| 00:00.05 | ecdemo | starfishy: maybe manoj can help |
| 00:00.07 | Bone | no my static ip is 192 something |
| 00:00.10 | starfishy | so i'll see whether its my setup somehow or whether its a general problem |
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| 00:00.41 | ecdemo | oh, you mean the router's internal address? or the address of the machine? |
| 00:00.54 | starfishy | this is weird, it doesnt even get to the point where it technically should make the directory |
| 00:01.10 | starfishy | which is the third line inside the minimal_debian clause |
| 00:01.14 | gnufan | starfishy: you using sid/sarge? |
| 00:01.22 | starfishy | :q |
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| 00:01.26 | starfishy | sid |
| 00:02.03 | starfishy | i'll borrow the minimal.mk from etch and see whether there is a difference |
| 00:02.05 | ecdemo | hmm, still, the toolchaiu should be ok |
| 00:02.37 | ecdemo | but no gurarntee of that, in fact, it's just as likely the toolchain's issue |
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| 00:03.55 | hellangel`linux | hey guys |
| 00:03.56 | Bone | alright, im in router setup |
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| 00:04.25 | silber | i have first two debian cds |
| 00:04.26 | hellangel`linux | i have a little problem... i dont know why, but the screen resolution of the normal console is kind of bugged.. looks like zoomed to the left upper corner (about 640x480) |
| 00:04.30 | silber | but |
| 00:04.47 | hellangel`linux | how can i get my normal resolution back? :/ |
| 00:04.47 | silber | how many to download for kde |
| 00:04.48 | gnufan | starfishy: okay how far in is the hang? I'm in arch/i386/kernel currently.. but this box is quite fast ;) |
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| 00:05.50 | starfishy | you are way beyond it |
| 00:06.00 | starfishy | i suspect its kernel-package 10.040 |
| 00:06.12 | starfishy | whats the version of kernel-package on your system? |
| 00:06.16 | hellangel`linux | anyone has an idea how to fix this again? :/ |
| 00:06.33 | cievo | all...hello...in which .h librady do I find some function to find out how many packet or bytes went through interface??? |
| 00:06.47 | gnufan | starfishy: 10.040 :) |
| 00:07.23 | starfishy | weird |
| 00:07.42 | starfishy | on my machine make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk debian fails |
| 00:07.47 | starfishy | with package 10.040 |
| 00:07.53 | starfishy | well, it doesnt fail, it hangs |
| 00:07.55 | gnufan | starfishy: did vanilla build -- 2.6.16.1 tarball, make menuconfig (exit immediately), make-kpkg clean, and then fakeroot <cmd from /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz> |
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| 00:08.54 | gnufan | starfishy: damn already out of my scroll buffer -- I said it was fast |
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| 00:09.28 | starfishy | it used to just work with make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 00:09.35 | starfishy | lemme try the command from the readme |
| 00:10.00 | cievo | starfishy: I would say...RTFreadme :) |
| 00:10.03 | grendelson | Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.8178, but |
| 00:10.03 | grendelson | this library is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel |
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| 00:10.11 | grendelson | module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version. |
| 00:10.23 | Ugly | how do i make debian run in 24 hour time format? |
| 00:10.32 | grendelson | I keep gettign this error with 2.6.15-1-686 kernel |
| 00:10.34 | Bone | wols? gnufan? ok, im in my router settings now |
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| 00:10.37 | Bone | im about to portforward |
| 00:10.54 | hellangel`linux | Ugly, rightclick time - options - 24h |
| 00:10.55 | grendelson | I purged all nvidia files and started install from scratch and still get the driver adn module mismatch! |
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| 00:11.23 | Ugly | hellangel`linux: how is it done in console? |
| 00:11.31 | hellangel`linux | Ugly, shrug |
| 00:11.35 | gnufan | Bone: tell me when you've done the port forward ;) |
| 00:11.35 | Ugly | kk |
| 00:11.44 | ecdemo | Bone: did you have to reset the router? |
| 00:11.44 | starfishy | cievo: and which F*** Manual? |
| 00:11.52 | Bone | gnufan: o, try it now |
| 00:11.54 | starfishy | gnufan: it still hangs on the same command |
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| 00:12.04 | hellangel`linux | so can anyone tell me, why my console is strangly small? the commandline is out of the screen and i dont know why : |
| 00:12.05 | hellangel`linux | plz help |
| 00:12.08 | Bone | linuxfileserver.ftpaccess.cc |
| 00:12.29 | gnufan | Bone: no joy with telnet <servername> 80 |
| 00:12.36 | Bone | ok, hold on |
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| 00:12.58 | Bone | gnufan: try now |
| 00:13.06 | mhall | Does anybody have a suggestion about the best app for Gantt charts: opensched, paje.app, or planner ? |
| 00:13.15 | chealer | grendelson: did you check that symlinks in /usr/lib such as libGL.so.1 and libGLcore.so.1 point to the right version? |
| 00:13.44 | moshii | mhall: Last time I looked planner worked.. just enough to do the job |
| 00:13.47 | gnufan | bone no joy |
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| 00:14.26 | grendelson | chealer: glad you;re still here , I wiped out all the ln 's to get nvidia-glx to uninstall so I could reinstallit |
| 00:14.29 | mhall | moshii: yeah i just need something trivial to shut up my professor because he hates my application development team and all of its members for reasons which are unclear. |
| 00:14.34 | Bone | gnufan: damn |
| 00:14.54 | mhall | moshii: So since I'm the document monkey I flood him with huge quantities of documents just to shut him up. |
| 00:14.57 | ecdemo | what port did you try to redirect? |
| 00:15.02 | moshii | mhall: I used planner to do gnatt charts for my degree project, so they seem edu-safe |
| 00:15.02 | grendelson | chealer : where shoudl they point? I tried the create symlinks earlier from teh wiki and it didn't make any difference |
| 00:15.06 | Bone | ok, i think iknow what i did wrong |
| 00:15.10 | mhall | moshii: excellent! :-) |
| 00:15.10 | Bone | hld on a sec |
| 00:15.18 | gnufan | starfishy: make -v -- GNU Make 3.81rc2 can't see it uses much but "make" and "bash" in that make file |
| 00:15.22 | moshii | mhall: even won an award ;) |
| 00:15.35 | Ugly | does debian run 24 hour clock by default? |
| 00:15.35 | mhall | moshii: perfect |
| 00:15.43 | mhall | Ugly: clarify |
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| 00:15.49 | grendelson | I can see that the nvidia-glx is the right version |
| 00:15.52 | Ugly | mhall: militry time |
| 00:15.54 | grendelson | from dpkg |
| 00:15.59 | Bone | gnufan: try now, if it doesn't work this time then i definately know whats wrong |
| 00:16.08 | chealer | grendelson: they should point to libGL.so.1.0.8178 and libGLcore.so.1.0.8178, respectively |
| 00:16.15 | grendelson | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8178-2 NVIDIA bin |
| 00:16.19 | gnufan | Bone: no joy |
| 00:16.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:16.27 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:16.39 | hellangel`linux | doesnt anyone know, how to fix my problem? my console looks like 640x480, and the commandline (where i write) is out of screen.. |
| 00:16.44 | moshii | Ugly: would depend on how your clock hardware works |
| 00:16.59 | starfishy | gnufan: version is 3.81rc2 |
| 00:17.05 | Ugly | moshii: oh really, damm.. is there a way to do it from linux? |
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| 00:17.28 | moshii | Ugly: have 24 hour time? depends what you're using to get the time .. |
| 00:17.44 | Ugly | moshii: was trying to use ntpdate |
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| 00:17.58 | moshii | Ugly: that updates the time.. |
| 00:18.06 | Bone | gnufan: alright, one last time, try now |
| 00:18.21 | Ugly | moshii: my php script is getting the time, but reporting it as am as soon as it hits 12:00 when its pm not am |
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| 00:18.42 | moshii | Ugly: that's a problem with the php function then |
| 00:19.08 | moshii | Ugly: you probably aren't telling it how you want the time formatted |
| 00:19.24 | Ugly | date( "F j, Y, H:i a" ) |
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| 00:20.18 | moshii | Ugly: I don't do php, but maybe your clock is 12 hours out |
| 00:20.33 | moshii | Ugly: what do you get when you run date? |
| 00:20.37 | Ugly | ehehhehe... k |
| 00:20.45 | Ugly | Sat Apr 1 12:20:40 GMT+12 2006 |
| 00:20.47 | starfishy | apparently the make for whatever reason tries to read from stdin repeatedly and hangs until it gets its input |
| 00:20.55 | gnufan | Bone: nowt -- does your ISP allow you to run servers? Try redirecting port 8080 on the firewall to port 80 on your internal IP address |
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| 00:21.01 | starfishy | weird |
| 00:21.11 | Ugly | April 2, 2006, 12:09 am |
| 00:21.22 | starfishy | if i press enter several times when it hangs it finishes the reads and continues |
| 00:21.22 | Ugly | thats what gets put into the database when i use that date() format |
| 00:21.47 | starfishy | it doesnt prompt for the enters though |
| 00:22.38 | grendelson | chealer >: found what you meant - yes the libGL.so.1 and libGLcore.so.1 files both poitn to 1.0.8718 versions! |
| 00:22.46 | grendelson | In /usr/lib/ i mean |
| 00:23.36 | grendelson | chealer : there is NO libGLso. in /usr/X11/lib! |
| 00:23.41 | grendelson | shoudl there be? |
| 00:23.44 | gnufan | starfishy: lets compare the command executed as make-kpkg uses a lot of perl to construct alt_cmd |
| 00:24.13 | chealer | grendelson: I don't think so |
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| 00:24.56 | starfishy | mine is make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk debian |
| 00:25.02 | chealer | grendelson: is /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so also pointing to an existing file? |
| 00:25.11 | grendelson | chealer - the last thing I did after getting hangs was update kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.12 - I shoudl reboot back into 2.6.12 and retry. Also I added vga=normal to kernel line of 2.6.15 could that have any effect |
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| 00:25.22 | starfishy | thats what is in $alt_cmd immediately before the system() call |
| 00:25.41 | chealer | grendelson: no |
| 00:25.51 | chealer | grendelson: well, not *this* effect |
| 00:25.56 | starfishy | i wonder whether my make somehow got some debug option in its makefile |
| 00:26.01 | grendelson | chealer Yes that pointss to the correct file too . now I'm all messed up... |
| 00:26.05 | starfishy | but if it was for debugging, why no output? |
| 00:26.10 | gnufan | I type "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" |
| 00:26.39 | gnufan | I get "exec make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk debian DEBIAN_REVISION=custom.1.0" |
| 00:26.59 | grendelson | chealer : I really appreciate all this help... |
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| 00:27.26 | gnufan | starfishy: maybe environment variable, maybe version of a package - I have a pretty standard sid build, as such things go. |
| 00:27.30 | grendelson | chealer : I wish I knew what the last thing I did was... I had a working xcnfig and I just wanted to add the noapic and vga=normal to kernel lines :-) |
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| 00:28.03 | starfishy | my sid should be pretty much standard too |
| 00:28.07 | gnufan | starfishy: also I haven't installed any packages for about 2 days, the last nights updates caused / to hit 100% :( |
| 00:28.12 | starfishy | this install has lived for about a year |
| 00:28.18 | starfishy | ah |
| 00:28.22 | starfishy | i updated yesterday |
| 00:28.25 | chealer | grendelson: do you mean the NVIDIA drivers ever worked with the problematic kernel? |
| 00:28.43 | starfishy | i changed my mainboard yesterday |
| 00:28.45 | gnufan | starfishy: do you get the same command for minimal.mk as above? |
| 00:29.45 | starfishy | i get the one i listed |
| 00:29.47 | grendelson | chealer : N onow that i think about it - I installed the new kernel and Knew I was going to have to rerun module install |
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| 00:29.53 | grendelson | so no it never worked.... |
| 00:29.58 | starfishy | make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk debian |
| 00:30.07 | gnufan | bone you going to give 8080 a try, I think comcast may filter port 80 traffic |
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| 00:30.37 | starfishy | currently the make-kpkg buildpackage is running but it will stop at intervals and wait for an 'enter' keypress |
| 00:30.55 | chealer | grendelson: OK. sorry if you already mentioned that, but could you explain when it broke? |
| 00:30.57 | gnufan | starfishy: if you cut and paste from README.gz you should get the Debian revision bit |
| 00:31.13 | starfishy | yeah, i wanted to keep it simple though, so i omitted the version |
| 00:31.30 | starfishy | actually it seems to stop at every 'make' |
| 00:31.40 | starfishy | iow every time the make command is called |
| 00:32.15 | ecdemo | see if you can rule in or out make as the problem |
| 00:32.24 | grendelson | chealer: Few days ago I got first HARD system lock - Xorg froze cpu at 99%, I rebooted. I assuemd it was nvideia card going bad |
| 00:32.41 | mhall | What's wrong with using a command like this to convert underscores in a filename to spaces? for file in *; do mv $file "$(echo $file | sed 's,_, ,g')"; done; |
| 00:32.54 | grendelson | chealer : I put different card in still nvidia - worked fine up on reboot. Then I got another HARD sysmtem hang |
| 00:33.02 | mhall | grendelson: there is some bug in X 6.9 that causes this I think |
| 00:33.10 | mhall | grendelson: apparently it has something to do with XAA |
| 00:33.21 | ecdemo | mhall: s/do mv/do echo mv/ |
| 00:33.27 | mhall | ecdemo: ok thanks |
| 00:33.30 | grendelson | chealer : I could ssh into the system and kill the Xorg and try to get shell wokrign but had to reboot. |
| 00:33.35 | ecdemo | and see what it says |
| 00:33.40 | ecdemo | and if it's doing the right stuff |
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| 00:34.05 | grendelson | chealer: I wanted to fix it once I saw there might be a bug. I grabbed newest kernel and tried to reinstall nvidia from scratch... |
| 00:34.07 | ecdemo | plus you might write an arg printer |
| 00:34.17 | grendelson | chealer That is where I was this morning.... |
| 00:34.32 | grendelson | mhall : I'm running 2.6.12! |
| 00:34.41 | ecdemo | and use that instead of mv to see if your filename with spaces is coming in as a single arg |
| 00:34.47 | gnufan | starfishy: looking at what "apt-get update" wants to install - there is nothing compiler/make related. Do you always "dist-upgrade" in Sid, as there are a couple of GCC related packages libgcc1 and a gcj package, pending |
| 00:35.09 | grendelson | mhall : Sorry I was thinking kernel version ooops |
| 00:36.10 | chealer | grendelson: so you were still running 2.6.12 until a few days ago? |
| 00:36.18 | starfishy | bbiab, wife needs help |
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| 00:36.31 | grendelson | chealer : So no since upgrading kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.12 I have not had an x unless I use nv as driver (that works) |
| 00:36.40 | grendelson | chealer : Yes until this AM |
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| 00:36.57 | grendelson | I mean to say since upgrading from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15 |
| 00:37.10 | silber | i need help |
| 00:37.46 | chealer | grendelson: OK. so you were running 2.6.12 with drivers 7174 and suddenly trouble appeared a few days ago, without any reason you're aware of? |
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| 00:39.12 | grendelson | chealer : Yes the hardware locked up hard (Xorg was at 99 CPU ) and when I saw this before it was an overheated card.. |
| 00:39.29 | grendelson | So every day this week the screen froze up forcing reboots or ssh from remote machine... |
| 00:40.03 | grendelson | I swapped cards with another GeForce Nvidia and got same lock(after vacuuming all the fans and checking fans and air flow) |
| 00:40.17 | chealer | grendelson: and when was your nvidia-glx upgraded in all that? |
| 00:40.52 | grendelson | chealer : I don't know if it ever was after putting on 2.6.15 and running modules assistant... that was why I purged and reinstalled |
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| 00:41.27 | grendelson | chealer : So now all the software nvidai relatedhas the 1.0.8 version but I still get the version error |
| 00:41.39 | chealer | grendelson: FYI, when I had a fan stuck on an NVIDIA card and I played games for a long time, the machine eventually crashed completely. I don't think it would cause high CPU usage |
| 00:42.11 | chealer | grendelson: yeah. would running the legacy drivers be a problem for you? |
| 00:42.11 | grendelson | chealer : Oh 2 cards I had when they went "bad" the xorg server locked up cpu%! |
| 00:42.17 | chealer | grendelson: (as a workaround) |
| 00:42.35 | chealer | grendelson: ah |
| 00:43.08 | grendelson | chealer : legacy drivers - for a new card? |
| 00:43.41 | grendelson | Or to force the versions to match - I was thinking of putting the nvidia company drivers on... |
| 00:43.55 | chealer | grendelson: if you mean "new" as in not legacy, yeah |
| 00:44.21 | chealer | grendelson: you're already trying to use the nvidia company's drivers |
| 00:44.24 | grendelson | But rebooting in 2.6.12 shoudl be a step in here. I may just have hit a bump in 2.6.15 and nvidia drivers? |
| 00:44.47 | grendelson | chealer : Really? Oh just installing them with debian "packagin" right? |
| 00:44.55 | chealer | grendelson: yes |
| 00:45.16 | Kovecses | 2.6.15 kernel used to not play well with nvidia.... but i thought the issue was fixed maybe not |
| 00:45.45 | grendelson | Kovecses : gosh darn it :-) If someone had said that at 8AM EST today I could have saved 12 Hours! HHAHHA |
| 00:46.01 | chealer | grendelson: I'm not sure what you mean by hit a bump, but if you mean there would be an issue specific to kernel 2.6.15 causing that, I don't think so |
| 00:46.26 | grendelson | chealer: I have to go - thanks again - I'll reboot later into 2.6.12 and try setting up nvidia again - I think I jsut need to run module assistant right? |
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| 00:48.28 | chealer | grendelson: if you think it can work with drivers 8178, yes, you'd need to rebuild a kernel module for 2.6.12 and version 1.0.8178. but my impression is that something is screwed up and your system won't work with NVIDIA's non-free drivers other than 7174 until you find that (and I don't see what it would be) |
| 00:49.41 | grendelson_AFK | chealer : thanks _ I'll try again later tonight |
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| 00:53.09 | duanear | Know that profile question Debian asks on fresh install? mail server, desktop, etc.. Anyway to run that reconfiguration on running system? |
| 00:54.37 | dondelelcaro | duanear: some of it can be run using base-config; others by dpkg-reconfigure foopkg; |
| 00:54.53 | Coweater | duanear: tasksel if you mean what type of system to install |
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| 00:57.01 | duanear | I didn't select desktop and I have all this garbage X11 stuff installed. |
| 00:57.02 | duanear | :P |
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| 00:57.42 | ecdemo | remove what you don't want' |
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| 00:58.51 | duanear | How did this x11 stuff get installed? |
| 00:59.08 | dondelelcaro | duanear: what X11 stuff are you talking about? |
| 00:59.41 | gnufan | bone starfishy guys messages me direct if you need my attention |
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| 01:02.07 | Kovecses | X11 installs as a dependency if something you have installed needs it |
| 01:02.27 | maatttt | I can access my home folder via samba, but I can;t save files there, any advice ? |
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| 01:03.27 | dondelelcaro | Kovecses: (almost) nothing depends on the X11 server. |
| 01:03.55 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro: but a lot depends on the libs |
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| 01:04.33 | dondelelcaro | Kovecses: yes, and most likely, that's what duanear is mistakenly complaining about.. |
| 01:04.46 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro: maybe |
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| 01:05.35 | cast | i'm having a bit of trouble mounting /tmp on a tmpfs. i write the relevent fstab line, mount /tmp, but df shows nowing. then i umount /tmp, works..then i umount /tmp again and get a error saying it was not mounted. anyone wanna paste their fstab line? |
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| 01:06.59 | cast | ahh hold up. i've got it :). thought the size= was in megabytes |
| 01:08.06 | Kovecses | ok does it matter where i put snd_pcm |
| 01:08.10 | Kovecses | oops |
| 01:08.22 | Kovecses | snd_pcm_oss in /etc/modules? |
| 01:09.18 | Kovecses | can i just put it at the end? |
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| 01:10.46 | Money | what would i open a .chm file with since im on linux? |
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| 01:11.04 | Kovecses | whaTS a .chm |
| 01:11.17 | mbishop | a help file |
| 01:11.24 | mbishop | Money: xchm |
| 01:11.36 | Money | compiled html help format |
| 01:11.48 | Kovecses | ahh |
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| 01:13.07 | Money | mbishop: do i have to install it or is it allready on here, because i can't fin dit |
| 01:14.18 | mbishop | bebop:/home/martin# apt-cache search xchm |
| 01:14.19 | mbishop | xchm - Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file viewer for X |
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| 01:14.34 | mbishop | I'm using sid however, perhaps it's not in stable/etch |
| 01:14.39 | Aghaster | how do i install a ttf font? |
| 01:14.44 | Azar | yep : the Quality of Debian releases made Debian a choice for servers. " |
| 01:14.45 | duanear | Can I get apt to automatically create a new lilo.conf for me? |
| 01:14.49 | duanear | My old one is messy. |
| 01:14.56 | Aghaster | ? |
| 01:14.57 | dvs | Azar: That bad huh? ;-) |
| 01:15.10 | Aghaster | i found out fonts://, but i cant copy anything to it |
| 01:15.11 | duanear | I'm using apt to manage my kernel images. |
| 01:15.19 | Aghaster | how can i install new fonts to the system? |
| 01:15.27 | dvs | duanear: I'd try "dpkg-reconfigure lilo" but I'm not sure if that would work |
| 01:15.48 | Azar | dvs, nice writing, Debian is on the top: http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/overview_of_the_ten_major_linux_distributions.html |
| 01:15.51 | dvs | duanear: Make a backup of lilo.conf before you do it though |
| 01:17.17 | Money | alright |
| 01:17.22 | Money | i got it |
| 01:17.27 | Money | i had to install it via apt though |
| 01:18.05 | duanear | How do I replace lilo with grub? |
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| 01:18.20 | dvs | duanear: install grub |
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| 01:20.29 | daeos | im trying to setup sqwebmail and not sure where the site files are located or how to get to them, i've found a few places but anytime i setup symbolic links to those directories, the login page is not able to find any of the images or other pages... prehaps just setup links and change the paths to the files it needs? |
| 01:21.20 | jan_ | anyone successfully used Xgl under Debian ? |
| 01:21.47 | resiak | I added a line to /etc/udev/rules.d/libgphoto2.rules for my camera, matching its product ID and vendor ID, to chown :camera and chmod 0660 its device. This rule appears not to match; any ideas for debugging tactics? |
| 01:23.12 | dvs | resiak: I guess posting the output of udevinfo and your rule on pastebin.com would be the best start |
| 01:23.58 | Kovecses | jan_: i talked to a guy a little while ago that said he had it working..... but I havent trieed |
| 01:24.10 | resiak | dvs: Output from what invocation of udevinfo? |
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| 01:24.58 | dvs | resiak: udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda) |
| 01:25.11 | dvs | or whatever /dev/ your camera is hooked up to |
| 01:26.24 | resiak | cheers. |
| 01:26.35 | dvs | resiak: you found the problem? |
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| 01:26.59 | jan_ | Kovecses: it would be really nice to see it working under debian :-) |
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| 01:27.23 | jan_ | Kovecses: and i mean not trying to install ubuntu or rpm packages under debian :-) |
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| 01:28.04 | jayeola | dpkg: hostname |
| 01:28.04 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 01:28.05 | Aghaster | does anybody know how to install system fonts on debian? |
| 01:28.27 | Kovecses | jan_: well..... i believe he built from source |
| 01:29.46 | jan_ | respect, i think he had to build lots of packages :) |
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| 01:30.22 | SonnyBurnett | hi, why does anjuta doesnt work in etch? |
| 01:30.35 | Kovecses | jan_: yeah i bet |
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| 01:31.34 | Kovecses | SonnyBurnett: what is anjuta? |
| 01:31.49 | mbishop | Kovecses: IDE |
| 01:31.51 | dvs | !info anjuta sarge |
| 01:32.02 | thingfish | Aghaster: dropping them into ~/.fonts works for me. |
| 01:32.15 | Aghaster | ttf fonts? |
| 01:32.18 | thingfish | Aghaster: at least, tt fonts. |
| 01:32.19 | thingfish | yes |
| 01:32.26 | Aghaster | do i have to remove the .ttf extension? |
| 01:32.27 | jan_ | Kovecses: it would be usefull to share the packages with other users :-) |
| 01:32.33 | thingfish | Aghaster: no |
| 01:32.37 | Aghaster | ok, thanks |
| 01:33.09 | resiak | My udev rule that is not matching but apparently should be, along with the relevant udevinfo output, is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/2274 |
| 01:33.14 | SonnyBurnett | dvs, nothing |
| 01:33.36 | Aghaster | my ~/.fonts is empty |
| 01:33.39 | Aghaster | is it normal? |
| 01:33.45 | thingfish | Aghaster: yes. |
| 01:33.47 | dvs | resiak: You have no "BUS" argument |
| 01:33.48 | Aghaster | k |
| 01:34.02 | resiak | dvs: Not a single other entry in that file has a bus argument either :) |
| 01:34.08 | SonnyBurnett | hi, why does anjuta doesnt work in etch? |
| 01:34.13 | dvs | resiak: I'd put it in. |
| 01:34.15 | Kovecses | jan_: have you googled it? |
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| 01:34.33 | Azar | SonnyBurnett: pay attention: what is anjuta ? |
| 01:35.10 | bucky | SonnyBurnett: did you apt get anjuta? |
| 01:35.13 | SonnyBurnett | !anjuta |
| 01:35.13 | dpkg | i heard anjuta is a great IDE to GTK+/GNOME for C/C++, similar to KDevelop. It has auto-completion, class/function browser, etc..http://anjuta.sourceforge.net |
| 01:35.18 | SonnyBurnett | bucky, yep |
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| 01:35.32 | Azar | SonnyBurnett: thank you |
| 01:35.46 | SonnyBurnett | Azar, ;) |
| 01:35.55 | bloop | How do I get totem to play embedded videos in epiphany browser? Thanks. |
| 01:35.56 | resiak | dvs: I lie, actually. The file begins with « BUS!="usb", GOTO="libgphoto2_rules_end" » which suggests that BUS=="usb" should not be necessary, but I will try it. |
| 01:37.01 | jan_ | Kovecses: yes, but there's no "debian"-way, there are rpm's and the 'ubuntu'-way packages, but .. |
| 01:37.19 | resiak | dvs: Sure enough, no help. I'm not convinced that udev is actually reading those rules |
| 01:37.27 | dvs | hmmmmmmmm |
| 01:37.49 | dvs | resiak: Have you tried restarting udev? |
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| 01:37.57 | resiak | dvs: Yes, of course. :) |
| 01:38.00 | jayeola | when changing a box's hostname, shouldn't it be a simple case of s/localhost/foo in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname? |
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| 01:38.07 | dvs | resiak: just checkin' ;-) |
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| 01:38.49 | npx | Has anyone made a Samba configuration frontend for Linux that approaches OS X's? (not a troll, just curious) |
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| 01:39.13 | npx | OS X handles write masks and everything for home directories, and just generally kicks ass |
| 01:39.40 | Kovecses | jan_: what version of debian are you using? |
| 01:39.50 | dvs | resiak: What a minute! You don't have a NAME option. VERY important |
| 01:40.14 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:40.36 | resiak | dvs: Surely that is only for selecting the name of the device? |
| 01:40.58 | jan_ | Kovecses: netinstall Etch |
| 01:41.03 | dvs | resiak: You need something like "NAME=%k" for the default kernel name |
| 01:41.10 | Kovecses | jan_: http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 01:41.15 | resiak | dvs: This is really odd because the exact line I pasted worked a couple of days ago, and mysteriously vanished :) |
| 01:42.01 | jan_ | Kovecses: yes, rpm's ... |
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| 01:42.23 | ecdemo | what are some ways to take a dir full of .wavs and burn them as audio frames? |
| 01:42.30 | dvs | resiak: I usually put "NAME=%k, SYMLINK=myname" |
| 01:42.34 | Kovecses | jan_: but once you alien them you have debs |
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| 01:43.11 | jan_ | Kovecses: can't I better take the ubuntu packages then ? |
| 01:43.21 | jan_ | ofcourse there will be million conflicts |
| 01:43.47 | lunaphyte | how can i make a cdrom drive on a 3ware ide pci card show up? |
| 01:43.58 | Kovecses | jan_: i would follow that etch guide |
| 01:44.00 | Azar | jan_ did you tried at backports? |
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| 01:45.20 | resiak | dvs: Humm, actually *thinks* I have an idea! |
| 01:45.33 | dvs | resiak: Reinstall? ;-) |
| 01:45.51 | Azar | jan_ .. |
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| 01:46.23 | Azar | jan_: I found how to install Xgl on Etch |
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| 01:46.42 | Azar | bah you are not interested |
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| 01:48.21 | jan_ | Azar: yes I am :) |
| 01:48.29 | jan_ | hm, backports |
| 01:48.41 | Azar | :) ok I googled and in a fraction of a min I found out how |
| 01:48.51 | Azar | http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 01:48.57 | Kovecses | lol |
| 01:49.03 | Kovecses | i already gave that linkl |
| 01:49.13 | bloop | Is there a way to get totem to play embedded videos in the epiphany browser? |
| 01:49.16 | jan_ | indeed, hehehe |
| 01:49.22 | jan_ | anyway |
| 01:49.26 | jan_ | i'll try the rpm's |
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| 01:49.35 | resiak | dvs: So it turns out that the rule went away because I upgraded libgphoto2-2, after which all the rules changed from running a hotplug script to directly setting the mode like that. I suspect that if I were to pull in Sid's udev, I could use the new set of rules. Thanks for your time |
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| 01:49.38 | hja123 | i am using kernel-2.6.15 with hotplug. mouse cursor cannot be moved after boot. help. |
| 01:49.49 | RedChatero14123 | i need help how do i set static ip on debian |
| 01:50.00 | Kovecses | hja123: sounds like an xorg.conf issue |
| 01:50.03 | dvs | resiak: you're welcome?.... |
| 01:50.12 | resiak | dvs: Why the dots? |
| 01:50.21 | dvs | resiak: I didn't really help. |
| 01:50.31 | r3vld | i need help please |
| 01:50.39 | lunaphyte | why would my machine recognizes only ~1gb of ram? |
| 01:50.41 | dvs | r3vld: see a doctor |
| 01:50.53 | hja123 | Kovecses: i have checked thro' that file. what should i specifically look for? |
| 01:50.58 | Kovecses | lunaphyte: do you have the 686 kernel? |
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| 01:51.18 | Kovecses | hja123: the mouse section.... what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 01:51.22 | lunaphyte | Kovecses: 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 01:51.29 | r3vld | lol |
| 01:51.37 | r3vld | how do i set static ip on debian linux |
| 01:51.41 | resiak | dvs: You provided a person to bounce ideas off. :) |
| 01:51.47 | Azar | bah you guys, I am so happy with my Sarge... ya'll want more and more... |
| 01:51.50 | Kovecses | lunaphyte: get the 686 kernel.... those will recognize all of your ram |
| 01:51.55 | ecdemo | man 5 interfaces |
| 01:52.06 | Kovecses | Azar: sarge is nice |
| 01:52.09 | dvs | resiak: Oh. ok. I'm happy now. I feel like a boss: all talk and no action. ;-) |
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| 01:52.20 | hja123 | Kovecses: my is a usb mouse. in xorg.conf, device is /dev/input/mice, protocol is Explorer PS/2. |
| 01:52.36 | Azar | Kovecses: I get a lot of stuff done on my box, without having a fancier graphics application |
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| 01:52.44 | Kovecses | hja123: try changing the protocol to auto |
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| 01:53.16 | Azar | hja123: what about /dev/psaux? |
| 01:53.25 | lunaphyte | Kovecses: can that simply be done through apt-get? |
| 01:53.50 | Kovecses | lunaphyte: yes |
| 01:54.06 | roderyk | I'm using wpa_supplicant to automatically connect me to my router (WPA-AES) and then dhclient for an IP. The net works fine, for about one minute. Then, I lose all internet connectivity. (no dns, no pinging outside IPs) I then proceed to dhclient eth1 again, and it works... for one minute. Is this a router issue? (I'm also currently running ifplugd -> is that interfering with it?) |
| 01:54.22 | dvs | r3vld: Yeah, man 5 interfaces |
| 01:54.23 | hja123 | Azar have tried /dev/psaux. |
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| 01:54.32 | bloop | Is there a way to get totem to play embedded videos in the epiphany browser? |
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| 01:54.54 | Azar | hja123: if nothing will work, take 5 min and test another mouse |
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| 01:55.14 | Azar | bloop: that only totem would know: check their website |
| 01:55.46 | bloop | Where is mplayer? I don't see it in any of my repositories. |
| 01:55.47 | Kovecses | bloop: firefox can do it |
| 01:55.54 | Kovecses | !marillat |
| 01:55.54 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
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| 01:57.14 | Azar | mplayer is not part of debian project, you have to get it using marillat like Kovecses pointed |
| 01:57.18 | bloop | so I have to add some joe schmoe's repository just to get mplayer? |
| 01:57.25 | bloop | hm |
| 01:57.38 | bloop | how come they can't put mplayer into the non-free repository? |
| 01:57.44 | thingfish | who knows |
| 01:57.53 | Azar | is mplayer free? |
| 01:58.01 | malder | how do I get to my other hdd and partitions? |
| 01:58.13 | dvs | bloop: mplayer decodes DVDs and that's a no-no |
| 01:58.13 | malder | to play videos mp3's etc...? |
| 01:58.21 | dvs | bloop: for debian that is |
| 01:58.28 | thingfish | malder: what kind of partitions are they? |
| 01:58.33 | malder | ntfs |
| 01:58.43 | bloop | dvs; yea but how does that make it any different than other software in the non-free repository? |
| 01:58.52 | thingfish | malder: define the partitions in /etc/fstab, and mount them. pretty easy. |
| 01:59.13 | thingfish | malder: nothing to download. |
| 01:59.38 | dvs | bloop: Thank stupid laws like the DMCA. |
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| 02:00.55 | BlackJudas | where can i find the latest amd64 installer iso? |
| 02:01.05 | BlackJudas | sata sux :s |
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| 02:01.29 | flurdoing | hello all... can someone suggest some good tools to monitor iptables firewall? i'd like to watch logs in real time and get notifaction mail on security issues kinda like bsd sends out those insecurity reports... any suggestions? |
| 02:01.30 | thingfish | BlackJudas: maybe they'd know better in #debian-amd64 |
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| 02:01.46 | bucky | BlackJudas: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
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| 02:02.18 | bloop | okay fine, so how do I get videos to play embedded in my browser? |
| 02:02.51 | Kovecses | bloop: get firefox |
| 02:03.06 | bucky | bloop: /msg dpkg about marillat |
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| 02:03.18 | bucky | bloop: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:03.59 | Kovecses | bloop: then get mplayerplug-in or a firefox plugin |
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| 02:04.00 | bloop | I don't like firefox I just want to use the gnome browser |
| 02:04.03 | thingfish | I didn't think anyone actually used epiphany. |
| 02:04.12 | bloop | yes I like it better |
| 02:04.15 | Kovecses | bloop: well then have fun ..... isnt mozilla a part of gnome? |
| 02:04.21 | sehute | thingfish: me neither |
| 02:04.27 | thingfish | ;) |
| 02:04.36 | sehute | bloop: isn't galeon the ultimate gnome-browser? |
| 02:04.39 | bloop | why wouldn't anyone use epiphany? it's a very nice browser |
| 02:04.41 | malder | thingfish: I don't have fstab. Should I create it? How do I define the partitions? |
| 02:04.56 | thingfish | malder: you don't have /etc/fstab? |
| 02:05.15 | bucky | bloop: Epiphany sucks.. it's a bare bones gui browser that wasn't meant to have all those features |
| 02:05.20 | sehute | bloop: how about the fact that it has crashed within 10 minutes every time I've tried it, in a period of several years? |
| 02:05.22 | Kovecses | bloop: yeah its nice if you dont like your browser to have any features |
| 02:05.32 | bucky | no bloat |
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| 02:05.42 | dvs | bloop: Like watching videos inside the window. |
| 02:05.58 | thingfish | malder: you kinda pretty much have to have it. |
| 02:06.13 | bloop | watching videos inside epiphany works on ubuntu dapper |
| 02:06.20 | bloop | but I don't use ubuntu anymore |
| 02:06.25 | thingfish | oh, that wins you points. |
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| 02:06.50 | bloop | and I don't know about crashing within 10 minutes sehute. It's been very stable for me. |
| 02:06.52 | chris__ | ubuntu seems to do alot of things better ;) |
| 02:06.55 | Kovecses | bloop: well maybe it feeds off mozilla plugins |
| 02:06.59 | thingfish | there's an mplayer-mozilla (or mozilla-mplayer, I forget which) that might do something. but I don't know for sure. |
| 02:07.22 | bloop | yea the mplayer-mozilla plugin works....if you have mplayer...but that requires using random joe-schmoe repository. |
| 02:07.30 | sehute | bloop: I can show you the latest backtrace, from yesterday, if you're interested |
| 02:07.31 | bucky | bloop: then install mplayer for it and write your own mime type for the helper application |
| 02:07.32 | bloop | that's why I wanted to use a totem-mozilla plugin |
| 02:07.45 | sehute | bloop: but I've already filed a bugreport |
| 02:07.54 | Kovecses | bloop: so use it |
| 02:08.00 | bucky | bloop: debian is not going to do it for you because the code is not free |
| 02:08.09 | thingfish | bloop: believe me, the Debian community is quite conservative...if the general view is that marillat is safe, it's safe enough. |
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| 02:08.32 | bloop | totem is free and so is epiphany....so a totem-mozilla plugin could be made |
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| 02:08.39 | bucky | marillat is non free code and we don't distribute non free code like ubuntu does |
| 02:08.42 | thingfish | bloop: sometimes one must compromise. |
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| 02:09.06 | sehute | totem is also a program that's crashed a lot |
| 02:09.11 | chris__ | is ALSA free code, why does Debian still push OSS? |
| 02:09.18 | bloop | totem works for me |
| 02:09.23 | bloop | so does epiphany |
| 02:09.27 | Kovecses | debian push oss |
| 02:09.27 | sehute | chris__: think ALSA is a free as it can be |
| 02:09.28 | bloop | maybe sehute your system is different |
| 02:09.29 | dvs | chris__: must be. it is part of debian |
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| 02:09.32 | thingfish | you know, when I was younger, I wouldn't be caught dead sitting at home in front of my computer on a saturday night. |
| 02:09.34 | hja123 | Kovecses: have tried "auto", no good. btw, the driver is "mouse". is that right? |
| 02:09.45 | Kovecses | hja123: i think so |
| 02:09.47 | dvs | thingfish: so, you're a ghost? |
| 02:10.14 | thingfish | dvs: got a few years to go, yet, to get to that point. But heading there. |
| 02:10.16 | hja123 | Kovecses: is there no "usbmouse" driver? |
| 02:10.17 | sehute | bloop: yes, my many different distros, on different computers, are different, in a so special way that epiphany and totem crashes, but not similar programs with the same functionality |
| 02:10.17 | Kovecses | thingfish: i partied way to hard last night...want to relax tonight |
| 02:10.33 | bucky | bloop: Shuttleworth has millions of dollars to engage in a lawsuit over distributing code that it not his.. that is not a luxury we have nor want |
| 02:10.40 | thingfish | Kovecses: smart move. the brain cells need time to recoup. |
| 02:10.59 | bloop | bucky: is it against the law for me to use mplayer? |
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| 02:11.29 | thingfish | that, from someone who probably smokes pot like it's going out of style... |
| 02:11.44 | bucky | bloop: it's against the law for you to distribute the codecs for it.. and if you want to know more about it you should read |
| 02:12.20 | bloop | bucky: Is it against the law for me to install mplayer on to my computer? |
| 02:12.28 | bloop | or can anyone else answer that? |
| 02:12.40 | Kovecses | bloop: short answer .. no |
| 02:12.49 | jayeola | you may want to look at "non-free" |
| 02:12.56 | hja123 | i have been stuck with this problem for a while now. the mouse cursor is there but no movement. this happens after boot. |
| 02:13.07 | bloop | jayeola: mplayer isn't in non-free |
| 02:13.13 | bucky | bloob ive answered the question and we've spent that last two days discussing your Epiphany browser and I'm tired of hearing about it |
| 02:13.38 | bloop | bucky: I'm sorry you are upset. |
| 02:13.44 | Kovecses | epiphany is being excluded from gnome in the future anyway |
| 02:13.44 | chris__ | Mplayer is great, so is gxine, and vlc.... You can use the codecs legally if you have a windows install as well. They cannot force you to use any windows software in a windows enviroment (Otherwise Crossover Office would be illegal) |
| 02:13.58 | bucky | bloop: no you're not.. you want us to hold your hand some more |
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| 02:14.01 | sehute | come on, just add eachother to the ignore list if you're bothering each other :) |
| 02:14.28 | bloop | Kovecses: epiphany is being excluded from gnome in the future really? |
| 02:14.39 | bucky | god let's hope so |
| 02:14.46 | ecdemo | bloop: for legal stuff you might consider a lawyer who knows the relevent laws in your area |
| 02:14.54 | Kovecses | bloop: yeah cuz even they know it sucks |
| 02:14.54 | thingfish | sometimes I think testosterone is what is causing all of mankind's problems. |
| 02:15.06 | hja123 | on one can help fix my mouse problem? |
| 02:15.15 | bloop | I don't agree that it sucks |
| 02:15.17 | bucky | i think it's laziness and willful ignorance |
| 02:15.27 | sehute | thingfish: :) |
| 02:15.36 | Azar | hmm how come I got "flex" upgrade and I never got the 2.6.8 kernel packages fix ? |
| 02:15.38 | thingfish | bucky: laziness doesn't get people into wars. |
| 02:15.39 | ecdemo | maybe google can help |
| 02:15.49 | Kovecses | bloop: why dont you like firefox.... im not trying to argue . to each his own im just curious |
| 02:16.16 | simonrvn | testosterone-laden people who haven't yet grown up and figured out the obvious |
| 02:16.17 | bucky | thingfish: well Bush is just an untreated coke addict if that's what you're getting at |
| 02:16.31 | thingfish | hahahaha |
| 02:16.41 | simonrvn | haven't figured out* |
| 02:17.01 | bloop | Kovecses: I don't like how the tabs are setup in firefox. the "x" is all the way to the right, and you can't middle-click and re-order the tabs. Plus it just doesn't feel gnome-ish. The dialogues, HiG, etc. |
| 02:17.07 | Azar | life with debian has rules and if you don't like them you are not in for fun |
| 02:17.07 | simonrvn | there i go again leaving out whole words ... |
| 02:17.20 | thingfish | simonrvn: grown up mean in control of one's animal instincts, so yes. |
| 02:17.22 | bucky | i love firefox |
| 02:17.40 | Kovecses | bloop: all that can be changed in the settings.... also the regular mozilla browser is now part of gnome i think |
| 02:17.42 | Azar | my firefox is ok |
| 02:18.08 | simonrvn | no. not at all. in control of one's own actions. you instincts are reprssd as it is. properly channelled they can do a lot of good |
| 02:18.14 | Kovecses | bloop: does epiphany even have tabs? |
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| 02:18.34 | sehute | I think Firefox's great too. I used Konqueror a long time, but switched because of the extensions, themes and that it became more stable than Konqueror, which wasn't the case a couple of years ago with Phoenix. |
| 02:18.40 | bloop | Kovecses: yes of course. You might try giving epiphany a whirl for about a week. you might be surprised. |
| 02:18.47 | Azar | i am upset: why didn't I get my kernel security upgrades? |
| 02:19.20 | Azar | gah I am so dumb: is for kernel-source |
| 02:19.30 | bucky | because anything < 2.6.15.2 is insecure anyway? |
| 02:19.31 | dvs | !confuse Azar |
| 02:19.31 | dpkg | No, who is their gerbil tomorrow, Azar? breeches of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 02:19.34 | thingfish | simonrvn: I wonder, actually, if instincts can ever be repressed. |
| 02:19.42 | simonrvn | @tell thingfish about srs bin/view/Know/SevenTeachings |
| 02:19.44 | Kovecses | bloop: i have tried it in the past.... but i like the plugins that firefox has |
| 02:19.47 | chris__ | anybody try out flock, its based on mozilla and looks pretty interesting for being in devel |
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| 02:19.57 | ecdemo | an upset is a a=fall onto one's side, isn't it? |
| 02:20.09 | simonrvn | context? |
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| 02:20.11 | sehute | thingfish: if you can refrain from eating when you're hungry, then you've managed to repress an instinct :) |
| 02:20.13 | Azar | bucky really.... hmmm why then the stable Sarge would keep the 2.6.8 ? |
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| 02:20.36 | Fluten | i have a few friends who are semi-computer literate, but know nothing about linux. would debian be a good/bad distro for beginners? or would something like ubuntu be more suitable? |
| 02:20.50 | gnufan | does the php-gd in debian sarge support antialiasing of lines -- seems not to find the function despite being in since version 4.3.2 according to manual. I wonder if PHP has a libgd2 branch? |
| 02:20.55 | dvs | Azar: That's why debian has security updates |
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| 02:21.05 | simonrvn | gnufan: php-gd2 |
| 02:21.13 | sehute | Fluten: Depends on how you set it up for them. Ubuntu + EasyUbuntu or Kubuntu + EasyKubuntu might be a way to go. |
| 02:21.18 | ecdemo | Azar: because version NEVER changes for released |
| 02:21.27 | Azar | dvs yes, I am just checking my e-mail and I see on march 23 there was a security patch for kernel 2.6.8... I never got it |
| 02:21.31 | thingfish | hey simonrvn, that's pretty cool (the link). what language is that? |
| 02:21.32 | bloop | Kovecses: what plugins do you like? personally I think some people get too carried away with plugins. Just the basics for me is fine. |
| 02:21.37 | ecdemo | but you know that I think |
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| 02:21.57 | Xenguy | bloop: FSLT and Adblock are must have's |
| 02:22.13 | simonrvn | thingfish: that's anishnabe (aka objibwe). |
| 02:22.17 | Fluten | sehute, i'll try ubuntu, since they'll be installing it themselves. |
| 02:22.19 | Kovecses | bloop: i like the mediaplayer plugin ... which allows any video app to be used for embedded videos.. that one you might like |
| 02:22.45 | Juan | Hi guys, I did a stupid thing, I remove my /var/lib/dpkg/status now I can't even list my installs (of course). Someone knows how to revover it? |
| 02:23.02 | thingfish | simonrvn: very cool! I did a mere semester of native american indian studies at college. |
| 02:23.13 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 02:23.18 | bloop | Xenguy: Adblock? does it actually remove the ads from the page? what does it put in the space where the ad used to be? |
| 02:23.37 | Kovecses | lol |
| 02:23.38 | bloop | Kovecses: any video app? like totem? |
| 02:23.46 | Kovecses | bloop: any |
| 02:23.53 | gnufan | simonrvn: php-gd2 ?! |
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| 02:24.14 | Kovecses | bloop: totem xine vlc mplayer noatun kaboodle anything |
| 02:24.16 | bloop | Kovecses: but it's not a native gnome app, I don't like that. |
| 02:24.21 | simonrvn | that is what i said |
| 02:24.26 | Kovecses | bloop: firefox? |
| 02:24.37 | Kovecses | bloop: firefox is pretty gnomeish |
| 02:24.45 | tnks | hi. I have a makeshift daemon that uses named pipes for IPC. Where's the most appropriate place (by the FHS) for this pipe? The daemon filters /dev/input/mouse0 and outputs to the pipe. I'm not sure putting it in /dev is the best idea. I was thinking more about /var/run. Any pointers? |
| 02:24.49 | bloop | Kovecses: it's not a native gnome app though |
| 02:24.58 | Kovecses | bloop: who cares |
| 02:25.03 | bloop | i do |
| 02:25.10 | Kovecses | bloop: your not using all gnome apps anyway |
| 02:25.12 | gnufan | simonrvn: where do I find this mysterious package? |
| 02:25.19 | bloop | Kovecses: I'm not? |
| 02:25.21 | Kovecses | bloop: what irc client are you using |
| 02:25.33 | simonrvn | it's in sid and etch |
| 02:25.42 | ecdemo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:25.56 | bloop | Kovecses: xchat since there isn't a gnome native option |
| 02:26.03 | thingfish | simonrvn: we looked at the pawnee, blackfeet, and lakota peoples. |
| 02:26.04 | bucky | gnufan: apt-cache search php4-gd2 |
| 02:26.22 | ecdemo | read the FHS doc |
| 02:26.34 | thingfish | the pawnee people were cool. they practically had no government. |
| 02:26.50 | ecdemo | gnative! |
| 02:26.53 | tnks | ecdemo: yeah. I read it. Just not absolutely sure. |
| 02:26.54 | Xenguy | bloop: they just vanish; it is a must have |
| 02:27.06 | tnks | Thought someone here might have a firm opinion. |
| 02:27.09 | bucky | thingfish: and look what happened to them |
| 02:27.12 | bloop | Xenguy: what just vanishes? |
| 02:27.21 | ecdemo | you building a package? |
| 02:27.24 | Xenguy | bloop: you can also control flash ads with a different extension |
| 02:27.27 | Xenguy | bloop: ads |
| 02:27.40 | Xenguy | bloop: (sorry I was lagged for a bit there) |
| 02:27.50 | bucky | thingfish: http://www.northernsun.com/n/s/19773.html |
| 02:28.03 | thingfish | bucky: yeah. nasty white men came along and killed them all. if they'd been republicans, it would've not turned out so badly. |
| 02:28.13 | gnufan | simonrvn: I hate to be thick -- but apt-cache show php-gd2 give me "not found", and p.d.o says the same -- although things say they conflict with it? |
| 02:28.26 | bucky | thingfish: Lincoln? |
| 02:28.43 | ecdemo | what are some ways to take a dir full of .wavs and burn them as audio frames? |
| 02:28.46 | bucky | gnufan: apt-cache search php4-gd2 |
| 02:28.50 | bloop | Xenguy: sounds like a good thing. I wonder how it determines what is an ad and what is a legitimate part of the page? |
| 02:28.54 | thingfish | bucky: no, he was a good man. he had a wild side to him. |
| 02:28.57 | bucky | gnufan: he forgot the "4" |
| 02:28.57 | ecdemo | audio cd tracks |
| 02:29.01 | Kovecses | bloop: so what do you do with your computer .... it must be pretty boring refusing to use any app that isnt gnome native.... that is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard |
| 02:29.06 | Xenguy | bloop: it doesn't; you do |
| 02:29.15 | thingfish | hehe bucky that's great |
| 02:29.27 | simonrvn | !info php-gd2 |
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| 02:29.38 | bucky | thingfish: !info php4-gd2 |
| 02:29.47 | Xenguy | bloop: for example, you set up an adblock for anything from *.doubleclick.* |
| 02:29.53 | bucky | !test |
| 02:29.54 | bloop | Kovecses: hold on there buddy....we each have our preferences...I like to keep things simple and native, so what? Why is that ridiculous? |
| 02:30.05 | dpkg | Sorry, bucky, I didn't get your test. |
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| 02:30.18 | bloop | Xenguy: sounds complicated and tedious maybe? |
| 02:30.19 | Xenguy | bloop: whenever you see an ad, you right-click, set the block parameters, and bye-bye ad |
| 02:30.22 | simonrvn | case sensitive |
| 02:30.22 | bucky | !info php4-gd2 |
| 02:30.28 | Xenguy | bloop: easy as pie |
| 02:30.29 | gnufan | bucky: I think it got replaced by php4-gd |
| 02:30.36 | simonrvn | !info php4-gd |
| 02:30.38 | bucky | i got it in etch |
| 02:30.44 | Xenguy | bloop: pretty soon you are ad free - what a god-send |
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| 02:30.52 | simonrvn | must've been a name change ... |
| 02:30.54 | bucky | wait maybe unstable |
| 02:31.14 | bloop | Xenguy: I wonder if there is anything that technically prevents firefox extensions from being brought over to epiphany |
| 02:31.17 | _Atomo64_ | where can I get the splashutils debian package? the server that I found in a site seems like is not hosting it anymore |
| 02:31.22 | Kovecses | bloop: yes but ..... you dont play any games... or use java apps .. or limewire .. or dvdrip or .. tovid.. or any of the really cool linux apps? |
| 02:31.38 | Kovecses | bloop: or even gaim? |
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| 02:31.57 | gnufan | simonrvn: bucky all I wanted was to write a 10 line program to draw filled circles.... maybe I'll write it in a language that can generate svg instead |
| 02:32.00 | Xenguy | bloop: dunno, but I think Firefox has the best traction and is the most realistic alternative to the IExploder monopoly |
| 02:32.05 | thingfish | <gasp> Gaim's not FLOSS? |
| 02:32.21 | Xenguy | bloop: er, former monopoly ;-) |
| 02:32.21 | thingfish | or Gnome-friendly? |
| 02:32.29 | bloop | Kovecses: My wife uses gaim...I installed java and flash plugins...I don't use limewire or dvdrip or tovid (whatever those are). |
| 02:33.06 | bucky | php4-gd2 in oldstable |
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| 02:33.13 | _Atomo64_ | anyone? ... |
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| 02:33.23 | Kovecses | bloop: well those are examples.... there are very very cool applications out there I just think you are missing out |
| 02:33.27 | _Atomo64_ | bucky: in etch the pckg name is php4-gd |
| 02:34.01 | bloop | Xenguy: so if we all want to get rid of IE monopoly, why do so many people get on my back if I like to use epiphany.....like YOU MUST USE FIREFOX OR ELSE YOU ARE "RIDICULOUS", etc... |
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| 02:34.21 | bloop | cramming firefox down my throat or something |
| 02:34.23 | dvs | !start a browser war |
| 02:34.23 | dpkg | Netscape crashes less than emacs w3! |
| 02:34.46 | Xenguy | bloop: use what you want, I'm just explaining my preference <shrug> |
| 02:34.52 | bucky | bloop: that's not how free software works.. if it lacks a feature you write it |
| 02:34.58 | bucky | that's how it works |
| 02:35.35 | simonrvn | ImploderExploder |
| 02:35.41 | _Atomo64_ | btw... why there's no php4-gtk package? |
| 02:35.41 | bloop | yes but according to Kovecses I am boring and ridiculous because I use epiphany instead of firefox |
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| 02:35.52 | Kovecses | bloop: i wasnt saying you were ridiculous for using epiph ... |
| 02:35.56 | drbrown | I am trying my hand at some simple bash scripting, and was wondering how to pass a variable to another command from the script??? |
| 02:36.02 | Kovecses | bloop: read what i wrote |
| 02:36.11 | thingfish | bloop: I wouldn't say boring and ridiculous. I'd just say...odd. |
| 02:36.15 | bucky | bloop: actually you're just clogging up the channel |
| 02:36.18 | bbrazil | drbrown: export |
| 02:36.27 | thingfish | !beer bucky |
| 02:36.34 | bucky | danke |
| 02:36.39 | drbrown | bbrazil: can you show me an example????? |
| 02:36.39 | chris__ | export $variable |
| 02:36.47 | drbrown | thanks |
| 02:37.05 | bloop | thingfish: Why am I odd for using the default browser that is shipped with Debian Stable? Wouldn't that make people at Debian the odd ones? |
| 02:37.06 | bbrazil | chris__: I think you mean export variable |
| 02:37.27 | chris__ | yep. sorry.... |
| 02:37.43 | drbrown | export variable doesn't seem to work for me |
| 02:38.00 | simonrvn | um, what's it set to... |
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| 02:38.03 | Kovecses | bloop: mozilla is shipped with debian stable so is firefox |
| 02:38.03 | thingfish | bloop: no, it would make the gnome people the odd ones, since it's their decision (not Debian's) to include Epiphany in Gnome. |
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| 02:38.20 | Xenguy | bloop: don't worry about it, I know someone who like epiphany - FOSS is about choice anyway (or should be) |
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| 02:38.54 | Kovecses | bloop: why do you keep going on.... use epiphany... nobody else is even still talking about that |
| 02:39.13 | bloop | Kovecses: I have a brand-new fresh install of Debian Stable and there is no firefox on my system |
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| 02:39.29 | Kovecses | bloop: you said "Ships with it" |
| 02:39.45 | duanear | I love Debian. |
| 02:39.47 | thingfish | anyway, why are we even talking about such a non-topic? |
| 02:39.56 | thingfish | duanear: and it loves you. :) |
| 02:40.00 | simonrvn | non-topic on a non-subject |
| 02:40.06 | bucky | !love duanear |
| 02:40.07 | drbrown | It is a counter set to the number of lines in a text file, |
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| 02:40.21 | Xenguy | haha |
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| 02:40.40 | chance2105 | With Mozilla and Firefox, the UI fonts are smaller than everything else (they look horrible). Is there a fix? |
| 02:40.41 | jayeola | guys, dont laugh but what does one need in order to get a window manager going? X11, xfoo, xhelp! |
| 02:40.46 | D | hi people, what's up? |
| 02:40.53 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 02:41.12 | chance2105 | It's the number one reason I don't use either Firefox or Mozilla .. they look like #ss. |
| 02:41.18 | dvs | jayeola: apt-get install xserver-xfree |
| 02:41.23 | bloop | Kovecses: I guess I keep "going on about it" because you are using the words "boring" and "ridiculous" and "odd" in reference to the epiphany browser. You know, firefox is damn fine browser and all. But if it's so good, why the need to put down epiphany? |
| 02:41.23 | jayeola | ty |
| 02:41.30 | thingfish | jayeola: x-window-system, xserver-xfree86/xorg, gnome or kde or xfce4 or whatever... |
| 02:41.30 | simonrvn | er, that won't work |
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| 02:41.51 | drbrown | I pass the variable onto sed, but it isn't able to read the variable |
| 02:41.51 | Coweater | chance2105: make the fonts bigger, set a minimum font size if pages are making them too small, the config allows it all |
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| 02:41.56 | Kovecses | bloop: i never said that in reference to the epiph browser |
| 02:42.11 | drbrown | nothing is able to read my exported variables |
| 02:42.13 | Kovecses | bloop: now shut up |
| 02:42.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:42.28 | Coweater | chance2105: but yes they are broken afaik, even if i use the same dpi setting i still end up with something totally different |
| 02:42.39 | chance2105 | Coweater: It's no in the displayed pages .. it's the UI. The menus, menu items, etc. |
| 02:42.42 | Xenguy | bloop Kovecses : move along, nothing to see here =) |
| 02:42.47 | thingfish | some people need to think about medication for their OCD. |
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| 02:43.01 | ecdemo | Kovecses: he does have a good point... |
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| 02:43.18 | ecdemo | "now shut up" is not :P |
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| 02:43.31 | simonrvn | if you two need to settle something do it off-channel please |
| 02:43.34 | myren | just curious, but whats with the total lack of java packages? |
| 02:43.44 | myren | no spring, no geronimo, servicemix, activemq, nada |
| 02:43.47 | simonrvn | @kill sun microsystems |
| 02:43.51 | thingfish | ecdemo: come on, if someone keeps going on and on about a subject, and it's pretty much a dead end... |
| 02:43.52 | Kovecses | ecdemo: i get his point i never said he was being boring or anything for using a friggin browser |
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| 02:44.13 | Kovecses | ecdemo: i know his point was good .... but it doesnt even apply |
| 02:44.14 | ecdemo | myren: cannot legally distribute. but: there is a way you can build packages easily. |
| 02:44.21 | Kovecses | and im sick of this conversation |
| 02:44.46 | thingfish | boy really. let's all retire to our nearest pub and forget all this animosity, and put away a few! |
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| 02:44.51 | myren | ecdemo: i know about java-package, its pretty nice build system. is the java license really so bad as that you cant distribute the apps built off of java either? |
| 02:44.54 | thingfish | !beer everyone |
| 02:44.59 | Kovecses | thingfish: YES |
| 02:45.00 | itguy | what is environment variables...i keep reading and i can't seem to understand, can someone please explain it to me ..thank you :) |
| 02:45.01 | Xenguy | woohoo |
| 02:45.02 | myren | ddddddamammmn |
| 02:45.14 | Coweater | chance2105: ah that, i think i just restarted my wm and firefox, their handling there is pretty poor too though |
| 02:45.29 | Xenguy | myren: bogart? |
| 02:45.36 | ecdemo | myren: I dunno about the apps |
| 02:45.38 | thingfish | Xenguy: keep to ones self. |
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| 02:45.54 | Xenguy | thingfish: yeah, 't' not 'd' |
| 02:45.55 | jayeola | thanks chaps! "x-window-system" worked |
| 02:46.05 | thingfish | Xenguy: from a song, an old one, "Don't bogart that joint, my friend." |
| 02:46.18 | Xenguy | thingfish: aye 8-) |
| 02:46.24 | myren | was that really the origin? |
| 02:46.29 | thingfish | oh he did use a "d" didn't he |
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| 02:46.32 | Xenguy | myren: yep |
| 02:46.33 | thingfish | yep |
| 02:46.39 | myren | i cant imagine mr. bogart being a joint hog |
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| 02:46.51 | thingfish | hehe those old hollywood stars were major rascals. |
| 02:46.59 | ecdemo | specially since he's dead :P |
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| 02:47.10 | thingfish | boozing, drugging, sexing maniacs! |
| 02:47.12 | Xenguy | thingfish: o/~ ... pass it over to me ... o/~ |
| 02:47.16 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 02:47.25 | thingfish | let me roll one up |
| 02:47.44 | itguy | anyone help please:what is environment variables...i keep reading and i can't seem to understand, can someone please explain it to me ..thank you :) |
| 02:47.57 | jayeola | printenv ?? |
| 02:47.59 | ecdemo | itguy: what's a variable? |
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| 02:48.10 | myren | itguy: b='this is the b variable'; echo $b |
| 02:48.20 | bloop | btw there are epiphany extensions I just found out. they even have an adblock extension. |
| 02:48.21 | thingfish | itguy: environment variables refers to the various priveleges and PATHs you have available as a given user. |
| 02:48.22 | myren | its a variable, for your shell |
| 02:48.23 | Xenguy | itguy: wikipedia probably has an entry FWIW |
| 02:48.49 | myren | why must gnome insist on corrupting everything |
| 02:49.07 | itguy | ecdemo: myren thingfish Xenguy ; i'm just more confuse now |
| 02:49.09 | dvs | myren: Because they know what's best for everybody. |
| 02:49.24 | ecdemo | itguy: what does a variable do? |
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| 02:49.47 | ecdemo | (if you don't know... just say so) |
| 02:50.00 | itguy | i know a variable e.g b=7 , print b and it'll show 7! |
| 02:50.09 | ecdemo | ok, good |
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| 02:50.31 | myren | i just think its stupid to burn bridges with the people already using your crap in some lame attempt to get other people to use it |
| 02:50.33 | ecdemo | so we have a coupla parts of what a variable is, what are they? |
| 02:50.44 | itguy | ecdemo: i'm very n00be , i'm trying so hard to learn but i can't ...i need your help guys please |
| 02:50.52 | jayeola | i think that the environment variables that be could mean are those shown by printenv |
| 02:50.53 | Xenguy | itguy: if you know what a variable is, then here's an example: the environmental variable $HOME has a value of /home/youruserid |
| 02:51.09 | myren | itguy: well, your shell needs some way to delinate between the chracter b and the variable b; to access the b var normally you use $b |
| 02:51.23 | Xenguy | itguy: so an envvar is just a variable in your linux environment |
| 02:51.40 | ecdemo | b=7 <--- there are two pieces here, what would you call them? |
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| 02:52.23 | Xenguy | itguy: if you type 'echo $HOME', it will output the value of the envvar |
| 02:52.26 | itguy | myren: so $root has a variable of "/" |
| 02:52.49 | Xenguy | itguy: type echo $ROOT and see if that is true |
| 02:53.08 | ecdemo | b is the ____ of the variable... and right now, 7 is the _____ |
| 02:53.14 | Xenguy | itguy: note the CAPS |
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| 02:53.54 | Xenguy | itguy: if you type 'set', it will show all the current envvar's |
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| 02:54.24 | ecdemo | Xenguy: I'm getting to what is an environment... right now I don't think he knows yet |
| 02:54.36 | Xenguy | ecdemo: nod |
| 02:54.38 | towgunner | Hello everyone |
| 02:54.45 | itguy | Xenguy: when i echo $ROOT nothing happen just a blank line |
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| 02:55.05 | Xenguy | itguy: yes, so it is not an envvar |
| 02:55.15 | Xenguy | itguy: try echo $PATH instead |
| 02:55.22 | ecdemo | so the value is "" or there is no $ROOT |
| 02:55.49 | ecdemo | well I'm abandoning this, he's not listening to me |
| 02:55.52 | Gumby | can anyone remind me how to search in make menuconfig? |
| 02:55.59 | Gumby | (when compiling a kernel) |
| 02:56.07 | itguy | ecdemo: i am man , just be calm |
| 02:56.15 | Elly | Gumby: '/' I think |
| 02:56.24 | Gumby | Elly: ah yes, thx |
| 02:56.28 | bloop | should I install mplayer-386 or mplayer-586. I have a p4 |
| 02:56.31 | ecdemo | itguy: I'm asking you questions, you're not responding :) |
| 02:56.32 | Xenguy | ecdemo: apologies if I interupted BTW (I just jumped in there when I noticed the question) |
| 02:56.39 | ecdemo | not a problem |
| 02:56.44 | dvs | bloop: 586 |
| 02:57.13 | ecdemo | let me get him to understand the situation, then it's all you :) |
| 02:57.43 | jayeola | thingfish: respect for that x-window-system tip. fluxbox is rocking on deb :) |
| 02:57.53 | ecdemo | itguy: b=7 <--- there are two pieces here... what are they called? |
| 02:57.57 | itguy | ecdemo: i think i got it now , $HOME=/usr/home ...$HOME is the envar and the /usr/home is the var of $HOME ...right? |
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| 02:58.17 | itguy | ecdemo: b=7 is a variable ! |
| 02:58.27 | itguy | no no |
| 02:58.27 | ecdemo | b? 7? |
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| 02:58.58 | thingfish | jayeola: yay! |
| 02:59.12 | itguy | im lost again... b is the variable and 7 is the value...am i right? |
| 02:59.18 | ecdemo | urd |
| 02:59.20 | ecdemo | err |
| 02:59.21 | ecdemo | yes |
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| 02:59.39 | ecdemo | more to the point, b is the -name- of the variable |
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| 02:59.52 | itguy | ecdemo: ok |
| 02:59.54 | ecdemo | 7 is its value |
| 02:59.59 | Kovecses | ecdemo: your explaining this the hard way |
| 02:59.59 | itguy | ok |
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| 03:00.17 | ecdemo | (there's somethjing else going... there is also a place to put the value) |
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| 03:00.42 | itguy | ok |
| 03:01.05 | ecdemo | Kovecses: once he understands this part in this way, then he'll also understand anything you tell him |
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| 03:01.31 | ecdemo | itguy: what if you could have a list of pairs? each pair has a name and a value |
| 03:01.37 | d03boy | are you guys teaching C++ or something? :P |
| 03:01.43 | zinx | i hope not |
| 03:01.58 | ecdemo | could that be a way of having a collection of variables? |
| 03:02.05 | itguy | ecdemo: list of pairs...can u give me an e.g? |
| 03:02.08 | zinx | last time that was attempted, it involved system("PAUSE"); |
| 03:02.29 | kreg_work | what do they use as an adhesive when they glue heatsinks to cpus? sometimes you see a northbridge with a heatsink glued to it. |
| 03:02.45 | myren | there's thermal epoxy |
| 03:02.46 | zinx | kreg_work: thermal adhesive |
| 03:02.59 | zinx | kreg_work: there's lots of different compositions of it |
| 03:03.02 | ecdemo | like, ( (b, 7), (a, "this is what value of a is"), (HOME, "/home/itguy") ) |
| 03:03.04 | zinx | kreg_work: and everyone's is the best |
| 03:03.09 | kreg_work | heh heh |
| 03:03.12 | drbrown | I am attempting to write a script for asterisk, and can't figure out what's wrong with this line in my bash script siparray[${line_num}]=`sed -n "$counter p" /tmp/asterisk-array.txt` |
| 03:03.16 | kreg_work | was wondering if i could get away with superglue |
| 03:03.25 | ecdemo | itguy: a list of lists |
| 03:03.28 | zinx | kreg_work: i strongly recommend against that |
| 03:03.35 | kreg_work | i mean, superglue woudln't break down silicon *shrug* |
| 03:03.35 | zinx | kreg_work: get some real thermal adhesive of some sort |
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| 03:04.12 | itguy | ecdemo: okay |
| 03:04.13 | ecdemo | itguy: can you see how an arrangement like that could work? |
| 03:04.21 | myren | what are you trying to heatsink? |
| 03:04.27 | ecdemo | heat |
| 03:04.36 | zinx | kreg_work: heat may break down superglue, though :D |
| 03:04.36 | myren | oh gee frakking thanks ecdemo. ; -] |
| 03:04.45 | daeos | im trying to setup spamassassin, is it rather difficult and is it a security risk to run? |
| 03:04.47 | ecdemo | oops :) |
| 03:04.47 | myren | yeah, many many glues break down in heat |
| 03:04.52 | daeos | spamd either? |
| 03:04.56 | zinx | kreg_work: and i don't think superglue conducts heat very well either |
| 03:05.00 | kreg_work | zinx, ya your right. just trying to be quick and cheap |
| 03:05.12 | myren | kreg_work: what are you trying to put a heatsink on |
| 03:05.12 | zinx | kreg_work: get some real stuff, it shouldn't be that much |
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| 03:05.19 | itguy | ecdemo: hmmm i don't know . |
| 03:05.53 | kreg_work | myren, a northbridge |
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| 03:06.18 | ecdemo | itguy: maybe if there were a way to replace things in the list, and if there were a way to store the list, you could make a bunch of variables |
| 03:06.24 | spragga_benz | got a question about linux kernel modules... how do i tell linux to load a module during booting up? |
| 03:06.45 | Xenguy | itguy: anyway what are you trying to do, or do you just want to understand EV's for no particular reason? |
| 03:06.49 | kreg_work | the motherboard came stock with a cheesey nortbridge plasticy houing with a fan. no metal. and now that the fan has locked up from dust and cheapness, i was thinking about just glueing a heatsink only onto it. |
| 03:06.50 | drbrown | add it to /etc/modules |
| 03:06.55 | ecdemo | look at /etc/modules |
| 03:07.10 | myren | kreg: if its like a p2 northbridge, you can probably get away with superglue, but there's a decent chance eventually the heat will wear out the glue |
| 03:07.21 | spragga_benz | is there are script that handles that or do i just edit it directly? |
| 03:07.29 | leaveone | i need some help configuring my x-windows.. i installed my nvidia drivers so i get my 1600x1200 resolution but my fonts are still huge |
| 03:07.34 | zinx | if it has a fan, a sub-par thermal interface ain't going to cut it. |
| 03:07.50 | Xenguy | spragga_benz: see also 'man update-modules' |
| 03:07.55 | kreg_work | myren, it's this one. *shrug* http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/products.php?categories=1&model=158 |
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| 03:07.59 | itguy | Xenguy: i am just trying to understand it , i am reading on debian tutorial and i just want to make sure i understand and not just read like a parrot :) |
| 03:08.05 | ecdemo | ifguy: can you imagine a situation like that? |
| 03:08.09 | kreg_work | myren, i don't know. the fan obviously hasn't been working for over a year and the system is fine. |
| 03:08.43 | itguy | ecdemo: like what? |
| 03:08.46 | Docteh | is it possible to download older versions of packages from somewhere? like maybe the contents of older release CDs? |
| 03:08.52 | Xenguy | itguy: good for you; best to understand, yes :-) |
| 03:08.54 | ecdemo | like a collection of variables |
| 03:09.08 | daeos | as i was asking, it is a security risk to setup and run spamassassin? |
| 03:09.19 | leaveone | i need some help configuring my x-windows.. i installed my nvidia drivers so i get my 1600x1200 resolution but my fonts are still huge |
| 03:09.34 | myren | kreg_work: eh, it'll be fine. superglue it is. |
| 03:09.44 | itguy | ecdemo: i can think of a cellphone phone book ...every name has it's own number...will that work? |
| 03:09.50 | myren | check it every couple months to see if its fallen |
| 03:09.53 | kreg_work | myren, heh heh, i might |
| 03:09.53 | ecdemo | sure :) |
| 03:10.00 | ecdemo | the cell phone has a list |
| 03:10.01 | unstable_ | !tell leaveone about fonts |
| 03:10.15 | ecdemo | in the list are name, and some values |
| 03:10.22 | kreg_work | myren, fear not, i won't hunt you down if it fails |
| 03:10.32 | myren | yeah, good luck finding me |
| 03:10.45 | kreg_work | heh heh |
| 03:11.29 | ecdemo | in fact, on my phone, each name has some different attached things... like: for ecdemo's gf, there is a cell#, a home# and a voice command set for it |
| 03:11.44 | ecdemo | so I can say "dial gf" into the phone |
| 03:12.06 | itguy | ecdemo: can u give me those values ..lol |
| 03:12.12 | ecdemo | itguy: so, each name actually has a collection of values |
| 03:12.35 | ecdemo | well, I can give you the gf name.... |
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| 03:12.52 | itguy | ecdemo: gotch you...go on plz, you r a perfect teacher |
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| 03:13.18 | itguy | ecdemo: no i need the number...just jk ...continue |
| 03:13.22 | spragga_benz | hmm... update-modules(update-modules-modutils) is for updating modules.conf... i guess have to edit /etc/modules directly |
| 03:13.28 | ecdemo | do you kinow what a unix process is? |
| 03:13.33 | ecdemo | know |
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| 03:13.43 | itguy | ecdemo: no |
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| 03:13.51 | bloop | Kovecses: thingfish: Xenguy: ecdemo: check this out: http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/extensions-screenshot.png |
| 03:14.05 | Gumby | Ive been reading up on using make-kpkg to create kernel debs for install. The docs I am reading says that it does a make oldconfig. Does this mean that I can not make changes to .config in the kernel I am trying to build and then run make-kpkg and have those changes built with the new kernel? |
| 03:14.23 | Perdignus | Anyone here play tint often? |
| 03:14.40 | ecdemo | it's one single program, that's running. unix has it set up so that many processes run at once |
| 03:15.02 | itguy | ecdemo: okay |
| 03:15.33 | ecdemo | itguy: for example... a cd player program, a web browser, a shell |
| 03:15.37 | spragga_benz | gumby: the oldconfig is used a default... make menuconfig to make any changes |
| 03:15.47 | itguy | ecdemo: k |
| 03:16.03 | ecdemo | itguy: unix makes it look like each process has its own computer it runs in |
| 03:16.11 | Gumby | spragga_benz: so if there is already a .config then it is used instead of make oldconfig being run? |
| 03:16.32 | spragga_benz | awesome... got suspend2ram working on my laptop! |
| 03:16.35 | itguy | k |
| 03:16.44 | KLD | where would I find the openssl dir? |
| 03:16.52 | ecdemo | but it's really just one computer (and it does stuff you can't see to make that happen) |
| 03:17.15 | itguy | ecdemo: k i understand ... |
| 03:17.27 | ecdemo | every process has a collection of variables |
| 03:17.45 | KLD | I'm looking for ssl.h to be precise |
| 03:17.52 | Xenguy | bloop: miniT is awesome also (drag'n'drop tabs) |
| 03:18.05 | ecdemo | (jsut like every (most?) cell phones has a collection of names and phone numbers) |
| 03:18.13 | aredhel | Gumby, make oldconfig uses the .config file. Running make menuconfig edits the .config file. |
| 03:18.19 | Perdignus | KLD: try "locate ssl.h" |
| 03:18.20 | itguy | ecdemo: k |
| 03:18.36 | spragga_benz | make oldconfig uses config.old |
| 03:19.09 | ecdemo | so every process can know its PATH, and its HOME and its USER |
| 03:19.29 | Gumby | aredhel: yes, I know. But does make-kpkg make any changes to the current .config. The howto I am reading says that it runs make oldconfig. |
| 03:19.48 | myren | nay ideas how to track down what -dev's something needs? |
| 03:19.51 | itguy | ecdemo: by the var assigned to it |
| 03:19.56 | Gumby | its kinds pointless to edit a .config then run make-kpkg if this is the case. |
| 03:19.58 | ecdemo | (xenguy: just need a minute or two more) |
| 03:20.11 | myren | i'm trying to compile gpsd from source and it doesnt say what libraries it needs |
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| 03:20.27 | Perdignus | myren: a README with the app you are trying to install might tell you |
| 03:20.29 | Gumby | aredhel: yes, I know. But does make-kpkg make any changes to the current .config. The howto I am reading says that it runs make oldconfig. |
| 03:20.31 | Gumby | its kinds pointless to edit a .config then run make-kpkg if this is the case. |
| 03:20.32 | spragga_benz | if you need rebuild the kernel using any new options.. use the make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 03:20.35 | myren | i get a undefined references to simpleClassRec labelWidgetClass |
| 03:20.35 | ecdemo | itguy: yes. and different processes can have different HOMEs |
| 03:20.55 | Xenguy | ecdemo: no worries, I'm not really paying attention, more in 'bop around' mode tonight :-) |
| 03:20.56 | Gumby | spragga_benz: and this is ok if I want to edit the .config also? |
| 03:20.57 | KLD | Perdignus: it found a bunch of docs but not that file |
| 03:20.59 | itguy | k |
| 03:21.04 | myren | Perdignus: it proudly states that documentation was added by Eric S. Raymond, but omits mentioning aynthing other than Motif. |
| 03:21.14 | KLD | I was hoping someone would lead me to that dir .. openssl |
| 03:21.32 | ecdemo | itguy: this collection of variables that is attached to each process has a name... |
| 03:21.45 | aredhel | gumby from the linux README file: "make oldconfig" Default all questions based on the contents of your existing ./.config file. |
| 03:22.03 | itguy | ecdemo: envionment variable!! :) |
| 03:22.08 | daeos | KLD: just follow what you've been told |
| 03:22.14 | ecdemo | itguy: no, but you are close! |
| 03:22.35 | itguy | ? |
| 03:22.36 | ecdemo | itguy: the collection of variables is called an "environment" |
| 03:22.40 | Perdignus | KLD: ssl.h is part of libssl-dev |
| 03:22.48 | itguy | k |
| 03:22.51 | ecdemo | so each variable in the collection is an environment variable |
| 03:23.22 | Perdignus | myren: you could start with libmotif-dev |
| 03:23.37 | bloop | Xenguy: what's miniT? you can drag and drop tabs in epiphany (using middle-click) |
| 03:23.37 | myren | yeah, done |
| 03:23.49 | itguy | ecdemo: got it |
| 03:23.54 | itguy | ecdemo: thank you |
| 03:24.01 | myren | it requires some form of Xaw, but I cant figure out what version is needed |
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| 03:24.13 | Xenguy | bloop: drag'n'drop tabs to re-order their sequence -- very handy |
| 03:24.18 | Gumby | aredhel: cool, thx |
| 03:24.19 | myren | i've tried all of them, and it seems to require something else too |
| 03:24.29 | Xenguy | bloop: miniT is a FF extension |
| 03:24.31 | Perdignus | myren: is there any part of the error that might tell you which file you need? |
| 03:24.40 | bloop | Xenguy: yea epiphany has that by default |
| 03:24.47 | ecdemo | itguy: your shell is no exception... in fact when you set variables in the environment of your shell, other things use the values |
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| 03:24.55 | KLD | Perdignus: your a life saver .. thats exactly what was needed :DD |
| 03:25.02 | KLD | thnx |
| 03:25.06 | prem | hi all, |
| 03:25.09 | Perdignus | KLD np |
| 03:25.11 | thingfish | !maint epiphany |
| 03:25.12 | myren | there's not much to go on |
| 03:25.18 | Xenguy | bloop: it should be default behaviour, as should FSLT (returns focus to second-last tab) |
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| 03:25.19 | itguy | ecdemo: k |
| 03:25.26 | Perdignus | myren: can you post it to pastebin? |
| 03:25.42 | bloop | Xenguy: what does return focus to second-last tab mean? |
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| 03:25.59 | ecdemo | itguy: try this: echo $CWD |
| 03:26.30 | ecdemo | you will see the value of the shell's CWD variable |
| 03:26.32 | Xenguy | bloop: with this FSLT extension, when you close a tab, FF jumps to the second-last tab you were looking at |
| 03:26.47 | bloop | Xenguy: as opposed to the next tab to the left? |
| 03:26.54 | ecdemo | what value do you get |
| 03:26.54 | Xenguy | bloop: exactly |
| 03:27.06 | itguy | ecdemo: i got a blank line |
| 03:27.20 | ecdemo | oops, try $PWD |
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| 03:29.01 | itguy | ecdemo: i got /home/itguy...PWD stand for print working dir is that right |
| 03:29.08 | ecdemo | yes. |
| 03:29.13 | itguy | k |
| 03:29.24 | ecdemo | so it stores the working directory in that variable... |
| 03:29.32 | ecdemo | try this: cd .. |
| 03:29.40 | ecdemo | then echo $PWD |
| 03:30.18 | itguy | ecdemo: i got only /home |
| 03:30.25 | ecdemo | why? |
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| 03:30.53 | itguy | ecdemo: b/c we changed the wd to home |
| 03:30.54 | prem | Trying to generate Seamonkey packages "dh_movefiles: debian/tmp/usr/include/seamonkey/nss not found (supposed to put it in libnss-dev )" |
| 03:30.59 | ecdemo | yes! |
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| 03:31.16 | ecdemo | ok, done. |
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| 03:31.45 | ecdemo | you should now be able to understand anything they're telling you about these environment variables. one more thing tho... |
| 03:31.52 | Kovecses | bloop: are you still around? |
| 03:31.58 | infinity_ | i have a problem with my intel pro 100 interface not coming up properly all the time. what utils can i use to debug it? |
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| 03:32.05 | bloop | Kovecses: yes |
| 03:32.06 | itguy | ecdemo: at one shell i did $PS1= hello ...how can i change it back |
| 03:32.16 | Kovecses | bloop: what version of gnome are you using? |
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| 03:32.34 | Perdignus | infinity_ mii-tool |
| 03:32.34 | Xenguy | itguy: see 'set' and 'unset' |
| 03:32.40 | bloop | Kovecses: not sure...using debian stable so isn't that gnome 2.8? |
| 03:32.45 | drbrown | is there a special syntax used to call an environment variable |
| 03:32.46 | ecdemo | the names of variables can be uppercase LIKE_THIS or lowercase like_this |
| 03:32.47 | infinity_ | Perdignus: thanks. |
| 03:32.56 | prudhvi | How can Debian Supply gstreamer-ugly package while other distros cant ? |
| 03:33.07 | ecdemo | itguy: get the PS1 value from another shell |
| 03:33.11 | itguy | Xenguy: what do u mean see |
| 03:33.17 | bloop | I just installed mplayer and mozilla-mplayer plugin, but videos don't work in epiphany or mozilla |
| 03:33.25 | Kovecses | bloop: yup/..... i hear that the new epiphany browser that is in gnome 2.14 is pretty sweet |
| 03:33.30 | Xenguy | itguy: do 'man unset' (no quotes) |
| 03:33.31 | itguy | ecdemo: by typing echo $PS1 |
| 03:33.36 | ecdemo | yes |
| 03:33.46 | ecdemo | so find a PS1 value you like |
| 03:33.48 | itguy | wow am good and thank to you ecdemo |
| 03:33.49 | Xenguy | itguy: nm |
| 03:33.50 | bloop | Kovecses: yea I can hardly wait for the next debian stable |
| 03:34.05 | bucky | a year from now |
| 03:34.05 | Kovecses | bloop: gonna have to wait a while |
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| 03:34.17 | thingfish | boy is that ever the truth. |
| 03:34.31 | Kovecses | bloop: for a desktop system etch is very useable |
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| 03:34.54 | bloop | Xenguy: I just checked and FSLT is default behavior in epiphany |
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| 03:35.03 | Xenguy | itguy: you can do 'unset PS1' I think (something like that) |
| 03:35.05 | thingfish | Kovecses: last week I looked at getting gnome from etch, it was incomplete. |
| 03:35.12 | bloop | Kovecses: yea you're right. I heard not until December of 2006. |
| 03:35.15 | Xenguy | bloop: shows good judgement |
| 03:35.52 | Kovecses | thingfish: in etch? .... maybe there in the middle of porting a new version.... |
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| 03:35.53 | Xenguy | itguy: (unset must be a bash built-in then) |
| 03:36.10 | Kovecses | thingfish: im on etch with kde 3.5 and it is pretty sweet |
| 03:36.21 | thingfish | Kovecses: I think that's what's happening. |
| 03:36.46 | Kovecses | thingfish: but it cant be 2.14 yet can it? |
| 03:37.03 | thingfish | Kovecses: I can't recall right now. |
| 03:37.18 | itguy | itguy@silverfox:/$ what is that ? and sometime it's itguy@silverfox:~$ what is the diffrent? |
| 03:37.33 | thingfish | I think I went in expecting 2.12, but found 2.14, at least most of it. |
| 03:37.47 | ecdemo | itguy: the PS1 value is what the shell prints every time it waits for you |
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| 03:37.55 | Kovecses | thingfish: yeah cuz i know 2.12 was in testing a while ago |
| 03:38.11 | thingfish | ok then, see I do have one or two brain cells left! |
| 03:38.11 | ecdemo | it's called a "prompt" |
| 03:38.12 | followmearound | does anyone know how to prevent usb-storage from claiming a device when usb-storage is linked directly into the kernel? |
| 03:38.30 | itguy | k |
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| 03:38.59 | Xenguy | itguy: / means root directory; ~ means home dir |
| 03:38.59 | ecdemo | so that's why the shell looks all funny when you change PS1 |
| 03:39.00 | bloop | I have mplayer and mozilla-mplayer plugin, but videos don't play in epiphany or mozilla. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 03:39.22 | Kovecses | bloop: did you restart mozilla and epip |
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| 03:39.28 | Gumby | bloop: install mplayerplug-in |
| 03:39.30 | ecdemo | ok, must find ice cream or major babe... |
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| 03:39.36 | Xenguy | bloop: maybe you need codecs? |
| 03:39.45 | Kovecses | w32codecs |
| 03:39.49 | bloop | Kovecses: yes I restarted the browsers. |
| 03:39.57 | bloop | Xenguy: how do I install codecs? |
| 03:39.59 | Gumby | bloop: and of course make sure that you have made the appropriate symlinks |
| 03:40.20 | Xenguy | !win32codecs |
| 03:40.22 | Kovecses | bloop: yeah you may have to symlink to epip |
| 03:40.26 | thingfish | ecdemo: may your ice cream be cold, and your babes be hot. |
| 03:40.28 | Kovecses | !w32codecs |
| 03:40.29 | dpkg | [w32codecs] a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 03:40.31 | bloop | Gumby: I have the mozilla-mplayer installed already. |
| 03:40.50 | Kovecses | i think its mplayerplug-in |
| 03:40.55 | Xenguy | Kovecses: tx |
| 03:41.02 | ecdemo | I'll have to get a heatsink from myren :) |
| 03:41.13 | Kovecses | Xenguy: former gentoo user are we? |
| 03:41.16 | grendelson | I am having an issue running nvidia - I reconfigured after installing 2.6.15 kernel and so I rebooted into 2.6.12 and ran m-a auto-install nvidia and I am still getting error that module is 1.0.8 but driver is 1.0.7 - nvidia-glx is 1.0.8 package version! |
| 03:41.23 | Gumby | bloop: http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:41.26 | bloop | Gumby: Kovecses: apt-cache search mplayerplug-in |
| 03:41.26 | bloop | mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org |
| 03:41.32 | Xenguy | Kovecses: nope, just RH, debian and ubu :-) |
| 03:41.35 | infinity_ | on a system with 3 NICs, how can i force eth0,1,2 etc, to be assigned to a certain nic? sometimes i bootup and the order changes |
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| 03:42.24 | Perdignus | grendelson : forget the Debian packages, install it from the nVidia website |
| 03:42.37 | Xenguy | Kovecses: I'm mostly allergic to compiling these days actually |
| 03:42.41 | thingfish | Perdignus: don't tell him to do that. |
| 03:42.59 | grendelson | infinity_ I am sorry I don;t recall exact URL - but I was setting up wireless NICs on debian and had a great resource about doing just that! |
| 03:43.04 | Perdignus | thingfish : oops, crap, too late |
| 03:43.22 | Kovecses | thingfish: gnome 2.14 is fully installable for me in testing |
| 03:43.27 | thingfish | grendelson: you booted to 2.6.12, and there tried to build the module for 2.6.15? |
| 03:43.31 | Gumby | infinity_: I'm no expert but possibly setting up an alias in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ? |
| 03:43.34 | infinity_ | grendelson: any ideas where to look in debian? what config files or options? |
| 03:43.48 | grendelson | google for wireless PCMCIA debian laptop |
| 03:43.56 | thingfish | Kovecses: ok then it must be done transitioning in. I haven't checked since monday or tuesday. |
| 03:44.03 | itguy | ecdemo: i remember nameing silverfox while i was installing Debian , i wanted to have |
| 03:44.16 | Gumby | infinity_: are you using cards that use the same driver or different ones? |
| 03:44.22 | Kovecses | thingfish: you must have caught it at the perfectly wrong time lol |
| 03:44.29 | grendelson | thingfish: I rebooted to 2.6.12 and reran step 1. of the wiki.debian.org Nvidia setup guide (rebuild kertnel module) |
| 03:44.31 | infinity_ | grendelson: hmmm... something more specific i think would be necessary |
| 03:44.37 | infinity_ | Gumby: intel and broadcom |
| 03:44.48 | infinity_ | Gumby: sometimes the intel is eth0 sometimes it eth2. annoying. |
| 03:44.51 | Gumby | infernix: what I suggested might work then |
| 03:44.51 | thingfish | grendelson: you need to do that, afaik, booted to the target kernel. |
| 03:44.54 | malder | how do I exit X (kde?) to run a command? Then how do I get back? |
| 03:44.59 | bloop | Gumby: well I installed the w32codecs but it's still not working. In place of where the video is supposed to be, it flashes a bunch of text like "Playing http://bogusmcache.bcst.yahoo.com...." |
| 03:45.04 | itguy | ecdemo: sorry i had a phone call |
| 03:45.13 | Kovecses | malder: ctrl alt f1 |
| 03:45.18 | Gumby | bloop: that sounds like a codec issue |
| 03:45.21 | Kovecses | malder: or just open konsole |
| 03:45.33 | Gumby | bloop: apt-cache search codec and see what you might be missins |
| 03:45.34 | Gumby | missing |
| 03:45.43 | itguy | malder: use c-a- F1 |
| 03:45.48 | grendelson | thingfish: right I did, nvidia-glx is 1.0.8 version and nvidia-kernel is 1.0.8 - I reran mod assist after rebooting into 2.6.12 (im in that now - but still I got same mismatch driver error when I startx! |
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| 03:46.06 | ecdemo | itguy: np... but in any case I'm out :) |
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| 03:46.18 | malder | kovevses: it says that I connot be running X at all... c-a-F1 will do it? THen how do I get back? c-a-F1 again? |
| 03:46.38 | itguy | malder: virtual consle |
| 03:46.44 | bloop | Gumby: how do I tell what packages I need? the apt-cache search brought up a lot of files |
| 03:46.48 | Kovecses | malder: well i think even with a ctrl alt f1 ... x is still running |
| 03:47.07 | Kovecses | bloop: what kind of video file is it? |
| 03:47.23 | malder | itguy: what is virtual console? |
| 03:47.25 | itguy | malder: read and then do more reading ...and u can go back by c-a-f7 |
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| 03:48.01 | Xenguy | malder: C-A-F6 for example |
| 03:48.09 | bloop | Kovecses: I don't know but here is the URL http://www.videocodezone.com/videos/b/black_eyed_peas/my_humps.html |
| 03:48.22 | Xenguy | malder: C-A-F7 to return |
| 03:48.33 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 03:49.14 | bloop | I don't see a package called mplayerplug-in....only mozilla-mplayer |
| 03:49.37 | ecdemo | malder: there are many "consoles" that you can get to by c-a-F1 thru F7 |
| 03:49.46 | Kovecses | bloop: yeah its the same thing.. i see |
| 03:49.52 | itguy | malder: think of it like two computer running next to each other , with everyone have it's own monitor,keyboard and mouse |
| 03:50.06 | ecdemo | usually c-a-F7 is where xwindows goes |
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| 03:50.36 | bloop | oh wait it's working now |
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| 03:51.41 | itguy | ecdemo: is it possiable to setup my own email ...for e.g myfirstname@mydadname.com |
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| 03:52.13 | Kovecses | bloop: yeah it works for me... but i have always disliked mplayerplug-in |
| 03:52.15 | malder | itguy: so c-a-f1 makes a virtual console right? |
| 03:52.23 | Kovecses | bloop: try the vlc plugin |
| 03:52.25 | bloop | Kovecses: it's working except for no sound |
| 03:52.51 | itguy | malder: yes, so do c-a-f2 |
| 03:52.52 | Xenguy | malder: f1 to f6 |
| 03:52.54 | Kovecses | how do I purge a package again? |
| 03:53.02 | malder | ok |
| 03:53.12 | Perdignus | Kovecses "dpkg -P packagename" |
| 03:53.27 | Xenguy | Kovecses: or apt-get --purge remove packagename |
| 03:53.30 | malder | that still doesn't work. It says that I am running an x-server. I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers |
| 03:53.35 | thingfish | Kovecses: apt-get remove --purge foo |
| 03:54.06 | itguy | malder: need my advice..check http://www.debian.com and read the manual it'll really help u |
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| 03:54.34 | thingfish | malder: you're using nvidia's installer? |
| 03:54.35 | Kovecses | malder: killall X |
| 03:54.56 | thingfish | malder: if you are, don't. |
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| 03:55.01 | itguy | brb |
| 03:55.09 | thingfish | !tell malder about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:55.09 | Perdignus | thingfish: If I've only ever used "dpkg -P foo" is my apt database possibly not up to date with purged packages using "dpkg -P" ? |
| 03:55.35 | thingfish | Perdignus: to tell you the truth, I don't know. |
| 03:56.20 | Kovecses | Perdignus: no it will still be up to date |
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| 03:57.45 | bloop | mozilla-mplayer works except there is no sound... |
| 03:57.51 | Kovecses | !tell Kovecses about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:57.55 | bloop | what's the vlc plugin? |
| 03:58.04 | malder | thingfish: that will update nvidia drivers? |
| 03:58.18 | grendelson | I see a bunch of entries in the bugs.debian.org.nvidia but it seesm to be realted to xorg 7 (i have 6.9) anyone else runngin 1.0.8 nvidia packages on nvidia 3d card? with 2.6.12 or 15 kernel? |
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| 03:58.49 | grendelson | I can't seem to get X to recognize that nvidia-glx IS 1.0.8 (keeps erroring out saying the module and driver version are different!) |
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| 03:59.55 | Nick_2 | me lamo |
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| 04:00.27 | ecdemo | for every device major number, how many minor numbers are there? |
| 04:00.29 | thingfish | malder: doing what dpkg showed you will create a kernel module for your running kernel. If you change to a new kernel, you have to build a new module. |
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| 04:00.47 | Kovecses | grendelson: did you uninstall the old nvidia-glx |
| 04:00.57 | grendelson | Kovecses :wait one :-) |
| 04:01.05 | thingfish | malder: other than that, I don't know what you mean by "update nvidia drivers". |
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| 04:01.41 | grendelson | nvidia-glx 1.0.8178-2 |
| 04:02.01 | grendelson | Kovecses : That is the only nvidia-glx dpkg -l returns... |
| 04:02.27 | Kovecses | grendelson: i think like thingfish said... you are still using the old module |
| 04:02.29 | grendelson | I did have a lot of trouble trying to purge my nvidia packages and reinstalling - possible I have some bad libGL files.... |
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| 04:03.13 | grendelson | Kovecses : I ran ma auto-install in both kernels and got kernel module = 1.0.8 and driver - 1.0.7 error in both (it thinks driver is old version!) |
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| 04:04.15 | hosler | I have a 855GM video driver, and I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.16-1 with apt-get. I then tried to get DRI to work with the snapshots from the dri website. It installed successfully, but glxinfo still reports that there is no direct rendering. Is there something im missing? |
| 04:04.23 | grendelson | Kovecses : BUt I've tried running each step manually and nvidia one-liner - fixing it seems to be the problem :-) |
| 04:04.35 | hosler | i810 is the driver im trying to use by the way. |
| 04:04.38 | Pablo | yall see any problem wiht loadiang debian-testing? |
| 04:04.42 | Pablo | on my laptop |
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| 04:05.47 | thingfish | grendelson: you boot to 2.6.15. you run m-a a-i nvidia and it errors out? |
| 04:06.42 | bloop | vlc plugin didn't work |
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| 04:06.51 | bloop | mozilla-mplayer works except for no sound |
| 04:06.53 | mhz | hi all |
| 04:07.35 | mhz | where should I activate APT::Force-LoopBreak option in order to temporarily remove a package? in /etc/apt/apt.conf there is no "forcing" file |
| 04:07.57 | grendelson | thingfish : No it runs just fine and I run startx and then get the API Mismatch error module is at 1.0.8178 driver is at 1.0.7174 (or something like that) |
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| 04:09.08 | Perdignus | mhz cool, any luck so far? |
| 04:09.15 | poonj | hey guys...I just installed gnome/gdm on my system. However, when I am at the login screen, I can freely reboot the system without having to enter a root password |
| 04:09.23 | grendelson | thingfish : I get that error ever since installing 2.6.15 kernel and upgrading nvidia packages (both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx are 1.0.8 versions) |
| 04:09.26 | mhz | Perdignus: yup, it runs very well |
| 04:09.28 | poonj | where can I disable non-root shutdowns? |
| 04:09.47 | thingfish | grendelson: and nvidia-kernel-source is 1.0.8 also? |
| 04:09.59 | Perdignus | mhz: I'd like to do that, with a WiFi card for a nice clock radio that can stream from the internet |
| 04:10.05 | Kovecses | poonj: and? |
| 04:10.08 | mhz | Perdignus: it is just that my CF is 256 MB only and need to decide which minimal debs to install |
| 04:10.08 | grendelson | thingfish :wait one:-) |
| 04:10.09 | k-god | poonj: IIRC that's something you can configure in GNOME's admin panel. Note that the person at console can almost always effect a shutdown if they want to. |
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| 04:10.33 | poonj | k-god, yeah, but they need to enter a root password.. |
| 04:10.40 | bloop | I wish there was a way to remove all the extra package dependencies that got installed along with a package that I once installed but have now removed from my system. |
| 04:10.47 | mhz | Perdignus: hehehe, well, so far, this box has accepted a CF RJ45 |
| 04:10.53 | grendelson | thingfish: ii nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8178-2 |
| 04:10.56 | k-god | poonj: Not true |
| 04:11.04 | Kovecses | poonj: thats how gdm is... if you run gdmsetup i think ... you can change it |
| 04:11.06 | thingfish | grendelson: you got me then. I haven't heard of that before. |
| 04:11.14 | poonj | Kovecses, oka |
| 04:11.19 | k-god | poonj: <ctrl><alt><f1> <ctrl><alt><del> will do it. Or pulling the power cord. |
| 04:11.35 | poonj | k-god, pulling the power cord...yeah |
| 04:11.43 | grendelson | thingfish I'm at a loss as well. I just wanted to get rid of hanging Xserver :-( Now no X at all! |
| 04:11.45 | poonj | k-god, I disabled those in the inittab |
| 04:11.46 | k-god | poonj: Point: if you're at console, you p0wn the box. |
| 04:11.55 | grendelson | thingfish But it runs if I use nv driver! |
| 04:11.56 | grendelson | darn |
| 04:12.11 | k-god | Feh. Chatzilla, anyone know how to disable the echo of direct comments to server tab? |
| 04:12.16 | Perdignus | mhz: are you running X or a console? Can it do framebuffer for a console? |
| 04:12.30 | mhz | Perdignus: however, for EVERY package I try to install, I always get SAME error: Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop |
| 04:12.34 | astronut | is there any way to tell xscreensaver - don't lock on timer, but stay running and lock on xscreensaver-command - lock? |
| 04:12.50 | mhz | Perdignus: well, it is running ion2 desktop |
| 04:12.56 | k-god | astronut: IIRC setting the timeout to 0 disables. |
| 04:13.09 | k-god | astronut: Otherwise, try a very large value. |
| 04:13.16 | astronut | k-god: oh, sorry |
| 04:13.21 | astronut | i meant, temporarily |
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| 04:13.32 | astronut | similar to -throttle, it takes affect the next time it's activated |
| 04:13.35 | mhz | Perdignus: I am actually working on 4 consoles at the same time and 1 for X |
| 04:13.39 | astronut | so after it's locked manually and unlcoke,d it does auto again |
| 04:13.47 | astronut | (for when i'm watching video on here) |
| 04:14.02 | k-god | astronut: Frex: 31536000 seconds would give you a year to get back to kbd. |
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| 04:14.24 | k-god | astronut: Ah.... |
| 04:14.25 | Perdignus | mhz: that's cool |
| 04:14.29 | myren | arg, monodoc is busted |
| 04:15.00 | k-god | astronut: You could configure a wrapper to temporarially disable it. I believe you can pass commands on timeout. See xscreesaver-command |
| 04:15.16 | astronut | k-god: i hadn't seen one listed there |
| 04:15.26 | astronut | that's what i use to unlock it |
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| 04:16.01 | Kovecses | pokerroom is cool |
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| 04:16.29 | astronut | s/un// |
| 04:16.42 | k-god | astronut: Hrm. You might also be able to play twisted games with 'watch' piped to an event watcher. |
| 04:16.56 | k-god | astronut: What you need is a way to fake console activity. |
| 04:17.13 | astronut | meh |
| 04:17.21 | astronut | easier way is to make my lock "run if not running, then lock" |
| 04:17.23 | astronut | then just kill it |
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| 04:17.57 | elpepo | hi friends |
| 04:18.03 | Kovecses | hello |
| 04:18.21 | elpepo | please, How do I can recover files from reiserfs? |
| 04:18.50 | astronut | elpepo: pray? |
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| 04:19.42 | elpepo | and something more technical :) |
| 04:19.54 | astronut | phew, slashdot is back to semi-normal |
| 04:20.00 | Xenguy | elpepo: use ext3 instead, and restore from backup ;-) |
| 04:20.06 | Kovecses | i have no experience with reiser |
| 04:20.07 | grendelson | Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.8178, but this library is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version. |
| 04:20.27 | grendelson | This is the exact error I get after running nvidia one-liner or running each step manually |
| 04:20.35 | elpepo | yes... i was trying with reiser but now I know that ext3 is so better |
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| 04:20.53 | grendelson | On BOTH 2.6.12 and 2.6.15 kernels. I have all 1.0.8 versions of nvidia packages |
| 04:21.05 | Xenguy | elpepo: sorry, I know that wasn't really helpful, but backups are your friend |
| 04:22.15 | Kovecses | mmmmmmmmm beer pokerroom.com and debian |
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| 04:22.58 | Kovecses | too bad i suck at hold em |
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| 04:23.36 | tictac | Kovecses: java? |
| 04:23.40 | Kovecses | yeah |
| 04:23.48 | tictac | pfft. |
| 04:23.57 | Kovecses | why |
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| 04:24.18 | tictac | java is a pita. |
| 04:24.23 | Kovecses | pita? |
| 04:24.32 | tictac | !pita |
| 04:24.32 | dpkg | pita is, like, pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 04:24.36 | grendelson | Painin the acronym |
| 04:24.47 | Kovecses | no pain in the ass for me |
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| 04:25.15 | Kovecses | very easy |
| 04:25.16 | tictac | wow! amazing! |
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| 04:25.34 | Kovecses | java-package makes it nice |
| 04:26.24 | tictac | im going to be living large for the next year or two. |
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| 04:26.54 | Kovecses | tictac: sarcasm? |
| 04:27.13 | tictac | hell no. i get all the extra pay of being in iraq, without getting shot at. |
| 04:27.26 | Kovecses | nice |
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| 04:27.37 | tictac | unfortunately, it will be tech support bs for stupid government employees. |
| 04:29.30 | mlowe1 | how do i turn on sound in xemacs ? |
| 04:29.32 | joeyjones | tictac: do you speak iraqui? |
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| 04:30.20 | tictac | joeyjones: nope. just english and the occasional engrish. |
| 04:30.37 | rabies | how do i access older verisions of debian packages? |
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| 04:30.53 | Kovecses | run sarge |
| 04:31.05 | rabies | i mean a repository |
| 04:31.14 | rabies | theres a date coded repository of debian packages |
| 04:31.17 | rabies | but i cant remember the url |
| 04:31.27 | centrx | snapshot.debian.org ? |
| 04:31.30 | rabies | yeah |
| 04:31.30 | rabies | thx |
| 04:31.31 | Kovecses | rabies: what package |
| 04:31.42 | centrx | snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:31.44 | rabies | libqt4 |
| 04:31.56 | rabies | centrx: that did it |
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| 04:32.14 | rabies | the newer libqt pcakges are bugged |
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| 04:35.16 | flaco | hi all... how can a change the version of python? i have the 2.4.2 but.. i need the 2.4.. if i remove the 2.4.2 .. lots of programs will be removed.... how can change the version without remove the others programs? |
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| 04:35.39 | streuner | you can't |
| 04:36.24 | streuner | flaco: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? (only the version) |
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| 04:36.44 | lordnazgul | is the user nobody necessary? |
| 04:36.55 | streuner | yes |
| 04:37.23 | lordnazgul | if it was accidentally removed can it be readded with the useradd command? |
| 04:37.46 | streuner | install the package |
| 04:37.52 | lordnazgul | oooh even better |
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| 04:38.42 | mhz | guys, how can I just install 1 keyboard layout |
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| 04:40.35 | itguy | exit |
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| 04:41.04 | Kovecses | dead in here |
| 04:41.35 | streuner | hm |
| 04:41.57 | original_ninja | part |
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| 04:42.01 | streuner | its saturday in US |
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| 04:42.06 | streuner | evening... |
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| 04:42.20 | lordnazgul | streuner which package, im not seeing one? |
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| 04:43.02 | streuner | well, you don't need it then |
| 04:43.13 | lordnazgul | ??? you lost me |
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| 04:43.42 | streuner | apache? |
| 04:43.55 | lordnazgul | yes i am using apache... |
| 04:44.00 | lordnazgul | should i reinstall it? |
| 04:44.13 | streuner | yes |
| 04:44.18 | lordnazgul | ok |
| 04:44.23 | lordnazgul | will that lose my config? |
| 04:44.39 | streuner | apt-get --reinstall install apache |
| 04:44.42 | streuner | no |
| 04:44.48 | lordnazgul | excerent thx much |
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| 04:47.40 | lordnazgul | well i did that apache seems to be working just fine, but im still not seeing nobody in /etc/passwd |
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| 04:50.20 | streuner | lordnazgul: do you have 'tcpspy' installed? |
| 04:50.30 | lordnazgul | nope |
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| 04:52.39 | streuner | what error do you get at all? |
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| 04:52.51 | ricardo | a kernel question: I can't start in vga=0x317 in custom kernel, what is missing? |
| 04:53.12 | lordnazgul | nonoe yet. my roommate just told me he was playing around and didnt think it was important |
| 04:53.16 | lordnazgul | so he removed it |
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| 04:53.25 | lordnazgul | *none |
| 04:53.40 | lordnazgul | i was wondering if it would cause a problem |
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| 04:54.17 | streuner | hm, tcpspy uses 'user' 'nobody' |
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| 04:54.27 | leaveone | im having some serious problems with my font sizes.. can someone help.. here is a link to what im referring to http://members.cox.net/leaveone/desktop.jpg |
| 04:54.35 | unstable | !fonts |
| 04:54.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 04:54.57 | streuner | lordnazgul: why do you give random people root access on your system? |
| 04:55.14 | leaveone | yes i looked at those links.. they did not help me at all |
| 04:55.17 | unstable | leaveone: Your fonts look fine, what is wrong? |
| 04:55.21 | lordnazgul | one of the webpages being hosted is his |
| 04:55.41 | lordnazgul | so he had access to the server, how he got root i dunno |
| 04:55.45 | leaveone | im at 1600x1200.. why are my fonts so large |
| 04:55.58 | leaveone | do they not scale down? |
| 04:56.18 | itguy | how can i setup my own email server |
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| 04:57.07 | leaveone | whether i am at 800x600 or 1600x1200 resolution.. my font sizes stay the same.. |
| 04:57.28 | Kovecses | screenshot? |
| 04:57.34 | leaveone | http://members.cox.net/leaveone/desktop.jpg |
| 04:57.43 | grendelson | I'm thinking that maybe my kernel sources are screwed up? The only error eactly likemine was n amd64 debian box using nvidia.... |
| 04:57.54 | lordnazgul | streuner update-passwd fixed it thx anyhow for your help |
| 04:57.54 | grendelson | I'm using 686 kernel on P4 box.... |
| 04:58.03 | lordnazgul | guess it is time to change root passwd ;) |
| 04:58.13 | streuner | for sure |
| 04:58.14 | Kovecses | leaveone: change the fontsize? |
| 04:58.19 | streuner | fire him |
| 04:58.21 | leaveone | how do i do that? |
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| 04:58.31 | Kovecses | control center |
| 04:58.42 | lordnazgul | fire my roommate then i have to pay all the rent |
| 04:58.43 | grendelson | what shoud /usr/src look like on good machine? I have 2.6.15 kernel so shoudl i have kernel-headers2.6.15 adn kernel source and a link frm linux to my headres or what? |
| 04:58.45 | lordnazgul | not cool |
| 04:59.45 | lordnazgul | well thx im out |
| 05:00.19 | stew | grendelson: according to the kernel README, the linux symlink shouldn't exist at all |
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| 05:01.09 | itguy | how can i setup my own email server?please |
| 05:01.19 | leaveone | Kovecses: thanks! i thought it would do it automatically and scale to whatever my screen resolution is.. is it not supposed to do that? |
| 05:01.33 | grendelson | stew: thanks I |
| 05:01.41 | Kovecses | leaveone: i hought it would too ... but? |
| 05:02.06 | grendelson | stew: I'll clean up my whole /usr/src and uninstall all the kerenel source and kernel headers packages adn then try to install nvidia again! |
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| 05:02.16 | grendelson | perhaps I have bad source data soemwhere.. |
| 05:02.22 | itguy | stew: can u help me |
| 05:02.49 | leaveone | i know one problem is that i am using an old nvidia card that i need legacy drivers for.. but i couldnt get them to install after reading the wikipedia tutorial |
| 05:02.53 | Azar | itguy: u you or you u ? |
| 05:03.03 | streuner | itguy: google for 'SMTP HOWTO' |
| 05:03.15 | Azar | u hoo |
| 05:04.42 | grendelson | leaveone: My card is relatively new, Always worjed fine with nvidia one-liner, now I get API mismatch error - driver and module at different versions(but all packages at same version! |
| 05:04.52 | itguy | streuner: do u know howto smtp |
| 05:05.16 | leaveone | i hate nvidia haha |
| 05:05.38 | grendelson | leaveone - the wiki tutorial is what I followed when nvidia drivers stopped working. Now I can't get the versions to match no matter what I do. nv |
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| 05:06.20 | k-god | @comfort grendelson |
| 05:06.21 | ravenbird | There, there, grendelson. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:06.44 | leaveone | grendelson: msg me.. i might be able to help |
| 05:06.56 | streuner | itguy: workaround.org |
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| 05:07.52 | grendelson | k-god : thanks |
| 05:08.29 | streuner | itguy: /msg dpkg u |
| 05:08.33 | grendelson | ravenbird : Even across the internet that sounded sarcastic :-) |
| 05:08.33 | ravenbird | grendelson: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 05:09.10 | grendelson | ravenbird : Truly I read and reread - I must be missing something 1) well hidden 2) so obvious I keep skipping it - right now i relaize it could be either! |
| 05:09.10 | ravenbird | You are moron #1, grendelson |
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| 05:09.46 | Kovecses | easy ... |
| 05:09.59 | aidan | How do I make sure non "actual" users don't get mail, like the "mysql" user, etc |
| 05:10.00 | grendelson | ravenbird : Wow thanks. I will happily accept that if you can point me to what I am overlooking.. (what manual?) |
| 05:10.00 | ravenbird | grendelson: You are moron #2 |
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| 05:10.27 | grendelson | I used the wiki tutorial and one-liner , tried ln as suggested read bugs, still missing it... |
| 05:10.33 | aomighty | does anybody know what's happening with the amarok package in unstable? |
| 05:10.38 | k-god | grendelson: ravenbird's a bot. |
| 05:10.39 | Kovecses | ravenbird: you are asshole #1 |
| 05:10.40 | ravenbird | Kovecses: what are you talking about? |
| 05:10.46 | grendelson | k-god Oh |
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| 05:12.01 | aomighty | does anybody know what's happening with the amarok package in unstable? I noticed it is relying on an old version of libtunepimp, but that hasn't changed in a week or so |
| 05:12.04 | streuner | aomighty: what should happend with it? |
| 05:12.25 | aomighty | it cannot install because of a dependency on libtunepimp2c2a |
| 05:12.26 | streuner | !info amarok sid |
| 05:12.26 | aomighty | which has been deleted |
| 05:12.29 | aomighty | !info amarok sid |
| 05:12.31 | grendelson | There is a lot of "data" _ bugs, some notes about 2.6.15 some errors about 1.0.8 nvidia , but only one i found with exact API mismatch was a amd64 kernel running nvidia driverrs |
| 05:12.36 | grendelson | I'm x86 |
| 05:12.37 | ootput | anybody know where i could find dot/dotty in a debian package? |
| 05:12.42 | ootput | would graphviz contain that? |
| 05:13.03 | streuner | aomighty: what does BTS say about? |
| 05:13.11 | grendelson | !BTS |
| 05:13.11 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 05:13.18 | aomighty | look here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341959 |
| 05:13.33 | grendelson | Oh that was rhetoric? :-) |
| 05:13.47 | aredhel | ootput, yes graphviz has dotty |
| 05:14.12 | ootput | aredhel: cheers. Is it tcl/tk only? |
| 05:14.22 | aredhel | ootput, I have no idea |
| 05:15.03 | aomighty | streuner: they said they're waiting for a mysql transition first, but i dont know how long that will last |
| 05:15.17 | aomighty | is there anything i could do to help that go quicker? |
| 05:15.50 | streuner | !info amarok sarge |
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| 05:16.10 | aomighty | lol sure, i could switch to sarge. |
| 05:16.28 | streuner | dfd |
| 05:16.32 | streuner | no |
| 05:16.36 | aomighty | im running unstable though... im asking about helping get amarok back in quicker |
| 05:17.06 | aomighty | !info amarok sarge |
| 05:17.45 | aomighty | !info commands dont seem to be doing much... where do i type them? |
| 05:18.02 | streuner | there are plenty of other audio players |
| 05:18.10 | streuner | why not just use xmms? |
| 05:18.20 | Kovecses | amarok rules |
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| 05:18.22 | aomighty | i do, i just think amarok should be an option too |
| 05:18.25 | streuner | dpkg sleeping |
| 05:18.26 | dpkg | i heard sleeping is the magical thing geeks have forgotten how to do |
| 05:18.28 | Kovecses | xmms is oldschool |
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| 05:18.41 | aomighty | because, as Kovecses said, amarok is nice too |
| 05:18.47 | streuner | well... |
| 05:19.07 | streuner | you should read /msg dpkg sid faq then |
| 05:19.21 | streuner | !tell aomighty about sid faq |
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| 05:19.47 | aomighty | i know about sid... |
| 05:19.54 | streuner | and install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
| 05:19.55 | aomighty | im not complaining! |
| 05:20.03 | streuner | yes, we see :-/ |
| 05:20.19 | streuner | sid is unstable |
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| 05:21.25 | streuner | dpkg, sid |
| 05:21.25 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 05:21.26 | aomighty | so i take it i just need to wait? no way to speed it up? |
| 05:21.57 | aidan | I'm trying to find a guide to run spamassassin on sarge ... I've edited /etc/default/spamassasin [enabled = 1], what else do I need to do? |
| 05:22.10 | aomighty | yes, i know about sid. i understand that these things happen; that's fine with me! |
| 05:22.19 | Kovecses | aomighty: unless you want to dev |
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| 05:23.03 | grendelson | leaveone: You still here? |
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| 05:24.06 | bykte | is it common to have a unknown ip from your server at 80? |
| 05:24.32 | streuner | if you have apache installed? ;-) |
| 05:24.37 | aomighty | bykte: do you mean an uknown ping+ |
| 05:24.48 | bykte | i keep getting |
| 05:24.50 | grendelson | If I need "kernel sources" for a 3rd party to compile its module or the like - I really only need the Header file with the same version of my stock kernel right? - I only need source of I am rolling my own (using kpkg of course :-) |
| 05:24.52 | bykte | lots of this stuff in netstat -an |
| 05:24.53 | bykte | tcp 0 0 208.53.138.22:80 201.19.242.167:4692 TIME_WAIT |
| 05:25.06 | bykte | although my server ip is definitely not 2080.53.138.22 |
| 05:25.19 | bykte | and i already have apache listening |
| 05:25.38 | bykte | routing ip? |
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| 05:25.59 | Coweater | how can i check if i'm set up to handle dst automatically? |
| 05:26.58 | ootput | can anyone recommend a lightweight ps viewer? |
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| 05:27.40 | aomighty | ootput: you could try gv |
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| 05:28.25 | tyche | I'm looking for an extensive list of pc cards that will work with debian...does anyone have a link by chance? |
| 05:28.47 | tyche | I guess, more specific is a network card listing. |
| 05:29.04 | grendelson | When I run nvidia one-liner I get ver 1.0.8178, but how can I force version 1.0.7174 - jsut specifically put the version in teh package name? |
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| 05:29.44 | grendelson | tyche: I think (thought I read) there is a Hardware compatibility package for debian... |
| 05:30.07 | tyche | I'm sorry, I do not know what that means.... |
| 05:30.19 | Nakko | Hello, all. GnomeBaker is refusing to write to my drive. It used to work, but I just formatted my hard drive and installed sid (as opposed to etch, which I just had). |
| 05:30.34 | grendelson | tyche: I was pretty sure oooh wait one |
| 05:30.48 | grendelson | tell Nakko about sid |
| 05:31.03 | grendelson | I didn't format that right did I? |
| 05:31.11 | streuner | dpkg, tell Nakko about sid faq |
| 05:31.46 | dondelelcaro | tyche: if the card works with the linux kernel, it'll work with Debian. |
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| 05:32.07 | Kovecses | very true |
| 05:32.25 | phyrster | how to prevent crontab send me local messages to my mbox? |
| 05:32.45 | dondelelcaro | phyrster: set MAILTO="" |
| 05:32.51 | dondelelcaro | phyrster: man 5 crontab |
| 05:32.59 | Nakko | =p |
| 05:33.45 | streuner | 'dpkg gave no output of 'info package' |
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| 05:33.52 | streuner | twice |
| 05:34.03 | phyrster | dondelelcaro: how do I know crontab have more than one manuals? |
| 05:34.45 | Nakko | Okay, I have a crafty question for y'all: if I changed my sources.list to point to testing, and did a dist-upgrade in order to go backwards to etch, will that "work" or will it break everything known to man? |
| 05:35.09 | Kovecses | wouldnt work |
| 05:35.10 | streuner | Nakko: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 05:35.25 | dondelelcaro | phyrster: I can't parse that sentence. |
| 05:35.30 | streuner | re-install |
| 05:35.52 | Nakko | Huh. Okay, well, glad you saved me the hassle. Thanks streuner. |
| 05:35.58 | Nakko | =) |
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| 05:36.54 | phyrster | dondelelcaro: usually I do man crontab. I am not aware that crontab has more than one 'man page' |
| 05:37.03 | phyrster | dondelelcaro: I set MAILTO" |
| 05:37.12 | aomighty | struener: i fixed my amarok problem by getting libtunepimp from testing and amarok from unstable. it worked |
| 05:37.23 | phyrster | dondelelcaro: I set MAILTO"" as an environment setting, right? |
| 05:38.05 | tyche | dondelelcaro do you think there is a list of compatible devices? |
| 05:38.08 | ecdemo | what are some ways to take a dir full of .wavs and burn them as audio frames? |
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| 05:38.38 | Kovecses | tyche: yes ... like he said whatever the kernel suppourts |
| 05:39.09 | streuner | !win aomighty |
| 05:39.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, aomighty! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:39.29 | aomighty | lol |
| 05:39.57 | Kovecses | huh |
| 05:40.02 | aomighty | you are a very sarcastic person, streuner |
| 05:40.55 | streuner | there are many options in sid, if something don't work i just use another |
| 05:41.02 | dondelelcaro | phyrster: yes... many manpages have the same names but different sections. apropos crontab; would have clued you in. |
| 05:41.15 | dondelelcaro | tyche: there isn't, because such a list is almost impossible to make and keep accurate. |
| 05:41.25 | phyrster | dondelelcaro: thank you. |
| 05:41.35 | dondelelcaro | tyche: you're welcome to start working on one, but don't expect too much help with it. |
| 05:41.41 | aredhel | ecdemo, cdrecord is basic way. There are others. |
| 05:41.42 | Kovecses | tyche: most nic cards are supported |
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| 05:44.33 | poonj | okay.. |
| 05:44.50 | poonj | is it possible to disable regular users from shutdown/rebooting when logged into gnome? |
| 05:45.15 | aidan | I'm trying to find a guide to run spamassassin on sarge with postfix... I've edited /etc/default/spamassasin [enabled = 1], what else do I need to do? |
| 05:45.17 | tyche | I appreciate the help, I will keep messing with it then. |
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| 05:45.33 | streuner | users aren't allowed to shutdown the system at all, only you give them via sudo rights |
| 05:45.57 | Kovecses | streuner: well in gnome the can |
| 05:46.15 | poonj | Kovecses, does it work through PAM? |
| 05:46.17 | grendelson | poonj, use gnome admin - look for login applet - disable any user or enable need password to reboot something like that |
| 05:46.47 | grendelson | I would tell you exactly but still no nvidia driver :-) |
| 05:48.11 | poonj | grendelson, where is that located? |
| 05:48.22 | Kovecses | grendelson: how are you chatting irssi? |
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| 05:51.10 | grendelson | Kovecses : Bitchx |
| 05:51.33 | Kovecses | yeah bitchx is cool |
| 05:51.38 | grendelson | poonj, shoudl be under desktop/administration but it depends I thikn on your themes menus etc... |
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| 05:52.26 | Kovecses | grendelson: have you tried irssi? |
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| 05:53.16 | grendelson | OK now I'm flummoxed! I purged all headers, all source, all nvidia* anything and reran nvidia one-line, it installed header of my runnign kernel, ran all apps, grabbed nvidia-kernel-common and still I get APCI Veersion mismatch it still thinks my drive is older than my module! arrghhhh |
| 05:53.45 | grendelson | Kovecses No just BitchX in console and Xchat I think in X |
| 05:53.45 | Kovecses | grendelson: reinstall |
| 05:53.50 | grendelson | Kovecses : reinstall what? (not whole systme!) |
| 05:54.11 | Kovecses | grendelson: just an idea |
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| 05:54.59 | grendelson | Kovecses : whoo I felt Like I was chatting with MS tech support (kidding anh MS fanboys in the room:-) |
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| 05:55.22 | likeafox | How do I upgrade my current php-mysql4 (stable) package to php-mysql5 (which is most likely on testing or unstable?), or can they both coexist? |
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| 05:56.13 | grendelson | Kovecses : I do have to get more aggressive though - looks like I have to purge and reinstall all of xserver etc. start fomr ground up! |
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| 05:56.36 | Kovecses | grendelson: yeah i guess so |
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| 06:01.33 | netman1 | Hi All. Is there a irc debian developer irc channel? Having a problem with gcc. |
| 06:01.49 | streuner | netman: just ask here |
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| 06:01.59 | netman1 | Okay... |
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| 06:03.31 | netman1 | Trying to compile ssh 4.3, complains about an a missing LLONG_MAX. It's defined in limits.h. How can I compile and see the files included and see the defined variables. |
| 06:04.07 | Kovecses | over my head |
| 06:04.18 | \amethyst | netman1: you can use gcc -E to just run it through the preprocessor |
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| 06:04.38 | netman1 | amethyst: you help me to much. Thanks. |
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| 06:04.59 | \amethyst | netman1: -dD might also be useful |
| 06:05.05 | moyix | anyone know of something that could do the following--O |
| 06:05.29 | moyix | I've got a bridge interface on each of two machines |
| 06:05.36 | \amethyst | netman1: that tells it to also dump all macro definitions at the end of preprocessing, and to continue the rest of the compilation |
| 06:05.52 | moyix | and I'd like to just be able to forward everything on one to the other, and vice versa |
| 06:05.57 | netman1 | amethyst: Clear. Thanks for the leads. |
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| 06:06.54 | \amethyst | moyix: what do you mean when you say "bridge interface"? |
| 06:07.04 | twiggz | hmm |
| 06:07.13 | moyix | \amethyst: something created using brctl--right now it's just ferrying packets between a few tap interfaces on the same host, creating a sort of virtual network on that one host |
| 06:07.26 | twiggz | i would just like to say that im pretty displeased with the way debian sarge has done my hdd. |
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| 06:08.01 | twiggz | ive never installed a linux distro that actually requires a low level format utility so you can install something else... |
| 06:08.07 | \amethyst | twiggz: ? |
| 06:08.15 | \amethyst | twiggz: What required a low level format? |
| 06:08.20 | twiggz | i installed sarge r1 |
| 06:08.26 | twiggz | recently... |
| 06:08.36 | twiggz | still on it now...because NOTHING WILL INSTALL OVER IT |
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| 06:09.05 | streuner | calm down, and give us more infos |
| 06:09.06 | netman1 | moyix: arping might be usefull |
| 06:09.11 | \amethyst | twiggz: Won't install how? |
| 06:09.24 | \amethyst | twiggz: Can't find the disk, errors writing to the disk, ... ? |
| 06:09.27 | twiggz | not vector linux, not true slackware, not fedora, not even windows will successfully install since i installed sarge |
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| 06:09.51 | streuner | debian isn't windows |
| 06:09.57 | twiggz | oh no way |
| 06:10.00 | twiggz | i didnt know that. |
| 06:10.06 | twiggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.28 | twiggz | i just decided to try the sarge...since id heard so much hubbub about it.. |
| 06:10.45 | Kovecses | that is not a sarge thind |
| 06:10.50 | \amethyst | twiggz: Do all the other OSs fail to install in more or less the same way? |
| 06:11.19 | twiggz | \amethyst: the windows install hangs at 98% everytime when i try to format the disc.... |
| 06:11.39 | streuner | sounds like a HD error then |
| 06:11.40 | twiggz | linux distros hang at "making swap on /dev/hda6" |
| 06:11.47 | \amethyst | twiggz: Is it possible you created a partition that is too large? |
| 06:11.54 | Kovecses | your hard drive has bad sectors |
| 06:11.58 | twiggz | no, i only have a 20 gig hdd. |
| 06:12.08 | \amethyst | Kovecses: you can't leap to that conclusion yet |
| 06:12.15 | twiggz | Kovecses: then why does debian install successfully and nothing else? |
| 06:12.24 | twiggz | its a debian problem. |
| 06:12.26 | Kovecses | right |
| 06:12.30 | Kovecses | no |
| 06:12.35 | Kovecses | that makes no sense |
| 06:12.40 | \amethyst | twiggz: I mean, is is possible that hda6 extends past the end of the disk? |
| 06:13.15 | twiggz | i dont see how....i often format and try new distros....and never once had this problem .... |
| 06:13.42 | Kovecses | i do the same... and debian doesnt ever do that.. (i always come back to debian) |
| 06:13.46 | \amethyst | twiggz: When you tried installing something over sarge, did you re-fdisk, or did you keep the part table? |
| 06:13.49 | twiggz | not even debian based distros like ubuntu and libranet will install over sarge since i installed it.... |
| 06:13.53 | Kovecses | try a disk scrub utility |
| 06:14.01 | twiggz | \amethyst: i tried both. |
| 06:14.32 | \amethyst | twiggz: What error do you get when the linux installs hang? |
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| 06:15.01 | twiggz | i also dont understand why other linux distros call these partitions ext2 in cfdisk on their installs when the debian install explicityly told me that it was creating an ext3 partition. |
| 06:15.11 | twiggz | -y |
| 06:15.22 | \amethyst | because there aren't separate partition types |
| 06:15.52 | twiggz | \amethyst: it doesnt tell me any errors...it just sits there....on "making swap blahblahblah" |
| 06:15.58 | twiggz | i let it sit there for a full day |
| 06:16.02 | twiggz | and nothing |
| 06:16.12 | twiggz | but the sarge sure liked installing again. |
| 06:16.42 | \amethyst | twiggz: is the disk accessing when they say that? |
| 06:16.49 | cahoot | twiggz: you've disclosed the secret plan |
| 06:17.02 | twiggz | cahoot: no doubt. |
| 06:17.02 | Kovecses | lol |
| 06:17.24 | twiggz | \amethyst: yes, i hear the hdd working...but it goes nowhere.. |
| 06:17.34 | twiggz | no matter how long i let it sit there. |
| 06:17.52 | Kovecses | bad sectors |
| 06:18.07 | Kovecses | is my guess |
| 06:18.21 | twiggz | well, the debian install doesnt find any bad sectors at all. |
| 06:18.25 | \amethyst | twiggz: Try dd if=/dev/hda6 of=foo a couple of times |
| 06:18.34 | twiggz | ok. |
| 06:18.37 | Kovecses | yeah that is strange but still |
| 06:18.46 | \amethyst | twiggz: perhaps the debian install isn't overwriting the whole swap partition when it installs |
| 06:18.59 | \amethyst | twiggz: Also, check the SMART logs, and maybe try badblocks |
| 06:19.05 | MasterOfOink | @twiggz: You might try as well using smartctl to investigate your bad sectors. |
| 06:19.40 | streuner | twiggz: how old is the HD? |
| 06:20.26 | twiggz | streuner: maybe two years old..its a 20 gig maxtor. |
| 06:20.59 | twiggz | the maxtor i had before this....ran for 10 years...lol. |
| 06:21.00 | cahoot | twiggz: sounds like my three crashed maxtors |
| 06:21.02 | streuner | well, one of my maxtors wasn't 1 year old :-/ |
| 06:21.21 | MasterOfOink | use "smartctl -a /dev/hda" and look for Reallocated_Event_Count |
| 06:21.28 | twiggz | ive never had a problem with a maxtor drive...ive killed several seagates and WDs though |
| 06:22.01 | twiggz | my last maxtor was ten years old...it was just its time to go... |
| 06:22.04 | twiggz | i guess. |
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| 06:22.27 | streuner | SCSI? |
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| 06:22.34 | twiggz | i bought a wd 120 gig limited edition hdd and it died in a month |
| 06:22.36 | twiggz | :\ |
| 06:22.52 | Kovecses | gee what are you doing to theses drives |
| 06:23.05 | twiggz | nothing out of the ordinary i assure you. |
| 06:23.10 | \amethyst | `Limited' was a reference to the lifespan |
| 06:23.22 | Kovecses | i have a wd that still works .. and its less than a gig its so old |
| 06:23.25 | twiggz | \amethyst: haha, you must be correct :P |
| 06:24.13 | twiggz | ah, i think im going to just buy a new hdd...they are cheap enough...its worth the money to me to not have to dillydally around and try and fix this one.... |
| 06:24.40 | \amethyst | twiggz: It's fortunate that it's on the swap part |
| 06:24.51 | \amethyst | twiggz: because that's the one thing there's no reason at all to back up |
| 06:24.53 | twiggz | im just pretty disappointed with the sarge....thats how i found out nothing would install over it... |
| 06:25.03 | \amethyst | twiggz: not sarge's fault :) |
| 06:25.16 | twiggz | well, all distros try to make the swap first.. |
| 06:25.23 | streuner | hm |
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| 06:25.30 | streuner | make sense then... |
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| 06:25.38 | Kovecses | twiggz: resize partitions |
| 06:25.46 | twiggz | Kovecses: ive tried. |
| 06:25.56 | streuner | and let those 'swap' area not touched |
| 06:26.03 | zood_ | what's a simple way to check for network connectivity in a script? Ping something? |
| 06:26.12 | \amethyst | Oh, it alway hangs on the swap partition, even when it's a different place on the disk? |
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| 06:26.26 | \amethyst | zood_: Depends on what you mean by "connectivity", but that's one way to do it |
| 06:26.40 | twiggz | ive tried different size swaps , at the beginning and the end of the table... |
| 06:26.46 | twiggz | and no joy. |
| 06:26.57 | \amethyst | twiggz: There's something strange about that |
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| 06:27.06 | Kovecses | yeah |
| 06:27.13 | \amethyst | twiggz: See if you can get one of those other OSs to produce more verbose error messages |
| 06:27.27 | twiggz | they just sit there..no error msgs. |
| 06:27.30 | \amethyst | twiggz: and try again.... if there's some kind of disk error, you *should* be getting a message about it |
| 06:27.48 | twiggz | i let it sit there on "making swap blah" for a full day |
| 06:27.52 | twiggz | no error msg |
| 06:27.56 | twiggz | no nothing |
| 06:27.58 | Kovecses | yeah thats ONE distro |
| 06:27.58 | \amethyst | twiggz: Nothing in the logs? |
| 06:28.08 | twiggz | so i stick the sarge install in |
| 06:28.13 | twiggz | and away i go |
| 06:28.19 | twiggz | installs without a glitch |
| 06:28.34 | streuner | twiggz: how much RAM do you have? |
| 06:28.46 | twiggz | i have 1 128mb stick and a 256mb stick. |
| 06:28.53 | twiggz | plenty. |
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| 06:29.33 | johnnybezak | hey guys whats the command to see how much space a folder takes up |
| 06:29.45 | twiggz | btw, will k3b work witht he default 2.4.27-2-386 kernel in sarge? |
| 06:29.47 | \amethyst | johnnybezak: du -sk directory |
| 06:30.03 | \amethyst | johnnybezak: du -k to see all the subdirs |
| 06:30.21 | sehute | johnnybezak: du -hs for a friendly short format |
| 06:30.23 | \amethyst | johnnybezak: and -k isn't typically needed on Linux machines |
| 06:30.42 | streuner | and the box needs to unplug from psu in order to could even start then for the next 2 minutes... |
| 06:30.57 | netman1 | Is using "gcc -std=gnu99" considered a "bad thing" when compiling a package? |
| 06:31.06 | twiggz | i must apologize for my dumb situation...ive used slackware religiously for the past 4 years...without any issue....lately ive been trying lots of distros....i had higher hopes for the sarge that i must say are not being met.. |
| 06:31.07 | Kovecses | \amethyst: you know your stuff |
| 06:31.12 | valdyn | netman1: it is silly |
| 06:31.26 | netman1 | valdyn: ? |
| 06:31.33 | \amethyst | netman1: If the package needs GNU extensions and C99 features |
| 06:31.51 | \amethyst | netman1: err, rather, use it if... |
| 06:31.54 | valdyn | netman1: why would you override the C standard options that some code you didnt write needs? |
| 06:32.14 | netman1 | valdyn: to get it to compile ;-) |
| 06:32.20 | \amethyst | Kovecses: been using Linux for almost 10 years |
| 06:32.27 | unstable | twiggz: You are a moron. You obviously don't know what you're doing. |
| 06:32.33 | twiggz | compiling a kernel the debian way is like pulling your own teeth without even any booze... |
| 06:32.45 | streuner | haha |
| 06:32.45 | twiggz | i feel it nessecary to say that. |
| 06:32.49 | Kovecses | what! |
| 06:32.55 | twiggz | yes. |
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| 06:33.02 | Kovecses | he is a troll |
| 06:33.03 | \amethyst | twiggz: what's so painful about it? |
| 06:33.09 | unstable | !mhallsmite twiggz |
| 06:33.13 | valdyn | twiggz: so dont do it, no one's forcing you |
| 06:33.31 | Kovecses | you can still do it the regular way |
| 06:34.11 | twiggz | \amethyst: the procedure isnt bad...its the results....ive never had a problem compiling any kernel on slackware....never had a kernel panic on first boot before....then i install sarge and want to upgrade the kernel....no matter what i do...kernel panic... |
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| 06:34.43 | MasterOfOink | You did copy the /boot/config-whateverversion to your .config - didn't you? |
| 06:34.57 | twiggz | i like the way its supposed to work...but for some unknown reason...(and yes, i followed the instructions on debian.org. i even used the same kernel they used for an example) |
| 06:35.05 | twiggz | kernel panic |
| 06:35.13 | unstable | twiggz: So go back to slackware, bye. |
| 06:35.17 | \amethyst | twiggz: What kind of kernel panic? |
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| 06:35.23 | \amethyst | twiggz: It could be a very simple problem |
| 06:35.44 | twiggz | it updates grub and everything like its supposed to.... |
| 06:35.56 | twiggz | reboot and the new kernel is there...like its supposed to be.... |
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| 06:37.19 | twiggz | MasterOfOink: i was under the impression that compiling the kernel the debian way was supposed to do all of that for you, as it says on debian.org > installation manual |
| 06:37.30 | MasterOfOink | In fact - it does. |
| 06:37.56 | valdyn | twiggz: it does however not fix your broken .config automagically |
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| 06:38.01 | \amethyst | twiggz: It could be as simple as a device driver left out |
| 06:38.03 | MasterOfOink | Would you please be so kind and give the exact error message of the panic? |
| 06:38.20 | twiggz | nah, i have a very simple machine...and i know my hardware well... |
| 06:38.36 | drbrown | how do you use varibles with sed in a bash script????? here is an example I have that does not work any help would be appreciated |
| 06:38.37 | Kovecses | ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:38.37 | twiggz | i picked the correct things. |
| 06:38.52 | drbrown | cat asterisk-page-file.txt | sed "s/${siparray[${line_num}]}\ ///" > asterisk-page-file.txt |
| 06:38.53 | twiggz | troll? |
| 06:38.55 | twiggz | lmao. |
| 06:39.02 | streuner | twiggz: grep your config with 'INITRD' |
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| 06:39.16 | Brice | is the voding system down ? |
| 06:39.16 | twiggz | hey screw you buddy, im not trolling. dont get all asshurt because someones got a problem with your baby distro. |
| 06:39.17 | Kovecses | proof this guy doesnt listen to a thing |
| 06:39.19 | twiggz | thanks. |
| 06:39.32 | valdyn | twiggz: a kernel panic is always accompanied by a more precise error message. READ it, if you dont understand it, tell us about it |
| 06:39.39 | twiggz | alright, streuner. |
| 06:40.03 | streuner | twiggz: insult somebody of us, but don't blame debian for your dieing HD. |
| 06:40.19 | twiggz | streuner: dying? debian seems to LOVE it. |
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| 06:40.25 | Kovecses | twiggz: u are so lost just leave |
| 06:40.34 | twiggz | if it was dying i would think that debian wouldnt install either. |
| 06:40.36 | twiggz | idiot. |
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| 06:40.50 | Brice | so.. twiggz == noob? |
| 06:40.57 | twiggz | u is a letter, not a word, genius. |
| 06:41.07 | twiggz | really, lets be adult here. |
| 06:41.08 | MasterOfOink | Dear twiggz: Would you please be so kind and give the *exact* message of your kernel panic? |
| 06:41.14 | MasterOfOink | Please? |
| 06:41.17 | zood_ | This is so very intelligent... |
| 06:41.23 | Kovecses | twiggz: yeah im just lazy |
| 06:41.24 | twiggz | MasterOfOink: it says something about it cant find something on hda |
| 06:41.46 | twiggz | i dont remember the exact error. |
| 06:41.46 | MasterOfOink | Ok - what is the exact name of "something"? |
| 06:41.46 | netman1 | twiggz: That's not very exact, is it? |
| 06:41.50 | twiggz | ill be back. |
| 06:41.54 | Kovecses | HA |
| 06:41.56 | twiggz | withe the exact./ |
| 06:42.00 | MasterOfOink | Thanks. |
| 06:42.05 | twiggz | yw. |
| 06:42.22 | Kovecses | what a loser |
| 06:42.30 | MasterOfOink | Noob I assume. |
| 06:43.20 | Kovecses | he said he had been using slackware for 4 years/...... lo |
| 06:43.56 | infinity_ | wow. |
| 06:44.04 | MasterOfOink | @drbrown: You want to replace $iparr[$linenum] with an empty string? |
| 06:44.06 | infinity_ | renaming interfaces on 2.6.15 is a nightmare |
| 06:44.19 | streuner | heh |
| 06:44.24 | valdyn | infinity_: how so? ( works fine for me.. ) |
| 06:44.43 | infinity_ | valdyn: if you're using initramfs, you can't use udev to rename interfaces |
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| 06:45.03 | infinity_ | valdyn: i've been working on this problem for about an hour now. its rediculous! |
| 06:45.17 | valdyn | infinity_: you are talking about network interfaces are you? what has that got to do with udev? |
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| 06:46.01 | valdyn | infinity_: you dont have to do that from your initrd either |
| 06:46.10 | infinity_ | valdyn: well, say you have 3 interfaces. it just so happens that eth[0-2] don't get assigned the same order consistently. sometimes you bootup and its one way, and you reboot and get something else. |
| 06:46.31 | zood_ | when setting up a new kernel, using say menuconfig, is the current kernel config copied over automatically into menuconfig? Hope that makes sense... |
| 06:46.43 | valdyn | infinity_: hmm, 2.6.15 changed the order compared to 2.6.14, but it should be consistent with itself |
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| 06:46.54 | infinity_ | valdyn: so the idea is to use udev to properly assign things, but that stopped working sometime around 2.6.15+ |
| 06:47.23 | \amethyst | infinity_: you can use ifrename and /etc/iftab to rename them to eth3-5 based on MAC address |
| 06:47.27 | infinity_ | valdyn: i'm using 2.6.16, and i've tried everything. whatever i put in my udev rules gets ignored |
| 06:47.31 | \amethyst | infinity_: that way it's consistent across kernels |
| 06:47.53 | infinity_ | \amethyst: yea, but thats not the "correct" way :) ...but thats what i'm doing becaues the correct way won't work |
| 06:48.15 | valdyn | infinity_: i just use itrename and rename ethX to netY ( both starting at zero ) |
| 06:48.24 | valdyn | s/itrename/ifrename/ |
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| 06:48.38 | mhall | ~pastebin |
| 06:48.39 | apt | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:48.39 | infinity_ | valdyn: try udev if you're up for a challenge :) |
| 06:48.45 | valdyn | infinity_: no reason to ) |
| 06:48.51 | infinity_ | heh |
| 06:49.23 | streuner | mhall: heh? :-) |
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| 06:50.18 | valdyn | zood_: nope, isnt copied |
| 06:50.25 | zood_ | aha! |
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| 06:50.47 | valdyn | zood_: 'make oldconfig' might copy it, i always copy manually though, so im not sure |
| 06:50.59 | mhall | Alright, I am experiencing this problem with my apt.conf file: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2277 . What do I need to do? |
| 06:51.05 | zood_ | valdyn, how would one copy manually? |
| 06:51.18 | \amethyst | zood_: gzip -dc /proc/config.gz > .config |
| 06:51.26 | valdyn | zood_: cp /boot/config-$(uame -r) ./.config |
| 06:51.57 | \amethyst | or that |
| 06:52.49 | zood_ | Aha, thank you. |
| 06:52.49 | valdyn | infinity_: mind you cannot easily move eth1 to eth0 when there's another eth0 ( but you probably knew that.. ) |
| 06:53.26 | \amethyst | infinity_: I actually run ifrename twice, once to rename my two interfaces to eth2-3 and again to rename them back to eth0-1 |
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| 06:56.50 | finn__ | I have my system charset set to UTF-8, and firefox set to unicode. now how do I get/install the locales in order to display more languages (for example the ones on the wikipedia main page)? |
| 06:56.52 | evaded | Hi guys, i have get an TV card yesterday. I need to get some informations how to set it up and which software to use. I'm on the TLDP, and see the BTTV howto, i'm not sure. knowing nothing about that subject, first setup of it. |
| 06:57.06 | \amethyst | finn__: you don't need locales, just fonts |
| 06:57.31 | evaded | Someone tips for howtos, confirming these above also and know which software i need? |
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| 06:58.02 | Kovecses | evaded: what card |
| 06:58.07 | finn__ | where from \amethyst |
| 06:58.20 | evaded | 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| 06:58.20 | evaded | 0000:00:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| 06:58.42 | evaded | Kovecses: But it's an Hercule Smart TV |
| 06:59.14 | evaded | I know nothing about it, i not know also where to begin :-/ |
| 06:59.42 | \amethyst | finn__: ttf-baekmuk for Hangul, ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts for Georgian, ttf-lao for Lao, ... |
| 06:59.55 | evaded | Als, BTW is that an good card? |
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| 06:59.59 | kainam | just did an apt qmail install |
| 07:00.08 | finn__ | what's the easiest way to get them? with apt? |
| 07:00.09 | valdyn | evaded: nothing you should do really to make that card work, just run tvtime |
| 07:00.12 | \amethyst | finn__: yes |
| 07:00.18 | kainam | shouldnt that have created /var/qmail dirs? |
| 07:00.28 | finn__ | ok, I'll read the manual, thanks |
| 07:00.32 | valdyn | evaded: unless you need to run a custom kernel and forgot the drivers.. |
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| 07:00.52 | evaded | valdyn: hhmm, look that i need to install it :-) |
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| 07:01.26 | \amethyst | finn__: ttf-dejavu is a Unicode font that provides a lot of Latin, Greek, Cyrillic, etc. characters |
| 07:01.38 | finn__ | thanks |
| 07:01.58 | zood_ | So I just added a repository to sources.list (I running sarge). When I do `apt-get update` it seems to ignore that repository: "Ign http://people.debian.org amarok-sarge/ Release" |
| 07:02.08 | evaded | valdyn: I run here the deb kernel :-) |
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| 07:02.14 | \amethyst | finn__: and ttf-junicode and ttf-thyromanes provide IPA |
| 07:03.11 | finn__ | do I need to restart X after installation? |
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| 07:03.34 | kenrick | problem configure ATI driver any help :D |
| 07:03.38 | \amethyst | finn__: I don't think so, but you might need to restart your browser |
| 07:03.38 | evaded | Installing tvtime ... There are asked NTSC, PAL, ... Whasaaa, hoela what need i'm? Im in Europe, Belgium. No experience with that :-? |
| 07:03.46 | \amethyst | evaded: PAL |
| 07:04.02 | valdyn | evaded: PAL-BG maybe |
| 07:04.17 | \amethyst | evaded: PAL is the european standard, NTSC the US and Japanese |
| 07:04.26 | valdyn | evaded: i dont exactly remember, but even though the tvstandard is PAL all over europe there's different frequency tables |
| 07:04.37 | infinity_ | \amethyst: yea. i'm surprised ifrename doesn't give interfaces a temporary name if they are in use. |
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| 07:04.45 | zood_ | Do I need to do something else to allow access to this repository, or is this simply a problem with the repository itself? |
| 07:04.56 | valdyn | infinity_: check the bts, ifrename is far from nice... |
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| 07:05.10 | infinity_ | valdyn: bts? |
| 07:05.15 | infinity_ | oh. bug track |
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| 07:05.18 | valdyn | infinity_: ( it just works to some usually sufficient extent ) |
| 07:05.18 | evaded | hhm thanks guys :-) i was writing the next question but you have anwer it before. It's 9:07 here, need beer, i want to thank ;-) |
| 07:05.39 | MasterOfOink | Beer in the morning? |
| 07:05.39 | zood_ | !beer evaded |
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| 07:05.44 | infinity_ | valdyn: hmm ..udev doesn't work. ifrename doesn't work. how come we don't write our own? |
| 07:05.58 | evaded | Nice :-0 on a sunday mornig :-) |
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| 07:06.27 | valdyn | infinity_: there's nameif i think |
| 07:06.28 | valdyn | !find nameif |
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| 07:06.49 | valdyn | infinity_: right, in net-tools |
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| 07:06.56 | valdyn | infinity_: no idea if its better though |
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| 07:07.37 | aidan | I've apt-get intalled spamassasin, what else do I need to do to get it running? |
| 07:07.38 | infinity_ | valdyn: it doesn't have init scripts. |
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| 07:08.09 | valdyn | aidan: running how, for which user? |
| 07:08.26 | Arpman | can I ask a question about Xebian? |
| 07:08.28 | argent | !games |
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| 07:08.29 | dpkg | well, games is Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag or the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, or http://www.uniball-central.com, or #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames, or http://www.mtp-target.org, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, or nethack, or freeciv, or dopewars |
| 07:08.29 | evaded | (installing tvtime) There are asked 'Do you wish to make `/usr/bin/tvtime' setuid root?', i guess yes. Right? |
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| 07:09.00 | valdyn | evaded: I dont, no |
| 07:09.21 | MasterOfOink | Tischlein deck dich .. :-) |
| 07:09.22 | valdyn | evaded: its sufficient to be in the video group |
| 07:09.37 | evaded | valdyn: Ok ;-) |
| 07:09.39 | MasterOfOink | Sorry - wrong channel.. :-/ |
| 07:10.16 | aidan | valdyn: running how? I don't know, I'm happy with the default. Which users? All users |
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| 07:10.40 | Arpman | why would mount report no media found when I have a cd installed? |
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| 07:11.00 | streuner | empty CD? |
| 07:11.04 | Money | how do i unpack rar and zip files on linux? |
| 07:11.13 | \amethyst | Money: unrar and unzip packages |
| 07:11.17 | streuner | Money: install rar |
| 07:11.23 | ecdemo | with rar and zip or (see above) |
| 07:11.29 | Arpman | nope - its a commercial cd |
| 07:11.31 | Money | i have it, but i tried ./configure it didn't work though |
| 07:11.37 | Money | lemme, try though atp |
| 07:11.38 | zood_ | If I'm running sarge, how can I search the source packages of etch? In other words, I want to do something like apt-cache search foo; but I want to search the etch source packages |
| 07:11.47 | \amethyst | Arpman: copy-protected? |
| 07:11.49 | ecdemo | what kind of cd is it? |
| 07:11.52 | valdyn | Money: why did you run ./configure to UNPACK something? |
| 07:12.07 | Money | no, it was already unpacked |
| 07:12.08 | streuner | Arpman: cat /proc/version |
| 07:12.10 | Money | i was tring to run rar |
| 07:12.18 | Money | hold on, im installing rar now via apt |
| 07:12.21 | Money | done |
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| 07:12.28 | ecdemo | maybe he was going to build rar |
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| 07:13.08 | ecdemo | zood_: you can download the Sources files |
| 07:13.11 | grendelson | I've read the whoel nvidia-glx readme and double checked all my symlinks, and re did my module and I still get and API mismatch when starting X with nvidia driver... |
| 07:13.17 | vrt | zood_, you might want to look at apt-pinning (http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html) |
| 07:13.30 | finn__ | one last one, if I don't know what language the not displayed font is, how can I find out? |
| 07:13.34 | Money | ok, so how do i unpack rar's and zips, i have rar installed |
| 07:13.36 | ecdemo | or the Packages files, which might name their source files |
| 07:13.42 | valdyn | zood_: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 07:13.44 | ecdemo | man rar! |
| 07:13.45 | ecdemo | :) |
| 07:13.52 | valdyn | zood_: ( gets the source ), you can search for each package.. |
| 07:13.55 | grendelson | It still errors out telling me that my module is 1.0.8 but my current driver is 1.0.7! |
| 07:13.56 | glorx | unrar x <filename.rar> |
| 07:14.00 | ecdemo | (but you knew that was coming :) |
| 07:14.02 | argent | finn__, check the page source code |
| 07:14.07 | vrt | Money, is the cofigure failing? |
| 07:14.10 | finn__ | thanks |
| 07:14.16 | \amethyst | finn__: find out what unicode block the character is in and look it up on unicode.org |
| 07:14.17 | MasterOfOink | rar e archive |
| 07:14.21 | zood_ | valdyn, right, so how do I search for the source packages? |
| 07:14.25 | ecdemo | rare |
| 07:14.36 | valdyn | zood_: isnt it enough to search for a package and grab its source? |
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| 07:14.45 | valdyn | zood_: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 07:14.49 | evaded | tvtime - There are 'No signal', i understand no signal :-/ Need i do somethings to get it running. Like a had not an need to set an driver and so, i guess, that tvtime goes work |
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| 07:15.02 | zood_ | amarok souces from etch so I can compile and run on sarge |
| 07:15.06 | lunar | damn jupes |
| 07:15.18 | valdyn | evaded: no signal means that your card has no cable.. or that channel is unused.. |
| 07:15.22 | evaded | But i think i need to, like on the TV, set the channnels? |
| 07:15.39 | valdyn | evaded: you can use your scrollwheel to change channel |
| 07:15.49 | valdyn | evaded: right mouse button for the menu |
| 07:16.10 | evaded | valdyn: Yes :-) 140 no signal channels :-( |
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| 07:16.47 | valdyn | evaded: check your cabling then |
| 07:16.49 | evaded | cable are good, but i look again. Just i have not plug the audio cable on it. Is it important? I have it not, but i guess just only no sound |
| 07:16.51 | zood_ | I guess I'm wondering how to find out what the names of the packages I need to install are. So when I do `apt-get source <packagename>` I know what <packagename> is |
| 07:17.01 | ecdemo | zood_: for most of them they're the same bin package name and that's how you key them to download |
| 07:17.31 | valdyn | zood_: so run apt-get source amarok |
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| 07:17.43 | evaded | valdyn: Need i not to programm all the differents channels like the TV that i need to choosse wich channel on which number? |
| 07:17.46 | kainam | hrmmmm |
| 07:17.52 | valdyn | evaded: you dont need to |
| 07:17.53 | vrt | zood_, you could turn on bash completion, |
| 07:17.59 | valdyn | evaded: you just have no signal... |
| 07:18.04 | Money | alright, i ran the man, now, i just tried to unrar a zip why can't i do that? rar handles zip too |
| 07:18.16 | valdyn | evaded: you _can_ program as on tv but ( as on tv ) its not required.. |
| 07:18.27 | unstable | Money: no it doesn't |
| 07:18.31 | unstable | Money: apt-get install unzip |
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| 07:18.53 | evaded | valdyn: Ok. I have check the cable, is good :-/ |
| 07:19.05 | Money | unstable ahh |
| 07:19.25 | ecdemo | like, if you would do apt-get install do-da-flop to download/install do-da-flop_1.0-1_i386.deb (but the source from upstream is named doflop-1.0.tar.gz), you still do apt-get source do-da-flop <-- same name as for binary |
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| 07:19.29 | zood_ | valdyn, so the name of the source package is always the same as the equivalent binary? I think that's what ecdemo is saying right |
| 07:19.30 | Money | unstable: in windows it does |
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| 07:20.22 | ecdemo | zood_: maybe not, but you still call the source from the binary name |
| 07:20.30 | evaded | The cable are been good connected to the TV card. But he 'No signal' on the 140 channels. Need i do a thing more? |
| 07:20.58 | evaded | I have just plug that card i my computer, power on, installed 'tvtime'. Enought? |
| 07:21.25 | ecdemo | evaded: make sure the cable wire you plug in works fine with a normal tv |
| 07:21.28 | zood_ | So if I'm running sarge how can I do something like apt-cache search foo, but having it search etch packages? |
| 07:21.54 | aidan | I've apt-get intalled spamassasin, what else do I need to do to get it running? I'd like it installed transparently for all users, just /dev/nulling anything with a spam rating higher than 7 |
| 07:22.02 | evaded | ecdemo: Yes, i have plug that from my TV, no more on the TV. So that cable are been working |
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| 07:22.05 | ecdemo | you'd need etch lines in sources.list and do apt-get update |
| 07:22.20 | Money | yay, i've just unzipped a .zip by myself, and i did it because i read the man pages, yay |
| 07:22.24 | evaded | So the cable are not broke, he worked 15 minutes ago |
| 07:22.38 | ecdemo | evaded: ok, good enough, you've eliminated everything up to the computer |
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| 07:22.53 | paulliu | Money: You can try a front-end... |
| 07:23.12 | ecdemo | Money: I need to make more of you |
| 07:23.18 | evaded | I do 'scan channels for signal', but ... he find nothing |
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| 07:24.29 | ecdemo | evaded: do you have settings like "normal tv", "cable", (somethjing else)? |
| 07:24.39 | stoned | wtf is with my damn irc man |
| 07:24.42 | grendelson | How many hours did I hav to invest for one stupid symlink to a so file with incorrect permission ! Oooh its too sad to think about! |
| 07:24.48 | petkouzunski | could someone help me with installing ati drivers or just give me a link to a howto |
| 07:24.56 | grendelson | The nvidia drivers were definetly an Aprils fools joke! |
| 07:25.03 | stoned | !ati |
| 07:25.03 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 07:25.17 | ecdemo | grendelson: the fact you found it yourself is a major win |
| 07:25.17 | Eclipser | shouldn't that be DontUseAti |
| 07:25.18 | evaded | ecdemo: 'input/change video source:Television '? |
| 07:25.27 | petkouzunski | thanks |
| 07:25.29 | stoned | Eclipser, lol |
| 07:25.37 | ecdemo | evaded: not sure |
| 07:25.48 | grendelson | ecdemo : I have to say the feeling of excitement is tempered only by my exhaistion |
| 07:26.14 | stoned | whoah where do they speak english like that |
| 07:26.33 | stoned | tempered? exhaustion i can make out |
| 07:26.37 | ecdemo | excitement is good... you found it... you will find more when needed |
| 07:26.39 | stoned | but tempered doens't even go here |
| 07:26.59 | grendelson | ecdemo : I learned more about nvidia drivers than I ever wanted to know - Interestingly enough I had to install the nvidia pro driver to find the error - the glx doc didn' tpoint out that there was anything wrong - the symlink was there but teh prop driver didn;t like it so cancelled install |
| 07:27.00 | evaded | ecdemo: Yes, he is been on the 'Television' mode, because if i choose the other (composite1/3 or svideo) i have not the 'channel management' |
| 07:27.12 | grendelson | I traced error and voila changed one files perms and startx |
| 07:27.17 | stoned | anyway, everytime I run ntpdate, my Xserver restarts |
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| 07:27.23 | grendelson | sheesh 2 days of screwing with this stupid thing.... |
| 07:27.26 | stoned | why is this happeneing? |
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| 07:27.45 | grendelson | BUT I still ahve debian nvidia drivers and not propietary so feel good about that |
| 07:27.45 | ecdemo | evaded: ahh, that sounds like "input select" |
| 07:27.51 | Arpman1 | any opps around? |
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| 07:28.06 | cahoot | stoned: the server's getting tempered with? |
| 07:28.08 | streuner | Arpman1: why? |
| 07:28.11 | stoned | cahoot, lol |
| 07:28.12 | ecdemo | to bopp |
| 07:28.13 | argent | Arpman1, why? |
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| 07:28.22 | ecdemo | the unboppable opp |
| 07:28.23 | Arpman1 | need to kill Arpman login - I had a hickup |
| 07:28.37 | streuner | Arpman1: /msg nickserv help |
| 07:28.38 | argent | Arpman, then you will need to contact a sopp |
| 07:28.54 | Arpman1 | should timeout by then.... |
| 07:29.00 | stoned | streuner, would you know why X restarts when ntpdate is ran? |
| 07:29.04 | argent | Arpman1, though if you are registered, you can do /msg nickserv ghost Arpman <password> |
| 07:29.17 | Arpman1 | hmmm - might try that |
| 07:29.17 | cahoot | stoned: no msg in X's error log? |
| 07:29.26 | evaded | Is there an way to test that card? |
| 07:29.37 | stoned | cahoot, good point, I have not checked, let me.brb |
| 07:29.48 | ecdemo | is there a daemontools in debian? or something very close? |
| 07:30.01 | stoned | ecdemo, you can mounst iso files just like that |
| 07:30.34 | Arpman1 | im not registered - guess Ill have to do that soon |
| 07:30.36 | stoned | ecdemo, mount -t iso9660 etc. |
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| 07:30.45 | ecdemo | no, I mean... |
| 07:30.48 | Arpman1 | ok - my problem |
| 07:31.11 | stoned | ecdemo, if you want the illegal securerom and cdprotection support, you will not find anything here |
| 07:31.11 | streuner | so you have to wait a few minutes till the server killed the 'old' nick |
| 07:31.23 | ecdemo | I have a daemon that I want to run, and with a supervise daemon watching it, when it goes away, runs it again |
| 07:31.32 | lunar_ | hm |
| 07:31.45 | Arpman1 | I use mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom on my xebian box and get the following msg |
| 07:31.49 | streuner | Arpman1: or just register your nick (/msg nickserv help) |
| 07:31.52 | ecdemo | also I need to be able to control it as a particular user (who isn't root) |
| 07:31.59 | stoned | ecdemo, you're not talking about deamontools cd drive emulator for windows alternative for linux/debian? or deamontools like unix utility? |
| 07:32.07 | stoned | ecdemo, nevermind, ignore me |
| 07:32.15 | ecdemo | the djb thign |
| 07:32.21 | Arpman1 | mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write protected, mounting read-only |
| 07:32.23 | Arpman1 | mount : No medium found |
| 07:32.23 | Arpman1 | I use the command mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 07:32.23 | Arpman1 | Im confused why it did not work (I am working thru a ssh shell via cygwin and super user) |
| 07:32.23 | Arpman1 | can anyone hlp me out? |
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| 07:32.24 | stoned | got ya |
| 07:32.51 | ecdemo | I should probably just build daemontools |
| 07:33.14 | stoned | Arpman, ls /dev |grep cdrom you might want to use /dev/cdrom0 etc. there is no such cdrom |
| 07:33.25 | streuner | stoned: gone |
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| 07:33.42 | stoned | streuner, eh |
| 07:33.42 | ecdemo | the other thing is, is it possible to get an initrd kernel to wait a few secs before trying to mount root? |
| 07:34.04 | Arpman1 | im back - again |
| 07:34.08 | stoned | oh |
| 07:34.20 | stoned | dangit :( streuner thanks i see now hehaha |
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| 07:35.05 | Arpman1 | I need help with xebain and mount - anyone smarter then me in that area? |
| 07:35.08 | stoned | Arpman1, if you have more than 1 optical drive you have to specify the number |
| 07:35.15 | stoned | Arpman, oh xebian, i dunno |
| 07:35.25 | stoned | i don't screw with MS products |
| 07:35.41 | Arpman1 | well its not MS anymore....LOL |
| 07:35.46 | stoned | I got a good ol PS2, im happy |
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| 07:35.52 | streuner | Arpman1: what happens if you using mount without specify the FS? |
| 07:35.59 | stoned | Arpman1, are you telling me that xbox is non MS? |
| 07:36.11 | streuner | Xebian |
| 07:36.29 | stoned | xebian == debian for xbox right? |
| 07:36.34 | stoned | unless I am in another dimension |
| 07:36.36 | Arpman1 | well its just a Celeron now with Cromwell and Xebian - now more MS stuff |
| 07:36.39 | finn__ | worked fine, thanks for your help \amethyst |
| 07:36.45 | finn__ | yes stoned |
| 07:36.45 | Arpman1 | yep yep |
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| 07:36.59 | streuner | dpkg, listvals xebian |
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| 07:37.02 | Arpman1 | ok - this is what i get... |
| 07:37.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xebian' by value (2): derivatives ;; xebian. |
| 07:37.17 | streuner | dpkg, xebian |
| 07:37.17 | dpkg | i guess xebian is http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian. See #xbox-linux on oftc.net. XEBIAN IS NOT DEBIAN! |
| 07:37.44 | grendelson_ | Oh don't get me wrong - I've learned to love screen and my console but It is goood to be back in a 2 monitor graphical desktop!!! |
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| 07:37.55 | Arpman1 | its a flavor - but could not find an IRC xebian server... |
| 07:37.55 | stoned | streuner, xebian is not an official port of debian to xbox? didn't know that |
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| 07:38.29 | streuner | Arpman1: connect to irc.oftc.net and /join #xbox-linux |
| 07:38.40 | Gokee2_Laptop | Is there a way to edit the startup of debian? I want to have it not do dhcp, start a print server, and a bunch of other stuff.... thanks |
| 07:38.42 | Arpman1 | you guys gonna help me out even though its xebian? |
| 07:38.48 | grendelson_ | Thanks to everyone who tried to point me in the correct direction all day with nvidia drivers - Don;t know where I went wrong following the wiki tutorial but it's man oh man it went bad quick! |
| 07:39.01 | ecdemo | Arpman1: irc.oftc.net |
| 07:39.05 | stoned | Arpman1, probably not, they dont' discuss anything non-debian, quite anal |
| 07:39.14 | stoned | no knoppix or ubuntu or xebian or whatever |
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| 07:39.41 | Arpman1 | hmm - thanks stoned - appreciate it... |
| 07:39.49 | stoned | anytime |
| 07:40.14 | ecdemo | one question... does it work? :) |
| 07:40.22 | stoned | Arpman1, you were instructed to go to #xbox-linux on irc.oftc.net |
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| 07:41.01 | grendelson_ | ecdemo, was it me? |
| 07:41.33 | Arpman | thanks stoned - working the issue |
| 07:42.04 | zood_ | How do I automatically install required dependencies as I install a .deb file that I've got locally stored? |
| 07:42.19 | evaded | I find not, and sollution why i get 'No signal' in tvtime. I need to be sure that the card are working, is there a way to get that know? |
| 07:42.30 | streuner | zood: apt-get -f install |
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| 07:45.15 | zood_ | streuner, hmmm I do `apt-get -f install foo.deb` and I get: "E: Couldn't find package foo.deb" |
| 07:45.22 | grendelson_ | ecdemo, X works - but the whole point fo the kernel and driver upgrade was to try to get Xorg to stoplocking up ! so now I ahve to wait and see if I lock up again - no apic in kernel so hears hoping:-) |
| 07:45.52 | ecdemo | grendelson_: bestoluck |
| 07:46.01 | grendelson_ | ecdemo, Thanks |
| 07:46.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | guess not. :/ |
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| 07:46.54 | evaded | TV card (tvtime)- I not want to reboot to test it in that beeeep of XP to check of that card work. I have software with that card, i have not look on that CDROM, i guess is for that commercial thing. So is there not an way to see if that card are working? I'm not sure if it work, brother of my wife have buy it on the Internet for my. |
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| 07:47.17 | streuner | dpkg, xebian |
| 07:47.17 | dpkg | xebian is, like, http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian. See #xbox-linux on oftc.net. XEBIAN IS NOT DEBIAN! |
| 07:47.58 | streuner | dpkg, no xebian is <reply> http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian |
| 07:47.58 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 07:48.20 | streuner | the channel is dead... |
| 07:48.25 | stoned | !xebian |
| 07:48.25 | dpkg | http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian |
| 07:48.34 | unstable | lol |
| 07:48.38 | unstable | First time I saw that. |
| 07:49.02 | zood_ | streuner, did you catch my message after your "zood: apt-get -f install" |
| 07:49.06 | unstable | Why do they call it Xebian, it's just debian on xbox |
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| 07:49.12 | streuner | xbox is a 700Mhz Intel CPU with nvidia videocard |
| 07:49.14 | unstable | 686 |
| 07:49.29 | streuner | unstable: prolly a bit more than that... |
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| 07:49.35 | ecdemo | they coudn't think of a real word that starts with x? |
| 07:49.46 | streuner | tell that M$ |
| 07:49.49 | *** part/#debian xwl (n=user@th131181.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) |
| 07:49.58 | unstable | !microsoft |
| 07:49.58 | dpkg | microsoft is, like, the soft conglomerate of stature that provides the food to billions of apathetic morons who want to sit on the asses of thier undoing so their minds can melt into the pixelized universe that is The Daily Show |
| 07:50.03 | streuner | (X)-box-(D)ebian... |
| 07:50.15 | kainam | i just apt'd qmail and built/installed it.... i dont have a "/var/qmail/control" etc :O |
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| 07:50.21 | kainam | have i done something wrong???? |
| 07:50.23 | stoned | !bush |
| 07:50.23 | dpkg | bush is, like, chick plumbing, or the current President and the Dictator of the World, or a shrubbery, or a moron |
| 07:50.30 | stoned | lol |
| 07:50.33 | unstable | lol |
| 07:50.37 | stoned | quite entertaining this bot |
| 07:50.42 | stoned | dont' abuse it ! |
| 07:50.47 | unstable | !abuse |
| 07:50.47 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 07:50.51 | ecdemo | the bush is not the plumbing... |
| 07:51.03 | \amethyst | insulation |
| 07:51.05 | streuner | Arpman: so what happens if you run 'mount /dev/hd(x)1,2,3 /cdrom'? |
| 07:51.08 | Arpman | its more interesting in here |
| 07:51.14 | cahoot | stoned: puerile at times |
| 07:51.17 | penrod | recommendation for a ftp server , thinking of proftpd or vsftp |
| 07:51.23 | streuner | yes, we figured it already out :-) |
| 07:51.25 | stoned | cahoot, lol, |
| 07:51.26 | unstable | penrod: who cares |
| 07:51.28 | evaded | He dpkg know what is 'Belgium' :-) |
| 07:51.36 | Arpman | let me find out streuner |
| 07:51.42 | streuner | Arpman: nothing at there website (support)? |
| 07:51.43 | unstable | penrod: use vsftpd they're the same shit anyway. If you have to ask which one to use...it won't matter for you. |
| 07:51.47 | stoned | !belgium |
| 07:51.47 | dpkg | i heard belgium is a small country in Europa. It's between France and Germany |
| 07:51.51 | zood_ | Do I need to put .deb files in a certain directory in order to install them? |
| 07:51.58 | unstable | zood_: no |
| 07:52.04 | penrod | thank you |
| 07:52.04 | stoned | zood_, not, you can do dpkg - file.deb |
| 07:52.05 | evaded | dpkg say nothing bad of it :-) |
| 07:52.06 | dpkg | nothing bad of it :-) |
| 07:52.10 | streuner | Arpman: or any ML? |
| 07:52.14 | stoned | zood_, not, you can do dpkg -i file.deb |
| 07:52.14 | evaded | oeps |
| 07:52.23 | unstable | !moo |
| 07:52.23 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 07:52.29 | Arpman | Streuner: have not found much - someone suggested this room because it is a flavor of debian... |
| 07:52.33 | zood_ | I do `apt-get -f install foo.deb` and I get: "E: Couldn't find package foo.deb" |
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| 07:52.48 | stoned | zood_, do dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 07:52.49 | streuner | Arpman: tell him he should get a clue |
| 07:52.51 | unstable | zood_: What are you trying to do? |
| 07:53.07 | zood_ | install amarok backports |
| 07:53.18 | stoned | zood_, maybe you should read about |
| 07:53.18 | streuner | Arpman: debian based isn't debian |
| 07:53.19 | unstable | !backports |
| 07:53.19 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 07:53.20 | stoned | !apt-howto |
| 07:53.20 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
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| 07:53.28 | unstable | zood_: You use apt-get to do this. |
| 07:53.35 | cahoot | <streuner> Arpman: debian based isn't debian - that's new |
| 07:53.36 | streuner | stoned: can you /msg the bot, please? |
| 07:53.38 | unstable | zood_: read apt-howto |
| 07:53.48 | stoned | streuner, that wasn't for me |
| 07:53.55 | aidan | I've apt-get intalled spamassasin, what else do I need to do to get it running? I'd like it installed transparently for all users |
| 07:54.01 | Arpman | xebian is based on debian |
| 07:54.02 | zood_ | unstable, is the command I issued above incorrect? |
| 07:54.10 | streuner | !debian based |
| 07:54.10 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 07:54.14 | unstable | zood_: no |
| 07:54.21 | stoned | zood_, if you fucking pay attention to what I;ve been telling you, maybe you could get it to work |
| 07:54.28 | unstable | zood_: Put your /etc/apt/sources.list file on www.rafb.net/paste ok? |
| 07:54.33 | zood_ | whoa chill |
| 07:54.48 | unstable | !chill |
| 07:54.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chill is cool, or usually found in #huizebb |
| 07:54.50 | streuner | Arpman: if you try to say what debian is or what it is not you are failing then ;-) |
| 07:54.52 | Money | hello, i do c++ programing in gedit, is there a way i can enable the liens on the side, so i can chedck my errors, without counting them one by on |
| 07:54.54 | Money | one* |
| 07:54.55 | stoned | I am sick of morons repeating the damn thing 20 times and getting the same damn answer every 20 times |
| 07:54.58 | kelmo | so i hack on Kanotix, shall i stop making debian packages for debian then? |
| 07:55.06 | Arpman | streuner: hda does not exist... |
| 07:55.07 | unstable | !tell Money about #gnome |
| 07:55.32 | streuner | Arpman: so on which IDE channel is the CDROM connected? |
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| 07:56.03 | ecdemo | stoned: I feel your pain... consider taking breaks from the channel sometime |
| 07:56.08 | zood_ | stoned, I really don't think I was repeating anything. I am tired but I'm not trying to be lazy or anything. I just can't figure it out |
| 07:56.13 | streuner | Arpman: run 'dmesg' |
| 07:56.24 | streuner | Arpman: it should tell you |
| 07:56.32 | Arpman | streuner - with out opening the box - not sure... fstab reports hda1 is swap and hda2 is HD |
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| 07:56.48 | SexyKen | How many volts should I run my DDR PC3200 ram at? |
| 07:56.52 | stoned | zood_, its ok, I know. I gave you specific instrucitons and command as to how to install a .deb package, yet you kept asking again and again. |
| 07:57.05 | streuner | Arpman: and there is no entry in fstab for CDROM? |
| 07:57.34 | zood_ | unstable, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/L8B0em92.html |
| 07:57.40 | Arpman | yes - but says /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 07:57.55 | streuner | Arpman: ok, mount /cdrom is ok then |
| 07:58.11 | zood_ | stoned, dpkg -i foo.deb doesn't do it for me because it doesn't also install the required dependencies |
| 07:58.24 | streuner | Arpman: btw, what does 'ls -l /dev/cdrom' say? |
| 07:58.38 | deadcat | zood_: then you run apt-get install -f |
| 07:58.45 | ecdemo | zood_: that's because that's not dpkg's job :) |
| 07:58.57 | Arpman | No medium found with mount /cdrom |
| 07:59.13 | stoned | zood_, I answered what you asked. I am not omniscient, I have no idea what you are trying to do. |
| 07:59.16 | streuner | Arpman: no, only the 'ls' command |
| 07:59.18 | zood_ | deadcat, I do `apt-get -f install foo.deb` and I get: "E: Couldn't find package foo.deb" |
| 07:59.35 | stoned | zood_, once again, oh fuck it |
| 07:59.36 | Money | yea |
| 07:59.36 | stoned | i give up |
| 07:59.40 | stoned | toke time :) |
| 07:59.49 | Kovecses | zood_: instead of foo... wha tis the package? |
| 08:00.02 | Arpman | streuner > ls -l /dev/cdrom reports /dev/cdrom -> cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 08:00.03 | stoned | Kovecses, omy god, are you serious? |
| 08:00.09 | stoned | lol |
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| 08:00.16 | ecdemo | zood_: the name of a deb package file looks something like this... foo_1.0-1_i386.deb |
| 08:00.28 | deadcat | zood_: i didnt say "apt-get install -f blah.deb" i said "apt-get install -f" AFTER you dpkg -i bha.deb |
| 08:00.34 | zood_ | Kovecses, amarok-arts_1.3.6-1~sarge1_i386.deb. I'm in the directory where the deb is located. But even if I use the absolute path I get the same prob |
| 08:00.39 | likeafox | Why when I try to ssh as root it tells me "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)", but I can log in as other users? |
| 08:00.40 | ecdemo | the name of the PACKAGE is everything in the file name up to the first _ |
| 08:00.47 | stoned | deadcat, hehe, you're talking to a wall man :) |
| 08:01.00 | deadcat | stoned: proably... i am out. (= |
| 08:01.02 | cahoot | likeafox: that's how it should be |
| 08:01.16 | likeafox | okay. |
| 08:01.32 | ecdemo | zood_: so if the deb file name is amarok-arts_1.3.6-1~sarge1_i386.deb then what is the package name? |
| 08:01.38 | cahoot | likeafox: look in sshd_config |
| 08:01.45 | Arpman | sreuner: dmesg reports hdb not ready |
| 08:01.58 | stoned | zood_, visit http://deb.stosberg.net which as amarok 1.4beta 2 backports for sarge, which work wonderfull. It has specific instructinos on how to isntall it. |
| 08:02.03 | Arpman | might be disconnected in the box ..... |
| 08:02.07 | Kovecses | im addicted to pokerroom.com ive been playing for 6 hours |
| 08:02.09 | zood_ | ecdemo, amarok-arts? |
| 08:02.15 | ecdemo | yes! |
| 08:02.34 | ecdemo | dpkg -i debfilename |
| 08:02.44 | ecdemo | apt-get install packagename |
| 08:02.57 | streuner | Arpman: what kind of device is that? USB=? |
| 08:02.59 | ecdemo | (and there are other differences) |
| 08:03.26 | Arpman | Struener: its IDE |
| 08:03.34 | zood_ | ecdemo, both of those will install the sarge package. I want to install from some .deb files that I downloaded. They are backports from etch |
| 08:03.42 | Arpman | the error is ATAPI |
| 08:04.00 | Arpman | driver maybe? |
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| 08:04.07 | stoned | zood_, apt-get install amarok && apt-get remove amarok* AFTER YOU DO THIS you should install the backport .deb or use sources.list/apt-get your choice. First part will biuld dependency, second will remove amarok older version from sarge, 3rd will install new amarok |
| 08:04.08 | dfd | hello |
| 08:04.16 | ecdemo | put all the .debs in one dir (with nothing else) and cd there and do dpkg -i * |
| 08:04.19 | stoned | zood_, this isn't hard, if you just read what you're being told |
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| 08:04.36 | stoned | ecdemo, that is usually not a good idea |
| 08:05.03 | dfd | I installed some packages from ubuntu repositories. Can I configure apt to ignore such packages for upgrades? |
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| 08:05.14 | stoned | dfd, why would you do something like this? |
| 08:05.23 | ecdemo | things in debian are usually very complex under the hood... most people don't like looking there :) |
| 08:05.46 | cahoot | dfd: put them on 'hold' ? |
| 08:05.47 | finn__ | how learn if you don't look under the hood? |
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| 08:06.02 | stoned | finn, manuals |
| 08:06.04 | dfd | stoned, because debian version of such packages doesn't work properly for me. I'm trying xgl and compiz, and some xpackages from debian repositories break them |
| 08:06.10 | ecdemo | finn__: exactly... but some people won't |
| 08:06.18 | Kovecses | not too bad under the hood |
| 08:06.22 | stoned | dfd life's a bitch aint it |
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| 08:06.24 | ecdemo | there are other things to learn about tho |
| 08:06.25 | Langly | Is it true that there is an "Eh" key on Canadian keyboards? |
| 08:06.34 | stoned | Langly, HAHAHA |
| 08:06.42 | Bogaurd | why does apt-get install java-package say that the package does not exist? |
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| 08:06.53 | dfd | cahoot, how do I do? man apt? |
| 08:07.03 | ecdemo | man do? |
| 08:07.11 | stoned | Bogaurd, I am not sure but mabye you need to add contrib non-free to your sources list |
| 08:07.17 | dfd | do? |
| 08:07.38 | ecdemo | <dfd> cahoot, how do I do? |
| 08:07.53 | stoned | Bogaurd, other than that I can't think of a reason why. and I also don't know which repository java-package exists in |
| 08:07.55 | streuner | Arpman: subsribe to there ML |
| 08:07.58 | dfd | :) |
| 08:08.01 | dfd | is that wrong english? |
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| 08:08.14 | Kovecses | its in contrib i think |
| 08:08.14 | ecdemo | no, it's not wrong |
| 08:08.25 | Langly | stoned the Canadian "Eh" key is thier exquivelent of our . |
| 08:08.42 | Kovecses | our period? |
| 08:08.50 | finn | flavour? |
| 08:08.51 | Bogaurd | ah okay |
| 08:08.52 | streuner | dpkg, no xebian is <reply> http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists |
| 08:08.53 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 08:08.55 | Bogaurd | it's in contrib, yes |
| 08:09.08 | Bogaurd | can you give me an example line to add to srouces.list? |
| 08:09.08 | Kovecses | java-package is a great tool |
| 08:09.31 | Arpman | streuner: man! you have been a gret help - thanks - Ill see what the mailinf list will get me into... |
| 08:09.44 | streuner | Arpman: can you mail me the config? |
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| 08:09.49 | ecdemo | so if you want to call the c++ func Window.openNew() then you have to write Window eh openNew()?? |
| 08:10.16 | dfd | !hold |
| 08:10.16 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 08:10.27 | streuner | Arpman: are you sure the CDROM is working and there is a CD already in? |
| 08:10.32 | Arpman | streuner: sure...want to go PM? |
| 08:10.35 | dfd | cool |
| 08:10.45 | streuner | Arpman: streuner@weda.mine.nu |
| 08:11.19 | dark_light | how can i convert ogg to mp3? |
| 08:11.19 | ecdemo | Bogaurd: show your normal mirror line from your sources.list (you should see stable main at the end) |
| 08:11.30 | streuner | Arpman: what happens if you using the INSTALL-CD and try to mount it? |
| 08:11.38 | Bogaurd | deb ftp://ftp.filearena.net/pub/debian/ stable main |
| 08:11.39 | Arpman | streuner: thiking the hardware may not be connected or has failed... |
| 08:11.56 | ecdemo | Bogaurd: two choices: one, add this line: |
| 08:12.02 | Arpman | streuner: i ge the same msg for any cd - have not tried dvd though |
| 08:12.07 | ecdemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.14 | cahoot | dark_light: the quality loss is no object? |
| 08:12.28 | ecdemo | or, just add contrib to the end of the existing line |
| 08:12.32 | dark_light | cahoot, if it's insignificant, no |
| 08:12.32 | Bogaurd | ah nice |
| 08:12.34 | Bogaurd | thanks :) |
| 08:12.36 | ecdemo | so it looks like... |
| 08:12.45 | ecdemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.01 | Langly | hey finn |
| 08:13.06 | dfd | !xgl |
| 08:13.06 | dpkg | methinks xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
| 08:13.14 | finn | hey Langly :) |
| 08:13.16 | Arpman | streuner: forgive my ignorance, but which config do you want to see? |
| 08:13.30 | ecdemo | how to -discover- an apt source is beyond the scope of this explanation :P |
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| 08:13.31 | dfd | !xorg 7.0 |
| 08:13.37 | dfd | eheh |
| 08:13.55 | streuner | Arpman: the one in /boot (KERNEL-config) |
| 08:13.58 | cahoot | dark_light: do a test: oggdec file -> wav, then run lame on the wav |
| 08:14.01 | ecdemo | eh? |
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| 08:14.06 | ecdemo | xorg, ey? |
| 08:14.20 | streuner | there is a little tool to convert ogg to mp3 |
| 08:14.26 | dark_light | cahoot, aptitude install oggdec? |
| 08:14.43 | dark_light | trying vorbis-tools |
| 08:14.46 | streuner | use pdo to find out, Lars Wizenius is the maint |
| 08:14.54 | cahoot | streuner: I suspect the klittle does does just the above |
| 08:14.58 | ecdemo | how do I burn an audio cd given .wav files in a dir? |
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| 08:15.14 | streuner | cahoot: according to the man-page it does |
| 08:15.20 | Arpman | Streuner: PM please - to much activity in the main window for me |
| 08:15.26 | streuner | convert ogg<>mp3 |
| 08:15.33 | cahoot | streuner: dog I suspect the little tool does just the above |
| 08:15.54 | streuner | hm |
| 08:15.56 | Kovecses | i heard ogg is better |
| 08:16.06 | ecdemo | ogg is only a container |
| 08:16.21 | ecdemo | vorbis is audio file |
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| 08:17.20 | ecdemo | theora is video |
| 08:17.29 | cahoot | ecdemo: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc *.wav -pad (is how I do) |
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| 08:18.52 | Arpman | struener: dont have a kernel config ... have system map and config...etc |
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| 08:19.18 | streuner | Arpman: /j #xebian |
| 08:19.47 | Kovecses | xebian? |
| 08:19.58 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I just checked my logged in users, and I found that there's 2 instances logged in as myself. But I'm only logged in at one place. Is there any more information I can find out about the second instance of me logged on? |
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| 08:20.28 | Kovecses | hey ArtVandalae you play TCE? |
| 08:20.36 | ArtVandalae | TCE? |
| 08:20.43 | Kovecses | ot et? |
| 08:20.54 | Kovecses | aa |
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| 08:21.22 | alfatau | hello, i want to make a script to send notifies about upgradable packages on my debian server. Isn't there an apt utility which returns which are the upgradable packages at the moment? |
| 08:21.49 | evaded | TV card (tvtime) - I fail to get any channel, no signal. But im not sure that my Hercule Smart TV are reconised. I have no experience with TV cards. Is there also somethings others than 'tvtime'? |
| 08:22.36 | zood_ | stoner and others thanks for the help, guess I was too stoned myself but figured it finally |
| 08:22.48 | dark_light | cahoot, it works=) |
| 08:22.51 | ecdemo | cahoot: thanks :) |
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| 08:23.02 | dark_light | cahoot, ty a lot |
| 08:23.32 | cahoot | ecdemo: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -audio -pad *.wav (might be more correct) |
| 08:23.51 | ecdemo | seems to have burnt... |
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| 08:23.55 | ecdemo | lessee if it plays |
| 08:24.25 | cahoot | dark_light: lets' hope you like the sound of it too |
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| 08:24.33 | ecdemo | works |
| 08:24.51 | brest | hi there |
| 08:24.58 | brest | got a question |
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| 08:25.26 | Kovecses | ok |
| 08:25.31 | Kovecses | shoot |
| 08:25.37 | brest | i put the ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main in my sources.list |
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| 08:25.47 | brest | but i need to import a gpg key or so |
| 08:25.48 | niklaus | on my terminal sometimes i can see weird characters like âno-abicallsâ |
| 08:25.58 | niklaus | how do i make everything normal in plain english |
| 08:26.01 | brest | how am i doin that? |
| 08:26.02 | Kovecses | brest: you don NEED to |
| 08:26.05 | cahoot | niklaus: utf-8? |
| 08:26.17 | niklaus | cahoot, i have no idea , how do i check that |
| 08:26.27 | brest | Kovecses, i don't need to? |
| 08:26.27 | Kovecses | brest: on the marillat page it tells you how to import |
| 08:26.41 | brest | oh ty Kovecses :) |
| 08:26.41 | Kovecses | brest: no you can ignore that if you want |
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| 08:26.50 | brest | i see :) |
| 08:27.05 | cahoot | niklaus: locale (in the term) |
| 08:27.14 | brest | i just installes debian etch beta2 with xfce4 and it works well :) |
| 08:27.25 | brest | how do i get sound working? |
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| 08:27.30 | niklaus | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 08:27.31 | niklaus | LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en |
| 08:27.31 | niklaus | LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 08:27.31 | niklaus | LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 08:27.31 | niklaus | LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 08:27.31 | niklaus | LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 08:27.43 | d4t2ilL4 | can you guys show me a good website that teaches me how to write a shellscript to start a service at bootup ? |
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| 08:27.55 | ArtVandalae | brest, what sound card do you have? |
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| 08:28.29 | niklaus | sorry i pasted it in #paste |
| 08:28.31 | niklaus | cahoot, how to change the locale |
| 08:28.42 | Gumby | does anyone know of a good gui partition manager for debian? |
| 08:28.44 | brest | ArtVandalae, its built in intel snd, but i'm not able to tell you a detailled description, it's onbard |
| 08:28.55 | kmap | niklaus: Try dpkg-reconfigure locales as root |
| 08:28.57 | cahoot | niklaus: for good? dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:29.01 | ArtVandalae | Gumby, gParted? QtParted? |
| 08:29.16 | ecdemo | I want the partitioner used in debian-installer |
| 08:29.25 | Gumby | ArtVandalae: ah yes. thx. I dont use them much so I always forget about those |
| 08:29.32 | cahoot | niklaus: temporarily: I'd try export LC_ALL=en_US |
| 08:29.33 | niklaus | cahoot, what should i select , i want just english |
| 08:29.45 | niklaus | there is a long list |
| 08:29.45 | Kovecses | brest: if its snd_hda_intel like i have there are a couple ways |
| 08:29.46 | kmap | niklaus: select None |
| 08:30.01 | liable | ecdemo: its not really available outside the installer, try cfdisk. |
| 08:30.22 | ecdemo | cfdisk is ok |
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| 08:30.34 | brest | Kovecses, i guess udev got the type of my sound card, i guess i just need to configure it |
| 08:30.50 | ecdemo | but the thing in the installer when adjusted to read from fstab, would be a nice service |
| 08:30.58 | Kovecses | brest: udev? how do you know? |
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| 08:31.21 | niklaus | cahoot, kmap: it worked thanks |
| 08:31.21 | alfatau | hello, i want to make a script to send notifies about upgradable packages on my debian server. Isn't there an apt utility which returns which are the upgradable packages at the moment? |
| 08:31.29 | aidan | I've apt-get intalled spamassasin amavis, and have a working dovecot/postfix installation, what else do I need to do to get spamassasin running? Is there a good way to check it is working? |
| 08:31.35 | liable | Gumby: you mean maker, or modifier? |
| 08:31.44 | brest | Kovecses, maybe i'm wrong but i thought "udev" is the one configuring hardware? |
| 08:31.56 | Gumby | liable: maker. I think qtparted will do nicely |
| 08:31.59 | niklaus | one more question , when i do a kernel config , i do a make oldconfig , then i have to manaully press enter for , can it be automated |
| 08:32.33 | Kovecses | brest: in a way... i guess.... but why do you think it detected your sound card? |
| 08:32.38 | liable | Gumby: might as well get something like knoppix or sysrescuecd, seeing as they have to be umounted, and iirc sarge doesnt have it anyway. |
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| 08:33.05 | Gumby | liable: unstable does :) |
| 08:33.15 | ecdemo | niklaus: if you have a .config for an older kernel (NOT too much older!!) then you can put that .config in there and run make oldconfig |
| 08:33.19 | liable | Gumby: if you just want to make new partitions, cfdisk is good for the job |
| 08:33.30 | niklaus | ecdemo, thats the problem i don't have it |
| 08:33.32 | ecdemo | it will remenber your answers to most questions |
| 08:33.35 | Gumby | liable: but its not gui :) I asked for gui |
| 08:33.40 | ecdemo | debian package? |
| 08:33.41 | niklaus | ecdemo, when i do a touch .config , it really doesn't work |
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| 08:33.47 | liable | Gumby: its pretty damn close. |
| 08:33.51 | brest | Kovecses, this comes from dmesg->Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 1.01, 12:55:41 Mar 6 2006 |
| 08:34.07 | Gumby | liable: yes, its good. I use it a lot. But I was looking for gui for a non command line partitioner |
| 08:34.20 | Kovecses | brest: ok ... cool... but you still might need to take steps to get sound |
| 08:34.27 | ecdemo | niklaus: /proc/config.gz exist? |
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| 08:34.38 | liable | Gumby: well, you know about qtparted, whay ask. of course theres gparted as well.. |
| 08:34.40 | niklaus | ecdemo, no |
| 08:34.43 | brest | Kovecses, right but i don't know which |
| 08:34.43 | lyy | anyone know of a way to make a webpage pages into a pdf? |
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| 08:34.56 | ecdemo | niklaus: ok, look in /boot |
| 08:34.58 | cafuego_ | lyy: print to ps; ps2pdf |
| 08:35.04 | niklaus | ecdemo, i am running 2.4 |
| 08:35.07 | Kovecses | brest: well ... install alsa-utils and run alsaconf .. is a try |
| 08:35.08 | ecdemo | this kernel from a debian kernel image package? |
| 08:35.11 | lyy | cafuego_, cool |
| 08:35.15 | ecdemo | and you want to go to what version? |
| 08:35.15 | Gumby | liable: I know about it because that was someones answer. I'm already thanked that person in the channel and was using it but you carried on |
| 08:35.25 | cafuego_ | lyy: No, I lie! Try 'htmldoc' to preserve links :-) |
| 08:35.26 | brest | Kovecses, i'm going to and try |
| 08:35.26 | niklaus | ecdemo, 2.6.16 |
| 08:35.30 | ecdemo | ugh |
| 08:35.40 | ecdemo | that config very likely won' |
| 08:35.43 | ecdemo | t work |
| 08:35.53 | lyy | cafuego_, cool :D |
| 08:36.01 | niklaus | ecdemo, i know i want to just generate the symlinks etc |
| 08:36.05 | ecdemo | but there is a 2.6.15 image package |
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| 08:36.14 | lyy | cafuego_, how about pics to pdf? like a huge folder of them |
| 08:36.36 | ecdemo | in which all drivers possible are selected as modules |
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| 08:36.41 | cafuego_ | lyy: You can do them via postscript (or htmldoc) |
| 08:36.49 | lyy | sweet :D |
| 08:36.59 | ecdemo | not totally sure what you're after tho |
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| 08:38.39 | d4t2ilL4 | uh -oh, i chgrp the /bin/su to [group] and chmod 750, now when i do su, it wouldnt accept the su password anymore, do u know what happened? |
| 08:38.40 | Usiu | Hi |
| 08:38.51 | Usiu | How to check if my Pentium4 has HyperThreading ? |
| 08:39.14 | Kovecses | Usiu: what does uname -r sya |
| 08:39.17 | Kovecses | say |
| 08:39.18 | liable | Usiu: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:39.21 | ecdemo | see if there's any ritalin residue |
| 08:39.31 | brest | Kovecses, thanks much! it works :) |
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| 08:39.42 | Kovecses | brest: no prob |
| 08:39.51 | Usiu | liable, ? |
| 08:39.53 | brest | that was really easy :) |
| 08:40.05 | Kovecses | brest: debain is the best |
| 08:40.05 | Usiu | liable, Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz |
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| 08:40.50 | Usiu | liable, flags ? |
| 08:40.53 | brest | Kovecses, i guess so -> i wanna learn all of it :) |
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| 08:40.56 | Usiu | liable, where to look for that ? |
| 08:41.03 | Usiu | Kovecses, ? |
| 08:41.17 | Usiu | Kovecses, it says 2.6.15 |
| 08:41.24 | Kovecses | brest: you will .... ive been using debian for about 3 years |
| 08:41.29 | Usiu | Kovecses, but what is has to my cpu ? |
| 08:41.42 | Kovecses | Usiu: did you compile your won kernel |
| 08:41.47 | Usiu | Kovecses, sure |
| 08:41.48 | Kovecses | own |
| 08:41.48 | liable | Usiu: yes, but how many cpu's? if you dont have a smp kernel, its not hyperthreading. |
| 08:41.57 | Kovecses | Usiu: then you should know |
| 08:42.00 | brest | Kovesces, i'm really new to this but i have the will to learn |
| 08:42.20 | Kovecses | brest: ive had a great time learning |
| 08:42.38 | Usiu | liable, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HZ4dnk80.html |
| 08:42.47 | Usiu | liable, what "ht" flag mean in flags ? |
| 08:42.48 | brest | Kovecses, so you are a debian veteran now :) |
| 08:42.56 | Kovecses | Usiu: you should have checked the little hyperthreading box in menuconfig |
| 08:43.03 | Kovecses | brest: nope |
| 08:43.10 | Usiu | Kovecses, I am trying to check if my cpu support it |
| 08:43.15 | Kovecses | brest: almost though :) |
| 08:43.35 | Usiu | Kovecses, I dont have it check because it slows up when You dont have smp |
| 08:43.36 | Kovecses | Usiu: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:43.43 | Usiu | Kovecses, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HZ4dnk80.html |
| 08:43.44 | Gumby | Usiu: install an smp kernel and then reboot into it. if you have an smp enabled cpu it will show two cpu's in cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 08:43.56 | liable | Usiu: read carefully, if you dont have an smp kernel, it wont do that hyperthreadthingo.. |
| 08:43.57 | brest | Kovecses, so let's start getting myself one, too :) |
| 08:44.00 | Kovecses | Usiu: nope thats not |
| 08:44.12 | Usiu | Kovecses, thats how it states in help i menuconfig |
| 08:44.19 | Usiu | it will slow down |
| 08:44.32 | lyy | anyone here use postgres? |
| 08:44.37 | Gumby | if you dont install an smp enabled kernel it wont show up at all in cpuinfo whether you have an HT enabled cpu or not |
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| 08:45.00 | lyy | anyone here use postgres? what's the learning curve with it you think? |
| 08:45.01 | Gumby | Usiu: install an smp kernel and test it, if its true that you dont have one, just uninstall the kernel. simple as that |
| 08:46.39 | cahoot | Kovecses: that's too bad considering the feeling of omniscience |
| 08:47.58 | Kovecses | does it matter where in /etc/modules i put snd_pcm_oss .. or should i stick it at the end |
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| 08:48.22 | karsten | I've just lost my mouse pointer in X (x.org), Debian testing/unstable. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:48.47 | kooky | did you search in the corner? |
| 08:48.55 | karsten | kooky: Yep. |
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| 08:49.02 | kooky | usb? |
| 08:49.05 | karsten | kooky: Running two seperate displays. It's in the other. |
| 08:49.14 | karsten | Thinkpad pointing stick. |
| 08:49.23 | Kovecses | i love those |
| 08:49.36 | karsten | Yeah. Working w/ two other laptops, this is the best. |
| 08:49.40 | kooky | <- A31p |
| 08:49.51 | kooky | 4 years and still working ;) |
| 08:49.51 | karsten | T21. |
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| 08:50.10 | karsten | Just picked this up used, loving it so far. |
| 08:50.20 | karsten | Though the Apple Powerbook Pro is *very* shiny. |
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| 08:50.38 | karsten | liable: Prolly doesn't seem as if it would be as usable. Dunno. |
| 08:50.41 | Kovecses | does it matter where in /etc/modules i put snd_pcm_oss .. or should i stick it at the end |
| 08:50.57 | karsten | Actually, I should probably kill this session anyway. Screened in here anyhow. |
| 08:51.22 | liable | karsten: i have never even used my touchpad *ever* its prolly the one thing that will keep me using stinkpads. |
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| 08:52.05 | Agentj87 | hi |
| 08:52.06 | cahoot | Kovecses: run alsaconf |
| 08:52.19 | Kovecses | huh? |
| 08:52.30 | Agentj87 | wanted to kno how i make a torrent on my server |
| 08:52.40 | Agentj87 | have make torrent installed etc |
| 08:52.48 | Kovecses | cahoot: no i need that module loaded |
| 08:52.53 | cahoot | Kovecses: it should create the relevant /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 08:53.01 | Kovecses | cahoot: nope |
| 08:53.38 | Agentj87 | ? |
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| 08:53.52 | liable | Agentj87: try ##linux |
| 08:54.02 | cahoot | Kovecses: no 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:54.08 | Agentj87 | umm |
| 08:54.14 | Agentj87 | ##linux? |
| 08:54.17 | Agentj87 | does what |
| 08:54.17 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 08:54.23 | liable | the channel? |
| 08:54.27 | Kovecses | LOL |
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| 08:55.06 | Agentj87 | cant talk in channel |
| 08:55.08 | Agentj87 | so im here |
| 08:55.10 | Kovecses | cahoot: yes its 2.6.15 ... |
| 08:55.12 | Agentj87 | plz help |
| 08:55.48 | Kovecses | wtf |
| 08:56.01 | karsten | liable: Heh. The Powerbook's got a trackpad and *one* mouse button. |
| 08:56.09 | cahoot | Kovecses: and snd-pcm-oss isn't loaded by alsa-base - might be because my system is etch then |
| 08:56.11 | karsten | !shoot Steve Jobs for being a mouse wanker. |
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| 08:56.34 | liable | karsten: hehe, yeah i always wondered how people get along with them. |
| 08:56.37 | Kovecses | dpkg sounds kinda gay |
| 08:56.46 | liable | hah |
| 08:56.46 | pr0n | jemand deutsch hier? |
| 08:56.55 | karsten | pr0n: Geh noch #debian-de bitte. |
| 08:57.03 | pr0n | ok |
| 08:57.07 | brest | join #debian-de |
| 08:57.14 | Kovecses | cahoot: nope..... why would it? .... i put it in /etc/modules |
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| 08:57.39 | liable | isnt it .de?? |
| 08:57.47 | cahoot | Kovecses: it did for me - by YMMV |
| 08:57.54 | liable | yep |
| 08:57.56 | karsten | liable: Good question... |
| 08:58.03 | Kovecses | cahoot: how did you know i was etch? |
| 08:58.55 | cahoot | Kovecses: I pointed out my system was etch - and that alsaconf enabled oss-emulation here |
| 08:59.09 | alfatau | hello, excuse me: when i run apt-get update, where info about new packages are stored on the hard drive? |
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| 08:59.32 | Kovecses | cahoot: well ... not here.... and its odd that it would on your end load that mod |
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| 08:59.42 | liable | alfatau: /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 08:59.55 | alfatau | liable: thanks |
| 09:00.09 | liable | yw |
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| 09:03.02 | Kovecses | cahoot: and im not talking oss-emulation... im talking that specific module |
| 09:03.22 | cahoot | Kovecses: snd-pcm-oss *is* alsas oss-emulation |
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| 09:03.47 | Agentj87 | wanted to kno how i make a torrent on my server |
| 09:03.49 | Agentj87 | ? |
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| 09:04.14 | liable | Agentj87: doesnt google have any info on this subject? |
| 09:04.18 | ircdevil | the documentation on backports.org is down. how do i install fuse ? |
| 09:04.24 | cahoot | Kovecses: huh - you question that? then you need reading up on alsa |
| 09:04.29 | karsten | Agentj87: Run a torrent client. Eg: ktorrent. File -> New. |
| 09:04.39 | karsten | Agentj87: I think that's pretty much it. |
| 09:04.45 | Kovecses | cahoot: just nevermind |
| 09:04.45 | Agentj87 | ok |
| 09:04.49 | ircdevil | i have not grown accustomed to this pinning thing |
| 09:04.50 | karsten | Agentj87: ... though there's prolly some complex commandline stuff if you want. |
| 09:05.04 | robin__ | now ... about sound on this Insprion laptop ;) ESS Technology ES1983S Maestro-3i PCI Audio Accelerator according to lspci .. and I have Maestro3 loaded as a module .. but not heard anything out of it yet ... |
| 09:05.18 | cahoot | Kovecses: shrug |
| 09:05.20 | Kovecses | cahoot: that is a kernel module |
| 09:05.35 | karsten | robin__: Have you adjusted your mixer levels yet? They're frequently zeroed. Use, eg: aumix. |
| 09:05.47 | ircdevil | how do i install an upgraded package via backports ? |
| 09:05.49 | karsten | robin__: ... and confirm that you don't have HW muting applied as well. |
| 09:06.05 | Kovecses | ircdevil: add the backports repo |
| 09:06.08 | liable | ircdevil: theres instructions on backports.org |
| 09:06.08 | robin__ | well, that was the second thing .. when I adjust the gnome slider .. ot always goes straight back down to zero when I let go |
| 09:06.13 | cahoot | Kovecses: yes a alsa module (in kernel nowadays) to serve the purpose of oss emulation |
| 09:06.20 | Kovecses | lol |
| 09:06.21 | ircdevil | liable: <ircdevil> the documentation on backports.org is down. how do i install fuse ? |
| 09:06.28 | Agentj87 | kartsen: lke this, maketorrent file new file? |
| 09:06.31 | liable | ircdevil: oh |
| 09:06.36 | karsten | Agentj87: NFC. RTFM. |
| 09:06.41 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 09:06.45 | Agentj87 | whats nfc |
| 09:06.46 | Eulex | !nfc |
| 09:06.46 | dpkg | it has been said that nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 09:06.48 | Agentj87 | rtfm |
| 09:06.49 | Eulex | !rtfm |
| 09:06.49 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] or Read Their Fucking Minds. |
| 09:06.58 | Agentj87 | what manual |
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| 09:07.07 | Eulex | Agentj87, man foo |
| 09:07.12 | karsten | !tell Agentj87 about man |
| 09:07.17 | Agentj87 | i know man |
| 09:07.22 | Agentj87 | whats command for torrent man |
| 09:07.27 | Agentj87 | thats what i want |
| 09:07.35 | karsten | Agentj87: 'maketorrent' if that's the command you're using. |
| 09:07.36 | ircdevil | liable: i edited /etc/apt/preferences and pasted the "package *" lines. apt-get update && upgrade. didnt do what i expected. |
| 09:07.42 | liable | whatever bloody torrent app you have installed |
| 09:07.53 | Kovecses | cahoot: ok ... you are somewhat correct. But anyhow. Im off to bed .. have a good one |
| 09:08.01 | Agentj87 | says not found |
| 09:08.11 | ircdevil | Kovecses: backports doesnt work with repositories anymore - uses some pinning thing. |
| 09:08.14 | cahoot | Kovecses: somewhat corretc? come on admit it |
| 09:08.19 | liable | ircdevil: paste your preferences file |
| 09:08.25 | robin__ | karsten: any clues why the volume slider keeps resetting to zero when I release it? |
| 09:08.34 | Eulex | Agentj87, then don't guess commands |
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| 09:08.44 | karsten | robin__: Excessive gravity? |
| 09:08.58 | ircdevil | liable: http://pastebin.com/635481 |
| 09:08.59 | Kovecses | cahoot: no ... you are absolutely lost... so.. i wanted to give you some credit but.. |
| 09:09.10 | robin__ | karsten, right, so if I was to drop it from a high building, it might work? |
| 09:09.11 | cahoot | Kovecses: haha |
| 09:09.18 | karsten | Agentj87: 'apropos torrent; apt-cache search bittorrent'. I'm in the dark on creating torrents. I know how to search for stuff. |
| 09:09.25 | karsten | robin__: For a few seconds. |
| 09:09.25 | Kovecses | cahoot: read up on it if you want |
| 09:09.41 | robin__ | karsten, worth a try .. should I jump with it ? |
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| 09:10.05 | liable | ircdevil: and what did upgrade do that you didnt like? |
| 09:10.17 | karsten | robin__: Y'know there was that song from "Fast Times" about that... |
| 09:10.27 | karsten | robin__: "You can jump off the roof, pretend you can fly..." |
| 09:10.35 | robin__ | heh |
| 09:10.48 | ircdevil | liable: fuse-source fuse-utils libfuse-dev libfuse2 are version 2.2.1 still - not 2.5.2 as expected. |
| 09:11.04 | karsten | robin__: Joe Walsh, "Life's been good". |
| 09:11.09 | argent | how do i know the size of a file on the internet without downloading it? |
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| 09:11.17 | robin__ | karsten, right. good track |
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| 09:11.20 | argent | i need it for a script |
| 09:11.31 | robin__ | karsten, if the sound worked ... I could listen to it .. |
| 09:11.42 | Kovecses | cahoot: im off to bed.. read up on the subject.. i will be in here tomarrow. tell me what you have found out about linux kernels. Have aood night |
| 09:11.50 | robin__ | karsten, ok, installed aumix ... just "error opening mixer" ... |
| 09:12.14 | cahoot | Kovecses: Symbol: SND_PCM_OSS [=m] ? Prompt: OSS PCM (digital audio) API |
| 09:12.24 | karsten | Agentj87: /wh |
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| 09:12.41 | ircdevil | liable: is it perhaps because more than just the documentation of backports.org is down? |
| 09:12.41 | Agentj87 | yes karsten |
| 09:12.44 | robin__ | ahh, I have no /dev/mixer .... |
| 09:12.47 | karsten | Agentj87: You might find this useful: http://www.bittorrent.com/faq.myt |
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| 09:13.16 | Agentj87 | i know how to make a torrent |
| 09:13.19 | karsten | robin__: Seems like there's a problem with it though. Check your dmesg / /var/log/messages /var/log/kern.log for stuff. |
| 09:13.23 | ircdevil | can anyone install stuff from backports.org? (is it alive?) |
| 09:13.25 | karsten | Agentj87: Then what are you asking? |
| 09:13.25 | Agentj87 | i just need to know linux command line for it |
| 09:13.26 | robin__ | now .. why do I have no /dev/mixer huh? |
| 09:13.27 | robin__ | ok |
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| 09:13.42 | liable | ircdevil: can you ftp to the package server? |
| 09:13.48 | Agentj87 | whats the command line for linux to make it |
| 09:13.50 | karsten | Agentj87: Then I'd suggest you Google because all anyone here can do is research your problem for you. |
| 09:13.55 | karsten | robin__: Good question. |
| 09:14.17 | Agentj87 | tried nuttin found |
| 09:14.40 | ircdevil | liable: it is a http repository ... |
| 09:15.37 | ircdevil | liable: seem ok, though |
| 09:15.56 | liable | ircdevil: yeah, but not much there. |
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| 09:16.13 | ircdevil | liable: its empty, yes? |
| 09:16.22 | robin__ | dmesg has maestro3: enabled hack for 'Dell Inspiron 8000' |
| 09:16.24 | ircdevil | liable: that kindof explains it ... |
| 09:16.29 | liable | seven packages |
| 09:16.30 | robin__ | so .. it guessed the right laptop |
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| 09:16.47 | cahoot | robin__: using alsa? |
| 09:16.49 | robin__ | theres a version message, but thats all after that |
| 09:16.58 | ircdevil | liable: we should mention this in topic and alert whomever maintains backports. |
| 09:17.27 | robin__ | cahoot, no, its a maestro3 card apparently |
| 09:17.30 | AoA | Is there aniway to uninstall .deb package without dependeces ? I cant find that |
| 09:17.59 | liable | ircdevil: it may only be temporary, but you need to be op to alter topic. |
| 09:18.19 | liable | ircdevil: i am sure they are aware of it, but no harm in emailing them |
| 09:18.29 | joeyjones | A Handicap parking sign does not signify that this spot is for handicapped people. It is actually in fact a warning, that the spot belongs to Chuck Norris and that you will be handicapped if you park there. |
| 09:18.47 | liable | ok.. |
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| 09:18.56 | joeyjones | Chuck Norris can speak braille. |
| 09:19.10 | Langly | I thought chuck norris could teleport at will, what does he need with a parking spot |
| 09:19.11 | liable | joeyjones: wrong channel? |
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| 09:19.47 | joeyjones | Little kids enjoy lighting ants on fire with magnifying glasses. Chuck Norris enjoys lighting little kids on fire with ants. Scientists have yet to find out how this feat is achieved. |
| 09:19.52 | ircdevil | liable: mail sent |
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| 09:20.26 | Langly | Chuck Norris can divide by zero. - Chuck Norris is EDO? |
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| 09:20.54 | ircdevil | would some op consider placeing "backports.org is currently out of order" in topic? |
| 09:21.11 | ircdevil | and then to compile source ... |
| 09:21.11 | robin__ | cahoot, what woudl I need alsa for? do I need that as well as aumix and the maestro3 driver? |
| 09:21.23 | joeyjones | The only thing we have to fear is fear itself... The only thing fear has to fear is Chuck Norris. |
| 09:21.36 | cahoot | robin__: never mind |
| 09:21.38 | joeyjones | When Chuck Norris gives you the finger, he's telling you how many seconds you have left to live. |
| 09:22.24 | joeyjones | Chuck Norris does not teabag the ladies. He potato-sacks them. |
| 09:22.35 | liable | joeyjones: thanks, but can you stop it now?? |
| 09:22.40 | joeyjones | 1 more |
| 09:22.42 | joeyjones | Most men are okay with their wives fantasizing about Chuck Norris during sex, because they are doing the same thing. |
| 09:22.51 | robin__ | !ops joeyjones being annoyinh |
| 09:22.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: joeyjones being annoyinh |
| 09:22.56 | Langly | Chuck Norris can slam revolving doors. |
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| 09:23.11 | Langly | Chuck Norris is allowed to talk about Fight Club. |
| 09:24.09 | Langly | The most effective form of suicide known to man is to type "Chuck Norris" into Google and hit "I'm Feeling Lucky!". |
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| 09:24.39 | dondelelcaro | chuck norris is wildly OT here. Take it elsewhere. |
| 09:24.59 | Langly | They need to make a Linux Distro called Chuck Norris |
| 09:25.02 | joeyjones | A blind man once stepped on Chuck Norris' shoe. Chuck replied, "Don't you know who I am? I'm Chuck Norris!" The mere mention of his name cured this man blindness. Sadly the first, last, and only thing this man ever saw, was a fatal roundhouse delivered by Chuck Norris. |
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| 09:26.04 | AoA | Is there aniway to uninstall .deb package without satisfy package dependeces (ignoring)? |
| 09:26.52 | dondelelcaro | AoA: no. |
| 09:27.00 | ricochet | why do I always get this error message when starting vi "E575: viminfo: Illegal starting char in line: F86Config-4^@" |
| 09:27.17 | dondelelcaro | well, that's not quite true, but you don't want to override them. You want to fix the problems. |
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| 09:27.38 | dondelelcaro | ricochet: your ~/.viminfo has an error in it. |
| 09:27.44 | karsten | ricochet: Sounds like it's trying to parse your XF86 file? |
| 09:28.13 | karsten | ricochet: You might want to check that or your .vimrc, or run 'strace' on vi and look for likely error messages. |
| 09:28.32 | robin__ | so ... i dont see any errors as such, am I missing something else I need to have a /dev/mixer ? |
| 09:28.56 | robin__ | do I need alsa or some equivalent? |
| 09:29.01 | dondelelcaro | robin__: have you loaded the oss compatibility module? snd_oss or whatever? |
| 09:29.27 | ricochet | dondelelcaro: that was it. thanks. |
| 09:29.39 | dondelelcaro | ricochet: np |
| 09:29.40 | robin__ | dondelelcaro, lsmod | grep oss implies I dont ... |
| 09:29.59 | dondelelcaro | robin__: well, load it using modprobe, and continue on. |
| 09:30.02 | cahoot | robin__: only applies if you use alsa |
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| 09:30.37 | dondelelcaro | if you were using oss, you'd already have it... |
| 09:31.39 | robin__ | hmmm ... obviously missed some step in the install ... no module snd_oss ... presumably there was some choice over the way sound support was handled that I screwed up right? |
| 09:32.03 | cahoot | robin__: it's snd-pcm-oss |
| 09:32.20 | dondelelcaro | or mixer-oss... |
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| 09:32.23 | robin__ | k |
| 09:33.03 | robin__ | so, how do I set that to modprobe itself at boot time? |
| 09:33.05 | cahoot | robin__: *if* you choose to use alsa - then run alsaconf it will fix you sound |
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| 09:33.54 | robin__ | to be honest .. im not sure what alsa is .. something between the sound card driver and the audio mixer? |
| 09:34.09 | robin__ | an alternative to oss? |
| 09:34.12 | dondelelcaro | robin__: it's the current framework for soundcard drivers. |
| 09:34.22 | cahoot | robin__: think of it as 'sound device driver' |
| 09:34.47 | robin__ | right ... so snd-pcm-oss OR alsa, but not both |
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| 09:35.26 | cahoot | robin__: snd-pcm-oss is alsas oss-emulation for apps that are not alsa-aware |
| 09:36.00 | robin__ | errr .righty so its a compatability layer on top of alsa? |
| 09:36.06 | Marverick | robin__ Go to path of your modules. |
| 09:36.10 | cahoot | robin__: right |
| 09:36.20 | robin__ | so I need alsa as well right? |
| 09:36.23 | cahoot | robin__: right |
| 09:36.24 | Marverick | robin__ And try on per on. |
| 09:36.26 | dondelelcaro | robin__: the oss emulation is, but oss itself is just the older framewrok. |
| 09:36.34 | Marverick | One per one sorry. |
| 09:37.12 | robin__ | errr ... well, aumix now opens, but the gnome volume control still drops back to zero when released :( |
| 09:37.53 | cahoot | robin__: did you run alsaconf? then use alsamixer instead of aumix |
| 09:37.58 | alfatau | hello, i'm trying to get the names of the upgradeable packages and upgrade priority for using them in a script. can you help me? i tried grep-dctrl but i'm unable to get info about only upgradeable packages. |
| 09:37.58 | Marverick | The mixer's module name on my machine is snd-mtpav. |
| 09:38.11 | Marverick | robin__ Try any modules as snd-* |
| 09:38.39 | robin__ | cahoot, im still trying to work out if I need alsa or if I already have something else installed .. its still not clear to me |
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| 09:38.46 | cahoot | robin__: ok |
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| 09:39.46 | robin__ | buggrit ... install and pray :) |
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| 09:40.03 | andrewtaylor | i've got an NFS mount that I can access no problem with my firewall down, but, I get an rpc error when it's up. I'm using firehol for the iptable generation and i have nfs and portmapp accept for client - any suggestions? |
| 09:40.07 | karsten | robin__: That's my recommendation. OSS is the main alternative. |
| 09:40.12 | brest | hi which device in dev represents the sound card in debian? |
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| 09:40.38 | dondelelcaro | brest: depends |
| 09:40.39 | ircdevil | /dev/dsp |
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| 09:41.15 | brest | ircdevil, i don't have dsp in /dev |
| 09:41.16 | karsten | brest: Several. Usually /dev/dsp, /dev/audio, and others. find /dev -group audio is a good way to scan. |
| 09:41.32 | brest | i'll try |
| 09:41.38 | cahoot | brest: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p if alsa |
| 09:41.52 | karsten | brest: ... FYI, that turns up 180 files here ;-) |
| 09:42.43 | brest | i've configured with alsa so i'll try cahoot suggestion |
| 09:43.01 | robin__ | apt-get install alsa-base, right? |
| 09:43.05 | cahoot | brest: you can't access it directly |
| 09:43.20 | karsten | robin__: A good start. |
| 09:43.30 | cahoot | brest: use aplay |
| 09:43.48 | brest | cahoot, i know but vmware needs the path to my soundcard |
| 09:44.04 | robin__ | karsten, came with alsa-utils, but no alsaconf |
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| 09:44.31 | cahoot | brest: I doubt vmware uses alsa - think you'll need oss-emulation ie snd-pcm-oss |
| 09:44.32 | karsten | robin__: I've got alsa-base, alsa-utils here. |
| 09:44.35 | andrewtaylor | is there anyway I can increase logging on firehol, so i can see what the firewall is stopping - i'm so close to fixing this problem, i just need a little more guidance |
| 09:44.53 | cahoot | brest: which will give you /dev/dsp |
| 09:45.16 | brest | ahhhh i see cahoot :) |
| 09:45.22 | brest | now i understand |
| 09:45.25 | robin__ | karsten: thnaks .. same here |
| 09:45.33 | brest | why does some use alsaand some oss? |
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| 09:45.45 | cahoot | brest: oss is obsoleted |
| 09:46.12 | cahoot | brest: 'old' apps still use dsp |
| 09:46.13 | karsten | cahoot: obsolescence has been deprecated. |
| 09:46.15 | brest | cahoot, i see, how do i install oss emulation? |
| 09:46.30 | cahoot | brest: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 09:46.36 | robin__ | 'oss is obsolete' |
| 09:46.46 | karsten | brest: 'alsa-oss' IIUC |
| 09:46.53 | karsten | robin__: ^^ as well. |
| 09:47.00 | karsten | $ apt-cache search oss | grep alsa |
| 09:47.10 | karsten | ... is about all I know about that ;-) |
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| 09:47.46 | robin__ | dpkg -L | grep alsa |
| 09:47.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep alsa |
| 09:48.45 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 09:48.58 | brest | thanks guys, that worked for me :) |
| 09:49.05 | robin__ | ahh, NOW I have alsaconf :) |
| 09:49.38 | cahoot | brest: just curious - didn't alsaconf give you the option to enable oss-emulation? |
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| 09:51.09 | brest | cahoot, no i can't remember that option |
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| 09:51.32 | andrewtaylor_ | i've got an NFS mount that I can access no problem with my firewall down, but, I get an rpc error when it's up. I'm using firehol for the iptable generation and i have nfs and portmapp accept for client - any suggestions? |
| 09:52.01 | robin__ | w00t! .. working sound ... thanks guys! |
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| 09:52.14 | Marverick | robin__ |grep alsa |
| 09:52.21 | Marverick | robin__ Try this form. |
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| 09:52.56 | robin__ | Marverick, pipe what into grep alsa? |
| 09:53.58 | Marverick | [05:47] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep alsa |
| 09:54.05 | Marverick | dpkg -L |grep alsa |
| 09:54.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep alsa |
| 09:54.24 | Marverick | robin__ Sorry. |
| 09:54.43 | Marverick | robin__ I was thinking wich you was typing on terminal. |
| 09:55.01 | robin__ | yeah ... dpgkg -l | grep alsa |
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| 09:55.24 | robin__ | at some point in there, alsaconf arrived and after that, it worked |
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| 09:58.29 | andrewtaylor_ | Can anyone help me increase my firehol logging - i want to see everything the firewall has stopped |
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| 10:05.29 | hellangel`linux | hey guys :) i have a problem: http://nopaste.php-q.net/202515 |
| 10:06.46 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 10:07.58 | yassine | i have a strang issue here i have a self compiled kernel and i gets kernel panic with an error telling that fs on boot device 0.0 not known even that i m using the default .config from the kernel src |
| 10:08.05 | yassine | any idea whta could be wrong ? |
| 10:08.21 | kooky | is ide_disc build in? |
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| 10:08.56 | liable | yassine: did you make an initrd? |
| 10:09.01 | yassine | kooky, i did changed nothing from the kernel config |
| 10:09.02 | kooky | or do you use software suspend and set a wrong swap partition |
| 10:09.11 | cahoot | yassine: something is made a module that should be static (unless you use an initrd) |
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| 10:09.14 | yassine | liable, no i did not |
| 10:09.14 | kooky | did ou compile initrd? |
| 10:09.36 | liable | yassine: why are you building a kernel? have you read any docs on this? |
| 10:10.07 | kooky | how did you build the kernel? standart way or debian way (with make-kpkg..) ? |
| 10:10.11 | yassine | liable, im building a kernel since my Hw does not shutdown under othere kernel ( the stable and dev from debian) |
| 10:11.02 | yassine | kooky, i build it using fakeroot make-kpkg |
| 10:11.03 | liable | yassine: but you said that you didnt change anything, how do you expect it to work? |
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| 10:11.41 | kooky | did you use --initrd flag? |
| 10:11.46 | karsten | Any Debian installers known to work on MacIntel Powerbooks? |
| 10:11.49 | yassine | liable, i did that only after changing a lot of options and ends up with a kernel panic so to be sure that its not realted to thing i changed i have built a new kernel with the default config and ends up with the same error |
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| 10:12.00 | andrewtaylor_ | can anyone help with my firehol problem, it's not doing any logging what-so-ever |
| 10:12.03 | yassine | kooky, no i did not |
| 10:12.22 | kooky | how did ou install the kernel then? |
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| 10:12.35 | yassine | kooky, from a cd |
| 10:12.44 | liable | yassine: you need to build your essential drivers in, ie, pci controller, filesystem module etc.. |
| 10:12.52 | kooky | and did ou enter something like make-kpkg --append_to_version -686 kernel_image modules_image? |
| 10:13.16 | yassine | kooky, i appended it juts with my systems name |
| 10:13.28 | yassine | kooky, .laptop |
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| 10:14.28 | kooky | could it be possible that the debian cd makes everthing as module cause of initrd and that is maybe the reason that it can't load the module for the disc? |
| 10:14.52 | yassine | kooky, how can i find that out ? |
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| 10:16.21 | Kaac | kaac says hallo to everzbodz |
| 10:16.25 | kooky | go into you source directory enter "make menuconfig" and check everything ou need for the box if it is set as build-in or module |
| 10:16.38 | jayeola | hey chaps. |
| 10:17.12 | yassine | kooky, the kernel im using now is not self compiled |
| 10:17.13 | geo | how do i disable WEP on ubuntu 5.10? i see hex or ascii - i want to turn it off |
| 10:17.34 | Irrumator | geo: #ubuntu |
| 10:17.50 | andrewtaylor_ | where does the information in 'dmesg' come from, which log file? |
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| 10:18.11 | Irrumator | andrewtaylor_: /dev/kmsg |
| 10:18.16 | andrewtaylor_ | thanks |
| 10:18.44 | jayeola | just built a kernel for a deb box with `make && make modules_install & make install`. i'm told to point my grub sanza to /boot/archfoo |
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| 10:20.08 | jayeola | example of line in stanza /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12 root=/dev/hda1 ro, but that file does not get found... any clues/offers? |
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| 10:20.37 | Ashex | what's the command to reconfigure X? |
| 10:20.51 | Ashex | I need to increase my resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768 |
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| 10:21.03 | liable | !drxx Ashex |
| 10:21.04 | dpkg | Ashex: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:21.07 | kooky | just edit xorg.conf |
| 10:21.15 | liable | no |
| 10:21.23 | jayeola | hrm... |
| 10:21.32 | jayeola | dpkg: gurb |
| 10:21.33 | dpkg | somebody said gurb was a really weird sound, or see grub |
| 10:22.00 | jayeola | dpkg: man grub |
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| 10:22.23 | Ashex | I could edit xorg.conf, but it's generally a better idea to use dpkg |
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| 10:23.19 | kooky | it's always a better idea to edit the file instead of running a graphical interface to do the job |
| 10:23.25 | alfatau | hello, i want only to view the upgradeable packages on my machine by a script. could i run "apt-get dist-upgrade --show-upgraded" command and automatically assume "n" to the continue prompt? |
| 10:23.53 | andrewtaylor_ | Can someone help me for just 1 minute, firehol doesn't seem to be logging, I can't work out why, can someone just tell me how to log absolutley everything to a file for just temporarily so I can work out my nfs problem. |
| 10:24.12 | jayeola | hey chaps... just pasted my /boot/grub/menu.lst file on #flood , can any one see why the top kernel is nt booting? |
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| 10:25.18 | cahoot | jayeola: probalby better to post it in (on?) a pastebin - /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:25.34 | jayeola | k will do |
| 10:25.38 | jayeola | roger that |
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| 10:26.07 | timday | What's a good way for a script to get hold of the string "sarge"/"etch"/"sid" as apprioriate for the system it's running on ? |
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| 10:26.55 | Ashex | woah, you can pastebin from irc? |
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| 10:27.09 | Kaac | pls, how can i join tek2 ... chanel |
| 10:27.21 | Ashex | kaac, /join #channel |
| 10:27.34 | Kaac | i tried it... |
| 10:27.34 | andrewtaylor_ | am I invisible? |
| 10:27.41 | Ashex | on, you're not |
| 10:27.48 | Ashex | Kaac, then the channel isn't there |
| 10:27.53 | Ashex | or you're spelling it wrong |
| 10:27.57 | Ashex | try /list and look for it |
| 10:28.03 | cahoot | andrewtaylor_: firehol has no legible config file? |
| 10:28.26 | andrewtaylor_ | yes, it has, and it's setup as per docs, it's just not logging |
| 10:28.29 | Kaac | it isnt there |
| 10:28.33 | th1 | hi. I am trying to install Etch for amd64, using 20060314 netinst image.. Initial installation works ok, but after rebooting it's like apt can not find any binary packages at all.. I've tried editing sources.list but to no avail, on the other hand Architecture Independend packages seem ok |
| 10:28.38 | th1 | any ideas? |
| 10:28.52 | Ashex | apt-get update? |
| 10:28.57 | th1 | done that |
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| 10:29.05 | Ashex | and you can ping out? |
| 10:29.08 | th1 | yes |
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| 10:29.16 | Inc_Vega | ÎÁÒÏÄ |
| 10:29.21 | Inc_Vega | ÎÕÖÎÁ ÐÏÍÏÝ |
| 10:29.24 | Ashex | try pinging the servers on your source list |
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| 10:29.27 | azeem | Inc_Vega: please write in english |
| 10:29.34 | Inc_Vega | help |
| 10:29.39 | Inc_Vega | so |
| 10:29.45 | liable | th1: you can ping by hostname? |
| 10:29.48 | Inc_Vega | im use debian |
| 10:30.07 | th1 | yes I can ping both of them (ftp.us.debian.org and mirrors.tummy.com) |
| 10:30.23 | Inc_Vega | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.39 | Ashex | oh, this is very sexy |
| 10:30.49 | Ashex | finally got debian working 100% on a laptop |
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| 10:30.53 | Ashex | even have sound |
| 10:31.05 | evaded | Is that normal that i can not have more than one tvchanne? I have do an 'scan channel for signal'. But i have only on channel :-/ |
| 10:31.07 | Ashex | now I just need a wireless mouse :/ |
| 10:31.08 | liable | Ashex: neither way? |
| 10:31.15 | chemaja | Ashex: laptop make/model? |
| 10:31.16 | azeem | Inc_Vega: what is the problem? |
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| 10:31.28 | Inc_Vega | mixer: Can't open device /dev/mixer, mixer volume and mute unavailable. |
| 10:31.29 | Ashex | it's an Itronix Gobook Pro |
| 10:31.29 | azeem | !ru |
| 10:31.29 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 10:31.36 | evaded | So there are 140 channels, but all are the same. |
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| 10:31.59 | Inc_Vega | ok im go #debian-russian |
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| 10:32.05 | cahoot | Inc_Vega: not using alsa then? |
| 10:32.24 | Ashex | I'm taking care of the laptop for 5 months |
| 10:32.26 | Inc_Vega | tvtime |
| 10:32.33 | Ashex | so i backed up the files on it and installed debian :P |
| 10:32.49 | Inc_Vega | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.16 | cahoot | Inc_Vega: you need oss emulation to get /dev/mixer |
| 10:33.41 | chemaja | Ashex: I'd like to buy a laptop to run Etch on, but I can't be bothered rumaging through hardware compat lists / mailing lists, etc. --- i'll stick with my P3 desktop for a little while longer :) |
| 10:33.45 | th1 | no clue what my problem might be? I've added another mirror and same result.. apt-get update works ok |
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| 10:33.58 | Ashex | same here |
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| 10:34.09 | ircdevil | anyone use flickrfs ? |
| 10:34.12 | norskfjord | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.29 | Ashex | don't get a Toshiba Satellite S121, they're not very debian friendly |
| 10:34.50 | andrewtaylor_ | i can see some iptables entries when i run 'dmesg' but i can't find the file which holds these logs - the firehol docs say /var/log/messages but all i have in here is entries for syslog starting and stopping |
| 10:34.52 | Ashex | only problem I have with this one is that I still can't get it to detect the battery |
| 10:34.55 | chemaja | I was looking at the A100 (Centrino Duo) Toshiba |
| 10:35.28 | th1 | best way to figure if a laptop can be made to work well with debian, is to bring a Knoppix DVD to the show room and ask to see it in action ;) |
| 10:35.41 | netman1 | Hi All. Need to learn about tunneling / tun devices. Who's got a good hint? |
| 10:36.01 | chemaja | th1: i suppose... |
| 10:36.14 | evaded | netman1: tldp?? |
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| 10:37.35 | chemaja | my current problem is to read through the debian documentation and figure out how to run Etch and install only selected packages from Sid (*cough* kaffeine *cough*) --- AND determine what the side-effects of doing this will be |
| 10:37.48 | hellangel`linux | how can i set my standard browser to firefox again? |
| 10:37.55 | hellangel`linux | wasnt it update-alternatives x-www-browser firefox? |
| 10:37.58 | Shorty` | anyone here know of any good docs for user auth with libpam-mysql? |
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| 10:38.20 | th1 | chemaja try reading here: http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html |
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| 10:38.47 | andrewtaylor_ | will someone either tell me what question to ask, or tell me to go away. i've read the docs, i've googled it, i'm sure anyone with a clue can point me in the right direction on something simple like logging |
| 10:38.59 | chemaja | th1: thanks. i was currently reading the more canonical http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
| 10:39.03 | argent | hellangel`linux, check /etc/alternatives |
| 10:39.15 | hellangel`linux | argent, yeah - thers x-www-browser |
| 10:39.22 | argent | andrewtaylor_, ask |
| 10:39.41 | argent | Shorty`, try asking dpkg |
| 10:39.47 | netman1 | evadedi: thanks. |
| 10:40.02 | th1 | chemaja I prefer learning by doing - understanding how everyuthing works in advance is not necessary, besides you will faster if you just start using it :) |
| 10:40.19 | andrewtaylor_ | I can't work out why/where firehol is logging to - dmesg displays some entries but I want to find the file so I can tail -f it - /var/log/messages only has entries about syslog starting/stopping |
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| 10:40.52 | hellangel`linux | argent, now how to set it to firefox? :) |
| 10:41.00 | chemaja | tr1: but wouldn't the method described in my URL be more elegant? (ie. set default distro, explicitly grab what you want from Sid by using arguments to apt-get) versus having to hand-hack the pinning config? |
| 10:41.10 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:41.10 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:41.12 | argent | andrewtaylor_, try checking /etc/syslog.conf for the file where it logs |
| 10:41.41 | andrewtaylor_ | what should I be looking for, ther'es no specific entry for iptables or firehol |
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| 10:41.53 | Flosoft | hey |
| 10:42.02 | chemaja | tr1: ps. i'm trying not to break this freshly-installed Etch too hard |
| 10:42.10 | simonrvn | try syslog |
| 10:42.19 | argent | hellangel`linux, do: rm /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser; ln -s `which firefox` /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 10:42.24 | Flosoft | I need an sources.list with alot of appliances |
| 10:42.41 | argent | andrewtaylor_, then i dunno |
| 10:42.44 | Flosoft | like mysql; php etc. |
| 10:42.56 | hellangel`linux | argent, what does that do? |
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| 10:43.13 | argent | hellangel`linux, changes your default browser to firefox |
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| 10:43.44 | andrewtaylor_ | kern.* -/var/log/kern.log |
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| 10:43.49 | argent | Flosoft, just a sec |
| 10:43.53 | andrewtaylor_ | surely that should log everything from dmesg in kern.log |
| 10:43.58 | hellangel`linux | argent, nothing happens now, when i wanna open a link on xchat |
| 10:44.34 | argent | hellangel`linux, you want to open a link in xchat? right click on the link. |
| 10:44.59 | hellangel`linux | argent, default: when i open in webbrowser, he starts konquer.. now after that change, he doesnt even start conquer |
| 10:45.06 | argent | Flosoft, do this: `cat /etc/debian-release' and tell me the output |
| 10:45.13 | hellangel`linux | argent, owww |
| 10:45.27 | hellangel`linux | argent, nm, i forgot i already had an open browser in desktop2 :/ |
| 10:45.30 | hellangel`linux | thx =) |
| 10:45.41 | argent | hellangel`linux, nm==?? |
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| 10:45.54 | Flosoft | there is only debian_version |
| 10:46.03 | hellangel`linux | argent, nm == nevermind |
| 10:46.07 | Flosoft | which is Sarge (3.1) |
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| 10:46.15 | argent | Flosoft, sorry, debian_version |
| 10:46.21 | argent | Flosoft, ok, cool |
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| 10:46.57 | argent | Flosoft, where do you live? i mean which country? |
| 10:47.00 | tic | Hi. Any particular reason why my crontab isn't being run? I have a standard /etc/crontab. For debugging purposes, I added a date >> /tmp/foo to be run every minute, but it's not working out for me. What gives? I've restarted /etc/init.d/cron just in case |
| 10:47.01 | Flosoft | if you want you can have shell access to it |
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| 10:47.05 | Flosoft | argent: BE |
| 10:47.10 | tic | Debian-3.x |
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| 10:47.33 | argent | Flosoft, NEVER, EVER EVER GIVE SHELL ACCESS TO STRANGERS!!!!!!! |
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| 10:48.04 | Flosoft | it is not a server ;) it is my kubuntu pc @ home with Debian as a Virtual PC ;) |
| 10:48.04 | tic | (and /usr/sbin/cron is running) |
| 10:48.11 | Flosoft | so theres no risk ;) |
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| 10:48.31 | argent | Flosoft, NEVER, EVER EVER GIVE SHELL ACCESS TO STRANGERS!!!!!!! |
| 10:48.45 | argent | Flosoft, anyway, can you gimme the full name of your country? |
| 10:48.56 | Flosoft | Belgium / Germany |
| 10:49.08 | argent | Flosoft, you know, someone can render your machine unusable or use it to hack other machines |
| 10:49.12 | argent | Flosoft, oh |
| 10:49.23 | hellangel`linux | Flosoft, wie jetz, belgien oder deutschland? :) |
| 10:49.34 | Flosoft | naja ... ich bin Deutsch ... wohne aber in Belgien |
| 10:49.41 | Flosoft | beide Server sind aber schnell ;) |
| 10:49.46 | hellangel`linux | ah ic :) |
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| 10:51.34 | Shorty` | tic: if you tail -f /var/log/syslog, you may see what's going on |
| 10:51.35 | th1 | does anyone know the status of amd64 etch? it looks like most packages are unavailable.. |
| 10:51.44 | tic | Shorty`, nothing there :/ |
| 10:51.53 | Shorty` | killall -HUP cron |
| 10:51.54 | Shorty` | :P |
| 10:51.57 | norskfjord | hi all, I've just compiled 'adesklets', when I cd into the dir and run 'adesklets' nothing opens. I've read the man page and README, ran it with --i to install desklets for it, but still when I do 'adesklets' nothing. Am I missing something? |
| 10:51.59 | argent | Flosoft, /join #flood |
| 10:52.18 | tic | Shorty`, did that already. |
| 10:52.24 | Marcel--S-C | is there a phone application, like Windows phone dialler, available for linux? |
| 10:52.53 | Shorty` | tic; hrm. I guess I don't know then, what's the line you have? |
| 10:53.21 | tic | 5 * * * * root /root/bin/update-dreamhost-autokill.sh |
| 10:53.28 | tic | 1 * * * * root date >> /tmp/foo |
| 10:53.29 | tic | :) |
| 10:53.34 | tic | but no /tmp/foo in sight. |
| 10:53.55 | Shorty` | so, the 1st minute of every horu? |
| 10:54.06 | Shorty` | long time to wait.. :) |
| 10:54.25 | Shorty` | */5 will do every 5 mins? :> |
| 10:54.35 | tic | d'oh! :) |
| 10:54.36 | tic | thanks :) |
| 10:54.39 | Shorty` | haha :> |
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| 10:55.50 | tic | I, uh, knew that. I really did! |
| 10:56.17 | flosch | hi |
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| 10:59.01 | argent | hey flosch |
| 10:59.12 | flosch | :) |
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| 11:02.56 | arabian | hello |
| 11:03.16 | arabian | Helloooooooooooo |
| 11:03.20 | argent | !greet arabian |
| 11:03.20 | dpkg | Wassup, arabian |
| 11:03.32 | arabian | how are you ? |
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| 11:04.17 | arabian | I need your help |
| 11:04.23 | argent | !ask |
| 11:04.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:04.36 | arabian | I need an apt-get source |
| 11:04.47 | argent | arabian, and....? |
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| 11:05.00 | argent | arabian, is it unable to download sources? |
| 11:05.16 | arabian | so i can install some new softwares |
| 11:05.30 | hellangel`linux | arabian, apt-cache search <new software> |
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| 11:06.49 | CaptainNuss | hi. i'm using debian etch on a computer with two hard disks. my root fs is on an lvm volume. i have lvm support compiled into my custom kernel, but it won't boot, telling me that it 'cannot open root device "mapper/MainGroup-RootVolume" or unknown-block(0,0)'. do i need an initrd even though i have lvm support compiled in? |
| 11:06.50 | argent | is there any good pdf editor for linux? |
| 11:06.52 | arabian | i don't want this |
| 11:07.30 | flosch | arabian: pdf editor? maybe openoffice.org? |
| 11:07.34 | arabian | if i execute "apt-get update" it tells me "file not found" |
| 11:07.42 | flosch | argent: |
| 11:07.43 | flosch | ;) |
| 11:07.43 | karsten | argent: There are good systems for creating PDFs. Editing PDFs is sort of difficult. |
| 11:07.53 | karsten | argent: You trying to create one or modify one? |
| 11:07.55 | argent | arabian, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin.com |
| 11:08.12 | argent | karsten, modify. but OO.o is too slow |
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| 11:09.01 | arabian | what is this ? tc/apt/ "pastebin.com" |
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| 11:09.06 | karsten | argent: 'pdf forms editor' might be what you want to search for. |
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| 11:09.15 | argent | karsten, thanks |
| 11:09.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: Yo! |
| 11:09.53 | karsten | argent: Scribus pops up on Google, which is what I'd be inclined to suggest anyway. |
| 11:10.10 | liable | gnufan: wont replace deleted conf files. |
| 11:10.13 | argent | arabian, open the file /etc/apt/sources.list using an editor and paste what is in the file on the web site pastebin.com |
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| 11:10.40 | argent | karsten, i tried sribus but it does not open pdf files |
| 11:12.33 | karsten | argent: PDF edit is really an overlay edit. As I said initially: the concept of editing a PDF is somewhat foreign. |
| 11:13.09 | argent | karsten, overlay edit==?? |
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| 11:14.23 | karsten | argent: PDF == Postscript Dispaly Format. It's a presentation form of a document. You usually want a source in some other form: DocBook, LaTeX, HTML, Wordprocessing document, etc. |
| 11:14.48 | simonrvn | edit file -> export to pdf |
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| 11:15.08 | wols_ | argent: would you edit a dvi file? |
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| 11:15.18 | simonrvn | pdf -> conv to non-pdf -> edit -> export pdf |
| 11:15.28 | karsten | argent: Adobe's now got some tools which let you "edit" a PDF. It's a pretty crude hack. |
| 11:15.36 | argent | simonrvn, that's what i was thinking too |
| 11:15.50 | argent | wols_, no |
| 11:15.59 | simonrvn | that's if you only have the pdf. if you have the source doc, who cares |
| 11:16.06 | wols_ | a pdf is the same. only proprietary |
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| 11:16.39 | ootput | hi guys, with a Makefile, is it possible to specify where a program will be built? |
| 11:16.46 | pjv | is there a way i can send evolution on the systems tray? |
| 11:16.48 | ootput | ie, where the resulting binaries will g? |
| 11:16.49 | streuner | you could convert a pdf into picture and edit it then |
| 11:16.58 | argent | so pdf is actually something which has been converted from source into main doc? |
| 11:17.10 | karsten | ootput: Yes. Your makefile or someone elses? |
| 11:17.12 | karsten | argent: Yes. |
| 11:17.13 | argent | ootput, yep. |
| 11:17.21 | simonrvn | pdf is just a subset of ps |
| 11:17.29 | karsten | simonrvn: sub or super? |
| 11:17.31 | argent | ootput, there should be something like PREFIX=...... |
| 11:17.46 | simonrvn | sub |
| 11:17.52 | argent | simonrvn, i know. but ps came first |
| 11:18.13 | simonrvn | i didn't say anything about which one came first |
| 11:18.16 | ootput | karsten: mine, i'm going to work on a few files |
| 11:18.32 | ootput | karsten: i just want to create a dir hierarchy within the source dir |
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| 11:19.37 | karsten | ootput: what argent said. I don't do a lot of source packaging myself, I'm not aware of conventions / tools for setting it up if any. |
| 11:20.38 | karsten | argent: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/0612209 |
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| 11:21.53 | argent | karsten, already seen that. thanks, though |
| 11:22.08 | karsten | argent: NP |
| 11:22.23 | ootput | karsten: thanks anyway |
| 11:22.29 | karsten | ootput: NP |
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| 11:23.32 | evaded | @mythtv |
| 11:23.44 | ltsin | hi, can any guy tell how to change encoding of terminal(gnome -terminal) in command line? thanks |
| 11:24.02 | azeem | ltsin: I think you cannot (yet) |
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| 11:24.10 | azeem | somebody wrote a patch for that, though IIRC |
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| 11:24.19 | evaded | There are an little space many in the output of '/msg dpkg mythtv' :-/ |
| 11:24.23 | karsten | ltsin: gconf-editor? |
| 11:24.26 | evaded | In the URL of it |
| 11:24.33 | yassine | kooky, still there |
| 11:25.08 | ltsin | azeem: why, i remember i can see chinese charaters in gnome-terminal before, but i just forget how to do it |
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| 11:25.34 | azeem | ltsin: you can change the encoding from within gnome-terminal |
| 11:25.39 | azeem | blah. |
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| 11:26.39 | comsa | How do you set the time out for xserver ? |
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| 11:27.44 | schrankwand | Hi, how can i list all files related to an installed package? |
| 11:27.52 | resiak | dpkg -L foo |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | ii foo 1.8-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 11:28.08 | ltsin | azeem: I can change encoding from the menu of gnome terminal |
| 11:28.35 | azeem | ltsin: right |
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| 11:28.37 | argent | rofl |
| 11:28.54 | schrankwand | resiak: thanks |
| 11:28.57 | argent | dpkg --list-files foo |
| 11:29.11 | argent | dpkg --listfiles foo |
| 11:29.35 | ltsin | azeem: but every time i want to see chinese in gnome-terminal, I had to change the encoding, it is so... |
| 11:29.48 | azeem | ltsin: you can also change the default encoding I think |
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| 11:29.53 | azeem | hrm, or maybe not |
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| 11:30.01 | argent | !dpkg --listfiles foo |
| 11:30.03 | azeem | ltsin: yeah, this sucks probably |
| 11:30.08 | azeem | argent: please stop abusing the bot |
| 11:30.09 | argent | darn dpkg |
| 11:30.09 | azeem | or /msg it |
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| 11:30.18 | james__ | can someone please tell me how i'd go about converting a vfat partition to ext3 without moving the data off the drive? |
| 11:30.36 | azeem | james__: you cannot I guess |
| 11:30.52 | azeem | ltsin: maybe gnome-terminal in 2.14 will have a command-line switch, I am not sure |
| 11:31.21 | ltsin | azeem: oh thank you very much |
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| 11:33.15 | marcel__ | hello |
| 11:33.45 | marcel__ | if i want to change /home/user to a different hard drive, can i then just adjust /etc/fstab? |
| 11:33.47 | argent | hey marcel__ |
| 11:33.51 | marcel__ | or should i do other things also? |
| 11:34.28 | comsa | How do you set the time suout for xserver ? |
| 11:34.34 | kooky | you could change passwd file |
| 11:34.46 | kooky | or issue the moduser command |
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| 11:34.57 | argent | marcel__, i agree with kooky |
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| 11:35.27 | marcel__ | moduser? |
| 11:35.44 | kooky | or usermod, not sure one off them |
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| 11:36.08 | marcel__ | i see, usermod -d |
| 11:36.10 | marcel__ | thanks |
| 11:36.18 | jengelh | usermod is sysv, moduser is bsd |
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| 11:37.06 | marcel__ | but what about fstab? |
| 11:37.17 | marcel__ | how do i point /home/user to a different hard drive |
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| 11:37.59 | kooky | you just wanna put one home directory to another harddrive? |
| 11:38.08 | marcel__ | yes |
| 11:38.23 | marcel__ | /dev/hdb1 /home/marcel reiserfs rw,user,auto 0 0 |
| 11:38.25 | kooky | just mount it to somewhere and create a symlink |
| 11:38.27 | marcel__ | something like that |
| 11:38.44 | kooky | or mount it into the home dir |
| 11:38.48 | wols_ | marcel__: yes, edit your ftab |
| 11:38.55 | wols_ | *fstab |
| 11:39.08 | marcel__ | will my current /home/marcel be overwitten? |
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| 11:39.40 | argent | marcel__, you have to ensure that /home/marcel is empty before youcan mount it |
| 11:39.48 | wols_ | you will still have /dev/hdb1. so you should copy the old stuff tot he new drive of course |
| 11:40.00 | marcel__ | ok |
| 11:40.02 | argent | marcel__, of you can use unionfs |
| 11:40.05 | argent | *or |
| 11:40.21 | argent | marcel__, and join both the directories |
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| 11:41.30 | marcel__ | ok, thanks all |
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| 11:41.49 | karsten | marcel__: Mounting over an existing directory doesn't delete any files under the mountpoint directory. However you won't be able to access them while the mount exists. |
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| 11:46.28 | Daftdog | hey everybody... just a quick question. I'm trying to install vhcs but there's a little bug in there that prevents the package from configuring properly... the package is now "half-configured" and I found a fix to the problem on the internet, stating I should edit 2 files. Now I need to start the configuration again WITHOUT having the files i edited overwritten (a normal reinstall does just that unfortunatelly), how can I achieve |
| 11:47.03 | Daftdog | I'm new to Debian and don't know what to do.. I use aptitude for packages |
| 11:47.34 | BlueBeret | recently I tried to upgrade my kernel (2.6.15-686) and it ended with an error (unable to create initrd) - henceforth it does the same everytime I use apt-get, although the package is no more selected. how can I fix this? |
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| 11:50.42 | BlueBeret | hey, i don't think it is *that* difficult |
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| 11:52.13 | argent | BlueBeret: do apt-get -f install |
| 11:52.16 | vin` | BlueBeret: is initramfs-tools installed? |
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| 11:52.54 | BlueBeret | vin`: yes |
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| 11:53.11 | argent | Daftdog: check /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:53.22 | argent | Daftdog: and manually install the packages using dpkg |
| 11:53.35 | argent | dpkg -i foo |
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| 11:56.07 | Daftdog | argent: do i need to edit the .deb file first? |
| 11:56.43 | argent | Daftdog: no. i think dpkg lets you select which config file to overwrite. just a sec. lemme check |
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| 11:57.57 | Daftdog | argent: ok... thanks a bunch in advance! |
| 11:58.16 | argent | Daftdog: yep. it asks before removeing the conf file |
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| 12:00.03 | Daftdog | argent: does it only ask for conf files? the file i edited is a source file |
| 12:00.27 | daxxar | What's the nicest way to add stuff to autostart (rc-levels) |
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| 12:02.08 | kooky | touch /etc/init.d/file && ln -s /etc/init.d/file /etc/rc/<runlevel> |
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| 12:04.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: !oY |
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| 12:04.49 | lemmy | hi |
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| 12:06.17 | lemmy | its not possible to add an user to more than 32 groups on debian sarge, although my kernel supports this (kernel.ngroups_max = 65535). obviously its related to the tools in the userspace. any hints how to solve this problem? |
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| 12:07.21 | kooky | maybe you could try it with another database for groups and users (ldap?) |
| 12:08.02 | lemmy | kooky: i rather don't want to add additional software to my system. |
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| 12:08.53 | lemmy | kooky: this problem is only present in sarge. etch doesn't have a limitation. |
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| 12:12.54 | rvsjoen | syslog-ng crashes after logrotate runs /etc/init.d/syslog-ng reload, is there any reason it needs to be relaoded after the logs are rotated ? |
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| 12:20.27 | locus | anyone know if alien'ating a REHL kernel rpm works? |
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| 12:24.08 | widow_ | has anyone a via soundcard VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller working under sarge to be compiled into the kernel ? |
| 12:26.55 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 12:26.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:26.59 | wols_ | locus: I wouldn't do it |
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| 12:29.56 | tarzeau | someone good with car mechanics? |
| 12:30.19 | tarzeau | i've got 3 and 5 wires in windshield wiper motors... and i've got two. which one is from KIA which from Toyota? |
| 12:30.25 | tarzeau | http://snow.ethz.ch/car/ |
| 12:30.32 | GNU_Style | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.44 | locus | wols_, I dont want to do it either but they have implemented some kernel patches that I'll need ;) |
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| 12:32.28 | locus | wols_, but since RH is GPL'ed as well, I should be able to find their kernel sources and build one using the kpkg tools |
| 12:32.34 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, whats up with the wires? |
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| 12:33.09 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: what does each of the wires do? |
| 12:33.20 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, http://snow.ethz.ch/car/IMG_4781.jpg this ones for kia |
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| 12:33.38 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: thank you! |
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| 12:34.21 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: thanks, renamed them |
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| 12:34.40 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, black = ground, blue1,2,3 etc are all positive wires mostly for speed control |
| 12:35.18 | tarzeau | and green? |
| 12:35.21 | tarzeau | i see |
| 12:35.23 | Chronoz | how do i get the loopback interface to come up by default on boot? |
| 12:35.26 | tarzeau | blue is +, green - |
| 12:35.29 | tarzeau | black ground |
| 12:35.36 | tarzeau | depending what speed i want, i use the right blue cable |
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| 12:35.47 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: very simple :) YOU ARE SO MY HERO! |
| 12:36.01 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, :) |
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| 12:36.26 | jan_ | Hmmm, if i try to install xserver-xorg from experimental, it depends on ubuntu packages :-) |
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| 12:37.26 | XTF | Hi. How can I find the installed package that contains a certain file? |
| 12:37.32 | bizkit | hi, i have just reattached a screen session from within putty on win32, i usually use F1-F12 to switch between my screens within gnu screen. this doesn't work here. what is the screen-way to switch between the windows? |
| 12:38.24 | entuall | bizkit, ctrl-a n and ctrl-a p |
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| 12:38.27 | TBBle | XTF: dpkg -S |
| 12:38.34 | bizkit | entuall: thanks |
| 12:38.47 | GNU_Style | any names of good and simple FTP anf HTTP server for windows? |
| 12:39.03 | jbroome | entirely the wrong channel |
| 12:39.11 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: what voltage is on ground and what on - and what on + according to your opinion during operation? |
| 12:39.12 | bbrazil | bizkit: c-a 2 |
| 12:39.26 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: there's ##windows |
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| 12:40.04 | blupss | hi |
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| 12:41.32 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, ground= - , theres no voltage for that, in my experience if you connect 1 blue=low, 2 blue wire= med, 3 blue wires=high, some might have a separate wire for intermitent althought some times intermitent is controlled via the switch |
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| 12:42.45 | blupss | windows for ever |
| 12:42.57 | tarzeau | blupss: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg |
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| 12:43.11 | blupss | XDDDDD |
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| 12:43.18 | blupss | lol |
| 12:43.27 | me0w | is that supposed to be trolling blupss ? |
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| 12:43.47 | me0w | I've heard of this "trolling" phenomena |
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| 12:44.40 | wols_ | me0w: /. has audio now? oh my god, save us all! |
| 12:45.26 | blupss | me0w it's possible |
| 12:45.27 | SaeGaeT | blupss mira |
| 12:45.37 | SaeGaeT | me0w what mean "trolling"? |
| 12:45.50 | blupss | crear polemica xDD |
| 12:46.03 | chemaja | windows are great. I've even got 3 of them open right now: konqueror, konsole, konversation.... ;-) |
| 12:46.13 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, hows it going with the motors? |
| 12:46.27 | blupss | jejej |
| 12:46.42 | GNU_Style | windows ROCKS!, microsoft SUCKS! |
| 12:46.45 | me0w | yes, I've got some windows opened too .. the bathroom window, the livingroom window |
| 12:46.54 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: you mean what i need the motors for? :) |
| 12:46.55 | blupss | linux sucks |
| 12:47.07 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, yah, |
| 12:47.27 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: hehe :) let me work on the webpage more, and i'll show you... |
| 12:47.34 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, ok |
| 12:47.40 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 12:47.57 | tengulre | how to install linux on PCMCIA?? |
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| 12:48.35 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: building my own fuckingmachines.com. but this is special! we make the plan using free software and publish them entirely! |
| 12:48.57 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: and don't ever fear there's no ubersexy woman begging me to try it out! :) |
| 12:49.24 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, porn toys? |
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| 12:49.32 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: yeh, hehe |
| 12:49.37 | GNU_Style | porn for linux at LAST |
| 12:49.50 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: just the engineering |
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| 12:50.10 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: ahh so i should put a tux on the machines.. when making movies/screenshots |
| 12:51.44 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, ohh ic, wats the URL then? |
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| 12:51.54 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: i'll have it at www.lesbian.mine.nu |
| 12:52.26 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: we'll be working this in free time, so it might take one month for a good working prototype... |
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| 12:52.44 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: got an idea if i should use something better than PC Powersupplies for the powernig? |
| 12:52.44 | rr | where can i find docs about customizing xdm (specific for debian sid)? what i found with google refers to an Xsetup file that i cant find in my /usr/X11R6/... |
| 12:53.01 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: we've got a linkage to get the rotation into horizontal movement |
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| 12:53.37 | Thug-N-Me | jwhat would be a good fronted client ftp ? |
| 12:53.41 | Thug-N-Me | for gnome ... ? |
| 12:53.48 | XTF | How does one echo the return value of an application (on the command line)? |
| 12:53.55 | tarzeau | XTF: echo $? |
| 12:54.18 | Thug-N-Me | or how do i connect with NcFTP to a diff. port ? |
| 12:54.27 | me0w | gFTP is pretty cool |
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| 12:55.02 | Thug-N-Me | thanks |
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| 12:55.24 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, wat are the mechanical stuff for? is it a PORN themed debian OS? |
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| 12:57.18 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: just a pussy fucker. nothing computer connected |
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| 12:58.17 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, wow,is it safe? |
| 12:58.39 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: i think yes. why do you ask? |
| 12:59.01 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: i've got a few test persons wanting to test it ... |
| 12:59.08 | wols_ | Thug-N-Me: lftp |
| 12:59.14 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, wiper motors are quite powerful, they might rip some pu**y |
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| 12:59.36 | GNU_Style | tamiya motors are quite fast and small |
| 12:59.37 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: it's just horizontal movement we get, like 6-8cm |
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| 12:59.56 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: so i'll check if i can get tamiya motors. you don't by chance live in europe? |
| 13:00.21 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, im in the philippines |
| 13:00.30 | Thug-N-Me | wols_ thanks |
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| 13:02.04 | GNU_Style | wats an EGGDROP? |
| 13:02.12 | tarzeau | !eggdrop |
| 13:02.13 | dpkg | Eggdrop!? I scoff at Eggdrop bots! I'll have you know, tarzeau, that I am a blootbot, and proud of it! If you really want to sift through the rubbish heap of Tcl, it's allegedly sitting somewhere near <ftp://raistlin.toledolink.com/pub/eggdrop>, but don't say I didn't warn you! |
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| 13:02.28 | d4t2ilL4 | hi how can i view how much memory that process is using? |
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| 13:02.37 | wols_ | d4t2ilL4: top |
| 13:02.49 | me0w | that's interesting |
| 13:02.59 | d4t2ilL4 | top is only for current user |
| 13:03.00 | me0w | hmmm ... |
| 13:03.04 | d4t2ilL4 | ? |
| 13:03.04 | me0w | !bitchx |
| 13:03.05 | dpkg | from memory, bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages |
| 13:03.35 | me0w | sweet |
| 13:03.47 | wols_ | d4t2ilL4: look harder |
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| 13:04.04 | d4t2ilL4 | yep got it wols_ |
| 13:04.05 | d4t2ilL4 | hehe |
| 13:04.07 | d4t2ilL4 | thanks |
| 13:04.10 | d4t2ilL4 | top -p |
| 13:04.13 | me0w | I wander.. |
| 13:04.15 | me0w | !slackware |
| 13:04.15 | dpkg | well, slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg |
| 13:04.21 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 13:04.21 | dpkg | [pmm] please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel, or you can go to #debian-bots if you want to play with me |
| 13:04.30 | d4t2ilL4 | !kubuntu |
| 13:04.30 | dpkg | methinks kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
| 13:04.37 | d4t2ilL4 | !xgl |
| 13:04.37 | dpkg | methinks xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
| 13:04.47 | d4t2ilL4 | !directx |
| 13:04.47 | dpkg | directx is, like, A Microsoft technology that works under Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.x. Basically, it's a set of APIs that allow programmers to access more directly sound and graphics capabilities of the computer allowing for, among other things, great games. It's not available for linux, use openGL. |
| 13:04.48 | vin` | d4t2ilL4: /msg the bot |
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| 13:05.16 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: http://images.google.ch/images?ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=tamiya%20motor&qt_s=Suche&sa=N&tab=gi |
| 13:05.59 | GNU_Style | yes, most of the electric ones will do the job |
| 13:06.33 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: do you know how the wiper motor linkages work? |
| 13:06.40 | d4t2ilL4 | lol not a very neutral definition of microsoft from dpkg |
| 13:06.42 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: the motors rotate all the same direction and don't turn , right? |
| 13:07.05 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, if you reverse the polarity it turns back wards |
| 13:07.17 | GNU_Style | its the theory of a motor |
| 13:07.25 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: yeah but i can't do that 3 times in a second, can i? |
| 13:07.38 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: is that what happens in windshield wipers on a car? |
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| 13:09.38 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, windshield wiper motors on cars dont actually reverse, there a mechanisim to reverse the blades, not the motors turning direction |
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| 13:10.08 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: see, that's what we also want to do |
| 13:10.22 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: there was some info on wikipedia how to do it with a linkage... |
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| 13:11.07 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, so what really are you gonna make, some kinda dildo? |
| 13:12.00 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: a moving one, horizontal movement of 6cm... |
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| 13:12.24 | GNU_Style | so a 6cm horizontal back and fort movement? |
| 13:12.30 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: exactly |
| 13:13.21 | GNU_Style | ohh ic. |
| 13:13.39 | azeem | GNU_Style, tarzeau: how is this discussion related to #debian? |
| 13:13.52 | tarzeau | azeem: it's done on debian and freesoftware that debian ships |
| 13:14.09 | tarzeau | besides, it's weekend. and i found him in #debian |
| 13:14.21 | azeem | this is a support channel. |
| 13:15.11 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, lets take this to some off topic channel or you can PM me, so that the DEBIAN guys will not get mad.. |
| 13:15.22 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: #lesbian |
| 13:15.23 | GNU_Style | sorry debian technical support |
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| 13:17.09 | locus | how can I get a list of attached usb devices? |
| 13:17.15 | abrotman | lsusb |
| 13:17.22 | locus | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:19.15 | argent | GNU_Style, tarzeau : http://66.254.99.158/content/2/9/c/29c958c6e9d3d7e729cdc4b0768a3c03.jpg |
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| 13:19.51 | Armand` | argent: Aieee! |
| 13:19.54 | GNU_Style | argent, are you using an http server? |
| 13:20.02 | argent | nope |
| 13:20.02 | Armand` | argent: please tell me the ad people made a terrible mistake |
| 13:20.10 | GNU_Style | I want to server some http on my pc how? |
| 13:20.12 | argent | Armand`: i think so |
| 13:20.24 | argent | GNU_Style: just install httpd |
| 13:20.29 | Armand` | that's a really unfortunate advert |
| 13:20.33 | argent | GNU_Style: aka apache |
| 13:20.38 | argent | Armand`: it sure is |
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| 13:21.18 | GNU_Style | argent, any more child p*rn? |
| 13:21.28 | whb | apache is quite heavy httpd for home pc |
| 13:22.04 | argent | GNU_Style: nope. a friend pointed me to it. funny, though, that people use kids like this in adverts |
| 13:22.13 | argent | whb: then check out thttpd |
| 13:22.15 | argent | !thttpd |
| 13:22.15 | dpkg | methinks thttpd is tiny/turbo/throttling HTTP server, can do .cgi, virtual domains and limit bandwith for different clients.. |
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| 13:22.34 | Armand` | recommendations for a graphical process/system monitor app? |
| 13:22.48 | argent | Armand`: bubblemon |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:24.17 | abrotman | now with more ducky power! |
| 13:24.19 | blondie | gkrellm? |
| 13:24.44 | blondie | HATE |
| 13:24.45 | argent | abrotman: absolutely |
| 13:24.56 | argent | though i prefer bubblefishymon |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | i have used bubblemon in .. years |
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| 13:27.52 | pingla | greetings... just update my apache web server to 1.3.34... and now i have a problem with virtual hosts...getting the warning msg: "[warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence" when doing apachectl configtest...is there a new directiv that has been added?? used apache 1.3.33 before i believe... |
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| 13:28.32 | argent | pingla: try #apache |
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| 13:28.46 | pingla | using debian, but ok |
| 13:28.57 | abrotman | debian doesn't have apache 1.3.34 afaik |
| 13:29.21 | pingla | yeah, testing |
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| 13:30.02 | netman1 | Hi All. Where are tun devices files to be created on systems without devfs (>2.6.15) ? Is there an automagically/Debian way to do this? |
| 13:30.12 | jengelh | udev creates them automagically |
| 13:30.21 | netman1 | wow |
| 13:30.26 | netman1 | that was fast. |
| 13:30.30 | netman1 | Thanks. |
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| 13:30.40 | abrotman | pingla: hey .. what do you know .. |
| 13:30.54 | jengelh | You may need some starter files in /dev like 'initctl' and 'console' |
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| 13:31.22 | jengelh | taking a look at another distro (suse linux 10.1), tmpfs is mounted on /dev and then udev jumps in, creating everything that's necessary |
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| 13:31.40 | pingla | abrotman: just did an update, and that's when this happened... |
| 13:31.54 | netman1 | jengelh: That's smart. Thanks for the leads. |
| 13:32.00 | abrotman | pingla: checked the BTS? |
| 13:32.13 | poison | Hi all, I have some 64bit machines which are running snmpd, and when I poll them from a 32bit machine I got 0 for ifOutOctets, but when I poll them from another 64bit machine I get te actual values, is there a bug in snmp on 32bit or something? Or what am I doing wrong? |
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| 13:33.30 | pingla | abrotman: BTS? never used |
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| 13:34.09 | oldsparky | 'sera |
| 13:34.14 | oldsparky | ops, 'giorno |
| 13:34.17 | sepski | poison, are you sure you are not accidentialy polling ifHCOutOctets from the 64 bit ? ifHCOutOctets is the 64 bit version of ifOutOctets |
| 13:34.20 | abrotman | !bts |
| 13:34.20 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | !it |
| 13:34.25 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:34.32 | jengelh | !dfind rename |
| 13:34.33 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'rename' (5): ifrename ;; krename ;; mp3rename ;; mrename ;; renameutils. |
| 13:34.36 | crypt_ex | Having problems with installing shockwave for Firefox, any suggesions as I have tried manually placing the .so and .xpt file into /usr/lib/firefox/ ? |
| 13:34.55 | oldsparky | abrotman: yeah, I know |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:35.16 | poison | sepski: IF-MIB::ifHCOutOctets = No Such Object available on this agent at this OID |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | crypt_ex: they would go in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins |
| 13:35.27 | argent | crypt_ex: there is no shockwave for linux |
| 13:35.28 | poison | sepski: I don't think so because it doesn't work :) |
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| 13:35.36 | crypt_ex | abrotman, I have tried that |
| 13:35.40 | crypt_ex | argent, really? |
| 13:35.49 | abrotman | crypt_ex: you mean flash . not shockwave right ? |
| 13:35.50 | argent | !shockwave |
| 13:35.51 | dpkg | Macromedia Shockwave Player is non-free software not available for GNU/Linux. For "Shockwave Flash" (Flash), ask me about flash |
| 13:35.52 | Howitzer | Is there a (very) active (un/official doesn't matter) debian-forum?, because i really miss the community forum from Ubuntu.. |
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| 13:36.11 | crypt_ex | abrotman, shockwave |
| 13:36.12 | sepski | poison, that's just the name try polling by the numerical oid's from both hosts. that should not differ |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | !forums |
| 13:36.14 | dpkg | hmm... forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 13:36.19 | abrotman | Howitzer: ^^ |
| 13:36.29 | abrotman | crypt_ex: only flash .. no shockwave |
| 13:36.30 | Howitzer | i checked those |
| 13:36.44 | poison | sepski: how can I find the oid's? |
| 13:36.45 | abrotman | Howitzer: and? |
| 13:36.52 | Howitzer | half are dead? |
| 13:37.01 | abrotman | forums.debian.net is dead ? |
| 13:37.05 | crypt_ex | ah |
| 13:37.08 | crypt_ex | thanks |
| 13:37.21 | sepski | poison, snmpwalk -n should print them iirc |
| 13:37.24 | vin` | Howitzer: the mailing lists are quite active. |
| 13:37.51 | Howitzer | can you select the mailing lists? |
| 13:38.00 | abrotman | select? |
| 13:38.10 | Howitzer | because i can't have like 200 mails a day with my 10gb/mo connection -_- |
| 13:38.56 | abrotman | the debianhelp.org used to be active .. |
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| 13:40.08 | vin` | Howitzer: lists.debian.org, check out the archives. |
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| 13:41.12 | Howitzer | hmm |
| 13:41.13 | Howitzer | ty |
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| 13:42.25 | pawdro | hi, when i install glade3 from cvs i run script autogen.sh, but it fails: Checking for required M4 macros...,libtool.m4 not found,glib-gettext.m4 not found,intltool.m4 not found,pkg.m4 not found,gtk-doc.m4 not found |
| 13:42.28 | pawdro | how to solve it |
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| 13:42.59 | argent | pawdro: do you have the reqd libraries? |
| 13:43.00 | pawdro | I have these files in /usr/share/aclocal but it seems that etch doesn't see that |
| 13:43.11 | Howitzer | question: At the installation, with Tasksel, you can select 'Desktop Environment', how do i find out which packages it exactly installs without installing them? |
| 13:43.15 | pawdro | argent: yes |
| 13:44.08 | argent | pawdro: there should be somewhere in the script where you can specify the dir |
| 13:44.14 | leoboiko | hi. I'm trying to install etch powerpc in an oldworld mac. installer partitioner did something weird, and the target partition would only mount read-only. I've tried to delete it, recreate the partition (Linux type) with mac-fdisk, and now mkfs.* fails with "illegal instruction". any ideas? |
| 13:44.20 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 13:44.21 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc and/or #debian-ppc |
| 13:44.32 | pawdro | agent: can i priv? |
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| 13:44.41 | tengulre | Hi,all |
| 13:44.52 | jengelh | is that "oldworld mac" maybe ppc32? |
| 13:44.59 | argent | pawdro: yep |
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| 13:45.13 | leoboiko | it's a powerbook 3400c. I don't know anything about macs :) |
| 13:45.21 | pawdro | argent: what more: Checking for forbidden M4 macros...***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build glade were not found in your aclocal path, or some forbidden macros were found. Perhaps you need to adjust your ACLOCAL_FLAGS? |
| 13:45.37 | Howitzer | eh, i find dpkg's response to !ppc a bit bitchy |
| 13:45.43 | argent | pawdro: yep. tune the ACLOCAL_FLAGS |
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| 13:46.35 | Borg | Is here anyone with experiance of Qstat? |
| 13:46.55 | argent | pawdro: edit autogen.sh and put --acdir=/usr/share/aclocal as a flag to acloacl |
| 13:47.03 | poison | damn I can't find the oid of ifOutOctets.1 |
| 13:47.15 | jengelh | snmp is stupid |
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| 13:47.24 | argent | !tell Borg anyone |
| 13:47.33 | argent | !tell Borg about anyone |
| 13:47.54 | Howitzer | !anyone |
| 13:47.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:47.55 | Borg | Sorry.. I justdon't find any real channel for it :P |
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| 13:48.16 | argent | Borg: ask the damn question! |
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| 13:48.47 | Borg | Ok, nr1: No need to be rude |
| 13:48.48 | jengelh | Called meta question. |
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| 13:49.25 | Borg | Nr2: I'm having a hard time with qStat wince it totaly refuses to query hls servers, running v2.10 |
| 13:49.58 | abrotman | wtf is qstat? |
| 13:50.19 | argent | !qstat |
| 13:50.19 | Borg | C software that is used to query gameservers |
| 13:50.46 | argent | ;) |
| 13:50.57 | abrotman | Borg: and it's in debian? |
| 13:51.00 | Borg | :P |
| 13:51.02 | sepski | poison, http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/en/oid/index.htm unfortunatly the oid's have changed tru history good luck |
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| 13:51.05 | Borg | No, it sin't |
| 13:51.09 | Borg | *isn't |
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| 13:51.17 | abrotman | Borg: the server is running debian? |
| 13:51.43 | Borg | No, overall.. |
| 13:52.00 | abrotman | Borg: so you just thought it'd be fun to come here and ask us ? |
| 13:52.00 | poison | sepski: if I try with the oid it still doesn't work on the 32bit machine |
| 13:52.02 | jhaig | Would it be possible to install Sarge using a Woody CD? I can install via ftp, but I don't seem to have a Sarge boot disk to hand. |
| 13:52.09 | Borg | Just there isn't any forum, channel or anything.. Just took the risk of asking in here |
| 13:52.17 | abrotman | jhaig: you can install woody then dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 13:52.33 | Borg | abrotman I just asked if anyone had any experiance with it.. I could have just ignored the question |
| 13:52.35 | sepski | poison, that's very very strange can you poll any other oid |
| 13:52.49 | Borg | *I = You |
| 13:52.50 | poison | like system load? |
| 13:53.05 | sepski | poison, like anything just to see if you get a reply |
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| 13:53.14 | jhaig | abrotman: Thanks. Is that the only way? Would specifying a Sarge download site cause the install problems? |
| 13:53.28 | abrotman | prolly |
| 13:53.39 | jhaig | OK, thanks. |
| 13:53.54 | poison | sepski: the system load (a string) works |
| 13:54.09 | poison | UCD-SNMP-MIB::laLoad.2 = STRING: 0.27 |
| 13:54.25 | poison | and that's the same as on the 64bit machine |
| 13:55.25 | sepski | poison, then i have no idea why the other dont, ecept i'd verify that it actualy used the same numerical uid on both |
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| 13:57.00 | jayeola | hey chaps. can anyone see why my new kernel's not booting? http://pastebin.com/635807 |
| 13:57.02 | poison | snmpget -v 2c -c public web11.incrowd.be .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.16.1 on both machines, 32bit and 64bit, 32bit returns 0 and 64bit returns a real value |
| 13:57.58 | sepski | poison, then i have no clue. have never had a 64 bit |
| 13:58.23 | poison | but it could be a bug? |
| 13:58.45 | argent | jayeola: which entry doesn't boot? |
| 13:58.52 | abrotman | and what's the error |
| 13:58.59 | sepski | dont know |
| 13:59.08 | jayeola | argent: 2.6.12 |
| 13:59.10 | argent | jayeola: yeah., and what's the error that you get |
| 13:59.12 | leoboiko | I rebooted and try again, and the invalid instruction errors disappeared. |
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| 13:59.38 | jayeola | argent: "along the lines of file not found" |
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| 13:59.58 | jayeola | not sure which file it's looking for though |
| 13:59.59 | abrotman | so look in /boot/ .. do those files exist ? |
| 14:00.04 | jayeola | yah |
| 14:00.07 | argent | jayeola: remove the first `title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.12' |
| 14:00.14 | jayeola | ah, |
| 14:00.28 | jayeola | sure that the title is not required? |
| 14:00.39 | argent | jayeola: you have two of them! |
| 14:00.49 | jayeola | all of the others have them |
| 14:00.49 | jayeola | hrm |
| 14:01.13 | argent | jayeola: http://pastebin.com/635813 |
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| 14:02.15 | jayeola | i see. |
| 14:02.18 | jayeola | thanks |
| 14:03.08 | jayeola | argent: actually that those two titles are a result of my bad pasting. there's only one "title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.12" line |
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| 14:04.16 | abrotman | cat juggling! |
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| 14:05.26 | asg | frozen cat snapping! |
| 14:05.36 | argent | abrotman: ?? |
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| 14:05.43 | wols_ | tarzeau: sure. if you weld handles on them |
| 14:05.43 | argent | !cut abrotman |
| 14:06.14 | tarzeau | wols_: huh? |
| 14:06.31 | wols_ | ever tried to juggle a cat without a handle? that HURTS |
| 14:06.52 | argent | wols_: ?? |
| 14:06.53 | wols_ | tho. chalk it up once more to my oncoming senility... |
| 14:07.27 | abrotman | argent: you've never seen "The Jerk" ? |
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| 14:07.59 | argent | abrotman: nope |
| 14:08.18 | abrotman | argent: you're missing out! ask asg |
| 14:08.33 | argent | abrotman: asg who? |
| 14:08.37 | darsie | I can't get my squirrelmail to connect to my uw-imapd@localhost:993. I tried what I found, but it doesn't help. |
| 14:08.53 | argent | darsie: you use qmail? |
| 14:08.58 | darsie | exim |
| 14:09.13 | darsie | but that's not involved. |
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| 14:09.48 | argent | !squirrelmail |
| 14:09.48 | dpkg | from memory, squirrelmail is at http://www.squirrelmail.org, or a very nice webmail application, written in PHP |
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| 14:10.44 | Howitzer | What is so good about mutt? |
| 14:10.49 | infernix | mutting |
| 14:10.57 | wols_ | darsie: can you still easily change imapd servers? if so, do it |
| 14:11.06 | Howitzer | isn't it just a simple command-line mailclient? |
| 14:11.16 | xoz | Howitzer: apt-get install mutt |
| 14:11.22 | wols_ | Howitzer: command line: yes. Simple: I don't think so... |
| 14:12.06 | jayeola | argent: i've found it.... there is no initrd.img for my shiney new 2.6.12 kernel, how do i go about creating one? |
| 14:12.07 | darsie | wols_: good plan, I want to. But I'm afraid that won't fix the problem. |
| 14:12.07 | wols_ | Howitzer: feature-wise are there not many, if any, GUI cluents comparable to it |
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| 14:12.07 | jayeola | funny that cos i made the kernel with `make && make modules_install && make install` |
| 14:12.08 | argent | jayeola: mkinitrd |
| 14:12.09 | argent | !mkinitrd |
| 14:12.12 | Howitzer | hmm |
| 14:12.17 | wols_ | darsie: my quess with squirrel is that it's the TLS which fucks things up |
| 14:12.18 | jayeola | ty! |
| 14:12.24 | darsie | wols_: unless, hmm, I use one that does plain text login which is ok via localhost. |
| 14:12.25 | Howitzer | is Pico also a mail-client? |
| 14:12.31 | jayeola | yes |
| 14:12.41 | wols_ | darsie: tho , cam uw-imag do digestmd5 or similar auth? |
| 14:12.41 | jayeola | !mkinitrd |
| 14:12.57 | wols_ | Howitzer: no. pico is part of a MUA. it's the shitty editor part |
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| 14:13.05 | Howitzer | oh |
| 14:13.15 | wols_ | pico is part of pine |
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| 14:13.24 | jayeola | dpkg: mkinitrd |
| 14:13.25 | argent | jayeola: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12 2.6.12 |
| 14:13.26 | prem | hi all |
| 14:13.27 | Howitzer | i read somewhere that pico had something to do with mail-client |
| 14:13.27 | jengelh | and pico is no shitty at all. maybe a little dated. |
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| 14:13.34 | Howitzer | ooh, pine, okay then |
| 14:13.39 | IquO | hi, can anyone help me?every time i recompile the kernel it recompile every thing so it takes a lot of time. Before it used to recompile just the changes made, what can this be? |
| 14:13.52 | jengelh | IquO : a bug in the kernel makefile system. |
| 14:14.00 | jengelh | it's been noticed and fixed |
| 14:14.12 | prem | is there any way i can get seamonkey debs for amd64 |
| 14:14.17 | IquO | jnegelh : thanks then, i'll download the new Makefile |
| 14:14.25 | jengelh | IquO : uh |
| 14:14.29 | jengelh | IquO : sure, if you know git |
| 14:14.32 | jayeola | argent: so i use `make && make modules_install && make install && mkinitrd -o /boo/initrd.img2.6.12 2.6.12` ? |
| 14:14.35 | jengelh | (it's a vanilla problem) |
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| 14:14.58 | argent | jayeola: nope. just `mkinitrd.....' |
| 14:15.08 | jayeola | thanks! |
| 14:16.02 | wols_ | darsie: at port 993 it's "IMAP over SSH". at port 143 it's plain localhost login |
| 14:16.51 | darsie | wols_: I know |
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| 14:17.38 | wols_ | darsie: then I misunderstood what you said earlier. if imapd and squirrel run on the same host, why bother with 993? |
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| 14:18.38 | darsie | wols_: IIRC, uwimapd won't do plain text login any more. Plus we want to use ssl with mozilla, etc. |
| 14:18.43 | IquO | jengelh :what did you mean with if i know git? |
| 14:19.00 | wols_ | darsie: you can listen on more than one port |
| 14:19.55 | darsie | wols_: I'll try that. |
| 14:20.09 | wols_ | at least with other imapds you can :) |
| 14:20.49 | leoboiko | "debootstrap: invalid tar magic" |
| 14:20.51 | jengelh | IquO : you said you wanted to download the new Makefile. And I said: if you know git, then you can do so. |
| 14:21.18 | argent | !git |
| 14:21.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, git is version control system that was started by Linus Toravalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel, http://git.or.cz/, or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
| 14:21.49 | jengelh | simply put, the Makefile (or better: the affected files) are not available as tarball yet. |
| 14:22.09 | IquO | jengelh :ah okei, sorry, not a good english speaker |
| 14:22.09 | jengelh | that would be with 2.6.17-rc1 |
| 14:22.46 | leoboiko | this is weird. I'm getting too much corruption-related errors. corrupted debs. partitions changing type, or mounting only read-only. illegal instruction when running mkfs. now "invalid tar magic". and I'm sure the cdrom iso checksum was correct, and installer's own cd integrity test passed. |
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| 14:23.57 | valdyn | !overclock |
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| 14:24.18 | Neverther | bios and nvclock for overclocking |
| 14:24.30 | jayeola | argent: thanks man! |
| 14:24.37 | dpkg | I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm. |
| 14:24.39 | argent | jayeola: working? |
| 14:24.42 | valdyn | leoboiko: you're overclocking or your hardware is broken anyway |
| 14:25.28 | jayeola | argent: working ^_^ respect to you, sire! |
| 14:25.40 | argent | jayeola: no probs |
| 14:26.03 | argent | jayeola: glad to help. |
| 14:26.26 | leoboiko | valdyn, I just buy this old powerbook; I don't think it's overclocked. it may be broken tho. as far as I tried, MacOS 8 seem to run without problems. |
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| 14:28.48 | leoboiko | I wish I could run something akin to memtest86. |
| 14:28.59 | valdyn | leoboiko: memtest |
| 14:29.08 | valdyn | leoboiko: i meant: "memtester" |
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| 14:29.45 | valdyn | leoboiko: but gcc is a real nice memory tester too |
| 14:29.51 | unity | hello does anyone know how to make mozilla-firebird only send plaintext mail and not html mail? i have to change from html format to plaintext format in every composition, and even when i change it to plaintext, i can still insert html-formatted text |
| 14:30.57 | valdyn | unity: ive had the same problem, its just on the non-obvious place in the GUI ( dont remember where ) |
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| 14:31.36 | mr_claus | hi, how i can use "for i in ./*; do ....." if there are blanks in directory names? |
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| 14:32.02 | tarzeau | mr_claus: "$i" ? |
| 14:32.20 | valdyn | mr_claus: for i in *; do someshit with "$i"; done |
| 14:32.29 | unity | mr_claus: #bash might also know |
| 14:32.42 | unity | mr_claus: although i agree with valdyn |
| 14:32.44 | asg | mr_claus: also, check the #bash faq at wooledge.org |
| 14:33.10 | mr_claus | i use "for i in $1; do ..." but it does not seem to work |
| 14:33.10 | jayeola | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.36 | valdyn | jayeola: that should be in the 'useless uses of ls' faq |
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| 14:33.46 | jayeola | heh |
| 14:33.54 | jayeola | :-/ |
| 14:34.13 | jayeola | but it works, no? |
| 14:34.15 | valdyn | jayeola: that will die too with spaces anyway, even if you used "$x" |
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| 14:35.01 | valdyn | jayeola: or i should say ' "$x" ' |
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| 14:35.37 | jayeola | http://www.jayeola.org/bin/gen/jnullspaces.sh a script i wrote earlier to remove spaces from file names... can be modified |
| 14:35.56 | valdyn | jayeola: so its bad as the information where filenames start and end gets lost.. |
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| 14:36.30 | unity | valdyn: i found what i was looking for, it was in the account settings for some reason |
| 14:36.47 | jayeola | while read line is the key... that's wha worked for me some time ago |
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| 14:40.36 | Phated | Erh, why not just use rename :) |
| 14:41.26 | jhaig | Hmmm, curious. I installed CentOS on a machine with the absolute basic install - 900M. Then Debian - 200M. What on earth made up the other 700M??? |
| 14:42.21 | me0w | do you understand that centos is redhat and debian is not ? |
| 14:42.40 | jhaig | me0w: Yes. |
| 14:43.02 | me0w | so you understand they use different tools ? which may have different dependencies ? |
| 14:43.09 | jhaig | I'm just surprised that an absolutely basic install obviously doesn't mean the same thing. |
| 14:43.17 | gnufan | jhaig: just list the packages -- I bet you got an Xserver and a desktop as part of the install |
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| 14:43.47 | me0w | and yes, the understanding of the work "basic" of the 2 projects differs |
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| 14:43.56 | jhaig | gnufan: It didn't have a desktop, but it did have some xorg packages, which I found odd. |
| 14:44.05 | syamajala3 | hi |
| 14:44.16 | syamajala3 | my friend has converted me to debian... |
| 14:44.45 | mr_claus | valdyn: for f in $(find $1 -maxdepth 1 -printf '"%f" '); do echo $f; done works not as expected |
| 14:45.07 | me0w | syamajala3: how rude of him. |
| 14:45.08 | mr_claus | valdyn: is it possible to escape the blanks while running find? |
| 14:45.21 | asg | jhaig: if you look at how aptitude vs apt-get installs packages, you'll see a difference since the latter doesn't automatically install Recommends: while the former does. In that light, I expect CentOS/RedHat does a similar thing. |
| 14:45.32 | syamajala3 | me0w: well i also converted him to archlinux |
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| 14:45.58 | asg | mr_claus: ... -print0 | xargs -0 ... |
| 14:46.12 | asg | mr_claus: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#head-bff7d13ecfd1cc1de03356ea519bb4796800e43d |
| 14:46.40 | syamajala3 | i like debootstrap |
| 14:46.43 | me0w | syamajala3: how rude of you |
| 14:48.06 | wols_ | jhaig: your debian install was vey heavy at 200 MB. that's not "basic" |
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| 14:49.29 | leoboiko | I always add ' |
| 14:49.34 | unity | hey what is the accepeted convention on this: 1000 bytes is a kilobyte but 1024 bytes is a Kilobyte? |
| 14:49.44 | leoboiko | damn cut and paste |
| 14:49.53 | jengelh | unity : Some people call it kibibyte. (sound stupid, just like the idea.) |
| 14:49.58 | xoz | !2^10 |
| 14:49.58 | dpkg | 8 |
| 14:50.01 | Madsy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte |
| 14:50.15 | leoboiko | I always add 'Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 14:50.17 | unity | thx xoz |
| 14:50.18 | jengelh | huh 2^10 == 1024 |
| 14:50.25 | asg | !2**10 |
| 14:50.25 | dpkg | 1024 |
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| 14:50.57 | jengelh | !log(2.718) |
| 14:50.59 | jhaig | wols_: Something is up, because /home apparently has 8M and it should be practically zero. |
| 14:51.08 | jengelh | !0 |
| 14:51.08 | dpkg | 0 is, like, 1, or 0, or a number damnit!! |
| 14:51.19 | me0w | !sex |
| 14:51.19 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 14:51.27 | jengelh | lol |
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| 14:51.29 | jengelh | [msg(dpkg)] 1+2 |
| 14:51.30 | jengelh | [dpkg] 4 |
| 14:51.30 | syamajala3 | i can share /var/cache/apt between systems right? |
| 14:51.31 | jengelh | [msg(dpkg)] 1+3 |
| 14:51.37 | jhaig | wols_: Anyway, it is an absolutely basic install with no packages. |
| 14:51.51 | jengelh | [dpkg] 4 |
| 14:51.51 | asg | syamajala3: provided they are the same version, yes |
| 14:51.54 | jengelh | Some bot is broken! |
| 14:51.59 | syamajala3 | ok |
| 14:52.05 | goron | Any idea of why I get this? cvs update: warning: cannot write to history file /cvs/CVSROOT/history: Read-only file system |
| 14:52.09 | syamajala3 | i have a few diskless systems |
| 14:52.19 | syamajala3 | so i like to share certain dirs between them |
| 14:52.19 | wols_ | jhaig: dpkg -l and then say that again |
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| 14:52.26 | goron | (besides the obvious read-only file system (which it is not)) |
| 14:52.28 | ma3x | why the hell when I encdode wit h 720:540 res. I get some horizontal interlaces? |
| 14:53.01 | asg | goron: did you check if it's not been remounted ro due to errors or are you just assuming it's rw since it was yesterday? |
| 14:53.23 | xoz | goron: cvs/ is owned by root? |
| 14:53.25 | goron | asg: The latter of course :P |
| 14:53.35 | asg | goron: you might want to check to be sure ;) |
| 14:54.05 | jhaig | wols: 'dpkg -l|grep ii|wc' says there are 135 packages installed. |
| 14:54.08 | asg | goron: apropos to this, my gateway box this morning was displaying 'EXT3-fs error (device hda2) in start_transaction: Readonly filesystem' on console when I woke up |
| 14:54.21 | goron | asg: /dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 14:54.53 | asg | goron: check the output of 'mount' and see if it says (rw) or (ro) |
| 14:55.12 | goron | asg: I just posted that to you. |
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| 14:55.16 | asg | goron: sorry, lagged :) |
| 14:55.18 | goron | I do get: EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 14:55.44 | goron | What the hell is a maximal mount count? |
| 14:55.44 | asg | goron: probably time to fsck it then. It can't hurt and will discount filesystem borkage |
| 14:56.01 | abrotman | goron: it's been mounted X number of times .. time to check the filesystem |
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| 14:56.19 | goron | abrotman: Ok, it's an indicator for usage. |
| 14:56.25 | abrotman | uh.. |
| 14:56.48 | goron | abrotman: Or is mounting a somewhat "dangerous" operation? |
| 14:57.02 | abrotman | depends on the mounted and mountee |
| 14:57.09 | asg | goron: mounting, unmounting, mounting, unmounting. After a while, you need to take a shower or you get sticky |
| 14:57.21 | syamajala3 | thanks |
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| 14:57.44 | goron | asg: I can run e2fsck in multi-user mode? |
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| 14:57.55 | asg | goron: only if the filesystem is unmounted first |
| 14:58.13 | goron | asg: What about my root fs? |
| 14:58.40 | asg | goron: you have to reboot to single user mode to do that or use 'shutdown' to take you to that init level before you can |
| 14:58.40 | abrotman | touch /forcefsck |
| 14:59.21 | goron | Ok, single user mode it is. |
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| 15:02.02 | mr_claus | asg: i don't understand how to handle it, -print0 | xargs 0 and use a command to replace the whitespace with \whitespace? |
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| 15:03.36 | asg | mr_claus: in that case, you are probably better off using 'rename' as Phated mentioned earlier |
| 15:03.36 | smcavoy | hello. when I run mkinitrd -o filename [kernel] I don't get the file created, and there are no error messages. any idea what might cause this? |
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| 15:04.25 | rhalff | how can I see what process is listening on a port |
| 15:04.33 | asg | rhalff: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 15:04.41 | mr_claus | asg: perhaps my problem is easier to solve and i try to use the wrong way |
| 15:04.47 | asg | mr_claus: perhaps |
| 15:04.56 | mr_claus | asg: i need to convert filenames from latin1 and cp850 to utf8 |
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| 15:05.13 | mr_claus | asg: i used convmv but there is no source detection included |
| 15:05.24 | mr_claus | asg: so i converted all files from latin1 to utf8 |
| 15:05.58 | asg | mr_claus: have you asked in #bash or are they all sleeping? |
| 15:06.01 | mr_claus | asg: now i need to parse all files and use tr to translate the wrong converted filenames (cp850) |
| 15:06.18 | mr_claus | asg: no i didn't ask there, i will do that, thx for your help |
| 15:06.27 | asg | mr_claus: you're welcome. |
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| 15:07.59 | dannythm | hi there |
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| 15:08.14 | dannythm | I have a problem |
| 15:08.24 | me0w | really ? |
| 15:08.32 | dannythm | me0w: yes |
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| 15:08.39 | pmjdebruijn | lo |
| 15:08.45 | me0w | I don't believe you |
| 15:08.45 | MasterOfOink | Danny: Just ask, please. |
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| 15:08.55 | abrotman | dannythm: again? |
| 15:08.58 | dannythm | MasterOfOink: lol |
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| 15:09.20 | dannythm | abrotman: not a real prbolem.. I dunno what to do wiz my comp... want to do anything, but all is right now... >< and I'm bored lol |
| 15:09.41 | pmjdebruijn | I want to create my own package containing /etc/motd /etc/issue /etc/issue.net and /etc/ssh/sshd_banner, but these files also belong to another package base-files and ssh |
| 15:09.41 | dannythm | me0w: you do right, ain't a confiable person |
| 15:09.43 | MasterOfOink | Danny: Might trying "aptitude install booze"? |
| 15:09.47 | abrotman | dannythm: so you're saying everything works ok .. and you want to break it ? |
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| 15:10.04 | abrotman | damn .. debian sucks . when stuff works right .. really gets my blood boiling! |
| 15:10.05 | dannythm | abrotman: If I wanted to do that I'll install experimental |
| 15:10.06 | pmjdebruijn | will my 'new' files be overwritten when these original packages are upgraded |
| 15:10.08 | me0w | hmm... |
| 15:10.08 | MasterOfOink | It worked for me. |
| 15:10.10 | me0w | install windows |
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| 15:10.46 | abrotman | pmjdebruijn: read the packager's guide or ask #debian-mentors |
| 15:10.51 | abrotman | !mg |
| 15:10.51 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 15:10.57 | MasterOfOink | !beer dannythm |
| 15:11.16 | MasterOfOink | Cheers |
| 15:11.17 | me0w | !love me0w |
| 15:11.20 | dannythm | MasterOfOink: I cant take booze now, I'm alone |
| 15:11.32 | me0w | (^_^) |
| 15:11.37 | pmjdebruijn | abrotman, well I've _superficially_ read the maint-guide... |
| 15:11.54 | me0w | pass it over MasterOfOink |
| 15:12.02 | dannythm | me0w: I have windows vista beta installe dtoo...a nd OSx86... I have reached all my aspirations in a computer |
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| 15:12.14 | MasterOfOink | Thanks, meow. Cheers. (hips) |
| 15:12.23 | me0w | OSx86 ? heh .. were you stoned ? j/k |
| 15:12.40 | dannythm | MasterOfOink: well... if we are two, then I can drink with no prob! lol |
| 15:12.49 | me0w | did you try BSD ? what about HP-UX ? Tru64 ? AIX ? |
| 15:13.07 | abrotman | pmjdebruijn: maybe dpkg-divert ? |
| 15:13.15 | me0w | Plan9 ? |
| 15:13.23 | dannythm | me0w: I tryed freebsd and it wasn't for me now, I have to get new hardware |
| 15:13.42 | pmjdebruijn | abrotman, I'll look into it, thanks |
| 15:13.51 | MasterOfOink | Danny: Want some *real* database? Install Orcraple, maybe? |
| 15:13.54 | abrotman | pmjdebruijn: also #debian-mentors |
| 15:13.54 | dannythm | me0w: and BEOS too... in this computer this is all what I want... but I want to do more |
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| 15:14.07 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:14.50 | E-bola | Does the stock sarge kernel have the stuff iproute2 needs compiled in? |
| 15:14.54 | dannythm | me0w: HP-UX works in standard PC's? |
| 15:15.00 | abrotman | no |
| 15:15.11 | pmjdebruijn | dannyp_, no only on HP hardware |
| 15:15.12 | abrotman | E-bola: maybe 2.6 ? |
| 15:15.22 | dannythm | ah... as I thougt lol |
| 15:15.27 | abrotman | HPUX runs on parisc and itanic |
| 15:15.29 | E-bola | abrotman: ohh sory, i meant he 2.6.8 that sarge lets u install |
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| 15:15.39 | Shadowcat | !u |
| 15:15.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:15.40 | abrotman | E-bola: what makes you think it doesn't work |
| 15:15.53 | E-bola | abrotman: i dont tihnk it doesnt work, im just asking |
| 15:16.03 | Shadowcat | E-bola: here's a thought |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | Shadowcat: where were you yesterday ... |
| 15:16.12 | E-bola | I need to figure out how to do policy routing |
| 15:16.16 | Shadowcat | cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig |
| 15:16.20 | Shadowcat | and find out if it's in there |
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| 15:16.29 | pmjdebruijn | E-bola, have you looking into quagga? |
| 15:16.32 | E-bola | shadowcat: quicker to ask somebody who knows? |
| 15:16.32 | Shadowcat | abrotman: hiding |
| 15:16.49 | Shadowcat | E-bola: yes we obviously spend our spare time memorizing the debian stock kernel configuration |
| 15:16.49 | E-bola | pmjdebruijn: never even heard of it |
| 15:16.52 | abrotman | !kernel configs |
| 15:16.53 | dpkg | hmm... kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 15:16.55 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:17.00 | E-bola | Shadowcat: im sure somebody does.... |
| 15:17.13 | Shadowcat | E-bola: it's your time to waste |
| 15:17.14 | Shadowcat | not ours |
| 15:17.15 | pmjdebruijn | E-bola, you might want to google for it, I'm not sure, but you might be able to implement policy routing with quagga |
| 15:17.39 | E-bola | pmjdebruijn: do u ahve much firewall/routing experience? |
| 15:17.50 | E-bola | Im having a hard time getting a dual wan setup running in debian |
| 15:17.57 | sepski | E-bola, quagga is a fork of zebra, it's a suite of routing daemons for dynamicaly adding routes to your kernels. or not worth the time unless you ahve 3++++ routers |
| 15:17.59 | E-bola | dual wan as in 2 different isp's |
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| 15:18.31 | E-bola | The only solution i found besides trying to setup iproute manualy, was shorewall |
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| 15:18.43 | sepski | !split access |
| 15:18.44 | dpkg | hmm... split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the dirst step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets |
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| 15:18.45 | E-bola | and shorewall requires some kernel stuff which isnt in my stock kernel |
| 15:19.00 | pmjdebruijn | E-bola, mediocre, but not really with Linux/Quagga |
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| 15:19.10 | MasterOfOink | ebola: What kind of kernel do you run? 2.4.27 should work fine. |
| 15:19.26 | E-bola | 2.6.8 |
| 15:19.39 | E-bola | not selfcompiled jsut the kernel.image from apt-get |
| 15:19.56 | sepski | E-bola, http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 15:20.15 | MasterOfOink | Ouch - this is quite old. I refrained updating my firewall to 2.6.8 because of some issues there. |
| 15:20.17 | unity | does anyone know how to inhibit the pc speaker beeps when i recieve a message from syslog@localhost |
| 15:20.19 | E-bola | sepski: i dont want to do load balancing though |
| 15:20.29 | unity | or how to block out such messages altogether |
| 15:20.29 | sepski | E-bola, then dont do the final step |
| 15:20.30 | E-bola | i want to split up traffic in VPN and everything else |
| 15:20.36 | E-bola | so vpn users have their own line |
| 15:21.08 | sepski | E-bola, that's split access |
| 15:21.08 | E-bola | sepski: reading it now.... |
| 15:21.12 | sepski | !split access |
| 15:21.12 | dpkg | i heard split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the dirst step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets |
| 15:21.13 | MasterOfOink | 2.6.8 does not have any ipsec0 interfaces. No separate zone in shorewall possible this way. |
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| 15:22.34 | E-bola | sepski: heh that seems so simple... |
| 15:22.39 | sepski | E-bola, it is |
| 15:22.51 | E-bola | MasterOfOink: vpn server is a windows box |
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| 15:23.05 | E-bola | which i need to nat and forward the connections to |
| 15:23.15 | sepski | E-bola, it's just a separate routing table for each interface. and you make the different sevices listen to whatever interface you want it to work on |
| 15:23.20 | E-bola | sepski: how does that page co-incide wityh a normal nat setup? |
| 15:23.37 | E-bola | it needs to be able to nat the connections and hgave them go back out on the same interface they came in on |
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| 15:24.18 | sepski | E-bola, a sure fire way tro get it right would be 1 to 1 nat. |
| 15:24.44 | sepski | E-bola, or just DNAT from vpn intyerface to vpn server and masq vpn server to that interface |
| 15:25.01 | sepski | and easier in shorewall |
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| 15:25.37 | E-bola | hmmm |
| 15:25.56 | E-bola | but 1:1 nat is still a problem when i have 2 gateways? |
| 15:25.59 | MasterOfOink | But how do you declare separate zones on one interface? |
| 15:26.19 | MasterOfOink | In shorewall each zone belongs to one interface. |
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| 15:26.41 | sepski | E-bola, no. 1to1 nat is a problem if you have only 1 ip address. but since you wanted to dedicate that 1 link to vpn it woudnt be a problem for you |
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| 15:27.00 | E-bola | sepski: i see ur point, but isnt it still a problem on the firewall it self? |
| 15:27.06 | E-bola | i mean what routing woudl be needed? |
| 15:27.15 | goron | asg: When I go to single user mode, the root fs still is mounted, and I can't unmount it. (which makes sense). So how can I check the root fs? |
| 15:27.41 | E-bola | if u have 2 def gateways (which u get by default when ifup'ing the new interface) it dont work |
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| 15:27.47 | sepski | E-bola, you must think of your 2 interfaces as separate. with their own routing tables. everything including the router goes out one interface, vpn to and from the vpn box goes on the other |
| 15:28.05 | E-bola | sepski: so u mean do the split thing the link describes AND do 1:1 nat? |
| 15:28.07 | bab_ | Hello! I have installed the official ATI driver (8.23.7), and I am now getting the right screen resolution. Problem is, I'm not getting any 3D acceleration. Is the ATI driver supposed to install into the Mesa system, and so mesa then can talk to the card? |
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| 15:28.18 | ice_1963 | i need to get a good firewall going here |
| 15:28.19 | sepski | E-bola, you have a default gw on eatch table. you also have a global default gw pointing to the routingtable of the general traffic table |
| 15:28.31 | abrotman | bab_: ask #ati |
| 15:28.47 | sepski | E-bola, the split access is requiered as the basis nomatter how you choose to solve your nat/vpn issue |
| 15:28.58 | abrotman | might he get more help in #iptables ? |
| 15:29.00 | E-bola | sepski: well what u describe is what i want. Im just not 100% sure how to achive it |
| 15:29.04 | sepski | E-bola, with the possible exception of arp proxying |
| 15:29.24 | E-bola | sepski: so i follow that guide for split access |
| 15:29.28 | abrotman | !tell E-bola about u |
| 15:29.43 | E-bola | u is faster than you |
| 15:29.47 | E-bola | im saving u bw |
| 15:29.54 | E-bola | :) |
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| 15:30.33 | abrotman | and it makes you look like a total idiot |
| 15:31.04 | E-bola | If you judge me as a total idiot because i write u instaid of you, i am ok with that |
| 15:31.11 | sepski | E-bola, the 2 urls i gave you are exactly the same thing. only with one beeing a debianized interfaces file. the other beeing a general explanation using generaly available tools. but they do the same thing |
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| 15:31.23 | sepski | E-bola, we do actualy :) |
| 15:31.35 | E-bola | sepski: yep they are both great, i think i understand that part |
| 15:31.47 | E-bola | now im wondering what firewall/iptables script to use |
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| 15:31.53 | E-bola | i prefer a script instaid of writing them manualy |
| 15:31.56 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
| 15:32.36 | sepski | E-bola, i'd use shorewall |
| 15:32.51 | abrotman | i'd write all my iptables rules by hand! |
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| 15:32.55 | goron | abrotman: I went to single user mode. I did umount -a. How do I umount the root fs and still be able to check it? |
| 15:32.56 | E-bola | Yep ive been looking at shorewall, it even supports multiple uplinks out of the box |
| 15:33.05 | sepski | E-bola, my split access is a host not a gw so i dont do any iptables on it at all |
| 15:33.06 | E-bola | But what stopped me was missing support int he debian stock kernel |
| 15:33.23 | E-bola | http://www.shorewall.net/MultiISP.html |
| 15:33.25 | abrotman | goron: i told you before .. touch /forcefsck .. and reboot the machine |
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| 15:33.46 | E-bola | sepski: the proiblem is i dont tihnk ur aproach would work for a nat/gw |
| 15:33.46 | goron | abrotman: shutdown -F does the same, I guess. It's not possible without a reboot? |
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| 15:34.03 | E-bola | since shorewall seems to need some kernel stuff for that, which is a bit more complicated |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | goron: you can fsck a mounted filesystem . but it can make a total mess out of it |
| 15:34.20 | goron | I thought Linux was all about not having to reboot.. |
| 15:34.38 | modulus | hi, does the iso image contained in http://people.debian.org/~shane/netinst-speakup support any software synthesizer? |
| 15:34.50 | bronze | goron, you don't have to reboot, just go to single user mode. |
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| 15:35.01 | abrotman | single user still has / mounted |
| 15:35.06 | goron | bronze: I did... |
| 15:35.11 | goron | bronze: see abrotman |
| 15:35.13 | bronze | yes it does. |
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| 15:35.20 | abrotman | he's trying to fsck / |
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| 15:35.49 | sepski | E-bola, Shorewall will set up the routing and will update the /etc/iproute2/rt_tables to include the table names and number of the tables that it adds. in oter words shorewall does it in exactly the same way |
| 15:36.05 | bronze | ja, then you mount your alternate "/ from another device and unmount "/" (opposite order...) |
| 15:36.22 | sepski | E-bola, if you read the bottom of the split access page youll notice that it said he had to recomile 2.4 kernel |
| 15:36.43 | sepski | E-bola, but i use the 2.6 kernel so i can use the stock debian sarge kernel package |
| 15:36.47 | goron | bronze: Ok, that is a solution, but how many people have such a setup? |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | bronze: or touch /forcefsck .. and reboot :) |
| 15:36.55 | bronze | not me :-) |
| 15:37.03 | abrotman | goron: of course .. if it's remote .. that won't work so well |
| 15:37.08 | modulus | it would work though |
| 15:37.14 | E-bola | sepski: the stock 2.6 kernel dont have connmark match and target though |
| 15:37.21 | bronze | but its not practicle. Sometimes you do have to reboot. |
| 15:37.25 | E-bola | which is what shorewall wants to be able to split access and nat |
| 15:37.28 | goron | abrotman: Why not? |
| 15:37.29 | bronze | practical. |
| 15:37.36 | goron | abrotman: Because of user interaction? |
| 15:37.39 | abrotman | goron: what if it needs interaction from you? |
| 15:37.46 | sepski | E-bola, that i woudnt know, but i didnt have to compile in CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES atlest |
| 15:37.46 | goron | heh |
| 15:37.58 | goron | abrotman: You can use expect for that, I guess. |
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| 15:38.07 | abrotman | goron: ok .. have fun! |
| 15:38.17 | goron | abrotman: In theory ;) |
| 15:38.30 | goron | abrotman: Thanks |
| 15:38.35 | modulus | yeah, you could also write AI to administer the machine for you ;-) |
| 15:38.43 | sepski | E-bola, yes. but i am telling you that if you did 1to 1 nat you wount have to worry about such a thing. since you'd use 1 interface for everything ... except the traffic for the vpn server |
| 15:38.47 | pmjdebruijn | E-bola, hmm I wandered into this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/379 |
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| 15:39.26 | goron | modulus: Operating systems shouldn't need an administrator for tasks other than adding users/granting rights. |
| 15:39.51 | modulus | how about installing software, setting system-wide defaults, etc? |
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| 15:40.26 | goron | modulus: With current disks, I think users can just install their own libs. |
| 15:40.37 | crypt_ex | is there a command to find out if your Nic is using 10Mb or 100Mb connection? |
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| 15:40.43 | modulus | that would suck major inefficiency |
| 15:40.43 | abrotman | mii-tool |
| 15:40.57 | E-bola | pmjdebruijn: looks interesting.. reading.... |
| 15:41.09 | goron | modulus: If you say so.... |
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| 15:41.34 | modulus | well, say you have 50 users and they all have their gtk or qt libs, wouldn't that suck arse? |
| 15:41.34 | pmjdebruijn | E-bola, i'm not sure if it helps, I just ran acros it |
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| 15:42.18 | abrotman | bah ... dpkg died |
| 15:42.37 | goron | abrotman: Don't I need a file called /forcefsck for touch /forcefsck? I don't have one. Or should I just create one? |
| 15:42.42 | sepski | pmjdebruijn, that page also describes the exact same thing with more words in between |
| 15:42.52 | E-bola | pmjdebruijn: he uses 2 lines form same isp, so he has only 1 gateway :/ |
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| 15:42.57 | abrotman | goron: you can create it to force an fsck on reboot |
| 15:42.59 | modulus | hmm, so no info on http://people.debian.org/~shane/netinst-speakup ? i guess i shall just dl the iso and see if there's docs inside |
| 15:43.10 | goron | abrotman: ok |
| 15:43.17 | myboxen | gmorning all |
| 15:43.24 | pmjdebruijn | sepski, could be... :) |
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| 15:43.41 | crypt_ex | I dont think my NIC is using 100Mb, how can I enable this, as its only using 10Mb so far? |
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| 15:43.46 | abrotman | mii-tool |
| 15:44.04 | modulus | assuming your switch/hub if any supports it |
| 15:44.16 | modulus | and likewise if you're plugging onto some other nic |
| 15:44.22 | crypt_ex | yea the switch does support it |
| 15:44.27 | pmjdebruijn | crypt_ex, you might want to check your switch/hub settings if it's a managed switch |
| 15:44.29 | sepski | crypt_ex, if you use mii-tool to lock it to 100 Full you must do the same at the switch |
| 15:44.48 | crypt_ex | reset the network then? |
| 15:44.50 | sepski | crypt_ex, since the RFC default for a failed autoneg is to fallback to 10 Half |
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| 15:45.00 | crypt_ex | cool |
| 15:45.00 | crypt_ex | ta |
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| 15:45.08 | sepski | crypt_ex, so either lock at both ends or autoneg at both end |
| 15:45.14 | myboxen | crypt_ex: mii-tool takes effect immediately |
| 15:45.26 | E-bola | pmjdebruijn: it has great links at the bottom |
| 15:45.42 | pmjdebruijn | E-bola, okay... :) |
| 15:45.46 | modulus | ok, see you all, i'll let dpkg know about this iso if i work something out ;-) |
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| 15:45.57 | abrotman | oddly mii-tool doesn't work on wifi connections :) |
| 15:46.32 | sepski | E-bola, fwmark is in 2.6.8 in sarge so you should not be too severly hapered |
| 15:46.37 | myboxen | wifi connections dont have duples settings |
| 15:46.45 | sepski | abrotman, you want to lock it too 100 Full ? :) |
| 15:46.49 | abrotman | myboxen: no kidding .. you think? |
| 15:46.55 | myboxen | :) |
| 15:47.06 | abrotman | sepski: i wish i could still use 10base2 :) |
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| 15:47.31 | blondie | HELLO |
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| 15:47.40 | abrotman | blondie: HI HOW ARE YOU? |
| 15:47.45 | abrotman | where's antgel |
| 15:47.50 | blondie | IM BORED |
| 15:47.56 | abrotman | blondie: FIX BUGS! |
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| 15:48.03 | blondie | I CANT |
| 15:48.04 | blondie | :( |
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| 15:48.22 | sepski | abrotman, want to pay for my old 8port 10Mbit hub with 10base2 coax on the back. ? :)) |
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| 15:48.30 | LemMinG | ello all |
| 15:48.33 | E-bola | sepski: well shorewall requires connmark for multiple uplinks to work in a nat setup |
| 15:48.34 | blondie | HI |
| 15:48.38 | E-bola | and on my stock debian 2.6.8 |
| 15:48.42 | LemMinG | need some help getting wireless support working under sarge |
| 15:48.44 | E-bola | the capabilities check returns: |
| 15:48.46 | E-bola | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.46 | sepski | you can get the thinlan cable stripper cheap too |
| 15:48.46 | E-bola | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.50 | blondie | LemMinG: are you from that game? :O |
| 15:48.56 | LemMinG | it says i need wireless support in my kernel |
| 15:49.05 | LemMinG | no blondie but i am very much like them |
| 15:49.09 | blondie | cute! |
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| 15:49.11 | abrotman | sepski: you know .. i used to have an old SPARC that had AUI so i needed a transciever to use it on an RJ45 network .. playing with old network equipment sucks :) |
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| 15:49.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:49.25 | LemMinG | !popcon |
| 15:49.29 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:49.35 | tarzeau | !POPCORN |
| 15:49.37 | TheCommunist | hi |
| 15:49.41 | streuner | apt, popcon |
| 15:49.43 | apt | well, popcon is rumour has it, popularity contest is http://popcon.debian.org/, or install popularity-contest to take part |
| 15:49.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: you killed him .. i hope you're happy |
| 15:49.50 | LemMinG | so yeah how do i get wireless support into my kernel |
| 15:49.53 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 15:49.56 | Xteven | E-bola : you will need patch-o-matic to patch the kernel and iptables |
| 15:50.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: the bot is not responding |
| 15:50.10 | abrotman | LemMinG: for what chipset? |
| 15:50.11 | E-bola | Xteven: i think its out of patch-o-matic |
| 15:50.17 | E-bola | its included in newest kernels |
| 15:50.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: you raped her? |
| 15:50.18 | LemMinG | wireless chipset? |
| 15:50.25 | LemMinG | atmel at76c503a |
| 15:50.26 | Xteven | E-bola : ah could be |
| 15:50.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm |
| 15:50.28 | E-bola | IS there anywhere u can get kernel-images for debian? |
| 15:50.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just went to drink something and you rape her! |
| 15:50.33 | E-bola | Of newer kernels? |
| 15:50.38 | abrotman | @tell e-bola about u |
| 15:50.42 | tarzeau | E-bola: yes make your own |
| 15:50.45 | LemMinG | abrotman i have the driver for it |
| 15:50.50 | tarzeau | E-bola: www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/ |
| 15:50.50 | abrotman | you do? |
| 15:50.52 | LemMinG | but it's showing up as eth1 not wlan0 |
| 15:50.57 | abrotman | so what? |
| 15:50.59 | abrotman | just use it |
| 15:50.59 | netman1 | Is there a good way to handle arguments with spaces with xargs? Like with "find /sys ! -type d | xargs ls -al" |
| 15:51.03 | LemMinG | ok... |
| 15:51.04 | E-bola | tarzeau: takes along time and i dont got time to debug it, i woudl prefer to just download one |
| 15:51.13 | tarzeau | netman1: it just does? |
| 15:51.15 | LemMinG | apart from the minor fact it's not working |
| 15:51.17 | abrotman | LemMinG: my wifi is eth1 too |
| 15:51.20 | tarzeau | E-bola: amd64? |
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| 15:51.26 | tarzeau | E-bola: i can put mine online if you have amd64 |
| 15:51.26 | LemMinG | how do i get the interfaces file to reload? |
| 15:51.32 | netman1 | tarzeau: No it does not. ;-) |
| 15:51.32 | E-bola | tarzeau: no, a normal p4, the problem was my promise controller |
| 15:51.37 | sepski | E-bola, connmark isnt' that a iptables thing ? not a kernel thing ? or is it just me mixing track and mark ? |
| 15:51.44 | tarzeau | E-bola: see, i don't have p4. i have a normal amd64 |
| 15:51.54 | tarzeau | E-bola: you want to build your own, just build it, it'll work |
| 15:52.00 | E-bola | sepski: im not quite sure, i couldnt find any good info on it |
| 15:52.13 | tarzeau | E-bola: i'll not waste time compiling kernels for hardware i don't have |
| 15:52.13 | E-bola | tarzeau: umm no i dont want to build my own |
| 15:52.16 | E-bola | i want to download it |
| 15:52.24 | tarzeau | E-bola: got sid? |
| 15:52.28 | E-bola | nope sarge |
| 15:52.31 | abrotman | E-bola: backports.org |
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| 15:52.40 | sepski | E-bola, since my 2.6.8 stock config claim CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_MARK=m |
| 15:52.40 | sepski | CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MARK=m |
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| 15:53.34 | E-bola | sepski: any chance u coudl test the "shorewall show capabilities" triggeR? |
| 15:53.41 | tarzeau | E-bola: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 15:53.43 | sepski | http://home.regit.org/?page_id=7 |
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| 15:53.59 | sepski | E-bola, seams you need 2.6.12 or later so just grab a kernel from backports.org |
| 15:54.14 | E-bola | tarzeau: cool! |
| 15:54.29 | E-bola | tarzeau: any way to see what config was used? |
| 15:54.36 | tarzeau | E-bola: yes, inside the deb |
| 15:54.41 | batounet | hi |
| 15:54.43 | tarzeau | E-bola: there's /boot/config-* |
| 15:54.49 | E-bola | sepski: i hope its enabled on the backports.org kernels then |
| 15:54.54 | E-bola | tarzeau: thanks |
| 15:55.00 | sepski | E-bola, you migth want to grab the backpiorts of iptables too |
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| 15:55.10 | E-bola | Damm i wish i was at the server, cant really upgrade kernel remotely |
| 15:55.17 | tarzeau | E-bola: why not? |
| 15:55.20 | sepski | E-bola, you can look at the config file located in /boot/ too see how it was compiled |
| 15:55.29 | E-bola | tarzeau: if it crash i cant get it back? |
| 15:55.38 | tarzeau | E-bola: depends what hardware you have |
| 15:55.41 | abrotman | bah .. why are people never around anymore! |
| 15:55.50 | E-bola | tarzeau: how so? |
| 15:55.56 | tarzeau | E-bola: some people have serial consoles, and power supply devices with an ip address |
| 15:55.58 | E-bola | u mean like remote controlled reboot devices? |
| 15:56.02 | tarzeau | E-bola: exactly |
| 15:56.02 | tyler_ | one qn: why is it that i heard u can "rip" an mp3 file onto a normal cd.. n it can hold 200 songs... 3mb average per mp3 in a normal 600mb cd rom... but i can only burn 17-18 songs in mp3 format onto a cd rom with nero, whats the deal here? |
| 15:56.05 | E-bola | ya, we dont have that on this server |
| 15:56.10 | E-bola | unfortunately |
| 15:56.19 | tarzeau | E-bola: you can do it right, and then it'll work? |
| 15:56.25 | smcavoy | is devfs no longer used in 2.6.15? I compiled a kernel from kernel.org for sarge and got a could not find dev/console error |
| 15:56.26 | tarzeau | E-bola: if it doesn't. you fucked it up |
| 15:56.39 | LemMinG | can anyone help me get this thing working |
| 15:56.42 | E-bola | tarzeau: since its monday tomorrow i cant really risk that :) |
| 15:56.46 | LemMinG | i got the package down and installed the driver |
| 15:56.53 | tarzeau | E-bola: how far is it from you? |
| 15:56.56 | LemMinG | but i can't ping anything or get it to connect |
| 15:56.59 | E-bola | Hmm im THIS close to driving over there :) |
| 15:57.02 | sepski | tyler_, mp3 is compressed digital data audio on cd is PCM modulated audio. apples and oranges. |
| 15:57.03 | abrotman | smcavoy: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html |
| 15:57.07 | E-bola | tarzeau: bout 50mins in car |
| 15:57.12 | tarzeau | E-bola: i'd only do it if i was on hawaii islands |
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| 15:57.24 | tarzeau | and the work place was unreachable. make sure you turn off your mobile phone |
| 15:57.33 | tarzeau | and that you're not reachable by mail |
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| 15:57.52 | E-bola | tarzeau: well its complex, i setup a temp solution this friday, simply using a second firewall for the second wan link |
| 15:58.03 | smcavoy | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:58.05 | E-bola | problem is it seems to timeout ont he forwarded vpn connections |
| 15:58.05 | sepski | E-bola, so you can upgrade it remotely. and if you fail... then you can drive over then and fix it |
| 15:58.19 | E-bola | sepski: hmm stop tempting me! :P |
| 15:58.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems dead |
| 15:58.36 | tarzeau | apt reboot dpkg |
| 15:58.37 | apt | ACTION pushes dpkg's reset button |
| 15:58.40 | tarzeau | heh :) |
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| 15:59.02 | E-bola | sepski: dont u agree that if a stock 2.6.8 kernel works with my hardware a backport.org one should too? |
| 15:59.23 | sepski | E-bola, i'd assume so |
| 15:59.34 | E-bola | fuck it |
| 15:59.38 | E-bola | i dont got anything better to do :) |
| 15:59.44 | magyar | ~Andrew Nady |
| 15:59.46 | magyar | Account Manager. |
| 15:59.46 | magyar | Primary Support Systems Inc. |
| 15:59.46 | magyar | page: 416-736-4888 |
| 15:59.46 | magyar | main: 416-736-4889 |
| 15:59.46 | magyar | fax: 416-736-4890 |
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| 16:00.24 | magyar | i hate paste |
| 16:00.42 | LemMinG | abrotman when i try to set the ssid it says that the operation is not supported on the device |
| 16:00.44 | LemMinG | any ideas? |
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| 16:00.53 | sepski | E-bola, ofcouse if you claim "sepski on #debian @ freenode" said so im afraid you'll see your ass fiered quicker then you can type autch!! |
| 16:01.05 | magyar | hi , how can i do a count of five before the execution continues? |
| 16:01.07 | sepski | rule1 : never trust madmed on irc :) |
| 16:01.16 | E-bola | sepski: too late, im holding you resposible |
| 16:01.23 | E-bola | :) |
| 16:01.33 | sepski | E-bola, i'd recoment reading the instructino son backports.org and doing it thatway |
| 16:01.39 | sepski | not manually. |
| 16:01.49 | E-bola | instructions for what? |
| 16:01.49 | abrotman | mage_: sleep |
| 16:01.50 | sepski | but then again im just another madman in #debian :))) |
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| 16:01.52 | E-bola | downloading backports? |
| 16:01.53 | abrotman | magyar: sleep |
| 16:02.06 | sepski | http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 16:02.16 | abrotman | READING IS HARD! |
| 16:02.19 | magyar | abrotman: go it, thanks |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | blondie: let's go shopping! |
| 16:02.25 | sepski | then install using apt-get -t sarge-backports |
| 16:02.44 | E-bola | sepski: how is that different than just wget'ing it and dpkg-i ? |
| 16:02.46 | sepski | E-bola, you can hold me responsibe but it wont help you any *muahahahahah !!!!* |
| 16:02.47 | jc750kwak | I'm using Sarge and trying to get Kmail to send emails via AOL in the UK. I can receive mails okay from imap.uk.aol.com but cannot write and send them via smtp.uk.aol.com. I have to go online and use AOL's web mail to send mails. Anyone able to help |
| 16:02.48 | blondie | ok o.O |
| 16:02.57 | sepski | we just sit here all day long telling people to rm -rf / |
| 16:02.58 | tarzeau | E-bola: it's fine, just dpkg -i it |
| 16:03.16 | E-bola | i actualy did a rm -rf * in root once |
| 16:03.16 | E-bola | :) |
| 16:03.16 | wols_ | E-bola: I'd get a official debian sarge kernel source. change what you need and only that, then do your own kernel |
| 16:03.17 | tarzeau | sepski: isn't that too obvious |
| 16:03.18 | abrotman | jc750kwak: smtp auth ? |
| 16:03.19 | sepski | E-bola, if you dont know that you could just as well use redhat ... dependences |
| 16:03.40 | E-bola | wols: i tried using a kernel.org source with a debian .config |
| 16:03.42 | E-bola | didnt work |
| 16:03.56 | sepski | wols_, the thing he needs isn't in 2.6.8 2.6.12 and later only |
| 16:04.05 | wols_ | oh |
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| 16:04.10 | tarzeau | sepski: try `echo "/ fr- mr"|rev` |
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| 16:04.24 | sepski | tarzeau, :) |
| 16:04.31 | abrotman | feed me! |
| 16:04.39 | tarzeau | apt breastfeed abrotman |
| 16:04.40 | apt | ACTION gives abrotman the right nipple |
| 16:05.02 | E-bola | hmm sepski |
| 16:05.10 | E-bola | dpkh tells me: "I have been unable to find a suitable tool for generating initrd images" |
| 16:05.20 | tarzeau | E-bola: haha |
| 16:05.23 | sepski | E-bola, i told you this already silly boy |
| 16:05.24 | tarzeau | E-bola: i hate initrd kernels |
| 16:05.34 | E-bola | ok apt-get it is then |
| 16:05.36 | wols_ | tarzeau: rightfully so |
| 16:05.39 | tarzeau | E-bola: are your machines so slow that you don't want to just compile it? |
| 16:05.56 | E-bola | tarzeau: yes |
| 16:06.05 | E-bola | it took 35mins with the kerne.org source |
| 16:06.07 | tarzeau | E-bola: a p4 slow? |
| 16:06.18 | tarzeau | E-bola: just do it once, with make-kpkg then |
| 16:06.25 | LemMinG | someone please help me with this, i am stumped, have done everything i can think of and have searched heaps on google |
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| 16:07.02 | LemMinG | i have installed the drivers package that is in the debian packages repository and it's picked the device up and can see it but i can't get it to connect to the wireless network |
| 16:07.27 | LemMinG | if i try to set any of the wireless settings it just says "operation not supported |
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| 16:09.54 | sepski | LemMinG, i woudnt know i wire all my debian' |
| 16:10.08 | LemMinG | sepski i'd LOVE to be able to do that |
| 16:10.14 | LemMinG | not a possibility unfortunately |
| 16:10.29 | LemMinG | modem is at the other end of the house and i'm not allowed to run network cables |
| 16:11.21 | E-bola | hmmm |
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| 16:11.38 | DHX | hello |
| 16:11.55 | LemMinG | grrr, might have to go buy some of those powerline-network adapters at this rate |
| 16:13.56 | E-bola | sepski: it requires like 7-8 packages |
| 16:14.08 | E-bola | is that normal, busybox-cvs udev and some others |
| 16:14.14 | DHX | i got this error using maildrop with the mysql support: maildrop: Invalid user specified. if someone can help me a little .. |
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| 16:14.54 | sepski | E-bola, aye. the recent kernels sure do depends on a lot of stuff. |
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| 16:15.54 | abrotman | LemMinG: in your /etc/networking/interfaces file .. do you have a line like "wireless-essid <SSID>" |
| 16:16.03 | LemMinG | nope |
| 16:16.04 | E-bola | bingo |
| 16:16.08 | plbgnr | hello, does anybody use hp photosmart printer for printing images? ...printer works for me well but just for text printing, If I choose printing in any app for images (gimp, gqview), it will print 2 lines of text and then madly throws blank pages ... instead of printing desired image |
| 16:16.09 | E-bola | that kernel has connmark build as a modukle |
| 16:16.14 | abrotman | LemMinG: that's how mine works |
| 16:16.30 | LemMinG | kk |
| 16:16.33 | LemMinG | will add that in a sec |
| 16:16.39 | LemMinG | just upgrading packages atm |
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| 16:16.59 | LemMinG | i have it working over 10/100 lan atm to my machine and then am running a proxy here to give it net access |
| 16:17.15 | LemMinG | but i want to run vertilo server on it and for that i need direct net access |
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| 16:18.22 | E-bola | sepski: k its installed |
| 16:18.38 | E-bola | brr its cold outside do i really wanna spend 2 hours on transportation if it fails hehe |
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| 16:20.04 | harfooz | hi all. I have a network configuration problem that is going to take a while to explain, but it's all necessary info to help troubleshoot. I have a static IP with my dsl. |
| 16:20.21 | harfooz | The cable then goes to a linksys wireless router. |
| 16:20.25 | LemMinG | still no luck abrot |
| 16:20.38 | harfooz | from the wireless router, I have a cable attached to the machine I'm on now. |
| 16:20.53 | harfooz | I want to configure port forwarding to all me to ssh into this box. |
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| 16:21.14 | abrotman | that's complicated? |
| 16:21.33 | abrotman | (afaict .. it's also not debian related) |
| 16:21.48 | harfooz | Now I *do* have port forwarding set up, but on this local box, the network configuration is set as dhcp, and if the machine gets rebooted, then it'll get a new ip. |
| 16:21.50 | LemMinG | yeah, just need to forward the port on your modem |
| 16:21.59 | LemMinG | so setup a static ip for it then |
| 16:22.05 | harfooz | so what I want is to set it up as a static IP. |
| 16:22.08 | LemMinG | all done on the modem dude |
| 16:22.25 | abrotman | harfooz: read the manual for your router |
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| 16:22.33 | E-bola | Cant u make linux reboot with another kernel |
| 16:22.37 | E-bola | if a kernel panics? |
| 16:22.40 | Eulex | !test |
| 16:22.43 | E-bola | automatically |
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| 16:22.51 | abrotman | E-bola: kind of |
| 16:22.51 | tarzeau | E-bola: no |
| 16:22.52 | abrotman | Eulex: dead |
| 16:22.57 | LemMinG | your boot loader should give you the option of booting the old kernel |
| 16:22.59 | Eulex | abrotman, yeah, noticed |
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| 16:23.01 | LemMinG | mine does anyway |
| 16:23.10 | harfooz | abrotman, already have and have followed each instruction, but when I set up the network configuration on this box, I can not get any web access except the router page. |
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| 16:23.20 | abrotman | you can do lilo -R or whatever .. but i'm not sure grub has an equivalent |
| 16:23.29 | E-bola | LemMinG: how is that automatically? |
| 16:23.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: grub can do yes |
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| 16:23.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: but if the kernel hangs. the machine is locked |
| 16:23.35 | abrotman | harfooz: then you've done something very wrong |
| 16:23.38 | goron | abrotman: I still get the same advice to run e2fsck. |
| 16:23.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: and that's a linux sucks thing |
| 16:23.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: and then you hit reset :) |
| 16:23.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: if the button is within range |
| 16:23.55 | LemMinG | you said automatically as i hit enter E-bola |
| 16:24.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: you need a bigger package |
| 16:24.01 | LemMinG | rather laggy connection here atm |
| 16:24.04 | harfooz | right, but I want some help about what other config I need to look at. |
| 16:24.10 | goron | abrotman: The /forcefsck was deleted by the reboot, though. |
| 16:24.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: a bigger what? |
| 16:24.19 | abrotman | goron: it is .. after it does the fsck |
| 16:24.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: nevermind |
| 16:24.36 | itguy | how can i setup my own email server?please |
| 16:24.41 | E-bola | weeeeeee! |
| 16:24.41 | tarzeau | itguy: no |
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| 16:24.42 | harfooz | I've got the subnet mask set as 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:24.43 | E-bola | it came back :) |
| 16:25.01 | LemMinG | it does take a few minutes for a kernel install |
| 16:25.01 | goron | abrotman: But isn't fsck != e2fsck? |
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| 16:25.07 | harfooz | and the ip address is the same that I've specified on the router for port 22. |
| 16:25.15 | harfooz | (port forwarding that is.) |
| 16:25.16 | DHX_ | i got this error using maildrop with the mysql support: maildrop: Invalid user specified. if someone can help me a little .. |
| 16:25.26 | itguy | tarzeau: no for what? |
| 16:25.36 | LemMinG | harfooz then wtf is the problem? |
| 16:25.41 | abrotman | goron: e2fsck is for the ext2/3 filesystem |
| 16:25.41 | tarzeau | itguy: you can't setup your own email server |
| 16:25.51 | E-bola | bingo |
| 16:25.54 | goron | abrotman: Yes, I have such a file system. |
| 16:26.05 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:26.06 | E-bola | i got connmark: mucho thanks tarzeau and sepski |
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| 16:26.18 | LemMinG | sigh |
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| 16:26.22 | harfooz | LemMinG, when I set up the static ip on this box, I lose web access for everything except the 192.168.1.1. |
| 16:26.25 | LemMinG | so annoyed about this bloody wireless |
| 16:26.26 | geolr | Hi! Couldn't find an apt-command like rpm -qa. Is there one? |
| 16:26.28 | goron | abrotman: Or do you mean that fsck on an ext3 fs runs e2fsck? |
| 16:26.29 | E-bola | the gay thing ofcourse, is that i cant get around going up there to move the network cable if i want it working hehe |
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| 16:26.36 | abrotman | goron: yes |
| 16:26.37 | LemMinG | harfooz can you ssh into the box from outside? |
| 16:26.44 | abrotman | geolr: dpkg -l ? |
| 16:26.51 | itguy | tarzeau: i think you can...coz i've seen someone email is his firstname@hisfatherlastname.com or what evr! |
| 16:26.52 | harfooz | LemMinG, only if box is dhcp configured. |
| 16:26.59 | goron | abrotman: Ok, so in that case everything should be fine. |
| 16:27.02 | tarzeau | itguy: oh yes, I can. and I do. |
| 16:27.07 | tarzeau | itguy: but you can not. |
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| 16:27.16 | geolr | abrotman: dpkg -l does show all available packages on all servers ?! |
| 16:27.17 | LemMinG | you need to set a gateway and a dns for the interface |
| 16:27.38 | itguy | tarzeau: ok retarded ...i was asking for help |
| 16:27.42 | harfooz | but when I specify the address and subnet mask that I have config'd in the router, then I can't get web access for any site except 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:27.59 | abrotman | geolr: that's not what rpm -qa does |
| 16:28.03 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 16:28.08 | tarzeau | itguy: retarded is how you asked |
| 16:28.09 | tarzeau | apt ask |
| 16:28.11 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a quesiton first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 16:28.17 | abrotman | geolr: but you want to see a list of all available packages |
| 16:28.19 | abrotman | geolr: right ? |
| 16:28.21 | tarzeau | itguy: can you be a little bit more specific than saying "mail server. help?" |
| 16:28.25 | LemMinG | abrotman: i set the essid, still no go on the wireless |
| 16:28.26 | itguy | tarzeau: bugs like you should not know anything because you don't share knowldge |
| 16:28.28 | LemMinG | any other ideas? |
| 16:28.28 | Agnes | hi |
| 16:28.28 | tarzeau | apt mail |
| 16:28.29 | apt | somebody said mail was on it's way |
| 16:28.34 | tarzeau | itguy: fuck off. i do |
| 16:28.47 | abrotman | LemMinG: #wireless ? .. my wifi was fairly easy to setup |
| 16:28.47 | tarzeau | itguy: but you should not be so lazy and think we can read your mind, what you mean by "MAIL" |
| 16:29.02 | itguy | tarzeau: you show really consider using windows? |
| 16:29.13 | E-bola | sepski: do u know if shorewall supports running 1:1 nat on 1 intertface, and 1:many nat on another? |
| 16:29.18 | tarzeau | itguy: can you talk english to me please? |
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| 16:29.26 | E-bola | cuz i need my old 1:many nat + the new 1:1 |
| 16:29.27 | geolr | abrotman: i would like to check which packages are installed right now (testing...) |
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| 16:29.36 | alexey__ | hi all ! |
| 16:29.38 | tarzeau | itguy: it's none of your business what i use |
| 16:29.41 | abrotman | geolr: that's "dpkg -l" |
| 16:29.49 | goron | E-bola: cuz is in the same category as u. |
| 16:29.57 | alexey__ | any idea how-to connect from Linux PC to Cisco Router ? |
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| 16:30.01 | Agnes | i'v got problem with configuring second ether card |
| 16:30.07 | ccg | how to play an .nsv video file |
| 16:30.08 | E-bola | goron: and i dont care for the same reasons |
| 16:30.08 | tarzeau | alexey__: is it a debian linux pc? |
| 16:30.16 | itguy | tarzeau: listen man if you can't help me then just fuck off, alot off guys here more helpfull and nicer than you and willing to help others |
| 16:30.17 | tarzeau | ccg: what says file the.nsv ? got a link to the nsv? |
| 16:30.18 | alexey__ | tarzeau: yes |
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| 16:30.26 | alexey__ | Sarge 3.1 stable |
| 16:30.27 | tarzeau | itguy: YOU FUCK OFF |
| 16:30.29 | goron | E-bola: You can configure your irc client to auto substitute.... |
| 16:30.44 | tarzeau | alexey__: is it connected by serial cable? then minicom |
| 16:30.46 | E-bola | goron: you can configure urs? |
| 16:30.47 | geolr | abrotman: tried it, so you were right thanks alot! glad to have experts around! |
| 16:30.51 | itguy | tarzeau: what ever? |
| 16:30.56 | E-bola | if it anoys you that much u coudl replace all irc lingu |
| 16:30.59 | E-bola | lingo even |
| 16:30.59 | abrotman | geolr: are you a RH person ? |
| 16:31.00 | ccg | tarzeau: http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1NMD9DGOGMZWV0SJCE8GOCV4T2 |
| 16:31.01 | itguy | stew: are you here man?' |
| 16:31.05 | Eulex | ~sing sunday |
| 16:31.07 | apt | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 16:31.18 | goron | E-bola: I don't send garbage into this channel on purpose. |
| 16:31.20 | alexey__ | tarzeau: from serial (COM1) to Router Console - via console cable. |
| 16:31.21 | geolr | abrotman: what is that?! |
| 16:31.27 | tarzeau | ccg: can you install file and run file the.nsv and paste the result here? |
| 16:31.35 | abrotman | geolr: RedHat |
| 16:31.36 | E-bola | goron: i'd call pointless spamming about irc lingo garbage |
| 16:31.52 | ccg | tarzeau: how to install it ? |
| 16:31.57 | abrotman | bah.. i can't find it |
| 16:31.58 | tarzeau | ccg: can mplayer not play it? apt-get install file |
| 16:32.07 | geolr | abrotman: oh, no i first started with caldera linux, then suse, now ubuntu and debian |
| 16:32.09 | itguy | tarzeau: fuck off really ...are you russian? |
| 16:32.12 | ccg | tarzeau: mplayer fails, it may lack the codecs |
| 16:32.13 | itguy | lolololol |
| 16:32.15 | tarzeau | itguy: FUCK OFF RACIST |
| 16:32.24 | streuner | itguy: use ignore |
| 16:32.39 | norskfjord | how do I FULLY remove eggdrop and all the files and dir's from /usr/share/eggdrop ? |
| 16:32.49 | abrotman | norskfjord: man dpkg .. look for purge |
| 16:33.01 | itguy | streuner: i don't know man this guy just jump on me when i asked a simple question |
| 16:33.06 | norskfjord | so dpkg -P eggdrop ? |
| 16:33.10 | abrotman | itguy: just stop |
| 16:33.13 | abrotman | norskfjord: sure |
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| 16:33.41 | itguy | abrotman: ok for the respect of you all and this great channel i will |
| 16:34.27 | goron | abrotman: The cvs error indeed stopped. So it was the correct solution. |
| 16:34.32 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:34.35 | norskfjord | abrotman, but it's still there.. |
| 16:34.37 | norskfjord | alphanode:/usr/share/eggdrop# ls |
| 16:34.38 | norskfjord | help language logs R2D2.chan scripts text |
| 16:34.47 | ccg | tarzeau: n0190:/home/oc# file nin*sv |
| 16:34.47 | ccg | ninja filho.nsv: data |
| 16:34.49 | abrotman | norskfjord: maybe those belong to another package |
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| 16:35.06 | tarzeau | ccg: i have no idea. maybe ask in #mplayer ? |
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| 16:35.10 | ccg | aye |
| 16:35.32 | tarzeau | ccg: if you look at it with an editor (maybe hex) do you see some header or other information giving you a hint what it could be? |
| 16:36.02 | itguy | !info smtp |
| 16:36.10 | norskfjord | okay |
| 16:36.15 | norskfjord | I just rm'd them |
| 16:36.21 | norskfjord | so where is eggdrop.conf stored |
| 16:36.22 | Eulex | ccg, ain't nsv nullsoftvideo? |
| 16:36.32 | norskfjord | I remember it's in some other dir and .tgz |
| 16:36.37 | ccg | Eulex: yes |
| 16:36.38 | streuner | itguy: you should listen what other people told you |
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| 16:36.59 | itguy | streuner: like what? |
| 16:37.09 | streuner | itguy: we told you yesterday to google for 'SMTP HOWTO' and visit workaround.org |
| 16:37.37 | abrotman | norskfjord: that was not the correct thing to do |
| 16:37.39 | itguy | streuner: i am there but no info |
| 16:37.58 | streuner | itguy: on workaround.org is no HOWTO about postfix? |
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| 16:38.13 | norskfjord | abrotman, whereis eggdrop.conf ? |
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| 16:38.38 | Eulex | norskfjord, wherever you chose to put it. |
| 16:38.52 | enveezee | I just checked out personalized google for the first time a few minutes ago.. its pretty cool.. gonna try talking my dad into ditching my.yahoo.com which is just a cluttered re-representation of google |
| 16:38.56 | itguy | streuner: dam i missed spell workarround.org...sorry |
| 16:39.02 | norskfjord | Eulex, umm, no. |
| 16:39.09 | abrotman | !find eggdrop.conf sarge |
| 16:39.10 | norskfjord | Eulex, it's hidden in some dir |
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| 16:39.17 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 16:39.22 | abrotman | @find eggdrop.conf sarge |
| 16:39.30 | js_ | norskfjord: dpkg -S eggdrop.conf |
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| 16:40.18 | norskfjord | eggdrop-data: /usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz |
| 16:40.18 | Eulex | norskfjord, there's /usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz, though. then you ungzip it and put it in some dir wherever you want, together with the other eggdrop files. in a location that is writable by the user the eggdrop will run as |
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| 16:41.10 | norskfjord | so I shouldn't run eggdrop in /usr/share/eggdrop ? |
| 16:41.30 | norskfjord | I should move it all to say, /home/norskfjord/eggdrop ? |
| 16:42.01 | Eulex | norskfjord, it's up to you, but /usr/share/eggdrop is a bad location. read the docs. |
| 16:42.08 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'eggdrop.conf' returned no results. |
| 16:42.38 | kPan1c | has anyone else this? http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/browse_thread/thread/d76b8aaa96c516bd/f1c7532059544ddb?lnk=st&q=debian+remove+nessus&rnum=1#f1c7532059544ddb |
| 16:43.10 | Ace_Wolf | need help .. i have dsl ip static + 16 ip static block i need help me to configurate this in the server debian .. thx |
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| 16:43.23 | darkfires | norskfjord /usr/share is not a folder for program binaries |
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| 16:43.51 | chat_ | is it possible for me to expect the number of Terminals i have available.. like from 6 to 12? |
| 16:44.24 | darkfires | Tchiak what do you mean expect? expand ? console terminals ? |
| 16:44.41 | abrotman | kPan1c: did you check the BTS? |
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| 16:44.54 | tarzeau | chii: yes check /etc/inittab and telinit q |
| 16:45.04 | tarzeau | Tchiak: also check screen |
| 16:45.11 | Eulex | norskfjord, particularly /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/README.Debian will be helpful. you can also take a look in README.gz. |
| 16:45.25 | enveezee | ahh, I just logged into personalized google and seen like everything I've searched for in the past year :P |
| 16:45.26 | tarzeau | what do people ask something then quit or change nick? |
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| 16:45.40 | darkfires | enveezee thats kinda scary |
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| 16:45.47 | tarzeau | enveezee: can you post all your search strings somewhere? |
| 16:45.59 | enveezee | tarzeau: heh, I removed em all |
| 16:46.06 | me0w | just be glad your girlfriend didn't find them first |
| 16:46.08 | Tchiak | i want it so F1-F12 calls up a TTY |
| 16:46.08 | tarzeau | enveezee: and you think google has no more copy now? :) |
| 16:46.10 | abrotman | kPan1c: and you got your answer from the maintainer .. that version is NOT in debian |
| 16:46.11 | me0w | or wife etc. |
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| 16:46.15 | goron | enveezee: You think you removed them? |
| 16:46.20 | prem | hi, |
| 16:46.20 | Tchiak | not just F1-F6 |
| 16:46.20 | darkfires | Tchiak u have to edit /etc/inittab |
| 16:46.22 | Ace_Wolf | i need help .. any help exist ? |
| 16:46.24 | enveezee | me0w: heh, funny.. you obviously dont know me :P |
| 16:46.31 | me0w | obviously |
| 16:46.41 | enveezee | goron: not from google, just from my personalized history |
| 16:46.44 | goron | Ace_Wolf: Read the documentation. It was clear that you didn't read anything. |
| 16:46.48 | me0w | you probably don't have a girlfriend/wife |
| 16:46.59 | enveezee | no I sure dont, just a few crushes |
| 16:47.08 | Ace_Wolf | witch documnetation ? |
| 16:47.21 | rares000 | where is dpkg? |
| 16:47.21 | prem | i am trying to do a seamonkey deb package. do.patching': not a valid identifier" , anybody know this |
| 16:47.27 | me0w | Ace_Wolf: help with what ? |
| 16:47.35 | streuner | rares000: vacation |
| 16:47.44 | Ace_Wolf | me0w: i have dsl ip static + 16 ip static block i need help me to configurate this in the server debian .. thx |
| 16:47.45 | rares000 | i need help |
| 16:47.49 | Tchiak | thnx darkfires |
| 16:47.50 | streuner | rares000: use apt or ravenbird instead |
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| 16:48.04 | me0w | no problem. |
| 16:48.09 | kPan1c | yes found that. ty |
| 16:48.42 | blondie | m |
| 16:48.58 | Ace_Wolf | so how i can conect with the 16+ ip static ? |
| 16:49.12 | wols_ | Ace_Wolf: man interfaces |
| 16:49.20 | enveezee | I knew they kept search history on search engines but I didnt realize it was linked to me personally.. especially since I never login when I search.. and its got like everything.. like when I was looking up pictures of supaplex a few months ago |
| 16:49.22 | darkfires | Ace_Wolf you'll have to use ip aliases for that |
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| 16:49.30 | wols_ | and you will need a debian box with 2 NICs |
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| 16:49.50 | Ace_Wolf | in the interface yes i know eth0 eth0:1 ext |
| 16:50.00 | wols_ | enveezee: where did you look up your search history? |
| 16:50.06 | Ace_Wolf | the problemm that he not conect with this ips |
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| 16:50.45 | enveezee | wols_: search history beta google.com/searchhistory |
| 16:51.21 | wols_ | they won't find mine: never ever allow google cookies |
| 16:51.30 | Ace_Wolf | they ping but he dont go out with this ip .. he go with this i have now |
| 16:52.09 | Ace_Wolf | darkfires what you mean ip aliases ? |
| 16:52.28 | enveezee | wols_: *shrug* I've searched for some of those things at home, at work..etc.. and never was I logged in as my gmail user.. now I login from out of state on someone else's laptop and pull up like everything I've ever searched for |
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| 16:52.51 | wols_ | enveezee: they show an empty query for my search history |
| 16:52.54 | wols_ | :) |
| 16:52.57 | defaude^afk | hi everyone! i've got an AMD X2 Processor. Do i have to look for another package or is the debian-amd64 just fine (want to get it from the ftp...) |
| 16:53.10 | pipeline | defaude^afk: You want to use i386. |
| 16:53.13 | wols_ | defaude^afk: is "fine". |
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| 16:53.34 | enveezee | wols_: I knew cookies were bad for you but I figured you'd just get fat and have cavities.. I didnt know this could happen :P |
| 16:53.55 | defaude^afk | alright, err now what should I do / install? =) |
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| 16:54.11 | Ace_Wolf | me0w can you help ? |
| 16:54.18 | wols_ | enveezee: that all those cookie apologetics usually come from companies which want your data for markting information, should tell you something |
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| 16:54.30 | defaude^afk | NOT the amd64 (meaning: the i386) or YES the amd64 =) |
| 16:54.31 | wols_ | sure they are not evil. but what people can do with them is very evil |
| 16:54.43 | me0w | Ace_Wolf: probably |
| 16:54.56 | Ace_Wolf | can i come priv to tell you .. |
| 16:54.57 | wols_ | defaude^afk: debian-amd64 is very beta right now. meaning, you WILL get problems |
| 16:54.59 | gnufan | enveezee: don't you have to use a personalised search for it to link them to you. I know they keep them linked to your cookie, but linking the two reliably would be difficult I think |
| 16:55.05 | Ace_Wolf | its a leatel privat |
| 16:55.05 | me0w | no. |
| 16:55.20 | me0w | I'm busy. + people have already told you what to do |
| 16:55.22 | Eulex | defaude^afk, depends. some software doesn't run on amd64. amd64 is less stable. though it will give you a little more speed. choose whichever you want. |
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| 16:55.26 | wols_ | gnufan: they can correlate easy enough |
| 16:55.33 | goron | wols_: It is? I am using it since even before it was released.. |
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| 16:55.40 | defaude^afk | ah okay. then I'll stick to the i386 - thanks anyways ^^ |
| 16:55.47 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it possible to know if an application is bound to a tcp port ? |
| 16:55.50 | wols_ | gnufan: like when you ever logged in (or often enough) to gmail while using it, etc |
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| 16:55.52 | lord_rob | in bash I mean |
| 16:56.03 | enveezee | wols_: yeah but how do people like myself and the rest of us here know when cookies are wanted or unwanted.. I mean granted for keeping personal data its probably better to use your browsers security manager than cookies to fill out that form data.. but there are still legit reasons for cookies.. remembering page prefs and such. |
| 16:56.04 | Eulex | lord_rob, netstat? |
| 16:56.04 | cahoot | lord_rob: netstat -tupan |
| 16:56.08 | Ace_Wolf | me0w: all this i know i am using debian from 98 |
| 16:56.08 | wols_ | lord_rob: netstat -anp |grep LIST |
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| 16:56.39 | brest | hi i run debian 3.1r1 and need to know how to activate fullduplex for my soundcard under xfce4..does anybody know? |
| 16:56.46 | Ace_Wolf | me0w: but now that i know he don't conect |
| 16:56.47 | lord_rob | thanks Eulex cahoot wols_ :) |
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| 16:56.57 | wols_ | enveezee: they are only legit when I explicitly want them. all other times they are "unlegit". if a site doesn't work without them: at most what they get is a session cookie from me. |
| 16:56.59 | goron | defaude^afk: The only difference between i386 and x86-64 is that you won't have a Flash plugin and no wmv codecs natively (but you can do it). |
| 16:57.02 | Eulex | brest, just one thing -- that you're running xfce4 has got nothing to do with that |
| 16:57.05 | wols_ | and by default, always deny a cookie |
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| 16:57.25 | wols_ | e.g gmail needs a session cookie even when they want it a persistant one |
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| 16:57.39 | brest | Eulex, ah ok i'm a "newbie"..can you explain me some details bout sound on linux? |
| 16:57.46 | cahoot | brest: it's up to the alsa driver - what card is this? |
| 16:58.06 | goron | brest: A real well supported soundcard saves you time. |
| 16:58.10 | Eulex | brest, sorry, I'd very much like to, but I gotta run now |
| 16:58.19 | brest | cahoot, it's intel snd onboard |
| 16:58.20 | Arpman | sreuner: Just got it working - thanks for your help!!! Think it was a bad hardware connection. |
| 16:58.34 | streuner | Arpman: shit happens |
| 16:58.41 | Arpman | oops Sreuner should be Streuner |
| 16:58.43 | brest | cahoot, it's onboard intel snd (ac 97) |
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| 16:58.49 | Arpman | LOL - yesy it does |
| 16:58.55 | brest | Eulex, thanks anyway |
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| 16:59.11 | gnufan | wols_: I don't think they import stuff from outside of your session -- otherwise if you logged in at an Internet cafe you might inherit a load of rubbish |
| 16:59.47 | brest | cahoot, i ran alsaconf, everything works fine, but i guess fullduplex is not enabled by default |
| 17:00.05 | goron | enveezee: Where can I see that search history? |
| 17:00.10 | wols_ | gnufan: ok, but they can at least query if both gmail and normal cookie are there: bingo |
| 17:00.12 | enveezee | wols_: so in short what I am getting from you would be that, cookies are evil, but if you must use them make em expire when the browser process dies |
| 17:00.26 | cahoot | brest: what do you mean with duplex? |
| 17:00.26 | enveezee | goron: google.com/searchhistory/ |
| 17:00.28 | wols_ | enveezee: I even have some persitent cookies. |
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| 17:00.59 | wols_ | but: never ever give your cookies to a big entity like google. they reach just too far for you to trust them |
| 17:01.29 | brest | cahoot,the ability of the soundcard to mix more than one input stream -> to be able to hear sound from two different sources at the same time |
| 17:01.33 | wols_ | cookies for a single website are fine. cookies for big multinational corps with enough clout to crossreference: instant evil |
| 17:01.34 | goron | enveezee: doesi t only records it when you signup? |
| 17:01.40 | enveezee | well I still trust google... I know they are furthering search technologies and I trust them to do the right thing at this point. |
| 17:01.41 | bintut | is it ok to install debian-i386 on an amd turion64 laptop? what do you think? any comments? |
| 17:01.54 | cahoot | brest: ok - that's not duplex AFAIK - you want dmix |
| 17:02.02 | wols_ | bintut: no |
| 17:02.04 | pipeline | bintut: I would recommend i386. |
| 17:02.10 | pipeline | bintut: Running the amd64 version is very silly. |
| 17:02.12 | enveezee | goron: I didnt look at it that long, but it went pretty far back for me. several months.. |
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| 17:02.33 | wols_ | duplex: sending and receiving at the same time. meaning for soundcards record and play back |
| 17:02.47 | wols_ | brest: what you describe is a mixer, hardware mixer hopefully |
| 17:02.49 | cahoot | brest: or a soundserver - what's the output from : cat /proc/asound/version? |
| 17:02.54 | brest | cahoot, yes dmix is a software mixer afaik, but i want to use the hardware mixer |
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| 17:02.58 | bintut | wols_ and pipeline: you have opposite answers. what will be the advantages or drawbacks? |
| 17:03.05 | brest | cahoot, let me see |
| 17:03.08 | wols_ | bintut: sorry, wasn't for you |
| 17:03.12 | brest | wols_, u r right |
| 17:03.18 | bintut | wols_: ok |
| 17:03.19 | goron | enveezee: How do I get a listing of everything? I don't see anything. |
| 17:03.20 | cahoot | brest: I doubt that card offers hw mixing |
| 17:03.24 | pipeline | bintut: There are no advantages to amd64. The drawback is that lots of software simply doesn't work. |
| 17:03.26 | bintut | pipeline: what can you say? |
| 17:03.45 | vin` | goron: history only recorded if you sign-in |
| 17:03.55 | pipeline | bintut: Unless you have more than 4G of RAM, it would be rather foolish to install the amd64 version. (You can use more than 4G on a 32 bit arch, but it's slow :\) |
| 17:03.57 | brest | cahoot, brest@masterb:~$ cat /proc/asound/version |
| 17:03.57 | brest | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10rc3 (Mon Nov 07 13:30:21 2005 UTC) |
| 17:03.58 | enveezee | goron: it mustn't have a history for you |
| 17:04.00 | bintut | pipeline: ok. thanks for your comments. |
| 17:04.00 | wols_ | pipeline: there is a minuscule speed advatnage. and the possibility to give a process more than 2-3.5GB memory |
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| 17:04.13 | goron | enveezee: And can I stop using that service? |
| 17:04.22 | pipeline | wols_: Heh. No process actually uses that much RAM. Avoiding the performance hit from PAE is a bonus, though :P |
| 17:04.24 | goron | enveezee: Now, I just signed up to see what it is. |
| 17:04.27 | norskfjord | is it okay to chmod 755 /usr/share/eggdrop ? |
| 17:04.33 | cahoot | brest: I believe dmix is enabled by default in that alsa version (might be wrong though) |
| 17:04.55 | enveezee | goron: yeah I cleared mine and paused it, which stops it from building a personalized history |
| 17:05.06 | wols_ | pipeline:games. I know that linux isn't exactly ideal for that, so don't bother. but games reach their memory limits on windows (where it's 2GB) |
| 17:05.11 | goron | enveezee: Oh, I see the link. |
| 17:05.20 | goron | enveezee: The translation is not very clear. |
| 17:05.22 | enveezee | goron: this just means that my queries go into the pool normally and dont get cached as personalized historay I guess |
| 17:05.29 | goron | enveezee: (I see it in my native language) |
| 17:05.30 | wols_ | pipeline: and of course "real" software like modelers, databases, etc too |
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| 17:05.59 | brest | cahoot, that means? |
| 17:06.12 | enveezee | goron: ah, what language? |
| 17:06.14 | wols_ | pipeline: and the important limit is usually NOT the 4G one |
| 17:06.17 | bluefox83 | how do i get my clock to update? |
| 17:06.30 | bluefox83 | i need to make sure my clock adjusted for the time change |
| 17:06.30 | goron | enveezee: That's private ;) |
| 17:06.49 | cahoot | brest: you should be able to get simultaneous output from two or more sources |
| 17:06.50 | argent | !tell bluefox83 about ntp |
| 17:06.55 | enveezee | goron: heh. you think your native language is a private matter? |
| 17:07.03 | gnufan | enveezee: hehe I've been building a "personalised search history" to see if it improves my search results -- it might even get better than Yahoos search results with a bit of luck |
| 17:07.15 | enveezee | goron: can you elaborate on that, or is the reason its private, classified as well? |
| 17:07.19 | wols_ | bintut: I never said to use amd64. right now I would wait a bit before it matures. if you want the PC to "just work" AMD64 is definitely the wrong choice, on windows or linux both |
| 17:07.22 | brest | cahoot, let me try |
| 17:07.23 | goron | enveezee: all classified |
| 17:07.30 | bluefox83 | argent, nothing happened |
| 17:07.33 | argent | bluefox83: anyway, use ntp |
| 17:08.00 | cahoot | brest: try this: open two terms, execute aplay -d plug:dmix /usr/share/sounds/*.wav' in each |
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| 17:08.11 | goron | Uhm, question: why does Debian ship a version of Make which goes in an infinite loop on the compilation of ghc? |
| 17:08.15 | bintut | wols_: i already have an amd turion64 laptop here |
| 17:08.24 | wols_ | brest: use ntpdate. run it with a cronjob. ntpd is overkill unless you run some nuclear experiments or such |
| 17:08.31 | azeem | goron: maybe ghc's Makefile is broken? |
| 17:08.35 | pipeline | wols_: Heh. Microsoft SQL has a maximum database size of 2G anyway, even on ia64. :p |
| 17:08.41 | enveezee | goron: debian has a shipping department? |
| 17:08.42 | azeem | goron: what version of make are you using? |
| 17:08.43 | wols_ | bintut: that has any bearing on the software how? |
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| 17:08.53 | lunaphyte | why would adding a pci ide card make a previously working system not boot? |
| 17:08.56 | brest | wols_, what is ntpdate? never heard |
| 17:08.57 | enveezee | goron: ..and because you didnt file a bug against it. |
| 17:08.59 | goron | azeem: GNU Make 3.80 |
| 17:09.04 | pipeline | wols_: You generally end up with a buttload of separate SQLS processes and using PAE on i386. verrrrrrry slow. |
| 17:09.07 | abrotman | lunaphyte: defective card? ask #hardware |
| 17:09.08 | wols_ | lunaphyte: power or the PCI card shorts something |
| 17:09.10 | goron | enveezee: I did file a bug a few months ago. |
| 17:09.18 | goron | enveezee: Thank you very much. |
| 17:09.19 | abrotman | lunaphyte: wait .. the OS doesn't fully boot .. or the system doesn't start ? |
| 17:09.29 | wols_ | pipeline: servers you right for using MS server software int he first place |
| 17:09.34 | azeem | goron: which bug number? |
| 17:09.39 | goron | azeem: one moment. |
| 17:09.41 | pipeline | wols_: *shrug* |
| 17:09.44 | norskfjord | oh shit |
| 17:09.47 | lunaphyte | abrotman: the system boots, debian starts to boot, but then complains can't find /dev/hda1 |
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| 17:09.49 | gnufan | brest: ntpdate is a set the time once command |
| 17:09.54 | norskfjord | I edited my eggdrop.conf as room |
| 17:09.55 | enveezee | goron: ah. well debian "shipped" last release almost a year ago now |
| 17:09.56 | norskfjord | root |
| 17:10.01 | pipeline | wols_: My employer doesn't have a single MS server in-house. All windows is done on VMs in ESX :) |
| 17:10.07 | wols_ | bintut: that all said: if I'd bought a new CPU today, I vrey very much wanted it to be 64bit |
| 17:10.11 | norskfjord | what do I have to chmod it to so I can write to it as user? |
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| 17:10.21 | gnufan | brest: usually run on boot before starting less aggressive clock setting software like ntpd |
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| 17:10.33 | abrotman | lunaphyte: and what kind of card did you add ? |
| 17:10.38 | argent | norskfjord: chown <user>:<group> <filename> |
| 17:10.49 | lunaphyte | abrotman: 3ware 4 port ide card |
| 17:10.58 | abrotman | lunaphyte: that might be a good reason :) |
| 17:10.59 | bluefox83 | i seem to be having trouble getting ntp to work, when i type in "ntp" as root it says bash: ntpupdate: command not found |
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| 17:11.07 | brest | gnufan, thx |
| 17:11.15 | norskfjord | jsz@alphanode:~$ cp /usr/share/eggdrop/eggdrop.conf /home/jsz/eggdrop |
| 17:11.15 | norskfjord | cp: cannot stat `/home/jsz/eggdrop/eggdrop.conf': Permission denied |
| 17:11.17 | bluefox83 | well..does the same for ntp and ntpupdate |
| 17:11.17 | wols_ | lunaphyte: what card was in there before that serviced /dev/hda1? |
| 17:11.19 | bintut | wols_: :) |
| 17:11.28 | gnufan | bluefox83: you don't type "ntp" |
| 17:11.29 | norskfjord | I've fucked it up |
| 17:11.35 | norskfjord | Im so annoyed |
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| 17:11.39 | norskfjord | how can I fix it |
| 17:11.42 | wols_ | bintut: you run ntpdate. nothing else |
| 17:11.45 | bluefox83 | gnufan, then what do i type? |
| 17:11.46 | wamty | hi does anyone here knows how to convert .img files to .iso files |
| 17:11.47 | abrotman | lunaphyte: it may have decided to assign hda to a port on the card for some stupid reason |
| 17:11.49 | norskfjord | without reinstalling and editing the config file again? |
| 17:11.49 | argent | norskfjord: chown jsz:jsz /home/jsz |
| 17:11.51 | brest | cahoot, wow it works with dmix |
| 17:11.52 | norskfjord | GRRR |
| 17:11.53 | lunaphyte | wols_: onboard ide channel (supoermicro board with single ide channel) |
| 17:11.57 | wols_ | erm, bluefox83: run "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" |
| 17:12.01 | argent | norskfjord: chown -R jsz:jsz /home/jsz/eggdrop sorry |
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| 17:12.23 | wols_ | lunaphyte: you sure the BIOS (or even kernel) didn't reshuffle harddisk devicenumbers |
| 17:12.24 | cahoot | brest: now try this: open two terms, execute aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav' |
| 17:12.26 | lunaphyte | abrotman: i thought that might have been it, so i put my drives on channel 0 and 1 of the card - that makes it die after grub. |
| 17:12.34 | wamty | Anyone? |
| 17:12.39 | goron | I can't find my bug report anymore... |
| 17:12.40 | gnufan | wamty: what is your img file exactly, my gues is "mv a.img a.iso" but it depends |
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| 17:12.57 | Javi_UK | WAMTY: there are some converters. I cannot remember one now but let me check... |
| 17:13.00 | norskfjord | cp: cannot stat `/home/jsz/eggdrop/eggdrop.conf': Permission denied |
| 17:13.01 | brest | cahoot, works :) |
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| 17:13.06 | wamty | I want to mount a .img file |
| 17:13.10 | norskfjord | I already done chmod 755 /home/jsz/eggdrop |
| 17:13.14 | wols_ | lunaphyte: could it be the kernel has 3ware drivers compiled in? |
| 17:13.21 | lunaphyte | wols_: i thought it might have, i tried putting my drives on the card, which then made it die after grub. |
| 17:13.22 | argent | norskfjord: chown -R jsz:jsz /home/jsz/eggdrop |
| 17:13.25 | cahoot | brest: ok so dmix *is* enabled by default |
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| 17:13.29 | Javi_UK | WAMTI: you need to convert it to ISO |
| 17:13.29 | lunaphyte | wols_: i believe that it does, yes. |
| 17:13.38 | SmerdyOffice | How do I ask apt not to upgrade a particular package, permanently? |
| 17:13.40 | abrotman | lunaphyte: check your BIOS |
| 17:13.43 | brest | cahoot, never got this to work with kde, but with xfce4 it seems to work perfectly, thank you |
| 17:13.54 | cahoot | brest: you haven't made any .asoundrc? |
| 17:13.56 | tarzeau | apt hold |
| 17:13.57 | apt | hold is, like, a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or ... |
| 17:14.03 | wols_ | lunaphyte: keep your drives on the normal IDE channels (not the 3ware), and use a kernel without 3ware support, or support as a module then |
| 17:14.15 | norskfjord | z# chown -R jsz:jsz /home/jsz/eggdrop |
| 17:14.15 | norskfjord | alphanode:/home/jsz# exit |
| 17:14.15 | norskfjord | exit |
| 17:14.15 | norskfjord | jsz@alphanode:~$ cp /usr/share/eggdrop/eggdrop.conf /home/jsz/eggdrop |
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| 17:14.16 | wamty | I want to mount a .img file how could I do that? |
| 17:14.17 | SmerdyOffice | tarzeau, thanks! |
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| 17:14.37 | norskfjord | cp: cannot stat `/home/jsz/eggdrop/eggdrop.conf': Permission denied |
| 17:14.44 | lunaphyte | wols_: meaning i would probably need to compile my own, right? |
| 17:14.49 | wols_ | lunaphyte: BIOS and kernel have differing opinions what /dev/hda is. bios thinks internal, kernel thinks 3ware |
| 17:14.53 | norskfjord | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.55 | wols_ | lunaphyte: right |
| 17:14.57 | brest | cahoot, no i didn't make any .asoundrc |
| 17:15.00 | norskfjord | Im soooooooooooooooooooooooooo spewing |
| 17:15.00 | cahoot | brest: lots of old howtos tell you to create one - most only muddle things |
| 17:15.06 | norskfjord | waste of 1 hour |
| 17:15.15 | wols_ | lunaphyte: compile 3ware drivers as modules, load them afterwards |
| 17:15.21 | wamty | I want to mount a .img file how could I do that? |
| 17:15.23 | cahoot | brest: so leave it as is |
| 17:15.26 | argent | norskfjord: do: ls -ld /home/jsz/eggdrop what does it say? |
| 17:15.26 | norskfjord | help help help!!! |
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| 17:15.36 | argent | norskfjord: can i pm you? |
| 17:15.39 | brest | cahoot, thanks (never change a running system) :) |
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| 17:15.50 | wols_ | lunaphyte: you could of course edit /fstab and set a different root, but different devicenames between BIOS and linux make baby jesus cry. it's just confusing |
| 17:16.11 | norskfjord | drw-r--r-- 6 jsz jsz 1024 2006-04-03 13:01 /home/jsz/eggdrop |
| 17:16.29 | norskfjord | argent, yes pm me |
| 17:16.29 | wols_ | norskfjord: chmod a+x /home/jsz/eggdrop |
| 17:16.38 | wols_ | then you can stat it again :) |
| 17:16.42 | al3xanr0 | how do I remove a broken package without affecting 289 deps? |
| 17:16.49 | tarzeau | al3xanr0: which? |
| 17:16.56 | Xteven | 289 deps ?? |
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| 17:17.04 | wols_ | Xteven: libc6 :P |
| 17:17.05 | azeem | goron: are you sure this is 3.80 and not a prerelease of 3.81? |
| 17:17.07 | Xteven | ah |
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| 17:17.10 | al3xanr0 | klamav-0.30.0 |
| 17:17.10 | Xteven | makes sense |
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| 17:17.22 | argent | norskfjord: there are no x permissions! do: chmod 755 /home/jsz/eggdrop |
| 17:17.35 | wols_ | al3xanr0: do you plan to reinstall it again? or a package that satisfies the dependencies? |
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| 17:17.54 | al3xanr0 | no |
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| 17:18.43 | wols_ | al3xanr0: dpkg --force-help |
| 17:18.54 | al3xanr0 | wols_ ty |
| 17:19.43 | argent | norskfjord: did it work? |
| 17:19.44 | brest | i need to install jdk 5.0, does anyone know where i can find this with apt-get? |
| 17:19.59 | sissi | hi, I have sound with ALSA but I can't found /dev/dsp is it normal ? |
| 17:20.01 | norskfjord | yep |
| 17:20.03 | norskfjord | thanks heaps |
| 17:20.05 | argent | brest: afaik jdk is non-free |
| 17:20.08 | argent | norskfjord: np |
| 17:20.18 | argent | sissi: nope |
| 17:20.23 | Shadowcat | !tell brest about java-package |
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| 17:20.29 | sissi | argent, how can I resolv it ? |
| 17:20.30 | Shadowcat | oh great |
| 17:20.33 | Shadowcat | now where did that bot go |
| 17:20.39 | norskfjord | champions |
| 17:20.43 | wols_ | al3xanr0: you must make sure after you remove it that apt and dpkg like the oeverall package installs of your machine. or you will have problems forever |
| 17:20.44 | norskfjord | ^5's! |
| 17:20.49 | abrotman | Shadowcat: dead |
| 17:21.02 | argent | sissi: dunno |
| 17:21.04 | abrotman | sussudio: BADGERS! |
| 17:21.04 | wols_ | Shadowcat: on strike. or abrotman raped it. you decide |
| 17:21.12 | sissi | argent, dunno ? |
| 17:21.19 | Shadowcat | wols_: can I pick both? >:) |
| 17:21.20 | enveezee | ah, AHHHHH SNAKE! |
| 17:21.35 | argent | sissi: i have never used any sound system before. most of them worked automatically. never needed to |
| 17:21.43 | tarzeau | !seen sussudio |
| 17:21.44 | wols_ | sure: abrotman raped her and now she's on strike until he says he's really really really sorry |
| 17:21.50 | wols_ | ...and marry her of course |
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| 17:22.01 | sissi | argent, ok thanks anyway :/ |
| 17:22.02 | tarzeau | wols_: hahaha :) |
| 17:22.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: seee everybody knows it you raped her! |
| 17:22.23 | wols_ | tarzeau: that guy is a total scumbar, isn't he? |
| 17:22.35 | tarzeau | wols_: absolutely. |
| 17:23.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm ok |
| 17:23.17 | abrotman | @tell Absolute0 about root |
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| 17:23.36 | Shadowcat | @test |
| 17:23.37 | ravenbird | Yes, shadowcat, you're still online. |
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| 17:23.40 | wols_ | tarzeau: we need to prepare a shotgun wedding |
| 17:23.46 | Shadowcat | ~test |
| 17:23.48 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 17:23.51 | argent | wtf happend to dpkg |
| 17:23.51 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 17:23.54 | Shadowcat | ok two bots |
| 17:23.56 | abrotman | argent: DEAD |
| 17:23.59 | abrotman | DPKG IS DEAD! |
| 17:24.06 | Shadowcat | abrotman killed her |
| 17:24.08 | SilverWolf | chuck |
| 17:24.10 | argent | abrotman: or you raped her ;) |
| 17:24.17 | Shadowcat | argent: or both :) |
| 17:24.23 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: which one first? |
| 17:24.30 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: you pick |
| 17:24.33 | argent | tarzeau: he killed her first ;) |
| 17:24.38 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: HE certainled killer her first |
| 17:26.21 | brest | what java do you prefer? sun's or blackdown's? |
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| 17:26.49 | abrotman | blackdown isnt' maintained anymore |
| 17:26.56 | abrotman | @java-package |
| 17:26.57 | ravenbird | methinks java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the ... |
| 17:27.11 | Shadowcat | someone might wanna fix that |
| 17:27.21 | abrotman | not really .. it just says "NOT the RPM" |
| 17:27.42 | brest | thx guys :) |
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| 17:29.01 | jc750kwak | I'm using Sarge and trying to get Kmail to send emails via AOL in the UK. I can receive mails okay from imap.uk.aol.com but cannot write and send them via smtp.uk.aol.com. I have to go online and use AOL's web mail to send mails. The error message reads - 'Sending failed: Authentication failed. Most likely the password is wrong. The server responded: "INVALID SASL FORMAT OR LENGTH"' Anyone able to help? (sorry to repost this but was called away |
| 17:29.01 | jc750kwak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.06 | MyWay | hi |
| 17:29.11 | MyWay | Someone can help me? |
| 17:29.18 | argent | !someone |
| 17:29.20 | MyWay | i can't listen anything! |
| 17:29.21 | argent | @someone |
| 17:29.29 | argent | @anyone |
| 17:29.30 | ravenbird | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:29.45 | wols_ | MyWay: you mean your sound does not work? |
| 17:29.52 | MyWay | yes |
| 17:29.58 | wols_ | @alsa |
| 17:29.58 | ravenbird | alsa is, like, the "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" the replacement for OSS/Free Sound drivers. It's THE sound driver in the 2.5 kernel development cycle. It offers many advantages over the current OSS/Free architecture, and has much vendor support, see http://www.alsa-project.org/ for more info, or latest working version is 0.9.6, or it's also completely free, ... |
| 17:30.06 | MyWay | ./etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: set_controls:1119: snd_ctl_open error: Invalid argument'. done. |
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| 17:30.18 | MyWay | i installed alsa did alsaconf but at the end this appeared |
| 17:30.27 | MyWay | amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument |
| 17:30.30 | lunaphyte | should i use the debian kernel source package or a kernel.org tarball when building a custom kernel? |
| 17:30.37 | wols_ | peobably installed it not right or some wrror happened along the way which you ignored |
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| 17:30.49 | abrotman | lunaphyte: that's up to you |
| 17:30.51 | wols_ | MyWay: cat /dev/sndstat |
| 17:31.11 | lunaphyte | abrotman: any considerations it'd help to be aware of? |
| 17:31.14 | wols_ | lunaphyte: I always use vanilla krenels. cleaner imho. and you can easily add patches if you want |
| 17:31.15 | MyWay | cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device |
| 17:31.34 | wols_ | MyWay: you don't have alsa loaded, check with lsmod |
| 17:31.42 | wols_ | or rather, the alsa drivers |
| 17:31.59 | MyWay | how do i load it? |
| 17:32.49 | wols_ | MyWay: depends on your soundcard. and if you did the alsa install correctly it would been loaded automatically |
| 17:32.59 | MyWay | hm |
| 17:33.05 | MyWay | so i didn't installed it correctly |
| 17:33.05 | wamty | how can i tell what Wireless extension version my kernel is built with? |
| 17:33.15 | wols_ | MyWay: most probably |
| 17:33.17 | MyWay | how do you install alsa correctly? |
| 17:33.22 | MyWay | i did apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 17:33.44 | wols_ | MyWay: that's far from it. start with running a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:33.54 | MyWay | i'm running it |
| 17:34.03 | abrotman | lunaphyte: you're responsible for your own security issues ? |
| 17:34.11 | sussudio | what? |
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| 17:34.16 | wols_ | MyWay: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 17:34.27 | wamty | how can i tell what Wireless extension version my kernel is built with? |
| 17:34.34 | enveezee | ravenbird alsa ~= s/THE sound driver in the 2.5 kernel development cycle/now part of the 2.6 source tree, and doesnt need to be compiled separately as modules as in 2.4/ |
| 17:34.34 | ravenbird | enveezee: You are moron #3 |
| 17:34.40 | wols_ | abrotman: what good will it do if debian is. looked at the DSA entry for 2.6.8-3? |
| 17:34.44 | enveezee | ravenbird alsa =~ s/THE sound driver in the 2.5 kernel development cycle/now part of the 2.6 source tree, and doesnt need to be compiled separately as modules as in 2.4/ |
| 17:34.45 | ravenbird | OK, enveezee |
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| 17:35.06 | enveezee | 2.5 isnt worth mentioning in any context |
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| 17:35.35 | ch1r1 | someone know why the web, http://www.esdebian.org is wrong? |
| 17:35.42 | lunaphyte | gah. i need to understand the boot process better before i do this. |
| 17:35.45 | ch1r1 | i need check a email |
| 17:36.06 | wols_ | ch1r1: www.es.debian.org |
| 17:36.11 | wols_ | missing a dot |
| 17:36.24 | MyWay | wols_ when i do alsaconf i find 2 cards Via and Legacy |
| 17:36.25 | MyWay | why? |
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| 17:36.43 | MyWay | wich one i need? |
| 17:36.47 | wols_ | MyWay: no clue. never use Via*spit* |
| 17:36.57 | wols_ | the via one most likely |
| 17:37.09 | MyWay | it's via82xx |
| 17:37.10 | ch1r1 | wols_ this web is another portal, i m question about esdebian.org |
| 17:37.26 | MyWay | the other one is probe legacy isa (non pnp) |
| 17:37.26 | wols_ | ch1r1: then ask them and not debian |
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| 17:38.37 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 17:38.38 | MyWay | wols_ now it worked with no errors |
| 17:38.45 | MyWay | but i can't listen anything again |
| 17:38.48 | sussudio | !do abrotman |
| 17:38.59 | abrotman | badgers: you're the best |
| 17:38.59 | badgers | la la la la .... I did it myyyyyyyyy wayyy ... cof cof ... |
| 17:39.05 | MyWay | lol |
| 17:39.07 | justin | tarzeau: is ther any reason a ss20 should not be ran vertically? (airflow...?) |
| 17:39.19 | tarzeau | justin: that applies to ultra2 |
| 17:39.28 | tarzeau | justin: ss20 are very slim, it could jsut fall over |
| 17:39.35 | tarzeau | justin: the only reason i'd not run it vertically |
| 17:39.52 | tarzeau | justin: besides how would you stack them? |
| 17:39.53 | justin | tarzeau: that isn't a problem, I have something soft on either side of it a few inches away |
| 17:39.54 | wols_ | not to mention exploder. those russians never ever maintenant their expensive rockets |
| 17:40.01 | justin | tarzeau: I stuck it on my closet :-) |
| 17:40.04 | tarzeau | justin: asked #sparc yet? |
| 17:40.07 | justin | nah :-) |
| 17:40.08 | tarzeau | justin: hahaha, pew |
| 17:40.09 | goron | azeem: The version I am using is GNU Make 3.80 |
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| 17:40.27 | tarzeau | justin: irc'ing from the convenience room? |
| 17:40.32 | goron | azeem: A couple of months ago an older version of Make from GNU did work. |
| 17:40.34 | wols_ | justin: when it falls, it makes the harddisk gods cry. and it might prompt them to take your SS20 hdd back to heaven |
| 17:40.37 | tarzeau | justin: and playing loud music so nobody hears you? |
| 17:40.47 | tarzeau | justin: watching porn secretly? |
| 17:40.54 | tarzeau | justin: k i don't want to know |
| 17:40.57 | MyWay | Someone can help me? i can't listen anything! |
| 17:41.04 | azeem | goron: 3.80 has been the current version for ages now |
| 17:41.08 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 17:41.20 | goron | azeem: That does not contradict what I say. |
| 17:41.22 | justin | it is still kind of loud though |
| 17:41.29 | azeem | [2002-10-26] Accepted 3.80-1 in unstable (low) (Manoj Srivastava) |
| 17:42.02 | azeem | goron: what's the version of the Debian package? |
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| 17:42.30 | argent | !do argent |
| 17:42.33 | argent | !do argent |
| 17:42.34 | goron | azeem: This one: http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/make-3.80.tar.gz works |
| 17:42.37 | ouznext | quit |
| 17:42.42 | goron | azeem: The Debian version does not. |
| 17:42.44 | argent | !do argent |
| 17:42.54 | azeem | goron: which Debian version? |
| 17:42.56 | argent | !kill badgers |
| 17:43.13 | MyWay | Someone can help me with alsa? |
| 17:43.18 | enveezee | argent: please dont abuse the bots in the channel |
| 17:43.18 | argent | !alsa |
| 17:43.19 | badgers | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist> |
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| 17:43.30 | enveezee | argent: no, seriously stop it now |
| 17:43.33 | MyWay | argent i read it but cant find my problem.. |
| 17:43.34 | lissyx | Hi all |
| 17:43.43 | lissyx | Does someone knows about lirc ? |
| 17:43.47 | argent | !someone |
| 17:43.48 | MyWay | i installed it, but when i start xmms for listen a song a messagebox appear |
| 17:43.48 | badgers | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:43.52 | wamty | how can i tell what Wireless extension version my kernel is built with? |
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| 17:44.00 | enveezee | MyWay: what _is_ problem with alsa? |
| 17:44.11 | MyWay | saying check your soundcard is configured properly |
| 17:44.19 | pusling | any one tried the xorg from experimental ? |
| 17:44.21 | MyWay | enveezee: i can't listen anything with xmms and alsa why? |
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| 17:44.27 | lissyx | argent, problem is long to explain, so it's faster to know if someone can deal with lirc .. |
| 17:44.44 | argent | lissyx: try to explain the problem first |
| 17:44.50 | lissyx | ok |
| 17:44.53 | goron | azeem: How do I query apt for the version of a particular package? |
| 17:44.56 | lissyx | So I have bought a remote control |
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| 17:44.58 | azeem | dpkg -l make |
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| 17:45.00 | lissyx | supported by lirc |
| 17:45.00 | enveezee | MyWay: have you made sure xmms is using an ALSA output plugin and pointing to the correct device node, and that you have permissions to access it? |
| 17:45.11 | cahoot | MyWay: leave xmms for the time being - does aplay <some.wav> work? |
| 17:45.18 | goron | azeem: 3.80+3.81.rc2- |
| 17:45.19 | lissyx | and trying to bind keys in lircrc to make it working in geexbox |
| 17:45.26 | enveezee | MyWay: if your sound works at all, then this is an xmms issue, not an ALSA issue btw |
| 17:45.34 | azeem | goron: ok, so that version didn't get shipped by Debian yet |
| 17:45.45 | MyWay | ALSA lib confmisc.c:560:(snd_determine_driver) could not open control for card 0ALSA lib conf.c:2700:(snd_config_hooks_call) function snd_config_hook_load_for_all_cards returned error: Invalid argument |
| 17:45.45 | MyWay | ALSA lib pcm.c:1969:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Invalid type for PCM default definition (id: default, value: cards.pcm.default) |
| 17:45.45 | MyWay | aplay: main:508: audio open error: Invalid argument |
| 17:45.48 | goron | azeem: What version? |
| 17:45.48 | MyWay | this appeared |
| 17:45.49 | lissyx | problem is that even if all keyes are correctly recognized by irw, in geexbox only play & pause works |
| 17:46.06 | azeem | goron: the version you just quoted |
| 17:46.08 | goron | azeem: I meant by shipped "distributed in unstable" |
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| 17:46.08 | lissyx | so it's a bit useless :) |
| 17:46.08 | MyWay | enveezee: but i can't listen anything! |
| 17:46.14 | azeem | goron: well, d'oh |
| 17:46.18 | azeem | it's unstabe |
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| 17:46.19 | goron | azeem: It's probably not in Stable. |
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| 17:46.36 | azeem | goron: ghc6 got fixed WRT that bug in the meantime anyway |
| 17:46.37 | enveezee | MyWay: eek.. which version of debian are you using? and you get no sounds from any applications? what kernel version as well please? |
| 17:46.41 | cahoot | MyWay: did you create an .asoundrc? if so - mv it out of the way |
| 17:46.56 | goron | azeem: you mean the package? CVS did not. |
| 17:46.57 | pepo | somebody here has a ati radeon 2000 working on debian? |
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| 17:47.05 | azeem | goron: of course I mean the package |
| 17:47.09 | enveezee | MyWay: wouldnt hurt to mention the type of audio device either |
| 17:47.10 | brest | is there any support fpr my centrino processor especially for the speedstep technology? |
| 17:47.12 | azeem | we're talking about Debian here. |
| 17:47.15 | netman1 | What does initiate the loading of the tun module and the creation of /dev/net/tun0? |
| 17:47.19 | goron | azeem: And you mean the apt-src package? |
| 17:47.26 | azeem | no, I mean ghc6 |
| 17:47.27 | MyWay | im using 3.1 sarge |
| 17:47.36 | MyWay | kernel 2.6 |
| 17:47.36 | mbishop | brest: the kernel has speed stepping support for many different 'centrino' processors |
| 17:47.47 | MyWay | .asoundrc? i don't know what's this |
| 17:47.52 | dabreegster | Hey. I have an AMD-K6 3D processor and I've always used the k6 or 386 architectures for kernel in testing. Now 2.6.12-1-386 seems to be obselete, at least in kernel headers, and I don't see a k6 or 386 arch for 2.6.15. Is 686 compatible with AMD K6? |
| 17:47.52 | goron | azeem: But what has a binary installation got to do with make looping? |
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| 17:48.13 | azeem | goron: I am not talking about binary installations |
| 17:48.15 | brest | mbishop, so i don't need to load a kernel module or sth like that? |
| 17:48.26 | enveezee | MyWay: there never is was or will be a kernel 2.6 do you mean like 2.6.8-2-sarge1 or whatever it is now? |
| 17:48.30 | azeem | I said ghc6 in Debian got fixed WRT that make bug |
| 17:48.51 | azeem | goron: if you want to compile ghc from CVS, downgrade make |
| 17:48.52 | pipeline | dabreegster: The k6 processor is only 586-compatible, IIRC |
| 17:48.52 | MyWay | enveezee: i installed the 2.6.something for k8 |
| 17:48.53 | mbishop | brest: you need to build support for speedstepping in your kernel, wether that means modules or built in is up to you |
| 17:48.56 | azeem | or apply the same patch |
| 17:48.59 | MyWay | 2.6.8-11 |
| 17:49.00 | goron | azeem: so, if you don't mean the apt-src package, then what do you mean? |
| 17:49.01 | MyWay | or something like this |
| 17:49.04 | MyWay | can't remember! |
| 17:49.09 | azeem | goron: I mean the ghc6 package |
| 17:49.10 | pipeline | dabreegster: Despite being a 586-compatible processor, the k6 was as fast as its 686 counterparts :) |
| 17:49.26 | goron | azeem: The ghc6 package is binary in my terminology. |
| 17:49.27 | dabreegster | pipeline: There's no 586 arch or 386. What do I do, compile my own kernel? |
| 17:49.29 | lissyx | no one can help me so ? |
| 17:49.30 | brest | mbishop, is that activated with a normal debian kernel? |
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| 17:49.44 | azeem | goron: well, then your terminology is inconsistent with Debian's |
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| 17:49.53 | mbishop | brest: I don't know, I doubt it |
| 17:49.56 | goron | azeem: Oh, what is Debian's terminology? |
| 17:49.57 | azeem | nighthawk~$ apt-cache showsrc ghc6 |
| 17:49.57 | azeem | Package: ghc6 |
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| 17:50.07 | enveezee | MyWay: so you used the one in debian and didnt build your own.. did you install the alsa packages? has your sound ever worked since you installed the 2.6? |
| 17:50.09 | dabreegster | pipeline: I just don't understand why there isn't a 386 stock kernel in testing. 386 should work almost anywhere, so where is it? |
| 17:50.10 | azeem | Binary: ghc6-doc, ghc6, ghc6-hopengl, ghc6-libsrc, ghc6-prof |
| 17:50.33 | foo | err, when I start up my laptop the screen is about 50% of my actual screen .. .it starts at the dell logo, then at grub, then booting the system. When I startx, my screen becomes full size. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 17:50.36 | wols_ | dabreegster: debian will need a 486 at least due to some C++ ABI issues |
| 17:50.37 | azeem | ghc6 is one of the binary packages built by the ghc6 source package |
| 17:50.38 | MyWay | enveezee: i installed alsa-base alsa-utils, and no it never worked |
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| 17:50.46 | syntaxis | dabreegster: true 386 support was dropped a while back |
| 17:50.53 | zood_ | could someone remind me where to paste/flood? dpkg doesn't seem to want to tell me today |
| 17:50.57 | justin | foo: fix what? |
| 17:50.59 | brest | mbishop, thx |
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| 17:51.07 | netman1 | foo: probably a kernel parameter with vga=??? |
| 17:51.09 | wols_ | zood_: pastebin.com for example. or #flood |
| 17:51.14 | zood_ | ty |
| 17:51.20 | dabreegster | wols_, syntaxis: So what should I do? Which stock kernel will work? |
| 17:51.59 | wols_ | dabreegster: try the install kernel. heck, install woody since it's such an old machine |
| 17:52.31 | enveezee | MyWay: have you run alsa-config |
| 17:52.37 | MyWay | does i need linux-sound-base enveezee? |
| 17:52.43 | dabreegster | wols_: I'm not going to Woody, I like testing. I've got tons of testing stuff. I guess I'll compile my own. Seems silly to not have a stock kernel for older machines. |
| 17:52.45 | pipeline | dabreegster: Uh, unstable still has 486 kernels. What's the problem here? |
| 17:52.46 | MyWay | yes i run it and configured with no errors |
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| 17:53.13 | goron | azeem: "showsrc displays all the source package records", seems like what apt-src uses... |
| 17:53.14 | enveezee | man I am getting real aggrivated with my chat window loosing focus in windows, in linux I make my terminal enter-only so it gains focus on hover, and wont loose it unless I click on something else |
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| 17:53.25 | whitewove | hey i'm getting the error "The following packages have unmet dependencies" gnome-desktop-environment but it is not going to be installed, what's wrong and how do i fix it? |
| 17:53.30 | dabreegster | pipeline: I'm on testing. Going unstable is a bad idea for me; I'm on dialup and I can't be constantly updating. |
| 17:53.33 | enveezee | the damn thing is full screen and somehow I keep loosing focus to type in it |
| 17:53.39 | pipeline | dabreegster: I'm sure there are 486 images in testing, too. |
| 17:53.40 | MyWay | lol |
| 17:53.46 | mbishop | enveezee: that's what you get? :P |
| 17:53.47 | azeem | goron: I don't use apt-src and apt-src is not really the official way |
| 17:53.49 | MyWay | enveezee: does i need linux-base-sound? |
| 17:53.52 | pipeline | dabreegster: Are you sure you're looking for the right packag ename? It's going to be linux-image, not kernel-image. |
| 17:53.59 | enveezee | MyWay: never heard of it |
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| 17:54.05 | MyWay | hm |
| 17:54.08 | dabreegster | pipeline: Not that I see. I'll do another apt-get update in a minute, but I checked packages.debian.org |
| 17:54.19 | goron | azeem: what is the official way for source? |
| 17:54.24 | dabreegster | pipeline: Positive. I found out about the linux-image switch a while back |
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| 17:54.28 | azeem | apt-get source <package> |
| 17:54.41 | pipeline | dabreegster: Then install the unstable kernel package *shrug* |
| 17:54.59 | dabreegster | pipeline: That might break something, but I'll try it. |
| 17:55.02 | pipeline | enveezee: Install the microsoft tweakui powertoy. It will allow you to enable sloppy focus. |
| 17:55.14 | tarzeau | azeem: is there a way to get all source packages that are binary way installed? dpkg -l lists only binary package names... |
| 17:55.18 | pipeline | dabreegster: It won't break anything if you use pinning correctly to ensure that your whole system doesn't upgrade. |
| 17:55.30 | enveezee | pipeline: heh, I didnt know you could change the focus model at all.. thats cool. |
| 17:55.42 | dabreegster | pipeline: I'll read up on pinning then, I've never used it. Thanks. |
| 17:55.45 | pipeline | enveezee: Tweakui doesn't come with windows ootb. You have to go download it from microsoft. |
| 17:56.04 | pipeline | dabreegster: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 17:56.09 | MyWay | Who can help me with alsa please? i configured it but can't listen anything! |
| 17:56.11 | dabreegster | pipeline: Thanks |
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| 17:56.25 | streuner | apt, listkeys alsa |
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| 17:56.55 | streuner | MyWay: factoid debian alsa howto sounds promising |
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| 17:57.13 | MyWay | ? |
| 17:57.32 | enveezee | MyWay: people will keep pointing you again and again to useless information if you keep asking useless questions. put all the details in a pastebin or something.. kernel version, sound card type, all the errors..etc |
| 17:57.38 | streuner | MyWay: /msg apt debian alsa howto |
| 17:57.50 | whitewove | http://pastebin.com/636194 <---can someone help me with that error? |
| 17:58.11 | streuner | enveezee: how is a 'debian alsa howto' useless? |
| 17:58.16 | MyWay | i haven't errors, i simply can't listen anything, kernel 2.6.8-11 for k8 sound card embedded via82xx |
| 17:58.39 | streuner | MyWay: did alsaconf find the card? |
| 17:58.42 | enveezee | streuner: I dont know I never read it.. but he's having a specific issue that may or may not have anything at all to do with configuration |
| 17:58.43 | MyWay | yes |
| 17:59.15 | streuner | so why you didn't use aumix to unmute the channels and listen to sound? |
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| 17:59.43 | darkness_ | Say mabe not a debian question but is it possible to ban on irssi someone using tor? |
| 17:59.58 | MyWay | if i use OSS is the same, i can't listen anything but xmms bar MOVE! |
| 18:00.03 | streuner | darkness: /help? |
| 18:00.10 | MyWay | No body knowns? |
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| 18:00.14 | goron | azeem: About ghc: who is wrong? GHC or Debian Make? |
| 18:00.22 | \amethyst | MyWay: ALSA has a separate mixer, have you checked that the alsa mixer isn't muted? |
| 18:00.26 | enveezee | darkness_ possible? yes... reasonable.. no they are on tor.. they can easily obtain a new session id |
| 18:00.29 | streuner | darkness: ignore should be enough |
| 18:00.31 | MyWay | \amethyst: how? |
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| 18:01.00 | goron | Myon: streuner just gives you a good pointer. |
| 18:01.00 | \amethyst | MyWay: run alsamixer, check master and PCM |
| 18:01.10 | MyWay | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument |
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| 18:01.51 | streuner | MyWay: did you use aumix? |
| 18:01.58 | streuner | MyWay: same result? |
| 18:01.59 | MyWay | aumix? |
| 18:02.04 | MyWay | wait i try it |
| 18:02.04 | streuner | apt-get install aumix |
| 18:02.21 | whitewove | http://pastebin.com/636194 <---can someone help me with that error? |
| 18:02.24 | pipeline | What are options WRT ORM using Lisp ? |
| 18:02.29 | pipeline | other than Elephant |
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| 18:03.14 | MyWay | streuner it works |
| 18:03.22 | MyWay | how do i save the setting? |
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| 18:03.44 | wols_ | darkness_: if it's on freenode, you might be able to complain to a staffer |
| 18:03.45 | *** part/#debian lordnazgul (n=lordnazg@adsl-75-2-78-229.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:03.52 | itguy | streuner: can i ask you for some help if you are not busy? |
| 18:04.07 | wols_ | darkness_: and I think there is a setting on freenode to block tor users from entering |
| 18:04.10 | streuner | itguy: ask in channel |
| 18:04.15 | wols_ | a channelmode that is |
| 18:04.32 | \amethyst | MyWay: alsactl store to save |
| 18:04.46 | itguy | i m trying to lear the basics right now |
| 18:04.53 | streuner | MyWay: Press (S) for save |
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| 18:04.55 | MyWay | hm always the same, "check your soundcard is configured proprerly ect.." |
| 18:05.13 | napoleao | anyone know which package provides de perl module Statistics::Distributions ? |
| 18:05.16 | itguy | and for me not to mess things up i'm trying not to be a root |
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| 18:05.37 | streuner | MyWay: are you root and run aumix? |
| 18:05.41 | MyWay | yes |
| 18:05.57 | itguy | so as red i have to use the SU to switch to the user itguy |
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| 18:06.06 | itguy | or super user |
| 18:06.12 | itguy | i am login as a root |
| 18:06.19 | itguy | how can i change to itguy |
| 18:06.20 | dabreegster | itguy: I haven't been following this conversation, but have you added your normal user to the audio group? |
| 18:06.27 | streuner | MyWay: did you log in and back out after you add your user to audio? |
| 18:06.33 | dvs | dabreegster: that's MyWay |
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| 18:06.36 | priscila | itguy: you can use logout and login with your user |
| 18:06.46 | itguy | dabreegster: no |
| 18:07.02 | dabreegster | dvs: I should read before I advise, then. |
| 18:07.08 | MyWay | when i tried adding it it sayd the user was already in the group streuner |
| 18:07.17 | itguy | priscila: i get logout is not bash use exit |
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| 18:07.32 | priscila | itguy: to run a comand as your user, use su youruser or su your user -c 'command' |
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| 18:08.03 | streuner | MyWay: so when you run xmms as root, everythink works ok? |
| 18:08.24 | MyWay | i don't know |
| 18:08.30 | \amethyst | MyWay: As the user, what does the command id output? |
| 18:08.41 | MyWay | \amethyst: how for check it? |
| 18:08.44 | priscila | itguy: exec login, and login with your username |
| 18:08.49 | \amethyst | MyWay: Run id |
| 18:08.50 | streuner | just run 'id' |
| 18:09.12 | enveezee | what do they call those stock abbreviations? |
| 18:09.30 | enveezee | like MSFT and GOOG |
| 18:09.33 | MyWay | oh |
| 18:09.39 | MyWay | yes if i'm root |
| 18:09.39 | itguy | priscila: i know but no matter what when i whoami i get root |
| 18:09.41 | MyWay | it works! |
| 18:09.49 | whitewove | enveezee: symbols |
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| 18:09.55 | \amethyst | enveezee: ticker symbols |
| 18:10.03 | priscila | MyWay: are you added in the audio group? |
| 18:10.09 | MyWay | how did you know it streuner? |
| 18:10.17 | MyWay | priscila: i don't know |
| 18:10.18 | enveezee | ah, thats it.. I wanted to add more to my google page, but I dont know them off the top of my head and I didnt know what they were called to search |
| 18:11.13 | streuner | permission problems aren't often in ALSA |
| 18:11.13 | streuner | s/aren't/are/ |
| 18:11.13 | MyWay | streuner and how can i do for listen also with normal user? |
| 18:11.13 | priscila | MyWay: run 'groups' it will returns the groups you're in |
| 18:11.29 | MyWay | dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 18:11.33 | streuner | MyWay: login as user and make sure this user is in audio group |
| 18:11.45 | streuner | MyWay: log out and back in. |
| 18:11.46 | \amethyst | hmm... strange |
| 18:11.47 | streuner | done |
| 18:11.53 | itguy | priscila: and even now i am a usr itguy i'm trying to rm /etc/resolv.conf and i get rm: remove write-protected regular file `/etc/resolv.conf'? |
| 18:11.56 | MyWay | this is the output when im user |
| 18:12.01 | priscila | MyWay: you must added in the audio group to access /dev/dsp (device sound) |
| 18:12.07 | MyWay | how? |
| 18:12.24 | \amethyst | You're already in the audio group... |
| 18:12.31 | streuner | adduser user audio |
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| 18:12.57 | MyWay | it says i'm already in the group |
| 18:12.58 | streuner | MyWay: what happens if you run xmms as user? |
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| 18:13.23 | itguy | streuner: can i jump in here real quick and ask you what is the benfit for usr audio? |
| 18:13.23 | MyWay | i can't listen anything streuner: the messagebox appear "check your soundcard is configured.." |
| 18:13.27 | paolob | Hi guys! Where are the glibc in debian? thank you! |
| 18:13.34 | priscila | itguy: do it have write permission? |
| 18:13.39 | streuner | itguy: to listen sound as user? |
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| 18:13.54 | \amethyst | itguy: because you don't necessarily want all your users to be able to access the sound card |
| 18:14.17 | \amethyst | itguy: I let some of my friends log in remotely to my computer, but I don't want them recording me :) |
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| 18:14.51 | cahoot | \amethyst: admittedly that *is* rather far fetched for the standard home user |
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| 18:15.23 | itguy | \amethyst: huh..i have the speaker icon but i can't listen to anything no matter what am i root or usr..that strange |
| 18:15.29 | streuner | \amethyst: damn, this nick sucks |
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| 18:15.47 | streuner | its dark here... |
| 18:15.50 | MyWay | streuner: how can i do? you know? |
| 18:15.52 | pusling | xorg from experimental ? any one tried it ? |
| 18:16.12 | itguy | \amethyst: would you help me |
| 18:16.29 | streuner | MyWay: just do what we told you |
| 18:16.37 | \amethyst | \amethyst: Other than checking your mixer settings, I don't know how to help. I don't do much audio stuff |
| 18:16.41 | MyWay | what you told me? :O |
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| 18:16.52 | streuner | MyWay: what happens if you run xmms as user? |
| 18:17.04 | MyWay | streuner: the messagebox with the error appear |
| 18:17.16 | MyWay | "check your soundcard is cnfigured properly.." |
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| 18:17.54 | streuner | MyWay: go into Preferences and enable ALSA as OUTPUT (Plugin) |
| 18:17.55 | priscila | MyWay: as i said to you .. you must add your user in audio group .. nothing more ... |
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| 18:18.06 | \amethyst | priscila: the user was already in audio group |
| 18:18.07 | whitewove | http://pastebin.com/636194 <---can someone help me with that error? |
| 18:18.09 | MyWay | priscila: i'm already in it |
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| 18:18.20 | MyWay | streuner: already, it's enabled |
| 18:18.33 | streuner | hm |
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| 18:18.39 | goron | MyWay: You know you need to relogin, right? |
| 18:18.44 | \amethyst | MyWay: try running xmms from the command line so you can see if there are any more verbose error messages to the console |
| 18:18.52 | MyWay | ok |
| 18:18.57 | \amethyst | s/the console/stderr/ |
| 18:19.10 | priscila | MyWay: what did you do in file permissions? it's strange |
| 18:19.22 | MyWay | nothing i think |
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| 18:19.42 | priscila | MyWay: try chmod 666 /dev/dsp .. |
| 18:19.48 | streuner | not that wild, because he can run xmms as root fine |
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| 18:20.09 | streuner | apt, fuck udev |
| 18:20.12 | priscila | MyWay: logged as root .. |
| 18:20.17 | MyWay | ah now i understand |
| 18:20.23 | streuner | argh, apt with its language control... |
| 18:20.24 | MyWay | with root it works because it's OSS output |
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| 18:20.31 | priscila | streuner: i use udev here, and i dont have any problem ... |
| 18:20.35 | MyWay | but with user it's alsa and wont work |
| 18:20.45 | streuner | priscila: stay here for while... |
| 18:21.09 | MyWay | so i think i will use OSS |
| 18:21.14 | MyWay | :O |
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| 18:21.24 | goron | I am using udev too. It works (even my network) |
| 18:21.25 | cahoot | MyWay: does /dev/snd/pcmC0Dop even exist? |
| 18:21.33 | streuner | MyWay: so you have OSS modules and ALSA modules loaded? |
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| 18:21.38 | cahoot | MyWay: err does /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p even exist? |
| 18:21.45 | MyWay | how can i check? |
| 18:21.51 | MyWay | streuner: don't know |
| 18:21.52 | \amethyst | MyWay: ls -l /dev/snd |
| 18:22.02 | priscila | MyWay: can you run alsamixer? |
| 18:22.04 | streuner | MyWay: lsmod - look for soundmodules and tell us |
| 18:22.06 | priscila | as a user |
| 18:22.07 | itguy | my sound is working lol |
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| 18:23.01 | MyWay | lsmod -l /dev/snd |
| 18:23.01 | MyWay | Usage: lsmod |
| 18:23.09 | MyWay | this is if im user |
| 18:23.22 | cahoot | <\amethyst> MyWay: ls -l /dev/snd |
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| 18:23.45 | daeos | how can i kill/kick other logged in users ? |
| 18:23.45 | MyWay | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 0 2006-03-11 23:25 controlC0 |
| 18:23.45 | MyWay | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 32 2006-03-11 23:25 controlC1 |
| 18:23.45 | MyWay | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 64 2006-03-11 23:25 controlC2 |
| 18:23.45 | MyWay | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 96 2006-03-11 23:25 controlC3 |
| 18:23.46 | MyWay | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 4 2006-03-11 23:25 hwC0D0 |
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| 18:24.18 | daeos | MyWay: use pastebin |
| 18:24.18 | MyWay | ops |
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| 18:24.50 | cahoot | MyWay: try (as user) aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav |
| 18:24.52 | priscila | daeos: you can kill the shell when they are logged |
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| 18:25.16 | priscila | s/when/where |
| 18:25.24 | MyWay | aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav |
| 18:25.25 | MyWay | ALSA lib confmisc.c:560:(snd_determine_driver) could not open control for card 0ALSA lib conf.c:2700:(snd_config_hooks_call) function snd_config_hook_load_for_all_cards returned error: Invalid argument |
| 18:25.25 | MyWay | ALSA lib pcm.c:1969:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Invalid type for PCM default definition (id: default, value: cards.pcm.default) |
| 18:25.25 | MyWay | aplay: main:508: audio open error: Invalid argument |
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| 18:26.36 | daeos | ps -aux |
| 18:26.39 | cahoot | MyWay: read the content of /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:26.39 | daeos | right? |
| 18:26.46 | daeos | will show me logged in sessions |
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| 18:27.01 | MyWay | http://pastebin.com/636241 |
| 18:27.03 | fmasi | hi how do i add meny directories to a sigle tar file preserving all the ownership and permitions is it whith tar cvvpf ??? |
| 18:27.06 | MyWay | this is the output before |
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| 18:27.18 | zood_ | I'm compiling something and I get the error "Can't find X includes". Anyone know what I need to install? |
| 18:27.28 | itguy | this is really driving me crazy....how can i check what permission for a usr i have ? |
| 18:27.46 | cahoot | MyWay: looks like you have three cards |
| 18:27.51 | MyWay | lol |
| 18:27.54 | MyWay | i have one only |
| 18:27.54 | MyWay | ;P |
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| 18:28.07 | Howitzer | How do i get an a notification for new updates in my Gnome Notification Area? |
| 18:28.08 | cahoot | MyWay: read the content of /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:28.10 | streuner | itguy: log in as user and run 'groups' |
| 18:28.34 | MyWay | 0 [rev60 ]: VIA8233 - VIA 823x rev60 |
| 18:28.34 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.38 | MyWay | cahoot: this is the content |
| 18:28.58 | scyrma | since I upgraded to linux-image-2.6.16-1-k7 (from 2.6.15), my external hd (using firewire) isn't detected anymore ... any ideas? |
| 18:29.15 | itguy | streuner: itguy dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev....is this is normal |
| 18:29.30 | cahoot | MyWay: try /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload |
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| 18:29.40 | streuner | MyWay: WHAT THE FUCK are you using, ALSA? |
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| 18:29.50 | streuner | MyWay: or OSS |
| 18:29.51 | MyWay | yes streuner |
| 18:29.53 | MyWay | alsa |
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| 18:29.57 | MyWay | with alsa doesn't works with oss it works |
| 18:30.04 | fmasi | some one please help me. How to creat a tar with mey directoryes preserving ownership and permitions ? |
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| 18:30.36 | MyWay | cahoot: same as before |
| 18:30.37 | \amethyst | fmasi: tar czf |
| 18:30.43 | streuner | MyWay: /j #flood |
| 18:30.47 | priscila | faw: :) |
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| 18:31.02 | \amethyst | fmasi: However, you have to untar as root to use the stored owner |
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| 18:31.15 | faw | priscila, :) |
| 18:31.17 | fmasi | \amethyst will it kep all permitions so i cane taje it to a difrent pc and still have the same mod |
| 18:31.25 | itguy | i'm reading on sec 7.1 Permissions on the Debian Tutorial, it's asking me to run a cmd rm /etc/resolv.conf as a user and i am suppouse to get Permission denied, but i don't know what is going wrong and instade i get rm: remove write-protected regular file `/etc/resolv.conf'? |
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| 18:31.38 | \amethyst | itguy: because you're using rm -i |
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| 18:31.52 | fmasi | \amethyst ok i will do it as root |
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| 18:32.13 | itguy | \amethyst: i am not using any switch with the rm?? |
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| 18:32.26 | valdyn | itguy: rm -i should be listed if you type 'alias' ( see man alias ) |
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| 18:33.00 | \amethyst | fmasi: ah, it prompts even without -i |
| 18:33.06 | \amethyst | fmasi: oops, wrong person |
| 18:33.10 | \amethyst | itguy: ah, it prompts even without -i |
| 18:33.19 | priscila | valdyn: i think run help alias is better than run man alias |
| 18:33.36 | priscila | alias is a bash's builtin function |
| 18:33.37 | streuner | MyWay: make sure no OSS modules are installed for your soundcard |
| 18:33.45 | fmasi | \amethyst ok i trying the tar |
| 18:33.53 | MyWay | how? |
| 18:33.55 | \amethyst | itguy: answer 'y' and you should get `permission denied' |
| 18:33.56 | valdyn | priscila: right |
| 18:33.57 | itguy | valdyn: the only alias i have is alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 18:34.02 | \amethyst | itguy: or rm -f |
| 18:34.16 | \amethyst | itguy: check the second paragraph in man rm |
| 18:34.19 | streuner | MyWay: look into /etc/modules |
| 18:34.33 | itguy | \amethyst: |
| 18:34.35 | streuner | MyWay: and blacklist them in (/msg dpkg blacklist) |
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| 18:35.02 | itguy | \amethyst: will do thanks and when i typed y it return permission denied |
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| 18:35.18 | itguy | \amethyst: thanks |
| 18:35.22 | streuner | df |
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| 18:35.44 | streuner | MyWay: if you using discover look in /etc/discover (blacklist) |
| 18:35.49 | sammylvz | hi |
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| 18:36.06 | MyWay | ide-cd |
| 18:36.06 | MyWay | ide-detect |
| 18:36.06 | MyWay | ide-disk |
| 18:36.06 | MyWay | psmouse |
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| 18:36.31 | sammylvz | hi ever1 howz is u all |
| 18:36.47 | MyWay | ide-cd -ide-detect-ide-disk |
| 18:36.48 | MyWay | psmouse |
| 18:36.51 | streuner | s a m m y l v z : f i n e t h a n k s a n d y o u ? |
| 18:36.52 | MyWay | this is my /etc/modules |
| 18:37.01 | CoolCubix | I'm using my Palm with my mobile (infrared) to get Internet on a browser. It works well for web pages (HTTP and HTTPS, as long as it's port 80) ; thus because my mobile carrier has put a proxy which drops all connexions not on 80 port. But I want to get Jabber (which works on 6222 port) working... Do you have an idea to the proxy let me access it ? |
| 18:37.14 | sammylvz | streuner:ok thanks |
| 18:37.22 | streuner | MyWay: discover |
| 18:37.30 | sammylvz | wat uall talkin bout |
| 18:37.31 | priscila | MyWay: as root run dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 18:37.35 | MyWay | streuner: don't have anything in discover |
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| 18:37.53 | abrotman | !tell sammylvz about why debian |
| 18:38.00 | Kinks | CoolCubix: what does this have to do with debian exactly? |
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| 18:38.03 | streuner | ravenbird: blacklist |
| 18:38.03 | ravenbird | streuner: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:38.06 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.06 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.06 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.06 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.07 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:38.20 | streuner | ravenbird, listvals blacklist |
| 18:38.22 | MyWay | wich one i choose? |
| 18:38.24 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'blacklist' by value returned no results. |
| 18:38.34 | abrotman | streuner: i don't think simonrvn syncs to dpkg's database |
| 18:38.35 | MyWay | │ Store mixer settings before shutdown? |
| 18:38.42 | sammylvz | i just what a chat |
| 18:38.45 | priscila | MyWay: it isnt relevant |
| 18:38.46 | streuner | abrotman: bad luck |
| 18:38.47 | abrotman | sammylvz: try #hottub |
| 18:38.49 | CoolCubix | Kinks> you're right... It's just a computing-related question. It has really nothing to do with debian but maybe is there a debian software to help me ? |
| 18:38.50 | abrotman | streuner: use badgers |
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| 18:39.03 | streuner | badgers, listvals blacklist |
| 18:39.04 | MyWay | Architecture-specific modutils configuration not found, using defaults |
| 18:39.06 | badgers | Factoid search of 'blacklist' by value (5): skip modules ;; intel8x0 ;; viasound ;; blacklist ;; open relay. |
| 18:39.07 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 18:39.08 | badgers | hmm... blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in ... |
| 18:39.08 | sammylvz | how do u get in the hottub |
| 18:39.16 | abrotman | sammylvz: /join #hottub |
| 18:39.22 | streuner | MyWay: /msg badgers blacklist |
| 18:39.31 | streuner | MyWay: and don't flood us ever! |
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| 18:39.50 | sammylvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.59 | MyWay | yes but |
| 18:40.03 | MyWay | wich modules i need add? |
| 18:40.04 | Eulex | sammylvz, without the initial space |
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| 18:40.31 | streuner | MyWay: via82cxxx |
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| 18:40.44 | priscila | MyWay: this command will configures it for you |
| 18:40.50 | priscila | its simple |
| 18:40.59 | MyWay | tell me it priscila :O |
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| 18:41.18 | Xteven | hm |
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| 18:41.26 | Xteven | it appears phpmyadmin changed recently |
| 18:42.03 | whitewove | http://pastebin.com/636194 <---can someone help me with that error? |
| 18:42.31 | priscila | MyWay: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base will reconfigure alsa for you |
| 18:42.36 | MyWay | i did it! |
| 18:43.03 | MyWay | but it's the same |
| 18:43.04 | priscila | MyWay: and what happened after you ran it? |
| 18:43.17 | streuner | MyWay: the module is still in RAM :-) |
| 18:43.18 | MyWay | priscila: Architecture-specific modutils configuration not found, using defaults |
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| 18:43.43 | CoolCubix | whitewove> you seem to have some broken packages. Try running synaptic and solve them ? |
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| 18:44.47 | cramm | Hi, I'm trying to compile some broadcom nic driver for a system running EMT64-SMP official sarge kernel on my ia32 sarge box. Ie created a sandbox, cdebootstraped it and I'm runnning module-assisant chrooted into it |
| 18:44.56 | MyWay | streuner: where i add it? |
| 18:45.04 | MyWay | etc hotplug blacklist? |
| 18:45.11 | MyWay | under all? |
| 18:45.32 | priscila | cramm: did you install kernel package on it? |
| 18:45.58 | abrotman | cramm: you have an ia32 running 64bit kernel? |
| 18:45.58 | cramm | I've already installed (among other packages) kernel-headers-2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp |
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| 18:46.14 | priscila | MyWay: you dont need modify any these files to configure your sound ;) |
| 18:46.28 | MyWay | priscila: he told me to remove a module |
| 18:46.29 | MyWay | :O |
| 18:46.34 | MyWay | i need do it or not? |
| 18:46.36 | unstable | MyWay: apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-base; alsaconf; |
| 18:46.41 | cramm | priscila: yes, and a bunch of other packages (build-essential, devscripts, debhelper, ...) |
| 18:46.45 | MyWay | unstable: i have it |
| 18:46.52 | streuner | priscila: the OSS module is still in RAM, do you think its a good idea in order to run ALSA then? |
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| 18:47.05 | j0rd | is there a software raid specific channel on freenode? I need some help setting up my arrays |
| 18:47.19 | priscila | streuner: i think no ;) |
| 18:47.29 | MyWay | streuner: but can you help me doing it? |
| 18:47.33 | streuner | unstable: welcome to the club, you are already the 7th guy who wanna help him |
| 18:47.46 | MyWay | etc hotplug blacklist, add the module here? |
| 18:47.50 | unstable | MyWay: Then as non-root type "alsamixer" and turn up all levels |
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| 18:48.11 | MyWay | unstable: it's not it, i already tried before |
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| 18:48.29 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 18:48.29 | streuner | unstable: s/guy/guy,woman/ |
| 18:48.29 | badgers | tetrinet is probably probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 18:48.34 | cramm | abrotman: My hope was that installing a complete pristine sarge sandbox plus the right kernel-package on that chroot I could compile it on my ia32 system |
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| 18:49.02 | MyWay | streuner: can you tell me where to add the module? |
| 18:49.13 | priscila | MyWay: cramm is /proc mounted? |
| 18:49.16 | abrotman | cramm: which broadcom card is this ? |
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| 18:50.01 | cramm | but I getting compile errors that may mean that i'm doing something dumb |
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| 18:50.17 | fedya | i set up proftpd but i can't connect to it, iptables INPUT policy is drop |
| 18:50.27 | fedya | i have 21, 20 and 1024: open |
| 18:50.31 | fedya | but it still wont' connect |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 18:50.44 | badgers | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 18:50.50 | cramm | priscila: ehm, nope :( |
| 18:51.07 | j0rd | anyone familiar with /proc/mdstat ? Right i don't think my raid1 is mirroring. /proc/mdstat shows "7815488 blocks [1/1] [U]" when i think it should show something like [2/2] [UU]. Can someone point me in the right direction to fixing this |
| 18:51.11 | clueless_ | !debconf |
| 18:51.11 | badgers | hmm... debconf is Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. <http://auric.debian.org/~joeyh/debconf-stats/> |
| 18:51.16 | cramm | abrotman: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) |
| 18:51.33 | clueless_ | !debconf tell clueless |
| 18:51.35 | abrotman | cramm: tg3 doesn't work for that ? |
| 18:51.44 | abrotman | !tell clueless_ about msg the bot |
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| 18:53.10 | cramm | abrotman: yes, that's what the server is using right now, but bc5700-source contains the (non-free) firmare blob that allows enabling TSO |
| 18:53.20 | triller | --/usr/local/ssl/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by server1) <<< anybody knowing whats the version information ? |
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| 18:55.02 | abrotman | cramm: did you try using m-a ? |
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| 18:57.08 | cramm | abrotman: yes, that's what I'm using: m-a -tk /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp a-b bcm5700 |
| 18:57.53 | tarzeau | YAY |
| 18:58.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: BUM! |
| 18:58.04 | tarzeau | LOL |
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| 18:58.42 | valdyn | j0rd: it should list the devices / partitions involved too |
| 18:58.52 | cramm | this is the kind of compile errors that make me suspect that this kind of crosscompiling isn't possible or that I'm missing some piece: include/linux/bitops.h:118: warning: integer constant is too large for "unsigned long" type |
| 18:58.59 | fedya | what port do i need to open to allow ftp connection to go all the way through? |
| 18:59.51 | tarzeau | has someone got a sarge chroot/pbuilder ? |
| 19:00.05 | valdyn | fedya: for your server or client? |
| 19:00.10 | fedya | server |
| 19:00.20 | fedya | when i have policy INPUT ALLOW everythign works |
| 19:00.27 | fedya | but when i have it on drop it doesn't connect any more |
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| 19:00.32 | napoleao | anyone know which package provides de perl module Statistics::Distributions ? |
| 19:00.38 | fedya | i have 21 open and 20 (for active?) and 1024: for passive |
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| 19:00.52 | cdemwell | Hi |
| 19:01.03 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 19:01.03 | badgers | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 19:01.22 | valdyn | fedya: read that url badgers gave, it explains ftp |
| 19:01.32 | cdemwell | I'm not sure that I have a problem with /var/lib/dpkg/status, but it's one of the complaints that apt gives me when I try to do anything |
| 19:01.54 | cdemwell | can I regenerate a known-good copy of that file from somewhere, or is it important? |
| 19:02.42 | abrotman | !status-recovery |
| 19:02.43 | badgers | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f ... |
| 19:02.51 | cdemwell | badgers: Thank you |
| 19:02.51 | badgers | cdemwell: sure thing |
| 19:02.56 | abrotman | that doesn't seem quite right |
| 19:03.00 | valdyn | fedya: at least some ftp server permit you to limit the ports used so you dont have to open all |
| 19:03.12 | abrotman | cdemwell: that's not the full command |
| 19:03.18 | cdemwell | ? |
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| 19:03.36 | cdemwell | oh, I'll build that bridge when I get to it |
| 19:03.37 | zood_ | What packages do I need to install if I'm getting this following error during a ./configure: "configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found" |
| 19:04.05 | simonrvn | tried "apt-cache search qt dev" yet? |
| 19:04.06 | abrotman | !tell cdemwell about status-recovery |
| 19:04.08 | cramm | zood_: libqt*-dev ? |
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| 19:05.00 | fedya | well i'm able to connect, it just won't list |
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| 19:05.11 | cramm | tarzeau: i did |
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| 19:05.26 | cluck | hi |
| 19:05.37 | SaThaRiel | hi |
| 19:05.37 | cramm | fedya: set passive mode |
| 19:05.42 | tarzeau | cramm: could you build something for me, and give me the build log please? |
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| 19:06.21 | cdemwell | abrotman: Is it common that all backups are toast? |
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| 19:06.30 | simonrvn | no |
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| 19:06.36 | cdemwell | Because Im |
| 19:06.38 | cdemwell | er |
| 19:06.38 | abrotman | cdemwell: i've never lost mine |
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| 19:06.52 | cdemwell | I'm onto the second backsup now (1.gz) and I'm getting the same issue |
| 19:07.02 | cdemwell | it leads me to believe that I have a problem elsewhere |
| 19:07.03 | simonrvn | i had one fuck up, years ago. had a backup |
| 19:07.35 | cdemwell | is three lines OK to paste here? |
| 19:07.46 | simonrvn | 'status' fucked up, used status.1.gz or something |
| 19:07.50 | cramm | tarzeau: sure |
| 19:07.55 | cdemwell | hm |
| 19:08.03 | cdemwell | erc: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 19:08.03 | cdemwell | erc: Error occurred while processing libkdeedu1 (NewVersion1) |
| 19:08.03 | cdemwell | erc: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:08.08 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 19:08.09 | badgers | methinks dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge ... |
| 19:08.22 | simonrvn | dpkg dead again? |
| 19:08.35 | abrotman | aye |
| 19:08.41 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 19:09.01 | simonrvn | that's hardly a corrupt file ... |
| 19:09.05 | tarzeau | cramm: great, so i'll do thins thing before i go to sleep |
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| 19:09.17 | simonrvn | @tell root -about root |
| 19:09.21 | cdemwell | abrotman: Same problem |
| 19:09.38 | fedya | i do'nt understand why the ftp works so fast when firewall is opne, but whe it's on drop it works REALLY slow |
| 19:09.41 | fedya | or doesn't work at all |
| 19:09.44 | cdemwell | ah, must read better |
| 19:09.45 | cluck | how can i change the video mode of the console (preferably without rebooting) |
| 19:09.45 | cdemwell | sorry |
| 19:09.50 | abrotman | fedya: FFS .. ask #iptables |
| 19:09.52 | me0w | what about it |
| 19:09.55 | fedya | ah |
| 19:09.59 | fedya | abrotman: thx |
| 19:10.07 | cdemwell | woo |
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| 19:10.17 | simonrvn | wtf, you don't get why? um, missing the point of filtering, aren't you |
| 19:10.23 | Wille88 | why dnsmasq doesn't offer ip address to the client when I'm trying to boot the client over the network? here's my config: http://sakon.vankila.org/dnsmasq.conf |
| 19:10.30 | cdemwell | abrotman: Has anyone told you lately that you're a stellar source of help? |
| 19:10.46 | pusling | I have a X that will not start. startx just replies "xinit:server error" and no messages in logfiles. How do I debug this ? |
| 19:10.57 | abrotman | cdemwell: no .. they usually tell me i'm a bad person and they would like to use my fingers as skewers |
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| 19:11.05 | pipeline | pusling: start X manually rather than with xinit |
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| 19:11.06 | cdemwell | well hell |
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| 19:11.18 | cdemwell | abrotman: You are a steallar source of help. |
| 19:11.24 | abrotman | !tell plugwash about root |
| 19:11.28 | abrotman | cdemwell: thank you |
| 19:11.47 | simonrvn | that's nice |
| 19:11.47 | cramm | tarzeau: what do you need me to build? |
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| 19:11.53 | colter | I can't find an appropriate apt command to dump a list of all currently installed packages, can anybody give me a hint? |
| 19:11.56 | pusling | pipeline: you mean by the X command ? |
| 19:12.01 | abrotman | colter: dpkg -l |
| 19:12.07 | pusling | pipeline: X don't seem to do anything except exit 0 ;) |
| 19:12.08 | simonrvn | colter: dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 19:12.18 | abrotman | you'd think plugwash would know better .. he's been here before |
| 19:12.19 | colter | abrotman: thanks! was looking in the wrong place |
| 19:12.23 | Durin | colter: dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:12.26 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 19:12.27 | badgers | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 19:12.43 | simonrvn | --get-selections | grep install |
| 19:13.01 | colter | Durin: thanks |
| 19:13.18 | Durin | simonrvn: wrong - you are missing hold packages |
| 19:13.19 | tarzeau | cramm: i need to update it first. links2 (i'll have it in 15-30 minutes) |
| 19:13.30 | tarzeau | cramm: it'll fix like 5 bugs... |
| 19:14.00 | cramm | tarzeau: k |
| 19:14.05 | simonrvn | oh yeh, so you modify it: '(hold|install)' |
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| 19:14.11 | simonrvn | using egrep |
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| 19:14.23 | abrotman | plugwash: third time a charm ? |
| 19:14.28 | plugwash | http://rafb.net/paste/results/PGLEaP22.html <-- any idea how to fix this |
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| 19:15.16 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:15.16 | badgers | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 19:15.27 | plugwash | !xterm colors |
| 19:15.34 | abrotman | plugwash: sid? |
| 19:15.41 | plugwash | abrotman etch |
| 19:15.48 | abrotman | check the bts? |
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| 19:17.05 | plugwash | looking there now |
| 19:17.33 | plugwash | lots of bugs on xterm but none release critical (which i'd expect an issue that makes text invisible to be) |
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| 19:18.08 | abrotman | i'm not sure where $LS_COLORS get set from .. and i'm not even sure that's the issue |
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| 19:19.27 | abrotman | plugwash: do you have a uhm a conf file to change colors for xterm? |
| 19:19.39 | plugwash | abrotman not that i know of |
| 19:19.57 | plugwash | i don't think i've ever reconfigured xterm in any way on here |
| 19:20.00 | zood_ | could someone please glance at http://pastebin.com/636328 and offer a suggestion as to what packages I need to install? |
| 19:20.27 | abrotman | zood_: you need a -dev package |
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| 19:20.58 | zood_ | abrotman, I installed libqt3-dev |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | might need a different one |
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| 19:21.16 | abrotman | maybe like qt-mt-dev or some crap |
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| 19:21.38 | abrotman | zood_: might have better luck asking #debian-kde |
| 19:21.44 | zood_ | abrotman, sure makes me appreciate the debian package management system... |
| 19:21.47 | cluck | can someone please tell me how can i change the video mode of the console (preferably without rebooting)? |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | zood_: ? |
| 19:22.14 | abrotman | cluck: afaik .. you can't |
| 19:22.16 | zood_ | trying to install amarok from svn |
| 19:22.27 | abrotman | right |
| 19:22.41 | abrotman | zood_: apt-cache search qt mt dev |
| 19:24.26 | cramm | tarzeau: what I have is a cdeboostraped sarge chroot on a sarge system. I'm reading now that pbuilder benefits from an archive cache or fast access to an archive, Im'willing to install it but my connection isn't that fast. Does this suit you? |
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| 19:24.43 | sussudio | dpkg still dead? |
| 19:24.50 | tarzeau | cramm: perfectly fine, when i can just say where the source package is, and get the build log |
| 19:24.55 | gnufan | !beer gnufan |
| 19:25.01 | tarzeau | cramm: if you are nm/dd i can even provide you a shell with faster internet and local mirror |
| 19:25.05 | brest | hello guys, if i just installed xfce4 which applications are more performant gtk or qt applications? |
| 19:25.22 | tarzeau | cramm: but i hate pbuilder/chroot maintaining. i just do some packages and i need the buildlog of clean build environments |
| 19:25.32 | Maakuth | brest, xfce uses gtk so it's already in memory |
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| 19:26.13 | goron | Is it possible to put in my path that I want to use make from /usr/local/bin and ghc from /usr/bin/? |
| 19:26.21 | brest | Maakut, hey thanks, so i should prefer gnome apps instead of kde apps, right? |
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| 19:26.44 | Maakuth | brest, maybe yeah |
| 19:26.48 | Maakuth | but it doesn't |
| 19:26.48 | dannyp_ | ooh, yuengling. good choice |
| 19:26.55 | Maakuth | .... doesn't matter too much |
| 19:26.56 | cluck | damn.. that's stupid.. |
| 19:27.06 | abrotman | sussudio: apparently |
| 19:27.11 | cramm | tarzeau: ok. No i'm not a dd nor a nm, just an user |
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| 19:27.12 | brest | Maakuth, okay thanks |
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| 19:27.19 | seek | While attempting to log in to my desktop (KDE) I receive the message: xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp. How do I resolve this problem? |
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| 19:27.30 | Maakuth | if you have sloooow computer, then it matters more, but after you've started one qt-app, you have qt libs in memory an it doesn't make any difference |
| 19:27.31 | abrotman | ls -ld /tmp/ |
| 19:27.35 | gnufan | goron: whats wrong our make not good enough for you ;) |
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| 19:27.40 | abrotman | Piggy: i'll save you! |
| 19:27.42 | unix_infidel | is it possible to set the max charge of the battery while on ac/ |
| 19:27.43 | brest | Maakuth, i understand |
| 19:27.47 | brest | merci |
| 19:27.48 | abrotman | badgers: die |
| 19:27.48 | badgers | I'll murder you abrotman! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
| 19:27.54 | seek | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:27.55 | tarzeau | cramm: but a lovely user :) i'm just going through the bugs.debian.org/links2 to catch them all |
| 19:27.56 | unix_infidel | like tell acpi to somehow stop charging the battery at 94 percent or so. |
| 19:28.00 | goron | gnufan: Debian version, no, FSF version, yes. |
| 19:28.03 | abrotman | seek: what are the perms ? |
| 19:28.08 | itguy | where can i get more info about group? |
| 19:28.13 | goron | gnufan: pick your side! |
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| 19:28.37 | gnufan | goron: the FSF are happy for Debian to use their version ;) |
| 19:28.43 | moshii | I've built an nvidia-glx package that works with Xorg 7 from experimental if anyone wants it. ^^ |
| 19:28.48 | tarzeau | sussudio: wow you said something :) |
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| 19:28.56 | tarzeau | sussudio: and it has nothing to do with snakes or badgers |
| 19:28.58 | sussudio | no i didn't. |
| 19:29.06 | tarzeau | now you did! |
| 19:29.24 | abrotman | badgers: sw sussudio |
| 19:29.25 | badgers | sussudio: you stats whore! |
| 19:29.37 | unix_infidel | anyone/? |
| 19:29.43 | seek | abrotman, until last night the perms were OK allowing user to write to /tmp. I was heavily re-arranging the Menu to suit my fancy and found myself locked out. |
| 19:29.56 | cluck | can someone with a handy apt-file at hand tellme in which package vidcontrol is? |
| 19:30.02 | abrotman | seek: so what does ls -ld /tmp/ say ? |
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| 19:31.30 | gnufan | unix_infidel: no idea -- I've yet to be able to temove the "noacpi" option and run my laptop reliably (with recent kernels). |
| 19:31.47 | seek | abrotman, I must get back to you on that. I do not have IRC from console installed. |
| 19:31.49 | itguy | is there is a man that talks about how to add/delete/modify users? |
| 19:31.58 | abrotman | seek: use irssi-text |
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| 19:32.07 | tarzeau | yeah the goatse man modifies users minds and dreams! |
| 19:32.12 | unix_infidel | gnufan: i've got everything working properly with my laptop. |
| 19:32.15 | abrotman | !tell itguy about grounding |
| 19:32.19 | abrotman | itguy: man adduser |
| 19:32.32 | unix_infidel | but i'm trying ton increase battery capacity so i wanted to know if acpi was capable of stopping the charge at 94 percent or so. |
| 19:32.40 | unix_infidel | as this increases the life of the battery. |
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| 19:33.03 | L_newbie | hello |
| 19:33.12 | triller | does anybody know, what is : Version Information at static or dynamic Libraries ? |
| 19:33.12 | L_newbie | i am a new user of linux |
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| 19:33.28 | L_newbie | can anyone help with the install |
| 19:33.30 | seek | abrotman, will do. I will install irssi now. |
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| 19:33.57 | lzhang | is there any way to get video out of a box without a video card, perhaps through the serial ports? |
| 19:34.11 | \amethyst | lzhang: is text-only okay? |
| 19:34.14 | abrotman | video like X or a terminal? |
| 19:34.14 | lzhang | yes |
| 19:34.18 | lzhang | terminal |
| 19:34.19 | \amethyst | lzhang: yes, serial console |
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| 19:34.27 | thingfish | L_newbie: why don't you just start the install, and ask questions as they arise? |
| 19:34.41 | L_newbie | i fineshed the |
| 19:34.45 | L_newbie | install 3 times |
| 19:34.51 | L_newbie | [crying] |
| 19:35.02 | smcavoy | hello. I am getting pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 19:35.09 | abrotman | L_newbie: what doesn't work about it ? |
| 19:35.19 | L_newbie | i am messing up with my video |
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| 19:35.26 | Adri2000 | hi |
| 19:35.27 | smcavoy | it then goes on to say sbin/init:428:cannot open dev/console |
| 19:35.38 | Adri2000 | how can i see the changelog between 2 package versions with apt ? |
| 19:35.39 | L_newbie | i cant start |
| 19:35.52 | L_newbie | the graphic interface |
| 19:35.56 | L_newbie | after the install |
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| 19:35.58 | abrotman | did you install one ? |
| 19:36.01 | Jhair | triller: I guess it should be the ABI version provided by a shared library (e.g. obtained through ldd -v <shared library>) |
| 19:36.10 | abrotman | smcavoy: that URL didn't help ? |
| 19:36.14 | L_newbie | i have ati radeon 9250 |
| 19:36.23 | L_newbie | and a tft monitor |
| 19:36.31 | \amethyst | lzhang: there's a section in the Serial HOWTO |
| 19:36.32 | smcavoy | abrotman: nope, I found that all the device files were there and I even ran the commands to be sure |
| 19:36.33 | abrotman | L_newbie: do you want kde or gnome or something else ? |
| 19:36.44 | L_newbie | kde |
| 19:36.46 | abrotman | smcavoy: which your old kernel or the broken one ? |
| 19:36.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: you mean something real |
| 19:36.55 | abrotman | L_newbie: apt-get install kdm kde x-window-system |
| 19:36.56 | L_newbie | i was using mandrake |
| 19:36.58 | L_newbie | before |
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| 19:37.03 | \amethyst | lzhang: aha, Documentation/serial-console.txt in the kernel source |
| 19:37.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're not using gnome or kde, are you? |
| 19:37.09 | abrotman | gnome |
| 19:37.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: now i'm disappointed |
| 19:37.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: i could still use blackbox |
| 19:37.22 | smcavoy | abrotman: my old kernels (sarge 2.6.8) work fine, this is with 2.6.15 debian and kernel.org 2.6.16 |
| 19:37.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: the minicommander sold me :) |
| 19:37.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: wait you also use firefox? |
| 19:37.31 | abrotman | no |
| 19:37.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: konqueror? |
| 19:37.47 | L_newbie | wait a sec |
| 19:37.48 | abrotman | opera mostly |
| 19:38.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: FREE SOFTWARE DESERTEUR!è |
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| 19:38.08 | L_newbie | i install the packages |
| 19:38.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: it is free |
| 19:38.28 | L_newbie | kde for example |
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| 19:38.51 | unity | does anyone know what package i must install so that i can view east-asian languages in writie? not the whole l10n or i18n package, just the so the characters don't appear as their unicode numbers or whatever |
| 19:38.53 | \amethyst | abrotman: That's not what tarzeau means by free and you know it :) |
| 19:39.06 | abrotman | \amethyst: it's free! .. |
| 19:39.06 | \amethyst | unity: do you have east-asian fonts? |
| 19:39.10 | L_newbie | but the system reports that it's not supported and it disables [i cannot recall the right ] |
| 19:39.12 | tarzeau | \amethyst: haha :) it's nice when secretaries speak for me |
| 19:39.19 | Adri2000 | <Adri2000> how can i see the changelog between 2 package versions with apt ? < with aptitude changelog it seems |
| 19:39.21 | L_newbie | words because i use em in another lang |
| 19:39.22 | tarzeau | \amethyst: but better don't ask abrotman what i do to my secretaries |
| 19:39.24 | L_newbie | [greek] |
| 19:39.30 | Adri2000 | bye |
| 19:39.32 | \amethyst | tarzeau: who you calling a secretary? :) |
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| 19:39.42 | tarzeau | \amethyst: you! :) |
| 19:39.47 | L_newbie | it askes me to correct the settings |
| 19:39.53 | L_newbie | but i cannot do it |
| 19:39.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gtkwebcore' returned no results. |
| 19:39.55 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/var/lib/init.d' returned no results. |
| 19:40.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'es1371.ko' returned no results. |
| 19:40.01 | abrotman | dpkg: you live! |
| 19:40.09 | abrotman | erm |
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| 19:40.56 | unity | \amethyst: all i see are bitstream, nimbus, and a couple others |
| 19:41.06 | unity | \amethyst: none with cjk-ish names |
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| 19:41.33 | \amethyst | unity: Are you more interested in C, J, or K? |
| 19:41.33 | geoffb | What is the proper channel for Etch installer questions? |
| 19:41.37 | unity | \amethyst: i'm using thunderbird's font preferences to look at a list of fonts, what is the best way to see a list of avaible fonts? |
| 19:41.42 | wols | !d-i |
| 19:41.43 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 19:41.43 | badgers | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
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| 19:41.52 | \amethyst | unity: gtkfontsel |
| 19:41.53 | Eulex | umh |
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| 19:41.58 | unity | \amethyst: i would all c and j, k is not necessary |
| 19:42.05 | Eulex | unbind badgers from ! |
| 19:42.05 | wols | sussudio: badgers bitte ausmachen |
| 19:42.11 | wols | oops |
| 19:42.16 | tarzeau | wols: LOL |
| 19:42.17 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:42.19 | wols | sussudio: please turn of badgers |
| 19:42.32 | wols | mixing english and german channels is evil. EVIL |
| 19:42.32 | geoffb | wols, I need an IRC channel, I'm not finding what I need on the web pages |
| 19:42.34 | vdepizzol | what will be the new software instalation in debian? |
| 19:42.37 | unity | \amethyst: to clarify [CJ] <-- needed. [K] <-- not needed |
| 19:42.42 | abrotman | sussudio: dpkg is back |
| 19:42.53 | wols | geoffb: ask here. if someone knows a better place he will answer |
| 19:43.01 | geoffb | wols, cool, thanks. |
| 19:43.30 | L_newbie | i am re-installing and i hope someone can help me with the settings [please-desperate....:(] |
| 19:43.37 | \amethyst | unity: you might want to look at the ttf-arphic-* packages for Chinese, and ttf-kochi-* for Japanese |
| 19:43.42 | \amethyst | unity: but those aren't the only ones |
| 19:44.11 | unity | \amethyst: ok thx |
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| 19:44.39 | wols | L_newbie: I see you have problems asking proper questions. but unfortunately this is outside the scope of #debian. a good place to start is http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 19:44.47 | geoffb | I have an old machine (was running some early Sarge beta), that I want to flatten and reinstall with Etch. Problem is, it won't boot CDs, so I have to use floppies. But floppy install gives my a 2.4 kernel, and things are broken. Is there a way to floppy install a 2.6, or should I just install 2.6 as my first action after the install reboot? |
| 19:44.47 | \amethyst | Hmm... I think I need a telugu font |
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| 19:45.09 | wols | geoffb: if 2.4 works, it's fine |
| 19:45.10 | unstable | geoffb: Why don't you just upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 19:45.25 | unstable | (dist-upgrade) |
| 19:45.26 | L_newbie | i ll try |
| 19:45.31 | L_newbie | thx |
| 19:45.34 | wols | geoffb: of course your problem was you reinstalled in the first place. you always dist-upgrade if you already have a debian running :) |
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| 19:45.47 | geoffb | unstable, because the machine had a VERY old sarge, and the dist-upgrade would have basically been as much download, but without correct configuration |
| 19:45.56 | cluck | isn't there a bsd's vidcontrol like tool in debian? |
| 19:45.58 | unstable | !sarge->etch |
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| 19:46.00 | wols | geoffb: but installing with 2.4 and then installing 2.6 immediately is fine. you never should run the bootfloppies kernel anyways (usually) |
| 19:46.43 | geoffb | Fair enough -- I assume the init.d scripts will just Do The Right Thing? |
| 19:46.51 | wols | yes |
| 19:46.59 | geoffb | wols, cool. |
| 19:47.08 | wols | yes debian is very cool indeed |
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| 19:47.27 | L_newbie | i am also a new user on irc, i guess i was some kind of rude? |
| 19:47.29 | L_newbie | sorry |
| 19:47.31 | L_newbie | ... |
| 19:47.33 | plugwash | well i found the problem |
| 19:47.47 | plugwash | it was a missing rgb.txt downloading one from the web fixed it |
| 19:48.00 | wols | L_newbie: no not rude. just wasted time. it's actually more or less polite, but we IT people don't like politeness but we want information |
| 19:48.03 | plugwash | no idea why it was missing though, i have the package installed that is supposed to contain it |
| 19:48.11 | geoffb | wols, unstable, and as a side note -- I've noticed in the past that upgrading a way out of date (used to be) testing system to a current testing system often gets config wrong ... which is why I now avoid that particular upgrade path on reflex. :-) |
| 19:48.13 | abrotman | i told him what to do |
| 19:48.18 | unstable | L_newbie: What type of video card do you have? |
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| 19:48.32 | L_newbie | i read about the topic |
| 19:48.43 | unstable | geoffb: upgrades work flawlessly for me |
| 19:48.46 | L_newbie | i am sorry i don't even understand it |
| 19:48.55 | L_newbie | i use a radeon 9250 |
| 19:49.05 | unstable | L_newbie: When it asks you about video driver, choose "vesa" |
| 19:49.06 | unstable | ok? |
| 19:49.06 | L_newbie | i terribly sorry |
| 19:49.13 | unstable | !it |
| 19:49.13 | L_newbie | ok |
| 19:49.13 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:49.14 | badgers | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:49.14 | abrotman | L_newbie: apt-get install kdm kde x-window-system |
| 19:49.15 | dvs | unstable: no, radoen |
| 19:49.16 | L_newbie | thank you |
| 19:49.18 | L_newbie | !!!!!!! |
| 19:49.18 | dpkg | well, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 19:49.19 | badgers | !!!!! is, like, "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 19:49.19 | geoffb | unstable, even when the box has been gathering dust for 2 years? You are either a lucky man, or don't have Gnome. ;-) |
| 19:49.23 | wols | L_newbie: don't always apologize |
| 19:49.25 | unstable | eh, badgers go away |
| 19:49.30 | unstable | Who owns badgers? |
| 19:49.39 | jengelh | what's dpkg (the bot)'s command for continuing output? |
| 19:49.41 | L_newbie | one last question |
| 19:49.55 | \amethyst | L_newbie: that's an rv280 chipset, right? |
| 19:50.00 | unstable | L_newbie: If you are going to suceed on irc, you must be as rude as possible. |
| 19:50.09 | \amethyst | L_newbie: the new radeon driver might work as well, and will be faster than VESA if it does |
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| 19:50.12 | dvs | unstable: hahahahhahaha |
| 19:50.15 | unstable | L_newbie: Don't forget... choose "vesa" and then use the defaults for everything else. |
| 19:50.15 | wols | L_newbie: look at the vesa one first and later when you are more comfotable install the fglrx driver, especially if you need 3D support |
| 19:50.17 | cahoot | L_newbie: at least thick skinned |
| 19:50.23 | geoffb | L_newbie, note rude != mean, of course |
| 19:50.28 | \amethyst | L_newbie: err, free radeon driver, not `new' |
| 19:50.33 | L_newbie | when the install asks for something, selecting as an answer the "proposed" answer, is it 90% the ideal? |
| 19:50.41 | dvs | unstable: no, radeon will work with 9250 |
| 19:50.44 | unstable | L_newbie: yes |
| 19:50.47 | \amethyst | dvs: ah |
| 19:50.58 | \amethyst | L_newbie: never mind what I said, then |
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| 19:51.02 | Eulex | L_newbie, if you don't understand a question; go with the default |
| 19:51.03 | unstable | L_newbie: except when it asks what video driver, pick "vesa" in that case. and the "proposed" answer for everything else |
| 19:51.09 | L_newbie | i was using the fglrx with mandrake |
| 19:51.14 | abrotman | unstable: radeon will work for him |
| 19:51.25 | wols | L_newbie: you can always redo this configuration for a package with "dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>. so you can experiment a little when unsure |
| 19:51.41 | Eulex | unstable, umh, why exactly should be pick vesa instead of ati? |
| 19:51.43 | wols | !fglrx |
| 19:51.44 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 19:51.44 | badgers | methinks fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 19:51.45 | unstable | !drxx |
| 19:51.45 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 19:51.45 | badgers | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 19:52.04 | wols | sussudio: pretty please? |
| 19:52.08 | L_newbie | wols: do you mean from the console after i get the error message? |
| 19:52.09 | sussudio | what? |
| 19:52.19 | dvs | !what |
| 19:52.19 | dpkg | This! |
| 19:52.19 | badgers | This! |
| 19:52.39 | abrotman | sussudio: thank you |
| 19:52.41 | EsCriBa_ | excuse me good bye |
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| 19:52.47 | wols | L_newbie: for X, people already told you what to run. mine was a bit more general how to do it for all kinds of packages |
| 19:53.04 | wols | !tell L_newbie about drxx |
| 19:53.24 | L_newbie | ok thank you |
| 19:53.27 | L_newbie | all |
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| 19:53.49 | wols | L_newbie: stay around a bit and idle |
| 19:53.54 | L_newbie | in 7min the moment of truth |
| 19:53.55 | wols | you will see how irc works. |
| 19:53.56 | L_newbie | :p |
| 19:54.09 | wols | bah... teeeveee |
| 19:54.12 | L_newbie | i want to and i am staying |
| 19:54.12 | abrotman | or doesn't work |
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| 19:54.26 | wols | not a single key to press, what's the fun? how do you make typos there? how do you flame? |
| 19:54.37 | wols | abrotman: shush |
| 19:54.56 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 19:54.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:54.58 | Eulex | :P |
| 19:55.00 | L_newbie | from my point of view....it's working |
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| 19:55.09 | L_newbie | the results in 5 |
| 19:55.20 | L_newbie | uops |
| 19:55.23 | L_newbie | 15min |
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| 19:56.45 | speedy_ | is there a way to convert /etc/shadow md5 hashed password to something ms sql server can understand? |
| 19:57.00 | clem_yeats | Hi, what tool can I use to test my HDD ? It looks damaged... |
| 19:57.01 | abrotman | mssql can store md5 as text |
| 19:57.11 | wols | smartmontools |
| 19:57.14 | abrotman | speedy_: dunno if mssql has an md5 function |
| 19:57.47 | \amethyst | Even if it did, it would have to handle salt the same way, too |
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| 19:57.50 | speedy_ | abrotman sql md5 functions produce a different hash than /etc/shadow md5 |
| 19:58.00 | blondie | :O |
| 19:58.13 | speedy_ | abrotman it has special characters !$@.. etc |
| 19:58.36 | speedy_ | while in sql it only uses letters and digits |
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| 19:59.24 | OliverKlozoff | which letters? |
| 19:59.40 | clem_yeats | wols: thanks |
| 19:59.52 | wols | clem_yeats: do a "long" test |
| 19:59.55 | speedy_ | OliverKlozoff a-z |
| 19:59.59 | \amethyst | speedy_: You're probably out of luck, because GNU crypt uses a salt with md5 passwords, and probably not in a way compatible with MSSQL |
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| 20:02.29 | speedy_ | \amethyst so the only way is to use ldap to do the authentication? |
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| 20:02.57 | \amethyst | speedy_: I don't know what mssql supports, so I'm not comfortable answering that |
| 20:03.29 | \amethyst | speedy_: but, yes, you're going to need to have the unix machine do the authentication if you want to use its /etc/shadow |
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| 20:04.36 | bwlang | i'm using eth1 in a bridge... i just need to bring the interface up on boot (no dhcp, no setting ip address)... anybody know what to put in interfaces to do that? |
| 20:04.59 | Pedro | hello |
| 20:05.33 | Eulex | bwlang, auto eth1\niface eth1 inet static? |
| 20:05.33 | speedy_ | \amethyst i guess there are some tools to dump /etc/shadow password to ldap and that can help with authentication since it understands unix crypt |
| 20:05.34 | \amethyst | bwlang: maybe "manual" as the method |
| 20:05.39 | Pedro | anyone using kde3.5 or higher? |
| 20:05.57 | Eulex | Pedro, yes. |
| 20:06.03 | Pedro | hey eulex |
| 20:06.33 | streuner_ | Pedro: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:06.36 | Pedro | isnt there a way to change the menu button? i just did a clean install cause the distro company sent me an upgrade and i lost all my settings |
| 20:06.45 | Eulex | Pedro, though I don't. |
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| 20:07.19 | Pedro | streuner....i didnt understand your question |
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| 20:07.50 | streuner_ | Pedro: you should just answer it |
| 20:08.01 | Pedro | its says im a logo |
| 20:08.03 | Pedro | i dunno |
| 20:08.04 | abrotman | speedy_: that' doesn't seem right .. but whatever |
| 20:08.12 | Pedro | that was the first stupid thing that popped in my head |
| 20:08.24 | unstable | Pedro: Who is the distro company? |
| 20:08.29 | \amethyst | speedy_: Can't the ldap server authenticate through PAM? |
| 20:08.38 | Pedro | im sorry if i ruined your joke |
| 20:08.43 | Pedro | oh, i am with tafusion |
| 20:08.50 | Pedro | i really like the software |
| 20:08.58 | Pedro | im such a linux newbie' |
| 20:09.27 | \amethyst | ~mepis |
| 20:09.30 | \amethyst | !mepis |
| 20:09.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mepis is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 20:09.35 | Pedro | simply, but yes, mepis |
| 20:10.09 | Eulex | Pedro, we only do vanilla debian in here |
| 20:10.24 | \amethyst | Strawberry Debian is okay, too |
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| 20:10.33 | \amethyst | But not tofutti |
| 20:10.45 | simonrvn | debian red strawberries ;) |
| 20:10.51 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 20:11.13 | simonrvn | that reminds me of that coyote story, and the strawberry. |
| 20:11.24 | Pedro | this sounds fruity, but i get so excited about all the distros, i find myself wanting to get all of them so i can be familiar with the m all |
| 20:11.36 | simonrvn | dirty story, i'll tell it later when the kids are in bed ;) |
| 20:12.02 | L_newbie | thank you simonrvn :) |
| 20:12.17 | clem_yeats | Pedro : I read distrowatch.com everyday for the same reason :) |
| 20:12.45 | simonrvn | np :) |
| 20:12.53 | Pedro | havent used any other distros, still rather impressed with debian, mepis, kde, mybe i dont know any better..ha |
| 20:13.20 | streuner_ | better kernel? |
| 20:13.28 | \amethyst | streuner_: experience? |
| 20:13.43 | clem_yeats | Pedro : well.. Debian is great, it's nice to see around though.. even if you'll probably always come back to it :) |
| 20:13.52 | streuner_ | nah, the last years i was very satisfied with debian |
| 20:14.14 | streuner_ | s/was/am/ |
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| 20:14.34 | Pedro | i need like 60 computers |
| 20:14.40 | Pedro | im never satisfied.... |
| 20:14.40 | dvs | o_O |
| 20:14.49 | \amethyst | Pedro: no, you just need one big one :) |
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| 20:14.54 | Pedro | yeah! |
| 20:14.57 | dvs | s390 |
| 20:15.00 | \amethyst | heh |
| 20:15.04 | \amethyst | that's what I was thinking |
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| 20:15.46 | \amethyst | But these days, most the the big computers are just a lot of little computers |
| 20:15.47 | S4nD3r | hi there... My linux doesnt turn off when ask, how solve it ??? I have ATX ! |
| 20:16.07 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 20:16.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 20:16.21 | \amethyst | !power down |
| 20:16.21 | dpkg | from memory, power down is Try loading the acpi module to enable your machine to automatically power off at the end of the shutdown process. If you can't load acpi module, try the apm module instead. Read man modules to find out how to load these modules by default. |
| 20:16.24 | dvs | S4nD3r: you need acpi or apm |
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| 20:16.48 | L_newbie | !power down |
| 20:16.48 | dpkg | well, power down is Try loading the acpi module to enable your machine to automatically power off at the end of the shutdown process. If you can't load acpi module, try the apm module instead. Read man modules to find out how to load these modules by default. |
| 20:16.52 | L_newbie | cool |
| 20:17.07 | S4nD3r | ACPI was loaded |
| 20:17.08 | Eulex | ah, sorry, read his question as "doesnt turn on when ask". sorry. |
| 20:17.09 | \amethyst | L_newbie: you can also /msg dpkg foo |
| 20:17.20 | dvs | S4nD3r: you may have to set your BIOS too |
| 20:17.29 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: then you've reached the limits of my knowledge there :) |
| 20:17.45 | Eulex | L_newbie, also, try /msg dpkg listkeys keyword |
| 20:17.49 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: anything in your dmesg about blacklisting or anything? |
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| 20:18.49 | L_newbie | amethyst i see, list of the available? |
| 20:19.08 | Pedro | still trying to change the kde menu button, guess you cant |
| 20:19.13 | S4nD3r | ACPI: local apic disabled |
| 20:19.15 | \amethyst | L_newbie: Too many keys to list them all, but /msg dpkg help for the commands |
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| 20:20.23 | S4nD3r | ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found! |
| 20:20.42 | Pedro | i LOVE sushi! |
| 20:20.42 | S4nD3r | ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing |
| 20:20.50 | Pedro | oh... |
| 20:21.14 | L_newbie | ok |
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| 20:21.33 | clem_yeats | my USB mouse keeps stopping to work.. I have to replug it in the USB port in order for it to work again.... |
| 20:21.36 | L_newbie | i think i corrected the problem with the video |
| 20:21.41 | _ToNhO_ | como instalararia um arquivo com extençao broffice.deb.tar.gz |
| 20:21.45 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: hm... nothing sounds bad so far. Do you have an uncommon or old chipset? |
| 20:21.47 | L_newbie | but i think i have a problem with the monitor |
| 20:21.55 | L_newbie | refresh rate or something |
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| 20:22.05 | \amethyst | L_newbie: what's the monitor doing? |
| 20:22.15 | parityflag | hello everybody... can anybody give me a hint how to capture apple quicktime video streams? |
| 20:22.16 | \amethyst | if it's buzzing, turn it off right now :) |
| 20:22.17 | L_newbie | i cannot see |
| 20:22.26 | L_newbie | it;s the same when on windows |
| 20:22.30 | dvs | S4nD3r: if your motherboard is more than 5 years old, you can't use acpi |
| 20:22.30 | L_newbie | i use a wrong |
| 20:22.35 | L_newbie | refresh rate |
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| 20:22.50 | \amethyst | L_newbie: Is this a CRT or LCD? Refresh rate too high or too low? |
| 20:22.53 | L_newbie | i see the logon screen |
| 20:22.56 | L_newbie | lcd |
| 20:23.00 | \amethyst | hmm... |
| 20:23.02 | L_newbie | and |
| 20:23.05 | dannyp | L_newbie: you need to be really careful, because you can permanently damage the monitor |
| 20:23.13 | L_newbie | after i login |
| 20:23.18 | L_newbie | it gives me an error |
| 20:23.18 | \amethyst | you might want to search the web for modelines for your specific monitor |
| 20:23.21 | L_newbie | wait i copy |
| 20:23.29 | \amethyst | dannyp: does that still happen with LCDs? |
| 20:23.34 | streuner_ | \amethyst: are you a DD? |
| 20:23.40 | \amethyst | streuner_: nope |
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| 20:24.02 | L_newbie | asks me to see the ~/.x.session-errors file |
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| 20:24.14 | L_newbie | it says to connect in failsafe |
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| 20:24.25 | \amethyst | L_newbie: can you put that file in a pastebin? |
| 20:24.28 | jarping | libnotify+debian no working?? |
| 20:24.28 | ChrisW | what's cron-apt? how can I find out how it works? |
| 20:24.39 | L_newbie | i am using another pc |
| 20:24.41 | L_newbie | i cannot |
| 20:24.46 | L_newbie | paste |
| 20:24.55 | Pedro | seems like i just read something about that recently... |
| 20:25.00 | streuner_ | ChrisW: install it and read the man page? |
| 20:25.01 | \amethyst | L_newbie: ah, no network access on that one? |
| 20:25.02 | Pedro | cant remember |
| 20:25.03 | L_newbie | registering with wtmp and umtp |
| 20:25.12 | ChrisW | streuner_: it's already on a couple of my servers... |
| 20:25.19 | L_newbie | i do have network |
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| 20:25.28 | L_newbie | i installed from ftp |
| 20:25.37 | ChrisW | ah, read it, okay |
| 20:25.37 | streuner_ | ChrisW: hm, i always want to know what apt does... |
| 20:25.40 | ChrisW | don't really like it ;_) |
| 20:25.44 | jarping | help libnotify work in debian |
| 20:25.50 | ChrisW | shall remove it :-) |
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| 20:26.27 | milde | would anyone know why i can't get setuid/setgid to work under etch? i've got an executable with the sticky bit set on user, but it fails to setgid(). the filesystem it's on doesn't have nosuid set. |
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| 20:26.36 | streuner_ | depends how many you have :-) |
| 20:26.51 | \amethyst | milde: this is a real executable, not a script? |
| 20:26.57 | milde | yes |
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| 20:27.05 | \amethyst | milde: what is the mode on the file? |
| 20:27.41 | milde | -rwsr-x--- |
| 20:27.45 | Red_Cloud | L_newbie, you have a problem with packages which are not fully installed. You will have to boot into recover OS and login as root. Run apt-get -f install and see what packages are being prevented. Read the man apt-get and then execute the apt-get -f remove (package with problem). |
| 20:27.55 | \amethyst | milde: that's called setuid bit, not sticky. |
| 20:28.05 | milde | i'm losing it |
| 20:28.07 | milde | anyway, i'm trying to run this: http://cyanite.org/execwrap/ |
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| 20:28.22 | \amethyst | milde: And you want it to set the group as well as the user? |
| 20:28.25 | milde | yes |
| 20:28.31 | L_newbie | thanks red_cloud |
| 20:28.34 | S4nD3r | This is a creative NX PRO. HOw to install this one in my linux box ?? |
| 20:28.34 | L_newbie | i ll try |
| 20:28.37 | \amethyst | milde: then chmod g+s it |
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| 20:28.44 | L_newbie | trying to log on with kde |
| 20:28.48 | L_newbie | ti gives |
| 20:28.49 | L_newbie | me |
| 20:28.51 | \amethyst | milde: suid and sgid bits are different |
| 20:28.54 | Eulex | S4nD3r, open it up and plug it in? |
| 20:29.03 | L_newbie | couldnt read network connection list |
| 20:29.20 | L_newbie | check dcopserver |
| 20:29.23 | milde | \amethyst: it's still returning EPERM |
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| 20:29.50 | L_newbie | kdepersonalizerrc |
| 20:29.57 | L_newbie | and kdeglobals |
| 20:30.06 | L_newbie | are non writable(?) |
| 20:30.12 | L_newbie | is this has to do |
| 20:30.14 | L_newbie | with |
| 20:30.26 | \amethyst | milde: it's owned by root? |
| 20:30.29 | L_newbie | passing from mandrake to debian |
| 20:30.29 | milde | yes |
| 20:30.33 | L_newbie | using the same |
| 20:30.40 | \amethyst | milde: and you're running it from the correct user? |
| 20:30.44 | L_newbie | partition as home or samething? |
| 20:30.48 | \amethyst | milde: you have read the READ_ME, right? |
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| 20:31.12 | milde | \amethyst: yes, i have. the user is correct |
| 20:31.17 | Red_Cloud | L-newbie, yes those are the messages that you will get with this problem. The "check dcopserver" error is because of the xsession problem and is not immediately connected with you cause. |
| 20:31.17 | milde | it can't even get to the point of calling setgid unless it is |
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| 20:31.30 | Eulex | S4nD3r, Sound Blaster Audigy2 NX? |
| 20:32.06 | \amethyst | milde: so it passes all the security checks then fails when it tries to setgid? |
| 20:32.12 | milde | yes, exactly |
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| 20:32.43 | Red_Cloud | L_newbie you have an package install problem that is unresolved. You must clear out this apt-get problem before you can login to KDE |
| 20:32.59 | \amethyst | milde: do you know how to read an strace? |
| 20:33.05 | milde | yeah, that's what i'm using |
| 20:33.07 | L_newbie | so what i should do? |
| 20:33.26 | L_newbie | i keep giving "ok" to move on...i should stop? |
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| 20:33.40 | \amethyst | milde: could you put that in a pastebin? |
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| 20:33.44 | pusling | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.48 | L_newbie | now it says "couldnt start ksmserver" |
| 20:33.49 | \amethyst | milde: the strace output |
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| 20:33.53 | L_newbie | check installation |
| 20:34.13 | Red_Cloud | L_newbie, reboot and if you are using GRUB or LILO select the "recover" option OS which will require you to login as root. |
| 20:34.20 | L_newbie | ok |
| 20:34.31 | L_newbie | i ll do what you told me before then |
| 20:34.43 | milde | \amethyst: this is the relevant part: http://pastebin.com/636457 |
| 20:34.59 | L_newbie | but howto reboot? reboot button? or windows combination? |
| 20:35.05 | L_newbie | altctrdel |
| 20:35.08 | tarzeau | cramm: still there? |
| 20:35.14 | Red_Cloud | L_newbie, then run apt-get -f install and see your problem package as it asks to continue. |
| 20:35.20 | \amethyst | milde: I was hoping to see the last 10 or so lines before that, too |
| 20:35.21 | S4nD3r | Which software to use with webcam ??? |
| 20:35.28 | unity | does someone know why everytime i restart my computer, alsamixer's channel are muted again and i have to unmute them everytime? is there a way to save their state across reboots? |
| 20:35.28 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: what do you want to do with it? |
| 20:35.28 | S4nD3r | I got install my one |
| 20:35.34 | L_newbie | i go for the button |
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| 20:35.46 | dvs | unity: alsactl store |
| 20:35.48 | S4nD3r | Just see working the webcam. |
| 20:35.58 | \amethyst | S4nD3r: gqcam works |
| 20:36.00 | L_newbie | i do use grub |
| 20:36.00 | S4nD3r | After that I will install new version of gaim to see |
| 20:36.17 | Red_Cloud | L_newbie, then use grub |
| 20:36.52 | \amethyst | milde: Does it do any setuid or such successfully before setgid? |
| 20:36.52 | milde | \amethyst: http://dackz.net/etc/execwrap.txt |
| 20:36.58 | milde | it calls setgid before setuid |
| 20:37.17 | unity | dvs: thank you |
| 20:37.23 | L_newbie | i am in |
| 20:37.29 | dvs | unity: you're welcome |
| 20:38.01 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 20:38.04 | Red_Cloud | L_newbie, I have been in exactly the same position that you are now. Not once, but several times. I have completely worn out the patience of abrotman, chealer, and all of the knowledgable people here. |
| 20:38.20 | milde | \amethyst: could it have something to do with "capabilities?" |
| 20:38.27 | Red_Cloud | L-newbie, have you been prompted to login as root? |
| 20:38.37 | milde | i tried apache2's suexec2 and it had the same problem |
| 20:38.42 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: ? |
| 20:38.46 | L_newbie | reading packages and dependency tree done |
| 20:38.54 | dvs | abrotman: you're evil! ;-) |
| 20:38.56 | L_newbie | 0 upgraded |
| 20:39.00 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:39.01 | L_newbie | 0 newly |
| 20:39.06 | L_newbie | 0 to remove |
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| 20:39.12 | L_newbie | 0 not upgraded |
| 20:39.22 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I just gave you a compliment and kudos |
| 20:39.25 | L_newbie | is there anyone installed? |
| 20:39.31 | L_newbie | :crying |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:39.37 | L_newbie | anything |
| 20:39.59 | PowerPC | is there a decent (fast) mirror somewhere that has debian 3.2? |
| 20:40.00 | \amethyst | milde: yes, it could, if you have caps limited |
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| 20:40.08 | L_newbie | now what? |
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| 20:40.17 | Red_Cloud | L_newbie, what command did you execute? |
| 20:40.18 | jshriver | Is there linux support for capturing video from firewire? |
| 20:40.23 | cramm | tarzeau: yes, sorry |
| 20:40.32 | milde | \amethyst: how do i check and set those? i haven't changed anything beyond what's default in etch though |
| 20:40.34 | unity | PowerPC: download netinst version and it will be a pretty fast download from any mirror |
| 20:40.36 | psi_force | does anyone know how to get iptables to work with 2.6.16 kernel in sarge? |
| 20:40.44 | L_newbie | apt-get -f install |
| 20:40.48 | tarzeau | cramm: ok the thing should finish building in a second. you're ready to build it? |
| 20:40.50 | PowerPC | unity: link? I cant find it =\ |
| 20:40.59 | tarzeau | psi_force: it just works? |
| 20:41.02 | rvsjoen | psi_force: load the module and throw a party |
| 20:41.11 | Eulex | L_newbie, the output you pasted showed that everything is ok on your box. |
| 20:41.19 | tarzeau | does anyone know why someone would want to use iptables? |
| 20:41.26 | rvsjoen | why not ? |
| 20:41.34 | Red_Cloud | L_newbie, and there are no packages pending to install or fix? |
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| 20:41.40 | \amethyst | milde: then caps probably aren't the problem |
| 20:41.41 | L_newbie | no |
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| 20:41.50 | psi_force | rvsjoen: which module do I need to load to get filtering to work |
| 20:41.52 | L_newbie | it just says what i reported |
| 20:42.10 | rvsjoen | if you load iptables it will autoload the rest I believe |
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| 20:42.30 | psi_force | tarzeau: nope give an error "can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who?" |
| 20:42.35 | \amethyst | milde: since you have the source and only have one file |
| 20:42.37 | cramm | tarzeau: i think so, do I need to get a tarball? run apt-get build-dep ? |
| 20:42.58 | L_newbie | what should i do? |
| 20:43.13 | L_newbie | can i change resolution and refresh from here? |
| 20:43.14 | PowerPC | is there even a netinst for 3.1? |
| 20:43.15 | abrotman | what is L_newbie trying to do ? |
| 20:43.16 | PowerPC | 3.2** |
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| 20:43.25 | \amethyst | milde: could you put in something to print the result of getuid(), geteuid(), getgid(), and getegid() just before it calls setgid()? |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | PowerPC: for etch ? |
| 20:43.28 | Pedro | you people make me feel (INSERT A GOOD WORD FOR WASTEFUL) for spending all my years beefing up my windows knowledge.....useless.....should have invested that time in linux, now look at where i am...**sniff** on the skirttails of you all.... |
| 20:43.36 | milde | \amethyst: yeah, sure, hold on |
| 20:43.44 | PowerPC | abrotman: yes |
| 20:43.49 | rvsjoen | modprobe iptable_filter ? |
| 20:43.55 | susanka | hi, i have a very little Font-size in xmms can i fix this ? |
| 20:43.56 | abrotman | !tell PowerPC about d-i |
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| 20:44.17 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 20:44.18 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 20:44.35 | nse | hmm |
| 20:44.35 | susanka | :) |
| 20:44.41 | unity | what? dpkg curses? |
| 20:44.53 | Red_Cloud | L-newbie, please communicate with abrotman |
| 20:44.53 | abrotman | cry |
| 20:45.02 | L_newbie | ok |
| 20:45.06 | tarzeau | cramm: you get a dsc,diff.gz and orig.tar.gz: the 2.1pre21(-1) ones from http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/links2/ . you can unpack it dpkg-source -x *.dsc, and cd into it then debuild (need to get the build deps first yes). then post me the url to the build log file |
| 20:45.07 | L_newbie | i am reading about |
| 20:45.12 | L_newbie | dpkg |
| 20:45.18 | psi_force | rvsjoen: nope. I believe the module names have changed in 2.6.16 which is why iptables can not automatically load the module |
| 20:45.28 | cramm | tarzeau: ok |
| 20:45.44 | rvsjoen | it'll be in the changelog then |
| 20:46.41 | Pedro | some one walk me through something? |
| 20:46.46 | pusling | any one with modular X ? |
| 20:46.49 | L_newbie | i reconfigure xserver |
| 20:47.03 | L_newbie | with dpkg |
| 20:47.16 | L_newbie | and it askes me bus identifier |
| 20:47.21 | L_newbie | ? |
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| 20:47.38 | L_newbie | for my video card |
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| 20:48.01 | milde | \amethyst: getuid(): 33, geteuid(): 33, getgid(): 33, getegid(): 33 |
| 20:48.04 | Adrian | !enter |
| 20:48.04 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 20:48.07 | susanka | hmm echo $LOCALE #should work or ? |
| 20:48.08 | \amethyst | milde: no good |
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| 20:48.28 | \amethyst | milde: it's not getting setuided to root... |
| 20:48.44 | L_newbie | ok [bad habbit] |
| 20:49.38 | milde | \amethyst: it's u+s and owned by root, so what could be wrong? |
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| 20:50.06 | chrisq | L_newbie: the pci bus identifier can usually be left empty |
| 20:50.22 | Pedro | i need to download the collective knowledge in this room straight to my brain....is there a utility for that? |
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| 20:50.50 | chrisq | L_newbie: or at whatever the default is, always worked for me. if it doesnt work for you, run lspci -v to find it |
| 20:50.50 | \amethyst | milde: You're not in a fakeroot, right? |
| 20:50.51 | L_newbie | he default value that it presents should in most cases be the correct one, so leave it at that and continue, or: In many cases, especially on systems with a single graphics card installed, leaving the field blank will work fine. Just remove anything that is in the field and proceed to the next question. |
| 20:50.54 | daxxar | Pedro, ry Firefox |
| 20:50.56 | daxxar | rty* |
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| 20:51.06 | L_newbie | thank you chrisq |
| 20:51.16 | daxxar | ... TRY. I think my speeling is taking a little break. |
| 20:51.22 | chrisq | L_newbie: no problem |
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| 20:51.43 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - i would like to configure a print server on debian (for linux and win32 machines) - where do I start please |
| 20:51.52 | milde | \amethyst: oh no, it looks like fakeroot is installed |
| 20:51.59 | \amethyst | milde: it's okay if it's installed |
| 20:52.03 | unity | Sirius_Black: do you have cupsd installed and running? |
| 20:52.03 | chrisq | Sirius_Black: cups and samba |
| 20:52.06 | Pedro | hey sirius, i just did this at work, |
| 20:52.21 | Pedro | **bows out gracefully to unity** |
| 20:52.23 | Sirius_Black | Pedro: tell me more |
| 20:52.35 | Sirius_Black | chrisq, unity thnx |
| 20:52.37 | unity | chrisq: i prefer sharing it over http, it's a lot less work |
| 20:52.38 | milde | \amethyst: how can i tell if it's interfering? |
| 20:52.52 | \amethyst | milde: If you didn't run fakeroot by hand, you're okay |
| 20:52.58 | \amethyst | milde: Hm |
| 20:53.12 | \amethyst | milde: and it's the executable you're chmodding and not a wrapper script? |
| 20:53.14 | knvinh | When I use '$ls -l' -> receive 'drwxr-xr-x 2 knvinh knvinh 4096 2006-03-29 01:06 Desktop', the fifth column for directory entry will always be 4096. Does anyone know why? |
| 20:53.20 | milde | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:53.29 | chrisq | unity: sharing printers over http? |
| 20:53.33 | pawdro | how to upgrade testing to unstable? |
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| 20:53.58 | \amethyst | knvinh: because directories on your FS are always allocated at least 4096 bytes? |
| 20:54.00 | unity | chrisq: yes, port 631. browsing printers uses http protocol, i dunno if sending the actual data is http |
| 20:54.08 | Pedro | assuming you are on trusted network like home? |
| 20:54.16 | \amethyst | knvinh: even big directories? |
| 20:54.27 | chrisq | pawdro: change all instances of testing to unstable in sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:54.45 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:55.04 | chrisq | unity: never heard of that, this is supported in windows? |
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| 20:55.12 | Pedro | yes chris |
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| 20:55.24 | chrisq | unity: what drivers are needed on the windows side? |
| 20:55.28 | knvinh | \amethyst: my filesystem is ext3, |
| 20:55.33 | wols | chrisq: only on 2k and up |
| 20:55.48 | ragna | gsteame-plugins |
| 20:55.49 | Pedro | network drivers? unity? |
| 20:55.52 | Sirius_Black | Pedro - yeah this is for my home net |
| 20:55.52 | \amethyst | knvinh: probably a 4096-byte block size |
| 20:56.09 | milde | \amethyst: that cap-bound file has "-257" in it |
| 20:56.13 | \amethyst | knvinh: the sizes reported for directories are not necessarily accurate |
| 20:56.21 | Sirius_Black | mu current debian machine that i used as a print server has died after 5 yrs |
| 20:56.22 | unity | chrisq: the windows side only needs the printer drivirs |
| 20:56.32 | Pedro | thanx |
| 20:56.37 | unity | chrisq: not even an extra cd is required, winxp already has many stock drivers |
| 20:56.39 | knvinh | \amethyst: I received 'drwxr-xr-x 7 knvinh knvinh 4096 2006-03-17 13:56 eclipse', although the directory 'eclipse' in 'du -h' is calculated as 119M |
| 20:56.49 | ragna | can anyone explain me whats the difference between the gstreamer0.10-plugins-"bad, base , good and ugly??" |
| 20:56.59 | \amethyst | knvinh: that's the size for *just* the list of files, not the files themselves |
| 20:57.09 | \amethyst | knvinh: directory sizes from ls are not recursive |
| 20:57.24 | unity | chrisq: if you have cupsd running. try browsing http://localhost:631/ |
| 20:57.25 | chrisq | unity: sounds nice, for those unfortunate enough to deal with windows :) |
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| 20:58.16 | \amethyst | knvinh: A directory that contains a lot of files (like /usr/bin, for example) will have a number bigger than 4096, because it takes more space to list all the files |
| 20:58.20 | Kolan | hi, anyone with experience in kernels for Dual Xenon systems? |
| 20:58.26 | Pedro | i did this at work, for some reason, needed network drivers for windows.... actually, didnt try it without, also, the windows side was done before i got here. |
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| 20:59.21 | chrisq | Kolan: i do |
| 20:59.36 | psi_force | does anyone know what kernel options I need to get iptables to work in 2.6.16 |
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| 20:59.37 | susanka | !autostart |
| 20:59.38 | knvinh | \amethyst: understood, thanks, |
| 21:00.20 | Kolan | chrisq: check *priv* |
| 21:00.32 | chrisq | Kolan: forget msg'ing me, i have to register to do that |
| 21:00.39 | Kolan | ok |
| 21:00.47 | Pedro | suits are here, gotta run, thank you all |
| 21:00.53 | chrisq | Pedro: cya |
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| 21:01.05 | chrisq | damn suits always in the way :) |
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| 21:01.34 | Kolan | chrisq: I've tried to install the 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp kernel but it won't boot it up |
| 21:01.46 | chrisq | Kolan: on debian stable? |
| 21:01.50 | Kolan | jes |
| 21:01.57 | unity | so how difficult is it to get out of package dependency beaks if i were using sid? |
| 21:02.06 | Kolan | thats the latest kernel I found |
| 21:02.09 | unity | s/beaks/breaks |
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| 21:02.31 | chrisq | Kolan: cant say i've had that problem |
| 21:02.50 | chrisq | but i dont use the em64 kernels |
| 21:02.51 | cramm | tarzeau: how would you prefer the build log be generated? using script? |
| 21:02.52 | Kolan | which kernel did you use? |
| 21:03.01 | Eulex | Kolan, I've seen people having problems with that kernel before; stick with a non-64bit kernel |
| 21:03.08 | chrisq | Kolan: my xeons arent em64 |
| 21:03.14 | Kolan | mm.. mine are |
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| 21:03.34 | Kolan | so you say that I should use a 686 smp kernel instead? |
| 21:03.50 | tarzeau | cramm: no no, debuild generates it |
| 21:03.51 | chrisq | well actually i have a few dell 2850 which might be em64, they work well with the i386 distro though |
| 21:04.31 | Kolan | yes they might do, but you dont use HT or 64bits |
| 21:04.34 | cramm | tarzeau: ok, I'm installing the build deps right now |
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| 21:05.11 | Eulex | Kolan, yes |
| 21:05.17 | chrisq | Kolan: HT isnt available for 64bit xeons with the x86 smp kernels? |
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| 21:05.32 | tarzeau | cramm: could you get the source package again, now? |
| 21:05.40 | cramm | tarzeau: ok |
| 21:05.48 | chrisq | thats news to me |
| 21:06.08 | tarzeau | cramm: what is important in the build log that you get SSL support: YES and Graphics drivers: has X in |
| 21:06.08 | Kolan | Not what I know |
| 21:06.52 | Eulex | chrisq, ht should work even if you don't use the 64bit kernels. can't see a reason it wouldn't. |
| 21:07.04 | tarzeau | cramm: oh wait i just found something else |
| 21:07.22 | chrisq | Eulex: thats what i was thinking too |
| 21:07.29 | tarzeau | cramm: can you edit debian/rules (and remove --without-ssl) |
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| 21:07.35 | tarzeau | cramm: i'm rebuilding it, takes some time |
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| 21:09.01 | Kolan | chrisq & Eulex: Ok.. so lets say HT is working anyway. What about SMP and 64bits than? |
| 21:09.19 | cramm | tarzeau: ok, np |
| 21:09.57 | Eulex | Kolan, smp should be ok. only thing you won't get is a 64-bit kernel. |
| 21:10.31 | Kolan | Eulex: So I should use the 686 SMP kernel than? |
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| 21:10.56 | Eulex | Kolan, yes |
| 21:11.32 | cramm | Kolan, chrisq: I'm running a sarge 2.6 686-smp kernel on a dual xeon em64t |
| 21:11.36 | Kolan | Eulex: Ok than. But what about the fact that Im using more than 4GB memory? 32bit is the limit |
| 21:12.11 | Kolan | cramm: How mutch of memory do you have? |
| 21:12.23 | Eulex | Kolan, oh, that may be a problem. I'm not familiar with it, though. |
| 21:12.30 | Kolan | ok |
| 21:12.31 | \amethyst | Kolan: you should be able to turn on himem (not sure if stock debian kernels support it), but you'll be limited to 4GB a process |
| 21:12.55 | cramm | Kolan, chrisq: each CPU is dual core (a HP DL380) when I have HT enabled on the BIOS, the kernel detects 8 logical CPUs. When I turn it off it detects 4 logical CPUs |
| 21:13.30 | Kolan | cramm: is this on Xenon EM64t? |
| 21:13.52 | cramm | Kolan: 2 GB |
| 21:13.55 | cramm | Kolan: ? |
| 21:14.06 | Eulex | \amethyst, vanilla debian kernels have highmem 4g turned on but not highmem 64g. |
| 21:14.28 | Eulex | Kolan, you need to recompile a 686 kernel to use more than 4gb memory. |
| 21:14.39 | \amethyst | So you'll have to recompile your kernel to support >4G, but you can still do that with a 32-bit kernel |
| 21:14.49 | Kolan | ok |
| 21:14.57 | Kolan | seems hard |
| 21:14.58 | Kolan | ? |
| 21:15.04 | Eulex | it's not |
| 21:15.05 | \amethyst | and, again, processes are still limited to a 4GB address space |
| 21:15.24 | \amethyst | Kolan: not hard at all, you just change one option in the config and run make-kpkg |
| 21:15.25 | Kolan | hmm |
| 21:15.40 | \amethyst | Kolan: it builds a new set of kernel .debs for you |
| 21:15.41 | petemc | cramm: ht isnt dual core, its emulated |
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| 21:16.21 | Eulex | Kolan, just remember to build your ide and fs drivers statically to avoid messing with initrds |
| 21:16.33 | Kolan | well today I'm just on 4GB so a regular 686 SMP kernel might be ok for now, but in a near future I'll get more and than I need to do something |
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| 21:17.07 | Eulex | Kolan, file a bug report against the em64t-smp kernel if the 686 works. |
| 21:17.29 | cramm | petemc: yes but I have 2 dual core CPUs, so they appear as 4 CPUs, if I activate HT they apear as 8 CPUs |
| 21:18.00 | Eulex | cramm, that's perfectly normal |
| 21:18.07 | petemc | cramm: oh, right |
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| 21:18.12 | Kolan | Eulex: Ok, I've tried em64t smp p4 kernel and it wont boot. so it might be some bug.. |
| 21:18.15 | cramm | Eulex: right |
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| 21:18.47 | Kolan | is it possible to try a kernel within testing packages? |
| 21:18.51 | cramm | I have been told that for a server it's better to turn off HT |
| 21:19.09 | Eulex | Kolan, I would recommend against it because of the udev mess |
| 21:19.24 | Kolan | ok |
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| 21:19.36 | w32 | how do you install perl modules ? via apt-get or something else ? |
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| 21:19.53 | EmleyMoor | I wanted to mount one of my NFS systems from my desktop computer on my laptop, but it won't work because the laptop is on a different network, NATted to my home network - is there an easy way to use NFS over NAT? |
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| 21:20.36 | faljse | EmleyMoor: tcp nfs |
| 21:20.38 | Kolan | Eulex: I've looking into this https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id230630 |
| 21:21.01 | EmleyMoor | faljse: OK - I will research that - thanks for the hint |
| 21:21.35 | Kolan | anyone with experience in that? running the AMD64 version of DEbian on dual xenon em64t |
| 21:21.39 | \amethyst | w32: via apt-get if possible, the usual name for Foo::Bar is libfoo-bar-perl |
| 21:21.41 | cramm | tarzeau: seems the tarball I got has --without-ssl already stripped |
| 21:22.04 | cramm | I'm been thinking about installing the em64t-p4-smp but I don't know if it needs a 64 bit userland |
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| 21:22.27 | EmleyMoor | \amethyst: What's the thing you use to make a .deb of a perl module that isn't in already? |
| 21:22.33 | tarzeau | cramm: ok then try to build it |
| 21:22.54 | joecool|laptop | hey, i'm wondering which packages i need to get to supply gtk1 stuff |
| 21:22.56 | Kolan | cramm: that's what I tried, it installed correctly but when booting it up it hangs |
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| 21:23.42 | cramm | Kolan: I will try it when I get to the data center |
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| 21:24.02 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: dh-make-perl |
| 21:24.24 | cramm | tarzeau: k, the build deps installation is at 70% |
| 21:24.27 | Gnub- | im having a big problem... something about dcop and ICE something... cant open konqurour |
| 21:24.32 | EmleyMoor | Ah yes - I remember now - I knew I'd used it once |
| 21:24.38 | tarzeau | cramm: great. |
| 21:24.49 | tarzeau | cramm: have you ever used links2? |
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| 21:24.57 | w32 | \amethyst:thanks I'll try it |
| 21:25.05 | Kolan | cramm: okay, have you looked into this: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
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| 21:25.33 | Kolan | cramm: the fact that the AMD64 version of debian is also suitible for em64t |
| 21:26.08 | Shadowcat | it should really be called x64 |
| 21:26.12 | Shadowcat | but anyway |
| 21:26.14 | cramm | tarzeau: I think so, isn't it the links fork that can render pages graphically using svga? I compiled from a tarball some years ago |
| 21:26.23 | yaz00 | hello everyone. i just installed debian etch, works great. but i need to find install videodrivers for i810 i think. my monitor gets a lot of strange color before gdm starts. had the same problem with other distributions, and it disappered after installing the i810 drivers. how do i get them? |
| 21:26.43 | Shadowcat | i810 drivers? |
| 21:26.46 | Shadowcat | they're already in sarge |
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| 21:26.52 | tarzeau | cramm: yes and also fb and x |
| 21:26.53 | Shadowcat | err etch |
| 21:27.03 | tarzeau | cramm: and now it can do https too (this version) for debian main |
| 21:27.04 | Shadowcat | well... sarge as well |
| 21:27.06 | Kolan | Shadowcat: do you have experience on running x64 ? |
| 21:27.14 | cramm | Kolan: yes, I've read that... you may want to take a look to an updated version as suggested by the #debian-amd64 channel topic |
| 21:27.17 | tarzeau | cramm: i use this as my main browser! |
| 21:27.19 | Shadowcat | Kolan: I know enough not to screw myself over |
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| 21:28.03 | cramm | tarzeau: nice :) |
| 21:28.04 | pilgrim | Hi. I'm installing debian on a machine that's going to have a web server, mail server, database, astreiks Voip system, egroupware, coppermine and such things. Which directories should I give their own partitions. I'm thinking /var should be one , what other ones? |
| 21:28.08 | foo | Err, what package is import in for screen shots? I've tried apt-file, atp-cache, just cannot find it. hmm. |
| 21:28.24 | Kolan | Shadowcat: Ok, do you know if I would get more if I used x64 than the regular? |
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| 21:28.28 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: start by buying another machine, or three |
| 21:28.30 | Eulex | foo, gimp, scrot, import? |
| 21:28.30 | tarzeau | cramm: just tell me when you're ready... if the build log is fine, it can be uploaded |
| 21:28.35 | pilgrim | Shad0wcat, lol... |
| 21:28.38 | _rene_ | foo: imagemagick |
| 21:28.39 | \amethyst | pilgrim: put the database on its own disk if possible |
| 21:28.42 | foo | _rene_: ah, thanks |
| 21:28.47 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: because there's NO WAY IN HELL one machine's gonna smoothly run all that |
| 21:28.50 | \amethyst | pilgrim: if it's going to be high-traffic |
| 21:28.51 | _rene_ | foo: and apt-file *would* have told you if you used it correctly |
| 21:29.05 | pilgrim | It's not going to be high traffic. |
| 21:29.14 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: unless it's a test box |
| 21:29.19 | pilgrim | Maybe we can wipe astreiks altogether. |
| 21:29.31 | Shadowcat | someone should be hanging you right now for even suggesting that many services on one server |
| 21:29.38 | \amethyst | pilgrim: it's usually simpler not to partition |
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| 21:29.46 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 21:29.51 | Shadowcat | \amethyst: I think his entire strategy's flawed |
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| 21:29.58 | pilgrim | Shad0wcat, how so? |
| 21:30.03 | foo | _rene_: ah, I see it. I did the wrong thing. hmm, thanks |
| 21:30.12 | Shadowcat | because you don't put directory services on the same box as the mail server |
| 21:30.18 | Shadowcat | or the web server |
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| 21:30.37 | pilgrim | hmm...interesting. I was going to root jail them. |
| 21:30.53 | \amethyst | Shadowcat: s/box/security domain/ |
| 21:30.59 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: you _do_ know what good networking is? |
| 21:31.14 | Gnub- | eh thanx anyway but i fixwed |
| 21:31.15 | pilgrim | Shad0wcat, no clue. |
| 21:31.16 | Gnub- | it |
| 21:31.22 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: that's not a surprise |
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| 21:31.31 | Shadowcat | you're putting all the company's stuff on ONE server |
| 21:31.40 | Shadowcat | so, let's say I 0wn one of the services |
| 21:31.43 | Shadowcat | then I can own the server |
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| 21:31.47 | Shadowcat | viola, you're screwed |
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| 21:31.54 | Shadowcat | or.... if you have a psu failuer |
| 21:31.58 | nkuttler | it's voila |
| 21:32.07 | cramm | pilgrim: the mta spool dir (at least on Postfix) and the msg store (at least on Cyrus) are candidates to be on their own partitions an mounted with noatime and data=journal |
| 21:32.08 | Shadowcat | voila you're screwed again |
| 21:32.11 | Shadowcat | !beat nkuttler |
| 21:32.18 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, but I'm going to root jail them. |
| 21:32.33 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: that's not the point, you're still doing it on a single machine |
| 21:32.38 | Shadowcat | with a SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE |
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| 21:32.53 | Shadowcat | in this case both hardware AND software wise |
| 21:33.20 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, ok, my fault. This company is like little and they ......wait....maybe they do care. |
| 21:33.32 | linus_newbie | hello again i am back with another nick, i don't know how and why [?] |
| 21:33.36 | Shadowcat | obviously they care if a burned out nic knocks out all their services |
| 21:34.04 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 21:34.04 | dpkg | methinks tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 21:34.25 | \amethyst | pilgrim: cost it both ways, explain the disadvantages of a single server, and have the execs pick. Then if they want a single server and something goes wrong your ass is covered :) |
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| 21:34.48 | Shadowcat | \amethyst: I would be VERY vocal against the single server solution |
| 21:34.56 | Shadowcat | because I'd get back to fix it at three in the morning |
| 21:34.57 | linus_newbie | anyway, i am trying to reconfigure with dpkg the xfree86, can someone help me with it's few steps |
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| 21:35.23 | w32 | I am confused I am told I need these perl modules http://pastebin.com/636559 how to I install them on debian sarge I used apt-cache search perl to try to find them but I'm not sure what this guy is talking about there isn't anything with those names "SHA1,HMAC,DNS or anything else" Am I just looking in the wrong place ? |
| 21:35.59 | Shadowcat | I mean I have three machines running in a cluster here at home |
| 21:36.08 | Shadowcat | they're not all on all the time, but if they're up for long enough |
| 21:36.13 | Shadowcat | replication occurs automatically |
| 21:36.19 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, ok. Then, how can I not waste 200gb hard disk and amd64 3200+ processor? What can I use it for? |
| 21:36.22 | Shadowcat | so I have a three point failsafe right there |
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| 21:36.47 | w32 | Shadowcat: got any docs on how you did that-that is so awesome |
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| 21:37.17 | Shadowcat | w32: regular docs on the Internet |
| 21:37.28 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: first off, that's no server |
| 21:37.30 | Shadowcat | that's a desktop |
| 21:37.32 | JerJer[mobile] | warning possible newbie question - is there not a linux kernel v2.6 source deb on apt ? |
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| 21:37.50 | Eulex | JerJer[mobile], yes, there is -- /msg dpkg search |
| 21:37.55 | pilgrim | Shad0wcat, what's a server? |
| 21:38.02 | pilgrim | what does it look like? |
| 21:38.04 | Shadowcat | if I *Was* to attempt to put all of those services on a single server |
| 21:38.07 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, ^^ |
| 21:38.08 | Shadowcat | I would invest in an Opteron |
| 21:38.08 | w32 | Shadowcat: well there are prolly some better than others what would you recommend ? |
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| 21:38.16 | Shadowcat | and at least 4gb of ram |
| 21:38.19 | Shadowcat | that is, if I were to attempt it |
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| 21:38.30 | Shadowcat | I would probably split it up and use at least two opteron machines |
| 21:38.42 | Shadowcat | maybe three if the company can stomach it |
| 21:38.51 | Shadowcat | each with 2-3gb of ram |
| 21:38.55 | \amethyst | w32: libdigest-sha1-perl, libdigest-hmac-perl, libnet-dns-perl, libtime-hires-perl (don't need this is you have a recent perl), libhtml-tagset-perl, and libhtml-parser-perl |
| 21:39.01 | daeos | need some help here, im trying to kill off a zombie logged in, when i do top i can't find it, nor if i do 'ps -aux | grep pts/1' only see my grep command in ps. |
| 21:39.21 | \amethyst | daeos: you can't kill a zombie |
| 21:39.38 | Shadowcat | zombie processes suck |
| 21:39.39 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 21:39.40 | Eulex | daeos, you can't kill a zombie, kill its parent instead |
| 21:39.46 | daeos | ... let me refrase, im logged in 2 times |
| 21:39.48 | Thug-N-Me | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.49 | \amethyst | daeos: aha |
| 21:39.50 | Thug-N-Me | what can i do ? |
| 21:39.59 | \amethyst | daeos: `zombie' is a technical term :) |
| 21:40.00 | Red_Cloud | !tell Red_Cloud about testing |
| 21:40.02 | JerJer[mobile] | Eulex: i see kernel-image but not kernel-source |
| 21:40.04 | w32 | \amethyst: where did you find those |
| 21:40.09 | daeos | its still a dead login :P |
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| 21:40.28 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: a server uses components that have some kind of failsafe |
| 21:40.30 | Eulex | JerJer[mobile], apt-cache search kernel-source reveals nothing? |
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| 21:40.43 | Shadowcat | using a single 3200 with ONE hd is not fail-safe |
| 21:40.43 | \amethyst | w32: like I said, something named Foo::Bar will be in the debian package libfoo-bar-perl usually |
| 21:40.46 | daeos | \amethyst: so how would i kill my other login? |
| 21:40.49 | Shadowcat | it's inviting trouble |
| 21:40.50 | _jason | can I force aptitude to ignore dependencies and install what it can? |
| 21:40.57 | Shadowcat | _jason: no |
| 21:41.04 | Shadowcat | but you can force dpkg to do that |
| 21:41.27 | w32 | \amethyst: thanks alot- its really hard to get help here I appreciate it |
| 21:41.28 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, what's the next best thing? |
| 21:41.28 | scytheman | without java azureus won't run |
| 21:41.32 | zood_ | What package contains "KDE headers"? kde-devel? |
| 21:41.36 | _jason | Shadowcat: would dpkg pull in the dependencies that it can and ignore the ones it can't? |
| 21:41.45 | Shadowcat | _jason: man dpkg |
| 21:41.52 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, that I could do to this "server" to make it more "failsafe"? |
| 21:42.03 | Shadowcat | not with that hardware |
| 21:42.05 | Eulex | zood_, check the config.log and search for the file it can't find with apt-file |
| 21:42.13 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, how do you know all this, anyway? Experience or is there a bible for this? |
| 21:42.16 | Shadowcat | to make a long story short: YOU NEED MORE MONEY |
| 21:42.22 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: that's classified information |
| 21:42.25 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 21:42.32 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, heh. |
| 21:42.37 | zood_ | Eulex, aha! so that's the way to do it. Thanks |
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| 21:43.09 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: all you need to know is that you're screwed at the moment |
| 21:43.12 | Shadowcat | mega screwed :) |
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| 21:43.19 | Eulex | zood_, much better than guessing what file it can't find |
| 21:43.31 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, damn, I love you optimists. Make me feel like I'm in #openbsd |
| 21:43.32 | Shadowcat | don't you have class tomorrow |
| 21:43.35 | Shadowcat | goto sleep! |
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| 21:43.47 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: hey I'm a BOFH |
| 21:43.50 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, hehe, börjar 11:50 :P |
| 21:43.51 | zood_ | Eulex, Yah I've been doing a damn lot of guessing trying to install amarok from svn |
| 21:43.51 | Shadowcat | so sue me |
| 21:43.51 | scytheman | Thug-N-Me, try installing http://jesusch.de/~jesusch/debian/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb |
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| 21:44.02 | JerJer[mobile] | Eulex: yes but apt-get stays the package is not available or obsolete |
| 21:44.17 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: put it this way, you're the guy who sets up some server running too much stuff |
| 21:44.31 | reter | trying to get internet on debian |
| 21:44.32 | Shadowcat | I'm the guy who gets called in to fix it at three in the morning.... Sunday Morning |
| 21:44.48 | reter | archive access method for apt: http but i have no internet |
| 21:44.50 | \amethyst | the internet won't fit on Debian, it's too big |
| 21:44.59 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, great. Money for both of us. You do charge more for that kind of stuff, don't you? |
| 21:45.04 | Eulex | JerJer[mobile], run apt-get update? :) |
| 21:45.14 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: I'd rather NOT GET CALLED in the first place |
| 21:45.19 | Shadowcat | so DO IT RIGHT the first time |
| 21:45.19 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 21:45.22 | Shadowcat | or I'll strangle you |
| 21:45.23 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 21:45.29 | _jason | Shadowcat: I can't find anything about dpkg pulling in deps in man dpkg. We're you telling me it is definitely in there or that that is where I should look to find out? |
| 21:45.33 | pilgrim | I love you guys. I really do. |
| 21:45.38 | _jason | s/we're/were |
| 21:45.39 | abrotman | bbrazil: have you ever lived in .za ? |
| 21:45.47 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: if I get called in the middle of the night |
| 21:46.04 | Shadowcat | I'll charge you double as well as including the coffee and gas |
| 21:46.31 | reter | during apt configuration i want to choose http but how do i get it to recognize the ethernet |
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| 21:46.51 | JerJer[mobile] | Eulex: this is a brand new machine - installed today |
| 21:46.56 | JerJer[mobile] | but i just did it again |
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| 21:47.02 | JerJer[mobile] | and same message |
| 21:47.04 | bbrazil | abrotman: no |
| 21:47.21 | Eulex | JerJer[mobile], what debian mirror are you using? and is it stable/testing/unstable? |
| 21:47.25 | cramm | tarzeau: it's building now. How is the build log file named? |
| 21:47.26 | abrotman | bbrazil: you've always lived where your ISP says you do ? |
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| 21:47.47 | bbrazil | abrotman: well, I was in the states over the summer but wasn't in here |
| 21:47.51 | reter | during apt configuration i want to choose http but how do i get it to recognize the ethernet |
| 21:47.58 | abrotman | bbrazil: i thought you had a hostmask that said .za a while ago |
| 21:48.06 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, OK. So you suggest web server = one server, mail server =another, backupserver= another, astreiks = another. What does each of these cost? Coz, I'm sure the "server" that I got right now cost quite a BIT. |
| 21:48.08 | bbrazil | abrotman: must have been someone else |
| 21:48.31 | JerJer[mobile] | Eulex: tried three different mirrors now - testing |
| 21:48.36 | abrotman | bbrazil: nah .. i really thought it was you . oh well |
| 21:48.47 | tarzeau | cramm: ../*build |
| 21:48.56 | JerJer[mobile] | if i do apt-get install kernel-source it lists 2.2 and 2.4 options |
| 21:49.06 | bbrazil | abrotman: the usual test is if I do a !br within 10 seconds of someone mentioning 'brazil' |
| 21:49.31 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: well first off you really need to get a book on network administration |
| 21:49.32 | Shadowcat | :/ |
| 21:49.35 | Eulex | JerJer[mobile], ah, testing. testing has linux-source instead of kernel-source. and 2.6.8 is not in testing. if you want 2.6.8, get the debs from stable |
| 21:49.38 | Shadowcat | or you'll screw up something down the line |
| 21:49.59 | pilgrim | Shad0wcat, yeah.. that one area I lack knowledge in (not the only area, but one for sure). |
| 21:50.04 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, any suggestions? |
| 21:50.10 | Shadowcat | heh can't help you there :) |
| 21:50.14 | pilgrim | for books? |
| 21:50.14 | Shadowcat | classified |
| 21:50.15 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 21:50.19 | JerJer[mobile] | Eulex: i just need a kernel |
| 21:50.21 | JerJer[mobile] | source |
| 21:50.21 | JerJer[mobile] | tree |
| 21:50.23 | JerJer[mobile] | :) |
| 21:50.31 | Shadowcat | JerJer[mobile]: ftp ftp.kernel.org |
| 21:50.53 | JerJer[mobile] | grr ok |
| 21:51.22 | JerJer[mobile] | Shad0wcat: that is what i have done b4, but we don't need to compile a new kernel |
| 21:51.31 | JerJer[mobile] | linux-source worked |
| 21:51.33 | Eulex | JerJer[mobile], get a .deb from stable for 2.6.8. if you want a newer kernel source, get it from testing, and those packages are now prefixed with linux-source in testing |
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| 21:51.36 | JerJer[mobile] | now i know |
| 21:51.45 | JerJer[mobile] | 2.6.15 is fine with me |
| 21:51.55 | JerJer[mobile] | or whtever it just pulled down |
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| 21:52.19 | JerJer[mobile] | i just gotta get a piece of software running that needs a kernel source to compile against |
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| 21:52.24 | JerJer[mobile] | Eulex: thank you |
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| 21:52.47 | Eulex | JerJer[mobile], yw :) |
| 21:53.17 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, ok...being nice doesn't work....I'll start with the threat. If you don't tell me what book to read, I'll install apache, mysql, postresql, squirrelmail, postfix, qmail, sendmail, umm...umm....bind, coppermine, apache, apache, umm..apache. |
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| 21:54.43 | Eulex | pilgrim, don't forget oracle and some various ftp and ssh daemons :) |
| 21:54.57 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: first off, I don't work in your general area |
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| 21:55.08 | Shadowcat | so someone else's gonna strangle you |
| 21:55.13 | Shadowcat | it's not my problem |
| 21:55.14 | pilgrim | Shad0wcat, damned IPs. Leave a trail...grr. |
| 21:55.19 | Shadowcat | but it's not my funeral either |
| 21:55.21 | Shadowcat | it's yours :) |
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| 21:56.41 | zy | Debian etch +full iso +amd64 version = strange message. No kernel modules were found. this is probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this verion of the installer and the kernbel version available. What to do? |
| 21:56.44 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, ok...well...enough joking around. There is another IT guy that helps this company out. I'll cover my ass by asking this guy whether I should install * service in this machine. |
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| 21:57.14 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, but then again....he's probably not going to get called....at 3am. hmm...darn. |
| 21:57.33 | pusling | unstable: huh ? ;) |
| 21:57.47 | unstable | What version of debian? |
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| 21:58.01 | cramm | tarzeau: http://rmorales.net/tarzeau/ |
| 21:58.18 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: as I said |
| 21:58.20 | Shadowcat | it's your funeral |
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| 21:58.35 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, kthanks for the help. |
| 21:58.39 | tarzeau | cramm: PERFECT thank you :) |
| 21:58.50 | tarzeau | cramm: now you could apply to become a DD and sponsor it :) |
| 21:58.58 | pilgrim | Thanks to the rest of you too. |
| 21:59.17 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: btw those services don't scare me |
| 21:59.25 | pilgrim | lol |
| 21:59.59 | Shadowcat | try this for size: exim4, postfix, sendmail, samba3, samba4, openLDAP, eGroupWare, mySQL, oracle, vsftpd, proftpd, 2xssh, ca services |
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| 22:00.13 | Shadowcat | apache, cvs, subversion |
| 22:00.17 | Shadowcat | all on one box |
| 22:00.27 | pilgrim | oh...of course, I forgot openLDAP. |
| 22:00.37 | zy | anyone have an idea for a solution on my problem with debian eth install? no kernal modules found |
| 22:00.38 | Shadowcat | yes but this box was under HIGH LOAD |
| 22:00.47 | Shadowcat | I swear we were on the 5th floor |
| 22:00.59 | Shadowcat | and it took all the restraint I had in me to NOT push that admin out the window |
| 22:01.09 | pilgrim | LOL. |
| 22:01.25 | Shadowcat | pilgrim: and the guy who gets called in to fix your mess might not be that gentle |
| 22:01.32 | Adrian | why the three mtas? |
| 22:02.10 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, look, fact of the matter is that there is demand for these sorts of uneducated services that I provide. |
| 22:02.14 | \amethyst | Shadowcat: no NNTP server? What's the world coming to these days? |
| 22:02.38 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, same with app development, crappy programmers get empolyed because they're cheap. |
| 22:02.49 | linus_newbie | i am sorry but i am really tired |
| 22:03.04 | pilgrim | linus_newbie, take a nap, we'll be around. |
| 22:03.36 | pilgrim | linus_newbie, shouldn't your name be linus_junior? |
| 22:03.37 | Shadowcat | \amethyst: feel free to add to that list |
| 22:03.39 | linus_newbie | i searched on the net and found nothing, tried avery imaginable setting, still nothing, this xserver |
| 22:03.48 | Shadowcat | Adrian: because the guy was an idiot |
| 22:04.03 | Shadowcat | Adrian: he used one, but then decided it wasn't good enough, moved on |
| 22:04.08 | Shadowcat | but left the previous config in tact |
| 22:04.09 | Shadowcat | IDIOT |
| 22:04.10 | pilgrim | LOL. |
| 22:04.15 | linus_newbie | i hate it but i cannot run on console....sad....please help me to set it up! |
| 22:04.24 | threat | pilgrim, you called? |
| 22:04.28 | \amethyst | If you throw enough MTAs on a computer, maybe it will achieve sentience? |
| 22:04.45 | cramm | tarzeau: ;-), I've been thinking about starting that endeavour, I mean trying to test myself and learn a lot in the process, there are just 2 DD in my country and I'd love to be the third |
| 22:04.46 | Shadowcat | that's a nice theory |
| 22:05.16 | Shadowcat | maybe it'll strangle the idiot trying to overlaod it |
| 22:05.18 | Shadowcat | overload* |
| 22:05.18 | pilgrim | threat, ohh yeah... talk to this Shadowcat cat guy for a bit. |
| 22:05.18 | tarzeau | cramm: go for it! what country is that? |
| 22:05.18 | pilgrim | I no longer have to you my own threats. |
| 22:05.37 | cramm | tarzeau: Argentina |
| 22:05.47 | pilgrim | use* |
| 22:06.02 | threat | pilgrim, ok |
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| 22:06.11 | threat | Shadowcat, what up? |
| 22:06.16 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 22:07.04 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, now, _that_ I know is _painful_. |
| 22:07.27 | Shadowcat | I'll make you watch all of Bush's speeches on that winME box if you keep annoying me |
| 22:07.35 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 22:07.36 | faber_451 | Hey, I've got a problem with apt. I'm running Stable, and I tried apt-get installing thinkpad-base. For a few reasons (which I believe had to do with a screwy IRQ on the modem on this thinkpad computer), apt threw errors and died while trying to install thinkpad-base. Now I can't install any packages, because the first thing it does upon an issue of "apt-get install ..." is try to remove the thinkpad-base package. I've licked around google |
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| 22:07.54 | pilgrim | Shadowcat, ok. ok. I'll leave. *crying* |
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| 22:08.51 | faber_451 | wow. well *that* stopped the conversation. |
| 22:09.01 | faber_451 | o_0 |
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| 22:09.35 | Eulex | faber_451, paste the exact error in a pastebin |
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| 22:09.46 | faber_451 | alright, give me a second |
| 22:09.52 | Kolan | how do I reset a package? I've a package which I want to reinstall as from a clean state. |
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| 22:11.19 | faber_451 | Eulex: do you mean #pastebin ? |
| 22:11.20 | pusling | my X works fine except the mouse will not work. How do I try to track thsi down ? |
| 22:12.33 | Eulex | faber_451, no, pastebin.com |
| 22:12.33 | faber_451 | Eulex: ah, thanks |
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| 22:12.46 | faber_451 | Eulex: Never used pastebin before. Alright, I think it's located here: http://pastebin.com/636621 |
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| 22:12.53 | daeos | \amethyst: so how would i kill my other login? |
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| 22:14.10 | daeos | or would anyone else know? |
| 22:14.20 | daeos | im trying to kill pts/1 |
| 22:14.41 | faber_451 | hmm |
| 22:14.54 | daeos | its a login that got timed out |
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| 22:15.08 | daeos | so when i do finger, im logged in 2 times |
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| 22:15.30 | faber_451 | daeos: type "who" |
| 22:15.32 | daeos | and with ps -aux | grep pts/1 i get the response that it found only my grep line |
| 22:15.35 | daeos | ok |
| 22:15.43 | faber_451 | daeos: it'll give you the terminal that you're logged in under |
| 22:16.05 | faber_451 | daeos: then you can do ps -A to figure out the login/bash/whatever and the pid |
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| 22:16.11 | daeos | ok |
| 22:16.11 | Eulex | faber_451, does apt-get remove thinkpad-base work? |
| 22:16.16 | faber_451 | daeos: which you can kill -9 |
| 22:16.18 | faber_451 | I think :) |
| 22:16.20 | daeos | right |
| 22:16.25 | faber_451 | it's been a while since I did that. |
| 22:16.37 | Eulex | faber_451, if that doesn't work, you could try tweaking the script that's failing |
| 22:16.54 | faber_451 | Eulex: no, it doesn't work. it won't remove it, won't --purge it, nothing. |
| 22:17.16 | cramm | dpkg --purge thinkpad-base doesn't help? |
| 22:17.18 | faber_451 | it's the software equivilant of a molly bolt. |
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| 22:17.24 | faber_451 | cramm: nope. |
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| 22:17.55 | Eulex | faber_451, then tweak the failing script. it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 22:18.06 | faber_451 | tweak it to do what though? |
| 22:18.17 | daeos | ok what worked was i logged in again, and in the second one, i logged out :) fixed it that way |
| 22:18.28 | linus_newbie | goodnight guys, thank you for your help, i quit.Just one question is it ok, when i moved my system from mandrake to debian, use my exmandrake /home as my actual /home on debian (i only selected to mount it as /home, i didn't deleted anything from the other install) |
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| 22:18.42 | Tedd | hi all |
| 22:18.54 | Eulex | faber_451, if you can't figure out how to correct it, you can just try adding an exit 0 at the top, which will quit it directly with a successful return code |
| 22:19.21 | faber_451 | hmm |
| 22:19.33 | Tedd | nb recherche aide |
| 22:19.49 | Eulex | faber_451, if you're ambitious, you could try debugging the script |
| 22:19.53 | faber_451 | Eulex: so it would still be half-installed, but apt-get wouldn't die? |
| 22:20.07 | faber_451 | Eulex: Haha, not an option. I'm somewhat of a newbie at all of this |
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| 22:20.18 | Eulex | faber_451, that does fully depend on what the postrm does |
| 22:20.24 | Eulex | !fr |
| 22:20.24 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 22:20.31 | ezech | hi :) |
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| 22:20.37 | Tedd | ok |
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| 22:22.38 | cluck | isn't there a bsd's vidcontrol like tool in debian? |
| 22:22.52 | pipeline | cluck: Not really. |
| 22:23.10 | pipeline | cluck: There's a tool that flips a magic byte in memory in /dev/mem, but it doesn't work very reliably. |
| 22:23.18 | pipeline | cluck: You basically have to reboot and provide new boot arguments. |
| 22:23.35 | pipeline | cluck: Your best bet is to use "vga=normal" and use X to satisfy your framebuffer needs. |
| 22:23.47 | cluck | pipeline: i know that |
| 22:24.11 | cluck | pipeline: but i wanted one that could do it without rebooting |
| 22:24.13 | Eulex | cluck, you could check out vesafb-tng, it enabled you to switch modes without rebooting |
| 22:24.18 | Eulex | *enables |
| 22:24.29 | Eulex | cluck, requires kernel patches, though |
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| 22:24.47 | cluck | Eulex: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 22:24.57 | syamajala | hi |
| 22:25.05 | cluck | pipeline: which one were you thinking about? |
| 22:25.10 | cluck | rdev? |
| 22:25.12 | pipeline | cluck: I'm telling you that it's not really possible. There's an analogous tool, but I can't remember what it's called and I don't think it works on 2.6 kernels. |
| 22:25.18 | syamajala | i seem to be having trouble with iptables |
| 22:25.37 | unstable | !iptables |
| 22:25.38 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
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| 22:25.46 | cluck | thanks all anyway |
| 22:25.49 | syamajala | i did modprobe iptable_nat, ip_nat, and ipt_MASQUERADE |
| 22:25.52 | unstable | syamajala: Try #iptables |
| 22:25.56 | linus_newbie | goodbye and goodnight, cya |
| 22:25.57 | syamajala | ok |
| 22:25.58 | syamajala | thanks |
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| 22:30.38 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 22:30.38 | dpkg | Cent OS sux0rz! |
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| 22:36.01 | Kolan | any tips on how to complie my own kernel? |
| 22:36.25 | petemc | read a how to |
| 22:36.43 | cluck | !start a distro war |
| 22:36.43 | dpkg | Cent OS is stupid! |
| 22:36.45 | Kolan | yes, thats what I was asking for, tips on a good |
| 22:36.49 | cluck | hahahah |
| 22:36.56 | cluck | i love this bot :D |
| 22:37.02 | jayeola | Kolan: really easy. i've just done one today for debian |
| 22:37.02 | syamajala | got it working |
| 22:37.04 | syamajala | thanks! |
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| 22:37.24 | Kolan | jayeola: do you have a how to? |
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| 22:38.46 | jayeola | Kolan: um, what machine do you have..? |
| 22:39.04 | Kolan | dual xenon em64t, 4gb ram |
| 22:39.15 | jayeola | i'd start of at the linux documentation project... http://tldp.org |
| 22:39.53 | cramm | Kolan: http://pastebin.ca/47916 |
| 22:39.57 | jayeola | i've made loads before though. just not one for sarge until now |
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| 22:40.35 | cramm | Kolan: that's my personal mini-howto |
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| 22:42.18 | cramm | Kolan: if you are using pure sarge w/o backports you may obviate the "--stem linux" make-kpkg cmd line option |
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| 22:42.40 | cramm | Kolan: <n> is a nomber I increase with every build |
| 22:43.03 | Kolan | ok |
| 22:43.34 | Kolan | those source.deb fiels |
| 22:43.43 | Kolan | where do you get those from? |
| 22:43.51 | cramm | Kolan: p4/k6 is because I compile kernels for my celeron ws and the k6 gw, you should use whaever suits you (em64t, amd64, k8, ...) |
| 22:44.04 | cramm | Kolan: from the debian repos |
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| 22:45.01 | cramm | Kolan: las note: the "rm" in "--revision=3:rm.<n>.0 --append-to-version -<n>rm-p4/k6" are my initials, change that |
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| 22:46.07 | Kolan | debian repos? you mean the debian pkgs? |
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| 22:46.29 | streuner_ | Kolan: mirrors |
| 22:46.34 | Aghaster | what is the equivalent of the task manager in linux? |
| 22:46.39 | Kolan | ps |
| 22:46.43 | Kolan | ok |
| 22:46.49 | Aghaster | how can i see current running processes, and kill them? |
| 22:47.01 | streuner_ | top, ps |
| 22:47.14 | streuner_ | to kill the processes, skill, kill |
| 22:47.32 | cramm | Kolan: yes, have you set up your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 22:48.04 | cramm | Kolan: if so, do a apt-cache --names-only search kernel-source |
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| 22:48.27 | Aghaster | thanks |
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| 22:48.53 | runa | hi can somebody tell me what i need to play ape files |
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| 22:49.17 | ezech | runa: banana? |
| 22:49.22 | cluck | bananas |
| 22:49.27 | unstable | bananas |
| 22:49.27 | cluck | hahahah :D |
| 22:49.36 | Kolan | cramm: I didn't find any newer version than I have |
| 22:49.43 | cluck | twisted minds think alike |
| 22:50.01 | GrimF | please, can somebody tell me, with which program I can resize ext3 partition (using debian etch) ? |
| 22:50.09 | streuner_ | runa: /msg dpgk ape |
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| 22:50.16 | unstable | APE = Winamp Plugins avs file |
| 22:50.43 | unstable | !tell GrimF about qtparted |
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| 22:51.19 | GrimF | qtparted package? |
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| 22:51.41 | runa | sorry i didnt understood |
| 22:51.44 | unstable | GrimF: yes |
| 22:51.47 | ezech | GrimF: qtparted should be used with partition meant to be changed in umounted state |
| 22:51.48 | cramm | Kolan: right, but are you looking for a newer version or trying to compile your own customized kernel w/o updating the version? |
| 22:51.58 | runa | can u tell me what to install |
| 22:52.01 | alele- | what the 'end' of a 'get' message for my web service |
| 22:52.05 | Bash | good night , I have used apt-get upgrade , and now the terminal dont show me the home , only bash-2.0.5. What is the problem ? And what `s the solution ? Thanks |
| 22:52.11 | unstable | runa: You can't use that in debian. |
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| 22:52.15 | Kolan | cramm: a newer version |
| 22:52.16 | unstable | runa: Not without wine/winamp |
| 22:52.22 | ezech | GrimF: you might want to check for damn small linux or something like that |
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| 22:52.30 | ezech | small live-cd with qtparted on board |
| 22:52.32 | GrimF | unstable: can you tell me, this package is already included in debian etch? %) |
| 22:52.32 | unstable | runa: There are tons of xmms/other player visualization plugins/programs just use those. |
| 22:52.38 | unstable | GrimF: yes |
| 22:52.47 | unstable | GrimF: apt-get install qtparted sux; |
| 22:52.56 | GrimF | ezech: I already have knoppix |
| 22:52.57 | unstable | GrimF: Then as non-root type "sux root qtparted" and put in your root pass. |
| 22:53.03 | cramm | Kolan: you may want to take a look to backports.org then |
| 22:53.09 | ezech | GrimF: qtparted is on knoppix cd |
| 22:53.19 | GrimF | unstable: thanx :) |
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| 22:53.45 | jariep1_ | is alsaconf included in alsa-utils? |
| 22:53.52 | Bash | good night , I have used apt-get upgrade , and now the terminal dont show me the home , only bash-2.0.5. What is the problem ? And what `s the solution ? Please !!!!!!!!! Thank |
| 22:54.39 | unstable | jariep1_: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 22:54.57 | unstable | !tell Bash about ask |
| 22:55.00 | GrimF | ezech: thank you, I'll try it :) |
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| 22:56.11 | Bash | I have a question |
| 22:56.21 | Bash | I m using sarge |
| 22:56.40 | Bash | and this is my problem.... |
| 22:56.48 | Bash | I have used apt-get upgrade , and now the terminal dont show me the home , only bash-2.0.5. What is the problem ? And what `s the solution ? Please !!!!!!!!! Thank |
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| 22:57.14 | Howitzer | What is the unstable repo again? |
| 22:57.31 | Ashex | how can I set KDE to shutdown instead of log off? |
| 22:57.37 | Howitzer | because i think i have the wrong repo :s -> Unstable is giving me weird errors :/ |
| 22:58.18 | weasel00 | how can i tell what my dns servers are if my isp is dhcp? |
| 22:58.20 | jariep1_ | unstable, thanks |
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| 22:59.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:59.13 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:59.33 | Ashex | any ideas? |
| 22:59.38 | Ashex | it's a simple question... |
| 22:59.40 | chrisq | weasel00: cat /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 23:00.11 | weasel00 | chrisq : thank you, learned something new =) |
| 23:00.34 | TheWahbinator | why is gnome-session packaged with the 2.14 splash O_o |
| 23:00.41 | chemaja | Ashex: i recall seeing the option somewhere in Control Panel yesterday.... it's there, keep looking :D |
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| 23:00.50 | chrisq | weasel00: no problem |
| 23:00.51 | chemaja | s/Panel/Center |
| 23:00.51 | tarzeau | TheWahbinator: ask the maintainer |
| 23:00.59 | runa | is it possible to convert ape files to mp3 |
| 23:01.05 | tarzeau | TheWahbinator: it's certainly not the users' fault |
| 23:01.08 | TheWahbinator | I just updated it's on sid |
| 23:01.14 | tarzeau | runa: what are ape files? file the.ape says what? |
| 23:01.25 | tarzeau | TheWahbinator: still it's the maintainers fault |
| 23:01.33 | chemaja | Ashex: your display manager also needs to support it (xdm doesn't (at least not by default on etch), gdm and kdm do) |
| 23:01.36 | ezech | ok, bye |
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| 23:01.39 | cramm | ape is a lossless audio format |
| 23:02.16 | cramm | so if you find a way to convert it to wav, you may convert them to mp3 afterwards |
| 23:02.24 | nse | which is the best audio format? |
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| 23:02.38 | tarzeau | nse: it |
| 23:02.41 | tarzeau | ogg, mp3 whatever. sid |
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| 23:03.49 | weasel00 | mp3's got too popular and slowed down developement =( |
| 23:04.01 | tarzeau | huh? |
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| 23:07.28 | lunaphyte | how do i tell debian my cmos clock is set to gmt? |
| 23:08.14 | Hessophanes | lunaphyte: /etc/default/rcS, UTC=yes. |
| 23:08.50 | lunaphyte | thanks! :) |
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| 23:23.15 | GrimF | dpkg: can You tell me, why qtparted can't resize my ext3 partition? |
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| 23:24.02 | evaded | Hi guys :-) |
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| 23:25.05 | kryptech | hello, I'm trying to use git (I'm new to git, I usually use CVS). I fooled around with it earlier today and whenever I used any commands I got this error: |
| 23:25.06 | nkuttler | GrimF: try the command line tool. it probably is more verbose |
| 23:25.07 | wols_ | GrimF: remount as ext2 perhaps? |
| 23:25.08 | Jacobo221 | how can I list the files in a deb package? something like what "tar tf" does |
| 23:25.08 | kryptech | bash: line 1: git-upload-pack: command not found |
| 23:25.31 | wols_ | Jacobo221: dpkg -c. if not: man dpkg |
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| 23:25.33 | kryptech | then when I just try 'git-upload-pack' it works |
| 23:25.37 | yggdrasil | whats good for downloading music ? |
| 23:25.43 | kryptech | so I know that is installed |
| 23:25.43 | k-god | GrimF: dpkg is a bot |
| 23:25.54 | GrimF | thanks |
| 23:26.07 | j0rd | anyone know of a good ramdisk I can use to boot and sysadmin problems on my computer? |
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| 23:26.11 | evaded | I try to setup my TV card it's an Hercules Smart TV. I have do nothing special, just screw that card inside the computer and have installe 'tvtime'. The card are working, tested in that commercial thing. But herer on my Debian box, i can not change an channel. I have only one channel, the last channel that i have view in XP. |
| 23:26.12 | Jacobo221 | wols_: ah, thanks :) |
| 23:26.12 | k-god | Jacobo221: dpkg -l |
| 23:26.15 | j0rd | i need something that has MD tools |
| 23:26.15 | yggdrasil | whats good for downloading music |
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| 23:26.37 | k-god | yggdrasil: wget. curl. lftp. ncftp. |
| 23:26.38 | Jacobo221 | k-god: i was asking listing a .deb package. wols_ already anwsered. thaks anyway |
| 23:26.42 | k-god | yggdrasil: ... what format? |
| 23:26.47 | yggdrasil | k-god just mp3s |
| 23:26.57 | GrimF | nkuttler: I have try parted package under command line tool. it report me that I found a bug in this program. |
| 23:27.02 | k-god | Jacobo221: Good call. |
| 23:27.12 | evaded | Scanning for other channels, but he not find others. I think that the 'tuner' part of that card are not working. I not know where to begin to find my problem. Tips? |
| 23:27.12 | nyo | ppl, what is "Packages.diff" dirs in debian archive for? is there any tool to diff Packages lists? |
| 23:27.13 | nkuttler | GrimF: well... |
| 23:27.19 | k-god | yggdrasil: if you're looking for a gnutella or limewire app: apt-cache search <term> |
| 23:27.38 | k-god | Jacobo221: Not sure if there's currently an iTunes like app. |
| 23:27.45 | GrimF | wols_: remount ? I have booted from knoopix, how i can remount it undef ext2fs? |
| 23:27.51 | evaded | The output of lspci show me '0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)' |
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| 23:28.04 | kryptech | yggdrasil: best not to ask unrelated questions on topical channels. If you are looking for an mp3 site best to google. If you are looking for a program, though, that is another story. |
| 23:28.36 | yggdrasil | jeezuz |
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| 23:28.47 | GrimF | nkuttler: and qtparted can't resize, when I have booted from knoopix live cd |
| 23:29.00 | evaded | Are there some informations i need to run to get the TV card workning? I have no experiece with tv card :-/ |
| 23:29.10 | evaded | s/run/read |
| 23:29.16 | abrotman | ask google .. probably tons of docs |
| 23:29.23 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 23:29.32 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:29.33 | dpkg | <toggle> by the way I don't have man installed.. |
| 23:29.37 | GrimF | nkuttler: than, please, can You tell me how I can resize ext3 partition, which is /home, or I can't under linux? |
| 23:30.00 | kryptech | yggdrasil: well, this is for program questions, try for instance #music |
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| 23:30.16 | kryptech | hrrm... he went away |
| 23:30.31 | k-god | GrimF: My recommendation is to backup, repartition, and resize. There are tools to do a resize interactively, though I'd *still* *strongly* recommend backup. qtparted under Knoppix is a good way to fly. |
| 23:30.35 | evaded | abrotman: Yes, i have google it. But many pages show completely differents things to do, no one working. I think having an little problem with the module it have loaded. Or i need to give some special parameters |
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| 23:31.00 | evaded | Like on this one http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Hercules_Smart_TV_2_Stereo |
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| 23:31.24 | evaded | ^^ but not working :-( |
| 23:31.41 | evaded | I flash on the part of : options tuner force=0, 0x61 ignore=0, 0x60 debug=1 |
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| 23:32.11 | evaded | Like i think there are an problem with that tuner, i have also test with force=1 |
| 23:32.35 | tarzeau | someone with fast opengl drivers here and sdl/gdb experience? |
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| 23:32.53 | GrimF | k-got: thanks, but than I must reinstall linux, its a some long time... :( as I understand, resizing partitions under linux is not good way or is impossible? |
| 23:33.10 | k-god | GrimF: Wrong. |
| 23:33.41 | GrimF | k-god: sorry, but what is wrong? |
| 23:33.48 | k-god | GrimF: Reinstalling is not required. |
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| 23:34.13 | GrimF | k-god: please, tell me what I must to do? |
| 23:34.18 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
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| 23:34.30 | k-god | GrimF: What you have to do depends on your partitioning, which you haven't shared. /msg dpkg paster and post fdisk output there if you want to give useful info. |
| 23:34.38 | evaded | Need i reboot or so if i modify the file '/etc/modules.conf'. If i reboot some things are go one what i have inserted. Have been read the top of that file :-/ How to definitievely load an modules with options? |
| 23:34.53 | k-god | GrimF: I'm not a big fan of interactive filesystem edits. Too many chances for things to go wrong. |
| 23:34.56 | k-god | evaded: No. |
| 23:35.15 | k-god | evaded: ... though it isn't a bad sanity check to see if you've got things right. |
| 23:35.36 | evaded | k-god: I not understand the second msg :-/ |
| 23:36.02 | k-god | evaded: Rebooting to validate changes affecting startup can be useful. |
| 23:36.30 | k-god | evaded: .. depending on how difficult it will be to track things down later. Local desktop / laptop vs. colo'd box are different worlds. |
| 23:36.48 | evaded | k-god: So need i to reboot? It's and desktop |
| 23:36.56 | GrimF | k-god: if it is not a good way to interactive filesystem edit, than I must partition disc from scratch and reinstall linux? |
| 23:37.00 | Harley^ | I have Debian Linux 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 #1 Wed Sep 28 02:31:26 CEST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux ETCH installed. realaudio in Firefox does not seem to work and the Helix player is not available for AMD 64. Is there an easy fix for this to be able to listen to realaudio ram broadcasts ? |
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| 23:37.36 | k-god | GrimF: No. Backup. Repartition. Restore. |
| 23:37.48 | k-god | GrimF: Post 'fdisk -l' outuput. |
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| 23:38.50 | k-god | Harley^: Not sure. There's a libreal.so available on some platforms which runs w/in xmms. _Might_ work but it's been awfully hard to find. Real sucks IMO as a format / player anyway. |
| 23:39.13 | abrotman | is there a real for 64bit XP ? |
| 23:39.22 | GrimF | k-god: I understand You, thanks. I cant get fdisk -l output now, sorry about that. But can You tell me how i can make backub? What package/program I must use? |
| 23:39.28 | Harley^ | k-god, I agree. realaudio is not good. |
| 23:39.32 | k-god | abrotman: Yes, but it's very, very, very little used. |
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| 23:39.55 | Harley^ | k-god I'll see if I can scrounge up libreal.so |
| 23:39.57 | chealer | Harley^: no, Real is proprietary and there are no Free codecs |
| 23:39.58 | abrotman | k-god: i meant he might be able to get it and use it with mplayer |
| 23:40.07 | k-god | GrimF: tar works just fine. rsync if you've already got a start at it (only backs up the changed portions of files). |
| 23:40.23 | WhyWork | During the installation of postgresql, I get a warning stating "adduser: Warning: that home directory does not belong to the user you are currently creating." I assume this is because of the created postgresql admin user. Does anyone now if this warning is fine, or if I there is some action to be taken after the install? |
| 23:40.39 | k-god | GrimF: tar czvf <destination> <path>. rsync -avz <local> <remote> |
| 23:40.53 | simonrvn | /nick WhyFart |
| 23:41.13 | k-god | GrimF: Best done with system in single-user mode for the final pass, particularly w/ rsync. |
| 23:41.54 | GrimF | k-got: thanks at all. I'll try it :) |
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| 23:42.41 | k-god | GrimF: Googling "linux backups faq" should turn up a page of mine (I'm karsten self) with general backup tips, mostly based on tar. |
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| 23:43.20 | Aghaster | how can i add new key combinations for xim? |
| 23:43.30 | GrimF | k-got: thanks :) |
| 23:43.36 | simonrvn | k-god: you are? really? since when? |
| 23:43.44 | simonrvn | :P |
| 23:43.58 | k-god | simonrvn: Hush! |
| 23:44.08 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 23:44.57 | simonrvn | crap, my apple just broke in two |
| 23:45.17 | simonrvn | all gone |
| 23:45.25 | bsims | I am trying to install the new pan beta it needs libprce I have libprce3 and libprce3-dev installed but dpkg-buildpackage can't find the libs any ideas? |
| 23:45.32 | k-god | simonrvn: ?? |
| 23:45.35 | simonrvn | pcre? |
| 23:45.48 | bsims | yeah thats the beast |
| 23:45.56 | simonrvn | k-god: eating an apple |
| 23:46.04 | k-god | simonrvn: I think it's a new SI unit. Pico-hectare. |
| 23:46.10 | simonrvn | maybe that's why you couldn't find it? ;p |
| 23:46.25 | simonrvn | ookaaay |
| 23:46.31 | k-god | !tell bsims: about search |
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| 23:46.50 | foo | What temp is too hot for a laptop? |
| 23:46.51 | foo | C |
| 23:46.53 | bsims | heh no I do have the damn thing installed whereis libpcre says /usr/lib/libpcre.so |
| 23:47.01 | k-god | smoke is generally a bad sign |
| 23:47.05 | simonrvn | when it burns your thighs? |
| 23:47.13 | bsims | If I can find it why can't configure... |
| 23:47.17 | bsims | grumble |
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| 23:47.34 | simonrvn | you need headers too, but you seem to have figured that out |
| 23:47.43 | abrotman | !find lib/libpcre.so sarge |
| 23:47.46 | k-god | bsims: Ah. Wrong version? Methinks you want verboser make output. |
| 23:47.49 | bbrazil | simonrvn: perl compatible regular expressions |
| 23:47.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:47.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lib/libpcre.so' (2): (/usr/lib/libpcre.so) in libdevel/libpcre3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libpcre.so.3|libpcre.so.3.10.0}) in libs/libpcre3. |
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| 23:48.24 | simonrvn | i'm not the one with the problem here, but thank you |
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| 23:48.30 | bsims | k-god: nope 3.9 or higher and I am current with sid |
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| 23:48.48 | simonrvn | looks like 3.10 there |
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| 23:48.56 | bsims | yeah odd |
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| 23:52.39 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:52.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:53.16 | cluck | hahahah |
| 23:53.17 | simonrvn | holy, it's almost 20:00 |
| 23:53.29 | cluck | against all odds i've made it! |
| 23:53.39 | abrotman | made what? |
| 23:53.47 | cluck | svgatextmode rules! |
| 23:53.57 | bsims | abrotman: smeg this is annoying the new pan looks darn tasty |
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| 23:54.34 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 23:55.01 | GrimF | have somebody else have troubles in midnight commander in console of debian etch beta2? :) |
| 23:55.14 | GrimF | not using X |
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| 23:55.23 | yoo | IS it possible to put a heading or caption with date on a tar archive ? |
| 23:55.33 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/libpcre.so.3 -> libpcre.so.3.12.0 |
| 23:55.34 | yoo | on tape travan |
| 23:55.44 | simonrvn | bsims: ^^ |
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| 23:56.25 | simonrvn | /usr/include/pcre.h; /usr/lib/libpcre.a; etc. |
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| 23:56.49 | simonrvn | crap, clicked close by accident |
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| 23:58.28 | yoo | i do this command ; |
| 23:58.30 | yoo | tar cMvfjp /dev/nht0 /mnt/sauvegarde |
| 23:58.45 | bsims | simonrvn: yeah they are there |
| 23:58.46 | evaded | @tv |
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| 23:58.47 | ravenbird | rumour has it, tv is KILL YOUR TELEVISION! (by watching it until it burns out) |
| 23:58.50 | yoo | but no i also wand a heasing with date |
| 23:58.56 | evaded | !tv |
| 23:58.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, tv is modprobe bttv msp3400 tuner; wmtvmotv |
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| 23:59.14 | evaded | I try ^^ but he say 'bash: wmtvmotv: command not found' |
| 23:59.26 | evaded | Is there somethings i have not view? |
| 23:59.48 | debnewbie | i cant seem to print photos from digikam. The print job says processing, but the printer never prints. I can print the same photo from kuickshow however |
