| 00:00.08 | wols_ | avont_: the debian version is irrelevant. the kernel version is important. uname -r |
| 00:00.37 | falkon | wols_: true. I didn't think there was a debian version of 2.6.16 out though |
| 00:00.37 | avont_ | alright |
| 00:00.39 | descod | anybody know how manage dv cam for firewire? |
| 00:00.45 | avont_ | it said if im running woody, don't bother running alsa |
| 00:00.47 | avont_ | it won't work |
| 00:01.24 | wols_ | falkon: sid |
| 00:01.27 | centrx | avont_, if you are running woody, you might consider upgrading |
| 00:01.43 | wols_ | avont_: as we told you before several times by now |
| 00:01.52 | avont_ | ok, im pretty sure i have sarge though, i sawe it while i was installing linux |
| 00:02.06 | wols_ | avont_: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 00:02.09 | wols_ | what version does it show? |
| 00:02.16 | falkon | wols_: bleh, i'll run it with etch |
| 00:02.45 | phobienbuon | !list |
| 00:02.45 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to phobienbuon@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 00:02.46 | wols_ | falkon: you _could: run the new kernel from sid with etch. kernels rarely make dependency probs |
| 00:03.13 | JordiGH | Heh, is !list a warez command? |
| 00:03.17 | falkon | exactly |
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| 00:03.22 | Dwonis | lol |
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| 00:03.24 | wols_ | JordiGH: fserve command |
| 00:03.35 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 00:03.48 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/627851 |
| 00:03.54 | falkon | man it got late fast |
| 00:03.57 | falkon | food is in order |
| 00:04.05 | avont_ | it says its 2.6 in terminal, and in etc/debian version, it say 3.1 |
| 00:04.27 | avont_ | 2.6xx i don't know the x's |
| 00:04.28 | avont_ | i forgot |
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| 00:04.37 | avont_ | or it might have been 2.8 |
| 00:04.46 | wols_ | avont_: what kernel do you run? |
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| 00:05.10 | avont_ | hold |
| 00:06.08 | avont_ | wols: 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 00:06.20 | wols_ | if it's a 2.6 one. all is fine. you seem to run sarge and 2.6 |
| 00:06.29 | avont_ | ok |
| 00:06.52 | descod | how i do configuration my dv cam firewire? |
| 00:07.02 | avont_ | k, im gonna try: * Run apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils and run alsaconf. |
| 00:07.08 | alexscott | descod, pv ? |
| 00:07.33 | Cyorxamp | I need help printing, drivers are installed in CUPS and when I send a job in the CUPS web page it shows as aborted, when clicking resend it says client-error-not-possible. I set the CUPS config file LogLevel to debug2 and my error_log can be found at http://cyorxamp.info/error_log.txt - Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
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| 00:07.47 | descod | alexscott: yes is pv gs 12 panasonic |
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| 00:08.57 | avont_ | how do i run alsaconfig? i search for it, and tried run app, and terminal |
| 00:09.01 | avont_ | how do i run alsaconfig |
| 00:09.11 | resiak | As root, `alsaconf` |
| 00:09.12 | JordiGH | So, as I understand it, I need to remove the journal from ext3 to make it ext2, resize ext2, and then add the journal again? |
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| 00:09.15 | stew | avont_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:09.40 | avont_ | 2.6 something |
| 00:09.47 | stew | avont_: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 00:09.52 | Dwonis | stew: 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 00:10.00 | avont_ | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 00:10.10 | avont_ | stew |
| 00:10.12 | avont_ | im reading the docs |
| 00:10.16 | avont_ | i have to run alsaconfig |
| 00:10.28 | avont_ | how do i run alsaconfig? |
| 00:10.36 | stew | avont_: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 00:10.42 | avont_ | ...oh |
| 00:10.48 | falkon | wtf, even the debian package for linux-source-2.6.16 gives errors when I do make menuconfig |
| 00:10.50 | descod | alexscot: i need register for i can to chat wiht you |
| 00:10.57 | falkon | how the hell can it work when it's missing files? |
| 00:10.58 | avont_ | in the docs they didn't say that, how did they assume we were supposed to know that |
| 00:11.15 | stew | falkon: put the exact errors in a pastebin /msg dpkg paster |
| 00:11.15 | sandman | Well, WoW is down. |
| 00:11.36 | falkon | first, I'm going to try it with 2.6.15 |
| 00:11.52 | avont_ | stew: then what? |
| 00:11.56 | stew | avont_: that's it |
| 00:12.07 | thingfish | avont_: you need to open a terminal and su to root, then type in the command of your choosing. |
| 00:12.09 | stew | avont_: run alsamixer, and unmute your sound |
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| 00:12.21 | falkon | THANK YOU, finally tells me I need ncurses-devel |
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| 00:12.28 | falkon | didn't know I didn't have it |
| 00:12.32 | eeyore- | avont_: alsa<tab><tab> |
| 00:12.35 | Dwonis | falkon: do you have libncurses5-dev installed? |
| 00:12.42 | falkon | let me see |
| 00:12.57 | avont_ | stew: ok, how do i unmute sound, why does everyone assume i know alsa commands, lol, how do i unmute sound |
| 00:13.04 | abrotman | ncurses5-dev |
| 00:13.15 | eeyore- | avont_: alsa<tab><tab>, again. 'alsamixer' |
| 00:13.32 | js_ | avont_: press m to unmute in alsamixer |
| 00:13.32 | avont_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 00:13.35 | stew | avont_: run alsamixer ; "m" will toggle wheter a channel is muted, and up and down errors for the volume |
| 00:13.43 | falkon | Dwonis: that's a negative, installing now |
| 00:13.47 | stew | avont_: did alsaconf detect your sound card? |
| 00:13.48 | avont_ | oh, wait |
| 00:13.50 | avont_ | lemme get in root |
| 00:14.11 | js_ | avont_: you dont need to be root for it, and the error would be different if you needed permissions for it |
| 00:14.13 | eeyore- | falkon: so you didn't know you need ncurses to compile kernel? (well, you only need it if you want to "make menuconfig") |
| 00:14.14 | js_ | avont_: alsa isnt loaded |
| 00:14.17 | Cyorxamp | I need help printing, drivers are installed in CUPS and when I send a job in the CUPS web page it shows as aborted, when clicking resend it says client-error-not-possible. I set the CUPS config file LogLevel to debug2 and my error_log can be found at http://cyorxamp.info/error_log.txt - Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
| 00:14.19 | avont_ | alright |
| 00:14.29 | eeyore- | falkon: just like you need Qt/gnome if you want "make xconfig" |
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| 00:14.39 | avont_ | there are three files, how do i open the alsaconfig, its right here in one of the three files |
| 00:14.40 | stew | avont_: "adduser avont audio" to give your user priveleges to the sound devices |
| 00:14.46 | falkon | eeyore-: I thought I had done a custom kernel on this box before, so I thought I had it |
| 00:14.53 | stew | avont_: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 00:15.03 | avont_ | ohh |
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| 00:15.26 | avont_ | i pressed m |
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| 00:15.29 | avont_ | it said command not foun |
| 00:15.34 | falkon | alsa needs to die |
| 00:15.39 | falkon | and OSS needs to get much much better |
| 00:15.45 | falkon | *sigh* |
| 00:15.49 | stew | falkon: ?!? why |
| 00:15.51 | avont_ | is it dpkg: m, or what |
| 00:15.57 | avont_ | i just typed mn |
| 00:16.01 | avont_ | m* |
| 00:16.02 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 00:16.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 00:16.06 | stew | ^^^ |
| 00:16.07 | avont_ | and itsaid command not found |
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| 00:16.19 | falkon | stew: they refuse to support certain hardware after user after user has posted up saying "ARGH WHY WON'T IT WORK" |
| 00:16.33 | stew | falkon: huh? |
| 00:16.36 | sandman | SVG vs. Flash |
| 00:16.40 | falkon | stew: and OSS emulation and it's non-working state |
| 00:16.53 | stew | falkon: in what way is oss emulation not working? |
| 00:16.54 | falkon | stew: external soundcards, extigy namely |
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| 00:16.57 | avont_ | i tytped alsamixer and it said: |
| 00:16.58 | avont_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 00:17.08 | stew | falkon: what about them? |
| 00:17.14 | avont_ | phh |
| 00:17.17 | avont_ | i skiped a step |
| 00:17.18 | avont_ | lol |
| 00:17.20 | avont_ | umm, |
| 00:17.34 | falkon | stew: I have not found anyone who has gotten it working correctly, and if I ask here, I'd jsut be told to ask in #alsa |
| 00:17.55 | falkon | I'm on the alsa-users group, and whenever someone asks an extigy question... no responses |
| 00:17.56 | avont_ | ok, i added myself to audio |
| 00:17.59 | stew | falkon: about which? oss emulation or extigy? |
| 00:18.08 | avont_ | now what? i typed alsamixer and got th same error |
| 00:18.12 | falkon | namely oss-emulation using the extigy |
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| 00:18.36 | stew | falkon: is alsa workign using the extigy? like does something that knows how to talk to alsa directly like xmms work? |
| 00:18.53 | falkon | stew: yes, xmms, xine, etc work fine |
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| 00:19.05 | stew | falkon: and you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 00:19.10 | avont_ | now what? i typed alsamixer and got th same error |
| 00:19.11 | Dwonis | falkon: on my machine, *nothing* can be using the sound device, or oss emulation won't work |
| 00:19.21 | avont_ | after i added myself to audio group |
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| 00:19.26 | falkon | falkon: yes it is loaded |
| 00:19.34 | stew | avont_: did alsaconf detect your card? |
| 00:19.35 | falkon | erer |
| 00:19.36 | falkon | alksjglkasjd |
| 00:19.45 | falkon | stew: sorry, lsmod shows it |
| 00:19.45 | Dwonis | avont_: type "groups". If you don't see "audio" in the list, re-login. |
| 00:20.02 | Dwonis | avont_: (That's only for a user. root should always have access) |
| 00:20.02 | stew | falkon: what is the output of "ls -l /dev/dsp" ? |
| 00:20.17 | stew | Dwonis: i'll bet he didn't even run alsaconf yet |
| 00:20.23 | avont_ | stew: i couldn't get into alsaconfig |
| 00:20.24 | falkon | stew: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-03-27 10:21 /dev/dsp |
| 00:20.28 | avont_ | i said it like 2 times |
| 00:20.33 | stew | avont_: why not? |
| 00:20.34 | falkon | and I'm a member of audio |
| 00:20.42 | avont_ | because i don't know the command to open alsaconfig |
| 00:20.49 | Cyorxamp | I need help printing, drivers are installed in CUPS and when I send a job in the CUPS web page it shows as aborted, when clicking resend it says client-error-not-possible. I set the CUPS config file LogLevel to debug2 and my error_log can be found at http://cyorxamp.info/error_log.txt - Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
| 00:20.55 | stew | avont_: for the 5th time /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 00:21.06 | Dwonis | !alsa one-liner |
| 00:21.07 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 00:21.08 | chungaroo | can someone walk me through getting X and fluxbox running on my fresh debian 3.1 install? |
| 00:21.21 | avont_ | stew: i did, its just tells me some stuff |
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| 00:21.23 | eeyore- | falkon: "id" |
| 00:21.31 | stew | avont_: what does it tell you? |
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| 00:21.43 | avont_ | now what? i typed alsamixer and got th same error |
| 00:21.45 | avont_ | oops |
| 00:21.46 | avont_ | hold on |
| 00:21.49 | falkon | Dwonis: ego? |
| 00:21.51 | avont_ | Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; |
| 00:21.52 | avont_ | Use dselect for user-friendly package management; |
| 00:21.55 | eeyore- | falkon: group permissions are not retroactive. if you log in, add yourself to audio, you won't magically get it. you have to log out and back in. group memberships are granted at login time. |
| 00:21.55 | Dwonis | stew: I think "it" refers to dpkg |
| 00:21.55 | avont_ | and some more stuff |
| 00:22.12 | azeem | avont_: paste the whole error message |
| 00:22.14 | azeem | !paster |
| 00:22.14 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 00:22.23 | falkon | eeyore-: I've been running alsa on this computer a while, I've logged in and out many times :) |
| 00:22.24 | avont_ | azeem: its not an error message |
| 00:22.30 | azeem | avont_: nobody can help you if you talk about "some more stuff" |
| 00:22.35 | stew | avont_: dpkg is a bot, we're trying to get you to read the instructions from the bot, watch: |
| 00:22.36 | avont_ | dpkg: need an action option |
| 00:22.39 | centrx | chungaroo, are they installed? |
| 00:22.42 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 00:22.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 00:22.44 | stew | avont_: ^^^^ |
| 00:22.51 | eeyore- | falkon: what's your problem? |
| 00:23.20 | stew | falkon: what happens when you try to use /dev/dsp? do you get an error or just no output? |
| 00:24.04 | eeyore- | falkon: extigy is a usb-audio sound device, right? so ... |
| 00:24.20 | falkon | stew: you have to understand, since the extigy is a USB sound card, /dev/dsp is most likely assigned to the built-in maestro3 card |
| 00:24.34 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/627880 |
| 00:24.45 | stew | falkon: does it work without the drivers for the internal card loaded? |
| 00:24.46 | azeem | avont_: read what stew said |
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| 00:25.05 | avont_ | i told you, everytime i run alsamixer i get the error: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 00:25.16 | stew | avont_: because you haven't run alsaconf yet |
| 00:25.17 | chungaroo | i'm having some trouble configuring my xserver. it says multiple video cards detected and that it wants the BusID of the video card |
| 00:25.19 | falkon | stew: errr I use drivers made for the extigy, but I'm not sure if they're utilized by alsa or OSS |
| 00:25.22 | azeem | avont_: dpkg told you to run alsaconf, not alsaconfig |
| 00:25.29 | avont_ | oh |
| 00:25.33 | DAaaMan64 | does anyone know what version of jre is supposed to be in the repositories? I am having a real hard time upgrading. |
| 00:25.37 | azeem | avont_: please pay attention |
| 00:25.47 | stew | DAaaMan64: apt-cache showpkg java-runtime |
| 00:25.48 | falkon | stew: quick question, is preempting only for SMP [multiprocessors] |
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| 00:25.59 | dhuv | hello all |
| 00:26.06 | stew | falkon: no |
| 00:26.08 | chungaroo | i'm having some trouble configuring my xserver. it says multiple video cards detected and that it wants the BusID of the video card |
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| 00:26.20 | falkon | stew: I set that option to 'preemptible' |
| 00:26.25 | abrotman | chungaroo: do you have two cards? or a dualhead card? |
| 00:26.26 | avont_ | ok, im in alsaconfig |
| 00:26.45 | eeyore- | chungaroo: lspci -n; lspci -v |
| 00:26.45 | stew | falkon: if you have more than one card loaded the oss emulation for the external card could be /dev/dsp1 |
| 00:26.55 | dhuv | I am having a problem with my sound driver. Kde says that there was an error loading the sound driver. I sometimes get errors from xmms about how it cannot get a hold of the device because something else might be using it |
| 00:27.09 | avont_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.09 | avont_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.09 | avont_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.17 | avont_ | yes/no? |
| 00:27.20 | DAaaMan64 | stew: no version is shown, I think this all comes down to having low speed dsl. |
| 00:27.20 | Cyorxamp | I need help printing, drivers are installed in CUPS and when I send a job in the CUPS web page it shows as aborted, when clicking resend it says client-error-not-possible. I set the CUPS config file LogLevel to debug2 and my error_log can be found at http://cyorxamp.info/error_log.txt - Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
| 00:27.21 | dhuv | does anybody know how I can troubleshoot this? I see modules loaded when I do lsmod | grep snd |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | pasters suck! |
| 00:27.31 | falkon | stew: hmm, I think I need to do more testing on this then. Currently the only real problem is no sound from flash files in firefox |
| 00:27.34 | eeyore- | avont_: what card is this/ |
| 00:27.38 | chungaroo | abrotman, it's a laptop with integraded vid |
| 00:27.43 | stew | DAaaMan64: that should show you sablevm, several versions of kaffe, gij,... |
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| 00:27.50 | abrotman | chungaroo: try leaving it blank |
| 00:27.51 | avont_ | i forgot |
| 00:27.53 | avont_ | its onboard |
| 00:27.54 | eeyore- | chungaroo: so? lspci -n |
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| 00:28.14 | stew | falkon: if you don't wish to use the internal card then just don't load drivers for it |
| 00:28.14 | abrotman | chungaroo: lspci | grep -i vga .. do you have two ? |
| 00:28.18 | avont_ | so yes or no stew? |
| 00:28.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: make me a french dip! |
| 00:28.35 | falkon | stew: I've tried blacklisting it, no such luck |
| 00:28.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: wouldn't you rather dip a french? |
| 00:28.42 | yador | hey mac |
| 00:28.42 | avont_ | stew: yes or no? |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | yes and no .. i'm darn hungry :) |
| 00:28.47 | stew | falkon: how did you try to blacklist it? what version of debian are you using? |
| 00:28.48 | nobley | dmesg says my network card is "eth0: NE2000 Compatible: io 0x300, irq 9, hw_addr 00:39:f1:03:23:03" yet it isnt in the /dev dir, is there anyway I can manually put a link there to it? |
| 00:29.05 | abrotman | it never is |
| 00:29.08 | chungaroo | abrotman, it gave me a set of numbers and the name of the card |
| 00:29.11 | eeyore- | nobley: wrong concept |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | chungaroo: just one ? |
| 00:29.23 | eeyore- | nobley: /dev has no real correlation with what may or may not be in your computer |
| 00:29.24 | avont_ | stew: yes or no which one? |
| 00:29.29 | Dwonis | nobley: network devices are one of the few things that are almost never in /dev |
| 00:29.29 | chungaroo | abrotman, yes |
| 00:29.33 | azeem | avont_: don't harass people |
| 00:29.38 | thingfish | I wish I had some chicken livers to cook. |
| 00:29.43 | eeyore- | nobley: try loading the driver for it (modprobe ne2k, or modprobe ne2k_pci, check the names) |
| 00:29.46 | avont_ | sorry |
| 00:29.48 | chungaroo | abrotman, but it tells me it can't autodetect my video because i have more than one, but i don't |
| 00:29.48 | azeem | avont_: read the documentation if nobody can help you, or make your own decisions |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | chungaroo: then leave that question field blank .. and the one about RAM |
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| 00:29.54 | avont_ | ok |
| 00:29.55 | eeyore- | nobley: find /lib/modules -name "ne*" |
| 00:29.57 | avont_ | i'll pick no |
| 00:30.06 | chungaroo | abrotman, cool, i'll let you know how it works out |
| 00:30.13 | chungaroo | abrotman, thanks! |
| 00:30.19 | falkon | stew: I believe I'm using etch, and I stuck the module name in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 00:30.23 | nobley | I think the drivers loaded though, just have no idea how to access the device |
| 00:30.23 | abrotman | maybe he should `lspci` and paste the results so you guys can see if he even has an audio card .. at all |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | chungaroo: ok . but don't shoot me if it doesn't work! :) |
| 00:30.39 | avont_ | ok |
| 00:30.41 | avont_ | i have to pick yes |
| 00:30.42 | eeyore- | abrotman: people seem to not want to do lspci for some reason |
| 00:30.42 | stew | falkon: do you have udev installed? |
| 00:30.48 | DAaaMan64 | is there anyone who installed JRE 1.5 via apt? |
| 00:30.51 | eeyore- | abrotman: didn't i tell the chungaroo guy like twice? |
| 00:30.53 | thingfish | he already did that, and no, none is recognized. |
| 00:30.55 | abrotman | eeyore-: some people can't follow instructions anyways |
| 00:31.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: he swears he only has one video card |
| 00:31.10 | falkon | stew: yes |
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| 00:31.12 | abrotman | chungaroo: is it a Mac? |
| 00:31.15 | eeyore- | abrotman: i still want to see the chip id's :-) |
| 00:31.16 | stew | DAaaMan64: if you are looking for a sun java, debian cannot legally distribute one |
| 00:31.36 | stew | DAaaMan64: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 00:31.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: it's probably a dualhead chip, maybe something like a neomagic |
| 00:31.37 | avont_ | ok, i see a bunch of drivers , liike soundblaster 16, yamaha OPLxxxx, so which one do i choose? |
| 00:31.42 | stew | falkon: then you don't even have hotplug, you should be blacklisting drivers in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 00:31.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: in a laptop ? |
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| 00:31.52 | eeyore- | abrotman: where the panel is different from the vga-out, yes |
| 00:31.58 | abrotman | that's just stupid! |
| 00:31.58 | avont_ | probe all of them? |
| 00:32.04 | DAaaMan64 | stew: ahhh, well I am trying to solve the dumb dependencies but the debendencies are seemingly not solving when I try to install the rpm. |
| 00:32.05 | falkon | stew: that makes much more sense hi hi |
| 00:32.11 | eeyore- | abrotman: some neomagic can drive the external port independently of the panel |
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| 00:32.16 | stew | DAaaMan64: don't install the rpm |
| 00:32.17 | Cyorxamp | I need help printing, drivers are installed in CUPS and when I send a job in the CUPS web page it shows as aborted, when clicking resend it says client-error-not-possible. I set the CUPS config file LogLevel to debug2 and my error_log can be found at http://cyorxamp.info/error_log.txt - Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | neomagic sucks! |
| 00:32.21 | azeem | avont_: if it's onboard, and your mainboard is less than 5 years old, it is PCI |
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| 00:32.27 | azeem | avont_: so you wouldn't need to probe stuff |
| 00:32.34 | thingfish | avont_: just do lspci | grep audio |
| 00:32.39 | abrotman | -i ! |
| 00:32.42 | eeyore- | -i |
| 00:32.43 | DAaaMan64 | stew: I am trying the one off of java.com, is this what you are refering to? |
| 00:32.48 | avont_ | well i picked no, it took my back to the prompt |
| 00:32.49 | thingfish | azeem: I think it's a 440BX |
| 00:32.51 | rabies | Is there a way to block Nessus detecting a computer via port scanning or OS identification? |
| 00:33.06 | eeyore- | rabies: unplug your computer |
| 00:33.08 | stew | DAaaMan64: you don't want the rpm, you want the non-rpm self-extracting one, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 00:33.12 | rabies | eeyore-: heh, short of that |
| 00:33.14 | chungaroo | ok, i finished the config wizard for the xserver and i tried doing startx and it says command not found |
| 00:33.19 | eeyore- | rabies: power it off |
| 00:33.26 | rabies | eeyore-: with the computer ON |
| 00:33.28 | Dwonis | rabies: disconnect the network cable |
| 00:33.31 | abrotman | chungaroo: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 00:33.33 | rabies | Dwonis: and connected to the internet |
| 00:33.35 | eeyore- | rabies: or just firewall off the offending parties |
| 00:33.40 | avont_ | thinkfish: ok, i did that now what? |
| 00:33.44 | rabies | eeyore-: but i dunno how Nessus works |
| 00:33.44 | azeem | chungaroo: install xutils or xbase-clients or so to get starts |
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| 00:33.48 | azeem | startx, rather |
| 00:33.49 | Dwonis | rabies: I really wouldn't worry about it. |
| 00:33.50 | eeyore- | rabies: but 'in general' you don't know who's using nessus |
| 00:33.58 | avont_ | just loggoff and logon again,and then i can unmute the things? |
| 00:34.08 | Dwonis | rabies: You leak that information by other means anyway (like, every time you load a web page) |
| 00:34.12 | eeyore- | rabies: so just set your firewall rule to 'default deny' and live happily ever after |
| 00:34.20 | abrotman | firewall? |
| 00:34.26 | rabies | ... |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:34.49 | thingfish | avont_: earlier you posted a message asking if the app should probe for ISA cards. What did you choose? |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | thingfish: gone! |
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| 00:34.57 | rabies | Dwonis: well im trying to not leak it, heh |
| 00:35.06 | chungaroo | which windowmanager/desktop does anyone recomend? i've used gnome which i feel is clunky.. |
| 00:35.06 | eeyore- | quick! someone ban him :-) |
| 00:35.15 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's your department :) |
| 00:35.19 | Yale | tried searching, is there any gnome-base like package? |
| 00:35.23 | eeyore- | abrotman: no! it's most definitely not! |
| 00:35.25 | Dwonis | rabies: Don't bother. If you need to ask here, you will fail anyway =) |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | !wm |
| 00:35.25 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. http://xwinman.org/ |
| 00:35.30 | stew | thingfish: he thinks your "lspci | grep audio" fixed everything, and now he's loggin out and back in so that he can unmute his volume |
| 00:35.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: coincidentally, i have to find an IRC proxy |
| 00:35.34 | abrotman | chungaroo: see that last URL |
| 00:35.41 | abrotman | eeyore-: have to find ? |
| 00:35.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: because without irc proxy, i have to use bx from this machine out in the dmz |
| 00:35.57 | abrotman | eeyore-: irssi ? |
| 00:35.58 | thingfish | stew: I really really hope not. lord jesus how do I get into these messes. |
| 00:36.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: well if i want to use xchat or some other shit |
| 00:36.07 | eeyore- | abrotman: i suppose i could do irssi |
| 00:36.11 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 00:36.12 | stew | thingfish: don't blame yourself, i think he's a lost cause |
| 00:36.22 | JordiGH | Dear me.... "error reading inode ".... |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | eeyore-: i think there's a way to use bttlebee and xchat |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | damn him! |
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| 00:36.48 | abrotman | thingfish: probably has something to do with living in st loius ? |
| 00:36.52 | beardy | WHat a bitch. |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | i am! |
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| 00:36.58 | chungaroo | would things generally work the same way, like installing packages, in fluxbox for instance as they would in gnome? |
| 00:37.01 | Yale | tried searching, is there any gnome-base like package? |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 00:37.08 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 00:37.10 | thingfish | abrotman: I live in Kansas City. Ask earthlink why it says st. louis. |
| 00:37.21 | Yale | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:37.22 | Dwonis | JordiGH: Real Debian users have no need for bloat like "inodes" |
| 00:37.22 | abrotman | thingfish: oh yeah .. i forgot |
| 00:37.24 | thingfish | abrotman: but anyway, yes. :) |
| 00:37.31 | thingfish | it still applies. |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | chungaroo: sure ... |
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| 00:37.52 | abrotman | heheh |
| 00:37.56 | Dwonis | hah! |
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| 00:38.02 | abrotman | thingfish: LOOK! |
| 00:38.03 | avont_ | it still didn't work |
| 00:38.05 | avont_ | please help |
| 00:38.12 | DAaaMan64 | stew: what should I be getting from java-package? I keep getting "No matching plugin was found. |
| 00:38.12 | DAaaMan64 | " |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | !inode |
| 00:38.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, inode is the basic unit of disk allocation for Unix filesystems. about 64 nybbles |
| 00:38.16 | thingfish | avont_: I fear you misunderstood. |
| 00:38.20 | beardy | avar: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:38.20 | besonen | what package contains dig? |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | no! .. never! |
| 00:38.24 | avont_ | wha :(:(:( |
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| 00:38.28 | abrotman | besonen: /msg dpkg search |
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| 00:38.30 | eeyore- | how's now? |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: feel better? |
| 00:38.36 | avont_ | thingfish: so what do i do now? |
| 00:38.39 | eeyore- | abrot: i suppose |
| 00:38.41 | stew | DAaaMan64: what is the name of the file you got from sun? |
| 00:38.43 | xulf | anyone own a layer3 3com switch? |
| 00:38.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: hit tab FFS! |
| 00:38.48 | avont_ | howdoio get this salsamixer thing working |
| 00:38.49 | jvw | abrotman: erm, dpkg is totally confused about what an inode is... |
| 00:38.55 | DAaaMan64 | stew: jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586-rpm.bin |
| 00:38.57 | thingfish | avont_: what do you think I just told you to do, and what did you do? |
| 00:38.59 | abrotman | jvw: i noticed .. |
| 00:39.02 | avont_ | omg |
| 00:39.04 | abrotman | !factinfo inode |
| 00:39.05 | dpkg | inode -- last modified at Fri Jun 20 12:10:09 2003 by cafuego!~cafuego@Fsck.Dubya.Fsck.him.with.a.big.rubber.ducky.ipv6.cafuego.net; it has been requested 17 times, last by Pappa at Tue Jun 14 07:41:58 2005. |
| 00:39.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm used to just typing : |
| 00:39.06 | avont_ | i DID |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | jvw: blame cafuego! |
| 00:39.15 | JordiGH | !inode |
| 00:39.16 | dpkg | inode is, like, the basic unit of disk allocation for Unix filesystems. about 64 nybbles |
| 00:39.16 | avont_ | thingfish: and it jsut took my back to prompt |
| 00:39.18 | avont_ | i told u |
| 00:39.24 | stew | 19:34 < stew> DAaaMan64: you don't want the rpm, you want the non-rpm self-extracting one, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 00:39.37 | JordiGH | Oh, sorry, didn't read that. |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | peterS: guess what .. it's still sunday! :) |
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| 00:39.48 | avont_ | anyone? please help |
| 00:39.55 | Dwonis | indeed |
| 00:39.56 | k31th | Wat would you guys use to tar up 40 gigs of dirs & files ? bzip2 ? |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | avont_: does your X work ? |
| 00:40.02 | DAaaMan64 | stew: I have java-package installed... Let me trying something else. Thanks. |
| 00:40.03 | avont_ | umm, yes i am on it now |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | k31th: tar ... |
| 00:40.13 | eeyore- | abrotma: i'm still getting used to it |
| 00:40.14 | beardy | avont_: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:40.17 | avont_ | omg |
| 00:40.21 | jvw | dpkg: no, inode is a filesystem entry: a file, a directory, or some other item |
| 00:40.21 | dpkg | jvw: okay |
| 00:40.22 | thingfish | avont_: how's this. go spend $15-20 on a sblive card and pop it in that box of yours. |
| 00:40.22 | abrotman | avont_: paste your `lspci && lspci -n` in a pastebin and show us |
| 00:40.26 | jvw | !inode |
| 00:40.26 | avont_ | i have to explain all over (cries) |
| 00:40.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, inode is a filesystem entry: a file, a directory, or some other item |
| 00:40.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: waaa. i want tab complete on ":" back |
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| 00:40.28 | stew | DAaaMan64: you aren't paying attention, try reading /usr/share/doc/java-package/* |
| 00:40.34 | avont_ | i have to get this alsamixer to work so i can have sound |
| 00:40.34 | thingfish | avont_: problem solved. |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: on : ? |
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| 00:40.53 | paccer | can anyone point me in the right direction of making a dynamic motd? |
| 00:40.54 | thingfish | avont_: if you have money, you can fix anything. |
| 00:40.54 | eeyore- | abrotman: without having to press tab |
| 00:41.03 | eeyore- | abrot: just type <few letters>: |
| 00:41.04 | DAaaMan64 | stew: I am paying attention, I just don't know how to do some of this stuff. |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: oh .. maybe a plugin/module ? |
| 00:41.19 | besonen | abrotman: i don't understand how to execute that dpkg search command. can you offer me a bit more help? |
| 00:41.23 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i make my samba not authenticate public access share i have public=yes but its still prompting me for pass' |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | guess you're not DAaaMan after all :) |
| 00:41.28 | eeyore- | s'okay, i'll live :-) as long as it doesn't kick indiscriminately |
| 00:41.29 | k31th | abrotman: im doing tar c dir/ | bzip2 > dir.tar.bz2 |
| 00:41.31 | avont_ | alright, i already know what to do, its jsut that the alsamixer is not working |
| 00:41.32 | beardy | !tell besonen -about search |
| 00:41.37 | abrotman | besonen: what are you looking for again ? |
| 00:41.39 | avont_ | i typed "alsamixer" |
| 00:41.41 | avont_ | and it doens't work |
| 00:41.44 | avont_ | i got an error |
| 00:41.46 | abrotman | avont_: paste your `lspci && lspci -n` in a pastebin and show us |
| 00:41.46 | abrotman | avont_: paste your `lspci && lspci -n` in a pastebin and show us |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | LOOK |
| 00:41.51 | DAaaMan64 | dude, I have this un, because It was my first un on AOL 4.0 :p |
| 00:41.52 | abrotman | DO IT |
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| 00:42.01 | k31th | its taking a long time to tar up 40gigs on this celeron D 2.5ghz |
| 00:42.02 | Dwonis | k31th: bzip2 needs the -c flag |
| 00:42.03 | abrotman | DAaaMan64: sorry .. not you :) |
| 00:42.04 | beardy | avont_: Do what abrotman said. |
| 00:42.18 | k31th | Dwonis: well its runng? |
| 00:42.28 | abrotman | besonen: what are you looking for again ? |
| 00:42.30 | stew | DAaaMan64: get the same version of that file that is NOT the rpm version and try again |
| 00:42.39 | k31th | Dwonis: wat does -c do ? |
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| 00:42.42 | besonen | dig |
| 00:42.45 | eeyore- | dwon: eh? |
| 00:42.47 | abrotman | !find bin/dig sarge |
| 00:42.48 | nn-ds | hi |
| 00:42.48 | DAaaMan64 | stew: when you say use that directory do you mean do this: make-jpkg /usr/share/doc/java-package/* |
| 00:42.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (6): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/var/list/.bin/digest) in mail/smartlist ;; (/usr/share/tomcat4/bin/digest.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat4 ;; (/usr/bin/{digitemp_DS2490|digitemp_DS9097|digitemp_DS9097U}) in electronics/digitemp. |
| 00:42.59 | besonen | thanks |
| 00:43.01 | DAaaMan64 | stew: I am downloading the bin file. self-extracting. |
| 00:43.01 | chungaroo | i'm trying to install firefox but apt-get can't find it |
| 00:43.02 | stew | DAaaMan64: no, read the documentation in there |
| 00:43.11 | abrotman | besonen: the better way .. apt-get install apt-file .. apt-file update .. apt-file search bin/dig |
| 00:43.13 | Dwonis | k31th: bzip2 --help |
| 00:43.20 | abrotman | besonen: in dnsutils |
| 00:43.35 | eeyore- | Dwonis: you'd hope he "tar -cvjf ... ..." |
| 00:43.42 | besonen | thanks abrotman |
| 00:43.44 | k31th | taking ages to tar this lot tho :p |
| 00:43.53 | beardy | chungaroo: Don't guess at package names. /msg dpkg search |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 00:44.07 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 00:44.08 | k31th | eeyore-: by he do you mean me ? |
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| 00:44.15 | Dwonis | k31th: open another terminal and "ls -l dir.tar.bz2" ... is the size non-zero? |
| 00:44.20 | eeyore- | k31th: yep. i don't think you're doing anything wrong. |
| 00:44.21 | jvw | DAaaMan64: just read /u/s/d/java-package/README.Debian first |
| 00:44.35 | abrotman | i don't have a /u/ |
| 00:44.36 | k31th | Dwonis: it works. |
| 00:44.45 | k31th | Dwonis: and yes its none 0 |
| 00:44.53 | DAaaMan64 | stew: so when it downloads I am going to do a "make-jpkg (jrename).bin" |
| 00:44.56 | jvw | abrotman: ln -s usr u |
| 00:45.01 | Dwonis | !thwap abrotman |
| 00:45.03 | jvw | abrotman: no excuse |
| 00:45.07 | abrotman | jvw: but the /usr/s/ .. share or src?!?!?1 |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | or sbin |
| 00:45.20 | avont_ | http://pastebin.com/627913 |
| 00:45.33 | jvw | bon appetit |
| 00:45.49 | abrotman | thingfish: find an audio device there .. i dare you :) |
| 00:46.04 | k31th | Laterz guys |
| 00:46.42 | Dwonis | heh |
| 00:46.45 | stew | jvw: hmm, should the java-package README.Debian mention fakeroot? |
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| 00:46.53 | falkon | stew: woah red flag here |
| 00:46.58 | Dwonis | abrotman: you touched that stuff with your _hands_?? |
| 00:46.59 | DAaaMan64 | stew: I read about fakeroot |
| 00:47.30 | falkon | stew: menuconfig running, saying OSS is DEPRECATED and alsa support is in there |
| 00:47.33 | DAaaMan64 | stew: I think I know well what to do now, as soon as the file downloads, I think I am good. Thanks. |
| 00:47.42 | falkon | stew: so, should I just leave out OSS and go ALSA? |
| 00:47.46 | jvw | stew: it says to man make-jpkg, and it has interactive help about that |
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| 00:47.57 | stew | jvw: ok, good enough |
| 00:48.01 | beardy | Dwonis: Where is your better ISA support package? |
| 00:48.14 | jvw | stew: also, the etch version should ultimately just be able to invoke fakeroot itself |
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| 00:48.22 | jvw | stew: so that people don't need to worry at all |
| 00:48.26 | sandman | Is there any reason why dchroot /home/etch chroots properly, but does not read /etc/debian_chroot? |
| 00:48.29 | stew | jvw: ok cool |
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| 00:48.48 | JordiGH | Er, gparted says that converting ext2 to ext3 destroys all data in it. And won't let me move the ext3 partition. |
| 00:48.49 | sandman | It should say (etch)newt@debian:/$ |
| 00:48.54 | daeos | im trying to figure out how to use syslog, what does it do? |
| 00:48.55 | abrotman | Dwonis: i used to use it a lot |
| 00:48.57 | sandman | But instead it just says newt@debian:/$. |
| 00:48.57 | Dwonis | beardy: I'm not talking about the package so much as the technique... poke around random areas of memory and hope you don't bump into something |
| 00:49.01 | stew | falkon: yes, there is rarely a reason to choose oss over alsa, especially not for newer cards and especially not for your extigy, the alsa drivers are far more extensive, and yes, oss is deprecated in favor of alsa |
| 00:49.12 | pipeline | JordiGH: Uh, converting ext2 to ext3 is a tune2fs flag :P |
| 00:49.18 | jvw | sandman: why would it read /etc/debian_chroot? |
| 00:49.24 | stew | falkon: you should, however include alsa's oss emulation becuase many apps expect to talk to /dev/dsp |
| 00:49.27 | JordiGH | pipeline: That's what I thought. So is gparted being paranoid? |
| 00:49.28 | Dwonis | I remember configuring a modem using isapnp |
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| 00:49.39 | jvw | sandman: I use dchroot, but have no such file |
| 00:49.39 | abrotman | JordiGH: because it's probably going to reformat it |
| 00:49.40 | Dwonis | it actually worked fairly well, considering |
| 00:49.50 | sandman | jvw: Check /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 00:49.57 | falkon | stew: yeah, I just didn't expect it to call OSS "Deprecated" |
| 00:50.13 | Dwonis | heh... I remember when isapnp in Linux was new... |
| 00:50.25 | jvw | sandman: ah... well, maybe you're not starting an interactive bash shell? |
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| 00:50.40 | pipeline | JordiGH: gparted doesn't do what you think it does |
| 00:50.42 | jvw | sandman: cool btw, didn't know about that |
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| 00:50.51 | eeyore- | jordig: tune2fs -j /dev/..., unmount the device first else you get ugly ".journal" or some such |
| 00:50.54 | DAaaMan64 | Led sucks Pink Floyd is way better :p |
| 00:50.57 | eeyore- | JordiGH: ^^ |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | !tell eeyore- about nicktab |
| 00:51.15 | avont_ | abrotman: so what do i do? |
| 00:51.16 | Led_Zeppelin | DAaaMan64: aaa its relative. |
| 00:51.26 | jvw | sandman: does it work with bash -l? |
| 00:51.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm getting used to it :-) |
| 00:51.28 | JordiGH | eeyore-: I was going to follow the instructions here: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1928205,00.asp |
| 00:51.28 | abrotman | avont_: buy a PCI sound card |
| 00:51.35 | JordiGH | Do they seem reliable? |
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| 00:51.48 | eeyore- | JordiGH: don't know, don't care. tune2fs -j works. |
| 00:51.49 | avont_ | i have a sound card, its on board, and it worked fine wwhen i was on windows |
| 00:51.50 | beardy | !tell avont_ -about alsa 2.6 |
| 00:51.54 | avont_ | OMOFGH@D@@@#$!#Q%@TWR^Ly[ |
| 00:51.55 | avont_ | w54pj |
| 00:51.55 | avont_ | y |
| 00:51.59 | avont_ | i know about alsa |
| 00:52.04 | avont_ | im going in a big ass fuckin circle |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | avont_: and i'm not joking .. go to a computer show in DC or something .. get an old ess1371 card for $5 |
| 00:52.16 | eeyore- | JordiGH: it's 'extreme' tech, so it's probably extremely right :-) |
| 00:52.23 | avont_ | NOOOOO!! my sund worked perfectly in windows |
| 00:52.25 | ugarit | my log in /var/log are not rotating how do I fix that? |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | beardy: it's isapnp |
| 00:52.41 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 00:52.41 | dpkg | well, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 00:52.44 | abrotman | avont_: ^^^ |
| 00:52.44 | jvw | ugarit: which logfile(s)? |
| 00:52.45 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 00:52.48 | eeyore- | avont_: PEBCAK |
| 00:52.49 | JordiGH | eeyore-: What does tune2fs -j do? Just removes the journal? |
| 00:52.58 | eeyore- | JordiGH: "man tune2fs" |
| 00:53.00 | jvw | ugarit: is your computer on 24h/day? |
| 00:53.06 | beardy | abrotman: My ISA sb16 worked fine with alsa. |
| 00:53.08 | Dwonis | JordiGH: adds it |
| 00:53.11 | JordiGH | eeyore-: It's a yes or no question, but thanks. |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | beardy: well .. then you help him .. i recommend PCI hardware :) |
| 00:53.25 | stew | avont_: did you ever let alsaconf probe for isa/legacy devices? |
| 00:53.29 | beardy | abrotman: Has he told anyone what crap he actually has yet? |
| 00:53.33 | eeyore- | teach a man to fish, and he becomes your fucking competitor ... |
| 00:53.40 | avont_ | stew: no, i didn't |
| 00:53.43 | stew | avont_: try it |
| 00:53.50 | avont_ | im installing discoverthing now |
| 00:53.52 | ugarit | jvw: mail.log mail.info syslog auth.log, they're all over 3GB's in size! |
| 00:53.52 | avont_ | hold on |
| 00:54.01 | ugarit | jvw: yes |
| 00:54.07 | jvw | ugarit: ew... is your cron running? |
| 00:54.11 | ugarit | jvw: yes it is on 24x7x365 |
| 00:54.12 | beardy | abrotman: So am I, but on boxes without it, it's complicated. :) |
| 00:54.14 | eeyore- | avont_: what kind of recalcitrant sound chip is this? |
| 00:54.18 | stew | beardy: he showed us lspci and there were no sound cards, and it was an intel BX chipset so its old enough to have isa |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | beardy: the box has PCI |
| 00:54.28 | eeyore- | yoohoo, anyone? |
| 00:54.29 | ugarit | jvw: cron is running but clearly the logrotate is not |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: aye? |
| 00:54.44 | eeyore- | abrotman: what kind of sound chip has he got? (avont_) |
| 00:54.51 | thingfish | abrotman: I don't understand. I could tell from his response that nothing was detected. |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | Dwonis: i saw today that .us bought 6 million gallons fo beer last yera |
| 00:54.55 | ugarit | jvw: there is a logrotate in /etc/cron.daily |
| 00:54.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: something ISA |
| 00:54.59 | chungaroo | i just installed fluxbox, do i need a filemanager? if so which one is popular? |
| 00:55.04 | jvw | ugarit: syslog doesn't use logrotate |
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| 00:55.09 | abrotman | xfe? rox? gentoo ? |
| 00:55.13 | jvw | ugarit: but /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 00:55.19 | beardy | avont_: So check what driver was used in windows, and tell us. |
| 00:55.19 | thingfish | abrotman: when he said lspci | grep audio returned nothing, I figured it wasn't being seen. |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | thingfish: -i! |
| 00:55.39 | ugarit | jvw: yest sysklogd exists |
| 00:55.43 | stew | abrotman: you don't need a -i |
| 00:55.45 | thingfish | oh fuck you're right |
| 00:55.50 | stew | no he's not |
| 00:55.52 | jvw | ugarit: try debugging that script, inserting echo statements, see where it dies |
| 00:56.00 | avont_ | stew: probing |
| 00:56.05 | eeyore- | avont_: don't you *know* what kind of sound card you have? |
| 00:56.06 | jvw | ugarit: it seems as if it doesn't get run, or exits premarturely |
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| 00:56.08 | abrotman | stew: you never know .. i know it's normally lowercase .. but i wouldn't bet my left brain on it |
| 00:56.08 | thingfish | really, damn it let me look |
| 00:56.17 | eeyore- | avont_: is it really hard to open up the computer and look? |
| 00:56.29 | thingfish | yay! I was right. fooey on you, abrotman. ;) |
| 00:56.32 | Dwonis | !lobotomize abrotman |
| 00:56.34 | JordiGH | Alrighty... I'm gonna let gparted shrink the ntfs partition... that's harmless, right? Just a front-end to nttfsprogs which work well and are smart enough to not destroy data. Then, I'll reboot and see about moving the ext2/ext3 partition and extending it. |
| 00:56.35 | ugarit | jvw: would the error appear in syslog? |
| 00:56.39 | chungaroo | i just installed fluxbox, do i need a filemanager? if so which one is popular? |
| 00:56.42 | jvw | ugarit: another possibility is that your cron.daily takes so long, and a previous script prevents the latter script from running |
| 00:56.44 | abrotman | i know it's normally lowercase .. i just said that! |
| 00:56.47 | jvw | ugarit: no, don't think so |
| 00:56.47 | stew | abrotman: its only going to come up one way, its not coming from the board but from the translation into text from type 0401: in lspci -n |
| 00:56.51 | thingfish | abrotman: but yes, that's best practice. |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | chungaroo: i just told you |
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| 00:57.04 | abrotman | stew: are you 100% they're all lowercase ? |
| 00:57.06 | eeyore- | Multimedia audio controller, lowercase 'a' :-) |
| 00:57.14 | chungaroo | abrotman, sorry! :) |
| 00:57.16 | Dwonis | "ntfs partition... that's harmless, right?" <-- famous last words |
| 00:57.19 | stew | abrotman: audio is |
| 00:57.24 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 00:57.45 | abrotman | Multimedia Audio! |
| 00:57.52 | DAaaMan64 | stew: do I need to restart my comp for the right jre to show up? I just installed the deb package. |
| 00:57.55 | JordiGH | :) |
| 00:58.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: in your 133t linux maybe it came out Mu1+im3d14 4ud1o c0n+r01l3r or some such |
| 00:58.01 | stew | abrotman: please ask you questions in a channel related to your kernel patch |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | now with two times more jacks for useless reasons! |
| 00:58.09 | ugarit | jvw: what does the -s mean in: if [ -s $LOG ] |
| 00:58.11 | beardy | abrotman: Why Is Capitals On Every Word Better? |
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| 00:58.21 | stew | DAaaMan64: no, its in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun or something similar |
| 00:58.23 | Dwonis | hmm... grep needs a l33tspeak-insensitive flag |
| 00:58.25 | thingfish | beardy: it makes you seem german. |
| 00:58.31 | jvw | ugarit: FILE exists and has a size greater than zero |
| 00:58.34 | jvw | ugarit: test(1) |
| 00:58.39 | abrotman | beardy: It's Not. But I Never Assume They Will Always Be Lowercase! |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | that hurt .. a lot |
| 00:58.52 | beardy | hehe |
| 00:58.52 | jvw | ugarit: actually, 'man "["' |
| 00:59.02 | pjv | is there a way i can make evolution be place at the systems tray just like gaim or kmail? |
| 00:59.11 | eeyore- | jvw: [ is just a symlink to test |
| 00:59.15 | ugarit | jvw, thanks |
| 00:59.19 | DAaaMan64 | stew: I see it, how can I tell it to run and not the 1.4? |
| 00:59.26 | shogunx | the sound of the worlds smallest violin playing for abrotman waft through #debian |
| 00:59.32 | chungaroo | wow, debian feels so much spiffier than ubuntu |
| 00:59.36 | abrotman | shogunx: not likely |
| 00:59.38 | jvw | eeyore-: I know |
| 00:59.38 | beardy | abrotman: hmm, what hurt exactly..? |
| 00:59.40 | JordiGH | Say, you guys know how if saving a Knoppix configuration also saves whatever other stuff I've downloaded? I'd rather not have to apt-get again gparted when I reboot. |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | beardy: the capital letters :) |
| 01:00.01 | beardy | abrotman: ah, yeah :) |
| 01:00.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: REALLY? HOW ABOUT NOW? ARE YOU IN PAIN? |
| 01:00.08 | JordiGH | (Yes, yes, yes, I know this isn't a Knoppix channel, but maybe you can answer anyways.) |
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| 01:00.21 | beardy | !capssmite eeyore- |
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| 01:00.43 | beardy | should be one |
| 01:00.44 | ugarit | jvw: how can one confirm that cron.daily jobs are actually running? |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: that actually bothers me less |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: just looks like sunday :) |
| 01:01.02 | beardy | abrotman: hOW aBOUT tHIS? |
| 01:01.18 | beardy | that bothered me a bit.. |
| 01:01.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:01.27 | eeyore- | soon. soon i shall have my openchrome + xvmc acceleration AGAIN! world domination shall me mine! ALL MINE! |
| 01:01.29 | Dwonis | 1smite beardy |
| 01:01.37 | jvw | ugarit: the start of cron.daily itself is logged |
| 01:01.40 | beardy | !fix Dwonis |
| 01:01.46 | JordiGH | !capssmite jordigh |
| 01:01.57 | Dwonis | !capsmite JordiGH |
| 01:01.58 | ugarit | jvw in syslog? |
| 01:02.06 | raf256 | omfg |
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| 01:02.11 | JordiGH | Awww... I'm not smittten. :( |
| 01:02.14 | raf256 | shut the F up with the smiting |
| 01:02.20 | jvw | ugarit: Mar 28 06:25:01 bla /USR/SBIN/CRON[8298]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily) |
| 01:02.20 | raf256 | !smitesmite Dwonis |
| 01:02.31 | Dwonis | hah! |
| 01:02.40 | Dwonis | !smitesmitesmite raf256 ? |
| 01:02.43 | Dwonis | damn |
| 01:02.44 | eeyore- | this is the obligatory #debian off-topic hour? |
| 01:02.53 | Azar | avont_: try this http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 01:02.55 | jvw | ugarit: you can find cron.daily invocation in /etc/crontab |
| 01:03.11 | eeyore- | oh that reminds me. have to turn off cron job emailing :-)))) |
| 01:03.13 | beardy | It's practice-for-Sunday hour. |
| 01:03.24 | Dwonis | it *is* Sunday |
| 01:03.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's been sunday for three days |
| 01:03.35 | DAaaMan64 | stew: Is that that dumb of a question? Sorry |
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| 01:04.07 | JordiGH | lalala... ntfsresize doing its magic right now... I'm scared... |
| 01:04.15 | JordiGH | Hold me. |
| 01:04.16 | descod | Hello, how i have a /dev/raw1394? cause loading the raw1394 module dont create it |
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| 01:04.24 | eeyore- | i should call in sick tomorrow |
| 01:04.46 | Dwonis | DAaaMan64: there might be a better way, but at one point I used update-alternatives |
| 01:05.26 | DAaaMan64 | Dwonis: What do you mean? It looks like I have 1.4 and 1.5 installed and I want it to run 1.5 not 1.4 |
| 01:05.35 | eeyore- | good night |
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| 01:05.50 | jvw | DAaaMan64: easiest to uninstall 1.4 then |
| 01:06.08 | jvw | DAaaMan64: the problem with java is that it has a few dozen commands, and it's tedious to change them all :-/ |
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| 01:06.30 | ugarit | jvw: well, it ran from the command line without a problem!!! |
| 01:06.37 | DAaaMan64 | jvw: what will happen then is it probably not find my other java :p, but at least I can uninstall it from the package manager. Thanks. |
| 01:06.40 | servjew | hello, installing debian, i type linux26 at the install prompt. everything goes fine until the reboot at the end of install, it wont detect eth0! says its not there. it detected fine in installation. |
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| 01:07.24 | jvw | ugarit: so it's possibly a cron.daily job before the sysklogd one that takes eternity |
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| 01:07.49 | jvw | ugarit: try invoking manually the whole thing that's cron.daily (look in /etc/crontab) |
| 01:08.06 | avont_ | stew: its probing, this will take a minute, so just hold on |
| 01:08.10 | DAaaMan64 | jvw: so what your saying is java is completely over complicated, and we should all use something else ;) Thanks it worked. |
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| 01:08.49 | jvw | DAaaMan64: I'm one of the java-package maintainers, I know it can use some improvement :) |
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| 01:09.08 | chungaroo | how do i sign out of root login? |
| 01:09.12 | agresor10 | hola como estan |
| 01:09.15 | DAaaMan64 | jvw: I will take that, sorry? At least java-package works good. |
| 01:09.16 | Azar | servjew: possibly the machine is not connecting... did you went dhcp or ip setting, and if ip setting did you gave all IPs required (your IP, gateway IP and the two DNS IPs? ) |
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| 01:09.29 | citral | servjew: do you know the model of the card ? |
| 01:09.30 | jvw | DAaaMan64: np |
| 01:09.52 | agresor10 | hello |
| 01:09.55 | agresor10 | sorry |
| 01:09.59 | servjew | i tried both, it works fine, during initian install, and when i install the 2.4 kernel |
| 01:10.11 | agresor10 | i dont speack ingles fine |
| 01:10.11 | descod | Hello my friends, how i have a /dev/raw1394 cause loading the raw1394 module dont create it !!! |
| 01:10.25 | juice` | does anyone suceed in using xfs_growfs ? |
| 01:10.35 | Azar | servjew: what citral said: what is the model name of your ethernet card? |
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| 01:10.55 | rares000 | i'm getting discolored video after I play files |
| 01:11.02 | servjew | its a VIA generica crap thing, i tried with the onboard, same. |
| 01:11.05 | rares000 | like xv isn't reset properly or something |
| 01:11.20 | rares000 | I always have to restart KDE |
| 01:11.24 | stew | DAaaMan64: "update-alternatives --config java" as root should ensure you that you are using 1.5 |
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| 01:11.43 | DAaaMan64 | stew: I have got it working now, thank you. |
| 01:11.45 | Azar | ser: VIA Technologies VT8233/8235/8237 ? |
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| 01:11.59 | citral | servjew: that's totally vague... do "lspci -v" and look for it |
| 01:12.06 | DAaaMan64 | stew: of course it didn't fix eclpise' problems. Stupid conflicting plug-ins. |
| 01:12.21 | Azar | maybe VIA Rhine ? (brrr) |
| 01:12.27 | gilianima | how to print a RFC so that it's just goes on an A4 page ? |
| 01:12.56 | servjew | via rhine, thats it. |
| 01:13.00 | stew | DAaaMan64: yeah, luckly eclipse is now in debian, so it should get better soon, but its only in unstable currently |
| 01:13.03 | dvs | !beer Azar |
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| 01:14.05 | citral | servjew: so modrpobe via-rhine and it sould do it. |
| 01:14.07 | Hamled | Has anyone here used or heard of Reliable Server Pooling? |
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| 01:14.17 | jvw | ugarit: off to bed -- so you won't get answers from me if you ask within the next 8 or so hours at least :) |
| 01:14.23 | descod | Hello debianitas, how i have a /dev/raw1394 cause loading the raw1394 module dont create it !!! |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 01:14.31 | servjew | modprobe via-rhine, ok |
| 01:14.37 | cureless | who sleeps for 8 hours anyway? |
| 01:14.42 | Azar | servjew: I do not know if sarge still use "modconf" but I have it and usually go with that command and look and select "via-rhine" module from it. |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | canadians? |
| 01:14.51 | stew | descod: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:14.52 | jvw | he just left, oh well |
| 01:14.53 | citral | servjew: with 2.6, with 2.4 I don't remember |
| 01:14.56 | shogunx | i try for at least 10 hours of sleep, actually. |
| 01:14.58 | Azar | citral, modprobe now replaces modconf? |
| 01:15.10 | jvw | abrotman: I do more that sleeping in those 8 hours, also 'getting awake' and stuff :) |
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| 01:15.31 | citral | modprobe via-rhine && echo "via-rhine" >> /etc/modules |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | jvw: oh .. then you're ok .. i'll let it slide .. i'll still vote for you |
| 01:15.59 | Azar | citral? |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | jvw: sleep well :) |
| 01:16.02 | descod | stew: 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 01:16.13 | daeos | .... i hate postfix now |
| 01:16.14 | citral | Azar? |
| 01:16.29 | Azar | ^^ now we use modprobe instead of the old modconf? |
| 01:16.31 | stew | descod: do you have udev installed? are you using devfs? |
| 01:16.35 | cureless | daeos: how come? |
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| 01:16.47 | nekostar | \o/ |
| 01:16.48 | citral | I do, I'm not "we" :) |
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| 01:17.01 | descod | stew: wait! |
| 01:17.02 | agresor10 | hola alguien q hable español |
| 01:17.08 | Azar | citral thanks well I never knew, I will start using that too |
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| 01:17.15 | daeos | cureless: i can't get it to work |
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| 01:17.26 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:17.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:17.27 | Azar | agresor10: use /j #debian-es |
| 01:17.32 | chungaroo | how can i install the latest (1.5) firefox? |
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| 01:17.35 | daeos | cureless: i get a lot of warnings about talking to service rewrite |
| 01:17.54 | chealer | chungaroo: which release do you use? |
| 01:18.03 | stew | we should probably make targetd CMD: es (.*?) factoids out of those lang specific factoids |
| 01:18.07 | chungaroo | i think 1.03 |
| 01:18.08 | daeos | i could , if you want, paste to you my log file |
| 01:18.16 | chealer | chungaroo: your Debian release |
| 01:18.22 | chungaroo | chealer, yes |
| 01:18.29 | cureless | daeos: gimme 1 sec, I'm on the voipphone |
| 01:18.32 | descod | stew: yes i have udev, descod:/home/j/personal/textos/internet# devfs |
| 01:18.33 | descod | bash: devfs: command not found |
| 01:18.38 | daeos | cureless: ok |
| 01:18.40 | chealer | chungaroo: which version of Debian do you run? |
| 01:18.59 | abrotman | stew: or make a generic one? like "dpkg: lcr es <nick>" which would return "<nick> /join #debian-es" |
| 01:18.59 | chungaroo | 3.1? |
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| 01:20.00 | chealer | chungaroo: are you sure it's 1.03? |
| 01:20.11 | chungaroo | it's w/e is in the deb repository |
| 01:20.15 | stew | descod: and does "lsmod | grep 1394" return any matches? |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 01:20.23 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 8681 kB, Installed size: 24392 kB |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | chealer: but it's actually 1.0.7 iirc |
| 01:20.40 | chealer | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:20.41 | nekostar | hm |
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| 01:20.48 | beardy | lightweight, haha.. |
| 01:20.50 | nekostar | anyone in here familiar with the ulimit thing? |
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| 01:20.52 | daeos | who ever wants firefox needs to read up on firefox myths |
| 01:21.08 | descod | stew: raw1394 28652 0 |
| 01:21.08 | descod | dv1394 19788 0 |
| 01:21.08 | descod | eth1394 19976 0 |
| 01:21.09 | descod | ohci1394 32004 1 dv1394 |
| 01:21.09 | descod | ieee1394 100408 4 raw1394,dv1394,eth1394,ohci1394 |
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| 01:21.10 | Azar | hmmm I am intrigued, the debian reference manual still mentions "modconf" to deal with modules, no word about modprobe.. |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | because modconf loads the module and puts it in the right file |
| 01:21.31 | biesi__ | modprobe isn't exactly debian-specific |
| 01:21.32 | nekostar | i am linking a server to a ircd... and running one.. so apparently i need ~13000 file descriptors... |
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| 01:21.40 | nekostar | i was wondering what the default is? |
| 01:21.41 | Azar | ah , thank you |
| 01:21.53 | abrotman | nekostar: df -i ? |
| 01:21.58 | Azar | I only know how to do stuff from manuals.. |
| 01:22.04 | abrotman | wait . nm .. those are inodes |
| 01:22.12 | nekostar | lol |
| 01:22.13 | chungaroo | so how do i update my firefox? |
| 01:22.13 | beardy | Azar: IIRC sarge has modconf aswell, but only for 2.4 kernels. |
| 01:22.13 | avont_ | (sigh)............(Starts to tear up) can someone please help me fix my sound |
| 01:22.37 | avont_ | the probing thing took too long |
| 01:22.41 | ThetaWave | I've never been able to figure out why so many people are on this channel, yet so few actually type anything. What's up with that? |
| 01:22.44 | Azar | beardy oh.. so modconf will become obsolete for the new 2.6.x generation |
| 01:22.48 | avont_ | i cut it off, it got stuck on one of the things |
| 01:22.58 | nekostar | er |
| 01:23.00 | chealer | chungaroo: you would have to backport unstable's version. do you know how to run software from a different Debian release? |
| 01:23.00 | abrotman | Azar: no |
| 01:23.00 | nekostar | i meant ulimit btw |
| 01:23.05 | beardy | Azar: At least for the time being it already is, yes. |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | beardy: it works in etch on 2.6 |
| 01:23.17 | chungaroo | chealer, no... |
| 01:23.20 | beardy | abrotman: I see. |
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| 01:23.33 | Azar | I have the modconf because I started with woody 2.4 kernel and I upgraded on the way up |
| 01:23.41 | abrotman | beardy: let's load modules for fun and see! |
| 01:23.48 | chealer | ThetaWave: what typing rate do you expect? |
| 01:24.13 | Azar | I find modconf easier on newbies like me, find modules fast and works ok |
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| 01:24.42 | ThetaWave | chealer: it's just that there have been days when a huge number of people are on, but nobody will type anything |
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| 01:24.57 | descod | stew: what hapen in my system? |
| 01:25.09 | avont_ | please, help, i really need to get my sound working |
| 01:25.10 | chealer | ThetaWave: during a whole day? never seen that |
| 01:25.12 | beardy | abrotman: I would have gladly joined in that game, but unfortunately I don't have any sarge or etch box here right now. :) |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | beardy: freak! |
| 01:25.28 | stew | !tell descod about flood |
| 01:25.30 | beardy | abrotman: So I'll take your word for it. |
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| 01:25.37 | chealer | chungaroo: then, do you know about the issues associated with running software of a different version than the one in your Debian release, and still wish to run Firefox 1.5? |
| 01:25.43 | avont_ | stew: can you help? |
| 01:25.52 | stew | descod: so it looks to me that you have a /dev/raw1394 becuase you have the raw1394 module loaded, why do you think that is not the case? |
| 01:25.56 | daeos | abrotman: i'll join in it =P |
| 01:25.56 | abrotman | beardy: i'm trying to find a harmless module :) |
| 01:25.57 | Azar | thank you abrotman, nice to find out that modconf was not trashed |
| 01:26.06 | chungaroo | chealer, hm, i never thought it'd be a big deal..= |
| 01:26.23 | beardy | abrotman: Isn't "freak" a rather harsh word.. |
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| 01:26.39 | abrotman | beardy: yes .. it does work |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | Azar: it works just fine |
| 01:26.46 | beardy | abrotman: Nice. |
| 01:26.48 | stew | avont_: did you try to let alsaconf probe for isa/legacy cards? |
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| 01:27.17 | avont_ | it didn't finish, it got stuck on the first driver in the list |
| 01:27.19 | avont_ | OL something |
| 01:27.29 | ryan` | how does one use pcmcia devices without cardmgr or the like? |
| 01:27.31 | beardy | avont_: How long did you wait? |
| 01:27.34 | str8edge | anyone here use networkmanager? |
| 01:27.43 | avont_ | like 10 minutes |
| 01:27.47 | beardy | str8edge: Ask your question instaed. |
| 01:27.49 | ryan` | I'm working on an embedded system and don't want the hotplugging |
| 01:27.52 | beardy | avont_: WHAT? |
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| 01:27.59 | avont_ | 10 minutes |
| 01:28.02 | str8edge | beardy: that was my question :) |
| 01:28.03 | beardy | avont_: Let it run for 5 hours and then come back. |
| 01:28.05 | avont_ | and it was stuck on the first one |
| 01:28.12 | avont_ | 5 hours?!? wow |
| 01:28.22 | stew | beardy: do you think that would actually help? |
| 01:28.25 | daeos | cureless: let me know and i'll do a /msg and paste in the log file |
| 01:28.26 | avont_ | well, will my sound be fixed after its probed? |
| 01:28.37 | Compaq_Owner | hey |
| 01:28.43 | abrotman | isa is slow |
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| 01:28.52 | stew | avont_: you are going to have to use isapnpdump to try to figure out what card you have |
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| 01:29.04 | tuv | is there any difference between mawk and gawk that would make me choose one over the other? |
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| 01:29.06 | abrotman | it may not be an isapnp card |
| 01:29.14 | stew | avont_: you might consider trying something else like ubuntu and seeing if they detect your card |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | tuv: licensing i believe .. |
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| 01:29.38 | cureless | daeos: ok |
| 01:29.44 | beardy | stew: No. But he don't want to follow the help he has been given by everyone else. And though, yes, aborting something after 10 minutes because it seems "stuck" is to early. |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | tuv: oh .. there are differences .. apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 01:29.57 | ecdemo | trying to boot debian from a usb device using grub from a laptop with an internal hd that will have nothing to do with debian... the problem seems to be, that something in grub is regenerating the device map in reverse order, but when booting, the actual hardware situation is not reversed |
| 01:29.57 | avont_ | stew: no, im not going to install another os, i've worked to hard to instrall this one |
| 01:30.04 | tuv | abrotman, they're both in debian.. how can they have licensing problems?! |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | tuv: i was wrong .. they are different |
| 01:30.16 | avont_ | beardy: yes oi hae, i've been doing what they said |
| 01:30.18 | avont_ | so don't fuckin say that |
| 01:30.18 | Compaq_Owner | i'm new to linux and just installed pureftp to my debian server using apt-get and i don't know where it installed to or how to start it |
| 01:30.31 | pipeline | Compaq_Owner: /usr/share/doc/pureftpd ? :P |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | tuv: they can still have different licenses |
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| 01:31.28 | abrotman | dpkg -L pureftp |
| 01:31.28 | dpkg | ii pureftp 3.9-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/pureftp/* |
| 01:31.46 | lightcap | I thought swap partitions showed when you issued df -h? |
| 01:31.56 | abrotman | but it'd suspect a simple /etc/init.d/pureftp restart would work |
| 01:31.58 | descod | stew: because |
| 01:31.59 | lightcap | how do I find where/how my swap is set up |
| 01:31.59 | stew | avont_: i don't necessarily mean install, but use a livecd and see if its auto detected |
| 01:31.59 | avont_ | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 01:32.00 | descod | descod:~# ls -l /dev/raw |
| 01:32.00 | descod | ls: /dev/raw: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 01:32.05 | avont_ | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 01:32.16 | daeos | !es |
| 01:32.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:32.58 | beardy | stew: Until we/he can find out what card it is, it will only be a luckshot if any help helps at this stage. |
| 01:33.27 | Compaq_Owner | how do you open a text file? |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | vi |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | open for what purpose ? |
| 01:33.41 | daeos | vim too! |
| 01:33.50 | Azar | avont_: look on the right at the modules names, anything with snd_ in front tell us (at that url) |
| 01:33.50 | beardy | Compaq_Owner: What do you want to do with the file? |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | daeos: he probably just has nvi installed |
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| 01:33.59 | Compaq_Owner | jsut read it |
| 01:33.59 | daeos | ah ok |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: you can 'more' or 'less' it .. |
| 01:34.46 | beardy | Compaq_Owner: Use less(1), or another pager, like more(1), but less is nicer. 'less textfile' |
| 01:34.47 | avont_ | Azar: what are you talking about? |
| 01:34.52 | unperson | If I want to send a file from a debian box to a Windows box via the Internet, what is the easiest way besides email? |
| 01:34.53 | stew | beardy: put him on ignore then, don't send him on a 10 hour wild goose chanse just becuae you don't think you can help him |
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| 01:34.59 | Azar | avont_: the url I just gave you |
| 01:35.00 | descod | stew: descod:~# ls -l /dev/raw ls: /dev/raw: do not exist directory or file |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | unperson: i'm sure it has a few dozen open ports |
| 01:35.18 | _matej | Compaq_Owner: less is more or less more :-) |
| 01:35.19 | stew | descod: i don't understand what this has to do with your original question |
| 01:35.20 | ecdemo | unperson: too many possibilities |
| 01:35.25 | unperson | With *nix I'd use scp/sftp, but I don't think that there's a built-in client on 'doze. |
| 01:35.29 | beardy | stew: I didn't. |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | unperson: they could scp it from you |
| 01:35.37 | _matej | unperson: winscp |
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| 01:35.43 | avont_ | Azar: you didn't give me any url |
| 01:35.44 | magyar | how can i find out which debain package provides "/etc/init.d/saslauthd"? |
| 01:35.54 | abrotman | dpkg -S |
| 01:35.55 | Azar | avont_: ok again: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 01:36.33 | unperson | _matej: Yeah, you may be right. Basically, I was wondering if there was a solution that didn't involve having to install any new software. |
| 01:36.39 | avont_ | oh |
| 01:36.44 | _matej | unperson: http://winscp.net/eng/index.php |
| 01:36.44 | avont_ | i already gave you the results |
| 01:36.48 | magyar | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:36.51 | avont_ | Azar: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 01:36.53 | unperson | _matej: winscp has been my default before. |
| 01:36.57 | stew | beardy: < stew> beardy: do you think that would actually help? < beardy> stew: No. But he don't want to follow the help he has been given by everyone else... |
| 01:37.01 | _matej | unperson: no, Windows doesn't include native scp client ;-) |
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| 01:37.02 | Azar | avont_: open up a terminal, type : lspci -n copy the contents and paste it there then click on CHECK. Look on the rightmost column at modules and see if you see any snd_ type module tell us |
| 01:37.11 | descod | stew: i have a dv cam whit firewire but i dont know to use, because i have a module call raw1394 but i dont have it |
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| 01:37.19 | abrotman | filezilla is a decent client |
| 01:37.20 | Azar | avont_: I cannot see your screen from here, is just for your view |
| 01:37.23 | beardy | stew: And where are the 10 hours? |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | if you want a GUI |
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| 01:37.52 | beardy | stew: And are you sure about the timings of the probing, that it absolutely NOT can take more than 10 minutes? |
| 01:37.58 | _matej | unperson: (and they don't include many other standard programs -- I had to use Windows in work and I was again quite surprised how bare it look without tons of soft installed) |
| 01:38.01 | stew | beardy: pardon me you said 5 hours not 10 |
| 01:38.02 | avont_ | there is no modules column, you mean driver column? |
| 01:38.29 | unperson | Unfortunately, I think the defacto way most Windows users send files is via AIM file send, which has always been broken for me in Linux. |
| 01:38.36 | tainc | *yaaawn* |
| 01:38.36 | Azar | avont_: like mine for example is: snd-via82xx,via82cxxx_audio (under Drivers, sorry) |
| 01:38.38 | descod | stew: i have to use a module call raw1394 but i dont have |
| 01:38.39 | unperson | Or, at least with Gaim and Kopete. |
| 01:38.44 | stew | beardy: i don't know a thing about the timings. i'm saying don't give out advice that you don't think is helpful, which is what you claim to have done |
| 01:38.46 | cureless | daeos: ok, explain your problem. what did you do, what did you install and what did you change in the configuration? are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
| 01:38.54 | daeos | sarge |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | tainc: cover your mouth .. have you no manners? |
| 01:39.05 | cureless | daeos: do it here, don't msg me, other people can help too |
| 01:39.06 | unperson | _matej: Agreed. Although it's ironic that Linux is then often touted as clutter free. |
| 01:39.07 | Azar | avont_: anything with _audio in it |
| 01:39.11 | daeos | ok |
| 01:39.31 | avont_ | Azart: i don't have anything with snd or audioin it :( |
| 01:39.41 | unperson | _matej: But then again, that's why I love apt. You can have few things installed by default, but it's a breeze to add more. |
| 01:39.59 | Azar | avont_: what motherboard are you using? name |
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| 01:40.09 | _matej | unperson: go aptitude -- it is also breeze to get rid of what you have just tested (and all its unnecessary dependencies) |
| 01:40.15 | avont_ | *sigh* i don't remember |
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| 01:40.23 | avont_ | sorry :( |
| 01:40.24 | stew | descod: you do have a module named raw1394, you showed us that you do |
| 01:40.38 | shogunx | unperson: why not just put the file in /var/www if you have apache running on the debian box. |
| 01:40.42 | pjv | is there a graphical scp client for gnome? |
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| 01:41.04 | unperson | shogunx: Right now the only internet service I have running is sshd. |
| 01:41.08 | avont_ | Azar: i forgot the name of my motherboard |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | pjv: nautilus ? |
| 01:41.15 | unperson | shogunx: It's certainly a valid suggestion, of course. |
| 01:41.19 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: what do you mean by more or less |
| 01:41.20 | avont_ | i think maybe dell optiplex gx1, thats the name of the comp |
| 01:41.26 | Compaq_Owner | i jsut want to read a text file |
| 01:41.29 | _matej | pjv: I think nautilus should be able to do it, but I haven't used Gnome for ages (being high on KDE ;-)) |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: those are commands .. more , less ... so type "more <filename" |
| 01:41.46 | beardy | stew: Not really, I exagerated (spell) by saying 5 hours, but aborting something he were told to do just after 10 minutes is to early. |
| 01:41.47 | Azar | avont_: let's do this then, do a lspci, copy the content and paste it here: http://channels.debian.net/paste then give us the url result to look at |
| 01:41.47 | daeos | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/#install_packages << i followed the instructions provided here given to me by wols_ to install postfix. I am currently down to the place where it says "Step 9 Test Your Setup" i can do ehlo *mydomain here* and got the response as stated in the document, then did "mail from:<test@*mydomain*> and at this point telnet hangs. and i have to break out of telnet. my log files aren't very clear as to |
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| 01:41.56 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: though . `less` is actually better |
| 01:42.02 | stew | beardy: not really what? |
| 01:42.04 | ecdemo | trying to boot debian from a usb device using grub from a laptop with an internal hd that will have nothing to do with debian... the problem seems to be, that something in grub is regenerating the device map in reverse order, but when booting, the actual hardware situation is that the drives are not reversed, but the menu.lst was written assuming they are (test: if I edit changing (hd0 to (hd1 (in the root command), the newly instal |
| 01:42.17 | _matej | Compaq_Owner: if in console do less filename (what I said was just a joke about similarity between names of two similar programs) |
| 01:42.24 | beardy | stew: Is what happens now more helpful? He's being taken through the same things again. |
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| 01:42.34 | Compaq_Owner | lol |
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| 01:42.54 | oogy_ | how is linux ntfs support these days anyone know? |
| 01:42.58 | ecdemo | anything I can do to fix that? |
| 01:43.12 | pjv | ok ty |
| 01:43.28 | debian | ecdemo: I don't know about usb's situation, but it happened to me with normal IDE device |
| 01:43.37 | avont_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.37 | descod | stew: modconf and + for raw1394, but i dont have a file call /dev/raw1394? i dont know why? |
| 01:43.42 | debian | ecdemo: it has something to do with the bios boot order |
| 01:43.44 | Azar | avont_: ok |
| 01:43.46 | unperson | _matej: Does aptitude really remove unneeded dependancies? I thought generally that wasn't possible without some sort of add-on to the apt system. (I usually use synaptic) |
| 01:43.48 | _matej | Compaq_Owner: (a bit of history -- there used to be program for clunky reading of text files, then somebody created *much* better program and called it less) |
| 01:43.52 | debian | ecdemo: not all bios, of course |
| 01:44.02 | Compaq_Owner | lol |
| 01:44.08 | ecdemo | debian: which I have to change to get the usb to boot |
| 01:44.22 | debian | ecdemo: in usb's situation, I'm not sure if the bios' boot order would affect usb device mapping, really |
| 01:44.28 | debian | ecdemo: but you can check |
| 01:44.38 | debian | ecdemo: you did 'geometry' in grub right? |
| 01:44.39 | ecdemo | how? |
| 01:44.42 | beardy | stew: I didn't admit that it was useless, or what you called it. Only exagerated in the heat of the moment, but not wrong or bad. |
| 01:44.56 | ecdemo | not that I know of... this is an automatic install |
| 01:45.22 | _matej | unperson: if you install programs only with aptitude (or manually set up dependencies in aptitude) it remembers which packages were installed just to satisfy dependencies and uninstalls them when not needed. You can set up this also manually (shortcut M). |
| 01:45.28 | debian | ecdemo: when booting up the grub, you should have chance to go into grub's console |
| 01:45.36 | ecdemo | yes |
| 01:45.47 | daeos | i've already asked in #postfix and they aren't much help at all |
| 01:45.52 | ecdemo | want me to do that? |
| 01:45.54 | debian | ecdemo: enter 'geometry' in the grub console then, you can see the actually device mapping |
| 01:46.01 | ecdemo | ahh |
| 01:46.04 | ecdemo | ok |
| 01:46.08 | debian | good luck |
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| 01:47.12 | cureless | daeos: have you tried doing things one "step" at a time. Remove virtual domains, does postfix work? |
| 01:47.24 | fisxoj | hello |
| 01:47.30 | daeos | postfix is running right now |
| 01:47.54 | stew | beardy: then do you think he should re-run it and let it go for longer or not? i don't know, so i asked, you said it wouldn't help, no you are maybe saying you didn't mean it? |
| 01:47.57 | daeos | but im not sure i follow on how to remove virtual domains, i don't have nay setup |
| 01:48.03 | cureless | daeos: can you telnet-test using a mail to your non-virtual domain? |
| 01:48.25 | cureless | daeos: ok, let me rephrase, non-mysql users. |
| 01:48.39 | fisxoj | sorry for barging in, but my debian laptop is complaining about a lack of space for the /dev |
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| 01:48.50 | Azar | avont_: strange lspci does not list it but you "might" have a Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] for sound |
| 01:49.05 | ecdemo | geometry returns details about a single drive |
| 01:49.15 | Azar | the fact that the system does not list it, is strange and I would not know what to tell you |
| 01:49.15 | cureless | daeos: using the page you sent me they have virtual domains |
| 01:49.25 | avont_ | ok |
| 01:49.31 | avont_ | Azar: so what do i do now? |
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| 01:49.57 | stew | Azar: its becuase its not a pci card, its an isa card |
| 01:50.00 | Azar | avont_: since you are not willing to open up the case and look in to make sure, try maybe to enable this module with modconf |
| 01:50.10 | Azar | stew ah.. |
| 01:50.16 | stew | Azar: enable which module? |
| 01:50.20 | Azar | avont_: better open up the box and look inside |
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| 01:50.33 | Azar | avont_: or call your PC manufacturer and ask |
| 01:50.38 | stew | avont_: you should try to figure out how to use isapnpdump to find out what card you have |
| 01:50.40 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: what would you suggest for an ftp server? |
| 01:50.43 | daeos | cureless: you are referring to step 4 right? |
| 01:50.56 | fisxoj | please, I'm running a 2.6.16 kernel, and suddenly gnome gives an error that there's not enough space |
| 01:50.56 | Compaq_Owner | pureftp doesn't seem to want to let me figure it out |
| 01:51.00 | stoned | I have the most painful headache right now, damn backports, damn them |
| 01:51.07 | cureless | daeos: no, look at step 9, the first thing they do is create a virtual domain virtual.test. |
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| 01:51.24 | ecdemo | backports don't cause headaches, heads do! |
| 01:51.27 | avont_ | which module category Azar? |
| 01:51.31 | beardy | stew: Ok.. I thought you were trying to argue with me for some reason.. my mistake. Yes, I think he should re-run it, perhaps not for 5 hours (that was what I meant by exaggaration) but at least 30 min - 1 hour, to make sure. If he doesn't get an error, he can't be sure that something is actually wrong, it might just be taking some time for some reason. |
| 01:51.48 | cureless | daeos: they add this to the mysql domains database. Just like they add a user@virtual.test to the users database. |
| 01:51.52 | ecdemo | unless the backport is like the ones in the matrix... |
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| 01:52.09 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: i've used proftpd and vsftpd .. though TBH .. you sohuldn't use ftp at all |
| 01:52.14 | stoned | its worse than the matrix, extreme dejavu glitches |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | too bad clients are stupid and can't figure out scp |
| 01:52.25 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: why not? |
| 01:52.38 | avont_ | Azar: which category? |
| 01:52.50 | ecdemo | avont_: just look around, you'll find it... and even if you don't, you'll learn something that you won't have to ask here about |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: it's insecure by nature |
| 01:53.13 | Compaq_Owner | i need ftp |
| 01:53.16 | cureless | Compaq_Owner: and it's always a pain for firewalls. |
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| 01:53.33 | ecdemo | ftp uses two ports, that's the pain part |
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| 01:53.38 | cureless | even if modern ones do statefull things by default. |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | the firewall is the least of concerns |
| 01:53.57 | Azar | someone writes: For ISA cards you will usually need to know some card specifics to choose the right driver, and it may require entering codes at the boot prompt to fully enable. |
| 01:54.19 | fisxoj | help a poor guy get gnome to run? |
| 01:54.34 | ecdemo | it needs legs for tha |
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| 01:54.42 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 01:55.00 | alexscott | descod, always here ? |
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| 01:55.18 | Azar | avont_: it is risky for now to tell you what module to get since you do not have the right info on your sound card: call your PC manufacturer and ask, or google with the name/version of your PC to find out about your hardware info |
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| 01:55.38 | Compaq_Owner | so how do i install proftpd through apt-get? |
| 01:55.43 | ecdemo | or run pnpdump | less |
| 01:55.50 | stoned | guys, I have a dell inspiron laptop, 512mb ram, 1.8ghz p4. The screen is broken, but you can hook up an external monitor to it and it works. I have ubuntu dapper on it, because I just that to test out different distros. If I were to make that laptop into a file/ftp/web/nfs server, which distro shall I go with? I was told woody, since it is solid, but also openbsd, which I have never used. Is sarge stablel enough? I read the websites a |
| 01:55.50 | stoned | nd read about sarge it seems stable enough |
| 01:55.53 | pjv | can i copy a directory from a remote box with scp? |
| 01:56.00 | ecdemo | if it's an isa card with pnp |
| 01:56.07 | stoned | whats the best way to put that laptop to ACTUAL _use_? |
| 01:56.13 | pjv | i must have my syntax wrong |
| 01:56.14 | stoned | as a server? I mean |
| 01:56.18 | pipeline | stoned: Uh, woody is old. Use sarge. |
| 01:56.21 | daeos | cureless: i follow you now, so make one that is my true domain then |
| 01:56.29 | Azar | avont_: bottom line your hardware info on Debian does not "see" any sound card. Something weird |
| 01:56.39 | PumpkinPie | anyone own a layer3 3com switch? |
| 01:56.44 | stew | Azar: its not at all wierd |
| 01:56.49 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: so how do i install proftpd through apt-get? |
| 01:56.52 | avont_ | its onboard |
| 01:56.52 | cureless | daeos: well, you either follow the instructions to the letter or adapt all that needs to be adapted, not just part of it :-) |
| 01:57.07 | fisxoj | can someone help me get gnome working again? it claims "mkdtemp private socket dir no space left on device" |
| 01:57.09 | PumpkinPie | I cant find examples or information on 3com's ACL capabilities on layer3 switches |
| 01:57.15 | daeos | cureless: lol, i followed to the letter and got screwed :-P |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: apt-get install proftpd |
| 01:57.16 | stew | avont_: have i mentioned isapnpdump enough yet? have you tried reading about it yet |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 01:57.16 | Azar | stew, it is weird that the installation did not detect his sound card |
| 01:57.17 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 01:57.24 | stoned | is it possible to do a dual head with already present onboard AGP as well as a second AGP8x nvidia card? |
| 01:57.27 | shogunx | stoned: a laptop makes a decnet server, with integrated battery backup. thats a very good use for a deadscreen lap. |
| 01:57.39 | Azar | woody is more giving on this issue |
| 01:57.40 | stew | Azar: why? that's not weird for isa cards |
| 01:57.40 | pipeline | stoned: Depends upon the motherboard. Some do, most don't. |
| 01:57.46 | pjv | is this right to copy a directory from a remote server and placing it in the localserver "scp foo@example.com:/etc/dir/ /etc/" |
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| 01:57.48 | avont_ | i have sarge now |
| 01:57.50 | cureless | daeos: did you create the entries in the database tables? |
| 01:57.51 | avont_ | i upgraded |
| 01:57.52 | alexscott | woody is depreceated |
| 01:57.58 | shogunx | decnet__>decent |
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| 01:58.06 | Azar | yes alexscott it is, but I love it still |
| 01:58.16 | stoned | pipeline, everytime I plug in my nvidia card, the onboard video stops working. |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | alexscott: it's still supported |
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| 01:58.34 | pipeline | stoned: Like I said: Some do, most don't. |
| 01:58.44 | pipeline | stoned: Not very surprising, really. |
| 01:58.46 | JordiGH | Ack. Computer froze... and it's been frozen for one hour... supposedly resizing NTFS partition. Hard drive light is on, so let's hope it's actually doing something. |
| 01:59.02 | stoned | pipeline, but there must be a way to redo the bios to tell it to enable both agp |
| 01:59.04 | ecdemo | potato is the best thing to use for oracle 8i since potato has the right version of libc |
| 01:59.05 | pipeline | JordiGH: Well, there's nothing you can do about it. |
| 01:59.07 | stoned | isn't there/ |
| 01:59.14 | pipeline | JordiGH: And resizing isn't a safe operation. You knew that before you started, so shit. |
| 01:59.18 | Azar | woody has its charm mostly when dealing with tricky hardware stuff... is very forgiving |
| 01:59.25 | stoned | well |
| 01:59.28 | pipeline | stoned: No, there doesn't "must" be. There may very well not be. |
| 01:59.32 | stoned | I think woody might be too old for this laptop hardware |
| 01:59.34 | abrotman | JordiGH: you made a backup .. right ? |
| 01:59.34 | pipeline | Azar: What the fuck are you talkinga bout? |
| 01:59.45 | daeos | cureless: yes |
| 01:59.47 | pipeline | stoned: Like I said, that's occasionally the case, but usually it is not. |
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| 01:59.59 | JordiGH | Backups are for the weak. :P |
| 02:00.01 | Azar | pipeline: about woody |
| 02:00.02 | pipeline | stoned: You can only have one AGP card in a system, but some on-board AGP cards are able to behave as PCI-only. |
| 02:00.09 | stoned | JordiGH, thats stupid :) |
| 02:00.11 | pipeline | Azar: Yes, but you appear to be making shit up. |
| 02:00.15 | cureless | daeos: so you did modify the msql database, did you use the same user@test email for your tests? |
| 02:00.15 | pipeline | JordiGH: hahah. Dumbass. |
| 02:00.21 | Azar | pipeline: that is not nice |
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| 02:00.33 | stoned | pipeline, ahh, ok, yeah my motherboard doesn't support it. |
| 02:00.35 | JordiGH | Where the hell am I going to backup 60 gigs anyways? :P |
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| 02:00.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: google? :) |
| 02:00.44 | daeos | cureless: yes |
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| 02:00.54 | stoned | JordiGH, does't matter what _your_ situation is, your statement was a stupid one |
| 02:01.05 | pipeline | Azar: It is, nevertheless, the case. |
| 02:01.08 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: how do you modify the users and directoris? |
| 02:01.09 | daeos | cureless: the telnet hangs once i put in mail from: <anyemail i put in here it still hangs> |
| 02:01.17 | ecdemo | JordiGH: shouldn't you have thought of that -before-? |
| 02:01.18 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: for what? |
| 02:01.26 | Compaq_Owner | proftpd |
| 02:01.32 | cureless | daeos: you hang on mail from? not rcpt to? |
| 02:01.40 | daeos | cureless: correct |
| 02:01.41 | JordiGH | I.e. that it really is resizing and that all will be well in a few more hours. :) |
| 02:01.44 | stoned | I would always recommend vsftpd, don't ask me why |
| 02:01.59 | ecdemo | if this was Trump server, we know what he would have said to you... |
| 02:01.59 | JordiGH | From the ntfs site: "if your keyboard and mouse stop responding, just be patient." |
| 02:02.00 | cureless | daeos: and no errors on the postfix logs? |
| 02:02.06 | JordiGH | ntfsresize site |
| 02:02.07 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: i'm confused what you're trying to do/change? |
| 02:02.18 | fisxoj | can someone help me get the devfs working? |
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| 02:02.44 | stoned | JordiGH, what is your system setup, what are you doing? and what are you trying to do? there might be some other possibly better solutions to your problem |
| 02:02.46 | cureless | daeos: /var/log/mail.err maybe? |
| 02:03.01 | avont_ | Azar: so what do i do? i think my sound card is on the motherboard, my video chip is |
| 02:03.03 | slinn | 21:01:58 < abrotman> Compaq_Owner: for what? |
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| 02:03.18 | Azar | pipeline: last year in october I got the Sarge CDs. I have the woody CDs already. I had a brand new PC with SATA enabled: tried Sarge installer: won't even boot from that CD. Tried woody: booted and installed. 2.4.18 ofcourse. It worked until I tried to upgrade the kernel then it warned me. meanwhile I got the time to see all hardware while at it. bottom line: Sarge would not even boot up the installer on that machine |
| 02:03.52 | ecdemo | Azar: what sata chipset? |
| 02:03.52 | Azar | avont_: open the box, look and find or call your PC manufacturer. Come back only when you got the name of the card. |
| 02:04.36 | stoned | Azar, you make it sound as if sarge is the culprit |
| 02:04.36 | JordiGH | stoned: Well, there is no turning back now but waiting. And the hard drive light *is* on, so I suppose some activity is going on in there. (I can't hear any activity, but these hard drives are very silent). I had an NTFS|Ext3|Swap setup, in that order. Wanted to shrink ntfs and enlarge ext3. Currently shrinking NTFS, hopefully. |
| 02:04.36 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: where do you add users for ptoftps? |
| 02:04.37 | Compaq_Owner | *proftpd |
| 02:04.37 | Azar | ecdemo: do not remember was a box I gifted a friend , installed Debian on it through woody |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: i use /etc/passwd users ... |
| 02:04.39 | ecdemo | maybe silicon image |
| 02:04.40 | stoned | JordiGH, smoke a blunt or two, watch some movies, fornicate with your partner, and check it tomorrow |
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| 02:04.42 | Azar | stoned, Sarge is rigid. Woody is more flexible at hardware borks |
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| 02:04.52 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: you didn't specify a need for virtual users |
| 02:04.58 | beardy | avont_: If you haven't already, search the web for information about your motherboard, if the card is onboard, you should be able to find out what chip it is. And also, as so many have said, just open the box and check what kind of card, and what the name of it is. |
| 02:05.03 | JordiGH | stoned: Hm... fornication sounds good... 'cept my partner is broken too right now. :( |
| 02:05.29 | ecdemo | fornicate with your partner, check it the next day, if it fell off, kick partner to curb :) |
| 02:05.38 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: so would my shell login work? |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | it should |
| 02:06.45 | Compaq_Owner | ok |
| 02:06.52 | Compaq_Owner | how do you create a new user? |
| 02:06.55 | Compaq_Owner | in debian |
| 02:06.56 | daeos | here's what i see |
| 02:06.58 | daeos | Mar 28 01:57:18 localhost postfix/trivial-rewrite[6260]: fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf(0,100): table lookup problem |
| 02:06.59 | m1ke_l | useradd |
| 02:07.01 | daeos | Mar 28 01:57:27 localhost authdaemond.mysql: authmysql: MYSQL_CRYPT_PWFIELD and MYSQL_CLEAR_PWFIELD not set in /etc/courier/authmysqlrc. |
| 02:07.04 | daeos | Mar 28 01:57:32 localhost imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[::ffff:192.168.1.101] |
| 02:07.05 | Compaq_Owner | cause i've used debian/linux for about 2 hours now |
| 02:07.14 | m1ke_l | man useradd |
| 02:07.15 | Azar | beardy: I did that for him, googled with info from his lspci and ISA or PCI there is a definite ESS sound but the specific version not known |
| 02:07.18 | stoned | Azar, I have installed sarge(in its testing days, last year), on a plethora of various hardware configurations, ranging from brand spanking new harware, as well as old hardware, and it worked great, I regretfully must say I moved to ubuntu in the meantime, but now sarge is stable and its running on this desktop right now. I only wanted to know if it was _REALLY_ stable enough to be used as a server, because the only way I will be administ |
| 02:07.18 | stoned | ering this machine is remotely. |
| 02:07.22 | ecdemo | man useradd, man adduser |
| 02:07.30 | Compaq_Owner | nvm |
| 02:07.45 | daeos | cureless: thats what i found in mail.err |
| 02:07.49 | ecdemo | useradd is more convoluted, but it will do the job if you do it right |
| 02:07.50 | avont_ | open the computer case? |
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| 02:08.06 | Compaq_Owner | so would typing useradd shinsen work? |
| 02:08.10 | avont_ | Azar: open the computer case? and look for the card? which one is the card?is the name on the carD? |
| 02:08.10 | cureless | daeos: are you doing imap logins? |
| 02:08.14 | ecdemo | man useradd |
| 02:08.18 | ecdemo | and see |
| 02:08.23 | daeos | cureless: thats what i want |
| 02:08.31 | daeos | cureless: i do want to use imap |
| 02:08.35 | cureless | daeos: but I thought you were testing the smtp server |
| 02:08.54 | Azar | stoned: Debian in general is a love/hate affair and a good experience, at least for me. Sometimes I hate it other times I adore it, it is a continous learning process. When I gave up on it several times, I missed it. |
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| 02:09.08 | daeos | cureless: OMG, smtp!!! .... now im lost as to how to configure this boy you weren't kidding yesterday |
| 02:09.30 | Azar | avont_: where did you got that computer from? when? |
| 02:09.39 | cureless | daeos: postfix does smtp, when you telnet to port 25 that's what you are doing, not imap. |
| 02:09.57 | cureless | daeos, though the smtp server is "on the way" to the imap server. |
| 02:10.21 | fisxoj | anybody know why my computer says it's using all of the partition when right next to the 100% it says 6,2GB / 6,5GB ? |
| 02:10.27 | fisxoj | df -h, that is |
| 02:10.42 | cureless | fisxoj: there is a percentage of space per partition reserved for root. |
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| 02:10.55 | storyteller | Hello all |
| 02:10.58 | daeos | cureless: ok...so...the smtp is screwed up some how ... |
| 02:10.59 | cureless | fisxoj: normally it's 5%. |
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| 02:11.33 | stoned | Azar, yeah, I have ALWAYS had a debian running in my house, stable or otherwise, as well as windows, imac, and other linux distros, but i've always had debian. My system broke a few times on sid and I realized that I can't keep doing this, it is very time consuming, fixing a system after every sid upgrade which messes up is a pain. So now I work with sarge. I don't mind old software, I just want absolutely no application crashes (as min |
| 02:11.33 | avont_ | i don't know , my mom ggot it from me frmo some computer store |
| 02:11.33 | stoned | imal as possible, anyway) and very good security(i go to school for CIS, so thats kinds covered) |
| 02:11.42 | cureless | daeos: postfix does smtp. The problem you are having is probably due to the mysql authentication you have. But, unless I reproduce your setup there are many things that could be the cause. |
| 02:11.48 | likeafox | Why do my "Show Desktop", "window List", and "Workspace Switcher" applets die unexpectedly every time I start gnome? |
| 02:11.52 | fisxoj | ok, so I'm using up everything? |
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| 02:12.00 | avont_ | i was able to have sound when i had windows xp |
| 02:12.07 | cureless | daeos: start by getting postfix to work, no mysql, to deliver to normal system users. (before you introduce virtual users) |
| 02:12.12 | avont_ | i switched frmo xp to linux cause i dosome c++ programming |
| 02:12.22 | lex | c++ sucks in both... |
| 02:12.27 | daeos | cureless: what would i do to start down that path |
| 02:12.28 | dvs | !lart lex |
| 02:12.30 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: how do you give an accoutn a password? |
| 02:12.43 | cureless | daeos: change the config of postfix. |
| 02:12.48 | beardy | Compaq_Owner: man passwd |
| 02:12.51 | Azar | stew I googled for specs for avont_ hardware from his lspci and here I found an identical hardware configuration as his but I would not be sure that his audio would be the same: scroll down on it: http://archives.linmodems.org/18622 |
| 02:12.58 | cureless | fisxoj: you can change the reserved blocks using tune2fs. |
| 02:13.04 | daeos | would dpkg do that? |
| 02:13.07 | stoned | likeafox, "killall -9 gnome-panel && gnome-panel" in console. Then use your gnome-panel as you would normally, then when it crashes, you'll get the errors in console, help you figure out what the problem is |
| 02:13.13 | daeos | or am i going to muck in the cf files |
| 02:13.20 | storyteller | I'm running archlinux, but trying to help someone who is running debian. In arch, after upgrading to kernel 2.6.15 and current udev, all I had to do to get sound modules to correctly load was to add MOD_AUTOLOAD="yes" to my rc.conf file and delte the contents of modprobe.conf. How is this handled in debian please? |
| 02:13.29 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: passwd <username> |
| 02:13.30 | ecdemo | avont_, have you learned make yet? |
| 02:13.31 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:13.31 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 02:13.35 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: ^^ |
| 02:13.37 | Azar | avont_: you should have written down all your hardware specs while you were using xp |
| 02:13.48 | avont_ | well |
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| 02:14.00 | avont_ | i was in device manager, and under sound a lot of stuff was sauing crystal something |
| 02:14.16 | beardy | storyteller: "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" copy it to your friend |
| 02:14.25 | Azar | avont_: this is the minimal a PC owner can do : record and keep the hardware specs. Next time you do that |
| 02:14.25 | dvs | avont_: lspci | grep audio |
| 02:14.28 | ecdemo | crystal semiconductor |
| 02:14.32 | stew | Azar: that's not an identical hardware configuration, that is someone with a ensonic pci card |
| 02:14.40 | beardy | dvs: It's not PCI. |
| 02:14.46 | stoned | Azar, I have never had to install many drivers in linux. On windows, I have to make sure I keep the drivers for every little goddamn thing safe in a drawer on cds. |
| 02:14.56 | dvs | beardy: ISA? Heaven forbid! |
| 02:15.01 | cureless | daeos: either way. You can reinstall the original config files or mock with them yourself. They are relatively straight forward. Read, modify, restart postfix, see if it works. there should be exmaple configs in the /usr/share/doc/postfix dir. |
| 02:15.25 | fisxoj | cureless: sorry, but how do I use it |
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| 02:15.33 | stoned | Azar, pretty much nothing works in the 'plug n play' windows bullshit. Linux however, debian to be specific in my experience, is amazing at hardware detection and stuff |
| 02:15.35 | fisxoj | I have the program, but it just gives me halpe text |
| 02:15.37 | cureless | fisxoj: man tune2fs |
| 02:15.42 | storyteller | beardy: He installed alsa and ran alsaconf. In arch the modprobe.conf entries produced by alsaconf conflict with udev, and thus users are urged not to use alsaconf. I'm not sure if debian is the same |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | dvs: not isa either |
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| 02:15.47 | avont_ | Azar: ok |
| 02:15.58 | beardy | dvs: It seems so, or some winonly-hardware crap. |
| 02:16.03 | stoned | Azar, I use so many tinker toys and gadgets on my pc, and i've never had a problem under linux, only on windows trying to find the drives and install em etc. |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | !mca |
| 02:16.05 | dpkg | [mca] Micro Channel Architecture, the bus used in IBM PS/2 machines. http://glycerine.itsmm.uni.edu/mca/ or is out of date. |
| 02:16.08 | dvs | beardy: Ok. That's worse |
| 02:16.10 | beardy | heh |
| 02:16.12 | ecdemo | avont_ go back to device manager and find out EXACTLY COMPLETELY what it says about the chipset |
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| 02:16.20 | Azar | stoned: in any case I like to keep my hardware references handy any time I switch the OS or upgrade to a new release.. you never know when it comes handy |
| 02:16.42 | fisxoj | right! thanks |
| 02:16.44 | stoned | Azar, of course I can't argue against that, I do the same thing, but I was just saying... |
| 02:16.45 | avont_ | ecdemo:be queit, im not gonna go and install windows xp ll over againthen come back and install debian again |
| 02:17.19 | stew | avont_: if it was crystal something, then try these: modprobe snd-cs4236, modprobe snd-cs4232 ; modprobe snd-cs4231 |
| 02:17.22 | stoned | windows for me sucks and I think thats about all I was saying |
| 02:17.23 | stoned | :) |
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| 02:17.32 | ecdemo | you're telling people what to do again... didn't you get silenced for that yesterday? |
| 02:17.38 | dvs | avont_: Then try Knoppix. |
| 02:17.53 | ecdemo | actually yeah, that's a good point |
| 02:17.53 | stoned | that is indeed a very good suggesstion |
| 02:17.56 | stew | avont_: ecdemo: use /ignore |
| 02:17.58 | dvs | avont_: It's a live CD so you won't have to install anything. All you have to do is boot from CD |
| 02:18.02 | beardy | avont_: Did you get any driver cd:s when you bought the machine, that can give you a clue about what card it is? (Just open the box and look..) |
| 02:18.09 | abrotman | there should be a /deathmatch |
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| 02:18.24 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: could you give me the string to sue the password for user shinsen? |
| 02:18.31 | abrotman | no |
| 02:18.32 | Compaq_Owner | cause it makes jnos ense to me |
| 02:18.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | passwd shinsen |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | i thought you wanted me to make the password |
| 02:18.59 | Compaq_Owner | no |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:19.02 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 02:19.04 | stoned | I would say, use Damn Small Linux to install a minimal debian system with the knoppix type HW detection and configuration, then install the dpkg stuff in DSL linux and start building your debian system from there. Its good to get familiar with debian and linux before you try an actual install where knoppix isn't doing the hw work for you |
| 02:19.13 | Compaq_Owner | i spent 190 mminutes lookingat how passwd works |
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| 02:19.14 | beardy | Compaq_Owner: Did you read the manpage? |
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| 02:19.22 | stoned | then once you get going, go with installing debian sarge or what not |
| 02:19.25 | Compaq_Owner | beardy: totally useless |
| 02:19.33 | beardy | Compaq_Owner: I doubt that. |
| 02:19.39 | fisxoj | cureless: how many blocks do I want to use? |
| 02:19.41 | pipeline | stoned: Uh, that would be moronic. |
| 02:19.44 | beardy | !tell Compaq_Owner -about reference |
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| 02:19.51 | cureless | fisxoj: what partition is it? |
| 02:19.56 | fisxoj | hda1 |
| 02:19.57 | pipeline | stoned: Never to mention that sarge comes with discover anyway. |
| 02:20.00 | stoned | pipeline, really, because thats how I got introduced to debian |
| 02:20.08 | Compaq_Owner | lol |
| 02:20.08 | cureless | fisxoj: but what is it used for? |
| 02:20.21 | pipeline | stoned: I'm sure you hosed your system mixing them. It's nearly impossible not to. |
| 02:20.23 | fisxoj | for root, and /home is hda6 |
| 02:20.30 | JordiGH | I got introduced to Debian when every single machine in the lab had Debian and I had no other choice. |
| 02:20.40 | JordiGH | It worked for Windows, didn't it? |
| 02:20.40 | stoned | pipeline, then I was like debian based huh, lets go to the base, and then I install sarge and been using debiain ever since |
| 02:20.52 | daeos | cureless: i commented out the mysql virtual settings in the main.cf file |
| 02:20.52 | cureless | fisxoj: you still want some space reserved for root usage, so you could set it to 1% |
| 02:21.01 | avont_ | stew: it didn't do anything |
| 02:21.12 | stoned | pipeline, you misunderstood me, I never said anything about mixing the two, only about familiarizing yourself with linux before you try an ACTUAL install |
| 02:21.15 | daeos | cureless: what would i do to use mail locally with this server? just "mail" at prompt? |
| 02:21.21 | pipeline | stoned: Whatever for? A monkey could install sarge. |
| 02:21.25 | stew | avont_: none of those modprobe commands returned anything? |
| 02:21.30 | avont_ | stop saying open the box and look, i don't know what to look for |
| 02:21.30 | Compaq_Owner | is there a way to limit monthy bw useage? |
| 02:21.32 | fisxoj | so, tune2fs -r 1% /dev/hda1? |
| 02:21.44 | cureless | daeos: just telnet to port 25 like before, remember to restart postfix or at least reload the config |
| 02:21.45 | avont_ | i dind't try the last one, but it proballyt won't do anything either |
| 02:21.46 | fisxoj | or do I have to figure out the 1 percent on my own |
| 02:21.48 | stoned | pipeline, what is your point |
| 02:22.03 | cureless | fisxoj: read the man page, use the -m flag. |
| 02:22.05 | stew | avont_: if they didn't return anything, that might be a good thing |
| 02:22.05 | daeos | cureless i restarted it |
| 02:22.11 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: is there a way to limit monthy bw useage? |
| 02:22.26 | stoned | pipeline, If i get you correctly, you mean to say that live cds are useless and we all should just intall debian |
| 02:22.26 | stew | avont_: can you put the output of "dmesg | tail -50" into a pastebin? |
| 02:22.32 | cureless | daeos: then just do the telnet trick. |
| 02:22.41 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: yes .. can't think of it right now |
| 02:22.43 | beardy | avont_: You do know how the phones-port, or mic input look likem right? Look what they lead to inside the box, it's not hard. |
| 02:22.43 | pipeline | stoned: Pretty much. |
| 02:22.48 | daeos | cureless: it worked |
| 02:22.53 | stoned | pipeline, I disagree |
| 02:22.54 | daeos | cureless: i got 250 Ok |
| 02:22.59 | pipeline | stoned: You're not going to notice the advantages of debian over other systems just playing with the desktop. One desktop is much the same as the next :P |
| 02:23.03 | daeos | so there's my issue |
| 02:23.07 | cureless | daeos: yes, your mysql setup has problems. |
| 02:23.10 | stew | avont_: i would have expected those commands to return an error, if they didn't its possible that we've made progress |
| 02:23.10 | ecdemo | stoned: which is an absolute statement and obvously not true in every case |
| 02:23.15 | daeos | dang it |
| 02:23.18 | cureless | daeos: are you sure mysql is running? |
| 02:23.20 | pipeline | stoned: gnome on debian is the same as gnome on solaris is the same as gnome on redhat :P |
| 02:23.36 | stoned | pipeline, if you had looked closely at what I had been saying, instead of trying to find faults in it, you'd know what I am saying |
| 02:23.45 | daeos | cureless: i can use mysql at prompt to make changes and also use phpmyadmin to admin it |
| 02:23.49 | JordiGH | 'cept the Gnome on Redhat has Redhat icons. |
| 02:23.52 | daeos | cureless: so yes it is |
| 02:23.54 | fisxoj | cureless: thanks, retrying now |
| 02:23.57 | beardy | avont_: But do as you please, listen to stew's advice and good luck. |
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| 02:24.05 | pipeline | stoned: I just don't follow at all, I'm afraid. |
| 02:24.07 | avont_ | ok |
| 02:24.09 | stoned | pipeline, what does a desktop env. have anything to do with learning how to use debian? |
| 02:24.11 | avont_ | Stew: now what |
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| 02:24.16 | pipeline | JordiGH: Heh, I have the redhat-artwork package on my debian :) |
| 02:24.19 | cureless | daeos: I normally don't use mysql cause it's too much overhead for my simple setups. I can't give you too much help with that (without doing it myself). |
| 02:24.25 | fisxoj | THANK YOU CURELESS! |
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| 02:24.27 | fisxoj | woo |
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| 02:24.32 | cureless | daeos: but I can tell you that doing all this takes time. |
| 02:24.34 | stew | 21:24 < stew> avont_: can you put the output of "dmesg | tail -50" into a pastebin? |
| 02:24.37 | stew | avont_: ^^ |
| 02:24.40 | cureless | fisxoj: you're welcome. |
| 02:24.47 | ecdemo | pipeline: are you truely misunderstanding, or refusing to acknowledge? |
| 02:24.55 | daeos | cureless: want to help me do it with me? |
| 02:24.59 | sys5 | can anyone direct me to a reputable study routine for passing lpic 101-102? |
| 02:25.06 | cureless | daeos: read up on other how-tos, like from the postfix site. |
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| 02:25.14 | daeos | cureless: ok |
| 02:25.15 | cureless | daeos: I charge $150 an hour for this. |
| 02:25.26 | avont_ | hold |
| 02:25.38 | cureless | daeos: and I don't feel that generous today :-) |
| 02:25.39 | pipeline | ecdemo: The beauty of debian is the universal package system that also serves as the method of development. Tooling around with a livecd doesn't really highlight the advantages of debian relative to other, similar UNIX systems. |
| 02:25.41 | stoned | line |
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| 02:26.38 | avont_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/628048 |
| 02:26.38 | cureless | daeos: but read up, if you have time you'll figure it out. |
| 02:26.52 | ecdemo | pipeline: is it always appropriate for every user considering say linux, to install debian instead of say booting a live cd such as knoppix? true for -every- case? |
| 02:27.02 | daeos | cureless: i've got lots of it |
| 02:27.11 | lightcap | I'm totally confused. Isn't swap set up in /etc/fstab? |
| 02:27.13 | pipeline | ecdemo: Oh, perhaps not the user considering linux in general. But linux in general's a pretty big thing. |
| 02:27.26 | lightcap | I don't see it there anymore, but I have swap according to free |
| 02:27.30 | stew | avont_: ad1848: PnP reports 'CS4236B' at i/o 0x534, irq 5, dma 1, 3 |
| 02:27.35 | stew | avont_: if found your sound card |
| 02:27.38 | cureless | daeos: then don't despair, read up , try it yoursef. if you get stuck, document your problem, try to find help here or at other channels (#postfix) |
| 02:27.40 | stew | ^if^it |
| 02:27.47 | ecdemo | howbout the user considering a debianlike packaging system? (again, -considering-) |
| 02:28.08 | stew | avont_: try alsamixer now |
| 02:28.13 | daeos | ok |
| 02:28.20 | avont_ | ok |
| 02:28.25 | ecdemo | ok |
| 02:28.30 | dvs | nope |
| 02:28.34 | JordiGH | Shit... this is taking too long. I wonder what would happen if I forcibly shut off the hardware while ntfsresize is possibly working. |
| 02:28.34 | avont_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 02:28.45 | dvs | stew: isn't that OSS? |
| 02:28.57 | cureless | JordiGH: did we not tell you yesterday it was possible but not easy. |
| 02:28.59 | stew | dvs: no, anything that starts with snd- is alsa |
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| 02:29.08 | cureless | JordiGH: did you defrag before resizing NTFS? |
| 02:29.10 | avont_ | stew: im gonna go shower, i'll be back later, but please aim me if you can at avont29 |
| 02:29.16 | stoned | pipeline, all of the students I started off with a live cd, and all the students I started off with a direct debian install (I give lectures at LUG meetings), I have noticed that people who use debian directly as the installer and so forth get confused, they don't know half those thigns, partitioning, file systems, etc. blah blah. But after a few days, many of the live cd class students were able to isntall debian on their own, whereas th |
| 02:29.16 | stoned | e students who were directly started off with debian found it more difficult to grasp linux concept. I concluded that people who start into linux with a live cd, get familiar with it, then try to install linux, do much better than people who just into it. does that make any sense at all? and you said live cds are pretty much useless? you don't live under a rock do you? :) |
| 02:29.16 | avont_ | i'll be back in 20 mins |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:29.20 | avont_ | *idles* |
| 02:29.31 | JordiGH | cureless: Today. And it's not necessary to defrag with ntfsresize. It knows how to move data around, which is presumably what it's doing right now. |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | nvz: :) |
| 02:30.00 | stoned | heh |
| 02:30.09 | lightcap | lol, I was looking at my uml /etc/fstab..thats why there was no swap in fstab :) |
| 02:30.09 | cureless | JordiGH: yes, it is not necessary but recommended. And yes, that's why it's taking long. Now sit back and go get yourself something to eat. |
| 02:30.15 | magyar | is there any email client that is easy to use with imap accounts? |
| 02:30.15 | pipeline | stoned: Heh, I actually do, in effect, live under a rock. I basically leave the house to go to work. And my work is teaching. So rock, ivory tower, whatever :P |
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| 02:30.27 | abrotman | magyar: most of them .. find other requirements |
| 02:30.32 | pipeline | magyar: Err, most of them, really. Evolution and thunderbird are both quite nice. Opera and kmail are tolerable. |
| 02:30.33 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: so is there a standard directory for apt-get to install to> |
| 02:30.34 | JordiGH | cureless: I'm just scared 'cause it's frozen. |
| 02:30.42 | pipeline | Compaq_Owner: apt-get installs to /usr by default :P |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: install what to? |
| 02:30.58 | Compaq_Owner | like i mjsut installed bit tornado |
| 02:31.05 | Compaq_Owner | and have no idea where it is |
| 02:31.05 | cureless | stoned: even though your findings might be true they might not be a causal correlation. |
| 02:31.06 | beardy | Compaq_Owner: man hier |
| 02:31.07 | JordiGH | My only hope is that little hard drive light is still on. |
| 02:31.11 | pipeline | Compaq_Owner: it will be in /usr ... |
| 02:31.12 | analia | hello. i have a big problem with X. after restart it says "No input driver matching mouse" and "No input driver matching keyboard". Debian Sarge |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 02:31.18 | magyar | pipeline: i need to be able to create filters for mail that is comming in to place in a specific folders |
| 02:31.21 | stoned | pipeline, hehe, I feel you man. I just leave my house to go to school thats it. |
| 02:31.27 | pipeline | magyar: evolution and thunderbird both do that. |
| 02:31.31 | stew | ok, so we finally got to the bottom of avont_, if he comes back *pleaes* someone remember that the driver he needs is snd-cs4236 |
| 02:31.32 | analia | and dpkg-reconfigure does not overwrites my own config |
| 02:31.38 | analia | ideas_ |
| 02:31.39 | analia | ? |
| 02:31.42 | magyar | pipeline: kmail doesnt i suppose |
| 02:31.43 | stew | becuase going through all of that again would be criminal |
| 02:31.47 | beardy | !beer stew |
| 02:31.51 | stoned | cureless, of course its a HUGE generalization, and of course this wasn't a properly conducted experiment, but nevertheless, it holds some value |
| 02:31.53 | pipeline | magyar: I don't know. Probably not. kmail is a tad primitive. It's decent, though. |
| 02:31.56 | avont_ | stew |
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| 02:31.57 | ecdemo | cureless: what do you think the background of a student needs to be to install debian? |
| 02:31.58 | avont_ | ok |
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| 02:32.01 | avont_ | i'll write it down |
| 02:32.03 | daeos | !beer daeos |
| 02:32.05 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: don't touch me there! |
| 02:32.10 | pipeline | ecdemo: The student must have a finger. |
| 02:32.12 | scarynetworkguy | Yay? |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:32.33 | ecdemo | doesn't have to know about partitioning? computers in general? |
| 02:32.40 | daeos | !beer cureless |
| 02:32.41 | avont_ | stew: i wrote it down, i'll be back in 20 mins :) |
| 02:32.48 | ecdemo | could be spock without a brain? :) |
| 02:32.55 | pipeline | ecdemo: The installer will handle all that crap for you. |
| 02:33.02 | stoned | ugh, star**** geeks! |
| 02:33.10 | pipeline | ecdemo: Put in CD, press enter. Wait a few seconds. Press enter. Wait a few seconds. Press enter. Wait a few seconds. Press enter. |
| 02:33.14 | pipeline | ecdemo: A dipping bird could do it :P |
| 02:33.17 | cureless | stoned: it shows that taking a couple of small steps might be easier than a huge leap. Not necessarily that the live cds are the correct first small step |
| 02:33.22 | Compaq_Owner | ok |
| 02:33.29 | ecdemo | ok, let's ask the source again... |
| 02:33.52 | icaro | i need repos for debian or ubuntu 64bit please |
| 02:33.56 | stoned | cureless, of course, thats been my argument from the start, wich a case study specific to debian, but the yes, the principal remains constant |
| 02:34.04 | cureless | ecdemo: maybe some simple knowledge about partitioning, packages, etc. I bet 1-2 hours and a "cheat sheet" would help out a lot. |
| 02:34.13 | ecdemo | stoned: what were the backgrounds of the students before they took the debian/livecd classes |
| 02:34.25 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: how do i run a python file? |
| 02:34.43 | ecdemo | cureless: do you think that in the case where they don't know those things yet, they could be helped by a live cd? |
| 02:34.45 | abrotman | my running it with python |
| 02:34.46 | analia | hello. i have a big problem with X. after restart it says "No input driver matching mouse" and "No input driver matching keyboard". Debian Sarge. some ideas where to search? |
| 02:34.54 | abrotman | !tell Compaq_Owner about grounding |
| 02:34.55 | cureless | stoned: btw, I taught BSD administration classes (including instalation). |
| 02:35.08 | JordiGH | analia: Yes. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 02:35.28 | JordiGH | analia: As root. Then try to see how well you do with the pop quiz that comes up. |
| 02:35.29 | cureless | ecdemo: maybe, but they might be helped more by a printed sheet of paper. |
| 02:35.40 | stoned | ecdemo, 11 new people to our LUG group, who never used anything but Microsoft Windows, They were MS nerds, so they knew basica of all stuff like file ssytems, partitionings etc, about 7 of them didn't know much about windows, except gaming and entertainment, academics etc. Only 2 out of 11 users had used unix at school. |
| 02:36.22 | Compaq_Owner | stoned: lug? |
| 02:36.25 | stoned | ecdemo, there were a few who had taken pascal and gw/qbasic in jr. high and highschol etc. |
| 02:36.31 | stoned | Compaq_Owner, Linux Users Group |
| 02:36.31 | ecdemo | so it was those 11 that divided between debian install and knoppix live cd? |
| 02:36.36 | analia | JordiGH i have no Xorg, but XFree86 |
| 02:36.42 | JordiGH | analia: By the way, I had a similar problem once with a usb mouse. I had to choose /dev/input/mouse or something like that. |
| 02:36.42 | cureless | stoned, ecdemo we're getting off topic here. But there are also factors like "ooh, that looks cool I want it" vs "where is this process taking me". |
| 02:36.44 | stoned | Compaq_Owner, don't be surprised if there is one in your city |
| 02:36.45 | stew | JordiGH: here's a pop quiz for you! what x server does sarge have |
| 02:36.53 | analia | JordiGH but it does not overwrite my config! |
| 02:36.54 | Compaq_Owner | there is one |
| 02:36.55 | Compaq_Owner | vlug |
| 02:36.59 | JordiGH | analia: Really? I thought Sarge already used xorg. Well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:37.06 | daeos | !topic |
| 02:37.06 | stoned | stew, i know i know |
| 02:37.08 | stoned | :D |
| 02:37.18 | daeos | !grounded |
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| 02:37.23 | daeos | .... |
| 02:37.26 | daeos | oh well |
| 02:37.27 | signature16 | when i try to start proftpd it says, "unable to determine IP address of 'linuxtest' ...no valid server configured" whats wrong? |
| 02:37.30 | cureless | anyway, back to #debian |
| 02:37.34 | analia | JordiGH yes. i have tryed, and removed the config file, but new config never comes |
| 02:37.34 | JordiGH | analia: Ah, that might happen if you modified X |
| 02:37.46 | analia | JordiGH oh. and what can i do now_ |
| 02:37.48 | JordiGH | fmodified XFree86-4.config by hand. |
| 02:37.50 | cureless | signature16: did you configure your proftpd to run for domain linuxtest? |
| 02:37.59 | analia | JordiGH yes, modified. and now? |
| 02:38.12 | signature16 | cureless: no that i know of....its just the default instsall |
| 02:38.24 | stoned | signature16, proftpd has caused many problems for me, you could have a look at vsftpd. Small, light, fast, and very very secure and configurable. |
| 02:38.25 | cureless | signature16: have you changed any of the config? |
| 02:38.25 | JordiGH | analia: Hm, try a different device for the mouse. /dev/input/mice |
| 02:38.56 | analia | JordiGH fine... but... with the modified X config file, how can i tell dpkg-reconfigure to overwrite it |
| 02:39.05 | cureless | signature16: check the config file. Some servers need to be configure before running. (I don't know the exact case of proftpd, it's been along time since I've used ftp servers). |
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| 02:39.14 | Ox3bf | Hello guys, can anyone tell me how to implement firewall on a small network without bridging |
| 02:39.20 | analia | JordiGH i know is there som md5 checksum, but cant find where |
| 02:39.25 | JordiGH | analia: I forget exactly how, but the X config file itself says how, in the comments at the top. |
| 02:39.27 | cureless | analia: this is written on the config file as a comment. |
| 02:39.51 | stoned | analia, as root: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 02:39.57 | analia | thanks cureless |
| 02:40.15 | stoned | analia, substitude that with xorg.conf if you have xorg |
| 02:40.48 | lightcap | how do I disable the tmpfs that's mounted on /dev/shm by default? I don't think I need it for anything and I'd rather mount a tmpfs on /tmp for my UMLs |
| 02:40.52 | ecdemo | Ox3bf: generally, you'd use netfilter to do that... if you're interested in a 1 real IP <--> many NATed IPs, you might be interested in the more-specific ipmasq package |
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| 02:41.19 | stew | analia: if you actually removed /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then "touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" then run the md5sum command as stoned says |
| 02:41.22 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: oh |
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| 02:41.25 | ecdemo | (have your network interfaces (yes, that's plural) configured completely before installing ipmasq |
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| 02:41.28 | ecdemo | ) |
| 02:41.29 | lonewlf | I need to install some nVidia drivers and can't get X to shut down, anyone have a solution? |
| 02:41.51 | Ox3bf | ok. ipmasq it is |
| 02:41.54 | cureless | lonewlf: control-alt-backspace |
| 02:42.00 | analia | fine |
| 02:42.01 | lonewlf | Did that, just logged me out. |
| 02:42.01 | stew | lonewlf: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 02:42.11 | lonewlf | What's ?dm? |
| 02:42.11 | cureless | lonewlf: so? |
| 02:42.14 | ecdemo | other than that specific (but common) usage, you can also try #netfilter and #networking |
| 02:42.24 | cureless | lonewlf: ?dm xdm, kdm, gdm, stop it. |
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| 02:42.29 | lonewlf | cureless: it didn't let me get out of X |
| 02:42.32 | stew | cureless: so his point is that the xserver restarts when he runs c-a-bksp |
| 02:42.41 | lonewlf | stew: correct |
| 02:42.55 | cureless | lonewlf: control-alt-F1, log in, then stop it. |
| 02:42.56 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: Actually i want to control my local network activity with iptables |
| 02:42.58 | JordiGH | Why do you want to stop X for installing nvidia drivers? |
| 02:43.09 | lonewlf | It throws an error saying I need to. |
| 02:43.19 | stew | lonewlf: either stop the dm as I told you or hit ctrl-alt-bksp several times in a row |
| 02:43.21 | JordiGH | Ah, really? I've never seen that before. |
| 02:43.22 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: all clients will go through my standalone pc (firewalL) |
| 02:43.33 | ecdemo | having iptables installed, and the modules for netfilter installed will help with that :) |
| 02:43.37 | lonewlf | Alright, well I'll brb then. |
| 02:43.47 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: modules? |
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| 02:44.25 | stoned | !calc Ox3bf |
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| 02:44.29 | lightcap | will removing /etc/default/tmpfs effectively disable tmpfs on /dev/shm as mounted by mountvirtfs? or will it simply use the system default? |
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| 02:44.36 | ecdemo | yes, netfilter/iptables is organized as a userland command line tool and many kernel modules each implementing one function |
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| 02:45.08 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: the pc to act as firewall has two NIC |
| 02:45.09 | ecdemo | if you installed a debian kernel image, they're probably there |
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| 02:45.15 | ecdemo | good |
| 02:45.35 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: one go to external, and one for internal (share with a hub) |
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| 02:45.40 | ecdemo | good |
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| 02:45.51 | ecdemo | that's the usual way |
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| 02:46.35 | Ox3bf | so can I use iptables without bridging? |
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| 02:47.05 | ecdemo | I'm pretty sure the answer is yes |
| 02:47.21 | daeos | cureless: i was at one point trying to figure out why my sql tables would auto create as latin-swedish_ci so i had to force it into utf8_bin then i ran into issues with making a text field |
| 02:47.41 | cureless | daeos: ... ok |
| 02:47.52 | ecdemo | do you mean that ip address 1.2.3.4 on the internal side isn't going to ip address 1.2.3.4 ou the external side? |
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| 02:48.06 | ecdemo | that's what you mean by "not bridging"? |
| 02:48.38 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: oh.i want to prevent my network from accesing some sites |
| 02:48.57 | ecdemo | so you want to control that at the gateway. you can do that |
| 02:49.25 | Peizhao | hi, how can I check that ACPI is disabled in my debian system |
| 02:49.27 | Compaq_Owner | abrotman: do i need to restart proftpd after adding new users to the box? |
| 02:49.30 | ecdemo | it's all about the learning curve |
| 02:49.46 | avont_ | stew: i'm back |
| 02:50.19 | daeos | cureless: want to see the error i get? |
| 02:50.30 | ecdemo | you learn it, it won't throw you a curveball :) |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | Compaq_Owner: doubtful |
| 02:50.41 | cureless | daeos: not really. somebody else might. I don't really like mysql. |
| 02:50.50 | daeos | lol |
| 02:51.19 | avont_ | where can i download snd-cs4236 driver |
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| 02:51.32 | dvs | avont_: What kernel? |
| 02:51.35 | daeos | #1170 - BLOB/TEXT column 'destination' used in key specification without a key length |
| 02:51.35 | ecdemo | you might have it now |
| 02:51.49 | dvs | avont_: uname -r |
| 02:52.14 | stew | avont_: you already have it, "echo snd-cs4236 >> /etc/modules" then reboot |
| 02:52.31 | avont_ | ok |
| 02:52.47 | Peizhao | anyone know how to check ACPI is disabled?? |
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| 02:53.12 | Azar | stew newbie question here: could one find a hardware spec by looking at bios? |
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| 02:53.26 | avont_ | stew: when i typed that, it returned snd-cs4236 |
| 02:53.45 | dvs | avont_: Type everything inside the quotes on the command line as root |
| 02:53.45 | stew | ugh |
| 02:54.01 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: oh i think i route all client to the firewall |
| 02:54.02 | stew | Azar: what do you mean? what exactly are you after? |
| 02:54.25 | Ox3bf | ecdemo: and i have to nat my firewall to the router |
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| 02:54.42 | Azar | stew, just general info, say like avont_ , one can't find info on the sound, could that info be found in bios? reboot > go to bios > look ? |
| 02:54.56 | stew | Azar: not any bios i've seen |
| 02:55.07 | Azar | stew, that'd do, thanks |
| 02:55.11 | cureless | Peizhao: I think there is a better way, but maybe looking at /proc/acpi or dmesg | grep ACPI |
| 02:55.53 | bwlang | the installer didn't put the module for my sata card into the initrd... anybody know how to fix it? |
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| 02:56.09 | bwlang | it won't mount -o loop from in the installer... |
| 02:56.17 | Peizhao | there is no acpi in /proc |
| 02:56.32 | Peizhao | is that mean acpi is disabled? |
| 02:56.33 | cureless | Peizhao: then you probably don't have acpi enabled. |
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| 02:56.47 | cureless | Peizhao: check dmesg. |
| 02:56.59 | stew | Peizhao: that means that the support for acpi isnt' loaded into your kenrel, do you want it to be? |
| 02:57.15 | Peizhao | the dmesg have been flush out by error message of wifi card |
| 02:57.29 | cureless | Peizhao: /var/log/dmesg then |
| 02:57.38 | Peizhao | no, I want ACPI disable |
| 02:58.03 | stew | Peizhao: blacklist the acpi module: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 02:58.54 | Phated | helix: ? |
| 02:59.34 | Peizhao | yes, there is not ACPI |
| 02:59.37 | Peizhao | thanks |
| 02:59.56 | Peizhao | anyone use Madwifi wifi card?? |
| 03:00.15 | cureless | Peizhao: one of my machines does. |
| 03:00.16 | stew | Peizhao: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 03:01.05 | abrotman | Phated: ? |
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| 03:01.12 | Peizhao | my problem is when I want to turn on the card, it said ath0: hardware error; resetting |
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| 03:01.32 | Peizhao | I compiled the driver and load it without any problem |
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| 03:02.01 | Peizhao | my target is device is MIPS 4k routerboard device |
| 03:02.11 | avont_ | back |
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| 03:02.20 | Peizhao | running debian 2.4.30 |
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| 03:02.46 | avont_ | now what do i do? type "alsamiser" in the terminal? |
| 03:03.43 | stew | avont_: does "lsmod | grep snd-cs4236" return a match? or nothing? |
| 03:04.06 | falkon | kernel build got an error, and I can't scroll up to see where. IS there any file created during the build that can tell me what went wrong? |
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| 03:04.30 | stew | falkon: how about ctrl-pageup |
| 03:04.35 | zenwryly | I'm looing to buy a portabl printer such as the Canon Pixma I90 or the HP DeskJet 460. Anyone know if either of these has better Linux support than another? |
| 03:04.49 | avont_ | nothing, it just went to the next line |
| 03:04.50 | abrotman | linux-printing.org |
| 03:04.56 | zenwryly | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:04.56 | pipeline | abrotman: beat me to the pucnh :P |
| 03:04.57 | avont_ | stew: just went to the nextline |
| 03:05.03 | falkon | stew: nope, when I hit pgup it just types a ~ |
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| 03:05.11 | stew | falkon: ctrl-pageup |
| 03:05.13 | abrotman | pipeline: punch? |
| 03:05.14 | Peizhao | anyone know how to solve the Hardware error problem with madwifi |
| 03:05.19 | falkon | stew: same |
| 03:05.29 | stew | avont_: what is the output of "tail -1 /etc/modules" |
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| 03:06.29 | cureless | Peizhao: are you sure the madwifi is MIPS compatible? |
| 03:06.38 | Peizhao | yes, |
| 03:06.38 | avont_ | stew: af_packet |
| 03:06.39 | avont_ | snd-cd4236 |
| 03:06.48 | Peizhao | I could load the madwifi |
| 03:06.48 | cureless | Peizhao: I see some questions about it online and it seems there's a HAL missing for MIPS. |
| 03:06.57 | stew | avont_: i quit. you cannot file directions |
| 03:07.00 | abrotman | isn't madwifi a binary driver? |
| 03:07.00 | stew | follow* |
| 03:07.07 | Peizhao | actually, I could use it before, |
| 03:07.20 | cureless | Peizhao: so what did you change? |
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| 03:07.30 | avont_ | stew: huh? |
| 03:07.35 | Peizhao | but when i reboot it, all gone, and when I turn it on, it said hardware error, reseting |
| 03:07.45 | Peizhao | nothing, just reboot |
| 03:07.47 | cureless | Peizhao: so did it ever work at all? |
| 03:08.06 | Peizhao | yes, I can scan my wireless router |
| 03:08.18 | cureless | Peizhao: I don't mean "it didn't give me any error", I mean "I can download all the unsenet articles that I want" kind of work. |
| 03:08.27 | stew | avont_: you clearly cannot follow basic instructions. i'm having trouble being patient with you and telling you the same things over and over until you get them right, good luck. i don't think debian is a good choice of os for you, btw, i'd recommend ubuntu |
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| 03:08.59 | Peizhao | after it works, I did change anything, just want to see if it work after I reboot, and the truth is no |
| 03:09.03 | ryan` | anyone know where the pcmcia init script is called from? |
| 03:09.15 | ryan` | what directory and SXX is it? |
| 03:09.31 | cureless | Peizhao: but did you get it to work and download something? at least get an ip address? |
| 03:09.37 | cureless | (if using DHCP) |
| 03:09.59 | avont_ | steW: i've done everything you said |
| 03:10.12 | shogunx | cureless he is building an access point. |
| 03:10.13 | avont_ | you said paste what it returned, it did return thta |
| 03:10.24 | Peizhao | no, but at that time , at least it can scan other wireless devices |
| 03:10.34 | Peizhao | but not now, can't do anything |
| 03:10.38 | avont_ | stew: i've done everything you said |
| 03:10.43 | cureless | Peizhao: do you have a hal file for mips 4k? |
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| 03:11.19 | Peizhao | http://forum.routerboard.com/viewtopic.php?p=12313#12313 |
| 03:11.36 | avont_ | stew: help |
| 03:11.43 | avont_ | stew: please |
| 03:11.52 | falkon | stew: is there any way to scroll up in the console mode? |
| 03:12.00 | stew | falkon: usually ctrl-pgup works |
| 03:12.32 | falkon | stew: not today, it just prints ~ |
| 03:12.56 | stew | falkon: try this: buildcommand 2>&1 | tee /tmp/logfile |
| 03:13.15 | shogunx | falkon shift+pgup |
| 03:13.16 | tuv | isn't it shift+pgup? |
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| 03:13.26 | stew | doh, it is |
| 03:13.40 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:14.23 | falkon | the error is coming when it's installing modules it seems |
| 03:14.25 | falkon | or testing |
| 03:14.27 | falkon | I'm not sure |
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| 03:14.36 | Peizhao | have you read it?? the first one is my message, basically, it should work, some people did it, |
| 03:14.37 | tuv | actually i went and tried ctrl-pgup before making any comment.. maybe it is something i didn't know! |
| 03:14.42 | cureless | Peizhao: I don't know. I have a few routerboards but the intel based ones. |
| 03:14.45 | avont_ | stew: what d yo mean? 've done everything you said, you said wahat was the output, and i told you |
| 03:15.12 | cureless | Peizhao: as for the other messages, there are different MIPS processors, I don't know which ones they have it working with. |
| 03:15.19 | Peizhao | also mips-le-elf.hal.o.uu is in the /madwifi/hal/public directory |
| 03:16.01 | Peizhao | can you add me with other communication tools for further discussion? |
| 03:16.45 | cureless | Peizhao: the MIPS 4K is both LE and BE. Is your kernel running LE? The default might be BE. |
| 03:16.59 | Peizhao | I have one i386 board as well, it works just fine |
| 03:17.00 | cureless | Peizhao: I don't really want to spend hours on this right now. |
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| 03:17.49 | cureless | Peizhao: do you have your config like the one they posted? For your kernel? |
| 03:17.51 | Peizhao | anyway to check that is runing LE?? I compile it directly on board |
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| 03:18.10 | Peizhao | i compile every directly from the board |
| 03:18.13 | cureless | Peizhao: they have "CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y", you need to have that. LE = little endian |
| 03:18.17 | stew | avont_: the output showed that you had mistypted the command i had told you to type, and that you had mistyped the command previous to the reboot, sorry, its too frustrating trying to help you becuase you can't follow directions |
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| 03:18.49 | avont_ | stew: just give me one more chance, please, i won't mess up and i will pay attention |
| 03:18.52 | cureless | Peizhao: if the default kernel is BE you need to switch to LE. If it is already LE, then you need to do more troubleshooting. |
| 03:18.55 | Peizhao | CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y |
| 03:19.07 | cureless | Peizhao: did you compile your kernel? |
| 03:19.31 | Peizhao | yes, I compiled it last night, directly on board |
| 03:19.44 | falkon | stew: found the error, wtf is depmod? |
| 03:19.45 | cureless | Peizhao: if so, then what you need to do is check the compiler used for the kernel and the module and make sure they are the same. |
| 03:19.50 | falkon | stew: depmod: command not found |
| 03:20.02 | Peizhao | one more question as you are routerboard user, do you have any problem with Compact flash card? |
| 03:20.15 | avont_ | steve: please, one more chance, i will pay attention and follow directions |
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| 03:20.36 | cureless | Peizhao: not really. |
| 03:20.52 | stew | falkon: do you have the module-init-tools package installed? |
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| 03:21.15 | Peizhao | the command I used are the same, for kernel: make dep vmlinux modules modules_install; for madwifi: make KENRELPATH=/usr/src/linux |
| 03:21.32 | stew | Peizhao: /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:21.53 | Peizhao | I found my compact flash is not so stable, never use over 45% |
| 03:21.59 | cureless | Check with the madwifi people/mailing list. Check to see if you need to have a specific compiler or options enable. |
| 03:22.07 | Zoredache | I am having an issue (not limited to debian) I am have problems with... I have a Dell PE 1425 with 4GB of RAM and 2 Xeon 3GZ processors.. I am using the debian 2.6 smp kernel and I can only see 3.5 GB of RAM... I see lots of things in google about needing to setup PAE, or something, but that appears to be enabled... Does anyone have any hints about what I need to do to get use of all of my RAM? |
| 03:22.10 | Peizhao | over 45%, then system mount it to read-only |
| 03:22.23 | abrotman | Zoredache: that's PAE |
| 03:22.26 | cureless | Peizhao: dunno. |
| 03:22.34 | falkon | stew: yep, problem was that i apparantly HAVE to be root to do the make-kpkg |
| 03:22.43 | abrotman | Zoredache: it is using PAE .. and that's the sacrifice for using PC hardware |
| 03:22.44 | falkon | after all that time compiling |
| 03:22.45 | falkon | bah |
| 03:22.49 | stew | falkon: no you shouldn't have to be root, fakeroot should be enough |
| 03:22.52 | avont_ | please help, |
| 03:23.05 | Peizhao | I subscribed to the list, nothing, onlything happening to mips is that, they change get_arch script for mips |
| 03:23.08 | avont_ | stew: can you just tell me what to do, and if i mess up then thats it, i really need this please |
| 03:23.11 | stew | falkon: you, in fact, shouldn't compile as root |
| 03:23.19 | abrotman | !pae |
| 03:23.19 | stew | avont_: stop harassing me |
| 03:23.21 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:23.30 | falkon | erg |
| 03:23.46 | avont_ | stew: so is that a yes or a no? |
| 03:24.21 | bwlang | avont_: dude... that's a no - are you autistic or something? ;) |
| 03:24.31 | Peizhao | so, have you tried the RB532 board before? |
| 03:24.38 | avont_ | ok, wow, you all hate me, im new to linux, alright then |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | avont_: how old are you? |
| 03:24.44 | avont_ | *idles* |
| 03:24.45 | falkon | stew: okay, recompiling and fakeroot set |
| 03:24.52 | falkon | stew: thanks for the help, I gotta run |
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| 03:25.04 | falkon | hopefully this will be done in a few hours |
| 03:25.05 | stew | falkon: are you sure that you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 03:25.07 | unix_infidel | haha, this is so cool. |
| 03:25.12 | Zoredache | so are you saying I only get 3.5GB of my memory, or can you tell me what setting I have to tweak in the kernel? It isn't obvious to me.. :| |
| 03:25.20 | stoned | this is fsckin ridiculous, I can ping my laptop, but I have no earthly idea where the fsck it is |
| 03:25.21 | unix_infidel | i've got a 7.1 surround sound setup plus my laptop acting as tweeters ;P |
| 03:25.23 | falkon | stew: yes |
| 03:25.25 | cureless | Peizhao: no we only use the RB200 |
| 03:25.35 | abrotman | Zoredache: AFAIK .. you get 3.5GB .. |
| 03:25.39 | cureless | Peizhao: or should I say 230. |
| 03:25.44 | falkon | stew: also installed the initrd tools... not sure if I'll need them |
| 03:25.55 | abrotman | Zoredache: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 03:26.04 | Peizhao | yes, but rb230 is a bit slow and more expensive |
| 03:26.13 | Zoredache | grumbles... :| ok.. not quite the answer I wanted, but ok :) |
| 03:26.13 | falkon | stew: thanks for your help, I'll be back around in a couple of hours |
| 03:26.32 | stew | falkon: you might put /sbin in your user's path just to be sure |
| 03:26.35 | cureless | Peizhao: we need the expandability. |
| 03:27.00 | abrotman | Zoredache: IIRC .. ti uses that 500MB for address extension info |
| 03:27.12 | Peizhao | yes, we need more than 2 mini pci for our project |
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| 03:27.45 | Zoredache | ok so the next question is the swap added to that, or is swap pointless with that ammount of ram |
| 03:27.51 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 03:27.57 | S4nD3r | I need to setup my mouse wheel |
| 03:28.02 | S4nD3r | is a ps2 |
| 03:28.18 | Peizhao | can you tell me what is your routerboard site account name? |
| 03:28.21 | cureless | Zoredache: if you need that much ram then move to a 64 bit architecture, that's what they're there for. |
| 03:28.22 | abrotman | Zoredache: http://www.spack.org/wiki/LinuxRamLimits |
| 03:28.53 | cureless | Peizhao: I don't deal with their site, other people in my team do. I don't know if we post there at all. |
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| 03:29.48 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 03:30.02 | yoo | Somebody use tape travan to do backup ? |
| 03:30.13 | Zoredache | yeah the customers idea is that they want this box to run vmware server beta and host 32 bit windows guests... |
| 03:30.17 | bwlang | yoo: yeah - in 1997 |
| 03:30.24 | Peizhao | ok, thanks anyway |
| 03:30.56 | Zoredache | anyway thanks 3.5GB will work... I was just trying to see all the memory if I could |
| 03:31.04 | cureless | I'm off, later all |
| 03:31.24 | yoo | bwlang, , you know this error message : |
| 03:31.25 | yoo | Can't read mode page. Are you sure you are root? |
| 03:31.26 | abrotman | Zoredache: you mean from /proc/meminfo ? |
| 03:31.39 | Zoredache | yes /proc/meminfo |
| 03:31.55 | abrotman | Zoredache: what does dmesg say ? |
| 03:32.00 | yoo | this message appears when i do mt -t /dev/st0 datcompression |
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| 03:32.42 | Peizhao | still there? |
| 03:32.50 | Zoredache | # dmesg | grep Mem |
| 03:32.50 | Zoredache | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.50 | Zoredache | Memory: 3626624k/4194304k available (1663k kernel code, 42004k reserved, 772k data, 168k init, 2752256k highmem) |
| 03:32.51 | bwlang | yoo: actually that does sound vaguely familiar... but i have only a very fuzzy memory of that - sorry |
| 03:33.06 | yoo | okay |
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| 03:33.13 | Zoredache | humm that does seem to me an that it does see everything doesn't it.... |
| 03:33.18 | yoo | you know somebody who can help me ? |
| 03:33.20 | Peizhao | I found if I use insmod to load the modules instead of modprobe, it will have problmes |
| 03:33.27 | stew | !insmod |
| 03:33.27 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 03:33.44 | Peizhao | any diffrence between modprobe and insmod? |
| 03:34.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:34.17 | momo_ | hi, somebody know an debian floppy disk that install an terminal os for an server? |
| 03:35.04 | momo_ | nobody? |
| 03:35.07 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 03:35.07 | dpkg | hmm... sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 03:35.09 | abrotman | i think? |
| 03:35.14 | abrotman | i have no idea what he's asking for |
| 03:35.22 | stew | momo_: what is your native language? |
| 03:35.28 | abrotman | canadian eh? |
| 03:35.35 | momo_ | yeah canada |
| 03:35.53 | abrotman | canadian is not a language |
| 03:35.55 | stew | !fr |
| 03:35.55 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 03:35.59 | momo_ | stew> my native language is french and english |
| 03:36.16 | stew | momo_: what is "an terminal os" |
| 03:36.30 | likeafox | I think he wants one without X |
| 03:36.36 | Peizhao | hi, do you know any difference between insmod and modprobe? |
| 03:36.47 | ne0futur | i'm french but stopped trying to ask help on #debianfr and #debian-fr |
| 03:37.04 | stew | Peizhao: insmod is a command that you shouldn't ever use, and modprobe is a command you should feel free to use |
| 03:37.04 | ne0futur | more insults than help there |
| 03:37.09 | momo_ | connect #debian-fr |
| 03:37.15 | bwlang | i just installed a new etch amd64 system... it boots okay but basic stuff like apt-get install foo segfaults... what might be wrong? |
| 03:37.17 | momo_ | soory error :) |
| 03:37.24 | ne0futur | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.27 | stew | momo_: do you mean, you don't want a gui? just text? |
| 03:37.38 | momo_ | yeah i know just an error :) |
| 03:37.45 | ne0futur | ;) |
| 03:37.52 | momo_ | stew>yeah |
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| 03:37.57 | stew | momo_: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 03:38.03 | ne0futur | good luck with french chan I stopped trying |
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| 03:38.12 | stew | momo_: if you really mean floppy and not cdrom |
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| 03:38.43 | Zoredache | okdokey well thanks... that will have to do. :) |
| 03:38.48 | momo_ | stew>no is good because i want floppy thankx! |
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| 03:40.16 | momo_ | and another thing in Debian flopy net installer do we connect to internet(ethernet card adsl modem) whit pppoeconf?? |
| 03:40.40 | abrotman | you have no CD drive? |
| 03:41.13 | momo_ | yeah i have one but not in the server that i want to put the debian |
| 03:41.25 | abrotman | that's a weird server |
| 03:41.33 | S4nD3r | its horrible to setup wheel mouse using xorg.conf... |
| 03:41.38 | S4nD3r | Im really lost! |
| 03:41.55 | abrotman | !wheelmouse |
| 03:41.58 | abrotman | !wheel mouse |
| 03:41.58 | dpkg | methinks mouse wheel is at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or http://www.horns.freeserve.co.uk/wheel_a.jpg |
| 03:42.07 | kjm | you're not lost, you just don't know where you are. |
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| 03:42.13 | konfuzed | ah crap my firefox browser just disappeared with the long email i was writing aarrgggg!!!!! |
| 03:42.14 | momo_ | so somebody know? for the net connection? |
| 03:42.32 | roler | is a Core Duo Intel Processor on a laptop considered a Pentium 4 or a Pentium Mobile or what? |
| 03:42.47 | kjm | roler : it is a Dual Core Intel |
| 03:43.07 | kjm | P4 i think |
| 03:43.18 | roler | heh |
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| 03:43.28 | roler | ok because I was going to say there is no Core Duo option |
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| 03:43.59 | kjm | don't have the power management as the pent. -m's. But, they are not the same architecture as the P4. |
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| 03:44.06 | kjm | Core DUo option in what? |
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| 03:44.23 | abrotman | kernel config you'd assume? |
| 03:44.41 | kjm | king of the obvious : but worth an ask... |
| 03:45.05 | bwlang | what does "text file busy" mean... i thought you could always replace a file in linux... |
| 03:45.12 | roler | kjm; the kernel processor type |
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| 03:45.54 | kjm | I don't think that the newer Intel architectures have any optimizations in the kernel as of yet......I would assume that compiling for a generic x86 would work. |
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| 03:48.07 | roler | thanks :) |
| 03:48.22 | ecliptik | What would cause fsck to keep saying the FS is corrupt on boot, even though I've run fsck -f on all filesystems it it's clean? |
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| 03:49.19 | ecliptik | It gives the message "can't find /dev/hdc1" and then asks for the root password or ctrl-d to continue, and when I do /dev/hdc1 mounts just fine. |
| 03:50.01 | bwlang | ecliptik: sounds like maybe you're not loading the module that will recognize your drive controller. |
| 03:50.04 | S4nD3r | How do I know I my system is using xf86config or xorg ?? |
| 03:50.26 | ecliptik | bwlang, what if it's compiled into the kernel? |
| 03:50.41 | uau | "import bsddb" seems to fail under latest python2.4 |
| 03:50.48 | uau | can anyone confirm that? |
| 03:51.12 | bwlang | ecliptik: scroll back through dmesg to see if your hdc is found. |
| 03:51.40 | ThetaWave_ | Can anyone tell me if kernel 2.6.8-3-686 is still sarge? |
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| 03:51.55 | ecliptik | bwlang, it says it's found and it mounts okay, I can read the FS and use it normally |
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| 03:52.41 | stew | uau: i only see bsddb pacakges for python 2.2 and 2.3 for debian |
| 03:52.45 | roler | when using grub how do I install a new kernel into it? |
| 03:52.51 | roler | i have the image already |
| 03:52.55 | stew | roler: /sbin/update-grub |
| 03:53.01 | roler | ahhh! |
| 03:53.04 | uau | stew: i'm talking about the package "python2.4" |
| 03:53.07 | roler | thanks! |
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| 03:53.34 | bwlang | ecliptik: i don't understand... during boot you get a message saying that you /dev/hdc1 doesn't exist right? so how does it get mounted? did you do it manually from the initrd shell? |
| 03:53.47 | stew | uau: i'm talking about the packages python2.2-bsddb3 and python2.3-bsddb3 to which there is no python2.4 equivalant |
| 03:54.44 | uau | stew: those give the "bsddb3" module; current python should have "bsddb" built in |
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| 03:54.55 | Cyorxamp | Lo, what can use windows Drivers... but is not Windows ? |
| 03:55.03 | ThetaWave_ | I'm confused about why aptitude wants to automatically uninstall the 2.6.8 kernel when I just wanted to install "htop". Can anyone explain? |
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| 03:55.42 | uau | and "import bsddb" actually does find a module with that name even with the current python2.4; however importint it fails |
| 03:55.45 | stew | uau: ok. didn't realize that. "import bsddb" in python2.4 works for me in sid, check the bts |
| 03:55.58 | uau | stew: do you have the latest version? |
| 03:56.07 | chance2105 | On a debian system, how can you verify which version of libc6 you're running? |
| 03:56.13 | stew | uau: yes |
| 03:56.36 | uau | stew: 2.4.2+2.4.3c1-1 ? |
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| 03:56.38 | ecliptik | bwlang, I don't understand either. I wish I could paste the message but it doesn't show up in any logs, just when it boots |
| 03:56.41 | eggzeck | chance2105, use aptitude |
| 03:57.07 | chance2105 | eggzeck: I know which versions are installed .. I'm attempting to verify an optimised version of libc6 is activated. |
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| 03:57.31 | uau | a new python2.4 was uploaded so your version will be outdated unless you've updated during the last half a day (or maybe shorter) |
| 03:57.45 | ecliptik | bwlang, I looked at /etc/fstab, and I have "defaults 0 2" set for the partition. |
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| 03:57.53 | likeafox | How do I make smtp listen for connections on all devices? port 25 is open on localhost, but I scanned from LAN and it's closed. |
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| 03:58.07 | ecliptik | bwlang, I'm going to rebuild the kernel with FS as modules instead of built-in and see what happens |
| 03:58.37 | abrotman | likeafox: depends on the smtp server |
| 03:58.46 | stew | uau: oh i hadn't updated since the last dinstall, yes, it doesn't import, /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 03:58.57 | stew | uau: check the bts first of course |
| 03:59.41 | uau | i don't see anything about it in bts |
| 03:59.48 | uau | it breaks at least straw too |
| 03:59.55 | stew | uau: please report it then |
| 04:00.03 | likeafox | sendmail |
| 04:00.33 | abrotman | likeafox: you can try dpkg-reconfigure sendmail .. but i haven't used sendmail since i worked on solaris |
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| 04:01.33 | roler | I have a new laptop... I installed debian on it. It setup the system as /dev/hdaX... I just recompiled a kernel enabling SATA which changed the hard drive device to /dev/sdaX... I edited fstab to reflect this, but it still says kernel panic on boot. I see sda is being initalized properly... what else do I do to make the system boot? rdev the kernel image? |
| 04:02.05 | likeafox | Okay. Also, if I used a different server would that mean it couldn't listen on 127.0.0.1 since localhost is used by sendmail for the system? |
| 04:02.05 | Stevie-O | roler: yo |
| 04:02.06 | abrotman | likeafox: probably |
| 04:02.11 | abrotman | likeafox: you could also try asking #sendmail |
| 04:02.19 | likeafox | Thanks. |
| 04:02.21 | Stevie-O | roler: does your initrd load the right kernel module? |
| 04:02.46 | roler | Stevie-O ; yes... i just did rdev |
| 04:02.56 | roler | it was set to /dev/hda1, i set it to /dev/sda1 |
| 04:03.00 | uau | bah reportbug still wants to use email |
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| 04:03.20 | roler | brb |
| 04:03.31 | stew | uau: yes, that is not likely to change |
| 04:04.25 | uau | i don't have email to remote domains configured from the system and don't want to configure it (i use a separate client for mail) |
| 04:05.16 | baegle | It looks my source for non-us.debian.org is fubared. I get the following error: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F How can I fix this? |
| 04:05.31 | abrotman | because there is no non-us anymnore |
| 04:05.34 | stew | baegle: there is no more non-us, /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 04:07.43 | kjm | howto set hostname at boot time? |
| 04:08.15 | baegle | How do I get a list of currently supported sources? |
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| 04:12.10 | Cyorxamp | Hi, could I lend someone experienced with cups (the printing service) to help me work out why my printer will not work? If so just PM me... than |
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| 04:14.12 | digits | which package should i install to get a cvs client (console)? i don't need a server |
| 04:14.20 | cheal | baegle: what do you mean? isn't it infinite? |
| 04:14.24 | roler | ok I can get my system to boot but I must manually change the root=/whatever in the grub loader... how do i make this change permanent? |
| 04:14.27 | cheal | digits: cvs |
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| 04:15.16 | danieldg | roler: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:15.30 | roler | danieldg ; but when I edit that and run update-grub it overwrites what I did |
| 04:15.48 | danieldg | oh, then you need to edit the file that update-grub uses |
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| 04:16.34 | baegle | cheal: I meant ones supported by debian officially |
| 04:16.42 | digits | cheal: that wants to install a cvs server, can't i juse install the client part? |
| 04:16.44 | baegle | I'm getting all these weird errors on apt-get update: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 04:16.49 | cheal | digits: no |
| 04:16.49 | danieldg | roler: something with kopt=, see man update-grub |
| 04:16.55 | digits | cheal: ok, thanks a bunch |
| 04:17.01 | cheal | baegle: yes, we've seen |
| 04:17.21 | baegle | THis is with a different source now |
| 04:18.14 | cheal | baegle: sorry but what's different |
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| 04:18.49 | baegle | Oh, my mistake, I thought it was originally the non-us site that broke |
| 04:18.55 | baegle | So, how do I fix this problem? |
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| 04:19.19 | roler | danieldg; hmm |
| 04:19.36 | cheal | when did you last apt-get update? |
| 04:19.42 | cheal | successfully |
| 04:19.44 | baegle | a WHILE ago |
| 04:19.53 | baegle | 6 months maybe? |
| 04:20.04 | cheal | baegle: check /topic |
| 04:20.21 | roler | what was the thing to message dpkg for the public key? |
| 04:20.31 | cheal | !2006 key |
| 04:20.31 | dpkg | methinks 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 04:23.04 | roler | thanks :) |
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| 04:23.37 | unix_infidel | does kde themes like gtk2-engines? |
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| 04:24.37 | ThetaWave_ | I'm confused about why aptitude wants to automatically uninstall the 2.6.8 kernel when I just wanted to install "htop". Can anyone explain? |
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| 04:27.07 | baegle | Hmmm, I'm getting another error with apt-cache commands now: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, E: Error occurred while processing xmaddressbook (NewVersion1), E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 04:27.19 | cheal | !tell baegle about mmap |
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| 04:28.28 | S4nD3r | Hi there. I using internet through my modem (softmodem), but I just get to use kppp as root. |
| 04:28.31 | S4nD3r | How solve it ? |
| 04:28.44 | cheal | ThetaWave_: what are the exact packages involved? |
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| 04:29.02 | unix_infidel | is there an industrial theme for kde that's apt-get-able |
| 04:29.43 | uau | ThetaWave_: is it updating other programs? maybe htop requires a libc update, which in turn pulls in other packages? are you installing it from unstable? (i suppose most of your system is behind unstable if you still use such an old kernel) |
| 04:30.51 | menko | S4nD3r: You need to give your user permission to connect with a modem |
| 04:31.15 | S4nD3r | I did 4755 to kppp, is correct ? |
| 04:31.23 | S4nD3r | I think it willl solve |
| 04:31.26 | menko | S4nD3r: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 04:32.10 | S4nD3r | I used chmod 4755 kppp |
| 04:32.16 | menko | S4nD3r: nop |
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| 04:32.32 | S4nD3r | ?? |
| 04:32.38 | menko | S4nD3r: you need to add your user to the dialout group(I think, I don't use ppp) |
| 04:32.51 | Compaq_Owner | what's the dpkg command to find the locaytions of the files? |
| 04:32.59 | baegle | cheal: Thanks for that help. Last one for now: How do I fix problems where bzip2 errors because the "Compressed file ends unexpectedly; perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows. Inappropriate ioctl for device Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout) |
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| 04:33.37 | menko | baegle: I've had that before, but there was nothing wrong with the contents when they were extracted |
| 04:34.01 | cheal | baegle: looking at the BTS would probably help |
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| 04:34.23 | Nameeater | dpkg -L packagename |
| 04:34.24 | dpkg | ii packagename 1.2-2 nameeater's private stamp collection |
| 04:34.49 | Nameeater | funny bot :p |
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| 04:35.29 | ThetaWave_ | cheal and uau: sorry, went afk for a min... |
| 04:36.08 | BlackJudas | I'm rebuilding a sata array, and it seems that the recovery is super slow. Is there a mode I can try with hdparm to help the system recover the raid array faster? |
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| 04:36.19 | Compaq_Owner | Nameeater: ty |
| 04:36.40 | ThetaWave_ | cheal: I'm not sure which pkgs you mean. I went to install htop, and it gave me a list of things it decided to do, including auto removal of the kernel I upgraded this weekend. |
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| 04:37.40 | ThetaWave_ | uau: I didn't think I was using unstable. I think I'm still working with sarge. |
| 04:38.31 | cheal | ThetaWave_: knowing about the other things would certainly help to guess what's wrong. uau is basically right...installing htop shouldn't require any change other than to htop |
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| 04:39.20 | leumas | l |
| 04:39.32 | ThetaWave_ | cheal: were you asking for the complete list of all actions aptitude was going to take, or all the dependencies? |
| 04:40.19 | unix_infidel | are there ANY themes for kde which are apt-get able. |
| 04:41.04 | cheal | ThetaWave_: I can see the dependencies. the actions it was going totake would help. you say that as if it's long. maybe pasting apt-get's solution would tell as much. |
| 04:41.08 | menko | unix_infidel: try searching apt-get.org for some official repos |
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| 04:41.15 | menko | *unofficial |
| 04:41.42 | menko | unix_infidel: I've only seen a couple of apt-gettable kde styles in the official ones |
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| 04:41.48 | cheal | unix_infidel: ask #debian-kde |
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| 04:42.37 | ThetaWave_ | cheal: I had to screw with keeping and holding the packages until I got it to leave my kernel alone. What it was going to do is long gone now. :-( |
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| 04:43.35 | ThetaWave_ | cheal: it just freaked me out that it thought the kernel was an automatic installation that nothing depends on and it thought it should be removed |
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| 04:44.58 | cheal | ThetaWave_: I don't use/know aptitude, but I doubt it would simply remove a kernel |
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| 04:47.44 | ThetaWave_ | apparently aptitude tracks what I request vs. what gets installed to resolve a dependency. When the reference count for a dependency resolution goes to zero, it removes it |
| 04:48.56 | ifup | can someone tell me how I can tell apt to forget trying to install a package that failed to install? |
| 04:49.23 | cheal | ifup: apt-get remove? |
| 04:49.51 | menko | ifup: try apt-get clean, if that doesn't work try man apt-get |
| 04:50.28 | ifup | Thanks! I will give it a try |
| 04:50.58 | cheal | menko: FYI, apt-get isn't related to that |
| 04:51.05 | cheal | uh, apt-get clean |
| 04:51.29 | menko | cheal: ok.. |
| 04:51.41 | menko | dpkg then? |
| 04:51.41 | dpkg | Why not apt now!? |
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| 04:52.38 | cheal | I'm not sure. I'd try apt-get remove, as I said |
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| 05:04.07 | mrjoel | I have a question on keyboard mappings/multimedia keyboards, anyone here game? |
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| 05:09.50 | uau | reinstalling an older version of python2.4 seemed to work ok, i guess i'll just wait until someone else makes a bug report about the current version (i suppose i could work around the email interface and send mail manually myself but don't want to bother) |
| 05:10.02 | uau | the bsddb module is important enough that it'll probably be reported before too long |
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| 05:11.23 | Minerale | Greetings, I have downloaded updated binaries on my schools ~/bin folder (just coreutils)... is there any way I can run the local binaries somehow w/out me having to alias each one? |
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| 05:12.35 | menko | You mean they're ones with the same names as already in the path? |
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| 05:12.54 | menko | otherwise just add ~/bin to the path |
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| 05:13.13 | menko | not sure which one in the path takes precedence if there are duplicates though |
| 05:13.35 | uau | just put the directory first in path if you want them to take precedence over existing ones |
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| 05:16.27 | mrjoel | Linux localhost 2.6.16-1-k7 #1 Tue Mar 28 16:04:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:16.38 | ALargeParrot | I'm looking to buy ( tomorrow ) a new debian box: Dell 2850 with a raid 5 perc4e/Di controller. Does anyone here have anything good or bad to say about the raid drivers? |
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| 05:17.06 | rabies | i need help |
| 05:17.19 | rabies | my cow is on fire and i dont know how to put it out |
| 05:17.20 | ubuh-huntuh | is there a software that can crawl the whole website and download all files and folders to a local directory? |
| 05:17.21 | mrjoel | I run a few 2850s, and they work great - if you're planning on using sarge you'll need to do some trickery to get them installed, but etch and later are fabulous |
| 05:17.22 | rabies | =\ |
| 05:17.31 | rabies | ubuh-huntuh: wget |
| 05:17.43 | Minerale | thanks uau, that did it |
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| 05:19.07 | ALargeParrot | mrjoel: etch and later would be fine. I had planned this box for cPanel? any ideas there? |
| 05:19.37 | mrjoel | nope, not familiar with workings on cPanel, is it well supported on amd64? |
| 05:19.57 | uau | i've mostly heard bad things about hardware raid controllers though i have no personal experience with them |
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| 05:20.39 | ALargeParrot | bad things with hardware raid controllers seemed to be the rumor... |
| 05:20.43 | mrjoel | on-motherboard HW Raid is often crap, but with "real" servers/raid controllers they are actually beneficial as they do all RAID in hardware instead of a software component |
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| 05:20.51 | uau | but several people i know who do have experience with raid have said that software raid is usually a better solution on linux |
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| 05:21.21 | grapefruit | hey im getting this error during boot..something about var/init.d and not being able to create a directory...? |
| 05:21.24 | mrjoel | software raid is better, assuming you're using nvidia or via or salink or such "raid" controllers |
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| 05:21.52 | uau | with hardware raid performing systematically worse, and mainly being useful for things like having an OS-independent RAID for boxes that may have several operating systems |
| 05:21.54 | SonnyBurnett | Hi folks.... I'm going to install thunderbird 1.5 and enigmail from Debian backports... I was wondering: is a good idea to use the backports? are they trustful? |
| 05:22.13 | ALargeParrot | So you run a few 2850's with the embeded raid chip and it works fine, if so mrjoel that is fine for me. |
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| 05:23.02 | ALargeParrot | did you use the drivers from dell? |
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| 05:24.18 | mrjoel | if you're running etch, use the etch installer beta2 and the drivers will be just fine - megaraid from mainstream kernel |
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| 05:24.47 | mrjoel | I'm *not* yet sure if the debian shipped kernels enable the dell biosupdate and openmanage modules, I'm still waiting to check those out |
| 05:25.06 | SonnyBurnett | !backports |
| 05:25.07 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 05:26.42 | grapefruit | is there a way to pause the boot process to examine an error? |
| 05:26.48 | ALargeParrot | appreciate it bobbwef |
| 05:26.54 | ALargeParrot | appreciate it mrjoel |
| 05:27.04 | valdyn | grapefruit: the scroll lock key |
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| 05:27.17 | grapefruit | valdyn: thank you I will try that |
| 05:27.40 | ALargeParrot | Does anyone here have any experience installing cPanel on debian? |
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| 05:33.54 | grapefruit | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.47 | uau | grapefruit: if you mean keeping the data in place during the conversion, highly unlikely |
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| 05:35.19 | mrjoel | grapefruit: no, direct conversion between reiserfs and ext3 is not possible |
| 05:35.31 | grapefruit | i'm getting this error during boot, and i think reiser might be at fault: Could not create needed directory '/var/lib/init.d/softscripts'! |
| 05:35.57 | valdyn | grapefruit: why should this have anything at all to do with reiserfs? |
| 05:36.08 | grapefruit | well i get about 5 errors like that |
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| 05:36.17 | grapefruit | and then it says something about a Read-Only Filesystem |
| 05:36.24 | grapefruit | after each one |
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| 05:36.33 | valdyn | grapefruit: so? |
| 05:36.48 | valdyn | grapefruit: is it readonly? why did you ( or whatever ) make it readonly? |
| 05:37.03 | grapefruit | valdyn: i dont think it is |
| 05:37.10 | grapefruit | let me see my fstab |
| 05:37.25 | valdyn | grapefruit: type 'mount' |
| 05:37.38 | powder | anyone here have ati drivers installed? i just installed them but i can't get 1280x960 to work. :/ |
| 05:38.02 | grapefruit | valdyn: /dev/hda3 on / type reiserfs (rw,noatime) |
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| 05:38.43 | signature16 | when i try to su to my user account it says, "bash: /home/brenden/.bashrc: permision denied" how do i fix that? |
| 05:39.05 | valdyn | grapefruit: / is mounted readonly at first, which software is trying to write there? |
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| 05:39.31 | valdyn | grapefruit: i dont think /var/lib/init.d even exists on debian |
| 05:39.37 | grapefruit | valdyn: well, it's something in /var/libs/init.d |
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| 05:39.41 | valdyn | !find /var/lib/init.d |
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| 05:40.11 | grapefruit | it's some script that runs at boot |
| 05:40.24 | valdyn | grapefruit: well obviously, but not a debian script? |
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| 05:41.17 | grapefruit | valdyn: well im on gentoo (please dont hate me) |
| 05:41.33 | valdyn | grapefruit: you should ask #gentoo for help |
| 05:41.45 | valdyn | grapefruit: we're not familiar with the gentoo boot process obviously |
| 05:41.58 | grapefruit | valdyn: i tried, but everyone's just talking and no one sees what i say =( |
| 05:42.20 | valdyn | grapefruit: ls -ld /var/lib/init.d |
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| 05:42.47 | grapefruit | valdyn: i tried removing one of the scripts, im rebooting now |
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| 05:43.03 | cheal | perhaps they'll listen if you tell them you use ricerfs ^_^ |
| 05:43.18 | grapefruit | ricer? |
| 05:43.22 | valdyn | reiserfs really has nothing to do with this error |
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| 05:43.45 | valdyn | i would tell them that i use -funroll-loops too ; ) |
| 05:43.48 | grapefruit | valdyn: ok i hate the error in front of me |
| 05:43.54 | unix_infidel | yo, any history buffs in here, looking for the french king to pooped in front of the masses as part of a "social event" during that time period. |
| 05:44.04 | unix_infidel | i wanna say it was the Sun king....but i cant remember. |
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| 05:44.09 | valdyn | grapefruit: ls -ld /var/lib/init.d |
| 05:44.44 | grapefruit | valdyn: here's some more of the error.. |
| 05:44.50 | cheal | valdyn: well, if it doesn't work, at least it doesn't work optimally |
| 05:45.11 | grapefruit | valdyn: rm: cannot remove '/var/lib/init.d/depcahce' Read-only file system |
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| 05:45.44 | grapefruit | valdyn: Failed to cache service dependencies |
| 05:46.37 | valdyn | grapefruit: seriously try #gentoo, we dont know about the gentoo boot process.. |
| 05:46.38 | grapefruit | valdyn: ls -ld /var/lib/init.d: it just lists /var/lib/init.d |
| 05:46.47 | grapefruit | valdyn: alright =P |
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| 05:48.01 | erratic | hey guys I was wondering if any of yall knew what do with a kernel patch package installed using aptitude |
| 05:48.16 | erratic | it didn't say how I need to run patch or anything |
| 05:48.47 | erratic | specifically a uml patch.. it didn't install any specific kernel source either; does this mean it'll work with any kernel source or what |
| 05:48.49 | valdyn | erratic: man make-kpkg |
| 05:48.58 | erratic | cool thanks |
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| 05:50.09 | erratic | ug maybe I oughta start from scratch :S |
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| 05:53.09 | rifkers | DCC SEND 12345678901234 |
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| 05:53.37 | Tallu | Well. That was lame of rifkers. |
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| 05:55.46 | Alam_Debian | How do I reset a frozon tty? term for Alt+Crtl+F2 stop responpening |
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| 05:56.29 | mrjoel | kill the process running on it from another console/terminal usually takes care of it |
| 05:56.47 | Alam_Debian | vim had been killed.... |
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| 05:57.15 | mrjoel | kill the initial login process, should get init to respawn your getty |
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| 05:57.35 | Skiver | hi, any idea how to display multibytes characters in console ? |
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| 05:58.11 | dos000_ | hi .. anyone know a vim (or vim like) editor that has 1) ui tabs for buffers 2) auto opens a list of buffers passed as a parameter |
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| 05:58.35 | mrjoel | skiver: what is your current locale? (echo $LANG) |
| 05:58.51 | Brokentire | I installed a Cups driver for my printer...I can print the test page..and print in OpenOffice...but I can't print with my web browsers...can anyone help me? |
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| 05:59.15 | Skiver | mrjoel : en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 05:59.30 | Alam_Debian | o_O, there no getty for /dev/tty2....... |
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| 05:59.41 | mrjoel | skiver: what is displayed with viewing a UTF8 doc? |
| 05:59.46 | lws_ | is there something equivalent to authconfig for debian which will administer pam? |
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| 06:00.57 | Brokentire | can anyone help me? |
| 06:01.33 | lws_ | Sure! |
| 06:01.33 | jmg | guys im using etch is cpio hosed? |
| 06:01.33 | Zibao_ocupado | tem alguem q fala portugues aki??? |
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| 06:01.36 | lws_ | Zibao: ?Habla espa?ol? |
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| 06:02.16 | stew | jmg: /msg dpkg bts |
| 06:02.21 | lws_ | Can anybody here me? |
| 06:02.23 | lws_ | hear* |
| 06:02.27 | Skiver | mrjoel : english is fine, jap and chinese are displayed with boxes |
| 06:02.29 | unperson | I want to setup an FTP server to let a few friends (on Windows systems) get a file now and again. My thought was to install an ftp server (probably vsftp) on a non-standard port and setup a fake user just for this purpose, say "robertpaulsin". In the /etc/passwd file I'd set robertpaulsin's shell to /dev/null. Is this a resonable thing to do, or is there a bit security issue with this? |
| 06:02.38 | stew | !hi lws_ |
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| 06:03.09 | lws_ | His name was Robert Paulsin. |
| 06:03.12 | mrjoel | skiver: sounds like a font issue, I'm more familiar with greek and hebrew than asian, look at required console fonts |
| 06:03.33 | Azar | lws_: maybe this will help: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s9.2 |
| 06:04.06 | unperson | lws_: A member of project mayhem has no name. ;-) |
| 06:04.14 | Brokentire | I am having printing probelms with firefox and mozilla but printing fine in OpenOffice |
| 06:04.27 | Zibao_ocupado | eu leio lws_ pra escrever eh um pouco complicado euheuheueh |
| 06:04.29 | Brokentire | what might be the problem |
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| 06:04.38 | dominicanos | hello all |
| 06:04.45 | SonnyBurnett | how can I set up using update-altenatives firefox as default www-broser? |
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| 06:05.51 | jm_ | Brokentire: verify print setup in your browsers |
| 06:05.52 | Skiver | mrjoel : do you know how can I check what fonts are selected to use in X ? I'm running xfs |
| 06:06.00 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: man update-alternatives |
| 06:06.01 | Azar | Zibao_ocupado: use /j #debian-br |
| 06:06.05 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.18 | mrjoel | sonny: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 06:06.19 | lws_ | unperson: IN death, a member of project mayhem has a name. His name was robert Paulsin. |
| 06:06.23 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.28 | SonnyBurnett | jm_, I read it.... but dont understand completely |
| 06:06.33 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: --config |
| 06:06.40 | lws_ | Zibao_ocupado: No Hablo port?ges |
| 06:07.05 | lws_ | oops silly accents |
| 06:07.05 | sepen | yo no hablo castellano |
| 06:07.13 | sepen | go -> #debian-es |
| 06:07.20 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.21 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.42 | Zibao_ocupado | mas tu n entendes pelo menos lws_??? |
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| 06:07.44 | sepen | !google sync |
| 06:07.49 | dpkg | Google says sync is at http://www.syncmag.com/ or http://www.nsync.com/ or http://allwaysync.com/ or http://www.apple.com/isync/ or http://www.worldtimeserver.com/atomic-clock/ |
| 06:07.57 | lws_ | sepen: Zabao needs help in Portuguese. I was wondering if he spoke spanish at all |
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| 06:08.10 | sepen | xDD |
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| 06:08.30 | unix_infidel | hey guys i'm trying to use zsnes and i'm trying to figure out why it cant use any of the larger resolution settings |
| 06:08.36 | unix_infidel | Could not set 512x448-GL video mode. |
| 06:08.40 | Azar | Zibao_ocupado: go to #debian-br alla obteneras ajuda , not aqui |
| 06:08.43 | unix_infidel | that's one of the errors i get. |
| 06:08.44 | lws_ | Azar: I know how to use pam. I'm just wondering why it's not setup to use pam_stack by default since it works so much better if you ever add ldap and whatnot. |
| 06:09.03 | Brokentire | what should "printer Properties" be set too...my printer is listed |
| 06:09.09 | Azar | lws_: I only rely on these manuals, I do not know nothing by myslef |
| 06:09.27 | jm_ | it should say CUPS/foo for printer foo configured in CUPS |
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| 06:09.39 | Zibao_ocupado | [Azar]: tas quase speaking portugues euehuehueh lol |
| 06:09.40 | Zibao_ocupado | euheuhe |
| 06:09.51 | Zibao_ocupado | blz |
| 06:09.53 | unix_infidel | anyone? |
| 06:10.00 | Azar | Zibao_ocupado: nobody here speaks portugese or spanish: english only |
| 06:10.22 | Brokentire | is CUPS/foo the print command? |
| 06:10.23 | mrjoel | infidel: likely not defined in {xorg.conf,xfree86-4.conf} |
| 06:10.27 | Zibao_ocupado | euheuhe |
| 06:10.32 | Zibao_ocupado | blz Azar |
| 06:10.54 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.00 | dominicanos | Zibao_ocupado, hi |
| 06:11.05 | Brokentire | can you find documention for me...then I will read it |
| 06:11.07 | close_to_debian | can i recover it |
| 06:11.09 | dominicanos | Zibao_ocupado, where are you from |
| 06:11.11 | Azar | Zibao_ocupado: I do not speak portugese, I use a web translator |
| 06:11.25 | jm_ | no, if it's asking for print command, then simply enter lp |
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| 06:11.44 | thefish_ | no come on |
| 06:12.32 | Brokentire | I think I found some dox |
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| 06:12.42 | Zibao_ocupado | dominicanos recife brasil |
| 06:16.01 | blondie | !br |
| 06:16.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 06:17.28 | aeromax85 | i cant get usb ehci drivers to work on my machine |
| 06:17.33 | aeromax85 | just the usb1 drivers |
| 06:17.36 | aeromax85 | i get errors like ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: port 4 reset error -110 |
| 06:17.38 | SonnyBurnett | a good torrent downloader? |
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| 06:17.55 | sephora | hei |
| 06:19.58 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: ever heard of apt-cache search? |
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| 06:21.24 | protoloco | how to change the name of my gentoo machine, cuz im using samba! |
| 06:21.42 | SonnyBurnett | jm_, I installed bittorrent and the gui but... how can I use it? |
| 06:22.21 | Compaq_Owner | lol |
| 06:22.27 | jm_ | SonnyBurnett: list the contents of the package to find out which binaries it comes with |
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| 06:23.38 | magyar | does anyone know which command replaced "mmencode"? |
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| 06:24.25 | Danieal | hello |
| 06:24.33 | joeyjones | does anyone know the apt-get name for java? |
| 06:24.44 | Danieal | how do you restrict host header URL for virtual host in apache2? |
| 06:24.50 | cheal | joeyjones: /topic |
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| 06:25.31 | stew | joeyjones: apt-cache showpkg java-runtime |
| 06:25.32 | cat | !tell joeyjones about java |
| 06:25.45 | stew | joeyjones: it will list the java implementations in debian |
| 06:25.46 | Azar | protoloco: ask in #gentoo |
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| 06:27.34 | joeyjones | is one better than one another or are they the same? |
| 06:27.58 | stew | joeyjones: what are you trying to run? |
| 06:27.59 | protoloco | Azar, hehe sorry debian |
| 06:28.03 | protoloco | i use both distros |
| 06:28.18 | joeyjones | azerous that needs the java runtime |
| 06:29.00 | unstable | !transmission |
| 06:29.00 | dpkg | [transmission] a free, lightweight BitTorrent client. It features a simple, intuitive interface on top on an efficient, cross-platform back-end. Transmission is open source (MIT license) and runs on Mac OS X (Cocoa interface), Linux/NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD (GTK+ interface) and BeOS/ZETA (native interface). http://transmission.m0k.org/ |
| 06:30.05 | unix_infidel | wow, after using a thinkpad, using a linux desktop just seems, fruitless. |
| 06:30.20 | aeromax85 | y fruitless? |
| 06:30.27 | unstable | magyar: apt-get install xemacs21-bin |
| 06:30.57 | unix_infidel | aeromax85: lol, just the interface is more productive. |
| 06:31.05 | stew | joeyjones: although azureus can now be run with free java implementations, no such version has been uplaoded to debian yet, if you are planning to use the debian package, then you have to install a non-free java, /msg dpkg java-package ; if you are going to build azureus yourself you should be able to build it with gcj |
| 06:31.11 | unix_infidel | keyboard, resolution, its actually faster than this sempron 3100+ box. |
| 06:31.17 | aeromax85 | y on a thinkpad |
| 06:31.19 | aeromax85 | wat does it matter |
| 06:31.27 | unix_infidel | thinkpads help you spell. |
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| 06:31.43 | unix_infidel | or atleast speak competently. |
| 06:31.43 | unstable | thinkpads are the best laptops for linux |
| 06:31.47 | joeyjones | i'll have to try to install it w/o apt0get |
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| 06:31.50 | stew | s/for linux// |
| 06:31.51 | joeyjones | *apt-get |
| 06:31.59 | stew | joeyjones: why? |
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| 06:32.20 | stew | joeyjones: err install what? |
| 06:32.28 | joeyjones | java |
| 06:32.40 | stew | joeyjones: install it with java-package |
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| 06:32.49 | unstable | Why doesn't marillat package java. |
| 06:32.59 | unstable | They host other illegal stuff, why not just illegally redistribute java too. |
| 06:33.00 | valdyn | unstable: why should they? |
| 06:33.11 | valdyn | unstable: no you are wrong |
| 06:33.13 | joeyjones | this is my first day with linux, so you're confusing me |
| 06:33.14 | stew | it is on debian-unofficial.org |
| 06:33.16 | unstable | valdyn: Because most users can't figure out how to get java. |
| 06:33.22 | unstable | (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) |
| 06:33.27 | valdyn | unstable: mplayer cannot be illigal in europe |
| 06:33.28 | joeyjones | it took me 1 hour to figure out apt-fet |
| 06:33.34 | joeyjones | *apt-get |
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| 06:34.11 | stew | joeyjones: http://debian-unofficial.org/installation.html |
| 06:34.21 | valdyn | unstable: www.blackdown.org has java packages |
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| 06:34.47 | stew | valdyn: blackdown won't run azureus though afaik (but i'm not positive) |
| 06:34.50 | unstable | haha, debian-unofficial has hotbabe |
| 06:34.52 | unstable | I forgot about that. |
| 06:34.57 | valdyn | stew: you are right iirc |
| 06:35.02 | stew | valdyn: aren't the patent problems with mplayer a problem in germany as well? |
| 06:35.03 | joeyjones | stew: iunno how to do that |
| 06:35.24 | valdyn | stew: there's no legal protection for 'idea' patents in europe yet |
| 06:35.41 | valdyn | stew: ( whatever the proper legal term for that kind of patents is.. ) |
| 06:35.57 | stew | valdyn: i thought the fraunhoffer patents were valid in germany as well |
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| 06:36.08 | valdyn | stew: there's a few thousand patents, but they do not have any legal protection |
| 06:36.09 | stew | joeyjones: the url i gave you has instructions for adding an unofficial debian source that has java |
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| 06:36.27 | joeyjones | i don't even know how to edit a txt file |
| 06:36.33 | joeyjones | stupid windows |
| 06:36.43 | joeyjones | corrupted me |
| 06:37.06 | valdyn | stew: not exactly, reimplementing mp3 was legal, is legal |
| 06:37.32 | valdyn | stew: and verbatim copying doesnt need patents to be protected.. |
| 06:37.50 | stew | valdyn: i only say that becuase i see stuff like this: |
| 06:37.51 | stew | !mp3 |
| 06:37.51 | dpkg | somebody said mp3 was MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
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| 06:38.32 | valdyn | stew: i dont know details, anyway you _can_ patent anything in germany, but there's no legal protection as in the U.S. |
| 06:38.59 | stew | joeyjones: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:39.26 | joeyjones | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 06:39.42 | stew | i'm guessing that means stable |
| 06:39.59 | joeyjones | iuno |
| 06:40.00 | stew | joeyjones: i'd recommend using "nano" as a text editor |
| 06:40.04 | valdyn | stew: couple years ago there was already 3000 patents sitting in munich which all had a very dubious status as ideas aren't protected by law here |
| 06:40.12 | joeyjones | and btw, i only have ssh access |
| 06:40.21 | joeyjones | so no using x |
| 06:40.57 | stew | joeyjones: nano doesn't require x. however you said you are installing this to run azureus which does require x |
| 06:41.10 | joeyjones | damn |
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| 06:41.32 | joeyjones | fucking bittornado won't work properly |
| 06:41.35 | \amethyst | joeyjones: you can tunnel X over SSH you know :) |
| 06:41.41 | stew | joeyjones: if you are looking for a text based bittorent client, use btdownloadacurses from bittornado |
| 06:41.50 | joeyjones | ok |
| 06:41.52 | valdyn | !rtorrent |
| 06:41.52 | dpkg | i heard rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very efficient curses-based bittorrent client. It's not yet in debian, but the person who's applied to be maintainer has debianised sources at http://debian.mayhq.org/debian/ and sid packages at deb http://debian.mayhq.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 06:41.57 | stew | joeyjones: what do you mean "won't work properly"? |
| 06:41.59 | joeyjones | it's mainly for upload |
| 06:42.03 | joeyjones | errors |
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| 06:42.13 | valdyn | !info rtorrent testing |
| 06:42.19 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.4.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 181 kB, Installed size: 524 kB |
| 06:42.58 | stew | joeyjones: tell us the actual errors, if its more than one line, put them in a pastebin |
| 06:43.04 | stew | valdyn: do you wanna fix the factoid? |
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| 06:43.36 | valdyn | dpkg: no, rtorrent is i heard rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very efficient curses-based bittorrent client. It is in debian unstable and testing. |
| 06:43.36 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
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| 06:44.39 | joeyjones | stew: nvm, btdownloadcurses.py works |
| 06:44.44 | joeyjones | the rest don't |
| 06:44.51 | joeyjones | probably cause of x |
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| 06:45.07 | del1c10us | hey how is it going |
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| 06:45.25 | liable | dpkg: no, rtorrent is <reply> i heard rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very efficient curses-based bittorrent client. It is in debian unstable and testing. |
| 06:45.25 | dpkg | okay, liable |
| 06:45.47 | del1c10us | hey is there such thing as a google forum where google engineers talk and help out |
| 06:45.48 | liable | otherwise to many "i heards" :) |
| 06:45.57 | del1c10us | i know this is a debian channel - i am just asking |
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| 06:46.14 | jm_ | Sarge users can also find rtorrent on backports |
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| 06:47.27 | valdyn | dpkg, rtorrent =~ s#testing.#testing. For sarge see http://www.backports.org/.# |
| 06:47.27 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 06:48.33 | falkon | it's been a while since I've compiled a kernel. I made the kernel image, do I do make-kpkg modules_image to build modules? |
| 06:48.42 | rabies | !tell falkon about kp mantra |
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| 06:48.48 | valdyn | falkon: no, that is to build out of tree modules |
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| 06:48.51 | joeyjones | so to dl do i jsut put "btdownloadcurses.py url http://bt.shinsen-subs.org/%5BShinsen-Subs%5D_Prince_of_Tennis_-_161-178.torrent" |
| 06:48.55 | liable | falkon: no need |
| 06:48.55 | joeyjones | or what? |
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| 06:49.43 | falkon | okay, i didn't do make-kpkg modules_image; can I do that now? |
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| 06:50.27 | \amethyst | joeyjones: pirating anime, eh? |
| 06:50.37 | Azar | haha this is the best advice I ever heard: when "everything else" fails, stop using everything else (other than the debian way - or debian packages) |
| 06:50.39 | joeyjones | yep |
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| 06:51.09 | joeyjones | \amethyst: yep, good old seeding server |
| 06:51.14 | \amethyst | joeyjones: check out man btdownloadcurses for more information |
| 06:51.51 | \amethyst | usually, just btdownloadcurses http://foo.bar/baz/fum.torrent will work |
| 06:52.03 | \amethyst | oh, and you shouldn't pirate anime |
| 06:52.11 | falkon | argh |
| 06:52.24 | falkon | tried to build modules |
| 06:52.57 | \amethyst | falkon: are you using any third-party modules? |
| 06:52.59 | |Predator | how can I reconfigure a package if I done horrible things to its config file? |
| 06:53.08 | falkon | \amethyst: nvidia source |
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| 06:53.55 | \amethyst | falkon: so you will need to build the module image, and hopefully you haven't changed the config since you last built the kernel |
| 06:54.02 | joeyjones | \amethyst: should i be using --url for thr location of the torrent file or for the location of the tracker? |
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| 06:54.07 | stew | |Predator: purge it and reinstall it |
| 06:54.10 | liable | |Predator: undo the horrible things?or purge and re-install may be the easiest |
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| 06:54.13 | falkon | \amethyst: I JUST built the kernel |
| 06:54.20 | |Predator | thanks |
| 06:54.24 | stew | is the nvidia one-liner still valid? |
| 06:54.28 | liable | falkon: kernel_image make s all your modules. |
| 06:54.30 | \amethyst | falkon: so, yes, you need to do modules_image |
| 06:54.34 | |Predator | hope I will not get dependancy hell out of it |
| 06:54.43 | Azar | stew, for Sarge users, I guess yes |
| 06:54.44 | |Predator | slapd in the face hehe |
| 06:55.01 | stew | |Predator: dpkg -P --force-deps packagename ; apt-get install packagename |
| 06:55.04 | Azar | stew, any new ways for nvidia? |
| 06:55.12 | stew | Azar: i have no idea |
| 06:55.12 | |Predator | thanks stew |
| 06:55.13 | falkon | \amethyst: problem is, it gave me an error and I dunno wtf is wrong |
| 06:55.24 | stew | falkon: what version of debian? |
| 06:55.29 | Azar | stew, I guess yes but lately I only seen ati users coming for help |
| 06:55.31 | falkon | etch |
| 06:55.31 | \amethyst | falkon: is the error in the nvidia code? |
| 06:55.45 | \amethyst | falkon: or does it error out before it starts compiling anything? |
| 06:56.16 | falkon | \amethyst: cp: cannot create regular file '/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/control': permission denied |
| 06:56.36 | falkon | and that's not right, because the group is src, and my user is in group src |
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| 06:56.53 | stew | falkon: does the group have write permission to the directory? |
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| 06:57.13 | Rhizome | :) |
| 06:57.22 | stew | falkon: have you logged out since adding yourself to the src group? |
| 06:57.39 | falkon | stew: die... no... no write permissions hehe |
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| 06:58.37 | roler | what package do I install to allow intel i810 xorg drivers? |
| 06:59.01 | stew | roler: xserver-xorg |
| 06:59.13 | roler | or better yet, what do I type to re-configure the config? |
| 06:59.18 | roler | the aided utility? |
| 06:59.23 | stew | !drxx roler |
| 06:59.23 | dpkg | roler: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:59.34 | madona | hi , does anybody know about sending SMS through webpage ? |
| 06:59.40 | roler | yes thank you |
| 06:59.41 | stew | roler: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/README.i810 |
| 07:00.07 | tey` | anyone knowledgeable using cron job scripts and unison synchronization between debian and winxp? |
| 07:00.21 | Rhizome | madona: sms_api.sf.net |
| 07:00.58 | stew | yikes |
| 07:00.59 | roler | thank you stew |
| 07:01.00 | roler | brbb |
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| 07:03.13 | Rhizome | hehe |
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| 07:06.34 | madona | Rhizome: thanks.. .. I think I need to find a free Gateway ... If I use the program smssend wich reuse other portal scripts, I wil be sending SMSs signed by the portal I'm using.. |
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| 07:06.38 | gnychis | how in OpenOffice calc can i start a cell with a - or + without having it interpret the cell as a mathematical expression? |
| 07:06.39 | Sprinterv6 | morning |
| 07:07.20 | Rhizome | madona: I use www.clickatel.com, not free though |
| 07:07.30 | dererk | morning there Sprinterv6 |
| 07:07.47 | \amethyst | gnychis: does something like '+10 work? |
| 07:07.54 | falkon | WTF |
| 07:07.58 | stew | gnychis: for example: enter: '-5 |
| 07:08.06 | Sprinterv6 | i have a very strange problem on my dedicated box :/ |
| 07:08.19 | falkon | I SPECIFICALLY disabled nvidiafb in the kernel and it says it's enabled |
| 07:08.28 | falkon | oh wait, that was rivafb |
| 07:08.34 | falkon | ...shit |
| 07:08.37 | Sprinterv6 | yesterday somehow, there was a connection problem to the server hoster where my debian box is |
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| 07:08.53 | gnychis | that works, however i see the ' ... i don't want to see it :) |
| 07:09.00 | Sprinterv6 | then alot of services werent working anymore after it was connectable again |
| 07:09.12 | madona | Rhizome: ok thankyou |
| 07:09.13 | \amethyst | hmm.. |
| 07:09.15 | liable | retstart them? |
| 07:09.18 | Sprinterv6 | like gameservers, bouncers, identd |
| 07:09.18 | sep | Sprinterv6, type your whole question with details on one long line, it's hopless to pice together the bits the way you do it now |
| 07:09.19 | nkuttler | gnychis: just a guess, look into the cell's format or properties? |
| 07:09.33 | sep | Sprinterv6, restart the services read in the logs |
| 07:09.37 | joeyjones | that's weird, i got it started, but it didn't connect |
| 07:09.48 | Sprinterv6 | i restarted them, working fine again |
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| 07:09.58 | Sprinterv6 | the strange thing is that the gameservers went to 100 % cpu |
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| 07:10.16 | Sprinterv6 | and the system was under 100% load nonstop |
| 07:10.23 | \amethyst | gnychis: it shouldn't show up that way in an autoformatted cell |
| 07:10.38 | Sprinterv6 | can it be a result of that that some services werent working anymore? |
| 07:11.41 | \amethyst | Ugh... I have to say I much prefer gnumeric to 2.0 OOOCalc |
| 07:11.47 | gnychis | \amethyst: that was it... had it set to "Text" instead of auto |
| 07:11.51 | \amethyst | aha |
| 07:11.57 | \amethyst | if it's set to text |
| 07:12.04 | \amethyst | then you should be able to say just +3 |
| 07:12.45 | \amethyst | ' is how you mark an unformatted cell as text in Excel |
| 07:13.05 | \amethyst | probably in 1-2-3 as well, I don't remember |
| 07:13.48 | stew | yeah that or something like "/cft" |
| 07:14.10 | \amethyst | I learned spreadsheets on Quattro Pro :) |
| 07:14.23 | stew | i learned on 1-2-3 but it was a very long time ago |
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| 07:14.45 | \amethyst | I was in middle school, but then I'm still young |
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| 07:15.26 | stew | !tell new2debian about root |
| 07:17.32 | Azar | ' sets it to the right " sets it to the left ^ sets it in the middle |
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| 07:19.09 | suyog | can anyone tell me how i can get audio previews in nautilus? I get previews for wav files at the moment |
| 07:19.23 | mortal__ | suyog: not anyone |
| 07:19.28 | mortal__ | someone |
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| 07:20.18 | suyog | right!! someone!! I've got bad grammar. |
| 07:20.40 | suyog | can u help me, mortal__ ? |
| 07:20.55 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:20.55 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
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| 07:21.29 | stew | heh |
| 07:22.02 | suyog | anyone? please? i want to have audio preview in nautilus. what plugins do i need to install? |
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| 07:22.13 | pmallapp | any idea about seamonkey debs |
| 07:22.19 | tarzeau | suyog: that'd be audio prehear |
| 07:22.26 | tarzeau | or prelisten |
| 07:22.48 | suyog | i see. can i get it by apt-get? |
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| 07:23.06 | tarzeau | suyog: no idea if nautilus can do that |
| 07:23.11 | tarzeau | ask the #gnome guys in irc.gnome.org ? |
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| 07:23.32 | suyog | i do get audio previews for wav files! |
| 07:23.42 | Azar | suyog: yes not everyone use nautilus here, try searching docs on nautilus website |
| 07:23.44 | suyog | ah, okay. irc.gnome.org. |
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| 07:24.08 | joeyjones | how wsould i chmod a directory tree? |
| 07:24.40 | tarzeau | joeyjones: find . -type d -exec chmod 775 {} \; ? |
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| 07:25.27 | Azar | joeyjones: tutorial here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 07:25.58 | nn- | where does debian store the information whether X is started with "-nolisten tcp"? |
| 07:26.10 | tarzeau | nn-: /etc |
| 07:26.14 | tarzeau | nn-: either X11 or default |
| 07:26.55 | nn- | doesn't anyone know the exact file? |
| 07:27.00 | nn- | i am sick of searching.. |
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| 07:27.09 | Zibao_ocupado | bye personal |
| 07:27.26 | Zibao_ocupado | God blesses you!!! |
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| 07:27.37 | liable | yay |
| 07:27.45 | liable | !bless #debian |
| 07:27.46 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child #debian, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 07:27.53 | Peizhao | anyone know how to enable kernel ACPI? |
| 07:28.07 | dani | hello |
| 07:28.09 | Eclipser | acpi |
| 07:28.11 | Eclipser | erf |
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| 07:28.33 | Peizhao | ? |
| 07:28.50 | Peizhao | I am working with kernel 2.4.30 |
| 07:28.52 | joeyjones | does this look right? |
| 07:29.00 | liable | Peizhao: its in the kernel options, under power management. what else do you need to know? |
| 07:29.08 | joeyjones | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2251 |
| 07:29.30 | Peizhao | I am working with 2.4.30, I don't think there is a power option |
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| 07:30.11 | SilverMoonDragon | what is the version of kde in sarge? |
| 07:30.34 | dani | I also have an acpi pb, I'm working with a 2.6.15 and almost everything works |
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| 07:30.53 | dani | exepted that sometimes, at the boot, the battery isn't detected |
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| 07:31.38 | Peizhao | is ACPI also managing IRQ as well? |
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| 07:32.41 | plbgnr | hello, is there 2.6.15 kernel in debian etch for AMD Athlon? |
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| 07:33.53 | s_i_m | Peizhao: look at 'dmesg' output on your system |
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| 07:34.49 | Sprinterv6 | ok, here the detailed problem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2252 |
| 07:35.10 | Rhizome | xen is so cool. my server turned into 7 :D |
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| 07:36.16 | liable | Sprinterv6: nothing at all in logs? |
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| 07:39.27 | Sprinterv6 | anybody an idea? |
| 07:40.06 | pmallapp | any idea about seamonkey debs searched in packages.debian.org and apt-get.org no luck |
| 07:40.20 | s_i_m | Sprinterv6: not enough info to say something definite :/ |
| 07:40.24 | Rhizome | liable had one |
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| 07:40.56 | Sprinterv6 | i had a quick disconnect, maybe i havent seen the line |
| 07:41.29 | Rhizome | Try to set it up so you'll get more info next time :) |
| 07:41.36 | liable | Sprinterv6: nothing at all in logs? |
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| 07:41.45 | Sprinterv6 | syslog? |
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| 07:42.12 | liable | Sprinterv6: i would have a look through any relevant log, services, kernel, everything. |
| 07:42.14 | Sprinterv6 | its full of cron stuff, havent found anything |
| 07:42.17 | dorel | how come i dont have apt-setup? |
| 07:42.30 | liable | dorel: no longer in etch or sid. |
| 07:42.48 | dorel | i see. so there's no easy way to setup my sources then? |
| 07:42.55 | Azar | liable, interesting so how it will go then? |
| 07:42.59 | Rhizome | maybe, have a script that restarts everything if the inet connection dies |
| 07:43.25 | liable | Azar: its a udeb in the installer, after install, your on your own i guess. |
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| 07:43.38 | yalu | Hello. I am currently looking at http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1017 (about the recent kernel security bugs). Can anyone tell me if vanilla kernels (not from Debian sources) are also vulnerable, and which versions? |
| 07:43.42 | Sprinterv6 | damn inet connection is not allowed to die |
| 07:43.49 | Azar | liable the installer sets up a sources list by default? |
| 07:43.51 | Sprinterv6 | freaking hoster |
| 07:43.51 | Rhizome | hehe |
| 07:44.01 | ooev | is there anyway to tell from which source a installed .deb is? |
| 07:44.01 | Rhizome | Sprinterv6: you tell em! |
| 07:44.06 | Sprinterv6 | yeah |
| 07:44.29 | liable | Azar: it runs apt-setup during install. base-config runs before the reboot i am led to believe. |
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| 07:44.36 | Sprinterv6 | thats for what i need a dedicated box, to have it online 99,9% of the time. |
| 07:44.44 | Sprinterv6 | crappy networking problems |
| 07:44.55 | Sprinterv6 | maybe they get ddos`d from time to time |
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| 07:45.10 | Azar | liable, interesting good to know thanks saving a list of sources then |
| 07:45.34 | liable | Sprinterv6: check logs, who knows, it might be a network driver crapping out, or hardware. |
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| 07:45.43 | s_i_m | ooev: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 07:45.45 | liable | Azar: its still in sarge |
| 07:46.05 | Azar | liable, yes I was just keeping this in mind for when I will upgrade |
| 07:46.08 | dorel | where can i find the list of debian's repositories? |
| 07:46.33 | liable | dorel: debian.org/mirrors (or something similar) |
| 07:47.00 | liable | !mirrors |
| 07:47.00 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 07:47.53 | ooev | s_i_m, it's not there. |
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| 07:48.05 | s_i_m | let me see... |
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| 07:48.59 | Gumby` | does swap have a mount entry in fstab in debian? and does it appear in the "mount" entries? |
| 07:49.22 | yalu | yes and no |
| 07:49.50 | yalu | swapspace is no filesystem thus it cannot be mounted. but it is set up in /etc/fstab |
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| 07:51.21 | Gumby` | yalu: thank you |
| 07:51.37 | Gumby` | I must be getting tired, I looked in fstab but didnt see it the first time |
| 07:52.34 | Sprinterv6 | Mar 28 21:24:55 <servername> kernel: UDP: bad checksum. From 7.12.12.16:13364 to 62.75.*.*:1032 ulen 285 |
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| 07:54.02 | Sprinterv6 | 7.12.12.16?? |
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| 07:55.27 | Sprinterv6 | can somebody tell me what that means? |
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| 07:55.56 | s_i_m | ooev: some packages do not have "Source: " field in the description indeed |
| 07:56.22 | s_i_m | what is your package? |
| 07:56.50 | SonnyBurnett | hi I just installed a new java support from sun page (j2re1.5) now I want to pick it as default using #update-alternatives --config java, but it doenst appear in the list, how can I do it? |
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| 07:57.48 | s_i_m | ooev: try "apt-cache show gcc" for example |
| 07:59.17 | s_i_m | or maybe the meaning of the "Source: " field is different in the package desc.? Does anybody know? |
| 07:59.19 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, did you generate a deb using mpkg-java (or how it was named)? |
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| 08:00.24 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, nop I just followed the instructions from sun's page: I execute the the file: #./jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin |
| 08:00.51 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, that's the problem, the sun installer will NOT integrate java into debian |
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| 08:02.03 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, how can I do that? |
| 08:02.33 | Delicates | what FS would you format a 500GB home storage drive? |
| 08:02.44 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, aah I found it, install java-package |
| 08:02.47 | jengelh | !search libunwind |
| 08:02.58 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, first uninstall what the sun-installer installed |
| 08:03.15 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, afterwards? |
| 08:04.17 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, please wait a sec... (I have to try it out) |
| 08:04.26 | SonnyBurnett | ok |
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| 08:05.00 | _zap_ | hi. tar does not seem to support archiving unix sockets. is there a way to create them manually? |
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| 08:06.03 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, after installing java-package, you have the script make-jpkg and then you do `make-jpkg <the file you downloaded from sun>` |
| 08:06.31 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, e.g. make-jpkg sun-sdk1.5-i386-bla-bla.bin |
| 08:07.40 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, how can I unistall what I dowloaded from suns page? |
| 08:07.41 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, and don't rename it! the script has to know wheater it's a sun, a blackdown or whatever binary file |
| 08:07.57 | SonnyBurnett | let me try |
| 08:07.59 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, ooh, no idea, sorry. |
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| 08:08.28 | jm_ | _zap_: there's no point in archiving them |
| 08:08.31 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, isn't it installed in just one folder which you can just delete? (something like /usr/local/j2sdk-1.5) |
| 08:08.49 | SonnyBurnett | yep |
| 08:08.54 | SonnyBurnett | I wil delete it |
| 08:08.55 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, so remove it |
| 08:09.11 | _zap_ | jm_: ok so they are created on the fly when the corresponding program is started |
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| 08:09.35 | _zap_ | jm_: nevertheless, is there a tool (like mknod or mkfifo) to create unix sockets on the file system? |
| 08:09.58 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, and remember: I you want a clean debian distribution where everything works together: NEVER use the binary installers from the vendors... (not for java, not for nvidia, ...) |
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| 08:10.30 | SonnyBurnett | oki doki |
| 08:10.51 | jm_ | _zap_: you can easily create it, but there's no point if nothing is listening on it |
| 08:11.41 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, did you did make-jpkg as root? |
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| 08:12.39 | _zap_ | jm_: is there any information encoded into the socket file (apart from the name, the fact that it is a socket and the access rights? |
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| 08:12.47 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, I do not remember anymore. Try it as non-root. it will generate a deb which you can install with dpkg -i <java-deb> afterwards. It it doesn't work, use root *g* |
| 08:13.16 | jm_ | _zap_: yeah, it's a special file |
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| 08:13.51 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, nice shot! |
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| 08:14.34 | _zap_ | jm_: ok |
| 08:14.45 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, it works well, no? |
| 08:15.52 | SonnyBurnett | with jre yep, but not with jmf |
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| 08:17.30 | Jeeves_Moss | all: any one awake in here? |
| 08:17.36 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, what's jmf? |
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| 08:18.13 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, jmf-2_1_1e-linux-i586.bin |
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| 08:18.31 | jes-o-mat | Jeeves_Moss: no they are all sleeping. currently only chatbots are active |
| 08:18.37 | Jeeves_Moss | SonnyBurnett: do you nkow anything about setting up a BitTorrent tracker? I'm compleatly lost here. |
| 08:19.15 | Jeeves_Moss | jes-o-mat: it was a retorical question |
| 08:19.35 | SonnyBurnett | Jeeves_Moss, just install bittorrent and bittorrent-gui |
| 08:19.37 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, ok, but what does "jmf" do? what is it? |
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| 08:20.14 | SonnyBurnett | !jmf |
| 08:20.14 | dpkg | [jmf] a piece of shit by sun to implement a media framework with rtp and rtcp. Luckily for them SenderReports always returns null |
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| 08:21.13 | Jeeves_Moss | sonnyBurnett: I would like to run it in a shell only server. |
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| 08:21.27 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, The Java Media Framework API (JMF) specifies a simple, unified architecture to synchronize and control audio, video and other time-based data within Java applications and applets. |
| 08:21.30 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, ah ok :-) isn't there a free replacement |
| 08:22.16 | SonnyBurnett | Jeeves_Moss, I saw a page in google .... I just use the gui :p |
| 08:22.49 | Jeeves_Moss | SonnyBurnett: This server is a Compaq Prolient thats in a differn't part of the house. Did I mention I'm lazy? |
| 08:23.00 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, is that more than just java .class files and documentation? are there binaries/manpages in it? |
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| 08:23.18 | menko | hey um, does anyone know how to reset the services back to the defaults from installation? I kinda... well, don't ask, please .. |
| 08:23.34 | SonnyBurnett | Jeeves_Moss, do you want to use torrent as a server or as a client? |
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| 08:24.03 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/jmf/reference/faqs/index.html#what |
| 08:24.09 | Jeeves_Moss | SonnyBurnett: server. |
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| 08:25.05 | SonnyBurnett | Jeeves_Moss, add this line to httpd.conf: AddType application/x-bittorrent .torrent |
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| 08:25.23 | SonnyBurnett | Jeeves_Moss, afterwards: $ bttrack --port 6969 --dfile dstate |
| 08:25.36 | Jeeves_Moss | SonnyBurnett: ok, thanks. Looking for packages now. |
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| 08:26.08 | SonnyBurnett | Jeeves_Moss, after: btmakemetafile linux.tar.gz http://direccion.pc-tracker:6969/announce, this generates the torrent file for linux.tar.gz |
| 08:26.23 | SonnyBurnett | Jeeves_Moss, thats it |
| 08:27.12 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, ok, then you have 2 choices: 1: you take make-jpkg as a template and create your own mpkg-jmf OR 2: you use the shitty sun installer for it and it's not integrated into debian but in this case it's not sooo bad, because no other packages should have dependenciens on jmf |
| 08:29.17 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, thanks a lot.... Wow!! it worked!!! I love You!! hahahaha You were my angel tonight |
| 08:29.35 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, :-) |
| 08:29.54 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, where are you from? |
| 08:30.04 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, freiburg in germany |
| 08:30.08 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, you? |
| 08:31.20 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, Lima, Peru ..... Do you know? |
| 08:31.46 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, yep a friend of mine was there 3 months ago :-) |
| 08:32.16 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, Did he come back safe? hahaha |
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| 08:32.36 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, yep she's back in freiburg |
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| 08:32.42 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, What did he tell you about my country? |
| 08:32.50 | SonnyBurnett | oooo she |
| 08:33.08 | joeyjones | what is good for antivirus on debian? |
| 08:33.16 | tarzeau | joeyjones: you don't need it |
| 08:33.37 | roler | has anyone successfully gotten an intel 945GM (Intel 950 Graphics Media Accelerator) working in linux? I have it working under the vesa driver, but it's very slow... Intel has a driver on their website for SuSE only... :( |
| 08:33.43 | joeyjones | i mainly want it for peace of mind |
| 08:33.44 | stew | joeyjones: clamav |
| 08:33.48 | joeyjones | since i may end up hosting files |
| 08:33.49 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, she liked it but her boss there was a dumb ass. But I didn't met her yet in freiburg. just received one email |
| 08:35.06 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, You should come here.... Are you sure that you know where is Peru right? |
| 08:36.16 | unstable | !clamav |
| 08:36.16 | dpkg | somebody said clamav was http://www.clamav.net/ .. an anti-virus toolkit written from scratch. It is licensed under GNU GPL2 and uses the virus database from OpenAntiVirus. It has support for on-demand email scanning, conventional directory scanning and in Linux, on-access file scan, good for Samba/Netatalk servers. |
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| 08:36.37 | unstable | !rkhunter |
| 08:36.48 | unstable | !chkrootkit |
| 08:36.49 | dpkg | chkrootkit is known to generate false positives on recent (2.4.24 and 2.6.*) kernels - it will complain about a few "processes hidden from the ps command". |
| 08:36.57 | weissi | SonnyBurnett, yeah I know (has a border with brazil) :-) If I have money, I'll perhaps come some day with my girlfriend, she like south america very much |
| 08:37.13 | yperite | !zeppoo |
| 08:37.15 | yperite | :) |
| 08:37.24 | yperite | www.zeppoo.net |
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| 08:38.07 | SonnyBurnett | weissi, nice! |
| 08:38.13 | unstable | !rkhunter |
| 08:38.13 | dpkg | somebody said rkhunter was Rootkit Hunter a Unix-based tool that scans for rootkits, backdoors and local exploits. It does this by comparing MD5 hash of important files with known good ones in online database, searching for default directories (of rootkits), wrong permissions, hidden files, suspicious strings in kernel modules, and special tests for Linux and FreeBSD. |
| 08:38.25 | joeyjones | can i get clamav through apt-get? |
| 08:38.28 | yperite | unstable, you know zeppoo |
| 08:38.33 | unstable | nope |
| 08:38.54 | yperite | try it, it's new and it's most powerful :) than rkhunter ou chkrootkit ! |
| 08:38.58 | yperite | www.zeppoo.net |
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| 08:39.21 | liable | joeyjones: yes, but you prolly want to add volatile sources if you use sarge |
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| 08:39.36 | joeyjones | what's sarge? |
| 08:39.42 | weissi | !sarge |
| 08:39.42 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 08:39.45 | liable | oh dear. |
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| 08:41.00 | joeyjones | how do you check version? |
| 08:41.07 | joeyjones | nvm |
| 08:41.41 | joeyjones | 2.4.27-2-386 #1 |
| 08:41.43 | weissi | joeyjones, `cat /etc/debian_version` |
| 08:41.45 | joeyjones | that's my version |
| 08:42.10 | weissi | joeyjones, oh, sorry that was for checking debian versions, but you want to check kernel version instead, I think |
| 08:42.32 | joeyjones | is 2.4.27-2-386 #1 my version? |
| 08:42.47 | weissi | joeyjones, that's probably your linux kernel version |
| 08:43.05 | Azar | joeyjones: look in /etc/apt/sources.list copy one source line and paste it here |
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| 08:43.52 | joeyjones | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:44.01 | joeyjones | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:44.04 | Azar | ok |
| 08:44.07 | joeyjones | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 08:44.17 | Azar | Sarge or maybe a not upgraded woody |
| 08:44.18 | weissi | joeyjones, so you have debian stable == sarge |
| 08:44.27 | weissi | or so :-) |
| 08:44.42 | Azar | joeyjones: when is the last time you did apt-get upgrade? |
| 08:44.48 | joeyjones | i have w/e the guy i rent my server from pput on |
| 08:44.49 | joeyjones | lol |
| 08:44.53 | joeyjones | never... |
| 08:44.57 | joeyjones | i get the server today |
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| 08:45.06 | Azar | joeyjones: you installed it today? |
| 08:45.11 | joeyjones | no |
| 08:45.15 | joeyjones | got access today |
| 08:45.21 | joeyjones | it's hosted 1 country away |
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| 08:45.50 | Azar | joeyjones: do what weissi said: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 08:46.04 | Azar | tell us exactly the output |
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| 08:46.08 | joeyjones | what's cat? |
| 08:46.12 | weissi | !cat |
| 08:46.13 | dpkg | cat is probably a *nix command, see also more, less, or even better : the heavenly sweet 'dog'. a quadruped animal known for feeling superior and saying 'meow'. |
| 08:46.14 | Azar | cat is a command |
| 08:46.25 | Azar | cat shows you the content of a file |
| 08:46.39 | weissi | joeyjones, cat types the content of the file on the terminal |
| 08:46.47 | jengelh | concatenate... |
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| 08:47.03 | Azar | I allways use/prefer "less" |
| 08:47.25 | joeyjones | 3.1 |
| 08:47.40 | Azar | ok \0/ is a Sarge |
| 08:47.41 | jengelh | !more |
| 08:47.41 | dpkg | more is probably less, or more, or less more or less |
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| 08:48.25 | Azar | joeyjones: whatever you do you would want to upgrade the kernel to a 2.6.8 precompiled easy to install kernel. It is up to you |
| 08:49.09 | joeyjones | Azar: is that hard to so over ssh? |
| 08:49.21 | stew | Azar: why do you recommend a 2.6.8 kernel for installing clamav? |
| 08:49.38 | Azar | joeyjones: next time you come for help remember to tell everyone that you are using Debian 3.1 with a 2.4.17 kernel: it makes easier to help |
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| 08:50.02 | Azar | stew, no, I was just saying that as a general speaking..not that he needs it now |
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| 08:50.53 | joeyjones | so is it hard to do that over ssh? |
| 08:50.56 | Azar | joeyjones: sit as you are now, until you learn more ... no rush with kernels, video or sound |
| 08:51.02 | jengelh | just do it man |
| 08:51.17 | joeyjones | video and sound don't apply |
| 08:51.26 | joeyjones | it's a server 1 country away with ssh only |
| 08:51.27 | Azar | cool less hassle |
| 08:51.37 | stew | Azar: why does he want to upgrade his kernel? |
| 08:51.58 | Azar | stew I was just thinking hardware support-wise |
| 08:52.06 | joeyjones | lol |
| 08:52.11 | weissi | joeyjones, no serial console, no backup system? |
| 08:52.14 | Azar | but he does not need much so its ok |
| 08:52.37 | joeyjones | weissi: what's serial console and backup system? |
| 08:52.38 | stew | so... |
| 08:52.52 | jengelh | duh |
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| 08:53.42 | weissi | joeyjones, serial console is just like a screen and a keyboard, so if e.g. sshd doesn't run anymore, you can still login |
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| 08:54.00 | liable | weissi: how to do serial console on a server in another country? |
| 08:54.28 | joeyjones | lol |
| 08:55.24 | weissi | liable, normally you tell bootloader, kernel and init that you want to use one tty as serial console. then many server-hosting-providers provide one server in which you can login and there you have installed minicom |
| 08:56.00 | weissi | liable, obviously the "serial-console-maintenance-server" has to be connected somewhere do your server with a serial cable |
| 08:56.06 | plutonas | Hello I just installed debian and I have some problems/questions. First of all it doesn't shutdown, it writes all the shutdown messages, then the last one: Power Off or something like this and then it stays like that and I have to turn it off by hand. Is this normal? What can I do to fix this? |
| 08:56.08 | liable | weissi: oh. nice. |
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| 08:56.57 | weissi | liable, yep, e.g. if you setup your firewall, you run out-of-mem and sshd gets killed, if you install a new kernel, ... |
| 08:56.58 | aalderinkr | hi |
| 08:57.09 | unstable | !greet aalderinkr |
| 08:57.09 | dpkg | Gr33tz, aalderinkr |
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| 08:57.19 | aalderinkr | =) |
| 08:57.45 | unstable | plutonas: What command are you giving to shutdown? I use "shutdown -h now" |
| 08:58.08 | joeyjones | lol |
| 08:58.09 | liable | weissi: thats ok. i was thinking you meant from a local perspective. |
| 08:58.13 | aalderinkr | i try to use nesses to scan my local server. but i dont know how to find the log entry that tells me if its uses the ssh login yes or no.. Some can tell me? |
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| 08:58.30 | NovaScorpio | Hi - Does anyone here know how I can do a video capture of my screen - like, dumping what my xclient sees to a video dump or something? |
| 08:58.50 | joeyjones | my server is aprox. 2000 miles away from me |
| 08:58.53 | unstable | !xvid |
| 08:58.54 | dpkg | i heard xvid is a free/speech divx codec. http://www.xvid.org Get debs (current package name: libxvidcore4) from marillat. |
| 08:58.55 | unstable | !xvidcap |
| 08:59.00 | plutonas | unstable, I select log out from the gnome actions menu, and then comes a list: a) log out, b) Shut down and c) Restart the computer. I select then Shut down |
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| 08:59.15 | SC-RM | Hi, Who should I contact to get a explanation for, why Debian-Serge is using rdiff-backup in version 0.13.4 and not even 1.0.0 ??? |
| 08:59.16 | NovaScorpio | unstable - I've never heard of that, thanks. |
| 08:59.17 | unstable | plutonas: Just login as root and "shutdown -h now" |
| 08:59.17 | weissi | liable, :-) |
| 08:59.33 | aalderinkr | NovaScorpio: dont know maybe u can search for overlay capture |
| 08:59.37 | SC-RM | It's very disappointing to be so much behind |
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| 08:59.43 | plutonas | unstable, I'll try |
| 08:59.57 | jm_ | SC-RM: you have to understand how Debian release new versions |
| 09:00.00 | stew | unstable: he's clearly not having a problem running shutdown |
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| 09:00.08 | unstable | !xvidcap |
| 09:00.08 | dpkg | [xvidcap] a small tool to capture things going on on an X-Windows display to either individual frames or an MPEG video. On Windows machines there are commercial tools like Lotus ScreenCam or Camtasia which do a very good job esp. for the purpose I was needing such a tool for: Software documentation, esp. installation procedures and such. |
| 09:00.12 | stew | plutonas: do you know if your motherboard supports acpi? |
| 09:00.17 | joeyjones | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=12363+W+79th+Terrace&city=Lenexa&state=KS&zipcode=66215 |
| 09:00.21 | joeyjones | where my server is |
| 09:00.26 | plutonas | unstable, it still has the same problem |
| 09:00.27 | SC-RM | jm_: what do I then not understand? |
| 09:00.34 | plutonas | stew, no I don't know |
| 09:00.37 | SC-RM | jm_: its way behind |
| 09:00.39 | jengelh | nobody interested in places... |
| 09:00.44 | Azar | NovaScorpio: you talk about a screenshot? |
| 09:00.59 | zkchong | Hi. Do someone know how to use kmail behind a proxy??? |
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| 09:01.01 | plutonas | stew, how do I check this out? |
| 09:01.14 | dn4 | how do I use apt to find out the information about ardour-gtk with ou downloading? |
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| 09:01.32 | liable | dn4: what info? |
| 09:01.43 | dn4 | like the version |
| 09:01.48 | joeyjones | http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&ct=NA&rsres=1&1ffi=&1l=&1g=&1pl=&1v=&1n=&2ffi=&2l=&2g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&1pn=&1a=12363+W+79th+Terrace&1c=Lenexa&1s=KS&1z=66215&2pn=&2a=1976+jeffree&2c=saanichton&2s=BC&2z=&r=f |
| 09:01.54 | joeyjones | the route from me to my server |
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| 09:02.05 | jengelh | http://wayne-interessierts.de/ |
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| 09:02.21 | plutonas | but with my previus distro fc4 shutdown worked fine |
| 09:02.49 | jm_ | SC-RM: you don't understand anything |
| 09:02.50 | menko | dn4: you might want to try apt-cache for that, also look into apt-files |
| 09:02.53 | liable | dn4: apt-cache show foo |
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| 09:03.16 | SC-RM | jm_: http://www.orcaware.com/packages/ubuntu/breezy/rdiff-backup/ rdiff-backup is there for ubuntu, why is it not there for Serge? |
| 09:03.25 | jm_ | SC-RM: because Sarge is stable |
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| 09:03.34 | jmp_me | su |
| 09:03.37 | stew | plutonas: you can try passing apm=poweroff to the kernel |
| 09:03.52 | prudhvi | Hi, when ever i start any deamon i get this . Fake start-stop daemon called doing nothing ? what is this? |
| 09:03.59 | plutonas | stew, sorry but I'm a newbie. How do I do this? |
| 09:04.07 | stew | plutonas: what bootloader do you use? |
| 09:04.17 | wireddd | SC-RM, because sarge is stable |
| 09:04.17 | plutonas | gdm |
| 09:04.20 | SC-RM | jm_: is rdiff-bacup not stable? I run it under gentoo and it's absolutely stable, what is it, that makes it unstable under serge? |
| 09:04.31 | DevilChaos | hi folks am not getting an answer in debian amd 64 so ill ask here got this error and its scrolling on tty1 hub 3-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed port1/ port2 |
| 09:04.32 | liable | plutonas: either install apmd or (more likely acpid) |
| 09:04.36 | joeyjones | do you need to defrag linux? |
| 09:04.47 | Azar | SC-RM: gentoo has nothing to do with Debian Sarge |
| 09:04.56 | stew | joeyjones: no |
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| 09:05.05 | liable | joeyjones: depends on the file system, i think reiser has a defrag tool. |
| 09:05.21 | joeyjones | how do i check what filesystem i have? |
| 09:05.21 | plutonas | liable, so I give apt-get install acpi, and then insert the disc it asks me for? |
| 09:05.32 | liable | plutonas: acpid |
| 09:05.36 | SC-RM | Azar: I know, but it's linux, I'm not talking about having the latest version, but at least having a newer version. 0.13.4 is pretty old |
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| 09:05.39 | stew | liable: he's having trouble with poweroff, so i don't think starting a daemon is the answer since it will be killed long before the poweroff happens or doesn't happen |
| 09:05.50 | DevilChaos | stew: do you know what debounce is? |
| 09:06.12 | Azar | SC-RM: linux is the kernel that several distros are using. gentoo is one distro, Debian is another, very different |
| 09:06.21 | stew | DevilChaos: no, but that looks like usb type of errors, do you have usb devices attached? |
| 09:06.22 | wireddd | SC-RM, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=rdiff-backup |
| 09:06.26 | Zta | This is not very Debian-specific, but Debian is what I use: How do I read the current position of the mouse cursor in X? |
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| 09:06.49 | memic | hi howto force load of kernelmodule on boot? |
| 09:06.52 | Zta | I need it in a script so I can place a terminal window near it using --geometry |
| 09:07.02 | jm_ | SC-RM: that's got nothing to do with it |
| 09:07.08 | DevilChaos | yeah just mouse and it still does it if nothing connected |
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| 09:07.31 | joeyjones | i froze my server... |
| 09:07.35 | SC-RM | Azar: I'm not neeb to linux, I understand the concept, I just havent yet found any reasons, why it was that old... |
| 09:07.41 | joeyjones | grep isn't a nice command |
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| 09:07.58 | joeyjones | or mor elikely froze my ssh login |
| 09:08.12 | plutonas | It says that I have to recompile my kernel in order to have acpid support. Now how do I do that? |
| 09:08.26 | Azar | SC-RM: Debian Sarge, the stable version of Debian is frozen. Only using backports at your own sweat you can get newer versions of whatever you want |
| 09:08.31 | joeyjones | !acpid |
| 09:08.41 | DevilChaos | have to reboot see if that sorts it |
| 09:08.45 | SC-RM | wireddd: thanks, it was just what is was looking for, a explanation |
| 09:09.17 | stew | SC-RM: once stable releases, it never gets new versions of packages. debian testing has 1.1.5-1 |
| 09:09.46 | wireddd | SC-RM, you should probably go with a backport if none of the bugs apply to you |
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| 09:11.04 | SC-RM | wireddd: I'll try that... apparently they does not apply to me, but some testing will show... |
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| 09:17.52 | liable | hrm, my laptop sound like its playing frogger... wtf. |
| 09:18.12 | Langly | Are you using Suse on it? |
| 09:18.54 | liable | i believe it was.. |
| 09:19.10 | joeyjones | lol |
| 09:19.19 | joeyjones | does anyone hack with linux anymore? |
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| 09:19.58 | Langly | I do believe IIRC Suse made by french, and french people are refered to as frogs, he asked why his laptop sounded like it was playing frogger, so I asked if it was running Suse |
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| 09:20.39 | joeyjones | Langly: heheheheheheheheheheh |
| 09:20.58 | Langly | joeyjones, Little complex isnt it :P |
| 09:21.02 | plutonas | how do I recompile the kernel? |
| 09:21.05 | joeyjones | yep |
| 09:21.14 | joeyjones | jsut like people hacking with linux |
| 09:21.18 | Langly | hmm produced in germany according to wikipedia |
| 09:21.34 | Langly | But I am sure I had hear french stuff about it |
| 09:21.37 | stew | plutonas: why do you want to? |
| 09:21.42 | Langly | perhaps I am crossing it with aother os |
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| 09:22.14 | plutonas | because I installed acpid as you told me but it said that my kernel doesn't support it, so I have to recompile it in order to support it |
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| 09:22.17 | joeyjones | man there is no one hacking with linux anymore, everyone uses vb6.0 programs on windows 98/xp |
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| 09:23.13 | stew | plutonas: no, just "modprobe acpi" |
| 09:23.23 | plutonas | that's all? |
| 09:23.32 | stew | yes |
| 09:23.35 | Langly | ok I should have said Mandrake I believe |
| 09:23.44 | liable | hrm, that was very weird. something was opening mplayer, and when i put the url into firefox, it crashed. then the frogger noise stopped. then i try it again and its a devshed website i havent ever been to.. |
| 09:23.48 | plutonas | modprobe: can't locate module acpid |
| 09:24.01 | juhov | plutonas: acpi, not acpid |
| 09:24.20 | plutonas | ok modprobe: can't locate module acpi |
| 09:24.41 | stew | plutonas: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 09:25.05 | plutonas | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 09:25.38 | plutonas | but whereis acpi gieves: /etc/acpi |
| 09:26.03 | stew | plutonas: run "dmidecode | egrep ACPI\|APM" does it say that either ACPI or APM is supported? |
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| 09:26.08 | liable | the mind boggles.. |
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| 09:27.03 | plutonas | dmidecode: command not found |
| 09:27.27 | stew | plutonas: apt-get install dmidecode |
| 09:28.00 | joeyjones | liable: i think you're having a run in with either a french hacker or a cybernetic frog... |
| 09:28.33 | Azar | tarzeau |
| 09:28.47 | Langly | Perhaps his jump drive is hopping instead |
| 09:28.52 | liable | joeyjones: who knows. its pretty funky though. |
| 09:28.57 | Langly | Or his jumpers could be loose |
| 09:29.07 | joeyjones | Langly: lol |
| 09:29.25 | plutonas | ok, so now APM is supported ACPI is supported ACPI (ACPI supported) |
| 09:29.41 | liable | yes, i make shit up fairly frequently on irs to get attention. i am an attention whore.. |
| 09:29.48 | liable | irc.. |
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| 09:30.02 | stew | plutonas: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 09:30.59 | joeyjones | lol |
| 09:31.03 | plutonas | stew It's on another computer that I make this. What should I type? dpkg sarge upgrade kernel? |
| 09:31.14 | joeyjones | i have a question that is slightly on topic... |
| 09:31.19 | Azar | osdl will fund open source developers \0/ |
| 09:31.36 | joeyjones | is there a way to limit the total monthly bw ueage by a debian server? |
| 09:31.42 | stew | !tell plutonas about sarge upgrade kernel |
| 09:32.36 | joeyjones | !tell me about sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 09:34.17 | plutonas | stew the computer where I have debian has no internet connection. And why should I upgrade the kernel. Isn't recompilation with support to acpid enough? |
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| 09:35.26 | stew | plutonas: your kernel already has acpi support |
| 09:35.44 | plutonas | but no acpid? |
| 09:36.01 | stew | plutonas: here is the config for your kernel, search for ACPI: http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/config-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 09:36.10 | pjv | hi is there a call logging software on linux, for helpdesk purposes? |
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| 09:36.26 | stew | plutonas: acpid isn't part of the kernel, what are you hoping the acpid daemon will do for you? |
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| 09:37.34 | plutonas | I don't know, but when I installed acpid it told me that acpid is not supported by my kernel and that I have to recompile it |
| 09:37.42 | plutonas | It still doesn't shut down |
| 09:38.07 | stew | plutonas: acpid won't help you shut down, the daemon would be killed long before its time to poweroff |
| 09:38.41 | plutonas | ok I want to fix shutdown... Tell me what else should I do? |
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| 09:38.54 | nkuttler | pjv: look at sourceforge, maybe one of the crm packages or other business suites |
| 09:39.23 | stew | 04:05 < stew> plutonas: what bootloader do you use? |
| 09:40.05 | plutonas | stew, you mean grub or lilo?] |
| 09:40.09 | stew | yes |
| 09:40.10 | plutonas | or gdm or kdm? |
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| 09:40.13 | plutonas | grub |
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| 09:41.22 | stew | plutonas: i would recommend trying to add " apm=poweroff" to the end of the line starting with "# kopt" in /boot/grub/menu.lst ; then running update-grub, then reboot, then try /sbin/poweroff |
| 09:41.41 | linuxboyfriend | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.44 | pjv | nkutter: i found one but it's very bare, i need one that has more of analysis reports, i was just asking in freenode , if any of you guys hopefully worked with one |
| 09:41.49 | plutonas | ok i'll try |
| 09:41.56 | pjv | anyway ty |
| 09:42.00 | Azar | gah... things to go bad for hardware ms starts licensing hardware for PCs |
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| 09:42.23 | joeyjones | stew: is there a way to keep track of or limit bw useage with debian? |
| 09:42.27 | stew | linuxboyfriend: find -name \*.gx -exec mv {} ~/mysoftware \; |
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| 09:43.13 | linuxboyfriend | stew, can i use -iname with find? |
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| 09:43.32 | plutonas | stew, # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro <-----here? Should I uncomment it too? |
| 09:43.38 | stew | joeyjones: there are a bunch, what eactly are you looking to do? |
| 09:43.56 | joeyjones | limit total bw useage to 500gigs/month |
| 09:43.58 | stew | plutonas: no, don't remove the other stuff that is there, and don't remove the "# " it is not a comment in this case |
| 09:44.16 | joeyjones | or*gigs/week |
| 09:44.17 | stew | linuxboyfriend: yes |
| 09:44.23 | plutonas | ok |
| 09:44.38 | stew | joeyjones: there are tools to do this, but I don't recall what they are exactly |
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| 09:44.53 | linuxboyfriend | stew, can you tell that where should i fit that -iname in the command of find, that u told me? |
| 09:45.28 | Halitherses | what is a good package server in australia? |
| 09:45.34 | stew | linuxboyfriend: wait, maybe i misunderstood, what files are you trying to find? |
| 09:45.36 | Halitherses | for sources.list |
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| 09:45.38 | ac3 | hi |
| 09:45.46 | stew | Halitherses: ftp.au.debian.org |
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| 09:46.23 | stew | linuxboyfriend: i thought you wanted to find files who's name end in ".gz" is this not the whole story? |
| 09:46.35 | ac3 | when i do print "é\n"; in windows, it prints Ú (works fine in linux) |
| 09:46.36 | stew | linuxboyfriend: are you looking for files that might end in ".GZ" as well? |
| 09:46.44 | ac3 | in perl |
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| 09:47.12 | stew | ac3: what is the question? |
| 09:47.34 | ac3 | simple per program that only prints the character é |
| 09:47.46 | linuxboyfriend | stew, yes and also wanna copy them in ~/mysoftwares |
| 09:47.50 | stew | ac3: what character? |
| 09:47.51 | ac3 | works in linux, but windows prints Ú in stead of é |
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| 09:48.06 | `Rage | In /etc/security/limits.conf, if I define numprocs for say @free-users to 15, does that mean, the group collectively, is limited to 15, or each individual user in the group is? |
| 09:48.28 | stew | linuxboyfriend: then yes find -iname \*gz -exec cp {} ~/mysoftware \; |
| 09:48.49 | linuxboyfriend | stew, thanks a lot buddy :) |
| 09:49.00 | `Rage | *nproc not numprocs |
| 09:49.30 | stew | ac3: sorry i don't have glyphs for whatever characters you are trying to describe |
| 09:50.19 | Halitherses | Is this right? : deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org testing main non-free contrib |
| 09:50.24 | ac3 | strange characters |
| 09:50.35 | ac3 | with accents on |
| 09:50.50 | stew | ac3: ask #perl |
| 09:51.03 | stew | this is far from a debian question |
| 09:51.06 | ac3 | they didn´t know |
| 09:51.11 | ac3 | i know:) |
| 09:51.12 | plutonas | stew, I did everything you said but the problem remains |
| 09:51.14 | Halitherses | I get errors |
| 09:51.15 | lavi | excuse me. which tool can be used to unzip file that its extension is deb? |
| 09:51.38 | Halitherses | unable to fetch file |
| 09:51.43 | stew | Halitherses: ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian |
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| 09:51.53 | stew | lavi: ar |
| 09:51.56 | sm|gone | hi |
| 09:51.59 | Halitherses | thanks stew |
| 09:52.19 | lavi | thanks stew |
| 09:52.23 | sm|gone | i'm trying to install sarge on an amd64 (opteron) with a highpoint rocketraid, but the installer says there's no partitionable media |
| 09:52.24 | stew | plutonas: i'd recommend you try a 2.6 kernel |
| 09:52.41 | sm|gone | couldn't find anything on google |
| 09:53.12 | plutonas | you think that's a kernel problem? Is the 2.6 kernel on the distro cd's or do I have to download it? |
| 09:53.13 | stew | sm|gone: is that using the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? do you know what driver that card needs? |
| 09:53.26 | stew | plutonas: there is a 2.6.8-2 kernel on the cd |
| 09:53.45 | plutonas | so apt-get install 2.6.8-2???? |
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| 09:54.11 | sm|gone | i've tried both kernels, and i've downloaded a driver from the raid manufacturers website but i'm not sure what to do with it, the file is just called rr182x-debian-v101 |
| 09:54.35 | stew | plutonas: what cpu do you have? |
| 09:54.42 | sm|gone | it was in a zip file of the same name |
| 09:55.02 | plutonas | Stew, it's a laptop, pentium m 1.8 ghz |
| 09:55.24 | stew | plutonas: then you want kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 09:55.56 | stew | plutonas: and if you wanted to take advantage of any of the speedstep of that cpu you definately want a 2.6 kernel not a 2.4 kernel |
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| 09:56.07 | joeyjones | is there something wrong with using a usere's home dir as a public dir? |
| 09:56.58 | plutonas | stew ok thx, I found it |
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| 09:57.48 | stew | joeyjones: its probably better to use a subdirectory like /home/username/public or /home/username/public_html ; for instance its not wise to expose the users .bash_history |
| 09:58.01 | plutonas | stew is apt-get install ok or should I do something more? |
| 09:58.16 | stew | plutonas: that is fine |
| 09:58.41 | plutonas | because uname -r still gives 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 09:58.57 | stew | plutonas: you'd have to reboot to use the new kernel |
| 09:59.22 | plutonas | ah I see. So reboot and then check if shutdown works.... |
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| 10:01.47 | plutonas | stew it works! Thanks a lot |
| 10:02.50 | Azar | you guys seen this? Building the Whole Debian Archive with GCC 4.1 |
| 10:02.59 | sm|gone | stew, i've downloaded drivers but haven't got a clue how i actually install them, do i need to run something different from the initial boot screen, or execute a shell when it gets to the part where it needs to partition drives? |
| 10:03.12 | azeem | Azar: it's all over the news :) |
| 10:03.24 | stew | Azar: yeah, as a result i think tbm has filed like 500 bugs |
| 10:03.31 | Azar | azeem I only read the OS News and just popped up last night |
| 10:03.42 | stew | sm|gone: sorry i have no idea either |
| 10:03.51 | Azar | is gcc 4.1 more strict? |
| 10:04.00 | azeem | for some stuff, yes |
| 10:04.02 | sm|gone | ok, well cheers for trying |
| 10:04.17 | simonrvn | Azar: not reading your changelogs, are you? ;) |
| 10:05.05 | Azar | woof this is already 3 days old.. simonrvn just checking there now |
| 10:05.22 | Azar | huge work |
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| 10:05.39 | simonrvn | apt-listchanges |
| 10:05.44 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 10:06.21 | Azar | he did it on a nice time record: less than 3 weeks |
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| 10:07.15 | azeem | Azar: other people rebuild the archive as well, though probably for other reasons |
| 10:07.26 | Azar | azeem the entire archive? |
| 10:07.56 | azeem | Azar: more or less, yes |
| 10:08.09 | Azar | not an expert but I just started learning C, C++ or C# do not attract me much |
| 10:09.05 | wireddd | there isn't any way to make a directory softlink to more than one directory is there? |
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| 10:10.42 | stew | wireddd: there is no way to make any kind of line from one anything to more than one anything |
| 10:10.51 | stew | ^line^link |
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| 10:13.13 | Gumby | does anyone here know much about the nvidia video card xorg modules? Ive run the nvidia one-liner given to me by dpkg as I have done in the past and edited the xorg.conf to use nvidia instead of nv but Xorg.0.log is telling me that nvidia module doesnt exist |
| 10:13.30 | joeyjones | is there a way to check bw useage in debian? |
| 10:13.34 | sparr | is there any mode in which diff will find changes within a very long line and only work on the changed part of the line? sorta 'super-diff'? |
| 10:13.50 | sparr | joeyjones: there are many tools. what window manager or desktop environment do you use? |
| 10:13.52 | simonrvn | Gumby: depmod -Aa help? |
| 10:14.06 | joeyjones | sparr: just bash |
| 10:14.17 | Gumby | joeyjones: look into iptraf |
| 10:14.34 | Gumby | simonrvn: the module is already loaded. Its xorg that is complaining |
| 10:14.45 | startxwhite | i've got an rtl8180 wifi pci card and running sarge. as a newbie i have problems understanding the 3rd paragraph of the very techie instructions at http://ace-host.stuart.id.au/russell/files/debian/sarge/rtl8180/ can anyone help? |
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| 10:15.40 | joeyjones | Gumby: when it says it's included in debian, does it mean that it's in apt-get or installed already? |
| 10:15.45 | simonrvn | then ignore me, i'm eating :) |
| 10:15.51 | azeem | joeyjones: the former usually |
| 10:16.03 | sparr | if it says its included in debian base |
| 10:16.04 | azeem | joeyjones: there is no strict set of packages which are "installed already" |
| 10:16.06 | joeyjones | so any idea where i'd find it? |
| 10:16.08 | sparr | that means its probably already installed |
| 10:16.16 | sparr | youll find it in apt-get :) |
| 10:16.26 | joeyjones | oohh |
| 10:17.20 | Gumby | joeyjones: apt-cache search your_search_string in this case, apt-cache search iptraf.. if you get a hit, then install it, apt-get install iptraf |
| 10:17.38 | joeyjones | lol |
| 10:17.40 | joeyjones | i did |
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| 10:18.25 | plbgnr | sparr: look at wdiff |
| 10:18.29 | Gumby | iptraf is great for monitoring individuals bandwidth usage on a network |
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| 10:18.55 | joeyjones | so do i need to config it? |
| 10:19.07 | Gumby | you can, but its not necessary |
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| 10:19.27 | yooser | quit |
| 10:19.31 | yooser | wops |
| 10:19.33 | Gumby | /quit |
| 10:19.35 | joeyjones | will it show the usage of my local system automatically? |
| 10:19.46 | Gumby | joeyjones: yes, it will show by MAC address |
| 10:20.02 | joeyjones | so how do i view it? |
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| 10:20.09 | Gumby | just run it and find out |
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| 10:20.18 | linex | ola |
| 10:20.26 | linex | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!stas ai??? |
| 10:20.31 | linex | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.31 | linex | ç |
| 10:20.33 | linex | dd ©ñ,lñn`+5 |
| 10:20.34 | plbgnr | sparr: 'wdiff - display word differences between text files' |
| 10:20.40 | sparr | thanks |
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| 10:21.06 | simonrvn | now that you've proven you can type non-asci chars, maybe you'd like to join #debian-es |
| 10:21.14 | simonrvn | ascii* |
| 10:21.42 | joeyjones | Gumby: i've only ever started a python script |
| 10:22.02 | simonrvn | oh well, your timing can't always be good |
| 10:22.59 | joeyjones | Gumby: also, where's the file i should execute? |
| 10:23.16 | Gumby | joeyjones: it will be in your $PATH just type iptraf |
| 10:25.14 | joeyjones | Gumby: how do i leave it on all the time? |
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| 10:25.54 | Gumby | joeyjones: well, either open it in another vt or use screen |
| 10:26.13 | Gumby | joeyjones: before you ask what vt is or screen I have but one comment... google is your friend |
| 10:26.20 | joeyjones | so it only reads traffic while it's open, right? |
| 10:26.27 | Gumby | right |
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| 10:27.59 | joeyjones | but will it close if i shutdown ssh? |
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| 10:30.25 | joeyjones | lol |
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| 10:37.55 | joeyjones | can you use vt in bash? |
| 10:38.03 | blacking | hello all |
| 10:38.39 | blacking | i found help/resources how install a small debian on usb drive.. |
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| 10:40.09 | joeyjones | wow |
| 10:40.10 | blacking | this room support debian-ppc platform? |
| 10:40.20 | joeyjones | Gumby: i'm on ssh with bash |
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| 10:40.24 | sep | !debian-ppc |
| 10:40.25 | dpkg | [debian-ppc] /join #debianppc PowerPC port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc. FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt, the yaboot HOWTO can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html |
| 10:40.29 | wols | yes, but there's also #debian-ppc which might be more suited |
| 10:40.34 | joeyjones | blacking: they're asleep |
| 10:40.35 | wols | oops. debianppc |
| 10:40.52 | blacking | thanks |
| 10:40.56 | blacking | ;) |
| 10:40.58 | joeyjones | wols: does vt work on bash? |
| 10:41.05 | wols | joeyjones: screen is in your case ideal and very muhc needed |
| 10:41.11 | row | where can I locate the basedebs.tar for testing? |
| 10:41.17 | wols | I don't even know what "vt" is |
| 10:41.21 | wols | row: on the bootfloppies |
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| 10:41.32 | row | wols k |
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| 10:42.06 | wols | joeyjones: get screen. I currently run my irc client (irssi) over ssh with screen. it's perfect basically |
| 10:42.18 | WebMonkey | hi guys, i lost power to my server earlier and my soft raid (5) has removed a drive for some reason, how do I add it back? it has data on it |
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| 10:42.32 | joeyjones | so i need to apt-get it i assume... |
| 10:42.49 | wols | yes. and stuff under screen won't stop when you disconnect your irc client |
| 10:42.55 | wols | your ssh client of course... |
| 10:43.08 | Django | Hi Peoples, i want to run debian on a machine without keyboard/mouse/monitor just over ssh. Is this possible? I'm a Debian-Newbie. |
| 10:43.13 | wols | it also give you a lot of "virtual terminals" |
| 10:43.27 | sep | Django, most of my debian's are headless |
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| 10:43.42 | wols | Django: yes it is. but it's a LOT easier when you install it with a keyboard/monitor. you can remove it afterwards including the videocard |
| 10:43.42 | sep | Django, as long as your hardware is ok with it, debian also is |
| 10:43.59 | wols | Django: I currently run it that way |
| 10:44.05 | Django | thx, next question |
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| 10:44.09 | wols | it helps to have a serial console in emergencies however |
| 10:44.16 | Zizzencs | hi! i have some problem with sending e-mail. after i send MAIL FROM to the destination mail server, not even a single bit arrives as an answer. my server does a timeout after 5 mins (that's ok). i did try postfix/qmail/telnet on my host, same effects. the other side is a Symantec something (firewall, or mail server, the sysadmin i phoned couldn't deceide...) anybody has tips to resolve the problem? |
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| 10:44.43 | joeyjones | wols: is there an ssh client that supports sctreen well? |
| 10:44.49 | joeyjones | like tabs or something? |
| 10:44.51 | sep | Zizzencs, the from you use is a real domain ? sounds like a dns timeout issue |
| 10:44.57 | wols | Zizzencs: anything in your logs? for postfix at least it puts a lot into syslog and mail.log |
| 10:45.19 | wols | joeyjones: there are no "tabs". all keyboard based ctrl+a plus number |
| 10:45.22 | wols | joeyjones: and it's enough |
| 10:45.30 | Zizzencs | yep, it's a real domain. i user MAIL FROM:<mezei.zoltan@telefor.hu> to be exact, you can check the domain |
| 10:45.33 | wols | either /usr/bin/ssh or putty work fine |
| 10:46.03 | wols | Zizzencs: does both, DNS and reverse DNS work? |
| 10:46.20 | Zizzencs | wols: nothing else in the logs, not even in tcpdump. MAIL FROM is sent, repeated by TCP many times, and after 5 min, timeout. |
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| 10:46.27 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 10:46.34 | Zizzencs | wols: as far as i know, both works. |
| 10:46.37 | TuxMeister | is there any way to free a bit my ram? |
| 10:46.44 | wols | TuxMeister: no |
| 10:46.53 | wols | and it's supposed to always use 100% RAM |
| 10:47.02 | TuxMeister | is it? |
| 10:47.05 | TuxMeister | didn't know that |
| 10:47.17 | Zizzencs | TuxMeister: you can try to reboot :-p but belilve me, linux does an excellent job with memory usage |
| 10:47.44 | sep | TuxMeister, now you know |
| 10:47.44 | wols | any ram that's not used by programs is always your diskcache |
| 10:47.48 | TuxMeister | :p Zizzencs i can imagine, that's why swap was created xD 2gigs over here |
| 10:47.53 | wols | so it always uses near 10=% |
| 10:47.55 | wols | *100% |
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| 10:48.07 | Django | Where must i configure that No keyboard is present (except BIOS)? |
| 10:48.09 | wols | TuxMeister: that's probably too much |
| 10:48.21 | wols | Django: nowhere. will "just work"tm |
| 10:48.36 | sep | Django, only in bios, altho i do use a keyboard+monitor when installing |
| 10:48.49 | joeyjones | wols: so i need to install it or jsut type a string? |
| 10:48.54 | wols | Django: tho you could read the serial console howto which is very helpful |
| 10:49.10 | wols | joeyjones: apt-get install screen; screen |
| 10:49.34 | TuxMeister | wols, too much? in all linux systems i installed, i used to give to swap the double of the ram ammount |
| 10:49.43 | joeyjones | already have |
| 10:49.55 | Django | what paket do i have to install to configure/enable the ssh on the debian machine? I would like to use putty from WinXP to work with the Debian machine. |
| 10:49.59 | TuxMeister | but i think that is a bit the user's choice |
| 10:50.05 | wols | if you'd need 2GB swap, your system would _crawl_. it's not really usable with 2GB swap used |
| 10:50.18 | TuxMeister | Django, apt-get install ssh |
| 10:50.34 | jengelh | What's the `rpm -ql PACKAGE` equivalent on debian? |
| 10:50.49 | wols | Django: apt-get install ssh screen |
| 10:51.00 | jm_ | jnegel;man dpkg |
| 10:51.01 | wols | jengelh: if I knew what -ql does... |
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| 10:51.05 | jm_ | jengelh ^^^^^^ |
| 10:51.10 | jengelh | list files of a package |
| 10:51.20 | wols | but as a WAG: -S -L -l or -s |
| 10:51.29 | joeyjones | wols: what do i type to detach? |
| 10:51.51 | wols | -c |
| 10:51.53 | Django | Thank You wols |
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| 10:52.05 | wols | joeyjones: just close your ssh client |
| 10:52.20 | wols | joeyjones: there is help with ctrl+a ? |
| 10:52.37 | wols | ctral+a d apparently |
| 10:52.40 | joeyjones | i'm on windows |
| 10:52.46 | mynullvoid | how can I run a script which will autostart if died? |
| 10:52.46 | wols | then close putty |
| 10:53.24 | wols | mynullvoid: write a small cronjob that repeatedly checks if the script is running and restarts it fi not |
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| 10:54.58 | mynullvoid | wols: that's what I am doing now, but is there any other tools? I was looking for nohup |
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| 10:55.36 | joeyjones | wols: the help would be from linux, so how will closing it help? |
| 10:55.38 | wols | what has nohup to do with it? |
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| 10:56.13 | Zizzencs | this mailing problem kills me, could you suggest me a channel where i can get more help about SMTP? |
| 10:56.17 | wols | joeyjones: why wouldn't it? you reconnect to your linuxbox and type "screen -r -D" again |
| 10:56.20 | ubushine | hey folks -- debian sarge install. what's the trick to use any x-application and sudo? anything i try to open with sudo i get this error: (leafpad:3066): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
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| 10:56.32 | wols | Zizzencs: if you use postfix: #postfix |
| 10:56.49 | Zizzencs | wols: no answer there yet :-( |
| 10:56.56 | wols | ubushine: export DISPLAY=.... |
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| 10:57.09 | wols | ubushine: but ther's also a problem with the magic cookie then |
| 10:57.28 | joeyjones | wols: you made no sense it all |
| 10:57.32 | joeyjones | *at |
| 10:57.35 | wols | joeyjones: likewise |
| 10:57.39 | ubushine | wols, yes i've seen google references to both, but nothing i've tried works. any tips? |
| 10:57.42 | menko | ubushine: I had this problem, I can help :D |
| 10:57.53 | ubushine | menko, please do. |
| 10:57.54 | menko | ubushine: open /etc/sudoers |
| 10:58.06 | ubushine | menko, yes ... |
| 10:58.07 | wols | ubushine: your immediate problem is export DISPLAY=localhost:0 in your rott session |
| 10:58.22 | joeyjones | typing that did nothing |
| 10:58.31 | ubushine | wols, root? session. |
| 10:58.35 | wols | the xauth stuff I circumcent with "xhost +" but that's not a good solution but it works |
| 10:58.35 | menko | ubushine: #Defaultsenv_reset add the # to that option |
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| 10:58.51 | wols | yes, root session=when you are logged on as root |
| 10:59.12 | menko | wols: I could never get the export cookie and display thing to work with sudo, only with su - (which I didn't even want in the first place) |
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| 10:59.24 | da9000 | hey guys, can someone explain to me the difference between "-t offline" and "-t long" SMART tests available through smartctl. I don't understand the differneces.. |
| 10:59.28 | ubushine | menko, sorry, buth what? add that line to /etc/sudoers? |
| 10:59.48 | menko | ubushine: There should be a line "Defaultsenv_reset" |
| 10:59.56 | menko | add a # to the beginning to disable that |
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| 11:00.10 | ubushine | menko, in /etc/sudoers? not in mine. |
| 11:00.27 | menko | okay, well post it in pastebin then |
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| 11:01.22 | menko | because I had that problem, that option was telling it not to inherit the $DISPLAY AND $XAUTHORITY from the user running t |
| 11:01.41 | ubushine | menko, http://pastebin.ca/47426 |
| 11:01.42 | jm_ | that was mentioned in DSA for sudo |
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| 11:01.51 | menko | jm_: DSA? |
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| 11:02.05 | wols | debian security advisory |
| 11:02.14 | wols | very important stuff |
| 11:02.34 | ubushine | wols, but setting root DISPLAY var. will that do it (effect) sudo? |
| 11:03.06 | wols | no, but it will be hard to set it after sudo switches to root and starts the program you want to run |
| 11:03.27 | wols | so that env var tinkering feels right, follow it though. find out where to set it |
| 11:03.44 | menko | ubushine: because I believe to fix that problem, the environmetn variable display, with your current display should be exported |
| 11:03.46 | xored | how can i make a traceroute under debian ? |
| 11:04.01 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.10 | joeyjones | wols: so how do i make a new screen? |
| 11:04.15 | joeyjones | screen -D? |
| 11:04.18 | xored | yes, i supposed it, but it was not in the standard package, sorry |
| 11:04.20 | ubushine | menko, exported to what? |
| 11:04.34 | wols | joeyjones: look at "ctrl+a ?" |
| 11:04.35 | xored | wols is there any way to test, how fast the "nameserver" resolves the IP ? |
| 11:04.44 | wols | it explains all. new one is ctrl+a c |
| 11:05.03 | wols | xored: dig might have something |
| 11:05.21 | xored | wols what is sig", sorry, never heard about it |
| 11:05.27 | wols | dig |
| 11:05.27 | menko | ubushine: export as an environment variable, try echo $DISPLAY |
| 11:05.27 | xored | dig |
| 11:05.31 | wols | successor of nslookup |
| 11:05.42 | wols | !info bind-tools sarge |
| 11:05.43 | menko | ubushine: and you should see what the dispaly for the current user is |
| 11:05.52 | wols | !info bind-utils sarge |
| 11:06.01 | wols | can't find the packagename right now |
| 11:06.04 | ubushine | menko, DISPLAY for both user and root are localhost:0 |
| 11:06.21 | ubushine | i just exported them to that |
| 11:06.27 | joeyjones | wols: when i use ctrl+a+c i get nothing |
| 11:06.44 | wols | joeyjones: then you aren't under screen |
| 11:06.53 | menko | ubushine: heh, I think your set up is a little different to mine, mine says :0.0 , and if sudo isn't set to reset env defaults, it should inherit that and not give that error |
| 11:06.53 | wols | what does ctrl+a ? get you? |
| 11:06.53 | menko | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.06 | joeyjones | is says no other screens |
| 11:07.13 | wols | what does ctrl+a ? get you? |
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| 11:07.21 | ubushine | let me add to this that gksuexec with work. but that's root. i want to use sudo not real root if that's possible. |
| 11:07.55 | wols | joeyjones: 2nd key is NOT pressed while ctrl is still pressed |
| 11:07.57 | aidan | with postfix, how do I set an auto-reply for a non-unix account? |
| 11:08.00 | ubushine | menko, i've tried setting display to :0.0 too and that didn't fix it either |
| 11:08.03 | joeyjones | ok |
| 11:08.07 | leOn | having trouble getting request-tracker to run with fastcgi on sarge ... keep getting exit status 114 ... any ideas? |
| 11:08.11 | wols | it's "^a ?". NOT "^a ^?" |
| 11:08.16 | joeyjones | well ctrl+a+shift+d got me an exit |
| 11:08.23 | wols | aidan: postfix |
| 11:08.26 | wols | aidan: #postfix |
| 11:08.30 | menko | ubushine: try opening sudo with sudo -s and post what happens when you try a xapp |
| 11:08.53 | blondie | new screen = ^a c |
| 11:08.55 | wols | joeyjones: not a "detach". and: look at the help screen. lots of functions react on more than one key combo |
| 11:09.08 | blondie | (not ^a ^c) |
| 11:09.20 | aidan | ta |
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| 11:09.35 | joeyjones | is there a website with it? |
| 11:09.36 | ubushine | menko, i've tried that before too, no good. same error: (leafpad:3077): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 11:09.41 | joeyjones | that little box is annoting |
| 11:09.49 | menko | ubushine: and if you echo DISPLAY as sudo -s? |
| 11:10.06 | joeyjones | nvm |
| 11:10.08 | joeyjones | found 1 |
| 11:10.09 | ubushine | menko, right now it has an empty line. nothing in it. |
| 11:10.10 | joeyjones | night all |
| 11:10.12 | joeyjones | time for sleep |
| 11:10.39 | menko | ubushine: well you should export DISPLAY=:0.0 ,or whatever it's supposed to be |
| 11:11.03 | menko | ubushine: also try export XAUTHORITY=/home/debian/.Xauthority where debian is the current user running X |
| 11:11.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:11.09 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:11.12 | menko | ubushine: when in sudo -s |
| 11:11.30 | wols | tarzeau: you have an unhealthy fixation |
| 11:12.03 | tarzeau | wols: which one do you think is unhealthy? |
| 11:12.37 | ubushine | menko, tried all of that. still, same error. nothing's changed. i'm baffled. |
| 11:12.45 | wols | all of them |
| 11:13.06 | menko | ubushine: same here, really weird, it SHOULD inherit the variables of the current user |
| 11:13.07 | wols | but I guess you're lucky that dpkg won't get an injunction against your stalking |
| 11:13.10 | ubushine | again -- i can run gksuexec to run any app with real root password, but not sudo password!? |
| 11:13.23 | menko | ubushine: maybe try a nongtk app? |
| 11:13.45 | Ferret | Hi, I need to know what version of flex will be installed on debian stable when 'apt-get install flex-old' is used. Please excuse my lack of knowledge on how to find this out myself. |
| 11:13.46 | ubushine | menko, leafpad is gtk? |
| 11:13.56 | menko | ubushine: also try looking up in sudo man pages for info on env variables |
| 11:14.00 | menko | ubushine: yes |
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| 11:14.12 | ubushine | menko, i tried synaptic, but no good either. |
| 11:14.17 | wols | Ferret: apt-cache show flex-old |
| 11:14.20 | menko | ubushine: um, that's also gtk.. |
| 11:14.26 | menko | hence the Gtk-WARNING * |
| 11:14.32 | ubushine | menko, ha ;) |
| 11:14.52 | ubushine | i don't have too many apps on here. pretty light install. only xfce4 |
| 11:15.50 | menko | ubushine: yep just tested it myself, that error is because it's specifying an invalid display |
| 11:16.04 | Ferret | wols: I don't have a debian stable system on which I can test this. |
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| 11:16.11 | menko | ubushine: which I think it's getting from the $DISPLAY variable |
| 11:16.17 | ubushine | menko, oh. well, how to fix? |
| 11:16.26 | Ferret | wols: I would like either the answer or some kind of online lookup. |
| 11:16.30 | blondie | Ferret: you can use mine dear :P |
| 11:16.31 | wols | Ferret: packages.debian.org |
| 11:16.42 | Ferret | blondie: I didn't realise yours was debian stable. :P |
| 11:16.46 | Ferret | Thanks, wols. |
| 11:16.48 | blondie | kronos is |
| 11:17.00 | menko | ubushine: try doing the same steps, but instead using a "su -" login shell (export DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY) |
| 11:17.14 | menko | ubushine: which debian you running? |
| 11:17.16 | ubushine | menko, will try |
| 11:17.26 | ubushine | menko, sarge (stable) |
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| 11:17.47 | menko | ubushine: well maybe there have been some differences to the way things work, because I run sid |
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| 11:18.53 | ubushine | menko, well i'm royally stumped. if gksexec works but not gksudo. and so far, nothing is working as root (su -) either. |
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| 11:19.29 | menko | ubushine: I think the last thing to do is to check more into sudos env var handling |
| 11:19.51 | menko | ubushine: but if su - is also giving the problem after exporting... hmmm. |
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| 11:19.57 | konfuzed | I will say it here -- if an OpenSSH hole is found that applies to SunSSH, Sun will not be informed. Or maybe that has happened already. - as quoted by theo da radt |
| 11:20.03 | menko | ubushine: paste in pastebin the commands you're running after su - |
| 11:20.08 | ubushine | menko, well, with the changes, exporting DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY no app is working as su - either. |
| 11:20.57 | menko | ubushine: and also of ls .Xauthorit* in your users home dir |
| 11:21.17 | menko | ubushine: because once I Had a similiar problem because there were multiple auths |
| 11:21.19 | ubushine | menko, http://pastebin.ca/47429 |
| 11:22.14 | ubushine | menko, yup there's an .Xauthority in /home/debshine |
| 11:22.24 | menko | well, if still gives you the display problem after that, then I have no idea, I know there was another method, but I'm not sure what the dpkg trigger for it is |
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| 11:22.51 | ubushine | menko, ya. thanks for trying. but i've googled till it hurts and still have the problem. |
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| 11:23.10 | menko | !MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE |
| 11:23.11 | dpkg | well, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 11:23.18 | menko | arr there ya go |
| 11:23.39 | menko | last thing can think, sorry I couldn't be of much more help, gotta go to bed now, bye |
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| 11:24.11 | ubushine | menko, cheers |
| 11:25.17 | menko | do xapps work as just normal su? |
| 11:25.24 | menko | not with the - |
| 11:25.49 | ubushine | menko, nope. i can only run _any_ x app with gksuexec |
| 11:26.12 | ubushine | funny that gksuexec came in the gksudo package i believe |
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| 11:26.58 | menko | weird, maybe something to do with the local host in the DISPLAY.. |
| 11:27.28 | ubushine | ah -- don't know enough about env variables to fix this. |
| 11:27.41 | menko | last suggestion is xhost |
| 11:27.46 | menko | k good night people |
| 11:27.53 | ubushine | cheers |
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| 11:28.34 | ubushine | hey folks, if anyone left awake in here, other than my DISPLAY problem. i know it's the ubuntu way, but does anyone here disable root and just use sudo? |
| 11:28.57 | azeem | many people use sudo |
| 11:29.05 | azeem | they don't necessarily disable root, though |
| 11:29.07 | ubushine | yes, but disable root |
| 11:29.47 | ubushine | pardon my ubuntuness, but the way they set it up made me think that disabling root may be a good idea. |
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| 11:29.59 | azeem | ubushine: so do it on Debian as well |
| 11:30.16 | azeem | it's everybody's choice to do this or not |
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| 11:30.28 | ubushine | azeem, but then i couldn't run any x application. i'm having a problem. or else i would have. |
| 11:30.30 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:30.30 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 11:30.35 | sep | ubushine, i think disabeling root is a bad idea, but to counter the root scans on ssh you can disable root login on ssh, that i think it wise |
| 11:30.48 | sep | but i like to be able to login as root on console |
| 11:30.58 | azeem | ubushine: what does root have to do with X applications? |
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| 11:31.13 | ubushine | sep, yes, i've disabled root in ssh. but just wondering about loging in locally as root (by other users) |
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| 11:31.53 | ubushine | azeem, i can't run any x app with sudo. i have to be su (root) to use an x app with root privileges |
| 11:32.00 | blondie | ubushine: if they don't know the password what's the problem |
| 11:32.10 | ubushine | blondie, ya, funny |
| 11:32.15 | azeem | ubushine: why do you want to run X applications with root priviledges? |
| 11:32.22 | blondie | ubushine: seriously |
| 11:32.38 | blondie | disable remote root, but I don't see the issue with local root logins enabled |
| 11:32.40 | ubushine | azeem, just want to. not a big deal. but i *can't* |
| 11:33.02 | blondie | ubushine: you can open a terminal and type "su -" and then run it. |
| 11:33.09 | blondie | erm |
| 11:33.10 | ubushine | blondie, just an extra precaution. maybe i'm wrong. maybe the ubuntu folks are wrong. |
| 11:33.14 | blondie | maybe just "su" not "su -" |
| 11:33.18 | blondie | ubushine: they are |
| 11:33.32 | blondie | what password does ubuntu use when you run sudo? |
| 11:33.34 | ubushine | blondie, oh god. i've gone through all that. nothing works. |
| 11:33.44 | blondie | ubushine: it does if you do "su" rather than "su -" |
| 11:33.50 | blondie | if not, pebkca |
| 11:33.52 | blondie | *pebkac |
| 11:33.53 | ubushine | it uses the first user created password |
| 11:34.01 | blondie | well that's a stupid idea isn't it |
| 11:34.11 | blondie | root passwords should be seperate |
| 11:34.19 | sep | ubushine, if evils can get to your hardware you'r fscked anyway |
| 11:34.27 | ubushine | but it's just like sudo |
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| 11:34.37 | ubushine | sep, yup. good point |
| 11:34.38 | blondie | I think sudo is silly anyway shrug |
| 11:34.46 | blondie | we have customised su here |
| 11:34.46 | infernix | it surely isnt. |
| 11:35.22 | ubushine | i think sudo is a good idea. but dont' know enough to argue it |
| 11:35.48 | infernix | its brilliant imho. I don't see su capable of limiting the commands that a normal user can run as root. |
| 11:36.16 | blondie | normal users shouldnt be able to run anything as root |
| 11:36.26 | wireddd | exactly |
| 11:36.32 | sep | that's exactly why sudo is so great |
| 11:36.37 | infernix | thats nonsense, depending on the situation. |
| 11:36.39 | blondie | that's what setuid is for |
| 11:37.00 | jerome | normal lusers shouldn't be allowed to post on IRC such nonsense |
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| 11:37.27 | azeem | blondie: eh, setuid much worse than giving some users sudo access |
| 11:37.30 | ubushine | ouch |
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| 11:37.42 | blondie | ok |
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| 11:38.13 | polopolo | Hello all |
| 11:38.30 | polopolo | How can I config debian to read and write ntfs? |
| 11:38.38 | wireddd | I don't like sudo, I prefer to just su to root |
| 11:38.45 | infernix | !ntfs |
| 11:38.46 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 11:39.04 | azeem | wireddd: that's fine, just don't recommend it to others in here, please |
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| 11:39.36 | jerome | wireddd: you could just sudo -s |
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| 11:41.03 | wireddd | or I could just ssh root@127.0.0.1 |
| 11:41.18 | blondie | or... just su - |
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| 11:41.23 | wireddd | exactly |
| 11:41.38 | blondie | the way sudo uses your own password is stupid |
| 11:41.42 | polopolo | How can I install program's? |
| 11:42.00 | blondie | program's what? |
| 11:42.10 | polopolo | On debian |
| 11:42.19 | azeem | polopolo: use synaptic |
| 11:42.28 | sep | blondie, no it's great you can let uses run specified programs as root without giving them the root password. adn if you want to avoid using the users password you can do that too |
| 11:42.36 | polopolo | I should try |
| 11:42.46 | blondie | ah well, I'm sure our setup is better :) |
| 11:42.55 | blondie | polopolo: program's what though? |
| 11:43.46 | azeem | blondie: this is a Debian support channel, and the generally recommended way to give users access to admin applications is via sudo, really |
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| 11:44.15 | sep | blondie, well your setup is not supported in debian :) |
| 11:44.23 | blondie | sep: sure it is, if you install it |
| 11:44.39 | sep | blondie, didnt you have a customized su ? |
| 11:44.51 | azeem | sep, blondie: Please take this to a private discussion |
| 11:45.12 | REyM | is it possible that users can't see in other users maps? |
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| 11:45.52 | azeem | REyM: what kind of maps? |
| 11:45.57 | REyM | the home maps |
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| 11:46.28 | blondie | azeem: why? |
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| 11:47.15 | azeem | blondie: because, as I stated, the recommended way is to use sudo. You can use su as long as you want, just don't recommend it to others in here |
| 11:47.21 | azeem | please |
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| 11:47.44 | azeem | and having a discussion about it is pretty pointless, because people have strong opinions on either |
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| 11:48.16 | mynullvoid | ? |
| 11:49.08 | polopolo | blondie : .tar.gz and .patch |
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| 11:49.51 | blondie | polopolo: what |
| 11:50.12 | wireddd | I would have to agree that discussing it in here is rather pointless. |
| 11:50.46 | azeem | polopolo: please try to restate your problem |
| 11:52.34 | REyM | is it possible that users can't see in other users home maps? |
| 11:52.51 | REyM | nah, I know it's possible, I saw the option during install |
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| 11:53.00 | REyM | but how do I install it afterwards |
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| 11:53.41 | azeem | REyM: home maps? |
| 11:53.47 | azeem | you mean their home directories? |
| 11:53.51 | REyM | yes |
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| 11:54.11 | REyM | sorry, windows is still in my mind :P |
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| 11:54.23 | blondie | if it was windows it would be folders |
| 11:54.29 | blondie | but anyway, chmod 700 the directories |
| 11:54.38 | blondie | and then edit /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 11:56.41 | polopolo | I want install a ntfs driver to debian |
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| 11:57.06 | infernix | try modprobe ntfs |
| 11:57.31 | polopolo | Must I type that on the console? |
| 11:57.44 | infernix | or a terminal. as root |
| 11:57.45 | REyM | thanks blondie |
| 11:57.46 | jaaroo | Hello there. Does anyone know how one can create his own really small bootable linux? I've tried to make initrd based on busybox but I'm still experiencing some troubles and am unable to boot properly. |
| 11:57.50 | sep | polopolo, if you want to share data with a windows dualboot you should use vfat ntfp is experimental and moody |
| 11:58.19 | wireddd | jaaroo, this really isn't the place for that |
| 11:58.26 | polopolo | Must I type that in the console? |
| 11:58.30 | sep | jaaroo, there are several micro distroes out there. all of them oftopic here |
| 11:59.22 | azeem | polopolo: yes |
| 11:59.28 | polopolo | Ok |
| 11:59.35 | azeem | but see what sep wrote |
| 11:59.59 | jaaroo | It is quite off topic but I don't know exactly where to ask so I tried community around my favourite distro :) |
| 12:00.18 | polopolo | I get "bash: vfat: command not found |
| 12:00.18 | polopolo | " |
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| 12:00.33 | azeem | polopolo: eh, I thought you were asking about modprobe ntfs |
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| 12:01.00 | azeem | polopolo: sep means you should use vfat as file system when exchanging data with Windows |
| 12:01.03 | azeem | rather than ntfs |
| 12:01.13 | polopolo | Oh |
| 12:01.33 | polopolo | I've typed it |
| 12:01.44 | row | does anyone know of a current decent howto for uml within debian? |
| 12:01.56 | row | +that works ;) |
| 12:02.01 | azeem | polopolo: do you just want to read data from your Windows partition, or also write to it? |
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| 12:02.18 | polopolo | read and write |
| 12:02.39 | azeem | then you cannot use ntf |
| 12:02.39 | azeem | s |
| 12:02.46 | infernix | jaaroo: i debootstrapped debian on an 1GB USB flash stick, built a kernel with only usb ide support builtin. that worked, not sure if thats small enough for you |
| 12:03.33 | infernix | think it was 200mb but lots of stuff i wanted on there that I use regulary |
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| 12:03.46 | polopolo | Oh |
| 12:03.49 | polopolo | Ok |
| 12:04.02 | polopolo | Its not a very problem |
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| 12:04.12 | polopolo | Only read is good |
| 12:04.27 | azeem | then modprobe ntfs |
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| 12:04.41 | azeem | and read the mount manpage on how to mount partitions read-only |
| 12:04.46 | kreg_work | can someone point me to a doc or msg from dpkg about manaing modules for debian in 2.6 vs 2.4 ? |
| 12:05.04 | azeem | kreg_work: use module-assistant |
| 12:05.07 | azeem | !m-a |
| 12:05.13 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 12:05.26 | jaaroo | infernix: problem is that I have box with only about 32mb of flash where ramdisk and kernel should fit. I can try to exploit disk which is inside bud I really need to boot off flash. And it's based on arm. Debootstrapping will be the next step after I will gain access to the device after successfull boot from flash. |
| 12:05.49 | azeem | jaaroo: take a look at other minimal distros? |
| 12:06.06 | polopolo | Where's manpage? |
| 12:06.07 | azeem | jaaroo: check the debian-on-arm-wlan-routers project? |
| 12:06.39 | azeem | polopolo: man mount |
| 12:07.30 | jaaroo | azem: i tried do craft my own thing based on busybox but I'm not sure what am I doing wrong as I don't get console... |
| 12:07.39 | redguy | where does bootlogd write its log? |
| 12:07.55 | kreg_work | azeem, ok, so if 'im in 2.6, can i safely toss /etc/modules, /etc/modules.conf, /etc/modules.conf.old ? |
| 12:08.09 | infernix | jaaroo: you might want to consider building your ARM minisystem inside an emulator |
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| 12:08.21 | kreg_work | do i just manually modprobe whatever i want, run update-something, and reboot? |
| 12:08.30 | azeem | kreg_work: not /etc/modules |
| 12:08.36 | jaaroo | the kernel boots, mounts root but no other message come out (connected to a serial console) |
| 12:08.41 | azeem | kreg_work: I thought you were talking about building kernel modules |
| 12:08.46 | azeem | dpkg has nothing to do with the configuration |
| 12:08.55 | kreg_work | azeem, no just trying to learn how the heck to manage them |
| 12:09.14 | jaaroo | infernix: there is some emulator of that kind? |
| 12:09.16 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.18 | jaaroo | infernix: XScale |
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| 12:09.29 | azeem | /etc/modules is still used to add modules which should get additionally loaded on boot |
| 12:09.31 | kreg_work | what is /etc/modules for then? |
| 12:09.31 | is_null | hello, i don't understand why alsa isn't working when it's compiled inside the kernel, the module doesn't even exists |
| 12:09.35 | infernix | jaroo: Qemu? |
| 12:09.35 | kreg_work | ok |
| 12:09.48 | kreg_work | do i now ignore modules.conf and modules.conf.old? |
| 12:10.00 | kreg_work | do i still use update-modules or modconf? |
| 12:10.02 | aidan | How do I enable connections to my box, so users can grab their mail via thunderbird or whatever |
| 12:10.02 | jaaroo | ifernix: qemu can emulate other architectures? |
| 12:10.11 | infernix | yea it says so |
| 12:10.16 | azeem | kreg_work: I guess |
| 12:10.23 | azeem | never really used update-modules or modconf |
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| 12:10.29 | infernix | jaaroo: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/status.html |
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| 12:11.01 | jaaroo | kernel tells me this: |
| 12:11.02 | jaaroo | md: ... autorun DONE. |
| 12:11.03 | jaaroo | RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0 |
| 12:11.03 | jaaroo | RAMDISK: Loading 4096KiB [1 disk] into ram disk... done. |
| 12:11.03 | jaaroo | VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). |
| 12:11.03 | jaaroo | Freeing init memory: 76K |
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| 12:11.10 | infernix | sigh |
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| 12:11.20 | infernix | never paste in here |
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| 12:11.30 | tralala | dpkg: tell jaaroo -about paste |
| 12:11.56 | st0ner | "make modules_install" from the linux kernel source does only use the /lib/modules dir, right? |
| 12:12.12 | jaaroo | tralala: I didn't know that four or five lines are such a deadly thing :) |
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| 12:12.32 | is_null | anybody knows where there is a docuementation concerning installing gentoo and debian on the same system ? (same / ...) |
| 12:12.38 | infernix | jaaroo: imagine 3 people doing that at once. given the amount of people in here, it's a grave sin really :) |
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| 12:12.48 | tralala | jaaroo: well, you do now |
| 12:12.52 | flosch | hi |
| 12:13.22 | jaaroo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2253 |
| 12:13.30 | st0ner | is_null: ...same / ?! how should that work?? |
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| 12:14.00 | is_null | st0ner, i wish i knew ! i saw that on debian mailing list |
| 12:14.06 | azeem | is_null: install them in a chroot at least |
| 12:14.07 | tralala | is_null: you cannot even install debian and debian on the same rootfs |
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| 12:14.13 | infernix | jaroo: so init isn't started/working it seems. anyway, try inside qemu, easier to fiddle around with stuff |
| 12:14.31 | is_null | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2004/06/msg00294.html |
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| 12:15.27 | azeem | is_null: he's talking about a chroot setup |
| 12:15.36 | azeem | ...or something |
| 12:15.44 | infernix | the only thing you can cross-share between distros is your home directories |
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| 12:16.03 | infernix | pretty much everything else is bound to give you nightmares |
| 12:16.33 | callan_ | Hi, when I start X with startx I get the warning R128(0): Failed to set up write-combining range, it's just a warning but I wanted to know if I could fix it up. |
| 12:16.38 | is_null | ok, thank you for the tip, i have issues with lipcap, do you think you can help me ? |
| 12:16.55 | jaaroo | infernix: strange: qemu -M ? tells me: pc, isapc architectures are possible. No others. Maybe some add-on package is required. |
| 12:16.57 | azeem | is_null: paste the errors or so to a pastebin |
| 12:16.58 | azeem | !paster |
| 12:16.58 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 12:17.46 | infernix | jaaroo: ARM support since 0.8.0, maybe your version. anyway this is not my own info, it's what i read from others, so you're on your own. maybe stop by at linux from scratch site as well. |
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| 12:19.02 | submarineshaun | !alsa one-liner |
| 12:19.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 12:20.09 | submarineshaun | hi; i'm still having trouble with alsa; i have a base debain sarge 31r1 install, done the alsa oneliner, checked my username is in audio group |
| 12:20.24 | submarineshaun | someone yesterday suggested checking oss modules are unloaded |
| 12:20.32 | submarineshaun | any ideas on how i can check this? |
| 12:20.57 | jaaroo | internix: it seems so, I have 0.8.0 but no arm machine seems to be possible |
| 12:21.07 | is_null | azeem, http://debian.pastebin.com/628588 |
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| 12:21.43 | ni1s | Hello |
| 12:22.10 | azeem | is_null: no idea, try to google for the error |
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| 12:22.34 | ni1s | Has anyone here every played with this: http://scp.indiegames.us/ |
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| 12:22.43 | jbrimble | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.46 | is_null | spent yesterday afternoon googling, i found out this hardware is not supported, but i can use it on some other distros |
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| 12:23.02 | tralala | submarineshaun: with lsmod. Check if there are any modules that look like your soundcard's chipset but don't start with snd |
| 12:23.02 | submarineshaun | no ideas on the alsa case? |
| 12:23.06 | azeem | is_null: then check which version of libpcap those distros use |
| 12:23.14 | submarineshaun | tralala: ty, will do |
| 12:23.55 | ni1s | I'm working on figuring out a problem, specifically this: http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Fs2_open_on_Linux#glBindBufferARB_feature_missing |
| 12:23.56 | is_null | i did, it uses 0.8.1, i use 0.9.4 |
| 12:24.14 | is_null | it's some tweaking i can figure out ... |
| 12:24.28 | submarineshaun | tralala: indeed there is! |
| 12:24.29 | ni1s | And I'm hoping someone could look at it, maybe give me some pointers |
| 12:24.35 | submarineshaun | any ideas on how i can unload it? |
| 12:24.45 | tralala | submarineshaun: modprobe -r |
| 12:24.51 | xored | is there any stable VPN-Server for sarge ? |
| 12:25.00 | WebMonkey | hi |
| 12:25.06 | tralala | submarineshaun: which kernel version do you have? |
| 12:25.25 | submarineshaun | im running 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 12:25.26 | WebMonkey | im screwed |
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| 12:25.37 | submarineshaun | my laptop in incompatable with the 2.4 series |
| 12:26.13 | tralala | submarineshaun: ok, check the hotplug docs to see how to blacklist a module so it will not be autoloaded on boot |
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| 12:26.39 | submarineshaun | will do; thank you |
| 12:26.57 | submarineshaun | does that modprobe command need executing; if so, what package is it in? |
| 12:27.11 | weissi | submarineshaun, modutils |
| 12:27.34 | submarineshaun | ty |
| 12:27.40 | tralala | submarineshaun: it needs executing (as root). You *do* have the package installed already. |
| 12:27.45 | jm_ | it's in module-init-tools for 2.6 kernels |
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| 12:28.22 | submarineshaun | oh right, i was trying to run it as a normal user |
| 12:28.25 | submarineshaun | my bad |
| 12:28.26 | tralala | submarineshaun: feel free to read the man page for details |
| 12:28.51 | submarineshaun | ah, got it |
| 12:29.07 | submarineshaun | so use that to remove the mod, then blacklist it from hotplug? |
| 12:29.15 | submarineshaun | excelent, thank you |
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| 12:31.07 | submarineshaun | ahh, a problem |
| 12:31.10 | th0ger | Hi, 'apt-get install libqt3-dev' says 'unmet dependencies' What can i do? (on testing) |
| 12:31.18 | submarineshaun | it seems that i need that module for IDE.. |
| 12:31.35 | submarineshaun | anything I can do to stop it interfering with alsa? |
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| 12:33.02 | jm_ | submarineshaun: ehh? |
| 12:33.30 | tralala | submarineshaun: you're looking at the wrong module |
| 12:33.52 | submarineshaun | well, my sound module is snd_atiixp |
| 12:34.04 | submarineshaun | lsmod shows atiixp loaded |
| 12:34.17 | submarineshaun | but linux for laptops shows that atiixp is needed for ide |
| 12:34.31 | jm_ | so it's not the module you want to remove |
| 12:35.41 | azeem | submarineshaun: atiixp and snd_atiixp are not the same module |
| 12:36.11 | submarineshaun | oh right |
| 12:36.38 | tralala | submarineshaun: the path you need to follow is: locate the oss module, remove it, blacklist it (if you want), reload the alsa module, see if it works |
| 12:36.51 | jm_ | if that's the problem in first place |
| 12:36.55 | tralala | btw how do you know that alsa is not working? |
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| 12:37.09 | tralala | do you have alsamixer? Can you start it? |
| 12:37.11 | xored | Hello, iam trying to set up openvpn for serveral clients. No "extra" security is needed" right now, Plaintextpassword are enaugh for now. Can somebody help me with an howto ? |
| 12:37.29 | submarineshaun | 2 things: 1 no sound, and xmms gives an error, 2) alsamixer gives an error |
| 12:38.10 | submarineshaun | error is: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 12:39.05 | submarineshaun | google on the error seems to suggest 2 things: one, upgrade my kernel, which i would rather avoid, two, unload oss modules, but i dont have any of the modules pointed out and I cant seem to see any myself |
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| 12:39.44 | jm_ | check /proc/asound/devices |
| 12:40.43 | submarineshaun | # cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 12:40.51 | submarineshaun | 33: : timer |
| 12:41.14 | submarineshaun | excuse the niavity of the next question, but, is that good? |
| 12:41.28 | jm_ | no, it should list playback/capture/ctl/timer |
| 12:41.49 | jm_ | and possibly midi |
| 12:42.05 | submarineshaun | right, so it looks like i missed something important |
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| 12:42.54 | jm_ | well it might be your hardware is not recognized properly by the ALSA module in question, this is where new kernel version comes into play |
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| 12:43.32 | SlackRat | anyone running sarge on vmplayer? |
| 12:43.35 | submarineshaun | ok, so upgrading the kernel is something i need to do.. |
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| 12:43.58 | tralala | submarineshaun: googling for atiixp gives some ubuntu forum hits that suggest using the kernel option "noapic" |
| 12:44.12 | aidan | port 110 is POP right? how do I open that port so I can get my mail? |
| 12:44.34 | tralala | and if you go for upgradeing - backports.org has 2.6.15 |
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| 12:44.47 | ABaer | Hi, can anyone help me with cryptsetup-luks. After an apt-get upgrade there is cryptsetup-luks and cryptsetup installed. My now installed cryptsetup doesn't know the cryptsetup-luks parameter.. What can i do to install only cryptsetup-luks? |
| 12:44.59 | petemc | aidan: whats keeping it closed? |
| 12:45.02 | Stephen-wx | Greetings, how do I enable framebuffer? |
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| 12:46.00 | aidan | petemc: I don't know, when trying to telnet the port I get Connect Failed |
| 12:46.10 | SlackRat | is there some limitation to vmplayer that stops me from getting xserver running on sarge installed from the minimal vmx image? |
| 12:46.13 | submarineshaun | tralala: ty, ill try an upgrade |
| 12:46.17 | petemc | aidan: is there a pop3 daemon running? are you behind a firewall? |
| 12:46.18 | submarineshaun | ive found that post |
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| 12:46.51 | aidan | petemc: oh man I'm embarassed now |
| 12:47.13 | Stephen | How do I enable framebuffer once debians already installed? |
| 12:47.31 | aidan | I haven't installed a popd, I just assumed it was there |
| 12:48.00 | petemc | aidan: dovecot is decent |
| 12:48.03 | aidan | what is a good alternative to pop? do I need an alternative to pop? is it more unsecure than other methods? |
| 12:48.05 | Zizzencs | well, if interested, the mailing problem is solved now |
| 12:48.15 | petemc | aidan: dovecot does imap too |
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| 12:48.46 | Zizzencs | never buy a Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5701 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 15) card. ever. |
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| 12:49.02 | aidan | petemc: does it work well with postfix? |
| 12:49.07 | petemc | aidan: sure |
| 12:49.44 | aidan | okay, away we go |
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| 12:49.51 | xstation | hello |
| 12:50.37 | Stephen | How do I enable framebuffer once debians already installed? |
| 12:50.42 | xstation | is there a rescue image on the offical debian sarge 3.1r1 dvd disk |
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| 12:51.10 | petemc | xstation: you can boot off the cd and use alt - f2 to get a shell |
| 12:51.13 | icer | hi |
| 12:51.21 | SlackRat | anyone running sarge via vmware? |
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| 12:52.13 | xstation | petemc: hanks need to use fdisk |
| 12:52.24 | xstation | thanks |
| 12:53.25 | billsex | Anyone konw how to install NEC socks5 on Debian?Thx.. |
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| 12:54.01 | icer | can i partition my running hda? |
| 12:54.27 | submarineshaun | hmm, sorry to distrub you all again, but i cant seem to find any information on how to update from backports when the linux box in question isnt connected to the net; it seems the docs arnt finished |
| 12:54.54 | CoolCubix | has someone ever used minicom to communicate with ttyS0 ? |
| 12:54.57 | azeem | submarineshaun: you need network access to update via http or ftp |
| 12:55.06 | azeem | CoolCubix: sure, lots of folks did that in the 90s |
| 12:55.50 | \\\127-0-0-1\\\\ | har |
| 12:55.50 | CoolCubix | azeem> i want to get the output of uClinux, running on my palm... |
| 12:56.00 | submarineshaun | anychance i might be able to download, burn to cd and update that way? |
| 12:56.01 | \\\127-0-0-1\\\\ | How do I enable framebuffer once debians already installed? |
| 12:56.14 | CoolCubix | and at the step "Setup a direct serial connection at 9600baud in a terminal program" |
| 12:56.16 | CoolCubix | i'm lost ! |
| 12:56.32 | jm_ | submarineshaun: you need to download all dependencies and install by hand ... |
| 12:57.15 | HowToEnableFrame | How do I enable framebuffer once debians already installed? |
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| 12:57.32 | submarineshaun | jm_: thats what i thought, ive not done this before so excuse me if i start asking stupid questions half way through |
| 12:57.47 | icer | HowToEnableFrame: have you compioled framebuffer support in your kernel? |
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| 12:58.18 | PlaseHelpME | icer, I dunno |
| 12:58.20 | twb | I say I say I say. |
| 12:58.37 | twb | Anybody here know if "aptitude install package+M" is a recent addition? |
| 12:58.41 | PlaseHelpME | can't remember |
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| 12:58.50 | twb | It isn't working on one of my arcane boxes. |
| 12:58.58 | icer | PlaseHelpME: and did you edit your x.conf? |
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| 12:59.23 | twb | Specifically, aptitude version 0.2.15.9 |
| 12:59.35 | icer | PlaseHelpME: in your kernel configuration you must to enable the framebuffer support |
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| 13:00.24 | SlackRat | when i used a minimal install image for vmplayer, debian installed smoothly via internet on my xp box at work...but the laptop linux box freezes up when i try to get x running for the same sarge install image ..... |
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| 13:00.51 | SlackRat | any ideas why? :S |
| 13:01.14 | Talon | icer, |
| 13:01.23 | Talon | icer, so how do I do it? |
| 13:02.24 | icer | Talo": "make menuconfig" |
| 13:02.27 | twb | Talon: google for "debian kernel build howto" |
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| 13:03.45 | SlackRat | i love signoff PARAGRAPHS |
| 13:03.47 | petemc | icer: do you know if the debian kernels have fb support? |
| 13:04.01 | jm_ | that's easy to find out |
| 13:04.04 | petemc | yes |
| 13:04.08 | submarineshaun | how do i find out the dependancies of a package on backports? |
| 13:04.33 | twb | petemc: they did last time I checked. |
| 13:04.36 | icer | ived partition my hdd with the debain installer from 3.1r1, now i want to partition the rest of the hdd with fdisk... but it says the are no free space |
| 13:04.39 | twb | petemc: grep /boot/*config |
| 13:04.47 | jm_ | submarineshaun: apt-cache show pkgname |
| 13:05.02 | petemc | twb: i dont need to know, i was hinting to icer his advice perhaps wasnt the best - but thanks |
| 13:05.06 | submarineshaun | jm_: unfornatly, i dont have internet access on my linux box |
| 13:05.08 | icer | petemc: the debain kernel ..i dont know but the vanilla kernel i it does |
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| 13:05.29 | jm_ | submarineshaun: then download Packages file from them |
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| 13:06.20 | ABaer | I get the error "No setup backend available" with cryptsetup-luks. What could this be, what is missing? |
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| 13:06.34 | weggpod | hello |
| 13:06.42 | weggpod | sorry for my bad english i'm french |
| 13:06.57 | weggpod | i have this error compiling debian kernel |
| 13:06.59 | twb | weggpod: so far, you're doing well. |
| 13:07.02 | weggpod | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.15 not in control info |
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| 13:07.47 | submarineshaun | jm_: done. what file will i find the dependany list? |
| 13:07.58 | jm_ | submarineshaun: in Packages.gz |
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| 13:08.05 | prudhvi | Hi, when even i start any deamon i get Fake Start-stop deamon doing nothing ? why does this come ? |
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| 13:08.10 | xstation | hi |
| 13:08.25 | submarineshaun | jm_; ok |
| 13:08.49 | xstation | got a sementation problem on install of sarge any one know how to use fdisk |
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| 13:10.15 | d4t2ilL4 | what is the shell test if there's already a process of svnserve |
| 13:11.12 | prudhvi | G0SUB: i got a strange Problem. i installed Debian Sarge and then, when ever i start any deamon i get " Fake Start-stop demon called doing nothing" ? what is that? |
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| 13:11.36 | xstation | look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4330 please |
| 13:11.48 | weggpod | someone can help me |
| 13:12.12 | jm_ | prudhvi: dpkg -S start-stop-daemon; md5sum /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
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| 13:13.38 | stoned | KDE has the option to let you have 20 Virtual Desktops. Why? Why would anyone need 20 virtual desktops? |
| 13:13.43 | xstation | null: bolton rules ok |
| 13:13.49 | blondie | stoned: troll |
| 13:13.51 | sep | stoned, i use 16. all are full |
| 13:13.55 | tarzeau | why when i use dh_link it creates the link for arch indep and dep binary packages? |
| 13:13.58 | vrt | weggpod, arch ? |
| 13:14.16 | treyh0 | i'd use more than 4 if konqueror didn't crash so much |
| 13:14.17 | weggpod | i686 |
| 13:14.23 | weggpod | or i386 |
| 13:15.08 | stoned | blondie, you like labeling anyone with a slightly offtopic rhetoric as trolling? You know people don't like being called a troll, especially when they've been in here for a few years. mind yourself |
| 13:15.09 | weggpod | vrt, any idea ? |
| 13:15.11 | vrt | i had this problem when a wanted a compile for powerpc.. |
| 13:15.23 | blondie | stoned: well don't ask stupid questions |
| 13:15.24 | vrt | a make clean and another make sovled the problem though in my case.. |
| 13:15.35 | weggpod | ok i try it |
| 13:15.40 | treyh0 | no stupid questions just stupid answers ;) |
| 13:15.41 | weggpod | thx vrt |
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| 13:16.21 | stoned | blondie, questions are not stupid, answers are, and you have the option of always ignoring it, confrontations bring about pointless and offtopic arguments, your unproductive comment was uncalled for and unneccessery. mind yourself please |
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| 13:16.42 | blondie | stoned: questions are stupid thanks |
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| 13:16.49 | stoned | sep, how do you switch between those many virtual desktops? |
| 13:17.04 | blondie | stoned: if you don't want "offtopic arguments", don't ask offtopic and stupid questions |
| 13:17.23 | infernix | stoned: in Ion I could find use for 20+ workspaces. |
| 13:17.25 | stoned | sep, I am trying out the regular LEFT click anywhere on desktop to bring up the menu where I an switch between desktops |
| 13:17.38 | stoned | blondie, stfu already |
| 13:17.45 | treyh0 | stoned: middle click i think |
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| 13:17.46 | blondie | stoned: see what you've started? |
| 13:17.50 | bwlang | i'm trying to get vmware server running on debian etch amd64... it doesn't find the libX11.so.6 even though I've instlled the lib32 package... anybody know how to work around this? |
| 13:17.52 | stoned | infernix, how did you switch between those |
| 13:17.56 | infernix | stoned: I'd use keybinds on alphabet for example, and show server status for servers on alphabet. 26 screens. |
| 13:18.09 | infernix | stoned: however I want. alt-shift-control-[A-Z] |
| 13:18.12 | stoned | blondie, either your're a tard or you can't understand the fact that this is not offtopic, so once again, stfu |
| 13:18.16 | moshii | blondie: maybe you should just ignore it and get on with your life? |
| 13:18.28 | stoned | infernix, what did you find easier to use, keyboard shorties or mouse? |
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| 13:18.36 | infernix | stoned: or alt-f[1-10] + shift-alt+f[1-10] |
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| 13:18.45 | infernix | stoned: keyboard. its why I use ion3. |
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| 13:18.54 | stoned | infernix, thats kinda not hard to do, I don't know what ion is |
| 13:18.55 | azeem | blondie: thanks :) |
| 13:19.17 | submarineshaun | can you use apt-get or simerlar on the command line to discover what version of a package you have installed? |
| 13:19.21 | infernix | stoned: ion3 is a windows manager. google it |
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| 13:19.38 | treyh0 | submarineshaun: dpkg -l |
| 13:19.41 | moshii | submarineshaun: dpkg -l |
| 13:19.43 | submarineshaun | ty |
| 13:21.33 | stoned | blondie, btw, if i wanted to troll, i'd have went to #kde and said that |
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| 13:24.16 | submarineshaun | does any know where backports keeps its kernel-source-* packages, for manual download? |
| 13:24.32 | submarineshaun | i cant find them in binary-i386 or source/ |
| 13:24.55 | treyh0 | is it called linux-source-* |
| 13:24.55 | treyh0 | ? |
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| 13:25.15 | jm_ | submarineshaun: why would you want sources from backports? |
| 13:25.16 | fluxdude | does anybody know how I can view the current transfer rates of scsi disks in my linux boxes? |
| 13:25.20 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 13:25.29 | elephantMan | How can i see cron logs ? |
| 13:25.30 | jm_ | fluxdude: yes |
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| 13:25.43 | elephantMan | Cause i am placing command inside /etc/cron.daily but they don't execute |
| 13:25.54 | submarineshaun | jm_: im manually updating the kernel to get alsa working; im folowing the imnstructions at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#TREE-KERNEL-PKG |
| 13:26.06 | elephantMan | And i am shure those scripts/command works |
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| 13:26.13 | jm_ | elephantMan: you need to name it properly |
| 13:26.16 | elephantMan | When i fired them by hansd |
| 13:26.33 | submarineshaun | but i need to manualy download, since the linux box isnt connected to the net |
| 13:26.41 | elephantMan | jm_, you mean naming the script under cron.daily ? |
| 13:27.13 | jm_ | elephantMan: yes |
| 13:27.53 | jm_ | submarineshaun: they have already built kernels, use those instead |
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| 13:28.37 | submarineshaun | jm_: very well, what are thoose called? |
| 13:28.41 | jm_ | submarineshaun: go here and click,click,click http://backports.org/debian/pool/ |
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| 13:28.55 | aidehua | When I run screen and press backspace, a '~' is printed. What things do I need to know about to fix this? TERM? termcaps? terminfo? stty? xterm settings? |
| 13:28.56 | jm_ | submarineshaun: search for linux-image or kernel-image and you'll find them all |
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| 13:29.09 | submarineshaun | ok |
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| 13:29.10 | submarineshaun | ty |
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| 13:30.15 | submarineshaun | i need to download the .debs, right> |
| 13:30.15 | DocTomoe | Hi ... I am trying to dump a mysqldatabase on a regular basis with cron, whereas every file has to get the the current timestamp in the form YYYYMMDD-HHSS ... how can I achieve this? |
| 13:30.28 | titicaca | why does apt-get upgrade remove packages? |
| 13:30.43 | vrt | fluxdude, check out hdparm |
| 13:31.20 | fluxdude | jm_: just saying yes didn't really help, please tell me how then... |
| 13:31.29 | DocTomoe | something like "0 * * * * root mysqldump -u USERNAME -pPASS database_name > YYYYMMDD-HHMMSS.sql", only with the curent timestamp |
| 13:32.28 | fluxdude | vrt: thanks, I thought that it was only for ide disks, of course tuning is, but I can get transfer rates... |
| 13:33.23 | Eclipser | mmh, anyone know of any portable (linux, *BSD, mac, windows) audio CD library (digitally extract the stuff) |
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| 13:33.26 | Eclipser | ? |
| 13:33.43 | il_padrino | hello i'm search php-mssql-5.0.4-10.1 for debian :S |
| 13:34.12 | petemc | DocTomoe: `date +%Y%m%d%H%M` - man date |
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| 13:34.41 | vrt | fluxdude, -tT /dev/sdx should get you wat you want. |
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| 13:36.12 | il_padrino | buy don't appear any one ' |
| 13:36.13 | il_padrino | ? |
| 13:36.15 | il_padrino | sorry :p |
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| 13:36.22 | il_padrino | anyone can help me :P |
| 13:36.25 | theD3viL | anyone knows, howto reboot with wdm, without logining ? |
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| 13:37.45 | is_null | hello, anybody could help me with FATAL: arptype 0 not supported by libpcap - falling back to cooked socket please ? (latest libpcap installed -0.9.4-, wifi acx111 card installed successfully) |
| 13:38.29 | jm_ | fluxdude: /proc/diskstats |
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| 13:43.49 | submarineshaun | To use the packages, finally, add: |
| 13:43.49 | submarineshaun | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.57 | submarineshaun | thats in the APT_HOWTo |
| 13:44.03 | submarineshaun | add to what exactly? |
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| 13:44.22 | submarineshaun | im reading up the section on "how to use APT locally" |
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| 13:44.39 | jes-o-mat | submarineshaun: to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:44.46 | submarineshaun | right, thanks |
| 13:45.32 | xored | which gid /uid shoudl a nobody user/group have ? above 2000 ? |
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| 13:46.15 | Azoff | hello |
| 13:46.15 | shib | i've set my resolution too high for my monitor when i was configuring X... i allready tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it still won't work (on my screen it says "Out of range") |
| 13:46.36 | Azoff | what package does the installer want to install to get gcc, g++ and all those tools? |
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| 13:51.03 | Myon | Azoff: build-essential maybe? |
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| 13:51.38 | Myon | xored: doesn't really matter |
| 13:51.40 | narma_ | hello, which package provides apt-setup command ? I can't find it ? |
| 13:51.56 | Azoff | Myon: hmm, maybe.. |
| 13:52.17 | Myon | narma_: base-config (Sarge) |
| 13:52.18 | Azoff | hmm, don't think it's thatone |
| 13:52.46 | Azoff | I do not have it on my server.. |
| 13:53.09 | Myon | Azoff: some packages like fvwm depend on cpp |
| 13:53.47 | Myon | though I didn't really get your question |
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| 13:55.25 | weggpod | vrt, same pb dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.15 not in control info |
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| 13:56.03 | yage | is there any tool out there useful to backup switch configuration via snmp/tftp? |
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| 13:57.54 | Dangermouse | If I use the net install image, will I be able to edit my MAC address at some stage during the installer? |
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| 13:59.48 | billsex | Anyone konw How to build socks5 for Debian? |
| 13:59.49 | d4t2ilL4 | how can i give permission to another group to only read that folder/file ? |
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| 13:59.52 | kryl | hi |
| 14:00.02 | d4t2ilL4 | the ownder of the file is a different group |
| 14:01.40 | Azoff | Myon: when you install sarge from cd, at the end of the installation (after reboot and such), the installer pulls in a ton of apps, including gcc and such |
| 14:01.40 | kryl | http://pastebin.com/628763 < anyone can help with that ? Is it normal to obtain a file reshootme in this case ? (procmail help needed) |
| 14:01.40 | Azoff | Myon: I want to do the same, but after installation |
| 14:01.41 | azeem | Azoff: run aptitude or dselect then, they install all standard-priority packages by default I think |
| 14:01.41 | Azoff | I'll have a try |
| 14:01.42 | billsex | Anyone konw How to build socks5 for Debian? |
| 14:01.42 | azeem | Azoff: running tasksel and not selecting any tasks will do the same I think |
| 14:01.42 | Azoff | "No packages are scheduled to be installed, removed, or upgraded." |
| 14:01.44 | azeem | billsex: use tsocks, maybe? |
| 14:01.48 | azeem | 23 |
| 14:01.49 | azeem | blah |
| 14:01.50 | Azoff | azeem: no, it didn't install anything |
| 14:01.59 | azeem | then maybe they are installed already? |
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| 14:02.07 | Myon | Azoff: tasksel |
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| 14:02.53 | Myon | kryl: no query please |
| 14:03.12 | Azoff | Myon: just after you quite tasksel the installer starts fetching a ton of debs (but still nothing checked in tasksel) |
| 14:03.17 | kryl | sorry I query you from procmail :p |
| 14:04.59 | Stevie-O | what's a good way of making my cronjob script send me an email? |
| 14:05.14 | Myon | Azoff: hmm, no idea then |
| 14:05.27 | Myon | maybe these are Recommends: of standard packages |
| 14:05.30 | Azoff | anyway, I hope I got everything I'll need |
| 14:05.33 | Myon | or something like that |
| 14:05.45 | weggpod | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.56 | weggpod | it's my command linux-source-2.6.15 |
| 14:06.05 | Myon | some day I'm gonna create a myon-base package that depends on less and other essential stuff |
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| 14:12.21 | submarineshaun | ive downloaded make_3.80+3.81.rc1-0bpo1_i386.deb from backports, burnt it to cd, useds the instructions to use apt-get locally in the howto |
| 14:12.30 | submarineshaun | but when i do "apt-get install make" |
| 14:13.05 | submarineshaun | i get "make is already the newest version" |
| 14:13.17 | is_null | so you have the current stable version |
| 14:13.20 | submarineshaun | ive installed linux-sources this way fine just a secod a go |
| 14:13.35 | submarineshaun | but i need >3.10 |
| 14:13.38 | submarineshaun | i have 3.9 |
| 14:13.38 | is_null | are you about to begin recompiling the kernel ? |
| 14:13.42 | submarineshaun | yes |
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| 14:14.17 | is_null | what error asks you for make > 3.10 ? |
| 14:14.47 | submarineshaun | apt-get install kernel-package |
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| 14:15.19 | submarineshaun | Depends: make (>= 3.80-10) but 3.80-9 is to be installed |
| 14:15.22 | azeem | submarineshaun: you need 3.10 of what? |
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| 14:15.36 | submarineshaun | azeem: 3.80-10, make |
| 14:15.40 | azeem | submarineshaun: then the make you downloaded is not in the apt database |
| 14:15.52 | azeem | you can try to install it manually with dpkg -i |
| 14:16.07 | submarineshaun | ill do that then, tu |
| 14:16.08 | submarineshaun | ty* |
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| 14:16.58 | submarineshaun | do i need to remove the older version of make first? |
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| 14:17.06 | submarineshaun | or is it safe to install over the top |
| 14:17.26 | is_null | it's sage |
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| 14:18.08 | submarineshaun | done! |
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| 14:18.11 | submarineshaun | ty |
| 14:18.15 | heny | hello :) |
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| 14:18.38 | heny | i want to use debian on my lan server for gameserver etc. - i never installed a linux distribution, is there a first help? |
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| 14:19.35 | tarzeau | heny: download iso, burn, install |
| 14:19.52 | tarzeau | heny: which games? |
| 14:19.55 | heny | tarzeau, yes but where do i look what i have to care about etc? |
| 14:19.59 | heny | half-life only |
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| 14:20.22 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 14:20.22 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
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| 14:20.27 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 14:20.27 | dpkg | i heard harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:20.35 | infernix | heny: the debian documents are not a bad place to start at |
| 14:20.48 | heny | http://www.debian.de/releases/stable/i386/ <- this german help seems also suitable |
| 14:21.01 | tarzeau | heny: try to use debian.org |
| 14:21.04 | heny | why? |
| 14:21.06 | tarzeau | heny: it is always more accurate |
| 14:21.24 | tarzeau | heny: all other stuff is not debian.org but 3rd party, and can be outdated |
| 14:21.30 | infernix | heny: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en |
| 14:21.35 | tarzeau | i fell on my nose with ati today. thanks infernix |
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| 14:22.19 | infernix | setting up ati is a hell you dont want to be in for a long time. glad to help:) |
| 14:22.25 | heny | tarzeau: the german help is also version 3.1 |
| 14:22.34 | tarzeau | heny: but debian.org also has german |
| 14:22.41 | heny | ok |
| 14:22.47 | tarzeau | heny: besides some german translations are horrible |
| 14:22.52 | heny | should i use stable or testing? |
| 14:22.56 | tarzeau | heny: stable |
| 14:22.57 | infernix | heny: replace the .en with .de at the end of the url. |
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| 14:24.10 | Psyp | hi all |
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| 14:24.33 | Psyp | can someone tell me if there is a way to know if my cdrom drive is open or closed ? |
| 14:24.57 | ThetaWave | Psyp: you could look at it :-) |
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| 14:25.05 | Psyp | hehe :p |
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| 14:25.21 | Psyp | that was my solutio,n !!!! |
| 14:25.35 | Psyp | thansk a lot ThetaWave !!! |
| 14:25.40 | Psyp | lol |
| 14:25.42 | ThetaWave | problem solved then ;-) |
| 14:26.03 | Psyp | my problem is when i mount my cdrom when it's open, it close it |
| 14:26.18 | Psyp | but i don't want that and didn't found anything with mount |
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| 14:26.36 | Psyp | so i'm searching how to know the state before mounting ... |
| 14:26.46 | mrspock1980 | Hello People, I have a encountered a problem with gnome: I have rebooted my machine, and now my entire user settings are gone: desktop settings, mail settings, etc. but the files are still there, has anyone encountered a similar problem? |
| 14:26.48 | Psyp | tell me if i'm on the wrong channel :p |
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| 14:27.17 | ThetaWave | Psyp: have you tried automount? |
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| 14:27.39 | Psyp | no, but going to try right now ;) thx |
| 14:28.10 | ThetaWave | mrspock1980: Did you run gnome while root before that? |
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| 14:29.08 | ThetaWave | mrspock1980: that might have changed the ownership of the config files that you can no longer access unless root |
| 14:29.36 | mikoo | isn't java-package available in sarge? (I need java for the office :( ) |
| 14:30.20 | heny | so shouldn't i install a desktop like gnome for debian using it as a gameserver? tarzeau |
| 14:30.22 | resiak | It's in contrib |
| 14:30.27 | tarzeau | heny: no |
| 14:30.33 | tarzeau | heny: how much memory do you have? |
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| 14:30.58 | mikoo | resiak, oh yes, thank you |
| 14:30.59 | heny | p3 500, ~192 mb atm, later 312+ |
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| 14:31.18 | tarzeau | heny: no i wouldn't install gnome/kde on a p3 500 with only that small memory |
| 14:31.22 | heny | ok |
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| 14:31.36 | tarzeau | heny: just install a base install of debian and the gameserver. |
| 14:31.38 | heny | but linux is way better for server use than windows 98? right? :D |
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| 14:31.43 | tarzeau | heny: yes |
| 14:31.50 | heny | also memory-friendlier? |
| 14:31.59 | tarzeau | heny: depends on the applications |
| 14:32.00 | wols | only without X and gnome |
| 14:32.02 | heny | will it probably be able to host 1 more server? |
| 14:32.05 | tarzeau | heny: linux is fine. openoffice/gnome/kde are not |
| 14:32.06 | wols | with those, it's much worse |
| 14:32.08 | heny | then on win98 |
| 14:32.20 | heny | what's X? |
| 14:32.23 | pipeline | heny: Probably less, actually. |
| 14:32.25 | tarzeau | !X |
| 14:32.28 | pipeline | heny: UNIX eats RAM. Tons of it. |
| 14:32.37 | heny | unix = gnome/kde? |
| 14:32.38 | heny | oO |
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| 14:32.41 | shastry | hey |
| 14:32.44 | heny | unix is another kernel i think |
| 14:32.45 | tarzeau | heny: no |
| 14:32.51 | tarzeau | !unix |
| 14:32.51 | dpkg | it has been said that unix is a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS or is what the Internet was built on, or sexy, or http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/otherunix.html, or http://www.unix-systems.org/, or a gift from the gods, or http://www.scarynetworkguy.net, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html |
| 14:32.56 | ThetaWave | mikoo: I think you need to get the real one from sun.com, don't you? |
| 14:33.07 | shastry | is there any tool to add/remove services ? from default runlevel ? |
| 14:33.09 | tarzeau | heny: unix is nice. gnome and kde are not |
| 14:33.10 | wols | ThetaWave: no. SCO |
| 14:33.15 | wols | sun only licenses that |
| 14:33.27 | pipeline | wols: Uh, no. |
| 14:33.31 | tarzeau | what's wrong when k3b says "Starting writing and then cdrecord did not exit cleanly." |
| 14:33.38 | tarzeau | did it break my cd-r now? the shit? |
| 14:33.44 | ThetaWave | pipeline: are you out of your mind? I'm running with 40MB out of 256MB on my server right now! |
| 14:33.56 | pipeline | wols: Sun *owns* the SVR4 reference code. Their license to it actually predates SCO's. |
| 14:33.57 | shastry | hello ? |
| 14:33.58 | heny | ok tarzeau, but for desktop-pc's gnome or kde is fine, i think!? how should you surf w/o gui? |
| 14:34.00 | shastry | anyone ? |
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| 14:34.08 | tarzeau | heny: there is other guis |
| 14:34.10 | pipeline | wols: It also has fewer limitations than SCO's license :P |
| 14:34.14 | heny | which ones? |
| 14:34.17 | pipeline | ThetaWave: No, I am not out of my mind. |
| 14:34.27 | tarzeau | heny: alot of people use fvwm. i like wmaker/gnustep. there's many window managers which are plenty enough |
| 14:34.32 | tarzeau | and more efficient to get your work done |
| 14:34.40 | wols | pipeline: SUn is "only" a sublicensee. SCO ownas at least part of the "real" code especially for licensing purposes from at&t over novell to sco |
| 14:34.41 | pipeline | heny: I think you had better stick with win98 :P |
| 14:34.42 | tarzeau | heny: many people are happy with the shell only. and emacs |
| 14:34.46 | pipeline | wols: No. |
| 14:34.47 | fluxdude | what is the difference between the following: |
| 14:34.47 | fluxdude | Timing cached reads: 608 MB in 2.10 seconds = 289.52 MB/sec |
| 14:34.47 | fluxdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.48 | wols | sun can't sublicense |
| 14:34.53 | pipeline | wols: Also not true. |
| 14:34.54 | tarzeau | pipeline: don't scare him away. it's a nice guy |
| 14:35.00 | mikoo | ThetaWave, I need java-package and the JDK/JRE from Sun, yes. |
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| 14:35.16 | mikoo | the bot told me all about it :) |
| 14:35.23 | pipeline | wols: Sun cut a deal with Novell to the tune of several million dollars shortly after Novell bought USL. |
| 14:35.31 | pipeline | wols: How else could they get away with things like OpenSolaris? :P |
| 14:35.47 | wols | pipeline: so why did tghey pay AGAIN money to Sun? |
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| 14:35.51 | wols | erm to SCO of course |
| 14:36.02 | pipeline | wols: As a marketing stunt to make linux look bad, silly. |
| 14:36.12 | FromTO | my ssh connection drops after a period of inactivity. Looked at both ssh config files (remote and local) but nothing seems to be causing this. Looked at iptables -L no firewalls are present. Any ideas |
| 14:36.15 | pipeline | wols: Why did Microsoft give money to SCO? :P |
| 14:36.24 | ThetaWave | pipeline: then how can you say unix eats RAM? |
| 14:36.39 | tarzeau | !eat ThetaWave |
| 14:36.41 | wols | that's easy, sun is not _that_ bad or rather has more to lose if they did |
| 14:36.52 | tarzeau | wols: sun. is. bad. |
| 14:36.59 | pipeline | ThetaWave: Heh. Windows 2000, with the complete desktop and all normal services running, consumes about 50M of RAM. |
| 14:37.10 | wols | tarzeau: deon't tell me I already know, but they still have a good rep at large unlike MS |
| 14:37.12 | tarzeau | wols: the morons ate lighthosue design application suite and didn't release it |
| 14:37.17 | heny | tarzeau, what about XFCE? |
| 14:37.22 | tarzeau | heny: i hate it |
| 14:37.22 | wols | pipeline: wrong. it'S a pig in 128 |
| 14:37.26 | pipeline | tarzeau: Have you USED lighthouse? |
| 14:37.28 | pipeline | wols: Balderdash. |
| 14:37.32 | heny | why? ^^ |
| 14:37.34 | tarzeau | pipeline: of course. www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 14:37.42 | wols | heny: do NOT use any graphical user interface, none |
| 14:37.57 | pipeline | tarzeau: hahahah |
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| 14:38.03 | pipeline | tarzeau: OpenStep is a far cry from Lighthouse. |
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| 14:38.05 | wols | heny: all you install is ssh and run the thing via bash |
| 14:38.07 | tarzeau | pipeline: wtf, why are you laughing? |
| 14:38.07 | pipeline | tarzeau: Lighthouse was BAD. |
| 14:38.16 | tarzeau | pipeline: the applications were very nice |
| 14:38.23 | pipeline | tarzeau: The kluged-together OpenStep-on-X was unusably bad. And missing most of the applications. |
| 14:38.29 | tarzeau | pipeline: and they'd be very nice to have with GNUstep |
| 14:38.34 | tarzeau | pipeline: HELLO? |
| 14:38.40 | tarzeau | pipeline: OPENSTEP ON X? X IS TEH SHIT |
| 14:38.42 | wols | heny: commandline only. at least if you have a slight hope of running 2 gameserver (which you probably can't anyways) |
| 14:38.49 | tarzeau | pipeline: i have 10 cd's full of applications |
| 14:38.52 | tarzeau | what's your problem? |
| 14:39.05 | heny | wols, i am not asking this for any server use -_- i am asking this for personal use later, if i had a new pc and wanted to use linux. i work, play, program c++/delphi etc. i cant do this without GUI!?! oO |
| 14:39.06 | wols | tarzeau: there are 10CDs full of OS/2 apps too... |
| 14:39.13 | tarzeau | wols: so what? |
| 14:39.17 | pipeline | tarzeau: Heh, they could have done a vastly better job. They didn't. The OpenStep/Solaris product was shitcanned because it was awful. They bought Lighthouse to get OpenStep/Solaris, and it failed. |
| 14:39.21 | tarzeau | he didn't say there's no os/2 apps |
| 14:39.24 | pipeline | wols: OS/2 had a much larger user base than NeXTstep :P |
| 14:39.25 | heny | wols: on windows 98 i ran ~4 lan servers at a time without lag |
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| 14:39.36 | tarzeau | pipeline: of course openstep on solaris was shit. but that's not lighthosue fault |
| 14:39.38 | abrotman | pipeline: 3 vs 2 ? |
| 14:39.42 | tarzeau | lighthosue was a company, independant of sun |
| 14:39.46 | pipeline | abrotman: Several thousand. |
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| 14:39.50 | pipeline | tarzeau: Err, it pretty much is. |
| 14:39.51 | wols | heny: you can. but you asked for a gameserver. and as soon as you use the gameserver: no GUI. for GUI use I'd recommend XFCE as someone else here already did |
| 14:39.51 | tarzeau | sun made that it failed. MAN |
| 14:39.56 | pipeline | tarzeau: e.g. yellow box, openstep on NT, wasn't so bad. |
| 14:40.01 | tarzeau | can you read livecd.gnustep.org, the solaris details? |
| 14:40.16 | tarzeau | pipeline: no. but it's not yellow box but openstep enterprise that you mean |
| 14:40.21 | tarzeau | indeed. and it's still being used |
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| 14:41.32 | WebMonkey | hi guys |
| 14:41.33 | tarzeau | what's the difference between cdrecord and cdrecord.mmap ? |
| 14:41.40 | WebMonkey | I've got a curious problem... when I reboot my server, one of my drives is removed from my raid-5, I can add it back manually and all is fine, until I reboot. |
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| 14:42.07 | pipeline | WebMonkey: Perhaps your mdadm.conf is hosed? |
| 14:42.24 | WebMonkey | answer is probably, don't reboot.. however my NFS is down and I can't run X elsewhere unless I reboot my server and get NFS up |
| 14:42.26 | wols | tarzeau: one uses mmap the other normal fopen? |
| 14:42.32 | wols | knowing Mr. Schilling... |
| 14:42.44 | WebMonkey | pipeline: could be, I better check |
| 14:42.59 | wols | that guy is a grade a ass. djb without the brains and a pure Sun fixation |
| 14:43.24 | pipeline | wols: I think you meant that djb is Schilling without the brains :P |
| 14:43.50 | tarzeau | wols: i hate sun more than all those guys |
| 14:44.07 | tarzeau | wols: and i hate special licenses that don't comply to free software |
| 14:44.19 | kryl | irc.ipn.ro (195.16.67.5) < this host don't stop to brute force my sshd ... :-( |
| 14:44.24 | tarzeau | pipeline: have you used openstep? only commercially? |
| 14:44.30 | tarzeau | kryl: so what? |
| 14:44.34 | tarzeau | kryl: run it on another port |
| 14:44.44 | kryl | my sshd ? |
| 14:44.47 | tarzeau | kryl: yes |
| 14:44.48 | stew | kryl: iptables -A INPUT -s 195.16.67.5 -j DROP |
| 14:44.50 | kryl | too bad ... |
| 14:44.53 | kryl | ok ;) |
| 14:45.39 | rvsjoen | my syslog-ng has been acting up lately, dying on me without any clue whats wrong. Anybody experienced that ? it's version 1.9.9-1 on debian testing |
| 14:45.51 | tarzeau | can i have different /etc/modules according to kernel version? |
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| 14:45.59 | tarzeau | yes i can hack that up myself |
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| 14:47.02 | pipeline | tarzeau: You hate special licenses, yet you presumably use mozilla, a much more restrictively licensed product than OpenSolaris... |
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| 14:47.14 | tarzeau | pipeline: huh? i don't use mozilla. who says that? |
| 14:47.19 | wols | pipeline: trust me djb has brain. he's an ass too but he has some brains. schilling does not. I've seen enough of him in some german IT forums |
| 14:47.25 | wols | especially when opensolaris came out |
| 14:47.35 | pipeline | wols: I'm surprised he survived the OpenSolaris release. |
| 14:47.38 | tarzeau | pipeline: my main browser is links2 |
| 14:47.42 | pipeline | wols: I expected to read he had died of a heart attack. |
| 14:47.45 | pipeline | tarzeau: That's hilarious. |
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| 14:48.00 | tarzeau | pipeline: why? it's a great browser |
| 14:48.05 | wols | he has is own opensolaris distro. schillix or somesuch |
| 14:48.05 | tarzeau | and more stable than firefox for sure |
| 14:48.14 | tarzeau | if you surf some porn sites, ff crashes, while l2 doesn't |
| 14:48.22 | wols | opensolaris was like dying and going to paradise for him |
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| 14:48.49 | pipeline | wols: To be fair, his opensolaris distribution is halfway useful. A livecd. |
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| 14:49.31 | wols | debian can be annoying with politics, but this guy takes the cake. so thank, but no thanks |
| 14:50.24 | fluxdude | can anyone help with these really bad hdparms I get with raid5? My individual disks are way faster! <fluxdude> you guys gotta check out these hdparms of my four individual disks and then them together in my software raid 5! The raid 5 is awful... http://pastebin.com/628849 |
| 14:50.27 | davascript | tarzeau: if you surf some porn sites, ff crashes, while l2 doesn't : So its better for porn |
| 14:50.31 | davascript | ho cares |
| 14:50.33 | davascript | ho |
| 14:50.40 | tarzeau | davascript: not only |
| 14:50.54 | tarzeau | davascript: that was just an exmample |
| 14:51.02 | is_null | hello, how can i get to know version information for a loaded module ? |
| 14:51.06 | davascript | others please' |
| 14:51.08 | WebMonkey | boooka |
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| 14:51.27 | tarzeau | davascript: it happens at times. i don't have them in my mind. the url disappears when ff crashes you know |
| 14:51.30 | WebMonkey | raid-5 is solid for me |
| 14:51.32 | wols | is_null: sometimes they put out version info in dmesg |
| 14:51.38 | WebMonkey | never had any disks die or loose any data |
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| 14:51.43 | WebMonkey | very resilent |
| 14:51.49 | is_null | thank you wols ... |
| 14:51.50 | wols | is_null: if they don't: source only and then no other place |
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| 14:51.59 | davascript | raid 5 works well but if you lose two drives uh oh |
| 14:52.03 | rvsjoen | is_null: modinfo |
| 14:52.04 | WebMonkey | fluxdude: stick with raid 5 |
| 14:52.04 | davascript | raid 10 is better |
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| 14:52.12 | WebMonkey | losing 2 drives is unlikely eh |
| 14:52.17 | wols | rvsjoen: thx. didn't know that |
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| 14:52.24 | davascript | my friend just had two drop |
| 14:52.29 | davascript | 1 year old sata |
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| 14:52.37 | davascript | it can happen |
| 14:52.40 | WebMonkey | how can it happen, that must be so unlucky to have 2 drop together |
| 14:52.50 | davascript | anythin is possible |
| 14:52.55 | davascript | that is why you always make abckups |
| 14:53.05 | davascript | second and third teir |
| 14:53.07 | davascript | tier |
| 14:53.12 | WebMonkey | yeah raid isnt a substitute for backups, i learned that lesson |
| 14:53.17 | stew | i lost 2 drives several times recently due to a failing ups. luckly my hardware controller recovers fine from losing 2 drives temporarily |
| 14:53.27 | davascript | raid 5 is slow if you lose one drive though |
| 14:53.28 | tarzeau | k3b tells me to run k3bsetup2 but i only have k3bsetup |
| 14:53.29 | fluxdude | WebMonkey>: bad hd batch can have more than one die.. |
| 14:53.33 | davascript | it has to rebuildand all |
| 14:53.33 | stew | i would certainly run raid10 everywhere if money was no option |
| 14:53.36 | wols | why from a ups? |
| 14:53.48 | wols | powerspike? |
| 14:53.48 | fluxdude | i happened to somebody I knew who knew somebody... |
| 14:53.59 | WebMonkey | fluxdude: you should run your drives in properly before you build the array and also do regular backups |
| 14:54.03 | stew | wols: opposite, power was dropping and causing drives to fall off the array |
| 14:54.19 | davascript | whats are you using the array for fluxdude |
| 14:54.22 | stew | wols: i wasn't losing them totally, just losing them temporarily |
| 14:54.27 | wols | ah |
| 14:54.28 | mikoo | Debian rocks, it is by far the best distro |
| 14:54.34 | WebMonkey | aye |
| 14:54.37 | davascript | linux is linux |
| 14:54.38 | fluxdude | WebMonkey: they're older well used drives, been very reliable so far... |
| 14:54.46 | tarzeau | davascript: debian is more than linux |
| 14:54.48 | wols | makes more sense. just feared for my disk when the next circuit breaks. you scared me there |
| 14:54.49 | stew | davascript: if you lose a drive off a raid5 it becomes a raid0, so not slower |
| 14:54.53 | davascript | i know |
| 14:54.53 | mikoo | debian is much more than linux |
| 14:54.56 | WebMonkey | i have some older drives and new ones on standby |
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| 14:55.00 | tarzeau | mikoo: www.linuks.mine.nu/rockstone.jpg |
| 14:55.01 | wols | hdds have enough places of failures as it is |
| 14:55.07 | WebMonkey | I always keep 2 drives spare in the array |
| 14:55.07 | tombo | I have /tmp/filetom -rwxrwxrwt which simply invokes /tmp/hellotom.sh rwxr--r--, but another user gets "no permission". I guessed it shoud not, cause it should excute user2's rights. Where is my error? |
| 14:55.09 | tarzeau | mikoo: yes it's also freebsd and hurd at least |
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| 14:55.57 | fluxdude | but why is my bl**dy raid 5 so slow! the individual drives have got up to twice the speed on hdparm tests, see http://pastebin.com/628849 |
| 14:56.09 | WebMonkey | strange |
| 14:56.13 | davascript | yes i love debian more than other distros but what if you had to enter a new job and they use saya suse or slack box |
| 14:56.17 | rvsjoen | tombo: only the owner has execute permissions on hellotom.sh |
| 14:56.28 | WebMonkey | fluxdude: are you doing a lot of disk writing? |
| 14:56.35 | davascript | flux what interface are they and what rpm |
| 14:56.49 | mikoo | davascript, that's exactly my case, I have to work with SuSE Enterprise Server 9. It sucks! |
| 14:56.53 | davascript | if you have hig I/O then raid 5 is slow |
| 14:56.59 | WebMonkey | true |
| 14:57.12 | davascript | i work for a radiology center |
| 14:57.26 | davascript | we move about 108 gigs a week to the archive from mammo alone] |
| 14:57.31 | mikoo | davascript, I demonstrated Debian to all the people here and they all agree on its superiority. It is just a matter of hardware certification that forces us to use SuSE :( |
| 14:57.32 | WebMonkey | I run my raid 5 on scsi with 3 active drives and its fast as a single drive pretty much |
| 14:57.36 | davascript | trust me raid 5 is slow |
| 14:57.44 | davascript | IC |
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| 14:57.49 | davascript | thats too bad |
| 14:57.49 | fluxdude | they're ide disks, 160GBx4 7200rpm, software raid via linux |
| 14:57.55 | davascript | thats why its slow |
| 14:58.00 | WebMonkey | scsi is better for raid |
| 14:58.10 | davascript | scsi or sata and 100 -15000 rpm |
| 14:58.16 | WebMonkey | and smaller drives works better I think |
| 14:58.19 | WebMonkey | faster and smaller |
| 14:58.19 | davascript | yep |
| 14:58.26 | davascript | depend ont he drive |
| 14:58.30 | WebMonkey | I use 1000 RPM |
| 14:58.39 | davascript | 10-15000 |
| 14:58.42 | davascript | sorry |
| 14:58.42 | infernix | fluxdude, hdparm is not that good a test. use bonnie. |
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| 14:59.05 | infernix | fluxdude: besides that, you have 2 drives on 1 IDE bus. thats bad. |
| 14:59.11 | davascript | yep |
| 14:59.14 | davascript | need scsi |
| 14:59.17 | WebMonkey | he's maxed it out eh |
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| 14:59.34 | tombo | rvsjoen: oops, /tmp/filetom rwsrwsrwt, I get the indicated result. |
| 14:59.45 | infernix | fluxdude: either get another IDE card and put each drive on its own bus, or get hardware raid |
| 15:00.03 | fluxdude | I know it's not great, it's at home and I'm just using what I got, I'm happy enough with it appearing as 1 large volume and having some redundancy... |
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| 15:00.11 | davascript | hardware raid would be better |
| 15:00.20 | CoffeeBreaks | Hitting a double free glib issue in evolution after upgrading to glib 2.10. Evolution freeze. Any idea how to fix that? |
| 15:00.21 | stew | fluxdude: you would probably do a lot better just to move hdb to hdc |
| 15:00.28 | fluxdude | if I was going for performance I'd do a hardware raid on sata (or scsi - but not when I'm paying!) |
| 15:00.30 | infernix | fluxdude: anyway, if its for home use, you will rarely have speed problems with normal use. |
| 15:00.43 | davascript | if you want some redundancy and dont need all the space why dont you mirror the drives with parity |
| 15:00.45 | tombo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:00.53 | davascript | system user id |
| 15:00.59 | infernix | stew: he's got e+f as well, same problem. |
| 15:01.01 | fluxdude | stew:hdc is system disk... |
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| 15:01.27 | stew | infernix: but a+b were much slower than e+f |
| 15:01.38 | stew | fluxdude: then hdd |
| 15:01.40 | fluxdude | I have 2 running on same channel off ide controller and 2 running off same channel off motherboard but can't do anything about this cos case and channels maxed out... |
| 15:02.05 | davascript | get a nice ide raid controler |
| 15:02.14 | infernix | stew: thats a bit odd i guess, yes |
| 15:02.18 | fluxdude | i like sata much better than ide. ide sucks for similar price... |
| 15:02.20 | infernix | shouldnt occur really |
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| 15:02.54 | davascript | and split the four drives into two sets of drives and dont stripe |
| 15:02.54 | rvsjoen | tombo: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml#setuid |
| 15:02.57 | infernix | anyway, use bonnie. hdparm isnt a real world test |
| 15:03.13 | Led_Zeppelin | how do you configure X11 in sarge |
| 15:03.16 | fluxdude | looking up bonnie now... |
| 15:03.24 | stew | !drxx Led_Zeppelin |
| 15:03.24 | dpkg | Led_Zeppelin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:03.26 | davascript | hdparm is only to check if your dma is working or if it benefits to have it oon |
| 15:03.59 | davascript | bbl gotta go tend to my slow raid 5 |
| 15:04.19 | davascript | in the process of moving all the data to the raid 10 god i cant wait |
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| 15:06.54 | mathrick_ | hey, how do I get the original repo of a package? I have couple of packages which I want to install on another machine, but can't remember where exactly I got them, and don't have .debs anymore |
| 15:08.01 | JordiGH | Hm, I've had dependency problems installing straight from .deb, usually version conflicts. Do you remember what it is you want to install? |
| 15:08.28 | stew | mathrick_: if they don't show up in "apt-cache policy packagename" then i don't think there is a way |
| 15:08.40 | mathrick_ | stew: okay, lemme try |
| 15:08.44 | abrotman | !distract stew |
| 15:08.54 | metaperl | how do you play an mp4 on Debian? |
| 15:09.00 | tombo | rvsjoen: your link says: "If setuid bit is set, when the file will be executed by a user, the process will have the same rights as the owner of the file being executed." so, if both scripts have the same user, why script1 suid cannot invoke script2 with whatever user? |
| 15:09.03 | mathrick_ | JordiGH: yes, it's uim 1.0 packaged for ubuntu, normal etch debs generate subtle version conflicts |
| 15:09.39 | metaperl | how do you play an mp4 video on Debian? |
| 15:09.58 | mathrick_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.58 | mathrick_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.00 | mathrick_ | uh-oh |
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| 15:10.13 | Google__Firefox | instruction Google Adsense--> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/en.htm Download free Firefox® --> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox.htm |
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| 15:10.19 | stew | ugh |
| 15:10.19 | rvsjoen | tombo: i'm not sure, but maybe user1 isn't allowed to execute progams _as_ user2, you could try removing the suid bit, but i'm really not sure |
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| 15:10.32 | Google__Firefox | instruction Google Adsense--> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/en.htm Download free Firefox® --> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox.htm |
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| 15:10.52 | stew | !ops Google__Firefox spamming, its always "n=10373019" |
| 15:10.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Google__Firefox spamming, its always "n=10373019" |
| 15:10.53 | rvsjoen | maybe someone else knows.. ;) |
| 15:11.12 | LoRez | klined |
| 15:11.33 | stew | LoRez: thanks, he's been a pest for a number of days in a number of channels now |
| 15:11.38 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here using etch? |
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| 15:11.51 | stew | LoRez: http://vireo.org/tmp/googlefirefox.txt |
| 15:11.52 | Led_Zeppelin | is it worth getting for a desktop? or should I be using stable? |
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| 15:15.04 | shastry | whats the file where i can put custom commands/scripts to be started at boot ? |
| 15:15.10 | PhoenixMan | hi. I have a hosts.deny and hosts.allow file in /etc. There has been an abusive user who had sudo access and which is suspected to have some program running in the background (which we can't seem to detect) which rewrites sudo at his command. I've banned him using hosts.deny, but I still want to allow him access via port 80 and port 21 so he can still browse the website and edit his own website. How would I do this? |
| 15:15.14 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | you can specify services with hosts.deny/allow |
| 15:16.00 | settd | shoot him |
| 15:16.07 | PhoenixMan | ok. I want to allow him access to the "apache" service and that's it/. |
| 15:16.29 | settd | just ban him from using shell |
| 15:16.29 | CoffeeBreaks | found the cause of my double free glib issue. Somehow the evolution-plugins package didn't get updated when I updated evo to use the new glib. guenther on #evolution wasn't that happy :) |
| 15:16.35 | PhoenixMan | How do I do that? |
| 15:16.40 | PhoenixMan | =( |
| 15:16.52 | settd | why use hosts.deny |
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| 15:17.02 | settd | how? u don't know how to configure sshd? |
| 15:17.11 | PhoenixMan | nope. lol |
| 15:17.34 | settd | he he u rock |
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| 15:17.48 | settd | so shoot that user |
| 15:17.56 | PhoenixMan | I can't. |
| 15:17.58 | poison | hi, how do I convert a UTF8 text to normal ascii? I'm seeing a lot of @ signs in that thext |
| 15:18.03 | PhoenixMan | He's on the other side of the planet. |
| 15:18.06 | settd | trace him over the cable |
| 15:18.29 | settd | google openssh confguration |
| 15:18.36 | PhoenixMan | wait. we have a buildin firewall |
| 15:18.41 | PhoenixMan | linux firewall. |
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| 15:18.56 | PhoenixMan | oh dear. I ghave INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT |
| 15:19.03 | settd | fuck firewall just configure ssh normally |
| 15:19.05 | WebMonkey | how do i find out which type of nfs server i have running |
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| 15:20.14 | rvsjoen | PhoenixMan: man sshd_config , and read up on DenyUsers |
| 15:20.19 | WebMonkey | you guys drink alot coffee |
| 15:20.34 | shastry | abrotman: theres no such thing as rc.local where we can put custom scripts ? |
| 15:20.34 | thingfish | all day long. |
| 15:20.52 | WebMonkey | you never touch tea? |
| 15:21.05 | thingfish | WebMonkey: I wouldn't say never. |
| 15:21.17 | WebMonkey | i only drink tea |
| 15:21.17 | thingfish | WebMonkey: I drink a lot of iced tea, too. |
| 15:21.29 | settd | we drink vodka |
| 15:21.31 | WebMonkey | cant handle too much cafeine |
| 15:21.37 | WebMonkey | i have a half bottle of vodka here |
| 15:21.43 | WebMonkey | I like the odd shot now and again |
| 15:21.57 | WebMonkey | like before breakfast, after lunch, and before bed ;P |
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| 15:23.24 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 15:23.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 15:24.01 | shastry | :o |
| 15:24.06 | shastry | thanks abrotman |
| 15:24.11 | _ntl_ | ;-) |
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| 15:25.06 | XTF | Hi. Where does it explain what the CPU values at the top of top mean? |
| 15:25.29 | rvsjoen | man top ? |
| 15:25.31 | LSorensen | XTF: which ones? |
| 15:25.48 | XTF | LSorensen: Cpu(s): 31.8% us, 4.2% sy, 0.0% ni, 47.8% id, 14.6% wa, 0.3% hi, 1.3% si |
| 15:26.46 | Led_Zeppelin | when did etch come out? |
| 15:26.47 | LSorensen | XTF: us=user process usage, sy=system usage (device drivers/systemcalls), ni=time used to run niced processes, id=idle time, wa=time spent waiting for devices, but otherwise idle, hi=time spent handling hardware interupts, si=time spent on soft interrupts. |
| 15:26.55 | LSorensen | Led_Zeppelin: maybe 9 months from now |
| 15:27.08 | Eclipser | how can I find which packages depend on some package? :) |
| 15:27.19 | LSorensen | Eclipser: apt-cache showpkg packagename |
| 15:27.20 | Led_Zeppelin | LSorensen: ok, so its pretty stable right? (eventhough its called 'testing') |
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| 15:27.30 | DevilChaos | hello |
| 15:27.32 | XTF | LSorensen: Thanks, but shouldn't that be explained in the manu page? |
| 15:27.43 | LSorensen | Led_Zeppelin: well sometimes it isn't stable. most of the time it runs quite well. It goes through a lot of changes |
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| 15:27.50 | LSorensen | XTF: I thought it was. :) |
| 15:28.00 | LSorensen | XTF: unless your man pages are too old |
| 15:28.01 | Led_Zeppelin | LSorensen: recommeded for a desktop? |
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| 15:28.11 | livingtm | !niced |
| 15:28.16 | Eclipser | LSorensen, thanks, kind of useless info though on that package :p |
| 15:28.20 | LSorensen | Led_Zeppelin: for a non critical system, it is probably great. |
| 15:28.40 | livingtm | !dpkg niced |
| 15:28.53 | LSorensen | Led_Zeppelin: unstable breaks badly sometimes, so unless you kow what you are doing, you don't want that one. |
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| 15:29.03 | livingtm | okay... whats niced? |
| 15:29.16 | Led_Zeppelin | LSorensen: thx |
| 15:29.25 | LSorensen | livingtm: if you run: nice program, then the program runs at a lower priority, so it only runs when nothing else wants to |
| 15:29.30 | DevilChaos | anyone here familiar with grub menu list as i need to add my 32bit system to it and my xp partition but they arent on the same hard drive and am confused about the bit that is hd0.0 and what it should be for the others i know with the system im on at the moment is hd0.0 |
| 15:29.36 | prudhvi | I have a ATI Sound Card. i installed Debian Sarge. But i am not able to find /dev/dsp am i missing something ? |
| 15:29.39 | LSorensen | livingtm: or you renice a running process |
| 15:29.44 | livingtm | ah okay |
| 15:29.50 | LSorensen | prudhvi: sarge may not support such new hardware. |
| 15:29.57 | LSorensen | prudhvi: almost certainly doesn't |
| 15:30.01 | livingtm | not all daemons run niced though? |
| 15:30.09 | LSorensen | livingtm: very few should |
| 15:30.13 | poison | how can I convert a unicode text to ascii on linux? |
| 15:30.23 | livingtm | so its just supoer low priority stuff |
| 15:30.24 | prudhvi | LSorensen, how can use my driver to work under debian then ? |
| 15:30.27 | Led_Zeppelin | poison: uuencode |
| 15:30.36 | Led_Zeppelin | priscila: or with 'od' |
| 15:30.40 | DevilChaos | prudhvi: when you got the promt for the dsp wrapper did you choose auto or edsp? |
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| 15:30.45 | prudhvi | LSorensen, btw, i have a Kernel 2.6.12 Source. Can i compile it and use it ? |
| 15:30.54 | LSorensen | poison: tcs (translate character set) |
| 15:31.04 | prudhvi | DevilChaos i choose Auto |
| 15:31.15 | abrotman | DevilChaos: google should provide tons of docs on that |
| 15:31.17 | LSorensen | prudhvi: perhaps, or you can get a 2.6.15 package from www.backports.org which runs fine on sarge |
| 15:31.22 | LSorensen | prudhvi: simpler at least. |
| 15:31.38 | DevilChaos | and what mixer have you got alsa is the one you want |
| 15:31.51 | DevilChaos | oss isnt |
| 15:32.09 | prudhvi | DevilChaos i have no idea on ALSA or OSS |
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| 15:32.13 | DevilChaos | thanx abrotman |
| 15:32.48 | LSorensen | prudhvi: an ati sound chip will never work with oss. Only alsa is maintained and has new drivers added. |
| 15:32.54 | DevilChaos | do you use dselect ? |
| 15:33.18 | poison | tnx LSorensen |
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| 15:33.35 | DevilChaos | remove all packages associated with oss and make sure all alsa is installed |
| 15:33.44 | DevilChaos | why do you hate it? |
| 15:34.00 | LSorensen | DevilChaos: awful interface, inefficient, plain simple pain. |
| 15:34.13 | LSorensen | DevilChaos: apt-get, aptitude, etc are all better interfaces |
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| 15:34.26 | LSorensen | DevilChaos: good thing sarge finnaly stopped giving dselect by default |
| 15:34.55 | LSorensen | DevilChaos: I can run aptitude on a 486 with the current package lists no problem. dselect swapped like mad |
| 15:35.05 | Dangermouse | I need to change my MAC address before I use the net installer. I booted, waited till DHCP failed, went to the shell and did ifconfig eth0 down, then hw ether <my mac> and ifconfig eth0 up. But when i ran dhclient it used the normal mac address. What went wrong? |
| 15:35.20 | LSorensen | Dangermouse: whyever would you need to do that? |
| 15:35.21 | DevilChaos | never used aptitude before exiting |
| 15:36.27 | Dangermouse | LSorensen: I knew that would be the first reply. I'm registered with an old network card, since i have a new one (and other complications) i cant register my new one, so i fake it. |
| 15:39.06 | smhar | is there a way to have an online spelling checker when writing something in FireFox in KDE? |
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| 15:41.12 | Petaris | Hello |
| 15:41.19 | Prudhvi | LSorensen, how do i delete the OSS devices and reinstall ALSA packages ? |
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| 15:41.49 | WebMonkey | apt-get remove oss? apt-get install alsa? |
| 15:42.07 | WebMonkey | not sure of package names tho |
| 15:42.33 | Petaris | I just apt-got ircd-hybrid and hybserv and it created /etc/ircd-hybrid and /etc/hybserv but put nothing in them, I assume that isn't normal. Is there something I can do to get it to install the configs? |
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| 15:43.17 | Prudhvi | WebMonkey, no package with name oss, |
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| 15:44.04 | WebMonkey | ok |
| 15:44.27 | smhar | I am not sure if ff has a spelling plugin, but a kde program will do, if any. I have aspell and ispell installed, but I want a gui program |
| 15:44.29 | Prudhvi | !oss-core |
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| 15:44.44 | abrotman | smhar: dictionary.com ? |
| 15:44.56 | Prudhvi | hmm, any one how to remove oss altogehter ? |
| 15:45.38 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: get a kernel new enough to support your hardware, and it will have the alsa driver loaded automatically by udev |
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| 15:45.51 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: 2.6.15 from backports will do nicely |
| 15:45.57 | abrotman | smhar: http://dictionarysearch.mozdev.org/ |
| 15:46.08 | smhar | abrotman, :-) I know but I wanted something that will 'underline' my spelling mistakes as I write them |
| 15:46.11 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: don't worry about oss, it's just part of the kernel. since your hardware doesn't work with oss, it doesn't do anything |
| 15:46.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:46.17 | abrotman | smhar: in firefox ? |
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| 15:46.28 | WebMonkey | is it audioos? |
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| 15:46.43 | smhar | abrotman, or general programs, so it will be a universal speller |
| 15:46.48 | WebMonkey | i just switched to alsa in my X config |
| 15:46.52 | WebMonkey | left oss alone |
| 15:46.56 | abrotman | smhar: and there's no program in KDE either? |
| 15:47.02 | Prudhvi | WebMonkey, how ? |
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| 15:47.25 | billsex | Anyone konw How to build socks5 for Debian? |
| 15:47.27 | WebMonkey | if you run kde desktop, its under the control panel thingy |
| 15:47.31 | abrotman | damog: MORE! |
| 15:47.39 | damog | abrotman: less is more. |
| 15:47.44 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
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| 15:47.53 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: go get the 2.6.15 backport kernel, then try. |
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| 15:48.03 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: until then you have 0 chance of getting any sound out of an ati based system |
| 15:48.10 | Prudhvi | LSorensen, doing that :) |
| 15:48.18 | WebMonkey | oops |
| 15:48.20 | phyrster | is it possible that I use ssh + ssh server on my local box and tunnel all outgoing connections? |
| 15:48.22 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: just adding backports to your sources.list is simplest |
| 15:48.24 | WebMonkey | kernel upgrade |
| 15:48.32 | Prudhvi | LSorensen, it worked under Ubuntu Breezy |
| 15:48.38 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: which has a newer kernel |
| 15:48.56 | billsex | Anyone konw How to build socks5 for Debian? |
| 15:49.03 | phyrster | will this do? ssh -C -L 1100:localhost:110 username@localhost ? |
| 15:49.07 | Prudhvi | LSorensen, will the 2.6.12 come with udev ? |
| 15:49.34 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: if you get 2.6.15 from backports, it will depend on udev |
| 15:49.46 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: if you add it to sources.list and just apt-get install it |
| 15:49.49 | smhar | WebMonkey, I have in kde components -> spellchecker, but there is no option to enable it? |
| 15:50.21 | eheil | Ryunning 2.6.16 on some of my boxes here which I just got from apt-get linux-source-2.6.16 and just build it. |
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| 15:50.49 | LSorensen | Prudhvi: just add: 'deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free' to /etc/apt/sources.list, do apt-get update, and then install the newer kernel package |
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| 15:51.54 | roler | I have a Dell Inspiron E1705 Notebook right now... It has an intel 945GM chipset with an 950 Graphics Media Accelerator video card... The only way I can get X to work is by using the VESA drivers... Somehow I feel like i'm missing something. It is a bit slow, and only runs at 16bit... Intel does have drivers on their site, but they are for suse... Has anyone used these drivers to get better support of a 950 card? |
| 15:52.21 | jelly | roler: i810 driver doesn't work? |
| 15:52.31 | roler | jelly; no it doesn't... |
| 15:52.47 | pipeline | roler: Are you on sarge? |
| 15:52.51 | roler | jelly; it just says no screens found |
| 15:52.55 | roler | pipeline; testing |
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| 15:53.28 | anymo | hello |
| 15:53.32 | jelly | roler: My i910 mobile works with xorg 6.9. Still, it's not the same card. |
| 15:53.42 | XTF | How fair is the disk IO scheduler Linux 2.6? When my MySQL daemon is doing a lot of IO it takes a minute to login. |
| 15:53.44 | pipeline | roler: Change the driver to i810, run X, and pastebin the complete X output at pastebin.ca, perhaps? |
| 15:53.47 | anymo | I have a question about package sizes.. |
| 15:53.56 | pipeline | roler: It might be something relatively simple (e.g. agpgart driver not loaded) |
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| 15:54.10 | roler | pipeline; ok BRB don't go anywhere :) |
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| 15:54.16 | anymo | does anyone know the difference in size beetwen deb and rpm? |
| 15:54.33 | pipeline | anymo: Inconsequentially small. |
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| 15:54.39 | anymo | which one? |
| 15:54.45 | pipeline | anymo: Either. |
| 15:54.45 | anymo | is smaller? |
| 15:54.53 | pipeline | anymo: They use similar compression schemes :P |
| 15:55.02 | anymo | because I saw same deb files much smaller than rpm ones.. |
| 15:55.04 | pipeline | anymo: dpkg and rpm aren't really that different, in general. |
| 15:55.08 | karl | need an advice Need to backup to an ftp a server |
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| 15:55.20 | jelly | both deb and rpm use bzip2 nowadays, don't they. |
| 15:55.59 | pipeline | jelly: I believe so |
| 15:56.03 | azeem | jelly: use bzip2 for what? |
| 15:56.12 | azeem | .deb are gzip-compressed tar files |
| 15:56.14 | anymo | so basically they're pretty much the same comparing the size? |
| 15:56.21 | jelly | anymo: that might be because the packages contain different stuff and the debian binaries are split into more packages. |
| 15:56.27 | Petaris | never mind I got it |
| 15:56.32 | billsex | Anyone konw How to build socks5 for Debian? |
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| 15:56.43 | anymo | jelly: that could be an explanation... |
| 15:57.04 | azeem | billsex: what is socks5? |
| 15:57.04 | davascript | it is an aexplanatgion |
| 15:57.15 | azeem | billsex: do you mean a socks client or server? |
| 15:57.23 | davascript | just use squid |
| 15:57.33 | anymo | well curentlly I'm using suse but I'm interested in debian very much |
| 15:57.37 | jelly | azeem: hmm. you're right. data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz. |
| 15:57.42 | anymo | so I'm comparing things a bit... |
| 15:57.43 | roler | pipeline, http://pastebin.ca/47459 |
| 15:58.01 | anymo | any other things I should know about deb vs rpm? |
| 15:58.02 | jelly | ok, so deb doesn't use bzip2 but gzip. |
| 15:58.05 | metaperl | how do you play an mp4 on Debian? |
| 15:58.26 | roler | pipeline, ; can I force a device? It mentions a 945G, but I have a 945GM I think |
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| 15:59.11 | jelly | metaperl: xine? mplayer? |
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| 15:59.19 | pipeline | roler: the "M" is just mobile. |
| 15:59.20 | metaperl | its video mp4 |
| 15:59.45 | pipeline | roler: hmm. It says the primary device is PCI:0:2:0, but it looks like your configuration file references PCI:0:2:1 ? |
| 16:00.06 | jelly | anymo: if you cared, rpm has file dependencies, while deb has package dependencies. |
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| 16:00.49 | roler | hmm |
| 16:00.52 | is_null | hello, running drivers module using some files in /lib/firmware. Will unloading the module be enought to safely change firmware files ? |
| 16:00.55 | anymo | jelly : uhm, so what's the difference... since I haven't really been using debian... |
| 16:01.03 | is_null | *or am i supposed to recompile the kernel ? |
| 16:01.17 | anymo | jelly: any advantages of deb packaging system? |
| 16:01.40 | is_null | anymo, it has super cow powers :p |
| 16:01.41 | jelly | roler: try put option "SingleCard" "true" in the ServerLayout section |
| 16:01.46 | roler | pipeline, ; it refers to 0:2:0 " BusID "PCI:0:2:0" |
| 16:01.46 | roler | " |
| 16:02.02 | pipeline | roler: Comment that out. |
| 16:02.10 | roler | k |
| 16:02.11 | pipeline | roler: Or try what the other guy suggested |
| 16:02.13 | pipeline | roler: Or both :P |
| 16:02.24 | pipeline | roler: The BusID *should* be optional. Should. Maybe it's not. With that driver. |
| 16:02.28 | jelly | roler: this tells xorg to ignore the extraneous device. I needed that for my laptop card too. |
| 16:03.12 | roler | ok guys |
| 16:03.13 | roler | BRB |
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| 16:03.39 | _gass_ | hello there |
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| 16:03.55 | jengelh | hello nowhere |
| 16:04.13 | roler | it says : "SingleCard" is not a valid keyworde |
| 16:04.26 | pipeline | roler: You have to put in the "option" part :P |
| 16:04.36 | roler | lol |
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| 16:04.44 | anymo | has anyone here been using suse and now debian so it could compare these two in few words? |
| 16:04.50 | anymo | I mean just basic comparison... |
| 16:04.53 | is_null | hello, running drivers module using some files in /lib/firmware. Will unloading the module be enought to safely change firmware files ? or am i supposed to recompile the module or the kernel ? |
| 16:05.01 | jelly | roler: man xorg.conf, is that option mentioned there? |
| 16:05.21 | Nappen | some swedish people her??? need help with my debian!!! |
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| 16:05.31 | abrotman | anymo: debian is way better |
| 16:05.33 | roler | ok |
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| 16:05.48 | anymo | abrotman: I believe you... ;) |
| 16:06.09 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 16:06.09 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 16:06.19 | anymo | a friend of mine has told me that suse is quite commercial and not really an opensource orientated |
| 16:06.19 | roler | now it says: "no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 16:06.24 | jelly | anymo: few words? Debian is nicer for admin. Commercial software, however, usually supports only RH and SuSe. |
| 16:06.35 | abrotman | liar! |
| 16:06.44 | abrotman | i can make anything work |
| 16:06.52 | abrotman | except that damn faulty hardware in my serverroom |
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| 16:07.02 | jelly | abrotman: can you give support and SLA? |
| 16:07.12 | cuco | how do i check if some configuration file has been modified? |
| 16:07.15 | anymo | but as far as I read debian is quite more configurable than suse... |
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| 16:07.31 | abrotman | jelly: i do already ... i'm the admin :) |
| 16:07.37 | cuco | how can i know if a user modified a specific configuration file? |
| 16:07.38 | _gass_ | abrotman: hey ... no post on debian-desktop |
| 16:07.45 | abrotman | _gass_: i saw |
| 16:07.52 | Nappen | some swedish people her??? need help with my debian!!! |
| 16:07.55 | abrotman | !se |
| 16:07.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, se is Anslut till #debian.se för att snacka svenska, skriv /join debian.se |
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| 16:08.10 | roler | can I be missing a package or some configuration option ? |
| 16:08.16 | abrotman | cuco: did you give them rights to? |
| 16:08.34 | roler | anyone have an i810 xorg.conf to send me? |
| 16:08.37 | anymo | anyway... debian is obviously worth a shot?.. |
| 16:08.45 | anymo | at least as dual boot with suse.. |
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| 16:08.51 | abrotman | !d-i anymo |
| 16:08.51 | dpkg | anymo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:08.52 | billsex | azeem:i mean a socks server. |
| 16:09.10 | azeem | billsex: you can use SSH as a transparent socks proxy |
| 16:09.10 | abrotman | roler: did you leave the field blank when it asked for a BusID ? |
| 16:09.12 | is_null | roler : i use i830, i beleive it's the same, but it's working out of the box |
| 16:09.41 | jelly | clean underware too! |
| 16:09.49 | anymo | abrotman: don't you think I'll manage by myself with debian installer? |
| 16:09.53 | jengelh | jelly: dante maybe? |
| 16:09.59 | roler | is_null; can you send me your config? so I can try to piece something together |
| 16:10.06 | roler | abrotman ; I commented the whole line out |
| 16:10.17 | is_null | roler : uploading :) |
| 16:10.21 | cuco | abrotman, lets assume the "root" can do this. basically, i want to know if i modified a configuration file (compared to what it's on the corresponding deb package) on a specific box |
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| 16:10.28 | billsex | azeem:how to? |
| 16:10.28 | anymo | I'm not that inexpirienced with linux... I've been using ubunto for a month or two... |
| 16:10.35 | roler | is_null thank you so much |
| 16:10.43 | jelly | jengelh: just a stupid pun. No La Comedia Divina here. |
| 16:10.51 | anymo | and actually I did ran debina for couple a weeks ^^ |
| 16:10.55 | anymo | *debian.. |
| 16:11.01 | azeem | billsex: ssh -D <port> foo |
| 16:11.04 | anymo | or maybe even more... |
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| 16:11.15 | azeem | billsex: then point your socks client at localhost and port <port> |
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| 16:11.21 | is_null | roler : http://pastebin.com/629008 |
| 16:11.23 | anymo | but honestly, I don't remember why I have switched to suse ... |
| 16:11.26 | jengelh | jelly: no, really. SOCKs is not as widely used as e.g. squid, so the question seemed valid. |
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| 16:12.07 | azeem | billsex: the box `foo' should be able to do the connection you would like to make with help of socks without further stuff, of course |
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| 16:12.30 | roler | i wonder if my chipset is too new? |
| 16:12.38 | jelly | jengelh: I sincerely apologize for the confusion created. O:-) |
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| 16:12.46 | abrotman | anymo: que? |
| 16:12.54 | thingfish | anymo: read those articles dpkg printed above - they'll give you good reasons to use Debian. |
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| 16:13.26 | anymo | I already have good reasons to use debian ^^ |
| 16:13.28 | abrotman | cuco: debsums? .. i'm not sure what you're really after .. you can also check the modified time on the file |
| 16:13.36 | pinucset | is there somebody working on xara-xtreme package? |
| 16:13.37 | anymo | as I said I was using it for maybe even a month... |
| 16:13.52 | anymo | but I really don't know why I switched to suse.. |
| 16:13.56 | ma3x | abrotman, hi dude! |
| 16:14.03 | abrotman | hi dudette! |
| 16:14.10 | anymo | and I took that linux distribution chooser test |
| 16:14.12 | _gass_ | abrotman: do you consider the use of gksudo instead of gksu a bug? BUM uses gksudo, and i have no sudo user ... |
| 16:14.13 | cuco | abrotman, debsums... /me rtfms... |
| 16:14.18 | anymo | and debian always comes out as a winner |
| 16:14.19 | ma3x | abrotman, yuu run stable or sid? |
| 16:14.25 | abrotman | _gass_: i don't use either ... |
| 16:14.27 | is_null | roler : your chipset isn't, it's working, you just need to compile a module within the kernel |
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| 16:14.30 | abrotman | ma3x: at work .. all sarge .. at home etch |
| 16:14.54 | ma3x | abrotman, which is more inovative sid or etch? |
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| 16:15.15 | resiak | Well clearly Sid, because Etch is basically Sid - 2 weeks, but that's not a good reason to use Sid |
| 16:15.19 | roler | is_null ; for agp stuff? |
| 16:15.23 | pipeline | ma3x: Heh, sid may very well not work at any given time. Etch is always going to be close to sid, and you can add sid packages in as you need them, but you don't have to suffer. |
| 16:15.23 | abrotman | innovative ? |
| 16:15.33 | anymo | ok, I'm getting debian anyway... soon I hope so... |
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| 16:15.47 | anymo | and I have another question.. while I'm here |
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| 16:15.53 | ma3x | so sid is forward |
| 16:15.55 | anymo | maybe it's not a right place but anyway... |
| 16:16.06 | anymo | my laptop never reboots on a linux reboot command.. |
| 16:16.24 | abrotman | don't feel bad .. my laptop won't reboto correctly into windows |
| 16:16.32 | ma3x | anymo, what does it say? |
| 16:16.32 | anymo | when I click on reboot or reboot after using some live cd distro... |
| 16:16.34 | anymo | ma3x : nothing |
| 16:16.37 | roler | i gotta go... |
| 16:16.39 | anymo | it simply stalls |
| 16:16.39 | ma3x | anymo, try -h now |
| 16:16.41 | roler | thanks for the attempts guys |
| 16:16.42 | roler | work sucks :) |
| 16:16.46 | is_null | roler : only for the i810, i830, i8x0 graphic chipset drivers |
| 16:16.55 | ma3x | abrotman, you still have window? |
| 16:17.07 | jelly | is_null: He's gone, Jim. |
| 16:17.09 | abrotman | ma3x: it's installed .. i keep it patched .. i don't use it |
| 16:17.15 | ma3x | why don't yuou remove it? |
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| 16:17.21 | ma3x | you use it ever? |
| 16:17.24 | maxxle | I want to copy my system from one HDD to another. I try to use 'dd'. The question is, if I have to watch the geometry of the new HDD. The size is not the same. My system must be able to boot from the HDD later. Is it ok to do a 'dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1'? |
| 16:17.25 | is_null | jelly : Thank you Jim. |
| 16:17.51 | abrotman | ma3x: because .. i installed it .. i figure i may not always be the only one using my laptop |
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| 16:18.07 | jelly | abrotman: high hopes? |
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| 16:18.41 | abrotman | jelly: i meant could be my dad, etc came for a visit .. |
| 16:18.51 | billsex | azeem:it works well,but it's not i want,i want set up a socks 5 proxy server for many user connect. |
| 16:19.13 | azeem | billsex: ok, I don't know then |
| 16:19.19 | ma3x | abrotman, so why doesn't he use debian too? you have openoffice, browser, anything you need... |
| 16:19.38 | abrotman | ma3x: because it's not for everyone ... why should i force someone to use it? |
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| 16:19.58 | heny | how war is debian to install and setup as a gameserver in lan for a linux-newbie? |
| 16:20.17 | heny | hard |
| 16:20.34 | mart | anyone using emacs-snapshot-gtk? |
| 16:20.39 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 16:20.39 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:20.49 | ma3x | abrotman, but I mean, what do you do on windows, that you can't on linux? |
| 16:21.12 | mart | resiak: totally helpful, thanks |
| 16:21.23 | resiak | No problem, any time. |
| 16:21.25 | heny | how hard is debian to install and setup as a gameserver in lan for a linux-newbie? |
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| 16:21.32 | resiak | !tell heny -about repeat |
| 16:21.34 | abrotman | ma3x: myself .. nothing .. except get FUCKING TA working ... god damn wine sucks |
| 16:21.49 | abrotman | ma3x: but that's for me .. you should never impose your will on your users |
| 16:22.01 | ma3x | abrotman, what's TA? |
| 16:22.03 | ma3x | game? |
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| 16:23.54 | pipeline | ma3x: Only the finest RTS ever wrought by man. |
| 16:24.09 | pipeline | ma3x: Even the mighty Starcraft pales and trembles in comparison. |
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| 16:24.30 | pipeline | abrotman: TA works if you use the native DPLAY.dll |
| 16:24.36 | pipeline | abrotman: It's just very, very, very, very slow :P |
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| 16:25.12 | GNU_Style | hi |
| 16:25.19 | falkon | well great, using kpkg, the nvidia-kernel module fails to build.. no real given reason... seems to actually be a syntax error from what the errors say, what else could it be? |
| 16:25.28 | mart | GNU_Style: this isn't #xemacs :) |
| 16:25.32 | ma3x | pipeline, better than warcraft? |
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| 16:25.41 | pipeline | ma3x: Warcraft III sucked ass. |
| 16:25.55 | danieldg | falkon: what kernel version? |
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| 16:26.03 | ma3x | pipeline, it was the best game |
| 16:26.04 | falkon | danieldg: 2.6.16 |
| 16:26.09 | Mnabil | hello all |
| 16:26.14 | falkon | danieldg: latest nvidia source, too |
| 16:26.19 | pipeline | ma3x: Then you clearly have not experienced the orgasmic glory that is a four-way game of total annihilation. |
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| 16:26.56 | GoAuLd | falkon: export KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.15.3 (change 2.6.15.3 with ur version) |
| 16:27.04 | toxicosmos | hey! have some one installed gnome 2.14 from the sources? |
| 16:27.04 | ma3x | pipeline, orgasmic glory? is there such thing in games? |
| 16:27.11 | GNU_Style | mart, why did you tell me this isnt #xemacs? |
| 16:27.16 | GoAuLd | falkon: export KVERS='2.6.15.3' (same change for this) |
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| 16:27.27 | mart | GNU_Style: am reading the conversation in #emacs :) |
| 16:27.32 | pipeline | ma3x: Total Annihilation has been known to infrequently cause rapture in unprepared patients. |
| 16:27.49 | danieldg | falkon: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=15455&d=1136552262 |
| 16:28.10 | GNU_Style | mart, :) |
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| 16:28.58 | falkon | danieldg: what do I do with that file? |
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| 16:29.25 | ma3x | pipeline, so you mean I should be too much into the game, so that I can experience it |
| 16:29.34 | danieldg | falkon: that's a patch to /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/conftest.sh |
| 16:30.06 | falkon | danieldg: can I just run patch and use that diff file with conftest? |
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| 16:30.15 | danieldg | falkon: I think so |
| 16:30.29 | falkon | danieldg: It's been a while since I've had to do this |
| 16:30.38 | ma3x | wtf is so special about this game |
| 16:30.39 | ma3x | http://www.planetannihilation.com/taan/pages/cavedog/presentation/01.jpg |
| 16:30.42 | ma3x | it looks like RA2 |
| 16:30.54 | ma3x | even worse |
| 16:30.56 | resiak | It might be ... fun? |
| 16:31.14 | ma3x | res you play it too? |
| 16:31.22 | livingtm | OOh, linksys has some cool new toys.. media bridge, music bridge... too bad is supports ONLY windows XP media addition |
| 16:31.33 | resiak | I still play SimTower, from like 1994, in a qemu'd copy of Windows Me (which is the last version of anything I can make it run in) because it's fun |
| 16:31.49 | jengelh | huh |
| 16:31.57 | jengelh | simtower works quite normal |
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| 16:32.24 | ma3x | resiak, look at this: http://zwzsg.hosted.luckz.de/img/Blue_and_Red_Big_Ziccas.png |
| 16:32.31 | resiak | I can't make it run in WinXP (which I have since expunged from my laptop), and it didn't get along with Wine so well. It ran, but all the sprites were somewhat corrupted |
| 16:32.33 | ma3x | doesn't that look just poor and terrible? |
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| 16:33.11 | erudified | Is there a 'debian way' to sync the samba password file with /etc/passwd ? |
| 16:33.18 | syntaxis | ma3x: that's a terrible image - the in-game graphics can certainly look far, far better than that |
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| 16:33.29 | ma3x | oh okay |
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| 16:34.10 | WebMonkey | hi ma3x remember me? (amorphix) |
| 16:34.15 | resiak | ma3x: How it looks is entirely irrelevant |
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| 16:34.38 | pipeline | resiak: simtower works fine in wine IIRC |
| 16:34.42 | ma3x | WebMonkey, yeah , though not really |
| 16:34.48 | pipeline | resiak: Also, with the advent of VMware Server, why would you use Qemu? :P |
| 16:34.59 | jengelh | heh |
| 16:35.08 | resiak | pipeline: Hmm, I'll try it again now that I'm at home with the CD handy. Maybe because I *gasp* _like Free software_? |
| 16:35.33 | pipeline | resiak: Qemu is awful, though. |
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| 16:35.43 | pipeline | resiak: And its author is, ah, somewhat less than committed to the cause. |
| 16:36.13 | resiak | pipeline: Both of those are true. But I'm running a game which was aimed at machines orders of magnitude slower than mine, so it runs just fine :) |
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| 16:36.28 | jengelh | Here's a classical chicken-and-egg problem, to which a solution exists (which I can't find). In glibc and gcc, which one do you compile first? |
| 16:36.43 | jengelh | -when cross-compiling? |
| 16:36.48 | pipeline | jengelh: You should be able to do either, actually. |
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| 16:37.00 | pipeline | jengelh: ohh, cross-compiling. Different issue. Use crosstool. |
| 16:37.04 | bytron | I have a question, maybe someone knows the answer. I am trying to install PHP4 so I can use embeded php with apache2. However, when I select php4 for installation with aptitude, it also selects apache-common for installation. Is this going to install apache 1x? I don't want to install apache 1x, is there a way for me to install php4 for use with apache2? Thanks. |
| 16:37.20 | pipeline | bytron: apache-common isn't apache 1.x, I don't think. |
| 16:37.40 | jengelh | [dpkg] Package 'crosstool' does not exist. |
| 16:37.41 | resiak | Sure it is :) |
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| 16:37.53 | jengelh | not a deb package? |
| 16:38.02 | falkon | danieldg: mmk, conftest.h is patched, and I think it's working! |
| 16:38.06 | resiak | bytron: install libapache2-mod-php4 instead |
| 16:38.14 | falkon | danieldg: YAY! Thank you! |
| 16:38.19 | fluxdude | when referring to hard disk info in proc, do irqs/sec equate to i/o operations/sec? |
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| 16:39.13 | leOn | jengelh: maybe dpkg-cross ? |
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| 16:41.18 | jengelh | that should get me started, thanks |
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| 16:41.44 | lws | Anybody know if you can do stuff like: HOSTNAME=`cat /etc/hostname` in a CRONTAB variable set? |
| 16:41.45 | shaya | if one is downgrading from unstable to testing, is there any way to have apt or aptitude (or some other tool) list which packages have a newer version installed than what's available/ |
| 16:42.01 | blondie | shaya: reinstall |
| 16:42.02 | shaya | or for instance going from unstable -> ubuntu |
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| 16:42.06 | resiak | bytron: Please don't /msg me |
| 16:42.06 | Ronin | shaya: as far as i know its still not possible to downgrade |
| 16:42.12 | resiak | !tell bytron -about msg |
| 16:42.24 | blondie | and if you want to install ubuntu, ask in the relevent channel :) |
| 16:42.30 | Ronin | that too |
| 16:42.30 | shaya | all I want to know if its possible to list which packages are newer |
| 16:42.36 | Kevin` | going from unstable to ubuntu sounds .. stupid |
| 16:42.37 | shaya | I've already done the downgrade successfully |
| 16:42.52 | shaya | just need to figure which packages are crufty |
| 16:42.56 | blondie | but it's not possible! |
| 16:42.58 | Ronin | shaya: ubuntu? |
| 16:42.59 | blondie | :) |
| 16:43.01 | shaya | yes |
| 16:43.10 | shaya | went from unstable->dapper |
| 16:43.12 | Ronin | try #ubuntu they know thier distro better |
| 16:43.19 | shaya | as the laptop is hardly used |
| 16:43.19 | shaya | this is an apt q |
| 16:43.28 | blondie | shaya: this is a debian channel |
| 16:43.33 | blondie | not an apt one |
| 16:43.48 | blondie | if you're using ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu please |
| 16:43.58 | linoleum | Kevin`, hello, why do you think going from sid to ubuntu is stupid? |
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| 16:44.08 | bytron | What is the proper IRC command to send someone a message properly, similar to what "whisper" generally does? |
| 16:44.15 | Kevin` | it's a different distro.. using apt to change distros.. |
| 16:44.18 | jnco | ubuntu is linux for noobs right? |
| 16:44.18 | blondie | /msg |
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| 16:44.31 | blondie | jnco: something like that |
| 16:44.37 | Ronin | jnco: not necessarily but its what i would suggest |
| 16:44.38 | bytron | blondie: ok thanks, thats what I thought |
| 16:44.44 | blondie | bytron: or /query |
| 16:44.51 | redrain | Hi, i can't kill two cdrecord processes with status DL+ and D, kill -9 PID or pkill cdrecord doesn't kill, so i can't eject cd. I've spent 3 cds for an iso file... |
| 16:44.59 | Kevin` | what's whisper |
| 16:45.04 | linoleum | Kevin`, ha ok . I thaught you mean ubuntu is not usefull when you have already sid |
| 16:45.16 | shaya | Kevin`: it worked fine :) |
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| 16:45.27 | bytron | blondie: that message you just sent me.. you did that using /msg? |
| 16:45.32 | foo | How can I have etho start on startup and try to grab an IP via dhcp? |
| 16:45.39 | shaya | considering I've been using debian since 96, I tend to know what I'm doing :) |
| 16:45.42 | blondie | bytron: I didn't send you a message |
| 16:45.51 | blondie | redrain: you need to reboot |
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| 16:46.18 | redrain | blondie: But this will be third time :-/ |
| 16:46.24 | \amethyst | redrain: state D is uninterruptible sleep, meaning the process is stuck in the kernel probably waiting for some hardware event that never happened |
| 16:46.24 | gilianima | how to run any command in a bash at a given time, and for a given amount of time ? For example running "encode" at 18:50 for 1 min ? |
| 16:46.26 | foo | Eek. That sounds like Windows. |
| 16:46.27 | foo | hehe |
| 16:46.32 | yggdrasil | hello, anyone know if theres a console based torrent client that can do udp:// type torrents ? |
| 16:46.34 | blondie | redrain: if you can't kill them with -9 then you can't kill them |
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| 16:46.37 | \amethyst | redrain: is it possible your drive or controller is failing? |
| 16:46.58 | bytron | blondie: ok, my bad. I think I see what is happening here. I'm getting a highlight when a statement has my name at the beginning, and I mistook it for something more complex than that. |
| 16:47.17 | blondie | bytron: no that's all it is :) |
| 16:47.38 | redrain | \amethyst: I think drive is ok, because before this sarge installation i've been using etch and everything was ok... |
| 16:48.15 | \amethyst | redrain: hm.. perhaps you could try a later kernel? |
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| 16:48.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:48.41 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:48.44 | \amethyst | redrain: are you getting any IDE errors in the logs? |
| 16:48.50 | \amethyst | or SCSI, or whatever |
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| 16:49.33 | Storkme | how can i compile with gcc-3.4 instead of 4.0? |
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| 16:49.48 | redrain | \amethyst: There is only 2.6.8-3 available for sarge, I'll try that |
| 16:49.55 | \amethyst | Storkme: use gcc-3.4 as your compiler rather than gcc |
| 16:50.05 | wols | Storkme: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 16:50.19 | ma3x | ma3x@ma3x:~$ update-menus install-menu: Warning: Unknown identifier `removemenu' on line 51 in file /etc/menu-methods/xdg-desktop-entry-spec-dirs. Ignoring. install-menu: Warning: Unknown identifier `removemenu' on line 47 in file /etc/menu-methods/xdg-desktop-entry-spec-apps. Ignoring. ma3x@ma3x:~$ |
| 16:50.20 | wols | !tell redrain about 2.6.15 sarge |
| 16:50.24 | ma3x | why the hell I get that? |
| 16:50.29 | ma3x | wols, howdy! |
| 16:50.33 | Storkme | thanks guys |
| 16:50.53 | redrain | wols: I don't get anything |
| 16:51.22 | wols | now you did |
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| 16:51.45 | redrain | wols: Ok, but isn't this unofficial? |
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| 16:52.16 | wols | many people with really new hardware need it however (nf4, latest intel chipsets, etc) |
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| 16:52.20 | ma3x | wols, answer my question |
| 16:52.27 | wols | ma3x: no |
| 16:52.34 | ma3x | wols, klingenstein |
| 16:52.49 | ma3x | klingel klingel klingenstein |
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| 16:53.03 | wols | !ops please remove ma3x for trolling. thank you |
| 16:53.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please remove ma3x for trolling. thank you |
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| 16:53.13 | redrain | wols: Ok, but i could use this drive with 2.6.8 before this installation |
| 16:53.16 | ma3x | ah come on! |
| 16:53.18 | blondie | o.o |
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| 16:53.41 | ma3x | you never understand a god damn joke |
| 16:53.41 | blondie | ma3x: please pay your support fee of 2,000 dollars |
| 16:53.41 | _gass_ | does debian-patch-vservers pply to kernel 2.4 also? |
| 16:53.59 | wols | I'm sick, have 2.5 grams antibiotics in my body and totally NOT in the mood to play footsie with a teenage idiot |
| 16:54.04 | ma3x | blondie, im bankrupt |
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| 16:54.09 | redrain | \amethyst: I've pasted drive error to #flood |
| 16:54.16 | azeem | ma3x: stop harassing people |
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| 16:54.24 | ma3x | azeem, alright, I was just kiddin |
| 16:54.26 | \amethyst | redrain: could you use a paste server? |
| 16:54.27 | GNU_Style | hey, is synaptic orecise as aot-get? |
| 16:54.30 | GNU_Style | apt-get |
| 16:54.35 | ma3x | azeem, nothing bad, I like his name veyr much |
| 16:54.46 | wols | GNU_Style: think, then type. and no,nothing will supplant apt-get |
| 16:54.48 | \amethyst | GNU_Style: what do you mean by `precise' (I'll assume that was a typo) |
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| 16:54.59 | azeem | ma3x: it's not up to you to decide this, I'm afraid |
| 16:55.05 | azeem | ma3x: so consider this a stern warning |
| 16:55.09 | amee2k | is there a tool to remove unused stuff like unused kernel modules or libraries nothing depends on from the hard drive? |
| 16:55.21 | jengelh | there is no such thing as 'unused kernel modules' |
| 16:55.32 | \amethyst | jengelh: there isn't? |
| 16:55.36 | jengelh | well |
| 16:55.37 | wols | amee2k: deborphan and debfoster. modules won't be removed ever unless you compile a custom kernel |
| 16:55.37 | ma3x | azeem, okay dude keep koool |
| 16:55.38 | resiak | That's trivially false |
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| 16:55.44 | redrain | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/47477 |
| 16:55.51 | jengelh | when I got my first USB device, I had the fun to recompile the kernel because I removed usb from earlier ones |
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| 16:55.58 | GNU_Style | \amethyst, wats a typo? |
| 16:55.59 | amee2k | jengelh: and whyt about one for a device i don't have in my computer? |
| 16:56.06 | GNU_Style | wols, it was a typo |
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| 16:56.23 | jengelh | amee2k : you might get it the next day - though there are certain probabilities for certain devices, of course. |
| 16:56.23 | \amethyst | GNU_Style: you said "orecise" |
| 16:56.31 | wols | redrain: do you have a nf4 mobo? |
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| 16:56.39 | wols | redrain: if so, start the kernel with "noacpi" |
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| 16:57.07 | GNU_Style | \amethyst, ohh.. didnt notice that |
| 16:57.07 | amee2k | jengelh: sirely not for a NE2000 tbase2 card |
| 16:57.09 | amee2k | *surely |
| 16:57.12 | redrain | wols: No |
| 16:57.13 | GNU_Style | \amethyst, wats a typo anyway? |
| 16:57.22 | jengelh | GNU_Style : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typo |
| 16:57.25 | Ronin | GNU_Style: wats is considered a typo |
| 16:57.27 | jengelh | er, en.wiktionary.org/ |
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| 16:57.58 | tralala | GNU_Style: typo = typing mistake (mistyping) |
| 16:57.59 | jengelh | amee2k : your harddisk small? |
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| 16:58.07 | jengelh | typo = abbreviation for typographic error |
| 16:58.09 | amee2k | jengelh: yep |
| 16:58.13 | jengelh | amee2k : like? |
| 16:58.14 | \amethyst | GNU_Style: short for "typographic error". Originally, it referred to misprints in a book introduced during the typesetting process, but now it also refers to typing mistakes. |
| 16:58.19 | amee2k | 250M |
| 16:58.24 | jengelh | oops ;) |
| 16:58.26 | wols | amee2k: then don't run discover and hotplug and keep your /etc/modules tidy manually |
| 16:58.48 | jengelh | amee2k : in that case, you're probably even better off compiling it from ground to remove all possible nonsense you don't need |
| 16:58.56 | GNU_Style | thanks, |
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| 16:59.16 | amee2k | jengelh: you mean gentoo or lfs? |
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| 16:59.19 | GNU_Style | is compiling my kernel worht it? |
| 16:59.24 | wols | amee2k: no we mean kernel-package |
| 16:59.33 | amee2k | aic |
| 16:59.34 | redrain | \amethyst: Any idea? |
| 16:59.48 | wols | GNU_Style: I only use debian ones for installing. and probably many/most old debian users do so too |
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| 17:00.08 | quitte | hi. im trying to get dri working with a via epia board. everything looks fine in the log but glxinfo says that dri is not enabled |
| 17:00.09 | wols | geemark: a friend new to debian said his boot times improved after a custom kernel. YMMV |
| 17:00.11 | tarzeau | WHOA MY TV WORKS AGAIN |
| 17:00.12 | jengelh | amee2k : nah, just grab the kernel sourcetree and compile away. You might use dpkg or whatever to automatize it to some degree. |
| 17:00.19 | tarzeau | ok the webcam is the only thing left |
| 17:00.23 | GNU_Style | wols, wat do you mean basically? |
| 17:00.36 | \amethyst | redrain: Other than trying a later kernel, I don't really know. The drive doesn't seem to want to answer the kernel when it asks "how big is this blank?" |
| 17:00.42 | wols | that many people use custom krenels |
| 17:00.43 | tarzeau | has someone else got a quickcam? is the driver in the 2.6 kernel now? or should i try to get this qc-usb-source thing working? |
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| 17:01.00 | tarzeau | many people HAVE TO use custom kernels |
| 17:01.01 | \amethyst | redrain: have the disks this have failed on been partially burned, or are they still pristine? |
| 17:01.04 | wols | !kernel-package |
| 17:01.04 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 17:01.12 | tarzeau | because debian kernels just don't work anymore on hardware you buy this year |
| 17:01.19 | wols | amee2k: follow what dpkg said |
| 17:01.23 | tarzeau | but yes make-kpkg is fantastic |
| 17:01.46 | wols | vanilla kernel source from kernel.org + make-kpkg = bliss |
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| 17:01.48 | jengelh | redrain : a CDROM drive? |
| 17:01.50 | geemark | wols: boot time? huh? |
| 17:01.53 | redrain | \amethyst: No, it doesn't burns, just stops on burning |
| 17:01.56 | \amethyst | quitte: You'll want to look in /var/log/X{org,Free86}.0.log |
| 17:01.59 | wols | geemark: sorry. bad nick complete |
| 17:02.05 | redrain | jengelh: ASUS CD/DVD RW |
| 17:02.09 | \amethyst | redrain: And you're certain these are the correct type of media? |
| 17:02.16 | amee2k | tarzeau: i got one working for a friend some time ago. there was a kernel driver iirc but google for quickcam linux howtos. there are quite a lot |
| 17:02.19 | wols | redrain: what type of mobo do you have? |
| 17:02.27 | redrain | \amethyst: Yes |
| 17:02.28 | jengelh | redrain : Maybe hotplug/udev/etc accesses the device during burning? Deactivate them. |
| 17:02.30 | \amethyst | redrain: if they are, I can't think of what to do other than trying a new kernel, new drive, and/or new motherboard |
| 17:02.36 | quitte | \amethyst: i already looked there. and as i said everything is fine there. dri and drm enabled. definately no problem there |
| 17:02.47 | \amethyst | quitte: are you using Xinerama? |
| 17:03.01 | tarzeau | amee2k: was that with 2.6 kernel of linux? |
| 17:03.07 | quitte | \amethyst: no |
| 17:03.20 | redrain | wols: It's a via chipset for AMD |
| 17:03.56 | amee2k | tarzeau: i think it was but not sure. in case it was 2.4, the driver should still be on 2.6 anyway |
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| 17:04.07 | \amethyst | quitte: what about xdpyinfo? |
| 17:04.33 | wols | redrain: if you change the kernel anyways, might as well be the latest imho. even when 2.6.16 is now |
| 17:04.39 | quitte | \amethyst: what do you want to know there? |
| 17:04.48 | \amethyst | quitte: Does it list the modules one would expect? |
| 17:05.06 | \amethyst | quitte: Unf. I can't remember the name, and can't check because I don't have DRI :) |
| 17:05.07 | redrain | jengelh: lsof /dev/hdd output: cdrecord. 5401 redrain 3u BLK 22,64 2986 /dev/hdd | cdrecord. 5403 root 3u BLK 22,64 2986 /dev/hdd |
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| 17:05.34 | quitte | \amethyst: dri drm and glx are in the list |
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| 17:05.38 | redrain | wols \amethyst jengelh thank you... |
| 17:05.54 | \amethyst | redrain: good luck |
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| 17:06.54 | \amethyst | quitte: and xdriinfo says "not direct rendering capable"? |
| 17:06.56 | tarzeau | oh tvtime is great |
| 17:07.34 | quitte | \amethyst: it says Screen:0 unichrome |
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| 17:08.24 | \amethyst | quitte: now that's interesting |
| 17:08.53 | onweald_tim | I am missing "ip" on my debian sarge system and can't figure out how to get it. This is what I have tried: |
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| 17:09.00 | onweald_tim | II have searched aptitude for "ip" which, of course, gave me everything under the sun. So I expanded "net" under uninstalled. But it doesn't tell me which package has the file "ip". |
| 17:09.04 | \amethyst | quitte: it sounds like a problem with the GL libraries, but I'm not sure what |
| 17:09.43 | onweald_tim | I don't want the answer for where "ip" is. I just want to know how to find programs in packages. Is there a way to search for "ip" or other apps? |
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| 17:10.06 | wols | onweald_tim: packages.debian.org |
| 17:10.07 | \amethyst | quitte: Are you using Xorg or XFree86, and what version? |
| 17:10.32 | quitte | \amethyst: xorg. latest sid. |
| 17:10.47 | onweald_tim | wols: The problem with packages.debian.org is that it returns everything that contains "ip". I want only the file "ip". |
| 17:11.03 | onweald_tim | i.e. A TON of packages are returned so it is difficult to find the right one. |
| 17:11.12 | blondie | grep |
| 17:11.14 | wols | onweald_tim: then you'd look for "bin/ip" of course |
| 17:11.15 | blondie | oh |
| 17:11.22 | wols | but I have it here: iproute |
| 17:11.36 | onweald_tim | wols: Ahhh. |
| 17:11.36 | \amethyst | quitte: and what GL package do you have? xlibmesa-gl ? |
| 17:11.44 | quitte | \amethyst: yes |
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| 17:11.45 | fugit | onweald_tim: you could use dpkg example dpkg -S /usr/bin/vim |
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| 17:11.48 | onweald_tim | 'course that means I would have to know where ip would normally be installed. |
| 17:12.03 | onweald_tim | fugit: Thanks. I'll check that out. |
| 17:12.16 | wols | fugit: not if he wants to install it in the first place. if he already has it, this is the best way of course. used it myself |
| 17:12.32 | wols | onweald_tim: "locate bin/ip" will do the trick |
| 17:13.02 | wols | debian has a scheme to put files on disk. this is not windows. binaries are in a bin directory |
| 17:13.19 | onweald_tim | wols: But if ip is not installed, locate wouldn't work. |
| 17:13.31 | wols | then pdo will |
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| 17:14.24 | fugit | onweald_tim: if its not installed then dpkg won't work either ;-( if that is the case the web is your best bet per other suggestions |
| 17:14.42 | onweald_tim | wols: I'm thinking of a holistic approach. e.g. What if I wanted to search for where "README" is. |
| 17:14.44 | StereoSkit | dudes, the nagios .deb mantainer is in the room? |
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| 17:14.57 | onweald_tim | fugit: That is sad. I love aptitude but this seems like a missing feature. |
| 17:15.00 | wols | unless you know more of it: you're out of luck |
| 17:15.00 | azeem | StereoSkit: it's a channel rather than a room |
| 17:15.11 | onweald_tim | fugit: An important one for us newbies. :-) |
| 17:15.15 | wols | but you should at least know for which software you'd want "README" |
| 17:15.20 | StereoSkit | k, dudes, the nagios .deb mantainer is in the channel? |
| 17:15.32 | onweald_tim | wols: bad example... But you get the picture |
| 17:15.35 | wols | StereoSkit: very unlikely |
| 17:15.42 | \amethyst | quitte: just checking, what is the value of DISPLAY when you're running glxinfo? |
| 17:15.52 | wols | onweald_tim: yes I do. dpkg, apt-cache and pdo are your main tools for such stuff |
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| 17:15.56 | wols | and they are very very good |
| 17:15.57 | quitte | \amethyst: i found the problem. the following command showed a library missing: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 17:16.05 | azeem | StereoSkit: why do you need them? |
| 17:16.09 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 17:16.10 | \amethyst | aha |
| 17:16.25 | \amethyst | quitte: which library? for future reference |
| 17:16.36 | quitte | unichrome_dri.so |
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| 17:17.44 | \amethyst | quitte: hmm |
| 17:17.47 | StereoSkit | azeem: i update yesterday my testing debian where nagios1.x is installed, it showed me a conf file to Install or Delete, i then maximize my xterm and all got confusing, in resume, i screwed my nagios, i want to know what changes were made to correct it |
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| 17:17.53 | onweald_tim | wols: No such thing as pdo on my system. But I'll check out dpkg and apt-cache. Meanwhile, I'll use your suggestion for bin\ip. Thanks! |
| 17:17.58 | StereoSkit | *updated |
| 17:18.04 | wols | onweald_tim: pdo= packages.debian.org |
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| 17:18.16 | onweald_tim | hehehe... thanks |
| 17:18.19 | \amethyst | quitte: so you'll need libgl1-mesa-dri instead |
| 17:18.21 | onweald_tim | <--- newbie |
| 17:18.33 | \amethyst | quitte: instead of xlibmesa-gl, that is |
| 17:18.34 | azeem | StereoSkit: see whether .dpkg-dist files or so are left, those are backups made by dpkg |
| 17:18.37 | wols | StereoSkit: purge nagios and reinstall. look at the changelog |
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| 17:19.15 | StereoSkit | reinstall nagios~, i have many configs files wouldnt it be deleted? |
| 17:19.38 | wols | then doo what azeem said |
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| 17:19.59 | quitte | \amethyst: yes. dpkg told me |
| 17:20.27 | quitte | \amethyst: and it works. thanks a lot |
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| 17:20.55 | \amethyst | quitte: yay |
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| 17:22.30 | \amethyst | StereoSkit: did it make a .dpkg-old for the modified files? |
| 17:23.03 | quitte | dpkg: dri is also read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 17:23.03 | dpkg | quitte: okay |
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| 17:23.29 | StereoSkit | \amethyst: im looking at the only file with .dpkg-old but it is dated 2005 |
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| 17:23.49 | \amethyst | StereoSkit: you'd modified your config since then, I guess? |
| 17:24.01 | kryl | bye |
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| 17:24.54 | StereoSkit | \amethyst: yes, well, the admin before me, in the yestyerday update i failed to edit the changes it was making, so now i cant correct it |
| 17:25.23 | azeem | StereoSkit: you can extract the config file from the .deb |
| 17:25.45 | \amethyst | StereoSkit: Which option did you end up selecting? |
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| 17:27.24 | StereoSkit | \amethyst: Install, i was looking at the differences between the files, and maximize && minimize my xterm so... accidentally i typed, q, then i |
| 17:27.50 | \amethyst | StereoSkit: So just restore the old config off your backup tapes |
| 17:27.54 | StereoSkit | azeem: good, ill have to give apt a more in depth lecture, i hope i can correct it |
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| 17:28.22 | StereoSkit | \amethyst: backup tapes~ |
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| 17:28.28 | nn- | what's debian's prefered way set the lists of hosts that are allowed to connect to the X-server? |
| 17:28.43 | \amethyst | StereoSkit: I'm pretty sure you just lost your old configuration, then |
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| 17:29.42 | StereoSkit | well ill have to check the .deb file as azeem sugested |
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| 17:29.57 | \amethyst | StereoSkit: that will have the default config, but not any custom changes you made |
| 17:30.09 | azeem | StereoSkit: or, as I suggested, see whether dpkg left a backup with an extension of the config file |
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| 17:31.08 | StereoSkit | azeem: theres two but the date are from months ago |
| 17:31.37 | Vegar | How do I get mouse 8/9 (back/forward buttons) working with the new evdev driver in xorg? |
| 17:31.38 | StereoSkit | \amethyst: no prob, i just want to detect (at least) wich file was changed |
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| 17:33.10 | tarzeau | qcam says: /usr/src/modules/qc-usb-source/qc-driver.c:3031: error: unknown field ‘owner’ specified in initializer |
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| 17:33.30 | jengelh | I removed /etc/disable_64_gcc, but this only works for gcc (3.3 from Debian3.1). What do I need to do to also make that effective for /usr/bin/gcc-3.4? |
| 17:33.40 | Gumby | does anyone here know much about the nvidia video card xorg modules? Ive run the nvidia one-liner given to me by dpkg as I have done in the past and edited the xorg.conf to use nvidia instead of nv but Xorg.0.log is telling me that nvidia module doesnt exist |
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| 17:35.40 | nn- | Gumby: what kernel are you running? |
| 17:35.42 | tarzeau | !NTP |
| 17:35.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 17:35.42 | Stevie-O | At the sound of the ping the time will be Wed Mar 29 12:35:42 2006 *ping* |
| 17:35.47 | azeem | StereoSkit: so maybe that's when you last edited themß |
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| 17:35.48 | azeem | ? |
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| 17:36.05 | Gumby | nn-: 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 17:36.22 | StereoSkit | azeem: yes i think it is |
| 17:36.34 | nn- | Gumby: i had no problems with that version |
| 17:36.53 | azeem | StereoSkit: so you have your old version, and you can get the current version from the .deb |
| 17:36.57 | azeem | just sync the two |
| 17:37.35 | Gumby | nn-: is your xorg.conf driver for your video card nvidia or nv? |
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| 17:38.11 | StereoSkit | tnx a lot, im onto it xD |
| 17:38.46 | nn- | Gumby: "nvidia" |
| 17:38.50 | Gumby | hrm |
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| 17:39.08 | nn- | Gumby: "nv" is the os-driver |
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| 17:39.26 | Gumby | nn-: yes, I know. I have no idea why mine wont work with nvidia. |
| 17:39.44 | sargeblaster | Hey all, how do I install Debian 'sid' on my computer? Do I just do a apt-get dist-upgrade or do I need to do stuff? |
| 17:40.07 | Gumby | fileserver:/storage/backup# lsmod |grep nv |
| 17:40.07 | Gumby | nvidia 4088720 0 (among others) |
| 17:40.10 | Gumby | (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 17:40.10 | Gumby | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 17:40.22 | nn- | sargeblaster: guess what the dist in dist-upgrade stands for.. |
| 17:40.41 | sargeblaster | nn-: how do you specify what dist? |
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| 17:40.58 | Gumby | sargeblaster: have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:40.59 | nn- | sargeblaster: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:41.08 | sargeblaster | oh okay |
| 17:41.15 | Gumby | nn-: which xorg version? |
| 17:41.24 | sargeblaster | which is the next stable version of debain? sid or etch? |
| 17:41.31 | sargeblaster | or is it remainig sarge? |
| 17:41.47 | tarzeau | sargeblaster: etch |
| 17:41.55 | tarzeau | sid is always sid, and unstable |
| 17:41.57 | GoAuLd | sargeblaster, stable= sarge , etch = testing, sid = sid |
| 17:42.04 | sargeblaster | tarzeau: when is it expected? |
| 17:42.09 | tarzeau | sargeblaster: winter 2006 |
| 17:42.10 | Gumby | sargeblaster: stable->testing->unstable->experimental sarge->testing->sid->?? |
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| 17:42.18 | Gumby | errr |
| 17:42.23 | Gumby | second testing should be etch IIRC |
| 17:42.35 | tarzeau | but say that exerimental is an addon, and not complete |
| 17:42.41 | tarzeau | and it's not in the normal life of a debian package |
| 17:42.43 | quitte | Gumby: experimentasl has no such name |
| 17:42.57 | jengelh | how to make sid available in apt-get? |
| 17:43.02 | tarzeau | quitte: we could call it penis |
| 17:43.07 | tarzeau | jengelh: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 17:43.11 | tarzeau | jengelh: man 5 sources.list |
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| 17:43.19 | jengelh | sources.list, that's the keyword... |
| 17:43.38 | quitte | tarzeau: there is no penis in toy story |
| 17:43.55 | tarzeau | quitte: are you sure? |
| 17:44.07 | quitte | tarzeau: pretty sure,yes |
| 17:44.08 | nn- | Gumby: dunno, but your problem doesnt seem to be related to the xserver |
| 17:44.23 | tarzeau | quitte: andy's mom has a plastic penis under her bed! i'm sure |
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| 17:44.58 | Gumby | nn-: it does somewhat, its the xserver that cant find the module. |
| 17:45.22 | nn- | Gumby: what happens if you type "modprobe nvidia"? |
| 17:45.57 | Gumby | nn-: I already shows what lsmod says regarding nvidia up there ^^^ ... the module loads fine |
| 17:46.17 | nn- | Gumby: i came in too late :) |
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| 17:46.57 | Gumby | nn-: lol, it was right after you told me " "nv" is the os-driver" hehe |
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| 17:47.53 | nn- | Gumby: oops |
| 17:48.23 | nn- | Gumby: sry then |
| 17:48.27 | Gumby | nn-: what versions do you get for dpkg -l *xorg* |
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| 17:49.27 | nn- | Gumby: it's 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 |
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| 17:49.54 | Gumby | hrm |
| 17:50.06 | Gumby | and you used the "debian one-liner"? |
| 17:50.31 | tarzeau | hahaha firefox cracks me up |
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| 17:50.51 | Gumby | tarzeau: you should see a Dr about that |
| 17:50.57 | tarzeau | if you have a link with hover over other font... the shitness keeps switching between the two when the one font is a bit taller. and eats up 100% cpu |
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| 17:51.25 | tarzeau | Gumby: i should stop using this browser. but some webpages don't work without it, and there's still no internet explorer for my system |
| 17:51.46 | StereoSkit | can rollback be done in debian? |
| 17:51.50 | Gumby | I'd sooner use up 100% cpu than use internet exploder |
| 17:51.53 | d0uglas | StereoSkit: no |
| 17:51.54 | tarzeau | StereoSkit: of package installs? |
| 17:51.57 | _gass_ | does debian-patch-vserver from sarge applies also to 2.4.27 kernel? |
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| 17:52.02 | StereoSkit | tarzeau: yes |
| 17:52.11 | \amethyst | tarzeau: what about Opera? |
| 17:52.18 | tarzeau | StereoSkit: no but you nkow about /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 17:52.24 | tarzeau | \amethyst: not free software |
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| 17:52.34 | \amethyst | tarzeau: neither is Internet Explorer |
| 17:52.43 | d0uglas | rolling back on debian is very sketchy |
| 17:52.46 | tarzeau | \amethyst: true, but i like internet explorer |
| 17:52.53 | nn- | Gumby: I ran the nvidia installer |
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| 17:53.06 | \amethyst | tarzeau: Mac or Windows? |
| 17:53.15 | StereoSkit | tarzeau: a log~ it's our preciousssss |
| 17:53.30 | tarzeau | \amethyst: on mac i like safari |
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| 17:54.05 | \amethyst | tarzeau: what about konqueror then? |
| 17:54.21 | StereoSkit | found it~ \o/ |
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| 17:54.47 | tarzeau | \amethyst: ok but just that kde stuff it loads and stuff oh well |
| 17:54.50 | tarzeau | not the fastest thing |
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| 17:55.08 | \amethyst | tarzeau: neither is firefox :) |
| 17:55.09 | StereoSkit | 2006-03-28 16:10:13 conffile /etc/nagios-plugins/config/check_nrpe.cfg install |
| 17:55.16 | StereoSkit | this was --^ |
| 17:55.21 | nn- | firefox has become bloatware imho |
| 17:55.29 | \amethyst | `has become'? |
| 17:55.32 | nn- | :) |
| 17:55.48 | \amethyst | Phoenix was bloatware already |
| 17:55.50 | d0uglas | it was badass when it didn't need to be installed to run |
| 17:55.57 | \amethyst | just slightly less bloat than seamonkey |
| 17:55.59 | nn- | ff needs longer to startup on my athlon xp than opera on a pIII |
| 17:55.59 | d0uglas | jumped the shark after phoenix |
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| 17:56.48 | abrotman | nn-: become? |
| 17:57.25 | nn- | is there a way to keep ff resident in memory to speed up the startup? |
| 17:57.33 | nn- | I remember mozilla had such a feature |
| 17:57.38 | abrotman | my life will be complete when they open source Opera and Total Annihilation |
| 17:57.43 | eeyore- | nn-: ff? |
| 17:57.48 | nn- | eeyore-: firefox.. |
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| 17:58.04 | eeyore- | nn-: start it once, it should be in cache |
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| 17:59.50 | nn- | eeyore-: yes, maybe i should just include in my startup script |
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| 18:00.57 | Gumby | nn-: I figured it out :) nvidia-GLX package wasnt installed |
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| 18:02.59 | eeyore- | nn-: why bother? :-) how long does it take firefox to start up for yo? |
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| 18:03.06 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've got about 50 system users which username are user[id here]. they all are members of the groups user[their id]. Question: what is the easiest way to make all them members of a 'newgroup' whick would be their primary group? |
| 18:03.16 | eeyore- | nn-: if it bugs you, why not use epiphany? |
| 18:03.19 | bernd | hi, how can i play mp4 video files whicht pakages i need? |
| 18:04.28 | eeyore- | hid: take them all out of private groups and lump them in generic group? easy. sed. |
| 18:04.35 | eeyore- | hid3: ^^ |
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| 18:05.05 | hid3 | thanks, will try to read about that tool |
| 18:05.10 | ken | quick question about grub -- it *is* possible to boot off a SATA controller card, right ? |
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| 18:06.17 | wols | ken: yes. if said controller has a BIOS |
| 18:06.24 | eeyore- | hid3: basically, if you have a pattern, sed can replace it |
| 18:06.55 | ken | wols: yeah -- btw, thanks again for your help yesterday -- eeyore-, you too |
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| 18:07.25 | eeyore- | hid3: sed -e "s/user[a-z]*:/newgroup/" < /etc/group > /tmp/newgroup, you'll want to fine tune the sed command so it doesn't indiscriminately substitute other things, too :-) you have been warned! |
| 18:07.26 | ken | wols: it's a Promise TX4 card, and grub is installed on the first drive, when I boot however, i get a "Grub Hard Disk Error" |
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| 18:07.30 | wols | basically if you have BIOS support for some controller, it will work. if not: not |
| 18:07.42 | hid3 | eeyore-: thanks |
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| 18:08.02 | wols | ken: where is your stage1.5 and stage2? |
| 18:08.13 | wols | devicename I mean |
| 18:08.20 | ken | wols: /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:08.28 | eeyore- | hid3: sed -e "s/:user[a-z]*:/newgroup/" < /etc/group > /tmp/newgroup could possibly limit the substitution to :user....: (surrounded by :0 |
| 18:08.37 | eeyore- | hid3: uh, surrounded by ":" |
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| 18:09.08 | wols | should work then :( |
| 18:09.14 | ken | wols: is there a way to determine if the drives are visible from BIOS ? |
| 18:09.28 | EcoDj | ciao a tutti |
| 18:09.30 | wols | ken: boot dosk, use fdisk |
| 18:09.33 | ken | wols: because clearly, i'm getting a grub error specifically, when i try to boot those drives |
| 18:09.33 | wols | *dos |
| 18:09.39 | loca|host | hello all, am here for an advise ... not a technical question |
| 18:09.51 | zamaliphe | i need a gui kde prog that i can use to show man pages??? |
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| 18:09.58 | loca|host | am about to start a new open source consulting company, based on debian linux |
| 18:09.59 | eeyore- | ken: when you boot (during POST) doesn't the tx4 show up with drive probing? then, it's in the bios. |
| 18:10.02 | eeyore- | ke: do this for me |
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| 18:10.12 | ken | eeyore-: yes it does |
| 18:10.13 | eeyore- | ken: boot to grub, go into grub command |
| 18:10.17 | loca|host | am searching a good slogan for the company, the company name is TriTUX |
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| 18:10.37 | ken | eeyore-: i mean, the bios sees the drive, cuz like, you know, "grub hard drive error" |
| 18:10.43 | ken | wols: see last msg ... heh |
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| 18:10.52 | abrotman | loca|host: do you really need a slogan? |
| 18:10.56 | abrotman | how about a motto instead! |
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| 18:11.08 | loca|host | abrotman, yes |
| 18:11.18 | loca|host | i would like to hear from you :) |
| 18:11.26 | abrotman | i have a slogan!! |
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| 18:11.38 | ken | eeyore-: ok, i'm going into the grub command off of the working pata drive ... |
| 18:11.44 | abrotman | "TriTUX - We're more than just a couple of dorks that know our shit!" |
| 18:11.47 | loca|host | i have some, like : linux based solutions, open source solutions and so, i need an original 'professional' one |
| 18:11.59 | abrotman | shit isn't professional ? |
| 18:12.03 | ken | eeyore-: i'm in the grub shell |
| 18:12.14 | loca|host | abrotman, am serious |
| 18:12.20 | eeyore- | ken: ok, tell me how many drives you have in the system *now* |
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| 18:12.52 | abrotman | loca|host: your slogan should be something personal probably .. asking a bunch of people in a chat room isn't constructive |
| 18:12.54 | ken | eeyore-: i'm looking through teh grub help command -- i'm not very familiar with grub |
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| 18:13.15 | submarineshaun | under debian, are the serail ports /dev/ttySx /dev/ttysx or something else? |
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| 18:13.33 | abrotman | ttySx |
| 18:13.56 | submarineshaun | thanks |
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| 18:14.14 | submarineshaun | out of intrest, no one here has an AC97 modem working, have they? |
| 18:14.40 | ken | eeyore-: interesting ... |
| 18:14.56 | cureless | loca|host: what product are you selling, do you have a website alredy? |
| 18:15.07 | EcoDj | c'è ness1 italiano ke potrebbe darmi 1a mano? |
| 18:15.10 | loca|host | abrotman, if u have no response to my question, then dont comment |
| 18:15.14 | cureless | !it |
| 18:15.14 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:15.30 | loca|host | cureless, no, but we're developing under linux |
| 18:15.31 | abrotman | loca|host: i just told you .. asking us is a pretty bad idea .. if you don't like my comment .. use /ignore |
| 18:15.52 | ken | woot ! |
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| 18:16.00 | ken | got to grub "lodaing stage 1.5" this time |
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| 18:16.02 | abrotman | wow .. people developing under linux .. there's a novel idea .. let's make a slogan! |
| 18:16.02 | ken | yay! |
| 18:16.02 | cureless | loca|host: so what brought you here specifically to ask for a slogan? Why not ##linux? |
| 18:16.09 | ken | "grub loading please wait .." |
| 18:16.24 | ken | eeyore-: i was able to boot grub and then before the kernel was loaded, do a setup (hd1) |
| 18:16.31 | wols | loca|host: not to mention it's offtopic. which would mean it's the wrong place. go to #startup or whatever |
| 18:16.35 | darkness | Can anyone help me with a man link for setting up tor? |
| 18:16.40 | ken | eeyore-:i'm assuming it sees the SATA drive then |
| 18:16.46 | abrotman | DarKnesS: server or client? |
| 18:16.54 | loca|host | ok am already there |
| 18:16.57 | loca|host | thanks all |
| 18:16.58 | wols | tor.eff.org. but apart from apt-get install tor, not much to do |
| 18:17.00 | darkness | Client abrotman. |
| 18:17.11 | abrotman | DarKnesS: torify <app> .. enjoy |
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| 18:17.54 | eeyore- | ken: sorry, was away. resetting voicemail box |
| 18:17.55 | nn- | eeyore-: i would say it needs about 10-20 secs to startup.. what is epiphany? |
| 18:17.58 | eeyore- | ken: where were we again? |
| 18:18.16 | eeyore- | ken: how many drives do you have connected to the system *at this time*? |
| 18:18.19 | ken | eeyore-: no problem, going into grub shell -- which i did -- you asked how many drives were there |
| 18:18.35 | zamaliphe | i need a gui prog that i can use to show man pages??? any help plees |
| 18:18.48 | cureless | zamaliphe: xman |
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| 18:18.55 | ken | eeyore-: 1 pata connected to motherboard on channel 1, and 4 sata connected via a Promise TX4 PCI controller |
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| 18:19.11 | eeyore- | ken: the reason i ask is grub uses bios' idea of drive numbers. so if you keep plugging and unplugging drives, then the drive number would move around :-) |
| 18:19.25 | eeyore- | ken: unless you absolutely need to, you shouldn't be plugging and unplugging drives |
| 18:19.31 | ken | eeyore-: right |
| 18:19.45 | eeyore- | ken: so, again, are you not able to get into grub shell when the PATA drive is not attached? |
| 18:19.47 | ken | eeyore-: i've just been changing the boot sequence in the bios + rebooting |
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| 18:20.05 | abrotman | eeyore-: if you don't have anything good to say .. don't talk to me! |
| 18:20.07 | ken | eeyore-: no i am not, but bios is definitely trying to use grub |
| 18:20.12 | eeyore- | abrotman: huh? |
| 18:20.29 | darkfires | abrotman pussssssssssssssyyyyy |
| 18:20.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: exactly! |
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| 18:20.39 | zamaliphe | xman is thir is some thing else??:cureless |
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| 18:21.00 | ken | eeyore-: i booted off of the PATA drive and then entered the grub shell and was able to do a setup (hd1) |
| 18:21.18 | abrotman | catches ? |
| 18:21.20 | _gass_ | catches* |
| 18:21.24 | ecdemo | caches |
| 18:21.39 | ken | eeyore-: so instead of getting a "grub hard drive error" now i'm getting "GRUB loading stage 1.5." "GRUB Loading, please wait..." "Error 15" |
| 18:21.55 | sepski | if there is a debian sarge, with default dhcp interface that booted up while the dhcp server was unavailable. is there a default ip address. or can you remotely trigger a new search for ip address, i do know the mac address of the interface, or is the only way with physical access |
| 18:22.06 | eeyore- | ken: ok, now on bios hd1, what are the partitions? |
| 18:22.33 | abrotman | sepski: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:22.36 | ecdemo | sepski: no, there is not a default. at that point you have to configure the net manually |
| 18:22.36 | _gass_ | sepski: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:22.38 | cureless | zamaliphe:tkman |
| 18:22.43 | _gass_ | abrotman: you bitch |
| 18:22.56 | sepski | i said. remotly. i know how to do it manualy :) |
| 18:23.03 | _gass_ | eccf: dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 18:23.20 | zamaliphe | cureless thanks alot |
| 18:23.33 | sepski | no way using magic packets or arptriggers or anything. |
| 18:23.35 | ecdemo | remotely?? how can you do it remotely when the net isn't configured yet? |
| 18:23.45 | _gass_ | abrotman: do you know if debian's vserver patch also applies to 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 18:23.49 | sepski | ecdemo, exactly |
| 18:23.53 | cureless | zamaliphe: the kde / gnome help systems might display man pages. Not to mention the many man-page websites around, you can always browse to the man page you need. |
| 18:24.03 | ecdemo | how remote is it? |
| 18:24.09 | abrotman | _gass_: i have no idea .. but if it applies to 2.6 .. doubt it would work on 2.4 |
| 18:24.11 | ken | eeyore-: /dev/sda1 == 128mb standard extension 3 (/boot), /dev/sda2 == 159gb partition for a raid level 5 (/), /dev/sda3 ~== 900mb for raid5 swap |
| 18:24.14 | ecdemo | next to you? 300 miles away? |
| 18:24.22 | sepski | ecdemo, it's not very remote. i just though it was a nice case. |
| 18:24.33 | eeyore- | ken: and /dev/sda1 has what files and directory in it? |
| 18:24.52 | _gass_ | abrotman: it applies to 2.6 ? |
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| 18:25.05 | abrotman | the patch ? |
| 18:25.14 | zamaliphe | cureless thanks i will try tkman |
| 18:25.26 | ken | eeyore-: standard /boot directory, so config file, vmlinuz, initrd, grub directory |
| 18:25.40 | ken | eeyore-: grub directory has stage1, and all the other correct stage files |
| 18:26.07 | _gass_ | abrotman: it works with 2.4 |
| 18:26.08 | eeyore- | ken: you're sure about that? :-) |
| 18:26.12 | eeyore- | ken: ok, nevermind |
| 18:26.14 | ecdemo | sepski: so you're saying something like "it might be nice if a new install could configure itself with a default IP so one could install remotely" |
| 18:26.17 | ken | eeyore-: positive |
| 18:26.25 | eeyore- | ken: in this grub shell now, do this |
| 18:26.27 | abrotman | _gass_: ok .. so what's the problem then ? |
| 18:26.36 | eeyore- | ken: root (hd1,0)<enter> |
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| 18:26.52 | _gass_ | abrotman: none ... now |
| 18:27.04 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:27.11 | ken | eeyore-: ok |
| 18:27.16 | nn- | eeyore-: does epiphany support ff addons & search plugins? |
| 18:27.18 | eeyore- | ken: find /stage1<enter> |
| 18:27.32 | eeyore- | nn-: very few. it's meant to be lightweight |
| 18:27.34 | ken | eeyore-: locks up the system |
| 18:27.36 | sepski | ecdemo, hmm more like it would be nice if the dhcp client would continue in the background if it doesnt get a lease at once. so that when the dhcp becomes available it gets a address. |
| 18:27.41 | eeyore- | ken: really?!?! |
| 18:27.41 | submarineshaun | humm, echo atdt3333 > /dev/ttyS2; no prompt until i hit ctl-c |
| 18:27.45 | ken | eeyore-: yeah |
| 18:27.45 | eeyore- | ken: locks up?!?!?! |
| 18:27.50 | submarineshaun | could there be a modem on the end of that? |
| 18:27.58 | resiak | there could be! |
| 18:27.59 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, can't change num lock light status ... |
| 18:28.03 | sepski | ecdemo, or perhaps like " ill set the darn thing to static on monday morning" :) |
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| 18:28.06 | abrotman | submarineshaun: try ttyS1 |
| 18:28.12 | ecdemo | sepski: on a new install? on a running system? |
| 18:28.17 | nn- | eeyore-: do you know whether it's possible to add search engines to operaß |
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| 18:28.19 | nn- | ? |
| 18:28.23 | eeyore- | ken: that doesn't sound right :-) is your TX4 card having DMA/interrupt conflict? does it require bus master? |
| 18:28.26 | ken | eeyore-: i had done that while running linux |
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| 18:28.29 | submarineshaun | i get a prompt straight away on ttyS1, neither can i hear any dial sounds |
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| 18:28.46 | ken | eeyore-: anyways, i had to kill grub from another shell, same behavior now |
| 18:28.57 | nn- | eeyore-: what i really like about opera is that they provide a static binary |
| 18:29.04 | eeyore- | ken: wait, you had to kill grub from another shell, what are we talking about? |
| 18:29.19 | eeyore- | ken: when i'm on a problem i'd like to concentrate on what's happening *now*, not what happened earlier |
| 18:29.21 | abrotman | submarineshaun: try minicon |
| 18:29.25 | abrotman | minicom |
| 18:29.30 | abrotman | comicon |
| 18:29.31 | eeyore- | ken: are you in the grub shell, very early into boot, or not? |
| 18:29.39 | abrotman | no .. really .. minicom |
| 18:29.39 | ken | eeyore-: i just booted into the grub shell, BEFORE i had attempted that command from booting a standard linux kernel |
| 18:29.39 | wols | submarineshaun: and the sounds are made by the modem |
| 18:29.48 | ecdemo | I'm gonna get my comic on |
| 18:29.49 | fabsmad | Hi! How can I set my firewall to allow TCP/UDP port 48620? |
| 18:29.52 | eeyore- | ken: ok, i don't want to know about that :-) |
| 18:29.54 | ken | eeyore-: yes, i'm right after POST |
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| 18:30.06 | eeyore- | ken: if you have this lock up problem after POST, it's not a good sign |
| 18:30.29 | ecdemo | fabsmad: depends on what your firewall is |
| 18:30.32 | eeyore- | ken: try another slot? |
| 18:30.40 | ken | eeyore-: yes, perhaps |
| 18:30.51 | eeyore- | ken: your motherboard manual should have a list of what PCI interrupt, what DMA each slot has |
| 18:31.04 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, fun stuff -- ;) |
| 18:31.07 | fabsmad | ecdemo: I'm using linux... |
| 18:31.10 | eeyore- | ken: it'd be a good idea to avoid sharing resources with some other "heavy" cards |
| 18:31.28 | sepski | ecdemo, on a remote system that rebooted while the dhcp server was down. it's not worse then the guys going to work there in the morning rebootes it again |
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| 18:31.38 | cureless | if it's more than 6 onces, don't share the same interrupt |
| 18:31.50 | ken | eeyore-: thing is though, i can manually issue the boot commands to grub via the grub shell, and i can boot onto the SATA card |
| 18:32.02 | eeyore- | ken: right, i'd expect that :-) |
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| 18:32.07 | fabsmad | ecdemo: have I to set up iptables? |
| 18:32.07 | ecdemo | sepski: maybe you could configure the dhcp to wait longer (or forever) |
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| 18:32.19 | eeyore- | ken: i don't think it's a serious problem that you're having |
| 18:32.24 | eeyore- | ken: just have to work through it |
| 18:32.49 | ken | eeyore-: yeah |
| 18:32.58 | ecdemo | fabsmad: if so, you'd want to read up on netfilter/iptables |
| 18:33.00 | ken | eeyore-: it's just frustrating, been spending a lot of time on this |
| 18:33.30 | fabsmad | I set up Azureus port on 48620. This is the problem: "DHT firewalled" |
| 18:33.33 | sepski | ecdemo, or jsut set it static :) |
| 18:33.38 | ecdemo | right |
| 18:33.42 | ecdemo | that'll do it too |
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| 18:34.04 | ecdemo | why do you have a remote on a dyn ip anyways? :) |
| 18:34.15 | eeyore- | ken: let me know when you've picked another slot and are back in the grub shell |
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| 18:34.35 | eeyore- | ken: have to go do costco run real soon now, so we can either do this in next 10 minutes, or wait after lunch? |
| 18:34.43 | fabsmad | I set up Azureus port on 48620. This is the problem: "DHT firewalled" What can I do? |
| 18:34.52 | eeyore- | ken: that's if you need me :-) |
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| 18:35.17 | ken | eeyore-: heh, thanks ofr your help, i'll try to play with it |
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| 18:35.27 | eeyore- | ken: what i was going to have you do is "root (hd1)", "find /grub/stage1" <- look at the output, make sure output is fine, and indicates (hd1,0)/.... |
| 18:35.34 | ken | eeyore-: i'm pretty sure though it's not a DMA / IRQ issue, i already checked that using lspci ... heh ;) |
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| 18:35.47 | Gumby | does anyone know which package might /msg dpkg lirc |
| 18:35.50 | Gumby | gah |
| 18:35.50 | eeyore- | ken: and then "setup (hd1)", and then do the manual kernel=... initrd=... command and "boot", all from grub shell |
| 18:36.00 | eeyore- | ken: well that's not entirely true |
| 18:36.07 | eeyore- | ken: (dma/interrupt) |
| 18:36.13 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, i can boot from the shell fine |
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| 18:36.33 | eeyore- | ken: your motherboard has PCI A and B channels, as well as slots that are bus-master capable and slots that are not bus master capable |
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| 18:36.46 | eeyore- | ken: plugging a bus-master required card into a non bus master = won't work |
| 18:37.01 | eeyore- | ken: you have to check to be sure |
| 18:37.01 | ken | eeyore-: hmm |
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| 18:37.20 | ken | eeyore-: would that mean though that I could still read data from it ? |
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| 18:37.43 | eeyore- | ken: well, what i don't like is you get a lock up *right after POST* |
| 18:37.55 | eeyore- | ken: that alone bugs me very very much irrespective of what else is going on |
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| 18:38.05 | ken | eeyore-: that's only when i issue the find command to the grub shell |
| 18:38.39 | eeyore- | ken: well ... does it truly matter? you still have a lock up :-) |
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| 18:39.08 | ken | eeyore-: true, but it does matter in a way, as i just need it to boot, and not necessarily need all the features of grub to work |
| 18:39.11 | eeyore- | ken: go back in the bios, disable peripherals you don't need (serial ports, parallel ports, onboard audio, etc.) |
| 18:39.12 | ecdemo | that would seem to be a hardware issue |
| 18:39.16 | simonrvn | can't fuck all when that happens ;) |
| 18:39.22 | ken | eeyore-: in a regular boot, i don't think the find command is issued ;) |
| 18:39.26 | simonrvn | do* |
| 18:39.29 | eeyore- | ken: disable IDE secondary port if you must |
| 18:39.41 | wols | simonrvn: you fucking all is scary |
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| 18:39.45 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, i'm going to, thanks for all your help |
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| 18:39.56 | simonrvn | wols: hehehe |
| 18:40.15 | eeyore- | costco run, here we come :-) time to restock the fridge |
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| 18:40.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: get some cookies! |
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| 18:40.41 | eeyore- | maybe i should have a poll up on the net --- "Help stock our fridge, decide what we should stock it up with" |
| 18:40.56 | ecdemo | see above :) |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | eeyore-: cow tails! |
| 18:40.59 | eeyore- | and post the URL to slashdot :-) |
| 18:41.02 | eeyore- | hahaha |
| 18:41.02 | helix | Phated: hmm... our timing is off. anyway I need to find a singaporean website that sells mobile phones and my google-fu is weak, so if you could help me out... :) |
| 18:41.14 | darkness | I've just set up privoxy and tor client side and sudo start them. How do i anonymous irc? |
| 18:41.26 | abrotman | helix: probably sleeping again .. hasn't said anything in a while |
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| 18:41.36 | abrotman | helix: maybe around 8-9PM EST ? might be better? |
| 18:41.38 | helix | yes, .sg is 12h ahead :) |
| 18:41.54 | helix | yeah |
| 18:41.57 | eeyore- | helix: why don't you just walk down the street to find a vendor? mobile/disposable phones are plentiful in singapore ... or, are you not in .sg? |
| 18:42.00 | helix | but just in case I miss her again |
| 18:42.04 | helix | eeyore-: I am not in .sg |
| 18:42.11 | eeyore- | helix: so why are you doing this? :-) |
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| 18:42.41 | helix | eeyore-: it's sort of complicated, but basically it boils down to my company having partners in .sg and me needing a new cellphone and being unwilling to pay for it myself |
| 18:42.47 | helix | eeyore-: so I have talked my boss into doing it |
| 18:42.49 | helix | also, quad-band |
| 18:43.04 | evilbulgarian | hi, whats the procedure to add all the sources ( stable, testing, unstable ) to apt.sources and prefer stable but when using the -t option to pull from the desired branch |
| 18:43.15 | ecdemo | what's quadband |
| 18:43.39 | eeyore- | helix: have your boss buy a GSM phone. it'll work everywhere :-) |
| 18:43.41 | ecdemo | as it applies to cells |
| 18:43.50 | DevilChaos | hi ive fucked up grubs went bonkers and wont let me in ive googled it and ther is alot of jargon someonme tell me how to rip it off an install cd and install it if possible or something else that can be done tried using a live cd to change the menu list but that hasnt worked either ? |
| 18:43.56 | eeyore- | helix: i just got a new Motorola (hellomoto!) Razr3 GSM |
| 18:44.06 | eeyore- | resi: didn't, a while ago. does, now. |
| 18:44.15 | helix | eeyore-: yeah they don't have those on my provider... |
| 18:44.21 | simonrvn | evilbulgarian: you don't |
| 18:44.24 | abrotman | crappy provider! |
| 18:44.27 | helix | word |
| 18:44.30 | DevilChaos | error 17 which is a cant mount partition |
| 18:44.36 | eeyore- | helix: go cingular ;-) |
| 18:44.44 | DevilChaos | i know but cant really do anything bout it |
| 18:44.44 | helix | I refuse to sign another contract |
| 18:44.50 | abrotman | have your boss sign! |
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| 18:44.52 | eeyore- | helix: have your company do it |
| 18:44.58 | eeyore- | helix: never sign it yourself :-p |
| 18:45.00 | helix | I refuse to have my company own my cell phone :) |
| 18:45.06 | abrotman | catch22! |
| 18:45.14 | darkness | abrotman, tor works great i just had to torify irssi :-P |
| 18:45.15 | eeyore- | helix: it's not *your* cell phone. it's the company cell phone |
| 18:45.25 | wols | darkness: socat |
| 18:45.26 | helix | my phone is not my company cell phone though |
| 18:45.29 | helix | and I don't want it to be |
| 18:45.32 | abrotman | DarKnesS: yes it does .. thank arma/weasel |
| 18:45.37 | abrotman | among others |
| 18:45.40 | helix | my boss is being nice. my phone is not for work |
| 18:45.44 | wols | tho, the lags are awful |
| 18:46.07 | eeyore- | helix: that's odd. i'd think you'd want to take advantage of having someone else foot the bill :-) |
| 18:46.23 | helix | eeyore-: well that means I am subject to their whims... |
| 18:46.34 | eeyore- | helix: anyhow, go to yahoo.com --- they have specific business sections for the country |
| 18:46.42 | DevilChaos | abrotman: any suggestions? |
| 18:46.46 | abrotman | froogle.google! |
| 18:46.55 | eeyore- | helix: directory -> regional -> countries -> singapore |
| 18:46.59 | helix | ahh |
| 18:47.00 | abrotman | DevilChaos: ask #grub ? no idea .. try a liveCD to get it running ? |
| 18:47.22 | simonrvn | evilbulgarian: mixing sources like that is death to the install |
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| 18:47.41 | simonrvn | damn, svn is really stalled up in ppc.... |
| 18:47.41 | ecdemo | DevilChaos are you booting off a drive where you have to change the bios boot order? |
| 18:47.58 | eeyore- | helix: i hardly ever get called on the company phone, so it's almost like my own :-) |
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| 18:48.12 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 18:48.38 | helix | eeyore-: heh |
| 18:48.44 | DevilChaos | no win xp wrote over it the bastarding thing I HATE BILL GATES hes a fanny!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:48.52 | PeregrineTux | i am trying to get ssh to work on RedHat 7.0 |
| 18:48.57 | DevilChaos | sorry for swearing |
| 18:49.03 | PeregrineTux | can any one help? |
| 18:49.11 | ecdemo | fanny is swearing? :) |
| 18:49.13 | Ronin | PeregrineTux: #redhat |
| 18:49.28 | Ronin | i hope not ecdemo :) |
| 18:49.29 | abrotman | on RH7 ? |
| 18:49.34 | PeregrineTux | yeah |
| 18:49.38 | Ronin | actuallyon or to rh? |
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| 18:50.08 | PeregrineTux | to redhat from windows |
| 18:50.10 | DevilChaos | ecdemo: well you see i needed to install xp to rip my music from a failing hard drive and was in the kind of process of trying to get grub to boot xp from a seperate hard drive |
| 18:50.26 | Ronin | so maybe you should ask in #redhat |
| 18:50.27 | DevilChaos | got it to do it restarted and grub gave me an error 17 |
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| 18:50.49 | hellojase | hello - i've just moved over to debian .. im running serge i need to get a newer version of libc6 i cant get apt to find it do i need to get the deb and try and install it from a local repository or is there somewhere i can stick in my source list? |
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| 18:51.16 | syntaxis | hellojase: why do you need a newer version? |
| 18:51.17 | ecdemo | serge! cool :) |
| 18:51.18 | SlayerXP | hellojase: why do you need a newer libc6? |
| 18:51.28 | submarineshaun | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 18:51.31 | hellojase | im trying to install ussp-push |
| 18:52.01 | DevilChaos | can i install grub from an install cd with the partitioning sofetware loaded? |
| 18:52.09 | hellojase | which needs a newer libbluetooth1, which needs a newer libc6 |
| 18:52.09 | ecdemo | hellojase: if you upgrade libc on a package-based dist, you will break it |
| 18:52.18 | SlayerXP | postel:~# apt-cache search ussp |
| 18:52.18 | SlayerXP | ussp-push - Client for OBEX PUSH |
| 18:52.46 | syntaxis | hellojase: try rebuilding libbluetooth1 against the version of libc6 present in Sarge |
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| 18:53.37 | hellojase | good idea.. i'll have a go |
| 18:54.00 | hellojase | cheers |
| 18:54.38 | ecdemo | unless you build the libc and install it in a dir that's not one of the well-known places and make sure that it's only used by the few things you want to build against it |
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| 18:55.54 | DevilChaos | nobodys talking to me in grub and have the grub manual open but not much good to me right now any help with what to do once inside with a live cd im using simply mepis |
| 18:55.57 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 18:56.21 | ecdemo | it won't be all that good until you read it :) |
| 18:56.29 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 18:57.09 | DevilChaos | tells me how to make a floppy but cant as it wont be for the right computer it would just boot my laptop no? |
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| 18:57.19 | ecdemo | grub is worth reading up on and doing whatever it takes to understand it |
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| 18:58.09 | ecdemo | very powerful, very flexible, grub shell at boot, tab key |
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| 18:58.56 | DevilChaos | ok im going to give it a shot making the floppy see where that gets me |
| 18:59.18 | ecdemo | you might be able to make a grub-only floppy |
| 18:59.33 | ecdemo | which drops you into grub shell when you boot on anything |
| 18:59.49 | Gumby | I'm trying to compile lirc modules but it cant seem to find the "build" directory for the kernel source. I have linux-source-2.6.15 installed as well as linux-headers-2.6.15 but there does not seem to be a compatible build directory in /usr/src. Am I missing something? |
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| 19:00.13 | ecdemo | but then booting will require knowledge of (1) your system and where the files needed for booting are and (2) grub |
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| 19:00.49 | DevilChaos | yup i know all the later of ur info and hopefully get it working |
| 19:01.19 | DevilChaos | ive managed to fuff it up like 12 times in the last few days |
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| 19:02.08 | ecdemo | I'm actually stuck in a similar position |
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| 19:05.02 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 19:05.02 | dpkg | Rock 0wnz! |
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| 19:06.20 | mo1991 | are there no 64 bit kernels in testing?? |
| 19:06.34 | ecdemo | maybe |
| 19:06.39 | wols | mo1991: only on amd64 branch of debian |
| 19:06.40 | ecdemo | have you checked :) |
| 19:06.43 | Eulex | !start a war war |
| 19:06.43 | dpkg | file system wars rule! |
| 19:06.45 | wols | why would there be otherwise |
| 19:06.58 | _gass_ | mo1991: amd64.debian.net |
| 19:06.58 | ecdemo | !start a barbie war |
| 19:06.58 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 19:07.19 | mo1991 | wols - I have to add the amd64.debian.net to my repositories? |
| 19:07.27 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 19:07.27 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 19:07.29 | abrotman | ask them |
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| 19:07.31 | DevilChaos | mo1991: you have to install from scratch for amd64 system |
| 19:07.38 | mo1991 | just got my 64 bit processor |
| 19:07.47 | DevilChaos | what did you get? |
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| 19:08.01 | mo1991 | amd 3200 I think is the name |
| 19:08.12 | wols | mo1991: no you have to INSTALL debian64 |
| 19:08.21 | DevilChaos | i got the 3700+ san deago |
| 19:08.29 | ecdemo | or use what you got |
| 19:08.34 | mo1991 | how come? I can't just install the 64 bit kernel? |
| 19:08.47 | mo1991 | sarge has some 64 bit kernels |
| 19:08.48 | abrotman | mo1991: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 19:09.00 | DevilChaos | because its completely different and packages are 64 bit orientated |
| 19:09.04 | ecdemo | it's going to be a VERY long time before I switch to 64b given that |
| 19:09.14 | wols | mo1991: cause userland needs to be 64bit too |
| 19:09.18 | abrotman | no |
| 19:09.27 | abrotman | that's not true .. you can have 32bit userland and a 64bit kernel |
| 19:09.28 | DevilChaos | yup that why im keeping a back up 32 on my system |
| 19:09.36 | wols | abrotman: yes. but it's only half the fun |
| 19:09.40 | wols | so why bother |
| 19:10.01 | abrotman | wols: i didn't say it was worth it .. i just said it was possible |
| 19:10.01 | ecdemo | can some of your userland be 64b and some 32b? |
| 19:10.05 | mo1991 | I just don't want to update right now - just wanted to see how much faster the 64 bit kernel is |
| 19:10.07 | unstable | abrotman: What would be the point of running a 64bit cpu then? Would you still see speed increases? |
| 19:10.13 | wols | ecdemo: yes |
| 19:10.20 | DevilChaos | super fast on my system |
| 19:10.20 | mo1991 | just from the kernel tho right |
| 19:10.22 | abrotman | probably not .. i'll let you know if any of you buy me an amd64 machine :) |
| 19:10.27 | unstable | lol, ok |
| 19:10.31 | ecdemo | then it sounds like switching gradually is possible |
| 19:10.39 | unstable | I'm too poor for 64 bit, so you'll have to let me know that's the only way I'll find out. |
| 19:10.53 | mo1991 | abrotman - are all of the debian packages available as amd64? |
| 19:11.02 | DevilChaos | fx chip is too dear and over rated |
| 19:11.06 | abrotman | ecdemo: they don't have multiarch running .. but you can do a chroot |
| 19:11.06 | mo1991 | I can't imagine they are all done |
| 19:11.10 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.10 | unstable | mo1991: A few people told you where to ask already. #debian-amd65 |
| 19:11.12 | unstable | mo1991: A few people told you where to ask already. #debian-amd64 |
| 19:11.16 | mo1991 | sorry |
| 19:11.26 | abrotman | mo1991: except flash and OO.o(1.x) .. those are the biggies .. dunno about what else |
| 19:11.26 | ecdemo | is that planned? |
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| 19:11.33 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 19:11.36 | abrotman | !biarch |
| 19:11.37 | abrotman | bah |
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| 19:12.00 | DevilChaos | mo1991: people are slow acting in there sorting problems of there own i think takes me ages to get an answer |
| 19:12.10 | unstable | !gnash |
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| 19:12.20 | unstable | !dpkg |
| 19:12.21 | dpkg | [dpkg] mad |
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| 19:12.44 | simonrvn | wtf keeps feeding the bot crap factoids |
| 19:12.49 | unstable | !gnash |
| 19:12.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for the Mozilla Firefox web browser. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the ... |
| 19:12.55 | abrotman | simonrvn: there's a good guess |
| 19:12.57 | simonrvn | !factinfo dpkg |
| 19:12.57 | dpkg | dpkg -- created by basix <n=basix@202.68.154.221> at Thu Feb 9 20:00:42 2006 (47 days). |
| 19:13.01 | unstable | Soon gnash will replace macromedia's flash and there won't be any 64 bit problems anymre. |
| 19:13.11 | abrotman | ahaha .. you wish |
| 19:13.19 | unstable | They're making lots of progress. |
| 19:13.26 | unstable | It's going into unstable soon.(gnash) |
| 19:13.28 | abrotman | can it play macromedia flash? |
| 19:13.31 | unstable | yes |
| 19:13.32 | abrotman | if it can't .. who cares |
| 19:13.32 | simonrvn | !forget dpkg |
| 19:13.33 | dpkg | i forgot dpkg, simonrvn |
| 19:13.43 | unstable | But some features don't work, but they're hacking up solutions as we speak. |
| 19:13.45 | abrotman | that's like saying that kaffe is useful |
| 19:13.50 | abrotman | unstable: oh .. so it doesn't work .. |
| 19:13.54 | unstable | lol |
| 19:14.06 | ecdemo | yet |
| 19:14.15 | unstable | it works pretty good so far, imho |
| 19:14.22 | unstable | It will play most swf files |
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| 19:14.27 | simonrvn | abrotman: "exception" in some net class, or ui, or ... |
| 19:14.31 | ecdemo | it's a similar situation to ntfs access from linux |
| 19:14.32 | abrotman | when it plays them all .. let me know |
| 19:14.36 | unstable | k |
| 19:14.47 | mo1991 | !chroot |
| 19:14.47 | dpkg | methinks chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 19:15.29 | gnufan | ecdemo: why would anyone format a partition on a Linux box with NTFS ;) |
| 19:15.45 | ecdemo | there is that |
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| 19:16.40 | roxy_ | I installed latex/bibitex on my stable/testing debian. Now bibtex is complaining of no plain.bst file. Apparently that file should come with bibtex :( |
| 19:16.56 | gnufan | ecdemo: on the other hand a flash player might be handy -- although today Firefox on Debian was beating IE on Windows, seems someone put a space character in the name of their flash animation and IE didn't manage to request it from the IIS servers ;) |
| 19:17.00 | rvsjoen | is there any way to connect to a port and check if any data is recieved, then disconnect and run a script ? I need to run a script if a specific service on a remote host is running |
| 19:17.07 | ecdemo | nevertheless, the driver is there, and they're basically guessing about it because ms doesn't release details... I'm comparing that situation to flash/gnash |
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| 19:17.42 | unstable | rvsjoen: Use nmap scripting. |
| 19:17.44 | unstable | !nmap |
| 19:17.44 | dpkg | methinks nmap is at http://www.insecure.org/nmap or a handy and useful security tool that will scan for open ports or able to determine the targets operating system in most cases. |
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| 19:18.05 | rvsjoen | I will look into it, thank you |
| 19:18.07 | gnufan | ecdemo: I thought flash was documented, or is the devil the licencing? |
| 19:18.12 | abrotman | rvsjoen: netcat ? telnet ? |
| 19:18.28 | rvsjoen | i've tried with netcat, but I can't figure out how to make it disconnect when data is recieved |
| 19:18.31 | ecdemo | not sure |
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| 19:18.37 | abrotman | rvsjoen: ctrl-d ? |
| 19:18.42 | nn-_ | does anyone know why "qiv" has been removed since sarge? it's awesome software.. |
| 19:18.47 | abrotman | rvsjoen: oh .. hrm |
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| 19:18.56 | ecdemo | but if that's the case then I'm wrong about the guessing... |
| 19:18.57 | rvsjoen | this is supposed to be run in a cron job |
| 19:19.19 | ecdemo | and then it's finitely possible to come up with a flash player |
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| 19:19.27 | abrotman | rvsjoen: maybe ask #bash if they konw a way? |
| 19:19.37 | gnufan | ecdemo: the FAQ says the file format is documented specifically to allow you to export flash, not to create a player. |
| 19:20.06 | rvsjoen | I have netcat on the box, would be lovely to make it happen with bash or netcat ;P as I dont have nmap, and i'm not sure its the easiest task to compile. would have to link it statically probably |
| 19:20.12 | Eulex | rvsjoen, -w for netcat to make it timeout after a specifies amount of time |
| 19:20.20 | kairo | Hi. The amanda-server package have --with-samba-user on the ./configure option? How can I know this? |
| 19:20.34 | Eulex | kairo, ./configure --help |
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| 19:20.44 | abrotman | kairo: get the source pacakge .. look at the rules |
| 19:20.52 | kairo | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 19:20.55 | kairo | :) |
| 19:21.07 | Eulex | ah, misunderstood the question |
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| 19:21.10 | ecdemo | or read configure or configure.in |
| 19:21.13 | rvsjoen | its a dreambox with very limited tools to work with ;) |
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| 19:21.24 | abrotman | ecdemo: in the binary package |
| 19:22.02 | ecdemo | the binary package? why would he run ./configure there? |
| 19:22.07 | rvsjoen | will read some bash, ty all |
| 19:22.23 | ecdemo | info bash, definitive reference |
| 19:22.26 | kairo | sorry everbody. my english isto not good. |
| 19:22.28 | kairo | :) |
| 19:22.39 | kairo | s/isto/is |
| 19:22.55 | DevilChaos | mke2fs do? |
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| 19:23.10 | DevilChaos | ext2 file system ? |
| 19:23.35 | nn-_ | ext AND ext3 |
| 19:23.40 | nn-_ | ext2 AND ext3 |
| 19:23.40 | hid3 | I have a router which does HTB-based traffic shaping for my network. in `ifconfig` I see large number in 'errors:' section, on bot devices, the internal one, and the external one. What can be wrong? What can cause those errors? Is there any way I can investigate that? |
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| 19:23.54 | DevilChaos | nn : i got my music back |
| 19:23.56 | DevilChaos | !!!!! |
| 19:23.56 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 19:24.09 | DevilChaos | he he |
| 19:24.41 | abrotman | ecdemo: he's asking how he can know what options a package was compiled with |
| 19:24.56 | ecdemo | ahh |
| 19:24.59 | abrotman | ecdemo: make sense now? |
| 19:25.03 | ecdemo | yes :) |
| 19:25.06 | nn-_ | DevilChaos: how did you manage to access the drive? |
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| 19:25.08 | abrotman | ecdemo: reread his question |
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| 19:25.20 | Eulex | !!!!!! |
| 19:25.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
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| 19:25.21 | ecdemo | I don't have to now :) |
| 19:25.25 | dojo | hi all |
| 19:25.37 | dojo | has somebody experience with python-apt? |
| 19:25.46 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 19:25.51 | ecdemo | !ask |
| 19:25.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:25.58 | DevilChaos | i installed xp and tore them off it left the 2 albums round the bad sector and placed then on another hard drive |
| 19:25.59 | dojo | dpkg: i know |
| 19:25.59 | dpkg | He said he knows. |
| 19:26.07 | unstable | lol |
| 19:26.32 | unstable | dpkg is sexist, assumes everyone is male. |
| 19:26.39 | ecdemo | dpkg: evidently he was wrong :) |
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| 19:27.13 | DevilChaos | nn : i was panicing for a while and since then ive manage to fuck things up again xp wrote over the mbr so grub wont load |
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| 19:27.26 | anisX | yay greetings |
| 19:27.35 | anisX | what is packages for php in apt-get ? |
| 19:27.40 | DevilChaos | i cant load anything im trying to make na boot floppy just now |
| 19:27.43 | abrotman | anisX: apt-cache search php ? |
| 19:27.44 | Eulex | !fixmbr |
| 19:27.44 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
| 19:27.58 | Eulex | DevilChaos, ^^ |
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| 19:28.33 | DevilChaos | eulex it is on a seperate hard disk to amd64 install |
| 19:28.35 | Daveman | sup abrotman? |
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| 19:29.01 | dojo | i have backports.org as an entry in sources.list. I only use mysql from backports. if i run my python-script he says: there are upgrades. but they are available in backports.org and not in sarge. any ideas? |
| 19:29.20 | Eulex | DevilChaos, and? |
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| 19:29.53 | Irinuca | help how i can add a arhive ? |
| 19:30.28 | abrotman | hi dave |
| 19:30.53 | abrotman | Irinuca: an archive of .. what? |
| 19:31.20 | ecdemo | what kind of archive? what will you add it to? |
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| 19:31.48 | Irinuca | i have a director " pictures " and i need arhive this directore |
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| 19:32.02 | gnufan | fail2ban -- experimenting with the unstable package in stable... get an error -- think it is the REGEX for vsftpd not being tight enough.... there is a bug in the howto... anyone else fixed this one yet? It works, but logs errors far too much (disk space isn't free you know). |
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| 19:32.19 | Eulex | Irinuca, tar -cf foo.tar pictures/; bzip2 foo.tar |
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| 19:32.48 | Daveman | abrotman, the 'skeeters get you yet? |
| 19:32.55 | gnufan | there is a bug mentioned in the documentation even... not in the documentation, the documentation is fine, if a little terse on the bit about regex errors. |
| 19:32.55 | abrotman | they did ? |
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| 19:33.41 | Irinuca | Eulex 10x |
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| 19:34.09 | ziza | I configured a vanilla kernel (2.6.16) so that it is optimized for my Athlon processor. when i compiled it with make-kpkg i got a deb package with i386 in its name. should I be worried about this? |
| 19:34.29 | ziza | good evening by the way :) |
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| 19:34.38 | Eulex | ziza, no; your arch is i386. |
| 19:34.49 | abrotman | ziza: probably not . your architecture is i386 |
| 19:34.57 | ziza | so the setting was overridden? |
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| 19:35.02 | ecdemo | ziza: probably it got the i386 because that's what you're running now |
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| 19:35.22 | ziza | yes currently i'm running a i386 kernel |
| 19:35.29 | Eulex | ziza, that is, assuming you're not running debian for amd64 |
| 19:35.42 | abrotman | what kind of athlon? |
| 19:35.53 | ecdemo | amd! |
| 19:35.59 | DevilChaos | eulex:i take it that doesnt make a difference? |
| 19:36.01 | ziza | yep :) |
| 19:36.05 | Eulex | ziza, your processor may be an athlon but your architecture is still i386, if you don't run the amd64 port of debian. |
| 19:36.11 | Daveman | abrotman, I was asking :P |
| 19:36.18 | abrotman | Daveman: the who ? |
| 19:36.21 | gilianima | Quelqu'un sait pourquoi "35 21 * * 3 echo 'Hello' > foo[`date`]" marche dans crontab, et pas "35 21 * * 3 echo 'Hello' > foo[`date +%Y`]" ? |
| 19:36.24 | ziza | ah yes, that makes sense |
| 19:36.25 | Daveman | over here they're already out and about :\ |
| 19:36.30 | Daveman | abrotman, the mosquitos? |
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| 19:36.32 | Daveman | -_- |
| 19:36.43 | abrotman | Daveman: we have mosquitos ? |
| 19:36.51 | Daveman | Do you? |
| 19:36.52 | abrotman | been too cold to go outside |
| 19:36.52 | ecdemo | we have the who? |
| 19:36.58 | Daveman | ah |
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| 19:37.13 | abrotman | Daveman: i also work near KoP .. not much standing water .. they remove it to build stuff |
| 19:37.14 | ziza | Eulex: so I can be sure the kernel was compiled for my Athlon? can i check that somehow? |
| 19:37.15 | Daveman | want some? I'm more than willing to share :P |
| 19:37.15 | Eulex | DevilChaos, I think so at least. your debian amd64 install cds should work, and I think non-amd64 live cds will work too. |
| 19:37.19 | gilianima | (sorry) |
| 19:37.19 | ecdemo | mosquitos doen't like cold |
| 19:37.22 | Daveman | yeah, good point |
| 19:37.26 | Daveman | that's what I thought |
| 19:37.27 | ecdemo | they can't fly in that |
| 19:37.30 | ecdemo | I think |
| 19:37.37 | Daveman | it's always mosquito haven over here -_- |
| 19:37.48 | Daveman | winter already gone :( |
| 19:37.52 | DevilChaos | putting grub back on means going through the partitioner |
| 19:37.57 | Daveman | it's like a billion degrees today... and for the rest of the week :\ |
| 19:38.00 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:38.00 | Daveman | bleh :P |
| 19:38.16 | valdyn | ziza: zgrep -i athlon /proc/config.gz |
| 19:38.19 | Eulex | ziza, perform a modinfo on any random kernel module. |
| 19:38.20 | DevilChaos | ah wait ill give it a whirl see what happons |
| 19:38.50 | Eulex | ziza, for me, it prints, among other stuff: vermagic: 2.6.14.custom.3.0 PENTIUMM gcc-4.0 |
| 19:38.55 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm perfectly fine with it being 95 otuside |
| 19:39.07 | Daveman | gah! |
| 19:39.08 | ziza | ok, i'll try, thanks |
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| 19:39.47 | KerPlunk | Daveman: If you melt can I have your computer equipment? |
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| 19:40.15 | Eulex | ziza, your dmesg may also contain it |
| 19:40.16 | KerPlunk | !greet hjubal |
| 19:40.16 | dpkg | Bonjour, hjubal |
| 19:40.20 | Daveman | KerPlunk, oh good point,... I can just *chill* in one of the server room entries ;) |
| 19:40.29 | hjubal | hi Kelsey23 |
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| 19:40.32 | KerPlunk | !it |
| 19:40.33 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:40.33 | hjubal | hi dpkg |
| 19:40.33 | ziza | i'm currently not running my custom kernel |
| 19:41.10 | Eulex | ziza, well, for those two tips you would need to do that |
| 19:41.36 | hjubal | dpkg, molto carino lo script.. ip locator? |
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| 19:42.07 | Kelsey23 | Hi hjubal |
| 19:42.09 | Eulex | hjubal, is a bot. also: |
| 19:42.10 | Eulex | !it |
| 19:42.10 | Kelsey23 | How may I help you |
| 19:42.11 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:42.13 | Kelsey23 | *? |
| 19:42.54 | hjubal | lol, i've failed turing test.. ;) |
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| 19:43.25 | KerPlunk | !dpkg |
| 19:43.25 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is I AM A BOT, YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian package management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about .deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt> |
| 19:43.45 | ziza | Eulex: ok, i performed modinfo on a random module located in /lib/modules/2.6.16-custom, and a line says: vermagic: 2.6.16-hibernate preempt K7 gcc-4.0 |
| 19:44.13 | ziza | thanks for your help :) |
| 19:44.28 | Eulex | ziza, ok, that looks ok. didn't know you could modinfo a filename :) |
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| 19:44.41 | gnufan | hjubal: don't worry turing never expected it to be taken seriously. |
| 19:44.52 | ziza | i didn't either, i just tried it LOL |
| 19:45.04 | zeth | what would be the best way for starting an application at startup? |
| 19:45.08 | gnufan | hjubal: by the way I'm a real human (well close enough). |
| 19:45.14 | hjubal | great, i hope so |
| 19:45.24 | wols | zeth: /etc/init.d/ aka sysvinit |
| 19:45.51 | wols | gnufan: you're pixels on a scren on the internet. so you clearly are a dog. QED |
| 19:46.01 | zeth | wols, yes thought of that. Can I place a script there and it will be run at startup? |
| 19:46.05 | KerPlunk | !startup |
| 19:46.05 | dpkg | If you want your Debian system to run a script at startup, say 'your_script' do the following: put your script in /etc/init.d/your_script; then create the following symbolic link: ln -s ../init.d/your_script /etc/rc?.d/SXXyour_script, where ? is the desired runlevel, S is the letter S and XX is a number between 00 and 99. The number indicates the order in which scripts get executed. |
| 19:46.22 | wols | zeth: learn about sysvinit. no scripts in /etc/init.d/ are never called |
| 19:46.22 | Eclipser | erf |
| 19:46.50 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:48.34 | zeth | wols, ok, I'll put it in there then... thought there might be an easier way... |
| 19:48.55 | Eclipser | etch switched my alsa devices again... hw:1,0 <-> hw2,0 that is >.<; |
| 19:48.55 | wols | it's about as easy as it gets. you just need to know how sysvinit works |
| 19:49.19 | metaperl | its video mp4 |
| 19:49.26 | metaperl | how do you play an mp4 video on Debian? |
| 19:49.39 | d0uglas | metaperl: good question |
| 19:50.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | metaperl: Try mplayer. |
| 19:50.30 | metaperl | GenNMX|Thrae: for video? |
| 19:50.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | metaperl: Yes, mplayer is the "Ultimate Movie Player" and came up with apt-cache search mp4 |
| 19:50.52 | cahoot | Eclipser: define the index for each card |
| 19:50.59 | metaperl | ok thanks |
| 19:51.10 | cahoot | Eclipser: like options snd-emu10k1index=0 |
| 19:51.25 | blaamann | metaperl: Yepp, mplayer plays most videos |
| 19:51.29 | metaperl | GenNMX|Thrae: it isn't available in Debian/testing |
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| 19:51.37 | metaperl | blaamann: why can't I get it in Debian/testing |
| 19:51.39 | d0uglas | http://davesource.com/Solutions/20040419.AAC_m4a_Debian.html |
| 19:51.46 | KerPlunk | metaperl: What version of debian are you using? |
| 19:51.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | metaperl: I have debian/testing |
| 19:51.50 | blaamann | metaperl: marilat |
| 19:51.50 | Coweater | !mplayer |
| 19:51.50 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 19:52.12 | metaperl | wow |
| 19:52.15 | DrNoboto | !marillat |
| 19:52.15 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> |
| 19:52.22 | d0uglas | wow what |
| 19:52.25 | d0uglas | my googling? |
| 19:52.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh yeah. |
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| 19:52.49 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 19:53.18 | KerPlunk | metaperl: What version of debian are you using? |
| 19:53.28 | KerPlunk | !greet GutterPunk |
| 19:53.29 | dpkg | Howdy, GutterPunk |
| 19:53.34 | GutterPunk | Could anyone please point me to a good Debian howto on how to configure a user directory with ldap? I'm following some howto's but I don't get the feeling I know what I'm doing. And I'm following some step by step but I can't start the service afterwards |
| 19:53.36 | metaperl | KerPlunk: debian/testing |
| 19:53.41 | KerPlunk | !marillat.etch |
| 19:53.42 | dpkg | [marillat.etch] is type echo "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; as root to add the marillat repository to your sources.list |
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| 19:53.55 | KerPlunk | !ldap |
| 19:53.56 | dpkg | hmm... ldap is TYPE /join #LDAP NOW! or a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 19:53.57 | KerPlunk | GutterPunk? |
| 19:54.04 | GutterPunk | KerPlunk, yes? |
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| 19:54.33 | GutterPunk | I'll check it out :) |
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| 19:55.11 | jengelh | unstable==3.2? |
| 19:55.22 | KerPlunk | unstable doesn't have a version number |
| 19:55.32 | d0uglas | that's badass |
| 19:55.35 | jengelh | so it's continuously updated? |
| 19:55.36 | KerPlunk | Because it is never going to be released |
| 19:55.39 | KerPlunk | correct |
| 19:55.41 | KerPlunk | !unstable |
| 19:55.41 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 19:55.53 | KerPlunk | !sid |
| 19:55.53 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 19:57.13 | gnufan | this last couple of weeks sid has been behaving himself, usually means someone is saving up a huge upgrade of something disruptive.... |
| 19:57.22 | warhawk | hi all |
| 19:57.31 | KerPlunk | !greet warhawk |
| 19:57.32 | dpkg | Moo, warhawk |
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| 19:58.07 | wols | gnufan: new perl out? :) |
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| 19:58.11 | Money | what command do i use to see what soundcard i have? |
| 19:58.12 | metaperl | any feedback on my sources.list for Debian/testing: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AsxPXo24.html |
| 19:58.36 | wols | Money: lspci -v perhaps |
| 19:58.39 | cahoot | Money: lspci f ex |
| 19:58.59 | Money | thanks |
| 19:59.06 | wols | Money: if it's a soundcard on the mobo, use the AC97 codec most probably |
| 19:59.25 | cahoot | wols: won'y help choosing alsa module though |
| 19:59.30 | DevilChaos | eulex: i have grub prompt what to do now? |
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| 20:00.03 | Money | wols: i thinknit is on the mobo, and it was AC97 |
| 20:00.07 | KerPlunk | jerome: 3.2 == testing |
| 20:00.10 | KerPlunk | !etch |
| 20:00.10 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 20:00.13 | wols | cahoot: why not? AC97 is the same all over |
| 20:00.28 | jengelh | Hm, I just installed linux-kernel-headers 2.6.13+0rc3-2.1, but 'apt-get source' only returns me 2.5.999. |
| 20:00.30 | Money | where can i find this codec? i think it is a driver or module i need |
| 20:00.31 | Eulex | DevilChaos, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 20:00.34 | SodaKillr | I'm aware SID doesn't get any security updates from the security team, but what do you guys use/recommend? Applications to be used: Apache,mySQL, and Nagios. Knoppix? or get regular safe woody from debian's site. |
| 20:00.46 | KerPlunk | !w32codecs |
| 20:00.46 | dpkg | methinks w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 20:00.47 | SodaKillr | I hear sid has more development. |
| 20:00.50 | cahoot | wols: that might be so but still won't tell what alsa module to use |
| 20:00.57 | DevilChaos | ty |
| 20:01.11 | syntaxis | SodaKillr: Sarge is the stable release now, not Woody |
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| 20:01.15 | Eulex | SodaKillr, umh, woody is old-stable. |
| 20:01.18 | SodaKillr | oh that's what i meant. |
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| 20:01.40 | KerPlunk | SodaKillr: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:01.47 | KerPlunk | SodaKillr: Are you setting up a production server, or a desktop? |
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| 20:02.36 | SodaKillr | kerlPlunk -> small box on internal network to setup Nagios. |
| 20:02.45 | SodaKillr | no other functions are required. |
| 20:02.45 | KerPlunk | SodaKillr: use sarge. |
| 20:02.48 | Money | my sound isn't working, and i don't know what the problem is, i installed alsamixer, but when i type "alsamixer" in terminal i get "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 20:02.48 | Money | " |
| 20:02.50 | KerPlunk | !sarge |
| 20:02.50 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 20:03.19 | KerPlunk | Money: Did you try rebooting? |
| 20:03.21 | SodaKillr | KerPlunk, cool thanks for the info. |
| 20:03.27 | Money | KerPlunk: yes |
| 20:03.38 | KerPlunk | Money: You have alsa-utils and alsa-base? |
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| 20:03.46 | Money | and i tried adding my username to the audio group |
| 20:04.08 | Money | KerPlunk: yes i have both of those |
| 20:04.17 | cahoot | Money: the msg implies alsa module not loaded |
| 20:04.17 | Money | KerPlunk: and they are up to date |
| 20:04.26 | KerPlunk | !alsa-bork |
| 20:04.26 | dpkg | i guess alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 20:04.44 | eth000 | Money, try to recompile your kernel with the drivers of your card.. |
| 20:04.46 | hjubal | !startflux |
| 20:04.58 | KerPlunk | hjubal: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:05.01 | Money | eth000: how do i do that? im just starting with liux |
| 20:05.04 | cahoot | Money: run alsaconf |
| 20:05.26 | Money | linux* |
| 20:05.27 | KerPlunk | hjubal: startx `which startfluxbox` ? |
| 20:05.32 | cahoot | Money: don't start recompiling kernel |
| 20:05.37 | Money | cahoot: i've done that, and it aske me if i wanted to probe |
| 20:05.45 | hjubal | Kelsey23, I'm trying to get help with flux and kdm |
| 20:05.57 | madclicker | i need to ghost one of my hard drives to the other, how can i do it in sarge? |
| 20:06.06 | KerPlunk | !dd |
| 20:06.06 | dpkg | it has been said that dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 20:06.11 | eth000 | Money, what card you have? |
| 20:06.37 | evilbulgarian | hi, everytime i try to go to phpmyadmin i get "The requested URL /cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server." can someone help dont know why its appending the cgi dir |
| 20:06.48 | Money | eth000: i'm not sure, but i think its on the mobo, i know its intel though, and it has AC97 or 79 or something in it |
| 20:06.54 | KerPlunk | madclicker: You see the dd message? |
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| 20:07.10 | wols | Money: alsa-project.org look for compatible cards from intel. you'll find it |
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| 20:07.20 | eth000 | try to run "lspci" |
| 20:07.26 | madclicker | KerPlunk, nope |
| 20:07.33 | cahoot | Money: what kernel? |
| 20:07.50 | cahoot | Money: ie 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 20:07.53 | KerPlunk | !tell madclicker about dd |
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| 20:08.10 | anisX | i still having a problem with php and apt-get |
| 20:08.11 | anisX | :/ |
| 20:08.27 | Money | cahoot: 2.6 (latest) |
| 20:08.43 | cahoot | Money: ok run lspci as suggested |
| 20:08.55 | KerPlunk | !phpmyadmin evilbulgarian |
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| 20:08.57 | Motoko-chan | Is there any way to grab an old dpatch from an ftp mirror? |
| 20:08.59 | KerPlunk | !phpmyadmin |
| 20:08.59 | lorenz | !lame |
| 20:08.59 | dpkg | i heard phpmyadmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle the administration of MySQL over the Internet. Currently it can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq |
| 20:08.59 | dpkg | i guess lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 20:09.04 | anisX | php4 is already the newest version |
| 20:09.05 | Money | wols: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+AC97+audio.&chip=440MX%2C+i810%2C+i810E%2C+i820%2C+ICH4%2C+ICH5%2C+ICH6&module=intel8x0 thats where i am, do i follow the quick install directorions? |
| 20:09.14 | anisX | php -v |
| 20:09.14 | anisX | bash: php: command not found |
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| 20:09.46 | gnufan | anisX sounds like a PATH problem not a php problem... |
| 20:09.49 | Eulex | anisX, php<tab> (and maybe one <tab> too) |
| 20:09.50 | wols | !tell Money about alsa-oneliner |
| 20:09.53 | cahoot | Money: modprobe snd-intel8x0 and run alsaconf |
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| 20:09.58 | Motoko-chan | Okay, think I got lost in the messages. |
| 20:10.00 | Motoko-chan | Is there any way to grab an old dpatch from an ftp mirror? |
| 20:10.06 | anisX | php |
| 20:10.06 | anisX | php-cgi php5-cgi |
| 20:10.22 | KerPlunk | anisX: apt-get install php5-cli or php4-cli |
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| 20:10.42 | anisX | KerPlunk: thanks |
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| 20:11.17 | Money | cahoot: im running alsaconf now |
| 20:11.18 | Tygrys | hello |
| 20:11.27 | KerPlunk | !greet Tygrys |
| 20:11.27 | dpkg | Howdy, Tygrys |
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| 20:11.54 | cahoot | Money: you just keeping me updated? |
| 20:11.57 | Money | cahoot: it said no supported Pnp or PCI card found, would you like to probe legacy cards now |
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| 20:12.34 | Money | cahoot: choose yes or no? |
| 20:12.46 | cahoot | Money: your choice ;) |
| 20:13.03 | Eulex | Money, what sound card is in that computer? what kernel? |
| 20:13.10 | cahoot | Money: I'd risk a yes |
| 20:13.38 | Money | Eulex: i think its "intel AC97 i80" |
| 20:13.52 | Eulex | Money, ok, intel8x0. probing legaxy cards won't change anything. what is your kernel version? (uname -ar) |
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| 20:14.00 | valdyn | Money: driver should be snd-intel8x0 ( alsa ) |
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| 20:14.18 | wols | Money: for alsa, use a 2.6.x kernel |
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| 20:14.25 | cahoot | he does |
| 20:14.28 | Money | Eulex: kernal version is 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 20:14.35 | anisX | php installed , but when i create /url/info.php , the server still cannot understand php |
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| 20:14.55 | Money | so i need to download a alsa snd-intel8x0 driver? where do i download it? |
| 20:15.07 | valdyn | Money: no you dont need to, you have it already |
| 20:15.09 | cahoot | Money: It's on your system |
| 20:15.12 | Azar | Money you might already have it |
| 20:15.23 | Money | oh, ok |
| 20:15.40 | Money | so what is the problem? does it need to be upgraded? |
| 20:15.54 | KerPlunk | Money: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 20:16.08 | valdyn | !alsa one-liner |
| 20:16.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 20:16.40 | Money | Kerplunk: when i did that noting happened, it jsut took me to next line of prompt |
| 20:16.40 | cahoot | might be an oss driver already is loaded |
| 20:16.56 | Money | valdyn: i already did that, i have alsa-base utils and alsa-base installed |
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| 20:17.07 | lorenz | !mp3 |
| 20:17.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 20:17.13 | valdyn | Money: no feedback is in the unix world 'good' and not indicating that nothing happened |
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| 20:17.42 | Azar | Money do a cat /etc/modules and copy the input in a paster and show it to cahoot |
| 20:17.51 | lorenz | how to convert an audio file in mp3 using debian |
| 20:17.54 | Money | Azar: ok, hang on |
| 20:17.57 | lorenz | how to convert an audio file in mp3 using debian? |
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| 20:18.12 | valdyn | lorenz: get an encoder from marillat ( /msg dpkg marillat ) |
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| 20:18.21 | abrotman | !tell lorenz about lame |
| 20:18.43 | lorenz | thanks |
| 20:18.57 | cahoot | lorenz: the politically correct question is how to make an ogg |
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| 20:19.13 | lorenz | cahoot: why? |
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| 20:19.52 | cahoot | lorenz: free and open source etc |
| 20:19.56 | Money | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/629538 |
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| 20:20.26 | lorenz | cahoot, and too fiew portable unluckily :( |
| 20:20.37 | cahoot | Money: someone already loaded snd-cd4236 |
| 20:21.05 | cahoot | Money: might be best if you did run lspci |
| 20:21.25 | Money | alright |
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| 20:21.55 | Money | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/629544 |
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| 20:24.05 | cahoot | Money: can't find any info on a sounddevice there |
| 20:24.37 | cahoot | Money: is this a laptop? |
| 20:25.14 | Azar | Money aren't you the one who was here last night and stew helped? the ISA thingie? |
| 20:25.39 | Money | cahoot: no, this is a delll optiplex gx1 desktop |
| 20:26.20 | Azar | yep the same one... ISA guy |
| 20:26.27 | Money | cahoot: so what do i do? |
| 20:26.40 | lorenz | i.ve installed lame, but soundonverter don't let me save in mp3! |
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| 20:26.47 | Azar | Money: open up the box and look inside / or / call your manufacturer and ask |
| 20:26.51 | lorenz | *soundconverter |
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| 20:27.23 | nuge | hi, i'm looking for a libapache2-auth-ldap module, anyone know why it's not available or if it is under another name? (libapache-auth-ldap is there), i'm running stable |
| 20:27.32 | Azar | I do not have the last night logs, but I remember somehow you got to find it == from where you got that snd_ module in |
| 20:27.35 | Money | Azar: i don't know the manufactuer, and i don't know what to look for in the book, but when i had windows, the soundcard (im pretty sure)was crystal something |
| 20:27.43 | cahoot | Money: looks (according to google) like the snd-cd4236 is the module you shoul use |
| 20:27.45 | wols | Money: have your removed the cd4236 driver and tried the AC97 one? |
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| 20:28.03 | cahoot | wols: there is no such thing |
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| 20:28.15 | Azar | cahoot, he got that snd_ module last night, stew helped him |
| 20:28.22 | Error_X | how do I apply a partition to fat32? |
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| 20:28.34 | Money | Azar: i didn't get any module |
| 20:28.58 | Money | wols: so remove the cd4236 and try AC97? i don't know how to do this |
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| 20:30.40 | roler | I did something with the X11 modules using the dri.freedesktop drivers on my system... How can I re-load all the X11R6 libraries and files using apt so I can try again? |
| 20:30.41 | Money | wols: so on the alsa site, follow the quick install instructions? |
| 20:31.22 | illsci | hey how are iptables rules automatticaly loaded on system start up on debian testing... |
| 20:31.39 | illsci | I dont see anything in /etc/rc2.d or /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:32.01 | illsci | is there a package that hooks up a startup script? |
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| 20:33.31 | abrotman | illsci: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
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| 20:33.49 | abrotman | illsci: i think they put a sample init script in there |
| 20:33.59 | illsci | thanks |
| 20:34.27 | Tygrys | illsci: iptables-save |
| 20:34.38 | GutterPunk | The howto at aphroland.org looks to be a bit errm outdated. Anyone know of some better ldap howto's? |
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| 20:36.12 | nceterval | I just rebooted my Debian Sid box after months of normal use and got an error 17 from Grub. I booted to a LiveCD and found that the partition with Sid is not being auto-mounted, though the other partition on that HDD is. I took a look at the HDD in DiskDrake and that partition is not being recognized as having Reiser3 on it. How can I fix this? |
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| 20:36.34 | Money | cahoot: how doi use the snd-cd4236? |
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| 20:37.23 | cahoot | Money: *if* that is the correct module (driver) you shouldbe able to just use any sound app - like alsamixer |
| 20:38.26 | Money | cahoot: well i tried "alsamixer" in the terminal, and got that error |
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| 20:38.52 | Money | cahoot: in windows, in device manager, under my sound device, it was a lot of stuff saying crystal something or crystal wm |
| 20:38.52 | cahoot | Money: ok one last try: paste the output of lsmod to a pastebin |
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| 20:38.59 | Money | ok |
| 20:39.23 | gevaerts | I have a (small) problem with a Logitech USB headset : when I set the volume to 0 with alsamixer or amixer, I still get sound. |
| 20:39.32 | lorenz | !soundconverter |
| 20:39.33 | omry | does cp create the files list in advance? if I will attempt to recursivly copy the root file system to, say, /mnt/newroot, will it try to copy /mnt/newroot into itself? |
| 20:39.45 | lorenz | !sound-converter |
| 20:39.45 | cahoot | Money: but - the sensible thing is probably to get hold of a soundblaster |
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| 20:40.17 | Money | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/629599 |
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| 20:40.27 | cahoot | gevaerts: you are sure you access the correct sound device with alsamixer? |
| 20:40.35 | debian__ | Has anybody tested Sarge on HP nc6120 notebook? |
| 20:40.39 | lorenz | cahoot, i've installed lame but soundconverter don't let me check mp3 encoding, can you help me? |
| 20:40.46 | mcquaid | hello, how can i use dpkg to list the contents and filesizes of a particular pkg? |
| 20:40.53 | Money | cahoot: in windows i used crystal something, so you say get soundblaster, how? just download the driver from a site, then how do i install it, through terminal, im new to linux and just want to get my sound working |
| 20:41.20 | Da-User | I just downloaded the iso, and installed debian from dvdrom. But it doesn't boot into a desktop environment like kde, Is this hard to fix? |
| 20:41.32 | gevaerts | cahoot : yes : the volume control does work, it only doesn't go down to silence, although mute works |
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| 20:42.41 | Azar | Money Debian did not see your Multimedia sound card, you need to know exactly what it is. |
| 20:42.43 | cahoot | Money: try modprobe snd-cd4236 |
| 20:43.07 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i set up a central mirror on my local lan for debian machines to pull updates from a single caching box ? |
| 20:43.16 | Azar | cahoot what could be sd_mod there? |
| 20:43.22 | cahoot | scsi disk |
| 20:43.28 | Azar | ah |
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| 20:43.54 | Covener | evilbulgarian: apt-proxy |
| 20:44.04 | Azar | Money weren't you here last night with avont_ nick? |
| 20:44.08 | gevaerts | Money: is it an ISA or older onboard sound card ? |
| 20:44.32 | Money | cahoot: that command returned: FATAL: Module snd_cd4236 not found. |
| 20:44.41 | gevaerts | Money: try snd-cs4236 instead of cd |
| 20:44.53 | Money | gevaerts: ok |
| 20:44.58 | evilbulgarian | Covener: was there an alternative to that? |
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| 20:45.29 | Covener | evilbulgarian: three packages show up in the search for apt-proxy -- so there's at least two other choics. |
| 20:45.37 | zinosat | how can I print a text file from line x to line y ? I thought I could use sed but haven't managed to get it to do it yet |
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| 20:45.48 | evilbulgarian | Covener: thanks |
| 20:45.50 | Money | gevaerts: nothing happened, it went to the next line |
| 20:45.51 | Covener | evilbulgarian: you can probably do it in a few lins of mod_rewrite too -- testing for the existence of afile in local cache |
| 20:46.05 | cahoot | Money: now run alsamixer |
| 20:46.08 | Covener | evilbulgarian: (which is alittle block in the rewriting guide at httpd.apache.org) |
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| 20:47.09 | Money | cahoot: |
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| 20:47.12 | Money | cahoot: it worked |
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| 20:47.17 | Money | cahoot: i'm in alsamixer |
| 20:47.45 | omry | I want to move my debian to a newer hd. what is the correct procedure? |
| 20:47.50 | cahoot | Money: ok thank gevaerts for spotting the typo - change the line on /etc/modules to be correct |
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| 20:48.21 | cahoot | Money: see if alsaconf will run for you now |
| 20:48.32 | Azar | cahoot: what I found regarding Money's sound: Crystal CS4236 sound card built into a "Clone E320S" laptop. The clone code is the design of the motherboard. (someone's testimonial) |
| 20:48.45 | Money | gevaerts: thanks :) |
| 20:48.55 | DownLowe | i apologize for my lack of knowledge, so bear with me. from debian's website, downloading Sarge, and browsing through mirrors, click on /current/ , then /i386/ , then /ISO-CD/ , i see debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso going all the way to " "-binary-14.iso, do i have to get all those? or which one do i get? |
| 20:49.00 | Azar | kudos to gevaerts |
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| 20:49.12 | gevaerts | Money: you're welcome. You don't happen to know anything about usb audio devices by any chance ? |
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| 20:49.41 | Money | no, unles your talking about audio devices that hook up to the usb plug in the back of the comp |
| 20:50.40 | Money | so now i just unmute all the sound channelsright? |
| 20:51.02 | loxley_ | DownLowe: otherwise you could just go for the netinstall cd. smaller and better imo. |
| 20:51.10 | Azar | Money after you unmute you save the settings with alsactl store |
| 20:51.27 | AciD | http://www.wxwindows.org/dl_all.htm says there is debian package available for wxwidgets 2.6.3, anybody knows where ? I can't find any on google |
| 20:51.30 | simonrvn | DownLowe: just the first one is fine |
| 20:51.34 | gevaerts | Money: you probably don't need all. Try the ones like Master and PCM, but don't bother about line-out and the like |
| 20:51.40 | simonrvn | or the netinst |
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| 20:51.55 | SexyKen | How do you set the time |
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| 20:52.12 | DownLowe | loxley -> the stupid network here is not relaible, cuz i drop network connection on our new "T1", so i rather get the ISO in hopes it comes in without disturbance. |
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| 20:52.24 | madclicker | does anyone knows of a howto for mysql and sasl authentications? |
| 20:52.28 | simonrvn | i like to get the full #1, like that i can fetch other stuff if the network is down, then update when it's back up. or read the guide if i'm bored |
| 20:52.58 | DownLowe | simonrvn debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso ? right? thanks for the info. |
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| 20:54.19 | loxley_ | madclicker: there are some good ones if you just google it .. try with searching for auxprop_plugin and sql |
| 20:54.31 | DownLowe | for future refernce, what are the differences anyway? 1,2,3 etc... |
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| 20:54.58 | cahoot | gevaerts: just for the record - I have no problems controlling sound levelson my usb headset using alsamixer (snd-usb-audio) - faulty hw? |
| 20:55.16 | thingfish | DownLowe: Debian packages an enormous amount of software, ready to install onto your system. That's why there's 14 CDs. |
| 20:55.33 | DownLowe | ahh ok |
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| 20:55.55 | DownLowe | so the 1st one is good enough to install, then i can do apt-get to get whatever i want to install later on. |
| 20:55.58 | lorenz | cahoot, i've installed lame but soundconverter don't let me check mp3 encoding, can you help me? |
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| 20:56.07 | madclicker | loxley_, thank you |
| 20:56.07 | gevaerts | cahoot: could be. I should try in windows sometime when I gte the chance |
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| 20:56.38 | DownLowe | gevaerts _> as long as you have XP Service Pack 2 =D |
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| 20:56.53 | Aw0L | has anyone read the spam filter tutorial here:http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/spamfilter20050628.html ? |
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| 20:57.09 | Aw0L | I was wondering what the purpose of leaving the old exchange server's dns in tact |
| 20:57.12 | cahoot | lorenz: sorry I don't use mp3 |
| 20:57.36 | thingfish | DownLowe: actually you can get the netinstall CD. |
| 20:57.36 | gevaerts | cahoot: I do know that playing with the sound level on a headset while playing noise (from /dev/urandom) can be painful if you're not careful |
| 20:57.55 | gevaerts | DownLowe: I'll keep that in mine :-) |
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| 20:58.18 | thingfish | DownLowe: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 20:58.18 | gevaerts | s/mine/mind/ |
| 20:58.37 | DownLowe | kk thanks for the info thingsfish, i'll try it out on a Rewriteable |
| 20:58.41 | Da-User | I downloaded the images and installed the dvd image of debian, but it doesn't boot into any desktop environment. Would someone please help me get a gui? |
| 20:59.13 | loxley_ | Aw0L: the answer is in the text |
| 20:59.53 | Aw0L | loxley_, I just didn't quit get it - I suppose that if both servers are on a private network, It wouldn't matter if I changed the dns records around a bit |
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| 21:00.15 | menko | Da-User: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:00.21 | Error_X | how do I apply a partition to fat32? |
| 21:01.12 | Money | ok, lemme turn it up a LITTLE MORE |
| 21:01.14 | Money | sorry for caps |
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| 21:01.26 | Money | alright, my sound works :) thank you all so much for helping me, i really appreciate it, i can't thank you more, thank you so much, your all the best :) !!!!!!! :)!!!!!! :) |
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| 21:01.35 | gnufan | rats -- where do I find the post-installation script for a package that didn't configured nicely... /var/??? |
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| 21:01.48 | Money | alright, my sound works :) thank you all so much for helping me, i really appreciate it, i can't thank you more, thank you so much, your all the best :) !!!!!!! :)!!!!!! :) |
| 21:02.15 | gevaerts | gnufan: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst |
| 21:02.22 | submarineshaun | well, thats one satifised customer |
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| 21:02.29 | unstable | Money: http://www.debian.org/donations |
| 21:02.33 | cahoot | until reboot |
| 21:02.36 | lorenz | cahoot, which car-radio is able to read ogg vorbis? |
| 21:02.39 | nonick007 | I just installed sarge, 1st time for stable sarge, GOOD JOB all |
| 21:02.57 | unstable | nonick007: http://www.debian.org/donations |
| 21:03.00 | cire | How may I receive a mail, everytime a scipt is run? |
| 21:03.14 | cahoot | lorenz: well - that's the real world problem - very few I guess |
| 21:03.20 | unstable | !mail |
| 21:03.20 | dpkg | mail is, like, a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. |
| 21:04.09 | Money | unstable: lol |
| 21:04.22 | gevaerts | lorenz: just burn them as audio tracks. They won't sound like you want, you'll get horrible static, but they WILL play ! |
| 21:04.29 | cire | thank you, unstable |
| 21:04.31 | gnufan | gevaerts: thanks -- knew it was there somewhere. |
| 21:04.48 | nonick007 | unstable, i will try to join qa or developers ;) ty |
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| 21:05.13 | Money | does anyone by any chance have "debian gnu/linux bible" ebook, i need to learn linux now |
| 21:05.17 | loggygreg | SexyKen: date or ntpdate |
| 21:05.29 | cahoot | Money: you want Debian Reference |
| 21:05.42 | unstable | Money: http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 21:06.13 | shogunx | Money: http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/books/linux/Linux%20GNU%20Debian%20Bible.pdf |
| 21:06.19 | lorenz | gevaerts, my purpose is ripping many and many cds, annidate mp3s in few dvds and donate cds in order to disinfestate my bedroom! |
| 21:06.22 | Azar | news o/t: nice title "Nvidia is the Borg, ATI are the Klingons" |
| 21:06.55 | shogunx | Money you must ,access it with linux, bsd, or another *NIX, or it will kick you. |
| 21:07.04 | Money | ok |
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| 21:07.45 | Azar | Money with Debian you will allways try debian packages and compile the debian way : when everything else fails stop using everything else |
| 21:08.35 | gnufan | gevaerts: don't suppose you also know where it puts debconf values it has stored...? looks like a directory with the package name -- reading the script |
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| 21:08.42 | eth000 | lorenz, you have to make your personal car-radio with a little linux sys ;-) |
| 21:09.12 | cahoot | lorenz: get hold of abcde or grip |
| 21:09.16 | gevaerts | gnufan : /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 21:09.50 | lorenz | cahoot, i use grip but it does.nt let me encoding |
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| 21:10.27 | cahoot | lorenz: cause it can't find lame? |
| 21:10.32 | shogunx | lorenz i think you need lame also for that. |
| 21:10.41 | matik | Wie meinst Du das? |
| 21:10.54 | lorenz | eth000, in my fuhure i wish to have linux in my freezer too :P |
| 21:11.05 | lorenz | shogunx, already installed |
| 21:11.24 | lorenz | matik, talk english please |
| 21:11.34 | lorenz | cahoot, i think so! |
| 21:11.39 | matik | lorenz: sorry |
| 21:11.54 | lorenz | matik, np |
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| 21:12.11 | gnufan | gevaerts: brilliant -- seems that the package has entries without values, and isn't asking for them, so I assume debconf priority is wrong.... But I can't seem to persuade it to ask.. Can I purge debconf.dat values cleanly (for just two packages). |
| 21:12.13 | Money | unstable: that link you gave me, is that the whole book??!?!?!?! |
| 21:12.37 | phz114n | is there a simple command to see the memory usage of a certain application? in my case my wm, fluxbox. |
| 21:12.41 | Money | thank you all so much, you've been such big help |
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| 21:12.57 | jacobo_ | hi, during installation there was a question aking if my monitor was an LCD. it wasn't back then but it is now. I am searching for that question but I can't find it. it isn't dpkg-reconfigure xsaerver-xorg nor in fontconfig. what package is it taht asked it? |
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| 21:13.36 | gevaerts | gnufan> gevaerts: brilliant -- seems that the package has entries without values, and isn't asking for them, so I assume debconf |
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| 21:13.45 | eth000 | lorenz, you have to convert wav to mp3? |
| 21:13.53 | lorenz | eth000, yes |
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| 21:14.01 | gevaerts | gnufan: sorry, paste error. In answer to your question : no idea |
| 21:14.12 | eth000 | lorenz, take a look here http://www.mp3-converter.com/linux/index.htm |
| 21:14.20 | gnufan | gevaerts: well thanks as far as it went.. sure it'll be documented somewhere. |
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| 21:14.34 | gevaerts | gnufan: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
| 21:14.36 | gevaerts | ? |
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| 21:15.47 | pezz_ | Hi, I'm running debian sarge, and the BTTV module is loading with the incorrect parameters, although I've edited /etc/modules correctly, in the way I always have. I can get the card to work with rmmod bttv then modprobe bttv, but anyone know why the options I put in /etc/modules are ignored? |
| 21:15.52 | gnufan | gevaerts: good thinking, but that doesn't work if it hasn't completed postinst by the looks of it. |
| 21:16.16 | gnufan | How do I change the default debconf priority for installing new packages? |
| 21:16.21 | Azar | does Debian in any way use OpenBSD packages? |
| 21:16.27 | beginer | debian-sys-maint password changed accidentaly... how can i put back? |
| 21:16.32 | eth000 | pezz_, do you have a dvb-s card? |
| 21:16.54 | pezz_ | no, it's an old avermedia thing. It worked great before I compiled my own custom kernel |
| 21:17.10 | gevaerts | gnufan: maybe dpkg --purge removes the entries ? |
| 21:17.18 | gnufan | gevaerts: it did |
| 21:17.20 | pezz_ | works great now, except I have to manually modprobe it |
| 21:17.26 | gnufan | gevaerts: actually I used apt... |
| 21:17.30 | Azar | rephrase does Debian use OpenSSH ? |
| 21:17.52 | shogunx | OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-7 |
| 21:18.13 | unstable | Azar: of course |
| 21:18.28 | unstable | Azar: find ./|xargs cat|grep -i openbsd |
| 21:19.10 | FlimFlamMan | how can i recursively get the size of each directory in a directory tree? |
| 21:19.21 | gevaerts | unstable: ouch, what if you have filenames with spaces ? |
| 21:19.32 | eth000 | pezz_, try to insert "alias char-major-81bttv" |
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| 21:19.46 | pezz_ | eth000: thanks, will try it |
| 21:20.10 | unstable | gevaerts: there aren't file names with spaces by default, someone would have to intentionally do that. |
| 21:20.25 | kingspawn | FlimFlamMan: du prolly has some options |
| 21:20.42 | gevaerts | unstable: yes, but then you should exclude /home |
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| 21:21.11 | FlimFlamMan | kingspawn, thanks |
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| 21:21.46 | beginer | how can i change debian-sys-maint password? |
| 21:21.51 | Brice | hello |
| 21:22.07 | eth000 | hello Brice |
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| 21:22.37 | kingspawn | FlimFlamMan: du -hS seems to do what you require |
| 21:22.43 | kingspawn | FlimFlamMan: if i got you correctly :) |
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| 21:22.55 | gevaerts | unstable: actually, no: lincity-ng, flightgear, planetpenguin-racer-extras, libdivxencore0 and probably some others do contain files with spaces in the name |
| 21:22.57 | evilbulgarian | hi, im getting "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_pconnect() in /usr/share/php/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 366" with the cacti from testing can someone help |
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| 21:23.14 | JosephSpiros | hmm, what's the deal with sparc disappearing from etch mirrors? |
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| 21:23.40 | Brice | i have KDE 3.5.1 and i can't move my objects in the taskbar |
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| 21:23.45 | pipeline | JosephSpiros: Perhaps it's an SCC arch now? |
| 21:23.53 | pipeline | JosephSpiros: i.e. shitcanned |
| 21:24.08 | JosephSpiros | pipeline: it's disappeared over the past few days, is that likely? |
| 21:24.18 | eth000 | evaded, probably you have to install the php-postgre module for apache |
| 21:24.31 | JosephSpiros | pipeline: and I wasn't aware scc was being put in motion with etch |
| 21:24.36 | JosephSpiros | pipeline: oh well :x |
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| 21:24.44 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 21:24.51 | evaded | eth000: Wrong person |
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| 21:25.06 | eth000 | ops,sorry.... |
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| 21:25.26 | evaded | eth000: ;-) |
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| 21:26.52 | loggygreg | FlimFlamMan: 'find <path> -type d | xargs du -hs' if you want to include size of subdirectories |
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| 21:29.06 | Money | unstable: what was that link to the "debian gnu/linux bible again??? |
| 21:29.08 | kingspawn | loggygreg: what does xargs do, exactly? |
| 21:29.13 | ChrisW | hi all, what's the "debian way" for me to geta daemon control script to start the demon on machien startup and stop ti on machine shutdown? |
| 21:29.18 | abrotman | kingspawn: man xargs |
| 21:29.27 | pipeline | ChrisW: regular sysv init :P |
| 21:29.33 | abrotman | !tell ChrisW about update-rc.d |
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| 21:29.50 | loggygreg | kingsley: from man 'build and execute command lines from standard input' |
| 21:29.50 | ChrisW | pipeline: indeed, that doesn't mean I haev a clue ;-) |
| 21:30.01 | xerophyte | say if i have the package name how can i get description of the package .. from apt ?? whichis not installed |
| 21:30.18 | ChrisW | thanks! |
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| 21:30.53 | loggygreg | s/kingsley/kingspawn (sorry) |
| 21:31.24 | kingspawn | no problem |
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| 21:31.42 | kingspawn | i guess experimentation is my way to getting xargs, then |
| 21:32.01 | kraypius | what is a good command line file sharing client? |
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| 21:32.35 | kingspawn | kraypius: are you thinking of file sharing as in emule and those things? |
| 21:33.18 | kraypius | yeah. i want to use a client on my remote box. of course for the largest file sharing network possible |
| 21:33.32 | loggygreg | kingspawn: create a new command : give standard input to it's argument |
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| 21:35.27 | shackcore | hey anyone know of any GPLed tools to recover and accidentally overwritten partition table |
| 21:35.38 | cureless | shackcore: hexedit |
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| 21:36.03 | gevaerts | shackcore: gpart |
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| 21:37.01 | gevaerts | lepton: by booting windows ? |
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| 21:37.35 | abrotman | merely booting windows will not accidentally overwrite it |
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| 21:38.58 | gevaerts | abrotman: depends, if the 'windows' is actually an installer... |
| 21:39.20 | abrotman | right .. whatever |
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| 21:39.54 | abrotman | anyone who accidentally installs windows .. deserves windows |
| 21:40.22 | gilianima | comment écrire cette commande dans un script ? => echo Hello > /home/gilles/films/ddc_`date +%Y` |
| 21:40.33 | gilianima | `date +%Y` ne passe pas |
| 21:40.39 | loggygreg | !fr |
| 21:40.39 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:40.40 | shackcore | nah...I was going to zero out a drive, so I backed it up and the backup was corrupted...but had already changed to partation table before I noticed it |
| 21:40.56 | gevaerts | abrotman: actually, he had a script that restored a windows backup (to be run weekly, because windows doesn't stay stable), and he called it t.sh. So some months later, het saw the file, wondered what it did, and tried it |
| 21:41.13 | abrotman | thanks for proving my point |
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| 21:41.36 | loggygreg | gilianima: speak in english |
| 21:41.38 | gnufan | Okay -- I manually managed to "dpkg-preconfigure -plow" the packages -- but how do I make the default priority low again? |
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| 21:41.48 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:41.49 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 21:41.55 | gilianima | loggygreg: -oups- sorry... |
| 21:42.10 | kyncani | A script named t.sh ... :)) |
| 21:42.17 | gilianima | how to write this command into a script ? => echo Hello > /home/gilles/films/ddc_`date +%Y` |
| 21:42.26 | gilianima | `date +%Y` doesn't work |
| 21:42.32 | abrotman | ask #bash ? |
| 21:42.37 | gilianima | ok |
| 21:42.37 | gevaerts | kyncani: yes, a good idea for a one-time script, but only if you rm it soon after |
| 21:42.48 | kraypius | is Wajig worth installing? |
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| 21:43.33 | gevaerts | gnufan: priority should go back to normal by itself |
| 21:44.07 | gnufan | gevaerts: no I want to change it for ever... I see an example in dpkg-preconfigure man page, but that don't look like the right way to me. |
| 21:44.42 | kraypius | anyone? wajig? |
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| 21:45.04 | submarineshaun | hi; i have an error while apt-getting; Couldn't stat source package list file: debs/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/list/_root_debs_Packages - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 21:45.18 | gevaerts | gnufan: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 21:45.20 | mada | wow ... lagg city, i synced in 4 secs |
| 21:45.40 | wakejagr | gilianima: I'd suggest trying "today=`date +%Y" ; echo hello > /home/gilles/films/ddc_"$today" |
| 21:45.46 | mada | submarineshaun: what command did you issue to get that error? |
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| 21:45.59 | submarineshaun | apt-get install <any module> |
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| 21:46.08 | mada | whoa ... |
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| 21:46.17 | wakejagr | gilianima: sorry: today=`date +%Y` ; echo hello > /home/gilles/films/ddc_"$today" |
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| 21:47.07 | lorenz | how i have to do to indicate that a cammand affects all the files in a folder? |
| 21:47.22 | mada | lorenz: -R |
| 21:47.31 | mada | well, what command? |
| 21:47.46 | lorenz | mada, lame |
| 21:47.46 | gilianima | wakejagr: it works by using more quotes |
| 21:47.54 | mada | lorenz: lame? |
| 21:47.58 | mada | never heard of it |
| 21:48.11 | lorenz | lame input.wav output.mp3 |
| 21:48.20 | mada | rgr |
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| 21:48.46 | gevaerts | lorenz: for i in *wav;do lame $i `basename $i .wav`.mp3;done |
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| 21:49.16 | lorenz | gevaerts, thanks, now i try |
| 21:49.33 | wakejagr | gilianima: is #!/bin/bash the first line of the script? If so, I'm not sure why it's not working: my daily backup script uses that method |
| 21:49.42 | mada | lorenz: i don't see any option to do this command recursively through a directory --> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/lame.1.html |
| 21:49.50 | Re1gn | is there a seperate chan to get help in |
| 21:49.53 | Re1gn | ? |
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| 21:50.12 | mada | lorenz: nvm, didn't think about inline regex ... sorry |
| 21:50.23 | gilianima | wakejagr: I didn't know I should put #!/bin/bash in the first line... |
| 21:50.54 | wakejagr | gilianima: it just forces /bin/bash to be used as the interp, instead of the default, which may be /bin/sh and will act a little differently |
| 21:51.09 | kraypius | so.. am i to assume that NOBODY here uses wajig? |
| 21:51.18 | gilianima | wakejagr: thanks for that... |
| 21:51.48 | wakejagr | gilianima: np |
| 21:53.07 | lorenz | gevaerts, thanks 1000, it works! |
| 21:53.11 | eeyore- | lorenz: generally different programs will do different things. some might accept -r or -R option, some won't. some can accept arbitrary list of file names as parameters, some won't |
| 21:53.49 | eeyore- | lorenz: it's hard to say. but there are things you can do. if a program only accepts one parameter, you can always use "find . -.... -exec command {} \;" construct |
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| 21:54.02 | lorenz | eeyore-, i know. i had readed the man lame and finding nothing i've asked here. |
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| 21:54.44 | Money | whats a good firewall and antivirus to get for linux |
| 21:55.00 | eeyore- | lorenz: if i were you, the simplest thing i'd do is, for name in *.wav; do lame [options] "$name"; done |
| 21:55.13 | gevaerts | lorenz: be careful with that kind of command. I usually first try with echo instead of the real command, to see if everything is correct |
| 21:55.19 | eeyore- | lorenz: you can test this out for yourself, for name in *.wav; do echo working on $name; done |
| 21:56.17 | eeyore- | lorenz: you can even get fancier by using bash pattern substitution |
| 21:56.29 | lorenz | gevaerts, eeyore- , ack. thanks |
| 21:57.09 | eeyore- | lorenz: like this, for name in *.wav; do echo Converting $name to ${name%%.wav}.mp3; done |
| 21:57.43 | eeyore- | lorenz: ...%%... means take out the longest matching string from the tail end |
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| 21:58.01 | Money | firewall, antivirus for linux? any good ones? |
| 21:58.10 | mortal__ | iptables |
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| 21:59.13 | lorenz | eeyore-, i've not understood the last sentence |
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| 21:59.21 | AlienX | Money, good AV for linux would probably be sophos |
| 21:59.23 | eeyore- | Money: iptables. antivirus? amavis. antivirus + antispam? postfix + amavis |
| 21:59.24 | valdyn | Money: why would you want an antivirus package for debian? |
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| 21:59.59 | eeyore- | lorenz: consider this. you have a bunch of *.wav files you want to convert to *.mp3 files, right? just changing the "extension", right? well, bash has a nice construct for that |
| 22:00.04 | abrotman | valdyn: perhaps it's a fileserver .. or mailserver? |
| 22:00.53 | valdyn | abrotman: maybe, im asking him though ) |
| 22:00.54 | lorenz | eeyore-, ok |
| 22:00.54 | eeyore- | lorenz: consider this, name=foo.wav; echo ${name%%.wav}.mp3; <- this will output foo.mp3, get it? |
| 22:01.18 | eeyore- | valdyn: for scanning windoze files? :-) |
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| 22:01.41 | valdyn | eeyore-: wish i knew what he wants |
| 22:01.49 | eeyore- | either that or he's so used to virus-infected world of windoze |
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| 22:02.00 | eeyore- | so much so that he figures "every computer" has got to behave the same way |
| 22:02.27 | falkon_ | wtf? okay, I seem to have a serious problem |
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| 22:03.04 | thefish_ | ok |
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| 22:03.44 | falkon_ | oops |
| 22:04.04 | falkon_ | sorry, got distracted. trying to install my built kernel image, it's saying there's not enough space |
| 22:04.17 | valdyn | falkon_: so? |
| 22:04.18 | niaht_w | for file in *.wav; do echo "Do something to convert $file to $(basename $file .wav).mp3"; done |
| 22:04.26 | lorenz | eeyore-, with this construct i can do a mass rename ? ex: {radix%%}.ext with output radix01.ext, radix02.ext, radix03.ext ... radixNN.ext? |
| 22:04.30 | falkon_ | valdyn: so that's a problem. I can't figure out how to fix this problem. |
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| 22:04.40 | eeyore- | loren: yep, try it with echo first :-) |
| 22:04.49 | valdyn | falkon_: delete something that takes up space |
| 22:04.58 | eeyore- | lorenz: gotta love bash/unix, eh? :-) |
| 22:05.24 | falkon_ | valdyn: that's the thing, when I partitioned the system, I must have made made the / partition too small |
| 22:05.24 | valdyn | falkon_: maybe 'apt-get clean' is sufficient, if it is not, we need more detailed information |
| 22:05.26 | lorenz | eeyore-, that' simply phenomenal ;) |
| 22:05.27 | niaht_w | falkon: use the `df` command to check how much space is available in each partition set-up on your machine. |
| 22:05.33 | valdyn | falkon_: that is bad |
| 22:05.35 | eeyore- | lorenz: check your syntax. it must look like this, ${name%%.ext}.new-ext |
| 22:05.55 | niaht_w | falkon_: use the `du` command to check how much space is used in the current directory. |
| 22:06.02 | eeyore- | lorenz: the {} has to enclose variable name (not file name), and pattern to match. the 'replacement' per se, goes outside {} |
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| 22:06.27 | eeyore- | lorenz: that is, you'd set up your loop like this, for name in radix*; do ...; done |
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| 22:06.32 | falkon_ | valdyn: it says 53% use of /. on this system I have separate partitions for /, /boot, /home, /tmp, /usr, and /var |
| 22:06.46 | falkon_ | valdyn: am I just going to have to start this whole thing over? |
| 22:06.46 | valdyn | falkon_: so your /boot/ is to small |
| 22:06.49 | niaht_w | lorenz: Or use basename. |
| 22:06.52 | falkon_ | ie, lose all my data |
| 22:06.54 | lorenz | eeyore-, nope |
| 22:07.19 | falkon_ | valdyn: no, the problem is when it tries to install all the modules into the /lib/modules |
| 22:07.21 | valdyn | falkon_: just remove a package tat is taking up space in /boot |
| 22:07.23 | falkon_ | says not enough space |
| 22:07.38 | evilbulgarian | hi, with linux-image-686-smp debian fails to boot because my aic7xxxx module does not detect my root fast enoph how can i delay the boot process ? |
| 22:07.45 | lorenz | the output files will be named radixNN.ext in my intention |
| 22:07.53 | valdyn | falkon_: umm, you just told me that /lib is on / and that only 53% are used on / |
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| 22:08.08 | stoned | I need a command line utility for pasting to pastebin, can't get into X, anything exist like that? |
| 22:08.14 | falkon_ | valdyn: and the full size of / is 186Mb |
| 22:08.18 | stoned | maybe a script or a small c script or program |
| 22:08.32 | valdyn | falkon_: ehe |
| 22:08.35 | valdyn | falkon_: i see |
| 22:08.43 | eeyore- | stoned: eh? |
| 22:08.44 | valdyn | falkon_: that still should be sufficient |
| 22:08.45 | lorenz | eeyore-, a mass rename with a common part name |
| 22:09.07 | eeyore- | lorenz: example. say, i have this .... ... ... and i want them to look like this ... ... ... |
| 22:09.08 | valdyn | falkon_: though it does some silly to have a / of that size |
| 22:09.12 | falkon_ | valdyn: apparantly not. I have cut a lot out of the kernel, yet there is still not enough room for all the modules? |
| 22:09.15 | valdyn | falkon_: s/some/sound/ |
| 22:09.26 | stoned | eeyore-, , I need a command line utility for pasting to pastebin, can't get into X, anything exist like that? |
| 22:09.27 | falkon_ | well, guess it's time of an FFR :( |
| 22:09.34 | submarineshaun | any idea whats causing this; Couldn't stat source package list file: debs/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/list/_root_debs_Packages - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:09.36 | eeyore- | stoned: doesn't command-line client like elinks/lynx/links/links2 work? |
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| 22:09.42 | falkon_ | I'll try to save as much of what I need as I can |
| 22:09.44 | valdyn | falkon_: you're giving me some wrong info, 40% of 186 is plenty for all your modules |
| 22:09.50 | eeyore- | stoned: why you need C program to post to pastebin? |
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| 22:10.57 | valdyn | submarineshaun: run apt-get update |
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| 22:11.03 | eeyore- | falkon_: goodness sake! what are you compiling into your kernel?!? |
| 22:11.06 | stoned | eeyore-, I don't care what it is, c or not, I just need to paste |
| 22:11.15 | lorenz | eeyore-, example. i have stone.jpg, tree.jpg, sun.jpg, street.jpg. i wish to have photo00.jpg, photo01.jpg, photo02.jpg and photo03.jpg. |
| 22:11.25 | eeyore- | loren: oh easy |
| 22:11.37 | stoned | eeyore-, and have you ever tried using any of the console browsers, even with gpm installed you can only select so much text at a time, try not to be useless if you can't be useful |
| 22:11.49 | valdyn | stoned: use screen |
| 22:11.50 | ice799 | Hey -- when updating and upgrading with apt yesterday i ran into the following error: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-5_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 22:11.50 | ice799 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.50 | ice799 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.56 | eeyore- | lorenz: typeset -i n; n=0; for name in *.jpg; do mv ${name} photo${n}.jpg; n=${n}+1; done |
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| 22:12.00 | ice799 | i understand what it means, but i don't know how to fix it |
| 22:12.02 | stoned | valdyn, how does that help me? |
| 22:12.22 | valdyn | stoned: you can cut and paste several screens full of text |
| 22:12.23 | eeyore- | so much anger ... so much anger |
| 22:12.23 | submarineshaun | valdyn: thank you; i thought i needed an internet connection for that command, my bad |
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| 22:13.02 | sandman | If I don't configure exim, will mail still be sent to root about system administration stuff? |
| 22:13.07 | lorenz | eeyore-, ok thanks. |
| 22:13.25 | valdyn | sandman: if you dont configure exim then no mail can be sent |
| 22:13.52 | falkon_ | valdyn: FFR? |
| 22:14.05 | stoned | valdyn, i still dont' see what 'screen' shellsortofthing program has anything to do with cutting pasting, are you saying it allowes you to scroll while you select with the mouse? unless it gives that feature, I dn't see it being useful |
| 22:14.06 | valdyn | falkon_: FFR means what? |
| 22:14.12 | kr0ddn | ice799: i encountered the same problem |
| 22:14.17 | falkon_ | valdyn: Fdisk, format, reinstall |
| 22:14.23 | ice799 | kr0ddn, do you know how to fix it? |
| 22:14.27 | jair | it is any application on debian that i can use to tracer an ip address kind of showing me graphically where the ip comes from (contry, city)?? |
| 22:14.35 | eeyore- | lorenz: i do something similar. i have a bunch of dscf<nnnn>.jpg files and i use tool like exif info to extract the date and time from the EXIF header inside the jpeg file. then i rename them based on date and time :-) |
| 22:14.36 | valdyn | stoned: it allows you to scroll while you copy text, it does not use a mouse |
| 22:14.39 | kr0ddn | i cant remember... |
| 22:14.44 | ice799 | jair, you can check yourself -- www.arin.net, but its not always accurate. |
| 22:14.54 | valdyn | falkon_: that's one way |
| 22:15.05 | falkon_ | valdyn: guess that's what I'll have to do. |
| 22:15.09 | valdyn | falkon_: and give your partitions sane sizes from the start.. |
| 22:15.14 | eeyore- | lorenz: so instead of multiple dscf0001.jpg (for example) i have 2006-03-21_110421.jpg :-) |
| 22:15.26 | ice799 | kr0ddn, did you search for somethin online and found help, or did you just fuck around until it worked? |
| 22:15.28 | kr0ddn | ice799: there is a commandline option for dpkg |
| 22:15.32 | falkon_ | valdyn: I followed a guide when I did last time |
| 22:15.44 | kr0ddn | hm |
| 22:15.55 | falkon_ | valdyn: I may be in luck. I think I put all my data from /home on another hdd |
| 22:15.56 | valdyn | falkon_: that is one bad guid that sets / to 186 |
| 22:15.57 | eeyore- | jair: IP is not associated with geographical location, at this time |
| 22:16.03 | jair | ice799, I was trying to find an application that at least shows me the locations etc.. |
| 22:16.06 | ice799 | kr0ddn, maybe history | grep dpkg |
| 22:16.12 | jair | eeyore-, ohh ok |
| 22:16.19 | eeyore- | jair: at best you can make some educated guesses, but that requires building a database of some sort to map. some people have done this. |
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| 22:16.30 | valdyn | falkon_: still - i dont know your error since you modules do not take 40% of 186 |
| 22:16.30 | kr0ddn | ice799: maybe "man dpkg" :O |
| 22:16.34 | sandman | Could I not configure exim in a chroot? |
| 22:16.44 | ice799 | kr0ddn, well im not even sure which commandline option i need, thats the problem |
| 22:16.50 | kr0ddn | i dont even know the machine i encountered the problem on |
| 22:16.53 | wireddd | is there some way that I can force everything that is in the cache to get loaded back into the system ram? |
| 22:16.57 | falkon_ | valdyn: it's looking like /boot, /home, and / are on the same disk. I think I may be able to save some data |
| 22:17.04 | jair | eeyore-, I see, but i remeber seen some kind of aplication that kind of shows you that information. At least all the route graphically. |
| 22:17.15 | lorenz | eeyore-, great ;) |
| 22:17.16 | falkon_ | fuck it, FFR |
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| 22:17.28 | gevaerts | jair: try geoip-bin |
| 22:17.29 | eeyore- | jair: that was a hack. based on xearth. maybe google for 'xearth' and traceroute |
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| 22:17.53 | bytron | A question: what is the 'correct' method for installing perl modules in debian? Maybe CPAN, or through aptitude? |
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| 22:18.07 | valdyn | wireddd: see www.kerneltrap.org, search the message about andrew mortens mm tree for colin colivas and swap prefetch |
| 22:18.16 | jair | gevaerts, eeyore- ok i will check that guys thanks. |
| 22:18.29 | kr0ddn | ice799: did you try dpkg -S /usr/include/X11 ? to which packet does it belong? |
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| 22:18.35 | Cyorxamp | I am trying to work out why I have no ttyUSB0 - can anyone help me? |
| 22:18.42 | valdyn | wireddd: im just guessing that you mean swap, not cache anyhow |
| 22:18.43 | eeyore- | bytro: a great deal of CPAN modules already have debian packages. for the ones that don't, cpan |
| 22:18.51 | wireddd | yeah, I did |
| 22:19.03 | jair | eeyore-, ok thanks |
| 22:19.08 | bytron | eeyore: Thanks, thats what I needed to know :) |
| 22:19.44 | sandman | In my chroots, can I just had null passwords for userss? |
| 22:19.47 | valdyn | sandman: what would be the point of having your mda in a chroot? |
| 22:19.56 | abrotman | pain? |
| 22:20.02 | sandman | valdyn: I don't know. Which is why I'm thinking it'd be a good idea to leave it unconfigured. |
| 22:20.10 | ice799 | kr0ddn, yeah i already tried that, it says libxft-dev, x11-common: /usr/include/X11 |
| 22:20.14 | valdyn | sandman: just dont configure your mta, i will do just as fine then |
| 22:20.22 | sandman | valdyn: How about users within?> |
| 22:20.23 | kr0ddn | ice799: then deinstall libxft-dev |
| 22:20.23 | eeyore- | sandma: that's silly. so you mean i'm invited to come into your chroot without a password, eh? |
| 22:20.27 | valdyn | sandman: ( where as fine = not at all ) |
| 22:20.40 | sandman | eeyore-: You'll need a normal user account in order to dchroot |
| 22:20.57 | eeyore- | sandman: why have 'user account' at all? if this is MTA, make it do mysql lookup |
| 22:21.01 | valdyn | sandman: why do you think your mta is a security threat? |
| 22:21.05 | ice799 | kr0ddn, can't, dependency problems |
| 22:21.10 | eeyore- | sandman: having MTA require UNIX account is so 80's :-) |
| 22:21.11 | kr0ddn | ice799: my libxft-dev does not include this file... |
| 22:21.12 | sandman | Here's what I want to do: |
| 22:21.18 | sandman | Get an etch chroot up and running proper. |
| 22:21.26 | kr0ddn | which version do you have? |
| 22:21.30 | kr0ddn | ii libxft-dev 2.1.7-1 |
| 22:21.38 | ice799 | kr0ddn, libqt3-dev depends on libxft-dev |
| 22:21.38 | sandman | bind /tmp and /chroot/etch/tmp, such that I may spawn applications from etch in an unchroot'd X session |
| 22:21.49 | sandman | So I'll need to be able to dchroot with my nonroot user |
| 22:21.53 | ice799 | kr0ddn, i GUESS i could force it, but i dont want to kill everything |
| 22:21.57 | kr0ddn | ice799: do you have a sarge or a testing system? |
| 22:21.59 | sandman | Which means the user will need to be created. |
| 22:22.05 | sandman | WIthin the chroot, that is. |
| 22:22.15 | sandman | I'm just saying: Within teh chroot, in this case, would it be a good idea to set a password? |
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| 22:22.18 | sandman | Or give it a null password? |
| 22:22.22 | kr0ddn | ice799: i know, i doent do force too |
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| 22:22.27 | sandman | Within the chroot |
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| 22:22.34 | valdyn | sandman: the full secure password |
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| 22:22.45 | kr0ddn | ice799: dpkg -l libxft-dev |
| 22:22.46 | eeyore- | ok, i don't comprehend |
| 22:22.50 | sandman | valdyn: Couldn't someone theoretically just look at the shadow file within the chroot, then, and bruteforce it? |
| 22:23.04 | ice799 | kr0ddn, ok well i removed both libqt3-dev and libxft-dev |
| 22:23.09 | ice799 | kr0ddn, hopefully the system doesnt explode |
| 22:23.13 | kr0ddn | no |
| 22:23.15 | valdyn | sandman: yes, so? cant he do the same on your main roots /etc/shadow ? |
| 22:23.23 | kr0ddn | you do not need -dev libs for live :-) |
| 22:23.33 | kr0ddn | just for compiling |
| 22:23.36 | sandman | valdyn: Should I have the password different, then? |
| 22:23.41 | ice799 | kr0ddn, yeah i know, i just hope that other dependencies dont die |
| 22:23.46 | valdyn | sandman: why? |
| 22:23.50 | sandman | That is, on my system the user bob has a password. Should his chroot account have a different password? |
| 22:23.51 | valdyn | sandman: just use the same, or whatever |
| 22:24.06 | kr0ddn | after your upgrade just reinstall libxft-dev |
| 22:24.44 | valdyn | sandman: now what i dont understand is why you'd be concerned that root can bruteforce /etc/shadow |
| 22:24.47 | kr0ddn | i can't understand what that ini-file does in libxft-dev ... |
| 22:24.53 | kr0ddn | maybe thats a bug |
| 22:25.36 | th0ger_ | How can i run another x server on vt8? Im using kdm, and in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers I have set up ':0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt7' (and correspondingly for :0 vt8). But only black screen on vt8 appears... |
| 22:25.40 | th0ger_ | restared with /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 22:26.02 | valdyn | sandman: if you give a user de facto root access he can do much worse things |
| 22:26.07 | kr0ddn | th0ger: you mean :1 |
| 22:26.14 | phogg | th0ger:1 |
| 22:26.17 | jair | how can I use geoip? |
| 22:26.24 | jair | geoip is a gui tool? |
| 22:26.27 | phogg | th0ger_: I meant: :1 |
| 22:26.37 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: phogg just typo, sorry |
| 22:26.43 | kr0ddn | kk |
| 22:27.09 | kr0ddn | did you try to run it manually? |
| 22:27.17 | astronut | how can i just return the matching part of a regexp? |
| 22:27.23 | astronut | like, sed replaces it |
| 22:27.24 | kr0ddn | /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt8 i mean |
| 22:27.26 | astronut | how do i just show what matches? |
| 22:27.30 | astronut | just /? |
| 22:27.30 | valdyn | astronut: grep |
| 22:27.41 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: yes, it works with startx -- :1 |
| 22:27.46 | astronut | valdyn: echoo foobar | grep -e ba? |
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| 22:28.03 | abrotman | i love the echoo command |
| 22:28.13 | astronut | oops |
| 22:28.17 | abrotman | echo-ho-o-o-o is better though |
| 22:28.25 | kr0ddn | ??? |
| 22:28.25 | astronut | basically, i want to grab only the stuff after the last slash |
| 22:28.27 | astronut | how cna i do that |
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| 22:29.32 | phogg | astronut: sed -re 's/.*\/([^\/]*)/\1/' # or something |
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| 22:31.10 | hjubal | hi |
| 22:31.32 | k31th | Alright guys |
| 22:31.53 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: 'startx -- :1' runs my wm(fluxbox). '/usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt8' gives me an "empty session" (gray back/black X-cursor) |
| 22:32.33 | eeyore- | astro: "man sed", search forward of \1 (might have to type in \\1 |
| 22:32.41 | kr0ddn | th0ger_: i don not use kde, so i cannot help you any further :( |
| 22:32.45 | phogg | th0ger_: naturally, if you don't specify a session. Look in the startx script some time |
| 22:32.49 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: ok |
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| 22:33.03 | kr0ddn | what do you want to do with the second session? |
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| 22:33.57 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: allow 2 user to have their own xserver at the same time |
| 22:34.34 | kr0ddn | doesn't kde allow to start a seconde session at the position where you can log out? |
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| 22:34.54 | kr0ddn | on SuSE there is such an option, i dont know what's at debian |
| 22:35.10 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: from inside kde or from kdm? |
| 22:35.14 | kr0ddn | uh, too late. my english goes to bed :) |
| 22:35.23 | kr0ddn | th0ger_: from inside a kde session |
| 22:35.53 | kr0ddn | There's somethink similar to windows XP... "Start another session on vt8" or so |
| 22:36.27 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: no, i can choose "change user" to any of the vt's whre someone is already logged in |
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| 22:36.36 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: but not new vt's |
| 22:36.45 | kr0ddn | äh... |
| 22:37.12 | kr0ddn | wait, i'm powering vmware |
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| 22:37.45 | kr0ddn | on my suse there is such an option |
| 22:38.05 | kr0ddn | "change user" -> "neue sitzung starten" |
| 22:38.18 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: nope |
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| 22:40.16 | th0ger_ | kr0ddn: anyway, i dont want to start i manually after each startup |
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| 22:41.16 | eeyore- | 'switch user' in gnome will start up a new X |
| 22:41.23 | kr0ddn | i understand. sorry... |
| 22:41.26 | eeyore- | or, you can use Xnest |
| 22:41.39 | eeyore- | there are other possibilities |
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| 22:42.34 | Error_X | I have some trouble when installing debian from floppy to a 486 laptop (using current sarge disks). It says: The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) Check, bla bla bla.. and in that file it says: tar: ./usr/share/man/man3/Locale::gettext.3pm.gz: Invalid argument |
| 22:42.34 | eeyore- | there isn't a way (yet) to bind specific keyboards/mouse to specific head of X. it would be cool if you could. |
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| 22:42.37 | th0ger_ | eeyore-: i know, but an xserver with kdm on vt8 is what i want ;) |
| 22:42.50 | abrotman | so start one |
| 22:43.04 | eeyore- | three words: too many projects |
| 22:43.04 | th0ger_ | abrotman: how? :) |
| 22:43.25 | jade | when i attempt to ssh -X to a remote host, i receive error message 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host', any ideas why? |
| 22:43.26 | abrotman | th0ger_: i use gdm .. and it can do it directly in the conf file |
| 22:43.56 | th0ger_ | abrotman: im trying too with kdm too, but it wont work |
| 22:43.58 | abrotman | th0ger_: i also don't have a single box with X here .. so if you want me to look .. you'll hve to wait until the bosses let me leave this wonderful place |
| 22:44.25 | th0ger_ | abrotman: how long? |
| 22:44.36 | abrotman | soon i hope :) |
| 22:44.43 | Azar | jade to give you an example my box blocks logins over ssh... |
| 22:45.05 | abrotman | th0ger_: there's nothing in your kdm config to let you start another ? |
| 22:45.08 | Azar | .. but that only because I configured it so |
| 22:45.11 | grendal_prime | i dont think i have ever met a bigger group of assholes than #openvpn . |
| 22:45.24 | abrotman | grendal_prime: and now you've come to #debian .. we'll prove you wrong! |
| 22:45.28 | grendal_prime | log on there and just ask a simple vpn question |
| 22:45.29 | eeyore- | jade: ssh -X -v, and read the log :-) |
| 22:45.36 | th0ger_ | abrotman: there should be |
| 22:45.39 | grendal_prime | naaaa seriously. this is nothing |
| 22:45.49 | abrotman | th0ger_: i still don't use kdm .. but you might want to ask #debian-kde |
| 22:45.50 | grendal_prime | one guy called me a girl |
| 22:45.50 | th0ger_ | abrotman: one line for each vt with x |
| 22:45.59 | abrotman | th0ger_: that's the idea |
| 22:46.00 | grendal_prime | wich...i mean maybe i am..who cares.. |
| 22:46.11 | abrotman | grendal_prime: we know you are ... |
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| 22:46.19 | grendal_prime | but the fact that he thinks its an insult is proof enough |
| 22:46.22 | Azar | grendal_prime: try #debian on Sunday |
| 22:46.31 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:46.44 | eeyore- | grenda: don't be a girl .... |
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| 22:47.18 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: you should tell him, "i'm not a girl, i'm XXX" (or XXY, whatever floats your boat) |
| 22:47.54 | submarineshaun | what command do i give to get debain 31r1 to check for security updates on the internet? |
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| 22:48.19 | Azar | submarineshaun: try apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:48.26 | submarineshaun | thanks |
| 22:48.49 | eeyore- | submarinesh: try ... expecto patronum! and flick your mouse like so .... swish swish |
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| 22:49.07 | Azar | :) |
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| 22:50.02 | submarineshaun | ah, i have a problem with that last sugestion |
| 22:50.08 | unity | hello, can someone help me with setting up sound? i have installed alsa-utils and alsaconf, and when running alsaconf, it is unable to detect any sound card. my sound card is integrated to my motherboard |
| 22:50.16 | submarineshaun | its a laptop, with a touchpad |
| 22:50.21 | Error_X | unity: nforce? |
| 22:50.32 | Error_X | unity: nforce chipset?* |
| 22:50.37 | unity | Error_X, no, i'm not sure what it is called, but i don't think it's an nforce |
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| 22:50.46 | sewi | Hello, sorry for an off-topic question but I don't know where to ask. There is a recent disco song I heard on the radio. The only thing I could hear from the song was "... santa fe ..." singing by a woman. Anyone can recognize what is the title and the band of this song? |
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| 22:50.54 | Azar | unity: first, state what Debian distro you are using, what kernel version, then do a lspci command and paste content in a paster, and show it to us |
| 22:51.00 | Error_X | unity: do you have your motherboard case? |
| 22:51.01 | JoeSchmoe | My next computer is going to be a 100% free Debian computer - no Sun Java or any of that nonsense |
| 22:51.19 | jade | here's the log for ssh error 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host' http://channels.debian.net/paste/2254 |
| 22:51.19 | [ucb]deb | i'm having problems giving K3B "root access". i've tried su -c k3b but complains about not being to connect to the X server. is there a simple solution to this? |
| 22:51.28 | JoeSchmoe | I'm running Debian now but I cheated and have Sun Java etc. |
| 22:51.45 | eeyore- | unity: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 22:52.10 | grendal_prime | i told him i was a girl...and a porn star as well...and he just lost all hope of cuddling |
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| 22:52.21 | grendal_prime | pricl |
| 22:52.23 | grendal_prime | prick |
| 22:52.24 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 22:53.05 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: good one |
| 22:53.06 | unity | Error_X, Azar, eeyore-: 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) <-- from lspci |
| 22:53.19 | Azar | unity, nice |
| 22:53.20 | astronut | eh? |
| 22:53.22 | unity | Error_X, Azar, eeyore-: Debian Sarge. 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 22:53.30 | eeyore- | jade: that's it? hmmmmmmm, if i had to pull an answer out of my ass, maybe you didn't put your putlic key on the server side |
| 22:53.31 | Azar | unity not nice :( |
| 22:53.37 | astronut | i get a message saying that there proccesses named apache2 running, but pgrep/ps -ef say there aren't |
| 22:53.45 | unity | Azar, something wrong with my kernel? |
| 22:53.53 | Azar | eeyore-: can he go with the 2.4.x kernel? |
| 22:53.58 | grendal_prime | it was just lame i said i was having some difficulty, he ask me to past into pastbin the configs..i did then he starts talking about how i need to learn how to configure the thing...well obviously i was asking for help with that exact thing...(i wasn not trying to conceal that fact) |
| 22:53.59 | eeyore- | unity: ok, does your kernel support that? (2.4 is kind of old) |
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| 22:54.08 | unity | Azar, i remember on my old install, it had an i686 at the end, and it was a 2.6 |
| 22:54.13 | eeyore- | azar: i'd go with 2.6 --- that's a fairly recent chip |
| 22:54.29 | Azar | unity: uname -a tell us what it is |
| 22:54.40 | unity | Azar, Linux strawberry 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:54.47 | grendal_prime | he pointed me to a website which i had been reading over and over again and aparently i was missing something..(and the site was rather vague anway) |
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| 22:55.16 | edmundo__ | anyone here knows if there is a way to import the contents of the debian DVDs inside apt-proxy? |
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| 22:55.39 | Azar | unity grab a 2.6.8 kernel from apt-cache search - for your particular cpu then aptitude install kernel-image..your 2.6.8 cpu type here |
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| 22:56.04 | Azar | unity, it only makes it easier for your drivers... |
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| 22:56.27 | E0x | any recomendetion of a web of dedicated server with debian ? |
| 22:56.35 | unity | Azar, ok i will get a new kernel now, and then sudo reboot, right? |
| 22:56.40 | eeyore- | unity: i know that 2.6 supports c-media 8738 for sure, don't remember if 2.4 has it |
| 22:56.41 | ChrisW | hmm, what's the debian equivalent of the following: daemon --user=$MAILDROP_USER $SOFTWARE_HOME/maildrop/bin/start_maildrop |
| 22:56.42 | Azar | unity are you running lilo or grub? |
| 22:56.43 | ChrisW | ? |
| 22:57.09 | Azar | unity! |
| 22:57.18 | ChrisW | E0x: you looking to rent a amchine? |
| 22:57.25 | unity | Azar, i actually have no clue...but in /boot i see /boot/grub so i'll assume grub |
| 22:57.32 | Azar | nice :) |
| 22:57.37 | E0x | ChrisW: yes |
| 22:57.57 | submarineshaun | anyone know what disc kernel-headers are on? |
| 22:58.01 | eeyore- | e0x: if you're cheap, 1dollarhosting.com |
| 22:58.06 | eeyore- | $1/month |
| 22:58.08 | eeyore- | with php |
| 22:58.12 | eeyore- | holy shit! :-) |
| 22:58.14 | submarineshaun | i really dont want to be scanning 31 cds in right now |
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| 22:58.36 | eeyore- | (no mysql, though, can't have everything for a buck a month) |
| 22:58.39 | jade | eeyore-, was running a massive mysql insert yesterday before detaching screen and leaving for the night. today just now i try to login and get this error message from ssh. |
| 22:58.50 | E0x | eeyore-: i need more |
| 22:58.55 | E0x | any other link ? |
| 22:58.57 | eeyore- | jade: could it be the server OOM'd? |
| 22:59.05 | ChrisW | E0x: if you want quality and have money, I'd recommend rackspace ;-) |
| 22:59.20 | eeyore- | e0x: oh lots, sitegenie.com |
| 22:59.22 | unity | what does smp mean in kernel image package names? |
| 22:59.22 | E0x | i am looking for something no more that 200 per month |
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| 22:59.31 | jade | eeyore-, unfortuantely i have no access to it's console. |
| 22:59.38 | submarineshaun | ok, better question, is there anywhere that will tell you on what disc a package is located? |
| 22:59.39 | eeyore- | E0x: i like sitegenie, they'll do custom OS, no question. all i needed them for is to hit the power switch every now and then |
| 22:59.40 | Azar | errr I knew, but forgot eeyore- knows |
| 22:59.43 | ChrisW | hmmm, is this the daemon being referred to in the line of shell script I posted? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/daemon |
| 22:59.45 | E0x | ChrisW: the 99 servers ? |
| 22:59.45 | ChrisW | ? |
| 22:59.48 | eeyore- | jade: ask someone who has console :-) |
| 22:59.53 | ChrisW | does it ship with RedfHat as standard? |
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| 23:00.00 | thingfish | unity: symmetric multi processor |
| 23:00.02 | ChrisW | E0x: huh? |
| 23:00.06 | Azar | eeyore- kernel question: what is smp? |
| 23:00.08 | unity | thingfish, thanks |
| 23:00.08 | E0x | ChrisW: nevermind |
| 23:00.18 | Azar | thanks thingfish |
| 23:00.20 | eeyore- | azar: symmetric multiprocessing, for multiple CPU's or multicore |
| 23:00.26 | eeyore- | azar: or hyperthreading |
| 23:00.27 | thingfish | unity: for more than one cpu, or for hyperthreading cpus. |
| 23:00.59 | E0x | eeyore-: look good sitegenie |
| 23:01.05 | eeyore- | e0x: and cheap :-) |
| 23:01.15 | thingfish | man, this place near here's got a deal on a dual core 2.6, with 512mb and asrock motherboard, $299. |
| 23:01.17 | Azar | unity: k7 is for AMD and for Intel usually is 686 or 386 |
| 23:01.59 | E0x | eeyore-: but i dont see a debian opcion |
| 23:02.38 | E0x | let see now rackspace.... |
| 23:02.43 | eeyore- | E0x: when you place an order (or, email tech support), ask for debian |
| 23:03.06 | eeyore- | E0x: it's probably not on the page, but they'll do anything you want. haven't asked for gentoo ;-) |
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| 23:03.16 | eeyore- | hmm, $49/mo for 1U colocation .... hmmm ... |
| 23:03.30 | Stevie-O | how much for 2U? |
| 23:04.04 | submarineshaun | $98??? |
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| 23:04.26 | E0x | heh |
| 23:04.30 | eeyore- | thingfish: is dualcore support still iffy in linux? |
| 23:04.44 | thingfish | eeyore-: I'm sure it is. |
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| 23:05.04 | thingfish | eeyore-: besides, it would be for my mom. ;) |
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| 23:05.24 | eeyore- | thingfish: your mom needs dualcore? holy crap. |
| 23:05.29 | thingfish | I doubt that it will ever see linux. but all the same, it's still a tempting offer. |
| 23:05.50 | thingfish | eeyore-: no, not at all really. but she needs something, and the price is right. |
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| 23:06.14 | eeyore- | thingfi: have you asked if she might want something small/silent like the acer mini-pc? |
| 23:06.23 | eeyore- | thingfish: she might appreciate silence ... |
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| 23:06.39 | unity | thingfish, i have bad experience with asrock boards |
| 23:06.59 | annukai | I'm having some trouble setting up kdm or it's asssociated components - i get this: "Starting K Display Manager: kdm[drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space 131056 wanted 131064 |
| 23:07.10 | thingfish | eeyore-: I'm sure she would, but she doesn't really want a whole new computer. |
| 23:07.23 | harre | I have a problem with installing debian, after pressing enter at the boot prompt I get a blueish screeen and the system doesn't look like it's responding, it happens right before I can chose language setting, anyone know what could be wrong? I have also tried ubunto with the same result |
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| 23:07.31 | annukai | i think it's a video driver issue, but i don't know how to go about resolving it |
| 23:07.33 | eeyore- | annuka: if i had to pull answer out of my ass (again), i'd go into bios and increase memory allocated to your onboard graphics |
| 23:07.43 | thingfish | unity: good to hear that; my lack of experience with them is what kind of sours the deal for me. |
| 23:08.11 | eeyore- | annukai: or maybe your DRM is just plain too old :-))))) |
| 23:08.26 | unity | thingfish, two of them died within three months after building the computer |
| 23:08.34 | thingfish | unity: yikes |
| 23:08.42 | kyncani | harre: try installing with linux-2.6 ??? |
| 23:08.47 | unity | thingfish, and my asus's have never died ever |
| 23:08.54 | annukai | sorry, im new to this. drm=? |
| 23:08.59 | unity | thingfish, but of course they've only been around a year now |
| 23:09.02 | harre | kyncani: I tried that but it didn't help either |
| 23:09.25 | kyncani | harre: well, maybe with acpi=off or noapic ? |
| 23:09.30 | thingfish | unity: I have only ever bought name brand boards, too. I'm real fond of asus. |
| 23:09.38 | eeyore- | unity: you'd like my KSI board :-) the cpu retention bracket broke. called them, and just like that, no question asked, they sent *two* (not one, but TWO) replacement brackets :-) |
| 23:09.44 | astronut | anyone mind giving me a hand w/ an apache issue? |
| 23:10.02 | eeyore- | on the one hand, it's nice of them. on the other hand, makes you wonder if MSI has issues with retention brackets in the past :) |
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| 23:10.11 | Azar | my msi mobos around still kicking : 7 years, 5 years, and two one year old |
| 23:10.14 | harre | ok, I'll try that, it's a nforce2 chipset with r9800pro and a tft monitor |
| 23:10.28 | unity | eeyore-, what a coincidence; my retention bracket broke too when i was dusting out the mobo. i just left it there though |
| 23:10.29 | astronut | i'm doing a migration from 1.3->2.0 and get this error: [Wed Mar 29 18:08:33 2006] [error] VirtualHost *:443 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results |
| 23:10.38 | eeyore- | well, at least i know athlon xp 4000+'s thermal diode *works* |
| 23:10.46 | eeyore- | it stopped the chip from overheating in like two seconds or so |
| 23:10.48 | unity | eeyore-, i run the computer with the heatsink just sitting on top of the processor, not latched in |
| 23:11.08 | thingfish | eeyore-: yeah those things go up in flames quick. |
| 23:11.16 | thingfish | good it worked. |
| 23:11.17 | harre | going to switch ethernet cables now, back in a bit |
| 23:11.20 | Azar | the bartons in flame |
| 23:11.45 | eeyore- | Azar: i have a thunderbird too, that thing runs hot :-) |
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| 23:12.02 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 23:12.14 | Azar | eeyore I only used opterons and semprons so far, I allways shy away from barton |
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| 23:13.11 | annukai | eeyore: i have no option in the bios to allocate more memory to onboard video. |
| 23:13.47 | eeyore- | what's the name of that google video site? i just need some mpeg2 to test out mplayer's xvmc support |
| 23:14.11 | unity | Azar, thanks for your help! i really appreciate it. i will now boot into my new kernel |
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| 23:14.41 | eeyore- | nm |
| 23:15.48 | Nopalin | hey, what driver i need to compile for scanner? |
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| 23:16.08 | loggygreg | eeyore-: use yahoo |
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| 23:17.08 | harres | Ok, I tried linux26 acpi=off or noapic with no luck, the screen looks like have wrong refreshrate though it's a TFT monitor |
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| 23:18.37 | miguelanxo | Hi there |
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| 23:19.21 | kyncani | harres: out of suggestion then, sorry |
| 23:19.24 | relbs | is it possible to create a mountable, compressed disk image? Like, a dd that ignores zero blocks? |
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| 23:20.23 | annukai | so.. did anyone read my question? am I having problems b/c there is 8 less bytes than expected? |
| 23:20.23 | astronut | anyone mind giving me a hand w/ apache |
| 23:20.51 | th0ger_ | How do i restart kdm properly, to pick up a new configuration? Isnt this 'respawn' a problem? |
| 23:21.06 | zood_ | !tell annukai about ask |
| 23:21.06 | harres | kyncani: Ok, trying another monitor now |
| 23:21.07 | joeyjones | astronut: apt-get install apache |
| 23:21.08 | astronut | th0ger_: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 23:21.17 | astronut | joeyjones: look up.. had a specific error |
| 23:21.23 | joeyjones | lol |
| 23:21.25 | joeyjones | sorry |
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| 23:21.32 | annukai | thanks |
| 23:21.40 | annukai | i did |
| 23:21.50 | annukai | but i'll clarify |
| 23:21.50 | th0ger_ | astronut: can i be _sure_ that its it the same result as rebooting the machine? |
| 23:21.55 | miguelanxo | I've setup a debian router (echo "1" >/proc/.../ip_forward and all the stuff) in a vmware virtual machine, but it doesn't route anything. As I've setup the vmware network as "bridged", It should work, but it doesn't. tcpdump in the guest machine doesn't show any packets routed from the host via the guest (it shows the packets from the host to the LAN thou). Any help? |
| 23:22.00 | zood_ | annukai sorry I ment astronut |
| 23:22.02 | harres | hmm, It works if I connect my crt monitor, anyone know any issues with TFTs? |
| 23:22.06 | Azar | zood_: scroll up for annukai's asked question |
| 23:22.11 | astronut | th0ger_: should bee |
| 23:22.20 | Azar | ah ok /me takes it back |
| 23:22.44 | astronut | zood_: i did already, look up |
| 23:23.10 | annukai | i'm going to run xf86config again and see if its a problem ther |
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| 23:23.44 | xpato | i need a system audit tool, any hints? |
| 23:23.54 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 23:24.00 | obscuresoul | "dhclient eth0" assigns me an ip. how can i stop it? |
| 23:24.17 | michal_ | hi anyone have any idea how i should structure the following command so that the resulting ta file is on the local machine AND all stderr/stdout is in the logfile? |
| 23:24.19 | zood_ | astronut, my bad |
| 23:24.22 | michal_ | ssh cope tar jcvf - $BACKUP | cat > $TARFILE >> $LOGFILE 2>&1 |
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| 23:27.09 | joeyjones | how do i load a deattached screen? |
| 23:27.19 | michal_ | screen -r |
| 23:27.30 | harres | hmm, It works if I connect my crt monitor, anyone know any issues with LCDs, it's hyndaii imagequest q17? |
| 23:27.44 | joeyjones | doesn't do anything |
| 23:28.00 | michal_ | then there is no deatached screen |
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| 23:28.18 | joeyjones | but it shows when i do screen -list |
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| 23:28.21 | LtL | joeyjones - try 'screen -x' |
| 23:28.23 | ontehline22 | ok, I just installed debian becuz theres this kid at scool that I dun like, now how do I hack him?? |
| 23:28.46 | michal_ | maybe you ARE attached to it |
| 23:28.53 | joeyjones | i am now |
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| 23:29.01 | xpato | i need a system audit tool, any hints? |
| 23:29.02 | joeyjones | but i can't see the data that should be there... |
| 23:29.40 | michal_ | does -x allow multiple connections to the same screen session? |
| 23:29.47 | ontehline22 | ok, but seriously, im havign a problem after I boot with etsting that some programs like text editor take 5 mins to start up..even the second time... |
| 23:29.53 | ontehline22 | and I have a fast PC.. |
| 23:29.58 | Stevie-O | erm |
| 23:30.08 | michal_ | so anyone know how i could pull off that ssh/tar/logfile thing? |
| 23:30.16 | LtL | michal_ - yes it will. |
| 23:30.24 | joeyjones | screen-x ask Attach from inside of screen? |
| 23:30.26 | submarineshaun | ontheline22: what text editor are you trying to use? |
| 23:30.27 | joeyjones | i type yes |
| 23:30.37 | joeyjones | then i get a long line of "y"'s |
| 23:30.42 | _Atomo64_ | hi... I'm using etch, and yesterday I downloaded the 2.6.15-1-686 kernel... I was using 2.6.8-386 before... and... when I rebooted yesterday with the new kernel, the sound system wasn't working... so some guys helped me out to make it work by using ALSA. Then I wanted to add the lsm kernel module, so I downloaded the headers of the new kernel and then I got to compile it, but then I couldn't modprobe it, it was saying that it couldn't find it... so an other |
| 23:30.52 | annukai | i was thinking that i could not run kdm because of an xserver problem. When i run xf86cfg, i get a windowed config thing that appears to be locked up. Does this mean anything to anyone? |
| 23:30.53 | LtL | joeyjones - ctrl^a-d |
| 23:30.59 | ontehline22 | submarineshaun: No, it's just alot of programs...sometimes konqueror will take like 5 mins to start up, and mozilla would start up instantly.. |
| 23:31.27 | michal_ | joeyjones, that just means that you WERE attached already like i said |
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| 23:31.41 | Azar | congrats unity |
| 23:31.44 | joeyjones | ok then |
| 23:31.44 | LtL | joeyjones - typeing 'yes' does that, just ctrl+c it. |
| 23:31.57 | joeyjones | how would i go about loading a backgroung running process? |
| 23:32.06 | submarineshaun | aye, well KDE is a bit of a beast; i wasnt happy until i reinstalled debain from scratch, just the default packages and just add the ones i needed |
| 23:32.16 | michal_ | this is annoying :/ i can't figure out how to do this redirection.. i keep getting the ta file inside the logfile |
| 23:32.16 | Stevie-O | gah. |
| 23:32.32 | unity | Azar, thx, but a lot of new problems arose. i don't see an nvidia-kernel package that matches my kernel, 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 23:32.41 | LtL | joeyjones - /usr/bin/whatever & [backrounds it] |
| 23:32.47 | michal_ | i don't see why.. that tar is eing redirected to a FILE not stder or stdout.. how can it go intothe logfile? :/ |
| 23:32.50 | Azar | unity: your X does not work? |
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| 23:33.00 | zood_ | ontehline22, I think I was having a problem like that on my first installation. If I remember correctly it disappeared when I switched from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel |
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| 23:33.02 | LtL | joeyjones - type 'jobs' |
| 23:33.08 | unity | Azar, yeah, i had to change the drivers from nvidia to vesa though |
| 23:33.15 | ontehline22 | submarineshaun, I did install it bare.. |
| 23:33.15 | Azar | bah |
| 23:33.26 | Azar | unity /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 23:33.34 | submarineshaun | ontehline22: try zoods suggestion then |
| 23:33.48 | joeyjones | LtL: 'jobs' gets me nothing |
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| 23:34.14 | ontehline22 | zood_: I installed 2.6 |
| 23:34.17 | LtL | joeyjones - then none are running that are yours. |
| 23:34.27 | joeyjones | i nkow that |
| 23:34.36 | unity | Azar, i never would have guessed that command... |
| 23:34.37 | joeyjones | i need to access another user's background program |
| 23:34.39 | tix64 | michal_: what about 'ssh cope tar jcvf - $BACKUP > $TARFILE 2>> $LOGFILE' ? |
| 23:34.44 | joeyjones | i'm root btw |
| 23:34.54 | Azar | unity, in here, ask dpkg /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:35.16 | michal_ | tix64: that won't do what i want because all the files wll be on the remote machine.. or at LEAST the tarfile will be |
| 23:35.22 | Azar | unity or, if you already have it reconfigure it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 23:35.33 | _Atomo64_ | anyone? |
| 23:35.33 | unity | Azar, i did, i was just commenting on how that's hardly a one-liner since it takes so many lines |
| 23:35.35 | michal_ | tix64: the pipe lets me pipe from the remote machinnnne to the local one |
| 23:35.35 | zood_ | ontehline22, doh. Hmmm I know I was having that problem but I guess I cant recall the fix. Have you checked watched with top and checked the logs as you start these slow startup processes? |
| 23:35.54 | Azar | :) unity just a long command to install nvidia |
| 23:35.57 | LtL | joeyjones - if it's in a screen you can attach to it. otherwise all you can do is monitor it or kill PID. |
| 23:36.03 | ontehline22 | zood_: Yes, like 200 of my 684 RAM was being used, nothing stressed |
| 23:36.10 | ontehline22 | 784* |
| 23:36.19 | michal_ | tix64: i'm getting the impression that the stdout/stderr redirect is actually catching the output from the original tar command :/ |
| 23:36.27 | zood_ | ontehline22, logs? |
| 23:36.29 | michal_ | tix64, ssh commandrather |
| 23:36.30 | joeyjones | monitor it? |
| 23:36.35 | ontehline22 | zood_: nerp |
| 23:36.45 | eeyore- | has anybody set up hostapd on linux + wpa/psk on another machine? i have never done it and wnat to know if there's a howto somewhere that's helpful and not vague :-) |
| 23:37.01 | LtL | joeyjones - ps aux |
| 23:37.02 | michal_ | tix64, and even if i put the ssh and the output fromthe pipe in quotes it sticks the tar file on the remote machine ather than the local one |
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| 23:37.13 | tix64 | michal_: what tar file? your original command was 'ssh cope tar jcvf - $BACKUP | cat > $TARFILE >> $LOGFILE 2>&1' which creates the tar archive on stdout. |
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| 23:37.56 | unity | Azar, thx again, restarting X now |
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| 23:38.01 | tix64 | michal_: have you actually tried my command line? |
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| 23:38.38 | joeyjones | LtL: is that a command? |
| 23:39.00 | LtL | joeyjones - yes, the 'ps' command. |
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| 23:39.31 | ontehline22 | Im trying to install debian stable, but after I run 'apt-get install kde x-window-system-core' and set up everything it pops up in extremely low resolution, colorless, and im looking at a corner of the screen, and it looks worse than windows 3.1... what am I doing wrong here? monitor settings? |
| 23:40.20 | Azar | ontehline22: you rushed up to the candies: you need to install/configure your video driver |
| 23:40.29 | michal_ | tix64, it didn't look right so i didn't. trying to get it back onthe screen now but i'm having a lot of difficulty (SLOW vnc connection) |
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| 23:40.46 | flux | hello :) |
| 23:40.53 | tix64 | michal_: again: 'ssh cope tar jcvf - $BACKUP > $TARFILE 2>> $LOGFILE' |
| 23:40.57 | joeyjones | LtL: do you know of a good bandwidth monitor? |
| 23:41.05 | joeyjones | like total traffioc |
| 23:41.11 | ryushe | Hi there, just downloaded and burned the netinst iso for ia64 machines, but for some reason it won't boot from the CD. Machine is a full IDE machine, with HD and CD on same IDE (only 1 slot), with all SATA disabled in BIOS. |
| 23:41.22 | ryushe | any suggestions? |
| 23:41.23 | flux | excuse me, i just created a 3 Gb partition with cfdisk |
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| 23:41.40 | LtL | joeyjones - iostat is there. i think |
| 23:41.41 | flux | and then, : mkfs.vfat /dev/hda3 |
| 23:41.42 | michal_ | tix64, includingthe single quotes? |
| 23:41.49 | annukai | would I have problems with xserver if my mouse is not set up correctly? |
| 23:41.55 | tix64 | michal_: without them |
| 23:42.01 | flux | but after reboot, "df -h" tells me the partition is only 1 Gb ... |
| 23:42.02 | Azar | unity: how goes? |
| 23:42.09 | flux | do you know what i should do ? |
| 23:42.21 | michal_ | -bash: $TARFILE: ambiguous redirect |
| 23:42.45 | unity | Azar, i don't think it worked, when i checked my conf, the driver was still vesa, and after i changed it to nvidia, i didn't see the nvidia splash screen |
| 23:43.01 | Stevie-O | wtf |
| 23:43.07 | tix64 | michal_: how does your $TARFILE var look like? |
| 23:43.12 | Azar | unity: the name of the driver module is "nv" |
| 23:43.18 | joeyjones | LtL: iostat reads drive and spu useage |
| 23:43.22 | joeyjones | *cpu |
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| 23:43.42 | Azar | unity: try again |
| 23:44.02 | michal_ | tix64, hang on.. i was momentarily mentally incapacitated |
| 23:44.14 | joeyjones | i need it because my monthly bw cap is 500gigs, and i can;t go over |
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| 23:44.47 | Azar | unity: you could give a ride with modconf as well see if agpgart is enabled.... then do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again and look for "nv" |
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| 23:45.07 | LtL | joeyjones - I don't know any bandwidth tools other than testing/timing. |
| 23:45.10 | unity | Azar, glxinfo says that direct rendering is on, maybe the nvidia splash screen just went by too fast |
| 23:45.11 | Puterman | hey all |
| 23:45.12 | deeee | Hi everyone. Can anyone give some hints about reviving my network? DSL router (busybox) is conflicting with debian server box. Using xp on usb dsl modem now :) |
| 23:45.21 | ryushe | Hi there, just downloaded and burned the netinst iso for ia64 machines, but for some reason it won't boot from the CD. Machine is a full IDE machine, with HD and CD on same IDE (only 1 slot), with all SATA disabled in BIOS. Yes, the machine is in fact ia64. Any suggestions? |
| 23:45.34 | Azar | unity: if you have a good quality screen it is ok |
| 23:45.50 | Puterman | I can get my kernel information from uname -a but how do I verify that it's the latest kernel that my system will run? |
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| 23:46.19 | Puterman | I want to run 2.6 on my ppc box but I only get 2.4 from apt-get upgrade |
| 23:46.51 | unity | Puterman, `apt-cache 2.6` maybe |
| 23:46.52 | Azar | Puterman: for Debian Sarge the higest kernel you can get is 2.6.8 |
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| 23:47.03 | unity | Puterman, `apt-cache search 2.6` maybe |
| 23:47.09 | Azar | Puterman: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 23:47.23 | joeyjones | does anyone know of a bandwidth transfer monitor, or a limiter? |
| 23:47.58 | unity | ryushe, did you set the bios to boot from cd before hdd? |
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| 23:48.08 | michal_ | tix64, i think it's working.. i didn't realize that the > just like the | would redirect to the local filesystem.. thanks |
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| 23:48.51 | tix64 | michal_: no prob |
| 23:49.14 | unity | ryushe, another thing, i dled'd cd 1 and it didn't boot, so then i burned netinst instead, at burned at a slower speed, and it worked. the burning could have went bad |
| 23:49.55 | Puterman | so if I have a powerpc I should be able to : get-apt install kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc |
| 23:50.16 | Azar | Puterman: is that waht you see on the list? |
| 23:50.20 | Puterman | I have this now: 2.4.17_mvl21-sandpoint |
| 23:50.28 | Puterman | ya I see it in the list |
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| 23:50.37 | Azar | hm |
| 23:50.58 | michal_ | tix64, does the 2>> take account of stderr or just stdout? |
| 23:51.05 | eeyore- | thingfish: still want a good deal? |
| 23:51.26 | submarineshaun | is oos installed from base in debian sarge 31r1, with linux26 option on boot? |
| 23:51.41 | submarineshaun | if how, how do i test it without mucking iwht alsa? |
| 23:52.05 | tix64 | michal_: 2>> appends file descriptor 2 (stderr) to the filename that follows it. |
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| 23:52.17 | eeyore- | thingfish: Dell Dimension 1100 Desktop, $299, celeron 325 (2.53GHz, 256K L2, 533MHz FSB), 256MB, XP Home, 80GB 7200RPM, 48x cdrom, 10/100, 15" E156FP Dell LCD. |
| 23:52.37 | annukai | thanks for the help, all |
| 23:52.42 | tix64 | michal_: so, yes 2>> is just stderr |
| 23:52.45 | annukai | i think i have my problem solved for now |
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| 23:53.04 | Puterman | Azar are you looking so should I keep digging? |
| 23:53.09 | michal_ | tix64, and stdout? this gets run in a cronjob and the idea istha there will be no output which isn't caught in the logfile |
| 23:53.42 | Azar | Puterman if you said you saw that, then install that, I do not see it |
| 23:53.48 | harre | I have a issue with my LCD monitor, when I try to install debian or ubuntu I only get a flickering screen, but it works perfectly with my CRT monitor, anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 23:53.54 | phaedral | i've followed instructions in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.SMTP-AUTH, but still get "relaying denied" errors; looking for a clue... |
| 23:54.11 | phaedral | this is on a no-X sarge system |
| 23:54.56 | abrotman | because that matters for mail ... |
| 23:55.10 | tix64 | michal_: stdout is your tarfile. remember you say 'tar jcf - dir/' on the remote machine. this will write the tar archive to stdout which is redirected to a file on the local machine with '> $TARFILE' |
| 23:55.48 | phaedral | abrotman: ? |
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| 23:57.06 | flux | does anybody know why a partition "0C windows vfat32" created with cfdisk -> 3Gb .... then : mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hda3 -> df -h : /dev/hda3 = 1 Gb ???? |
| 23:57.24 | grapefruit | im getting an error at boot when the default gateway of eth1 is being set..my eth0 has the same default gateway, could this be the cause of the problem? |
| 23:57.30 | eeyore- | nobody is interested in the Dell deal? that comes *with* 15" flat panel (analog :-p) |
| 23:57.59 | Azar | never got inlove with laptops |
| 23:58.02 | annukai | flux: wouldn't it be worth it to make an NTFS partition instead of a fat32? |
| 23:58.18 | michal_ | tix64, will all erors without exception goto stderr? ie incorrect hostname, bad tar options, etc ? |
| 23:58.21 | flux | annukai: can't write on NTFS .... |
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| 23:58.30 | Doqnach | anyone alive? |
| 23:58.33 | annukai | aahhh |
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| 23:58.58 | _Atomo64_ | hi... I'm using etch, and yesterday I downloaded the 2.6.15-1-686 kernel... I was using 2.6.8-386 before... and... when I rebooted yesterday with the new kernel, the sound system wasn't working... so some guys helped me out to make it work by using ALSA. Then I wanted to add the lsm kernel module, so I downloaded the headers of the new kernel and then I got to compile it, but then I couldn't modprobe it, it was saying that it couldn't find it... so an other |
| 23:59.22 | tix64 | michal_: they should. tar and ssh are widely used and well tested programs, so there should be no exception. |
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| 23:59.23 | Doqnach | sentence too long |
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