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| 00:00.20 | phogg | pacopacino: It's the other way around. I already have users and I want them to have email addresses, too. |
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| 00:00.41 | _matej | twobitsprite: I heard a lot of good things about ssmtp and nullmailer |
| 00:00.42 | robin__ | phogg, try vpopmail |
| 00:00.48 | _matej | twobitsprite: try apt-cache search mail-transport-agent |
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| 00:01.14 | emdash | i'm using sarge with nvida drivers, and i can't seem to get x11 to come up in 640x480 |
| 00:01.18 | emdash | i'm setting up a settop box and 800x600 is too large to read text |
| 00:01.20 | phogg | pacopacino: your questions reflect a suboptimal understanding of how email works. I recommend reading more documentation. |
| 00:01.28 | phogg | robin__: eh? For what? |
| 00:01.32 | joseph | phogg: find / -name 'libflashplayer' -print |
| 00:01.39 | joseph | phogg: nothing on my system matches that |
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| 00:01.45 | robin__ | ive only ever used vpopmail with qmail .. but I guess it works with $randomOtherMTA |
| 00:01.52 | emdash | when i remove every resolution entry except for 640x480 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, it still comes up in 800x600 first |
| 00:02.04 | phogg | Joseph find /usr/lib -name '*libflashplayer*' # closer to this |
| 00:02.09 | emdash | if i try to change the resolution using ctrl-alt +/- i'm stuck with an 800x600 virtual desktop |
| 00:02.29 | pacopacino | phogg..you said you have multiple users on your machine...what do they do? are they using mysql through php or something? |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | a little early for april fools jokes isn't it ? |
| 00:02.43 | robin__ | phogg, as a way of providing random users with email addys |
| 00:02.46 | bucky | sparr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23558147@N00/110129102/ |
| 00:02.47 | phogg | pacopacino: they have shell accounts. |
| 00:03.01 | joseph | phogg: I tried your command. Still nothing. |
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| 00:03.04 | j33 | does anyone know if linux-kernel packages exist for 2.6.16-git19 for sid? maybe from an unoffical debian source? |
| 00:03.09 | phogg | robin__: talk to pacopacino. I was describing my setup to him as an example. |
| 00:03.17 | robin__ | ahh . |
| 00:03.17 | _shane | I am trying to get a laptop modem going "dmesg | grep tty -" reported "[ 19.079345] ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A" but minicomm doesn't seem to be able to talk to the modem, and kppp says ttyS0 isn't working ether. Can anyone help? |
| 00:03.18 | j33 | i'd compile but the box running debian isn't stable enough to compile a kernel |
| 00:03.32 | abrotman | you can use make-kpkg anywhere |
| 00:03.40 | robin__ | phogg, apologies |
| 00:03.46 | pacopacino | phogg, so your using exim4 as aweb mail server..or your actually creating or originating e-mail accounts using your domain name as the extension? |
| 00:03.53 | j33 | abrotman: k thx |
| 00:04.04 | robin__ | pacopacino, try vpopmail :) |
| 00:04.06 | phogg | joseph: I goess you could go to macromedia and get their plugin manually. |
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| 00:04.53 | phogg | pacopacino: I'm using postfix and I'm telling it to accept mail for any name that has a corrosponding user in /etc/passwd with uids between 1000 and whatever. |
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| 00:05.01 | fabsoft | _shane, have u valid permission ? |
| 00:05.24 | joseph | phogg: Okay i downloaded the plugin. But now I can't get the apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree thing to ask me for the location of the already downloaded binary. |
| 00:05.26 | robin__ | pacopacino, vpopmail allows you to create multiple email accounts from a web interface, both for real users and other accounts, as yo see fit |
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| 00:05.42 | phogg | joseph: --reinstall |
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| 00:05.55 | phogg | joseph: or maybe dpkg-reconfigure would do it, can't remember |
| 00:06.11 | pacopacino | phogg, so you have your own domain name, and with postfix, your using it as a mail client or mail server? |
| 00:06.25 | prock | how can I force ssh to read the password from ssh-askpass (graphical) even when I run ssh from the terminal? |
| 00:06.25 | _shane | fabsoft: I have dialout permissions (the same as the group of ttyS?) |
| 00:06.43 | abrotman | _shane: you're in the dip group ? does the modem respond as root ? |
| 00:07.04 | robin__ | sigh .. but anyway, my CUPS stil wont print |
| 00:07.29 | phogg | pacopacino: ... Your question is baffling. I have a domain. That domain is associated with a box. That box runs postfix. Local users on that box are provided email services as username@mydomain.net. They use their own mail clients which may run on the box or may access remotely via pop or imap. |
| 00:07.32 | fabsoft | _shane, try echo AT > /dev/ttyS0; cat /dev/ttyS0 |
| 00:07.58 | IceTox | brb |
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| 00:08.05 | clem_yeats | did you notice that users couldn't write iso files to CD through gnomebaker by default.. ? requires root privileges ? |
| 00:08.24 | joseph | phogg: the dpkg-reconfigure works, but when I type in the directory where the flash binary is located, it says the same error "checking http//macromedia.rediris.es/tarball/debian/...No new version is detected". |
| 00:08.44 | chealer | wow...I hate spamming, but people should get a look at planet.debian.org |
| 00:08.57 | abrotman | chealer: what's the date tomorrow? |
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| 00:09.18 | _shane | fabsoft: no that doesn't work the terminal just stops. |
| 00:09.27 | pacopacino | phogg, so you can use post-fix to use your domain to respond to requests from users for e-mail services even if they do not have a user account on the box? |
| 00:09.28 | petemc | chealer: kde thing? its happening to most planets |
| 00:09.39 | abrotman | petemc: no .. "Linus" is now a DD |
| 00:09.43 | petemc | ah, right |
| 00:10.00 | phogg | pacopacino: I could, but I don't. I require a local account on the box. You can set it up however you like. |
| 00:10.03 | opc0de | hey I just compiled and installed a new 2.6.15-1 kernel and added RAID-1 support built in, yet I can't boot.. I get something like "VFS couldn't mount root filesystem on hd(0,0)".. could this because I didn't use initrd? I notice the kernel I have that came with the system uses initrd.. |
| 00:10.19 | chealer | abrotman: LOL |
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| 00:10.32 | fabsoft | umh |
| 00:10.44 | Azar | this is troubling me: I only have the X open, one terminal running "top" and gkrellm. However here is what I see in top Mem: 516416k total, 470388k used, 46028k free, 75112k buffer. What can keep so much memory in use ? |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | opc0de: why did you compile a kernel ? |
| 00:10.58 | abrotman | !tell Azar about free ram |
| 00:10.59 | chealer | abrotman: as an excuse, I was just got out of bed from a phone call |
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| 00:11.07 | Azar | thanks abrotman |
| 00:11.20 | robin__ | pacopacino, look at vpopmail ... it sounds like what you need |
| 00:11.25 | abrotman | chealer: sure sure |
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| 00:12.19 | phogg | so, uh... does this mean Linus has endorsed a distribution? Isn't that bad? |
| 00:12.29 | opc0de | abrotman: cause all the raid howtos I've read said that I need raid support built into the kernel.. |
| 00:12.50 | abrotman | opc0de: did it ever occur to you that the Debian packaged kernel already had it? |
| 00:12.53 | joseph | I can't get flashplugin-nonfree to install on my system. Would anyone help please/ |
| 00:13.00 | abrotman | why not? |
| 00:13.21 | joseph | It always says: Checking new upstream release... |
| 00:13.21 | joseph | I: checking http://macromedia.rediris.es/tarball/debian/... |
| 00:13.21 | joseph | No new version is detected. ( = not installed) |
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| 00:13.30 | opc0de | abrotman: no, because I don't have /proc/mdstat on my system |
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| 00:13.48 | opc0de | "If your system has RAID support, you should have a file called /proc/mdstat. Remember it, that file is your friend. If you do not have that file, maybe your kernel does not have RAID support. See what the contains, by doing a cat /proc/mdstat. It should tell you that you have the right RAID personality (eg. RAID mode) registered, and that no RAID devices are currently active." |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | opc0de: you have to load modules maybe ? |
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| 00:14.17 | _shane | opc0de: I believe you need to start md to get it. |
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| 00:14.33 | opc0de | abrotman: "You will need to enable RAID support, and then set RAID-1 support to be compiled into the kernel (it cannot be a module if you want to boot from it)" |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | opc0de: how old is that howto ? |
| 00:15.13 | abrotman | !find raid1.ko sarge |
| 00:15.18 | opc0de | one of the howtos is http://www.doorbot.com/guides/linux/x86/grubraid/ |
| 00:15.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'raid1.ko' (4 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/md/raid1.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/md/raid1.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/md/raid1.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7-smp/kernel/drivers/md/raid1.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp. |
| 00:15.25 | opc0de | that's the one that says it needs to be compiled into the kernel |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | look at that |
| 00:15.30 | opc0de | I have no idea how old it is |
| 00:15.35 | cleric | guys, I have a question about getting public_html working on debian. Are there any special file permissions needed? I've done the correct settings in the apache2.conf and restarted but a 403 error keeps coming up. What gives? |
| 00:15.43 | Azar | yea with recent kernels and distros, old howto's now ask you to do the old hard way |
| 00:15.58 | opc0de | abrotman: do you have a more up to date howto for configuring software raid with debian? |
| 00:16.05 | phogg | joseph: Seems like it may not be on the site any more. Just get it manually. |
| 00:16.17 | abrotman | opc0de: nah .. i don't use sw raid |
| 00:16.22 | abrotman | !software raid |
| 00:16.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 00:16.24 | _shane | fabsoft: ? |
| 00:16.26 | opc0de | cleric: your permissions are probably wrong on public_html |
| 00:16.41 | cleric | they're chmod 755 |
| 00:16.51 | opc0de | abrotman: what kinda raid card do you use? |
| 00:16.57 | cleric | :\ |
| 00:17.08 | opc0de | abrotman: I was thinking of getting one of these 3ware raid cards.. |
| 00:17.12 | joseph | phogg: yes I did get it manually and I specified the directory that the file is located in....but I still get that error. |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | opc0de: i've used ServeRAID, LSI, Adaptec, Megaraid .. all scsi though |
| 00:17.28 | opc0de | cleric: you should have chmod 755 on public_html |
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| 00:17.45 | ootput | how long did it take the previous unstable to get to testing? |
| 00:17.47 | fabsoft | _shane, seem the modem does not response to initialize string |
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| 00:17.53 | ootput | from sid -> etch? |
| 00:17.53 | opc0de | abrotman: yeah I'm probably gonna go with SATA.. I wanted to go software raid cause I've got two large IDE drives ready to be used |
| 00:17.56 | bucky | ootput: forever |
| 00:17.57 | phogg | joseph: No, not manual download + package. *manually* |
| 00:18.09 | cleric | opc0de: it is 755 right now. This is why I'm perplexed |
| 00:18.12 | bucky | it's still trying to get there |
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| 00:18.22 | _shane | fabsoft: is there any thing I can do |
| 00:18.30 | abrotman | opc0de: are you going to boot off them ? |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | cleric: and what is your $HOME ? |
| 00:18.48 | joseph | phogg: you mean according to the instructions on the macromedia site, right/ |
| 00:19.09 | opc0de | abrotman: yes, I want to be able to boot off them.. this is for an asterisk pbx phone system server.. I just need to have the data mirrored in case one HD fails |
| 00:19.27 | cleric | opcode: /home/c/cleric (the apache config was also adjusted so that /home/c/*/public_html was an acceptable place for the public_html |
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| 00:19.37 | abrotman | cleric: i meant the permissions on $HOME |
| 00:19.38 | brandini | hey scarynetworkguy!!!! |
| 00:19.45 | scarynetworkguy | Hey!! |
| 00:19.50 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:20.00 | phogg | joseph: Yes. Or totally by hand, if you don't trust them. |
| 00:20.00 | brandini | scarynetworkguy is cool and I wanted to say hi to him |
| 00:20.03 | opc0de | cleric: the logs for apache can be helpful |
| 00:20.09 | scarynetworkguy | brandini: abrotman is also cool. |
| 00:20.12 | opc0de | cleric: I usually consult the logs to find out exactly what's going on |
| 00:20.15 | brandini | hey abrotman!!! |
| 00:20.28 | brandini | don't worry, I'm no troll |
| 00:20.40 | bab_ | Is it possible to not install Mesa, when installing Debian? |
| 00:20.41 | brandini | I may smell like one... |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | i know brandini ? |
| 00:20.59 | cleric | abrotman: /home is 755 and /home/c/cleric is 755 as well |
| 00:21.02 | brandini | abrotman: nope ;) |
| 00:21.08 | fabsoft | _shane, dont know, maybe is modem broken ? |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | cleric: what is /home/c/ ? |
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| 00:21.36 | joseph | phogg: Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, |
| 00:21.36 | joseph | or Opera browser. What is this for Debian using epiphany? |
| 00:21.36 | phogg | bab_: if your default install included mesa you are not using debian or you chose to install something that needs it |
| 00:21.37 | bucky | abrotman: you knew brandini when she was a man |
| 00:21.40 | brandini | abrotman: I'm scarynetworkguy's cool friend from #openbsd |
| 00:21.41 | opc0de | cleric: did you check the apache logs? |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | brandini: i know that is a lie for two reasons .. scarynetworkguy has no friends .. and there are no cool people in #openbsd |
| 00:22.13 | cleric | opc0de: No, I have no idea how actually - I thought the indicative "FORBIDDEN, You don't have permission to access /~cleric on this server" was enough. |
| 00:22.19 | phogg | joseph: A smart follow like you ought to be able to deduce this. Reall they;'re asking for a directory such that $thatdir/plugins is in your browser plugins path. |
| 00:22.22 | brandini | oh, right, I'm the guy from #openbsd that scarynetworkguy breaks chairs on |
| 00:22.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:22.27 | brandini | ;) |
| 00:22.32 | _shane | fabsoft: I don't know not my hardware. As Linux seems to be finding the hardware, it should be working now, correct? |
| 00:22.39 | opc0de | abrotman: are you sure you can use raid1 as a kernel module and still boot from the drives? |
| 00:22.42 | brandini | 743 people in here!! |
| 00:22.43 | Peer | anyone that can tell me how to change vidcard drivers on debian? |
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| 00:22.54 | abrotman | opc0de: you're supposed to be able to .. but i don't use sw raid ... |
| 00:22.55 | joseph | well i don't know what my browser plugins path is/ how would i know that/ |
| 00:22.59 | bab_ | hmmm... might the ATI driver installer install mesa? |
| 00:22.59 | abrotman | !drxx peer |
| 00:22.59 | dpkg | peer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 00:23.01 | cleric | abrotman: /home/c/cleric is just how the system adds accounts, in a directory of that users first character /home/a/allan or /home/j/jennifer |
| 00:23.08 | opc0de | cleric: the logs are usually in /var/log/apache/access.log or error.log.. you can set the location of the log files from within apache |
| 00:23.12 | brandini | it's been swell... I'm off to hack the kernel |
| 00:23.15 | _shane | brandini: 743 loged in, some might not be reading at the moment. |
| 00:23.18 | abrotman | cleric: what are the perms on the directory? |
| 00:23.19 | Peer | ty |
| 00:23.21 | cleric | opc0de: thank you, I will look there. |
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| 00:23.24 | cleric | abrotman: all 755 |
| 00:23.29 | joseph | "/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox" is that my browser plugin path? |
| 00:23.30 | phogg | Peer: edir xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 and modprobe the applicable kernel module for your card. |
| 00:23.32 | fabsoft | _shane, in fact |
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| 00:23.55 | abrotman | cleric: are you trying to get to http://host/~cleric/ or http://host/~cleric/index.html ? |
| 00:24.00 | Peer | i accidentally chose vesa, now stuck with 640x480 |
| 00:24.00 | _shane | fabsoft: thats a yes isn't it? |
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| 00:24.13 | Peer | i'm gonna try yer tip |
| 00:24.14 | beetlepun | is there a linuxconf standard for debian? |
| 00:24.15 | phogg | joseph: I no longer remember how it is by default because I have changed to much. My advice: Try it and see what happens. |
| 00:24.16 | opc0de | damn, this kernel recompile is taking like an hour on a 3ghz machine.. Is there any way to get it to not recompile every time I change an option? |
| 00:24.17 | abrotman | joseph: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ |
| 00:24.26 | beetlepun | useradd or adduser is not creating the users' home directory |
| 00:24.27 | abrotman | beetlepun: a what to do what ? |
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| 00:24.53 | phogg | opc0de: if you don't make clean then it only recompiles what it needs to |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | beetlepun: adduser certainly should |
| 00:25.04 | opc0de | phogg: I didn't make clean, and it's recompiled _everything_ |
| 00:25.04 | cleric | abrotman: http://domain.name.tld/~cleric/(and index.html) even going by http://ip_address/~cleric/ doesn't like working. |
| 00:25.07 | cleric | brb, checking logs :D |
| 00:25.14 | abrotman | logs are good |
| 00:25.33 | _shane | beetlepun: check in /boot/config* |
| 00:25.34 | opc0de | logs are god |
| 00:25.37 | beetlepun | abrotman, try adduser webtester .. |
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| 00:26.14 | joseph | flash plugin didn't work |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | beetlepun: and what? |
| 00:26.42 | bucky | joseph: did you restart your browser? |
| 00:26.44 | Peer | hrm, everytime i type an s in teh console, it puts sw ?? |
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| 00:26.56 | joseph | bucky: yes I even logged out and back in |
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| 00:27.07 | abrotman | beetlepun: works correctly on my machine |
| 00:27.07 | beetlepun | abrotman, well it worked with adduser betaman .. I'll have to see what's going on.. :/ |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:27.32 | bucky | joseph: is this mozilla? |
| 00:27.32 | beetlepun | _shane: what CONFIG should i look for ? |
| 00:27.39 | joseph | bucky: no epiphany |
| 00:28.01 | cleric | abrotman: opc0de: this is the error: client denied by server configuration: /home/c/cleric/public_html |
| 00:28.12 | joseph | I didn't have gsfonts-x11 maybe that's why |
| 00:28.16 | beetlepun | _shane, I know my kernel config file-- you saying there's a var for home creation directories ? |
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| 00:28.22 | abrotman | wtf doess /boot/ have to do with adduser? |
| 00:28.24 | cluck | is there any package of gtkwebcore? |
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| 00:28.36 | joseph | nope still doesn't work after installing gsfonts-x11 |
| 00:28.39 | abrotman | cleric: guess you have somewhere to start .. check your apache config |
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| 00:28.49 | abrotman | !find gtkwebcore sid |
| 00:28.54 | Peer | anyone a clue why debian adds a W everytime i type an S ? |
| 00:28.55 | cluck | (preferably a full blown gtk browser ;D) |
| 00:28.59 | opc0de | cleric: are you using apache2? |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | Peer: your keyboard is messed ? |
| 00:29.03 | beetlepun | abrotman, who takes care of the bot? |
| 00:29.05 | Peer | bit annoying to backspace that evey time |
| 00:29.05 | cleric | opc0de: I am. |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | beetlepun: who owns it or who adds data? |
| 00:29.19 | Peer | only in console ? |
| 00:29.32 | _shane | beetlepun: all i know is that there is usally in /boot/ there are the config<version> files used to create the standard kernals |
| 00:29.43 | Peer | i type su, and i get swu |
| 00:29.51 | opc0de | do you have a symlink to userdir.conf in mods-enabled? |
| 00:29.58 | abrotman | why does beetlepun need to change his kernel config for adduser? |
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| 00:30.02 | psy_33ans | hi |
| 00:30.08 | beetlepun | abrotman, I just want to make a suggestion, there's an journal attribute for >2G .. I think somepeople don't have this set-- (it may be the 3.1 installer that doesn't set it by default).. some people were getting 2G file disconnections.. |
| 00:30.15 | cleric | opc0de: let me check that, it should however. |
| 00:30.20 | psy_33ans | i wan to configure my network |
| 00:30.38 | psy_33ans | i modify my /etc/hosts |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | beetlepun: for what app ? |
| 00:30.49 | _shane | I have setup a firewall on my laptop is there a way I can test it, maybe from another computer on the LAN. |
| 00:30.50 | beetlepun | abrotman, probably konqueror.. |
| 00:31.01 | beetlepun | abrotman, tune2fs has an option for it |
| 00:31.06 | cleric | opc0de: yes, it looks like this: 40 Mar 24 17:36 userdir.conf -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf |
| 00:31.06 | psy_33ans | i configure my eth0 |
| 00:31.11 | abrotman | beetlepun: you could file a bug |
| 00:31.11 | unity | _shane: maybe use telnet and try to connect to it on various ports |
| 00:31.19 | unity | does anyone know how to print a dvi file? |
| 00:31.22 | psy_33ans | but when i ping my hostname is ping on 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:31.22 | cleric | ah, hold on opc0de :D |
| 00:31.33 | bucky | joseph: do you have flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 00:31.37 | beetlepun | abrotman, well in case anyone comes across 2G transfer issues, there's that tag they can look into.. |
| 00:31.58 | _shane | unity: I will try, isn't .dvi files video? |
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| 00:32.07 | abrotman | beetlepun: there are a few .. some are NFS .. some CIFS .. some are one of the FTPDs .. i think apache has an issue also |
| 00:32.21 | centrx | unity, if you have X, you can use xdvi which has a print command |
| 00:32.27 | unity | _shane: "device inpedndent" |
| 00:33.07 | unity | centrx: what do you mean by a "command" ? |
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| 00:33.16 | unity | _shane: you may have been thinking of dv files |
| 00:33.23 | centrx | unity, you open up the file with xdvi and there is a button that says print |
| 00:33.36 | _shane | unity: ok |
| 00:33.37 | bab_ | When I tell package manager to remover Mesa, it says it has to remove the x window sys core, plus about 1000 other programs, that appearently depend on Mesa. Are you sure Mesa is installed by default? |
| 00:33.49 | centrx | unity, a menu command, File->Print |
| 00:34.01 | cleric | opc0de: yeah, userdir.conf is in mods-enabled (symlinked) all entries for the directory look like /home/c/*/public_html as well. permissions are 755 on all directories, apache2 has been restarted. still a 'Forbidden' warning |
| 00:34.18 | unity | centrx: i don't see the print button...and there is no file menu |
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| 00:35.01 | cleric | opc0de: abrotman: your help so far has been appreciated. |
| 00:35.30 | centrx | unity, you are using the "xdvi" program that is in the tetex-bin package? |
| 00:35.32 | abrotman | get it working ? |
| 00:35.34 | cleric | I'll dig further into the .conf files etc in the mean time |
| 00:35.36 | cleric | abrotman: no :( |
| 00:35.40 | cleric | unfortunately not |
| 00:36.33 | beetlepun | what to use for >8 chars for listings with 'who' ? .. dam I forgot :/.. |
| 00:36.37 | vook | anyone know if an nntp client that supports ssl? curses or gui, makes no difference to me. |
| 00:36.38 | jerome | cleric: check the logs, maybe you'll find detailled warnings |
| 00:36.41 | eeyore- | eew, /. celebrates 4/1 too early |
| 00:36.42 | centrx | unity, on mine, it is on the right side of the window |
| 00:36.49 | jerome | cleric: if not, increase apache verbosity |
| 00:37.02 | opc0de | cleric: do you have an .htaccess in your dir? |
| 00:37.11 | cleric | opc0de: no .htaccess |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | beetlepun: COLUMNS=200 who ? |
| 00:37.24 | unity | centrx: xdvik version 22.40v ? |
| 00:37.28 | cleric | jerome: verbosity? I'll dig for that as well |
| 00:37.41 | jerome | cleric: search for loglevel |
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| 00:37.46 | beetlepun | abrotman, actually I think there is another cmd, but not last |
| 00:37.50 | cleric | jerome: alright |
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| 00:38.11 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I'm in #openbsd. Oh wait. I just proved your point, didn't I? |
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| 00:38.28 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: hehe |
| 00:38.28 | joseph | anyone recommend a firewall program for debian/ |
| 00:38.28 | jerome | cleric: what url are you pointing to ? |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | beetlepun: does it work or not ? |
| 00:38.38 | jerome | cleric: /c/~user ? |
| 00:38.46 | centrx | 22.84.9 |
| 00:38.55 | beetlepun | beetlepun, no, actually I'm running my terminal session from another station |
| 00:39.02 | cleric | jerome: it goes to domain.tld/~cleric |
| 00:39.21 | centrx | unity, anyway, you can also convert it into a PS or a PDF file which you can print |
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| 00:39.39 | jerome | cleric: did ln -s userdir.load too |
| 00:39.40 | jerome | ? |
| 00:39.53 | jerome | did you* |
| 00:39.53 | beetlepun | centrx, setting up a printer is tough, what package works better, lpd or cups ? |
| 00:39.55 | opc0de | joseph: iptables |
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| 00:40.07 | dionoea | hello |
| 00:40.08 | kbrooks | Debian is saying bye bye to apt-get and saying hello to rpm. |
| 00:40.10 | dionoea | The following packages will be REMOVED: base-config |
| 00:40.12 | kbrooks | in 5 seconds |
| 00:40.15 | dionoea | is this normal ? amd64 |
| 00:40.16 | unity | centrx: i think i will convert to ps with dvips but then again i don't know much about lpr |
| 00:40.25 | cleric | jerome: yup, that's all ther |
| 00:40.27 | cleric | there* |
| 00:40.30 | unity | centrx: the man page seems to have like 1% of the arguments it actually takes |
| 00:40.35 | beetlepun | joseph, and if you fiddled with your kernel, you'll have to double check your config network settings.. |
| 00:40.35 | joseph | opc0de: smart |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | kbrooks: does that mean you won't come back here anymore? |
| 00:40.47 | kbrooks | DEBIAN is abolishing .deb and switching to .rpm |
| 00:40.48 | curt | heya |
| 00:40.55 | centrx | unity, yea i usually just use a viewing program unless it is a plain text file |
| 00:41.04 | kbrooks | abrotman, april fools |
| 00:41.05 | joseph | no i mean just a firewall program for non-nerds..something that sets up iptables for me. |
| 00:41.13 | abrotman | shit .. and you got my hopes up |
| 00:41.28 | beetlepun | joseph, you can look for gui fronts-- but they may cause havoc.. |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | jerome: in some versions of debian |
| 00:41.42 | curt | is it possible to apt-get --purge --reinstall install so as to purge without removing. dependancies() |
| 00:41.54 | jerome | abrotman: on sid, obviously :) |
| 00:41.59 | beetlepun | joseph, so far from what i read, the cmd line is the safest.. |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | curt: you can just --reinstall |
| 00:42.33 | kbrooks | abrotman, i also hear that on april 2, debian will be invisible |
| 00:42.44 | abrotman | good .. now go away |
| 00:42.50 | joseph | beetlepun: yes but i don't have the time to invest in creating a cmd line iptables policy |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | shouldn't you be in #ubuntu ? |
| 00:43.00 | curt | abrotman, that keeps the user data. Evolution is crapping out on me, freezing in formating message etc etc |
| 00:43.08 | beetlepun | joseph, try kde firewall, something might burp up with apt-cache search |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | curt: you don't read planet.d.n do you ? |
| 00:43.21 | curt | abrotman, no usually |
| 00:43.24 | cleric | abrotman: jerome: opc0de: thanks for your time, I'll see if I can figure it out another time. It's getting too frustrating since I don't understand it like I thought I did. I'll be around later |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | curt: go there .. and search the page for 'malloc' |
| 00:43.36 | curt | abrotman, ok |
| 00:43.48 | beetlepun | joseph, I hope you know what I meant ;) |
| 00:44.13 | joseph | yes |
| 00:44.18 | joseph | what about firestarter? heard of that? |
| 00:44.47 | beetlepun | joseph, y, that's gtk... |
| 00:45.01 | joseph | yes I'm on gnome so gtk is okay right |
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| 00:45.06 | curt | abrotman, you know .. I read the bts too .. they coulds put that in there .. for an fyi at least |
| 00:45.08 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:45.29 | abrotman | curt: i think it is .. just not on evolution |
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| 00:45.34 | beetlepun | joseph, you can always do an iptables cmd list to check things are alright.. |
| 00:46.03 | beetlepun | what are you firewalling? |
| 00:46.06 | curt | abrotman, thanks though |
| 00:46.08 | beetlepun | joseph,what are you firewalling? |
| 00:46.12 | abrotman | curt: does it work now ? |
| 00:46.28 | curt | abrotman, I'll about to check here in a sec |
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| 00:46.36 | joseph | beetlepun: not firewalling anything specific. just thought i needed a firewall for general security reasons. |
| 00:47.09 | beetlepun | joseph, if you want security, turn off icmp , sysctl.conf file |
| 00:47.25 | beetlepun | joseph, and use squid for a proxy gate |
| 00:47.43 | petemc | beetlepun: how does turning off icmp help security? |
| 00:47.53 | curt | abrotman, yes .. that fixes evo nicely. |
| 00:48.05 | beetlepun | petemc, less visibilty i guess |
| 00:48.16 | abrotman | curt: i think a few other gnome-ish apps are affected |
| 00:48.31 | abrotman | petemc: don't you know .. blocking pings improves security! |
| 00:48.48 | petemc | aye.. |
| 00:49.09 | curt | abrotman, maybe I should start reading planet.d.n at lunch instead of the oddly enough columns |
| 00:49.13 | beetlepun | petemc, ICMP is useless anyways, at least for small simple home routers |
| 00:49.43 | petemc | beetlepun: dont be ridiculous |
| 00:49.53 | beetlepun | abrotman, actually it just silences, icmp requests are not responded, rather than blocked, I think there can be firewall rules to block icmp though.. |
| 00:49.58 | abrotman | curt: i think there's an RSS feed |
| 00:50.05 | yumeng | hi, all. How to update reiserfs to 4 from 3.6 version? |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | beetlepun: you're missing the point |
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| 00:50.21 | abrotman | yumeng: save yourself time .. delete your data now :) |
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| 00:50.57 | beetlepun | petemc, who's be "ridiculed", you or me? I get ping scans then port scans too numerous times, turning off ping, helps thwart away attackers.. |
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| 00:51.38 | yumeng | abrotman: ?? |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | beetlepun: it does no such thing |
| 00:52.25 | beetlepun | petemc, well that's my simple reason I do it, it's some's opinions.. |
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| 00:53.05 | grendal_prime | hey i got this problem wiht a netgear wireless card...damn thing just will not work.. now i know it use to work..but now....nanda |
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| 00:53.19 | grendal_prime | and i have two of them |
| 00:53.29 | grendal_prime | bought them originally because the DID work |
| 00:53.35 | grendal_prime | ma 401s ? |
| 00:53.42 | grendal_prime | anyone else have one of these ? |
| 00:53.54 | Wild_Joe | hey guys would anyone like to help me do something suposidly easy i have tried like 70 times to upgrade kernal to 2.6 and every time it does not come back |
| 00:54.05 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: how are you doing it? |
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| 00:54.32 | grendal_prime | ive looked all over google...aparently they do work..but i cant seem to get what people are suggesting |
| 00:54.41 | Wild_Joe | off a website full of instructions abrotman |
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| 00:54.46 | Peer | abrotman, havin a great desktop now in 1024*768, u rawk :) |
| 00:54.46 | unstable | Wild_Joe: wrong way to do it. |
| 00:54.52 | unstable | Wild_Joe: What version of debian are you using? |
| 00:55.12 | grendal_prime | testing...im taking bets |
| 00:55.14 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: that's not very specific |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | Peer: glad to hear |
| 00:55.26 | Peer | tyvm |
| 00:55.29 | Wild_Joe | ubuh-huntuh abrotman can i post the url ? |
| 00:55.41 | grendal_prime | oooo dude |
| 00:55.42 | unstable | !ubuntu |
| 00:55.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 00:55.51 | abrotman | unstable: you tard .. it was a misfire on your nick |
| 00:55.53 | Wild_Joe | ubuh-huntuh Linux Sensors 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: how are you trying to upgrade? |
| 00:56.29 | grendal_prime | you just got in the line of ubunto users who get kicked in the nuts at the next convention |
| 00:56.38 | unstable | abrotman: o, haha |
| 00:56.38 | Wild_Joe | atpget -install |
| 00:57.05 | Wild_Joe | wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.8.1.tar.bz2 |
| 00:57.21 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: what is your CPU ? |
| 00:57.22 | Wild_Joe | then make menuconfig |
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| 00:57.45 | Wild_Joe | yes abrotman |
| 00:58.07 | Wild_Joe | abrotman Linux Sensors 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: no .. what CPU does your computer have? |
| 00:59.06 | unstable | Wild_Joe: What does uname -r show you? |
| 00:59.23 | Wild_Joe | Sensors:~# uname -r |
| 00:59.23 | Wild_Joe | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:59.23 | Wild_Joe | Sensors:~# |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | unstable: it's quite obvious .. and that doesn't answer my question |
| 00:59.39 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: one more time .. what cpu is in your machine ? |
| 00:59.46 | Wild_Joe | p4 |
| 00:59.51 | abrotman | Thanks |
| 00:59.58 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:01.33 | Wild_Joe | abrotman apt getting now |
| 01:02.03 | pacopacino | i am trying to set up sendmail to use as a mta for my domain. the site i am using to help me set it up says " Open webmin (sendmail.cw) Add your domain name to this file." where can i find the file 'sendmail.cw'? |
| 01:02.03 | grendal_prime | anybody on the wireless pcmcia prob? |
| 01:02.03 | Wild_Joe | so now if i reboot it should be upgraded ? |
| 01:02.13 | grendal_prime | netgear ma 401 |
| 01:02.56 | grendal_prime | pacopacino, if your going to use webmin for that...you are going to have to use it from that point on |
| 01:03.13 | grendal_prime | also...just so you know sendmail. well its not the easyest thing in the world to maintain |
| 01:03.45 | grendal_prime | how many users are you planning on that thing working for? |
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| 01:04.43 | phogg | pacopacino: I *strongly* recommend using postfix and not sendmail unless for some reason you are forced to use sendmail. |
| 01:05.19 | Wild_Joe | abrotman now that really fries me |
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| 01:05.32 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: ? |
| 01:05.36 | Wild_Joe | abrotman i have tried 70 or so times and it was just that simple |
| 01:05.36 | pacopacino | phogg, i will try postfix |
| 01:05.41 | grendal_prime | grendal_prime, concurs with phogg |
| 01:05.48 | Wild_Joe | abrotman thanks allot |
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| 01:05.50 | Wild_Joe | :) |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | !tell Wild_Joe about grounding |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | Wild_Joe: have a nice evening :) |
| 01:06.03 | phogg | pacopacino: you will not regret it. It is also much easier to configure, IMO |
| 01:06.15 | grendal_prime | i use exim |
| 01:07.09 | pacopacino | phogg, now i got all these user accounts on my computer i dont want |
| 01:07.34 | grendal_prime | exim default install on sarge i think. i use it with clamav and spamassasin well clamassasin |
| 01:07.42 | phogg | pacopacino: eh? What accounts? |
| 01:07.44 | pacopacino | with sendmail, when i added a username, it automatically added a user account |
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| 01:08.03 | grendal_prime | pacopacino, changing mail transports should not have any effect on that? |
| 01:08.42 | grendal_prime | whith that last statement i might suggest that email servers may be well just a bit over your head |
| 01:09.14 | grendal_prime | and pacopacino sendmail is going to give you weaks worth of headack |
| 01:09.21 | grendal_prime | sorry weeks |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | weeks |
| 01:09.37 | pacopacino | i will take your word for it |
| 01:09.37 | grendal_prime | you owe me a coke |
| 01:09.45 | pacopacino | yes i do |
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| 01:12.22 | pacopacino | the next step after installing postfix is editing the '/etc/postfix/main.cf' file? |
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| 01:13.54 | phogg | pacopacino: yes. Read a postfix tutoria; |
| 01:13.56 | el_alexluna | hi all |
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| 01:14.32 | el_alexluna | who has installed staroffice 8 on sarge? |
| 01:14.35 | phogg | one day I will /nick all and then get offended when people do that |
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| 01:14.41 | DAaaMan64 | I just tried to install linux to an HDD USB but the kernal panics on boot, is there anything I can do? |
| 01:15.30 | DAaaMan64 | I installed it to the MBR on that disk and then restarted with USB boot, it gets to the boot loader but when it tries to load the kernal, it panics. |
| 01:15.46 | eeyore- | pacopacino: and repeat as often as needed :-) configuring MTA's can be complex |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:16.07 | DAaaMan64 | I am screwed probably huh? |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | !usb-install |
| 01:16.14 | dpkg | methinks usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 01:16.25 | grendal_prime | ya....its right up there next to getting kicked in the nuts...(configureing mail transports that is) |
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| 01:17.02 | DAaaMan64 | yes my computer can boot from USB but when it loads the image it then panics saying unknown fs. |
| 01:17.17 | grendal_prime | exim seems easy enough. i mean, i used a whitesheet to set up what i wanted mine to do, so it was fairly easy |
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| 01:17.22 | moshii | if anyone wants an encrypted usb debian get in touch :) |
| 01:17.41 | moshii | DAaaMan64: using usb-zip to boot the drive? |
| 01:17.53 | eeyore- | moshii: 'encrypted usb debian'? |
| 01:17.56 | grendal_prime | moshii, not really but a working netgear ma 401 pcmcia card would be great |
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| 01:18.06 | deepspace | Can anyone point me to a guide for getting perl scripts to run on Apache 2? I've been googling, tweaking my sites-enabled settings, everything, and it keeps wanting me to download the file. I can't get it to execute. Would have thought there'd be a lot of docs on this but am having trouble finding anything for Apache 2. |
| 01:18.07 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: I tried USB-HDD and FDD not usb zip, this is a hdd in an enclosure |
| 01:18.24 | cafuego_ | grendal_prime: What chipset does that have? |
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| 01:18.40 | pacopacino | phogg, when i run the main.cf file, for 'my server,' do i jst leave the default 'localhost.localdomain' if i am installing post-fix on the web server box? |
| 01:18.55 | grendal_prime | believe its the prism2 ...and ya i tried the cs packages with no luck |
| 01:18.59 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: do I need to try usb-zip? |
| 01:18.59 | moshii | eeyore-: I've made an installer (uses debootstrap), booter and rescue system for debian on most usb mass storage devices |
| 01:19.08 | Wild_Joe | !kernel-headers |
| 01:19.20 | phogg | pacopacino: get a postfix tutorial/documentation |
| 01:19.28 | moshii | DAaaMan64: yeah, your drive might not have the right block sizes though |
| 01:19.31 | pacopacino | phogg, ok |
| 01:19.32 | grendal_prime | Utility programs for Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3 that is |
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| 01:19.44 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: I am screwed? |
| 01:19.52 | moshii | DAaaMan64: ah, you're using a usb hdd? |
| 01:19.56 | pacopacino | phogg, i actually am reading one, and it didnt specify |
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| 01:20.08 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: yes a ide harddrive in a usb 2.0 enclosure |
| 01:20.34 | zaphod | so I am trying to get a package (http://ftp.gnome.org/debian/pool/main/a/atk1.0/libatk1.0-0_1.11.3-1_i386.deb), I added 'deb http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/debian/ stable main' to sources.list, updated, and I still only have 1.0.8 available, any suggestions? |
| 01:20.38 | grendal_prime | cafuego_, you umm got one working? |
| 01:20.45 | moshii | DAaaMan64: your bios needs USB-HDD support |
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| 01:21.13 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: it does i have USB-HDD, USB-FDD, USB-ZIP |
| 01:21.25 | zaphod | 1.8.0 that is |
| 01:21.30 | moshii | DAaaMan64: have you installed debian on the drive already? |
| 01:21.58 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: yes, I installed linux, and grub to the mbr on that disk. |
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| 01:22.29 | moshii | DAaaMan64: is it loading the kernel with USB-HDD? |
| 01:22.49 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: yes it loads the kernal, but then the kernal panics. |
| 01:22.56 | DAaaMan64 | kernel* |
| 01:23.01 | moshii | DAaaMan64: the problem you will have is that the stock debian initrd isn't suited to mount a root that's attached to usb ;) |
| 01:23.17 | moshii | DAaaMan64: you need to get the usb modules into the initrd so that it can find it |
| 01:23.34 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: ok let me try some stuff, thanks. |
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| 01:24.35 | moshii | DAaaMan64: attach it to another system, chroot into it and fix up the yaird or mkinitramfs config :) |
| 01:24.44 | delysid25 | anyone have an idea why i log in to my testing box to find the fonts are huge? |
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| 01:28.46 | gnufan | !start an mta war |
| 01:28.46 | dpkg | postfix is a spam magnet |
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| 01:30.10 | gnufan | delysid25: I think we can conclude not -- what resolution is the screen set to... what changed -- if you did an update what packages were removed, installed? |
| 01:31.04 | moshii | hmm the instructions for usb booting on the debian pages won't work with most bios .. |
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| 01:31.50 | delysid25 | gnufan> happened yesterday after a dist-upgrade....checking the dpkg.log and cannot determine any package that can cause this |
| 01:32.01 | delysid25 | res the same 1024x768 |
| 01:32.32 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: The exact error is "kernal panic cannot mount on root partition at unknown block(0,0) What would the issue be? |
| 01:32.48 | gnufan | delysid25: tell us what packages probably a good start -- also is the timestamp on the X config file changed? |
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| 01:33.56 | pacopacino | phogg, i downloaded the post-fox doc using the apt method, but i cannot find it |
| 01:34.02 | cafuego_ | grendal_prime: my prism2 cards work fine yes, but they're original orinocos, not netgears. |
| 01:34.11 | moshii | DAaaMan64: your disk is attached to the machine via usb, and the kernel doesn't have usb support built in and the initrd doesn't have the modules |
| 01:34.12 | delysid25 | libpango, dbus, gcc, g++, python-libxml, xsltproc |
| 01:34.24 | delysid25 | to name a good portion |
| 01:34.26 | moshii | DAaaMan64: thus the kernel can't mount the root fs |
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| 01:34.49 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: ok, so let me see if I can find the right initrd |
| 01:35.50 | moshii | DAaaMan64: the initrd is built automagically, you need to add the usb modules into the configuration of yaird or mkinitramfs |
| 01:36.11 | delysid25 | sorry, i was holding my son and it made it hard to type |
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| 01:36.22 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: sounds like a project, how can I do this? |
| 01:36.32 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: or send me in the right direction. |
| 01:36.54 | delysid25 | libglib2 |
| 01:37.00 | _Atomo64_ | how can I see the info of one of my HDDs? 'cause I want to add an entry to /etc/hddtemp.db for one of my HDDs that is not listed there, but it supports S.M.A.R.T. |
| 01:37.29 | amphi | _Atomo64_: hdparm can read the model info off the disk |
| 01:37.31 | delysid25 | i think that may be the culprit |
| 01:37.33 | delysid25 | who knows |
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| 01:38.53 | moshii | DAaaMan64: I've said a few times ... Chroot into the system on the drive, adjust the initrd settings, and regenerate the initrd |
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| 01:39.28 | NxNxMox | hey guys |
| 01:39.38 | NxNxMox | i need some help with getting a new kernal |
| 01:39.40 | DAaaMan64 | moshii: of course I don't know how to do that. Any where that I can find out? |
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| 01:40.01 | delysid25 | i am beginning to think it has to do with the pango upgrade |
| 01:40.17 | NxNxMox | .config:16:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol CLEAN_COMPILE |
| 01:40.26 | NxNxMox | .config:34:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol KOBJECT_UEVENT |
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| 01:40.34 | NxNxMox | .config:147:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol ACPI_BOOT |
| 01:40.39 | NxNxMox | get a couple of pages |
| 01:40.45 | NxNxMox | of these errors |
| 01:40.56 | moshii | DAaaMan64: I don't know if there is much documentation for usb booting, the stuff on the debian pages wouldn't work on most bios .. I know I've done this for my degree ^^ |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | NxNxMox: ask #kernel |
| 01:41.14 | NxNxMox | k |
| 01:41.22 | DGauge | does Debian have a video player that plays avis? friend sent me a cd with avi movies on it and I can't get them to play |
| 01:41.24 | _Atomo64_ | amphi: tnxs... I'll try it right now |
| 01:41.32 | petemc | moshii: by most bios, do you mean any bios that doesnt support usb booting, or.. ? |
| 01:41.37 | moshii | DAaaMan64: avi is a container |
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| 01:42.24 | abrotman | !tell DGauge about w32codecs |
| 01:42.26 | moshii | petemc: most bios need usb drives to be setup with block sizes etc that are similar to zip disk.. just adding an mbr to a normal drive generally doesn't work |
| 01:43.03 | DGauge | I have kaffeine with the mplayer essentials package that it requires but when I try to play it says it can't find the plugin for the AVIs |
| 01:43.05 | grendal_prime | wow |
| 01:43.24 | grendal_prime | w32codecs |
| 01:43.49 | grendal_prime | !dpkg mplayer |
| 01:43.50 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 01:43.56 | moshii | petemc: a tool to prepare flash drives for booting is included with Syslinux though :) |
| 01:44.16 | unstable | DGauge: What do you get when you type "file thenameofthemoviefile.avi"? |
| 01:44.37 | DGauge | hang on |
| 01:44.40 | Azar | ..avian flu? |
| 01:44.44 | petemc | moshii: if you believe the install manual to be in error, you should file a bug |
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| 01:45.01 | moshii | petemc: I will, I've only just noticed it |
| 01:45.01 | _Atomo64_ | amphi: where can I get cfdisk? ... I used "apt-cache search cfdisk" and it gave me linhdd and gpart... and I installed gpart, but linhdd stills saying the same |
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| 01:46.27 | amphi | _Atomo64_: cfdisk is in the util-linux pacjage |
| 01:47.18 | DGauge | unstable: it outputs this -> HTML document text |
| 01:47.20 | _Atomo64_ | amphi: I already have it installed... |
| 01:48.14 | amphi | _Atomo64_: then you should have cfdisk in /sbin |
| 01:48.20 | grendal_prime | you know...i like these old compaq deskpros...they are snappy little machines...even the 333's |
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| 01:49.05 | _Atomo64_ | amphi: yes... it seems it's there |
| 01:49.10 | grendal_prime | im putting workstations on them..they have ati cards in them and only 96 megs of ram..but i think everytihng is built really close to the proc..i mean it is just snappy little machine |
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| 01:51.24 | grendal_prime | hey anyone got a good deal on some..64 meg sd ram mods |
| 01:51.38 | grendal_prime | sd..there the ones that drop straigh in right? |
| 01:51.45 | grendal_prime | straight that is |
| 01:51.52 | _Atomo64_ | amphi: lol... I just needed to launch it as root |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | grendal_prime: #hardware |
| 01:52.24 | grendal_prime | ahhh |
| 01:52.30 | grendal_prime | ok thanks |
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| 01:53.36 | abrotman | hey beta3 |
| 01:53.36 | dweb | asg, hey you there pubmaster? |
| 01:53.36 | dweb | hey abrotman |
| 01:53.40 | dweb | abrotman, good to see you here |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | asg has been quiet tonight |
| 01:53.52 | dweb | hmm |
| 01:53.57 | dweb | I haven't spoken to asg in months |
| 01:53.58 | Fluten | when i run sim city 3000, i get this error: sc3u: relocation error: sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 01:54.16 | Fluten | what has to be installed to remedy this? an older version of glibc? |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | i think you can do something like ASSUME_GLIB=2.0 .. but you'll have to google a bit |
| 01:56.33 | _Atomo64_ | how can I get the "ATTRIBUTE_ID from S.M.A.R.T." of a hdd? |
| 01:56.58 | tsukihime | i installed the alsa base, when i run alsaconf and it is about to finish i get this error /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
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| 01:58.39 | delysid25 | i think i have narrowed the huge fonts down to a gnome package that was upgraded yesterday...kde fonts look normal |
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| 02:00.40 | kainam | i just installed postfix, and i cannot start it .... i get "postfix-script: No such file or directory" :O |
| 02:00.45 | abrotman | delysid25: gtk1 or gtk2 ? |
| 02:00.51 | abrotman | !find postfix-script sarge |
| 02:00.54 | delysid25 | gtk2 |
| 02:00.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'postfix-script' (2): (/etc/postfix/postfix-script) in mail/postfix ;; (/usr/share/doc/postfix-doc/examples/postfix-script.gz) in doc/postfix-doc. |
| 02:01.15 | kainam | ???? O,o |
| 02:01.23 | delysid25 | i performed a dist-upgrade yesterday and now my fonts are huge in gnome and xfce4 |
| 02:01.46 | delysid25 | not kde |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | delysid25: try gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 02:02.46 | kainam | what is that telling me??? |
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| 02:03.03 | Kovecses | im having some problems with java on etch |
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| 02:03.38 | abrotman | !vague |
| 02:03.38 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 02:04.08 | Kovecses | typical from #debian |
| 02:04.21 | Kovecses | anyway |
| 02:04.34 | Kovecses | i was getting to the problem |
| 02:05.02 | fmasi | helo whod i know ho is logen in the system via textmod and how to make tem unlog ? |
| 02:05.03 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
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| 02:05.57 | Kovecses | java is installed and works in my web browser.... but the apps are working like like crap or not at all.... ive installed java a million times and was wondering if this was an etch issue? |
| 02:06.04 | m1ke_l | i just got an itanium and put debian on it...but apt-get gnome fails dependancies |
| 02:06.16 | m1ke_l | do the apps need to support Itanium as well as the os? |
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| 02:06.22 | Kovecses | m1ke_l: sid? |
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| 02:06.28 | m1ke_l | unstable |
| 02:06.29 | Stevie-O | gahhh |
| 02:06.34 | Stevie-O | heisenbugs suck!!!! |
| 02:06.36 | m1ke_l | works on this sparc just fine |
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| 02:06.48 | Stevie-O | this cgi script is going forever without terminating |
| 02:06.50 | Stevie-O | so i strace |
| 02:06.51 | Kovecses | m1ke_l: yes unstable will have broken dependencies from time to time |
| 02:07.00 | Stevie-O | and it terminates normally while i'm stracing. |
| 02:07.18 | m1ke_l | but is it based on the cpu? |
| 02:07.37 | Kovecses | m1ke_l: well different archs have different packages |
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| 02:08.05 | Fluten | how do i find out what caused a segmentation fault when i run a program? |
| 02:09.06 | m1ke_l | fluten: is there a debug option ? |
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| 02:12.06 | Fluten | m1ke_l, no |
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| 02:12.41 | Fluten | m1ke_l, its a commercial app, simcity 3000. before i installed a patch, it complained about libc, and afterwards, it just segfaults |
| 02:13.57 | Fluten | looks like the update is 6 years old though, so maybe thats why im still having problems |
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| 02:19.04 | Johnny_5 | i need to get into my kernel, but i seem to have forgot how to get in.... |
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| 02:19.18 | m1ke_l | get in? |
| 02:19.25 | Johnny_5 | to my kernel |
| 02:19.28 | m1ke_l | sorry fluten, i have no idea |
| 02:19.31 | Johnny_5 | inside |
| 02:19.36 | m1ke_l | to do what? |
| 02:19.46 | Johnny_5 | make adjustments |
| 02:19.48 | m1ke_l | make menuconfig? make xconfig? |
| 02:19.52 | m1ke_l | something like that? |
| 02:19.59 | Johnny_5 | from what dir |
| 02:20.00 | Johnny_5 | ?? |
| 02:20.14 | m1ke_l | where ever your kernel is |
| 02:20.18 | m1ke_l | /usr/src/linux usually |
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| 02:20.40 | dude | test |
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| 02:21.01 | Johnny_5 | no linux dir |
| 02:21.30 | m1ke_l | linux dir is usually a sym link to current kernel |
| 02:21.33 | m1ke_l | what is in /usr/src? |
| 02:21.36 | Azar | Johnny_5: what operating system are you using? |
| 02:21.50 | Fluten | m1ke_l, got it to run after telling it that i'm using an older kernel, but crashes after a while. ill contact the company about it tommorow |
| 02:21.51 | m1ke_l | do: cd /usr/src/'uname -r' |
| 02:21.52 | Johnny_5 | debian |
| 02:21.58 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 02:22.34 | m1ke_l | any military people here? |
| 02:22.47 | dafen | there's a problem, a virtue server has php 4.1.2 already installed, but however we wanted 5.1.10, and the server is running redhat 7.2 which we have no way to modify |
| 02:23.15 | dafen | tried downloading php 5.1.10 rpm package cannot install successfully |
| 02:23.19 | Azar | dafen install debian |
| 02:23.30 | dafen | dude, if I can why wouldn't I do it? |
| 02:23.46 | dafen | I would install debian on every single computer if I like |
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| 02:23.51 | Azar | dafen: then ask redhat |
| 02:23.57 | Azar | debian does not use rpm |
| 02:24.25 | m1ke_l | alien the rpm |
| 02:24.40 | Azar | dafen: sorry, I guess you did not notice: this is #debian channel |
| 02:24.40 | dafen | sign... my boss asked me to upgrade php |
| 02:24.43 | dafen | I know |
| 02:24.47 | dafen | I've been around for 2 years |
| 02:25.03 | Azar | you guys pay redhat for support they have to help you |
| 02:25.21 | dafen | they let me be the tech support, and I only know debian :( |
| 02:25.58 | Azar | mike_1 he is using redhat, how come alien the rpm? |
| 02:26.15 | Azar | dafen: then learn redhat, forget about debian |
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| 02:26.34 | dafen | sigh.... redhat sux.... |
| 02:26.42 | m1ke_l | sory...again...This is debian channel! |
| 02:26.48 | m1ke_l | redhat=microsoft |
| 02:27.08 | Azar | dafen: there is no kind of advice , package, or command from debian gonna help you with redhat |
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| 02:30.34 | Johnny_5 | how long is it suppose to take?? |
| 02:31.02 | comsa | :( |
| 02:31.13 | Johnny_5 | i didi cd /usr/src/'uname -r and its still goin' |
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| 02:32.12 | m1ke_l | kill it...it must not like something |
| 02:32.25 | m1ke_l | just do a uname -r and there should be a dir in /usr/src for it |
| 02:32.35 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 02:33.22 | Azar | I guess Johnny_5 is benchmarking Debian stability |
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| 02:34.26 | Azar | give someone an axe and a PC see how long it takes until he can break it and in how many pieces |
| 02:34.39 | Johnny_5 | hmm.... |
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| 02:34.51 | Johnny_5 | all i got was: |
| 02:34.52 | Johnny_5 | congo:/home/nix0r# uname -r |
| 02:34.52 | Johnny_5 | 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 02:35.08 | Johnny_5 | but its not a dir |
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| 02:35.31 | m1ke_l | then you don't have a kernel source installed, if i understand it correctly |
| 02:35.37 | Johnny_5 | ? |
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| 02:35.54 | Johnny_5 | then what do i do, then? |
| 02:36.20 | Azar | Johnny_5: some system packages will not be installed , the system protects itself from people wanting to break it |
| 02:36.33 | Johnny_5 | heh |
| 02:36.45 | Johnny_5 | but i really need to get into my kernel |
| 02:36.56 | Azar | Johnny_5: why? |
| 02:37.29 | fmasi | helo can some one help me i nead to uninstal all versions of php in my server how can i do that |
| 02:37.29 | Stevie-O | 250 Stevie-O |
| 02:37.49 | Johnny_5 | i want to take a look at it....i'm tryin' to get stuff workin' and i think i need to look in my kernel to do so |
| 02:37.52 | unstable | fmasi: apt-get remove --purge php??? |
| 02:37.57 | fmasi | i nead to have a clean apache2 again some one instaled 3 versions of php every thing is mixed up now |
| 02:37.57 | unstable | fmasi: dpkg -al|grep -i php |
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| 02:38.05 | Azar | Johnny_5: what is not working? what stuff? |
| 02:38.15 | Johnny_5 | i'm not sure if my usb are installed |
| 02:38.20 | fmasi | thx gona try it |
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| 02:38.52 | Azar | Johnny_5: you do not need to break the kernel for that, use modconf command will give you a list of hardware and usb modules to select from |
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| 02:39.11 | coulix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.27 | unstable | !tell Johnny_5 about ask |
| 02:39.43 | unstable | Johnny_5: What are you trying to do? Why do you want to "get into" your kernel? |
| 02:39.45 | Johnny_5 | oh ok |
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| 02:40.03 | Johnny_5 | just to get my usb working |
| 02:40.05 | Azar | unstable: yes he wants to :) |
| 02:40.25 | Cowman | how can I get apt to ignore dependancy problems with a package(without removing said package) |
| 02:40.26 | unstable | Johnny_5: What are you trying to connect via usb? |
| 02:41.03 | fmasi | unstable the 2 comands only list them to me do i have to go one by one removing them ? |
| 02:41.23 | unstable | fmasi: yes |
| 02:41.30 | fmasi | ok |
| 02:41.33 | Cowman | I have a package that I installed manually, the app works fine but apt says that there are dependancy problems and apt-get -f install just wants to remove it as a fix. I do NOT want to do this |
| 02:41.37 | unstable | fmasi: You could make a script to do it. |
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| 02:42.08 | Fluten | might running an old linux app in a chroot of an older ver of debianstop it's crashing? the gui is messed up, such as where it should be white is black and various other things. |
| 02:42.14 | unstable | fmasi: for file in `dpkg -al|grep php|awk '{ print $2 }'`; do apt-get remove --purge $file; done |
| 02:42.21 | unstable | fmasi: I don't recommend doing that at all though. |
| 02:42.41 | Johnny_5 | webcam |
| 02:42.48 | fmasi | unstable why not ? |
| 02:43.07 | unstable | fmasi: Just not a safe way to do things. |
| 02:43.18 | unstable | I dunno, I guess it will work. |
| 02:43.28 | unstable | I'm just telling you not to do it, so if you fuck something up...I don't feel bad. |
| 02:43.31 | fmasi | so bether do by hand right ? if it is what it takes i will do it |
| 02:43.51 | unstable | yea, do it by hand. |
| 02:43.54 | coulix | so which fiel comtains used irqs ? |
| 02:43.56 | unstable | You can do multiple packages at once.. |
| 02:43.56 | unstable | ie |
| 02:44.00 | coulix | its fro LPI 101 training |
| 02:44.06 | unstable | apt-get remove --purge package1 package2 package3 etc etc |
| 02:44.44 | fmasi | unstable thx now i going to get to whork |
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| 02:48.28 | aum | hi - exim 4.x, on trying to send a message, spits a 421 'unexpected log failure, please try later' - i've set mode 666 on /var/log/exim4/mainlog - any ideas? |
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| 02:57.28 | coulix | what does a double pipe means ? foo || bar |
| 02:57.33 | dondelelcaro | or |
| 02:57.56 | dondelelcaro | in shell, if foo exits non-zero, bar is run. |
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| 02:58.03 | fmasi | ei how do i know all php pakages taht are instaled in the pc ? |
| 02:58.08 | coulix | ok |
| 02:58.17 | dondelelcaro | fmasi: dpkg -l php*; for starters. |
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| 03:00.28 | chin1 | ummmm i used the compact disc installer |
| 03:00.31 | Khmer-Boy | I want stop smtp service. what should I do? |
| 03:00.40 | chin1 | i have no clue whats going on |
| 03:00.44 | chin1 | how do i get x11 ? |
| 03:00.48 | chin1 | whats the name of the packag e? |
| 03:01.03 | Gumby | chin1: apt-get install x-windows-system |
| 03:01.18 | chin1 | who makes up these names! |
| 03:01.19 | chin1 | wtf |
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| 03:01.28 | chin1 | it said it counld't find it |
| 03:01.36 | Gumby | chihchun: setup apt then |
| 03:01.52 | Gumby | you could just install xorg |
| 03:02.07 | chin1 | cant find that either |
| 03:02.08 | chin1 | wtf |
| 03:02.13 | hrtp | does debian have an installer? |
| 03:02.25 | Gumby | but by the sounds of it you arent too linux savy, so using that first command will get you X with a desktop and login manager |
| 03:02.36 | amphi | hrtp: no, you have to flip the bits on your hd with a magnet |
| 03:02.41 | Gumby | chin1: as I said, setup apt |
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| 03:03.12 | hrtp | lol |
| 03:03.14 | hrtp | motherfucker |
| 03:03.16 | chin1 | Gumby: how ? |
| 03:03.21 | chin1 | during the install i picked aserver tha tworked |
| 03:03.46 | Gumby | chin1: you should probably look into googling apt and figuring out how it works |
| 03:03.55 | Gumby | or possibly man apt |
| 03:04.03 | fmasi | dondelelcaro dpkg -l php* shows me aparently some pakages thata re instaled but wen i try to remove them it says it is not instaled |
| 03:04.28 | Gumby | chin1: and sorry, that first command should have been apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:05.29 | coulix | how to get the first line of a text file ? tail -n 1 send me the last :/ |
| 03:05.51 | chin1 | i know how ti works man |
| 03:05.54 | abrotman | coulix: head |
| 03:05.55 | chin1 | but who comes up with these names |
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| 03:06.04 | coulix | ah "the first lines"then its head. |
| 03:06.10 | chin1 | coulix: "head" |
| 03:06.14 | Gumby | chihchun: why does that matter? |
| 03:06.17 | Gumby | err |
| 03:06.18 | Gumby | chin1 |
| 03:06.29 | Gumby | chin1: its a meta package |
| 03:06.45 | chin1 | Gumby: yes i go to try and do "apt-get install xorg" and it doens' twork im dumb founded i have to go read some book for some special name they called a group of pcakges |
| 03:06.50 | chin1 | i have no idea what tha tmeans |
| 03:07.08 | Gumby | chin1: no, you dont actually |
| 03:07.12 | Gumby | you just have to learn how to use apt |
| 03:07.29 | chin1 | i use apt like programs and use apt as well |
| 03:07.30 | Gumby | and thats the last time I'll mention that you need to google or man apt |
| 03:07.33 | chin1 | what must i learn then ? |
| 03:07.53 | powder | u must learn the long intricate package names ;) |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:08.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:08.21 | powder | doh, got me :) |
| 03:08.32 | Gumby | no, you dont learn them... you just have to telepathically know them |
| 03:08.34 | Gumby | all of them |
| 03:08.37 | Gumby | every single one |
| 03:08.59 | Gumby | or, you could use apt-cache or apt-file to find what you are looking for |
| 03:09.05 | Gumby | or even dpkg -l |
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| 03:09.42 | powder | i don't think apt-cache xorg would help in his case |
| 03:09.44 | Gumby | all of which are quite learnable if one bothered to try |
| 03:09.57 | Gumby | it might get him on the right track though |
| 03:10.13 | Gumby | its up to the user to do as much as they can before coming to IRC and asking others for help |
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| 03:11.07 | powder | i actually cheated. i learned the basics in #ubuntu where they don't care :D |
| 03:11.59 | unstable | !ubuntu |
| 03:11.59 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 03:12.21 | fmasi | i nead to remove all apache and php how to do it |
| 03:12.22 | mbishop | where is EDITOR set in debian? |
| 03:12.31 | unstable | !nano |
| 03:12.31 | dpkg | [nano] at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
| 03:12.32 | aum | !Based On Debian |
| 03:12.32 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 03:13.06 | abrotman | mbishop: alternatives ? |
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| 03:13.15 | coulix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.28 | chin1 | i knwo how to use cache but i came here because things are not the way they should be |
| 03:14.03 | Gumby | says you |
| 03:14.21 | powder | how should they be? |
| 03:14.35 | Gumby | apt-get install X ? |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:15.33 | Gumby | abrotman: I dunno, chin1 seems to think he is better at package naming than the devels and that they have done it all wrong |
| 03:15.45 | powder | lol |
| 03:15.47 | abrotman | it's subjective |
| 03:16.02 | abrotman | Gumby: but if you can produce an orange horse .. i'll give you a beer :) |
| 03:16.35 | Gumby | can I use that spray on tanning stuff? |
| 03:17.14 | abrotman | that's probably not good for the horse |
| 03:17.22 | LordNazgul | gumby you are doing it all the tough way apt-get orange-horse |
| 03:17.23 | coulix | ho [!A-Z] means ! OR a cap |
| 03:18.04 | Gumby | LordNazgul: E: Invalid operation orange-horse |
| 03:18.24 | LordNazgul | you didnt say you wanted to install an orange horse did you |
| 03:18.25 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.26 | hrtp | does debian come with an installer? |
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| 03:18.40 | dondelelcaro | hrtp: yes |
| 03:18.41 | abrotman | !d-i hrtp |
| 03:18.41 | dpkg | hrtp, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:19.09 | hrtp | no im talkin about like, when i download the cd and pop it in |
| 03:19.24 | Gumby | hrtp: yes, it does |
| 03:19.33 | abrotman | hrtp: a CD of what? |
| 03:19.47 | hrtp | iso |
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| 03:20.03 | abrotman | i meant what is on the CD ? |
| 03:20.22 | hrtp | debian iso |
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| 03:21.30 | Gumby | hrtp: iso's dont go on a cd, the contents of the iso do. you could put an iso on a cd if you wanted to, but it'd be fairly useless |
| 03:23.05 | hrtp | no man, im saying, when i download an .iso (debian distro), and burn it to cd, can i just pop it in |
| 03:23.26 | hrtp | and boot from it |
| 03:23.32 | Gumby | hrtp: I said yes like 5 minutes ago |
| 03:23.44 | hrtp | ok |
| 03:24.02 | hrtp | debian < ubuntu ? |
| 03:24.08 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:24.09 | Gumby | lol |
| 03:24.11 | powder | hrtp: you should see if the cd boots yourself before asking if it will boot here ;) |
| 03:24.16 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:24.17 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 03:24.31 | Gumby | "what ARCH is my box" |
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| 03:24.42 | abrotman | Gumby: roman |
| 03:24.52 | hrtp | install manual? |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | !i |
| 03:24.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, i is the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:24.59 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 03:25.00 | abrotman | ffs |
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| 03:25.29 | simonrvn | !install guide |
| 03:25.29 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 03:25.31 | hrtp | is there any installer like ubuntu that install everything, kde, packages, etc |
| 03:25.38 | simonrvn | that? |
| 03:25.45 | Gumby | hrtp: no, go use ubuntu |
| 03:25.56 | hrtp | lol |
| 03:25.59 | hrtp | that's what im using |
| 03:26.01 | simonrvn | ubuntu isn't an installer |
| 03:26.08 | hrtp | did i say that? |
| 03:26.18 | simonrvn | hrtp is there any installer like ubuntu |
| 03:26.26 | simonrvn | so yes you did |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | the debian installer? |
| 03:26.32 | hrtp | yes |
| 03:26.45 | Gumby | hrtp: take the spoon out of your mouth, detach the leash from around your waste, and try something for yourself. put the cd in, reboot, and follow the directions |
| 03:26.53 | dbindner_ | I admit, I find the Debian installer very similar to the Ubuntu installer. For a reason I think... |
| 03:27.06 | powder | hrtp: seriously grow some balls and start experimenting :P |
| 03:27.31 | coulix | does /proc is forced to be on the root partition ? (/) |
| 03:27.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:27.42 | hrtp | right now im experimenting ubuntu |
| 03:27.49 | mishael | lol |
| 03:27.56 | powder | hrtp: how long have you been using ubuntu? |
| 03:28.00 | powder | 1 hour? |
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| 03:28.02 | hrtp | a month |
| 03:28.03 | hrtp | LOL |
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| 03:28.06 | hrtp | @ 1 hour |
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| 03:29.24 | simonrvn | dbindner_: because ubuntu uses debian's .... |
| 03:29.30 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:29.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:29.32 | dbindner_ | Yeah. I know. |
| 03:29.35 | hrtp | word |
| 03:29.39 | powder | shhh it's a secret |
| 03:29.57 | simonrvn | so ask stupid questions you know the answer ... fucking trolls |
| 03:30.31 | simonrvn | so why ask* |
| 03:30.52 | dbindner_ | Sometimes I kind of miss the days when everyone install Slack and you downloaded it one floppy at a time. Actually, I don't miss that too much. |
| 03:31.07 | nekostar | deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:31.07 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.23 | abrotman | there is no security at that URL for testing |
| 03:31.29 | nekostar | o: |
| 03:31.32 | simonrvn | i miss the days when people asked well though-out questions |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | nekostar: /topic |
| 03:31.37 | nekostar | is there a url for that abrotman ? |
| 03:31.38 | kapil | dbindner_: esp. when floppy number 15 which contained the app. you were *really* interested in turned out to be corrupted. |
| 03:31.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: you miss the days when people read the topic :) |
| 03:31.53 | powder | lol |
| 03:31.53 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:31.58 | abrotman | !lol |
| 03:31.58 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:32.15 | dbindner_ | kapil: It was a major leap ahead once you had the ppp disk set downloaded. You didn't have to keep going back to DOS to get more stuff. |
| 03:32.19 | mishael | lol |
| 03:32.19 | nekostar | aaahhh thanx abrotman |
| 03:32.35 | powder | bwahahahahaha |
| 03:32.46 | simonrvn | lawl |
| 03:32.51 | nekostar | i got this uubercheap dedi server which is acting more like a vps ... they got these xen patches on it.. so the only thing i can think of doing is upgrading kernel to testing :P |
| 03:32.58 | mishael | rotflmao |
| 03:33.01 | nekostar | yeah |
| 03:33.01 | coulix | Â Which directories are forced to be located on the root partition? /boot /proc /usr /dev /etc, so the answer shoudl be /etc /dev and /proc ? |
| 03:33.08 | nekostar | thats what i get for going uuber cheap eh |
| 03:33.18 | abrotman | coulix: /proc/ isn't real .. neither is /dev/ |
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| 03:33.43 | mishael | !lmao |
| 03:33.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, lmao is laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 03:33.57 | dbindner_ | coulix: Every directory that doesn't have something between it a / is forced to be in /. I don't think I understand the question. |
| 03:34.04 | abrotman | coulix: and iirc .. only /etc, /bin, /sbin have to be on the root partition |
| 03:34.17 | abrotman | dbindner_: not in / ... but on the root partition |
| 03:34.19 | coulix | in the lpi book they say only /etc /lib /sbin /bin /dev are recquired on the root partition |
| 03:34.24 | dbindner_ | I get it. |
| 03:34.24 | kapil | abrotman: aren't you assuming 2.6.x + udev. /dev was real once. |
| 03:34.27 | abrotman | oh yeah .. and /lib/ |
| 03:34.42 | dbindner_ | You can even get away without /etc with care, but it takes a lot of care. |
| 03:34.48 | abrotman | kapil: you can still create it on each boot with devfs if you want .. i guess |
| 03:34.53 | coulix | ok so if they ask this during test i ll not put /proc, even if i only seened it on root parttiion |
| 03:35.03 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: you technically don't need any of them, actually... |
| 03:35.35 | dondelelcaro | a statically linked busybox on an initrd is about as minimal a system as you can get. |
| 03:35.43 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 03:36.38 | kapil | dondelelcaro: but it should be called something like /bin/sh or /sbin/init |
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| 03:37.08 | dondelelcaro | kapil: it doesn't even need that |
| 03:37.26 | abrotman | you're all crazy! |
| 03:37.37 | dondelelcaro | in an initrd, it'd just be /initrd |
| 03:37.43 | dondelelcaro | (or /linuxrc) |
| 03:37.47 | coulix | ahah nice, how to make it confusing. |
| 03:37.55 | kapil | dondelelcaro: Eh? Oh. boot with init=/busybox |
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| 03:38.39 | coulix | well i passed it http://www.linux-praxis.de/lpisim/lpi101sim/index.html, 73, try it |
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| 03:39.28 | abrotman | a 73 ? |
| 03:39.37 | kapil | coulix: you mean you were using #debian's help to pass an exam? where is that college honour code? |
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| 03:42.05 | dondelelcaro | more than half of the questions on that quiz are totally wrong |
| 03:42.41 | powder | nice |
| 03:42.47 | astronut | what quiz is that? |
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| 03:43.02 | Viking667 | Has anyone here seen a package called "xscrabble"? |
| 03:43.12 | abrotman | apt-cache search xscrabble |
| 03:43.13 | abrotman | ?? |
| 03:43.24 | Viking667 | and yes, I may have asked about this before, but not here. |
| 03:43.29 | astronut | Viking667: if it doesn't exist, probably was a trademark violation |
| 03:43.40 | astronut | try "scrabble" |
| 03:44.03 | astronut | that package exists |
| 03:44.06 | Viking667 | abrotman: Haven't seen it in Ubuntu, and don't have an actual Debian machine. |
| 03:44.14 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:44.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 03:44.18 | astronut | Viking667: packages.debian.org |
| 03:44.22 | astronut | Viking667: "scrabble" exists |
| 03:44.32 | Viking667 | I know THAT one does, but I was after the xscrabble one from long while ago |
| 03:44.39 | astronut | !google |
| 03:44.39 | dpkg | google is, like, a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 03:45.01 | powder | wow thanks |
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| 03:49.22 | lawsohot22 | hi all whats this all about |
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| 03:49.40 | unstable | !about |
| 03:49.40 | dpkg | enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client |
| 03:50.24 | joeyjones | !sex |
| 03:50.24 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 03:50.31 | unstable | lawsohot22: If you have a problem, you ask a question. That's what this is about. If you want to be a developer you join #debian-mentors and try to maintain packages. |
| 03:50.45 | Langly | /msg dpkg go kill yourself using nothing but lemonjuice tipped accupunture needles |
| 03:50.55 | mishael | hes already gone |
| 03:50.57 | Langly | :P |
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| 03:51.29 | astronut | gasp doesn't exist does it? |
| 03:51.32 | powder | apt-get install condom broke :( |
| 03:51.36 | joeyjones | lol |
| 03:51.40 | Viking667 | used google, showed pretty much nothing related to a specific deb package. |
| 03:51.46 | Langly | Apt-get boobies |
| 03:51.51 | joeyjones | apt-get remove broken-condom |
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| 03:51.53 | astronut | Viking667: then i guess it doesn't exist |
| 03:51.57 | astronut | Langly: porn-get |
| 03:51.59 | unstable | !moo |
| 03:51.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:52.11 | astronut | (actually exists) |
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| 03:52.13 | coulix | ahah of course not its training |
| 03:52.18 | coulix | the real one is monday |
| 03:52.23 | Viking667 | pity that. It exists as a Suse package, and so I wondered. |
| 03:52.34 | abrotman | so ask for it to be packaged |
| 03:52.36 | abrotman | !itp |
| 03:52.36 | dpkg | somebody said itp was Intent To Package |
| 03:52.39 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 03:52.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wnpp is Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 03:52.44 | astronut | !rfp |
| 03:52.44 | dpkg | it has been said that rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 03:53.05 | astronut | hmmm |
| 03:53.07 | astronut | !life |
| 03:53.07 | dpkg | well, life is what you made by yourself. so if you're saying "life sucks", it is you that sucked. |
| 03:53.19 | astronut | someone change that to "42" |
| 03:53.24 | astronut | dpkg: life is now "42" |
| 03:53.24 | dpkg | ...but life is already something else... |
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| 03:53.30 | astronut | dpkg: delete life |
| 03:53.38 | astronut | dpkg: set life 42 |
| 03:53.47 | powder | apt-get remove std --purge |
| 03:53.56 | astronut | gah, i can never remember it's commands |
| 03:54.15 | abrotman | good |
| 03:54.23 | hrtp | is there a debian livecd? |
| 03:54.26 | abrotman | no |
| 03:54.31 | astronut | not yet anyway |
| 03:54.34 | Rub | Alguem do brasil? |
| 03:54.37 | hrtp | ok |
| 03:54.37 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:54.37 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 03:55.02 | Money | my cd-rw isn't being recognized, how do i make it be recognized so i can burn a music cd |
| 03:55.21 | unstable | !life |
| 03:55.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, life is a multi-faceted concept that may refer to the ongoing process of which living things are a part or the period between fertilisation or mitosis and death. Yes, this means you will die some day, have fun while it lasts. |
| 03:55.40 | astronut | unstable: did you change it or does it go between various ones? |
| 03:55.43 | astronut | !factinfo life |
| 03:55.43 | dpkg | life -- last modified 30s ago by unstable!n=user_nam@unaffiliated/kerplunk. |
| 03:55.56 | unstable | no, but that's a good idea. |
| 03:56.08 | abrotman | yes he changed it |
| 03:56.11 | astronut | !42 |
| 03:56.11 | dpkg | methinks 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 03:56.14 | Money | can anyone help me? cd-rw isn't being recognized |
| 03:56.18 | Money | cd-rw drive |
| 03:56.19 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 03:56.19 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 03:56.33 | joeyjones | !moo |
| 03:56.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:57.19 | Langly | dpkg got milk? |
| 03:57.34 | powder | Money: can you see it in /dev? |
| 03:57.46 | joeyjones | !fart |
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| 03:58.01 | abrotman | joeyjones: STOP |
| 03:58.03 | Money | umm, hold on a sec |
| 03:58.07 | joeyjones | lol |
| 03:58.16 | Viking667 | hack cough splutter |
| 03:58.17 | coulix | ahah |
| 03:58.20 | Viking667 | whewwwweee |
| 03:58.30 | joeyjones | !fire |
| 03:58.30 | dpkg | somebody said fire was "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 03:58.36 | penrod | suggestions for a ftp server, with security of upmost concern |
| 03:58.38 | abrotman | joeyjones: STOP WITH THE BOT |
| 03:58.49 | powder | yea please stop man |
| 03:58.56 | simonrvn | kick his ass outta the chan |
| 03:59.10 | abrotman | penrod: ftp is not secure .. use scp if you can |
| 03:59.21 | abrotman | /msg chanserv op #debian simonrvn |
| 03:59.32 | simonrvn | i wish |
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| 03:59.57 | simonrvn | i have similar thing as an irssi alias |
| 04:00.02 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:00.09 | penrod | agreed, however anonymous access is required for a client, or their clients, |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | penrod: vsftpd |
| 04:00.24 | astronut | penrod: vsftpd |
| 04:00.27 | astronut | jynx |
| 04:00.33 | powder | booyah |
| 04:00.35 | abrotman | penrod: or proftpd |
| 04:00.38 | penrod | with proftp second ? |
| 04:00.45 | nekostar | are the xen patches ever used on a single machine to lock ppl out of the hardware?? and what else do the patches actually do? |
| 04:00.47 | hrtp | what kernel are yall using? |
| 04:00.54 | hrtp | i mean the latest deb |
| 04:01.00 | nekostar | also how can one tell if one is running a true dedi or a virtual machine from inside it? |
| 04:01.04 | Money | ok, hold on a sec |
| 04:01.15 | abrotman | hrtp: depends on the version of debian being used |
| 04:01.35 | hrtp | i said the latest |
| 04:01.39 | abrotman | latest WHAT? |
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| 04:01.47 | Money | powder: there are a couple of files in there, i don't know which one it is |
| 04:01.48 | hrtp | release |
| 04:01.58 | joeyjones | abrotman: the bto loves me! |
| 04:02.08 | abrotman | the latest stable release of debian is sarge, and it uses a 2.4.27 or a 2.6.8 |
| 04:02.10 | simonrvn | why should we even bother answering |
| 04:02.12 | abrotman | joeyjones: noone else does |
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| 04:02.31 | hrtp | ic |
| 04:02.31 | powder | Money: you see /dev/cdrw ? |
| 04:02.39 | hrtp | simonrvn, you think im trolling? |
| 04:02.45 | abrotman | it wouldn't be /dev/cdrw |
| 04:02.53 | Money | powder: no |
| 04:02.56 | hrtp | ive never used deb |
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| 04:03.11 | powder | abrotman: mine seems to be /dev/cdrw |
| 04:03.22 | abrotman | is it only a CDRW? |
| 04:03.23 | hrtp | im tryin to move from ubuntu to debian |
| 04:03.28 | abrotman | so read the install guide |
| 04:03.33 | daeos | hey guys, i was wondering how to fix GRUB with an error code of 22 ? i was thinking of repairing it but not sure what steps to go through. |
| 04:04.00 | hrtp | should i try it though? |
| 04:04.05 | abrotman | Money: is it a DVD/CDRW ? or CDRW only ? |
| 04:04.06 | hrtp | ubuntu to debian? |
| 04:04.12 | hrtp | don't make no sense huh? |
| 04:04.15 | abrotman | that's up to you |
| 04:04.18 | abrotman | noone will decide for you |
| 04:04.30 | abrotman | but if you can't read simple documentation, you might want to stick with windows |
| 04:04.31 | hrtp | but tell me about it |
| 04:04.33 | Money | it plays dvd's and records cd-r's and cd-rw's |
| 04:04.38 | daeos | abrotman: you got any clue about how to fix error 22 in GRUB stage 1.5 |
| 04:04.38 | hrtp | windows? |
| 04:04.42 | powder | hrtp: i moved from ubuntu to debian. i had to learn a lot more, though. |
| 04:04.42 | Money | so igues it is a dvd/cdrw |
| 04:04.43 | hrtp | who got windows here? |
| 04:04.47 | abrotman | daeos: ask google ? |
| 04:04.58 | hrtp | lol @ abrotman |
| 04:04.59 | abrotman | Money: so it's probably /dev/cdrom .. linked to something else like /dev/hdc |
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| 04:05.15 | daeos | abrotman: i did, and it says to use the install CD for your distro |
| 04:05.22 | hrtp | me -a |
| 04:05.22 | hrtp | Linux haterproof 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Sat M |
| 04:05.25 | daeos | and debian net install does have a GRUB repair |
| 04:05.27 | abrotman | daeos: does it say the real problem ? |
| 04:05.30 | daeos | doesn't* |
| 04:05.43 | Money | there is a cdrom, but its not a folder, and when i click it it says contents cannpt be displyed |
| 04:05.51 | abrotman | daeos: you can use an ubuntu or knoppix CD |
| 04:05.56 | abrotman | !grub floppy image |
| 04:05.56 | daeos | abrotman: no, just tries to boot |
| 04:05.57 | dpkg | grub floppy image is probably ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
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| 04:06.14 | hrtp | fuck it, ill stick with ubuntu |
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| 04:06.18 | abrotman | good plan |
| 04:06.25 | powder | Money: You don't access it that way |
| 04:06.26 | daeos | i tried the ubuntu live cd, which is what im on right now, and it didn't have a option anywhere |
| 04:06.38 | abrotman | daeos: option for what? |
| 04:06.42 | Money | powder: ok, well there is a file called cdrom |
| 04:06.43 | daeos | GRUB repair |
| 04:06.55 | daeos | or reinstall |
| 04:07.09 | powder | Money: then debian is correctly recognizing your optical device |
| 04:07.10 | daeos | maybe i should just make a floppy of grub? |
| 04:07.12 | abrotman | daeos: you should be able to boot your system .. or chroot into it |
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| 04:07.44 | Money | i can't burn cd's |
| 04:08.13 | zinx | Money: try using some gasoline or lighter fluid or such |
| 04:08.15 | daeos | abrotman: im not following you when you say i can boot it, yes it does boot with a live cd, which is what im using right now, or if i boot with a Debian Net Install CD |
| 04:08.24 | powder | hahaha |
| 04:08.29 | daeos | but i don't see any option for grub reinstall or repair |
| 04:08.49 | abrotman | daeos: you can chroot into your own system |
| 04:08.50 | powder | Money: what are you using to burn? |
| 04:08.59 | abrotman | daeos: or boot your system from ubuntu's grub |
| 04:09.08 | Money | powder: i havn't tried to burn anything yet, but i have a gut feeling it won't work anyway |
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| 04:09.16 | abrotman | then HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW? |
| 04:09.21 | powder | Money: you never know until you try lol |
| 04:09.33 | abrotman | holy crap .. that's just beyond stupid |
| 04:09.54 | Money | powder: whats a good cd burning software for linux |
| 04:10.09 | abrotman | gnomebaker,k3b,cdrecord,eroaster |
| 04:10.11 | powder | Money: what DE are you using? |
| 04:10.57 | Money | DE? |
| 04:11.03 | Money | desktop environment? |
| 04:11.04 | Money | gnome |
| 04:11.04 | abrotman | gnome or kde? |
| 04:11.08 | abrotman | try gnomebaker |
| 04:11.47 | Money | can it be downloaded via apt?> |
| 04:11.49 | powder | i haven't had any luck with gnomebaker. crappy nautilus burner works though. |
| 04:12.06 | abrotman | Money: yes .. |
| 04:12.16 | abrotman | powder: that's pretty sad .. works perfectly fine :) |
| 04:12.28 | daeos | abrotman: chroot, or boot from ubuntu grub i don't know how to do that, PLUS, grub is loaded into a Windows XP HDD and i do not have linux installed, i tried to install debian at one time, long ago but fucked my xp partiton, however after reinstalling windows, grub still loaded fine until now, so without having any version of linux install, how would i do either of those? i have a second HDD a 160GB... would it behoove me to install debian |
| 04:12.29 | Money | im downloading now, apt is so tighht |
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| 04:12.49 | unstable | !abrotman |
| 04:12.49 | dpkg | abrotman is, like, someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 04:12.50 | powder | abrotman: are you in etch? |
| 04:13.07 | abrotman | yes |
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| 04:13.21 | j33 | how do you prevent eth0 and eth1 from switching on a mb that has dual ethernet? |
| 04:13.34 | abrotman | daeos: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 04:13.42 | powder | abrotman: damn i wonder why it won't work for me. >:O |
| 04:13.45 | daeos | abrotman: get grub working so windows will load |
| 04:14.04 | Money | where is the location of gnomebaker?> i've installed it |
| 04:14.07 | abrotman | daeos: why not just remove grub ? |
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| 04:14.17 | abrotman | powder: i have my suspicions |
| 04:14.21 | daeos | abrotman: how |
| 04:14.42 | abrotman | daeos: you can put the windows bootloader back |
| 04:15.06 | daeos | i don't have a windows install cd, its a OEM install with a backup partition |
| 04:15.32 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 04:15.47 | dbindner_ | See, this is why I hate Windows. |
| 04:15.54 | daeos | yes yes i know |
| 04:16.00 | daeos | but ... this is my wifes pc |
| 04:16.01 | daeos | ... |
| 04:16.37 | powder | she can't live without aol? :D |
| 04:16.45 | daeos | i won't allow AOL |
| 04:16.58 | Viking667 | ewww. |
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| 04:17.05 | Viking667 | ah! |
| 04:17.10 | daeos | even if i work for TWC, i will not allow AOL, she just needs it for a game she plays which is only for windows |
| 04:17.28 | abrotman | the weather channel ? |
| 04:17.33 | abrotman | time warner ? |
| 04:17.39 | evaded | I have some troubles to setup the networkcard 3com '3c59x' Need i do an 'modprobe 3c59x' ? |
| 04:17.40 | powder | time warner cable |
| 04:17.44 | daeos | time warner |
| 04:17.49 | daeos | cable |
| 04:17.50 | abrotman | but he has RR internet |
| 04:17.55 | daeos | free |
| 04:17.56 | daeos | :) |
| 04:17.58 | Money | the mount point for thw writing device could not be obtained. Please check thjat the writing device has an entry in /etc/fstab and then go to preferences and rescan for devices |
| 04:18.02 | Money | i got an error :(:(:(:(:( |
| 04:18.19 | evaded | The card would not be reconised :-( |
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| 04:19.06 | LordNazgul | evaded i have the same card, and it was picked up no prob, have you tested the hardware? |
| 04:19.11 | abrotman | evaded: try modconf .. find the module for your card |
| 04:19.24 | dbindner_ | Last time I had a network card that wouldn't be recognized by the correct driver, I didn't have it seated completely in the slot. Not saying that's your problem, but always good to check. |
| 04:20.02 | evaded | I think the module are not loaded. The card are installed after the installation. I give here support on someone, it's not my card, not my computer :-/ |
| 04:20.34 | daeos | abrotman: so if reinstalling the windows boot loader is out of the question, what other choices do i have to fix GRUB and make it boot once again? |
| 04:20.42 | Money | can someone help me, i got the error: the mount point for thw writing device could not be obtained. Please check thjat the writing device has an entry in /etc/fstab and then go to preferences and rescan for devices: while t4ing to burn |
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| 04:21.22 | evaded | daeos: abrotman loose the connection :-( |
| 04:21.52 | daeos | dang it |
| 04:21.54 | dbindner_ | evaded: 'ifconfig -a' should show it if the kernel sees it, even if not configured. That can often help you know if you need to load a module still. dmesg can also be a big help (you should see it being identified in the kernel messages). |
| 04:21.55 | LordNazgul | daeos did you try simply reinstalling grub? |
| 04:22.01 | daeos | thats what im getting at |
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| 04:22.33 | powder | Money: did you look in your /etc/fstab? |
| 04:22.35 | evaded | dbindner_: Right i forget it ;-) thanks ;-) Also thanks to LordNazgul :-) |
| 04:22.36 | dbindner_ | daeos: When I've been in your place, I just reinstalled the Grub bootloader correctly to load Windows. |
| 04:22.47 | LordNazgul | how bout using a livecd to do it |
| 04:23.16 | daeos | those sound like good ideas, and i am using the ubuntu live cd |
| 04:23.19 | daeos | right now |
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| 04:23.32 | daeos | so in here, what would i do to mount the HDD |
| 04:23.38 | daeos | then repair GRUB? |
| 04:23.50 | daeos | cause when i pull up the drives mounted, my 2 HDD are not listed |
| 04:23.56 | LordNazgul | chroot /mnt/hda1/ |
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| 04:24.07 | LordNazgul | that should get you into your system |
| 04:24.13 | LordNazgul | then you can reinstall grub |
| 04:24.40 | daeos | so just open up terminal.. and do that, ok, let me try it |
| 04:24.40 | Money | powder: i don't have an fstab directory |
| 04:24.42 | dbindner_ | In the worst pinch, I've booted from a GRUB bootdisk to do a repair. |
| 04:25.09 | LordNazgul | daeos well it wont work if your hard drive isnt mounted |
| 04:25.18 | daeos | lol yeah it isn't |
| 04:25.19 | LordNazgul | you should mount it first |
| 04:25.23 | daeos | need to find out why it isn't mounted |
| 04:25.33 | LordNazgul | usually mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 |
| 04:25.44 | powder | Money: fstab is a file, not a directory. something tells me you should be using an easier distro than debian :-/ |
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| 04:25.55 | daeos | neither |
| 04:26.04 | Money | ok |
| 04:26.06 | Money | i see the fstab file |
| 04:26.10 | Money | what do i do with it? |
| 04:26.20 | LordNazgul | daeos is your hdd listed in /etc/fstab? |
| 04:26.31 | daeos | said it couldn't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 04:27.06 | LordNazgul | then go back to basics. check power and cables to your hdd and check bios |
| 04:27.07 | daeos | no its not in that file |
| 04:27.20 | powder | Money: you need to google "fstab" |
| 04:27.24 | daeos | my bios sees it |
| 04:27.30 | LordNazgul | livecd should pick it up and put it in there |
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| 04:27.43 | evaded | LordNazgul: Know you which module that card use? No Internet on it, no 'modconf' can be download |
| 04:27.52 | Money | what am i suoosed to do with the file though? am i supposed to add something to it? |
| 04:27.52 | dbindner_ | fdisk -l /dev/hda maybe? |
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| 04:28.10 | dbindner_ | Is it SATA? It would sda then. |
| 04:28.16 | daeos | not sata |
| 04:28.33 | daeos | and /dev/hda can't be opened |
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| 04:28.43 | LordNazgul | daeos im not familiar at all w/ ubuntu ive used knoppix before and that should pick it up. go to #ubuntu to get your hdd mounted then come back |
| 04:28.53 | daeos | ok |
| 04:29.03 | LordNazgul | evaded im sorry i couldnt tell you i no longer am running debian on that system |
| 04:29.18 | evaded | LordNazgul: ok ;-) |
| 04:29.34 | LordNazgul | sorry |
| 04:29.52 | dbindner_ | Maybe hda is a CD. Try hdb, hdc, and hdd (say with the fdisk -l ) |
| 04:30.02 | LordNazgul | evaded if you are really intent on getting it up you could always reinstall ;) |
| 04:30.31 | LordNazgul | like killing a fly with a sledgehammer |
| 04:30.43 | unix_infidel | anyone here code in actionscript, its really hard to find good docs on it. |
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| 04:30.56 | evaded | It's not my computer, i help a guy here on a other room. and ... I have not an fysic on it :-( |
| 04:31.22 | evaded | unix_infidel: Go to macromedia ?? |
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| 04:31.29 | nekostar | linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 is for pentium 4 64 bit processors ???? |
| 04:31.40 | simonrvn | wth is a 'fysic'? |
| 04:31.57 | LordNazgul | simon im guessing physical access to the machine :S |
| 04:31.57 | simonrvn | nekostar: read the description |
| 04:32.10 | evaded | unix_infidel: There is an #flash if you want |
| 04:32.22 | unix_infidel | #flash |
| 04:32.40 | stumbles | hi, this isn't strictly debian related, but i was wondering what strategies are commonly used for archiving mail. For example, sub-directories for years. Ideally, it would be still readily available, but not weighing down your everyday mailboxes... |
| 04:32.54 | evaded | simonrvn: Sorry, i have not access to the computer, the guy is on the other side of Europa, i help him virtually |
| 04:33.09 | nekostar | simonrvn, linux-image-em64t-p4 - Linux kernel image on Intel em64t P4 machines <<--- thats all that apt-cache shows,, |
| 04:33.20 | nekostar | i just dont know what em64t means sorry |
| 04:33.40 | simonrvn | ok, just wondering. fyi, it's what LordNazgul said, "having physical access" |
| 04:33.42 | LordNazgul | mekostar p4 denotes intel pentium 4 and the 64 means 64 bit. just read what you are typing |
| 04:33.50 | dbindner_ | When I get a few thousand messages, I save and mbox. mbox1 mbox2 ... |
| 04:34.05 | nekostar | LordNazgul, yesh i get that much... but what is the em__t about? |
| 04:34.24 | LordNazgul | mekostar just ask your good friend google |
| 04:34.37 | nekostar | LordNazgul, been there typed that |
| 04:35.37 | stumbles | dbinder: do you categorise or just keep it all together? |
| 04:36.06 | LordNazgul | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=em64t |
| 04:36.21 | LordNazgul | seems to me that it is an intel 64 bit technology |
| 04:36.28 | stumbles | dbinder: annoying-relatives1, annoying-relatives2... |
| 04:36.29 | dbindner_ | stumbles: I just keep it all together. I'd probably be a good candidate for gmail. |
| 04:36.35 | Money | powder: so im supposed to mount the cd-rw drive? |
| 04:36.48 | Money | which drive do i mount it on? |
| 04:36.50 | dbindner_ | stumbles: I keep mailing lists separate I guess. |
| 04:36.59 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 04:36.59 | dpkg | methinks tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 04:37.30 | Money | help pleease |
| 04:38.21 | Money | what is the name of the thing im supposed to be mounting? |
| 04:38.23 | Money | cdrw?? |
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| 04:38.43 | Money | /dev/cdrom/ is already mounted in fstab |
| 04:39.22 | finn_ | Money, what's wrong? |
| 04:39.34 | dbindner_ | Usually people just mount /cdrom or maybe /mnt/cdrom (if the correct entries are listed in fstab): i.e. "mount /cdrom" |
| 04:40.02 | simonrvn | /media/ - LFS |
| 04:40.09 | Money | finn_ im trying to burn a cd,. but i got an error: the mount point for thw writing device could not be obtained. Please check thjat the writing device has an entry in /etc/fstab and then go to preferences and rescan for devices |
| 04:40.15 | simonrvn | er, FHS |
| 04:40.21 | Money | so i think i need to mount the cd-rw drive on a partition |
| 04:40.51 | finn_ | you don't mount stuff on partitions. you mount it in your filesystem (in a directory) |
| 04:41.01 | Money | oh, |
| 04:41.07 | Money | well how do i do this? |
| 04:41.43 | dbindner_ | I've never needed to mount a device to burn. Possibly the opposite... umount it. |
| 04:41.44 | finn_ | read what dbindner_ wrote. it's almost 7 am, I'm off to bed |
| 04:41.54 | daeos | LordNazgul: man the people in #ubuntu are hard to talk to, i found out where the HDD is, its in /proc/ide/hda/model but nobody will tell me how to mount it... one person had me 'cat /proc/ide/hda/model' |
| 04:41.57 | finn_ | bye |
| 04:42.08 | Money | dbinder: can you help me? |
| 04:42.23 | dbindner_ | Maybe. Do you have a .iso to burn? |
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| 04:42.40 | Kevin` | proc is for information, not device nodes |
| 04:42.46 | Kevin` | that cat was probably valid |
| 04:42.55 | LordNazgul | daeos. sorry i know nothing bout ubuntu cant help you at all with that |
| 04:42.55 | daeos | ok.... so |
| 04:43.03 | daeos | i see |
| 04:43.18 | Money | dbinder: im tring to burn a music file |
| 04:43.21 | nekostar | !pastebin |
| 04:43.21 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
| 04:43.23 | finn_ | daeos, if it's hda then simply "mount -t <filesystem> /dev/hda<numberofpartition> /existing/folder" |
| 04:43.57 | daeos | its a NTFS drive |
| 04:44.13 | Kevin` | drive? |
| 04:44.17 | daeos | HDD |
| 04:44.22 | daeos | filesystem |
| 04:44.25 | finn_ | "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda<numberofpartition> /existing/folder" |
| 04:44.25 | daeos | sorry |
| 04:44.40 | nekostar | um |
| 04:44.44 | Money | dbinder: so can you help? |
| 04:44.46 | Kevin` | daeos fdisk -l |
| 04:44.48 | dbindner_ | Money: Ok. So you have like a .wav file (that's the simplest). From a command line (as root), you can do something like # cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus to find the device name of you CD. Mine is 0,0,0. |
| 04:44.50 | finn_ | is it devided into partitions? |
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| 04:44.54 | Money | i really need hlep, i want to burn a music file |
| 04:44.58 | Money | um |
| 04:45.05 | Kevin` | windows is always divided into partitions |
| 04:45.08 | daeos | /dev/hdb1 |
| 04:45.12 | daeos | thats what i found |
| 04:45.15 | Money | dbind: ok, hold on, let me try that |
| 04:45.16 | nekostar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2268 anyone mind looking at that and seeing if there is something i should worry about? |
| 04:45.20 | daeos | /dev/hdb1 it found it this time |
| 04:45.29 | Kevin` | mount /dev/hdb1 /somewhere |
| 04:45.41 | nekostar | im updating my kernel b/c i dont want the xen stuff running... and i do get a couple of errors in there.. but im not sure if i should care about any of em,.... |
| 04:45.53 | nekostar | i want to boot into the new kernel but of course i dont wanna fuxxor it up lol |
| 04:45.56 | nekostar | pweeze?? |
| 04:46.02 | dbindner_ | Money: After that, (as root) # cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -audio file.wav |
| 04:46.03 | Kevin` | errors compiling? |
| 04:46.26 | Money | dbinder: i think i got some erros with that first command you gave me |
| 04:46.37 | Money | i'll paste them |
| 04:46.37 | finn_ | bye |
| 04:47.13 | daeos | ok i mounted it, and now it says Permission denied |
| 04:47.19 | daeos | when i try to access it |
| 04:47.29 | Kevin` | are you accessing it as root |
| 04:47.31 | Money | dbinder: http://pastebin.com/633800 |
| 04:47.46 | nekostar | my biggest worry is that the base-config package got taken out.... |
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| 04:47.59 | nekostar | could that enduce a crashing pannicky experience? |
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| 04:48.09 | daeos | chroot: cannot change root directory to cd: No such file or directory |
| 04:48.16 | daeos | i got this message this time |
| 04:48.24 | dbindner_ | Money: Do what it says then. Try # cdrecord -scanbus |
| 04:48.29 | Kevin` | why are you trying to chroot to an ntfs partition? |
| 04:49.17 | Money | dbinder: i got the same thing as i did the first time |
| 04:49.56 | daeos | after i mounted it even in chroot i can't go into it |
| 04:50.22 | Kevin` | wtf are you messing with chroot for |
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| 04:50.42 | daeos | o |
| 04:50.43 | daeos | duh lol |
| 04:50.44 | daeos | sorry |
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| 04:51.07 | dbindner_ | Money: Ok. That's not so great. Possibly, you need a kernel module, so try: modprobe sg |
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| 04:52.17 | dbindner_ | Money: then try the: cdrecord -scanbus again |
| 04:52.19 | simonrvn | chroot to ntfs? w... t... f.... |
| 04:52.30 | Money | alright, it went to the next line in the prompt |
| 04:52.44 | Money | it dind't return anything, i guess it returned true |
| 04:52.48 | Money | dbinde |
| 04:52.49 | Money | ok |
| 04:52.50 | Money | hold |
| 04:53.08 | simonrvn | exited with an error 0, i.e., success |
| 04:53.37 | Money | dbinder: i got the same erros again when i tried cdrecord -scanbus |
| 04:53.48 | dbindner_ | Ok. I need to think for a bit. |
| 04:53.54 | Money | ok |
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| 04:55.42 | dbindner_ | Money: Ok. Another angle. Let's make sure the kernel sees the device. # cd /proc/ide and use ls to see what devices are there. |
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| 04:56.35 | Money | dbinder: drivers hda hdc ide0 ide1 piix |
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| 04:57.37 | dbindner_ | Money: "cat hda/model hdc/model" and one of them should describe your CD drive. |
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| 04:57.48 | comsa | :) |
| 04:57.52 | itguy | can someone please explian to me how to mount a CD-ROM |
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| 04:58.10 | dbindner_ | itguy: If things were installed right, "mount /cdrom" |
| 04:58.32 | comsa | mount /dev/cdrom |
| 04:58.53 | dbindner_ | or what comsa says. |
| 04:59.13 | comsa | make sure cd in cady |
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| 04:59.36 | comsa | u in root |
| 04:59.55 | itguy | dbindner_: thats funny coz when i did that from the a-c-f1 i couldn't , but now in the windows i can |
| 04:59.56 | dbindner_ | Money: for example, my hdd/model contains "PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A" |
| 05:00.03 | Money | yes |
| 05:00.04 | Money | TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6402B |
| 05:00.08 | Money | thats what it returned |
| 05:00.13 | Money | thats my cd-rw drive |
| 05:01.46 | dbindner_ | Money: Have you ever actually burned with it (under Windows) because ROM usually doesn't mean burner... |
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| 05:02.39 | Money | dbinder: yes' i've burned with it |
| 05:02.49 | Money | music, vcd's, data, everything |
| 05:02.52 | Money | under windows |
| 05:02.56 | Money | xp |
| 05:03.38 | itguy | what is that mean "itguy@silverfox:~$ |
| 05:03.45 | Kevin` | probably been asked, but what commands have you tried to write to it |
| 05:03.59 | Kevin` | user@comuter:pwduser |
| 05:04.24 | daeos | finn_: i mounted the wrong HDD, when i try to mount the first HDD it says that it does not exist, and yet when using that head command, it found it |
| 05:04.38 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.49 | daeos | ==> /proc/ide/hdb/model <== |
| 05:04.49 | daeos | WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 |
| 05:05.03 | daeos | so i mounted the wrong hdd |
| 05:05.27 | Kevin` | I want more hard drives |
| 05:05.33 | dbindner_ | Money: I might have it. Try "modprobe sr_mod" |
| 05:05.45 | itguy | is there is a way i can clear all the commands that i typed |
| 05:05.55 | itguy | i tried sync but didn't do anything |
| 05:06.02 | Kevin` | export HISTSIZE=0 iirc |
| 05:06.08 | Kevin` | what do you mean clear |
| 05:06.26 | Money | dbinder: it returned true |
| 05:06.33 | dbindner_ | Try the scanbus again. |
| 05:06.35 | itguy | Kevin`: like when i push the up arrow nothing will show |
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| 05:06.42 | comsa | this will be interesting |
| 05:06.49 | Kevin` | itguy that command will work |
| 05:06.55 | Money | debindner: it returned true |
| 05:07.00 | Kevin` | for the current session only though |
| 05:07.04 | itguy | Kevin`: which command |
| 05:07.07 | Kevin` | for ever, remove ~/.bash_history |
| 05:07.15 | Kevin` | export HISTSIZE=0 |
| 05:07.40 | dbindner_ | Money: perhaps now 'cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus" shows a device for your writer? |
| 05:07.47 | Kevin` | I find it's faster to use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX then atapi:x.y.z |
| 05:07.48 | XBM-x | does anyone here knows how i unshadow my saved password on my pc for windows when i go to my email the password is as ***** how do i find the password on *** |
| 05:08.12 | bronze | <Hentai^XP> you can't |
| 05:08.12 | bronze | <Hentai^XP> thats the purpose of that **** |
| 05:08.27 | itguy | Kevin`: bash: remove: command not found |
| 05:08.29 | dbindner_ | Kevin`: I've had good luck with that and dvdrecord, but not cdrecord. Depends on the version I believe. |
| 05:08.37 | Kevin` | XBM-x that's not really a debian question, is it |
| 05:08.43 | Money | dbindner: i got the list of errors again :( |
| 05:08.47 | Kevin` | there is a ##windows, btw |
| 05:08.58 | XBM-x | Kevin: does ass holes on windows cant help shit |
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| 05:09.22 | bronze | XBM-x: You're right about that. |
| 05:09.36 | bronze | And we can't help you either. |
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| 05:09.52 | itguy | XBM-x: why are you say this? |
| 05:10.01 | dbindner_ | Money: Until you can run cdrecord -scanbus in some fashion and see the drive, you probably need to do some kind of kernel thing to make progress. You might try 'rmmod sg' in case it is getting in the way of 'sr_mod' somehow. An 'lsmod' would do any harm, so see what modules you have loaded. |
| 05:10.12 | nekostar | Kevin`, can one make cdrecord do a forced burn if one had done a hostile eject? |
| 05:10.43 | Kevin` | nekostar iono |
| 05:10.46 | XBM-x | god damn it i wish i was friend with Kevin Mitnick i'm sure he was going to help me right now |
| 05:11.05 | Kevin` | ya, but your not |
| 05:11.06 | Kevin` | =p |
| 05:11.19 | Money | debindner: when i typed in rmmod sg, it returned true |
| 05:11.39 | dbindner_ | How about a paste of 'dmesg' and a paste of 'lsmod'? |
| 05:11.42 | itguy | Kevin`: how can i clear the bash history |
| 05:11.57 | Kevin` | I remember seeing some program/library/control replacement to un-star the password fields of windows programs, but i've never cared enough to find it |
| 05:12.10 | Kevin` | rm ~/.bash_history |
| 05:12.11 | Kevin` | and |
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| 05:12.15 | comsa | clear |
| 05:12.16 | XBM-x | i try to find Kevin Mitnick online but that was a wast of time i guess hes hided some where :( |
| 05:12.17 | Kevin` | export HISTSIZE=0 |
| 05:12.33 | unstable | lol |
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| 05:12.41 | Money | debindner: this is the contents of lsmod, http://pastebin.com/633814 |
| 05:12.43 | comsa | clear? |
| 05:12.54 | Kevin` | if you found him I don't think he'd help you |
| 05:13.09 | XBM-x | :( |
| 05:13.13 | bronze | Oh he'd "help" all right.... |
| 05:13.15 | Zugschlus | twobitsprite: you have documentation for exim 3 and are running exim3. read the information in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base that you have been pointed to already |
| 05:13.16 | Kevin` | haha |
| 05:13.28 | unstable | Kevin Mitnick is a windoze user anyway...he hacks the phone network mostly, not linux. |
| 05:13.33 | XBM-x | your not Kevin are you? |
| 05:13.34 | itguy | comsa: i know but if i pressed the arrow key it'll still show that past commands |
| 05:13.47 | itguy | Kevin`: that didn't work |
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| 05:14.07 | Kevin` | itguy well, it works for me |
| 05:14.55 | daeos | once i get my hda mounted, how can i fix grub? |
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| 05:15.04 | XBM-x | Kevin mitnick is one of the top best hacker on the planet |
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| 05:15.30 | Kevin` | I know who he is |
| 05:15.37 | XBM-x | really? |
| 05:15.57 | Kevin` | well you said yourself he's the "top", why wouldn't I have heard of him |
| 05:16.04 | unstable | Kevin Mitnick isn't allowed to use a computer anyway, it's a condition of his parole. |
| 05:16.13 | bucky | XBM-x: http://www.kevinmitnick.com/ |
| 05:16.28 | unstable | Even when he was on that tv show alias, they had get a fake computer prop, so he wasn't using a real one. |
| 05:16.31 | XBM-x | i call him but he din;t pickup the phone |
| 05:16.45 | Kevin` | wtf would you call him |
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| 05:17.04 | unstable | XBM-x: no he isn't. |
| 05:17.09 | XBM-x | talk share infomation |
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| 05:17.09 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.12 | unstable | He did on hacking at all. |
| 05:17.18 | unstable | All his attacks were social engineering. |
| 05:17.26 | unstable | He would listen to voice mails from DEC and other shit like that. |
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| 05:17.44 | unstable | He did a lot of illegal things, but 5% of them were technical. |
| 05:17.44 | bucky | mitnick couldn't even compile a kernel |
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| 05:18.01 | unstable | granted, he has ample technical ability....but he never really used it in his crimes. |
| 05:18.11 | unstable | It was all social engineering. |
| 05:18.24 | XBM-x | then who is the TOP? |
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| 05:18.37 | bucky | V is for Vendetta |
| 05:18.41 | XBM-x | everyone is a pussy get power over computer and dont use it |
| 05:18.42 | bucky | he's the top |
| 05:18.43 | unstable | XBM-x: The top hackers don't get any press, they are hidden and anonymous. |
| 05:18.54 | unstable | XBM-x: any hackers that sit in front of cameras are lame monkey wannabes. |
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| 05:19.30 | XBM-x | right now i;m fucking up dumb ass n00bs with routhers open on the net |
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| 05:19.40 | XBM-x | in brazil |
| 05:19.45 | Kevin` | my router is open to the net |
| 05:20.01 | XBM-x | they leave 80 open so i can have control of anything |
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| 05:20.10 | unstable | yea, that makes sense XBM-x |
| 05:20.11 | dbindner_ | Money: I don't see anything wrong in your lsmod. All I keep coming back to is that your model can't write. You don't happen to have a CDROM and a CDRW both in your computer do you? |
| 05:20.41 | XBM-x | pwd admin user admin any baby can guest that |
| 05:20.44 | Kevin` | XBM-x, how nice of you |
| 05:20.46 | itguy | how can i see a JPG file |
| 05:20.46 | dbindner_ | Money: Because according to this page http://projects.fentman.id.au/manuals/cdrdao/ your model is a reader. |
| 05:21.26 | Money | dbindner: i've burned cd's with this toshibca when i had windows, it can write |
| 05:21.32 | Money | toshiba* |
| 05:21.41 | XBM-x | i'm 17 i been learning hacking when i was 11 i'm sure i can be like kevin mitnick or even better |
| 05:21.45 | Gnea | XBM-x: heh, you're such a poser :) |
| 05:22.07 | Money | i have a cd-rom, then i have a serpate cd-rw drive (the toshiba) |
| 05:22.50 | Gnea | Money: is the cdrw working in linux? or is that what you're trying to get it to do? |
| 05:23.12 | dbindner_ | You only had two hard drive devices showing in /proc. Presumably one is your hard drive.... yes? If the other was your CDROM, then in fact the CDRW isn't showing to the kernel. That points to a kernel problem. |
| 05:23.16 | XBM-x | proxy from japan ip from US where i am now?? |
| 05:23.24 | itguy | how can i see a JPG file?please |
| 05:23.30 | Money | Gnea: know its not working, it worked fine in windows though |
| 05:23.37 | Gnea | XBM-x: you have no idea how old that is. |
| 05:23.40 | Kevin` | XBM-x my router really is open btw.. unfortunately it doesn't have admin/admin for access ;).. break anythning and die, however |
| 05:24.12 | XBM-x | i can easy crack that shit |
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| 05:24.18 | Gnea | !troll XBM-x |
| 05:24.18 | Kevin` | oooh yay |
| 05:24.23 | bill | test |
| 05:24.25 | zinx | Money: i recommend using it in windows |
| 05:24.41 | XBM-x | i'm a troll now?? |
| 05:24.48 | Gnea | you were a troll then |
| 05:24.54 | zinx | Gnea: it's a "TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6402B", apparently. i'm recommending he use it in windows, since he can write with it in windows :D |
| 05:25.21 | Gnea | zinx: oh, it should be a piece of cake then, did he specify kernel version? |
| 05:25.24 | XBM-x | dude i'm 100% over this server i can do anything |
| 05:25.27 | Kevin` | XBM-x if you do, I will no longer consider you to be an idiot |
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| 05:25.36 | Gnea | XBM-x: you can shut up |
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| 05:25.47 | zinx | Gnea: read the model number carefully. |
| 05:25.50 | bill | hi - I just compiled Mplayer and then it's mozilla plugin on my sarge machine. It required me to install libpng, libgtk2.0-dev, and mozilla-dev. After I finished, KMail is broken - it is always totally locked whenever I run it. |
| 05:25.56 | XBM-x | i'm thinking about deleting the files and shut down the system |
| 05:26.02 | chance2105 | Where would one change the console keymappings? |
| 05:26.06 | zinx | Gnea: I don't think kernel version is going to matter. |
| 05:26.13 | Gnea | zinx: ooooooooooooh - good point |
| 05:26.16 | Kevin` | XBM-x just shut it down, please |
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| 05:26.25 | Gnea | XBM-x: please do so |
| 05:26.30 | dbindner_ | I'd also check your jumpers. From conversation so far, I'd say hda (primary IDE device 0) is your hard drive, hdc (secondary IDE device 0) is your CDROM. Probably hdb or hdd should be the CDRW. If it isn't showing up, then I'd look for jumpers, or possibly another IDE card that hasn't had its driver loaded. |
| 05:26.42 | zinx | Gnea: windows is performing an impossible feat.. I don't know how I'd start to make linux write with that drive :D |
| 05:27.02 | Kevin` | perhaps the drive identification is incorrect somehow |
| 05:27.06 | itguy | wow Kevin` i wish i knew 1\2 what u know man |
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| 05:27.34 | zinx | Kevin`: nah, there's a MMC command that gives that entire spew.. it's not practical for it to be incorrect |
| 05:27.43 | Gnea | Kevin`: i bet XBM-x doesn't have the balls to delete everything! |
| 05:27.46 | bill | why did my kmail stop working? |
| 05:27.47 | dbindner_ | No, I don't think it is just that. He only had 2 devices in /proc/ide |
| 05:27.52 | XBM-x | This server have ftp and telnet open woot now i get even more power over this server |
| 05:27.59 | zinx | Kevin`: it's not just a number that gets translated somewhere.. the drive actually gives that exact string |
| 05:28.16 | Kevin` | XBM-x I have ssh open too.. ftp and telnet won't work for root, of course |
| 05:28.30 | Gnea | zinx: you mean this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/03/msg00560.html |
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| 05:28.59 | zinx | Gnea: no, i mean it's a read-only device |
| 05:29.02 | dbindner_ | Money: Have you had the case open to work on it. I'd look for a loose cable. If the drive worked at one time and doesn't now, that would be a typical cause. |
| 05:29.09 | Gnea | XBM-x: ooo yeah, telnet - l33tn3ss 3r33t! |
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| 05:29.11 | bill | is mplayer malicious software? |
| 05:29.16 | Kevin` | no |
| 05:29.36 | zinx | bill: that depends, are you RMS? |
| 05:29.36 | Gnea | zinx: hmm yeah, but he mentioned that he has a cdrw *in addition to* the cdrom |
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| 05:30.01 | zinx | Gnea: yeah.. it's not getting detected apparently |
| 05:30.09 | bill | whats' rms? |
| 05:30.15 | zinx | bill: a very scary man. |
| 05:30.18 | Kevin` | lol |
| 05:30.18 | Gnea | zinx: so what's the model # of the cdrw? |
| 05:30.24 | zinx | Gnea: no one knows :D |
| 05:30.30 | dbindner_ | rms=Richard M Stallman, a very unusual advocate. |
| 05:30.34 | Gnea | Money: why don't you tell us?! |
| 05:30.38 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:30.54 | zinx | Gnea: he doesn't know.. he has to get it detected first.. :D |
| 05:30.55 | Gnea | RMS will eat you up and spit out the seeds, the plants and the pots |
| 05:31.06 | XBM-x | my work is done files delted and server shut down hahaha n00bs now tomorrow someone is going to be wheres my files with no logs or traces |
| 05:31.20 | Kevin` | XBM-x no, not some random server, MY server |
| 05:31.21 | Money | dbindner: its because of linux, i know it, it worked everytime in windows, then when i switched to linux it doens't work |
| 05:31.22 | Gnea | zinx: how difficult is it to open the system up and look at the label on the drive itself? :P |
| 05:31.25 | Kevin` | don't delete any movies |
| 05:31.28 | yooser | 9.9 |
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| 05:31.51 | yooser | yeah dont delete the porn |
| 05:31.53 | Gnea | XBM-x: hehe someday someone is going to point a gun to your head and pull the trigger |
| 05:32.33 | bill | you are pulling my leg |
| 05:32.38 | dbindner_ | Money: No. I think something is wrong. CDRW drives aren't the kind of things that don't get detected. You should boot and see if the BIOS sees the drive. I'm guessing it won't. Because something is wrong with the cabling or the jumpers or the drive or the controller. At this point I find it hard to blame Linux. |
| 05:32.43 | XBM-x | Use this page to commit changes to system memory and reboot your system with different configurations. LOL |
| 05:32.45 | bill | but why did kmail stop? |
| 05:32.46 | unstable | !ops XBM-x has been trolling for 20 minutes talking about "hacking" as he calls it |
| 05:32.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: XBM-x has been trolling for 20 minutes talking about "hacking" as he calls it |
| 05:32.56 | bill | hi - I just compiled Mplayer and then it's mozilla plugin on my sarge machine. It required me to install libpng, libgtk2.0-dev, and mozilla-dev. After I finished, KMail is broken - it is always totally locked whenever I run it. |
| 05:33.31 | zinx | bill: that's unfortunate.. you can try removing the packages you installed |
| 05:33.32 | bill | i used synaptic to add the requirements |
| 05:33.33 | Money | debindner: i've checked the cables, there all plugged in |
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| 05:33.49 | bill | ok |
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| 05:33.53 | zinx | Money: does your BIOS detect the drive? |
| 05:33.58 | dbindner_ | I'd try the BIOS thing. Maybe just because I'm out of other ideas. |
| 05:34.10 | Gnea | !ops no really, XBM-x just admitted to doing so: 22:31 < XBM-x> my work is done files delted and server shut down hahaha n00bs now tomorrow someone is going to be wheres my files with no logs or traces |
| 05:34.10 | zinx | Money: i.e., both CD drives -- it should list them as CD drives |
| 05:34.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: no really, XBM-x just admitted to doing so: 22:31 < XBM-x> my work is done files delted and server shut down hahaha n00bs now tomorrow someone is going to be wheres my files with no logs or traces |
| 05:34.11 | Money | zinx: i don't know |
| 05:34.12 | nekostar | hm |
| 05:34.23 | kadigibox | hello. where are debian packages saved at after they have been DLed by dpkg? |
| 05:34.28 | unstable | bill: move your kmail preferences from ~/.kde/kmail or where ever they are stored(I don't use kde) then start kmail |
| 05:34.30 | nekostar | how does one ensure that all the modules are installed needed to make grub//lilo work from sda? |
| 05:34.45 | nekostar | im modding a current install and it seems that neither lilo nor grub are currently installed... |
| 05:34.49 | zinx | Money: a reboot and a quick eye (they tend to flash by pretty quickly) will remedy that |
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| 05:35.14 | Gnea | XBM-x: are you sure that remote logging wasn't turned on in the first place? |
| 05:35.42 | Money | zinx: no, just forget, i won't see it anyway, damn this is messed up |
| 05:35.59 | zinx | Money: o_O |
| 05:36.00 | Gnea | Money: are you aware of the dmesg command? |
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| 05:36.25 | Money | Gnea? no, i'' run it now |
| 05:37.00 | Kevin` | XBM-x i'm curious about something |
| 05:37.02 | Gnea | Money: instead of rebooting, you should be able to see all detected hardware models and versions and basic detection info with it |
| 05:37.13 | Money | ok, i ran it |
| 05:37.23 | Money | it was a list of a bunch of stuff, paste in? |
| 05:37.25 | Gnea | ok now shift+pageup and look for your CDRW drive |
| 05:37.27 | dbindner_ | yes |
| 05:37.30 | unstable | !paste |
| 05:37.31 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 05:37.37 | Gnea | Money: paste it to the website |
| 05:37.51 | Gnea | or dmesg |
| 05:37.54 | Gnea | or dmesg | less |
| 05:38.29 | Azar | I'd ignore the clown |
| 05:38.58 | Money | Gnea: http://pastebin.com/633831 |
| 05:39.13 | XBM-x | now i'm using it notpad to find pwds in flash sites |
| 05:39.15 | bill | unstable: i moved .kde/share/config/kmailrc, and it did not have an effect |
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| 05:39.29 | freakabcd | hi all |
| 05:39.30 | unstable | bill: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak |
| 05:39.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-66-177-222-250.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] by helix |
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| 05:39.32 | dbindner_ | Too late. you need to reboot and get an early copy of 'dmesg' before it fills with all that network junk. |
| 05:39.34 | unstable | bill: Then try it. |
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| 05:39.38 | dbindner_ | Time for me to go to bed. |
| 05:39.42 | dbindner_ | Good luck |
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| 05:40.09 | Azar | kudos to helix |
| 05:40.41 | bill | try what? |
| 05:40.57 | bill | ok i see |
| 05:41.53 | Gnea | Money: okay, what about the contents of /var/log/dmesg ? |
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| 05:42.27 | bill | unstable: it doesn't work, just looks good now |
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| 05:42.47 | unstable | bill: mv ~/.kde.bak ~/.kde to go back to the way it was. |
| 05:42.54 | unstable | !tell bill about bts |
| 05:43.49 | Money | Gnea: dmesg, is not a directory |
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| 05:45.44 | engineerdat | hi, i have a box running sarge and plone, but i want to get a new-ish version of plone, what is the best way to go about this? do i get the testing packages, or upgrade to testing, or complie from source? or another way? |
| 05:45.55 | engineerdat | oh and i checked backports.org and no luck |
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| 05:46.35 | bill | can you tell me if kpackage is better than synaptic? I think it should be able to undo or at least keep a list of the changes that it made, or does it? I know, check it out myself. |
| 05:47.06 | Azar | engineerdat: only in unstable, means you get screwed just to get plone |
| 05:49.38 | bill | i know uninstall packages won't uninstall dependencies |
| 05:49.51 | bill | doesn;t make sens that install package would break anything |
| 05:50.20 | Azar | engineerdat: still want it? |
| 05:50.34 | engineerdat | Azar, sorry, i don't know what you meant above by 'only in unstable' |
| 05:51.14 | engineerdat | plone in testing is new enough for me |
| 05:51.23 | Azar | engineerdat: plone does now work on sarge or etch/testing, because Plone depends upon the zope-cmf that is available in unstable only |
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| 05:52.36 | engineerdat | Azar, ah i see. im not totally comfortable using unstable, so im not sure what ill do... |
| 05:53.24 | bartlebee | one can mix packages safely can't one? |
| 05:53.30 | uwe | hello, if i download the source code of a package using apt-get source, would the Make file be ready with the options that debian default package was compiled with |
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| 05:54.31 | engineerdat | bartlebee, i've heard of some people doing that. i think i would like to do that so i can stay with sarge and (try to) run the plone testing pkg. unless someone knows of a better way |
| 05:55.21 | unstable | uwe: yes |
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| 05:58.04 | daeos | anyone know of a good tool used on a floppy or cd that can erase the MBR? |
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| 05:58.26 | Kevin` | linux/busybox/dd |
| 05:58.44 | gosaoro | hi |
| 05:58.44 | bartlebee | engineerdat: it's really not that difficult, not should it cause problems -- try it on a test server and see |
| 05:58.47 | bartlebee | engineerdat: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
| 05:58.56 | gosaoro | i am problem with exim 4 |
| 05:59.15 | gosaoro | i have not send mail to hotmail :s |
| 06:00.08 | kadigibox | can anyone tell me where the packages are saved from dpkg |
| 06:00.11 | streuner | daeos: lilo? |
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| 06:00.45 | Azar | engineerdat: try here http://archives.free.net.ph/mindex/debian-pkg-zope@20060303.082704.c09035dd.en.html |
| 06:00.48 | streuner | kadigibox: /var/lib/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 06:00.54 | daeos | streuner: i've given up on trying to mount my hda1, i just need to know how i can wipe clean the MBR |
| 06:00.58 | daeos | period |
| 06:01.00 | daeos | if not |
| 06:01.02 | cahoot | /var/cache? |
| 06:01.09 | Azar | engineerdat: Fabio Tranchitella's |
| 06:01.23 | joseph | does debian stable get non-security related bug fixes? |
| 06:01.28 | cahoot | daeos: dd |
| 06:01.30 | bartlebee | gosaoro: you can send email to external domains but hotmail bounces your message? |
| 06:01.31 | daeos | would it be worth my while intalling debian on my system which would repair it on the first HDD and allow dual booting still |
| 06:01.34 | daeos | dd ? |
| 06:01.37 | daeos | what is dd |
| 06:01.43 | gosaoro | yes |
| 06:01.53 | engineerdat | bartlebee, thx, that link is perfect |
| 06:02.31 | gosaoro | i can sed mail to other domains gmail, yahoo, etc but to hotmail i have not send |
| 06:02.44 | gosaoro | sorry mi inglishis bad :( |
| 06:03.40 | bartlebee | gosaoro: I am not sure here, but it is possible that hotmail is doing a reverse lookup on your smtp server |
| 06:03.41 | kadigibox | thanks streuner |
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| 06:03.55 | bartlebee | let me check, I don't have a ptr for my ip either :) |
| 06:04.00 | unstable | !tell gosaoro about es |
| 06:04.09 | joeyjones | !es |
| 06:04.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:04.25 | gosaoro | ok ok |
| 06:04.30 | gosaoro | thanks |
| 06:04.35 | gosaoro | :D |
| 06:04.36 | joeyjones | !ptr |
| 06:04.36 | dpkg | ptr is probably pointer PTR is the type of DNS record which maps ip addresses to names (reverse DNS) |
| 06:04.43 | unstable | gosaoro: You can choose either, if you want help here you can stay. It's your preference. |
| 06:05.11 | gosaoro | thanks, but my inglish is very bad |
| 06:05.26 | Azar | joseph, I would assume no, the packages on stable are well tested and frozen, upgrades will go to the next release |
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| 06:06.51 | argent | hey |
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| 06:07.48 | unstable | !greet argent |
| 06:07.48 | dpkg | Tag, argent |
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| 06:08.14 | bartlebee | gosaoro: yeah I think you definitely need reverse dns for hotmail |
| 06:08.34 | gosaoro | explication please :) |
| 06:08.53 | gosaoro | and how ? |
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| 06:10.09 | unstable | !reverse dns |
| 06:10.29 | gosaoro | yes reverse dns |
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| 06:11.23 | bartlebee | gosaoro: whoever your ISP is (the people who assign you your IP address) they have to either add a PTR for your IP, or, if you have a portion of a subnet and are running your own DNS, you can ask them to loop it back to you |
| 06:12.07 | gosaoro | google traslator help me :P |
| 06:12.41 | bartlebee | gosaoro: try #debian-es as unstable suggested, they may be able to explain it better |
| 06:12.51 | unstable | !reverse_dns |
| 06:12.51 | dpkg | from memory, reverse_dns is in the context of internet protocol/domain name system a reverse lookup, often referred to simply as reverse resolving, or more specifically reverse DNS lookups. Typically, DNS is used to determine what IP address is associated with a given hostname; so to reverse resolve a known IP address is to lookup what the associated hostname for it is. |
| 06:13.12 | gosaoro | ok, i have my server dns |
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| 06:13.46 | unstable | gosaoro: Like when I whois you... "/whois gosaoro" I see "201.155.119.9" |
| 06:13.57 | Azar | damn I never seen a paster like that what does ubuntu have that debian don't? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11208 |
| 06:14.05 | unstable | But when I /dns you I see dsl-201-155-119-9.prod-empresarial.com.mx |
| 06:14.38 | gosaoro | no, the ip is 200.67.167.120 |
| 06:14.51 | unstable | gosaoro: basically your internet service providor "prod-empressarial" sucks |
| 06:14.54 | gosaoro | 201.155.119.9 es my home |
| 06:15.09 | gosaoro | 200.67.167.120 is my work |
| 06:15.27 | argent | what are deb orphans? |
| 06:15.30 | gosaoro | the problem i have in my work |
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| 06:15.34 | argent | !orphans |
| 06:15.43 | argent | !deborphan |
| 06:15.43 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 06:15.49 | Azar | argent: packages waiting for parents to care for them |
| 06:16.03 | argent | dpkg, thanks |
| 06:16.04 | dpkg | de rien, argent |
| 06:16.35 | Azar | no way dpkg speaks french too? |
| 06:17.44 | bartlebee | gosaoro: call this number: +52 55 54907000 [7049] -- talk to David Chavez Alba -- ask him to add a ptr for your assigned IP -- or ask him how it works |
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| 06:18.28 | gosaoro | ok |
| 06:18.31 | gosaoro | thanks |
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| 06:19.23 | bartlebee | hope it helps :) |
| 06:20.47 | Azar | april's fools.. coding4Fun last year published that Redmond press announced the development for Visual Studio for Linux |
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| 06:22.43 | cast | i'm running sarge with a backports.org kernel [as instructed]. now my question is will my HD power down? or does it spin forever and ever. i could try waiting and seeing if it ever spins down, but thats a bit of fuss as things are often writing to the hd and i'd have to take apart the case |
| 06:22.46 | grendelson | I've been reading all day about using ldap for authentication and setup ldap auth on a small debian desktop. |
| 06:23.00 | cast | uh, by power down i mean stop spinning |
| 06:23.11 | grendelson | Now I have my main machine adn I read ldap, samba, setup at debian -administration |
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| 06:24.01 | grendelson | BUT I still can't seem to figure out if using ldap for login reuqires an admin to manually create home directories when adding users via LDAP admin tools.. Is there a ldap aware adduser command? |
| 06:24.25 | xwl | Hi, how to check outgoing mails' status sent by exim? i didn't find a proper command line option from exim... |
| 06:25.00 | Azar | cast that was confuze.. |
| 06:25.22 | bartlebee | grendelson when you use ldap as a data-store, you usually tell pam to authenticate users and allow ldap users to login -- similarly, pam login will create the user's home folder if it doesn't exist (based on your ldap home-dir attribute) |
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| 06:26.38 | daeos | ok, so i've installed debian with the net install cd, and im at GRUB now, what would i do in order to ADD windows XP to the list of bootable OSs ? |
| 06:26.51 | grendelson | bartlebee, That's what I was looking for - I saw one setup web site that mentioned adding a pam lien to ssh so the home dir would be created , I could not figure out how to get testuser a home dr without manually creating it - not sure what I missed :-( |
| 06:26.53 | daeos | linux is on hdb1 and windows is on hda1 |
| 06:27.14 | cast | Azar: some devices never spin down hardisks and the consequently die :\ |
| 06:27.21 | Azar | xwl I used to use a mail reader app named mutt |
| 06:27.40 | kadigibox | Can you change the file system on thumbdrives? |
| 06:27.47 | grendelson | bartlebee, I got simple authentication working, but if I use ldap tool to craeate new user (test2user) I can login with user but I get no home using /tmp error? |
| 06:27.48 | gosaoro | bye |
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| 06:27.52 | Azar | cast, ah I see .. |
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| 06:28.18 | grendelson | bartlebee, Not sure what I missed? |
| 06:28.30 | xwl | Azar: oh, but mutt is just a MUA, it won't know the real status of outgoing mails, huh? |
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| 06:28.51 | bartlebee | grendelson: haven't done this on debian, but on sles9 I have the following in 'login': session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask=0022 |
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| 06:29.02 | Azar | xwl, maybe this will help: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-mta |
| 06:29.12 | bartlebee | so pam_mkhomedir in common-session i would think |
| 06:30.00 | grendelson | bartlebee, That exact same line is what I read to put in /etc/pam.d/ssh to allow home dirs to get crated but for the life of me I couldn't figure out where to have it for local logins! |
| 06:30.40 | Azar | xwl or better yet check the exim's site for documentation and FAQ |
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| 06:36.41 | Azar | :) NewEgg to buy Dell: Post acquisition, NewEgg/Dell will be called KaChing Booyah. |
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| 06:36.42 | bartlebee | grendelson: this may help some : http://www.finnie.org/text/debian-domain-auth.html |
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| 06:39.53 | grendelson | bartlebee, At first I was thinking Wait I don;t want my linux laptop to connect to Win PDC I want windows laptop to connect to Linux PDC, then I saw the last line- I must be misssing that in my session on my test pc - I'll check it back in the office - |
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| 06:40.32 | cast | ' noflushd monitors disk activity and spins down <disk>s that have been idle for a certain amount of time. ' |
| 06:40.45 | grendelson | I think I have enough docs on how to get OpenLdap authentication and SAMBA all working correctly so my win laptop canplop down on wireless network adn I can use my linux login to login and gain my home dir... |
| 06:40.49 | cast | hmm, so i need to install that before my disks will spin down? |
| 06:40.50 | grendelson | exciting but scary! |
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| 06:42.33 | grendelson | bartlebee, I started making my test machine use ldap for authentication just to get more familiar with ldap (i;m working ona project that uses it in a big way). But when I realized I couldnt use adduser it took a while to realize I had to use LDAP tool :-) |
| 06:43.17 | grendelson | bartlebee, then I added users just fine and logged in but as I mentioned that not creating home dirs was a pain in butt, and none of the debian specific walkthrus seemed to mention it at all |
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| 06:43.34 | bartlebee | grendelson: http://phpldapadmin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:44.11 | grendelson | bartlebee, Heard lots of good things, and the newer online tutoriasl on setting up ldap auth adn samba all mention it! |
| 06:44.39 | clody | ? |
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| 06:45.51 | clody | ¶Ôdebhelper˵ŁşIs there anyone? |
| 06:46.01 | clody | Is there anyone? |
| 06:46.10 | streuner | no |
| 06:46.15 | streuner | just ask |
| 06:46.33 | streuner | !ask |
| 06:46.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:46.34 | grendelson | bartlebee, Right off the bat I can see one feature I like -- auto increment uid. I was wondering hwo the heck I was going to lkeep track of UID GID I've already created. Seemed like I'd have to search then sort all my uid to see what last one used was. again so used to just adduser doing it all for me! |
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| 06:46.52 | clody | !ask |
| 06:46.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:47.04 | morning_wood | DCC SEND sandyvagina 0 0 0 |
| 06:47.07 | morning_wood | ouch |
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| 06:47.24 | bartlebee | grendelson, hmm, I think that's a new one -- i need to upgrade :) |
| 06:47.25 | clody | Is there anyone who can speak Chinese? |
| 06:47.32 | dabaR | !cn |
| 06:47.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE čżć¸ˇćĺĽĺ§ďĽčŻ¦ć请é读 |
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| 06:47.40 | morning_wood | nasty huh |
| 06:47.41 | streuner | clody: ask in english |
| 06:47.44 | morning_wood | DCC SEND sandyvagina 0 0 0 |
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| 06:49.29 | grendelson | bartlebee, Thanks for the help - I need to sleeeeeep now :-) g,night |
| 06:50.03 | bartlebee | np, g'nite |
| 06:50.09 | grendelson | bartlebee, (I won't make mistake of trying to implement a huge change like ldap/samba etc at 2AM :-) |
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| 06:51.53 | streuner | clody: so what's the problem? |
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| 06:52.47 | clody | message only for u |
| 06:52.47 | uwe | hello, im trying to compile mysql 4.0.24 on debian sarge, i keep getting the error "config.status: error: cannot find input file: Docs/Makefile.in", on google i found a suggestion to copy the file from the tar from mysql website, so i did download the standard mysql 4.0.24 package, but i cant find the Docs/Makefile.in file there ... any ideas?! |
| 06:53.09 | yooser | quit |
| 06:53.20 | streuner | clody: ask before you private message somebody first, please. |
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| 06:53.34 | clody | ÎŇ˵»°ÄăĂÇż´µÄ¶®Âđ |
| 06:53.47 | clody | I comes from Chinese |
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| 06:54.11 | streuner | clody: yes, we already know. |
| 06:54.26 | clody | but my Englist is poor |
| 06:54.43 | streuner | mine is not very better |
| 06:54.46 | streuner | so just ask |
| 06:55.09 | clody | Can you speak Chinese? |
| 06:55.27 | streuner | some of us, but we prefer english here |
| 06:55.30 | dabaR | That is not a debian related question. |
| 06:55.50 | clody | :( |
| 06:56.02 | dabaR | Ask a debian related question in english here. |
| 06:56.32 | clody | what is the word "debian" meaning? |
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| 06:56.48 | cahoot | dabaR: why can't you accept the fact that the person is trying to establisha ground for communication? |
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| 06:57.35 | streuner | clody: Deb and Ian (his wife and the founder of debian) - there fist name together means debian. |
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| 06:58.48 | clody | studying Englist .... |
| 06:58.55 | uwe | no one knows .... |
| 06:59.33 | streuner | s/fist/first/ |
| 07:00.26 | streuner | !debian |
| 07:00.26 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 07:01.24 | bill | unstable : i found my KMail problem |
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| 07:01.34 | clody | !help |
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| 07:01.54 | bill | I moved the new mail from my Mail folder and then it cleared it up! |
| 07:02.36 | bill | i think a bad message came in to FoxGUI mailing list at the same time I was installing mplayer |
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| 07:05.46 | clody | how to register a channel? |
| 07:06.01 | simonrvn | /msg chanserv help |
| 07:06.10 | clody | thanks |
| 07:06.23 | The-Saint | anybody here know how to set up internet connection sharing with a debian host and a windows client? |
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| 07:06.44 | streuner | on your router install ipmasq |
| 07:07.01 | The-Saint | heh...router? |
| 07:07.15 | The-Saint | i wish.... |
| 07:07.19 | streuner | well, you can use debian as router |
| 07:07.52 | The-Saint | oh, okay |
| 07:08.00 | streuner | just install ipmasq, but on this box must be the i-net connection to your ISP then |
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| 07:08.13 | The-Saint | yeah |
| 07:08.29 | clody | I can not find any help when use the command "/ms help" |
| 07:08.48 | streuner | clody: "/msg chanserv help" |
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| 07:09.21 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.26 | The-Saint | right, the rig is thus: cable modem, my box (that i'm talking to you from), my linphobic wife's virus-ridden windows box. |
| 07:10.41 | clody | thanks |
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| 07:12.05 | The-Saint | so how do i configure this ipmasq thing, then? |
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| 07:13.08 | streuner | well, you just need to tell on the client side where to find the gateway (debian) |
| 07:13.57 | streuner | if you using an official debian kernel there shouldn't many problems then... |
| 07:14.09 | streuner | be* |
| 07:14.12 | cahoot | ipmasq? people still start with that? |
| 07:14.17 | The-Saint | right, can i tell ipmasq what i want my private i to be or does it do that automatically? |
| 07:14.29 | The-Saint | ip* |
| 07:14.55 | streuner | !ipmasq |
| 07:14.55 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 07:15.24 | streuner | ipmasq is a bunch of netfilter rules |
| 07:15.59 | streuner | it masquerade connections between clients and server in order to use *ONE* IP |
| 07:16.06 | streuner | not more and not less |
| 07:16.31 | streuner | and this *ONE* IP is the IP you get from your ISP |
| 07:16.46 | The-Saint | okay, so what gateway ip do i give the client...not my external ip, surely? |
| 07:16.53 | streuner | no |
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| 07:17.23 | streuner | ones you have ipmasq installed your debian box function as gateway then |
| 07:17.49 | streuner | so the IP of the debian-box is the gateway for your windows-box (in this case) |
| 07:18.11 | streuner | but there are examples and docs for ipmasq too |
| 07:18.20 | The-Saint | the client needs a "default gateway" address....what do i give it? |
| 07:18.21 | streuner | /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/* |
| 07:18.34 | streuner | the IP of the debian-box |
| 07:18.40 | streuner | run 'ifconfig' |
| 07:19.37 | streuner | besides at tldp.org are docs about how to setup a cable-modem and NAT too... |
| 07:19.55 | streuner | (2 ni's in one box...) |
| 07:20.05 | streuner | s/ni's/nic's/ |
| 07:20.36 | The-Saint | yeah, i've got it, i just can't find the gateway ip |
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| 07:21.08 | streuner | what's the ip of your debian-box? |
| 07:21.42 | The-Saint | i don't know, that's the whole issue! |
| 07:21.51 | streuner | run ifconfig |
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| 07:22.38 | The-Saint | ifconfig gives me the external ip, as in, the one that ipchicken.com would show me....i give the client THAT as the gateway? |
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| 07:23.10 | streuner | should be something like '192.168.1.10' |
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| 07:23.38 | The-Saint | nope, 82.41.25.225 |
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| 07:25.05 | The-Saint | a 192.168,1,x ip would be what my dad's 10/100 router used to give me...a private ip....which i would like, but i don't have one |
| 07:25.10 | dabaR | The-Saint: do you have two ethernet cards on your debian? |
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| 07:26.00 | The-Saint | no |
| 07:26.05 | dabaR | The-Saint: is the cable modem connected using USB? Or how do you connect to modem and windows computer at the same time? |
| 07:26.21 | The-Saint | a 12-port hub. |
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| 07:26.41 | dabaR | He will need virtual interfaces set up? |
| 07:26.44 | GN_rucus_AA | DCC SEND gentoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 07:26.44 | GN_rucus_AA | DCC SEND gentoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 07:27.00 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 07:27.04 | The-Saint | i explained all this before we started. |
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| 07:27.22 | streuner | The-Saint: /j #flood |
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| 07:29.57 | argent | hey |
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| 07:33.11 | Kevin` | die r_uc_a_s |
| 07:33.16 | Kevin` | gah :( |
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| 07:33.30 | k-god | !ops r_uc_a_s spamming |
| 07:33.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: r_uc_a_s spamming |
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| 07:34.12 | k-god | Quiet night or just me? |
| 07:34.35 | Johnny_5 | how do i get my usb to work? i had to get off my comp right after i was told earlier today and now i can't view any logs. |
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| 07:35.32 | k-god | Johnny: should be modrobe usbhci plus any other modules you need (storage, mouse / HID stuff). Is this storage related? |
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| 07:36.05 | k-god | !tell Johnny about usb |
| 07:36.06 | Johnny_5 | so i just apt-get install them?? |
| 07:36.17 | Johnny_5 | sorry i use debian btw |
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| 07:36.34 | k-god | Johnny: the modules should be on any stock kernel. Just modprobe. |
| 07:36.48 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 07:36.48 | omry | hi, I am trying to copy my system to a new HD, partitioned, copied all the files, preserving everythig, ran grub-install /dev/sda1 , but when I try to boot from it, I get a loop that prints GRUB GRUB GRUB infinitly. any suggestions? |
| 07:36.51 | k-god | Johnny: or spare yourself a few moments of pain and 'lsmod | grep usb' |
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| 07:37.06 | k-god | omry: Fix your GRUB config ;-) |
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| 07:37.11 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 07:37.18 | omry | k-god, how helpful :) |
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| 07:37.40 | k-god | !ops jewbuntu spamming |
| 07:37.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: jewbuntu spamming |
| 07:37.48 | omry | k-god, it doesn't even get to the menu. |
| 07:38.04 | helix | k-god: please pay attention to quit messages -- both of those people have been k-lined |
| 07:38.09 | k-god | omry: you're going to need rescue media, eg: Knoppix. |
| 07:38.13 | Johnny_5 | what exactly is that suppose to do for me? |
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| 07:38.25 | L33TrDaNu | i recently started getting "lost connection" after trying to scp any file to another box. I can ssh in fine, but when I scp it just says lost connection and quits. Any idears? |
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| 07:38.37 | omry | k-god, my system is still working. I am just trying to clone it to the new hd. |
| 07:39.06 | k-god | helix: Thanks, trying chatzilla ATM, not entirely copacetic w/ it. |
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| 07:40.08 | k-god | Johnny: 'modprobe' is the equiv of loading drivers. 'lsmod' will tell you what drivers are loaded. 'grep usb' as a pipe lets you know if there's any USB modules currently loaded. |
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| 07:40.39 | k-god | omry: right. With a rescue disk you can boot the new drive and fix your GRUB issues. Probably bad geometry or something like. |
| 07:40.40 | Johnny_5 | ahh... |
| 07:40.42 | Johnny_5 | ok i see |
| 07:40.50 | daeos | ok guys, im back, i just installed debian on the box and now i need to know how to edit the grub file /boot/grub/menu.lst to correctly boot windows xp on the master hdd |
| 07:40.58 | daeos | debian is installed on a slave hd |
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| 07:41.17 | omry | k-god, how would I fix that? |
| 07:41.35 | daeos | looking over the menu.lst file, it seems that grub thinks debian is on hd0,0 |
| 07:41.51 | daeos | would that mean that windows xp would be on hd1,0 ? |
| 07:41.52 | k-god | omry: Boot. Chroot to your Debian root. run 'grub-install'. reboot and attempt to boot grub. |
| 07:41.58 | k-god | bbiam. |
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| 07:42.09 | Johnny_5 | congo:/usr/src# lsmod | grep usb |
| 07:42.09 | Johnny_5 | usbcore 118980 4 ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| 07:42.27 | omry | k-god, any reason why this not work while booted from the other (working) drive? |
| 07:42.47 | robin__ | daeos: no it means the windows XP used to be on hd0,0, the master disk .... |
| 07:42.48 | Johnny_5 | is that al i need or do i need more?? |
| 07:42.54 | TElc | hello, can I install etch with just the first dvd? will it pick up packages off the net or does it need the other 2 dvd's? |
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| 07:43.34 | daeos | used to be? ok well... currently on my master hd, i have windows xp, and on the slave i have debian, if that makes a difference... |
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| 07:43.54 | daeos | debian is configured to boot on hd0,0 |
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| 07:44.08 | daeos | how could i determine what point xp is on? |
| 07:44.16 | daeos | would that be hd0,1 ? |
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| 07:45.06 | daeos | would that be hd0,1 ? |
| 07:45.06 | robin__ | daeos: mount the suspected drive on /mnt/tmp and check the contents |
| 07:45.09 | cahoot | daeos: you win partition(s) were not recognised by the debian installer? |
| 07:45.10 | daeos | ok |
| 07:45.14 | daeos | no |
| 07:45.16 | daeos | it was not |
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| 07:45.28 | lucifer | i can't use 3com netcard 556B on the kernel 2.6.x on my thinkpad if i use acpi but apm |
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| 07:45.44 | siplex | hello everybody, is there a simple way to migrate from xfree to xorg? |
| 07:46.00 | daeos | the installer did not recognize the xp only hd |
| 07:46.05 | Johnny_5 | in apt i also found and installed qc-usb-source - source code for QuickCam Express kernel module |
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| 07:46.17 | lucifer | and now i can't use wireless by ndiswrapper on realtek 8180 |
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| 07:46.23 | robin__ | daeos: and you are SURE you still have XP? |
| 07:46.23 | TElc | i was wondering because I am about to burn a dvd+r and only have one |
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| 07:46.29 | lucifer | so poot! |
| 07:46.32 | xxoxx | how to "apt-get install emacs" ? |
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| 07:46.33 | streuner | siplex: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 07:46.37 | lucifer | so poor! |
| 07:46.39 | dondelelcaro | xxoxx: it's emacs21 |
| 07:46.42 | daeos | yesi am sure |
| 07:46.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell xxoxx -about search |
| 07:46.44 | Johnny_5 | will i need to go into the kerel to get it to work for me?? |
| 07:46.46 | streuner | siplex: (only the version we need) |
| 07:46.47 | xxoxx | donde thans |
| 07:46.48 | xxoxx | thanks |
| 07:47.10 | xxoxx | how to get list of available apt-get packages ? |
| 07:47.13 | Johnny_5 | *kernel |
| 07:47.20 | siplex | streuner: ii |
| 07:47.23 | Johnny_5 | apt-cache search |
| 07:47.27 | dondelelcaro | xxoxx: there are too many of them to bother listing; see what dpkg told you. |
| 07:47.41 | daeos | is there a way to make sure that windows is still working on it? |
| 07:47.42 | streuner | siplex: no, the whole line |
| 07:47.46 | Johnny_5 | apt-cache search <package> |
| 07:47.55 | xxoxx | Johnny thanks |
| 07:48.03 | robin__ | daeos well, OK, then, but since you had XP on your master disc, and you thought debian installed on the slave, but it seems its on hd0,0, I was suspicious you might have accidentally removed the XP virus |
| 07:48.16 | siplex | streuner: 2.3.5-16 |
| 07:48.34 | xxoxx | emacs21 installing beautifulling |
| 07:48.36 | daeos | really |
| 07:48.39 | daeos | um |
| 07:48.56 | streuner | siplex: that's not the whole line |
| 07:49.09 | TElc | xxxxx : /www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 07:49.28 | daeos | robin__: how can i make sure what hdd it did in fact install on |
| 07:49.30 | streuner | !info libc6 etch |
| 07:49.37 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-3 (etch), Packaged size: 5037 kB, Installed size: 16932 kB |
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| 07:49.44 | k-god | Johnny: looks like you've got the drivers you need, 'cept for usb-storage. Try: 'modprobe usb-storage' and check for any SCSI devices (/proc/scsi/scsi IIRC not on Debian ATM). |
| 07:49.45 | siplex | streuner: sorry i have no X and it's not possible to paste |
| 07:49.56 | streuner | siplex: hm, but you can type? |
| 07:50.03 | daeos | ah i just checked now, and it did install on the slave as i thought |
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| 07:50.11 | streuner | siplex: anyway, you are using etch or sid |
| 07:50.15 | daeos | my hdd current capacity matches the size of the slave |
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| 07:50.28 | robin__ | daeos: just try monting various partitions on /mnt/tmp ie "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/tmp" and then inspect it |
| 07:50.32 | streuner | siplex: if you upgrade the system it auto install xorg then |
| 07:50.50 | streuner | siplex: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 07:51.26 | robin__ | daeos: unmount them before mounting the next one obviously |
| 07:51.32 | siplex | streuner: the real problem is that the system have problem with dependences |
| 07:51.39 | unix_infidel | http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41507000/jpg/_41507830_rice203_pa.jpg |
| 07:51.48 | unix_infidel | how is that not scary. |
| 07:51.51 | unix_infidel | that's not even photoshopped. |
| 07:51.53 | streuner | siplex: usually a sources.list problem |
| 07:51.57 | daeos | when i mounted hdb1 |
| 07:52.02 | daeos | it was my linux file system |
| 07:52.04 | siplex | streuner: apt-get check reports error |
| 07:52.17 | streuner | siplex: /j #flood and show us your sources.list |
| 07:52.19 | dondelelcaro | siplex: you can still give us the output; redirect the apt-get run to a file. |
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| 07:52.34 | robin__ | daeos: ok, so unmount that and try /dev/hda1 |
| 07:52.37 | dondelelcaro | siplex: the apt-cache policy; for the relevant packages is also useful. |
| 07:52.47 | siplex | streuner: i am sure it is not sources.list problem |
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| 07:53.16 | daeos | Rogue-Usr:/# mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/tmp |
| 07:53.16 | daeos | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 07:53.16 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.16 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.16 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:53.28 | daeos | dang it |
| 07:53.33 | daeos | ok... um |
| 07:53.36 | streuner | daeos: who told you to flood us? |
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| 07:53.49 | cahoot | daeos: try fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 07:53.58 | robin__ | also a good suggestion |
| 07:53.59 | lucifer | i can't use 3com netcard 556B on the kernel 2.6.x on my thinkpad if i use acpi but apm |
| 07:54.02 | siplex | streuner: i have installed the packets x11-common with dpkg --force-depends :( |
| 07:54.04 | daeos | nothing returns |
| 07:54.07 | dondelelcaro | siplex: just give us that information to start with; otherwise we won't be able to help you at all. |
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| 07:54.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell siplex -about bat |
| 07:54.14 | swim_love | hi all |
| 07:54.36 | swim_love | I have an issue trying to enter the WEP key on debian box: any ideas? |
| 07:54.36 | streuner | siplex: mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11* /tmp |
| 07:54.37 | lucifer | demerge howto？ |
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| 07:54.51 | streuner | siplex: apt-get -f install |
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| 07:54.54 | slackconvert | DCC SEND join_#gentoo-ops_for_fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 07:54.54 | daeos | if i mount as NTFS, it gives me an error |
| 07:54.54 | slackconvert | DCC SEND join_#gentoo-ops_for_fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 07:55.02 | swim_love | can I get some help on wireless configuration |
| 07:55.07 | cahoot | daeos: was it you wanting to erase mbr on hda earlier? how did you go about that? |
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| 07:55.23 | unix_infidel | swim_love: ask the question. |
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| 07:55.32 | daeos | ah i just installed debian on the second hdd that i have and it recovered grub just fine |
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| 07:55.36 | daeos | but |
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| 07:55.41 | daeos | i can't boot my xp hdd still |
| 07:55.43 | swim_love | my wireless setup just works fine with the WEP key |
| 07:55.43 | daeos | yes it was me |
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| 07:55.58 | swim_love | but when I secure my network, i am unable to run the wirelss on my laptop |
| 07:56.01 | daeos | i didn't erase the mbr i just install debian |
| 07:56.20 | cahoot | daeos: does hda show up in /proc/ide? |
| 07:56.39 | daeos | yes |
| 07:56.42 | robin__ | you could try fdisk -l /dev/hdb too |
| 07:56.56 | swim_love | unix_infidel: I did enter the key using "iwconfig eth1 key key & did a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:57.09 | daeos | robin__: that came up with the linux hdd |
| 07:57.11 | swim_love | unix_infidel: but that did not do much. |
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| 07:57.39 | robin__ | daeos: but on /dev/hda it returns nothing right? |
| 07:57.44 | daeos | yes |
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| 07:57.46 | daeos | thats right |
| 07:57.51 | robin__ | well, congratulations ;) |
| 07:57.57 | daeos | what? |
| 07:58.02 | daeos | i hope its not gone |
| 07:58.03 | robin__ | I think you are now free of the XP virus :) |
| 07:58.05 | siplex | dondelelcaro: i have upload the file on http://romainjacquet.free.fr/log |
| 07:58.05 | daeos | my wife will kill me |
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| 07:58.11 | Johnny_5 | everytime i try to use camorama i get an error: Could not connect to video device (/dev/video0) please check connection |
| 07:58.13 | yooser | xp go byebye |
| 07:58.14 | daeos | its my wife's pc |
| 07:58.27 | robin__ | daeos, get her to take photos and post them please :) |
| 07:58.30 | Johnny_5 | that's why i think maybe my usb ain't workin' |
| 07:58.31 | daeos | ... how could that happen???? |
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| 07:58.47 | unix_infidel | lol. |
| 07:58.48 | cast | daeos: lol. what does she use the computer for? |
| 07:58.49 | Johnny_5 | when i modprobe usb-storage nothing happened |
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| 07:58.54 | daeos | we just left the computer running and when i came in the room grub had a mount error |
| 07:59.00 | daeos | for Conquer Online |
| 07:59.07 | daeos | can't be ran in linux |
| 07:59.11 | daeos | only windows |
| 07:59.16 | robin__ | well, personally, I would have removed her drive and then plugged the other one in as master, to be safe |
| 07:59.21 | cast | ahh well. it's a good thing you backed up everything first wasn't it daeos |
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| 07:59.32 | cahoot | Johnny_5: no news is good news |
| 07:59.36 | daeos | every thing important yes |
| 07:59.39 | dondelelcaro | siplex: and the LANG=C apt-get -f install; output? |
| 07:59.40 | Johnny_5 | cool |
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| 07:59.51 | swim_love | unix_infidel: any ideas? |
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| 07:59.55 | Johnny_5 | i think |
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| 07:59.58 | daeos | not really much on the 200GB hdd but games |
| 08:00.05 | cahoot | Johnny_5: you can check with lsmod if you like |
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| 08:00.13 | daeos | looks like im installing windows all over again |
| 08:00.19 | cast | daeos: so Conquer Online doesn't run in winex? |
| 08:00.24 | daeos | winex? |
| 08:00.29 | daeos | hmm |
| 08:00.31 | daeos | ah wine |
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| 08:00.33 | daeos | lets see |
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| 08:00.38 | cast | no, not wine |
| 08:00.39 | bucky | zyklon-B (n=zyklon@nevaauto-gw.Spb.gldn.net) |
| 08:00.42 | daeos | o |
| 08:00.43 | daeos | winex |
| 08:00.47 | daeos | well lets find out :) |
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| 08:01.07 | robin__ | ok, im off |
| 08:01.11 | cast | winex...it's now called cedega i think? it's a commericial product, with support and its main goal in life is to support games in loonix |
| 08:01.15 | daeos | robin__ thanks |
| 08:01.18 | dondelelcaro | siplex: (setting lang C will put it back into english, so we can understand it) |
| 08:01.32 | daeos | cast: so its not free |
| 08:01.33 | daeos | great |
| 08:01.36 | daeos | she won't like that |
| 08:01.55 | cast | daeos: http://www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php |
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| 08:02.01 | cast | daeos: and windows is? :x |
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| 08:02.40 | Johnny_5 | Module Size Used by |
| 08:02.40 | Johnny_5 | usb_storage 69056 0 |
| 08:03.36 | daeos | the games we play are |
| 08:03.55 | siplex | dondelelcaro: http://romainjacquet.free.fr/log2 |
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| 08:04.34 | daeos | ciao, i'll be reinstalling windows |
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| 08:04.51 | liable | later |
| 08:05.03 | Shadowcat | liable look what you did |
| 08:05.07 | Shadowcat | you drove someone to Windows |
| 08:05.25 | cast | well i think we got him away from windows |
| 08:05.27 | liable | heh, i dont care :) |
| 08:05.37 | cast | but his perceieved need of windows drove him back :\ |
| 08:05.44 | dondelelcaro | !force-overwrite |
| 08:05.44 | dpkg | The reason you have been told to use --force-overwrite is because some packages in unstable are buggy and either have missing Conflicts: or contain files that they shouldn't. Check the BTS and make sure that a bug has been filed about the package in question (ask me about <bts>) then run dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/.deb or apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <foopackagename>; |
| 08:05.48 | dondelelcaro | siplex: see above. |
| 08:06.09 | streuner | well, that doesn't work |
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| 08:06.16 | The-Saint | okay... it should be working...everything at the client end's fine |
| 08:06.17 | \amethyst | hm... I usually use diversions instead of force-overwrite |
| 08:06.58 | The-Saint | and ifconfig looks okay,,, |
| 08:07.16 | streuner | The-Saint: did you install a second NIC now? |
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| 08:07.22 | The-Saint | yeah |
| 08:07.24 | streuner | ok |
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| 08:08.08 | The-Saint | and then i did "ip addr add 10.0.0.1" <--the client's current default gateway |
| 08:08.14 | dabaR | not ME :-O |
| 08:08.15 | streuner | hm, this dude is really nasty :-) |
| 08:08.21 | liable | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
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| 08:08.32 | liable | dondelelcaro: is the DPkg:: a typo? |
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| 08:08.43 | streuner | The-Saint: use 192.168.1.X |
| 08:08.54 | siplex | dondelelcaro: i do not understand: you suggest me to use the force-overwrite option? |
| 08:08.59 | streuner | The-Saint: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 08:09.17 | dondelelcaro | liable: no. |
| 08:09.19 | streuner | siplex: did you try what we told you before? |
| 08:09.25 | The-Saint | okay, make me 192.168.1.1 and the client ...1.2? |
| 08:09.30 | streuner | no |
| 08:09.49 | dondelelcaro | siplex: I'm saying to use apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite"' -f install |
| 08:09.49 | Johnny_5 | winME is a virus |
| 08:09.52 | dabaR | The-Saint: configure the client for dhcp, no gateway addresses and that. |
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| 08:09.57 | dondelelcaro | s/'// |
| 08:09.58 | streuner | The-Saint: 192.168.1.1 is usually reserved for a gateway, likely your hardware-router |
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| 08:10.32 | The-Saint | i have no hardware router...this box is my gateway |
| 08:10.36 | streuner | !beer dondelelcaro for his hard work |
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| 08:11.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@210-86-28-11.adsl.xtra.co.nz] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:11.07 | streuner | The-Saint: so setup eth1 as 192.168.1.10 or 192.168.1.11 |
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| 08:12.20 | Johnny_5 | when i tried to connect to camorama i got the following error: |
| 08:12.21 | dabaR | The-Saint: why cry?:) what did you install? explain in a few sentences in one post so we can read it. |
| 08:12.24 | Johnny_5 | ould not connect to video device (/dev/video0) please check connection |
| 08:12.39 | Johnny_5 | *could |
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| 08:13.20 | Johnny_5 | that's why i thought maybe my usb wasn't workin' right |
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| 08:14.05 | Johnny_5 | would i be right in that assumption and if not then what do i need to do to get it to work? |
| 08:14.53 | Johnny_5 | that is get my web cam to work |
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| 08:15.20 | siplex | dondelelcaro and streuner: it works perfectly with the force-overwrite, thanks for your help, it was very nice |
| 08:15.54 | The-Saint | okay...i think i just need to allow through-connections....how do i do that? |
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| 08:16.49 | homekneet | Still trying to recover data of a sid box. I lost one disk (but that is no longer trying to be mounted). But - now when I boot no-one can log in and boot to "single" mode boots to a normal login prompt (with a hostname of (none)) including the brackets. Any tips on how to get in as root to copy some data off? |
| 08:17.09 | homekneet | Note - the dead disk was _not_ a system disk in any way - just media storage |
| 08:17.13 | \amethyst | The-Saint: install the ipmasq package on the gateway |
| 08:17.20 | The-Saint | eth0=dhcp, eth1=192.168.1.10, client ip=192.168.1.2, client gateway=192.168.1.10 |
| 08:17.29 | The-Saint | i did that ages ago |
| 08:17.40 | The-Saint | why can't the client see the internet? |
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| 08:19.27 | streuner | dpkg, xfree->xorg is <reply> if you getting depends problems upgrading xfree86 to xorg (x11-common) use apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite"' -f install |
| 08:19.27 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 08:19.35 | The-Saint | eth0=dhcp, eth1=192.168.1.10, client ip=192.168.1.11, (for the sake of argument) client gateway=192.168.1.10 |
| 08:19.52 | wols | The-Saint: are you doing a double nat? |
| 08:20.05 | The-Saint | double nat? |
| 08:20.10 | Johnny_5 | when i tried to connect to camorama i got the following error: |
| 08:20.13 | wols | if so, have you run ipmasq? |
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| 08:20.13 | Johnny_5 | could not connect to video device (/dev/video0) please check connection |
| 08:20.25 | Johnny_5 | that's why i thought maybe my usb wasn't workin' right |
| 08:20.32 | cahoot | The-Saint: what does ' cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' on the gateway return? |
| 08:20.32 | Johnny_5 | would i be right in that assumption and if not then what do i need to do to get it to work? |
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| 08:21.26 | The-Saint | it said "1" |
| 08:21.40 | wols | The-Saint: have you set iptables to do NAT? |
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| 08:21.55 | The-Saint | no, how do i do that? |
| 08:21.56 | faked | how can I set compression of ssh to max? ssh user@hostname -C -o CompressionLevel=9 ? how can I check if compression is applied to ssh? |
| 08:22.10 | wols | The-Saint: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 08:22.36 | The-Saint | i've STILL already done that |
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| 08:22.46 | wols | or read the IP masquerading howto (is it still called that?). tho, installing a deb is easier and faster :) |
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| 08:22.58 | cast | faked: use -v and it'll tell you at the end of the sesson |
| 08:23.12 | faked | cast: ah, good Idea, thank you |
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| 08:24.35 | wols | The-Saint: what are the exact clinet's problems? can you ping IPs from it? |
| 08:25.04 | wols | and I guess the client can ping the gateway just fine? |
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| 08:25.55 | The-Saint | uhh....actually,no. |
| 08:26.10 | wols | no to what? |
| 08:26.40 | \amethyst | The-Saint: Check your iptables configuration |
| 08:26.55 | wols | \amethyst: he's using ipmasq. there is nothing to check |
| 08:26.59 | The-Saint | iptables -L output in #flood |
| 08:27.12 | wols | at least nothing he could unless he likes reading howtos for a day I guess |
| 08:27.18 | liable | The-Saint: can you paste ifconfig in there too, and route output? |
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| 08:29.33 | wols | The-Saint: can you ping the linux gateway from windows? |
| 08:30.07 | The-Saint | no, i could before i added the 2nd ethernet card... |
| 08:31.48 | wols | a) unless you windows box can ping linux it won't ever work |
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| 08:32.07 | wols | b) unless ypir -t nat shows a MASQUERADE entry no NAT either |
| 08:32.25 | wols | problem b: try to run /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart |
| 08:32.52 | wols | and check iptables -t nat -L again. if still no masquerade there, run dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq |
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| 08:34.40 | Johnny_5 | my web cam still isn't working. any suggestions? i tried camorama and gtkam, but still can't view my webcam |
| 08:35.08 | liable | Johnny_5: does dmesg say anything about it when you plug it in? |
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| 08:41.01 | Johnny_5 | yeah |
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| 08:41.18 | Johnny_5 | usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage |
| 08:41.18 | Johnny_5 | USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 08:41.18 | Johnny_5 | usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 08:41.18 | Johnny_5 | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 3 |
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| 08:43.42 | XoR_ | Cannot open master side of pty: No such file or directory (2) |
| 08:44.08 | Johnny_5 | so what does that mean? |
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| 08:44.37 | Johnny_5 | it looks like it shows its there....so now what? |
| 08:44.59 | Zedman | hallo, debian gnu/linux users out there! is this a modified version of cfdisk debian installer uses to create partitions? or is this based on a debian own or other program? thanks for your help :) |
| 08:44.59 | locksy | Anyone got suggestions for which of the myriad apt repository admin packages I should use? Need to create a local repo with packages usually derived from official packages with local patches (e.g. rebuild tethereal with snmp support) |
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| 08:46.33 | XoR_ | if i open mc and after Ctrl+O mc show -> Cannot open master side of pty: No such file or directory (2) |
| 08:46.38 | XoR_ | why ? |
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| 08:47.20 | liable | Johnny_5: the bit i saw, didnt really look like it was recognised, ie, no driver loaded for it. |
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| 08:48.22 | Johnny_5 | so what should i do, then? |
| 08:48.33 | Coder`TuX | hi, i run debian sarge on my gateway. it's harddisk (7,5gb) is getting crowded and i want to change it with a 20gb hdd. how can do that without reinstalling debian again? (i would note that the BIOS of that pc only supports < 8GB disks, but they work just fine in linux :) ) |
| 08:48.37 | liable | Johnny_5: google to see if its supported i guess. |
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| 08:49.23 | jengelh | Coder`TuX : Well if only 8G max from bios, then you need a boot part within 1024 cyl |
| 08:49.48 | wols | Coder`TuX: first you make a /boot partition at the beginning of the disk. or you will not be able to boot |
| 08:49.51 | \amethyst | boot from your old drive |
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| 08:50.02 | cahoot | Coder`TuX: ther is a new harddisk howto on tldp |
| 08:50.02 | \amethyst | or do you only have room for one? |
| 08:50.19 | iluciv | hi do I have voice in here?? |
| 08:50.41 | wols | or keep your old drive as \amethyst said and mount it somwhere you need a lot of room like /home or /var (you can have more than one of those directories on the new drive) |
| 08:50.59 | wols | iluciv: no. there is no need for voice. this is not a moderated channel |
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| 08:51.05 | DAaaMan642 | what would it suggest if on boot I am getting "Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0"?? |
| 08:51.06 | \amethyst | swap on the old drive, too |
| 08:51.08 | Coder`TuX | i wasthinking about keeping the / partition as large as my current hdd is, and make the rest /home (/home is actually the crowded one) - i don't want to keep the old drive, it's just too noisy to have 2 hdd's spinning... |
| 08:51.52 | \amethyst | Coder`TuX: if it's on one disk, there's no need to partition it |
| 08:52.11 | \amethyst | other than /boot, which only needs to be a few dozen megs |
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| 08:52.22 | wols | and perhaps swap |
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| 08:52.42 | iluciv | Hi I'm looking at installing debian on a power mac 6500/275 I got today but I need to be able to set the bios (or whatever it is) to boot from the cdrom drive I'm wondering if anyone here has one of these machines or one similar and might be able to help me? response or direction to useful help much apreciated :) |
| 08:52.47 | wols | I'd do a /boot/ of around 100MB, then some swap and the rest for / |
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| 08:52.50 | \amethyst | swapfiles are supposed to be as fast as swap partitions in 2.6, unless they're fragmented |
| 08:52.59 | \amethyst | s/fragmented/badly $&/ |
| 08:53.04 | liable | iluciv: try #debian-ppc if no luck here |
| 08:53.18 | iluciv | liable: thanks heaps |
| 08:53.21 | \amethyst | yeah, sounds reasonable |
| 08:53.38 | iluciv | I've been googling most of this afternoon with no luck :) |
| 08:53.46 | streuner | #debianppc |
| 08:53.52 | liable | oh |
| 08:53.54 | DAaaMan642 | no one knows? |
| 08:54.14 | \amethyst | DAaaMan642: do you have SCSI? what is sdb? |
| 08:54.33 | DAaaMan642 | a external usb drive, it was booting awhile ago. |
| 08:54.42 | \amethyst | you're booting from that drive? |
| 08:54.42 | iluciv | cool thanks heaps it's all in the tag line lol |
| 08:54.46 | DAaaMan642 | yes |
| 08:54.52 | DAaaMan642 | I have in the past. |
| 08:54.56 | \amethyst | is the message coming from LILO/Grub, Linux, or something else? |
| 08:55.00 | Coder`TuX | \amethyst, the old hdd only has / (7 gb) and swap (500mb). no /boot, no /home no nothing. i just want to move all the data on that hdd to the new one and use the rest of the hdd as /home. |
| 08:55.04 | liable | iluciv: it doesnt say anything at post about getting into bios? |
| 08:55.10 | DAaaMan642 | comes right after it loads the kernel. |
| 08:55.13 | \amethyst | DAaaMan642: you have on the same motherboard |
| 08:55.14 | nevyn | iluciv: that's an oldworld mac... |
| 08:55.15 | \amethyst | ? |
| 08:55.22 | DAaaMan642 | yes |
| 08:55.38 | \amethyst | Coder`TuX: But why separate / and /home? |
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| 08:55.41 | nevyn | iluciv: your best bet is to use bootX under macOS8 or 9 |
| 08:55.58 | \amethyst | Coder`TuX: if you're going to copy, you want to copy the filesystem, not the disk image |
| 08:56.00 | Coder`TuX | \amethyst, because all the large files i have are now in /home |
| 08:56.19 | \amethyst | Coder`TuX: Are you going to be using differently-optimized filesystems or something? |
| 08:56.36 | DAaaMan642 | \amethyst: is this something wrong with sdb or something else? |
| 08:56.44 | \amethyst | I mean, why put / on a separate 1GB partition? |
| 08:56.47 | \amethyst | err |
| 08:56.50 | \amethyst | s/1/7/ |
| 08:57.34 | \amethyst | DAaaMan642: Hm... is it possible the device is now showing up as sda or something else instead? |
| 08:57.43 | DAaaMan642 | no sda is my hdd |
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| 08:58.10 | \amethyst | What has changed since the last time it worked? |
| 08:58.17 | DAaaMan642 | nothing |
| 08:58.24 | DAaaMan642 | I restarted it when I updated kde |
| 08:58.33 | Coder`TuX | \amethyst, i just thought it would be easier if i'd keep the partition table (roughly) as it is on the old hdd. |
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| 08:59.56 | CAiRO | h |
| 08:59.57 | wols | Coder`TuX: you can't. a partition extending the 8GB boundary will give your BIOS trouble |
| 08:59.57 | CAiRO | i |
| 09:00.12 | CAiRO | what can be the cause when xsane segfaults when i run it as user but it does work when i run it as root? |
| 09:00.19 | \amethyst | Will the BIOS care if you're putting LILO on the MBR? |
| 09:00.26 | \amethyst | I mean, about the partition |
| 09:00.26 | iluciv | nevyn: its only got a 4gig drive in it was wanting to get rid of OS8.5 all together and just use debian // oldworld mac not booting cdrom is what I meant about in tag line :) |
| 09:00.26 | wols | bad programming on the part of xsane |
| 09:00.31 | smarco | im trying to extract a kernel-source with tar xfj and get "exec: file not found" but just typing "exec" seems to work. what am i doing wrong here? |
| 09:00.33 | CAiRO | i think it might have something to do with udev and the device not being created correctly? |
| 09:00.40 | The-Saint | Coder^Tux: just a thought, but isn't that going to interfere with the hardware abstraction thing? if debian thinks it's on a 7.5gig disk, when it's clearly a bigger one? |
| 09:00.50 | DAaaMan642 | \amethyst: if you are talking to me I am using grub |
| 09:00.50 | CAiRO | wols: yes, true, but i'd like to work aroudn the problem because i need to use xsane now |
| 09:00.54 | \amethyst | smarco: it can't execute bzip2, probably |
| 09:01.06 | \amethyst | I don't know much about grup |
| 09:01.07 | \amethyst | b |
| 09:01.11 | wols | am79: no. nut lilo can only do disk access via BIOS. Kuki diesbÄt gave uts own ide and scsi driver controllers |
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| 09:01.31 | wols | fark |
| 09:01.35 | smarco | \amethyst: right, thanks |
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| 09:01.47 | wols | LILO doesn't have its own ide and scsi driver controllers |
| 09:02.01 | \amethyst | smarco: bad error message, you can report it as a bug :) |
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| 09:02.15 | The-Saint | Coder^Tux: speaking as a relative imbecele, of course....my undestanding of the "inner workings" of linux is only as sharp as it has to be.....which is pretty fuzzy, i'm a musiian not a software developer. |
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| 09:02.21 | Coder`TuX | s/confised/confused |
| 09:03.25 | DAaaMan642 | \amethyst: any suggestions? |
| 09:03.48 | Zakoota | !simple sid backport |
| 09:03.48 | dpkg | well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 09:04.03 | Zakoota | ahh, ok then |
| 09:04.36 | wols | Coder`TuX: until the vmlinut file is loaded, the only way to access your harddisk is BIOS support. no bootloaded can do anything else than using BIOS routines |
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| 09:04.52 | wols | now, if the BIOS has a limit of 8GB you must respect this, at least until linux kernel is loaded |
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| 09:05.15 | Coder`TuX | wols, 7 gb is less than 8gb afaik :) si it should work fine |
| 09:05.30 | wols | so what you do is to make sure the kernel resides fully in the first 8GB. the way you do that is making a /boot partition just for the kernel of a 100MB or so |
| 09:05.56 | wols | if you want to segment you / partition on the new disk and create an extra /home sure |
| 09:06.04 | Zakoota | wols, if you have a 250gb drive, and only one partition you can't put linux on it? |
| 09:06.16 | smarco | but at some point in the future the kernel might get bigger than 8GB and you will be in real trouble then ;) |
| 09:06.23 | Coder`TuX | wols, that's exactly what i'm trying to do |
| 09:06.23 | wols | I usually don't like that without need since ultimately one of the two partitions runs out of space while the other still has plenty |
| 09:06.32 | DAaaMan642 | do you have any idea what would have caused this?????? |
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| 09:07.02 | wols | Zakoota: you can. in this case it's just a old, buggy bios which prevents it. with a new board you can make a single 250GB partition |
| 09:07.13 | Zakoota | wols, oh ok then |
| 09:07.48 | Zakoota | wols, I didn't know because I have a huge drive, but my /boot is 100mb, / is 10gb, and /home is 240gb |
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| 09:08.13 | Zakoota | I've always made a 10gb partition for / always never bigger or smaller |
| 09:08.26 | wols | Zakoota: there are advantages for both, lots of smaller partitions or a single big one. ultimately it's personal taste mostly |
| 09:09.04 | wols | sooner or later / will exceed 10GB. if you used gentoo, you'd exceeded it long ago under your scheme :) |
| 09:09.18 | Zakoota | wols, /boot / /home /etc /usr etc. all diff partitions |
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| 09:09.37 | Zakoota | I've got 2 ide 60gb, and 1 sata2 250gb hehe |
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| 09:10.16 | Zakoota | wols, why would I use gentoo when I have debian |
| 09:10.52 | DAaaMan642 | alright I can ask wols... wols youve helped me before, i keep getting this error message on boot: "Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0". All I did was restart the computer |
| 09:11.18 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, shutdown -r now or ust cold reboot? |
| 09:11.22 | Zakoota | just* |
| 09:11.25 | cast | wols: likely not, unless Zakoota isn't paying attention |
| 09:11.35 | Zakoota | cast, what ? |
| 09:11.50 | cast | Zakoota: to what you are doing :> |
| 09:11.51 | Zakoota | cast, oh |
| 09:11.53 | wols | DAaaMan642: sorry I have no clue. when on boot? after the kernel has loaded? |
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| 09:12.03 | DAaaMan642 | wols, yes |
| 09:12.15 | cast | 2.3gb of / right now :). i only have 2 partitions though, / and /home |
| 09:12.23 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota, no cold reboots |
| 09:12.25 | wols | DAaaMan642: then it looks like a missing driver perhaps. no driver for your scsi card |
| 09:12.28 | wols | or what disk is this? |
| 09:12.37 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, NEVER do that, whats wrong with you, this isn't windows. |
| 09:12.39 | CAiRO | aha, upgrading xsane to unstable helped |
| 09:12.56 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota I meant propper restart |
| 09:13.01 | wols | Zakoota: well, he has a boot problem. so he often needs to reboot :) |
| 09:13.04 | DAaaMan642 | it is usb and it was working before. |
| 09:13.15 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, oh alright then, I thought you just hit the power/reset button |
| 09:13.21 | wols | DAaaMan642: and what did you change sinec then? new kernel perhaps? |
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| 09:14.10 | Hackphil | hi to all |
| 09:14.18 | wols | hello |
| 09:14.20 | DAaaMan642 | wols, I opened the enclosure, took a stick off the hdd, and then closed the enclosure, plugged the usb back in, and started up my comp |
| 09:14.43 | Zakoota | what is a stick doing in your pc case? |
| 09:14.47 | Hackphil | sorry but, I'd like to find a room in french |
| 09:14.51 | DAaaMan642 | stick sorry, sticker |
| 09:14.55 | Zakoota | hehe |
| 09:14.57 | Hackphil | could you help me? |
| 09:14.58 | Zakoota | lol, sorory |
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| 09:15.10 | DAaaMan642 | and by encolsure I mean usb hdd enclosure |
| 09:15.16 | Zakoota | that was funny |
| 09:15.30 | liable | !fr |
| 09:15.30 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:15.31 | wols | !fr |
| 09:15.41 | liable | !lose wols |
| 09:15.41 | dpkg | wols: You Lose. |
| 09:15.43 | liable | :) |
| 09:15.50 | Zakoota | !bang liable |
| 09:15.53 | Zakoota | doh |
| 09:15.56 | wols | DAaaMan642: does this HDD still work under other OSes? knoppix, windows, etc? |
| 09:16.03 | Hackphil | merci dpkg |
| 09:16.06 | wols | liable: bite me :P |
| 09:16.15 | DAaaMan642 | shit whatever I just did, it worked that time. |
| 09:16.29 | DAaaMan642 | that is stupid because I didn't do ANYTHING. |
| 09:16.29 | Hackphil | je parle anglais mais je suis un débutant sur Linux et en français ce sera plus facile pour moi. |
| 09:16.33 | DAaaMan642 | THAT SUCKS |
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| 09:16.48 | DAaaMan642 | I would rather get the error forever that have it come up randomly. |
| 09:17.15 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, are you sure you have no badblocks on the drive? |
| 09:17.34 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota, I have never had an understanding of what a badblock is |
| 09:17.41 | DAaaMan642 | !badblock |
| 09:17.44 | DAaaMan642 | I tried |
| 09:17.49 | Zakoota | corrupted physical disc sector |
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| 09:18.08 | DAaaMan642 | so it is *physically broken* |
| 09:18.09 | Zakoota | unable to read/write data to that particluar cluster/block etc. |
| 09:18.24 | DAaaMan642 | but wouldn't it always be reading from the same place? |
| 09:18.31 | DAaaMan642 | when it is booting I mean? |
| 09:18.33 | Zakoota | or your simple bad sectors as in windows lingo |
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| 09:19.03 | Coder`TuX | wols, i created a new partition table on the new disk: /boot 100mb / 5gb /home 13,5gb swap 250mb. |
| 09:19.08 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota, I sorta know what you mean, but would that suggest that it is physically damaged? Or can that be cause from software? |
| 09:19.18 | wols | DAaaMan642: a bad block is a dead sector on a harddisk. usually happens when the HDD is dieing soon. |
| 09:19.33 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, you're booting from a usb device right? |
| 09:19.35 | wols | since you tinkered with the hdd, I'm more inclined to think you pried something loose or such |
| 09:19.54 | DAaaMan642 | wols, all I did was remove a sticker |
| 09:20.06 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota, yes a usb hdd |
| 09:20.09 | wols | DAaaMan642: yes, but you might have touched something by accident. happnes |
| 09:20.37 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:20.37 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:21.10 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, those things are more fragile than they look. I've destroyed 2 so far just by kicking it lightly since it was on the floor, and once my cat jumped on it and knocked it down on the floor, both times they stopped working. Even though they were in the Casing. These I am not booting off of, these are just SAN drives |
| 09:21.47 | liable | dpkg: dont you know, the sticker keeps the magic smoke inside! |
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| 09:22.07 | Coder`TuX | wols, what do i do now? |
| 09:22.16 | DAaaMan642 | So if I can exchange it, try? I don't feel bad about this as the guy sold me a POS enclosure that shuts off when you adjust it. |
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| 09:22.49 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, if you took off a sticker, you probably broke the warranty contract, good luck having it exchanged. |
| 09:23.06 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota, no warrenty, it is a local store. |
| 09:23.20 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, you should put the sticker back on and try exchanging |
| 09:23.25 | wols | read the url cahoot pasted for you |
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| 09:23.30 | DAaaMan642 | it is a price tag :p |
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| 09:23.58 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, that shouldn't have any effect on the drive then. price stickers are outside, peeling those would have no effect on your drive |
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| 09:24.24 | wols | Coder`TuX: just in the end rerun your bootloader and make sure it boots fromt he right and proper places and has the right root= which is a little bit trickier now since you have 2 partitions instead of one |
| 09:24.39 | DAaaMan642 | yes it was on the metal side, no where near the "chip" side. |
| 09:24.48 | DAaaMan642 | just rebooted again, no problems. |
| 09:24.51 | wols | DAaaMan642: have you tested the drive under some other OS like knoppix or some windows on another machine? |
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| 09:24.57 | congzi | my pc only can install debian2.4 ,why?~~~ |
| 09:25.03 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, how often does this happen |
| 09:25.04 | Coder`TuX | wols, i just use cp and copy all the things? |
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| 09:25.06 | DAaaMan642 | wols, no |
| 09:25.16 | liable | congzi: it wont boot a 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:25.21 | Zakoota | congzi, apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 09:25.28 | Zakoota | I believe |
| 09:25.29 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota, happened 4 times in a row, and since I opened the enclosure again. hasn't happened again. |
| 09:25.43 | wols | Coder`TuX: do't think this would work. a) you don't want to copy the files of the OS while the OS runs b)there are lots of special files copy doesn't know how to handle |
| 09:25.46 | congzi | yes ,if use linux26,it will stop at there |
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| 09:26.07 | liable | congzi: how old is this box? |
| 09:26.17 | wols | congzi: what hardware? |
| 09:26.17 | Coder`TuX | wols, then how do i do it? (the hdd's are both in my computer now, nothing is running on them... |
| 09:26.22 | Zakoota | congzi, you can run 2.6 on ancient hw |
| 09:26.25 | Zakoota | can't* |
| 09:26.31 | user__ | hi, what priority for syslog has msg from sshd that user is not listed on AllowUsers list |
| 09:26.33 | congzi | a 1u server i386 pc |
| 09:26.40 | DAaaMan642 | what do you think Zakoota |
| 09:26.52 | user__ | i thought its at least warning |
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| 09:26.54 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, I think a lot man, what about you, what do you think? |
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| 09:27.15 | DAaaMan642 | I think user__ has a funny user__name, ehem sorry. |
| 09:27.17 | congzi | apt-get update kernel is ok? |
| 09:27.20 | The-Saint | glad that's out of the way =) now, serious business....can anyone recommend a decent MUD client, because playing over telnet is very limiting |
| 09:27.21 | wols | Coder`TuX: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html as cahoot earlier suggested |
| 09:27.39 | The-Saint | telnet from bash, i mean |
| 09:27.43 | wols | Coder`TuX: if the bootkernel didn't work, there is a high chance an apt-getted one won't either :( |
| 09:27.44 | Coder`TuX | wols, sorry, i didn't see that link before :/ |
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| 09:28.03 | Zakoota | The-Saint, papaya, kmuddy, tintin++ gnome-mud kmud mmucl tinymud client |
| 09:28.09 | user__ | auth.notice,authpriv.notice /var/log/test.log < it doesn't log failed logins attempts ,w hy? |
| 09:28.14 | wols | Coder`TuX: he only talked about new harddisk howto on tldp. but a single google search found it |
| 09:28.17 | Zakoota | The-Saint, apt-cache search mud |
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| 09:28.30 | Zakoota | The-Saint, apt-cache search mud | grep client |
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| 09:29.13 | congzi | I test apt-get install linux-image-2.6 now |
| 09:29.18 | wols | Zakoota: as for 2.6 on ancient hardware, I beg t differ. my 486-133 liked 2.5 a lot more than 2.4, and later 2.6 |
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| 09:30.06 | DAaaMan642 | thats funny, did 2.5 suck or something? no one ever talks about it. |
| 09:30.26 | wols | congzi: if the hardware is areally a 80386 you won't be happy with debian sarge. smallest CPU for sarge is 486 IIRC due to some compiled C++ ABI issues |
| 09:30.28 | Zakoota | wols, I personally have never been able to work it, then again I was on a 25mhz compuadd laptop with 80mb hdd and a whopping 4mb ram, once again, I said ancient hw, not old |
| 09:30.46 | wols | Zakoota: 4NB is a problem. kast kernel for that was 2.0.x |
| 09:30.50 | wols | 4MB |
| 09:31.03 | wols | the CPU is fine, even a 386 is |
| 09:31.10 | Zakoota | wols, I found that out after almost a day of crap flinging |
| 09:31.21 | liable | congzi: how much ram? |
| 09:31.28 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota, it is happening again. :/ This sucks. |
| 09:31.32 | congzi | 1G ram |
| 09:31.39 | congzi | 200G hd |
| 09:31.39 | Zakoota | DAaaMan642, I have no idea now man, sorry |
| 09:31.44 | wols | that's not ancient hardware... |
| 09:31.51 | wols | congzi: what chipset is it? |
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| 09:31.54 | congzi | cpu is P4 3G |
| 09:31.56 | tarzeau | LOL /. |
| 09:31.58 | Zakoota | /dev/sda4 224G 59G 166G 27% /home |
| 09:32.03 | tarzeau | www.slashdot.org OMG PONIES :) |
| 09:32.20 | Zakoota | ponies? |
| 09:32.21 | wols | tarzeau: I'm getting eyecancer today. I KNOW it |
| 09:32.21 | congzi | intel server matherbord |
| 09:32.31 | tarzeau | wols: it's so cute |
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| 09:32.36 | wols | congzi: a totally new one I guess? if yes: |
| 09:32.38 | tarzeau | wols: it couldbe like that everyday :) |
| 09:32.38 | liable | congzi: so, lemme get it straight, the install 2.6 kernel wont boot? |
| 09:32.39 | wols | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 09:32.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 09:32.45 | tarzeau | wols: the cyan was so ugly |
| 09:33.02 | congzi | liable:yes ,won;t boot |
| 09:33.19 | wols | congzi: basically your hardware (especially chipset) might be too new for the debian sarge kernel which is from 12 months ago |
| 09:33.19 | liable | congzi: error? |
| 09:33.32 | liable | but 2.4 boots?? |
| 09:33.49 | congzi | liable:no error,just stop there |
| 09:33.52 | wols | liable: possibly in BIOS "emulation" mode. slow as heck, but at least working |
| 09:33.55 | congzi | 2.4 can boot |
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| 09:34.48 | wols | congzi: if you use a 2.6 kernel, use the most recent one you can find |
| 09:34.56 | congzi | taskcn:/home/admin# apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 09:34.56 | wols | e.g. 2.6.15 or 2.6.16 |
| 09:35.03 | congzi | E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6 |
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| 09:35.28 | liable | wtf is up with that! (./) |
| 09:35.32 | congzi | wols:2.6.16.1?> |
| 09:35.49 | liable | congzi: this is sarge? |
| 09:35.59 | congzi | at kernel.org |
| 09:36.05 | wols | congzi: ok, not THAT new with a server :) |
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| 09:36.39 | wols | liable: look at your calendar, then /.. do you still have to ask? :) |
| 09:36.46 | Zakoota | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 <-- assuming this is you, if not search for your arch. |
| 09:37.26 | Zakoota | congzi, you are running sarge or etch or sid? |
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| 09:38.45 | DAaaMan642 | Zakoota, I am going to try and load it from a direct to motherboard port as I don't trust my case. |
| 09:39.29 | liable | wols: fuck.. thats the second time today.. |
| 09:39.37 | wols | liable: heh |
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| 09:41.01 | congzi | Zakoota:cache search the newer image is fail |
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| 09:41.30 | wols | congzi: sarge doesn't have it |
| 09:42.06 | wols | if you want a newer kernel for sarge, compile yourself, go to backports.org, "reimport" from etch/sid, etc |
| 09:42.20 | Zakoota | i am backporting hydrogen right now |
| 09:42.31 | Zakoota | its not building, gives me an error with make at the last line |
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| 09:42.59 | Zakoota | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/zakoota/hydrogen-0.9.3/build-tree/hydrogen-0.9.3' |
| 09:42.59 | Zakoota | make[1]: *** [hydrogen] Error 2 |
| 09:43.01 | congzi | wols:must I compile the new kernel myself??? |
| 09:43.10 | WireDDD | I just did a apt-get dist-upgrade from potato to sid on my laptop and didn't get any errors and everything was working fine untill I installed a new kernel and rebooted and now when it starts up it just say "Li" and halts. Did I get the wrong kernel or something? |
| 09:43.16 | Zakoota | Build command 'cd hydrogen-0.9.3 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. E: Child process failed |
| 09:43.19 | Zakoota | :( |
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| 09:43.25 | hussam | I'm not using debian but I Just wanted to ask. Does debian unstable use kde 3.5.2? If so, is anybody here using it? |
| 09:43.26 | wols | congzi: why wouldn't you. mayne people compile their own kernels with kernel-package |
| 09:43.30 | liable | !Li |
| 09:43.31 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 09:43.37 | wols | hussam: packages.debian.org |
| 09:43.58 | liable | WireDDD: from potato?? |
| 09:44.13 | wols | congzi: but you don't "must" compile yourself. go to backports.org, I'm sure there are many kernels to choose from |
| 09:44.13 | congzi | wols:it takes a lot of time |
| 09:44.15 | thing2 | can anybody help with authentication issues with uw-imap please? |
| 09:44.24 | WireDDD | yeah to sid |
| 09:44.26 | thing2 | like how to fix login disabled? |
| 09:44.29 | wols | congzi: on a P4? about an hour for config and compile at most |
| 09:44.46 | hussam | wols: how stable is kde 3.5.2 on debian unstable? |
| 09:44.54 | wols | thing2: don't use it. dovecot, courier or cyrus21. not uw-imap |
| 09:45.00 | wols | hussam: no clue |
| 09:45.06 | thing2 | uh huh |
| 09:45.28 | congzi | wols:I compile the newest kernel tow hours before...but not at the server |
| 09:45.33 | wols | thing2: the login is your /etc/init.d/rmnologin not working under /etc/rc2.d/ or similar |
| 09:45.51 | thing2 | which is simplest to work with a 5 year old file structure? |
| 09:45.57 | wols | congzi: I usually take around 2-4 hours, but that's on a k6 400 |
| 09:46.01 | WireDDD | liable: thanks that seems to have fixed it |
| 09:46.21 | wols | thing2: restate question. syntax error. this time don't omit some crucial information |
| 09:46.25 | liable | WireDDD: no worries |
| 09:46.44 | liable | WireDDD: which bit? you forgot to run lilo?? |
| 09:46.53 | WireDDD | yeah |
| 09:46.56 | liable | heh |
| 09:47.02 | wols | should the kernel deb do that automagically? |
| 09:47.08 | wols | *shouldn't |
| 09:47.12 | liable | not for lilo |
| 09:47.21 | thing2 | i lost the hdrive off my box this morning, I rebuilt it and restored the users home dirs off tape, so Im looking to get them going again |
| 09:47.27 | congzi | wols: ... waiting takes your pains |
| 09:47.27 | wols | yes, lilo is backwards :P |
| 09:47.56 | wols | congzi: I usually configure the kernel, then start make-kpkg and go to sleep. next morning: fresh kernel :) |
| 09:47.58 | congzi | I worry that the server,if I update to 2.6 ,it won't boot |
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| 09:48.18 | wols | congzi: which is why you need to check your failsafes beforehand |
| 09:48.30 | liable | congzi: you will still be able to pick the 2.4 if 2.6 doesnt work. or is this over ssh? |
| 09:48.38 | gnufan | congzi: if you use debian kernel packages, and grub as a boot loader, newer kernels just get added to the boot menu automatically |
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| 09:48.51 | thing2 | there is no /etc/nologin |
| 09:48.51 | wols | congzi: and if you apt-get a kernel from sarge the chance is very high it won't boot. also you must use "noacpi" asa boot parameter I'd say |
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| 09:48.56 | thing2 | ssh works Ok |
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| 09:49.22 | sobersabre | guys, is there a painless way to go etch->sarge ? |
| 09:49.30 | wols | sobersabre: no |
| 09:49.38 | sobersabre | hmm... :-/ |
| 09:49.43 | wols | actually there is no way to go that route at all |
| 09:49.54 | sobersabre | and tha reason is... ? |
| 09:49.57 | eeyore- | what is your obsession with sarge? |
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| 09:50.11 | sobersabre | eeyore- no obsessions, me wonders |
| 09:50.15 | wols | cause apt can't go backwards. the info is not there and sometimes things change too much |
| 09:50.18 | liable | !downgrade |
| 09:50.18 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
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| 09:50.37 | liable | hrm, there used to be a link or two with that factoid.. |
| 09:50.52 | congzi | thanks ,I got it,will try today:) |
| 09:50.58 | WireDDD | what permissions do I need to set so that apt doesn't have super cow powers? |
| 09:51.17 | cahoot | WireDDD: that's the defualt |
| 09:51.18 | argent | i am getting some errors while trying to install postgres 7.4 ( http://rafb.net/paste/results/zCp8c354.html ). any ideas? |
| 09:51.19 | wols | WireDDD: impossible. no one can take away super cow powers |
| 09:51.20 | sobersabre | WireDDD it is a compilation option. |
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| 09:51.37 | gnufan | sobersabre: I've downgraded a system installed with the Etch installer to Sarge, but that was a Sarge install using th Etch installer, and downgrading just the installer bits was interesting (read painful) |
| 09:52.07 | eeyore- | in particular, mysql is very picky about database formats :-) |
| 09:52.25 | eeyore- | debian didn't update for me properly, once, i remember :-p |
| 09:52.35 | sobersabre | WireDDD and you cannot remove it.. there are special internal check of Checksums...so, if you remove it, many other parts of apt won't work :):):):) |
| 09:52.37 | wols | eeyore-: only once? :) |
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| 09:52.57 | eeyore- | wols: once is enough, thankyou :-) i'm left with new mysql that doesn't support my old table format any more |
| 09:53.01 | wols | eeyore-: you should run more sid :P |
| 09:53.19 | wols | yes, mysql DBs no workie can rain your day of course |
| 09:53.35 | gnufan | argent: /usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/initdb: line 655 -- the here document error -- where is it trying to write it? |
| 09:53.35 | eeyore- | wols: so ... how did i fix that ... hmm ... i think i put the table on another machine, ran the mysql table update command, then copy the tables back to the more recent sid |
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| 09:53.58 | sobersabre | ok thanks, debians. |
| 09:54.01 | argent | gnufan, i dunno. i just apt-get'ed the package |
| 09:54.02 | wols | I'd have answered: "lots of backups" |
| 09:54.35 | eeyore- | wols: well not really :-) backups are usually done as snapshot at a point in time. the db tables were 'live', so the backups would have been outdated |
| 09:54.59 | WireDDD | !Super Cow Powers |
| 09:54.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, super cow powers is "apt-get moo", or super cow powers include flying and speaking spanish, or mooing |
| 09:55.00 | argent | is there any way i can run --configure of packages in verbose mode? |
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| 09:55.09 | eeyore- | wols: granted i could have 'mysqldump' just before the update *had i known debian update would no longer support my existing table format* :-) |
| 09:55.20 | thing2 | wols: courie-imap gives the same error |
| 09:55.27 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.28 | thing2 | cant login |
| 09:55.31 | gnufan | argent: have you fiddled with permissions on key areas manually -- thinking /tmp -- one of these stupid hardening guidelines maybe? |
| 09:55.34 | wols | thing2: the error is? |
| 09:55.50 | eeyore- | wols: thinkgeek.com, check out the izilla |
| 09:55.52 | argent | gnufan, nope. did no such thing |
| 09:56.06 | argent | gnufan, ithough i am chrooted. |
| 09:56.11 | argent | *though |
| 09:56.53 | thing2 | unable to authenticate, unknown error, Server unexpectedly disconnected |
| 09:56.56 | Eulex | wols, OMG, PONIES!!! :) |
| 09:57.03 | thing2 | this is in evolution |
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| 09:57.43 | wols | thing2: check you syslog? |
| 09:57.45 | argent | gnufan, err... when i did ls -ld /tmp, it told me t hat the perms were r-xr-xr-x. fixed. thanks |
| 09:57.52 | wols | imapd should put stuff there |
| 09:58.13 | argent | gnufan, woohooo! it worked!!! thanks a lot man! i have been trying to do this for more than an hour! |
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| 09:58.55 | thing2 | hermes imapd[8054]: Login disabled user=thing auth=thing host=[192.168.1.200] |
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| 09:59.12 | gnufan | ~$ ls -ld /tmp |
| 09:59.13 | gnufan | drwxrwxrwt 14 root root 8192 2006-04-01 10:58 /tmp |
| 09:59.13 | gnufan | I'm worried for your chroot.... |
| 09:59.14 | thing2 | wols: nothing in syslog, tahts in auth.log |
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| 10:00.22 | wols | thing2: you can log ina via console or ssh tho? |
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| 10:00.35 | thing2 | yep ssh is fine |
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| 10:01.05 | wols | and there is nothing from courier in syslog at all? |
| 10:01.36 | congzi | wols:Get:1 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 2.6.8-16sarge2 [15.5M |
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| 10:01.52 | congzi | wols:like this install is ok? |
| 10:02.08 | congzi | wols:downloading... |
| 10:02.19 | thing2 | wols: ok, sorry I now have this, "Apr 1 05:03:21 hermes imaplogin: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory" |
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| 10:03.32 | wols | congzi: I doubt it |
| 10:03.43 | oldman | big fonts... does anyone have them? i'm looking for something big for a osd_cat announcement something even bigger than: -b&h-lucida-bold-i-normal-sans-34-240-100-100-p-215-iso8859-1 |
| 10:03.47 | wols | 2.6.8 is almost a year old |
| 10:03.58 | wols | it's only a security update, patching some bugs |
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| 10:04.26 | wols | congzi: and look into a way to change back to 2.4 remotely |
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| 10:05.21 | Johnny_5 | i think i really screwed something up this time |
| 10:05.30 | Johnny_5 | i got no sound anymore |
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| 10:06.01 | congzi | wols:sources list can not find the newer kernel |
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| 10:06.43 | IquO | hi, one question, when i recompile 2.6.16.1 kernel it always do all the process of recompilation and in the other computer it just recompile the changes, how can i enable that in this computer?? it's a bit annoying to have to recompile everyting every time |
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| 10:07.08 | congzi | wols:look like god let me compile it now |
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| 10:08.43 | wols | congzi: cause there is none in sarge. go to at least backports.org |
| 10:08.53 | coywolf | how to send all process SIGCONT? |
| 10:09.02 | Johnny_5 | when i rebotted it asked if i wanted to converge somethingofanother with it and something about if i did it would incomplete some scripts. then it told me recomended if unsure |
| 10:09.10 | Johnny_5 | now i got now sound |
| 10:09.14 | coywolf | all my process are in S state. |
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| 10:09.52 | Johnny_5 | how can i fix this? |
| 10:10.43 | congzi | wols:backports.org I check ,but cannot find out |
| 10:10.52 | Langly | Johnny_5 set an alarm clock near your computer |
| 10:11.02 | Johnny_5 | ? |
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| 10:11.14 | Langly | It will wake your processes |
| 10:11.15 | menko | Johnny_5: em, well you'll need to tell us at least what sound system you were using before, and also what debian you're using |
| 10:11.34 | Johnny_5 | etch |
| 10:11.45 | Johnny_5 | 2.6-8 kernel |
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| 10:12.21 | congzi | yeah,uname -r show that I had update the kernel to the 2.6.8.3 |
| 10:12.27 | FlopsyPete | I'm evaluating OpenOffice Base versus Rekall. Rekall disappears (crashes) when I choose New -> NEW Link -> Table link | Query link | SQL link. Is this normal> |
| 10:12.28 | Johnny_5 | the cd player and volume controller in the gnome menus |
| 10:12.46 | Johnny_5 | and xmms |
| 10:12.55 | macsim | hi, my power supplier crash last month, and some of my debian/sid files was endomaged I recover lot of them, but I still got a problem, http://pastebin.com/633978, happen when I try apt-file, any idea for resolv ? |
| 10:13.00 | FlopsyPete | is Rekall too flaky for production use? |
| 10:13.13 | menko | what about them? |
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| 10:13.56 | congzi | wols:http://61.48.133.52 |
| 10:14.39 | menko | Johnny_5: Well make sure the volume is up at least, use alsamixer for that, also try reconfiguring alsa with dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base , also try removing alsa-base (including the config files), and reinstalling it |
| 10:14.54 | wols | cwth do you xampp for linux? |
| 10:15.08 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 10:15.16 | wols | *use |
| 10:15.16 | congzi | wols:yes |
| 10:15.36 | IquO | hi, one question, when i recompile 2.6.16.1 kernel it always do all the process of recompilation and in the other computer it just recompile the changes, how can i enable that in this computer?? it's a bit annoying to have to recompile everyting every time |
| 10:15.40 | congzi | xampp is easy to use |
| 10:15.40 | wols | sure but WHY? it's like owls to athens or something |
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| 10:15.54 | wols | and it doesn't respect your package management at all |
| 10:15.57 | Howitzer | How do i check the version of a packet with apt-get?(or do you use apt-cache for that?) |
| 10:16.10 | wols | and apt-get install surely isn't harder |
| 10:16.22 | wols | Howitzer: dpkg -l package |
| 10:16.40 | Howitzer | wols, sorry, i meant a package in the repo's |
| 10:16.47 | wols | if you want to check not installed ones: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 10:16.51 | wols | also apt-cache show package |
| 10:16.56 | Howitzer | ah |
| 10:16.57 | Howitzer | okay |
| 10:17.01 | congzi | apt-get install is good,but xampp is easier |
| 10:17.05 | Howitzer | i'll remind that thank you. |
| 10:17.30 | Howitzer | congzi, i don't know how easier you can make 'apt-get install <package you want> |
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| 10:18.28 | congzi | the server just use apache+php+mysql at all |
| 10:18.39 | wols | congzi: find a way to change back the kernel if your upgrade goes bad |
| 10:18.58 | wols | then you can experiment with as many kernels as you wish |
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| 10:19.06 | congzi | apt-get install the package is older version than xampp |
| 10:19.19 | congzi | wols:thanks a lot |
| 10:20.24 | wols | congzi: xampp is also untested and unspported by debian |
| 10:20.43 | wols | which means your server is totally unsupported by anything. it's not debian anymore |
| 10:21.19 | Zedman | hallo! is this a modified version of cfdisk debian installer uses to create partitions? or is this based on a debian own or other program? |
| 10:21.35 | liable | its partman |
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| 10:22.12 | Zedman | liable: partman ... nothing to do with cfdisk? |
| 10:22.36 | congzi | wols:but my 3 friends use xampp half a year,it is good |
| 10:22.46 | congzi | so ... |
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| 10:23.07 | liable | Zedman: prolly a spinoff of it i guess. no idea really |
| 10:23.10 | thing2 | wols: should there be some sort of imap structure in a users home dir? |
| 10:23.32 | Zedman | liable: thanks... |
| 10:23.46 | congzi | wols,liable:thanks people here:) 88 |
| 10:23.54 | wols | thing2: yes. man maildirmake |
| 10:23.59 | thing2 | ta |
| 10:25.04 | DimmuR | is there any utility for debian (like Authentication Configuration Tool for FeodoraCore) that helps with adding debian to windows win2k3 domain? |
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| 10:25.22 | eeyore- | 2.6.16 has a surprise in store for acpi-cpufreq users :-) |
| 10:26.10 | wols | thing2: sorry, some time since I installed courier |
| 10:26.14 | eeyore- | just realized today that for boards that supported both acpi-cpufreq and speedstep-centrino in earlier kernels (2.6.15 and below) now will only accept speedstep-centrino, and will give 'no such device' when trying to load acpi-cpufreq |
| 10:26.27 | liable | DimmuR: you mean for samba?? |
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| 10:27.11 | DimmuR | liable: if it's only samba i would configure it myself :) its samba + ldap + kerberos + winbind (and not sure if there is more) |
| 10:27.25 | eeyore- | it *also* looked like speedstep-centrino didn't keep my cpu throttled down (to 600MHz) as much as acpi-cpufreq did earlier ... it now seems to hover around 1GHz |
| 10:27.56 | wols | eeyore-: ouch |
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| 10:28.32 | thing2 | wols: ok, ta.....all I really wanted was to get imap going again.... |
| 10:28.34 | thing2 | :/ |
| 10:28.47 | roxy_ | Hi, anyone using granule around ? On debian testing, using aptitude to install granule, when I try to open a deck I got: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x082e8150 *** |
| 10:28.48 | roxy_ | Aborted |
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| 10:29.12 | thing2 | this seesm OTT just to get im[a back up |
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| 10:29.31 | Eulex | eeyore-, thanks for the warning. nice to know. |
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| 10:30.07 | liable | eeyore-: never tried on-demand? |
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| 10:30.17 | eeyore- | liab: that's what i'm using |
| 10:31.05 | eeyore- | liable: i'm using on-demand for both 2.6.15 and 2.6.16, and i'm saying that on-demand + speedstep-centrino + 2.6.16 = 1GHz, whereas on-demand + acpi-cpufreq + 2.6.15 = 600MHz :-) |
| 10:31.59 | eeyore- | could be some changes in kernel compilation options on my part :-) |
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| 10:32.32 | Eulex | eeyore-, what pentium m cpu? |
| 10:32.52 | eeyore- | Eulex: mmmm, no idea. it's at work now. |
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| 10:33.38 | Eulex | eeyore-, heh, ok. iirc the pentium m's that came on sonoma boards (that is, late dothans) had problems with the speedstep-centrino driver. |
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| 10:34.53 | eeyore- | Eulex: according to email to kernel mailing list i found, the 'no such device' was deliberate --- speedstep-centrino is now preferred :-) i bet this will be changed back soon |
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| 10:36.06 | hume | i'm running debian testing, and suddenly after a dist-upgrade my xserver freezes after some 10 seconds - anyone knows what to check? the xorg.log gives me a lot of lines about hsync and vsync out of range, but they are set according to screen specifications |
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| 10:36.28 | thing2 | how can i do a total re-install of a package incl and config files pls? |
| 10:36.33 | eeyore- | oh, for what it's worth, i just finished patching mplayer for xvmc-vld acceleration (the openchrome project) and it's cool :-) finally some assisted mpeg2 decoding |
| 10:36.50 | eeyore- | if you guys use unichrome or unichrome pro and want a diff, let me know |
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| 10:37.07 | eeyore- | the diff on openchrome.org was against earlier mplayer cvs source and had some rejects |
| 10:37.10 | hume | thing2, you can do apt-get purge remove |
| 10:37.16 | eeyore- | i should mail them the new diff ... |
| 10:37.22 | hume | thing2, and then apt-get install |
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| 10:38.09 | Eulex | eeyore-, hmm, ok |
| 10:38.13 | roxy_ | any idea how I could debug something like this: *** glibc detected*** double free or corruption (out): 0x082e8150 *** |
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| 10:38.31 | eeyore- | apparently, there's been a split between unichrome project and the xvmc acceleration thing. it looks like the 'unichrome' driver is now more concerned with 'code quality' (sounds familiar?) rather than mpeg2 decoding acceleration |
| 10:38.51 | thing2 | hume: thanks |
| 10:38.56 | eeyore- | and as such, the unichrome project had been forked some time earlier, to create 'openchrome' (openchrome.org), which focuses on acceleration |
| 10:39.20 | thing2 | ok they didnt help |
| 10:39.32 | thing2 | so much for courier-imap works out of the box |
| 10:39.38 | thing2 | like hell it does |
| 10:40.35 | thing2 | anybody use a impa package that is simple and works? |
| 10:40.42 | thing2 | s/impa/imap |
| 10:41.18 | eeyore- | thing2: didn't someone suggest ... ah ... something else earlier, mmm, trying to remember |
| 10:41.32 | thing2 | yes courier....doesnt work |
| 10:41.40 | eeyore- | thing2: no, not courier |
| 10:41.41 | thing2 | nor does uw-imap |
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| 10:42.18 | thing2 | k |
| 10:42.33 | liable | dovecot? |
| 10:42.39 | eeyore- | yeah |
| 10:42.42 | eeyore- | dovecot |
| 10:42.58 | eeyore- | anyway, good night |
| 10:43.06 | roxy_ | how can I know when a package has been upgraded last ? |
| 10:43.37 | thing2 | i just love the statements :just works" |
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| 10:43.45 | streuner | roxy_: via ls |
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| 10:43.56 | streuner | roxy_: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 10:46.50 | Suprano- | i want to create a ssl key, but it seems my ssl is broken: Unable to load config info from /usr/ssl/openssl.cnf |
| 10:46.50 | Suprano- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.50 | Suprano- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.50 | roxy_ | streuner: thanks. |
| 10:47.55 | Suprano- | *put=but |
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| 10:49.37 | helen_ | what is a good image viewer under X? |
| 10:50.01 | GoAuLd | gthumb is the best one |
| 10:50.04 | helen_ | was thinking Gimp but think its a bit of a overkill |
| 10:50.41 | helen_ | gthumb? not used that before, will give it a go. Thankyou |
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| 10:50.54 | Shadowcat | never say best! |
| 10:51.01 | Shadowcat | or I'll have the Tokra remove you from your host! |
| 10:51.16 | helen_ | lol |
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| 10:52.43 | zignig | Shadowcat: the asgaard teleporter is cooler for removing parsites , no nasty scarring. |
| 10:52.45 | helen_ | also, I have a few machines now on this network. I want to be able to send system messages, to either from a linux server to linux machines or linux server to win/linux machines. Not sure how i would do this. Any options I can look at? |
| 10:52.53 | overnout | helen_: qiv is a nice very simple one |
| 10:52.54 | GoAuLd | what an insolence.. blow to me litle tauri and i may think let u live |
| 10:53.03 | zignig | helen_: what kind of messages ? |
| 10:53.06 | roxy_ | I got no unstable in my source.list, however when I type "aptitude install granule" it install the version 1.2.0-1 from unstable(and it has a critical bug). Where did I make a mistake ? |
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| 10:53.08 | GoAuLd | blow = bow |
| 10:53.14 | Shadowcat | zignig: you're right, we should just beam GoAuLd here into the sun |
| 10:53.21 | wols | GoAuLd: didn't you guys always lose? so why would anyone listen to you? |
| 10:53.22 | zignig | Shadowcat: zoomph! |
| 10:53.26 | helen_ | like system will be down or drive taken off line etc |
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| 10:53.52 | wols | roxy_: apt-cache policy granule |
| 10:54.07 | zignig | helen_: snmp / snmpd is _a_ fairly standard way of doing that. |
| 10:54.07 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 10:54.11 | overnout | helen_: do you mean win-pop-up messages ? |
| 10:54.18 | helen_ | yes |
| 10:54.41 | helen_ | I guess for win machines I wont be able to do that, but linux I am sure you can. |
| 10:54.44 | overnout | win-pop-up work with smbclient |
| 10:55.00 | overnout | but you will have to activate it on the win machines |
| 10:55.08 | overnout | and configure the samba server |
| 10:55.10 | zignig | helen_: oh sorry , you just want notifications. |
| 10:55.19 | roxy_ | wols: maybe I misread does that mean that version 1.2.0-1 for i386 is unstable : |
| 10:55.20 | roxy_ | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/granule |
| 10:56.11 | helen_ | ahh, so what docs should I be looking at to get an idea? |
| 10:56.40 | helen_ | I assume for linux desktops its smbclient, smb-common |
| 10:56.41 | roxy_ | wols: yes, I misread for i386 it is testing :/ |
| 10:56.49 | zignig | helen_: first up , what are you using to monitor your network ? |
| 10:57.32 | thing2 | arrg |
| 10:57.42 | overnout | helen_: yeap .. |
| 10:58.09 | helen_ | No ip sniffers etc, just check the dhcp server/network server and firewall. |
| 10:58.15 | roxy_ | wols: the current granule package from testing has a critical bug, how can I install the previous one? |
| 10:58.23 | thing2 | anybody know how to get imap going on a debian box please? |
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| 10:59.04 | zignig | thing2: install dovecot, it has a simple and functional pop3 and imap server. |
| 10:59.54 | thing2 | zignig: ta |
| 11:00.11 | zignig | helen_: I use 'mon' here, you can quite easily write alert scripts to notify you any way you want. |
| 11:00.39 | helen_ | mon? Ok does it use Samba? |
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| 11:01.40 | zignig | helen_: it just does netowrk monitoring, but when a machine goes down or up you can get it to run a script. |
| 11:01.57 | zignig | helen_: like post a notification via smb-message or jabber. |
| 11:02.09 | helen_ | I see. Usefull. |
| 11:03.08 | zignig | helen_: it does email/pager notification by default , but smb-message would not be that hard to set up. |
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| 11:04.10 | helen_ | Ok, so for instance I am taking a network drive off line. I need to smb-message. But I can also setup mon for instant checking and notifications of servers etc going down? |
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| 11:04.45 | helen_ | So what command would I use to send a smb-message? |
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| 11:06.43 | yang | I have an issue with Compaq Proliant server. I am unable to get into BIOS settings. The error says that RAM memory is not set and nonvolatile, so I only get 16mb recognised instead of 256Mb. I tried several boot floppies from the compaq website, but they dont seem to work ? |
| 11:08.01 | helen_ | Does mon have to be on the same network? Just thinking if the server goes down. Where would mon be running to check this? |
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| 11:09.07 | ircdevil | what is a meta-alpha release? |
| 11:09.07 | zignig | helen_: it does not have to be on the same network , but it still needs access to monitor the services. |
| 11:09.35 | helen_ | ahh, could come in very usefull then. |
| 11:09.41 | helen_ | I'll have a look |
| 11:10.10 | liable | ircdevil: huh? |
| 11:10.36 | liable | a claytons release? |
| 11:10.56 | ircdevil | liable: flickrfs 1.19 supposedly is a meta-alpha release. whatever that means ... |
| 11:10.56 | liable | the release you have, when you are not havent a release? |
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| 11:11.15 | helen_ | Suppose if it checks services as well I could have it running on the server to check status of services as well. |
| 11:11.16 | wols | roxy_: apt-get install -t sid granule |
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| 11:11.38 | helen_ | However being that the server is SME, think I'll need an RPM. |
| 11:11.54 | liable | ircdevil: nfc |
| 11:12.03 | andrea_ | hi guys |
| 11:12.17 | ircdevil | liable: k |
| 11:12.25 | andrea_ | can you tell me if there's a C++ programming channel ? |
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| 11:12.54 | cast | andrea_: sure is, try ##c++ |
| 11:12.54 | liable | theres no #C++?? |
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| 11:13.25 | Suprano- | where a logs located in debian ? |
| 11:13.34 | liable | /var/log |
| 11:13.46 | andrea_ | thank you |
| 11:13.51 | pavlix | /help |
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| 11:14.07 | pavlix | hmm bad, commands don |
| 11:14.10 | pavlix | don |
| 11:14.17 | pavlix | don't work :-( |
| 11:14.24 | Suprano- | ty |
| 11:14.28 | roxy_ | wols: no, the version installed is still 1.2.0-1 . |
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| 11:14.35 | pavlix | hi people... |
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| 11:15.14 | pavlix | do you know how to tell 'aplay' to play a file more loudly... or use another simple command to play a sound? |
| 11:15.48 | wols | !pinning |
| 11:15.48 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 11:17.08 | roxy_ | wols: great, thanks |
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| 11:17.25 | knarf` | hi! i'm trying to compile a kernel driver.. and i want to download the debian sarge 3.1 kernel sources, eg. kernel-source-2.4.27-2-386. Where can get this source package. Apt is only giving me kernel-source-2.4.27 (not the -2-386 version) ?? |
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| 11:18.41 | Howitzer | Is there a way to change how the clock shows the date in gnome? |
| 11:19.10 | Howitzer | it shows 'sa 1 apr', but i'd like it to simply show 01/04/06 |
| 11:20.36 | resiak | I suspect it follows your locale, and there is probably no way to change it, because of course no-one would ever want to, and having the option would be confusing! |
| 11:21.01 | pavlix | hmm again, please, you know about a command-line program to play a sound file with a higher volume? couldn't find this option in aplay |
| 11:21.02 | Howitzer | eh |
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| 11:21.29 | Howitzer | resiak, a simple option to choose the date format isn't confusing =/ |
| 11:21.39 | resiak | Howitzer: \o/ Gnome \o/ |
| 11:21.49 | Howitzer | but i love gnome :( |
| 11:21.53 | Eulex | pavlix, why would there be any such function in the player? use aumix/alsamixer/setmixer to set the volumes. |
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| 11:22.32 | pavlix | Eulex: thanks... but how do I set the volume for one single program? |
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| 11:23.05 | Eulex | pavlix, you can't, if the program doesn't include the option. |
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| 11:24.05 | Howitzer | can't you do that with mpg123 ? |
| 11:24.29 | Howitzer | i remember vaguely that there was an option for --volume 150% |
| 11:24.36 | pavlix | Eulex: that's why I am asking about one |
| 11:25.10 | pavlix | Howitzer: mpg123? I'll try |
| 11:25.20 | Eulex | pavlix, heck, I don't even know if that's possible if the player doesn't do software mixing to a lower volume |
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| 11:26.19 | Howitzer | Does anyone know if they're is an active userforum for debian like ubuntu has ubuntuforums ? |
| 11:27.06 | Eulex | !forum |
| 11:27.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 11:27.10 | zignig | Howitzer: your in it! |
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| 11:27.21 | zignig | s/your/your're |
| 11:27.43 | Howitzer | ooh |
| 11:27.44 | Howitzer | ty |
| 11:27.54 | Howitzer | eh |
| 11:27.56 | Daywalker | hey, which debian is best for a production server running quad opteron? |
| 11:28.06 | Howitzer | debianplanet is dead aswell :x |
| 11:28.24 | Eulex | Daywalker, stable. |
| 11:28.27 | wols | Daywalker: stable with a newer 2.6 kernel |
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| 11:29.02 | Daywalker | hmm ok, I tried sid and had some strange problems with linking 64bit gcc object files |
| 11:29.29 | Eulex | Daywalker, umh, amd64 sid is the worst you could choose for a production server. |
| 11:29.58 | wols | Daywalker: what will that server do? do you need more than 3.5GB address space per process? |
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| 11:31.28 | pavlix | Howitzer: Can't open default sound device! |
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| 11:31.37 | pavlix | hmm ok |
| 11:31.44 | Frostbite | According to mrtg, my average inbound monthly transfer speed is about 50Kb/s with peaks to about 150kb/s. Last night for exactly 1/2hr (to the second), inbound traffic shot to 1.7MB/s. Does that sound like a DDoS attack? |
| 11:31.57 | knarf` | again.. anyone knows where to get the debian kernel sources (2.4.27-2-386)? |
| 11:31.59 | Eulex | pavlix, mpg123 only does oss. get alsa-oss if you're using alsa. |
| 11:32.06 | Eulex | knarf`, apt-get it. |
| 11:32.25 | Eulex | knarf`, kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 11:32.30 | wols | Frostbite: it sounds like a busy blog mentioned you. |
| 11:32.40 | knarf` | Eluex: apt-get gives me the unmodified sources, eg. 2.4.27.. not 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 11:32.41 | wols | another explanation |
| 11:32.49 | Frostbite | wols: it's a toy shop |
| 11:32.54 | pavlix | Eulex: thanks |
| 11:33.10 | wols | Frostbite: yes and it had some cool toy a blogger wanted for his kid or whatever |
| 11:33.23 | cast | now what's the name of the pkg with gcc/make..etc.. all in it, *develop* something? |
| 11:33.26 | Frostbite | wols: ok, it just seems odd it was 1/2 hr to the second. |
| 11:33.29 | wols | you can#t know if it was a DDOS unless you see the actual traffic |
| 11:33.34 | pavlix | Eulex: also playsound can do the volume.... but doesn't work... cannot find some timidity config file |
| 11:33.41 | wols | and 1.7MB/s doesn't sound like much for a server... |
| 11:33.59 | Frostbite | wols: the fw is seperate but I got no more hits than usual against httpd. |
| 11:34.13 | Frostbite | wols: I'm downloading the fw log now |
| 11:34.17 | wols | Frostbite: if it was only an incoming spikle, then no, it was no DDOS cause one needs more than that to overwheelm a server |
| 11:34.32 | Frostbite | wols: ok then |
| 11:34.35 | wols | or at least a very stupid DDOS |
| 11:35.14 | Eulex | knarf`, no, kernel-source-2.4.27 is the sources with debian patches. |
| 11:35.53 | Frostbite | wols: what port would a small ddos run on? |
| 11:36.28 | Frostbite | wols: it wasn't to port 25 or 80 and I sent hardly anything back |
| 11:36.53 | Daywalker | wols, no it just hast 4gb ram ;) |
| 11:36.56 | Daywalker | -t |
| 11:37.10 | wols | if I had only marginal badnwith to overwehelm. I'd do lotsa searches on the website if iis thus capable |
| 11:37.28 | Eulex | pavlix, no idea, never heard about playsound |
| 11:37.29 | wols | would use up a lot of CPU power, memory for DB, etc. |
| 11:37.47 | pavlix | Eulex: doesn't even have a manpage in debian |
| 11:38.03 | Frostbite | wols: it's on a 100mbit link at a major datacentre - I wondered if it was some silly script kiddie with a bot net |
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| 11:38.15 | wols | Daywalker: then you can use a 32bit OS without big problems. still make it that the kernel gives up to 3.5GB per process instead of 2 |
| 11:38.49 | knarf` | Eulex: ok. how come they call it 2.4.27 then.. and not 2.4.27-2-386? |
| 11:39.12 | pavlix | Eulex: realised I already have alsa-oss |
| 11:39.25 | wols | cause it's the 2nd package made from that particular kernel source |
| 11:39.35 | Daywalker | wols, 64bit gives me 20% performance boost |
| 11:39.46 | wols | thewhite: and 40% instability? |
| 11:40.00 | wols | what does it do to get 20%? |
| 11:40.13 | Daywalker | compile mysql in 64bit mode |
| 11:40.30 | Daywalker | I have those data from an anandtech benchmark |
| 11:40.49 | vrt | guys i have a stock deb 2.6.8 kernel, into whihc the openswan patch has been backported(cmiiw) |
| 11:40.58 | vrt | i don't see any entries in /proc/sys/net/ |
| 11:41.01 | vrt | is this expecteD? |
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| 11:44.37 | [kalumea] | re |
| 11:44.39 | [kalumea] | :P |
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| 11:48.14 | plutonas | in which cd of the sarge distro, is amarok located? |
| 11:48.30 | war92 | What is the command again for downloading the source of a debian package? |
| 11:48.35 | war92 | apt-src ah hm |
| 11:48.37 | war92 | nm. |
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| 11:51.48 | Daywalker | is it a sin to run debian with 2.6.16? |
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| 11:52.18 | jelly-ho | Daywalker: ? |
| 11:53.11 | daywalker | no just because you pretend that the amd64/64bit kernel is not stable enough |
| 11:53.36 | daywalker | and one of my servers has an uptime of >100 days with a 64bit kernel |
| 11:53.41 | wols | who pretended? |
| 11:53.49 | plutonas | in which cd of the sarge distro, is amarok located? |
| 11:53.59 | wols | and for a real server, yes that kernel is not yet tested enough to run in one |
| 11:54.02 | wols | no matter the arch |
| 11:54.14 | power1 | Hey all, I am having a problem with getting postfix to scan mails with clamav , keep getting this in the log " Clam Antivirus-clamd: Can't connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ct " ive checked permissions and made sure that "amavis" is the owner in both conf files relating to amavis and postfix.......any ideas |
| 11:54.36 | wols | power1: postfix runs in a chroot |
| 11:54.42 | wols | it probably doesn't have access there |
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| 11:55.48 | power1 | wols so what do i do......I am new to debian coming from a gentoo background..? |
| 11:56.10 | wols | I'd ask +postfi |
| 11:56.15 | wols | #postfix |
| 11:56.36 | wols | tho basically: you need to make sure both processes can see the socket |
| 11:56.49 | wols | or you remove postfix from its chroot, etc |
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| 11:57.08 | power1 | hmmmm.....sounds complicated thanks... |
| 11:57.30 | daywalker | wols, i think it was you but the verb "pretend" was wrong, i meant "insisted on" ... my english isn't perfect :/ |
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| 11:57.53 | midas | hi!!! |
| 11:58.30 | midas | I'm recently having problems reading my iPod mini |
| 11:58.45 | jengelh | wi |
| 11:59.07 | midas | but it disappointing thant I can read it from another PC |
| 11:59.28 | midas | (with the same debian) |
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| 12:00.17 | wols | daywalker: both me and Eulex said: stable. and stable is only available for x86-32. You're of course you're welcome to run anything you want on your quad opteron. However: why did you ask if you already knew what the answer should be? |
| 12:00.44 | midas | well, what I get (/var/log/syslog) is that the filesistem is not correct |
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| 12:01.02 | midas | 1 13:52:58 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 80837 |
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| 12:01.14 | midas | any idea ?ż? |
| 12:03.42 | MarcoPau | howdy |
| 12:04.10 | pavlix | Hmm, what do I use as a sound device in debian (using kde)... /dev/dsp doesn't work (Can't open /dev/dsp!)... please |
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| 12:06.44 | Tygrys | pavlix: hm.. try: cd /dev/; ln -s .static/dev/dsp; ln -s .static/dev/mixer |
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| 12:08.34 | wols | power1: you use alsa, not oss. /dev/dsp is purely oss |
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| 12:09.25 | kyncani | pavlix: alsa |
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| 12:11.56 | pavlix | Tygrys: hmm, tak to se nPRIVMSG #debian :kyncani: but... how to use alsa... |
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| 12:12.03 | pavlix | does it have a sound device? |
| 12:12.11 | pavlix | something in /dev |
| 12:12.20 | pavlix | Tygrys: sorry for that... |
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| 12:12.32 | pavlix | switching languages all the time ;-) |
| 12:12.50 | SlackRat | im confused, apt-get is still failing to fetch, its been three days.... |
| 12:13.00 | cat | SlackRat: any errors? |
| 12:13.10 | pavlix | Tygrys: so.. I can't understand your ln -s.... |
| 12:13.25 | pavlix | Tygrys: I thought that's for making symbolic links |
| 12:13.40 | SlackRat | Err http |
| 12:13.45 | SlackRat | and failed to fetch |
| 12:14.05 | cat | SlackRat: try adding more sources on you're source list by apt-setup |
| 12:14.08 | cat | or by hand |
| 12:14.34 | SlackRat | apt-set up, will give it a try....is there something going on with the repos? it was working fine..... |
| 12:14.57 | cat | SlackRat: not sure, but try other repositories, |
| 12:15.06 | SlackRat | thanks |
| 12:15.09 | cat | may be down, for maintanced, or something |
| 12:15.14 | cat | no problem |
| 12:15.20 | SlackRat | prolly.... |
| 12:16.17 | pavlix | hmm |
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| 12:16.35 | pavlix | I still can't cope with the sound device |
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| 12:16.49 | cat | pavlix: you did alsaconf? |
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| 12:17.08 | pavlix | cat... I have all working in KDE |
| 12:17.23 | pavlix | but.... I don't know how to use it... |
| 12:17.41 | pavlix | I.. just need to play a sound with a command... but with a higher volume |
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| 12:18.07 | pavlix | nothing more ;-) |
| 12:18.07 | MarcoPau | hey, I just compiled kernel 2.6.16 and I get a kernel panic VFS cannot open root device 306 or inknown-block. please append a correct root= boot option. Not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs |
| 12:18.13 | b0re | pavlix: did you mess with kmix? |
| 12:18.18 | SlackRat | apt-setup, heh....you find a new tool everyday.....back on track again.... |
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| 12:18.30 | MarcoPau | the precooked kernel with initrd image is working, but the other one won't boot |
| 12:18.41 | pavlix | b0re: don't know what is to mess with kmix... but I do use it |
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| 12:19.44 | pavlix | b0re: but I thought kmix only sets up alsa volumes, nothing more |
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| 12:21.46 | SlackRat | alsamixer sets alsa volumes, kmix sets up kde sound system volumes etc.... |
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| 12:22.27 | pavlix | SlackRat: only kde sound system's? |
| 12:22.51 | pavlix | SlackRat: this can't be true |
| 12:22.53 | SlackRat | well if youre running kde the first checkbox is sound system ,(usually on) |
| 12:23.04 | pavlix | at least.... not for me |
| 12:23.32 | power1 | How do i tell which daemons are set to start on bootup and control which do and which dont...it seems that any daemon i emerge with "apt-get install" just seems to auto set itself to start at boot? |
| 12:23.39 | SlackRat | and its running whatever server (alsa, etc),,,,,,so if everything else is set up right, all you need is to make sure volume is up on kmix |
| 12:23.44 | pavlix | SlackRat: or.... |
| 12:23.49 | cat | power1: man update-rc.d |
| 12:23.58 | pavlix | maybe you're right |
| 12:24.07 | SlackRat | but sometimes the sound server (esd, or alsa for ex) arent working you have to deal with them |
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| 12:24.16 | SlackRat | have you run alsaconf? |
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| 12:24.50 | SlackRat | it will find , set up and test your sound thru alsa..... |
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| 12:26.05 | pavlix | SlackRat: I didn't... at least not myself... maybe the configuration scripts? |
| 12:26.21 | SlackRat | run alsaconf on cli |
| 12:26.25 | pavlix | SlackRat: do I need to do that even if the sound in KDE is working??? |
| 12:26.39 | SlackRat | where or what is the exact sound problem? |
| 12:26.46 | kelmo | is anyone here using wpasupplicant from unstable? |
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| 12:28.00 | pavlix | SlackRat: I don't have a particular sound problem.... but I'd like to play a sound with a command-line utility (one simple command).... and with a higher volume (for the particular sound) |
| 12:28.24 | SlackRat | kde plays the role of desktop environment and brings together other apps, daemons and utils, to work together....but why would kde give you sound on command line? |
| 12:28.32 | SlackRat | its a gui .... |
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| 12:28.51 | SlackRat | is your sound set in kde for alsa, autodetect, esd? |
| 12:29.23 | b0re | ha |
| 12:29.27 | coywolf | can I use some specail key on my laptop? the browser key, the mail key,? |
| 12:29.27 | SlackRat | heh |
| 12:29.32 | b0re | man i think im the only in this city not usin that stuff |
| 12:29.37 | b0re | person* |
| 12:29.40 | pavlix | SlackRat: I'm running unstable... and it was working from the beginning, but I think it's alsa |
| 12:29.41 | SlackRat | heh, me too actually |
| 12:29.56 | b0re | SlackRat: on the west coast? |
| 12:30.05 | SlackRat | you can check in kde.....if its alsa you can fine tune it with alsa mixer |
| 12:30.21 | SlackRat | no b0re, jordan, actually.....about 8000 miles east |
| 12:30.26 | b0re | ah hehe |
| 12:30.49 | SlackRat | the west coast here means beirut |
| 12:31.13 | SlackRat | or alsaconf pavlix |
| 12:31.13 | pavlix | SlackRat: so it's alsa |
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| 12:31.31 | SlackRat | check out the alsa tools then |
| 12:31.36 | SlackRat | to further tweak sound |
| 12:31.51 | SlackRat | kde is giving you access to alsa sound for kde primarily |
| 12:31.56 | SlackRat | via kmix |
| 12:32.45 | pavlix | SlackRat: ok... but still I don't have any such commandline tool to play a sound with higer volume than the others... |
| 12:32.58 | pavlix | I didn't find such an option in aplay |
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| 12:33.20 | SlackRat | havent tried cli sound pavlix....your on your own ;) |
| 12:33.32 | SlackRat | i even turn off the system bell |
| 12:33.34 | power1 | im kinda new to postfix......and im confused about the users maildir creation "is there a way to autocreate each users maildir, should it use ".maildir" or just "maildir" what should the structure the subs in /maildir/ be etc...... |
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| 12:35.41 | pavlix | SlackRat: ok, thanks anyway, many things are a bit clearer |
| 12:35.54 | SlackRat | np |
| 12:37.30 | SlackRat | biab |
| 12:38.27 | oskie | what are your alternatives if you want Macromedia Flash support in debian-amd64 mozilla-firefix? |
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| 12:43.20 | nlx | hello |
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| 12:44.51 | nlx | someone can help me with utf8 ? |
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| 12:46.53 | st0ner | kinderfressende schokoladenfabrik |
| 12:47.09 | pavlix | nlx: and what about utf8? |
| 12:48.09 | nlx | i make page in utf8 |
| 12:48.29 | nlx | locale charmap : utf8 |
| 12:49.01 | pavlix | nlx: okay, be more precise, please... |
| 12:49.16 | nlx | and i put these on a server lamp debian |
| 12:49.32 | nlx | ssh locale charmap : utf8 |
| 12:50.24 | nlx | but file -i on index.php in ssh tell me : iso us ! |
| 12:50.34 | nlx | oups |
| 12:50.42 | nlx | us-ascii |
| 12:51.36 | nlx | i don't understand |
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| 12:51.44 | pavlix | nlx... so it is us ascii |
| 12:51.47 | pavlix | ;-) |
| 12:51.52 | pavlix | the file |
| 12:51.55 | nlx | :P |
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| 12:52.06 | pavlix | nlx: and... it doesn't mean it is not utf-8 |
| 12:52.30 | tsukihime | do debian got in repositories packages for contructing and managing circuits and electronics??? |
| 12:52.38 | ogzy | i have problem with my fan at laptop |
| 12:52.54 | kelmo | tsukihime: i have seen similar stuff like that, i am sure |
| 12:52.59 | ogzy | it doesnt stop when i pug the power cable |
| 12:52.59 | pavlix | nlx.... file -i just tells you what it can say about a file... it doesn't have anything to do with your locale |
| 12:53.06 | ogzy | but the cpu is not hot |
| 12:53.07 | Den-Dens | Hy evrybody i was wondering if someone could help me iv'e recently installed debian sarge i've added some unstable repositories and evrything is wel i was just wondering if anyone could tell me how to install a 2.6 kernel |
| 12:53.08 | kelmo | tsukihime: but have never used that sort of app |
| 12:53.10 | plutonas | do you know in which of the 14 cd's of debian amarok is? |
| 12:53.27 | tsukihime | kelmo: dont you remember the name of package? |
| 12:53.49 | ogzy | what is the problem with the cpu, how can i make it work in a regular way |
| 12:53.58 | mattl | tsukihime: http://packages.debian.org/stable/electronics/ |
| 12:54.19 | tsukihime | mattl: thanks |
| 12:54.35 | nlx | pavlix: and phpmyadmin tell me a lot of stranges chars |
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| 12:55.23 | pavlix | nlx: phpmyadmin also doesn't depend on your default locale |
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| 12:55.34 | rvsjoen | ogzy: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/thermal.html |
| 12:55.48 | Howitzer | What package do i need to download from what repository to get full english language support?(Debian only downloaded Dutch because i live in Belgium.) |
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| 12:56.04 | pavlix | nlx: only if you choose a good language-encoding pair in phpmyadmin, it works... |
| 12:56.07 | nlx | pavlix: that don't apear correctly in my web page but i insert meta utf8 |
| 12:56.26 | pavlix | nlx: is it on the web? |
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| 12:57.10 | ogzy | rvsjoen, i have acpi installed |
| 12:57.15 | nlx | no only on local :( port 80 is blocked by admin :( |
| 12:57.24 | ogzy | rvsjoen, kernel is 2.6.16 |
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| 12:57.43 | pavlix | nlx: btw... setting up locale on server doesn't affect any of these things |
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| 12:58.12 | pavlix | nlx: something's wrong... try to put the resulting webpage somewhere.... or do yo have Jabber? |
| 12:58.41 | nlx | pavlix: <input type="text" value="test" is ok |
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| 12:59.21 | nlx | so a textarea writed by a web visitor is not ok ! |
| 12:59.34 | pavlix | nlx: inputs shouldn't be bad... |
| 12:59.40 | RAS | hello ,evryone |
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| 12:59.53 | pavlix | nlx, but you have to take everything as utf-8 |
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| 13:00.31 | RAS | hello ,i am chinese |
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| 13:02.29 | nlx | if my website meta ut8 (firefox tell encodage utf8), a body who write in textarea.. the value is send in uft8.... no ? |
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| 13:05.05 | nlx | pavlix: is it ? |
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| 13:08.12 | nlx | pavlix: i must encode my input in utf8 with php ? |
| 13:08.14 | pavlix | nlx... i don't see anything wrong on this simple part of code... except you didn't include closing > |
| 13:08.15 | blondie | can anyone recommend a CLI audio player please? |
| 13:08.19 | kristalino | debhelper définit la limite de canal à 778, why ? |
| 13:08.29 | abrotman | blondie: to play what? |
| 13:08.35 | abrotman | !fr |
| 13:08.35 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:08.38 | pavlix | nlx: all your input should be taken as utf8 from the beginning to the end |
| 13:08.48 | abrotman | kristalino: to stop join flooding |
| 13:09.03 | blondie | abrotman: audio :P ogg and mp3 |
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| 13:10.13 | nlx | pavlix: well phpmyadmin should see me the chars with accent (éèà ) ? or not ? |
| 13:10.35 | abrotman | blondie: mpg### .. can't remember which .. one is nonfree .. other is free |
| 13:10.42 | pavlix | nls, i see just garbage... but... |
| 13:10.56 | blondie | abrotman: preferably that supports playlists :\ |
| 13:10.59 | pavlix | nls do you use jabber? |
| 13:11.08 | abrotman | blondie: damn you! |
| 13:11.09 | Den-Dens | Hy, Is it possible to install a 2.6 kernel in debian. and if it's possible how do i do it. |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | blondie: apt-cache search command line ogg mp3 |
| 13:11.24 | nlx | pavlix: no.. what is jabber ? |
| 13:11.41 | asg | Den-Dens: it's been possible for years |
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| 13:11.49 | Den-Dens | :) |
| 13:11.53 | Den-Dens | good to know |
| 13:12.09 | abrotman | Den-Dens: which versino of debian ? |
| 13:12.20 | asg | abrotman: slink? :p |
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| 13:12.27 | abrotman | not funny! |
| 13:12.31 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 13:12.31 | nlx | pavlix: ok.. no i'don't use |
| 13:12.31 | asg | yes, funny! |
| 13:12.45 | Den-Dens | ive installed debian sarge but i'm using unstable repositories |
| 13:12.47 | rindolf | How do I install postfix without uninstalling qmail? |
| 13:12.54 | pavlix | nlx... an instant messaging system, in many ways better that icq or msn, and... some people say that it's better that irc ;-) www.jabber.org |
| 13:12.58 | valdyn | rindolf: you dont |
| 13:13.27 | abrotman | rindolf: you can't .. they conflict .. at least the debian packages do |
| 13:13.28 | rindolf | valdyn: but I need to. |
| 13:13.31 | pavlix | nlx, you have to choose utf8 in phpmyadmin |
| 13:13.36 | abrotman | rindolf: why do you need to? |
| 13:13.42 | valdyn | rindolf: why the hell do you need 2 MTA ? |
| 13:13.58 | rindolf | abrotman: because I want to test the postfix configuration before I remove qmail permanently. |
| 13:14.02 | resiak | Den-Dens: So you mean "I'm running Sid", in which case, apt-cache search --names-only linux-image-2.6 |
| 13:14.04 | abrotman | valdyn: spam himself ? |
| 13:14.10 | rindolf | abrotman: I want to temporaril switch from one MTA to the other. |
| 13:14.18 | valdyn | rindolf: you can install qmail again later |
| 13:14.41 | abrotman | he could force conflicts .. but that'll probably be a mess |
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| 13:14.55 | Den-Dens | abrotman : i installed debian sarge but i'm using unstable repos |
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| 13:15.01 | valdyn | abrotman: yea and have each package overwrite each others files ) |
| 13:15.10 | abrotman | Den-Dens: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 13:15.17 | nlx | pavlix: utf8_unicode_ca |
| 13:15.20 | abrotman | valdyn: i did say mess didn't i ? :) |
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| 13:15.39 | pavlix | nlx.... first... when you are starting phpmyadmin |
| 13:15.48 | pavlix | nlx: you have to choose language and encoding |
| 13:16.08 | rindolf | qmail and postfix have files with identical paths? Why??? |
| 13:16.16 | pavlix | nlx: not for database but for phpmyadmin, that program is not as good as it could be ;-) |
| 13:16.17 | Den-Dens | abrotman: yes i've dun that sevrel times and i vound sevral options. the installation itself is the problem |
| 13:16.20 | valdyn | rindolf: because BOTH are MTAs |
| 13:16.32 | rindolf | valdyn: so? |
| 13:16.36 | abrotman | Den-Dens: apt-get install <pkg> |
| 13:16.43 | nlx | pavlix: French (utf-8) i choose |
| 13:17.21 | valdyn | rindolf: every MTA provides a 'sendmail' command |
| 13:17.31 | rindolf | valdyn: I see. |
| 13:17.46 | knarf` | anyone here knows how to set the default gcc version? i'have both 2.95 and 4.0 installed.. and 4.0 is the default. It want 2.95 to be the default version.. little help? |
| 13:17.47 | roxy_ | How can I use alsamixer on /dev/dsp2, I tried -D but I got an error. |
| 13:17.54 | Den-Dens | abrotman, k wait a sec i'll try again is installing linux-image2.6 enough or do i need somthing else as wel |
| 13:17.54 | valdyn | rindolf: there's no reason why you cant temporarily remove postfix |
| 13:17.58 | pavlix | nix, ok... and now try to insert some data... and read it again in phpmyadmin |
| 13:18.01 | nlx | pavlix: but chars with accents not appears correctly |
| 13:18.04 | valdyn | rindolf: just dont use 'purge' |
| 13:18.04 | abrotman | Den-Dens: what is your CPU ? |
| 13:18.18 | nlx | pavlix: ok i check |
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| 13:18.52 | knarf` | gcc |
| 13:19.03 | Den-Dens | abrotman; my CPU is a pentium 3 i always tryed installing images with 686 at the end |
| 13:19.06 | knarf` | (sorry) |
| 13:19.20 | abrotman | Den-Dens: and that's correct . so in this case .. apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 13:19.43 | abrotman | Den-Dens: you may wish to do an apt-get update before that |
| 13:19.59 | tazos | no mouse cursor movement after boot-up. what can be the likelys cause? |
| 13:20.10 | abrotman | mousedev isn't loaded |
| 13:20.14 | rindolf | valdyn: OK. |
| 13:20.16 | nlx | pavlix: no, chars with accents appear as ĂƒÂ©ĂƒÂ©ĂĆ’Ă‚ |
| 13:20.25 | Lynoure | öh? :) |
| 13:20.27 | Den-Dens | abrotman: ok it seems to work. thanks very much ;) |
| 13:20.27 | blondie | tazos: you didnt move your mouse? |
| 13:20.37 | abrotman | Den-Dens: glad to help |
| 13:20.38 | knarf` | aha.. gcc is just a symlink |
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| 13:20.49 | abrotman | blondie: not many command line players anymore .. used to be lots of them |
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| 13:20.57 | blondie | I got mp3blaster |
| 13:21.05 | roxy_ | alsamixer -D /dev/dsp2 gives: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for /dev/dsp2: No such file or directory |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | blondie: http://packages.debian.org/testing/sound/ .. might be useful |
| 13:21.27 | tazos | abrotman, how to make that happen? when i modprobe mousedev, the device is not recognised. |
| 13:21.31 | valdyn | roxy_: why are you giving alsamixer an OSS device? |
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| 13:21.54 | abrotman | tazos: it shuld be .. |
| 13:22.08 | abrotman | tazos: what kind of mouse? |
| 13:22.08 | tazos | abrotman, i am using hotplug kernel config. |
| 13:22.20 | pavlix | nlx.... you can't send accented chars to IRC and expect it working |
| 13:22.23 | tazos | abrotman, usb. |
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| 13:22.29 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 13:22.29 | dpkg | hmm... usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 13:22.33 | tazos | 7-button |
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| 13:23.01 | pavlix | nlx... IRC is a bit ascii-age ;-) |
| 13:23.13 | roxy_ | valdyn: I installed a sound card I got 2 now. I am trying to setup the second. (and obviously I don't know much about what I am doing). To set up the first I used alsamixer so ... |
| 13:23.17 | nlx | pavlix: :o) |
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| 13:23.25 | asg | pavlix: so are books but they still publish them after all these years |
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| 13:23.46 | navaladi | #flood |
| 13:24.21 | tazos | abrotman, thks , i have some of the requirement. will try the rest. |
| 13:24.24 | pavlix | asg.... that's not the same topic |
| 13:24.27 | nlx | pavlix: so it is normal that i don't see correctly the accentued chars in phpmyadmin ? |
| 13:24.30 | Den-Dens | Bye evrone Cu laterz |
| 13:24.39 | valdyn | roxy_: hw:2,0 is the second alsa device |
| 13:24.40 | abrotman | tazos: good luck |
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| 13:24.57 | valdyn | roxy_: err, hw:1,0 is the second, hw:2,0 is te third |
| 13:25.00 | pavlix | asg.... and books are not ascii-age either |
| 13:25.03 | nlx | pavlix: phpMyAdmin - 2.8.0.2-Debian-3 and MySQL - 5.0.19-Debian |
| 13:25.27 | pavlix | nlx... it is... I'm not sure.... |
| 13:25.56 | pavlix | nlx: you can have phpmyadmin working with utf-8 |
| 13:26.18 | pavlix | nlx but it's not as easy as you se... |
| 13:26.18 | lubricate | hai |
| 13:26.39 | pavlix | nlx... but if you post here some characters, I don't know how You see them |
| 13:26.45 | roxy_ | valdyn: not working: http://pastebin.com/634145 |
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| 13:27.18 | th0ger_ | Where is my bell?? I want the system bell (pcspeaker) in console/xterm but theres no sound. If I ssh to a remote machine the bell rings fine. |
| 13:27.24 | valdyn | roxy_: alsamixer -c 1 |
| 13:27.25 | nlx | pavlix: é appear as A + tidle |
| 13:27.55 | pavlix | nlx... ok |
| 13:27.57 | roxy_ | valdyn: No mixer elems found |
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| 13:28.08 | k31th | How do i add a dictionarie to thunderbird and openoffice |
| 13:28.14 | valdyn | roxy_: you dont even have a driver for your 2nd soundcard loaded? |
| 13:28.39 | Agent0815 | hi @ all |
| 13:29.07 | pavlix | U+00E9 LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH ACUTE |
| 13:29.07 | pavlix | UTF-8: c3 a9 |
| 13:29.32 | blondie | a cute what? |
| 13:29.40 | roxy_ | valdyn: how can I check that ? |
| 13:29.51 | asg | blondie: acute is a grammar term |
| 13:29.52 | valdyn | roxy_: cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 13:30.08 | ootput | Hi guys, I'm considering implementing an imap server on my local network, that'll serve as the repository of offlineimap syncs from my isp's server. Are there any servers that efficiently provide that service? |
| 13:30.10 | blondie | orly |
| 13:30.24 | yooser | ya rly |
| 13:30.49 | valdyn | ootput: grabbing mails from your isp is not an imap servers job |
| 13:30.51 | roxy_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/634151 |
| 13:30.54 | pavlix | nlx: that's quite strange |
| 13:31.03 | asg | ootput: use fetchmail or getmail for that |
| 13:31.05 | ootput | valdyn: that's what offlineimap is for. |
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| 13:31.17 | ootput | valdyn, asg. imap will serv mail locally |
| 13:31.29 | valdyn | ootput: any imap server can do that |
| 13:31.33 | pavlix | nlx, can't help here |
| 13:31.45 | ootput | valdyn: which ones would not be overkill, is essentially my question |
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| 13:32.10 | valdyn | roxy_: alsamixer -c2 |
| 13:32.14 | nlx_ | pavlix: ah! i've a problem with my mysql ? |
| 13:32.33 | valdyn | ootput: dovecot is nice |
| 13:32.37 | roxy_ | valdyn: perfect, thanks :-) |
| 13:32.52 | pavlix | nlx_ I don't know |
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| 13:33.35 | pavlix | nlx_: i don't even use MySQL any more.... |
| 13:33.49 | nlx_ | pavlix: :P |
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| 13:34.11 | pavlix | switched to postgres, recently |
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| 13:34.38 | nlx_ | pavlix: big thank i go more search |
| 13:35.04 | nlx_ | pavlix: bye ;) |
| 13:35.07 | wamty | what are debian's startup scripts? |
| 13:35.16 | asg | wamty: /etc/init.d |
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| 13:35.23 | pavlix | nlx_: byle |
| 13:35.31 | wamty | only? |
| 13:35.35 | nlx_ | bye all |
| 13:35.35 | pavlix | bye ;-) |
| 13:35.54 | asg | wamty: yes, they are linked to runleves in /etc/rcX.d. Read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 13:36.38 | paquin | I want to set my X deskwall with a png or jpeg image. Is there any utility to do it quickly (and in .xinitrc). tnx |
| 13:36.52 | asg | paquin: xsetroot, Esetroot, bsetbg |
| 13:36.54 | abrotman | xsetroot ? |
| 13:36.56 | dureyes | can someone tell of a web site that is popoular among debian users that will post the best package repositories for sarge stable, TIA |
| 13:37.07 | paquin | asg: tnx |
| 13:37.12 | asg | dureyes: apt-setup |
| 13:37.15 | valdyn | dureyes: uh? |
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| 13:39.16 | paquin | abrotman: xsetroot: bad bitmap format file: Images/Walls/think.jpg |
| 13:39.30 | asg | paquin: use Esetroot from the eterm package |
| 13:39.45 | paquin | abrotman: I think xsetroot accepts only bitmaps files :( |
| 13:39.55 | abrotman | so try bsetbg |
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| 13:40.52 | paquin | abrotman: apt-get install bsetbg = E: Couldn't find package bsetbg |
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| 13:41.08 | abrotman | !find bsetbg sarge |
| 13:41.13 | paquin | abrotman: I am running sarge on a pen drive so I want keep a small filesystem |
| 13:41.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bsetbg' (2): (/usr/bin/fbsetbg) in x11/fluxbox ;; (/usr/bin/bsetbg, /usr/share/doc/blackbox/README.bsetbg.gz) in x11/blackbox. |
| 13:42.07 | abrotman | paquin: well .. you can either convert the image .. or install blackbox |
| 13:42.15 | abrotman | paquin: or find another way to do it |
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| 13:42.40 | paquin | abrotman: ok! |
| 13:43.00 | runa | hi after upgrating my distro fonts are tooo small |
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| 13:43.08 | runa | can anybody help me |
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| 13:44.07 | runa | how can i change the default xfont size |
| 13:44.17 | abrotman | depends on the app |
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| 13:45.04 | runa | abrotman but before upgrading it was fine |
| 13:45.16 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 13:45.18 | abrotman | what app |
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| 13:45.25 | runa | all |
| 13:45.34 | pavlix | runa ;-) |
| 13:45.36 | wamty | what can I use to write a boot image? |
| 13:46.01 | abrotman | runa: what WM ? |
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| 13:46.15 | runa | fluxbox |
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| 13:46.35 | abrotman | gtk apps .. qt apps ? |
| 13:46.43 | wamty | anyone? |
| 13:46.51 | abrotman | dd |
| 13:46.59 | abrotman | wamty: you mean a floppy image right ? |
| 13:47.11 | wamty | dd ? |
| 13:47.17 | asg | wamty: dd(1) |
| 13:47.25 | wamty | does dd work only on debian? |
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| 13:47.31 | pavlix | dd if=..... of=/dev/floppy |
| 13:47.41 | abrotman | wamty: well .. if you weren't being so vague .. we could give you a better answer |
| 13:47.42 | runa | pavlix do u know how i can change default font size |
| 13:47.43 | karl_ | can anyone suggest a service that could monitor my server and send sms to me in case of apache is down and such I would like to have a client on the server that talks to a service in internet Do not want to open to internet services that are local so they can be monitored by internet |
| 13:47.50 | pavlix | wamty: any unix |
| 13:48.08 | pavlix | runa.... abrotman is right... |
| 13:48.37 | cast | karl_: well, yeah. http://siteuptime.com/ |
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| 13:48.49 | pavlix | runa: depends on apps, desktop, wm and toolkit |
| 13:48.50 | karl_ | cast: Thanks will look Is it expensive ? |
| 13:49.17 | cast | karl_: wait, nvm. different thing. thatll monitor servers *on* the net |
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| 13:50.01 | karl_ | cast: What is nvm |
| 13:50.06 | cast | nevermind |
| 13:50.16 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 13:50.16 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 13:50.21 | abrotman | !gtk2 font size |
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| 13:50.28 | abrotman | bah .. use gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 13:51.02 | th0ger_ | Why does my 'bell' comand not work? Even echo -e '\a' works, and i run bell as root. |
| 13:51.14 | asg | th0ger_: modprobe pcspkr (if you use a 2.6 kernel) |
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| 13:51.35 | pavlix | !alsa |
| 13:51.35 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist> |
| 13:51.37 | abrotman | and if you use alsa .. make sure your levels are up |
| 13:51.38 | asg | th0ger_: oh, disregard that |
| 13:51.41 | pavlix | ;-) |
| 13:51.43 | pavlix | hezky |
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| 13:55.44 | th0ger_ | abrotman: oh its an alsa problem? i also have some problem with my alsa config |
| 13:56.07 | th0ger_ | abrotman: but all the volumes are turned up |
| 13:57.06 | th0ger_ | !alsa |
| 13:57.08 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist> |
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| 13:58.18 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 13:58.18 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 13:58.45 | wamty | is BootCatalog.cat a relevant file to the boot process? |
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| 14:00.36 | pavlix | /msg dpkg |
| 14:00.39 | th0ger_ | abrotman: should arts or esound be stopped or not? |
| 14:01.13 | abrotman | probably |
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| 14:01.16 | pavlix | Is it possible to run kde with sound.... and not block alsa for other software? |
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| 14:01.41 | th0ger_ | abrotman: the answer is yes or no :) |
| 14:01.41 | abrotman | !info dmix sarge |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | th0ger: sorry .. i'd stop them |
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| 14:03.23 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:03.23 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:03.26 | streuner_ | pavlix: Isn't it enough to run ALSA for sound? |
| 14:04.01 | SlackRat | moooooooooooooooo |
| 14:04.03 | th0ger_ | !moo |
| 14:04.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:04.08 | blondie | !abrotman |
| 14:04.08 | dpkg | abrotman is probably someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
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| 14:04.15 | Eulex | !abrotmoo |
| 14:04.15 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 14:04.39 | SlackRat | !moo |
| 14:04.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:04.40 | abrotman | and IAPF has returned! |
| 14:04.53 | th0ger_ | muh |
| 14:04.57 | SlackRat | sigh |
| 14:05.05 | streuner_ | !dmix |
| 14:05.05 | dpkg | methinks dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 14:05.23 | pavlix | streuner_: what do you mean |
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| 14:06.01 | streuner_ | asg: hehe, that would solve the problem then |
| 14:06.31 | asg | streuner_: yeah. The only time I really ever need it is to listen to voicemail at work so standard OSS works just fine. |
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| 14:07.22 | blondie | asg: music! |
| 14:07.25 | abrotman | asg: you listen to those ? |
| 14:07.43 | pavlix | streuner_: i still don't know... how to cope with it... |
| 14:07.51 | asg | blondie: I don't listen to that much anymore |
| 14:07.55 | blondie | aww |
| 14:07.56 | asg | abrotman: now and again. |
| 14:08.02 | pavlix | I'd like to use sound in kde as usual |
| 14:08.05 | asg | blondie: I make my own :) |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | asg: that's what happens when you get a promotion! |
| 14:08.13 | blondie | asg: don't you listen to it? :o |
| 14:08.15 | pavlix | and... at the same time use som commandline stuff |
| 14:08.25 | streuner_ | pavlix: so i asked you, isnt ALSA enough |
| 14:08.44 | asg | abrotman: I didn't get a promotion, I agreed to be the manager in an interim capacity until they found someone else. |
| 14:08.50 | streuner_ | pavlix: so listen what abrotman told you |
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| 14:09.15 | abrotman | asg: for the next 10 years? :) |
| 14:09.16 | streuner_ | pavlix: or just get a emu10k1 soundcd |
| 14:09.26 | asg | abrotman: nope, can't do it for much longer :) |
| 14:09.27 | pavlix | ok.. so dmix |
| 14:09.44 | Money | i have gnomebaker, how do i make it so i'm allowed to burn cd's, because to burn, i need root priveleges,? |
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| 14:10.00 | cahoot | pavlix: in later alsa version it's enabled by default |
| 14:10.05 | abrotman | did you install cdrecord suid ? |
| 14:10.12 | th0ger_ | abrotman: Whew! cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp went crazy! Losts of beeps, but the xterm chrashed so i couldnt stop it :) |
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| 14:10.44 | pavlix | cahoot: I'm on debian unstable ;-) |
| 14:10.47 | abrotman | th0ger_: sorry |
| 14:10.52 | Money | how do i run gnomebaker as root, or give me privleges so i don't need to have root privelegs to run the program |
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| 14:11.10 | asg | Money: sudo ; /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 14:11.53 | wols | Money: what you do is set the proper device nodes writable by a "cd burning" group |
| 14:11.58 | wols | then add yourself to that group |
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| 14:12.04 | Money | asg: no, i need to give myself privleges to burn cd's forever |
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| 14:12.21 | Money | wols: ok, so i would do "adduser avont cdburning"? |
| 14:12.26 | asg | Money: and both of those do that |
| 14:12.37 | wols | Money: no. adduser makes a NEW user |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | doesn't cdrecord ask you the suid question ? |
| 14:13.05 | wols | oops. adduser can do that too. ok then |
| 14:13.08 | Money | wols: so how do i addmyself to the cd burning group? |
| 14:13.13 | Money | wols: ok |
| 14:13.34 | wols | yes, similar to what you do with audio |
| 14:13.45 | pavlix | abrotman, streuner_, cahoot.... thanks, works great ;-) just disabled sound system in KDE :-) |
| 14:14.01 | Money | wols: whats the name of the group? its not cdburning, or cd burning |
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| 14:14.36 | pavlix | hmm, not sure now |
| 14:14.41 | wols | Money: first find out the /dev node for your cd writer |
| 14:14.45 | abrotman | Money: who owns the device ? |
| 14:14.50 | wols | and: you can make that group. create it |
| 14:14.53 | Money | abrotman, root owns it |
| 14:15.04 | asg | Money: which group owns it? |
| 14:15.19 | Money | well hold on first thing first, how do i run the program as root |
| 14:15.25 | abrotman | no .. |
| 14:15.26 | Money | by not logining in as root |
| 14:15.28 | abrotman | what group owns it |
| 14:15.33 | wols | probably disk as all /dev/hdX |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | wols: for me it's not disk |
| 14:16.04 | wols | abrotman: for me it is. does debian have a /dev/cdwriter by default? |
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| 14:16.30 | abrotman | wols: not that i'm aware of .. mine is actually a dvd/cdrw .. so maybe that makes a difference |
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| 14:17.16 | wols | abrotman: all I ever saw is a "cdrom" which is a symlink |
| 14:17.19 | aeronadix | I need to hack hotmail, can anyone help me/ |
| 14:17.27 | wols | tbh I rarely loooked hard, I just enter /dev/hdd |
| 14:17.37 | wols | abrotman: you're a funny guy |
| 14:17.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:17.42 | asg | aeronadix: Microsoft tech support |
| 14:17.44 | abrotman | wols: i am ? |
| 14:17.48 | wols | well you too abrotman. but aeronadix is funnier |
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| 14:17.55 | abrotman | wols: cakebutt! |
| 14:18.01 | Money | abrotman: how do i run the program as root first? to make sure i can burn the cd |
| 14:18.08 | asg | abrotman: umbrellahead! |
| 14:18.09 | abrotman | aeronadix: wrong channel .. |
| 14:18.17 | asg | Money: sudo ; /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 14:18.17 | abrotman | !sux |
| 14:18.18 | wols | I heard bill gates can do it. but only from his command executive machine at his office desk |
| 14:18.18 | dpkg | sux is probably su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 14:18.41 | aeronadix | please please, its important |
| 14:18.49 | abrotman | aeronadix: WRONG CHANNEL |
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| 14:18.56 | asg | aeronadix: not to us. Try efnet |
| 14:19.04 | josephc | Guys please. help...i have delete some of unused startup program from session ..but why it still loaded eg: evolution ... http://pastebin.com/634190 |
| 14:19.06 | abrotman | oh .. maybe ##bookmark will help ? |
| 14:19.09 | Money | asg: stop, im on debian not sudo |
| 14:19.19 | abrotman | !sudo |
| 14:19.19 | dpkg | sudo is, like, (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 14:19.34 | asg | Money: moron, sudo is a neat little program that is used to give non-root people rootly rights in a controlled manner. |
| 14:19.52 | abrotman | Money: use sux |
| 14:19.55 | asg | Money: if sudo is too complicated, type '/msg dpkg run stuff as root' in your irc client |
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| 14:19.58 | josephc | i want to disable metacity as well |
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| 14:20.24 | streuner_ | josephc: why? |
| 14:20.28 | abrotman | josephc: when you logout .. save your session |
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| 14:20.40 | abrotman | josephc: and if you disable metacity . what will you use? |
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| 14:20.52 | abrotman | aeronadix: deadcat_ will help you |
| 14:20.57 | asg | haha |
| 14:21.15 | aeronadix | deadcat, hi |
| 14:21.23 | aeronadix | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:21.31 | Money | asg: so if i go into the terminal, make myself root by "su" then open gnomebaker , i can burn the cd?? |
| 14:21.41 | aeronadix | deadcat_, hi |
| 14:21.42 | abrotman | no |
| 14:21.48 | abrotman | Money: use sux .. i told you |
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| 14:22.18 | Money | abrotman: how? |
| 14:22.22 | wols | Money: listen to abrotman. there's a sage truth under his childish antics |
| 14:22.24 | aeronadix | abrotman, where is deadcat_ ? |
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| 14:22.35 | resiak | aeronadix: |
| 14:22.37 | resiak | erm |
| 14:22.39 | wols | aeronadix: if you find out, you win a prize |
| 14:22.40 | abrotman | aeronadix: maybe he's getting coffee |
| 14:22.46 | aeronadix | resiak, hi |
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| 14:23.04 | josephc | abrotman/asg: even zombie is loaded in linux ..how scary ..i though it was only on movie http://pastebin.com/634190 |
| 14:23.07 | aeronadix | I wrote some stupid love letters and she forwarding them |
| 14:23.07 | abrotman | Money: SUX SUX SUX! |
| 14:23.25 | schmirgo | does anyone have a working wlan at home and hidden ssid? i can only connect to the AP if the ssid is not hidden. how can i be able to connect to the AP and leave the ssid hidden? |
| 14:23.26 | aeronadix | I got hustled good, I told her she is the one, please help me |
| 14:23.30 | Gnea | !sux |
| 14:23.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 14:23.58 | asg | schmirgo: hidding the ssid doesn't provide any meaningful security anyway. Just broadcast it. |
| 14:24.01 | josephc | abrotman/asg: i think have set chattr +i .gnome2/session/ etc |
| 14:24.06 | Money | abrotman: how do i use sux? how do i run it? |
| 14:24.08 | abrotman | you think? |
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| 14:24.13 | abrotman | Money: man sux |
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| 14:24.26 | Gnea | Money: there's a URL there, READ IT |
| 14:24.32 | Gnea | !tell Money about sux |
| 14:24.36 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 14:24.36 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 14:24.39 | josephc | what do you propose I do please? |
| 14:24.43 | Money | abrotman: no manual entry for sux |
| 14:24.48 | resiak | !installit |
| 14:24.49 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 14:24.51 | schmirgo | asg, i just thought its not that obvious so that people dont even start scanning here ^^ |
| 14:24.55 | asg | josephc: chattr -i foo |
| 14:25.04 | avalente | hi. Is there any script to send email alerts when an "apt-get update" returns packages that need to be updated? I've tried to send directly the output with >> but it doesn't seem to work. Anything already done? |
| 14:25.10 | pavlix | ;-) |
| 14:25.27 | asg | avalente: cron-apt |
| 14:25.36 | avalente | thanks |
| 14:25.39 | abrotman | but don't let cron-apt install |
| 14:25.51 | josephc | do you think my system is heavily loaded..with only 256 ram and celeron 1,8 ghz ? |
| 14:25.56 | avalente | ok thanks for the advice ;) |
| 14:25.57 | asg | schmirgo: people that are seriously scanning will be able to get it just by catching any packets anyway. |
| 14:25.58 | schmirgo | asg, is there any option maybe to disable scanning for a suitable AP? im using wireless-tools and it tells me "cant find ssid" when i start eth1 |
| 14:26.25 | asg | schmirgo: if you know the essid, just hand code it in your /etc/network/interfaces as instructed in wireless(7) |
| 14:26.36 | josephc | anyone? |
| 14:26.48 | wols | !anyone |
| 14:26.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 14:26.53 | schmirgo | asg, i did... but it just doesnt "want to" ;) |
| 14:27.01 | josephc | ok. do you think my system is heavily loaded..with only 256 ram and celeron 1,8 ghz ? |
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| 14:27.19 | abrotman | !bagel me |
| 14:27.34 | asg | schmirgo: hmmm odd. You can also use the APs MAC using iwconfig and wireless(7) that might work. |
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| 14:27.36 | schmirgo | asg, anyway i think i'll just leave it unhidden |
| 14:27.54 | josephc | abrotman: which one of these are safely to be removed ? |
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| 14:28.09 | schmirgo | asg, hmm, might try that one with the mac address ... thanks ^^ |
| 14:28.15 | abrotman | asg: onion with lox please! |
| 14:28.28 | asg | abrotman: if you wish |
| 14:28.31 | asg | schmirgo: you're welcome |
| 14:28.32 | abrotman | josephc: which one of what? |
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| 14:29.00 | abrotman | deadcat: why wou't you help aeronadix |
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| 14:29.23 | josephc | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/634190 |
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| 14:29.48 | asg | josephc: that's barely ticking |
| 14:29.49 | aeronadix | yeah, its some serious shame. these chicks always make a sucker of me. And I am always falling on love. Even now after knowing I got hustled. I dunno whats wrong with me, I thought I learned my lesson the last time |
| 14:29.51 | abrotman | josephc: ok .. what's the problem ? |
| 14:29.58 | pavlix | hmm, that's bad, i still can't reasonably run alsa in kde and use other sound programs |
| 14:30.14 | asg | aeronadix: try the new Google Romance (beta) |
| 14:30.20 | resiak | if you make it use alsa and dmix you might be able to? |
| 14:30.41 | wols | pavlix: step one: terminate and burn artsd with extreme prejudice |
| 14:31.01 | aeronadix | asg: I don't need help with the ladies right now, I need to hack her account and delete those stupid love poems |
| 14:31.03 | pavlix | wols tried killall artsd |
| 14:31.06 | Money | wols: how do i addmyself to the cvd burning group? what is the name of my cd burning group |
| 14:31.11 | SlackRat | best advice i heard all day, wols |
| 14:31.25 | asg | aeronadix: sorry, can't help you there. If you don't shut up about it, though, we will be forced to kick you. |
| 14:31.25 | abrotman | Money: we asked you before .. who owns the cdrw device in /dev/ ? |
| 14:31.26 | josephc | abrotman, what is metacity ? |
| 14:31.34 | wols | Money: the one you make |
| 14:31.36 | abrotman | josephc: a window manager |
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| 14:31.43 | aeronadix | I told her "I know she isn't the one cause we are too alike" then she wrote back "we're not alike, I just wanna be friends" and I took the bate |
| 14:31.52 | aeronadix | asg: ok |
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| 14:32.09 | Money | abrotman:...........um, i gues rooty |
| 14:32.20 | wols | isn't there a law against tragic lovestories in #debian? |
| 14:32.21 | abrotman | Money: ls -l |
| 14:32.32 | wols | if not I immediately propose it as an amendment |
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| 14:32.45 | abrotman | wols: it's better than some of the other OT stuff :) |
| 14:33.02 | josephc | abrotman, cool |
| 14:33.05 | Money | abrotman: paste it? |
| 14:33.05 | wols | but think of the amounts of kleenex I will need! I'll go broke |
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| 14:33.21 | wols | laughing at them at least doesn't make me broke |
| 14:33.22 | aeronadix | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:33.25 | asg | abrotman: he doesn't have many lives left |
| 14:33.29 | aeronadix | abrotman, so he know how for sure? |
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| 14:33.51 | amee2k | i put screen in my .bashrc but now midnight commander spawns masses of screen sessions. how can i text in .bashrc wether the session was started by mc or not? |
| 14:34.10 | abrotman | aeronadix: either that .. or he'll mercilessly degrade you in front of all of us |
| 14:34.10 | pavlix | wols... hmm, is it possible I can't play two things at the same time using alsa? |
| 14:34.26 | wols | pavlix: someone told you about dmixer |
| 14:34.37 | asg | abrotman: the latter has already happened |
| 14:34.41 | wols | by default, alsa has no software mixer, so: yes. but there are ways |
| 14:34.49 | abrotman | asg: but not with a special deadcat_ touch |
| 14:34.50 | wols | easiest is a emu10k1 soundcard I guess |
| 14:34.53 | Money | abrotman: did you want me to paste the results? |
| 14:34.56 | abrotman | sure |
| 14:35.06 | resiak | Isn't hacking hot males a bit raunchy? |
| 14:35.06 | asg | abrotman: didn't know he had a special touch |
| 14:35.09 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:35.10 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:35.20 | asg | resiak: snuff flicky |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | asg: he's a talking deadcat_ .. he must be special somehow |
| 14:35.35 | asg | abrotman: but his tail is down so he's ill |
| 14:35.51 | pavlix | wols... and someone told me it's included with modern alsa versions |
| 14:35.52 | abrotman | asg: or he's sorry for something |
| 14:36.06 | Money | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/634215 |
| 14:36.13 | wols | pavlix: could be. you still need to start and configure it. have you? |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | Money: maybe you should try that in /dev/ |
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| 14:37.41 | abrotman | aw crap .. he left |
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| 14:38.19 | pavlix | wols... I thought that meant its working when alsa is working |
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| 14:38.33 | pavlix | /msg dpkg dmixer |
| 14:38.36 | Money | abrotman: |
| 14:38.42 | pavlix | doesn't work :-( |
| 14:38.48 | pavlix | !dmixer |
| 14:39.15 | abrotman | Money: |
| 14:39.48 | wols | !tell pavlix about dmix |
| 14:39.57 | Money | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/634220 |
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| 14:40.22 | d4t2ilL4 | how can i check how much free memory i have currently ? |
| 14:40.27 | pavlix | thanks wols ;-) |
| 14:40.45 | abrotman | d4t2ilL4: free |
| 14:41.01 | d4t2ilL4 | and how can i check the current swap size ? |
| 14:41.07 | wols | d4t2ilL4: free |
| 14:41.10 | abrotman | Money: add yourself to the cdrom group |
| 14:41.14 | abrotman | d4t2ilL4: free |
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| 14:41.21 | d4t2ilL4 | thanks :) |
| 14:41.23 | d4t2ilL4 | just ofund out |
| 14:41.36 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 14:41.36 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 14:42.24 | Money | abrotman: ok, i did it, let me try and burn a cd now |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | Money: you'll have to logout./login |
| 14:43.29 | Money | damn |
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| 14:45.56 | sambrista | hello! I installed fluxbox via ftp but when i select it in gdm, the only thing i see is a dark background and the mouse, I have no panels and when i click with the mouse right button no menu appears. Can anyone help me? Do i need to install something? |
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| 14:46.18 | abrotman | sambrista: you mean you did an `apt-get install fluxbox` ? |
| 14:46.28 | sambrista | abrotman: yes |
| 14:46.33 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 14:46.47 | sambrista | abrotman: sorry, i wanted to type apt |
| 14:47.04 | pavlix | and.. tell me, please, what does /dev/dsp mean |
| 14:47.21 | wols | !dsp |
| 14:47.21 | dpkg | [dsp] (Digital Signal Processor) A DSP is a microprocessor designed to work with analog signals such as video or audio that have been digitally encoded. The DSP then takes these digital representations and performs operations on them. DSPs are used in video, sound, and modem technology. Intel's MMX instruction set is basically an attempt to make the Pentium processor line capable of DSP operations. This follows Intel's theory of putting all the ... |
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| 14:47.44 | sambrista | any ideas? |
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| 14:48.24 | pavlix | but... i mean /dev/dsp itself... |
| 14:48.35 | wols | it's the interface to a dsp |
| 14:48.44 | wols | back in the day when soundcards actually were dsps |
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| 14:48.56 | Gnea | sambrista: how did you start fluxbox? |
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| 14:49.11 | pavlix | wols... i can play two songs with alsa... but e.g. playsound... cannot |
| 14:49.13 | wols | for you: /dev/dsp is for OSS only. unless you load the compatibility plugin for alsa |
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| 14:49.38 | sambrista | Gnea: i selected it in gdm |
| 14:50.11 | pavlix | and... alsa is not used through a device file? |
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| 14:53.14 | Servo888 | Quick question; if there is no include directory in your X11R6 folder, what do you need to apt-get to get those?... |
| 14:53.21 | Servo888 | All I can find is xorg-common... |
| 14:53.23 | Servo888 | Which is installe |
| 14:53.24 | Servo888 | d |
| 14:53.38 | sambrista | maybe xserver-xorg? |
| 14:54.00 | Servo888 | sambrista, already have that as well |
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| 14:54.58 | blondie | hate |
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| 14:55.14 | wols | Servo888: the -dev package |
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| 14:56.16 | wols | Servo888: get xlibs-dev |
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| 14:56.48 | Servo888 | wols, ok |
| 14:57.01 | Money | ok, that toshiba wasn't my cd-rw drive, it was my cd-rom drive, my computer isn't detecting my cd-rw driver :( its plugged up and everythin |
| 14:57.46 | wols | pavlix: it does. e.g. /dev/sndstat |
| 14:58.03 | wols | pavlix: as usual, alsa uses "snd" in its names somewhere always |
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| 14:58.45 | cahoot | pavlix: ratehr /dev/snd/* |
| 14:58.49 | pavlix | wols... it seems KDE likes arts.. and doesn't like dmix ;-) |
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| 14:59.10 | shay | omg! |
| 14:59.14 | cahoot | pavlix: disable it - if dmix works you hardly need it |
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| 14:59.18 | shay | Debian GNU/Solaris is out! |
| 14:59.26 | power1 | Hey all, I accidentally deleted my apache httpd.conf file.....how do i get apt to re-install everything like it did the first time i ran apt-get install apache2? |
| 14:59.26 | pavlix | hmm... |
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| 14:59.33 | asg | power1: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:59.57 | pavlix | cahoot: but how do I use applications, then |
| 14:59.58 | wols | pavlix: yes. doesn't make artsd one jota better. all it does is giving me scorn for the kde idiots :P |
| 15:00.06 | pavlix | Kopete doesn't work now |
| 15:00.06 | Money | someone please help, my cd-rw drive isn't being recognized |
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| 15:01.17 | pavlix | and... thinks like playsound... |
| 15:01.18 | wols | power1: tried dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 15:01.41 | power1 | wols, no.....thanks |
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| 15:01.50 | pavlix | cahoot: playsound still works only if there'se nothing playing at the same time.... |
| 15:02.09 | pavlix | I turned off kde sound system... |
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| 15:02.19 | pavlix | and I don't have sound in kde apps |
| 15:02.20 | power1 | asg, what did u try and send me, as nothing came up. |
| 15:02.21 | pavlix | hmm |
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| 15:02.48 | asg | power1: I asked you to type '/msg dpkg confmiss' in your irc client to get our bot to give you a factoid that will help with your problem |
| 15:03.01 | roxy_ | when I use skype, I can make one call. When I try a second call I got an error message, device or resource busy . |
| 15:03.17 | power1 | asg thanks |
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| 15:03.55 | cahoot | pavlix: op en two terms - start aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav in each - just to test if dmix really is at work |
| 15:04.16 | pavlix | cahoot: already tested with alsaplayer |
| 15:04.31 | st0ner | amaroK is broken in sid, is it possible to install the testing version instead on a unstable system ?? |
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| 15:07.00 | cahoot | pavlix: if you run kopete from a term - do you get any error msg? |
| 15:07.18 | hytll | i'm having some problems with make-kpkg. I copy out my .config, run make mrproper, copy my .config back into /usr/src/linux, and run make-kpkg kernel_image. I then get an error that floppy.o can't be found. Any suggestions? |
| 15:07.35 | power1 | asg, ive tried that command but it still does not replace that file... |
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| 15:07.48 | TummyAcid | heya all ive got a system im trying to put to use. trouble is i can ssh into it fine but it is unable to send data outside the local network. the tcp stack is exactly the same as the other machines ont he network that can access the internet |
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| 15:08.03 | asg | power1: make sure you do that with the apache-common package, not just the apache package. |
| 15:08.14 | power1 | asg, I want to re-install as if from scratch..the last time i did that I got a helper console windows asking me questions about apache |
| 15:08.21 | SlackRat | is this whole nexenta thing really gonna work out? |
| 15:08.26 | power1 | asg, ok will try |
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| 15:09.08 | TummyAcid | its like none of the data comes back after it leaves the router, but only if its from that one machine |
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| 15:09.52 | power1 | asg, thanks a lot..your the man! |
| 15:09.55 | pavlix | cahoot: first time: crash... but I think it's for a different reason |
| 15:09.55 | TummyAcid | int he dhcp.leases file its dhcp entry looks different from the others |
| 15:10.18 | TummyAcid | btw the router is a wrt54g with white russian firmware |
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| 15:10.27 | Money | HELP MY CD_RW DRIVE ISN"T BEING DETECTED< IT WAS WORKING ON WINDOWS THOUGH!! |
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| 15:10.32 | asg | power1: you're welcome |
| 15:10.49 | shay | omg! ponies! |
| 15:10.51 | Money | HELP ME PLEASE |
| 15:11.19 | SlackRat | try locate cdrom |
| 15:11.23 | Money | its an iomega cd-rw drive |
| 15:11.26 | daft | Money 1) stop those caps 2) what did you do 3) what do you expect what it sould do |
| 15:11.27 | power1 | asg, could you help me with something...I want my default apache2 document root to be " /var/www/apache2-default/squirrelmail/src/ " so that when someone hits the server ip squirrelmail login page comes up as default.....whats the easiest way to accomplish this? |
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| 15:11.32 | SlackRat | usb iomega? |
| 15:11.41 | power1 | could you help me with something...I want my default apache2 document root to be " /var/www/apache2-default/squirrelmail/src/ " so that when someone hits the server ip squirrelmail login page comes up as default.....whats the easiest way to accomplish this? |
| 15:12.13 | Money | daft: when i was on windows it worked fine, but i switched to linux and now its not even being detected |
| 15:12.16 | Money | its an iomega cd-rw |
| 15:12.28 | asg | power1: edit the DocumentRoot bit in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default (and comment out the Rewrite line also) (That should do it) |
| 15:12.32 | SlackRat | usb or not? |
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| 15:12.36 | jvw | power1: you probably want a rewriterule instead |
| 15:12.45 | jvw | power1: otherwise links and such totally fail |
| 15:12.47 | josephc | ok heres a question, can I tie screen into my login process/shell so that when I ssh into my box the term starts in screen rather than me having to type it first |
| 15:13.13 | power1 | asg, jvw thanks |
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| 15:13.35 | hytll | josephc: you could probably do that with a little script in .bashrc |
| 15:13.46 | Money | daft: this is it right here, http://www.iomega.com/direct/products/detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=14148897&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=26891281&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=63191&bmUID=1143904377192 |
| 15:13.51 | power1 | jvw, ok, so how would you do it then...virtual server? |
| 15:13.57 | asg | josephc: you might try using it and the login option as your default shell |
| 15:14.10 | asg | josephc: I haven't myself so I don't know for sure. |
| 15:14.11 | daft | usb thank you |
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| 15:14.46 | josephc | ok asg |
| 15:14.50 | josephc | ty guys |
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| 15:16.20 | daft | well i have no clew about that but if you ask SlackRat friendly he might help you becose he asked 2 times if it had usb |
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| 15:16.51 | SlackRat | daft ;) |
| 15:17.11 | Money | Slackraft: please hhelp me :( |
| 15:17.49 | SlackRat | is it usb , or isnt it? |
| 15:18.01 | TummyAcid | what might stop my machine from surfing the net outside of 192.168.1.1/24? I've checked iptables -L and route -n |
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| 15:18.20 | hytll | i fixed my problem. I had to run make-kpkg as root, not under sudo. |
| 15:18.37 | Money | Slackrat: yes it is usb |
| 15:18.41 | jvw | power1: no, a rewrite rule, like the one you can already find by default redirecting to apache2-default |
| 15:18.48 | SlackRat | youre using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:18.50 | Money | Slackrat: http://www.iomega.com/direct/products/detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=14148897&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=26891281&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=63191&bmUID=1143904377192 |
| 15:19.09 | asg | TummyAcid: when you try to ping a machine outside of that subnet, what error is returned? |
| 15:19.12 | jvw | power1: ## RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ |
| 15:19.17 | TummyAcid | yes ive got 2.4 |
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| 15:19.23 | SlackRat | already have an iomega , thanks for the link tho.... :P |
| 15:19.34 | SlackRat | via chipset on the motherboard? |
| 15:19.46 | goron | Anyone got a clue of how I can print slides with ooimpress? I already selected "handout", etc. But I get huge pages. I.e. one slide/a4. It seems the system is broken. I tried printing to a file, but that shows clearly there is a bug. |
| 15:19.52 | TummyAcid | the DNS server is located on the network, so it sucessfully resolves |
| 15:19.54 | Money | Slackrat: what do you mean? its a cd-rw drive |
| 15:19.57 | asg | goron: try #debian-oo |
| 15:20.02 | TummyAcid | but then when it pings the ip nothing comes back, i get a timeout |
| 15:20.22 | SlackRat | is your mobo a via chipset? there are often problems with 2.4 kernels + usb + via chipsets |
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| 15:20.59 | SlackRat | you may want to look for the usb connected cdrom drive under usbview.....your machine reads it as a usb device (hopefully) |
| 15:21.01 | power1 | jvw, thanks a mill |
| 15:21.54 | Money | Slackrat: i don't know about the mobo thing, but what is the usbview? how do i do that |
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| 15:22.01 | TummyAcid | this is very strange i used to use this machine as my firewall but ive upgraded and now im trying to turn it into a living room pc |
| 15:22.22 | nicolas_1 | i just discovered ssh proxying, thats really, this will keep me from getting fired ;P |
| 15:22.23 | asg | TummyAcid: check that iptables -t nat -L doesn't list some rules also. |
| 15:22.28 | goron | asg: It's not a real bug. |
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| 15:22.39 | SlackRat | you on kde? see if utilitites or system has usbview.... |
| 15:22.39 | goron | asg: It's just extremely user unfriendly. |
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| 15:22.55 | TummyAcid | no rules all default ACCEPT |
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| 15:22.59 | asg | goron: yes, that's why #debian-oo exists (to support and deal with complaints about OO on Debian) |
| 15:23.03 | SlackRat | www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0309.1/1131.html - 9k - |
| 15:23.18 | Money | Slackrat: im on debian, with gnome DE |
| 15:23.22 | goron | asg: Well, I solved it myself. Nobody responded. |
| 15:23.24 | SlackRat | if you have a via chipset, check the link.....one of many links |
| 15:23.31 | asg | goron: cool |
| 15:23.32 | goron | asg: Thanks for the channel, though. |
| 15:23.37 | asg | goron: you're welcome |
| 15:23.37 | Howitzer | What (meta-)packages does Debian install when you select 'desk-top' system (together with base-system) at the netinstall? |
| 15:23.45 | peto | hello how can I get list of installed packages? |
| 15:23.53 | SlackRat | gmone, im not sure what usb tools they have....go to a command line and use 'locate cdrom' |
| 15:23.59 | asg | peto: dpkg -l | egrep ^[hi]i |
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| 15:24.28 | SlackRat | er gnome, not gmone.... |
| 15:24.30 | power1 | jvw, thanks works like a dream....... Pity there isnt an equivalent file for gentoo, ive been wanting to do this on the office server for months........any ideas how this is down on gentoo? |
| 15:25.23 | Money | Slackrat: did yo want me to paste the contents? |
| 15:25.35 | TummyAcid | also in the dhcp.leases log of the router the line for the machine is different from the others, instead of a hostname and some 7 byte address it has two * |
| 15:25.36 | SlackRat | ok |
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| 15:25.46 | hytll | power1: what's your gentoo question exactly? |
| 15:25.51 | peto | asg:thanks |
| 15:25.55 | asg | peto: you're welcome |
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| 15:26.28 | Money | Slackrat: http://pastebin.com/634267 |
| 15:26.42 | SlackRat | also start googling 2.4 kernel, usb drives and via chipsets....youll be amazed.....heh |
| 15:26.55 | Money | slackrat, please start included my name in your sentences, that way it will be red, and i can locate your sentence easier |
| 15:27.06 | Money | Slackrat: i am using 2.6 kernel |
| 15:27.33 | frobnitz | foomatic-gui problem: If I have foomatic-db-gutenprint installed, foomatic-gui says: |
| 15:27.36 | frobnitz | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x081589a8 *** |
| 15:27.38 | frobnitz | Unable to read printer database. |
| 15:27.47 | power1 | hytll, I edited the DocumentRoot bit in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default so that " RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ " points to my squirrelmail directory by default........ I would like to accomplish the same thing on a gentoo box with apache2 installed. |
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| 15:28.07 | frobnitz | If I remove foomatic-db-gutenprint, it works. Any ideas? |
| 15:28.42 | Howitzer | Hmm, can i burn my /var/cache/apt/archive to the netinstall cd? |
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| 15:29.04 | Howitzer | and add the pools to the sources.list and make a metapackage for it? |
| 15:29.07 | hytll | power1: dunno, sorry |
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| 15:29.27 | power1 | Any of you postfix/mail guys in here know of a easy way to create the "Maildir" for each user and have the subdirectory styructures created at the same time,,,instead of manually doing this for each user? |
| 15:29.30 | SlackRat | money, how many cd drives on the computer? |
| 15:29.39 | Howitzer | or should i just burn them on the disc as an additional folder and just do a 'dpkg -i *.deb'? |
| 15:29.54 | power1 | hytll, thanks anyway.......Ill go and asg in #gentoo but im sure ill get no response as per usual... |
| 15:30.31 | Money | 2, the cd burner( iomega) and a toshiba, which s a cd-rom drive |
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| 15:31.49 | SlackRat | had lots of problems with distros and the 2.4 and usb iomega....but not with 2.6 .....see if the usb cdrom is findable with your hardware detection apps, tho im not familiar with gnome that much |
| 15:32.33 | SlackRat | check the dmesg,,,,,see what hardware is activated during boot up..... |
| 15:32.42 | [iago] | the dude who helped me isn't around, but i wanted to thank everyone on this channel for helping me get software raid working on my server yesterday, this place is a great resource. |
| 15:32.46 | SlackRat | dmesg | more |
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| 15:32.56 | twobitsprite | how does one find out the registered owner of a domain name? I know it's in the DNS tables, but dig doesn't show it... |
| 15:33.03 | asg | twobitsprite: whois |
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| 15:33.07 | [iago] | twobitsprite: whois <domainname> |
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| 15:33.32 | Money | slackrat: i don't think i have any hardware detection apps |
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| 15:33.59 | twobitsprite | thanks |
| 15:34.22 | SlackRat | Money, look under administrator and preferences in gnome....you have to look around your system before someone can help you add the usb cdrom |
| 15:34.55 | SlackRat | i d suggest apt-getting usbview, but i use kde so i dont know how helpful it would be in gnome |
| 15:35.03 | SlackRat | should work tho |
| 15:35.18 | Money | slackrat: http://pastebin.com/634281 |
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| 15:36.04 | Edgardoweb | what sooo |
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| 15:36.53 | SlackRat | money, all that listed were your eth0 connections.......... |
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| 15:37.49 | Money | slackrat, im in usbview now |
| 15:37.51 | Money | now what |
| 15:37.59 | SlackRat | what do you see in usbview |
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| 15:38.08 | Money | just on thing on the left |
| 15:38.12 | SlackRat | any cddrives under uhci or ehci |
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| 15:38.30 | Money | no |
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| 15:38.33 | Money | i'll paste it |
| 15:38.33 | Money | hang on |
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| 15:39.00 | jmp_me | SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, how do I mount that? |
| 15:39.14 | phoohb | Hello Debian folks! Why are there no LAME.deb??? |
| 15:39.23 | Money | damn, i can't copy out the usbviwe |
| 15:39.34 | jmp_me | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/80G won't do it |
| 15:39.35 | wols | !lame |
| 15:39.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 15:39.35 | asg | phoohb: /msg dpkg lame |
| 15:39.42 | TummyAcid | alright all i did was /etc/init.d/networking restart and back in buisness |
| 15:39.50 | SlackRat | does it show a cd drive, anything? its a small box, not too much to see |
| 15:39.59 | wols | the problem are mp3 patents which LAME violates |
| 15:40.13 | abrotman | patents or royalties? |
| 15:40.25 | wols | royalties on patents? |
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| 15:40.32 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 15:40.33 | wols | or the fact that someone would sue debian? |
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| 15:40.41 | Money | slackrat: no i don't see any |
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| 15:40.57 | DHX | hello |
| 15:40.59 | abrotman | yay!!!!! .. synfig finally hits etch! |
| 15:41.06 | DHX | ;) |
| 15:41.08 | Edgardoweb | hello |
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| 15:41.18 | DHX | do someone ever tried to compile maildrop with the mysql support ? |
| 15:41.19 | dvs | boooooo |
| 15:41.37 | cshaman | hello everyone. |
| 15:41.44 | DHX | actually it doens't work at home |
| 15:41.46 | DHX | .. |
| 15:41.46 | wols | !tell DHX about anyone |
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| 15:42.11 | asg | abrotman: you going to start 'Cakebutt and the masters of the Cheeseverse'? |
| 15:42.12 | DHX | what wols ? |
| 15:42.13 | SlackRat | money, does it showing up in your fstab? |
| 15:42.14 | cshaman | i've been itching to install quake2 on my debian box, but the "quake2" game engine isn't listed in Synaptic -- anyone have luck with installing this game? |
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| 15:42.39 | wols | who are the masters for the cheeseverse abrotman? are they for me or against me? |
| 15:42.43 | ogzy | hi i am trying to install powernowd but i got errors |
| 15:42.44 | DHX | did u compiled it wols ? |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | !U |
| 15:42.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:43.02 | abrotman | wols: are you mouse or not? |
| 15:43.02 | asg | ogzy: what debian version? what exact error? |
| 15:43.07 | wols | dpkg: learn to ask proper questions. and READ what dpkg says to you |
| 15:43.43 | ogzy | asg, http://ww.pastebin.com/634297 unstable kernel 2.6.16 |
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| 15:43.51 | lemmy | hi |
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| 15:43.59 | ircdevil | wols: only a couple of kilos ... |
| 15:44.02 | SlackRat | did someone mention cheese |
| 15:44.09 | asg | ogzy: check the bts |
| 15:44.10 | abrotman | lemmy .. cheese .. ? |
| 15:44.14 | SlackRat | ? |
| 15:44.15 | Money | slackrat |
| 15:44.19 | wols | abrotman: there you have your mouse |
| 15:44.23 | asg | abrotman: Motorhead and cheese? |
| 15:44.25 | ogzy | asg, what is bts |
| 15:44.30 | Money | slackrat: there is something named cdrom in fstab, but i think its the toshiba |
| 15:44.31 | asg | !btssmite ogzy |
| 15:44.42 | wols | asg: motörhead is good for any perversion |
| 15:44.46 | SlackRat | if theres only one, yeah, its probably that one..... |
| 15:44.56 | DHX | wols i found no one who has compiled it with the mysql support, it is the resaon of my question .. and next question would be how did u compiled it, with what parameters .. |
| 15:44.57 | DHX | ;) |
| 15:44.59 | asg | wols: o/~ we are the road crew o/~ |
| 15:45.40 | Money | ok, that toshiba wasn't my cd-rw drive, it was my cd-rom drive, my computer isn't detecting my cd-rw driver :( its plugged up and everythin\ |
| 15:45.44 | lemmy | today I've stumbled over the problem that an user isn't allowed to be in more than 32 groups on sarge 2.6.11. kernel.ngroups_max is set to 65536 though. |
| 15:45.46 | Money | oops, sorry |
| 15:46.00 | SlackRat | money, dunno at this point....good news is you can probably configure your iomega but i dont know enough about your system, or your setup....i suggest a bit of googling |
| 15:46.14 | abrotman | Money: look in dmesg |
| 15:46.22 | Money | slackrslackraT: im new at this, googling won't help |
| 15:46.27 | wols | Money: there is a howto for CD writing |
| 15:46.49 | SlackRat | ive even gotten in to go on the 2.4 but it was a pain in the ass...you may just have to add the right entry to your fstab for it to be recognized |
| 15:46.54 | Money | wols: i know hwo to burn cd's, my iomega cd-rw drive isn't being detected by linux |
| 15:46.57 | lemmy | but i'm hit by that problem only if i run id/groups/... as user. as root the output of id/groups/... shows all groups of that particular user. any hints? |
| 15:46.59 | SlackRat | googling always helps |
| 15:47.05 | SlackRat | thats how you become un-new |
| 15:47.18 | Money | slackrat, i don't even know what to google, googling won' help :( |
| 15:47.22 | cahoot | Money: http://howto-pages.org/ |
| 15:47.29 | wols | Money: not even in dmesg as abrotman asked? |
| 15:47.32 | SlackRat | usb iomega cddrive debian |
| 15:47.35 | SlackRat | for starters, |
| 15:47.40 | Money | dmesg doesn't saymuch |
| 15:47.45 | SlackRat | google is your friend |
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| 15:47.51 | [iago] | dmesg says plenty :) |
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| 15:48.15 | SlackRat | the dmesg you sent me only had your eth0 , you have to check the whole thing using return to scroll down if you use 'more' |
| 15:48.40 | Money | slackrat: so do that, and paste it? |
| 15:48.59 | SlackRat | read the whole dmesg....paste something if it mentions usb |
| 15:49.03 | TummyAcid | in my case, im trying out the ac97 module and dmesg doesnt report anything, think this means it worked? |
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| 15:49.27 | SlackRat | money, and dont forget to breathe....its not an emergency :) |
| 15:49.34 | asg | TummyAcid: /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 15:49.40 | TummyAcid | thanx |
| 15:49.45 | SlackRat | brb |
| 15:50.18 | pavlix | finally, kopete crashes on ICQ ;-) |
| 15:50.24 | pavlix | all the time :-) |
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| 15:50.34 | SlackRat | jwz.livejournal.com/439043.html |
| 15:50.34 | Money | slackrat: yes it is, i burn music cd's, everything was fine until i switched to linux |
| 15:51.11 | SlackRat | if you dont know, or want to know about your system, why did you switch to linux? |
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| 15:52.17 | SlackRat | especially debian, which will not configure much of anything you dont explicitly tell it to do..... |
| 15:52.35 | Money | because i do some c++ programming |
| 15:52.49 | cahoot | SlackRat: objection! debian configged all of my system |
| 15:52.54 | Money | i hear debian is best for programming |
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| 15:53.39 | SlackRat | define configged :) |
| 15:53.59 | cahoot | SlackRat: everything *just works* ;) |
| 15:54.05 | IquO | hi, one question, when recompile the 2.6.x kernel every time i make a change it recompiles all, but i remember that in other computer it just recompile the new things which was faster, is there an option to enable that?? any help? |
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| 15:54.13 | SlackRat | debian prolly has the same tools as any other linux for programming |
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| 15:54.32 | dfd | hey |
| 15:54.36 | wols | cahoot: rarely does for me. but that's the way I like it: unless I load that driver, it better not have it loaded automagically |
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| 15:54.43 | Money | well, im stuck with debian now anywya, i don't have a cd burner to burn another os |
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| 15:54.53 | SlackRat | i admit stuff just worked here too, but lots of default decisions are not made by the install process....for example your x org or xfree isnt set up without user imput |
| 15:55.05 | [iago] | Money: Debian is "cleaner" for programming, but some of the other linux's are definitely more friendly out of the box. with a little bit of elbow grease debian is the best distro ahnds down, you may want to give ubuntu a shot |
| 15:55.05 | SlackRat | unlike other more newb friendly distros |
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| 15:55.22 | SlackRat | arg, ubuntu.... :) |
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| 15:55.26 | Howitzer | 2 uestions, when i do an 'apt-get update' with the unstable repo's in my sources.list, will i have a SID system then? |
| 15:55.38 | asg | Howitzer: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:55.41 | SlackRat | actually mepis is more deb and user friendly imo.... |
| 15:55.54 | [iago] | SlackRat: hehehe, not going to get into a distro fight :) |
| 15:55.56 | SlackRat | mepis took every single deb pkg i threw at it, heh |
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| 15:56.13 | SlackRat | true iago |
| 15:56.33 | Howitzer | and the 2nd, if i issue the command 'apt-get update && halt', will my system automaticly shutdown after it has been updated? |
| 15:56.47 | Eulex | Howitzer, no, you'll need to perform a full or partial upgrade to unstable to have unstable |
| 15:56.54 | cshaman | what app can be used to decompress .zip files? |
| 15:56.56 | asg | Howitzer: apt-get update will not update your system, only your sources list |
| 15:57.07 | asg | cshaman: unzip |
| 15:57.11 | asg | cshaman: surprisingly enough |
| 15:57.14 | Howitzer | ehh yeah |
| 15:57.18 | cshaman | lol |
| 15:57.19 | Howitzer | damn |
| 15:57.21 | Howitzer | forgot that |
| 15:57.26 | cshaman | that's what i thought, apparently i don't have it installed. |
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| 15:57.29 | tsukihime | ahhg can anyone help, trying ot make sound come up, i already recompile the kernel, added in kernel the alsa thingie, made sure that my card is supported, downloaded alsa, ran alsaconf and still getting this error message/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 15:57.32 | asg | cshaman: apt-get install unzip |
| 15:57.35 | asg | !installit |
| 15:57.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 15:58.19 | asg | asg@rob:~$ apt-cache search . | wc -l && echo "That's a lot of jobbie" |
| 15:58.19 | asg | 18213 |
| 15:58.19 | asg | That's a lot of jobbie |
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| 15:59.22 | IquO | hi, one question, when recompile the 2.6.x kernel every time i make a change it recompiles all, but i remember that in other computer it just recompile the new things which was faster, is there an option to enable that?? any help? |
| 15:59.35 | abrotman | pabs! |
| 15:59.42 | asg | IquO: are you using make-kpkg to build a deb of the kernel? |
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| 16:00.00 | AciD | how come the drupal debian package is so outdated ? |
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| 16:00.01 | IquO | asg, no, just wrting "make" |
| 16:00.09 | abrotman | AciD: in sarge? |
| 16:00.18 | AciD | in sid |
| 16:00.19 | Mnabil | is the a .deb package for compiz ? |
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| 16:00.37 | abrotman | AciD: it's not ? |
| 16:00.41 | lemmy | my problem is limited to sarge only. etch handles more than 32 group/user |
| 16:00.41 | abrotman | !compiz |
| 16:00.41 | dpkg | it has been said that compiz is probably a combined window manager / composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. Currently, it is only working correctly if run on Xgl. |
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| 16:00.47 | cahoot | IquO: no make clean in between? |
| 16:00.48 | abrotman | !xgl |
| 16:00.48 | dpkg | well, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
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| 16:01.13 | abrotman | AciD: doesn't look that old to me |
| 16:01.23 | Eulex | AciD, it's not 4.5.8 is from march 14 2006 |
| 16:01.24 | IquO | cahoot, i don't maybe the makefile does, but don't know |
| 16:01.32 | IquO | cahoot, i don't, maybe the makefile does, but don't know |
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| 16:01.39 | blondie | why does installing apache (1.3) on etch install apache2-utils too? |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | hell .. even etch has 4.5.3 |
| 16:01.46 | AciD | abrotman > apt-cache showpkg drupal show 4.5.8-1, on drupal website the last stable is 4.6.6, with 4.7 rc |
| 16:01.51 | abrotman | no |
| 16:01.52 | ogzy | asg, ý didnt see a bug report for a fan problem related with 2.6.16 kernel |
| 16:01.53 | asg | blondie: they both share the tools in there |
| 16:02.05 | abrotman | AciD: 4.7 isn't a release |
| 16:02.10 | tsukihime | "/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found..., and already recompiled the kernel what can i do?? o.o" |
| 16:02.11 | asg | ogzy: then file one. |
| 16:02.27 | AciD | 4.5.3 from stable is full of bug, I fixed ~10 just this morning |
| 16:02.28 | ogzy | asg, ok but how will i solve my problem |
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| 16:02.39 | abrotman | AciD: ask the maintainer |
| 16:02.41 | abrotman | !maint drupal |
| 16:02.45 | Eulex | AciD, the latest stable may be 4.6.6 but 4.5.8 is just half a month old. that's not outdated. |
| 16:02.47 | asg | ogzy: did you compile your kernel yourself or is it the debian image? |
| 16:02.48 | dpkg | drupal: Hilko Bengen <bengen@debian.org> |
| 16:02.53 | abrotman | AciD: stop whining here .. file bugs .. hunt puppies .. drink beer! |
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| 16:03.00 | AciD | beer \o/ |
| 16:03.02 | asg | mmm beer |
| 16:03.03 | ogzy | asg, it is from debian reprository |
| 16:03.06 | Eulex | !beer |
| 16:03.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 16:03.11 | AciD | k Eulex |
| 16:03.17 | Mnabil | xgl is currently for ATi / nividia , what about intel ? |
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| 16:03.24 | tsukihime | "/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found..., and already recompiled the kernel what can i do?? o.o |
| 16:03.25 | abrotman | Mnabil: ask #xorg |
| 16:03.29 | asg | ogzy: then try an earlier kernel and see if that fixes things. Did you search for a bug on the powernowd package? |
| 16:03.44 | Money | so what do i do, all i want is to bur a damn cd, i can't believe this, you have to configure all thiss hit, i just want to burna damn cd :(:(:( |
| 16:03.50 | ogzy | asg, ý didnt |
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| 16:04.04 | asg | ogzy: try that also since it is the package having issues. |
| 16:04.19 | dmesg | hi every body, does debian run oracle? |
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| 16:04.27 | abrotman | Money: were you avont_ the other day? |
| 16:04.42 | abrotman | dmesg: yes it can |
| 16:04.42 | slept | I installed 2.6.15 kernel from backports, when i boot i tells me that /dev/hda4 does not exist, what can I do ? |
| 16:04.43 | asg | dmesg: it can. google for 'Oracle on Debian' |
| 16:05.04 | dmesg | abrotman is just apt-get install oracle_ |
| 16:05.07 | abrotman | no |
| 16:05.10 | asg | hehe |
| 16:05.16 | dmesg | :O |
| 16:05.39 | dmesg | ok |
| 16:05.44 | asg | B>N|K |
| 16:05.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:06.05 | dmesg | B>N|K ? |
| 16:06.06 | asg | argl, watery eyes |
| 16:06.12 | asg | dmesg: Beer > Nose | Keyboard |
| 16:06.14 | abrotman | AciD: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=307821 |
| 16:06.22 | tsukihime | how can i check what errors i got when the kernel was booting?? |
| 16:06.38 | dmesg | :O |
| 16:06.38 | asg | tsukihime: dmesg and /var/log/boot.log (if you run etch or sid) |
| 16:06.39 | IquO | tsukihime : dmesg ? |
| 16:06.53 | dmesg | ok |
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| 16:07.34 | AciD | abrotman > yeah |
| 16:07.35 | |lostbyte| | i am looking for clear fonts ? |
| 16:07.40 | |lostbyte| | which package is it in ? |
| 16:07.45 | dmesg | any one has install oracle in debian before? |
| 16:08.00 | asg | dmesg: abrotman has |
| 16:08.04 | abrotman | dmesg: google "oracle on debian" |
| 16:08.12 | abrotman | asg: no .. i needed to change the pre/post scripts |
| 16:08.22 | dmesg | ok |
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| 16:08.31 | asg | abrotman: you've installed it even though your package isn't properly set up |
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| 16:08.44 | abrotman | asg: oracle 9i on woody .. yes |
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| 16:10.03 | tsukihime | "CS4281: probe of 0000:02:0c.0 failed with error -5" anyboddy knows how to fix thiis?? |
| 16:10.09 | asg | abrotman: it's sad, we are the only regulars left listed on debstats |
| 16:10.15 | abrotman | asg: we are? |
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| 16:10.25 | abrotman | asg: but the month just flipped |
| 16:10.34 | abrotman | asg: and wols is kind of regular |
| 16:10.36 | asg | abrotman: I know |
| 16:10.47 | IquO | Ç/quit |
| 16:10.52 | abrotman | asg: or you mean in march ? |
| 16:11.09 | hjubal | hi |
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| 16:11.34 | asg | abrotman: I meant in regards to this time last year |
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| 16:12.15 | abrotman | asg: ah .. let me look |
| 16:12.39 | tsukihime | "CS4281: probe of 0000:02:0c.0 failed with error -5" plesea help =S |
| 16:12.45 | abrotman | asg: well .. yeah .. some of them are still here .. but much diminished |
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| 16:13.00 | resiak | crapbuster |
| 16:13.05 | mr_claus | hi, i tried to convert my files from latin1 to utf by using convmv but now i found files with encoding cp850 too, is there a software available which detects the original encoding and transform the filenames to utf8? |
| 16:13.16 | abrotman | resiak: fiber? |
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| 16:13.23 | asg | resiak: plunger? |
| 16:13.48 | |lostbyte| | how can i find out clear font fall under which category ? |
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| 16:14.04 | asg | |lostbyte|: xfontsel |
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| 16:15.23 | Den-Dens | hey abrotman |
| 16:15.24 | |lostbyte| | asg, actually i am on ubuntu and completely new to debain and ubuntu. |
| 16:15.34 | abrotman | what did i do? |
| 16:15.42 | asg | |lostbyte|: cool, then use xfontsel and ask again on #ubuntu |
| 16:15.42 | abrotman | |lostbyte|: ask #ubuntu ? |
| 16:15.58 | |lostbyte| | abrotman, not very helpful :( |
| 16:15.59 | blakkino | the ip of ftp.de.debian.org? |
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| 16:16.05 | blakkino | (dns problems..) |
| 16:16.07 | abrotman | |lostbyte|: you're using ubuntu .. go ask them |
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| 16:16.15 | Den-Dens | abrotman; an other small qeustion if you got time |
| 16:16.22 | abrotman | Nameeater: ftp.de.debian.org |
| 16:16.22 | abrotman | Address: 141.76.2.4 |
| 16:16.24 | asg | blakkino: 141.76.2.4 |
| 16:16.27 | abrotman | Den-Dens: ok |
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| 16:16.38 | |lostbyte| | abrotman, ubuntu is from debian right ! so i thought it would have the same base. |
| 16:16.41 | asg | abrotman: Nameeater? |
| 16:16.47 | abrotman | |lostbyte|: you thought wrong |
| 16:16.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:16.47 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:16.51 | abrotman | asg: nfc |
| 16:16.52 | asg | |lostbyte|: same base 6 months ago |
| 16:17.04 | |lostbyte| | k ! |
| 16:17.05 | asg | |lostbyte|: since we've moved on, we can't support ubuntu |
| 16:17.05 | abrotman | asg: oh .. nicktab! |
| 16:17.09 | asg | abrotman: ah |
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| 16:17.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've gotten two very powerful windscreen wiper motors |
| 16:17.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: KIA and Toyota ... |
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| 16:17.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: hehe .. powerful .. right .. if you say so |
| 16:17.43 | asg | tarzeau: you making a better dildo? |
| 16:17.55 | abrotman | my arm is probably stronger than the kia motor |
| 16:17.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: without the equipmeant around it it'd fit in every womans' hand bag |
| 16:17.56 | asg | tarzeau: with USB support? |
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| 16:18.04 | zebalin4 | abrotman: beep :-) |
| 16:18.09 | tarzeau | asg: usb is crap! i do the really good stuff |
| 16:18.21 | tarzeau | asg: but yes, fuckingmachines like! with plans for it being free software |
| 16:18.28 | asg | tarzeau: serial console? |
| 16:18.36 | Coke | Hello. I think the mesa librari is relinking libGL.so.1 to it's own crappy libs even though I have manually set the nvidia drivers, this happens every time I use the package system, can I turn it off? |
| 16:18.54 | tarzeau | asg: power supply unit, windscreen wiper motor, mounting kit and pleasure motion kit! four parts |
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| 16:19.16 | tarzeau | asg: serial console? crap... i have real buttons, large enough to hit even if you're somewhere else with your mind |
| 16:19.20 | asg | tarzeau: yeah but we need to be able to control it from here using irssi scripts |
| 16:19.21 | abrotman | zebalin4: hey |
| 16:19.26 | Den-Dens | abrotman : k sorry i think i've got a solution. thanks for your time i'll get back to you if it does'nt work |
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| 16:19.38 | tarzeau | asg: phahahah, you can come to www.powerpussy.ch if you want to control it |
| 16:19.42 | zebalin4 | abrotman: I see you are still holding down the fort here. ! |
| 16:19.45 | asg | tarzeau: \m/ |
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| 16:20.23 | tarzeau | asg: sorry wrong link, it's http://www.pussypower.ch/ |
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| 16:21.23 | abrotman | Den-Dens: uhm ok |
| 16:21.40 | abrotman | zebalin4: i drafted asg .. he knows how to format floppies! |
| 16:22.04 | tarzeau | using superformat? |
| 16:22.09 | [iago] | is there a program that takes a bootable floppy and can convert it to a bootable iso (cd image?) |
| 16:22.18 | tarzeau | [iago]: dd/cdrecord |
| 16:22.18 | tsukihime | "CS4281: probe of 0000:02:0c.0 failed with error -5" please help =S |
| 16:22.34 | Den-Dens | :) |
| 16:22.37 | tarzeau | [iago]: but not directly from floppy to cd, you'll need a faster buffer |
| 16:22.44 | wols | [iago]: mkisofs can create bootable ISO files which you can then burn |
| 16:22.48 | tarzeau | tsukihime: sound? |
| 16:22.49 | [iago] | tarzeau will it work straight? |
| 16:22.58 | tarzeau | [iago]: are we talking x86? yes |
| 16:23.01 | Eulex | tsukihime, and your sound card is an ancient cs4281? |
| 16:23.08 | tarzeau | [iago]: all others can do real booting (from networking) |
| 16:24.07 | tsukihime | Eulex: yes.... including the dirt and spider webs o.o |
| 16:24.52 | tsukihime | tarzeau: yeah sound problems .... |
| 16:25.05 | tarzeau | tsukihime: tried the latest alsa? like from exeperimental? |
| 16:25.17 | tsukihime | tarzeau: yes, and recompiled the kernel |
| 16:25.18 | blondie | hmm, how do you get apt-get to put stuff in modules.conf when you install libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 16:25.31 | Eulex | tsukihime, O.o |
| 16:25.33 | tarzeau | tsukihime: got one more free pci slot? |
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| 16:25.48 | SlackRat | i have a question about ubuntu..... |
| 16:25.54 | SlackRat | heh, april fools |
| 16:25.54 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 16:25.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 16:25.56 | tsukihime | tarzeau: yes... |
| 16:26.04 | tarzeau | blondie: /etc/modules.conf ? |
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| 16:26.13 | tarzeau | tsukihime: get a read soundcard |
| 16:26.13 | blondie | no the pache modules.conf |
| 16:26.16 | blondie | +a |
| 16:26.18 | tarzeau | blondie: hehe :) |
| 16:26.32 | SlackRat | <Based On Debian>? |
| 16:26.40 | gary | hello |
| 16:26.42 | SlackRat | !based on debian |
| 16:26.42 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 16:26.51 | tsukihime | tarzeau: a read souncard?? |
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| 16:26.55 | SlackRat | heh |
| 16:27.01 | blondie | it did it the first time; then I removed it and installed apache-ssl too, then when I reinstalled it it didn't put stuff in either modules.conf |
| 16:27.14 | tarzeau | tsukihime: real |
| 16:27.28 | blondie | I could do it manually but that's not the point |
| 16:27.30 | tsukihime | tarzeau: xD i cant, i have to stick to this one.... |
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| 16:27.36 | tsukihime | tarzeau: can you help me or not??o.o |
| 16:28.10 | tarzeau | tsukihime: i helped you, but you didn't want my help |
| 16:28.21 | tarzeau | tsukihime: you're acting like a small child |
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| 16:28.29 | tarzeau | "no momy, but i want this." |
| 16:28.42 | tsukihime | tarzeau: i dont have money to buy a new one...... |
| 16:28.43 | gary | anyone know how to configure wireless in debian?? |
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| 16:28.53 | tsukihime | tarzeau: i dont know whats your problem, why dont you buy me another one >_> |
| 16:28.56 | tarzeau | tsukihime: which country do you live in? |
| 16:29.02 | tsukihime | tarzeau: dominican repulbic |
| 16:29.02 | tarzeau | tsukihime: tell me where you live |
| 16:29.11 | Eulex | tsukihime, you might need to give it some parametres when modprobing it. also, alsa didn't work for you? |
| 16:29.19 | tarzeau | tsukihime: send me your postal address to gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
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| 16:29.33 | ogzy | i installed powernowd but still my fan working madly |
| 16:29.43 | Eulex | ogzy, cpu? |
| 16:29.49 | ogzy | cpu temperature is normal but fan is working continuesly |
| 16:30.02 | gary | my thinkpad t23 had pcmcia wireless card, but debian doesn't see it |
| 16:30.07 | SlackRat | thats madly? |
| 16:30.20 | ogzy | Eulex, cpu module is loaded |
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| 16:30.42 | Eulex | ogzy, powernowd only controls the cpu speed. |
| 16:30.47 | argent | hey |
| 16:30.55 | ogzy | Eulex, i need something to control fan |
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| 16:31.05 | Eulex | ogzy, what computer? |
| 16:31.21 | ogzy | Eulex, Acer Travelmate c300 |
| 16:31.33 | ogzy | Eulex, tablet pc |
| 16:31.36 | Eulex | gary, and there's a linux driver for it? |
| 16:31.37 | blondie | use windows, it's better for that |
| 16:32.25 | gary | don't know if there's a driver; it's a linksys; would there be one on their website?? Apologize, but I'm a newbie |
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| 16:32.33 | ogzy | Eulex, ýi dont understand the relation with fan and os. Should there be a control option for cpu fan or it is controled by hardware |
| 16:32.50 | Eulex | ogzy, hmm, dunno for that one. are you sure that it doesn't keep the fan working because the cpu is hot? |
| 16:33.11 | Eulex | ogzy, it differs. some hardware needs to be controlled by software. some doesn't. |
| 16:33.47 | ogzy | Eulex, acpi -t says 44 celcius |
| 16:33.52 | SlackRat | some distros have the fan run continuosly, others dont....never had a problem with a fan working 'all the time' on a lappy |
| 16:34.08 | ogzy | Eulex, and termal 2 is 53 celcius |
| 16:34.23 | Eulex | ogzy, that's actually a bit hot. what cpu have you got? |
| 16:34.41 | ogzy | intell centirino 1.6 |
| 16:34.49 | ogzy | Eulex, intell centirino 1.6 |
| 16:34.52 | abrotman | mine is 49 |
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| 16:34.57 | abrotman | but i have a P4 2.4Ghz |
| 16:34.59 | Eulex | ogzy, and what frequency is it running on? |
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| 16:35.14 | ogzy | Eulex, where can get this info |
| 16:35.22 | Eulex | ogzy, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 16:35.27 | tsukihime | tarzeau: you gonna send me a new one?? ;P |
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| 16:36.21 | tarzeau | tsukihime: i hate to send stuff overseas because it's more expensive than the carditself |
| 16:36.22 | Eulex | ogzy, fyi, I've got a pentium m 1.86, which runs at ~35C in normal cases. when the cpu frequency is increased to full speed, it can go up to 50C before the fan kicks in, though. |
| 16:36.30 | tarzeau | tsukihime: are you a dd and would sponsor me 10 packages for it? |
| 16:36.49 | tsukihime | tarzeau: if you send me one ill pay the shipping and taxes ;P |
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| 16:36.52 | ogzy | Eulex, http://pastebin.com/634375 |
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| 16:37.05 | ntl__ | last pptp? |
| 16:37.09 | ntl__ | some ideas..? |
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| 16:37.28 | zenek | !sux |
| 16:37.29 | dpkg | [sux] su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 16:37.49 | Eulex | ogzy, that looks ok. tried just waiting to see if it cools down after a while, and then decreases the speed of the fan automatically? |
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| 16:38.32 | abrotman | hey .. where'd that oracle guy go |
| 16:38.32 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:38.52 | ogzy | Eulex, hýmm but whenevet the desktop is opened fan starts is this normal |
| 16:38.55 | abrotman | dmesg: they have oracle for debian on oracle's website |
| 16:39.09 | Eulex | ogzy, "desktop is opened"? |
| 16:39.33 | dmesg | abrotman ahhh ok let me take a look then :D |
| 16:39.33 | ogzy | Eulex, i mean i opened debian and log in to KDE |
| 16:39.36 | dmesg | thanks |
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| 16:40.31 | ogzy | Eulex, maybe i should try with and old kernel version like 2.6.8 |
| 16:40.46 | digits | could somebody please point me to a good how-to on deb sources packages installing and configuring please? |
| 16:40.47 | Eulex | ogzy, well, when the computer starts it will sure see quite much cpu use, which will cause the temperature to go up. |
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| 16:41.11 | dvs | good question |
| 16:41.13 | Eulex | ogzy, whatever newer kernel you're running is better for a pentium m than 2.6.8. |
| 16:41.32 | abrotman | dmesg: otn.oracle.com .. you may have to register |
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| 16:41.44 | ogzy | Eulex, it is 2.6.16 |
| 16:42.01 | dmesg | abrotman ahh thanks a lot, im checking :) |
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| 16:42.19 | dvs | ogzy: I'd get 2.6.15 personally. They spend over a month stabilizing 2.6.16 |
| 16:42.27 | jonkri | my father need to use a usb audio phone with skype but i have no idea to help him do that. do i need special drivers? can i create a dsp device with it? thanks in advance! |
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| 16:42.49 | ogzy | Eulex, fan is still working i dont know whether it is normal or not |
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| 16:42.59 | abrotman | dmesg: http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/xe/htdocs/102xelinsoft.html |
| 16:43.04 | Eulex | ogzy, neither do I |
| 16:43.12 | blakkino | how to prevent resolv.conf to be updated (by dhclient, i suppose) ? |
| 16:43.14 | dmesg | abrotman thanks :D |
| 16:43.24 | cahoot | jonkri: snd-usb-audio will do just fine |
| 16:43.36 | tsukihime | Eulex: already tried installing alsa.. same thing and when runned alsaconf got this error mesage/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 16:43.51 | jonkri | cahoot, is that a module? |
| 16:43.58 | cahoot | jonkri: yes |
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| 16:44.15 | Eulex | tsukihime, checked alsa-project.org? |
| 16:44.38 | cahoot | jonkri: I guess you'll need basic usb working also |
| 16:44.53 | tsukihime | Eulex: yes.... |
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| 16:45.00 | jonkri | cahoot, i ran `modprobe snd-usb-audio` and nothing happened (it's not loaded when i run `lsmod | grep snd-usb-audio` |
| 16:45.04 | soundsoldier | hello, are there any sawfish users present? |
| 16:45.14 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 16:45.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:45.15 | jonkri | cahoot, i have modprobe and is using a usb mouse, so it hsould work |
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| 16:46.23 | alex_ | how can I know what ps is using a device such as hw:0 ? |
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| 16:46.59 | cahoot | jonkri: lsmod|grep audio doesn't show it? |
| 16:47.04 | ogzy | Eulex, i will reset the comp lets see whether the fan works hard then decrease |
| 16:47.10 | alex_ | anyone ? |
| 16:47.11 | jonkri | cahoot, sorry, it does :) |
| 16:47.19 | cahoot | alex_: fuers -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 16:47.30 | jonkri | cahoot, so what do i do now? can i get a couple of files in the dev tree that i can configure in skype? |
| 16:47.32 | cahoot | alex_: err fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 16:47.45 | alex_ | oh cool thanks |
| 16:47.57 | cahoot | jonkri: just point skype to dsp or dsp1 |
| 16:48.07 | jonkri | cahoot, that's smart :) |
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| 16:48.55 | abrotman | what to eat .. waht to eat |
| 16:49.02 | alex_ | cahoot: why /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p ? |
| 16:49.15 | cahoot | jonkri: if you want consistency between reboots - add 'optins snd-usb-audio index=0' to /etc/modprobe./alsa-base - then it should always be /dev/dsp |
| 16:49.43 | cahoot | jonkri: if you want consistency beterr 'options snd-usb-audio index=0' to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base - then it should always be /dev/dsp |
| 16:49.44 | jonkri | cahoot, well, we will want to have the soundcard's speakers for music and stuff |
| 16:49.58 | jonkri | cahoot, so dsp1 is ok |
| 16:50.05 | alex_ | cahoot: ? |
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| 16:50.34 | cahoot | jonkri: then 'options snd-usb-audio index=1' to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base - then it should always be /dev/dsp1 |
| 16:50.35 | tarzeau | anyone from debian games packaging team here? |
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| 16:50.54 | cahoot | alex_: thats the first alsa devic hence hw:0 |
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| 16:51.21 | jonkri | cahoot, thanks ALOT :) |
| 16:51.34 | alex_ | cahoot: nothing is returned from this command line, but hw:0 is in use |
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| 16:52.28 | jonkri | i take it i will need drivers in order to use the numpad on the phone and stuff? |
| 16:52.43 | jonkri | any idea what file in the dev tree i need to cat? |
| 16:52.47 | jonkri | to see what i get? |
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| 16:53.01 | andete | is Marcelo Magallon MIA? |
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| 16:53.13 | abrotman | who? |
| 16:53.20 | abrotman | andete: why? |
| 16:53.28 | cahoot | jonkri: that's an advanced problem - if ever get a solution be sure to publish |
| 16:53.41 | jvw | andete: please mail mia@qa.d.o if you suspect so |
| 16:53.43 | jonkri | cahoot, ok man :) thanks |
| 16:53.54 | abrotman | jvw: oddly .. he's in #-ot |
| 16:54.06 | abrotman | jvw: but hasn't said a peep in a long time |
| 16:54.15 | andete | abrotman: oddly he is on irc |
| 16:54.33 | abrotman | andete: lots of people are on irc .. but he used to talk fairly frequently |
| 16:54.43 | andete | abrotman: I was just wondering about the status of libglew1; it seems to be neglected |
| 16:54.46 | alex_ | I am trying to run jackd and I got this: |
| 16:54.51 | resiak | !paste |
| 16:54.51 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 16:54.56 | cahoot | alex_: so if you try aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav - you get an error? |
| 16:55.03 | abrotman | andete: neglected? |
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| 16:55.42 | alex_ | cahoot: it just stay stuck |
| 16:55.43 | jvw | andete: at least, firt send him a mail |
| 16:55.50 | cahoot | stuck? |
| 16:56.00 | alex_ | the prompt |
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| 16:56.09 | jvw | andete: if you don't get a reply, or not a helpful one, please send a mail to mia@qa.d.o |
| 16:56.10 | andete | jvm: friend already did, with no success |
| 16:56.12 | cahoot | alex_: try fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 16:56.23 | andete | jvm: more then two weeks ago |
| 16:56.37 | alex_ | cahoot: esd |
| 16:56.38 | abrotman | andete: jvw .. not jvm |
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| 16:56.50 | cahoot | alex_: there's your problem |
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| 16:56.53 | andete | abrotman: sorry, silly nick completion :) |
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| 16:56.59 | alex_ | esd is using it ? |
| 16:57.05 | cahoot | alex_: yes |
| 16:57.10 | cahoot | alex_: pkill esd |
| 16:57.15 | andete | jvw: thanks for the hints |
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| 16:57.29 | cahoot | alex_: gnomeuser? |
| 16:58.00 | alex_ | cahoot: humyes |
| 16:58.08 | abrotman | jvw: is there a list of MIAs somewhere? |
| 16:58.19 | jvw | abrotman: not public |
| 16:58.31 | cahoot | alex_: you don't want esd if you plan to use jackd |
| 16:58.32 | jvw | abrotman: once someone is found mia, packages are orphaned |
| 16:58.49 | alex_ | cahoot: what is esd ? |
| 16:58.53 | jvw | abrotman: in the process of finding out whether, everything is private (but DDs can check) |
| 16:58.53 | abrotman | jvw: oh .. that mia-history file |
| 16:59.05 | Juul_ | i want to monitor the network traffic of several computers in real time. ethereal can monitor a single computer, and it has tools to merge several tcpdump files, but not in real time. are there any tools that can do this? |
| 16:59.09 | jvw | yeah, indeed, except that it's no longer called mia-history, nor a file :) |
| 16:59.15 | cahoot | alex_: a 'sound server' - what card do you have? |
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| 16:59.28 | abrotman | jvw: well .. it still is saying that here |
| 16:59.32 | abrotman | jvw: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html#s-mia-qa |
| 16:59.35 | alex_ | cahoot: no idea |
| 16:59.39 | jvw | abrotman: yeah, I need to update that |
| 16:59.41 | jvw | I know |
| 16:59.43 | cahoot | alex_: ha |
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| 17:00.00 | abrotman | jvw: you could delegate that :) |
| 17:00.06 | alex_ | cahoot: I am on a laptop |
| 17:00.14 | cahoot | alex_: then good luck implementing the complexity of jackd |
| 17:00.18 | wols | Juul_: shouldn't you run snort or another IDS instead? |
| 17:00.19 | jvw | abrotman: delegating boring work isn't nearly as effictive as delegating cool work |
| 17:00.30 | jvw | abrotman: as in, it only works if I *pay* the person to do the work :) |
| 17:00.34 | alex_ | cahoot: is that so complicated ? |
| 17:00.36 | abrotman | jvw: not everyone finds accurate docs boring |
| 17:01.02 | jvw | true... well, do you volunteer :)? |
| 17:01.08 | wols | abrotman: but people who don't fine _making_ accurate docs boring are rare indeed |
| 17:01.09 | abrotman | jvw: i can't .. i'm not a DD :) |
| 17:01.17 | jvw | but you can see the code via cvs |
| 17:01.21 | cahoot | alex_: you plan to use a laptop for work that draws any benefit from jackd? |
| 17:01.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: you should get a DD |
| 17:01.31 | Juul_ | wols: haven't looked at snort, but i will. thanks |
| 17:01.45 | wols | Juul_: also search for intrustion detecion system |
| 17:01.50 | abrotman | jvw: yes .. but i also don't have access to the DD stuff that would allow me to accurately document how to search for MIAs |
| 17:01.52 | wols | *intrusion |
| 17:01.53 | Juul_ | ok |
| 17:01.56 | alex_ | cahoot: that the only computer I have |
| 17:02.05 | jvw | abrotman: anyway, the README is uptodate, so... |
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| 17:02.11 | abrotman | jvw: ah ok |
| 17:02.13 | Malder | is anyone familiar with debian's net install? |
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| 17:02.18 | tarzeau | Malder: yes |
| 17:02.20 | abrotman | Malder: many of us |
| 17:02.25 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 17:02.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:02.28 | cahoot | alex_: I really don't think you need jackd |
| 17:02.33 | jvw | abrotman: http://cvs.debian.org/mia/README?root=qa&view=markup |
| 17:02.47 | alex_ | cahoot: but ardour requires jack to work |
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| 17:03.21 | Malder | k |
| 17:03.24 | |lostbyte| | when i play with mplayer a movie and hit the "f" key which is a shortcut for fullscreen, i dont get a fullscreen but i the same playing video with black all around it completing the screen ! any idea to why this is happening ? |
| 17:03.27 | cahoot | alex_: true - good luck (no irony) - I'm off to eat |
| 17:03.27 | andete | alex_: you could try running jack in non-realtime mode |
| 17:03.43 | tarzeau | |lostbyte|: you compiled it badly. yourself? |
| 17:03.52 | tarzeau | lonewolff: or x config is crap |
| 17:03.58 | andete | alex_: it's what I do when I need it for just playing around with an audio app |
| 17:04.02 | |lostbyte| | tarzeau, nope ! i apt-got it :) |
| 17:04.12 | tarzeau | lonewolff: the person who compiled it did it badly? |
| 17:04.17 | tarzeau | |lostbyte|: your nick suck |
| 17:04.23 | tarzeau | |lostbyte|: and you didn't read the manual page |
| 17:04.24 | alex_ | andete: thanks |
| 17:04.25 | Malder | I'm trying to do a netinstall, but apparently my ethernet card (onboard) is not recognized. I have a *nix driver that came with it.... how can I make this work? |
| 17:04.34 | tarzeau | !nickometer |lostbyte| |
| 17:04.36 | dpkg | '|lostbyte|' is 26.000% lame, tarzeau |
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| 17:04.48 | tarzeau | Malder: what nic is it? |
| 17:04.53 | |lostbyte| | !nickimeter tarzeau |
| 17:05.05 | streuner | hehe |
| 17:05.22 | tarzeau | 'tarzeau' is 100.00% sexy, |lostbyte| |
| 17:05.31 | streuner | change your nick, otherwise we get eyecancer :-) |
| 17:05.45 | tarzeau | streuner: it's for the tab completion that it sucks |
| 17:05.53 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't care what it looks like. i've seen GOAT.SE |
| 17:06.00 | streuner | sure, don't tell me :-) |
| 17:06.11 | tarzeau | |lostbyte|: have you seen goatse? |
| 17:06.23 | streuner | how can i enable in irssi nickcompletition? |
| 17:06.35 | abrotman | tarzeau is way uglier than goatse |
| 17:06.35 | tarzeau | streuner: it's there by default. press tab |
| 17:06.38 | tarzeau | streuner: #irssi |
| 17:06.38 | Malder | my mobo manual says Vitesse VSC8201 |
| 17:06.39 | wols | streuner: it's anabled by default |
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| 17:06.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: you bum! |
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| 17:06.57 | |lostbyte| | tarzeau, if your fingers cannot reach the "|" key which is used a lot with input output operators. then you have a problem. |
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| 17:07.16 | wols | Malder: *nix != linux |
| 17:07.16 | streuner | wols: i wanna type 'wo:' and it should complete it |
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| 17:07.23 | wols | Malder: lspci -v for example |
| 17:07.28 | vin` | tarzeau: http://www.macuser.com/ipod/funniest_ipod_case_ever.php |
| 17:07.34 | wols | streuner: no, you type "wo" and then press tab |
| 17:07.44 | wols | then it iwll complete to "WoodsDog:" :P |
| 17:07.58 | |lostbyte| | And press |l and then tab. whats so hard in that. |
| 17:08.18 | wols | !nickometer |lostbyte| |
| 17:08.20 | dpkg | '|lostbyte|' is 26.000% lame, wols |
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| 17:09.05 | |lostbyte| | !nickometer lostbyte |
| 17:09.07 | dpkg | 'lostbyte' is 0.000% lame, |lostbyte| |
| 17:09.21 | wols | now guess why? |
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| 17:10.00 | |lostbyte| | wols, :) |
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| 17:11.21 | beered | I noticed 'sysfs: invalid group root:power' in dmesg. googling turns out nothing. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 17:11.48 | abrotman | add a power group ? |
| 17:12.18 | |lostbyte| | Whats with ubuntu i cant get anything straight. |
| 17:12.18 | beered | abrotman: yes, I know that but what is perm it should have and what it does? |
| 17:12.22 | JasonX | I cannot get lilo to dual boot debian on hda & Windows-XP on hdc (diff drives) - Is It Possible? linux boots windows just hangs |
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| 17:12.51 | beered | abrotman: yes, I know that but what permisions it should have and what it does? |
| 17:12.52 | |lostbyte| | whats the main resone ubuntu was born ? |
| 17:13.08 | streuner | JasonX: did you run 'lilo -v' before? |
| 17:13.17 | pipeline | |lostbyte|: How the hell should we know? |
| 17:13.22 | abrotman | beered: it's just looking for a group |
| 17:13.24 | beered | JasonX: yes, it is possible. Make sure lilo is installed in the MBR of hda. |
| 17:13.29 | abrotman | |lostbyte|: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:13.33 | JasonX | yer lilo is setup ok i get menu choice up etc but when i select windows it just does nothing |
| 17:13.41 | beered | abrotman: I guess it won't hurt trying that. ty. |
| 17:13.48 | JasonX | i wondered if maybe xp wont boot from lilo |
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| 17:13.54 | abrotman | JasonX: it does |
| 17:13.57 | |lostbyte| | abrotman, like ! i said above.. they are'nt very helpful. |
| 17:13.57 | streuner | JasonX: crap |
| 17:14.12 | DHX | do someone can tell wich parameters he wrote to compile maildrop with the mysql support ? |
| 17:14.16 | DHX | telle me |
| 17:14.21 | streuner | JasonX: tell lilo to install MBR into hda |
| 17:14.22 | DHX | t-e |
| 17:14.31 | abrotman | |lostbyte|: TOUGH .. go ask them |
| 17:14.35 | beered | JasonX: just because you see a boot menu in lilo it doesn't mean that it's installed in the mbr. |
| 17:14.40 | streuner | JasonX:not hda1 or somesuch... |
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| 17:14.57 | JasonX | i put lilo in mbr a few weeks back |
| 17:15.05 | beered | JasonX: hda mbr? |
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| 17:15.16 | wols | DHX: have you run "./configure --help" for it (if there is a configure)? |
| 17:15.35 | JasonX | lilo has been working fine for just booting linux BUT now i have added second drive on ide2:master with windows xp and want to dual boot |
| 17:16.05 | beered | JasonX: dude... install... lilo... in... MBR... of... your... win XP... disk... |
| 17:16.11 | JasonX | i CAN boot windows drive if i change bios to boot 'd drive' (as bios calls it |
| 17:16.15 | sEbaKiLLeR | lilo sucks!!!!!! |
| 17:16.30 | sEbaKiLLeR | the best you can do is install grub! |
| 17:16.39 | JasonX | I need lilo on linux disk AND xp disk? |
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| 17:16.58 | robin__ | ok, who can help me get this CUPS thing to print on my laserjet ... |
| 17:17.04 | Eulex | !grub vs lilo |
| 17:17.05 | dpkg | methinks grub vs lilo is http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-bootload.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01LILOandGRUB |
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| 17:17.14 | robin__ | printing on a printer should not be this hard :( |
| 17:17.15 | streuner | JasonX: tell us your lilo.conf and the output of 'fdisk -l' in paster bot |
| 17:17.21 | no0tic | linus is really a debian dev now? or it's another april's fool? |
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| 17:17.33 | streuner | JasonX: /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:17.43 | wols | no0tic: in a sense he always has been a dd, no? |
| 17:17.51 | wols | I mean without him, where would dbeian be? |
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| 17:17.55 | robin__ | daeos__, found your XP install yet? |
| 17:18.09 | beered | no0tic: It's Aprils fool joke. |
| 17:18.12 | no0tic | wols, right, but http://linustorvalds.typepad.com/the_kernel_blog/2006/04/account_created.html |
| 17:18.27 | no0tic | beered, wah... too much this year... |
| 17:19.00 | beered | honestly, some people will never grow up. April fools... that's for kids and teens. |
| 17:19.15 | beered | :-) |
| 17:19.26 | cahoot | he'd never be elected |
| 17:19.37 | wols | beered: have you ever seen a grown up man? a really grown up man an dnot a kid in a man's body? |
| 17:19.47 | tarzeau | vin`: hahaha |
| 17:19.49 | beered | wols: ah, yes good point. |
| 17:19.52 | robin__ | ok, so I have set up cups added a printer and a class for it ... and I still cant print |
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| 17:19.59 | JasonX | Um i'm getting a little bit confused. I have master drive with lilo+debian, booting lilo then linux fine. I edited lilo.conf `other=/dev/hdc4 |
| 17:19.59 | JasonX | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.21 | JasonX | errr mirc went a bit mad there |
| 17:20.40 | zlirk | Hi, does anybody know which driver is better to use : acpi-cpufreq or speedstep-centrino? |
| 17:20.46 | JasonX | is lilo not able to run then boot xp on diff dirve |
| 17:20.47 | beered | wols: I think the real gwon up man are a little boring. |
| 17:21.27 | Eulex | zlirk, if acpi-cpufreq works well for you, that's the preferred one |
| 17:21.28 | no0tic | beered, surely |
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| 17:21.47 | no0tic | beered, but the news is from 31 march... |
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| 17:22.11 | robin__ | sigh .. printing in linux is always so fscking difficult |
| 17:22.12 | tarzeau | !ls |
| 17:22.12 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
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| 17:22.29 | Eulex | *shudder* |
| 17:22.33 | JasonX | Do I need to replace the windows MBR with lilo on the second drive so lilo is on MBR of BOTH drives? |
| 17:22.34 | streuner | JasonX: without infos we cant help |
| 17:22.36 | wols | no0tic: go and make a blog for George Walker Bush on typepad, dho. do you now get it? |
| 17:22.57 | streuner | JasonX: just show us the infos we earlier postet |
| 17:22.57 | Eulex | brought back memories of having to remember both long and short filenames of stuff... |
| 17:22.59 | no0tic | wols, yes, but planet.debian.it ? |
| 17:23.00 | zlirk | eulex: it works but seems to report bad cpuspeed when I use the conservative governor and overlock my CPU |
| 17:23.09 | no0tic | wols, yes, but planet.debian.org, sorry ? |
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| 17:23.16 | Eulex | zlirk, hmm, then that's bad. what pentium m? |
| 17:23.27 | wols | no0tic: do you look for official debian news to debian.it or debian.org? |
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| 17:23.43 | no0tic | wols, debian.org |
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| 17:23.48 | zlirk | eulex: pentium m 725 (1.6 GHz FSB 400) OC to FSB 533 |
| 17:23.52 | unstable | Redhat was just bought by Microsoft, jeez...ohw can they do that. |
| 17:23.59 | Coke | How can I list what format the ALSA devices are using? I get this "arecord: set_params:896: Sample format non available" from arecord and I have no idea what format the card is expecting. |
| 17:24.08 | streuner | JasonX: XP isn't care, as long as you tell lilo where to start |
| 17:24.11 | wols | unstable: with their lunch money |
| 17:24.39 | cahoot | Coke: aplay -help |
| 17:24.44 | streuner | JasonX: in MBR it provides any info to just jumb to the right point to get other infos... |
| 17:24.47 | JasonX | streuner : im not sure what info u asked for dpkg paste? |
| 17:24.58 | streuner | JasonX: tell us your lilo.conf and the output of 'fdisk -l' in paster bot |
| 17:25.02 | zlirk | eulex: cat /proc/cpuinfo reports 1600 MHz instead of 2133 MHz when I use conservative |
| 17:25.06 | Eulex | zlirk, hmm, ok. I think the speedstep-centrino one is preferred for those early pentium m's. |
| 17:25.23 | streuner | JasonX: /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:25.29 | wols | JasonX: a single lilo will suffice. however there's still a lot of config depending on your exact setup |
| 17:25.35 | Coke | cahoot: it reveals little of the format of the devices. |
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| 17:25.49 | zenwryly | Anyone know of any deb or apt source for a Document Object Model reference? |
| 17:25.53 | zlirk | eulex: well it's a Dothan, I consider it's not a so early pentium m |
| 17:26.21 | cahoot | Coke: trying to make a wav? then look at the bottom 3 lines |
| 17:26.31 | JasonX | yer i understand about MBR's ide0:1 drive has lilo as MBR ide1:1 drive has win in MBR. it boots off ide0:1, lilo runs i select windows and it wont boot, but the windows dirve will boot if i chnage boot device in bios so i know its ok |
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| 17:27.29 | sehute | Hi, anyone's up-to-date on Flash/SWF on 64-bit Debian? Anyone made it work, without using the macromedia plugin in 32-bit mode? |
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| 17:28.00 | Coke | cahoot: yeah, how do I know what format my capture supports? |
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| 17:28.18 | unstable | !gnash |
| 17:28.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ... |
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| 17:28.23 | unstable | sehute: compile gnash |
| 17:28.24 | cahoot | Coke: personally I'd do a trial and error run |
| 17:28.35 | Coke | cahoot: bah. there's a lot of formats. |
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| 17:28.39 | Eulex | zlirk, maybe you're bitten by the problem described at http://tuxmobil.org/centrino.html ? |
| 17:28.39 | Coke | it will take forever. |
| 17:28.58 | sehute | unstable: Thanks, but I already know about Gnash. I was looking for news. :) |
| 17:29.00 | JasonX | streuner: what is /msg dpkg paste supposed to do |
| 17:29.11 | sehute | unstable: gnash doesn't compile here |
| 17:29.18 | JasonX | it does nothing but bring up the helkp options fof dpkg |
| 17:29.31 | cahoot | -f cd (16 bit little endian, 44100, stereo) or -f dat (16 bit little endian, 48000, stereo) maybe? |
| 17:29.43 | streuner | !paste |
| 17:29.43 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:29.53 | streuner | JasonX: ^^^^ |
| 17:29.54 | sehute | unstable: and last time I tried, it crashed if you breathed |
| 17:30.17 | sehute | !meaning of life |
| 17:30.18 | dpkg | THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, sehute, or 42 |
| 17:30.23 | zlirk | eulex: I have kernel 2.6.15 so it should be ok |
| 17:30.25 | SlackRat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.28 | cahoot | Coke: my audigy wants -f cd |
| 17:30.35 | Eulex | zlirk, ok |
| 17:30.54 | JasonX | streuner : dpkg ? what dpkg just brings up the help options what info is it that is req'd ? |
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| 17:31.29 | cahoot | Coke: else you could try ecasound for cli recording |
| 17:31.39 | JasonX | like 'Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*];# etc etc |
| 17:32.07 | streuner | JasonX: We cannot help if we haven't detailed infos about, lilo.conf is too complex and you are able to do easily a error there... |
| 17:32.12 | Coke | cahoot: actualy, I'm more interrested in finding out what the ALSA settings are for my devices. |
| 17:32.35 | cahoot | Coke: aplay -L |
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| 17:33.15 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:33.15 | dpkg | i guess qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
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| 17:33.24 | Coke | cahoot: no, that doesn't do it. the asoundrc uses variables and the parts that don't is the ones that I've configured manually = I already know the format. |
| 17:33.30 | Coke | cahoot: but thanks anyway. |
| 17:33.54 | cahoot | Coke: chances are you don't want an .asoundrc anyway |
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| 17:35.12 | unstable | !42 |
| 17:35.12 | dpkg | somebody said 42 was the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 17:35.17 | foo | I am trying to convince my friend debian is better for a server platform than ubuntu. I told him debian because of the different branches - stable, testing, and unstable ... and packages in stable are really tested and what not. Can someone else confirm this or give me other arguments? |
| 17:35.36 | digits | !postfix |
| 17:35.36 | dpkg | [postfix] a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 17:35.37 | Covener | Anyone have a clue as to why firefox may die in processing flash when launched via a kde shortcut or the alt-f2 menu but not when launched from a terminal? |
| 17:35.40 | adii | from marillat's key commandline it returns : "gpg: WARNING: nothing exported, gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found" |
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| 17:35.52 | SlackRat | ubuntu, based on sid unstable , is buggier than sid in my experience....... |
| 17:35.53 | unstable | foo: Who cares, let him use Ubuntu |
| 17:35.55 | Covener | (can't seem to get a corefile either, ulimit -c is unlimited :/) |
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| 17:35.56 | abrotman | adii: what's the key number |
| 17:36.00 | abrotman | SlackRat: no it's not |
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| 17:36.07 | foo | unstable: I do. I don't want him to conform. haha. |
| 17:36.17 | JasonX | streuner : i have pasted my lilo.conf into flood |
| 17:36.25 | abrotman | !tell adii about apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:36.26 | adii | abrotman, i use dpkg's command : gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 |
| 17:36.36 | unstable | foo: why, Ubuntu is based off os unstable. Without debian Ubuntu can't exist. |
| 17:36.42 | adii | ok |
| 17:36.43 | unstable | s/os/of |
| 17:36.54 | adii | thanks |
| 17:36.58 | foo | unstable: I see. But for a server platform. hmm |
| 17:37.09 | unstable | For a server platform sarge > ubuntu* |
| 17:37.15 | unstable | Ubuntu is for desktops, not production servers. |
| 17:37.21 | unstable | But if your friend wants to be a retard let him. |
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| 17:37.50 | foo | unstable: Gocha. |
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| 17:38.09 | abrotman | regular debian is just as good if not better than ubuntu .. for all reasons :) |
| 17:38.51 | unstable | All Ubuntu does is take unstable, freeze it, squash a ton of bugs, try to make it sort of stable..then release it. |
| 17:39.02 | unstable | That works good for desktops(apparently?) |
| 17:39.08 | unstable | But for production servers, that is the last choice I would take. |
| 17:39.14 | concept10 | unstable, they do a bit more than that |
| 17:39.16 | abrotman | unstable: and patch it .. and include packages debian doesn't .. and make all kinds of other changes |
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| 17:39.25 | unstable | yea, all that other crap |
| 17:40.04 | unstable | They make a lot of guis |
| 17:40.14 | unstable | Like the gui for the ping command, and all that other stuff. |
| 17:40.15 | sehute | Ubuntu are better at userfriendlyness, imho |
| 17:40.15 | concept10 | I use ubuntu on the desktop and sarge for anything else I can manage to fit it on, but lately, I am beginning to believe they are adding some unnecessary stuff |
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| 17:40.42 | JasonX | streuner: ok i have done fdisk -l and pasted in flood |
| 17:40.48 | abrotman | ubuntu is also OT .. if you want to continue talking about it .. go to #ubuntu |
| 17:40.55 | Xenguy | concept10: anything in particular? |
| 17:41.10 | unstable | !ot |
| 17:41.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, ot is off topic |
| 17:41.11 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 17:41.19 | concept10 | I am also unsure about the security awareness of the organization |
| 17:41.30 | abrotman | lalal .. #ubuntu is that way ---> |
| 17:41.37 | unstable | yea, they keep your root password in a system readable plain text file |
| 17:41.39 | unstable | good security |
| 17:42.03 | Juerd | Kept. |
| 17:42.04 | unstable | And what about their names... Ubuntu "Breezy Badger" that sounds like a douche kit brand name sold at a woman's store. |
| 17:42.07 | streuner | JasonX: ok, we need lilo.conf too |
| 17:42.10 | abrotman | hrm .. should i rescue the king trapped in the troll's body with the daughter that is a horse .. or shoot people .... |
| 17:42.11 | Juerd | People make mistakes. And fix them. |
| 17:42.19 | abrotman | unstable: GO TO #ubuntu |
| 17:42.20 | Covener | I've never seen so many stupid people debate such a stupid topic |
| 17:42.27 | Juerd | And when they admit their mistakes, and have fixed them, you may no longer make fun of them. |
| 17:42.28 | abrotman | Covener: VI! |
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| 17:42.43 | wols | unstable: "Debian woody"? they name a businessproduct after a penis?????? |
| 17:42.45 | unstable | !start an editor war |
| 17:42.45 | dpkg | emacs bites |
| 17:42.48 | SlackRat | abrotman, personal experience? i found it more buggy and annoying to run the U distro over Sid.... |
| 17:42.55 | concept10 | Cream for Vim! |
| 17:42.57 | SlackRat | vi bites |
| 17:43.03 | Juerd | wols: After a TOY, you insensible person. |
| 17:43.05 | SlackRat | pico rulez |
| 17:43.12 | abrotman | Covener: feel better now ? |
| 17:43.13 | unstable | pico doesn't exist |
| 17:43.14 | wols | unstable: there is only one thing that makes debian stand out as a server: 3+ years between releases while having a very good security team |
| 17:43.15 | unstable | The new name is nano |
| 17:43.27 | concept10 | just never go into #vim and ask about "Cream" |
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| 17:43.52 | wols | Juerd: how would a businessperson know that? if you ask a layman what a "woody" is, no one says "a character from toystory". they'd just giggle at you |
| 17:44.07 | concept10 | wols, can you expand on the "good security team" ? |
| 17:44.38 | unstable | wols: I agree, a lot of naming on floss software is bad. |
| 17:44.43 | wols | concept10: well, debian has a fairly good reputation in security circles. at least it was rare I've heard something bad about it |
| 17:44.52 | Juerd | wols: Hey, I'm not saying it's a good name :) |
| 17:44.52 | unstable | Like if you tell your manager to use "gimp" instead of photoshop. he laughs at you |
| 17:44.59 | wols | concept10: and no one considers debian insecure either |
| 17:45.00 | concept10 | I was surprised to read that some guy from FreeBSD was asking for donations so he could fund his "Summer of security" |
| 17:45.10 | Juerd | unstable: gee aye em pee ;) |
| 17:45.30 | wols | concept10: that's kinda different. that was Theo :) |
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| 17:45.58 | concept10 | wols, I don't consider Debian insecure, but I have seen some people inserting trojan or whatever you call it in some debian packages |
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| 17:46.11 | Money | i'm reading debian gnu/linux bible, and i'm following the instructions to intsall c++ environment with: |
| 17:46.16 | Juerd | concept10: Were those packages in the official repositories? |
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| 17:46.25 | Money | mqs |
| 17:46.27 | Money | its a long line |
| 17:46.36 | concept10 | Juerd, not official, sorry, I should have said that |
| 17:46.40 | cds | How would I configure webaliser to have seperate logs for different domains? |
| 17:46.49 | wols | concept10: heck debian.org was rooted |
| 17:46.52 | abrotman | !b-e Money |
| 17:46.52 | dpkg | Money: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 17:47.24 | abrotman | wols: iirc .. that was a weak passwd .. coupled with unknown local kernel exploit |
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| 17:47.45 | wols | abrotman: not weak. sniffed afaik |
| 17:47.52 | abrotman | sniffed via ssh ? |
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| 17:48.02 | Tallu | abrotman: a user was first infected, he logged in and thus the credentials were lost |
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| 17:48.08 | wols | abrotman: some insecure client |
| 17:48.17 | abrotman | ah .. a keylogger |
| 17:48.26 | abrotman | i was close though! |
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| 17:48.36 | wols | close but no cigar! :P |
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| 17:49.04 | DevilChaos | eh oh |
| 17:49.25 | Eulex | and no shrubbery |
| 17:49.28 | pavlix | how can I switch off ctrl+alt+backspace? |
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| 17:49.42 | DevilChaos | pavlix cant i dont think |
| 17:49.45 | moshii | pavlix: screwdriver |
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| 17:49.55 | werjk | Anyone have problems viewing mapquest.com images with firefox? |
| 17:49.59 | DevilChaos | or a big sledge hammer |
| 17:50.04 | pavlix | this x-killing shortcut is starting to be quite bad for mi ;-) |
| 17:50.07 | concept10 | pavlix, you may do it, google it |
| 17:50.09 | unstable | pavlix: hack up xorg, then compile it |
| 17:50.16 | unstable | !xorg |
| 17:50.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 17:50.22 | moshii | DevilChaos: sledge hammer would disable the whole keyboard |
| 17:50.27 | concept10 | you dont have to do that unix_infidel |
| 17:50.33 | concept10 | err, unstable |
| 17:50.34 | bbrazil | pavlix: there's an option for it. check the man page |
| 17:50.43 | DevilChaos | yup nut it would be fun.... |
| 17:50.44 | pavlix | bbrazil, thanks |
| 17:50.57 | bbrazil | pavlix: search for 'kill' I think |
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| 17:52.51 | grendelson | I am running through nvidia setup one more time as I appear to hav hit a bug with APIC of vesafb - I get hard locks in X! I already switched card with other 256 MB nvidia, same error |
| 17:53.16 | grendelson | I upgraded to 2.6.15-1-686 and want to reconfigure my kernel as suggested to remove those options. |
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| 17:53.19 | pavlix | Option '34'DontZap'34' '34'boolean'34' |
| 17:53.19 | pavlix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:53.33 | moshii | grendelson: are you using the debian supplied nvidia stuff? |
| 17:53.34 | jayeola | !help |
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| 17:53.46 | grendelson | How do I make sure I use the exact same .config I have now so I can go straight to the options I want to disable and not change anything else? ( |
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| 17:53.51 | unstable | !tell jayeola about ask |
| 17:53.52 | DevilChaos | i get no sound through totem movie player what up with that i get sound through xmms? |
| 17:54.05 | unstable | grendelson: cp /boot/config* /usr/src/linux* |
| 17:54.06 | grendelson | moshii :Yes all debian stuff (ususally use one liner but trying long way now with custom kernel |
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| 17:54.34 | grendelson | unstable Thanks - the /boot/config I'm assumign gets updated when I update a stock kernel? |
| 17:54.44 | moshii | grendelson: your APIC can be turned off with a kernel option |
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| 17:55.02 | moshii | grendelson: no need to reboot |
| 17:55.10 | grendelson | I noted in the long debian nvidia install the note that some folks had lock ups _ I am really hopingits the apic sine if it's not I have a dying Computer :-( |
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| 17:55.13 | moshii | grendelson: s/reboot/rebuild/ |
| 17:55.14 | cyzie | hello. during installation, we need to setup swap space for debian. after we setup debian, if we wanna add more swap space, is it possible to do that? please advice |
| 17:55.30 | jayeola | hey chaps. skidding miserably here. xf86config debain sarge with a thinkpad t21 laptop. |
| 17:55.30 | valdyn | cyzie: yes |
| 17:55.52 | cyzie | valdyn, can you tell me howto do that please? |
| 17:55.58 | Eulex | jayeola, don't use xf86config. |
| 17:56.00 | jayeola | x86config, three attemps and still no x? any offers? |
| 17:56.01 | moshii | cyzie: yes, add the swap in your fstab |
| 17:56.02 | Eulex | !drxx jayeola |
| 17:56.02 | dpkg | jayeola: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:56.14 | valdyn | cyzie: pick a partition to add as swap, mkswap /dev/whatever , add a line to /etc/fstab for that partition |
| 17:56.24 | jayeola | Eulex: huh? |
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| 17:56.36 | grendelson | moshii: The nvidia installer (wiki.debian.org) mentione that bith APIC and vesafb cause trouble and shoul be deselected... can both of them be pulled out without rebuilding? |
| 17:56.51 | Eulex | jayeola, as I said, don't use xf86config. follow dpkg's instructions. |
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| 17:56.57 | unstable | !tell jayeola about drxx |
| 17:57.03 | cyzie | valdyn, the word add, do i get u as in after add, we have 2 swap space. the objective is i wanna append more space to the swap space. is it correct as according to your statement? |
| 17:57.04 | jayeola | ty! |
| 17:57.04 | DevilChaos | rebooting |
| 17:57.11 | jayeola | thank you chaps! |
| 17:57.20 | Eulex | jayeola, yw :) |
| 17:57.29 | valdyn | cyzie: you get another swap partition. |
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| 17:57.51 | moshii | grendelson: if you pass the right things to the kernel, you need the no-apic option and to force the console to vga.. I can't remember the options of the top of my head, google knows though |
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| 17:58.31 | moshii | grendelson: you need to check that you aren't using SBA and Fastwrites too if it's locking up |
| 17:58.34 | grendelson | moshii: google knows all! So I would have to pass kernel options at boot time (like the old scsi ide options) and then add it to grub if I wanted them everytime |
| 17:58.39 | cyzie | valdyn, moshii, i wanna enlarge|append to the current swap space so it is much more. can i still acomplish that? |
| 17:58.52 | moshii | grendelson: yup |
| 17:58.56 | argent | cyzie, do you have any free, unpartitioned space? |
| 17:59.00 | valdyn | cyzie: why would you chose the hard way when it makes no difference? |
| 17:59.13 | moshii | cyzie: you need space to grow the swap into, but yes |
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| 17:59.25 | argent | valdyn, for learning purposes? |
| 17:59.29 | grendelson | But if I just recompile I don't need grub options -- OH BUT grub options will let me use stock kernels even with those options! |
| 17:59.31 | cyzie | argent, moshii yes, i have free but partitioned space |
| 17:59.36 | moshii | valdyn: lot's of swap is good if stuff starts leaking |
| 17:59.36 | valdyn | argent: silly! |
| 17:59.42 | cyzie | argent, you are correct, learning purposes |
| 17:59.51 | argent | cyzie, you can remove the swap partition and create raid or lvm |
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| 17:59.59 | valdyn | moshii: sure, but it irrelevant on how many partitions that space is. |
| 18:00.00 | moshii | cyzie: what fs is running there? |
| 18:00.06 | argent | valdyn, you never learn thing the easy way. |
| 18:00.38 | argent | cyzie, do you have free space immediately after the swap partition? |
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| 18:01.53 | cyzie | moshii, debian ext3 |
| 18:01.53 | argent | cyzie, or even better, paste the result of `sfdisk -l -uM' somewhere on the net |
| 18:01.54 | cyzie | argent, i dotn quite undersatnd your statement |
| 18:01.54 | cyzie | argent, okay |
| 18:01.56 | moshii | cyzie: I think you can resize ext3, you need to google up a resizing howto, shrink that ext3 fs and then grow your swap partition |
| 18:02.12 | cyzie | argent, sfdisk ? |
| 18:02.14 | argent | moshii, there was something like ext3admin or something |
| 18:02.19 | moshii | cyzie: could all end in tears, so you should leave it alone really ;) |
| 18:02.22 | digits | i'm trying to install postfix, but i get an error message that "/etc/postfix/postfix-script" doesn't exist, is there an easy solution for this? |
| 18:02.35 | argent | cyzie, non interactive fdisk sorta thingy |
| 18:03.15 | argent | moshii, i know. and i *have* experienced that sorta thingy |
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| 18:03.36 | cyzie | moshii, argent can you guys show me a good URL on just howto do that ? |
| 18:03.38 | grendelson | moshii: Was that a reason to use kernel options - so you can use stock kernels without constantly recompiling(just making sure i understand) |
| 18:03.50 | argent | cyzie, do what? |
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| 18:04.33 | cyzie | cyzie: I think you can resize ext3, you need to google up a resizing howto, shrink that ext3 fs and then grow your swap partition |
| 18:04.35 | moshii | grendelson: well, it takes seconds to pass no-apic opposed to a few hours to get a custom kernel working |
| 18:04.41 | valdyn | cyzie: its entirely your business, but risking the loss of your data to resize a swap partition is umm, stupid |
| 18:05.09 | cyzie | valdyn, yes, i understand. thanks for your concern. i would not do on live system. it's gonna be on test system. |
| 18:05.16 | grendelson | moshii - I aws thinking more long term. If I need to grab a stock kernel for security - I'd rather apt-get than have to recompile... |
| 18:05.19 | wols | cyzie: use a additional swapfile |
| 18:05.22 | moshii | grendelson: and then if it isn't your apic you've wasted a bunch of time |
| 18:05.38 | argent | cyzie, you can install qtparted which i highly suggest |
| 18:05.46 | grendelson | moshii: TRue - I'll go lookup how tp pass no-apic and no-vesafb to kernel in grub... |
| 18:05.57 | cyzie | argent, thanks. |
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| 18:06.05 | grendelson | moshii: thanks - I was really hoping to avoid recompiling... |
| 18:06.10 | moshii | grendelson: you might be able to turn off your apic in your bios, I can |
| 18:06.13 | argent | grendelson, i think it is noapic and vga=normal |
| 18:06.48 | grendelson | argent: THanks you saved me 10-20 miutes since I'd be googling from console lynx :-) sometimes hard to keep track of where I am ! |
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| 18:07.02 | argent | grendelson, no probs |
| 18:07.16 | argent | !no apic |
| 18:07.19 | cyzie | agent: "I think you can resize ext3, you need to google up a resizing howto, shrink that ext3 fs and then grow your swap partition" <== can you show me a good link on how to do this please? |
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| 18:07.34 | grendelson | argent : WHat was ! no apic? |
| 18:07.47 | sehute | I've used Slackware, Ubuntu and Debian. What is wrong with Gentoo? |
| 18:07.49 | grendelson | is it noapic or !noapic or |
| 18:07.53 | argent | grendelson, i was checking if dpkg knew about no apic |
| 18:08.03 | grendelson | Oh sorry forgot the ! trigger :-) |
| 18:08.13 | argent | !apic |
| 18:08.13 | dpkg | [apic] an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 18:08.35 | grendelson | !vesafb |
| 18:08.36 | dpkg | i guess vesafb is crap, if you compile all the lowlevel text drivers as modules, which happens automagically if you have another fb driver selected as a module. |
| 18:08.44 | grendelson | Nice! |
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| 18:09.19 | Money | dpkg: i already have build essential and its the newst version |
| 18:09.21 | digits | Is there a known bug with postfix and unstable? I don't get a " /etc/postfix/postfix-script" file when i try to install it |
| 18:09.28 | valdyn | !bts |
| 18:09.28 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 18:09.32 | grendelson | so if I pass noapic to kernel - even having it enabled in BIOS , the kernel won't use it and will ignore that BIOS option? |
| 18:09.33 | valdyn | digits: ^^ |
| 18:10.01 | argent | Money, you are talking to a bot! |
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| 18:10.26 | argent | grendelson, yep |
| 18:10.44 | abrotman | Money: what doesn't work ? |
| 18:10.51 | abrotman | Money: were you avont_ the other day? |
| 18:10.56 | digits | valdyn: oh, ahh... ok ;) just thought if there was a common handling error that most noobs do... |
| 18:11.11 | valdyn | grendelson: look into Documentation/kernel-paramters.txt in your kernels source tree |
| 18:11.37 | grendelson | OK now to figure out exactly where to put those in grub and reboot. I just started freezing the other day , swapped nvidia cards and am still freezing (After sucking dust out of suste, |
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| 18:12.30 | grendelson | valdyn: In /usr/src/? |
| 18:12.41 | grendelson | valdyn : Or in /usr/share/doc? |
| 18:12.48 | argent | grendelson, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:13.10 | xdev | hello everybody |
| 18:13.12 | StereoSkit | dudes why is this entrance wrong: deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib ? |
| 18:13.21 | Malder | I am trying to do a netinstall, but it doesn't seem to have drivers for my NIC. I have a disk with linux drivers. How can I get the NIC up and running so I can do a netinstall? |
| 18:13.22 | grendelson | argent : thanks already there - just the format is differetn thatn lilo which I'm more comfortable with :-) |
| 18:13.30 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,unstable |
| 18:13.30 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 18:13.42 | abrotman | Malder: someone asked quite a while ago WHAT NIC? |
| 18:14.02 | Malder | nvidia nforce onboard nic |
| 18:14.03 | argent | grendelson, yep. the format is different. i used to have problems with grub too. but trust me, grub is *MUCH* better |
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| 18:14.04 | grendelson | StereoSkit : unstable doesnt use security I think.. Testing does - look at topic... |
| 18:14.11 | grendelson | argent Oh no argument |
| 18:14.34 | xdev | there is someone that are interested to make a debian-based distro with chess target ??? |
| 18:14.40 | xdev | sorry for my english |
| 18:14.46 | abrotman | Malder: which nforce? |
| 18:14.47 | xdev | i'm italian :( |
| 18:14.56 | Malder | nforce 4 |
| 18:15.10 | streuner | !it |
| 18:15.10 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:15.12 | StereoSkit | actually im in testing now, and my gecko keeps crashing.. well i just decided to move to unstable |
| 18:15.21 | abrotman | your gecko ? |
| 18:15.24 | xdev | thx to dpkg |
| 18:15.36 | Malder | my mobo manual says is it Vitesse VSC8201 |
| 18:16.03 | StereoSkit | abrotman: well, firefox and epiphany are crashing with the same page so i thought the problem was gecko |
| 18:16.07 | abrotman | !tell Malder about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 18:16.25 | abrotman | StereoSkit: upgrading to unstable isn't likely to fix it |
| 18:16.41 | StereoSkit | abrotman:it probably is |
| 18:17.02 | abrotman | probably not |
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| 18:17.13 | StereoSkit | i'd like to try it anyway |
| 18:17.18 | abrotman | ok .. enjoy the pieces |
| 18:17.36 | StereoSkit | so, my question was why this entrance is wrong: deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib |
| 18:17.55 | abrotman | you're clearly not well versed enough with debian to use unstable |
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| 18:18.52 | argent | StereoSkit, there are no security update for unstable |
| 18:18.58 | argent | *updates |
| 18:19.43 | StereoSkit | ok |
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| 18:20.02 | abrotman | StereoSkit: from everything i've heard .. the FF in sid is more broken than the one in etch |
| 18:20.10 | Money | i'm reading debian gnu/linux bible, and i typed: |
| 18:20.12 | Money | mdqs/pq OuXqmgg qmXrs.stpy qmXrs.UUstpy /..stw. /gOS.stw. omudm/pXstpy qmXrs tpS-/ |
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| 18:20.22 | Money | from the book |
| 18:20.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: the ff from upstream isn't less broken |
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| 18:20.24 | Money | but that command didn't work |
| 18:20.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: tha'ts not the point .. |
| 18:20.34 | argent | Money, ????????????????????? |
| 18:20.52 | argent | Money, afaik, there is no such command |
| 18:21.19 | abrotman | Money: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:21.26 | abrotman | Money: were you avont_ the other doay? |
| 18:21.28 | abrotman | day? |
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| 18:21.37 | Money | argent, ye it is, its in the c++ enviroment, in debian gnu/linux bible |
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| 18:22.05 | argent | Money, can you give me the page number? |
| 18:22.23 | Money | yes |
| 18:22.40 | Money | p. 284 |
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| 18:23.17 | abrotman | Money: WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? |
| 18:23.37 | wols | abrotman: my guess is trying to escape from your shouting |
| 18:23.37 | BlackJudas | Can someone help me with some sata issues? I just tried installing sarge to the sata disk (first boot disk) and I had to play around with the mbr since grub thought it was hd3 on install, then it thought it was hd1 on boot, then finally I made it hd0 default. So it booted etc, and worked fine, then I dist-upgraded to sarge (same kernel remained 2.6.8-11), rebooted (since my menu.lst was wrong) and now I get nothing but errors from the kernel on this |
| 18:23.38 | BlackJudas | sata drive, any way I can test that it's actually hardware failure or any kernel command parameters I can pass to have this thing successfully boot? |
| 18:23.54 | thingfish | from the looks of what he typed above, it looks like he's trying to learn !Xhosa. |
| 18:24.00 | BlackJudas | Pardon me, I dist-upgraded to sid. |
| 18:24.03 | abrotman | wols: i'm pretty damn sure it's avont from the other day .. and he refuses to answer questions that help .. and can't read for shit |
| 18:24.04 | Money | by the way, is the debian gnu/linux bible any good? |
| 18:24.07 | sehute | wols: I guess he was trying to escape from your critique of someone shouting. An so one, into infitity! |
| 18:24.10 | sehute | *so on |
| 18:24.14 | thingfish | it is, abrotman. |
| 18:24.40 | argent | Money, i had signed copy from jaldhar ( ;) ) but cant find it |
| 18:25.03 | abrotman | if the tard would just tell us what he's trying to do |
| 18:25.05 | argent | Money, what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:25.25 | wols | Money: apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:25.27 | argent | wb grendelson |
| 18:25.39 | Money | wols: i already have that installed |
| 18:25.40 | argent | !sata |
| 18:25.40 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 18:25.43 | wols | and I want the exact URL of that "debian gnu/linux bible" you used there |
| 18:25.53 | wols | then tell us that URL |
| 18:25.59 | argent | BlackJudas, look at dpkg's post above |
| 18:26.12 | fmasi | how can i find all files left from an apache2 instalation on the system i did apt-get remove it but for ex ther is still /etc/init.d/apache2 in my system |
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| 18:26.19 | fmasi | how to find all of it |
| 18:26.19 | Money | mdqs/pq OuXqmgg qmXrs.stpy qmXrs.UUstpy /..stw. /gOS.stw. omudm/pXstpy qmXrs tpS-/ |
| 18:26.19 | grendelson | OK the reboot seemed to go well... Now I shouldn;t have apic or vesafb installed... |
| 18:26.21 | SlackRat | !troll |
| 18:26.22 | dpkg | [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
| 18:26.28 | grendelson | Now to redo nvidia drover |
| 18:26.30 | abrotman | SlackRat: which one? |
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| 18:26.48 | Money | its suposed to install compents for the c++ enviorment |
| 18:26.48 | grendelson | oooh I hope I don;t lock - if I do then it's hardware :-( |
| 18:26.48 | SlackRat | one guess abrotman, you prolly know, heh |
| 18:26.51 | Malder | abrotman: so you think that if I use this 2.6 install that my NIC will work? |
| 18:27.14 | BlackJudas | argent, thanks. |
| 18:27.20 | grendelson | Hey quick description of difference between APIC and ACPI? they sonfused me in startup screens... |
| 18:27.24 | abrotman | Malder: i don't know much about nvidia hardware .. but you've been so vague .. that's all i could suggest hoping that a newer kenrel would have better driver support for whatever NIC you have |
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| 18:27.35 | grendelson | both power related no? |
| 18:27.43 | SlackRat | altho, youre right, prolly more than one..... |
| 18:28.05 | argent | !acpi |
| 18:28.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 18:28.27 | grendelson | Malder the debian installation guide has great walkthrough on loading net driver for install |
| 18:28.40 | grendelson | argent: so both apic and acpi - just plain broke :-) |
| 18:28.44 | grendelson | great... |
| 18:29.06 | abrotman | grendelson: assuming hsi NIC is supported and the module is compiled for that kernel |
| 18:29.12 | moshii | grendelson: where does it lock up and what AGP driver are you using? |
| 18:29.18 | zsakr | what command to search directory ? |
| 18:29.18 | nipra | http://pastebin.com/634441 What could be the problem? I'm not having problem for kernel version > 2.0 |
| 18:29.31 | Eulex | zsakr, find |
| 18:29.33 | Malder | abrotman: what can I tell you to be more clear? I am running an AMD64 with LANPARTY NF4 Ultra-D mobo |
| 18:29.42 | zsakr | locate? |
| 18:29.44 | Money | so any suggestions |
| 18:29.44 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 18:29.44 | zsakr | also? |
| 18:29.44 | dpkg | i heard sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 18:29.51 | Eulex | zsakr, that too |
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| 18:29.57 | argent | zsakr, find <dir> -name <reg exp for name of file to find> |
| 18:30.02 | grendelson | moshii: it locks in X display - I thought it was only when the screen went black but it locked up last night with screen logged in = perhaps when it tried to blank.... |
| 18:30.15 | grendelson | moshii : I am not sure of AGP driver -w here do I check that? |
| 18:30.46 | moshii | grendelson: /proc/driver/nvidia has a lot of info |
| 18:30.46 | grendelson | moshii : I've been runniing same setup for months with no lockups. I assumed card went bad, and swapped with other nvidia card... |
| 18:30.57 | Eulex | nipra, umh, why are you even using kernel 2.0? |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | Eulex: he's on potato? |
| 18:31.12 | moshii | grendelson: all the nvidia cards I've had have had really shitty fans.. |
| 18:31.27 | Eulex | abrotman, probably |
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| 18:31.35 | abrotman | nipra: what gcc .. gcc -version |
| 18:31.48 | grendelson | Fast Writes: Supported |
| 18:31.48 | grendelson | SBA: Supported |
| 18:31.48 | grendelson | AGP Rates: 4x 2x 1x |
| 18:31.55 | grendelson | sorry ! |
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| 18:32.13 | argent | grendelson, ?? |
| 18:32.20 | nipra | abrotman: gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-13) |
| 18:32.26 | grendelson | moshii : Yeah Every nvidia card I've had has diedd henthe fan went (2 cards - lst one 3rd I hgot fixed by manuf) |
| 18:32.38 | grendelson | argent didn't mean to paste as seperte lines... |
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| 18:32.52 | argent | grendelson, oh |
| 18:33.01 | moshii | grendelson: you should try the nv driver too |
| 18:33.07 | grendelson | so my assumption was the card went again when it locked and Xorg froze cpu at 99%! |
| 18:33.15 | Money | HAHHAH, hhahahahahahahahaha] |
| 18:33.19 | grendelson | moshii - can't play Doom 3 with nv driver :-) |
| 18:33.36 | moshii | grendelson: yeah, it's pretty slow for desktop work too |
| 18:33.49 | moshii | grendelson: thank god I can build the nvidia driver again |
| 18:33.49 | abrotman | grendelson: sure you can .. very slowly |
| 18:33.58 | argent | hey, when i connect to some irc servers they tell me to install identd, what does it do and how do i install it? |
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| 18:34.42 | grendelson | OK gotta go install nvidia again thanks for the help... |
| 18:35.01 | grendelson | abrotman Nice - ooooh a demon oh wait I fired darn now I have to wait for screen to repaint :-) |
| 18:35.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:35.38 | andete | argent: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/networks/connectprob.html |
| 18:35.47 | argent | andete, thanks |
| 18:35.51 | moshii | grendelson: you can play freedoom with software rendering ;) |
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| 18:36.29 | grendelson | moshii : After Doom 3 at 1024x768 that might seem a bit ummm quaint |
| 18:37.08 | moshii | grendelson: eh, Doom 3 or Superfrog on UAE, I know what I would go for |
| 18:37.37 | wols | arrob: get mindetd. tho it's a very sucky thing. idiot irc servers |
| 18:37.37 | wols | *midentd |
| 18:38.21 | argent | wols, found ident2. it can even lie. |
| 18:38.30 | pipeline | liedentd |
| 18:38.51 | wols | midentd too IIRC |
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| 18:39.05 | wols | a identd which can't like by default is pretty useless I guess |
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| 18:39.33 | polopolo | Hello |
| 18:39.49 | Malder | !sarge hardware support |
| 18:39.49 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is probably reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 18:40.10 | polopolo | Can debian read/write fat32 partitions? |
| 18:40.19 | Xteven | has anyone here had a problem using mod_chroot with apache-ssl ? |
| 18:40.23 | bbrazil | polopolo: yes |
| 18:40.25 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 18:40.26 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 18:40.48 | polopolo | Fine :) |
| 18:41.13 | polopolo | Then I can use the same world from OS |
| 18:41.31 | devin_ | I downloaded this rar file. and its asking for a password to extract it? is there anyway around this |
| 18:41.45 | sehute | polopolo: I use ext2 as the cross-plattform filesystem |
| 18:41.51 | sehute | polopolo: works great |
| 18:42.09 | sehute | polopolo: No, ext3, actually |
| 18:42.23 | Malder | grendelson: I cannot find anything in the installation docs about net driver for install |
| 18:42.28 | polopolo | Ah |
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| 18:43.13 | Malder | My NIC works just perfect when I boot Knoppix... if that helps at all... ? |
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| 18:43.28 | abrotman | Malder: the 2.6.15 one doesn't work ? |
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| 18:43.53 | Blissex | sehute: there is also a very good MS Windows driver for 'ext2' amazingly. |
| 18:44.04 | zenwryly | Is there a "Debian way" to install multiple versions of a package? I want to install multiple versions of FF for testing web pages. |
| 18:44.31 | Malder | abrotman: I'm going to try to boot that off my usb drive in a couple minutes... just waiting a couple minutes for d/l |
| 18:45.18 | fr33mind | I have a machine working well with kernel 2.4, this machine has raid pci adapter and sci disks. Kernel 2.6 doesn't work and gives me # prompt. What can I do? |
| 18:45.18 | SlackRat | requires pinning the releases |
| 18:45.51 | Malder | thanks for the help all. |
| 18:46.05 | zood_ | I'm a bit confused, does ntpdate set the hw clock? |
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| 18:46.20 | pipeline | zood_: The hardware clock gets set at boot and shutdown. |
| 18:46.41 | pipeline | zood_: ntpdate sets the kernel's clock, which, eventually, will get saved to the hardware clock. |
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| 18:47.38 | fedya | is there a guide for setting up exim somewhere? |
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| 18:47.45 | argent | !exim |
| 18:47.45 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 18:50.00 | sehute | Blissex: that's the one I'm using :) |
| 18:50.15 | grendelson | I ran through the whole nvidia setup -- still I got an error that the version if the driver and module were different. Do I have to purge something first? |
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| 18:50.52 | grendelson | I've always used one liner but I have a custom XFconfig for nvidia twinview so I like the idea of nvidia-xconfig leaving my file alone... |
| 18:51.22 | chealer9 | grendelson: you use XFree86 |
| 18:52.15 | grendelson | chealer9: Xorg |
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| 18:52.57 | grendelson | when I started gdm I got an error that the module was version 1.8.... but the driver was 1.7.... not sure what I missed... |
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| 18:54.24 | JasonX | can lilo boot a windows-xp install on a drive on the second IDE channel? cos it just seems to hang but lilo deffo all looks fine (checked with other user here) |
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| 18:54.49 | argent | JasonX, you have to hide the first primary drive from windows |
| 18:54.55 | argent | *primary |
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| 18:55.17 | chealer9 | grendelson: OK, I guess you mean s/XFconfig/xorg.conf then :? |
| 18:55.24 | argent | JasonX, like hide (hd0) or something |
| 18:55.34 | JasonX | a lilo command? |
| 18:55.39 | elmopot | any ideas how to troublehooot this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2269 |
| 18:55.48 | elmopot | troubleshoot even |
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| 18:55.54 | argent | JasonX, err.. sorry that was grub. lemme check for lilo |
| 18:56.27 | grendelson | chealer9 : umm one sec |
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| 18:57.25 | ciroro | Hi, I would like to run a virtual machine hosting w98 on my debian server and then VNC to that virtual server. The Debian server itself doesn't have to (for my purposes) run X-windows, which also saves resources. Do you know any software that makes this possible? |
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| 18:57.53 | argent | JasonX, give: disk=/dev/hdb |
| 18:57.53 | argent | bios=0x80 |
| 18:57.53 | argent | disk=/dev/hda |
| 18:57.53 | argent | bios=0x81 |
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| 18:57.59 | grendelson | chealer9 : Yup everything there looks fine. |
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| 18:58.05 | Eulex | ciroro, qemu? vmware? |
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| 18:58.18 | ciroro | Eulex: is it possible to run vmplayer without starting X desktop? |
| 18:58.25 | chealer9 | grendelson: post the output of $ dpkg -l nvidia*|grep ii; |
| 18:58.26 | grendelson | but driver and module version are wrong. Waht shoudl I force reinstall of? nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx? |
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| 18:58.36 | JasonX | windows disk is /dev/hdc linux is hda |
| 18:58.45 | argent | JasonX, just a sec |
| 18:58.50 | Eulex | ciroro, no idea, never used vmware. qemu can do that though, just pass -nographic. |
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| 18:59.22 | ciroro | Eulex: nice; the wikipedia page for QEMU states as a disadvantage "Incomplete support for Microsoft Windows" |
| 18:59.32 | pipeline | ciroro: Use VMware Server instead of VMware Player. |
| 18:59.39 | pipeline | ciroro: Player is pretty lame, really. |
| 18:59.50 | Eulex | ciroro, never heard; it's probably outdated |
| 19:00.06 | ciroro | pipeline: okay, I'll have a look at that one |
| 19:00.08 | ciroro | Eulex: oaky |
| 19:00.09 | pipeline | ciroro: Warning: You need VMware Server installed on both client and server. (Unless you happen to have the VMW GSX client installed) |
| 19:00.16 | grendelson | chealer9 : I posted to flood. I see I have old kernel version still installed, but newest version as well... |
| 19:00.26 | argent | JasonX, http://pastebin.com/634592 |
| 19:00.34 | pipeline | ciroro: I mean, to operate VMWare Server, you have to have a graphical desktop *somewhere*, but it doesn't have to be on the system running VMware. |
| 19:00.35 | ciroro | pipeline: that confuses me :) Why can't I just VNC into that virtual machine? |
| 19:00.38 | argent | JasonX, use that under windows label |
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| 19:00.48 | sasha_ | hello, i've got troubles with GPRS via Siemens ME 75. it seems modem connects, i've receive IP address, DNS servers, i'm able to resolve IP addresses, however everything is really slow, i mean it takes up to minute. i'm playing with GPRS first time |
| 19:00.50 | pipeline | ciroro: Because the VMware protocol does a lot more than just display a remote console. |
| 19:00.51 | ciroro | pipeline: yes, okay; I set it up first and then I transport it to the server |
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| 19:01.14 | pipeline | ciroro: VMware Server runs in the background, and you connect to it using the VMW Server client to administer your VMs. |
| 19:01.21 | typo_ | hi |
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| 19:01.28 | argent | hi typo_ |
| 19:01.29 | zood_ | in the file /etc/default/rcS there is the option UTC=no and in the file it says this is for the "system clock". Does this mean the kernel clock or the hw clock? |
| 19:01.35 | ciroro | pipeline: okay, thanks |
| 19:01.39 | grendelson | chealer9 : Oh maybe I need to update nvidia-common it seems like that would be a dependency.. |
| 19:01.43 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:01.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:01.49 | chealer9 | grendelson: you have to tell *before* pasting to #flood on IRC |
| 19:01.50 | ciroro | pipeline: is vmware workstation even better? |
| 19:01.52 | Eulex | ciroro, oh, the wikipedia states that qemu has incomplete for windows as a *host* operating system. that's true. |
| 19:02.00 | typo_ | how can i add new ttf fonts to my X server? i just tried creating a directory in /usr/share/fonts/truetype and putitng them there, and then issuing xset fp rehash |
| 19:02.03 | chealer9 | grendelson: which kernel do you use? |
| 19:02.07 | chealer9 | !abrotmoo |
| 19:02.08 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 19:02.10 | typo_ | but i don't see a font cache showing up there |
| 19:02.12 | JasonX | argent OK - i will go try it |
| 19:02.21 | grendelson | chealer9 :oops |
| 19:02.22 | valdyn | typo_: ~/.fonts/ |
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| 19:02.26 | ciroro | Eulex: ah, my fault, thank you |
| 19:02.26 | pipeline | ciroro: Heh. VMware Workstation does some things that Server doesn't, and Server does some things that Workstation doesn't. I upgraded from workstation to server the moment that I got a chance. I like Server a lot better, even though it's a free product :P |
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| 19:02.33 | chealer9 | grendelson: use a paster if you can |
| 19:02.40 | grendelson | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 19:02.41 | typo_ | valdyn: and after that i do xset fp rehash ? |
| 19:02.46 | valdyn | typo_: nope |
| 19:02.52 | grendelson | !paster |
| 19:02.52 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 19:03.02 | typo_ | valdyn: and it will work immediately ? |
| 19:03.07 | valdyn | typo_: yes |
| 19:03.21 | chealer9 | grendelson: nvidia-kernel-common is useless for the current driver under Linux 2.6 |
| 19:03.22 | ciroro | pipeline: that's just plain silly :) |
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| 19:03.26 | typo_ | cool |
| 19:03.27 | pipeline | ciroro: Workstation does snapshot trees, background snapshotting, and "teams". Server gives you the vmware daemon and remote administration. |
| 19:03.38 | ciroro | pipeline: server it is :) |
| 19:03.42 | pipeline | ciroro: No, it's not silly. I never used any of the features in workstation, and server does things that I really need :P |
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| 19:04.45 | sehute | vim! :) |
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| 19:04.50 | ciroro | pipeline: yeah, it just that you would think the paid version does all the free stuff and even more |
| 19:04.55 | grendelson | chealer9 : I pasted . |
| 19:05.00 | grendelson | Not sure what I did.... |
| 19:05.01 | grendelson | :-) |
| 19:05.01 | ciroro | pipeline: well it saves me money anyway, thanks |
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| 19:05.08 | chealer9 | grendelson: what URL? |
| 19:05.27 | grendelson | chealer9 : I thought I did I'll try again (not as easy in console ... |
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| 19:05.51 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2270. |
| 19:05.58 | pipeline | ciroro: What's REALLY silly is that they continue to sell GSX. |
| 19:05.59 | grendelson | chealer9: there we go! |
| 19:06.18 | pipeline | ciroro: I don't think GSX does *anything* that Server doesn't. Server is basically the new version of GSX. But GSX costs loads of money and Server is free :P |
| 19:06.32 | ciroro | well server is a beta version |
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| 19:06.38 | grendelson | chealer9 : sorry I thought selecting #debian in paster posted URL here ... |
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| 19:06.50 | abrotman | grendelson: it used to |
| 19:06.56 | simonrvn | it should have |
| 19:07.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: had to remove it .. yay gnaa |
| 19:07.08 | Eulex | grendelson, until people started abusing it |
| 19:07.09 | simonrvn | :| |
| 19:07.15 | chealer9 | grendelson: the URL seems to be to let me paste new stuff |
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| 19:07.37 | grendelson | chealer9 : Do you see the output? |
| 19:07.55 | chealer9 | grendelson: nevermind, the final dot confused my IRC client |
| 19:08.21 | grendelson | Eulex Darn abusers |
| 19:08.44 | grendelson | chealer9: any clues -lots of packages... I see both versions it's griping about... |
| 19:09.01 | grendelson | perhaps jsut remove all versions and grab again? |
| 19:09.15 | chealer9 | grendelson: yes. please paste the error you get |
| 19:09.17 | Malagmyr | Is there a common way to figure out what distro a remote server is running? |
| 19:09.23 | JasonX | argent: running lilo command gives a syntax error on the first of those 4 lines from pastebin |
| 19:09.24 | Malagmyr | I have root access... |
| 19:09.30 | chealer9 | grendelson: that should not be needed |
| 19:09.45 | simonrvn | you don't need root access to figure that out |
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| 19:10.27 | grendelson | chealer9: Ok wait one - I saw the error in a popup,,, I'll look for error file |
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| 19:10.33 | simonrvn | chances are he *doesn't* have a big dick, if he has to get a nick like that |
| 19:10.38 | hedpe_ | I have an external hard disk with 20GB free, i need to create a full backup of a directory in .tar.bz2 format, which will be about 9GB total, however the external disk is FAT32, therefore no file can be greater than 4GB... how can i tell tar to split the file up on the 3.9GB limit? |
| 19:10.38 | abrotman | oh this looks promising |
| 19:10.39 | Malagmyr | simonrvn: how is it done, then? |
| 19:10.44 | simonrvn | !version |
| 19:10.44 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 19:11.10 | simonrvn | if it doesn't have that run lsb_release |
| 19:11.14 | streuner | simonrvn: haha |
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| 19:11.52 | simonrvn | if it doesn't have that, like for reelvant files in /etc/ and cat /proc/version helps |
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| 19:12.08 | argent | hedpe_, tar -cjvf - <directory> | split -a 3 -b <max size off file in bytes> <prefix> |
| 19:13.09 | simonrvn | s/like/look/ |
| 19:13.15 | hedpe_ | argent: will that create the full 9GB first, and then split it? |
| 19:13.19 | hedpe_ | or split it as it creates it? |
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| 19:13.56 | asdfwea | "amarokapp: symbol lookup error: amarokapp: undefined symbol: _ZN11KSystemTray9setPixmapERK7QPixmap" |
| 19:14.01 | asdfwea | anyone help |
| 19:14.38 | simonrvn | missing a library, or bad build |
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| 19:14.52 | asdfwea | simonrvn is libqt.mt.so.3 |
| 19:15.08 | abrotman | doesn't mean it's the right version |
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| 19:15.19 | abrotman | asdfwea: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:15.37 | joeyjones | my server is killing ym router! |
| 19:15.49 | abrotman | good |
| 19:15.52 | joeyjones | my router can't handle a 4mb/s dl |
| 19:16.05 | Daveman | haha, abrotman :) |
| 19:16.08 | joeyjones | 600kbytes/s |
| 19:16.22 | DevilChaos | :o) |
| 19:16.39 | argent | hedpe_, split as it creates |
| 19:16.47 | sehute | vim>emacs |
| 19:16.49 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2271 |
| 19:17.00 | grendelson | chealer9 : there is the output |
| 19:17.17 | wols | joeyjones: and now you see why consumer routers suck |
| 19:17.28 | simonrvn | hard. on hairy donkey balls |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | or maybe he should fix his MTU |
| 19:17.32 | grendelson | I can't seem to capture the driver mismatch error - it's in popup like console window. |
| 19:17.36 | wols | the only affordable router is a debian system running on a old PC |
| 19:17.55 | joeyjones | wols: maybe i shouldn't use an smc router |
| 19:18.00 | joeyjones | then again the linksys broke |
| 19:18.05 | chealer9 | grendelson: is the nvidia kernel module loaded? |
| 19:18.06 | pipeline | consumer-grade routers are shit. |
| 19:18.10 | pipeline | Either use a PC or buy the real deal. |
| 19:18.12 | wols | no consumer router is good. haveN't seen one yet |
| 19:18.14 | pipeline | Used Crisco on ebay is like, 150$ |
| 19:18.16 | simonrvn | with 128 MB ram to handle extra routes ;) |
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| 19:18.21 | wols | they pinch on memory and CPU power |
| 19:18.22 | DevilChaos | pipeline why are they shit? |
| 19:18.33 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Lousy software loadouts, lousy engineering. |
| 19:18.38 | chealer9 | grendelson: that error seems sufficient...you don't need another one :/ |
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| 19:18.47 | pipeline | DevilChaos: They do half as much as decent gear, half as well. |
| 19:18.49 | joeyjones | cisco are top of the line routers |
| 19:18.50 | JasonX | can lilo boot a windows-xp install on a drive on the second IDE channel? cos it just seems to hang but lilo deffo all looks fine (checked with other user here) |
| 19:18.58 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 19:18.59 | pipeline | joeyjones: Cisco makes shitty routers, too. And used, they're halfway affordable. |
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| 19:19.13 | joeyjones | they're astill the best of the shit |
| 19:19.15 | wols | pipeline: the software on some improves: they started to use linux. but they won't improve hardware since that'd cost money |
| 19:19.20 | pipeline | DevilChaos: I'd rather have a 68k-based Cisco than deal with an SH4-based Linksys. And, dollars to donuts, the Cisco will handle more traffic, despite having 1/4th the CPU power. |
| 19:19.35 | simonrvn | just because "everyone uses them" doesn't mean they're good, just means they have a large advertising budget |
| 19:19.40 | grendelson | chealer9 : oops I added nvidia to modules, but I might still be running previous module loaded at reboot? |
| 19:19.49 | DevilChaos | ah not nats |
| 19:19.59 | pipeline | simonrvn: I don't think that's a fair assesment of Cisco. They really ARE that much better than the budget garbage. :\ |
| 19:20.01 | chealer9 | grendelson: possibly |
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| 19:20.22 | wols | grendelson: rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia |
| 19:20.22 | DevilChaos | uk they are called routers |
| 19:20.37 | wols | pipeline: as if that were hard to do |
| 19:20.43 | DevilChaos | technically not the correct term |
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| 19:20.58 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Consumer-grade routers frequently have RIPv1 support, which, technically, makes them routers. |
| 19:21.14 | grendelson | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-8178 Wed Dec 14 16:22:51 PST 2005 |
| 19:21.21 | grendelson | ahah that seems better one sec |
| 19:21.26 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Routers capable of the lousiest protocol ever devised, holding onto one or two routes, but routers nevertheless. I prefer to call them "residential gateways", as they're totally useless for actual routing. |
| 19:21.41 | DevilChaos | pipeline:lol |
| 19:21.45 | simonrvn | pipeline: no fucking kidding |
| 19:22.07 | simonrvn | i tried to, then i saw "RIP1" i went "WTF?! this is crap!?" |
| 19:22.10 | pipeline | simonrvn: I thought your comment was targetted at people who buy Cisco because everyone uses Cisco. |
| 19:22.17 | ciroro | pipeline: for that VMWare setup, I need the Windows VMware Server console on my own personal workstation, and install WMware server for linux on the server, right? |
| 19:22.27 | simonrvn | it was. |
| 19:22.31 | pipeline | ciroro: Yeah. Unless you can find a download of the GSX client. |
| 19:22.31 | wols | pipeline: I like that term |
| 19:22.44 | Elly | hey guys |
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| 19:22.53 | Elly | what should I have in my sources.list to use the main debian mirror? |
| 19:22.53 | DevilChaos | pipline: sorry i shoud have said the firewall router type here not proper routers for routing bet traffic i thought you meant |
| 19:22.54 | JasonX | anyone managed to get lilo to boot linux on master drive on ide channel1 and windows on master drive on ide channel 2? |
| 19:23.03 | pipeline | simonrvn: Yeah, well, I don't agree with that assessment. I'm not going to say that Cisco will beat out the other high-end vendors, but I'll take Cisco over Dell or HP any day of the week, budget allowing :\ |
| 19:23.05 | simonrvn | it should actually be good h/w, i don't care what your name is |
| 19:23.05 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 19:23.07 | DevilChaos | net |
| 19:23.32 | simonrvn | pipeline: ^^^ |
| 19:23.33 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Heh, the "firewalls" aren't even firewalls, though. Most of them can't do any filtering. |
| 19:23.40 | wols | simonrvn: I wouldn't say it's bad hardware from cisco. it's just the price of it that's the problem |
| 19:23.58 | pipeline | simonrvn: The name matters. Cisco and Juniper their own engineering. Dell and HP rebrand switches made by two bit Taiwanese OEMs. |
| 19:24.10 | DevilChaos | mines ok i think |
| 19:24.11 | hedpe_ | argent: i am trying what you said, but its not quite working right... for example, my directory is "hostset2", and i want to put the split files on "/mnt/external/" ... so i'm trying "tar -cjvf - hostset2 | split -a 3 -b 3900m log_files.tar.bz2" but i get "split: log_files.tar.bz2: No such file or directory" ... do i need to replace your "-" after "-cjvf" with log_files.tar.bz2 ? |
| 19:24.20 | DevilChaos | netgear router |
| 19:24.35 | wols | DevilChaos: didn't you listen? |
| 19:25.01 | DevilChaos | yes |
| 19:25.11 | \amethyst | hedpe_: you need to hive a - argument to split |
| 19:25.32 | \amethyst | hedpe_: or do what you suggest, but then you won't be using a pipe |
| 19:25.40 | \amethyst | s/hi/gi/ |
| 19:25.50 | simonrvn | you're not giving me a good enough reason to re-consider my statement. try harder ;) |
| 19:26.06 | grendelson | chealer9 : Ok I wrote the error: Error: AP mismatch NVidia kernel module si version 1.0.8178 but this library is version 1.0.7174 please be sure your modules are NV drivers are same version (not verbatim) |
| 19:26.19 | hedpe_ | \amethyst: well, ok i understand if i need it, but why am i getting that error with it |
| 19:26.23 | simonrvn | i'm a fucking stubborn bastard |
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| 19:26.29 | grendelson | So I'm guessing the modules loaded in kernel is OK but the nvidia-glx is older version? |
| 19:26.33 | simonrvn | *GRIN* |
| 19:27.02 | \amethyst | hedpe_: With the pipe you posted, tar is producing its output to stdout, but split is looking for its input in the file log_files.tar.bz2 |
| 19:27.49 | gnufan | pipeline: cisco own linksys, isn't this conversation comparing apples with apples ;) |
| 19:27.53 | JasonX | lilo sux |
| 19:28.01 | pipeline | gnufan: No. |
| 19:28.02 | hedpe_ | \amethyst: so do i not specify an input file? if not, how do i tell it where to put the destination stuff? |
| 19:28.14 | simonrvn | nah, just means more money in their pocket |
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| 19:28.15 | pipeline | gnufan: Products that get the "linksys" brand name aren't good enough to be sold with the Cisco name :\ |
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| 19:28.29 | \amethyst | hedpe_: split can take two arguments: the first specifying the input, and the second specifying the base for the split files |
| 19:28.36 | daeos | i hate windows and i hate restore disks |
| 19:28.47 | \amethyst | hedpe_: so you can so split -a 3 -b 3900m - log_files.tar.bz2. |
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| 19:29.03 | DevilChaos | daeos : i agree |
| 19:29.03 | \amethyst | hedpe_: and it will create log_files.tar.bz2.aaa, .aab, and so forth |
| 19:29.20 | gnufan | pipeline: not all cisco products are very good, their firewall range (again a bought in product range initially) is universally reviled for its SMTP proxy -- what a protocol to mess up on. |
| 19:29.24 | hedpe_ | \amethyst: ahh, thank you very much... i was missing the - in the split |
| 19:29.35 | \amethyst | hedpe_: note the period after bz2 |
| 19:29.50 | \amethyst | hedpe_: without it, they'll be .tar.bz2aaa, .bz2aab, and so on |
| 19:30.10 | pipeline | gnufan: Oh christ, are you talking about the PIX line? *shudder* |
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| 19:30.21 | ooo- | hi rcp uses .rhosts AND hosts.allow/equiv, or only rhosts? |
| 19:30.24 | gnufan | pipeline: yeap.... |
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| 19:31.03 | chealer9 | grendelson: it looks like that, yes |
| 19:31.04 | zood_ | So my hwclock is set to UTC but when I run `date` I'm also getting the UTC time despite the fact that I've selected a timezone other than UTC in every way I can find. Could anyone point me to some info on how to fix this? |
| 19:31.10 | gnufan | pipeline: but hey I'm biased I was selling Watchguard in the UK... can'tr speak for Rusty Russell but I was doing it for the money ;) |
| 19:31.25 | pipeline | gnufan: No, PIX's really do suck pretty bad :P |
| 19:31.37 | pipeline | gnufan: they're easy to set up, and that's the only good thing I have to say about the producct |
| 19:31.44 | grendelson | chealer9 : But looking at the putput of the installed nvidia packages - it looks like I only have the 1.0.8 glx version? |
| 19:31.50 | ooo- | anyone? |
| 19:32.00 | gnufan | pipeline: Watchguard were great till they went public -- kind of like Google and their "do no evil"... |
| 19:32.16 | \amethyst | ooo-: If you're running the server from inetd with TCP wrappers, which is the usual case, it checks hosts.* |
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| 19:32.29 | ooo- | \amethyst so what .rhosts is for |
| 19:32.35 | \amethyst | ooo-: Per-use |
| 19:32.36 | \amethyst | r |
| 19:32.40 | chealer9 | grendelson: yes, 1.0.8178. try looking for filenames containing 7174 on your computer |
| 19:32.57 | \amethyst | ooo-: Because just because your sysadmin allows connections from my computer doesn't me you want me to be able to log in as you |
| 19:33.00 | gnufan | ooo-: people who haven't caughtt up with the 21st century -- thats what .rhosts is for |
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| 19:33.02 | grendelson | chealer : right one sec |
| 19:33.23 | \amethyst | ooo-: Nowadays it can use Kerberos as well |
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| 19:33.54 | zood_ | To phrase that more specifically, how do I make it so that time reported by `date` is not the same as the hwclock time but is rather shifted from my hwclock setting according to my locale? |
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| 19:34.03 | \amethyst | ooo-: Is there some reason you need to use rcp/rsh and not scp/ssh ? |
| 19:34.25 | gnufan | zood_: you set a timezone. |
| 19:34.26 | ooo- | \amethyst there is a question from some test |
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| 19:34.31 | ooo- | and its unclear what should be the correct answer |
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| 19:34.37 | simonrvn | zood_: timezone, not locale |
| 19:34.45 | \amethyst | ooo-: read the documentation for rsh then |
| 19:35.02 | zood_ | gnufan, simonrvn, using tzselect? |
| 19:35.07 | simonrvn | zood_: TZ env var on a per-user basis; tzconfig system-wide |
| 19:35.11 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hey all I am running pure debian and am trying to get my printer (canon mp130) to work. The only place I found where someone had it working was on the linespire forms http://forum.linspire.com/viewtopic.php?t=416403& however I tried the install they said and all the printers were gone from the kde control panel when I tried to configur the printer, so I uninstalled the drivers. Does anyone have any advice to offer? Thanks |
| 19:35.23 | ooo- | \amethyst the man page takes you to ssh man page.. |
| 19:35.48 | \amethyst | ooo-: You'll need more than just the man page |
| 19:36.19 | zood_ | gnufan, simonrvn, when I run tzconfig it says that my timezone is America/Chicago and yet `date` still returns the same time as `hwclock` |
| 19:36.21 | gnufan | zood_: using tzconfig not tzselect |
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| 19:36.47 | chealer9 | Gokee2_Laptop: buy from decent companies :) |
| 19:36.51 | \amethyst | ooo-: hm... maybe you don't have a real rsh installed? |
| 19:36.53 | gnufan | zood_: getting it right during installation also helps ;) |
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| 19:37.26 | ooo- | \amethyst nope |
| 19:37.27 | zood_ | gnufan, I've got about 6 different debian systems and every single one has problems with the time... :( |
| 19:37.28 | Gokee2_Laptop | chealer9, I got a great deal ($10) new with print cartreges |
| 19:37.35 | gnufan | zood_: I use to understand Unix timezones, and then it got more complicated. |
| 19:37.38 | ciroro | pipeline: it works! amazing :] |
| 19:37.43 | simonrvn | i stick it on UTC, and set my TZ in my shell rc files |
| 19:38.11 | \amethyst | ooo-: maybe search the web for rsh or rshd documentation? |
| 19:38.12 | pipeline | ciroro: heh, no, ESX is amazing :P |
| 19:38.14 | simonrvn | 'cartridge' |
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| 19:38.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | simonrvn, ya that thingy |
| 19:38.28 | gnufan | zood_: I've got a few more Debian systems, and they all have the right timezone stuff, all run NTP, and run ntpdate on boot... But then living half the year in GMZ makes it 50% easier ;) |
| 19:38.35 | ciroro | pipeline: I'm going trought multiple stages of amazingness; what does that have additional? |
| 19:38.38 | Gokee2_Laptop | simonrvn, you know of a way to print to it? |
| 19:38.46 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:38.55 | \amethyst | ooo-: btw, what kind of test has questions on rsh? |
| 19:38.59 | pipeline | ciroro: ESX will blow your fucking mind. |
| 19:39.04 | simonrvn | since i'm not payng any particular attention to the isue |
| 19:39.11 | simonrvn | paying, issue |
| 19:39.13 | pipeline | ciroro: Server / Workstation / GSX are all very similar. |
| 19:39.24 | zood_ | gnufan, simonrvn, if I've set the timezone using tzconfig why would date and hwclock return the same time? |
| 19:39.42 | gnufan | \amethyst: must be one to see whether you really are as experienced on Unix as your CV claims ;) |
| 19:39.54 | simonrvn | because you haven't logged out yet. why log out, to reset your environment |
| 19:40.27 | \amethyst | gnufan: Shouldn't there be an option "I deliberately purged my mind of this information when the 21. century rolled around"? |
| 19:40.31 | zood_ | simonrvn, hmmmm I'll try one more time but I've logged in and out about 8 times now |
| 19:40.41 | ciroro | pipeline: is it in comparison with my discoveries of the programs "screen", "vmware player" and now "vmware server"? :] |
| 19:41.00 | simonrvn | then he's doing something wrong... |
| 19:41.05 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2273 |
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| 19:41.12 | grendelson | chealer : finally sorry |
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| 19:41.19 | grendelson | was running updatedb forever! |
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| 19:41.44 | grendelson | chealer9: they are all in /var/cache - maybe a reboot (ooh that feels so M$) |
| 19:41.54 | pipeline | ciroro: ESX lets you do things like migrate a VM from one server to another without stopping it :P |
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| 19:42.17 | grendelson | chealer9 : interesting none of them match my running kernel |
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| 19:42.58 | ciroro | pipeline: I hope it ships with a new server |
| 19:42.58 | pipeline | ciroro: ESX makes it easy to boot VMs from SAN |
| 19:43.02 | grendelson | pipeline We run ~100 win servers on 3 ESX (redhat custom linux kernels) 16 cpu servers |
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| 19:43.12 | gnufan | \amethyst: no -- you might have to become a Baan consultant -- I know it isn't pleasant, but hey we have to put bread on the table ;) |
| 19:43.24 | plb | woah! amarok 2.0 just got released..nice! |
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| 19:43.36 | pipeline | grendelson: hawt |
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| 19:43.58 | zood_ | Even after logging in out and my clock is still set to the hw clock time despite using tzconfig to set timezone... :/ |
| 19:44.14 | gnufan | zood_: does your system have its hwclock set to GMT, and does Debian know this (see man tzconfig). |
| 19:44.15 | chealer9 | grendelson: I was looking for some 7174 libraries. these files are harmless |
| 19:44.31 | \amethyst | gnufan: The correct answer should at least include acknowledgement of the security implications of the way rsh works though :) |
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| 19:45.07 | gnufan | \amethyst: I assume BAAN users don't care, or haven't noticed, and I thought "changeoninstall" was a hideous security issue ;) |
| 19:45.07 | \amethyst | zood_: do you have UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS ? |
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| 19:45.28 | zood_ | gnufan, my hwclock is reading UTC time (about 19:44 right now?) and I've set "UTC=yes" inside of /etc/default/rcS. Is there something else I need to do? |
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| 19:45.45 | \amethyst | zood_: and what is the exact output of date? |
| 19:45.49 | Malagmyr | How can I be a bastard and watch every command a user runs on my box? |
| 19:45.54 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I've purchased some e1000 gigabit network cards. However, when I insert those cards to my nat/router and try to load the appropriate module via modconf, it fails. (message tells to chech if device is inserted and so on.) What can be wrong? I'm sure I'm trying to load the correct module. My kernel version is 2.4.26 |
| 19:45.59 | grendelson | chealer9 : I just noticed when I run m-a prepare I get errors that /usr/src/2.6.8 contains unconfigured kernel source as well as other about linx-OLDVESION...... |
| 19:45.59 | \amethyst | zood_: does it list the timezone? |
| 19:46.09 | zood_ | \amethyst, Sat Apr 1 19:45:44 UTC 2006 |
| 19:46.11 | gnufan | zood_: when you say "UTC=yes" did you just set it now, or before the machines last reboot? |
| 19:46.13 | grendelson | chealer9: Is m-a prepare running or are those errors OK? |
| 19:46.14 | \amethyst | zood_: hmm. |
| 19:46.19 | \amethyst | zood_: Is the TZ variable set? |
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| 19:46.31 | zood_ | gnufan, I've rebooted multiple times since any changes |
| 19:46.41 | daeos | DevilChaos: you would be pissed if what happened to me, happened to you |
| 19:46.43 | ciroro | pipeline, grendelson: there really is an entire world out there for the regular desktop user :) |
| 19:46.43 | \amethyst | zood_: so the time is right, but it's not listening to your tzconfig for some reason |
| 19:47.01 | gnufan | zood_: can you paste the whole output of "date" and also "set | grep TZ" |
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| 19:47.11 | \amethyst | gnufan: already posted date |
| 19:47.17 | chealer9 | grendelson: that seems abnormal, but shouldn't cause 7174 to look installed |
| 19:47.17 | zood_ | \amethyst, TZ variable set where? |
| 19:47.28 | \amethyst | zood_: echo $TZ |
| 19:47.35 | \amethyst | in the shell date is running from |
| 19:47.36 | grendelson | Version 1.0.8178-2+2.6.15-8 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-686 already installed, skipping. |
| 19:47.39 | zood_ | gnufan, full output of date is above. One sec on other stuff |
| 19:47.48 | grendelson | That was the result of m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 19:47.56 | Den-Dens | hy |
| 19:48.04 | zood_ | \amethyst echo $TZ returns nothing |
| 19:48.33 | zood_ | gnufan, set | grep TZ returns nothing |
| 19:48.35 | gnufan | zood_: "ls -l /etc/localtime" |
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| 19:48.55 | zood_ | ls: /etc/localtime: No such file or directory |
| 19:49.04 | simonrvn | ok, something's fucked |
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| 19:49.29 | Den-Dens | what is the easyst way to install an nvidia driver for debian (i've tryed the standard one from nvidia.com but that one doesn't work (or so it seems)) |
| 19:49.47 | \amethyst | zood_: when you run tzconfig, it should print your current zone---what does it say there? |
| 19:49.54 | Juul_ | i seem to remember there being a package in debian that you can apt-get and it will cause a lot of standard development utils like gcc, make and libc to be installed. |
| 19:49.57 | grendelson | chealer9 : I'm purgin nvidia-glx - it has a weird {p} after it in aptitiude |
| 19:50.04 | Juul_ | what is the name of the package? |
| 19:50.10 | simonrvn | !b-e Juul_ |
| 19:50.10 | dpkg | Juul_: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 19:50.15 | zood_ | tzonfig says, Your current time zone is set to America/Chicago |
| 19:50.20 | Juul_ | aah thanks |
| 19:50.25 | zood_ | then asks if I want to change it |
| 19:50.36 | \amethyst | zood_: so /etc/timezone is there but /etc/localtime isn't? |
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| 19:50.52 | gnufan | zood_: lack of /etc/localtime is the problem -- are you running tzconfig as root. is there a /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago file? |
| 19:50.59 | grendelson | http://ftp.debian.org testing/non-free nvidia-glx 1.0.8178-2 |
| 19:51.06 | grendelson | Now we're on to something... |
| 19:51.06 | hanasaki | what is mcop? is it part of kde? |
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| 19:51.15 | \amethyst | zood_: try: ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/`cat /etc/timezone` /etc/localtime |
| 19:51.15 | zood_ | \amethyst, that is correct |
| 19:51.23 | JasonX | streuner: Thx for your help, i ate my dinner which was very nice then tried your last suggestion`boot-as=0x80 in menu 'other'` which did the trick - u rok |
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| 19:51.32 | \amethyst | zood_: assuming the file gnufan asked you about is there |
| 19:51.48 | zood_ | gnufan, /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago does exist |
| 19:52.13 | \amethyst | zood_: then make /etc/localtime a link to it and you should be set |
| 19:52.15 | gnufan | zood_: well go with \amethyst suggested command then |
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| 19:52.51 | zood_ | \amethyst, I guess I need to log in and out after that right? |
| 19:52.57 | \amethyst | zood_: probably not |
| 19:53.01 | \amethyst | zood_: try running date |
| 19:53.02 | gnufan | zood_: I don't think so |
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| 19:53.14 | zood_ | Nice, reading correct now |
| 19:53.17 | \amethyst | rock |
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| 19:53.37 | Sonarman_ | just upgraded to kernel 2.6.16. all of a sudden my ipod is not automatically recognized as a mass storage device, and the sd* device nodes aren't created. kernel log says "no configuration chosen from 2 choices". in /proc/bus/usb/devices, i can see that the device supports both a storage and an HID configuration. does anyone have any idea how i might tell the kernel to select the storage configuration, so that the scsi devic |
| 19:53.38 | dvs | dvs rokcs |
| 19:53.39 | grendelson | chealer9 : I reinstalled nvidia-glx, modprobe nvidia, restate gdm and still got API mismatch - it still tells me I have driver version 1.0.7174! module version 1.0.8178... darn! |
| 19:53.45 | dvs | rocks even |
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| 19:54.26 | grendelson | chealer : I'll probably have to go back a kernel version (2.6.12) and add noapic and vga=normal to its start lines and try again.... |
| 19:54.36 | gnufan | zood_: I wonder -- I think there must be a tzconfig bug... Can you show me " dpkg -l libc6 |
| 19:54.36 | gnufan | " |
| 19:54.43 | zood_ | Thanks for the help. Wonder why I'm always having these problems on all my systems |
| 19:55.01 | chealer9 | grendelson: check the "Hardware acceleration, aka direct rendering, doesn't work" section of the Debian NVIDIA graphics drivers guide. you should check that your shared libraries symlinks are pointing to the right files |
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| 19:55.14 | simonrvn | zood_: what's installed on those things? sarge, etch? |
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| 19:55.24 | grendelson | chealer9: Thanks for all the help - I have to go do stuff with kids now ! I'll finish this later tonight - maybe just let one-liner run and (OK I'll check that) |
| 19:55.27 | Den-Dens | sonarman: i upgraded to the 2.6.16 kernel to today and i must say their was a lot of weird things going on with my desktop as well |
| 19:55.29 | chealer9 | grendelson: why :? |
| 19:55.32 | zood_ | gnufan, was there something specific from there you wanted or should I paste it somewhere? |
| 19:55.43 | gnufan | zood_: just the version number |
| 19:55.45 | zood_ | simonrvn, sarge on all systems. |
| 19:56.05 | zood_ | gnufan, libc6 version 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 19:56.08 | chealer9 | grendelson: the one-liner is particularly useless. installing and maintaining the NVIDIA graphics drivers is more complex than a one-liner |
| 19:56.09 | Sonarman_ | Den-Dens: heh |
| 19:56.09 | simonrvn | !find bin/tzconfig |
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| 19:56.25 | Sonarman_ | so far i haven't had any other major issues |
| 19:56.32 | gnufan | simonrvn: libc6 |
| 19:56.41 | gnufan | simonrvn: at least in sid |
| 19:56.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tzconfig' (1): (/usr/sbin/tzconfig) in libs/libc6. |
| 19:56.57 | simonrvn | !find bin/tzconfig sarge |
| 19:57.06 | simonrvn | probably the same there too |
| 19:57.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tzconfig' (1): (/usr/sbin/tzconfig) in base/libc6. |
| 19:58.01 | hanasaki | i am in gnome on etch and when i run gxine i get this... can't create mcop directory |
| 19:58.03 | rainy-day | hi, i ran into a bit of trouble, my screen gets corrupted when I run xorg with ati driver, i have ati rage 128 card.. |
| 19:58.04 | hanasaki | whats up? |
| 19:58.43 | hanasaki | try vesa rainy-day |
| 19:58.55 | rainy-day | okay thanks |
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| 19:59.12 | hanasaki | its not ati.. but should work |
| 19:59.22 | hanasaki | i had an ati.. sold it to get nv.. owrks great |
| 19:59.37 | cshaman_ | hello all |
| 19:59.43 | cshaman_ | i'm having trouble using the "date" program |
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| 20:00.00 | cshaman_ | how can i reset the time? |
| 20:00.06 | grendelson | chealer9: when I run glxinfo I get Error: unable to open display (null) |
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| 20:00.24 | zood_ | Perhaps off topic but the my kde panel clock is refusing to display anything other than UTC time. |
| 20:00.26 | rainy-day | hanasaki: i have nvidia as a second card here.. the next step for me is to set up xinerama |
| 20:00.39 | zood_ | cshaman, I've been having date problems too |
| 20:00.46 | \amethyst | cshaman: date -s |
| 20:01.05 | cshaman | \amethyst: what is the format for specifying the new time? |
| 20:01.19 | hanasaki | rainy-day: it rocks.. i got 2 crts! |
| 20:01.20 | chealer9 | grendelson: that section is not completely appropriate to your problem. it's normal that glxinfo fails if X is not started. all which is interesting is the symlinks it talks about, like /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so |
| 20:01.35 | hanasaki | rainy-day: and a gainward 5700 ultra w/ 2 dvi out |
| 20:01.49 | chealer9 | grendelson: you should check particularly that /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 is not a broken symlink |
| 20:02.23 | \amethyst | cshaman: for just time, '15:01:45' should work. For the date too, '2006-04-01 15:01:45' |
| 20:02.38 | \amethyst | cshaman: if at all possible, you should use ntpdate, though |
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| 20:02.48 | \amethyst | cshaman: unless you're faking the time |
| 20:03.11 | rainy-day | humm.. |
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| 20:03.25 | grendelson | chealer : SOrry I didn't read that soone (or understand it:-) Yup bad symlink to 1.2 |
| 20:03.26 | grendelson | !! |
| 20:03.26 | dpkg | No sĂłc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 20:03.27 | gnufan | cshaman: install ntpdate and ntpsimple, and type "ntp-date clock.redhat.com" as root -- you knew Redhat had a purpose.. then start the ntp daemon-- i.e. fix it for good |
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| 20:03.37 | grendelson | I'll run suggested fix |
| 20:03.43 | cshaman | lol |
| 20:03.48 | zood_ | \amethyst, perhaps there's some package I could reconfigure to help fix timezone problems? |
| 20:04.01 | \amethyst | zood_: oh, you're still having problems? |
| 20:04.01 | gnufan | !ntp |
| 20:04.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 20:04.04 | \amethyst | zood_: I was afk |
| 20:04.18 | rainy-day | when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it does *not* create /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it attempts to copy it somewhere and fails because I renamed it. I was under impression it will create it and then xorg will use it as conf file.. what does it use instead? |
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| 20:05.06 | dvs | !xmd5 |
| 20:05.07 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 20:05.24 | Coweater | it's probably trying to back up the old file before replacing it |
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| 20:06.04 | grendelson | chealer - I'm on console so not sure if I am seeig it wrong... But lat line only has ln -fs libGL.so.$NVVER /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 (with no /usr/lib) is that correct )is that what you see in a web browser? |
| 20:06.10 | rainy-day | thanks dvs, coweater |
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| 20:08.18 | areels | what is related between "shark" and "dog" words ? |
| 20:08.32 | dvs | bull |
| 20:08.35 | chealer9 | grendelson: yes |
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| 20:08.37 | gnufan | zood \amethyst tzconfig doesn't check /etc/localtime exists, so if /etc/timezone is right, it won't recreate /etc/localtime... doesn't explain what zood has done to remove /etc/localtime but he shoud say "y" when it asked if it needs changing, and then tell it to set "America/Chicago". |
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| 20:09.30 | grendelson | chealer9: I don' tunderstand ln -fs libGL.so.$NVVER /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 sine there is no local file named that in my home dir wher I am working from ? |
| 20:09.56 | grendelson | chealer : You think it shoulr be /usr/lib/libGL.so.$NVVER /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 ? |
| 20:10.01 | \amethyst | grendelson: the first argument to ln is relative to the second |
| 20:10.15 | \amethyst | grendelson: with symbolic links |
| 20:10.34 | chealer9 | grendelson: libGL.so.$NVVER refers to /usr/lib/libGL.so.$NVVER. I guess it's as \amethyst says |
| 20:11.13 | alex_ | how can I desactivate esd in favor of jack ? |
| 20:11.17 | chealer9 | grendelson: note that I don't have a libGL.so.1.2 on my Sarge box, so this information may be inexact or not general |
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| 20:11.30 | Zmanu | hi |
| 20:12.20 | chealer9 | grendelson: heh, actually, this symlink is completely broken on my Sarge box |
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| 20:12.40 | Zmanu | I want install source for my kernel 2.6.8-2 under sarge, what must i install ? |
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| 20:13.07 | \amethyst | grendelson: the ln program isn't looking up the path "ligGL.so.$NVVER". Rather, it sticks that directly into the new symlink, and lookups of the symlink will intepret the path as relative to the symlink's parent directory |
| 20:13.09 | grendelson | chealer9: Well I tried symlinks and got same error DARN I really have to go now - 5 minutes to shower and get out of here 0 I'll try again tonight and jsut unistall /reintall all packages (after saving my custom xorg.conf!_ |
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| 20:13.38 | zood_ | gnufan, \amethyst, simonrvn, thanks for the help, I seem to finally be getting the correct time. Much appreciated! |
| 20:13.45 | Zmanu | nobody to help me ? |
| 20:13.48 | simonrvn | cool |
| 20:14.08 | chealer9 | grendelson: no problem, but purging and reinstalling probably won't do it |
| 20:14.28 | gnufan | zood_: I'll submit a bug report and patch for tzconfig, it is only a one line change I think, but I think it should check that localtime exists when it is run |
| 20:14.49 | grendelson | chealer : I'll go back to previosu working kernel also... |
| 20:15.03 | rainy-day | how can I tell if my system right now tries to start xfree or xorg server? |
| 20:15.10 | grendelson | the 2.6.18 kernel was jsut released in last few weeks I think! |
| 20:15.15 | sehute | rainy-day: ps ux |
| 20:15.19 | grendelson | bye |
| 20:15.20 | zood_ | gnufan, nice. |
| 20:15.35 | dvs | grendelson: no, 2.6.16 |
| 20:15.41 | rainy-day | sehute: I mean, what init file would that be in? |
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| 20:15.46 | grendelson | oops I meant 2.6.15 |
| 20:16.15 | sehute | sehute: what init file would what be in? :) |
| 20:16.30 | Zmanu | why nobody want to help me install kernel source ? |
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| 20:16.44 | Zmanu | nobody can tell me what i must apt-get ? |
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| 20:16.58 | rainy-day | sehute: :) where is the place that tells the system which server to start on login? |
| 20:17.11 | rainy-day | sehute: I know I'm probably not verbalizing it right :) |
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| 20:17.46 | abrotman | rainy-day: you sohuld only have one |
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| 20:18.17 | rainy-day | abrotman: no, i have two and if I understand right, xorg depends on xfree86 |
| 20:18.30 | abrotman | no it does not |
| 20:18.35 | abrotman | it replaces xfree |
| 20:18.42 | abrotman | rainy-day: are you using sarge,etch or sid ? |
| 20:18.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:18.44 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:18.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's like .. 5 times today |
| 20:18.59 | rainy-day | abrotman: unstable |
| 20:19.11 | abrotman | rainy-day: so you should be using xorg |
| 20:19.24 | rainy-day | abrotman: i'm sorry,you're right, i just removed xfree86 server.. |
| 20:19.33 | abrotman | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 20:19.38 | rainy-day | so it will have to use xorg |
| 20:19.54 | rainy-day | abrotman: I already have that |
| 20:19.56 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:20.19 | wols | rainy-day: do you mean videodriver or windowmanager? |
| 20:20.26 | rainy-day | abrotman: one more question, does xorg use only /etc/xorg.conf ? |
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| 20:20.33 | rainy-day | wols: videodriver |
| 20:20.47 | wols | !tell rainy-day about drxx |
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| 20:20.55 | abrotman | rainy-day: you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 20:21.05 | rainy-day | abrotman: yep |
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| 20:21.08 | fedya | if i have policy on INPUT ACCEPT i can connect to the ftp |
| 20:21.13 | fedya | if i have it drop i can't connect |
| 20:21.16 | wols | rainy-day: do not hand edit that |
| 20:21.18 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 20:21.18 | dpkg | iptables is probably the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 20:21.27 | fedya | port 21 is open |
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| 20:21.36 | wols | ftp needs more than that |
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| 20:21.46 | rainy-day | wols: okay, then how can I change video driver? i'd like to change it from ati to vesa |
| 20:21.54 | wols | !tell rainy-day about drxx |
| 20:21.56 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 20:21.56 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 20:22.29 | rainy-day | that's what I do, but it doesn't ask which driver to use |
| 20:22.37 | abrotman | try a -plow |
| 20:22.40 | \amethyst | fedya: ftp uses a different port for the control connection, which is set up by the client for active mode, or the server for passive |
| 20:23.01 | \amethyst | fedya: s/control/data/ # Port 21 is the control connection |
| 20:23.04 | rainy-day | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg? right? |
| 20:23.13 | abrotman | sure |
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| 20:23.18 | abrotman | how did you get on unstable ? |
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| 20:23.53 | rainy-day | i changed /etc/apt/sources.list and then did apt-get dist-update and upgrade |
| 20:23.58 | wols | abrotman: I blame howtos |
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| 20:24.47 | \amethyst | fedya: you really need stateful inspection to let FTP through a firewall correctly |
| 20:24.49 | rainy-day | the reason I did it because stable, when I started x server, the display would get corrupted, and I thought they maybe fixed that in unstable.. |
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| 20:25.07 | \amethyst | doh |
| 20:25.35 | abrotman | in some magic world .. unstable==less broken .. but not this world |
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| 20:25.38 | anarcat | hello |
| 20:25.48 | anarcat | anyone knows which package is in charge of /etc/mailname? |
| 20:26.36 | [lain] | find it with dpkg if i remember |
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| 20:27.08 | abrotman | !find etc/mailname sarge |
| 20:27.13 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: no package is in charge of that file; it's just a conffile. |
| 20:27.16 | rainy-day | abrotman: is it possible to downgrade? |
| 20:27.18 | abrotman | no |
| 20:27.19 | dondelelcaro | s/conffile/configuration file/ |
| 20:27.26 | anarcat | dondelelcaro, how is it created? |
| 20:27.35 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: a mail-transport-agent creates it |
| 20:27.37 | jengelh | !dfind mailname |
| 20:27.45 | wols | jengelh: could be your MTA config |
| 20:27.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/mailname' (1): (/usr/lib/diskless-image/template/etc/mailname) in misc/diskless-image-secure,misc/diskless-image-simple. |
| 20:27.59 | anarcat | dondelelcaro, e.g. exim ? |
| 20:28.00 | rainy-day | okay I have another problem now.. it says that it cannot open device /dev/input/mice. I have a regular usb mouse.. and the X won't start because of this |
| 20:28.02 | jengelh | hm? |
| 20:28.08 | [lain] | dondelelcaro right, but if you want to know at what package? |
| 20:28.13 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: or nullmailer or ssmtp, etc. |
| 20:28.16 | rainy-day | dpkg-reconfigure could not autodetect the mouse |
| 20:28.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mailname' (1): (/usr/share/doc/cnews/examples/mailname) in news/cnews. |
| 20:28.23 | anarcat | dondelelcaro, is it possible that some mta wouldn't create it (like postfix)? |
| 20:28.27 | dondelelcaro | [lain]: it's not tracked, so it's impossible to know. |
| 20:28.30 | wols | Laney: whatever provides MTA for you |
| 20:28.30 | [lain] | good dpkg :D |
| 20:28.37 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: if the MTA doesn't need it, sure. |
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| 20:28.52 | \amethyst | anarcat: that's possible. You can create it by hand |
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| 20:29.00 | dondelelcaro | anarcat: it's just a file that typically contains hostname --fqdn. |
| 20:29.28 | \amethyst | I don't know how `typical' that is |
| 20:29.37 | \amethyst | It should contain something with an MX record |
| 20:29.47 | \amethyst | err, something that has an MX record in DNS, I mean |
| 20:29.51 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: something with an A record is good enough. |
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| 20:30.11 | dandesousa | I am trying to set up SSH on my debian box, but I am having trouble connecting to it from this pc. |
| 20:30.32 | digits | is it possible to tell apt-get that when you remove it should remove everything? (like config files etc.) |
| 20:30.40 | anarcat | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 20:30.42 | dondelelcaro | digits: use --purge |
| 20:30.44 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: ah, so it's not used for building addresses? |
| 20:30.47 | abrotman | dandesousa: why ? |
| 20:31.00 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: it's often used for seting the default envelope from |
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| 20:31.14 | \amethyst | ok, if it's just for envelope, that's fine |
| 20:31.15 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: but how that's done really depends on the MTA and MUA... |
| 20:31.19 | digits | dondelelcaro: thanks, you an angel :) |
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| 20:31.38 | rainy-day | a usb mouse would usually be /dev/usb/mouse0? or something else? |
| 20:31.44 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
| 20:32.29 | exe_extreme | hello |
| 20:32.33 | exe_extreme | help please |
| 20:32.34 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: you know you should be larted for suggesting an A record is good enough for an mx, eh? |
| 20:32.49 | rainy-day | abrotman: that doesn't work for me.. i looked through dmesg and I don't see where my mouse device is registered.. |
| 20:32.50 | simonrvn | oh sure it'll work, but lartable offense |
| 20:32.50 | \amethyst | simonrvn: he was saying it was good enough for /etc/mailname |
| 20:33.01 | exe_extreme | alguien habla en espańol? |
| 20:33.01 | abrotman | rainy-day: did you load the hid and mousedev modules ? |
| 20:33.09 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: anyone who would do the larting is an idiot; MX is only important when a machine different from the machine with the A record should be handling mail. |
| 20:33.11 | simonrvn | aah |
| 20:33.18 | rainy-day | abrotman: not sure.. |
| 20:33.22 | dondelelcaro | you should always have one, but it's not necessary. |
| 20:33.28 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: that's true |
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| 20:33.49 | abrotman | let's lart dondelelcaro just for fun! |
| 20:34.01 | simonrvn | @lart dondelelcaro |
| 20:34.10 | rainy-day | abrotman: how would I load these? |
| 20:34.11 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 20:34.18 | abrotman | rainy-day: modconf |
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| 20:34.19 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 20:34.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:34.23 | dondelelcaro | exe_extreme: ^^^^ |
| 20:34.50 | exe_extreme | dondelelcaro hablas en espańol? |
| 20:34.57 | exe_extreme | speak spanish? |
| 20:34.59 | dondelelcaro | exe_extreme: /join #debian-es |
| 20:35.07 | exe_extreme | ok |
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| 20:35.18 | rainy-day | abrotman: thanks.. I haven't used debian in a few years, I forgot half of what little I did know |
| 20:35.41 | exe_extreme | dondelelcaro gracias |
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| 20:36.33 | gnufan | rainy-day: its okay abrotman hasn't used debian in a few years, he spends all his time here instead ;) |
| 20:36.35 | exe_extreme | cedega free? |
| 20:36.38 | exe_extreme | web cedega free? |
| 20:36.39 | Neverther | All books are 3 characters. Check syntax and try again |
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| 20:36.46 | Aghaster | hi |
| 20:36.51 | abrotman | gnufan: i use it every day .. or most every day anyways |
| 20:37.03 | valdyn | exe_extreme: cedega is not free |
| 20:37.04 | Aghaster | does anobody know how to add esperanto characters typing support to debian? |
| 20:37.10 | pipeline | exe_extreme: cedega isn't free, and it's not any good. |
| 20:37.15 | Aghaster | valdyn: the cvs version is free |
| 20:37.16 | pipeline | Aghaster: The key word here is xim |
| 20:37.20 | exe_extreme | valdyn |
| 20:37.21 | Aghaster | xim? |
| 20:37.27 | gnufan | abrotman: I don't believe you have the time left over outside of your #debian life |
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| 20:37.46 | abrotman | gnufan: i have time left over to do lots of things |
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| 20:38.17 | gnufan | abrotman: please tell me the secret of your time management ;) |
| 20:38.29 | abrotman | gnufan: you that time at night when your eyes are closed? |
| 20:38.33 | rainy-day | gnufan: :P |
| 20:38.34 | dvs | gnufan: there's more than one of him |
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| 20:38.49 | Money | how do i setup an ftp server on debian gnome DE? |
| 20:39.04 | wols | you don't |
| 20:39.11 | wols | ftp server hasn't anything to do with gnome |
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| 20:39.22 | wols | get vsftpd |
| 20:39.29 | Money | wols: ok, well how do i setup an ftp server, so i can share files with my friends |
| 20:39.39 | [lain] | proftpd no? |
| 20:39.43 | \amethyst | wols: aptitude search ~DProvides:ftp-server and pick one |
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| 20:39.46 | abrotman | friends don't let friends use ftp |
| 20:39.46 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:39.47 | \amethyst | oops |
| 20:39.50 | soundsoldier | Money: it might be worthwhile to look into sftp rather than ftp |
| 20:39.51 | gnufan | !ftp must die |
| 20:39.51 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 20:39.52 | valdyn | Money: you dont need an ftp server for that |
| 20:39.53 | \amethyst | Money: aptitude search ~DProvides:ftp-server and pick one |
| 20:39.55 | wols | Lane: vsftpd is smaller, easier. but you can use pro or pure too |
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| 20:40.28 | Eulex | gnufan, eh, ftp is ok for anonymous transfer of non-sensitive data |
| 20:40.33 | Eulex | wols, or wu |
| 20:40.41 | wols | ,pipeline I'd use a http server or simply ssh |
| 20:40.45 | gnufan | Eulex: http is better |
| 20:40.46 | wols | Eulex: not wu |
| 20:41.20 | valdyn | Money: your friends can use puttyscp, and the required ssh server is already installed on your server i guess |
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| 20:41.21 | wols | Eulex: it sucks. the firewall/NAT problems alone are reason enough to kill it. painlyfully, slowly |
| 20:41.27 | abrotman | or filezilla |
| 20:41.27 | [lain] | right but proftpd is stable and has moduls in perl :P |
| 20:41.36 | wols | valdyn: filezilla is better. easier to use |
| 20:41.40 | rainy-day | wow |
| 20:41.45 | rainy-day | i got xorg running at last |
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| 20:42.00 | Eulex | wols, never had any problem with it |
| 20:42.02 | dvs | !beer rainy-day |
| 20:42.03 | valdyn | wols: neat, i dont know it |
| 20:42.06 | rainy-day | i need to tweak refresh rate, it looks like the surface of a lake in windy weather |
| 20:42.08 | rainy-day | :P |
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| 20:42.28 | rainy-day | video input out of range |
| 20:42.28 | wols | Eulex: I never had any problems with sendmail either. cause I never ever used it! :P |
| 20:42.34 | rainy-day | i got a msg from my monitor |
| 20:42.36 | \amethyst | Eulex: the biggest problem is that it uses a different port for data and control |
| 20:42.40 | rainy-day | abrotman: thanks much for help! |
| 20:42.42 | gnufan | rainy-day: apple spent ages getting that effect when windows appear in MACOSx, and you get it for no effort ?! |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | glad it works |
| 20:42.44 | Money | i still want an ftp server, for tansfering files |
| 20:42.56 | valdyn | Money: so install one |
| 20:43.00 | rainy-day | gnufan: well, this is apple and this is me :) |
| 20:43.05 | wols | Money: are you behind a router? |
| 20:43.07 | gnufan | Money: we still think ftp should die, but "apt-get install vsftpd" if you must |
| 20:43.11 | rainy-day | don't mean to brag but.. i'm always light years ahead |
| 20:43.16 | soundsoldier | if anyone is using sawfish could you assist me in loading the page without wm decorations and how to make it persistent across all workspaces? |
| 20:43.19 | k155la3 | I can't load the ondemand cpufreq scaling governer on ppc since the last kernel upgrade (2.6.15-1-powerpc). Anyone with any idea why? |
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| 20:43.37 | Money | valdyn: you don't install a server :| |
| 20:43.38 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: What window do you want to be that way? |
| 20:43.58 | soundsoldier | \amethyst: i'd like the pager, and some wm dock apps |
| 20:44.03 | gnufan | k155la3: you try #debian-ppc, they know that sort of thing |
| 20:44.05 | valdyn | Money: no, _I_ don't |
| 20:44.15 | Nakko | I just reinstalled debian after a failed attempt at gentoo. (What a fool I was!) And now I can't log in through GDM. It just kicks me back to the login screen. |
| 20:44.25 | k155la3 | gnufan:thank you |
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| 20:44.49 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: Customize->Matched Windows |
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| 20:44.52 | Money | gnufan: after i do that, then what? jsut run it? |
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| 20:45.24 | valdyn | Money: after that you have an ftp server running |
| 20:45.27 | abrotman | Nakko: check the error logs |
| 20:45.27 | epiChty | hello |
| 20:45.29 | soundsoldier | \amethyst: ahh...what a funny name, "matched windows" |
| 20:45.35 | soundsoldier | \amethyst: hiding right in front of my eyes |
| 20:45.39 | gnufan | Money: read the config file, and the docs in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd -- you probably need to configure it slightly, but the config file is well commented and won't let you go too far wrong. |
| 20:45.43 | Nakko | abrotman: Which error logs, where? |
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| 20:45.57 | [lain] | see you later |
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| 20:46.10 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: Then Add..., select "Class" for the first matcher, Grab..., and click the window. Then you can select sticky under "State", and Freame type: none under "Appearance" |
| 20:46.18 | abrotman | Nakko: in /var/log/ ? |
| 20:46.34 | powder | Hey all. How do I use the archive signing key found at http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ? |
| 20:46.37 | soundsoldier | \amethyst: great, thanks a million |
| 20:47.10 | abrotman | powder: should tell you right on the page |
| 20:47.10 | dweb | abrotman, ding ding ding |
| 20:47.56 | powder | abrotman, i read the entire page... :( |
| 20:48.05 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: do you do any Lisp? |
| 20:48.18 | soundsoldier | \amethyst: not yet...i have a feeling i will be :) |
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| 20:48.28 | gnufan | Money: why not use Apache2 and http -- it is cool and much easier to add "users" to so they can login with there own username/password without opening your box up to more abuse. |
| 20:48.35 | unstable | http://rjdohnert.wordpress.com/2006/04/01/microsoft-to-release-vista-with-a-linux-kernel/ |
| 20:48.50 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: I think sawfish is the only wm I can be truly happy with :) |
| 20:48.56 | timday | how do I initialize a new changelog so "dch -a" will append to it ? it doesn't like an empty debian/changelog |
| 20:49.12 | abrotman | powder: it's linked on the front page |
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| 20:49.25 | \amethyst | I believe I heard someone is working on adding a compositing manager to sawfish, but I'm not sure |
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| 20:49.46 | Money | gnufan: ok, how do i do that, i jstu wanted something where like, someone types in ftp.blah.zip and they would instantly be downlolading blah.zip |
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| 20:50.14 | powder | abrotman, yes but I'm not sure what to do with the .asc file ? |
| 20:50.41 | gnufan | Money: "apt-get install apache2 ; cp blah.zip /var/www/ ; wget http://my-servername/blah.gz .... something like that |
| 20:50.57 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: Might I recommend searching for iswitch-window-with-class.jl (should be on the sawfish wiki) and setting that up? |
| 20:50.58 | abrotman | !secure-testing-master apt-key |
| 20:50.58 | dpkg | i heard secure-testing-master apt-key is a way for you to get apt-get to stop whining about gpg key warnings. check http://secure-testing-master.debian.net for the latest key, or "wget http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add -" |
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| 20:51.25 | Money | gnufan, is there a doc i can view, because i didn't really understand that |
| 20:51.32 | powder | abrotman, thanks! |
| 20:51.37 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: Then you can set up a key binding and do, for example, Super-W Fir<enter> to switch to firefox |
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| 20:52.02 | rainy-day | um, I have ati rage 128 and lcd monitor that can do 1280x1024 in windows. I set the proper refresh rate in xorg.conf but the screen is wavy at the top res.. If I take the res down to 1024 x 800, it's fine. i tried lowering refresh rate range in the conf file but the screen is still wavy, but a little less so.. what's the best thing for me now? |
| 20:52.08 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: it beats alt-tab hands down :) |
| 20:52.24 | Money | i'm intsalling apche now |
| 20:52.42 | gnufan | Money: "apt-get install apache2" --- installs apache2 Debian reference "cp blah.gz /var/www/" puts the file in the website. "wget http://myservername/blah.gz" download the file from my website. |
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| 20:53.19 | soundsoldier | \amethyst: thanks |
| 20:53.23 | sehute | \amethyst: I agree completely about having keybindings directly to programs or desktop instead of hopping through loops in order to find the right one |
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| 20:53.39 | user__ | hi, how can i check what version of pacake is installed? |
| 20:53.43 | sehute | \amethyst: I'm using several desktops, with a fullscreen window in each, and keybindings for jumping directly to desktops |
| 20:53.51 | \amethyst | sehute: What WM? |
| 20:54.06 | sehute | \amethyst: in addition, I would highly recommend setting up a keypress for marking off windows that you can use alt+tab for jumping through |
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| 20:54.13 | sehute | \amethyst: I'm using the wonderful FVWM |
| 20:54.28 | sehute | \amethyst: I have alt+a for toggling if they should be in the alt+tab loop |
| 20:54.28 | dondelelcaro | user__: dpkg -l foopkg; |
| 20:54.41 | sehute | \amethyst: and if none are tagged, alt+tab takes everything on the desktop |
| 20:54.47 | sehute | \amethyst: works like a charm |
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| 20:55.05 | gnufan | Money: Apache2 documentation is at www.apache.org under http... about all you are likely to want is to allow "indexes" so people can view a directory -- I think Debian allows directory viewing by default. |
| 20:55.06 | Money | gnufan: i have apache2 installed, where are the docs |
| 20:55.08 | dmcmorris | Is there anybody who has experience compiling kernel from source here? |
| 20:55.14 | Money | ok |
| 20:55.18 | soundsoldier | \amethyst: i have another question about sawfish...seems like alt key shortcuts in programs (like alt+left in firefox) arnet working... is this normal? |
| 20:55.18 | sehute | dmcmorris: probably a lot |
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| 20:55.45 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: do you have sawfish bindings on those keys? |
| 20:55.51 | dmcmorris | I have a guy in another channel who is having an issue... "Support for Hot-Pluggable devices" shows "---" next to it and can't be chosen. Why would this be the case? |
| 20:56.02 | \amethyst | sehute: fvwm was my first favorite wm. I ran it from 1996--2002. |
| 20:56.06 | soundsoldier | \amethyst: i dont think so but i'm not entirely sure how to verify |
| 20:56.07 | _matej | dmcmorris: what's the problem? |
| 20:56.10 | gnufan | Money: by default I think Debian creates a /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default which serves files for all requests from /var/www -- point a browser at "http://localhost/" and see what you see |
| 20:56.22 | sehute | sehute: It's been my favorite since 2001 |
| 20:56.23 | dmcmorris | _matej: I have a guy in another channel who is having an issue... "Support for Hot-Pluggable devices" shows "---" next to it and can't be chosen. Why would this be the case? |
| 20:56.33 | sehute | \amethyst: It's been my favorite since 2001 |
| 20:56.39 | \amethyst | soundsoldier: Customize->Bindings, and look under Global, Window |
| 20:56.59 | \amethyst | sehute: Oddly enough, it's not programmable enough for me :) |
| 20:57.00 | _matej | dmcmorris: what kernel (from Debian source or vanilla), any patches? |
| 20:57.02 | sehute | \amethyst: I've been through ctwm, twm, gnome, kde, afterstep, wm2, evilwm and ion3 :) |
| 20:57.05 | robin__ | anyone care to help me get this poxy CUPS thing to work? ... printing should not be this hard |
| 20:57.09 | markybob | gnufan, close. /var/www/apache2-default |
| 20:57.17 | Jhair | When I take an screenshot with gaim (or with the "Take Screenshot" option in GNOME), the mouse cursor never appears in the screenshot, why? |
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| 20:57.36 | sehute | \amethyst: The support for if-sentences is limited... you can do a lot with external commands, though, if you have special needs |
| 20:57.42 | \amethyst | Jhair: they probably disable the cursor just before snapping the screenshot |
| 20:57.49 | dmcmorris | Actually it's a gentoo kernel, but nobody there is helping... I thought people with experience building vanilla kernels would be able to offer why a "---" would appear next to an option |
| 20:58.05 | robin__ | I installed cupsys and configured a printer and a class, but it wont print ... |
| 20:58.08 | sehute | dmcmorris: isn't that just commented out? |
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| 20:58.23 | dmcmorris | oh, sorry.. this is in "make menuconfig" |
| 20:58.29 | robin__ | I even installed hplip, but that didn;t help either ... |
| 20:58.30 | Jhair | \amethyst: I suspect you are right, but what is the reason? Do you know of any application which will allow me to take a screenshot showing the cursor? |
| 20:58.33 | gnufan | markybob: I think the apache2-default is explained in the file mentioned.. /var/www is the normal DocumentRoot |
| 20:58.44 | robin__ | Jhair, try Gimp |
| 20:58.46 | _matej | dmcmorris: no clue, but I would suggest some not-compatible patch |
| 20:58.48 | sehute | \amethyst: so, what have you switched to, after FVWM? |
| 20:58.51 | Jhair | \amethyst: my intention was to report a bug in an application (Emacs) which is related to the mouse cursor |
| 20:58.52 | \amethyst | sehute: Sawfish |
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| 20:59.04 | \amethyst | sehute: Programmable in Lisp, just like emacs |
| 20:59.07 | dmcmorris | OK, thanks |
| 20:59.08 | chin1 | how do i pick what desktop startx will run ? |
| 20:59.08 | sehute | \amethyst: it appeals "to the grown up in you"? ;) |
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| 20:59.13 | Money | gnufan: no i don't want indexs i want someone to type in "ftp.hey.exe" or something, and when they enter it in the browser they start downloading the file |
| 20:59.14 | \amethyst | Jhair: yeah, gimp perhaps |
| 20:59.17 | Jhair | robin__: thanks, I tried with gimp with no success though |
| 20:59.25 | robin__ | Jhair, oh, wait, SHOWING the cursor , i read that as "using" ... |
| 20:59.30 | \amethyst | sehute: Not at all :) |
| 20:59.31 | sehute | \amethyst: I'm a die-hard vim-user :) |
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| 20:59.41 | Jhair | robin__: yes I want to see the cursor in the screenshot |
| 20:59.45 | \amethyst | sehute: grown-ups use metacity, I hear |
| 20:59.53 | sehute | \amethyst: Ah, I mixed those two :) |
| 21:00.02 | chin1 | hello ? |
| 21:00.12 | robin__ | anyway ... back to my CUPS woes :( |
| 21:00.19 | gnufan | Money: sure -- what do you get when you look at http://localhost/ and can you relate that to the contents of /var/www and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
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| 21:01.18 | \amethyst | sehute: I use vim more than emacs, actually |
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| 21:01.34 | robin__ | so ... printing from my laptop, to a netowrkd HP deskjet with Jetdirect card ... |
| 21:01.42 | \amethyst | sehute: But I usually use emacs for Java, Lisp, and email :) |
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| 21:02.10 | robin__ | set up cups and point it at a socket socket://192.168.1.192:9100 right? |
| 21:02.33 | sehute | \amethyst: I had some lisp at uni, but I never managed to like it :) |
| 21:02.33 | Money | gnufan: ok, i see what your saying, so im supposed to enter some html that uploads the file on my desktop, i don't know hardly any html |
| 21:02.40 | wols | socket is something in the 6xx range IIRC: look for IPP |
| 21:02.42 | robin__ | \amethyst, for Java you want eclipse. oh yes. |
| 21:02.52 | Jhair | hm. I did a google search and seems that is a X Window "feature" *sigh* |
| 21:03.03 | \amethyst | robin__: Eclipse isn't bad, if you have the spare RAM |
| 21:03.05 | sehute | robin__: Even I would use Emacs over Eclipse. And I'm a vim-user |
| 21:03.08 | Jhair | Option "HWCursor" "off" |
| 21:03.08 | \amethyst | and cycles |
| 21:03.09 | gnufan | money - nah just copy the file to /var/www and it'll be there |
| 21:03.15 | sehute | robin__: ...that has worked with Eclipse |
| 21:03.33 | pipeline | robin__: Heh, emacs is surprisingly nice for java |
| 21:03.41 | robin__ | eclipse is an IDE, emacs is just an editor ... |
| 21:03.44 | joseph | hey does debian stable get bug fixes or just security fixes? |
| 21:03.49 | Money | ok, i'll try, and can i change the name of the server? |
| 21:03.51 | \amethyst | robin__: emacs is an IDE |
| 21:03.52 | gnufan | Money: you might need to give yourself write permissions to the directory /var/www so you can do it easily |
| 21:04.04 | robin__ | you don't get 1% of the functionality |
| 21:04.15 | robin__ | \amethyst, no, emacs is a newsreader ;) |
| 21:04.30 | gnufan | Money: the 000-default server has no name, so any domain name that gets the web request to the right computer should work. |
| 21:04.31 | markybob | !stable |
| 21:04.31 | dpkg | methinks stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r1, or ask me about releases. |
| 21:04.37 | Money | i don't want the name to be localhost how do i change that? |
| 21:04.40 | pipeline | robin__: You have no idea what emacs does, clearly :P |
| 21:04.41 | \amethyst | robin__: You get more out-of-the-box with eclipse, but it's a lot easier to extend and customize emacs |
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| 21:04.49 | Jhair | With PCL-CVS, CC-Mode, etc. Emacs is orders of magnitude more powerful than eclipse |
| 21:04.58 | pipeline | robin__: eclipse is a pretty lame IDE on the scale of things. Emacs' java functions are... fantastic. |
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| 21:05.07 | robin__ | pipeline, its a mail client, right? |
| 21:05.12 | pipeline | robin__: A shitty one, sure. |
| 21:05.16 | \amethyst | I wouldn't call eclipse `lame' |
| 21:05.27 | Money | gnufan: i don't want the name to be localhost how do i change that? |
| 21:05.30 | pipeline | Eclipse' primary purpose is developing eclipse. |
| 21:05.34 | \amethyst | It's got some of the best Java parsing I've seen in an editor |
| 21:05.39 | gnufan | pipeline: I thought emacs was an Internet Chess server client ;) |
| 21:05.39 | pipeline | Using it for anything but writing eclipse plugins is hellish. |
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| 21:05.48 | \amethyst | pipeline: guess what I used it for :) |
| 21:05.51 | sehute | \amethyst: methinks robin's just trolling |
| 21:06.11 | gnufan | Money: as I said anything that resolves to the IP address of your box.. Try its IP address |
| 21:06.20 | Jhair | \amethyst: Java parsing is a job for Java compilers not for editors, though. |
| 21:06.26 | rem_ | what do you usually have for .db files in the .evolution folder ? |
| 21:06.26 | robin__ | emacs doesnt spot a lot of the stuff eclipse does, like some of the subtler errors, such as deprecated uses etc |
| 21:06.42 | Jhair | robin__: emacs is not a java compiler |
| 21:06.45 | joseph | HEY does debian stable get bug fixes or just security fixes? |
| 21:06.50 | pipeline | emacs, can, however, do some refactoring of java |
| 21:06.52 | pipeline | which is nice |
| 21:06.53 | markybob | joseph i already told you |
| 21:06.56 | Jhair | robin__: eclipse includes its own java compiler |
| 21:06.58 | markybob | joseph /msg dpkg stable |
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| 21:07.00 | \amethyst | Jhair: It makes refactoring more robust if you have a good parser |
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| 21:07.15 | rem_ | can anyone tell me what they have for .db files in their .evolution folder plse ... |
| 21:07.15 | gnufan | Money: http://ip.add.re.ss/ for example http://127.0.0.1/ |
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| 21:07.23 | donald | I have got the Kernel 2.6.16 with OSS Sound on a Siemens E-Series Notebook. It is not possible to change the volume. The Sound is very very low. Is it a kernel bug? |
| 21:07.35 | \amethyst | Problem is, most but not all emacs language modes use regular expressions, which are just hideous for matching code |
| 21:07.38 | sehute | robin__: but Eclipse aint bad |
| 21:07.48 | robin__ | so, emacs parses and formats Java very nicely, I'll give you that |
| 21:08.19 | gnufan | Do the emacs modes allow for code refactoring and features like that, or is that another extension? |
| 21:08.30 | Jhair | \amethyst: my point is: eclipse may be more robust for refactoring for *some* programmers, for those who want to work with the tool |
| 21:08.55 | Jhair | \amethyst: I work with other programmers which use eclipse I use only emacs though and I am as productive as my colleagues |
| 21:08.57 | sehute | Jhair: "more robust" is a... hairy expression |
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| 21:09.11 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 21:09.15 | robin__ | will emacs spot a call to a private method of another class as an error? for example? |
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| 21:09.32 | \amethyst | robin__: you can have the output of a javac showing in a second buffer |
| 21:09.38 | \amethyst | that will spot the error |
| 21:09.57 | robin__ | well, I can do that in an xterm ... |
| 21:10.18 | sehute | robin__: vim has very good support for parsing the output of javac |
| 21:10.19 | Jhair | sehute: how do I say it right? sorry, english is my third language :) |
| 21:10.41 | robin__ | well, whatever, noting like a proper IDE though ... |
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| 21:10.43 | gnufan | !start an editor war |
| 21:10.43 | dpkg | xemacs doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 21:10.48 | robin__ | anyway .. enough |
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| 21:11.02 | robin__ | back to my debian CUPS thing :) |
| 21:11.03 | sehute | Jhair: I was not critizising you. :) English is my second language. I just felt that "robust" was a bit abstract. |
| 21:11.18 | Pupeno | I have written a server (in a non-common language) so I would provide some scripts to easily start and stop it ond Debian and other POSIX-alike OSes, is there any more or less standard set of scripts that I should provide ? |
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| 21:11.41 | zood_ | again, thanks for the help folks! |
| 21:11.42 | sehute | Pupeno: /etc/init.d/yourservername, might be one |
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| 21:11.53 | chin1 | does debian come with xorgconfig ? |
| 21:12.04 | gnufan | Pupeno: /etc/init.d/README |
| 21:12.10 | Eulex | chin1, maybe, but if so, you shouldn't use it |
| 21:12.12 | Eulex | !drxx chin1 |
| 21:12.13 | dpkg | chin1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:12.26 | sehute | chihchun: yes, in xbase-clients |
| 21:12.30 | gnufan | Pupeno: of course this is when you discover you could have used xinetd ;) |
| 21:12.30 | Jhair | sehute: oh! I understood "more robust" was a bad combination of words. I get your point |
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| 21:12.42 | sehute | Jhair: all well :) |
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| 21:13.00 | Pupeno | gnufan: I'll take a look at the first and regarding xinetd... well, no. |
| 21:13.16 | rem_ | what do you usually have for .db files in the .evolution folder ? |
| 21:13.21 | chin1 | how the fuck am i supposed to remember that ? |
| 21:13.59 | gnufan | Pupeno: what does it do, may I ask |
| 21:14.03 | Money | no offense gnufan, but im gonna setup an ftp server, that apachemod doesn't really meet my needs, thanks though, :) |
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| 21:14.46 | gnufan | money I don't think you really understood "ftp must die" article |
| 21:14.52 | Pupeno | The scripts in /etc/init.d/ call start-stop-daemon. I imagine I should make my server behave correctly with it. |
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| 21:15.08 | \amethyst | Pupeno: you are doing standard daemon stuff, right? |
| 21:15.19 | Pupeno | gnufan: too long to explain for such a simple thing: http://pupeno.com/software/fanterlastic-four |
| 21:15.28 | Pupeno | \amethyst: what is a standard daemon ? |
| 21:16.14 | \amethyst | Pupeno: There is a list of things a daemon process should do in Unix... close standard file descriptors, fork off, etc |
| 21:16.18 | robin__ | after installing and cofigureing CUPS, submitting any job, the job is immediatley cancelled |
| 21:16.31 | robin__ | clicking restrat I get client-error-not-possible |
| 21:16.35 | robin__ | sigh :( |
| 21:16.37 | Pupeno | \amethyst: Where is that list ? |
| 21:16.53 | \amethyst | Pupeno: I'm looking in the comp.unix.programmer faq to find it now |
| 21:17.15 | Pupeno | \amethyst: thanks. |
| 21:17.35 | \amethyst | Pupeno: http://www.erlenstar.demon.co.uk/unix/faq_2.html#SEC16 |
| 21:18.26 | Pupeno | \amethyst: Thank you. Then that should be gracefully handled with start-stop-daemon, right ? |
| 21:18.34 | \amethyst | Pupeno: it should, yes |
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| 21:18.53 | \amethyst | Pupeno: you might also want to consider generating a pidfile |
| 21:19.27 | Pupeno | \amethyst: doesn't start-stop-daemon do it ? |
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| 21:19.40 | Aghaster | where is .gnomerc located, or .xsession? |
| 21:19.42 | \amethyst | Pupeno: It can't, because it doesn't know what your new PID is after forking |
| 21:19.44 | gnufan | Pupeno: \amethyst there is an IBM Developer document on writing init scripts as well -- worth a google |
| 21:19.49 | tarzeau | Aghaster: in ~ |
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| 21:20.07 | robin__ | even printing a test-page, it doesnt work, retarting hte job I see "error - no files" in the log |
| 21:20.19 | Aghaster | sorry for the noob question, but where is ~? |
| 21:20.26 | robin__ | maybe a debian permissions problem preventing it writing the files to the dir? |
| 21:20.28 | \amethyst | Aghaster: home directory |
| 21:20.32 | Aghaster | ok, thanks |
| 21:20.42 | robin__ | Aghaster, cd ~ |
| 21:20.52 | Aghaster | yeah i just did |
| 21:20.54 | Aghaster | thanks |
| 21:20.54 | robin__ | like that ... and you are in your home |
| 21:21.00 | \amethyst | you don't need the ~ |
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| 21:21.14 | robin__ | true, but i was making the point |
| 21:21.16 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 21:22.13 | Pupeno | Ok. Thank you. |
| 21:22.16 | Aghaster | .Xsession is in ~ too? |
| 21:22.31 | sehute | Aghaster: yes |
| 21:22.32 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 21:22.32 | dpkg | it has been said that tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 21:22.38 | sehute | Aghaster: if you put it there |
| 21:22.44 | Aghaster | because there is none |
| 21:22.52 | sehute | Aghaster: but it works, if you have one there |
| 21:23.03 | Aghaster | i have none there |
| 21:23.58 | sehute | Aghaster: both "cd", "cd ~", "cd $HOME" and "cd /home/your_username_goes_here" brings you to the home-directory, btw :) |
| 21:24.09 | Aghaster | yeah, lol |
| 21:24.21 | Aghaster | what i want to do is automatically do export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim each time i log in |
| 21:24.38 | Squall` | Aghaster, put it in your .bashrc, or whatever you use. |
| 21:25.03 | sehute | Aghaster: do you use bash? "echo export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim >> ~/.bashrc" |
| 21:25.12 | sehute | Aghaster: that should do it. Without the " |
| 21:25.19 | Aghaster | yes i use bash |
| 21:25.33 | Squall` | sehute, well, the quotations shouldn't hurt. |
| 21:26.00 | sehute | Squall`: it doesn't work with quotations in zsh, that I'm using |
| 21:26.05 | Aghaster | now if i reboot it will automatically do it fine? |
| 21:26.13 | sehute | Aghaster: no need to reboot |
| 21:26.13 | Squall` | oh |
| 21:26.23 | Squall` | Just use '. .bashrc' |
| 21:26.47 | sehute | Aghaster: log out of whatever graphical system you're in, press ctrl+alt+backspace, log in again. Or whatever other people here say :) |
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| 21:26.58 | Squall` | The '.' is an alias for source, which will read the .bashrc |
| 21:27.03 | Aghaster | Ă´Ă´Ă´mg, it works |
| 21:27.04 | Aghaster | lol |
| 21:27.12 | sehute | Aghaster: if you change ~/.xinitrc or ~/.Xsession, it might be needed |
| 21:27.14 | Aghaster | oh, only for the o's |
| 21:27.22 | Aghaster | lemme restart X |
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| 21:27.47 | robin__ | sigh ... useless error messgae .. "[01/Apr/2006:22:21:21 +0100] Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed?" ... |
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| 21:28.55 | Aghaster | it didnt work |
| 21:29.42 | sehute | Aghaster: what do you wish to do? |
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| 21:29.59 | robin__ | it would be more handy if it gave some clue as to whther having esp-gs was likely to be the cure .. or the cause of the problem :( |
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| 21:30.14 | sehute | you wish GTK_IM_MODULE to be set to xim whenever you're in X, not when you're in bash? |
| 21:30.22 | Aghaster | i'm trying to get esperanto characters input working |
| 21:30.30 | Aghaster | export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim as root and then lauching app as root works |
| 21:30.38 | sehute | Aghaster: ah |
| 21:30.42 | Aghaster | i'd like to permanently modify this variable |
| 21:30.45 | sehute | Aghaster: I think I know what might help |
| 21:30.50 | klaxian | hey guys, i'm having a problem with evolution in "testing"...when i attempt to view most emails, it freezes - and spits a glibc error to the console |
| 21:30.53 | klaxian | any thoughts on that? |
| 21:30.54 | Aghaster | tell me, then |
| 21:30.58 | sehute | Aghaster: log in as root |
| 21:31.08 | Aghaster | done |
| 21:31.15 | markybob | klaxian, check the bts. if there's nothing in there, create one. |
| 21:31.21 | unstable | !tell klaxian about bts |
| 21:31.25 | sehute | Aghaster: echo export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim >> /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 21:31.36 | sehute | Aghaster: that would make it set in bash _everywhere_ |
| 21:31.40 | sehute | Aghaster: but, it might not be enough |
| 21:31.41 | klaxian | markybob: thanks, i will |
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| 21:31.53 | sehute | Aghaster: try logging out as root |
| 21:32.25 | sehute | Aghaster: if you "wc -l .xsession", what does it say? |
| 21:32.34 | Aghaster | so i log out from root? |
| 21:32.42 | sehute | Aghaster: yes, first out from root |
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| 21:32.50 | Money | does anyone know something where i can upload a file to something, then someone can just type in something like "blah.tar.gz" in the web browser and download it?\ |
| 21:32.58 | Aghaster | aghaster@debian:~$ wc -l .Xsession |
| 21:32.58 | Aghaster | wc: .Xsession: No such file or directory |
| 21:33.10 | Aghaster | (same for .xsession) |
| 21:33.21 | sehute | Aghaster: okay, how about: wc -l .xinitrc |
| 21:33.33 | sehute | Aghaster: which WM do you use? KDE? |
| 21:33.36 | Aghaster | gnome |
| 21:33.54 | Money | don't ftp servers setup everything for you, so you cant ransfer files with it |
| 21:34.03 | sehute | Aghaster: okay, do you have an editor that you're comfortable in? |
| 21:34.16 | sehute | Aghaster: the secret plan is to make ~/.xsession, then add two lines |
| 21:34.17 | Aghaster | gedit |
| 21:34.19 | Aghaster | or nano |
| 21:34.21 | sehute | Aghaster: that should work |
| 21:34.32 | sehute | Aghaster: try: "gedit ~/.xsession" |
| 21:34.48 | sehute | Aghaster: then type in two lines. the first line is: |
| 21:34.49 | Aghaster | as root? |
| 21:34.55 | sehute | Aghaster: as user |
| 21:35.02 | Aghaster | ok |
| 21:35.10 | sehute | Aghaster: or do you need to have it system-wide? |
| 21:35.26 | Aghaster | i'd like to, well for root and my user account |
| 21:35.43 | sehute | Okay, if we take the user account first, just to make it work |
| 21:35.53 | sehute | Aghaster: The first line should be: export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim |
| 21:36.03 | sehute | Aghaster: The second line should be: gnome-session |
| 21:36.24 | sehute | Aghaster: save the file, log out of X, choose "custom session" in GDM, if that's what you're using, log in again, and it should hopefully work :) |
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| 21:37.31 | Aghaster | custom session? |
| 21:37.38 | Aghaster | my user session? |
| 21:37.47 | sehute | Aghaster: yes, there should be a "Session" button in GDM, after you've logged out |
| 21:38.00 | Aghaster | ok |
| 21:38.02 | Aghaster | brb |
| 21:38.13 | sehute | robin__: What's the shudder for? :-) |
| 21:38.52 | robin__ | someone said GDM, but its OK, I managed to make the sign of the cross and throw some goats-blood over my left shoulder |
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| 21:39.00 | sehute | robin__: :-D |
| 21:39.07 | chin1 | my isa sound card was not detected by alsaconf what can i do here ? |
| 21:39.09 | Eulex | !gdm |
| 21:39.09 | dpkg | gdm is probably the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 21:39.10 | sehute | robin__: What's you're favorite then? xdm? :) |
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| 21:39.24 | robin__ | not that its helping me sove this CUPS thing |
| 21:39.51 | sehute | robin__: I've messed around a bit with CUPS, what's the problem? :) |
| 21:40.04 | robin__ | me? Oh, O like a nice plain terminal. gimme a login prompt any day :) |
| 21:40.20 | robin__ | sehute, struggling to get it to play with a networked laserjet |
| 21:40.22 | sehute | robin__: You use screen as well, then, I assume? :) |
| 21:40.42 | sehute | robin__: do you have the "lo" network interface configured? |
| 21:40.42 | robin__ | ctrl-alt-f[1..6] |
| 21:40.51 | sehute | robin__: that proved to be crucial, last time I tried CUPS |
| 21:41.07 | robin__ | yeah, I do |
| 21:41.21 | sehute | robin__: mutt, irssi and links, then? :-) |
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| 21:41.41 | sehute | Aghaster: hi again, did it work? |
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| 21:41.50 | Aghaster | ĉĵĥŝ |
| 21:41.57 | Aghaster | look at it yourself. hehe |
| 21:41.58 | sehute | Aghaster: what was that? :D |
| 21:42.08 | Aghaster | esperanto characters i wasnt able to type before |
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| 21:42.21 | sehute | Aghaster: great, so now it works? :) |
| 21:42.35 | robin__ | ahh, wait .. restarting cups after adding gs-esp seems to have changed it .. a bit |
| 21:42.40 | Aghaster | yeah, i guess the steps are the same to make it work for the root account? |
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| 21:43.35 | Arla | What is the path to the kernel in Debian? I need to know in order to install linux-wlan-ng... |
| 21:43.38 | sehute | Aghaster: well, just like bash have a local ~/.bashrc and a global /etc/bash.bashrc, .xsession have a local ~/.xsession and a global one somewhere :) |
| 21:43.47 | robin__ | sehute, well, its not cancelled and spat on the test page instantly this time .. this I consider to be an improvement |
| 21:44.00 | robin__ | its nto actually printed it either .. but hey, |
| 21:44.06 | sehute | Aghaster: If you wish to change .xsession for the root user, then it should work. But logging in as root in X is a bit unusual, I think |
| 21:44.06 | Money | i want to setup a ftp server so i can transfer files, how cna i do this? |
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| 21:44.13 | sehute | Aghaster: gksu is your friend |
| 21:44.24 | wols | Money: apt-get install vsftpd. are you behind a router? |
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| 21:44.33 | Aghaster | sehute: login as root in a terminal launched from my user session should be fine then? |
| 21:44.34 | sehute | Aghaster: "gksu xterm" starts up a terminal that you can start graphical programs from, as root |
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| 21:44.45 | wols | !sux |
| 21:44.45 | dpkg | from memory, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 21:45.06 | sehute | Aghaster: yes, I think so |
| 21:45.09 | blakkino | i'm wrong or debian don't include the recent official bittorrent client? |
| 21:45.13 | blakkino | (4.2 or somethings) |
| 21:45.20 | joseph | Do I need to keep "contrib" and "non-free" in my sources.list after I have installed the nvidia binary driver and also Sun's java? |
| 21:45.24 | wols | Notorious: which branch of debian? |
| 21:45.25 | Aghaster | blakkino: i dont know, i use azureus |
| 21:45.31 | Aghaster | from contrib |
| 21:45.32 | Money | wols: thanks for taking out the time to help me, i've installed vsftpd via apt, and i tried "service vsftpd start" but that didn't work |
| 21:45.42 | sehute | josep: I don't think debian would uninstall them |
| 21:45.45 | wols | there is no "service" in debian |
| 21:45.59 | wols | Money: /etc/init.d/vsftpd start if you installed it as a daemon |
| 21:46.04 | wols | also: are you behind a router? |
| 21:46.13 | Money | wols: yes, i'm behind a router |
| 21:46.18 | sehute | josep: all package-managers I know of would tell you before uninstalling them, anyways |
| 21:46.19 | blakkino | Aghaster, i'm fine with the official client.. but debian didn't include it? :( |
| 21:46.25 | blakkino | (and i hate java stuff) |
| 21:46.29 | wols | Money: then forget it. do not run a ftp server |
| 21:46.31 | Aghaster | i dunno |
| 21:46.47 | Money | wols: damn, ok, what is an alternative? |
| 21:46.50 | joseph | sehute: but I wouldn't get any more updates, right? Does debian even provide updates for nvidia binary driver and Sun java? |
| 21:46.58 | wols | menko: well you can, but: I won't be so masochistic to help set it up |
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| 21:47.19 | dkakon_ | hello |
| 21:47.30 | wols | menko: ssh already works. let your users use filezilla. and for anon access: nothing better than apache. _anyone_ knows how to use that |
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| 21:47.42 | Money | menko? are you talking to me wols? |
| 21:47.43 | sehute | josep: Debian does provide updates from both Nvidia and Sun, the moment they have compliant license. |
| 21:47.57 | wols | Money: with filezilla they have a nice and easy to use scp client (for accounts with username/pw) over ssh |
| 21:48.06 | wols | yes I was |
| 21:48.08 | syntaxis | joseph: nvidia drivers are provided in non-free; java updates can't be provided due to sun's license |
| 21:48.16 | sehute | josep: You can't both remove packages from sources.list, and get them updated automatically, no |
| 21:48.16 | joseph | sehute: but they won't have compliant license any time soon I image. |
| 21:48.24 | Money | well, what if i wanted the user to just enter an addres in their browser, and they could jsut download the file |
| 21:48.37 | sehute | sehute: well, who knows. In the mean time the free alternatives are getting better and better, anyways. :) |
| 21:48.43 | joseph | Another question, what is included in the "contrib" repository? Can I remove it? |
| 21:48.52 | wols | Money: that's easy |
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| 21:48.59 | wols | Money: install apache2 |
| 21:49.04 | sehute | josep: contrib are programs that most people would call free, but that aren't free enough |
| 21:49.14 | wols | Money: copy the file(s) to /var/www/ make the world readable. done |
| 21:49.15 | sehute | joseph: like Povray with their strange license |
| 21:49.35 | joseph | sehute: I don't remember, does "contrib" get added by default or did I add it myself? |
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| 21:50.01 | sehute | josep: "default" depends on the distro "did I add it myself" depends on you |
| 21:50.30 | joseph | sehute: i'm using debian sarge 'stable'.... |
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| 21:50.58 | syntaxis | joseph: check out the contents of contrib for yourself, e.g. ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/Packages |
| 21:51.01 | joseph | how can I tell which packages I have installed on my system that are from the contrib repository? Is there a way to do that? |
| 21:51.02 | Money | wols: whatever they thye in the addres bar, will it be ftp? or http? |
| 21:51.02 | robin__ | sehute: wahey ... printing :) |
| 21:51.11 | wols | Money: http |
| 21:51.12 | sehute | sehute: from what I can remember, you select that during the installation of Debian, so it's kind of hard to tell |
| 21:51.17 | sehute | robin__: congrats :) |
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| 21:51.34 | robin__ | looks like it needed a reboot after intalling gs-esp |
| 21:51.59 | Money | wols: ok |
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| 21:52.15 | syntaxis | joseph: vrms might do that |
| 21:52.35 | joseph | Virtual Richard M. Stallman ? |
| 21:53.13 | syntaxis | joseph: yep |
| 21:53.26 | Money | wols: damn, i don't have permissions as root, is it safe to chmod that folder? |
| 21:53.44 | wols | Money: which one? |
| 21:54.18 | \amethyst | joseph: aptitude search ~i~scontrib |
| 21:54.40 | syntaxis | joseph: also, aptitude will display packages obtained from sources other than those in your sources.list under "Obsolete and locally created packages" - so if you remove contrib from your sources.list, all installed contrib packages will be shown under that heading |
| 21:54.42 | Money | \the wwe folder |
| 21:54.44 | Money | www* |
| 21:55.05 | robin__ | so, CUPS .. one last thang ... in general is it normal to run cupsysd on all the machines accessign the netowrkked printer directly? or one cups server and the other machiens are clients to it in some random way? |
| 21:55.22 | syntaxis | \amethyst: cool :-) *jots that down* |
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| 21:55.37 | joseph | okay thanks |
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| 21:56.02 | \amethyst | syntaxis: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html |
| 21:56.26 | chin1 | whats better a nvidia tnt2 vanta or a ati rage pro ? |
| 21:56.28 | Money | wols: the www folder |
| 21:56.31 | sehute | josep: if you wish to use a tool that doesn't force you to type stuff like ~i~scontrib, Synaptic or Adept might be good choices |
| 21:56.48 | \amethyst | sehute: aptitude doesn't force you to |
| 21:56.52 | sehute | \amethyst: ;) |
| 21:56.53 | \amethyst | but you can :) |
| 21:57.05 | syntaxis | \amethyst: ta |
| 21:57.06 | wols | Money: you can |
| 21:57.09 | \amethyst | besides, you can use those from the command line too |
| 21:57.10 | chin1 | anyone have any idea ? |
| 21:57.13 | sehute | \amethyst: aptitude has always messed up my packages. I don't liek it |
| 21:57.17 | sehute | *like |
| 21:57.20 | wols | chin1: does it matter? |
| 21:57.25 | chin1 | yes |
| 21:57.26 | joseph | what would happen if I took non free out of my sources.list? I have these non-free packages installed: sun-j2re1.5, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-3-686-smp, and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 21:57.28 | chin1 | i want the fastest |
| 21:57.38 | \amethyst | joseph: you wouldn't get updates too them |
| 21:57.42 | wols | then run benches |
| 21:57.42 | \amethyst | s/too/to/ |
| 21:57.49 | sehute | chin1: my guess is nvidia |
| 21:57.55 | joseph | \amethyst: yes but do updates ever come out for those packages anyway? |
| 21:58.11 | \amethyst | joseph: you might want a different nvidia-kernel package when you upgrade your kernel :) |
| 21:58.26 | joseph | \amethyst: does debian stable get kernel upgrades? |
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| 21:58.38 | \amethyst | joseph: when security issues arise |
| 21:58.38 | rainy-day | hi, what driver do i use for nvidia tnt2 cards? |
| 21:58.43 | rainy-day | i mean xorg driver |
| 21:58.45 | wols | joseph: it recently got one |
| 21:58.48 | wols | joseph: check dsa |
| 21:59.07 | wols | rainy-day: nv. or nvidia |
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| 21:59.19 | \amethyst | joseph: and the sun- package probably didn't even come from an apt repository |
| 21:59.21 | rainy-day | oh, thanks |
| 21:59.21 | xdfer | sudo make-kpkg --append-to-version=.XXXX --initrd kernel_image <-- im compiling kernel 2.6.16.1, what goes on the .XXXX the version number of the kernel Âż? like 2.6.16.1 or not? |
| 21:59.31 | syntaxis | \amethyst, joseph: contrib and non-free are not supported by the security team |
| 21:59.36 | rainy-day | i was looking for nvidia and missed nv :P |
| 21:59.39 | Money | wols: 755 is the code to let all users read/write/ right? |
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| 21:59.55 | wols | Money: no |
| 21:59.56 | rainy-day | what's atimisc driver for? is it for older ati cards maybe? |
| 21:59.58 | wols | 666 is that |
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| 22:00.09 | \amethyst | Money: 4777 is probably what you want for a public r/w directory |
| 22:00.15 | wols | rainy-day: ever heard of manuals? |
| 22:00.15 | Money | k |
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| 22:00.44 | rainy-day | wols: sorry.. sometimes it's hard to find anything in those.. |
| 22:01.07 | Money | wols: k, the file is in www directory, whats the name of the address to use so i can download it? |
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| 22:01.34 | wols | rainy-day: do you think we know every driver of X? |
| 22:01.48 | wols | Money: www.yourdomain/filename.ext |
| 22:02.04 | rainy-day | wols: you're very clever, I'd be surprised if you didn't :) |
| 22:02.24 | Money | wols: my domain? is that my IP address? i forgot what it was |
| 22:02.24 | wols | rainy-day: clever people aren't maso... :P |
| 22:02.32 | joseph | syntaxis: contrib and non-free are not supported by the security team. But if a package from contrib or non-free depends upon a package from main (like the kernel), and the kernel was upgraded, then the dependant packages from contrib and non-free would get updates appropriately, right? |
| 22:02.40 | wols | no IP works yes, but you need a public DNS name |
| 22:02.42 | rainy-day | wols: often they are! :) |
| 22:02.58 | wols | Money: a domainname, you know? |
| 22:03.01 | Money | wols: so you mean i can choose any DNS namei want? |
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| 22:03.07 | wols | no |
| 22:03.20 | wols | you need to register one. if you want a .com one for example that costs money per year |
| 22:03.21 | Money | wols :( ok, so whats my public dns name? |
| 22:03.24 | syntaxis | joseph: that depends on whether or not the maintainers co-ordinated their efforts |
| 22:03.28 | wols | Money: I dunno |
| 22:03.30 | Money | oh, wait |
| 22:03.38 | wols | Money: read up on dyndns I'd say |
| 22:03.43 | syntaxis | joseph: but for stable there won't be any non-critical updates, anyway |
| 22:03.48 | Money | wtf, for all this, i could have justuploaded the file to my freewebs account : |
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| 22:06.31 | rainy-day | let it never be said that i'm an idiot: I got xinerama to work finally! |
| 22:06.54 | wols | rainy-day: so you're an idiot savant now? :P |
| 22:07.04 | rainy-day | wots savant? |
| 22:07.14 | flosch | brb |
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| 22:07.34 | rainy-day | first you make me reach for manuals, then for dictionaries.. wols is pure evil :P |
| 22:07.55 | \amethyst | rainy-day: Fr. idiot savant, `wise idiot'. Someone who is extraordinarily good at one thing but otherwise incompetent |
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| 22:08.02 | Money | wols: so if i wanted a dns name, i could jssut register one at dot.tk right? |
| 22:08.03 | dvs | rainy-day: any else you would like to mess up? ;-) |
| 22:08.09 | \amethyst | rainy-day: you've seen Rainman? |
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| 22:08.25 | \amethyst | Err, Rain Man |
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| 22:08.47 | Money | how do i find out my IP address? |
| 22:08.51 | rainy-day | ohh |
| 22:09.01 | rainy-day | amethyst, i saw parts of it |
| 22:09.07 | rainy-day | Maybe 5 minutes |
| 22:09.12 | \amethyst | rainy-day: Dustin Hoffman's character |
| 22:09.14 | joseph | I wish I could install nvidia, java, and flash without having to add non-free and contrib repositories. |
| 22:09.25 | rainy-day | amethyst, I see |
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| 22:09.53 | rainy-day | unever development of abilities, bad |
| 22:09.56 | rainy-day | doh |
| 22:09.57 | rainy-day | uneven even |
| 22:10.05 | \amethyst | `Idiot savant' used to be used for autism, until psychiatrists stopped being such asses |
| 22:10.06 | wols | joseph: installing non free software without such repositories? you demand the impossible |
| 22:10.34 | rainy-day | i think right now the politically polite verbage is 'dumbass'? |
| 22:10.35 | \amethyst | Now it's taken a more extended, non-technical meaning, but the reference is still apparent |
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| 22:10.46 | joseph | wols: why does java and flash have to be non-free? aren't there any free implementations? |
| 22:11.00 | chealer | joseph: "install nvidia"? |
| 22:11.00 | zamolxes | joseph: there are |
| 22:11.04 | Money | wols: please help, i tried www.24.125.88.226/bible.pdf but it dind't work |
| 22:11.05 | \amethyst | joseph: there are, but they are missing some functionality |
| 22:11.15 | rbochan | I'm hoping someone might be able to help me out with some issues with atftpd timing out |
| 22:11.27 | Gathond | joseph: there are, install the gcc java thingy, gjc I think, but its slow and uses insane amounts of memory |
| 22:11.37 | \amethyst | There's also jikes |
| 22:11.39 | streuner | Money: www is wrong |
| 22:11.44 | \amethyst | but it's not a vm |
| 22:11.47 | joseph | hrm |
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| 22:12.00 | Money | streuner: you have no idea what im even talking about |
| 22:12.02 | streuner | Money: if you want an IP just use http://1.2.3.4 |
| 22:12.16 | joseph | I was just gonna use the 'nv' free driver, but it doesn't support my Geforce6800GT |
| 22:12.21 | Money | streuner: im not talking about that, i'm tlaking abot somethin else |
| 22:12.25 | streuner | www.1.2.3.4 is wrong |
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| 22:12.57 | streuner | in any case, no matter what you talking about or not |
| 22:12.58 | \amethyst | Money: www.24.125.88.226 is meaningless as a hostname. The www indicates you're using DNS, but there's no 226 tld |
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| 22:13.27 | joeyjones | !fart |
| 22:13.30 | Money | \amethyst, so what do i need to do? i need a name in place of the iP address or something |
| 22:13.51 | \amethyst | Money: you can do 24.125.88.226, without the www. |
| 22:14.16 | Money | alright, but i really wanted a name instead of an IP addres, how cani do this? |
| 22:14.27 | \amethyst | Money: find a dynamic DNS provider |
| 22:14.32 | rainy-day | hey, how can I adjust refresh rate on a monitor? i know this viewsonic is capable of 85 at current rest, but it's giving only 60 and i entered right ranges into monitor sectino of xorg.conf.. ; xvidtune says that video is not settable on this chip, but I'm not sure if it's talking about the ati card or nvidia card... |
| 22:14.32 | streuner | Money: dyndns.org |
| 22:14.47 | \amethyst | Money: or pay for a domain and for someone to run your nameserver |
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| 22:15.09 | Money | ok, so when i register, put my IP in the text field? |
| 22:15.22 | unstable | !tell rainy-day about drxx |
| 22:15.42 | Money | i have to register a doman, so put my IP address there? |
| 22:15.54 | \amethyst | Money: you want a domain name, you get to pick one |
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| 22:16.03 | rainy-day | unstable: no, that doesn't set refresh rate.. |
| 22:16.20 | \amethyst | Money: if you don't care what it is, you can use c-24-125-88-226.hsd1.va.comcast.net |
| 22:16.26 | \amethyst | without registering anything |
| 22:16.29 | unstable | I thought it did, rainy-day then just manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:16.49 | rainy-day | unstable: that sets the *range*, which I did do, but it still gives me low refresh rate |
| 22:17.32 | bloop | Hi I need help with sound on my system please. I get this error: Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System' |
| 22:17.48 | unstable | !alsa-bork |
| 22:17.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 22:18.08 | dvs | bloop: are you using ALSA? |
| 22:18.28 | \amethyst | rainy-day: is the horizontal sync range set correctly too? The permissable vsyncs depend on the permissable hsyncs (you have to fit (YRES + a few) hsyncs into each vsync) |
| 22:18.30 | Money | i do care what i use, i want it to be "linuxfileserver" |
| 22:18.30 | bloop | dvs: i don't know. I'm using debian sarge. and sounds works fine on my other profile. it just doesn't work on this one. |
| 22:19.02 | Money | \amethyst, i want it to be "linuxfileserver" |
| 22:19.03 | rainy-day | \amethyst: i set them both as per monitor manual.. |
| 22:19.08 | dvs | bloop: lsmod | grep snd |
| 22:19.14 | Money | i t keeps saying mproper format |
| 22:19.15 | Money | wtf |
| 22:19.36 | Money | oh |
| 22:19.39 | Money | wait, i know the format now |
| 22:19.47 | bloop | dvs: yes I got about 15 lines from that |
| 22:19.49 | \amethyst | rainy-day: hmm.. do you have a modeline for the resolution/vsync you want? |
| 22:19.50 | streuner | Money: you don't |
| 22:20.01 | dvs | bloop: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 22:20.13 | rainy-day | \amethyst: i do have moduline, but maybe it doesn't tell the vsync, let me see.. |
| 22:20.14 | \amethyst | rainy-day: and if so, do your X logs say anything about that modeline |
| 22:20.39 | bloop | dvs: okay I did that but no result on the console |
| 22:20.49 | dvs | bloop: Now try it |
| 22:20.51 | rainy-day | \amethyst: it just lists depth and resolution |
| 22:21.04 | rainy-day | i mean in the conf file |
| 22:21.10 | rainy-day | let me see the logs |
| 22:21.39 | streuner | Money: DNS just resolve an IP, not more or less |
| 22:21.45 | bloop | dvs: still says: Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System |
| 22:22.01 | streuner | Money: go to tldp.org and read something about DNS |
| 22:22.12 | streuner | Money: or just google |
| 22:22.26 | dvs | bloop: are you part of the audio group? |
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| 22:22.36 | bloop | dvs: maybe not, let me check |
| 22:23.18 | Money | \amethyst, ok, should i choose register with custom dns or register only? |
| 22:23.18 | bloop | dvs: no looks like my other user isn't a member of any group at all |
| 22:23.34 | dvs | bloop: That could be a problem. ;-) |
| 22:23.52 | \amethyst | Money: You'll have to read their documentation |
| 22:23.55 | bloop | dvs: but I added the user with the gnome "users and groups" app....so I figured it did all that stuff automatically. |
| 22:24.25 | Money | Register Only |
| 22:24.25 | Money | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.26 | dvs | bloop: I don't use the GUI so I'm not sure of that works or not. |
| 22:24.33 | Money | thats probally better right? |
| 22:24.57 | streuner | Money: the last thing prolly not... |
| 22:24.58 | \amethyst | Money: custom DNS is what you need... you really don't want your DNS on a dynamic connection |
| 22:25.00 | bloop | dvs: maybe that is a bug and maybe it's fixed in 'etch' |
| 22:25.15 | \amethyst | Money: or you can sign up with someone else for the DNS server |
| 22:25.23 | bloop | dvs: anyhow thanks for the help |
| 22:25.26 | streuner | Money: or you just use an dynamic IP service provider |
| 22:25.40 | dvs | bloop: you're welcome |
| 22:25.43 | streuner | Money: dyndns.org or no-ip.com |
| 22:25.55 | streuner | Money: besides, there are many others |
| 22:26.10 | \amethyst | dyndns.org looks like an ordinary registrar now |
| 22:26.11 | Money | \amethyst, k, i'll chooose the custom dns |
| 22:26.15 | rainy-day | \amethyst: i found that place in x logs.. it lists the modeline for the high res, and it says the refresh rate is 60hz, so it looks like it looks at the range I gave it and improperly thinks that it can't do more than 60hz at that res..? |
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| 22:26.45 | \amethyst | Money: ah, dynamic DNS is the service you want |
| 22:27.05 | \amethyst | Money: http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/ |
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| 22:28.21 | foo | On my dell laptop, the keyboard is weird when I type. On my laptop, I have the Fn key, and some keys have numbers over them. When I press the letters, the numbers are typed on the system. If I hold Fn and press the key, the letter types, if I don't press Fn then the number types. |
| 22:28.25 | foo | Any ideas? |
| 22:28.29 | \amethyst | rainy-day: What resolution are you using? |
| 22:28.54 | rainy-day | foo: turn off numlock |
| 22:28.57 | Jake | I just installed postfix via apt... but it doesnt work :( ... "fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory" |
| 22:29.11 | rainy-day | \amethyst: 1024 x 768 |
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| 22:29.24 | \amethyst | rainy-day: this is a CRT, right? |
| 22:29.38 | rainy-day | \amethyst: yep, optiquest 15" q51 |
| 22:30.02 | Money | \amethyst? wha, i was already on the site, regitering an account??? |
| 22:30.04 | \amethyst | rainy-day: search the web for some 75Hz (or whatever) modelines for your resolution |
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| 22:30.06 | emrys | is the person responsible for http://wiki.debian.org/LTSPDevelopment available? |
| 22:30.14 | rainy-day | \amethyst: okay thanks |
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| 22:30.33 | \amethyst | rainy-day: put them in the Monitor section |
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| 22:30.45 | \amethyst | rainy-day: X will throw them out if they go outside the ranges you set |
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| 22:31.27 | Money | \amethyst, ok, what do i do when i go to the link you gave me? |
| 22:31.50 | streuner | Money: read the instructions? |
| 22:32.00 | Money | go to add dynamic dns? |
| 22:32.27 | streuner | yes, and choose an hostname |
| 22:32.33 | emrys | really I'm looking for a bazaar-ng admin for debian, I have some questions about how you did some of your config |
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| 22:34.13 | dvs | rainy-day: What frequencies do you have? |
| 22:36.29 | rainy-day | dvs: you mean what is the range for this monitor? 30-54, 50-120 |
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| 22:37.15 | dvs | rainy-day: looks reasonable. |
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| 22:38.48 | rainy-day | amethyst's suggestion worked! |
| 22:38.51 | rainy-day | I'm at 75hz now |
| 22:38.58 | rainy-day | yay |
| 22:39.00 | rainy-day | :) |
| 22:39.10 | rainy-day | <- finally happy for the next 5 minutes |
| 22:39.36 | streuner | hehe |
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| 22:40.13 | streuner | hades: stop that |
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| 22:41.27 | malder | Got debian up with netinstall and installed kde (apt-get install kde), but how do I start kde and then get it to automatically run kde when I boot? |
| 22:41.41 | dvs | malder: apt-get install kdm |
| 22:41.45 | streuner | install kdm |
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| 22:42.23 | malder | dvs: I did that already... should it be booting to kde automatically? |
| 22:42.37 | dvs | malder: it should |
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| 22:43.04 | dvs | malder: try "/etc/init.d/kdm start" |
| 22:43.23 | malder | ok |
| 22:43.24 | malder | thanks |
| 22:43.26 | malder | I'll try |
| 22:43.29 | malder | exit |
| 22:43.35 | dvs | !quit |
| 22:43.35 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 22:43.38 | malder | hehe |
| 22:43.43 | Money | enable wildcard? |
| 22:44.05 | streuner | if you want vhost |
| 22:44.26 | streuner | usually you don't need it |
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| 22:45.10 | Money | ok,m i didn't check it |
| 22:45.12 | Money | alright |
| 22:45.13 | Money | here it is |
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| 22:45.40 | Money | www.linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc |
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| 22:45.57 | Money | why didn't it work??? |
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| 22:46.55 | unstable | Money: You have been in here for days...what are you trying to do? |
| 22:47.16 | Money | struner: linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc why didn't it worked |
| 22:47.18 | Money | i registered it |
| 22:47.38 | streuner | Money: host hostname just give NO IP... |
| 22:47.58 | streuner | s/hostname/www.linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc/ |
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| 22:48.19 | streuner | you have to tell DNS what IP you have |
| 22:48.35 | streuner | via your hardware-router or via ddclient for example |
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| 22:49.00 | rainy-day | can I make a dir on vfat partition writable by normal users? |
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| 22:49.11 | streuner | !vfat+rw |
| 22:49.16 | wols | !umask |
| 22:49.16 | dpkg | it has been said that umask is 'man 2 umask', or there is no manpage for umask, or the apt-get install manpages-dev to install the manpage for umask |
| 22:49.26 | wols | !vfat-rw |
| 22:49.27 | streuner | !listkeys vfat |
| 22:49.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'vfat' by key (14): _default mkfs.vfat ;; _default vfatrw ;; _default rw-vfat ;; _default vfat ;; user accessible vfat ;; vfat ;; mkfs.vfat ;; _default rwvfat ;; #debian rw-vfat ;; rw-vfat ;; #debian vfatrw ;; says: methinks vfat ;; vfatrw ;; rwvfat. |
| 22:49.29 | Money | are you serious??? so im suppsoed to do s/(IP here)/www.linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc???? |
| 22:49.40 | wols | !vfatrw |
| 22:49.40 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 22:49.41 | lamp_ | can it be that the debian mirror of kuleuven belgium is slower in updates for testing than the ftp.debian.org |
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| 22:50.08 | streuner | Money: 1. April is over here ;-) |
| 22:50.20 | agro86 | ciao a tutti |
| 22:50.22 | streuner | Money: so read the docs of ddclient |
| 22:50.24 | rainy-day | wols, streuner, thanks a ton!! |
| 22:50.33 | dvs | agro86: Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 22:50.36 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- do I have to match my ram ? IE: Can I buy one stick of PC3200 RAM at 1GB and install it with a 512mb stick also PC3200? |
| 22:50.44 | Money | GAHH i did everything you told me to do !!!~!!!!!! |
| 22:50.44 | Money | \ |
| 22:50.57 | wols | SexyKen: depends on your CPU |
| 22:51.01 | dvs | SexyKen: Sure, you just won't have dual channel |
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| 22:51.09 | SexyKen | dvs -- what do you mean |
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| 22:51.16 | streuner | damn, you are pretty fast, within 5 seconds and you read the whole docs of ddclient... |
| 22:51.18 | SexyKen | I have an AMD 64bit CPU |
| 22:51.26 | wols | dvs: try that setup with a athlon64 939pin. you won't be happy... |
| 22:51.31 | p4olo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:51.39 | wols | SexyKen: how many pins? |
| 22:51.45 | dvs | SexyKen: Some motherboards can use both memory sticks at the same time making the transfer twice as fast |
| 22:51.45 | SexyKen | The ram or the CPU? |
| 22:51.46 | maatttt | if I want to make some .h header files available, where in a Sarge installation should I put them ? |
| 22:51.52 | p4olo | now i am at the linuxclub in Italy Rome Via Libetta 15/C 00154 Roma |
| 22:51.55 | wols | SexyKen: CPU |
| 22:52.04 | SexyKen | My CPU is a....uhm...shoot |
| 22:52.09 | p4olo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.17 | wols | 754 or 939 pins |
| 22:52.28 | p4olo | http://2004.gulev.org.mx/guests.php now she here |
| 22:52.44 | p4olo | and is writing on the pc |
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| 22:53.01 | p4olo | i never imagine to find near an important person that is the Evangelist of Free Software |
| 22:53.09 | SexyKen | Well |
| 22:53.16 | p4olo | this was a funny surprise |
| 22:53.17 | SexyKen | I'm running a ECS 755-A2 board. |
| 22:53.24 | wols | p4olo: whoever this tania is. |
| 22:53.49 | p4olo | yes, shw is here |
| 22:53.55 | p4olo | she is here |
| 22:54.03 | p4olo | in italy |
| 22:54.04 | thing | bye all |
| 22:54.08 | SexyKen | Ah |
| 22:54.11 | SexyKen | wols: Socket 754 for AMD K8 Athlon 64 processor |
| 22:54.15 | SexyKen | So it must be 754 |
| 22:55.12 | SexyKen | wols: Why? |
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| 22:55.46 | dvs | SexyKen: I think he's implying that socket 939 need both to be identical |
| 22:55.49 | SexyKen | So is it okay to run 512mb with a 1gb stick of ram? |
| 22:55.50 | Bone | how do you setup a fileserver on linux? |
| 22:55.58 | wols_ | SexyKen: then you can |
| 22:56.03 | SexyKen | Will it run just as good? |
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| 22:56.07 | SexyKen | I mean |
| 22:56.13 | wols_ | SexyKen: yes |
| 22:56.16 | SexyKen | Will it be better to run 1gb stick a lone, or a 1gb stick with the 512mb |
| 22:56.44 | foo | rainy-day: How can I turn off numlock on my system? Since I don't actually have a keypad |
| 22:56.47 | foo | hmm |
| 22:56.55 | wols_ | depends. with the 1GB alone you might be able to run stricter timeings, but on the whole I'd rather have the 512MB more memory |
| 22:57.15 | Bone | can anyone tell me how to setup a fileserver on linux, not a ftp server but a file server |
| 22:57.25 | wols_ | then again: you run a ECS. so forget timings and such |
| 22:57.34 | wols_ | Bone: NFS or samba? |
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| 22:57.46 | wols_ | Bone: for both there are howtos |
| 22:57.59 | Bone | i guess NFS, which one is betteR? |
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| 22:58.41 | wols_ | !better |
| 22:58.41 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 22:58.45 | lamp_ | can it be that the debian mirror of kuleuven belgium is slower in updates for testing than the ftp.debian.org |
| 22:59.02 | wols_ | lamp_: best ask the folks in kuleuven |
| 22:59.44 | Bone | wols: which one is safer, securer, faster? |
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| 23:01.28 | abrotman | most certainly |
| 23:01.31 | zood_ | Anybody have a favorite program for torrents? |
| 23:01.39 | abrotman | apt-cache search torrent .. pick one |
| 23:02.18 | Bone | alright, wols, i'll use NFS then, where is the howto located? |
| 23:02.27 | zood_ | ty |
| 23:02.37 | wols_ | tldp.org |
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| 23:03.03 | maatttt | how do I use a Makefile.am dn Makefile.in ? |
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| 23:04.08 | Devastator | i'm thinking in compile kernel 2.6.16.1 on my debian sarge.. any tips? my pc: a7v600-x, geforce 5200FX.. |
| 23:04.22 | malder | so I can't get kde to start. apt says the latest version is installed. There is no /etc/init.d/kde. Is there some other way to start kde. |
| 23:04.24 | malder | ? |
| 23:05.13 | goneri | malder: startkde |
| 23:05.27 | malder | just at the command prompt? |
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| 23:05.34 | wols_ | how do I stop a program so that it doesn't keep a socket in TIME_WAIT state? |
| 23:05.50 | wols_ | it's a commandline program that by design, "runs foever" |
| 23:06.07 | sehute | wols: yes |
| 23:06.20 | sehute | wols: that is also the name of the program |
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| 23:06.35 | abrotman | wols: nohup ? |
| 23:06.44 | sehute | wols: /usr/bin/yes |
| 23:06.48 | wols_ | abrotman: no. socat |
| 23:07.10 | RvGaTe | good evening/night all |
| 23:07.19 | abrotman | !qotd153 |
| 23:07.19 | dpkg | qotd153 is probably <asg> abrotman: yes, I'm waiting for the german scat collection myself |
| 23:07.19 | malder | can I change anything in grub from knoppix? |
| 23:07.30 | wols_ | if I ctrl+c it, it will keep the socket it listens on in TIME_WAIT. if I immediately restart, the program can't bind to that socket of course |
| 23:07.34 | Bone | wols: im behind a router, and thats why i can't setup an ftp server, but can i still setup a fileserver? |
| 23:07.49 | wols_ | malder: yes. you can edit menu.lst |
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| 23:08.13 | wols_ | Bone: no. it's a totally stupid thing to expose a fileserver to the internet |
| 23:08.16 | Devastator | i'm thinking in compile kernel 2.6.16.1 on my debian sarge.. any tips? my pc: a7v600-x, geforce 5200FX.. |
| 23:08.39 | wols_ | abrotman: any suggestion. a special kill command? |
| 23:08.50 | Bone | wols: so your saying i shouldn't setup a fileserveR? why? |
| 23:09.01 | abrotman | wols: pkill! |
| 23:09.03 | wols_ | Bone: cause it's insecure |
| 23:09.23 | SaThaRiel | wols_: I think you will have to wait 2 minutes before starting the program again. The socket should be closed automatically. |
| 23:09.23 | Bone | well, im behind a router, im gonna setup NFS :) |
| 23:09.25 | malder | wols: where is menu.lst? /hda1? |
| 23:09.33 | abrotman | /boot/grub/ |
| 23:09.34 | sehute | malder /boot |
| 23:09.41 | malder | thanks |
| 23:09.43 | sehute | malder: like abrotman said |
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| 23:10.09 | wols_ | abrotman: no workie. "address already in use" again |
| 23:10.33 | sehute | wols_: what do you wish to kill? |
| 23:10.39 | Delta[Da] | Is there anyway to see my cpu temp? :/ |
| 23:10.46 | wols_ | Bone: good luck |
| 23:10.55 | abrotman | wols: address? |
| 23:11.02 | wols_ | Delta[Da]: lm_sensors. not all sensors are supported tho |
| 23:11.11 | wols_ | sehute: socat |
| 23:11.11 | Bone | wols: thanks, where is the howto located, or where ca i find a tutorial on it, |
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| 23:11.38 | Delta[Da] | Wols: Thank You but I am unable to configure such things. |
| 23:11.46 | sehute | wols_: pkill -f "word that's in the name of the process", kill, kill -9, kill -15 |
| 23:11.47 | wols_ | Delta[Da]: tough then |
| 23:11.52 | sehute | wols: htop is a nice tool, btw |
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| 23:12.01 | sehute | wols: I always think of it as "happy top" |
| 23:12.07 | wols_ | sehute: you don't understand a thing, right? do you know what a socket is? |
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| 23:12.44 | sehute | wols_: I don't know what socat is, but I have programmed sockets in C, Pascal, Java, Python and C# |
| 23:12.54 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 23:13.04 | Devastator | do you see my question? anybody? |
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| 23:13.13 | sehute | abrotman: that's it. No socket programming in C++ nor Lisp |
| 23:13.14 | Fox_1_ | can squid block the banners only that IP which i want? |
| 23:13.17 | wols_ | then you should know what a TIME_WAIT is. and socat terminates just fine. it just doesn't close the socket beforehand |
| 23:13.35 | Fox_1_ | can squid block the banners only for that IP which i want? |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | sehute: real men use cobol for socket programming! |
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| 23:14.05 | wols_ | abrotman: real men enter hex numbers |
| 23:14.08 | sehute | wols_: well, I might should have, but I still don't know. Sorry I couldn't help |
| 23:14.18 | sehute | abrotman: No, Brainfuck! ;) |
| 23:14.31 | abrotman | sehute: try whitespace |
| 23:14.34 | sehute | abrotman: well, that isn't really possible |
| 23:14.42 | sehute | abrotman: I've seen whitespace. :-D |
| 23:14.44 | Bone | hey, how come whenyou download some files from sites, like ftp.afile.zip, you jsut enter that in the browser and you download it, is that ftp, i thought you need a client or something to download files from ftp |
| 23:15.11 | wols_ | Bone: yes, a browser is a ftp client. shocking, huh? |
| 23:15.13 | gnufan | Devastator: why? |
| 23:15.32 | malder | I have an xp install located on sda1 that debian couldn't find. What would I put for root (hd0,0) |
| 23:15.33 | sehute | wols_: I might have used TIME_WAIT in C, but that's many years ago. |
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| 23:16.01 | Bone | wols: im a damn idiot, *hits kneecaps with hammer* :( |
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| 23:16.34 | ecdemo | malder: what's hd0? |
| 23:16.48 | wols_ | Bone: if you want to share files over the internet símilar but yet unlike ftp, use http. use a webserver |
| 23:17.01 | wols_ | ecdemo: disk 0x80 for BIOS |
| 23:17.12 | ecdemo | which is? |
| 23:17.21 | wols_ | ecdemo: if he has no ATA disks, it's probably sda |
| 23:17.30 | malder | ecdemo: not sure... hard disk 0? |
| 23:17.32 | wols_ | depends on what and how many other disks he has |
| 23:17.39 | malder | I have 3 HDs |
| 23:17.42 | Bone | wols, nah, i think im gonna use NFS :) |
| 23:17.57 | gnufan | malder: sounds about right to me... you should be able to try it in grub easily enough -- I think it also has some search facilities -- grub has a lot of secret magic |
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| 23:18.03 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 23:18.03 | ecdemo | what if you hit tab after (hd0 |
| 23:18.06 | syuusuke | hello all, i have a question.. where can I find a list of links so I could add it to my sources.list for apt-get |
| 23:18.10 | wols_ | Bone: what OS will your clients use? |
| 23:18.17 | ecdemo | are you in grub shell |
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| 23:18.32 | malder | ecdemo: no.. just editing menu.lst |
| 23:18.37 | gnufan | syuusuke: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 23:18.57 | Bone | wols: any OS they have, probally windows |
| 23:18.57 | ramiroec | my work-partner make a mistake |
| 23:19.01 | syuusuke | the nvidia proprietary drivers |
| 23:19.10 | ramiroec | he want to type: chmod -R 777 /home/user |
| 23:19.14 | gnufan | malder: boot grub, use grub to figure it out, and then edit menu.lst laster |
| 23:19.20 | ramiroec | and typed : chmod -R 777 / home/user |
| 23:19.29 | ramiroec | and now, he cant enter to the system |
| 23:19.30 | malder | gnufan: k... I'll try that |
| 23:19.31 | gnufan | malder: s/laster/later |
| 23:19.36 | ramiroec | is trere a solution ? |
| 23:19.38 | wols_ | Bone: hehe. you're funnier by the minute. ever seen NFS software for windows? ewll there is SFU of course... :) |
| 23:20.12 | ecdemo | malder: do you ever change the boot order in the bios |
| 23:20.16 | wols_ | syuusuke: contrib and non-free |
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| 23:20.33 | gnufan | !tell syuusuke about nvidia |
| 23:20.44 | wols_ | ramiroec: yes, it's called reinstall |
| 23:20.56 | syuusuke | what is the difference between contrib and non-free? |
| 23:20.59 | wols_ | ramiroec: if he was root while typing it |
| 23:20.59 | Bone | so, i should use SFU? |
| 23:21.20 | gnufan | syuusuke: unless you want 3D stuff do read the benchmarks |
| 23:21.22 | wols_ | Bone: since you are obviosuly incapable of understanding, I stop here |
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| 23:21.34 | Bone | wols: lol |
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| 23:22.09 | Bone | well, iwant to share files over the internet, but i want them to like"ftp.filehere.tar.gz" or somethng |
| 23:22.12 | malder | ecdemo: no. I don't. |
| 23:22.27 | wols_ | Bone: use a webserver |
| 23:22.31 | Bone | i tried that |
| 23:22.38 | Bone | i tried apache but that didn't work |
| 23:22.54 | gnufan | Bone: persist with apache..... |
| 23:22.59 | malder | ecdemo: if I hit esc during POST it brings up a boot menu. The default is to boot to my first ATA HDD |
| 23:23.00 | wols_ | I can tell you that nfs or samba will be harder than apache. for you and your clients both. so good luck |
| 23:23.34 | Bone | gnufan: i still have apach installed but i got the name and everything, i registered it, it was www.linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc/bible.pdf |
| 23:23.37 | Bone | but it didn't work |
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| 23:24.05 | gnufan | Bone: www.linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc does exist |
| 23:24.16 | Bone | hmm? |
| 23:24.20 | Bone | it worked for you? |
| 23:24.25 | evaded | Hi guys :-) I have receive an 'Hercule smart TV' card. I want to use it :-) i have look on the net. I not know exactly what i need to do. I think that i need to use 'Mythtv' (not sure). Someone could give some tips to begin my search? |
| 23:24.49 | Bone | gnufan: wha? i jsut tried it, and it said it couldn't be found |
| 23:24.53 | syuusuke | gnufan: oh, i just want to install the driver and switch to a higher resolution. right now i'm running vesa and I can only go upto 800x600 |
| 23:24.53 | gnufan | Bone: "dig www.linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc" returns NXDOMAIN -- means non-existent domain |
| 23:25.25 | wols_ | Bone/money/avont: have you portforwarded port 80 in your router? also you did NOT registers www.linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc cause you only get a third level domain. remove that www. then it will try to access your server (if you have port 80 forwarded from your router) |
| 23:25.26 | Bone | well, i registered it at the dns site |
| 23:25.29 | gnufan | syuusuke: wrong guy to ask - no nvidia hardware -- I just knew dpkg knew -- been here too long ;) |
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| 23:25.37 | ecdemo | malder: if you were to choose a different boot drive which caused windows to boot, would it change the drive letters? |
| 23:25.41 | wols_ | Bone: then READ what you registered |
| 23:25.54 | Bone | linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc |
| 23:26.02 | syuusuke | gnufan: dang :\ |
| 23:26.03 | gnufan | bone "dig linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc " maps to your IP address ;) |
| 23:26.03 | evaded | I not know where to begin. The card are here on my desk... So i want to first know a bit before i screw it in my PC |
| 23:26.19 | gnufan | Bone: can I port scan your box? |
| 23:26.35 | wols_ | guk: don't use such commands. he doesn't understand them. and he doesn't want to read to get more understanding either I guess |
| 23:26.37 | Bone | gnufan: go ahead, but my port 80 is already forwarded im sure |
| 23:26.49 | malder | ecdemo: I have tried booting to the drive that has XP on it. It says insert boot disk or something like that... |
| 23:26.53 | evaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.26 | wols_ | evaded: first you need to put the card into your PC: relax it won't bite you or your PC |
| 23:27.38 | ecdemo | malder: so maybe it got confused about which drive was what for that period? |
| 23:27.44 | wols_ | evaded: beofre you haven't run lspci and seen what chipset it uses, you can't search for drivers |
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| 23:28.13 | evaded | wols_: I like to take precautions, like i not know how to ;-) ok i screw it inside :-) |
| 23:28.17 | gnufan | Bone: " telnet linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc 80" doesn't connect :( firewall, is apache running (ps -ef | grep apac) |
| 23:28.25 | evaded | wols_: right ;-) |
| 23:29.05 | wols_ | Bone: netstat -anp |grep LIST |grep 80 |
| 23:29.53 | Bone | gnufan: whats the overall problem? apache? i hvae to have it running, ihold |
| 23:30.13 | Bone | how do i run apache? its installed |
| 23:30.14 | malder | ecdemo: I don't know what the deal is. I had 2 xp installs working just fine (just replaced #2 with debian). Soon as I replaced #1 install with debian/grub - #2 xp install no workie. |
| 23:30.28 | gnufan | Bone: if you can telnet to port 80, or visit "http://linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc/" in a browser it is probably a firewall issue. |
| 23:30.38 | Bone | i have no firewall running |
| 23:30.48 | abrotman | ecdemo: btw .. the weird thing about that .. i had been wondering where you'd gotten to |
| 23:30.55 | wols_ | Bone: you have a router. that qualifies as one |
| 23:30.59 | gnufan | Bone: does wols_ command show anything listening on port 80 |
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| 23:31.21 | gnufan | bone some thing like "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -" |
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| 23:32.22 | ecdemo | abrotman: sorta long story... occasionally the ops didn't appreciate my presence while I was trying to help |
| 23:32.27 | ecdemo | so I stopped helping |
| 23:32.46 | grendelson | when I try to remove nvidia-glx I get an error message it is broken and it can't over write ename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' with |
| 23:32.47 | gnufan | Bone: like most service apache2 is started with "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" you can also check the config with "apache2ctl configtest" |
| 23:32.48 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.49 | Bone | hold on a sec |
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| 23:33.09 | ecdemo | they have this idea that when I was asking a question about compiling my own kernel, that they had any business asking why |
| 23:33.11 | grendelson | I did some ln -fs as recommended in teh wiki.debian.org nvidia setup page. |
| 23:33.21 | grendelson | Now I can't remove nvidia-glx! |
| 23:33.30 | abrotman | ecdemo: oh i'm sorry i blew your cover |
| 23:33.41 | ecdemo | not a problem |
| 23:33.51 | abrotman | ecdemo: maybe they haven't noticed :) |
| 23:34.01 | ecdemo | I don't care that much |
| 23:34.07 | wols_ | evaded: so why do you compile custom kernels? |
| 23:34.25 | wols_ | duh, ecdemo; of course |
| 23:34.26 | grendelson | How can I force the remove of nvidia-glx? |
| 23:34.41 | wols_ | dpkg --force-help |
| 23:35.10 | evaded | wols_: To my ^^ ? |
| 23:35.14 | ecdemo | I was asking for a file that someone must have had and could have easily provided, without drama, without yelling, etc... they intervened, everyone got pissed off, I got +q or +b or something, I left |
| 23:35.23 | wols_ | Bone: All 1668 scanned ports on c-24-125-88-226.hsd1.va.comcast.net (24.125.88.226) are: filtered |
| 23:35.29 | lucifer | i can't use wireless on realtek8180 by ndiswapper,need i recompile kernel? |
| 23:35.30 | gnufan | abrotman: cover? he's * I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc * |
| 23:35.32 | wols_ | and now tell me you don't have a firewal... |
| 23:35.52 | abrotman | gnufan: i'm smarter than you! :) |
| 23:36.13 | evaded | wols_: Oh i see, i guess it was to ecdemo. |
| 23:36.20 | wols_ | abrotman: no, you're just older and have more guile :P |
| 23:36.26 | wols_ | evaded: yup |
| 23:36.29 | abrotman | older? |
| 23:36.46 | gnufan | wols_: older? I doubt it, I predate the moon landing -- just |
| 23:36.47 | lucifer | ..... |
| 23:37.00 | abrotman | haha |
| 23:37.18 | wols_ | gnufan: you don't know how long it took abrotman to memorize all the dpkg factoids alone. does the word "relativity" tell you something? |
| 23:37.28 | gnufan | wols_: I have the same guile installed I'm sure ;) |
| 23:37.30 | abrotman | wols_: i'm a few months younger than the bicentenial |
| 23:38.01 | ecdemo | it was fairly stupid, and these supposed unwritten rules that are used to try determining what os I'm running for the purpose of denying me service if it's not precisely the way they want is idiotic... they're trying to not support other oses, that's fine, but all I wanted was a file. not support, not a fight. |
| 23:38.41 | abrotman | ecdemo: are you still on about why you were gone ?> |
| 23:38.58 | ecdemo | since you were curious, yes |
| 23:39.14 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:39.23 | abrotman | i jsut thought you got busy .. like bob2 who has vanished |
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| 23:39.42 | gnufan | wols_: I'm good on relativity, well I was when I wrote a paper on the visual appearance of rapidly moving objects |
| 23:39.45 | ecdemo | that was one of the parties to the fight :P |
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| 23:39.50 | thingfish | bob2 is an ubuntu person now, I think. |
| 23:39.51 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:39.59 | abrotman | thingfish: no .. he's gone ... /msg nickserv info bob2 |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | or he's changed nicks |
| 23:40.14 | thingfish | I'd seen him a bunch in #ubuntu, a while back. |
| 23:40.15 | u4q6n4i3t | hey can someone tell me where i can place commands that debian will execute on boot |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | u4q6n4i3t: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:40.30 | ecdemo | if that's the case, maybe canonical is paying him |
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| 23:41.08 | gnufan | u4q6n4i3t: lots of places -- what are you trying to run, start? |
| 23:41.38 | u4q6n4i3t | gnufan: network options |
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| 23:42.05 | gnufan | u4q6n4i3t: which options, maybe read "man interfaces" as you can run commands when interfaces are started, stopped |
| 23:42.11 | u4q6n4i3t | gnufan: wlanconfig ath1 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode monitor |
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| 23:42.26 | wols_ | u4q6n4i3t: definitely man interfaces |
| 23:42.27 | Bone | ok |
| 23:42.28 | Bone | back |
| 23:42.33 | Bone | sorry about that, had to do something |
| 23:42.37 | ramiroec | wols_ : yes its was root while typing : chmod -R 777 / |
| 23:42.43 | Bone | ok, so i need to portforward port 80? |
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| 23:42.44 | starfishy | is it just me or is the 2.6.16.x kernel source missing the debian directory required to make-kpkg? |
| 23:42.54 | wols_ | ramiroec: your machine is fucked, sorry. hopefully you have backups |
| 23:43.02 | gnufan | Bone: yes port forward port 80 |
| 23:43.15 | wols_ | starfishy: it's you. read up on kernel-package |
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| 23:43.19 | gnufan | Bone: on the upside this is far less complicated than ftp ;) |
| 23:43.39 | wols_ | !tell starfishy about kernel-package |
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| 23:44.20 | Bone | gnufan: ok |
| 23:44.42 | ramiroec | wols_ : can i type : chmod -R 755 /etc ..chmod -R... and restore the system ? |
| 23:45.05 | gnufan | starfishy: then again maybe you are a kernel-package guru, and you know how to build debian kernel packages for debian kernel source, using the debian rules? wols_ may be underestimating your skillset... |
| 23:45.13 | wols_ | ramiroec: no. you'll never can set the proper perms on all 20000 files or so. what you will get is a mess |
| 23:45.24 | Bone | damn, how do i get into my router setup again? i entered 192.168.1.1 in the browse |
| 23:45.27 | Bone | r |
| 23:45.51 | ramiroec | wols_ : are you sure? its a clean install, only with the basic programs |
| 23:46.02 | wols_ | !reinstall |
| 23:46.02 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 23:46.24 | wols_ | but not even that will change config files perms. so yes I am sure |
| 23:46.28 | gnufan | Bone: sounds plausible, some need https://192.168.1.1/ but without knowing which router, and what default route you have... and it is probably technically "off topic". |
| 23:46.31 | ramiroec | to reinstall i need to travel 16 hours |
| 23:46.57 | starfishy | wols: i know how to build a kernel |
| 23:47.05 | gnufan | ramiroec: trust to dpkg -- he knows |
| 23:47.05 | starfishy | and i build countless debian kernels |
| 23:47.19 | wols_ | starfishy: so why do you need a debian/ ? |
| 23:47.34 | starfishy | because make-kpkg debian doesnt create it properly |
| 23:47.41 | starfishy | iow it hangs |
| 23:48.08 | ecdemo | you're trying to build an initrd-enabled kernel image? |
| 23:48.39 | Bone | omg, why isn't it working, NOTHING is working! |
| 23:48.39 | Bone | damn |
| 23:48.50 | gnufan | starfishy: make-kpkg should work with vanilla kernel tarballs. Although I never mastered the "debian rules" kernel builds, I understand why the kernel team use that approach. What kernel source are you building from? |
| 23:48.50 | Bone | can i port forward through a shell? |
| 23:49.08 | starfishy | gnufan: it doesnt, at least not in the case of 2.6.16.x |
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| 23:49.32 | ecdemo | yeah, but you have to understand your present situation in order to get a port forward working with it |
| 23:49.37 | wols_ | didn't someone report problems with 2.6.16 and kernel-apckage? |
| 23:49.39 | starfishy | i tried both 2.6.16 and 2.6.16.1 and in both cases make-kpkg debian hangs and make-kpkg buildpackage hangs too |
| 23:49.48 | starfishy | maybe they did, but not to me |
| 23:49.52 | gnufan | starfishy: suspect it may need fixing then --- any bug reports on make-kpkg? |
| 23:50.05 | ecdemo | howbout make-kpkg kernel_image? |
| 23:50.06 | wols_ | ecdemo: he has a router. dunno if that can be configed from the commandline. perhaps with links2 or so |
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| 23:50.24 | ecdemo | oh you mean one of those plastic boxes |
| 23:50.29 | wols_ | starfishy: what about simply making a kernel-iamge? hangs too? |
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| 23:50.37 | starfishy | doesnt work either because it needs the same debian directory it apparently cant create |
| 23:50.43 | starfishy | yes |
| 23:50.44 | starfishy | hangs too |
| 23:50.47 | starfishy | in the same place |
| 23:50.50 | ecdemo | in order to get those to respond to 192.168.1.1 again, he would have to do a full factory reset |
| 23:50.58 | wols_ | there goes my plan of a shiny new 2.6.16 |
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| 23:51.18 | ecdemo | define "hang" :) |
| 23:51.27 | Bone | can yo portforward through the terminal? |
| 23:51.27 | starfishy | i just wanted to see whether they fixed the marvell driver so my second gigabit interface would be recognized |
| 23:51.33 | starfishy | hang = ceases to operate |
| 23:51.40 | starfishy | without actually crashing |
| 23:51.43 | ecdemo | any message? |
| 23:51.54 | starfishy | No |
| 23:51.56 | wols_ | starfishy: and which program is hanging? |
| 23:52.02 | starfishy | (other than 'exec make -f ...' |
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| 23:52.59 | starfishy | make-kpkg |
| 23:53.04 | ecdemo | Bone: if you want to make your router go to the config page again, reset it as per the instructions |
| 23:53.24 | starfishy | if you quit it it complains about not finding a file (in the variable 'alt-cmd' |
| 23:53.26 | wols_ | you sure it's make-kpkg and not make, gcc, etc? |
| 23:53.30 | starfishy | yes |
| 23:53.30 | ecdemo | then you'll have to set the whole thing up again |
| 23:53.34 | Bone | i can't reset it, how do i get to the setup page, its supposed to be 192.168.1.1 inthe browser but it snot wokr |
| 23:53.59 | wols_ | Bone: we can't know. ask your router maker |
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| 23:54.46 | gnufan | starfishy: kernel-package bug num 359818 is the only one I found with 2.6.16 in the title |
| 23:54.49 | ecdemo | you have to factory-reset the router to get that to happen (after which you have to set it up again from scratch... which should take a few secs or mins) |
| 23:55.31 | Bone | wols_: is there a way i can portforward through temrinal? no, ok then |
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| 23:56.03 | ecdemo | why can't you reset it? |
| 23:56.09 | Bone | hold on a sec |
| 23:56.10 | ecdemo | people using it? |
| 23:56.11 | wols_ | only place you can do it is in your router |
| 23:56.14 | starfishy | gnufan: thats a different bug |
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| 23:56.59 | telecast | jesus |
| 23:57.06 | ecdemo | yes? |
| 23:57.09 | telecast | hi |
| 23:57.09 | telecast | :P |
| 23:57.21 | wols_ | ecdemo: you spanish? |
| 23:57.40 | ecdemo | nope :) |
| 23:57.51 | Bone | whats my static IP address? |
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| 23:58.17 | ecdemo | c-24-125-88-226.hsd1.va.comcast.net? |
| 23:58.19 | starfishy | even with a brand new .config the make for the directory fails |
| 23:58.34 | wols_ | starfishy: which dir? |
| 23:58.54 | starfishy | debian |
| 23:59.03 | starfishy | inside the top directory of the kernel tree |
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| 23:59.13 | starfishy | apparently /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk has a problem |
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| 23:59.46 | gnufan | starfishy: give us a chance -- still downloading the tarball ;) |
| 23:59.58 | starfishy | thanks |
