| 00:00.05 | Dwonis | quiet: Nope, he's in a coma again, at the moment |
| 00:00.10 | quiet | d'oh |
| 00:00.12 | avont_ | stevie is that for me? |
| 00:00.19 | Stevie | I setup a page on freeshell -- but they only keep the last 24-48 hours worth of access/error logs |
| 00:00.19 | servjew | well, its cinelerra, its not finding some of the libs it needs. |
| 00:00.25 | settd | is there some console ftp client with some gui like interface? |
| 00:00.27 | submarineshaun | onc eive installed blackbox as my window manager, can I safly remove twm? |
| 00:00.50 | Breeder | where i can find some info about how to move linux to another hard drive? |
| 00:00.52 | avont_ | whats xdm/gdm, inknow gdm is gnome window manager, whats xdm |
| 00:00.59 | Dwonis | settd: ncftp is not full-screen, but it's nicer than regular ftp |
| 00:01.08 | submarineshaun | avont_: the default x display manager |
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| 00:01.20 | Dwonis | settd: it has tab completion and stuff |
| 00:01.25 | evilt0ne | hello all |
| 00:01.40 | Stevie | This will be my first ever crontab thingy |
| 00:01.43 | Stevie | howdy, evilt0ne |
| 00:01.56 | evilt0ne | hi Stevie |
| 00:02.26 | Stevie | man, it's dark in here |
| 00:02.45 | avont_ | can someone please help, i have my cd-rw drive in, but its not showing up iin my computer |
| 00:02.49 | avont_ | pleazse help, i want to burn cd's |
| 00:03.04 | submarineshaun | once i have blackbox installed, can i safly remove the twm window manager installed when i install 'x-window-system' |
| 00:03.04 | Dwonis | Stevie: "while true ; do echo -n '@' ; done" |
| 00:03.23 | quiet | avont_, install k3b ? |
| 00:04.00 | evilt0ne | can someone tell me a program which has no probs playing internetradio in konsole? |
| 00:04.14 | evilt0ne | i use mp3blaster |
| 00:04.15 | Dwonis | submarineshaun: probably |
| 00:04.32 | submarineshaun | thanks |
| 00:04.42 | submarineshaun | thats all i needed, some one to blame when it breaks :) |
| 00:04.52 | Dwonis | submarineshaun: #include <disclaimer.h> |
| 00:05.00 | submarineshaun | bummer... |
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| 00:06.04 | gnufan | !beer |
| 00:06.19 | Dwonis | gnufan: I think dpkg had a little too much already! |
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| 00:06.43 | gnufan | Dwonis: cheers, I was just checking, as he was ignoring me... |
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| 00:07.32 | edmundo__ | anyone knows how do I configure gdm to accept a login in ldap? |
| 00:07.40 | Dwonis | I guess this won't work, but: |
| 00:07.41 | Dwonis | !ops dpkg is in a coma again! |
| 00:07.54 | submarineshaun | "2 packages will be removed: twm, x-window-sysem": oops!, not what i wanted! |
| 00:08.13 | Dwonis | submarineshaun: x-window-system is just a dummy package, it's probably ok to delete it |
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| 00:08.28 | submarineshaun | wont remove all my X packages? |
| 00:08.36 | Dwonis | submarineshaun: if you want to be extra-careful, you can install "x-window-system-core" |
| 00:08.52 | Dwonis | submarineshaun: no, see: "dpkg -s x-window-system" |
| 00:08.55 | submarineshaun | I did |
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| 00:09.15 | submarineshaun | ill go ahead and do that apt-get remove, thanks |
| 00:09.40 | gnufan | edmundo__: google knows by the looks of it -- did you try the LDAP Authentication HOWTO |
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| 00:10.47 | nn-ds | my name will verry depending on the debian computername so the form at i use is nn-computername |
| 00:10.47 | Dwonis | edmundo__: You'd probably have to edit /etc/pam.d/gdm or /etc/pam.d/xdm or something |
| 00:10.58 | edmundo__ | gnufan, I configured openldap, nss, pam, samba, etc |
| 00:10.59 | whitehorse1 | Hi, when I run (on a VPS - sarge) chkrootkit, which I've just installed it warns of an infected port 465, a process hidden for ps and readdir command; plus, possible LKM trojan installed. Googling for ten mins only told me there -can- be false positives and most debian refs were to woody. Anyone familiar with the package/error? |
| 00:11.03 | Dwonis | edmundo__: It's a PAM thing, anyway. LDAP Authentication HOWTO is probably right |
| 00:11.13 | edmundo__ | ssh works |
| 00:11.28 | edmundo__ | but when I try login trough gdm it gives me an error |
| 00:11.40 | edmundo__ | as pam is configured in common-* |
| 00:11.48 | nn-ds | sshfs works best |
| 00:12.01 | edmundo__ | I though that it must work to all services |
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| 00:12.10 | edmundo__ | gdm includes that |
| 00:12.14 | Dwonis | edmundo__: Compare /etc/pam.d/ssh to /etc/pam.d/?dm. |
| 00:12.15 | nn-ds | althoe you have to use m-a to compile fuse for it |
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| 00:12.38 | edmundo__ | I didn't changed /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 00:12.39 | Dwonis | edmundo__: However, ssh sometimes has its own authentication mechanisms (especially Kerberos and publickey) in addition to PAM |
| 00:13.00 | nubreake | hi, what channel is for newbies like me? |
| 00:13.18 | Dwonis | edmundo__: I don't know specifically about LDAP, but the way to add authentication mechanisms for gdm is to configure PAM. |
| 00:13.30 | edmundo__ | I think it's not a problem with pam |
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| 00:13.42 | edmundo__ | but didn't find anything in google |
| 00:13.52 | Azar | whitehorse1: can you block port 465 and see what is happening further? |
| 00:13.58 | edmundo__ | in the logs says that couldn't set the group for the user |
| 00:13.59 | andre | hello |
| 00:14.01 | gnufan | edmundo__: what error does it give? |
| 00:14.08 | nn-ds | what is pam?? |
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| 00:14.26 | Dwonis | edmundo__: Did you look at this: http://ldots.org/ldap/ |
| 00:14.36 | edmundo__ | ... cannot set user group for usuarioxxx |
| 00:14.51 | Menthol | hi im about to download debian, is 3.1_r0 the right version to get? |
| 00:15.05 | _iViLe | ah |
| 00:15.07 | _iViLe | hooray |
| 00:15.23 | gnufan | edmundo__: hmm does the gid exist locally? |
| 00:15.52 | andre | i was on debian but i had a lot of problems configuring the xwindow |
| 00:16.06 | edmundo__ | its an account shared with samba |
| 00:16.14 | edmundo__ | has posix and samba attributes |
| 00:16.14 | Dwonis | Menthol: We're up to 3.1_r5, I think |
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| 00:16.23 | andre | have you guys had problems withthe x window system |
| 00:16.23 | edmundo__ | the user is part from Domain USers group |
| 00:16.27 | Dwonis | Menthol: or wait, ignore that |
| 00:16.40 | Azar | andre I did not have problems with X |
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| 00:17.03 | whitehorse1 | Azar: Will try that. Just started an apt-get install of 'tiger' so will block (iptable drop all type rule I imagine?) 465 when that's through. I do ssh thru to the VPS using putty on windows; not sure if that's related to the port 465 activity (I don't ssh on port 465 though). anyhow, will try blocking port 465 in a mo yep |
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| 00:17.39 | andre | it gave m e errors then it hung could not do anything |
| 00:17.50 | edmundo__ | anyway I'll play a little more with pam, perhaps its something missing |
| 00:17.52 | Azar | andre that depends on many things |
| 00:17.53 | Menthol | i saw 3.1_r5 and there were 7 isos for it i belive, 3.1_r0 has 15 |
| 00:17.59 | Dwonis | Menthol: 3.1r1 is the current stable version |
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| 00:18.23 | edmundo__ | I thoug I needed only change the common-* |
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| 00:18.32 | Dwonis | Menthol: 3.1_r5 doesn't exist. That's 3.0_r5, which is older |
| 00:18.45 | Menthol | ok |
| 00:18.50 | nn-ds | some one should make a list of what video cards go to what drivers in x |
| 00:19.18 | daeos | im trying to setup sqwebmail, which setting is the most secure? symlink , copy style, or custom setup? |
| 00:19.24 | andre | loaded the 2.6 kernal , I have an ati all in wonder 7500 with a 1.3 gig amd processor with tons of ram and lots of hard drive space |
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| 00:20.05 | mo1991 | someone told me there is a tivo like program that runs on linux (I realize actual tivo runs linux too) - Does anyone know what this program is? |
| 00:20.20 | Agrajag- | mythtv |
| 00:20.21 | siz | quick question -- redhat has the `chkconfig` script to automagically link /etc/init.d-style scripts to various runlevels for boot ... what's the debian equivilent? |
| 00:20.24 | Azar | andre depends what debian distro you used, what kernel 2.6.? and if the ati driver works with that kernel... |
| 00:20.42 | siz | ^equivilent^equivalent |
| 00:20.46 | andre | 3.1 sarge downloaded |
| 00:20.46 | Dwonis | mo1991: mythtv, or freevo |
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| 00:21.12 | loggygreg | siz: update-rc.d |
| 00:21.21 | Azar | andre you could ask in private dpkg about ati |
| 00:21.29 | Dwonis | Azar: no he can't |
| 00:21.32 | siz | thanks, loggygreg |
| 00:21.42 | Dwonis | Azar: dpkg is sleeping |
| 00:21.54 | Azar | andre.. one of these days then.. |
| 00:21.57 | Dwonis | !beer |
| 00:22.03 | andre | what is dpkg |
| 00:22.17 | mo1991 | Dwonis - how about digital cable tuners? |
| 00:22.26 | Azar | andre is a bot you ask it by doing /msg dpkg "yourtopic" |
| 00:23.03 | Agrajag- | mo1991: you might want to read the mythtv documentation, it will tell you a lot |
| 00:23.07 | andre | i really wanted to try debian but i anm not proficient with the terminal so i went to ubuntu |
| 00:23.15 | evilt0ne | can sombody please give me the name of a good shoutcast/icecast player which is kosole based? |
| 00:23.18 | Dwonis | mo1991: I don't know about digital cable tunders, but I know a lot of people have used the Hauppauge cards and a computer-controlled infrared remote control. |
| 00:23.25 | Azar | andre, if you use ati I guess ubuntu is easier for you |
| 00:23.32 | daeos | im trying to setup sqwebmail, which setting is the most secure? symlink , copy style, or custom setup? |
| 00:23.59 | andre | is another video card better and what do you recommend |
| 00:24.01 | mo1991 | Agrajag - I am reading it now - it looks like it can use detect and record digital cable but not sure |
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| 00:25.07 | nn-ds | my friend blew nis debian system bytrying to put in a processer |
| 00:25.09 | andre | azar how long have you been using and working with linux |
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| 00:26.24 | Cyorxamp | Hi I just install linux on my PC (that did run windoze)... In comparison linux seems to be running quite sluggishly - anything I can do to give it a bit of a kick? |
| 00:28.02 | nn-ds | use gome |
| 00:28.11 | nn-ds | or a shell onily |
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| 00:28.12 | Ronin | andre: umm not proficent in a term? so thats no excuse not to run debian |
| 00:28.32 | ganymed_ | hello |
| 00:28.33 | Cyorxamp | I am already using gnome |
| 00:28.33 | nn-ds | y its the best |
| 00:28.38 | Cyorxamp | it's as slow as fuck! |
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| 00:28.52 | jmp_me | yes. fluxbox is for the enlightened! |
| 00:28.58 | nn-ds | y it is on Relly slow computers |
| 00:29.06 | andre | what do you use ronin |
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| 00:29.15 | nn-ds | that dont have a celoron |
| 00:29.19 | nn-ds | or up |
| 00:29.20 | Ronin | andre: for what? |
| 00:29.31 | nn-ds | what is the processer speed |
| 00:29.35 | andre | os |
| 00:29.39 | siz | ok, so why doesn't `update-rc.d snort start 2345 stop 016` want to work ? ;) |
| 00:29.41 | Ronin | debian of course |
| 00:29.51 | Ronin | wouldn't be in here otherwise :) |
| 00:29.55 | andre | i cant get the x window system going |
| 00:30.15 | siz | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Update-rc.d <=-- referenced this, to no avail? |
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| 00:30.20 | andre | i thought you ran ubuntu |
| 00:30.22 | nn-ds | check to see what videodriver to use |
| 00:30.29 | andre | sorry |
| 00:30.34 | Azar | andre, not long only that I am use a moderate nVidia card so it was easy.. |
| 00:30.37 | Ronin | andre: if i did i wouldnt be in #debian id be in #ubuntu |
| 00:30.38 | jmp_me | Cyorxamp: fluxbox will speed it up.. or it's rather gnome that won't |
| 00:31.09 | ganymed_ | i am running fluxbox on an old 333 MHz with 32 MB graphics card. my aunts 266 MHz with 4MB gc is faster than mine... how come? |
| 00:31.30 | nn-ds | Cyorxamp, do you know how to use the shell |
| 00:31.39 | ganymed_ | how can i make apt accept a "broken" package (it is not really broken)? |
| 00:31.45 | andre | ok i am a newbie im trying to learn linux but i had a lot of problems getting the xwindow to run |
| 00:31.53 | Cyorxamp | nn-ds - yes |
| 00:31.58 | andre | it hangs |
| 00:31.59 | Cyorxamp | It runs Gnome |
| 00:32.11 | submarineshaun | andre: when? |
| 00:32.16 | abrotman | ganymed_: how much system RAM ? |
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| 00:32.59 | ganymed_ | in mine more than 320 MB i think. in the other 32MB (i am NOT kindding!) |
| 00:33.01 | Azar | andre, the first time I read the debian online manuals it say: when chosing hardware use moderation. The stable release will not quite work well with the "latest" hardware unless you are an expert and know how to fix things |
| 00:33.05 | andre | no the gnome gui starts but nothing happens after that |
| 00:33.05 | nn-ds | well start x using xinit then start twm & |
| 00:33.16 | nn-ds | that will rilly run fast |
| 00:33.17 | abrotman | ganymed_: and disk speed? caching? type? |
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| 00:33.38 | andre | so what version should i get |
| 00:33.59 | ganymed_ | abrotman: mine is faster in all disciplines, both bought at the same time, mine was upgraded several times, the other one not. |
| 00:34.01 | Azar | andre: ask the experts here |
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| 00:34.24 | abrotman | ganymed_: define "faster" |
| 00:34.29 | andre | i need help |
| 00:34.36 | ganymed_ | abrotman: especially using firefox sucks on the my box while it runs fine on win98 |
| 00:34.40 | Azar | andre what ati card are you using? full name/version |
| 00:35.00 | andre | ati all in wonder 7500 |
| 00:35.08 | ganymed_ | abrotman: well, usable (normal) on the win98, almost unusable on my box |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:35.22 | ganymed_ | dwonis: could be |
| 00:35.37 | Azar | andre so you would like to use Debian Sarge on a PC with an ati all in wonder 7500 |
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| 00:35.47 | ganymed_ | dwonis: haven't set up this box very much, just my router |
| 00:35.50 | andre | yes |
| 00:36.03 | quiet | grr... someone wake up dpkg |
| 00:36.20 | andre | should i use i older version azar |
| 00:36.23 | Ronin | whats the name of its backup? |
| 00:36.29 | liable | ~hi |
| 00:36.31 | apt | hello, liable |
| 00:36.32 | jilocasin | evening all |
| 00:36.37 | Azar | andre, I do not know, ask the experts here |
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| 00:36.48 | Ronin | apt it is |
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| 00:36.56 | Ronin | ~apt java |
| 00:36.58 | apt | from memory, java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the ... |
| 00:36.58 | jilocasin | can anyone tell me what application I need to do a secure file deletion with Etch/ext3? |
| 00:36.58 | nn-ds | Cyorxamp, did it work ?? |
| 00:36.59 | deeee | Hi everybody |
| 00:37.02 | andre | how do you ask the experts |
| 00:37.19 | Cyorxamp | nn-ds - Did what works!? |
| 00:37.33 | nn-ds | well start x using xinit then start twm & |
| 00:37.35 | Dwonis | Ronin: excellent |
| 00:37.36 | Azar | andre ask and wait: if no one answers, then it is not possible |
| 00:37.47 | String | anyone help with a dist-upgrade problem. running testing. Lots of errors about x11-common and xfree86-common conflicting and apt bombs out. cant remove or install either due to errors not apt wont work at all |
| 00:38.00 | quiet | apt doesn't know the import key string for testing-security |
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| 00:38.11 | andre | ok thanks |
| 00:38.20 | weasel00 | String : try running aptitude a few times.. it will sort it out.. i just ran into the same issues |
| 00:38.21 | liable | andre: we need the errors. |
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| 00:38.31 | andre | oops my wife wants the pc |
| 00:38.36 | andre | ok |
| 00:38.37 | String | apt-get -f install also bombs with same errors fwiw |
| 00:38.40 | daeos | Azar: i didn't get an answer =P doesn't mean its impossible haha |
| 00:38.47 | deeee | Trying to launch debian sarge 3.1 on old machine with vga card s3 pci unsuccessfully. using dpkg-reconfigure xserver xfree86 won´t work. help! :) |
| 00:38.53 | liable | ~2006 key |
| 00:38.55 | apt | 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can install the key as follow, explicitly trusting the keyserver with no verification -- gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export ... |
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| 00:39.07 | Azar | daeos maybe there is no answer there |
| 00:39.32 | String | aptitude doesnt appear to be on the box any more since i ran dist-upgrade |
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| 00:40.03 | liable | String: pay attention to what apt wants to remove when you do a dist-upgrade |
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| 00:40.18 | kergoth | ~$ urxvt -fn "xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=12" |
| 00:40.21 | kergoth | urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting. |
| 00:40.24 | kergoth | :( |
| 00:40.31 | daeos | wols_: which setup for sqwebmail should be most secure? symlink, copying the folder directly to the www folder or a custom setup? |
| 00:41.05 | kergoth | that -fn worked fine in previous versions of debian, and does work fine with current versions of ubuntu. bitstream vera sans mono works fine in other applications, just not in rxvt-unicode. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 00:43.54 | ganymed_ | where can i get recent debian version of imagemagick from? |
| 00:44.04 | liable | the repos? |
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| 00:49.34 | |main| | hi |
| 00:49.44 | |main| | i have a higher version of a certain lib installed |
| 00:49.52 | |main| | but apt-get keeps on wanting a lower version |
| 00:49.59 | |main| | as if its not seeing i have a better version installed |
| 00:50.02 | |main| | what do i do? |
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| 00:50.48 | liable | |main|: because *something* has a depends on the lower version |
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| 00:51.32 | jilocasin | can anyone tell me what application I need to do a secure file deletion with Etch/ext3? |
| 00:51.42 | |main| | liable: but what do i do? |
| 00:51.42 | Dwonis | close_to_debian: your old name was better ;P |
| 00:51.50 | |main| | can i fool apt-get in installing anyway? |
| 00:51.50 | MasterOfMagic | jilocasin: A hammer usually works. |
| 00:51.55 | |main| | im certain it should be ok.. |
| 00:52.05 | debian | !test |
| 00:52.17 | liable | |main|: well apt thinks otherwise. downgrade it with dpkg |
| 00:52.21 | weasel00 | whats the name of the first wireless interface? akin to eth0? |
| 00:52.22 | liable | debian: dpkg is dead |
| 00:52.36 | close_to_debian | Dwonis: Thanks but i like this better |
| 00:52.36 | debian | :~( |
| 00:52.38 | liable | weasel00: could be eth0, wlan0, ath0, eth2 ... |
| 00:52.39 | jilocasin | MasterOFMagic: yea, but it's hard to use it after that. Under Win2k I use Eraser religiously. I can't trust a machine that doesn't let you securely delete your old files. |
| 00:52.43 | whitehorse1 | Azar: continuing with the reported chkrootkit (infected ports: 464 and a process hidden for readdir & ps command w/possible LKM tojan installed...). I added a drop rule to iptables for tcp on 465. Before, lsof -i :465 reported [xinetd 5917 root 10u IPv4 10607266 TCP * :ssmtp (LISTEN)] was running on that port. I killed PID 4917 and now nmap localhost returns 465/tcp as filtered rather than open. Just ran chkrootkit again |
| 00:52.48 | liable | debian: apt is alive |
| 00:52.56 | |main| | how do u downgrade with apt? |
| 00:52.56 | weasel00 | liable : there isnt really a standard then? |
| 00:52.57 | close_to_debian | Dwonis: Thanks but i like this |
| 00:53.04 | Dwonis | jilocasin: Your best bet is to use an encrypted filesystem in the first place. Modern journalling filesystems aren't very good at *really* erasing your data (except when you're trying to recover something important) |
| 00:53.04 | liable | weasel00: nope |
| 00:53.20 | weasel00 | liable : thank you |
| 00:53.22 | whitehorse1 | oops. port 465 not 464 |
| 00:53.32 | ganymed_ | sorry, was away... |
| 00:53.34 | liable | weasel00: iwconfig will tell you which is the wireless iface |
| 00:53.35 | ganymed_ | where can i get recent debian version of imagemagick from? |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 00:53.59 | weasel00 | liable : oh cool.. =) |
| 00:54.01 | avont_ | ok |
| 00:54.03 | avont_ | im here |
| 00:54.09 | whitehorse1 | ganymed: debian repositories, sourceforge/project's CVS/SVN I guess. |
| 00:54.16 | jilocasin | Dwonis: seems like overkill when you just want to actually 'delete' a file. Windows can manage it, MacOS can manage it, are you telling me that Linux can't? |
| 00:54.23 | avont_ | how do i get my computer to recognize my cd burner, or how do i enableitr |
| 00:54.36 | weasel00 | liable : is iwconfig part of the madwifi pkg? |
| 00:54.42 | liable | ganymed_: newer than in the repo?? |
| 00:54.44 | Dwonis | jilocasin: I'm telling you that I wouldn't trust Windows or MacOS to do a good job of it, either |
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| 00:54.55 | ganymed_ | whitehorse: have tried this. only rpms and tarballs... alien doesn't work either |
| 00:55.00 | blafd | what is the program to rerun the configration of X? |
| 00:55.06 | liable | weasel00: no, wireless-tools. if you have an atheros card, then your iface will be ath0 |
| 00:55.15 | avont_ | anyone? please help |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | !drxx blafd |
| 00:55.40 | abrotman | ffs |
| 00:55.42 | liable | avont_: it should be recognised. |
| 00:55.48 | jilocasin | Dwonis: a good file system shouldn't 'loose' files accidentally, but should let you destroy files purposely. |
| 00:55.50 | Dwonis | jilocasin: The "wipe" package is probably what you want |
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| 00:55.57 | abrotman | blafd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:56.00 | ganymed_ | liable: what repo are you talking about? i need the newest, if possible |
| 00:56.09 | whitehorse1 | Anyone else familiar with chkrootkit under sarge and able to determine whether its a false positive or whether I should adopt a sad face, do feel free to chime in. |
| 00:56.15 | avont_ | liable: i don't think it is, the drive icon is not in my computer |
| 00:56.23 | Dwonis | jilocasin: but honestly, if overwriting a file with zeros isn't good enough for you, then you shouldn't really trust these "secure deletion" tools on _any_ OS. |
| 00:56.29 | blafd | ta |
| 00:56.42 | liable | ganymed_: um, the repository where you download all your packagesss... if you need the newest, try a tarball install or get it from sid |
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| 00:56.57 | abrotman | liable: that wasn't a good idea |
| 00:57.04 | ganymed_ | liable: thx |
| 00:57.14 | whitehorse1 | Google didn't help apart from to indicate false positives can happen on occasion and some references to Woody. |
| 00:57.16 | liable | abrotman: why why why?? |
| 00:57.25 | daeos | abrotman: i had a good question here, which setup for sqwebmail should be most secure? symlink, copying the folder directly to the www folder or a custom setup? |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | liable: because he's going to mix systems .. and end up broken |
| 00:57.32 | daeos | have* |
| 00:57.55 | abrotman | daeos: an apache alias? |
| 00:58.07 | liable | abrotman: yes, it does seem to have quite a few depends.. :) |
| 00:58.21 | Azar | whitehorse1: port 465: tcp urd URL rendesvous directory for SSM / udp igmpv3lite IGMP over UDP for SSM |
| 00:58.24 | liable | abrotman: but he asked how! |
| 00:59.07 | liable | ganymed_: you do realise getting shit from sid repos is a good way to break your system?? |
| 00:59.11 | jilocasin | Dwonis: minimum 7 pass Guttmann usually on individual files, weekly wipe of all free space on the drive with US DoD 5220-22.M |
| 00:59.27 | liable | there.. standard warning.. |
| 00:59.39 | jilocasin | Dwonis: to catch things like logs and web cashe that I didn't explicitly delete |
| 00:59.43 | Azar | whitehorse1: also on tcp/udp same port is used by smtps: smtp protocol over TLS/SSL |
| 00:59.47 | Dwonis | jilocasin: It isn't entirely the filesystem's fault, either. Modern drives will sometimes remap sectors, making the old data inaccessible to the operating system |
| 00:59.53 | whitehorse1 | Azar Hmm, nmap claimed smtps was the service on port 465 on here |
| 00:59.57 | whitehorse1 | ah, yep |
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| 01:00.14 | ganymed_ | liable: i know. but imagemagick might already be broken. are those things in sid unstable versions of the progs or just unstable deb version of stable progs? |
| 01:00.25 | jilocasin | Dwonis: true, but that's no reason not to practice good digital hygiene |
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| 01:00.44 | abrotman | ganymed_: if you don't know .. PLEASE don't use it |
| 01:00.50 | whitehorse1 | azar so... how might I determine if chkrootkit's messages of doom were valid? |
| 01:01.15 | deeee | Trying to launch debian sarge 3.1 on old machine with vga card s3 pci unsuccessfully. using dpkg-reconfigure xserver xfree86 won´t work. Knoppix runs fine on box 1 but not box 2. any help? |
| 01:01.41 | abrotman | deeee: it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. notice the dash .. also .. S3 sucks .. find somehting else if you can |
| 01:01.42 | ganymed_ | abrotman: don't worry, i won't get on your nerves with my-system-does-not-work-please-help-me-questions :) |
| 01:01.50 | liable | ganymed_: get the tarball, then you can put it in /local and it wont fuck with your system (if it builds with your libs) |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | ganymed_: no . you'll just bother everyone else :) |
| 01:02.07 | jilocasin | Dwonis: nope, wipe doesn't work with journaled FS either |
| 01:02.10 | Dwonis | jilocasin: It ultimately depends on who your adversary is, and what sort of attacks s/he can mount. |
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| 01:02.33 | whitehorse1 | chkrootkit -x lkm does report what's happening on those PIDs not in readdir/ps output. basically bind/named and... sbin/init :/ |
| 01:02.37 | deeee | abrotman: knoppix deals fine with box 1 |
| 01:02.44 | abrotman | jilocasin: dban.sf.net |
| 01:02.47 | Dwonis | jilocasin: like I said, if zeroing the sectors isn't enough for you, then I wouldn't put much faith in any of these tools |
| 01:02.57 | abrotman | deeee: i understand that .. but S3 cards are really bad .. what does your X log say? |
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| 01:03.11 | ganymed_ | but can u answer my question anyway, i would like to know |
| 01:03.14 | ganymed_ | liable: i know. but imagemagick might already be broken. are those things in sid unstable versions of the progs or just unstable deb version of stable progs? |
| 01:03.24 | th0ger | If i compile a package from source, should i then make a .deb pagkage, so my apt/dpkg system wont break??? |
| 01:03.51 | deeee | abrotman: "Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices |
| 01:03.54 | whitehorse1 | ganymed_ the former. |
| 01:04.00 | jilocasin | Dwonis: local law enforcement, city level government, medium sized corp. Overwriting with zero's is just too easy to recover, multipass pseudorandom numbers at least. |
| 01:04.02 | liable | ganymed_: can be both |
| 01:04.29 | liable | ganymed_: why do you think its broken?? just remove the debian one, and install the tarball |
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| 01:04.54 | jilocasin | abrotman: nice when I want to finally kill all the data, but when I retire a hard drive I usually use a 20lb sledge hammer. ;) |
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| 01:05.20 | eeyore- | jilocasin: set up a loopback device, fill the remaining free space, put dm-crypt + aes on it, and fill it with zero's (should in turn get encrypted) |
| 01:05.34 | deeee | Hei abrotman, thanks man. I think i´ll have to study more. :) |
| 01:05.36 | eeyore- | jilocasin: that ought to stop many entities :-) |
| 01:05.43 | whitehorse1 | jilocasin recoverable by companie like ontrack still (at great cost of course) |
| 01:05.45 | Dwonis | jilocasin: You can't guarantee that you're ever writing over all the same physical areas. Also, don't forget about your swap space |
| 01:05.54 | abrotman | jilocasin: that's not good enough |
| 01:05.57 | th0ger | A FAQ! If i compile a package from source, should i then make a .deb pagkage, so my apt/dpkg system wont break??? |
| 01:06.04 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: there's a difference being able to recover it and being able to decrypt it |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | th0ger: you can .. |
| 01:06.11 | Faithful | how do I send a message to a user on a different console? |
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| 01:06.17 | abrotman | th0ger: or use stow or checkinstall |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | Faithful: write |
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| 01:06.27 | jilocasin | eeyore: That seems to be the concensous. Use an encrypted partition. spot deletion doesn't seem to exist in linux... |
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| 01:06.35 | whitehorse1 | jilocasin a blowtorch directly onto the disk platter itself is more suitable |
| 01:06.37 | daeos | abrotman: alias? not sure i follow, you mean like a /~folder type of location? |
| 01:06.40 | LittleEndian | anyone with xp on postfix-ldap? |
| 01:06.51 | Dwonis | jilocasin: The best thing to do is to encrypt (with something strong, that uses AES-CTR-256 mode, for example), and then all you have to do to "delete" the files is to wipe out the key (which you WON'T have on the hard disk itself) |
| 01:06.58 | abrotman | daeos: an apache alias |
| 01:07.06 | abrotman | LittleEndian: #ldap ? |
| 01:07.22 | eeyore- | the new EPIA's have "padlock" support. this thing is seriously addicting :-) fast AES in hardware |
| 01:07.29 | ganymed_ | liable: convert doesn't work with large amounts of pics... it says: pixel cache not open. some pics have 0 bytes, others have black horizontal stripes. it works with a smaller amount of pics, though |
| 01:07.54 | eeyore- | we got the new EPIA SP board, and padlock driver supports AES (it shows up in /proc/crypto as aes, at priority 300, just above aes-i586) |
| 01:08.00 | jilocasin | well, I'm rather new to Linux, Dos, Win everything, VMS. how would I go about it in Linux? Running Deb Testing here. |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | about what? |
| 01:08.20 | Dwonis | ganymed_: for f in *.jpg ; do convert "$f" "`basename "$f" .jpg`".png ; done |
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| 01:08.30 | liable | ganymed_: no info on google irt that? |
| 01:08.31 | Dwonis | ganymed_: converts all jpg files to png in the current directory, for example |
| 01:08.32 | jilocasin | Dwonis: The trick though is to wipe out a file without trashing the entire filesystem, hard drive |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | man shred ? |
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| 01:08.45 | LittleEndian | abrotman, it runs chrooted by default and causes pain |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | ok .. #ldap ? |
| 01:09.16 | Dwonis | abrotman: apparently shred isn't anywhere near strong enough for what he wants |
| 01:09.26 | ganymed_ | liable: have had a look. originally, i did not want to reinstall |
| 01:09.27 | sanxiyn | Dwonis: Too bad. |
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| 01:09.34 | LittleEndian | ty abrotman |
| 01:09.35 | eeyore- | nearly all of my machines now have encrypted swaps :-) |
| 01:09.37 | abrotman | Dwonis: why not .. it has iterations |
| 01:09.41 | jilocasin | Ronin: perhaps ;> but when I say delete, a mean delete dam it, not use the back side of the page to continue writing :) |
| 01:09.45 | ganymed_ | dwonis: the command i use is: convert * -resize x500 -quality 80 -strip picture_5.jpg |
| 01:09.47 | Dwonis | abrotman: journalling screws it up |
| 01:09.49 | abrotman | Dwonis: and the default is 25 |
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| 01:09.56 | abrotman | Dwonis: call sync before you do it ? |
| 01:10.00 | daeos | abrotman: never setup an alias, guess i'll go read up on one, im just stuck at the webmail install (dpkg setup) and it asks me to choose from those 3 settings |
| 01:10.06 | jilocasin | abrotman: shred, on it's own page says that it doesn't work with journaled file systems |
| 01:10.09 | abrotman | what three settings? |
| 01:10.27 | mada | i am curious what the rest of the debian community thinks about the powerpc development of debian, will it die off now that the mac-tel craze is in full swing or will it be maintained? |
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| 01:10.40 | abrotman | jilocasin: are you hiding your porn from your mom ? |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | mada: ask #debianppc |
| 01:10.52 | eeyore- | mada: the whole mac thing is all about periodic fads |
| 01:10.54 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Uh-oh. |
| 01:10.55 | Dwonis | abrotman, jilocasin: I *think* you could use shred, assuming you're not using "data=journal". |
| 01:10.57 | LittleEndian | lolz@abrotman |
| 01:10.59 | mada | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 01:11.00 | eeyore- | mada: "our ppc is supercomputer-level" |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | sanxiyn: ? |
| 01:11.07 | jilocasin | abrotman: nope, haven't seen here in years (perhaps she's still alive, wouldn't know) |
| 01:11.08 | liable | ganymed_: http://www.archivesat.com/?a=search&q=pixel+cache+not+open&tag=240 ?? |
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| 01:11.15 | unity | reiserfs will give me faster read/write speed to disk? |
| 01:11.16 | eeyore- | mada: and then "hey, guess what, our *intel* is now faster than our ppc" |
| 01:11.20 | Dwonis | jilocasin: frankly, if you don't know the answer yourself, you probably aren't capable of securing a box to the level that you want anyway |
| 01:11.22 | unity | compared to ext3 and 2? |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:11.32 | abrotman | ack! |
| 01:11.36 | abrotman | unity: moment |
| 01:11.40 | Dwonis | ~apt fs comparison |
| 01:11.50 | LittleEndian | the #ldap channel is a graveyard like I thought it to be |
| 01:12.00 | ne0futur | why not use ext3 ? |
| 01:12.08 | eeyore- | unity: reiserfs will also help you along your way to the insane asylum |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | unity: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 01:12.10 | unity | LittleEndian, "like i thought it was" |
| 01:12.20 | eeyore- | unity: try not to put anything important on your reiserfs partitions |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | stew: can you set your DB look up to do an rtrim/ltrim ? |
| 01:12.22 | ne0futur | and cant see why using another fs |
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| 01:12.38 | nn-ds | i hate ext2 but like ext3 ext2 is to slow |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | eeyore-: there is no try ... |
| 01:12.42 | stew | abrotman: dpkg.vireo.org? |
| 01:12.43 | LittleEndian | unity, subtle difference in the the tense |
| 01:12.47 | Dwonis | does reiserfs still have the problem where data that's getting written to your logs can end up inside other files when the system crashes? |
| 01:12.49 | unity | eeyore-, gonna install linux to it; all my home stuff goes to ext3 |
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| 01:12.50 | abrotman | nn-ds: maybe you should double check the link i just gave unity |
| 01:13.05 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. " filesystem comparison" does not work while "filesystem comparison" does |
| 01:13.13 | stew | abrotman: sure |
| 01:13.17 | jilocasin | Dwonis:perhaps, but I shred my paper, and I use a secure deletion utility in Windows, I don't like not being able to actually delete a file. The options I'm hearing here shred/wipe themselves say that they aren't applicable if you are running anything more advanced than ext2 or fat. |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | ~beer stew |
| 01:13.21 | apt | ACTION pours a quart of Yuengling Lager for stew |
| 01:13.26 | unity | LittleEndian, you are using the subjuctive, which should be used when describing something contrary to fact |
| 01:13.34 | th0ger | abrotman: so checkinstall sounds nice. i actually makes the debian package automatically and installs it? |
| 01:13.34 | ne0futur | ~beer abrotman |
| 01:13.36 | apt | ACTION pulls out a exquisite Dogfishhead 90min IPA for abrotman |
| 01:13.39 | ne0futur | ~beer nevyn |
| 01:13.41 | apt | ACTION pulls out a exquisite Guinness for nevyn |
| 01:13.43 | stew | abrotman: doh, looks like the wife broke the mod_rewrite too |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | stew: let's trade! |
| 01:13.44 | ne0futur | ~beer ne0futur |
| 01:13.46 | apt | ACTION deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for ne0futur |
| 01:13.51 | ne0futur | hum |
| 01:13.53 | abrotman | stew: want i should kill her? :) |
| 01:13.53 | ne0futur | chhers ;) |
| 01:13.54 | stew | abrotman: good trade |
| 01:13.56 | stew | abrotman: no |
| 01:13.57 | nn-ds | ds is to slow |
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| 01:14.02 | ne0futur | and long life to debian |
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| 01:14.08 | stew | abrotman: don't distract her, i need her to finish our taxes first |
| 01:14.14 | abrotman | stew: send them to my mom :) |
| 01:14.18 | eeyore- | oh god, taxes |
| 01:14.18 | Dwonis | jilocasin: I think those tools work as well on NTFS as shred/wipe work on ext3. I think the only difference is that the Linux tools *tell* you that. |
| 01:14.18 | LittleEndian | jesus unity :) |
| 01:14.21 | nn-ds | if i were on a nother cp i would |
| 01:14.39 | Dwonis | jilocasin: i.e. if I needed strong deletion, I wouldn't trust the windows "secure deletion" tools. |
| 01:14.44 | cmatheson | i need to know when a file is added to a subdirectory... inotify seems perfect for this, but can i use inotify in a shell script somehow? |
| 01:14.51 | eeyore- | jilocasin: what's wrong with using a hammer? |
| 01:14.51 | ne0futur | and apt knows my taste , this Spaten Pils is perfect for me |
| 01:14.59 | eeyore- | preferably a BFH |
| 01:15.08 | eeyore- | then microwave the platter |
| 01:15.13 | Dwonis | eeyore-, you know how to delete *only certain files* with a microwave? |
| 01:15.15 | abrotman | incinerator! |
| 01:15.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm with you |
| 01:15.42 | jmp_me | cmatheson: if inotify takes command-line i/o |
| 01:15.49 | whitehorse1 | is it likely the chkrootkit query probably outside the scope of the channel and more for the debian security user list ? |
| 01:15.55 | jilocasin | eeyore: it's hard to use the computer after that. For example, I've just finished preparing my taxes, printed out 2 copies, copied the digital file to removable media, nuked the digital files on the hard drive. |
| 01:16.07 | cmatheson | jmp_me: does it take command line i/o? |
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| 01:16.12 | abrotman | whitehorse1: i think the man page or the /usr/share/doc/chkrootkit/* lists the false positives |
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| 01:16.21 | jilocasin | eeyore: if I'm going ot use Linux full time, I'ld like that ability in linux. |
| 01:16.23 | eeyore- | jilocasin: why not set up loopback partition for your important stuff |
| 01:16.30 | daeos | abrotman: symlink, copy, custom |
| 01:16.47 | jmp_me | cmatheson: man inotify should tell you |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | daeos: custom ? |
| 01:16.55 | Dwonis | jilocasin: I think those tools are giving you a false sense of security on Windows, and the people here are concerned about _real_ security. |
| 01:16.59 | ganymed_ | liable: so far i cannot find my specific problem there... |
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| 01:17.10 | Dwonis | jilocasin: hence the "paranoia" comment earlier |
| 01:17.14 | eeyore- | Dwonis: don't think he's listening |
| 01:17.31 | jilocasin | Dwonis/eeyore: actually I am. |
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| 01:18.03 | eeyore- | jilocasin: so why not employ encryption? |
| 01:18.04 | cmatheson | jmp_me: it doesn't have a man-page... it's a kernel subsystem |
| 01:18.07 | Dwonis | jilocasin: Well, you have our answer: Use either rm, shred/wipe, or some encrypted filesystem. |
| 01:18.15 | whitehorse1 | abrotman thanks I'll walk over the the doc directory for a look now. the man page was just an intro page pretty much. |
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| 01:18.41 | jilocasin | Dwonis/eeyore: I am trying to find a solution, but there doesn't seem to be one. The answers I'm hearing are; 1. Use tools that the authors say don't work. 2. Encrypt/destroy the entire drive/partition. 3. You must be parinoid. |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | Dwonis: oh oh .. i know .. use ntfs . the data will disappear sooner or later :) |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | 4. and a poor speller |
| 01:19.33 | eeyore- | jilocasin: i don't know what you're getting at ... "encrypt/destroy the entire drive/partition"? |
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| 01:19.42 | jilocasin | abrotman: I can't spell, American english (that bastard mangled language) is my native tounge.. ;> |
| 01:19.48 | Dwonis | abrotman: eh? does it do that? I thought they fixed that on W2K. |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | he could of course mount it sync . which would offset the journalling .. but allow shred to work |
| 01:19.53 | vinay | looking for a super-tiny imap server to basically give me an IMAP interface to "local" Maildir/ (so i can use multiple mail clients) |
| 01:19.55 | eeyore- | jilocasin: but, ok. if you want to think that there's no solution that's ok with me. over and out :-) good luck. |
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| 01:20.36 | eeyore- | stuff like this bugs me -> http://www.lc-tech.com/software/fusdetail.html |
| 01:20.41 | abrotman | jilocasin: based on your hostmask .. you probably learned english from "Bert & I" and therefore .. i can't fault your spelling abilities |
| 01:20.46 | jilocasin | eeyore: is there a filesystem that you can selectively tell it NOT to journal a particular file? |
| 01:20.59 | sanxiyn | vinay: Tell me that if you found one... |
| 01:21.06 | eeyore- | and -> http://www.guidancesoftware.com/lawenforcement/ef_PRO_SUITE.asp |
| 01:21.08 | sanxiyn | Not sure such beast exists. |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | jilocasin: you can mount it sync .. which offsets journaling |
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| 01:21.53 | jmp_me | cmatheson: how do you get outputs from inotify. |
| 01:22.26 | jilocasin | abrotman: you would think "overwrite the sectors of the harddrive where this file is stored with gibberish before marking them as free" wouldn't be so difficult.arddrive |
| 01:22.28 | vinay | sanxiyn: there are lots of imap servers that will do Maildir/ .. but i just want something tiny :-) |
| 01:22.30 | gnufan | cmatheson: there is a daemon to use |
| 01:22.46 | sanxiyn | vinay: Me too. |
| 01:22.57 | gnufan | cmatheson: maybe dnotify? |
| 01:23.03 | sanxiyn | I think the problem is that IMAP isn't tiny itself :( |
| 01:23.04 | abrotman | dovecot? courier? |
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| 01:23.42 | vinay | abrotman: hmmm |
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| 01:24.14 | eeyore- | pop3 is tiny :-) not imap |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: you're so smart |
| 01:24.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: hey! |
| 01:24.51 | stew | abrotman: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=+fs+comparison&term=key |
| 01:24.52 | eeyore- | abrotman: no prozac for you |
| 01:25.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | dead |
| 01:25.22 | thingfish | prozac is kind of second generation now. |
| 01:25.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.6' returned no results. |
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| 01:25.27 | abrotman | hey! |
| 01:25.30 | abrotman | that's not fair! |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | ~beer stew |
| 01:26.02 | apt | ACTION pulls out a fine Jever for stew |
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| 01:26.13 | fas3r_ | hi all |
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| 01:26.21 | jmp_me | yo yo yo |
| 01:26.24 | thingfish | on the other hand, beer works *fine* for depression! |
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| 01:26.29 | jetscreamer | ok who killed the bot |
| 01:26.29 | abrotman | dpkg: i love you |
| 01:26.30 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
| 01:26.34 | thingfish | tsk |
| 01:26.37 | Dwonis | yay! |
| 01:26.37 | thingfish | that bitch |
| 01:26.37 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 01:26.40 | NinjaVee | I know, this is gonna sound excedingly noobish, but i need help installing a mouse ._. |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: probably its owner? |
| 01:26.41 | gnufan | !beer abrotman |
| 01:26.52 | abrotman | NinjaVee: you newb! |
| 01:26.55 | ganymed_ | ciao |
| 01:27.02 | daeos | abrotman: not doing anything in a ssh kicked me off during a software install, how can i get it out of /var/cache/apt/archives/lock ? |
| 01:27.04 | Dwonis | !beer dondelcaro |
| 01:27.06 | NinjaVee | abrotman: Nintendo Intellimouse with USB Bluetooth Transceiver |
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| 01:27.07 | jilocasin | Dwonis: I'm reading more on Ext3. I can see what you mean by overwriting with zeros. Apparently that's what Ext3 does on delete. |
| 01:27.07 | hedpe | how do you specify TCPDUMP to capture in promiscuous mode on a wireless interface? by default its not being set into promiscious mode by tcpdump |
| 01:27.12 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: thanks, looks like the bind/named is a false pos of chkrootkit. not sure of the /sbin/init thing yet. |
| 01:27.15 | abrotman | daeos: rm ? |
| 01:27.15 | unity | yay dpkg woke up |
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| 01:27.23 | weasel00 | *cheers dondecarlo for fixing dpkg! |
| 01:27.23 | daeos | so it is a file then? |
| 01:27.33 | abrotman | should be |
| 01:27.35 | Dwonis | jilocasin: I doubt it overwrites the entire file contents with zeros by default |
| 01:27.47 | Dwonis | jilocasin: most likely, it's some part of the metadata |
| 01:28.07 | NinjaVee | can anyone help me install a Microsoft Wireless Intellimouse with USB Transciver? |
| 01:28.19 | jilocasin | Dwonis: how do I tell, in Debian, what type of Ext3 I am running? |
| 01:28.19 | unity | if i have alsa working, should i be able to see it as a process running? |
| 01:28.20 | stew | abrotman: and now dpkg.vireo.org/foo goes directly to a factoid and d.v.o/q/foo goes directly to a query |
| 01:28.27 | thingfish | dondelelcaro's nick is irritating because you really don't know how to pronounce it. :/ |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 01:28.36 | thingfish | I mean, he's a great op, but... |
| 01:28.46 | stew | thingfish: you don't pronounce it, you just tab complete it |
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| 01:28.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:28.52 | thingfish | amen |
| 01:28.52 | Dwonis | jilocasin: what type of ext3? |
| 01:29.06 | jilocasin | Dwonis: exactly.. ;) |
| 01:29.09 | gnufan | jilocasin: look at the options in "mount" or "/etc/fstab" |
| 01:29.10 | abrotman | !meaning of dondelelcaro |
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| 01:29.10 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is a conjuction of don=don del=delphi elcaro=oracle. Figure it out. |
| 01:29.12 | daeos | abrotman: still gave me an error about "Could not get lock" |
| 01:29.25 | fas3r_ | when you wnat to connect on webmin .. we go in firefox or other and launch url http://localhost:5000 (for example) ... if i want to create my webmin it's necessary i install all apache,mysql and php package ....? |
| 01:29.29 | thingfish | tsk amazing. who would've ever thought... |
| 01:29.34 | abrotman | the bot? |
| 01:29.50 | thingfish | now that I know, it's somehow anticlimactic. |
| 01:29.52 | daeos | apt |
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| 01:29.58 | Dwonis | hmm... so speaking of encryption and stuff... is dondelelcaro a random oracle? |
| 01:29.59 | gnufan | fas3r_: webmin has a webserver in perl built in |
| 01:30.08 | NinjaVee | [AMSG] Gonna try simply rebooting |
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| 01:30.35 | jilocasin | gnufan: all it says (mount that is) is type ext3 |
| 01:30.36 | gnufan | fas3r_: trust the dependencies - life is simpler that way - even when they are wrong |
| 01:30.44 | daeos | how can i switch to pts/0 from /2 ? via ssh ? |
| 01:31.22 | Dwonis | daeos: huh? why would you want to do that? |
| 01:31.26 | gnufan | jilocasin: srw@derek:~$ mount |
| 01:31.26 | gnufan | /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 01:31.57 | jilocasin | gnufan: /dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 01:32.15 | daeos | Dwonis: lost my connection so my /0 is stuck logged in and trying to configure a package |
| 01:32.15 | gnufan | jilocasin: I think if you have options they would show up... experiment on a less vital filesystem ;) |
| 01:32.46 | fas3r_ | gnufan, because i have make an interface for configure my firewall and i want to shared it .. it's in php,sh and C ... but i don't think it's a good idea just i copy my /var/www/interface ... |
| 01:33.02 | jilocasin | gnufan: that's what mount returns for my / partition. It's pretty much the same for the other ext3 partitions. |
| 01:33.16 | eeyore- | daeos: why not just kill it and restart dselect? |
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| 01:33.38 | jilocasin | gnufan: since I just used the installer default, I thought that someone must have documented it somewhere... |
| 01:33.41 | Dwonis | daeos: ah... the best thing to do would be to kill the sshd process that holds that connection and run "dpkg --configure -a" or something |
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| 01:33.42 | thingfish | dselect? oh gawd. |
| 01:33.50 | Dwonis | eeyore-: dselect... what thingfish said |
| 01:34.02 | daeos | dselect... |
| 01:34.03 | eeyore- | don't be a wuss. dselect is fine :-) |
| 01:34.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:34.10 | daeos | wth is that? |
| 01:34.11 | jilocasin | I've an awful lot to learn about Debian Gnu/Linux..... |
| 01:34.18 | eeyore- | how can you dweebian guys not like dselect? |
| 01:34.23 | Dwonis | the only thing I like about dselect is its interface... and aptitude has gotten close enough |
| 01:34.28 | thingfish | aptitude all the way, baby! |
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| 01:34.42 | attabui | jilocasin: don't feel bad, many, many people fall into that category |
| 01:34.47 | abrotman | thingfish: wget and dpkg !! |
| 01:34.55 | thingfish | abrotman: hiss |
| 01:35.02 | gnufan | jilocasin: I think you get what you see, rw with ro on errors. We like these OSes that tell us what they are doing, why document it further? When / goes read-only -- that sucks -- trustme on that and hope it never happens -- if RAID array at work <sigh> |
| 01:35.03 | Dwonis | jilocasin: data=ordered is the default |
| 01:35.08 | stew | can aptitude restore your /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
| 01:35.18 | Dwonis | jilocasin: it's in the manpage for mount, I think |
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| 01:35.26 | gnufan | jilocasin: s/if/iffy/ |
| 01:35.33 | jilocasin | Dwonis: thanks that was what I was looking for. |
| 01:35.33 | daeos | so how would i do that ? >.< |
| 01:35.35 | Dwonis | jilocasin: if you want other details, you can run "dumpe2fs -h /dev/hda1" or whatever |
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| 01:35.39 | zethreth | Where would I set the seek speed of my cursor. |
| 01:36.01 | NovaScorpio | Hey, does anyone know if there's a way to figure out *why* the update-notifier wants you to reboot? |
| 01:36.08 | eeyore- | stew: your /var/lib/dpkg/available goes bad often? :-) |
| 01:36.18 | abrotman | NovaScorpio: the what? |
| 01:36.24 | stew | eeyore-: no, its just the one thing i know for sure i would use dselect for |
| 01:36.25 | eeyore- | stew: i've had it get screwed up maybe two or three times over the years |
| 01:36.29 | NovaScorpio | update-notifier, it was in the unstable package |
| 01:36.33 | Dwonis | stew: I don't know about aptitude, but there's a command... hold on |
| 01:36.38 | unity | when installing an hp-laserjet 1200 should i use postscript? |
| 01:36.41 | NovaScorpio | Every once in a while i'll dist-upgrade and it'll pop up in gnome and tell me to reboot |
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| 01:36.58 | Dwonis | stew: I think this works; apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 01:37.03 | FliesLikeALap | what command can I use to see how fast this network drop is ?(I'm on a laptop and think it is 100mbit but want to check) |
| 01:37.10 | gnufan | zethreth: seek speed, this a database cursor, or a screen cursor? |
| 01:37.14 | abrotman | NovaScorpio: nothing in the docs ? |
| 01:37.24 | pallav_ | when i tried to install kde using this command - "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/ |
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| 01:37.28 | eeyore- | FliesLikeALap: samba project has source/sink you can use to test your bandwidth |
| 01:37.32 | jilocasin | Thanks alot everyone.... perhaps I'll see you again sometime. |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | pallav_: wrong channel |
| 01:37.48 | FliesLikeALap | eeyore- I don't want to test my bandwidth, I just want to see how fast this network port is |
| 01:37.56 | NovaScorpio | Well, I figured out that it's touching a file in /var/run/ and there *used* to be a place for it in /var/lib/.... but no, I haven't found anything as to describing why the notifier wants you to update. |
| 01:37.57 | zethreth | In Xterm, it seems like it's slower then a snell now. |
| 01:37.59 | FliesLikeALap | whether its 10mbit or 100mbit |
| 01:38.00 | Dwonis | !tell pallav_ about ubuntu |
| 01:38.02 | NovaScorpio | I guess I'll just ignore it from now on... |
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| 01:38.14 | stew | Dwonis: aha, now i never need dselect again! :) |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | NovaScorpio: can't you see what got updated ? |
| 01:38.20 | eeyore- | FliesLikeALap: if you want to know the link characteristics, "mii-tools" |
| 01:38.23 | pallav_ | i tried asking ppl in ubuntu no one seems to answer the question :( |
| 01:38.25 | stoned | is it possible to use exim4 to make it work with smtp/pop from gmail? |
| 01:38.29 | Dwonis | stew: what do you need the available file for? grep? |
| 01:38.30 | NovaScorpio | abrotman: yeah, but none of that stuff, to me, is something I would think to reboot for. |
| 01:38.35 | FliesLikeALap | ah eeyore- and dmesg also has the link speed too |
| 01:38.47 | NovaScorpio | The only times I can remember needing to reboot is for a kernel... |
| 01:38.52 | eeyore- | FliesLikeALap: yeah but dmesg could be clobbered by lots of kernel messages :-) |
| 01:38.53 | NovaScorpio | s/times/time/ |
| 01:38.56 | abrotman | NovaScorpio: if it's not libc or kernel .. i can't imagine it owuld need a reboot .. and even libc is iffy |
| 01:39.08 | eeyore- | FliesLikeALap: if your machine has been up for any length of time, your boot-time dmesg is probably long gone |
| 01:39.10 | avont_ | anyone know any good linux/unix torrent clients?? |
| 01:39.10 | NovaScorpio | abrotman: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm just gonna uninstall it, heh |
| 01:39.13 | zethreth | I didn't change any setting but now when I use vim or move around with the arrow keys it's lagging. |
| 01:39.16 | FliesLikeALap | yeah eeyore- but if I /just/ plugged an ethernet cable into my laptop, it is easy to spot |
| 01:39.20 | NovaScorpio | abrotman: Thanks anyway :) |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | NovaScorpio: you're running unstable right ? |
| 01:39.23 | NovaScorpio | Yeah |
| 01:39.28 | eeyore- | FliesLikeALap: though you could rmmod the net device and modprobe it back in. most will probably tell you what it connects at |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | well . i mean .. there will probably be packages every day that can be updated |
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| 01:39.46 | gnufan | zethreth: sounds more like performance issue -- you checked what "top" says? |
| 01:40.05 | Dwonis | FliesLikeALap: mii-tool eth0 |
| 01:40.08 | eeyore- | zethreth: turn off syntax highlighting? |
| 01:40.16 | avont_ | any good linux torrent clients out there? |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | eeyore-: stop editing a 500MB file? :) |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | avont_: apt-cache search torrent |
| 01:40.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: and don't run Xgl? |
| 01:40.30 | FliesLikeALap | thanks Dwonis and eeyore- but I already got my answer from dmesg ;) |
| 01:40.33 | unity | what group should i add myself to if i want to install and use printers? lp? lpadmin? |
| 01:40.42 | avont_ | whats cache sear torrent? |
| 01:41.03 | eeyore- | abrotman: my interactive performance has gone way the heck down with Xgl and compositing effects :-) |
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| 01:41.28 | Dwonis | avont_: run "apt-cache search torrent". it'll give you a list of packages that have "torrent" in their names or descriptions |
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| 01:41.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: stop staring! |
| 01:41.50 | avont_ | i already have some torrent files, i just need a linux torent client to download them |
| 01:41.57 | eeyore- | sexxxxxxy |
| 01:42.02 | zethreth | I'm running 512MB with about 133MB loaded and CPU usage is not being used at all. I'm only running some xterms. |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | avont_: i just told you how |
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| 01:42.23 | zethreth | And lynx maybe |
| 01:42.46 | avont_ | ok |
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| 01:42.58 | andy_ | does anyone here have a myspace |
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| 01:43.13 | eeyore- | andy_: you perv. what do you want to do? |
| 01:43.21 | whitehorse1 | andy_ nope, livejournal's more popular here |
| 01:43.27 | andy_ | wat u call me |
| 01:43.28 | attabui | haha @ eeyore- |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | andy_: wrong channel |
| 01:43.35 | whitehorse1 | @ eeyore- "lol" |
| 01:43.39 | zethreth | Maybe I'm searching for the wrong key words. There has to be a way to do that... |
| 01:43.46 | andy_ | wut u talkin bout |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | andy_: try #hottub |
| 01:44.06 | zethreth | I need it alot more sensitive. |
| 01:44.30 | andy_ | bitches |
| 01:44.31 | whitehorse1 | abrotman ohemgee I have fond memories of hottub on IRC, when I first used it. wow, 11 yrs or so ago now. |
| 01:44.36 | eeyore- | seems like the only good 'myspace' are the ones where the daughter kills the mommy, some dude killing himself, etc. stuff like that |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | myspace is for self-indulgent weenies |
| 01:44.48 | whitehorse1 | eeyore- troll :p |
| 01:44.52 | submarineshaun | anyone tell me why my small shell scipt isnt working? http://pastebin.com/626211 |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | submarineshaun: paste the error too |
| 01:45.12 | andy_ | fuck you bitch face cock suckers |
| 01:45.20 | Azar | :) |
| 01:45.29 | abrotman | andy_: you can leave now |
| 01:45.33 | whitehorse1 | andy_ bye. |
| 01:45.34 | jetscreamer | the #!/bin/bash portion? |
| 01:45.35 | attabui | hey now, no need for that |
| 01:45.42 | andy_ | fuck yall niggaz |
| 01:45.43 | jetscreamer | yes we need it |
| 01:45.45 | eeyore- | submarineshaun: typeset -i number |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | !ops andy_ |
| 01:45.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: andy_ |
| 01:45.59 | andy_ | wat |
| 01:46.04 | jetscreamer | eeyore- is right there abrotman :) |
| 01:46.06 | attabui | !ops andy_ needs to disappear, vulgar language |
| 01:46.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: andy_ needs to disappear, vulgar language |
| 01:46.10 | attabui | whoops sorry, beat me to it |
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| 01:46.30 | jetscreamer | !seen bob2 |
| 01:46.31 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 103d 18h 41m 12s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 01:46.31 | andy_ | yall niggaz r gay |
| 01:46.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not in a long long time |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | at least we can spell :) |
| 01:46.51 | eeyore- | andy_: you're just secretly in love with you-know-what and can't admit it |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | pasta ? |
| 01:47.03 | unity | lol bob2 hasn't been here in a while |
| 01:47.08 | andy_ | im in love with what |
| 01:47.16 | avont_ | how do i work this damnapt, i foun a site where i can download the source of an app i want, how can i get it through apt?? |
| 01:47.30 | jetscreamer | black poles, andy_ |
| 01:47.37 | eeyore- | see ya, dinner is waiting :-) |
| 01:47.39 | andy_ | fuck you |
| 01:47.39 | abrotman | avont_: apt-cache search torrent .. there are quite a few torrent clients in debian |
| 01:47.41 | submarineshaun | errors on that script: http://pastebin.com/626215 |
| 01:47.57 | avont_ | i don't like those |
| 01:47.57 | jetscreamer | hey eeyore- you're not gonna kickban him real quick? |
| 01:48.02 | avont_ | i want to use my favorite one |
| 01:48.12 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: pardon my bitchx kicks, if any |
| 01:48.12 | andy_ | bitch |
| 01:48.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o eeyore-] by ChanServ |
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| 01:48.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:48.24 | eeyore- | ah fuck :-) |
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| 01:48.27 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 01:48.43 | abrotman | doh! |
| 01:48.47 | eeyore- | why the hell isn't bx in debian fixed!? |
| 01:48.55 | andy_ | every one hold enter |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | why isn't eeyore- fixed in #debian? |
| 01:49.02 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: :-) |
| 01:49.06 | avont_ | well abro? |
| 01:49.08 | avont_ | here is the site |
| 01:49.15 | avont_ | http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 01:49.15 | jetscreamer | andrew meek |
| 01:49.19 | abrotman | avont_: use one that's already in debian |
| 01:49.21 | andy_ | everyone hold doen enter |
| 01:49.25 | avont_ | how do i download the source through apt |
| 01:49.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: you guys deal with him :-) i'm really hungry. maybe i'll xchat from home or something |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: ACK! |
| 01:49.36 | avont_ | i don't want to, i want to use abc |
| 01:49.39 | avont_ | http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 01:49.42 | tres`aw | I'm having a problem with ipmasq and unstable.. The rules aren't loading at all, having to login and run ipmasq by hand to get stuff to work |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | avont_: then ask them ... |
| 01:49.45 | andy_ | f |
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| 01:49.51 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | he'll be back |
| 01:49.59 | orco | ok, i'm about to stroke out on this audio driver isssu..., how do i get my nvidia chipset AC97 to use the intel8x10 driver? |
| 01:50.05 | peterS | didn't Sunday just happen yesterday? |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | peterS: you know him ? |
| 01:50.08 | jetscreamer | ban him peterS ! |
| 01:50.09 | peterS | how did it get to be Sunday again? |
| 01:50.14 | stoned | screaming jets |
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| 01:50.20 | jetscreamer | we did the timewarp again |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | peterS: it's always sunday in oklahoma! |
| 01:50.26 | peterS | jetscreamer: ENOOP |
| 01:50.45 | jetscreamer | enoop? |
| 01:50.58 | peterS | error, no op power |
| 01:51.00 | submarineshaun | http://pastebin.com/626215: anyideas, typeset -i number didnt help... |
| 01:51.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:51.14 | orco | lspci -v | grep audio |
| 01:51.14 | orco | 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0059 (rev a2), anybody use this one? |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | orco: update-pciids |
| 01:51.37 | stoned | If my regular desktop is running on :0, and I start X :1 -qeury someotherhost, how much RAM/system resources will the second instance of X take? Does it affect system performacne by much? |
| 01:51.50 | peterS | orco: it's an Intel compatible, use the 'snd-intel8x0' driver |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | submarineshaun: try a space ? |
| 01:52.11 | orco | that would be modprobe snd-intel8x0 right? |
| 01:52.12 | unity | what can i do if alsaconf does not detect my sound card? |
| 01:52.22 | Daveman | Hi PeterS :) |
| 01:52.24 | peterS | orco: yeah |
| 01:52.25 | orco | and alsaconf isn't working for me.. |
| 01:52.26 | peterS | hey Daveman |
| 01:52.32 | Daveman | :) |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | orco: update-pciids too .. it will show you what that is instead of "unknown" |
| 01:52.44 | tres`aw | anyone else even using ipmasq? |
| 01:52.47 | peterS | orco: well, your kernel may or may not support that chip. what kernel have you got, out of curiosity? |
| 01:52.53 | peterS | orco: I only checked 2.6.12 just now, it supports it |
| 01:52.58 | avont_ | i typed |
| 01:53.03 | avont_ | apt-get install bittorent |
| 01:53.09 | avont_ | didnt work |
| 01:53.11 | orco | i'm using 2.6.3 |
| 01:53.11 | abrotman | bittornado ? |
| 01:53.13 | orco | ouch |
| 01:53.27 | peterS | orco: right, that's kind of ancient, it doesn't surprise me if modern hardware isn't known |
| 01:53.32 | orco | every time i wander into testing/unstable i get udev barfing issues |
| 01:53.41 | avont_ | nm, i got it |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | 2.6.3 ? |
| 01:53.47 | peterS | orco: quite possibly the 2.6.3 snd-intel8x0 driver would work fine but it doesn't recognise the ID |
| 01:53.50 | stoned | anyone? |
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| 01:53.56 | orco | i have to #touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade |
| 01:54.04 | abrotman | dirty man! |
| 01:54.09 | peterS | orco: anyway, upgrade, 2.6.12 claims to support it, not that I have any way of testing |
| 01:54.23 | peterS | orco: whether 2.6.8 from sarge supports it, I don't know, as I don't have that installed |
| 01:54.28 | Daveman | PeterS, put on your dancin' shoes anytime lately? ;) |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | !kernel configs |
| 01:54.31 | orco | ok, what is the safest way to go to 2.6.12 |
| 01:54.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 01:54.34 | submarineshaun | abortman: ty, 'tis working |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | peterS: ^^ |
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| 01:54.43 | abrotman | submarineshaun: [$var is not a valid command :) |
| 01:54.54 | peterS | abrotman: hey cool, I must suck that down some time. it won't, however, answer this particular question |
| 01:55.01 | submarineshaun | aye, ive been writting java too long.. |
| 01:55.05 | abrotman | peterS: stew has posted configs for us! |
| 01:55.10 | orco | compiling kernels from scratch is long and arduous |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | i'm still confused why he has 2.6.3 |
| 01:55.16 | abrotman | orco: uname -a |
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| 01:55.39 | orco | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | ah .. better |
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| 01:55.49 | orco | sorry |
| 01:55.49 | initech | everytime I reboot, my sound card quits working and I must run alsaconf again, at which point it works ... anyone know why this would be? emu10k1 / alsa (sarge) |
| 01:55.55 | abrotman | stew: what's the config option / |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:55.58 | avont_ | abrotman: i installed bittornado through apt, no how do i launch the application its not in apps>net |
| 01:55.58 | peterS | orco: hmmm, it *looks* like 2.6.8 doesn't support your chip either |
| 01:56.00 | abrotman | stew: misfire! |
| 01:56.05 | orco | raaghhh |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 01:56.16 | chance2105 | I have an email in Evolution that I can read fine on the screen, but when I print to my printer or to a PDF the text is replaced by "squares" (what you see when a font does not support a character, but for every character). What gives? |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | orco: stop over at backports.org |
| 01:56.24 | orco | ok.... |
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| 01:56.47 | abrotman | avont_: btdownloadgui |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | !tell avont_ about grounding |
| 01:57.02 | peterS | orco: support was added in 2.6.9, actually. I just checked. |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | orco: there should be a newer kernel |
| 01:57.10 | Mukunda | What is the situtation with debian and the man-pages from kernel.org? They are under the POSIX Copyright which seems very non-free. |
| 01:57.13 | abrotman | orco: also .. really please run update-pciids |
| 01:57.30 | initech | chance2105: run pdfinfo on the file for starters, compare to something that works |
| 01:58.11 | peterS | abrotman: that's fine in general but the numeric PCI ID made it *easier* to search for this stuff in this case |
| 01:58.11 | daeos | abrotman: when doing ls, my link to sqwebmail shows up in red where as my other links are light blue..... what does red mean? |
| 01:58.11 | orco | 1 sec, this is reload #5 of debian today, my apt-get upgrade is about a few minutes behind |
| 01:58.11 | abrotman | peterS: for you! |
| 01:58.11 | avont_ | abrotman: how do i launch the program? i can't find the icon to click |
| 01:58.11 | peterS | well yeah |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | avont_: i just told you |
| 01:58.12 | orco | must reboot |
| 01:58.12 | avont_ | that didn't work |
| 01:58.12 | chance2105 | initech: On the generated PDF? I'm a little confused .. the original is an email. |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | then you didn't install it |
| 01:58.12 | liable | orco: why? |
| 01:58.13 | peterS | but we know NVidia audio chips are all in the intel8x0 driver, if they're supported at all, it's just a question of which ones are supported in which kernels |
| 01:58.14 | abrotman | btdownloadui |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:58.18 | abrotman | btdownloadgui |
| 01:58.18 | orco | i have a new kernel |
| 01:58.28 | avont_ | i DID |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | peterS: i thought nvsound2 wasn't |
| 01:58.36 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 01:58.37 | liable | oh, right |
| 01:58.37 | dpkg | nvsound is probably nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 01:58.42 | peterS | abrotman: ok maybe not *all* of them.. |
| 01:59.00 | orco | lol... |
| 01:59.06 | orco | brb |
| 01:59.09 | avont_ | command not found |
| 01:59.23 | initech | chance2105: sorry, misunderstood your question |
| 01:59.24 | daeos | avont_: try in terminal sudo updatedb , then locate bittornado, then look for the bin to run.... |
| 01:59.41 | abrotman | orco: apt-get install bittornado-gui && btdownloadgui |
| 01:59.45 | peterS | his chip is a CK804 according to the driver source. don't know if that's related to NVForce or not |
| 01:59.45 | chance2105 | initech: And maybe a clarification: I can read the email in Evolution. When I print to paper, the above bad result. When I print to PDF and I open the PDF in a PDF reader .. the same result (I'm not having to print to get it --- any output from evolution is giving me this) |
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| 01:59.58 | stoned | daeos, ir dpkg -L bittorrent|grep bin |
| 02:00.01 | stoned | or( |
| 02:00.05 | Mukunda | What is the situtation with debian and the man-pages from kernel.org? They are under the POSIX Copyright which seems very non-free. |
| 02:00.05 | stoned | damn keyboard |
| 02:00.13 | daeos | yep |
| 02:00.14 | daeos | lol |
| 02:00.17 | initech | chance2105: what print system are you using? cups? |
| 02:00.19 | daeos | but i need help with my links |
| 02:00.25 | chance2105 | initech: CUPS, yes. |
| 02:00.25 | daeos | i show my link in red not light blue |
| 02:00.30 | abrotman | Mukunda: send an email to debian-legal |
| 02:00.40 | Mukunda | abrotman: okay, thank you. |
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| 02:00.44 | abrotman | daeos: compressed file ? |
| 02:00.46 | initech | chance2105: and evolution / gnome has some build in pdf "printer"? |
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| 02:00.53 | avont_ | see what im saying |
| 02:00.56 | daeos | .... not sure why, its just a link to a folder |
| 02:01.03 | avont_ | how was i supposed to know i had to download extra stuff |
| 02:01.05 | abrotman | avont_: apt-get install bittornado-gui && btdownloadgui |
| 02:01.08 | avont_ | it didn't say i had to |
| 02:01.21 | daeos | oh |
| 02:01.23 | peterS | abrotman: "&&" implies that the latter should also be done as root (: |
| 02:01.25 | daeos | duh! now i see why |
| 02:01.31 | abrotman | peterS: oh yeah .. |
| 02:01.32 | Dwonis | abrotman: fyi, I think the posix manpages have been moved into non-free as "manpages-posix" |
| 02:01.35 | abrotman | !punish me |
| 02:01.38 | GutterPunk | How do I give a certain source in sources.list priority over another, when they are both in the same repository? Like the default debian testing source has nufw (too old version) and the package source from nufw has a newer... how do I pin this? |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | GutterPunk: pinning |
| 02:02.02 | chance2105 | initech: Evolution has it (well, just about any Gnome app does now that I think about it) . But I don't think the issue is the PDF output at all. The problem lies between the output I see on the screen in Evolution and the output I get on the printer of PDF. I wonder if somehow I'm missing a font, but not sure how that could be the case since I *do* see them onscreen.. |
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| 02:02.29 | chance2105 | err, printer OR pdf |
| 02:02.36 | initech | chance2105: well they don't neccessarily have anything to do with each other ... (screen & printer) |
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| 02:02.42 | GutterPunk | abrotman, so I pin by version then? But what if they have a new release, won't it stick with the version? |
| 02:02.48 | peterS | Dwonis: no, mhallsmite used more four-letter words, IIRC |
| 02:02.49 | initech | chance2105: in fact they definitely don't (in unix) |
| 02:02.59 | Dwonis | peterS: hmm... I suppose so |
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| 02:03.20 | Dwonis | !seen mhall |
| 02:03.21 | peterS | Dwonis: it involved a rubber duck, too, I believe. not that I have any desire to check. |
| 02:03.21 | dpkg | mhall <n=mhall@uop-9-213.pacific.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 51m 41s ago, saying: 'that's just wrong'. |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | i believe mentor deleted it |
| 02:03.46 | unity | can someone help me? alsaconf says it's unable to find any soud device, yet /dev/dsp exists and links to /dev/dsp0, and also, i've had sound on other linux distros |
| 02:03.52 | initech | chance2105: can you read any pdf files? |
| 02:03.55 | chance2105 | initech: Ok, so no correlation for that. The interesting part I think is that I get the same result .. print to pdf file, or print to physical printer. The issue seems to be in the character conversion, font, or something, but not sure where to look. |
| 02:03.56 | Dwonis | !mhallsmite peterS |
| 02:04.02 | Dwonis | yeah, it's gone :) |
| 02:04.06 | peterS | *whew* |
| 02:04.12 | peterS | I didn't think I deserved that anyway |
| 02:04.18 | chance2105 | initech: I can read all of my PDF files. With the excpetion of this PDF output. |
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| 02:04.46 | initech | chance2105: so you normally can read pdf that you make this way? |
| 02:04.50 | avont_ | the shit still dind't work |
| 02:04.52 | avont_ | whaha |
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| 02:05.11 | Dwonis | chance2105: xpdf-japanese ? |
| 02:05.17 | debian | !seen grey |
| 02:05.18 | dpkg | grey <~grey@toronto-HSE-ppp4309274.sympatico.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 361d 20h 45m 28s ago, saying: 'What's the fastest easiest way to get a new kernel installed on debian? I got the 2.6.8 source tree downloaded, but do I have to extract, make menuconfig etc. etc.?'. |
| 02:05.33 | daeos | with ls how can i see the permissions of a file? |
| 02:05.34 | chance2105 | initech: Yeah, I've never had a problem. I mostly use that medium. At any rate, you're barking up the wrong tree. It's NOT the pdf specifically .. it's all output from Evolution on this one particular email. |
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| 02:05.44 | peterS | daeos: normally with 'ls -l' |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | daeos: man ls |
| 02:05.56 | peterS | daeos: you can also see them with 'stat' |
| 02:06.00 | nicolas__ | if cdrecord is set setuid root and my user has the group cdrom, and i can use gnomebaker what could be the problem of nautilus-cd-burner to keep asking to an empty cd-r like if there was no cd-r in drive ? |
| 02:06.04 | initech | chance2105: can you copy just the text of the email, paste in an editor, and print that? |
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| 02:06.44 | meriad_ | hey, im having a problem with my usbmouse and X, i check dmesg, and it appears that all is working, but i cant use my mouse in X, or the terminal for that matter.. and wondering what other steps i need to configure in order for my usb mouse to work correctly |
| 02:07.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you know if .htaccess is supported for gallery-perl yet? |
| 02:07.52 | abrotman | that's an ugly ugly box score |
| 02:07.57 | Dwonis | meriad_: are you using xorg or xfree86? |
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| 02:08.39 | abrotman | meriad_: what device did you choose? |
| 02:08.59 | daeos | can someone remind me what this means ...... drw-rw-r-- |
| 02:09.07 | daeos | directory ... and ? |
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| 02:09.17 | daeos | read write read write and read |
| 02:09.20 | daeos | but for who |
| 02:09.21 | abrotman | daeos: 664 |
| 02:09.24 | daeos | ah |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:09.27 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 02:09.28 | Dwonis | abrotman: ass |
| 02:09.35 | chance2105 | initech: Yeah, that's working .. thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to research this more though .. as I played, I realized that all output from evolution that included any fonts besides "none" (eg, html emails, even the header of the email) doesn't print correctly. I'll have to look into it, but no time now. :/ |
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| 02:09.42 | Dwonis | abrotman: it's 0644, anyway! |
| 02:09.56 | initech | chance2105: look for something goofy in the email header |
| 02:10.05 | orco | ok i'm back, now on uname -r = 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 02:10.08 | chance2105 | initech: .. |
| 02:10.15 | daeos | he's being that way cause he's being asked so many questions im sure he's tired of it now |
| 02:10.26 | abrotman | Dwonis: yeah yeah |
| 02:10.29 | tuv | where can i find debian t-shirts? i found this site but it ships only to us: http://www.aboutdebian.com/gear.htm |
| 02:10.38 | abrotman | tuv: cafepress |
| 02:10.43 | peterS | orco: I told you already that your chip is supported only in 2.6.9 and newere |
| 02:10.45 | peterS | newer |
| 02:10.47 | abrotman | daeos: no .. it's about fishing |
| 02:10.49 | orco | aah |
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| 02:11.10 | Dwonis | abrotman: fishing? |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | !fish |
| 02:11.15 | dpkg | [fish] FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 02:11.20 | tuv | abrotman, any other colors than white? i don't like white t-shirts very much.. they look like underwear! |
| 02:11.20 | peterS | orco: I didn't check debian 2.6.8, but unless they patched it to support extra audio chips, which I doubt they did, it's not supported there |
| 02:11.22 | Dwonis | ah, of course |
| 02:11.29 | orco | what's the safest way to upgrade, |
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| 02:11.33 | abrotman | tuv: maybe people like seeing you in your underwear? |
| 02:11.45 | Dwonis | orco: the *safest* way is to do a backup first :) |
| 02:12.00 | abrotman | orco: backports.org has a 2.6.15 |
| 02:12.05 | tuv | abrotman, maybe so.. but i don't like them seeing me in my underwear |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | tuv: i'm sure they have many colors |
| 02:12.26 | daeos | i only asked cause i know why my link is red, its forbidden via http since the link's target is not even read allowed for some reason |
| 02:12.27 | orco | i'm confused... backports.. not a debian repository? |
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| 02:12.38 | abrotman | not official no |
| 02:13.11 | Dwonis | orco: you could also upgrade to testing or unstable, but those are far less safe than backports |
| 02:13.25 | Dwonis | I really should stop calling unstable an "upgrade" |
| 02:14.08 | stoned | after installing sarge, is it a good idea to add a backports.org respository in sources.list and upgrade the system? Whats the word on this? |
| 02:14.09 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:14.10 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 02:14.16 | abrotman | stoned: no |
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| 02:14.35 | stoned | abrotman, why? I would assume it keeps sarge updated with new software yes |
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| 02:14.54 | tuv | abrotman, you're right.. they have quite a collection. does debian get any of that money? |
| 02:15.07 | abrotman | tuv: not sure |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | stoned: they're unofficial and not supported |
| 02:15.40 | stoned | besides the two facts, what else? |
| 02:15.55 | orco | so i just add backports.org to my sources.list and pick a new kernel, whiz bang that easy? |
| 02:15.57 | stoned | would it break the system? |
| 02:16.00 | abrotman | stoned: possibly |
| 02:16.09 | Daveman | mmm... kernels |
| 02:16.21 | stoned | how stable is etch? good enough to use as a desktop os? |
| 02:16.40 | peterS | stoned: depends on what your expectations are. people trust debian stable because it's very widely tested and people work very hard to make it as good as possible before release. other stuff, from third-party places like backports.org, doesn't have that same reputation |
| 02:16.52 | peterS | stoned: it might be just as high quality as sarge itself, it might not - probably depends on the package |
| 02:16.52 | stoned | i see |
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| 02:17.36 | peterS | stoned: certainly in some cases it is the debian maintainer who uploads sarge ports of new stuff to backports.org. so *some* of the trust in quality may transfer. |
| 02:17.50 | jsan | good nyght my friends !! |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:18.02 | simonrvn | like you said, depending on the package |
| 02:18.23 | simonrvn | cheery dude i guess |
| 02:18.42 | Dwonis | stoned: I run a mix of testing and unstable (etch and sid), but I'm able to fix things when things occasionally go horribly wrong. |
| 02:19.02 | jsan | i have cleints using ADSL and i need this clients to access my aplicactions in my network , i think to put vpn, how solutions is possible to resolv this in VPN ? i wolud like to find, help me please |
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| 02:19.07 | stoned | well the problem I am facing is this. I installed sarge, and I added backports repos. to get xfce4.2.3. As well as marillat and mplayer. Evertime I update, it gives me crap about gpg key for marillat. I I followed the !marillat key factoid and on the last step it hands. I thought sarge wasn't supposed to do that, since it contains apt-get < 6.0 |
| 02:19.27 | abrotman | stoned: dpkg -l apt |
| 02:19.34 | meriad_ | ok, so my mouse is deteted, and i can find the device entry in proc/bus/usb/devices etc.. but i cant find its /dev entry.. |
| 02:19.48 | meriad_ | so X wont work cause it cant find the device for my usb mouse.. |
| 02:19.50 | stoned | 0.6.43.2bpo1 |
| 02:19.51 | peterS | meriad_: it's /dev/input/mice for any USB mouse |
| 02:20.04 | abrotman | meriad_: did you load the mousedev module ? |
| 02:20.05 | stoned | arghe!!! not good, i dunno how it happened, how can i go back to default sarge |
| 02:20.12 | peterS | meriad_: the kernel has a mouse multiplexor and provides every mouse on that same device |
| 02:20.15 | stoned | all i installed was xfce4.2 from backports |
| 02:20.25 | thingfish | evidently no |
| 02:20.37 | thingfish | *not |
| 02:20.41 | gnufan | stoned: just reinstall it if it is working... if all else fails wget and dpkg still work ;) |
| 02:20.47 | meriad_ | peterS i know |
| 02:20.48 | orco | ok, so now i should get the kernel image and the headers and the source i imagine or 2.6.15 |
| 02:20.49 | meriad_ | peterS it doesnt werk |
| 02:20.55 | meriad_ | peterS /dev/input/mice doesnt spit anything out |
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| 02:21.05 | abrotman | stoned: so that apt supports keys probably |
| 02:21.06 | meriad_ | peterS: but it does tell me that the device input0 is detected and such |
| 02:21.08 | gnufan | stoned: apt-list-versions can help as well. |
| 02:21.14 | stoned | gnufan, how do i reinstall it, it works though |
| 02:21.17 | peterS | meriad_: right, load the kernel modules 'mousedev' and 'usbhid' |
| 02:21.29 | abrotman | meriad_: did you load mousedev ? |
| 02:21.33 | orco | will i have the appropriate version of compiler/udev/etc to do this? |
| 02:21.40 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 02:21.43 | meriad_ | peterS they are :) |
| 02:21.44 | stoned | abrotman, it hangs i think, takes a long long long time on the last step of adding the key, and after 10 minutes i had to ctrl + c to get out o fit |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | peterS: it is clearly sunday |
| 02:21.55 | peterS | abrotman: that's what I'm sayin' |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman | stoned: it's waiting for something |
| 02:22.02 | qwertz | is debian the same with fedora that every 6months the version changed and after 1 year or two the old version is not supported anymore? |
| 02:22.04 | GutterPunk | How can I find out what the requirements are for a certain package to work? All the dependencies, and also the libs it is compiled against? |
| 02:22.06 | gnufan | stoned: did you try apt-get install apt... seem to remember that I had to remove a rogue directive when downgrading "apt", but it was all very obvious from the error messages |
| 02:22.07 | meriad_ | peterS oh wait |
| 02:22.09 | meriad_ | peterS oh nm |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | qwertz: no |
| 02:22.17 | abrotman | qwertz: there is a release when it's ready |
| 02:22.20 | peterS | meriad_: occasionally someone confuses 'mousedev' with 'usbmouse'. not at all the same thing (: |
| 02:22.20 | thingfish | qwertz: no, not at all. |
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| 02:22.43 | meriad_ | peterS cant find the module usbhid |
| 02:22.48 | abrotman | qwertz: currently woody( the last version of stable) is to have a year of support after sarge's release (another 6 months) |
| 02:22.54 | peterS | meriad_: what kernel version? with earlier kernels the module was named 'hid' |
| 02:22.55 | abrotman | meriad_: uname -a |
| 02:23.43 | meriad_ | peterS sweet |
| 02:23.47 | meriad_ | peterS i think its working now |
| 02:23.50 | meriad_ | peterS lemme try |
| 02:23.53 | peterS | cool |
| 02:23.56 | meriad_ | to start x |
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| 02:24.14 | peterS | meriad_: if you already have X running, it should not need a restart, it should start working immediately |
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| 02:24.26 | peterS | amazing but true |
| 02:24.35 | orco | to get the most recent kernel i need from backport.org |
| 02:24.38 | meriad_ | all is well peterS |
| 02:24.40 | meriad_ | peterS thaks |
| 02:24.43 | peterS | good good |
| 02:24.45 | abrotman | orco: read the docs at backports.org |
| 02:24.50 | daeos | abrotman: wow, even after chmoding to 777 i still can't access the folder!! |
| 02:24.53 | orco | i read the howto |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | daeos: what's the error ? |
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| 02:25.18 | peterS | abrotman: you get half the credit for meriad_ there, I saw you badgering him for details he never quite remembered to give out |
| 02:25.24 | TTT_Travis | how do I mount and read windows formatted floppys? |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | peterS: no kidding .. "IT DOESN'T WORK" :) |
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| 02:26.13 | stoned | abrotman, which sarge iso cd# do i need in order to just install the base system etc. minimal install. I don't want to donwload 8 cds or whatever |
| 02:26.14 | abrotman | !tell TTT_Travis about vfatrw |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | stoned: you use the netinst .. that will install the most basic system |
| 02:26.32 | Dwonis | wtf? |
| 02:26.33 | abrotman | !tell stoned about cd contents |
| 02:26.35 | orco | unfortunately i don't know german |
| 02:26.36 | peterS | stoned: if you don't mind downloading stuff over the net during the install you can just grab the netinst |
| 02:26.37 | Dwonis | !dos floppy |
| 02:26.38 | dpkg | Opening the icmp floodgates:\n for i in `seq 0 1024`; do echo "Pinging dwonis"; ping -s dwonis"; done |
| 02:26.40 | orco | i'm assuming german |
| 02:26.44 | daeos | abrotman: the link is red unlike my working link which is light blue, and when i go to the folder on my site, its comes up as forbidden |
| 02:26.45 | peterS | stoned: otherwise just pick the first CD image, it should have most of what you wnat |
| 02:26.54 | stoned | peterS, I mostly always use the netinst kernel/initrd |
| 02:26.58 | orco | so is there another howto/faq on backports, i just google searched.. |
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| 02:27.13 | abrotman | daeos: on my system .. red is archives |
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| 02:27.25 | abrotman | daeos: ls -l <filename> .. what is the whole line ? |
| 02:27.36 | meriad_ | peterS oops one more issue, gnome isnt loading properly now. |
| 02:27.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:27.50 | peterS | meriad_: that's almost certainly unrelated |
| 02:28.08 | powder | anyone know how i can get "sudo gedit" to work? |
| 02:28.15 | Dwonis | besides being totally unrelated to what I asked for, ping -s expects a packet size |
| 02:28.19 | peterS | I don't gedit |
| 02:28.27 | abrotman | powder: try sux |
| 02:28.27 | stoned | peterS, I was wondering if it was possible to construct a custom debian sarge iso, regarless of size, which contains only the packages I most often use, plus the base system, other required stuff, not an entire cd set. It is possible to make a custom cd iso somehow, so if you boot with it after burning, it will start installing debian, but it only contains the packages for that and whatever else I use, if anything else I can always tell |
| 02:28.27 | stoned | apt to get it from repositories online. |
| 02:28.30 | meriad_ | peterS maybe i should just rebooot |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | meriad_: wait |
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| 02:28.38 | meriad_ | peterS can i fix all this stuff within X? |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | meriad_: make sure you add those modules you loaded to /etc/modules |
| 02:28.54 | powder | abrotman, what is sux? |
| 02:29.00 | meriad_ | abrotman ohh mousedev, and usbhid or whatever |
| 02:29.00 | peterS | meriad_: you said gnome isn't working properly. how the *#^$ do you expect me to have any idea what is wrong? |
| 02:29.17 | abrotman | !tell powder about sux |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | meriad_: hid |
| 02:29.24 | Dwonis | stoned: I don't know if this is what you want, but have a look at apt-move |
| 02:29.29 | peterS | meriad_: my car won't start, do you think I need to change the air filter? |
| 02:29.37 | daeos | all the files within the folder are -rw-r--r-- |
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| 02:29.43 | abrotman | peterS: no .. try using the keys! |
| 02:29.50 | meriad_ | peterS kde is workingfine |
| 02:29.52 | meriad_ | hmm |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | darn rednecks always want to pop the clutch |
| 02:30.05 | Dwonis | stoned: you might be able to hijack the data from popularity-contest, as well.... or, someone else might know a simpler way |
| 02:30.05 | thingfish | well it works. |
| 02:30.16 | TTT_Travis | what is the command to mount a vfat floppy? |
| 02:30.25 | randability | Hey, I've got a simple question. How would I disable xwindows from starting on init? I have xorg I believe. |
| 02:30.29 | daeos | abrotman: ....all the files within the folder are -rw-r--r-- |
| 02:30.40 | peterS | randability: remove the 'xdm' package |
| 02:30.47 | peterS | randability: that's the simplest way, though there are certainly others |
| 02:30.53 | Dwonis | TTT_Travis: man mount |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | daeos: use pastebin .. paste the entire process and the error |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | TTT_Travis: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | TTT_Travis: mount -t auto /floppy ? |
| 02:31.16 | randability | peterS: If I were to remove the xdm package, how would I specify a default WM that 'startx' would execute? |
| 02:31.18 | Dwonis | abrotman: It doesn't talk about the mount command itself, just /etc/fstab |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | Dwonis: more fishing ... |
| 02:31.37 | peterS | randability: change the /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager symlink |
| 02:31.46 | Dwonis | abrotman: hence, man mount |
| 02:31.52 | randability | Thanks. |
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| 02:31.58 | thingfish | randability: install another one; you should get asked which one you want to be default. |
| 02:32.00 | randability | And apparently, I don't have xdm installed |
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| 02:32.38 | Dwonis | randability: the best way to change the symlink in /etc/alternatives is to use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" |
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| 02:32.38 | peterS | randability: then I wonder why X is starting up at boot time. perhaps you have gdm, kdm, wdm, or that other one? |
| 02:32.39 | TTT_Travis | root@snoopy:/dev# mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /floppy/ |
| 02:32.39 | TTT_Travis | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 02:32.39 | levander | When I 'lsof /var/lib/dpkg' I get: "WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev". Does lsof not support ext3? |
| 02:32.58 | randability | peterS: I just got rid of gdm, maybe I'll restart now. |
| 02:32.59 | randability | Thanks |
| 02:33.11 | peterS | TTT_Travis: leave out the -t auto part |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | though it should work |
| 02:33.30 | randability | Thanks. |
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| 02:33.32 | orco | alright i'm praying this backport works |
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| 02:33.33 | peterS | I think auto only works in fstab, not on the command line |
| 02:33.36 | TTT_Travis | its windows formatted |
| 02:33.40 | TTT_Travis | root@snoopy:/dev# mount /dev/fd0 /floppy/ |
| 02:33.40 | TTT_Travis | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 02:33.52 | peterS | TTT_Travis: oh, mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy |
| 02:34.04 | TTT_Travis | mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat' |
| 02:34.08 | acad | how hard is it to install wiki software, any suggestions? any tutorials |
| 02:34.10 | qwertz | abrotman: so how many years does a version change in debian? |
| 02:34.11 | Dwonis | gah? |
| 02:34.15 | TTT_Travis | do I need a certain package for vfat? |
| 02:34.15 | peterS | TTT_Travis: alternatively, just put a line "/dev/fd0 /floppy vfat defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab and then you can just 'mount /floppy' |
| 02:34.16 | Dwonis | TTT_Travis: modprobe vfat |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | qwertz: it depends .. they hope the time between versions this time will be 18 months |
| 02:34.29 | orco | has anyone gone to xorg this way? |
| 02:34.34 | peterS | Dwonis: should not be needed, it will autoload if present, otherwise it won't |
| 02:34.35 | orco | using backport |
| 02:34.36 | TTT_Travis | root@snoopy:/dev# modprobe vfat |
| 02:34.36 | TTT_Travis | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 02:34.36 | TTT_Travis | root@snoopy:/dev# modprobe vfat |
| 02:34.36 | TTT_Travis | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 02:34.42 | daeos | abrotman: can i '/msg' you the link? im going to include my server name in the paste |
| 02:34.42 | TTT_Travis | woop |
| 02:34.43 | abrotman | !tel qwertz about release history |
| 02:34.44 | TTT_Travis | s |
| 02:34.56 | peterS | TTT_Travis: someone screwed with your kernel installation |
| 02:34.57 | abrotman | daeos: is it the FQDN ? |
| 02:35.03 | TTT_Travis | hmmm |
| 02:35.05 | randability | That helps a lot |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | !tell qwertz about release history |
| 02:35.06 | randability | Thanks |
| 02:35.08 | TTT_Travis | all this work just to read a floppy |
| 02:35.12 | peterS | TTT_Travis: maybe you removed the kernel package corresponding to the currently running kernel? |
| 02:35.14 | fortysixand2 | exit |
| 02:35.17 | fortysixand2 | oops |
| 02:35.19 | qwertz | abrotman and after 18months wil that old version be supported for any security issues? |
| 02:35.19 | Dwonis | TTT_Travis: *try* "depmod -a", but it probably won't work |
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| 02:35.37 | abrotman | qwertz: about a year (based on historical efforts) |
| 02:35.42 | daeos | abrotman: i have the paste ready |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | daeos: ok .. go ahead .. |
| 02:35.52 | peterS | TTT_Travis: well, there's another way, you can avoid mounting it at all and just use command-line programs to read and write to the floppy. the 'mtools' package is great for that. |
| 02:36.02 | qwertz | so therefore centos is much better cuz they change version after 7 years, right? |
| 02:36.08 | peterS | TTT_Travis: I mainly use mtools for floppy access, though I also mount them occasionally |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | qwertz: seven years? |
| 02:36.12 | TTT_Travis | peters ok I'll try that |
| 02:36.31 | qwertz | yes as they said |
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| 02:36.34 | TTT_Travis | I just need to get the data off this floppy |
| 02:36.35 | peterS | TTT_Travis: mtools lets you do things like 'mdir a:' or 'mcopy foo.txt a:bar.txt' |
| 02:36.39 | Dwonis | Is it aluminium oxide safe to eat? |
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| 02:37.25 | TTT_Travis | peters what could I do to just copy the contents? |
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| 02:37.41 | Dwonis | TTT_Travis: he told you, use mcopy |
| 02:37.43 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: it's probably not a great idea to eat it, but it should be relatively inert |
| 02:38.03 | peterS | TTT_Travis: mkdir floppy; mcopy -s 'a:*' floppy/ |
| 02:38.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:38.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip68-110-16-114.om.om.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:38.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:38.37 | TTT_Travis | hmmm |
| 02:38.37 | TTT_Travis | root@snoopy:/dev# mkdir floppy; mcopy -s 'a:*' floppy/ |
| 02:38.37 | TTT_Travis | plain_io: Input/output error |
| 02:38.37 | TTT_Travis | Error reading fat number 0 |
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| 02:38.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did debhelper unban the guy that eeyore kept kicking ? |
| 02:38.49 | Dwonis | he'll figure it out sooner or later |
| 02:38.56 | abrotman | Dwonis: sunday! |
| 02:39.19 | Dwonis | abrotman: only in crappy timezones! ;P |
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| 02:39.27 | abrotman | Dwonis: wanna bet? |
| 02:39.28 | peterS | TTT_Travis: dude that's like the second time you flooded the channel and got kicked off for it |
| 02:39.34 | TTT_Travis | yeah |
| 02:39.35 | TTT_Travis | sorry |
| 02:39.40 | abrotman | peterS: in 5 minutes |
| 02:39.43 | peterS | TTT_Travis: so the lesson here is, don't flood the channel |
| 02:39.47 | TTT_Travis | yeah |
| 02:39.50 | TTT_Travis | I'm an idiot |
| 02:39.52 | TTT_Travis | anyway |
| 02:39.59 | TTT_Travis | any idea why it would give me that error? |
| 02:40.02 | Dwonis | !paste |
| 02:40.03 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:40.06 | peterS | because you have a bad floppy? |
| 02:40.14 | TTT_Travis | I'm almost positive it works |
| 02:40.27 | TTT_Travis | maybe the formatting is wonky |
| 02:40.32 | peterS | it could be |
| 02:40.47 | TTT_Travis | its one of those disks that you put in a electric piano and you save your songs midi files onto |
| 02:40.49 | peterS | another test is 'cp /dev/fd0 /tmp/floppy.img' |
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| 02:40.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: which guy? |
| 02:40.54 | TTT_Travis | so I bet the piano has its only format |
| 02:40.55 | Dwonis | abrotman: hmm... it's not Sunday anywhere, is it? |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: <-- debhelper has kicked CyzarX from #debian (Banned: join flood) |
| 02:41.18 | qwertz | will the release of any debian version be supported for more than 3 years? |
| 02:41.24 | TTT_Travis | peterS input/output |
| 02:41.37 | abrotman | Dwonis: in #debian! :) |
| 02:41.39 | peterS | qwertz: unlikely, we tend to support a version for about a year after the next version is released |
| 02:41.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh... that'll just get them banned temporarily, then unbanned |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: just making sure |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | i didn't see debhelper unset it |
| 02:42.05 | peterS | qwertz: and people have complained so much about this business of a 2-year release cycle, we're trying to shorten that |
| 02:42.06 | dondelelcaro | yeah, all of the debhelper bans time out fairly rapidly |
| 02:42.25 | abrotman | qwertz: if the release is stable for two years .. and then supported as oldstable for another 1 year .. yes |
| 02:42.27 | daeos | abrotman: thanks for pointing out the typo |
| 02:42.33 | dondelelcaro | 18:19:07 -!- mode/#debian [-b *!*@218.208.242.9] by debhelper |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | daeos: that was silly!!! :) |
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| 02:42.54 | qwertz | peterS that means after a year then we really have to format again the os to install latest version, this must be bad |
| 02:43.02 | abrotman | qwertz: not at all |
| 02:43.06 | peterS | qwertz: *format*? wtf do you think this is, suse or windows? |
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| 02:43.09 | abrotman | !tell qwertz about woody->sarge |
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| 02:43.18 | peterS | qwertz: nobody reinstalls debian, you just upgrade. that's what we're known for |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | i reinstall when the HDD dies :) |
| 02:43.45 | Dwonis | peterS: SuSE makes you reinstall? |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | or when windows screws up .. |
| 02:43.59 | peterS | Dwonis: apparently the upgrade is far from smooth. I haven't tried it. |
| 02:44.01 | thingfish | doesn't it even say in the release notes that they practically guarantee a no down-time upgrade? |
| 02:44.17 | shogunx | abrotman you should swap out the failed member of the array :) |
| 02:44.25 | abrotman | shogunx: in my laptop ? |
| 02:44.33 | peterS | thingfish: I doubt anyone would say anything reckless like that. things can *always* go wrong |
| 02:44.48 | shogunx | that does make it more difficult. |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:44.52 | daeos | abrotman: i guess red also means dead link :) |
| 02:45.00 | thingfish | true, peterS. I'm paraphrasing, of course. let me see if I can find my source. |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | daeos: oh .. maybe. . i don't have many of those :) |
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| 02:46.10 | Dwonis | abrotman: surely you can run RAID between two USB memory sticks |
| 02:46.26 | abrotman | Dwonis: but i wouldn't run my laptop off that |
| 02:46.40 | daeos | usb raid.... omg |
| 02:46.43 | thingfish | peterS: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606, the 8th paragraph. |
| 02:46.47 | Dwonis | abrotman: why not? secure deletion would be easier... |
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| 02:47.07 | abrotman | Dwonis: yeah .. just get a wool coat and touch the usb stick :) |
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| 02:48.02 | shogunx | with the right laptop and some fancy soldering, one could put two ultraslim drives on one one channel in a slot designed for a slim drive. |
| 02:49.09 | thingfish | peterS: not that that's as official as release notes. |
| 02:49.29 | peterS | quite so |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | shogunx: one could do a lot of things :) |
| 02:49.33 | Dwonis | shogunx: I don't think that would be a good idea. Apparently when you put two IDE drives on the same channel, the one that dies can nuke the other one. At least, I think that's what one of the RAID howtos says. |
| 02:49.52 | peterS | Dwonis: it may not nuke it but it will quite possibly make it unavailable, which for RAID purposes, is similar |
| 02:50.12 | peterS | in that you need to shut down the machine so you can unplug the bad drive |
| 02:50.31 | qwertz | oh rather centos supports 7 years for any security issues for any version, what about debian? |
| 02:50.44 | peterS | qwertz: I think we already answered your question |
| 02:50.48 | peterS | qwertz: did you have others? |
| 02:50.53 | Dwonis | qwertz: If you want support for that long, you can always pay someone to give it to you. |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | qwertz: i seriously doubt they support it for seven years |
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| 02:51.14 | abrotman | an exploit crafted seven years from now probably won't work on any system made today |
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| 02:51.26 | abrotman | !tell qwertz about why debian |
| 02:51.41 | peterS | don't bother. wait until he asks a question we haven't already answered |
| 02:51.57 | abrotman | peterS: it will give him enough to read until it's sunday tomorrow |
| 02:51.59 | peterS | "why can't you be more like centos" isn't a question |
| 02:52.01 | Dwonis | !questions quertz has asked |
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| 02:52.15 | abrotman | peterS: i'm suspecting a possible gnome at this point |
| 02:52.16 | morale | my sound in quake 3 works fine when its starting |
| 02:52.18 | thingfish | the best advice we can give you, qwertz, is to install Debian and see for yourself. Quality speaks for itself. |
| 02:52.19 | morale | but when i try to play a game |
| 02:52.20 | qwertz | im sorry guys just wanna make sure.. |
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| 02:52.23 | morale | there is no in game sound |
| 02:52.25 | morale | any suggestions? |
| 02:52.32 | Dwonis | I prefer to call it a KDE |
| 02:52.41 | peterS | qwertz: answer is, absolutely not, debian does not support security patches for 7 years, and probably never will |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | and why should it! .. upgrades are fun! |
| 02:53.12 | peterS | qwertz: if the release cycle is 18 months, which is the current goal, that means sarge will be supported for about 2 and a half years |
| 02:53.28 | peterS | from June 2005 until around December 2007 |
| 02:53.41 | Dwonis | abrotman: especially libstdc++ upgrades! |
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| 02:53.47 | abrotman | fun! |
| 02:54.03 | morale | any ideas people? |
| 02:54.14 | Dwonis | morale: could you provide some more details? |
| 02:54.19 | abrotman | i'm hungry .. does that help ? |
| 02:54.24 | morale | Dwonis not really.. i can use my sound anywhere else |
| 02:54.29 | peterS | mumble mumble keep the FBI off my back for the next couple of hours mumble mumble |
| 02:54.33 | morale | Dwonis and the sound works fine loading the game |
| 02:54.37 | morale | Dwonis just actual game play no sound |
| 02:54.46 | abrotman | peterS: are you going to escape to DC6? :) |
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| 02:54.54 | Dwonis | abrotman: I can mail you some aluminium oxide, if you want |
| 02:55.00 | peterS | abrotman: still haven't heard about money |
| 02:55.03 | peterS | abrotman: you? |
| 02:55.06 | abrotman | Dwonis: i ate liver for dinner .. i should be fine |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | peterS: still unsure .. |
| 02:55.18 | Dwonis | morale: extra details, such as ... what game? |
| 02:55.23 | morale | Dwonis quake 3 |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | Dwonis: quake3 |
| 02:55.25 | morale | Dwonis demo |
| 02:55.29 | morale | Dwonis i alrady stsated this |
| 02:55.31 | peterS | abrotman: do we need to publicise damog's petition some more? |
| 02:55.38 | orco | abrotman, peterS. thankyou so much |
| 02:55.41 | shogunx | Dwonis well, thats the good thing about scsi, eh? |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | peterS: it's been pulled .. and not even 50 people signed it before it was yanked |
| 02:55.49 | orco | and anyone else that has helped me out |
| 02:56.13 | Dwonis | morale: sorry, I missed it. One thing about quake3 is, I think, it doesn't support ALSA, which means it has to be the *only* thing using the sound device |
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| 02:56.17 | orco | backport rocks |
| 02:56.19 | Dwonis | morale: are you running kde? |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | or esound |
| 02:56.33 | jetscreamer | omg liver |
| 02:56.36 | jetscreamer | yuck |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | yum yum! |
| 02:56.51 | Pablo | :\ |
| 02:56.53 | Dwonis | jetscreamer: still eat your parents' cooking? |
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| 02:57.24 | Dwonis | when you start cooking for yourself, you eventually realize that you are capable of eating anything |
| 02:57.27 | jetscreamer | q3 works fine for me |
| 02:57.35 | orco | thankyou so much, and i wish i could thank in a more material sense...., i'm not sure how you all could contact me but let me know via /msg |
| 02:57.40 | abrotman | Dwonis: no .. i chose to cook it .. i like it :) |
| 02:57.43 | jetscreamer | Dwonis: not for 20 or 30 years, but i still pop in once in a while |
| 02:57.43 | morale | Dwonis yes |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | orco: send beer! |
| 02:57.49 | morale | Dwonis but it doesnt werk in gnome either |
| 02:57.53 | morale | Dwonis and i know about arts |
| 02:58.02 | Dwonis | morale: yeah, that's what I was going to suggest |
| 02:58.11 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 02:58.11 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 02:58.22 | jetscreamer | the oss wrapper thingy |
| 02:58.25 | Dwonis | morale: also, apparently some sound drivers don't support DMA/mmap mode access, and quake probably requires that |
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| 02:58.40 | morale | then why does it work for the intro |
| 02:58.42 | morale | but not ingame |
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| 02:59.09 | Dwonis | morale: eh? hmm... do you have sound turned off? =) |
| 02:59.23 | Dwonis | morale: I can't really help you, because this machine doesn't like q3a |
| 02:59.24 | abrotman | check the alsa levels ? |
| 02:59.52 | Dwonis | !bitchxsmite me |
| 03:00.07 | jetscreamer | i've found that the default xserver config isn't conducive to q3a (untill you fuck with it, aka fix it) |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | eww |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | is q3 even worth playing ? |
| 03:00.28 | jetscreamer | of course |
| 03:00.38 | abrotman | doubtful! |
| 03:00.41 | jetscreamer | mods |
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| 03:01.50 | jetscreamer | my lowly 2400xp chokes on q4 :( |
| 03:02.04 | jetscreamer | the 6600gt made a difference though |
| 03:02.39 | thingfish | q3 used to be kind of fun... |
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| 03:03.21 | Dwonis | has anyone heard anything about that company that was going to make an open-interface 3D graphics card? |
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| 03:03.59 | jetscreamer | gaming used to be fun :( |
| 03:04.03 | abrotman | Dwonis: it comes up every few years |
| 03:04.13 | Cyorxamp | Ok folks sorry about this but this is the last time I'll be in here |
| 03:04.23 | Cyorxamp | v |
| 03:04.24 | Cyorxamp | I'm going back to windows - linux just is not ready |
| 03:04.24 | jetscreamer | ok bye... why, btw |
| 03:04.26 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:04.31 | nick_oi | fara well |
| 03:04.33 | jetscreamer | ciao cya buhbye |
| 03:04.35 | Dwonis | ta ta |
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| 03:04.38 | pipeline | Cyorxamp: Heh, that method doesn't work on #debian, i'm afraid. |
| 03:04.41 | jetscreamer | gtfoutta dodge |
| 03:04.49 | Cyorxamp | Method? |
| 03:04.51 | Cyorxamp | I'm off |
| 03:04.52 | pipeline | Cyorxamp: I know the "troll" method is a common newbie tip, but it just doesn't work on popular distributions :\ |
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| 03:04.55 | jetscreamer | GO |
| 03:04.55 | Dwonis | !wave Cyorxamp |
| 03:04.57 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 03:04.59 | Epik | If i want to stream video, what software should i use? |
| 03:05.15 | abrotman | server or client ? |
| 03:05.18 | jetscreamer | mplayer, ffmpeg, icecast i think... |
| 03:05.19 | Epik | server |
| 03:05.23 | nick_oi | hey guys did you have problem installing debian with 2.6 kernel and grub? |
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| 03:05.29 | pipeline | Epik: vlc is the easiest way to get up and running. For more practical, larger-scale stuff, you want helix-server or darwin-ss |
| 03:05.44 | Epik | thanks pipeline |
| 03:05.57 | pipeline | nick_oi: To install sarge with a 2.6 kernel, hit "linux26" at the "boot:" prompt when you start the installer. |
| 03:06.07 | abrotman | nick_oi: that's a bit vague |
| 03:06.20 | nick_oi | yeah but it doesn't work |
| 03:06.20 | Dwonis | nick_oi: I didn't |
| 03:06.30 | Dwonis | !doesntwork |
| 03:06.35 | Dwonis | !dontwork |
| 03:06.38 | nick_oi | there is something between 2.6 and grub |
| 03:06.39 | Dwonis | blarg |
| 03:06.43 | jetscreamer | nick_oi: how many controllers for the hd's, and which are you trying to install debian on, and what is your default boot device in bios |
| 03:06.57 | thingfish | !doesn't work |
| 03:06.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:07.08 | jetscreamer | nick_oi: it's between grub, initrd(module loading order) grub, and udev |
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| 03:07.17 | jetscreamer | yeah it doesn't work |
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| 03:07.39 | jetscreamer | err |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | peterS: come back to sunday! |
| 03:07.54 | Dwonis | wtf is with the "sunday" theme? |
| 03:07.58 | jetscreamer | s/grub/2.6/ |
| 03:08.07 | nick_oi | well something about udev i think |
| 03:08.16 | thingfish | Dwonis: hang around in here on a sunday sometimes and see. |
| 03:08.17 | jetscreamer | 2.6, initrd(module loading order) grub, and udev |
| 03:08.19 | thingfish | *sometime |
| 03:08.32 | jetscreamer | Dwonis: see also #ubuntu on any day :) |
| 03:08.45 | abrotman | Dwonis: make sense now ? |
| 03:08.49 | Dwonis | lol |
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| 03:08.52 | Dwonis | yeah |
| 03:08.54 | daeos | #ubuntu is horrible....i used ubuntu for a while and nobody would answer jack |
| 03:08.56 | daeos | period |
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| 03:08.59 | thingfish | Dwonis: all the bad children who didn't go to church come in here and cause headaches. |
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| 03:09.13 | qwertz | what is best content management software to use? |
| 03:09.14 | abrotman | like that |
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| 03:10.22 | Dwonis | quite timely, actually |
| 03:10.29 | thingfish | kids these days... |
| 03:10.30 | abrotman | stupid freaking idiots |
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| 03:10.57 | Dwonis | why does debhelper set +m, anyway? That seems to be a bit of a DoS potential |
| 03:10.59 | jetscreamer | my cat likes to sit in my lap, and/or in my chair... the one i sit in. so, i got me a second chair, and i just move the one with the cat in it out of the way :) |
| 03:11.19 | sgantauarn | DCC CHAT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGHGAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 03:11.20 | sgantauarn | oops |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | nice |
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| 03:11.39 | abrotman | Dwonis: to keep people from doing stupid stuff |
| 03:11.43 | thingfish | why can't everything just go well... |
| 03:11.44 | jetscreamer | because they're spambots probably, Dwonis |
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| 03:12.00 | jetscreamer | multi-join flood |
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| 03:12.07 | Dwonis | all you who got kicked, what IRC client are you using? |
| 03:12.21 | thingfish | I mean, debian isn't even capitalist - why attack it? go hit red hat. |
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| 03:12.41 | abrotman | sgantauarn: that's not very nice |
| 03:12.52 | mike4479 | Hi guys I just got this game Robin hood for linux and the file is RH-demo.dmg dose anyone one know how to install this game please? |
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| 03:13.28 | Dwonis | mike4479: Are you sure it's not for MacOS X? |
| 03:13.30 | jetscreamer | dmg... i saw that format somewhere yesterday |
| 03:13.54 | popearz | I'm running sarge with php4, mysql4.1 phpmyadmin 2.8 all stable. Thinking of going to php5, testing. |
| 03:14.03 | popearz | yesh, dmg is a mac deal |
| 03:14.09 | Dwonis | orco: what irc client are you using? |
| 03:14.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 03:14.21 | abrotman | Dwonis: it has nothing to do with the irc client |
| 03:14.29 | thingfish | I priced some macs today...sheesh. |
| 03:14.41 | abrotman | thingfish: aren't you glad you're not a crackhead? :) |
| 03:14.42 | jetscreamer | heh... you don't do exploits on freenode w/o getting klined |
| 03:14.48 | Dwonis | abrotman: no? |
| 03:14.50 | thingfish | abrotman: damn straight. |
| 03:14.52 | popearz | I have a research budget so I can afford those overpriced boxes. |
| 03:14.55 | mike4479 | Dwonis: I got it here http://3ddownloads.com/Strategy/Robin%20Hood/Demos/RH-demo.dmg.gz;jsessionid=F075590A9A926036E60AD9C1415B9075 |
| 03:14.57 | jetscreamer | not even 'accidentally' |
| 03:14.58 | abrotman | Dwonis: read the archives at bloggage.org |
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| 03:15.16 | daeos | http://3ddownloads.com/Strategy/Robin%20Hood/Demos/RH-demo.dmg.gz;jsessionid=F075590A9A926036E60AD9C1415B9075 |
| 03:15.18 | main | is there a way to force installing a package |
| 03:15.20 | daeos | oops |
| 03:15.22 | daeos | sorry |
| 03:15.23 | abrotman | main: man dpkg |
| 03:15.24 | main | even if dependencies are not met? |
| 03:15.57 | Dwonis | mike: Nowhere do I see "Linux" mentioned |
| 03:16.36 | mike4479 | Dwonis: ya I think I got the wrong file |
| 03:17.23 | mike4479 | Dwonis: I think I need this one then rh-linux-demo-x86.run |
| 03:17.37 | Dwonis | mike4479: That looks more likely |
| 03:17.40 | abrotman | you think? |
| 03:18.02 | mike4479 | Dwonis: do you have any idea how I would install that one? |
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| 03:18.34 | stew | main: there is rarely a good reason to do that. why can't you just satisfy the dependencies? |
| 03:18.55 | Dwonis | mike4479: probably "chmod 755 rh-linux-demo-x86.run ; ./rh-linux-demo-x86.run", possibly as root |
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| 03:19.14 | mike4479 | Dwonis: ok thanks for the helping hand |
| 03:19.16 | Dwonis | mike4479: with the usual caveats about running arbitrary programs as root |
| 03:19.29 | main | stew: well |
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| 03:19.34 | Dwonis | mike4479: no problem |
| 03:19.36 | popearz | Thinking of going to php5.1 testing. Is it going to break my mysql and/or phpmyadmin (which are all older but stable on debian sarge) ? |
| 03:19.36 | main | i have a library installed of a higher version |
| 03:19.39 | thingfish | doesn't that seem like a file for red hat systems? |
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| 03:19.44 | popearz | or will I have to upgraad e those too. |
| 03:19.45 | popearz | ? |
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| 03:20.00 | main | stew: i have a higher versin of a library installed, and for some reason apt-get does not see it, what do you advise? |
| 03:20.29 | stew | main: did you install newer library using the debian packaging system? does this library bump the soname? |
| 03:20.39 | main | no, no |
| 03:20.46 | stew | main: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 03:20.50 | main | i dont use debian in fact, hehe |
| 03:20.55 | main | i just use apt-get, but im using suse |
| 03:20.57 | main | is that bad :) ? |
| 03:21.04 | stew | main: wrong channel, try #suse |
| 03:21.09 | thingfish | it's in poor taste. |
| 03:21.13 | main | they told me to talk to debian ppl |
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| 03:21.27 | stew | main: they shouldn't, your questions are off-topic here |
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| 03:21.38 | thingfish | he must have slipped in the service entrance. |
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| 03:22.48 | main | :) |
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| 03:23.47 | abrotman | wouldn't that technically be apt4rpm ? |
| 03:24.00 | peterS | main: here's the thing - while Debian wrote the apt-get system, we don't have anything to do with the actual packages you are using, and that's where your actual problem lies |
| 03:24.20 | peterS | not with apt-get but with the *things* you are apt-getting, I mean |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | they may have patched apt-get also |
| 03:24.43 | peterS | yes, quite so |
| 03:26.26 | Dwonis | abrotman: so you're saying that it's social engineering? in that case, I still don't get what sgantauarn did to cause a bunch of people to drop off |
| 03:26.32 | abrotman | peterS: thanks for hanging out on a great sunday! |
| 03:26.40 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 03:26.42 | abrotman | Dwonis: no .. you didn't read back far enough |
| 03:26.51 | abrotman | Dwonis: it's a router issue |
| 03:26.57 | peterS | o/` weather-wise it's such a lovely day... o/~ |
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| 03:27.12 | Dwonis | oh, is it the same as the startk*logger thing? |
| 03:27.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:27.23 | attabui | blah |
| 03:27.25 | Dwonis | you could have just said that :) |
| 03:27.32 | abrotman | didn't i ? |
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| 03:27.59 | abrotman | Dwonis: oh .. sorry :) |
| 03:28.23 | Dwonis | heh :) |
| 03:29.00 | Dwonis | I'll forgive you next time dpkg goes into a coma... |
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| 03:29.07 | abrotman | it's not my fault! |
| 03:29.21 | daeos | abrotman: thanks for you help, im log'n now |
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| 03:29.57 | Dwonis | abrotman: no no, I'll forgive you for *this*, next time dpkg dies... which shouldn't be long |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 03:30.09 | Dwonis | either that, or dpkg likes to die when I'm arount |
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| 03:30.31 | Dwonis | you're a bot, eh? is your AI DFSG-free? |
| 03:31.30 | peterS | abotman: you are not |
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| 03:31.46 | abrotman | peterS: are you disagreeing with me? |
| 03:31.59 | Dwonis | abrotman: no, he was talking to abotman |
| 03:32.13 | peterS | abortman: doh |
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| 03:32.27 | abrotman | peterS: it would be better . if i didn't highlight on abortman |
| 03:32.42 | peterS | ha, as if I didn't know you did that |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | oh .. i guess you would |
| 03:34.40 | popearz | Hi all |
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| 03:36.02 | kupo | HARRO EMERICAN INVESTAH |
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| 03:36.25 | abrotman | i can't even guess |
| 03:36.56 | aw | i'm trying to install ati radeon 3d on debian sid, amd64... anyone here can help? |
| 03:37.03 | unity | does anyone know if there is a way to extract all the text, not the formatting, from an ooffice 1.1.5 document, without ooffice? |
| 03:37.12 | abrotman | unity: strings ? |
| 03:37.20 | abrotman | or ask #openoffice.org ? |
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| 03:37.28 | stew | aw: which chipset? |
| 03:37.38 | unity | abrotman, i didn't get anything with strings except links and xml tags |
| 03:37.54 | unity | abrotman, but thanks anyway. openoffice channel is pretty quiet |
| 03:37.56 | peterS | unity: it's a gzipped xml file, I think, so anything that can pull text out of xml might be able to do it |
| 03:37.58 | abrotman | unity: so you're tellingme the the words in between the xml tags is binary data ? |
| 03:38.28 | abrotman | see .. this is why everyone should use vi! |
| 03:38.31 | aw | stew: obility Radeon 9600 M10 |
| 03:38.37 | Handy_Andy | #flood need help please i have emptied trash can but /dev/sdb1 capacity 16.1 gb but only 9mb free |
| 03:38.47 | abrotman | that's like a crippled mobility radeon 9600 M10 |
| 03:39.06 | peterS | oh I thought it was a radeon sold to the nobility |
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| 03:39.25 | jetscreamer | maybe clear out /tmp |
| 03:39.31 | jetscreamer | try du -h |
| 03:39.36 | andre_ | hello |
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| 03:39.38 | unity | abrotman, theres a big block of xml tags in the middle, and then on either side is nonprintable characters |
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| 03:39.50 | abrotman | unity: sounds like peterS was right |
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| 03:39.53 | aw | abrotman: exactly ;) |
| 03:39.57 | jetscreamer | Handy_Andy: try du -h |
| 03:39.58 | unity | peterS, and example of such a program, or a one-liner maybe? |
| 03:40.04 | Handy_Andy | k tk u |
| 03:40.08 | andre_ | how do you change grub so that it boots windows first |
| 03:40.10 | unity | peterS, because i have never used xml, sorry |
| 03:40.15 | stew | aw: you unfortunately need to use the non-free drivers to get 3d support on that chipset |
| 03:40.18 | peterS | unity: oh I don't know, I'm way out of the xml world, by choice |
| 03:40.24 | jetscreamer | Handy_Andy: you might also try apt-get clean |
| 03:40.29 | peterS | unity: it seems to me there was a recent program uploaded to unstable that could do what you want, though |
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| 03:40.41 | aw | stew... ok... i tried installing those, but i get 3 errors in the log |
| 03:40.49 | Handy_Andy | tk u so much |
| 03:40.52 | jetscreamer | man du btw |
| 03:40.55 | jetscreamer | np |
| 03:41.01 | jetscreamer | did it help? |
| 03:41.12 | guilherme-jorge | hello all, I installed NFS server in Debian 3.1, but it doesn't works fine. I installed nfs-user-server, nfs-common and portmap, but I got permission errors in any directories. Any idea? |
| 03:41.30 | guilherme-jorge | Are there any more package to install? |
| 03:41.38 | aw | stew: precomiled kernel module version mismatched and No kernel module build environment |
| 03:41.48 | liable | andre_: change the order in menu.lst or set defaults, sec i will find a url |
| 03:42.05 | andre_ | tyou liable |
| 03:42.16 | jetscreamer | anybody know why 2.6.16 breaks nvidia-binary? |
| 03:42.39 | abrotman | nvidia sucks ?> |
| 03:42.40 | peterS | jetscreamer: because they think it's so much fun to break nvidia binary modules |
| 03:42.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:42.54 | andre_ | anybody have prboblemes loading xwindow |
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| 03:43.07 | andre_ | that problemes |
| 03:43.08 | jetscreamer | abrotman: what vid card do you use |
| 03:43.12 | peery_ | hey everyone... I'm trying to install a debian machine and when i try to upgrade to either the 2.6.15-1 or 2.6.16-1 kernel using apt-get I get an error. /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs-kpkg: line 55: supported_host_version: unbound variable, mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image. |
| 03:43.17 | peery_ | anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:43.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: intel .. yay! |
| 03:43.22 | peery_ | I'm at a total loss |
| 03:43.23 | andre_ | ati all in wonder |
| 03:43.24 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:43.29 | jetscreamer | bnad opengl iirc |
| 03:43.30 | jetscreamer | bad |
| 03:43.32 | liable | andre_: this isnt exactly what you are after, but should give you an idea.. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
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| 03:43.39 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not at all .. works just fine for the games in debian |
| 03:43.43 | jetscreamer | or rather bad preformance form the drivers |
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| 03:43.48 | andre_ | tyou liable |
| 03:43.49 | jetscreamer | ah... 2d |
| 03:44.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: they're open drivers .. if they don't work well . i blame gravity |
| 03:44.12 | popearz | I want to install php5.1 testing over php4 stable, should I remove the ph4 first? |
| 03:44.15 | jetscreamer | how is it with q4 |
| 03:44.17 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:44.21 | jetscreamer | !blame gravity |
| 03:44.25 | liable | peery_: check the bts for that kernel |
| 03:44.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: never tried it .. should i? |
| 03:44.33 | jetscreamer | probably not |
| 03:44.40 | abrotman | probably a crappy game |
| 03:44.42 | peery_ | liable: bts? |
| 03:44.45 | jetscreamer | he |
| 03:44.46 | jetscreamer | h |
| 03:44.52 | jetscreamer | no seems ok'ish |
| 03:44.53 | abrotman | i wasn't joking |
| 03:45.00 | liable | peery_: bugs.debian.org |
| 03:45.14 | jetscreamer | q3, but just different |
| 03:45.15 | jetscreamer | sos |
| 03:45.19 | abrotman | q3? |
| 03:45.28 | jetscreamer | quake3 |
| 03:45.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: gran turismo 4 ? |
| 03:45.45 | jetscreamer | never have |
| 03:45.49 | abrotman | loser |
| 03:45.53 | jetscreamer | i do fps and some mmorpg |
| 03:46.00 | markw_ | gt4 rocks. |
| 03:46.02 | abrotman | tbh .. i actually have no idea where to download quake :) |
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| 03:46.22 | jetscreamer | it's opensource but the gamepaks arent |
| 03:46.26 | jetscreamer | just the engine |
| 03:46.27 | markw_ | fwiw, you can get the 1949 VW bug to 200+mph by pushing it with another car. :) |
| 03:46.30 | abrotman | get a PS2 |
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| 03:46.43 | abrotman | markw_: i'm not shocked :) |
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| 03:47.16 | Perdignus | Hello - Can someone suggest an easy to use (non NDIS Wrapper) wireless PCI network card for Linux please? |
| 03:47.20 | jetscreamer | holy shit 6.3 gig .mpg |
| 03:47.37 | jetscreamer | won't burn very well w/o dual layer media |
| 03:47.39 | abrotman | linux-wlan.org |
| 03:47.42 | peery_ | liable: hmmm... my queries aren't turning anything up. Any other ideas? |
| 03:47.42 | jetscreamer | which i don't have |
| 03:47.42 | cshaman | the longest porno ever |
| 03:47.42 | unity | maybe if i update to the newest openoffice...is there a clean way of doing so? |
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| 03:48.11 | shogunx | Perdignus anything with a prism or atheros chipset |
| 03:48.11 | jetscreamer | i know you can split .avi's , but how do you split .mpg's |
| 03:48.23 | Perdignus | thanks shogunx |
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| 03:48.54 | abrotman | !tell unity about backports |
| 03:48.55 | liable | Perdignus: there are several natively supported chipsets. http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz plus atheros and certain realtek chips |
| 03:49.00 | peery_ | liable: ahhh... stand corrected... found something |
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| 03:49.35 | shogunx | liable right but the prism and atheros are the only ones capable of doing more interesting things than client mode. |
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| 03:49.41 | Perdignus | thanks liable |
| 03:49.41 | liable | peery_: if its not related, file a bug yourself :) |
| 03:49.58 | liable | shogunx: he didnt ask that :) |
| 03:50.10 | peery_ | liable: no... it's exactly the problem that I'm having. I'm assuming that if there was a fix it would indicate that somehow |
| 03:50.22 | peery_ | liable: and since it doesn... there must not be a fix |
| 03:50.23 | abrotman | there are more interesting things than client mode? |
| 03:50.33 | liable | peery_: yes, if there was a patch, it would be there. wait a bit i guess. |
| 03:50.43 | shogunx | liable why send someone down a wrong path to enlightenment :) |
| 03:51.03 | popearz | Am I visible here? |
| 03:51.04 | peery_ | liable: can't... this is a server machine. I guess we'll have to try a different distro :-( |
| 03:51.04 | liable | abrotman: ap mode, bridge and more the latest madwifi code does some interesting shit :) |
| 03:51.06 | zorzella | anyone knows if there's seamonkey DEBs out there? |
| 03:51.13 | nshb | I get an error when I set "liveonrails" as my hostname within /etc/hostname.. when I boot up I get the error saying "unable to lookup liveonrails via gethostbyname()" |
| 03:51.27 | liable | peery_: compile one without initrd support.. |
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| 03:51.35 | H2OyJaBoN | hello |
| 03:51.36 | peterS | zorzella: seamonkey was just called 'mozilla-browser' until recently, those packages are certainly available |
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| 03:52.13 | liable | popearz: yes |
| 03:52.20 | H2OyJaBoN | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.47 | peterS | H2OyJaBoN: I think it already tries, for a few minutes |
| 03:52.50 | popearz | Thank liable. |
| 03:53.03 | peterS | H2OyJaBoN: if your outage is longer than that, eventually it gives up |
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| 03:53.30 | abrotman | liable: you lie! |
| 03:53.34 | neo_ | Hello |
| 03:53.37 | liable | abrotman: never! |
| 03:53.45 | abrotman | liable: sheeplover! |
| 03:53.53 | liable | abrotman: shhh!! |
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| 03:54.07 | neo_ | I need to find out how to add a command to startup |
| 03:54.14 | abrotman | H2OyJaBoN: should be in the man page |
| 03:54.36 | unity | abrotman, in case you are wondering, i found a solution: open the .odt file with a tar.gz program and you will get a bunch of files including content.xml and that file has the text in it |
| 03:54.38 | peterS | abrotman: that's an incomplete answer as he probably doesn't know which binary is responsible for pppoe |
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| 03:54.47 | peterS | (pppd) |
| 03:54.49 | H2OyJaBoN | peterS, ok! |
| 03:54.55 | neo_ | Anyone? |
| 03:54.55 | H2OyJaBoN | abrotman, i'm reading... =) |
| 03:54.56 | abrotman | peterS: he doesn't ? |
| 03:55.15 | abrotman | unity: i thought you wanted to do that via command line ? |
| 03:55.34 | liable | abrotman: why you say i lie? |
| 03:55.35 | peterS | there's a "pppoe" manpage but that's for the pppoe binary which most people probably don't use now that kernel 2.4 is commonly installed |
| 03:55.42 | unity | peterS, thanks a lot for the hints about gzipped xml |
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| 03:55.56 | abrotman | liable: i've seen the way australians play baseball! |
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| 03:56.04 | unity | abrotman, i would have wanted to do it any way possible; my essay is due tomorrow and it's almost midnight! |
| 03:56.09 | liable | abrotman: its called cricket! |
| 03:56.10 | abrotman | unity: oh ok |
| 03:56.25 | abrotman | liable: funny .. could have sworn there was an australian baseball team in the WBC :) |
| 03:57.14 | liable | !bah |
| 03:57.14 | dpkg | bah is, like, everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 03:57.23 | liable | meh |
| 03:57.40 | neo_ | !heh |
| 03:57.40 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
| 03:57.56 | liable | abrotman: they are the ones that weren't any good at cricket. |
| 03:58.36 | neo_ | punctation? Hi heh my name is Jo Satriani heh |
| 03:58.53 | Stevie | haha |
| 03:59.01 | abrotman | liable: luckily for you .. they're good at baseball |
| 03:59.05 | Dwonis | unity, abrotman: .odt is in .zip format, not .tar.gz |
| 03:59.13 | abrotman | Dwonis: i use vi! |
| 03:59.20 | zorzella | peterS, (sorry I got pulled away from the keyboard), apt-cache policy mozilla-browser tells me that 2.1.7.12 (what I have) is the latest available. Seamonkey changed numbering also (to 1.0.0)... |
| 03:59.31 | Dwonis | abrotman: which vi? |
| 03:59.38 | liable | abrotman: actually, i couldnt care :) |
| 03:59.57 | liable | mc?? |
| 04:00.12 | peterS | zorzella: yeah, seamonkey has always been the name of the mozilla browser. the separate fork is a lot newer and I don't know where packages are available for that. |
| 04:00.20 | abrotman | Dwonis: the one that works! |
| 04:00.30 | Dwonis | odinnet.ath.cx doesn't resolve |
| 04:00.44 | abrotman | i'm shocked .. dpkg has an out of date factoid |
| 04:00.48 | zorzella | peterS, seamonkey 1.0.0 is really what I'm after... I can't find anything on apt-get.org, or googling site:debian.org... |
| 04:00.49 | abrotman | dpkg: call the police |
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| 04:01.03 | peterS | zorzella: the 'seamonkey' name was not very well known until firefox made it necessary to distinguish between the two browsers built on mozilla code |
| 04:01.35 | peterS | zorzella: anyway, apt-get.org is your best bet, if it's not there I don't know where you should look |
| 04:01.53 | zorzella | peterS, I know all about it... But that release (1.0.0) is from Jan... And we're in March, already |
| 04:02.52 | peterS | I don't recall seeing it in debian unstable yet. I have no idea what level of interest there is in packaging it, but apparently not enough yet |
| 04:02.59 | Dwonis | zorzella, this is Debian, you have to mention the _year_ when you're talking about when something was released |
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| 04:03.36 | jlhenry | Hi all |
| 04:03.37 | zorzella | Dwonis, that is not true for sid/testing, though, yes, I'm not talking about sarge |
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| 04:03.47 | jlhenry | When I do a apt-get install ... whaterver |
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| 04:03.59 | abrotman | wait for it ... |
| 04:04.03 | jlhenry | My blue screen (asking question) is fucked up! |
| 04:04.23 | jlhenry | keep like scroolling |
| 04:04.26 | jlhenry | .... :/ |
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| 04:04.36 | liable | jlhenry: sid? |
| 04:04.45 | jlhenry | stable but.... |
| 04:05.10 | jlhenry | stable but once, I had done an upgrade with testing |
| 04:05.23 | Dwonis | it's like drooling, but when a computer does it |
| 04:05.37 | SJr|nx | I put debian on my notebook, a Presario 900 US (yes I know), in anycase I can't put it in standby, as it just goes to sleep, and then when I try and wake it, it turns on but nothing comes on the screen. If I try to use suspend 2, I get a kernel panic. |
| 04:05.38 | SJr|nx | Any ideas? |
| 04:05.59 | abrotman | Dwonis: it happens after a few beers |
| 04:06.17 | Dwonis | heh |
| 04:06.32 | liable | SJr|nx: checked linuxonlaptops/tuxmobil? |
| 04:06.42 | SJr|nx | nope |
| 04:06.53 | liable | go! |
| 04:07.04 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 04:07.04 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 04:07.31 | SJr|nx | !suspend |
| 04:07.31 | dpkg | hmm... suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 04:07.38 | SJr|nx | lol |
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| 04:10.48 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 04:10.49 | jetscreamer | which |
| 04:10.59 | jetscreamer | 2nd |
| 04:11.01 | Dwonis | I think it has 1 'u' |
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| 04:11.06 | liable | first! |
| 04:11.12 | Dwonis | or none, if you're american |
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| 04:11.23 | zOrK | How Could I set up wireless ? |
| 04:11.24 | jetscreamer | i'm texan, not american gdit! |
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| 04:11.42 | liable | second! |
| 04:11.42 | zOrK | How I could know if my Wireless Driver Has been recognized? |
| 04:11.43 | endeavormac | is there a file which shows logins and login attempts? |
| 04:11.52 | SJr|nx | Actually abrotman according to the guide for my notebook |
| 04:11.59 | liable | endeavormac: auth.log |
| 04:12.05 | SJr|nx | it says the ultimate place for solutions, is |
| 04:12.06 | endeavormac | thanks |
| 04:12.09 | SJr|nx | #debian @ freenode. |
| 04:12.11 | liable | zOrK: iwconfig |
| 04:12.22 | Dwonis | endeavormac: also, if you want to see actual logins, you can run "last" |
| 04:12.43 | rigel | i'm on a windows box trying to ssh into my debian box with putty |
| 04:12.50 | endeavormac | Mar 27 06:25:01 su[7043]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 04:12.51 | rigel | and i keep getting access denied |
| 04:12.55 | rigel | even though its the right pw |
| 04:12.57 | zOrK | liable I cant see anything on iwconfig.. |
| 04:13.01 | endeavormac | nevermind |
| 04:13.06 | endeavormac | i'm going to go find a page which can explain this file to me |
| 04:13.06 | rigel | also, my host key changed without warning. |
| 04:13.09 | Crell | Greetings. I've an annoying issue with my NIC. My Sarge box was shut down improperly this morning, after being up nearly a year. :-( After it rebooted, it refused to locate the ethernet card. |
| 04:13.10 | endeavormac | thanks |
| 04:13.10 | liable | zOrK: then your card isnt detected. |
| 04:13.12 | peterS | SJr|nx: someone overcommitted us, I guess |
| 04:13.20 | SJr|nx | :P |
| 04:13.23 | SJr|nx | hmmmmm |
| 04:13.24 | zOrK | liable: Ok, how Can i detect it automatically? |
| 04:13.32 | Dwonis | rigel: uh oh |
| 04:13.37 | liable | zOrK: load the correct driver for it |
| 04:13.40 | Crell | I've tried moving the card to another slot, and getting a new card. I've recompiled the kernel (although just the modules involved). No luch. |
| 04:13.42 | Crell | luck. |
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| 04:13.54 | Dwonis | rigel: You might be connecting to the wrong host, or DNS might be messed up, or you just gave your password to an attacker :) |
| 04:14.04 | Crell | Right now, it refuses to modprobe the kernel module I built that is right where it is supposed to be, and matches what lspci says is there. |
| 04:14.10 | Crell | I'm out of ideas. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:14.30 | Dwonis | Crell: depmod -a ? |
| 04:14.30 | zOrK | liable ok .. How Can I see my adecuated driver? |
| 04:14.32 | rigel | dwonis: i was connecting to the right ip |
| 04:14.36 | rigel | i had checked it |
| 04:14.44 | rigel | and i can change my pw, no prob |
| 04:14.56 | rigel | but i cant login to my debian box from my windows box |
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| 04:15.04 | Dwonis | is this on a local LAN? |
| 04:15.09 | rigel | no |
| 04:15.19 | rigel | both machines are in front of me but theyre on different networks |
| 04:15.22 | liable | zOrK: what have you done to get the drivers for this card?? |
| 04:15.22 | Stevie | so it's a Wide WAN? ;-) |
| 04:15.24 | Crell | Dwonis: No change. |
| 04:15.39 | liable | !nickometer |||sLaSh||| |
| 04:15.41 | dpkg | '|||sLaSh|||' is 99.9259% lame, liable |
| 04:15.47 | peterS | Stevie: not necessarily, could be a metropolitan MAN |
| 04:16.03 | Stevie | haha |
| 04:16.21 | Dwonis | rigel: well, assuming somebody *isn't* executing some kind of man-in-the-middle attack... |
| 04:16.29 | Dwonis | rigel: what does "grep -i password /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep -v ^#" on the linux box say? |
| 04:16.38 | peterS | Stevie: I actually have no idea what the distinction is between a WAN and a MAN but I have heard the latter term at least once |
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| 04:16.56 | Dwonis | MAN: metropolitan area network |
| 04:17.00 | Perdignus | Why don't I see any references to the atheros driver in the kernel "Wireless LAN" area? |
| 04:17.12 | Dwonis | peterS: no difference as far as software is concerned, I think |
| 04:17.13 | liable | Perdignus: cause its not in the kernel? |
| 04:17.15 | rigel | PermitEmptyPasswords no |
| 04:17.15 | rigel | PasswordAuthentication no |
| 04:17.15 | Perdignus | WAN MAN Thank you LAN |
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| 04:17.26 | liable | heh |
| 04:17.27 | Dwonis | rigel: and you're trying to use password authentication? |
| 04:17.36 | rigel | why would it have changed like that? |
| 04:17.45 | rigel | i'd been using it fine up until this afternoon |
| 04:17.48 | liable | challengeresponse is the one innit?? |
| 04:17.56 | Dwonis | liable: oh right |
| 04:18.11 | peterS | I think for arbitrarily long links we need a Finite Area Network |
| 04:18.12 | Dwonis | rigel: try this: grep -i pam /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep -v ^# |
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| 04:18.24 | liable | Dwonis: has always confused me. |
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| 04:18.52 | Dwonis | liable: UsePasswordAuthentication is similar to HTTP authentication over SSL : the password it sent in the "clear" over the SSH tunnel |
| 04:18.55 | peterS | so like grep -i ^usepam /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 04:19.30 | liable | Dwonis: oh |
| 04:19.31 | Dwonis | liable: UsePam is interactive (every individual keypress), but SSH password authentication takes the whole password, and uses a different protocol |
| 04:19.34 | aw | if my kernel is the prebuilt 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic, what's the corresponding header package? linux-headers-2.6-amd64-generic? |
| 04:19.55 | Dwonis | peterS: yes, that'd work too |
| 04:20.13 | Dwonis | root: you shouldn't use IRC as root |
| 04:20.15 | liable | aw: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 04:20.23 | peterS | Dwonis: he should know that too, he's freenode staff |
| 04:20.26 | rigel | UsePAM yes |
| 04:20.42 | Dwonis | rigel: hmm. |
| 04:20.54 | aw | liable: right, but: E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 04:20.59 | rigel | do i need to change PasswordAuthentication to yes? |
| 04:21.07 | Dwonis | rigel: you shouldn't need to |
| 04:21.09 | root | Dwonis: hah |
| 04:21.15 | aw | liable: the closest i see is linux-headers-2.6-amd64-generic |
| 04:21.19 | root | Dwonis: I root as irc |
| 04:21.25 | root | Dwonis: I dont irc as root |
| 04:21.34 | Dwonis | heh |
| 04:21.39 | peterS | UDontKnow that |
| 04:21.45 | liable | aw: ok. dunno about 64, try it i guess |
| 04:21.55 | aw | liable: k... ty |
| 04:22.13 | liable | aw: thats the only headers package? |
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| 04:22.26 | Dwonis | rigel: Did you change anything in /etc/pam.d, or do an upgrade recently? |
| 04:22.36 | aw | liable: no, there are for 2.6.15 and .16 but not for 11 |
| 04:22.50 | rigel | no dwonis |
| 04:23.03 | aw | liable: most likely cuz i installed sid with a sarge cd... |
| 04:23.20 | liable | aw: 2.6.8-11?? try snapshot.debian.net or upgrade kernel |
| 04:23.45 | aw | liable: i'll upgrade.... ty |
| 04:23.55 | Dwonis | rigel: well... I doubt it was working before then, unless you changed *something* |
| 04:24.08 | rigel | it was working before |
| 04:24.11 | Dwonis | rigel: In PuTTY, make sure you choose to use the SSH protocol "version 2" |
| 04:24.15 | liable | TM |
| 04:24.20 | nrdb | Hi I am trying to use DHCP to change the address of a computer. I was 192.168.0.x. I changed the config for DHCP to set the IP address to 192.168.3.1 based on MAC address but the computer is still getting the old address! can anyone help? |
| 04:24.25 | rigel | i havent changed anything in my settings on either machine |
| 04:24.31 | jetscreamer | hey when you do an apt-get update wtf does IGN mean |
| 04:24.47 | LordNazgul | jetscreamer it means that the source was ignoured |
| 04:24.50 | Dwonis | rigel: you have to appreciate how little it helps me when you say that |
| 04:24.53 | LordNazgul | *ignored |
| 04:24.53 | jetscreamer | and i just say my first ERR |
| 04:24.56 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 04:25.01 | Crell | Dwonis: Any other ideas? depmod -a had no effect. |
| 04:25.10 | jetscreamer | but i can guess what ERR means :) |
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| 04:25.28 | LordNazgul | jetscreamer im betting you are right |
| 04:25.33 | Dwonis | Crell: could you give some more specific details? |
| 04:25.52 | peterS | nrdb: debian's dhcp servers aren't really different from the ISC's code - so you can probably find better help on writing a dhcpd.conf elsewhere |
| 04:26.11 | peterS | nrdb: you can post your existing dhcpd.conf on a paste site if you want and I'll look at it |
| 04:26.12 | Crell | Dwonis: The present configuration: lcpci reports a Via Rhine III NIC. |
| 04:26.26 | Crell | My kernel is compiled with via_rhine as a module. |
| 04:26.39 | Crell | modprobe via_rhine reports "via_rhine not found". |
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| 04:27.14 | liable | Crell: does the module actually exist? |
| 04:27.15 | Dwonis | Crell: ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko |
| 04:27.15 | peterS | Crell: it's via-rhine not via_rhine. though with 2.6 kernels the two are considered equivalent |
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| 04:28.18 | nrdb | peterS: have a look at http://pastebin.com/626369 |
| 04:28.36 | Crell | OK, why would it not be there after I just compiled it? |
| 04:28.57 | Dwonis | Crell: did you *install* it? or, perhaps did you install one for a different kernel version? |
| 04:29.23 | MadRush | offhand, anyone know if/where i can find a log for dpkg? |
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| 04:29.47 | rigel | damn |
| 04:29.49 | peterS | nrdb: hmmm, that entry looks fine to me. did you issue a reload or restart to the dhcpd after changing it? |
| 04:29.53 | rigel | i killed sshd and tried to login again |
| 04:29.57 | peterS | nrdb: assuming of course that the MAC address is correct (: |
| 04:29.58 | rigel | and it still gave me a login prompt |
| 04:30.02 | Dwonis | #MadRush: I don't think |
| 04:30.04 | Dwonis | rigel: heh |
| 04:30.06 | liable | MadRush: latter versions, in /var/log/ |
| 04:30.18 | Crell | Dwonis: make-kpkg, and then installed the resulting deb file, then rebooted. |
| 04:30.18 | Dwonis | crap, I should really learn that prefixing stuff with # in IRC doesn't constitute a comment |
| 04:30.21 | MadRush | ok. i hope mine qualifies as a later version, or im borked :) |
| 04:30.21 | liable | MadRush: the app or bot? |
| 04:30.28 | MadRush | the app |
| 04:30.31 | Crell | This is a 2.6.10 kernel, if that matters. |
| 04:30.35 | Dwonis | Crell: did you point your bootloader to the new kernel? |
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| 04:30.46 | Dwonis | "uname -r" shows what kernel you're *actually* running |
| 04:30.47 | peterS | nrdb: I guess it's a compaq laptop..? |
| 04:30.48 | nrdb | peterS: I double checked it the MAC address, I have restarted both dhcp and named. |
| 04:30.59 | Crell | I was running 2.6.10 before, too. |
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| 04:31.21 | nrdb | peterS: good guess, how did you know? |
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| 04:31.31 | liable | Crell: compile and append to the name. |
| 04:31.32 | Crell | And the deb installer is supposed to update grub accordingly. It always has in the past. |
| 04:31.34 | peterS | nrdb: magic (: actually 00:50:8B is assigned to Compaq (: |
| 04:31.35 | Dwonis | *just* 2.6.10? Not 2.6.10-something-something_else? |
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| 04:31.46 | Crell | 2.6.10 downloaded from kernel.org directly. |
| 04:31.53 | peterS | nrdb: check syslog on the server I guess, to make sure dhcpd isn't complaining about one thing or another. /var/log/syslog |
| 04:31.53 | Crell | Back when 2.6.10 was current. :-) |
| 04:31.58 | Dwonis | heh :) |
| 04:32.34 | liable | Crell: what did dpkg say when it installed it? anything about modules dir? |
| 04:32.35 | nrdb | peterS: doing good to notice, will check log back in a minute. |
| 04:33.07 | peterS | nrdb: if you install the ethereal-common package, you get a /usr/share/ethereal/manuf where you can look up ethernet card vendors and their MAC prefixes. useful for impressing random #debian people sometimes |
| 04:33.26 | Crell | liable: Yes, it said it was moving the old one out of the way, so please reboot soon. |
| 04:33.36 | Crell | I'd upgrade the kernel if I could get it on here, but that requires a net connection. :-) |
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| 04:34.46 | Crell | Hm. Maybe if I do a make-kpkg clean, then rebuild? |
| 04:35.07 | liable | Crell: --append-to-version if you remake |
| 04:35.07 | Dwonis | Crell: you could use dpkg-deb -c to see if the file is in the package you installed |
| 04:35.08 | Crell | Will take a while, though. It's just a PII/400. :-) |
| 04:35.17 | peej | very interesting, readable take on patent war protection/mono on slashdot http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/03/27/1826219.shtml - is what that guy saying basically correct? we should be safe from patent attacks now? |
| 04:35.48 | Crell | Dwonis: Well, that listed a crapload of files ls-style. |
| 04:35.56 | peej | whoops, make that url: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=181434&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=15005747 |
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| 04:35.59 | Dwonis | Crell: | less ? |
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| 04:37.10 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- what is 384kbps in kbytes? |
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| 04:37.29 | peterS | SexyKen: divide by 8 |
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| 04:38.14 | peej | peterS : or 9 if error correction is there? dunno, just asking. |
| 04:38.35 | Crell | What are we looking for, Dwonis? |
| 04:38.45 | Dwonis | Crell: via-rhine? |
| 04:38.58 | peterS | peej: well, yeah, kbit/s normally implies a raw bandwidth which you will not actually see when shoving bytes around. the amount of overhead depends on the line protocol |
| 04:39.04 | Crell | 3 vias, but no via-rhine. |
| 04:39.11 | Crell | I'm going to do a full clean and rebuild. |
| 04:39.44 | Dwonis | Crell: have fun :) |
| 04:39.53 | Crell | See you in a few hours. :-) |
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| 04:40.40 | roby | €I can not install samba for etch, amd 64: The following packages have unmet dependencies: samba: Depends: libcupsys2 (>= 1.1.23-1) but it is not installable ... am I doing something wrong or should I file a bug report? |
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| 04:41.23 | nrdb | peterS: did a full reset on the computer, nothing in the logs extept that it is still saying its giving the wrong IP? |
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| 04:42.16 | liable | roby: broken depends, might as well file a bug if no one has. |
| 04:42.42 | peterS | nrdb: wish I had a clue what to try next |
| 04:42.57 | nrdb | peterS: same here |
| 04:43.10 | peterS | nrdb: if you can, try commenting out the subnet declaration entirely, so that *only* the compaq laptop is supposed to get an IP |
| 04:43.25 | peterS | nrdb: I say "if you can" because you may have a full network relying on your dhcp server being operational |
| 04:43.38 | peterS | nrdb: which brings me to the question of whether you are sure there is only *one* DHCP server on your subnet....... |
| 04:43.38 | roby | liable: thanks |
| 04:44.09 | shogunx | nrdb symptoms again? no dhcp to a certain host? |
| 04:44.09 | Dwonis | Note: liable isn't |
| 04:44.36 | nrdb | peterS: yes there is only one, I will try comenting out the section temperary. |
| 04:44.50 | peterS | nrdb: right, just to see what it will do (I didn't mean that as a permanent solution) |
| 04:45.19 | nrdb | shogunx: trying to change the IP from being dynamic 192.168.0.x to static 192.168.3.1 |
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| 04:45.23 | liable | Dwonis: huh? |
| 04:45.39 | Dwonis | liable: you're never yourself |
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| 04:46.05 | liable | Dwonis: this is irc after all! |
| 04:46.13 | shogunx | and you want a dhcp lease to do this? |
| 04:46.34 | shogunx | what happens when you watch the traffic with a packet sniffer? |
| 04:47.45 | powergoal | I set up my Debian installation on two partions: / & /home. I also installed Windows XP on a partition. The fourth partition I have is a swap area for linux. The Windows Partition is ntfs and I want to have some FAT32 area for transfer between OS's. The hard drive maxes out at 4 partitions. Can I copy all the data from my /home partition and place it on my / partition and still have it work? |
| 04:47.56 | nrdb | peterS: do you know the comment character |
| 04:48.01 | shogunx | wait. nrdb: do you have an interface for 192.168.3.0/24 on the dhcp server? |
| 04:48.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 04:48.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:48.14 | peterS | nrdb: I use # |
| 04:48.20 | liable | powergoal: sure, dont forget to edit fstab |
| 04:48.26 | peterS | shogunx: see http://pastebin.com/626369 |
| 04:48.30 | peterS | shogunx: that's what he has on the server |
| 04:48.48 | liable | powergoal: why not make logical partitions? |
| 04:48.52 | powergoal | liable: what is fstab, and where do I find it? |
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| 04:49.08 | Crell | powergoal: /etc/fstab |
| 04:49.10 | Dwonis | powergoal: don't forget to use the "-a" option for cp |
| 04:49.25 | Crell | It's the file that defines what partitions get mounted to where in the file system. "File system table". |
| 04:49.42 | Dwonis | powergoal: also, if you want more than 4 partitions, you can create an "extended partition", and put multiple "logical partitions" inside it |
| 04:49.44 | nrdb | shogunx: its just a IP address I don't think I need a particular interface for it. |
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| 04:50.48 | Dwonis | Hamled: "Erp" ? |
| 04:50.48 | nrdb | peterS: the '#' doesn't seem to be working |
| 04:50.58 | Hamled | means something went wrong |
| 04:51.00 | peterS | nrdb: hmmm I wonder if you're editing the wrong file then |
| 04:51.05 | shogunx | if you do not have an interface (real: eth0 or virtual eth0:1 ) for the 192.168.3.0/24 network that the laptop is trying to connect to, then you will not make a connection. |
| 04:51.20 | powergoal | liable: so if I copy all the data from /home and then edit out the /home partition from fstab, I can delete the partition and write in some FAT32 space where it was without any risk? |
| 04:51.22 | peterS | nrdb: the 'dhcp3-server' package uses /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, but debian also ships ISC DHCP v2 |
| 04:51.48 | Dwonis | powergoal: if you do it *properly* it should work fine. |
| 04:52.01 | Dwonis | powergoal: if you mess something up, then obviously it could be bad |
| 04:52.05 | powergoal | its that *properly* that concerns me... |
| 04:52.12 | shogunx | change 192.168.3.1 in that instance to 192.168.0.23 or so, and see if it works |
| 04:52.30 | liable | powergoal: yes. you will need to umount it from /home then remount on another mount point, then copy it to /home on the / partition |
| 04:52.59 | powergoal | why would I need to unmount first? |
| 04:53.19 | liable | cause you cant copy from /home to /home? |
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| 04:53.30 | powergoal | this is true. |
| 04:53.30 | powergoal | haha |
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| 04:53.44 | powergoal | well, here goes... |
| 04:53.47 | powergoal | Thanks for your help! |
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| 04:54.13 | nrdb | peterS: shogunx: I am giving up I will just set without DHCP |
| 04:54.15 | weasel00 | so i was coding in C++ the otherday an... =) |
| 04:54.23 | Dwonis | boo! |
| 04:54.29 | peterS | nrdb: yeah that's the other way. I wonder what's up with your config though |
| 04:54.49 | peterS | nrdb: which of dhcp-server and dhcp3-server are you using? 'dpkg -l' will know |
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| 04:55.18 | Dwonis | of course, I shouldn't complaing about C++... My income consists mostly of writing PHP code... *shudder* |
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| 04:55.30 | nrdb | peterS: so do i, the init file says its using /etc/dhcpd.conf |
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| 04:56.24 | weasel00 | Dwonis : channel went into a riot a few hours ago over that... it was a mess |
| 04:56.44 | Dwonis | !c++ |
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| 04:57.14 | peterS | nrdb: right, the 'dhcp' package does indeed use /etc/dhcpd.conf. 'dhcp3-server' is what I use, that uses /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 04:57.19 | powergoal | liable: I tried to umount /home but it hits back with device is busy. I have closed all xterms running in user modes and closed all programs. any ideas? |
| 04:57.50 | Dwonis | powergoal: you probably have to kill X altogether |
| 04:57.54 | powergoal | liable: I take that back, xterm is running as a user, how do fix that? |
| 04:57.54 | liable | powergoal: edit fstab first, kill x, mount -a and try |
| 04:58.03 | powergoal | ok |
| 04:58.03 | Dwonis | powergoal: the best thing to do would be to enter single-user mode: "shutdown now" |
| 04:58.03 | liable | as root |
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| 04:58.40 | Dwonis | I think... "shutdown now" enters single-user mode, right? |
| 04:58.53 | peterS | nrdb: oh the other thing - if you're testing by doing 'ipconfig /renew' or something (that's the windows command), dhcpd might be allowing the machine to renew its IP without actually checking the subnet. as opposed to getting a brand new lease. |
| 04:58.53 | liable | no, it .. shuts down.. |
| 04:59.04 | Dwonis | liable: I thought that was shutdown -h now |
| 04:59.28 | powergoal | what if I change fstab to mount /home to a different location and then copy it over |
| 04:59.38 | liable | Dwonis: actually, you may be right and i cant be arsed reading man page |
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| 04:59.55 | nrdb | peterS: I was using "sudo if{up/down} eth0" and I tried a reset once. |
| 05:00.07 | Dwonis | powergoal: that sounds reasonable |
| 05:00.16 | peterS | nrdb: ah so the laptop is debian too. hmmm that should've worked |
| 05:00.40 | Dwonis | powergoal: just make sure what you *think* happened *actually* happened, at various places |
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| 05:00.46 | nrdb | peterS: don't I know it. :( |
| 05:00.46 | liable | powergoal: if you just remove the /home line, it should make /home on / |
| 05:01.12 | Dwonis | ah... laptops... love 'em |
| 05:01.29 | peterS | oh well, I guess I'll move on to trying to fix this stupid local security hole in my rather popular package |
| 05:01.40 | powergoal | ok |
| 05:01.40 | peterS | something I probably should have been working harder on in the past few hours than I have |
| 05:01.46 | Dwonis | peterS: which package? |
| 05:01.51 | shogunx | nrdb: does the dhcp server have a route to 192.168.3.0/24? |
| 05:02.09 | peterS | Dwonis: well the actual affected binary package may not be too popular, it's the apache2 subversion server module |
| 05:02.13 | peterS | Dwonis: the source package is subversion |
| 05:02.41 | Dwonis | sigh. svnserve isn't affected, is it? |
| 05:02.46 | peterS | nope |
| 05:02.53 | peterS | just libapache2-svn. http://bugs.debian.org/359234 |
| 05:03.08 | peterS | it's my own fault, it was a bug I've known about for a long time but was just too lazy to fix |
| 05:03.10 | nrdb | shogunx: I am going to be putting both 192.168.0.0/24 and 192.168.3.1 on eth0 |
| 05:03.17 | peterS | then suddenly because of other factors it is now a security problem |
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| 05:04.08 | Dwonis | has the DSA gone out for that? |
| 05:04.19 | peterS | Dwonis: no, it only affects unstable |
| 05:04.32 | peterS | not sarge and not even testing |
| 05:04.43 | shogunx | nrdb but they are not so now? |
| 05:04.47 | Dwonis | ah, right... wow, so it's even worse than I thought |
| 05:04.50 | peterS | I don't think they usually bother with DSAs only for unstable |
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| 05:05.06 | peterS | also, I have to fix the bug before it would be possible to issue one (: |
| 05:05.09 | Dwonis | I'm subscribed to debian-security-announce, and it's really quite depressing |
| 05:05.17 | Dwonis | not that Debian's any worse than anybody else |
| 05:05.21 | nrdb | shogunx: still trying to change the ip of one computer |
| 05:05.24 | peterS | Supaplex: well, we know where to tell them to shove it when they do (: |
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| 05:05.32 | Supaplex | agreed! |
| 05:06.16 | peterS | Dwonis: I think it only affects 1.3.0-4 so if you hadn't upgraded in the past few days you're fine |
| 05:06.25 | peterS | I'm not sure though, it might affect 1.3.0-3 too |
| 05:06.35 | Supaplex | dpkg: be chicken little |
| 05:06.35 | dpkg | security bugs in unstable oh my! the sky IS falling! HELP! |
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| 05:07.14 | liable | hehe, havent seen that one :) |
| 05:07.14 | powergoal | well, when I tried to mount /home in a new location, it wouldnt take, it kept it as /home anyway. I am now making a backup of /home as /.home |
| 05:07.22 | peterS | also, it's local, not remote. the attacker has to have an account, be able to write to /tmp, and you have to restart apache2 *after* system boot in order to be affected |
| 05:07.23 | Supaplex | I just added it. =) |
| 05:07.25 | Dwonis | what is RPATH, anyway? |
| 05:07.49 | peterS | Dwonis: it's a hard-coded list of directories that a binary or library directs the runtime system to check for dependent libraries |
| 05:07.50 | powergoal | when I boot up next time, is there a way to keep it in the command prompt mode instead of going into the loader screen? |
| 05:08.08 | shogunx | nrdb: ifconfig eth0 192.168.3.1 up |
| 05:08.08 | peterS | Dwonis: on Debian they are generally considered unnecessary and occasionally harmful. I was hoping this one would be harmless because it's hard to fix |
| 05:08.33 | liable | powergoal: remove your dm for now. did you actually get to umount /home |
| 05:08.35 | peterS | Dwonis: preferred over RPATH is /etc/ld.so.conf and the hard-coded list already contained in /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 05:08.35 | Dwonis | peterS: so, it's an ld.so thing? |
| 05:08.38 | peterS | yes |
| 05:08.45 | powergoal | I couldnt unmount /home |
| 05:08.59 | Dwonis | peterS: hmm.. I thought it was LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 05:09.16 | powergoal | liable: what do you mean "remove your dm"? |
| 05:09.23 | peterS | Dwonis: rpath is embedded inside the binary/library itself. LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the same thing except as an environment variable. |
| 05:10.09 | liable | powergoal: gdm, kdm, wdm, xdm .. |
| 05:10.23 | Dwonis | peterS: oh, I think I get it |
| 05:10.37 | liable | powergoal: or remove the symlinks or just boot single user mode, but just remove the dm is prolly easier for you |
| 05:10.49 | powergoal | how do I do that? |
| 05:10.57 | liable | apt-get?? |
| 05:11.07 | Dwonis | Why does Debian's ld.so even support RPATH? |
| 05:11.51 | peterS | Dwonis: there are uses for it. for example if you ship a binary with one or more shared libraries but don't think anyone else will ever want to use those libraries, you can put them in /usr/lib/foo to keep them out of everyone's way |
| 05:12.02 | peterS | Dwonis: then put /usr/lib/foo in your binaries' rpath |
| 05:12.19 | Supaplex | for fun and profit, what else? ;) |
| 05:12.46 | Dwonis | peterS: or, you can do what firefox and openoffice.org do, and write a wrapper script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 05:13.00 | peterS | Dwonis: well that's the other solution. I think rpath is actually more elegant. |
| 05:13.27 | peterS | Dwonis: the problem here is that when libtool builds stuff, it uses rpath extensively to make sure something can run, with its own libraries, before you do 'make install'. it's necessary to override this somehow during the build |
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| 05:14.06 | peterS | Dwonis: since troy heber (a subversion comaintainer) built the last subversion in a directory under /tmp, the rpath in question is something a user on any random system *could* have write access to if he figures it out |
| 05:14.30 | peterS | thereby having effective write access to the apache2 mod_dav_svn and mod_authz_svn |
| 05:15.08 | powergoal | liable: I have done telinit 1 and unmounted /home. if I move my /.home backup of /home to /home and reboot to windows and run partition magic, can I safely delete the entire /home partition? the data should be stored on / right? |
| 05:15.11 | peterS | now since /tmp is cleared out at boot time, and apache2 is started at boot time, the attacker would have to wait until root restarts apache at some point after boot, before his trojan libraries will be used |
| 05:15.19 | liable | less talking, more bug squashing :P |
| 05:15.33 | peterS | liable: heh, thanks, I needed that |
| 05:15.51 | liable | :) |
| 05:15.52 | peterS | udk is back to his old self |
| 05:16.09 | liable | powergoal: reboot into debian first and chec k |
| 05:16.35 | powergoal | ok |
| 05:17.01 | vrt | hello all, i am on a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 05:17.01 | liable | powergoal: once its gone, its gone. making a new home is easy, lost data is lost. |
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| 05:17.15 | vrt | cmiiw, it comes with the freeswan ipsec patch |
| 05:17.17 | powergoal | liable: yea |
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| 05:17.22 | vrt | i see the service running at startup.. |
| 05:17.33 | vrt | but see no dirs in /proc/net |
| 05:17.36 | vrt | is this expected? |
| 05:17.38 | kreg_work | what's the intended means of using iptables-save with debian? how does the /etc/init.d/iptables script supposed to use it? |
| 05:18.21 | terr | anyone here? |
| 05:18.24 | Supaplex | I have too many comments to meddle with that script. I tweaked my own so my comments don't get munged. :) |
| 05:18.28 | Supaplex | !test |
| 05:18.28 | dpkg | Yes, supaplex, you're still online. |
| 05:18.42 | terr | !test |
| 05:18.43 | dpkg | Sorry, terr, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:18.45 | Supaplex | !pal terr |
| 05:19.48 | Dwonis | when chrpath XXX shows "RPATH=$ORIGIN", that's not an environment variable, is it? |
| 05:21.17 | eleckttruss | hi |
| 05:21.19 | liable | the .. um .. daemon, to give .. err .. p0w4h .. n0w? |
| 05:21.24 | eleckttruss | waza manes! |
| 05:21.33 | liable | huh |
| 05:21.38 | Dwonis | eleckttruss: the first greeting was better |
| 05:21.47 | eleckttruss | ... ok |
| 05:22.07 | peterS | Dwonis: I'm not very familiar with chrpath. you can check a binary's existing rpath, if any, using 'objdump -p /usr/bin/foo | grep RPATH' |
| 05:22.58 | peterS | Dwonis: most binaries and libraries on Debian don't have rpaths, because it's usually not needed (all needed libraries are already in the built-in path) and unneeded rpaths are strongly discouraged |
| 05:23.14 | Dwonis | ./libgtkodbcconfig.so: RPATH=/build/buildd/unixodbc-2.2.4/gODBCConfig/../debian/tmp/usr/lib |
| 05:23.39 | powergoal | liable: I can't login as my user so I can move my /.home to /home amd reboot to win and change my partitioning? |
| 05:23.41 | Dwonis | also, a bunch of .so files in /usr/lib/gconv have RPATH=$ORIGIN, which I *assume* means /usr/lib/gconv |
| 05:23.59 | peterS | Dwonis: that'll be another bug of exactly the same class as the one I'm dealing with, probably with the same cause (libtool) |
| 05:24.05 | liable | powergoal: log in as root |
| 05:24.15 | peterS | Dwonis: /build/buildd/... means the binary was auto-built on a Debian build daemon |
| 05:24.22 | powergoal | well I have logged as a failsafe terminal |
| 05:24.36 | peterS | Dwonis: I don't know what $ORIGIN means in this context. you may be right. |
| 05:24.46 | Dwonis | powergoal: grep home /proc/mounts |
| 05:24.48 | peterS | it isn't an environment variable, you are right about that. |
| 05:24.50 | liable | powergoal: wtf is failsafe? x? |
| 05:25.01 | powergoal | an option from my loader |
| 05:25.07 | Dwonis | liable: I assume it means single-user mode |
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| 05:25.27 | liable | powergoal: i suggested removing gdm, so you dont start x. |
| 05:25.42 | liable | powergoal: are you using ubuntu? |
| 05:25.46 | powergoal | no |
| 05:25.49 | Dwonis | update-grub calls it "recovery mode" |
| 05:25.59 | powergoal | debian |
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| 05:26.12 | liable | powergoal: are you in x or console? |
| 05:26.28 | powergoal | console |
| 05:26.42 | liable | powergoal: right, log in as root, and copy it all over |
| 05:26.51 | powergoal | ok |
| 05:26.52 | powergoal | thx |
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| 05:28.23 | liable | powergoal: you will prolly have to mkdir /home/youruser |
| 05:28.31 | liable | and change perms. |
| 05:28.36 | powergoal | ok |
| 05:28.44 | Dwonis | liable: what? |
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| 05:29.27 | liable | Dwonis: you think his home dir will be there? before he's copied it? |
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| 05:29.46 | Dwonis | why would it need to be there? |
| 05:30.13 | Dwonis | root's homedir isn't in /home |
| 05:30.23 | liable | Dwonis: his *user* |
| 05:30.43 | Dwonis | right, why would he use that before /home is moved back over? |
| 05:31.04 | liable | Dwonis: depends how he copies.. |
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| 05:32.16 | SJr | Hmmmmm do I need the linux-header-* package for compiling a kernel |
| 05:32.25 | liable | no |
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| 05:32.47 | liable | SJr: if you just want to compile modules, yes. |
| 05:32.53 | SJr | hmmmmm |
| 05:33.22 | SJr | No I want to compile a whole kernel |
| 05:33.27 | SJr | but I'm having problems installing the package |
| 05:33.38 | liable | what package |
| 05:34.01 | peej | what problem? |
| 05:34.04 | SJr | linux-headers-2.6.16-1 |
| 05:34.09 | SJr | there unstables |
| 05:34.59 | SJr | linux-headers-2.6.16 and linux-headers-2.6.16-k7 |
| 05:35.22 | liable | SJr: um, you dont need headers, you need linux-source |
| 05:35.48 | SJr | hmmmmm cool |
| 05:35.50 | SJr | thanks. |
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| 05:38.28 | liable | !be a pirate |
| 05:38.29 | dpkg | Yeaaaar! Thar she blows! |
| 05:39.27 | nonick007 | Can i do chroot install from knoppix ? (sorry about foul language) |
| 05:39.45 | jm_ | nonick007: you have my permission |
| 05:40.16 | nonick007 | so it should work ? |
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| 05:40.42 | liable | nonick007: do you have any linux installed? |
| 05:40.44 | jm_ | yes, if you do it properly (i.e. common pitfalls are mentioned in Knoppix FAQ) |
| 05:40.52 | liable | nonick007: why install from knoppix? |
| 05:41.07 | nonick007 | that is only bootable linux media i have |
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| 05:41.20 | liable | the d-i doesnt work? |
| 05:41.30 | nonick007 | why burn a cd |
| 05:41.46 | liable | why make life hard for 50 cents? |
| 05:42.08 | nonick007 | ok, i will burn netinstall |
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| 05:45.37 | lpb-oberon | a pirate i was meant to be - trim the sails and roam the sea:) |
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| 05:46.52 | iamaricky | trying to get quotas and connection limits in iptables to work but i've had no success only a generic error |
| 05:46.52 | iamaricky | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
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| 05:47.42 | stew | iamaricky: what command gives you that error? |
| 05:47.49 | iamaricky | i'm using iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -s 192.168.1.23 --syn --dport 1023 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 4 -j REJECT |
| 05:48.14 | iamaricky | from the example on the netfilter page |
| 05:48.26 | stew | iamaricky: try modprobe ipt_REJECT |
| 05:49.10 | iamaricky | hmmn nothing returned |
| 05:49.25 | stew | iamaricky: no news is good news, try the iptables command again |
| 05:49.31 | iamaricky | ok |
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| 05:49.49 | qwertz | kinsay isog dri |
| 05:49.59 | iamaricky | :( same error |
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| 05:53.05 | liable | qwertz: engrish version? |
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| 05:57.52 | stew | iamaricky: try modprobe iptable_filter |
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| 05:59.01 | iamaricky | same no return i guess its loaded already ? |
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| 05:59.49 | bloop | how do I blank a CD-RW disc? |
| 06:00.25 | Stevie | ask it to erase itself pretty pretty please |
| 06:00.30 | Stevie | if that doesn't work, add a cherry on top |
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| 06:00.50 | r_marvin | bloop: what software do you use? |
| 06:00.55 | bloop | uh |
| 06:00.58 | bloop | I don't know |
| 06:00.59 | bloop | just debian |
| 06:01.06 | liable | hehe |
| 06:01.12 | liable | bloop: install k3b |
| 06:01.19 | r_marvin | do you use kde or gnome or something else? |
| 06:01.30 | bloop | yea gnome |
| 06:01.42 | r_marvin | uh, i don't know gnome :) |
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| 06:01.59 | liable | gnomebaker is the gmome one. |
| 06:02.14 | liable | bloop: or man cdrecord |
| 06:02.57 | r_marvin | cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc blank=fast |
| 06:03.03 | r_marvin | or variations of it |
| 06:03.25 | r_marvin | but for a newbie, stick with a gui and use it ;) |
| 06:04.05 | nvz_ | and for a shoebie keep your shoes tied |
| 06:04.08 | liable | bloop: maybe a better question would have been, what do i use for cd writing? |
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| 06:04.22 | liable | no.. velcro! |
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| 06:04.38 | nvz | what a dork |
| 06:04.48 | wmhtet | hi I have a problem with realplayer not producing sound, I have other applications which has sound (like amarok) where can I debug that. I used sid and alsa for the sound |
| 06:04.59 | liable | bah, velcro is way cool. |
| 06:05.21 | liable | wmhtet: check its sound output driver |
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| 06:06.43 | wmhtet | liable, I have sounds from other application. where can I check the sound output driver for realplayer (or helix) they don't have much too configure in their preference setting, I can't also find the configuration file |
| 06:07.32 | jm_ | wmhtet: try enabling dmix |
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| 06:09.30 | liable | wmhtet: no idea. |
| 06:09.33 | wmhtet | ok, let me try that, jm_ (but I need to do google on how to enable dmix first thought :D ) |
| 06:09.34 | powergoal | Is there anything special you have to do in order to save files to a FAT32 partition while in Linux? |
| 06:09.39 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.39 | jm_ | wmhtet: /msg dpkg dmix |
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| 06:09.46 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.49 | jm_ | powergoal: as user or root? |
| 06:09.53 | liable | good luck with dmix :) |
| 06:09.54 | powergoal | either |
| 06:09.56 | wmhtet | I am googling but it help a lot |
| 06:09.58 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.00 | jm_ | it works fine for root |
| 06:10.06 | powergoal | and as user? |
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| 06:10.15 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.16 | liable | !vfatrw |
| 06:10.16 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 06:10.26 | jm_ | you have to change mount options (umask/dmask/fmask or uid/gid) |
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| 06:11.17 | powergoal | thankyou dpkg |
| 06:11.17 | dpkg | no worries, powergoal |
| 06:11.39 | liable | powergoal: home is all set? |
| 06:11.41 | pjv | can i use wine with let say notepad to open a file like so wine "C:\Program File\Notepad\notepad.exe" -e file |
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| 06:11.59 | powergoal | im putting it in now :) |
| 06:12.26 | pjv | i am just trying to figure out the cli syntax if i can use it like that with wine or something similar? |
| 06:12.27 | Supaplex | pjv: wine has a native notepad |
| 06:12.30 | liable | pjv: i cant help it, but why? |
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| 06:13.30 | pjv | liable: i want to make it a generic command to open files for Fireworks or Dreamweaver |
| 06:13.40 | liable | pjv: oh. |
| 06:14.09 | Azar | question: doesn't debian linux use something better than realplayer? |
| 06:14.21 | pjv | yeah so if i click on a file for fireworks my desktop know i use dreamweaver to open such files with wine |
| 06:14.43 | nvz | Azar: any movie player in debian you like |
| 06:14.45 | pjv | but i must have the right syntax to do so |
| 06:14.56 | tarzeau | http://www.d2dc.net/~deek/nice_breasts.jpg |
| 06:14.57 | nvz | Azar: just need the non-dfsg w32codecs package from marillat |
| 06:15.05 | tarzeau | Azar: debian doesn't have realplayer, luckily |
| 06:15.06 | liable | Azar: w32codecs does the old real files but iirc you need realplayer for newer ones. |
| 06:15.08 | Azar | nvz sounds great because I hate the old creepy realplayer |
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| 06:16.36 | nonix4 | Could somebody please traceroute one of {www,ns1,ns2}.hut.fi - the whole /16 seems to go !H for me :-( |
| 06:16.44 | liable | tarzeau: underdone! |
| 06:16.48 | powergoal | liable: I got it! Thanks for all your help! |
| 06:16.53 | jm_ | nonix4: H as in hate you? :) |
| 06:16.57 | Azar | yay ok VLC media gonna be |
| 06:16.58 | tarzeau | nonix4: same here |
| 06:17.03 | liable | powergoal: yay :) |
| 06:17.07 | tarzeau | nonix4: 8 zch-b1-geth3-1.telia.net (213.248.79.189) 0.922 ms !H * 0.815 ms !H |
| 06:17.08 | phobo | why can't i say "username=smagnusson; cd ~$username" ? when cd ~smagnusson works. |
| 06:17.17 | phobo | I am trying to determine the home directory of a user... |
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| 06:17.23 | phobo | in a bash script. |
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| 06:18.51 | nonix4 | tarzeau: damn, can't blame my own ISP for that then - ain't a point-to-point problem :-( |
| 06:19.32 | tarzeau | nonix4, jm_ in nethack: H a giant humanoid--More-- |
| 06:19.45 | nvz | phobo: foo="bar"; cd "$HOME/$foo" |
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| 06:20.02 | tarzeau | and guess what's funny? All types of giants share a love for men. heh |
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| 06:20.27 | liable | wtf? |
| 06:20.35 | nvz | phobo: $HOME and $USER are predefined in the environment |
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| 06:23.01 | phobo | nvz: but what about when the homedirectory is a different from the username? otherwise I could use go /home/$username |
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| 06:24.50 | tarzeau | ow how i hate ATI |
| 06:24.50 | nvz | phobo: $USER is always defined by the environment as the current user and $HOME as the homedir no matter if its /$USER, /home/$USER, /srv/$USER, /media/usb/$USER.. etc |
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| 06:25.29 | wmhtet | jm_ liable , I found the source of the problem, realplay use oss and I have alsa , so it is not finding the right driver(?) here is some fix |
| 06:25.31 | wmhtet | apt-get intsall alsa-oss |
| 06:25.31 | wmhtet | export AUDIO=/dev/dsp0 |
| 06:25.31 | wmhtet | aoss realplay |
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| 06:26.24 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:27.35 | liable | wmhtet: it should be able to use the asla oss emulating module .. snd_pcm_oss |
| 06:27.55 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.58 | stew | wmhtet: for oss support in alsa you should just need to modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; to make that happen at every boot, add it to /etc/modules |
| 06:28.18 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.30 | tubasoldier | I'm having sound issues of my own. I just installed debian tonight to give it a shot and when I boot it up the wrong alsa drivers are used. I have to run alsaconf to correct it. |
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| 06:28.52 | tarzeau | is it right i can't build ati kernel module with only kernel headers? |
| 06:29.09 | ralpho | My very first debian install |
| 06:29.14 | tarzeau | awwwww how i absolutely hate ATI. i should've brought my own awful damn nvidia crap card |
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| 06:30.08 | ralpho | used testing and everything works on pavilion zv6000 laptop |
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| 06:30.58 | Azar | I am trying to use this source and it does not seem to be recognized: deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main |
| 06:31.01 | tubasoldier | thats good to hear ralpho. I just purchased a pavillion zd8000. It should arrive in a few weeks. |
| 06:31.46 | ralpho | apt-get i dont know how to work but i got xchat installed:) |
| 06:32.25 | tubasoldier | is there a reason that there is no modprobe.conf in the /etc directory? |
| 06:32.45 | ralpho | I just have to figure out how to install bcm43xx-modules-2.6.15-1-486_20060212-3_i386.deb |
| 06:33.02 | jm_ | wmhtet: for Firefox, you can simply edit ~/.mozilla/firefox/rc (or wherever your file/dir is) and add FIREFOX_DSP=aoss |
| 06:33.09 | jm_ | tubasoldier: yes |
| 06:33.16 | ralpho | got some reading to do |
| 06:33.25 | ralpho | to setup wireless |
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| 06:33.47 | jian1 | mobprobe -v fglrx |
| 06:33.50 | tubasoldier | ralpho if you have the file you can simply type 'dpkg --install nameofpackage.deb' as root of course |
| 06:34.07 | ralpho | cool thanks |
| 06:34.07 | jian1 | fglrx:version magic '2.6.15 preempt pentiumm gcc-4.0' should be 'xxxxxx xxxxx gcc-3.3' |
| 06:34.09 | jian1 | what? |
| 06:34.16 | qwertz | jm what is that firefox you gave for? |
| 06:34.22 | tubasoldier | jm_: what is the reasoning for no modprobe.conf? I'm new to debian and trying to understand it. |
| 06:34.27 | qwertz | FIREFOX_DSP=aoss what does this do? |
| 06:34.35 | jian1 | I compiled the kernel and m-a 'ed the fglrx-driver and so |
| 06:34.40 | jian1 | it can't just mobprobe |
| 06:35.04 | ralpho | even my ati 200 m works with exceleration |
| 06:35.30 | ralpho | holy crap |
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| 06:35.37 | ralpho | I am so pleased |
| 06:35.37 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 06:35.39 | jm_ | tubasoldier: module-init-tools used for 2.6 kernel use /etc/modprobe.d - man modprobe (that file can be used, but is optional) |
| 06:35.57 | jm_ | qwertz: what do you mean what it is for? it's to tell it to use AOSS wrapper for sounds |
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| 06:36.04 | tubasoldier | jm_: ah. ok. thanks for the information |
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| 06:36.54 | wmhtet | jm_ thx again , actually I also have problem with rhythmbox also but it seems that they all are related to relying on oss, they are all solved now (partially?) thx you all again, I will try the firefox suggestion but I am more of a opera user though, I am chatting with Opera! :) |
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| 06:42.12 | Eighties1 | hello |
| 06:42.26 | Supaplex | she'aw! I found the power adapter for my ldc screen. muhuhahaaa |
| 06:42.28 | Eighties1 | whens the next version of debian come out? |
| 06:42.35 | Supaplex | when it's ready |
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| 06:42.42 | Eighties1 | i know that |
| 06:42.47 | Eighties1 | but is there like a date? |
| 06:42.51 | Coweater | then why'd you ask? |
| 06:43.03 | jm_ | !+when will etch release |
| 06:43.03 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 06:43.03 | Supaplex | the date is literally "when it's ready" |
| 06:43.15 | Supaplex | etch hasn't even frozen yet, so it's a long ways off |
| 06:43.33 | Eighties1 | k |
| 06:43.46 | Eighties1 | the new ubuntu was pused back a long ways....... |
| 06:43.47 | Eighties1 | :-p |
| 06:43.52 | Eighties1 | and the new suse |
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| 06:43.59 | Eighties1 | i'm kinda bummed |
| 06:44.04 | Supaplex | *yawn* that's nice. |
| 06:44.09 | Eighties1 | lol |
| 06:44.24 | Eighties1 | i work for geek squad i gotta keep up lol |
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| 06:46.18 | Azar | I am so dumb I can't even remember if I have a DVD or CD, lspci will not show me, how can I find out? |
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| 06:46.31 | Supaplex | Azar: /var/log/dmesg |
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| 06:46.40 | Azar | thanks Supaplex |
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| 06:47.18 | Supaplex | unless you loaded ide-{cd,scsi} after boot, then it'll be in syslog |
| 06:47.25 | Supaplex | "somewhere" hehe |
| 06:47.37 | w32 | I'm having trouble getting my debian box to send & receive mail, I'm using otrs as a trouble ticket system but I can't send receive mail with it-the docs talk about send mail but |
| 06:47.40 | Supaplex | cdrecord --scanbus might be helpfull to. |
| 06:47.47 | qwertz | in bash shell scripting, is this correct? ihap= $ihap + 1; |
| 06:47.55 | w32 | when i follow them it errors out when i try to send a email |
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| 06:48.41 | Supaplex | qwertz: #bash . afaik, it's ihap=$(($ihap+1)) or $[$ihap+1] YMMV. |
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| 06:50.00 | karsten | Supaplex: No $ required in arithmetic expansion: $(( ihap + 1 )) or even $(( ihap = ihap + 1 )) |
| 06:50.17 | karsten | Supaplex: ... note that the latter then tries to execute itself. |
| 06:51.21 | Azar | what is lirc? |
| 06:51.30 | karsten | !tell Azar about search |
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| 06:51.49 | karsten | Azar: http://packages.debian.org/<packagename> |
| 06:51.50 | liable | Azar: infrared shits iirc |
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| 06:52.05 | Azar | I am reading the documentation that came with lirc but I have no idea what they talk about |
| 06:52.22 | Azar | ah oh thank you liable, I guess I never needed that in the first place |
| 06:52.24 | karsten | Azar: It configures IR ports. Used for eg: communicating with PDAs. |
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| 06:52.39 | karsten | Azar: Not an IRC client if that's what you're looking for. |
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| 06:52.54 | karsten | Azar: apt-cache show <packagename> also works, BTW. |
| 06:52.55 | jm_ | Description: Linux Infra-red Remote Control support |
| 06:53.03 | Azar | :) no I downloadedn/installed VLC and it said lirc was recommended, what stupid I am |
| 06:53.20 | liable | Azar: for remote controls.. |
| 06:53.26 | SonnyBurnett | Hi Folks, how can I enable the gnome system sounds without using sound server? |
| 06:53.35 | Azar | interesting though |
| 06:53.56 | karsten | SonnyBurnett: You can use old-style sound support, Eg: oss or similar. I'd recommend alsa myself though. |
| 06:54.09 | SonnyBurnett | karsten, I use alsa |
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| 06:54.46 | SonnyBurnett | karsten, I mean without using a sound server daemon... |
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| 06:55.00 | ealm | when I try to mount my usb stick with -t vfat (it is fat32 formatted)... I get the error "unknown filetype"... why can that be? |
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| 06:55.13 | marccd | alsa wont restore my mixer settings at startup, can anybody point me in the right direction to fix this? |
| 06:55.15 | liable | SonnyBurnett: gnome can use the sound card, just not at the same time as another app |
| 06:55.35 | SonnyBurnett | ealm, mmmmm I hada that error.... where are you trying to mount it? |
| 06:55.39 | liable | marccd: alsactrl store? |
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| 06:56.15 | SonnyBurnett | liable, but I'm listen to music and I hear the amsn sounds,,, at the same time |
| 06:56.32 | marccd | liable: ok, what about it, I need it to do it automatically, I dont want to loose my mixer settings, and that command is only available as root |
| 06:56.36 | suyog | Sonny, try using the snack library in amsn |
| 06:56.55 | liable | marccd: so run it, and the mixer settings should be stored.. |
| 06:56.59 | Azar | hmm no wonder I was like wtf is udp getting so active? hard to get used to a media player |
| 06:57.31 | SonnyBurnett | suyog, liable : what I want to do is activate the event sounds of gnome.... |
| 06:57.35 | marccd | liable: how do I make it run automatically at shutdown/reboot |
| 06:58.04 | liable | marccd: why do you want to? once they are stored, they should stay stored. |
| 06:58.15 | marccd | liable: it doesnt store on reboot |
| 06:58.19 | karsten | marccd: sysvinit |
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| 06:58.44 | ealm | SonnyBurnett: /media/usb |
| 06:58.58 | ealm | SonnyBurnett: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb |
| 06:59.42 | marccd | karsten: what numbers are reboot and shutdown |
| 06:59.56 | marccd | liable: alsa-ctl *hard* stores my current settings forever? |
| 07:00.02 | jm_ | marccd: README.runlevels.gz |
| 07:00.29 | liable | marccd: alsactl store *should*, yes. |
| 07:00.36 | marccd | jm_: zcat $(locate README.runlevels.gz)|less would have been more useful |
| 07:00.43 | marccd | liable: ok good |
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| 07:01.31 | ralpho | bcm43xx-modules-2.6.15-1-486 once this is installed how do I load configure it ect. |
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| 07:01.45 | marccd | is there a system wide variable for defining a web browser? |
| 07:01.53 | jm_ | marccd: yes, and holding your hand too I think |
| 07:02.03 | karsten | marccd: /etc/alternatives. |
| 07:02.04 | d4t2ilL4 | how I can I update security patches ? |
| 07:02.48 | karsten | marccd: www-browser, x-www-browser |
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| 07:03.10 | Golfgeo | Some time ago I read an article on Compact Flash memory cards, Journaling Filesystems and problems associated with them. My card doesn't support DMA since it is PIO. But are there FileSystems that need DMA to opperate properly? I remember reading about this, but can't find any info on it via google... Every pointer is welcome... |
| 07:03.29 | marccd | jm_: sarcasm is anger |
| 07:03.49 | SonnyBurnett | ealm, I just mounted my usb disk without problems.... I created a directory /mnt/usbdisk and #mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdisk , try to do that |
| 07:04.14 | karsten | jm_: <sing> I want to hold your ha-a-a-a-and </sing> |
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| 07:08.23 | Supaplex | Golfgeo: my firewall cf card is journalized via ext3. I also have noatime, and use tmp for some parts of it. I also remote syslog so there's very few busy files on it. it's pretty responsive now. before it was always churning. |
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| 07:08.28 | ealm | SonnyBurnett: um,.. thats kinda what I did |
| 07:08.34 | Supaplex | tmp/tmpfs/ |
| 07:09.12 | marccd | is there a place where I could set up system-wide enviroment variables? /etc/bashrc? |
| 07:10.08 | Supaplex | marccd: close. it's /etc/profile |
| 07:10.23 | Supaplex | YMMV, not sure if it's happy with all $SHELL's |
| 07:10.26 | Golfgeo | Supaplex, noatime is the no filetime update thing, read about it. I understand that ext3 can be done, but does your card support DMA or just PIO? |
| 07:10.39 | Supaplex | Golfgeo: no idea :) |
| 07:11.06 | marccd | Supaplex: close enough :) |
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| 07:11.27 | Supaplex | Golfgeo: nope, no dma. |
| 07:11.31 | Golfgeo | Supaplex, lol, my card is PIO and I get a "No DMA warning" when ReiserFS mounts the filesystem. |
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| 07:11.54 | Supaplex | well, it's just a warning... right? |
| 07:12.06 | Golfgeo | Supaplex, DMA is in revision 3 of the Compact Flash Association Specifications |
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| 07:12.28 | Golfgeo | Supaplex, But that is just a couple of months old... |
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| 07:13.10 | Supaplex | !ops Geren fast annoying /cycling |
| 07:13.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Geren fast annoying /cycling |
| 07:13.20 | Golfgeo | Supaplex, My mean consern is that some filesystems will not work wothout DMA, read it somewhere and just need to revisit the text, just can't rember where I read it... |
| 07:14.07 | Supaplex | maybe it's not the best fs for you if the caveats of no dma are too agreegius for you (sp) |
| 07:14.12 | Golfgeo | Supaplex, I however didn't search google with "DMA Journaling FS problems"... |
| 07:14.28 | Golfgeo | sp? |
| 07:14.32 | Supaplex | spelling |
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| 07:15.10 | kreg_work | so is debian even gonna decide where to put a iptables-save ? |
| 07:15.37 | Golfgeo | Supaplex, All journaling FS's need to write the journal to disk and that takes time... |
| 07:15.47 | Supaplex | kreg_work: uhm, /usr/sbin is my best guess. has it changed? |
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| 07:16.06 | Golfgeo | Supaplex, Thanks mate :-) |
| 07:16.06 | Supaplex | all disk i/o takes time. |
| 07:16.08 | kreg_work | well what's the /etc/init.d/iptables start stop for then? |
| 07:16.26 | Supaplex | kreg_work: the same thing all stuff in /etc/init.d is for. init scripts. |
| 07:16.27 | codenamewilley | Hi |
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| 07:16.33 | Azar | eh scratch in the neck.. I was just curious to see how dvd works on linux, well it does not |
| 07:16.37 | tarzeau | someone got debian packages of realfuckignplayer 10.0.7 |
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| 07:16.51 | liable | tarzeau: marillat |
| 07:16.54 | kreg_work | and how is the iptables init script gonna know where i put the iptabales-save without me editing it? |
| 07:17.01 | hoodlum | is anyone in here running an amd64 kernel on debian? |
| 07:17.08 | tarzeau | liable: oh i don't like marillats |
| 07:17.20 | tarzeau | liable: i'd wanted the ones from http://www.debian-unofficial.org/packages.html but it's still 10.0.6 |
| 07:17.32 | Azar | tarzeau I installed vlc looks nice but is not playing movies from a DVD disk |
| 07:17.36 | tarzeau | hoodlum: linux or freebsd? |
| 07:17.39 | Supaplex | kreg_work: where /you/ put it? did you move it for some reason? or are you trying to figure out how it works overall? |
| 07:17.43 | hoodlum | linux |
| 07:17.46 | tarzeau | Azar: i prefer mplayer |
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| 07:17.54 | tarzeau | Azar: xine and vlc have horrible ui |
| 07:17.56 | Supaplex | hoodlum: plenty of people do |
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| 07:18.03 | Azar | tarzeau, is open source and Sarge compliant |
| 07:18.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:18.05 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:18.05 | hoodlum | yeah.. well im having alot of trouble configuring mine |
| 07:18.12 | tarzeau | Azar: mplayer is also free software |
| 07:18.15 | hoodlum | i was asking if anyone did so they could help me. |
| 07:18.17 | liable | tarzeau: marillats id .6 too. get it from helix? |
| 07:18.26 | hoodlum | i dont want to resort to installing ubuntu |
| 07:18.28 | Azar | tarzeau, ok thanks I will try that tomorrow then |
| 07:18.28 | tarzeau | liable: i didn't want to build my own pakcages.. but oh well |
| 07:18.38 | tarzeau | Azar: oh and you want lame too :) |
| 07:18.42 | liable | tarzeau: its a .run file or some shit. |
| 07:18.48 | SonnyBurnett | why does my system doenst use the swap? every time I check with "free" the used swap is "0" |
| 07:18.51 | tarzeau | liable: yes that's not what i want. i want debian packages |
| 07:18.53 | Supaplex | hoodlum: does a stock kernel work ok? maybe make oldconfig is the way to go (cp /boot/config... .config;make oldconfig) |
| 07:18.59 | liable | tarzeau: bad luck. |
| 07:18.59 | kreg_work | Supaplex, i've always had to write an iptables.sh to store all the rules, and then manually add a S10iptables.sh to the boot system. i've never noticed anything in /usr/sbin before. never found a 'debian style' document for iptables standards |
| 07:19.01 | tarzeau | liable: this is a few more machines than 1 or 10 |
| 07:19.16 | hoodlum | im unsure Supaplex, im not in linux atm, i will be shortly |
| 07:19.18 | Azar | tarzeau, that was just a superflue curiosity, I have 3 DVD players around me... not that I need the PC for that, just curious |
| 07:19.20 | hoodlum | ill ask later, when im in there |
| 07:19.35 | tarzeau | Azar: yea dvd on linux sucks |
| 07:19.36 | kreg_work | Supaplex, i like how redhat does it. iptables-save > /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 07:19.45 | kreg_work | then run their init script up or down |
| 07:19.52 | Supaplex | kreg_work: it's in there. I prefer to do something similar. I have so many rules, I need comments =) |
| 07:19.56 | kreg_work | can you do similar in debian? |
| 07:19.57 | liable | Azar: of course linux plays dvd's. you may need libcvs or whatever it is for playback |
| 07:20.04 | kreg_work | Supaplex, heh heh |
| 07:20.06 | Azar | tarzeau: that was for me to show off a friend that linux can too |
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| 07:20.18 | Supaplex | kreg_work: yea, dpkg-reconfigure iptables (worth a shot) |
| 07:20.21 | tarzeau | Azar: hehe |
| 07:20.45 | tarzeau | Azar: i'm so having problems with linux and hardware, like webcam, tv card and usb ir |
| 07:20.45 | Azar | liable I apt installed over 27mb worth of various packages with vlc.. I am sure libcvs was among them |
| 07:20.47 | Supaplex | kreg_work: or dpkg -S `which iptables` ; dpkg -L iptables (fix the latter if it's wrong) |
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| 07:20.52 | tarzeau | Azar: and some other stuff |
| 07:21.00 | kreg_work | Supaplex, ok i'll play with it. thanks man |
| 07:21.19 | Supaplex | kreg_work: iirc, you can save different flavors of your rules, incase you need to reload something else. |
| 07:21.23 | kreg_work | Supaplex, what i'm getting at, is i'm trying to start thinking about the distro more and less about manual configs. |
| 07:21.25 | Azar | tarzeau my little Sarge works ok with my hardware so far everything is up and running in full power |
| 07:21.30 | liable | Azar: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 07:21.31 | Supaplex | could be handy for mobile types, or regression testing |
| 07:21.45 | tarzeau | i've finally managed to install blender |
| 07:21.45 | peej | tarzeau : tried knoppix? |
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| 07:21.52 | tarzeau | peej: YUCK. worst shit ever |
| 07:21.54 | Azar | liable: checkingit |
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| 07:22.03 | tarzeau | some dude so wanted to install the dvd version 5 of knoppix |
| 07:22.09 | codenamewilley | I installed Fedora 3 on my system with Debian now fedora grub is not showing Debian partition and i cant even mount the debian partition is Fedora |
| 07:22.12 | tarzeau | and the fucking piece of shit is so buggy! it locks up x |
| 07:22.19 | tarzeau | AFTER the one hour install. it's hilarious |
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| 07:22.23 | tarzeau | and #knoppix knows shit about it |
| 07:22.25 | JensB | Hi everybody |
| 07:22.26 | codenamewilley | Any methods to recover from debian install cd |
| 07:22.34 | liable | you actually *installed* it? |
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| 07:22.39 | tarzeau | codenamewilley: not really. try the etch beta2 release |
| 07:22.45 | liable | codenamewilley: recover what? |
| 07:22.47 | tarzeau | liable: me? no that other idiot that i told not to |
| 07:22.58 | Supaplex | codenamewilley: seperate partitions for each right? |
| 07:23.05 | codenamewilley | yup |
| 07:23.06 | peej | tarzeau : yebbut if it works, you can figure out how it was made to work. |
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| 07:23.19 | tarzeau | peej: my hardware works with windows xp |
| 07:23.24 | codenamewilley | liable:recover the debian partition |
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| 07:23.34 | JensB | I'm trying to make a kernel package with make-kpkg (Sarge, kernel-package 8.135) but upon making kernel-headers I get lots of error messages like this: "tar: include/asm-sparc64/bsderrno.h: file changed as we read it". Plus, the resulting kernel-headers.deb is almost empty. Any idea what could cause this? |
| 07:23.43 | codenamewilley | fedora uses sda and debian has entries as hda |
| 07:23.44 | liable | codenamewilley: what do you mean by recover? i dont understand. |
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| 07:23.47 | peej | tarzeau : and duh, it doesn't with linux yet. |
| 07:23.49 | tarzeau | peej: tv/webcam used to work with 2.4 |
| 07:23.50 | JensB | I tried Google but this error message seems not to happen to many people |
| 07:24.00 | Supaplex | codenamewilley: there may be an easier way, but I haven't thought of it yet. get your hands dirty :) /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:24.12 | tarzeau | peej: it's just some of my hardware works with 2.4 but not 2.6 other with 2.6 but not 2.4 |
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| 07:24.38 | peej | I know the feeling. |
| 07:24.38 | liable | codenamewilley: http://liable.mine.nu/debian/grub-reinstall.html |
| 07:25.03 | Azar | liable install-css.sh is a command? I am looking at the file looks like a small script |
| 07:25.27 | liable | Azar: yes, it download the lib |
| 07:25.47 | Azar | liable , well I use it as root (su) and it does not work |
| 07:26.07 | liable | how doesnt it work? |
| 07:26.19 | Azar | bash: install-css.sh: command not found |
| 07:26.23 | codenamewilley | liable: Thanks i guess that should work :) |
| 07:26.32 | liable | Azar: give the full path |
| 07:26.34 | Azar | I am up in the directory |
| 07:26.40 | liable | or ./ |
| 07:26.45 | codenamewilley | Supaplex |
| 07:26.48 | codenamewilley | Thanks |
| 07:28.12 | Azar | did it but: dpkg - warning: downgrading libdvdcss2 from 1.2.8-1sarge.1 to 1.2.5-1. |
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| 07:28.21 | Azar | done |
| 07:28.50 | Azar | maybe this way is better, new stuff bork anyways |
| 07:29.17 | liable | Azar: you have marillat repos? |
| 07:29.24 | Azar | liable no |
| 07:29.27 | Supaplex | codenamewilley: np. best of luck. |
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| 07:29.53 | Azar | but it worked as you showed me at first, I have tho vlc source in my sources.list |
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| 07:31.28 | Azar | I have a feeling I will have to tune it up tomorrow, tell it to use alsa and whatnot |
| 07:31.34 | Azar | good night and thanks |
| 07:31.42 | Supaplex | and now where is that vga cable hiding.... |
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| 07:36.33 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:36.34 | dpkg | qotd94 is probably <rich_> One time I asked my grandma why she never smiled and she said that people who find everyrthing funny have a screw loose. <da_> grandma != debian lol |
| 07:36.51 | adii | is there a program which can check if something is running, and launch it if it is not ? |
| 07:37.15 | tarzeau | adii: ahm that's easy |
| 07:37.22 | tarzeau | adii: what program, as what user? |
| 07:37.29 | mixter | hi! is there any way to know how the mysql server included in debian was compiled? i would like to know which options were sent to the ./configure-script |
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| 07:38.35 | Supaplex | mixter: man apt-get, search for source. |
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| 07:38.55 | mixter | Supaplex: thanks! |
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| 07:39.26 | Supaplex | mixter: after you get it, it'll be in debian/ somewhere. I'd tell you all the answers, but hunting is half the fun. :) |
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| 07:39.47 | mixter | Supaplex: haha... ok :-) |
| 07:39.49 | Supaplex | like my M.I.A. vga cable for instance |
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| 07:40.05 | liable | under the pizza box? |
| 07:40.05 | nayyares | which is the best tool for sound recording on KDE? |
| 07:40.12 | adii | tarzeau, program would be "services" for irc, as a normal user "adii" |
| 07:40.20 | Supaplex | no, pizzabox was retired. |
| 07:41.06 | liable | adii: krecord?? sox? or is it audacity? |
| 07:41.36 | adii | woot ? |
| 07:41.52 | Supaplex | !confuse nayyares |
| 07:41.52 | dpkg | No, how was my gouda yesterday, nayyares? shirts of the dictatorship of tibet with extra cream |
| 07:42.21 | liable | nayyares: ^^ that was for you... |
| 07:42.23 | nayyares | liable, i have used krecord but i am unable to listen recorded voice :( i d;nt know why |
| 07:42.33 | liable | me either |
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| 07:42.53 | tarzeau | !sound |
| 07:42.53 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 07:42.56 | tarzeau | nayyares: #debian-kde |
| 07:43.59 | nayyares | tarzeau, ok |
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| 07:44.37 | liable | nayyares: mic mixer level turned up? |
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| 07:45.02 | nayyares | liable, yeah, FULL |
| 07:45.21 | liable | 11? |
| 07:45.35 | karsten | liable: *Ours* goes to 12. |
| 07:45.41 | liable | :) |
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| 07:45.58 | liable | karsten: glad someone got it :) |
| 07:46.05 | nayyares | liable, what should i do, any idea? |
| 07:46.07 | karsten | liable: ;-) |
| 07:46.07 | meriad_ | everynow and then when im playing a game, or compiling mplayer, or do something that could be regarded maybe as intensive process, my laptop just shutsdown.. |
| 07:46.20 | karsten | liable: This Is ... |
| 07:46.22 | meriad_ | are there any similiar instances, and if so im wondering if this is faulty hardware, over heating, etc.. or some sorta power management feature |
| 07:46.23 | karsten | liable: ... #debian. |
| 07:46.37 | liable | heh |
| 07:47.16 | peej | meriad_: shutdown acpi etc. Is the laptop fan running? |
| 07:47.29 | meriad_ | peej yes |
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| 07:47.39 | liable | nayyares: sorry, no idea, havent really ever tried recording.. |
| 07:47.39 | meriad_ | peej how doI shut down acpi |
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| 07:47.57 | liable | meriad_: /etc/init.d/acpid stop |
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| 07:48.09 | meriad_ | liable i doubt its running |
| 07:48.13 | meriad_ | i think i've already disabled it |
| 07:48.20 | liable | doubt? know! |
| 07:48.31 | meriad_ | liable acpid doesnt exist |
| 07:48.32 | JensB | solved my kernel problem.. "unset CDPATH" helped. |
| 07:48.41 | nayyares | liable, problem is that i can listen mic echo :( i can listen sound files, but when i try to listen my recodring then no sound? |
| 07:48.44 | peej | meriad_: do you have smoke coming from your crotch during such use? |
| 07:48.50 | meriad_ | peej no |
| 07:49.11 | liable | nayyares: dunno. sorry. try the #debian-kde channel as tarzeau suggested |
| 07:49.24 | peej | meriad_: what chipset is it anyway? |
| 07:49.26 | meriad_ | apm module is loaded though |
| 07:49.33 | SonnyBurnett | which are all the "mount points" of Linux (debian)? |
| 07:49.38 | nayyares | liable, heh, #debian-kde people are spleeping :) |
| 07:49.44 | meriad_ | peej my cpu? |
| 07:49.47 | meriad_ | peej not sure |
| 07:49.52 | Langly | Thats because KDE is very resource taxing |
| 07:50.03 | karsten | Supaplex: My favorite /proc entry. |
| 07:50.07 | meriad_ | peej: ich2m chipset revision 3 intel i815 chipset |
| 07:50.17 | karsten | Langly: It's *not* taxing. |
| 07:50.22 | karsten | Langly: ... more like graft. |
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| 07:51.39 | peej | try removing all unnecessary loaded modules, but it may just be the chip decides to shutdown on overheating. |
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| 07:51.49 | meriad_ | peej it might not be overheating though |
| 07:51.54 | meriad_ | peej i doubt it would be |
| 07:52.01 | meriad_ | peej and theres usually and override for that kinda stuff in the bis |
| 07:52.02 | meriad_ | ibos |
| 07:52.03 | meriad_ | bios |
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| 07:52.10 | meriad_ | or a jumper |
| 07:52.16 | meriad_ | on the chip or motherboard itself |
| 07:52.21 | meriad_ | its annoyingggg |
| 07:52.35 | meriad_ | peej is there a quick and easy way to remove all unncessary modules? |
| 07:52.41 | karsten | !tell meriad_ about enter |
| 07:52.44 | peej | meriad_: there's also stuff like lmsensors to see how hot things are. And hddtemp. |
| 07:52.44 | peej | meriad_: cat /proc/cpuinfo gives? |
| 07:52.58 | meriad_ | i dont have sensors |
| 07:52.59 | meriad_ | this is a laptop |
| 07:53.02 | meriad_ | an a relatively old one |
| 07:53.06 | meriad_ | and |
| 07:53.11 | peej | meriad_: rmmod -r will help with some |
| 07:53.42 | meriad_ | rmmod -r just prints out help im not sure which module to specify |
| 07:53.46 | peej | 815 will probably work with lmsensors. |
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| 07:54.06 | meriad_ | peej probably but that requires connections to be made to the motherboard.. |
| 07:54.14 | peej | meriad_: lsmod will list the modules. Remove the obviously useless ones. |
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| 07:54.30 | meriad_ | peej i'd like to remove apm |
| 07:54.33 | meriad_ | peej but its being used |
| 07:54.57 | peej | dpkg, lmsensors? |
| 07:54.58 | dpkg | from memory, lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. via kernel modules. apt-get install lm-sensors. For kernel 2.4 see the package description or lm-sensors-source. http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ |
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| 07:56.13 | meriad_ | peej i know what lmsensors is, but it requires shit to be connected to the motherboard dont it? |
| 07:56.28 | peej | meriad_: nope. |
| 07:57.06 | peej | meriad_ : the mobo will probably have the lm78 chip. No harm in trying. |
| 07:57.12 | meriad_ | im pretty sure it does, but out of the sake of curiousity how do I get it working? |
| 07:57.14 | meriad_ | how do I try it? |
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| 07:58.42 | peej | dpkg, rtfm? |
| 07:58.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] or Read Their Fucking Minds. |
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| 07:59.35 | meriad_ | peej newb |
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| 08:02.05 | kreg_work | debian got somekind of chkconfig equivelent? |
| 08:02.30 | Gnub- | of a pkg? |
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| 08:02.41 | liable | !chkconfig |
| 08:02.42 | dpkg | chkconfig is probably if you are looking for chkconfig try man update-rc.d |
| 08:02.44 | kreg_work | services that start and stop |
| 08:02.52 | liable | !services |
| 08:02.53 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers, or |
| 08:03.14 | kreg_work | i know how to manually turn them off, i just dunno the "debian" way of keeping them from coming on after a reboot other than manual renaming symlinks from S to K |
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| 08:03.18 | liable | kreg_work: try sysvconfig |
| 08:03.23 | peej | dpkg, take a breath! |
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| 08:04.42 | peej | kreg_work: update-rc.d for switching them off, on again. But the man pages are painful to wade through. |
| 08:05.35 | kreg_work | hell sysvconfig is brainless enough for me |
| 08:05.36 | kreg_work | thanks |
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| 08:05.53 | kreg_work | now i don't feel like i'm jewing put the init system by manually doing it |
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| 08:06.22 | peej | kreg_work : Oooh. I take it back. man update-rc.d is fairly short. |
| 08:06.25 | Wyzard | Is there a way to determine which processes are responsible for disk accesses that are occurring on a system? |
| 08:06.31 | kreg_work | peej, ya it's not bad |
| 08:06.39 | peterS | Wyzard: not really, that I know of |
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| 08:07.14 | kreg_work | how come iptables isn't in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 08:07.35 | peterS | it would be an inexact metric at best, anyway, because processes only trigger reads from cache, and the cache then triggers disk access. and more than one process might have requested the same file from cache |
| 08:07.39 | peej | Wyzard : maybe look through lsof ? |
| 08:08.13 | Wyzard | Actually, hang on, I think I've seen a program that could do something similar to what I want |
| 08:08.35 | Wyzard | It was for use on laptops, to identify processes causing disk access that would prevent the drive from spinning down |
| 08:08.46 | peej | Wyzard : or mebbe it's buried somewhere in the procs system. |
| 08:08.48 | Wyzard | If I could remember the name... |
| 08:10.03 | row | kreg_work: indeed, why is it not there, cause a plain flush of the tables will infact kill your connections :) |
| 08:10.09 | tarzeau | someone using drbd? |
| 08:10.13 | row | I learnt that the hard way :P |
| 08:10.31 | liable | Wyzard: ibm-acpi source package (stab in the dark, but i vaguely remeber seeing it too) |
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| 08:11.28 | Wyzard | liable: Could be -- it was on a Thinkpad that I saw it working -- but I'm thinking it might be laptop-mode-tools |
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| 08:12.32 | Wyzard | liable: I think I found it: lm-profiler in laptop-mode-tools |
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| 08:12.56 | liable | Wyzard: ah, havent heard of that one. /me checks it out |
| 08:13.18 | Radius_Vector | Hi, I dont have a CD drive on my notebook but I really need to boot from the debian iso I just downloaded, are there any emulators around which allow you to boot ISOs ? |
| 08:13.43 | Wyzard | Radius_Vector: Can your laptop boot from USB flash drives and/or floppy disks? |
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| 08:14.07 | weissi | Wyzard, depends on your laptop bios |
| 08:14.18 | peterS | weissi: uh, that's what he's asking about |
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| 08:14.31 | Wyzard | weissi: I know mine can... I'm asking about Radius_Vector's :-) |
| 08:14.31 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard: Sadly I dont have USB disks with such a high capacity.. :( |
| 08:14.34 | liable | Radius_Vector: no floppy either? |
| 08:14.46 | weissi | Wyzard, peterS: I'm sorry! |
| 08:14.46 | joseph | X fails to start. I have an Nvidia GeForce6800. Using the 'nv' driver. Would anyone be kind enough to help me get X working? Thanks. |
| 08:14.52 | Radius_Vector | liable: I got a 128m flash disk, if that helps. |
| 08:14.59 | Wyzard | Radius_Vector: You can use that |
| 08:15.11 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard: But my ISO is 4.3 GB! |
| 08:15.16 | peterS | Radius_Vector: the USB disk version of the installer is less than that, I think |
| 08:15.24 | Wyzard | Radius_Vector: Well, you won't be using that iso |
| 08:15.26 | row | kreg_work: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz <-- has the info you want btw |
| 08:15.34 | liable | Radius_Vector: no net on the laptop? |
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| 08:15.41 | peterS | Radius_Vector: you'll need to get the rest via the network - I hope your laptop has a network connection |
| 08:15.58 | Radius_Vector | liable:Got net but I just downloaded this thing using jigdo, stupid me I guess. |
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| 08:16.03 | Wyzard | Radius_Vector: The way Debian's USB-boot installer works is that you put the special bootable image on the device, then mount it and put an iso on it, and when you boot it, it'll loop-mount the iso and run the installer from within it |
| 08:16.04 | joseph | Can anyone see this? |
| 08:16.16 | liable | joseph: yes |
| 08:16.16 | jm_ | josep: is it supported by the nv driver you're using? |
| 08:16.21 | Wyzard | Radius_Vector: You can use the netinst or businesscard iso (both are less than 100MB) with that flash drive |
| 08:16.34 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard:Great, thanks. |
| 08:16.36 | peterS | Wyzard: the netinst is over 100 MB last I checked, but not much over, it'll fit on the 128 MB disk |
| 08:16.43 | Wyzard | Radius_Vector: You did waste a lot of time downloading the DVDs with jigdo, though :-) |
| 08:16.45 | joseph | jm_: Yes I believe it's supported. |
| 08:16.50 | jm_ | joseph: how did you check? |
| 08:16.53 | Radius_Vector | Wyzard: Oh yes :( |
| 08:16.56 | Wyzard | peterS: ah, sorry... close enough though :-) |
| 08:16.58 | liable | actually, think theres provision to use an iso with a usb disk install. |
| 08:17.10 | joseph | jm_: On other distributions, with the 'nv' driver, X works fine on this PC. |
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| 08:17.24 | Wyzard | liable: Yeah, that's how it works -- it boots, loop-mounts the iso, and runs the installer within |
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| 08:17.31 | jm_ | joseph: other distributions might have newer version of the driver - is it nv4x? are you using Sarge? |
| 08:17.41 | Wyzard | liable: You can't do a USB-disk install *without* putting an iso on the USB disk |
| 08:17.42 | peterS | Radius_Vector: as for the iso, if you have another unix/linux server, you can probably loopback-mount the iso on that machine and serve it via HTTP and use that to install, so as not to waste all that bandwidth again. if you want to go to that much trouble. |
| 08:17.54 | brodie | hi |
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| 08:18.06 | joseph | jm_: I'm not sure what is meant by nv4x, how do I check? I think I'm using Sarge--that's 3.1 stable right? |
| 08:18.09 | liable | Wyzard: yeah you can. i have done it. you just need the install kernel and initrd |
| 08:18.20 | Wyzard | liable: btw, lm-profiler is a shell script which does something involving /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 08:18.41 | liable | Wyzard: running it now :) |
| 08:18.43 | Wyzard | The comments call it "disk access profiling" |
| 08:18.47 | brodie | i need help installing the nvidia vga and nvidia nforce drivers on my debian amd64 system |
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| 08:19.04 | jm_ | joseph: it's an identifier used by Nvidia, use lspci to find out - yes, that's stable and it doesn't support nv4x chips, but Nvidia's driver does |
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| 08:19.29 | cat | is there any pdf converter to html? |
| 08:19.39 | cat | for example to convert, pdf to html |
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| 08:20.20 | row | cat: pdftohtml - Translates pdf documents into html format |
| 08:20.24 | weissi | cat: `apt-cache search pdftohtml |
| 08:20.24 | weissi | ` |
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| 08:20.42 | joseph | jm_: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0045 (rev a1) |
| 08:20.46 | peterS | better yet, apt-cache search pdf html convert |
| 08:20.47 | row | you need to learn howto search :) |
| 08:20.50 | peterS | then you don't have to already know the package name |
| 08:20.53 | jm_ | joseph: run update-pciids |
| 08:21.13 | Wyzard | hmm... apparently my disk accesses occurring every 5 seconds are due to "md0_raid1" |
| 08:21.14 | row | apt-cache search pdf | grep html also work |
| 08:21.15 | jm_ | josep: but as you can see, it's 6800GT |
| 08:21.15 | row | s |
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| 08:21.35 | Wyzard | Why is my array performing disk activity every five seconds when it's in sync and there are no processes reading or writing from it? |
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| 08:21.50 | joseph | jm_: Okay I trust you. I ran that command even though I have no idea what it did to my system. |
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| 08:22.19 | row | never run a command if you have no idea of what it does. |
| 08:22.33 | joseph | oops |
| 08:22.41 | joseph | format/reinstall? |
| 08:22.53 | jm_ | Wyzard: default commit interval is 5s for ext3 |
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| 08:23.07 | Wyzard | jm_: Even if there's nothing to commit? |
| 08:23.19 | peterS | Wyzard: there's almost always access time updates |
| 08:23.20 | liable | mount noatime? |
| 08:23.21 | Wyzard | jm_: (and I'm using reiser, not ext3, but presumably the same principle applies) |
| 08:23.26 | peterS | Wyzard: unless you mount with 'noatime' as liable just said |
| 08:23.31 | row | joseph: I am sure the cmd he gave you would not do that but still. |
| 08:23.34 | jm_ | Wyzard: yes, it runs periodically, there often is if you mount it with atime (default) |
| 08:23.36 | row | unwise move. |
| 08:23.56 | BR_W | If I have control over the mysql server, Is it possible to gain a shell? |
| 08:24.08 | Wyzard | hmm... but the profile info written to dmesg shows lots of WRITE, but not a single READ |
| 08:24.33 | row | BR_W: "mysql:x:105:106:MySQL Server,,,:/var/lib/mysql:/bin/false" |
| 08:24.39 | joseph | jm_: I ran lspci again and it said something different about the nvidia card in my system. |
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| 08:25.00 | joseph | jm_: It now correctly identifies the model. |
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| 08:25.07 | jm_ | joseph: that's why I told you to run update-pciids |
| 08:25.14 | joseph | jm_: Sorry I'm slow. |
| 08:25.25 | BR_W | row, and what about something like a shell? |
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| 08:26.12 | Wyzard | though maybe all the "dirtied inode" messages indicate atime updates |
| 08:26.58 | joseph | X log still says "(EE) No devices detected" though... |
| 08:27.15 | jm_ | that's because your nv driver still doesn't support it ;) |
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| 08:27.36 | joseph | jm_: Yea I kinda thought so. Would you mind giving me another hint? |
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| 08:27.44 | jm_ | joseph: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 08:28.11 | joseph | I did not receive that message. |
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| 08:28.20 | jm_ | did you ask dpkg to tell you? |
| 08:28.28 | joseph | Sorry, how do I do that? |
| 08:28.34 | jm_ | I just told you how |
| 08:28.39 | joseph | Okay thanks |
| 08:29.08 | joseph | This is for the nvidia binary driver |
| 08:29.27 | jm_ | yes |
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| 08:29.43 | joseph | Debian stable does not have an 'nv' driver that supports my video card? |
| 08:29.51 | joseph | (or did you already tell me that 2 times?) |
| 08:29.54 | Hordex | howdy |
| 08:30.01 | jm_ | no, unless you use X.org from backports |
| 08:30.13 | joseph | Is backports a repository |
| 08:30.14 | joseph | ? |
| 08:30.23 | jm_ | or if someone still has XFree86 release from sid backported to Sarge later on |
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| 08:30.41 | Wyzard | peterS, jm_: Nifty, remounting everything with noatime makes the periodic disk access go away -- thanks :-) |
| 08:31.03 | peterS | Wyzard: too bad I didn't remember that originally. it's a very well known thing. |
| 08:31.04 | jm_ | Wyzard: not sure why it bothers you |
| 08:31.06 | joseph | I'll just do the nvidia binary thanks for helping |
| 08:31.06 | Hordex | ok, im installing on a laptop (toshiba satellite 210CDT(Sarge)) and i get a hang when it tries to load the yenta socket, anyone have any ideas on how to work around this? |
| 08:31.19 | jm_ | yes, /msg dpkg backports |
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| 08:31.54 | Wyzard | jm_: It doesn't really... it's just useful to know |
| 08:31.56 | liable | Hordex: try expert26 at boot prompt and dont load pcmcia shits |
| 08:32.00 | peterS | Wyzard: btw, noatime means you can't tell when someone last accessed a file. this is usually not that important, but it screws up those programs that want to know "has the user read his mail since he last got any?" |
| 08:32.31 | Hordex | ok, that takes a fairly long time to install everything. ill keep you updated if i have any probs ;) |
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| 08:33.12 | row | is there a method of adding a mount point in fstab, but have it mount only after the pci drivers have been started etc, I have a sata card but the driver for it is loaded after fstab is checked so the mount point is never mounted at boot? |
| 08:33.15 | peterS | Wyzard: as well as the popularity-contest package, which wants to know whether you actually use any of the stuff you have installed |
| 08:33.31 | joseph | I have another question, before doing the nvidia one-liner. From Debian stable packages, which kernel should I use on this Intel P4? |
| 08:33.36 | Wyzard | jm_: What I'm really trying to troubleshoot is what seems like a reduction in disk performance since a few years ago... it seems like the system is sluggish when there's lots of disk activity going on, even though DMA is enabled, and I thought maybe these 5-second accesses were somehow related to that |
| 08:34.23 | liable | row: put the module in /etc/modules? dunno if those are loaded before mountall. |
| 08:34.40 | row | liable: k |
| 08:34.47 | Hordex | Ah, so that means no PCMCIA? |
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| 08:35.09 | phantomcircuit | if your ex is making out with someone in front of you, and the guy is doign it because he's a) to stupid b) is tryign to piss me off, do you think id be justified in cutting his achilles tendon and watchign him flop around liek a fish out of water |
| 08:35.21 | jm_ | josep: apt-cache search kernel p4 |
| 08:35.27 | liable | row: should actually. |
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| 08:36.00 | wols_ | liable: it is. modules is S20, mountall is S35 |
| 08:36.07 | wols_ | only root is mounted first I think |
| 08:36.10 | Hordex | i have an ethernet card for my network, will i still be able to use that? |
| 08:36.26 | liable | wols_: yeah, just read that :) |
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| 08:37.44 | peterS | Hordex: pcmcia? not sure. the thing is, pcmcia really means two different things - 16-bit and 32-bit. they are totally different, they just happen to use the same slots. don't know if disabling the one also disables the other. |
| 08:37.56 | peterS | Hordex: modern ethernet cards should be 32-bit, also known as 'cardbus' |
| 08:38.10 | peterS | the pcmcia that causes most of the trouble is the legacy 16-bit mode |
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| 08:39.47 | Hordex | cool well i guess wel soon find out, oh what components should i load? i have the install discs(1 trhough7) should i use baseconfig-udeb? |
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| 08:40.35 | peterS | yeah you want baseconfig |
| 08:40.52 | Hordex | kool |
| 08:40.59 | SonnyBurnett | Bye Folks |
| 08:41.01 | liable | Hordex: if you got the discs, you dont need net connection to install. |
| 08:41.03 | jm_ | the joy of advanced mode ;) |
| 08:41.11 | jm_ | or expert |
| 08:41.22 | Hordex | i know, i was just wondering for later on |
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| 08:41.52 | liable | Hordex: once you install see what happens when you insert the card. |
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| 08:42.49 | Hordex | just as long as it doesent go BANG im happy |
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| 08:43.38 | blafd | any one know the origins of this problem |
| 08:43.47 | blafd | im getting a kernel panic after recompiling my kernel |
| 08:43.57 | blafd | it sais it cant find /dev/console |
| 08:45.02 | jm_ | blafd: read the screen before that to find out - typically caused by not being able to mount rootfs |
| 08:45.14 | Hordex | I tried slackware last night but the boot loader decided not to work and i dont have any floppies on hand |
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| 08:46.18 | joseph | jm_: Alright, I have identified 18 possible kernel matches. |
| 08:46.40 | jm_ | joseph: right, you can trivially exclude some |
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| 08:47.23 | Hordex | oh what boot loader do you guys prefer? grub or lilo? |
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| 08:47.38 | peterS | Hordex: grub unless you know you have specific needs |
| 08:47.50 | peterS | Hordex: lilo may still have one or two advantages but they are obscure ones if so |
| 08:47.52 | liable | Hordex: grub is default nowadays and generally a good choice |
| 08:48.07 | blafd | it sais |
| 08:48.11 | blafd | unknown file system type |
| 08:48.15 | blafd | mount failed |
| 08:48.20 | jm_ | yeah |
| 08:48.24 | blafd | nice and criptical style |
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| 08:48.45 | Hordex | i really need to get my power connection fixed.... |
| 08:48.55 | Hordex | i think thats why my laptop is so messed up |
| 08:49.10 | blafd | let me see in the kernel if udev is actually on |
| 08:49.14 | blafd | where is that option? |
| 08:49.29 | peterS | blafd: it's not a kernel option |
| 08:49.34 | jm_ | menuconfig supports searching |
| 08:49.34 | liable | udev option? |
| 08:49.46 | peterS | blafd: the kernel needs certain things to support udev, but there isn't one "udev option" |
| 08:50.09 | blafd | ook.. how do i go forward, the stock debian kernel isnt having a issue |
| 08:50.17 | Hordex | KDE works good on debian? |
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| 08:50.22 | wols_ | blafd: and yiz szre yizr riit)&dev&xxx is set right for kernel bootprompt line and you have compiled your root fs into the kernel and not a module? |
| 08:50.29 | liable | blafd: keep using the debian kernel? |
| 08:50.38 | wols_ | fuck |
| 08:50.44 | blafd | liable, yeh right |
| 08:50.52 | liable | hah, was wondering wtf that was about.. |
| 08:50.58 | peterS | having some keyboard fun, wols_? |
| 08:51.00 | wols_ | blafd: and you're suhre that you use the right root=/dev/xxx setting? |
| 08:51.11 | liable | !yinzersmite wols_ |
| 08:51.17 | blafd | yeah as far as i am aware |
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| 08:51.23 | wols_ | peterS: I constantly put my finger on the wrong homerow. hilarity ensues... |
| 08:51.29 | blafd | it shouldnt of changed though |
| 08:51.35 | blafd | well it Isnt changed. |
| 08:51.48 | peterS | wols_: indeed. those little orientation bumps save me from doing that all the time |
| 08:51.53 | wols_ | blafd: check your bootloader settings there there is a root= setting for your ne kernel |
| 08:52.15 | blafd | yeah. there is |
| 08:52.22 | blafd | it points to hdc1 |
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| 08:52.36 | blafd | because my hdd is on the secondary ide channel as a master |
| 08:52.51 | joseph | Here are all 18 thatI found: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386, kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686, kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp, kernel-image-2.4-386, kernel-image-2.4-686, kernel-image-2.4-686-smp, kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386, kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686, kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686-smp, kernel-image-2.6-386, kernel-image-2.6-686, kernel-image-2.6-686-smp, kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386, |
| 08:53.08 | joseph | jm_: ^ |
| 08:53.12 | wols_ | joseph: that's nice, but what is the point of this list? |
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| 08:53.37 | joseph | wols_: From Debian stable packages, which kernel should I use on this Intel P4? |
| 08:53.45 | wols_ | P4 with HT? |
| 08:53.48 | joseph | Yes |
| 08:53.53 | liable | joseph: 2.6-686 |
| 08:53.54 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.00 | liable | oh, ht |
| 08:54.04 | wols_ | liable: HT= SMP no? |
| 08:54.08 | liable | yes |
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| 08:54.25 | blafd | ah |
| 08:54.31 | blafd | its not finding a ide driver all together |
| 08:54.40 | joseph | Right now I just have a clean install of stable and I have a 2.4 kernel. |
| 08:54.47 | joseph | So I should switch to 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:54.47 | wols_ | blafd: then you have't compiled one in |
| 08:54.50 | aaron_ | I keep getting the error: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory... |
| 08:54.55 | blafd | ha |
| 08:54.57 | blafd | i did too |
| 08:55.11 | blafd | what happed to generic ide |
| 08:55.14 | aaron_ | but i have libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 08:55.16 | wols_ | joseph: yes you should. actually you should have already installed with 2.6. just much nice and all (scheduler alone warrants upgrade) |
| 08:55.27 | wols_ | blafd: it always sucked. even more than specialized ide |
| 08:55.47 | wols_ | aaron_: well it wants 5. 5 != 6 |
| 08:56.05 | wols_ | aaron_: crappy binary only software? |
| 08:56.26 | aaron_ | um.. |
| 08:56.30 | joseph | wols_: I just downloaded and burned the Debian stable net install CD. I just chose the default choices and it gave me a 2.4 kernel. Is that not how it's supposed to work? |
| 08:56.51 | peterS | joseph: yes, 2.4 is the default. typing 'linux26' at the Boot: prompt gives you 2.6.8 instead |
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| 08:56.54 | aaron_ | wols_: I perfer binary in general |
| 08:56.56 | liable | joseph: yes, thats how it works. read the install guide for more info. |
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| 08:57.11 | aaron_ | wols_: I would hate to hafto compile everything |
| 08:57.33 | blafd | bah |
| 08:57.34 | joseph | Okay thanks for the help. |
| 08:57.42 | blafd | this machine is starting to get on my nerves now |
| 08:57.57 | blafd | dont ever think a Dell gx270 will make a good little staiton |
| 08:58.13 | liable | blafd: so whats wrong with the debian kernel. |
| 08:58.25 | joseph | Should I format and reinstall and type 'linux26' at the Boot prompt? Did installing with 2.4 kernel have any permanent consequences? |
| 08:58.29 | blafd | i want 2.6.16 |
| 08:58.39 | liable | joseph: no, just install the kernel |
| 08:58.56 | liable | blafd: want or need? |
| 08:59.06 | wols_ | aaron_: I hate bianry only cause it's usually non free stuff hiding their crap |
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| 08:59.23 | wols_ | and if you prefer binary aka closed source, then debian really is the wrong place for you :) |
| 08:59.46 | wols_ | I didn't say you have to compile it yourself. just that you can if you need/want to |
| 08:59.53 | liable | blafd: there is a 2.6.16 image in sid, but you'll prolly need yaird or someshit |
| 09:00.21 | aaron_ | wols_: I don't like compiling, cause im lazy ;-) |
| 09:00.24 | wols_ | JoshH: only install with 2.6 if you install again. short of new harddisk or broken harddisk, one never reinstalls debian |
| 09:00.35 | Hordex | no it sux |
| 09:00.38 | Hordex | dont do it |
| 09:00.41 | blafd | hm |
| 09:00.42 | Hordex | reinstalling |
| 09:01.15 | aaron_ | wols_: I also just want to get this thing resolved |
| 09:01.27 | aaron_ | wols_: any ideas? |
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| 09:02.08 | wols_ | aaron_: get a new version of that software (compailed against liobstdc++.so.6) or get the library it wants. no other possibilities |
| 09:02.44 | wols_ | info libstdc++5 |
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| 09:02.53 | aaron_ | wols_: Can i have 2 diff. versions of gcc? (ow wat ever it wants) |
| 09:02.57 | wols_ | well it is in sid at least |
| 09:03.27 | wols_ | aaron_: as many as you want. the ine named /usr/bin/gcc (which is only a symlink) is the default, but there will be others like gcc-3.3, gcc3.4, gcc-4.0 etc |
| 09:03.30 | wols_ | all installed at once |
| 09:03.39 | wols_ | libstdc++5 - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 |
| 09:03.44 | blafd | that pisses me off though lads |
| 09:03.46 | wols_ | so I guess it's in sarge too |
| 09:03.48 | blafd | thats why i like debian |
| 09:03.53 | blafd | cause i normally just drop it in |
| 09:04.05 | blafd | and compile a fresh kernel in a working devel enviroment |
| 09:04.10 | blafd | that is now falling apart? |
| 09:04.25 | peterS | aaron_: anyway, libstdc++5 should still be available as a package, just install it |
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| 09:05.13 | wols_ | blafd: why would it fall apart. you go into menuconfig again. fix your ide issue and make-kpkg again |
| 09:05.13 | aaron_ | peterS: just using: apt-get install libstdc++5 ? |
| 09:05.16 | wols_ | that's all |
| 09:05.20 | wols_ | aaron_: yes |
| 09:05.28 | peterS | yep |
| 09:05.52 | ma3x | wols_, waddup~ |
| 09:05.53 | blafd | maybe 2.6's generic eide support is b0rked |
| 09:05.57 | wols_ | aaron_: see how bad software is when it's not in a debian repository with all dependencies spelld out. it just blows |
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| 09:06.13 | aaron_ | wols_: lol |
| 09:06.15 | wols_ | blafd: I hazard a guess and your ide configuration is a little borked |
| 09:06.18 | blafd | i just riped out every other type of controller |
| 09:06.26 | liable | blafd: if you compile without intrd, build in your mobos ide controller. |
| 09:06.27 | aaron_ | wols_: i seem to survive in slackware ;-) |
| 09:06.32 | wols_ | or you have really really new hardware (sata perhaps) and compiled an old kernel for it |
| 09:06.49 | wols_ | aaron_: it's evil. EVIL I tell ya! |
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| 09:07.01 | liable | bwahaha?? |
| 09:07.04 | ma3x | wols_, evil is good |
| 09:07.10 | aaron_ | peterS: wow, thanks alot! |
| 09:07.21 | joseph | do I need to add contrib and non-free on the security repository? |
| 09:07.43 | wols_ | JoshH: you don't need to. your choice |
| 09:07.49 | peterS | aaron_: note, if you type 'ldd /usr/bin/whatever' and it shows *both* libstdc++5 and libstdc++6, it's buggy and *might* malfunction. |
| 09:07.51 | aaron_ | wols_: do u happen to have a nvidia card? |
| 09:07.56 | wols_ | aaron_: yes |
| 09:08.00 | peterS | aaron_: this can happen if you have a libstdc++5 program linked to a libstdc++6 library |
| 09:08.11 | aaron_ | peterS: k |
| 09:08.20 | liable | does non-free get sevurity?? |
| 09:08.26 | liable | security too |
| 09:08.32 | peterS | liable: when possible and when convenient. |
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| 09:08.45 | aaron_ | wols_: can u help me out, installing the driver? (new to debian)... |
| 09:08.48 | peterS | liable: it's not always possible because some non-free software doesn't come with source code so we can't fix bugs |
| 09:08.58 | wols_ | !nvidia |
| 09:08.58 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 09:09.03 | liable | peterS: right, thought i vaguely remember reading it didnt.. |
| 09:09.24 | wols_ | aaron_: I never ever installed it the way dpkg recommends. I've been naughty and installed it with the installer... |
| 09:09.48 | aaron_ | wols_: thats how i wanna do it |
| 09:10.04 | aaron_ | wols_: but i need some help getting the kernel source |
| 09:10.17 | aaron_ | wols_: i keep getting errors, i need it |
| 09:10.20 | wols_ | aaron_: which source? source for what? |
| 09:10.33 | liable | bbq source? |
| 09:10.34 | wols_ | if you get errors about version.h, get kernel-headers |
| 09:10.42 | wols_ | liable: that's the best |
| 09:11.12 | aaron_ | wols_: i just get errors, that it can't find it |
| 09:11.18 | d4t2ilL4 | i have a minor problem, when booting up it says ahci cant be loaded, I believe its a driver module to support new sata controllers |
| 09:11.31 | wols_ | aaron_: have you installed kernel source? are you useing module-assistant? |
| 09:11.41 | aaron_ | um.. |
| 09:11.42 | d4t2ilL4 | how can i have a clearer look of the problem? and unload it manually ? |
| 09:11.58 | wols_ | aaron_: and unless you tell us _which_ source we can't help you. our mindreading is broken now that abrotman is not here |
| 09:12.41 | wols_ | d4t2ilL4: demsg, syslog perhaps |
| 09:12.48 | wols_ | unloading stuff: rmmod |
| 09:12.49 | aaron_ | wols_: wat do i type exactally, to get the kernel source, for the nvidia driver? (forgive my debian noobness) |
| 09:12.59 | joseph | Which kernel-headers package should I install? I think these are my 7 choices: kernel-headers-2.6.8-11, kernel-headers-2.6.8-2, kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686-smp, kernel-headers-2.6-686-smp, kernel-headers-2.6.8-12, kernel-headers-2.6.8-3, and kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686-smp. |
| 09:13.14 | jm_ | those that match your kernel |
| 09:13.21 | d4t2ilL4 | wols_, thanks |
| 09:13.30 | wols_ | aaron_: apt-cache search nvidia-kernel. download the one for your kernel |
| 09:13.38 | wols_ | aaron_: also install module-assistant and run it |
| 09:13.53 | wols_ | JoshH: the one which is for the kernel you just installed |
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| 09:14.01 | wols_ | joseph: |
| 09:14.01 | smeevil | hello all |
| 09:14.08 | wols_ | and now think hard which one you installed... |
| 09:14.25 | aaron_ | wols_: 1) what is the command (if any), to see the kernel version, 2) how do i install the module-assistant? |
| 09:14.26 | blafd | ah |
| 09:14.27 | blafd | hmm |
| 09:14.38 | blafd | it might be some SATA ICH2 chip weirdness |
| 09:14.39 | smeevil | could someone please tell me how i can solve complile errors like this one : /usr/include/linux/kernel.h:104: error: syntax error before 'size_t' I 've had it once before in the past, but forgot what the solution was |
| 09:14.43 | wols_ | aaron_: uname -a |
| 09:14.43 | blafd | controlling the IDE as well |
| 09:14.49 | joseph | kernel-headers-2.6-686-smp ? |
| 09:15.00 | wols_ | aaron_: and you just installed libstdc++5, it's the same way to do it |
| 09:15.04 | blafd | because with these new age sata controller you can set them back to pata mode |
| 09:15.06 | wdamn | aaron_: !1) uname -a 2) apt-get install module-assistant |
| 09:15.20 | blafd | but on some dell worksations ahem optiplex gx270, you cant |
| 09:16.18 | wols_ | blafd: would be a bit strange considering a pata controller has only pata connectors and sata only sata ones... |
| 09:16.35 | wols_ | and they also are both inside the same multipin monster southbridge |
| 09:16.48 | aaron_ | wols_: 'pt-cache search nvidia-kernel'doesn't return anything |
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| 09:16.56 | aaron_ | *apt |
| 09:17.16 | wols_ | apt-cache search nvidia then |
| 09:17.23 | wols_ | you'll get a bit more |
| 09:17.33 | wols_ | tho: dpkg tells you exactly what to do better than I could. so use it |
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| 09:18.01 | joseph | Okay I did the nvidia one-liner. I think I need instructions on how to make configuration changes so that X uses the nvidia binary driver properly. |
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| 09:18.18 | aaron_ | wols_: nothing about kernel there |
| 09:18.29 | liable | !drxx jojo_ |
| 09:18.29 | dpkg | jojo_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:18.32 | wols_ | aaron_: what version of debian? |
| 09:18.39 | liable | err |
| 09:18.42 | aaron_ | wols_: testing |
| 09:18.46 | liable | joseph: ^^ |
| 09:18.49 | d4t2ilL4 | wols_, I saw some error when it at boot up, but then when i scan thru syslog its notthere.... is that possible? |
| 09:19.18 | wols_ | d4t2ilL4: look with dmesg or in kern.log |
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| 09:19.35 | wols_ | aaron_: then there will be nvidia kernel module sources. many of them |
| 09:20.01 | wols_ | aaron_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia-kernel&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
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| 09:21.32 | Charlichaplin | hi |
| 09:21.44 | aaron_ | wols_: should i just download mine through the web browser? |
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| 09:22.21 | joseph | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 09:22.43 | wols_ | aaron_: no. through apt. read what dpkg tells you |
| 09:23.02 | aaron_ | where is dpkg? |
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| 09:23.42 | wols_ | dpkg: where are you? |
| 09:23.43 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 09:23.48 | wols_ | there it is |
| 09:23.58 | wols_ | !tell aaron about nvidia |
| 09:24.03 | liable | -117?? |
| 09:24.32 | liable | i spose thats east. |
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| 09:24.49 | joseph | I have done the nvidia one-liner and now I receive this error: |
| 09:24.50 | joseph | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 09:24.53 | d4t2ilL4 | whats shcphp? |
| 09:24.58 | joseph | Would anyone be able to help? Thanks. |
| 09:25.11 | aaron_ | dpkg, wat do i do? |
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| 09:25.22 | liable | joseph: did the one-liner complete without errors? |
| 09:25.32 | liable | aidan: dpkg is a bot |
| 09:25.37 | joseph | liable: yes I believe so |
| 09:25.41 | wols_ | joseph: you haven't installed the compiled module(s). have you loaded the nvidia driver? |
| 09:25.51 | liable | joseph: do it again, and pay attention to any errors. |
| 09:25.54 | wols_ | the kernel module? |
| 09:25.55 | resiak | !tell aaron_ about nvidia |
| 09:26.00 | resiak | wols_: (You missed the _ |
| 09:26.12 | joseph | wols_: I don't know if I've loaded the nvidia driver? How do I check? |
| 09:26.28 | wols_ | joseph: lsmod |
| 09:26.45 | wols_ | resiak: thanks |
| 09:26.57 | d4t2ilL4 | hello whats shpchp? |
| 09:26.59 | wols_ | joseph: and do what liable said |
| 09:27.06 | joseph | wols_: Pattern not found : nvidia |
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| 09:27.35 | kameron | if i want to sort through a list of files and show files that do not contain a certain string, how would i do this? |
| 09:28.01 | liable | joseph: copy and paste the one liner. up to the (or xserver-xorg bit, but not including) |
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| 09:28.37 | jm_ | kameron: man grep |
| 09:28.42 | aaron_ | wols_: dpkg is a pain in the ass to talk to |
| 09:28.54 | peterS | she usually listens to me |
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| 09:28.56 | wols_ | what did you expect? it's a bot! |
| 09:28.57 | liable | !fuck aaron_ |
| 09:29.00 | kameron | jm_, -v is the flag i'm looking for. |
| 09:29.04 | liable | :( |
| 09:29.17 | wols_ | !tell aaron_ about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 09:29.36 | joseph | liable: I did the one-liner again and it installed some new stuff. Now I can launch X. |
| 09:29.44 | liable | joseph: yay :) |
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| 09:29.58 | wols_ | liable: maybe aaron_ is underage? or maybe today dpkg is a lesbian? |
| 09:30.02 | wols_ | !gender |
| 09:30.02 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
| 09:30.11 | wols_ | or that. catholic i guess |
| 09:30.17 | liable | wols_: yeah, i've heard dpkg is a lesbian. :) |
| 09:30.32 | peterS | I don't think she is |
| 09:30.41 | liable | i think theres been a clean up of the database though.. |
| 09:30.52 | jm_ | kameron: right |
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| 09:30.57 | wols_ | I've seen it a few days agao |
| 09:31.10 | wols_ | but she changes sexual orientation faster than I my socks |
| 09:31.12 | liable | !gender |
| 09:31.12 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 09:31.26 | liable | gay == lesbian :) |
| 09:31.54 | joseph | On to my next question: Is there a way to pruneprune out the modules and services that I don't need? Would that help free up resources and/or improve performance? |
| 09:31.56 | wols_ | for strange values of gay perhaps |
| 09:32.13 | wols_ | joseph: minimally. and what is it you don't need? |
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| 09:32.26 | wols_ | what can sometimes help is to remove some startup stuff to reduce boot time |
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| 09:33.33 | oWo2002 | Hi, I forgot the name of the program I used to use for port scanning :\ could someone tell me about one plz? |
| 09:33.48 | wols_ | nmap |
| 09:34.00 | oWo2002 | wols_: thx that's it :) |
| 09:34.01 | peterS | oWo2002: see this is why God created "apt-cache search" |
| 09:34.17 | wols_ | peterS: self typing is HARD. better ask others |
| 09:34.19 | aaron_ | wols_: apt-get can't find nvidia-kernel-common |
| 09:34.33 | liable | !be an apt-cache barbie |
| 09:34.34 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 09:34.35 | oWo2002 | peterS: thx but already done wihout finding the name I was looking for |
| 09:35.19 | row | hey what does the debian vserver package use? xen? |
| 09:35.30 | wols_ | it uses vserver, duh |
| 09:35.37 | wols_ | an no that's not xen |
| 09:35.40 | row | nm found it |
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| 09:36.12 | wols_ | aaron_: there is no -common. ignore it I'd say |
| 09:36.21 | wols_ | or look at the one-liner to see what's all needed |
| 09:36.28 | wols_ | it's probably more up to date |
| 09:37.33 | comsa | having mice problems start startx,as display starts get an error cant find mouse.how to fix please |
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| 09:39.40 | wols_ | !drxx comsa |
| 09:39.41 | dpkg | comsa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:40.10 | comsa | thanks |
| 09:40.23 | osiris_ | possible to get XGL running on debian? |
| 09:40.47 | wols_ | possible: sure. supported: not yet |
| 09:40.49 | wols_ | afaik |
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| 09:42.10 | osiris_ | yeah silly question, ofc possible, was more after a point in direction for how to get it running,'.. been going trough a lot of google hits, and those I have found so far guides u trough xgl on ubuntu (since xserver-xgl is possible there via apt-get) |
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| 09:43.02 | osiris_ | or maybe someone with an idea when it will be available in etch? |
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| 09:45.08 | wols_ | !wir |
| 09:45.09 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 09:45.40 | wols_ | two hoices I see: compile it from source from the XGL ewbsite, or get the ubuntu source and make a deb from that by compiling it |
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| 09:47.39 | Schick | during the boot process my system gets stucked while check the harddrive (forced every 60 mounts). im running kernel 2.6x. is there an option to boot directly to a shell without having the harddrive being checked? my system is a hp dv4000 laptop. thanks for help |
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| 09:48.50 | wols_ | you can disable the check with tune2fs I think |
| 09:49.15 | Schick | yeah, but i cannot get into my system... |
| 09:49.15 | kreg_work | there an rc.local equivelent concept in debian? |
| 09:49.32 | adii | is there a program which can check if something is running, and launch it if it is not ? |
| 09:50.07 | wols_ | adii: usually done by a script |
| 09:50.18 | kreg_work | this considered dirty? |
| 09:50.19 | kreg_work | http://www.plope.com/Members/chrism/debian_rc_local_equiv |
| 09:51.49 | wols_ | imho no. just a rc.local |
| 09:52.21 | wols_ | it's good debian has it from the start since there are proper names for OS startup scripts, but when the user needs one, that's fine |
| 09:52.24 | liable | kreg_work: thats fine. |
| 09:52.44 | wols_ | *hasn't it from... |
| 09:52.56 | kreg_work | what is the philosophy that keeps such a thing showing up in debian? |
| 09:53.54 | liable | kreg_work: /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 09:54.15 | liable | kreg_work: but really, no idea.. |
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| 09:54.38 | kreg_work | i've readem, and i understand each distro is governed by some higher initial concepts, but still seems like an ordinary script to have around |
| 09:55.40 | kreg_work | i have the same feeling towards the files in /etc/skel. i think colors from ls should be standard without the need to edit them to enable the features |
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| 09:55.48 | agntorgn | is the mkinitramfs-kpkg script broken in sid/i386 ?? |
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| 09:56.10 | xstation | hi all |
| 09:56.37 | agntorgn | how can i force dpkg to use yaird ?? |
| 09:57.03 | xstation | still trying to install sarge 3.1r1 on hda1 sementation problem forum no responce |
| 09:57.23 | peterS | agntorgn: /etc/kernel-img.conf "ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird" |
| 09:57.57 | peterS | agntorgn: that should affect ramdisk generation for kernels which are subsequently installed or reconfigured |
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| 09:58.15 | agntorgn | peterS: thank you |
| 09:58.23 | xstation | segmentation problem |
| 09:59.03 | xstation | are there any forums for debian other than debian users forum |
| 09:59.36 | peterS | xstation: we're all about mailing lists, if you don't like forums.debian.net you should see lists.debian.org |
| 09:59.40 | menko | xstation: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianResources |
| 10:00.29 | menko | heh, I should probably get more into mailiing lists. Usually when I'm looking for answers they can be found thee |
| 10:00.29 | peterS | literally hundreds of lists. the one you're looking for is probably debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 10:00.58 | xstation | peter5/menko: thanks I will try milkman mailing list |
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| 10:01.22 | weissi_ | !milkman |
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| 10:02.45 | LinusX | moin moin |
| 10:03.15 | kreg_work | greets |
| 10:03.18 | SilverMoonDragon | moin to you too LinusX |
| 10:03.23 | SilverMoonDragon | ;) |
| 10:03.42 | kreg_work | gnu'nornin |
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| 10:03.49 | LinusX | kann man hier deutsch schreiben? |
| 10:04.02 | weissi | !de |
| 10:04.03 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 10:04.11 | peterS | nicht hier |
| 10:04.22 | LinusX | oh thx oki cu |
| 10:04.33 | vrt|work | hello all, |
| 10:04.48 | vrt|work | once ipsec is installed, shouldn't there be a folder like /proc/net/ipsec ? |
| 10:04.55 | vrt|work | or /proc/sys/net/ipsec ? |
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| 10:05.42 | agntorgn | okay the kernel update is now successful with yaird, the next/last thing which doesnt work is the update for nfs-common on sid/x86: "Stopping NFS common utilities:invoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "restart" failed." has anyone a solution? |
| 10:06.02 | kreg_work | i guess modconf, update-modules, and such elude my concepts. i modprobed a module. then ran update-modules. after that i check with modconf if there was a "+" sign next to it. yes there was. on reboot the module isn't loaded. wtf? |
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| 10:07.31 | wols_ | kreg_work: only modules in /etc/modules are loaded |
| 10:07.54 | wols_ | same like if you set up your eth interface with ifconfig manually and then wonder why it won't work aftetr a reboot |
| 10:08.04 | kreg_work | how come the module loaded with modprobe didn't reload after i ran update-modules? |
| 10:08.38 | jm_ | using module-init-tools? |
| 10:08.52 | kreg_work | something else must be doing other stuff, because there are tons of modules not in /etc/modules that are loading |
| 10:08.54 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.57 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:09.23 | kreg_work | trying to learn how the heck to manage modules in debian |
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| 10:09.44 | wols_ | the modules in there might be loaded by discover automatically |
| 10:09.53 | peterS | kreg_work: most of the confusion stems from two incompatible module systems - the old one for kernels 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, the new one for kernel 2.6 |
| 10:10.03 | kreg_work | is that why i get a 30second "calculating modules deps" durring boot? |
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| 10:10.12 | jm_ | 30seconds? haha |
| 10:10.12 | efaistos | hi |
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| 10:10.19 | kreg_work | p1 200mhz |
| 10:10.22 | kreg_work | old |
| 10:10.27 | peterS | kreg_work: the old one is modutils which uses update-modules and /etc/modutils/*. the new one is module-init-tools which does *not* require update-modules - it uses /etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 10:10.40 | jm_ | it's much much faster on my PII 333MHz |
| 10:10.41 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 10:10.48 | kreg_work | jm_ >: ) |
| 10:10.51 | efaistos | do you know a encrypted peer2peer ? I dont remember the name of one I knew ... free something ... |
| 10:11.00 | peterS | kreg_work: "calculating module deps" is needed for both systems, but really it's only needed at kernel install time. doing it at boot time is just sort of an extra just-in-case thing |
| 10:11.01 | qzio | Should i go suPHP or suExec for my apache2/php5-cgi/mysql-server5 installation ? |
| 10:11.02 | jm_ | kreg_work: ahh wait, you're using Debian kernel, right? |
| 10:11.07 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 10:11.19 | kreg_work | jm_, ya. 2.5 |
| 10:11.19 | kreg_work | er |
| 10:11.21 | kreg_work | 2.4 |
| 10:11.25 | kreg_work | sarge |
| 10:11.34 | jm_ | kreg_work: right, that one has a lot of modules, so it takes time - I use a custom kernel |
| 10:11.52 | kreg_work | what's running the calc mod deps durring boot? |
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| 10:12.13 | jm_ | one of the /etc/init.d scripts |
| 10:12.17 | kreg_work | k |
| 10:12.17 | peterS | kreg_work: /etc/rcS.d/S20modutils |
| 10:12.20 | jm_ | possibly modutils in your case |
| 10:12.27 | TipTap | hey guys, am i right in thinking that i can install sendmail, and not configure any of it to run as a mailserver and use the /usr/sbin/sendmail file to sendmail as a MTA? i.e. locally on the box do sendmail -t for example and send a mail? |
| 10:12.51 | kreg_work | ok. well that must be determing what modules need loading, becaues i can't find a conf listing the modules that end up being loaded each boot |
| 10:12.54 | TipTap | or would i need to configure it, despite me not wanting to run it as a mailserver for external access? |
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| 10:12.58 | kreg_work | like somekind of debina "kudzu" or something |
| 10:13.13 | Fox_1_ | hi al |
| 10:13.16 | jm_ | kreg_work: no, that's basically generating modules.dep file |
| 10:13.21 | peterS | kreg_work: there are several such systems, doing slightly different things. that's a confusing point in itself. |
| 10:13.28 | Fox_1_ | how can i create FIFO file in debian? |
| 10:13.36 | jm_ | Fox_1_: in shell or what? |
| 10:13.49 | peterS | kreg_work: there is /etc/modules, a static list of modules *you* want installed. there is 'discover', and 'hotplug', and modern versions of 'udev', which all do some form of hardware detection |
| 10:13.53 | TipTap | Fox_1_, man mknod |
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| 10:13.59 | kreg_work | ok i'll try to forget the messages in 2.4 and previous |
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| 10:15.12 | Fox_1_ | how can i create FIFO file in debian? |
| 10:15.34 | kreg_work | er module methods in 2.4 and < |
| 10:15.36 | bbrazil | Fox_1_: mkfifo |
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| 10:16.26 | weissi | Fox_1_, mknod <fifo-filename> p |
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| 10:18.34 | Fox_1_ | hi |
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| 10:19.28 | Fox_1_ | does anyone here? |
| 10:19.55 | weissi | yes I do :-) |
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| 10:21.46 | Fox_1_ | how can i create FIFO file in linux? |
| 10:21.52 | row | to make sure a module does not load do you prefix it with "-" in the modules file? |
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| 10:22.44 | jm_ | row: man modules |
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| 10:22.48 | petemc | Fox_1_: apropos fifo |
| 10:22.52 | pengol | hi there how do I clean the debs db from the version of the custom kernel I have removed? |
| 10:23.26 | gnufan2 | !beer |
| 10:23.26 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 10:23.59 | TipTap | hmm, i'm trying to send a test mail sendmail -v email@address.com but it just hangs, when i strace it, it hangs on read(0, ... after it queries the dns server and doesioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = |
| 10:24.08 | row | jm_: that really says feck all. |
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| 10:24.18 | gnufan2 | !apt search libstdc++.so.2.8 |
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| 10:25.04 | Waimea | hi guys |
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| 10:25.47 | jm_ | row: you're wrong |
| 10:25.56 | gnufan2 | brain fade, how do I ask the bots to tell me where I find libstdc++.so.2.8 |
| 10:26.49 | jm_ | !tell gnufan2 -about search |
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| 10:30.04 | Trent- | whats the script i need to edit to upgrade from stable to testing? |
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| 10:30.21 | azeem | Trent-: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:30.26 | Trent- | thanks |
| 10:30.27 | azeem | Trent-: but beware, you cannot go back |
| 10:30.50 | Trent- | with the security updates, i change them to testing ro right? |
| 10:31.00 | azeem | yes, I think so |
| 10:31.02 | azeem | hrm, wait |
| 10:31.15 | azeem | !testing security |
| 10:31.15 | dpkg | [testing security] Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
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| 10:31.27 | a-atwood_home | heh. testing is more stable than anyone elses prod releases |
| 10:31.44 | Trent- | so update the security downloads to testing? |
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| 10:31.57 | d4t2ilL4 | hi |
| 10:32.07 | azeem | Trent-: read the link |
| 10:32.21 | Trent- | i guess not :P |
| 10:32.29 | d4t2ilL4 | how can i message a person who log into my server with ssh, via pts/2 |
| 10:33.06 | weissi | d4t2ilL4, if mesg is "y" (enabled): write <username> [<tty>] |
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| 10:38.16 | d4t2ilL4 | ttly |
| 10:38.37 | d4t2ilL4 | he is in ssh so its pts/2 |
| 10:39.10 | weissi | d4t2ilL4, I think, it doesn't matter, try `write user pts/2` |
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| 10:39.59 | d4t2ilL4 | yes okie thanks |
| 10:40.02 | d4t2ilL4 | figured it out |
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| 10:42.24 | messia | hi boys |
| 10:42.33 | messia | I have this problem: |
| 10:42.34 | messia | Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 10:42.58 | messia | I can't resolve, anyone have a Idea? |
| 10:43.54 | sep | messia, perhaps if you passted the commandline you used to try the connect. but it sounds like you are using a socket like a host since it shoudnt need to resolve a socet |
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| 10:45.12 | messia | sep I use /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 10:45.31 | jm_ | netstat will tell you where it listens on |
| 10:45.33 | jm_ | or lsof |
| 10:45.51 | Werl^work | is it possible to install debain through a IDE pci card? |
| 10:46.29 | Malagmyr | !find /usr/lib/libxml2.so |
| 10:46.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/usr/lib/libxml2.so' (1): (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.6.23) in libdevel/libxml2-dbg. |
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| 10:47.14 | Werl^work | if someone know how to pm me |
| 10:47.18 | Malagmyr | er. What does that mean I have to install? |
| 10:47.39 | jm_ | Malagmyr: it told you ... |
| 10:48.27 | Malagmyr | I know... I just don't quite understand what it's saying. |
| 10:48.32 | jm_ | libxml2 |
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| 10:50.22 | Werl^work | how can i make debian find my HDD trough a IDE card? |
| 10:50.34 | nn- | modprobe ide-detect |
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| 10:52.40 | Werl^work | nn- where should i write that? at identify hardware? |
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| 10:54.31 | nn- | Werl^work: are you currently installing debian? |
| 10:54.46 | jm_ | no, he's installing debain |
| 10:55.10 | Werl^work | ya, i just started i get stuck at identyfing the hardrive |
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| 10:59.19 | Talnakh_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:59.39 | debian | !seen grey |
| 10:59.39 | dpkg | grey <~grey@toronto-HSE-ppp4309274.sympatico.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 362d 5h 39m 49s ago, saying: 'What's the fastest easiest way to get a new kernel installed on debian? I got the 2.6.8 source tree downloaded, but do I have to extract, make menuconfig etc. etc.?'. |
| 10:59.48 | xfrye | can anyone point me to the documentation where it describes each ISO package for sarge i386? |
| 11:00.03 | jm_ | ISO package? |
| 11:00.26 | xfrye | jm_: yes, the downloadable ISOs |
| 11:00.26 | debian | the !seen doesn't seem to be very accurate |
| 11:00.40 | jm_ | xfrye: I have no idea what you mean with package |
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| 11:00.44 | Werl^work | nn- what should i write in that window something module stuff at indentifying hardware? |
| 11:00.50 | nn- | Werl^work: I am not an expert on the installer.. do have the latest version? |
| 11:01.02 | vorsprung | Talnakh_, not really as part of the load is DNS lookups of arbitary addresses |
| 11:01.17 | Werl^work | nn- ya, i thinks so |
| 11:01.22 | xfrye | jm_: The ISO images used to install debian sarge |
| 11:01.24 | vorsprung | Talnakh_, you could send a load of stuff to a set of tame test addresses I suppose |
| 11:01.54 | jm_ | xfrye: what do you want to know about them? |
| 11:01.56 | blafd | so lads |
| 11:02.08 | Talnakh_ | vorsprung, what do you mean? |
| 11:02.14 | nn- | Werl^work: maybe you should switch to a terminal and ensure the ide-modules are loaded correctly |
| 11:02.25 | blafd | am i correct in beliveing that these ICH SATA controllers provide backward compatibilty to Pata? |
| 11:02.35 | nn- | Werl^work: press alt+f2 and type lsmod |
| 11:02.40 | vorsprung | Talnakh_, you could write a shell script that called "mail" lots of times |
| 11:02.42 | blafd | and are actually native sata chips running in some kind of emulation mode |
| 11:03.01 | Werl^work | nn- i tried the modprobe ide-detect but it says it still says it cant find the hardrive |
| 11:03.01 | jm_ | blafd: some BIOS-es let you enable legacy mode, but not all |
| 11:03.18 | Werl^work | just i sec ill try that |
| 11:03.43 | Talnakh_ | vorsprung, thanks i thought about it. hoped that maybe someone has comeup with a utility to do taht |
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| 11:04.02 | xfrye | jm_: There are a lot of ISO images for sarge, I want to know basically what they are for |
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| 11:04.26 | xfrye | jm_: So I could choose which of them I need to download. |
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| 11:04.43 | Werl^work | but should it find them trough a IDE card, Bios find the hardrive but it seems like debian won´t |
| 11:04.45 | jm_ | xfrye: they contain packages, you should use netinst ISO if you have decent internet connection to install the rest from |
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| 11:04.54 | nn- | Werl^work: you will usually need four modules to access an ide hd: ide-disk, ide-detect, ide-core and a driver for the controller - make sure they're loaded correctly |
| 11:04.57 | mike-_- | uhm, /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs-kgkg: line 55: supported_host_version: unbound variable |
| 11:05.21 | mike-_- | just reinstalled |
| 11:05.51 | mike-_- | chang the variable ? |
| 11:05.55 | mike-_- | change * |
| 11:05.57 | xfrye | jm_: Is there any written description for those images? |
| 11:06.23 | jm_ | xfrye: they just differ in the list of packages on them, you can get that easily -- /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 11:06.40 | mike-_- | didnt work |
| 11:06.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:06.47 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:06.49 | xfrye | jm_: thanks |
| 11:07.14 | mike-_- | hmh, maybe changing it to the right one will |
| 11:07.19 | jm_ | xfrye: not quite sure about bootable status of all of them, the first one definitely is |
| 11:07.20 | Werl^work | nn- how am i suppose to install the drivers for the IDE card then? |
| 11:07.45 | mike-_- | damnit |
| 11:07.51 | xfrye | jm_: got it, thanks. |
| 11:08.00 | blafd | hmmf |
| 11:08.01 | blafd | ok |
| 11:08.06 | mike-_- | someone with a clue of what their doing can fix it sometime |
| 11:08.24 | blafd | I give up now |
| 11:08.28 | blafd | ;( |
| 11:08.47 | mike-_- | blafd, whats the problem |
| 11:09.20 | blafd | cant get this ich ide controller to work |
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| 11:09.39 | mike-_- | loaded the correct module? |
| 11:09.40 | nn- | Werl^work: modprobe ide-core ide-disk ide-test {ide chipset driver}, but that should usually be done automatically |
| 11:09.44 | blafd | wont let me inbuild either |
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| 11:10.01 | mike-_- | tried a home compile kernel? |
| 11:10.10 | blafd | thats what it is.. |
| 11:10.21 | blafd | 2.6.16 stock. |
| 11:10.40 | mike-_- | u'll figure it out |
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| 11:10.59 | Werl^work | nn- im almost sure theres only windows drivers on the cd but u think debian it self could find a compatible driver? |
| 11:11.34 | shingouz | Werl^work: try going into the console with alt-f2 and modprobing the drivers you were told to |
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| 11:12.07 | nn- | shingouz: i don't think that will help much because we don't know what ide controller he's using |
| 11:12.32 | shingouz | nn-: Werl^work lspci should pop up some information for you |
| 11:12.47 | nn- | shingouz: is it included in the base system? |
| 11:12.55 | Werl^work | !spci |
| 11:13.04 | shingouz | nn-: not sure, worth trying at least |
| 11:13.14 | jm_ | shingouz: not available during installation phase |
| 11:13.15 | shingouz | Werl^work: lspci in the console.... |
| 11:13.22 | shingouz | ah. bad in that case |
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| 11:13.50 | shingouz | crack open the box and visually inspect the card? |
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| 11:15.10 | is_null | hello, i whould like to boot on my windows partition using vmware, i can get to boot on the physical /boot partition (grub powered) throught vmware, but then it's not booting windows 2000 |
| 11:15.24 | Werl^work | Extreme I0 PCI peripheral conteroller card |
| 11:15.45 | mike-_- | argh, i have to stop reinstalling i never remember what i did to get it working again |
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| 11:16.03 | nn- | Werl^work: check out what module supports that card and modprobe it manually |
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| 11:17.14 | nn- | Werl^work: the suse hardware db is a good place to find the corresponding module for a specific device |
| 11:17.16 | Werl^work | im in the console what to do lspci wont work |
| 11:17.42 | Werl^work | what should i write here? |
| 11:17.52 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:17.52 | dpkg | i heard qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 11:19.24 | Werl^work | tarzeau not found |
| 11:19.54 | shingouz | Werl^work: try " modprobe ide-core ide-disk " and see what happens |
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| 11:20.25 | tarzeau | Werl^work: i'm here |
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| 11:21.30 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 11:21.41 | Werl^work | ·shingouz· failed to load module ide-core |
| 11:21.57 | mike-_- | its probably buil in |
| 11:22.10 | nn- | Werl^work: first of all you should verify if linux supports your controller |
| 11:22.22 | wirr | hi all... have a weird problem: i have support for special characters (pipe, at, tilde, etc.) in the console but can not get support for that under xorg. i've tried different options in xorg.conf with no success |
| 11:22.24 | mike-_- | must be or else u would not get it started w/o a initrd image |
| 11:22.24 | Werl^work | nn- how do i do that? |
| 11:22.54 | Mnabil | hello guys , i have a problem with apt-get http://rafb.net/paste/results/inyAOH27.html , i can't use apt |
| 11:23.12 | Mnabil | i can't install or remove any things |
| 11:23.50 | blondie | why would you want to remove firefox? :P |
| 11:23.52 | jes-o-mat | dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 11:23.52 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 11:24.06 | blondie | .htm? lol |
| 11:24.19 | mike-_- | /tmp/acct.config.68967: line 17: [: -gt: unary operator expected |
| 11:24.19 | mike-_- | /tmp/acct.config.68967: line 19: [: -eq: unary operator expected |
| 11:24.35 | nn- | Werl^work: that's a good question.. the only answer I know is browsing the kernel docs or the suse hardware db |
| 11:24.49 | Mnabil | so any can help me ? |
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| 11:25.42 | Mnabil | ???????? |
| 11:26.21 | blondie | ?????????????????????????? |
| 11:26.29 | Mnabil | hello guys , i have a problem with apt-get http://rafb.net/paste/results/inyAOH27.html , i can't use apt |
| 11:26.32 | azeem | Mnabil: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-theme-rtlclassic.postrm edit that file to not call firefox chrome |
| 11:26.37 | blondie | Mnabil: you said already |
| 11:26.46 | shingouz | Mnabil: yes yes... hold your horses |
| 11:26.51 | Mnabil | azeem: the file is read only |
| 11:26.58 | Mnabil | azeem: i can edit it |
| 11:26.59 | azeem | Mnabil: as root |
| 11:27.07 | blondie | if you're not root you can't use apt-get at all. |
| 11:27.19 | Mnabil | blondie: really |
| 11:27.26 | Mnabil | blondie: i know of course |
| 11:27.34 | blondie | ... |
| 11:27.38 | jm_ | blondie: of course you can use apt-get as non-root |
| 11:27.51 | blondie | to do what? |
| 11:28.02 | azeem | get sources, e.g. |
| 11:28.09 | blondie | ok fine |
| 11:28.14 | jm_ | get sources, URL-s for packages, ... |
| 11:28.15 | azeem | but that's besides the point |
| 11:28.22 | blondie | you can't install or remove without root |
| 11:28.33 | Werl^work | nn- is there another possibility to get the correct drivers, cus the homepage of the manufucter of the card only have Windows drivers |
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| 11:28.39 | escalade | hi |
| 11:28.39 | blafd | strange |
| 11:28.42 | blafd | works now |
| 11:28.50 | Mnabil | blondie: i know i know |
| 11:28.54 | blafd | looked in /boot |
| 11:28.58 | escalade | someone here installed nessus on there computer? |
| 11:29.00 | blafd | and the initrd img wasnt there |
| 11:29.09 | nn- | Werl^work: if linux supports your card, the drivers are usually included in the kernel-tree - no need to download them seperately |
| 11:29.12 | blafd | so i duno where it went ;p but its there no and it works |
| 11:29.17 | blafd | wooot |
| 11:29.17 | blondie | Mnabil: so ask the person who is root to fix it. |
| 11:29.35 | nn- | Werl^work: pls browse the suse hw db if you have no idea what to do |
| 11:29.35 | Mnabil | blondie: what is it |
| 11:29.41 | blondie | Mnabil: what? |
| 11:30.02 | blondie | suse! how rude! |
| 11:30.08 | Mnabil | blondie: i wanna know how to remove this pakcge only |
| 11:30.13 | azeem | Mnabil: I told you |
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| 11:30.31 | azeem | Mnabil: are you mixing kanotix and debian sources, btw? |
| 11:30.31 | blondie | Mnabil: well you can't if you're not root can you |
| 11:30.52 | Mnabil | azeem: yes i mixed it and i got the error |
| 11:30.55 | Werl^work | nn- i dont have any idea how to do that im newbie at this |
| 11:30.58 | azeem | Mnabil: bad idea |
| 11:31.18 | Mnabil | azeem: how can i got over this bad idea ? |
| 11:31.23 | wirr | what settings in xorg.conf do affect what keys are being processed? i chose a pc104 keyboard with swiss german locales but i don't get any special keys as the at or a pipe... |
| 11:31.46 | nn- | Werl^work: suse.com -> hardware database -> search your card |
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| 11:31.47 | azeem | Mnabil: I told you |
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| 11:32.13 | Werl^work | nn- ah thanks i ill have a look |
| 11:32.16 | Mnabil | azeem: you told me to edit the file , and the file is read only |
| 11:32.30 | Mnabil | azeem: any other idea |
| 11:32.34 | azeem | Mnabil: what does ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-theme-rtlclassic.postrm say? |
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| 11:32.55 | shingouz | Mnabil: what you have now is not debian. it is not kanotix either so you are pretty much on your own now. kanotix does things to debian we do not know about, therefore we are unable to help you |
| 11:33.16 | blafd | god bless debian |
| 11:33.18 | blafd | and slackware |
| 11:33.21 | Mnabil | azeem: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 404 May 16 2005 /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-theme-rtlclassic.postrm |
| 11:33.26 | blafd | and all that is good in the unix universe |
| 11:33.29 | azeem | Mnabil: so it is not read only |
| 11:33.40 | azeem | see the "rw" there? |
| 11:33.52 | azeem | you have to be root to edit it, of course |
| 11:34.18 | azeem | wirr: do you have windows key? |
| 11:34.45 | Mnabil | azeem: i' give a try |
| 11:34.48 | jm_ | o |
| 11:34.50 | jm_ | sorry |
| 11:34.52 | escalade | Some can help me with this error, i cant get it running :( Restarting Nessus daemon: **** /var/lib/nessus/nessus-services could not be found. Install it and try again ERROR. |
| 11:34.56 | wirr | azeem: yes, i but it wasn't working with pc105 keyboard neither... all the keys show up in xev |
| 11:34.58 | nn- | btw. are there any alternatives to the suse hardware database? |
| 11:35.01 | nn- | it's quite nice |
| 11:35.12 | azeem | nn-: yes |
| 11:35.24 | azeem | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 11:35.40 | azeem | wirr: hrm, no idea then |
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| 11:35.57 | wirr | how can i use dpkg to restore the orginial xorg.conf? |
| 11:36.04 | azeem | !drxx |
| 11:36.04 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 11:36.11 | azeem | !xmd5 |
| 11:36.11 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 11:36.30 | azeem | adjust xfree86 to xorg in there |
| 11:36.53 | nn- | azeem: appears to be extremely incomplete :( |
| 11:36.54 | wirr | ok |
| 11:37.04 | azeem | nn-: it's quite recent |
| 11:38.05 | jm_ | nn-: it worked fine for my nforce4 chipset system |
| 11:38.14 | nn- | azeem: for example it's doesn't seem to be aware of any xircom hardware |
| 11:38.25 | azeem | nn-: so how about you submit that? |
| 11:38.37 | azeem | if you know the appropriate drivers for it, of course |
| 11:38.39 | mike-_- | lol, threw out the nsa from the kernel i think they did i think |
| 11:38.58 | nn- | azeem: i bet i would need to spend hours to submit all my hw that isn't listed ;) |
| 11:39.20 | azeem | nn-: if you don't fix it, don't complain |
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| 11:40.09 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 11:40.10 | nn- | azeem: i did not complain, i only stated that i cannot compete with the suse db |
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| 11:40.46 | nn- | pls no flamewar aobut this |
| 11:41.10 | asg | !start a hardware war |
| 11:41.37 | asg | hrmph |
| 11:41.39 | mike-_- | huh , why did the mkinitr(blahblah) work here and not on the laprop :S |
| 11:42.07 | DevilChaos | i have a problem with one of my harddrives it has 14 gigs of music on it and i dont fancy losing it i need help with figuring out how to fix it i can have the drive in my system and running but not mounted as if i mount the drive it crashes my system i think there may be errors on the disk as one of the ribbons connectors broke ie came apartwhen trying another drive |
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| 11:42.10 | Mnabil | azeem: W10: Warning: Changing a readonly file 12,2-16 All |
| 11:42.40 | azeem | Mnabil: are you root nowß |
| 11:42.41 | azeem | ? |
| 11:42.54 | DevilChaos | what program can i use to scan and fix the errors? |
| 11:42.59 | asg | Mnabil: lsattr /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-theme-rtlclassic.postrm |
| 11:43.19 | Mnabil | azeem: yessssss |
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| 11:44.19 | jm_ | DevilChaos: make a backup and try to fix that first |
| 11:44.24 | Mnabil | asg: lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-theme-rtlclassic.postrm |
| 11:44.32 | azeem | Mnabil: what editor are you using? |
| 11:44.36 | Mnabil | vim |
| 11:44.46 | DevilChaos | i cant access the drive at all |
| 11:44.50 | azeem | so just try to write it with :w! |
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| 11:45.24 | Mnabil | oh! i'm new to vim |
| 11:45.26 | DevilChaos | when the ribbon was broke i didnt know bout it till i removed my primary drive so i hope it hasent corrupted |
| 11:45.37 | azeem | Mnabil: then maybe you should use nano for the time being |
| 11:45.44 | jm_ | then how do you expect to fix it if you can't access the drive - and with a copy, I mean dd/ddrescue |
| 11:46.08 | Mnabil | azeem: i 've no nano and i can't apt-get it |
| 11:46.20 | Mnabil | azeem: i'm in a big problem |
| 11:46.20 | DevilChaos | my pc is 1 inch away from getting the shit kicked out of it as the 14gigs took me along time to get in order |
| 11:46.21 | azeem | Mnabil: well, then learn vim |
| 11:46.24 | azeem | whatever |
| 11:46.30 | azeem | Mnabil: edit the file as root |
| 11:46.41 | asg | DevilChaos: but you didn't make backups |
| 11:46.44 | azeem | Mnabil: ask in #kanotix for help with their default editor |
| 11:46.58 | DevilChaos | lol i knowm this and hating every minute |
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| 11:47.30 | asg | !qotd126 |
| 11:47.30 | dpkg | qotd126 is probably <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 11:48.09 | tarzeau | any idea what that is? /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: gdk_keyval_to |
| 11:48.24 | Dreamlogi | Has anyone here had any experience installing debian on a Dell PowerEdge 1850 server? |
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| 11:48.57 | asg | Dreamlogi: /msg dpkg dell |
| 11:49.04 | Dreamlogi | asg: Thanks |
| 11:49.13 | asg | Dreamlogi: the oregonstate.edu link is where you need to go |
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| 11:49.15 | DevilChaos | asg: was that for my benifit ? |
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| 11:49.40 | asg | DevilChaos: was what? the qotd126 factoid? |
| 11:49.50 | DevilChaos | yup!? |
| 11:50.18 | asg | DevilChaos: just random historical trivia |
| 11:50.24 | DevilChaos | sorry wasent meaning to sound rude if it sounded like that |
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| 11:50.44 | DevilChaos | did in my head when i read it again |
| 11:50.44 | asg | DevilChaos: I didn't take it as rude. |
| 11:51.16 | DevilChaos | ok :) |
| 11:51.54 | DevilChaos | so is there a program i can use to try and sort it? |
| 11:52.13 | DevilChaos | its a shitty fat partition on a western digital |
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| 11:52.47 | Mnabil | azeem: i learned vim and i fixed it :) thnx |
| 11:52.50 | DevilChaos | i was in the process of wanting to reformatt to ext3 but cant now im really fucked off |
| 11:53.12 | DevilChaos | vim is good |
| 11:53.25 | nn- | DevilChaos: why can't you format that partition? |
| 11:53.36 | Mnabil | azeem: i only delete " update-mozilla-firefox-chrome " |
| 11:53.43 | DevilChaos | nn: i need the 14 gigs of music first |
| 11:54.06 | nkuttler | DevilChaos: google data recovery. if you're lucky there's free stuff for fat |
| 11:54.32 | DevilChaos | eh yeah but win 2k doesnt boot when the drive is connected |
| 11:54.42 | blondie | does linux boot when it is connected? |
| 11:54.44 | DevilChaos | and it does with debian |
| 11:54.44 | nn- | i can recommend ontrack easy recovery professionel |
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| 11:54.55 | nkuttler | first thing you do with a damaged drive: don't use it |
| 11:55.06 | DevilChaos | i need a program through debian to fix it if possible |
| 11:55.13 | Werl^work | nn- i cant find drivers for that card DM-8401 on suse.com what can i do? |
| 11:55.26 | DevilChaos | only got damaged in the last 2 days |
| 11:55.27 | Werl^work | nn- is there any compatible driver? |
| 11:55.58 | nn- | Werl^work: sry, I don't know how to help you if you are not sure whether your controller is supported |
| 11:55.59 | DevilChaos | werl^work : go to #suse and ask |
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| 11:56.39 | blondie | DevilChaos: try dd perhaps |
| 11:56.47 | Coke | Is there any tool to find out what graphic modes my card supports? I'm trying to find a 16:9 resolution. |
| 11:56.57 | DevilChaos | nn : is that a win prog? |
| 11:56.58 | blondie | DevilChaos: if it's a hardware error software won't fix it |
| 11:57.03 | nn- | DevilChaos: y |
| 11:57.21 | DevilChaos | blondie : im hopeing and fingers crossed |
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| 11:57.39 | DevilChaos | dd might actually do it i forgot about that one |
| 11:57.49 | nono31 | hello |
| 11:58.01 | nono31 | nfs-common broken in sid? |
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| 11:58.14 | nn- | DevilChaos: I can imagine how you are feeling, but if mounting the hd crashes your system it looks pretty bad |
| 11:58.20 | DevilChaos | yeah i know |
| 11:58.40 | DevilChaos | well doesnt crash exactly but thing come to a halt |
| 11:58.45 | mike-_- | DevilChaos, the pin back on the disk ? |
| 11:58.47 | DevilChaos | brb |
| 11:58.54 | DevilChaos | mike? |
| 11:59.04 | mike-_- | said something about breaking something off i remeber |
| 11:59.09 | DevilChaos | the pin back? |
| 11:59.15 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 11:59.18 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 11:59.30 | asg | nono31: the bts would know |
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| 12:00.06 | sly007 | in script.sh, I write #! /bin/sh \n export TOTO="titi". I execute this script, and then echo $TOTO shows $TOTO has not been set. How is it possible? |
| 12:00.10 | DevilChaos | i took my hda hd out to install quantum fireball to install amd64 debian as a trial so id have 32bit install as backup if i couldnt get things to work |
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| 12:00.36 | EmleyMoor | Is ejabberd 1.0.0 close to entering testing? |
| 12:00.39 | asg | sly007: ask #bash |
| 12:00.48 | DevilChaos | and when i was doing this i noticed the ribbon connector had split |
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| 12:01.13 | DevilChaos | ie the plastic snapped away from the ribbon from being handled so much |
| 12:01.57 | DevilChaos | i did hear the drive switching on and off a few time couldnt work out what it was until now and have problems |
| 12:02.02 | Werl^work | nn- i placed a hardrive with debian allredy installed on the pci card and it find it so i guess the drivers accually work somehow, but i cant install on a clean disk |
| 12:02.16 | nn- | Werl^work: excellent |
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| 12:02.34 | nn- | Werl^work: now type lsmod and find out what ide driver you need |
| 12:02.36 | DevilChaos | brb |
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| 12:02.45 | nuxil | hi all.. |
| 12:02.58 | Werl^work | nn- in console right? |
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| 12:03.09 | nn- | Werl^work: y |
| 12:04.13 | EmleyMoor | I'm wondering if the peculiar interaction between ejabberd 0.9.1 and another server's aspsms gateway is something that still occurs in 1.0.0 |
| 12:04.26 | nn- | DevilChaos: you should never pull the ribbon cable |
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| 12:04.48 | nuxil | i just installed a new monitor.. a acer 20 " widescreen. now i got some problems getting the right resolution,, i have only managed to run it at 1280x1024. it should be able to run at 1680x1050. it dosent help to edit XF86Config-4. |
| 12:05.04 | nuxil | any ideas |
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| 12:06.38 | Gnub- | Xconfig is the only place to get results |
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| 12:07.14 | nuxil | ? |
| 12:07.58 | nuxil | Gnub- what you say? i have to use that tool? and cant edit by hand? |
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| 12:08.06 | Werl^work | nn- where should i find at lsmod? |
| 12:08.15 | Werl^work | what* |
| 12:08.42 | Gnub- | no i mean the config file |
| 12:08.51 | nuxil | whers that? |
| 12:08.56 | Gnub- | x -config has never gotten my shit right |
| 12:08.56 | nn- | Werl^work: on of listed modules is the driver for your controller.. it's up to you to find out which one |
| 12:08.57 | nuxil | not in my /etc/X11 |
| 12:09.13 | Gnub- | XF86Config-4 |
| 12:09.16 | nkuttler | !drxx nuxil |
| 12:09.16 | nuxil | i only got XF86Config and Gnub-4 |
| 12:09.16 | dpkg | nuxil: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:09.19 | DevilChaos | nn: dont i know it |
| 12:09.32 | Werl^work | nn- it says something in ide-core |
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| 12:09.55 | nuxil | !xmd5 |
| 12:09.56 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 12:09.58 | nn- | Werl^work: that's not the chipset specific driver |
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| 12:10.45 | DevilChaos | thnk you for help ill go and try a few things come back later if the worst comes to worst im sending it away for data retrieval from a technician im not losing 14 gigs no way |
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| 12:11.16 | nn- | DevilChaos: if you send it away tell us how much you paid ;) |
| 12:11.32 | Werl^work | nn- should i do this with the hardrive that almost worked or the new one? |
| 12:11.32 | DevilChaos | yeah i know an arm and a leg maybes |
| 12:11.41 | jm_ | DevilChaos: you should really try it yourself first |
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| 12:11.52 | DevilChaos | yeah im going to |
| 12:11.58 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 12:12.12 | jm_ | first check if Linux detects the disk at all, basic things |
| 12:12.29 | DevilChaos | yup i googled it before i came in here |
| 12:12.42 | nn- | Werl^work: run lsmod on the system that detects the controller |
| 12:12.44 | DevilChaos | have a long list of things to try |
| 12:13.08 | jm_ | about disk turning off - I've seen libata behave that way on errors, but not old IDE code |
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| 12:13.46 | Werl^work | nn- what am i searching for? |
| 12:13.51 | tralala | is libata in the kernel or user space? |
| 12:14.10 | DevilChaos | ok gotta go i have an interview in an hour bye :) |
| 12:14.18 | jm_ | tralala: it's in the kernel |
| 12:14.25 | Werl^work | jm_· first check it says its no partiionable media on the new hardrive |
| 12:14.43 | nn- | Werl^work: the module that supports your controller |
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| 12:15.09 | jm_ | Werl^work: that means it failed to detect your drive, which you already know I guess |
| 12:15.21 | ariel01` | im a newbie could somebody tell me how to install kwintv on damn samll linux(dsl) |
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| 12:15.42 | Ronin | ariel01`: #dsl may be able to |
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| 12:16.29 | Werl^work | jm_ ya and thats the problem i need to solve |
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| 12:17.05 | Werl^work | jm_ the strange thing is it almost start debian on another disk where its alredy installed |
| 12:17.08 | Danieal | does anyone know how to add the ssl module after you've built apache 2.2? |
| 12:17.16 | EmleyMoor | Ah, now I am! |
| 12:17.20 | nn- | Werl^work: what do you mean by almost? |
| 12:17.25 | asg | Danieal: #apache would |
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| 12:17.49 | Danieal | i'm having trouble building the so file so i can load the module |
| 12:17.54 | Danieal | .s* |
| 12:17.57 | Danieal | .so* |
| 12:18.03 | EmleyMoor | ejabberd in testing is 0.9.1 - in unstable it's 1.0.0 - just wondering whether something is holding 1.0.0 up from reaching testing |
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| 12:18.54 | alephnull_ | How do I apply a patch to a tarball before module-assistant gets to it ? Trying to apply the 2.6.16 compilation fix to shfs, btw. |
| 12:19.24 | nn- | alephnull_: you need to extract the archive first |
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| 12:19.40 | nn- | alephnull_: btw. yet another patch for shfs? |
| 12:19.46 | Werl^work | nn- i guess i need to find something to write in modudle paramters |
| 12:19.48 | jm_ | Werl^work: you should just try a newer kernel |
| 12:19.53 | alephnull_ | nn-: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~qiq/src/shfs/shfs-0.35/d_entry-2.6.16.diff |
| 12:19.54 | nn- | i already need two to get it running on 2.6.15 |
| 12:20.00 | Werl^work | jm_ how? |
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| 12:20.13 | jm_ | Werl^work: download Sarge ISO with 2.6.15 kernel |
| 12:20.19 | alephnull_ | nn-: apply the patch and then make the tar again ? |
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| 12:21.00 | nn- | Werl^work: what do mean by "the system almost works"? is / being mounted or not? |
| 12:21.03 | Werl^work | jm_ ya but where do i fin that ? |
| 12:21.10 | jm_ | Werl^work: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 12:21.19 | Werl^work | nn- its says something about panic |
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| 12:21.59 | nn- | Werl^work: that's what i meant |
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| 12:22.08 | nn- | Werl^work: probably it fails to mount / |
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| 12:22.30 | MarcoPau | I just installed debian and I'm copying the home directory from the old installation with cp -ax, but I don't get the hidden files. What am I missing? |
| 12:22.48 | jm_ | how did you copy it? |
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| 12:23.03 | alephnull_ | Thanks nn-, it worked. |
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| 12:23.44 | tarzeau | any idea what that is? /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: gdk_keyval_to |
| 12:23.44 | nn- | yet a another mandatory patch for shfs.. |
| 12:24.02 | asg | tarzeau: the gnome folks on irc.gnome.org might know |
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| 12:24.31 | tarzeau | asg: thanks asking there |
| 12:24.32 | jm_ | tarzeau: it's looking for gdk_keyval_to, but can't find it |
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| 12:24.50 | tarzeau | jm_: yesterday it worked. what could have went wrong? reboot might solve the problem? |
| 12:24.59 | jm_ | tarzeau: did you upgrade anything? |
| 12:25.06 | tarzeau | jm_: debian security updates only |
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| 12:25.19 | tarzeau | jm_: on 140 other machines no problem, same user, remote x |
| 12:25.30 | asg | tarzeau: does libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 exist in /usr/lib still? |
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| 12:25.44 | tarzeau | jm_: the problem appears in firefox and thunderbird (mozilla homepage binary) ONLY when typing keyboard input |
| 12:25.53 | MarcoPau | jm_: cp -ax |
| 12:25.56 | jm_ | tarzeau: I have gdk_keyval_name in libgdk-x11-2.0.so |
| 12:26.04 | jm_ | MarcoPau: and after that? |
| 12:26.18 | tarzeau | asg: yes it exists |
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| 12:26.25 | MarcoPau | jm_: cp -ax /mnt/home/user/* /home/user/ |
| 12:26.31 | xerophyte | how can i change only the directory and sub-directory permission to chmod 777 some_directory tree ? |
| 12:26.31 | jm_ | MarcoPau: there's your problem ... |
| 12:26.47 | jm_ | xerophyte: with find |
| 12:26.49 | asg | xerophyte: find |
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| 12:26.52 | jm_ | find + xargs |
| 12:27.02 | xerophyte | thx |
| 12:27.11 | MarcoPau | jm_: what's wrong with tha? |
| 12:27.13 | MarcoPau | that* |
| 12:27.26 | tarzeau | xerophyte: find . -type d -exec chmod -R 775 {} \; |
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| 12:27.39 | tarzeau | and for files one usually uses find . -type f -exec chmod -R 664 {} \; |
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| 12:28.12 | jm_ | MarcoPau: * doesn't match files starting with ., better use cp -a /mnt/home/user /home/user (but pay attention that it will overwrite your dir too), or run another cp -a /mnt/home/user/.* /home/user/ |
| 12:28.14 | tarzeau | ok the -R is probably not needed, right? |
| 12:28.24 | fordexter | join #ilha |
| 12:28.30 | AciD | tarzeau > indeed |
| 12:28.32 | jm_ | yeah don't use -R |
| 12:28.36 | MarcoPau | jm_: ok thanks! |
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| 12:29.46 | Tjendra | Hi |
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| 12:29.51 | Werl^work | jm_ how can i else do the hardrive partionable ? |
| 12:29.57 | Coke | I've been trying to use some_modes to generate modelines for my xorg conf, but it gives me bad modelines (does not look good on monitor), any other tools I can use for this purpose? |
| 12:30.05 | jm_ | Werl^work: I don't understand that question |
| 12:30.17 | jm_ | Coke: /msg dpkg modelines |
| 12:30.24 | nn- | Coke: have you already tried xvidtune? |
| 12:30.44 | Coke | nn-: yeah, whatever I try it's messed up. |
| 12:30.53 | Coke | nn-: the only way to make my monitor work is to not have any modelines at all. |
| 12:31.14 | Coke | jm_: dpkg is lazy today |
| 12:31.28 | jm_ | @tell coke -abour modelines |
| 12:31.34 | jm_ | @tell coke -about modelines |
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| 12:33.27 | Werl^work | jm_ when i gonna install debian on the hardrive i get stuck because it says its not a partionable media |
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| 12:33.53 | jm_ | Werl^work: yeah, that's because your hard disks are not detected, try using a newer kernel |
| 12:34.17 | jm_ | Werl^work: cat /proc/partitions will list recognized disks |
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| 12:35.12 | Jake_ | argh!!! |
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| 12:35.25 | oskie | c |
| 12:35.29 | Jake_ | just trying to compile postfix and it cant find db.h!!! :( |
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| 12:36.52 | asg | Jake_: install one of the many libdbX.Y-dev packages |
| 12:37.09 | Coke | jm_: of the three sites dpkg gave me, only xtiming actualy calculated modelines that worked. |
| 12:37.58 | jm_ | Coke: Colas generated modelines have always worked for me |
| 12:38.15 | Coke | jm_: well, this monitor did not like'em. |
| 12:38.18 | Jake_ | tanks! |
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| 12:38.35 | viyyer | hi |
| 12:39.01 | Tjendra | hii |
| 12:39.12 | Werl^work | jm_ it accually find one disk and it seems to be that i wanna use. can it be that easy i just have to format it some way first? |
| 12:39.15 | viyyer | I am looking for this kmfl... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/09/msg01161.html |
| 12:39.31 | viyyer | I was curious what is it's status ?? |
| 12:39.37 | jm_ | Werl^work: how do you know it found it? |
| 12:39.55 | Werl^work | jm_ it was listed on cat /proc/partitions |
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| 12:40.03 | jm_ | Coke: some fixed frequency monitor? |
| 12:40.14 | jm_ | Werl^work: is that the disk you want to use? also check what dmesg says about it |
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| 12:41.12 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 12:41.13 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 12:41.16 | Werl^work | jm_ can i format it from the console |
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| 12:41.35 | jm_ | Werl^work: sure, but double check that you won't format wrong disk/partition |
| 12:41.57 | Werl^work | jm_ thats the only disk i have in that computer :) |
| 12:42.07 | jm_ | Werl^work: well you may have some other data on it |
| 12:42.25 | Werl^work | jm_ its brand new |
| 12:42.30 | jm_ | Werl^work: then go for it I guess |
| 12:42.34 | Coke | jm_: no. a rather nice one. 1600x1200@100Mhz. |
| 12:42.45 | jm_ | Coke: sounds like a CRT |
| 12:42.46 | Werl^work | jm_ what should i type ? |
| 12:42.51 | Coke | jm_: indeed. |
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| 12:43.15 | jm_ | Werl^work: fdisk to partition it |
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| 12:43.28 | Coke | jm_: I'm experimenting with a twin view, my CRT and a plasma widescreen TV. |
| 12:43.29 | jm_ | Coke: and I think you meant @100Hz |
| 12:43.40 | Coke | jm_: yeah, ofcourse, 100Hz |
| 12:43.46 | Coke | max is 340Mhz. |
| 12:43.52 | Coke | dot clock, that is. |
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| 12:43.56 | Tjendra | Who are you? |
| 12:44.20 | jm_ | very good, my crap 21" CRT at work was only capable of 75Hz |
| 12:44.31 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 12:45.21 | Coke | jm_: yes, modern CRTs are pretty good which is why I haven't switched to flat one yet. |
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| 12:46.15 | Coke | jm_: and cheap. this one cost me around 350 euro. 21" with 1920/1600x1200@100 |
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| 12:46.29 | Coke | time to test the new modelines |
| 12:46.47 | jm_ | Coke: hmm my 21" TFT costed about 810EUR |
| 12:46.53 | d4t2ilL4 | hello guys :) |
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| 12:48.49 | jm_ | Coke: repeating now that you have shiny new modeline in use -- hmm my 21" TFT costed about 810EUR |
| 12:49.33 | Coke | jm_: three cathode tubes? |
| 12:49.55 | jm_ | Coke: no, it's LCD |
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| 12:50.31 | Coke | Oh, yes, that explains it. |
| 12:50.45 | bartlebee | I have a piss poor 14 inch lcd at work |
| 12:50.59 | AciD | jm_ > what's your maximum resolution with that lcd ? |
| 12:51.12 | Coke | I've seen some rather expensive CRT monitors, 21" triniton for around 900 euros, but they do > 1600x1200 at 120Hz. |
| 12:51.13 | jm_ | AciD: 1600x1200 |
| 12:51.25 | Coke | jm_: that's a pretty awesome LCD then. |
| 12:51.25 | AciD | hum.. |
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| 12:51.33 | jm_ | Coke: yeah, it's very nice |
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| 12:51.42 | Coke | The only LCD's I've used had a max of 1152x756 or similar. |
| 12:51.54 | aluno | HI |
| 12:51.54 | jm_ | it has SVHS input too and can do PiP |
| 12:52.09 | aluno | I'M BRAZILIAN BOY |
| 12:52.13 | asg | !br |
| 12:52.13 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:52.27 | AciD | the lcd of my laptop has 1400*1050, and I find that too small... |
| 12:52.42 | Tjendra | Hello!Who are you?Where do you live? |
| 12:52.51 | nn- | Tjendra: i dont like you |
| 12:53.01 | jm_ | AciD: yeah laptops have pumped resolutions, way too high for me, this is 21" so it's really OK |
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| 12:53.15 | nuxil | hi all |
| 12:53.16 | sussudio | AciD: look at the specs of your laptop to find the optimal resolution |
| 12:53.17 | Coke | I'm having massive problems with the nvidia drivers. |
| 12:53.23 | Tjendra | Hhi!! |
| 12:53.46 | Werl^work | jm_ unable to open dev/hda? |
| 12:53.56 | aluno | HI TENDRA! |
| 12:54.03 | nuxil | i have a issue.. i have 2 x 1024 MB ram.. but from free i only see that it has 1024 MB istalled.. in bios it says 2048,, any ideas? |
| 12:54.14 | AciD | jm_ , sussudio > I meant the screen is too small. I'm from this kind of people that like to use very very small fonts, thx to my leet eyes ;p |
| 12:54.16 | aluno | msg debconf guidelines? |
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| 12:54.33 | asg | nuxil: what kernel version are you using? |
| 12:54.45 | nuxil | Linux Nuxil 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:54.54 | sussudio | AciD: i refer you to my previous statement. LCD's are not CRT's. they work on specific resolutions. |
| 12:55.17 | aluno | #SOBRADO |
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| 12:55.44 | AciD | sussudio > yes, that's why I won't another lcd screen before vendors provide 1900*1600 lcd |
| 12:55.46 | asg | nuxil: that kernel is not compiled with the HIMEM support iirc that allows for memory >1G |
| 12:55.52 | AciD | (for the right price) |
| 12:55.59 | jm_ | Werl^work: who said it's /dev/hda? |
| 12:56.10 | shermhead | Question: Im using squid and can no longer goto a certain website that I should be able to. Is there some kinda DNS or Cache I can clear ? |
| 12:56.16 | AciD | +buy |
| 12:56.21 | nn- | asg: without highmem support i only get 8xx mb |
| 12:56.28 | nn- | asg: not 1024 |
| 12:56.29 | Werl^work | jm_ i typed fdisk dev/hda then it said so |
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| 12:56.38 | Tjendra | FUCK U ALL!!!! |
| 12:56.40 | asg | nuxil: try installing the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel which should have the 4G support |
| 12:56.40 | jm_ | Werl^work: yes, but where did you get /dev/hda from? |
| 12:56.46 | m4lu6 | printing question: I've managed to get office HP printer working fine through HP Jetdirect, or whatever they call it. How do I print through console?? i thought it was simply: cat foo.txt |lpr |
| 12:56.53 | aluno | ALGUÉM PODE ME EXPLICAR DE RAIO DE CANAL É ESSE AQUI,POIS ESTOU FUÇANDO AQUI MAS NÃO TENHO A MINIMA IDEIA DE QUE SEJA ESSE IRC! |
| 12:57.03 | nuxil | asg ok thxz,, i'll try that |
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| 12:57.09 | Werl^work | jm_ i typed fdisk and it said for first ide drive dev/hda |
| 12:57.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 12:57.21 | jm_ | Werl^work: what does /proc/partitions say? |
| 12:57.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=aluno@*.bsace705.e.brasiltelecom.net.br] by azeem |
| 12:57.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:57.35 | asg | !beer azeem |
| 12:57.44 | sussudio | .br = meh |
| 12:57.49 | nn- | Werl^work: i don't understand what makes you think that the debian installer or linux supports your ide controller |
| 12:57.50 | azeem | aluno: this is an english channel, please write in english |
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| 12:58.19 | azeem | aluno: for help with Debian in portuguese, see #debian-br |
| 12:58.25 | libertad | I need de bynaries files of Mod_ruby for Apache, someone? |
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| 12:58.32 | sussudio | azeem: [14:52:13] <dpkg> Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:58.37 | libertad | I'm not under linux |
| 12:58.45 | azeem | sussudio: I saw that |
| 12:58.54 | azeem | just thought I'd repeat it after the ban |
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| 12:59.01 | sussudio | in english? |
| 12:59.04 | asg | libertad: libapache-mod-ruby |
| 12:59.09 | libertad | Exactly |
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| 12:59.11 | azeem | sussudio: to ease my concience |
| 12:59.25 | libertad | exactly asg |
| 12:59.31 | Werl^work | nn- i dont know if it supports it but i think so because it find the disk at /proc/partitions |
| 12:59.42 | asg | libertad: well, when you get back to your Debian machine, install libapache-mod-ruby |
| 13:00.22 | libertad | asg, but I'm in os2warp |
| 13:00.23 | nuxil | i have another Q about plasement of mem chips.. i totalt got 4 banks "slots" 1a 1b 2a 2b .. should i place the chips in 1a 2a or 1a 1b ? |
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| 13:00.39 | asg | libertad: then ask #apache or #ruby |
| 13:00.46 | libertad | asg, And I need that binaries for upload in my hosting |
| 13:00.52 | asg | libertad: packages.debian.org |
| 13:00.56 | libertad | asg, mod_ruby for apache |
| 13:01.01 | libertad | http://www.modruby.net/archive/mod_ruby-1.2.5.tar.gz |
| 13:01.01 | libertad | that |
| 13:01.24 | petemc | libertad: does your machine in your hosting provider run debian? |
| 13:01.50 | nn- | is there a special reason why kernel-nfs only supports "nohide" for single hosts? |
| 13:02.06 | libertad | Only show "Operativ System: Linux" |
| 13:02.35 | petemc | libertad: is this for ruby on rails? |
| 13:02.40 | libertad | nn-, I have problem with nfs-common with kernel 2.6-16-686 |
| 13:02.53 | libertad | petemc, Is a mod ruby for Apache |
| 13:03.05 | libertad | only need the binaries files |
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| 13:03.13 | libertad | Someone can do it for me? |
| 13:03.32 | libertad | only tar -xvzf mod_ruby-1.2.5.tar.gz && make |
| 13:03.34 | nn- | libertad: nfs-common with .16 works fine for me |
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| 13:03.43 | libertad | ok nn |
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| 13:04.25 | libertad | I need the binary of that mod for add to my Apache hosting |
| 13:04.56 | libertad | my hosting: |
| 13:04.56 | libertad | Versión de Kernel 2.4.21-32.0.1.ELsmp |
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| 13:05.05 | libertad | 1.3.33 (Unix) |
| 13:05.13 | libertad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:05.28 | sussudio | why would you run 2.4.21? |
| 13:05.40 | jm_ | that sounds like RH ES :) |
| 13:05.41 | asg | sussudio: probably a redhat kernel |
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| 13:05.59 | nn- | jm_: what is redhat es? |
| 13:06.00 | sussudio | asg: might as well put up a big sign saying 'hax0r me lolz' |
| 13:06.09 | libertad | I'm under os2warp |
| 13:06.18 | nn- | libertad: you rule |
| 13:06.21 | libertad | asg, It's posible |
| 13:06.30 | asg | sussudio: rh can be secured, it just isn't often well managed. |
| 13:06.45 | sussudio | asg: not by libertad anyway |
| 13:06.48 | comp7 | hi all, I've just installed a debian box to run only as a webserver. Would I need to consider installing a firewall on the server as well when I try to keep up to date? |
| 13:06.51 | asg | sussudio: agreed |
| 13:07.03 | libertad | :( help me please |
| 13:07.05 | asg | comp7: there is no reason not to |
| 13:07.20 | sussudio | comp7: you don't need a firewall if you disable all unnecessary services |
| 13:07.32 | comp7 | asg: I've never done it before, that could be a reason not to :) |
| 13:07.34 | vorsprung | comp7, you could have firewall software on the debian web server |
| 13:07.49 | jm_ | nn-: RH entrylevel product from their EL range |
| 13:08.00 | vorsprung | comp7, just having a firewall doesn't actually do much though. You need to give it a policy :) |
| 13:08.22 | asg | libertad: ask in #redhat |
| 13:08.46 | Coke | jm_: hey, no matter what I do the nvidia driver says my modelines are crap. |
| 13:09.02 | libertad | asg, But I'm into os2warp and my hosting not show ssh access |
| 13:09.03 | jm_ | Coke: but it should tell you why |
| 13:09.11 | Coke | (WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1600x1200@75": |
| 13:09.11 | Coke | (WW) NVIDIA(0): horizontal sync width (2560 - 1632 = 928) greater than 512 |
| 13:09.36 | jm_ | ahh I remember that, I had to calculcate modelines by hand to accomodate for it |
| 13:09.41 | comp7 | vorsprung: that's why I'm asking. I've installed a minimal system with only apache, so I was wondering if I would need to set up a firewall to prevent access to services I'm not running and enable access to the only service I am running |
| 13:09.54 | asg | libertad: and os2warp has nothing to do with Debian which is what we support here. Ask your hosting company to install the correct software. |
| 13:10.12 | libertad | Please send me the bynaries |
| 13:10.17 | vorsprung | comp7, yes, it's easy to install iptables |
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| 13:10.46 | Coke | jm_: so, I just make the number fit? |
| 13:10.51 | submarineshaun | i'm trying to debug a problem i have with my sarge blackbox install; does blackbox and/or X keep any logs when it is runing full swing? |
| 13:10.56 | vorsprung | comp7, sorry I can't help you with configuration. |
| 13:11.03 | jm_ | Coke: it's not that simple, because those numbers are related |
| 13:11.26 | jm_ | submarineshaun: you will find errors in ~/.xsession-errors, typically |
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| 13:11.38 | submarineshaun | ty |
| 13:11.40 | comp7 | vorsprung: okay, ty. Anybody else know if configuring iptables is worth the trouble? installing will be easy by apt-get I think? |
| 13:12.30 | libertad | asg, but that services is not show into my hosting |
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| 13:13.15 | asg | libertad: then get a better hosting company |
| 13:13.35 | vorsprung | comp7, how can I put this? If you are inexperienced enough to think that configuring iptables is "trouble" then you have probably forgot to lock something down so you need iptables :) |
| 13:13.38 | libertad | asg, I am in a Suth America :( |
| 13:13.48 | libertad | asg, I don't have money |
| 13:14.00 | asg | *plonk* |
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| 13:14.03 | vorsprung | comp7, i look on it as defense in depth. 1) i lock everything down 2) i run a fw as well in case I made a mistake |
| 13:14.20 | Coke | jm_: isn't there a way to make X generate modelines from the defaults? |
| 13:14.39 | Coke | jm_: so I can pick the modlines I like from the validated modes. |
| 13:14.46 | jm_ | Coke: it has a set of default modelines that it will use |
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| 13:15.25 | jm_ | Coke: this is from my X logfile: (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) |
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| 13:16.00 | Coke | jm_: I know, I want to select which one of them to actualy use. |
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| 13:16.09 | jm_ | Coke: so do it? |
| 13:16.17 | comp7 | vorsprung: I just don't know, I've configured things like mail- and dns servers, so I have some config-skills I presume, just dont know whether or not iptables is considered an easy to use package in regards to the need I have for it. |
| 13:16.29 | Coke | jm_: I don't know the modeline for them. |
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| 13:16.37 | jm_ | Coke: you don't have to know them |
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| 13:17.22 | Coke | jm_: how do I select it then? |
| 13:17.31 | jm_ | Coke: Modes "1600x1200" |
| 13:17.44 | Coke | And how do I select which vert sync to use? |
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| 13:18.18 | jm_ | it will use the best mode it can |
| 13:18.23 | Coke | The problem is this: my monitor croaks on some modes, it renders the image at half the size, this is do to an akward modeline being used. |
| 13:18.35 | Coke | jm_: "best" is relative. |
| 13:18.52 | libertad | Someone can compile and send me the binary file of http://www.modruby.net/archive/mod_ruby-1.2.5.tar.gz |
| 13:18.53 | libertad | please |
| 13:18.53 | Coke | obviously it does not select the best possible mode for my monitor since the image is half the size and way dimmer. |
| 13:19.08 | jm_ | Coke: best in terms of refresh rate |
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| 13:19.26 | Coke | jm_: yes, how do I select another refresh rate more suited for my monitor? |
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| 13:19.36 | Coke | can I write 1600x1200@75 ? |
| 13:20.01 | jm_ | Coke: not sure if that works, but you can get arround it by modifying your VertRefresh range |
| 13:20.21 | Coke | jm_: no, because some refresh rates work at some modes and not in others. |
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| 13:20.30 | Coke | with "work" I mean that the monitor displays them correctly. |
| 13:20.38 | Dazgard | hi |
| 13:21.01 | Coke | 1024x768 is bright and covers the entire monitor, but 1280x1024 is reduced to half-size and is way darker. |
| 13:21.19 | Coke | This can only be resolved by not using the default 1280x1024 mode. |
| 13:21.31 | Dazgard | i have a basic question, about lvm, can it allow me to combine 2 or more disk into on big partitions ? |
| 13:22.03 | Phlexonance | how do u use esd ? |
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| 13:22.37 | jm_ | Coke: but it's good enough to test it to find out if this is the reason |
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| 13:22.48 | loca|host | is there a free debian cd shiping service on internet like https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ |
| 13:22.55 | petemc | no |
| 13:23.14 | Coke | jm_: it's tested, it does not work properly so I must change it, but how? |
| 13:23.19 | petemc | loca|host: if you want to contribute some money to pay for such a service, feel free |
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| 13:23.30 | Coke | jm_: the generated modelines don't work with the non-free driver it seems |
| 13:23.48 | shermhead | Anyone willing to help me troubleshoot Squid? It works just a problem |
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| 13:24.39 | loca|host | petemc, i can be an investor, who will build the service site |
| 13:25.07 | Coke | jm_: this one worked http://sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php |
| 13:25.14 | petemc | loca|host: ask on the debian-project mailing list |
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| 13:25.41 | escalade | hi |
| 13:25.54 | escalade | someone here experiance with nessus? |
| 13:26.09 | jm_ | Coke: I have been using custom modeline generated with that .fr page on my old 21" CRT and with non-free driver for years |
| 13:27.21 | petemc | escalade: if you have a problem, just ask |
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| 13:28.11 | escalade | i try to use nessus for local scan, so need to auth with ssh private and public key. i searched the logs, but cant find if its working ok or not. |
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| 13:28.38 | submarineshaun | how do i get blackbox to re-read my .bash_profile, for the PATH? |
| 13:28.44 | submarineshaun | ive tryed restarting the x server |
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| 13:29.27 | Werl^work | how do i install new kenrel? |
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| 13:30.53 | shermhead | Question: I am running squid and it works but, there is one website it wont load up. Is there a DNS resolv or cache I can clear? |
| 13:32.43 | escalade | at least got the nessusd running bij default it places the nessus-services in the wrong dir |
| 13:32.50 | Werl^work | how can i install kernel? |
| 13:33.12 | comp7 | Werl^work: find a kernel in the packages list and apt-get install it |
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| 13:34.42 | submarineshaun | wierd.. When i restart my computer, it appears my .bash_profile doesnt get read-in untill i type "bash". Anyone know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 13:34.56 | submarineshaun | its my $PATH i'm woried about.. |
| 13:35.19 | azeem | submarineshaun: how do you log in? |
| 13:35.22 | stew | !wikifaq submarineshaun DotFiles |
| 13:35.22 | dpkg | submarineshaun: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:35.30 | azeem | at the console? |
| 13:35.35 | submarineshaun | yes |
| 13:35.48 | submarineshaun | ty for the links |
| 13:36.46 | stew | submarineshaun: what is after the last colon when you type: getent passwd submarin |
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| 13:37.44 | jengelh | What's the difference between the 'python' and 'python2.4' packages? |
| 13:37.54 | submarineshaun | bin/bash |
| 13:37.59 | submarineshaun | with a precedding / |
| 13:38.06 | submarineshaun | preceeding* |
| 13:38.46 | stew | jengelh: the "python" package in debian will point to whichever is the "current defeult" python package in debian which is python2.3, and /usr/bin/python will point to /usr/bin/python2.3, at some time (hopefully soon) debian will be swithing the default to python2.4 |
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| 13:41.42 | jengelh | So, if I have both automake1.4 and automake1.9, I need to remove automake1.4 to have the command `automake --version` return 1.9... |
| 13:42.02 | stew | jengelh: or run "update-alternatives --config automake" as root |
| 13:42.58 | jengelh | ok |
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| 13:43.04 | jengelh | but python otoh is not alternatived |
| 13:43.05 | Werl^work | which is the newest kernel? |
| 13:43.17 | asg | Werl^work: for which debian version? |
| 13:43.24 | Dazgard | Werl^work:2.6.16 |
| 13:43.50 | superlinux | has any one here got freeradius fully compiled? |
| 13:43.50 | asg | Dazgard: or 2.4.32 |
| 13:44.14 | asg | superlinux: why compile it since Debian has freeradius packages |
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| 13:44.25 | stew | jengelh: no, python can't be, becuase scripts that have "#!/usr/bin/python" in them will break if you switch the version since then all of the python2.3-foo packages that you installed won't be working |
| 13:44.39 | superlinux | in the stable binary pkg thereis the EAP/TLS is not existing in mine |
| 13:44.45 | stew | jengelh: if you are writing a script which requires 2.4 and wont run in 2.3, you need "#!/usr/bin/python2.4" at the top |
| 13:45.02 | superlinux | asg, its *.so file is missing |
| 13:45.05 | asg | superlinux: then what error are you getting while trying to compile it? |
| 13:45.08 | superlinux | checkit |
| 13:45.17 | superlinux | wait |
| 13:46.05 | superlinux | asg, what should be the equivalient of the openssl-include pkg on debian? |
| 13:46.10 | superlinux | cos it needs it |
| 13:46.28 | asg | superlinux: libssl-dev |
| 13:46.37 | superlinux | i did |
| 13:46.42 | superlinux | i did install it |
| 13:46.52 | superlinux | but i had to force it |
| 13:46.52 | asg | superlinux: did you make clean and rerun ./configure --foo |
| 13:47.11 | superlinux | wait.. this is what i got |
| 13:47.13 | superlinux | In file included from eap_peap.h:25, |
| 13:47.14 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.14 | superlinux | ../../libeap/eap_tls.h:138: error: parse error before "SSL" |
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| 13:47.50 | azeem | can one use skype instant messaging with standard Linux IM clients? |
| 13:47.58 | superlinux | this is my configure: ./configure --with-openssl-includes=/usr/include/openssl/ --with-openssl-libraries=/usr/lib/ |
| 13:48.16 | superlinux | azeem, what do u mean explain more |
| 13:48.30 | asg | superlinux: you shouldn't have to use --with-openssl... if you've installed the debian libssl-dev package |
| 13:48.37 | superlinux | ok |
| 13:48.48 | azeem | superlinux: I thought I read they wanted to use jabber or so for instant messaging (while keeping the VoIP proprietary) |
| 13:48.56 | superlinux | i'll clean and recompile |
| 13:49.13 | superlinux | i donno |
| 13:49.21 | ifvoid | are there any MTAs in debian that support OMDR (rfc2645)>? |
| 13:49.36 | fireba11 | ifvoid: IMDR ? |
| 13:49.36 | cris_nasc | Hello guys, Do you know how to limit the TIMEOUT for pop3d connection? I heard it can be done recompiling with a different timeout value, but I´m not finding this parameter in the source code, or config file. |
| 13:49.39 | fireba11 | OMDR ? |
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| 13:49.47 | superlinux | but azeem have u tried voice on skype? me, i did |
| 13:49.51 | asg | !rfc2645 |
| 13:49.55 | superlinux | it's cool |
| 13:50.02 | fireba11 | cris_nasc: what MDA ? |
| 13:50.05 | azeem | superlinux: I don't need that |
| 13:50.08 | submarineshaun | humm, restarted the computer, and it wont read at all, even /etc/profile, even when i type "bash" |
| 13:50.09 | superlinux | aha |
| 13:50.24 | stew | fireba11: what would an mda have to do with a pop server timeout? |
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| 13:50.53 | cris_nasc | courier-imap 4.1.0 |
| 13:51.00 | fireba11 | stew: er .. messed something up ^^ |
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| 13:51.37 | fireba11 | cris_nasc: read up about couriere then ... i don't know if its a config setting or you have to recompile .. why do you want to change it ? |
| 13:51.53 | stew | cris_nasc: have you tried asking #courier? |
| 13:52.20 | cris_nasc | Because our POP3D servers are opening a lot of connections and NOT closing them. So the load goes VERY high and the servers are freezing. |
| 13:52.44 | stew | cris_nasc: an open connection that is not being used wouldn't affect the load |
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| 13:53.15 | pm_ | i have an address 'host.com' i can ping it, then i try to access it using its IP, but i get the 404 error. this address is from my vpn client, what can cause it to ping but dont work in the browser? |
| 13:53.16 | stew | cris_nasc: and courier restarts itself periodically so that these connections don't live forever, if you server is crashing due to high load, i'd look for some other cause |
| 13:53.32 | fireba11 | cris_nasc: that sounds like someone is trying to brute-force your pop accounts ... |
| 13:53.38 | asg | ifvoid: http://www.plonk.de/sw/odmr/ |
| 13:54.01 | cris_nasc | But there´s a MAX_DEAMEON limitation for open connections (800 right now), and this limitation must be used to control the load |
| 13:54.40 | submarineshaun | ok, so ive given up on bash, but i have another problem: when I click on an item in my blackbox menu, nothing happens. I check my .xsession-errors and; "/bin/bash: line 1: exec: /home/shaun/.blackbox/menucommands/aterm.sh: cannot execute: No such file or directory" |
| 13:54.44 | submarineshaun | but: |
| 13:55.01 | submarineshaun | cd /home/shaun/.blackbox/menucommands; ls |
| 13:55.04 | submarineshaun | aterm.sh |
| 13:55.07 | submarineshaun | ?? |
| 13:55.35 | asg | submarineshaun: ls -l /home/shaun/.blackbox/menucommands/aterm.sh |
| 13:55.46 | asg | submarineshaun: paste the output |
| 13:55.52 | stew | cris_nasc: that sounds correct. and if you really have 800 people accessing mail at once, you likely need more than one server, talk to #courier perlstalker in there maintains a very large courier install servicing thousands of concurrent users |
| 13:56.32 | cris_nasc | We do have more than 50K accounts. |
| 13:56.42 | submarineshaun | asg: It says "No such file or directory"! now im confused... |
| 13:56.45 | cris_nasc | And we do have 5 servers, but the problem is happening in all of them. |
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| 13:57.30 | stew | cris_nasc: "the problem" being that 5 isn't enough, it sounds like |
| 13:57.30 | cris_nasc | So we really want to find out how to restrict the timeout for pop3d. |
| 13:57.57 | cris_nasc | Until last week we had 3 and there was not problem. |
| 13:57.59 | stew | cris_nasc: why do you think that will help? if a connection is idle, and subject to a timeout limit, its not affecting your load anyway |
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| 13:58.41 | cris_nasc | Stew: May be the problem is in a different place, but if we can restrict this we can find the problem faster. |
| 13:58.59 | pm_ | i have an address 'host.com' i can ping it, then i try to access it using its IP, but i get the 404 error. this address is from my vpn client, what can cause it to ping but dont work in the browser? |
| 13:59.17 | asg | submarineshaun: ls -l --show-control-chars /home/shaun/.blackbox/menucommands/ |
| 13:59.52 | ifvoid | fireba11: sorry, I meant ODMR |
| 13:59.58 | ifvoid | asg: thanks |
| 14:00.05 | asg | ifvoid: you're welcome |
| 14:00.16 | submarineshaun | asg: ok, hang on while i type the output: my linux box isnt connected to the net |
| 14:00.22 | submarineshaun | total 4 |
| 14:00.57 | submarineshaun | -rwxr-xr-x 1 shaun shaun 249 2006-03-28 02:54 aterm.sh |
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| 14:01.17 | fireba11 | ifvoid: sill got no clue what that is |
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| 14:01.38 | asg | submarineshaun: okay, if you go into /home/shaun/.blackbox and type 'at[TAB]' does the shell complete the file? |
| 14:01.52 | Coke | I've been trying to get my geforce 7800 do use 16:9 resolutions on my twinview (TV) without any luck, anybody else manage to get this working with the xorg in unstable? |
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| 14:01.53 | asg | fireba11: it's like pop-before-smtp but a different architecture |
| 14:01.57 | ifvoid | fireba11: it allows for SMTP transfers of mail to hosts that are not permanently connected or have dynamic ips |
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| 14:02.14 | fireba11 | ifvoid: ah okay |
| 14:02.28 | cris_nasc | Stew: Have you already configured a different timeout for pop3d? Do you know where I can setup this? |
| 14:02.49 | submarineshaun | asg: it completes to aterm, but not aterm.sh |
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| 14:03.15 | asg | abrotman: and if you type ./aterm and then ./aterm.sh, what happens |
| 14:03.43 | abrotman | asg: not much |
| 14:03.50 | asg | bah |
| 14:03.57 | asg | submarineshaun: and if you type ./aterm and then ./aterm.sh, what happens |
| 14:04.09 | asg | abrotman: this is what happens when I'm sick and then talk to you |
| 14:04.10 | submarineshaun | ./aterm "no such file", ./aterm.sh: launches my script in the x tty |
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| 14:04.39 | asg | submarineshaun: well it's there, I'd verify that the blackbox menu line is correct |
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| 14:04.55 | stew | cris_nasc: no, i have no need to. if you need to you'll have to edit the source |
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| 14:06.24 | submarineshaun | asg: i'm afraid so; [exec] {/home/shaun/.blackbox/menucommands/aterm.sh} |
| 14:06.39 | submarineshaun | still same error in .xsession-errors |
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| 14:07.25 | stew | cris_nasc: looks like it's hardcoded to 300 seconds in the source |
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| 14:07.37 | asg | submarineshaun: try putting aterm.sh in some other location and see if the same thing happens? |
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| 14:07.48 | submarineshaun | aye aye sir |
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| 14:08.45 | in\exhale | "***MEMORY-ERROR***: [16696]: GSlice: failed to allocate 248 bytes (alignment: 256): Invalid argument" when I try to run k3b |
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| 14:10.00 | submarineshaun | asg: ty, it now seems to be working, when i put it in /home/shaun |
| 14:10.09 | asg | submarineshaun: cool |
| 14:10.12 | in\exhale | any ideas?? |
| 14:10.58 | asg | in\exhale: does that error occur every time or just now and then? |
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| 14:11.30 | oracle_ | hi again |
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| 14:11.48 | in\exhale | asg, everytime. It used to run great, i don't know what broke |
| 14:11.57 | oracle_ | i am superlinux , please kill the "superlinux" for me |
| 14:11.58 | asg | in\exhale: what Debian version are you running? |
| 14:12.02 | fedya | i thought i uninstalled courier imap, but there's still some couriertcpd process running |
| 14:12.04 | oracle_ | asg, does the kind of the Access Point brand matter( in freeradius terms the client)? |
| 14:12.07 | in\exhale | unstable |
| 14:12.07 | asg | oracle_: /msg nickserv help |
| 14:12.15 | oracle_ | ok |
| 14:12.18 | asg | in\exhale: well, first check the bts |
| 14:12.38 | fedya | i tried to install uwimap instead of courier |
| 14:12.39 | asg | oracle_: the brand shouldn't matter provided they implemented EAP/TLS correctly, of course. |
| 14:12.43 | asg | fedya: ewww |
| 14:12.49 | fedya | :( |
| 14:12.55 | fedya | should i go back to courier? |
| 14:12.56 | oracle_ | ok |
| 14:13.04 | asg | fedya: or dovecot / binc |
| 14:13.12 | fedya | i was having some problem with it as far as nested folders |
| 14:13.20 | fedya | dovecot is an imap server? |
| 14:13.22 | wols_ | fedya: courier, cyrus21, dovecot. your choice. but NEVER uwimap |
| 14:13.22 | oracle_ | i have a z-comax have u tested it before? |
| 14:13.26 | asg | fedya: yes |
| 14:13.57 | fedya | hahaah |
| 14:14.07 | fedya | ok, how do i get rid of courier |
| 14:14.11 | oracle_ | asg, i have a z-comax AP, have u tested it before? |
| 14:14.13 | fedya | i have all the packages uninstalled it seems |
| 14:14.17 | wols_ | apt-get remove |
| 14:14.23 | fedya | but courier tcpd is still running |
| 14:14.33 | wols_ | tho, mograting the old mail might be trickier |
| 14:14.34 | asg | oracle_: no. Google might have some info though |
| 14:14.41 | wols_ | courier-common? |
| 14:14.44 | oracle_ | ok |
| 14:14.48 | abrotman | gah .. short nicks! |
| 14:15.09 | asg | abrotman: you know what they say about short nicks |
| 14:15.14 | abrotman | no |
| 14:15.20 | blondie | BIG PENISES? |
| 14:15.25 | asg | so I've heard |
| 14:15.28 | fireba11 | fedya: uwimap is about the worst imap i know .. i don't really understand why it is still default in sarge |
| 14:15.31 | wols_ | that he's a midget in real life too |
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| 14:15.51 | wols_ | fireba11: cause they "Invented" imap |
| 14:15.55 | wols_ | uw that is |
| 14:16.00 | oracle_ | i am listening to Marcus Miller ( A basist guitar) |
| 14:16.23 | fedya | i was having a problem with courier and nested folders, but it might not be courier, so i'm not sure |
| 14:16.42 | wols_ | never seen that. uwimap could have nested folders tho |
| 14:16.48 | fireba11 | fedya: details ? i'm running courier myself so i might know something |
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| 14:16.51 | wols_ | how were you moving the mail into those folders? |
| 14:17.06 | stew | fedya: specifically what problem were you having? |
| 14:17.12 | fedya | maildirs |
| 14:17.31 | wols_ | courier always uses maildirs. how did the mail end up in a subfolder? |
| 14:17.43 | fedya | stew: previously my trash, spam, whatever folders should reside next to inbox, were being nested within INBOX |
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| 14:17.45 | wols_ | MDA, MUA, etc? |
| 14:17.59 | fireba11 | fedya: that is normal with courier |
| 14:18.05 | wols_ | fedya: you using thunderbird? that's a namespaces problem |
| 14:18.08 | stew | fedya: the should be nested inside inbot, but you should be using INBOX. as your namespace |
| 14:18.17 | wols_ | fireba11: it's a display issue. can be fixed. via MUA tho |
| 14:18.27 | fireba11 | wols_: yep |
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| 14:19.25 | fedya | is there any way to fix it not in the mua? |
| 14:19.37 | fedya | let's say i have 10 or 100 mua to fix :-\ |
| 14:19.39 | wols_ | not that I know. all imap serves do it like that |
| 14:19.41 | stew | fedya: no |
| 14:19.43 | wols_ | what MUA do you use? |
| 14:19.48 | fedya | various |
| 14:19.52 | fedya | mainly thunderbird |
| 14:20.06 | fedya | in evolution it worked fine |
| 14:20.12 | fedya | but in thunderbird they were nested |
| 14:20.14 | wols_ | just take away your users outlook and OE |
| 14:20.18 | wols_ | they are EVIL with imap |
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| 14:20.26 | fireba11 | fedya: technically speaking it's a thunderbird problem imho |
| 14:20.42 | wols_ | yes. MUA problem mainly, they should fix it three |
| 14:20.48 | wols_ | *there |
| 14:21.05 | fedya | yet on my personal imap server the folders are nested correctly in thunderbird |
| 14:21.31 | wols_ | fedya: did you fudge with tbird namespaces in config? |
| 14:21.34 | fireba11 | fedya: they show "normally" in thunderbrid with uw-imag ^^ |
| 14:21.49 | fedya | nope |
| 14:21.52 | fireba11 | wols_: since you seem to know .. what do i need to do to fix it ? :-) |
| 14:22.01 | fedya | i didn't use uw |
| 14:22.05 | fedya | i used courier |
| 14:22.12 | wols_ | fedya: and you'd want to keep trash and sent, etc all on the server anyways. I think you have to set that extra on tbird too |
| 14:22.19 | fedya | that's why i was trying to switch to uw, because i've use it before and they showed "normally" |
| 14:22.27 | oracle_ | asg, i am still getting the following see the /query msg |
| 14:22.35 | wols_ | fireba11: anytime I reinstall tbird I look it up... /me is dumb that way |
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| 14:22.51 | fireba11 | wols_ *g* WHERE do you look it up ? |
| 14:23.06 | oracle_ | and i did clean the compile |
| 14:23.24 | fedya | ok well i have dovecot installed now |
| 14:23.31 | fedya | but i can't connect to the imap server |
| 14:23.33 | disposable | where can i get old isos of debian? (Potato) |
| 14:23.37 | superlinux | bye |
| 14:23.40 | fedya | as far as i can tell it's runnign and listening on 143 |
| 14:23.47 | fireba11 | disposable: please use sarge |
| 14:24.01 | stew | fedya: with dovecot you will find that ALL of your folder appear outside INBOX, iirc |
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| 14:24.24 | fedya | stew: that's what i want |
| 14:24.34 | fedya | but ican't get it running atm |
| 14:24.37 | fedya | well it's running |
| 14:24.43 | fedya | just evolution won't connect to the server |
| 14:25.03 | disposable | fireba11, i have a working irc server on an old 386 running potato (it is only connected to the lan, not to the outside world), i have no reason to upgrade it. i just need to add some packages. |
| 14:25.45 | asg | disposable: try snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:25.47 | fireba11 | disposable: still i would suggest sarge ... you can use oldstable repository if you need packages though |
| 14:25.51 | wols_ | fedya: telnet localhost 143 |
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| 14:25.57 | stew | fireba11: he can't run sarge, its a 386 |
| 14:26.06 | abrotman | it "might" work |
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| 14:26.22 | wols_ | 10 capability |
| 14:26.25 | wols_ | 20 quit |
| 14:26.31 | wols_ | that should tell you if imap runs |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | wols_: that won't work in BASIC! |
| 14:27.00 | disposable | fireba11, not everyone has an hour of time... :) |
| 14:27.07 | fedya | connection closed by foreign host |
| 14:27.09 | wols_ | abrotman: but in IMAP! |
| 14:27.14 | vorsprung | in the ps listing on debian stable (sarge) is the command name for cron usually in capital letters /USR/SBIN/CRON |
| 14:27.20 | wols_ | canonical is "a10" or so, but I'm lazy |
| 14:27.22 | vorsprung | it seems a bit odd |
| 14:27.25 | asg | abrotman: 30 GOTO HELL |
| 14:27.26 | disposable | asg: unfortunately, sdn only provides packages |
| 14:27.39 | asg | disposable: you can just grab the packages you need |
| 14:27.49 | abrotman | asg: i don't remember enough basic for a witty come back .. and i think based on that .. i win |
| 14:27.52 | fireba11 | 10 home |
| 14:27.55 | fireba11 | 20 sweet |
| 14:27.57 | fireba11 | 30 goto 10 |
| 14:28.02 | fedya | hah |
| 14:28.12 | asg | abrotman: 40 POKE ABROTMAN |
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| 14:28.16 | fedya | doesn't seem like it's accepting connectiosn |
| 14:28.24 | wols_ | fireba11: typical of a BASIC programmer to generate endless loops |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | asg: don't make me relearn pascal! |
| 14:28.38 | asg | abrotman: =: heh |
| 14:28.40 | wols_ | abrotman: now that's an unfair blow |
| 14:28.40 | disposable | asg: and get dependency hell on debian? :) thank you |
| 14:28.43 | fedya | root 1550 0.0 0.0 1664 456 ? S 08:57 0:00 /usr/sbin/courierlogger imaplogin |
| 14:28.46 | fireba11 | wols_: that's from futurama |
| 14:28.50 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 14:28.50 | fedya | that still seems to be running fro some reason |
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| 14:28.55 | pipeline | abrotman: Freepascal has delphi-like libraries now :P |
| 14:28.59 | wols_ | funktion: fry is an iodit anyways |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | asg: i can go RPGIV on your ass! |
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| 14:29.06 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 14:29.14 | wols_ | someone said Lazarus was apparently quite good |
| 14:29.16 | fedya | oh i see |
| 14:29.20 | fedya | dovecot isn't running |
| 14:29.20 | wols_ | I couldn't believe it but he insisted |
| 14:29.21 | fedya | odd |
| 14:29.22 | asg | !seen lazarus |
| 14:29.23 | dpkg | lazarus <lazarus@lazarus.registered> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 633d 21h 35m 59s ago, saying: '!ops'. |
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| 14:29.48 | stew | fedya: you have to stop courier before you'll be able to start dovecot |
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| 14:30.03 | abrotman | or at least run them on different ports |
| 14:30.08 | blafd | hey |
| 14:30.21 | wols_ | stew: dovecot will remote courier, can't even install it while courier is still on disk |
| 14:30.29 | blafd | why did this box just install with gnome and a gnome login system? |
| 14:30.39 | asg | blafd: you told it to |
| 14:30.42 | abrotman | because you asked it to |
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| 14:30.45 | wols_ | *remove |
| 14:30.46 | blafd | did i really? |
| 14:30.47 | blafd | lol |
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| 14:30.56 | abrotman | blafd: well .. how did it get there? |
| 14:31.14 | abrotman | or drunk |
| 14:31.16 | blafd | well my box at home got KDE and kde login system |
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| 14:31.25 | stew | wols_: correct, but becuase its not on disk doesn't mean an old copy isn't still running |
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| 14:31.49 | blafd | fairly sure it was the same cd |
| 14:32.10 | fedya | how do you restart the network? |
| 14:32.11 | wols_ | stew: I once wanted to run cyurs and courier at the same time. just won't work. so I know it doesn't work if the maintainers did their work :) |
| 14:32.18 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.43 | disposable | asg: found potato at last... ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/Debian-2.2/ |
| 14:32.59 | asg | disposable: ah, cool |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | disposable: http://archive.debian.org/dists/ |
| 14:33.30 | fedya | weird |
| 14:33.39 | fedya | ok well dovecot won't start on its own |
| 14:33.47 | disposable | abrotman: where were you 4minutes ago when i needed it? :) |
| 14:33.57 | fedya | do i need to reconfigure it or something? also in rcconf there is still an entry for courier-imap |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | disposable: discussing BASIC ? |
| 14:34.10 | fedya | but ive removed all the packages for it |
| 14:34.15 | darkskiez | i want a .deb file i'm making to re-recreate config files if they are missing, how can i configure control file to do that |
| 14:34.15 | abrotman | !archive |
| 14:34.16 | dpkg | well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive, or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | dpkg: archive =~ s/archive,/archive |
| 14:34.39 | abrotman | dpkg: archive =~ s/archive,/archive/ |
| 14:34.39 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 14:35.01 | stew | fedya: that's normal, the initscript is a conffile and therefore not removed unless you purge, kill the stray courier process by hand: pkill couriertcpd |
| 14:35.17 | fedya | oh yea i forgot about purge |
| 14:35.18 | fedya | ok |
| 14:35.21 | fedya | what about dovecot? |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | disposable: you realize that mahcine can probably run woody right ? |
| 14:35.30 | fedya | reconfigure it after purging courier? |
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| 14:36.09 | stew | fedya: once the courier process is stopped, i'm guessing that dovecot will start when you /etc/init.d/dovecot start |
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| 14:38.40 | fedya | still nothing |
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| 14:38.57 | disposable | abrotman: aaah. no time for that. i can download potato iso in 50 seconds, put the cd in, run dselect and let it run for another 3 years without disturbing.. |
| 14:39.09 | asg | fedya: check /etc/default/dovecot and make sure it isn't being started from inetd |
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| 14:39.18 | stew | fedya: read /usr/share/doc/dovecot, you might need to enable the daemon in either /etc/default/dovecot or somewhere in /etc/dovecot |
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| 14:39.25 | abrotman | disposable: uhm ok |
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| 14:39.49 | fedya | do i want it starting from inetd or not |
| 14:39.54 | fedya | hwo do i want it starting ratehr |
| 14:39.56 | asg | fedya: generally, no |
| 14:40.06 | asg | fedya: you'd want it to run as a standalone daemon |
| 14:40.27 | disposable | abrotman, that's IF i figure out where the actual .iso files are |
| 14:40.35 | abrotman | disposable: are you serious? |
| 14:40.38 | fedya | /etc/default/dovecot doesn't exist.. |
| 14:40.58 | fedya | do i need to reconfigure the package or something? |
| 14:41.03 | disposable | abrotman, what happens if i say yes? |
| 14:41.07 | disposable | abrotman, yes |
| 14:41.17 | abrotman | disposable: i'll laugh .. a lot |
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| 14:41.46 | fedya | /etc/init.d/dovecot start will start it even if it's a standalone daemon? |
| 14:42.05 | shermhead | Question: I am running squid and it works but, there is one website it wont load up. Is there a DNS resolv or cache I can clear? |
| 14:42.11 | disposable | abrotman, well all i see are Contents-$architecture.gz files |
| 14:42.18 | abrotman | that's no help |
| 14:42.25 | stew | fedya: /etc/init.d/dovecot will start it ONLY if its a standalone daemon |
| 14:42.36 | asg | shermhead: it depends on the error it is giving you |
| 14:42.58 | shermhead | asg: there is no error just times out |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | disposable: might be easier to download the entire archive and make your own set of CDs |
| 14:43.19 | asg | shermhead: can you resolve the ip (using dig, nslookup, host, etc.) |
| 14:43.29 | abrotman | disposable: or send email to debian-user .. ask if anyone knows where to find an ISO or jigdo |
| 14:43.49 | citral | a luck that shermhead didn't put an "p" instead of the first "h" of his nick |
| 14:43.55 | shermhead | asg : I can access the site using links in the machines console |
| 14:44.09 | fedya | i'm so lost at the moment |
| 14:44.16 | shermhead | asg : just when using squid doesnt work.. all the girls at my work are bugging me that they cant use myspace |
| 14:44.20 | abrotman | disposable: you can use archive.debian.org as a source in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:44.24 | stew | fedya: /usr/share/doc/dovecot/README.Debian |
| 14:44.38 | asg | shermhead: what does /var/log/squid/access.log indicate the problem to be? |
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| 14:45.04 | fedya | ugh, nothing there either |
| 14:45.21 | disposable | abrotman, i have potato cd's lying around somewhere, it's just since my girlfriend moved in, stuff keeps moving.... (that potato box isn't connected to internet) i'll go for woody then. is it still supported? |
| 14:45.35 | disposable | abrotman, s/cd's/cds |
| 14:45.36 | abrotman | disposable: for about 6 more months :) |
| 14:45.45 | stew | fedya: courier is now stopped? does "netstat -plant | grep 143" return an open port? |
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| 14:47.08 | darkskiez | is there a good resource for making slightly more compicated control files/pre/post scripts for .debs |
| 14:47.15 | shermhead | asg : still scrolling to bottom of the huge log |
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| 14:47.32 | fedya | no |
| 14:47.34 | stew | darkskiez: your best bet is to look at others who have done something like what you want to do, what are you trying to do? |
| 14:47.56 | fedya | but it's for port 143 on a different machine |
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| 14:48.19 | asg | shermhead: just use grep(1) to pull out the relevant info |
| 14:48.19 | fedya | hm, so this should start working as soon as i can get this thing to start heh |
| 14:48.40 | disq | quick Q: how should I edit the initrd image? i mount it with -o loop -t cramfs, can't write |
| 14:48.47 | darkskiez | stew: i've got a problem, we use debs for our software, i want to make it replace config files if they have been deleted, and also to query if they have changed, sometimes it doesnt do the config file changed dialogue, and i'm not sure why. |
| 14:48.48 | stew | fedya: "but it's for port 143 on a different machine" <- what do yo umean by this? |
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| 14:49.26 | stew | darkskiez: becuase by policy you must not overwrite a config file that has been changed, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:49.32 | disq | the thing is I moved the installation from /dev/sda1 to /dev/hda6 (sda was a vmware box, hda6 is a real disk partition) now it won't boot even with root=/dev/hda6 :) |
| 14:49.58 | disq | (of course i edited menu.lst and fstab) |
| 14:50.03 | usn | hi folx |
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| 14:50.14 | darkskiez | stew: what about the config changed dialogues |
| 14:50.36 | fedya | stew: it's connected to an imap box on my isp in evolution |
| 14:50.52 | fedya | 143 isn't open on this computer right now after removing courier |
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| 14:52.15 | darkskiez | stew: ah yes, what confuses me though is the sometimes asking about the changed config files and sometimes not. |
| 14:52.19 | shermhead | asg : it doesnt make it to the log.. it just times out |
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| 14:52.33 | submarineshaun | whats the offical kernel version for sarge 31r1, 2.6 tree? |
| 14:52.39 | asg | shermhead: hmmm, odd |
| 14:52.42 | asg | shermhead: 2.6.8 |
| 14:52.46 | asg | bah |
| 14:52.49 | asg | submarineshaun: 2.6.8 |
| 14:52.50 | thingfish | submarineshaun: 2.6.8-3 |
| 14:52.54 | submarineshaun | ty |
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| 14:52.59 | asg | shermhead: you might need to consult #squid at this point |
| 14:53.04 | shermhead | asg : its symptomatic of it having a dns table it resolves wrong |
| 14:53.15 | asg | shermhead: then just restart squid |
| 14:53.19 | fedya | trying to start dovecot manually Fatal: No protocols given in configuration file |
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| 14:53.54 | stew | darkskiez: i'd guess you should maybe: man udf |
| 14:54.06 | shermhead | asg : I did that too.. strange |
| 14:54.16 | stew | fedya: /usr/share/doc/dovecot/README.Debian |
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| 14:54.41 | shermhead | asg : where are dns tables stored? doesnt squid cache dns resolves somewhere |
| 14:54.53 | Kazak77 | hi ppl |
| 14:54.58 | fedya | stew: it's empty |
| 14:55.01 | asg | shermhead: iirc, it caches them in memory for a period; restarting should have fixed that though |
| 14:55.30 | shermhead | asg : I did killall squid then after that did squid start |
| 14:55.38 | darkskiez | stew: udf? |
| 14:55.46 | stew | darkskiez: ucf |
| 14:55.46 | Kazak77 | how conf Wifi? |
| 14:55.50 | stew | fedya: oh, i'm sorry, you want /usr/share/doc/dovecot-imapd/README.Debian |
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| 14:57.17 | darkskiez | stew: still too cryptic for me sorry |
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| 14:57.37 | darkskiez | ahh found it |
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| 14:58.04 | Kazak77 | ppl I dont know how up WiFi on my laptop |
| 14:58.23 | asg | Kazak77: install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
| 14:58.34 | fedya | oh wow i'm retarded |
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| 14:58.44 | fedya | didn't notice it wasn't serving any protocols |
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| 15:01.21 | Kazak77 | asg: when get wireless-tools |
| 15:01.35 | asg | Kazak77: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 15:01.39 | fedya | AHHh!!! thank you all |
| 15:01.49 | asg | !beer stew |
| 15:01.58 | fedya | dovecot works great, folders are where they should be |
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| 15:02.40 | ansong | i was running rkhunter yesterday, all was well until it scans for hidden files, i've got /dev/.udevdb /dev/.udev /dev/.static /usr/.Trash-root /usr/bin/.xcmd_start /etc/.java and /etc/.pwd.lock that it wants me to inspect. are these normal files to have hidden? |
| 15:02.40 | tenk | hi everybody |
| 15:02.49 | quiet | dpkg still dead? |
| 15:02.49 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 15:03.10 | asg | ansong: .xcmd_start looks odd as does .Trash-root. The rest are standard |
| 15:03.17 | tenk | i have some prob on compilling ffmpeg : it says ' cannot find libpostproc.so.0.0.1' but i've already install libpostproc-dev |
| 15:03.18 | asg | !test |
| 15:03.18 | dpkg | Yes, asg, you're still online. |
| 15:03.20 | asg | quiet: nope |
| 15:03.21 | tenk | what can i do please ? |
| 15:03.28 | azeem | .Trash-root is from nautilus AFAICT |
| 15:03.30 | volt3r | hi, i`m trying to set up debian unstable on my laptop but i get error when trying to install linux-image-2.6* |
| 15:03.34 | volt3r | /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs-kpkg: line 55: supported_host_version: unbound variable |
| 15:03.39 | volt3r | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 15:03.46 | azeem | tenk: .so.0.0.1 is the shared library |
| 15:03.49 | volt3r | anyone have an idea? |
| 15:03.58 | Kazak77 | asg: it install but i dont see this product |
| 15:03.59 | tenk | azeem : what do you mean? |
| 15:04.04 | azeem | tenk: run dpkg -L libpostproc0 | grep lib and see whether it is there |
| 15:04.07 | ansong | asg, azeem, thanks |
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| 15:04.32 | tenk | azeem : no nothing |
| 15:04.32 | yperite | ansong |
| 15:04.48 | azeem | tenk: there's no shared library |
| 15:04.51 | asg | Kazak77: wireless-tools contains wireless(7) ; man 7 wireless |
| 15:04.53 | fedya | is there a gui firewall configuration tool ? |
| 15:04.53 | yperite | ansong : try www.zeppoo.net |
| 15:05.00 | azeem | tenk: you need to tell whatever you're building to link statically |
| 15:05.10 | azeem | ehz |
| 15:05.18 | azeem | postproc is from ffmpeg |
| 15:05.23 | tenk | azeem : so what i must do exactly? |
| 15:05.27 | tenk | azeem yes |
| 15:05.32 | azeem | tenk: dunno, why don't you use the Debian packageß |
| 15:05.33 | azeem | ? |
| 15:05.45 | tenk | azeem because i cannot find it |
| 15:06.04 | azeem | it's in stable, testing and unstable |
| 15:06.11 | azeem | ffmpeg, that is |
| 15:06.16 | jnco | who is ready to help a newbie |
| 15:06.30 | tenk | azzem : apt-get install libpostproc0 shows me some depedencies |
| 15:06.39 | azeem | tenk: no |
| 15:06.40 | yperite | ansong, zeppoo is better thah chkrootkit or rkhunter try it if you hqve any problem www.zeppoo.net |
| 15:06.46 | azeem | tenk: why is apt-get install ffmpeg not good enough? |
| 15:06.48 | jnco | im sttill on version 2.2.20 and really trying to upgrade to sarge, I have the sources installed |
| 15:07.04 | azeem | jnco: read the sarge release notes on how to upgrade |
| 15:07.14 | jnco | ok |
| 15:07.28 | Kazak77 | asg: i havent etc\network i have etc\net but i dont see inteface |
| 15:07.29 | tenk | azeem : because it shows dependecies too |
| 15:07.41 | azeem | tenk: so paste the error messages to a pastebin |
| 15:07.42 | azeem | !paster |
| 15:07.42 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 15:09.58 | lordactar | #debianizzati |
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| 15:10.43 | asg | Kazak77: it's /etc/network/interfaces. Are you running Debian? |
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| 15:11.37 | Tenshi | what's the command to list files in a .deb file again? |
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| 15:11.42 | asg | Tenshi: dpkg -L |
| 15:11.48 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:11.55 | Kazak77 | asg: yes irun clone debian alt-linux |
| 15:12.18 | asg | Kazak77: well, if you don't have /etc/network/interfaces, I suggest you ask the alt-linux people |
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| 15:13.16 | ansong | yperite, looks interesting. i'll check it out |
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| 15:13.27 | xomhau | hi * |
| 15:13.35 | Kazak77 | asg: phenx |
| 15:14.01 | xomhau | how to change first letter in filename from small letter to capital letter?? |
| 15:14.15 | asg | xomhau: rename |
| 15:14.29 | yperite | ansong, is very interesting and so powerful, it's new but i councel you to try it :) |
| 15:14.48 | asg | xomhau: if it's just one file, then use 'mv filename Filename' |
| 15:15.17 | xomhau | asg, many files :D |
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| 15:15.27 | asg | xomhau: then rename(1) is your friend |
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| 15:16.40 | fedya | can guarddog be run in gnome? |
| 15:16.50 | xomhau | asg, rename "y/A-Z/a-z/" * ?? |
| 15:16.56 | asg | fedya: sure |
| 15:16.56 | xomhau | let me try |
| 15:17.07 | ansong | hmm, rkhunter also found "unsafe ownership on config file ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf" can someone tell me what that ownership should be? |
| 15:17.15 | asg | xomhau: no, you need to come up with the regex to change just the first letter from /a-z/A-Z/ |
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| 15:17.37 | asg | ansong: personally, I'd use 600 |
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| 15:17.53 | ansong | asg, funny thing is, thats what it is now |
| 15:17.55 | xomhau | asg, i know, i copy and paste from man page |
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| 15:18.28 | asg | ansong: well, that's about as safe as it's going to get unless you chmod 000 it ;) |
| 15:18.47 | ansong | asg, i doubt that would help me tho' |
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| 15:18.55 | ansong | asg, thanks again. |
| 15:18.58 | asg | ansong: sure |
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| 15:19.36 | quiet | chflags |
| 15:19.59 | abrotman | !tell D-N-A about root |
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| 15:21.46 | xomhau | asg, :(( this command changed all letter :D , no first letter |
| 15:22.08 | asg | xomhau: yes, that's what I warned you about. |
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| 15:24.58 | _joey_ | !tell D-N-A about cock |
| 15:25.53 | fedya | another question |
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| 15:26.16 | fedya | when i dont have a firewall turned on, i can connect to this comp from another using hostname |
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| 15:26.28 | fedya | now i turned on the firewall, and i can't connect to it by hostname, only by ip |
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| 15:26.49 | fedya | If protocol is TCP and destination port is auth is allowed |
| 15:26.50 | asg | fedya: sounds like a DNS resolution issue |
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| 15:26.56 | fedya | i was thiking that might be it |
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| 15:27.23 | _joey_ | it is |
| 15:27.40 | _joey_ | and it has nothing to do with remote system that has firewall in place |
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| 15:27.47 | _joey_ | hostname is resolved locally first |
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| 15:28.42 | fedya | asg: any reason why the firewall might do that? |
| 15:29.26 | jnco | fedya |
| 15:29.29 | jnco | sounds like its your dns |
| 15:29.31 | asg | fedya: put some logging rules in and find out |
| 15:29.39 | jnco | i can't connect to it by hostname, only by ip... |
| 15:29.44 | _joey | fedya rub two brain cells together and open port 53 if you can't connect from firewall using the hostname |
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| 15:29.50 | jnco | is this in a home network |
| 15:30.05 | jnco | or an office network, do you have a dns server? allow dns service in the firewall |
| 15:30.59 | jnco | be nice joey |
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| 15:31.11 | fmasi | hi how do i know what filesystem a partition have whithout having aces to fstab |
| 15:31.13 | fedya | no dns server |
| 15:31.20 | fedya | office |
| 15:31.20 | jnco | open up port 53 |
| 15:31.22 | fedya | no dns though |
| 15:31.22 | jnco | like he said |
| 15:31.29 | jnco | thats dns |
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| 15:31.40 | asg | fmasi: cat /proc/mounts (or run mount) |
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| 15:32.02 | thingfish | fmasi: try fdisk -l |
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| 15:32.19 | fmasi | asg but lets say i runing i live cd and what to mout some partitions that i have no idea what it is |
| 15:32.38 | fmasi | and fdisk -l just say linux dont say raiserfs or ext3 |
| 15:32.39 | asg | fmasi: try mounting it, the kernel will likely use the correct module |
| 15:32.45 | fmasi | a ok |
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| 15:33.05 | cycus_zwisus | how to make gnome apps (while using kde) use other than default icon sets? |
| 15:33.22 | thingfish | fmasi: darn it, you're right - I was thinking it was more specific. |
| 15:33.23 | fmasi | its becouse the admin run away and dident tellm me the root password so i was haking the password |
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| 15:34.00 | thingfish | although it does give the Id of the file system, so if you knew those... |
| 15:34.21 | fedya | opening 53 doesn't fix it |
| 15:34.38 | asg | fedya: UDP port 53? |
| 15:35.00 | fedya | ah |
| 15:35.02 | fedya | only tcp |
| 15:35.15 | _joey | wanker |
| 15:35.19 | asg | fedya: DNS uses tcp 53 for zone transfers and large packet info that doesn't fit in UDP |
| 15:35.55 | dureyes | just installed firefox for sarge and notice that when I highlight the "Latest Headlines" the selection are all in white...anyone else with this little problem? |
| 15:36.14 | fedya | i dont think i'm even running a dns server here |
| 15:36.21 | fedya | unless it's jsut builtin or something |
| 15:36.51 | thingfish | dureyes: if it's not a theme problem, you can check bugs.debian.org/mozilla-firefox |
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| 15:37.18 | fedya | hm not working |
| 15:37.24 | fedya | i think it will just wrok when i install it |
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| 15:37.40 | fedya | i think it's just not working with local network |
| 15:37.59 | ealm | why wont my usb stick show up on device /dev/sda1? it is listed on lsusb and used to be on sda1... how do I access it now? |
| 15:38.00 | fedya | it'll have a domainname pointing to it later |
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| 15:38.11 | _joey | built-in my arse |
| 15:38.24 | fmasi | thingfish that was the first thing i thout about too lol buts asg is right aparently the kernel did mount it corecly |
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| 15:38.30 | _joey | fire up tcpdump man and trace the packets flow |
| 15:38.44 | _joey | you fscked up somewhere along the way |
| 15:39.01 | _joey | although it might be user error, as always |
| 15:39.15 | fedya | _joey, but 53 isn't even open on this computer |
| 15:39.35 | abrotman | check UDP |
| 15:39.40 | _joey | first , descript your network so it's clear what you are doing and what the problem is |
| 15:39.46 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 15:39.47 | dpkg | open ports is, like, netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 15:39.51 | _joey | then try few tests and publish the results etc |
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| 15:43.13 | _joey | or nmap -sU -p 53 ip and nmap -sT -p 53 ip |
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| 15:43.48 | _joey | as they say, there're so many ways to skin the cat |
| 15:43.50 | _joey | :) |
| 15:44.20 | lepton | ealm: is it plugged in? does the kernel log the connection when you plug it in? |
| 15:46.37 | _joey | Christ, I have been brought two dvd;s which contain _all_ MS Windows versions and _all_ dos OS |
| 15:46.41 | _joey | lmao |
| 15:46.54 | _joey | as early as windows 1.0 I think |
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| 15:47.15 | asg | _joey: 1.0 was 5 floppies |
| 15:47.34 | jnco | =) |
| 15:47.38 | jnco | windows 1 |
| 15:47.39 | jnco | wow. |
| 15:47.54 | _joey | wait, I'd put the list of them on a website or pastebin |
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| 15:48.05 | asg | !list |
| 15:48.05 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to asg@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 15:48.09 | jnco | did it include dos or did u have to have it installed first |
| 15:48.11 | jnco | !list |
| 15:48.32 | jnco | !list |
| 15:48.32 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to jnco@is.a.fucktard.com |
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| 15:48.35 | jnco | heh |
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| 15:51.11 | ealm | lepton: it does, should I paste dmesg in flood? |
| 15:51.15 | ealm | ...#flood |
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| 15:53.23 | jnco | HOARRAH FOR SARGE!!!!!!! |
| 15:53.45 | SilverMoonDragon | jnco, what? |
| 15:53.49 | jnco | =) |
| 15:53.53 | jnco | YAY! |
| 15:54.01 | jnco | so long woody! |
| 15:54.16 | jnco | cold shower for you! |
| 15:54.20 | jnco | hello army! |
| 15:54.29 | jnco | YES SIR |
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| 15:55.05 | jnco | * ealm has left #debian-kde ("Konversation terminated!") |
| 15:55.06 | jnco | <jnco> Konversation terminated! . nerd. lol |
| 15:55.20 | linrunix | does anybody has run the epsx¿? |
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| 15:55.45 | darkskiez | how does dpkg decide whether it will prompt you to install an updated config file for a package, or when it will just leave your own file without question. |
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| 15:56.53 | valdyn | darkskiez: it doesnt |
| 15:57.02 | phaedral | apt-cache search streaming didn't get me what I'm looking for: a text based stream player for sarge...clues? |
| 15:57.09 | _joey | asg: http://pastebin.com/627003 |
| 15:57.16 | _joey | and that's not all |
| 15:57.22 | _joey | only the oldest :) |
| 15:57.25 | _joey | lmao |
| 15:57.26 | darkskiez | valdyn: ooohkay, im sure i've seen it say 'updated config file, install maintainer version?' |
| 15:57.39 | _joey | Someone has been collecting various OS |
| 15:57.46 | valdyn | darkskiez: it always asks you |
| 15:58.07 | lepton | ealm: sure, paste into #flood or use a pastebin website |
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| 15:58.18 | darkskiez | valdyn: i see. |
| 15:58.28 | valdyn | darkskiez: maybe you are putting _generated_ config files into the same, but they are not |
| 15:59.14 | asg | _joey: no MS Bob though |
| 15:59.36 | Mnabil | is Debian 3.0r4 is the last version ? |
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| 15:59.49 | valdyn | darkskiez: XF86Config-4 is generated for example, not contained in the package, so it works differently |
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| 15:59.55 | _joey | asg what's that? |
| 16:00.01 | darkskiez | valdyn: okeydokey, thanks |
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| 16:00.47 | asg | _joey: their one and only failed attempt at a social interface |
| 16:00.47 | stefan__ | how do I change so that I don't need to be root to burn cd/dvd? |
| 16:00.47 | Mnabil | is Debian 3.0r4 is the last version ? |
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| 16:01.05 | valdyn | Mnabil: no |
| 16:01.09 | stefan__ | Mnabil, No the latest is 3.1r1 |
| 16:01.12 | asg | Mnabil: 3.0r6 was the last woody, 3.1r1 is the latest sarge |
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| 16:02.17 | Mnabil | what is woody and sarge ? |
| 16:02.23 | jengelh | codenames |
| 16:02.24 | valdyn | !woody |
| 16:02.25 | dpkg | [woody] the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
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| 16:02.38 | asg | !sarge |
| 16:02.39 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 16:02.48 | Vinland | well being the smart man that I am I deleted my mysql database. Anyone know how to recreate this? |
| 16:03.00 | asg | Vinland: restore from backups? |
| 16:03.06 | Vinland | asg -ha |
| 16:03.08 | Vinland | I wish |
| 16:03.20 | Vinland | I had no idea that database did anything at all, i never backed it up and I deleted it |
| 16:03.37 | jengelh | life's not fair. though, whatelse is. |
| 16:03.39 | valdyn | Vinland: what did that database do? |
| 16:04.02 | Vinland | the mysql database apparently holds all the usernames and passwords for mysql |
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| 16:04.30 | valdyn | Vinland: you could just reinstall mysql, maybe with confmiss |
| 16:04.32 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 16:04.32 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 16:05.17 | valdyn | Vinland: purging then installing it will do it too |
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| 16:05.40 | Vinland | valdyn - i'd rather avoid a reinstall, there is a simple way to do it, but the mysql guys are a bunch of dicks. |
| 16:06.02 | valdyn | Vinland: reinstalling a few packages is to hard? |
| 16:06.12 | valdyn | Vinland: maybe you shouldnt use computers ;) |
| 16:06.20 | Vinland | did I say it was too hard |
| 16:06.31 | Vinland | maybe there are other reasons why it can't go down, even for a reinstall. |
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| 16:07.35 | rares000 | is 2.6.16 packaged yet? |
| 16:07.41 | valdyn | rares000: yea |
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| 16:11.00 | linrunix | has anybody use ´compiz´¿? |
| 16:11.13 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 16:11.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:11.14 | thewhite | Since my last dist-upgrade (unstable) my KDE fails to login from kdm. How do I fix it? |
| 16:12.37 | jnco | ... |
| 16:12.41 | jnco | need allot more details thewhite |
| 16:12.43 | jnco | what happens |
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| 16:13.31 | rares000 | there needs to be a !itduzntwerk script |
| 16:13.35 | valdyn | thewhite: run 'apt-get install kde', tell us the output |
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| 16:13.50 | valdyn | thewhite: no need to type the Y, just tell us the output |
| 16:13.52 | thewhite | both gdm and kdm fails to start up a session after I write my user and password. The whole sessions restarts |
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| 16:15.03 | thewhite | oh shit, it seems like my whole kde was uninstalled. Strange |
| 16:15.10 | TheJumbo | hi, how do I tell my debian that the BIOS time is local taime? |
| 16:15.11 | valdyn | !dist-upgrade |
| 16:15.12 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'stable->testing', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 16:15.22 | Myon | TheJumbo: /etc/default/rcS |
| 16:15.25 | valdyn | thewhite: read what dpkg said |
| 16:15.35 | TheJumbo | Myon: thx |
| 16:16.07 | thewhite | valdyn: its a looooong list |
| 16:16.46 | valdyn | thewhite: yep, i see, i dont need that list, its existance explains it all anyway |
| 16:16.47 | TheJumbo | myon: hm... it says UTC=no... yet whenever I reboot I am teo hours ahead... the BIOS time is ok, though |
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| 16:17.23 | Myon | maybe the timezone is wrong |
| 16:17.39 | Myon | ls -l /etc/localtime ; echo $TZ |
| 16:17.47 | thewhite | valdyn: kdesktop and kde-menu and many more are installed... |
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| 16:18.00 | TheJumbo | myon: TZ is not set |
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| 16:18.23 | valdyn | thewhite: so? |
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| 16:18.41 | Myon | no idea then... are you running ntp(date)? |
| 16:18.47 | valdyn | !install kde |
| 16:18.48 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:18.56 | TheJumbo | myon: I don't think so |
| 16:19.13 | TheJumbo | myon: but let me check... installing it might be agood idea too |
| 16:19.29 | thewhite | : kde-core is already the newest version. |
| 16:19.36 | TheJumbo | myon: what is /etc/localtime anyway? |
| 16:19.43 | Myon | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2005-05-30 15:15 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin |
| 16:19.51 | thewhite | but login fails for both gnome and kde |
| 16:20.11 | valdyn | thewhite: anything it doesnt fail for? |
| 16:20.14 | Myon | the default timezone when TZ is unset |
| 16:20.30 | TheJumbo | myon: mine isn't a link... |
| 16:20.40 | TheJumbo | myon: rather a binary file |
| 16:20.57 | Myon | that's also fine, should start with TZ |
| 16:21.00 | thewhite | just root using startx will start a gnomesessions and that works. Regular users can't do that |
| 16:21.07 | TheJumbo | myon: it does |
| 16:21.27 | valdyn | thewhite: look at the file ~/.xsession-errors of your user |
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| 16:21.41 | TheJumbo | myon: and there are strings CEST and CET at the end which seems fine... |
| 16:22.04 | Myon | (have to run) |
| 16:22.07 | TheJumbo | but anyway, BIOS should be the local time, there is no need to change iot to whatever... |
| 16:22.17 | TheJumbo | myon: thx anyway, I'll instal ntp |
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| 16:23.26 | rares000 | how do I debianize a kernel.org kernel? |
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| 16:23.48 | valdyn | rares000: you mean 'how do i create a deb out of a kernel.org kernel' ? |
| 16:23.52 | cahoot | rares000: use kernel-package |
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| 16:24.08 | KerPlunk_ | I installed debian testing/gnome I did apt-get install gnome, and when I start the default terminal for gnome, my fonts are all weird shapes and not letters, how can I fix this? |
| 16:24.36 | KerPlunk_ | /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 16:24.39 | rares000 | do I have to copy the config in /boot to .config before that |
| 16:24.41 | KerPlunk_ | That is my terminal |
| 16:24.47 | azeem | KerPlunk_: is it gnome-terminal? |
| 16:24.47 | valdyn | KerPlunk_: dpkg -l ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 16:24.53 | azeem | where does the symlink point to? |
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| 16:25.24 | rares000 | ls -l /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 16:25.42 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: It's not installed. |
| 16:25.46 | thewhite | valdyn: I got lots of errors like: kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! and kdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kdnssd.so: undefined symbol: init_kdnssd and tons of more |
| 16:26.21 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: When I apt-get install it, then start the terminal again, it still shows weird characters and not letters. |
| 16:26.23 | valdyn | thewhite: more undefined symbols? |
| 16:26.32 | KerPlunk_ | azeem: I dunno, it's whatever x-terminal-emulator is |
| 16:26.34 | wren | I know this is a somewhat different question, but I'm looking to install Windows. Right now I'm set up with a pure Debian system with raid partitions split over my two hard drives. I'm considering shifting everything around installing Windows as a secondary boot. I've done stuff like this before, but never with RAID involved... I was wondering if anyone had tips/suggestions/thoughts on the matter? |
| 16:26.36 | valdyn | KerPlunk_: see what rares000 said |
| 16:27.12 | rares000 | we want to know "whatever x-terminal-emulator" is |
| 16:27.18 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: that links to /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
| 16:27.29 | KerPlunk_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2006-03-27 15:10 /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/gnome-terminal.wrapper |
| 16:27.32 | valdyn | wren: give up, you cant combine linux software raid with windows software raid unless your linux software raid is made _specificially_ with the preference used by the bios / windows |
| 16:27.40 | thewhite | valdyn: klauncher: Exiting on signal 1, klauncher: Fatal IO error: client killed lots of Fatal IO errors |
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| 16:27.43 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: It's whatever the default is, I just did apt-get install gnome, on debian/unstable |
| 16:27.54 | _zippy_ | hi.. pls.. what means "etch" version? |
| 16:27.54 | agntorgn | i just have to unpack a .rpm - is there a small tool for doing that or do i have to apt-get install rpm ?? |
| 16:27.57 | valdyn | KerPlunk_: echo $LC_ALL |
| 16:27.59 | KerPlunk_ | !etch |
| 16:27.59 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 16:28.07 | rares000 | apt-get install alien |
| 16:28.13 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: That returns nothing. |
| 16:28.13 | wren | valdyn: I'd be fine to give up having RAID; to be honest, it's not doing me much good. And none of my partitions would be Windows readable anyway... I just want to repartition things and keep my data alive. |
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| 16:28.32 | valdyn | KerPlunk_: type 'locale', what does that print? |
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| 16:29.18 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/627074 |
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| 16:30.05 | valdyn | KerPlunk_: not as root please, do this as your regular user, ( the same that fails to spawn a 'proper' gnome-terminal |
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| 16:30.51 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/627077 |
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| 16:32.04 | valdyn | KerPlunk_: try changing the font used in gnome-terminal's profile |
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| 16:32.56 | valdyn | wren: i dont see any problem then |
| 16:33.12 | valdyn | wren: there's no reason why your raid partitions should affect this or be affected by windows |
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| 16:33.39 | valdyn | wren: sure windows will fuck your mbr, as usual... |
| 16:34.08 | rares000 | i got /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs-kpkg: 66: supported_host_version: parameter not set |
| 16:34.16 | mpoer | who here paidthe least for their computer (hardware)? |
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| 16:34.17 | wren | valdyn: Well, the problem is, I set up this computer with the idea I'd never run Windows again. Almost all the space is used on both of my hard disks (largely because of raid) so I'd have to do some serious reorganization to make it all fit. I've never broken apart RAID systems before, though. I have mirrored devices and striped devices... |
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| 16:36.07 | rares000 | should I use initrd-tools or initramfs-tools? |
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| 16:37.18 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: thanks, I could only get a couple to work, out of the dosen or so I tried. |
| 16:37.38 | KerPlunk_ | valdyn: Why are those fonts listed but they aren't supported? is it because fonts/locale is being changed now? |
| 16:37.54 | twiggz | can someone help me out? what are some good apt repositories i can add to my sources.list? |
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| 16:39.00 | KerPlunk_ | twiggz: What version of debian? |
| 16:39.04 | Ronin | twiggz: apt-setup |
| 16:39.08 | twiggz | sarge |
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| 16:39.11 | twiggz | 3.1 r1 |
| 16:39.14 | KerPlunk_ | !marillat.sarge |
| 16:39.15 | dpkg | i heard marillat.sarge is type echo "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; as root to add the marillat repository if you are using debian/3.1 |
| 16:39.23 | thewhite | valdyn: Now I found out what fails, its Xsession, users get permission denied. |
| 16:39.24 | KerPlunk_ | !marillat |
| 16:39.24 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
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| 16:41.05 | deejoe_ | ok, so in preparation for bringing a legacy system up to sarge from woody, I have some woody chroot environments in which I'm trying to test some things out. But, whenever I try to su to a non-root user in the woody chroot, it hangs. See #flood for a paste of some strace output |
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| 16:41.58 | deejoe_ | the juicy bits are the last two lines: _llseek(3, 0, 0xbffff734, SEEK_CUR) = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek) |
| 16:42.01 | deejoe_ | write(3, "PAM_unix[6017]: (su) session ope"..., 64 |
| 16:42.07 | deejoe_ | where fd 3 is for /dev/console |
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| 16:42.52 | erudified | Hey, how do I enable the 'add printer' option in the CUPS web administration? |
| 16:43.07 | erudified | im looking in cupsd.conf and don't see the option |
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| 16:44.15 | erudified | where the hell does cupsd.conf get its username and pass information from? |
| 16:44.32 | erudified | its asking me for a password now and won't accept my login pass |
| 16:44.40 | erudified | let me guess, it has its own htpasswd file? |
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| 16:47.17 | BartVB | Does anyway have an idea where I can find some documenation about multicast routing? |
| 16:47.26 | thewhite | When I try startx as a regular user it won't start and .xsession-errors complains about permission denied. Where do I change permissios so my user can use X? |
| 16:47.35 | BartVB | The only docs that I can find are either from 1964 or are incomplete ;( |
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| 16:48.36 | BartVB | thewhite: premission denied on what? |
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| 16:49.11 | thewhite | BartVB: on open an xsession |
| 16:50.50 | loxley_ | BartVB: i guess cisco would be a good starting point |
| 16:50.52 | BartVB | it probably tries to create a file or something like that. What does it try to do? |
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| 16:51.18 | BartVB | loxety, they do have some decent documentation but I have debian box that does the routing, not a cisco box :) |
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| 16:52.31 | BartVB | at the moment it's a simple iptables firewall/NAT box. My provider supports multicast but it doesn't get routed over the debian box. Something like GateD etc could do the trick (according some 1976 info) but that project has been obsoleted eons ago |
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| 16:53.16 | di19026 | I'm totally new Linux & Debian. I can't get my screen resolution higher 800/600. I've tried installing the NVIDIA drivers but they just moan about some kernel path |
| 16:53.20 | windblown | That'll teach me to install the test branch, LOL |
| 16:53.30 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:53.30 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 16:54.41 | thewhite | My problem was that my /tmp for some reason was ro. Now all is working |
| 16:54.50 | BartVB | ok, great :) |
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| 16:56.09 | nadim | Hi - looking to download testing (ie. etch) - which kernel is it running (if I were to download an .iso) and where is a good place to download ? |
| 16:56.31 | azeem | nadim: download d-i etch beta2 |
| 16:56.46 | azeem | it's using 2.6.15 I think |
| 16:57.05 | azeem | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:58.36 | erudified | Could someone help me set up this HP Color Laserjet 2600n with CUPS? |
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| 16:58.58 | erudified | I've got foo2zjs installed, cups is installed, I can browse to cups from the network, but printconf fails to find the printer |
| 16:59.43 | erudified | http://pastebin.com/627125 this should definitely be usable |
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| 17:00.57 | nadim | azeem: URL ? |
| 17:01.04 | azeem | see above? |
| 17:01.18 | nadim | azeem: and which kernel is etch beta2 running - I have a SATA drive and would like to know if it will recognize it, etc. |
| 17:01.30 | azeem | I said it is 2.6.15 probably |
| 17:01.34 | azeem | I am not sure though |
| 17:01.50 | pinucset | azeem uname -r |
| 17:02.29 | azeem | pinucset: eh? |
| 17:02.34 | azeem | nadim: read http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
| 17:02.38 | abrotman | nadim: tell us the controller |
| 17:02.44 | azeem | and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345999;msg=75 |
| 17:03.14 | nadim | abrotman: its an intel 925X chipset |
| 17:03.21 | abrotman | uh right .. |
| 17:03.27 | abrotman | nadim: is this for a server or workstation ? |
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| 17:03.45 | nadim | abrotman: its a workstations/desktop |
| 17:03.56 | abrotman | nadim: do you know if linux supports that controller at all? |
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| 17:04.06 | abrotman | !tell nadim about d-i |
| 17:04.16 | nadim | abrotman: I have no idea - that's why I'm asking :-) |
| 17:04.22 | abrotman | oh .. good plan |
| 17:04.25 | hjubal | hi |
| 17:04.29 | aarkerio | Hi! How can I know wath packages I have installed on my system? |
| 17:04.35 | abrotman | aarkerio: dpkg -l |
| 17:04.40 | stew | !wikifaq aarkerio PackageManagement |
| 17:04.41 | dpkg | aarkerio: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:05.04 | aarkerio | thx! |
| 17:05.44 | jengelh | i need to recompile a package with different flags, where do I start? dpkg/apt? |
| 17:06.02 | stew | jengelh: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 17:06.19 | stew | jengelh: which packge? its not php4 is it? |
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| 17:06.23 | jengelh | gcc |
| 17:06.30 | Assid | heya |
| 17:06.39 | Assid | err.. whats the package to get rid of all X again? |
| 17:07.03 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:07.05 | stew | Assid: x11-common or xfree86-common depending on if its xorg or xfree |
| 17:07.13 | abrotman | probably rmeoving xlibs will do it |
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| 17:07.37 | jengelh | stew: it creates 32-bit objects by default, but I want it to produce 64-bit objects by default instead, because I do not feel like fixing 100 other packages that forgot to put $(LDFLAGS) in some of their Makefile rules (libelf is one) |
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| 17:12.48 | Azar | my PC has a CD-DVD , it works on CDs and I would like to test the DVD with a disk, /etc/fstabl shows /dev/cdrom but DVD won't play: I use VLC. what could be the problem? |
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| 17:13.04 | telpoch | i think the answer is a rotund YES but: do i have to compile my own kernel to get agpgart as a module? |
| 17:13.08 | Heroin | How do i install KDE on a debian net-install? apt-get kde ? |
| 17:13.13 | ovis | Hello if i wand to upgrade apache2 from 2.0.54 to 2.0.55 How can i do it with apt tools ? |
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| 17:13.48 | telpoch | Heroin: apt-cache search kde and look at what you want installed |
| 17:13.50 | cahoot | Azar: vlc looks for /dev/dvd? |
| 17:14.02 | nn- | telpoch: you do not need to compile a kernel in order to load new modules |
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| 17:14.20 | Azar | cahoot I looked in the options panel on vlc and it say /dev/cdrom |
| 17:14.26 | telpoch | nn-: i'm pretty sure the kernel image has agppart built in, not as module |
| 17:14.27 | pitillo | telpoch, try to make a find to see if you have you agpgart.ko module or if its in your kernel compiled |
| 17:14.40 | ovis | are there repositorys for the apt-get update list ? |
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| 17:15.01 | pitillo | telpoch, then it seems you need to recompile it... |
| 17:15.03 | nn- | pitillo: why find? what about modprobe -l? |
| 17:15.04 | Heroin | telpoch i can just install KDE i dont need X-server or something? |
| 17:15.30 | telpoch | Heroin: sure you do... try xorg |
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| 17:15.47 | nn- | Heroin: does kde depend on x-server? |
| 17:15.48 | pitillo | nn-, I prefer to go /lib/modules/my_kernel_version/kernel/drivers/drm and if is there... :) |
| 17:16.01 | Azar | cahoot the mount point is /cdrom I do not see any /dvd mount point |
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| 17:16.23 | stew | nn-: no it doesn't |
| 17:16.27 | telpoch | pitillo: i don't see a .ko, and dmessg reports using agpgart |
| 17:16.32 | stew | Heroin: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
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| 17:16.51 | pitillo | telpoch, then you need to recompile your kernel to get it like a module |
| 17:16.56 | nn- | stew: i was already wondering.. |
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| 17:17.07 | Heroin | thank you stew |
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| 17:17.16 | telpoch | pitillo: k... that's what i thought... wanted to save that step... |
| 17:17.20 | stew | nn-: kde needs an x-server, but the server doesn't have to be on the same machine as the one runniung kde |
| 17:17.31 | nn- | stew: that's what i meant |
| 17:17.35 | Heroin | well i rember it needs something to run :) |
| 17:17.40 | stouset | Anyone here tried the X from experimental? |
| 17:18.08 | stew | stouset: not even the people that use it :P |
| 17:18.27 | nn- | apropos drm.. did anyone already manage to compile drm for a ati rage lt pro? |
| 17:18.32 | Heroin | i tried ubuntu and hated gnome and then when i wanted KDE that went screwy... so in the end i decided debian was easier and more the way i wanted |
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| 17:18.37 | muszek | hi |
| 17:18.37 | pitillo | telpoch, I think there isn't another way... |
| 17:18.47 | stouset | stew: Apparently. Any time I run gdm, I get no log output from /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Running xinit directly just tells me server error. |
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| 17:19.07 | muszek | a quick question: is there a AMD64 flavor of Debian Stable? |
| 17:19.22 | Azar | I can live without DVD I just wanted to see if it works, maybe next year with Etch |
| 17:19.25 | stew | muszek: yes, an unofficial one, /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 17:19.44 | muszek | stew: thanks |
| 17:19.52 | stew | stouset: i assume you've checked the bts? |
| 17:20.20 | stouset | stew: Yeah, but X has several hundred reports against it. I did some greps and scanned the page, found nothing. |
| 17:20.31 | telpoch | pitillo: ty! |
| 17:20.58 | stouset | stew: 1117 bugs, actually. |
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| 17:22.58 | twiggz | hmm |
| 17:23.10 | twiggz | why would i be getting no sound from mplayer |
| 17:23.21 | twiggz | but when kde starts up the little music theme plays./. |
| 17:23.21 | Froogle | twiggz: What distribution of linux? |
| 17:23.29 | twiggz | debian sarge r1 |
| 17:23.30 | Heroin | twiggz mute button? |
| 17:23.39 | twiggz | wheres a mute button? |
| 17:23.40 | Froogle | twiggz: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils; alsaconf; |
| 17:23.53 | cahoot | twiggz: what sound output do you tell it to use? |
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| 17:24.55 | telpoch | it's been a while since i compiled a kernel in debian, i'm fammiliar with getting the source from kernel.org... but should i apt-get linux-tree.* or linux-source instead? |
| 17:24.55 | twiggz | hmm |
| 17:24.57 | cahoot | twiggz: might be artsd getting in the way |
| 17:25.00 | Assid | err i got a box which is ...err.. for a lack of a better word.. kuckoo??? |
| 17:25.09 | Assid | i get 2 different outputs on uptime |
| 17:25.26 | twiggz | i went to the control center and unchecked enable sound system, like i would on slackware, cahoot. |
| 17:25.29 | Assid | http://pastebin.com/627175 |
| 17:25.43 | cahoot | twiggz: ok |
| 17:26.01 | jor | telpoch: doesn't matter much where you get the source, as long as you build it with make-kpkg from kernel-package |
| 17:26.03 | twiggz | ok, alsa is installed and configured... |
| 17:26.04 | Assid | i run the uptime command 2 times.. one after the other |
| 17:26.04 | Froogle | !compile kernel |
| 17:26.05 | dpkg | from memory, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 17:26.07 | Froogle | telpoch |
| 17:26.22 | Eulex | Assid, different ooutput from uptime every time you run it? |
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| 17:26.26 | twiggz | mike@PsychoState:~$ alsamixer |
| 17:26.27 | twiggz | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 17:26.27 | twiggz | mike@PsychoState:~$ |
| 17:26.32 | Froogle | !make-kpkg |
| 17:26.33 | dpkg | well, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 17:26.33 | Assid | yep |
| 17:26.41 | telpoch | jor: if i apt-get the tree for example, can i do that? i just don't know excactly what i get... |
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| 17:27.05 | cahoot | twiggz: does /proc/asound/cards exist and list you card? |
| 17:27.07 | telpoch | Froogle: yea, that's what i use with the kernel.org stuff |
| 17:27.08 | Eulex | Assid, what kernel? |
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| 17:27.30 | telpoch | jor, Froogle: i'll just give it a try with linux-tree-2.6.16 |
| 17:27.31 | Assid | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 17:27.34 | J-Ph | hi all! |
| 17:27.39 | twiggz | mike@PsychoState:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:27.39 | twiggz | cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 17:27.39 | twiggz | mike@PsychoState:~$ |
| 17:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 817] by debhelper |
| 17:28.02 | twiggz | but lsmod shows my sound card driver.. |
| 17:28.06 | twiggz | ens1371 |
| 17:28.17 | nn- | why is my hd making such a noise when I am copying a bunch of files to an empty ext2 partition? Is is part of ext2's strategy not to store the files continuously? |
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| 17:28.35 | J-Ph | why after every reboot my gnome-mixer applet uses OSS, only after alsaconf it works (temporarely) |
| 17:28.36 | cahoot | twiggz: sounds like an OSS driver |
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| 17:29.01 | J-Ph | one alsaconf helped before but now... |
| 17:29.02 | cahoot | twiggz: alsa drivers have snd- prefix |
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| 17:29.33 | eth000 | hi |
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| 17:30.31 | twiggz | well, i was mistaken...ens1371 isnt in lsmod |
| 17:30.36 | twiggz | and modprobe doesnt find it |
| 17:30.42 | twiggz | PsychoState:~# modprobe ens1371 |
| 17:30.43 | twiggz | modprobe: Can't locate module ens1371 |
| 17:30.43 | twiggz | PsychoState:~# |
| 17:30.52 | twiggz | :| |
| 17:30.59 | nn- | did i already mention that i hate people who say "hello" on irc? |
| 17:31.11 | azeem | does it matter? |
| 17:31.19 | nn- | negative |
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| 17:31.34 | nn- | i just want you to know |
| 17:31.41 | cahoot | nn-: why? |
| 17:31.55 | nn- | cahoot: waste of time |
| 17:32.16 | nn- | cahoot: and it floods the channel |
| 17:32.20 | cahoot | nn-: sure |
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| 17:32.37 | jor | nn-: what about people with mention that they hate people who say hello in irc? |
| 17:32.42 | jor | s/with/who/ |
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| 17:32.45 | Heroin | debian installer doesnt get an IP adress from DHCP.. while it should any ideas? |
| 17:32.59 | jengelh | I hate you! |
| 17:33.04 | nn- | jor: damn those bastards.. |
| 17:33.15 | james__ | retry dhclient herion |
| 17:33.19 | twiggz | ok, this is a ppain in the ass. lol |
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| 17:33.38 | cahoot | twiggz: if you want alsa - run alsaconf |
| 17:33.40 | Heroin | i tried with eth0 and eth1 and i ended up doing manually entering everything but it doesnt work :S |
| 17:33.53 | twiggz | i have, twice. |
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| 17:34.30 | twiggz | it says no supported card found |
| 17:34.34 | twiggz | which is bullshit...lol. |
| 17:34.56 | Heroin | uh... |
| 17:34.56 | PhotoJim | twiggs: you might need to add a module... there may not be support for your card in the install kernel. |
| 17:35.17 | twiggz | then why does the little kde theme play |
| 17:35.22 | twiggz | when i login to kde? |
| 17:35.41 | PhotoJim | twiggz: I thought you were talking about a network card, nto a sound card. |
| 17:35.52 | cahoot | twiggz: do you know what alsa module your card should use? |
| 17:36.10 | twiggz | i do believe vector linux and slackware call it snd-ens1371 |
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| 17:36.27 | cahoot | twiggz: not snd-es1371? |
| 17:36.37 | twiggz | oh shit |
| 17:36.40 | twiggz | you could be right |
| 17:36.42 | twiggz | lol |
| 17:36.58 | twiggz | PsychoState:~# modprobe es1371 |
| 17:36.58 | twiggz | PsychoState:~# |
| 17:37.00 | twiggz | you are right |
| 17:37.06 | twiggz | lol |
| 17:37.43 | twiggz | alsa still isnt finding the card though |
| 17:37.46 | Azar | there is much more to hate about than a simple hello on irc when feelings are a miss |
| 17:37.55 | james__ | hello, i have issues with acx111 module, it was built outside the kernel tree using instructions on the site. The PCMCIA card isn't turning on. |
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| 17:38.22 | cahoot | twiggz: did you modprobe snd-es1371? |
| 17:38.38 | twiggz | PsychoState:~# modprobe snd-es1371 |
| 17:38.38 | twiggz | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-es1371 |
| 17:38.38 | twiggz | PsychoState:~# |
| 17:38.40 | valdyn | twiggz: that wasnt an alsa module |
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| 17:38.49 | Heroin | twiggz dont flood... |
| 17:40.31 | Heroin | but can some one help me set up internet with my debian install? |
| 17:40.35 | cahoot | twiggz: try here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=ens1371 |
| 17:40.36 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/lalapaste |
| 17:40.59 | james__ | Heroin, are you sure your router's DHCP server is working correctly ? |
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| 17:41.30 | Heroin | yes iam on my laptop and my sister is aswell, http://harm.kicks-ass.org <- if that works my server is online aswell |
| 17:41.37 | Heroin | so it should work |
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| 17:42.49 | nn- | ls |
| 17:43.09 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,GPG |
| 17:43.09 | dpkg | somebody said gpg was the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 17:43.12 | Kevin` | I always do ls instead of /n |
| 17:43.26 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,SIGNATURES |
| 17:43.26 | dpkg | i guess signatures is echo 'APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "yes";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 17:45.23 | james__ | how can i reinstall safely a module |
| 17:45.29 | StereoSkit | yes yes, dpkg is really helpfull :D |
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| 17:45.55 | Quibus | hi |
| 17:45.55 | Quibus | How do I make sure lm-sensors works on my etch system? |
| 17:46.16 | valdyn | Quibus: run sensors-detect ( if you dont have a thinkpad ) |
| 17:46.18 | Quibus | sensors says it can't access procfs/sysfs |
| 17:46.26 | james__ | is there a way to safely re-install a module ? |
| 17:46.32 | E0x | run it how root |
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| 17:46.53 | valdyn | james__: not really in general, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:47.01 | Quibus | valdyn: udev doesn't load the proper modules? |
| 17:47.11 | james__ | i would like to re compile acx111 module, diabling usb build |
| 17:47.12 | valdyn | Quibus: nope |
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| 17:47.25 | telpoch | ok, i don't know how to configure/build a kernel with sources obtained with apt-get... is it worth learning or just get from kernel.org |
| 17:47.39 | james__ | i have made a .deb package with my kernel, maybe i can re-install the kernel ? |
| 17:47.43 | valdyn | telpoch: it doesnt work any different than kernel.org kernels |
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| 17:48.08 | zenwryly | I'm looking to buy a portable usb powered scanner, but I've nevr done scanners under Linux so I don't know what's required. Do scanners support some sort of common interface that means I don't need kernel drivers? |
| 17:48.09 | abrotman | !tell Mnabil about away |
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| 17:48.33 | telpoch | valdyn: well, but a whole bunch of folders were created, that's cuz i did apt-get source linux-image-2.6.15-1-amd64-generic |
| 17:48.36 | Quibus | valdyn: thanks! |
| 17:48.43 | telpoch | valdyn: and now i'm lost |
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| 17:48.46 | cahoot | zenwryly: epsons are the most likely to work IIRC |
| 17:48.50 | Coweater | zenwryly: most scanner support is done by SANE, they have a list of supported devices |
| 17:48.54 | valdyn | telpoch: that wasnt getting kernel sources but getting sources for a debian package |
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| 17:49.01 | valdyn | telpoch: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 17:49.16 | telpoch | valdyn: right... i meant, make the package from it... |
| 17:49.24 | Coweater | zenwryly: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html |
| 17:49.31 | valdyn | zenwryly: you need a hardware driver in any case |
| 17:49.37 | james__ | will it be safe to re-install a module if i re-install the compiled & package kernel ? |
| 17:49.48 | james__ | *packaged |
| 17:50.04 | PhotoJim | james__: yes, as long as the module matches your kernel version, but you can build in support into the kernel for most devices, and avoid the need for modules. |
| 17:50.05 | zenwryly | cahoot, Coweater, valdyn: Great! THanks |
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| 17:50.47 | zenwryly | Mark Graham <mgraham@mail.ivillage.com> writes: |
| 17:50.47 | zenwryly | > I will check with Zettai about standard web-logs. |
| 17:50.47 | zenwryly | > |
| 17:50.47 | zenwryly | > - Mark |
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| 17:52.19 | james__ | PhotoJim, i don't understand : the module matches the kernel, the module is supported by kernels > 2.6.10, the kernel i have compiled & packaged is 2.6.16 |
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| 17:52.56 | PhotoJim | james__: then you should be good, but again, if you put support for the device in question into your newly built kernel, you won't need a module. |
| 17:53.11 | valdyn | james__: binary modules only ever are supposed to used with just the kernel they were compiled against |
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| 17:53.35 | telpoch | how can i get the default debian configuration for a kernel ( i want to recompile starting off with what my current image has) |
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| 17:54.11 | telpoch | i used to find it i believe in /initrd |
| 17:54.11 | valdyn | telpoch: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:54.13 | cureless | telpoch: it's in /boot |
| 17:54.19 | telpoch | ah! |
| 17:54.23 | james__ | even building it inside the kernel tree following instructions on http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/ACX, it will make a module |
| 17:54.30 | telpoch | valdyn: cureless TY! |
| 17:54.38 | valdyn | james__: why dont you use the debian packages? |
| 17:54.46 | Aronofsky | hi i got a question , when you do aptitude purge <package>, only the main package is purged , the dependencies are only uninstall , is there a way to purge everything , main package and deps ? |
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| 17:55.04 | valdyn | james__: or just the modules that are part of your kernel already? |
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| 17:55.06 | james__ | i can't find acx debian package |
| 17:55.22 | valdyn | james__: then learn to search ( /msg dpkg search ) |
| 17:55.31 | james__ | i tryed apt-cache search acx |
| 17:55.59 | valdyn | !info acx100-source sid |
| 17:56.01 | valdyn | !info acx100-source sarge |
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| 17:56.02 | dpkg | acx100-source: (ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers source), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 20060215-1 (sid), Packaged size: 215 kB, Installed size: 288 kB |
| 17:56.07 | dpkg | acx100-source: (ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers source), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 0.2.0pre8+52-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 340 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 17:56.14 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 17:56.15 | dpkg | hmm... contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
| 17:56.39 | telpoch | valdyn: is menuconfig still functional (it's been years since i used this) |
| 17:57.05 | valdyn | telpoch: yes |
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| 17:57.26 | james__ | thank you |
| 17:57.45 | telpoch | valdyn: it's cuz i get this error: make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 17:57.54 | valdyn | !b-e telpoch |
| 17:57.55 | dpkg | telpoch: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 17:58.11 | valdyn | !wayttcak |
| 17:58.30 | telpoch | valdyn: build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 17:59.05 | valdyn | telpoch: tell the complete error and the command you issued that brought that error |
| 17:59.21 | stew | is that from xconfig? |
| 17:59.24 | telpoch | valdyn: make menuconfig |
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| 17:59.52 | stew | telpoch: install libncurses5-dev |
| 18:00.38 | stouset | Well that's amusing. |
| 18:00.39 | AlienX | any known issues with the unstable tree as per updating? I only seem to be getting one broken package for the last week as far as updates go. |
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| 18:00.39 | james__ | i beleive i need to uninstall the module since i am about to install the package ? |
| 18:00.39 | stouset | GNOME's dialog for changing the resolution tells me my monitor is running at 1533Hz. |
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| 18:00.48 | stew | stouset: 1337Hz? |
| 18:00.54 | telpoch | stew: no, that' must be it... (damn i knew that, but since it's been years, thought it had changed) |
| 18:00.57 | telpoch | stew: ty! |
| 18:01.09 | Heroin | lol |
| 18:01.19 | stew | AlienX: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:01.29 | AlienX | stew, cheers |
| 18:01.54 | Aronofsky | anyone can tell me ? when you do aptitude purge <package>, only the main package is purged , the dependencies are only uninstall , is there a way to purge everything , main package and deps ? |
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| 18:02.04 | E-bola | Can somebody sugest a tool to backup linux servers "completely" as in disaster recovery? |
| 18:02.15 | stew | AlienX: and http://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions |
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| 18:02.30 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 18:02.47 | Skiver | hi..where can i check my font config ? |
| 18:02.57 | james__ | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://debian.mines.inpl-nancy.fr testing/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.mines.inpl-nancy.fr_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:03.07 | yoo | i have a message error when i do a travan tape backup |
| 18:03.08 | yoo | Can't read mode page. Are you sure you are root? |
| 18:03.15 | yoo | But i'm root |
| 18:03.20 | yoo | so why this message |
| 18:03.21 | yoo | ? |
| 18:03.21 | zenwryly | does anyone know of a good portable usb powered scanner supported by SANE (or anything else under linux)? |
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| 18:03.45 | zenwryly | (and sorry about the paste mistake) |
| 18:03.55 | valdyn | zenwryly: its not really sane that supports your scanner ( or not ), its the kernel |
| 18:04.06 | stew | james__: apt-get update |
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| 18:04.37 | james__ | this is what the update returns |
| 18:04.39 | james__ | stew |
| 18:04.47 | zenwryly | valdyn: cool, I'm just trying to figure out how to find a combination of portable usb powered *and* linux support |
| 18:04.49 | stouset | stew: :) |
| 18:04.55 | zenwryly | valdyn: not so easy to search on |
| 18:05.05 | zenwryly | was hoping to get some human help :) |
| 18:05.28 | stew | james__: don't paste here, use a pastebin, but whatever you are getting i'm going to guess it's a broken mirror |
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| 18:05.46 | js_ | james__: comment out the source from /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update again |
| 18:05.51 | Aronofsky | cmon its a silly question , can anybody help me about it ? |
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| 18:06.17 | stew | james__: yeah, then switch mirrors |
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| 18:07.58 | bwlang | I just updated horde and kronolith's cron started emitting this unhelpful warning... anybody know where this is coming from? PHP Warning: mime_magic: type regexBEGIN[[:space:]]*[{]application/x-awk invalid in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 18:09.21 | abrotman | bwlang: updated them from what to waht? |
| 18:10.06 | james__ | how can i find repository servers please ? |
| 18:10.08 | cahoot | zenwryly: if you have some idea about maker and model this surely must be of help:http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html |
| 18:10.09 | bwlang | abrotman: just horde... i don't know the old version - the new one is 3.0.9-3 |
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| 18:10.46 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 18:10.47 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 18:11.05 | abrotman | bwlang: i meant .. are these debian packages from sid? etch? sarge? tarballs from horde.org ? |
| 18:11.31 | bwlang | abrotman: debs... from etch via apt-get update |
| 18:11.37 | abrotman | and did you check the bts? |
| 18:11.57 | james__ | thank you |
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| 18:12.10 | Quibus | hi again |
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| 18:12.38 | Azar | Aronofsky: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/#contents |
| 18:12.46 | Quibus | I just installed etch, and after saving the setup of GNOME, and logging out and in, the GNOME splash screen keeps 'hanging', i.e., login is normal, but the splash screen doesn't go away.... Does that sound familiar? |
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| 18:12.57 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:12.57 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 18:14.26 | bwlang | abrotman: well... yes - but i didn't see anything intersting... I'm reading more closely now - are you aware of a bug causing this issue? |
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| 18:15.26 | flecxie | hey all, i have a server which generates a kernel error every few days (today: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 4f0fc74f). i assume it's the memory, but would there be any way to be sure? (it's a 2 hour drive, so I want to bring the right hw ;)) |
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| 18:15.47 | abrotman | bwlang: no .. i do'nt run etch on servers :) |
| 18:16.10 | RichiH | flecxie: can you attach a remote console to the thing? |
| 18:16.16 | RichiH | if yes, memtest86 |
| 18:16.22 | flecxie | nope :/ |
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| 18:17.03 | RichiH | flecxie: then there is no good way :/ |
| 18:17.14 | flecxie | can I paste the oops somewhere, maybe that could be clearer? |
| 18:17.24 | RichiH | !paste |
| 18:17.24 | sussudio | !paste |
| 18:17.24 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:17.33 | flecxie | tnx :) |
| 18:18.27 | flecxie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2246 |
| 18:18.32 | crash_override | ciaddio proco maiale |
| 18:18.50 | RichiH | !it |
| 18:18.50 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 18:19.37 | crash_override | porco ido stronzetto |
| 18:20.51 | abrotman | flecxie: what's the kernel version? |
| 18:20.51 | RichiH | flecxie: another possibility is that the programn tries to access a nonexistant page |
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| 18:20.59 | RichiH | crash_override: please stop |
| 18:21.22 | crash_override | salijasiljalijsidljasljdalifliashfukasdhkughdksdhgòshklusdhkushguksghusd |
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| 18:21.49 | flecxie | abrotman: 2.6.16, but had same problem with 2.6.8 |
| 18:21.51 | abrotman | stupid kids who think "Hackers" is cool :) |
| 18:22.02 | abrotman | flecxie: is it SMP ? |
| 18:22.46 | flecxie | RichiH: would this generate an oops? there are some uml's running, which are somewhat buggy, but that's in userspace |
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| 18:23.13 | flecxie | abrotman: celeron cpu |
| 18:23.16 | RichiH | flecxie: that, i do not know :) - just brainstorming :) |
| 18:23.21 | abrotman | flecxie: only one ? |
| 18:23.29 | flecxie | abrotman: jep |
| 18:23.34 | flecxie | (yes) |
| 18:23.37 | abrotman | john potter? |
| 18:23.57 | nn- | flecxie: have you already searched the syslog for mce messages? |
| 18:23.58 | flecxie | ;-) |
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| 18:24.48 | flecxie | nn-: nope, grep mce /var/log/syslog ? or ... :) |
| 18:24.58 | user__ | !mplayer |
| 18:25.18 | user__ | what hapenned to bot? |
| 18:25.33 | azeem | it only answers on factoids it actually knows |
| 18:25.35 | azeem | !test |
| 18:25.40 | azeem | or it is gone |
| 18:25.40 | user__ | !java |
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| 18:25.55 | azeem | dondelelcaro: dpkg is down |
| 18:26.00 | user__ | i think it doesn't anwser at all |
| 18:26.07 | azeem | indeed |
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| 18:26.15 | nn- | flecxie: MCE not mce |
| 18:26.27 | abrotman | BADGERS! |
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| 18:26.49 | Google_Firefox | http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/index5.htm ãôãôï ôééøôå÷ñ äèåá áéåúø |
| 18:26.50 | flecxie | nn-: nothing in syslog about MCE |
| 18:26.51 | Google_Firefox | instruction Google Adsense--> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/en.htm Download Firefox® --> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox.htm |
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| 18:26.56 | Google_Firefox | instruction Google Adsense--> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/en.htm Download Firefox® --> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox.htm |
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| 18:27.01 | Azar | ban bot |
| 18:27.04 | mei | oi eu sou brasileiro tenho 24 anos esta é a primeira vez que eu entro nesta sala ok |
| 18:27.16 | stew | azeem: kill G_F^^^ |
| 18:27.16 | stew | azeem: he was spmming here yesterday |
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| 18:27.19 | Azar | mei: /j #debian-br |
| 18:27.27 | user__ | anyway, does anyone know if there are any debian pacakges for mplayerxp? |
| 18:27.43 | wols_ | user__: only if marillat has them I guess |
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| 18:28.16 | nn- | whatis mplayerxp? |
| 18:28.22 | tarzeau | abrotman man man! |
| 18:28.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
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| 18:28.40 | tarzeau | i have AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ |
| 18:28.41 | devazion | Hi, in what file can I manually edit my routing tables? |
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| 18:28.48 | mei | oi gata vc fala minha lingua? |
| 18:28.56 | tarzeau | should i take Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8 (MK8) or Athlon/Duron/K7 (MK7) in linux kernel config? |
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| 18:29.09 | Azar | mei: /j #debian-br for brasil |
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| 18:29.17 | tarzeau | devazion: you can't. you'll write your own. say autoexec.bat or route or whatever |
| 18:29.19 | stew | azeem: thanks |
| 18:29.27 | azeem | !hi |
| 18:29.27 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
| 18:29.32 | azeem | wb |
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| 18:29.42 | tarzeau | user__: tried the upstream tarball? it's got no debian/*? |
| 18:29.48 | devazion | tarzeau: i was trying out the route command but i am having some problems with the input output of it so i wanted to edit manually =/ |
| 18:29.49 | hid3 | tarzeau: perhaps k8 |
| 18:30.03 | tarzeau | devazion: just use route? |
| 18:30.05 | user__ | tarzeau, it dons't compile |
| 18:30.05 | tarzeau | devazion: man route? |
| 18:30.15 | tarzeau | user__: build log? |
| 18:30.22 | tarzeau | hid3: perhaps? |
| 18:30.22 | devazion | tarzeau: no manpages on the install cd mate :) i'll check out the net ones instead |
| 18:30.25 | user__ | gcc 4.0 isn't supported, thats probably the problem |
| 18:30.35 | tarzeau | devazion: you can't do that later, when it's installed? |
| 18:30.37 | wols_ | tarzeau: depends on your cpu of course? |
| 18:30.38 | hid3 | tarzeau: well, not perhaps but for sure. |
| 18:30.43 | Azar | tarzeau: I gave up on DVD my Sarge will not do |
| 18:30.46 | tarzeau | devazion: you don't fuck your date on the first meeting, do you? |
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| 18:30.56 | tarzeau | wols_: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ |
| 18:31.09 | tarzeau | Azar: i gave up on all removable media, 5 years ago :) |
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| 18:31.22 | wols_ | K8 then of course. fat lot it will help you :) |
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| 18:31.37 | Azar | tarzeau it was just for kicks to brag to friends, not that I need it |
| 18:31.45 | wols_ | tarzeau: are you drunk? yu talk.... strange stuff. even more than usual |
| 18:31.50 | Nattlegend | Hey i need some help |
| 18:31.56 | devazion | tarzeau: since it's net install, nope :) not later |
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| 18:32.02 | devazion | tarzeau: i need files ^^ |
| 18:32.15 | Nattlegend | Are Debian on swedish when i install it ??? |
| 18:32.17 | tarzeau | Nattlegend: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 18:32.23 | tarzeau | !se |
| 18:32.23 | dpkg | methinks se is Anslut till #debian.se för att snacka svenska, skriv /join debian.se |
| 18:32.23 | Nattlegend | kk |
| 18:32.32 | valdyn | devazion: why would you need to manually edit your routig table using netinstall? |
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| 18:32.49 | user__ | i'll try to install gcc 3.4 |
| 18:32.49 | devazion | valdyn: since my ppc install (etch) didnt fix it for me |
| 18:32.51 | user__ | ha! |
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| 18:33.04 | KerPlunk | What is the link to rip video from google video? |
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| 18:34.04 | valdyn | devazion: whats that installer doing wrong? not asking your for ip and gateway? |
| 18:34.33 | user__ | is there any tool for switching various gcc versions? |
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| 18:34.56 | Nattlegend | Can i have swedish language in Debian ? |
| 18:35.00 | user__ | now i've two versions installed and i would like to use 3.x |
| 18:35.08 | valdyn | user__: rm,ln and environment variables |
| 18:35.10 | tarzeau | Nattlegend: yes you can |
| 18:35.14 | cureless | user__: what do you want to switch? just use gcc-xxx |
| 18:35.18 | Nattlegend | oki Thx |
| 18:35.30 | Web-Kanotix251 | hey |
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| 18:35.42 | Web-Kanotix251 | who loves kanotix like me? |
| 18:36.05 | tarzeau | Web-Kanotix251: i hate it |
| 18:36.06 | valdyn | Web-Kanotix251: kanotix is off topic, as are polls |
| 18:36.12 | cureless | Web-Kanotix251: the people at #kanotix |
| 18:36.48 | Web-Kanotix251 | why are you hating it and the people there...i wanna understand |
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| 18:37.01 | valdyn | Web-Kanotix251: its OFF TOPIC |
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| 18:37.04 | eeyore- | morning/noon/night |
| 18:37.08 | devazion | valdyn: yes, it asks for ip and stuff, i get it all from dhcp server np. though i dont get the gateway routes |
| 18:37.10 | user__ | ah, nvm there is an configure option --cc= |
| 18:37.24 | valdyn | devazion: so your dhcp server is broken.. |
| 18:37.32 | bwlang | i've traced my error message back to a line in magic.mime... it turns out that the horde update exposed a problem with php in general - i think it parses magic.mime and fails on this line - is the line bad or is php broken? 0 regex BEGIN[[:space:]]*[{] application/x-awk |
| 18:37.39 | cureless | Web-Kanotix251: this is not a kanotix channel. We don't talk about Apple II es either |
| 18:37.40 | user__ | hopefuly that will do |
| 18:37.40 | tarzeau | Web-Kanotix251: do you talk about your sex fantasy with the milkman? |
| 18:37.48 | valdyn | devazion: route del default && route add default <gatewayip> |
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| 18:37.59 | tarzeau | cureless: unless you port debian onto it |
| 18:37.59 | azeem | tarzeau: please don't feed the troll |
| 18:38.06 | Web-Kanotix251 | valdyn: it is based on debian, so it's not a off topic i guess |
| 18:38.10 | devazion | valdyn: no my dhcp works fine (this pc uses it too) :) |
| 18:38.13 | cureless | tarzeau: don't nitpick |
| 18:38.17 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 18:38.17 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:38.18 | tarzeau | hid3: ok i'll try it |
| 18:38.19 | devazion | valdyn: I'm working on the route config atm... |
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| 18:38.22 | azeem | Web-Kanotix251: it is off topic, there is #kanotix for it |
| 18:38.38 | valdyn | devazion: there's nothing else to configure |
| 18:39.04 | bwlang | it is the only line in mime.magic that contains the word "regex"... |
| 18:39.08 | valdyn | devazion: ( unless you have no IP either, but you said you had one.. ) |
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| 18:39.29 | cureless | devazion: why do you need to configure routes? |
| 18:39.40 | Web-Kanotix251 | tarzeau: actually i don't understand your unintelligent answer. i asked something rational and you are answering shit like that? |
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| 18:39.46 | tarzeau | time frequency for kernel, 100hz was default , right? |
| 18:39.49 | valdyn | devazion: i think you are probably confused, debians dhcp isnt any different than windows dhcp or whatever dhcp |
| 18:40.09 | tarzeau | Web-Kanotix251: FUCK OFF, i was giving a good example |
| 18:40.26 | eeyore- | calm down, boys :-) |
| 18:40.36 | tarzeau | eeyore-: that's an absolute stupid idot |
| 18:40.42 | valdyn | !jargon off topic |
| 18:40.43 | azeem | tarzeau: /ignore |
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| 18:40.51 | valdyn | !dict off topic |
| 18:40.53 | dpkg | could not find definition for off topic |
| 18:40.57 | Web-Kanotix251 | tarzeau: the one who gets angry has already lost. it's finished between us ;) |
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| 18:41.06 | gilianima | hi, I have got an two images, one is called foo.PNG and another called bar.TIF, both are "Macintosh BinHex", I can I display them on Linux ? |
| 18:41.13 | flecxie | is there any way you could test memory while running linux (with some kernel module for example)? tnx |
| 18:41.17 | nn- | tarzeau: sure it wasn't 250hz? |
| 18:41.25 | tarzeau | gilianima: no, when file says it's not png/tiff it's not |
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| 18:41.27 | eeyore- | gilianima: sure, you have to strip the first few bytes of macbinary header off |
| 18:41.34 | flecxie | (server is remote, so i can't run memtest86) |
| 18:41.35 | tarzeau | gilianima: you'll want to unbinhex macintosh it first |
| 18:41.38 | cureless | flecxie: not really, use memtest |
| 18:41.38 | eeyore- | gilianima: i think it's 250 bytes, not sure. let me see |
| 18:41.44 | wols_ | gilianima: there is no "macintosh binhex" encoded PNGs |
| 18:41.46 | eeyore- | gilianima: wait, binhex? or macbinary? |
| 18:41.50 | valdyn | gilianima: they are png and tif, that macintosh binhex is merely telling you that its not asci data |
| 18:41.55 | tarzeau | nn-: no that's why i ask |
| 18:42.01 | wols_ | un-binhex them (binhex is a shitty mac packre) and then display them |
| 18:42.03 | user__ | damn, another error |
| 18:42.05 | nn- | tarzeau: 250 iirc.. |
| 18:42.06 | tarzeau | nn-: there's also 1000 hz. i think it was 100 by for a long time |
| 18:42.09 | cureless | flecxie: I guess you could look around to see if there is a module written for memory testing, but it's going to be hard |
| 18:42.12 | tarzeau | nn-: damn... i'll ask ##linux then |
| 18:42.25 | azeem | tarzeau: they made it variable |
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| 18:42.26 | user__ | have anyone compiled mplayerxp succesfuly on debian? |
| 18:42.26 | flecxie | cureless: ok, tnx :) |
| 18:42.32 | submarineshaun | hi. Im having big problems with ALSA and from everything ive read, the only way to fix is to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.9 or above. How do I do this using debian. I'm running a clean install of Sarge 31r1 and Kernel 2.6.8 |
| 18:42.33 | cureless | flecxie: chances are it can't really test all the memory since the kernel can't move parts of things and can't start just testing memory it's using. |
| 18:42.35 | gilianima | eeyore-: i don't know, in evolution (i got it by email), it's recognized as "Macintosh BinHex" |
| 18:42.35 | azeem | I think 100HZ was the default for a long time, at least on i386 |
| 18:42.39 | valdyn | flecxie: there's memtest for linux too |
| 18:42.56 | wols_ | flecxie: search for memtest86 with apt |
| 18:43.05 | tarzeau | azeem: one sound application i have don't work with 250 |
| 18:43.07 | cureless | flecxie: but once again, it's open source and people have amazing ideas, maybe somebody has figured out how to switch out of protected mode and test. |
| 18:43.08 | valdyn | flecxie: im not talking about memtest86 |
| 18:43.09 | gilianima | eeyore-: i tried the tools in macutils, but none works |
| 18:43.16 | azeem | tarzeau: sounds like a bug |
| 18:43.18 | tarzeau | azeem: thanks |
| 18:43.21 | tarzeau | azeem: yes it is a bug |
| 18:43.23 | stew | submarineshaun: what sound card / driver are you using? |
| 18:43.26 | cureless | wols_: he was asking if he could do it remotely. |
| 18:43.30 | tarzeau | azeem: but i want the application to work now |
| 18:43.34 | Azar | submarineshaun: unless you have an unheard of yet audio card, alsa works fine with Debian Sarge 3.1 and a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 18:43.34 | stew | submarineshaun: and exactly what problems are you having? |
| 18:43.43 | flecxie | valdyn: which packet? |
| 18:43.50 | valdyn | !info memtest |
| 18:43.54 | flecxie | valdyn: memtester ? |
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| 18:44.03 | stew | Azar: unheard of, like newer audigy cards? |
| 18:44.09 | valdyn | flecxie: yea i guess |
| 18:44.13 | submarineshaun | stew: its a realtek ALC 250, using snd_atiixp |
| 18:44.13 | wols_ | cureless: he certainly can't switch out of protected mode. memtest cannot work unless it's the ONLY program running and no other at all. cause it needs to test all ram, usually it does this by loading itself in videoram and executing from there |
| 18:44.14 | Azar | stew, something like that |
| 18:44.20 | bwlang | it's a bug in libmagic1... already filed. |
| 18:44.23 | flecxie | valdyn: ok, will try, tnx :) |
| 18:44.31 | wols_ | which is why memtest always needs to run alone |
| 18:44.42 | cureless | flecxie: that doesn't test the whole memory. |
| 18:44.44 | valdyn | flecxie: it cant test _all_ ram as wols_ correctly said, but most of it |
| 18:44.46 | stew | submarineshaun: what problems are you having? if you really want to upgrade, there are newer kernels for sarge on backports.org |
| 18:45.05 | eeyore- | gilianima: one sec |
| 18:45.14 | nn- | tarzeau: you are correct, it was 100 |
| 18:45.16 | flecxie | I'll have a look, thanks you guys! |
| 18:45.36 | submarineshaun | stew: attaching to mixer hw:0 failed: No such device |
| 18:45.45 | cureless | wols_: that was my point using it on a running linux kernel |
| 18:45.51 | eeyore- | gilianima: i'm looking to see what's in the macutils package |
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| 18:46.12 | gilianima | eeyore-: thanks... |
| 18:46.21 | eeyore- | gilianima: when you say it "doesn't work", what do you mean? |
| 18:46.25 | submarineshaun | first if many errors, but ive spend about 2 hours trying to fix, and the unnamous verdict form google is uograde the kernel, unless im missing something |
| 18:46.26 | Azar | submarineshaun: there are also minor details to take care of besides alsainstallation and configuration: your username should be in the audio group, alsamixer levels unmuted, and alsa restarted, your oss modules replaced by alsa ones...etc |
| 18:46.28 | submarineshaun | of* |
| 18:46.48 | stew | submarineshaun: that's after you modprobe snd-atiixp, right? you don't also have an oss driver loaded, do you? are there any messages in dmesg when you modprobe the driver? |
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| 18:47.11 | gilianima | eeyore-: it's not recognized as an image in gimp for example |
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| 18:47.34 | stew | submarineshaun: alsamixer gave you that error? |
| 18:47.43 | submarineshaun | no; xmms did |
| 18:47.48 | submarineshaun | lemme check dmesg |
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| 18:48.05 | Azar | xmms needs to be told what plugin to use: alsa instead of oss |
| 18:48.11 | submarineshaun | I have |
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| 18:48.39 | eeyore- | gilianima: what did you *do* to the file *before* you open it in gimp? |
| 18:49.00 | submarineshaun | but yes, alsamixer is also giving that error |
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| 18:49.27 | submarineshaun | actully, slightly diffrent: |
| 18:49.39 | Web-Kanotix251 | so debian is a completely different distribution compared to others "debian based" ones? i always heard that the distris contribute back to debian with the packages. Isn |
| 18:49.44 | Web-Kanotix251 | 't that rue? |
| 18:49.55 | TipTop | is it possible to install and remove packages in the same dpkg command? (i need that because of dependancy stuff) |
| 18:49.59 | submarineshaun | function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 18:50.22 | eeyore- | Web-Kanotix251: think of it like a car. for example, many GM cars will share the same chassis, engine, etc., but they have different trims, different options, right? |
| 18:50.30 | gilianima | eeyore-: i made an "export to image" in a software on a mac, it produced an image (png, bmp, tiff...) which is readable on the mac, then I sent it by mail to my computer which is on linux |
| 18:50.30 | eeyore- | Web-Kanotix251: so, is Hummer the same as a Taho? |
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| 18:50.55 | eeyore- | Web-Kanotix251: after all, a Hummer uses the same chassis as a Taho, right? so they must be the same car, right? |
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| 18:51.11 | submarineshaun | from dmesg: ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13 |
| 18:51.16 | Web-Kanotix251 | eeyore-: no it isn't but the functionality is the same, it's just a choose of personal taste |
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| 18:51.38 | eeyore- | Web-Kanotix251: so if you have a Hummer problem, does it also imply that it's also a Taho problem? |
| 18:51.58 | macsim | how can I be sure my swap works ? |
| 18:51.59 | eeyore- | Web-Kanotix251: say, your hummer door knob fell off, does a taho's door knob also have the same problem? |
| 18:52.02 | rares000 | ERROR! sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver |
| 18:52.02 | rares000 | libGL warning: 3D driver returned no fbconfigs. |
| 18:52.02 | rares000 | libGL error: InitDriver failed |
| 18:52.03 | rares000 | libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering |
| 18:52.03 | `Rage | Hey, I was wondering if anyone's having issues with "linux-image-2.6.16-1-k7" in sid, like this: http://pastebin.com/627343 , or, if I'm just doing something stupid... |
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| 18:52.09 | cureless | Web-Kanotix251: what's the hard part to understand? Kanotix _changes_ debian. We don't support those changes. Ask the kanotix people or install debian and ask us. |
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| 18:52.12 | submarineshaun | perhaps i should reinstall and start configuration from stratch. any pointers to detailed install instructions for sarge? |
| 18:52.12 | Web-Kanotix251 | eeyore-: absolutely not |
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| 18:52.25 | submarineshaun | installing alsa, i mean |
| 18:52.26 | eeyore- | Web-Kanotix251: right, so why should debian be "just like" kanotix? |
| 18:52.45 | wols_ | eeyore-: ignore him. he's an idiot |
| 18:52.51 | Skiver | hi |
| 18:52.51 | Web-Kanotix251 | eeyore-: i think of two different sons from the same father |
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| 18:53.00 | hid3 | How can I format a floppy diskette to some kind of unix file system? |
| 18:53.01 | Web-Kanotix251 | cureless: ok u r right |
| 18:53.02 | wols_ | !not debian |
| 18:53.02 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:53.11 | eeyore- | gilianima: right, and once you receive the file in linux, what do you do to it? |
| 18:53.18 | tarzeau | hid3: mkfs.ext2 ? |
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| 18:53.27 | tarzeau | hid3: i'd run superformat on it first though |
| 18:53.35 | hid3 | thanks, will try |
| 18:53.49 | rares000 | ERROR! sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver libGL warning: 3D driver returned no fbconfigs.libGL error: InitDriver failedbGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering |
| 18:53.54 | Skiver | my foreign texts were displaying nicely before an upgrade, now all are showing in boxes. anything i can do to change it back ?? |
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| 18:54.00 | rares000 | why do I get that |
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| 18:54.18 | Web-Kanotix251 | eeyore-: but i just need a kind of evaluation if i want a hummer or a taho..i don't see the differences yet to be able to choose one of these. u understnad me? |
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| 18:54.21 | eeyore- | hid3: "some kind of unix"? :-) |
| 18:54.26 | cureless | Web-Kanotix251: in the case of the 2 sons, debian is the father. And we can't really answer why the kids do what they do. |
| 18:54.27 | wols_ | Skiver: do those text need a foreign language font? if so, probably that font is not working properly anymore |
| 18:54.44 | stew | Web-Kanotix251: you are off topic here, if you want to compare distros please go to ##linux |
| 18:55.05 | hid3 | eeyore-: I'm a newbie to floppy disks on linux ;) |
| 18:55.06 | Web-Kanotix251 | okay |
| 18:55.08 | weasel00 | cureless : would debian be like abraham and sacrifice his sons? =) |
| 18:55.12 | Web-Kanotix251 | anyway thanks to all |
| 18:55.14 | cureless | Web-Kanotix251: if you're asking which one is best, it's obvious what people in #debian are going to answer. |
| 18:55.15 | rares000 | glxgears goes fast for 3 seconds and then I get the error (does glxgears loop and fail to release and reacquire gl support |
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| 18:55.25 | eeyore- | hid3: linux and floppies are not hard. it's the other unixes that could be hard. |
| 18:55.27 | Skiver | wols : my web browser still using that TTF for displaying chinese text. |
| 18:55.54 | eeyore- | rares000: xgl? |
| 18:55.54 | wols_ | Skiver: then it's whatever lib the other programs use that seems to be fucked up |
| 18:56.17 | cureless | weasel00: maybe debian should just stop having sex and producing offspring. |
| 18:56.18 | rares000 | weasel the HumVee II has Chevy Tahoe chassis you will not get the same insurance rate for the HumVee as for the Tahoe |
| 18:56.22 | `Rage | anyone seen this before when upgrading kernels? /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs-kpkg: line 55: supported_host_version: unbound variable |
| 18:56.47 | wols_ | cureless: no you got me curious: who's the lucky woman to have sex with debian? (or maybe man) |
| 18:56.57 | Skiver | guys, is local.conf in /etc/fonts/ no longer in use ?? |
| 18:56.59 | rares000 | 'Rage revert back to the previous version of initramfstools install the kernel and then upgrade initramfs-tools |
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| 18:57.11 | `Rage | rares000: will try, thanks :) |
| 18:57.32 | eeyore- | rares000: are you running xgl or aiglx? |
| 18:57.32 | rares000 | debian is a eunuch |
| 18:57.37 | rares000 | nope |
| 18:57.39 | cureless | wols_: dunno, but there must be multiple since ubuntu, kanotix, mepis, etc (including ones we don't know about) don't look like each other. |
| 18:57.44 | eeyore- | rares000: then nevermind :-) |
| 18:57.53 | eeyore- | rares000: can't help you with the symptoms |
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| 18:57.57 | wols_ | submarineshaun: !sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 18:58.17 | wols_ | submarineshaun: alternatively you probably could just install a kernel from etch. or compile a custom one |
| 18:58.19 | Assid | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 18:58.19 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.15 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
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| 18:58.31 | eeyore- | as if "based on debian" is not bad enough, now there are "based on gentoo" distros, too ;-) |
| 18:58.42 | rares000 | uh |
| 18:58.47 | gilianima | eeyore-: it works with uudeview... |
| 18:58.50 | rares000 | ubuntoo? |
| 18:59.01 | ken | does anyone here have much experience with RAID 5 + SATA drives + GRUB + Debian ? |
| 18:59.14 | rares000 | gentotix? |
| 18:59.20 | eeyore- | ken: grub doesn't do software raid5 boot |
| 18:59.26 | wols_ | !tell ken about anyone |
| 18:59.26 | eeyore- | ken: only raid0/1 |
| 18:59.27 | rredd4 | need to upgrade or reinstall alsa driver, do not see alsa-driver in cache search. How do I upgrade driver or reinstall it? |
| 18:59.29 | buht-w | hey all, need some quick security help here... i have a machine on our LAN in a building of a few hundred and i need to find out either where it is or who is logged into it.... ive tried tools from sysinternals and some other tools from security friday but none have worked... a simple nmap has shown me its a fujitsu NIC... so i know its not one of our dell's |
| 18:59.31 | rares000 | fedora scare |
| 18:59.41 | rredd4 | this is for sarge |
| 18:59.43 | etorix | at least ian murdock doesnt work fot M$ |
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| 18:59.52 | buht-w | are there any tools in linux i can apt-get and run to help find or identify maybe the username logged in or anything? i need to find the pc |
| 18:59.55 | cureless | buht-w: where it is?? |
| 18:59.58 | eeyore- | gentoo -> epios -> kororaa, and possibly others |
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| 19:00.00 | wols_ | buht-w: is that box running debian? |
| 19:00.07 | buht-w | its got a SQL exploit |
| 19:00.08 | rares000 | kororaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 19:00.10 | eeyore- | buht-w: "w" |
| 19:00.12 | wols_ | buht-w: and even then: what are we supposed to do? |
| 19:00.15 | etorix | unlike the gentoo-founder |
| 19:00.20 | buht-w | it needs to be disconnected form the network |
| 19:00.29 | wols_ | rares000: alsa is part of the kernel now |
| 19:00.31 | buht-w | a mass email to the company didnt help lol |
| 19:00.31 | ken | eeyore-: that I have an interesting question about -- because i did debootstrap into a raid5 array, with the intention of switching over to the raid5 array, and I can boot off the existing HDA drive with the raid-5 as defined root in grub |
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| 19:00.53 | eeyore- | ken: uh, come again? :-) |
| 19:00.56 | ken | eeyore-: that probably didn't make much sense ... |
| 19:01.00 | rares000 | i didn't say anything about alsa |
| 19:01.05 | eeyore- | ken: no :-) |
| 19:01.06 | buht-w | wols_, nothing, all i wanna do is find out who/where the system is and unplug its ethernet and ask wtf is going on |
| 19:01.10 | cureless | buht-w: ping it, start unplugging cables (first from the main router/switch), the go down to figure out which one it is |
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| 19:01.16 | wols_ | rares000: sorry. rredd4 did |
| 19:01.16 | ken | eeyore-: ok, i have /dev/hda a PATA drive setup with a working install of debian |
| 19:01.19 | eeyore- | ken: if you're saying that your /boot is *not* on raid-5, ok. if your /boot is on raid-5, no go. |
| 19:01.22 | wols_ | rredd4: alsa is part of the kernel now |
| 19:01.27 | buht-w | cureless, yah but i can drop our people that are working |
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| 19:01.40 | rredd4 | wols_: ok, can I upgrade it? |
| 19:01.42 | eeyore- | ken: ok, so /boot and / is on plain non-raid partition? fine, what's wrong with it? |
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| 19:01.48 | cureless | buht-w: it only takes 1 second to see the ping stop working. People won't really notice |
| 19:02.03 | ken | eeyore-: / is on raid-5, but /boot is not -- |
| 19:02.04 | cureless | buht-w: unless they're running some low level link-down protocol (routing)? |
| 19:02.07 | buht-w | cureless, i suppose ill have to go that route... nothing in linux to help scan? |
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| 19:02.14 | ken | eeyore-: is that possible to boot then ? |
| 19:02.20 | stew | buht-w: do you need to know who it is, or do you just need to firewall it? can you firewall off the thing and see who complains? |
| 19:02.25 | eeyore- | ken: no problem, you just have to set up initrd to load the raid5 (or compile raid5 into kernel) |
| 19:02.39 | stew | buht-w: scan what exactly though? |
| 19:02.43 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, i have it booting already, but i can't install grub on the SATA drives -- |
| 19:02.44 | rredd4 | !seen lorenz |
| 19:02.45 | cureless | buht-w: sure, but that doesn't necessarily help you witht he problem. try nmap. But unless you have routers or good switches/hubs you're screwed. |
| 19:02.45 | eeyore- | ken: yep, but you'll have to make the partition "auto-add" or whatever the terminology is |
| 19:02.45 | dpkg | lorenz <n=lorenz@host194-52.pool8256.interbusiness.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 23h 13m 9s ago, saying: 'how to activate scsi emulation for xcdroast?'. |
| 19:02.47 | buht-w | stew, well our it dood is trying to find out who it is and where the box is |
| 19:02.51 | buht-w | stew, i offered to help |
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| 19:03.01 | eeyore- | ken: you don't install grub on SATA. you install grub on /boot, which is on PATA |
| 19:03.12 | eeyore- | ken: or was i confusing something? |
| 19:03.16 | wols_ | ken: that's wrong. grub works fine on sata since it doesn't care about that (only about bios support whcih sata has= |
| 19:03.21 | ken | eeyore-: is it possible to install grub in the MBR on SATA drives ? |
| 19:03.22 | buht-w | cureless, as mentioned i did nmap... have its MAC and some details... its windows, running a webserver and sql server |
| 19:03.26 | stew | buht-w: is it hooked to a managed switch that would tell you what port the mac is on? |
| 19:03.36 | eeyore- | ken: no, because your SATA is part of raid-5 group |
| 19:03.39 | buht-w | stew, many switches here but good idea |
| 19:03.45 | ken | eeyore-: software raid-5 |
| 19:03.49 | wols_ | ken: stage1.5 and 2 need to be on a disk with a supported filesystem. not MBR |
| 19:03.50 | Nattlegend | need some help now. someon can help me in swedish? |
| 19:03.57 | cureless | buht-w: you can find out the manufacturer of the network card from the MAC, that might give you a clue if you have a inventory database. |
| 19:04.08 | rredd4 | can I upgrade the alsa driver since it is part of the kernel? I have to run alsaconf to get sound each time I log in |
| 19:04.08 | wols_ | ken: install grub into /boot like it's intended |
| 19:04.09 | eeyore- | ken: your raid-5 needs the partition to have specific signatures to be automatically recognized by kernel without having to run raidstart |
| 19:04.21 | ashy_larry | I am attempting to install debian using netinst, but get a kernel panic at libcomerr2, any ideas? |
| 19:04.22 | cureless | have a meeting, bbl. |
| 19:04.30 | Nattlegend | someone can swedish her??? |
| 19:04.31 | eeyore- | ken: why would you want to put grub on the raid5 superblocks? |
| 19:04.32 | buht-w | cureless, i mentioned that too, lol its fujitsu so i know its not one of our dells |
| 19:04.36 | wols_ | rredd4: then load the proper drivers in /etc/modules. no more alsaconfi |
| 19:04.39 | buht-w | cureless, i mentioned a lot in my first msg :) |
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| 19:04.58 | ken | eeyore-: i'm new to raid-5, and even newer to doing it on linux in software, so i'm a little confused with the whole setup |
| 19:05.07 | cureless | buht-w: sorry, wasn't paying attention, I got to go, I'll be back later if you're still around. |
| 19:05.10 | eeyore- | ken: make it easy on yourself, here's how ... |
| 19:05.24 | eeyore- | ken: make /boot a plain ext2 filesystem with enough room (64 - 128MB) |
| 19:05.32 | Nattlegend | some swedish people her som can help me??+ msg me in priv!!!! |
| 19:05.35 | eeyore- | ken: make /boot/grub <- put grub files in here |
| 19:05.42 | eeyore- | ken: put kernels + initrd in /boot |
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| 19:05.53 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, and then a copy on every drive, right ? |
| 19:06.00 | wols_ | ken: no |
| 19:06.01 | eeyore- | ken: run grub, "root (hd0,0)", "find /grub/stage1", "setup (hd0)" |
| 19:06.02 | stew | eeyore-: if boot is a separate partition, grub files go in /boot/boot/grub |
| 19:06.10 | eeyore- | ken: copy on every drive? why? |
| 19:06.16 | ken | eeyore-: failover |
| 19:06.18 | eeyore- | ken: you're confused :-) |
| 19:06.23 | submarineshaun | anyome know of a tutorial/checklist or simalar for installing alsa on sarge 31r1? |
| 19:06.25 | ken | eeyore-: very much so |
| 19:06.29 | eeyore- | ken: very confused |
| 19:06.34 | Nattlegend | some swedish people her som can help me??+ msg me in priv!!!! |
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| 19:06.43 | eeyore- | ken: let's start over |
| 19:06.48 | wols_ | ken: everything dealing with grub (stage 1.5, 2, menu.lst and your kernel) must be OUTSIDE your RAID5. NOT on any RAID5 disk |
| 19:06.55 | eeyore- | ken: how do you know you have a raid-5 array? :-) |
| 19:06.57 | wols_ | Nattlegend: stop that |
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| 19:07.06 | Nattlegend | stop what? |
| 19:07.21 | wols_ | repeatedly pasting the same shit and asking for help in private |
| 19:07.24 | valdyn | !alsa one-liner |
| 19:07.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 19:07.28 | ken | eeyore-: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --auto --level raid5 --raid-devices 3 ... |
| 19:07.49 | rredd4 | wols_: the only thing that is listed in modules, besides ide stuff and psmouse is sd_mod is sd_mod sound stuff? |
| 19:07.53 | eeyore- | ken: okay, so /dev/md0 is now the raid5 array. how do you then propose to "copy to every drive"? |
| 19:07.58 | Spudchat | hi, are entries in the /etc/hosts files case sensitive? |
| 19:08.09 | Nattlegend | yes but i can not write my ask her if nobody understand me!!! have i wrong??? |
| 19:08.10 | rredd4 | wols: i did nano /etc/modules |
| 19:08.15 | eeyore- | ken: there's no more "individual drive", right? |
| 19:08.17 | wols_ | rredd4: sound all begins with "snd_" |
| 19:08.40 | stew | Spudchat: no |
| 19:08.47 | wols_ | Spudchat: no, but they're usually are all lowercase. DNS is not case sensitive |
| 19:08.47 | ken | eeyore-: perhaps i should explain what i'm trying to do -- i have a TX4 SATA controller with 4 SATA drives connected |
| 19:08.53 | Nattlegend | wols_ have i wrong with that? |
| 19:09.00 | Spudchat | ok thanks a lot |
| 19:09.10 | valdyn | ken: your are probably mistaking this with a mirroring raid, individual disks off a raid5 cant be used |
| 19:09.15 | rredd4 | /etc/modules is the correct file to look at, right? i don't see no snd stuff there |
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| 19:09.29 | wols_ | rredd4: which is why you have to add it evreything with alsaconf |
| 19:09.43 | wols_ | rredd4: run alsaconf and check your laoded modules with lsmod |
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| 19:09.46 | ken | valdyn: i'm not trying to do raid 1 |
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| 19:09.52 | wols_ | rredd4: then enter them into /etc/modutils/ |
| 19:10.01 | Nattlegend | some swedish people her som can help me??+ msg me in priv!!!! |
| 19:10.10 | ken | valdyn: but what grub + debian in terms of raid can handle isn't very clear anywhere |
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| 19:10.18 | wols_ | ken: but you behave like you had a raid1. which is what valdyn is telling you: that's wrong |
| 19:10.21 | valdyn | ken: but you were saying to install grub on each disk, that is silly ( while it is not silly for raid 1 ) |
| 19:10.35 | erudified | Hi, I just installed sarge and dist-upgraded to testing, but now when I try to login as a non-root user I get 'system bootup in progress, please wait' - any ideas? |
| 19:11.02 | ken | yes, i know that i'm making some wrong assumptions, but i only have very vague documentation to go off of ;) |
| 19:11.06 | wols_ | ken: all grub stuff (stage1.5, 2, menu.lst and your kernel) must NOT be on the RAID5 disks. it must be on a plain /dev/hda or such. nowhere else, since grub doesn't understand RAID5 at all |
| 19:11.17 | rares000 | http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/i915-20060325-linux.i386.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:11.18 | stew | erudified: it means that for some reason /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin isn't being run, or doesn't exist |
| 19:11.38 | valdyn | ken: grub, your kernel ( and possibly your initrd ) cannot be on the raid5 |
| 19:11.40 | erudified | it's there |
| 19:11.41 | ken | wols_: ok, where does the initrd image come into play exactly ? |
| 19:11.42 | rares000 | the precompiled drivers in that tarball make it work |
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| 19:11.51 | mada | anyone here ever setup a terminal server and thin client network? |
| 19:11.55 | rredd4 | wols_: ok, when I do lsmod > mod.txt then run alsaconf then lsmod > mod.txt2 and compare the differences, I see snd stuff. Where do I see it in mod.txt and not in modules? |
| 19:11.58 | wols_ | ken: extended part of the kernel. what goes for the kernel goes for initrd too |
| 19:12.17 | erudified | it's there - how do I set it to not delay login? |
| 19:12.18 | wols_ | rredd4: cause you did not edit /etc/modules duh! |
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| 19:12.29 | valdyn | ken: the initrd is loaded by your boot manager just like the kernel |
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| 19:12.48 | ken | wols_: right -- i get that so it needs to be on either raid 1 or 0 setup, and not on a raid5 stripped array ? |
| 19:13.07 | eeyore- | ken: let's start from the beginning |
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| 19:13.12 | wols_ | ken: do what eeyore- said and put it on a plain disk as /boot. noth something special, no raid at all |
| 19:13.12 | eeyore- | ken: the boot process is as follows |
| 19:13.36 | wols_ | ken: and if you have THAT working, you can think about raid1 it |
| 19:13.43 | eeyore- | ken: first, the computer powers up and executes the bios. the bios looks for bootable partitions on one of the supported devices |
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| 19:14.08 | eeyore- | ken: once the bios finds a suitable boot loader, it loads the boot loader and executes it. in this case, your bootloader is grub |
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| 19:14.23 | wols_ | ken: and the rest of your stuff (when the linux kernel is laoded) can then bo on a raid5 |
| 19:14.36 | eeyore- | ken: grub has to be a very simple boot loader to fit within 512 bytes. the rest of grub's functionality has to be somewhere it can load. |
| 19:14.38 | wols_ | *be |
| 19:15.08 | eeyore- | ken: there's obviously not *much* you can do in 512 bytes, so if the rest of grub were to be on fancy storage devices, obviously grub cannot load the rest of itself, right? |
| 19:15.14 | ken | eeyore-: sure, i knew most of that before coming to the room, but nowhere have i read anything that said grub will not work with raid-5 |
| 19:15.27 | eeyore- | ken: elementary. 512 bytes. |
| 19:15.40 | eeyore- | ken: grub *will* work with *hardware* raid-5 |
| 19:15.49 | ken | eeyore-: i understand that |
| 19:15.55 | eeyore- | ken: if the hardware raid-5 provides *bios extension* to load, sure, it will work |
| 19:16.23 | rezzen | i've been unable to determine if/how dpkg can be used to verify integrity of provided files (similar to rpm's 'rpm -V'). can dpkg (or other) be used for this, and if so, what am i missing? |
| 19:16.24 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, i've got the system already up and booting -- the issue was just that i needed to get rid of the remaining pata drive that's in the sysetm |
| 19:16.26 | Nattlegend | hey...when i install Debian 3.1 should i have 2partition or only 1partiton ??? |
| 19:16.30 | wols_ | ken: look for /stage1.5 and stage2 in /boot/grub/. without them grub can't load. it must fine those files (amont others) |
| 19:16.33 | eeyore- | ken: you can't |
| 19:16.40 | eeyore- | ken: not unless you *thought* about it first |
| 19:16.43 | Nattlegend | hey...when i install Debian 3.1 should i have 2partition or only 1partiton ??? what is best ??? |
| 19:16.50 | ken | eeyore-: i have been working on this for a while ;) |
| 19:16.51 | valdyn | Nattlegend: whatever you want |
| 19:16.59 | wols_ | Nattlegend: at least 2: partdidion and / |
| 19:17.01 | eeyore- | ken: if you thought about it first, then you have made partitions on each of the SATA drives |
| 19:17.06 | wols_ | *swap partition and / |
| 19:17.15 | Nattlegend | swap ? |
| 19:17.21 | ken | eeyore-: basically a have 4 drives setup as software raid5, exclusively, that i installed debian into on the md0 array |
| 19:17.27 | wols_ | yes swap. the installer will guide you through it |
| 19:17.30 | valdyn | !i-g Nattlegend |
| 19:17.32 | wols_ | !tell Nattlegend about grounding |
| 19:17.35 | ken | it's still booting off the old debian installation, which is working fine |
| 19:17.41 | eeyore- | ken: and the partitions on the SATA would look like this: (1) = 64MB (for /boot or some other uses), (2) = 128MB (for swap), and (3) = rest of disk (raid set) |
| 19:17.42 | valdyn | !test |
| 19:17.42 | dpkg | No, valdyn, you're not online any more. |
| 19:17.45 | ken | and the md0 is being mounted as / |
| 19:17.49 | eeyore- | ken: and *all* your disks will have the same partition table |
| 19:18.03 | ken | eeyore-: yes, i'm quite aware ;) |
| 19:18.28 | rezzen | !tell rezzen about verify |
| 19:19.25 | ken | eeyore-: now, let me ask, since this is what i'm planning on doing now -- same partition setup as you just described |
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| 19:19.45 | ken | eeyore-: but root (/) will be raid5 |
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| 19:19.58 | wols_ | yes |
| 19:20.03 | wols_ | with the proper initd |
| 19:20.09 | ken | eeyore-: assuming that a drive fails, how do i do failover correctly on the non-raided section ? |
| 19:20.10 | wols_ | *initrd |
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| 19:20.34 | wols_ | copy the same data on all 4 partitions |
| 19:20.40 | ken | wols_: i already have the right initrd working, it's booting to the root already, i just have 1 PATA drive + 4 SATA drives, and i need to get rid of the PATA drive before i put this box into production |
| 19:20.47 | wols_ | and make sure if hda fails, you make another one hda |
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| 19:20.55 | eeyore- | ken: that's one weakness of software raid :-) you *could* make all drives have the same data for non-raid partitions (that would negate swap, obviously) |
| 19:21.27 | ken | eeyore-: well that weakness would go away if someone hacked in raid5 support into grub, right ? |
| 19:21.33 | eeyore- | ken: that's unlikely |
| 19:21.35 | wols_ | eeyore-: it's pretty easy to do since all those /boot partitions mainly have RO data. nothing to write unless you install a new kernel |
| 19:21.43 | ken | eeyore-: which, to be honest, is possible since you'd need only read-only support |
| 19:21.44 | valdyn | ken: no it wouldnt |
| 19:21.54 | eeyore- | ken: no, that's not an easy thing to do |
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| 19:22.15 | solid_liquid | anyone here know how to get their X server working with ATI/PCI Express? |
| 19:22.26 | solid_liquid | my x server won't even start |
| 19:22.30 | Estes2 | Anyone knows a bug system like bugzilla but simpler please ? |
| 19:22.33 | eeyore- | ken: what you *could* do is make those partitions raid1 or raid0+1 |
| 19:22.37 | wols_ | solid_liquid: there are NO drivres, except VESA ones. |
| 19:22.45 | wols_ | solid_liquid: ask ATI for specs or new fglrx |
| 19:22.46 | eeyore- | ken: uh .... wait, no, not 0+1 :-) just 1 |
| 19:22.51 | js_ | Estes2: mantis is ok |
| 19:23.01 | eeyore- | ken: that way you have 50-50 chance ;-) |
| 19:23.02 | Estes2 | js_, ok, thanks |
| 19:23.03 | solid_liquid | wols_: but how can I get the x server to start? |
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| 19:23.12 | wols_ | solid_liquid: VESA mode. unaccelerated |
| 19:23.15 | wols_ | !tell solid_liquid about drxx |
| 19:23.21 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, i'm probably going to make it raid 1 or something, with dual copies on the 4 drives -- that is, 2 raid1 setups on the 4 drives ... |
| 19:23.31 | eeyore- | ken: yeah, that'd be it |
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| 19:23.49 | Zap-W | hey, what's kicking |
| 19:23.50 | ken | eeyore-: i'm very familiar with linux, this software raid thing is just new to me, that's all |
| 19:23.55 | eeyore- | ken: have you thought about getting debian stable enough and just put the / on flash media? |
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| 19:24.13 | eeyore- | ken: that'd be the reliable way to do it ... treat array as disposable |
| 19:24.16 | ken | eeyore-: flash media -- uh... not a possibility for this application |
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| 19:24.29 | ashy_larry | I am attempting to install debian using netinst, but get a kernel panic at libcomerr2, any ideas? |
| 19:24.41 | solid_liquid | wols_: thanks |
| 19:24.41 | eeyore- | ken: does it have to do more? |
| 19:24.48 | struct | anyone know why k3bsetup2 wont display? |
| 19:24.53 | ken | eeyore-: uh -- yeah -- a lot more -- |
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| 19:25.01 | valdyn | ken: you can boot your system from flash for _any_ application |
| 19:25.03 | eeyore- | ken: :-) like what? |
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| 19:25.18 | eeyore- | ken: think about this ... |
| 19:25.40 | eeyore- | ken: put /boot on flash, that way you know it ain't going bad. then rest of / can be *entirely* on raid5 |
| 19:25.42 | ken | eeyore-: you're talking about the applications or something ? |
| 19:25.47 | wols_ | ashy_larry: try a 2.6.15 kernel for installing |
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| 19:25.52 | wols_ | !tell ashy_larry sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:25.54 | ken | eeyore-: ok, that's pluasible |
| 19:25.59 | eeyore- | ken: of course :-) |
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| 19:26.08 | ken | eeyore-: do you have any hardware recomendations for that ? |
| 19:26.23 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:26.23 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 19:26.25 | eeyore- | ken: www.logicsupply.com, they have lots of IDE<->flash boards (tiny) |
| 19:26.30 | wols_ | ashy_larry: try with that |
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| 19:26.34 | ken | eeyore-: i thought you meant getting rid of raid-5 and going all flash or whatever |
| 19:26.37 | ashy_larry | wols_, shouldnt the ISO just work as is? or do changes need to be made? |
| 19:26.50 | eeyore- | ken: they all just plug into the 40-pin onboard connector and take a 3.5" floppy power supply cable |
| 19:26.55 | wols_ | ashy_larry: it "should" but apparently doesn't |
| 19:27.02 | ken | eeyore-: expensive ? |
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| 19:27.08 | eeyore- | ken: $45 for 512MB |
| 19:27.12 | eeyore- | ken: somewhere around there |
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| 19:27.18 | Quibus | ehm: I just installed etch, and after saving the setup of GNOME, and logging out and in, the GNOME splash screen keeps 'hanging', i.e., login is normal, but the splash screen doesn't go away.... Does that sound familiar? |
| 19:27.24 | MadRush | /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 |
| 19:27.30 | eeyore- | ken: worth it for the peace of mind |
| 19:27.35 | MadRush | ok maybe im stupid but where is libpng12.so.0 normally located |
| 19:27.41 | ken | eeyore-: the space decrease really isn't a huge deal for us, and ya know, $45 buys a 100+ gig drive these days |
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| 19:27.48 | wols_ | MadRush: locate libpng12 |
| 19:27.54 | wols_ | MadRush: also check on packages.debian.org |
| 19:27.57 | eeyore- | ken: right, but your 100GB drive *can* go bad ;-) |
| 19:28.05 | eeyore- | ken: wasn't that the last kink you were trying to work out? |
| 19:28.13 | ken | eeyore-: so can flash, albeit with a lower failure rate -- what's your point ? |
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| 19:28.53 | eeyore- | ken: http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/44/products_id/514 |
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| 19:29.19 | eeyore- | ken: if you don't constantly write to flash, it won't go bad. what were you thinking i was telling you? :-) |
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| 19:29.35 | valdyn | Quibus: click on that flash screen then it should go away |
| 19:29.37 | ken | eeyore-: for $100 i can get a 4 port SATA controller plus 4 hard drives |
| 19:29.37 | eeyore- | ken: i'm not advocating putting entire / on flash. i'm saying to put /boot on flash, and / can be on raid5 |
| 19:29.40 | valdyn | Quibus: splash even |
| 19:29.49 | Quibus | valdyn: it does, but it should keep coming back... |
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| 19:30.02 | valdyn | Quibus: shouldnt you mean |
| 19:30.04 | Quibus | valdyn: it didn't, beefore I added some GNOME terminals to the 'setup' |
| 19:30.05 | wols_ | ken: 4 harddisks for 100$? where? especially with the controller |
| 19:30.13 | Quibus | valdyn: oops, indeed, it shouldn't come back |
| 19:30.14 | eeyore- | wols_: used ;-) |
| 19:30.19 | ken | wols_: i buy hard drives in bulk orders of 20 + |
| 19:30.29 | valdyn | Quibus: that is probably your error |
| 19:30.29 | ken | wols_: you get a hell of a lot better deal when doing so |
| 19:30.35 | eeyore- | wols_: although if you're interested in the controller, you can have mSATA_pci card (sil3114) for $45 |
| 19:30.40 | damien__ | hello, is there a place where I could find a netboot version of the debian-installer for sarge for newer kernels which do not include devfs anymore? Thanks. |
| 19:30.48 | Quibus | valdyn: um, how? I think I just used a normal feature |
| 19:30.54 | eeyore- | wols_: that card has infiniband connector out the back |
| 19:30.55 | LSorensen | ken: how cheap do sata drives get in 20+? |
| 19:30.56 | wols_ | eeyore-: one can get a cheap ide controller for 20 |
| 19:30.56 | abrotman | !tell damien__ about sarge uni |
| 19:31.00 | valdyn | Quibus: rm ~/.gnome2/session ~/.gnome2/sessions-manual will clear your session |
| 19:31.07 | eeyore- | wols_: well, yeah, but it's not infiniband :-) |
| 19:31.09 | ken | wols_: hardware raid controllers are much more expensive than software raid -- i have almost ... 50 terrabytes of storage here on our netwokr |
| 19:31.12 | Quibus | valdyn: back to etch default session? |
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| 19:31.19 | valdyn | Quibus: yea |
| 19:31.25 | Quibus | valdyn: that's not so handy, I loose all my setup stuff |
| 19:31.28 | nn- | damien__: if you need normal device names you can also try to create symlinks |
| 19:31.35 | wols_ | ken: i didn't say anything about raid. just "ide" |
| 19:31.41 | ken | wols_: heh |
| 19:31.44 | nn- | damien__: s/device/device names/ |
| 19:31.51 | Quibus | valdyn: note that I don't have sessions-manual |
| 19:31.52 | Nick0r | hiya guys im looking for a decent way to backup my server to another remote server via ftp |
| 19:31.53 | Nick0r | any ideas? |
| 19:31.57 | ken | wols, eeyore: thanks for you help, it's much appreciated -- |
| 19:31.57 | MadRush | any of you guys run skype? |
| 19:32.00 | ken | laters |
| 19:32.01 | eeyore- | ken: no prob |
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| 19:32.08 | EdibleText | Nick0r, yeah use rsync |
| 19:32.12 | Quibus | valdyn: and there's nothing weird in my session file |
| 19:32.14 | Nick0r | that works with ftp? |
| 19:32.15 | Nick0r | hmm |
| 19:32.17 | rezzen | NickOr, forget about ftp if you can. SSH over rsync is good way to go. |
| 19:32.26 | Acid`X | MadRush, Yes, why? |
| 19:32.26 | valdyn | Quibus: something in there is failing to start |
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| 19:32.32 | Nick0r | rezzen, I can't - my backup space only offfers FTP |
| 19:32.35 | eeyore- | wols_: you want to build some raid array yourself? :-) |
| 19:32.40 | MadRush | and you have no problems running it? it tells me it cant find libpng12.so.0, but it's where it should be on my system |
| 19:32.49 | wols_ | eeyore-: if you give me the money: sure! :) |
| 19:32.53 | eeyore- | haha |
| 19:32.56 | Quibus | valdyn: the splash says "GNOME terminal" (which is what I added before it went wrong), but those terminals appear nicely |
| 19:32.59 | wols_ | I was just wondering about his price figure which I still don't believe |
| 19:33.11 | damien__ | nn-: I need to use a custom kernel (I have compiled one) but the installer complains about "no devfs support in kernel" |
| 19:33.11 | Acid`X | MadRush, yes, in sid w/o problems |
| 19:33.16 | eeyore- | we should be getting the gigabyte i-ram add on card today. 4GB DIMMs, has SATA port, so you can treat the 4GB as a SATA drive |
| 19:33.18 | eeyore- | nifty |
| 19:33.29 | MadRush | Did you have the problem im having, as well? |
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| 19:33.34 | Acid`X | MadRush, do you have the package for linpng installed? |
| 19:33.37 | wols_ | eeyore-: speed still sucks :( |
| 19:33.38 | MadRush | yep |
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| 19:33.53 | wols_ | MadRush: there is more than one libpng, there's at least 1.2 and 1.3 |
| 19:33.58 | eeyore- | wols_: well, it'd be pretty darn near full SATA speed |
| 19:34.03 | MadRush | yep i know, skype is looking for 1.2 |
| 19:34.07 | eeyore- | wols_: without the software driver, or motherboard limitations |
| 19:34.10 | wols_ | eeyore-: and how fast is your DDRAM? see my point? :) |
| 19:34.19 | eeyore- | wols_: motherboard is already maxed out, can't have more ram |
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| 19:34.32 | Quibus | valdyn: so, it's weird |
| 19:34.34 | MadRush | and ive got 1.2, libpng12.so.0 is where it should be according to packages.debian.org |
| 19:34.41 | rezzen | NickOr, you can use rdist to list all files that have changed since Xhours ago, and then automatically ftp those files to your ftp space. |
| 19:34.42 | wols_ | eeyore-: I mean that the connection from the i-ram to your PC is a big bottleneck |
| 19:34.44 | eeyore- | wols_: i see the point, but unless we're willing to go with 32GB mainboard (we're not), this will have to do ;-) |
| 19:34.50 | valdyn | MadRush: 'file /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0' and 'ldd /path/to/skype | grep png' and 'file /path/to/skype' |
| 19:34.56 | wols_ | MadRush: look there. there's a way to search for it. use it! |
| 19:35.00 | Nick0r | hmm rezzen, I'm looking for a solution that does most the work for me ;) |
| 19:35.01 | rezzen | (after replicating everything to your ftp space.) |
| 19:35.05 | MadRush | alrighty |
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| 19:35.13 | wols_ | eeyore-: i-arm != more ram. totally different things |
| 19:35.15 | eeyore- | wols_: *besides*, i keep telling the engineer that the problem is *most likely* not the speed |
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| 19:35.23 | eeyore- | wols_: don't you think i know that? |
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| 19:35.29 | rezzen | NickOr, i wouldn't suggest doing it manually. schedule a nightly rdist/ftp transfer. |
| 19:35.38 | wols_ | eeyore-: well, I want actually something else from such a beast: instant on without tedious hdd loads |
| 19:35.46 | Nick0r | mmm ;/ |
| 19:35.48 | rezzen | NickOr, ftp uploads can be auto-mated. |
| 19:35.52 | wols_ | eeyore-: or instant app load (being a desktop user: GAMES :)) |
| 19:35.57 | EdibleText | wwhats that i-ram card. pci 33mhz bus? |
| 19:36.05 | damien__ | abrotman: dpkg tells "sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12>", but "see" where? |
| 19:36.05 | eeyore- | wols_: i'm pretty sure that the long link time is just that. compute-bound, not i/o-bound. |
| 19:36.21 | abrotman | damien__: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.12 |
| 19:36.22 | wols_ | EdibleText: I think yes. but PCI-E started to appear too, just not from gigabyte |
| 19:36.24 | rezzen | but you don't want transfer all your data every night. (maybe you do, if you don't have a large amt of data) |
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| 19:36.27 | eeyore- | wols_: and it's pretty hard to improve upon compute-bound jobs |
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| 19:36.48 | wols_ | eeyore-: more CPUs! :) of course then comes that pesky amdahl guy... |
| 19:36.50 | damien__ | abrotman: silly me :D |
| 19:36.58 | abrotman | of course :) |
| 19:37.01 | MadRush | hey lookie - ERROR: cannot open `/usr/lib/libpng.so.0' (No such file or directory) |
| 19:37.04 | damien__ | abrotman: ;) |
| 19:37.08 | eeyore- | EdibleText: it doesn't talk over PCI bus. it only plugs into PCI for power. talks over SATA port. |
| 19:37.17 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:37.20 | wols_ | MadRush: so is there a /usr/lib/linpng.so.0"? |
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| 19:37.34 | MadRush | but if i 'find / -name libpng12.so.0' it finds it |
| 19:37.49 | MadRush | according to file, no there isnt. according to find, there is.. |
| 19:37.51 | eeyore- | EdibleText: basically solid-state disks |
| 19:37.57 | wols_ | libpng12.so != libpng.so. can't you read? |
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| 19:38.09 | valdyn | MadRush: libpng.so.0 != libpng12.so.0 |
| 19:38.20 | valdyn | hah |
| 19:38.36 | wols_ | valdyn: type faster :P |
| 19:38.39 | MadRush | right, no i cant read :) |
| 19:38.52 | wols_ | valdyn: of course you make less typos, so it all evens out :) |
| 19:39.04 | valdyn | !find libpng.so.0 sarge |
| 19:39.09 | wols_ | MadRush: look what package if any provide libpng.so on pdo |
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| 19:39.12 | wols_ | then install that |
| 19:39.15 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libpng.so.0' returned no results. |
| 19:39.30 | MadRush | will do |
| 19:39.46 | evilbulgarian | hi, which mpm user flag should i use and whats the advantage / dissadvantage mpm-prefork or mpm-worker? |
| 19:39.48 | EdibleText | eeyore-, .. ah i follow |
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| 19:39.49 | wols_ | MadRush: you can _try_ (no guarantee to symlink libpng12.so (or 13.so to libpng.so |
| 19:40.04 | MadRush | i was thinking i might have to do that |
| 19:40.23 | wols_ | and stop using shitty binary only software from outside debian :) |
| 19:40.27 | EdibleText | eeyore-, so its limeted but the sata bandwidth |
| 19:40.31 | wols_ | what is that program that needs that certain libpng? |
| 19:40.31 | EdibleText | but/by |
| 19:40.45 | wols_ | EdibleText: yes. the pci-e 1.x are slightly faster I think |
| 19:40.53 | damien__ | abrotman: unfortunately, he doesn't give the netboot.tar.gz version :-/ |
| 19:41.11 | EdibleText | eeyore-, pci for power.. ? odd why not just use the power directly from the PS |
| 19:41.29 | wols_ | EdibleText: cause PCI is enough and it's a good place to put the card |
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| 19:42.53 | pipeline | evilbulgarian: "worker" is much faster. PHP is not threadsafe, though, and practically requires the use of the older, slower "prefork". |
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| 19:44.06 | Nick0r | hiya guys im looking for a decent way to backup my server to another remote server via ftp |
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| 19:45.02 | eeyore- | EdibleText: well, it also has to have room to mount the four DIMM sticks, so all told, the PCI format is probably "better". solves two problems at once. |
| 19:45.11 | pipeline | Nick0r: The easiest way is to use gtar + ssh |
| 19:45.24 | eeyore- | EdibleText: without the PCI format, they would have to design custom carrier to be mounted somewhere ... this involves tooling |
| 19:45.27 | Nick0r | i don't have ssh access |
| 19:45.32 | eeyore- | EdibleText: and tooling ain't cheap :-) |
| 19:45.41 | Nick0r | well I do on one box, but I have to upload to the other one using FTP |
| 19:46.01 | etorix | so its a superfast 4gb hd , or so? |
| 19:46.02 | eeyore- | ebible: however, making PCI card is fairly trivial, and needs no special tooling |
| 19:46.41 | pipeline | Nick0r: Then make the tarball, exclude it from the files to be tarred, and then ftp it :p |
| 19:46.57 | Ironhand | I'm running Debian Sid, and am trying to get a USB 2.0 mass storage device (HDD based mp3 player to be specific) to work properly... everything seems to detect high speed/ehci/Spd=480/etc, however when actually transferring files it seems to happen at USB 1 speeds... transfer speed is great when used from WinXP |
| 19:47.05 | MadRush | alright- i failed to mention im on a amd64 box, it looks like my libpng.so.0 is a symlink, you think thats the problem? |
| 19:47.15 | MadRush | er sorry my libpng12.so.0 |
| 19:47.22 | Ironhand | any obvious way to get the speed up to proper USB 2.0 high speed? |
| 19:47.33 | citral | Nick0r: you can create an ssh tunnel, ssh -L 21600:ftp.destination.com:21, and ftp localhost:21600 with the destination user and login |
| 19:48.20 | citral | I means ssh -L 21600:ftp.destination.com:21 yourhost |
| 19:48.28 | citral | or something like that :P |
| 19:48.41 | Nick0r | :/ |
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| 19:50.15 | rezzen | NickOr, if you're looking for someone to actually do it for you, you're not gonna find that here. |
| 19:50.56 | rezzen | NickOr, you can use most ftp clients to upload your data on a scheduled basis. |
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| 19:52.21 | rezzen | what to upload? well, first time you'll want to upload all user and sysmtem-conf data. (/etc/, /var/, /home/) You may want to exclude /var/log. After the first sync, then use rdist to upload changed/new files every N hours. |
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| 19:53.12 | rezzen | some simple scripting will be involved. i don't know of anything off the shelf. |
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| 19:53.40 | wols_ | ncftpput can do it all automatically with a single line from console (or script) |
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| 19:56.10 | matusz | I've got a radeon 9200 and my xorg (6.9.0) enters some infinite loop after a short time of using 3D, I've read that downgrading to 6.8 can help, but I cannot find it, any pointers/other suggestions? |
| 19:56.34 | zed | hello, here is a message i got after having an upgrade from the libc6 failed => mv: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
| 19:56.40 | zed | (i'm root) |
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| 19:59.56 | Suprano | hi |
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| 20:00.39 | wols_ | hello |
| 20:01.00 | wols_ | zed: I'd upgrade "manually" again with dpkg |
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| 20:01.57 | zed | if i manage to get the package :) |
| 20:02.01 | Skiver | hello, i'm running xfs as my font server, while xlsfonts shows all the chinese ttf are ready, why in my Kde, chinese file names still can't be displayed ?? |
| 20:02.10 | pipeline | Skiver: xfs doesn't do truetype. |
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| 20:02.28 | pipeline | Skiver: That may not be your problem, and probably isn't, but I thought I shoudl mention it. |
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| 20:03.00 | wols_ | zed: it's in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:03.05 | zed | yes i know |
| 20:03.08 | pipeline | Skiver: The KDE thing may be just an issue of locales. Have you experimented with setting your locale to UTF-8 or a chinese-specific setting? |
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| 20:03.23 | zed | but with no 'ls' it isn't that easy wojci |
| 20:03.25 | zed | wols_ :) |
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| 20:03.35 | pipeline | zed: echo * |
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| 20:03.45 | pipeline | zed: Your shell has tons and tons of shit built into it. |
| 20:03.48 | pipeline | zed: Take advantage :P |
| 20:03.55 | wols_ | zed: ouch. without working libc you are fucked |
| 20:03.59 | zed | there is no .deb :( |
| 20:03.59 | wols_ | doubt dpkg will work |
| 20:04.10 | pipeline | heh |
| 20:04.15 | pipeline | this is why I have a miniroot image stored in /boot |
| 20:04.28 | pipeline | I wonder why debian doesn't have a safe miniroot stored in /boot by default |
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| 20:04.33 | zed | well, i'm about 400km from this machine |
| 20:04.50 | pipeline | zed: Shoulda had a serial console. :\ |
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| 20:05.09 | Suprano | We (a friend and me) got a debian server, my friend switched the chassis of the server, then the network was broken. After booting we got this message several times: "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmited timed out". We checkt the cabel, it was ok. Maybee the fact that the networkcard's PCI SLOT has been changed is a cause? The whole thing is running in a 3 Pc Networkusing netID 192.168.1.* , the debians ip is 192.168.1.24 .. we can not ping the server a |
| 20:05.11 | Suprano | nd cannot ping from the server.. |
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| 20:05.31 | Skiver | pipeline : it was fine, until the recent upgrade. |
| 20:05.50 | pipeline | Skiver: That doesn't rule out locale issues :P |
| 20:06.04 | zed | fixed |
| 20:06.07 | zed | a dpkg -i worked |
| 20:06.07 | wols_ | Suprano: either the NIC is broken or you made a short with your case shuffling |
| 20:06.16 | swbrown | debconf-devel mentions that it tries its best to ask multiple questions per screen, but I've never seen that. Is there a way to get it to ask that way, or maybe some alternate front end that does it? Want to be sure my package acts sane in such a setting. |
| 20:06.27 | Suprano | the NIc ? |
| 20:06.40 | wols_ | NIC = network interface card |
| 20:06.44 | Suprano | ah |
| 20:06.59 | Suprano | well, ok then we'll check the card now |
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| 20:07.43 | Norbert | hi all, question: apt-get is "Ign"(oring) amule-debian.dyndns.org... can anyone tell me why? |
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| 20:08.11 | pipeline | Norbert: Probably not resolve |
| 20:08.28 | stew | !ign |
| 20:08.28 | dpkg | well, ign is when apt-get outputs lines starting with "Ign:" it means "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway, i didn't need it", also "Hit:" means "i already had that file, no need to download" |
| 20:08.29 | pipeline | Norbert: by the way, amule is in debian. There's no reason to be using packages hosted on some kid's cable connection :P |
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| 20:08.51 | wols_ | pipeline: worse. it's a .biz domain |
| 20:09.20 | swbrown | Btw, is there a channel more suitable for maintainerish questions? |
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| 20:09.45 | stew | swbrown: #debian-mentors |
| 20:09.47 | Skiver | pipeline : locale is already set to en_US.UTF-8 long time ago. |
| 20:09.52 | swbrown | Ah, thx |
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| 20:15.31 | quiet | Compaq Proliant 1600 server... mouse doesn't work. GDM and X starts okay.. but switching to vt1 just keeps scrolling: "psmouse.c: bad data from KBC - timeout" |
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| 20:16.58 | Norbert | pipeline: k, thanks |
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| 20:18.26 | chbug | hi! I try to compile vmware modules with my kernel 2.6.16, but it complains about an address space size mismatch between the running kernel and the headers... |
| 20:19.39 | chbug | does anybody know if B0000000 is a valid value for this? |
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| 20:21.06 | abrotman | you could ask #vmware? |
| 20:22.33 | chbug | abrotman, oh, there is such a thing ?? :-} |
| 20:22.40 | abrotman | yes |
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| 20:25.07 | sandman | Is there an opensource equivelant to Frontpage/Dreamweaver? |
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| 20:25.43 | abrotman | bluefish/nvu ? |
| 20:26.02 | abrotman | vi! |
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| 20:26.47 | quiet | sandman, dreamweaver will also run under Crossover Office |
| 20:26.56 | quiet | but nvu is a decent alternative... |
| 20:27.04 | quiet | I like jedit with syntax highlighting. |
| 20:27.13 | quiet | not WYSIWYG though |
| 20:27.32 | rezzen | anyone know what the "k6" and "k7" represent in the list of kernels at http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/? |
| 20:27.55 | quiet | k6 = athlon k7 = athlon xp/opteron |
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| 20:28.08 | rezzen | quiet, thanks. |
| 20:28.13 | quiet | np |
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| 20:28.23 | mk2 | sandman: try quanta |
| 20:28.58 | stew | rezzen: /msg dpkg k6 ; /msg dpkg k7 |
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| 20:29.19 | sandman | thx |
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| 20:30.04 | Agra | anyone know a way to get a C program to brint a backtrace with source line numbers? |
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| 20:30.28 | SaLoMoN | re |
| 20:30.34 | SaLoMoN | gn8 |
| 20:30.38 | liran_ | cant understand what you're saying Agra |
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| 20:31.13 | Seb | what package do I check for kernel bugs ? |
| 20:31.30 | Agra | liran: well libc has functions backtrace and backtrace_symbols but they don't report line numbers, though they know the full source paths |
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| 20:31.32 | Seb | i just tried installing a 2.6.16 image, and dpkg barfed on it when trying to create the ramdisk |
| 20:31.50 | Agra | liran: this seems sort of sad since gdb can do it |
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| 20:32.11 | abrotman | Agra: ask #c |
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| 20:32.18 | stew | Agra: you need ot rebuild the binaries/libraries with debug information afaik |
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| 20:32.55 | Agra | stew: have done but looks like backtrace doesn't make use of that info... I know I've seen debug dumps from commercial apps with all the line number info in there, wonder how they do that |
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| 20:33.37 | stew | !tell root_ about root |
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| 20:34.14 | abrotman | !tell stew about stew |
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| 20:34.42 | d0uglas | haha |
| 20:34.49 | stew | !eat me |
| 20:34.53 | wols_ | has someone checked how old the meat in stew actually is? |
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| 20:35.05 | is_null_ | hello, i get some strange libpcap error : arptype 0 not supported by libpcap - falling back to cooked socket |
| 20:35.13 | stew | Agra: can you show us a backtrace? did you install -dbg versions of the libraries? |
| 20:35.57 | Agra | stew: sure, her is a sample line: /home/bkerin/projects/rawrec/trunk/src/rawplay(pthread_mutex_lock_checked+0x2e)[0x804a322] |
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| 20:36.13 | steinmag | is there a program similar to Dreamweaver for linux? |
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| 20:36.40 | Agra | stew: don't have debug symbol libc or anything but don't care about line number is there, plus no way to get that functionality on user system |
| 20:37.01 | avont_ | how do i start exim? its already installed |
| 20:37.20 | nn-_ | steinmag: i heard the mozilla foundation is working on a wysiwyg editor |
| 20:37.26 | stew | Agra: and you compiled with -g and didn't strip when linking? |
| 20:37.29 | tarzeau | avont_: /etc/init.d/exim start |
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| 20:37.49 | wols_ | avont_: it starts by default. but if you really want to manually start it "/etc/init.d/exim4 start" I think |
| 20:37.57 | nn-_ | steinmag: have you already tried that one? |
| 20:38.00 | wols_ | or without "4" then |
| 20:38.06 | avont_ | it starts bydefalut?? well i want to use it to email someone |
| 20:38.12 | steinmag | No I havent. Where can I get that? |
| 20:38.12 | wols_ | stew: nvu |
| 20:38.18 | wols_ | steinmag: nvu |
| 20:38.22 | tarzeau | yay |
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| 20:38.29 | wols_ | or quanta |
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| 20:38.43 | is_null | hello, i get some strange libpcap error : arptype 0 not supported by libpcap - falling back to cooked socket |
| 20:38.46 | avont_ | i can't use exim to email a friend? i can use gmail, or yahoo, or hotmail, but i want to use exim |
| 20:38.47 | Agra | stew: got -g, link looks like: $(CC) $(OBJS) -lm -lpthread -rdynamic -o $(PROG) |
| 20:38.50 | steinmag | oh, that one. Yes I have tried that. |
| 20:39.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: would you try out dodgindiamond2 if i'd say there's a secret message to you in the highscore? |
| 20:39.18 | steinmag | But I want php support and html preview |
| 20:39.20 | wols_ | avont_: then get a MUA (mail user agent) and set your locahost for the smtp server |
| 20:39.21 | stew | Agra: ask #c |
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| 20:40.03 | steinmag | ok, there is html preview :) But not "php support" |
| 20:40.22 | wols_ | steinmag: zend studio then... |
| 20:41.07 | steinmag | ok, I'll give it a try. Thanks |
| 20:41.23 | wols_ | that's payware |
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| 20:41.42 | steinmag | zend? |
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| 20:41.51 | wols_ | yes |
| 20:41.56 | avont_ | wols: in my terminal, i want to set it to avont@<whateveriwanthere> |
| 20:42.00 | avont_ | how can i do that? |
| 20:42.09 | Nattlegend | hello...i have some problem with Debian....i cant login :S |
| 20:42.14 | steinmag | okey.. thats not what I had in mind... |
| 20:42.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: if i were at home :) |
| 20:42.40 | Zugschlus | !doesn't work |
| 20:42.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:42.42 | wols_ | avont_: get a MUS. for console: mutt or pine |
| 20:42.52 | Nattlegend | what should i do? |
| 20:43.00 | wols_ | avont_: and setting up a mailserver is HARD: you will need to do a LOT of reading |
| 20:43.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wonder what you work |
| 20:43.14 | wols_ | Nattlegend: give better problem descriptions |
| 20:43.29 | avont_ | right now my terminal says avont@debian, i want it to say avont@blah |
| 20:43.30 | wols_ | s/MUS/MUA |
| 20:43.45 | wols_ | avont_: that's hostname stuff, nothing at all to do with mail |
| 20:43.45 | wols_ | !hostnmae |
| 20:43.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: it must be more fun than games... gynecologist? |
| 20:43.51 | wols_ | !host |
| 20:43.51 | dpkg | wols_'s host is: p549DDD46.dip.t-dialin.net |
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| 20:43.59 | wols_ | doh ;( |
| 20:44.22 | wols_ | !hostname |
| 20:44.22 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 20:44.48 | Seb | what package do I check for kernel bugs ? |
| 20:44.50 | Seb | i just tried installing a 2.6.16 image, and dpkg barfed on it when trying to create the ramdisk |
| 20:44.55 | Nattlegend | i have install debian just now...and i try to login on my account i create but it is something wrong. i can not login with my account!!! |
| 20:44.58 | avont_ | so if i do "hostname blah" in temrinal it saets it to blah forever, until i change it? |
| 20:44.58 | tarzeau | Seb: hehe |
| 20:45.04 | Seb | tarzeau: ? :) |
| 20:45.09 | tarzeau | Seb: build your own! build your own! without initrd |
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| 20:45.30 | Seb | tarzeau: that's not exactly helpful, I'm willing to report a bug on this obviosuly faulty kernel package right now |
| 20:45.33 | tarzeau | Seb: hurry before they hose kernel-package |
| 20:45.42 | tarzeau | Seb: a bug report won't fix the bug |
| 20:45.43 | wols_ | !bts |
| 20:45.43 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:45.51 | Seb | very helpful, once again |
| 20:45.56 | tarzeau | Seb: that bug existed also 2 weeks ago |
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| 20:46.04 | wols_ | Seb: I just told you waht to do |
| 20:46.06 | tarzeau | Seb: well whining about it won't fix it either |
| 20:46.08 | Seb | people, what part of "what package do you report kernel bugs against" do you not quite understand ? |
| 20:46.13 | Seb | wols_: the previous line for you |
| 20:46.21 | tarzeau | Seb: you've got a patch that'll fix it? |
| 20:46.26 | Seb | tarzeau: i'm not whining, I'm asking what package to file the bug against |
| 20:46.34 | Seb | tarzeau: dude, i wanna read about this bug |
| 20:46.36 | tarzeau | Seb: the kernel package you tried to install? |
| 20:46.43 | Nattlegend | i have install debian just now...and i try to login on my account i create but it is something wrong. i can not login with my account!!! what should i do??? wols_ / tarzeau |
| 20:46.48 | Seb | tarzeau: no, there is some kind of meta package for kernel bugs |
| 20:46.53 | wols_ | Seb: it's a stupid thing to do to antagonize people you want help from. didn't you learn that in kindergarten? |
| 20:47.10 | tarzeau | Nattlegend: you have login: ? |
| 20:47.21 | Nattlegend | no i don't can login?? |
| 20:47.26 | Nattlegend | !! |
| 20:47.26 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 20:47.29 | tarzeau | Seb: don't worry, you are the user. just report it against the package that you failed to install |
| 20:47.33 | wols_ | Nattlegend: you should properly report what it says and does. your problem reports STINK |
| 20:47.40 | tarzeau | Seb: they'll put it at the right place. you are just teh user |
| 20:47.45 | tarzeau | Seb: users don't think |
| 20:47.47 | Seb | wols_: simply admit you don't know the name of that meta package. Or give it to me. That !bts factoid was totally unwarranted, and unrelated to my question. |
| 20:47.51 | stew | Nattlegend: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 20:47.58 | tarzeau | Seb: don't read any /usr/share/doc/THEPACKAGE |
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| 20:48.16 | avont_ | what the |
| 20:48.19 | tarzeau | Seb: you are a user? act like one. |
| 20:48.22 | avont_ | my terminmal all of a sudden won't start |
| 20:48.29 | wols_ | tarzeau: doesn't he already? |
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| 20:48.29 | tarzeau | avont_: xterm? |
| 20:48.34 | stew | Seb: report it against the source package |
| 20:48.36 | Seb | tarzeau: that's a very stupid way of reasoning. |
| 20:48.38 | tarzeau | wols_: yes but very amateur like |
| 20:48.39 | Seb | stew: thank you |
| 20:48.43 | stew | Seb: like linux-source-2.6.16 |
| 20:48.48 | Seb | stew: cool, thx |
| 20:48.50 | wols_ | tarzeau: why? they all whine, so it's normal |
| 20:48.52 | avont_ | wtf, the shit won't start |
| 20:48.56 | avont_ | i'll try rebooting |
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| 20:49.11 | tarzeau | wols_: but bug reports for bugs weeks old are like, waste of time |
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| 20:49.20 | tarzeau | wols_: not only for the reporter, but also the reciever |
| 20:49.21 | stew | Seb: unless you think its something particular to the build |
| 20:49.31 | stew | Seb: oh wait |
| 20:49.38 | Seb | stew: i'm not sure yet, that's why i wanted to read other bugs before filing anything |
| 20:49.45 | scenestar | this has got to be the stupidist question evahr, but how the hell do i get rid of the computer home folder end wast basket icons on my gnome desktop |
| 20:49.56 | stew | Seb: if you were having problems with the initrd, file against the initrd createor, like initramfs-tools, or yaird |
| 20:49.57 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 20:49.57 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 20:50.03 | tarzeau | scenestar: irc.gnome.org #gnome |
| 20:50.07 | Seb | tarzeau: which is why i asked to read on the other bugs, before i file anything. You're pretty stuck today, my man. |
| 20:50.13 | Seb | stew: ah, that does make sense |
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| 20:50.31 | Seb | stew: in any case, I'll read some bug reports on both the kernel source package and the initrd creator, and take it from there |
| 20:50.56 | Seb | stew: thanks again, for a moment they got me thinking I wasn't asking my question in english or something |
| 20:51.15 | stew | Seb: it belongs with the initrd creator, chances are you'll already find it existant, but it still helps to confirm the bug with a "me too" in that case |
| 20:51.22 | Seb | stew: yup |
| 20:51.42 | scenestar | ugh, i cant friggin delete them since theyre apperently hardlinks |
| 20:51.56 | scenestar | i can set up a chroot while drunk, but i cant get rid of some stupid icons |
| 20:52.24 | scenestar | ah, its a gnconf thing |
| 20:52.53 | startxwhite | i installed sarge on a P133 with NO usb NO nic. i managed to get a pcmcia netgear fa410 nic and want to join a friend's network because i have no net access at home but when i insert the card i get the message: |
| 20:53.25 | startxwhite | pcmcia_socket0:unable to apply power |
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| 20:53.45 | tarzeau | Seb: i'm still recovering from debian kernels: dpkg -l |grep ubuntu |wc -l still shows 8 |
| 20:54.10 | tarzeau | Seb: you know there existed no debian gnu/linux kernel that'd work with my harddisk (debian gnu/kfreebsd worked fine, though) |
| 20:54.32 | tarzeau | Seb: and i got pissed another time at work about debian kernels today |
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| 20:56.26 | meriad | using grub how do I boot into single user mdoe? |
| 20:56.36 | Seb | tarzeau: we all have problems, yet I hope you realize the utter idiocy of your "you're a user, act like one" suggestion. Recommending users to "not look too far, file a bug wherever you can, and that's it", when they actually ask to consult the BTS for traces of the same problem, is definitely not the way to go. |
| 20:56.46 | tarzeau | meriad: debian has such lines, or use e to edit kernel lines |
| 20:56.47 | levander | Isn't there a macos channel on freenode? I just can't remember it's specific name. |
| 20:57.01 | Seb | meriad: at the grub menu, add "single" to the kernel options |
| 20:57.12 | meriad | Seb- do i have to specify the kernel name |
| 20:57.16 | Seb | levander: you can try #macos I think |
| 20:57.19 | stew | levander: try /msg chanserv list #*mac* ; and /msg chanserv list #*osx* |
| 20:57.24 | tarzeau | Seb: i was just so very sure your problem is already in bts |
| 20:57.29 | Seb | meriad: pick one kernel in the grub menu, and hit 'e' (edit) |
| 20:57.44 | Seb | tarzeau: i understood that, nevertheless who better than *I* can make this call ? |
| 20:58.00 | tarzeau | Seb: so did you check? wasn't it already reported? |
| 20:58.10 | Seb | tarzeau: and see, it turns out the bug was in yaird |
| 20:58.10 | levander | Seb: thanks |
| 20:58.26 | Seb | tarzeau: so filing it in the kernel source/image package wouldn't have done much good |
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| 20:58.36 | Seb | tarzeau: anyway, case closed |
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| 20:58.57 | abrotman | ping! |
| 20:59.04 | Suprano | pong. |
| 20:59.11 | tarzeau | i think i've got a good nethack savegame that i can continue |
| 20:59.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: why can't i own a house in switzerland ?> |
| 20:59.24 | tarzeau | that way at least i'll only harm GNOMEs |
| 20:59.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can! did you apply for DD yet? |
| 20:59.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: DDs don't like me |
| 20:59.48 | gmh | hello, what package i need in sarge for emulate oss in alsa? |
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| 20:59.58 | avont_ | my sound isn't working, how do i get it working, i do have a sound card, and its fully functional |
| 21:00.02 | avont_ | and its isntalled |
| 21:00.02 | Azar | tarzeau: you have a graphic nethack game or same old console one? |
| 21:00.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know, if you always cared for others, you'd never get what you want. be an ass |
| 21:00.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: /nick assman |
| 21:00.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: i am an ass :) |
| 21:00.44 | is_null | hello avont_ , try alsa-mixer |
| 21:00.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: remember goatse? like that ass? |
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| 21:00.53 | helix | Phated: ping |
| 21:00.56 | tarzeau | Azar: the real console one of course |
| 21:01.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm no |
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| 21:01.17 | d0uglas | Remember goatse... we will remember that image until we die |
| 21:01.19 | avont_ | when i triedto open a song with music playert it said, Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist. |
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| 21:01.20 | avont_ | and: |
| 21:01.20 | d0uglas | down to the pixels |
| 21:01.31 | helix | d0uglas: will you remember the wedding ring? |
| 21:01.31 | abrotman | banter? |
| 21:01.32 | avont_ | could not pause playback |
| 21:01.45 | helix | yes banter |
| 21:01.46 | is_null | avont_, try alsamixer |
| 21:01.48 | helix | sorry for my english |
| 21:01.57 | abrotman | helix: it's ok .. you're from the south |
| 21:02.09 | helix | we don't even have schools down here |
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| 21:02.25 | abrotman | i know .. you learn how to read from the "South of the Border" billboards |
| 21:02.40 | avont_ | alsa mixer is used to play music, i don't need that, i need to fix my sound or something |
| 21:02.45 | helix | abrotman: and the bible |
| 21:03.01 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that's the one that talks about booze and stuff |
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| 21:03.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you use blender? |
| 21:04.03 | avont_ | anyone? please help |
| 21:04.06 | abrotman | i make great margaritas |
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| 21:04.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey did i tell you i got the windshield wipers! $15/piece... |
| 21:04.48 | evilbulgarian | hi, im looking for an article on setting up an ldap server that sysncs with an active directory server for other unix clients to authenticate against the AD |
| 21:04.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: i thought you wanted the motor ? |
| 21:05.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes motors of it |
| 21:05.07 | wols_ | avont_: /dev/dsp is oss, you need to OSS alsa bride module loaded |
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| 21:05.13 | warreng | how can i see what configure options were created to compile a package like subversion for example? |
| 21:05.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: why not go to a junkyard? |
| 21:05.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: and also the power is good (stock pc psus, 12 A, 230/300 W) |
| 21:05.24 | abrotman | warreng: in the rules file in the source package |
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| 21:05.34 | wols_ | warreng: look at the source deb |
| 21:05.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: is this for a power bong? |
| 21:05.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can't get 'em cheaper than that here |
| 21:05.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's a power bong? |
| 21:05.46 | avont_ | wols: im an idiot, ok i'll install it, does alsa come with debian in the package manager? |
| 21:05.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know what it's for |
| 21:05.49 | abrotman | you know .. a bong .. that uscks for you |
| 21:05.54 | mishmash | Guys, i've just upgraded from apache 1.3 to 2.0, but now my userdirs don't work any more |
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| 21:06.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got my secretary. sucks much better |
| 21:06.04 | Azar | avont_: rephrase your question does not makes sense |
| 21:06.05 | mishmash | In the config it says that it's a module... |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | did you check the error log ? |
| 21:06.09 | mishmash | but how do i fix it? |
| 21:06.12 | abrotman | a2enmod ? |
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| 21:06.17 | warreng | also... is backports "better" than dotdeb? like mysql 5 is on both for instance.... |
| 21:06.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: so what are they for? |
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| 21:06.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: for my secretary. |
| 21:06.34 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 21:06.39 | stew | warreng: yes, backports.org is better |
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| 21:07.01 | stew | about to? |
| 21:07.10 | abrotman | stew: it can get MUCH worse |
| 21:07.14 | abrotman | stew: did ivman make it in yet? |
| 21:07.20 | stew | its in new |
| 21:07.23 | abrotman | still? |
| 21:07.28 | avont_ | im saying, can i use apt to download the alsoamixer or do i have to go to the site |
| 21:07.39 | stew | abrotman: it hasn't been a week yet |
| 21:07.46 | abrotman | slackers! |
| 21:07.48 | mishmash | Can somebody tell me how i can get my userdirs working again? |
| 21:07.51 | Azar | avont_: sure you can, I hope you know how to use apt ? |
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| 21:08.03 | stew | abrotman: there is a decent chance that ftp-masters kick it back out due to the copyright statements in the source |
| 21:08.04 | abrotman | !find alsamixer sarge |
| 21:08.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'alsamixer' (2): alsamixergui ;; gnome-alsamixer. |
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| 21:08.12 | abrotman | stew: we kill them! |
| 21:08.31 | abrotman | stew: litter thier bodies around battery park! ... |
| 21:08.34 | startxwhite | i installed sarge on a P133 with NO usb NO nic. i managed to get a pcmcia netgear fa410 nic and want to join a friend's network because i have no net access at home but when i insert the card i get the message: cs: pcmcia_socket0:unable to apply power |
| 21:08.46 | stew | abrotman: upstream would probably be happy to change them, they just relicensed it so that it could be in debian |
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| 21:08.54 | abrotman | ah .. that was nice of them |
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| 21:09.07 | abrotman | i'm still waiting on tarzeau to upload briquolo |
| 21:09.11 | stew | abrotman: much of the source points to the old license though, and says stuff like "Copyright by its authors" |
| 21:09.20 | warreng | so what would a "debian expert" charge me ($$) to create "correct and proper" backports for subversion 1.3 and apache 2.2? (including separate packages for the libraries with proper dependencies setup for: libapr, libaprutil, libexpat, and libneon) |
| 21:09.23 | stew | abrotman: why don't you package it? |
| 21:09.29 | abrotman | stew: perhaps you could make a mass patch for it ? |
| 21:09.32 | abrotman | stew: he did already |
| 21:09.41 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i would, it would be simple enough |
| 21:09.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's ready. it's ready |
| 21:09.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: found a sponsor yet? |
| 21:09.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: so where's your sponsor? |
| 21:10.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: i thought you had an AM ? |
| 21:10.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's secret |
| 21:10.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i do |
| 21:10.29 | stew | warreng: subversion is probably already on backports, apache2.2 hasn't even been packages for unstable yet iirc, so there are no backports yet |
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| 21:11.00 | Azar | tarzeau: when is out I would want to buy it from you ... so to get a dedication.. |
| 21:11.14 | tarzeau | Azar: the device i build? |
| 21:11.20 | tarzeau | Azar: or what do you want to buy from me? |
| 21:11.24 | Azar | tarzeau: briquolo |
| 21:11.31 | infernix | hm, still no firefox 1.5 in etch? |
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| 21:11.46 | tarzeau | Azar: ahmmm, i sell it for the phone number of your sister |
| 21:11.58 | tarzeau | infernix: it's in sid |
| 21:12.02 | Azar | tarzeau: she is married with 3 kids |
| 21:12.11 | swbrown | infernix: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-4 seems to be there. |
| 21:12.11 | tarzeau | Azar: are the kids over 18 yet? |
| 21:12.18 | warreng | stew: subversion 1.2 is on backports, not 1.3... |
| 21:12.26 | infernix | would it install in etch or should I just build from source |
| 21:12.33 | Azar | tarzeau: no :) but with my money you can buy any doll you want |
| 21:12.45 | tarzeau | Azar: actually the package is free, and wait the font is in both binary packages, and i didn't figure out what's wrong yet |
| 21:12.55 | tarzeau | Azar: i don't want dolls |
| 21:13.02 | Azar | tarzeau: could be donation with appreciation |
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| 21:13.13 | stew | !info subversion sid |
| 21:13.20 | dpkg | subversion: (advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 918 kB, Installed size: 3012 kB |
| 21:13.21 | tarzeau | well that's something else, you want my address? |
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| 21:13.31 | avont_ | ok, its installing now |
| 21:13.32 | stew | warreng: have you tried /msg dpkg simple sid backport? |
| 21:13.37 | tarzeau | Azar: what country do you live in? i'm all for alternative paying (other than money) |
| 21:13.38 | avont_ | once its installed, mysound works? |
| 21:13.49 | stew | warreng: although it probably requires a newer bdb |
| 21:14.20 | is_null | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.33 | is_null | !info libpcap |
| 21:14.40 | Azar | I can't make my checks I sent to SPI : for Tarzeau's benefit |
| 21:14.53 | Azar | tarzeau: usa california |
| 21:15.04 | warreng | stew: i've been looking to this for a very long time..... there aren't packages for subversion 1.3 or apache 2.2.... yes i need them... no earlier versions won't suffice.... and in terms of bdb... the "libdb4.3-dev" package works fine |
| 21:15.17 | tarzeau | Azar: i'd love to stay a week in california for holidays |
| 21:15.36 | tarzeau | Azar: how many more 3d games do i need to package for you to be my guide over there? |
| 21:15.37 | Azar | :) cool happy to host you |
| 21:15.38 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:15.42 | avont_ | i installed alsamixer |
| 21:15.43 | avont_ | now what? |
| 21:15.47 | avont_ | how do i get my sound working |
| 21:15.56 | tarzeau | Azar: still waiting for my new passport, but i'll get back to this |
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| 21:16.18 | stew | warreng: unstable has svn 1.3 |
| 21:16.33 | warreng | stew: yep... but i don't want to upgrade all my libc stuff |
| 21:16.35 | Azar | ok tell me when you need I will make arrangements |
| 21:16.42 | stew | warreng: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:17.00 | pups | hi, i've got a laptop with a vga-output... is there a way i can make x-windows output a second screen there, instead of just copying what's on the laptop screen? |
| 21:17.25 | warreng | stew: i don't think that'll work because it uses the wrong versions of libapr |
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| 21:17.52 | Azar | avont_: unmute the sound channels in alsamixer . when you done type: alsactl store |
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| 21:18.06 | avont_ | how do i umute sound channel;s |
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| 21:18.20 | Azar | avont_: type: alsamixer you will see there |
| 21:19.08 | avont_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 21:19.08 | Seb | i can't seem to compile the proprietary fglrx from ATI with 2.6.16 (lots of errors when doing 'make'), anyone else seeing this ? I found only one reference to the pb, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4201&, but it stops short of providing a fix. |
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| 21:19.56 | infernix | Seb, why not stick with 2.6.15? |
| 21:19.59 | tarzeau | Seb: #Ati |
| 21:20.06 | tarzeau | or try 2.6.16.1 |
| 21:20.09 | Seb | tarzeau: ah, didn't know about this one |
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| 21:20.24 | avont_ | Azar: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 21:20.25 | Seb | infernix: for some reason, madwifi-ng gives me trouble on 2.6.15 :\ |
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| 21:21.00 | stew | warreng: you have to backport that too then |
| 21:21.16 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: *take and run away* |
| 21:21.29 | avont_ | Azar: |
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| 21:23.31 | warreng | stew: so i'll ask my question again... what would it cost $$ wise for a "debian expert" to PROPERLY setup my sarge box with apache 2.2 (with separate packages and dependencies for: libapr, libaprutil, libexpat) and subversion 1.3 (with dependencies going to libapr/libaprutil from apache 2.2 and libneon (part of subversion 1.3)) |
| 21:23.46 | tarzeau | tiCo89: kasch ds'oehrli ha |
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| 21:24.13 | Kevin` | warreng why do you want someone to do that for you |
| 21:24.23 | tiCo89 | tarzeau: oh thanks |
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| 21:24.41 | warreng | Kevin`: because i've spent literally 20+ hours trying to get it to work right and i still haven't gotten it... i'm sick and tired of dealing with this crap... i just want it to work :) |
| 21:24.57 | Kevin` | install from source doesn't work? |
| 21:25.02 | warreng | it sorta does |
| 21:25.05 | abrotman | !consultants |
| 21:25.05 | dpkg | consultants is, like, http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 21:25.06 | warreng | but there's dependency hell |
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| 21:25.20 | darkcmd | does anyone in here run debian on non x86 hardware? |
| 21:25.26 | abrotman | many |
| 21:25.28 | LSorensen | warreng: is there a reason you must have software newer than what comes in sarge? |
| 21:25.33 | LSorensen | darkcmd: of course |
| 21:25.44 | warreng | LSorensen: yes... i don't feel like i should need to explain why... |
| 21:25.55 | abrotman | it might help you get help |
| 21:25.59 | warreng | i don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.... |
| 21:26.18 | stew | warreng: subversion should be easy, but apache2.2 will be a problem since its not in debian at all |
| 21:26.20 | warreng | i have requirements (subversion 1.3 and apache 2.2) and i'm asking how much it'll cost |
| 21:26.27 | LSorensen | warreng: debian releases stable known to work releases. If people want something else, then they probably don't want debian stable. |
| 21:26.36 | tarzeau | darkcmd: i do! |
| 21:26.39 | abrotman | warreng: how close are you to DC ? |
| 21:26.43 | LSorensen | warreng: once you go to another apache version, security fixes and tracking becomes your own problem. |
| 21:26.43 | warreng | i'm in DC |
| 21:26.46 | darkcmd | tarzeau, what arch? |
| 21:27.02 | tarzeau | darkcmd: hppa,sparc,alpha,powerpc (and mips only netboot/nfs) |
| 21:27.03 | warreng | stew: well subversion 1.3 requires libapr and libaprutil... which most likely be compiled from apache 2.0... which won't work because i need apache 2.2 |
| 21:27.13 | tarzeau | darkcmd: do non-linux ports count? |
| 21:27.22 | LSorensen | warreng: and often most people asking for newer versions don't need them, they are just very conditioned ti think newer is better (which of course it usually isn't). |
| 21:27.29 | darkcmd | tarzeau, how well do they run on them? |
| 21:27.29 | abrotman | i thought svn only needed >apache2.0 ? |
| 21:27.31 | warreng | and so the subversion 1.3 from unstable probably won't because it's using the wrong libs |
| 21:27.36 | darkcmd | tarzeau, yeah |
| 21:27.39 | tarzeau | darkcmd: which and what? good |
| 21:27.43 | abrotman | darkcmd: i have alphas that run debian very well |
| 21:27.46 | LSorensen | darkcmd: I run arm, mips, amd64 and i386. All work great |
| 21:27.48 | tarzeau | darkcmd: i like debian gnu/kfreebsd alot |
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| 21:28.04 | darkcmd | tarzeau, more than the linux varient? |
| 21:28.09 | tarzeau | darkcmd: yes i like it more |
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| 21:28.19 | r4y3k | hello world! |
| 21:28.21 | abrotman | but tarzeau also spanks his secretary ... |
| 21:28.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: but she likes it |
| 21:28.32 | warreng | LSorensen: long story short.... i have to re-write an apache plugin and i want to use the DBD connection handling stuff in apache 2.2 |
| 21:28.34 | Kevin` | hello r4y3k |
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| 21:28.46 | LSorensen | warreng: I see. |
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| 21:29.02 | warreng | LSorensen: and i've spent literally 20 hours trying to get all these libraries to play nicely with each other... and i've made a lot of progress but i'm just sick and tired of this and i need it to just work |
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| 21:29.23 | LSorensen | warreng: of course if apache 2.2 was even in unstable, I would say, just go backport it. But since it isn't I suspect there is a good reason |
| 21:29.33 | warreng | LSorensen: three's not |
| 21:29.43 | is_null | what make errors ? |
| 21:29.44 | warreng | there's threads out there say "where is it?" |
| 21:29.45 | warreng | and nobody responds |
| 21:29.52 | warreng | it's been out for 3 or 4 months |
| 21:29.54 | LSorensen | warreng: hmm. |
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| 21:30.31 | LSorensen | warreng: is 2.2.0 the newest? |
| 21:30.34 | warreng | yep |
| 21:30.35 | r4y3k | hi Kevin` |
| 21:31.01 | LSorensen | warreng: Given 2.0.55 is current, and how many small bugs there can be in a major apache release, I don't think I would personally want to tackle a x.x.0 apache release. |
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| 21:31.18 | LSorensen | warreng: it is almost certain to be broken. :) |
| 21:31.27 | warreng | i don't understand the mentality in here.... |
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| 21:31.36 | warreng | why does everybody keep questioning my requirements? |
| 21:31.39 | davascript | is this a support channel or apache debate |
| 21:31.45 | Kevin` | ya really, he'll PAY you |
| 21:31.54 | ptlis | Because your requirements haven't been fully thought out? |
| 21:32.13 | warreng | how do you know that? |
| 21:32.15 | warreng | and why do you care? |
| 21:32.17 | warreng | i have money |
| 21:32.17 | ptlis | Because this is IRC and everyone has their own opinion which is intrinsically correct? |
| 21:32.25 | tarzeau | !consultants |
| 21:32.25 | dpkg | it has been said that consultants is http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 21:32.34 | warreng | yes i'm looking at that list now |
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| 21:34.24 | warreng | tarzeau: Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to warreng) from tarzeau |
| 21:34.25 | avont_ | ok, i installed alsamixer, how doi unmute all sound channels on it or whaeveer |
| 21:34.34 | tarzeau | warreng: yes? |
| 21:34.42 | warreng | just curious? |
| 21:34.49 | tarzeau | warreng: yes |
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| 21:34.58 | tarzeau | warreng: no i'm trying to hack you |
| 21:35.16 | davascript | hackers dont try |
| 21:35.18 | davascript | hahahah |
| 21:35.30 | warreng | tarzeau: were you expecting mIRC? |
| 21:35.37 | ralpho | guess you are already hacked |
| 21:35.40 | disposable_ | avont_: start alsamixer, press m it's in the manual btw |
| 21:35.40 | tarzeau | warreng: i wasn't expecting anything |
| 21:35.45 | tarzeau | i just looked, and i have seen |
| 21:35.46 | avont_ | ok |
| 21:35.58 | avont_ | how do i staRT alsamixer? |
| 21:36.04 | davascript | read the man page |
| 21:36.12 | avont_ | what? |
| 21:36.13 | darkcmd | tarzeau, what is the verdict? |
| 21:36.26 | tarzeau | darkcmd: i had to smirk |
| 21:36.32 | thingfish | avont_: open a terminal. type 'alsamixer' and hit enter. |
| 21:36.34 | davascript | avont you should be able to read the manual page for alsamixer |
| 21:36.41 | darkcmd | tarzeau, hehe |
| 21:36.46 | disposable_ | avont_: Enter is the biggest key on your keyboard |
| 21:36.51 | davascript | thigfish made it easier on you |
| 21:37.04 | elirips | Hello. If I use 'crontab' to add a cronjob to a user who's login is disabled, do the cronjobs of this user still gets executed (I would like to have a user for only doing one job each hour or so, but that shouldn't be a "normal" user, so I disabled his login)? |
| 21:37.24 | avont_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 21:37.41 | davascript | i dont think you installed correctly |
| 21:37.50 | LSorensen | warreng: do all the addons you use on apache work with 2.2.0 yet (given it isn't compatible with 2.0 add-ons) |
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| 21:38.04 | r4y3k | hello world! |
| 21:38.23 | avont_ | disposable: |
| 21:38.32 | warreng | LSorensen: i literally don't need any addons at all except for subversion and dbd |
| 21:38.37 | disposable_ | avont_, 2 possibillities. either no modules|incorrect modules are loaded; or you don't have alsa-base installed |
| 21:38.40 | ralpho | This is the first time i used debian and neet to know how to get kernel source |
| 21:38.46 | warreng | i REALLLLLLLLY wish everybody would stop questioning my god damned requirements |
| 21:38.48 | ralpho | need |
| 21:38.57 | davascript | ralpho |
| 21:38.59 | tarzeau | ralpho: wget |
| 21:39.00 | avont_ | i do have alsa based installed |
| 21:39.03 | davascript | apt-cache search kernel |
| 21:39.10 | avont_ | it said setting up alsa-base' |
| 21:39.29 | stew | warreng: if you can't tell us your requirements, nobody would be able to help you |
| 21:39.47 | warreng | i have told you my requirements |
| 21:39.47 | tarzeau | stew: STFU he has money |
| 21:39.51 | warreng | they're very simple |
| 21:39.52 | stew | tarzeau: ? |
| 21:39.55 | tarzeau | stew: j/k |
| 21:40.00 | disposable_ | avont_, which leaves you just one option... |
| 21:40.07 | davascript | modules messed up |
| 21:40.10 | stew | warreng: his question about how much of apache2.2 you need was certainly valid |
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| 21:40.15 | Cyorxamp | Is there an IRC channel for opensource.org? I am trying to decide on a license to use and I could use a hand |
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| 21:40.26 | warreng | stew: okay... i'll give you that |
| 21:40.32 | warreng | you're right |
| 21:40.32 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: #gnu but don't mention open source, say free software |
| 21:40.36 | warreng | i need dbd and https support |
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| 21:40.39 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: or ams will hurt you personally |
| 21:41.02 | LSorensen | warreng: well https is standard. No idea if dbd is native to apache. |
| 21:41.07 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: what license do you plan to use? and for what software? |
| 21:41.08 | stew | warreng: have you tried starting with the apache2 sources and updating them to 2.2? |
| 21:41.09 | disposable_ | avont_, first search the web for your soundcard and once you find out what sound card it is, find what module it needs. then do 'modprobe name_of_the_module' |
| 21:41.22 | stew | warreng: err the apache 2.0 packaging |
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| 21:41.34 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: don't use licenses that are hip, stick to something traditional |
| 21:41.35 | avont_ | i don't know what the name of my soundcard is |
| 21:41.35 | Cyorxamp | tarzeau - I think my 'desires' for a license are a bit odd tbh - not sure if one will exist at all |
| 21:41.47 | Cyorxamp | if u wanna help - pm'ing me is better |
| 21:41.49 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: bsd rev, gnu gpl, artistic revised or wtfpl |
| 21:41.53 | warreng | stew: no... i don't know how i would go about doing that.... i just downloaded the sources directly and kept adding on configure options |
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| 21:41.53 | davascript | avont_: i don't know what the name of my soundcard is you need to find this out |
| 21:41.55 | thingfish | avont_: in a terminal, type lspci | grep audio |
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| 21:42.04 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: why not talk here? wait are you female? |
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| 21:42.13 | Cyorxamp | hehe, no |
| 21:42.20 | Cyorxamp | theres just alot of channel open atm |
| 21:42.33 | warreng | stew: basically i've already spent 1bout 19 hours too many on this and at this point i don't have the time or motivation to make it work... which is why i'm asking for somebody to give me a $$ quote for how much it would cost to set it up for me |
| 21:42.34 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: would the software work with debian? |
| 21:42.35 | avont_ | thingfish: it didn't do anything |
| 21:42.39 | stew | Cyorxamp: if you are interested in a debian compatible license /msg dpkg dfsg faq |
| 21:42.41 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: would it be useful for me? is it a game? |
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| 21:42.59 | Cyorxamp | lol, it's not a game - not going to say what it is -yet- |
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| 21:43.08 | thingfish | avont_: it just went back to the prompt? |
| 21:43.12 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: i hate vaporware |
| 21:43.18 | avont_ | thingfish, yes |
| 21:43.27 | warreng | stew: if the quote is something i can deal with, i'd *MUCH* rather pay somebody to do it for me... if it's way out of my price range... then i'll go back to trying to make it work myself |
| 21:43.39 | thingfish | avont_: I'm no guru, but that would make me think your audio device is not being seen. |
| 21:43.58 | avont_ | my cd burner also isn't being seen |
| 21:44.20 | avont_ | wtf, what is wrong with linux, it wasn't this hard trying to get my haRdware setup in windows |
| 21:44.20 | Kevin` | i'd say like $10 if there was a convienent way to pay me (there isn't) and I didn't have to move from this seat |
| 21:44.27 | avont_ | how do i make my stuff be seen? |
| 21:44.34 | thingfish | avont_: is this a brand new computer? |
| 21:44.52 | avont_ | no |
| 21:44.53 | avont_ | its old |
| 21:44.56 | thingfish | avont_: or is it a rather old one? |
| 21:44.57 | thingfish | ah |
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| 21:45.01 | avont_ | rather ld |
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| 21:45.03 | avont_ | old* |
| 21:45.05 | tarzeau | $9 and you get me a cold beer |
| 21:45.17 | Kevin` | doh :( |
| 21:45.18 | Kerr | !beer tarzeau |
| 21:45.41 | warreng | Kevin`: are you serious about $10? |
| 21:45.44 | thingfish | hmm, wonder if it's an old ISA soundblaster... |
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| 21:46.03 | avont_ | no |
| 21:46.07 | jerome | tasty and pils in the same sentence |
| 21:46.08 | avont_ | crystal something |
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| 21:46.47 | Kevin` | warreng yes I am, but I don't have something like paypal to make that easy, and doing more to set up the payment makes it not so fun anymore |
| 21:47.05 | jerome | avont_: type "lspci" in a shell, locate the sound card and tell us about it |
| 21:47.14 | warreng | Kevin`: i could buy you something off amazon.com and ship it to you |
| 21:47.19 | warreng | :) |
| 21:47.22 | thingfish | jerome: I already told him to do that, he said it returned nothing. |
| 21:47.35 | daeos | wols_: you around? |
| 21:47.40 | jerome | thingfish: ok, so let's hang with dpkg's beers |
| 21:47.45 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 21:47.49 | jerome | dpkg: got any belgian's ? |
| 21:47.57 | thingfish | no thanks to beer tonight - going to have bourbon and coke. |
| 21:47.57 | daeos | !beer |
| 21:47.57 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 21:48.10 | thingfish | !bourbon |
| 21:48.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bourbon is THE SHIT.. Damn, it's THe drink ;-) |
| 21:48.19 | warreng | Kevin`: i could even call a pizza place where you live and have 'em deliver a pizza :) |
| 21:48.21 | daeos | !liquor |
| 21:48.28 | daeos | :( |
| 21:48.32 | Kevin` | I already had pizza |
| 21:48.54 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/627654 |
| 21:49.41 | daeos | well since wols_ isn't around, i need help with setting up postfix.... just followed some instructions that wols_ gave me, and my imap server hangs after i put in MAIL FROM: <foo.bar@foobar.org> |
| 21:49.48 | jerome | I may find a complete dict for french wine with specialist comments. Sure dpkg would like to return smart answers to !dpkg Chateau Petrus |
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| 21:50.14 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/627654 |
| 21:50.17 | thingfish | ooh woah, that's a nice wine. never had it, though. |
| 21:50.35 | thingfish | plus I would be putting my money into burgundies. |
| 21:50.37 | jerome | pretty expensive |
| 21:50.39 | warreng | i give up |
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| 21:50.51 | thingfish | poor boy |
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| 21:51.16 | jerome | I don't know much people who would spend a thousant dollars in a bottle of wine |
| 21:51.20 | thingfish | anyway, avont_, looks like no audio device is recognized. |
| 21:51.41 | thingfish | jerome: only people who have many many times that in the bank. |
| 21:51.41 | jerome | cheapest from the year maybe available around $200 however |
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| 21:52.04 | avont_ | thingfish: so what do i do to make my cd-rw drive and my audio device be recognized |
| 21:52.16 | jerome | thingfish: I obviously don't know people like these :) |
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| 21:53.33 | thingfish | avont_: not sure. you're system is not that old, a 440bx system, everything should be seen, I would think. |
| 21:53.51 | avont_ | well, i really need audio and my cd-rw drive |
| 21:53.56 | thingfish | jerome: neither do I hehe |
| 21:54.00 | avont_ | what do i do |
| 21:54.16 | daeos | !postfix |
| 21:54.17 | dpkg | postfix is probably a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 21:54.20 | avont_ | it worked on windows everytime |
| 21:54.25 | thingfish | avont_: do uname -r in a terminal |
| 21:54.35 | jerome | he may have to load appropriate modules, add himself to the audio group, set the master and pcm channels unmute and 100% and ... |
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| 21:55.25 | darkcmd | what do you guys think of microsoft threatening to sue linux vendors and such? |
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| 21:56.05 | Kevin` | sue on what grounds? |
| 21:56.14 | avont_ | 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 21:57.01 | Kevin` | darkcmd ? |
| 21:57.27 | thingfish | avont_: well that's certainly up to date - you could've probably even installed fine using the 2.4 kernel. |
| 21:58.12 | avont_ | i installed with an out of date kernel, then i updated it |
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| 21:58.26 | darkcmd | appearantly linux violates many of their patents |
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| 21:59.13 | tombs | hi all |
| 21:59.17 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: uh, citation? |
| 21:59.21 | Kevin` | ya how dare another company design a program to control the operation of a computer |
| 21:59.45 | darkcmd | let me give you a link |
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| 22:00.06 | hound | my network connection on my lan is very slow - connecting to my debian box via http is very slow. How can I diagnose? |
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| 22:00.47 | avont_ | i really need my audio and cd-rw drive |
| 22:01.57 | Kevin` | hound explain "slow" |
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| 22:03.35 | darkcmd | http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2006/03/22/ballmer-microsoft-linux-cz_df_0322microsoft.html |
| 22:03.35 | hound | well, ftp'ing takes a long while, and I'm trying to access my webpages on my debian box via a lann'ed pc and it times out half way. |
| 22:03.35 | darkcmd | there's the article |
| 22:03.35 | hound | my images don't get loaded. |
| 22:04.57 | Kevin` | hound first things first.. networking hardware, configuration is known to be good? |
| 22:05.04 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: uh... "Well, I think there are experts who claim Linux violates our intellectual property. I'm not going to comment. " |
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| 22:05.41 | avont_ | any ideas? on how to get my stuff recognized? |
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| 22:06.06 | darkcmd | I find it ironic, they have not innovated anything, they just change what they have slightly, I think they're going to admit defeat, and just flex their legal muscle |
| 22:06.20 | hound | Kevin`, yes! trouble is my linux install is on a really old compaq (600mhz) and I don't know what the network card is.... besides I don't know how to conf it. I did a debian netinst and it detected it autom. |
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| 22:07.46 | Kevin` | well if the bottleneck is the computers processing, for something not so intensive like ftp, I doubt there's much you can do to improve it |
| 22:07.51 | Kevin` | but be sure that's the case |
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| 22:08.53 | hound | The bottleneck in this case should be the data transfer rate of the HD I would have thought. It seems that my network throughput is not good, but I don't know how to check. |
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| 22:09.51 | jeward_ | How do I start X requesting remote session management? I can't remember or find it in the man page. |
| 22:10.23 | Kevin` | hound send something over the network that isn't from the hard disk |
| 22:11.11 | hound | Kevin`, ... how? any suggestions? |
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| 22:12.15 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 |nc -lvnp 1045 |
| 22:12.43 | Kevin` | http://host:1045 (or any other connection to measure speed |
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| 22:13.30 | hound | you mean dd on debian and http on my pc |
| 22:13.38 | jeward_ | How do I start X requesting remote session management? I can't remember or find it in the man page. |
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| 22:13.59 | avont_ | help, what do i do?my audio device and cd-rw drive isn't being recognized |
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| 22:14.30 | hound | Kevin`, you mean dd on debian and http on my pc |
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| 22:14.36 | Kevin` | yes |
| 22:14.38 | uFo_Z | hi all |
| 22:14.47 | uFo_Z | hi all. i just added a repository for the vim7 snapshot. when i use apt-get update i got a signature fauiler. i got the pgp on my desktop but dont knwo what to d |
| 22:15.32 | gumuz | i have several python version on my debian box, when i instal some-python_package it does it in ython2.3, how do i force it to use python2.4? |
| 22:15.35 | Kevin` | curl -o /dev/null http://localhost:1045 |
| 22:15.50 | Kevin` | works nice, because it has transfer rate and doesn't care about type |
| 22:16.40 | Kevin` | not localhost though |
| 22:16.49 | gumuz | i downloaded a .DEB file and installed it with dpkg -i, how do i get it to install in python2.4 |
| 22:16.51 | gumuz | any ideas? |
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| 22:18.11 | hound | well the dd command gave the following output:0 bytes transferred in 0.029974 seconds (0 bytes/sec) |
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| 22:18.45 | Kevin` | no error message? |
| 22:19.01 | gumuz | i downloaded a .DEB file and installed it with dpkg -i, how do i get it to install in python2.4 |
| 22:19.09 | hound | bash: nc: command not found |
| 22:19.11 | hound | also |
| 22:19.18 | hound | bash: nc: command not found |
| 22:19.20 | pipeline | gumuz: Your question makes no sense. Repeating yourself will get you nowhere. |
| 22:19.28 | sepen | hound, you need netcat |
| 22:19.42 | sepen | hound, locate netcat |
| 22:19.45 | hound | OK |
| 22:19.46 | Kevin` | hound recommend you install nc (netcat).. there are probably other ways to do this, but it's a useful tool |
| 22:20.00 | sepen | hound, and try some symlink like nc->netcat |
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| 22:20.12 | hound | .....installing |
| 22:20.16 | sepen | hound, waht are you testing? |
| 22:20.28 | hound | lan speed |
| 22:20.48 | sepen | I was written an irc client with netcat |
| 22:21.01 | abrotman | gumuz: apt-get -f install |
| 22:21.06 | Kevin` | netcat isn't scriptable.. exaplain |
| 22:21.09 | sepen | you can download from http://mikeux.dyndns.org/ircsh |
| 22:21.10 | Kevin` | (irc client) |
| 22:21.14 | abrotman | pipeline: i decoded it! |
| 22:21.34 | eeyore- | who the heck is this dweeb? http://www.cnet.com.au/desktops/pcs/0,39029439,40061467,00.htm |
| 22:21.35 | sepen | and also I ported my own script to crux distro |
| 22:21.35 | Kevin` | an irc client is possible in bash without netcat |
| 22:21.44 | hound | OK the dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 |nc -lvnp 1045 |
| 22:21.44 | hound | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.46 | gumuz | pipeline, i'm sorry, i guessed my question was lost in there |
| 22:21.46 | eeyore- | "intel's viiv will end all media-center pc's" |
| 22:21.50 | hound | 104857600 bytes transferred in 13.294226 seconds (7887454 bytes/sec) |
| 22:21.51 | jeward_ | How do I start X requesting remote session management? I can't remember or find it in the man page. |
| 22:21.55 | gumuz | pipeline, what doesnt make sense? |
| 22:22.05 | stew | jeward_: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 22:22.07 | gumuz | usually i do an apt-get install, which works fine |
| 22:22.07 | hound | the other lan pc is still trying to load |
| 22:22.22 | sepen | Kevin`, yes, it possible but I it's my own script, xD |
| 22:22.28 | gumuz | but now i had to download the.deb file myself and install it this way (i think, i'm a total noob) |
| 22:22.30 | sepen | test it! |
| 22:22.32 | Kevin` | hound is that significanly higher then ftp speed/ |
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| 22:23.04 | jeward_ | stew: Not what I mean. |
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| 22:23.08 | Kevin` | sepen downloaded, looking |
| 22:23.14 | hound | don't know. I don't know why the remote pc is finding it slow to get data from my debian box. |
| 22:23.33 | Kevin` | hound well check the speed |
| 22:23.34 | stew | jeward_: what do you mean then? |
| 22:23.56 | Kevin` | "slow" isn't a very good quantitative value for speed comparison |
| 22:24.06 | jeward_ | stew: There's a way to start X where it broadcasts and all hosts willing to host an X session respond. |
| 22:24.16 | kd | pastebot? |
| 22:24.20 | jeward_ | stew: You click on the host you want and get an X session on it. |
| 22:24.39 | gevaerts | jeward_: have you tried X -help ? |
| 22:24.50 | sepen | Kevin`, if you are interesting please tell me |
| 22:24.50 | hound | Kevin`, yes I know.... :-( |
| 22:25.00 | sepen | Kevin`, now Im going to bed! |
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| 22:25.30 | jeward_ | I'll try 0help... |
| 22:25.38 | Kevin` | sepen want to read over it before running it, you understand :) |
| 22:25.48 | gumuz | pipeline, whats wrong with my previous question? excuse my ignorance |
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| 22:26.21 | sepen | Kevin`, xDD |
| 22:27.05 | sepen | tomorrow I stay at 7, bye! |
| 22:27.11 | jeward_ | Duh, -broadcast! |
| 22:27.14 | jeward_ | Thanks! |
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| 22:28.01 | eeyore- | gumuz: update-alternatives |
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| 22:28.37 | hound | Kevin`, thanks for your help.... I need to dig around ... I've been out of this linux loop for a while. |
| 22:28.57 | Kevin` | ok |
| 22:29.12 | kd | I've run ldd mysqld and have a list of libraries to reinstall. How do I find what packages they belong to? |
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| 22:29.44 | eeyore- | kd: dpkg --search |
| 22:29.54 | hound | Sorry, Kevin` .... got logged out.... thanks again. |
| 22:29.59 | Kevin` | yep |
| 22:30.03 | Kevin` | one thing though |
| 22:30.06 | hound | laters |
| 22:30.14 | hound | yes? |
| 22:30.18 | Kevin` | make sure dma is enabled on hard drive, if possible |
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| 22:30.33 | hound | ok, will read up on that too. |
| 22:31.31 | hound | n8 |
| 22:32.10 | eeyore- | *ping* |
| 22:32.18 | Kevin` | *gnip* |
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| 22:32.43 | hound | lol |
| 22:32.49 | eeyore- | echoes are LIFO? |
| 22:33.02 | Kevin` | seems so |
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| 22:33.51 | daeos | Im having an issue with Postfix and after running the postmap command it seems all of my .cf files are not able to access mysql, my password and user name is correct and im trying to connect via 127.0.0.1 |
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| 22:35.07 | dererk | Hi, Isn't supposed that RAID 1 can't just handle 1 hdd down? |
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| 22:36.25 | nobley | I have an ethernet card on /sys/devices/pci0000:000/0000:00:0b.1/1.0/ which is plugged in to a lan where I should be able to simply dhclient to get live on the net,.. dhclient cant find any broadcast devices and that device name it claims is too long, any ideas? |
| 22:36.53 | dererk | I had an array of 3 hdds and two conectors blow and it's actually running with 1 hdd! |
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| 22:37.11 | Kevin` | this is suprising? |
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| 22:37.39 | dererk | REALLY for me |
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| 22:37.48 | biesi_ | nobley, device names are usually like eth0 or such |
| 22:37.48 | biesi_ | try ifconfig -a to get a list |
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| 22:37.52 | \amethyst | dererk: RAID 1 is a mirror |
| 22:37.54 | Kevin` | nobley ethernet cards are usually ethX (0,1,2,3,..) |
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| 22:38.14 | \amethyst | dererk: meaning you have all the data on each disk |
| 22:38.17 | dererk | I came back and got scared of what happened but then I realise the system was running without troubles |
| 22:38.20 | Kevin` | you need a driver for the device if there is none.. you can't just use it as a raw pci device somehow |
| 22:38.30 | dererk | \amethyst, so, RAID 5 was what I meant? |
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| 22:39.13 | \amethyst | dererk: RAID 5 can handle the loss of one dissk but not two |
| 22:39.19 | \amethyst | s/ss/s/ |
| 22:39.22 | dererk | So, there |
| 22:39.26 | dererk | I confused them |
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| 22:39.30 | Kevin` | how many disks total |
| 22:39.31 | Kevin` | 3? |
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| 22:39.38 | dererk | yes |
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| 22:40.05 | dererk | The conector jack blows and the last hdd was pending from pins |
| 22:40.19 | dererk | I can't even understand how could it |
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| 22:40.28 | zinx | i have never heard of a connector blowing up |
| 22:40.30 | dererk | good bless RAID tools |
| 22:40.45 | zinx | maybe you should put less C4 on them |
| 22:41.11 | eeyore- | deref: raid-1 with three drives? |
| 22:41.18 | eeyore- | dererk: raid-1 with three drives? |
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| 22:41.21 | dererk | Maybe "blow up" aren't the correct words |
| 22:41.33 | eeyore- | oh |
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| 22:41.47 | dererk | Yes, 3 hdd scsi |
| 22:41.56 | eeyore- | raid-5, you mean. no big deal. |
| 22:41.57 | dererk | 4.3 g e/o |
| 22:42.13 | eeyore- | in some cases it will survive the loss of multiple drives :-) i recovered mine from that situation. |
| 22:42.14 | dererk | No, I confused them |
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| 22:42.39 | dererk | I though RAID 1 was the one which can't handle more than 1 array downs |
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| 22:42.57 | tansaku | hi all - I have a question about package versioning on debian. apt-cache shows I have ruby 1.8.2, but ruby -v on the command line says 1.8.4 - does this mean I have two versions of ruby installed? |
| 22:42.59 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 22:43.03 | eeyore- | in my case i 'lost' 3 out of 4 drives in the array. the bad sectors were in different places in different drives, so i could recover by pluggin in spare drives and image it from the others |
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| 22:43.19 | solemnwarning | can i run the official nvidia installer for sound drivers? |
| 22:43.32 | abrotman | !nvsound |
| 22:43.32 | dpkg | nvsound is, like, nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
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| 22:43.46 | abrotman | solemnwarning: and if oyu want to know more .. ask #nvidia |
| 22:44.00 | solemnwarning | can i use the installer under debian? |
| 22:44.07 | abrotman | ask them .. how would we know? |
| 22:44.14 | solemnwarning | hmmm... |
| 22:44.27 | abrotman | is it in debian? NO .. so go ask #nvidia |
| 22:44.29 | solemnwarning | I'm asking if the installer can be used in DEBIAN |
| 22:44.39 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 22:44.44 | solemnwarning | since the nvidia graphics installer breaks apt |
| 22:44.45 | dererk | eeyore-, well, the problem was I confused them, and when I saw that I though "NO! Please god no!" |
| 22:44.54 | Althaser | how can I mount bin files ? please |
| 22:45.05 | dererk | Then I realise it wasn't RAID1 which can't handle it |
| 22:45.06 | eeyore- | Althaser: as in .bin and .cue files? |
| 22:45.11 | dererk | Hopefully! |
| 22:45.14 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ask #nvidia .. this isn't brain surgery .. the software you want to run is NOT IN DEBIAN .. so ask the people who made it(or at least know more about it) |
| 22:45.19 | AciD | !google |
| 22:45.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 22:45.22 | Althaser | eeyore- right |
| 22:45.28 | Kevin` | eeyore- convert to iso file(s) |
| 22:45.31 | eeyore- | Althaser: i don't think you can. burn it :-) |
| 22:45.44 | Kevin` | that to Althaser |
| 22:46.03 | trumpet | hello, I have debian etch and want to install 2.6.15 kernel, but don't know which arch shall I choose; possibilities are:486,586,686,k7 and I have 'AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+' |
| 22:46.11 | dererk | eeyore- dererk: raid-1 with three drives? <-- is it strange for you? |
| 22:46.23 | Althaser | eeyore- I don't want burn it ;-P |
| 22:46.25 | eeyore- | too bad! i would love to have soundstorm now |
| 22:46.33 | eeyore- | dererk: yes, very |
| 22:46.34 | thingfish | trumpet: see #debian-amd64 |
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| 22:46.45 | dererk | eeyore-, why? |
| 22:46.47 | abrotman | thingfish: he's running 32bit etch apparently |
| 22:46.54 | eeyore- | dererk: not efficient use of space |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | redundant thgouh |
| 22:47.16 | tansaku | can apt be wrong? apt-cache search tells me I have ruby 1.8.2, but ruby -v tells me 1.8.4 ... |
| 22:47.21 | dererk | Deppending what are you looking for |
| 22:47.25 | Althaser | Kevin` how can I convert him ? please |
| 22:47.27 | eeyore- | abrotman: if you need to recover from having two drives die, you should consider another vendor :-) |
| 22:47.27 | dererk | Space or Safety |
| 22:47.31 | smoosh | hi, i've a dual boot linux/win-xp, it's all ok, but when i boot in xp, i see a linux partition,,, how can i fix it? |
| 22:47.50 | dererk | eeyore-, look what happened to me |
| 22:47.56 | Kevin` | Althaser ask google, as I recall it's very easy to find, and for me to answer i'd have to do the same |
| 22:48.15 | eeyore- | dererk: if you are careless enough to bend hard drive pins, maybe you should consider another profession :-) |
| 22:48.18 | thingfish | abrotman: oh, I assumed since he has an amd64 he'd be looking for the 64-bit version. |
| 22:48.24 | eeyore- | dererk: definitely *don't* become a sushi chef |
| 22:48.25 | dererk | I can't understand HOW could the cable get out of the jack, but the system IS actually running w/o problems |
| 22:48.30 | abrotman | haha .. thingfish assumed .. silly goat! |
| 22:48.36 | Althaser | Kevin` all right :-) thanks a lot |
| 22:48.42 | Althaser | eeyore- thanks a lot :-) |
| 22:48.43 | daeos | silly question, what is the key for ^] ? |
| 22:48.50 | abrotman | eeyore-: drives are fun and all . but how about you fix my server here :) |
| 22:48.51 | Kevin` | ctrl+] |
| 22:49.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'll fix your server ... with a BFH |
| 22:49.05 | daeos | thanks.... got stuck in telnet |
| 22:49.13 | abrotman | eeyore-: that might help |
| 22:49.20 | dererk | eeyore-, that hurts buddy! :-( |
| 22:49.34 | Kevin` | random info, for ssh, enter, ~. |
| 22:49.36 | daeos | i need my BF6 re-capped |
| 22:49.43 | trumpet | abrotman: so which should I choose? (32bit) |
| 22:49.45 | chealer | tansaku: apt can be wrong, but it's most likely not in this case |
| 22:49.49 | eeyore- | ever tried skipping a row in ESDI drives? they make fun noises |
| 22:49.52 | tansaku | with apt-get install, is there a way to specify I want a particular version of a package, e.g. ruby version 1.8.2 over 1.8.3 etc? |
| 22:50.13 | tansaku | chealer: so that implies I must have two versions of ruby on my system? |
| 22:50.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: what's wrong with your server? |
| 22:50.24 | dererk | as I said, I don't know how could it be, but I'm sure it wasn't my fault, eeyore-, lot of ppl are around it |
| 22:50.35 | chealer | tansaku: yes, but it usually "doesn't work". you can only get 1 version of each package by source you have |
| 22:50.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: IBM made a defective mobo .. the onboard VRM blows .. the onboard VGA is fucked .. and i can't tell what's going on :) |
| 22:51.05 | chealer | tansaku: no, it implies you're misinterpreting what apt is indicating |
| 22:51.34 | eeyore- | abrotman: and you have no spare video card? |
| 22:51.46 | tansaku | chealer: right, if I'm on STABLE, I get whichever version of ruby is in stable. hmm. Seems like someone must have installed ruby 1.8.4 over 1.8.2 and not used apt ... |
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| 22:52.47 | chealer | tansaku: no, it's simply the version of some ruby packages which is confusing |
| 22:52.51 | SonnyBurnett | do you know how can I add fonts to amsn? |
| 22:52.57 | abrotman | eeyore-: many .. either the monitor also went poof .. of the mobo isn't recogniziing the PCI card and switching displays |
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| 22:53.24 | abrotman | s/of the/or the/ |
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| 22:53.38 | eeyore- | abrotman: remove the battery and short the jumper? reset nvram? |
| 22:53.56 | Althaser | eeyore- Kevin` PS: mplayer read bin files ;) |
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| 22:54.14 | abrotman | eeyore-: i tried that on the other mobo . not on this one .. i will tomorrow .. and i'm also going to try another monitor etc .. i can't even get a capslock response out of the keyboard |
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| 22:54.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:54.26 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:54.37 | tansaku | chealer: are you sure? - I have two debian systems. One has this discrepancy - the other doesn't |
| 22:55.05 | Kevin` | Althaser bin files don't have to be movies |
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| 22:55.09 | eeyore- | abrotman: could be the motherboard is beyond repair? :-) |
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| 22:55.21 | eeyore- | abrotman: if you can't toggle capslock, maybe CPU is dead |
| 22:55.30 | Thanatermesis | any person knows how to "launch the browser" (firefox) in thunderbird links ? |
| 22:55.30 | dererk | Thanatermesis, yo! |
| 22:55.35 | Thanatermesis | yo! dererk |
| 22:55.46 | daeos | wol_: you there? |
| 22:55.52 | Althaser | Kevin` but if was it reads |
| 22:55.59 | chealer | tansaku: right, there shouldn't be such a discrepancy on stable |
| 22:56.04 | eeyore- | dererk: well, what did you expect? :-) |
| 22:56.11 | mardak | hi there! is it normal, that after typing "dpkg -i <some-small-program>" i have to wait about 4-5 mintues? |
| 22:56.16 | abrotman | eeyore-: no .. the system powers up and cycles the drives .. and i've tried two mobos |
| 22:56.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'll have to try all kinds of combinations tomorrow |
| 22:56.33 | dererk | eeyore-, ok, nevermind, I'm like a rock, I don't have feelings :'( |
| 22:56.41 | abrotman | mardak: depends what it is |
| 22:56.44 | eeyore- | abrotman: drive cycling is just the drive firmware doing it, no? |
| 22:57.03 | tansaku | chealer: which tells me one of these boxes might be testing or unstable - is there a simple way to check that? |
| 22:57.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: tis possible .. it does beep once though .. which i take to mean the memory counted fine |
| 22:57.08 | eeyore- | abrotman: even if you booted without the CPU, it'll still power up the IDE subsystem |
| 22:57.11 | daeos | abrotman: check your caps too, if there's bad caps, your cpu might be pulling too much for those caps to handle thus, no go... if they are bluging or oozing, get a new mobo |
| 22:57.16 | Thanatermesis | what is the problem then dererk ? :) |
| 22:57.17 | eeyore- | abrotman: ok, if it beeps, sure |
| 22:57.20 | abrotman | eeyore-: but i don't think it beeps |
| 22:57.36 | eeyore- | abrotman: if the board beeps, the CPU is alive enough :-) |
| 22:57.37 | chealer | tansaku: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 22:58.14 | eeyore- | daeos: ooh, exploding japanese ripoff capacitors |
| 22:58.17 | tansaku | chealer: thanks - indeed, one of them is on unstable ... that really helps |
| 22:58.17 | settd | is there some kind of netconfig command in debian? |
| 22:58.21 | daeos | eeyore-: yep |
| 22:58.38 | daeos | eeyore-: my BF-6 has a similar problem |
| 22:58.52 | eeyore- | computers are dangerous. you have exploding caps, disintegrating cdroms ... |
| 22:59.13 | eeyore- | then there's myspace.com |
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| 22:59.32 | settd | i have inet6 addr for my eth0 and I don't need it |
| 22:59.40 | settd | can't get it where does it come from |
| 23:00.00 | eeyore- | settd: disable kernel support for ipv6? |
| 23:00.09 | abrotman | bah .. can't find the stupid beep listing |
| 23:00.25 | settd | eeyore there should be some other fix |
| 23:00.45 | settd | iface eth0 inet static |
| 23:00.45 | settd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.54 | settd | i've got that in interfaces |
| 23:00.56 | eeyore- | whoops, my Xgl just crashed |
| 23:01.05 | settd | but eth0 only comes with inet6 adr |
| 23:01.16 | eeyore- | these past few days have been interesting |
| 23:01.25 | settd | why is that |
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| 23:03.56 | Thanatermesis | what is the problem then dererk ? :) |
| 23:04.10 | Thanatermesis | any person knows how to "launch the browser" (firefox) in thunderbird links ? |
| 23:04.26 | jordi_ | My hard disk currently looks like this: NTFS|Ext3|Swap, in that order. I want to shrink NTFS and use the free space for more ext3 goodness. Is it possible to do this? |
| 23:04.46 | Coweater | yes |
| 23:04.52 | dererk | Thanatermesis, Elive, that's a real problem xD |
| 23:05.02 | cureless | jordi_: possible yes, easy, no. |
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| 23:05.03 | Thanatermesis | dererk nah, i don't think :) |
| 23:05.09 | dererk | hehe |
| 23:06.03 | jordi_ | Coweater: In a transparent way? I don't want to have to create a new ext3 on the free space and then mount that on a special place in the filesystem. Someone elsewhere mentioned using lvm, which I'm not even sure if it's possible to do so right now. |
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| 23:06.26 | Thanatermesis | JordiGH ntfs es caca pudrida, nanu |
| 23:06.43 | JordiGH | Er, beg your pardon? |
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| 23:06.46 | Coweater | i don't think so |
| 23:06.56 | bbak282j2j | hi guys can someone tell me the comand to find recursively files which are larger then 2 gb |
| 23:07.35 | eeyore- | bbak282j2j: "man find" |
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| 23:08.07 | JordiGH | cureless, what solution did you have in mind, even if it's a difficult one? |
| 23:08.57 | cureless | JordiGH: resize NTFS, move ext3 somewhere else, move it, then resize it. |
| 23:09.21 | cureless | JordiGH: ext3 cannot be resized forward, only extended. |
| 23:09.53 | JordiGH | I didn't know you could move partitions... You don't mean "create a new ext3, copy everything from the old one into the new one"? |
| 23:10.27 | bwlang | i'm trying to come up with a name for our new server... other server names are flipper, lassie, gentleben any ideas? |
| 23:10.28 | settd | and the connection is damn slow |
| 23:10.36 | cureless | JordiGH: you can move, I didn't mean mv at filesystem level, I meant at parted leve. |
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| 23:10.39 | cureless | level. |
| 23:10.46 | nn-pirntsrv | i need some help |
| 23:11.14 | nn-pirntsrv | i need to try out a port to conect to my dsl |
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| 23:11.28 | JordiGH | Cool. Does parted move partitions? |
| 23:11.40 | gevaerts | bwlang: try http://labs.google.com/sets |
| 23:11.51 | bwlang | gevaerts: hey - good idea! |
| 23:12.10 | cureless | JordiGH: yes. |
| 23:12.22 | tansaku | what's the best way to check what versions of packages are in which releases? |
| 23:12.38 | k31th | taring will keep perms ? |
| 23:13.04 | nn-pirntsrv | ho is willing to play me on alantik at 141.158.246.123:5190 |
| 23:13.04 | JordiGH | cureless: I'm going to have to dig through manuals to figure out how to do this, aren't I? Will gparted, qtparted do it? |
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| 23:13.33 | JordiGH | k31th: It should, yes. |
| 23:13.41 | nn-pirntsrv | let me know if you can conect at chanel #110 |
| 23:14.32 | meriad | anyone here have an ASUS P4P800 mb? |
| 23:14.48 | JordiGH | I don't think it keeps ownership, though. That would be strange. |
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| 23:16.29 | nn-pirntsrv | ho is willing to play me on alantik at 141.158.246.123:5190 |
| 23:16.36 | bwlang | gevaerts: bummer - it just comes up with mr ed |
| 23:17.31 | JordiGH | What's that kangaroo... |
| 23:17.34 | JordiGH | The one that "talks"... |
| 23:17.39 | JordiGH | And saves Jimmy in the well. |
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| 23:18.08 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 23:18.13 | TuxMeister | what's this? Message from syslogd@localhost at Wed Mar 29 01:15:47 2006 ... |
| 23:18.14 | TuxMeister | localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 23:18.18 | JordiGH | Skippy the bush. |
| 23:18.23 | Thanatermesis | pss pss dererk, look... one TuxMeister |
| 23:18.28 | bwlang | JordiGH: i like it. |
| 23:18.39 | nn-pirntsrv | please i relly need to test this using alantik141.158.246.123:5190 |
| 23:18.47 | nn-pirntsrv | please i relly need to test this using alantik 141.158.246.123:5190 |
| 23:18.55 | JordiGH | bwlang: I'm not making this up. Google Skippy the Bush Kangaroo. |
| 23:19.06 | TuxMeister | MY PC BEEPS ALL THE TIME |
| 23:19.10 | TuxMeister | PLEASE WHAT'S THAT? |
| 23:19.23 | unity | TuxMeister, it means your processor is overheating |
| 23:19.28 | TuxMeister | SHIT |
| 23:19.31 | TuxMeister | poweroff |
| 23:19.33 | bwlang | TuxMeister: why don't you shout about it... |
| 23:19.44 | Thanatermesis | temperature ? |
| 23:19.44 | TuxMeister | sorry |
| 23:19.51 | bbak282j2j | hi guys i tried this find / +2147483647 -print to list files above 2gb |
| 23:19.54 | unity | TuxMeister, lighten the load on your cpu |
| 23:19.55 | bbak282j2j | but it does not seem to work |
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| 23:20.12 | bbak282j2j | is that correct ? i know if it does not work it is incorrect but can u point to what error i am making |
| 23:20.13 | Thanatermesis | unity, the problem of tuxmeister is a temperature problem ? |
| 23:20.28 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: I think so. P4 goes into throttling |
| 23:20.29 | unity | Thanatermesis, he said he got this message: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 23:20.33 | nn-pirntsrv | was any one able to connect |
| 23:20.36 | nn-pirntsrv | ???????? |
| 23:20.43 | unity | Thanatermesis, that happens when the temparature is above the threshold |
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| 23:20.54 | Thanatermesis | uh... ugly |
| 23:21.04 | wols_ | wbetter than the machine crashing |
| 23:21.08 | Thanatermesis | this is very bad for all type of data |
| 23:21.09 | Ugly | what! |
| 23:21.10 | JordiGH | bwlag: I'm going to have to thank my Australian girlfriend for Skippy. ;) |
| 23:21.21 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: no it's not |
| 23:21.21 | Thanatermesis | and for the cpu =) |
| 23:21.42 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 23:21.55 | tansaku | what's the best way to check what versions of packages are in which releases? |
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| 23:22.05 | Thanatermesis | tansaku apt-cache policy |
| 23:22.06 | wols_ | tansaku: packages.debian.org |
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| 23:22.32 | nguyen | dfs |
| 23:22.55 | Thanatermesis | how i look the SVG files ? :/ |
| 23:23.59 | resiak | inkscape? |
| 23:24.39 | tansaku | Thanatermesis: hmm, that doesn't tell me what version is in which release right? Just which version I have on my current system ... |
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| 23:24.54 | tansaku | wols_: ah, I think that's what I need - many thanks |
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| 23:25.06 | JosephSpiros | this is so weird, I have a machine on my network that is resolving ftp.us.debian.org to some strange ip that none of my other machines resolve it to |
| 23:25.26 | JosephSpiros | this is mostly causing an issue with apt, as it's getting 404 for required files |
| 23:25.30 | JosephSpiros | any ideas? :) |
| 23:25.32 | wols_ | tansaku: it would tell you if you had all 3 repositories in your sources.list (stable, testing, unstable) |
| 23:25.35 | avar | JosephSpiros: do dig ftp.us.debian.org a |
| 23:25.37 | wols_ | pdo works always to |
| 23:25.39 | Thanatermesis | tansaku availables, yes |
| 23:25.40 | wols_ | *tho |
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| 23:25.45 | avar | and then dig @the_primary_dns ftp.us.debian.org a |
| 23:25.51 | bwlang | now that i have then name right... etch is not finding my Adaptec AIC-8130 on board controller... anybody know what driver i need to load? |
| 23:25.56 | nn-pirntsrv | was any one able to connect |
| 23:26.10 | nn-pirntsrv | im dying to know |
| 23:26.21 | nn-pirntsrv | if i can serv |
| 23:26.22 | JosephSpiros | avar: mm, this machine seems to be hitting something that is in the zone |
| 23:26.47 | JosephSpiros | avar: though I'm still getting 404s for things like Packages (apt-get update) |
| 23:26.59 | JosephSpiros | avar: known issue with ftp.us perhaps? |
| 23:27.04 | tansaku | wols_/Thanatermesis: ah right - understood - many thanks |
| 23:27.07 | k31th | Anyone packaged up xen of debian ? |
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| 23:27.19 | avar | JosephSpiros: did you do the DNS dig ? |
| 23:27.21 | k31th | Or wish to ? |
| 23:27.55 | JosephSpiros | avar: yes, as I said, the IP this machine is resolving is indeed in that zone |
| 23:27.58 | wols_ | k31th: try backports perhaps. pr pdo anc check sid |
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| 23:28.21 | k31th | wols_: this needs to be a stable production server :p |
| 23:28.34 | wols_ | then there is none |
| 23:28.48 | k31th | wols_: perhaps i could build my own ? |
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| 23:29.05 | JosephSpiros | avar: it is resolving to saens.debian.org, the one I'm getting 404s from |
| 23:29.07 | wols_ | k31th: of course but: backports or roll your own, what's the difference? |
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| 23:29.35 | dererk | Thanatermesis, lol |
| 23:29.36 | JosephSpiros | avar: ahh, I think I see the problem |
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| 23:29.49 | k31th | wols_: the source install is not hard, I want a light base OS for xen... Im just worried when I do a apt-get upgrade I might nailed the OS... ? |
| 23:29.54 | JosephSpiros | avar: saens.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-sparc doesn't exist |
| 23:30.00 | bbak282j2j | find / -xdev -size +10000c -exec ls -l {}\; |
| 23:30.00 | bbak282j2j | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 23:30.02 | bbak282j2j | :( |
| 23:30.05 | k31th | its the only source compiled app i would have tho |
| 23:30.26 | wols_ | k31th: backports or compile your own makes absolutely no difference. your choice |
| 23:30.28 | JosephSpiros | avar: whereas it does exist on the host that ftp.us.debian.org resolves to on my other machines, namely... progeny's server |
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| 23:30.35 | thingfish | listen, I hang out here a lot but don't know a whole bunch. Is it risky to take kernel source from upstream, configure it, and make a new kernel for sarge? |
| 23:30.45 | wols_ | thingfish: not risky |
| 23:30.54 | phobienbuon | help |
| 23:30.59 | thingfish | cool, thanks wols |
| 23:31.05 | phobienbuon | #linshi |
| 23:31.06 | wols_ | debian is one of the best mainstram distros there since they never evre patch a lot of shit in vanilla kernel imho |
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| 23:31.30 | avar | JosephSpiros: crap out of sync |
| 23:31.33 | JordiGH | Wonder how long until Ubuntu takes away all of our userbase. :) |
| 23:31.35 | thingfish | what was it, that japanese guy on the super dave osborn show - he used to say, "Not dangerous - exciting!" |
| 23:31.41 | avar | JosephSpiros: just use something else, .de. or something |
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| 23:31.52 | thingfish | JordiGH: hah. never. |
| 23:31.55 | wols_ | JordiGH: never. at least not the people that mater |
| 23:32.03 | avar | JordiGH: I'm using ubuntu at work now;) |
| 23:32.10 | daeos | anyone want to help me tackle a postfix/mysql issue? |
| 23:32.19 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 23:32.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:32.29 | thingfish | JordiGH: people know quality from crap. Quality wins out every time, in the long run. |
| 23:32.31 | wols_ | daeos: it might give you some pointers in syslog perhaps? |
| 23:32.34 | wols_ | or mysql logs? |
| 23:32.45 | avar | thingfish: what's crap about ubuntu? |
| 23:32.49 | daeos | wols_: i followed that page you told me to read |
| 23:32.50 | k31th | JordiGH: I cant see that happening, I think they will co exsist... Ill use it on a desktop or to give to a new user but i woudlnt use it for a production server |
| 23:32.56 | avar | thingfish: as you seem to imply |
| 23:32.57 | JosephSpiros | avar: there is that solution, I suppose, though an interesting side comment is that I had this issue 2 days ago when I installed debian onto this system, so it seems strange it would be out of sync for so long, or coincidentally all the times I've tried to update |
| 23:33.03 | CervAnteZ | Hi all |
| 23:33.18 | azeem | avar, thingfish: Ubuntu vs. Debian discussions are not on topic here |
| 23:33.20 | daeos | wols_: and im down to where you connect to the mail server via telnet |
| 23:33.26 | thingfish | I tried ubuntu 5.10. I mean, I hit probably more unexpected system behavior in 20 minutes than I ever have in the time I've used sarge (which is since its release). |
| 23:33.31 | CervAnteZ | Is someone in here familiar with the evdev problems in recent sid xorg packages? |
| 23:33.37 | thingfish | azeem: sorry sorry sorry |
| 23:33.41 | daeos | wols_: and now im stuck where it hangs after i put in mail from: <mail@here.com> |
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| 23:33.42 | wols_ | daeos: best ask #üpstfox. but chris (the howto author) won't be here right now since it's 1:30 am for him. he's Utc+2 |
| 23:33.58 | JosephSpiros | avar: I don't know if you're with debian or not, but it may or may not be something to look into |
| 23:34.05 | daeos | upstfox ? |
| 23:34.11 | wols_ | daeos: is mail@here.com valid? I don't think so. use valid addresses |
| 23:34.16 | avar | JosephSpiros: I'm not, you probably want to file a bug in that bugtracking thingy |
| 23:34.17 | daeos | .... |
| 23:34.29 | daeos | the how to says to put in foobar |
| 23:34.34 | daeos | such as |
| 23:34.37 | thingfish | azeem: is it, on the other hand, acceptable to talk about how excellent Debian is? :) |
| 23:34.48 | thingfish | azeem: sorry, it's happy hour here. |
| 23:34.59 | thingfish | I will *really try* to be a good boy. |
| 23:35.02 | azeem | hey, no need to say sorry more than *once* |
| 23:35.04 | daeos | wols_: exact verbage is mail from:<test@workaround.org> |
| 23:35.05 | wols_ | daeos: yes but if it doesn't work with foobar, try a real one and send the mail to your gmail acc or such |
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| 23:35.24 | avar | azeem: How is a discussion on how debian compares to X not on topic? |
| 23:35.26 | wols_ | daeos: but workaround.org exists for crhis since it's his domain. so send it from YOUR domain |
| 23:35.27 | avont_ | thingfish: so what do i do? |
| 23:35.36 | daeos | ok |
| 23:35.39 | avont_ | my cd-rw drive and audio device worked in windows |
| 23:35.42 | azeem | avar: this is a support channel, not a general Debian vs. X channel |
| 23:35.48 | avont_ | when i had it |
| 23:35.50 | DevilChaos | !seen nn |
| 23:35.50 | dpkg | nn <n=nn@pool-141-158-246-123.phil.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 1h 46m 6s ago, saying: '??'. |
| 23:35.51 | wols_ | postfix doesn't like to always send mail with arbitrary FQDNs (open relays...) |
| 23:36.04 | thingfish | avont_: about what? about your sound card not being recognized? How am I supposed to know? You don't even know what your audio device is. |
| 23:36.20 | thingfish | and your system sure doesn't either. |
| 23:36.20 | DevilChaos | debian kicks ass !!!!!!!!! |
| 23:36.23 | JordiGH | Debian vs X? But isn't X Debian's sidekick? |
| 23:36.34 | MrNaz | DevilChaos yes, yes it does |
| 23:36.34 | thingfish | DevilChaos: Debian is swell! |
| 23:36.35 | wols_ | !start a distro war |
| 23:36.36 | dpkg | Kubuntu rocks! |
| 23:36.37 | avont_ | thingfish: i told you, its crystalwm, im pretty sure its crystalwm |
| 23:36.37 | JordiGH | Unless you're a cli purist I guess... |
| 23:36.46 | thingfish | avont_: oh yes, sorry. |
| 23:36.56 | daeos | wols_: ok |
| 23:37.04 | wols_ | avont_: then go to alsa-project.org and check how to config it. lspci -v is also a good idea |
| 23:37.09 | daeos | wols_: ill try it with my gmail account first |
| 23:37.12 | thingfish | avont_: go to alsa's site, see if you recognize your card among those listed in their database. |
| 23:37.24 | wols_ | daeos: send from your server TO your gmail |
| 23:37.25 | thingfish | darn, wols_ beat me to it. |
| 23:37.33 | wols_ | not from: your grmail |
| 23:38.26 | daeos | wols_: so you saying that telnetting and doing ehlo workaround.org then mail from:<test@workaround.org> |
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| 23:38.44 | JordiGH | !start an editor war |
| 23:38.44 | dpkg | vim blows |
| 23:38.47 | wols_ | daeos: NO. are you workaround.org? no you aren't |
| 23:39.07 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, how do I know if my system is really using the swap? |
| 23:39.12 | daeos | wols_: ok |
| 23:39.12 | wols_ | daeos: your mailserver has a domain name. use it |
| 23:39.17 | avont_ | wols: http://pastebin.com/627825 |
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| 23:39.19 | wols_ | SonnyBurnett: free |
| 23:39.57 | JordiGH | I prefer to run out of memory than using swap. |
| 23:39.58 | petemc | JordiGH: not enough ram |
| 23:40.08 | wols_ | avont_: if you have a builzt in mobo soundcard it's NOT crystal-whatever. it's AC97 aka i810 |
| 23:40.11 | JordiGH | petemc: And then everything freezes. |
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| 23:40.13 | wols_ | look it up un alspa-project |
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| 23:40.14 | SonnyBurnett | wols_, I'm cheking with free but swap used is always 0 (zero) |
| 23:40.23 | wols_ | SonnyBurnett: then none is used. be happy |
| 23:40.26 | petemc | JordiGH: no, it swaps |
| 23:40.26 | JordiGH | SonnyBurnett: So you're not using swap. |
| 23:40.27 | stew | JordiGH: if you let unused stuff get swapped out, it makes more room for disk cache, which should improve your system's performance |
| 23:40.52 | avont_ | oh, ok |
| 23:40.55 | SonnyBurnett | JordiGH, wols_ : I 'm not using swap... because of what? |
| 23:40.56 | avont_ | so now what wols? |
| 23:41.02 | daeos | wols_: still hangs |
| 23:41.06 | wols_ | SonnyBurnett: cause you have enough real memory duh! |
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| 23:41.20 | wols_ | daeos: dunno what it does, can't say. check logs |
| 23:41.22 | JordiGH | petemc: Only time I've ever used swap is when I'm stupid enough to let Octave manipulate gargantuan matrices... and then my system thrashes into unusability. |
| 23:41.43 | azeem | JordiGH: that doesn't mean other people don't need swap either |
| 23:41.50 | azeem | Swap: 732272 82512 649760 |
| 23:42.00 | SonnyBurnett | wols_, it is strange... cause yesterday when Ijust had 512MB of swap it was all used,,,, now that I resize to 2G it is never used |
| 23:42.13 | petemc | JordiGH: well, you always have to be careful letting Octave manipulate gargantuan matrices... |
| 23:43.00 | JordiGH | You used 512 mb of swap? Wasn't that awfully slow? |
| 23:43.04 | wols_ | SonnyBurnett: you are mistaken, unless you increased memory too |
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| 23:43.30 | avont_ | wols: who's the manufactuer of my soudcard (AC97 aka i81)? |
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| 23:43.42 | wols_ | avont_: i810. Intel is |
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| 23:43.55 | SonnyBurnett | wols_, I always had 1G of RAM.... My mistake was to create just 512Mb of RAM instead of 2G |
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| 23:44.16 | SonnyBurnett | wols_, I mean Swap |
| 23:44.17 | wols_ | SonnyBurnett: no it was not. what you say makes no sense |
| 23:44.31 | avont_ | ok, i found my card on the site |
| 23:44.34 | wols_ | if you talked about windows: maybe. that VM is fucked up. but not Linux |
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| 23:44.39 | SonnyBurnett | wols_, correcting: I always had 1G of RAM.... My mistake was to create just 512Mb of Swap instead of 2G |
| 23:44.40 | JordiGH | 2 G of swap is ridiculous. |
| 23:44.48 | wols_ | that too |
| 23:44.49 | sparr | anyone know where i can find help with imagemagick? (blasphemy, i know) |
| 23:44.51 | JordiGH | It's way too much. And not something you would ever want to use. |
| 23:45.06 | azeem | sparr: blasphemy? |
| 23:45.06 | avont_ | wols: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Intel#matrix |
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| 23:45.11 | avont_ | my chip diesn't match any of tem |
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| 23:45.15 | stew | JordiGH: sometimes its helpful to have an extra 2 gig partition around, and when you aren't using it, making it swap |
| 23:45.21 | SonnyBurnett | I've read that the ruler is: Swap=2*RAM |
| 23:45.28 | avont_ | those are i810 or 820 i just have i81 |
| 23:45.39 | wols_ | avont_: look harder and learn to read |
| 23:45.42 | sparr | azeem: sorry, i asked in #gimp :) |
| 23:45.46 | wols_ | avont_: no you don't |
| 23:46.08 | MrNaz | JordiGH i make a 4gb swap despite the fact that i have enough ram that it never gets used because a) HDD is cheap b) its emergency ram so that if ever the server *does* need it it'll at least go slowly instead of giving me OOM errors and dying |
| 23:46.26 | phobienbuon | hi |
| 23:46.49 | JordiGH | MrNaz: But if you ever did use it, the server would be slow enough to effectually be dead anyways... unless dem new hard drives are much faster than I realise. |
| 23:46.50 | avont_ | wols: waht do you mean, i81 is not on there, |
| 23:47.01 | phobienbuon | does anyone know how to configure keyboard shortcut in KDE 3.3.X |
| 23:47.02 | avont_ | is i81 the same as i810? |
| 23:47.08 | phobienbuon | does anyone know how to configure keyboard shortcut in KDE 3.3.X |
| 23:47.15 | azeem | JordiGH: oh come on |
| 23:47.16 | MrNaz | JordiGH yea i monitor my server for swap usage... the minute i see swap being used i add ram |
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| 23:47.22 | stew | JordiGH: no, that's not true, and its sometimes handy to have a spare partition around to debootstrap onto |
| 23:47.32 | azeem | JordiGH: you can use system which are swapping, it's a pain, but not like death |
| 23:47.38 | wols_ | avont_: cause you don't have a i81. read what I typed |
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| 23:47.49 | stew | JordiGH: Swap: 995988 292312 703676 <- using 300mb of swap and this machine is very fast |
| 23:47.54 | SonnyBurnett | MrNaz, how do you monitor your server for swap usage? |
| 23:48.04 | stew | JordiGH: Mem: 2068848 1878764 190084 0 337752 961764 <-- because look, its using 1gig of memory for disk cache, making it run faster |
| 23:48.05 | avont_ | oh, im such a dumb as noob |
| 23:48.10 | wols_ | stew: 512MB ram? |
| 23:48.15 | JordiGH | phobienbum: Control center, accessibility, keyboard shortcuts |
| 23:48.25 | phobienbuon | exitr |
| 23:48.27 | phobienbuon | exit |
| 23:48.45 | stew | wols_: no that server has 2gigs of real memory, and 1gig is being used for disk cache, i have 292MB of idle programs swapped out |
| 23:48.46 | MrNaz | SonnyBurnett at the moment, i just check cat /proc/swaps |
| 23:48.56 | avont_ | ok, my chip is on the site now what? |
| 23:49.05 | wols_ | stew: I rarely if ever manage to fill 1GB on mine |
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| 23:49.15 | wols_ | and the router runs on 256 without swap at all |
| 23:49.34 | phobienbuon | help |
| 23:49.36 | JordiGH | Oh, idle programs. Yes, that is useful swap. |
| 23:49.39 | azeem | that's great but it doesn't mean we should tell new users to not use swap |
| 23:49.40 | MrNaz | wols_ a router only box should be able to run on 16mb with no HDD at all |
| 23:49.41 | likeafox | x-chat |
| 23:49.55 | Cyorxamp | Can someone help me print? I have the drivers and that set up in CUPS. |
| 23:49.56 | azeem | phobienbuon: what do you need help for? |
| 23:49.57 | Cyorxamp | When I print something it gets classed as 'aborted' in the web admin page and when retrying it it just says client-error-not-possible |
| 23:49.58 | likeafox | wrong window, sorry |
| 23:49.59 | Cyorxamp | I set the config file LogLevel to debug2 and a copy of the log file can be found at http://cyorxamp.info/error_log.txt - Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
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| 23:50.21 | avont_ | wols: |
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| 23:50.27 | daeos | wols_: my log file is too big to sort, but I have a lot of warnings. |
| 23:50.44 | Dwonis | heh |
| 23:50.45 | avont_ | oh i see the dopcs |
| 23:50.49 | avont_ | docs* |
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| 23:51.32 | SonnyBurnett | Well my question about Swap usage was because I fell my system a little bit slow... and some apps are crashing an I suspect is cause I resized my swap yesterday |
| 23:51.44 | wols_ | daeos: then fix them perhaps. most probably postfix hangs on some DNS query or such |
| 23:52.18 | wols_ | you sure you're actually using that new swap? |
| 23:52.21 | wols_ | could be OOM errors |
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| 23:52.42 | eeyore- | SonnyBurnett: "apps are crashing" could be a number of things :-) |
| 23:52.46 | wols_ | SonnyBurnett: does free show 1GB swap available? |
| 23:52.49 | likeafox | tell likeafox about irc |
| 23:52.59 | wols_ | what does Swap total say? |
| 23:53.03 | falkon | Having a problem configuring the latest kernel: I try to do 'make menuconfig' and it exits saying 'scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory' |
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| 23:53.18 | avont_ | wols: modprobe command not found |
| 23:53.27 | falkon | Why would they release a source tarball that's missing files? |
| 23:53.36 | wols_ | avont_: you need to be root... |
| 23:53.54 | wols_ | falkon: maybe you haven't unpacked the tar.gz? |
| 23:53.56 | SonnyBurnett | I have 1G of RAM, and 2G of Swap, free shows 2G avaible of 2G of swap (used 0) |
| 23:54.07 | avont_ | oh |
| 23:54.11 | SonnyBurnett | wols_, I have 1G of RAM, and 2G of Swap, free shows 2G avaible of 2G of swap (used 0) |
| 23:54.17 | falkon | wols_: source tar is unpacked and symlinked to /usr/src/linux |
| 23:54.23 | phobienbuon | query fwd |
| 23:54.24 | daeos | wols_: sounds like fun, prehaps you don't mind looking over the logs or should i wait and ask Chris? on #upstfox ? |
| 23:54.25 | avont_ | i do the quickinstall directorions right? http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+AC97+audio.&chip=440MX%2C+i810%2C+i810E%2C+i820%2C+ICH4%2C+ICH5%2C+ICH6&module=intel8x0 |
| 23:54.30 | phobienbuon | query /fwd |
| 23:54.39 | wols_ | daeos: why "upstfox"? |
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| 23:54.57 | falkon | Having a problem configuring the latest kernel: I try to do 'make menuconfig' and it exits saying 'scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory' Why did this source come without needed files? |
| 23:55.02 | wols_ | !tell avont_ about alsa |
| 23:55.19 | daeos | wols_: you put that in there |
| 23:55.21 | wols_ | falkon: 99% it's a pebkac |
| 23:55.33 | eeyore- | newer kernels (2.6) are better than 2.4 about out of memory condition and/or kscand sucking up 100% cpu |
| 23:56.20 | descod | Hello, i am from colombia, i need that someone help me, about dv cam firewire! |
| 23:56.20 | falkon | wols_: and what does that solve? probably? most likely? that doesn't explain why a makefile that should have come with the source did not |
| 23:56.27 | wols_ | daeos: my own problems are usually at least 98% pebcak. it's normal |
| 23:56.54 | wols_ | falkon: nothing. but we can't solve anything for you with so few data. |
| 23:56.58 | JordiGH | ? |
| 23:57.00 | JordiGH | !lobotomy |
| 23:57.00 | dpkg | your wish is my command, jordigh |
| 23:57.11 | Dwonis | hah! |
| 23:57.15 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 23:57.27 | avont_ | wols: i typed modconf, and im in a menu, what example am i looking for? |
| 23:57.39 | JordiGH | !unlobotomy |
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| 23:57.48 | wols_ | falkon: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=linux-source-2.6.16&version=unstable&arch=all |
| 23:57.49 | avont_ | which driver |
| 23:58.01 | wols_ | have you unpacked the tar.bz2? properly? if yes: do it again |
| 23:58.08 | falkon | wols_: the problem is I got the linux kernel source... the full source from kernel.org, extracted it, and ran make menuconfig |
| 23:58.18 | wols_ | avont_: you read the docs and manuals. I will NOT walk you through it |
| 23:58.41 | falkon | wols_: wtf? why wasn't that in apt? |
| 23:58.42 | falkon | damn it |
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| 23:58.51 | wols_ | falkon: then it's exceeedingly unlikely you are missing any files. have you libncurses5-dev and build-essential installed? |
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| 23:58.57 | avont_ | am i running woody or sarge? |
| 23:58.58 | descod | how i do for inside my Debian run correctly my dv cam for firewire? |
| 23:59.02 | defy | how would one find the ./configure line used in a debian package? |
| 23:59.11 | wols_ | falkon: there is a difference between a debian kernel and a vanilla one. not big, but it's there |
| 23:59.15 | avont_ | woody or sarge? which one ami running? |
| 23:59.15 | JordiGH | defy: Find? |
| 23:59.22 | Dwonis | !tell defy -about debian/rules |
| 23:59.23 | wols_ | defy: in the debian source package the file "rules" |
| 23:59.24 | Cyorxamp | I need help printing, drivers are installed in CUPS and when I send a job in the CUPS web page it shows as aborted, when clicking resend it says client-error-not-possible. I set the CUPS config file LogLevel to debug2 and my error_log can be found at http://cyorxamp.info/error_log.txt - Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
| 23:59.31 | centrx | avont_, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:59.48 | defy | thanks :) |
