| 00:00.01 | Azar | Doqnach: short translation: he is using etch , grabbed a higher kernel, and his sound borked. |
| 00:00.02 | Doqnach | quick question: compiling postfix at the moment, it asks me where to place the daemon... it says /usr/libexec by default but in debian that doesn't exist |
| 00:00.08 | Doqnach | where do I need to put it? |
| 00:00.34 | phaedral | i had my mail problem solved before with ssmtp, but fetchmail needs an mta that can bring mail to it, right? whereas ssmtp only sends mail away from the machine? |
| 00:01.03 | phaedral | so i installed exim4, set up passwd.client as per instructions, and can't send to yahoo |
| 00:01.15 | grapefruit | im getting an error at boot when the default gateway of eth1 is being set..my eth0 has the same default gateway, could this be the cause of the problem? |
| 00:01.18 | phaedral | apt-get install exim4 auto-removed ssmtp... |
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| 00:01.48 | citral | someone knows where I can find logs of #debian? |
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| 00:02.16 | cricket | should i use ext3 or reisferfs |
| 00:02.18 | cricket | reiserfs |
| 00:02.21 | tix64 | phaedral: no, fetchmail doesn't need an mta. a simple pop3/imap fetch works with just fetchmail. |
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| 00:02.33 | citral | !ricerfs |
| 00:02.34 | dpkg | it has been said that ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 00:02.42 | phaedral | tix64: oh; then I'm on the wrong track; thanks for the lead |
| 00:02.59 | cricket | k |
| 00:03.15 | grapefruit | wtf is *ricer*fs |
| 00:03.22 | grapefruit | !ricerfs |
| 00:03.22 | dpkg | ricerfs is, like, the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 00:03.38 | abrotman | grapefruit: you know those people the "fix up" the neons and make them really loud? but they're actually still crap? |
| 00:03.43 | eeyore- | grapefruit: farts really loud, doesn't go |
| 00:03.59 | grapefruit | ohhh the CAR |
| 00:04.02 | eeyore- | abrotman: hey, don't diss the Neon! |
| 00:04.10 | eeyore- | abrotman: the neon's will spank your ass |
| 00:04.16 | abrotman | not likely |
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| 00:05.15 | DownLowe | speaking of filesystems, what is the most common FS to install debian on? |
| 00:05.24 | grapefruit | ext3 |
| 00:05.31 | kyncani | | reiserfs |
| 00:05.35 | abrotman | no |
| 00:05.37 | seksi | hi people, i have a little problem with some BROKEN packages...can anyone help me??? |
| 00:05.44 | abrotman | anyone with any brains will never ever use reiser |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | seksi: need more info |
| 00:05.53 | unity | does anyone know why, after setting up alsa, now all X sound applications freeze, and i still don't hear any sound? i'm using kde so i also have artsd running |
| 00:05.55 | kyncani | abrotman: why ? |
| 00:06.00 | Doqnach | anyone an idea about my question? (where to put daemons in debian, because installed points to non-existing /usr/libexec) |
| 00:06.02 | abrotman | kyncani: because it goes boom too easily |
| 00:06.08 | Doqnach | installer* |
| 00:06.29 | abrotman | kyncani: and the performance kind of sucks compared to everything else |
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| 00:06.37 | seksi | abrotman, actually, there is 18 broken packages, and when i try to reinstall or remove something, synaptics tell me that he must remove some essential packages... |
| 00:06.40 | Azar | unity make sure your alsa module is running, not the oss one |
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| 00:06.47 | abrotman | seksi: paste the error somewhere |
| 00:07.12 | eeyore- | kyncani: go use it for a few days and when reiserfsck fails on you, come back in here asking questions like 'how do i recover from reiserfs' to get the full ricerfs treatment |
| 00:07.12 | Azar | unity cat /etc/modules and paste it to a paster |
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| 00:07.45 | eeyore- | why does linus still keep reiserfs in the kernel? |
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| 00:08.07 | citral | why is kde still in debian? |
| 00:08.10 | kyncani | eeyore-: well, i must say it looks like it's working fine here, and i have backup |
| 00:08.13 | Le_Vert-Notebook | because it rulez |
| 00:08.19 | seksi | abrotman, there is no error... :))) few days ago, i tried to install new amarok and there were many dependencies, and because i don't have good internet connection, i downloaded it from my friend and with "dpkg" i installed it... |
| 00:08.26 | eeyore- | kyncani: good for you :-) |
| 00:08.33 | kyncani | yep :) |
| 00:08.33 | daniel70 | hi all, I have a question/problem, I can't use mysqli with PHP5, what do I need to do? |
| 00:08.38 | seksi | abortman, and there were some essential packages that i installed... |
| 00:08.38 | The-Saint | what's the command to take off "lo" and make eth0 the default network interface? |
| 00:08.51 | eeyore- | the-saint: that's just plain dumb, man |
| 00:08.58 | unity | Azar, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2255 |
| 00:09.02 | Azar | ok |
| 00:09.05 | citral | The-Saint: uh, you certainly don't want to put down lo |
| 00:09.06 | seksi | abortman, so, there are many dependencies, so i can't fix it... |
| 00:09.08 | unity | Azar, i don't see any alsa in there |
| 00:09.14 | Doqnach | anyone? |
| 00:09.28 | eeyore- | The-Saint: why would you want to take out lo? besides, lo doesn't get used for 'default' anyway, unless you did something seriously wrong |
| 00:09.58 | Daedalus_ | The-Saint:lo is the loopback interface... you shouldn't (and probably can't) remove it |
| 00:09.59 | Azar | unity me either.... what sound card you have? |
| 00:10.10 | eeyore- | Daedalus_: you can, but you don't want to |
| 00:10.14 | The-Saint | oh, ok, sorry...i'm not really sure about networking...but when i "ifconfig" all that comes up is lo, unless i specify...this is during install |
| 00:10.16 | abrotman | seksi: so you can't paste the errors ? |
| 00:10.17 | daniel70 | apparently php5 is not compiled with the --with-mysqli=<path to mysql_config>, how can I do this manually? |
| 00:10.27 | Daedalus_ | eeyore-:Interesting. |
| 00:10.31 | unity | Doqnach, aren't you using apt to install servers? |
| 00:10.34 | DownLowe | okay so i got two sugestions ext3 FS or reiserFS. I never heard of reiser, i'll stay away. just preparing myself for an install, so i don't want to reinstall / redo. |
| 00:10.43 | Doqnach | daniel70: compile by hand, there is no other solution |
| 00:10.44 | eeyore- | Daedalus_: ifconfig lo down :-) |
| 00:10.49 | Azar | unity do a lspci and look for Multimedia sound what it is? |
| 00:10.53 | Doqnach | unity: no because of the same problem daniel70 has |
| 00:10.57 | unity | Azar, C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 00:11.04 | citral | Doqnach: ext3 for a first install is everything you need |
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| 00:11.10 | DownLowe | ewww Cmedia =| had some issues with them |
| 00:11.12 | eeyore- | The-Saint: you have to load the proper module for your network card |
| 00:11.13 | Daedalus_ | eeyore-: well, ok, you can down it. It would be bizzarre to do so though. |
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| 00:11.20 | Doqnach | citral: wasn't talking about formatting |
| 00:11.22 | seksi | abrotman, is there some report file??? there are no errors...only 18 broken packages that can't be removed or reinstalled without removing many essential packages... |
| 00:11.26 | daniel70 | thanks doqnach, I was affraid of this answer since I've never compiled something before |
| 00:11.26 | phaedral | tix64: switched back to ssmtp, tried fetchamil with verbose; definitely working, starts grabbing first message, then quits: SMTP transaction error |
| 00:11.30 | citral | Doqnach: sorry, was for DownLowe |
| 00:11.33 | DownLowe | sounds good i'll stick with ext3. |
| 00:11.39 | Doqnach | daniel70: I'll tell you, it's a pain |
| 00:11.41 | Azar | unity in my old way I would do modconf and look to see what module should be for that card. |
| 00:11.43 | eeyore- | The-Saint: once you do that, you'll then need to configure your "interfaces" file (find /etc -name interfaces), to have proper settings for your ethernet card, or, just use DHCP |
| 00:11.44 | Doqnach | don't do it if you don't need to |
| 00:11.45 | The-Saint | i have, but it's refusing to DHCP configure :( |
| 00:11.51 | Doqnach | it totally fucks up apt-get |
| 00:11.51 | g0vner | what kind of fs is W95 Ext'd (LBA) ? |
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| 00:12.05 | daniel70 | Do I need to uninstall the apt package before I compile it myself? |
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| 00:12.09 | Doqnach | no |
| 00:12.12 | Doqnach | download the source |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | daniel70: wtf would you do that ? |
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| 00:12.17 | Doqnach | but think twice before doing that |
| 00:12.20 | eeyore- | g0vner: fat32 |
| 00:12.21 | DownLowe | cmedia makes bad drivers that made my system reboot soo many times, so i had to disable it and get myself a better video card , a year later they came out with a stable version =\ |
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| 00:12.37 | descod | hello everybody!, i need help whit kino, when i conect my dv cam, i can mannage the cam whit the controls, but dont display the video, i dont now what hapen! |
| 00:12.41 | eeyore- | The-Saint: do you have DHCP server? |
| 00:12.44 | g0vner | eeyore- : i've tried vfat and it didnt work :( said fs error |
| 00:12.46 | daniel70 | abrotman : to clean-up apt? I dunno |
| 00:12.56 | abrotman | daniel70: clean up? |
| 00:13.03 | abrotman | daniel70: and did you try php5-mysql ? |
| 00:13.03 | eeyore- | The-Saint: try "ifconfig -a", is there eth0 in the output? |
| 00:13.04 | tix64 | phaedral: you have to configure fetchmail to use an mda (e.g. procmail or formail). then it will not try to interact with an mta. |
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| 00:13.16 | abrotman | (i'm not sure if mysqli was intentinoal) |
| 00:13.18 | jacobo221 | according to /etc/init.d/networking, /etc/network/options is deprecated. but as far as I can see it still uses it. so what is wrong? |
| 00:13.19 | Doqnach | anyone got a clear answer for me on this? where do I need to install daemons (installer points to /usr/libexec which doesn't exist in debian) |
| 00:13.19 | The-Saint | yeah, all the window$ machines on the network are fine with it |
| 00:13.24 | eeyore- | g0vner: exact command, please |
| 00:13.27 | daniel70 | abrotman: yeah, I installed that but still no mysqli |
| 00:13.36 | abrotman | daniel70: mysqli is for innodb ? |
| 00:13.37 | g0vner | mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs1/ |
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| 00:13.52 | Doqnach | abrotman: php5-mysql still uses the mysql 4.0.x api |
| 00:13.54 | descod | my cam is mini dv panasonic for firewire |
| 00:13.57 | zirikili | I want to use my tv tuner card based on bt829 chipset but I can't find its driver anywhere. does anyone can help? |
| 00:13.59 | phaedral | tix64: that's a clue ;) I'm barely familiar with procmail; so I just need to set up a procmail recipe |
| 00:13.59 | eeyore- | g0vner: grep vfat /proc/filesystems |
| 00:14.02 | phaedral | thanks |
| 00:14.02 | Doqnach | unless you use the dotdeb version, which does 4.1 |
| 00:14.02 | cricket | hey how can i make the resolution of the console better? |
| 00:14.08 | eeyore- | g0vner: fdisk -l /dev/hdb | grep hdb1 |
| 00:14.09 | Doqnach | but if you want 5.0 you need to compile by hand |
| 00:14.12 | abrotman | Doqnach: daniel70 : maybe try a newer libmysql-client |
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| 00:14.19 | Doqnach | there isn't one :-P |
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| 00:14.23 | daniel70 | abrotman: no it's the new version of mysql library... I want to invoke stored procs on MySQL |
| 00:14.25 | abrotman | in what? |
| 00:14.29 | Doqnach | been busy with this for weeks already ;-] |
| 00:14.30 | seksi | abrotman, so, is there any chances for me? :) |
| 00:14.38 | The-Saint | actually, i tell a lie, since i put the new (old) router in, all the window$ machines are annoying with it, but eventually work. |
| 00:14.40 | ontehline22 | Anyoen have experience with 1and1.com webhosting? they offer a free domain, 5 gb webspace, near unlimited bandwidth for 2.99/mo, what's the catch here?? |
| 00:14.46 | abrotman | seksi: show me the error .. then we'll talk |
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| 00:14.53 | abrotman | ontehline22: wrong channel |
| 00:15.01 | unity | oh wow i had a geforce3 without knowing it |
| 00:15.02 | eeyore- | abrotman wants to talk sexy ... |
| 00:15.02 | abrotman | Doqnach: in which version of debian ? |
| 00:15.04 | g0vner | eeyore- : what next? |
| 00:15.04 | ontehline22 | abrotman: Suggestings for a good chan? |
| 00:15.11 | eeyore- | g0vner: show me the output? :-) |
| 00:15.13 | Stevie-O | is there an easy way to prevent X from starting (yet still be in multiuser mode)? |
| 00:15.14 | abrotman | ontehline22: #anythingelse ? |
| 00:15.15 | Azar | unity try running alsaconf your module should be snd_cm8738 |
| 00:15.17 | Doqnach | abrotman: sarge |
| 00:15.18 | tix64 | phaedral: yep, the simple ones are not hard to grok. |
| 00:15.20 | g0vner | [root@Cerebro:/mnt/ntfs5/pictures#] grep vfat /proc/filesystems |
| 00:15.20 | g0vner | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.20 | g0vner | [root@Cerebro:/mnt/ntfs5/pictures#] fdisk -l /dev/hdb | grep hdb1 |
| 00:15.20 | g0vner | [root@Cerebro:/mnt/ntfs5/pictures#] |
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| 00:15.23 | abrotman | !tell Stevie-O about nodm |
| 00:15.25 | ontehline22 | abrotman: Thanks for being a jerk |
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| 00:15.28 | g0vner | :( |
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| 00:15.32 | abrotman | do i get a prize? |
| 00:15.45 | eeyore- | g0vner: fdisk -l /dev/hdb | grep ... shows no output? |
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| 00:15.55 | g0vner | showed sec |
| 00:16.01 | roler | what would cause a network card to load, pull an ip address via dhclient, everythign looks good but when I do ifconfig eth0 up, it won't come up... it is there when I type ifconfig eth0 or ifconfig -a... |
| 00:16.02 | Stevie-O | ty |
| 00:16.03 | eeyore- | g0vner: do *not* paste the whole thing |
| 00:16.04 | roler | i get NO errors... |
| 00:16.06 | Doqnach | 2.4.20-021stab028.19.777-enterprise |
| 00:16.07 | g0vner | eeyore- /dev/hdb1 * 2 2637 19928160 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 00:16.08 | eeyore- | g0vner: just the one line output, geez |
| 00:16.09 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:16.09 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:16.18 | daniel70 | one more question; when compiling php5 I need to put in the path to mysql_config file for the --with-mysqli option, but I don't have that either, do I also need to compile mysql itself? |
| 00:16.19 | The-Saint | ontehline22: welcom to #debian, home of sarcasm. and that wasn't jerky, you want a jerk, go ask the same question in #slackware |
| 00:16.19 | g0vner | eeyore- heh :( |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | daniel70: try apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 00:16.46 | zirikili | does anyone know a driver for bt829 tv tuner card? btw, bttv does not work. |
| 00:16.47 | abrotman | daniel70: i still can't believe there isn't a newer libmysql-client for you |
| 00:16.58 | unity | Azar, i don't have that module loaded; but i have snd_cmipci. should i add snd_cm8738 to the end of modules? or modprobe it? |
| 00:16.58 | eeyore- | g0vner: well, linux doesn't believe it's fat32 filesystem :-) try dmesg | less, and read the errors for yourself |
| 00:17.14 | eeyore- | g0vner: wait ... wait ... wait ... |
| 00:17.15 | daniel70 | I'm going to have a look.... thanks abrotman |
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| 00:17.25 | eeyore- | g0v: fdisk -l /dev/hdb, are there other partitions? |
| 00:17.25 | Azar | unity: I think snd_cmipci would do |
| 00:17.29 | Doqnach | abrotman: there isn't |
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| 00:17.43 | Doqnach | apt-get only allows php to install with bundled lib |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | Doqnach: in which version of debian ? |
| 00:17.49 | Doqnach | so you can install mysql 5.0 |
| 00:17.54 | abrotman | or is he using backports? |
| 00:17.59 | Doqnach | but it still uses the bundled api |
| 00:18.02 | g0vner | eeyore- : yeaps mounted the others allready both NTFS |
| 00:18.07 | Doqnach | backports still does 4.0.x |
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| 00:18.13 | Doqnach | dotdeb does 4.1 |
| 00:18.17 | Doqnach | none does 5.0 yet |
| 00:18.26 | unity | Azar, if worse comes to worse, i can turn off the integrated card and stick in a sblive. that should be better supported, right? |
| 00:18.27 | eeyore- | g0vner: probably hdb1 is just the extended partition :-) and not something you mount |
| 00:18.36 | eeyore- | g0vner: you have hdb5 and hdb6 right? |
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| 00:18.45 | abrotman | so libmysqlclient5 .. isn't useful ? |
| 00:18.47 | g0vner | eeyore- say :D |
| 00:18.50 | The-Saint | how come eth0 doesn't have an ip? |
| 00:18.58 | g0vner | eeyore- i believe you're right :> |
| 00:19.02 | Doqnach | abrotman: no because it still uses the 4.0.x api in php |
| 00:19.10 | Doqnach | unless you compile by hand |
| 00:19.11 | g0vner | eeyore- thanks for your help :) |
| 00:19.12 | Doqnach | which I did |
| 00:19.20 | eeyore- | g0vner: yeah, and both of those (hdb5 and hdb6) span the entirety of the drive, right? from 2 to 2637 |
| 00:19.21 | Doqnach | but I'm stuck at postfix install |
| 00:19.27 | Doqnach | I need to know where to place the daemon |
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| 00:19.35 | Doqnach | which dir do daemons go to? |
| 00:19.37 | citral | roler: there is no such command ifconfig eth0 up... it is ifup eth0 |
| 00:19.38 | g0vner | eeyore- wait |
| 00:19.42 | Doqnach | because /usr/libexec doesn't exist in debian |
| 00:19.46 | abrotman | Doqnach: apt-get install postfix |
| 00:19.53 | g0vner | eeyore- yes |
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| 00:20.01 | Doqnach | abrotman: doesn't work because it requires mysql which is compiled by hand |
| 00:20.02 | unity | Doqnach, did you try searching your filesystem for other daemons and seeing where they were? |
| 00:20.06 | Doqnach | so apt-get doesn't know it |
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| 00:20.14 | eeyore- | The-Saint: dude, relax :-) |
| 00:20.19 | descod | hello, i need help whit kino, it does'nt display my video of my dv cam, someone know how i do for display in kino? |
| 00:20.22 | abrotman | Doqnach: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 00:20.24 | Doqnach | unity: just started using debian (forced to), used to freebsd a bit, so no clue |
| 00:20.24 | eeyore- | The-Saint: does ifconfig -a show eth0? one thing at a time, grasshopper |
| 00:20.28 | citral | roler: or ifconfig eth0 to get infos about that perticular interface |
| 00:20.30 | g0vner | eeyore- again thanks for you help ^^ c u around |
| 00:21.01 | Doqnach | ah, that's nice |
| 00:21.10 | The-Saint | eeyore-: yeah, it's there... |
| 00:21.15 | Doqnach | doesn't solve this little problem... |
| 00:21.15 | abrotman | Doqnach: make sense now ? |
| 00:21.19 | roler | i figured it out |
| 00:21.20 | roler | haha |
| 00:21.20 | abrotman | Doqnach: yes it does |
| 00:21.21 | chaedaeX | there's no way to receive notifications for an open bug in BTS? |
| 00:21.29 | j1mr1l37 | brand new to ubuntu can someone tell me how to install messenger and if there is a way to auto install like windows |
| 00:21.29 | Doqnach | was looking for that earlier though |
| 00:21.31 | seksi | abrotman, private |
| 00:21.31 | abrotman | Doqnach: use equivs .. then apt-get install postfix |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | seksi: fine |
| 00:21.41 | Doqnach | right |
| 00:21.44 | eeyore- | The-Saint: OK, so there's no IP because there's no DHCP server :-) your Windows machines may be unhappy for a while because there's no DHCP server, and 'eventually work' because they default to whatever they had the last time! |
| 00:21.45 | seksi | abrotman, :) ok |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | see .. this is why i use pgsql .. :) |
| 00:21.49 | eeyore- | The-Saint: *big d-oh* |
| 00:21.55 | unity | j1mr1l37, this isn't #ubuntu |
| 00:21.58 | Doqnach | but will install postfix-mysql go right when I have compiled mysql by hand? |
| 00:21.59 | Azar | unity it can't go bad. only with sound is a bit more work including some details: after running alsaconf, run alsamixer, unmute volumes, save with alsactl store. Add yourself to audio group. Tell your player to use alsa, not oss. make sure you have the alsa (snd_xxxxxxxx) module in your /etc/modules |
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| 00:22.06 | eeyore- | The-Saint: get a DHCP server that you know for sure works :-) |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | Doqnach: if it can find the libraries .. which mysql should have put in the right place |
| 00:22.21 | The-Saint | uhhm....what's a dhcp server? |
| 00:22.25 | abrotman | !dhcp |
| 00:22.25 | dpkg | hmm... dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
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| 00:22.32 | Doqnach | which would be the right place :-P I have everything in /usr/local/mysql |
| 00:22.34 | loggygreg | j1mr1l37: /join #ubuntu |
| 00:22.35 | Azar | I do not know how your sound module would look like I am googling for it |
| 00:22.39 | Doqnach | but I don;'t know what is normal for debian |
| 00:22.43 | abrotman | Doqnach: not that :) |
| 00:22.52 | eeyore- | The-Saint: does your boss have a budget for the geek squad? |
| 00:22.54 | abrotman | Doqnach: ok .. you compiled PHP because you compiled MySQL because why? |
| 00:22.59 | unity | Azar, sorry, i have never dealt that much with setting up sound myself. ubuntu had handled it all out of the box (but i still like debian better) |
| 00:23.02 | eeyore- | The-Saint: or, are you the boss? :-) |
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| 00:23.16 | zood_ | ontehline22, in regards to your slow startup of apps. Could it be related to DMA? |
| 00:23.18 | Doqnach | abrotman: other way around, I compiled mysql because I compiled php because I wanted the last client api |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | !tell Doqnach about simple sid backport |
| 00:23.39 | Doqnach | and all packages which you can apt only have 4.0.x or 4.1 api, not 5+ |
| 00:23.39 | The-Saint | eeyore: this is a home network :S |
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| 00:23.45 | abrotman | Doqnach: not really recommended .. but that should make your life easier |
| 00:23.48 | daniel70 | doqnach: exactly my problem |
| 00:23.54 | Doqnach | abrotman: backport also has 4.0 bundled |
| 00:23.55 | eeyore- | The-Saint: OK, and your new router is something supplied by the ISP? |
| 00:24.07 | descod | hello, i need some help whit kino, it does'nt display my video |
| 00:24.09 | Doqnach | so no go there |
| 00:24.10 | abrotman | Doqnach: no .. this is not backports.org .. this is compiling sid source packages to work on sarge |
| 00:24.20 | spaere | Hi, I was wondering if anyone could mention how I apply a patch to an apache module? (re: this link for dav disk free support http://www.carrel.org/files/dav-diskfree.patch) |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | seksi: where'd you go ? |
| 00:24.34 | seksi | abrotman, ? |
| 00:24.36 | Azar | unity, yes snd_cmipci is your alsa sound module, make sure it is in /etc/modules, if not add it |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | seksi: the error ? |
| 00:24.58 | seksi | abrotman, u can see it on the screenshot |
| 00:25.10 | abrotman | Doqnach: the idea is that you should be able to grab all the source packages from sid .. they will build .. and go in the correct spots .. and satisfy postfix |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | seksi: what screenshot? |
| 00:25.29 | eeyore- | moneyshot |
| 00:25.34 | seksi | abrotman, go to www.gimnazija1.kg.edu.yu/Screenshot.png |
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| 00:25.40 | Doqnach | but does sid php packages DO have a 5+ api ? |
| 00:25.41 | The-Saint | no, i'm a moron it's not the router, it's the hub that's causing problems...the cable modem's fine, i just don't know how to configure the hub (12-port 10mb/s LANart) |
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| 00:25.59 | eeyore- | The-Saint: hubs don't need configuring |
| 00:26.01 | abrotman | Doqnach: packages.debian.org/php5-mysql |
| 00:26.07 | Doqnach | that doesn't say anything |
| 00:26.12 | abrotman | Doqnach: it doesn't? |
| 00:26.22 | Doqnach | that can still have the 4.0 api bundled like backports or dotdeb have |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | Doqnach: it requires libmysqlclient15 which requires mysql5 |
| 00:26.39 | The-Saint | all the window$ boxes find their way onto the net after about 19 reboots and unplugging/replugging the cable modem from the power |
| 00:26.41 | eeyore- | The-Saint: it doesn't sound like you have a DHCP server in your local network. how you manage to get the windows machine working is interesting :-) do they all share internet connection? |
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| 00:27.03 | unity | Azar, so snd_cmpci or snd_cm8738 ? because snd_cmpci was already loaded before i changed my /etc/modules |
| 00:27.05 | eeyore- | The-Saint: dude, are you *sure* the cablemodem supports multiple clients? |
| 00:27.30 | Azar | unity: snd_cmipci is the one |
| 00:27.42 | daniel70 | abrotman, php5 is not compiled with --with-mysqli option... maybe I should switch to pg as well :-) |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | daniel70: in sid ? |
| 00:28.04 | abrotman | daniel70: the php5-mysql in sid is |
| 00:28.11 | descod | i need help whit kino |
| 00:28.14 | abrotman | or should be .. it does require mysql5 |
| 00:28.18 | Doqnach | abrotman: what mysql api version does it have? |
| 00:28.20 | abrotman | or rahter libmysqlclient15 |
| 00:28.31 | Azar | unity observe is snd_cmipci not snd_cmpci |
| 00:28.46 | Doqnach | because I tried the backports and dotdep versions already which also use libmysqlclient15 but still apply the 4.0 or 4.1 client api |
| 00:28.47 | The-Saint | i have the cable modem (non-DSL...i think it's fibreoptic) connected as if it was a computer and i currently have only this wondows machine on the net, my dad HAD his lappy working aswell, for a while atleast..but he's gone and taken the lappy with him... |
| 00:28.49 | unity | Azar, and also, an lsmod showed a *_oss modules like snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss. these should be replaced with their alsa counterparts? |
| 00:29.03 | daniel70 | I don't know what sid is! |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | Doqnach: i don't know the differences .. but you'd guess since it requires libmysqlclient15 which requires mysql5 .. it would work on mysql5 eh ? |
| 00:29.08 | Azar | unity anything starting with snd_ is good to stay |
| 00:29.29 | Doqnach | abrotman: then why doesn't that guess work with backports and dotdep which use the same ;-] |
| 00:29.43 | abrotman | Doqnach: because i can use a backport of php5 on my mysql4 box |
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| 00:29.53 | Azar | unity as an oss module will never show a snd_ in front |
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| 00:30.01 | abrotman | Doqnach: but i bet you could do some horrible magic to get the backports to work with mysql5 |
| 00:30.02 | eeyore- | The-Saint: it doesn't sound to me like your cablemodem supports sharing network natively. you may be able to buy a cheap router (linksys, netgear, etc.) for a few bucks ($60 or so) to get multiple computers on the internet at the same time. otherwise, only one computer at a time. |
| 00:30.13 | citral | The-Saint: did you actually have more than one computer connected? |
| 00:30.14 | Doqnach | abrotman: no, tried, core dumped :-P |
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| 00:30.24 | abrotman | Doqnach: big toilet eh? |
| 00:30.39 | Doqnach | compiled by hand and everything works directly... but it fucks up apt |
| 00:30.46 | sexymf | abrotman, i am waiting :) |
| 00:30.49 | abrotman | Doqnach: that's what equivs is for |
| 00:30.49 | Doqnach | because of dependencies |
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| 00:30.50 | eeyore- | nobody suggests the-saint install NAT on his linux box now, y'all? |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | sexymf: you are? |
| 00:30.53 | libertad | hi channel |
| 00:30.58 | Doqnach | yup, will check that tomorrow |
| 00:31.00 | Doqnach | 2.30 am |
| 00:31.04 | sexymf | abrotman, i am seksi, i have changed nick |
| 00:31.07 | unity | Azar, brb, and thanks again |
| 00:31.08 | The-Saint | citral for about 2 hours, yeah....i have another hub that worked fine because it had a wan port |
| 00:31.09 | Doqnach | thanks for that one |
| 00:31.10 | DownLowe | my buddy replaced his toilet that swallows 15 golf balls when you flush it. |
| 00:31.12 | abrotman | sexymf: jeez .. don't do that :) |
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| 00:31.27 | DownLowe | i tooke a big dump in it and it was pretty neat seeing shit being swallowed so fast. |
| 00:31.32 | citral | The-Saint: that's called a router... |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | sexymf: paste the error using apt-get .. not synaptic |
| 00:31.40 | sexymf | ok |
| 00:31.41 | sexymf | moment |
| 00:31.42 | eeyore- | downl: TOO MUCH information |
| 00:31.46 | DownLowe | oh sorry |
| 00:31.47 | DownLowe | lol |
| 00:31.51 | eeyore- | DownLowe: we do *NOT* want to know how big your turd is |
| 00:32.07 | abrotman | unless you've got pictures to back it up |
| 00:32.10 | eeyore- | DownLowe: or, consequently, how big your sphincter must now be ... |
| 00:32.10 | DownLowe | yea sorry ahaha |
| 00:32.42 | DownLowe | i got one more story, but it's nothing you wouldn't want to hear. college story =) |
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| 00:32.46 | The-Saint | citral: so i seriously can't share the connection with the hub i'm using? that's a pisser. |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | DownLowe: no .. we don't |
| 00:32.59 | eeyore- | The-Saint: hubs don't do anything magical |
| 00:33.10 | citral | a new goats picture maybe... |
| 00:33.18 | DownLowe | lol |
| 00:33.19 | eeyore- | The-Saint: hubs just share bandwidth among the local network, nothing fancy |
| 00:33.30 | spaere | is there an apache2 source package available in the stable distro? |
| 00:33.36 | abrotman | !source |
| 00:33.36 | dpkg | methinks source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
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| 00:34.08 | citral | eeyore-: I bought last week a brand new siemens se505 for 32 Euros on ebay, you can install openwrt on it, it's just fine. |
| 00:34.09 | The-Saint | so could i connect through this machine to get my box online? |
| 00:34.18 | citral | fuck, I mean The-Saint |
| 00:34.25 | eeyore- | citral: MIPS? |
| 00:34.29 | citral | yeah |
| 00:34.39 | eeyore- | citral: our competitor :-) |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | kill |
| 00:35.07 | abrotman | sexymf: holy crap |
| 00:35.08 | citral | everybody looks for wrt54g, they are highly bidded, but nobody looks at siemens :) |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | sexymf: now paste your sources .. try |
| 00:35.27 | eeyore- | citral: WRT54GS, the new linux model |
| 00:35.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:35.28 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:35.35 | eeyore- | citral: or something like that ... |
| 00:35.44 | sexymf | abrotman, sources ? |
| 00:35.50 | sexymf | abrotman, how? |
| 00:35.53 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:35.58 | abrotman | your system is seriously messed up |
| 00:36.01 | libertad | Please, I need help. I had installed the Kernel 2.6-15 and I have serius problems. My Usb genius mouse Can't be loaded and only can run linux under kernel 2.4, if I try load linux under 2.6-15 kernel, linux show "Kernel Panic nfs-common error". Thank's |
| 00:36.12 | concept10 | !chroot |
| 00:36.12 | dpkg | i heard chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 00:36.24 | eeyore- | libert: eh? |
| 00:36.33 | eeyore- | libertad: why should usb mouse make kernel panic on nfs? |
| 00:36.35 | citral | well even g'ol wrt54g, second hand, goes for 58 Euros away... it costs about 62 Euros new mwaha |
| 00:36.41 | zirikili | during a dist-upgrade I get a "403 Forbidden" erron on libgcj-common and java-gcj-compat. the --fix-missing option does not fix the problem. what should I do? |
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| 00:36.48 | joeyjones | how do you name a screen after making it? |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | sexymf: you have a half sarge/half sid system .. |
| 00:36.59 | concept10 | I want to install Sarge on my Cobalt Raq2, I am going to use a Live CD and manually partition the HD and then load the images on there. Should I just chroot with the live cd? |
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| 00:37.14 | eeyore- | citral: does 4 euros buy you a burger? :-) |
| 00:37.21 | phaedral | joeyjones: ^-A shift-A |
| 00:37.26 | _Atomo64_ | eeyore-: I've been having lot of troubles to get the 2.6.15 kernerl working fine... and I've even asked for help about 20 minutes ago... and nobody asnwers... |
| 00:37.31 | sexymf | abrotman, yes, because i downloaded and installed some extra packages |
| 00:37.33 | citral | 4 cheeseburgers ! |
| 00:37.39 | eeyore- | _Atomo64_: what kind of problems? |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | sexymf: i'm shocked |
| 00:37.54 | unstable | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=pettishun_4_linux_xperts_2_st0p_s4yin_rt&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 |
| 00:38.01 | eeyore- | citral: i wouldn't eat cheeseburgers that cost 1 euro each :-) |
| 00:38.13 | _Atomo64_ | eeyore-: modules problems... sound problems... etc, etc... |
| 00:38.13 | libertad | eeyore-, not, the error with the usb mouse is under 2.4 |
| 00:38.15 | sexymf | abrotman, so do i :))) i made a mistake, so i want to fix it :))) |
| 00:38.18 | citral | heh, that's actually the price at mc donald :) |
| 00:38.29 | abrotman | sexymf: this will take *a lot* of work |
| 00:38.34 | eeyore- | _Atomo64_: well, when you can be more specific, hopefully in the next 22 minutes ... |
| 00:38.38 | _Atomo64_ | eeyore-: and now an archlinux user is helping me... instead of somebody of you ppl |
| 00:38.43 | sexymf | abrotman, i know :) |
| 00:38.58 | sexymf | abrotman, and i am ready to WORK :))) |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | sexymf: let me put it this way .. either upgrade your system all the way .. or start manually installing packages to get it back to sarge |
| 00:39.32 | citral | greycat isn't there anymore, he's not in the op list... what happened? |
| 00:39.33 | eeyore- | abrotman: let's go all the way ... let's go all the way ... |
| 00:39.41 | spaere | sorry, i tried to get the sources for apache2 but then it says E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 00:39.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: you got a big backseat? |
| 00:39.45 | spaere | oh wait |
| 00:39.49 | spaere | i've got it. sorry |
| 00:39.53 | eeyore- | abrotman: roof rack |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | !prize spaere |
| 00:40.08 | abrotman | eeyore-: i love the taste of bugs at sunrise! |
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| 00:40.55 | sexymf | abrotman, so, this is only way (2 ways)??? :( |
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| 00:41.05 | abrotman | sexymf: no .. but the other ways require TONS of work |
| 00:41.10 | abrotman | and generally aren't worth it |
| 00:41.24 | The-Saint | is there any way i can connect through this machine from my other machine? like using this one as a gateway? |
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| 00:41.39 | sexymf | abrotman, ok, thank you...i'm going to get it back to sarge :))) |
| 00:41.51 | abrotman | sexymf: it's going to remove kde when you do that |
| 00:42.03 | abrotman | sexymf: you'll have to manually install it when it's done |
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| 00:42.07 | zirikili | dist-upgrade is stopping when try to get libgcj-common and java-gcj-compat packages. how do I remove it from download list? |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | or rather .. reinstall it |
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| 00:42.27 | sexymf | abrotman, well, i have no choice... |
| 00:42.30 | dererk | Hi there! |
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| 00:42.55 | unstable | !greet dererk |
| 00:42.55 | dpkg | Salutations, dererk |
| 00:42.57 | unity | Azar, thanks, you are amazing. sound is working now, as long as i use arts output. it must be holding onto /dev/dsp, but it's okay, arts is fine with me |
| 00:43.10 | dererk | unstable, :o) |
| 00:43.24 | Azar | unity, welcome, I am not amazing helpers here are, I learned from them |
| 00:43.27 | sexymf | abrotman, i tried to start debian installation, and it stoped on 91% (sd_mod, something about sata hdd) |
| 00:43.36 | abrotman | sexymf: how is that related? |
| 00:43.52 | The-Saint | this is a fairly modern (pentium 4 not sure what speed, belongs to my linuxphobic wife) box running windows XP (service pack 2, i think) my machine is a (bloody horrible) Dell p60-L, halfway through installing debian |
| 00:43.57 | sexymf | abrotman, it's not |
| 00:43.59 | wireddd | why do so many people hate arts? |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | because it's a pain in the ass |
| 00:44.15 | unstable | !seamonkey |
| 00:44.15 | dpkg | [seamonkey] the new project name for the Mozilla Application Suite, but it's not officially from Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla Application Suite is over, the new name is seamonkey, if you are using Mozilla Application Suite then you are using very old outdated code, check http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ : The reason Mozilla Foundation is not developing on the Mozilla Application Suite anymore is to focus on Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 00:44.19 | sexymf | abrotman, sorry...it's to late for me...i'm not working so well... |
| 00:44.21 | Azar | unity what is arts? |
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| 00:44.28 | abrotman | !arts |
| 00:44.28 | dpkg | arts is, like, the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 00:44.33 | sexymf | abrotman, in my time zone, it's about 3AM |
| 00:44.35 | eeyore- | The-Saint: it can be done, and it's fairly easy if you know linux + networking. but seriously, it's a bit of a learning curve. |
| 00:44.41 | Azar | ah thanks abrotman.. kde stuff |
| 00:44.43 | abrotman | sexymf: so sleep .. fix it tomorrow .. |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | Azar: i refer to it as "kde krap" :) |
| 00:44.52 | unity | i'm not about to take arts...not once i got my sound working |
| 00:45.11 | dererk | How could I make a script to add cron to check whether a nfs partition is mounted or no? |
| 00:45.12 | Azar | yep I am happy kde-free guy |
| 00:45.13 | sexymf | abrotman, nooo...i will fix it now, and than i'll sleep tomorrow :))) |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:45.19 | eeyore- | arts is trying to be more these days. not just sound multiplexer but the full-blown multimedia multiplexer |
| 00:45.28 | sexymf | abrotman, thank you anyway :))) |
| 00:45.35 | dererk | I tried to use $1 action, but didn't work :-\ |
| 00:45.40 | The-Saint | learning curve is good by me, i'm unemployed! anyone fancy PMing me and talking me through it? |
| 00:45.46 | sexymf | abrotman, bye! |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | uhm .. ok bye |
| 00:45.53 | Azar | unity just as an info, I am not using kde or gnome, my player of choice is xmms |
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| 00:46.11 | unity | Azar, soon to be mines as well |
| 00:46.12 | dererk | Any good Samarian? |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | did that make any sense? |
| 00:46.18 | cleric | hey folks, i'm having problems with the public_html directory on my linux system. debian stable, apache2, uncommented entries about user directories and restarted apache, but I get this error: You don't have permission to access /~cleric/ on this server |
| 00:46.23 | unity | dererk, samaritan |
| 00:46.26 | cleric | Anyone shed some light? |
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| 00:46.43 | dererk | unity, yes, sorry |
| 00:46.51 | resiak | chmod o+x /home/cleric; chmod o+rx /home/cleric/public_html |
| 00:46.55 | The-Saint | i'm not running KDE anymore, but when i did, i love Kaffiene media player...xmms was nice, but tricky to make it play videos |
| 00:47.08 | cleric | Let me try that resiak |
| 00:47.26 | eeyore- | cleric: ~cleric must be 755, and ~cleric/public_html must be 755 |
| 00:47.30 | Azar | kde hooks people with smarty gadgets |
| 00:47.41 | eeyore- | cleric: or, if you use ACL, just set ACL so that the webserver can get to it |
| 00:47.46 | unity | xmms is fairly ugly in the gray parts of its gui |
| 00:47.51 | yooser | kde is a fatass :p |
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| 00:48.00 | The-Saint | it won't be hooking me again, i'm using a p60 lol |
| 00:48.08 | Azar | unity there are skins and plugins at their site |
| 00:48.14 | citral | quodlibet is really interesting |
| 00:49.02 | eeyore- | i need a better wm than twm, but don't want to do gnome/kde on this epia box. choices? blackbox? fvwm? suck it? |
| 00:49.05 | cleric | resiak / eeyore- ; I did the chmod, still coming up 403 |
| 00:49.09 | cleric | i'll keep digging. |
| 00:49.20 | eeyore- | cleric: show me |
| 00:49.28 | spaere | I'm trying to recompile an apache2 module and i got the sources for apache2 from a deb source but can't seem to find the module source file in there, should i be grabbing a different package? |
| 00:49.39 | cleric | can I PM you the URL? |
| 00:50.03 | unity | ok i officially love debian now that _everything_ in it works |
| 00:50.16 | eeyore- | unity: then it's time to try gentoo |
| 00:50.16 | gnufan | spaere: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 00:50.27 | eeyore- | unity: and become one with emerge / ebuild |
| 00:50.30 | spaere | gnufan: i did apt-get source apache2 |
| 00:50.38 | gnufan | spaere: what module? |
| 00:50.46 | unity | eeyore-, i would but i have a lot of homework today that i should have started a couple of hours ago instead of setting up sound |
| 00:50.48 | spaere | gnufan: the dav module. which is included right? |
| 00:50.51 | The-Saint | unity: that's how i felt, after porting from Mandrake (back when it was called Mandrake ;-) |
| 00:51.00 | eeyore- | unity: homework?!? |
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| 00:51.10 | Azar | unity, my screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/gkrellShoot_12-29-05_204053.jpg |
| 00:51.13 | eeyore- | unity: what is this homework you speak of? |
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| 00:51.40 | unity | The-Saint, mandrake was my first. i thought it was amazing, and then i moved to ubuntu, and i thought it was twice as amazing, then i moved to debian, and it's three times as amazing |
| 00:51.58 | eeyore- | unity: kororaa, comes with Xgl, just for kicks |
| 00:52.14 | The-Saint | i tried slackware, but i think you have to be an elitist wanker to use it |
| 00:52.55 | [cleric] | slackware was my first distro - it was the best for me to learn on. |
| 00:52.58 | unity | Azar, nice side panel thing with the cpu monitors |
| 00:52.58 | The-Saint | Mandriva, from what i hear is horrible these days...i've heard it described as Linux XP |
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| 00:53.22 | eeyore- | yggdrasil -> slackware -> redhat <-> suse -> debian -> gentoo |
| 00:53.39 | Azar | unity is called gkrellm and you can install it too |
| 00:53.50 | gnufan | spaere: apache2-common is the package the files are from |
| 00:53.50 | unity | eeyore-, Xgl is a bit too much...do i really need a spinning cube desktop? |
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| 00:54.27 | unity | Azar, i thought it looked cool, but i personally don't feel the need to watch my processor and network bandwidth, etc. |
| 00:54.44 | eeyore- | unity: you don't know until you try :-) and besides the spinning cube (which i don't use much) you get the wobbly windows (addictive), transparent windows (very usable), transparent on drag, opaquefocus, blah blah, fun stuff |
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| 00:54.50 | unity | Azar, i can instead boast about my 2048x1536 X resolution |
| 00:54.56 | eeyore- | unity: oh yeah, spring-loaded menus |
| 00:54.57 | Azar | unity is better than a simple clock |
| 00:55.03 | spaere | gnufan: thanks, i just found out i had to extract a tarball in the /upstream/tarballs folder |
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| 00:55.07 | yooser | windows are for Windows :0 |
| 00:55.17 | Azar | unity , unhappy with resolution? |
| 00:55.18 | yooser | jk |
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| 00:55.38 | unity | Azar, unhappy with anything smaller than 2000 pixels wide |
| 00:55.38 | lightcap | anyone know why I'd suddenly get "Too many files open in system" errors |
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| 00:55.52 | submarineshaun | lightcap: did you start opening files? |
| 00:55.53 | lightcap | my server is pretty much unresponsive at this point |
| 00:55.53 | abrotman | too many files open? |
| 00:55.54 | eeyore- | lightca: because you have too many files open, d'oh |
| 00:55.56 | lightcap | no, |
| 00:56.04 | The-Saint | my first linux experience was with suse 6.1, when i was 8, i fell in love when i played xevil, then i got addicted to some DOS games and had to go back to DOS (wine was highly unstable) |
| 00:56.07 | lightcap | I just came back from work to find it this way |
| 00:56.15 | unstable | lightcap: What were you doing before this happened? |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | The-Saint: s/was/is/ |
| 00:56.25 | Azar | unity: simple dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, pick a "desired" resolution then you get the chance to have one or two more "usable" ones |
| 00:56.28 | gnufan | spaere: what are you trying to do by rebuilding it all? |
| 00:56.29 | lightcap | unstable: nothing. It's a mail and webserver |
| 00:56.37 | eeyore- | lightcap: /proc/sys/fs/file-max? |
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| 00:56.46 | lightcap | unfortunately I can't do anything with the system... |
| 00:56.49 | spaere | gnufan: I just wnat to patch the dav module so it shows free disk space when i connect to it |
| 00:56.55 | eeyore- | lightcap: thre's the power switch ... |
| 00:57.03 | lightcap | yeah rebooting now... |
| 00:57.13 | lightcap | just concerned since its my production server |
| 00:57.17 | eeyore- | lightcap: or, alt-sysreq, u, i, r, b |
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| 00:57.26 | eeyore- | or some combinations thereof |
| 00:57.38 | lightcap | Let me get the system back u p |
| 00:57.47 | [cleric] | :( |
| 00:57.53 | eeyore- | what's the remount readonly? alt-sysreq r ? |
| 00:57.58 | Azar | unity: my desired resolution I use is 1024x768 and additional-usable 800x600 |
| 00:58.35 | unity | Azar, i have picked all my desired resolutions, i'm just saying that 2048x1536 is mine, and it's bigger than most other's |
| 00:58.45 | unity | Azar, so i take pride in it |
| 00:58.49 | The-Saint | hmmm....so can anyone give me a "quick" runthrough of how to connect my turdbox to the internet (through my windows machine) using a shell opened during debian low memory install? |
| 00:59.20 | Azar | unity : bad eyes here, I need bigger text , objects |
| 00:59.36 | abrotman | The-Saint: try connection sharing on windows .. and i don't know you'll get much more help in here |
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| 00:59.40 | eeyore- | Azar: if you print your own money, dell has 30" LCD displays with your name on it |
| 00:59.54 | ken | eeyore-: hey -- i finally got the f'er to work -- |
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| 00:59.55 | unity | i wonder if i could get a custom built monitor with like 20 million pixels in it |
| 01:00.05 | eeyore- | ken: good :-) what's wrong with it? |
| 01:00.07 | unity | but then my vid card might have trouble keeping up |
| 01:00.11 | ken | eeyore-: thanks for all your help |
| 01:00.12 | Azar | eeyore-: not so much space: 3 boxes/3 monitors on one desk |
| 01:00.19 | eeyore- | Azar: kvm! |
| 01:00.26 | [cleric] | where else can i go for help regarding public_html |
| 01:00.48 | ken | eeyore-: the BIOS boot order for the 4 SATA cards was reversed, so the Error 15 was because the boot partition wasn't setup correctly on the 4th drive |
| 01:01.04 | ken | eeyore-: er, for the 4 SATA drives on the card |
| 01:01.11 | The-Saint | what should i google for to get a walkthrough for this? |
| 01:01.18 | ken | eeyore-: so instead of booting off of port 0 on the card, it was booting off port 3 |
| 01:01.27 | eeyore- | ken: uh hmm. ok. |
| 01:01.45 | ken | eeyore-: heh -- |
| 01:01.52 | eeyore- | well, have to go home soon. can't wait to check out the new drm + xvmc on this box. i hope it works. it'd better work, dammit. |
| 01:01.54 | ken | eeyore-: that really was the problem ;) |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | eeyore-: home?! |
| 01:02.22 | eeyore- | ken: nifty. i'm waiting for the sata angled cables to arrive. then we can put our array online and replace the old array. |
| 01:02.50 | ken | eeyore-: angled cables ? |
| 01:02.56 | eeyore- | abrotman: yes, H O M E ... where wife and monkeys live. i'd probably be jumped as soon as i open the door ... but hey |
| 01:03.00 | ken | eeyore-: you mean ... right angle at the connection slot ? |
| 01:03.06 | abrotman | MONKEYS?! |
| 01:03.08 | The-Saint | or should i disconnect this machine, then reconnect with the debian box, finish installing then find a way to share when i have a fuller OS at my command? |
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| 01:03.22 | eeyore- | ken: we're putting four drives in a sun611 box. space is tight. so the cable is not right angled but *left* angled |
| 01:03.27 | The-Saint | that makes more sense...now that i think about it... |
| 01:03.35 | eeyore- | ken: e.g. the data goes away from power cable, straight out |
| 01:04.02 | ken | eeyore-: yeah, so it's angled to the horizontal plane as opposed to the vertical plane |
| 01:04.05 | The-Saint | okay, back soon |
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| 01:04.10 | eeyore- | ken: yeah |
| 01:04.17 | ken | eeyore-: that must be a very tight fit in your box |
| 01:04.22 | eeyore- | ken: it is :-) |
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| 01:04.32 | ken | eeyore-: aiight, now i gotta get about 6 terrabytes up ! go linux ! |
| 01:04.39 | ken | go debian ! |
| 01:04.43 | eeyore- | ken: sun611 drive case is lunchbox style, like the sun IPX case, same footprint |
| 01:04.51 | lightcap | jesus...now the system isn't coming back up... |
| 01:04.53 | ken | wols_: thanks again for your help too, much appreciated |
| 01:05.04 | ken | eeyore-: sun -- nasty |
| 01:05.06 | eeyore- | lightcap: what's wrong with it? |
| 01:05.10 | lightcap | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 01:05.12 | ken | laters |
| 01:05.16 | eeyore- | ken: the new machines are nice |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | lightcap: it's up |
| 01:05.50 | eeyore- | lightcap: i thought you had someone do this at the console? |
| 01:06.03 | lightcap | eeyore-: it's a remote box...no, I didn't. |
| 01:06.13 | lightcap | its in san antonio, I'm in Oregon :-) |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | lightcap: does http work ? |
| 01:06.26 | eeyore- | lightcap: get someone at the console :-) or, buy a pc-weasel and plan for the future downtime |
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| 01:06.57 | lightcap | I can boot it into rescue mode...there is a remote rescue optino |
| 01:07.09 | lightcap | no http doesnt seem to work either... |
| 01:07.11 | abrotman | do any services work ? |
| 01:07.13 | eeyore- | lightcap: so, do that, see how much of the system came up |
| 01:07.24 | lightcap | abrotman: not that I can see... |
| 01:07.34 | eeyore- | lightcap: you need a shell, period :-) maybe ask someone to pop in a knoppix cd and start up ssh for you |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | maybe it was an HDD dying in the night ... |
| 01:07.57 | eeyore- | abrotman: Go quietly into the night ... |
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| 01:08.04 | lightcap | heh great :) |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | it's a possible reason for the earlier error |
| 01:08.30 | abrotman | of course .. a dying drive could cause lots of error messages :) |
| 01:09.04 | eeyore- | i've had a user left a cd in the drive overnight, while running vmware, with bug, that didn't spin down the cdrom. result = burnt cd + foul-smelling office |
| 01:09.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: at least hte disc didn't shatter in the drive |
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| 01:11.14 | eeyore- | bye |
| 01:11.23 | concept10 | How do I perform a simple chroot from a Live Cd? the docs Ive seen so far talk about debootstrap, etc. I just want to mount the hard drive and format/partition it |
| 01:11.45 | abrotman | eeyore-: where going? |
| 01:11.52 | lightcap | I'm going to have to look into it when I get back... |
| 01:12.02 | abrotman | concept10: what does chroot have to do with formatting ? |
| 01:12.05 | lightcap | thanks guys...might be a long night for me :) |
| 01:12.25 | concept10 | abrotman, im running from a live cd, I want to mount the drive and format it |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | isn't it hosted |
| 01:12.36 | abrotman | concept10: you don't do that |
| 01:12.46 | concept10 | why not? |
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| 01:13.07 | concept10 | does the live cd use a swap on the harddrive? |
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| 01:13.13 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:13.32 | E0x | somebody using urxvt with sid ? |
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| 01:13.44 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:13.45 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 01:13.49 | unstable | !tell E0x about anyone |
| 01:14.18 | concept10 | abrotman, I took the harddisk out of my cobalt, put it in another box, im just trying to prepare it and unpack a base debian system on it |
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| 01:14.50 | abrotman | concept10: can you see the drive? |
| 01:15.16 | concept10 | abrotman, with gparted yes, df -h .. no |
| 01:15.39 | abrotman | concept10: no duh .. it's not mounted |
| 01:15.43 | abrotman | so partition it . then format it |
| 01:15.52 | concept10 | thats what I said! I need to mount it!! |
| 01:16.05 | abrotman | NO |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | not if you're just going to format it |
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| 01:19.49 | unstable | abrotman: You know where I can get a free shell with irssi/screen to idle in here? All the free shells that used to be around 5 years ago seemed to have disappeared. I can't find any sites. |
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| 01:20.20 | abrotman | unstable: not a clue |
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| 01:22.17 | jelly-ho | unstable: there are nice cheap shell providers though. |
| 01:22.47 | Stevie-O | hey abrotman... you have any experience diagnosing utf-8 problems in a VC? |
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| 01:23.26 | abrotman | Stevie-O: that's vague |
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| 01:24.21 | treyh0 | so ubuntu is in the habit of breaking debian packages now |
| 01:24.32 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 01:24.34 | treyh0 | with their k3b patches that cause k3bsetup to be a blank window |
| 01:24.39 | treyh0 | i am and of course they ignore me |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | so will we ... |
| 01:24.48 | treyh0 | why |
| 01:24.50 | treyh0 | it's debian |
| 01:24.56 | treyh0 | a patch that was merged from ubuntu dorks |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | no .. you've infected it with ubuntu packages |
| 01:25.01 | treyh0 | no |
| 01:25.03 | treyh0 | i have not |
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| 01:25.05 | abrotman | then check the bts |
| 01:25.10 | treyh0 | i see it |
| 01:25.14 | treyh0 | it shows that its a bug in ubuntu patch |
| 01:25.27 | treyh0 | just a shame that "ubuntu" is crapping up debian |
| 01:25.32 | abrotman | so blame the debian packager . not ubuntu |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | he didn't have to accept the patch |
| 01:25.50 | treyh0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.52 | treyh0 | yep that's true |
| 01:26.48 | Stevie-O | abrotman: if I 'man minicom' in the console, instead of apostrophes ("it's") I get "it"blockycharacter"s" |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | Stevie-O: what is your locale ? |
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| 01:27.43 | Stevie-O | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:28.03 | henrycha | he instalado debian sarge con nucleo linux 2.6 y mi pc es un pentium III y cuando lo apago no funciona solo se apaga el disco duro,pero todo el sistema no |
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| 01:28.21 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:28.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:28.26 | concept10 | how large should a boot partition be? this is a 13gb drive |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | concept10: why do you want a boot partition at all |
| 01:28.38 | concept10 | 500mb? |
| 01:28.42 | Arc | I need help with a laptop. it's acting in a bizarre manner |
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| 01:29.02 | Nopalin | why kernel 2.6.15.6 doesn't have scanner drivers? |
| 01:29.05 | concept10 | abrotman, im following this http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/no-serial.html |
| 01:29.12 | Stevie-O | concept10: it is remarkably unlikely that you need a boot partition |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | concept10: 500MB is more than enough |
| 01:29.23 | submarineshaun | how do i change my default gateway? |
| 01:29.32 | Stevie-O | For a boot partition, 50mb is usually enough |
| 01:29.40 | treyh0 | submarineshaun: edit /etc/network/interfaces, 'gateway' |
| 01:29.42 | Arc | the pcmcia port wasn't working for the wireless card, then a memory exclusion was made, it worked again |
| 01:29.46 | submarineshaun | thank you |
| 01:30.01 | henrycha | my problem is that no one can't help me there |
| 01:30.03 | treyh0 | submarineshaun: there is also a man page (man interfaces) for syntax help |
| 01:30.09 | Arc | went through a kernel recompile to add FUSE support, now the wireless card doesn't workfor either the new kernel or the old kernel |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
| 01:30.33 | treyh0 | :) |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | treyh0: which one ? |
| 01:30.42 | henrycha | see i will try to explain it |
| 01:30.51 | concept10 | Stevie-O, the default Cobalt had a 500 mb boot partition, that guide I was reading doesnt really specify, ill go with 100mb |
| 01:31.13 | treyh0 | i saw it on there a few weeks ago, at some party or something |
| 01:31.14 | Stevie-O | what is cobalt? |
| 01:31.22 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 01:31.24 | Stevie-O | neat. |
| 01:31.25 | abrotman | treyh0: that was a wedding .. it was cake on my butt |
| 01:31.27 | Stevie-O | what arch? |
| 01:31.28 | submarineshaun | how do i get it to read that file no w i made chages to it? |
| 01:31.32 | treyh0 | abrotman: yeah hehe |
| 01:31.36 | concept10 | Stevie-O, a old MIPS server |
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| 01:31.41 | Stevie-O | ah |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | treyh0: it's actually a pretty old picture |
| 01:31.47 | Arc | anyone? |
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| 01:32.15 | Stevie-O | abrotman: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:32.20 | henrycha | i'm using recently debian sarge and when i try to poweroff mi pc it does'nt work, my pc is pemtium III ATX |
| 01:32.35 | Stevie-O | do you have acpi enabled? |
| 01:32.45 | henrycha | can some one can help me please??? |
| 01:32.57 | henrycha | i'm using recently debian sarge and when i try to poweroff mi pc it does'nt work, my pc is pemtium III ATX |
| 01:32.57 | dvs | henrycha: pre 2001 pc? |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | Stevie-O: it's possible the app isn't UTF clean |
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| 01:33.32 | Stevie-O | man? |
| 01:33.33 | Arc | I'm a Gentoo guy, this is my partner's laptop, he insists on running debian even though I can't help him with it |
| 01:33.38 | Arc | can someone please help me help him? |
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| 01:33.52 | Stevie-O | you really think man isn't handling utf-8 properly? |
| 01:33.52 | henrycha | yes |
| 01:34.00 | henrycha | i guess so |
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| 01:34.05 | treyh0 | Arc: install gentoo and edit /etc/issue :P |
| 01:34.21 | Arc | treyh0: he won't let me. |
| 01:34.27 | Arc | the card works on my gentoo system |
| 01:34.36 | treyh0 | Arc: then tell him to fix his own laptop |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | Arc: why did you compile a kernel again ? |
| 01:34.37 | t4da5hI | deutsche hier ? |
| 01:34.41 | abrotman | !de |
| 01:34.42 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 01:34.42 | treyh0 | Arc: my woman runs what i tell her to |
| 01:34.43 | treyh0 | HEH |
| 01:34.53 | t4da5hI | danke |
| 01:34.54 | t4da5hI | thx |
| 01:35.34 | henrycha | dvs: a frien told me that i need to install a module but i do'nt know the name |
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| 01:36.01 | Arc | abrotman: because he needed some options not in the default kernel |
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| 01:36.02 | dvs | henrycha: acpi? |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | Arc: ? |
| 01:36.19 | sakuro | HI, what is the way to use apache prompt user/passwd before enter webmin user/password ? |
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| 01:36.27 | henrycha | dvs: maybe |
| 01:36.36 | concept10 | Stevie-O, how about the root partition? |
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| 01:36.38 | Arc | abrotman: i dont think the kernel is the issue because a known-to-work kernel is now not working |
| 01:36.48 | henrycha | there are more ?? |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | Arc: what about pcmcia tools ? |
| 01:36.57 | Arc | there's been some change in userspace but I don't know how to track down what |
| 01:37.03 | henrycha | dvs: there are more?? |
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| 01:37.12 | Arc | abrotman: I know nothing about pcmcia tools. point me? |
| 01:37.25 | abrotman | anything in dmesg ? |
| 01:37.29 | dvs | henrycha: if your PC is not powering off then it's either acpi or apm. |
| 01:37.30 | abrotman | errors i mean |
| 01:37.43 | Arc | what I know is that when the Orinoco-based card is inserted, it says pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia1.0 |
| 01:37.48 | abrotman | Arc: apt-cache search pcmcia .. should show lots of stuff |
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| 01:38.23 | thisbullet | grr |
| 01:38.34 | Arc | then hermes @ 00010100: Error -16 issuing command 0x0021, then eth0: Cannot read hardware identity: error -16, then eth0: Incompatable firmware, aborting, finally orinoco_cs: register_netdev() failed |
| 01:38.36 | henrycha | dvs:so whats the problem? |
| 01:38.53 | dvs | henrycha: probably the acpi module is not loaded |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | Arc: does the card need firmware to work ? |
| 01:39.32 | henrycha | dvs: i will try to configure it |
| 01:39.41 | Arc | abrotman: it's a standard orinoco card. the card works fine on my gentoo laptop (which I'm using now) without anything special |
| 01:40.04 | Arc | and it was working yesterday on his laptop. it stopped working when he recompiled the kernel, but as I said, even a known-working kernel doesn't work now. |
| 01:41.08 | thisbullet | debian sux :) |
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| 01:41.09 | henrycha | dvs: i was using knopix in my pc and my pc use to poweroff |
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| 01:41.23 | zirikili | dist-upgrade is stopping when try to get libgcj-common and java-gcj-compat packages. how do I remove it from download list? |
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| 01:42.03 | Arc | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 01:42.20 | henrycha | dvs: where i find acpi module |
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| 01:42.32 | abrotman | zirikili: install the rest manually |
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| 01:42.38 | dvs | henrycha: "modprobe acpi" as root |
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| 01:43.06 | henrycha | dvs: ok |
| 01:43.12 | somePriest | Hi. My USB logitech mouse has worked fine till I just rebooted. Now in console, with or without GPM running, every time I move the mouse I get the error: "psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away". Anyone know what can cause this? |
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| 01:43.20 | sorb | how can I disable APIC? |
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| 01:43.33 | abrotman | Arc: hrm ... |
| 01:43.33 | Stevie-O | noapic on the kernel command line |
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| 01:43.37 | Stevie-O | sorb |
| 01:43.39 | abrotman | Arc: did you change anything else ? |
| 01:43.51 | illsci | where do you set the permissions of homedirs when they are created |
| 01:43.54 | bahamat | does anyone know a nifty trick I can use to see all the packages installed today by apt? |
| 01:44.00 | illsci | like beforehand |
| 01:44.01 | Stevie-O | *today* ? |
| 01:44.18 | Arc | abrotman: *I* didn't I don't know if hechanged anything |
| 01:44.23 | chealer | zirikili: did you ask about that some days ago? |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | Arc: though .. TBH .. my 'cardmgr' totally fails to run at all |
| 01:44.27 | Wyzard | illsci: aptitude keeps logs of that, but I don't think apt-get does |
| 01:44.29 | bahamat | Stevie-O: or, within X amount of time? |
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| 01:44.36 | Stevie-O | not sure |
| 01:44.42 | Stevie-O | i'd start with dpkg -l and go from there, I guess |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | Arc: are you using hotplug or udev or something else? |
| 01:45.05 | zirikili | chealer: hi. yes. was me. I am trying again. |
| 01:45.11 | Arc | udev |
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| 01:45.18 | abrotman | zirikili: i just told you how |
| 01:45.20 | chealer | zirikili: I was asking you which apt version you had |
| 01:45.22 | abrotman | Arc: ewwww |
| 01:45.22 | Arc | abrotman: im pretty certain at least |
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| 01:45.31 | abrotman | Arc: hrm .. and a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 01:45.37 | zirikili | chealer: abrotman : did you? |
| 01:45.39 | Arc | abrotman: yes. 2.6.16 |
| 01:45.56 | chealer | zirikili: what? |
| 01:45.59 | abrotman | cows! |
| 01:46.14 | zirikili | chealer: sorry |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | Arc: and the same card worked before this kernel compile ? |
| 01:46.35 | Arc | abrotman: yes. |
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| 01:46.42 | zirikili | chealer: abrotman told me to install the rest manually |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | so do it! |
| 01:46.52 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:47.07 | abrotman | Arc: if you boot the old kernel same error correct? |
| 01:47.17 | abrotman | Arc: what was the old kernel ? |
| 01:47.17 | Arc | abrotman: yes. |
| 01:47.40 | Arc | it was 2.6.16-arc which I configured and compiled myself. it was tested and known to work. |
| 01:47.59 | Arc | he edited his own and added FUSE support |
| 01:48.04 | zirikili | abrotman: I really dont know how. how do I remove that packages from list? there is a lot of packages on dist-upgrade. and only two cant be downloaded |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | zirikili: apt-get install <pkg> .. just not the ones that are broken |
| 01:49.11 | Arc | im booting a gentoo livecd on his system now to see if I can discover the problem |
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| 01:49.12 | zirikili | abrotman: shoul I do this with all the others? I am talkink about all the system upgrading |
| 01:49.16 | somePriest | What is the key combo to change resolutions in X? I thought it was control alt +/-, but that doesn't seem to work. |
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| 01:49.19 | chealer | zirikili: OK, if you think that will fix your problem. anyway, I realize I have to go |
| 01:49.30 | \amethyst | somePriest: you have to use the +/- on the keypad |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | Arc: there are FUSE modules available for the debian kernels iirc |
| 01:49.41 | somePriest | \amethyst : Ahhh, ok, thanks. |
| 01:49.57 | Arc | abrotman: that's not my concern right now. FUSE isn't the problem. the problem is that his card has stopped working. |
| 01:50.07 | somePriest | \amethyst That doesn't seem to work either though. |
| 01:50.13 | Arc | and there seems to be no indication why |
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| 01:50.33 | abrotman | Arc: google was worthless ? |
| 01:50.53 | abrotman | Arc: i wonder if booting the old . and using MAKEDEV might make a difference |
| 01:51.03 | zirikili | abrotman: is there a way to indicate the apt-get DO NOT download the two packages? |
| 01:51.06 | jhujhiti | has anyone used the new state match in ip6tables yet? |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | zirikili: paste the error somewhere |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:51.20 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:51.28 | abrotman | zirikili: and make SURE you do any apt-get update before that |
| 01:52.12 | zirikili | abrotman: I did. but now I am on a text only system. I will try to paste the error |
| 01:52.53 | Arc | abrotman: why would MAKEDEV change the way pcmcia works? |
| 01:53.08 | Arc | its almost like the system is ignoring the /etc/pcmcia support |
| 01:53.34 | Arc | er s/support/config |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | Arc: udev does the whole /dev/ dynamically .. |
| 01:53.40 | abrotman | Arc: wait .. where did you get your config ? |
| 01:53.56 | Arc | which config? |
| 01:53.57 | abrotman | or "the" config |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | to build the new 2.6.16 that borked it all |
| 01:54.10 | Arc | you mean /etc/pcmcia/*? |
| 01:54.23 | Arc | he configured it with make menuconfig |
| 01:54.30 | Arc | and we dont know that his kernel borked it. |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | i realize that |
| 01:54.55 | abrotman | there are no hints in dmesg at all ? |
| 01:55.11 | Arc | hold on im rebooting. |
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| 01:56.49 | jcole | for the love of jesus, how do i loop mount an initrd cpio file? |
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| 01:57.45 | abrotman | jcole: you want to mount the initrd file ? |
| 01:57.45 | jcole | abrotman: yes |
| 01:57.50 | jcole | abrotman: i forgot how or something has changed |
| 01:58.06 | abrotman | jcole: see .. this is why Bruce was useful .. and then you guys fired him! |
| 01:58.52 | Wyzard | jcole: afaik you can't mount a cpio file... you have to extract it |
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| 01:59.04 | sorb | does anyone know if I can disable apic on an i386 kernel to allow it to work on an amd64? |
| 01:59.06 | abrotman | mount -o loop /tmp/myinitrd /mnt/myinitrd |
| 01:59.09 | jcole | Wyzard: well... that explains alot |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | weasel00: bruce perens |
| 01:59.18 | Wyzard | jcole: initrds were cramfs filesystems, which were mountable... the newer "initramfs" is cpio |
| 01:59.28 | somePriest | \amethyst : I've set multiple resolutions which my monitor can handle in my X config. It uses the larger of the two by default. Control Alt - doesn't go to the smaller res though (using - on the numpad). Is this unusual? |
| 01:59.29 | abrotman | weasel00: don't feel bad .. jcole didn't think it was funny either :) |
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| 01:59.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: doesn't sarge still use cramfs though ? |
| 01:59.55 | Wyzard | abrotman: afaik, yes |
| 02:00.01 | abrotman | jcole: so are you running sarge? |
| 02:00.11 | Arc | abrotman: i see no clues |
| 02:00.14 | Wyzard | sorb: An i386 kernel should run just fine on an AMD64 system |
| 02:00.18 | jcole | abrotman: i'm hacking the boot iso |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 02:00.24 | dpkg | from memory, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 02:00.29 | Arc | pcmcia: Detected depreciated PCMCIA ioctl usage. |
| 02:00.35 | sorb | yes, but I get an apic error on cpu0! |
| 02:00.47 | jcole | abrotman: :) |
| 02:00.50 | abrotman | Arc: that's weird .. but it doesn't throw an error |
| 02:00.56 | Arc | no |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | jcole: think those might help ? :) |
| 02:01.04 | ecdemo | yeah, what's that ioctl thimg about? |
| 02:01.37 | abrotman | Arc: do you have any other pcmcia cards to try? |
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| 02:02.04 | ecdemo | abrotman: same thing here (but it's of no consequence, I'm not using pcmcia now) |
| 02:02.09 | sorb | I dpn |
| 02:02.13 | Arc | the one in my system.. |
| 02:02.26 | abrotman | oh .. mine does it too |
| 02:02.29 | Arc | hold on im trying to boot w/o the card then add the card once it's booted |
| 02:02.34 | sorb | I don't understand why debian is the only one that gives me this problem, I would just disable it if I knew how for now. |
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| 02:02.35 | abrotman | Arc: ah .. ok |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 02:02.45 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 02:03.01 | Wyzard | sorb: Did you try "noapic" ? |
| 02:03.09 | Arc | abrotman: be right back (this irc session is on gnu screen) |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:03.37 | sorb | oh I don't know, its that easy? just type -noapic at install? |
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| 02:03.47 | concept10 | abrotman, i tried to mount the drive (which went fine) but I cant create the directories needed, for some reason they conflict with the dirs from the live cd, thats why i wanted to chroot |
| 02:03.51 | ecdemo | at boot |
| 02:04.04 | ecdemo | likeafox: boot: linux noapic? |
| 02:04.19 | abrotman | concept10: you can't chroot .. there's nothing on the target drive |
| 02:04.20 | ecdemo | not likeafox, just like |
| 02:04.25 | Arc | abrotman: my card is an Orinoco Classic Gold, not generic brand orinoco, it has the exact same error. |
| 02:04.37 | Arc | i'm 99% certain the problem is PCMCIA related |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | Arc: and you can't run cardmgr or anything ? |
| 02:04.48 | abrotman | (i can't |
| 02:04.49 | abrotman | ) |
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| 02:05.01 | Arc | abrotman: nono i think cardmgr is running |
| 02:05.05 | weasel00 | abrotman : bruce seems like quite a activist for open source |
| 02:05.08 | sorb | do you do that at install? |
| 02:05.23 | Arc | "open source" has no activists. |
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| 02:05.36 | concept10 | abrotman, okay, well how do I just create the needed directories? (/boot, /home, etc) |
| 02:05.38 | Arc | activists promote "free software", businesses promote "open source" |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | Arc: can you kill it ? |
| 02:05.54 | pipeline | Arc: Heh, activists are fond of attempting to change the definition of "open source" to mean something special. |
| 02:06.00 | abrotman | weasel00: he seems liek a cool guy to have a beer with |
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| 02:06.22 | abrotman | pipeline: can you /lastlog Arc .. have any idea what might cause that ? |
| 02:06.24 | Arc | abrotman: actually he's using pccardd |
| 02:06.28 | Arc | it's running twice. |
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| 02:06.40 | weasel00 | quote "I had a lot to do with the development of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution." note "had" ... =\ |
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| 02:06.51 | abrotman | Arc: well .. that's a wee bit weird |
| 02:07.09 | abrotman | weasel00: yeah .. but even Ian Murdock is no longer a DD |
| 02:07.13 | pipeline | abrotman: That IS a wee bit weird. |
| 02:07.18 | ecdemo | like he's washed his hands of it |
| 02:07.37 | abrotman | weasel00: https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=imurdock%40progeny.com |
| 02:07.46 | pipeline | weasel00, abrotman : The only involvement Murdock had in it was teh beginning. He briefly worked at a debian-focused company, though. Sadly, said company has now lost most of its bright people and does a lot of redhat support :( |
| 02:07.49 | abrotman | pipeline: well . thanks for confirming i'm totally stumped :) |
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| 02:08.07 | abrotman | pipeline: doesn't branden still work there? |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | pipeline: have you ever seen branden in town ? |
| 02:08.34 | lightcap | hmm according to the data center support team the console is reporting a file-max-size error still |
| 02:08.43 | weasel00 | pipeline : thank you for the info.. im young deb head =\ |
| 02:08.45 | lightcap | I'm going to see if I can get a rescue environment to have a look |
| 02:08.58 | pipeline | abrotman: Indianapolis is about 1.2 million people, with closer to two million when you include the suburbs. It covers a geographic area the size of NYC. So no. :P |
| 02:09.05 | abrotman | pipeline: i've been there |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | pipeline: but still .. it's not like philly |
| 02:09.27 | pipeline | abrotman: No, it's not a very metropolitan place at all. It is, after all, a factory town. |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | and my co-workers have seen ESR |
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| 02:09.35 | pipeline | heh |
| 02:09.39 | pipeline | you would know ESR if you saw him |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | i'd run |
| 02:09.43 | pipeline | he's a distinctive-looking fellow |
| 02:09.46 | chaedaeX | where is it configured the behavior of ctrl-alt-del and power button? |
| 02:09.56 | abrotman | chaedaeX: /etc/inittab for the ctrl-alt-del |
| 02:10.05 | pipeline | abrotman: Any sane person would. |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | pipeline: he lives about 10 minutes from my office |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | i'd rather run into bruce mjomin or whatever that is |
| 02:10.57 | ecdemo | the pg guy? |
| 02:11.05 | abrotman | pipeline: maybe you should offer branden some beer at Ram's or whatever it is .. or B-Dubs :) |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | ecdemo: yes |
| 02:11.16 | chaedaeX | abrotman: i forget, what's the command to apply the changes to inittab? |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | save the file ? |
| 02:11.37 | ecdemo | you send SIGHUP to init |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | oh . i thought he meant to the file itself :) |
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| 02:12.15 | ecdemo | actually you're right, he said "to" :) |
| 02:12.21 | pipeline | chaedaeX: init q ? |
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| 02:12.29 | lightcap | okay I have a rescue environment now... |
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| 02:12.44 | chaedaeX | ah yeah, init q |
| 02:13.06 | pipeline | abrotman: By the way, I live an hour outside indy. I work there, but I don't go to bars there :P |
| 02:13.15 | chaedaeX | what does pkill agetty do? |
| 02:13.24 | ecdemo | man pkill |
| 02:13.29 | pipeline | chaedaeX: Finds the first agetty process and kills it. |
| 02:13.33 | chaedaeX | ecdemo: i know what kill does |
| 02:13.33 | AlienX | anyone having problems with their marillat sources? |
| 02:13.42 | abrotman | pipeline: so what! .. maybe he'd go .. |
| 02:13.51 | chaedaeX | but i mean, i think it just shuts it down and it should automatically respan, right? |
| 02:14.04 | lightcap | how the hell can there be too many open files on a reboot? |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | it's a 4bit OS ? |
| 02:14.18 | ecdemo | depending on what inittab says |
| 02:14.25 | lightcap | lol |
| 02:15.01 | ecdemo | that probably depends on where you are during the reboot too |
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| 02:15.22 | abrotman | pipeline: which way outside? |
| 02:15.23 | lightcap | I cant make sense of it frankly...too much crap in the syslog |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | pipeline: W,E? |
| 02:15.29 | nekostar | what other than mrtg can i use to track bandwidth usage? |
| 02:15.36 | nekostar | or rather |
| 02:15.37 | weasel00 | what ever happen to ibm's 0 1 .5 architecture that came out a few years back? |
| 02:15.54 | ecdemo | why not mrtg? |
| 02:15.54 | nekostar | what can i use to show total useage not current bw speed? |
| 02:16.06 | pipeline | abrotman: w,e ? |
| 02:16.13 | lightcap | nekostar: rrdtool |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | pipeline: west,east? north/south ? |
| 02:16.21 | ecdemo | you would have to integrate the rate of change |
| 02:16.27 | nekostar | rrdtool? lightcap that works via cli? |
| 02:16.28 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, which way. I live east of indianapolis, in another horrendously grim factory town. |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | pipeline: i might be going to a wedding this summer in New Castle |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | (i think that's the name) |
| 02:16.51 | lightcap | nekostar: didn't see that requirement |
| 02:16.52 | pipeline | abrotman: I live in a place that was one of the wealthiest working-class areas of the country just fifty years ago, and is today a run-down shithole with a meth problem. |
| 02:17.01 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, newcastle is right outside where I live (Muncie) |
| 02:17.11 | pipeline | abrotman: Newcastle is a shithole suburb of Muncie, the larger city in the area |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:17.27 | ecdemo | depends on what you mean by 'works' |
| 02:17.31 | weasel00 | pipepline sounds a few places just outside of the silicon valley =) |
| 02:17.54 | nekostar | lightcap, |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | pipeline: nothign is "large" out there .. even indy pales in comparison to philly |
| 02:18.11 | lightcap | nekostar: what do you mean works via cli? |
| 02:18.17 | nekostar | the server is remote to me.. ive got apache and a few other things installed... as long as it doesnt require X to run its good enough most likely |
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| 02:18.29 | lightcap | nekostar: no X needed |
| 02:18.34 | ecdemo | nekostar, perhaps it's time for you to actually tell ALL of the requirements BEFORE we respond... wait, never mind, unless it's a job offer :) |
| 02:18.54 | pipeline | abrotman: You will drive through here to get to newcastle |
| 02:19.11 | ecdemo | but if they are few and COMPLETE, that'd probably be alright |
| 02:19.14 | nekostar | o wow |
| 02:19.14 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, indy pales in comparison to everything, even cincinatti. It's a pretty grim place :P |
| 02:19.19 | nekostar | go go ecdemo wit |
| 02:19.19 | nekostar | ~_~ |
| 02:19.21 | apt | _~ is, like, sour face |
| 02:19.29 | pipeline | abrotman: You should definitely stop by, have a beer with me, eh? |
| 02:19.37 | pipeline | abrotman: Please keep me posted :P |
| 02:19.38 | nekostar | thanx lightcap |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | pipeline: it's nice to walk around though .. noone bothers you .. streets are clean .. you can do whatever you want on a friday night |
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| 02:20.03 | abrotman | pipeline: we'll see if i actually go .. i haven't been in great contact with the bride |
| 02:20.08 | ecdemo | nekostar: see, you're playing a nice game of "well you could..." "I can't do that because..." |
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| 02:20.23 | ecdemo | so tell us all the "because"s first |
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| 02:21.20 | abrotman | pipeline: if i go .. i'll let you know .. and we'll grab branden too :) |
| 02:21.21 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. Indianapolis, unlike most of the state, is starting to turn the corner economically. Things are coming back alive instead of dying. The urban renewal in the last 15 years is striking. |
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| 02:22.04 | abrotman | pipeline: it's actualyl a nice clean city .. most of my cities have been eastern .. or larger midwest(like chicago/miluakee) |
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| 02:22.45 | lightcap | abrotman: any pointers as to what I should be looking at in the rescue env? |
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| 02:22.58 | dormando | I'm an idiot; I'm trying to install AMD64 sarge on a box who's root disk is on a 3ware 9500 card. Is the 3ware kernel module available outside of the installer via udebs? |
| 02:23.42 | abrotman | lightcap: the altar at the church ? |
| 02:23.53 | lightcap | ha ha :) |
| 02:24.26 | lightcap | wondering if I have a log file that's over the max file size limit... |
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| 02:25.41 | abrotman | that would leave / filled .. a liveCD would let you know |
| 02:25.54 | weasel00 | whats the easiest way to add a nic? the install detected the extra nic but ifup isnt working? |
| 02:26.14 | ecdemo | first buy a nic |
| 02:26.18 | ecdemo | then put it in the machine |
| 02:26.21 | lightcap | abrotman: I thought there was some upper limit for a file size (4GB or something) |
| 02:26.24 | lightcap | that wouldnt fill root |
| 02:26.27 | lightcap | er / |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | lightcap: there is |
| 02:26.49 | weasel00 | ecdemo : that part's done :) |
| 02:26.59 | ecdemo | was it easy? :) |
| 02:27.17 | Atrocity | yeah, she was easy |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | dormando: using pure64 ? |
| 02:27.24 | weasel00 | ecdemo: nope, they're not coming up =) |
| 02:27.38 | ecdemo | well ok. |
| 02:28.14 | ecdemo | you have to find out which driver to use... and the linux kernel really supports specific chipsets rather than specific cards... |
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| 02:28.20 | dormando | abrotman; if that's debian-amd64, yeah |
| 02:28.35 | dormando | I haven't done an AMD64 install for a few months |
| 02:28.46 | ecdemo | you know which chipset you have on that nic? btw, is it pccard, pci, isa? |
| 02:28.50 | ecdemo | usb? |
| 02:28.59 | ecdemo | firewire? |
| 02:29.01 | weasel00 | pci realtek and intel |
| 02:29.14 | ecdemo | there are two cards? |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | dormando: might want to ask #debian-amd64 .. if they're awake |
| 02:29.26 | weasel00 | ecdemo : 3 =) |
| 02:29.34 | likeafox | I installed courier as my pop3 and sendmail as my smtp to find they use different storage systems :( |
| 02:29.34 | dormando | ok. |
| 02:29.41 | dormando | I think the problem would stand in debian i386 too actually |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | likeafox: ok .. so which would you like to change? |
| 02:29.55 | ecdemo | ok, if you do ifconfig eth1, do you get error? paragraph? |
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| 02:30.19 | dormando | abrotman; if the standard kernel doesn't have a driver in it, more are available from within the distribution anywhere? |
| 02:30.19 | De_Mon | what a mess... I'm trying to run apache2/stable, postgresql-8.1/unstable and phppgadmin |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | dormando: is the driver in sarge at all ? |
| 02:30.21 | likeafox | I'm not sure, maybe I should just install the entire courier suite so it can handle everything. |
| 02:30.25 | dormando | I'm wording this terribly :\ |
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| 02:30.35 | dormando | abrotman; I can compile it from kernel sources :\ |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | likeafox: i can tell you that postfix and courier work together |
| 02:30.40 | weasel00 | ecdemo : ifconfig gives in the info on them |
| 02:30.42 | likeafox | Unless someone knows a good smtp that uses maildir |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | dormando: ew! |
| 02:30.44 | cricket_ | how do i disbale the login manager and make it so the systems boots into a console login? |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | !tell dormando about custom netinst |
| 02:30.51 | ecdemo | ok... next: |
| 02:30.53 | likeafox | Okay |
| 02:30.57 | abrotman | !tell dormando about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 02:31.06 | ecdemo | ok, if you do ifconfig eth2 (yes friends that's 2), do you get error? paragraph? |
| 02:31.10 | De_Mon | cricket_ edit /etc/inittab |
| 02:31.21 | dvs | !tell cricket_ about nodm |
| 02:31.34 | De_Mon | !tell de_mon about nodm |
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| 02:31.58 | weasel00 | ecdemo : info on all them |
| 02:32.04 | De_Mon | dvs is that what he was asking? I didn't think so |
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| 02:32.12 | ecdemo | so the drivers are loaded for all cards |
| 02:32.14 | ecdemo | yes? |
| 02:32.37 | dvs | De_Mon: That's the only login manager that I know of |
| 02:32.47 | sfullenwider | Anyone know what font I should use to make Xchat display accented letters (as in those used in spanish) to display correctly? Do I need to install any international packages or something? |
| 02:32.49 | ecdemo | and you did "ifconfig eth1' and "ifconfig eth2"? |
| 02:32.54 | De_Mon | dvs type 'login' |
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| 02:33.00 | ecdemo | those -specific- commands? |
| 02:33.07 | dormando | abrotman; I think that's exactly what I needed, thanks |
| 02:33.09 | dormando | I'll read through |
| 02:33.16 | De_Mon | dvs the keyword there, was 'console' |
| 02:33.25 | weasel00 | ecdemo : not sure if "ifup ethX" errors with "ignoring unknown interface eth2=eth2" |
| 02:33.27 | abrotman | dormando: you will be responsible for your own kernel security issues |
| 02:33.44 | ecdemo | that's not my present question :) |
| 02:33.46 | ecdemo | and you did "ifconfig eth1' and "ifconfig eth2"? |
| 02:33.48 | dormando | abrotman; yup. This is just for the install purpose |
| 02:33.49 | ecdemo | those -specific- commands? |
| 02:33.56 | dormando | abrotman; I track vanilla stable + my patches for production, |
| 02:34.01 | ecdemo | that first, so we can rule out module problems |
| 02:34.03 | De_Mon | how do I get apache2/stable and posgresql-8.1/unstable to play nicely with phppgadmin/anything! |
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| 02:34.26 | cricket_ | how can i change the resolution of my console? |
| 02:34.32 | weasel00 | ecdemo : "ifconfig eth1" returns a paragraph of info. "ifconfig eth2" returns a paragraph of info. |
| 02:34.41 | ecdemo | excellent :) |
| 02:34.44 | cricket_ | my console is too damn big |
| 02:34.54 | De_Mon | cricket_ welcome back. it sounds like you're running a framebuffer |
| 02:35.02 | cricket_ | perhaps |
| 02:35.02 | ecdemo | ok, all you have to do now is edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:35.06 | cricket_ | what should i do? |
| 02:35.11 | ecdemo | to configure whichever nics need it |
| 02:35.17 | ecdemo | then you can ifup them |
| 02:35.26 | De_Mon | fbset and family should be what you need |
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| 02:36.06 | mebsd | hey |
| 02:36.17 | weasel00 | ecdemo : i edited the interfaces file for eth1 as "auto eth1" and it still does not come up. eth1 is connected to a dhcp server |
| 02:36.24 | mebsd | xmms play shoutcast? |
| 02:36.51 | cricket_ | hey how do i install the kernel source tree...i need it for the nvidia drivers |
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| 02:37.00 | abrotman | mebsd: ask #xmms .. but i think so |
| 02:37.02 | weasel00 | ecdemo : this worked before i reinstalled debian whihc is why im asking now |
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| 02:37.23 | De_Mon | !nvidia |
| 02:37.23 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 02:37.27 | ecdemo | you need more than just that |
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| 02:37.49 | weasel00 | oh because im a friggin retard.. i see what im doing wrong.. @$%^%$ |
| 02:37.59 | cricket_ | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 02:37.59 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
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| 02:38.04 | dvs | weasel: what happened? |
| 02:38.11 | ecdemo | after auto eth1, put iface eth1 inet dhcp (on its own line) |
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| 02:39.06 | weasel00 | ecdemo : thanks... i see what im doing wrong i forgot the second line... |
| 02:39.31 | weasel00 | dvs : i have too much blood in my alcohol to be working on this atm =) |
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| 02:39.49 | dvs | weasel00: O I C |
| 02:39.50 | ecdemo | in New Orleans, many many people on the second line would be sad to have been forgotten :) |
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| 02:42.04 | signature16 | does juk work with gnome? |
| 02:42.12 | ecdemo | weasel00: other than that, you're welcome :)_ |
| 02:42.52 | evaded | signature16: Why not? |
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| 02:43.01 | alexsilva | ola a todos |
| 02:43.13 | alexsilva | aquele knal do openoffice ainda existe? |
| 02:43.23 | evaded | signature16: juk - music organizer and player for KDE |
| 02:43.23 | ecdemo | !es |
| 02:43.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:43.26 | alexsilva | preciso de um help referente a documentação |
| 02:43.43 | alexsilva | tão querendo migrar do ms office pro openoffice |
| 02:43.59 | evaded | signature16: KDE use the QT library, Gnome use the GTk. It would a bit slower under Gnome, but normaly must work |
| 02:45.16 | alexsilva | hehehehe |
| 02:45.25 | lightcap | Mar 29 15:45:16 maya kernel: <6>VFS: file-max limit 8192 reached |
| 02:45.36 | evaded | !tell alexsilva about es |
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| 02:46.02 | lightcap | what can I do about that? not so sure that deleting files is the answer ;-) |
| 02:46.24 | weasel00 | ecdemo : how does it decide what order to name them ethX? |
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| 02:46.37 | ecdemo | probably the order the modules load |
| 02:46.58 | cricket_ | apt-get said it coudlnt finda package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 02:47.23 | dvs | !info nvidia-kernel-common sarge |
| 02:47.27 | evaded | cricket_: marillat?? |
| 02:47.28 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 02:47.39 | dvs | hmmmmm |
| 02:47.47 | ecdemo | so you need contrib source |
| 02:47.48 | cricket_ | whats the cmd to update my packaging btw? |
| 02:48.00 | dvs | cricket_: apt-get update |
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| 02:48.01 | LtL | rtfm |
| 02:48.02 | GhostXz | HI |
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| 02:48.03 | abrotman | lightcap: did you find out if / is full ? |
| 02:48.04 | GhostXz | HEY GUYS |
| 02:48.05 | ecdemo | there are several |
| 02:48.07 | GhostXz | WANNA SEE MY PENIS |
| 02:48.08 | GhostXz | =D |
| 02:48.08 | GhostXz | !?!?` |
| 02:48.09 | GhostXz | `!?!!? |
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| 02:48.13 | abrotman | tard |
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| 02:48.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@HSE-Montreal-ppp3469336.sympatico.ca] by dondelelcaro |
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| 02:48.37 | evaded | abrotman: bas... |
| 02:48.42 | ecdemo | it's the obvious choice |
| 02:48.47 | evaded | abrotman: bas... tard |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:48.52 | evaded | :-) |
| 02:48.54 | lightcap | abrotman: /dev/hda3 54G 7.1G 45G 14% /mnt/sysimage |
| 02:48.59 | lightcap | not even close to full |
| 02:49.00 | weasel00 | cartman fans in the channels i see |
| 02:49.04 | abrotman | lightcap: sounds not full to me :) |
| 02:49.05 | evaded | abrotman: no GhostXz, is one of it |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | lightcap: did you try to fsck the partition? |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | evaded: huh ? |
| 02:49.28 | lightcap | no, I didn't...but it looks like it was on boot |
| 02:49.39 | evaded | abrotman: No matters, i need to sleep ;-0 |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | heh ok |
| 02:49.48 | lightcap | abrotman: what is that 8192 number? number of open allowed file-descriptors? |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | lightcap: 8192 ? |
| 02:50.58 | lightcap | abrotman: Mar 29 15:45:16 maya kernel: <6>VFS: file-max limit 8192 reached |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | lightcap: where's that from ? |
| 02:51.23 | lightcap | syslog |
| 02:51.23 | ecdemo | it's 2^13 |
| 02:51.30 | lightcap | right when everything went to hell |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | lightcap: what about rigth before that ? |
| 02:51.40 | kingsley | How many packages are in unstable? |
| 02:51.40 | lightcap | from that point on, nothing worked. |
| 02:51.51 | lightcap | normal...just logins from imap |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 02:51.51 | cricket_ | how do i install my kernel source tree |
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| 02:52.01 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 18076 packages, 1656 maintainers, 37158 MB installed size, 12101 MB compressed size. |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | kingsley: roughly .. i mean .. i don't know that it counts incoming/new etc |
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| 02:52.13 | ecdemo | you need soil, water... and a tree |
| 02:52.41 | kingsley | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | kingsley: of course .. grep + wc could have told you that :) |
| 02:53.37 | ecdemo | seriously, apt-get install linux-source-<version> |
| 02:54.03 | ecdemo | then unpack the resulting tarball which should appear in /usr/ser |
| 02:54.06 | ecdemo | err |
| 02:54.06 | De_Mon | ecdemo unless it's kernel-source-<version> |
| 02:54.09 | evaded | cricket_: Try somethings like 'apt-cache search kernel source' |
| 02:54.31 | cricket_ | k |
| 02:54.40 | ecdemo | that would be for older kernels... shall we assume he wants that? :) |
| 02:55.03 | cricket_ | how can i figure out where it ionstall the kernel source too |
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| 02:55.07 | ecdemo | but maybe he wants the one for the kernel he has, -and- that kernel is an older one |
| 02:55.12 | sfullenwider | How does one switch there locales setting? |
| 02:55.18 | cricket_ | how do i configure the kernel source? |
| 02:55.20 | ecdemo | look in /usr/src |
| 02:55.40 | evaded | cricket_: And read been the info there |
| 02:55.59 | De_Mon | ecdemo afaik linux- is only prefixed on kernels in etch |
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| 02:56.02 | cricket_ | im trying to install the debian nvidia stuff..but all the shti it tells me to apt-get isnt existing |
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| 02:56.15 | ecdemo | oh, ok |
| 02:56.24 | evaded | cricket_: There are always many informations provided with an package, so probably the install instructions |
| 02:56.32 | JosephSpiros | hmm, apparently sparc didn't make it through to etch (at least, currently), and that's probably why sparc has been dropping from the mirrors... |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | sfullenwider: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:56.43 | cricket_ | the install instructions say to apt-get some nvidia packages |
| 02:56.47 | JosephSpiros | I remember when SCC was being discussed, there was an alternate mirror for times like this |
| 02:56.50 | cricket_ | but my packaing system doesnt have them |
| 02:56.56 | JosephSpiros | does it exist or did all sparc support just drop off the face of the earth? ;p |
| 02:57.02 | JosephSpiros | (that is, for etch) |
| 02:57.02 | ecdemo | did we say you need contrib sources? yes... but we didn't say you might also need non-free sources |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 02:57.10 | dpkg | sparc is, like, the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 02:57.24 | cricket_ | ecdemo, so what do i do? |
| 02:57.39 | sfullenwider | But that lets you switch multiple locales...I would have assumed that if I set up es_ES ISO-8859-1 in there I would be able to see spanish letter accents correctly but I do not. |
| 02:57.47 | sfullenwider | er setup multiple locals |
| 02:57.47 | De_Mon | Ahhh apt-get succeeded where aptitude was being an asshole |
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| 02:57.52 | ecdemo | have you installed a source package yet? what was the name? |
| 02:58.02 | deeee | crickect: You have to check /etc/sources.list |
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| 02:58.28 | lightcap | abrotman: nothing abnormal just before that log entry...just mrtg and munin runs via cron |
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| 02:58.33 | evaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.46 | evaded | oeps /apt/etc/sources.list |
| 02:58.50 | ecdemo | yeah, something like that :) |
| 02:58.51 | evaded | again |
| 02:59.01 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: sure, sure, though there aren't very many people in there, and there are many people in here, so I figured I'd ask here first before bothering them, especially since general knowledge about any dropped architecture might be useful in this case |
| 02:59.07 | deeee | cricket: evaded is right. |
| 02:59.08 | cricket_ | got it |
| 02:59.12 | JosephSpiros | hell, even powerpc isn't available on the primary mirror for my region for etch |
| 02:59.41 | evaded | so /etc/apt/sources.list :-/ |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: there seem to be more sparc users during the day in here |
| 02:59.46 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys I set up a bunh of cron jobs to be performed this morning while I was sleeping. This morning I wake up and find it isn't running. The error message was "Error opening terminal: unknown". Any idea why this was? I could use wget in cron jobs without trouble |
| 02:59.54 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: what mirror is this ? |
| 03:00.10 | evaded | cricket_: Need you the marillat? |
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| 03:00.34 | edmundo__ | hello |
| 03:00.39 | evaded | cricket_: Know you about marillat? |
| 03:00.47 | evaded | Yo :-) |
| 03:00.51 | deeee | is it ok to have a iptable "rule"(?) called MASQUERADE" all interfaces 0.0.0.0.0? |
| 03:00.54 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: ftp.debian.org, or archive.progeny.com, or debian.uchicago.edu |
| 03:00.54 | dvs | da |
| 03:01.17 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: those are the ones I've tracked, in order of when I switched to them because the previous one started losing sparc for etch |
| 03:01.17 | ecdemo | well 0.0.0.0.0 seems weird... |
| 03:01.23 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: for etch ? |
| 03:01.31 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: yes |
| 03:01.46 | JosephSpiros | what the hell |
| 03:01.49 | JosephSpiros | this is so confusing |
| 03:02.04 | JosephSpiros | I swear, it wasn't there a day ago |
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| 03:02.07 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: ftp.us.debian.org has it |
| 03:02.09 | JosephSpiros | which is when I switched to debian.uchicago |
| 03:02.20 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: maybe something happened to the mirror process today |
| 03:02.25 | cricket_ | evaded, no, i dont, waht is it? |
| 03:02.27 | deeee | ecdemo: its my dsl router running busybox route table. But the area is a bit farfetched for me :) |
| 03:02.33 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: hmm |
| 03:02.44 | evaded | !tell cricket_ about marillat |
| 03:02.46 | edmundo__ | anyone here knows how to feed apt-proxy with the packages that camed with debian CDs? Or any other way to create a local apt repository without needing to download the whole set of packages? |
| 03:02.48 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: well, thanks for your help, at least I have a solution to my immediate problem now :) |
| 03:02.54 | evaded | cricket_: Read what dpkg say you |
| 03:03.00 | cricket_ | thnx |
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| 03:03.19 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: and the PSU mirror has them |
| 03:03.27 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: carroll.aset.psu.edu |
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| 03:03.39 | evaded | cricket_: ;-) |
| 03:03.47 | deeee | edmundo___: saw something about debian-mirror. check dpkg |
| 03:04.07 | lightcap | yeah! fixed it ( I think ) |
| 03:04.09 | threat | what is the diff between Xfree86 and xorg? |
| 03:04.17 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: cheers |
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| 03:04.23 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: did you check the debian-mirror announce list? |
| 03:04.32 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: that's a great idea |
| 03:04.35 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: so of course I didn't |
| 03:04.41 | cricket_ | dumb q..how do i figure out what distro of debian im using |
| 03:04.46 | cricket_ | sarge, etc |
| 03:04.52 | JosephSpiros | cricket_: /etc/debian_version |
| 03:04.56 | cricket_ | says 3.1 |
| 03:05.00 | JosephSpiros | sarge, then |
| 03:05.03 | cricket_ | kj thnx |
| 03:05.23 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors-announce/2006/02/msg00000.html |
| 03:05.29 | astronut | what's the default pin priority? |
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| 03:05.51 | abrotman | 500 |
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| 03:06.18 | edmundo__ | deeee, mirror a repository is not difficult, what I was trying to do is feed some kind of local repository with the packages from the CDs to not need to download everithing. |
| 03:06.31 | evaded | edmundo__: Have you read the 'man apt-proxy' |
| 03:06.36 | edmundo__ | yes |
| 03:06.44 | lightcap | lsof | wc -l should tell me how many open files are on the system right? |
| 03:06.49 | edmundo__ | i configured it |
| 03:06.52 | ecdemo | do that then :) |
| 03:07.05 | lightcap | if so it's only 4098 (though I wonder if 4096 was the barrier) |
| 03:07.20 | edmundo__ | but when I try to import the packages it says that couldnt find a backend |
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| 03:07.42 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: ah, thanks a lot :) |
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| 03:07.52 | evaded | edmundo__: So you have setup the file '/etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy-v2.conf', Make an section [] and the file path of the deb files |
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| 03:08.04 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: all make sense now ? |
| 03:08.18 | prudhvi | i use 2.6.8-686 kernel and when i try to compile initrd as binary it says i have to patch the kernel why is it so? |
| 03:08.34 | evaded | edmundo__: Moment i past my config of it, i not make use of the CD rom but it's the same i hope. |
| 03:08.49 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: yep! |
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| 03:08.57 | edmundo__ | it is already working :) |
| 03:08.59 | cricket_ | how do i make my console reoslution better, and where it has that penguin when booting? |
| 03:08.59 | JosephSpiros | abrotman: and here I was worried sparc support was dropping :) |
| 03:09.09 | abrotman | JosephSpiros: it's just the mirror split i guess |
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| 03:09.12 | edmundo__ | but doesn't accept packages from my DVD |
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| 03:09.54 | edmundo__ | it says ...vcxvxc.deb skipped - no suitable backend found |
| 03:10.03 | edmundo__ | for all debs |
| 03:10.36 | evaded | me love 'xclip', when there are X, but what when we have not x? |
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| 03:10.56 | twobitsprite | ok, I know this is a FAQ, but I can't find it anywhere... how do I play wmv files in debian? |
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| 03:11.14 | twobitsprite | (testing) |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 03:11.36 | dpkg | hmm... w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 03:11.44 | prudhvi | !initrd |
| 03:11.44 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 03:11.54 | n0u5autr35 | hi there can any one help me find out something before i make the switch to pure debian from kubuntu ? |
| 03:11.55 | falls | hello, is there any pre-build xserver-xgl.deb for debian ? |
| 03:12.01 | edmundo__ | evaded, what I was trying to do is test FAI but I don't want to download everything again |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | n0u5autr35: just ask |
| 03:12.21 | twobitsprite | !marillat |
| 03:12.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 03:12.37 | abrotman | !tell twobitsprite about marillat |
| 03:12.43 | unstable | falls: no |
| 03:12.45 | unstable | !xgl |
| 03:12.45 | dpkg | i heard xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
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| 03:13.11 | evaded | edmundo__: I understand, http://pastebin.com/630158 |
| 03:13.18 | unstable | falls: xorg 7.0 isn't in debian yet |
| 03:13.31 | falls | I see, thank u! |
| 03:13.34 | abrotman | it's in experimental |
| 03:13.38 | prudhvi | !ati |
| 03:13.39 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 03:13.44 | n0u5autr35 | I have a bug with flash on my website http://guernouille.com/chat the chat does not load here but it does in other linux system such as fedora on kubuntu it crashes firefox i would like to know if the same bug is present in debian if anyone with debian can check it out and let me know I would greatly apreciate |
| 03:13.53 | deeee | Hi everyone. Is it ok to have a iptable "rule"(?) called MASQUERADE" all interfaces 0.0.0.0.0? its my dsl router running busybox route table. But the area is a bit farfetched for me :) |
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| 03:14.06 | unstable | falls: I would just download the livecd, and xgl will work out of the box if you want to check it out... > http://getkororaa.com |
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| 03:14.14 | evaded | edmundo__: While making that 'pastebin' i have make an little error on the last line, i have # comment it, but it's not commented |
| 03:14.19 | unstable | falls: No configuration or anything, just download that livecd and it will wokr out of the box. |
| 03:14.22 | unstable | !greet itguy |
| 03:14.22 | dpkg | Tag, itguy |
| 03:14.28 | ecdemo | well 0.0.0.0.0 seems weird... |
| 03:14.28 | cricket_ | my gnome session manager crashes now when i start it |
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| 03:14.50 | cricket_ | after installing the nvidia stuff and reconfiguring |
| 03:14.52 | ecdemo | (hmm, seems this is my second time saying that exact same thing... weird...) |
| 03:15.10 | evaded | edmundo__: So on the server side you need to make an backend point to 'file:///cdrom/ sarge main' or so |
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| 03:15.46 | edmundo__ | evaded, I done that already I have the sections debian an security pointing to the repositories, my sources.list points only to my apt-proxy and I have runned apt-get update |
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| 03:16.43 | deeee | ecdemo: Hi. just as i thought. Start triyng mixing deb with several knoppix distros and win98! All of a sudden, my dsl modem runs but internet is down. |
| 03:16.44 | evaded | edmundo__: Can you post the both config files? So that i look a bit, i have not experience with an CDROM backend but normally it |
| 03:16.46 | edmundo__ | Its working, but I could not use apt-proxy-import |
| 03:16.47 | lightcap | anyone see any issues with increasing /proc/sys/fs/file-max to 16384 from 8192? |
| 03:16.50 | cricket_ | ?? my gnome is crashing now when i startx |
| 03:16.52 | evaded | oeps ... to do |
| 03:16.55 | cricket_ | what did i fuckup |
| 03:17.10 | itguy | i'm n00be here,, i would like some information...i have an extra box at the house so i was thinking to setup Debain as a server and connect my xp box thru it wireless, and browse the net from the xp box...any help please |
| 03:17.11 | evaded | cricket_: Lookt to the log file of X |
| 03:17.24 | evaded | cricket_: /var/log/xfree or so |
| 03:17.33 | abrotman | lightcap: nope! |
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| 03:18.03 | n0u5autr35 | anyone can check if debian crashes on my flashchat site ? it did not crash on fedora but crashes on kubuntu !?!?! is debian more stable than kubuntu ??? the site is http://guernouille.com/chat |
| 03:18.15 | cricket_ | evaded, and do what? |
| 03:18.23 | unstable | !kubuntu |
| 03:18.23 | dpkg | it has been said that kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
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| 03:18.31 | evaded | cricket_: Post it eventually on pastebin or so |
| 03:18.35 | unstable | n0u5autr35: We do not support kubuntu, and yes debian is more stable. |
| 03:18.40 | wsjunior | is there an easy way to get rid of the kde apps at gnome menu? |
| 03:18.45 | abrotman | Ace_Wolf: robot! |
| 03:18.50 | evaded | n0u5autr35: Hey french one :-0 it work here! |
| 03:18.52 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe not a bot |
| 03:18.56 | ecdemo | itguy: step zero: get to know the hardware in the extra box. Know ALL chipsets. Then: read linux compatibility list to see which chipsets are supported and which not. |
| 03:18.57 | Ace_Wolf | yes |
| 03:19.05 | unstable | !hardware |
| 03:19.05 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 03:19.09 | n0u5autr35 | yes nut before i make the switch i would like to know if it as the same bug |
| 03:19.10 | evaded | n0u5autr35: Running Stable on that one an Mozilla-Firefox |
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| 03:19.26 | kendrick | hrm, does debian not support tibetan? |
| 03:19.27 | n0u5autr35 | kool so i will switch !! |
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| 03:19.56 | kendrick | (i determined the locale code was "bo" by checking "/usr/share/locale/all_languages") |
| 03:20.00 | evaded | n0u5autr35: Give the pass an i try if i can identify me there :-/ ;-) |
| 03:20.13 | unstable | kendrick: apt-get install ttf-tmuni |
| 03:20.16 | n0u5autr35 | i cant go ! |
| 03:20.23 | kendrick | unstable: that adds the locale??? |
| 03:20.27 | kendrick | i have a font |
| 03:20.29 | ecdemo | then stay :) |
| 03:20.32 | kendrick | i'm adding tibetan support to tux paint |
| 03:20.34 | unstable | kendrick: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ttf-tmuni |
| 03:20.38 | kendrick | i expect to receive a "bo.po" at some point |
| 03:20.43 | n0u5autr35 | my kubuntu firefox crashes when i go to my site chat |
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| 03:20.52 | Ace_Wolf | i need help for interface |
| 03:20.52 | wsjunior | which is the right kernel to use with an "Athlon XP"? 686 or K7 ? |
| 03:21.00 | evaded | kendrick: And that locale are been installed? |
| 03:21.07 | kendrick | evaded: how do i tell? |
| 03:21.11 | kendrick | i have a sh*tload of locales available |
| 03:21.23 | kendrick | and have activated almost all *UTF8 versions of them, for eventual tux paint support & testing |
| 03:21.28 | ecdemo | any remotes? |
| 03:21.53 | evaded | Ace_Wolf: Explain the problem |
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| 03:22.24 | unstable | !tell n0u5autr35 about kubuntu |
| 03:22.33 | n0u5autr35 | ? |
| 03:22.33 | edmundo__ | evaded, http://pastebin.com/630162 |
| 03:22.35 | Ace_Wolf | well is long .. can i comme priv? |
| 03:22.36 | unstable | n0u5autr35: We do not support that here, that isn't debian. This is a support channel for debian. |
| 03:22.37 | n0u5autr35 | tell what ! |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:22.42 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 03:23.13 | n0u5autr35 | yes i just wanted to know if debian was able to load it before i installed it and i got an aswer thanks ! |
| 03:23.18 | wsjunior | which is the right kernel to use with an "Athlon XP"? 686 or K7 ? |
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| 03:23.30 | unstable | wsjunior: 686 |
| 03:23.53 | unstable | er, k7 |
| 03:23.57 | abrotman | k7 |
| 03:24.08 | wsjunior | thanks! |
| 03:24.25 | cricket_ | hmm my gnome only crashes when run as root |
| 03:24.28 | cricket_ | any ideas? |
| 03:24.35 | unstable | cricket_: Why would you run gnome as root? |
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| 03:24.51 | Money | how can i get "true" transparency for my terminal, panel, and menus(submenus)?? |
| 03:24.56 | lightcap | man, there is no way that I hit 8192 open files like syslog said...I've got monitoring graphs showing open files never get above 1890, even right before the system crashed. |
| 03:25.01 | unstable | !tell Money about eterm |
| 03:25.14 | wsjunior | is there any easy way to take off kde apps from gnome menu? |
| 03:25.20 | abrotman | lightcap: race condition ? |
| 03:25.26 | Money | unstable: thank you :) and thanks for the link to debian gnu/linux bible, is it any good? |
| 03:25.26 | lightcap | abrotman: maybe... |
| 03:25.27 | unstable | wsjunior: no, manually remove them. |
| 03:25.28 | kendrick | hummmmm |
| 03:25.29 | kendrick | tibet being tibet |
| 03:25.31 | cricket_ | unstable, accident |
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| 03:25.35 | kendrick | will its locale have a country code!? :) |
| 03:25.37 | cricket_ | i was editing my config then started it |
| 03:25.38 | wsjunior | unstable, thanks. |
| 03:25.44 | lightcap | abrotman: something definitely went whacko, and I don't think the kernel interpreted it right. |
| 03:25.58 | unstable | cricket_: Well don't run gnome as root and it won't crash? |
| 03:25.59 | itguy | what pkg do i need to download to make my box act as a server....can i get directed to the right direction please! |
| 03:25.59 | evaded | edmundo__: It's the end slahs of 'http://fai:9999/debian/' the last slahs?? |
| 03:26.05 | unstable | cricket_: What version of debian are you using? |
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| 03:26.12 | evaded | edmundo__: Need to remove it?? |
| 03:26.20 | unstable | !tell itguy about ssh |
| 03:26.22 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 03:26.22 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 03:26.42 | kendrick | hm, i guess it's "bo_CN" :^/ |
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| 03:27.21 | ecdemo | itguy: have you collected information on your hardware yet? have you used debian/linux/unix before? have you installed debian/linux/unix before? |
| 03:27.55 | edmundo__ | evaded, the last slash doesn't make difference apt-get update finds my apt-proxy with or without it |
| 03:27.59 | abrotman | still sunday! |
| 03:28.17 | prudhvi | i have a 2.6.8 kernel can i apt-get testing 2.6.15 kernel without dependency problems ? |
| 03:28.18 | ecdemo | itguy: probably the box can act as a server. as far as how, you'll have to discover those things one at a time |
| 03:28.30 | itguy | ecdemo: i'm using debian now , yes alot of guys here help me thru the process and i'm very thanks full to them |
| 03:28.38 | evaded | edmundo__: And what is the error precisly? |
| 03:28.47 | kendrick | ok, cya! :) |
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| 03:28.51 | ecdemo | ok, so you have debian now |
| 03:28.53 | abrotman | itguy: what kind of server? |
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| 03:29.10 | ecdemo | can it see the other machines? can the other machines see it |
| 03:29.14 | ecdemo | ? |
| 03:29.29 | edmundo__ | if I type: apt-proxy-import -i /directory/full/of/DVD/debs |
| 03:29.43 | prudhvi | i have a 2.6.8 kernel can i apt-get testing 2.6.15 kernel without dependency problems ? |
| 03:29.52 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 03:30.10 | abrotman | maybe try backports.org ? |
| 03:30.20 | edmundo__ | it says for every package: [import] nameofpackage.deb skipped - no suitable backend found |
| 03:30.21 | prudhvi | abrotman ok :) |
| 03:30.34 | ecdemo | itguy: don't be too impatient too... if this is your first experience with linux/unix, there is a very large body of info to learn |
| 03:30.36 | Ace_Wolf | evaded: are you there ? |
| 03:30.42 | itguy | abrotman: i am thinking to make a box as a server, that i can connect x amount of windows boxs to it and they can browse the internet thru the linux |
| 03:30.43 | evaded | Ace_Wolf: Yes |
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| 03:30.51 | ecdemo | your best bet is to give yourself time to learn |
| 03:30.53 | yoo_OQP | Hi ! |
| 03:30.55 | abrotman | itguy: you mean a router? |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 03:31.05 | dpkg | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
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| 03:31.12 | Ace_Wolf | eccf did you comprit the problem or not ? |
| 03:31.22 | itguy | abrotman: yes..i guess |
| 03:31.25 | Money | but i need my panels and menus to be transparent too, not just the terminal unstable |
| 03:31.26 | roler | what is the name of the wireless scanner for linux? There is a really nice one that shows aim packets and everything |
| 03:31.27 | Ace_Wolf | evaded: .. |
| 03:31.39 | itguy | ecdemo: am sorry...if i gave wronge impression |
| 03:31.43 | yoo_OQP | What does it mean root=301 ? |
| 03:31.44 | yoo_OQP | Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=LinuxOLD ro root=301 |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | yoo_OQP: in what OS ? |
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| 03:32.18 | itguy | abrotman: my friend told me if i did something like this i'll be safe from viruses and hackers |
| 03:32.28 | yoo_OQP | abrotman: OS ? |
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| 03:32.36 | abrotman | yoo_OQP: distribution |
| 03:32.38 | yoo_OQP | debian sid and lilo |
| 03:32.43 | evaded | Ace_Wolf: Ok a little time prive, its 05:35AM here and im not really fit :-/ |
| 03:32.59 | yoo_OQP | no debian sarge and lilo sorry |
| 03:33.13 | abrotman | itguy: i suppose |
| 03:33.14 | yoo_OQP | because i can't boot on kernel 2.6 |
| 03:33.23 | yoo_OQP | because of root=301 |
| 03:33.29 | yoo_OQP | i have a kernel panic |
| 03:33.39 | Money | help, i need my terminal, panel, and menu transparent, not he fake transparent , true transparency |
| 03:33.41 | yoo_OQP | but all is OK whith kernel 2.4 |
| 03:33.58 | Ace_Wolf | here in greece is 06:35 and i dind sleep at all |
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| 03:34.31 | itguy | abrotman: can u help me |
| 03:34.48 | abrotman | !tell itguy about iptables |
| 03:34.57 | Money | anyone? please help |
| 03:35.09 | stoned | I need money |
| 03:35.17 | ecdemo | itguy: all I'm saying is, there are a lot of things to learn... you were acting fairly impatient before, so I'm just telling you, that's not going to help (not impatience, and not acting impatient) |
| 03:35.19 | evaded | IDEM |
| 03:35.20 | jbroome | stoned: apt-get install money |
| 03:35.35 | stoned | I wish it were that simple |
| 03:35.39 | iank | jbroome: but money is only in 'stable' repo =( |
| 03:35.51 | yoo_OQP | Somebody know that root=301 mean ? |
| 03:35.53 | yoo_OQP | please |
| 03:35.55 | ecdemo | stoned: invest in real estate |
| 03:36.06 | Money | how can i get true transpareency for my terminal, panel, and menus? |
| 03:36.25 | iank | Money: cut a hole in your monitor |
| 03:36.26 | ecdemo | (but, two words, "due diligence") |
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| 03:36.30 | stoned | Money, load the composite extention |
| 03:36.52 | stoned | Money, search google for transparency on X windows. hundreds of articles |
| 03:36.52 | evaded | Ace_Wolf: Like you have asked, and i have try to talk you prive, but no responding... |
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| 03:37.59 | evaded | Ace_Wolf: Have you registred you're nick name? Without it you can not talk private |
| 03:38.16 | abrotman | you can both join the same channel |
| 03:38.32 | iank | 22:35 < stoned> I need money |
| 03:38.34 | iank | 22:36 < Money> how can i get true transpareency for my terminal, panel, and menus? |
| 03:38.41 | iank | That's a funny little coincidence =) |
| 03:38.44 | evaded | abrotman: He is go in #debian-belgium where i'm also ;-) |
| 03:39.11 | abrotman | evaded: you could both /join #helpAce_Wolf |
| 03:39.15 | Money | stoned: what is composite extention and hgow do i get to it |
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| 03:39.36 | evaded | abrotman: Right!, making an new channel temp ;-) |
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| 03:41.12 | stazo | hi, system text display frozen during boot-up after this line: Allocating PCI resources at 20000000. Any one has experienced this? kernel ver is 2.6.15. |
| 03:41.29 | unstable | !tell stazo about anyone |
| 03:41.32 | unstable | !tell stazo about ask |
| 03:42.31 | dererk | unstable, you love to use bots, don't you? :P |
| 03:42.34 | Money | composite extention? |
| 03:42.35 | Money | whats that? |
| 03:42.37 | Money | where is it |
| 03:42.42 | abrotman | unstable: dunno . that was a pretty good question |
| 03:42.43 | itguy | !info usb mouse |
| 03:42.48 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 03:42.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 03:42.54 | Money | i really want transparency |
| 03:42.57 | abrotman | stazo: have you checked the BTS ? |
| 03:42.57 | stazo | unstable is a stupid bot. |
| 03:43.03 | abrotman | Money: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 03:43.11 | abrotman | stazo: s/bot// :) |
| 03:43.14 | stazo | abrotman, what is BTS? |
| 03:43.20 | abrotman | !tell stazo about bts |
| 03:43.44 | simonrvn | this stupid client doesn't have /lastlog |
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| 03:43.48 | abrotman | stazo: if you're running testing/etch/unstable/sid .. should be your first stop |
| 03:43.51 | ecdemo | stazo: you don't have to be also stupid... do what the dpkg bot says and you might be seen as being a little smarter |
| 03:43.55 | yoo_OQP | !tell yoo about root=301 |
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| 03:44.23 | dererk | Hi there! |
| 03:44.24 | abrotman | yoo_OQP: try google |
| 03:44.44 | yoo_OQP | ok |
| 03:44.46 | ecdemo | yoo_OQP: also try /msg dpkg root=301 |
| 03:44.59 | abrotman | it's not there |
| 03:45.06 | ecdemo | oh... |
| 03:45.17 | itguy | yoo_OQP: http://www.google.com/linux |
| 03:45.28 | yoo_OQP | ok |
| 03:46.01 | Money | abrotman: ok |
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| 03:48.40 | Valehru | Hey guys |
| 03:48.46 | Valehru | anyone here alive? |
| 03:48.52 | abrotman | it's slow |
| 03:48.56 | ecdemo | nope, dead |
| 03:48.59 | Valehru | lol |
| 03:49.01 | Valehru | Right |
| 03:49.07 | stazo | abrotman, when i have a problem, i don't assume it is a bug first. it could be kernel config? |
| 03:49.08 | stazo | in this case? |
| 03:49.12 | stazo | ecdemo, another idiot. look at the context. doesn't mean 'anyone |
| 03:49.16 | stazo | is wrong at all instances. |
| 03:49.20 | stazo | i have already stated my problem clearly, before i ask 'antone'. |
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| 03:49.36 | Valehru | need some advice with an install if someone has a few moments |
| 03:49.39 | abrotman | stazo: it could be .. but it could also have been a bug reported to the BTS |
| 03:49.46 | abrotman | Valehru: just ask |
| 03:49.49 | Valehru | thx |
| 03:50.07 | slinn__ | how would i output only the first three lines of a file to STDOUT in bash? |
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| 03:50.09 | ecdemo | stazo: almost everyone who uses "anyone" also fails to post specific information about their problem in the same post. you're no exception |
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| 03:50.44 | ecdemo | man head |
| 03:50.50 | Valehru | k...basically installing debian sarge onto a EPOK 9NPA Ultra motherboard. It doesnt seem to be recognising the ethernet card on the board. Is there a generic one which might be supported which I could choose from the list? |
| 03:50.54 | abrotman | slinn__: head ? |
| 03:51.05 | stazo | abrotman, u think boot-up problem is a bug? eventhough the text screen is frozen, the system continues to boot until kde is up and running. |
| 03:51.14 | abrotman | Valehru: what kind of NIC is it |
| 03:51.14 | Valehru | I didnt want to be rude and just ask.... |
| 03:51.23 | abrotman | stazo: really ? .. that's even stranger :) |
| 03:51.27 | stazo | abrotman, how to access the bts? it is a website? |
| 03:51.34 | abrotman | stazo: yes |
| 03:51.49 | ecdemo | bugs.debian.org |
| 03:52.04 | ecdemo | to be specific and informative :) |
| 03:52.08 | Valehru | Had it written down...hang on a sec...have to consult the docs on the epox site |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | there are some tools in debian also |
| 03:52.09 | Valehru | brb |
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| 03:55.03 | itguy | abrotman: how can i install a dell usb mouse plz |
| 03:55.17 | ecdemo | plug it in |
| 03:55.17 | abrotman | modprobe mousedev |
| 03:55.19 | stazo | abrotman, to continue, the system can boot-up all the way to kde but when i doa ctrl-alt-f1, there is no command-line mode. the text screen just froze. |
| 03:55.20 | abrotman | modprobe usbhid |
| 03:55.38 | abrotman | stazo: what about f2 ? |
| 03:56.09 | Money | why doesn't gnome metting work |
| 03:56.41 | Money | never mind |
| 03:57.09 | stazo | abrotman, same frozen screen appears for f2. |
| 03:57.45 | abrotman | stazo: that does sound like a bug to me .. you could try emailing debian-kernel@lists.debian.org .. or just file a bug using reportbug |
| 03:57.47 | Valehru | just booting it into fedora to see what it recognises it as...don't trust the companies web site |
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| 04:00.34 | Valehru | nVidia Corporation CK804 Ethernet Controller rev a3 |
| 04:00.41 | prudhvi | I installed 2.6.14-k7 from backports.org to get my ATIIXP Sound Driver working. But, unfortunately it didnt work am i missing something? |
| 04:00.57 | Valehru | Fedora gets it out of the box....debian seems to miss it.. |
| 04:01.04 | Valehru | so is there a generic one I could use? |
| 04:01.53 | ecdemo | stazo: are you sure your hardware is all ok? |
| 04:01.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hey, has anyone had problems with installing the debian stable/testing package of ndiswrapper? After ndiswrapper -m, modprobe says it still cannot locate ndiswrapper! |
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| 04:02.42 | ecdemo | GenNMX|Thrae: custom kernel? |
| 04:02.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | ecdemo: No, stock debian sarge. |
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| 04:03.20 | itguy | please can anyone show me to to install and use a Dell USB mouse ..thanks |
| 04:03.30 | ecdemo | do you see the version of your kernel in /lib/modules? |
| 04:04.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | ecdemo: Yes, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:04.04 | ecdemo | itguy: thought we did that... abrotman showed you what modules to load |
| 04:04.11 | Valehru | Any ideas about that ethernet card with the default installation in debian? |
| 04:04.18 | ecdemo | GenNMX|Thrae: do you also see any others? |
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| 04:04.27 | itguy | ecdemo: i didn't see his reply |
| 04:04.54 | itguy | !info logbook |
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| 04:05.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | ecdemo: Yes, but I installed those when *trying* to install a custom kernel "the debian way" (I never suceeded). Right now I'm still running the stock kernel I just installed from stratch 5 hours ago. |
| 04:05.18 | ecdemo | <abrotman> modprobe mousedev / <abrotman> modprobe usbhid |
| 04:05.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | ecdemo: The problem happened before I tried compiling a new kernel so I could compile ndiswrapper from source. |
| 04:06.05 | ecdemo | GenNMX|Thrae: so you're saying there are more than one entries in /lib/moduiles? |
| 04:06.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | ecdemo: Yes, 2.4.27-3-686 and 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 04:06.41 | ecdemo | what does uname -r say? |
| 04:07.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | ecdemo: 2.4.27-2-386, but the ndiswrapper module for debian only comes in 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 04:07.25 | ecdemo | ohh |
| 04:07.30 | ecdemo | that's why it's not finding it |
| 04:07.46 | ecdemo | it's for a kernel you're not runnign |
| 04:08.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ugh, but ndiswrapper can run on 2.4.24 or later |
| 04:08.28 | ecdemo | probably so... |
| 04:08.39 | itguy | hahaha i just pluged the mouse and it worked fine |
| 04:08.47 | itguy | i didn't even do anything |
| 04:08.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Can I install a module designed for 2.6 from 2.4? |
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| 04:09.09 | ecdemo | itguy: that was what I had suggested... |
| 04:09.14 | ecdemo | "plut it in" |
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| 04:09.30 | Valehru | plug it in and then out |
| 04:09.33 | Valehru | perhaps? |
| 04:09.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | I should just start from stratch and tell the installer to use a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:09.43 | Valehru | and then plug it in again? |
| 04:09.44 | c_cinq | hello |
| 04:09.45 | ecdemo | you'd have to either build it or maybe try running the newer kernel |
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| 04:10.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | ecdemo: Is there an easier way with debian to upgrade the kernel? |
| 04:10.09 | ecdemo | the latter might be easier |
| 04:10.14 | c_cinq | I am getting this error in synaptic |
| 04:10.24 | itguy | i'll be lucky if the keyboark work too |
| 04:10.26 | ecdemo | just install the 2.6.8 precompiled image |
| 04:10.47 | ecdemo | itguy: I'm wagering you'll be lucky |
| 04:11.02 | ecdemo | plug that in too |
| 04:11.28 | Valehru | Does anyone not find it strange that Sarge does not detect a nvidia card on install |
| 04:11.29 | Valehru | ? |
| 04:11.48 | Valehru | Continuing on with the install without an ethernet card it seems |
| 04:11.54 | ecdemo | nvidia isn't exactly forthcoming about how to program their chips... |
| 04:11.55 | itguy | ecdemo: haha it did |
| 04:12.15 | ecdemo | see, all you had to do was follow my advice, then follow it again :) |
| 04:12.15 | c_cinq | "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libvisual0.2_0.2.0-4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libvisual.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libvisual0 |
| 04:12.19 | Valehru | Is there a reason that fedora got it straight away then? |
| 04:12.23 | itguy | ecdemo: now i should really try to setup the server.... |
| 04:12.33 | c_cinq | any ideas what is happenning |
| 04:12.46 | Valehru | and so did suse |
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| 04:13.14 | ecdemo | here's where you're going to start learning new stuff... |
| 04:13.20 | Valehru | lol |
| 04:13.56 | Valehru | I'd much prefer to have my basic system configured easily...and then customise it to how I want the basics then to run... |
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| 04:14.22 | ecdemo | hopefully that could be true for most people installing |
| 04:14.30 | Valehru | ya.. |
| 04:14.37 | Valehru | in a perfect world though |
| 04:14.45 | Valehru | on can only hope |
| 04:14.54 | Valehru | one even |
| 04:15.04 | ecdemo | newfangled doodads tend to be monkeywrenches |
| 04:15.27 | Valehru | This hardware is hardly new |
| 04:15.48 | joeyjones | how cna i tell if php was installed when i installed apache? |
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| 04:16.04 | unstable | joeyjones: dpkg -al|grep php |
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| 04:16.27 | ecdemo | ask yourself: "did I install php"... then read the answer... |
| 04:16.40 | joeyjones | lol |
| 04:16.41 | unstable | lol |
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| 04:16.52 | joeyjones | me stupid... |
| 04:17.00 | itguy | !info samba |
| 04:17.06 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.21c-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2990 kB, Installed size: 7208 kB |
| 04:17.28 | joeyjones | what do i out in for apt-get to get php? |
| 04:17.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | ecdemo: That did, now I feel stupid. |
| 04:17.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/did/did it/ |
| 04:17.37 | joeyjones | putting php mgives me nothing |
| 04:17.49 | Valehru | lol...perhaps you could use the phpinfo() function...place it in web folder and run it from there...if installed it would give you ur php information etc... |
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| 04:18.15 | ecdemo | not sure; I don't use php |
| 04:18.24 | ecdemo | of what package to install |
| 04:18.39 | Valehru | java/c++ all the way ere... |
| 04:18.46 | Valehru | such a geek |
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| 04:19.29 | joeyjones | no it isn't |
| 04:20.07 | ecdemo | GenNMX|Thrae: you could also have built the module... but then you might need kernel source, and on and on... sometimes you have to build your own kernel. sometimes you want to. but it's easier if you install prebuilt ones, and they work |
| 04:20.31 | wsjunior | guys, which packages should i install to get esound working? i mean, i can play songs files with xmms using esd but i'd like to use esd as gnome default and i can't see esd or alsa at multimedia system tab. |
| 04:20.40 | supadupa | hi where do adjust what my notebook does when i close the lid? |
| 04:21.07 | unstable | wsjunior: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 04:21.13 | ecdemo | install a bigger or smaller spring... |
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| 04:21.39 | ecdemo | if it's really big, closing the laptop will launch everything else to the left... |
| 04:21.44 | wsjunior | unstable, already installed. it works but i just can't select it to use with gnome.. any idea? |
| 04:22.14 | Valehru | hmm ... its actually called VITESSE VSC8201 LAN PHY |
| 04:22.17 | unstable | wsjunior: What do you mean _with gnome_? |
| 04:22.22 | unstable | I don't use gnome, so I'm not sure what you mean. |
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| 04:22.25 | doub | hi there |
| 04:22.28 | Valehru | strange that it comes up as nvidia |
| 04:22.41 | supadupa | when i close the lid debian crashes |
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| 04:23.59 | ecdemo | ahh, spring too big. |
| 04:24.04 | wsjunior | unstable, well.. for instance, at KDE u can select artsd as sound daemon.. and if u'd like u also can select esd or just alsa. there is something similar in gnome, but the alsa and esound options just doesnt appear to be selected |
| 04:24.14 | Valehru | seems to think that forcedeth would be helpfull |
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| 04:25.43 | unstable | !#gnome |
| 04:25.43 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:26.01 | wsjunior | already there.. got no response :/ |
| 04:26.18 | supadupa | anyone have any ideas why my notebook crashes when i close the lid??? |
| 04:27.09 | joeyjones | soc an us e packages from woody on sarge? |
| 04:27.20 | unstable | supadupa: Because acpid is screwed? |
| 04:27.22 | ecdemo | ? |
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| 04:27.45 | joeyjones | so can i use packages from woody on sarge? |
| 04:28.03 | prudhvi | hmm, strange i cant set DMA access to my harddisk. why ? |
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| 04:28.06 | ecdemo | probably no |
| 04:28.34 | Valehru | burp |
| 04:28.42 | supadupa | unstable: how can i fix it |
| 04:28.57 | joeyjones | also, does anyone know what mysql is in apt-get |
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| 04:29.22 | ecdemo | apt-get: what mysql is in you? |
| 04:29.54 | weasel00 | joeyjones : most recent version is 5.0 |
| 04:29.59 | joeyjones | k |
| 04:30.02 | ecdemo | it depends on what sources you have |
| 04:30.29 | Valehru | Joey....would you feel that it matters if you got version 5.0.1 or 5.0? |
| 04:30.35 | joeyjones | no |
| 04:30.38 | Valehru | well then |
| 04:30.41 | joeyjones | i already got it |
| 04:30.47 | ecdemo | plus you might think about using postgres (given it's got real/oldschool database features) |
| 04:30.54 | joeyjones | just need to figure out where it is... |
| 04:31.00 | Valehru | im using EDM at the moment :) |
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| 04:32.15 | prudhvi | cant set dma on my /dev/hda anyone ? |
| 04:32.33 | ecdemo | maybe it doesn't do dma |
| 04:32.38 | ecdemo | find out why |
| 04:32.56 | prudhvi | ecdemo: i just bought a new Laptop. but seems that there is no DMA ? |
| 04:33.06 | ecdemo | dunno |
| 04:33.08 | prudhvi | does that happen to newer Drivers ? |
| 04:33.14 | ecdemo | they want parts to be cheap |
| 04:33.23 | ecdemo | so maybe it doesn't have dma capability |
| 04:33.30 | ecdemo | you'll have to find out |
| 04:33.39 | prudhvi | ecdemo: ok |
| 04:33.46 | zinx | it probably has dma... |
| 04:33.52 | prudhvi | zinx: |
| 04:34.04 | zinx | you need support for your specific IDE chipset in the kernel, or as a loaded module |
| 04:34.13 | zinx | if you don't have it... you get no DMA. |
| 04:34.22 | ecdemo | maybe you can't set dma because you have vols from the disk mounted,.... therefore disk is busy |
| 04:34.31 | zinx | ecdemo: no. |
| 04:35.02 | prudhvi | zinx: how do i select a appropriate IDE? i mean how can i find it out |
| 04:35.19 | ecdemo | maybe lspci will help you |
| 04:35.28 | zinx | prudhvi: lspci | grep IDE will tell you what IDE chipset you have |
| 04:35.40 | g8se | I'm backporting firebird2 for work. It's got a debian/control.in file, with @arches@ which obviously is used to build debian/control. I've googled, but not found the tool that does that |
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| 04:35.46 | g8se | Anyone know how it's done? |
| 04:35.57 | zinx | prudhvi: as for actually getting the driver, you'd likely have to upgrade your kernel, since debian typically includes all of the appropriate stuff and auto-loads it, if support exists |
| 04:36.03 | Valehru | hmm...running AMD64...Which kernel should I go for? 2.6-amd64-generic?, 2.6-amd64-k8?, 2.6-amd64-k8-smp? |
| 04:36.14 | ecdemo | g8se: maybe m4 |
| 04:36.25 | zinx | Valehru: are you running an smp amd64 box? |
| 04:36.37 | Valehru | no..but of course not... |
| 04:36.42 | pipeline | Valehru: The generic one would be for Intel amd64 machines. |
| 04:36.52 | pipeline | Valehru: If you have an AMD-brand version, you want the k8 or k8-smp :P |
| 04:36.56 | zinx | Valehru: then of course you should go for the 2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 04:36.57 | Valehru | ok.. |
| 04:37.01 | Valehru | thx |
| 04:37.03 | Valehru | lol |
| 04:37.22 | prudhvi | zinx: the IDE module that my Chipset requires is loaded. But cant set dma ? |
| 04:37.25 | zinx | pipeline: i'd expect the intel ones to be emt64 or something |
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| 04:37.42 | g8se | sorry all, just found a sed rule in the debian/rules file that does it, called from the clean-patched target. |
| 04:37.45 | zinx | prudhvi: maybe the device doesn't support DMA? :D |
| 04:37.48 | pipeline | zinx: The architecture is still amd64. |
| 04:37.56 | zinx | pipeline: nah, it's different |
| 04:37.58 | pipeline | zinx: That's its name as far as debian is concerned. |
| 04:38.00 | zinx | pipeline: on the kernel level |
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| 04:38.21 | Valehru | intel AMD64? |
| 04:38.23 | zinx | pipeline: I will not dispute that debian is silly about some things :D |
| 04:38.25 | pipeline | zinx: And I think that's why there's a "generic" and a "k8" :P |
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| 04:38.27 | Valehru | Thats just confusing... |
| 04:38.30 | prudhvi | zinx: ok, my be i have to stick to my PC. |
| 04:38.34 | pipeline | Valehru: Heh, is it more confusing than "AMD ia32" ? |
| 04:38.40 | Valehru | no.. |
| 04:38.42 | Valehru | same thing |
| 04:38.48 | Valehru | lol |
| 04:38.50 | itguy | What is the diffrent between sarge and woody? |
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| 04:38.53 | ecdemo | are the two archs combined? |
| 04:38.56 | pipeline | itguy: Woody is obsolete. |
| 04:38.59 | zinx | prudhvi: More likely, that driver doesn't support your IDE chipset |
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| 04:39.00 | pipeline | itguy: Use sarge. |
| 04:39.03 | ecdemo | sarge has stripes |
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| 04:39.26 | zinx | prudhvi: if you'd give the error it's giving you, maybe it's something else, but i kinda doubt it |
| 04:39.29 | ecdemo | woody has cowboy hat |
| 04:39.41 | itguy | pipeline: english please? what do u mean by obsolete. :) |
| 04:40.00 | pipeline | itguy: no longer in common use. |
| 04:40.01 | zinx | itguy: obsolete is english for don't use it |
| 04:40.02 | pipeline | itguy: Use sarge. |
| 04:40.09 | zinx | itguy: :D |
| 04:40.10 | Valehru | not true.... |
| 04:40.17 | itguy | lol |
| 04:40.18 | Valehru | some people still use obsolete software |
| 04:40.26 | Valehru | and it does a great job |
| 04:40.35 | zinx | Valehru: there are always people who don't follow instructions |
| 04:40.36 | ecdemo | just because it's not new doesn't mean it doesn't work |
| 04:40.43 | Valehru | just cause its old doesnt mean it doesnt work |
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| 04:40.45 | Valehru | exactly |
| 04:40.46 | itguy | well in debian site they asking to do and upgrade to woody |
| 04:40.48 | Valehru | lol |
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| 04:40.59 | prudhvi | zinx: can i pm you the Error messages? |
| 04:41.00 | zinx | itguy: sarge is the current stable release |
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| 04:41.04 | zinx | itguy: woody is no longer maintained |
| 04:41.12 | Valehru | I still see people using basic programs where I used to work... |
| 04:41.21 | ecdemo | right, no more bugs fixed in woody |
| 04:41.23 | pipeline | Valehru: Well, actually, that IS pretty much what it means. |
| 04:41.28 | Valehru | and it still does the job for them.. |
| 04:41.32 | pipeline | Valehru: woody is old, and there's no guarantee whatsoever that it will work. |
| 04:41.33 | zinx | itguy: or at least, i think it's no longer maintained.. those security.debian.org nutters may be nuttier than i think, though |
| 04:41.40 | pipeline | Valehru: Uh, qbasic is still supported. |
| 04:41.40 | Valehru | I wasnt talking about woody |
| 04:41.51 | Valehru | I was talking about software in general |
| 04:41.54 | pipeline | Valehru: And there are other basic vendors. |
| 04:41.54 | ecdemo | gawd, basic?? they're torturing themselves... |
| 04:41.59 | zinx | prudhvi: if it's < 10 lines (really, it should be 1) |
| 04:42.01 | itguy | like when i check on my sources.list i have sarge |
| 04:42.03 | Valehru | ya.. |
| 04:42.05 | valdyn | zinx: they are |
| 04:42.06 | Valehru | lol |
| 04:42.09 | zinx | prudhvi: But i won't make you figure out which one it is :D |
| 04:42.14 | Valehru | haha |
| 04:42.24 | pipeline | ecdemo: Heh, not really. BASIC had a niche in instrument control etc |
| 04:42.31 | Valehru | it still does |
| 04:42.35 | ecdemo | itguy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:42.44 | Valehru | very logical language |
| 04:42.47 | ecdemo | so does forth, and the latter is MUCH more effective |
| 04:42.56 | Valehru | but then again so are most languages |
| 04:42.56 | pipeline | ecdemo: Forth, not so much. |
| 04:42.58 | Valehru | lol |
| 04:42.58 | ecdemo | embedded systems |
| 04:43.01 | pipeline | ecdemo: Forth was popular for embedded use. |
| 04:43.01 | Valehru | ya |
| 04:43.04 | prudhvi | zinx: no probs, here i go |
| 04:43.20 | ecdemo | like boot roms |
| 04:43.22 | Valehru | so was/is vhdl |
| 04:43.25 | pipeline | ecdemo: Instrument control is a weird field. The current major players are VB, Labview, and weird proprietary shit. Go f'in figure. |
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| 04:43.40 | itguy | so i should be in a good shape if i apt-get update |
| 04:43.40 | Valehru | vb for instrument control |
| 04:43.41 | Valehru | ? |
| 04:43.44 | Valehru | go figure...lol |
| 04:43.48 | ecdemo | yeah, that's kinda weird |
| 04:43.51 | Valehru | very |
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| 04:43.55 | itguy | ecdemo: my version is the 3.1 |
| 04:44.00 | Valehru | propriety shit...ya true |
| 04:44.56 | evaded | Guys, i love you :-) going to sleep and dream about you're all here :-) |
| 04:45.07 | Valehru | l8r |
| 04:45.08 | ecdemo | wndrfl |
| 04:45.25 | ecdemo | what an image I have now... |
| 04:45.27 | erudified | I don't really understand the write mask option. Let's say I set the write mask to home directories to '0755', does that mean when I create a new file or directory that's what it will be chmod'd to by default? |
| 04:45.32 | Valehru | I should be in work...but Im sick...so im going to play with linux instead.. |
| 04:45.34 | Valehru | :) |
| 04:45.36 | erudified | For samba configuration |
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| 04:46.15 | ecdemo | itguy: that's sarge |
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| 04:46.33 | floundering | Hi, I have come from a windows background where I used Ztreewin as my interface to the system , and am still struggling a lot on debian after more than a year. |
| 04:46.41 | itguy | ecdemo: cool |
| 04:47.29 | wsjunior | guys. i've installed alsa and esound, both working. i just can't see them at gnome multimedia system selector. anybody here could help me? i've already asked at gnome channel but got no response, maybe someone here using gnome could help me?! |
| 04:48.10 | kerneld | wsjunior: Hmmm gstreamer-<something> |
| 04:48.47 | kerneld | you want to specify the default source/sync and make sure you have the alsa libs too |
| 04:49.52 | kerneld | I am not sure if you need esd anymore if you are using alsa, Mine at leasts seems to allow multiple apps to be writing to the pcm and they get mixed. Not certain on the specifics though |
| 04:50.21 | ecdemo | can gnome or kde or x in general (if applicable) use jack as audio connectors |
| 04:50.36 | itguy | ecdemo: since i have a lot to read , any sugestion on a software that i can run in windows to read for me |
| 04:51.02 | ecdemo | get you a copy of eyeq |
| 04:51.04 | floundering | I get bogged down trying to do routine tasks such as renaming files. I have never found anything with Ztreewins functionality or user freindliness. What should be a minutes work ends up taking days or not getting done at all. |
| 04:51.08 | wsjunior | kerneld, gstreamer0.8-esd ? already installed :/ |
| 04:51.12 | ecdemo | learn to sped rid |
| 04:51.37 | kerneld | wsjunior: Try gstreamer0.8-alsa ? and dispense with esd? |
| 04:51.47 | ecdemo | then see if there's an oreilly book called using samba |
| 04:51.54 | kerneld | wsjunior: Also, your user is in the audio group right? Tyrp: groups |
| 04:51.57 | itguy | ecdemo: what is that ? |
| 04:52.02 | wmhtet | can I run ssh server without touching the router (for port forwarding) ? |
| 04:52.06 | Valehru | floundering: could you not just come up with a script to rename files? |
| 04:52.07 | ecdemo | buy it and see :) |
| 04:52.29 | wsjunior | kerneld, esound is working. i can listen sound files with xmms using esd but i just can't see it at gnome multimedia system selector :( |
| 04:52.29 | itguy | learn to speed rid ???? |
| 04:52.47 | Valehru | rid = read i presume |
| 04:52.51 | Valehru | he was speed writing |
| 04:52.51 | ecdemo | it seems to work :) |
| 04:52.57 | wsjunior | kerneld, yes, i am in audio group |
| 04:53.03 | Valehru | he wz spd wrtng |
| 04:53.04 | kerneld | Whats gstreamer-properties show you? |
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| 04:54.31 | grapefruit | hey debian uses binaries with apt-get right? |
| 04:54.35 | wsjunior | kerneld, an error window with one message saying that the register isn't present or it's corrupted. lol. |
| 04:54.57 | kerneld | grapefruit: Yep, unless you use: apt-get source and have deb-src entries in your sources.list |
| 04:55.17 | grapefruit | hmm |
| 04:55.32 | grapefruit | i wanna switch to debian from gentoo but i dunno =P |
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| 04:55.56 | kerneld | wsjunior: Heh. Try killall esd, then aoss play somewav.wav |
| 04:56.01 | ecdemo | yes, binaries w/apt-get. |
| 04:56.12 | ecdemo | but apt-get can also get sources |
| 04:56.27 | kerneld | then in another window while still plaing, try play a different file, see if they mix, if thats all good, forget about esd |
| 04:56.54 | ecdemo | as far as whether you should switch to debian, that's all you :P |
| 04:57.16 | grapefruit | (that's the part where you give me reasons to switch) =) |
| 04:57.23 | ecdemo | nononononoNO |
| 04:57.26 | ecdemo | it's NOT |
| 04:57.38 | ecdemo | !why debian |
| 04:57.38 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 04:57.44 | grapefruit | =) |
| 04:57.50 | kerneld | grapefruit: If there is some app you want to change hows its compiled, its not tooo much of a pain. apt-get source, look in the debian/rules, then dpkg-buildpackage and a few bits in between |
| 04:57.58 | ecdemo | you decide for debian if you wanna. |
| 04:58.22 | ecdemo | awl ay kin sey as ay leik at |
| 04:58.27 | grapefruit | im sick of having to compile everything |
| 04:58.54 | ecdemo | welp, then you still have a wide range of choices |
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| 04:59.48 | ecdemo | one thing I can say about debian, is the tool chain is very stable most of the time |
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| 05:00.44 | wsjunior | kerneld, odd. dpkg -l | grep gstreamer shows gstreamer0.8 and 0.10 installed. is it normal? |
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| 05:01.31 | kerneld | wsjunior: Tou might want to isntall deborphan the purge some old stuff |
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| 05:01.42 | kerneld | try apt-get remove gstreamer0.8 |
| 05:01.53 | kerneld | or does it show state as rc ? |
| 05:02.07 | wsjunior | i'll try |
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| 05:03.07 | kerneld | wsjunior: Did the alsa test work? |
| 05:03.37 | kerneld | If you have apps that misbehave, eg, they want oss interface, aoss works fine. |
| 05:03.40 | wsjunior | kerneld, yes! |
| 05:04.03 | wsjunior | kerneld, but still can't see alsa there. |
| 05:04.30 | wsjunior | kerneld, when i ask to remove gstreamer0.8 it says that will remove gstreamer0.10 too.. |
| 05:04.51 | wsjunior | kerneld, and a lot of related packages.. damn :( |
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| 05:05.20 | kerneld | odd |
| 05:05.26 | wsjunior | kerneld, is there any way to remove just 0.8? |
| 05:05.29 | kerneld | sed/etch/sarge ? |
| 05:05.34 | kerneld | err sid |
| 05:05.35 | wsjunior | etch |
| 05:05.39 | wsjunior | testing |
| 05:06.07 | kerneld | I have 0.8 and 0.10 too |
| 05:06.39 | wsjunior | i've selected a testing rep and made a dist-upgrade.. is it wrong? |
| 05:07.03 | erudified | wsjunior, use pastebin.com to show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:07.09 | Tripnotik | hello |
| 05:07.13 | wsjunior | erudified, ok |
| 05:07.20 | erudified | what's up Tripnotik |
| 05:07.32 | kerneld | wsjunior: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7u54Jf76.txt |
| 05:08.02 | wsjunior | erudified, http://pastebin.com/630261 |
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| 05:08.32 | Tripnotik | erudified, well, I'm installing a woody using debootstrap on a Xen enabled FC5 |
| 05:08.48 | Tripnotik | erudified, so far everything seems fine |
| 05:08.52 | Langly | You have never had a woody, ADMIT IT |
| 05:09.52 | erudified | wsjunior I have to confess that I'm not on a debian box atm |
| 05:09.56 | wsjunior | kerneld, gstreamer-properties tells me to run gst-register but i get command not found.. |
| 05:10.11 | kerneld | Okay, just a sec |
| 05:10.15 | wsjunior | k |
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| 05:10.43 | kerneld | libgstreamer0.8-0: /usr/bin/gst-register-0.8 |
| 05:11.06 | erudified | try 'deb ftp://ftp.br.debian.org debian/ testing main' - did you just do cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed 's/stable/testing/' > /etc/apt/sources.list (I.E. did those lines work before?) |
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| 05:11.42 | kerneld | gnome-media etc on my box is depending on gstreamer0.8 stuff not 0.10 stuff |
| 05:12.03 | kerneld | haven't synce in a week or so |
| 05:12.23 | wsjunior | erudified, ya i just did sed -i s/stable/testing/g |
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| 05:12.54 | wsjunior | erudified, why? |
| 05:13.45 | kerneld | Tripnotik: I had a bo hamm woody sarge etch |
| 05:14.12 | Tripnotik | kerneld, ??? |
| 05:14.15 | kerneld | I am sure I missed some |
| 05:14.41 | wsjunior | erudified, ? |
| 05:14.51 | kerneld | Oop, meant to be Langly |
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| 05:15.49 | Spudchat | hi, how can i change a users group? |
| 05:16.14 | wsjunior | chgrp? |
| 05:16.22 | Spudchat | doh |
| 05:16.32 | Spudchat | always that one simple command i overlook eheh thanks |
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| 05:16.41 | floundering | Valehru: I am sure most serious *nix users have already done this thousands of times. It just never gets incorporated into MC. Larry walls perl "rename" script looks most usefull but is still very limited. I have failed to get it to run usefully from MC's menu. I could write a program to do it in lisp, but that's not going to help me become profficient on Linux as I would be protected from the 'standard' interfaces. Their are other packages such as mr |
| 05:16.42 | floundering | ename, and one which opens up an editor. These could be adequate for a 20meg hd. but not 200g. |
| 05:16.58 | grapefruit | what's the best way to go through the debian repositories |
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| 05:18.01 | cahoot | Spudchat: vigr |
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| 05:18.39 | floundering | Valehru:I think I understand how some people can retreat into emacs now :( |
| 05:18.40 | SpAnIaRd | hello...i'm having trouble with BIND and DNS |
| 05:18.44 | grapefruit | what's the best way to go through the debian repositories |
| 05:18.50 | Spudchat | yeah, i dont think chgrp was what i was looking for, but vigr is...thanks :) |
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| 05:19.25 | grapefruit | i want to browse through the packages available |
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| 05:19.50 | SpAnIaRd | the problem is that I can do queries for an external on the server internally but can not do queries externally. i am able to do zone transfers however |
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| 05:20.01 | SpAnIaRd | for an external domain* |
| 05:20.09 | joeyjones | how do i stop mysql in debian? |
| 05:21.00 | SpAnIaRd | "/etc/init.d/mysql stop" or something? |
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| 05:22.09 | Tripnotik | dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument : do you know how to fix that ??? |
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| 05:24.42 | grapefruit | what's the best way to browse through all of the available packages |
| 05:24.51 | SpAnIaRd | aptitude |
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| 05:25.12 | nadjyla | hello |
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| 05:25.55 | SpAnIaRd | anyone have any ideas about my DNS problem? |
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| 05:26.49 | grapefruit | SpAnIaRd: i need something web based, i dont have debian installed atm |
| 05:27.13 | jm_ | pdo then |
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| 05:29.02 | SpAnIaRd | hmm |
| 05:30.32 | Tripnotik | SpAnIaRd, are you using Bind through Mysql ? |
| 05:31.27 | Tripnotik | SpAnIaRd, sorry, wrong question, I got confused :) |
| 05:32.59 | SpAnIaRd | thats okay |
| 05:33.16 | SpAnIaRd | im starting to think it is my router making it stuff up |
| 05:33.29 | SpAnIaRd | everything is set up perfectly...it just doesn't work |
| 05:33.52 | SpAnIaRd | refuses to accept queries from the outside |
| 05:34.03 | SpAnIaRd | for that domain |
| 05:34.36 | SpAnIaRd | i've been in correspondence with people on experts exchange and no one has been able to figure it out yet |
| 05:34.52 | SpAnIaRd | which is leading me to believe that it is my router doing someting funny... |
| 05:35.01 | floundering | Can anyone tell me how to rename several thousand files, in many diferent directories and subdirectories, using dozens of regex search and repaces per file, and adding a unique alpha or numeric suffix before the final .extension in a minute or so?? Please |
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| 05:35.15 | Stevie | SpAnIaRd: what's going on? |
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| 05:36.03 | Tripnotik | floundering, perl ? |
| 05:36.24 | SpAnIaRd | Stevie: I'm running a bing server. it can accept queries for an internet domain, internally...but when people on the outside try to query it timesout |
| 05:36.29 | SpAnIaRd | bind* |
| 05:37.31 | SpAnIaRd | Stevie: so far i've checked portforwarding, firewalls, zone checks, iptables, and accept queries on all devices etc... |
| 05:37.40 | Tripnotik | SpAnIaRd, you wouldn't have any acl rules that could prevent that right ? |
| 05:38.09 | smacnay | how does one set a environenmental variable? set $VARIABLE= ? |
| 05:38.12 | SpAnIaRd | Stevie: oh yes...i forgot to add that people can do an SOA and list/transfer of the domain externally but when they query A records it goes NUP! |
| 05:38.35 | floundering | If I have to program It myself I would use lisp, But it would be easier and faster just to transfer the files to a windows machine and use a pretty well debugged ztreewin to do the job. :( |
| 05:38.36 | Stevie | SpAnIaRd: may I /msg you? |
| 05:38.48 | SpAnIaRd | Stevie: yep |
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| 05:39.10 | sandman | Is a hub, repeater, or modem capable of full-duplex communicaion |
| 05:39.58 | SpAnIaRd | hub can't |
| 05:40.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:40.08 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 05:40.24 | sandman | And secondly, if a network has a switch, and is configured for full-duplex, will collisions never occur? |
| 05:40.39 | sandman | Or will it default back to half-duplex or osmething if excessive collisions occur? Or would that make no sense.. |
| 05:40.41 | tarzeau | k8 linux kernel option worked, btw |
| 05:41.05 | SpAnIaRd | collisions may occur but not likely...because each port has it's own thingi...i forgot the name |
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| 05:42.24 | SpAnIaRd | repeaters can operate in full-duplex mode |
| 05:42.36 | weasel_00 | . |
| 05:42.44 | Stevie | hey SpAnIaRd |
| 05:42.48 | Stevie | did you get my message? |
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| 05:42.56 | SpAnIaRd | yep i replied |
| 05:43.05 | Stevie | i didn't get your reply. register yer nick (stupid freenode) |
| 05:43.44 | rabies | who knows |
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| 05:44.08 | SpAnIaRd | Stevie: damn...my nickname is all-ready registered |
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| 05:44.23 | rabies | BoReDoM? |
| 05:44.33 | Tripnotik | Sorry, I'll ask again, but what can you do when you get this msg from dpkg ? can't mmap package info file /var/lib/dpkg/available' |
| 05:44.50 | rabies | Tripnotik: i dont know |
| 05:44.54 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 05:44.55 | dpkg | <Slayer_> i am at a screen with tyler@tyler-mac:~$ <Slayer_> i just rebooted <Slayer_> i need to get linux to actually come up |
| 05:45.03 | Stevie | ah here we go |
| 05:45.06 | Stevie | SpAnIaRd: try msging me back now |
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| 05:47.22 | floundering | Tripnotik: sorry should have included your nick in the reply --- If I have to program It myself I would use lisp, But it would be easier and faster just to transfer the files to a windows machine and use a pretty well debugged ztreewin to do the job. :( |
| 05:48.43 | Tripnotik | floundering, ... I really don't know then ... |
| 05:49.59 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:52.25 | andre_ | when i try to boot winxp from lilo, it says NTLDR is missing |
| 05:52.34 | andre_ | someone know how to fix that? |
| 05:53.27 | rabies | andre_: reinstall windows |
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| 05:55.27 | Tripnotik | andre_, did you configure it yourself |
| 05:55.35 | Tripnotik | andre_, or through an installer |
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| 05:56.04 | andre_ | i've installed windows before, and ubuntu after |
| 05:56.05 | cricket_ | how do i change window managers |
| 05:56.40 | andre_ | rabies, i would like to just reinstall windows boot sector, without reinstalling all the system =) |
| 05:56.46 | andre_ | would make my life happier |
| 05:56.59 | rabies | cant reinstall ntdir |
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| 05:59.02 | Tripnotik | andre_, are you sure that in your lilo.conf the lines for windows partitions are for ex : other=/dev/hda1 |
| 05:59.19 | Tripnotik | andre_, then label=windoze |
| 05:59.34 | andre_ | Tripnotik, yes, the lilo.conf seems fine |
| 06:00.13 | Tripnotik | andre_, and when you run "lilo" qs root, it works fine too ? |
| 06:00.14 | andre_ | other=/dev/hda1 |
| 06:00.14 | andre_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.23 | andre_ | Tripnotik, yes |
| 06:01.17 | Tripnotik | can you do an fdisk -l and give the output of that pls ? |
| 06:01.38 | andre_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/K4yB3c25.html |
| 06:02.12 | andre_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/FvbDg491.html |
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| 06:02.51 | andre_ | the boot flag should be active for hda1? |
| 06:02.53 | wsjunior | kerneld, suddenly worked :D thanks. dunno what made it work but i can see at least ESD there. |
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| 06:05.54 | andre_ | Tripnotik, the boot flag should be active for hda1(winxp)? |
| 06:06.12 | Tripnotik | andre_, I used to have it active, yes |
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| 06:06.21 | andre_ | hm... i'll try that |
| 06:06.25 | Tripnotik | andre_, but now I use only grub |
| 06:07.07 | andre_ | Tripnotik, i'll try with hda1 set with boot flag |
| 06:07.14 | andre_ | thanks for the help =) |
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| 06:09.18 | concept10 | where would this command extract to? bzcat base.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf - the current directory? |
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| 06:10.03 | Stevie | concept10: in Debian, you can do tar jxvf file.tar.bz2 |
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| 06:10.08 | Tripnotik | ok, for my var/lib/dpkg/available I need to get a new version of this file |
| 06:10.13 | andre | didn't work |
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| 06:10.42 | Tripnotik | andre, I think you'll have to reinstall windows then ... |
| 06:10.47 | jm_ | !tell Tripnotik about available |
| 06:11.00 | kreg | believe me, i thought about this, and you are wrong |
| 06:11.16 | concept10 | Stevie, this is the problem, im running off of a Live cd, and I downloaded a debian base system and now I need to extract it onto the harddrive |
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| 06:12.10 | streuner | What could that be, if the box goes down (power-supply) and after a while it works for 1-2 minutes again (hardware)= |
| 06:12.13 | streuner | ? |
| 06:12.44 | Tripnotik | jm_, thanks, but dselect tells me quote "dselect: no access method is selected/configured" |
| 06:13.18 | streuner | the mobo itself? |
| 06:13.20 | concept10 | a failing power supply, or motherboord |
| 06:13.23 | nayyares | is there any open source screencasting with audio recording feature software? |
| 06:13.44 | concept10 | nayyares, yes |
| 06:13.52 | nayyares | concept10, ? |
| 06:14.06 | concept10 | nayyares, lookup py2vnc or something like that |
| 06:14.29 | concept10 | pyvnc2swf-0.8.2 |
| 06:14.39 | concept10 | !info pyvnc2swf |
| 06:14.50 | jm_ | Tripnotik: so configure it |
| 06:14.57 | Tripnotik | can anybody send me there /var/lib/dpkg/available on a woody please ? |
| 06:15.24 | Tripnotik | jm_ sorry, didn't see your message |
| 06:15.33 | Tripnotik | jm_ hmm |
| 06:15.45 | nayyares | concept10, have you used it? |
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| 06:16.07 | tarzeau | woody? |
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| 06:16.19 | concept10 | nayyares, briefly |
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| 06:17.01 | concept10 | nayyares, You record the screencast and then go back and make an audio of what you want and combine them |
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| 06:18.39 | xerophyte | how secure is the webmin. . my clients need a web-based stuff so wondering how secure is the webmin is |
| 06:18.44 | BlackJudas | What packages/info should I be looking at for creating a VPN tunnel? |
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| 06:21.06 | nayyares | concept10, i want to record a CBT, it record audio and video seprately, would it be a bit confusing, like the mixing process. |
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| 06:22.10 | concept10 | nayyares, its not that confusing, i think you just use a command to do it, but check the site |
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| 06:24.08 | mrkris | oh hi |
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| 06:25.14 | mrkris | configured exim, setup tls w/ auth, clamd, etc. it takes forever for an email i send to be sent then copied to sent folder. no errors or anything. anyone experience this? |
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| 06:26.26 | sebzy | >.> |
| 06:26.46 | sebzy | hello |
| 06:27.46 | mrkris | hi |
| 06:28.00 | wsjunior | which rep should i add to install mplayer-k7? |
| 06:28.03 | sebzy | sorry if my typing is slow im switching betwene 2 keybords |
| 06:28.47 | mrkris | oic |
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| 06:29.03 | sebzy | dont have a fully working one yet |
| 06:29.13 | mrkris | ahh |
| 06:30.05 | mrkris | haha |
| 06:30.43 | debboy | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox i dont understand, why isn't firefox 1.5 in testing yet ?? |
| 06:30.56 | sebzy | so im useing the boken one and a doggie destop one |
| 06:31.16 | wsjunior | which rep should i add to install mplayer-k7? |
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| 06:31.32 | wireddd | debboy, its pretty buggy |
| 06:31.36 | Tripnotik | jm_, I can't configure it, it gives me an error |
| 06:31.47 | Tripnotik | I shall d/l it from somewhere |
| 06:32.14 | debboy | wireddd, its been in unstable for 15 days... its ready to go? |
| 06:32.14 | sebzy | `brb |
| 06:32.28 | debboy | wireddd, you talking from experience, or guessing? |
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| 06:34.39 | streuner | wsjunior: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 06:35.44 | streuner | apt, test |
| 06:35.45 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 06:36.06 | jm_ | Tripnotik: configure what? |
| 06:36.42 | unstable | !apt |
| 06:36.42 | dpkg | it has been said that apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
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| 06:36.46 | Tripnotik | jm_, dselect gives me an error when trying to configure it |
| 06:37.14 | joeyjones | how do i recompile php so i mave mysql support? |
| 06:37.16 | wireddd | debboy, no I tried it in testing this morning, and it was crashing alot |
| 06:37.18 | joeyjones | *have |
| 06:37.19 | Tripnotik | jm_, I'm using debootstrap to install a debian on one of my partitions |
| 06:37.25 | joeyjones | or so i jsut need to change some settings? |
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| 06:37.53 | streuner | ./configure --help |
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| 06:38.12 | wsjunior | streuner, thank u |
| 06:38.24 | debboy | wireddd, hmm ok thanks |
| 06:39.05 | wireddd | debboy, it would work fine and then for no reason, 100% cpu and unresponsive |
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| 06:39.52 | joeyjones | streuner: any idea how to set php4 to having mysql support? |
| 06:39.58 | debboy | i've been waiting for firefox 1.5 and thunderbird 1.5 for ages. its been out for a long time now ... so long, thunderbird 2.0 is coming out soon or its already out |
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| 06:40.29 | wireddd | debboy, yeah firefox seems to be in need of a serious feature lock imo |
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| 06:40.58 | jrf | joeyjones: http://systhread.net/texts/200504lamp1.php |
| 06:41.13 | unstable | !tell debboy about backports |
| 06:41.23 | unstable | debboy: 1.5 firefox/thunderbird has been in unstable for a long time |
| 06:41.38 | Storkme | is it a good idea to update kernel's manually? |
| 06:41.54 | debboy | unstable, thanks, but i'm using testing, not stable. i was using stable so i know about backports :) |
| 06:41.57 | jm_ | Tripnotik: what does it say? and why do you need to use dselect? |
| 06:42.13 | yinli | any one can help me on ssh tunnel use? |
| 06:42.17 | unstable | debboy: What version of debian are you using? |
| 06:42.28 | Tripnotik | jm_, because apparently dselect can rebuild the available file |
| 06:42.34 | debboy | unstable, testing |
| 06:42.38 | yinli | I have setup ssh tunel correctly and it seems to work well |
| 06:43.15 | yinli | however, when I try to use CVS on the setup channel, it fails with report "open channel fail: administratively prohibited" |
| 06:43.19 | Tripnotik | jm_, during the installation with debootstrap I get an error from dpkg because the available file is empty |
| 06:43.19 | mrkris | anyone here use exim + tls + auth ? |
| 06:43.22 | yinli | what's the matter with it? |
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| 06:43.35 | unix_infidel | is it possible to ssh into a specific box on your network by specifing it directly as opposed to just port fowarding the router to your box that does sshd? |
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| 06:43.50 | wsjunior | trying to install mozilla-mplayer from debian rep it requests mplayer-k7 but it isn't at marillat rep. where could it be? |
| 06:43.52 | joeyjones | jrf: so i can't enable it w/o recompiling? |
| 06:43.57 | wsjunior | streuner, ? |
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| 06:44.12 | jrf | not that I know of, unless it is already build in |
| 06:44.21 | wireddd | unix_infidel, well if you are inside the router, or if you setup a vpn tunnel |
| 06:44.43 | joeyjones | i think it's built into php4, but not enabled |
| 06:44.43 | streuner | wsjunior: any results via 'apt-cache search mplayer'? |
| 06:44.54 | unix_infidel | wireddd: i suppose i could ssh it into the second client subnet i have. |
| 06:44.58 | kerneld | wsjunior: making progress? |
| 06:45.01 | yinli | unix_infidel: I am sorry that I am not very clear what you mean, could you please explain it more detailed? |
| 06:45.21 | Storkme | how can i get the kernel 2.6.16-1-k7-smp? |
| 06:45.22 | unix_infidel | yinli: i mean i want to ssh into a SPECIFIC box on the network by specifying the IP address directly. |
| 06:45.29 | unix_infidel | as opposed to just specfying the external IP of the network. |
| 06:45.35 | joeyjones | jrf: i think it's built into php4, but not enabled |
| 06:45.37 | wireddd | unix_infidel, what about sshing into a computer behind the router and then sshing from that computer to the other computer? |
| 06:45.40 | kerneld | wsjunior: ii mozilla-mplayer 3.21-1 MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla |
| 06:45.40 | unix_infidel | and then using my home router to port forward to the box that's doing shhd. |
| 06:45.42 | kerneld | ii mplayer 1.0-pre7-0.3 The Movie Player |
| 06:45.48 | streuner | Storkme: dpkg -l libc6 and tell us the first line |
| 06:45.53 | unix_infidel | wireddd: you serious? |
| 06:46.00 | yinli | I have managed to setup ssh channel and use it in the same network (just on a different Linux distro: SuSE) |
| 06:46.12 | wireddd | unix_infidel, yeah |
| 06:46.21 | jrf | joeyjones: Im not sure if it has to be mentioned in the conf file, but otherwise it "should just work" |
| 06:46.22 | wsjunior | streuner, there are some mplayer packages but there's no mplayer-k7. |
| 06:46.25 | jm_ | Tripnotik: place Packages file there |
| 06:46.28 | Storkme | streuner, "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold" |
| 06:46.37 | yinli | well, you know, I use is to bypass company's firewall to access OpenOffice CVS ;-) |
| 06:46.43 | unix_infidel | lol, ssh to the server box, then ssh back out from within the server connected to the external IP to the internal 'CLIENTS" running sshd. |
| 06:46.51 | Tripnotik | jm_, I'll try that thanks |
| 06:46.51 | streuner | Storkme: well :-) we need the line with the version about. |
| 06:47.13 | wsjunior | kerneld, sup guy! that trick for esound worked, thanks. |
| 06:47.27 | yinli | unix_infidel: sorry, i am really confused :-[ |
| 06:47.28 | streuner | wsjunior: try xine-ui or vlc instead |
| 06:47.30 | wsjunior | kerneld, how to install this mplayer-k7, any idea? |
| 06:47.46 | wsjunior | streuner, is there another firefox video plugin? |
| 06:48.01 | unix_infidel | yinli: well ya know how you have to setup your router to port forward whatever port sshd you have running on to the box running sshd.a |
| 06:48.02 | yinli | unix_infidel: as far as I know, the status is the ssh channel to external server (bypassing firewall) is OK |
| 06:48.15 | unix_infidel | and that limits what boxes you can ssh into EXTERNALLY. |
| 06:48.23 | kerneld | wsjunior: I don't have a k7, I habe the -586 variant, but that just the rc remnant, just have mplayer now |
| 06:48.33 | unix_infidel | only the box that has the router port forwarded to that IP address on that port. |
| 06:48.59 | unix_infidel | say i have a second box sitting right next to the sshd server that i have files on. can i setup the router or use some TCP/IP hack to access that box directly? |
| 06:48.59 | Storkme | streuner, i just remembered, i'm on ubuntu, not debian. |
| 06:49.00 | yinli | unix_infidel: but I can use the same function to access the same external server on the same workstation just with a different Linux distro, what's the problem? |
| 06:49.09 | kerneld | wsjunior: You have the etch line for marillat? |
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| 06:49.22 | unix_infidel | yinli: lol, now i'm confused |
| 06:49.25 | streuner | Storkme: hm, and why do you ask here instead of #ubuntu? |
| 06:49.39 | yinli | unix_infidel: yeah, that's also my confusion ;-) |
| 06:49.45 | wsjunior | kerneld, ya! it returns some mplayer packages including mplayer-k6 but there's no mplayer-k7 :( |
| 06:49.52 | Storkme | streuner, because i forgot i was on ubuntu :) |
| 06:49.54 | wireddd | unix_infidel, can you ssh into the router? |
| 06:49.59 | unix_infidel | wireddd: sure. |
| 06:50.03 | yinli | unix_infidel: so I think it should be some problem within the ssh or debian release I am using, right? |
| 06:50.11 | unix_infidel | i can even ssh into the box that i have port forwarded to. |
| 06:50.17 | unix_infidel | wireddd: so there's no problem there. |
| 06:50.22 | wireddd | ok well then ssh into the router and then ssh into the computer behind the router? |
| 06:50.48 | unix_infidel | wireddd: just ssh -X username@blah.ath.cx |
| 06:50.57 | unix_infidel | and then ssh from the router to the ip of the box desierd? |
| 06:51.00 | wsjunior | kerneld, it's saying that can't install cuz some gpg key |
| 06:51.33 | yinli | unix_infidel: thanks a lot for your kind response, so what's your suggestion for me to get it work? |
| 06:51.47 | wireddd | unix_infidel, once you are sshed into the router, you can ssh accross the local network |
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| 06:52.49 | joeyjones | how would i start proftpd? |
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| 06:54.01 | Doqnach | joeyjones: man proftpd |
| 06:54.34 | kerneld | wsjunior: sorry for the retell |
| 06:54.48 | unstable | joeyjones: /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
| 06:54.54 | wireddd | unix_infidel, yes |
| 06:54.55 | kerneld | whats the keyserver for debian developer keys? keyring.d.o ? |
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| 06:55.11 | joeyjones | unstable: is proftpd a good ftp server? |
| 06:55.19 | rabies | joeyjones: sure, why not |
| 06:56.08 | wireddd | joeyjones, yeah its pretty good. vsftpd is quite nice too |
| 06:56.15 | joeyjones | k |
| 06:56.18 | unstable | joeyjones: I would recommend vsftpd |
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| 06:56.29 | joeyjones | can i enable mysql in php through php.ini? |
| 06:56.51 | kerneld | wsjunior: Before that apt-key cmd # gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 1F41B907 |
| 06:56.51 | unix_infidel_ | wireddd: it seems i cant ssh into my router after all |
| 06:56.56 | unix_infidel_ | i can do remote management, just not ssh. |
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| 06:57.54 | joeyjones | unstable: can i enable mysql in php through php.ini? |
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| 06:58.39 | wsjunior | kerneld, that what was missing! :D thanks. |
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| 06:59.23 | wsjunior | kerneld, where did u get that last command? |
| 06:59.36 | kerneld | wsjunior: /dev/brain :P |
| 06:59.44 | kerneld | Simialr to getting the 2006 key |
| 07:00.06 | Doqnach | joeyjones: uncomment the extention=php_mysql.* |
| 07:00.06 | wsjunior | . |
| 07:00.09 | wsjunior | ;] |
| 07:00.24 | kerneld | also, I use gpg, so it made sense |
| 07:00.30 | wireddd | unix_infidel, can you ssh into any of the computers which are behind the firewall? |
| 07:00.34 | mrkris | anyone here use exim + tls + auth ? |
| 07:00.43 | joeyjones | Doqnach: could you explain a bit more, this is my second day on linux so nothing makes sense yet |
| 07:00.57 | Doqnach | joeyjones: open php.ini in a text editor |
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| 07:01.05 | joeyjones | done |
| 07:01.06 | Doqnach | go find the lines with all the extentions on it |
| 07:01.27 | Doqnach | and remove the ; before the mysql extention |
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| 07:01.58 | Doqnach | then reload apache (apachectl restart) |
| 07:02.15 | Doqnach | make a file with the phpinfo() function |
| 07:02.20 | Doqnach | and check that with a browser |
| 07:02.25 | kerneld | a small config == sensible defaults |
| 07:02.40 | Doqnach | kerneld: where do you need to install the daemon for postfix? |
| 07:02.43 | Rhizome | i'm gona set up postfix now, gotta do something at work ;P |
| 07:02.48 | Doqnach | because the installer points to /usr/libexec |
| 07:02.53 | Doqnach | but that doesn't exist on debian |
| 07:03.07 | kerneld | Doqnach: from source, or the deb package? |
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| 07:03.46 | Doqnach | source |
| 07:04.06 | kerneld | Doqnach: If you wanna build from source, check out the latest debian package with apt-get source, and see what config options they use in debian/rules |
| 07:04.48 | kerneld | or if you feel adventureouse, cp the debian/ dir and edit the debian/rules and debain/changelog to suite |
| 07:05.07 | Doqnach | mmm |
| 07:05.08 | kerneld | etc.. |
| 07:05.13 | Doqnach | do you have a 'source URI' for me? |
| 07:05.16 | kerneld | then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:05.36 | Rhizome | where is debian/rules though? |
| 07:05.41 | comsa | how do I list IRQ,s |
| 07:05.44 | kerneld | Doqnach: cp the deb line and s/^deb/deb-src/ for that line |
| 07:05.51 | jm_ | cat /proc/interrupts |
| 07:05.59 | comsa | thanks |
| 07:06.00 | Doqnach | from where :-P |
| 07:06.14 | Doqnach | I need to have a source where to get the package from |
| 07:06.16 | kerneld | Rhizome: if you use apt-get source postfix it sould all unpack into postfix-<version> |
| 07:06.19 | jm_ | that will only list interrupts known to kernel |
| 07:06.57 | Rhizome | kerneld: oh cool, never botherd with debians sources much :P |
| 07:07.01 | kerneld | This isn't necessarily a great idea, but somtimes I use an unstable deb-src line on a system that is stable if I need to have the latest greatest |
| 07:07.21 | comsa | my mouse is playing up done the dpkg thing wont take |
| 07:07.39 | kerneld | need to be extra careful with keeping track of security upated if you take that route though, and upgrades later might be a little more fiddly |
| 07:07.45 | jm_ | what dpkg thing? |
| 07:08.10 | comsa | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:08.28 | jm_ | first sort out kernel side of things with the mouse, then X will work too |
| 07:08.38 | comsa | mmmmmmmm |
| 07:08.42 | kerneld | Doqnach: Same place you get your binarie ftp.?.debian.org ... |
| 07:08.49 | jm_ | are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:09.01 | kerneld | Doqnach: Use the exact same line, just change ^deb to ^deb-src |
| 07:09.10 | comsa | 2.4.27 |
| 07:09.26 | jm_ | ok that's a bit more annoying |
| 07:09.41 | kerneld | if you are not sure where to put that, then you definataly need to do some googline or digging in the debian docs |
| 07:10.11 | Rhizome | that's interesting, how does debian handle it when you install a package from source and there's a new version? will it just not upgrade till you install the latest? :P |
| 07:10.46 | kerneld | comsa: That doesn't edit the X config if you have made local changes last I checked. It keeps an md5 sum of the last debconf generated config |
| 07:11.01 | jm_ | that too |
| 07:11.07 | comsa | mouse works at kdm login not in the desktop |
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| 07:12.05 | Rhizome | I better get back to postfix, so many howto's and docs to choose from :D |
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| 07:12.34 | joeyjones | well this is gay |
| 07:12.44 | joeyjones | i can't get php to connect to apache |
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| 07:12.57 | Rhizome | joeyjones: apt-cache search apache | grep php |
| 07:13.01 | jm_ | I find that hard to believe |
| 07:13.14 | comsa | thats it |
| 07:13.23 | kerneld | Rhizome: that bit gets tricky, you need to know what you are doing. You could for instance put the packages you customized on hold if its the same version as in stable (Just suffix the version with you initials or something in the changelog), then if there is a newer version because of some security patch etc, you should see something like: 1 package held back\n\tpostfix |
| 07:13.24 | k-god | joeyjones: So long as you can keep it from connecting to your MTA, you're ahead of the game. |
| 07:13.28 | joeyjones | i installed apache2 then libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 07:13.40 | joeyjones | mta? |
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| 07:14.20 | deeee | Hi. lost internet connection. got a dsl router running linux. loccal lan is running, but no internet.any help? |
| 07:14.36 | Tripnotik | jm_, using Package didn't work |
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| 07:14.52 | kerneld | What would be neat is if you could have a local diff for the debian package registered some place, and if there is a new source version, it attempts to apply the diff, if no error, build the package and let you know its ready |
| 07:14.59 | jm_ | Tripnotik: Packages, not Package |
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| 07:15.23 | Rhizome | kerneld: hehe, sounds to userfriendly, and scary :P |
| 07:15.34 | Tripnotik | jm_, yes, sorry, typo |
| 07:15.39 | kerneld | Rhizome: Oly when you do an apt-get upgrade |
| 07:15.44 | jm_ | Tripnotik: what does it say now? |
| 07:15.45 | kerneld | or some such. |
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| 07:16.08 | mrkris | anyone ever experience exim + tls-auth being slow on send? |
| 07:16.10 | Rhizome | kerneld: would be cool actually, atleast try to patch it, or compile it the way you already did. |
| 07:16.13 | Tripnotik | jm_, the same error from dpkg : can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument |
| 07:16.41 | kerneld | some support framework for local modified deb-src orignianted packages would be cool |
| 07:17.07 | joeyjones | Rhizome: so what package should i install to addphp4 or php5 with mysql to apache? |
| 07:17.09 | Rhizome | joeyjones: check /etc/apache2/ and the mods available dir |
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| 07:17.55 | jm_ | Tripnotik: hard to say what is wrong, but one of the parameters for mmap is not OK |
| 07:18.04 | kerneld | Hmm when did registrations to debconf need to be confirmed? |
| 07:18.10 | joeyjones | php4.conf and php4.load |
| 07:18.16 | kerneld | Still not sure if I can go :/ |
| 07:18.28 | Tripnotik | jm_, I'll look into it, if I have a problem, I'll let you know |
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| 07:18.52 | Rhizome | joeyjones: just apt-cache search for apache mysql and php, there's a few small packages that need installing then edit /etc/php/apache2/php.ini and uncomment mysql.so(is this really neccesary?) |
| 07:19.16 | jm_ | Tripnotik: but this is pretty strange, no-one has ever had issues with available file and debootstrap, they all have issues with missing /proc or /dev |
| 07:19.19 | Tripnotik | jm_, I meant if I find a solution :) |
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| 07:19.40 | Doqnach | kerneld: so which one in the rules file would be the dir to place daemons in ? |
| 07:19.51 | Doqnach | libdir, sbindir, bindir ? |
| 07:20.10 | kerneld | Doqnach: sarge/etch/sid? |
| 07:20.15 | Doqnach | sarge |
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| 07:20.32 | Doqnach | one of the 2 default source servers from sources.list |
| 07:20.53 | joeyjones | Rhizome: i have php installed, but it doesn't load with apache |
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| 07:22.20 | xstation | hi |
| 07:22.46 | kerneld | Doqnach: http://pastebin.com/630359 |
| 07:22.57 | kerneld | Doqnach: thats from top of debian/rules |
| 07:23.04 | kerneld | in etch package |
| 07:23.28 | Doqnach | I have the same |
| 07:23.28 | xstation | what is the command at prompt to charoot into say /dev/hda1 from /dev/hda3 |
| 07:23.33 | Doqnach | but which one would be the daemons |
| 07:24.32 | wmhtet | silly question, how much bandwidth it takes if I let the debian IRC channel running? is it bad enough to effect my landlord BF1942 online game play on DSL ? dunno my speed though, when the weather is good, I usually good the download speed of 80kb/s |
| 07:24.45 | Doqnach | wmhtet: next to nothing |
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| 07:25.03 | wmhtet | dang, that is damn fast answer! |
| 07:25.15 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.26 | xstation | any help with chroot command please |
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| 07:25.30 | Doqnach | IRC is plain text so takes almost no bandwidth |
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| 07:26.17 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:26.48 | mngrif | Doqnach, IRC is a chatty protocol though |
| 07:26.54 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.24 | Zugschlus | mrkris: does your smarthost allow smtp auth over tls? |
| 07:27.33 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.40 | Doqnach | gotta run, off to school |
| 07:27.42 | Doqnach | cya people |
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| 07:28.06 | kerneld | Doqnach: Not sure, need to check dpatch , but I think it is not specified probl the sbindir |
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| 07:29.00 | mngrif | wmhtet, protocol vs. the channel itself, yeah, far more bandwidth will be used up by the channel. really though, over a standard 768/128 DSL line you shouldn't be able to notice IRC in the background. i ran a VERY small time IRC server over such a link and had no problems with gaming of any type |
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| 07:29.30 | Doqnach | small IRC networks (let's say 100 users) only pull 500MB each month or something |
| 07:29.31 | kingspawn | wmhtet: if it manages to disrupt his gameplay i'll be utterly amazed |
| 07:29.45 | kingspawn | atleast if its only #debian |
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| 07:29.53 | Doqnach | *off* |
| 07:29.55 | mngrif | Doqnach, in my case it was at best 10MB/day |
| 07:30.17 | mngrif | just used for internal affairs, really |
| 07:30.56 | wmhtet | well, I used to use a lot of bandwidth and he was upset with that so , I am a bit afraid that I might annoy him :D |
| 07:31.22 | mngrif | wmhtet, if it gets bad, replace the router with something custom and use honest to god bandwidth management |
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| 07:32.30 | wmhtet | one more thing, I am running the IRC in Opera which itself sometime refresh the webpage, I got complain by network admin at work saying that my system has problem ( he thinks that I am running P2P or something ), |
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| 07:33.04 | kerneld | heh, opera irc. Eeew |
| 07:33.06 | mngrif | wmhtet, use an actual client? probably no other way around that aside from finding another gateway |
| 07:33.14 | kerneld | irssi |
| 07:33.15 | wmhtet | come on, I love opera :) |
| 07:33.19 | mngrif | kerneld, netscape IRC... ew. |
| 07:33.47 | Rhizome | gaim irc ftw! ;O |
| 07:34.00 | mngrif | Rhizome, mmm... xchat mebbe? |
| 07:34.00 | wmhtet | anyway, I won't listen to you guy for this matter :D, I will stick with my opera :D |
| 07:34.04 | Canna | hey guys, I am not seeing my second hard drive that I just installed under /dev/hdb am I forgetting something, or should linux recognize it on startup?? The disk is running, i can tell because i put my hand on top of it and felt it |
| 07:34.05 | kerneld | who still uses BitchX? |
| 07:34.08 | kerneld | that POC :P |
| 07:34.17 | mngrif | me |
| 07:34.19 | Rhizome | mngrif: uhm, no, mirc under wine! :P |
| 07:34.23 | wmhtet | ah ... what is POC ? |
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| 07:34.26 | Canna | bitchx is great |
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| 07:34.30 | jm_ | Canna: seeing it where? |
| 07:34.35 | Canna | i just hate having to swithc out of X if im in it |
| 07:34.41 | Canna | in fdisk |
| 07:34.43 | kerneld | !POC |
| 07:34.43 | dpkg | i heard poc is plain old c |
| 07:34.49 | kerneld | heh |
| 07:34.50 | Canna | but basically in ls /proc/ide too |
| 07:34.56 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.59 | simonrvn | !poc is also Piece of Crap |
| 07:34.59 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 07:35.07 | wmhtet | heh |
| 07:35.09 | kerneld | simonrvn: has it |
| 07:35.13 | Rhizome | !fud |
| 07:35.13 | dpkg | well, fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
| 07:35.19 | jm_ | cat /proc/partitions ; grep hdb /var/log/dmesg |
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| 07:35.29 | mngrif | Rhizome, i actually did that to beta test a friends script once, worked very well |
| 07:35.34 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.47 | kerneld | Rhizome: there is a mexican brand of deli ham called FUD |
| 07:35.53 | Canna | jm_: what is that, is it two lines, or should i pipe it? |
| 07:35.54 | kerneld | I need to get a sign |
| 07:35.55 | rca | hello |
| 07:36.03 | jm_ | Canna: it's one line with two commands |
| 07:36.03 | wmhtet | !wmhtet |
| 07:36.05 | kerneld | to put next to som SPAM |
| 07:36.20 | wmhtet | so it doesn't work then :D |
| 07:36.20 | mngrif | btw, in my 10 years of linux, i STILL don't know what the kerneld proccess is |
| 07:36.22 | Canna | jm_: ok, what will that do, and what should i do after |
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| 07:36.39 | kerneld | mngrif: Its a 2.0 kernel relic |
| 07:36.43 | jm_ | Canna: it will display some stuff, and you should read it to find out if anything has been detected |
| 07:36.59 | kerneld | userspace process that dynalically loaded modules. |
| 07:37.03 | likeafox | (In the sh shell) how can I output command results into a file, or perhaps look at what scrolled by some other way? |
| 07:37.05 | mngrif | kerneld, neat |
| 07:37.15 | kerneld | no longer used |
| 07:37.31 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, use > to redirect output to a file |
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| 07:37.43 | Dwonis | aw crap... somehow, I managed to type "rm fsm.c" instead of "vim fsm.c". |
| 07:37.51 | Canna | jm_: I just get my hda |
| 07:37.58 | jm_ | Canna: then hdb is not detected |
| 07:37.59 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, for example, fortune > /dev/null |
| 07:38.02 | ekoo | pls give me debian dvd download adress |
| 07:38.04 | Canna | I know |
| 07:38.06 | Dwonis | not enough sleep, I guess |
| 07:38.12 | Rhizome | !dvd |
| 07:38.12 | dpkg | from memory, dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss |
| 07:38.16 | Canna | should it be automatically detected at startup? |
| 07:38.16 | jm_ | are you sure it should be hdb at all? |
| 07:38.24 | Rhizome | aww ;p |
| 07:38.26 | likeafox | Thanks SilverMoonDragon |
| 07:38.27 | wmhtet | I think, I'd better ask something useful. How can I open port in my system, I need to open some port for portforwarding purpose |
| 07:38.33 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, no probs |
| 07:38.44 | Canna | its on the same ide cable as hda but its a slave |
| 07:38.47 | liable | ekoo: have you looked on www.debian.org? |
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| 07:38.57 | jm_ | does BIOS detect it? |
| 07:39.02 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, there is also | to pipe the output to another command. eg cat /dev/random | perl |
| 07:39.12 | Canna | wmhtet: you need to login to your router |
| 07:39.21 | kerneld | http://www.isc.com.mx/images/fud.gif |
| 07:39.28 | liable | Canna: it will be detected, but not mounted, so you wont be ablt to do anything with it untill you mount it. |
| 07:39.48 | jm_ | liable: it should still be listed in dmesg/partitions files |
| 07:39.56 | Canna | jm_: I didnt think of that... it just came out of a windows machine and it was barely functional in there... lots of CRC errors, I figured it would be useable on linux because i can section off all the bad blocks |
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| 07:40.07 | Sonic^Work | Hello everyone! |
| 07:40.14 | SilverMoonDragon | hi Sonic^Work |
| 07:40.16 | liable | jm_: yeah, i am just not sure what he expects to be able to do after "just plugging it in" :) |
| 07:40.20 | Canna | but i would think the bios should have detected it... I guess ill have to reboot and find out |
| 07:40.32 | Sonic^Work | I've got a little problem with GNOME desktop, can anyone help me a bit? |
| 07:40.37 | Dwonis | !ask |
| 07:40.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:40.38 | SilverMoonDragon | Sonic^Work, ask |
| 07:40.43 | Sonic^Work | My "Debian menu" is empty. What package is it in? |
| 07:40.43 | Canna | liable: im not that much of a newb thanks |
| 07:40.46 | wmhtet | canna, login to my router ? :O why? I have run knmap (sorry, not nmap) and saw some port opening (like 25), I want to open some more |
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| 07:41.10 | liable | Canna: aplologies, wasnt able to really tell. |
| 07:41.11 | rca | i've hit some problem with mailman 2.1.5 from sarge and it's not in the debian bug tracker, but it'd like to confirm it somehow. a list is configured _not_ to strip HTML from messages, yet it does. content filtering is enabled, but pass_mime_types includes multipart/alternative, text/html and multipart/mixed. yet mailman incorrectly strips all HTML and sends the message to the list immediately |
| 07:41.22 | SilverMoonDragon | Sonic^Work, it is not a package. though it should be there |
| 07:41.25 | rca | i'm testing with upstream right now to see if that one has the same behavior |
| 07:41.32 | Canna | its ok, i know it needs to be mounted |
| 07:41.33 | Dwonis | Sonic^Work: You might have to install "menu" |
| 07:41.49 | Canna | jm_: so you agree reboot and try the bios? |
| 07:41.52 | likeafox | Hmm, SilverMoonDragon, does it still work to pipe/write files, if the program running requires user input? |
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| 07:42.04 | Dwonis | Sonic^Work: If it's already installed, you night have to run "update-menus" as root (though you shouldn't have to do anything, normally) |
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| 07:42.23 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, i would prefer to do command | tee xyz |
| 07:42.31 | kerneld | snooze'o'clock |
| 07:42.44 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, that way, you can read the output and still have it write to the file |
| 07:43.10 | likeafox | Cool |
| 07:43.21 | Sonic^Work | Dwonis: Thanks. |
| 07:43.27 | kraypius | anyone know what the best command line gui interface to generating iptables configuration is? |
| 07:43.30 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, or tee -a xyz to append to file xyz |
| 07:44.00 | likeafox | A file in the working directory ofcourse |
| 07:44.13 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.17 | wmhtet | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport MYPORT -j ACCEPT #Open PROTOCOL |
| 07:44.17 | wmhtet | iptables -A INPUT -p udp -i eth0 --dport MYPORT -j ACCEPT |
| 07:44.20 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, it can also be the full path name. eg /dev/null |
| 07:44.37 | liable | kraypius: command line gui interface? |
| 07:44.57 | likeafox | That helps a lot SilverMoonDragon. |
| 07:44.57 | kraypius | like http://firewall-jay.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
| 07:44.58 | Dwonis | liable: perhaps like xmessage? |
| 07:45.04 | jm_ | Canna: sure |
| 07:45.09 | liable | kraypius: take a look at shorewall, dunno what xmessage is. |
| 07:45.14 | SilverMoonDragon | likeafox, glad to be of service |
| 07:45.19 | kraypius | thanks |
| 07:45.29 | kingspawn | Dwonis: haha, i did something like that yesterday. luckily i had cat'ed the file just a little while ago |
| 07:45.48 | kingspawn | seem like i was scrolled up a bit. jeez. |
| 07:45.50 | kingspawn | sorry |
| 07:46.03 | liable | kraypius: you want a text based or graphic?? |
| 07:46.22 | Dwonis | kingspawn: yeah... I suppose this is a good opportunity to rewrite the thing anyway... the code wasn't working anyway ;/ |
| 07:46.23 | wireddd | why does apt-get hold packages? |
| 07:46.23 | kraypius | graphic but from command so i can do it remotely |
| 07:46.41 | kingspawn | Dwonis: hehe |
| 07:46.42 | kraypius | like the jays one. it uses dialog |
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| 07:46.59 | wireddd | is there a way to list why specific packages are being held back>? |
| 07:47.02 | kerneld | kraypius: Because of dseelct/aptitude/... selections |
| 07:47.12 | simonrvn | liable: like zenity, but |
| 07:47.17 | liable | kraypius: oh, curses based?? no x?? |
| 07:47.22 | simonrvn | athena |
| 07:47.23 | kraypius | yeah |
| 07:47.26 | kraypius | thats what i meant |
| 07:47.26 | kerneld | s/kraypius/wireddd/ |
| 07:47.55 | wireddd | well how do I get rid of all of the holds? |
| 07:47.59 | Dwonis | krayplus: that's typically called an "ncurses interface", even though that's not entirely accurate (a more accurate term would be "full-screen console-based UI", I guess, but that's rather long) |
| 07:48.05 | jm_ | !tell wireddd -about held back |
| 07:48.14 | liable | kraypius: shorewall is text files, but fairly straight forward if you follow there howto. |
| 07:48.24 | SilverMoonDragon | !tell SilverMoonDragon -about held back |
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| 07:49.25 | kerneld | wireddd: Load up aptitude, or dselct, or it s a bit ugly. dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$' | sed 's/hold$/install'| dpkg --set-selections might work |
| 07:49.25 | kraypius | oh. ill give it a try and post the generated rules from it and from the curses one I found for comparison |
| 07:49.33 | liable | simonrvn: hrm, never tried zenity, looks interesting. |
| 07:50.10 | wmhtet | seems like you guys are busy, I will come back tomorrow and ask again , night guys :) |
| 07:50.57 | liable | wmhtet: there is an #iptables chennel too fyi. |
| 07:51.06 | konfuzed | i dont suppose any one has their firefox complaining of connection refused with http://microsft.com or http://ebay.com |
| 07:51.13 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.28 | jm_ | besides, you might need up to three rules for port forwarding |
| 07:51.37 | konfuzed | i get gmail.com just fine but not cnn.com |
| 07:51.41 | konfuzed | it doesnt make sense |
| 07:51.57 | wireddd | konfuzed, do the dns names resolve? |
| 07:52.05 | kerneld | konfuzed: How aboint: ping cnn.com, and w3m cnn.com ? |
| 07:52.08 | konfuzed | BGP is choking at my isp maybe |
| 07:52.12 | Dwonis | konfuzed: there probably isn't anything worth reading on cnn.com anyway ;) |
| 07:52.14 | konfuzed | yes the dns resolves |
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| 07:52.17 | wmhtet | thx jm_ and liable |
| 07:52.21 | Dwonis | konfused: they all work for me right now, though :) |
| 07:52.23 | wmhtet | bye all |
| 07:52.38 | konfuzed | well i wanted to check ebay |
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| 07:53.01 | konfuzed | its very weird though cause of my gateway router screwing around earlier today |
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| 07:54.50 | kerneld | konfuzed: Have you restarted firefox? Not sure the specifics right now, but at one point, I think it pooled a dns resolver thread/process and if your resolv.conf changed due to a reconnection or something, that might mess you up |
| 07:54.52 | konfuzed | i thought maybe active-x or some crap choking |
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| 07:55.06 | kerneld | konfuzed: active-x ? |
| 07:55.09 | konfuzed | oh well I was editing it a bunch |
| 07:55.17 | kerneld | on debian? |
| 07:55.20 | konfuzed | in conjunction with my screwed up router |
| 07:55.27 | Dwonis | kerneld: could be Crossover Office |
| 07:55.27 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:55.28 | wireddd | kerneld, dpkg doesn't list anything as being held |
| 07:55.35 | konfuzed | well that microsoft IE dependent crap |
| 07:56.02 | kerneld | wireddd: Well if its held back then it has some unment dependency, try dist-upgrade so it can pull in a new package |
| 07:56.03 | konfuzed | the router blocks it at the router active-x popups and javascript |
| 07:56.16 | kerneld | unmet not unment |
| 07:56.24 | konfuzed | ill kill that firefox |
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| 07:57.52 | konfuzed | crap I still get connection refused |
| 07:58.01 | joeyjones | cna someone help me with installing apache2 and php4? |
| 07:58.12 | joeyjones | i installed it once, then uninstalled |
| 07:58.26 | joeyjones | now i can't install again |
| 07:58.31 | nkuttler | joeyjones: why not? |
| 07:58.32 | SlayerXP | joeyjones: why not? |
| 07:58.45 | simonrvn | is there an echo echo here here? |
| 07:58.47 | wireddd | kerneld, yeah that seems to fix alot of the problems though it wants to remove base-config |
| 07:59.02 | joeyjones | i get so many errors |
| 07:59.03 | konfuzed | PING microsoft.com (207.46.250.119) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 07:59.08 | konfuzed | 100% failure |
| 07:59.11 | SlayerXP | joeyjones: such as.... |
| 07:59.17 | kerneld | wireddd: Then after, try apt-get install base-config, or before |
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| 07:59.25 | nkuttler | tell us the first one |
| 07:59.26 | protoloco | 111/tcp open rpcbind and 631/tcp open ipp , how can i know the service that is opening this POrt, or what is linked to it.. ? |
| 07:59.37 | simonrvn | netstat |
| 07:59.58 | wireddd | kerneld, well I guess it wants to remove it becuase it isn't in testing, heh |
| 07:59.58 | SlayerXP | protoloco: netstat also lsof also see /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf |
| 08:00.07 | protoloco | simonrvn, yeah but with what, parameters ? |
| 08:00.10 | kerneld | wireddd: Well there ya go |
| 08:00.14 | simonrvn | man it |
| 08:00.17 | joeyjones | i have 1 question before i try to insta;ll again |
| 08:00.34 | joeyjones | should i install php4 or libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 08:00.45 | kerneld | libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 08:00.46 | threat | joeyjones, both |
| 08:00.52 | konfuzed | net stat -rn is short and sweet two liner like it shold be |
| 08:00.54 | kerneld | s/\?// |
| 08:01.12 | kerneld | later will pull in the former |
| 08:01.18 | threat | s/kerneld// |
| 08:01.40 | kerneld | grep threat > /dev/null |
| 08:01.42 | kerneld | :P |
| 08:01.45 | joeyjones | ok |
| 08:01.50 | joeyjones | so i installed apache2 |
| 08:01.58 | kerneld | or grep -v threat :P |
| 08:01.59 | threat | dd if=/dev/random of=kerneld |
| 08:02.01 | joeyjones | then php4 and libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 08:02.11 | joeyjones | but when i got to a php file it jsut asks me to dl it |
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| 08:02.49 | joeyjones | *go |
| 08:02.54 | kerneld | joeyjones: Then your httpd.conf is not loading the module |
| 08:03.06 | joeyjones | how should i fix it? |
| 08:03.06 | simonrvn | a2enmod |
| 08:03.07 | threat | joeyjones, help, you have to configure that properly ;) |
| 08:03.12 | kerneld | You shouldn't have to monkey about with the files |
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| 08:03.35 | Canna | jm_:you still here? |
| 08:03.42 | joeyjones | maybe i should restart apache... |
| 08:03.58 | kerneld | joeyjones: Yeah, you have to after installing new modules |
| 08:04.05 | kerneld | apache2ctl graceful |
| 08:04.18 | joeyjones | jshinser:/home/joey# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 08:04.19 | joeyjones | Forcing reload of web server: Apache2apache2: Include directory '/etc/apache2/mods-enabled' not foundjshinser:/home/joey# |
| 08:04.22 | jm_ | Canna: yes |
| 08:04.24 | kerneld | or whatever gets your rocks up |
| 08:04.49 | simonrvn | your mods-enabled dir is gone... |
| 08:04.55 | kerneld | joeyjones: Eeew thats bad |
| 08:04.56 | Canna | jm_:true, thanks for your help... I was able to fix it myself |
| 08:05.01 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:05.01 | jm_ | Canna: good |
| 08:05.07 | joeyjones | should i jsut make the dir? |
| 08:05.09 | Canna | well get it recognized at least, the rest should be cake |
| 08:05.10 | simonrvn | i repeat, a2enmod |
| 08:05.22 | Canna | props to anyone who can guess what the problem was... |
| 08:05.34 | Canna | .it should be obvious since im done already |
| 08:05.37 | simonrvn | fartfish |
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| 08:06.00 | joeyjones | kerneld: so how could i fix it? |
| 08:06.04 | neo_ | Hi |
| 08:06.07 | joeyjones | does apt-get have a fix command? |
| 08:06.13 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:06.21 | simonrvn | it's not an apt problem |
| 08:06.25 | Canna | well it was a bad IDE cable if anyone cares |
| 08:06.29 | kerneld | joeyjones: wait a tick. there is a helper app for apache mods |
| 08:06.42 | simonrvn | ffs, i've only said it twice already |
| 08:06.50 | Canna | thats about the only way one hd would be recognized and not the other, and i could swap it out this fast |
| 08:07.03 | neo_ | I have a 512mb usb stick and I was wondering how do make debian notice it |
| 08:07.13 | neo_ | as in mount |
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| 08:07.29 | wireddd | Canna, I can think of a few things |
| 08:07.33 | kerneld | joeyjones: infiestigate /usr/sbin/update-apache2-modules |
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| 08:07.53 | Canna | wireddd: really? that could be wrong and fixed that fast? |
| 08:08.00 | protoloco | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5335 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2250/mDNSResponder <-- what service is this ? should i disable it ? |
| 08:08.05 | Canna | maybe autodetection in the bios disabled or something |
| 08:08.23 | Canna | what were you thinking bro? |
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| 08:08.58 | neo_ | Anyone? I kinda need to use it. |
| 08:09.15 | wireddd | Canna, bad power connector, loose cable, bios impropery configured |
| 08:09.25 | kerneld | joeyjones: do you have apache2-common installed (Should do) |
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| 08:09.40 | joeyjones | i jsut ran apt-get apache2 |
| 08:10.15 | Canna | wireddd: very true, i was just leaving t5hem out cause i knew i had double checked them |
| 08:10.21 | simonrvn | "invalid command apache2" |
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| 08:11.15 | kiniu | is it possible to import evolution mailbox into mozilla-thunderbird? |
| 08:11.24 | Canna | I almost forgot to ask you guys... Is it reasonable for me to think that this hard drive will possible function basically normal in linux if I have it detect all bad blocks and mark them off in the beginning? or is it likeely it will degrade further and more bad blocks will keep showing up |
| 08:11.46 | kerneld | wireddd: try: update-apache2-modules --add php4 .. I am sure the mod-php4 package does that in its postinst though |
| 08:12.21 | wireddd | s/wireddd/joeyjones / |
| 08:12.30 | neo_ | USB stick. Does anyone have one? |
| 08:12.41 | wireddd | neo_, maybe? |
| 08:12.44 | kerneld | :p helping too many people :P |
| 08:12.53 | neo_ | If so, does anyone know how to make them work under Debian? |
| 08:12.53 | kerneld | and it is past snooze'o'clock |
| 08:12.53 | joeyjones | lol |
| 08:12.56 | kerneld | cyaz |
| 08:13.03 | wireddd | Canna, usually hard drives continue to degrade |
| 08:13.24 | Canna | is there any way around that, if i continue to scan for bad blocks maybe? |
| 08:13.26 | Tripnotik | jm_, I fooled the install with a dirty trick, using Packages, thanks for your help :) |
| 08:13.36 | simonrvn | !udev usbkey |
| 08:13.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev usbkey is plug your usb key in, then run dmesg, look for a line like this: Vendor: LEXAR Model: JUMPDRIVE SECURE Rev: 1000; then echo 'BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="JUMPDRIVE SECURE", NAME{all_partitions}="usbkey%n"' >> /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules ; but substitute the the Model: string from dmesg into the SYSFS{model} parameter |
| 08:13.53 | neo_ | Anyone??? |
| 08:13.54 | wireddd | Canna, are all of the bad blocks in roughly the same part of the disc? |
| 08:14.08 | Canna | I believe the hard drive is under warranty but I havnt a freaking clue where the receipt is |
| 08:14.16 | joeyjones | kerneld: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2259 |
| 08:14.20 | joeyjones | what happend |
| 08:14.23 | wireddd | Canna, what brand of HD? |
| 08:14.28 | Canna | im not sure yet, I scanned a few weeks ago i dont remember the sectors |
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| 08:14.36 | simonrvn | neo_: ^^ - does that help? |
| 08:14.39 | Canna | Samsung |
| 08:14.49 | Canna | the website advertised it as a "Seagate" |
| 08:14.54 | Canna | then i got that |
| 08:15.02 | Canna | i didnt even realize till it started goin to crap |
| 08:15.21 | kerneld | joeyjones: I'm gone, try work out yerself or someone else can help. sprry |
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| 08:15.42 | neo_ | Not really, I mena I understand that it is of some help but I don't know the model so i don't know what to do about that part |
| 08:15.56 | Canna | joeyjones: whats your prob? |
| 08:16.08 | joeyjones | with installing apache2 and php4 |
| 08:16.19 | joeyjones | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2259 is the error mi got and what i jsut did |
| 08:16.27 | Canna | whats goin wrong you just cant apt-get it at all? |
| 08:16.30 | mrkris | Zugschlus: still around |
| 08:16.32 | neo_ | Why not PHP5? |
| 08:16.46 | joeyjones | neo_: it aint working anyway |
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| 08:17.01 | joeyjones | apache2 doesn't have a module folder |
| 08:17.13 | KjetilK | anyone have experience using update-xmlcatalog? I can't really understand if it can create a catalog file based on the identifiers |
| 08:17.21 | neo_ | Ah |
| 08:17.23 | KjetilK | or if I need to create the local catalog by hand |
| 08:17.25 | kerneld | joeyjones: last words, I suspect your ionstall was interupted, or something, that dir should exist. You could create it I guess, but you might want to find out why it broke |
| 08:17.25 | wireddd | Canna, well it seems that samsung won't directly handle rma's which is a shame |
| 08:17.27 | mrkris | Zugschlus: i set it up on my server, configured tls. my problem is that the email will send, it's just very slow. if i send from my gmail TO my server, it is instant. if i send from home TO my server relaying TO gmail, it takes forever, same if i send from home TO server at all. was thinking it's a name resolution issue |
| 08:17.28 | neo_ | I just installed it. |
| 08:17.41 | Canna | wireddd: whered you get that? the website |
| 08:17.43 | neo_ | Oh wait that was on windows |
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| 08:18.10 | wireddd | Canna, yeah it says you have to go through whatever company you bought it from |
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| 08:18.41 | NET||abuse | trying to mount a share from my windows machine, using the cifs fs |
| 08:19.16 | NET||abuse | my fstab line reads //192.168.1.4/Shared /mnt/Share cifs username=winuser,domain=WINDOMAIN,rw,user 0 0 |
| 08:19.23 | NET||abuse | and i try mount /mnt/Share |
| 08:19.41 | Canna | wireddd: wow that sucks, it was off a pricewatch link :-/ |
| 08:19.52 | NET||abuse | comes up with error 1 operation not permitted |
| 08:20.33 | Canna | joeyjones: you did make sure that the apache2 processes were all killed right? |
| 08:20.38 | Zugschlus | mrkris: trace a delivery process and find out what takes so long |
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| 08:21.30 | neo_ | simonrvn I did "dmesg" and it said WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured |
| 08:21.30 | neo_ | USB Mass Storage device found at 2 |
| 08:21.30 | neo_ | USB Mass Storage support registered. |
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| 08:21.43 | mrkris | Zugschlus: what's the best way to do that? |
| 08:21.44 | wireddd | Canna, you might want to try calling them, or you could go the social engineering route and say you are a local computer repair shop and it is a customers pc and they may let it go through. |
| 08:21.47 | neo_ | Among other things |
| 08:22.04 | jm_ | mrkris: swaks - SMTP command-line test tool |
| 08:22.05 | Canna | wireddd: very good idea |
| 08:22.12 | jm_ | mrkris: learn to use apt-cache |
| 08:22.15 | tepez | Anyone knows what is the page size on a Linux/i386? |
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| 08:22.57 | Canna | wireddd: the only other thing i can think of is to go to my bank and search through allmy recods over a year ago |
| 08:23.10 | mrkris | jm_: I know how to use apt-cache :) |
| 08:23.18 | wireddd | Canna, try calling them and see where that gets you |
| 08:23.20 | Canna | every single one in the hundred dollar price range :-/ |
| 08:23.34 | jm_ | mrkris: so how come you didn't find this tool then? |
| 08:23.49 | Canna | wireddd: you didnt happen to see business hours to call ont he site did u, its not 24/7 imsure |
| 08:23.49 | wireddd | you need to run there little hard drive checking program first though |
| 08:23.53 | tepez | Anyone knows what is the page size on a Linux/i386? please pm me if you do |
| 08:23.59 | mrkris | i never searched, i asked the best way, not the best app |
| 08:24.24 | Canna | im checkin now |
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| 08:24.37 | wireddd | Canna, with the samsung program? |
| 08:25.06 | Canna | for bad sectors? no i meant for the contact info |
| 08:25.22 | Canna | for bad sectors i thought fdisk will do it???no? |
| 08:25.28 | jm_ | no |
| 08:25.34 | Canna | i havnt gotten to that yet |
| 08:25.48 | Canna | since debian asked me if i wanted to do it for my other hard drive i just thought it would prompt me |
| 08:26.13 | jm_ | installation asks you, but you can do it yourself too, man mkfs |
| 08:26.24 | Canna | thanks |
| 08:26.25 | kreg_work | is there a raid for 3 same size discs? |
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| 08:26.59 | dondelelcaro | kreg_work: 5 iwll work |
| 08:27.06 | wireddd | oh, well run the samsung hd checking utility before you call them it will give you their specific error codes and if you don't they will ask you to run it and call back |
| 08:27.51 | Canna | oh ok thanks... thats on their website??? i honestly dont see it |
| 08:27.53 | kreg_work | dondek, wondering what to do with this sytem i found. Dual PII 400Mhz with three 9.1 scsi discs |
| 08:27.56 | wireddd | yeah it is there |
| 08:27.59 | kreg_work | dondelelcaro, |
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| 08:28.36 | wireddd | Canna, when I was in highschool I used to work at a pc repair place and I did all of the rma's for them |
| 08:28.45 | simonrvn | 3 scsi drives? nice. stick a faster cpu in it |
| 08:29.14 | kreg_work | ya. dunno what's so great about scsi tho |
| 08:29.24 | kreg_work | trying to think of a worthy job for this sytem |
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| 08:29.41 | Canna | so "mkfs -c /dev/hdb" will do it |
| 08:29.59 | kreg_work | no raid card, so maybe software raid |
| 08:30.12 | Canna | wireddd: I see, well I guess I can google the seagate utility |
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| 08:32.33 | jm_ | Canna: no, you don't mkfs entire drives |
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| 08:33.06 | wireddd | you said it was a samsung drive? |
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| 08:34.30 | neo_ | rumour has it, udev usbkey is plug your usb key in, then run dmesg, look for a line like this: Vendor: LEXAR Model: JUMPDRIVE SECURE Rev: 1000; then echo 'BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="JUMPDRIVE SECURE", NAME{all_partitions}="usbkey%n"' >> /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules ; but substitute the the Model: string from dmesg into the SYSFS{model} parameter |
| 08:34.45 | neo_ | I don't know what the model is |
| 08:35.05 | neo_ | And I have no idea what to do |
| 08:35.12 | Canna | jm_:so I would need to make it /dev/hdb1? |
| 08:35.52 | wireddd | neo_, tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 08:35.58 | wireddd | and then plug your drive in |
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| 08:37.01 | mrkris | jm_: tried out swaks -- everything seems to send fine, must be my mailclient (thunderbird) |
| 08:37.02 | __g0r8y__ | Hi Hi, Im trying to add printers to my samba server, im try both methods; the add printer wizard option via XP and the rpcclient addriver mentod. Each yeilds access denied, I cant find this message any logs... |
| 08:38.41 | bibe | hi all. I have just bought an Asus notebook (Z92J series), and since some of its hardware isn't supported out-of-the-box by the d-i, I'd like to write an installation howto to render the installation process easier for people who want to run Debian on this kind of notebook. First question: how can I build a debian package to be installed during the installation? |
| 08:38.49 | jm_ | Canna: after you partition it, yes |
| 08:39.06 | neo_ | wireddd, what does that do? |
| 08:39.24 | dondelelcaro | bibe: first off, have you tried the etch d-i or one of the newer stable nightly d-i's? |
| 08:39.42 | bibe | I used the Etch d-i beta2 |
| 08:40.10 | bibe | dondelelcaro : I'll try with a nightly netinst image |
| 08:40.12 | neo_ | Nothing happened |
| 08:40.19 | dondelelcaro | bibe: ok; your first task then is probably to figure out exactly why d-i isn't supporting that hardware, and then see what needs to be changed. |
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| 08:40.28 | Canna | jm_:so I have to partition it using a linux filesystem with fdisk, then use mkfs -c to check for bad blocks... and this will also mark them so they are not used?? |
| 08:40.43 | dondelelcaro | bibe: then work with the d-i team to get those changes made so a laptop specific howto isn't required. |
| 08:40.47 | wireddd | "tail -f /somefile" will read the last few lines of a file and print any new lines. /var/log/messages is a log file |
| 08:41.01 | jm_ | Canna: yes |
| 08:41.13 | neo_ | So how does that help me? |
| 08:41.49 | NET||abuse | can anyone help me debug this mount issue? |
| 08:41.53 | wireddd | neo_, it will tell you the vender and model of your usb thumb drive |
| 08:41.59 | dondelelcaro | NET||abuse: just ask your question |
| 08:42.02 | neo_ | Oh |
| 08:42.09 | bibe | dondelelcaro : ok, thank you very much |
| 08:42.34 | dondelelcaro | bibe: #debian-boot is where they are; there's also a debian-installer@lists.debian.org mailing list iirc. |
| 08:42.37 | NET||abuse | Yeh, i've got an fstab entry, and i try to mount the output is at http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/R0yjM247.html |
| 08:43.15 | NET||abuse | it won't link to the share |
| 08:43.22 | neo_ | It says look for a line like this: Vendor: USB 2.0 Model: Flash Disk Rev: 3000 |
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| 08:43.27 | bibe | dondelelcaro : thanks again, have a nice day |
| 08:43.34 | Canna | jm_: and those 2 things will be all I need to do (mount it after) |
| 08:43.41 | neo_ | but then the instructions get kinda weird |
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| 08:44.03 | jm_ | Canna: yup |
| 08:44.20 | dondelelcaro | bibe: np |
| 08:44.21 | Canna | also, I mounted it to see the NTFS files in there, I have to unmount it before fdisk right or else shit will go horribly wrong? |
| 08:44.38 | jm_ | be careful if you already have files on it |
| 08:44.42 | jm_ | well data |
| 08:44.53 | wireddd | neo_, echo 'BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="Flash Disk", NAME{all_partitions}="usbkey%n"' >> /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules ; |
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| 08:45.45 | dondelelcaro | NET||abuse: user does not mean the same thing to mount.cifs as it does to the rest of the mount programs. |
| 08:45.57 | dondelelcaro | NET||abuse: see mount.cifs |
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| 08:46.39 | Canna | jm_:I backed it all up, its all ready to go, although theres a lot of tv shows on there I didnt bother to back up, if I could check for bad blocks under the ntfs filesystem maybe i would try that for a little while... Its not possible is it? |
| 08:46.39 | neo_ | But that doesn't do anything |
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| 08:47.02 | jm_ | Canna: badblocks reports bad sectors, but it won't really help you with NTFS |
| 08:47.13 | Canna | I mean not only check, but mark and not use the bad blocks too, I guess that wouldnt work because files are already written to them |
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| 08:47.30 | Canna | yeah... any linux filesystem is fine right? |
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| 08:47.42 | neo_ | I'm completely lost |
| 08:47.43 | NET||abuse | dondelelcaro, i tried it with username=winuser,user in the cifs line to mean that user can mount, still had issues |
| 08:47.50 | NET||abuse | exact same error message |
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| 08:48.03 | fooz | Canna, the filesystem has to have a bad blocks mechanism that linux knows about |
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| 08:48.11 | fooz | so badblocks can tell the FS not to use those anymore |
| 08:48.18 | fooz | that only works with ext2 really |
| 08:48.36 | dondelelcaro | NET||abuse: again, man mount.cifs; user does not mean the same thing to mount.cifs as it does to most other filesystems. |
| 08:48.43 | neo_ | If at all possible, could you tell me word for word what needs to be done? |
| 08:48.44 | Canna | fooz: so I have to make sure I use ext2 when I fdisk? |
| 08:48.45 | joeyjones | could someone tell me how to remove all old files from old installs of apache and apache2? |
| 08:48.46 | wireddd | neo_, that adds that line to the end of the file /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules |
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| 08:49.00 | neo_ | Which serves what purpose? |
| 08:49.03 | dondelelcaro | joeyjones: use dpkg --prurge apache apache2; |
| 08:49.03 | fooz | Canna, ... |
| 08:49.09 | dondelelcaro | s/pr/p/ |
| 08:49.13 | fooz | Canna, if you have a bad disk, you should throw it away and buy a new one, not fdisk it |
| 08:49.22 | Canna | also I cannot unmount the drive, I get /mnt/hdb1: device is busy, same if I use/dev/hdb1 |
| 08:49.43 | dondelelcaro | Canna: that means that the device is busy; use lsof to see what process has files open on it. |
| 08:49.44 | wireddd | neo_, that should make your usb drive mountable |
| 08:49.50 | joeyjones | dondelelcaro: says that it doesn't exist |
| 08:50.06 | Canna | fooz: I am buying another one, I want to mark the bad blocks and see if I can salvage it under linux, is that ok? |
| 08:50.11 | NET||abuse | dondelelcaro, ok, so user on it's own in this case doesn't mean that it is available to no root users to mount |
| 08:50.13 | neo_ | Just by plugging it in? |
| 08:50.18 | fooz | you probably can't. bad blocks spread, anyway |
| 08:50.21 | neo_ | Or do I type some thing? |
| 08:50.33 | dondelelcaro | NET||abuse: exactly. |
| 08:50.34 | NET||abuse | so how can i specify that in fstab... it's kinda the whole point of this mount, so that my non root user can see shares on my servers |
| 08:50.38 | wombachi | what's the name of the "unix2dos" utility to convert end of lines? |
| 08:50.41 | kapowaz | can somebody confirm: is this a *normal* set of dependencies for installing python? http://yuss.org/~dark/apt-get.txt |
| 08:50.53 | dondelelcaro | NET||abuse: just stick it in your fstab so it's mounted at bootup. |
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| 08:51.04 | wireddd | neo_, plug it in and try it |
| 08:51.11 | [machine] | wombachi: unix2dos |
| 08:51.14 | dondelelcaro | NET||abuse: and specify uid, gid, umask, dmask, and/or fmask appropriately. |
| 08:51.23 | neo_ | Nothing is happening |
| 08:51.29 | dondelelcaro | joeyjones: if it says that it then you've already purged it or you never had it installed. |
| 08:51.41 | NET||abuse | dondelelcaro, how can i specify uid for multiple users.... there are several users who will need to use this |
| 08:51.44 | dondelelcaro | !unix2dos |
| 08:51.44 | dpkg | methinks unix2dos is perl -pi -e 's/$/\015/;s/\n/\n\032/ if (eof);', or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or in the sysutils package in debian, or install the flip package, and use 'flip -m', or recode |
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| 08:52.08 | dondelelcaro | NET||abuse: then stick them all in a group, or do something else similar. |
| 08:52.14 | jengelh | unix2dos == perl -i -pe 's/\r\n/\n/gs' myfile.txt |
| 08:52.23 | neo_ | It just doesn't do anything |
| 08:52.31 | jengelh | unix2dos does not append ^Z |
| 08:52.46 | wombachi | dondelelcaro thanks. It will avoid me to create a perl script/one-liner :) |
| 08:52.47 | NET||abuse | dondelelcaro, ahh, group, duh |
| 08:53.05 | wireddd | neo_, run that tail command again and see if it looks different when you connect it |
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| 08:53.11 | dondelelcaro | joeyjones: that's dos2unix... |
| 08:53.22 | neo_ | with the stick in or out? |
| 08:53.34 | dondelelcaro | s/joeyjones/jengelh/ |
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| 08:53.54 | jengelh | dond: right ;) figure unix2dos out, then |
| 08:54.01 | jengelh | s/\n/\r\n/gs |
| 08:54.03 | jengelh | simple as that |
| 08:54.07 | wombachi | jengelh is that ^Z mandatory for windows boxes (not DOS) to mark end of file ? |
| 08:54.15 | jengelh | No, ^Z is not mandatory at all. |
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| 08:54.29 | neo_ | In or out? |
| 08:54.34 | Canna | What hex code is ext2 in fdisk?? |
| 08:54.34 | jengelh | ^Z is only ever used like ^D on Linux (EOF, otherwise no) |
| 08:54.39 | wireddd | neo_, tail and then stick it in |
| 08:54.43 | Canna | I only see Extended on the list |
| 08:54.50 | jengelh | and you don't have ^Ds in Linux files either |
| 08:55.06 | SilverMoonDragon | Canna, use the linux code |
| 08:55.11 | jengelh | simply put, cat'ing a file under DOS will stop at the first ^Z |
| 08:55.12 | dondelelcaro | joeyjones: you can... |
| 08:55.19 | SilverMoonDragon | Canna, 82 i think |
| 08:55.20 | dondelelcaro | s/joeyjones/jengelh/ |
| 08:55.23 | jengelh | 82 == swap |
| 08:55.27 | joeyjones | lol |
| 08:55.28 | wombachi | jengelh On win32, perl stops reading a txt file if it encounters ^Z (unless using binmode). I learn it the hard way |
| 08:55.28 | jengelh | 83 == linux (any) |
| 08:55.32 | Canna | is it 85 linux extended? |
| 08:55.36 | jengelh | wombachi : that's what I said |
| 08:55.42 | SilverMoonDragon | Canna, 83 |
| 08:55.42 | kapowaz | anybody able to help with a dependency problem? |
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| 08:55.46 | dondelelcaro | jengelh: I have quite a few files with ^D in them... |
| 08:55.48 | kapowaz | with apt-get ? |
| 08:56.00 | jengelh | you get the idea |
| 08:56.04 | Canna | alright, how do I make sure I use ext2 because thats what fooz said would work |
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| 08:56.31 | SilverMoonDragon | Canna, not ext3? you just do mkfs.ext2 <device-name> |
| 08:56.34 | jengelh | uh |
| 08:56.39 | joeyjones | dondelelcaro: how do i restart apache? |
| 08:56.46 | jengelh | you can even use something else than 82 or 83... linux does not care too much |
| 08:57.00 | wombachi | jengelh sorry, I dont read&type fast enough (I'm not a native speaker). Thanks anyway |
| 08:57.18 | wireddd | joeyjones, /etc/init.d/apache2 stop; /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 08:57.18 | dondelelcaro | joeyjones: /etc/init.d/apache restart; |
| 08:57.31 | jengelh | sparc even has things that have nothing to do with filesystems, but you could mount it anyhow if there was one |
| 08:57.32 | jengelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.35 | Canna | silvermoondragon: thanks |
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| 08:57.42 | SilverMoonDragon | Canna, no probs |
| 08:57.44 | Canna | I got an error |
| 08:58.09 | Canna | re-reading partiton table failed with error 22 |
| 08:58.10 | dondelelcaro | that's generally just /dev/sda... and you can mount that in linux if you've stuck a filesystem on it |
| 08:58.17 | kapowaz | surely somebody here can help... |
| 08:58.31 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 08:58.32 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 08:58.35 | SilverMoonDragon | Canna, you gotta restart or run partprobe after changing the partition table |
| 08:58.44 | Canna | invalid argument, kernel stilll uses the old table; new one will be used at reboot; syncing disks |
| 08:58.50 | SilverMoonDragon | kapowaz, ask |
| 08:58.57 | Canna | ok, thats all right? |
| 08:59.01 | Canna | thats all i thought it meant |
| 08:59.07 | SilverMoonDragon | Canna, restart or run partprobe |
| 08:59.10 | neo_ | Still NOTHING |
| 08:59.13 | Canna | just restart then mkfs? |
| 08:59.16 | kapowaz | SilverMoonDragon: When I try to install Python I get this output from apt-get: http://yuss.org/~dark/apt-get.txt |
| 08:59.30 | kapowaz | that's a mighty long list of dependencies |
| 08:59.41 | kapowaz | including removing some that surely can't be related (that I don't want removed) |
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| 09:00.08 | wireddd | neo_, what do you mean nothing |
| 09:00.11 | kapowaz | how can python depend on mysql 5? |
| 09:00.17 | joeyjones | dondelelcaro: i have apache2 and php4 installed, how do i make apache2 laod php4? |
| 09:00.27 | neo_ | as in it still dosn't do anything when I plug it in |
| 09:00.33 | dondelelcaro | kapowaz: those are going to be installed because you've got packages on your system which depend upon them, or youv'e requested that they be installed. |
| 09:00.35 | kapowaz | I also get an error when I try to install trac (which is why I tried to manually install python): |
| 09:00.36 | nicoco | hello i'd like some help about setting up a proftpd server behind a nat... |
| 09:00.48 | kapowaz | dondelelcaro: I most certainly didn't request them... only python. |
| 09:00.55 | kapowaz | besides, why would it be attempting to remove guile? |
| 09:01.02 | neo_ | joey, you must add the .php into the apapche file |
| 09:01.04 | kapowaz | I don't want to remove guile |
| 09:01.23 | kapowaz | or libreadline |
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| 09:01.28 | kapowaz | as that's needed for ruby on rails |
| 09:01.30 | SilverMoonDragon | kapowaz, it might be that the version of mysql client you have will not run with the new version of python |
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| 09:01.37 | wireddd | ok neo_ plug it in and then run dmesg |
| 09:02.02 | SilverMoonDragon | kapowaz, try asking on #python |
| 09:02.09 | wombachi | joeyjones for Apache 1.x, something like "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php3" in httpd.conf |
| 09:02.10 | neo_ | done |
| 09:02.58 | wireddd | neo_, cut and paste that output to here http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:02.59 | kapowaz | SilverMoonDragon: ok, thanks |
| 09:03.29 | dondelelcaro | kapowaz: then tell apt-get to remove them. mysql is probably a dependency of trac, and guile is being removed cause it depends on libreadline4 most likely. |
| 09:04.00 | dondelelcaro | kapowaz: you'll have to give the full apt-cache policy; output that I've requested, with apt-cache show for the conflicting packages if you want more help than that though, since you've installed unofficial packages. |
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| 09:04.38 | kapowaz | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 09:05.07 | dondelelcaro | !depends libguile9 sarge |
| 09:05.09 | neo_ | I thought it was AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .html |
| 09:05.14 | dpkg | libguile9: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libltdl3 (>= 1.5-3), libncurses5 (>= 5.3.20030510-1), libreadline4 (>= 4.3-1) |
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| 09:05.31 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you know if gallery-perl supports .htaccess yet? |
| 09:05.47 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no clue |
| 09:07.01 | neo_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2260. |
| 09:07.08 | neo_ | There ^^^^^^^^^^ wireddd |
| 09:07.39 | neo_ | joeyjones, didi it work? |
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| 09:09.09 | Sonic^Work | I use some GNOME1 apps. How to change their look and feel? |
| 09:09.12 | joeyjones | neo_: i think it might when i restart |
| 09:09.24 | Sonic^Work | There should be GNOME1 control center somewhere... But where? |
| 09:10.05 | neo_ | cool |
| 09:10.14 | joeyjones | neo_: how do is et a mime type? |
| 09:10.27 | neo_ | Huh? |
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| 09:10.42 | neo_ | is et a? |
| 09:10.55 | wireddd | I set a |
| 09:11.01 | neo_ | Oh |
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| 09:11.24 | joeyjones | so php4 laods php files |
| 09:11.40 | neo_ | you just add the .??? that matches Mime as I remmeber, although I might be wrong |
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| 09:13.07 | joeyjones | seems right... |
| 09:13.18 | joeyjones | atleast in the mime.type folder |
| 09:13.20 | wireddd | neo_, try and modprobe usb-storage |
| 09:13.31 | wireddd | and then plug it in and dmesg |
| 09:14.10 | joeyjones | to set a mimetype do i jsyut set it in mime.type or else where as well? |
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| 09:17.58 | liable | yay, thunderbird decided to delete my mail archives. |
| 09:18.27 | SilverMoonDragon | anyone knows of a pacman clone packaged on debian? |
| 09:18.44 | jm_ | pacman - Chase Monsters in a Labyrinth |
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| 09:19.12 | SilverMoonDragon | jm_, thanks |
| 09:19.31 | row | rofl apt-cache search would of given you that SilverMoonDragon |
| 09:19.37 | row | thats been lazy |
| 09:19.43 | row | apt-cache search pacman....... |
| 09:19.53 | liable | who woulda thought?? :) |
| 09:20.21 | SilverMoonDragon | row, err.... didn't know that |
| 09:20.24 | SilverMoonDragon | row, thanks |
| 09:20.29 | row | and you use debian? |
| 09:20.52 | row | its a basic debain package searching tool |
| 09:21.05 | SilverMoonDragon | row, thanks |
| 09:21.16 | Gumby | anyone here have an ipod and use linux to sync an ipods files to their pc? |
| 09:21.30 | sep | Gumby, ipods are evil |
| 09:21.36 | Gumby | sep: lol |
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| 09:21.54 | Gumby | sep: thats pretty much irrelivant to my question though |
| 09:21.58 | SilverMoonDragon | Gumby, any probs? |
| 09:22.06 | row | they look lubly |
| 09:22.28 | wols_ | but it's a sony |
| 09:22.33 | Gumby | SilverMoonDragon: just trying t figure out an app to sync from ipod to pc. trying out gtkpod but its not very straight forward on how to do that |
| 09:22.44 | SilverMoonDragon | Gumby, # apt-cache search ipod |
| 09:22.44 | SilverMoonDragon | gnupod-tools - A collection of Perl-scripts for iPod |
| 09:22.44 | SilverMoonDragon | gtkpod - manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod |
| 09:22.58 | row | nothing wrong with sony, my old sony mini disc was one of the best buys I ever mad, used it for years had long play amazing battery life it was lovely. |
| 09:23.23 | row | SilverMoonDragon found a new toy ;) |
| 09:23.31 | alexander | row: sony have the evil rootkits you know |
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| 09:23.41 | joeyjones | how do you change a user password in mysql? |
| 09:23.50 | SilverMoonDragon | row, yeah ;) |
| 09:23.54 | wols_ | not to mention the shitty, proprietary, DRM laden hardware |
| 09:24.04 | row | joeyjones: either update the uer stable then flush privileges or use mysqladmin |
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| 09:24.08 | Gumby | SilverMoonDragon: thats great, its not finding the apps I am having issues with, its using them. |
| 09:24.12 | wireddd | Gumby, have you tried amarok? |
| 09:24.29 | joeyjones | row: so how do i do the users table thing? |
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| 09:24.43 | Gumby | SilverMoonDragon: gtkpod is asking to write directories to the same directory I have the ipod mounted to. Those dirs already exist. |
| 09:25.01 | Gumby | wireddd: no I havnt, will it xfer from ipod to hdd? |
| 09:25.20 | row | use mysq;UPDATE user SET Password = PASSWORD('foo') WHERE user = 'bar';flush privileges; |
| 09:25.21 | tarzeau | hahaha www.bash.org pwned |
| 09:25.29 | alexander | wols_: Yeah, Sony seems to love everything that's proprietary. They have some cool hardware, though. :-) |
| 09:25.37 | liable | SilverMoonDragon: dude, get with the times :) |
| 09:25.48 | streuner | tarzeau: what's so funny about? |
| 09:25.50 | DAaaMan64 | what's a quality smtp server w/ gui? |
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| 09:25.55 | SilverMoonDragon | liable, who needs one when you have a computer? |
| 09:25.59 | row | gui! |
| 09:26.02 | joeyjones | row: so where do i put that? |
| 09:26.03 | streuner | DAaa: heh? |
| 09:26.05 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: there ain't such a thing |
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| 09:26.11 | streuner | DAaaMan64: heh? |
| 09:26.15 | row | joeyjones: mysql -u root -p :) |
| 09:26.15 | joeyjones | row: this is ym second day on linux so iunno much |
| 09:26.16 | row | on the cmd lin |
| 09:26.17 | tarzeau | streuner: it's funny and it sucks |
| 09:26.18 | DAaaMan64 | no front end huh? |
| 09:26.22 | alexander | SilverMoonDragon: It's not easy to walk around with a full blown computer |
| 09:26.30 | SilverMoonDragon | alexander, point |
| 09:26.34 | row | joeyjones: you type it in the mysql cli |
| 09:26.36 | tarzeau | streuner: at least the paypal link still works |
| 09:26.40 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: why would you _need_ a frontend again. it just doesn't make any sense |
| 09:26.41 | liable | SilverMoonDragon: um, well, when you say it like that, i guess i am in the same boat (unles you count my car mp3 player) :) |
| 09:26.42 | SilverMoonDragon | alexander, but i dont go out much |
| 09:26.45 | wireddd | Gumby, yes it will, though I don't have an ipod, but they do have a channel, #amarok |
| 09:26.47 | streuner | DAaaMan64: dpkg-reconfigure <MTA>-template |
| 09:26.47 | Gumby | wireddd: I'm not really wanting to install all the deps having to do with amarok on my server. |
| 09:26.51 | alexander | SilverMoonDragon: obviously ;-) |
| 09:26.59 | jm_ | liable: in-dash player? |
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| 09:27.05 | row | joeyjones |
| 09:27.06 | row | sorry |
| 09:27.06 | wireddd | Gumby, yeah it is a gui app |
| 09:27.07 | row | wait |
| 09:27.13 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: use exim4, postfix or if you must qmail |
| 09:27.14 | row | use mysq;UPDATE user SET Password = PASSWORD('foo') WHERE User = 'bar';flush privileges; <-- that works |
| 09:27.15 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe |
| 09:27.22 | row | I forgot User has a cap U |
| 09:27.23 | row | :P |
| 09:27.23 | DAaaMan64 | wols_ I am not going to be doing much witht his sucker except for development, so the easier less hassle, the better I sleep. |
| 09:27.33 | Gumby | wireddd: its not just a gui app, it's got huge deps |
| 09:27.35 | Sonic^Work | I use some GNOME1 apps. How to change their look and feel? |
| 09:27.37 | Sonic^Work | There should be GNOME1 control center somewhere... But where? |
| 09:27.44 | liable | jm_: yeah. only cheap one, but i love having ~4 hours of music on one cd |
| 09:27.46 | SilverMoonDragon | DAaaMan64, qmail is the best mail server i ever used, but i would suggest you compile it yourself |
| 09:27.46 | DAaaMan64 | So than what is a good smtp server? |
| 09:27.54 | streuner | DAaa: for an MTA you need some knowledge... |
| 09:28.03 | row | I am a postfix man tbh |
| 09:28.04 | jm_ | liable: I had it too in my old car, but it doesn't fit in current one :( |
| 09:28.07 | streuner | !start an MTA war |
| 09:28.07 | dpkg | exim owns |
| 09:28.13 | wols_ | SilverMoonDragon: wtong. it's icky especially for people new to mail. VERY icky |
| 09:28.27 | wols_ | qmail was ok when the only competition was sendmail but not anymore |
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| 09:28.28 | tarzeau | row: user has a L at the beginning! |
| 09:28.29 | SilverMoonDragon | DAaaMan64, qmail's installation is the only tough part. the rest is pretty easy provided you patch it with right patches |
| 09:28.30 | liable | jm_: theres lots of long lonely roads over here, without a radio station in site.. :) |
| 09:28.42 | joeyjones | ERROR 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mysq' at line 1 |
| 09:28.43 | streuner | wols: tell that Zugschlus :-)... |
| 09:28.45 | tarzeau | Sonic^Work: gtk-theme-switcher, it has both versions |
| 09:28.53 | tarzeau | Sonic^Work: which app is it exaclty? some apps are really bad |
| 09:28.56 | nevyn | qmail doesn't support spf domain keys etc without patches |
| 09:28.58 | row | joeyjones user mysql |
| 09:28.59 | row | sorry |
| 09:29.02 | wols_ | SilverMoonDragon: patching? the thing has to work out of the box. you want to give someone software that needs patches when he actually wanted a gui? |
| 09:29.03 | row | I left the L off |
| 09:29.05 | SilverMoonDragon | wols_, wmail has a nice web gui admin and intgrates well with webmin |
| 09:29.07 | row | all this talk of Ls |
| 09:29.08 | jm_ | liable: no such problem for me, but they all play modern crap or talk a lot |
| 09:29.08 | streuner | !start an MTA war |
| 09:29.08 | dpkg | sendmail systems are liable to be r00ted |
| 09:29.09 | DAaaMan64 | SilverMoonDragon: this would only be for development, are you sure it would be nessesary for compiling? |
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| 09:29.10 | liable | jm_: push harder! make it fit! :) |
| 09:29.14 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 09:29.14 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 09:29.20 | row | ew webmin |
| 09:29.25 | DAaaMan64 | Again all this will be doing is sending text based emails. |
| 09:29.34 | jm_ | liable: well it's not because of space, but it would look ugly so I left the original in |
| 09:29.45 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: debian already installed exim4 for your. just keep it |
| 09:29.54 | Sonic^Work | tarzeau: These are gcvs and rapidsvn |
| 09:29.58 | liable | jm_: ah, exotic car? |
| 09:30.00 | streuner | DAaa: ok, set it up only using your relay server (ISP) then |
| 09:30.04 | joeyjones | row: so mysql;UPDATE user SET Password = PASSWORD('foo') WHERE User = 'bar';flush privileges; |
| 09:30.08 | Sonic^Work | They ignore theme set with gtk-theme-switcher |
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| 09:30.12 | SilverMoonDragon | ok, so you can create domains by hand. but that will be the only thing that requires command line |
| 09:30.16 | row | joeyjones: yep that should do it |
| 09:30.19 | SilverMoonDragon | !qmail |
| 09:30.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
| 09:30.28 | streuner | DAaaMan64: ok, set it up only using your relay server (ISP) then |
| 09:30.34 | row | joeyjones: ofcourse change user and password do what you want :) |
| 09:30.40 | row | do/to |
| 09:30.45 | streuner | DAaaMan64: should be enough for that matter |
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| 09:30.58 | Trent | -bash: cd: /usr/local/tools: Not a directory |
| 09:30.58 | Trent | debian:~# mkdir /usr/local/tools |
| 09:30.58 | Trent | mkdir: `/usr/local/tools' exists but is not a directory |
| 09:31.04 | Trent | how do i acces the dir other then using cd? |
| 09:31.17 | DAaaMan64 | I don't have a domain name yet :p was hoping to get by on my ipaddress, the emails would be only going to myself. If this isn't doable I can figure out another way till it comes time. |
| 09:31.19 | jm_ | liable: no, but all modern cars often have non-standard radios - I could fit it if I could buy a special mask, but chasing some store for it ended up in nothing after one year, damn pizza freaks (Italians) |
| 09:31.37 | row | <Trent> mkdir: `/usr/local/tools' exists but is not a directory <--- READ THAT. |
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| 09:31.43 | row | its NOT a directory |
| 09:31.47 | row | you can't cd into a file. |
| 09:31.56 | liable | jm_: ferrari!? or alpha?? |
| 09:32.08 | streuner | DAaaMan64: you don't need a domain sending mails, only you wanna set up your own server |
| 09:32.09 | Trent | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.09 | Trent | cd /usr/local/tools |
| 09:32.14 | Trent | im reading of a tutorial |
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| 09:32.22 | Trent | so /usr/local/tools is a file? |
| 09:32.32 | row | Trent: use your brain |
| 09:32.34 | row | its tgz |
| 09:32.36 | jm_ | liable: naah, Honda Civic |
| 09:32.42 | wols_ | Trent: then understand it better. you just copied the tar.gz file to the filename "tools" |
| 09:32.47 | row | you have renamed hping2.0.0-rc1.tar.gz to tools |
| 09:32.48 | joeyjones | row: ERROR 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mysql' at line 1 |
| 09:32.53 | liable | jm_: huh? thats not italian! |
| 09:32.58 | jm_ | liable: I said pizza makers because local store is purchasing those masks from them ;) |
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| 09:33.07 | liable | jm_: ah, haha :) |
| 09:33.22 | row | joeyjones: pm me exactly what you typed but remove the password ofocurse |
| 09:33.31 | DAaaMan64 | steuner: ok, so I don't need a domain, just need my comp and port open, and my RoR project going and it should work right? |
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| 09:34.09 | streuner | DAaaMan64: big advantage of using the relay server of your ISP is, you don't need to deal with other mail providers who don't accept your server then... |
| 09:34.45 | dondelelcaro | `/sb> |
| 09:35.03 | wols_ | streuner: trouble is you need a relayserver accepting your mail in the first place. e.g my ISP wants 2,95 for that "priviledge" |
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| 09:35.56 | DAaaMan64 | streuner: so what program do you recomend? and if wols_ is right, then I probably can't do a relay server, can I not do with my ip addresss if the emails will only go to myself anyway? |
| 09:35.59 | joeyjones | row: getting those? |
| 09:36.07 | streuner | well, your ISP sucks then, if they want extra money for just sending mails |
| 09:36.33 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: it depends on your ISP. some are better, some worse. mine is worse |
| 09:36.43 | FlopsyPete | My Evolution is hanging soon after startup, it shows mailboex in its tree then the various panes go blank with the status bar message 'formatting message'. Could this be an individual broken email? |
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| 09:37.06 | DAaaMan64 | wols_ I am on qwest, gurenteed blows, so, can I use my ipaddress or not? |
| 09:37.30 | wols_ | and email doesn't to IPs. you can use a fake domain if all is local stuff only. or get a dyndns one |
| 09:37.32 | DAaaMan64 | example: DAaaMan64@192.168.0.1 |
| 09:37.36 | SilverMoonDragon | heh, when you run apt-get without any arguments, it says This APT has Super Cow Powers. :) |
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| 09:37.45 | wols_ | while it most probably will work with IPs, nothing is guaranteed there |
| 09:37.47 | jm_ | SilverMoonDragon: off course, apt-get moo |
| 09:37.57 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: your box has a hostname. use it |
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| 09:38.11 | joeyjones | wols_: what did you help me with last night? |
| 09:38.12 | SilverMoonDragon | jm_, what does that do? it is not documented atleast |
| 09:38.14 | wols_ | DAaaMan64@rorserver |
| 09:38.19 | joeyjones | remember? |
| 09:38.26 | jm_ | SilverMoonDragon: try it! |
| 09:38.28 | wols_ | joeyjones: why or how should I know? |
| 09:38.33 | joeyjones | llo |
| 09:38.36 | joeyjones | *lol |
| 09:38.36 | sep | SilverMoonDragon, try apt-get moo |
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| 09:38.48 | DAaaMan64 | wols_ I don't understand what you mean by hostname really :( |
| 09:38.52 | SilverMoonDragon | you sure it wont do anything bad? |
| 09:38.56 | joeyjones | cause i remember being in the middle of it when i went to bed |
| 09:39.02 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: enter "hostname" and you will see |
| 09:39.04 | jm_ | well if making you laugh is bad then don't run it |
| 09:39.06 | yooser | do it! :p |
| 09:39.08 | SilverMoonDragon | i mean, i'm not running stable jlt |
| 09:39.10 | sep | SilverMoonDragon, you dont trust madmen on irc ? :) |
| 09:39.15 | DAaaMan64 | hahah it was cool |
| 09:39.20 | DAaaMan64 | apt-get moo hahaha |
| 09:39.39 | wols_ | !moo |
| 09:39.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 09:39.41 | SilverMoonDragon | hahaa |
| 09:39.42 | DAaaMan64 | ahh so it would be DAaaMan64@govinda |
| 09:39.44 | sep | !moo |
| 09:39.57 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: yes for starters. much better than a IP |
| 09:39.58 | sep | wols_, darn you beat me too it |
| 09:40.00 | SilverMoonDragon | cool! |
| 09:40.17 | DAaaMan64 | but it wouldn't be local really I was hoping it would go to my gmail account, is that possible at this point? |
| 09:40.19 | wols_ | yooser: you need to "install" her |
| 09:40.26 | wols_ | search with apt-cache before helps too |
| 09:40.27 | streuner | DAaaMan64: nope |
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| 09:40.35 | streuner | DAaaMan64: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 09:40.41 | yooser | heheh |
| 09:40.50 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: it is. I use gmail as my relay for example |
| 09:40.52 | joeyjones | wols_: do you know how to change a user password in mysql in the mysql console? |
| 09:41.01 | sep | wols_, it's not in the official sources i thin kyou need to add the unofficial |
| 09:41.14 | DAaaMan64 | wols_: I can use gmail as a hostname for my smtp server? |
| 09:41.33 | wols_ | joeyjones: nope. but the mysql manual has a way. it shows you how to add a user, but it also can be used to change pws I guess. easiest way might be phpmyadmin tho |
| 09:41.36 | liable | huh? |
| 09:41.40 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: NO |
| 09:41.45 | wols_ | you can use gmail as a relay |
| 09:41.55 | streuner | !listvals relay |
| 09:41.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'relay' by value (15 of 28): dlci ;; dul ;; ircd ;; nullmailer ;; open relay ;; relaycheck ;; relaychecker ;; rfc1168 ;; rfc1294 ;; rfc1490 ;; rfc1586 ;; rfc1604 ;; rfc2156 ;; smarthost ;; spews. |
| 09:42.10 | streuner | hm |
| 09:42.12 | wols_ | !smarthost |
| 09:42.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 09:42.16 | joeyjones | wols_: got phpmyadmin but can't figure out passwd change |
| 09:42.27 | wols_ | then read the mysql manual |
| 09:43.34 | streuner | DAaaMan64: smarthost is a relay server, such as for example gmx or aol or any other server which use POP (IMAP), it stores the mail and send it to the other |
| 09:44.11 | wols_ | streuner: ahem |
| 09:44.13 | streuner | DAaaMan64: you sent the data (mail) and this server takes care about |
| 09:44.42 | streuner | DAaaMan64: OR (wols) you sent the data to the server (relay) and the server takes care about |
| 09:44.55 | NET||abuse | i do cat /proc/filsystems and i get no mention of cifs or smbfs |
| 09:44.56 | DAaaMan64 | streuner so if the relay server does this for me, what do I need to send it to the relay server. |
| 09:45.01 | streuner | DAaaMan64: POP (IMAP) to get mails |
| 09:45.05 | NET||abuse | does this mean the needed modules aren't installed? |
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| 09:45.11 | streuner | DAaaMan64: SMTP to sent mails |
| 09:45.20 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: often servers you send mail to (notably AOL but many others too) won't accept mail from so called "dialup IP ranges" which includes broadband. reason is, 9 out of 10 times it's some guy with a worm like sober acting as a spam spewing machine |
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| 09:45.52 | streuner | DAaaMan64: as i told you before, just set up the MTA (exim, postfix...) to use a smarthost |
| 09:45.53 | SilverMoonDragon | pacman does not work on my system! i will die of boredom! somone help me! it's an emergency! |
| 09:46.00 | SilverMoonDragon | *someone |
| 09:46.04 | DAaaMan64 | This is all very confusing and stupid. hmmmmm.... |
| 09:46.14 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: the solution is to use a relayhost which does accept mail from you and which then forwards them mail to the destination mailserver like aol |
| 09:46.25 | jm_ | SilverMoonDragon: get xkobo |
| 09:46.29 | SilverMoonDragon | X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) |
| 09:46.42 | streuner | wols_: that's what we told him before earlier too ;-) |
| 09:46.57 | streuner | (dialup) |
| 09:47.04 | DAaaMan64 | so using an smtp server, I would send it to smarthost, which would then send it to my destination email address right? |
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| 09:47.15 | streuner | or static IP's, most even accept static IP's either... |
| 09:47.19 | SilverMoonDragon | jm_, thanks! i owe my life to you! ;) |
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| 09:48.03 | streuner | DAaaMan64: s/smtp server/MTA/ |
| 09:48.24 | streuner | you are using an MTA (exim, postfix...) |
| 09:48.29 | streuner | !mta |
| 09:48.30 | dpkg | mta is, like, a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 09:48.32 | DAaaMan64 | smarthost/smtp/MTA |
| 09:48.33 | SilverMoonDragon | jm_, it is installing kobodeluxe instead |
| 09:49.02 | wols_ | streuner: yes, but we didn't tell him the full story :) |
| 09:49.09 | liable | !mail tutorial |
| 09:49.09 | dpkg | well, mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 09:49.18 | liable | dpkg: ^^ |
| 09:49.18 | dpkg | /kick gil |
| 09:49.22 | liable | grr |
| 09:49.27 | liable | dpkg: shuddup |
| 09:49.27 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 09:49.33 | streuner | wols_: heh? :-) |
| 09:49.35 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: yes that's right |
| 09:49.42 | SilverMoonDragon | dpkg, are you really a bot? |
| 09:49.59 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 09:50.00 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 09:50.03 | DAaaMan64 | dpkg shutted up |
| 09:50.14 | SilverMoonDragon | !blootbot |
| 09:50.14 | dpkg | i guess blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 09:50.57 | jm_ | SilverMoonDragon: ahh didn't know about it, it's even nicer |
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| 09:51.29 | DAaaMan64 | SO smarthost --> smtp --> MTA |
| 09:51.30 | SilverMoonDragon | jm_, doesnt seem like pacman |
| 09:51.40 | jm_ | SilverMoonDragon: no. but it's funs |
| 09:51.42 | SilverMoonDragon | jm_, but looks good |
| 09:51.42 | jm_ | fun |
| 09:51.46 | streuner | DAaaMan64: NO |
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| 09:52.07 | streuner | DAaaMan64: read what liable told you |
| 09:52.09 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: you mix a lot of things like cars, apples and shit |
| 09:52.19 | wols_ | they have as much in common as your 3 words there |
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| 09:52.28 | streuner | DAaaMan64: and read the MAIL-Tutorial at tldp.org |
| 09:52.46 | DAaaMan64 | This is very annoying work for just development, I would be better to just give up, as this looks like solid days work. |
| 09:52.59 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: btw: if you want to send mail tot he outside (like gmail) you need a FQDN which is resolvable by normal DNS not just "govinda" |
| 09:53.14 | SilverMoonDragon | jm_, it is sooooo COOOOOL! thanks! |
| 09:53.15 | DAaaMan64 | hahah, yeah I am done. :p |
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| 09:53.32 | wols_ | DAaaMan64: you make it complicated. 75% chance it already works "out of the box". why don't you just try it? |
| 09:54.07 | streuner | the chances are 0 errcent |
| 09:54.12 | streuner | percent |
| 09:54.25 | DAaaMan64 | what do you mean 0% |
| 09:54.33 | streuner | if he using postfix he have to know that postfix runs in chroot too |
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| 09:55.25 | marb | hello |
| 09:55.31 | streuner | as we told you before, without reading you can't setup an MTA |
| 09:55.40 | streuner | you can try, of course |
| 09:56.04 | joeyjones | with webalizer do i have to setup a cron job? |
| 09:56.22 | DAaaMan64 | naahhh, I better come back to this at a later date, didn't realize what I was getting into. Thanks for the info, bookmarkin' this mail howto. |
| 09:56.37 | streuner | read it |
| 09:56.43 | streuner | not bookmarkin it |
| 09:56.53 | sep | joeyjones, read in /usr/share/doc/webalizer |
| 09:57.05 | wols_ | streuner: all he wants is sending some mail, nothing else |
| 09:57.16 | streuner | bookmarkin means, its would be good to read, but only in 1 % of all cases you read it then |
| 09:57.19 | wols_ | unless the receiving MTA has a DNSRBL, it will work |
| 09:57.28 | wols_ | out of the box, the way debian installs it all |
| 09:57.46 | streuner | wols_: no |
| 09:57.54 | streuner | wols_: we told him that too |
| 09:58.55 | streuner | wols_: but it could be that he didn't unterstand it .... |
| 09:59.31 | DAaaMan64 | really guys, I was just looking to save time. I will comeback to this later. I am information overwhelmed as it is. |
| 09:59.53 | __g0r8y__ | Hello, when trying to add printer drivers to samba share, (either via the wizzard in xp or rpclient addriver) the last two things i see are "connect to service print$ initially as user bleh (uid=1002, gid=1002) (pid 2265)" then smbd/service.c:close_cnum(830) then closed connection to service print$ |
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| 10:00.36 | __g0r8y__ | on the xp mahcine i get access denied... |
| 10:00.43 | __g0r8y__ | im nto sure whats denied =/ |
| 10:01.41 | streuner | and you don't want that people setting up open relays, do you? |
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| 10:02.25 | wols_ | well, debian doesn't install any MTA as open relay |
| 10:02.28 | wols_ | that's all it can do |
| 10:02.58 | DAaaMan64 | I don't really know what you mean, but ultimately this will be a website that just varifies username and password, right now I am just developing in early stages this can be a later added thing. |
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| 10:04.54 | DAaaMan64 | gthanks for the information wols_ and steuner :) |
| 10:05.15 | joeyjones | how do i make a cronjob that runs every 5 monutes? |
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| 10:09.09 | jm_ | joeyjones: man 5 crontab |
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| 10:11.08 | emergo | when I run java I get this |
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| 10:11.43 | Tripnotik | jm_, I just booted Debian inside FC5 ... the joy of apt-get is back :0 |
| 10:11.59 | emergo | I get this error running java from the /bin dir java: Permission denied |
| 10:12.04 | joeyjones | jm_: that didn't help... |
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| 10:15.24 | marb | Could You help me with instalation fo the nvidia driver. After instalation the X server doesn't stand up, part of the xorg.0.log: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!, UnloadModule: "nvidia", Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 10:15.35 | marb | I really don't know what is wrong |
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| 10:18.34 | nico8481 | hi |
| 10:18.50 | nico8481 | how are called the < and > characters ? |
| 10:19.05 | wols_ | marb: it clearly says it can't load the kernel module |
| 10:19.07 | liable | 'poi5432aq |
| 10:19.09 | liable | ";puyjrgasz 788/' |
| 10:19.10 | blondie | less-than and greater-than? |
| 10:19.16 | wols_ | nvidia.ko |
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| 10:19.22 | liable | OOPS |
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| 10:19.28 | blondie | nico8481 ^ |
| 10:19.34 | Langly | liable is copable for that mistake |
| 10:19.38 | marb | yes but I run lsmod and nvidia module is loaded |
| 10:19.57 | liable | Langly: wiping my keyboard :) |
| 10:20.05 | nico8481 | don't they have a generic name? like <> is the "diamond" operator, but i don't know their seperate names |
| 10:20.09 | wols_ | liable: having spiders again on your keyboard? or cats? |
| 10:20.13 | Langly | liable did your computer take a core dump? |
| 10:20.14 | nico8481 | "redirection" caracters? |
| 10:20.22 | strib | OK, I'm clueless. How do I tell mdadm that I want /dev/hdd1 to be treated as the sole surviving part of /dev/md0? |
| 10:20.28 | azeem | nico8481: it depends on the context |
| 10:20.35 | blondie | hatake_kakashi: I said what they are |
| 10:20.35 | liable | no just the usual build up.. |
| 10:20.38 | blondie | erm |
| 10:20.43 | blondie | nico8481: I said what they are |
| 10:20.52 | liable | erm, and by that i mean *dust*! |
| 10:20.56 | marb | i can also do rmmod nvidia and modprobe nvidia |
| 10:21.03 | nico8481 | i used them on a form to post a comment but the form interpreted them as HTML tags so i'm trying to explain it on my follow-up mail :) |
| 10:21.16 | strib | See, this is our web server and it's not booting :( |
| 10:21.25 | blondie | < is less-than and > is greater-than |
| 10:21.54 | nico8481 | ok thx |
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| 10:24.07 | tarzeau | blondie: or also < a staircase up or a ladder up |
| 10:24.15 | liable | strib: if its a raid, then it should boot from one drive. |
| 10:24.15 | tarzeau | > a staircase down or a ladder down |
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| 10:24.28 | blondie | er |
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| 10:24.38 | strib | liable: boot failed so I'm using a rescue OS |
| 10:24.53 | liable | strib: and why is that, and what level raid? |
| 10:25.19 | strib | raid1 (mirror); it failed because initrd doesn't have md built into it |
| 10:25.23 | strib | apparently |
| 10:25.49 | strib | So I want to get the os mounted, chroot into it then mkinitrd |
| 10:26.03 | tombs | hi all |
| 10:26.15 | strib | Or is there a better way to tell mkinitrd to look for md and lvm things? |
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| 10:27.07 | Stephen-wx | my friend gave me a sub domain and it's pointed to my dyndns address cause I am on dialup, how can I make the sub domain address my host on irc? |
| 10:27.50 | jm_ | Stephen-wx: it usually works for IRC only if reverse matches, which it probably doesn't for you |
| 10:27.58 | kreg_work | Stephen-wx, you need to have him put your in whatever name server is authoritive with PTR record |
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| 10:28.08 | Stephen-wx | ? |
| 10:28.12 | Stephen-wx | how? |
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| 10:28.27 | kreg_work | and what jm_ said |
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| 10:29.54 | tarzeau | http://youtube.com/watch?v=8CL2hetqpfg centipede eats mouse |
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| 10:31.34 | d4t2ilL4 | what is the root default password for mysql ? |
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| 10:31.52 | tarzeau | d4t2ilL4: /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE ? |
| 10:31.56 | tarzeau | !nickometer d4t2ilL4 |
| 10:31.58 | dpkg | 'd4t2ilL4' is 25.000% lame, tarzeau |
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| 10:32.34 | d4t2ilL4 | !nickometer tarzeau |
| 10:32.35 | dpkg | 'tarzeau' is 0.000% lame, d4t2ill4 |
| 10:32.38 | fluxdude | I got a machine that dies every night around 00:30-2am, this is what is in the /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/630502 |
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| 10:33.00 | d4t2ilL4 | dpkg, !lame tarzeau |
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| 10:33.05 | mixter | hi! i'm installing a new server with sarge, should i go for the standard 2.4-kernel or the 2.6 kernel included on the boot-cd? are there any pros/cons? |
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| 10:33.51 | tarzeau | mixter: go with 2.4 |
| 10:35.00 | mixter | tarzeau: just to be sure or are there any downsides with using the 2.6-kernel? i think all the drivers i need are included in 2.4, so i don't have to use 2.6 |
| 10:35.01 | erore | hi |
| 10:35.37 | erore | anybody knows tvoverscan option for nvidia w |
| 10:35.59 | nevyn | mixter: a number of issues exist with 2.6 imo |
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| 10:36.05 | nevyn | particlarly on slow systems |
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| 10:37.06 | dorel | can i tell xargs to take all arguments? |
| 10:37.10 | nevyn | mixter: the new kernel supports the funky tcp renegotiation tricks |
| 10:37.12 | mixter | tarzeau: nevyn: ok.. i'll go with the 2.4-kernel then... thanks! |
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| 10:37.41 | dorel | if i do 'echo "test 1234" | xargs someprogram' then it passes only 'test' as argument to the program |
| 10:37.43 | nevyn | mixter: what speed is the server? |
| 10:37.44 | mixter | nevyn: that sounds good, but i don't know how to use it :-) |
| 10:37.49 | tarzeau | dorel: remove the "" |
| 10:38.00 | tarzeau | dorel: by "a b" you say a and b is one thing |
| 10:38.04 | nevyn | mixter: echo 1>/proc/sys/net/tcp_westwood |
| 10:38.07 | ndee | hello there, I have a 2GB big log file and I would like to know, which lines comes up the most. I can't open it with an editor because my /tmp would be full and the web server would crash -> not good on a production server. How would I do that' |
| 10:38.12 | nevyn | or similar |
| 10:38.14 | tarzeau | nevyn: can i read more on that on the web? |
| 10:38.18 | mixter | nevyn: a 3ghz pentium 4 dual core, 2 gb memory |
| 10:38.29 | tarzeau | ndee: sort | uniq |
| 10:38.30 | dorel | tarzeau: thats what i want. i also want to paste it to the other program enclosed in "" |
| 10:38.36 | tarzeau | ndee: lde can open such large files |
| 10:38.41 | nevyn | mixter: SMP is way better in 2.6 |
| 10:38.51 | nevyn | mixter: but io sucks |
| 10:38.54 | tarzeau | dorel: ohhhhh |
| 10:38.57 | nevyn | anticipatory is evil |
| 10:39.07 | nevyn | it wins benchmarks but it's evil |
| 10:39.11 | mixter | tarzeau: maby here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_Westwood |
| 10:39.17 | wombachi | ndee I would use "cat bigfile | sort | uniq -c | less -S" |
| 10:39.41 | tarzeau | wombachi: i wouldn't use less |
| 10:39.49 | tarzeau | wombachi: but write it to another file first |
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| 10:39.57 | strib | I would use cat either |
| 10:40.16 | mixter | nevyn: all io? there is a 4-port sata-raid card in the machine, so the disks would be accessed through thatone, not directly on a sata/pata-bus |
| 10:40.18 | ndee | wombachi: actually, I just used "more filename" and found the culprit :) |
| 10:40.20 | ndee | but thanks anyway |
| 10:40.36 | nevyn | mixter: the problem is the io scheduler |
| 10:40.40 | wombachi | tarzeau you're right (big file). tail -50 is better candidate |
| 10:40.44 | nevyn | in that it's A new and B sucky |
| 10:40.59 | jm_ | 2.6 has three I/O schedulers to choose from |
| 10:41.24 | tarzeau | and also 3 different timer frequencies |
| 10:41.29 | tarzeau | and some other memory splitup thing |
| 10:41.35 | nevyn | jm_: and the default setting while winning benchmarks is utterly painful for interactive use |
| 10:41.39 | tarzeau | and alot of improved drivers |
| 10:41.46 | mixter | jm_: i'd like to go for the 2.6-kernel in debian in any case... i don't have the time and resources to compile kernels myself for the servers :-( |
| 10:41.57 | tarzeau | mixter: i'd compile the kernel myself |
| 10:42.01 | streuner | my desktop-box just turn off about 1-2 minutes after i turn it on |
| 10:42.02 | jm_ | nevyn: so change it if you don't like it |
| 10:42.03 | tarzeau | mixter: using make-kpkg it's really very easy |
| 10:42.10 | tarzeau | mixter: matter of 30minutes for first timers |
| 10:42.12 | citral | hmm that's strange, I've exactly the same results if I set io32_support on or off on this laptop... |
| 10:42.20 | nevyn | jm_: do we have a standardised way to tweak the kernel in debian yet? |
| 10:42.21 | streuner | could that be a power-supply issue or mobo? |
| 10:42.22 | tarzeau | mixter: and much less for someone who got used to make-kpkg |
| 10:42.30 | streuner | or something else? |
| 10:42.34 | tarzeau | streuner: could be anything |
| 10:42.37 | mixter | tarzeau: if there is a bug in the kernel, would apt-get supply new sourcecode for me then? |
| 10:42.42 | tarzeau | streuner: nobody is removing the power cord? |
| 10:42.48 | streuner | tarzeau: nah :-) |
| 10:42.50 | tarzeau | mixter: no |
| 10:43.01 | tarzeau | streuner: i'd first try to replace the psu |
| 10:43.07 | tarzeau | and then the mobo |
| 10:43.17 | streuner | tarzeau: psu is just ordered |
| 10:43.28 | jm_ | nevyn: ehh? you can do it via proc, for each device separately if you want |
| 10:43.31 | mixter | tarzeau: there's the problem :-) i could compile them, but if i do i have to stay updated with patches myself i guess. and recompile if any problems are found |
| 10:43.36 | jm_ | Neverther: sorry, sys, not proc |
| 10:43.39 | jm_ | damn |
| 10:43.56 | streuner | tarzeau: the thing is the box is turned off, but the USB-mouse light is on |
| 10:44.09 | nevyn | jm_: right.. but that isn't persistant across reboots |
| 10:44.12 | tarzeau | mixter: it's not as frequent as it was anymore |
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| 10:44.20 | tarzeau | mixter: and keeping up to date is easy with make-kpkg |
| 10:44.29 | tarzeau | streuner: added any devices? |
| 10:44.29 | mixter | tarzeau: we have about 10 debian servers to take care of, so going with the standard kernel would be nice |
| 10:44.33 | jm_ | nevyn: you can pass it on kernel command line if you don't want to write a simple init script to change it |
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| 10:44.42 | nevyn | jm_: what I'm saying is that adding a custom init script to echo a bunch of stuff into proc is evil. |
| 10:44.42 | tarzeau | mixter: we also have that many, plus 150 workstations |
| 10:44.43 | wombachi | mixter you can use the linux-source-2.6* packages to stay updated |
| 10:44.46 | streuner | tarzeau: no, only the usual stuff as always |
| 10:44.51 | pjv | is there a evolution plugin that keeps evolution on the systems tray on gnome? |
| 10:44.53 | tarzeau | mixter: the debian kernels support your hardware at all? |
| 10:44.59 | nevyn | jm_: cause that's obvious and scalable. |
| 10:45.10 | mixter | tarzeau: on this server i think it should... |
| 10:45.10 | tarzeau | mixter: build it at one place, distribute the .deb. grub is autoupdated |
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| 10:45.20 | mixter | wombachi: that sounds like a good idea |
| 10:45.26 | tarzeau | mixter: it's your baby... |
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| 10:45.51 | ehaase | is there a programming language that stands out when it comes to XML data processing? |
| 10:46.13 | nevyn | ehaase: depends what you mean? |
| 10:46.18 | mixter | tarzeau: i'll look into deb-kpkg... maby it could be done quite easily anyway... thanks! |
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| 10:46.39 | tarzeau | mixter: kernel-package, make-kpkg |
| 10:46.48 | ehaase | nevyn: i need to do a lot of XML data processing, does one language offer a lot of features/libraries to make this easier? |
| 10:46.55 | ehaase | or are they all pretty much the same? |
| 10:46.59 | tarzeau | ehaase: objective-c with gnustep librariy? |
| 10:47.02 | tarzeau | ehaase: the libxml? |
| 10:47.07 | mixter | tarzeau: so... if i compile my own kernel, should i go for the 2.4 (better io?) or the 2.6 (better smp?) |
| 10:47.12 | tarzeau | ehaase: everyone will hate you, every user, every admin |
| 10:47.19 | nevyn | most languages offer a dom libary that lets ou interact with standardish dom |
| 10:47.34 | nevyn | tarzeau: there is that.. |
| 10:47.41 | tarzeau | mixter: what does the server need to do? we still have 2.4 mostly. but i'm testing out 2.6 and run 2.6 at home now |
| 10:47.48 | tarzeau | mixter: due to debian kernels don't run on my hardware |
| 10:48.01 | tarzeau | mixter: do you like freebsd? is it a file server? |
| 10:48.05 | nevyn | ehaase: how do you want to interact with it? |
| 10:48.17 | dorel | a program needs to run as 'program -d "some text"' how can i pass the 'some text' to it to be enclosed within the "" as a pipe or some other way? |
| 10:48.37 | mixter | tarzeau: this one is a dedicated mysql-server |
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| 10:48.41 | nevyn | ehaase: if you want to write your own parser then you might think about perl if the xml is simple |
| 10:48.43 | tarzeau | dorel: '""' |
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| 10:49.01 | dorel | tarzeau: what? |
| 10:49.09 | tarzeau | dorel: '"some test"' |
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| 10:49.11 | nevyn | ehaase: it really depends how you want to work and what your toolchain is etc |
| 10:49.19 | tarzeau | dorel: also \ works |
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| 10:49.26 | tarzeau | !quotation |
| 10:49.27 | dorel | tarzeau: no, you dont get me :) |
| 10:49.50 | dorel | tarzeau: ok, this is an example how i run the program: ./program -d "text example" |
| 10:49.57 | ehaase | nevyn: i just want to have my resume in xml format, and be able to produce it in PDF, HTML and TXT formats |
| 10:50.07 | tarzeau | dorel: so that program sees "text example" and not just text example? |
| 10:50.15 | nevyn | ehaase: have you done any xml before? |
| 10:50.17 | ehaase | nevyn: i spent a lot of time making changes in one and then having to change the others, getting kinda annoying |
| 10:50.18 | dorel | tarzeau: now im trying to pass it the text example from a pipe or whatever like this: echo "text example" | xargs program -d |
| 10:50.21 | tarzeau | dorel: you don't listen to me. |
| 10:50.28 | ehaase | nevyn: no, but i'm sure i can figure it out fairly easily =) |
| 10:50.28 | mixter | tarzeau: i've never tried freebsd, but i'm a little curious :-) now is not the time i'm afraid, this server has to go into production asap. the old has failing hardware |
| 10:50.35 | nevyn | ehaase: you're wrong. |
| 10:50.41 | ehaase | nevyn: ? |
| 10:50.46 | tarzeau | dorel: really gives me text example |
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| 10:50.52 | tarzeau | dorel: when i use xargs program |
| 10:50.59 | tarzeau | dorel: either your program is crap or your shell |
| 10:50.59 | dorel | tarzeau: ok your right |
| 10:51.00 | zenbum | if i've been running unstable for a while, is there an easy way to downgrade to testing? |
| 10:51.12 | dorel | tarzeau: i just tested it and the understood what you meant |
| 10:51.18 | tarzeau | dorel: ok |
| 10:51.33 | tarzeau | zenbum: no |
| 10:51.34 | ehaase | nevyn: i'm wrong about what? |
| 10:51.34 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 10:51.35 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 10:51.55 | dorel | tarzeau: thanks :) |
| 10:52.05 | zenbum | damn... would be nice to simply 'apt-get dist-downgrade' ;-) |
| 10:52.11 | nevyn | ehaase: you want docbook not just XML |
| 10:52.13 | tarzeau | zenbum: why? |
| 10:52.32 | nevyn | ehaase: with docbook you can probably learn it in under 2 days |
| 10:52.38 | tarzeau | zenbum: you can remove pkg new version and install pkg old version |
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| 10:53.33 | dorel | tarzeau: just wondering, what about passing text that another program emited? like: program1 | xargs myprogram -d |
| 10:53.34 | zenbum | tarzeau: yes but that's extremely tedious.... would prolly be easier just to wait for testing to catch up to unstable |
| 10:53.50 | tarzeau | zenbum: hahaha |
| 10:53.58 | tarzeau | zenbum: you believe it'll? |
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| 10:54.05 | tarzeau | don't ever wait for stable to catch up testing |
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| 10:54.14 | nevyn | ehaase: xml being something you can work out easily.. while the principals of xml can be explained in 9 dotpoints |
| 10:54.14 | ehaase | nevyn: thanks, i'll look into this |
| 10:54.31 | tarzeau | dorel: should be fine. depends what program1 writes. maybe needs some additional processing. sed and awk are good |
| 10:54.55 | ehaase | nevyn: i don't quite follow you on your last statement |
| 10:55.00 | nevyn | ehaase: the whole xslt and creating DTD's etc is horribly complicated |
| 10:56.02 | ehaase | nevyn: pertaining to the xml route? |
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| 10:57.08 | nevyn | ehaase: well sortof |
| 10:57.19 | ehaase | ok, i'll look into all of this |
| 10:57.20 | ehaase | thanks again |
| 10:58.25 | zenbum | what do the linux-tree-* packages add that aren't in the corresponding linux-source-*? |
| 10:58.25 | nevyn | ehaase: xml is pretty useless and horribly complicated |
| 10:58.26 | nevyn | asdfasdfasdfjkl;asfdjkl;asdfjkl;sfjkl;dsfjklad;sfjks; |
| 10:58.26 | nevyn | lfjaks;flaksjf;lasfjkl;adsfjk;askf;lasdf |
| 10:58.29 | nevyn | ~. |
| 10:58.30 | apt | . |
| 10:58.43 | nevyn | blah |
| 10:58.53 | nevyn | evil network |
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| 11:03.30 | tarzeau | !. |
| 11:03.30 | dpkg | from memory, . is . ........... |
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| 11:05.05 | atsi | hi there. |
| 11:05.12 | yooser | howdy |
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| 11:07.08 | SuperSam | hello |
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| 11:07.26 | atsi | i got a SOHO with 10 pcs. all of them running sarge, but there is no connection to the internet. all pcs have the same range of ips. on of them it will host (up to 50 GB) the repository for the sarge. now my question is how to create one. and what kind of configurations do i have to run, so when the rest of the pcs do apt-get, to point to that pc that runs as a repository. any ideas? |
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| 11:08.15 | atsi | plz prefix |
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| 11:09.21 | sep | atsi, does that one pc have internet or none have ? if it have you can just run apt-proxy |
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| 11:10.53 | atsi | sep: sorry i forgot to mention. all the software will get from another location through a removable hdd, or dvds. so the lan does not have any internet connection at all. also, what do i have to download? |
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| 11:12.08 | atsi | sep: i will host only i386 for sarge. |
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| 11:15.30 | kombi | where do I set who gets root mails again? |
| 11:15.34 | mustard5 | I have a question on the syntax of the Acquire::http::Proxy "http:proxyname:port" option for apt.conf. What is the syntax if you need to authenticate to the server with username and password, when using apt-get via command line? |
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| 11:15.42 | jm_ | kombi: when configuring MTA |
| 11:15.53 | kombi | jm_: thanks |
| 11:15.56 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 11:15.57 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 18m 11s ago, saying: 'stazo: that does sound like a bug to me .. you could try emailing debian-kernel@lists.debian.org .. or just file a bug using reportbug'. |
| 11:15.59 | gisela | hello. how can i autologin with xdm? |
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| 11:16.06 | tarzeau | gisela: you can't |
| 11:16.11 | jm_ | mustard5: read /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 11:16.22 | mustard5 | jm_, thanks..checking it out now |
| 11:16.24 | tarzeau | gisela: but check www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/ |
| 11:16.29 | gisela | tarzeau: that is bad |
| 11:16.35 | tarzeau | gisela: what's bad? |
| 11:16.42 | tarzeau | gisela: get a mac then... |
| 11:16.53 | gisela | tarzeau: that i cant autologin with xdm ... what is kiosk? |
| 11:17.04 | tarzeau | gisela: a trick how you can autologin without xdm |
| 11:17.21 | gisela | tarzeau: ok .. i will have a look .. thank you |
| 11:18.05 | tarzeau | gisela: you're welcome, the trick is inittab |
| 11:18.30 | atsi | anyone willing to help me to setup a repository? |
| 11:18.40 | tarzeau | atsi: debian source packages? |
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| 11:18.51 | jm_ | there are several tutorials/howtos for creating custom repositories |
| 11:19.00 | gisela | tarzeau: i have followed your link .. there are just files ... what to do? |
| 11:19.10 | tarzeau | gisela: download the files, unpack them and read them |
| 11:19.30 | tarzeau | gisela: it's a package that makes your computer into a web kiosk, boot directly into x (no login), start browser |
| 11:19.35 | atsi | jm_ the ones i found it assumes internet connection. |
| 11:19.45 | gisela | tarzeau: thanks |
| 11:19.50 | tarzeau | gisela: bitte |
| 11:19.52 | jm_ | atsi: then look harder |
| 11:19.52 | atsi | jm_: which i do not have. |
| 11:20.03 | atsi | jm_: any better ideas? |
| 11:20.28 | jm_ | atsi: what do you mean which you don't have? |
| 11:20.34 | jm_ | ohh internet connection |
| 11:20.39 | jm_ | atsi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto |
| 11:20.41 | atsi | jm_: yeap. |
| 11:20.51 | atsi | jm_: yhanks |
| 11:20.56 | atsi | thanks |
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| 11:23.24 | atsi | jm_, ok i got that. now, which files do i have to copy from an ftp? let's say that i am using ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/debian/dists/sarge. which part do i have to copy to my system? |
| 11:23.48 | jm_ | atsi: the ones you will need when installing your systems ... |
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| 11:24.36 | atsi | jm_: i mean which folder, just to be compatible with the repository format? |
| 11:25.08 | _shane | Hi, I am wondering how you send data to a programs stdin, so I don't need to type it each time? |
| 11:25.18 | jm_ | atsi: there are no folders on Unix systems, only directories - read my previous answer, I can't tell you that, they're not my systems |
| 11:25.26 | _shane | that is from a file. |
| 11:25.30 | tarzeau | _shane: using a pipe |
| 11:25.40 | tarzeau | _shane: cat file | program |
| 11:26.20 | _shane | tarzeau: I tried that it still put up the printed a request for the data (a password) |
| 11:26.28 | Doqnach | or program < file |
| 11:26.37 | tarzeau | _shane: what program? |
| 11:26.48 | jm_ | _shane: it often doesn't work for passwords, because those require a real tty to talk to |
| 11:26.48 | Doqnach | _shane: usually you can't pipe in password requests |
| 11:27.42 | _shane | Doqnach: so I am finding out. I would really like to do this the program is losetup |
| 11:28.08 | Doqnach | _shane: check the man page and see if it has a --password / -p or similar argument |
| 11:28.16 | jm_ | you can do that using expect |
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| 11:29.20 | _shane | Doqnach: there is a -p "Read the passphrase from file descriptor passwdfd instead of the terminal" but it doesn't seem to work if you give it a file name. |
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| 11:30.14 | Doqnach | _shane: you can't give that a file name no |
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| 11:30.33 | Doqnach | it expects a string as a password |
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| 11:30.51 | _shane | Doqnach: i will try that |
| 11:30.57 | kingspawn | whats with all these crazy people running scripts trying to ssh everywhere in the known universe? |
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| 11:31.16 | boguh__ | hi, just installed debian and now wondering why i havent apt-setup |
| 11:31.30 | jm_ | because you didn't install Debian Sarge |
| 11:31.43 | boguh__ | jm_ its etch |
| 11:31.50 | jm_ | boguh__: yes, so no Sarge |
| 11:32.06 | boguh__ | so apt-setup is not available in etch?? |
| 11:32.46 | _shane | Doqnach: how would I include a " in a string? |
| 11:32.54 | jm_ | not at the moment no |
| 11:33.24 | boguh__ | jm_ is there a reason why? |
| 11:33.28 | jm_ | boguh__: yes |
| 11:33.36 | boguh__ | u might tell me |
| 11:33.44 | jm_ | read about etch and base-config |
| 11:33.53 | boguh__ | ok, thx |
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| 11:35.08 | Doqnach | _shane: \" |
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| 11:35.49 | runer | hi, can you help mi whit my sound? I just installing debian whit kernel 2.6.8-2 but i don`t have a sound. Thank you |
| 11:35.58 | tarzeau | runer: alsa? |
| 11:36.05 | runer | yes i have alsa |
| 11:36.08 | SlayerXP | runer: WITH. it's spelt WITH. |
| 11:36.13 | tarzeau | runer: which version? |
| 11:36.23 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: hehe |
| 11:36.31 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: and it's ' not ` |
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| 11:36.40 | tarzeau | and me, not mi |
| 11:36.53 | tarzeau | and not a sound, just sound |
| 11:37.12 | k31th | Wat is the advantage of raid 5 over raid1, i was going to use 3 250GIG SATAS |
| 11:37.27 | runer | fine, i don`t want lessons to english okay ? |
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| 11:37.41 | jm_ | k31th: read about different RAID levels and what advantages/disadvantages they have |
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| 11:38.46 | harobed | hi, someone here have already install and use tomcat4 on sarge ? |
| 11:39.02 | tarzeau | jm_, k31th www.linuks.mine.nu/raid.jpg |
| 11:39.05 | usn_work | hi folx |
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| 11:40.02 | leOn | howdy |
| 11:40.14 | leOn | anyone using request-tracker ? |
| 11:40.20 | tarzeau | leOn: yes |
| 11:40.27 | tarzeau | leOn: also the bugtracking of openafs does |
| 11:40.36 | tarzeau | it looks like shit in netscape 4.x |
| 11:40.39 | leOn | would you happen to use mod_perl or fastcgi with it ? |
| 11:40.50 | tarzeau | oh. i'm just using it you know :) |
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| 11:40.54 | leOn | ah |
| 11:40.55 | leOn | =) |
| 11:41.05 | tarzeau | well i could look it up, one second |
| 11:41.38 | leOn | from what i understood, the debian package comes (more) prepared to run with mod_perl |
| 11:42.12 | leOn | i've been trying to set it up with fastcgi but i'm stuck ... and documentation in the wiki doesn't seem to be enough ... =/ |
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| 11:42.19 | tarzeau | leOn: ii libapache-mod-perl 1.29.0.3-6sarge1 integration of perl with the Apache web server |
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| 11:42.29 | tarzeau | leOn: i think that answers the question |
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| 11:43.23 | leOn | tarzeau: not really .. try dpkg -l libfcgi-perl |
| 11:43.44 | leOn | and libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 11:43.47 | tarzeau | leOn: ii libfcgi-perl 0.67-1 FastCGI Perl module |
| 11:43.54 | k31th | jm_: i am googling now... try to find a decent site |
| 11:43.59 | tarzeau | leOn: un libapache2-mod-fastc <none> (no description available) |
| 11:44.17 | jm_ | k31th: I know IBM has pretty decent explanation on their redbooks site, but there are many others too |
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| 11:44.45 | leOn | tarzeau: to be sure about it, just check if you have any perl processes spawned by apache using mason_handler.fcgi |
| 11:44.47 | jm_ | k31th: this is pretty useful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundant_array_of_independent_disks |
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| 11:45.30 | tarzeau | leOn: nothing when i grep for fcgi |
| 11:46.01 | leOn | tarzeau: would you kindly tell me a few more things about it? |
| 11:46.23 | tarzeau | leOn: sure just ask |
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| 11:46.27 | leOn | like if you ever notice any hangs on the system, and what are the hardware specs of the server |
| 11:46.32 | tarzeau | leOn: i haven't set it up, so i don't know what to tell you |
| 11:46.52 | tarzeau | leOn: worked fine for until now, we're at #5626 |
| 11:47.00 | leOn | mainly processor, ram and type of disks |
| 11:47.08 | leOn | ide/sata/scsi |
| 11:47.50 | tarzeau | leOn: intel p3 1,2ghz, 512mb mem, 1gb swap, looks like a mirrored disk (scsi) |
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| 11:48.06 | leOn | thanks =) |
| 11:48.27 | tarzeau | leOn: you're welcome |
| 11:48.50 | _shane | Doqnach: that -p option doesn't appear to be a sting. It is still asking for the password. |
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| 11:49.30 | jm_ | _shane: you use it to specify file-descriptor by its number |
| 11:49.31 | [bono]_ | Question: anyone cares to give me a url explaining how to install a latex sty package on debian please? |
| 11:50.11 | _shane | jm_: and how do I do that? where do I get a number from? |
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| 11:50.49 | tarzeau | [bono]_: which sty package? |
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| 11:51.36 | tarzeau | [bono]_: hint: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex |
| 11:51.38 | [bono]_ | tarzeau: its a styling made by my university... |
| 11:51.47 | tarzeau | [bono]_: and they don't document it? |
| 11:52.03 | k31th | jm_: would raid1 witha hot spare be better do you think? |
| 11:52.13 | jm_ | _shane: you need to open it and write to it |
| 11:52.27 | tarzeau | k31th: disks tend to be dead when you need them and they were off-line (not powered on) |
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| 11:52.41 | tarzeau | k31th: besides they get outdated soon |
| 11:52.46 | tarzeau | oh hot spare |
| 11:52.48 | tarzeau | ok don't bother |
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| 11:53.20 | k31th | tarzeau: wat ? |
| 11:53.29 | tarzeau | i read cold spare |
| 11:53.37 | jm_ | k31th: raid1 implies two or more disks, what's the point of spare? |
| 11:54.00 | _shane | jm_: how do you do this from a shell? I don't know of any command I could use. |
| 11:54.14 | k31th | jm_: you have it mirrored then have a hot spare kick in if it dies ? |
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| 11:55.15 | k31th | I guess i would be better off just having raid 1 and a spare drive (is this called cold spare?). and when it emails me saying a drive has died i can just go there and swap in the new drive |
| 11:55.26 | k31th | and rebuild the raid |
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| 11:56.15 | jm_ | k31th: well you already have a mirror copy to use if one of the disk dies |
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| 11:56.29 | Celeste | hi |
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| 11:56.50 | Celeste | please help me with "bc" (the calculator) ... 4/10 gives back 0 - why? |
| 11:56.52 | jm_ | _shane: with shell commands, I can't explain it in 2 minutes |
| 11:56.52 | lamp_ | does anyone know when gnome is going to drop esd. |
| 11:57.25 | jm_ | Celeste: because you didn't set precision properly |
| 11:57.51 | k31th | jm_: true, All i would need to do is go there an put in another drive, and rebuild the raid. TBH id use software raid for this. |
| 11:58.16 | jm_ | k31th: right |
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| 11:58.50 | Celeste | jm_: how to set it right? |
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| 12:00.46 | jm_ | Celeste: scale=10 |
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| 12:01.22 | Celeste | jm_, http://pastebin.com/630584 |
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| 12:02.38 | jm_ | Celeste: why are you showing this to me? |
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| 12:03.02 | [bono]_ | tarzeau: so i need to create a directory under /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex, put my sty files in there, and call texhash... is that it? |
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| 12:03.13 | tarzeau | [bono]_: i think so |
| 12:03.19 | [bono]_ | thx |
| 12:04.15 | _shane | does anyone know how to use the '-p' option for losetup? |
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| 12:05.50 | Celeste | jm_, because it does not work |
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| 12:06.09 | tarzeau | _shane: checked the manual page yet? |
| 12:07.20 | jm_ | Celeste: yes it does |
| 12:07.24 | _shane | tarzeau: I have but I don't understand what the -p option is asking for it isn |
| 12:07.36 | _shane | t a file name or string. |
| 12:07.54 | jm_ | it's a file descriptor number ... |
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| 12:08.18 | _shane | jm_: so where/how do I get this number? |
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| 12:09.23 | jm_ | _shane: that's the part I said I can't explain in two minutes |
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| 12:10.01 | _shane | jm_: do you have an example you can paste? |
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| 12:11.42 | jm_ | _shane: try echo foo|losetup -p 0 |
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| 12:15.03 | _shane | jm_: got a "losetup: invalid option -- P" error. probably because there is a 'P' in the password. |
| 12:15.07 | Celeste | jm_, you are right, it works ... I am sorry |
| 12:15.13 | Celeste | jm_, can I get a leading zero? |
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| 12:16.09 | moebius | i have a small problem, when i close my laptop lid, the audio goes mono, and even if i open the lid again, it remains mono, what can it be? |
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| 12:17.14 | _shane | jm_: got it working thanks :) |
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| 12:19.31 | pakoo | is anyone using MySQL5 on Sarge here? Does anyone know of any debs that install it?? |
| 12:20.11 | infernix | pakoo: dotdeb.org; not supported here in general. but works. |
| 12:20.39 | pakoo | infernix, thank you :-) |
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| 12:23.20 | pinucset | somebody knows if koffice 1.5 rc1 is in debian unstable? i'm pretty sure that yes |
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| 12:23.42 | nn- | moebius: and everything is fine after reboot? |
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| 12:24.24 | Tripnotik | pinucset, Version: 1:1.3.5-4.sarge.1 |
| 12:24.45 | jm_ | Celeste: good question, not sure |
| 12:24.47 | moebius | pinucset, Version: 1:1.4.99-1 |
| 12:24.47 | moebius | nn-, yep, even if i unload and reload the audio module |
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| 12:25.14 | jm_ | _shane: you should seriously reconsider automating password prompt |
| 12:25.24 | nn- | moebius: sounds like one of the 10^100 acpi bugs |
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| 12:26.18 | moebius | nn-, what should i do? boot with noacpi? |
| 12:26.51 | moebius | nn-, but in this case, i won't be able to suspend, standby, bla bla |
| 12:27.35 | nn- | moebius: try apm in doubt |
| 12:28.13 | Celeste | jm_, ok, thank you so far very much! |
| 12:28.24 | moebius | nn-, i will, thank you |
| 12:28.45 | nn- | moebius: let me know if worked |
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| 12:30.19 | Error_X | Is it possible to install debian on a 100 mb disk? |
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| 12:30.23 | tarzeau | can i detect ctrl-alt-del in x and make it do something? |
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| 12:30.29 | tarzeau | fvwm can do it.... |
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| 12:32.20 | nn- | tarzeau: what about xbindkeys? |
| 12:33.02 | tarzeau | nn-: yeah but what exaclty? |
| 12:33.25 | nn- | tarzeau: already tried xbindkeys-config? |
| 12:34.13 | tarzeau | nn-: thanks, trying |
| 12:34.48 | moebius | nn-, it was easier... |
| 12:35.09 | moebius | nn-, just had to disable the "beep" on lid close from the bios :P |
| 12:35.09 | nn- | moebius: ? |
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| 12:35.34 | nn- | sounds pretty strange |
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| 12:35.51 | pinucset | somebody knows if koffice 1.5 rc1 is in debian unstable? i'm pretty sure that yes |
| 12:36.02 | pinucset | i've seen the answer now |
| 12:36.03 | pinucset | sorry ;) |
| 12:36.08 | tarzeau | nn-: zsh: segmentation fault xbindkeys-config |
| 12:36.12 | kimo | does debian have any tricks for working on old PII/128 machines ? |
| 12:36.21 | tarzeau | nn-: i say new and get key.... |
| 12:36.23 | moebius | yep, strange indeed |
| 12:36.27 | tarzeau | kimo: no it just works |
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| 12:36.44 | SilverMoonDragon | kimo, yep. install as bare stuff as possible |
| 12:36.53 | SilverMoonDragon | kimo, ie. no X or anything |
| 12:36.57 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: x is fine |
| 12:37.04 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: but desktop (gnome/kde) is not |
| 12:37.05 | SilverMoonDragon | kimo, check out DamnSmallLinux |
| 12:37.12 | kimo | sorry, I meant for actual desktop usage |
| 12:37.16 | nn- | x fine runs great on pentium class machines |
| 12:37.21 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, yeah, like tinyX or kdrive, right? |
| 12:37.22 | nn- | s/fine// |
| 12:37.28 | tarzeau | kimo: you can use it as desktop, just not with gnome/kde |
| 12:37.34 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: no, the real fat ugly x |
| 12:37.42 | kimo | DSL or Xubuntu ? |
| 12:37.45 | SilverMoonDragon | kimo, for actual desktop usage, DSL |
| 12:37.47 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: works also fine with 64mb memory |
| 12:38.02 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, the real fat ugly X wont work. but kdrive and tinyX will |
| 12:38.22 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: i run x on a sparc 50mhz machine |
| 12:38.49 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, the real fat ugly one? |
| 12:38.54 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: yes of course |
| 12:39.06 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: and it starts in 2 seconds on my 64mb machine with netbsd |
| 12:39.17 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: linux needs a bit more memory, debian gnu/kfreebsd is fine with less |
| 12:39.22 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: only 64mb.. works fine |
| 12:39.31 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: of course you don't want fat ugly openoffice |
| 12:39.36 | tarzeau | or konqueror or firefox |
| 12:39.37 | kimo | DSL or Xubuntu ? (anyone tried both) ? |
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| 12:39.44 | tarzeau | but those are bloat anyways, no matter what you have |
| 12:39.54 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, cool! two things: |
| 12:39.54 | SilverMoonDragon | 1) never seen a 50MHz machine running linux |
| 12:39.54 | SilverMoonDragon | 2)never seen 50MHz machine running a GUI |
| 12:39.54 | SilverMoonDragon | that's the power of linux! |
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| 12:40.26 | nn- | SilverMoonDragon: how old are you? 12? |
| 12:40.31 | SilverMoonDragon | stupid debhelper!! |
| 12:40.34 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 12:40.35 | SilverMoonDragon | nn-, nope |
| 12:40.40 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: it even plays mp3 |
| 12:40.49 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, cool! |
| 12:40.53 | tarzeau | i've had linux on it too, but it just performed much worse than netbsd |
| 12:40.56 | SlayerXP | SilverMoonDragon: bless. I used wndows on an 386sx running at 25mhz |
| 12:41.13 | SilverMoonDragon | SlayerXP, which version of windows? |
| 12:41.32 | SlayerXP | SilverMoonDragon: windows for workgroups 3.11 |
| 12:41.52 | SlayerXP | also, my ST had a GUI and did my Amiga |
| 12:41.59 | SlayerXP | neither of those were 50mhz |
| 12:42.38 | SilverMoonDragon | SlayerXP, amiga was probably born before me ;) |
| 12:42.39 | SlayerXP | my Amiga had a whole megabyte of RAM, too |
| 12:43.03 | SlayerXP | i was somewhat spoiled, really |
| 12:43.20 | dieeasy | my 286 10Mhz with 1152Kb of RAM ran windows 3.1, too |
| 12:43.22 | cubiq | Has anyone built a driver module for Promise TX2200 or similar? |
| 12:43.43 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: but they don't have a powerful shell |
| 12:43.48 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: well amiga was ok. atari sucked |
| 12:43.58 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: I used to code demos for both :) |
| 12:44.00 | tarzeau | amiga also had the great tool "say" that i miss so much |
| 12:44.10 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: demoscene. very cool, know #demoscene ? |
| 12:44.11 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, what did say do? |
| 12:44.18 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: nope. |
| 12:44.30 | dieeasy | amiga also had the great tool "say" that i miss so much <- get a Steve Vai cd ;) |
| 12:44.55 | SilverMoonDragon | what is 'say'? |
| 12:45.01 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: say talked |
| 12:45.04 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: and it was very good |
| 12:45.15 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: small, also female voice, different speeds. |
| 12:45.22 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: there's just nothing comparable to it for linux |
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| 12:45.33 | tarzeau | dieeasy: heh |
| 12:45.45 | tarzeau | dieeasy: "amiga speaking" |
| 12:45.58 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, you mean like random fortune talk with audio output? |
| 12:46.10 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: you can give it any text... and it says it |
| 12:46.17 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: but yes pipe fortune | say |
| 12:46.50 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, how about text2speech sofwares? |
| 12:46.58 | SilverMoonDragon | tarzeau, like festival and stuff |
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| 12:47.27 | SilverMoonDragon | btw, does anyone know of any gtkboard clone that is still being developed? |
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| 12:48.04 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: yes like that |
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| 12:48.14 | tarzeau | SilverMoonDragon: can you not shorten your nickname? |
| 12:48.24 | SilverMoonDragon | OMG!! cant belive it! #debian was silent for more than 5 seconds!!! |
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| 12:48.54 | argent | tarzeau, better? |
| 12:49.28 | tarzeau | :) |
| 12:49.34 | Neverther | argent.....i remember that nick from somewhere |
| 12:49.42 | cubiq | How can I install the debian sources after installation. Is it just apt-get kernel-soruces-x.x.x or? |
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| 12:50.10 | tarzeau | cubiq: that's the linux kernel sources |
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| 12:50.16 | argent | Neverther, argent means silver. actually Argentinum means silver |
| 12:50.20 | tarzeau | cubiq: you really want the debian sources? |
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| 12:50.22 | cubiq | tarzeau: and the debian oneS? |
| 12:50.27 | tarzeau | cubiq: easily: |
| 12:50.45 | cubiq | tarzeau: Yes because I need to compile my own SATA driver.. |
| 12:51.03 | cubiq | and for that I need the dist sources (as far as I know :)) |
| 12:51.09 | tarzeau | cubiq: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | while read pkg; do apt-get source $pkg; done |
| 12:51.18 | cubiq | weee :) |
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| 12:51.19 | tarzeau | cubiq: no you want the kernel source then |
| 12:51.28 | tarzeau | cubiq: www.kernel.org, download 2.6.16.1 (F) |
| 12:51.36 | tarzeau | cubiq: unpack it, apt-get install make-kpkg |
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| 12:51.39 | tarzeau | err kernel-package |
| 12:51.45 | cubiq | tarzeau: Great thanks a lot. |
| 12:51.50 | tarzeau | cubiq: good luck |
| 12:52.00 | cubiq | tarzeau: Thx I need it ;) |
| 12:52.11 | tarzeau | cubiq: it's easy, i had the same problem |
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| 12:52.24 | tarzeau | cubiq: if you want i can give you my binary debian packages of 2.6.16.1 (i've got amd64 though) |
| 12:52.34 | tarzeau | or the .config (without initrd) |
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| 12:52.56 | cubiq | tarzeau: Thx but I don't think they'll be that compatiable :) |
| 12:53.14 | cahoot | tarzeau: hmm offering binaries |
| 12:53.19 | cubiq | You don't happend tp have the promise tx2200 driver module :) |
| 12:53.24 | tarzeau | cahoot: yes? |
| 12:53.32 | tarzeau | cubiq: i don't think so |
| 12:54.12 | cahoot | tarzeau: I thought that was a nono - not really serious though |
| 12:54.15 | tarzeau | cahoot: i offer also to package software that's not yet in debian |
| 12:54.42 | tarzeau | cahoot: it depends what it is, from who it is, and if the arch matches |
| 12:54.47 | tarzeau | cahoot: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/ |
| 12:56.11 | _shane | when I execute a script I am getting the error message "sh: /media/usbdisk/encrypted: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied" the shebang line is correct. whats up? |
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| 12:56.36 | coywolf | how to hide your process from who/w ? |
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| 12:56.43 | tarzeau | _shane: head -1 thescript and ls -la thescirpt say what? |
| 12:56.47 | cahoot | _shane: not made executable? |
| 12:56.50 | tarzeau | coywolf: why? |
| 12:56.50 | nn- | _shane: funny i stumbled across the same prob yesterday |
| 12:56.56 | denis22 | hi people |
| 12:56.56 | adiv | hey. I installed squid on 1.1.1.9:3128, but all my local subnets point to 1.1.1.1:3128. Different machines. How can I make 1.1.1.1 point to 1.1.1.9, with or without using squid ? I tried DNAT, but that doesn't work. |
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| 12:57.22 | denis22 | i am a newdie with a question about apt |
| 12:57.30 | argent | !ask |
| 12:57.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:57.30 | coywolf | tarzeau, i find on one box, it is like that, so I wonder how they did it |
| 12:57.40 | nn- | _shane: i couldnt run a script on a nfs volume, although it was executable - only "bash script" worked |
| 12:57.41 | denis22 | ok thanks |
| 12:57.56 | _shane | tarzeau: #! /bin/bash |
| 12:57.57 | cahoot | tarzeau: totally off topic - does the amd64 run as hot as other amd's? |
| 12:58.00 | argent | denis22, .......??? |
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| 12:58.42 | tarzeau | cahoot: you mean physically hot or something else? |
| 12:58.55 | cahoot | tarzeau: temperature |
| 12:58.56 | GoAuLd | mentally hot |
| 12:58.58 | denis22 | how do i tell apt to look for some packages that i have on a partition and not on cd |
| 12:59.01 | tarzeau | cahoot: we've got a few amd64 at work, and i have one at home, and it's nice. /me likes a lot, very fast, good number crunchers |
| 12:59.14 | tarzeau | cahoot: i haven't checked, but i've got good coolers i guess |
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| 12:59.29 | tarzeau | denis22: just use dpkg -i *.deb ? |
| 12:59.55 | _shane | tarzeau: remove the space didn't help |
| 13:00.05 | nn- | _shane: is your script also on a network mount? |
| 13:00.14 | denis22 | i have been tryiny to use aptitude so can i do this with aptitude |
| 13:00.22 | tarzeau | _shane: ls -la thescript says what? |
| 13:00.25 | _shane | cahoot: it is executable |
| 13:00.35 | tarzeau | _shane: please can you remove _ from your nick? |
| 13:01.01 | argent | denis22, try apt-cdrom -d <full-path-name-to-the-directory> |
| 13:01.11 | fluxdude | in proftpd I am trying to hide dir listings by putting HideFiles .* inside <Directory pub> </Directory> but it's hiding the folder as well as the contents, I want the folder visible... |
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| 13:01.17 | cahoot | _shane: the partition mounted by user (i e noexec)? |
| 13:01.21 | argent | denis22, but they have to be debian type repositories |
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| 13:01.23 | nn- | tarzeau: why are you telling every1 what nicks to use? |
| 13:01.29 | _shane | nn-: It seems the problem is that the volume has been mounted with 'noexec' check you /etc/mtab file |
| 13:01.42 | denis22 | thanks for that i have been banging my head off the wall for the last week!!! |
| 13:01.46 | nn- | _shane: thx for the hint |
| 13:01.50 | tarzeau | nn-: i'm not telling them to use a special nick, but i hate non alphanumeric in nicks |
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| 13:01.53 | _shane | how do I change the mounting of a USB disk? |
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| 13:02.02 | cahoot | nn-: non alphanumeric inital chars are irritating |
| 13:02.04 | tarzeau | nn-: breaks my fingers to type it, also breaks nick completion |
| 13:02.18 | tarzeau | cahoot: - is fine, but _ not |
| 13:02.25 | argent | _shane, unmount and mount using `mount /dev/<device> <mount-point>' |
| 13:02.31 | nn- | _ shouldt break anything |
| 13:02.56 | tarzeau | nn-: sh[tab] doesn't get _shane |
| 13:03.02 | tarzeau | nn-: it would without the _ |
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| 13:03.14 | _shane | argent: I suppose I could but next time I plug it in wont it be still mount 'noexec' |
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| 13:03.33 | Serial | hello , my ingles very poor ehm , i need repos oficial debian sid please |
| 13:03.38 | nn- | _shane: just add "exec" to the options in fstab |
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| 13:03.44 | argent | _shane, oh. then do `mount -o exec ....' |
| 13:04.00 | argent | Serial, do netselect |
| 13:04.10 | Serial | why |
| 13:04.16 | Serial | i not understand |
| 13:04.19 | argent | Serial, or netselect-apt for a more user-friendly version |
| 13:04.33 | argent | Serial, open up a terminal and run netselect-apt |
| 13:04.33 | _shane | nn-: it isn't in fstab, it a auto mounted USB drive. |
| 13:04.41 | denis22 | will apt still work out the dependices for me |
| 13:04.51 | argent | denis22, yep |
| 13:04.52 | cahoot | _shane: remount it exec |
| 13:04.54 | Serial | ok thanks |
| 13:05.12 | nn- | _shane: what automount mechanism are you? hotplug? |
| 13:05.23 | denis22 | cool what is this netselect-apt |
| 13:05.28 | _shane | cahoot: I could do a tempary fix, I am looking for a permanent fix. |
| 13:05.28 | Serial | bash: netselect-apt: command not found , im using now debian sarge |
| 13:05.32 | argent | Serial, there is a chance that netselect-apt is not there |
| 13:05.44 | argent | Serial, ok, do this: |
| 13:05.46 | nkuttler | Serial: try apt-setup |
| 13:05.54 | Serial | nkuttler i know |
| 13:05.58 | _shane | nn-: I think so it a freash kubutu install. |
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| 13:06.08 | nn- | _shane: never mind |
| 13:06.24 | cahoot | strike two |
| 13:06.33 | denis22 | is it possible to use apt with any gui programs |
| 13:06.40 | argent | denis22, synaptic |
| 13:06.56 | argent | Serial, open /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:07.08 | argent | Serial, is it empty? |
| 13:07.08 | denis22 | does this work in both gnome and kde |
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| 13:07.22 | coywolf | how to hide a process command line from other users? |
| 13:07.36 | stew | denis22: aptitude is very good as well |
| 13:07.43 | argent | denis22, it requires gtk+ |
| 13:07.45 | Serial | that attempt but now I am in debian sarge I am desired to happen to unstable understand to me |
| 13:08.21 | argent | Serial, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change any instance of stable to unstable |
| 13:08.28 | denis22 | so only aptitude if u have no x installed |
| 13:08.42 | Serial | argent hey look http://pastebin.com/630664 |
| 13:08.50 | Serial | y need sources debian sid :P |
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| 13:09.35 | Serial | freeone3000 hi guys |
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| 13:09.38 | tarzeau | Serial: www.engrish.com |
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| 13:10.42 | Serial | tarzeau that he is that? |
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| 13:11.15 | argent | Serial, http://pastebin.com/630669 |
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| 13:11.46 | denis22 | where to find any good howto on aptitude |
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| 13:12.05 | tarzeau | denis22: just add a random number of -v and moo at the end |
| 13:12.08 | tarzeau | !aptitude |
| 13:12.08 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 13:12.12 | stew | argent: there are no security updates for unstable. what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:12.29 | tarzeau | stew: yes there are, but they might not arrive in time |
| 13:12.32 | highvolt1ge | hi. is there a way i can install debian over a network by PXE or etherboot? |
| 13:12.42 | stew | tarzeau: deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib? |
| 13:12.43 | highvolt1ge | i googled it, but only found the netinst CD image :/ |
| 13:12.47 | tarzeau | highvolt1ge: yes of course |
| 13:12.49 | argent | stew, err.. sorry!! eeeks! |
| 13:12.54 | tarzeau | stew: no, that not |
| 13:13.01 | highvolt1ge | tarzeau: do you perhaps have a link for me? |
| 13:13.06 | stew | highvolt1ge: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 13:13.30 | stew | argent: if you are trying to get Serial to upgrade to unstable, please stop |
| 13:13.31 | nn- | why does dpkg say "xhost +localhost" is insecure? doesn't that only apply to multiuser workstations? |
| 13:13.40 | denis22 | i have it installed (aptitude ) but it hard to figure out |
| 13:13.44 | tarzeau | highvoltage: you want dhcpd3 or so and tftpd |
| 13:13.49 | argent | stew, Serial wanted unstable! |
| 13:13.51 | tarzeau | denis22: why not keep using apt-get ? |
| 13:13.55 | argent | stew, he said so! |
| 13:14.01 | argent | Serial, http://pastebin.com/630673 |
| 13:14.01 | highvoltage | tarzeau: ok, that part i have. |
| 13:14.06 | stew | argent: stop |
| 13:14.07 | tarzeau | stew: why are you so anti sid? |
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| 13:14.20 | tarzeau | testing has a few things broken |
| 13:14.33 | denis22 | i thought aptitude was a front end to apt-get |
| 13:14.35 | argent | yeah. even though i use sarge, i can still use sid |
| 13:14.43 | tarzeau | if you don't want to support sid users, don't. but don't stop others supporting them |
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| 13:14.55 | highvoltage | tarzeau: so where do i go from here? how do i get a d-i on the remote PC? |
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| 13:15.09 | tarzeau | highvoltage: network boot the remote pc |
| 13:15.14 | Serial | wait |
| 13:15.21 | tarzeau | highvoltage: not all pc can do that. you can check if it can with "ree" |
| 13:15.32 | tarzeau | highvoltage: it has an example how in /usr/share/doc/ree i think |
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| 13:15.40 | Serial | argent oh thanks |
| 13:15.41 | stew | argent: if someone doesn't know themselves how to upgrade to unstable, they aren't ready for it |
| 13:15.43 | Serial | very nice:P |
| 13:15.44 | Eclipser | how do I define an index for each of my soundcards? |
| 13:15.56 | argent | stew, POINT! |
| 13:16.02 | Eclipser | alsa keeps swapping my devices on boot... |
| 13:16.06 | argent | Serial, STOP AT ONCE! |
| 13:16.07 | highvoltage | tarzeau: the PC can boot fine with PXE, but how do I get d-i there? |
| 13:16.09 | nn- | Eclipser: what's an index of a soundcard? |
| 13:16.10 | stew | argent: i don't understand that sentence |
| 13:16.20 | tarzeau | highvoltage: ah the manpage of ree has an example |
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| 13:16.26 | highvoltage | tarzeau: ok |
| 13:16.27 | argent | Stewi meant you had a very very very strong point |
| 13:16.27 | denis22 | can u tell apt-get to look at a local partition |
| 13:16.40 | argent | s/stewi/stew, I/ |
| 13:16.50 | cahoot | Eclipser: like I told yesterday ;) options snd-xxx-xxx index=0|1... |
| 13:16.50 | allan__ | oi |
| 13:16.51 | Serial | argent why? |
| 13:16.52 | denis22 | as i thought it only went online for any package |
| 13:16.53 | Serial | :( |
| 13:16.57 | tarzeau | denis22: why not install a simple httpd pointint to localhost? |
| 13:16.57 | Serial | i not understand |
| 13:16.58 | Serial | !!!! |
| 13:16.58 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 13:17.01 | Eclipser | cahoot, well yes, but where? :) |
| 13:17.06 | argent | Serial, i think you should use testing or stable. |
| 13:17.07 | allan__ | oooooooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 13:17.20 | allan__ | oi |
| 13:17.24 | Ronin | yes we see you allan__ |
| 13:17.32 | tarzeau | Ronin: hehe |
| 13:17.33 | cahoot | Eclipser: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (might work in sound too) |
| 13:17.34 | argent | Serial, unstable is waaaaayyyyy too unstable. you know it has latest betas alphas and RCs? |
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| 13:17.45 | Eclipser | cahoot, yah I just foudn that file |
| 13:17.45 | nn- | cahoot: what kinds of indices are you talking about? |
| 13:17.46 | tarzeau | argent: bullshit |
| 13:17.57 | tarzeau | argent: it is waaaaay not unstable. it breaks at some times. |
| 13:17.58 | denis22 | how would that help tarzeau |
| 13:18.02 | argent | tarzeau, it doesnt? |
| 13:18.03 | cahoot | nn-: alsa card |
| 13:18.06 | tarzeau | argent: and that's only some packages |
| 13:18.09 | Serial | i wish using |
| 13:18.10 | Serial | unstable |
| 13:18.11 | tarzeau | argent: it doesn't for me since 6 years |
| 13:18.15 | Eclipser | cahoot, then I need to figure out which snd-thing my other card is :p |
| 13:18.17 | tarzeau | argent: it depends HOW you use it |
| 13:18.23 | nn- | cahoot: does alsa access sound devices cia |
| 13:18.24 | nn- | |
| 13:18.24 | tarzeau | argent: it'll break more if you install more software, and more often |
| 13:18.25 | nn- | cahoot: what kinds of indices are you talking about |
| 13:18.29 | nn- | oops |
| 13:18.31 | mixter | hi! my sarge installation cannot find any network interfaces. the manual says i got 2 intel 82573 gigabit interfaces. could i load a driver manually for these? could i insert a driver from a floppy? i'm installing with a 2.6-kernel |
| 13:18.32 | argent | tarzeau, i remember someone telling me it has something rc1 |
| 13:18.41 | highvoltage | tarzeau: i've downloaded ree, and read the page, that seems to help more with the booting part |
| 13:18.42 | tarzeau | argent: if you keep an eye on /topic and use it careful, it's very nice |
| 13:18.47 | nn- | cahoot: does alsa access sound devices via indices? |
| 13:18.55 | tarzeau | argent: of course it has software that is beta and rc1 and alpha and cvs/svn |
| 13:18.56 | highvoltage | tarzeau: i want to get debian installer running locally on the remote machine |
| 13:19.01 | tarzeau | argent: but that doesn't mean it's bad |
| 13:19.03 | argent | tarzeau, see?? |
| 13:19.14 | tarzeau | argent: software development age has nothing to do with quality, not necessarily |
| 13:19.22 | tarzeau | argent: see what? |
| 13:19.31 | stew | Serial: please ask tarzeau for help upgrading to unstable |
| 13:19.33 | cahoot | nn-: it governs which is card0 and card1 etc |
| 13:19.46 | tarzeau | Serial: do you have gnome or kde? |
| 13:19.47 | Tygrys | amiga, amiga... |
| 13:19.55 | tarzeau | !amiga |
| 13:19.55 | dpkg | methinks amiga is a series of excellent computers manufactured by Commodore from 1985 until sometime in the early 1990s when they went belly up thanks to the marketing department, now trying to make their Nth comeback into the computing market, or the machines doing fast 3d graphics when windows couldnt even BEEP very well |
| 13:20.02 | Serial | gnome |
| 13:20.04 | argent | tarzeau, but if someone does not know how to switch to sid, they should not! what if it really breaks and all their critical stuff goes boom! |
| 13:20.09 | cahoot | nn-: i e no matter in which order the modules get loaded |
| 13:20.13 | zoldar | hello, does anybody know why fonts on the same page are bigger in firefox under debian than under windows, even though I have the same ttf font on both systems? size is defined in pixels |
| 13:20.14 | nn- | cahoot: ok, i am new to alsa.. |
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| 13:20.20 | Eclipser | cahoot, thanks, I hope that helped :p |
| 13:20.25 | tarzeau | Serial: sorry i don't support gnome :) |
| 13:20.32 | tarzeau | Serial: i really like sid (without kde, without gnome) |
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| 13:20.35 | Tygrys | ;-) |
| 13:20.54 | denis22 | tarzeau can u explain about how (HTTPD) that would help me to install locally stored packages please |
| 13:20.57 | FLAGEL-J | does anyone know what the default setting for allowrootlogin in sshd_config is in debian sarge? |
| 13:21.01 | Serial | . |
| 13:21.02 | cahoot | Eclipser: yeah I had problem with my usb headset getting to be 0 or 1 between reboots |
| 13:21.04 | tarzeau | zoldar: it can be a dpi setting, font, display size... |
| 13:21.13 | tarzeau | denis22: apt-get install thttpd for example, or apache |
| 13:21.20 | tarzeau | denis22: usually they point to /var/www |
| 13:21.24 | zoldar | where to check which dpi is used ? |
| 13:21.41 | cahoot | zoldar: xdpyinfo |
| 13:21.51 | zoldar | ok, thanks |
| 13:21.52 | argent | Serial, ok, if you want to use unstable, modify your sources.list to the last link i posted and do apt-get update, apt-get install synaptic. that will give you a gui |
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| 13:22.25 | tarzeau | argent: do you think he can handle that large meta packages like gnome in sid? i doubt |
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| 13:22.28 | stew | argent: and he'll end up with a broken gnome-volume-manager and no sane upgrade path for his kernel |
| 13:22.36 | Serial | i think what aptitude evry nice |
| 13:22.36 | tarzeau | argent: there's hardly a moment that metapackage works |
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| 13:22.48 | tarzeau | argent: but one can always check the deps and install this and that... |
| 13:22.48 | stew | tarzeau: why are you stopping argent from supporting sid? |
| 13:22.48 | denis22 | yes i get that part i setup a local web server using apache and copy packages to it then tell aptitude about the web server |
| 13:22.56 | denis22 | is this what you mean |
| 13:22.57 | tarzeau | stew: i'm not :) just telling my thoughts |
| 13:22.58 | Serial | argent wait. look http://pastebin.com/630684 correct? |
| 13:23.02 | tarzeau | stew: but nice one :) |
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| 13:23.19 | Roldyx | hello |
| 13:23.26 | argent | hello Roldyx |
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| 13:23.30 | argent | Serial, checking.... |
| 13:23.31 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:23.31 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
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| 13:23.47 | argent | Serial, nope. http://pastebin.com/630673 |
| 13:23.56 | Roldyx | Mar 30 09:59:02 drim postfix/smtp[11528]: C9F9141E887: to=<ciarellidaniel@hotmail.com>, relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.244.200], delay=36, status=sent (250 <BL> Queued mail for delivery) |
| 13:24.12 | Roldyx | queued mail for delivery?? |
| 13:24.19 | Shadur | Roldyx: Yes? |
| 13:24.25 | zoldar | damn, maybe i'm blind but i can't find any information about font's dpi in the output of xdpyinfo :( |
| 13:24.28 | Roldyx | i dont understand this message |
| 13:24.28 | tarzeau | Roldyx: #postfix exists too |
| 13:24.39 | tarzeau | Roldyx: putting in a queue for delivery? |
| 13:24.41 | Roldyx | tarzeau, sorry |
| 13:24.42 | Shadur | Roldyx: That's obvious. |
| 13:24.50 | tarzeau | Roldyx: no it's fine... if you got debian |
| 13:24.56 | Serial | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.58 | Shadur | Roldyx: Read up on the smtp protocol standards. |
| 13:25.01 | Serial | is down sources? |
| 13:25.01 | tarzeau | Roldyx: check the log file further? |
| 13:25.10 | tarzeau | Serial: it doesn't exist |
| 13:25.12 | argent | Serial, http://pastebin.com/630673 |
| 13:25.17 | tarzeau | Serial: remove that line ... |
| 13:25.18 | Serial | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:25.20 | stew | Serial: there are no security updates for unstable |
| 13:25.21 | tarzeau | Serial: and read harden-doc |
| 13:25.23 | Shadur | Roldyx: It's just the remote server saying it accepted the email and will deliver it further. |
| 13:25.36 | Serial | tarzeau in spanish? |
| 13:25.37 | tarzeau | Serial: keep track of the security bugs of the software you run :) |
| 13:25.41 | tarzeau | !es |
| 13:25.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:25.43 | argent | Serial, use http://pastebin.com/630673 not http://pastebin.com/630684 |
| 13:25.49 | Serial | tarzeau nah ;) |
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| 13:26.06 | stew | argent: you keep pointing him to the same broken sources.list, why? |
| 13:26.24 | argent | Stewit is the one i just fixed |
| 13:26.42 | zoldar | are 75dpi and 100pdi the only choices ? is there something in the middle? ie. 90dpi ? as far as i remeber this is standard resoltuion in windows... ? |
| 13:26.59 | stew | argent: you fixed security.debian.org to start providing unstable updates? sweet |
| 13:27.08 | argent | argghhh! just a sec! |
| 13:27.14 | nn- | zoldar: what's wrong with 100dpi? |
| 13:27.20 | argent | Serial, http://pastebin.com/630699 |
| 13:27.25 | Serial | . |
| 13:27.43 | zoldar | well fonts are a bit bigger |
| 13:28.02 | nn- | true.. |
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| 13:28.17 | zoldar | and on some sites with less flexible layout it gives a bit messy result |
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| 13:28.27 | denis22 | tarzeau do i setup a local web server and then tell aptitude to look at it , is that what u mean |
| 13:28.38 | stew | denis22: look at apt-move |
| 13:28.45 | Serial | argent nice |
| 13:28.50 | tarzeau | denis22: yes |
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| 13:29.12 | denis22 | tarzeau ok thanks |
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| 13:30.26 | zoldar | ok, maybe I want too much.... |
| 13:31.11 | Serial | :D |
| 13:31.13 | denis22 | bye all and again thanks tarzeau |
| 13:32.19 | cubiq | tarzeau: I downloaded and unpacked the kernel sources but how do I install them? |
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| 13:32.54 | stew | cubiq: installing kernel sources is just a matter of unpacking them. what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:33.04 | tarzeau | cubiq: did you install kernel-packages ? |
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| 13:33.15 | cubiq | stew: need kernel-sources when compiling SATA driver. |
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| 13:33.23 | stoneage | no |
| 13:33.28 | argent | Serial, did it work now? |
| 13:33.29 | stoneage | you need kernel headers |
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| 13:33.39 | tarzeau | stoneage: he doesn't want modules |
| 13:33.50 | stoneage | oh k sry |
| 13:33.52 | cubiq | tarzeau: No I just downloaded the sources |
| 13:34.02 | tarzeau | cubiq: yes now do apt-get install kernel-packages |
| 13:34.11 | tarzeau | cubiq: what says uname -a |
| 13:34.30 | tarzeau | cubiq: then unpack the downloaded kernel sources. put them in /usr/src ? |
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| 13:34.54 | lemmy | hi |
| 13:34.58 | tralala | tarzeau: it's kernel-package (without s) |
| 13:35.03 | cubiq | Linux debian 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 13:35.05 | tarzeau | tralala: ah thanks |
| 13:35.05 | stew | cubiq: are you sure you need kernel-sources and not kernel-headers? |
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| 13:35.14 | argent | hey lemmy |
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| 13:35.30 | stew | cubiq: for an addon module, you generally only need headers |
| 13:35.31 | cubiq | stew: Please make sure you have linux kernel source code at ("/usr/src/linux"), |
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| 13:35.42 | tarzeau | cubiq: make a symlink |
| 13:35.45 | vorpal | hey guys, how do i change the selection state of packages that marked for install? i made a mistake and don't want to instaall the packages after all |
| 13:35.46 | sparr | does this work? http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/img_png/16million.png |
| 13:35.48 | tralala | cubiq: are you trying to compile lirc? |
| 13:35.49 | stew | cubiq: yeah it probably only needs headers |
| 13:35.58 | stew | cubiq: unless you are going to recompile the entire kernel |
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| 13:36.06 | cubiq | from my donwloaded packages to the src directory you mean? |
| 13:36.10 | tarzeau | sparr: The image http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/img_png/16million.png cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. |
| 13:36.23 | stew | cubiq: you should write the authors and tell them that use of /usr/src/linux is deprecated, it should be /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 13:36.24 | Serial | im learning ingles :P |
| 13:36.25 | nn- | I've mounted host:/ over nfs, and i can access the partitions mounted /mnt/ - they're empty .. mounting with "nohide" didn't help - any ideas? |
| 13:36.27 | tralala | lirc actually wants the whole kernel source, not just the headers |
| 13:36.33 | sparr | tarzeau: i get the same. considering the source, do you think this may indicate a bug in our browsers' png implementation? |
| 13:36.44 | stew | tralala: you have to actually recompile the entire kernel? |
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| 13:37.05 | vin` | tralala: even with m-a? |
| 13:37.05 | tarzeau | sparr: however feh displays it. firefox is broken |
| 13:37.21 | cubiq | stew: OK I'll do that. |
| 13:37.21 | tralala | stew: no, but you need the kernel source for the lirc modules to compile |
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| 13:37.28 | tralala | vin`: yep, even then |
| 13:37.34 | tarzeau | sparr: until you want to resize it, hehe: zsh: segmentation fault feh 16million.png |
| 13:37.45 | tarzeau | sparr: funny 16million.png: PNG image data, 512 x 32768, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced |
| 13:37.45 | stew | tralala: irc is a patch, isn't it? |
| 13:37.50 | stew | *lirc |
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| 13:37.54 | lemmy | I cannot add a user to more than 32 groups on a 2.6.11 debian sarge system. afaik this limitation has been fixed since 2.6.3. any hints? |
| 13:38.01 | tralala | dpkg: info lirc-modules-source |
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| 13:38.05 | dpkg | lirc-modules-source: (Linux Infra-red Remote Control support (kernel modules)), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.7.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 218 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 13:38.08 | Serial | argent thanks :) |
| 13:38.14 | stew | tralala: you only need headers for lirc |
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| 13:38.43 | tralala | stew: not according to the README and my past experience |
| 13:38.48 | vin` | I've heard reports of m-a prepare && m-a a-i lirc working fine with headers. |
| 13:38.51 | tarzeau | sparr: can you keep the image online please? |
| 13:38.59 | sparr | err |
| 13:39.01 | tarzeau | sparr: also links2 fails to display it... |
| 13:39.02 | sparr | check the source :) |
| 13:39.05 | sparr | very much not mine |
| 13:39.15 | sparr | its been online for years, and will continue to be |
| 13:39.18 | aeronadix | anyone use lyx, I am having trouble with carriage return and horizontal fill. Doesn't seem to print them |
| 13:39.20 | tarzeau | sparr: great. |
| 13:39.36 | tarzeau | sparr: feh is really great, it can do http:// links to pictures, but it's not a browser |
| 13:39.47 | tralala | vin`: could you try to find an url. I will be more than happy to check it out. |
| 13:39.48 | tarzeau | sparr: i've used feh to display 10000x10000 pictures |
| 13:39.51 | cubiq | tarzeau: How do I launch the post configuration program...I guess I can get the sources from there because Im lost as.. |
| 13:39.52 | vorpal | i have a list of about 50 packages that i accidentally marked for install, and now every time i go to install another package it wants to install these other 50 as well. is there a way i can programmatically deselect these packages, or do i have to do each one interactively with dselect? |
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| 13:40.10 | sparr | vorpal: good luck, i stopped using dselect when that happened |
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| 13:41.17 | nn- | i think there was a way to reset the selections |
| 13:41.19 | Roadrunne | hi all, what's the best way to get php5 running on sarge/stable? using php5 testing or using dotdeb.org? |
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| 13:41.23 | nn- | but i dont remember it |
| 13:41.40 | allan__ | hy |
| 13:41.47 | allan__ | hoy |
| 13:42.18 | allan__ | oi |
| 13:42.21 | allan__ | onde vcs sao |
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| 13:42.44 | allan__ | oi |
| 13:42.50 | argent | allan__, we heard you |
| 13:42.52 | stew | tralala: file:///usr/share/doc/module-assistant/HOWTO |
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| 13:43.07 | johnnyss | hi |
| 13:43.10 | sparr | tarzeau: heh, i use gimp to edit pics that big sometimes :) |
| 13:43.11 | argent | btw, hy to you too allan__ |
| 13:43.19 | sparr | tarzeau: this is why i have 20G of swap |
| 13:43.21 | tralala | stew: file:///usr/share/doc/lirc-modules-source/README.Debian |
| 13:43.27 | stew | !m-a tralala lirc-modules |
| 13:43.27 | argent | hi johnnyss |
| 13:43.27 | dpkg | tralala: to compile and install lirc-modules for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i lirc-modules && modprobe lirc-modules ; if this works echo lirc-modules >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 13:43.51 | tarzeau | sparr: i see. swap is however very much slower. what memory do you have. and what pictures are that? |
| 13:44.03 | tralala | stew: right, I'll check that out, thanks |
| 13:44.06 | johnnyss | Pedersöre municipality seems to have more or less the same logo as debian: http://www.pedersore.fi/ |
| 13:44.11 | tarzeau | sparr: ever tried something like #338110 ? |
| 13:44.31 | allan__ | oi |
| 13:44.33 | mixter | where could i find a driver for a intel 82573 network card? it seems like the debian installation cannot find my network interface. :-/ |
| 13:44.40 | allan__ | oi |
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| 13:44.45 | tarzeau | !repeat |
| 13:44.45 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:44.53 | tarzeau | !oi |
| 13:44.53 | dpkg | I have a name you know. |
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| 13:45.17 | allan__ | oi |
| 13:45.17 | cubiq | stew: How do I launch the post-installation program in debian? |
| 13:45.18 | allan__ | vc e de onde??? |
| 13:45.29 | argent | allan__, english please |
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| 13:45.34 | argent | !english |
| 13:45.34 | dpkg | english is probably a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 13:45.42 | stew | cubiq: "dpkg --configure -a" will configure any packages where postinst hasn't yet run |
| 13:45.54 | allan__ | not |
| 13:46.03 | stew | cubiq: "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" will reconfigure an already installed package |
| 13:46.08 | Myon | !es |
| 13:46.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:46.10 | allan__ | yor portuguese |
| 13:46.14 | tarzeau | !pt |
| 13:46.15 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:46.15 | sparr | tarzeau: swap is slow, but gimp out-of-memory paging on its own is very slow |
| 13:46.27 | cubiq | great thx |
| 13:46.32 | sparr | tarzeau: i have 1GB PC2700. the pics are composites of large satellite and aerial photos |
| 13:46.34 | tarzeau | sparr: will you report the bug for firefox? |
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| 13:46.46 | tarzeau | sparr: got some photos online? |
| 13:47.00 | sparr | no, and no. |
| 13:47.06 | tralala | stew: oh, that's just a standard m-a command. You should really read the README before suggesting a standard solution for a specific case that you (obviously) don't know |
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| 13:47.10 | sparr | i wont report the bug because it seems that people with newer ff than me dont have it |
| 13:47.26 | sparr | and said photos became posters then got deleted. who keeps 10kx10k images online other than nasa? |
| 13:47.34 | tarzeau | sparr: i've got ff 1.5.0.1 with the problem |
| 13:47.53 | tarzeau | sparr: i don't know others than nasa either |
| 13:48.04 | stew | tralala: m-a tells me that it knows how to install lirc-modules, if it doesn't please file a bug against m-a |
| 13:49.12 | tralala | stew: it may say it knows but did you actually compile it? |
| 13:49.20 | allan__ | I do not know as this functions xat |
| 13:49.23 | allan__ | ? |
| 13:49.26 | vorpal | sparr, your comment was helpful after all. i was able to do it with aptitude ;-) |
| 13:49.39 | sparr | vorpal: the same problem will happen in aptitude :) |
| 13:49.56 | allan__ | how it is? |
| 13:50.04 | vorpal | sparr: at least it has a "keep-all" function |
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| 13:50.12 | nn- | sparr: maybe the nasa is broke because of their traffic bill ;) |
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| 13:51.46 | allan__ | oi |
| 13:51.53 | allan__ | ola |
| 13:52.04 | Myon | allan__: /join #debian-br |
| 13:52.14 | stew | tralala: no i didn't |
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| 13:53.09 | allan__ | ola |
| 13:53.19 | tralala | stew: I never could. And the docs suggest a different way of compiling it that works. It needs the kernel sources though. |
| 13:54.06 | stew | tralala: did you file a bug? |
| 13:54.19 | allan__ | oi |
| 13:54.32 | allan__ | myon ola |
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| 13:54.54 | tralala | stew: do you think I should file a bug, given that the package docs describe the way to get it working? |
| 13:55.12 | stew | tralala: yes |
| 13:56.07 | tralala | hmmm |
| 13:56.08 | tralala | maybe I will |
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| 13:56.10 | allan__ | tralala ola |
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| 13:56.31 | stew | tralala: m-a lists it as a module it should be able to compile, if it can't its either a bug in m-a or a bug in lirc-module-source |
| 13:56.58 | tralala | allan__: stop trolling |
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| 13:58.54 | stew | tralala: #342573 |
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| 13:59.01 | stew | tralala: that is the reason i can't compile it here |
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| 14:00.45 | tralala | stew: so it has been reported already |
| 14:02.40 | stew | tralala: yeah. but that is just for the lirc module, other lirc modules seem to build fine with m-a |
| 14:02.46 | allan__ | tem brasileiro ai ??????????????????????????? |
| 14:02.47 | allan__ | tem brasileiro ai ??????????????????????????? |
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| 14:03.04 | stew | tralala: and this means that the method in README would see the same results |
| 14:03.20 | infernix | !br |
| 14:03.20 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:05.17 | tralala | stew: let me see if the problem is the same with me. I know that I have compiled it with make-kpkg (the method of the bugreport) and never could with m-a |
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| 14:18.06 | Storkme | how can i install kernel 2.6.16-1-k7-smp ? |
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| 14:18.23 | pipeline | Storkme: The same way you install anything else :P |
| 14:18.41 | Storkme | apt-get? |
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| 14:19.03 | vrt | hello all, i have a 2.6.8 kernel.. cmiiw, it comes patched with the freeswan implementation. |
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| 14:19.11 | vrt | i see pluto running during boot.. |
| 14:19.21 | Storkme | pipeline, with apt-get ? |
| 14:19.28 | vrt | but i don't see anything related to ipsec in /proc/sys/net/ |
| 14:19.33 | vrt | is this expected? |
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| 14:20.25 | flagman | hello everybody!! |
| 14:20.32 | flagman | need help plz |
| 14:20.48 | SilverMoonDragon | flagman, ask |
| 14:21.09 | sirana | anybody here who speak german and can help me ? |
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| 14:21.21 | flagman | i need help to configure postfix with mysql |
| 14:21.25 | suyog | what's it, flagman? |
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| 14:22.01 | SilverMoonDragon | sirana, #debian-de |
| 14:22.04 | sirana | thx' |
| 14:22.32 | flagman | i've installed postfix |
| 14:22.39 | stew | tralala: looking at the code involved in the i2c module of lirc, i don't see how it could possibly compile with my 2.6.15 kernel |
| 14:22.40 | flagman | and mysql |
| 14:23.19 | SlayerXP | flagman: two poor decisions in a row. |
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| 14:23.33 | flagman | and i need help to configure main.cf |
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| 14:23.57 | flagman | i have potfix version 2 |
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| 14:24.09 | brosioz | help, nvtv works only with nv drivers ? or works also with nvidia ? nvtv doesn't recornise my 6600 videocards |
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| 14:24.32 | itguy_ | quick question |
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| 14:24.45 | SlayerXP | flagman: you could try #postfix |
| 14:25.13 | flagman | no one answer me there |
| 14:25.20 | flagman | only 4 users there |
| 14:25.27 | SlayerXP | flagman: then use a more popular MTA |
| 14:25.30 | itguy_ | what is architectures? e.g Alpha, Intel X86 ... and how i know which one i have? |
| 14:25.42 | allan__ | znx ola |
| 14:25.52 | flagman | postfix is popular,i think |
| 14:26.01 | SlayerXP | itguy: generally speaking, it's the type of processor your computer has. you probably have something x86 based. |
| 14:26.02 | deyan | I see 149 guys at #postfix |
| 14:26.09 | allan__ | dennis ola cara vc e brasilei |
| 14:26.15 | jeb-- | Is there somehow to find out where I got the configuration file for X? I just deleted /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /etc/X11/XF86Config-1 - but X still runs smoothly - how come? |
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| 14:26.43 | plasmoduck_ | whereis eggdrop.conf in debian |
| 14:26.51 | itguy_ | SlayerXP: and how can i check ...please |
| 14:26.55 | berzerka | jeb--: loog in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, there is a line which states which config was taken. |
| 14:27.00 | berzerka | look |
| 14:27.00 | flagman | what ineed exactly its an example of main.cf with mysql |
| 14:27.01 | SlayerXP | plasmoduck_: http://packagesdebian.org/ |
| 14:27.02 | stew | plasmoduck_: read /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/README.Debian |
| 14:27.05 | SlayerXP | plasmoduck_: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 14:27.08 | jeb-- | berzerk. ok! |
| 14:27.09 | deyan | flagman, there are 149 guys at #postfix |
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| 14:27.16 | SlayerXP | itguy_: try "uname -a" |
| 14:27.20 | stew | plasmoduck_: it sould be in /etc/ or /etc/eggdrop |
| 14:27.34 | flagman | i see just 4users |
| 14:27.36 | flagman | ? |
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| 14:27.44 | SlayerXP | flagman: maybe they're hiding from you |
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| 14:28.10 | flagman | why im frankenstein? |
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| 14:28.29 | berzerka | jeb--: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep config --> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 14:28.33 | stew | jeb--: what version does "X -version" report on the first line of output? |
| 14:28.33 | itguy_ | SlayerXP: 2.6.8-2-386 #1 |
| 14:28.44 | deyan | flagman, make sure you enter #postfix |
| 14:29.05 | SlayerXP | itguy: the "386" bit is the clue. you have a x86 based computer. try "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 14:29.10 | flagman | im in man |
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| 14:29.24 | itguy_ | SlayerXP: i know that i have the Intel x86...but this is only because the person help me install debian said download that pkg |
| 14:29.39 | allan__ | oi |
| 14:29.40 | allan__ | o |
| 14:29.41 | allan__ | io |
| 14:29.41 | allan__ | i |
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| 14:29.41 | flagman | and u can't help me? |
| 14:30.04 | stew | !ops can you please +q allan__ |
| 14:30.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: can you please +q allan__ |
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| 14:30.08 | SlayerXP | flagman: you haven't explained your problem clearly and concisely. |
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| 14:30.42 | SlayerXP | or, indeed, at all. |
| 14:30.56 | stew | LoRez: thanks |
| 14:31.29 | itguy | SlayerXP: yeah it's an intel |
| 14:31.44 | itguy | stew: hey man how are you doing...long time ? |
| 14:31.47 | itguy | for me |
| 14:31.54 | jeb-- | berzerka, stew> It seem to run some automatically generated config file - but thing is that everything works beatifully except that I need to change kbd/keyboard from us to sv - how can I do this? |
| 14:31.56 | flagman | the problem that i didn't understand the use of the parametre in main.cf |
| 14:32.15 | stew | !drxx jeb-- |
| 14:32.15 | dpkg | jeb--: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:32.37 | stew | itguy: i'm well. you? i'm about to go enjoy some of the nice weather we're having in NYC by going for a long bike ride |
| 14:33.06 | itguy | lucky man ,CA sucks rain everyday man |
| 14:33.14 | jeb-- | stew- I know... but isn\t there any direct command to change the keyboard settings? |
| 14:33.18 | flagman | does anybody here ever use postfix with mysql? |
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| 14:34.02 | jeb-- | stew/ is it possible to make a dump file of this generated config file that I am running now>? |
| 14:34.13 | stew | jeb--: what version does "X -version" report on the first line of output? |
| 14:34.26 | stew | itguy: that's not how i remember CA |
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| 14:34.42 | jeb-- | stew/ 6.9.0 |
| 14:34.43 | stew | jeb--: "setxkbmap sv" will set it for one session |
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| 14:34.53 | jeb-- | stew/ thanks! great |
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| 14:34.59 | stew | jeb--: "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf" will show you the config its using |
| 14:35.03 | itguy | stew: i know i don't know whats wrong man...i'm waitting for the sun too |
| 14:35.30 | jeb-- | stew/ no, I deleted it.... |
| 14:35.32 | dennis_p | testing ppc: is install yaboot the last and final step of the installer? |
| 14:36.00 | dennis_p | It seemed ready and i selected the monitor resolutions |
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| 14:36.08 | itguy | stew: can u guide me real quick on how i can remote connect to debian from work using xp box |
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| 14:36.50 | kronoz | itguy: PuTTy |
| 14:37.00 | stew | jeb--: touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf && md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:37.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:37.17 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:37.21 | stew | itguy: putty is the best ssh client for windows |
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| 14:37.44 | itguy | !info putty |
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| 14:37.51 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-3 (sid), Packaged size: 278 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 14:38.24 | itguy | stew: so i can use the remote desktop in windows and i connect to my debian box |
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| 14:38.37 | jbaloul | hi all |
| 14:38.38 | jeb-- | # setxkbmap sv / Error loading new keyboard description <-- is the message I get |
| 14:38.45 | tarzeau | jeb--: xorg, right? |
| 14:38.54 | jeb-- | xorg, yeah |
| 14:39.02 | tarzeau | jeb--: i'd like to know how to get that working again, too |
| 14:39.09 | dennis_p | Now debian wants to erase a partition to install yaboot but i'm moving the harddisk to an old world mac with mac os 9 bootx kernel loader, so has the installation completed and can I shut it down. Or will it configure something after 'select monitor resolutions' and 'install yaboot' ? |
| 14:39.26 | itguy | stew: <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. when i did info putty |
| 14:39.46 | itguy | stew: should i run apt-get update |
| 14:39.49 | digits | jeb--, tarzeau: trying to get swedish keyboard? |
| 14:40.02 | tarzeau | digits: no i have de_CH and en |
| 14:40.08 | jbaloul | i would like to burn my customized debian system onto a bootcd and have my own bootable distro, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:40.18 | tarzeau | only swedisch thing i'd want are girls |
| 14:40.24 | digits | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 14:41.52 | jeb-- | HALLELUJA! sv_SV didn't work, and neither sw - but sv!!! woho! |
| 14:41.54 | jeb-- | thanks all! |
| 14:42.09 | digits | jeb--: se_SV |
| 14:42.11 | dennis_p | jbaloul: debian testing live cd with installer see kanotix.com on how to customize debian testing |
| 14:42.33 | jeb-- | digit: sv funkade fint. |
| 14:42.38 | digits | jeb--: ok |
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| 14:43.38 | jbaloul | dennis_p, thanks man, i will check it out |
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| 14:46.12 | boguh__ | hi, i want to suspend my notebook, but there is noch file /proc/acpi/sleep |
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| 14:47.54 | dennis_p | so anyone know is installation/configuration cmomplete afetre kernel install and setting display resolutions, can I shut down now? there is no option to skip the mac bootloader install step and i guess it is ok to turn off computer |
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| 14:48.52 | c4_ | what is a good choice to develop aplications in "visual" C++? what IDE should i use? what are the best choices? |
| 14:49.03 | itguy_ | exit |
| 14:49.21 | Gandalfar | c4_: vim or eclipse :) |
| 14:49.29 | Gandalfar | c4_: oh, maybe visual emacs |
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| 14:50.12 | Bucciarati | c4_: vim is the way |
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| 14:51.13 | c4_ | ok |
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| 14:51.59 | c4_ | Bucciarati, Gandalfar: and do i get a kde like aplication with that? |
| 14:52.12 | Bucciarati | c4_: gvim |
| 14:52.17 | c4_ | ok |
| 14:52.24 | Madsy | c4_: Try Code::Blocks and see if you like it. |
| 14:52.39 | c4_ | so, vim-gtk? |
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| 14:52.45 | c4_ | ok |
| 14:52.56 | dennis_p | or kdevelop |
| 14:52.57 | Bucciarati | c4_: g is not for gtk |
| 14:53.04 | Madsy | http://www.codeblocks.org/ |
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| 14:53.18 | c4_ | aa... ok |
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| 14:53.38 | [teck] | hi |
| 14:53.39 | [teck] | xD |
| 14:53.48 | machuidel | I'm trying to get debian to boot from a labelled ext2 partition using initramfs. When booting, initramfs fails saying that it was unable to mount the root (labelled) filesystem and drops me into a busybox shell. It noticed there's no "/dev/disk" directory available which should contain "by-label" what could imply that udev isn't running. Now, after waiting for a minute or so the "/dev/disk" directory gets created. What could be wrong? Ho |
| 14:53.48 | machuidel | w can I see where "udev" is hanging? |
| 14:53.58 | Serial | hi guys |
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| 14:54.14 | Serial | i think nothing :P |
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| 14:55.12 | dennis_p | c4_: check planetkde.org to see how others are doing it, pick a person and look at their blog history |
| 14:55.21 | valdyn | machuidel: the devices as seen by your initrd are _inside_ that initrd image, udev will hardly be a part in that but started only _after_ the initrd is no longer used |
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| 14:56.42 | c4_ | ok |
| 14:56.51 | valdyn | machuidel: iows: udev has nothing to do with your error |
| 14:57.51 | machuidel | valdyn: I'm using initramfs instead of initrd. I get dropped into the initramfs busybox shell and only after waiting for several minutes the "/dev/disk/by-label" node including symbolic links gets created. |
| 14:58.35 | machuidel | the root filesystem is not being mounted |
| 14:58.46 | dennis_p | is the debian testing installer ready after it asks what resolutions your display supports? |
| 14:58.53 | valdyn | machuidel: that doesnt imply that /dev/disk/* is needed to boot or that udev has anything to do with your error |
| 14:59.28 | valdyn | dennis_p: you're already past the installer if you saw that question |
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| 15:00.04 | machuidel | I need /dev/disk/* because I name my filesystem using labels. Like "root=LABEL=rootfs" |
| 15:00.24 | resiak | You don't need /dev/disk for that... |
| 15:00.27 | valdyn | dennis_p: the questions is triggered by installing X, which might have been triggered by you selecting certain things in tasksel. The installer is no longer involved though |
| 15:01.16 | cubiq | I know I asked it before but what is the easiest way och getting the kernel sources installed on my system? |
| 15:01.26 | resiak | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 15:01.31 | paotsin | hello, will there be a problem if i run amd64 on a 64bit p4? ive seen a em64t kernel when i did a search on the debian site. |
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| 15:01.47 | dennis_p | valdyn: yes i thought so, so i can shut down without hosing the stuff installed to hd and start working on getting the bootloader bootx running |
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| 15:01.59 | denis22 | hi all |
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| 15:02.15 | valdyn | paotsin: debian/amd64 runs on emt64 cpus, those kernels are more hardware specific than the distro |
| 15:02.19 | machuidel | resiak: then, what do I need for that? |
| 15:02.20 | denis22 | how do i create an iso file from the command line |
| 15:02.21 | cubiq | Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 15:02.39 | valdyn | dennis_p: yes |
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| 15:02.46 | dennis_p | thanks |
| 15:03.15 | Babbage | Does anybody know roughtly when /dev/zero was introduced to Unix? |
| 15:03.16 | resiak | machuidel: Oh, actually, I don't know about using labels in the kernel arguments. Sorry. |
| 15:03.33 | resiak | cubiq: apt-cache search linux-source then |
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| 15:04.03 | submarineshaun | hello everyone |
| 15:04.07 | valdyn | Babbage: it was introducedto Unix(tm) ? |
| 15:04.24 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I keep trying to run btdownloadheadless as a cron job during the night. The problem is it never works, I keep getting the errors: must be connected to a terminal, or terminal not found, etc. Unfortunately Google doesn't seem to have a solution. Or my Googling is really bad. Any ideas? |
| 15:04.31 | machuidel | rasiak: no problem, I'll just drop my question on the mailinglist ;) |
| 15:04.45 | resiak | That's a new misspelling. |
| 15:04.45 | Babbage | valdyn, yes |
| 15:04.55 | cubiq | resiak: OK, gonna try it... |
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| 15:05.28 | submarineshaun | ive just done a complete reinstall of debian sarge 31r1 with 2.6 kernel; i ve not touched it, not even logged in yet. would anyone might holding my hand and talking me getting sound up and running, becuase this will be the 6th time ive tried |
| 15:05.35 | valdyn | ArtVandalae: use 'screen btdownloadcurses' |
| 15:05.38 | machuidel | ArtVandalae, already tried to run it from screen? |
| 15:05.45 | ArtVandalae | yep, tried screen |
| 15:05.46 | machuidel | oops :) |
| 15:05.55 | machuidel | okay |
| 15:05.57 | valdyn | ArtVandalae: or headless, whatever |
| 15:06.09 | dennis_p | valdyn: cool, pressing ESC did allow me to skip installing yaboot and then it gave me the kernel boot parameters for if I want to do it manually. |
| 15:06.11 | machuidel | hmm, I never had problems using screen |
| 15:06.14 | machuidel | for that |
| 15:06.23 | ArtVandalae | hmm... |
| 15:07.25 | denis22 | submarinesshaun: have you run alsa-config from the command line |
| 15:07.30 | sirana | i've got a problem - debian don't find my soundcard (sry 4 bad english ^^ ) |
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| 15:07.52 | valdyn | !wikifaq sirana UseSound |
| 15:07.53 | dpkg | sirana: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSound or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:07.58 | cubiq | resiak: apt-chache search linux-source didn't return anything |
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| 15:08.08 | cubiq | cache |
| 15:08.09 | valdyn | !wikifaq sirana UseSoundCard |
| 15:08.09 | dpkg | sirana: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:08.14 | sirana | its the onboard soundcard of the A7N8X-XE |
| 15:08.15 | machuidel | ArtVandalae, I just tried to do it myself |
| 15:08.28 | resiak | cubiq: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:08.29 | machuidel | same problem :) |
| 15:08.30 | plasmoduck_ | whats the telnet command to make eggdrop join a channel? |
| 15:08.31 | submarineshaun | dennis: ive not installed alsa yet, i want to check im issuing the right commands |
| 15:09.04 | cubiq | sarge2 -uname -a > Linux debian 2.6.12-1-i386 |
| 15:09.30 | ArtVandalae | alright thanks anyway machuidel |
| 15:09.36 | denis22 | sucmarineshaun: ok does deb see your card when it boots up |
| 15:09.42 | submarineshaun | i would do an apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-base, run alsaconf but as soon as i got to run alsamixer; i started seeing error |
| 15:09.57 | resiak | cubiq: What does `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 | awk '{ print $3 }'` say? |
| 15:10.04 | valdyn | !tell submarineshaun -about ask |
| 15:10.16 | machuidel | No problem and good luck trying |
| 15:10.28 | plasmoduck_ | whats the telnet command to make eggdrop join a channel? |
| 15:10.34 | resiak | Why not ask the eggdrop folks |
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| 15:11.15 | plasmoduck_ | I cant join |
| 15:11.16 | submarineshaun | im not sure if its seeing my card, how would I tell? |
| 15:11.25 | paotsin | valdyn, thanks, my pc is swapping... damn firefox... =) |
| 15:11.29 | cubiq | resiak: 2.3.5-6 |
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| 15:12.10 | submarineshaun | i know im supposed to be using the snd_atiixp driver |
| 15:12.11 | resiak | cubiq: That's not Sarge. What version of Debian are you actually running? |
| 15:12.22 | resiak | cubiq: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:12.38 | denis22 | submarineshaun : when your sys boots up it displays what it is picking up like your harddrives etc |
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| 15:12.49 | cahoot_ | submarineshaun: can you modprobe that module? |
| 15:13.09 | submarineshaun | no |
| 15:13.16 | cahoot_ | not found? |
| 15:13.27 | submarineshaun | yes; though its listed in lsmod |
| 15:13.43 | cahoot_ | so already loaded |
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| 15:13.57 | denis22 | submarineshaun : whats the module name |
| 15:14.01 | cubiq | resiak: doh! testing/unstable. Just remember that I burned down an image containing a custom kernel just to get my SATA disk working...Ooops |
| 15:14.12 | cahoot_ | submarineshaun: does /proc/asound exist? |
| 15:14.24 | submarineshaun | module is snd_atiixp |
| 15:14.40 | submarineshaun | cahoot_: yes |
| 15:14.48 | cahoot_ | submarineshaun: does /proc/asound/cards exist? |
| 15:14.59 | submarineshaun | yes |
| 15:15.07 | resiak | cubiq: Kernel source packages are called linux-source-$foo where $foo is a version in post-Sarge Debians. `apt-cache search linux-source` does return package names; you can then apt-get install the one you want |
| 15:15.08 | cahoot_ | submarineshaun: run alsamixer |
| 15:15.21 | sirana | valdyn: that link doens't help me realy - i am a noob in debian ... and i understand english not sooo good... |
| 15:15.38 | norskfjord | whats the telnet command to make eggdrop join a channel? |
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| 15:16.04 | srivasta__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.06 | denis22 | submarineshaun : what version of kernel are u using |
| 15:16.26 | submarineshaun | denis22: 2.6.8-2-386, default sarge 2.6 tree |
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| 15:16.42 | submarineshaun | cahoot_: you want to see the error i get when i run alsamixer? |
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| 15:16.45 | cubiq | resiak: So I should use apt-get install linux-source-$foo instead of kernel-source? |
| 15:17.02 | cahoot_ | submarineshaun: yes - in a pastebin of > 2 lines |
| 15:17.06 | denis22 | submarineshaun : thereis known problem in that kernel and your sound card |
| 15:17.19 | resiak | cubiq: yes. When I say $foo, I mean "pick the version you want and replace $foo with that". You can find the available versions with apt-cache search linux-image |
| 15:17.23 | submarineshaun | so, i upgrade? |
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| 15:17.32 | submarineshaun | or is there a patch? |
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| 15:18.50 | norskfjord | .channel #networking |
| 15:18.51 | norskfjord | No such channel. |
| 15:19.05 | mplex | I have a dual cpu box running hyperthreading so it looks like a quad cpu box, my question is about load, should I try to keep load under 2.00 or 4.00 on a hpyerthreaded box? |
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| 15:19.18 | denis22 | submarineshaun : kernel is upto 2.6.15 so updatemight be bst |
| 15:19.23 | resiak | 2.6.16! |
| 15:19.47 | ozux | I search a apt pin article !? |
| 15:19.53 | submarineshaun | ok; how would i go about that, consider my linux box isnt connected to the net? |
| 15:20.10 | srivasta__ | actually, upstream is at 2.6.16.1 |
| 15:20.19 | denis22 | submarineshaun : go to internet cafe or a friends |
| 15:20.29 | submarineshaun | would it be best just to burn a source tarball to disk and recompile the old fashioned way? |
| 15:20.53 | submarineshaun | or will that break things in debian? |
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| 15:21.59 | grendal_prime | ok when exactly did the /etc/defaults dir come into the picture and exactly what is it? |
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| 15:22.22 | grendal_prime | because im starting to think alot of what im tryin to do has already be set up in that dir...but im not exactly sure |
| 15:22.38 | denis22 | submarineshaun : i dont think the difference is that great between your current kernel and the lastest , maybe you could even get 2.6.9 |
| 15:23.09 | valdyn | grendal_prime: preferences for programs that only take command line options |
| 15:23.10 | cubiq | resiak: did you men apt-get install linux-source or linux-image becasue I can' find any linux-source packages...Where does the source endup on the system? Has it moved from /usr/src? |
| 15:23.20 | submarineshaun | ill do that, but will i break things if i recompile the old fashioned way, rather than use apt-get? |
| 15:23.20 | valdyn | grendal_prime: programs/services |
| 15:23.25 | grendal_prime | aaa |
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| 15:23.42 | valdyn | grendal_prime: or settings that can only be set via command line |
| 15:23.43 | grendal_prime | similar to the old ..."services" deal in redhat |
| 15:24.03 | grendal_prime | or mybe they called it sysconfig |
| 15:24.37 | denis22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.41 | srivasta__ | cubiq: should still be in /usr/src/ |
| 15:24.55 | grendal_prime | cant remember hmm..well crap..ive got my vpn doing what i want at this point..but i used a conf file outsiide of the /etc/defaults/openvpn file. |
| 15:25.04 | srivasta__ | cubiq: less /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-source-*.list |
| 15:25.24 | cubiq | srivasta__: checking :) |
| 15:25.45 | grendal_prime | so i should copy my server config for openvpn into that config file? because thats what /etc/init.d is going to look at ...and i do want it on system boot |
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| 15:26.48 | suyog | what's the equivalent of sysconfig in debian? |
| 15:26.56 | valdyn | !sysconfig |
| 15:27.02 | valdyn | suyog: what is sysconfig? |
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| 15:27.15 | suyog | there used to be a command in red hat. |
| 15:27.29 | Gnea | sysconfig is a redhat thing |
| 15:27.32 | grendal_prime | well on the fedora systems..there was a folder that kept all the "services" |
| 15:27.32 | Gnea | it's not in debian |
| 15:27.38 | suyog | it was something like that. to start or stop services from starting at bootup |
| 15:27.51 | grendal_prime | ya that what i was compairing /etc/defaults to |
| 15:27.53 | valdyn | grendal_prime: like /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 15:27.56 | denis22 | anyone know about creating iso files |
| 15:27.58 | Gnea | suyog: that's all done the proper way through /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:28.00 | poli | Hello all. I am trying to hear a .ra (real audio) stream. Is there any package that can handle it? (totem says a 'Cook' plugin is need...) |
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| 15:28.14 | suyog | so, how do i modify init.d? |
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| 15:28.39 | ozux | denis22: In debian?! |
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| 15:28.40 | valdyn | grendal_prime: /etc/default/ does not contain all services nor is it specific to services, most services have their own specific config files in /etc/ |
| 15:28.50 | grendal_prime | righth |
| 15:28.57 | Gnea | suyog: read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 15:29.06 | srivasta__ | isn't there a realplayer installer in contrib/non-free ? |
| 15:29.10 | grendal_prime | well thats where i put in the config and static key for my openvpn. |
| 15:29.11 | denis22 | yes from the command line |
| 15:29.12 | jacobo_ | with exim4 installed, it takes about 2 minutes to boot at "Starting MTA:". how can i stop with without removing exim? |
| 15:29.17 | suyog | ah... okay!! |
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| 15:29.22 | poli | srivasta__: dunni |
| 15:29.24 | srivasta__ | I seem to recall realplayer had a linux package on their site, and that plugged into firefox etc |
| 15:29.25 | ozux | denis22: with K3B or GnomeBaker or in command line mkisofs |
| 15:29.29 | poli | srivasta__: don't know. let me see |
| 15:29.37 | valdyn | jacobo_: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' and disable dns lookups |
| 15:29.41 | grendal_prime | but...when the machine boots, init.d looks at /etc/defaults/openvpn |
| 15:29.50 | poli | srivasta__: apt-cache search realplayer tells me nothing |
| 15:29.56 | denis22 | ok but how |
| 15:30.15 | ozux | denis22: in wich?! |
| 15:30.17 | valdyn | grendal_prime: did you read the init script? |
| 15:30.23 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 15:30.46 | denis22 | in command line ---do i make empty iso first and then add stuff |
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| 15:30.51 | nuxil | hi all.. can some one tell me what exact file sets the kdm as the login manager? or any login manager,, im using sarge.. i tryed to look at Xsession but it didnt make me wizer |
| 15:31.11 | valdyn | poli: you dont really need realplayer, just w32codecs ( /msg dpkg marillat ) |
| 15:31.12 | azeem | srivasta__: there's realplayer on http://www.debian-unofficial.org/packages.html, of dubious legal origin, of course |
| 15:31.12 | Gnea | denis22: man mkisofs |
| 15:31.18 | grendal_prime | i dont see any mention of where my config file (which by the way is just named "config") is currently located /etc/openvpn |
| 15:31.28 | poli | valdyn: That would be a better option. Thank you. |
| 15:31.37 | grendal_prime | oops |
| 15:31.38 | grendal_prime | my bad |
| 15:31.42 | grendal_prime | third line |
| 15:31.43 | grendal_prime | CONFIG_DIR=/etc/openvpn |
| 15:31.44 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 15:31.45 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 15:31.57 | jacobo_ | valdyn, thanks! |
| 15:31.59 | Gnea | grendal_prime: it should be somesystem.conf |
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| 15:32.28 | grendal_prime | Gnea, ok and openvpnd will understand it if its called openvpn.conf ? |
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| 15:32.46 | Gnea | grendal_prime: yes, although i don't know why you'd want to do that |
| 15:32.46 | grendal_prime | or does it need to be like...home.conf or office2.conf |
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| 15:32.57 | ozux | denis22: In command line:: mkisofs -r - ISO_nae.iso directory1/ |
| 15:32.59 | denis22 | ok but how do i fill it with files then |
| 15:33.05 | Gnea | grendal_prime: as long as it has a .conf after it, it's fine |
| 15:33.07 | ozux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.24 | sirana | how can i install my soundkart (onboard card from the ASUS A7N8X-XE ) |
| 15:33.29 | Gnea | grendal_prime: it'll just pick it right up automatically - all .conf files - it's explained in the documentation |
| 15:33.32 | grendal_prime | well Gnea it would make sense to have several of them...you know one for each offsite user. |
| 15:33.36 | tarzeau | !sound |
| 15:33.36 | dpkg | i heard sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 15:33.38 | valdyn | alsa one-liner |
| 15:33.42 | grendal_prime | thanks Gnea |
| 15:33.45 | valdyn | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:33.45 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 15:33.47 | Gnea | grendal_prime: of course |
| 15:33.53 | tarzeau | abrotman is missing! |
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| 15:34.04 | Gnea | !seen abrotman |
| 15:34.05 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11h 36m 20s ago, saying: 'stazo: that does sound like a bug to me .. you could try emailing debian-kernel@lists.debian.org .. or just file a bug using reportbug'. |
| 15:34.14 | ozux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.14 | nuxil | !kdm |
| 15:34.14 | dpkg | kdm is probably the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 15:34.40 | mixter | hi! i've found some iso-files for 3.1r1a, but i cannot find any info about that version on debian.org. is it a unofficial subversion? |
| 15:34.42 | denis22 | ozux: does this import the contents of directory1 into my iso |
| 15:34.46 | nuxil | hmm |
| 15:35.36 | ozux | denis22: I think yes, You can mont this Iso! |
| 15:35.45 | Gnea | mixter: where did you find them? |
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| 15:36.02 | mixter | Gnea: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 15:36.14 | TPC | what would be a good key to make it run "echo conservative > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" at boot? |
| 15:36.17 | TPC | good place* |
| 15:36.22 | ozux | denis22: mount -t iso9660 -o loop iso_name.iso /mnt/a_directory |
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| 15:36.43 | valdyn | TPC: make it yourself |
| 15:36.55 | Gnea | mixter: looks genuine to me |
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| 15:37.01 | valdyn | TPC: ( the place ) |
| 15:37.08 | TPC | valdyn, what do you mean? create my own init script? |
| 15:37.11 | denis22 | ozux: oh so i first make empty ios then mount it and then i can then write files to it ? |
| 15:37.24 | resiak | cubiq: I meant linux-source. The packages put things into /usr/src/ |
| 15:37.24 | mixter | Gnea: i found that link from the official site, but i've never heard of any version 3.1r1a :-/ |
| 15:37.26 | valdyn | TPC: exactly |
| 15:37.28 | TPC | ok |
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| 15:37.53 | Gnea | mixter: it's just the 1a release of 3.1 (sarge) |
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| 15:37.55 | valdyn | TPC: at least i find it easier to maintain my own scripts than maintaining my own changes in debians scripts ) |
| 15:37.57 | cubiq | resiak: OK, I'm testing different apt sources now... |
| 15:38.20 | resiak | Okay. I'm doing entirely different, non #debian stuff now |
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| 15:39.10 | mixter | Gnea: is that different from 3.1 release 1? why isn't there any info about it on the newspage then? when downloading a netinstall-cd via http instead of bittorrent i only get the r1-version |
| 15:39.11 | ozux | denis22: No, You can Create Iso fiile and before write it to media you ccan mount and chek it. |
| 15:39.16 | maxweber | hello, phppgadmin:4.0.1-2 on etch: i followed readme.debian instructions. when accessing localhost/phppgadmin however the requested url cannot be found? known problem or am i expecting too much wanting out of the box functionality? |
| 15:39.18 | Gnea | mixter: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/ provides an explanation. |
| 15:39.40 | mixter | Gnea: ah! thanks! |
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| 15:39.54 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:40.04 | manlyDaisuke | dpkg: java |
| 15:40.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 15:40.14 | manlyDaisuke | dpkg: install java |
| 15:40.15 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
| 15:40.29 | Gnea | manlyDaisuke: please /msg dpkg |
| 15:40.42 | manlyDaisuke | Gnea: but i have to register with nickserv before i can do that :( |
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| 15:41.01 | Gnea | manlyDaisuke: good. |
| 15:41.10 | Gnea | manlyDaisuke: you should register anyway |
| 15:41.20 | manlyDaisuke | Gnea: i dont see why |
| 15:41.38 | Gnea | manlyDaisuke: please /msg dpkg |
| 15:41.43 | denis22 | ozux: ok so i have empty iso then i mount it via loop , then i add files to it , then i unmount and burn to disc |
| 15:41.44 | suyog | can i share the same folder using both smb and nfs? |
| 15:41.54 | valdyn | suyog: sure |
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| 15:42.13 | suyog | and do all linux boxes need to be on the same domain for nfs to work? |
| 15:42.22 | valdyn | suyog: what? |
| 15:42.30 | valdyn | suyog: domains have nothing to do with this |
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| 15:42.55 | valdyn | suyog: microsfot intruduced a big nameing bullshit with their 'Domain' ) |
| 15:42.58 | suyog | i see!! and where do i find the configuration files for nfs? /etc/nfs?? |
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| 15:43.19 | valdyn | suyog: /etc/exports |
| 15:43.24 | ozux | APT PIN ?! any body know article .. document .. how to?! |
| 15:43.29 | suyog | thank you, valdyn |
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| 15:44.08 | nkuttler | ozux: /msg dpkg pinning? |
| 15:44.23 | ozux | denis22: You can't ! It's read only file system. |
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| 15:44.33 | ozux | denis22: do you test it?! |
| 15:44.45 | manlyDaisuke | dpkg: java-package |
| 15:44.45 | dpkg | [java-package] a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 15:45.17 | suyog | valdyn, after i share the files using nfs, how do the oter computers access them? i don't see anything on "network servers" |
| 15:45.31 | valdyn | suyog: you mount the share |
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| 15:45.55 | valdyn | suyog: like ( iirc ): mount -t nfs server:/path/to/share /mountpoint |
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| 15:46.05 | suyog | i see. |
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| 15:46.19 | denis22 | ozux: no im on a ms box now, so i was going to try later on |
| 15:46.20 | suyog | that's pretty complicated :) |
| 15:46.43 | valdyn | suyog: if you just need to copy files back and forth, just use scp |
| 15:46.50 | suyog | so what happens if the file server reboots? |
| 15:47.07 | suyog | no no. not copying files, it's for sharing movies and music. |
| 15:47.10 | denis22 | ozux: could i mount iso on loop as rw |
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| 15:47.33 | valdyn | suyog: the mounted share should be back when the server is back up |
| 15:47.37 | ozux | denis22: no |
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| 15:48.38 | denis22 | so how do i write to iso |
| 15:48.46 | valdyn | denis22: you cannot do that |
| 15:48.54 | valdyn | denis22: mkisofs is all you can do |
| 15:49.04 | suyog | valdyn, help me out some more. let's say i want to mount /home/suyog/abc which is at 192.168.0.5, how do i do it? |
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| 15:49.27 | valdyn | suyog: mount -t nfs 192.168.0.5:/home/suyog/abc /mountpoint |
| 15:49.28 | debnuB | Hi everyone. Need help reestabilishig my network back on. Got a box running debian sarge 3.1 kernel 2.6.8; laptop with xp and debian sarge 3.1 same kernel. Got a dsl router running linux(busybox) I've messed with my resolv.cond and now the net works but no internet daemon working |
| 15:49.29 | ozux | denis22: You must mount it and copy to other place and then add your files and mkiso .... |
| 15:49.38 | suyog | mount -t -nfs 192.168.0.5:/home/suyog/abc /mountpoint ?? |
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| 15:50.14 | suyog | thanks valdyn !! |
| 15:50.46 | suyog | and i can add it to fstab, right? for automatic mounting at bootup? |
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| 15:51.13 | denis22 | can i inject a folder at the same time as i do mkisofs |
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| 15:51.30 | ozux | denis22: man mkisofs ... great helper ;-) |
| 15:51.38 | ozux | denis22: Inject a folder?! |
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| 15:51.47 | ozux | denis22: what it means?! |
| 15:52.00 | suyog | valdyn, any command to find out which folders the remote computer shares, without munting them? |
| 15:52.17 | denis22 | add a folder of files when using mkisofs |
| 15:52.40 | ozux | denis22: yes , A folder and folders content . |
| 15:52.59 | falkon | I've just run the latest install of 'etch' and I've had something weird happen. I never was asked to go through the apt-setup, so I didn't get to choose and add sources. Does anyone know where to find the apt-setup? |
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| 15:53.19 | denis22 | ok ok i will read man mkisofs!!! |
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| 15:54.02 | ozux | denis22: :D Man page are very good resources, but we don't read they!! |
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| 15:55.19 | denis22 | yes sometimes it hard to understand what they mean and the can be quiet heavy |
| 15:55.39 | mds\ | any krfb users with smp kernels here? no matter what windows vnc client I use to connect to krfb it crashes.. anyone seen this? happens on breezy & dapper |
| 15:55.56 | mds\ | only happens on smp kernel though |
| 15:56.15 | mds\ | and not a prob with krdc |
| 15:56.22 | mds\ | :/ |
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| 15:57.46 | denis22 | CuCullin: you dont play hurling do you!!! |
| 15:58.16 | chance2105 | How can you identify which package a file on your system comes from? |
| 15:58.20 | falkon | I've just run the latest install of 'etch' and I've had something weird happen. I never was asked to go through the apt-setup, so I didn't get to choose and add sources. Does anyone know where to find the apt-setup? |
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| 15:58.30 | debnuB | Hi everyone. Need help reestabilishig my network back on. Got a box running debian sarge 3.1 kernel 2.6.8; laptop with xp and debian sarge 3.1 same kernel. Got a dsl router running linux(busybox) I've messed with my resolv.cond and now the net works but no internet daemon working |
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| 15:59.40 | gelias | what kernel does debian come with by default? does anyone know? |
| 16:00.04 | denis22 | ozux: are u a newbiw with APT PIN |
| 16:00.23 | maxweber | falkon: man 5 apt.conf |
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| 16:02.37 | falkon | maxweber: well, that was uneventful. I still don't see what I'm lookign for |
| 16:02.45 | jmp_me | how do I remove KDE completeley? |
| 16:02.53 | chance2105 | Answered myself: dpkg -S |
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| 16:03.07 | denis22 | chance2105 : do you have kpackage installed |
| 16:03.12 | SilverMoonDragon | gelias, depends on what you have installed. though uname -a should tell you |
| 16:03.37 | maxweber | falkon: hmm, try vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:04.03 | falkon | maxweber: yes, I know this, but thing is, I have to have a list of apt sources to add |
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| 16:05.29 | debnuB | Could you give an help here. at least on reputting my problem. Maybe it's not apropriate to ask these thngs in the channel. Some feedback? |
| 16:05.44 | cahoot | falkon: maybe apt-spy is what you look for |
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| 16:06.40 | maxweber | falkon: not sure i understand what you need, check http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:07.09 | wols_ | falkon: just run apt-setup as root |
| 16:07.13 | denis22 | anybody know how to boot an iso file without first burning it to cd or where to find help on this |
| 16:07.25 | wols_ | denis22: you can't |
| 16:07.28 | wols_ | not booting it |
| 16:07.54 | denis22 | knoppix allowed it but its limited to knoppix |
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| 16:08.17 | wols_ | knoppix will not allow to _boot_ a ISO file. no OS can do this. |
| 16:08.24 | wols_ | except if you do something like run inside vmware |
| 16:08.32 | falkon | wols_: I'm logged in as root. apt-setup: command not found |
| 16:08.32 | wols_ | so ask your question again more clearly |
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| 16:08.36 | nuxil | hi all |
| 16:08.38 | solid_liq | denis22: I think you can actually do that with vmware |
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| 16:08.51 | nuxil | where is kde's envoerment beeing set? |
| 16:09.05 | wols_ | falkon: (almost) impossible. apt-setup is part of base-config |
| 16:09.10 | pipeline | denis22: kexec makes it possible to some extent -- not a good idea. |
| 16:09.10 | wols_ | and you really need base.config |
| 16:09.10 | petemc | wols_: knoppix can boot from an iso |
| 16:09.14 | nuxil | like what sets KDEHOME=path and KDEDIR=path |
| 16:09.27 | denis22 | yes it does but you do have to boot from a knoppix cd first then pass kernel option for other iso that is on hard drive |
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| 16:09.33 | nuxil | and export it? |
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| 16:09.50 | wols_ | petemc: how? at the point in time it boots, it doesn't have any routines to think of a file as CD or floppy. so how would it work? |
| 16:09.51 | falkon | wols_: apparantly not anymore. the script for it isn't in the base-config directory |
| 16:10.00 | roler | i know that in the kernel under APM there is a idle call option to cool down the cpu, but it says it does not work with dual cpu systems... I have a dual core system, will it work since it is kind of one cpu? |
| 16:10.01 | solid_liq | nuxil: you can set those in your ~/.profile if you wish to change them |
| 16:10.24 | wols_ | petemc: when a PC boots there is only BIOS nothing else. so it's kinda hard to boot |
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| 16:10.55 | denis22 | at least knoppix 3.9 did |
| 16:10.56 | solid_liq | nuxil: or in a script which calls startx afterwards. That's how I do multiple versions of KDE installed in parallel (like for testing betas) |
| 16:10.58 | wols_ | roler: no afaik. there has been problems particularly with dualcore/smp and powersaving lately |
| 16:11.41 | wols_ | then it does NOT boot. it just loades another kenrel via loadlin or similar which then can access the ISO (the kernel can). This is NOT booting |
| 16:11.53 | petemc | wols_: im not aware of the details, but i have the knoppix hacks book at home and it explains how to do this and how it is done |
| 16:12.04 | roler | ok also |
| 16:12.09 | wols_ | petemc: still no boot process |
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| 16:12.22 | petemc | wols_: huh? |
| 16:12.23 | wols_ | if you run DOS and then loadlin.exe, this is not booting linux either |
| 16:12.30 | nuxil | solid_liq, i have a issue with kdm .. cos it dosent understand that my kde3.5.1 is in my home dir.. i havet done a system install on it.. so i need to kill kdm each time and export the new dirs for the kde 3.5.1 then startx |
| 16:12.34 | roler | on my new laptop/debian install, under the screen saver option I don't see an option anymore to turn off my lcd at a certain time... the screen saver dialog is quite different in gnome 2.12 (testing) |
| 16:12.39 | denis22 | no no it WILL boot another knoppix iso from harddrive |
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| 16:13.12 | DeadlySinX | has anyone been able to install and run "linpal" on debian? |
| 16:13.47 | livingtm | how can i make the icons on my gnome desktop smaller? |
| 16:13.49 | DeadlySinX | (ruinedsoft.com) linpal looks so awesome but i can't get it to work. |
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| 16:13.58 | solid_liq | nuxil: change your default runlevel to not start kdm but to just bring you into the shell, then write a script to do that stuff for you |
| 16:14.15 | gmi01 | hello everyone, How can i add hostname completion to bash? |
| 16:14.40 | nuxil | k.. i think i just modify the existing kdm initscript :) |
| 16:14.49 | grepper | nuxil: or create a desktop file that runs said script so you can use kdm |
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| 16:15.46 | denis22 | anyone know how to maake bootable iso from deb |
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| 16:16.16 | denis22 | lets say i have only boot.img file |
| 16:16.43 | stb_ | my kernel lags on my IDE channels.. is there anyway to manually specify drives to speed this up? |
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| 16:16.59 | GoAuLd | stb_ custom kernel ? |
| 16:17.07 | stb_ | GoAuLd: both |
| 16:17.15 | wols_ | petemc: could it be the "bootfrom" you can enter when knoppix starts up? |
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| 16:17.33 | stb_ | i'm pretty sure its during IDE probing |
| 16:17.44 | GoAuLd | recompile kernel |
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| 16:17.51 | GoAuLd | remove generic ide support |
| 16:18.07 | stb_ | ok thx |
| 16:18.19 | wols_ | stb_: recompile kernel and possible "noacpi" "acpi=off" if you have a vrey new chipset |
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| 16:19.21 | stb_ | i have athlon64 via chipset |
| 16:19.23 | GoAuLd | stb_: < > generic/default IDE chipset support |
| 16:19.34 | GoAuLd | that must be deactivated |
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| 16:20.39 | igcek | hello... is it possible to install ubuntu thru internet? |
| 16:20.50 | pipeline | igcek: Ask #ubuntu. |
| 16:20.51 | stb_ | debian != ubuntu |
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| 16:21.32 | denis22 | igcek : if you email them they will post cds out to you |
| 16:22.12 | stb_ | i dont need bootsplash support for userland do i |
| 16:22.19 | stb_ | oskie: splashy et. al |
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| 16:23.03 | suyog | denis22, which other linuxes post cds if u write to them? my bandwidth is very low. |
| 16:23.24 | stb_ | i think turbolinux might |
| 16:24.19 | vin` | suyog: what kind of network? |
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| 16:25.01 | denis22 | dont know of any others but ubuntu, they sent me five copies of ubuntu 5.10 one is a live cd and the other is for hardrive install |
| 16:25.20 | pipeline | denis22, igcek : Ubuntu CDs that they mail out don't have much software on them, though :( |
| 16:25.25 | suyog | vin, dialup. |
| 16:25.33 | vin` | suyog: what kind of modem? |
| 16:25.38 | FinnTux | howto to create a file without holes? I have swapping over nfs in mind |
| 16:25.39 | suyog | 5kbps max download speed :( |
| 16:25.52 | denis22 | about 1500 apps which is not bad really |
| 16:25.54 | suyog | US robotics external modem. |
| 16:25.54 | vin` | suyog: is it a winmodem? |
| 16:26.00 | vin` | suyog: ok, good. |
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| 16:26.18 | suyog | dows the modem make a difference in bandwidth, vin? |
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| 16:26.39 | vin` | suyog: get the biz card iso, ~40MB. |
| 16:26.54 | pipeline | igcek: Your best bet is to buy a sarge CD set. fourteen discs, nearly all the software that's available for linux anywhere in the world :P |
| 16:26.56 | roler | on my new laptop debian installation I am missing the power management features in the screen saver section... Have they moved or am I missing a package??? I really would like my LCD screen to blank after a few minutes of use |
| 16:26.57 | suyog | biz card? what is that, vin? |
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| 16:27.18 | pipeline | igcek: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ is a list of the various CD vendors around the world. Find a vendor who will ship to you cheaply and buy'em. They're usually about 10$ |
| 16:27.19 | suyog | vin`, what is a biz card? |
| 16:27.31 | stb_ | suyog: biz card is a tiny install of debian you can burn onto small CDrs |
| 16:27.31 | pipeline | suyog: It's a CD image small enough to fit on a square CD. |
| 16:27.37 | suyog | i see!!! |
| 16:27.39 | kingmike | Hi ! I'm having problems starting X with kernel 2.4. It works fine with the 2.6, but when I boot the 2.4, I can't start any graphical application. Any idea ? |
| 16:27.44 | Ronin | suyog: business card sized cd |
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| 16:27.52 | kingmike | (I'm using Xorg) |
| 16:27.54 | pipeline | kingmike: if it works with 2.6, why not use 2.6? |
| 16:28.04 | suyog | and the remianing packages, i get by ftp? |
| 16:28.21 | Ronin | suyog: yes using apt-get |
| 16:28.28 | kingmike | pipeline : because I "need" some old modules that don't work with 2.4 |
| 16:28.31 | stb_ | you can always but a CD in later and add it to your sources too |
| 16:28.36 | vin` | suyog: get your modem working, get the rest off the net. |
| 16:28.38 | stb_ | */but/put |
| 16:29.00 | stb_ | I doubt you would need all 10 CDs worth of packages |
| 16:29.02 | kingmike | pipeline : sorry , with 2.6 |
| 16:29.09 | vin` | suyog: get screen and irssi and chat while you're at it. |
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| 16:30.17 | stb_ | how can i be sure my kernel is configured correctly? does a clean dmesg mean anything? |
| 16:30.33 | vin` | stb_: and if everything is working. |
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| 16:30.48 | pipeline | stb_: If you don't configure it, you can be sure that it was configured correctly. |
| 16:30.49 | wols_ | stb_: dmesg is never "clean". it always spits out a lot of stuff |
| 16:31.10 | kronos | Hi Debian Frinds |
| 16:31.12 | vin` | wols_: depends on what it spews. |
| 16:31.13 | wols_ | pipeline: just run a debian kernel from sarge on a nf4 board. good luck |
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| 16:31.26 | pipeline | wols_: Your first mistake was buying a lousy chipset :P |
| 16:31.55 | wols_ | so you want to buy me intel? apparently the new ones have the same proble, :P |
| 16:32.03 | wols_ | and I'd have a crappy cpu to boot |
| 16:32.25 | vin` | suyog: what release are you planning to install? you could save bandwidth if you decide upfront. |
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| 16:33.18 | stb_ | with my custom kernels with ALSA installed alsaconf says no PCI cards found and trying to make the module says already compiled in kernel |
| 16:33.19 | wols_ | stb_: only way to do it with a custom one is booting with it. but keep the old kernels handy |
| 16:33.30 | wols_ | shouldn't be a problem when you use grub and kernel-package |
| 16:33.39 | roler | how do I make my lcd screen blank after a certain time of my laptop being idle? |
| 16:33.59 | kronos | I got a problem with my PC, I have a AMD 64 with ATI Radeon Xpress |
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| 16:34.18 | vin` | kronos: tried #debian-amd64? |
| 16:34.29 | kronos | Some one who know how I soluction this problem |
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| 16:34.54 | vin` | kronos: always just ask. |
| 16:35.13 | wols_ | kronos: No, since we cannot. but we do know how you can ask proper questions. and this one wasn't proper |
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| 16:35.50 | wols_ | abrotman: you there? kronos needs his mind read since is he unable to state what the problem is |
| 16:36.15 | vin` | !sing abrotman |
| 16:36.15 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 16:36.58 | vin` | Phated: moo |
| 16:37.05 | stew | !abrotmoo |
| 16:37.05 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 16:37.22 | vin` | heh |
| 16:38.13 | vin` | s/man/moo/g would make more sense. |
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| 16:39.14 | Phated | vin`: ? |
| 16:39.29 | vin` | Phated: *shrug* |
| 16:39.43 | stew | takatoomoo |
| 16:42.08 | vin` | Phated: just remembered you calling him cakebuttman. |
| 16:42.18 | Phated | eh, Ok. |
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| 16:43.43 | stew | vin`: http://phoenix.lhup.edu/~abrotman/images/wedding.jpg |
| 16:44.22 | vin` | stew: oh yeah. |
| 16:44.33 | thingfish | what is the stain from? |
| 16:44.56 | thingfish | ah, cake |
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| 16:45.24 | thingfish | and that's abrotman? |
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| 16:46.51 | vin` | still no sound? |
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| 16:47.09 | submarineshaun | hi, ive just recompiled my kernel (upgrade to 2.6.16), but ive got a kernel panic on boot |
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| 16:47.34 | submarineshaun | VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 16:47.46 | vin` | submarineshaun: initrd poisoning? |
| 16:47.49 | wols_ | compile in your ide chipset |
| 16:48.01 | wols_ | and check if the root fs is included also |
| 16:48.09 | submarineshaun | vin': whats that? |
| 16:48.13 | wols_ | and forget initrd with your custom kernel |
| 16:48.21 | wols_ | it's just evil |
| 16:48.31 | vin` | submarineshaun: forgetaboutit. |
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| 16:49.08 | submarineshaun | so, reboot to old, check my chipset is compiled in? |
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| 16:49.32 | wols_ | and the root fs. and give it a root= line with menu.lst |
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| 16:49.39 | wols_ | also make NO initrd |
| 16:49.43 | idP | hi |
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| 16:49.47 | submarineshaun | it has, same as my old kernel |
| 16:49.49 | idP | anyone used firestarter ? |
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| 16:50.06 | wols_ | submarineshaun: which is wrong unless you do funky things like / on RAID |
| 16:50.22 | ringo999 | hi there, how can i remove a user (and his home folder) under unix? |
| 16:50.31 | ringo999 | *completely |
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| 16:50.34 | wols_ | ringo999: man userdel |
| 16:50.39 | idP | I see in the active connections window (firestarter) some old sessions that no longer active.. is this a bug ? |
| 16:50.42 | ringo999 | ok thx |
| 16:51.09 | wols_ | RinzeWind: deluser might be better. man deluser |
| 16:51.37 | idP | what is the best firewall in ur opinion ? |
| 16:51.44 | wols_ | idP: did you crosscheck that they're really not in the kernel mem space anymore? |
| 16:51.53 | wols_ | e.g. with netstat |
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| 16:51.59 | wols_ | !best |
| 16:51.59 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:52.16 | idP | !best firewall |
| 16:52.26 | wols_ | you didn't get it did you? |
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| 16:52.32 | wols_ | first define a firewall policy |
| 16:52.40 | idP | no i didnt |
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| 16:53.03 | wols_ | then just for you: asking for "best" is at best, meaningless |
| 16:53.11 | idP | ok |
| 16:53.19 | idP | i will rephrase my qs |
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| 16:53.53 | idP | what are the GUI userfriendly firewalls available ? |
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| 16:54.11 | solid_liq | idP: guarddog |
| 16:54.22 | wols_ | apt-cache search iptables |
| 16:54.35 | wols_ | you will get a bit more than just firewalls, but all of them are in that list |
| 16:54.47 | idP | i see |
| 16:55.06 | idP | thanx wols_ and solid_liq |
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| 16:55.25 | solid_liq | idP: np |
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| 16:56.16 | danielo_ | hello, i am trying to make sensors work, but i have no success.. i just get No sensors found! i did sensors-detect, loaded modules, read on the site and the board is supported (SIS964) any ideea what i can do about it ? |
| 16:56.17 | pipeline | idP: No such thing |
| 16:56.42 | falkon | man this is pretty bad |
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| 16:56.51 | wols_ | danielo_: google for what sensors your board actually uses. sensors-detect often doesn't work |
| 16:56.59 | falkon | the only way I have to add apt-soucres [since I can't find a list] is apt-spy |
| 16:57.24 | debnuB | stew:. Need help reestabilishig my network back on. Got a box running debian sarge 3.1 kernel 2.6.8; laptop with xp and debian sarge 3.1 same kernel. Got a dsl router running linux(busybox) I've messed with my resolv.cond and now the net works but no internet daemon working |
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| 16:58.21 | wols_ | falkon: "deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main" for example does work. debian.org has many other mirrors too. then download, install and config base-config. you then should have apt-setup. run it |
| 16:58.28 | stew | debnuB: can you "ping 128.2.1.10" |
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| 16:58.53 | falkon | wols_: I do not have apt-setup. It is not in my base-config |
| 16:58.53 | wols_ | stew: how do you know his internal IPs? |
| 16:58.56 | danielo_ | as i saw i have EZ65 sensor |
| 16:59.09 | wols_ | falkon: then reinstall it. even if I don't believe you |
| 16:59.25 | stew | wols_: i don't |
| 16:59.27 | stew | wols_: why? |
| 16:59.32 | falkon | wols_: what good will that do? Then, I'll have reinstalled AND won't have apt-setup |
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| 17:00.37 | wols_ | falkon: I don not believe you that your debian install lacks a proper base-config unless you installed woody or somesuch |
| 17:01.05 | wols_ | falkon: and if you balk att redownloading a few hundred kB for base-config, no one can help you. have a good day |
| 17:01.19 | wols_ | stew: cause of the ping of a specific IP |
| 17:01.44 | mixter | hi! i'm going to compile a module to use for installing debian on another machine. (for the network card) if i install the kernel-source-2.6.8 package could i use that to compile a module that should work with the debian netinstall cd? it is the same kernel version, is it the same debian paches, or does that not matter? |
| 17:01.52 | danielo_ | wols_ : i see i have EZ65 sensor.. but that dosen't really help |
| 17:01.58 | Phated | Er... apt-setup HAS been removed. I don't have it, for one. up-to-date unstable. |
| 17:02.14 | wols_ | danielo_: http://netroedge.com/~lm78/supported.html says it's not supported by lm_sensors. you won't have any luck |
| 17:02.23 | Phated | And I have base-config installed. HTH. |
| 17:02.30 | valdyn | !find apt-setup |
| 17:02.32 | cahoot | falkon: running etch? |
| 17:02.32 | wols_ | Phated: so what replaced it? |
| 17:02.38 | stew | wols_: why would i need to know anything about his internal ips to see if he has connectivity to public servers? |
| 17:02.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-setup' (2): (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-setup.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/debian-cd/data/woody/apt-setup.html.in, /usr/share/debian-cd/data/potato/apt-setup.html.in) in admin/debian-cd. |
| 17:02.44 | Phated | wols_: Not a clue. |
| 17:02.54 | wols_ | stew: sorry misread then |
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| 17:03.28 | Phated | wols_: I had my sources set up anyway - I don't need it anymore, but just to point out that even with base-config, apt-setup isn't there. So it's not really falkon's fault. |
| 17:03.40 | danielo_ | wols_: it says All 96x south bridges (kernel 2.6.x) ... |
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| 17:04.53 | wols_ | Phated: I run sid too (a bit older tho) and there is an apt-setup. strange better check my packages perhaps |
| 17:05.11 | Phated | wols_: No idea, it hasn't been there for some time now - oh well. |
| 17:05.14 | gnufan | we've had this "apt-setup" discussion before... someone should tell dpkg.... |
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| 17:05.31 | wols_ | danielo_: what has a southbridge to do with a sensor? sensors are mostly separate chips |
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| 17:05.40 | r_marvin | hello |
| 17:05.44 | valdyn | dpkg, apt-setup is <reply>apt-setup is removed. |
| 17:05.45 | dpkg | ...but apt-setup is already something else... |
| 17:05.49 | valdyn | !apt-setup |
| 17:05.49 | dpkg | i heard apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html |
| 17:06.30 | r_marvin | is there any reason why some dhcp clients in my network change ip address "out of the blue"? |
| 17:06.38 | valdyn | dpkg: apt-setup ~= s/html/html. Apt-setup is gone from etch and sid./ |
| 17:06.38 | dpkg | that's too long, valdyn |
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| 17:06.47 | valdyn | dpkg: apt-setup ~= s/html/html. Gone from etch and sid./ |
| 17:06.48 | a11fa | 3c59x is a piece of crap |
| 17:06.54 | valdyn | dpkg: apt-setup =~ s/html/html. Gone from etch and sid./ |
| 17:06.54 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 17:07.01 | a11fa | anybody know why ethtool can not set full duplex to a card? |
| 17:07.10 | a11fa | it says it does, but if you run it again, it doesnt |
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| 17:08.17 | joeyjones | man i lvoe the apt-get system ond ebian |
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| 17:08.18 | debnuB_ | stew: yes. ping ok |
| 17:08.18 | joeyjones | *on debian |
| 17:08.53 | submarineshaun | where about in menu config is the ide options? |
| 17:09.05 | valdyn | !ide |
| 17:09.05 | dpkg | ide is probably (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment |
| 17:09.12 | a11fa | !ethtool |
| 17:09.20 | stew | debnuB_: then it sounds like you just need to fix your resolv.conf, do you know your isp's nameserver ips? |
| 17:09.48 | debnuB_ | stew: it dynamic ip |
| 17:10.37 | a11fa | yo yo oy |
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| 17:10.40 | lith | Is there _any_ reason that anyone can think of as to why web services from my server is blindingly fast from my home office and from my office... but when i connect to ftp.... its slower than dog shit? SUPER slow... like less than 1k/sec (http is like 100+k/ sec) |
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| 17:11.21 | joeyjones | why can't windows get a program like apt-get? |
| 17:11.30 | valdyn | joeyjones: hah |
| 17:11.33 | wols_ | wrong ftp ports forwarded? |
| 17:11.43 | joeyjones | it takes like seconds to install anything |
| 17:11.50 | lith | wols_: how would I check that? |
| 17:11.58 | joeyjones | you cns have apache, php, mysql up in 5 minutes |
| 17:12.10 | joeyjones | unless like me you fucked it up |
| 17:12.22 | rvsjoen | would a passive ftp transfer be slower than an active one ? |
| 17:12.27 | valdyn | joeyjones: this exists for some free software on windows |
| 17:12.27 | joeyjones | then you learned about dpkg --purge * |
| 17:12.30 | lith | wols_: I did do some changes to the routing on the switch... (but i dont think changed anything on the ftpports) |
| 17:12.45 | joeyjones | valdyn: i doubt it works well though |
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| 17:12.59 | lith | rvsjoen: man... this is seriously slow... it has to be some random routing problem |
| 17:13.02 | wols_ | lith: if you do ftp behind a router, you must configure the ftp server for that, by forwarding some highports |
| 17:13.16 | gnufan | falkon: did you get sorted? What is wrong with apt-spy anyway? |
| 17:13.49 | joeyjones | valdyn: d you know if it's possible to have apache show a subfolder in a different log? |
| 17:13.52 | gnufan | lith: I've seen that FTP problem as well.. damn my brain cells |
| 17:13.53 | valdyn | lith: your router needs to explicitely support ftp |
| 17:13.54 | lith | wols: I dont think its behind the router |
| 17:14.06 | valdyn | lith: just forwarding ports is not complete |
| 17:14.33 | joeyjones | valdyn: do you know if it's possible to have apache show a subfolder in a different log? |
| 17:14.40 | valdyn | lith: now if your client box is aswell behind a router and your server is behind a router this is really ugly |
| 17:14.41 | debnuB_ | stew: tell me where to find it. You mean default isp gateway? |
| 17:14.50 | wols_ | valdyn: should be enough if you tell the ftp server what ports for data and forward those ports |
| 17:14.51 | lith | valdyn: :)) |
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| 17:15.08 | submarineshaun | ive checked my ide support in my new kernel, but im still getting a kernel panic |
| 17:15.14 | lith | Actually guys... let me actually look at this configuration.. its been a while |
| 17:15.16 | gnufan | lith: ignore this port stuff -- try passive FTP first |
| 17:15.24 | wols_ | lith: does the box where your ftp server run have a public IP? |
| 17:15.26 | lith | I'm asking out of PURE frustration |
| 17:15.31 | submarineshaun | Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknow-block(0,0) |
| 17:15.33 | lith | wols_: yes |
| 17:15.39 | valdyn | !ftp |
| 17:15.39 | dpkg | methinks ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 17:15.44 | joeyjones | does anyone know if it's possible to have apache show a subfolder in a different log? |
| 17:15.46 | rvsjoen | submarineshaun: did you compile in the file system ? |
| 17:15.54 | submarineshaun | yes |
| 17:16.01 | rvsjoen | and chipset ? |
| 17:16.02 | lith | gnufan: let me try that |
| 17:16.09 | wols_ | is there a root= setting in your menu.lst for the kernel? |
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| 17:16.18 | stew | debnuB_: do you have a static address from your isp or do you use dhcp? |
| 17:16.22 | wols_ | does dmesg show your disk(s) when booting? |
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| 17:16.40 | submarineshaun | rvsjoen: chipset is a ati model, would only let me use it as module |
| 17:16.41 | gnufan | joeyjones: I think so -- check the context for the CustomLog directive |
| 17:16.42 | lith | gnufan: yeah i'm using pasv |
| 17:16.56 | falkon | gnufan: oh, problem is, apt-setup didn't get installed on my system for some reason. |
| 17:17.01 | submarineshaun | wols_: how can i tell; i dont get to the prompt? |
| 17:17.06 | wols_ | submarineshaun: that's your problem. you MUST compile it in. and it will allow you if you config the rest above that properly |
| 17:17.08 | debnuB_ | stew: dhcp |
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| 17:17.22 | valdyn | gnufan: pasv is good if the client is behind a nat router and the server is not.. |
| 17:17.24 | submarineshaun | wols_: ok |
| 17:17.28 | submarineshaun | ill have anougher go |
| 17:17.31 | gnufan | falkon: okay so we answered that one, with "it went away" ;) |
| 17:17.47 | gnufan | valdyn: I know, it is also good at simplifying the problem... |
| 17:17.55 | stew | debnuB_: then /etc/init.d/networking restart ; should fetch you a new ip and fix resolv.conf |
| 17:18.44 | lith | yeah local ftp is fine... I'm going to look at the routing on this retarded thing |
| 17:19.05 | valdyn | !listkeys ftp |
| 17:19.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ftp' by key (15 of 64): #debian ftp must die ;; #debian ftpfs ;; 3dftp ;; _default proftpd ;; _default sftp ;; _default tftp ;; ftp adrian ;; ftp must die ;; ftpsearch ;; gftp ;; glftp ;; ip_nat_ftp ;; pftp ;; wsftp ;; wu-ftpd. |
| 17:19.10 | debnuB_ | stew: gonna try it. thanks |
| 17:19.22 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 17:19.22 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 17:19.39 | falkon | gnufan: guess so. It's not in the base scripts |
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| 17:21.59 | gnufan | lith: also does the clients public IP address reverse lookup, and can you see the server log files? |
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| 17:24.20 | sylv_ | hello! i found a stupid bug in gthumb (debian/unstable && gthumb 2.6.9), but i don't know if the pb is from gthumb or debian ? where should i send the bug report or who should i contact please. |
| 17:24.21 | kevsthabes | hey guys, quick question.. im setting up apt-build, and its asking for my architecture.. and im having a brainfart.. what one would a Celeron D be? |
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| 17:24.40 | halfop | türk var mi la ? |
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| 17:24.50 | kr0ddn | Kevin`: i386 |
| 17:25.04 | kr0ddn | or i686 |
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| 17:25.24 | kevsthabes | kr0ddin: but would it be prescott, pentium-mmx, ect ect |
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| 17:25.58 | gnufan | !tell sylv about reportbug |
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| 17:26.29 | kr0ddn | ööööh |
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| 17:27.22 | kr0ddn | thats a goog question |
| 17:27.29 | valdyn | kevsthabes: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 17:28.24 | nadim | Hi - what do people use on linux to burn DVDs ? |
| 17:29.03 | kr0ddn | nadim: growisofs |
| 17:29.18 | kr0ddn | but if you want a gui, i don't know |
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| 17:29.28 | kevsthabes | valdyn: done that, what exactly would i look for? (i know its a celeron D, which is the newest ones on the market, and i also know all that cpuinfo is showing.. but im still not ure what one from the list of architecture its showing.. |
| 17:30.00 | nadim | kr0ddn: tried xcdroast but I think that depends on a non-free application or something that requires a license - kinda confusing... |
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| 17:30.28 | kr0ddn | nadim: maybe you can configure xcdroast to use growisofs instead of cdrecord |
| 17:30.33 | valdyn | kevsthabes: first google hit said prescott |
| 17:30.33 | nadim | kr0ddn: is that application in APT ? I can't find it |
| 17:30.37 | kevsthabes | nevermind i firgured it out |
| 17:30.38 | kr0ddn | cdrecord needs a license for DVD buring |
| 17:30.53 | kevsthabes | yeah i just found that myself.. told you i had a brainfart.. i thought it was a northwood core |
| 17:30.57 | homekneet | OK - think I know the answer to this - but - maybe I'll be lucky :) Debian sid. lvm2 on three hard disks. One of them just smoked. And I mean real smoke :( Now - some of the stuff was backed up by the last amanda run - but - just wondering if there is any way to get to the logical volumes that had pieces only on the two remaining disks |
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| 17:32.00 | kr0ddn | nadim: apt-get install dvd+rw-tools |
| 17:32.10 | nadim | kr0ddn: ah, it is part of the 'dvd+rw-tools' package (thanks http://packages.debian.org :-) |
| 17:32.27 | kr0ddn | thx dpkg -S /usr/bin/growisofs |
| 17:32.42 | kr0ddn | i was faster than packages... |
| 17:32.47 | joeyjones | lol |
| 17:32.51 | valdyn | homekneet: you backed up your lvm partition table? |
| 17:33.00 | joeyjones | man apt-get makes debian so much better than windows! |
| 17:33.05 | valdyn | homekneet: or logical volume table, whatever they call that |
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| 17:33.34 | kr0ddn | CTRL+ALT+RIGHT and CTRL+ALT+ |
| 17:33.44 | kr0ddn | CTRL+ALT+RIGHT and CTRL+ALT+LEFT makes it much more better than Windoof :-) |
| 17:33.49 | homekneet | Hmm. Good question. amanda was set to backup at partition level - so in all likelihood - probably not. |
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| 17:34.32 | homekneet | I did not have / under lvm - so /etc I still have |
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| 17:35.01 | r_marvin | is there any reason why some dhcp clients in my network change ip address "out of the blue"? (dhclient and dhcp3-server from sarge) |
| 17:35.23 | vin` | nadim: look at k3b if you're after GUI. |
| 17:35.33 | valdyn | homekneet: you're aware that your partition scheme tripled the fault rate i hope.. |
| 17:35.56 | joeyjones | sadly rnpugh i picked up linux faster than i did windows xp |
| 17:36.00 | joeyjones | 2 days |
| 17:36.01 | homekneet | valdyn - I knew the risks |
| 17:36.11 | valdyn | homekneet: either way you need the offsets of your volumes, i dont know how to find them, but its sure possible |
| 17:36.11 | joeyjones | i still forget where stuff is |
| 17:36.15 | joeyjones | but i'm getting good |
| 17:36.15 | madclicker | is there a way to setup pamd for a service to try different authentications? |
| 17:36.25 | wols_ | joeyjones: it will take years, possibly decades to "pick linux up" |
| 17:36.53 | joeyjones | i eman i cna navigate and use it decently |
| 17:36.56 | joeyjones | *mean |
| 17:36.59 | homekneet | valdyn I'll take a look at the lvm metadata. The lvm tools themselves complain of course that one of the disks is missing. If I can find where on disk these things are - what's the best way to get 'em off? |
| 17:37.05 | joeyjones | windows iunno wtf is happening 1/2 the time |
| 17:37.06 | wols_ | madclicker: yes you can use ldap for example. that include active directory I think |
| 17:37.16 | valdyn | homekneet: dd |
| 17:37.16 | OsRo | problems with evolution in etch http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/evolution-and-new-glib-2006-03-30-19-11 |
| 17:37.36 | valdyn | homekneet: or ddrescue / dd_rescue if you like verbose output |
| 17:37.36 | homekneet | valdyn - dd them to an image then loop mount I guess? |
| 17:37.42 | valdyn | homekneet: yea |
| 17:37.47 | homekneet | OK - will take alook |
| 17:38.09 | valdyn | homekneet: you also could just adjust your partition table to the offsets but that's risky since you have to write to the disk(s) for that |
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| 17:38.33 | joeyjones | wols_: i find it easier to do things through ssh now than wkith windows |
| 17:38.46 | joeyjones | mainly the heat and tidy hierarchy |
| 17:38.49 | nadim | kr0ddn: am I reading this right - is it as simple as 'growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdc=my_image.iso' ?? |
| 17:39.02 | kr0ddn | yes it is |
| 17:39.07 | valdyn | nadim: yea |
| 17:39.11 | kr0ddn | but what is -dvd-compat ? |
| 17:39.18 | nadim | vin`: I don't have of the KDE stuff installed and don't want to install 100 files to just use that GUI (though it looks nice :-) |
| 17:39.26 | valdyn | nadim: dvd writing is been very well and easy from the start.. compared to CDs |
| 17:39.29 | nadim | vin`: there is tkDVD, but it is not in APT |
| 17:39.40 | _Sam-- | hi im trying a new install on a dual opteron system w/ adaptec 7902 U320 SCSI Raid...the debian installer sees the card fine, but not the drives... it is in raid mode. when i take it out of raid mode, the installer is fine... |
| 17:39.54 | _Sam-- | what is the easiest way to install on this raid array |
| 17:39.54 | valdyn | nadim: if you need a GUI, see k3b or gnomebaker |
| 17:39.58 | homekneet | Just want to dd it off to a tape |
| 17:40.07 | kr0ddn | i use cat, echo, find and | for burning DVDs ;-) |
| 17:40.24 | nadim | kr0ddn: the man page notes it as a generic option with 'maximum media compatibility' |
| 17:40.32 | kr0ddn | aha |
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| 17:40.43 | kr0ddn | never used that |
| 17:40.44 | nadim | valdyn: checking out gnomebaker now |
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| 17:40.47 | valdyn | kr0ddn: dvd-compat will ensure that the image is compatible to the dvd movie standard |
| 17:40.52 | kr0ddn | ah, compat = compatible |
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| 17:41.13 | madclicker | wols_, i was thinking more on the line of /etc/pam.d/smtp in that file can i get the authentication to be regular unix first if that fails try mysql? |
| 17:41.16 | homekneet | valdyn - you know - dd off what's left - get some new disks - install amanda - see what I can get - see what I can find in the images. It's not a critical box - but I just want to get what I can :) |
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| 17:41.45 | valdyn | homekneet: yea |
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| 17:42.18 | Xteven | hi there, is there a mailman alternative in debian, that uses php and mysql instead of suid python scripts ? |
| 17:42.24 | nadim | homekneet: use dd_rescue instead of dd - at least it is verbose about what it is goin :-) |
| 17:42.38 | Xteven | I want to chroot my apache, but mailman is being difficult |
| 17:42.51 | nadim | valdyn: does gnomebaker use growisofs ? |
| 17:42.57 | valdyn | nadim: yea |
| 17:43.12 | nadim | I'm sold :_) |
| 17:43.48 | bab_ | Hello, I'm trying to install an ATI card, but it's not working. Could the Mesa software be conflicting with the ATI driver? |
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| 17:43.52 | madclicker | in service file "/etc/pam.d/smtp " can i get the authentication to be regular unix first if that fails try mysql? |
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| 17:44.51 | vin` | bab_: xorg? |
| 17:45.00 | valdyn | bab_: how did you install the ati drivers? which drivers? which card do you have? |
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| 17:46.09 | bab_ | the "ati-driver-installer-8.23.7-i386.run" from ATI's website, for mobility radeon X600 |
| 17:47.09 | Frem | I can't access any ports that have a webserver running on them. I've tried Monkey and DidiWiki with no sucess. |
| 17:47.29 | bab_ | ITs at generic driver for mobiles with ATI |
| 17:47.45 | bab_ | It's worked before... Did a fresh install... |
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| 17:48.26 | lindenle | hi can someone tell me what the xfree86 channel is? |
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| 17:48.42 | valdyn | bab_: you can generate debs from the latest ati installers, you shouldnt use them directly |
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| 17:49.13 | lindenle | ? |
| 17:49.40 | bab_ | First make the deb, and then install the deb? |
| 17:49.43 | stew | lindenle: maybe try /msg chanserv list #*xfree* |
| 17:49.52 | lindenle | stew: thx |
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| 17:50.37 | madclicker | is it possible to get pam to do a seqenced authentication? |
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| 17:53.11 | Xteven | chrooting mailman anyone ? |
| 17:55.03 | sepski | madclicker, depends on what you mean, there is not much pam can't do when it comes to authenticatino |
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| 17:56.16 | madclicker | sepski, i need it to first authenticate to passwd than if that fails to mysql database |
| 17:56.18 | beered | fsck scans the disk after 30 reboots. Where can I modify this? |
| 17:56.39 | jmp_me | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.41 | madclicker | sepski, right now i can do one or the other not both |
| 17:56.42 | stew | beered: tune2fs |
| 17:56.45 | wols_ | beered: tune2fs |
| 17:56.47 | sepski | madclicker, prety stright forward iow use libpam-mysql package and rec the docs in the package |
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| 17:56.52 | madclicker | sepski, there is no failover |
| 17:57.05 | lindenle | Hi we are having the following error: Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key on a mchine that has been up for 13 days. It was under a bit of a heavy load when the problem started happening and now we can not even open an xterm on the local VT, can someone help we have a lot of work on 12 virtual desktops that we would rather not kill by restarting X. Thanks! Not really Debian specific but i thought someone here might have some i |
| 17:57.27 | beered | stew, wols_: Thanks. Is there also a config file somewhere? |
| 17:57.38 | wols_ | beered: there's a manpage |
| 17:57.41 | stew | beered: no, its stored in the metadata in the fs itself |
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| 17:57.48 | beered | stew: cool. |
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| 17:58.33 | nadim | kr0ddn: so I'm using growisofs and it looks like it is doing something - but I also got ':-( unable to GET EVENT: Input/output error' is this normal ? |
| 17:58.36 | stew | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 17:58.37 | dpkg | hmm... mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 17:58.54 | madclicker | sepski, i have that installed and working, but as i said no failover |
| 17:58.55 | h_a_l | just got a kinesis keyboard, and it doesn't work under recent 2.6 debian kernels. works fine une |
| 17:59.06 | kr0ddn | nadim: thats abnorm-Al |
| 17:59.08 | stew | lindenle: try the xauth extract and xauth merge above |
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| 17:59.23 | h_a_l | works fine under 2.4 though...any ideas as to why this might be? |
| 17:59.26 | lindenle | stew: what if we have no root access....??? |
| 17:59.29 | kr0ddn | !google unable to GET EVENT: Input/output error |
| 17:59.35 | dpkg | Google says unable to GET EVENT: Input/output error is at http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID45/arc_database.txt |
| 17:59.43 | stew | lindenle: you only need access to the account running x |
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| 18:00.07 | lindenle | stew: ok lemme try that be rright back |
| 18:00.10 | mixter | hi! where could i find info about making a driver floppy (to add a module when running the netinst cd)? |
| 18:00.19 | netman1 | [OT] For native English speakers: Is there an expression or proverb to describe a person or object with a -presumed- impossible combination of skills and or qualities? |
| 18:00.24 | sepski | madclicker, ill msg you my 2 lines |
| 18:00.32 | kr0ddn | nadim: hat das teil was gebrannt oder isses einfach hängen geblieben? |
| 18:00.41 | stew | lindenle: you should read the xauth manpage as well, of course |
| 18:00.45 | kr0ddn | argh |
| 18:00.52 | beered | I need a nice accounting software (pie charts of spending patterns, planning etc.) Any recommendations? |
| 18:00.56 | kr0ddn | nadim: did it burn or didnt it even start |
| 18:01.01 | \amethyst | netman1: "Too good to be true", or do you mean something more specific? |
| 18:01.56 | nadim | kr0ddn: hehe - sorry, I don't speak german - it is in the process of doing the burn '160464896/3218720768 ( 5.0%) @0.3x, remaining 79:43' |
| 18:02.10 | lindenle | stew: tried xauth and got Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 |
| 18:02.18 | netman1 | amethyst : Thanks. Doesn't really describe what I mean. |
| 18:02.24 | stew | lindenle: with xauth extract? |
| 18:02.31 | lindenle | yep |
| 18:02.42 | lindenle | stew: xauth did not give error |
| 18:02.57 | lindenle | stew: only after when i tried to open an xterm |
| 18:03.03 | nadim | valdyn: installed GnomeBaker but I can't seem to enter the path to reach the ISO (no where does it let you enter the actual path and the parition the ISO is in is automounted and timed-out - meaning not on the list) -- someone should tell the developers to add a "enter path" option |
| 18:03.11 | sepski | madclicker, did you see it ? |
| 18:03.22 | \amethyst | netman1: is there a Dutch idiom you're translating? |
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| 18:03.49 | netman1 | amethyst: You guessed right: "sheep with five legs" |
| 18:04.03 | falkon | okay this is just messed up. I have gone through the CD-ROM install of etch 3 times now, last time I did expert, and still haven't been asked to add apt sources |
| 18:04.08 | stew | lindenle: so you ran xauth extract as the user running x and got a cookie out, then ran xuath merge as the user that you wanted to start an xterm as? |
| 18:04.24 | sepski | falkon, just run apt-setup |
| 18:04.32 | kr0ddn | nadim: grep /dev/hdd /var/log/syslog |
| 18:04.32 | stew | lindenle: you could also just try export XAUTHORITY=/home/userrunningx/.Xauthority |
| 18:04.47 | kr0ddn | or hdc, i dont remember your drive |
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| 18:05.05 | lindenle | stew: yes I did the extract and merge as dpkg said and got the error when trying to open an xterm, I will try tyhe export next. |
| 18:05.08 | wols_ | falkon: what prevents you from adding them yourself? there's a reason it's testing or unstable |
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| 18:05.41 | wols_ | falkon: it's not voodoo. I agree it sucks that they don't do it anymore and removed apt-setup, but it's no big deal imho |
| 18:05.51 | lindenle | stew: same error when I try to open xterm after export XAUTHORITY |
| 18:06.15 | madclicker | sepski, you are a saviour |
| 18:06.28 | madclicker | sepski, thank you a million time |
| 18:06.43 | stew | lindenle: i dunno then |
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| 18:07.14 | madclicker | sepski, i've been fighting with sasl for 2 weeks now |
| 18:07.53 | nadim | kr0ddn: where would you like me to paste ? |
| 18:08.01 | sepski | madclicker, your not seriously giving each mailuser a shell account are you ??? |
| 18:08.03 | nadim | kr0ddn: 4 lines |
| 18:08.04 | lindenle | stew: could it matter that X is running as root but we are running kde...is there some way to tell dcop to make a new MIT cookie? Or am i totally off here...which is highly probable. |
| 18:08.04 | Ronin | !paste |
| 18:08.05 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:08.19 | nn- | do you have any ideas why my terminal freezes every now and then after I exit a telnet or ssh session? |
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| 18:08.31 | madclicker | sepski, god forbid no |
| 18:08.35 | kr0ddn | nadim: does it sound like error? |
| 18:08.49 | kr0ddn | and is it from the last 10 minutes? |
| 18:08.49 | madclicker | sepski, i only have myself as a unix user |
| 18:09.11 | sepski | so why pam-mysql for sasl ? |
| 18:09.17 | stew | lindenle: you don't want a new mit magic cookie, you want the current one, which "xauth extract - localhost:0" dumps |
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| 18:09.44 | lindenle | stew: is there any way to figure out why the xserver is pissed then? |
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| 18:09.57 | nadim | kr0ddn: yeah kinda of - it is noted as busy - but I wasn't able to 'eject' and about 5-10 minutes later 'eject' started to work, yet the burn is still going - so it could be htat xcdroast was trying to hold on to the device after I had closed it or something. |
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| 18:11.18 | kr0ddn | nadim: sorry, i have to leave now |
| 18:11.25 | kr0ddn | maybe google can help you |
| 18:11.27 | nadim | kr0ddn: no prob - thanks anyway |
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| 18:12.35 | roler | why are newer laptop LCD screens really reflective nowadays? |
| 18:12.53 | thewhite | Every time I restart my computer x wont start unless I reinstall the nvidia driver. Any clues? |
| 18:13.26 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 18:13.39 | lindenle | thewhite: add nvidia to /etc/modules |
| 18:13.56 | lindenle | ;thewhite: this will load the kernel module every reboot |
| 18:14.30 | thewhite | modconf says its installed and lsmod too |
| 18:14.40 | GoAuLd | shitlist agpgart |
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| 18:15.57 | thewhite | lindenle: I got this line in /etc/modules : nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 |
| 18:16.41 | lindenle | thewhite: that is interesting |
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| 18:17.09 | RvGaTe | Hello, is there a application to convert your cross/streight cable using software ? |
| 18:17.18 | stew | RvGaTe: no |
| 18:17.33 | stew | RvGaTe: if your hardware can do it, it does it automatically |
| 18:17.54 | RvGaTe | k, thx stew |
| 18:18.47 | davascript | auto sensing ports rock |
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| 18:21.29 | jimm_ | Hi everyone, I hope I've come to the right place to ask a question about debian testing (using the latest net-install) and grub |
| 18:21.41 | davascript | whats up |
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| 18:21.55 | jimm_ | I have a new supermicro server w/P4D and the initegrated intel SATA raid |
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| 18:22.32 | jimm_ | I have a new supermicro server with the intel SATA raid (raid 1) with Debian testing (etch).. everything installs fine.. I just have 3 partitions sda1 / reiserfs, sda2 swap and sda3 LVM .. when I reboot the system all I see is "GRUB" and nothing else happens...what's odd is the KB doesn't even respond (numb lock caps lock .. etc) |
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| 18:25.28 | phaedral | hi all; trying to see if dpkg has any wisdom for me on reading my SD cards in etch, but getting no love |
| 18:25.58 | phaedral | i've got an onboard SD MS/Pro MMC SM XD reader on this box, would love to use it |
| 18:26.08 | phaedral | if it's within my meager skills to set up |
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| 18:26.47 | davascript | sounds like a grub issue |
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| 18:27.33 | jimm_ | yea it's a grub issues.. I've never had a problem with grub however... |
| 18:27.48 | davascript | not with debian |
| 18:27.53 | jimm_ | I'm tempted to give lilo a try again |
| 18:27.54 | davascript | ive had many with gentoo |
| 18:28.46 | batman4050 | Does anyone know another Linux Distribution that runs on windows other than WinLinux? |
| 18:29.02 | davascript | why do you want linux to run on windows |
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| 18:29.12 | wols_ | batman4050: define "runs on linux"? |
| 18:29.13 | davascript | cygwin |
| 18:29.14 | zinx | batman4050: get a decent VM, and any of them will run :D |
| 18:29.16 | davascript | its unix |
| 18:29.18 | wols_ | erm, "runs on windows" |
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| 18:29.45 | batman4050 | By runs on windows, I mean runs like an app... |
| 18:29.51 | davascript | cygwin |
| 18:30.02 | batman4050 | What is cygwin? |
| 18:30.06 | cureless | batman4050: a real OS cannot run like an app on windows (or linux) |
| 18:30.11 | davascript | unix command line for windows |
| 18:30.11 | zinx | batman4050: cygwin complete crap |
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| 18:30.13 | cureless | batman4050: you need some form of virtual computer. |
| 18:30.19 | zinx | s/n c/n is c/ |
| 18:30.20 | cocoloco | hi, anyone knows how to shrink an alias in an echo ? to execute its content instead of printing its name |
| 18:30.24 | wols_ | batman4050: that cannot work. either you run it under something like colinux or vmware or not at all |
| 18:30.41 | wols_ | winlinux can be started from windows, but it seems when you start it, there is no windows anymore |
| 18:30.47 | davascript | wols_: batman4050: that cannot work. either you run it under something like colinux or vmware or not at all he is coorectg |
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| 18:31.07 | batman4050 | Do you know about WinLinux? |
| 18:31.14 | wols_ | I googled it right now |
| 18:31.17 | davascript | me too |
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| 18:31.26 | cureless | batman4050: we know about OSs and computers. |
| 18:31.28 | batman4050 | It runs like a program, right? |
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| 18:31.49 | zinx | batman4050: stuff like qemu/vmware/virtual server/whatever do |
| 18:31.56 | zinx | batman4050: and you can run linux inside of those |
| 18:32.04 | zinx | batman4050: or another copy of windows, whatever you want |
| 18:32.10 | davascript | batman what do you want to use this winlinux for to learn linux maybe |
| 18:32.14 | wols_ | batman4050: get colinux. but it will be hard to install. you can run any distro with it however. premade ones are debian and gentoo IIRC |
| 18:32.25 | batman4050 | oh... |
| 18:32.29 | batman4050 | K. Thanks guys |
| 18:32.30 | fireba11_grr | need a reminder .. .command to view running kernel version ? |
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| 18:32.37 | XoR | vmware network is verry slow, only 5 KB/s, why ? :( |
| 18:32.37 | wols_ | fireba11_grr: uname -a |
| 18:32.49 | zinx | XoR: Because you've got something set up wrong, most likely. |
| 18:32.49 | XoR | i use 2.6.16 kernel |
| 18:32.52 | wols_ | XoR: ask vmware. we dunno |
| 18:33.13 | fireba11_grr | wols_: thanks |
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| 18:33.29 | XoR | with 2.6.15.6 network work good, but with 2.6.16 didn't :( |
| 18:33.47 | jimm_ | I have an interesting question.. Lets say I want to boot knoppix..on a clean system and install debian on the hard drives.. how would I go about doing that? |
| 18:33.48 | wols_ | XoR: ask vmware. we cannot and probably will not debug closed source software |
| 18:34.03 | XoR | i know :) |
| 18:34.08 | wols_ | jimm_: you wouldn't. why not just boot from a debian install CD |
| 18:34.15 | wols_ | XoR: why are you wasting our time then? |
| 18:34.29 | jimm_ | because it's not detecting the intel sata raid |
| 18:34.33 | wols_ | jimm_: debootstrap can do it howerver I think |
| 18:34.35 | jimm_ | but the knoppix cd does.. |
| 18:34.39 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 18:34.39 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.15] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 18:34.44 | wols_ | that's what you need |
| 18:34.47 | jimm_ | ok.. thank you |
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| 18:35.12 | davascript | just a question out of the blue |
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| 18:35.25 | davascript | when patching your kernel with say the bootsplash patch |
| 18:35.25 | wols_ | jimm_: even if you installed debian via debootrstrap you'd still needed a newer kernel than is in sarge or your new debian wouldn't boot either |
| 18:35.31 | davascript | how long does it take |
| 18:35.44 | azeem | davascript: the patching? |
| 18:35.45 | wols_ | davascript: it's similar to a tar -jxvf |
| 18:35.51 | wols_ | lots of filenames scrolling by |
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| 18:36.09 | davascript | ok i guessi had bad syntax |
| 18:36.11 | wols_ | the more files to patch, the longer it takes of course |
| 18:36.19 | jimm_ | I will d/l the kernel source and recomple before hand |
| 18:36.20 | davascript | no verbose |
| 18:36.21 | azeem | davascript: be sure it doesn't wait on stdin |
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| 18:36.28 | cocoloco | hi, anyone knows how to shrink an alias in an echo ? to execute its content instead of printing its name |
| 18:36.30 | azeem | davascript: patch -options < foo |
| 18:36.41 | davascript | tanks |
| 18:36.42 | azeem | where foo is your patch file |
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| 18:38.14 | davascript | has anyone patched the kernel to use the bootsplash |
| 18:38.15 | ricochet | I see a bunch of POSSIBLE BREAK IN ATTEMPT's in my auth.log, should I be worried about these? why is sshd allowing them to keep trying, shouldnt it gradually have longer waits between failed attempts and stuff? is ther a package I should install to harden my box more? |
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| 18:38.40 | davascript | chekc your ssh.conf |
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| 18:38.45 | davascript | err |
| 18:38.47 | davascript | sshd.conf |
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| 18:44.21 | cahoot | ricochet: get fail2ban |
| 18:44.37 | ricochet | cahoot, thanks |
| 18:46.00 | zenwryly | I need to make a file of every tenth line of a file. Is there some command in the *nix toolbox that makes this easy or should I just write a little bash one-liner? |
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| 18:46.54 | cahoot | zenwryly: using split? |
| 18:47.05 | zenwryly | cahoot: I'm off to man thanks |
| 18:47.26 | cahoot | zenwryly: don't aske how though |
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| 18:48.33 | zenwryly | cahoot: yeah not quite it. I suppose some combod of split and head |
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| 18:54.27 | ScribbleJ | Okay, simple but probably stupid question... I'd like to compile a new version of a driver in the kernel tree (xpad, specifically) without having to recompile my entire kernel. What commands should I look into, or is this even something that's trivially possible? |
| 18:54.50 | _edwin_ | ScribbleJ: is it compiled as a module? |
| 18:55.02 | ScribbleJ | Yes, it is a loadable module presently. |
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| 18:55.24 | _edwin_ | ScribbleJ: try to update only the subdirectory where it resides |
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| 18:55.38 | _edwin_ | make should recompile only changed files anyway |
| 18:55.43 | ScribbleJ | Ah... |
| 18:55.46 | Yoric | Hi, I have a problem with accents in KDE apps. |
| 18:55.47 | _edwin_ | unless you mess with config options |
| 18:55.52 | ScribbleJ | Okay, good answer then... I will try it. |
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| 18:56.30 | Yoric | Basically, while all my Gnome apps show "é" when I press Compose+'+e, all my Kde apps show "é". |
| 18:56.49 | Yoric | That's true whether I launch a Gnome session or a Kde session. |
| 18:56.58 | Yoric | Any suggestion on how to fix this ? |
| 18:57.02 | Yoric | It's quite annoying. |
| 18:57.42 | davascript | could it be your keyboad layout |
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| 18:57.45 | _edwin_ | Yoric: seems like a Unicode problem |
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| 18:57.56 | Deek | davascript: No it can't. :) |
| 18:57.59 | Yoric | davascript, I don't think so. I have the exact same options under Gnome and Kde. |
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| 18:58.11 | Yoric | _edwin_, I think so, but I have no clue how to fix it. |
| 18:58.15 | Deek | é is UTF-8 |
| 18:58.24 | nn- | can anyone imagine a reason why my terminal doesn't return to the prompt after finishing a remote login session? |
| 18:58.53 | pipeline | nn-: If you still have X applications running, perhaps? |
| 18:58.56 | cindy | wow he really did not do this did he? |
| 18:58.59 | cindy | http://planet.debian.net/ |
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| 18:59.21 | DevilChaos | sup all |
| 18:59.29 | Yoric | Deek, I assume that, at some point, Kde widgets receive this "é" and fails to understand it's only one key. |
| 18:59.33 | Deek | nn-: there's a program still running with the pty open |
| 18:59.43 | Yoric | I can copy and paste the symbol from Gnome to Kde without problem, though. |
| 19:00.03 | nn- | pipeline: it happens also when no x clients are running |
| 19:00.14 | Eulex | Deek, no, that's not correct utf-8. |
| 19:00.23 | eeyore- | nn-: ssh? |
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| 19:00.31 | nn- | eeyore-: happens with telnet and ssh |
| 19:00.39 | Eulex | Deek, ah, you mean like that. sorry. |
| 19:00.41 | nn- | even on different hosts |
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| 19:01.12 | eeyore- | nn-: i've seen it on some ssh like when i ssh to old solaris and run some daemons (like flexlm, buggy ones) it'd keep ssh hanging |
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| 19:02.08 | Deek | nn-: There's a program running that has not closed one or more fds representing the tty. |
| 19:02.12 | eeyore- | nn-: you might have run some program that forgot to close something :-) |
| 19:02.37 | Yoric | Do I take it that noone has experienced this problem with accents ? |
| 19:02.41 | Shadowcat | eeyore-: killall >:) |
| 19:02.53 | eeyore- | shadow: riiiight, killall lmgrd ;-) |
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| 19:03.01 | eeyore- | Shadowcat: that'd make users happy |
| 19:03.06 | Shadowcat | lmgrd? |
| 19:03.12 | Deek | nn-: The telnet/etc program has detected this, and doesn't exit. |
| 19:03.30 | Shadowcat | killall eeyore- |
| 19:03.33 | Shadowcat | much better |
| 19:03.34 | eeyore- | Shadowcat: flexlm license manager daemon. just kidding. normally when it hangs i'd just kill ssh client on my side |
| 19:03.34 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 19:03.47 | nn- | Deek: so i should keep an eye on the list of running processes before i exit? |
| 19:04.09 | Shadowcat | I usually have a script in my bash_logout |
| 19:04.17 | Shadowcat | takes a list from ps and kills everything |
| 19:04.53 | digits | is tehre alot of packages needed if i want to set up a imap mailserver? thinking about qmail/courier combo |
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| 19:05.26 | DevilChaos | ok i have a question i mounted the fuffin partition my music is on and cant read as it is owned and grouped by root then i did chown -R /home/devil/Desktop/Music then it ran through it all and changed the folders to my permissions but the mp3 and ogg fires remain root privelege how do i change them all at once please? |
| 19:05.44 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
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| 19:06.18 | Yoric | Oh, here's my `locale` |
| 19:06.19 | DevilChaos | sorry |
| 19:06.20 | Yoric | http://pastebin.com/631275 |
| 19:06.21 | _edwin_ | Yoric: compose+'+e works find in konsole for me |
| 19:06.24 | nn- | the funny thing is am using telnet/ssh for almost a decade and I've noticed this problem recently.. |
| 19:06.29 | _edwin_ | works fine^ |
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| 19:06.34 | Yoric | _edwin_, on my other computer, it works fine. |
| 19:06.38 | Yoric | And find works fine, too :) |
| 19:06.51 | _edwin_ | :D |
| 19:06.51 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: what's wrong with chown -R user:group /path ? |
| 19:06.52 | DevilChaos | chown -R devil /home/devil/Desktop/Music |
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| 19:07.05 | nn- | Shadowcat: what parameters does your script pass to ps? |
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| 19:07.20 | monteiro | boas tardes |
| 19:07.38 | DevilChaos | eeyore: the mp3s and ogg files are left root only need to change there permissions to mine |
| 19:07.49 | _edwin_ | Yoric: I use a locale without UTF-8 |
| 19:07.52 | DevilChaos | or i could just do it per folder |
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| 19:08.10 | Yoric | _edwin_, I take note. |
| 19:08.28 | DevilChaos | what do you think?# |
| 19:08.38 | DevilChaos | im bad at typing lol |
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| 19:08.45 | _edwin_ | Yoric: what happens if you use fr_FR (without UTF-8)? |
| 19:09.02 | Yoric | _edwin_, I'll try that. |
| 19:09.38 | Yoric | Actually, in that case, it works. |
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| 19:09.43 | SlackRat | ack! wha happened?! apt-get Failed to fetch http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.0 |
| 19:09.46 | DevilChaos | ate-exel-Olympic.mp3': Operation not supported |
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| 19:09.55 | SlackRat | i didnt touch anything |
| 19:09.58 | Yoric | The question becomes now: will that break anything else ? |
| 19:10.13 | azeem | SlackRat: are you running stable? |
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| 19:10.14 | DevilChaos | when i chown per folder it doesnt change them? |
| 19:10.20 | SlackRat | yeah |
| 19:10.23 | azeem | SlackRat: which architecture? |
| 19:10.28 | SlackRat | 386 |
| 19:10.54 | azeem | SlackRat: did you try another mirror? |
| 19:10.56 | SlackRat | some news i didnt hear about? i can download from debian,com |
| 19:11.19 | azeem | SlackRat: maybe that mirror is not working correctly ATM |
| 19:11.27 | DevilChaos | nn: you there? |
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| 19:11.47 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: "operation not SUPPORTED" <- ? what kind of filesystem is /home/devil/Desktop/Music ? |
| 19:11.52 | SlackRat | some mirrors are working but the three in apt.source wont d-l or install.... |
| 19:11.55 | DevilChaos | ntfs |
| 19:12.06 | DevilChaos | doh |
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| 19:12.17 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: ok then, you can't "chown" it, as ntfs doesn't SUPPORT unix user/group |
| 19:12.18 | DevilChaos | doesnt know permissions does it? |
| 19:12.24 | SlackRat | there was a warning in my area that some internet connections may be affected by local construction |
| 19:12.33 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: however, you could "man 5 mount" and read up on "mount options for ..." |
| 19:12.34 | SlackRat | could that affect apt but nothing else? |
| 19:12.51 | azeem | SlackRat: I can't connect to it from here either |
| 19:12.59 | SlackRat | where are you? |
| 19:13.05 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: nevermind, "man mount", search forward (/ key) for "Mount options for" (not capitalization) |
| 19:13.07 | Yoric | _edwin_, ok, I guess I'll stick with that. |
| 19:13.10 | Yoric | Thank you for your help. |
| 19:13.12 | DevilChaos | its ok ill just strip them off it through root then add them to ext3 partition |
| 19:13.14 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: uh, "note capitalization" |
| 19:13.23 | _edwin_ | Yoric: try to file a bugreport |
| 19:13.31 | _edwin_ | that UTF-8 doesn't work properly in KDE |
| 19:13.44 | _edwin_ | I don't know which package you should file the bug for though |
| 19:13.45 | DevilChaos | i hate microsoft |
| 19:13.50 | nn- | DevilChaos: sure i am |
| 19:13.53 | SlackRat | misery loves company azeem....heh |
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| 19:13.54 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: not microsoft's fault |
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| 19:14.07 | SlackRat | at least i know i didnt accidentally break anything |
| 19:14.07 | DevilChaos | yes it is bill gates is gay |
| 19:14.08 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: you can mount ntfs as owned by any user, really, that'd be fine |
| 19:14.21 | eeyore- | !gay |
| 19:14.21 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 19:14.22 | SlackRat | you in the Middle East azeem? |
| 19:14.28 | azeem | SlackRat: no, in germay |
| 19:14.30 | DevilChaos | nn: eeore helped |
| 19:14.30 | azeem | germany |
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| 19:14.43 | nn- | sucks |
| 19:14.45 | DevilChaos | oops is a twat then |
| 19:14.47 | SlackRat | in jordan here, similar longitude i guess |
| 19:14.50 | eeyore- | !twat |
| 19:14.56 | eeyore- | what? |
| 19:14.56 | azeem | DevilChaos: are you homophobic? |
| 19:15.02 | DevilChaos | no |
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| 19:15.09 | DevilChaos | are you? |
| 19:15.10 | nn- | dissing gay people is gay |
| 19:15.11 | wols_ | eeyore-: dpkg is merkin. no brit slang I guess |
| 19:15.21 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: do you want to be? |
| 19:15.23 | SlackRat | hmn, back to work, thanks for checking azeem..... |
| 19:15.32 | DevilChaos | suits you sir |
| 19:15.37 | SlackRat | merkin is brit slang? |
| 19:15.44 | wols_ | twat is |
| 19:15.49 | wols_ | merkin is... something else :) |
| 19:15.51 | eeyore- | wols_: don't think so |
| 19:15.52 | SlackRat | its very american too, heh |
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| 19:16.03 | SlackRat | twat is, i mean |
| 19:16.03 | DevilChaos | no im not gay nor do i wnt to just having bit of fun rather the wriong thing to say about the man i must admitt |
| 19:16.14 | azeem | ok. |
| 19:16.26 | eeyore- | wols_: 'can i bum a fag' has very different meanings in america than it does in UK |
| 19:16.28 | SlackRat | if you say gates is an asshole you offend assholes, you cant win |
| 19:16.38 | SlackRat | very true , eeyore |
| 19:16.43 | JMilton_ | hello. i'm running out of inodes on a 1Gb ext2 partition (on USB flash). how can i re-mke2fs it and grow the number of available inodes? |
| 19:16.44 | DevilChaos | yes it does differ slightly lol |
| 19:16.45 | azeem | dissing Mr. Gates is off-topic in here anyway |
| 19:16.47 | wols_ | eeyore-: I know. "merkin" has very different meaning depenind on context too ;) |
| 19:17.21 | DevilChaos | azeem: url for topic? ihatemicrosoft.com |
| 19:17.28 | SlackRat | thanks again, azeem, peace..... |
| 19:17.33 | azeem | SlackRat: cheers |
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| 19:17.59 | nn- | JMilton_: what kind of data makes you run out of inodes? |
| 19:18.16 | DevilChaos | ok eeyore ill give it a whirl mounting as user and try that if not ill have to do it the other way |
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| 19:18.29 | eeyore- | JMilton_: you "man mke2fs", right? riiight?? |
| 19:18.37 | eeyore- | nn-: small files |
| 19:18.44 | eeyore- | nn-: lots of them |
| 19:18.47 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: right, but i don't exactly know which option to use |
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| 19:18.57 | eeyore- | JMilton_: the '-i' one? |
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| 19:19.13 | eeyore- | JMilton_: c'mon. how could you possibly miss 'bytes-per-inode'? |
| 19:19.27 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: i didn't actually miss it, i don't know how high to set it |
| 19:19.39 | eeyore- | jmil: how *low* to set it |
| 19:19.39 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: i don't even know the default value so i can increase from there |
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| 19:19.46 | nn- | eeyore-: what kind of data does actually need so incredibly many files? |
| 19:20.01 | eeyore- | JMilton_: setting it too high decreases available inodes. it's *bytes* *per* 1 inode |
| 19:20.01 | JMilton_ | oh |
| 19:20.14 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: got that, mea culpa |
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| 19:21.04 | wols_ | eeyore-: what about "-N" number of INodes? |
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| 19:21.13 | Phil[on] | hi people |
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| 19:21.22 | wols_ | nn-: maildir mailspool.... |
| 19:21.42 | Phil[on] | does someone know an application to view an work on a shell via https-webinterface??? |
| 19:21.45 | eeyore- | wols_: well yeah, but the bytes-per is 'better' (-N = absolute count) |
| 19:22.14 | debnuB | stew: still there? :) |
| 19:22.17 | JMilton_ | eeyore-, nn-: okay, i admit, i need that for my other gentoo, which has a huge /usr/portage |
| 19:22.20 | eeyore- | nn-: you'd have to ask him :-) |
| 19:22.35 | eeyore- | JMilton_: you have portage on flash? |
| 19:22.42 | nn- | haha |
| 19:22.44 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: i'm trying to |
| 19:22.54 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: minus packages and distfiles |
| 19:23.05 | eeyore- | JMilton_: how often do you --sync? |
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| 19:23.13 | debnuB | can anyone one point me a channel for network design? |
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| 19:23.29 | eeyore- | JMilton_: mine is about 500MB give or take |
| 19:23.40 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: about weekly. i *know* i'm losing speed, but i gain diskspace |
| 19:23.51 | mattl|nothere | !releases |
| 19:23.51 | dpkg | somebody said releases was see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 19:23.53 | eeyore- | JMilton_: and only about 12000 files |
| 19:23.54 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: i need the diskspace to share portage between my gentoo virtual servers |
| 19:24.07 | sorb | damn, my x server isn't working, I suspect that I need to install kernel 2.6 for my travelmate amd64 |
| 19:24.10 | eeyore- | JMilton_: nfs? |
| 19:24.10 | kronoz | i'm trying to mount a suse volume system (whatever it is) on debian with mount and it is saying you must specify the filesystem type, what do i do? |
| 19:24.38 | eeyore- | JMilton_: you'd probably be wearing it out soon :-) if you keep syncing once a week |
| 19:24.39 | sorb | none of the xf86config combinaions work, not even option 1 |
| 19:24.39 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: *very* little diskspace. i'm trying to move shared stuff away from the hard disk (i wouldn't rather move stuff from debian away :) ) |
| 19:24.41 | kronoz | i'm trying to mount a suse volume system (whatever it is) on debian with mount and it is saying you must specify the filesystem type, what do i do? |
| 19:24.47 | kronoz | sorry |
| 19:24.49 | nn- | kronoz: mount -t fstype |
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| 19:25.01 | nn- | kronoz: why dont you ask the manpage? |
| 19:25.04 | nn- | kronoz: tell us |
| 19:25.32 | Phil[on] | does someone know an application to view an work on a shell via https-webinterface??? |
| 19:25.40 | debnuB | Nice story "elders": http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 19:26.04 | sorb | would anyone agree with my hypothesis, I'de hate to waste my time... |
| 19:26.13 | nn- | Phil[on]: you mean a "web-shell"? |
| 19:26.14 | eeyore- | kronoz: how about first "fdisk -l /..." and figure out the partition type? |
| 19:26.19 | eeyore- | kronoz: that'd be a start |
| 19:26.28 | wols_ | sorb: your problem is using xf86config at all |
| 19:26.34 | wols_ | !tell sorb about drxx |
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| 19:27.12 | Phil[on] | nn- somethin like this, yes |
| 19:27.19 | sorb | drxx is the name of a better one? just type that eh? |
| 19:27.34 | nn- | Phil[on]: sounds interesting, but unfortunately i got no clue |
| 19:27.41 | sorb | damn tab function doesn't work by default in deb |
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| 19:28.02 | sorb | but I still don't think that I would have found it like that |
| 19:28.04 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: i still don't know how to find out the inode density i need |
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| 19:28.19 | Phil[on] | nn- : sh*t |
| 19:28.29 | wols_ | sorb: no. read what dpkg messaged you. however your crappy attempt at config probably fux0red your XF86Config4 too |
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| 19:29.11 | abrotman | Phil[on]: there is some software to do some of that |
| 19:29.19 | eeyore- | jmilt: ok, first start ... how many files do you have on your filesystem? dumpe2fs? |
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| 19:29.24 | abrotman | Phil[on]: i believe at one time there was a java applet that could run term emu |
| 19:29.57 | sorb | well, that answers my question, but I don't know what the other stuff means |
| 19:30.10 | wols_ | !tell sorb about grounding |
| 19:30.20 | Phil[on] | abrotman: tell me more |
| 19:30.29 | abrotman | !tell Phil[on] about more |
| 19:30.36 | wols_ | and maybe something called "ssh cgi" |
| 19:30.38 | tix64 | Phil[on]: try anyterm. to be found at http://anyterm.org/. unfortunately there isn't a debian package yet. |
| 19:30.46 | eeyore- | JMilton_: dumpe2fs /dev/... | head -n 40 | grep -i inode |
| 19:30.51 | sorb | I think just saying that I need to install that package, but I believe I should have it if I chose the gui option at install |
| 19:30.54 | abrotman | Phil[on]: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ssh+java+applet&btnG=Google+Search |
| 19:30.59 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 19:31.05 | jmp_me | Phil[on]: a php shell with apache2_mod_ssl |
| 19:31.06 | abrotman | PONY .. I WANT THE PONY! |
| 19:31.16 | eeyore- | !pony abrotman |
| 19:31.17 | jmp_me | H e HeHE |
| 19:31.24 | eeyore- | !spank abrotman |
| 19:31.36 | jmp_me | golden toilet.. |
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| 19:32.00 | wols_ | Phil[on]: mindterm ssh applet |
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| 19:32.08 | eeyore- | why someone would want *shell* over http (even https) is a bit beyond me |
| 19:32.15 | eeyore- | that's like an open invitation to hack ... |
| 19:32.28 | wols_ | eeyore-: heck people want to irc over http... |
| 19:32.42 | eeyore- | wols: i think that's acceptable |
| 19:32.46 | tix64 | Phil[on]: the java applet is called mindterm. but it needs a real ssh connection. so it is just useful if you can't install a ssh client on your machine. |
| 19:32.46 | Phil[on] | eeyore-: i can access my system only via https |
| 19:32.51 | jmp_me | eeyore-: passing thru firewalls etc |
| 19:32.52 | eeyore- | wols: you're not offering a window into the system that way |
| 19:33.04 | nn- | eeyore-: http is extremely flexible and widely used.. |
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| 19:33.20 | wols_ | eeyore-: so why is ssh over http worse than ssh? with the amount of scans on port22... |
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| 19:33.25 | eeyore- | nn-: yeah, but to then turn around and say, hey, if you come *here* you can have a *shell* on *my system* |
| 19:33.30 | wols_ | nn-: it's also stateless |
| 19:33.57 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: i've got 128k inodes, now counting the number of entries in /usr/portage |
| 19:34.27 | nn- | wols_: what exactly do you mean by stateless? |
| 19:34.34 | eeyore- | JMilton_: i don't know why you'd be running out of inodes. that seems *plentiful* i only have 12k files in my portage, not counting distfiles. maybe it's filled up with distfiles? |
| 19:34.40 | wols_ | http is a "stateless" protocol |
| 19:35.01 | eeyore- | JMilton_: with distfiles, mine is 125k, yeah, i can see how you would run out :-) |
| 19:35.04 | nn- | I get it |
| 19:35.05 | gnufan | wols_: irc over http, can I get abrotmans wisdom here using RSS yet ? |
| 19:35.37 | eeyore- | JMilton_: sorry, off by x10 earlier when i said 12k. i really mean 125k :-) |
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| 19:35.43 | wols_ | ask him if he has set up a feed to provide the world with is precious wisdom. but he doesn't strike me as a blogger so probably not |
| 19:35.45 | nn- | wols_: but there are various extensions that aren't |
| 19:36.02 | wols_ | nn-: which are? |
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| 19:36.23 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: distfiles aren't on the stick, so no. actually, running out of inodes was just my guess; while copying the files over, the copy died, and trying to even touch a new file in the root of the drive would fail. |
| 19:36.24 | nn- | wols_: server push for example? |
| 19:36.56 | Suprano | i wanted my apache2 server to build the config files new, so i apt-get remove'd apache2, deleted /etc/apache2, and installed it again, but etc/apche2 is still gone and /etc/init.d/apache2 says apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 19:37.28 | eeyore- | JMilton_: my feeling is that the files in portage are all very very small, so you might be best off with making the blocksize 1k (or 2k, you will have to analyze). if you use default 4k, you're wasting space. |
| 19:37.32 | wols_ | nn-: how can you do a server push? |
| 19:37.34 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: i ran ls -lR /usr/portage | egrep ^d\|^- | wc -l # the output was 141272 |
| 19:37.46 | wols_ | nn-: there is only polling masked as "push". nothing else |
| 19:37.55 | eeyore- | JMilton_: find /usr/portage -type f | wc -l :-) |
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| 19:38.22 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: yeah that would have worked too |
| 19:38.28 | concept10 | im running sarge with mysql 4.0.24 installed, how do I update to a higher version without destroying the databases? |
| 19:38.43 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: but i actually wanted to count dirs too, as they too need inodes |
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| 19:39.05 | Yoric | Ok, the kde accentuation now works. |
| 19:39.08 | eeyore- | JMilton_: they all need inodes, files, dirs, symlinks, etc. |
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| 19:39.15 | Yoric | Other question, now. |
| 19:39.16 | eeyore- | JMilton_: anyhow, change the blocksize first |
| 19:39.21 | wols_ | concept10: there is no higher vresion of mysql in sarge |
| 19:39.23 | Yoric | I have effectively foobared my evolution. |
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| 19:39.36 | concept10 | wols_, I see 4.1 from apt-cache |
| 19:39.42 | eeyore- | JMilton_: but ls -lR will give you dupes of . and .. |
| 19:39.43 | Yoric | \rm -Rf .evolution doesn't help, it still freezes at launch |
| 19:39.43 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: that's why i was asking the question in the first place! what should i set the blocksize to? |
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| 19:39.48 | gnufan | concept10: making a backup first is always a good idea.... I use dotdeb for MySQL5, but wonder if Etch might not be a better bet these days.... pays nothing, get lots of free software... wow |
| 19:39.49 | Yoric | any suggestion ? |
| 19:39.51 | eeyore- | JMilton_: 1k or 2k |
| 19:40.00 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: no, ls -laR will do that |
| 19:40.10 | eeyore- | oh wait, yeah -a |
| 19:40.18 | eeyore- | my bad. i always do -a :-) |
| 19:40.31 | concept10 | gnufan, dotdeb? |
| 19:40.59 | eeyore- | let's see ... how to do statistics ... hmm |
| 19:41.01 | Ace_Wolf | hi how to configure debian 3.1 with static ip + 16 ip block but its not the same numbers .. if eny one know to come priver thank you |
| 19:41.03 | gnufan | !tell concept10 about dotdeb |
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| 19:41.45 | digits | umm... isn't there a qmail package in debian? |
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| 19:42.08 | wols_ | concept10: you can have only one of them installed. so I guess, make a backup of your current mysql databases and just replace 4.0.24 with 4.1 |
| 19:42.36 | wols_ | digits: almost. can't distribute qmail binaries so it will download source and compile it |
| 19:42.49 | wols_ | digits: just use postfix or exim4, not worth the bother with qmail |
| 19:42.51 | wols_ | !qmail |
| 19:42.51 | dpkg | methinks qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
| 19:42.57 | digits | wols_: oh aha, ok |
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| 19:43.31 | gnufan | digits: there is a postfix package -- like qmail but with functionality and freedom |
| 19:43.49 | Zugschlus | !start an mta war |
| 19:43.49 | dpkg | sendmail loses mail |
| 19:43.54 | digits | wols_: trying to install a mailserver for my brother, never done anything like this on a debian system... what would you recommend, just interrested in a small server (a couple of sandbox domains, 5-6 users and imap only) |
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| 19:44.07 | eeyore- | JMilton_: 90510 files using 1k, 17513 files using 2k, 6569 files using 3k, 26282 files using 4k, ... |
| 19:44.07 | digits | gnufan: ok |
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| 19:44.16 | Zugschlus | digits: postfix is fine. |
| 19:44.24 | eeyore- | JMilton_: i think it's pretty clear that 90% of the files will be 1k |
| 19:44.30 | Zugschlus | With the extra advantage that I don't have to work on your postfix support requests |
| 19:44.31 | gnufan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.31 | dpkg | exim sucks |
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| 19:44.42 | Zugschlus | <= exim4 maintainer |
| 19:45.10 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: i'm using -b 2048 -i 2048 right now |
| 19:45.11 | wols_ | digits: postfix or exim4 (about equal, I prefer postfix). and courier-imap |
| 19:45.23 | Zugschlus | wols_: consider dovecot instead of courier |
| 19:45.24 | digits | ok |
| 19:45.24 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: that gives me 511k inodes, which is more than enough |
| 19:45.27 | wols_ | Spamassassin or clamav perhaps if the basic setup works |
| 19:45.30 | Zugschlus | !start an imap server war |
| 19:45.35 | gnufan | digits: courier-imap - bah - dovecot |
| 19:45.39 | digits | how do i see if a package is installed already? |
| 19:45.40 | wols_ | Zugschlus: why? |
| 19:45.54 | gnufan | digits: "dpkg -l" is always handy |
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| 19:46.01 | streuner | digits: dpkg -l <packageY |
| 19:46.04 | Zugschlus | wols_: because courier is hard to configure, overly paranoid and written by a "poor man's djb" who does not care too much about the standards |
| 19:46.04 | streuner | digits: dpkg -l <package> |
| 19:46.06 | digits | thanks |
| 19:46.33 | stew | Zugschlus: really? i've found that courier was way too standards compliant for its own good |
| 19:46.36 | rvsjoen^_ | can anybody recommend a package for managing network profiles (lan and wlan), i've tried out whereami but I can't really figure out how to make it work. |
| 19:46.36 | digits | and my wife thinks that irc is about chatting porn with minors ;P |
| 19:46.52 | eeyore- | JMilton_: for my part i have 60% of files using 1k :-) (i know my math sucked earlier :-) this one should be more accurate |
| 19:46.53 | wols_ | Zugschlus: it uses maildir and doesn't put files into strange locations as djb. no bothersome license either or it wouldn't be in debian. just apt-get it, maildirmake and you're done with it. works |
| 19:47.03 | stew | Zugschlus: when i've sent him patches to deal with malformed email he's thrown them out saying he's not interested in dealing with non-standards compliant mail |
| 19:47.09 | gnufan | digits: we can do porn, but we might have to do it in another channel..... a/s/l ? ;) |
| 19:47.14 | eeyore- | JMilton_: find /usr/portage -size 1k | wc -l |
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| 19:47.24 | wols_ | only downside I see is the excessive long time opening big folders since maildir sucks for them which is a reason I changed to cyrus21. that's all |
| 19:47.26 | Zugschlus | wols_: I have started using courier in march 2000 and have hated it from the first hour. I am very very glad to have migrated to dovecot last summer |
| 19:47.42 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: okay, i might consider lowering blocksize to 1k :) |
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| 19:47.47 | stew | i'm still dying to migrate to dovecot, but i can't yet |
| 19:47.48 | wols_ | stew: djb or the courier guy? |
| 19:47.49 | digits | gnufan: hehe |
| 19:47.52 | JMilton_ | eeyore-: thanks a lot for the help! |
| 19:47.56 | eeyore- | JMilton_: no prob |
| 19:47.57 | stew | wols_: courier, Mr. Sam |
| 19:48.07 | wols_ | Zugschlus: how did you migrate old imap boxes? |
| 19:48.12 | gnufan | stew: why not? |
| 19:48.12 | Zugschlus | most enlightening was reporting a POP3 AUTH bug, where I was first accused of reporting a bogus non-bug, and being ignored after proving that courier was not standards-compliant in this regard. |
| 19:48.19 | mixter | hi! i've got a new pentium 4 dual core system and just installed sarge (running the standard 2.6 kernel), i upgraded the kernel with the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp package to get use of both cores, but when booting the system hangs at "uncompressing linux". did i choose the wrong kernel? |
| 19:48.32 | Zugschlus | The issue was then silently resolved (without even a changelog entry) two releases later |
| 19:48.37 | stew | gnufan: our mua has a hard coded namespace right now, and the guy in charge of that is trying to get his phd instead of fixing it for me |
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| 19:48.55 | eeyore- | Zugschlus: dovecot does what? |
| 19:49.00 | stew | eeyore-: either |
| 19:49.17 | Zugschlus | wols_: I built a very strange fetchmail method since we didn't have the passwords of the old system as well |
| 19:49.21 | gnufan | stew: I think later dovecots do namespaces -- not in Sarge AFAIK -- so probably a non-starter |
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| 19:49.24 | stew | wols_: migrating from courier-imap is a noop as long as your mua deals with a changed namespace |
| 19:49.28 | Zugschlus | eeyore-: POP3/IMAP in a "do-what-i-mean" fashion |
| 19:49.41 | FlopsyPete | I have this program installed that shows me where the pointer is when I press the ctrl key. I want to remove it but don't know its name. is there a program I can run to see what program is catching the ctrl key? |
| 19:49.44 | eeyore- | Zugschlus: nifty, does it require some other weird packages? |
| 19:49.52 | gnufan | mixter: sounds right kernel to me.... try 2.4.27 686 smp kernel |
| 19:49.55 | stew | gnufan: oh, hmm that would be good. if so i'll backport it |
| 19:49.59 | eeyore- | (doesn't like courier either) |
| 19:50.10 | Zugschlus | eeyore-: only its dependencies (which are the usual database stuff mainly) |
| 19:50.11 | stew | !depends dovecot sarge |
| 19:50.12 | wols_ | stew: in the end I just moved the inbox into "local storage" in thunderbird and left the mailinglists. but it was very unsatisfactory |
| 19:50.14 | dpkg | dovecot: depends on dovecot-imapd, dovecot-pop3d |
| 19:50.19 | Zugschlus | I am using a backport of the sid package though |
| 19:50.19 | stew | thanks |
| 19:50.20 | mixter | gnufan: the raidcard doesn't work under 2.4 :-/ |
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| 19:50.34 | FlopsyPete | or is there somewhere in /proc I can cat to see what happens when I press ctrl? |
| 19:50.49 | streuner | !maint dovecot |
| 19:50.54 | eeyore- | will have to check out dovecot |
| 19:51.05 | stew | wols_: maildirs are standard, dovecot can read courier's maildirs and vice-versa |
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| 19:51.26 | wols_ | ah. I migrated to cyrus21. no vice versa there :) |
| 19:51.42 | eeyore- | Zugschlus: i currently have postfix deliver to maildir, virtual domain and all, in /mailboxes/<domain>/<user>/{cur,new,tmp} |
| 19:51.43 | wols_ | and I won't go back. |
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| 19:52.24 | eeyore- | can dovecot be set to handle that sort of virtual domains? |
| 19:52.27 | gnufan | eeyore-: the dovecot wiki has a postfix, virtual user, dovecot example config |
| 19:52.34 | eeyore- | ok |
| 19:52.44 | gnufan | eeyore-: I use it on my own email, and at work.... |
| 19:53.06 | eeyore- | that'd beat logging in and vi the mail :-)))))) i'm so 80's sometimes |
| 19:53.35 | FlopsyPete | has anyone even heard of a Debian package for pointing out where the pointer is when you press the ctrl key? |
| 19:53.43 | gnufan | eeyore-: although I think I have UWIMAP on the desktop here, I just have dovecot on the MTA box that I pick mail, and read mailing lists on..... I need to lose the UWIMAP as it sucks, but I can never find the motivation. |
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| 19:54.02 | wt | I think I may have found a bug with creating a snapshot of an XFS filesystem on LVM |
| 19:54.13 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 19:54.13 | dpkg | [reportbug] used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. install reportbug, then run reportbug. |
| 19:54.15 | wt | I wanted to make sure I wasn't doing somehting wrong though |
| 19:54.23 | eeyore- | gnufan: oh so basically i just set a virtual user record in db, along with the 'root' of the maildir, that's it? |
| 19:54.26 | eeyore- | seems easy |
| 19:54.45 | wt | I do "xfs_freeze -f /var" before creating the snapshot |
| 19:54.47 | jugglinx | did someone knows a free service of mail lists without adds in it? |
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| 19:55.15 | wt | creating the snapshot stalls until I "xfs_freeze -u /var" on another terminal |
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| 19:55.34 | streuner | heh, what's dovecot vs. popa3d? ;-) |
| 19:55.55 | gnufan | eeyore-: it is easy -- although I think some of my systems have dovecot looking for "/var/spool/mail/wherever/<domain>/<username>" whilst postfix has that hard coded per users -- just works better for me.. I'm having some fun figuring out server side filtering with virtual users in postfix, and maildir, but that is probably just my laziness |
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| 19:56.51 | wt | actually, it may just be a bug in lvm userland tools |
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| 19:57.50 | debnuB | Ever had the feeling the more you read the less you know :). That´s my feeling right now. :) |
| 19:57.56 | abrotman | jugglinx: for what purpose? |
| 19:58.03 | nn- | debnuB: that's life |
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| 19:58.11 | gnufan | debnuB: called learning -- it can be scary |
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| 19:59.21 | xxoxx | apt-get fails |
| 19:59.21 | nn- | + the more you think the less you understand |
| 19:59.22 | abrotman | debnuB: stop reading books for 6 year olds |
| 19:59.29 | abrotman | xxoxx: really... that's interesting |
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| 19:59.47 | wols_ | abrotman: but very meaningless |
| 19:59.47 | abrotman | has anyone else ever seen apt-get fail? |
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| 20:00.06 | wols_ | yes. anytime I enter "apt-get moo". really strange then |
| 20:00.06 | abrotman | i do believe it's unheard of .. certainly in the manner you described anyways |
| 20:00.09 | jugglinx | abrotman, i setting up a web like jamendo, more or less... |
| 20:00.19 | abrotman | wtf is jamendo ? |
| 20:00.28 | xxoxx | apt-get tries to connect to security.debian.org |
| 20:00.30 | xxoxx | but fails |
| 20:00.36 | jugglinx | abrotman, it will be more local and of all kinds of art |
| 20:00.37 | xxoxx | anybody else having same problem? |
| 20:00.39 | Ronin | xxoxx: errors? messages? |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | xxoxx: for which version of debian? |
| 20:00.49 | abrotman | xxoxx: presumably you've learned english .. use it |
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| 20:01.13 | abrotman | jugglinx: hrm .. not sure of any .. maybe ask a friend with a webhost to setup mailman for you |
| 20:01.15 | jugglinx | abrotman, is a web for distribution ( by P2P) of "free" or copylefted licensed art |
| 20:01.24 | xxoxx | abrotman wtf ? |
| 20:01.41 | abrotman | xxoxx: you're being extremely vague .. if you want help .. give us more details |
| 20:01.51 | wols_ | xxoxx: your problem descriptions have been crap so far. improve them |
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| 20:02.06 | abrotman | xxoxx: for example "I'm using etch and when i try to `apt-get update`, I get an error connecting to security.debian.org" |
| 20:02.17 | stew | and the error is this, "..." |
| 20:02.18 | blondie | xxoxx: please write a 2,000 word essay stating your problem. |
| 20:02.22 | Ronin | followed by the error ... |
| 20:02.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:02.25 | jugglinx | abrotman, ok, one more question, i will need CLI for setup mailman... and it s hard to setup? |
| 20:02.47 | abrotman | stew: Ronin: well .. in that particular case, the problem is obvious. No security updates at that URL for etch. |
| 20:02.50 | Vinland | I'm trying to set up jail for a user (I already have it working for another user) and I get this error message. abort, groupname cent6937 differs from jail groupname cent6938 for group ID 505, check /etc/passwd and /var/www/html/jail/etc/passwd |
| 20:03.00 | stew | my bets are that he's running unstable and getting a 404 on unstable/updates |
| 20:03.00 | abrotman | jugglinx: not at all .. not that i think anyways |
| 20:03.02 | wt | hmmm...lvm uses a lockfile at /var/lock/lvm/ |
| 20:03.09 | xxoxx | ok |
| 20:03.09 | Vinland | yet when I check both those files its the same group name and number |
| 20:03.13 | stew | abrotman: no, etch gets you an empty Packages file, unstable gets you a 4040 |
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| 20:03.20 | stew | /0$// |
| 20:03.23 | wt | it stalls while accessing it if I freeze the filesystem /var/lock/lvm is on |
| 20:03.23 | xxoxx | i am using colinux with stock debian image |
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| 20:03.34 | blondie | colinux? |
| 20:03.35 | abrotman | xxoxx: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us |
| 20:03.37 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 20:03.37 | dpkg | somebody said colinux was http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 20:03.39 | wt | maybe I should put /var/lock/lvm on it's own volume |
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| 20:04.19 | blondie | abrotman: a commercial PC eh |
| 20:04.21 | jugglinx | abrotman, ok thank you, and sorry the off-topic :-) |
| 20:04.22 | blondie | they're NAUGHTY |
| 20:04.24 | stew | xxoxx: put the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" and "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" into a pastebin, /msg dpkg paster |
| 20:04.41 | xxoxx | ok i am booting it up to run that command |
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| 20:05.13 | xxoxx | !pastebin |
| 20:05.14 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
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| 20:06.45 | xxoxx | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2262 |
| 20:06.49 | wols_ | blondie: there's something missing like "emulator" I guess |
| 20:06.57 | blondie | :P |
| 20:07.10 | abrotman | xxoxx: paste the full error and `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` |
| 20:07.28 | xxoxx | yes "cat /etc/apt/source.list" coming |
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| 20:08.41 | BiRD | !tell me about madwifi |
| 20:08.42 | BlackZun | IS there any easier way to get Debian else than burning it down on cd? Like some direct link?... |
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| 20:08.54 | abrotman | BlackZun: how would you like to download it? |
| 20:08.55 | xxoxx | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2263 |
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| 20:08.59 | Ronin | BlackZun: a netinstall or business cd is to much? |
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| 20:09.17 | BlackZun | I wold just like to have a .exe file.... |
| 20:09.23 | abrotman | xxoxx: when you run `apt-get update` .. what's the error |
| 20:09.29 | sgeigerbot | http://www.funambol.com/ <-- they CLAIM to be the world's most popular open source project. How sad. I could have been a customer... |
| 20:09.32 | abrotman | BlackZun: uhm .. no |
| 20:09.35 | Ronin | BlackZun: umm exe? |
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| 20:09.45 | xxoxx | BlackZun seriously consider colinux |
| 20:09.54 | abrotman | actually .. don't |
| 20:09.56 | BlackZun | Doesn't Linux have .exe files? :P |
| 20:10.01 | sgeigerbot | ...they claim it even on their homepage! |
| 20:10.02 | abrotman | no .. we have permissions |
| 20:10.09 | wols_ | blondie: i sense a troll here. and: no |
| 20:10.11 | Ronin | BlackZun: seriously dont consider it, just get a mini cd and burn and install |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | colinux is not a good way to use linux IMO |
| 20:10.27 | xxoxx | well i take that back |
| 20:10.28 | blondie | wols_: what? |
| 20:10.37 | BlackZun | Thx anyways... |
| 20:10.39 | wols_ | abrotman: it's fun! I ran my router on colinux once (added a bit of latency but worked great) |
| 20:10.40 | xxoxx | if you want to use linux as desktop, then sure stay away from colinux |
| 20:10.42 | stew | xxoxx: get rid of the non-us line. you still haven't shown us the error you are getting |
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| 20:10.52 | xxoxx | i am thinking in the sense of using it strictly for the LAMP stack |
| 20:10.57 | xxoxx | what non-us ? |
| 20:11.02 | xxoxx | i am in San Diego |
| 20:11.06 | Ronin | ion your sources list xxoxx |
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| 20:11.14 | abrotman | xxoxx: comment out "deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free" .. use a # |
| 20:11.24 | xxoxx | oh... |
| 20:11.35 | abrotman | i hope oracle buys mysql and tsarts charging for it |
| 20:11.35 | stew | xxoxx: non-us used to be a place to put packages which couldn't be exported from the us, but its no longer used |
| 20:11.43 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:11.44 | abrotman | xxoxx: please paste the error from `apt-get update` |
| 20:11.47 | xxoxx | i see |
| 20:11.58 | xxoxx | output of "apt-get update" coming |
| 20:12.12 | Yoric | Under Gnome, locking doesn't seem to do anything. |
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| 20:12.32 | Yoric | Can anyone tell me what program it's supposed to call ? |
| 20:12.33 | Serajewe1KS | when using start-stop-daemon in an initscript, how would i specify that i want the daemon to start as a specific user instead of root? --user doesn't seem to do the trick for --start, only for --stop. |
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| 20:12.43 | Suprano | i wanted my apache2 server to build the config files new, so i apt-get remove'd apache2, deleted /etc/apache2, and installed it again, but etc/apche2 is still gone and /etc/init.d/apache2 says apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 20:12.44 | Yoric | Serajewe1KS, --chuid |
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| 20:13.19 | BiRD | what command should tell me the kernel version i am using? |
| 20:13.26 | wols_ | Suprano: purge apache2 |
| 20:13.26 | Yoric | BiRD, uname -a |
| 20:13.29 | abrotman | uname -a .. or cat /proc/version |
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| 20:13.35 | Serajewe1KS | Yoric: gah thanks... i read the manpage, must have skipped that one somehow |
| 20:13.37 | Suprano | wols_, tryed that already |
| 20:13.44 | wols_ | do not just rm config directories. you can also now try to dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 20:13.46 | Yoric | Serajewe1KS, my pleasure. |
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| 20:14.12 | riot | how do i change the parameters gdm starts my xorg with? like --dpi |
| 20:14.51 | Suprano | wols_, apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 20:15.20 | wols_ | Suprano: also apache2-common etc |
| 20:15.26 | wols_ | there's more than one package I think |
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| 20:15.41 | Suprano | wols_, ok ill try that |
| 20:15.42 | wols_ | next time you want to reconfig settings: dpkg-reconfigure :) |
| 20:15.51 | xxoxx | output of "apt-get update" http://channels.debian.net/paste/2264 |
| 20:15.53 | Suprano | good to know |
| 20:16.33 | wols_ | xxoxx: do you have proper net connectivity from that box? |
| 20:16.37 | xxoxx | yes |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | xxoxx: nslookup http.us.debian.org |
| 20:16.43 | stew | Suprano: the config files are owned by apache2-common, you have to purge that, or /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 20:16.47 | xxoxx | it connects to every other internet host just fine |
| 20:16.50 | abrotman | xxoxx: do you have an HTTP proxy ? |
| 20:16.58 | xxoxx | i don't use a http proxy |
| 20:17.12 | wols_ | xxoxx: well the IP for http.us.debian.org looks rather strange |
| 20:17.18 | abrotman | well .. for some reason . it's resolving unusable IPs for those hosts |
| 20:17.18 | xxoxx | yes |
| 20:17.27 | xxoxx | yes i think so |
| 20:17.44 | xxoxx | i wonder if http.us.debian.org is the correct internet host to query? |
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| 20:18.01 | xxoxx | if so then I think the problem is down to a broken DNS on my local LAN |
| 20:18.01 | wols_ | xxoxx: it is. but your DNS server returns crap IPs for it |
| 20:18.19 | xxoxx | yeah now I have a pretty good idea. i think it is my cheapo router acting up |
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| 20:20.52 | Suprano | it worked. ty guys :=) |
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| 20:22.16 | nicoco | does someone know how to see the transfer rates and % in ftpwho (proftpd with sarge) ? plz msg me |
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| 20:22.54 | viki | I have installed xorg 6.9.0 and there is no DRI for my matrox g550 card. Can anybody help me? |
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| 20:24.21 | simonrvn | !msg me |
| 20:24.21 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg simonrvn. |
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| 20:25.46 | Serial | hi , |
| 20:25.55 | Serial | i think debian rules |
| 20:26.48 | Vinland | Its definitely gay friendly. |
| 20:26.48 | SlayerXP | debian sucks. |
| 20:26.54 | digits | man, setting up a mail server is rather frustrating - but interresting ;) |
| 20:26.56 | streuner_ | heh |
| 20:27.04 | SlayerXP | digits: hire me to do it for you. |
| 20:27.11 | Serial | SlayerXP you crazy men eh |
| 20:27.15 | Serial | debian rules |
| 20:27.21 | digits | SlayerXP: and miss out on all the fun? you crazy you ;P |
| 20:27.30 | SlayerXP | or better still, pay me to handle you mail and filter out all the crap: http://www.antibodymx.net/ |
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| 20:27.50 | simonrvn | </shameless plug> |
| 20:27.56 | grapefruit-cs | hey, how can I use apt-get with experimental packages |
| 20:28.08 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: if you have to ask, you can't. |
| 20:28.12 | simonrvn | by typing the command |
| 20:28.49 | grapefruit-cs | SlayerXP: ...? i've used gentoo my whole life, this is my first time using debian |
| 20:29.11 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: you're whole life? that's make you, what? 2? |
| 20:29.15 | simonrvn | short life |
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| 20:29.31 | grapefruit-cs | SlayerXP: 3 actually |
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| 20:29.47 | ryushe | Hi there, just downloaded debian 64bits netinst cd image, and for some reason it won't boot from the CD, even worse, the whole machine hangs after trying to boot from the CD. Other OS CDs boot fine, any suggestions? |
| 20:29.56 | r_marvin | somehow along the way, i screwed up my kde menus ( i have lots of stuff in lost&found and also lots of doubled entries). how can i fix them back? |
| 20:29.57 | grapefruit-cs | hey, how can I use apt-get with experimental packages |
| 20:30.04 | Defty | -t experimental (if you have an apt source for it) |
| 20:30.08 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: if you have to ask, you can't. |
| 20:30.12 | simonrvn | please don't just re-ask |
| 20:30.19 | grapefruit-cs | SlayerXP: you're a faggot |
| 20:30.23 | simonrvn | here we go again... |
| 20:30.29 | simonrvn | oh, a homophobe too |
| 20:30.34 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: yes. and? |
| 20:30.36 | Defty | oh sorry i didn't realize he was going to ask so i answered |
| 20:30.42 | stew | grapefruit-cs: stop that |
| 20:31.02 | grapefruit-cs | stfu |
| 20:31.36 | stew | grapefruit-cs: please just use ignore and stop with the name calling |
| 20:31.37 | simonrvn | and a rapist. what a nice guy |
| 20:31.43 | Jimz | looks like that age prediction was quite accurate |
| 20:32.10 | grapefruit-cs | hey Jimz, you're cool as fuck |
| 20:32.11 | ryushe | Anyone on the not-able-to-boot-from-64bit-netinst-cdrom question? I've been trying for a full day now ;( |
| 20:32.18 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: it's ironic that he calls me a faggot, as though that's derogatory, and then claims to have forced sex with another man |
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| 20:32.32 | simonrvn | amazing. |
| 20:32.36 | Defty | ryushe: dunno, probably oyu have wrong kinda 64b arch |
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| 20:32.57 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: I'm guessing that his IQ isn't up to handling that sort of complex language interplay. |
| 20:33.01 | ryushe | Defty > EM64T, which from what I understand is 64bit arch |
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| 20:33.02 | simonrvn | goes to prove that old saying that homophobes tend to be closet gays |
| 20:33.15 | stew | can we please just move on |
| 20:33.21 | jelly-ho | grapefruit-cs: the whole point was - you really don't want to use packages from experimental, especially if you've just started using this distro |
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| 20:33.27 | Defty | ryushe: i'm not sure debian even supports all 64b archs, dunno what that one is though |
| 20:33.27 | janez | v|p3r, http://201.243.19.233/acid.png |
| 20:33.28 | chaedaeX | anyone know how to tag all messages with a specific flag in mutt? |
| 20:33.37 | simonrvn | stew: gladly |
| 20:33.48 | SlayerXP | emt64 is intel's laughable 64 bit architecture. |
| 20:33.50 | Defty | ryushe: at least amd64 used not to work iirc |
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| 20:33.53 | stew | grapefruit-cs: yes, its a convention here that if you don't know how to find experimental on your own you probably shouldn't be using the packages |
| 20:33.57 | SlayerXP | debian mad64 will run on it |
| 20:34.02 | ryushe | Defty > Intel standard 64bit arch, altho I did notice the iso name states amd64 (amd64 worked for the ubuntu live cd tho) |
| 20:34.02 | Serial | where download limewire.deb please |
| 20:34.10 | Serial | limewire hehhe |
| 20:34.13 | SlayerXP | Serial: did you try the Internet? |
| 20:34.17 | grapefruit-cs | i dont give a fuck what i should or shouldn't be doing |
| 20:34.30 | Serial | SlayerXP ehm client p2p |
| 20:34.33 | Serial | limewire rules |
| 20:34.38 | simonrvn | s/ernet/arweb/ |
| 20:34.45 | Defty | ryushe: oh, well.. i don't really know then |
| 20:34.56 | stew | grapefruit-cs: please chill out or leave |
| 20:34.58 | SlayerXP | Serial: so do search engines. |
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| 20:35.15 | Serial | url? |
| 20:35.25 | Vinland | is anyone here a linux genious? |
| 20:35.31 | ryushe | bah, I'd hate to install deb 32bit when I later could find out that it would have worked |
| 20:35.33 | pipeline | Vinland: Tons of'em. |
| 20:35.34 | Vinland | sp |
| 20:35.36 | cureless | Vinland: everybody is |
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| 20:35.37 | stew | Vinland: if you have a real question, just ask it |
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| 20:36.15 | Defty | ryushe: try to install so that you can only update relevant parts and keep the configuration.. :\ |
| 20:36.27 | Vinland | heh, well rather than post everything here. I have it outlined at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2176588&posted=1#post2176588 its the last post. Its something really simple I know...but |
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| 20:36.40 | sgeigerbot | Vinland: of course. The genii always hang out with the people who are total newbies. |
| 20:36.41 | ryushe | Defty > yeah, I think I will do that, rather use deb32 than ubuntu for some reason ;) |
| 20:36.49 | cureless | Vinland: is it a debian question? |
| 20:37.04 | Vinland | cureless - nope |
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| 20:37.47 | jab_ | Hello everybody, how I install Debian IA64? |
| 20:38.03 | ryushe | jab_ > what error are you getting? |
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| 20:39.32 | jab_ | the CD is not booting |
| 20:39.38 | jab_ | in any machine... |
| 20:39.45 | jab_ | I download twice |
| 20:39.49 | jab_ | the md5 match |
| 20:39.53 | wols_ | have you set the machine to boot from CD ROM in bios? |
| 20:40.00 | ryushe | jab_ > I know ... I have the same problem |
| 20:40.02 | sgeigerbot | Vinland: is your question the one about jk_chrootsh? |
| 20:40.10 | wols_ | oops. ia64 |
| 20:40.12 | ryushe | jab_ > it hangs after trying to boot from the cd over here |
| 20:40.41 | pipeline | jab_: Are you sure it's an IA64 machine? |
| 20:41.02 | pipeline | jab_: If it doesn't say "HP Visualize" or "HP zx" on the front, it probably isn't... |
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| 20:41.09 | ryushe | pipeline > IA64 = 64bit for Intel EM64T and AMD 64bit right? |
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| 20:41.14 | pipeline | ryushe: No. |
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| 20:41.25 | wols_ | ryushe: no |
| 20:41.31 | ryushe | bah, there's my issue then |
| 20:41.31 | Vinland | sgeirgerbot - its about the error message "abort, groupname cent241 differs from jail groupname cent6938 for group ID 505, check /etc/passwd and /var/www/html/jail/etc/passwd" |
| 20:41.32 | pipeline | ryushe: IA64 is intel's 64 bit architecture. AMD64 is a 64 bit extension to IA32 |
| 20:41.34 | wols_ | IA64 = Itanic (intel only) |
| 20:41.41 | wols_ | !amd64 |
| 20:41.41 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 20:41.53 | jelly-ho | Itanium, even |
| 20:41.57 | pipeline | ryushe: You wouldn't believe how many people make that mistake. |
| 20:42.03 | ScribbleJ | Itanic is a better description. |
| 20:42.03 | wols_ | no. Itanic. it's canonical by now |
| 20:42.16 | SlayerXP | tItanic is a better description |
| 20:42.22 | ryushe | pipeline > well, if IA64 is Intels 64bit arch, that should work on EM46T then right? Which afaik is Intels 64bit arch name? |
| 20:42.22 | Buddha| | What do I need to do to grant an ordinary user the ability to mount devices? |
| 20:42.27 | pipeline | ScribbleJ, wols_ : Given that the product has been a smashing success, I don't think the "itanic" moniker is really accurate. |
| 20:42.29 | ScribbleJ | SlayerXP, uh... thanks, that's the joke, see? |
| 20:42.30 | wols_ | ryushe: No |
| 20:42.37 | pipeline | ryushe: No. EM46T is their trademark for amd64. |
| 20:42.45 | jelly-ho | dunno, Oracle runs pretty well on those buggers. It better, what with 3-6-12 MB of cache... |
| 20:42.50 | pipeline | ryushe: IA64 is an entirely different architecture. EM64T is just a 64 bit extension to IA32. |
| 20:43.01 | wols_ | ryushe: intel has two 64bit arches now. they wanted it to be IA64 but that sucked, so they had to copy AMD's approach |
| 20:43.10 | pipeline | wols_: Uh, no. |
| 20:43.20 | ScribbleJ | pipeline - smashing? Like... when the Titanic smashed into that iceberg? |
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| 20:43.25 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: No. |
| 20:43.32 | wols_ | ScribbleJ: sinking. very fast |
| 20:43.32 | ryushe | thanks, didn't know this ... /me got stuck with the wrong chip then :/ |
| 20:43.39 | wols_ | pipeline: so what did I say wrong? |
| 20:43.41 | stew | that was more like a bad scrape than a smash |
| 20:43.50 | pipeline | wols_, ScribbleJ: Itanium killed off nearly all of its competitors. It's selling pretty well. It has the best uniprocessor performance of anything on the market. |
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| 20:44.11 | wols_ | pipeline: lol "selling very well"? you're funny |
| 20:44.13 | ryushe | but basically, there is no decent debian installer for EM64T then besides the i386 installer ? |
| 20:44.18 | ScribbleJ | Huh |
| 20:44.20 | pipeline | wols_, ScribbleJ : It did, indeed, fall short of their predictions that it would replace x86, but it's certainly doing well in the arena it was designed to compete in. |
| 20:44.25 | ScribbleJ | Well, I'll admit I dont' follow these things closel. |
| 20:44.26 | ScribbleJ | +y |
| 20:44.29 | pipeline | wols_: Uh, what do you think HP sells, dumbass? |
| 20:44.30 | SlayerXP | the main problems with Itanium is that a) it's horribly expensive and 2) you can't buy one |
| 20:44.32 | wols_ | are itanics still counted in single machines in garrner surveys? |
| 20:44.39 | eko | apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src <<< not found help me pls i am using debian 64 bit :( |
| 20:44.44 | wols_ | pipeline: please don't call me names |
| 20:44.47 | Deep6 | anyone know why I have 339 CRON processes all in this state futex(0x805bdf0, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL |
| 20:44.47 | Deep6 | ? |
| 20:44.48 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 20:44.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 20:44.56 | abrotman | wols_: as opposed to single worthless piles of electronics? |
| 20:44.58 | Deep6 | !futex |
| 20:44.59 | ScribbleJ | But I was under the strong impression that Intel's 64-bit parchitecture was pretty much stillborn, and then AMD made something successful, and at that point, Intel dropped their architecture to mimc AMD's. |
| 20:45.03 | pipeline | wols_: Probably. The only vendor that sells Itanium is HP. |
| 20:45.07 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: Nope. |
| 20:45.15 | wols_ | pipeline: now you are wrong. SGI |
| 20:45.16 | abrotman | pipeline: and SGI |
| 20:45.16 | mindbob | Does anyone in here use Webalizer? |
| 20:45.18 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: Itanium is a high-end RISC processor. It's priced out of the morket. |
| 20:45.22 | resiak | eko: ^^^Â #debian-amd64 may know more |
| 20:45.23 | abrotman | and useless! |
| 20:45.26 | pipeline | wols_, abrotman : SGI has like, single digit annual sales :P |
| 20:45.29 | eko | ok |
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| 20:45.31 | abrotman | mindbob: that's vague |
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| 20:45.36 | abrotman | pipeline: they still sell them |
| 20:45.38 | ScribbleJ | pipeline, how can it be "priced out of the market" and also "wildly successful?" |
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| 20:45.47 | abrotman | itanium is far from successful |
| 20:45.56 | pipeline | wols_, abrotman : If you want to get technical, NEC, Fujitsu, and Hitachi also sell Itanium, in very small numbers. |
| 20:46.02 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: Priced out of the peecee trash market. |
| 20:46.07 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: It's doing OK in UNIX boxes :P |
| 20:46.08 | abrotman | itanium is sold in very small numbers |
| 20:46.24 | ScribbleJ | So... considering AMD 64 is doing well in PC boxes... how can you even claim the sales numbers compare? |
| 20:46.25 | wols_ | ScribbleJ: it's not. a few days ago there was a rumour about in on the inquirer: intell selling itanic line to a jap consortium. the closing line was: "it's unlcear how much money intel has to pay them to take the line over" |
| 20:46.34 | ScribbleJ | *nix sertver market is WAY, WAY smaller thant he PC desktop market. |
| 20:46.34 | grapefruit-cs | how can i see experimental packages in aptitude |
| 20:46.41 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: The same thing happened to DEC Alpha in the 90s -- they talked a big game about selling it in PC trash boxes, and ended up pricing it so high that they really only sold them in UNIX systems. |
| 20:46.42 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 20:46.42 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference |
| 20:46.49 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: Actually, it's about three times the size of the PC market :P |
| 20:46.57 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: Where do you think HP, Sun, and IBM make their money? |
| 20:47.02 | abrotman | pipeline: in dollars perhaps .. not in units |
| 20:47.03 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: Pro tip: Dell is a distant, distant fourth in sales. |
| 20:47.04 | stew | grapefruit-cs: what have you tried so far? |
| 20:47.06 | ron_ | is there a guide to install fglrx driver? i have no gui :/ |
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| 20:47.11 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: you seem to forget we're still here. if you have to ask, you should'nt be using experimental. |
| 20:47.17 | pipeline | abrotman: Dollars are what matter. I don't get rich throwing units around :P |
| 20:47.23 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 20:47.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 20:47.24 | ScribbleJ | Shit, I guess I dont' know. I'm not saying you're wrong... only that if you're right, I apparently don't know jack about the overall computer market. |
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| 20:47.33 | abrotman | pipeline: actually .. margin is what matters :) |
| 20:47.34 | grapefruit-cs | stew: ive tried apt-get -t experimental |
| 20:47.38 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: Eh, most people don't. Don't beat yourself up. I'm an economist, you aren't. :P |
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| 20:47.48 | ScribbleJ | Right. I'm a coder, not an economist. |
| 20:47.49 | eko | not know any body :( |
| 20:47.52 | pipeline | abrotman: Fair enough :P |
| 20:48.02 | grapefruit-cs | SlayerXP: i dont need advice on how to use my distro |
| 20:48.11 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: clearly you do. |
| 20:48.12 | abrotman | pipeline: good thing i'm not an economist .. i merely passed my micro/macro econ classes :) |
| 20:48.17 | stew | grapefruit-cs: oh, we were under the impression that that was why you were here |
| 20:48.26 | GoAuLd | pipeline: what the hell happened with the freaking eur/usd today ? |
| 20:48.32 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: if you didn't, why are you here asking questions about it? |
| 20:48.36 | ScribbleJ | I passed mine too, abrotman, every day on the way to the pub. |
| 20:48.37 | ron_ | is there a guide to install fglrx driver? i have no gui... please |
| 20:48.40 | grapefruit-cs | I ASKED HOW DO TO SOMETHING NOT WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD DO IT |
| 20:48.41 | pipeline | GoAuLd: I have no bloody idea. |
| 20:48.43 | mindbob | abrotman, Well, im running webalizer and root keeps getting an email from cron saying this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3wH8HF58.html - I have no idea what it means, but its flooding my email dir quite a bit and would like to resolve the matter, any ideas? |
| 20:48.46 | stew | grapefruit-cs: don't shout |
| 20:48.54 | grapefruit-cs | stew: dont cry |
| 20:48.56 | pipeline | abrotman: eheh. Me too :P |
| 20:49.00 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: and now you need help with your capslock |
| 20:49.07 | abrotman | mindbob: in debian ? |
| 20:49.09 | grapefruit-cs | SlayerXP: I CARE |
| 20:49.09 | stew | cry? |
| 20:49.23 | GoAuLd | very good US news makes USD retracing more than 150 pips! |
| 20:49.30 | mindbob | abrotman, no on freebsd :( |
| 20:49.35 | SlayerXP | grapefruit-cs: gentoo was made for people like you. please use it. |
| 20:49.35 | abrotman | mindbob: but you're askign here? |
| 20:49.43 | wols_ | pipeline: how big is the PC market world wide (in revenue I guess)? |
| 20:49.57 | dondelelcaro | grapefruit-cs: lay off the caps, please. |
| 20:50.01 | abrotman | mindbob: i know that webalizer has a yahoo group for support .. |
| 20:50.02 | grapefruit-cs | NAH |
| 20:50.05 | BiRD | why does my Interface ath0 - KWiFiManager say that I am connected to my network with exellent strength.. but I cannot even ping? This windows computer I am on now seems to work fine wirelessly |
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| 20:50.17 | mindbob | abrotman, i know its not specific to freebsd its a webalizer question, i checked #webalizer no one there, im just taking my chances.. sorry if i offended. |
| 20:50.43 | abrotman | mindbob: nah .. but i couldn't even guess what version freebsd has in thier ports system |
| 20:50.55 | abrotman | mindbob: perhaps ask #freebsd ? |
| 20:51.01 | mindbob | ok |
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| 20:51.03 | Shadowcat | bah, ports, portage, apt, yum |
| 20:51.04 | mindbob | thanks |
| 20:51.20 | Shadowcat | why can't people decide on a single package mangement system |
| 20:51.45 | wols_ | cause apt is totally unseited for a source based distro for example |
| 20:51.56 | Deep6 | anyone know what FUTEX_WAIT is ? |
| 20:52.01 | wols_ | and RH couldn't get over NIH I guess (or debian with deb?) |
| 20:52.10 | Shadowcat | NIH? |
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| 20:52.12 | Shadowcat | oh |
| 20:52.13 | weasel00 | Shadowcat : ever try ordering one type of pizza for a large crowd, how many of them are actually truly pleased with what they get? |
| 20:52.15 | Shadowcat | yum isn't in house |
| 20:52.15 | ScribbleJ | Shadowcat, except for the package management system, and maybe a couple peices of eye-candy, what else differentiates linux distros? |
| 20:52.20 | wols_ | not invented here |
| 20:52.29 | abrotman | mindbob: another place to ask(but don't be offended if they tell you to ask elsewhere) is #web |
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| 20:52.31 | Shadowcat | wols_: yum was invented by yellow dog |
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| 20:52.33 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: legacy? backwards compatibility? different goals? |
| 20:52.45 | wols_ | Shadowcat: ok. same thing apples just YD then |
| 20:52.49 | Shadowcat | oh forgot urpmi, yast |
| 20:53.02 | stew | all of which is off topic here |
| 20:53.02 | Shadowcat | and whatever sun uses |
| 20:53.05 | rvsjoen | Deep6: http://ds9a.nl/futex-manpages/futex2.html |
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| 20:53.07 | \amethyst | ScribbleJ: In the case of Debian, the DFSG |
| 20:53.09 | fndude | Hi, I want to migrate an install to md raid1, whats the best way to go about this? |
| 20:53.10 | weasel00 | up2date (RH) |
| 20:53.13 | miweit00 | hi |
| 20:53.18 | Shadowcat | stew: not really |
| 20:53.18 | pipeline | wols_: I don't know. In the U.S., something on the order of 50-80 billion. The computer market on the whole in the U.S. is closer to 400-500 billion. |
| 20:53.19 | \amethyst | well, the whole Social Contract, actually |
| 20:53.23 | stew | Shadowcat: really |
| 20:53.25 | nn- | weasel00: some will even feel offended if they have to eat pizza .. |
| 20:53.29 | pipeline | ScribbleJ: Sun uses standard SysV packaging. ugly, ugly. |
| 20:53.29 | Shadowcat | do you have any idea of how annoying it is to administer several different distros |
| 20:53.35 | Shadowcat | package management can drive you up the wall |
| 20:53.42 | Shadowcat | literally |
| 20:53.49 | miweit00 | how can i start the vnc-server a way it exports the current display? |
| 20:53.53 | weasel00 | nn- : thats my point on why there are so many different pkg installers =) |
| 20:54.01 | wols_ | pipeline: well, gartner said the money from shipped servers 2005 is 20billion. imho there is a lot more PeeCees sold in revenue and units than servers. MUCH more |
| 20:54.07 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: well migrate to a single distro then. :-) |
| 20:54.09 | Shadowcat | it'd be a whole lot easier if someone would just decide on a single standard and implement it |
| 20:54.14 | abrotman | xar! |
| 20:54.27 | resiak | ebuild! |
| 20:54.35 | wols_ | pipeline: services of course is different, but that's nothing to do why a CPU fails or succeeds. all that matters there: how many machines are sold which need that CPU |
| 20:54.36 | Shadowcat | jelly-ho: if you want to rewrite half a dozen in house apps to work in debian I'll migrate |
| 20:54.39 | Buddha| | tgz! |
| 20:54.41 | fndude | Can't you set up your own package distro, and support the packages you want there. For all of your systems? |
| 20:54.42 | Shadowcat | otherwise, I'm stuck sorting out yum |
| 20:54.49 | jelly-ho | openpkg! |
| 20:54.53 | weasel00 | wols : if you are talking total units its personal computers, total $$ its servers |
| 20:54.55 | pipeline | wols_: Heh, given that HP is migrating their entire line from five processors to two, a lot :P |
| 20:54.55 | nn- | wols_: who is gartner? |
| 20:55.04 | pipeline | nn-: Professional bullshitters. |
| 20:55.21 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: np, as long as the price is right. |
| 20:55.22 | weasel00 | you mean gartner group? |
| 20:55.25 | wols_ | weasel00: so how many (in $) |
| 20:55.27 | pipeline | wols_: Right now, HP sells HHPA, MIPS, IA64, AXP, and x86. |
| 20:55.33 | Shadowcat | jelly-ho: ya they ain't gonna pay me |
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| 20:55.37 | Shadowcat | or I'd convert it |
| 20:55.39 | pipeline | wols_: Five years from now, HP intends to only be selling IA64 and x86. |
| 20:55.43 | BiRD | bash: modprobe: command not found !!! help! |
| 20:55.43 | weasel00 | wols_ : gimme a second.. ill look it up |
| 20:55.58 | stew | BiRD: are you root? is /sbin in your path? |
| 20:55.59 | wols_ | pipeline: do you honestly think itanic will survive forever? |
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| 20:56.11 | mindbob | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 20:56.14 | Shadowcat | wols_: seriously, to be 100% honest |
| 20:56.16 | jelly-ho | pipeline: they still sell Alphas? |
| 20:56.16 | streuner_ | BiRD: are you using debian or windows? |
| 20:56.18 | pipeline | wols_: Of course. Why not? It's doing pretty well. |
| 20:56.21 | pipeline | jelly-ho: Yes. |
| 20:56.28 | Shadowcat | I'd rather have an itanium than an x86 chip |
| 20:56.29 | pipeline | jelly-ho: They're very hard to buy, but they still technically sell them. |
| 20:56.31 | BiRD | ok i am root now.. phey ty |
| 20:56.34 | wols_ | pipeline: is itanic really making money for intel? when? where? |
| 20:56.35 | Deep6 | rvsjoen, thanks.....any chance you know why cron would be wigged out with about 300 child processes waiting like that? |
| 20:56.36 | pipeline | jelly-ho: The same is true of their MIPS systems. |
| 20:56.37 | Shadowcat | I am so sick of x86 legacy it isn't even funny |
| 20:56.54 | pipeline | Shadowcat: You can buy a referbished Itanium from HP for about 2,000$, but they're really, really, really slow. |
| 20:56.56 | suyog | how do i create desktop icons in xfce? |
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| 20:57.05 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Crippled fucking system design -- no memory bandwidth, use PC133 SDRAM. *shudder* |
| 20:57.09 | pipeline | Shadowcat: FP performance is good, though ;) |
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| 20:57.12 | streuner_ | suyog: apt-get install idesk? |
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| 20:57.25 | Shadowcat | pipeline: an x86 boots off a bios that's been patched around a billion times since the original bios by IBM in 1980 |
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| 20:57.37 | suyog | idesk!! thanks streuner_ |
| 20:57.42 | Shadowcat | which uses an architecture and system bus that's gone through about a billion changes since that time as well |
| 20:57.45 | vin` | suyog: installed off the biz card? |
| 20:57.48 | pipeline | Shadowcat: If you want an exotic architecture, your best bet is probably SPARC. |
| 20:57.59 | Shadowcat | pipeline: I want something non-legacy |
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| 20:58.04 | Shadowcat | I really don't care what it is at this point |
| 20:58.15 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Heh. Itanium and POWER are the only exotic architectures that definitively qualify as "non-legacy" |
| 20:58.16 | suyog | no, installed from an old set of CDs |
| 20:58.18 | wols_ | Shadowcat: POWER or SPARC I guess |
| 20:58.23 | pipeline | Shadowcat: SPARC is something an ordinary human can afford. |
| 20:58.34 | nn- | sparc will be dead soon |
| 20:58.45 | pipeline | nn-: Well, probably not. But it's not really alive, either. |
| 20:58.46 | myboxen | afternoon all, I reinstalled debian 3.1 testing, saved my home directory. I am having issues with Gnome, is there a way to delete the saved gnome profile from the previous install and put it back to default? |
| 20:58.46 | abrotman | not likely |
| 20:58.47 | wols_ | sun might. sparc: not so sure |
| 20:58.52 | jelly-ho | Shadowcat: what about an intel Mac -- no BIOS there... ;-) |
| 20:58.52 | fndude | I want to buy an old SGI machine. |
| 20:58.54 | pipeline | nn-: Sun SPARC is already dead, but Fujitsu will be making them for decades. |
| 20:58.58 | abrotman | sparc will continue for probably another 10 years .. at least |
| 20:58.59 | suyog | and how about a good file manager for xfce? |
| 20:59.01 | Shadowcat | pipeline: take my motherboard for example, it assigns every device to IRQ11 |
| 20:59.08 | Shadowcat | vga, two ide controllers, nic |
| 20:59.11 | vin` | suyog: rox-filer? |
| 20:59.15 | resiak | suyog: thunar! |
| 20:59.17 | Shadowcat | and msi is wondering why my system crashes |
| 20:59.21 | pipeline | jelly-ho: Intel Macs use the same firmware as Itanium systems. |
| 20:59.22 | abrotman | gentoo! |
| 20:59.25 | abrotman | xfe! |
| 20:59.26 | vin` | resiak: never heard of it. |
| 20:59.28 | Shadowcat | that is why I hate dealing with legacy systems |
| 20:59.29 | nn- | pipeline: they will drift into more and more exotic markets |
| 20:59.29 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Uh, actually, I think that's windows NT brain damage. I've heard of that problem. |
| 20:59.31 | weasel00 | wols_ : this is interesting... http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm#1.1 |
| 20:59.38 | Shadowcat | pipeline: no this is before NT |
| 20:59.39 | suyog | i see |
| 20:59.44 | pipeline | nn-: SPARC is, right now, about as dead as it's going to get :p |
| 20:59.49 | resiak | vin`: your loss ;) |
| 20:59.49 | Shadowcat | bios post screen puts half the devices on the system on one IRQ |
| 20:59.53 | pipeline | nn-: It's not really allive, it's not really dead. |
| 20:59.55 | Shadowcat | nothing to do with NT |
| 20:59.56 | wols_ | what about niagara? |
| 20:59.56 | jelly-ho | pipeline: that EFI (sp) thing? Ugly. openprom is much nicer |
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| 21:00.08 | pipeline | nn-: And, believe it or not, Solaris/SPARC is by far the dominant UNIX platform :\ |
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| 21:00.36 | Shadowcat | pipeline: we run sparc on all our computer science machines |
| 21:00.37 | Shadowcat | I believe you |
| 21:00.48 | BiRD | how am I connected to my linksys but i still cannot ping bbc.co.uk? |
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| 21:01.22 | GoAuLd | bird: ping a known ip address to see that dns is not failing |
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| 21:01.31 | GoAuLd | eg: my ip 80.34.99.37 |
| 21:01.44 | Shadowcat | 212.58.226.53 <---- BBC |
| 21:02.13 | Shadowcat | ping -i 0 80.34.99.37 |
| 21:02.14 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 21:02.15 | BiRD | distination host unreachable |
| 21:02.29 | Shadowcat | BiRD: can you reach the other ip? |
| 21:02.40 | BiRD | let me see |
| 21:02.51 | wols_ | BiRD: "route" and check if you have a entry "default" |
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| 21:04.11 | BiRD | route returns destination 192.168.1.0 and default both for Iface eth0 and 192.168.1.0 for ath0 |
| 21:04.53 | BiRD | wols_: |
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| 21:05.43 | stew | BiRD: are you sure those shouldn't be 192.168.1.1? can you ping 192.168.1.0? |
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| 21:05.52 | wols_ | BiRD: does your linksys have a defaultroute? can you ping that IP your linksys connects to/uses as default? |
| 21:06.08 | stew | wait |
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| 21:06.16 | stew | i'll bet he has a network and no default gw |
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| 21:06.22 | suyog | vin`, i installed rox-filer and idesk, and now my mouse buttons don't work on the desktop. how can i refresh xfce without loggint out? |
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| 21:06.42 | vin` | suyog: it's been a while, unsure. |
| 21:06.46 | BiRD | stew: able to ping 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:06.48 | stew | BiRD: do any of the entries in "route -n" have the G flag, or do they all only have the U flag? |
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| 21:07.00 | suyog | ah, okay. i better log out and back |
| 21:07.11 | vin` | suyog: run screen so you stay connected. |
| 21:07.14 | stew | BiRD: when you ping 192.168.1.0 do you get a reply from 192.168.1.0 or 192.168.1.1? |
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| 21:07.26 | BiRD | stew: G flag on defaulth for eth0 |
| 21:07.58 | stew | BiRD: where is the reply from? |
| 21:08.13 | weasel00 | wols : did i send this link to you? http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww1203.htm#1.1 |
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| 21:08.22 | EdibleText | BiRD, you have a netmask of 255.255.255.0? |
| 21:08.39 | BiRD | edibletext: yes |
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| 21:08.46 | EdibleText | if you do 192.168.1.0 is network id |
| 21:08.47 | wols_ | weasel00: yes and it timed out. will try again |
| 21:08.51 | BiRD | stew: 192.168.1.107 |
| 21:08.52 | stew | probably |
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| 21:09.14 | EdibleText | BiRD, and shouldnt be a gateway |
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| 21:09.32 | stew | BiRD: yeeh then you are pinging the network, your gateway must be some other address, possibly 192.168.1.107 possibly 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:09.34 | weasel00 | wols_ : try just the www.etforecasts.com and see if you can navigate to it |
| 21:09.45 | BiRD | edibletext: gateway is * |
| 21:09.58 | davascript | the address of your router |
| 21:10.00 | stew | * is not an ip address |
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| 21:10.16 | wols_ | weasel00: I can. but those are unit numbers right? |
| 21:10.27 | \amethyst | BiRD: do you only have one route entry? |
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| 21:10.33 | EdibleText | BiRD, did you configure dhcp on your gate way or is it provided by a CPE or soho 'router' |
| 21:11.06 | EdibleText | gate\ way/gateway |
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| 21:11.37 | BiRD | edibletext: i did not config dhcp on my gateway it must be provided |
| 21:11.47 | weasel00 | wols_ : In 1975 less than 50,000 PCs were sold with a value of about $60M. From this limited start the PC industry has grown to unit sales exceeding 128M units per year and revenues surpassing $225B in 2002. |
| 21:11.48 | Shadowcat | 813 |
| 21:11.52 | Viking667 | two ops. |
| 21:11.53 | Shadowcat | your bean couter's wrong |
| 21:11.54 | EdibleText | BiRD, ok.. |
| 21:12.04 | Viking667 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.23 | Viking667 | and piernik just left, and amee2k just left |
| 21:12.23 | davascript | Shadowcat is that your area code |
| 21:12.46 | weasel00 | wols_ : The number of PCs in-use surpassed 500M units in 2000 and will reach 1.17B units by year-end 2008. Cumulative PC sales topped 1B units in 2002 and will top 2B in 2008. PCs in-use reached nearly 206M in the U.S. in 2002 and will surpass 269M in 2008. |
| 21:13.04 | Viking667 | Anyhow, I am actually here for a question. Has anyone done a deb of xscrabble? No-body seems to be able to find it in apt-get for stable/unstable. |
| 21:13.35 | wols_ | weasel00: from the gartner link of shipments in 2005 it seemed the server market was roughly 20billion |
| 21:13.40 | weasel00 | wols_ : granted this written in 2002. but its best thing thing i could find in a few seconds |
| 21:13.59 | wols_ | http://www.gartner.com/press_releases/asset_145643_11.html table1 |
| 21:14.34 | BiRD | edibletext: How can I manually set the gateway in route? |
| 21:14.36 | wols_ | weasel00: I'm a dumbass. HP was the biggest and total is 51billion. sorry |
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| 21:14.43 | wols_ | BiRD: yes |
| 21:14.46 | weasel00 | wols_ : was gonna say lol |
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| 21:14.50 | stew | BiRD: if you are using DHCP you can try "/etc/init.d/networking restart" which might fix things up. otherwise you'll have to show us your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:15.04 | wols_ | route add default gw <ip> |
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| 21:15.12 | BiRD | stew: brb |
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| 21:21.51 | BiRD | stew: wols_: EdibleText: thank you three very much it is up and running now I could not have done it without cha! |
| 21:24.10 | brammator | why ff 1.5.0.1 (installed to ~/firefox/) is ignoring some values from ~/.mozilla/firefox/[profile-dir]/prefs.js and deleting them from file? prefs.js wasn't edited manually. |
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| 21:26.37 | beered | is it possible to 'find' by creation date? |
| 21:26.51 | beered | ie. I want to find the most recent files first. |
| 21:26.52 | abrotman | man find ? |
| 21:27.05 | beered | abrotman: I don't have man installed yet. |
| 21:27.17 | beered | abrotman: just kidding. |
| 21:27.20 | Viking667 | oh. There are several sites with man pages. |
| 21:27.27 | beered | duh. |
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| 21:27.34 | Viking667 | yeesh. but yes. atime/ctime/mtime, I think |
| 21:27.41 | beered | why didn't I think of that... I know! I can't read. |
| 21:27.48 | abrotman | beered: TBH .. i don't see any "creation" in stat <file> |
| 21:27.59 | abrotman | beered: but i don't know if taht means anything |
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| 21:28.01 | phogg | -ctime? |
| 21:28.04 | Viking667 | abrotman: you won't generally. |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | nope |
| 21:28.12 | wols_ | abrotman: ctime should be it |
| 21:28.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.24 | abrotman | whatever "status" is |
| 21:28.43 | wols_ | doh |
| 21:28.51 | Viking667 | I've got Access,Modify,Change |
| 21:28.55 | beered | phogg: yep, that's it. Thanks. |
| 21:28.57 | abrotman | but not creation |
| 21:28.59 | azeem | anything more than frobbing the inode reference I think |
| 21:29.02 | abrotman | beered: -ctime is NOT it |
| 21:29.05 | phogg | beered: that is not it |
| 21:29.07 | Viking667 | Change is about as close as you'll get. |
| 21:29.25 | abrotman | wtf is the difference between "Change" and "Modify" ? |
| 21:29.32 | beered | phogg: find . * -ctime 24 worked out fo rme. |
| 21:29.42 | stew | *? |
| 21:30.14 | phogg | beered: it may have worked but it is not doing what you asked |
| 21:30.21 | likeafoox | How do I run newaliases to make a new aliases.db? |
| 21:30.28 | likeafoox | I can't seem to as normal user or root. |
| 21:30.46 | beered | This is an interesting problem. |
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| 21:32.14 | nkuttler | abrotman: iirc the manpage specifies it. modify = chmod etc, change = content change. or something like that. |
| 21:32.24 | Viking667 | ahhh. |
| 21:32.41 | Viking667 | so once you've changed the content, you've then lostthe original creation date. |
| 21:33.05 | nkuttler | man find or info find should know |
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| 21:33.18 | phogg | I think ctime will be create time also if the file has never been mv'd (or at least if the 'inode details' have never changed) |
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| 21:33.41 | Viking667 | phogg: which means you've never changed its size more than a block's worth. |
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| 21:33.58 | Viking667 | ... theoretically. |
| 21:34.00 | phogg | Viking667: most likely, yes |
| 21:34.06 | fugit_ | from info for find : There is no timestamp that indicates when a file was _created_. |
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| 21:34.24 | Viking667 | Anyhow people, has anyone seen xscrabble in ANY deb repository? |
| 21:34.26 | DangerDen | hey |
| 21:34.28 | beered | that's crazy. |
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| 21:34.44 | DangerDen | what's the best way to get modular X on debian? |
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| 21:35.05 | phogg | so is a lack of a create time just a tradition or is there some reason not to have it? If a newer filesystem added it, how could I tell? |
| 21:35.13 | chealer | DangerDen: on which release? |
| 21:35.24 | DangerDen | chealer: sarge 3.1 |
| 21:35.28 | Viking667 | phogg: that would be dependant upon the filesystem, I suspect. |
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| 21:35.39 | beered | so, there is no way to find files by modified date? Let's say I need to find any file that was modified in the last 8 hours. |
| 21:35.53 | Viking667 | beered: -mtime/-atime |
| 21:35.58 | chealer | DangerDen: I don't know...is there any reason you want modular X? |
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| 21:36.20 | stew | DangerDen: wait for it to hit unstable, and then wait for someone to backport it to sarge and upload it to backports.org |
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| 21:36.44 | fugit_ | beered: thought you were looking fore created time |
| 21:37.03 | DangerDen | stew: there isn't any way for me to get it now |
| 21:37.11 | azeem | it seems ext2 actually stores the creation time in the inodes |
| 21:37.18 | beered | fugit_: yes, I was but I guess that isn't possible to the modified time is the next best thing. |
| 21:37.28 | DangerDen | stew: it's in the experimental repository but when i try to apt-get it, it says package not found |
| 21:37.34 | azeem | regular Unix tools are not able to read/use it |
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| 21:37.43 | stew | DangerDen: you can't install those packages on stable anyway |
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| 21:38.13 | DangerDen | stew: i dont want to install them stable |
| 21:38.16 | weasel00 | !dhcpd |
| 21:38.28 | azeem | weasel00: please /msg the bot |
| 21:38.49 | weasel00 | my bad |
| 21:39.34 | DangerDen | does apt-get -t work with experimental packages? |
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| 21:40.27 | stew | DangerDen: experimental isn't supported here, and you really don't want to install experimental packages on a debian stable system |
| 21:40.40 | stew | DangerDen: they are not compiled with libs compatible with your system |
| 21:41.44 | DangerDen | stew: so you're not gonna help me? |
| 21:41.57 | stew | DangerDen: i'm trying the best i can |
| 21:42.13 | beered | Once upon the time I used apt-get to get a kernel 2.6.11 and 2.6.8. I've moved on since then, but now everytime I run 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' I get those kernel's and kernel headers. Is there a way to remove the old kernel from the apt database? |
| 21:42.15 | stew | DangerDen: the packages you are looking for don't exist |
| 21:42.31 | DangerDen | stew: what do you mean |
| 21:42.32 | azeem | DangerDen: why do you need 7.0 rather than 6.9? |
| 21:42.41 | phogg | seems like jfs has a create time... but still don't know how to access it |
| 21:42.45 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: Listen to stew. He knows what he's talking about. |
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| 21:43.06 | stew | DangerDen: there are no modular xorg packages for debian stable |
| 21:43.14 | DangerDen | stew: i know.. |
| 21:43.14 | Bucciarati | phogg: stat(1) ?? |
| 21:43.15 | stew | DangerDen: don't know how else to say it |
| 21:43.29 | DangerDen | stew: that's why i want experimental |
| 21:43.34 | phogg | Bucciarati: stat does not do it |
| 21:43.36 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: perhaps you should try using testing instead of stable. I think xorg may be in testing. |
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| 21:43.49 | dhuv | hello all |
| 21:43.51 | DangerDen | sgeigerbot: i checked and it isnt |
| 21:44.03 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: ...and the same is true for unstable? |
| 21:44.04 | DangerDen | not modular at least |
| 21:44.07 | stew | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 21:44.15 | azeem | DangerDen: what do you need modular for? |
| 21:44.27 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: if so, then just compile it. |
| 21:44.30 | fugit_ | beered: dpkg --list | grep for kernel number . Then you can remove the packages you not using |
| 21:44.31 | Viking667 | huh? hasn't stable GOT xorg? |
| 21:44.36 | azeem | Viking667: no |
| 21:44.44 | stew | DangerDen: as i said before, you can't safely install those packages on your system because they were compiled with incompatible libs, and experimental isn't supported here |
| 21:44.50 | DangerDen | sgeigerbot: i might as well go back to gentoo if im gonna do that =) |
| 21:44.50 | Viking667 | oh. |
| 21:44.56 | vin` | resiak: thunar's nice, rox-filer and xffm have improved, now for some themes. |
| 21:45.08 | beered | fugit_: thanks. |
| 21:45.16 | Bucciarati | phogg: perhaps you need jfs_debugfs |
| 21:45.19 | DangerDen | stew: where's experimental supported? |
| 21:45.25 | fugit_ | beered: just be careful when removing old kernel packages |
| 21:45.28 | stew | DangerDen: its not |
| 21:45.36 | Viking667 | darn. |
| 21:45.46 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: If you want your own, unusual configuration of a package (which implies that you know what you want...which is certainly not going to be the case with every package), it would be just fine to compile. Debian doesn't require you to compile everything...but it allows you to compile some things. |
| 21:45.47 | dhuv | I have a question about the courier-maildrop package. In the description it says only use this package if using in counjuction with sqwebmail package. Otherwise use the maildrop package. I would like to use somebody elses courier packages that has maildrop compiled with mysql support. They only have courier-maildrop and not the regular maildrop. Does anybody know if I should use that even if I dont use sqwebmail? |
| 21:46.19 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: No, you don't understand. gentoo makes you blindly compile every damn thing, even if you don't care about having a special configuration. |
| 21:47.00 | DangerDen | sgeigerbot: at least i could get modular x on it =P |
| 21:47.08 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: Debian saves your CPUs and disks a lot of work for most packages. When you really want to roll up your sleeves and configure something in an unusual way, though, you still have the option of compiling. |
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| 21:47.33 | ABaer | Hi |
| 21:47.33 | Viking667 | ah well. Is there a walkthrough for making a deb out of a provided set of source tarballs and patch? |
| 21:47.38 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: you can get modular x on debian, too. just use apt-get to download the source and then compile it however you want. |
| 21:47.56 | Viking667 | i.e. converting rpm's .spec file over to a series of debmake commands...? |
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| 21:48.05 | azeem | Viking667: this is package-specific |
| 21:48.06 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: You seem to be missing the point: Debian is nicer because you don't have to compile everything. |
| 21:48.19 | DangerDen | sgeigerbot: how would i use apt get to get the source |
| 21:48.21 | azeem | and .spec files don't help mcuh |
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| 21:48.23 | azeem | much |
| 21:48.24 | Bucciarati | phogg: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2006-February/045312.html i think there is not yet any tool available for that.. only jfs_debugfs |
| 21:48.29 | DangerDen | sgeigerbot: apt-get source xorg? |
| 21:48.32 | ABaer | How can i convert a time with this format "114382218" into a normal, readable format? |
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| 21:48.53 | azeem | DangerDen: repeat for everymodular source packaegs |
| 21:48.59 | azeem | there is only 100 of them |
| 21:49.05 | Viking667 | azeem: I understand that, I want to make something that's only a Suse RPM into a deb to drop into place on another machine. |
| 21:49.08 | stew | ABaer: perl -e "print scalar localtime 114382218" |
| 21:49.08 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: apt-get source <package> |
| 21:49.17 | sgeigerbot | DangerDen: I don't know which package you are trying to get. |
| 21:49.18 | azeem | Viking667: try alien then |
| 21:49.22 | DangerDen | k thanks |
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| 21:49.34 | Viking667 | .. alien converts pre-made RPMs, doesn't it? |
| 21:49.36 | ABaer | stew: thank you ! |
| 21:49.39 | sgeigerbot | !+apt-gentoo |
| 21:49.39 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02502.html |
| 21:49.39 | phogg | Bucciarati: That was the same page I'd seen. A strange omission since it seems lpgical that file creation time would be important often. |
| 21:49.41 | azeem | Viking667: yes |
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| 21:49.43 | fugit_ | Viking667: depending on the package you could use alien |
| 21:49.46 | arnbak | anyone been playing with touchscreens ? I have one working now, but the axis are inverted, what can be done to correct this. Have tried InvX/InvY in xfree86 config file |
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| 21:49.56 | Viking667 | hmmm. Was wondering about that. |
| 21:49.58 | azeem | phogg: ext2 stores it in the inode as well, as I said before |
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| 21:50.13 | azeem | Unix doesn't know about it, though |
| 21:50.18 | sgeigerbot | brb: Btw, that apt-gentoo factoid was intended for you. |
| 21:50.20 | phogg | azeem: Sorry, must have missed your message. How does one access it? |
| 21:50.35 | azeem | phogg: debuge2fs |
| 21:50.38 | ryan` | I'm using a PPP connection, and am wondering how to get pppd to detect link failue. The ISP blocks LCP Echo requests, so I can't use them to detect link status. |
| 21:50.42 | azeem | or what's it called |
| 21:50.46 | phogg | azeem: Ick. Well, thanks. |
| 21:50.48 | azeem | (I guess) |
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| 21:51.01 | Viking667 | ryan`: huh? How come you even get a connection? |
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| 21:51.10 | joeyjones | how cna i stop proftpd from ssh? |
| 21:51.15 | ryan` | Viking667, I turned off LCP echos |
| 21:51.21 | Viking667 | ryan`: m. |
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| 21:51.58 | ryan` | It's PPP over CDMA 1xEV-DO (Cellular) |
| 21:52.17 | fugit_ | Viking667: also can look into checkinstall if you don't want to use the rpm and build from source |
| 21:52.40 | ryan` | emulates a serial modem, a serial to usb adaptor, and a usb controler. |
| 21:52.44 | fugit_ | viking667: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/147 |
| 21:52.49 | Viking667 | Ah huh. Checkinstall's available in Ubuntu universe, isn't it? |
| 21:52.57 | Viking667 | cool. Thank you. |
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| 21:53.15 | ryan` | I build a faraday cage to cut off signal, and PPPD hasn't noticed the link's dead (it's been like half an hour) |
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| 21:54.10 | Viking667 | LOL! |
| 21:54.10 | ryan` | yeah |
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| 21:54.12 | ryan` | my faraday cage is crappy, though, so i also had to stick it in a filing cabenat. |
| 21:54.18 | ryan` | too close to the cellular tower. |
| 21:54.28 | Viking667 | mmmmm. |
| 21:54.34 | beered | ratm`: why do you have a faraday cage? |
| 21:54.44 | Viking667 | Sticking it in a microwave not work well enough? |
| 21:55.05 | Viking667 | NOOO! Don't power it UP!!... shit, too late.. |
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| 21:55.07 | hellangel`unix | hey guys :) |
| 21:55.15 | emiliano_ | helo |
| 21:55.15 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
| 21:55.21 | ryan` | Viking667, I can't borrow the microwave over for that. |
| 21:55.24 | Aronofsky | hi , i got a question, i installed 2.6 kernel by apt but i was wondering what happened when you do upgrade , does it upgrade the kernel or install the new one in addition to the current one ? |
| 21:55.32 | ryan` | but anyway. |
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| 21:55.42 | ryan` | how to make pppd notice the dead link. |
| 21:55.42 | beered | Aronofsky: it installs the new one. |
| 21:56.05 | Viking667 | ah. Pity, that. Mind you, I stuck my cellphone into the microwave (unpowered, of course) but it still thinks there's signal. Not MUCH, but signal nonetheless. |
| 21:56.30 | Aronofsky | beered , its automatic when you do upgrade ? |
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| 21:57.24 | beered | Aronofsky: yes. you'll see two kernel options when you boot next time. |
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| 21:57.29 | wols_ | Viking667: can you call your cell while it's inside? |
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| 21:57.56 | wols_ | and a faraday cage needs have have smaller apertures in the mesh/cage than wavelength used iirc |
| 21:58.01 | Aronofsky | beered, and is there a way to install the old one ? |
| 21:58.15 | wols_ | e.g if you lock it into a solid metalbox it shouldn't be reachable anymore |
| 21:58.20 | beered | Aronofsky: the old kernel is still there unless you removed it. |
| 21:58.43 | Aronofsky | beered, yes but how can i remove it ? |
| 21:58.45 | hellangel`unix | i have a little question.. how do i setup users? =) |
| 21:59.01 | Aronofsky | hellangel`unix, what do you mean ? |
| 21:59.04 | Viking667 | wols_: probably not... never tried that. How the hell would I answer it? |
| 21:59.08 | omura | !list |
| 21:59.08 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to omura@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 21:59.12 | beered | hellangel`unix: useradd |
| 21:59.17 | hellangel`unix | ah |
| 21:59.17 | rilatto | hi there; I've to set the permbits of /dev/hdc each time I sart up the system. How can I set permbits after /dev/ is set up? (kernel 2.6) |
| 21:59.21 | hellangel`unix | thx beered |
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| 21:59.53 | beered | Aronofsky: apt-get remove <kernel>. don't do this unless you are familiar with this process. |
| 21:59.53 | Vinland | the average person is a complete moron. |
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| 22:00.57 | DJAmp | anyone in here running modular x (7.0) on debian? |
| 22:01.14 | azeem | DJAmp: why? |
| 22:01.25 | stew | DJAmp: stop |
| 22:01.26 | Aronofsky | beered, but for the 2.6 there are no different packages , only the package kernel-image-2.6-386 so there is no way to difference kernel version ? |
| 22:01.28 | azeem | what is so great about modular anyway? |
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| 22:01.40 | azeem | if you're not building or hacking it yourself, that is |
| 22:01.43 | hellangel`unix | beered, and how can i change the users rights? |
| 22:01.45 | stew | azeem: this is grapefruit-cs that was banned by don then changed nick, banned by don again, now he's back again |
| 22:01.57 | azeem | DJAmp? |
| 22:02.04 | DJAmp | ? |
| 22:02.07 | Aronofsky | hellangel`unix, chmod on dir or files |
| 22:02.10 | beered | Aronofsky: packages and kernels are two different things. |
| 22:02.14 | DJAmp | who's don and grape? |
| 22:02.16 | stew | azeem: yes, the one who keeps asking about install experimental xorg onto stable |
| 22:02.20 | beered | hellangel`unix: usermod |
| 22:02.34 | stew | DJAmp [n=grapefru@c-24-12-190-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net |
| 22:02.35 | Aronofsky | beered, im talking about packaged kernels : kernel-image-2.6-386 |
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| 22:03.03 | BiRD | seems airsnort is working fine but I get a repeating error message in konsole "/sbin/wlanctl-ng no such file or directory" |
| 22:03.03 | stew | DJAmp: don is dondelelcaro, the op that has twice now decided you were wasting our time |
| 22:03.14 | beered | Aronofsky: uname -a |
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| 22:03.33 | DJAmp | hey stew, i dont give a fuck what dondelelcaro thinks |
| 22:03.44 | stew | DJAmp: that's unfortunate for you |
| 22:03.55 | DJAmp | and i dont give a fuck if i get banned from this channel...again |
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| 22:04.08 | beered | DJAmp: why are you here then? |
| 22:04.15 | DJAmp | its fun for the time being |
| 22:04.17 | beered | DJAmp: again. |
| 22:04.17 | BiRD | !slap DJAmp |
| 22:04.30 | DJAmp | !slap BiRD |
| 22:04.58 | BiRD | !botsnacks |
| 22:04.58 | dpkg | BiRD: thanks |
| 22:05.06 | Aronofsky | beered, thats not my question , the problem is that I install kernel 2.6 by doin apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 , so now i got 2.6.15 , but if i do an upgrade and it upgrade to 2.16 how can I uninstall 2.15 ? |
| 22:05.07 | stew | DJAmp: please save everyone trouble and just move along then |
| 22:05.08 | wols_ | BiRD: ignore him please |
| 22:05.09 | XSoul | hello team . |
| 22:05.13 | XSoul | I don't know what happen |
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| 22:05.18 | XSoul | but I use crypted swap artition |
| 22:05.21 | XSoul | partition* and |
| 22:05.32 | DJAmp | XSoul: please leave |
| 22:05.35 | wols_ | stew: ignore him and if he makes trouble on his own I'm sure the ops will remove him |
| 22:05.36 | XSoul | the both ways cryptsetup and cryptsetup luks activate |
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| 22:05.42 | XSoul | <DJAmp> ? what ? |
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| 22:06.03 | BiRD | airsnort /sbin/wlanctl-ng no such file or directory.... any suggestions? |
| 22:06.06 | tiago | hello, i have been having issues to fetch binaries/update my packages for MIPS |
| 22:06.07 | wols_ | XSoul: he's just a angry kid since he was banned. ignore what he says |
| 22:06.09 | tiago | checking the website and seems like the tree is not there anymore -- which would explain the 404 when apt-get update |
| 22:06.28 | a123 | Hi, how can I rescue my Sarge installation ? |
| 22:06.31 | Viking667 | lol. Time you found another mirror, then? |
| 22:06.31 | tiago | anyone could give me a tip about what's may be going on? |
| 22:06.31 | XSoul | okay . then . i swapon the dev/mapper/swap in the both ways generated |
| 22:06.38 | DJAmp | wols_: you are cool as fuck |
| 22:06.40 | Viking667 | I know how that feels. |
| 22:06.41 | XSoul | but i don't use it . |
| 22:06.41 | joeyjones | how do i check hard drive space? |
| 22:06.43 | bernie | hello, anyone can help me http://pastebin.com/631600 |
| 22:06.45 | unity | a123, you gotta be a bit more specific than that |
| 22:06.51 | Viking667 | df |
| 22:06.54 | XSoul | for example 192 ram and 187 188 used and all swap is free |
| 22:07.01 | unity | joeyjones, df -h |
| 22:07.08 | tiago | Viking667: i guess, maybe i just was not expecting it from the main mirror? ;-) |
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| 22:07.14 | XSoul | i compile the kernel again and the same due to compiling process 188 max used |
| 22:07.21 | wols_ | XSoul: you need to load stuff that uses all your ram before you can test it |
| 22:07.22 | XSoul | this is not normal . any ideas please ? |
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| 22:07.29 | Viking667 | joeyjones: the -h isn't mandatory, just useful. |
| 22:07.35 | Viking667 | tiago: wow. |
| 22:07.40 | XSoul | hmm but the ram is full . and compilin process is very very slow . |
| 22:07.47 | wols_ | XSoul: to test it, use so much memory that the kernel gets OOM errors |
| 22:07.47 | joeyjones | i noticed |
| 22:07.48 | Viking667 | no mips stuff whatsoever? They could have moved it. |
| 22:07.52 | wols_ | try to provoke those |
| 22:07.54 | joeyjones | but it really is manditory |
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| 22:08.10 | Viking667 | joeyjones: huh? no. |
| 22:08.15 | XSoul | <wols_> i think that i use it .. |
| 22:08.21 | joeyjones | it's so ugly without it |
| 22:08.23 | wols_ | think != know |
| 22:08.33 | azeem | XSoul: please don't use angle brackets when addressing people |
| 22:08.34 | wols_ | anything that's not used for programs right now is always diskcache |
| 22:08.35 | XSoul | the samba service is to slow too because ram is full but kernel don't use it |
| 22:08.42 | DJAmp | wols_: think!=wols_ |
| 22:08.43 | Viking667 | joeyjones: doesn't mean it doesn't work though. |
| 22:08.44 | Aronofsky | beered , do u know what i mean ? |
| 22:08.47 | azeem | it looks like you're quoting them on IRC |
| 22:08.47 | wols_ | what probably happens is you have a lot of diskcache |
| 22:08.50 | bla1 | hi guys, is there any ati user here, who is up to help me with installing ati drivers, i like spent 2 days and i am still hurting my eyes WITH 60hZ!!! |
| 22:09.00 | XSoul | azeem : ok . just select and paste from my client |
| 22:09.18 | azeem | XSoul: use tab completion, rather |
| 22:09.23 | DJAmp | bla1: PM stew about that |
| 22:09.30 | wols_ | xorian`: if memory were really "full" it would use the full 192MB not just 188 |
| 22:09.30 | gnufan | bernie: the x11-common conflicts and replaces with the package -- for goodness sake use "apt" to do this sort of thing |
| 22:09.31 | bla1 | ok, thx |
| 22:09.39 | stew | bla1: don't DJAmp is just trolling |
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| 22:09.48 | wols_ | bla1: what aticard? |
| 22:09.48 | lehmann | hi folks |
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| 22:10.24 | wols_ | bla1: if it's one of the new x1*** series: there are no drivres |
| 22:10.27 | azeem | DJAmp: please play along nicely |
| 22:10.35 | XSoul | any ideas abut not used swap ? |
| 22:10.37 | lehmann | i have a compiled binary, is it possible to find out with which options the ./configure script has been run? |
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| 22:10.41 | azeem | DJAmp: you got 10 minutes to think about it, then I'll voice you again |
| 22:10.46 | bernie | gnufan: apt don't solve the pb : http://pastebin.com/631612 |
| 22:10.49 | azeem | lehmann: no |
| 22:10.50 | bla1 | wols_: it isnt one of new X, priv plz >_< |
| 22:10.55 | lehmann | damned! |
| 22:10.56 | wols_ | XSoul: what does "free" say |
| 22:10.58 | azeem | lehmann: at least not in general |
| 22:11.04 | wols_ | bla1: no "priv" here in #debian |
| 22:11.09 | bla1 | ah ok |
| 22:11.10 | azeem | lehmann: you can get some ideas from ldd <binary> |
| 22:11.10 | bla1 | :) |
| 22:11.21 | azeem | but that is just about the libraries it is using |
| 22:11.22 | gnufan | bernie: what the hell are you using "-f" for? |
| 22:11.27 | lehmann | ok thanks azeem |
| 22:11.33 | bla1 | wols_: i got 9600xt, any idea how to set it up? |
| 22:11.42 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 22:11.42 | dpkg | well, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 22:11.43 | evaded | Hi happy hackers ;-) Is it posssible to give more that one IP to an network card? |
| 22:11.45 | XSoul | wols : free say that the swap is not sued |
| 22:11.47 | a123 | unity, How Can I rescue my installation ? I had installed windows and the mbr was lost. I don´t know how to make grub back! |
| 22:11.48 | XSoul | used* .. 0 |
| 22:11.48 | wols_ | !ati drivers |
| 22:11.49 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 22:11.50 | stew | bla1: do you need 3d support? |
| 22:11.52 | bernie | gnufan: because the install don't have work well, and I try to solve the pb |
| 22:12.01 | wols_ | XSoul: i didn't ask that. I asked if free reports any swap |
| 22:12.13 | wols_ | the number under "total" |
| 22:12.16 | wols_ | for swap that is |
| 22:12.22 | XSoul | yes sure |
| 22:12.27 | gnufan | bernie: so start with "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" does that work? |
| 22:12.32 | telpoch | ok... i'm a bit lost... i used apt-get to get kernel source, and used the config of the current image i have installed, making no changes, i create a deb package (make-kpkg) and i install it, well, i reboot and get a kernel panic, unable to mount root (it doesnt find /dev/hda2)... what am i missing? |
| 22:12.40 | gnufan | bernie: or even "dist-upgrade" |
| 22:12.58 | XSoul | wols_ yes Swap: 487340 0 487340 |
| 22:13.05 | wols_ | XSoul: so you have swap |
| 22:13.21 | bernie | gnufan: apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade say me to use -f : "E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f." |
| 22:13.21 | XSoul | yes . maked with mkswap and swapon /dev/mapper/swap |
| 22:13.30 | wols_ | your buffers/cache line is probably very high right? |
| 22:13.34 | bla1 | wols_: problem is i used the same site u proced me to, but just doesnt work, i guess i am mistaking somewhere with compiling kernel, i got msg like there is no candidate to install ur kernel |
| 22:13.38 | evaded | I know that we need an IP for earch network card, but i think it's impossible to give more that one IP to an network card. Like i talk with someone, he say me and ask me how to give 16 IP's to Debian |
| 22:13.46 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 22:13.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:13.55 | tiago | humm, maybe i am missing something here, but here it goes: |
| 22:13.56 | tiago | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 22:13.57 | tiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.57 | tiago | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages |
| 22:13.57 | tiago | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.01 | XSoul | wols_ you mean /proc/swaps ? |
| 22:14.15 | stew | bla1: you only need to bother with that if you need accellerated 3d support, otherwise you can just use the free drivers |
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| 22:14.16 | XSoul | wols : priority -4 |
| 22:14.33 | unity | a123, i don't know much about grub, but you might wanna /msg dpkg grub |
| 22:14.33 | wols_ | bla1: if you have the kernel and the kernel-headers for it it will work. just use the "generic" source package I guess |
| 22:14.38 | bla1 | stew: i just want more then 60hz thats all, what to do ? |
| 22:14.45 | unity | a123, assuming you have your nick registered |
| 22:14.47 | wols_ | XSoul: no I meant free and its output only |
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| 22:15.01 | gnufan | bernie: what are the unmet dependedencies -- I suspect you can progress it by backing up the XF86Config file, and just removing XF86 packages, and then installing Xorg.. What is it in "Unstable" ? |
| 22:15.12 | stew | bla1: what version of debian / x? |
| 22:15.17 | stew | bla1: xfree? xorg? |
| 22:15.25 | XSoul | wols_ : the output say : free |
| 22:15.25 | XSoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.25 | XSoul | Mem: 191240 187564 3676 0 388 122444 |
| 22:15.25 | XSoul | -/+ buffers/cache: 64732 126508 |
| 22:15.25 | XSoul | Swap: 487340 0 487340 |
| 22:15.25 | bla1 | wols_: xfree 4.3.0-1 |
| 22:15.25 | bernie | gnufan: yep, it's an unstable |
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| 22:15.39 | stew | !drxx bla1 |
| 22:15.39 | dpkg | bla1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:15.39 | bernie | gnufan: I will try to remove xfree86 |
| 22:15.54 | bla1 | stew: kernel 2.6.12 |
| 22:15.57 | stew | bla1: if you have touched the conf file by hand the xmd5 part is important, when you reconfigure choose ati |
| 22:16.09 | stew | bla1: what kind of monitor is it? |
| 22:16.15 | stew | bla1: its not an lcd, is it? |
| 22:16.22 | bla1 | stew: sam sync master 997df |
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| 22:16.37 | gnufan | bernie: of course it is possible unstable isn't working today -- it happens. But my Xorg is fine in Sid this end. |
| 22:16.47 | siezer | is there a channel on freenode for the linux-ha.org stuff? heartbeat and drbd and the like? |
| 22:16.49 | stew | bla1: ok, then just make sure you try to answer the stuff in the monitors part of dpkg-reconfigure as accurately as possible |
| 22:16.56 | siezer | oh there it is. |
| 22:17.17 | bla1 | stew: i have set ver and hor refresh rate, and in control panel its written i am using 85hz, but on monitor panel i see 60hz |
| 22:17.24 | ryushe | what's the recommended way of installing ATI drivers for kernel 2.6.8 on a very fresh install? |
| 22:17.36 | wols_ | !ati drivers |
| 22:17.38 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 22:17.43 | XSoul | wols_ maybe I don't understand the question |
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| 22:18.03 | ryushe | thank you wols_ :) |
| 22:18.07 | stew | bla1: what does xrandr or xdpyifo say your refresh rate is? |
| 22:18.18 | stew | ryushe: do you need accellerated 3d support? |
| 22:18.26 | bernie | gnufan: ok thx, can I upgrade unstable to stable ? |
| 22:18.31 | wols_ | XSoul: your output of free showed that you have more than 64MB "free" memory. it just happens to be used for diskcache currently. which is why no swap is needed |
| 22:18.34 | bla1 | stew: what is xrandr or xdpyifo? |
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| 22:18.40 | azeem | oh |
| 22:18.44 | stew | ryushe: that method is only recommended if you need accellerated 3d support for a > radeon 9200 |
| 22:18.49 | azeem | eh, EWIN |
| 22:18.54 | wols_ | bla1: at least xpdyinfo is a program you can run |
| 22:19.04 | stew | bla1: xrandr and xdpyinfo are both programs which would tell you what refresh rate your ati driver thinks its putting out |
| 22:19.05 | gnufan | bernie: unstable is newer than stable - so no -- you can't downgrade either -- at least not reliably |
| 22:19.17 | ryushe | stew > I might yes |
| 22:19.18 | bla1 | stew: how to run it? |
| 22:19.18 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:19.18 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 22:19.26 | bernie | gnufan: ok |
| 22:19.28 | ryushe | and it's for an X550 |
| 22:19.32 | Serial | !es |
| 22:19.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:19.36 | wols_ | tarzeau: you gotta work on your addiction m8 |
| 22:19.43 | gnufan | bernie: is this a new install? |
| 22:19.46 | XSoul | wols_ .. ahm you mean that my machine don't need it . but when I overload it with kernel compilation the result is the same . the process is too slow but the swap is not used . i'm confised |
| 22:19.49 | bernie | gnufan: yep |
| 22:19.50 | stew | bla1: start x, start a terminal, type "xrandr" |
| 22:19.53 | tarzeau | wols_: heh hey, i've been out whole night, right after work |
| 22:20.07 | tarzeau | wols_: i'm sure there's at least 8 hours between my last !popcon and the one now |
| 22:20.20 | wols_ | XSoul: if linux runs out of memory (e.g. when it can't use the swap). it will kill processes. it won't just get "slower" |
| 22:20.23 | tarzeau | wols_: do you really want me to not type it in anymore? |
| 22:20.26 | bla1 | stew: i am right back, i go to check it out |
| 22:20.29 | gnufan | bernie: there is a lot to be said for starting with stable -- just reinstall..... keep the XF86Config if it works mind ;) |
| 22:20.30 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:20.30 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:20.38 | wols_ | tarzeau: I rahter want to know _why_ you do it :) |
| 22:20.42 | stew | hmm, maybe xdpyinfo doesn't have refresh rate? |
| 22:20.57 | tarzeau | wols_: so people know it, and do it |
| 22:20.58 | hellangel`unix | dpkg, lol :) |
| 22:20.59 | bernie | gnufan: oki |
| 22:20.59 | dpkg | hellangel`unix: (: Yeah I can be funny, right? :) |
| 22:21.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn where have you been, the fuck? |
| 22:21.04 | abrotman | wols_: popcon is useful for figuring out what software goes on which CDs .. and to figure out which ports/architectures to support |
| 22:21.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: in jail |
| 22:21.10 | hellangel`unix | dpkg, oh yeah you can |
| 22:21.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: bitch. i've wanted to tell you something |
| 22:21.18 | XSoul | wols_ : yes this sound correct .. wil run ops kill .. hmm . confused again. .. no the kernel don't kill the process this is true |
| 22:21.20 | abrotman | and that was? |
| 22:21.39 | wols_ | abrotman: I know what popcon is. I wanna know why you constantly ask the bot about you. and you know what I wanted to know so don't divert |
| 22:21.39 | Serial | what name java package debian (my ingles poor) |
| 22:21.57 | stew | Serial: apt-cache showpkg java-runtime will list them |
| 22:21.58 | wols_ | !info jdk |
| 22:21.59 | XSoul | wols_ : but if the kernel si build for 40 45 min ot this machine . now is builded for 2h .. it is slowed |
| 22:22.05 | abrotman | wols_: i ask the bot about me ? |
| 22:22.12 | Serial | jr2? |
| 22:22.23 | abrotman | wols_: i'm a cow? |
| 22:22.25 | Serial | i not remember |
| 22:22.27 | wols_ | abrotman: sorry. brainfart of me like usual. I meant tarzeau of course |
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| 22:22.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: say moo |
| 22:22.48 | wols_ | abrotman: I usually think of people on the intarweb as dogs. but whatever floats your boat I guess |
| 22:22.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:23.08 | gnufan | !tell serial about install java |
| 22:23.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: so what did you want to tell me? |
| 22:23.25 | stew | Serial: which version of debian are you running? |
| 22:23.29 | Serial | I wish exec limewire ( limewire ineed package java) Yes? |
| 22:23.30 | tarzeau | wols_: i do it because all 8 hours different people read here |
| 22:23.38 | wols_ | tarzeau: and what did you want to tell ME? :) |
| 22:23.51 | tarzeau | wols_: and i'm fixatedly sure some people hear it the first time |
| 22:24.04 | tarzeau | wols_: nothing. what do you want to know? my phone number? only for women... |
| 22:24.04 | abrotman | heh .. i see enemylines7 in new .. i played it .. it's fun for about .. 20 seconds |
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| 22:24.26 | wols_ | abrotman: linkage? |
| 22:24.38 | kr0ddn | abrotman: try playing holy wars 2 :) |
| 22:24.39 | Serial | ????¿¿¿¿¿¿????? |
| 22:24.44 | abrotman | wols_: http://happypenguin.org/show?enemy%20lines%207 |
| 22:24.50 | XSoul | ll |
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| 22:24.55 | XSoul | ops .. sorry |
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| 22:25.10 | stew | Serial: i don't know if limewire will run with the java in debian, it may require you install java from sun, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 22:25.18 | wols_ | single player and fps on linux. no good combo :) |
| 22:25.20 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella ? |
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| 22:25.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: got a sponsor? |
| 22:25.39 | abrotman | wols_: it's more like .. missle command .. but with planes .. and in 3d .. and not nearly as much fun |
| 22:25.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: for what? |
| 22:25.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: for briquolo |
| 22:25.57 | wols_ | just read the freshmeat entry that says fps |
| 22:26.03 | kr0ddn | java and debian is like cowboay and indians... |
| 22:26.13 | bla1 | stew, wols_: i have run xrandr, 0 1280 x 1024 ( 452mm x 361mm ) *86 |
| 22:26.13 | bla1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.13 | bla1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.13 | bla1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.13 | bla1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:26.18 | wols_ | only FPS I played longer was/is enemy territory |
| 22:26.22 | live | hola |
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| 22:26.31 | bla1 | oops |
| 22:26.40 | live | alguien que hable español |
| 22:26.45 | wols_ | !es |
| 22:26.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:26.54 | Serial | ok , thanksç |
| 22:26.54 | kr0ddn | hehe |
| 22:27.00 | Serial | live yo |
| 22:27.01 | Serial | bro :P |
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| 22:27.03 | Serial | what ups |
| 22:27.07 | stew | bla1: so that thinks that you are running at 86 hz |
| 22:27.29 | bla1 | stew: on monitor panel i can see its 59... |
| 22:28.11 | bla1 | stew: and i can recognize its not more then 60, plus i cant change resolutions at all, screen get wild when i try to |
| 22:28.20 | stew | bla1: odd. i dunno then, have you tried this monitor/card combination with any other os/livecd/whatever? |
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| 22:29.31 | ecdemo | can gnome or kde or x in general (if applicable) use jack as audio connectors |
| 22:29.49 | ecdemo | in the same functionality as say esound |
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| 22:30.14 | bla1 | stew: its ati problem, i have changed to nvidia and i got 100hz with no drivers at all, debain recongized card, with ati it just doesnt work |
| 22:30.23 | joey__ | what is the name of the package required before compiling your own kernel? |
| 22:30.35 | wols_ | kernel-package |
| 22:30.36 | ecdemo | build-essential |
| 22:30.36 | joey__ | essientials or something |
| 22:30.40 | bla1 | stew: i need to install it, but i need some good guide since i am pretty newb with linux |
| 22:30.45 | joey__ | okay, thanks |
| 22:30.46 | wols_ | but you also need build-essential and ncurses5-dev |
| 22:30.50 | ecdemo | and kernel-package |
| 22:31.11 | wols_ | bla1: just tell us about the exact error then which you get |
| 22:31.22 | ecdemo | or you need the x client libs and I think qt and kde libs to make xconfig |
| 22:31.23 | wols_ | and perhaps what you did to get the error |
| 22:31.44 | bla1 | wols_: ok, gimme me min |
| 22:31.48 | stew | wols_: his server appears to be configured correctly, and xrandr reports its a 86hz, but his monitor reports that its actually only putting out 60hz |
| 22:31.51 | ecdemo | but make menuconfig, you need said ncurses stuff |
| 22:32.17 | wols_ | stew: yes. and I trust the monitor there more than xrandr |
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| 22:33.27 | nkuttler | ecdemo: did you check if esd or arts can connect to jack? it's probably easier although timing could be problematic. |
| 22:33.55 | unity | is the alsamixer supposed to be reset each time i turn on my comp? |
| 22:33.59 | bla1 | wols_: in tutorial u provided me with says 1st to type "apt-get install kernel-source-2.x.y" and when i do that i got msg "E: Package kernel-source-2.6.12 has no installation candidat" |
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| 22:34.28 | bla1 | wols_: says that kernle sourcers isnt avaible |
| 22:34.43 | Ace_Wolf | need help for setting my network with 16 ip static like eth0 eth0:1 eth0:2 eth0:3 ext |
| 22:34.49 | telpoch | what do i need to do to make a bootable kernel? i just can't get it to actually mount root |
| 22:35.15 | liable | bla1: its linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 22:35.36 | liable | bla1: use apt-cache search when you cant find something.. |
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| 22:36.16 | bla1 | liable: "apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.12" thats what i typed ... and i got msg it isnt avaible |
| 22:36.31 | liable | bla1: its linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 22:36.32 | wols_ | bla1: all you need is kernel and kernel-headers. NOT source |
| 22:36.40 | stew | 2.6.12 was removed iirc |
| 22:36.42 | Serial | i need lines sources debian sid please |
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| 22:37.06 | Serial | officiall |
| 22:37.07 | bla1 | wols_: liable: should i dl that kernel files from somewhere or i allready got it ? |
| 22:37.11 | stew | and 2.6.12 was compiled with gcc4 and he's on sarge |
| 22:37.17 | k-man_ | how can i find out what version of a particular app is in unstable? |
| 22:37.26 | wols_ | bla1: get a new kernel that's still in debian I guess |
| 22:37.31 | stew | k-man_: http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 22:37.41 | wols_ | k-man_: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:37.47 | k-man_ | thanks |
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| 22:37.51 | Roey | hi |
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| 22:38.01 | Roey | how do I find out which files are affected by bad blocks on an XFS volume?? |
| 22:38.11 | kurumin | \j apodi |
| 22:38.18 | kurumin | \j #apodi |
| 22:38.28 | stew | kurumin: you want / not \ |
| 22:38.31 | wols_ | kurumin: use a slash instead of a backslash |
| 22:38.54 | bla1 | liable: i tried with "apt-get install LINUX-source-2.6.12" but same problems appeir, i dont understand what apt-get do, should i dl that file from somewhere and then do "apt-get" or what? |
| 22:39.13 | stew | bla1: 2.6.12 was removed from debian afaik |
| 22:39.15 | wols_ | bla1: stew already told you that 2.6.12 was removed. get a new kernel |
| 22:39.44 | stew | bla1: you run debian stable aka sarge, right? |
| 22:39.48 | bla1 | wols_: ah ok, how to get new one, i need new linux, or i can just install some files? |
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| 22:40.02 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:40.02 | dpkg | i heard qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
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| 22:40.15 | stew | bla1: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: and Candidate: ? |
| 22:40.20 | wols_ | bla1: the same way you install anything else: ap |
| 22:40.29 | stew | wols_: that's not true |
| 22:40.33 | wols_ | *apt |
| 22:40.44 | wols_ | stew: if he installs a debian kernel: sure |
| 22:40.47 | stew | wols_: no |
| 22:40.50 | bla1 | stew: sec to try |
| 22:40.52 | stew | wols_: not in this case |
| 22:41.02 | wols_ | stew: why? how do you install a debian kernel? |
| 22:41.47 | stew | wols_: it appears he's on stable, if you have him install a newer kernel from testing, he won't be able to follow the ati howto you pointed him to becuase the modules his gcc3 compile won't work in his gcc4 compiled kernel |
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| 22:42.01 | bla1 | stew: libc6: Installed: 2.3.5-3 Candidate: 2.3.5-3 Version Table: *** 2.3.5-3 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:42.07 | stew | nevermind |
| 22:42.08 | wols_ | stew: I didn't say anything about testing. just to install a kernel |
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| 22:42.23 | somePriest | Does the VIM debian package extend VIM by allowing a command to switch colour schemes without knowing the names? |
| 22:42.29 | pdbogen | Is it possible to tell what's responsible for driving a load average up? |
| 22:42.31 | stew | wols_: you told him to get a newer one than 2.6.12, but he's not on stable, so nm |
| 22:42.38 | stew | bla1: why are you running xfree on stable? |
| 22:42.43 | stew | err testing |
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| 22:43.02 | wols_ | stew: oops. I didn't say "newer", I said "new" |
| 22:43.08 | Roey | hi |
| 22:43.12 | bla1 | stew: i dont know what stable.. i just dled knoppix live, and installed debian from it |
| 22:43.25 | stew | ugh |
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| 22:43.30 | stew | bla1: you are in the wrong channel |
| 22:43.41 | stew | no wonder |
| 22:43.50 | bla1 | stew: why? dont get it... |
| 22:43.51 | tarzeau | bla1: using debootstrap? |
| 22:43.57 | tarzeau | stew: not if he used debootstrap |
| 22:44.02 | wols_ | proving again why asking help in #debian for another "debian based" distro is a very very stupid thing to do |
| 22:44.05 | tarzeau | bla1: what did you install debian or knoppix? |
| 22:44.08 | Roey | I have a few bad blocks on my drive and I want to know which files are affected. I have the /var/log/messages output; how can I calculate the blocknum from this in order to feed it into xfs_bmap? http://rafb.net/paste/results/d9ViDx19.html |
| 22:44.11 | wols_ | tarzeau: do you believe that? |
| 22:44.12 | tarzeau | stew: debian kernels suck sometimes |
| 22:44.12 | bla1 | tarzeau: debian |
| 22:44.16 | tarzeau | wols_: sometimes |
| 22:44.20 | tarzeau | bla1: using debootstrap or how? |
| 22:44.25 | stew | bla1: you installed it with debootstrap or knx-hdinstall or whatever? |
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| 22:45.02 | bla1 | stew: what is debootstrat i used "sudo knoppix-installer" on live knoppix cd, and choosed debian to install |
| 22:45.07 | tarzeau | wols_: hahah, ok |
| 22:45.10 | tarzeau | bla1: that's not debian |
| 22:45.17 | tarzeau | bla1: you have knoppix , that's #knoppix |
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| 22:45.45 | wols_ | tarzeau: anyone who installes debian from knoppix via debootrstrap wouldn't use knoppix for this in the first place :) |
| 22:45.51 | wols_ | way too complicated for the typical user |
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| 22:46.01 | stew | wols_: hey, i've done it! :) |
| 22:46.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: today i've had fun with a female, very fun :) |
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| 22:46.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's nice .. i hope you gave her a gift |
| 22:46.10 | tarzeau | wols_: yes they would |
| 22:46.18 | tarzeau | wols_: debian kernels don't work on some hardware |
| 22:46.22 | bla1 | ooops, ok, i didint know, thx anyway |
| 22:46.22 | wols_ | stew: you're "special". and you don't come here asking noob questions (hopefully) :P |
| 22:46.32 | tarzeau | wols_: there is a very damn well reason todo exactly that. pity but true |
| 22:46.41 | tarzeau | bla1: that's fine, now you know |
| 22:46.53 | wols_ | tarzeau: I'd use the 2.6.15 sarge installed or made my own sarge bootfloppies with newer kernel |
| 22:47.03 | wols_ | tarzeau: but people who do that usually have a bit more clue |
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| 22:47.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: ahmm... you don't want to know the details, hehe |
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| 22:47.18 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:47.20 | tarzeau | wols_: even the kmuto didn't work with my harddisk |
| 22:47.26 | tarzeau | wols_: so no, that would not have worked |
| 22:47.27 | wols_ | kmuto? |
| 22:47.32 | bla1 | tarzeau: is "real" debian hard to install? will my card work on it? |
| 22:47.36 | tarzeau | wols_: the 2.6.15 sarge is kmuto |
| 22:47.40 | pdbogen | bla1: No, maybe. |
| 22:47.43 | tarzeau | bla1: what card is it? no it's easy |
| 22:47.49 | wols_ | and why harddisk? shouldn't it be controller that's the culprit? |
| 22:48.12 | bla1 | tarzeau: 9600xt |
| 22:48.23 | wols_ | bla1: it's not as shiny and colorful as knoppix. but it'S not hard imho |
| 22:48.24 | tarzeau | bla1: doesn't say me anthing. network card? who produced it? |
| 22:48.31 | wols_ | tarzeau: ati |
| 22:48.36 | pdbogen | tarzeau : Video card. |
| 22:48.40 | tarzeau | wols_: i find the shiny and colorful very confusing |
| 22:48.57 | tarzeau | wols_: it'll very probably work with vesa |
| 22:48.57 | wols_ | bla1: any linux basically will work with that card. but you need your kernel headers, the ones that your kernel was compiled with |
| 22:48.59 | bla1 | tarzeau: club 3d ati radeon 9600 xt |
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| 22:49.06 | tarzeau | fancy names |
| 22:49.11 | wols_ | tarzeau: it will work with otherdrivers too |
| 22:49.25 | tarzeau | what's next? turbo 3d night club ati 3000 suck hard |
| 22:49.30 | wols_ | bla1: for linux always only look at the chipnames. the brand names are irrelevant |
| 22:49.41 | wols_ | tarzeau: that's already been here and gone again |
| 22:49.43 | jade | to start up a server at boot time, do i only need to copy it to /etc/init.d/ subdir? |
| 22:49.45 | pdbogen | bla1: It'll work with the FOSS 'radeon' driver, or you can use the fglrx from ATI, but they're more difficult to set up. |
| 22:49.47 | tarzeau | wols_: i don't care. some ati shit and their non-free ass driver crashed a computer at work. 3 times |
| 22:49.53 | tarzeau | wols_: fucking shit of ati |
| 22:49.53 | wols_ | and you forgot "platinum" "extreme" and a shitload of others |
| 22:50.12 | wols_ | nivida is slightly better but not much. scylla and charybdis there... |
| 22:50.17 | tarzeau | jade: make it executable |
| 22:50.19 | wols_ | but if you wanna do 3D, no way around it |
| 22:50.19 | stew | !no install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
| 22:50.20 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 22:50.21 | tarzeau | jade: and setup the right symlinks |
| 22:50.23 | bla1 | pdlogen: where can i get debian? |
| 22:50.37 | stew | bla1: /msg dpkg d-i ; /msg dpkg ig |
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| 22:52.35 | unity | this question isn't that important, but is there a qt-version of xdvi and xpdf? or a gtk version perhaps? |
| 22:52.53 | pdbogen | gpdf, but it isn't very good. |
| 22:52.53 | jade | tarzeau, thanks |
| 22:53.09 | stew | unity: there is evince which is gtk which is ok |
| 22:53.10 | tarzeau | unity: kde pdf is ok too? |
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| 22:53.26 | pdbogen | I use gv, or acroread if the file is too broken for gv. |
| 22:54.01 | wols_ | ;) |
| 22:54.03 | abrotman | i see that has one user on popcon |
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| 22:54.15 | Roey | abrotman: hi! |
| 22:54.16 | wols_ | you I guess |
| 22:54.19 | abrotman | hey Roey |
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| 22:54.26 | Roey | abrotman: I have a few bad blocks on my drive and I want to know which files are affected. I have the /var/log/messages output; how can I calculate the blocknum from this in order to feed it into xfs_bmap? http://rafb.net/paste/results/d9ViDx19.html |
| 22:54.42 | wols_ | Roey: run smartmontools |
| 22:54.50 | abrotman | badblocks ? |
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| 22:54.55 | Roey | abrotman: xfs_bmap |
| 22:54.56 | Roey | ? |
| 22:55.00 | Roey | abrotman: badblocks... ok |
| 22:55.00 | eliteforce | i wanted to change the group of a user so i simply set a different gid in /etc/passwd, is that right? |
| 22:55.00 | abrotman | badblocks ? |
| 22:55.01 | unity | stew, tarzeau: aren't those both different programs altogether from xpdf? |
| 22:55.03 | wols_ | bad blocks on his harddisk. sectors gone bad |
| 22:55.05 | abrotman | Roey: i don't know honestly .. |
| 22:55.17 | abrotman | Roey: if the drive is failing .. replace it(assuming you have the money) |
| 22:55.21 | wols_ | Roey: I'd use smartmontools |
| 22:55.23 | tarzeau | unity: the all mostly use xpdf code |
| 22:55.38 | azeem | or libpoppler |
| 22:55.40 | Roey | abrotman: drive is failing, I have bought other drives. |
| 22:55.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm sorry .. i stand corrected .. 190 people have viewpdf.app installed |
| 22:56.03 | Roey | wols_: they both do the same thing? |
| 22:56.08 | wols_ | how many have libc6 installed? |
| 22:56.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got more than one computer, you know :) |
| 22:56.12 | azeem | abrotman: tarzeau admins 150 boxen... |
| 22:56.15 | unity | tarzeau, oh ok. i thought they had a lot of excess code because kde programs fire off all these io slaves which overload my processor |
| 22:56.16 | abrotman | wols_: http://popcon.debian.org/source/by_inst |
| 22:56.19 | wols_ | Roey: no. it's a harddisk scanning tool |
| 22:56.19 | azeem | *duck* |
| 22:56.22 | foo | What is that site where I can find older packages and newer packages of debian and add it to my source? Hmm |
| 22:56.23 | abrotman | azeem: hehe |
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| 22:56.34 | fhbxcvb | si vous trouvez des sites de pedophiles n hesitez pas a nous les mentionners sur http://toxicity.sup.fr nous ferons ce qu il faut pour les stopper |
| 22:56.34 | tarzeau | sheeeesh don't tell, azeem |
| 22:56.39 | unity | tarzeau, and i've found evince to be very very slow at rendering certain pdfs |
| 22:56.50 | Roey | wols_: ok |
| 22:56.57 | tarzeau | unity: no no, there's a new viewpdf.app that i have, that's very fast and good |
| 22:56.58 | Roey | wols_: I mean I've run smartmon before.. |
| 22:57.00 | azeem | unity: the version in sarge? |
| 22:57.00 | abrotman | wols_: somehow .. more people have xorg-x11 installed than anything else |
| 22:57.03 | tarzeau | unity: but it needs something from debian new queue |
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| 22:57.29 | tarzeau | unity: oh evince. no idea. i don't like gtk/gnome |
| 22:57.36 | wols_ | abrotman: did they merge xfree and xorg there? since there won't be xfree in future releases anyways |
| 22:57.42 | unity | azeem, actually come to think of it, i haven't tried the sarge one. my experience was with the ubuntu one |
| 22:57.51 | azeem | unity: aha |
| 22:57.57 | azeem | the sarge one is pretty ancient, FWIW |
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| 22:58.01 | foo | What is that site where I can find older packages and newer packages of debian and add it to my source? Hmm |
| 22:58.07 | unity | azeem, was there something wrong with the ubuntu package? |
| 22:58.08 | azeem | foo: ? |
| 22:58.09 | tarzeau | foo: huh |
| 22:58.15 | wols_ | foo: backports perhaps? |
| 22:58.17 | azeem | unity: dunno |
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| 22:58.18 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 22:58.18 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 22:58.27 | pdbogen | Brian might come along. |
| 22:58.50 | foo | azeem, tarzeau, wols_: Hmm, I remember this site where I could search for a package name ... grab a URL, plug it in my sources, and just update that. I forgot what it was called, hmm, any ideas? |
| 22:58.52 | azeem | how can I change the color of quoted/commented text in vim? |
| 22:58.59 | tarzeau | foo: packages.debian.org |
| 22:59.06 | azeem | foo: snapshot.debian.net? |
| 22:59.11 | azeem | that's only for older packages, though |
| 22:59.15 | abrotman | wols_: there won't be xfree? |
| 22:59.26 | wols_ | abrotman: with the license issues? |
| 22:59.32 | abrotman | wols_: you don't say .. |
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| 22:59.50 | abrotman | wols_: my word .. i hadn't heard a bit about it |
| 22:59.53 | itrebal | whys the most latest MySQL package 4.1? |
| 22:59.56 | unity | tarzeau, azeem: ok thx for the advice |
| 23:00.19 | abrotman | itrebal: because debian/stable doesn't get new versions .. just grave bug fixes/security fixes |
| 23:00.19 | wols_ | you haven't heard about the license change of xfree86? and subsequent abandonment by many major distros? |
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| 23:00.37 | abrotman | wols_: my gosh .. that will surely spell doom for xfree .. DOOM i say ... hahahahah |
| 23:00.39 | itrebal | abrotman: what should i use then? |
| 23:00.43 | abrotman | mysql4.1 |
| 23:00.49 | foo | Hmm, my xfree on sarge froze. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE doesn't kill it. ps aux | grep xfree doesn't show anything |
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| 23:00.50 | abrotman | itrebal: actually .. use pgsql .. much better :) |
| 23:00.52 | jacobo_ | is there any app that shows "Caps on" "Caps off" and such text on X when caps/num/block are pressed? |
| 23:00.57 | Roey | abrotman, wols_: I'm doing both. |
| 23:01.01 | tarzeau | foo: which video drivers? |
| 23:01.08 | itrebal | abrotman: i use pgsql, but theres a client who requires mysql, and 5.something at that |
| 23:01.08 | wols_ | abrotman: xfree development was pretty dead even before that. so I guess no big deal |
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| 23:01.18 | falkon | anyone knwo where I can get the information for a certain monitor model for setting up xorg? I've tried monitorworld.com, and it doesn't say anything useful on the monitor |
| 23:01.19 | cluck | hi |
| 23:01.23 | abrotman | itrebal: check backports.org .. tell your client taht smart people use pgsql :) |
| 23:01.30 | abrotman | wols_: DOOM!!! |
| 23:01.30 | foo | tarzeau: I don't know... hmm, anyway to kill the X server or something? But xfree isn't running. weird. |
| 23:01.34 | tarzeau | falkon: what monitor is it? |
| 23:01.41 | tarzeau | falkon: size? color? |
| 23:01.46 | itrebal | abrotman: i've been stressing to him the amazing of pgsql but he's pretty persistant :( |
| 23:01.48 | abrotman | wols_: i'm sorry .. you'll never get those five minutes back |
| 23:01.52 | wols_ | abrotman: I an daft but not that daft |
| 23:01.53 | falkon | tarzeau: axion cl-1766 |
| 23:02.07 | abrotman | itrebal: tell him to stop reading eweek |
| 23:02.08 | eliteforce | i have a big problem, i changed a users group thought editing /etc/passwd and deleted the group, if i copy files with the user now, they have group 1000 in a dirlisting (instead of users) |
| 23:02.12 | wols_ | and if the other guy is not too braindead either, it's ok to talk stupid once in a while |
| 23:02.20 | itrebal | abrotman: lol its an app he wants to use that he got, he's dumb. |
| 23:02.23 | tarzeau | eliteforce: that's not a big problem |
| 23:02.26 | falkon | tarzeau: where would you look up the horiz/vert? |
| 23:02.33 | abrotman | itrebal: i guess if he's paying you .. doesn't matter |
| 23:02.38 | wols_ | itrebal: only way I can see is backportsl.org |
| 23:02.40 | eliteforce | tarzeau: for me it is :) |
| 23:02.41 | itrebal | abrotman: yup |
| 23:02.43 | tarzeau | falkon: in the manual, or homepage of producer of monitor |
| 23:02.45 | itrebal | thanks wols_ |
| 23:02.45 | tarzeau | eliteforce: why? |
| 23:02.54 | wols_ | abrotman: you're easily entertained I guess |
| 23:02.58 | eliteforce | tarzeau: is that normal behaviour? |
| 23:03.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: patched it with that tetris game, the fsck? |
| 23:03.04 | tarzeau | eliteforce: yes |
| 23:03.24 | eliteforce | tarzeau: does that change after a re-login? |
| 23:03.25 | falkon | tarzeau: I can't even find that |
| 23:03.34 | tarzeau | eliteforce: no, after you fix your passwd/group file |
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| 23:03.47 | eliteforce | tarzeau: fix? it should be right |
| 23:03.49 | tarzeau | falkon: the homepage or the manual? |
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| 23:04.04 | tarzeau | eliteforce: do you like to play games? |
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| 23:04.18 | eliteforce | tarzeau: why |
| 23:04.24 | foo | Hmm, my xfree on sarge froze. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE doesn't kill it. ps aux | grep xfree doesn't show anything. Any other ideas on what to do? Hmm |
| 23:04.25 | tarzeau | eliteforce: yes or no |
| 23:04.28 | eliteforce | tarzeau: yes |
| 23:04.32 | tarzeau | foo: reboot. don't repeat |
| 23:04.35 | tarzeau | eliteforce: go play some games |
| 23:04.50 | eliteforce | tarzeau: nope, i gotta fix this |
| 23:04.52 | foo | tarzeau: heh, this is linux. |
| 23:04.55 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.57 | stew | how about global thermonuclear war? |
| 23:04.59 | tarzeau | eliteforce: it's not broken |
| 23:04.59 | wols_ | falkon: ever heard of google? like this page it spits out: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/carolina/417/monitors.htm ? |
| 23:05.05 | tarzeau | foo: so what? |
| 23:05.11 | tarzeau | foo: i've rebooted boxen with 1000 days uptime |
| 23:05.16 | eliteforce | tarzeau: why did you say i have to fix my files then? |
| 23:05.24 | wols_ | foo: do you have sshd running? |
| 23:05.26 | foo | wols_: Yes |
| 23:05.30 | falkon | wols_: let me check that |
| 23:05.34 | tarzeau | eliteforce: i meant passwd/group. and don't worry, it'll all work fine anyways |
| 23:05.34 | wols_ | foo: then log in remotely and kill X |
| 23:05.43 | tarzeau | eliteforce: check /var/backups |
| 23:05.49 | vin` | foo: ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't work? |
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| 23:05.51 | foo | wols_: Yeah, I am ssh'd into it right now in a screen on irssi chatting. xfree isn't runing. |
| 23:05.58 | tarzeau | foo: chvt 1? |
| 23:06.00 | foo | vin`: I tried that already, no |
| 23:06.11 | tarzeau | foo: what video driver? |
| 23:06.24 | Xorn | =\ |
| 23:06.27 | foo | tarzeau: I did that command. Hm, should of read what it did |
| 23:06.28 | eliteforce | tarzeau: that contains the old (wrong) files, but they are just backups so? |
| 23:06.30 | Xorn | my debian box isn't talking to my USB keychain |
| 23:06.38 | foo | tarzeau: No special drivers. I've used X a lot on this box ... hmm |
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| 23:06.45 | tarzeau | foo: which video driver? |
| 23:06.54 | wols_ | foo: can't restart X? |
| 23:06.59 | foo | wols_: Trying :) |
| 23:07.05 | tarzeau | eliteforce: the owner or group says 1000? |
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| 23:07.08 | Xorn | USB: device not accepting address 4 (error=-110) |
| 23:07.10 | wols_ | foo: have you entered "startx" yet? |
| 23:07.23 | falkon | wols_: that gave me horizontal sync, how do I find vertical refresh now? |
| 23:07.24 | eliteforce | tarzeau: the gid in passwd is 1000 in the bak file |
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| 23:07.37 | tarzeau | eliteforce: and what is the name of gid 1000? |
| 23:07.38 | cluck | foo: have you tried killall X |
| 23:07.41 | Rouke__ | hiya |
| 23:07.45 | foo | wols_: I can't get to a term. ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't go. hmm. |
| 23:07.47 | tarzeau | eliteforce: why did you remove it? what do you want to do? |
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| 23:08.03 | Rouke__ | any shorewall users here? |
| 23:08.06 | tarzeau | Rouke__: yes |
| 23:08.14 | wols_ | foo: no. it doesn't not SHOW you being there. since you don't see anything you don't know if you aren't on it |
| 23:08.28 | eliteforce | tarzeau: adduser created a group with the same username but i just wanted the account in users, so i deleted the new group and set the gid to 100 |
| 23:08.35 | foo | wols_: uh, what is "it" ? |
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| 23:08.45 | tarzeau | eliteforce: ouch |
| 23:08.50 | tarzeau | eliteforce: i hope you learnt something now |
| 23:09.03 | eliteforce | tarzeau: not really |
| 23:09.04 | tarzeau | eliteforce: and you can't figure out how to fix what you broke? |
| 23:09.09 | tarzeau | eliteforce: that's bad. |
| 23:09.16 | tarzeau | eliteforce: i hope you learn it next time |
| 23:09.24 | Rouke__ | k, let's say I have 2 firewalls, connected through openvpn, from loc to loc through ovpn is the conn ok, but using a alias ip on one firewall and dnatting through the ovpn to sub net on otherside drops. Any idea why? |
| 23:09.24 | wols_ | it = console of ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 23:09.31 | eliteforce | tarzeau: and you know it? tell me please |
| 23:09.42 | foo | wols_: hm, ok, so what do I do? |
| 23:09.48 | tarzeau | eliteforce: i don't understand you |
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| 23:10.02 | tarzeau | eliteforce: you can't change gid numbers in group files |
| 23:10.08 | tarzeau | eliteforce: the files will keep the gid they have |
| 23:10.14 | tarzeau | eliteforce: you can change the name of gid numbers |
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| 23:10.20 | tarzeau | eliteforce: it's easy, isn't it? |
| 23:10.29 | wols_ | Filbert: try ti type blind and watch the logs like a hawk from your ssh connection |
| 23:10.38 | tarzeau | eliteforce: which is your favourite games? |
| 23:10.44 | wols_ | grrr |
| 23:10.47 | wols_ | foo: of course |
| 23:10.53 | eliteforce | tarzeau: i changed the gid in the passwd file, i didnt change a name of a group, just deleted a line in group :P |
| 23:11.03 | wols_ | foo: tho, imho the chances of avoiding to reboot are very slim |
| 23:11.04 | tarzeau | eliteforce: yes i got that. i'm not an idiot |
| 23:11.14 | foo | wols_: Hmm, anything to look for in ps aux ? |
| 23:11.15 | tarzeau | eliteforce: and i told you that this doesn't work. don't you understand me? |
| 23:11.19 | wols_ | tarzeau: say, aren't you a GNUStep user? |
| 23:11.29 | eliteforce | tarzeau: why doesnt it work, my gid is 100 now which is users |
| 23:11.31 | abrotman | wols_: the machie has been dead for a few weeks .. mobo/vrm/cpu all replaced |
| 23:11.35 | tarzeau | wols_: yes i am |
| 23:11.40 | tarzeau | eliteforce: DAMN |
| 23:11.42 | eliteforce | tarzeau: i chgrp -R'ed em all |
| 23:11.48 | wols_ | foo: did I say anything about processlist. I said about logs |
| 23:12.01 | foo | wols_: Right. I see nothing in the logs. Already checks |
| 23:12.06 | tarzeau | man it's not weekend yet |
| 23:12.20 | stew | ugh, yeah |
| 23:12.22 | wols_ | tarzeau: on #debian, everyday is sunday |
| 23:12.29 | Rouke__ | k, so no idea |
| 23:12.34 | Rouke__ | nm, thnx anyway |
| 23:12.53 | tarzeau | eliteforce: you should also try nethack |
| 23:13.22 | wols_ | everybody should |
| 23:13.28 | eliteforce | tarzeau: so why does the gid change to 100 if i copy a file which's group is set to users? |
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| 23:14.14 | falkon | wols_: I found a site that seems to say the vertical refresh of the monitor is 85-120, coudl it be that high? |
| 23:14.15 | eliteforce | tarzeau: no its not a console game |
| 23:14.42 | eliteforce | can anyone else help me, some persons here just talk **** |
| 23:14.53 | wols_ | falkon: yes it could be. for 640x480. I gave you a link which listed all you needed to see, so what's the problem? |
| 23:14.59 | tarzeau | eliteforce: look files have a group id and a user id |
| 23:15.05 | tarzeau | eliteforce: and that id is a number |
| 23:15.05 | wols_ | it can do up to 65kHz |
| 23:15.11 | Acidz0r | !ping |
| 23:15.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:15.26 | tarzeau | eliteforce: the number to name thing is done in passwd and group |
| 23:15.35 | wols_ | !tell eliteforce about anyone |
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| 23:15.40 | stew | oh jeez, i was figuring nethack-gnome was just a gtk wrapper around a text window |
| 23:15.40 | tarzeau | eliteforce: if you change the number , the files still have the old number. but without the name |
| 23:15.43 | stew | its not |
| 23:15.45 | falkon | wols_: it didn't have the vertical refresh, just the horizontal sync |
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| 23:16.05 | tarzeau | eliteforce: that's called breaking the files and not being nice |
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| 23:16.07 | wols_ | falkon: you don't really need more than the 65kHz thing |
| 23:16.07 | tarzeau | eliteforce: don't do that |
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| 23:16.21 | tarzeau | eliteforce: now first undo your breakage, then talk again |
| 23:16.27 | vin` | what's the right way to set uxterm to start with "Large" font? |
| 23:16.38 | tarzeau | vin`: -fn whatever |
| 23:16.41 | eliteforce | tarzeau: and chgrp is totally helpless here?! |
| 23:16.43 | wols_ | falkon: all the other numbers more or less derive from that and the resolution |
| 23:16.44 | vernom | how to set up X to dont listen to tcp connections ? |
| 23:16.50 | ecdemo | eliteforce: here, you would be served by learning and experimenting with file permissions... or as I like to call it, the very first assignment in a basic beginning intro to unix course |
| 23:16.51 | tarzeau | eliteforce: first you fix what you broke |
| 23:17.00 | tarzeau | eliteforce: don't try to date two women at the same time |
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| 23:17.04 | eeyore- | vernom: nolisten tcp |
| 23:17.04 | HiMiNiTSiKi | Questions: what version of KDE does Etch use? Are there many package updates over Sarge? Is is pretty stable? |
| 23:17.04 | tarzeau | eliteforce: you'll only hose things |
| 23:17.12 | pdbogen | eliteforce : Always wear sunscreen. |
| 23:17.16 | wols_ | !etch |
| 23:17.17 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 23:17.35 | vernom | eeyore-, i put this in Xserver config :0 /path/to/X -nolisten tcp but didnt worked |
| 23:17.37 | wols_ | !nickometer HiMiNiTSiKi: |
| 23:17.39 | dpkg | 'HiMiNiTSiKi:' is 75.000% lame, wols_ |
| 23:17.49 | wols_ | HiMiNiTSiKi: packages.debian.org for versions |
| 23:18.02 | eeyore- | vernom: restart the display manager |
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| 23:18.09 | eliteforce | tarzeau: ok and now? |
| 23:18.14 | vernom | did that |
| 23:18.22 | vin` | tarzeau: where should I customize it to make it the default, system wide? |
| 23:18.36 | resiak | HiMiNiTSiKi: You can use packages.debian.org just like we can |
| 23:18.38 | tarzeau | eliteforce: now you have files say lesbian-anna.mpg elitefor:users right? |
| 23:18.41 | HiMiNiTSiKi | thanks wols_ |
| 23:18.42 | eeyore- | vernom: ps axfuw and grep for "X", see the command-line parameter. if it doesn't have -nolisten tcp, you didn't edit the right file |
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| 23:18.53 | tarzeau | eliteforce: and you want it to show like what? lesbian-anna.mpg elitefor:foobar ? |
| 23:18.59 | falkon | wols_: how do the other numbers derive from the resolution and horizontal sync range? |
| 23:19.01 | vernom | maybe i didnt right the good xscreen i put :0 |
| 23:19.04 | vernom | ok |
| 23:19.07 | eliteforce | tarzeau: nope |
| 23:19.08 | HiMiNiTSiKi | dkpg: you mean Etch is 75% lameness? |
| 23:19.15 | tarzeau | eliteforce: ok say what you want |
| 23:19.19 | eliteforce | tarzeau: i want to remove the wrong group and set the group of eliteforce to users |
| 23:19.38 | tarzeau | eliteforce: ok you see the : ? |
| 23:19.40 | wols_ | res divided thoguth horiz max plus a little "extra" |
| 23:19.41 | HiMiNiTSiKi | no need to be rude resaik |
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| 23:19.52 | tarzeau | eliteforce: what's the letters on the left side of the : ? |
| 23:19.56 | tarzeau | HiMiNiTSiKi: he wasn't rude |
| 23:19.59 | eliteforce | tarzeau: username |
| 23:20.00 | wols_ | basiaclly at 1024x768 it's say 70Hz, maybe 72 |
| 23:20.07 | tarzeau | eliteforce: and the letters after the : ? |
| 23:20.15 | eeyore- | low tolerance level? |
| 23:20.15 | eliteforce | tarzeau: groupname |
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| 23:20.27 | falkon | wols_: so if the monitor will do 1280x1024, what would the frequency be? |
| 23:20.28 | sebakiller | hi |
| 23:20.33 | tarzeau | eliteforce: so it shows up now as elitefor:elitefor ? |
| 23:20.54 | bucky | you sank my battleship |
| 23:21.00 | eliteforce | tarzeau: if i chgrp back yes xD but yeah newly created files do |
| 23:21.04 | tarzeau | eliteforce: and what says this command: id elitefor ? |
| 23:21.09 | sebakiller | anyone want to make a hack group? |
| 23:21.16 | tarzeau | eliteforce: that's got something to do with the main group a user belongs to |
| 23:21.21 | jengelh | sebakiller : Your skill is not enough. |
| 23:21.25 | eliteforce | tarzeau: uid=1000(eliteforce) gid=1000(eliteforce) groups=1000(eliteforce) |
| 23:21.29 | sebakiller | i know |
| 23:21.44 | vernom | eeyore-, i dotn have nothing in ps with X -nolisten ..but i edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers |
| 23:21.45 | rvsjoen | sebakiller: that line kinda saved my day, :) |
| 23:21.54 | eeyore- | vernom: and you use xdm? |
| 23:22.04 | tarzeau | eliteforce: good. can you show me the eliteforce line of group ? |
| 23:22.09 | ecdemo | that is the default. that way, every user gets his own group |
| 23:22.16 | tarzeau | eliteforce: no the passwd line |
| 23:22.21 | tarzeau | eliteforce: adn the users line of group? |
| 23:22.28 | sebakiller | please dont think that im a lammer im just learning |
| 23:22.31 | tarzeau | ecdemo: he seems to want not that |
| 23:22.38 | vernom | i thoougth xdm is a service for x dont know if i use it ..and where to put it in .xinitrc? |
| 23:22.45 | eliteforce | tarzeau: passwd = eliteforce:x:1000:1000::/home/eliteforce:/bin/bash |
| 23:22.45 | eeyore- | sebakiller: what sense of 'hack' are you talking about? |
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| 23:23.11 | tarzeau | eliteforce: do you see 1000:1000 ? that's userid:groupid ... 1000 is eliteforce |
| 23:23.12 | eeyore- | vernom: there's xdm, gdm, kdm |
| 23:23.12 | FSF-Admin | hello |
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| 23:23.20 | vernom | aha ok i use kdm |
| 23:23.21 | tarzeau | eliteforce: you want that number to be the one of gid users |
| 23:23.24 | FSF-Admin | i know that it is not an debian topic |
| 23:23.30 | eliteforce | tarzeau: thats 100 |
| 23:23.30 | tarzeau | eliteforce: then new files you create will be eliteforce:users |
| 23:23.32 | sebakiller | just learn programm languages and share knowledge |
| 23:23.32 | resiak | HiMiNiTSiKi: I wasn't being rude. |
| 23:23.36 | tarzeau | eliteforce: then change it to 100 |
| 23:23.41 | FSF-Admin | but suse etc does not answer |
| 23:23.42 | falkon | wols_: I have no idea where you got that formula, but 1024*768/66 != 70 |
| 23:23.45 | wols_ | falkon: I'd try 70Hz. but there are various monitors listed when you dpkg-reconfigure. choose th nearest 1280er |
| 23:23.49 | tarzeau | eliteforce: you'll have files around that'll show up as 1000 |
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| 23:23.56 | tarzeau | eliteforce: you'll have to manually chgrp them |
| 23:24.01 | HiMiNiTSiKi | ok resiak, thanks for the link |
| 23:24.05 | tarzeau | eliteforce: find is helpful |
| 23:24.15 | FSF-Admin | i downloaded the 5 suse images. know i want to build a suse dvd. but how? im using windows xp at the moment. |
| 23:24.25 | vernom | and eeyore- if i use kdm where to edit the config ..better say i use kde? |
| 23:24.34 | wols_ | falkon: long time I did all this manually sorry |
| 23:24.35 | tarzeau | FSF-Admin: #suse |
| 23:24.53 | eeyore- | vernom: dpkg --listfiles kdm |
| 23:24.55 | HiMiNiTSiKi | sorry i just didn't see that anywhere when trying to check out etch, i always just use the package manager |
| 23:25.07 | wols_ | falkon: most probably those are 5 SuSE CD ISOs, not a DVD ISO. and now go to #suse please |
| 23:25.08 | eliteforce | tarzeau: ahm i changed the 2nd number and new files are still group eliteforce.. |
| 23:25.19 | tarzeau | eliteforce: did you open a new shell? |
| 23:25.21 | sebakiller | so anyone want to form a group of hack? |
| 23:25.31 | tarzeau | eliteforce: or say newgrp users ? (not sure if this will work) |
| 23:25.32 | rvsjoen | FSF-Admin: there's a separate DVD ISO available for download |
| 23:25.33 | wols_ | HiMiNiTSiKi: apt-cache show and apt-cache policy |
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| 23:25.46 | unity | so let me get this straght. sid is an always unstable never released version of debian, always paralleling the released versions, and usually has the latest software? |
| 23:26.00 | pipeline | unity: Yup. Sid is eternally unreleased. |
| 23:26.02 | tarzeau | unity: yes |
| 23:26.03 | wols_ | unity: more or less. also the most breakage |
| 23:26.10 | tarzeau | unity: and experimental is the extension to sid |
| 23:26.10 | eliteforce | tarzeau: brb, i think the whole problem was screen -_- nothing else |
| 23:26.11 | vernom | i know is a way to create an .foofile to be read auto by X in $HOME file .. |
| 23:26.25 | vernom | or it has a name? |
| 23:26.39 | rvsjoen | .xinitrc ? |
| 23:26.41 | wols_ | vernom: lots of dotfiles relating to X in ~ |
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| 23:26.48 | unity | i think i'll try sid one day, although i've never experienced broken packages |
| 23:26.49 | eeyore- | love sid |
| 23:26.52 | wols_ | vernom: usually they are scripts tho |
| 23:26.58 | sebakiller | anyone want to make a hack group? |
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| 23:27.09 | ecdemo | !anyone |
| 23:27.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:27.10 | eeyore- | sebakiller: not really :-) there are so many projects out there already |
| 23:27.10 | EdibleText | hackysack? |
| 23:27.13 | vernom | i know ...ok |
| 23:27.15 | wols_ | unity: if you run sid long enough there will be breakage. always |
| 23:27.17 | eeyore- | sebakiller: make your own club or something |
| 23:27.19 | moshii | Can anyone suggest a decent ARM or MIPS board that'll run debian but doesn't cost the earth |
| 23:27.21 | sebakiller | ok |
| 23:27.23 | rvsjoen | sebakiller: sure sign me up, now i'm going to bed |
| 23:27.27 | sebakiller | thanks anyway |
| 23:27.30 | ecdemo | !polls |
| 23:27.30 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 23:27.50 | eliteforce | tarzeau: well |
| 23:28.16 | tarzeau | eliteforce: when you're great in nethack. save and go sleep |
| 23:28.21 | eliteforce | tarzeau: actually what i did was completly right .. |
| 23:28.26 | unity | wols_, what are the ramifications of a breakage? |
| 23:28.52 | ecdemo | "right" |
| 23:28.52 | ecdemo | hmm |
| 23:28.52 | eliteforce | tarzeau: just needed to re-login |
| 23:28.52 | wols_ | unity: depends on the breakage which can be very diverse |
| 23:28.52 | wols_ | !sid |
| 23:28.52 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 23:28.52 | tarzeau | eliteforce: if you only could have experessed yourself a bit better |
| 23:28.56 | eliteforce | tarzeau: but anyway, thx for telling me so much helpless stuff ^^ |
| 23:29.05 | wols_ | the part which starts "Do not use sid unless..." |
| 23:29.09 | tarzeau | eliteforce: i hope you learnt something anyways |
| 23:29.11 | sebakiller | rvsjoen: do u have msn? |
| 23:29.19 | tarzeau | sebakiller: i do! |
| 23:29.23 | eliteforce | tarzeau: yeah, i dont like #debian anymore :( |
| 23:29.25 | unity | i can just always reinstall sid and start again if things get too intense |
| 23:29.34 | sebakiller | tarzeau: ok |
| 23:29.35 | wols_ | tarzeau: stop playing with kids. they can get hurt |
| 23:29.53 | rvsjoen | yes, but I dont hand it out to anyone who asks for it. |
| 23:30.07 | sebakiller | rvsjoen: ok |
| 23:30.20 | ecdemo | msn msn msn msn |
| 23:30.21 | sebakiller | rvsjoen: anywhere where i can find you? |
| 23:30.32 | ecdemo | I'll have your msn! I love it! |
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| 23:30.42 | rvsjoen | when i'm not hiding, i'm usually here :P |
| 23:30.44 | wols_ | sebakiller: obviously in #debian :) |
| 23:30.54 | cluck | can someone please help me setting up a small home network? |
| 23:31.02 | tarzeau | ecdemo: it exists for mac os x now |
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| 23:31.22 | ecdemo | yay for existance! |
| 23:31.25 | wols_ | tarzeau: for how long (unless it's a 3rd party program) |
| 23:31.31 | rvsjoen | now good night |
| 23:31.33 | sebakiller | ok just i ll be waiting ; ) |
| 23:31.47 | tarzeau | wols_: it's microsoft |
| 23:31.54 | tarzeau | wols_: no idea for how long, just seen it today |
| 23:32.10 | wols_ | si subce utÄs ISX software it's already canceled again like IE? |
| 23:32.19 | ecdemo | cluck: you know how to start... tell us the details of what your situation is now, what you want it to be, what you've tried and for each thing you tried, what happened |
| 23:32.21 | EdibleText | cluck, what are yo doing? what is happening? what do you expect to happen? |
| 23:32.26 | wols_ | Sememmon: just a tip, I don't think you will find many takers in here |
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| 23:32.39 | mngrif | cluck, there's thousands of websites devoted to the subject.. if your router is openbsd based i might be able to help |
| 23:33.19 | |dennis| | Please help >>> Using debmirror >> Here is what is happeneing... http://pastebin.ca/47642 |
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| 23:33.50 | Hunterkll | I have a package that requires libopenexr2, which is no longer avalable, replaced by libopenexr2c2, and I have the latest version of that, how can I force that dependancy? |
| 23:34.15 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: get the source package |
| 23:34.18 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: rebuild it |
| 23:34.33 | Hunterkll | No source package |
| 23:34.34 | [thom] | How do you reset a root password on debian? I have another user account on the machine |
| 23:34.40 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: create one |
| 23:34.45 | Hunterkll | ... with what source? :) |
| 23:34.54 | tarzeau | [thom]: init=/bin/bash |
| 23:34.55 | cluck | ok.. so this is how it goes.. i have 3 pcs and a cablemodem connected to a switch |
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| 23:35.04 | tarzeau | [thom]: boot using this kernel parameter |
| 23:35.04 | Hunterkll | cluck: You need a router, not a switch |
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| 23:35.17 | wols_ | Sememmon: ? |
| 23:35.17 | Hunterkll | cable modem goes itno router's wan port, pcs go into lan port, they all dhcp and it's all nice and happy |
| 23:35.21 | EdibleText | [thom], and that user can invoke root via sudo or su ? |
| 23:35.21 | cluck | yeah i know, thats my problem |
| 23:35.23 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: there's no source? |
| 23:35.29 | Hunterkll | tarzeau: Not that I can find |
| 23:35.31 | ecdemo | you need a router between the cable modem and the switch |
| 23:35.33 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: what software is that? who made the binary packages? |
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| 23:35.37 | cluck | i have a switch but not a router :| |
| 23:35.42 | ecdemo | you need a router between the cable modem and the switch |
| 23:35.44 | [thom] | tarzeau What kernel parameter? |
| 23:35.46 | EdibleText | cluck, make one ;) |
| 23:35.47 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: what is the name of it? who did it? copyright file should show where it's from |
| 23:35.52 | Hunterkll | tarzeau: Video editing package, cinelerra |
| 23:35.55 | tarzeau | [thom]: 01:34 < tarzeau> [thom]: init=/bin/bash |
| 23:35.59 | cluck | how? |
| 23:36.01 | wols_ | [thom]: yes a kernel parameter |
| 23:36.02 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: that exists as source! |
| 23:36.03 | Hunterkll | The onyl source there is is SVN and the port is blocked inside the school |
| 23:36.11 | Hunterkll | tarzeau: Sure, if you can use SVN ... |
| 23:36.19 | EdibleText | [thom], yeah listen to tarzeau |
| 23:36.19 | janez | chris77^: mmm estoy en consola, puedes revisar http://security.debian.org/dists/testing |
| 23:36.23 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: they usually have the command on the web, copy paste |
| 23:36.23 | janez | ? |
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| 23:36.24 | cluck | i'm reading about NAT and squid |
| 23:36.26 | jengelh | Hunterkll : Persuade someone to open it. |
| 23:36.32 | Hunterkll | tarzeau: That's not the problem. the port is blocked :) |
| 23:36.37 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: open the port |
| 23:36.42 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: who closed it? |
| 23:36.43 | cluck | but i don't understand half of it |
| 23:36.44 | Hunterkll | tarzeau: Inside a college network |
| 23:36.45 | jengelh | Hunterkll : Or open a tunnel... |
| 23:36.58 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: say you need the port |
| 23:37.04 | wols_ | cluck: NAT is what a typical SOHO router does. either getr one or make one of your machines a router |
| 23:37.17 | wols_ | cluck: the machine needs 2 network cards however |
| 23:37.21 | Hunterkll | cluck: Get a throw-away linksys router or something |
| 23:37.25 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: make a slashdot story how you can't work at that university because they close the svn port |
| 23:37.27 | Hunterkll | el cheapo $50 jobbie |
| 23:37.35 | Hunterkll | tarzeau: It's a community college :/ |
| 23:37.45 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: slashdot is community news |
| 23:37.57 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: WHICH IDIOT CLOSES PORTS THAT USERS NEEDS? |
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| 23:38.02 | Hunterkll | If the admin read slashdot, i'd have a heart attack |
| 23:38.06 | stew | easy |
| 23:38.10 | Hunterkll | It's a plug and pray windows / novell setup |
| 23:38.10 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: does she look good? |
| 23:38.13 | Hunterkll | she? |
| 23:38.18 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: it's an admin boy? |
| 23:38.22 | Hunterkll | try ... non existant? |
| 23:38.25 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: who cares. go ahead, www.slashdot.org |
| 23:38.27 | Hunterkll | it's the library |
| 23:38.29 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: it's not your heart |
| 23:38.30 | |dennis| | http://pastebin.ca/47642 << Please Help :) |
| 23:38.36 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: YOU CAN'T WORK MAN! |
| 23:38.39 | Hunterkll | the librarians run the network! |
| 23:38.42 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: this is a worldwide disaster |
| 23:38.49 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: you bother #debian for their fault |
| 23:38.53 | Hunterkll | Work? I'm trying to edit stupid clips of video i took at our radio show :) |
| 23:38.56 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: the librarians are nazis |
| 23:39.04 | wols_ | yes, skip slashdot, go to cnn with your story instead |
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| 23:39.06 | Hunterkll | All I wanted to know was how to force dependancies! |
| 23:39.07 | [thom] | tarzeau How do I give a parameter to the kernel during boot? |
| 23:39.16 | Hunterkll | Not declare a national emergancy! |
| 23:39.16 | tarzeau | [thom]: in grub press e |
| 23:39.26 | [thom] | Sorry, grub? |
| 23:39.29 | wols_ | Hunterkll: rebuild your lib and let it provide the old lib too |
| 23:39.31 | tarzeau | Hunterkll: call bush NOW! |
| 23:39.41 | wols_ | thewhite: man menu.lst |
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| 23:40.06 | wols_ | Hunterkll: "provide" as in the debian metadata |
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| 23:40.27 | tarzeau | EdibleText: that's very dangerous |
| 23:40.38 | eliteforce | how can i create a smd5 hash? |
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| 23:40.40 | crossone | anyone knows a good channel discussing about irc proxies on linux? |
| 23:40.40 | EdibleText | i know.. :) |
| 23:40.42 | wols_ | tarzeau: depends how much leeway your leash lets you |
| 23:40.53 | wols_ | eliteforce: md5sum |
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| 23:41.28 | EdibleText | sometime you push the envolope..some time you get sent home in one |
| 23:41.37 | eliteforce | wols_: md5 != smd5 as far as i know though... |
| 23:41.50 | wols_ | eliteforce: ok, so what is smd5? |
| 23:42.00 | eliteforce | wols_: salted md5 |
| 23:42.06 | crossone | lol |
| 23:42.08 | tarzeau | lol |
| 23:42.10 | tarzeau | eliteforce: mkpasswd |
| 23:42.23 | tarzeau | eliteforce: really not even dict knows smd5 |
| 23:42.24 | crossone | I know sha1sum but salted md5 |
| 23:42.25 | tarzeau | !smd5 |
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| 23:42.35 | crossone | ;p |
| 23:42.38 | tarzeau | crossone: don't bother, nothing anyone knows |
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| 23:43.06 | cluck | do i really need more hardware? can't i do IPmasquerading? |
| 23:43.09 | wols_ | eliteforce: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/slappasswd.8.html |
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| 23:43.55 | wols_ | cluck: you either need a hardware router or a 2nd network card in one of the PCs (which will then act as a router). so yes you need more hardware |
| 23:43.59 | tarzeau | eliteforce: you've never have problems with people not understanding you? |
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| 23:44.09 | cluck | damn |
| 23:44.11 | eliteforce | tarzeau: no |
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| 23:44.34 | eliteforce | tarzeau: just with people who dont read proper what i write |
| 23:44.41 | wols_ | cluck: there is no way around a router in some form |
| 23:45.15 | wols_ | cluck: well there is, but thenn your ISP needs you to give 3 IPs which will cost you each month. not worth it |
| 23:45.19 | ecdemo | eliteforce: so the answer is therefore yes |
| 23:45.32 | Jacobo221 | my kbd has no leds. is there an app that reports leds status in X through OSD when caps/num/scroll keys are pressed? |
| 23:45.36 | tarzeau | ecdemo: the problem is he's using acronyms that don't exist |
| 23:45.53 | wols_ | tarzeau: smd5 does exist at least |
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| 23:45.58 | tarzeau | wols_: where? |
| 23:46.17 | wols_ | http://www.google.de/search?q=smd5&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 23:46.20 | ecdemo | oh, in that case the misunderstanding that comes about due to those acronyms are totally his fault UNTIL and unless he reveals the meanings of them |
| 23:46.25 | wols_ | LDAP. some suse stuff, etc uses them |
| 23:46.27 | wols_ | why I dunno |
| 23:46.28 | stew | Jacobo221: apt-cache search keyboard status |
| 23:47.25 | ecdemo | he's also got something of an attitude (I won't say problem yet) because he's judging the quality of help he is getting |
| 23:47.44 | cluck | wols_: it's a pity there isn't a software solution, thaks for your help |
| 23:48.09 | cluck | thanks everyone |
| 23:48.09 | wols_ | cluck: there is software. jit just needs adeqzate hardware |
| 23:48.12 | ecdemo | and until he's paying $200 an hour for help, he ought to check that attitude at the door |
| 23:48.17 | Jacobo221 | stew, thanks :) |
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| 23:49.21 | EdibleText | for 200 hundred bucks an hour i would want to have the option to flail my consultants.. |
| 23:49.34 | Jacobo221 | stew, uhm, i was actually seraching for a non-kde/gnome/gkrellm/etc dependant app. something to be launched just from xinitrc |
| 23:49.52 | EdibleText | but i think that service is provided my others |
| 23:49.52 | stew | Jacobo221: dunno |
| 23:50.04 | Jacobo221 | stew, ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 23:50.07 | ecdemo | as long as the consultants can defend themselves with uzis and rocket launchers, flails are ok |
| 23:51.04 | ecdemo | " drop the flail. step away slowly. now what the fuck is your question?!" |
| 23:52.26 | wols_ | depends. a orcale wiz comes cheap at 200USD/hour. if you hit him in any ways, he will sue you for all you have and win |
| 23:52.45 | wols_ | of course if you torture a MCSE "consultant": who cares? |
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| 23:53.19 | EdibleText | one may get medieval on an MCSE's buttocks, true |
| 23:53.48 | azeem | oh? |
| 23:53.56 | EdibleText | its in the EULA |
| 23:54.29 | EdibleText | 6pt tohoma in white at the very bottom |
| 23:55.29 | amphi | comic sans, shurely |
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| 23:55.46 | unity | omg don't talk to me about comic sans |
| 23:55.57 | unity | comic sans is the epitome of ugly fonts |
| 23:56.14 | unity | even for comics |
| 23:56.18 | ecdemo | maybe it's supposed to be ugly :) |
| 23:56.34 | wols_ | shouldn't it be "comic"? |
| 23:57.09 | EdibleText | heh the first hit for comic sans is bancomicsans.com |
| 23:57.19 | unity | it's not comic, and even if it is, it is frequently misused, as in student's typed homeworks and essays, and i blame the font itself entirely |
| 23:57.29 | wols_ | doesn't every original MS font have such a site? |
| 23:57.37 | wols_ | people don't like arial either for example |
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| 23:58.43 | EdibleText | this one has tee-shirts and cups n' stuff |
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