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| 00:00.15 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here use 'etch'? is it worth getting for a desktop? |
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| 00:00.53 | cureless | Led_Zeppelin: I use sid just fine |
| 00:01.14 | Led_Zeppelin | cureless: sid is crazy, talking about unstable, etch |
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| 00:01.29 | drdrift | anyone here help me with postfix my mail was working until i did an apt-update, and now one in postfix can help as its "Debian" :/ http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/y4EBiK91.html |
| 00:01.52 | nse | Led_Zeppelin: sid is unstable |
| 00:01.54 | drdrift | now=oneone* |
| 00:01.54 | cureless | Led_Zeppelin: unstable is sid. |
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| 00:02.10 | Led_Zeppelin | what is etch? |
| 00:02.15 | abrotman | JMTeal: good plan |
| 00:02.18 | cureless | Led_Zeppelin: testing |
| 00:02.20 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i use it on my laptop |
| 00:02.25 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: etch is testing |
| 00:02.37 | Led_Zeppelin | aa okay. So I should be gettin etch then |
| 00:02.39 | nse | etch is the best option for you if you are not a developer |
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| 00:03.10 | resiak | Sarge is probably the best option ;) |
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| 00:04.25 | nse | there's something in upgrading testing every time that makes it interesting |
| 00:04.29 | Led_Zeppelin | i am running sarge now, and its fine. But the packages are kinda outdated, espeically postgreql |
| 00:04.58 | CcSsNET | sarge is to outdated for me |
| 00:05.06 | Led_Zeppelin | same here |
| 00:05.07 | CcSsNET | im actually backing up my shit as we speak |
| 00:05.08 | resiak | $deity forbid an old version of KDE |
| 00:05.10 | CcSsNET | then reinstalling |
| 00:05.11 | Led_Zeppelin | thats what I am going to etch |
| 00:05.17 | nse | for almost everybody who is not a server |
| 00:05.19 | CcSsNET | CcSsNET's P3 Stats: |
| 00:05.19 | CcSsNET | Can't open perl script "sysinfo.pl": No such file or directory |
| 00:05.19 | Nihilanth | sarge works fine for me for the most part |
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| 00:05.25 | unlearn | how can u upgrade to etch from sarge? |
| 00:05.27 | adrakoa | hi |
| 00:05.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:05.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:05.30 | Nihilanth | only need to install like 3 backports |
| 00:05.31 | CcSsNET | damn i deleted my script already |
| 00:05.31 | CcSsNET | haha |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | !tell unlearn about sarge->etch |
| 00:05.58 | Led_Zeppelin | !tell Led_Zeppelin about sarge->etch |
| 00:06.19 | drdrift | anyone help me with this mail error? |
| 00:06.39 | Coweater | Led_Zeppelin: you can msg the bot |
| 00:06.41 | JMTeal | abrotman thanks a bunch... for future reference, is there a way to get the latest kernel without knowing the name of the package? |
| 00:06.49 | Led_Zeppelin | k |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | JMTeal: this was a special case because it changed ABI compatibility .. normally it will just get it |
| 00:07.12 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: think PSU will be good next year in Football? :-) |
| 00:07.21 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: uhm .. no |
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| 00:07.29 | CcSsNET | anyone with kernel issues i recommend a guide my friend b0re wrote |
| 00:07.33 | CcSsNET | you can find it here: |
| 00:07.39 | CcSsNET | shytb0x.com |
| 00:07.41 | abrotman | oh goodie .. spam! |
| 00:08.16 | adrakoa | i don't boot with framebuffer i810.. only vesa.. I compile inside kernel the driver, i have grub.. i try with append= append="video=i810fb:vram:2,xres:1024,yres:768,bpp:8,hsync1:30,hsync2:55,vsync1:50,vsync2:85,accel,mtrr" |
| 00:08.26 | adrakoa | ??? |
| 00:09.13 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: just asking :-).hehehhe. I know you get pissed off when I speak to you..LOL |
| 00:09.24 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: not at all .. i don't mind a bit |
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| 00:09.39 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i went to PSU for a few years .. i'm less than faithful about the football team though |
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| 00:09.48 | Led_Zeppelin | heh |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i was there during hte "really bad years" in the mid 90s |
| 00:10.17 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: I though they were good then |
| 00:10.25 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know what version of postgresql is in etch? |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i think there are two or three versions |
| 00:10.48 | Led_Zeppelin | sweet! |
| 00:10.55 | Led_Zeppelin | know if 8 exists on there? abrotman |
| 00:11.08 | abrotman | !find postgresql-client- etch |
| 00:11.33 | adrakoa | Led_Zeppelin version 7.4.6-4 |
| 00:11.40 | abrotman | adrakoa: there are three |
| 00:11.45 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 00:11.45 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm already awake! :) |
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| 00:12.17 | magyar | anyone using postfix/sasl here? SOS |
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| 00:12.25 | adrakoa | abrotman is true :) |
| 00:12.43 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman is always right... lol |
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| 00:13.03 | adrakoa | somebody can help with the framebuffer, please... |
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| 00:17.06 | obscuresoul | does anyone here used the gdmsetup in sarge? |
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| 00:18.01 | abrotman | obscuresoul: just ask |
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| 00:19.57 | obscuresoul | abrotman i'm asking this because everytime i run gdmsetup and try to drag the vertical scroll in the standard greeter tab it crashes |
| 00:20.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:21.01 | obscuresoul | in sarge... |
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| 00:22.31 | Nihilanth | would i have incompatibilities between aptitude and apt-get if i only used aptitude for dist-upgrades ? |
| 00:22.36 | unlearn | trying to upgrade to etch. what does non local mean? |
| 00:22.40 | Nihilanth | i read that there were problems between the two |
| 00:22.44 | obscuresoul | abrotman how can i solve this? there's any patch or something else? |
| 00:23.03 | unlearn | non local mentions of sarge or stable |
| 00:24.30 | chealer | Nihilanth: yes. aptitude==incompatible |
| 00:24.45 | obscuresoul | there's anyone here with the same problem? |
| 00:25.13 | Nihilanth | chealer: erm, which should i use? |
| 00:25.21 | Nihilanth | if i can't use them both |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | obscuresoul: what are you trying to change? |
| 00:25.43 | adrakoa | Nihilanth aptitude is a front-end of apt |
| 00:25.50 | chealer | Nihilanth: either. if you ask me, aptitude is unusable due to its incompatibility |
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| 00:26.45 | adrakoa | Nihilanth apt-cache show aptitude |
| 00:27.11 | Nihilanth | chealer: i read apt-get dist-upgrade sometimes misses dependencies, you're telling me that if i ran aptitude dist-upgrade it wouldn't work? |
| 00:27.21 | Nihilanth | assuming i installed all my other packages with apt-get |
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| 00:28.42 | obscuresoul | abrotman well i wanted to have another theme for gdm... i've already installed it but the gdm's theme still the same |
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| 00:29.20 | chealer | Nihilanth: oh, for a big dist-upgrade, yes, it could be better to use aptitude. apt-get doesn't miss dependencies, it just has often suboptimal dependencies resolutions |
| 00:29.28 | abrotman | obscuresoul: oh .. i thought it was some thing real :) |
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| 00:30.38 | Nihilanth | chealer: i think i understand |
| 00:30.48 | adrakoa | help with my framebuffer i810, please. How can i boot with this fb, if i compile this inside kernel? i have grub, i probe with append.. i read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/*, i search in google, but always cat /proc/fb == , i'm stupid, but help pleaseee.... |
| 00:30.54 | Nihilanth | chealer: how exactly are apt and aptitude incompatible then? |
| 00:31.11 | obscuresoul | abrotman but when i tried to use gdmsetup to solve that problem i found that bug eheh |
| 00:31.12 | adrakoa | cat /proc/fb == 0 VGA16 VGA |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | obscuresoul: all i can say is to check the BTS |
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| 00:32.24 | abrotman | idiots |
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| 00:33.04 | chealer | Nihilanth: aptitude keeps its own list of packages desired for install. if you use normal APT frontends too, aptitude will look broken after, wanting to install or remove packages with apparently no reason |
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| 00:33.31 | obscuresoul | abrotman i've checked already with no luck |
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| 00:33.39 | obscuresoul | but do you use gnome? |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | obscuresoul: maybe it's a bug in the theme? |
| 00:33.50 | abrotman | obscuresoul: yeah .. but on etch |
| 00:34.04 | cire | When loggin in (KDE), kpowersave says, kpowersaved wasn't running, but it is... (pid file exists, process is running). How may I avoid that? I also am not able to change powersave settings, context menu only has "help" and "quit"... |
| 00:34.57 | obscuresoul | abrotman have you tried to drag the vertical scroll in the "standard greeters" tab of gdmsetup? |
| 00:35.03 | chealer | cire: did you try restarting kpowersave? |
| 00:35.13 | cire | chealer: yes, several times |
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| 00:35.43 | Nihilanth | chealer: i can't say i quite understand, but just to clarify, aptitude dist-upgrade will work fine with apt-get as the main package manager? |
| 00:36.08 | abrotman | obscuresoul: on etch ? |
| 00:36.13 | obscuresoul | abrotman yes |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | obscuresoul: well ... the tab is titled "Local" ..but it works fine |
| 00:36.39 | chealer | Nihilanth: I don't think so. I don't know the issue deeply, but I'd suggest you to purge aptitude and reinstall it each time you're about to use it, in order to workaround the problem |
| 00:37.22 | Nihilanth | chealer: in that case, forget it. It sounds more trouble than it's worth |
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| 00:38.23 | chealer | Nihilanth: the sarge release notes do recommend aptitude instead of apt-get for upgrading from Woody, so it may well be a good idea to use aptitude once for each Debian release |
| 00:38.33 | obscuresoul | abrotman oh |
| 00:38.49 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: just s/apt-get/aptitude/ everywhere. |
| 00:38.56 | gnu2it2 | how can you tell if eth0 is set at 100 full duplex from the command line? if not how to change? |
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| 00:39.05 | pipeline | gnu2it2: ifconfig will tell you if it's set. |
| 00:39.05 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: in the initial case, aptitude won't do anything strange because you haven't indicated any packages for it to install differently. |
| 00:39.16 | dondelelcaro | gnu2it2: mii-tool is how you change it |
| 00:39.23 | abrotman | !beer HedgeMage |
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| 00:40.05 | Nihilanth | why would the release notes recommend it for upgrading between releases? |
| 00:40.30 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: because it is able to more sanely resolve conflicts and track which packages you actually want to install as opposed to those that have been manually installed. |
| 00:40.32 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: mii-tool? ethtool :\ |
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| 00:40.45 | chealer | Nihilanth: because aptitude is superior to apt-get for dependencies resolution |
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| 00:40.54 | stew | Nihilanth: woody's apt-get had a bug that made it break when trying to handle large circular dependencies |
| 00:40.55 | pipeline | chealer: I thought they both used libapt |
| 00:41.11 | chealer | pipeline: I hope they do. but in a different way |
| 00:41.27 | obscuresoul | abrotman btw, what's the difference among using sarge and then upgrading it to testing, and using etch without upgrades |
| 00:41.30 | Nihilanth | i suppose i'll just read the etch release notes and figure it out when ti's released |
| 00:41.33 | Nihilanth | it's * |
| 00:41.44 | Nihilanth | apt is sufficient though, right? |
| 00:41.47 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: you may as well just start using aptitude now |
| 00:42.11 | chealer | Nihilanth: maybe stew is right about the apt-get bug being Woody-specific, I didn't remember well |
| 00:42.22 | dondelelcaro | chealer: no, it's not, unfortunatly. |
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| 00:42.39 | xomhau | hi |
| 00:42.43 | dondelelcaro | more importantly, it's a bug that's present currently when there are circular dependencies |
| 00:42.53 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I'm pretty sure aptitude is still superior in the area, but maybe it was worst in woody |
| 00:43.01 | dondelelcaro | chealer: it has little to do with aptitude |
| 00:43.07 | abrotman | obscuresoul: mixing is bad |
| 00:43.21 | chealer | dondelelcaro: well, I was just talking comparatively |
| 00:43.24 | dondelelcaro | chealer: its primarily a function of the fact that we don't have a libdpkg yet, and the dpkg calls are subject to command line length limitations. |
| 00:43.41 | bill | hey i'm making a dual boot but when i try to run xp it just hangs on the grub commands. any ideas? i edited the grub.conf to include title winxp/root(0,1)/makeactive/chainloader +1 |
| 00:43.50 | chealer | Nihilanth: apt is a library used by both apt-get and aptitude |
| 00:44.22 | adrakoa | bill apt-get install grub-doc, there are a lot examples |
| 00:44.27 | chealer | dondelelcaro: that remembers me something, but I don't pretend to know about the causes of the issue |
| 00:44.28 | Nihilanth | yeah, i'm not real up to date on the terms |
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| 00:44.55 | abrotman | bill: instead of root(0,1) .. try hd(0,1) |
| 00:45.04 | dondelelcaro | chealer: the cause is apt-get would call dpkg -i with a specific set of packages which would only have half of the circular dependency. dpkg would then refuse to configure those packages, because the other half of the circular dependency wasn't satisfied. |
| 00:45.20 | dondelelcaro | chealer: the solution is to stop using the command line to call dpkg at all |
| 00:45.35 | bill | abrotman sorry its actually `root hd(0,1)` i believe |
| 00:45.41 | chealer | Nihilanth: it's a bit messy. the APT and dpkg layers separation is not considered very good by everyone |
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| 00:45.55 | obscuresoul | abrotman do you use the last release of etch (beta 2)? |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | bill: might be good to chekc |
| 00:46.03 | bill | adrakoa: got it |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | obscuresoul: i've been using etch for a while |
| 00:46.08 | dondelelcaro | the separation is fine, it's just that libdpkg needs to happen... |
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| 00:46.40 | bill | abrotman : `rootnoverify (hd0,1) |
| 00:46.41 | dondelelcaro | (which basically means that someone has to have time to make it happen; few of the people who know how dpkg works have that kind of time available) |
| 00:46.45 | chealer | dondelelcaro: maybe |
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| 00:46.54 | abrotman | bill: it works ? |
| 00:47.08 | abrotman | bill: i don't use the noverify .. you might want to double check with #grub |
| 00:47.16 | obscuresoul | abrotman ok tks :) |
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| 00:47.28 | Nihilanth | well... |
| 00:47.31 | Nihilanth | um |
| 00:47.36 | Nihilanth | i'm confused as to what i should do |
| 00:47.39 | cire | okay, now I found out that running kpowersave as root works. Starting it as user just reports powersaved wouldn't run. Any ideas? |
| 00:47.41 | bill | abrotman : i also tried just root |
| 00:47.45 | Fetal | I am having issues with dependencies and binutils, apparently binutils recquires libc6, but there is no i386 libc6 |
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| 00:48.26 | chealer | Nihilanth: big dist-upgrade, purge aptitude, reinstall it, use it to dist-upgrade, then continue as normal |
| 00:48.28 | Puter | I've installed and configured SQUID 2.5.10-6 however it keeps exiting with due to signal 6 ? Anyone know why this might be ? |
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| 00:48.47 | rvsjoen | Fetal: yes there is |
| 00:48.49 | stew | Fetal: "libc6" is i386 libc6 |
| 00:48.57 | Fetal | erm |
| 00:49.07 | Nihilanth | chealer: apt-get'll work for small dist-upgrades? |
| 00:49.08 | Fetal | i have that "alpha" |
| 00:49.13 | adrakoa | bye |
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| 00:49.17 | Fetal | the other on debpackages is ia64 |
| 00:49.34 | bill | should i be editing menu.lst or grub.conf? |
| 00:49.47 | chealer | Nihilanth: yes. apt-get always* works, it might just be suboptimal at times |
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| 00:50.33 | dondelelcaro | ugh. Just use aptitude. |
| 00:50.37 | Fetal | am i being completely oblivius and alpa is an alpha version of the package for the i386? |
| 00:50.43 | resiak | No. |
| 00:50.52 | resiak | Alpha is a different architecture. |
| 00:50.57 | Fetal | k thats what i thought |
| 00:51.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell Fetal -about bat |
| 00:51.08 | rvsjoen | http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/libc6 |
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| 00:51.25 | dondelelcaro | Fetal: give us the complete output for the apt-get or aptitude run that is causing you problems; (see dpkg's instructions) |
| 00:51.45 | Fetal | i cant |
| 00:51.50 | Fetal | i am in winblows |
| 00:51.53 | dondelelcaro | Fetal: so? |
| 00:52.07 | Fetal | i dont have interenet atm and i dont have the log accessible |
| 00:52.18 | Fetal | im dling that lib ty for the link |
| 00:52.46 | Fetal | I am trying to get wireless working as i dont have a ethernet connection |
| 00:52.50 | Nihilanth | chealer: sorry, this is getting really redudant, if apt-get is functional why is it reccommended to use aptitude, and then why is it necessary to purge it and reinstall it after a dist-upgrade to a new release? |
| 00:52.50 | dondelelcaro | Fetal: *shrug*; well, good luck then. It'll be pretty difficult for us to help you without that information though. |
| 00:53.06 | Fetal | this deb should work |
| 00:53.17 | Fetal | i just couldnt find the right package is all |
| 00:53.24 | rvsjoen | you also need the packages that it depends on |
| 00:53.31 | Fetal | yep |
| 00:53.43 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: aptitude is more featureful and resolves specific problems much better than apt-get can. apt-get is just a demo for libapt. It was never intended to be as popular as it became. |
| 00:53.45 | Fetal | i been dling dependencies for about 2 days now... |
| 00:53.51 | JMTeal | abrotman : can i paste you the output of the kernel update? i just noticed that it's not good... |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | JMTeal: sure |
| 00:54.02 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: just use aptitude. |
| 00:54.39 | Nihilanth | isn't there a serious bug with aptitude |
| 00:54.53 | chealer | Nihilanth: wait maybe I think I was wrong when I said apt-get always worked. I have never been in the situation, but I think that what dondelelcaro says is that apt-get just doesn't work for big upgrades |
| 00:54.57 | ice_1963 | abrotman:like's nvidia lol |
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| 00:55.04 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: eh? |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | ice_1963: huh? |
| 00:55.13 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: hold on... |
| 00:55.29 | JMTeal | abrotman : there ya go... |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | i see it |
| 00:55.51 | chealer | Nihilanth: it's not necessary to purge and reinstall it after, it might be before if you use other package managers |
| 00:56.02 | dondelelcaro | chealer: it isn't in either case. |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | JMTeal: does that file exist ? |
| 00:56.11 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299009 |
| 00:56.18 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 299009 |
| 00:56.22 | dpkg | #299009:I[aptitude] aptitude: Different package status results from command line vs. interactive use; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:33:02 UTC |
| 00:56.38 | JMTeal | abrotman : what file? |
| 00:56.48 | Fetal | peace and ty for the help |
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| 00:56.58 | chealer | dondelelcaro: OK, do you mean there's another workaround the incompatibility then purging, or the incompatibility isn't problematic for a dist-upgrade? |
| 00:56.58 | htrp | how do you update my kernel using apt-get ? |
| 00:57.21 | chealer | htrp: you install the new kernel package or update the one you already use |
| 00:57.23 | htrp | I* |
| 00:57.35 | htrp | howd i do that? |
| 00:57.36 | dondelelcaro | chealer: the only incompatibility is that aptitude can't keep track of whether specific packages have been manually or automatically installed if you use another package manager. |
| 00:57.37 | htrp | using apt-get |
| 00:57.53 | chealer | htrp: you first find the kernel package which contains the kernel you want |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | JMTeal: the one it says is missing |
| 00:57.53 | dondelelcaro | chealer: if you see that it's doing that, it's trivial to fix, simply by marking the packages you care about as manually installed. |
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| 00:58.22 | htrp | i know kernel what im using |
| 00:58.24 | Azar | anyone read yet Bruce Perens' press conference at LinuxWorld Expo in Boston? |
| 00:58.29 | htrp | how do you do it with apt-get? |
| 00:58.34 | JMTeal | abrotman : i guess not ... ? |
| 00:58.38 | htrp | what* |
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| 00:58.42 | abrotman | JMTeal: you should look |
| 00:58.43 | chealer | dondelelcaro: is there a way to "reset" the package marked installed other than purging? |
| 00:59.04 | stew | chealer: man aptitude will tell you how to mark packages as auto or not |
| 00:59.05 | dondelelcaro | chealer: just mark everything that's installed as manually installed. |
| 00:59.07 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I meant excluding doing it manually for each package |
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| 00:59.19 | dondelelcaro | chealer: it's a single line with xargs. Pretty trivial. |
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| 00:59.43 | dondelelcaro | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^ii|xargs aptitude --schedule-only install; |
| 00:59.52 | Azar | uh aptitude not working for htrp ? |
| 01:00.01 | chealer | stew: bah, I don't want to learn aptitude. |
| 01:00.22 | htrp | Azar? |
| 01:00.23 | chealer | dondelelcaro: do we have a factoid for that? |
| 01:00.24 | dondelelcaro | chealer: you may as well... there's really not that much to learn |
| 01:00.28 | stew | chealer: oh i misread, are you talking about pacakges marked as install but not installed? |
| 01:00.59 | chealer | stew: I think...I don't know aptitude much, but we're discussing how to workaround #299009 |
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| 01:01.16 | dondelelcaro | chealer: that's nothing that you should ever run if you're actually using aptitude, because it marks all packages as manually installed. |
| 01:01.16 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I was suggesting purging aptitude and reinstalling |
| 01:01.18 | notx | how do you shutdown xwindows from console? |
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| 01:01.31 | chealer | !xwindows |
| 01:01.31 | dpkg | xwindows is probably NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 01:01.36 | dondelelcaro | chealer: that's even worse. |
| 01:01.46 | abrotman | JMTeal: do you have initrd-tools installed ? |
| 01:01.46 | chealer | notx: do you use a display manager? |
| 01:01.48 | dondelelcaro | seriously, if you don't use aptitude, don't recommend ways to fix problems with it... |
| 01:01.53 | notx | chealer: nope |
| 01:02.01 | shogunx | notx killall -9 x-window-manager |
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| 01:02.24 | notx | thanx |
| 01:02.25 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I hope I was only suggesting it, and didn't think it was bad for someone who doesn't use aptitude regularly |
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| 01:02.36 | notx | didnt work |
| 01:03.00 | chealer | notx: what do you run in your X session(s)? |
| 01:03.02 | shogunx | notx do ps -e and see what processes are spawned by startx |
| 01:03.12 | shogunx | then kill them. |
| 01:03.13 | notx | xterm and xclock etc.. |
| 01:03.14 | notx | k |
| 01:03.31 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: can i run aptitude strictly from the command line? |
| 01:03.37 | Nihilanth | without the curses UI |
| 01:03.44 | chealer | dondelelcaro: about the use for the one-liner, "not everybody" uses aptitude |
| 01:03.59 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: yes |
| 01:04.15 | JMTeal | abrotman : no, does not exist. |
| 01:04.17 | Azar | sorry I did not understand Nihilanth either... I do not see a problem/issue with aptitude vs apt-get in my system |
| 01:04.21 | dondelelcaro | chealer: sure, but someone who doesn't shouldn't use it that way either. |
| 01:04.28 | abrotman | JMTeal: dpkg -l initrd-tools .. what does it say ? |
| 01:04.47 | dondelelcaro | basically, you should switch to using it, and then mark packages appropriately. |
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| 01:05.18 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: but you'll eventually learn to like the curses UI, because you can resolve problems much more elegantly there if you're doing non trivial things |
| 01:05.21 | JMTeal | abrotman : in #flood |
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| 01:05.37 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: maybe |
| 01:05.40 | ceplma | I am happy user of aptitude (almost only in the interactive mode), but I would be interested in adept. Does anybody know whether adept is/is going to be/will be able to keep list of packages installed just to satisfy a dependency as aptitude does? |
| 01:05.41 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 01:05.48 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: do you know exactly what that bug means? |
| 01:05.54 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: yes. |
| 01:05.56 | abrotman | JMTeal: you may have to reinstall that package .. that's the package that creates that conffile |
| 01:06.05 | obscuresoul | shall i run "apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade" after the installation of debian? |
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| 01:06.18 | Azar | obscuresoul: no , use aptitude |
| 01:06.20 | ceplma | obscuresoul: apt-get update |
| 01:06.27 | dondelelcaro | (although I've never met karsten in person) |
| 01:06.32 | ceplma | obscuresoul: (or aptitude update) |
| 01:06.34 | grendelson | I searched sources and the package itself but I'm missing where I get openoffice.org help files from - I keep getting erros that the file is not installed but I see no specifci HELP package in openoffice (debian testing) |
| 01:06.47 | grendelson | a url or faqsi fine thanks :-) |
| 01:06.48 | Azar | on major system changes/installations like dist-upgrade and kernel upgrades use aptitude |
| 01:06.49 | ceplma | grendelson: it is in contrib |
| 01:06.59 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: heh, what's it mean exactly? |
| 01:07.14 | chealer | ceplma: probably, using debfoster |
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| 01:07.20 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: the issue is related to the fact that aptitude keeps track of which programs you actually want to install, and which just happened to come along for the ride. |
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| 01:07.23 | himmelstrutten | Hiya. I'm searching for a reliable e-mail client. I've been using Kmail and Evolution but they haven't been satisfying my needs. Any recommendations are welcome! |
| 01:07.37 | grendelson | ceplma - pretty sure I have contrib I'll check again - I saw that at openoffice.debian.org but then I saw a newer post that it had been moved into main but for unstable... |
| 01:07.39 | abrotman | himmelstrutten: since you haven't listed any needs .. hard to do |
| 01:07.50 | JMTeal | abrotman : #flood |
| 01:07.52 | ceplma | chealer: it seems to me that aptitude can do it by itself, without debfoster |
| 01:07.57 | abrotman | (i can't imagine those two don't satify your needs) |
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| 01:08.02 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: when you use the command line module, it tries to find a solution to the problem that you've posed (install x, remove y, upgrade z, purge alpha); it then presents you with the solution, and you can modify it. |
| 01:08.07 | Azar | the reference manual on Sarge recommends using aptitude when doing dist-upgrades. |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | JMTeal: apt-get --reinstall install initrd-tools |
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| 01:08.16 | himmelstrutten | abrotman: well they just crasch too often |
| 01:08.17 | hedpe__ | how do i turn system beeps off? |
| 01:08.18 | obscuresoul | Azar why? |
| 01:08.22 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: in the command line mode, it attempts to do the minimal necessary to do the single action. |
| 01:08.29 | htrp | how do i upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | himmelstrutten: uhm .. well .. i've never had Evo crash .. but ok |
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| 01:08.38 | abrotman | htrp: what CPU do you have ? |
| 01:08.40 | Azar | obscuresoul: because they say aptitude is more powerful at managing dependencies than apt-get is |
| 01:08.42 | grendelson | ceplam: I do have contrib listed in sources - do you have a apcakge name? I tried aptitude search openoffice and saw no package specifically with help in the name... |
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| 01:08.47 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: the problem comes in when you've installed packages using apt-get; aptitude assumes that those packages were automatically installed, and if another package doesn't depend on them it'll suggest removing them. |
| 01:08.50 | htrp | i use i686 |
| 01:09.03 | htrp | celeron 800Mhz |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | htrp: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:09.24 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: you can fix it "manually" in aptitude (M shortcut) |
| 01:09.28 | ice_1963 | linux-image |
| 01:09.30 | himmelstrutten | abrot: so isn't there any other e-mail client that could be any better than kmail/evolution? |
| 01:09.38 | htrp | is 2.4 really stable? |
| 01:09.39 | abrotman | ice_1963: depends on the version of debian |
| 01:09.39 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: sure, just like you can on the commandline with unmarkauto |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | himmelstrutten: many .. http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/ |
| 01:09.58 | Azar | ok abrotman, you and dondelecaro know better and I trust you: should we use aptitude or apt-get when dist-upgrade and kernel installations? |
| 01:09.58 | chealer | ceplma: but adept is still alpha even in testing, so wait and see |
| 01:09.59 | grendelson | himmelstrutten, Mutt? |
| 01:10.06 | himmelstrutten | mutt....bah |
| 01:10.11 | Eclipse75 | what all benefits does debian have over slackware? im thinking about switching |
| 01:10.12 | abrotman | Azar: i use apt-get .. i think dondelelcaro uses aptitude |
| 01:10.15 | dondelelcaro | Azar: aptitude. You should basically stop using apt-get. |
| 01:10.15 | htrp | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:10.18 | htrp | im using this kernel |
| 01:10.18 | grendelson | himmelstrutten, I know pine then :-) (foolin') |
| 01:10.19 | JMTeal | abrotman : initrd-tools reinstalled, but it's still not working on the kernel.. |
| 01:10.24 | Stevie | how do I make an xfs filesystem? |
| 01:10.27 | chealer | ceplma: yes. that's why it's "incompatible" with other package managers, I think |
| 01:10.28 | Azar | ok guys thanks its good enough for me |
| 01:10.30 | Stevie | mkxfs isn't quite doing it |
| 01:10.43 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: there isn't a problem between curses and command line aptitude, then? |
| 01:10.45 | abrotman | JMTeal: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install initrd-tools .. i forgot the confmiss part |
| 01:10.47 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: no. |
| 01:10.59 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: oh, okay |
| 01:11.01 | Nihilanth | umm |
| 01:11.06 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: it's a problem between using aptitude and not using aptitude that shows itself when you use the curses UI. |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | Azar: probably when i have to replace my laptop HDD . i'll switch to aptitude |
| 01:11.15 | Eclipse75 | will anybody list some benefits of debian over slackware? |
| 01:11.22 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 01:11.22 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 01:11.23 | Eclipse75 | im considering switching |
| 01:11.28 | JMTeal | abortman : all that up to the ".." ??? |
| 01:11.28 | sclebo05 | package management |
| 01:11.30 | Eclipse75 | !why debian |
| 01:11.32 | ceplma | chealer: and is there any program which would do it in "compatible" way? |
| 01:11.39 | sclebo05 | largest repo |
| 01:11.43 | himmelstrutten | is there any debian connected site that reviews its software? |
| 01:11.43 | sclebo05 | i came from slack |
| 01:11.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you can do it now if you want... pretty easy; just start it, and mark libraries as automatically installed, and just use aptitude for everything else. |
| 01:11.53 | dondelelcaro | himmelstrutten: not particularly |
| 01:11.55 | htrp | is 2.4.27.2 really stable? |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no .. i mean ... i should have replaced my laptop HDD about two months ago :) |
| 01:12.09 | shogunx | htrp yes |
| 01:12.12 | Azar | abrotman: I started using aptitude when Sarge was released as I was upgrading from Woody. Everything here works ok but I understand you guys... I got a very simplistic configuration here, while others go for more... |
| 01:12.13 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh... well, that too. ;-) |
| 01:12.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: as in .. it's going to happen very very soon |
| 01:12.19 | himmelstrutten | debian.org should have some votation system so people could see what kind of programs are popular and innovative |
| 01:12.20 | madradrone | himmelstrutten: debianplanet.org maybe |
| 01:12.28 | dondelelcaro | !popcon |
| 01:12.29 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 01:12.38 | himmelstrutten | madr: alright |
| 01:12.39 | obscuresoul | Azar i didn't know :P but isn't it good to upgrade all the system after the installation? i'm saying this because after the installation of sarge i found in the repositories newer software for sarge |
| 01:12.42 | shogunx | abrotman i actually had to partition around some parts of my laptop hd to get it usable. |
| 01:12.42 | htrp | shogunx, should i upgrade from 2.4.27.2 to 2.6.* |
| 01:12.43 | dondelelcaro | himmelstrutten: see above. |
| 01:12.44 | htrp | ? |
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| 01:12.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you stole tarzeau's thing to do! |
| 01:12.57 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: what does the base-config program use to install software? wouldn't that make aptitude incompatible? |
| 01:12.59 | Stevie | mkfs.xfs: /dev/md0 appears to contain an existing filesystem (reiserfs). |
| 01:12.59 | Stevie | mkfs.xfs: Use the -f option to force overwrite. |
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| 01:13.10 | shogunx | htrp are there features in 2.6 that you would like that 2.4 does not have? |
| 01:13.10 | Stevie | who thinks I should respecify with -f? :D |
| 01:13.10 | chealer | ceplma: I guess debfoster would be the one |
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| 01:13.16 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: baseconfig either starts aptitude or uses tasksel; aptitude knows about tasksel. |
| 01:13.17 | Azar | obscuresoul: you can go for either like abrotman and dondelecaro say, just not MIX. Your choice |
| 01:13.53 | htrp | nvm then |
| 01:13.57 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: er, i mean, if you don't select any extra software to install, just the basics, does it use apt-get? |
| 01:14.09 | ceplma | chealer: I know, but does any program actually uses it (kind of replacement of aptitude with debfoster)? |
| 01:14.09 | pipeline | Nihilanth: Don't worry about it. |
| 01:14.14 | Azar | obscuresoul: I installed and used aptitude only because I was upgrading from Woody (stable) to Sarge (new stable). |
| 01:14.19 | pipeline | Nihilanth: aptitude and apt-get both use apt. :P |
| 01:14.24 | madradrone | Stevie: there's no ambiguity. either you know what is on the partition or you don't. either you want to format it or you don't. |
| 01:14.33 | chealer | ceplma: normal APT frontends use it, optionally |
| 01:14.38 | Nihilanth | pipeline: i'm just curious, i suppose i should stop confusing myself |
| 01:14.40 | Nihilanth | heh |
| 01:15.02 | ceplma | did anybody tried feta? |
| 01:15.03 | JMTeal | abrotman : ok setting up now.. so *now* i should wait and see if the ethernet thing acts up?... by the way, it's been working ever since i got on here and asked about it the first time... |
| 01:15.04 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: if you ask to manually install software, it uses aptitude; if you tell it to do nothing, it just gives you a login prompt. |
| 01:15.06 | madradrone | Stevie: ah, i just went the other way recently |
| 01:15.18 | Wyzard | Stevie: XFS is nice, but be aware that unlike reiserfs, you can't shrink an XFS filesystem -- so if you're using LVM or something, that can be an annoyance |
| 01:15.23 | abrotman | JMTeal: i have that effect :) |
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| 01:15.39 | Erpo | Evolution hangs every time I try to open it. In the terminal, it prints "adding hook target 'source'" followed by a blank line, followed by "(evolution:4406): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_gc_set_foreground: assertion `GDK_IS_GC (gc)' failed" followed by "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x089fd5b8 ***". Any ideas? |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | affect |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | whatever |
| 01:15.50 | Wyzard | Stevie: Also, when I last used XFS (a few years ago), it had problems with recently-modified files getting corrupted if the system was shut down abruptly (power failure, etc.) |
| 01:15.58 | JMTeal | abrotman... you were actually right the first time. |
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| 01:16.03 | abrotman | Erpo: G_SLICE=always-malloc evolution |
| 01:16.10 | madradrone | Stevie: the shrinking issue plus the issue that XFS apparently caches stuff and if there's a crash the cache contents get lost. i've had some crashes with corrupted data. cannot attribute it 100% to xfs though |
| 01:16.12 | himmelstrutten | could anyone recommend thunderbird? or should I stick to kmail/evolution? |
| 01:16.17 | abrotman | JMTeal: you're right .. it's getting late :) |
| 01:16.18 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: ah, ok, thanks for clearing up the aptitude stuff, i'll give it a try next time i install sarge |
| 01:16.23 | ceplma | grendelson: (sorry for flood) chelcicky:~$ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-help-cs |
| 01:16.23 | ceplma | openoffice.org-help-cs: |
| 01:16.23 | ceplma | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.23 | ceplma | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.23 | ceplma | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.23 | ceplma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:16.32 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: may as well give it a try now... ;-) |
| 01:16.34 | JMTeal | abrotman .. when you affect, it creates an effect... |
| 01:16.34 | metaperl | i'm compiling something that needs gcc-3.3 under Debian/testing. Can I (a) install gcc 3.3 and (b) build something using it even though gcc4 is installed? |
| 01:16.36 | JMTeal | :) |
| 01:16.39 | Erpo | abrotman: Evolution no longer hangs. Why did that work? |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | JMTeal: i know ... |
| 01:16.43 | chealer | himmelstrutten: it's hard to say. somebody can recommend it if you want :) |
| 01:16.45 | Stevie | madradrone: that sounds like writeback caching |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | Erpo: i don't remember the explaination .. but if you google that .. you could probably find it |
| 01:17.01 | Wyzard | madradrone: I can attribute it to XFS for certain -- I would se files' contents replaced completely with nulls after a crash with XFS, and I've never seen that happen on any other filesystem ever |
| 01:17.03 | chealer | metaperl: (a) yes (b) yes |
| 01:17.05 | dondelelcaro | metaperl: yes, and yes; call make CC=gcc-3.3 or similar |
| 01:17.05 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 01:17.12 | Erpo | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | Erpo: if you really want to me to look . i can |
| 01:17.23 | metaperl | chealer: and dondelelcaro thanks |
| 01:17.32 | madradrone | yeah i would have things like my browser history cache file become gibberish after a crash |
| 01:17.45 | abrotman | Erpo: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 01:17.50 | himmelstrutten | ch: hah... someone need to decide for me! I have no real will. |
| 01:17.52 | Stevie | That doesn't sound good |
| 01:17.53 | madradrone | since on reiserfs haven't seen it, but i've not been on it that long |
| 01:18.07 | dondelelcaro | himmelstrutten: well, if we were deciding for you, we'd use mutt. |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | elmo! |
| 01:18.30 | dondelelcaro | if elmo was deciding for you, you'd use GNUS |
| 01:18.36 | himmelstrutten | dond; that's for prehistoric ppl. |
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| 01:18.44 | Wyzard | Stevie: XFS is a good filesystem, but its "help" page in the kernel config does warn that you should put a UPS on systems that use it |
| 01:18.45 | madradrone | himmelstrutten: mutt kicks ass |
| 01:18.51 | dondelelcaro | himmelstrutten: no, it's not... it's for people who get acres of mail. |
| 01:19.11 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:19.11 | Stevie | okay, so xfs loses data, reiserfs blows up and loses more data |
| 01:19.20 | cureless | mutt all the way! |
| 01:19.24 | himmelstrutten | madr: I believe you. but it isn't mad sexy with its graphics. |
| 01:19.28 | Wyzard | Stevie: I've never had reliability problems with reiserfs |
| 01:19.31 | madradrone | blows up??? |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | elmo! |
| 01:19.42 | Stevie | !ricerfs |
| 01:19.42 | dpkg | [ricerfs] the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 01:19.48 | vlady | gg |
| 01:19.52 | pipeline | madclicker: ReiserFS has no recovery tools. At all. Reiserfsck is basically "grep" |
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| 01:20.00 | obscuresoul | Azar you didn't understand me. i don't want to mix...for instance, the kernel that comes in the netinst (sarge) is 2.4. of course, there is a newer version of kernel for sarge (2.6) ...so propably there are more recent packages for sarge than those that are offered by the netinst (sarge). that's why i've asked that... |
| 01:20.02 | ceplma | madradrone: I was using mutt for couple of years, but when I switched to kmail I do not know about anything I couldn't do with KMail (reasonable) which I would do with mutt. |
| 01:20.06 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:20.06 | dpkg | [filesystem comparison] http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 01:20.08 | madradrone | Stevie: maybe for development releases of v.4. i highly doubt that applies to v.3 though |
| 01:20.12 | dondelelcaro | himmelstrutten: if you care how it looks as opposed to how it enables you to do the work that you need for it to do, I don't know what to tell you |
| 01:20.13 | pipeline | madclicker: Try running reiser's recovery tool on a ReiserFS that happens to have a ReiserFS image built into it. |
| 01:20.20 | pipeline | err, madradrone, rather |
| 01:20.21 | ceplma | madradrone: and that's the last comment (no flamewar indented) |
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| 01:21.02 | himmelstrutten | dond: inside doesn't count in this community! =) |
| 01:21.04 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: well, besides use a real editor, or not have to use X... |
| 01:21.10 | Erpo | abrotman: I actually just found that page on google. Is this just another case of the glibc people not caring about binary compatibility? |
| 01:21.15 | dondelelcaro | himmelstrutten: hardly... |
| 01:21.17 | madradrone | ceplma: except run it in a remote console via ssh session ;-) |
| 01:21.19 | Azar | obscuresoul: all depends on what you use: my settings are very simple, no kde, no gnome, and aptitude works ok on me. This is the first time I see this discussions, I am googling to find out what is going on |
| 01:21.35 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: that's correct -- I do not do it, but yes, if you need it than stay with mutt |
| 01:21.49 | cureless | madradrone: which brings in itself a lot of other advantages. |
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| 01:22.11 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: well, I have an even more complex setup, so use what you want; I started using gui mail applications and ended up with mutt... so I have experienced the gamut... |
| 01:22.26 | cureless | I must admit that one of the hardest things of leaving mutt behind is leaving vim behind. |
| 01:22.32 | madradrone | i want to write a howto on using mutt with nbsmtp to handle multiple accounts |
| 01:22.34 | cureless | (for me) |
| 01:22.46 | himmelstrutten | ceplma: so you're voting kmail? |
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| 01:22.59 | madradrone | for me that was the biggest pain about setting up mutt. i have like 5 different accounts i send/receive from |
| 01:23.03 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: I mean, I switched from mutt because my configuration was *too complex* for mutt (and lot of bash scripts around) to handle -- in KMail I was able to build something which I am actually able to maintain. |
| 01:23.11 | dondelelcaro | madradrone: better to use offlineimap with mutt |
| 01:23.32 | ceplma | cureless: (about leaving vim) yes that's true -- except that I got like kate lately |
| 01:23.42 | madradrone | dondelelcaro: but none of the mail services i use support imap |
| 01:23.42 | ceplma | himmelstrutten: yes |
| 01:24.04 | abrotman | elmo rules! |
| 01:24.11 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: here it basically goes procmail->maildir->dovecot->(3-4 machines)offlineimap->mutt... |
| 01:24.16 | shogunx | madradrone add a local imap server? |
| 01:24.20 | magyar | anyone using postfix with sasl against courier-authdaemond? |
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| 01:24.26 | himmelstrutten | so since I use kde kmail might be the best choice after all... |
| 01:24.27 | cureless | abrotman: well, do you? |
| 01:24.30 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 01:24.44 | ceplma | himmelstrutten: I would tend to agree. |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | cureless: all my mail systems have pine or mutt .. i don't htink a single one has elmo |
| 01:24.54 | madradrone | now i just have multiple "profiles" that i created with mutt and active them with a hotkey |
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| 01:25.29 | scarynetworkguy | !tickle abrotman |
| 01:25.31 | abrotman | cureless: according to popcon .. 44 people :) |
| 01:25.33 | notx | can someone tell me the path to the locate bin file? |
| 01:25.35 | dondelelcaro | madradrone: you could still use fetchmail or similar to a central account and imap from there if you wanted... |
| 01:25.36 | abrotman | !abuse scarynetworkguy |
| 01:25.37 | dpkg | scarynetworkguy: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
| 01:25.38 | notx | is there a reason why its not working |
| 01:25.40 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: i was just thinking, if aptitude tries to remove software that it hasn't installed (and isn't required by anything) if you installed a .deb wouldn't it suggest removing it? |
| 01:25.41 | cureless | abrotman: lol |
| 01:25.49 | scarynetworkguy | You said elmo!! Not me! |
| 01:26.08 | cureless | notx: if we told you the path you would locate the bin file. which file btw? |
| 01:26.11 | Daveman | abrotman, haha |
| 01:26.14 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: no, those it marks as manually installed. |
| 01:26.21 | shogunx | notx find / -name locate |
| 01:26.43 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: I was not saying, that it is not possible (I had something similar except with anti-spam added to the pipieline), but it got so increasingly complicated (e.g. running anti-spam against Maildir synchronized with isync), that it was almost unmaintaible and errors in my scripts made me to lose mail :-( |
| 01:26.43 | dondelelcaro | Nihilanth: although, you can change that if you want, and it does indicate that they are obsolete or local-only packages. |
| 01:26.48 | madradrone | dondelelcaro: yes. the main issue is sending mail from different accounts though, not receiving. now each of my profiles basically has its own "set sendmail" line which calls nbsmtp with the correct account info |
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| 01:27.05 | cureless | notx: locate is in /usr/bin btw if that's what you meant. |
| 01:27.05 | himmelstrutten | nice discussion folks. as a conclusion we can say that even linux ppl bring jihad on each other for using vim, mutt, kmail, or what the heck. |
| 01:27.09 | Nihilanth | dondelelcaro: heh, i'm good with it marking it as manual |
| 01:27.17 | dondelelcaro | madradrone: ah, right... my outgoing all goes through one setup, but I switch From: based on which folders I'm in. |
| 01:27.21 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: with kmail I was able to set up something similar just with kmail (and procmail run from kmail filter and nail and some other helping programs). |
| 01:27.23 | cureless | himmelstrutten: what do you mean even "linux" people? |
| 01:27.55 | shogunx | dondelelcaro madradrone: i use su $username to accomplish that. |
| 01:28.18 | cureless | got to go, later all |
| 01:28.21 | Azar | wow, nasty, but issues seemed to have been happening around february 2005 - before release of Sarge? |
| 01:28.22 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: here procmail runs centrally, so the complexity really isn't a big deal. [I also keep a backup of every mail as soon as it hits procmail, which gets killed every month, so I can recover if I need to] |
| 01:28.26 | madradrone | dondelelcaro: that can get tricky though. some smtp servers don't like if the account authing on their server is different from that in the envelope From, etc. |
| 01:28.40 | dondelelcaro | madradrone: yeah, I have a central smtp server which I administer. |
| 01:28.42 | himmelstrutten | cureless: something finnish, we're all have the same skin and blood as L. Torvalds! Halleluja! As for that, I'm going to the sauna right about now. |
| 01:28.45 | notx | cureless: i cant execute it |
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| 01:29.07 | cureless | notx: what can't you execute? |
| 01:29.08 | madradrone | dondelelcaro: wish i did. anyone wanna give me free 1U rackspace somewhere? |
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| 01:29.16 | dondelelcaro | madradrone: I use nullmailer with a custom ssh and call sendmail -bt; setup to send mail from the remote machines. so as long as I can ssh in, it's good. |
| 01:29.30 | notx | cureless: locate isnt there |
| 01:29.42 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: if it works for you -- all the best for you! -- I just came to the conclusion that mutt is not MUA -- it just happen to be one piece of the jicso which can evolve into really powerful MUA ;-) (in the best Unix traditions, but sometimes really difficult to maintain). |
| 01:29.44 | Azar | abrotman, so aptitude is still removing packages without reason ? |
| 01:29.49 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:29.52 | cureless | notx: to execute locate, run /usr/bin/locate, then you don't have locate. Got to go, ask around. You might need to install it. Are you using debian btw? |
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| 01:30.07 | abrotman | might need to run updatedb first |
| 01:30.10 | Azar | abrotman, I was googling and reading some comments on aptitude vs apt-get |
| 01:30.22 | madradrone | ceplma: that's why i use mutt/nbsmtp |
| 01:30.35 | dondelelcaro | ceplma: it may not be the best MUA for everyone; but when you're dealing with a ton of mail, it's got a lot of features that most GUI mailers lack... having to read a few thousand messages a day by clicking gets old fast... |
| 01:30.36 | ceplma | madradrone: why? |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | Azar: from everything i can tell .. aptitude is superiour in almost every way |
| 01:30.41 | notx | cureless yes |
| 01:30.55 | madradrone | ceplma: actually, the full MUA would be mutt/fetchmail/procmail/nbsmtp that would equal an app like kmail |
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| 01:31.07 | Azar | abrotman, I believe so too.. |
| 01:31.07 | anarcat | hello |
| 01:31.15 | dondelelcaro | madradrone: and archivemail on top for kicks... ;-) |
| 01:31.37 | shogunx | mboxgrep was always one of my favs. |
| 01:31.47 | ceplma | dondelelcaro: and yes, when I need to go through couple of thousands messages in a folder, I use mutt as well -- but that's not my everyday life (and probably not the life of people who ask questions whether they should want mutt or kmail). |
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| 01:32.10 | Azar | abrotman: I was just amazed at this read, old indeed : http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2005-02/0647.html |
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| 01:32.25 | Xenguy | Azar: do you have any choice URLs on that topic? (apt-get vs. aptitude) |
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| 01:32.40 | Xenguy | Azar: ahh, got that |
| 01:32.40 | sclebo05 | google does |
| 01:32.57 | Azar | Xenguy: that url is old: feb 2005 I guess issues have been fixed on that |
| 01:33.01 | Xenguy | nod |
| 01:33.12 | Azar | personally I never ever had any problems with aptitude |
| 01:33.17 | abrotman | Azar: i think that's crap |
| 01:33.27 | ceplma | the same with me (no problems with aptitude) |
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| 01:33.38 | Azar | abrotman: I think that is an old, already fixed issue |
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| 01:34.20 | Azar | ... and maybe the guy had lots of crap installed not the debian way |
| 01:34.26 | p00f | errr.... why is the Wine-doc in the apt repository for AMD-64-SID and no wine? am I missing something? TIA :) |
| 01:35.03 | anarcat | i tried out the etch beta2 installer, and it's having problems with my thinkpad t22. Xorg is not coming up and is blanking the screen. i need to run the kernel with noacpi. knoppix, ubuntu hoary and breezy have no problems with the machine. any ideas? |
| 01:35.15 | notx | how do I load gnome when I do startx? |
| 01:35.23 | anarcat | i suspect a acpi problem :) |
| 01:35.24 | ceplma | anarcat: switch to kubuntu :-) |
| 01:35.30 | anarcat | ceplma, :P |
| 01:35.37 | anarcat | i would like to stay with debian |
| 01:35.44 | anarcat | but i have the finger on the ubuntu installer |
| 01:35.56 | Xenguy | Azar: hrm, that URL is not exactly an endorsement of aptitude, or why one might consider it "superior in almost every way" :-) |
| 01:35.59 | anarcat | i'm closer to the debian project, so that's why it'd be sad to switch for me |
| 01:35.59 | p00f | Ubuntu is evil |
| 01:36.01 | madradrone | notx: create ~/.xsession with the line in it: gnome-session |
| 01:36.04 | ceplma | anarcat: just curious -- why? (you would like to stay with plain debian) |
| 01:36.10 | notx | thanx |
| 01:36.22 | anarcat | ceplma, it's a philosophical perspective |
| 01:36.36 | ceplma | anarcat: OK |
| 01:36.37 | anarcat | ceplma, i'd rather support and advocate community projects |
| 01:36.44 | amphi | anarcat: what card? the venerable S3 'savage'? |
| 01:36.54 | anarcat | ceplma, than that-rich-guy-sponsored ones :) |
| 01:36.57 | anarcat | amphi, indeed |
| 01:36.58 | madradrone | notx: man xsession |
| 01:37.04 | Azar | Xenguy: I assume the guy who complained wasn't installing his stuff the debian way or he was still using woody... something like that |
| 01:37.08 | ceplma | anarcat: OK, OK, good for you |
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| 01:37.26 | ceplma | (I am still with debian, but my next computer will have probably kubuntu) |
| 01:37.31 | notx | No manual entry for xsession |
| 01:37.39 | Xenguy | Azar: I guess I'm interested in pro-aptitude rants, so I need to scroogle some up |
| 01:37.42 | shogunx | there is nothing wrong with having your hand in the rich guys pocket occasionally though... |
| 01:37.55 | amphi | anarcat: there's a documented bug that causes lockups that was present in my T22; man savage documents a workaround IIRC - dunno if that'll fix your problem, but worth a try perhaps |
| 01:37.56 | p00f | better is it is a rich chick |
| 01:37.59 | anarcat | where should i head for support on this? |
| 01:38.01 | shogunx | heh |
| 01:38.11 | anarcat | amphi, very interesting |
| 01:38.13 | amphi | anarcat: a bug in the card, that is |
| 01:38.13 | Azar | Xenguy: well I only followed the documentation when I upgraded to Sarge and since, I am going more than ok with aptitude |
| 01:38.22 | anarcat | amphi, will look into this for sure |
| 01:38.46 | chealer | anarcat: here or #debian-x/#xorg. in any case you'd want to mention the problematic X driver(s) |
| 01:38.53 | Xenguy | Azar: good to know, I'll switch probably when I encounter compelling reasons to do so (old habits sometimes die hard :-) |
| 01:38.59 | anarcat | chealer, thanks! |
| 01:39.04 | htrp | how do you change gnome theme? |
| 01:39.06 | shogunx | p00f in that case, it would not be a pocket my hand would be aiming for. |
| 01:39.28 | ceplma | OK, guys, have a good night (day, morning, afternoon, or anything else) :-) |
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| 01:39.32 | amphi | anarcat: FWIW, acpi didn't work too well on my T22, but that was with a 2.4 kernel |
| 01:39.36 | p00f | meat pocket LOL |
| 01:39.57 | p00f | sorry |
| 01:40.09 | shogunx | n/p |
| 01:40.21 | anarcat | amphi, you still have a t22? |
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| 01:40.39 | anarcat | should i just skip acpi and stick to apm? (and how should i do that?) |
| 01:40.40 | amphi | anarcat: no, someone gave it a libation of diet coke, of all abominable things |
| 01:40.51 | anarcat | hmmm |
| 01:40.53 | anarcat | tasty |
| 01:40.54 | anarcat | :) |
| 01:41.10 | anarcat | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_video_related_system_lockup |
| 01:41.15 | Azar | anarcat: When it comes to desktop, a lot of people prefer fast release cycle, eye-candy configuration tools, graphical installers and ease of use.. and this is not what Debian is. |
| 01:41.21 | anarcat | amphi, is that the problem you were mentionning? ^^^^ |
| 01:41.27 | anarcat | Azar, oh, i know :) |
| 01:41.32 | p00f | anyone know if WINE works on AMD 64? on the website I see nothing about 64bit version |
| 01:41.32 | amphi | anarcat: thinkwiki has some good info on it |
| 01:41.33 | anarcat | Azar, i run unstable on my workstation :P |
| 01:41.43 | Azar | anarcat: kudos to you |
| 01:41.46 | anarcat | amphi, i digged quite a lot on thinkwiki |
| 01:42.02 | chealer | p00f: ask their channel |
| 01:42.14 | anarcat | Azar, i still think debian could profit from a faster release cycle, and doing a release this summer would help the debian project a lot |
| 01:42.18 | amphi | anarcat: you could have just done man savage, from which thinkwiki appears to be quoting |
| 01:42.24 | anarcat | amphi, hmmm |
| 01:42.27 | anarcat | sorry :/ |
| 01:42.33 | amphi | anarcat: no worries |
| 01:42.34 | p00f | they told me to come to my distro and beg for help. |
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| 01:42.52 | Azar | anarcat: I disagree: I prefer a solid, stable system even at the cost of being a bit "outdated" |
| 01:43.13 | chealer | p00f: they shouldn't if your question you asked them is distro-agnostic like the one you asked here |
| 01:43.18 | Azar | anarcat: I guess that is why ubuntu came out: to satisfy those in a hurry |
| 01:43.21 | shogunx | Azar i think i still have Potato running on something around here... |
| 01:43.33 | pipeline | shogunx: That's not stable, that's dangerous :\ |
| 01:43.34 | p00f | Ok, I will ask again, perhaps i just got a troll, |
| 01:43.36 | Azar | shogunx: I still have Woody on a spare box |
| 01:43.40 | amphi | anarcat: the problem I had was the '2d' one refered to on that thinkwiki page |
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| 01:43.58 | _Atomo64_ | hey.... what can I do if when I try to print something my printer prints it as a ps (postscript)? |
| 01:44.03 | shogunx | pipeline its just an xterminal |
| 01:44.25 | chealer | Azar: this is a Debian support channel. if you feel like starting trollish discussion, please prefer #debian-offtopic |
| 01:44.37 | Azar | I like Debian the way it is: quote: Open-Source philosophy, non-commercial project, strong community, huge selection of packages and supported architectures, one of the best package management, excellent documentation, extremely stable and well-tested releases, modular, fast. |
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| 01:45.00 | anarcat | amphi, the thing is that the beta2 is xorg |
| 01:45.02 | chealer | Azar: that's great content for your blog |
| 01:45.09 | Azar | chealer: I am sorry I never intended to troll about Debian in a #debian channel |
| 01:45.17 | anarcat | amphi, so i suspect those xfree things are not necessarly up to date |
| 01:45.20 | chealer | Azar: if you say so |
| 01:45.27 | amphi | anarcat: the bug is a hw bug |
| 01:45.28 | anarcat | Azar, yep, we should keep that for another time ;) |
| 01:45.32 | shogunx | chealer maybe we should add #troll ? |
| 01:45.32 | anarcat | amphi, interesting |
| 01:45.36 | JMTeal | abrotman : so far so good... thanks...! |
| 01:45.46 | billybob | hey guys, i've been trying to dual boot winxp and debian through grub but now when i power on my computer i just get "GRUB loading, please wait...\n error 17 |
| 01:45.46 | anarcat | #debian-troll? :) |
| 01:45.52 | chealer | shogunx: oh, it wasn't supposed to be a comprehensive list :) |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | JMTeal: see if it keeps up :) |
| 01:45.53 | billybob | any ideas? |
| 01:46.37 | amphi | anarcat: which the driver has an option to workaround, at the expense of a little performance; 'Option "ShadowStatus" "boolean"' in man savage |
| 01:46.52 | JMTeal | abrotman : be back if it doesn't... thanks again... |
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| 01:47.14 | Xenguy | Azar: this seems to sum things up fairly well: http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/2005/08/19/aptitude/ |
| 01:47.44 | anarcat | amphi, yep, reading that... |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | billybob: google knows that answer iirc |
| 01:47.57 | amphi | anarcat: it appears that if DRI is enabled, that is on by default - I never used DRI on mine |
| 01:48.01 | Xenguy | Azar: the only reference I don't really understand in the article is the following quote: "The only downside to aptitude is that, unlike apt-get, it does not have Super Cow Powers." Huh? |
| 01:48.10 | anarcat | the bug really is weird |
| 01:48.18 | anarcat | i boot... everything ok |
| 01:48.20 | anarcat | until X starts |
| 01:48.22 | dvs | !moo |
| 01:48.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:48.25 | billybob | abrotman: for once i havn't found anything useful on google |
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| 01:48.37 | anarcat | then the screen goes blank |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | billybob: no way |
| 01:49.06 | Xenguy | dvs: ahhhh 8-) |
| 01:49.11 | amphi | anarcat: anything in the xorg log? |
| 01:49.19 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=grub+error+17&btnG=Google+Search |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | i see tons |
| 01:49.30 | billybob | abrotman: anger and hate may be clouding my thoughts |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | billybob: no kidding |
| 01:49.43 | amphi | anarcat: that's not what I got - X would run, but lock hard sometimes |
| 01:50.05 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:50.07 | anarcat | amphi, not much |
| 01:50.10 | Xenguy | billybob: <emporor's voice> Good... GOOD! </emporor's voice> |
| 01:50.13 | anarcat | amphi, it looks everything is a+ |
| 01:50.25 | anarcat | amphi, the logs even says it enables DRI and all |
| 01:50.40 | anarcat | tryin the shadowstatus workaround |
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| 01:51.13 | Azar | Xenguy: thanks for the article, it seems indeed is right from the date when Sarge was released. Xenguy and that quote makes me think about "Super Cow": super-cleaning powers maybe |
| 01:51.13 | amphi | anarcat: that's on by default if you use DRI, it seems - perhaps try without DRI |
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| 01:51.27 | billybob | but theres nothing wrong with my damn menu.lst! |
| 01:51.31 | billybob | anger and hatE!! |
| 01:51.48 | p00f | OOooooo Cool! you guys have qemu in the 64 bit apt repository! Thanks :) |
| 01:52.04 | anarcat | ... no luck |
| 01:52.22 | anarcat | good thing i fired that shutdown -r +1 in the background ;) |
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| 01:52.50 | ice_1963 | what should i install blackbox or gnome ? |
| 01:52.56 | grendelson | ceplma: Are you running testing? I searched apt-cache , aptitude search packages.debian. I cant find the openoffice.org-help-en package or any -help package:-) |
| 01:52.57 | p00f | blackbox |
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| 01:53.12 | p00f | enlightenment/rox-filer |
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| 01:53.24 | Xenguy | Azar: type this: apt-get moo |
| 01:53.31 | shogunx | p00f E17 is quite nice. |
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| 01:53.38 | anarcat | p00f, rox! |
| 01:53.45 | p00f | yea, i am enjoying it :) |
| 01:53.50 | Azar | damn I never tried aptitude's search.. it seems really good |
| 01:53.54 | navaburo | Hello, I would like to know what library(s) are useful for programming graphics in linux. I am currently using svgalib and would like to find a better alternative. My applications are games, simulations, an mathmatical/artistic demonstrations to be used as demos at conferences, etc. I ask this in the debian channel because I want to ensure the portability of my apps. Thanks alot. |
| 01:54.02 | htrp | how do you install GTK 2.* Theme? |
| 01:54.06 | Xenguy | Azar: ncurses interface you mean? |
| 01:54.52 | p00f | <htrp> in your home folder you have 2 hiden folders... GTK and GTK2... place the new theme in the theme folder inside the one you need |
| 01:54.55 | Azar | Xenguy: do not know.. never tried |
| 01:55.13 | billybob | is lilo easier? |
| 01:55.18 | billybob | than grub? |
| 01:55.19 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:55.23 | htrp | ic |
| 01:55.25 | htrp | ill try that |
| 01:55.38 | Azar | oh nice, very nice |
| 01:55.39 | p00f | no , grub is easyer than liloIMHO |
| 01:55.45 | _Atomo64_ | hey.... what can I do if when I try to print something my printer prints it as a ps (postscript)? |
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| 01:55.56 | billybob | but its dead! |
| 01:56.12 | cshaman | hello everyone |
| 01:56.18 | amphi | anarcat: magic sysrq is our friend ;) |
| 01:56.21 | cshaman | do any of you have experience with man2html? |
| 01:56.40 | htrp | p00f, i don't see any GTK folder |
| 01:56.46 | anarcat | amphi, magic sysrq? |
| 01:57.17 | anarcat | btw, the shutdown failed with weird beeps |
| 01:57.17 | anarcat | of course, with no visual feedback, it's kinda hard to figure out wtf is going on :) |
| 01:58.07 | anarcat | now would you look at that |
| 01:58.08 | anarcat | it works |
| 01:58.10 | anarcat | lovely |
| 01:58.13 | sched | panthera, RUT? |
| 01:58.14 | anarcat | hum |
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| 01:58.23 | amphi | anarcat: alt-sysrq-k to kill everything on a VT, alt-sysrq-s to sync, alt-sysrq-u to remount all partitions ro, alt-sysrq-b to reboot |
| 01:58.38 | amphi | anarcat: what worked? |
| 01:59.34 | anarcat | well, x starts without a hang, when i comment out Load DRI |
| 02:00.16 | anarcat | wow! |
| 02:00.24 | anarcat | didn't know about this sysrq magic |
| 02:00.27 | amphi | anarcat: there you go - I don't expect DRI is going to do that much for you on the dread 'savage' anyway |
| 02:00.42 | anarcat | amphi, is this thinkpad's or debian's? |
| 02:01.00 | amphi | anarcat: magic sysrq? the linx kernel |
| 02:01.21 | anarcat | pretty neat stuff |
| 02:01.24 | _Atomo64_ | can somebody help me please??? |
| 02:01.46 | fisher | magic sysrq? the linx kernel |
| 02:02.01 | amphi | anarcat: you want to make sure /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq contains '1' |
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| 02:02.11 | anarcat | amphi, ya it works |
| 02:02.20 | anarcat | _Atomo64_, not like this |
| 02:02.20 | mo1991 | can someone help me to get grub to boot an extended partition |
| 02:02.40 | _Atomo64_ | anarcat? |
| 02:02.40 | cshaman | how does man2html take its input? i attempted to pipe the output of 'man' to 'man2html' but no dice |
| 02:02.41 | amphi | anarcat: it's very useful - a lifesaver when I was mucking about with svgalib ;) |
| 02:02.52 | anarcat | amphi, definitly |
| 02:02.58 | anarcat | so k, s, u, b... |
| 02:03.02 | anarcat | gotta remember that |
| 02:04.12 | amphi | anarcat: k should get you back to a getty from a hung X, with any luck, in which case the others are unnecessary; I don't know if sync is necessary, really, but u before b ;) |
| 02:04.21 | mo1991 | or to load it with fstab |
| 02:04.31 | anarcat | amphi, yup |
| 02:04.49 | ice_1963 | quit |
| 02:05.07 | abrotman | cshaman: man man2html :) |
| 02:05.46 | anarcat | amphi, k screws up the terminal here |
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| 02:06.53 | mo1991 | kernel /boot/vm124 rw root=/dev/discs/disc0/part5 vga=0x301 console=/dev/vc/4 CONSOLE=/dev/vc/4 |
| 02:06.55 | cshaman | abrotman: i read through the manpage but couldn't understand what exactly to do |
| 02:07.03 | mo1991 | this is the boot command above that does not work with grub |
| 02:07.11 | mo1991 | what do I need to change to get this to work |
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| 02:07.26 | mo1991 | if I install the grub bootloader from that partition it dow work |
| 02:07.29 | abrotman | cshaman: are you going to make me install it ? |
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| 02:08.17 | abrotman | cshaman: i think the man page spels it out pretty well |
| 02:08.27 | htrp | how do i install GTK? |
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| 02:08.33 | grendelson | openoffice.org-help-en-us <-- this appears to be the name I keep coming across to install oohelp files, but I cant seem to locate it with aptitude search? |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | apt-cache search libgtk |
| 02:09.32 | abrotman | cshaman: it wants you to feed it the actual man file AFAICT |
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| 02:10.43 | _Atomo64_ | hell... does anybody is going to finally help me? or are you just going to kick me? I've tried too many times to ask for help and nobody answers... |
| 02:10.49 | grendelson | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free <-- this is the line in my sources, but I cant seem to find or install the oo help files, am I missing a source? (I thought it was contrib) |
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| 02:12.06 | amphi | anarcat: 'screws up the terminal'? it should just kill everything and then getty respawns |
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| 02:12.10 | shogunx | _Atomo64_ what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 02:13.12 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: I'm trying to get some help, but nobody answers me.,.. even some guys from #kde helped me out while here nobody was answering me |
| 02:13.57 | shogunx | _Atomo64_ i answered you. i will ask one more time. what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 02:13.59 | notx | how do you load x with different resoltutions? |
| 02:14.16 | dvs | shogunx: printer prints raw postscript |
| 02:15.06 | anarcat | amphi, i guess, but here, it gets really ugly |
| 02:15.12 | nse | _Atomo64_: if we are not answering you it is most likely that you're not been comprehensible |
| 02:15.13 | argent | notx: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-$ or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:15.14 | shogunx | not big on printers myslef, but i'll give it the old college try. |
| 02:15.15 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: I'm trying to print some files, but it prints them as postscripts (raw) |
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| 02:15.44 | shogunx | _Atomo64_ what print system? are they ps files you are trying to print? |
| 02:15.46 | _Atomo64_ | nse: but almost somebody could tell me that you are not understanding me |
| 02:16.13 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: I'm trying to print some web pages, or even kword files... |
| 02:16.23 | anarcat | amphi, the colors from x11 splash through the terminal and it gets unreadable |
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| 02:17.07 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: and I'm using a print server, I've the foomatic package, KDE 3.5.1, hmmm, do you need any other info? |
| 02:17.23 | nse | _Atomo64_: there is the right documentation for almost everything that you want to know. if you get the habit of searching it, you are done. |
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| 02:17.49 | unity | hey does have this problem? i do lpr something.ps and sometimes, it comes out vertically offset? like sometimes it's really high up so the top margins are smaller than they should be and the bottom margins are too big? |
| 02:18.00 | anarcat | yep, so here, knoppix with a kernel 2.6.12 and ACPI loads X11 fine, although it's xfree |
| 02:18.03 | shogunx | _Atomo64_ print server... like a fiery hardware print server or the like? not a printer attached to your local machine? |
| 02:18.09 | unity | other times it works fine, and when i print thru kde, it's frequently offset in the other vertical direction |
| 02:18.21 | mario_ | Buenas, hay alquine que hable castellano |
| 02:18.37 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:18.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:18.39 | _Atomo64_ | mario_: entra a #debian-es |
| 02:18.49 | mario_ | OK gracias |
| 02:18.57 | mario_ | Bye |
| 02:19.01 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: it is over ethernet... |
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| 02:19.54 | shogunx | _Atomo64_ what type of box is the print server? os, manufacturer if a commercial one, etc. |
| 02:20.08 | dmacks | What libgnomeprint and libgnomeprintui versions are in gnome2.14? I don't see those pkgs listed in pub/GNOME/platform/2.14/2.14.0/sources as they were for the 2.12/2.12.0 distro... |
| 02:20.48 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 02:20.48 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:21.03 | fisher | !#gnome |
| 02:21.03 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | right .. because i didn't just do that |
| 02:21.15 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: it is an ANSEL 5003 |
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| 02:22.34 | dan2 | shogunx, hey there |
| 02:22.47 | dan2 | I haven't spoken with you in ages |
| 02:22.56 | abrotman | in ages? |
| 02:23.06 | dan2 | abrotman, yes, centuries of years |
| 02:23.08 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: it even comes with a guide of how to install it in linux... but using Red Hat's GUI |
| 02:23.30 | abrotman | i don't recall seeing shogunx in here before a few weeks ago |
| 02:23.47 | dan2 | abrotman, I talked with shogunx somewhere around the first time I started using linux |
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| 02:23.56 | dan2 | we're talking years |
| 02:24.12 | abrotman | like when you were 9? |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:24.23 | dvs | !lart abrotman |
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| 02:24.33 | dan2 | !beat dvs |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | dvs: you dont' understand .. dan2 is just barely older than the Linux kernel :) |
| 02:24.55 | mo1991 | anyone help me to boot an extended partition with grub |
| 02:25.05 | mo1991 | have all other partitions working except the extended one |
| 02:25.15 | mo1991 | linux installation is on the extended partition |
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| 02:25.35 | mo1991 | special final scratch dj software on the extended partition |
| 02:25.56 | mo1991 | also have debian installed and want to be able to set up the stock debian bootloader to boot finalscratch as well |
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| 02:26.19 | shogunx | _Atomo64_ there is a gui app to config that? can you compile that app? |
| 02:26.32 | mo1991 | debian grub overwrote the initial final scratch grub loader - although I copied the same settings into grub it dosn't work |
| 02:26.51 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: no, there's no GUI app, the guide says how to setup the printer in linux... but by using Red Hat |
| 02:27.36 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: http://www.ansel.com.mx/web2004/ftp/lan/printservers/printservers.pdf |
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| 02:28.23 | amphi | anarcat: ah, yes, I remember that - the fb console gets corrupted if you kill X; ISTR that switching to a preëxisting svgalib prog (like zgv) and then to another VT would restore the console |
| 02:28.29 | shogunx | _Atomo64_ ahh, ok. i will look. |
| 02:28.40 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: page 99 |
| 02:29.00 | amphi | anarcat: ISTR that using vesafb worked better than the savage one, but it was a while ago |
| 02:29.21 | anarcat | yep, but just s/savage/vesafb/ in xorg.conf just didn't work |
| 02:29.22 | amphi | anarcat: perhaps there is no savage fb console driver ;) |
| 02:29.34 | anarcat | and that doesn't solve my dri problem |
| 02:29.42 | amphi | anarcat: fb console is nothing to do with xorg |
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| 02:30.02 | amphi | anarcat: what's dri going to do for you on that card? |
| 02:30.05 | anarcat | hmmm... |
| 02:30.11 | anarcat | amphi, i dunno, honestly :) |
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| 02:30.31 | anarcat | hehehe |
| 02:30.38 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: the print server uses dhcp, and it is already setup (the print server itself, since I've also windows in other machines); so... the real thing starts in the step 'e' (page 100) |
| 02:30.41 | anarcat | it's funny, ubuntu actually pulls it off: acpi + dri |
| 02:30.54 | anarcat | except glxgears is slow slow I can't even get a framerate :) |
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| 02:31.11 | anarcat | ok |
| 02:31.13 | anarcat | so that settles it |
| 02:31.16 | anarcat | screw dri |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | ver ? |
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| 02:31.57 | abrotman | anarcat: what video card do you have ? |
| 02:32.23 | anarcat | savage s3 |
| 02:32.27 | RandomTask | i am using debian GNU/Linux testing ... after an update i have discovered that evolution is hanging rendering emails in the html widget (or whatever it is) ... this is really causing some problems for me ... can someone help me recover ... I know the problem has to do with libgtkhtml3.9.1-1.1 not being on my system or available from apt-get ... |
| 02:32.32 | anarcat | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/S3_Savage_IX8 |
| 02:32.34 | abrotman | anarcat: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 02:32.46 | anarcat | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T22 |
| 02:33.03 | amphi | anarcat: I also STR that sleeping/hibernating the machine while in X leads to delay and disappointment; the notebios suspend-to-disk worked fine, even though it's a lot slower than swsusp |
| 02:33.15 | htrp | Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libpixmap.so", <<<< anyone had this problem before? |
| 02:33.16 | sherdog | I am in a bit of a pickle. I have chosen the wrong graphic card for my Imac. And now I can only use text mode. How do I reconfigure? |
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| 02:33.28 | anarcat | S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev. 13) |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | !drxx sherdog |
| 02:33.32 | dpkg | sherdog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:33.43 | abrotman | anarcat: are you sure the savage driver supports that ? |
| 02:33.48 | unity | htrp: i get billion of warning all the time running firefox and thunderbird |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | anarcat: xfree or xorg ? |
| 02:33.51 | amphi | anarcat: mmm, tasty macrovision goodness ;) |
| 02:33.55 | gpm | hey, anyone know what packages i need to use the pretty new gtk2 themes (with cairo) so i can have animated progress bars and other useless eye candy? (i'm serious) |
| 02:34.01 | anarcat | abrotman, no, i'm not, but thinkwiki seems to say so |
| 02:34.05 | anarcat | amphi, macrovision? |
| 02:34.11 | anarcat | abrotman, xorg, debian-install beta2 |
| 02:34.17 | anarcat | (so etch) |
| 02:34.28 | sherdog | I have no idea what that just meant. :) |
| 02:34.34 | htrp | Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libpixmap.so", <<<< anyone knows how to fix this? |
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| 02:34.48 | abrotman | anarcat: what's the full line from lspci ? |
| 02:34.51 | amphi | anarcat: some crap to prevent vcrs recording dvds via the s-video out or some such pigopolistish thing |
| 02:34.59 | anarcat | abrotman, hold on |
| 02:35.09 | anarcat | amphi, wheepee... |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | anarcat: (though you might have to match it to lspci -n_ |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | ) |
| 02:35.23 | anarcat | amphi, nevermind decss :) |
| 02:36.00 | amphi | anarcat: there is a firmware 'upgrade' to make the dvd drive on the T22 region free |
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| 02:36.22 | sherdog | ahh got it :) |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | yinzer! |
| 02:36.26 | anarcat | amphi, i seem to recall |
| 02:36.38 | shogunx | _Atomo64_ looking... momentito. |
| 02:36.46 | amphi | anarcat: ? |
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| 02:36.54 | tangerine | <- anarcat on his laptop |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 02:36.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 02:37.18 | tangerine | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 13) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 02:37.20 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: ok, and btw... spanish, english or french... doesn't matters, I speak all of them :) |
| 02:37.24 | tangerine | that's the full line |
| 02:37.34 | cshaman | where can i find the actual manpage files for use with man2html |
| 02:37.36 | abrotman | tangerine: can you match that to lspci -n ? |
| 02:37.48 | RandomTask | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.50 | tangerine | now the pci id is: 0300: 5333:8c12 |
| 02:37.58 | anarcat | abrotman, is that what you wantedÉ |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | Savage/IX |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | (8c12 and 8c13) (2D, 3D, Dualhead) |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | so says x.org |
| 02:38.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:38.06 | anarcat | cool |
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| 02:38.38 | anarcat | abrotman, what can i do with this info now? |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | anarcat: and when you choose savage .. you get no DRI ? |
| 02:39.02 | anarcat | abrotman, oooh... i disabled dri voluntarly |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | oooh |
| 02:39.12 | anarcat | abrotman, i've been debugging this problem for a while: |
| 02:39.13 | amphi | anarcat: somewhat voluntarily ;) |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | MMMM .. wax |
| 02:39.33 | anarcat | it's the only way to have xorg start witouth hanging the machine |
| 02:39.37 | anarcat | amphi, right :) |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | anarcat: do the logs say why it hangs ? |
| 02:39.59 | enveezee | is there any way to search within the cabinet files on a windows cd from debian to try restore some lost/corrupted files on an adjacent drive? I found cabextract but I would have to script complete extraction of all cabs before I could search and repair.. I was wondering if there was a better option? |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | enveezee: not that i'm aware .. |
| 02:40.37 | anarcat | abrotman, the logs don't say much i can parse... |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | enveezee: though .. if you google .. you should be able to find a cab list |
| 02:40.42 | anarcat | oh |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | anarcat: and you ov course checked the BTS ? |
| 02:40.49 | anarcat | there's something though, lemme dig back... |
| 02:41.00 | anarcat | abrotman, of course not :/ |
| 02:41.13 | anarcat | abrotman, didn't quite know where to look honestly |
| 02:41.16 | anarcat | xorg-server? |
| 02:41.21 | anarcat | the kernel? |
| 02:41.31 | anarcat | acpi seemed to be the culprit at some point... |
| 02:41.42 | enveezee | abrotman: :-/ would be easier to create a list file of errors from windows and have a script parse and extract the files and repair I guess.. maybe cabextract has a list option I can work in there and not need several hundred megs to keep extracting |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | anarcat: X log maybe? |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | enveezee: you could just reinstall :) |
| 02:42.23 | anarcat | i looked into it, but when it hangs, the logs after just look as if everything was fine |
| 02:42.25 | anarcat | (iirc) |
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| 02:44.03 | enveezee | abrotman: na the floppy is bad track 0 or something and the cd doesnt seem to be bootable.. its fixable something along the lines of a cabextract -l *.CAB should allow me to generate a searchable index |
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| 02:44.26 | abrotman | enveezee: wtf win32 is this ? |
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| 02:44.43 | anarcat | abrotman, http://anarcat.koumbit.org/files/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:44.50 | enveezee | abrotman: I will reboot to windows and get the errors if I dont find them in a log on the partition and then have a script generate the index and restore said files from the right cabinets to their desired locations. |
| 02:44.56 | enveezee | abrotman: its win98se |
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| 02:45.44 | RandomTask | can someone tell me how long it takes a fixed bug in unstable/sid to get into testing? |
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| 02:46.01 | abrotman | anarcat: that's with DRI disabled |
| 02:46.03 | anarcat | abrotman, that's a "nice" run |
| 02:46.06 | anarcat | right, sorry |
| 02:46.23 | Daedalus_ | enveezee: why on earth can't you just backup the files you want to save and re-install the OS? |
| 02:46.32 | litage | when you run ``echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'' to enable packet forwarding, what exactly does that mean? |
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| 02:46.50 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: anything? |
| 02:47.15 | Daedalus_ | litage: it enables packet forwarding by setting a flag in the running OS. |
| 02:47.57 | enveezee | Daedalus_: because the damn floppy that is suppose to boot is corrupted and the cd doesnt boot |
| 02:48.00 | litage | Daedalus_: "packet forwarding" in the sense that if boxA [mistakenly?] receives a packet destined for boxB, boxA will forward the packet to boxB? |
| 02:48.13 | Daedalus_ | litage: more specifically, it writes a 1 to the "file" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward which is actually a front for the ip forwarding internals of the kernel |
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| 02:48.43 | abrotman | RandomTask: depends .. 2-10 days hopefully |
| 02:48.52 | RandomTask | awesome |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | RandomTask: what package is it ? |
| 02:49.15 | RandomTask | i recieved a mortgage approval in my email :-) and evolution is hanging ... |
| 02:49.20 | RandomTask | its a fixed bug |
| 02:49.25 | RandomTask | thankfully |
| 02:49.30 | RandomTask | and i found a workaround |
| 02:49.36 | RandomTask | thunderbird :-) |
| 02:49.40 | abrotman | RandomTask: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 02:50.11 | Daedalus_ | litage: that packets recieved on interface A on subnet 1 that seem destined for subnet 2 get sent to interface B for trasnmittal. Basically, it allows traffic to cross over two network cards. This is not seamless, and will require mucking about with iptables, but it's the beginning |
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| 02:50.20 | Stevie | isn't the status of unstable 'permanently broken'? |
| 02:50.40 | RandomTask | yeah looks about what i am seeing |
| 02:51.05 | Daedalus_ | enveezee: so what you really need is a dos boot floppy with CDROM support. There are many out there for download. |
| 02:51.07 | RandomTask | but on testing |
| 02:51.11 | anarcat | abrotman, generating a new logfile :) |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | RandomTask: yes .. same issue in testing |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | anarcat: crashy! |
| 02:52.00 | anarcat | so there, it crashed |
| 02:52.07 | RandomTask | thanks :-) i am a little peeved ... got the flu and didn't feel like farting around ... don't know why i upgraded :-) |
| 02:52.08 | anarcat | alt-sysrq-b doesn't do anything |
| 02:52.27 | RandomTask | one more question |
| 02:52.33 | Fetal | I am about to try and build kernel 2.6.8-16. I downloaded this from linus himself! Anyway, what happens if I goto reboot after I build it and I cant boot? |
| 02:52.53 | enveezee | Daedalus_: if I had a damn floppy I would have made one from c:\windows\command\ebd\ already |
| 02:52.55 | Fetal | I have a "recovery" kernel in my boot loader |
| 02:53.01 | RandomTask | if i am running testing and install a "unstable" pkg ... when the fix is ported to testing ... will my package get updated appropriatly back to test? |
| 02:53.06 | Fetal | I can still boot into that right? |
| 02:53.22 | Daedalus_ | enveezee: ok. do you have a cd burner? |
| 02:53.34 | RandomTask | you can have several kernels installed |
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| 02:53.52 | RandomTask | you just need to make sure you don't blow away working ones until you test |
| 02:54.15 | Fetal | well I dont know how to do that so as long as I stick to my guikde i should be ok right? |
| 02:54.40 | Fetal | err i mean i should still have a back up kernel |
| 02:54.44 | RandomTask | i wish i had my notes ... i'll look for them |
| 02:54.58 | enveezee | Daedalus_: nope I am writing a script to create a cabinet.idx that can be search and replace corrupted files just like microsoft system file checker does from linux using md5sum |
| 02:54.59 | RandomTask | yeah you can make your bootloader have several images normally |
| 02:55.02 | _Atomo64_ | shogunx: hey.-.. I've to go... cya and tnxs |
| 02:55.08 | RandomTask | you can select which one to use |
| 02:55.24 | RandomTask | i forget the details ... but normally some conf files in your /boot dur |
| 02:55.27 | RandomTask | take a peek |
| 02:55.28 | Fetal | i should figure out how to configure grub before i do this then shouldnt i? |
| 02:55.32 | RandomTask | then google maybe |
| 02:55.43 | RandomTask | oh yeah! |
| 02:55.50 | RandomTask | but lotts of examples |
| 02:56.02 | Fetal | aye |
| 02:56.03 | RandomTask | sorry i don't have exact details |
| 02:56.07 | Fetal | this channel is my mfing hero |
| 02:56.16 | RandomTask | i did this myself 6 months ago |
| 02:56.21 | Fetal | well i googled and know how to build |
| 02:56.25 | Fetal | thats not the problem |
| 02:56.29 | RandomTask | building is safe |
| 02:56.30 | Fetal | well not yet |
| 02:56.35 | RandomTask | when you do a make install |
| 02:56.44 | anarcat | abrotman, http://anarcat.koumbit.org/files/Xorg-withdri.0.log |
| 02:56.51 | RandomTask | i believe it should do the grub stuff safely if memory serves me right |
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| 02:56.57 | zooy0rk | i am trying to do a make config for 2.6.16 and I am getting errors about "undefined reference to __ctype_tolower" and such. i am using gcc 4.0.3 and libc 2.3.6.. i am pretty sure this is a horrible combination but does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 02:56.58 | anarcat | abrotman, there are [junkers] sections i've never seen before, a bit weird |
| 02:56.59 | litage | thanks Daedalus_ |
| 02:57.01 | sherdog | cmd for starting x after reconfig? |
| 02:57.09 | RandomTask | but please don't take my word ... i'll shut up now :-) |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | anarcat: it looks exactly the same :) |
| 02:57.20 | Fetal | ha! real quick i got 1 more |
| 02:57.41 | anarcat | abrotman, no-no |
| 02:57.46 | Fetal | err wait |
| 02:57.48 | amphi | anarcat: just say 'retrome DRI!' and be done with it ;) |
| 02:57.49 | Fetal | i found my answer |
| 02:57.55 | Fetal | thanks for the help again |
| 02:57.57 | RandomTask | cool |
| 02:58.02 | RandomTask | didn't help much |
| 02:58.07 | anarcat | amphi, retrome DRI? |
| 02:58.08 | RandomTask | just "generalized" |
| 02:58.12 | RandomTask | :-) |
| 02:58.13 | litage | Daedalus_: if enabling ip forwarding is used for allowing traffic to cross over two network cards, why do apps such as arpspoof require ip forwarding enabled? |
| 02:58.15 | Fetal | well you reassured me that i wont have to reinstall |
| 02:58.17 | anarcat | (II) SAVAGE(0): [DRI] installation complete |
| 02:58.17 | anarcat | (II) SAVAGE(0): [junkers]pSAVAGEDRIServer: |
| 02:58.19 | anarcat | ... |
| 02:58.22 | protoloco | chmod +t /home/group/ what is +t ? |
| 02:58.28 | RandomTask | you shouldn't have to |
| 02:58.38 | RandomTask | just be very careful in /boot |
| 02:58.41 | anarcat | so anyways |
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| 02:58.45 | anarcat | dri's screwed |
| 02:58.46 | cafuego | +t is sticky |
| 02:58.48 | anarcat | screw dri |
| 02:58.49 | anarcat | ;) |
| 02:58.51 | Fetal | god i hope not, when i was trying to do this a couple years back i ended up giving up |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | anarcat: duno .. all seems fine to me |
| 02:59.04 | cafuego | it means you cannot delete someone else's files even if you have write access on the dir they're in |
| 02:59.06 | Fetal | went back to windows |
| 02:59.36 | anarcat | abrotman, yep, that's my point: it's fine. the problem is the freeze. ;) |
| 02:59.43 | anarcat | abrotman, i've mostly given up on dri |
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| 02:59.49 | abrotman | anarcat: if you have more time one day .. ask #xorg or #dri |
| 03:00.02 | anarcat | knoppix doesn't enable it, ubuntu enables it and is slow as hell |
| 03:00.08 | anarcat | abrotman, thank you very much! |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | anarcat: that was a lot of work for nothing :) |
| 03:00.26 | anarcat | abrotman, amphi: your support is appreciated, thank you |
| 03:00.34 | Daveman | :p |
| 03:00.35 | anarcat | abrotman, i know :) |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | anarcat: some days gravity is here .. he knows how to debug some of the stuff .. but not too much DRI |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 03:01.00 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 03:01.03 | abrotman | cafuego: that ? :) |
| 03:01.11 | Daveman | abrotman, whee, I get to tinker with my xconf tomorrow I suppose :P |
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| 03:01.20 | abrotman | Daveman: keep it in your pants! |
| 03:01.31 | Daveman | :o |
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| 03:01.36 | buu | Daveman: AGAIN?! |
| 03:01.39 | Daveman | abrotman, don't worry, I fully intend to. |
| 03:01.41 | Daveman | BUU! |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:01.46 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Stop slacking and get a job you lazy bum! |
| 03:01.47 | Daveman | YOU LIVE!? |
| 03:01.51 | buu | I always live. |
| 03:01.55 | Daveman | your raid didn't exploded on yous? |
| 03:01.56 | buu | Just rarely in this HELL HOLE |
| 03:01.56 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:01.58 | buu | Not yet |
| 03:02.00 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: noone loves me |
| 03:02.01 | Daveman | =] |
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| 03:02.07 | buu | Daveman: Mplayer hardlocks my other box about once a day though |
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| 03:02.10 | buu | Getting.. tiring. |
| 03:02.11 | Daveman | :X |
| 03:02.14 | Daveman | buu: lame |
| 03:02.15 | sherdog | cmd for shh is "apt-get shh" right? |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | shh ? or ssh ? |
| 03:02.31 | Daveman | at least I can cause a kernel panic by calling a harmless command with hilarious results. |
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| 03:02.45 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 03:02.45 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 03:02.51 | sherdog | abrotman, hehe perhaps thats the problem |
| 03:02.51 | Daveman | :) |
| 03:03.16 | Daveman | oh noes :( |
| 03:03.27 | Daveman | meh, it was worth a try :p |
| 03:03.30 | buu | Fear! |
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| 03:03.36 | abrotman | sherdog: apt-get install ssh ? |
| 03:03.39 | Fetal | HA! wrong window |
| 03:03.41 | Fetal | sry |
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| 03:03.52 | sherdog | abrotman, ty.. |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | buu: they make medicine for that |
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| 03:04.18 | buu | abrotman: Really?! What does it do? |
| 03:04.53 | abrotman | buu: keeps you from overflowing :) |
| 03:05.14 | buu | abrotman: Are you insinuating something?! |
| 03:05.30 | Daveman | fucksies |
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| 03:06.06 | Daveman | why can't apps just not include some automaretarded diskparting craputil... just friggin' open a dd cli |
| 03:06.17 | abrotman | buu: you overflowed .. not me! |
| 03:06.26 | buu | abrotman: SEXUAL HARASSMENT |
| 03:06.34 | Daveman | :O |
| 03:06.37 | abrotman | buu: uhm .. that was sexual ? |
| 03:06.54 | buu | Daveman was my witness! HE saw everything! |
| 03:07.26 | Daveman | !revive abrotman |
| 03:07.29 | Daveman | :P |
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| 03:07.35 | abrotman | well that failed :) |
| 03:07.44 | Daveman | aww, too bad |
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| 03:09.06 | sandra | hi |
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| 03:10.51 | j0rd | quick package management question. Let say i want to install Apache::DBI version 1 but in apt they only have Version 0.91. How can i install version 1 on my own...and make apt think that Apache::DBI package is already installed |
| 03:11.12 | j0rd | i don't want it to install when another package needs it for dependancies |
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| 03:11.36 | j0rd | and if anything breaks because of dependancies...it's my fault. |
| 03:11.43 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: can i resort my albums now? |
| 03:11.54 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Sure. |
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| 03:12.11 | protoloco | what is a good bench mark ?? |
| 03:12.33 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: build the debian package of libapache-dpi-perl yourself, and install it |
| 03:12.40 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i choose .. levels of separation from neil young! |
| 03:12.53 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
| 03:12.57 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: any simpler way with out having to learn how to build the package? |
| 03:12.57 | abrotman | that'd be fun :) |
| 03:13.12 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: i just want to fool debian into thinking it's already installed |
| 03:13.29 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's either that .. or by number of curse words per album! |
| 03:13.37 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: you can use equivs, but that requires building a package also. |
| 03:13.51 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: you're better off just building the 0.999 package. |
| 03:14.07 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: i've done "package pinning" before from unstable...but that was dependancy hell with apt |
| 03:14.09 | dondelelcaro | or 0.9901, or whatever it is that is current now. |
| 03:14.20 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: pinning is totally different |
| 03:14.26 | j0rd | ya |
| 03:14.28 | j0rd | i knw |
| 03:14.32 | j0rd | i didn't like that |
| 03:14.36 | j0rd | i ran into problems with it |
| 03:14.38 | j0rd | not fun |
| 03:14.39 | sherdog | I've been searching google, but without luck. Is there a program for showing computer specs for debian? |
| 03:14.39 | j0rd | don't do again |
| 03:14.52 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: know a simple HOWTO for package building? |
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| 03:15.16 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: anyway, why exactly do you want that version of Apache::DBI? |
| 03:15.37 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: Apache::DBI version 0.96 and should work under mod_perl 2.0 RC5 and later. See the Changes file for more information. Beware that it has only been tested very lightly. |
| 03:15.52 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: i've got apache2 and apache-dbi is like 0.94 |
| 03:15.55 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: damn you .. now i have to resort! |
| 03:16.07 | scarynetworkguy | Yay! |
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| 03:16.11 | enveezee | is there a decent clipboard in debian that allows clipboard history and you can paste different things? |
| 03:16.17 | abrotman | sherdog: most of that stuff is in /proc/ |
| 03:16.19 | kreg | anyone done a --grow --add to a linear raid? |
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| 03:16.24 | kreg | with mdadm? |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | enveezee: you have complicated needs tonight! |
| 03:16.32 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: there are a few, but this case is rather trivial; dh-make-perl --build --cpan Apache::DBI; |
| 03:16.45 | chealer | enveezee: klipper? |
| 03:16.50 | Daveman | bah I need to rebuild again :\ |
| 03:16.54 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: aptitude install dh-make-perl build-essential fakeroot; if you don't already have it. |
| 03:17.01 | sherdog | abrotman, yeah well cant seem to find any. The thing is, I dont know anything about this imac. Hehe |
| 03:17.25 | abrotman | sherdog: what do you want to konw ? |
| 03:17.48 | sherdog | CPU, amount of ram, videocard etc |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | sherdog: cat /proc/cpuinfo ; cat /proc/meminfo ; lspci | grep -i vga |
| 03:18.24 | Daveman | he |
| 03:18.27 | abrotman | man |
| 03:18.27 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 03:18.29 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: ahh sweet. Thanks |
| 03:18.31 | j0rd | i'll use that a lot |
| 03:18.34 | enveezee | chealer: ah he has that already |
| 03:18.41 | j0rd | dondelelcaro++ |
| 03:18.49 | enveezee | abrotman: this isnt complicated |
| 03:19.04 | sherdog | abrotman, thank u firend, but I dont know what that means yet. I will keep reading. |
| 03:19.15 | sherdog | friend* |
| 03:19.28 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: np |
| 03:19.49 | abrotman | i'm a firend! |
| 03:20.02 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: since you're using perl too, you'll want to get familiar with dh-make-perl, as it's how you should package the few perl modules that debian hasn't packaged... |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | sherdog: take that whoel line .. put it in a terminal .. lots of stuff will spit out |
| 03:20.09 | Stevie | abrotman, you're my best firend ever |
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| 03:20.14 | dondelelcaro | (although, you should often think about whether you actually want to use such a module) |
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| 03:20.26 | sherdog | abrotman, ty! :D |
| 03:20.29 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: ya, that's frigging awesome |
| 03:20.33 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: i had no idea |
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| 03:20.50 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: that's like my linux tip of the year |
| 03:20.54 | abrotman | sherdog: `dmesg | more` is another place to get lots of information |
| 03:20.55 | dondelelcaro | !now you know |
| 03:20.56 | dpkg | And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE! |
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| 03:21.09 | Stevie | haha |
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| 03:22.29 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:22.38 | protoloco | I need a nice Benchmark .. or good one in linux ? |
| 03:22.44 | abrotman | for what?! |
| 03:22.45 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:22.48 | Daveman | Go Joe! |
| 03:22.53 | Kyral | Bogomips :P |
| 03:22.56 | Stevie | well then |
| 03:22.57 | Kyral | *DUCKS* |
| 03:23.04 | Stevie | I forgot the password for my uml |
| 03:23.05 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: the best benchmark is to time whatever it is that you're actually going to use the machine for |
| 03:23.09 | Daveman | hahah oh noes, timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 03:23.11 | Daveman | hahaha take that! |
| 03:23.28 | dondelelcaro | Kyral: that's probably no worse than some other benchmarks... |
| 03:23.39 | protoloco | dondelelcaro, :S but i need a software, program... |
| 03:23.39 | Kyral | dondelelcaro: hence the "*DUCKS!* |
| 03:23.45 | sherdog | 700mhz g4, 384mbram, gforce2mx. Thank u very much for your help. Better get to bed before my girlfriend kills me |
| 03:23.47 | Daveman | Hi dondelelcaro |
| 03:23.48 | sherdog | later all |
| 03:23.49 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: time foo; |
| 03:23.54 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: there's your benchmarker. |
| 03:24.47 | protoloco | dondelelcaro, |
| 03:24.49 | protoloco | :S |
| 03:24.52 | Daveman | I'm thinking of picking up one of the latest latitude notebooks actually... just for convenience... |
| 03:25.15 | chealer | !benchmark |
| 03:25.15 | dpkg | You want to switch to 2.6 right now after you read http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ |
| 03:25.36 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: the point is, basically, that all benchmarks are pretty much useless. Time the machine doing exactly what it is that you're going to have the machine do. |
| 03:25.44 | chealer | dpkg: no, benchmark is $ time foo; |
| 03:25.44 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 03:26.42 | protoloco | dondelelcaro, so, that i will say to my teacher... |
| 03:26.42 | protoloco | ? |
| 03:26.55 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: what is your assignment? |
| 03:27.25 | fbhjr | greets all, my dist-upgrade is getting stopped by bug #360843 ; if I do apt-get -f install it seems to go on with the rest of the upgraded packages. Should I assume everything else is upgraded/fixed except for that manpages-dev issue, and just keep apt-get updating/upgrading? |
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| 03:28.11 | protoloco | dondelelcaro, search two benchmarks in linux, make examples, why is a good benchmark, instal it, how works.. etc.. |
| 03:28.21 | protoloco | results.. |
| 03:28.28 | protoloco | of the benchmarks in the b0x |
| 03:28.41 | bucky | !bugs 360843 |
| 03:28.43 | dpkg | #360843:S[manpages-dev] manpages-dev tries to overwrite files from modutils (create_module.2.gz); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:48:02 UTC |
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| 03:28.55 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: well, apt-cache search benchmark; run them; know that they aren't, and explain why; apt-get source; and read... |
| 03:29.04 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: since it's an assignment, you need to do the work. |
| 03:29.19 | fbhjr | policy serious |
| 03:29.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it's an RC bug |
| 03:29.41 | protoloco | :p |
| 03:29.51 | dondelelcaro | !overwrite |
| 03:29.51 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
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| 03:29.57 | dondelelcaro | fbhjr: see above for how to fix it. |
| 03:30.06 | fbhjr | cool thanks :) |
| 03:30.27 | chealer | fbhjr: # apt-get check; |
| 03:30.35 | fbhjr | that gem of edumacation makes my evening |
| 03:30.40 | fbhjr | :) |
| 03:31.03 | zooy0rk | if i have two copies of a library, one in /lib and one in /usr/lib, how do i tell gcc which one i want it to use? |
| 03:31.19 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: that's just broken |
| 03:31.23 | zooy0rk | i know |
| 03:31.47 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: it's basically whichever of those dirs is listed first in -L |
| 03:31.54 | zooy0rk | hrmm |
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| 03:31.56 | Stevie | [42949423.780000] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 03:31.57 | Stevie | haha |
| 03:32.05 | Stevie | i hit ctrl-d while in init=/bin/sh |
| 03:32.21 | zooy0rk | i tried that but I guess thats not my problem |
| 03:32.45 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:32.52 | zooy0rk | i have undefined references to __ctype_* |
| 03:33.09 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: that generally means that you're not specifying a library you need when you call the linker. |
| 03:33.15 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: what's the linker line? |
| 03:33.26 | zooy0rk | /usr/lib/libc.a has __ctype_*_loc defined and /lib/libc.a just has __ctype_* |
| 03:33.44 | zooy0rk | this is straight out of make config for 2.6.16 |
| 03:34.05 | zooy0rk | but i tried just gcc fixdep.c -o fixdep -L/lib |
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| 03:34.30 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: uh... WTF do you have /lib/libc.a? |
| 03:35.03 | dondelelcaro | that's not the libc that Debian ships |
| 03:35.12 | zooy0rk | ? |
| 03:35.27 | dondelelcaro | we ship /usr/lib/libc.a |
| 03:35.30 | dondelelcaro | not /lib/libc.a |
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| 03:35.36 | dondelelcaro | !+find lib/libc.a |
| 03:35.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:35.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lib/libc.a' (7 of 11): (/usr/lib/libc.a) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/avr/lib/libc.a) in otherosfs/avr-libc ;; (/usr/m68hc11/lib/libc.a) in devel/newlib-m68hc1x ;; (/usr/lib/newlib/libc.a) in libdevel/libnewlib-dev ;; (/usr/lib/diet/lib/libc.a) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/lib/libc.a) in libdevel/libklibc-dev ;; (/usr/arm-wince-pe/lib/libc.a) in devel/pocketpc-gcc. |
| 03:36.06 | zooy0rk | hrmm |
| 03:36.42 | dondelelcaro | just try moving that away for right now, and building your kernel. You'll probably end up deleting it later. |
| 03:37.08 | zooy0rk | just mv the /lib/libc.* out of /lib ? |
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| 03:37.25 | dondelelcaro | no. mv /lib/libc.a somewhere else. |
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| 03:38.01 | zooy0rk | still getting the same errors |
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| 03:38.19 | zooy0rk | hehh ... what about /lib/libc-2.3.6.so ? move it? |
| 03:38.27 | dondelelcaro | no |
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| 03:40.30 | dondelelcaro | you only have one /lib/libc.so, right? |
| 03:40.30 | dondelelcaro | rr... a /usr/lib/libc.so |
| 03:40.31 | dondelelcaro | (and no /lib/libc.so |
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| 03:40.31 | zooy0rk | /usr/lib/libc.so /lib/libc.so /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 03:40.31 | dondelelcaro | ugh. |
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| 03:40.41 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: ditch the /lib/libc.so too |
| 03:40.43 | zooy0rk | i dont have problems with anything else though |
| 03:40.43 | dondelelcaro | (but *not* the /lib/libc.so.6) |
| 03:40.43 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: sure, because everything else knows which libc6 to link with... |
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| 03:41.05 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: you may also need to aptitude reinstall libc6-dev libc6; |
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| 03:41.38 | zooy0rk | i'll give that a try |
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| 03:41.41 | Daveman | whee |
| 03:41.52 | Daveman | that was exhilarating. |
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| 03:43.17 | zooy0rk | sigh .. more sillyness |
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| 03:43.50 | zooy0rk | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libc6 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 03:44.10 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: uh... what have you done to this system? |
| 03:44.17 | zooy0rk | good question |
| 03:45.35 | zooy0rk | sounds like it's time for a fresh install ... =/ |
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| 03:47.37 | dondelelcaro | zooy0rk: anyway, basically it looks like you've got bits of files from various places there; that shouldn't have happened unless you were manually installing libraries or something |
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| 03:48.00 | zooy0rk | it's quite possible i did a long time ago and don't remember |
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| 03:50.19 | zooy0rk | ok apt-get install libc6-dev; aptitute reinstall libc6-dev libc6 worked |
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| 03:50.34 | zooy0rk | but still didnt fix my probs |
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| 03:52.08 | Woosta | I have libapache2-mod-php4 and php4-curl installed .. but curl doesn't seem to work .. anyone know what I'm missing? |
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| 03:53.53 | zooy0rk | hehh /var/lib/libc.a and /var/lib/libc.so and /lib/tls/libc.so.6 |
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| 03:56.14 | predius_ | is there a way to reduce swap usage? |
| 03:56.17 | predius_ | i have over 200 megs of ram free |
| 03:56.20 | predius_ | and it's swapping |
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| 03:56.43 | lekvar | is it swapping or paging? |
| 03:56.51 | menko | predius_: you can set the swappiness |
| 03:56.54 | Woosta | zooy0rk: you're suggesting I'm missing those? |
| 03:57.15 | zooy0rk | Woosta, no, sorry, i was talking to someone else |
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| 03:57.21 | Woosta | bugger :) |
| 03:57.35 | Woosta | So noone knows anything about getting php going with curl under debian? |
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| 03:58.25 | dondelelcaro | Woosta: just install php4-curl; it's pretty straight forward. |
| 03:58.31 | Woosta | Did that .. |
| 03:58.36 | chealer | Woosta: no, the packages were just uploaded for fun |
| 03:58.39 | Woosta | Still no curl functions |
| 03:58.41 | dondelelcaro | Woosta: you may need to enable it in your php.ini file and restart apache. |
| 03:58.50 | Woosta | How do I enable it? |
| 03:59.39 | lekvar | if i run aptitude is it going to "helpfully" insist on installing a bunch of stuff i didnt know i wanted on my deliberately lean (because it's SLOW) machine? |
| 04:00.07 | Stevie | i'd love to say "no", but I have yet to acquire the aptitude necessary to make aptitude do what I want |
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| 04:00.22 | dondelelcaro | Woosta: presumably by uncommenting a bit in the php.ini; /usr/share/doc/php4-curl/README.Debian should have details |
| 04:00.27 | chealer | lekvar: why would it? |
| 04:00.33 | dondelelcaro | lekvar: no. |
| 04:00.50 | dondelelcaro | lekvar: it'll suggest that you install recommends, but you can override it, or even turn off that features entirely. |
| 04:01.00 | Woosta | dondelelcaro: gah .. readme files .. :) |
| 04:01.03 | Woosta | thanks :) |
| 04:01.25 | lekvar | let's see if it can suggest a good ntp package for my laptop... the clock loses time badly on it |
| 04:01.53 | dondelelcaro | !set thie time |
| 04:01.54 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 04:01.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 04:02.12 | emss | is there an apt-watch for kde or is it possible to use apt-watch intself in kde's panel? |
| 04:02.42 | lekvar | I thikn I need something that polls an ntp server periodically, not just on boot |
| 04:02.49 | dondelelcaro | lekvar: that's what ntp-simple is. |
| 04:03.00 | Woosta | ooh .. look at that .. php4 only runs with threadsafe apache .. curl can't run with that .. wtf? |
| 04:03.03 | emss | lekvar: openntpd |
| 04:03.24 | lekvar | incidentally laptop-net is nice.. it fixed me having to hand-start my network every time |
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| 04:04.12 | dondelelcaro | Woosta: it requires prefork, yes. |
| 04:04.30 | Woosta | My head is exploding :) |
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| 04:06.40 | Woosta | OK, this curl readme is all about php rather than curl .. |
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| 04:07.37 | dondelelcaro | Woosta: yes, it's the php4-curl readme, afterall... |
| 04:07.42 | lekvar | I wonder what I did wrong this time around (I'm always playing with installs) that.. typing ALT-whatever gives me letters with accents, umlauts, etc... |
| 04:07.55 | dondelelcaro | lekvar: you've got alt assigned to compose. |
| 04:07.56 | emss | wow |
| 04:08.07 | Woosta | dondelelcaro: that makes no sense .. it's the *curl* readme but it doesn't talk about *curl*??? |
| 04:08.12 | chealer | emss: adept-notifier (not in stable) might do something similar |
| 04:08.25 | lekvar | dondelelcaro: Mary me. I've never got such a quick, straight answer to that type of question ever. |
| 04:08.31 | emss | chealer: thanks already know about that :) |
| 04:08.41 | Stevie | why is the package name for LVM version 1 'lvm10' ? |
| 04:08.47 | lekvar | dpkg: compose |
| 04:08.51 | lekvar | !compose |
| 04:09.16 | dondelelcaro | Stevie: because it's protocol version 10? |
| 04:09.53 | Stevie | what protocol version is lvm version 2? |
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| 04:10.04 | lekvar | ahh interesting it's only doing it in X |
| 04:10.15 | dondelelcaro | !iso8859 |
| 04:10.24 | dpkg | If you want to type ISO8859-1 (or similar) characters on your US keyboard, put "export LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1" in your .bash_profile (or whatever) and restart X. Use the right Windows key (on pc104) as your Compose/Multi_key key. Press <Compose><e><'> to make é, etc. In xf4.2, you may have to run xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_R = Multi_key' also. |
| 04:10.29 | Stevie | !windows1252 |
| 04:11.09 | Stevie | awww |
| 04:11.25 | Stevie | rofl |
| 04:11.26 | Woosta | yay .. it's not in the readme and I only found it after about 5 pages of google |
| 04:11.32 | Woosta | extension=curl.so |
| 04:11.32 | Stevie | a suggested package for lvm2 is 'dmsetup' |
| 04:11.36 | `ns` | !profanity |
| 04:11.36 | dpkg | somebody said profanity was the one language that all programmers understand. |
| 04:12.39 | `ns` | profanity is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate bastards ! |
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| 04:12.58 | Stevie | I never really started to swear until I started writing software for Windows. |
| 04:13.13 | htrp | The official pronounciation of Debian is 'deb ee n'. The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. |
| 04:13.15 | htrp | ooopps |
| 04:13.17 | htrp | duh! |
| 04:13.43 | `ns` | I swear while fixing machines, I mostly laugh at myself while programming |
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| 04:15.07 | lekvar | I'm going to guess this is all my xorg.conf's fault |
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| 04:16.41 | shadowarts | i switch exim4 to use Maildir instead of mbox and edited /etc/login.defs /etc/pam.d/login /etc/pam.d/ssh so it would still notify on new mail, but when i have new mail and type mail it says.... |
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| 04:16.53 | shadowarts | mail: /home/shadowarts/Maildir: Is a directory |
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| 04:19.02 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 04:19.02 | dpkg | it has been said that tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 04:19.03 | Hatter | Hello, noob question : when i apt-get update then apt-get upgrade, the following packages are held back apache apache-common and a few others realted to apache, can someone tell me what held back means please ? are they not getting security updates ? |
| 04:19.49 | chealer | Hatter: it means they're not upgraded. you're on stable? |
| 04:20.03 | Hatter | chealer: yes, stable |
| 04:20.48 | Hatter | chealer: I run a few of these servers and was wondering if they aren't upgraded do they still get security patches ? |
| 04:20.58 | lekvar | anyone know offhand if there's an ssl version of links2 available as an unofficial deb already? |
| 04:21.36 | chealer | Hatter: it's would be most likely a security update that they wouldn't be getting. do you have 1.3.33-6? |
| 04:21.46 | chealer | Hatter: of course note |
| 04:21.48 | chealer | not |
| 04:22.10 | Hatter | chealer: yes version is 1.3.31 |
| 04:22.18 | Hatter | chealer: and php4 |
| 04:22.32 | chealer | Hatter: I said 1.3.33. is it really 1.3.31? |
| 04:22.50 | Hatter | chealer: yes 1.3.31 |
| 04:23.22 | chealer | Hatter: then the package is outdated by more than a year |
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| 04:24.15 | Hatter | chealer: i see. I have been relying on apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, obviously i am missing something with the 'packages have been kept back' |
| 04:25.37 | chealer | Hatter: apt-get upgrade; is only sufficient to track stable (excluding only some kernel updates, normally). it seems you installed apache while sarge wasn't stable yet |
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| 04:27.57 | Hatter | chealer : that's strange, I have been on stable since it was released, perhaps the current build is an upgrade from the previous version, but that was a long time ago |
| 04:28.30 | Hatter | chealer: so from now, something else i have to do to fix this ? |
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| 04:29.24 | dondelelcaro | !+info apache stable |
| 04:29.25 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:29.27 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-6sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 376 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
| 04:29.50 | jbrouhard | Anyone here ever install Debian on an old server with a PERC/2 Raid Controller? Can someone point me in the direction to fix the GRUB error 18 issue ? |
| 04:29.51 | dondelelcaro | Hatter: what's the apt-cache policy apache; output on those machines? |
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| 04:30.27 | chealer | Hatter: hum...you must upgrade to current stable before # apt-get upgrade; is sufficient to track security updates, yes |
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| 04:31.59 | moriyah | anyone can help me with samsung clp-500 printer? |
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| 04:33.11 | Hatter | dondelelcaro: installed: 1.3.31-6 Candidate: 1.3.33-6sarge1 version table: 1.3.33-6sarge1 0 |
| 04:33.36 | dondelelcaro | Hatter: an apt-get upgrade; should install 1.3.33-6sarge1 |
| 04:34.11 | Hatter | dondelelcaro: it doesn't, it says : the following packages have been held back: |
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| 04:34.48 | dondelelcaro | Hatter: do an apt-get dist-upgrade; then and see what it does. |
| 04:35.04 | simonrvn | syslog-ng is still fucked |
| 04:35.31 | dondelelcaro | eh? |
| 04:35.51 | simonrvn | getting all my facilities going to syslog with 1.9.9 |
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| 04:36.18 | dondelelcaro | oh... I've no clue what the default configuration for syslog-ng does anymore |
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| 04:36.34 | simonrvn | it isn't default one |
| 04:37.03 | simonrvn | that's why i've held it for oh months. at least 1.6.x works as expected |
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| 04:37.29 | diesel | If I login using GDM and select sawfish for the session, will .xsession be read? |
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| 04:37.41 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:38.45 | Hatter | dondelelcaro: ok, it is upgrading those packages now, thanks |
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| 04:40.03 | Thanatermesis | what is bad on my user for extract/read the audio of a AudioCD ? |
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| 04:40.21 | TraceGreen | hello, which tool can help me to watch wmv in linux? |
| 04:40.38 | jbrouhard | don't suppose anyone is willing to help me with a grub problem in debian ??????????????????? |
| 04:40.55 | SkinSsay | TraceGreen, test whit vlc |
| 04:40.58 | TraceGreen | jbroome, what's your problem? |
| 04:40.59 | Hatter | dondelelcaro: in your opinion, should I be learning apache 2 now ? |
| 04:41.01 | chealer | !tell TraceGreen about wmv |
| 04:41.11 | dondelelcaro | jbrouhard: loose the excess punctuation, please. |
| 04:41.19 | jbrouhard | TraceGreen, I get Grub Error 18 when i reboot after installing Grub on a PERC/2 RAID controller. |
| 04:41.26 | dondelelcaro | Hatter: dunno, I tend to use apache 1 unless I've got a reason to use 2. |
| 04:41.37 | jbrouhard | sorry, dondelelcaro.. been fighing this grub problem since last night and can't get much help anywhere :( |
| 04:41.41 | Hatter | dondelelcaro: thanks, I have not found a reason to need 2 yet |
| 04:42.09 | TraceGreen | jbrouhard, do you try to reinstall your grub? |
| 04:42.18 | jbrouhard | Well |
| 04:42.23 | jbrouhard | i'm booted into the Debian install CD |
| 04:42.31 | jbrouhard | i alt+f2'd to a console |
| 04:42.31 | TraceGreen | jbrouhard, you may get a rescue cd, like Red hat and type "linux rescue" |
| 04:42.43 | jbrouhard | however I am now unable to mount /dev/sda1 |
| 04:42.49 | jbrouhard | I've got Knoppix |
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| 04:42.55 | jbrouhard | but it doesn't seem to recognize my RAID controller |
| 04:43.09 | simonrvn | fucking crap |
| 04:43.45 | jbrouhard | ? |
| 04:43.50 | simonrvn | not you |
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| 04:45.19 | jbrouhard | and then ALT+F2 to the console ? would that work better? |
| 04:46.26 | dondelelcaro | jbrouhard: are you using the sarge installer with install26? |
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| 04:47.24 | menko | hi, does anyone know where to find information or a guide on downloading a source package with apt-get, using deb-src in sources, and then editing the compilation options and optimisations? |
| 04:48.10 | dondelelcaro | menko: there really isn't much of a guide, because every package can do it in a different manner. |
| 04:48.26 | menko | ok, I guess I'll just dl and see how it goes |
| 04:48.35 | dondelelcaro | menko: it's basically a matter of apt-get source foopkg; edit debian/rules; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 04:49.08 | menko | well I didn't know most of that sentence :p |
| 04:49.15 | menko | so I can use that |
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| 04:49.29 | dondelelcaro | menko: are you sure you even want to bother? |
| 04:49.32 | comlicom | don't suppose anyone here uses a Compaq ProLiant DL360 by any chance ? |
| 04:49.49 | dondelelcaro | comlicom: just ask your question... |
| 04:50.07 | menko | dondelelcaro: heh I've compiled a few(mostly small) programs, but not the debian way |
| 04:50.11 | jbrouhard | sarge installer, dondelelcaro |
| 04:50.14 | jbrouhard | I think i got in |
| 04:50.24 | dondelelcaro | jbrouhard: with linux26 or did you just press return? |
| 04:50.44 | jbrouhard | just hit return |
| 04:50.50 | jbrouhard | i got into a chroot environment |
| 04:50.51 | cesar_deb_ | skins??? |
| 04:50.55 | jbrouhard | so if my drive is on sda1 |
| 04:50.58 | jbrouhard | wait |
| 04:51.06 | jbrouhard | *thinks* |
| 04:51.09 | jbrouhard | lemme quit grub |
| 04:51.13 | jbrouhard | and see where root's mounted in fstab |
| 04:51.40 | jbrouhard | can i do grub-install sda ? |
| 04:51.51 | comlicom | dondelelcaro: well it's not really a debian question however this is the most people i've seen in a chat channel so i'm hopeing i'll receive a broader understanding. |
| 04:52.14 | comlicom | the Compaq ProLiant DL360 like many other servers has a boot screen |
| 04:52.16 | dondelelcaro | jbrouhard: you're better off using the installer. |
| 04:52.31 | comlicom | no where on that boot screen does it state an option to enter into bios or setup |
| 04:52.40 | comlicom | and i'm unable to google such information. |
| 04:52.43 | comlicom | can anyone here help me ? |
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| 04:53.19 | dondelelcaro | comlicom: it's F9 apparently. |
| 04:53.36 | dondelelcaro | comlicom: see http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl360/questionsanswers2-g3.html |
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| 04:53.59 | comlicom | oh piss off |
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| 04:54.18 | GaveUp | today i've started having slow responses initiating ssh and ftps sessions ... anyone have any suggestions as to what i could do to debug? logs aren't showing anything out of the ordinary and a verbose ssh doesn't show anything out of the ordinary either |
| 04:54.35 | dondelelcaro | GaveUp: how long does it take for your dns server to respond to a ping foohost; request/ |
| 04:54.40 | dondelelcaro | s#/#?# |
| 04:55.39 | GaveUp | dondelelcaro: dns is on the same box...and queries to it work fine ... 100ms at most |
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| 04:55.57 | dondelelcaro | GaveUp: and for the remote host to reverse your IP? |
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| 04:56.26 | GaveUp | which way? client to server or server to client? |
| 04:56.46 | dondelelcaro | GaveUp: you lookup the server; the server then (often) reverses your ip. |
| 04:56.54 | comlicom | dondelelcaro: F9 is a no go |
| 04:57.17 | dondelelcaro | comlicom: immediately on bootup when the cursor is in the upper left? |
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| 04:57.55 | comlicom | dondelelcaro: as soon as i turn it on i press F9 till it start's beeping, still doesn't opene setup/bios |
| 04:57.57 | jbrouhard | dondelelcaro what do yu mean by "installer"/???? Talking about debian sarge installer that comes on my CD ? |
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| 04:58.05 | Halitherses | Do digital camera behave the same as a usb memory stick? Can you mount digital cameras as a drive? |
| 04:58.12 | dondelelcaro | Halitherses: depends. |
| 04:58.25 | dondelelcaro | jbrouhard: yes. You boot. You get a prompt. you either press enter or enter linux26. You start the installer. |
| 04:58.29 | Halitherses | The camera is a canon. |
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| 04:58.40 | dondelelcaro | Halitherses: most of them don't, iirc. |
| 04:58.55 | jbrouhard | dondelelcaro, That's pretty much what i've been doing the entire time.. i keep ending up with Grub error 18 |
| 04:59.06 | GaveUp | dondelelcaro: ah thought i'd gone through that...switching to a diff. box to dns worked, now to figure out what's broke with the local dns |
| 04:59.13 | dondelelcaro | jbrouhard: are you using linux26 or just pressing enter? |
| 04:59.20 | jbrouhard | just pressing enter |
| 04:59.27 | jbrouhard | should i try linux26? |
| 04:59.28 | dondelelcaro | jbrouhard: use linux26 instead. |
| 04:59.31 | jbrouhard | Ok |
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| 05:00.07 | comlicom | dondelelcaro: i can get into a raid array configuration page but that's it. |
| 05:00.27 | dondelelcaro | Halitherses: see /topic and refrain from /msg'ing us... |
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| 05:00.51 | dondelelcaro | Halitherses: it's specific to the cannons; I can't tell you about every other camera... some emulate the usbms spec, some don't. |
| 05:01.01 | dondelelcaro | comlicom: that's a later bios generally |
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| 05:01.16 | Hatter | jbrouhard: I had some strange problems with Grub,when changing hard drives to different ide channels, to fix I installed lilo, then after lilo I could install grub fine, now i just use lilo |
| 05:01.44 | jbrouhard | Heh |
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| 05:02.49 | Hatter | hatter: by using knoppix, chrooting, fixing network settings to allow internet, then apt-get install lilo |
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| 05:05.52 | duxbarak | how do i get help files for openoffice.org 2.0.1 in testing/etch ? |
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| 05:07.39 | duxbarak | 'apt-get openoffice.org-help-en' wants to remove openoffice.org >= 2.0 |
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| 05:08.57 | cesar_deb | skinSay: how is your tmsnc going on? |
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| 05:09.14 | chealer | duxbarak: there's no openoffice.org-help-en in testing |
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| 05:09.56 | billybob | wtf sony |
| 05:09.58 | duxbarak | chealer: oh, thats just wonderful, who's idea was that? but thanks anyways |
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| 05:10.54 | billybob | WTF SONY |
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| 05:11.13 | billybob | thats the main idea |
| 05:11.21 | devnull | how do i remove a package that won't remove because of diversion issue ? |
| 05:11.36 | dondelelcaro | devnull: give us the full output of the apt-get run |
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| 05:12.43 | devnull | how would you like the output |
| 05:13.08 | chealer | devnull: in a paster |
| 05:13.40 | devnull | hmm ... tough to do without gpm and x |
| 05:14.26 | dondelelcaro | devnull: in a file on some publicly accessible location, or #flood will work too |
| 05:15.11 | devnull | i guess there is no general answer to that question i guess |
| 05:15.27 | devnull | pardon my grammar |
| 05:15.31 | dondelelcaro | devnull: there are also command line paste clients... sial.org has one, iirc. |
| 05:16.00 | alexscott | devnull, are you french ? |
| 05:16.03 | devnull | no |
| 05:16.09 | alexscott | ok |
| 05:17.36 | devnull | how about ... what would cause a package to through a dpkg-divert: mismatch ? |
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| 05:18.20 | Hamled | so, uhh, when I run something as a background task in bash with &, it should continue after I leave the shell right? |
| 05:18.30 | vulture | Hamled: wrong |
| 05:18.37 | vulture | it's a child of the bash process - it dies when bash dies |
| 05:18.41 | dondelelcaro | devnull: a bug, generally. |
| 05:18.41 | Hamled | ah, ok |
| 05:18.42 | vulture | use nohup or screen |
| 05:18.50 | Hamled | ohhhh yeah, now I remember how I did it |
| 05:18.51 | Hamled | thanks |
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| 05:19.04 | devnull | gotcha because it is with xorg-driver-fglrx |
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| 05:20.49 | g3brown | Running dhcp3-server on Sarge 3.1. Is there a way I can show active client list? |
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| 05:24.40 | devnull | how do i pipe all console output to a file ? |
| 05:24.55 | billybob | command > file |
| 05:24.58 | billybob | i do believe |
| 05:25.03 | debian2 | I can't edit any config files in the /etc/ folder, it says I don't have any permision. What am I doing wrong? |
| 05:25.04 | billybob | or maybe < |
| 05:25.12 | devnull | definately not > |
| 05:25.18 | devnull | i need stderr aswell |
| 05:25.45 | ouznext | command > file 2>&1 |
| 05:25.49 | devnull | thank you |
| 05:25.54 | billybob | debian2: go to the terminal , type su, enter the admin password, open with a command line editor |
| 05:26.02 | ouznext | u r welcome |
| 05:26.25 | billybob | debian2: emacs might work |
| 05:26.36 | debian2 | Thaanks. |
| 05:26.42 | billybob | np |
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| 05:27.49 | devnull | demo.jsecomputers.com/drew/LOG |
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| 05:28.09 | devnull | dondelelcaro there is the output |
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| 05:29.56 | smurf_34m | i wanna download and install openoffice 2.0.2 for debian using kernel 2.8 - can i do that even if OO 2.0.2 is not a debian package? |
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| 05:31.03 | devnull | sure |
| 05:31.23 | smurf_34m | do i need to uninstall OO that was included in the debian package? |
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| 05:31.53 | devnull | smurf_34m ... i would imagine it wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 05:31.54 | jbrouhard | dondelelcaro, i tried linux26 and i got the grub18 error again |
| 05:31.59 | chealer | smurf_34m: kernel 2.8 can't refer to Linux |
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| 05:32.22 | smurf_34m | chealer: what do u mean? |
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| 05:32.48 | smurf_34m | chealer: i'm sorry i mean kernel 2.6.x |
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| 05:33.27 | bucky | Version: 2.0.1-4bpo1 is in backports |
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| 05:33.43 | philips | How do I map my Windows key to Mod3? It used to work in X 6.9 but I upgraded to X 7.0 from experimental and xmodmap seems to not work. |
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| 05:34.13 | smurf_34m | i also wanted to do programming using gtk 2.0 - where do i get the gtk 2.0 development libs |
| 05:34.33 | jm_ | smurf_34m: no, don't do that, use openoffice 2.0 backport if you're using Sarge |
| 05:34.45 | jm_ | apt-cache search gtk devel 2.0 |
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| 05:35.16 | jm_ | or maybe "gtk dev 2" |
| 05:35.19 | smurf_34m | is the gtk devel 2.0 libs included in the 15 iso images? |
| 05:35.20 | billybob | gnaww setting that up was fun |
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| 05:35.33 | jm_ | yes |
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| 05:36.00 | smurf_34m | jm_: where do i get the OO 2.0 backport? |
| 05:36.18 | jm_ | smurf_34m: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 05:41.22 | devnull | right then |
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| 05:42.38 | billybob | my sony laptop is giving me the most cokeadict error while trying to dual boot |
| 05:42.47 | billybob | its making me want to punch clowns |
| 05:42.56 | lekvar | I know some clowns who would like that. |
| 05:43.07 | billybob | flippin sweet |
| 05:43.55 | jbrouhard | Guys, I really want to get debian to work on my two Dell PowerEdge box |
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| 05:44.20 | jbrouhard | but I need to get past this Grub error 18... it happens every time after an install (both default and linux26 installs) |
| 05:44.24 | jbrouhard | Help ? |
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| 05:45.13 | billybob | did u go find out what error 18 is? |
| 05:45.19 | jm_ | grub docs will tell you what error 18 is |
| 05:45.21 | jbrouhard | Yes, I know what Error 18 |
| 05:45.25 | billybob | ...? |
| 05:45.27 | jbrouhard | has to do with drives |
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| 05:45.35 | jbrouhard | Grub is not seeing my drives or they've changed, whatever |
| 05:45.38 | jbrouhard | I'm using a SCSI set up here |
| 05:46.06 | billybob | lol i can't even get debian to work with a sony laptop and an ide drive |
| 05:46.12 | billybob | well dual booting neways |
| 05:46.26 | jm_ | how is it not seeing your drives? it uses BIOS to find all the devices |
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| 05:46.46 | jbrouhard | Don't look at me |
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| 05:47.03 | jbrouhard | I've gone in and tried force-feeding but i think grub-install /dev/sda is borked |
| 05:47.08 | jbrouhard | I think i need to manually do grub |
| 05:47.17 | ouznext | jbrouhard: did you create a /boot partition at the beginning of the disk that is completely within the first 1023 cylinders |
| 05:47.36 | jbrouhard | ouznext, i used default config.. everything in / |
| 05:47.44 | jbrouhard | ONe partition, one seap partition |
| 05:48.00 | htrp | is mozilla-firefox = firefox? |
| 05:48.04 | ouznext | ok, read information on error 18, and they'll tell you to create a /boot partition ;-) |
| 05:48.07 | jm_ | htrp: yes |
| 05:48.08 | htrp | or firefox = mozilla? |
| 05:48.11 | lekvar | hm |
| 05:48.15 | htrp | or firefox = mozilla-firefox*? |
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| 05:48.26 | jbrouhard | Hmm |
| 05:48.34 | jbrouhard | I'll try doing a /boot, swap and /root :) |
| 05:48.36 | jbrouhard | err / |
| 05:48.39 | jbrouhard | err :) |
| 05:48.47 | jbrouhard | okay.. /boot, swap and / ??? |
| 05:48.55 | jbrouhard | (gah.. reminds me of Gentoo LMAO) |
| 05:48.55 | jm_ | 150M? that's total overkill :) |
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| 05:49.04 | jbrouhard | Only need 100M really but ok :P |
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| 05:50.36 | ouznext | jbrouhard: /boot at the very beginning of the disk. then swap and / is ok. I like a /opt and /home too, but they can be placed easily on LVM then... (for example you reserve a big partition on disk to create a PV, and create a vg01. On that vg01 you place whatever is not OS-necessary (don't place there /var not /usr, bin, lib...) |
| 05:51.17 | jbrouhard | ouznext, I'll just go with basic config |
| 05:51.31 | jbrouhard | I just *WANT* to get the box running LOL :) |
| 05:51.53 | sparr | i have 4 swap partitions |
| 05:52.04 | sparr | 5G each, on seperate IDE channels |
| 05:52.04 | jbrouhard | *COUGH*] |
| 05:52.10 | ouznext | jm_: right, for a debian I used to create it about 20MB, but once I installed a RHEL AS4 and it was not enough. Couldn't rememnber why exactly. |
| 05:52.12 | jbrouhard | 5GB swap partitions ? |
| 05:52.31 | sparr | 4 of me |
| 05:52.33 | sparr | em |
| 05:52.48 | ouznext | sparr: 20GB of swap ? Why so much swap defined ? Are you running a SAP R3 installation ? |
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| 05:53.01 | sparr | ouznext: it helps when im editing very large media files |
| 05:53.25 | ouznext | :o ok, just curious ;-) |
| 05:53.28 | sparr | ouznext: plus 5GB was the largest 'chunk' on my drive allocation plan when i last partitioned :) |
| 05:53.39 | sparr | i was going to do 4x whatever, and whatever happened to be 5GB |
| 05:53.46 | ouznext | sparr: did you set all swap partition with the same priority to actually strip them ? |
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| 05:54.00 | sparr | of course |
| 05:54.07 | ouznext | ;-) |
| 05:54.32 | sparr | i need all that swap so i can have a 20GB ram drive :) |
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| 05:55.34 | billybob | thats the definition of a shit ton of ram |
| 05:55.46 | ouznext | but actually, unless you have more that 20GB of real RAM, that ram disk will reside into disk swap space ! (I don't know what is faster: swap disk or xfs ) |
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| 05:56.03 | sparr | the ram disk was a joke |
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| 05:58.44 | ouznext | hahaha lol |
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| 05:59.16 | Edwardo | I'm having a problem, I'm not sure if it's debian related or not but.. |
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| 06:00.19 | billybob | shoot edwardo |
| 06:00.20 | Edwardo | I'm writing and compiling programs in C for a class. They compile with no errors, they run but I see no output. At first I thought it was my code, but on the school's unix system I DO get ouput from the same exact program. wtf |
| 06:01.00 | Edwardo | I even did a hello world program to test... no output there either. |
| 06:01.05 | vulture | Edwardo: there are lots of programs that behave differently on different platform, this doesn't tell us much.. |
| 06:01.13 | vulture | ho are you running your hello world program at home? |
| 06:01.20 | jm_ | edwards: what shell are you using? |
| 06:01.26 | jm_ | Edwardo ^^^^ |
| 06:01.36 | Edwardo | running at home, running bash |
| 06:01.44 | Edwardo | hell.. |
| 06:01.50 | Edwardo | #include <stdio.h> |
| 06:01.50 | Edwardo | int main() |
| 06:01.50 | Edwardo | { |
| 06:01.50 | Edwardo | printf("hello there!\n" ); |
| 06:01.50 | Edwardo | } |
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| 06:02.01 | Edwardo | woops |
| 06:02.23 | Edwardo | anyway, that compiles, runs, no output. |
| 06:02.42 | Edwardo | on MY system... it works fine on the school's |
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| 06:03.24 | jm_ | does strace show it writing to stdout? |
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| 06:03.29 | tarzeau | WTF |
| 06:03.32 | tarzeau | !POPCON |
| 06:03.32 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:04.57 | Edwardo | Exec format error |
| 06:05.24 | jm_ | huh? |
| 06:05.44 | Edwardo | write(3, "strace: exec: Exec format error\n", 32strace: exec: Exec format error |
| 06:06.01 | jm_ | what does file say for the executable? |
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| 06:06.36 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 06:06.38 | Edwardo | assume for a moment, I'm learning C and I only barely know what I'm doing.... |
| 06:06.42 | jm_ | and what did you strace? not file.c I hope |
| 06:06.52 | Edwardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.00 | Edwardo | hello is the compiled output |
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| 06:07.08 | tengulre | how to display the linux logo when boot time? |
| 06:07.11 | jm_ | how did you compile hello? what dies "file hello" say? |
| 06:07.19 | Edwardo | gcc hello.c > hello |
| 06:07.20 | jm_ | does* |
| 06:07.23 | jm_ | haha |
| 06:07.27 | jm_ | gcc -o hello hello.c |
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| 06:07.41 | Edwardo | the > is no good I take it? |
| 06:07.44 | jm_ | yes |
| 06:08.02 | Edwardo | doh |
| 06:08.09 | Edwardo | that would be my problem |
| 06:08.13 | jm_ | or simply "make hello" |
| 06:08.44 | Edwardo | yup, got it working. |
| 06:08.55 | Edwardo | thanks for spotting my n00b mistake |
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| 06:12.24 | liable | tengulre: its a kernel compile time option |
| 06:12.42 | jm_ | it requires FB support |
| 06:13.03 | tengulre | liable, which option> I can not found it! |
| 06:13.06 | liable | tengulre: i assume you mean the little picture of tux? |
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| 06:13.36 | liable | tengulre: its in the device drivers section iirc |
| 06:14.20 | jm_ | menuconfig has search facility |
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| 06:15.31 | liable | tengulre: as jm_ said it requires FB, in the graphics section of device drivers, down the bottom |
| 06:15.39 | jbrouhard | SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET |
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| 06:16.08 | jbrouhard | ouznext, it works!!!!!!!!!! IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:19.26 | cmug | billybob, use Grub |
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| 06:19.54 | billybob | cmug: my win install won't boot |
| 06:20.29 | billybob | cmug: i have 1 disk with deb, 1 with win. and a laptop with 1 ide. i put them on 1 drive and nothing works. and now even window alone won't work |
| 06:20.40 | ouznext | billybob: have you tried with grub shell: chainloader (hd0,X)+1 ? |
| 06:20.44 | billybob | cmug: don't ask how i'm doing this its so dumb |
| 06:20.52 | billybob | cmug: yes |
| 06:21.15 | billybob | cmug: sony says fuck you everybody we suck and u can't change our base install atall!!! HAHA |
| 06:21.58 | liable | billybob: more details, you have two disks in the laptop? you installed grub to which one? |
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| 06:22.37 | weasel_00 | billybob : might have to reset the bios on the notebook... should be a pin hole somewhere |
| 06:22.39 | billybob | liable: its 2 disks, only 1 fits in the laptop |
| 06:22.57 | weasel_00 | billybob : oops, pinhole was on the toshiba, my bad |
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| 06:23.12 | billybob | weasel_00: nope the win install wants the hole drive because sony sucks ass |
| 06:23.32 | ice_1963 | hello ... i jest installed fluxbox is there a good program to burn cd's whit ? |
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| 06:23.48 | cafuego | cdrecord |
| 06:24.13 | ice_1963 | jest cdrecord |
| 06:24.22 | liable | yep |
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| 06:25.15 | liable | billybob: i dont understand. you swap disks when you want to boot debian? |
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| 06:25.49 | billybob | liable: i copied the debian install to after the win install using a sector copy prog thing |
| 06:25.52 | JeffH_ | why is it that every time there is a ClamAV update I still get the warning that the database is out of date? |
| 06:26.17 | billybob | liable: i'm not expecting anyone to understand i'm just pissed that sony sucks asshole for nickels |
| 06:27.05 | billybob | i ruined my fucking win install! AGH |
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| 06:28.07 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 06:36.25 | Fetal | dselect owned my computer |
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| 06:37.07 | Fetal | I accidentally selected romove instead of install and most of my packages were removed before i realised and ctrl^c out |
| 06:37.20 | Fetal | i cant even man or info now... |
| 06:37.22 | iceman | whats minimal cds for a install with kde or gnome .. which iso's |
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| 06:38.05 | chealer | iceman: which release do you plan to install? |
| 06:38.57 | Fetal | All I want my install CD to do is reinstall the default packages that I accidentally deleted. can I do that? or should i just start over? |
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| 06:39.21 | JeffH_ | why is it that when I upgrade ClamAV I'm told the database is out of date? |
| 06:39.24 | iceman | looking at one of two possible 3.or4 or 3.1r0 |
| 06:39.55 | chealer | iceman: 3.0r4? that's an old revision of oldstable |
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| 06:40.09 | iceman | what ever works ... |
| 06:40.27 | iceman | 3.1r0 ? it stable |
| 06:40.43 | chealer | iceman: 3.1r0 is also an old revision of stable. did you already download it? |
| 06:40.45 | liable | Fetal: i dont guess dselect work anymore? |
| 06:40.45 | iceman | dont think i need 10 cd's |
| 06:40.59 | iceman | none downloaded yet .. |
| 06:41.05 | Fetal | well i does but I cant connect to the internet |
| 06:41.08 | chealer | Fetal: which release do you use? |
| 06:41.09 | michal_ | is thee any way to allow a user sftp/scp access without allowing them shell access? |
| 06:41.23 | michal_ | i tired setting the shell to /bin/false but that breaks both sftp and scp |
| 06:41.24 | iceman | whats stable ? |
| 06:41.26 | michal_ | tried |
| 06:41.26 | Fetal | i just installed the latest release |
| 06:41.31 | chealer | iceman: then don't download either. you should probably get 3.1r1 |
| 06:41.49 | Fetal | i dont think i even used the second CD tbh |
| 06:41.49 | iceman | dont see 3.1r1 in the ftp list |
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| 06:42.20 | chealer | Fetal: so Sarge? try # tasksel -ris; |
| 06:42.38 | michal_ | is it even possible? i dn't want to waste hours trying to do something impossible :( |
| 06:42.38 | liable | michal_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 |
| 06:42.42 | chealer | iceman: where are you looking at? |
| 06:42.55 | Fetal | im assuming # is the bash prmpt right? |
| 06:42.59 | iceman | ok i found a ftp fot 3.1r1 |
| 06:43.00 | JeffH | why is it when I update ClamAV it always tells me the database is out of date? |
| 06:43.02 | Fetal | or do i put that to? |
| 06:43.03 | liable | JeffH: check out debian-volatile |
| 06:43.09 | michal_ | liable: thanks forthe pointer |
| 06:43.18 | iceman | so what cd's for install with kde or gnome |
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| 06:43.22 | eeyore- | jeffh: clamfile? |
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| 06:43.26 | chealer | Fetal: root's shell prompt, yes |
| 06:43.29 | JeffH | liable: is that a package? or room? |
| 06:43.29 | eeyore- | JeffH: or clamget, something like that |
| 06:43.35 | Fetal | ok |
| 06:43.44 | JeffH | libclamav |
| 06:43.49 | eeyore- | JeffH: clam-getfiles |
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| 06:44.16 | errno_signal | hi guys, I was wondering if it were possible to (dot.config) or pass parameters to lpr to get a page split horizontally (thereby getting 2 pages one side of the sheet,) and printing on both sides of the paper |
| 06:44.19 | iceman | what iso's should i grab ? |
| 06:44.20 | Fetal | chealer: thaks mate you could become my hero |
| 06:44.34 | strobedream | errno_signal: try enscript |
| 06:44.36 | chealer | Fetal: I was waiting for that! |
| 06:44.38 | liable | JeffH: its a repo for packages in stable that need frequent updates, like clamav |
| 06:44.41 | Fetal | :) |
| 06:44.48 | errno_signal | chealer: he said 'could' :P |
| 06:44.58 | eeyore- | errno_signal: cups? it's called '2-up' printing |
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| 06:45.09 | errno_signal | eeyore-: i'm not sure what this system uses |
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| 06:45.14 | chealer | errno_signal: I can convince him >:] |
| 06:45.16 | iceman | first two cd's for install with kde / |
| 06:45.16 | JeffH | liable: I see. I'll look into it.. thanks. |
| 06:45.39 | chealer | iceman: gnome-core and kde-core are on CD 1. gnome and kde are on CD 2. |
| 06:45.41 | liable | iso1 is all thats needed |
| 06:45.42 | weasel_00 | where does "apt-setup" come from. it works on one install but another? |
| 06:45.51 | eeyore- | errno_signal: most postscript printers will do 2-up, 4-up, no problem :-) |
| 06:46.03 | liable | weasel_00: base-config, not in sid or etch anymore |
| 06:46.31 | iceman | so first two should cover a fair working install for "a KDE" or gnome user |
| 06:46.36 | errno_signal | eeyore-: so I'd have to convert * to ps? |
| 06:46.38 | liable | weasel_00: except as a udeb during install. |
| 06:46.39 | bibe | hi all. Is this the right channel to ask legal questions about a product (basically, the legality of a Debian Sarge mail server with a proprietary webmail application)? |
| 06:47.01 | Fetal | oh snap I just googled that. I will be VERY surprised if it doenst work. |
| 06:47.04 | strobedream | as long as webmail doesn't care |
| 06:47.15 | errno_signal | strobedream: can it skip conversion, and just act on the .ps file i send it? |
| 06:47.18 | eeyore- | errno_signal: well, it's a 'natural' format to use |
| 06:47.19 | Fetal | chealer: you conviced me |
| 06:47.21 | weasel_00 | liable : ahhh thank you |
| 06:47.44 | strobedream | errno_signal: I dont know, although I wouldn't be suprised if it handled it like a champ |
| 06:48.03 | iceman | cool i'll get cd 1 and cd2 iso's |
| 06:48.15 | iceman | rest just apt-get ... :) |
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| 06:48.34 | chealer | iceman: note that unless you intend to install on several machines, CD 1 is always enough |
| 06:48.46 | liable | iceman: if you have a good net connection, just get the net installer |
| 06:48.54 | lekvar | Hey I'm trying to compile a package myself to change some of the options. I got the source, got the build-dep's, and it won't build... seems kind of weird... (I tried it with defaults to make sure it wasn't the extra option I wanted to add w/ same result).. |
| 06:49.19 | iceman | I reinstall enough having a working usable install i need .. its like installing on several machines ... |
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| 06:49.24 | strobedream | well night all |
| 06:49.30 | bibe | strobedream : night to you |
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| 06:49.51 | iceman | oh, there is a net install cd ... |
| 06:50.13 | iceman | 3meg pipe on internet .. should cover speed |
| 06:50.28 | errno_signal | strobedream, eeyore- : cheers fellas |
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| 06:52.03 | Thunderguy | I just talked to somebody at uh... Lexar: Prathap: The JumpDrive secure II is not compatible with Linux, it is compatible only with windows XP and |
| 06:52.03 | Thunderguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.05 | JeffH | okay.. I'm spacing it.. where is the file that you specify the repositories for apt? |
| 06:52.12 | Thunderguy | Can you believe that? They made a drive too secure for Linux |
| 06:52.21 | iceman | etc/apt |
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| 06:52.30 | weasel_00 | JeffH : /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:53.18 | JeffH | thanks. |
| 06:53.24 | iceman | Thunderguy some one will find a way into the drive ... |
| 06:54.19 | weasel_00 | where can i find out what ports need to be open on a firewall for apt-get to work? |
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| 06:55.29 | jm_ | weasel_00: that depends on your access method |
| 06:55.49 | weasel_00 | jm_ : should be 80 or 21 right? |
| 06:55.52 | Thunderguy | iceman: Can it not be me? :( actually how unlucky, I can't find the sales receipt to it :O |
| 06:56.16 | weasel_00 | Thunderguy : tell them it was a present from corporate :) |
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| 06:56.40 | jm_ | weasel_00: 80 for http and it's a bit more complicated for FTP |
| 06:57.13 | iceman | so anything i need to know to install with teh net cd |
| 06:57.16 | weasel_00 | jm_ : hmm.. is there a doc hiding somewhere regard this? |
| 06:57.46 | jm_ | weasel_00: just use http, it's faster and easier on firewalls ;) |
| 06:58.02 | jm_ | weasel_00: but yeah, there are documents explaining how FTP protocol and firewalls mix |
| 06:58.14 | iceman | anything i need to know to install with the net cd ... ? |
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| 06:58.36 | jm_ | iceman: read installation manual |
| 06:58.51 | weasel_00 | jm_ : ftp and firewalls ya.. i tried to find something regarding apt's transporting protocols to see if there was something more specific |
| 06:59.48 | jm_ | weasel_00: there isn't really, it works just like any FTP client |
| 06:59.55 | liable | iceman: as long as your net card is detected, you should be good to go |
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| 07:00.22 | weasel_00 | jm_ : ok... i'll leave that mess for another day and go digging for the repo list |
| 07:00.22 | Netsnipe | hey everyone |
| 07:00.27 | spowers | did that xo outage cause a mess in here a while ago? |
| 07:00.37 | Netsnipe | has anyone had anyone luck with the new wpa_supplicant package? |
| 07:01.06 | iceman | liable it's a standard 3com nic ... i always run a 3com for compatibality |
| 07:01.44 | liable | iceman: have a quick read of the install guide at debian.org. its pretty easy to install. |
| 07:02.07 | iceman | it will automaticly go to the to the ftp or http and get needed files |
| 07:02.34 | iceman | liable i see little in the install guide on net cd install |
| 07:03.06 | liable | iceman: the only thing different about the netinst is that it gets packages from the net. the rest is the same |
| 07:03.31 | iceman | it automaticly goes to the web ... no need to provide a url |
| 07:04.07 | iceman | suse used to make you provide a url for the ftp install |
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| 07:06.22 | billybob | hey guys whats a decent processor running temp? |
| 07:06.32 | billybob | actually no... how hot is too hot? |
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| 07:06.38 | jm_ | it depends on your CPU |
| 07:06.45 | billybob | p4 3.8ghz |
| 07:06.53 | iceman | 120 is fairly hot .... |
| 07:07.00 | billybob | F or c? |
| 07:07.19 | jm_ | P4 will start working slower when it gets too hot so in theory, it should never overheat |
| 07:07.28 | billybob | lol |
| 07:08.03 | billybob | but my processor is going to like 70c and i think the fan might be bad |
| 07:08.06 | iceman | 3.8 sweet ... wish my amd 64 were working ... stupid mobo fried |
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| 07:08.28 | billybob | nice |
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| 07:09.31 | billybob | but what should i set my shutoff temp at? |
| 07:09.46 | jm_ | leave it at default |
| 07:11.40 | billybob | default is off! lawl |
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| 07:11.54 | wt | anyone a postfix person? |
| 07:12.15 | wt | if I do "mydestination = /etc/postfix/local_domains.cf localhost.$mydomain localhost", what should /etc/postfix/local_domains.cf look like? |
| 07:12.35 | jm_ | nice defaults ;) |
| 07:12.36 | wt | I currently have a one domain per line file that isn't working like I expected |
| 07:12.42 | billybob | lol ya |
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| 07:14.52 | Shadur | wt: Er, I don't think that's correct syntax. You might want to create a hash file for that first set. |
| 07:15.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:15.24 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
| 07:15.44 | Stevie-O | hahaha |
| 07:15.47 | liable | heh, one of my favourites |
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| 07:16.08 | wt | Shadur: there is no index...do I just say hash:/etc/postfix/local_domains.cf? |
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| 07:19.32 | jeanmi_ | to get access to a host, I have to "jump" to several hosts with ssh before attaining it (i.e, ssh to A, from A ssh to B, and so on) |
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| 07:19.54 | jeanmi_ | there are some windows tools such as securecrt that allow to make this automatic |
| 07:20.10 | jeanmi_ | anything you could recommend that I could use with debian ? |
| 07:20.33 | jm_ | jeanmi_: openssh has support for this too if you configure it properly, see ForwardAgent setting |
| 07:20.52 | jeanmi_ | thanks |
| 07:20.55 | Stevie-O | setup a script on B that connects to C |
| 07:21.38 | jeanmi_ | Stevie-O : no I can not do it as some of the machines on the way are chrooted/read-only cages |
| 07:21.57 | jeanmi_ | and I'd like something that will type the passwords for me |
| 07:22.04 | Stevie-O | ssh A 'ssh B "ssh C"' |
| 07:22.21 | jeanmi_ | Stevie-O I don't think you can do that |
| 07:22.23 | jm_ | in that case one could simply use expect |
| 07:22.30 | jm_ | sure you can |
| 07:22.30 | Stevie-O | have you tried? |
| 07:22.58 | jeanmi_ | using ssh 'ssh' ? |
| 07:23.15 | jeanmi_ | well I dont know what expect is but that sounds more like what I am looking for |
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| 07:24.47 | siimo | hi any idea why i dont have the killall command ? |
| 07:25.01 | jm_ | siimo: yes, /msg dpkg installit |
| 07:25.08 | siimo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.12 | siimo | damn |
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| 07:26.52 | jeanmi_ | Stevie-O if I try to ssh host 'ssh otherHost' then I get: |
| 07:26.59 | jeanmi_ | Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal |
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| 07:28.17 | Greek-Boy | how do I change root password in debian? |
| 07:28.27 | jeanmi_ | type passwd as root |
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| 07:30.04 | jm_ | there are ssh options that force allocation of tty, man ssh |
| 07:30.40 | jeanmi_ | jm_ ok, but anyway, I have installed expect and it seems to be what I was looking for |
| 07:30.45 | jm_ | but you will most likely want to use expect (or any similar tool) to automate the logins, or rely on key based authentication by forwarding auth socket |
| 07:31.06 | Stevie-O | yay |
| 07:31.16 | jm_ | jeanmi_: yes, or Expect Perl module |
| 07:31.16 | Stevie-O | i am so cool |
| 07:31.48 | jm_ | I also wrote my own tool for this because I dislike expect |
| 07:32.16 | weasel_00 | where is the master list of apt sources located? |
| 07:32.26 | jeanmi_ | jm_, well, expect does not seem that easy to use indeed |
| 07:32.37 | jm_ | weasel_00: master list? |
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| 07:33.02 | Greek-Boy | the jeanmi_ |
| 07:33.09 | Greek-Boy | its so simple yet I never knew |
| 07:33.10 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 07:33.29 | weasel_00 | jm_ : ya i found earlier today. it was a file listing all the repos and ports, used to look like the apt-setup list but it just a file somewhere |
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| 07:33.57 | tarzeau | hm why is libavifile-0.7-dev not available on most archs? |
| 07:34.03 | jm_ | weasel_00: I have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 07:35.27 | weasel_00 | jm_ : well i dont have apt-setup any more and need to put new http repo's into my sources.list because i have ftp repos right now. |
| 07:36.33 | jm_ | weasel_00: ahh www.debian.org has a list of all mirrors, or simply try replacing ftp with http, it works with most mirrors |
| 07:37.00 | davi_ | I am unable to install the tora source package on Sarge. I have deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib on source.list. apt-get update && apt-get install tora does not work. |
| 07:37.00 | jm_ | that's what confused me, you should have said mirrors, not repos ;) |
| 07:37.30 | weasel_00 | jm_ : thanks i feel stupid now that i didnt think of that |
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| 07:37.49 | jm_ | davi: davi;did you run apt-get update after adding it? it's in main |
| 07:38.03 | davi_ | jm_ of course |
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| 07:38.26 | jm_ | davi_: well the files are there |
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| 07:39.15 | davi_ | jm_ What _files_ must I download, the .gz and all the diff , or it is just enought the big .gz without the diff = |
| 07:39.26 | davi_ | ? |
| 07:39.37 | jm_ | davi_: apt-get source tora |
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| 07:39.57 | davi_ | jm_ ah, shit, I used apt-get install tora :P |
| 07:40.02 | jm_ | davi_: :P |
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| 07:40.16 | Stevie-O | i have just successfully created an lvm volume, then resized it! go me! |
| 07:40.21 | Stevie-O | now it's time to get some sleep |
| 07:40.28 | davi_ | jm_ Now it works, thanks |
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| 07:42.10 | weasel_00 | Stevie-O : gratz =) |
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| 07:46.11 | chealer | tarzeau: apparently avifile FTBFS on most arch |
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| 07:46.44 | cmatheson | my sister accidentally deleted a bunch of word documents off her laptop (it's windows... vfat partition). is there any unix utilities i can use to maybe undelete the lost files? |
| 07:47.30 | jm_ | cmatheson: not that I know, but deletion on FAT is done by changing the first letter of a file to a special code, so it's usually only a matter of changing it back -- as long as it wasn't overwritten by other data |
| 07:48.49 | cmatheson | jm_: hmm, i'll have to look into that, thanks |
| 07:49.00 | weasel_00 | cmatheson : there are a few free apps tha will restore it for windows. |
| 07:49.26 | jm_ | yeah just be careful installing them, probably best to do it with another disk |
| 07:49.54 | cmatheson | weasel_00: i saw some stuff like that come up on google, just wasn't sure if it was legit or loaded w/ spyware or something... maybe it would be easier to just try one of those |
| 07:50.21 | weasel_00 | cmatheson : gimme a sec and let me see what i can suggest |
| 07:50.43 | cmatheson | weasel_00: thanks |
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| 07:53.28 | weasel_00 | cmatheson : i seem to have misplaced my techsup drive #@$%! ... sorry i dont have any suggestions as i dont remember the names of them. cept spinrite butthats a bit extreme. =( |
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| 07:54.00 | cmatheson | weasel_00: heh, that's ok... i'll dig around and see what i can come up w/ |
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| 07:55.24 | weasel_00 | cmatheson : norton has a unerase wiz thats effective 95% of the time. but like jm_ said, i would remove the drive slave it in another box and recover them that way so they dont get overwritten. |
| 07:55.56 | HPS`Fresh | Hi. |
| 07:56.40 | HPS`Fresh | Seting up stabla at raid 5. after creating fs at / mount point - Bus Error. |
| 07:56.45 | weasel_00 | cmatheson : this looks simple and promising :: http://officerecovery.com/freeundelete/ |
| 07:56.47 | HPS`Fresh | what can it be? |
| 07:57.02 | Xteven | does anyone know how to pass an a commandline flag to a command run in chrootuid, without chrootuid wanting to interpret that flag ? |
| 07:57.24 | cmatheson | weasel_00: that does look good... i don't have the norton stuff but i'll give the other utility a try |
| 07:57.27 | HPS`Fresh | is it raid controller bug or something else? it`s SATA controller. |
| 07:58.19 | weasel_00 | cmatheson : norton just came to mind cause i always had a copy or three of systemworks in my bag at all times =) |
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| 07:58.58 | cmatheson | weasel_00: i see. well, i'll give the freeundelete a whirl... think i'll wait til the morning when to swap the hard-drive out though... thanks for the help guys! |
| 07:59.35 | weasel_00 | cmatheson : cross my fingers for ya =) |
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| 08:03.38 | BlackSmith | hello, i installed debian to my second computer but i cant find a way to change settings e.g. to my display. now im stuck with 800x600 and well that sucks. |
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| 08:04.27 | liable | !drxx BlackSmith |
| 08:04.28 | dpkg | BlackSmith: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 08:05.01 | Project_III | can someone here help me in setting up fluxbox on debian? |
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| 08:07.22 | BlackSmith | ...okay.. that kinda went over my top. |
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| 08:07.41 | fluxdude | Project_III: apt-get install fluxbox? then /etc/alternatives/window-manager --> /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 08:08.12 | fluxdude | Project_III: flux rocks... |
| 08:08.15 | liable | BlackSmith: as root, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:08.31 | Project_III | i already have it installed... i need some help configuring |
| 08:08.32 | Project_III | :) |
| 08:08.48 | fluxdude | Project_III: what's the prob, what do you want to do? |
| 08:09.25 | Project_III | the menu is basically blank. the only items are "xterm" "restart" and "exit" and xterm won't let me click it. |
| 08:09.39 | fluxdude | edit ~/.fluxbox/menu ~/.fluxbox/keys does most of what you want... |
| 08:09.44 | Project_III | and yes. i love fluxbox :) |
| 08:09.55 | Project_III | i had it set up before with a distro that did all the setting up for me. |
| 08:10.01 | fluxdude | edit ~/.fluxbox/menu, syntax is very simple straightforward... |
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| 08:10.31 | Project_III | when it was installed... the file "menu" was empty |
| 08:10.34 | Project_III | is this a problem? |
| 08:10.46 | Project_III | i saw the syntax on the wiki |
| 08:11.18 | fluxdude | Project_III: yes |
| 08:11.47 | Project_III | from the wiki i copy and pasted the default menu into the menu file |
| 08:11.53 | Project_III | but it didnt change anything |
| 08:11.54 | nkuttler | Project_III: um... that's not normal. are you using stable? |
| 08:11.57 | fluxdude | Project_III: put [include] (/etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu) to get all the debian menus |
| 08:12.34 | Project_III | fluxdude, put that line in the menu file? |
| 08:12.34 | fluxdude | Project_III: what wiki? |
| 08:12.59 | Project_III | fluxdude, http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Fluxbox-wiki |
| 08:14.29 | fluxdude | Project_III: lol, you didn't overwrite your menu with that 3 line example did you? |
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| 08:15.08 | fluxdude | just add to the top "[include] (/etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu)" without quotes to the top of the menu file to get all the menus back. |
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| 08:15.29 | Project_III | i didn't overwrite the menu file. it was empty. 0 bytes |
| 08:15.32 | fluxdude | it's automagical so you don't need to restart |
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| 08:15.43 | Project_III | im not even in fluxbox right now |
| 08:15.50 | Project_III | i couldnt get a single thing to run |
| 08:15.59 | Project_III | not even a terminal |
| 08:16.03 | fluxdude | Project_III: hmmm, strange, did you use the menu first to see if the empty file would default to the debian menu? |
| 08:16.33 | fluxdude | Project_III: try what I said and you should be good to go... it's only 1 line. |
| 08:16.51 | Project_III | the empty file was there when i installed it. and the debian menu was not present |
| 08:16.54 | Project_III | i will try it now :) |
| 08:17.06 | BlackSmith | i got command not found |
| 08:18.26 | Project_III | thanks for that fluxdude, i'll be back in a few |
| 08:19.18 | liable | BlackSmith: what version of debian? and did you run it as root? |
| 08:19.41 | BlackSmith | 2.6.soemthing and yse |
| 08:19.44 | BlackSmith | yes even |
| 08:19.50 | BlackSmith | something too |
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| 08:20.29 | liable | BlackSmith: 2.6 is a kernel. what version of debian? do you have xfree or xorg? |
| 08:20.37 | Project_III | fluxdude, that was a no go |
| 08:20.44 | BlackSmith | ummm |
| 08:21.06 | liable | BlackSmith: dpkg -l |grep xserver |
| 08:21.07 | Project_III | fluxdude, there was no change to the menu :-/ |
| 08:21.24 | htrp | what does 'grep' really do? |
| 08:21.29 | htrp | echo or something? |
| 08:21.49 | jm_ | man grep |
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| 08:22.29 | BlackSmith | humdi the first one worked. there was just a typo |
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| 08:22.51 | phil0u | 'lo |
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| 08:23.22 | concept10 | anyone know greek? |
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| 08:24.14 | phil0u | i have a simple question (i guess) that i can't get an answer to : I use dpkg-buildpackage to build some debs and i'd like that the "make" would use "-j3" during the process. How do i do that ? thanks |
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| 08:28.20 | eleftherios | I am on Debian sarge, OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 starts up and all the menus and the messages are displayed as: '???????' or squares...any pointers please? |
| 08:28.56 | htrp | what version of xchat are yall using? |
| 08:28.56 | Xteven | looks like a problem with fonts or locale |
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| 08:29.42 | tarzeau | chealer: pity |
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| 08:29.56 | htrp | ? |
| 08:29.56 | tarzeau | htrp: none |
| 08:30.02 | tarzeau | htrp: i use talksoup.app and irssi |
| 08:30.18 | htrp | im talkin to those who use |
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| 08:30.20 | eleftherios | Xteven, it only happens in OOo though...I wonder if X.org needs restarting in order to see the new ttf fonts I installed (in case OOo is looking for those) |
| 08:30.30 | eleftherios | I have using OOo :-( |
| 08:30.35 | eleftherios | s/have/hate |
| 08:30.50 | eleftherios | but I got sent an sxw file |
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| 08:31.43 | siimo | hi can someone please tell me how to open X programs as root user through the terminal? i get errors like "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" |
| 08:32.12 | argent | siimo, add the following line to /etc/sudoers |
| 08:32.13 | liable | siimo: gksu, kdesu, sux |
| 08:33.01 | siimo | argent: what line i dont see anything after you said that |
| 08:33.19 | argent | siimo, <username> ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 08:33.29 | argent | siimo, then run programs using sudo |
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| 08:33.38 | argent | siimo, eg. `sudo Xdialog' |
| 08:33.48 | siimo | ok thanks |
| 08:34.22 | argent | siimo, if you want it to be password-less, add this line instead: |
| 08:34.44 | argent | siimo, <username> ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 08:35.15 | siimo | ok |
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| 08:45.18 | IdahoEv | Does anyone know an easy way to extract all the From: email addresses from an mbox file? |
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| 08:45.36 | kameron | what's a suitable X server for old cards? i have some unknown video card on ISA on a p2 board.. i can't get X to start trying vesa and fbdev. |
| 08:45.41 | azeem | IdahoEv: grep |
| 08:46.01 | jm_ | kameron: there's just one server in XF 4, and several drivers |
| 08:46.19 | IdahoEv | I found this script online http://impressive.net/people/gerald/2000/12/atw, but it errors when I run it (and i don't know enough shell scripting to understand the error. Will put in pastebin in a sec... |
| 08:46.40 | kameron | jm_, driver is what i meant. i have knoppix reporting "No suitable X-Server found for your card." after trying the previously mentioned two. |
| 08:46.51 | jm_ | kameron: vesa or vga should work |
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| 08:48.25 | IdahoEv | this is the error I get when I run the above script: http://pastebin.com/643678 In particular, I don't understand the command 'cat - <<EOHD' |
| 08:48.50 | mixter | hi! i got a p4 630 with em64t support. would i benefit from running kernel-image-2.6.8-12-em64t-p4 instead of kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 that is standard in sarge? |
| 08:48.59 | IdahoEv | the script seems to want to generate another script and save it in a temporary file, but instead it is printing it to stdout |
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| 08:49.24 | jm_ | cat << FOO means print each line until you find FOO |
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| 08:50.50 | IdahoEv | ok |
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| 08:51.38 | E-bola | How can i kill a connection in debian? |
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| 08:51.45 | liable | haha, i just turned the oven on, noted the time, and after said time had passed got up to get cooked food, and realised i hadnt put said food into oven yet.. |
| 08:51.47 | E-bola | i ahve a lot of LAST_ACK |
| 08:51.51 | E-bola | listed in netstat |
| 08:51.54 | E-bola | and i wanna kill them |
| 08:51.57 | tarzeau | liable: sucks |
| 08:51.57 | iciclebox | hi, can anyone recommend a good GUI ftp program? |
| 08:51.57 | liable | E-bola: just wait |
| 08:52.03 | tarzeau | iciclebox: ftp.app |
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| 08:52.09 | E-bola | liable: i cant |
| 08:52.21 | E-bola | ohh they dispaered now |
| 08:52.22 | E-bola | hehe |
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| 08:53.10 | iciclebox | tarzeau: the package name is ftp.app? |
| 08:53.18 | tarzeau | iciclebox: yes, only in sid |
| 08:53.26 | iciclebox | I'm on sarge though |
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| 08:53.35 | tarzeau | iciclebox: waiho.app |
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| 08:53.50 | iciclebox | thanks |
| 08:54.02 | tarzeau | iciclebox: but really all gui ftp suck. try lftp |
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| 08:54.18 | iciclebox | ok thanks |
| 08:54.27 | iciclebox | sometimes I wonder if linux is really a suitable choice for a home workstation |
| 08:54.35 | tarzeau | how can i add alpha to a png image with imagemagick or netpbm command line tool? |
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| 08:54.44 | tarzeau | iciclebox: for me it is. who needs ftp still? |
| 08:55.07 | tarzeau | iciclebox: actually it is also at work. and not just for me but alot of academic people |
| 08:55.36 | tarzeau | but i agree when you say gnome or kde are not a suitable choice for a workstation |
| 08:55.49 | iciclebox | why so? |
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| 08:56.12 | tarzeau | they are just too cumbersome, slow, resource wasting, inefficient and buggy |
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| 08:56.38 | iciclebox | my sentiments exactly |
| 08:56.42 | iciclebox | what do you use instead? |
| 08:57.01 | tarzeau | gnustep/wmaker, many here use fvwm |
| 08:57.57 | iciclebox | I'll look into them |
| 08:57.59 | iciclebox | thanks |
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| 08:59.14 | iciclebox | but then again, aren't these window managers, different from gnome and kde? I thought the latter were desktop environments or something |
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| 09:00.21 | liable | iciclebox: try xfce4, its good, but less power hungry than kde/gnome, and is gnome based, and try gftp for a gui ftp client |
| 09:00.32 | tarzeau | iciclebox: gnustep together with wmaker is, if you ask me |
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| 09:01.44 | HelmutG | What might be the cause of programs (hashcash) telling me they cannot use mmx? Does mmx require special kernel support? |
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| 09:04.11 | Project_III | fluxdude, i think i've gotten things figured out. not only how to edit the menu to my liking, but also why the default "term" menu item wouldn't launch xterm... it seems it wasn't installed on my system :) |
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| 09:04.41 | kameron | jm_, got the card out, it's a ATI 28800-6 |
| 09:04.52 | sparr | When I try to play H264-encoded content with xine, totem, or kaboodle they segfault or SIGABRT. mplayer plays it fine. What might be wrong? |
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| 09:12.14 | BlackSmith | "please insert the videcards bus's identifier" |
| 09:12.57 | blondie | don't be scared. |
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| 09:13.36 | Octavian | gug |
| 09:14.00 | Octavian | Is there a way for me to create debian/changelog entries by script? |
| 09:14.12 | azeem | dch |
| 09:14.16 | BlackSmith | so what now? |
| 09:14.21 | liable | blondie: leave it blank if your on an x86 with only the one card |
| 09:14.23 | azeem | Octavian: ^^ |
| 09:14.26 | liable | BlackSmith: ^^ |
| 09:14.30 | blondie | no! :P |
| 09:14.34 | Octavian | azeem: cool, i did not know that tool |
| 09:14.43 | liable | blondie: yes! :) |
| 09:14.58 | azeem | Octavian: well, it might not do exactly what you want, but it helps at least |
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| 09:15.11 | BlackSmith | ok i leave it blank |
| 09:15.21 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 09:15.27 | Octavian | azeem: it should at least create the annoying <email> <date> line at the bottom of each changelog |
| 09:15.37 | azeem | Octavian: it does |
| 09:15.53 | Octavian | thanks! |
| 09:15.58 | azeem | or rather, it updates it, and creates a new changelog entry when run as dch -i |
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| 09:16.10 | tengulre | how to add a logo when boot time? like http://www.m17n.org/linux-sh/images/dcss00.png! |
| 09:16.21 | Project_III | fluxdude, i figured it out ;) im running fluxbox as we type :) |
| 09:17.00 | Project_III | for the record... i had to change an entry in the init file also |
| 09:17.23 | liable | tengulre: didnt we tell you how to do this before? |
| 09:17.58 | liable | tengulre: if you want to change the actual image, then you will need to dig into the kernel source |
| 09:18.06 | Octavian | bye |
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| 09:18.40 | tengulre | liable, I add the bootlog option in kernel and compiled it! but then I don't know how to do? ;( |
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| 09:21.30 | liable | tengulre: if you picked the right options, it just works (TM) |
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| 09:28.28 | is_null | anybody has an idea about the code i should add in /etc/apt/sources.list to use that repository : http://neutronic.mine.nu/unstable/ ? THank you for your help |
| 09:29.44 | streuner | is_null: use the official mirrors |
| 09:29.46 | sparr | iddqd |
| 09:30.08 | streuner | is_null: if you want to break your system add './' at the end of the line. |
| 09:30.31 | is_null | streuner: i can't find this package on official mirror |
| 09:30.46 | streuner | is_null: does the package has a name? |
| 09:31.15 | is_null | codeblocks |
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| 09:32.12 | streuner | and what is it good for? |
| 09:32.35 | is_null | streuner: ide for developping c/c++ codes |
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| 09:34.02 | is_null | streuner: i would like an ide for c/c++ developping including a debugger, like those that live-points the parsed ligne of code by the compiler |
| 09:34.38 | Myon | vim :) |
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| 09:34.58 | is_null | Myon: what is the debugger for vim please ? |
| 09:35.01 | priscila | is_null: i dont use, but afaik emacs has this features |
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| 09:35.12 | Myon | gdb :-P |
| 09:35.48 | azeem | is_null: probably eclipse does that |
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| 09:36.17 | is_null | azeem: i thought eclipse is for java ? |
| 09:36.37 | streuner | !eclipse |
| 09:36.37 | dpkg | i heard eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 09:37.02 | streuner | !factinfo eclipse |
| 09:37.02 | dpkg | eclipse -- last modified at Sat Feb 11 19:33:09 2006 by Eulex!n=alex@h31n1fls33o998.telia.com. |
| 09:37.28 | is_null | thank you for your help, i beleive i shall make it work out the way i want :) |
| 09:37.31 | azeem | is_null: it's written in java, but these days is a general-purpose IDE |
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| 09:48.06 | is_null | azeem: thank you i had just realised my mistake :) |
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| 09:50.56 | liable | Ketter_: install build-essential |
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| 09:52.22 | htrp | how do you downgrade xchat to 2.4 from 2.6.1? |
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| 09:52.39 | kombi_ | got 16.5 reqs and 73KB per second, 500Megs of free Memory and 75% idle CPU, |
| 09:52.39 | kombi_ | +still sometimes apache responds really slow. Where might the bottleneck be? |
| 09:54.17 | branneman | htrp: you don't downgrade. just uninstall and reinstall again. don forget to save your settings |
| 09:54.17 | needle | how about hdparm |
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| 09:54.39 | htrp | right now im using 2.6.1 |
| 09:54.44 | htrp | and i want 2.4 back |
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| 09:55.39 | liable | htrp: use dpkg and install it from cache |
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| 09:56.31 | htrp | oh yeah |
| 09:56.36 | jhaig | How can I find which package contains a particular file? |
| 09:57.04 | htrp | it don't show the version though |
| 09:57.35 | timo | jhaig, /msg dpkg search |
| 09:57.36 | liable | jhaig: apt-file |
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| 09:58.10 | jhaig | Thanks |
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| 10:06.55 | airox | Hello. |
| 10:07.04 | Coweater | hi |
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| 10:15.34 | airox | Good whatever! |
| 10:16.18 | dimir | \o/ |
| 10:16.20 | dimir | ye. |
| 10:16.30 | dimir | Good everythink! |
| 10:16.32 | dimir | Yahooooooooooooooo! |
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| 10:16.51 | jengelh | Gooooooooooooogle! |
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| 10:20.37 | Radius_Vector | Hi, the debian installer has this step called 'Automatic system partitioning', when I enter that, it says it will wipe clean all hard drives.. I have windows as well, and I was thinking of a double boot, can I still go ahead with the automatic system partitioning? Can I still have my data? |
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| 10:21.19 | Cashel | howdies... how unstable is the amd64 debian port and is there a good howto on it? |
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| 10:21.31 | Cashel | cant seem to find much besides the packages on debian.org.. |
| 10:21.45 | jm_ | !+amd64 |
| 10:21.45 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 10:22.05 | liable | Radius_Vector: dont let it do that, choose manual and put debian on the free space |
| 10:22.12 | Cashel | ahh many thanks bot and master :) |
| 10:22.18 | Project_III | hello - i am running debian sarge with fluxbox... how do i make gkrellm launch when fluxbox is started? |
| 10:22.42 | Radius_Vector | liable: There is no option called Manual, its either automatic or you skip the step.. Im rather confused..the earlier Sarge version had a better setup |
| 10:22.43 | jm_ | Project_III: ~/.xsession, if fluxbox does not support it |
| 10:22.44 | jhaig | I asked earlier how to find which package provides a particular file because I was looking for 'lockfile', which seems to be required by the script <http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync> for mirroring an apt source. However, I cannot find this program anywhere. I have found the package 'lockfile-progs' which provides lockfile-create, lockfile-remove and lockfile-touchlock but nothing called just 'lockfile'. Can anyone help? |
| 10:23.06 | liable | Radius_Vector: is this the etch installer or still sarge? |
| 10:23.19 | jm_ | jhaig: you did not look very hard, right? |
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| 10:23.50 | Radius_Vector | Radius_Vector: Its the latest, i think its etch? |
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| 10:23.59 | Radius_Vector | liable: sorry, that was for you. |
| 10:24.13 | Project_III | jm, that file does not exist :) |
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| 10:24.28 | jm_ | Project_III: so what do you think you should do now? and how do you start X? |
| 10:25.23 | jhaig | jm_: apt-cache search returned a list of packages, none of which contains 'lockfile' as far as I can tell from looking on "http://packages.debian.org/" and searching through dependencies. Where else do you recommend looking? |
| 10:25.37 | Project_III | jm, it starts automatically ;) thanks for the non-help all... more reading |
| 10:25.37 | jm_ | jhaig: apt-cache doesn't search for files |
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| 10:26.07 | jm_ | jhaig: you were told to read "/msg dpkg search", right? so do what it says and install apt-file |
| 10:26.26 | liable | Radius_Vector: i tried it a while back but cant remeber much about it, but it has to have the option, keep poking around in it. |
| 10:27.23 | Radius_Vector | liable:Thers this option called Automatic system partition, when I hit it, it says "Gonna erase all your hard disks clean", I dont see any other partition option in the menu :S |
| 10:27.29 | jm_ | jhaig: as for p.d.o - if you look at it, you'll notice it has two search options, you have used the upper one, which is very similar to apt-cache, use the lower one |
| 10:28.18 | jhaig | jm_: Yes, you are right. Sorry. I don't know where I got apt-cache from. |
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| 10:28.38 | bertagaz | oi |
| 10:28.54 | jm_ | jhaig: apt-cache is also very useful, but not when you want to search for files |
| 10:28.57 | liable | Radius_Vector: there must be something somewhere |
| 10:29.00 | bertagaz | anyone experienced with make-kpkg on a sempron? |
| 10:29.08 | jhaig | jm_: Thanks. I've found it now. |
| 10:29.40 | Coweater | bertagaz: nobody has every done make-kpkg on a sempron, you'll just have to ask your real question |
| 10:29.56 | bertagaz | oky :] |
| 10:30.03 | airox | Maybe install apt-file ? |
| 10:30.16 | menko | hi people, I'm trying to rebuild a package. I get this error when trying to apt-get the build dependencies: E: Build-dependencies for galeon could not be satisfied. My sources list: http://pastebin.com/643774 . Is there some extra thing I need to add to get extra build dependencies? |
| 10:30.25 | bertagaz | well I'm trying to compile my own kernel from debian sources, with debianlogo patch |
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| 10:30.37 | bertagaz | but have segfaults :/ |
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| 10:30.55 | liable | bootsplash?? |
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| 10:31.20 | bertagaz | debianlogo /= bootsplash |
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| 10:31.26 | liable | dont bother, and if you must, use a vanilla source |
| 10:32.27 | bertagaz | well in fact I compile it cause I want my own tweaked kernel with vesa fb support |
| 10:32.42 | jm_ | menko: where did you get it from? |
| 10:32.57 | liable | bertagaz: are you tengule? |
| 10:32.58 | bertagaz | even without the debianlogo patch it doesnt work |
| 10:33.05 | menko | jm_: I used the command apt-get source galeon |
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| 10:33.10 | bertagaz | liable: no dunno tengule |
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| 10:33.29 | jm_ | menko: did you run apt-get build-dep too? |
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| 10:34.20 | menko | jm_: that's the command which generates that error |
| 10:34.22 | knikker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:35.09 | smartbhai | hi people im getting this error when i try to run the pand daemon for creating an ethernet interface using bluetooth:::: pand[4968]: Bind failed. Address already in use(98) |
| 10:35.32 | bertagaz | knikker: depends of your config |
| 10:35.41 | cklaus | hi all.. im trying to make a bootstrap install of a cobalt server.... i have to log in using a serial console... but whenever i try to log in as "root" it says "Login incorrect" ... |
| 10:35.53 | cklaus | i adapted /etc/securetty to permit root logins |
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| 10:36.29 | jm_ | menko: it should tell you which could not be downloaded, this is sid afterall |
| 10:36.30 | cklaus | any other user is allowed to enter a password.. yet, upon successful pw verification i get "Unable to change tty /dev/ttyS0: Operation not permitted" .. |
| 10:36.34 | cklaus | anybody has a hint for me ? |
| 10:36.51 | menko | jm_: Yes, unfortunately it doesn't :( |
| 10:37.02 | jm_ | menko: possibly related to GNOME 2.14 upgrades? |
| 10:37.27 | jm_ | cklaus: what did you add to securetty? |
| 10:37.37 | cklaus | jm_, ttyS0 |
| 10:37.52 | menko | jm_: yes possibly, the server I'm using hasn't received any updates the past few days, so maybe it'll be cleared over the next few days |
| 10:37.55 | cklaus | smartbhai, check what other app is using that port already (netstat -tap) |
| 10:37.58 | jm_ | cklaus: what is running on it now? |
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| 10:38.02 | airox | Is there an official channel for vserver ? And does anybody knows the name of it ? |
| 10:38.10 | liable | menko: also does eth0 show in sudo ifconfig -a ?? |
| 10:38.16 | liable | meh |
| 10:38.17 | knikker | i have a /var partition |
| 10:38.22 | airox | I'm getting some error on debian when wanting to create a vserver :) |
| 10:38.25 | cklaus | jm_, an nfs-mounted minimal sarge system.. |
| 10:38.27 | knikker | and use the /etc/passwd group |
| 10:40.01 | jm_ | cklaus: tried renaming securetty file? |
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| 10:40.05 | cklaus | jm_, whtas being mounted was created by executing "debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /nfsroot-x86 http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/" |
| 10:40.14 | cklaus | jm_, to what ? |
| 10:40.24 | jm_ | cklaus: to whatever, say securetty.orig |
| 10:40.27 | smartbhai | cklaus : which is the port specified in that error message is it 98 ? |
| 10:40.51 | cklaus | smartbhai, i have no idea.. |
| 10:40.51 | Bac0n | is it possible to get lilo prompt if not "prompt" is set in lilo.conf ? |
| 10:40.55 | cklaus | jm_, moment.. ill try |
| 10:40.58 | jm_ | Bac0n: yes |
| 10:41.06 | Bac0n | how |
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| 10:41.27 | jm_ | read description for '-d delay' in man lilo |
| 10:41.29 | knikker | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.32 | Bac0n | first shift or ctrl or alt and then press a key to disable timer tab to get list .... can this be correct |
| 10:42.54 | jm_ | just one of those keys to get to prompt |
| 10:43.16 | smartbhai | cklaus : how can i use netstat to see the ports |
| 10:43.20 | Bac0n | thanks |
| 10:43.40 | jm_ | !tell smartbhai -about open ports |
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| 10:46.02 | cklaus | smartbhai, as i told you before.. netstat -tap.. if you dont know which service a port has.. --> cat /etc/services |grep servicename .. or the port number.. |
| 10:46.23 | smartbhai | cklaus and jm_ : thanks |
| 10:46.35 | cklaus | jm_, im allowed to login now.. thanks so far .. but still.. i get (as well as all other users now) "Unable to change tty /dev/ttyS0: Operation not permitted" when loggin in.. |
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| 10:46.45 | cklaus | jm_, which throws me back to the login prompt |
| 10:46.51 | cklaus | jm_, any further hints ? ;) |
| 10:46.57 | jm_ | cklaus: do you know who says that? is it login? |
| 10:47.44 | jm_ | cklaus: and seeing as you have this mounted from some other place, are you using the right mount options? |
| 10:47.53 | cklaus | jm_, humm.. cant definitely say.. it looks like something thats being executed right after login.. (since i get /etc/issue already) |
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| 10:48.31 | cklaus | jm_, i thought so.. (the nfs-share is defined as (rw, no_root_squash) .. the mount-entry in fstab with "defaults" option.. should be correct, or not ? |
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| 10:49.01 | jm_ | cklaus: issue is printed before login prompt |
| 10:49.30 | cklaus | oh.. is it ? let me check, whats being printed then... |
| 10:49.38 | NeoG | alrighty.. i'm a newb, and i've been told i need xorg-devel, and google isnt giving any clues to the package name (or apt-cache search).. help |
| 10:49.47 | jm_ | maybe you mean motd |
| 10:49.49 | cklaus | jm_, ok.. its /etc/motd.. i switched that |
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| 10:50.41 | jm_ | cklaus: yeah that's one most likely the last thing that PAM prints |
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| 10:51.39 | cklaus | jm_, i even added "allow_root" to the pam.d/login entries.. (i hope i remember correctly on that option) |
| 10:52.05 | cklaus | but ok.. i guess were past that problem already... (since im now allowed to login.) |
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| 10:52.37 | jm_ | cklaus: no need to add that, the issue is something else, but I am not quite sure what, possibly related to the fact that you're doing this over NFS |
| 10:53.43 | cklaus | jm_, yea.. i suspected the problem also somewhere there.. dammit. dont really see the error.. i guess ill have to go over "man exports" again.. |
| 10:54.04 | cklaus | jm_, thanks in any case for the help so far :) |
| 10:54.07 | jm_ | cklaus: it might be it's mounted readonly |
| 10:54.33 | cklaus | ill try to verify that and inform you, if i find the error i made.. |
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| 10:59.24 | knikker | if I reinstall and put back the backup of /etc/paswd and /var/spool, will the mail in /var/spool be preserved and mapped correctly to the users. We use imap. |
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| 11:00.04 | jm_ | why would you reinstall? and no, you'll most likely want to backup shadow and group files too |
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| 11:00.17 | knikker | of course. |
| 11:00.20 | sparr | Need to get 1033MB/1034MB of archives. After unpacking 2101kB disk space will be freed. <--- download a gig in order to free 2 megs of space |
| 11:00.29 | rempos | alguien habla español?¿ |
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| 11:00.48 | knikker | the reason to reinstall is that i am getting wierd messages from the kernel, (like as if it has rebooted, but it has not) |
| 11:01.01 | poncha | rempos, /join #debian-es |
| 11:01.16 | lewis222 | I am looking to monitor directory sizes, and ideally put it into graph form. Can MRTG or RTG do this? |
| 11:01.37 | knikker | so the mapping of the users to their mail in /var/spool will not work? |
| 11:01.49 | liable | sparr: eeek. how long since you upgraded? |
| 11:01.58 | knikker | I have /var as a partition, i will not format it |
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| 11:03.04 | knikker | probably 2 years |
| 11:03.08 | jm_ | knikker: it's trivial to write plugins for munin, I suggest you to use that instead |
| 11:03.17 | jm_ | wait wrong person |
| 11:03.19 | jm_ | lewis222 ^^^^^^^ |
| 11:03.38 | knikker | hehe : -) |
| 11:03.48 | lewis222 | looking up munin now, thanks |
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| 11:04.33 | jm_ | it has df plugin, you should be able to adapt it for du |
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| 11:05.01 | knikker | nobody has reinstalled a mailserver? |
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| 11:05.04 | knikker | :-) |
| 11:05.38 | lewis222 | is it basically like MRTG? I can see that it uses RRD |
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| 11:06.32 | jm_ | well MRTG uses only SNMP, munin doesn't use that, except for a few plugins |
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| 11:06.40 | airox | Or maybe use Cacti. |
| 11:07.22 | jm_ | lewis222: go here and take a look http://munin.ping.uio.no/ |
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| 11:08.58 | lewis222 | airox: Cacti is just a web interface for MRTG/RRD as far as I can remember |
| 11:09.06 | mixter | i need to compile a module for my network card (e1000). do i need to install the entire kernel-source or would kernel-headers do? |
| 11:09.14 | Renegade | x-windows-system-core is to download the windows system core right? |
| 11:09.15 | airox | lewis222: yep. |
| 11:09.47 | jm_ | mixter: kernel has support for that, why do you want to compile it? |
| 11:10.05 | liable | mixter: errr, e1000 is in the kernel |
| 11:10.13 | lewis222 | jm_: munin looks ideal - too bad I didn't know about it earlier |
| 11:10.14 | mixter | jm_: it seems like a need a newer version, the kernel doesn't recognise my card |
| 11:10.18 | Renegade | how can i download the x-system-core? |
| 11:10.18 | lewis222 | jm_: any disadvantages to it? |
| 11:10.37 | jm_ | mixter: right, updated kernel would work, but to answer your question, headers should do |
| 11:11.04 | jm_ | lewis222: not that I can see, it's really simple to write your own plugins, which is a big bonus |
| 11:11.16 | mixter | jm_: i got the latest packaged in debian. prefer that before compiling my own kernel. thanks! i'll try with just the headers |
| 11:11.17 | jm_ | Renegade: with apt-get ... |
| 11:11.27 | jm_ | mixter: yeah use backports if you need 2.6.15 |
| 11:11.29 | liable | Renegade: its x-window-system-core |
| 11:11.46 | mixter | jm_: ok! thanks... |
| 11:11.58 | xirjs | i have a ldap-pam auth system using ssh2 from ssh.com ... it works well using sshd -d (debug) ... without debug option on ssh2 it does not return a shell on ssh-login ... any ideas/experiences on that issue? |
| 11:12.14 | knikker | (just a repeat :-) ) Hi! We have a mailserver, and have to reinstall it. I use sendmail / imap. If i reinstall it and preserve the /var partition, will the usermapping to their mail work, so that the users will find their mail in squirrelmail or their imap/thunderbird? |
| 11:12.25 | Renegade | jm_: is it x-system-windows-core ? |
| 11:12.33 | jm_ | Renegade: no |
| 11:12.37 | Renegade | jm_ : thanks |
| 11:12.42 | jm_ | Renegade: <liable> Renegade: its x-window-system-core |
| 11:12.57 | jm_ | without the extra 's' |
| 11:12.57 | plbgnr | hello, is there command line tool for converting openoffice2 document (odt) to text file? sth like antiword ??? I need it for working with couple of documents ...extracting data |
| 11:15.35 | sparr | plbgnr: http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/33558/odt2txt.zip |
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| 11:17.47 | plbgnr | sparr: thanks :) ...i did google ;) but I am not so good in thatmc |
| 11:18.15 | plbgnr | s/thatmc/that/ |
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| 11:20.28 | lewis222 | jm_: thanks for the recommendation - going to install now |
| 11:20.43 | lewis222 | on a completely separate note, when is etch going stable? |
| 11:21.06 | jm_ | !etch release date |
| 11:21.14 | jm_ | gotta remember the factoid |
| 11:21.16 | liable | !wwer |
| 11:21.16 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 11:21.27 | jm_ | ohh thanks |
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| 11:22.27 | liable | np :) |
| 11:22.32 | lewis222 | so, December 2006 ish |
| 11:22.33 | lewis222 | thanks |
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| 11:23.44 | SeFoKumA | hi |
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| 11:23.55 | sparr | when will etch release? |
| 11:24.05 | SeFoKumA | where i can found net-inst iso for ppc(sid)? |
| 11:24.25 | jm_ | SeFoKumA: the same place as other netinst images |
| 11:24.28 | liable | SeFoKumA: there arent any sid installers |
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| 11:26.40 | ootput | hi guys, are there any alternatives to centericq or irssi+bitlebee on the commandline for multi-protocol messaging? |
| 11:27.39 | azeem | there's irssi-plugin-icq |
| 11:27.48 | azeem | but that doesn't work as well as bitlbee IME |
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| 11:30.42 | tarzeau | why does debian not build k8 kernels? |
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| 11:31.57 | azeem | what is k8? |
| 11:32.12 | jm_ | Athlon64 |
| 11:32.13 | tarzeau | linux-image-2.6-k7 - Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD K7 machines |
| 11:32.18 | tarzeau | like that but for, what jm_ says |
| 11:32.28 | azeem | why don't you use amd64? |
| 11:32.46 | tarzeau | because of binary software that is not available for amd64 |
| 11:32.49 | azeem | is the k8 subarch so much better than k7? |
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| 11:32.53 | jm_ | kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 |
| 11:32.56 | jm_ | I see it |
| 11:33.00 | tarzeau | azeem: is the k7 subarch so muchb etter than k6? |
| 11:33.05 | azeem | tarzeau: yes |
| 11:33.05 | tarzeau | jm_: i don't |
| 11:33.09 | tarzeau | azeem: yes |
| 11:33.15 | azeem | uhm? |
| 11:33.17 | jm_ | tarzeau: it tells me it would be downloaded from http://security.debian.org |
| 11:33.28 | azeem | there's a pretty big difference between k6 and k7 AFAIK |
| 11:33.44 | azeem | I didn't know there was such a big difference between k7 and k8 |
| 11:33.52 | azeem | in 32bit mode, of course |
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| 11:34.39 | kroddn | hi |
| 11:34.51 | kroddn | what is the command for searching for a channel? |
| 11:35.06 | tarzeau | kroddn: /list -YES and /lastlog SEARCH |
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| 11:35.40 | NeoG | would there be a big difference between using the kernel installed with debian-cd, and recompiling the same kernel (assuming it compiles with 686/P3 optimisations)? |
| 11:35.55 | jm_ | NeoG: no, and Debian has kernels optimized for 686 |
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| 11:36.16 | NeoG | alrighty.. |
| 11:36.26 | jm_ | well I guess it depends on what you're doing and what is considered big I suppose |
| 11:36.57 | azeem | WRT K8? |
| 11:37.00 | plbgnr | sparr: which version of xsltproc do you use? ...because it send nothing to standard output for me ... |
| 11:37.07 | NeoG | nothing important.. but on an older laptop every bit of speed helps |
| 11:37.17 | jm_ | naah, 386 and 686 |
| 11:37.17 | sparr | plbgnr: i have no idea. i just googled |
| 11:37.34 | tarzeau | azeem: is there benchmarks of improvements for all sorts of kernels , like 386,486,586,686... smp or not, 1,4,64gb ? |
| 11:37.42 | tarzeau | s,is,are, |
| 11:37.42 | azeem | dunno |
| 11:37.43 | kroddn | grml |
| 11:38.43 | NeoG | i thought the improvement in smp kernels would be pretty apparent |
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| 11:38.57 | tarzeau | NeoG: i mean running smp kernel on single cpu machines |
| 11:39.25 | tarzeau | NeoG: and HIGHMEM_64 on lowmem machines |
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| 11:40.33 | sm0ketst | morning |
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| 11:41.29 | helen_ | hi, hot sure how. I have forgot my root pwd. Is there any way to reset it? |
| 11:41.35 | jm_ | yes |
| 11:41.56 | helen_ | Not reinstall though ;) |
| 11:42.01 | nkuttler | helen_: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 11:42.05 | jm_ | there |
| 11:42.13 | helen_ | ok thanx :)) |
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| 11:44.01 | helen_ | cool thanks v much! |
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| 11:45.16 | minimusX | .. |
| 11:45.51 | liable | ?? .. ?? |
| 11:45.53 | kroddn | does anyone know if a channel for IRCD-hybrid exists? |
| 11:45.55 | rovragge | hello. If I want to capture a tcp stream without any headers just the data and write it to a file, what tool is most suitable? |
| 11:46.14 | predius_ | kroddn: look on their site |
| 11:46.19 | predius_ | kroddn: they have a server |
| 11:46.21 | jm_ | rovragge: you can write your own application using libpcap |
| 11:46.32 | kroddn | thats the ironic point |
| 11:46.44 | kroddn | they dont list any irc server nor channel :) |
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| 11:48.27 | jm_ | rovragge: and Ethereal might let you save it to a file too, let me check |
| 11:50.04 | rovragge | jm_: using follow stream? |
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| 11:50.16 | meServah | hi guys |
| 11:50.22 | meServah | I've got a small problem |
| 11:50.46 | meServah | I installed gnome but when I try to execute gnome-session, it says= "cannot open display" |
| 11:50.49 | jm_ | rovragge: yeah, it does let you save it |
| 11:51.17 | meServah | I installed the gnome and the gnome-common packages |
| 11:51.22 | streuner | !tell meServah about wm |
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| 11:51.35 | sm0ketst | new to debian, is there gcc 3.3.2 available ? |
| 11:51.50 | jm_ | meServah: you don't just execute that in shell |
| 11:52.01 | streuner | meServah: put 'exec gnome-session' into ~/.xsession |
| 11:52.57 | meServah | and how do you put something? sorry, but I'm completely new to this :) |
| 11:53.10 | streuner | edit |
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| 11:53.35 | Greek-Boy | when will be php5 be available for debian? |
| 11:53.42 | streuner | it is |
| 11:53.48 | streuner | !info php5 |
| 11:53.51 | jpinto | Hi, is it possible to have a dynamic fstab? |
| 11:53.53 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.1.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 11:54.11 | azeem | jpinto: pmount sort of does that |
| 11:54.12 | jm_ | jpinto: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:54.13 | liable | meServah: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome gdm |
| 11:54.25 | azeem | RedHat is frobbing fstab for their auto-mounting I think |
| 11:54.35 | jpinto | i'm trying to have fstab dynamically updated when i plug in my usb pen drive |
| 11:54.44 | jm_ | there's no need to do that |
| 11:54.45 | azeem | jpinto: look into pmount |
| 11:54.49 | Greek-Boy | streuner, its available via apt-get? |
| 11:54.52 | azeem | or gnome-volume-manager if you run GNOME |
| 11:54.59 | jpinto | azeem: thanks |
| 11:55.00 | azeem | jpinto: or udev/hal |
| 11:55.00 | jm_ | jpinto: or autofs or usbmount |
| 11:55.12 | Greek-Boy | mail:~# apt-cache search php5 |
| 11:55.12 | azeem | jm_: ugh, that's legacy, no? |
| 11:55.13 | Greek-Boy | mail:~# |
| 11:55.15 | streuner | Greek-Boy: of course, in unstable |
| 11:55.19 | streuner | !info php5 etch |
| 11:55.19 | jm_ | azeem: what is? |
| 11:55.23 | azeem | autofs |
| 11:55.25 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.1.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 11:55.28 | azeem | usbmount as well, probably |
| 11:55.30 | jpinto | jm_: i've had bad experiences with autofs |
| 11:55.34 | streuner | and etch, but not for sarge |
| 11:55.35 | Greek-Boy | oh i c |
| 11:55.46 | jm_ | why would it be legacy? it works very well and was updated for 2.6 kernel, and usbmount needs udev |
| 11:55.53 | meServah | liable when I installed that, what's next? |
| 11:55.54 | azeem | jm_: ok then |
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| 11:56.09 | Greek-Boy | is it easy to upgrade the kernel via apt-get? |
| 11:56.12 | jpinto | jm_: i'm trying to have dynamically updated so kde can show or hide it dynamically |
| 11:56.22 | liable | meServah: you should have gnome running :) |
| 11:56.29 | jm_ | jpinto: yeah KDE or GNOME are another matter and they have their own tools to do it |
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| 11:56.37 | liable | meServah: then you can enjoy .. um . gnome. |
| 11:56.42 | meServah | ah lol, I'll give it a try thanks |
| 11:56.53 | Greek-Boy | must i do apt-get kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 ? |
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| 11:56.55 | jpinto | jm_: hmm.. i think kde just keeps checking fstab |
| 11:57.12 | Greek-Boy | i'm on 2.4.27-2-386 at the moment |
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| 11:57.55 | mixter | i'm trying to compile a kernel module but get the error "code model kernel not supported in the 32-bit mode". i'm running sarge with a kernel för intel em64t. do i need to exchange gcc to a 64-bit version or something? |
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| 11:59.26 | lewis222 | silly question - to delete a symbolic link, just rm? I don't want to risk deleting the file |
| 11:59.33 | blondie | yes |
| 11:59.38 | mixter | lewis222: no problems, rm will just delete the link |
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| 12:00.09 | jm_ | jpinto: #debian-kde or #kde should be able to help with it |
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| 12:00.14 | pengol | Hi there I upgraded a stable with the kernel to 2.6.8-16sarge1 and it is not booting anymore ... any clue? |
| 12:00.25 | jpinto | jm_: thanks |
| 12:00.43 | pengol | kernel doesn't find the root partition |
| 12:00.55 | mixter | pengol: did you have a 2.4 kernel before? |
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| 12:01.04 | kroddn | does anyone know how to confiure hybrid-ircd to allow more than X Connections from one IP (e.g. the CGI-IRC-Webserver IP) |
| 12:01.09 | liable | pengol: where did you get that kernel? sarge is up to -3 now. do you have security in sources? |
| 12:01.10 | pengol | mixter: no |
| 12:01.21 | pengol | liable: yes I have |
| 12:01.25 | pengol | liable: why? |
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| 12:04.08 | liable | pengol: nm. does the 2.4 one still boot? |
| 12:04.16 | pengol | liable: shure |
| 12:04.20 | pengol | *sure |
| 12:04.21 | jm_ | kroddn: Y line specifies number of connections |
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| 12:04.34 | liable | pengol: you are in it now? |
| 12:04.38 | kroddn | jm_: i use version 7.x.x |
| 12:04.44 | pengol | yes |
| 12:04.46 | kroddn | there are no Y lines any more :-( |
| 12:04.46 | liable | pengol: paste your menu.lst |
| 12:04.51 | liable | pengol: to a paster |
| 12:05.03 | jm_ | kroddn: ahh they have modified the format |
| 12:05.13 | Bud_Lite | Are /etc/network/if-up.d and if-down.d scripts executed for all network interfaces? |
| 12:05.14 | kroddn | what was the old format? |
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| 12:05.32 | kroddn | i can modify the IP limit for normal users... but i dont want to do thwis |
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| 12:06.38 | rvsjoen | I downloaded a source package with apt-get source, how do I build it to get a .deb package ? |
| 12:06.55 | kroddn | rvsjoen: apt-get source xxxxx --compile |
| 12:06.56 | jm_ | rvsjoen: debuild makes it trivial |
| 12:07.02 | jm_ | or apt-get -b |
| 12:07.03 | pengol | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2317 |
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| 12:07.49 | rvsjoen | wouldn't apt-get download the source again first, then build ? |
| 12:07.54 | jm_ | pengol: your fstab still says hdb, right? |
| 12:07.55 | kroddn | rvsjoen: no |
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| 12:08.01 | jm_ | sorry hdd |
| 12:08.02 | kroddn | it will use the downloaded one |
| 12:08.10 | rvsjoen | ok, thanks |
| 12:08.14 | tralala | does 2.4.27 support hotplug? I'm asking because I wonder if it will work with the eagle-usb driver that requires hotplug. |
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| 12:08.59 | jm_ | tralala: yes |
| 12:09.11 | tralala | thanks, jm_ |
| 12:10.23 | darkness | Are there any good iso burning tools on linux? |
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| 12:10.49 | liable | cdrecord and its frontends (k3b being popular) |
| 12:10.51 | chrisf | anyone who could help me with apache / ftp problem? its the owner of a folder that I have problems with.. if I set the owner to www-data (apache), then apache can write to the folders.. but proftpd cant.. if I set the owner to 10000 which is the user account number in proftpd, then proftpd can write to that folder.. but apache cant.. how can I solve it?? |
| 12:10.53 | kartik | darkfires, xcdroast |
| 12:10.54 | pengol | jm_: hdd1 but previous kernel did work |
| 12:10.55 | Ronin | darkness: of course |
| 12:11.09 | jm_ | pengol: well it thinks it should be sda1 now |
| 12:11.10 | darkness | Ones that will handle HFS? |
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| 12:11.25 | liable | pengol: 2.6 sees the controller as scsi, so you need to change fstab |
| 12:11.45 | jm_ | pengol: one way arround this would be to use e2label maybe |
| 12:11.53 | pengol | jm_: liable: old 2.6 kernel worked |
| 12:12.00 | liable | pengol: you can have 2.4 or 2.6, but you cant boot both |
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| 12:12.29 | darkness | jm_, old hostsdeny is working great. Already got ten ip's listed in two days from someone in China. |
| 12:12.49 | jm_ | darkness: I noticed a security update for it the other day |
| 12:12.57 | pengol | jm_: I'll use the LABEL ... it is better |
| 12:13.08 | darkness | jm_, will apt-get update handle that? |
| 12:13.33 | jm_ | darkness: well does the place you downloaded it form have an updated version? if so, then yes |
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| 12:14.09 | gporcel | What's the latest stable kernel in the 2.4 series on sarge? |
| 12:14.22 | kartik | darkness, xcdroast |
| 12:14.36 | jm_ | gporcel: apt-cache will find all available kernels |
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| 12:14.57 | gporcel | The reason I ask is that I have two machines running Sarge each up to date and they show different kernel revisions when running uname -a |
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| 12:15.19 | freeone3000 | Why is my manpage package trying to overwrite my modutils? (Unstable) |
| 12:15.25 | jm_ | well possibly one uses security updated kernel, and the other doesn't, or one uses older security update and so on |
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| 12:16.05 | gporcel | jm_: That would make sense, but they both have the same sources.list file and I have consistently applied patches to both of them. |
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| 12:16.23 | jm_ | gporcel: find out where it was installed from and what versions are available |
| 12:16.57 | gporcel | jm_: One last thing, kernels would also be delivered via apt-get update & apt-get upgrade right? |
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| 12:17.07 | gporcel | Or would I have to manually install them with dpkg? |
| 12:17.08 | airox | I have a question concerning shell scripts. If I run a shell script from another shell script, would the shell script that is been run from the other be able to see variables declared in the including shell script ? |
| 12:17.44 | liable | airox: try #bash |
| 12:17.47 | airox | Ok. |
| 12:17.48 | jm_ | gporcel: for security upgrades this is true yeah |
| 12:17.54 | gporcel | ok, thanks |
| 12:18.25 | jm_ | airox: not unless you source it |
| 12:18.36 | Jhair | airox: it does if you run . another_shell_script.sh (note the dot) from within shell_script.sh |
| 12:19.01 | pengol | nothing good it do not work also with sda1 in the fstab |
| 12:19.28 | airox | GREAT! :D |
| 12:19.51 | mixter | should there be any problems installing a em64t-kernel from backports? dpkg -i complains the architecture (amd64) doesn't match my system (i386), but i already run the em64t-kernel from sarge |
| 12:21.10 | liable | pengol: need to be sdd1 |
| 12:21.17 | gporcel | I was just hoping someone could confirm what the latest "blessed by Debian devs "2.4 kernel is. When I do apt-cache search kernel | grep "2.4" it shows me that the latest one is 2.4.27.3, which is not the one I am running. |
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| 12:21.55 | liable | pengol: and if you have edited fstab to say sda1, your 2.4 kernel wont boot now either.. :( |
| 12:22.07 | pengol | liable: it did |
| 12:22.39 | jm_ | gporcel: DSA 1018-2 says 2.4.27-3-686_2.4.27-10sarge2 |
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| 12:22.58 | mixter | gporcel: it seems to be 2.4.27-3 according to packages.debian.org |
| 12:23.05 | liable | pengol: hrm, actually i just noticed that grub menu said sda1.. thats a bit strange. |
| 12:23.06 | pengol | liable: and took sda1 as well I think there is something wrong with the security kernel |
| 12:23.19 | tarzeau | streuner: get links2 now, it's got https:// |
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| 12:23.28 | pengol | liable: don't thinks so cause it is the first scsi device |
| 12:23.37 | jm_ | pengol: does it detect the disk at all? |
| 12:23.44 | pengol | jm_: shure |
| 12:23.52 | jm_ | pengol: I mean 2.6 kernel |
| 12:23.53 | pengol | *sure ... |
| 12:24.05 | pengol | jm_: it detect it |
| 12:24.11 | pengol | but says resource not free |
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| 12:24.43 | jm_ | pengol: huh? |
| 12:24.57 | liable | pengol: and the 2.4 booted when your / was set to sda1?? |
| 12:24.59 | quiet | hrm... i installed etch onto a server... and it doesn't boot... I think it's missing the cpqarray in the initramfs... is there any way to fix this? |
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| 12:25.16 | quiet | i used the binary disc 1 from the latest weekly build. |
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| 12:25.26 | jm_ | quiet: rebuild initrd image so that it will be included |
| 12:25.29 | pengol | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.45 | pengol | jm_: just befor kernel panic it says resource not free |
| 12:25.46 | quiet | jm_, how?? If i can't boot the system? |
| 12:25.53 | emili | hello there, i want to ask you about a program that i could use to convert from .mpc to .mp3 to be working with a GUI... |
| 12:25.57 | jm_ | quiet: rescue media to the rescue |
| 12:25.59 | liable | quiet: CHROOT |
| 12:26.07 | liable | oops, capslock |
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| 12:26.22 | jm_ | pengol: well would need to see the screen |
| 12:26.23 | darkness | MMMmmm, isn't dpkg -p denyhosts the way to find what version of that package i have? |
| 12:26.35 | quiet | what all is required to chroot into debian?? is it similar to when you do all the crap from instaling gentoo... mounting /proc and all that bullshit? |
| 12:26.43 | jm_ | darkness: -s |
| 12:26.49 | liable | pengol: show me your fstab |
| 12:27.09 | pengol | liable: sda1 |
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| 12:31.05 | pengol | liable: jm_ I'll try with the new kernel ... do you have a good debmirror command line to update my repository? |
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| 12:31.46 | emili | i want to ask you about a program that i could use to convert from .mpc to .mp3 to be working with a GUI...could you give me an example of software to use? |
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| 12:32.25 | cahoot | emili: gnormalize looks like it could do that |
| 12:32.45 | cahoot | emili: all according to good old google |
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| 12:34.57 | emili | cahoot: i've installed an RPM to my debian but this is what i get: |
| 12:34.58 | emili | i want to ask you about a program that i could use to convert from .mpc to .mp3 to be working with a GUI... |
| 12:35.03 | emili | sh-2.05b# gnormalize |
| 12:35.04 | emili | Can't locate Gtk2.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/gnormalize line 2. |
| 12:35.04 | emili | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/gnormalize line 2. |
| 12:35.04 | emili | sh-2.05b# |
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| 12:35.25 | liable | pengol: an apt-get update would be a good start seeing as you have -2 and -3 is the current kernel |
| 12:35.27 | emili | sorry, i've dropped too many lines |
| 12:35.43 | emili | cahoot: check #flood |
| 12:35.59 | cahoot | emili: seldom a good idea to install foreign pkgs on debian |
| 12:36.06 | lewis222 | with munin, how do you have different plugins shown for different nodes? (i.e. I don't want the exim plugin for a 2nd node) |
| 12:36.09 | pengol | liable: I have a local repository ... I need machines to upgrade from it |
| 12:36.21 | quiet | okay, i booted up knoppix.. i chrooted into debian.. i believe it uses mkinitramfs to build the initrd... how do i tell it to use cpqarray? |
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| 12:38.03 | pengol | I'm using http://channels.debian.net/paste/2318 but it do not update the repository |
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| 12:38.12 | pengol | with the new kernel version |
| 12:38.14 | liable | !mirrors |
| 12:38.15 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 12:38.34 | Zanton | hi |
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| 12:38.57 | Zanton | did someone successfully install a canon lbp 3000 ? |
| 12:39.15 | jm_ | lewis222: remove it in /etc/munin/plugins |
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| 12:39.22 | madroach | hi, has anyone here experience with diskless nfs-rooted clients? Can I expect a reasoable performance running gnome/kde and openoffice on 100MBit? one 1000MBit Server, 15 100Mbit clients. |
| 12:39.25 | pengol | liable: I need to male a local mirror ... no to use one |
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| 12:40.16 | liable | pengol: you cant use the net to get updates? |
| 12:41.01 | pengol | liable: I have 16 machines ... I would prefere to have a local repository |
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| 12:41.59 | cahoot | emili: gtk2.pm seems to be in libgtk2-perl - you might try install that (the debian way) |
| 12:42.12 | liable | pengol: so update your local mirror server |
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| 12:42.27 | ICU | pengol, hmm would apt-proxy be sufficient for you? :) |
| 12:42.40 | pengol | ICU: why? |
| 12:42.41 | emili | cahoot ok thanks, wait till i install it |
| 12:42.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:42.47 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 12:43.49 | ICU | pengol, why mirror all packages if just some would be enough? |
| 12:43.55 | harleyg | im getting a pre-header read failed when using mimms (0.0.9), anyone know how to fix this? |
| 12:43.57 | lewis222 | jm_: ah - the client has the plugins, not the server |
| 12:44.19 | jm_ | lewis222: right |
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| 12:44.35 | lewis222 | jm_: nevermind me :P |
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| 12:44.52 | lewis222 | time to write some custom plugins |
| 12:45.28 | pengol | ICU: I'm just getting 386 packages |
| 12:46.27 | ICU | pengol, yes, all i386 packages :) |
| 12:46.43 | harleyg | anyone? |
| 12:46.49 | pengol | ICU: I don't mind having them |
| 12:47.55 | ICU | pengol, i love the mirror script for setting up my local mirror |
| 12:48.16 | pengol | ICU: which mirror script? |
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| 12:48.26 | harleyg | hey, thanks for nothing :| |
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| 12:48.40 | Cicero_ | hi all |
| 12:49.43 | ICU | pengol, http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror#how |
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| 12:50.26 | pingouin | how to make an .iso file from a cd in my drive ? |
| 12:50.39 | flosch | hi |
| 12:51.05 | CAiRO | how can i copy all files starting with a dot from one dir to another? i have the problem when i say /dir/.* that this includes '/dir/..' and it copies the contents of the parent directory too |
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| 12:52.36 | jm_ | CAiRO: you could use find+grep+xargs if your shell doesn't offer you better options |
| 12:52.49 | CAiRO | jm_: my shell is bash, which one has better options? |
| 12:52.56 | jm_ | CAiRO: zsh :) |
| 12:52.59 | Dima13 | elleo? |
| 12:53.02 | CAiRO | ok, i'll switch |
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| 12:53.15 | jm_ | don't switch just because of that, you'll need to learn how to use it |
| 12:53.51 | CAiRO | well, yes, but i find this behaviour quite strange.. maybe there's a way to turn it off for bash |
| 12:53.59 | Nayot | Does anyone know how to get ldap to authenticate ssh login? |
| 12:54.14 | mixter | CAiRO: if you don't use -r to cp, it shouldn't copy the .. dir |
| 12:54.15 | jm_ | Nayot: ssh uses PAM for authentication |
| 12:54.53 | harleyg | god damn it can someone help me? |
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| 12:55.20 | Nayot | jm_: I modified common_account common_password and common_auth, console login was fine, but ssh stuck!! |
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| 12:55.47 | CAiRO | mixter: i think the problem is bash as it subsitutes /dir/.. for /dir/.* which is not what i want |
| 12:55.50 | liable | harleyg: maybe no one knows? |
| 12:55.56 | harleyg | pfft |
| 12:56.41 | jm_ | Nayot: verify /etc/pam.d/ssh and login if they're OK |
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| 12:57.02 | mixter | CAiRO: ah! ok... then i misunderstood. |
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| 12:57.41 | r3tex | is there any sane way to have xorg-7 on testing? |
| 12:58.19 | Nayot | jm_:ssh in pam.d looks fine to me. It includes the common-* files into it. |
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| 12:58.49 | zamaliphe | in kde help pag i found that "Add the following to your init files." but whear is the init file? |
| 12:59.35 | zamaliphe | how i can found it ? |
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| 12:59.45 | pengol | ICU: lovely, thanks |
| 13:00.18 | jm_ | Nayot: in that case it should work the same for both |
| 13:00.42 | Nayot | jm_: I think so :( But it didn't :~~~ |
| 13:00.49 | jm_ | Nayot: unless somebody of course disabled UsePAM in sshd_config |
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| 13:01.34 | plbgnr | CAiRO: this doesn't include . and .. "find . -name '.*' -type f" |
| 13:01.41 | Nayot | jm_:Good idea. I'll take a look. |
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| 13:02.22 | pd273 | Hi there all |
| 13:02.25 | CAiRO | plbgnr: ok, thanks, i'm just asking this in #bash, there seem to be an option to make * include also includes files starting with a dot |
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| 13:03.17 | pd273 | I was looking for a good Dedicated server provider which will have Debian installed, does anybody here have experiences with any providers |
| 13:03.36 | Ruede | hi all |
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| 13:03.45 | richard15 | the planet has been pretty good for me. |
| 13:03.49 | Nayot | jm_:Ahhhh ... my sshd_config says 'UsePAM yes' |
| 13:03.59 | jm_ | Nayot: yeah that's the default |
| 13:04.44 | pengol | which Packages file hold kernel-image-2.6.8-3 ??? |
| 13:04.52 | Nayot | jm_:Oh dear!! There must be something wrong :( |
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| 13:05.07 | LSorensen | pengol: sarge would have the closest to that |
| 13:05.08 | jm_ | Nayot: check if PAM LDAP modules support debugging |
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| 13:05.59 | Nayot | jm_: Well, I use the Debian Sarge standard one. . |
| 13:06.09 | Nayot | jm_: How can I check? |
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| 13:06.47 | zamaliphe | in kde help pag i found that "Add the following to your init files." how to edit the init file it is a binry?help |
| 13:07.46 | toffie | hey all.. anyone who could help me with sftp problem in DW MX 2004?? |
| 13:07.47 | rhalff_ | anyone know a gui program to compare two directories recursively with eachother ? |
| 13:07.52 | jm_ | Nayot: well just try it and see, there was someone here once who has used LDAP, but I don't quite remember if it was only for lookups (libnss-ldap) or libpam-ldap |
| 13:07.59 | rhalff_ | meld only can compare two different files. |
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| 13:08.23 | jm_ | rhalff_: compare for what? |
| 13:08.30 | rhalff_ | jm_, changes :) |
| 13:08.34 | jm_ | rhalff_: diff |
| 13:08.53 | rhalff_ | jm_, yes but then I get a 1.8 mb diff list |
| 13:09.06 | richard15 | Question: I'm having some trouble with chroot; I've got no connectivity inside the environment anymore. |
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| 13:09.10 | jm_ | rhalff_: well isn't that you want - a list of changes? |
| 13:09.15 | Nayot | jm_: I found something in the auth.log file. PAM: user not known. Strange. |
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| 13:09.33 | pengol | LSorensen: closest? |
| 13:09.43 | rhalff_ | jm_, yes, but I want it presented file by file, file structure of the dirs are the same, only the content differs. |
| 13:09.54 | imatsu | somebody knows as they are the officials repos debian sid amd64? |
| 13:09.54 | jm_ | Nayot: right, that sounds dodgy |
| 13:10.00 | jm_ | rhalff_: so you only want to know if files differ? |
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| 13:10.26 | rhalff_ | jm_, no I want to see what differs, then click next, next, next, like reviewing :p |
| 13:10.31 | Nayot | jm_: Thanks anyway. I've gotta go. Will come back later :) |
| 13:10.54 | toffie | please anyone who could help me with sftp problem?? |
| 13:11.21 | blondie | just ask your question. |
| 13:11.22 | jm_ | rhalff_: ahh graphical diff? |
| 13:11.43 | imatsu | somebody knows as they are the officials repos debian sid amd64? -> /etc/apt/source.list |
| 13:11.53 | rhalff_ | jm_, yes but review recursively without having to select each file set by hand. |
| 13:11.56 | toffie | I have problem with Dreamweaver connecting to sftp on my debian puter.. it says "wrong account information " |
| 13:12.03 | rhalff_ | meld only let's me select two files by hand. |
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| 13:12.48 | richard15 | Can anyone offer suggestions about why network connectivity in a chroot environment would stop? I was previously able to install packages via apt, etc. |
| 13:12.57 | rhalff_ | ah ok it probably doesn't exists, I can do it with scripting, but would be nice if something like that was available |
| 13:13.22 | klikklak | has anyone else experienced evolution crashing recently? ... it's been happening for a couple days now and when restarted it works for a half a minute and then hangs. |
| 13:13.32 | abrotman | klikklak: moment |
| 13:13.36 | Ronin | klikklak: etch or sid? |
| 13:13.40 | klikklak | etch |
| 13:13.45 | mixter | i can't seem too find any em64t kernels for i386 on backports. is there any reason for why none has been published? |
| 13:13.52 | abrotman | klikklak: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 13:14.15 | abrotman | klikklak: the G_SLICE thing will help |
| 13:14.26 | klikklak | right |
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| 13:15.35 | pingouin | how to make an .iso file from a cd in my drive ? |
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| 13:15.56 | ale_ryu | hey, how do I search for an installed kernel module? |
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| 13:16.14 | pingouin | ale_ryu: lsmod in root |
| 13:16.17 | De_Mon | is there any magic I can preform on a 6 gig HD image with only 2gigs of data in it, to burn it to a dvd? |
| 13:16.21 | ale_ryu | thanks! |
| 13:16.23 | pingouin | ale_ryu: or in root use : modconf |
| 13:16.29 | jm_ | De_Mon: compress it? |
| 13:16.36 | stew | pingouin: cp /dev/cdrom /path/to/blah.iso |
| 13:16.43 | abrotman | pingouin: dd |
| 13:16.44 | liable | richard15: is your resolv.conf right? |
| 13:16.52 | toffie | anyone who got time to help me on my dreamweaver problem? |
| 13:16.53 | abrotman | ale_ryu: ones available or ones used? |
| 13:16.53 | De_Mon | jm_ yeah.. but it's not mountable if I do that :( |
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| 13:17.03 | davi__ | [tora]: I am compiling tora. How to get PostgreSQL driver support. I have installed all the PostgreSQL packages, even the 'dev' one. Note I am on Sarge. |
| 13:17.08 | pingouin | abrotman: gonna check that,thanks you |
| 13:17.18 | pingouin | stew: so simple ?! thank you also |
| 13:17.21 | jm_ | De_Mon: yeah |
| 13:17.25 | stew | pingouin: yes, that simple |
| 13:17.54 | pingouin | stew: gonna be a «real» iso9660 ? |
| 13:18.08 | r3tex | anyone here running etch on their thinkpads? (t42p preferrably ;) |
| 13:18.08 | abrotman | Ronin: maybe barry manilow would be better? |
| 13:18.10 | richard15 | liable: it appears not. |
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| 13:18.21 | stew | pingouin: yes, assuming that is what is on the cd |
| 13:18.29 | Ronin | abrotman: umm the average here is in the 50s, that may attract them |
| 13:18.33 | De_Mon | I've seen images where something like symlinks are used to burn the same file with different names without additional drive usage, thought there might be a similar technique for this |
| 13:18.40 | abrotman | Ronin: oh .. yes .. bad idea |
| 13:18.52 | imatsu | somebody knows as they are the officials repos debian sid amd64? -> /etc/apt/source.list |
| 13:19.09 | ale_ryu | I'm checking my installed modules and after a kernel upgrade my ethernet modules are gone! the weird part is that I'm connected through my Via Rhine ethernet card to the internet, and I can get into some sites, but not all |
| 13:19.23 | klikklak | abrotman: thanks, it really did help |
| 13:19.23 | liable | imatsu: amd64 isnt official *yet*, but there are repos for it. |
| 13:19.30 | stew | liable: yes it is |
| 13:19.40 | ale_ryu | tried using my old kernel and the modules are gone from that one too |
| 13:19.40 | abrotman | klikklak: should be fixed .. in a week or so from what i gathered |
| 13:19.41 | richard15 | liable: thanks. |
| 13:19.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen synfig is in new queue? |
| 13:19.53 | liable | stew: since when? thought its only when etch releases? |
| 13:19.56 | liable | richard15: yw |
| 13:20.02 | stew | liable: since a couple of weeks ago |
| 13:20.19 | liable | stew: official what? sarge? |
| 13:20.25 | stew | liable: no, sid |
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| 13:20.36 | ems | hi |
| 13:20.40 | ems | screw you :P |
| 13:20.53 | liable | stew: hrm. ok. |
| 13:21.00 | ems | please buy your own Island or something |
| 13:21.02 | stew | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00014.html |
| 13:21.08 | airox | ems: Hello. |
| 13:21.12 | ems | hi airox |
| 13:21.15 | liable | ta |
| 13:21.17 | stew | ems: just here to troll again? |
| 13:21.22 | ems | stew: no |
| 13:21.32 | stew | ems: if you have a debian related question, please ask it |
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| 13:22.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's in sid now .. but yes .. i ahve it .. but pabs is still working on synfig-studio |
| 13:22.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: which is actually the useful part :) |
| 13:22.49 | toffie | please, anyone who could help?? =) |
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| 13:23.11 | Ronin | toffie: with what? |
| 13:23.19 | toffie | problem connecting with sftp |
| 13:23.19 | chealer | stew: I think amd64 is not really official *yet*, but most of the archive built on official buildds :) |
| 13:23.45 | imatsu | liable: thank you |
| 13:23.48 | ems | stew: what does "again" mean |
| 13:24.00 | abrotman | exactly what he said |
| 13:24.03 | ems | stew: I never trolled in here. I just argued |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | no .. you were trolling |
| 13:24.12 | ems | stew: and argued |
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| 13:24.16 | abrotman | we could ask the op who banned you if you prefer |
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| 13:24.47 | stew | chealer: its one of the only two archs that is on ftp.debian.org, don't know how much more official it gets than that, excepting that it hasn't been released, but he was asking about sid, not stable |
| 13:24.54 | stew | that would be azeem |
| 13:24.56 | toffie | Ronin when I try to connect with DW to my server it says that my "login or password is incorrect" |
| 13:24.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: useful for what? |
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| 13:25.07 | stew | ems: are you here to do anything other than argue? |
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| 13:25.14 | ems | I was |
| 13:25.26 | ems | but you destroyed the moment |
| 13:25.36 | ems | so now there is no more point |
| 13:25.37 | ems | cya |
| 13:25.39 | airox | Make people suffer then. |
| 13:25.44 | daeos | I asked yesterday about how to change the lease time on dhconfig, after changing my lease request time to 10 days, my ip has changed 10 times since last night, instead of my ip ending in .18 like it did yesterday it now ends in .30 .... what would cause this? |
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| 13:25.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's actually the studio to make the movies .. when you go to synfig.com .. the application screen shots are actually the studio .. the synfig that is packaged is the backend |
| 13:26.04 | r3tex | how do I install an old version of xorg? like 6.8? |
| 13:26.16 | chealer | stew: it's probably "partly official" :) I guess it will be official when binary uploads from amd64 are accepted |
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| 13:26.26 | liable | richard15: not easily |
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| 13:26.57 | abrotman | chealer: i believe they are .. ask the ftp-master |
| 13:27.17 | chealer | abrotman: hum...since when? have you seen one? |
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| 13:27.22 | liable | how? |
| 13:27.32 | richard15 | liable: excuse me? |
| 13:27.40 | liable | richard15: yes |
| 13:27.46 | daeos | abrotman: have you seen an issue like mine before? where the ip address changes alot in 1 day? |
| 13:27.47 | moshii | is there anyway I can get a complete bootlog for a kernel? I need it for a report I'm writing and even in single usermode my machine outputs too much to dmesg to get the intial boot messages |
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| 13:27.51 | bedboi | hi there |
| 13:28.00 | richard15 | liable: 'not easily' what? |
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| 13:28.18 | liable | richard15: oh, sorry wrong nick :) |
| 13:28.30 | toffie | Ronin, any ideas? |
| 13:28.41 | abrotman | daeos: yeah .. dialup |
| 13:28.43 | richard15 | liable: no problem; glad I'm not losing my mind :-) |
| 13:28.44 | liable | r3tex: not easily |
| 13:28.46 | lewis222 | silly question, how do you see the number of files in a directory? |
| 13:28.54 | tarzeau | ls | wc -l |
| 13:28.56 | daeos | abrotman: im behind a router on cable silly |
| 13:28.57 | tarzeau | more or less |
| 13:29.21 | liable | moshii: /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 13:30.09 | moshii | liable: ah cool, cheers |
| 13:30.24 | daeos | this is just not funny |
| 13:30.38 | LSorensen | moshii: comoile a kernel with a larger dmesg buffer? |
| 13:30.47 | LSorensen | moshii: unless there is a kernel boot command to change it |
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| 13:32.02 | abrotman | daeos: your router is messed up |
| 13:32.33 | daeos | abrotman: doubtful, my other machines (all windows xp) never have an ip change unless they power cycle |
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| 13:32.56 | gokdem | selam turk varmi aranizda |
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| 13:33.57 | moshii | LSorensen: hmm I was hoping there was something I could pass, just need the messages between the bootloader and the kernel launching init |
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| 13:34.47 | LSorensen | moshii: /var/log/dmesg doesn't have it all? |
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| 13:36.18 | r3tex | liable: ok xorg 6.9 has bugs with intel i810 chips, so i need either xorg 6.8 or 7.0 |
| 13:36.21 | r3tex | =/ |
| 13:36.22 | LSorensen | moshii: you apparently can only change the size of the ring buffer by editing a file and recompiling the kernel |
| 13:36.41 | LSorensen | r3tex: or you want a patched 6.9 with the bug fixed |
| 13:37.21 | moshii | LSorensen: that has 100000e) @ 0x00000000 at the start then some ACPI stuff .. I thought there should be some stuff about bring the console around |
| 13:37.47 | r3tex | LSorensen: of course, I was assuming that there was no bugfix since the debian package would have used it mabie |
| 13:38.23 | moshii | LSorensen: there's some stuff about the CPU, I really need the bits that show the kernel setting up the hardware |
| 13:39.23 | LSorensen | moshii: well the first line I think I have ever seen is something like: Linux version 2.4.27-5-.... |
| 13:39.32 | LSorensen | r3tex: only if someone sent a patch I guess |
| 13:39.41 | LSorensen | r3tex: maybe the bugs are minor |
| 13:40.25 | moshii | LSorensen: yeah, I can get that on my OpenWRT router, but I'm trying to detail the debian boot process between the bootloader and INIT 2.8.. :/ |
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| 13:40.56 | imatsu | I have debian sid amd64 and apt-setup isnt, how to configura source.list? |
| 13:41.01 | moshii | LSorensen: it seems so much is pumped out by debian that the interested stuff I want falls off the end |
| 13:41.11 | r3tex | LSorensen: minor enough to make my computer crash every minute :P |
| 13:41.15 | moshii | s/interested/interesting |
| 13:41.25 | jm_ | imatsu: anyone using sid should have no problems with that, use an editor |
| 13:41.30 | LSorensen | moshii: interesting to the few, not to the majority. |
| 13:42.14 | LSorensen | moshii: and actually I don't think debian adds to dmesg, that's just the kernel doing it's thing |
| 13:42.18 | imatsu | jm_: the problem is that I not know respos of debian amd64 |
| 13:42.25 | LSorensen | moshii: init script output is NOT in dmesg. |
| 13:42.27 | jm_ | imatsu: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 13:42.29 | tarzeau | can someone update http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix to include graveman? |
| 13:42.39 | imatsu | jm_: thank you |
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| 13:42.58 | jm_ | tarzeau: send webmaster a mail, they were were prompt when I reported a bug about p.d.o some years ago |
| 13:43.04 | jm_ | very |
| 13:43.18 | moshii | LSorensen: ah, you can see init starting, and at that point the real userland is attached and udev and everything start loading lots of modules so there's a lot of output |
| 13:43.27 | tarzeau | jm_: i'll send debian-cd or webmaster a mail about it? |
| 13:43.29 | imatsu | I have debian sid amd64 and apt-setup isnt, how to configura source.list? |
| 13:43.36 | LSorensen | moshii: modules can cause stuff in dmesg yes. |
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| 13:43.51 | LSorensen | moshii: how about: init=/bin/bash |
| 13:44.00 | LSorensen | moshii: that has less output, since it won't even load real init :) |
| 13:44.07 | LSorensen | moshii: as a kernel boot option that is |
| 13:44.09 | jm_ | tarzeau: yeah the bottom lists debian-cd, good point |
| 13:44.16 | moshii | LSorensen: that could work, be handy if I could disable acpi too |
| 13:44.35 | LSorensen | moshii: my amd64 doens't overflow dmesg, even with a normal boot. |
| 13:44.38 | E0x | debian ( sarge ) be default asking password for join in single mode ? |
| 13:44.42 | LSorensen | moshii: with acpi, and all enabled. |
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| 13:44.52 | jm_ | E0x: yes |
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| 13:45.03 | LSorensen | jm_: what did that question mean? |
| 13:45.21 | jm_ | LSorensen: I think he asked if Debian asks for root's password when booting in single user mode |
| 13:45.27 | moshii | LSorensen: is it a 2.6 kernel and running sarge? You're output would be fine .. i'll give you an acknownledgement ;) |
| 13:45.28 | LSorensen | jm_: OK, nice decoding |
| 13:45.36 | holden | question: why may ruby run extremely slow on my debian box? i am running sarge, with the standard package ruby1.8, and the machine is a well configured PIII 500mhz. other language interpreters run at the speed they should. any ideas? |
| 13:45.37 | moshii | s/you're/your/ |
| 13:45.45 | LSorensen | moshii: sarge, running 2.6.11 |
| 13:45.55 | LSorensen | moshii: you want the output? |
| 13:45.57 | Mazingaro | please, how can I know the mac addresses of the ethernet cards connected to a lan??? |
| 13:46.09 | jm_ | Mazingaro: ping them, consult your ARP cache |
| 13:46.11 | moshii | LSorensen: If you could that would be great |
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| 13:46.51 | moshii | LSorensen: I used debian for my degree project .. now I have to document it all :( |
| 13:47.00 | Mazingaro | jm_: the problem is that I've got a box without monitor, keyboard and mouse connected to a lan, and I don't know its ip address... :) |
| 13:47.25 | moshii | Mazingaro: of other machines or your own? |
| 13:47.36 | LSorensen | moshii: where do you want it sent? |
| 13:47.52 | liable | Mazingaro: no ssh on it?? |
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| 13:48.07 | Mazingaro | moshii: don't know anything about that box... |
| 13:48.12 | moshii | LSorensen: is email ok? DCC might be a pain as I'm on ipv6 |
| 13:48.17 | Mazingaro | liable: I don't know |
| 13:48.26 | Mazingaro | liable: it's an SGI indigo 2 |
| 13:48.36 | Mazingaro | liable: with IRIX 6.2 on |
| 13:48.49 | moshii | Mazingaro: for your own mac addresses run ifconfig .. for someone elses ping them and look at the arpcache |
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| 13:49.12 | LSorensen | moshii: sure email works |
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| 13:49.20 | Mazingaro | moshii: I know how to get the mac address from console... |
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| 13:49.28 | LSorensen | Mazingaro: ifconfig |
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| 13:49.39 | E0x | heh |
| 13:49.40 | Mazingaro | moshii: I don't know the ip address of the sgi box :( |
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| 13:50.07 | Sleeper | hi, is it possible to create an own syslog facility? |
| 13:50.16 | LSorensen | Sleeper: I think so. |
| 13:50.16 | Mazingaro | moshii: is there a way to get it via lan? |
| 13:50.34 | plutonas | Hello, how to I configure k3b so that it sees my burning device. It doesn't find it now. |
| 13:50.36 | Sleeper | LSorensen: how |
| 13:50.42 | moshii | Mazingaro: to get an ip address .. there is arpping that will ping the mac address |
| 13:50.42 | LSorensen | Mazingaro: ping every address on the network and see who responds, then check arp table |
| 13:50.54 | moshii | Mazingaro: or use nmap |
| 13:50.55 | LSorensen | Sleeper: check syslog documentation. I think it has options for adding log types. |
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| 13:51.05 | Mazingaro | moshii: :) ok |
| 13:51.23 | Mazingaro | LSorensen: I don't know if the box has the same address segment of my lan :) |
| 13:51.36 | LSorensen | Mazingaro: then you will have trouble talking to it at all |
| 13:51.40 | slopez | hi |
| 13:52.06 | Mazingaro | LSorensen: I need only to know its ip address or mac address |
| 13:52.14 | E0x | Mazingaro: you have the mac adress but not the ip address and yo want know the ip address ? |
| 13:52.26 | LSorensen | Mazingaro: well the mac it will tell you at boot during hardware diagnostics I believe. |
| 13:52.34 | Mazingaro | E0x: no I haven't got anything: no mac address nor ip address |
| 13:52.44 | LSorensen | Mazingaro: probably even has it written on a sticker on the box |
| 13:52.55 | moshii | Mazingaro: if you use nmap you can scan the whole network and find a machine that's SGI hardware running IRX .. nmap -sX 192.0.0.* .. something like that |
| 13:52.57 | Mazingaro | LSorensen: wait I'm going to check |
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| 13:53.13 | Delicates | what does inode size affect in ext3 versus block size? |
| 13:53.30 | E0x | Mazingaro: you can access local to the SGI ? |
| 13:53.44 | slopez | i've got some trouble, i can't use the shift or alt key with xorg ... |
| 13:53.46 | blafd | isnt there a tool that will do it all at once |
| 13:53.51 | blafd | ping all the addys |
| 13:53.57 | blafd | then compare the arp table |
| 13:54.00 | blafd | and print it all out nicely |
| 13:54.03 | moshii | blafd: nmap |
| 13:54.05 | Mazingaro | E0x: no :( no monitor, no keyboard, no mouse :( |
| 13:54.19 | Mazingaro | moshii: let me try :) |
| 13:54.33 | Sleeper | LSorensen: did check the docs, but couldn't find anything, my problem is: i have got a daemon which logs via syslog and i can tell that daemon which facility to use, default it uses daemon facility, but i dont want it to log there for further analysis |
| 13:54.34 | Mazingaro | LSorensen: no mac address labels :( |
| 13:54.39 | E0x | yeah ping the whole broadcast |
| 13:54.43 | moshii | Mazingaro: yeah, my sparc doesn't even have a floppy drive .. major pain when netbsd puked up yesterday |
| 13:54.45 | E0x | and start check every ip |
| 13:54.47 | E0x | with nmap |
| 13:55.06 | Mazingaro | moshii: :( |
| 13:55.17 | Mazingaro | moshii: but it seems to support pc style console |
| 13:55.31 | moshii | Mazingaro: You might be able to get a serial console on it |
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| 13:55.49 | Mazingaro | moshii: I've connected it to my lan |
| 13:55.54 | LSorensen | Sleeper: well syslog.conf certainly appears to have different types listed. i see no reason you shouldn't be able to add your own |
| 13:56.12 | LSorensen | moshii: but sparcs can netboot? |
| 13:56.17 | LSorensen | moshii: they are so easy to install. |
| 13:56.22 | E0x | Sleeper: yes you can |
| 13:56.29 | E0x | search in google |
| 13:56.30 | E0x | about it |
| 13:56.35 | LSorensen | moshii: try netbooting a decstation with broken firmware (so no tftp, only mop) |
| 13:56.55 | GNU_Style | hi ya |
| 13:57.03 | moshii | LSorensen: true, still a pain in the arse .. they have nice serial console but the port is female instead of male like every other machine in the world |
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| 13:57.39 | LSorensen | moshii: hmm, I don't remember. I haven't worked on a sparc in 6 years |
| 13:57.40 | Sleeper | LSorensen: i did that already, but the daemon tells me at startup that there is no such facility |
| 13:57.48 | Sleeper | E0x: how |
| 13:57.51 | LSorensen | Sleeper: odd. not sure what that means |
| 13:58.12 | moshii | LSorensen: I've had to plug the nvram with the machine hot before, that was fun |
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| 13:58.36 | moshii | cool thing about sparcs is that you can change the end of the mac address to C0:FF:EE and in turn get a really nice ipv6 address ;) |
| 13:59.02 | E0x | Sleeper: search in google about it , a advice use syslog-ng instead syslogd |
| 13:59.42 | jpinto | Hi, does anyone know if there is special attention to debian install on a hardware based RAID ? or the hardware just shows one disk and everything is hidden? |
| 13:59.45 | blafd | welcome to the DEADBEEF COFFEE CAFE |
| 14:00.02 | Sleeper | E0x: what does make syslog-ng better |
| 14:00.07 | moshii | LSorensen: I keep sending you my email address .. just noticed I haven't indentified, no pms oops |
| 14:00.11 | LSorensen | moshii: well linux seems to let you change the whole mac on most network cards in general |
| 14:00.14 | liable | jpinto: if its hardware based, it looks like one disk |
| 14:00.21 | LSorensen | moshii: oh. /msg doesn't work? |
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| 14:00.59 | moshii | LSorensen: not if you're not identified |
| 14:01.06 | LSorensen | moshii: oh. |
| 14:01.17 | LSorensen | moshii: never realized freenode did that now |
| 14:01.20 | jpinto | liable: so there is no need to get special things to the kernel, just maybe a scsi support which i think it already comes by default.. right? |
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| 14:01.44 | liable | jpinto: just support for your raid controller. |
| 14:01.48 | MishMash | Hi Guys, because i have alot of important data on my laptop, i want some extra security. I was thinking of an usb stick with an RSA key or something |
| 14:02.00 | jpinto | liable: ah.. ok i see, thanks |
| 14:02.06 | MishMash | Does somebody have any idea how i could fix this |
| 14:02.19 | moshii | MishMash: I will be releasing my Debian on USB with AES in a few weeks :) |
| 14:02.29 | liable | jpinto: which, if its scsi, will be in the scsi section.. :) |
| 14:02.38 | MishMash | What is want is that the usb stick needs to be present in the laptop, or else you can't login |
| 14:02.47 | uneekwahn | How can I force apt to ignore a dependency on a program I've installed? I installed via dpkg -i --force-all and it works perfectly, but now apt keeps telling me I need to correct the unmet dependency with apt-get -f install |
| 14:02.54 | jpinto | liable: thanks :) |
| 14:02.58 | MishMash | and when i pull the stick out, the laptop goes into screensaver mode or something |
| 14:03.18 | MishMash | I want to use my usb stick as some extra security |
| 14:03.29 | MishMash | But is this possible? |
| 14:03.59 | chealer | uneekwahn: why did you have to use --force-all? |
| 14:04.03 | liable | i guees you could encrypt the disk with the key on the usb stick?? |
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| 14:04.44 | slopez | i've got some trouble, i can't use the shift or alt key with xorg ... |
| 14:04.50 | uneekwahn | chealer: because apt was telling me that the program required libc6 2.3.5-1, but it was only going to install 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 14:04.56 | MishMash | that's could work. But what would happen if i took the usb stick while the pc is rnning |
| 14:05.04 | slopez | does anybody knows why |
| 14:05.04 | moshii | MishMash: the problem is the amount of laters that are at work |
| 14:05.14 | uneekwahn | chealer: so I thought I'd force it, see what it did, and it worked, so it obviously doesn't require the newer version :) |
| 14:05.15 | MishMash | laters? |
| 14:05.27 | moshii | MishMash: sorry layers |
| 14:05.41 | MishMash | Ah ok |
| 14:06.02 | moshii | MishMash: you'd have to lock the normal terminals or turn them off, lock X and then your filesystem for good measure |
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| 14:06.19 | duda | Hola a todos |
| 14:06.20 | MishMash | Can't I get udev to listen to the usb port? and when the usb drive is janked out, the pc locks |
| 14:06.45 | chealer | uneekwahn: huh... |
| 14:06.48 | duda | I have two printers fx-2180 Epson and one fx-1881+ |
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| 14:06.58 | liable | uneekwahn: um, well, apt will remove the package, because the package says it needs the correct libc6, so unless you modify the package, you will end up having to remove it. |
| 14:07.04 | MishMash | #security |
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| 14:07.04 | duda | How I can setting this in ubuntu |
| 14:07.09 | moshii | MishMash: yeah, read the manual :) you could run xlock when the key is pulled and kill it after it's inserted and checked |
| 14:07.19 | uneekwahn | liable: yeah, that's the problem :) |
| 14:07.21 | uneekwahn | oh well |
| 14:07.21 | MishMash | ah that's a start |
| 14:07.52 | chealer | duda: /topic |
| 14:08.04 | duda | yes |
| 14:08.08 | duda | tell me |
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| 14:08.19 | duda | do you understand me |
| 14:08.23 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: hey! |
| 14:08.25 | liable | duda: THIS IS NOT #ubuntu |
| 14:08.30 | moshii | MishMash: I'm not sure if you can disable the password input with xlock? but you could run it, grab it's pid and then kill that pid when the key is reinserted |
| 14:08.31 | chealer | duda: yes. this is a Debian support channel |
| 14:08.59 | duda | and not is same |
| 14:09.06 | duda | ok |
| 14:09.15 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, hey |
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| 14:09.23 | liable | duda: there is a channel for ubuntu, just like this one. |
| 14:09.26 | MishMash | moshii: one way to find out :P |
| 14:09.31 | uneekwahn | So how do I modify the package so it doesn't require that version of libc6? |
| 14:09.32 | duda | yes |
| 14:09.32 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, hows it going with those motors? |
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| 14:09.45 | moshii | LSorensen: your machines have so little output compared to mine.. worried that mine is broken now |
| 14:09.50 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: great. on saturday we should have some basic plans online and pictures... |
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| 14:09.54 | WebMonkey | hi guys |
| 14:09.55 | liable | photos! |
| 14:10.05 | moshii | uneekwahn: change it's control file and rebuilt it |
| 14:10.09 | chealer | uneekwahn: you just recompile it, usually |
| 14:10.11 | WebMonkey | whats the deal with apt authentication sig down? |
| 14:10.20 | moshii | uneekwahn: s/rebuilt/rebuild/ |
| 14:10.22 | uneekwahn | ok, that's beyond my technical capabilities :) |
| 14:10.38 | uneekwahn | it's only a damn dockapp for monitoring network traffic :) I can live without it ! |
| 14:10.47 | WebMonkey | has apt been compromised? |
| 14:10.51 | MishMash | moshii: can i do the same with my homedrive? I want to encrypt it with a key that is present on the usb Stick, and as soon as the usb stick is inserted, i have access to the data |
| 14:10.59 | moshii | uneekwahn: I think you should be about to do apt-get source package, and then just do debuild inside the source directoty |
| 14:11.19 | moshii | uneekwahn: there are some funky scripts for detected the libraries packages need to depend on |
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| 14:12.09 | moshii | MishMash: you can encrypt the drive in a few ways, you can even use GPG keys for the encryption key.. but umount /home while stuff is running might end in tears |
| 14:12.10 | uneekwahn | thanks guys, much appreciated. |
| 14:12.42 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, let me know ill check out ur site :) |
| 14:12.58 | duda | liable one question |
| 14:13.01 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: i will, promised :) |
| 14:13.21 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 14:13.58 | liable | duda: sure, as long as it isnt about ubuntu. :) |
| 14:14.05 | MishMash | moshii: I aint gonna umount /home while it's running, i just want to secure it so that if the laptop gets stolen, the data would be useless |
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| 14:15.08 | moshii | MishMash: ah, well you want a loopaes encrypted root then. I think you can do that with the standard debian stuff.. |
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| 14:15.36 | duda | ok liable my english not is good |
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| 14:16.03 | duda | I speak spanish |
| 14:16.44 | niklaus | i have sarge at one end , it's ip address is 9.182.88.138 + 11.0.0.223 (2 cards). Now at other end i have win2k machine its ip address is 9.182.89.205 (gateway 9.182.89.1) . I want to access the 11.0.0.0 machines from win2k . How do i do it. I cannot change the gatway address as win2k machine is on DHCP. Any softwares on sarge that allow me to do that |
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| 14:22.48 | LSorensen | moshii: I run well supported hardware |
| 14:22.55 | LSorensen | moshii: not sure what more output to expect |
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| 14:26.04 | abrotman | !tell root__ about root |
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| 14:26.39 | after | Hello. Any can Help me to create a vserver with a limited disk space??? |
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| 14:28.14 | after | Hello. Any can Help me to create a vserver with a limited disk space??? |
| 14:28.19 | tarzeau | !repeat |
| 14:28.20 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:29.03 | bipolar | Does anyone know a way to find out a servers motherboard model or what kind of ram it takes from debian? I have a server running with a Tyan MB (dual athlon MP) and I need to know what kind of ram it takes without shutting the sucker down to take it out of the rack. :\ |
| 14:29.49 | petemc | bipolar: dmidecode perhaps |
| 14:30.26 | abrotman | bipolar: you could just guess based on the fact that it's a AthlonMP board .. so .. probably DDR333 would work :) |
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| 14:30.55 | bipolar | abrotman: yeah, probbly :) |
| 14:31.12 | WebMonkey | I was gonna try a sys upgrade but apt's authentication signature is not available |
| 14:31.39 | after | Hello. Any can Help me to create a vserver with a limited disk space??? |
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| 14:31.51 | WebMonkey | bipolar: cant you tell from BIOS or from the system spec on manufacturer site? |
| 14:31.56 | bipolar | petemc: Product Name: TIGER MPX << THANK YOU! :) |
| 14:32.21 | bipolar | WebMonkey: I needed to know the MB model to find that out, and without shutting the server off. |
| 14:32.26 | WebMonkey | ah |
| 14:32.59 | liable | WebMonkey: /topic for 2006 key, or has this just happened? |
| 14:33.17 | WebMonkey | liable: sorry i missed that |
| 14:33.34 | liable | missed what? |
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| 14:33.47 | WebMonkey | the topic |
| 14:33.50 | abrotman | bipolar: i still vote for DDR333 :) |
| 14:34.02 | liable | WebMonkey: type /topic in your client :) |
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| 14:34.08 | bipolar | abrotman: yes. it takes ddr :P |
| 14:34.16 | bipolar | abrotman: you're right, as usual :D |
| 14:34.17 | abrotman | bipolar: and 333 ? |
| 14:34.26 | WebMonkey | :) |
| 14:34.27 | abrotman | !yinzersmite bipolar |
| 14:34.35 | bipolar | abrotman: I dunno about the clock speed |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | very important! |
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| 14:34.46 | WebMonkey | im so asleep today, im eating coffee wrapped in chocolate but it isnt helping any |
| 14:34.58 | tarzeau | WebMonkey: go sleep |
| 14:35.11 | WebMonkey | im getting RPC: connection refused on my NFS :-/ |
| 14:35.21 | FlimFlamMan | ext3 a good FS choice for a 750gb raid partition? |
| 14:35.26 | WebMonkey | cant solve it, checked portmap, nfs daemon, firewall |
| 14:35.30 | WebMonkey | everything looks ok |
| 14:35.31 | tarzeau | FlimFlamMan: it's ok, yes |
| 14:35.37 | tarzeau | FlimFlamMan: ufs would be nice too |
| 14:35.49 | FlimFlamMan | thanks |
| 14:35.50 | bipolar | abrotman: nope! 266 :P |
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| 14:36.08 | WebMonkey | tarzeau: i gotta keep awake i got worker people coming in and out |
| 14:36.12 | |RABBIT| | greetings |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | bipolar: it's too old! |
| 14:36.21 | abrotman | bipolar: but 333 will still work! |
| 14:36.27 | |RABBIT| | which package do I dpkg-reconfigure to change the timezone? |
| 14:36.28 | bipolar | abrotman: yeah, I know :) |
| 14:36.40 | tarzeau | !nickometer |RABBIT| |
| 14:36.41 | dpkg | '|RABBIT|' is 99.760% lame, tarzeau |
| 14:36.48 | abrotman | i didn't need a bot for that |
| 14:36.50 | abrotman | !timezone |
| 14:36.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 14:36.59 | bipolar | abrotman: still waiting for the co to apporove that 4x2core amd operton system :) |
| 14:37.01 | WebMonkey | and to make matters I just took a hit on Silver, went short and the sucker has risen 6 points |
| 14:37.08 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Stop slacking you lazy bum! |
| 14:37.09 | WebMonkey | *worse |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | bipolar: make me smack you! |
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| 14:37.19 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i can't help it! .. i'm drawn to yinzers! |
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| 14:37.25 | scarynetworkguy | Hehe. |
| 14:38.28 | WebMonkey | any of you guys ever developed a volidity? model for market prices? |
| 14:38.34 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: though .. perhaps bipolar isn't a yinzer |
| 14:38.41 | abrotman | validity |
| 14:38.49 | scarynetworkguy | Is he a slacking bum? |
| 14:38.59 | bipolar | wtf is a yinzer? does that make me a yinzer? |
| 14:39.02 | liable | or is his bum slacking?? |
| 14:39.04 | WebMonkey | I mean to assess the volatile-ness of a price |
| 14:39.06 | bedboi | anyone having issues with sid and libstdc++6 package? |
| 14:39.07 | \amethyst | volatility? |
| 14:39.12 | WebMonkey | thats the one |
| 14:39.13 | WebMonkey | :) |
| 14:39.43 | \amethyst | mom |
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| 14:40.32 | mixter | hi! i'm running a server with pentium d (dual core). wich kernel should i use? if i choose 2.6.8-2-686-smp the system wont boot, and if i use the 2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp i cannot compile a driver module for my network card |
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| 14:40.52 | YGingras_ | hi, is there an online store where I can get Debian t-shirts ? |
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| 14:41.31 | liable | doesnt debian.org have a link?? |
| 14:41.54 | WebMonkey | debian hasnt been as quick to merchandise as redhat was? |
| 14:42.03 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: there are a couple of indicators from technical analysis that might be worth looking at |
| 14:42.06 | bipolar | abrotman: as long as the ram is rated at or higher then what the system runs at, it will work, right? DDR400 wiil work in a DDR266 MB, right? |
| 14:42.15 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: historical volatility and Chaikin's volatility |
| 14:42.28 | WebMonkey | \amethyst: cool, I'm really interested to check |
| 14:42.32 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: probably others, but those are the only two I've dealt with |
| 14:42.47 | lewis222 | does anyone know anything about mobile video delivery from debian? |
| 14:43.03 | lewis222 | i.e. want someone to text a number, and have a .3gpp video delivered, from my debian box |
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| 14:43.07 | grapefruit | anyone know of a VNC program that will connect to an Xserver on another computer? |
| 14:43.26 | WebMonkey | \amethyst: do you know of a system also for grabbing the high and low for any given period and establishing trading parameter? |
| 14:43.43 | \amethyst | trading parameter? |
| 14:44.09 | WebMonkey | I mean, enabling you to establish a price range and take a position within it safely |
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| 14:44.21 | \amethyst | Don't know of any free ones |
| 14:44.29 | WebMonkey | that would be a useful tool eh |
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| 14:44.37 | WebMonkey | i wanna write something in perl |
| 14:44.45 | js_ | go nuts |
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| 14:44.55 | \amethyst | I'm not really a financial analysis person, but I did a stock charting program for my previous job |
| 14:44.57 | liable | there is a perl stocks module |
| 14:45.04 | WebMonkey | cool |
| 14:45.21 | \amethyst | stocks and options, actually |
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| 14:45.28 | WebMonkey | \amethyst: just for stocks or did you do derivaties also? |
| 14:45.30 | liable | i cant remember wtf its called though |
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| 14:45.40 | ootput | hi guys, how do i kill an lpr process that's currently printing? |
| 14:45.41 | \amethyst | only options, not futures |
| 14:45.42 | WebMonkey | woah |
| 14:45.49 | spowers | grapefruit: like any vncviewer package |
| 14:46.09 | blafd | output |
| 14:46.10 | spowers | grapefruit: apt-cache search vncviewer (xtightvncviewer is probably the best i know of right now, at least in debian) |
| 14:46.14 | WebMonkey | I found a cool broker in the Bahamas but their software leaves a lot to be desired |
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| 14:46.21 | blafd | the state files are in /var/log/lpr |
| 14:46.27 | grapefruit | spowers, but can they use an Xserver or must there be a VNC server |
| 14:46.31 | blafd | so just kill the corrisponding pid and rm the file |
| 14:46.37 | spowers | there must be a vnc server |
| 14:46.44 | lewis222 | how do I clear a text file? |
| 14:46.45 | Ancillius | hi could someone tell me if there is a solution for the following problem i have? I want to use xmms and teamspeak2 (Voice Chatting) at the same time, but the first application started has "exclusive" access to /dev/dsp. Can one change that? |
| 14:46.51 | spowers | but you can export a real x display (like from xorg or xfree86) with vino-server |
| 14:47.03 | spowers | or vnc4server |
| 14:47.06 | spowers | or Xvnc! |
| 14:47.13 | spowers | (well, Xvnc does something different) |
| 14:47.21 | spowers | (it doesn't need a screen to operate) |
| 14:47.24 | spowers | gotta go |
| 14:47.32 | blafd | er that was for ootput |
| 14:47.45 | grapefruit | spowers, thanks |
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| 14:48.13 | WebMonkey | lewis222: you can do: > filename to empty it |
| 14:48.17 | ootput | blafd: cheers |
| 14:48.27 | \amethyst | Ancillius: get a better sound card, or use jack, esound, or arts |
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| 14:49.03 | mne | hi guys. I'm using unstable. after upgrading my gnome panel doesn't work anymore. (It doesn't show anything, it's just a grey bar and doesn't react on clicks). is anyone else having the same problem ? |
| 14:49.13 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:49.13 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 14:49.20 | lewis222 | what would '> *' do? |
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| 14:49.37 | ootput | blafd: oh wait, i don't have a /var/log/lpr |
| 14:49.45 | \amethyst | lewis222: ambiguous redirect :) |
| 14:49.55 | \amethyst | if there's more than one file |
| 14:49.59 | ootput | blafd: /var/log/lpr.log is emtpy |
| 14:50.10 | lewis222 | would it clear mulitple text files? |
| 14:50.16 | lewis222 | (i.e. all in the current directory?) |
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| 14:50.18 | Ancillius | soundcard is AC97 (intel) and capable of Multithinging (full duplex)? What exactly is arts for? is there a "dummy page" for arts/esound or jack that one knows? |
| 14:50.26 | mne | abrotman, I'll file a bug report, though it could also be possible that it's my fault ;P |
| 14:50.53 | blafd | Ancillius, not that ive ever been able to get it to work, but try install "qajackctl" |
| 14:51.04 | blafd | gives you a visual insight to how it works |
| 14:51.06 | abrotman | mne: it certainly could be |
| 14:51.11 | blafd | how it should work.. |
| 14:51.20 | Ancillius | ok ill try thanks |
| 14:51.42 | blafd | thats just for jackd |
| 14:51.51 | abrotman | kspath: you live! |
| 14:52.40 | blafd | ootput there must a reason for that |
| 14:52.54 | kspath | abrotman: I was practicing the offline life. |
| 14:52.55 | dino4k | my gnome-terminal eats all my memory |
| 14:53.04 | kspath | dino4k: that is normal |
| 14:53.11 | dino4k | lol |
| 14:53.12 | blafd | lol |
| 14:53.21 | dino4k | kspath: oh, not terminal, i mean panel; |
| 14:53.24 | dino4k | sry |
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| 14:54.02 | kspath | dino4k: try turning off display of icons that might help a bit and make it faster also |
| 14:54.05 | bipolar | abrotman: as long as the ram is rated at or higher then what the system runs at, it will work, right? DDR400 wiil work in a DDR266 MB, right? |
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| 14:54.31 | pipeline | bipolar: The exception to that rule concerns densities. Some very new DIMMs won't work in very old slots. |
| 14:54.33 | blafd | bipolar.. ive never had a problem |
| 14:54.42 | blafd | i the worse case the board opts for too agressive timings |
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| 14:54.55 | blafd | just put a slower dimm in a configure for the lowest possible timings |
| 14:54.56 | pipeline | bipolar: Of course, the only way you can find out about this problem is that you buy memory and it fails to boot :) |
| 14:54.58 | dino4k | kspath: i thing its a bug.. 257m Re |
| 14:55.00 | bipolar | cool. the MB docs say it will take up to a 4GB dimm |
| 14:55.25 | pipeline | Ancillius: Arts does a lot of things other than multiplexing. It's pretty scary internally . Also, your AC97 "full duplex" means it can record and play at the same time. It still doesn't support hardware mixing. |
| 14:55.34 | blafd | yea i herd that Piggy |
| 14:55.35 | blafd | pipeline |
| 14:55.36 | kspath | dino4k: Quite possible but I already felt that GNOME and KDE and even XFCE ate up a lot of memory |
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| 14:56.27 | WebMonkey | \amethyst: what platform did you use for your stocks program? |
| 14:56.30 | Neverther | lol, openbox+gnome-panel+nautilus=no memory muncher :D |
| 14:56.59 | dino4k | kspath: yeah.. right... |
| 14:57.06 | kspath | Neverther: Try openbox3 + rox less memory munching |
| 14:57.07 | dino4k | kspath: but THIS is not normal :p |
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| 14:57.36 | Ancillius | pipeline, so it is not possible? (in windows it works, but.. well windows s**ks) How can i activate hardware mixing? |
| 14:57.43 | Neverther | kspath, tried rox, i hate it and then i'd need to use perpanel or something |
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| 14:58.01 | Ancillius | or even check if it is supported anyhow |
| 14:58.17 | kspath | Neverther: Why the obsession with panels openbox has great menus that is the point |
| 14:58.23 | dino4k | kspath: so, i just kill the gnome-panel process and now about 50% less mem usage :) |
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| 14:58.55 | kspath | dino4k: if you start it again does it immediately eat up that much memory again? |
| 14:59.00 | dino4k | no |
| 14:59.08 | Neverther | well, lukily i have no shortage of memory, three sticks here :p |
| 14:59.14 | dino4k | it starts automaticly new :) |
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| 14:59.46 | dino4k | now it uses 17m res mem |
| 14:59.48 | kspath | dino4k: so when you start up your gnome session your gnome-panel uses up 250MB RAM ? |
| 15:00.04 | grapefruit | anyone here taken the comptia linux+ test? |
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| 15:00.21 | dino4k | kspath: no |
| 15:00.24 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: it was a client-side Java app |
| 15:00.30 | dino4k | kspath: this was the first time it done this |
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| 15:00.43 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: built on jfreecharts (LGPL) |
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| 15:00.53 | dino4k | kspath: and the start of this session is about an hour ago |
| 15:00.55 | WebMonkey | \amethyst: I might be using it :P |
| 15:00.56 | kspath | dino4k: You might want to try to replicate it and see if you can repeat it. |
| 15:01.19 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: there were performance issues back in 2002--3, but they've probably been fixed by now |
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| 15:01.40 | jbroome | kspath: i think that lest sentence made my head explode a little |
| 15:01.44 | WebMonkey | many online brokers are using java apps now |
| 15:02.00 | dino4k | jbroome: hehe |
| 15:02.23 | kspath | jbroome: replicate and repeat are not the same at all |
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| 15:02.34 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: you could do it with AJAX, especially with SVG-supporting browsers |
| 15:02.41 | WebMonkey | yay im into profit on the USDGBP forex |
| 15:02.48 | kspath | jbroome: they are somewhat related I will agree. |
| 15:02.56 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: unfortunately, most traders use Windows 98 and IE 4 :) |
| 15:02.58 | dino4k | kspath: i've done nothing special and haven't any idea how i could replicate -.- |
| 15:03.01 | WebMonkey | :) |
| 15:03.22 | WebMonkey | I want to develop the ultimate trading system |
| 15:03.23 | kspath | dino4k: Just do what you did in the last hour + N minutes. |
| 15:03.42 | dino4k | kay.. |
| 15:04.36 | abrotman | is that all ? |
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| 15:05.02 | abrotman | bipolar: yes .. for most cases |
| 15:05.17 | abrotman | kspath: how did practice go? |
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| 15:06.26 | kspath | abrotman: I gave up my caffiene addiction and my online addiction. I just download/sync my email/lists/usenet-groups and get offline now normally |
| 15:06.36 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: where do you plan to get your data? |
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| 15:07.57 | kspath | abrotman: rather than the click and twitch interface I have been using keyboard more and reading and immense amount. |
| 15:08.06 | abrotman | kspath: hehe .. makes sense |
| 15:08.08 | kspath | an |
| 15:08.22 | abrotman | kspath: don't worry .. i won't tell your wife :) |
| 15:08.40 | plutonas | I installed the lg-all package. How do I read the linux-gazette issues now? |
| 15:08.42 | kspath | abrotman: About reading? |
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| 15:08.59 | abrotman | kspath: being online :) |
| 15:09.00 | junix|work | is there a problem with locales, and nfs-kernel/user server in unstable? |
| 15:09.02 | WebMonkey | \amethyst: the broker I'm using provides a data feed free |
| 15:09.04 | abrotman | !tell dirky123123 about root |
| 15:09.12 | kspath | plutonas: are they text ? |
| 15:09.28 | plutonas | I don't know I think either text or pdf |
| 15:09.45 | plutonas | I just installed the package I don't know where they are |
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| 15:09.48 | kspath | plutonas: try less on one of them |
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| 15:10.09 | plutonas | yes but where should I look for them? |
| 15:10.13 | kspath | plutonas: apt-file search lg-all |
| 15:10.35 | kspath | plutonas: dpkg has info on it/them |
| 15:11.18 | holden | question: some applications (e.g. mutt, screen) interpret my backspace key as delete, but the shells (bash, zsh) interpret it correctly, as backspace. why is that? i would like all applications to interpret my backspace as such. any ideas? |
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| 15:12.36 | WebMonkey | lots of these in my log, could be related to NFS problem I'm having mounting remote fs? |
| 15:12.40 | Xteven | holden : termcap :) |
| 15:12.49 | pipeline | WebMonkey: signal 15 is a term signal |
| 15:12.51 | Xteven | WebMonkey : signal 15 is SIGTERM |
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| 15:12.55 | pipeline | WebMonkey: it means something else is killing it |
| 15:12.57 | WebMonkey | whats it mean? |
| 15:13.02 | WebMonkey | eek |
| 15:13.11 | holden | Xteven: thanks. |
| 15:13.15 | pipeline | there's no conceivable reason for an app to send itself signals :P |
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| 15:13.20 | WebMonkey | it could be the cause of my problem then |
| 15:13.29 | Xteven | holden : I'm not experienced in that area |
| 15:13.36 | Xteven | holden : but I know it has to do with termcap |
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| 15:16.48 | WebMonkey | sheesh. its not my day today |
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| 15:16.55 | WebMonkey | mysql just went down: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 15:17.11 | kspath | plutonas: dpkg -S lg-all |
| 15:17.39 | WebMonkey | wtf is going on! |
| 15:17.46 | \amethyst | WebMonkey: is it possible you're running out of memory |
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| 15:17.51 | WebMonkey | phew |
| 15:17.59 | WebMonkey | ram or hdd space? |
| 15:18.08 | \amethyst | RAM + swap |
| 15:18.10 | junix|work | is there a problem with locales, and nfs-kernel/user server in unstable? |
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| 15:18.34 | pipeline | junix|work: Well, other than Linux NFS being very generally shit, no |
| 15:18.42 | WebMonkey | Mem: t: 256656 u: 246184 f:10472 |
| 15:19.00 | WebMonkey | Swap: t: 385440 u: 0 f: 385440 |
| 15:19.16 | WebMonkey | no swap used?! |
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| 15:20.14 | WebMonkey | mebbe I should reboot |
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| 15:20.56 | lewis222 | what does this do: $user =~ s/\n//gsm; |
| 15:21.02 | plbgnr | how can I again configure all settings which I configured by installing debian? |
| 15:21.20 | deconvolution | hello, /usr/bin/ld reported that it didnt find a library and the library files are actually installed, which command is to update library path and inform ld? |
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| 15:21.30 | mlask | hi there! i would like to run bootsplash on my deb sid with 2.16 kernel but i've got some troubles with sysv-rc-bootsplash package. Do I really have to edit /etc/init.d/ manually? is it normal that it fails to patch those files? On my sarge everything was working great |
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| 15:22.33 | myboxen | morning all |
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| 15:22.50 | plbgnr | ...tehre was message at end of installation, that I can these set all values again with some command.... |
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| 15:24.09 | plbgnr | ...i have it :) base-config ;) |
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| 15:25.22 | thingfish | plbgnr: you can also try dpkg-reconfigure foo, for specific packages. |
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| 15:25.42 | werw | Hi! I have lost all my xkb layouts. Which package must I install or reconfigure? |
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| 15:27.55 | tarzeau | werw: xorg? |
| 15:28.02 | pawdro | does anyone know any website where i can test plugins of firefox - like mplayer or quicktime plugin? or others |
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| 15:28.56 | tarzeau | pawdro: yes |
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| 15:29.04 | Juerd | I have scsi working for my s-ata, but there's no /proc/scsi |
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| 15:29.12 | Juerd | Anything I can do about this? mkinitrd won't work without it. |
| 15:29.15 | tarzeau | pawdro: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/ see the test your browser for links |
| 15:29.21 | pawdro | tarzeau: thanks |
| 15:29.52 | werw | I have xorg and friends |
| 15:29.53 | tarzeau | pity lemmings went offline, again |
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| 15:30.00 | tarzeau | werw: if you find teh solution tell me :) |
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| 15:32.10 | zOap | is there a nice app to adjust monitor light and contrast? |
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| 15:34.40 | cahoot | zOap: xgamma? |
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| 15:34.58 | zOap | cahoot, thanks :) |
| 15:35.07 | heny | hi, @ my newly installed debian net-install i unfortunetly selected mail-server in tasksel and also downloaded them via aptitude, although i only wanted to install ircii, so i dont need those ~300 mb, can i make this undone? |
| 15:36.10 | azeem | heny: most of that are the base packages I think |
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| 15:36.20 | azeem | heny: did it finish installing? |
| 15:37.18 | heny | azeem: not all, i noticed that it's a bit too big for ircii, so i stopped after ~100-200 mb |
| 15:37.31 | azeem | how did you stop? |
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| 15:37.46 | heny | reboot ;P |
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| 15:37.49 | heny | im a debian newbie |
| 15:37.53 | heny | or well linux |
| 15:38.00 | sammylvz | hi |
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| 15:38.03 | sammylvz | howz ever1 |
| 15:38.08 | sammylvz | be happy |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | !aolify sammylvz |
| 15:38.21 | sammylvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.43 | sammylvz | wat?????????????/ |
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| 15:39.09 | azeem | sammylvz: do you have a question about Debian?= |
| 15:39.12 | sammylvz | abrotman:wat do u mean |
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| 15:39.21 | tsk_ | has anyone installed debian on a sony vaio tx2xp or tx1xp? |
| 15:39.27 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 15:39.27 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:39.27 | azeem | !laptop |
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| 15:39.32 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 15:39.36 | abrotman | YAY!!!!! |
| 15:39.38 | azeem | double-loss |
| 15:39.42 | sammylvz | azeem: wat dedian |
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| 15:39.50 | limpio | heny: read the APT-HOWTO at debian.org, it will save you a lot of headaches, next time you install, skip the packages installation, and at the end use apt-get to install what you want. |
| 15:39.52 | Ronin | azeem: guess that answers that :) |
| 15:39.52 | abrotman | azeem: you can borrow my pony whenever you want |
| 15:39.57 | azeem | sammylvz: this channel is about the Debian operating system |
| 15:40.02 | npx | What's a good, common, fast, GOOD color, linux compatible printer |
| 15:40.13 | abrotman | so .. 2xGOOD ? |
| 15:40.14 | azeem | sammylvz: see www.debian.org, for general chat, please go to another channel |
| 15:40.20 | npx | 5xGOOD |
| 15:40.27 | heny | limpio: not aptitude? |
| 15:40.27 | abrotman | linuxprinting.org ? |
| 15:40.50 | sammylvz | how |
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| 15:41.06 | Ronin | sammylvz: same way you got here |
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| 15:41.08 | azeem | heny: can you still use apt-get/aptitude? |
| 15:41.18 | FalscherHase | hi. i need help from someone who uses the dirvish backup program. the debian provided cron script fails on my xfs backup partition. |
| 15:41.22 | limpio | heny: aptitude and apt-get are front ends for dpkg, apt-get is easier imho |
| 15:41.29 | sammylvz | howwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 15:41.37 | abrotman | sammylvz: /part #debian |
| 15:41.38 | FalscherHase | it looks for lost+found which isn't there and it tests for inode 2 which is 128. should i change the cron script or did i make a mistake in my setup? |
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| 15:42.19 | sammylvz | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:42.23 | sammylvz | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 15:42.26 | sammylvz | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 15:42.29 | abrotman | sammylvz: in your irc client .. type "/part #debian" |
| 15:42.41 | abrotman | !prize azeem |
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| 15:42.50 | Ronin | now who didnt see that coming? heh |
| 15:42.54 | heny | so limpio, should i now reinstall debian? |
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| 15:43.23 | azeem | heny: if the reboot did not break the apt-get database, you don't need to |
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| 15:44.28 | heny | azeem, but it installed quite a lot of rubbish i dont need i think like gnome-stuff etc |
| 15:44.29 | heny | oO |
| 15:44.43 | abrotman | so uninstall them |
| 15:44.59 | azeem | heny: then you rather selected the desktop task I guess |
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| 15:45.15 | azeem | heny: you can use aptitude to deinstall all packages in the gnome and kde sections |
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| 15:46.20 | heny | azeem: i guess i will do a complete reinstall, it's not a lot of time and will probably save me trouble ;) |
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| 15:46.31 | heny | eh, btw.. ircii = irsii? |
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| 15:46.38 | azeem | no |
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| 15:46.45 | azeem | I guess you mean irssi? |
| 15:46.56 | heny | i didnt find irssi in the packages |
| 15:47.04 | azeem | try irssi-text |
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| 15:47.26 | limpio | heny: that's up to you, you don't have to, you gotta a lot to learn, otoh, it will be good practice, check http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=927 |
| 15:48.37 | heny | limpio: the more packages u install the more cpupower etc it takes? |
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| 15:49.14 | heny | eh limpio: what about the link? |
| 15:49.34 | limpio | heny: obviously. you want a lean and mean machine, that moves fast and does waste ram as in kde or gnome |
| 15:49.47 | limpio | heny: read the link |
| 15:49.50 | pipeline | heny, limpio : Uh, what? |
| 15:49.55 | heny | yea, it's about java |
| 15:50.03 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 15:50.13 | simonrvn | stop smoking the bad shit ... |
| 15:50.15 | pipeline | heny, limpio : A single mozilla browser uses more RAM than KDE and Gnome running simultaneously :P |
| 15:50.18 | abrotman | limpio: how is that link related ? |
| 15:50.31 | heny | abrotman: i'm asking that too ;D |
| 15:50.33 | limpio | pineline: i use opera and dillo |
| 15:50.34 | abrotman | pipeline: emacs uses more than all! |
| 15:50.48 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. The things I hate about emacs are unrelated to its memory consumption. |
| 15:50.59 | pipeline | abrotman: "eight megs and constantly swapping" is not really that important anymore :P |
| 15:51.02 | heny | limpio: well gnome etc were not running already, i stopped installation inmid due to reboot |
| 15:51.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:51.15 | pipeline | abrotman: The fact that it sometimes takes *seconds* to get around to re-highlighting text, however, is an issue. |
| 15:51.22 | limpio | abrotman: isn't it about the debian installation with the net-installer? |
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| 15:51.25 | abrotman | pipeline: bloat! |
| 15:51.26 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:51.27 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 15:51.27 | azeem | limpio: no |
| 15:51.31 | abrotman | limpio: not even close |
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| 15:51.37 | pipeline | abrotman: Dude: emacs is the very definition of bloat. Adding complication without adding features. |
| 15:51.41 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 15:51.41 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 15:51.42 | pipeline | abrotman: elisp is a nightmare. |
| 15:51.46 | priscila | pipeline: what browser are you using? do have any wich uses few memory? |
| 15:51.49 | pipeline | abrotman: emacs lisp is the lisp of the sixties. |
| 15:52.08 | abrotman | i don't think there is a browser left that has low memory usage (GUI one anyways) |
| 15:52.14 | abrotman | not a really usable one anyways |
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| 15:52.16 | pipeline | priscila: I use a mozilla-based browser. It uses ungodly amounts of RAM and it's slower than shit. Konqueror and Opera are both much faster and use much less memory, but I don't like them much. |
| 15:52.26 | simonrvn | even dillo is a hog |
| 15:52.30 | abrotman | amaya! |
| 15:52.32 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. "low" versus "less". Opera and Konqueror use "a lot" of memory, but they use about 1/10th what Mozilla will :P |
| 15:52.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 15:52.47 | abrotman | pipeline: i think Opera uses about 20M for me at home |
| 15:53.00 | pipeline | abrotman: I would be very, very surprised if my galeon process were under 200M right now. |
| 15:53.01 | heny | so i should use partition: multiuser auto? |
| 15:53.01 | abrotman | pipeline: shared/etc/whatever .. stupid memory management |
| 15:53.12 | limpio | abrotman: sorry there was a digit missing in the url: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9271 |
| 15:53.14 | pipeline | heny: You only need two partitions: Root and swap. |
| 15:53.26 | heny | so desktop-computer? |
| 15:53.27 | abrotman | limpio: and it still doesn't apply |
| 15:53.40 | heny | pipeline: it's a gameserver |
| 15:53.45 | abrotman | limpio: it's old and outdated .. and applies to a RC release |
| 15:54.20 | limpio | abrotman: it does apply the installation is EXACTLY the same |
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| 15:54.25 | danieldg | I was trying to fix a bug (memory leak) in screen, and so I did a make install. This has apparently messed up something with my termcap/terminfo; irssi does not recognize window resizing. How do I restore the original files from debian's system? |
| 15:54.39 | abrotman | limpio: or you read the the install guide .. that actually applies to the released installer |
| 15:54.44 | pack | Anyone know the clean way to managing different versions of gcc on a sarge box? i've read update-aternatives isn't really good for different versions of the same program. |
| 15:54.50 | azeem | danieldg: apt-get install --reinstall <the package> |
| 15:55.01 | azeem | figure out which package the files are from you overwrote |
| 15:55.10 | heny | so, which partition scheme should i use @ automatical partition? |
| 15:55.12 | azeem | dpkg -S <file> tells you that, e.g. |
| 15:55.12 | dpkg | There is no record of a <file> tells you that, e.g. package |
| 15:55.24 | danieldg | azeem: problem is, I think I did that for all of the files that I knowingly overwrote |
| 15:55.24 | heny | all on one partition, desktop-pc, multiuser |
| 15:55.28 | limpio | abrotman: that is the one i use to install debian |
| 15:55.33 | simonrvn | now this is a first: sshd[XXXXXX]: Invalid user <!DOCTYPE from 84.40.238.47 |
| 15:55.35 | azeem | danieldg: what is the problem? |
| 15:55.40 | simonrvn | ... |
| 15:55.41 | azeem | and what is "I did that"? |
| 15:55.58 | azeem | you mean you reinstalled everything and you're still in trouble? |
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| 15:56.01 | pack | simonrvn: is someone trying to http://yoursshserver:22? |
| 15:56.03 | danieldg | yes |
| 15:56.05 | priscila | heny: i use two partitions on my desktop: / and /home |
| 15:56.08 | azeem | dunno then, sorry |
| 15:56.25 | heny | priscila: it's a gameserver |
| 15:56.32 | danieldg | I'm guessing there is some file leftover somewhere that is messing it up |
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| 15:57.16 | simonrvn | pack: looks like it. fucking braindead.... it's like seeing HTTP commands mixed in with SMTP commands. clueless people trying to kr4x0r you .... |
| 15:57.23 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.30 | abrotman | limpio: that's your fault .. don't screw up someone else |
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| 15:57.53 | simonrvn | (or bad spelling) |
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| 15:58.40 | heny | priscila |
| 15:59.07 | limpio | abrotman: it's a minimal install, at the end you use apt-get to install the apps you need, read it, maybe you'll learn something |
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| 15:59.49 | abrotman | limpio: trust me .. i have no need to read that out of date guide to installing sarge |
| 16:00.13 | priscila | heny: i dont recomment make only one partition /, if you need reinstall your system, and you have your files (wich you dont want to modify) in other partition, its easer than put then in a cd and restore it to modify / (e.g if you wish reinstall or change anything on /) |
| 16:00.19 | abrotman | HELP ME .. My debian accidentally installed SuSE! |
| 16:00.31 | priscila | s/recomment/recommend |
| 16:00.32 | stew | abrotman: apt-get remove it |
| 16:00.37 | abrotman | stew: heh |
| 16:00.46 | UdontKnow | abrotman: you can apt-get install gentoo |
| 16:00.55 | UdontKnow | abrotman: this is actually true! |
| 16:00.56 | abrotman | stew: "Package it is not installed" |
| 16:00.59 | abrotman | UdontKnow: i know |
| 16:01.01 | limpio | abrotman: what you need is to open your mind, if something is not like you say, it doesn't mean it's wrong, there are many ways to skin a cat |
| 16:01.03 | jengelh | abrotman : Owned! |
| 16:01.06 | stew | i love that the mg tells you how to package gentoo |
| 16:01.11 | jengelh | I just replaced debian by suse on a machine... |
| 16:01.15 | abrotman | limpio: the installer has changed since that document |
| 16:01.32 | jengelh | wonder whose it was |
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| 16:02.10 | playwitme | how do u get into the hottub |
| 16:02.17 | limpio | abrotman: Wrong! the only thing is that the apps have to be updated with a dist-upgrad, but the installer is the same step by step |
| 16:02.18 | abrotman | /j #hottub |
| 16:02.21 | heny | yes priscila, but exactly: what for a partitionig should i use for a gameserver? i have no idea |
| 16:02.22 | heny | :( |
| 16:02.24 | abrotman | limpio: wanna bet? |
| 16:02.28 | azeem | limpio: dude |
| 16:02.45 | azeem | limpio: don't advocate pre-sarge installers, please, kthxbye |
| 16:02.59 | limpio | abrotman: i just installed sid last week using the net-installer |
| 16:03.02 | abrotman | there was an rc3 .. and then an actual release .. which fixed many bugs |
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| 16:03.15 | abrotman | limpio: and what does that prove? |
| 16:03.21 | azeem | limpio: what works for you might not work for others |
| 16:03.27 | azeem | don't give ill advise |
| 16:03.28 | playwitme | no1 in the hottub |
| 16:03.32 | abrotman | do not recommend a document that is two releases old to install sarge |
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| 16:04.00 | priscila | heny: i dont have idea too, what google saids about it? |
| 16:04.15 | limpio | abrotman: i see your point: what am saying is not to use the rc2 version, but the instructions are the same, the net-installer i use is the latest |
| 16:04.15 | playwitme | how come no1 in the hottub |
| 16:04.38 | madclicker | how can i get procmail to deliver a message localy and also to a outside mail account? |
| 16:04.40 | abrotman | limpio: and the installer is different |
| 16:04.46 | abrotman | azeem: that's sam again |
| 16:05.03 | azeem | who is? |
| 16:05.12 | abrotman | azeem: playwitme |
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| 16:05.39 | playwitme | aborotman: who is sam |
| 16:05.42 | rem_ | . |
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| 16:06.02 | limpio | abrotman: no, the installer instructions work the same, the bugs are fixed, but if you download the latest net-installer and follow the instructions in the article, you have no problem |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | limpio: if you want to recommend a document for installing sarge(other than the official install manual), at least try to find one that is up to date |
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| 16:06.19 | danieldg | any suggestions on how to debug irssi not resizing? |
| 16:06.20 | playwitme | abrotman: my names is kellly |
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| 16:06.26 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 16:06.53 | abrotman | danieldg: don't you have to do that before you start irrsi? |
| 16:07.00 | limpio | abrotman: installing according to the manual and ending up with kde and gnome is stupid |
| 16:07.11 | abrotman | limpio: apparently you don't know how to read |
| 16:07.29 | playwitme | abrotman: who is sam |
| 16:07.32 | limpio | abrotman: apparently |
| 16:07.38 | playwitme | coz u think its me |
| 16:07.53 | danieldg | abrotman: sure, but what should I do? I've been starting a second irssi. strace and ltrace don't really give any useful info |
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| 16:07.56 | Ronin | wow aolers cant even cloak or troll very well |
| 16:07.57 | abrotman | playwitme: /part #debian |
| 16:08.11 | abrotman | danieldg: i thought you meant a terminal resize ... |
| 16:08.19 | danieldg | abrotman: I do |
| 16:08.28 | playwitme | abrotman: y what does that do |
| 16:08.29 | abrotman | danieldg: ctrl-l .. that's all i can think of .. |
| 16:08.31 | amee2k | how can i extract file in a .deb file? |
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| 16:08.49 | danieldg | abrotman: tried that, just helps a bit with the mess on screen, but doesn't actually fix the size |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | amee2k: ar x <deb> |
| 16:09.06 | abrotman | danieldg: i'm pretty sure you have to size the terminal before starting irrsi |
| 16:09.20 | danieldg | abrotman: I had it working 2 hours ago |
| 16:09.36 | amee2k | ty |
| 16:09.36 | abrotman | danieldg: uhm .. ok |
| 16:09.56 | danieldg | and for the previous year before that.. |
| 16:09.56 | playwitme | abrotman: what does that thing does |
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| 16:11.30 | danieldg | I've been able to find that ncurses programs in general don't work, but aptitude works fine. |
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| 16:12.04 | azeem | playwitme: do you have a question about Debian? |
| 16:12.31 | Ronin | azeem: why would they now? they didnt the last time you kicked them out earlier |
| 16:12.34 | azeem | playwitme: if not, then please do not disturb us doing support in here |
| 16:13.03 | playwitme | azeem: ok but i got no1 2 talk 2 |
| 16:13.07 | azeem | ah, *that* sam |
| 16:13.16 | Ronin | yep |
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| 16:14.18 | alex116 | how do i mount a usb stick? |
| 16:14.26 | alex116 | i mean what dev will it be? |
| 16:14.32 | azeem | alex116: do you run GNOME or KDE? |
| 16:14.32 | jengelh | depends |
| 16:14.37 | azeem | then it should be done automatically |
| 16:14.43 | alex116 | fluxbox |
| 16:14.45 | blondie | /dev/sdX1 maybe |
| 16:14.47 | lepton | alex116: usually /dev/sda |
| 16:14.48 | d4t2ilL4 | whats a good monitoring console appz to monitor ur network interface or traffic ? |
| 16:14.53 | alex116 | ok i'll check those |
| 16:14.56 | azeem | alex116: stick it in and monitor dmesg |
| 16:15.02 | alex116 | ok |
| 16:15.02 | blondie | yes dmesg will say |
| 16:15.02 | petemc | d4t2ilL4: real time or stats? |
| 16:15.05 | heny | is there somewhere a good guide to debian partitioning and the dir-system of debian/linux? cause i have no clue of it at all |
| 16:15.09 | jengelh | d4t2ilL4 : tcpdump iptraf ethereal tethereal ... |
| 16:15.22 | rvsjoen | anybody know of a console ftp client with curses-interface ? |
| 16:15.24 | azeem | heny: there's no one-good-way |
| 16:15.28 | abrotman | azeem: which sam did you think i meant? :) |
| 16:15.34 | azeem | dunno |
| 16:15.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:15.43 | heny | azeem: i have NO clue at all - i just want to understand the system to make my own thoughts |
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| 16:16.06 | azeem | the nick was sammylvz, so I didn't connect the two |
| 16:16.10 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 16:16.20 | d4t2ilL4 | petemc realtime |
| 16:16.23 | azeem | heny: having /home on a seperate partition makes sense |
| 16:16.37 | azeem | everything else is probably not worth it at this point |
| 16:16.38 | petemc | d4t2ilL4: iptraf, as jengelh mentioned |
| 16:16.52 | heny | yes azeem, but i have no idea of the WHOLE dir-system of linux at all |
| 16:16.53 | azeem | heny: well, only if you plan to have lots and/or important data on it I guess |
| 16:16.53 | d4t2ilL4 | is tethereal good ? |
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| 16:16.59 | azeem | heny: read a book |
| 16:17.05 | stew | heny: you'll want a swap partition as well |
| 16:17.06 | azeem | heny: or a tutorial |
| 16:17.10 | d4t2ilL4 | petemc, tethereal is around 24 meg :/ |
| 16:17.14 | heny | yes, but where which tutorial? |
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| 16:17.27 | petemc | d4t2ilL4: OH GNO!!! |
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| 16:18.50 | alex116 | ok the usb stick was at /dev/sde but it says wrong file system when I do "mount -t msdos /dev/sde /usb" same with vfat. how can I get the type of fs the usb stick uses? |
| 16:18.52 | d4t2ilL4 | ahhhh iptraf is whati've been looking for |
| 16:18.54 | sylow | hey, what packages can I install to be able to encode to xvid video's? avifile-xvid-plugin didn't help |
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| 16:22.40 | tombs | hi all |
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| 16:26.09 | osiris_ | running debian/etch, suddenly evolution started to be weird here, everytime I get a message with some graphics in it, evolutin crashs, just hangs, now I had to remove all mails from .evolution/mail/local to even get it started.. |
| 16:26.37 | alex116 | mount -t usbdevfs < found my problem thanks. |
| 16:26.54 | osiris_ | any ideas? tried to turn off fetching gif, but still same, I get formatting message and there it hangs |
| 16:27.28 | jengelh | Hm, where do I add boot parameters when using an initrd? |
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| 16:27.58 | Ronin | osiris_: checked the bts? |
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| 16:28.08 | osiris_ | bts? |
| 16:28.14 | Ronin | !bts |
| 16:28.15 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 16:28.35 | Ronin | someone was in earlier today with evolution crashing on etch, i beleive they found a solution there |
| 16:28.44 | osiris_ | no, I will check |
| 16:28.45 | Ronin | wasnt really paying that much attention mind you |
| 16:28.48 | jonas22 | not debian specific but, how can you specify the initial working directory for an xterm |
| 16:30.06 | jengelh | (cd /tmp; xterm) |
| 16:30.08 | jonas22 | i'm doing `xterm -e 'cd (dir) && (shell)'` now.. is there a better way |
| 16:30.31 | jonas22 | cd is a shell command |
| 16:30.33 | jengelh | as I said |
| 16:30.41 | jengelh | sh -c 'cd /tmp; exec xterm' |
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| 16:31.27 | jonas22 | that's good enough; thanks :) |
| 16:32.03 | lucox | hello boys, don't you have any problem by upgrading with x11-common FROM x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_all TO x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_all ? (unstable) |
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| 16:32.39 | Shadowcat | no problems here lucox |
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| 16:33.12 | LoPMX | hi |
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| 16:36.45 | mico | hi, im having a biiiggass problem |
| 16:36.58 | mico | anyone knows how to netinstall debian sarge when im having ADSL connection? |
| 16:37.04 | pokkie | hello all, have a strange problem. when i do a "ls" in my home directory, it doesn't return the contents of my home directory. instead it just 'hangs' there, not returning anything. i can ls a sub directory in my home directory just fine. any ideas? |
| 16:37.04 | mico | i just cant figure it out |
| 16:37.08 | lucox | ehm :( |
| 16:37.14 | azeem | mico: what is the problem? |
| 16:37.21 | pipeline | mico: Hmm. I'm pretty sure the net installer has PPPoE support on the disc... |
| 16:37.28 | sylow | hah.. no debian package for the xvid, it succeeded by downloading and compiling the core from xvid.org |
| 16:37.39 | bbrazil | pokkie: dmesg - does it show disk problems? |
| 16:37.40 | azeem | the netinst maybe, not the businesscard one I think |
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| 16:38.04 | mico | I downloaded netinstall for i386, i booted it up, it didnt found DHCP, so i continued, it installed base system, but how can i connect to internet now? |
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| 16:38.20 | azeem | mico: do you have an DSL route? |
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| 16:38.27 | azeem | or just a DSL modem |
| 16:38.36 | mico | azeem i have a modem, username and password, nothing else |
| 16:38.40 | jengelh | almost the same |
| 16:38.54 | azeem | mico: then you need to confure pppoe I guses |
| 16:38.56 | azeem | guess |
| 16:39.03 | mico | azeem how do i do that? |
| 16:39.11 | azeem | !pppoe |
| 16:39.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 16:39.25 | azeem | dunno if that is still uptodate |
| 16:39.38 | pokkie | bbrazil: yea, got the problem - thanks |
| 16:39.55 | mico | azeem i cant access aptidute because i dont got internet, and i have no idea how to enable ppoe in kernel |
| 16:40.17 | azeem | mico: try apt-get install pppoe ppoeconf |
| 16:40.36 | pokkie | bbrazil: wasn't a disk problem as such, problem is that one of the directories in my home directory points to a directory on another pc |
| 16:40.37 | azeem | if that wants to use the internet, you either need to download the packages on another box, or burn the full ISO-1 |
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| 16:41.13 | mico | azeem but if i download ISO-1 CD and burn it, then i can make aptidute source cdrom and install pppoe from there? |
| 16:41.22 | azeem | sort of |
| 16:41.29 | bbrazil | pokkie: NFS/SMB issue? |
| 16:41.32 | azeem | check whether it is on the one you installed from first, though |
| 16:41.44 | mico | azeem ok |
| 16:42.01 | fbhjr | my tank isn't cycling, how can I get nitrifying bacteria to take hold? |
| 16:42.03 | pokkie | bbrazil: smb |
| 16:42.31 | heny | ircii is the irc-std-client of debian right? |
| 16:42.33 | pokkie | bbrazil: just a timeout issue because the drive wasn't 'mapped' |
| 16:42.45 | jengelh | drives are mounted, not mapped |
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| 16:42.59 | mico | azeem and do i need anything else besides my username and password or is it complicated? |
| 16:43.26 | azeem | mico: I don't know, I never configured ADSL |
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| 16:43.38 | azeem | maybe try to find a tutorial on google |
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| 16:46.06 | mico | and one more thing, can anyone suggest some easy program what helps me to use CD-ROM more easily? |
| 16:46.13 | mico | i still havent figured out how to mount it manually from shell |
| 16:46.19 | mico | i need some wizard or something, newbie as i am |
| 16:46.27 | azeem | mount /cdrom |
| 16:46.39 | azeem | or use a desktop environment which mounts it automatically for you |
| 16:46.40 | maxy | or use KDE |
| 16:47.06 | Shadowcat | kde's automounter is screwy |
| 16:47.10 | mico | azeem i can prolly only use fluxbox or such, as im running it on 166mhz pentium with 32ram |
| 16:47.27 | simonrvn | !info apache sarge |
| 16:47.30 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-6sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 376 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
| 16:47.40 | simonrvn | !info php4 sarge |
| 16:47.42 | Shadowcat | mico: then start learning the console |
| 16:47.45 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 16:47.55 | jengelh | 24kb lol!? |
| 16:48.04 | Shadowcat | !lol |
| 16:48.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:48.07 | simonrvn | last one |
| 16:48.13 | simonrvn | !info openssl sarge |
| 16:48.17 | dpkg | openssl: (Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.7e-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 881 kB, Installed size: 2056 kB |
| 16:48.22 | azeem | simonrvn: can't you /msg the bot? |
| 16:48.29 | mico | !mount |
| 16:48.29 | dpkg | somebody said mount was a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 16:48.31 | simonrvn | yes, sorry |
| 16:48.35 | mico | !info mount |
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| 16:48.44 | dpkg | mount: (Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems), section admin, is required. Version: 2.12r-8 (sid), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 312 kB |
| 16:48.52 | azeem | mico: dpkg only reacts to factoids it knows |
| 16:48.54 | Shadowcat | stop abusing the bot |
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| 16:49.28 | azeem | Shadowcat: uhm, simonrvn just lead by example |
| 16:49.31 | simonrvn | i wasn't abusing it, i was being noisy about my queries, and i already apologised for it |
| 16:49.42 | azeem | yeah, no problem |
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| 16:52.00 | mico | btw one more problem, I tried to install Debian on my other 166mhz Pentium it was running win98 before, i gave right boot sequence to it, and it still ran windows, so i formatted the HDD, tried to boot from CD again, then it gave my the invalid system disk error, how it cant read ISO file if my other computer can? CD-ROM should be working (not sure, i killed bios becoz i had forgotten the pword) |
| 16:53.06 | POVaddct | mico: maybe the bios can't boot from cdrom? |
| 16:53.25 | azeem | or it tries harddisk first |
| 16:53.27 | mico | POVaddct i dont wanna boot BIOS from cdrom i wanna boot linux netinstall from CDROM, i killed bios |
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| 16:53.38 | mico | i changed the sequence to cdrom,hdd,floppy |
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| 16:53.57 | mico | i have some crappy Phoenix Bios some 1.0.x version, if i killed it, maybe it didnt detect my CDROM again? |
| 16:54.02 | mico | is it possible? |
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| 16:54.14 | POVaddct | mico: if you'd really killed the bios, the machine wouldn't boot at all |
| 16:54.20 | priscila | mico: you can reset the cmos |
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| 16:54.52 | priscila | if you have forgotten the password,of course |
| 16:54.53 | mico | well deal is that, after i resetted bios settings, i coulda used CDROM under windows, and coulda explored it, but then i tried to boot from it, and nothing |
| 16:55.03 | hoe | hi! how can I check which kernel module(driver) holds which device file node? |
| 16:55.08 | TGoC | Anyone knows how i can fix mysql swapping so much that my computer ran out of ram on debian sarge with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 16:55.52 | Gathond | TGoC: limit the number of concurrent connections? |
| 16:56.03 | Gathond | or perhaps limit its buffer limits |
| 16:56.08 | POVaddct | mico: maybe your bios doesnt like the bootloader on the debian cd (isolinux). some older bioses do not support no-emulation boot method. |
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| 16:56.22 | mico | ok, how do i fix it? |
| 16:56.27 | mico | i really need linux there... |
| 16:56.31 | TGoC | Gathond how to limit buffer? |
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| 16:57.19 | Gathond | TGoC: cant remember, haven't used mysql in the last couple of years, it might even be disabled in your configuration though, so the only option might be to limit the connection number |
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| 16:57.57 | mico | POVaddct is there any way to fix it at all:(? |
| 16:58.15 | POVaddct | mico: sbm (smart boot manager) might help |
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| 16:59.22 | POVaddct | mico: wget http://chris.silmor.de/sbm.iso |
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| 17:00.11 | mico | POVaddct but the computer is clean, i cant run sbm there without any OS? or is it bootable? |
| 17:00.30 | POVaddct | mico: burn sbm.iso to a separate cd and try booting it on the p166. if the menu appears, eject this cd and insert the debian cd. |
| 17:00.54 | POVaddct | mico: yes sbm.iso is bootable. |
| 17:01.08 | mico | POVaddct aight |
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| 17:04.33 | wendell3_ | What's the best filesystem to use in a somewhat power-unreliable environment? |
| 17:04.53 | azeem | ext3 |
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| 17:05.12 | wendell3_ | Cool. Thanks Azeem. |
| 17:05.47 | amee2k | hm... what does bind9 require /etc/bind/rndc.key for? |
| 17:06.36 | thefish | the /usr stack |
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| 17:08.13 | nbreen | amee2k: It's required for /usr/sbin/rncd to work, which in turn is a more graceful way of reloading zone files and the like without stopping and restarting the whole server. |
| 17:08.20 | POVaddct | mico: if the sbm.iso cd also refuses to boot, try installing sbm using the msdos-based sbminst.exe (http://btmgr.webframe.org/) in the installed win95 system |
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| 17:09.25 | Bounga | hi ! |
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| 17:10.31 | Bounga | Anyone using Debian Sid ? I've got problems with crontab, it tells me "permission denied" when I try to see or to edit my crontab |
| 17:10.32 | dondelelcaro | Bounga: you've got the wrong permissions on /usr/bin/crontab, or /var/spool/crontab |
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| 17:10.49 | hever | Hello, how could i find out the size of a folder in MB ? |
| 17:10.52 | dondelelcaro | s/conrtab/con/ |
| 17:10.57 | Bounga | dondelelcaro: I didn't change anything but what should be the right permissions ? |
| 17:11.00 | dondelelcaro | hever: du -hs foo; |
| 17:11.18 | thefish | heh |
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| 17:12.20 | dondelelcaro | Bounga: give me the output of stat -c %a:%U:%G /usr/bin/crontab /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
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| 17:13.07 | Bounga | dondelelcaro: |
| 17:13.07 | Bounga | 755:root:root |
| 17:13.07 | Bounga | 1730:root:crontab |
| 17:13.21 | dondelelcaro | Bounga: ok, you've done something to /usr/bin/crontab that you shouldn't have. |
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| 17:13.34 | dondelelcaro | Bounga: or you've got /usr mounted nosuid |
| 17:13.48 | roler | has anyone gotten an intel HD Audio sound card working with the 2.6.xx kernels? |
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| 17:13.53 | Bounga | no /usr is not nosuid |
| 17:14.01 | Fullmoon | What makes Debian so special? |
| 17:14.02 | dondelelcaro | Bounga: apt-get --reinstall install cron; |
| 17:14.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell Fullmoon -about why debian |
| 17:14.30 | Fullmoon | dondelelcaro: Bot down? :) |
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| 17:14.56 | dondelelcaro | Fullmoon: uh... it /msg'ed you... |
| 17:15.03 | Fullmoon | dondelelcaro: Aaah, yes, sorry. |
| 17:15.18 | Fullmoon | So, Ubuntu is based on debian, right? |
| 17:15.22 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 17:15.36 | dondelelcaro | along with a few hundred other distributions... |
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| 17:16.25 | simonrvn | ok, full preempt sucks on an old x86 |
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| 17:17.51 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: too much time preempting, not enough time doing work? |
| 17:18.06 | jonathan` | All the installations I've done on Debian up to this point have been pretty smooth, but this last one seems to have run into some trouble.. I'm trying to 'ifup eth0' and it keeps giving me the error "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy" |
| 17:18.33 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: exactly |
| 17:18.43 | simonrvn | it's a p3 500 |
| 17:18.53 | hever | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 17:18.57 | dondelelcaro | jonathan`: that generally means that you don't have the driver for the network card loaded |
| 17:19.09 | dondelelcaro | hever: np |
| 17:19.30 | jonathan` | dondelelcaro, ah |
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| 17:19.46 | TGoC | Anyone knows how i can fix mysql swapping so much that my computer ran out of ram on debian sarge with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:20.27 | dondelelcaro | TGoC: reduce the number of connections that mysql serves; fix the design of your database so that it doesn't require so much memory... |
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| 17:20.50 | jonathan` | Well without internet access on it, is there an easy command-based way to maybe find the right driver, or do I need to reinstall debian altogether? Probably a stupid question I'm sure, but this is literally something I've never run into with linux before at all |
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| 17:21.02 | obscuresoul | hello |
| 17:21.11 | dondelelcaro | jonathan`: lspci; should give you an idea of what netowrk card you've got |
| 17:21.21 | Bounga | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot ! |
| 17:21.42 | jonathan` | ah ok, yeah, I see it |
| 17:21.44 | dondelelcaro | jonathan`: you may need to use linux26; for the sarge installer, or try the etch installer to get the right driver. |
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| 17:22.44 | obscuresoul | everytime i try to clean the "recent documents" in gnome doesn't work! it only cleans if i logout i then login why? |
| 17:23.10 | jonathan` | are etch and linux26 on the install CD or should they be on the operating system? |
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| 17:23.25 | dondelelcaro | jonathan`: linux26 is an option that you use to the installer when you boot |
| 17:23.39 | dondelelcaro | jonathan`: the etch installer is a totally separate cd. But first, which network card do you have |
| 17:23.41 | jonathan` | ah, ok |
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| 17:24.12 | jonathan` | a realtek semiconductor RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
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| 17:24.58 | dondelelcaro | jonathan`: ok, you may be able to get it to work with just an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 17:25.06 | dondelelcaro | jonathan`: otherwise, use linux26 to bring up the card. |
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| 17:25.26 | jonathan` | internet doesn't work at all though, so i can't get anything through apt |
| 17:25.45 | abrotman | jonathan`: how did you install ? |
| 17:26.01 | jonathan` | abrotman, just like i always have, with the net install CD |
| 17:26.09 | vin` | it's funny, this machine cralls like crazy with XP, the screensaver brings it to a stop; however in sid everything seems zippy, including DRI. \o/ |
| 17:26.18 | jonathan` | but I guess thats where the problem comes in, since the driver for the card isn't there |
| 17:26.21 | abrotman | jonathan`: for future reference .. use the 'linux26' option to get a 2.6 on install |
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| 17:26.31 | jonathan` | abrotman, will do |
| 17:26.38 | abrotman | jonathan`: do you still have the netinst CD ? |
| 17:26.58 | jonathan` | abrotman, yeah |
| 17:27.15 | dondelelcaro | jonathan`: oh, sorry... thought you were using the full install; yeah, just reinstall with linux266 then. |
| 17:27.17 | abrotman | moment |
| 17:27.19 | dondelelcaro | s/66/6 |
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| 17:27.41 | vin` | wanted to check out google earth, the screensaver killed it. ;( |
| 17:27.48 | thefish | tax |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | jonathan`: if you pop that CD in .. you should be able to install the 2.6 from that CD |
| 17:28.42 | jonathan` | thats where another problem has come in though, for some reason the CD drive has been acting wacko on the comp lol |
| 17:28.44 | vin` | jonathan`: which iso is it? if you want a newer kernel, try something newer. |
| 17:28.55 | jonathan` | vin`, i'm pretty sure its one of the most recent kernels |
| 17:28.58 | abrotman | jonathan`: so oyu have no network and a wonky CD ? |
| 17:29.21 | abrotman | jonathan`: if you haven't done anything .. redo the install with a `linux26` option when the installer starts |
| 17:29.23 | jonathan` | the CD is fine, I've used it to install plenty of times, i think it's just the drive or the computer |
| 17:29.32 | jonathan` | yeah, thats what im gonna try |
| 17:29.34 | vin` | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:29.34 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 17:29.46 | Ronin | i love that one |
| 17:30.15 | jonathan` | lol |
| 17:30.24 | thefish | but the torto |
| 17:30.33 | jonathan` | yeah, it wont boot at all from CDs anymore it looks like |
| 17:30.42 | jonathan` | anytime you put a CD in the CD-rom spits it open again lol |
| 17:30.44 | vin` | jonathan`: USB key? |
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| 17:31.09 | jonathan` | usb keyboard? |
| 17:31.18 | jonathan` | not on that machine |
| 17:31.45 | jonathan` | basically seems like only thing im able to do is edit commands before boot |
| 17:31.51 | jonathan` | or get to a command line |
| 17:31.52 | vin` | jonathan`: does it have a USB port? can you boot off it? |
| 17:32.02 | abrotman | so the CD drive just broke? |
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| 17:32.29 | jonathan` | I'm not sure if it's broken exactly, because I don't know if it would do that in another computer or not, because it worked fine in the one we had taken it out of |
| 17:32.38 | jonathan` | The first one was completely shot, and this one is just a nutcase |
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| 17:32.57 | rvsjoen | can I install perl modules with apt ? |
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| 17:33.23 | simonrvn | you have our permission |
| 17:33.37 | jonathan` | lol |
| 17:33.43 | rvsjoen | just what I had in mind |
| 17:33.46 | abrotman | jonathan`: does the BIOS see it ? |
| 17:33.47 | vin` | rvsjoen: dh-make-perl |
| 17:33.56 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, please can you tell me if there is some command to update the gnome panel bar? When I boot something is wrong,,, some components are dead.. |
| 17:33.59 | jonathan` | abrotman, sure does |
| 17:34.08 | rvsjoen | vin`: thanks |
| 17:34.11 | jonathan` | computer even reads it when it boots up |
| 17:34.14 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: check the BTS |
| 17:34.19 | abrotman | jonathan`: and then what? |
| 17:34.20 | jonathan` | its just that it wont stay closed |
| 17:34.20 | simonrvn | rvsjoen: if it isn't in debian already, install what vin` said |
| 17:34.21 | jonathan` | lol |
| 17:34.30 | jonathan` | well, when it goes to boot up |
| 17:34.40 | jonathan` | it stays there, until I close the CD tray at least once (only with a CD in though) |
| 17:34.47 | jonathan` | and then it brings up the debian boot menu with the normal and recovery modes |
| 17:34.51 | jonathan` | but the tray opens again right afterwards |
| 17:34.57 | jonathan` | and anytime I close it, it just reopens |
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| 17:35.13 | abrotman | jonathan`: get a power stapler |
| 17:35.14 | diego | i want to uninstall gonome, i used 'apt-get remove gnome*' but i still have the gnome desktop with no incos by the way... |
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| 17:35.39 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, what is the BTS? |
| 17:35.42 | simonrvn | so you can power staple people's genitalia to the ground |
| 17:35.48 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: are you running unstable ? |
| 17:35.55 | UncleSkunk | hey |
| 17:35.55 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, etch |
| 17:36.00 | abrotman | !bts |
| 17:36.00 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 17:36.16 | mico | ok, i tried to use SBM (smart boot manager) on this old BIOS what cant boot up linux iso, but it wont even recognize the SBM iso fail (but windows boot cd works) HOW can i fix it... |
| 17:36.50 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, do you think it is a bug? |
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| 17:37.00 | mico | ok, i tried to use SBM (smart boot manager) on this old BIOS what cant boot up linux iso, but it wont even recognize the SBM iso fail (but windows boot cd works) HOW can i fix it...?? |
| 17:37.05 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: is it working correctly? |
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| 17:37.23 | jonathan` | abrotman, well, we'll probably end up using a new computer.. would you suggest I use the non-net install ISOs on the next one, or should I stick with net? |
| 17:37.31 | abrotman | i prefer the net |
| 17:37.34 | UncleSkunk | wow I was trying to explain how hitting up gives previous commands to my brother.. and he just doesn't get it |
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| 17:37.49 | abrotman | UncleSkunk: try a demonstration |
| 17:37.51 | SonnyBurnett | abrotman, yep everything is good,,,, last time I saved my configuration when I logout.,... since then it is broken |
| 17:38.24 | UncleSkunk | I did. but I guess his mind works on some other level |
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| 17:38.33 | abrotman | UncleSkunk: but win32 can do that too |
| 17:38.45 | UncleSkunk | how can you not understand that though |
| 17:39.07 | abrotman | your IQ is less than 60 ? |
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| 17:40.30 | UncleSkunk | Im seriously blown away |
| 17:40.40 | jonathan` | which version of debian would be best for running oracle, apache, and php only? |
| 17:40.53 | jonathan` | i've only ever used sarge |
| 17:41.09 | stew | jonathan`: whichever oracle's repositories are intended for |
| 17:41.18 | stew | jonathan`: which i believe is sarge |
| 17:41.36 | mico | So does anyone know how to get linux working from a plank computer wich bios dont support booting from non-windows cdrom? |
| 17:41.59 | jonathan` | ah, I don't remember ever seeing a recommended version, just that it was for oracle |
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| 17:42.12 | azeem | mico: if you can boot from a windows CD, you should be able to boot from others as well |
| 17:42.39 | mico | azeem well it doesnt work, i insert the iso cd and it just dont run |
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| 17:42.45 | mico | boot sequence is ok |
| 17:42.46 | azeem | and the windows CD works? |
| 17:42.50 | stew | jonathan`: find the oracle debian repository, look at their Release file in the repository |
| 17:42.53 | mico | azeem it does |
| 17:42.58 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 17:43.00 | azeem | mico: then probably the CD is bad |
| 17:43.01 | mico | azeem sbm didnt worked neither |
| 17:43.06 | azeem | what is sbm? |
| 17:43.09 | gnu2it2 | how to create a public dsa key from a private key with openssh? i cant find my notes:) |
| 17:43.18 | mico | azeem but my xp reads it and even autoruns it (the readme file) |
| 17:43.27 | jenipapo | how to burn a complete directory instead of the files it contains using gowispfs? |
| 17:43.28 | azeem | ? |
| 17:43.34 | mico | azeem smart boot manager, its program what you can use on old biosses to emulate boot |
| 17:43.36 | azeem | ah |
| 17:43.45 | azeem | mico: well, that doesn't mean the boot sector is OK |
| 17:43.55 | mico | well i try installing from floppies and then switching to cd |
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| 17:45.06 | abrotman | !tell jonathan` about oracle |
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| 17:45.39 | thomas | vou parlez que langue? |
| 17:45.41 | jonathan` | yeah, i've got that bookmarked |
| 17:45.47 | abrotman | jonathan`: admittedly .. that is for the express edition |
| 17:45.50 | abrotman | !fr |
| 17:45.51 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:46.00 | abrotman | thomas: english here .. french in #debian-fr |
| 17:46.00 | jonathan` | abrotman, yeah, we're planning on using express since its free |
| 17:46.08 | abrotman | jonathan`: ah ok |
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| 17:46.17 | thomas | on fait comment? |
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| 17:46.30 | jonathan` | unless theres some way to make mysql read from oracle, lol |
| 17:46.32 | azeem | thomas: /joing #debian-fr |
| 17:46.34 | azeem | eh |
| 17:46.37 | azeem | thomas: /join #debian-fr |
| 17:46.41 | abrotman | joing is french for join? |
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| 17:47.00 | grapefruit | anyone here taken the comptia linux+ test? |
| 17:47.00 | abrotman | jonathan`: you could try pgsql ... |
| 17:47.04 | thomas | je recherche mais il y a po |
| 17:47.13 | azeem | thomas: this channel is in english |
| 17:47.18 | abrotman | thomas: please .. #debian-fr |
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| 17:47.27 | ems | okay I didn't come to troll or anything |
| 17:47.30 | abrotman | ems: you came back to troll again? :) |
| 17:47.33 | jonathan` | abrotman, well, the customers we're making this script for are using oracle, so we have to be able to talk to that |
| 17:47.36 | thomas | oui mais je sait pas comment on fait |
| 17:47.40 | azeem | ems: got my finger on the trigger for the years to come |
| 17:47.49 | azeem | thomas: tu tape "/join #debian-fr" |
| 17:47.57 | simonrvn | thomas: ils viennt juste te montrer comment |
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| 17:48.04 | ems | I just want to talk to some developers |
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| 17:48.10 | abrotman | about what? |
| 17:48.14 | ems | Before I email debian-devel |
| 17:48.17 | simonrvn | viennent* |
| 17:48.21 | ems | abrotman: about replacing PAM |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | is that all ... |
| 17:48.48 | simonrvn | replacing PAM with what? |
| 17:48.58 | abrotman | PAMng! |
| 17:49.05 | azeem | ems: mail me the draft of your proposal at mbanck@debian.org and I'll tell you whether it's fine to mail debian-devel or not |
| 17:49.08 | simonrvn | PAM2 |
| 17:49.08 | ems | simonrvn: Factotum |
| 17:49.16 | ere | have anyone set up a solution automating ubuntu desktops via deb packages? (with a local repository consisting of a package where the installscripts do maintenance tasks (like installing customized files in /etc), my plan is to add a line to (ana)cron to upgrade this package periodicallya |
| 17:49.26 | ere | errm bit becce |
| 17:49.26 | azeem | ems: try #ubuntu please |
| 17:49.30 | abrotman | ere: ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:49.58 | ems | azeem: err, why? |
| 17:50.01 | simonrvn | ems: right. even if they did, do you know how long it would take to get everything working with that? |
| 17:50.10 | ems | simonrvn: yes. |
| 17:50.17 | azeem | ems: to figure out whether it is appropriate on debian-devel or not |
| 17:50.22 | simonrvn | try years |
| 17:50.23 | ems | simonrvn: to start in experimental |
| 17:50.28 | abrotman | azeem: he could just email the thing .. and then get flamed like he deserves |
| 17:50.38 | azeem | you can put it online somewhere and point us to it as well |
| 17:50.49 | ere | Not neccesarilly ubuntu, as long as the system uses deb packages it is not different |
| 17:50.56 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 17:51.02 | ems | do you guys know what factotum? |
| 17:51.03 | abrotman | ere: go to #ubuntu |
| 17:51.19 | stew | ems: lemme guess. Ken Thompson wrote it? |
| 17:51.36 | simonrvn | (and probably totally incompatible) |
| 17:51.40 | abrotman | no way .. djb wrote it! |
| 17:51.55 | azeem | ems: is it packaged for Debian? |
| 17:52.00 | ems | from usenix 2002: http://swtch.com/~rsc/talks/nauth.pdf |
| 17:52.03 | azeem | if not, the discussion ends here for now I guess |
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| 17:52.45 | ems | azeem: it was proposed that it gets added to unix |
| 17:52.55 | azeem | ems: GNU is not Unix |
| 17:52.55 | simonrvn | YAFP |
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| 17:53.05 | abrotman | Yet Another Fucking PDF ? |
| 17:53.06 | ems | azeem: it was put down because v9fs was not in the kernel yet |
| 17:53.14 | simonrvn | abrotman: ding! :) |
| 17:53.16 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:53.17 | ems | azeem: now that it is |
| 17:53.32 | ems | azeem: there is no reason not to |
| 17:53.36 | azeem | ems: really, get it packaged, make a proof-of-concept system and then mail -devel with a proposal |
| 17:53.43 | azeem | nobody is going to say "yes" or "no" in here |
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| 17:53.49 | abrotman | ems: perhaps you should do some preliminary work .. package it .. switch one of your systems to it .. then propose to debian-devel |
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| 17:54.04 | ems | azeem: I don't plan it on replacing PAM overnight |
| 17:54.23 | azeem | ems: Debian development *always* follows people who actually do/implement stuff |
| 17:54.26 | ems | abrotman: anyone using plan9port is using it |
| 17:54.29 | azeem | just proposing something will not work |
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| 17:54.37 | abrotman | ems: all three people? :) |
| 17:54.38 | azeem | ems: we're not doing Plan0 |
| 17:54.42 | azeem | eh, Plan9 |
| 17:55.04 | stew | what if ari wins? :) |
| 17:55.04 | ems | azeem: it might ;) |
| 17:55.14 | ems | abrotman: yes. |
| 17:55.18 | abrotman | stew: we have a cat BBQ ? |
| 17:55.23 | azeem | ems: you're quickly getting into the realm of trolling again |
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| 17:55.28 | stew | abrotman: and snakes on a plan9 |
| 17:55.33 | ems | abrotman: I did not come here to troll but rather to get trolled |
| 17:55.36 | abrotman | azeem: is he banned from #-devel ? |
| 17:55.37 | azeem | ems: factotum may be a nice thing, but prove it works on a Debian system |
| 17:55.42 | stew | abrotman: he is |
| 17:55.46 | azeem | yes, AFAIK |
| 17:55.47 | dbe | how can I remove all packages that is related to KDE? |
| 17:55.57 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 17:55.57 | Cicero_ | hingwah, got a problem while installing libapache-mod-auth-mysql. when i try it via apt-get it says : Setting up apache-common (1.3.33-6sarge1) ... addgroup: The group 'www-data' already exists. dpkg: error processing apache-common (---configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 17:55.57 | stew | dbe: remove kde-base |
| 17:55.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 17:56.03 | ems | azeem: it does. it just needs to be packages. which slowly will happen |
| 17:56.06 | colter | Can somebody give me a hint on how to correctly update Azureus (via Azureus' own update functionality)? I temprarily set the Azureus' directory in /usr/share to 777, that allowed me to update the plugins. The core update fails, however. |
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| 17:56.09 | ems | azeem: I might do it |
| 17:56.14 | azeem | ems: so do so. |
| 17:56.15 | Cicero_ | so i think the group www-data is always there, right ? |
| 17:56.20 | azeem | no need to further discuss this in here for now |
| 17:56.22 | Red_Cloud | !tell Red_Cloud about mta |
| 17:56.23 | ems | azeem: because all that it was waiting for is done now |
| 17:56.36 | abrotman | ems: if you're not willing to do some upfront leg work .. why should a DD ? |
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| 17:56.47 | azeem | let's drop it |
| 17:56.48 | ems | abrotman: I am not saying I wont. |
| 17:56.50 | dbe | stew, KDE is removed, but I got all Kxxx apps installed |
| 17:56.59 | abrotman | ems: then go do it .. then come ask |
| 17:57.00 | ems | abrotman: I want to have a discussion again if it should be done |
| 17:57.10 | ems | abrotman: because the last time it was done |
| 17:57.13 | stew | dbe: remove kdelibs |
| 17:57.22 | ems | abrotman: the answer was no because of v9fs |
| 17:57.27 | abrotman | or go one step farther .. kill libqt |
| 17:57.31 | azeem | dude, show us the code |
| 17:57.32 | abrotman | ems: go prove it works .. then ask |
| 17:57.34 | simonrvn | dude. they're saying come back with some pudding if you want debian it have that pudding |
| 17:57.36 | azeem | anyway, I'm out |
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| 17:57.40 | ems | abrotman: its time for it to go up for discussion again |
| 17:57.46 | abrotman | ems: DO THE WORK |
| 17:57.54 | dbe | stew, that only removed 3/100 KDE apps |
| 17:57.59 | simonrvn | s,it,, |
| 17:58.05 | abrotman | dbe: do you use any Qt apps ? |
| 17:58.07 | ems | abrotman: I don't think you are understanding or reading what I am saying |
| 17:58.11 | simonrvn | er |
| 17:58.14 | simonrvn | s,it,to, |
| 17:58.20 | azeem | ems: please stop right here |
| 17:58.22 | abrotman | ems: i am .. i'm telling you to make a proof of concept system .. prove it works .. then ask again |
| 17:58.42 | simonrvn | ems: no, i think you're the one not understanding |
| 17:58.45 | dbe | abrotman, kaudiocreator kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kbackgammon kbattleship |
| 17:58.45 | dbe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.50 | ems | abrotman: if that is what you understand then either I am not explaining correctly, or your not. |
| 17:58.53 | abrotman | dbe: no .. are you actually using them |
| 17:59.02 | abrotman | ems: i understand perfectly well .. please stop |
| 17:59.07 | dbe | abrotman, no I don't, I want to get rid of them |
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| 17:59.31 | abrotman | dbe: remove libqt .. but double check the list .. but it sohuld remove every app that needs Qt(which would be all KDE apps) |
| 17:59.33 | abrotman | or most anyways |
| 17:59.34 | ems | abrotman: I am a step before it replacing it. I am at the step lets discuse if it should. |
| 17:59.45 | azeem | ems: no |
| 17:59.46 | abrotman | ems: FFS .. PROVE IT CAN BE DONE |
| 17:59.47 | ems | *again |
| 17:59.54 | simonrvn | DO IT ON YOUR MACHINE FIRST |
| 17:59.57 | azeem | ems: *this* is not the place to discuss it |
| 17:59.58 | abrotman | don't ask us .. just go fucking do it |
| 18:00.01 | ems | simonrvn: I have. |
| 18:00.14 | azeem | ems: if you continue this discussion you will get silenced |
| 18:00.15 | azeem | 19:42 < azeem> ems: got my finger on the trigger for the years to come |
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| 18:00.31 | simonrvn | please do. this is going in circles |
| 18:00.37 | ems | I think I can only talk to one person |
| 18:00.46 | abrotman | no .. i'm done .. i gave him the fork .. he can make a new distro |
| 18:01.20 | TGoC | <dondelelcaro> TGoC: reduce the number of connections that mysql serves; fix the design of your database so that it doesn't require so much <-- how? :/ |
| 18:01.45 | ems | azeem: if you don't mind, I'll just email you? |
| 18:01.50 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:01.57 | azeem | with the draft proposal, yes |
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| 18:02.17 | azeem | ems: what's your real name so I don't drop it as SPAM? |
| 18:02.22 | Ronin | heh |
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| 18:02.55 | ems | azeem: thanks for reminding me |
| 18:03.11 | ems | better remove my name from the email I am sending you |
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| 18:03.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:03.36 | yggdrasil | will debian help me be more popular with the ladies ? |
| 18:03.40 | azeem | ems: sorry I gotta go now, maybe some other op will remove the +q |
| 18:03.43 | azeem | laters |
| 18:03.44 | abrotman | yggdrasil: make it pink? |
| 18:03.56 | TGoC | yes yggdrasil |
| 18:04.29 | yggdrasil | awesome |
| 18:04.29 | TGoC | abrotman? |
| 18:04.31 | grapefruit | azeem, what did ems want |
| 18:04.33 | yggdrasil | ill do ii then |
| 18:04.41 | simonrvn | grapefruit: /lastlog ems |
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| 18:04.48 | grapefruit | simonrvn, thanks!! |
| 18:04.53 | stew | ugh, grapefruit is another one |
| 18:04.55 | abrotman | nothing useful |
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| 18:05.23 | nse | debian actually gave me two really beautiful girlfriends |
| 18:05.25 | zood_ | anyone know of a channel to discuss pine, the email program? |
| 18:05.32 | abrotman | zood_: what about it ? |
| 18:05.56 | zood_ | can't seem to figure out how to set the "reply to" address |
| 18:05.57 | dondelelcaro | the only discussion about it worth having is "install mutt instead"? ;-) |
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| 18:06.17 | grapefruit | stew, i think you have issues with your father |
| 18:06.25 | danicuny | i need help with apt-get can some one help me |
| 18:06.33 | stew | grapefruit: ? |
| 18:06.46 | zood_ | Normally ctrl+R brings up the extended header which has the "reply-to" field. But in my pine there's no "reply-to" field |
| 18:06.58 | dondelelcaro | zood_: add one? |
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| 18:07.24 | danicuny | CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH APT-GET OR INSTALLING PROGRAMS |
| 18:07.32 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
| 18:07.34 | grapefruit | OH MY FUCKING GOD DONT SHOUT |
| 18:07.41 | grapefruit | sorry! |
| 18:07.47 | danicuny | i have triend man apt-get and it does not help me |
| 18:07.55 | simonrvn | try reading it |
| 18:07.56 | stew | danicuny: please don't use caps, if you have a specific question please ask it. tell us exactly what you are trying to do, and what errors you are getting |
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| 18:08.01 | danicuny | i did its confusing |
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| 18:08.08 | simonrvn | slowly |
| 18:08.17 | grapefruit | stew, no one cares about what you have to say, please keep it to yourself |
| 18:08.30 | danicuny | when i type apt-get and then the url or something it says its locked or something |
| 18:08.49 | grapefruit | danicuny, PM azeem he knows what to do |
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| 18:09.02 | eleftherios | it is the first time I see someone being banned from #debian... |
| 18:09.28 | dondelelcaro | danicuny: you need to be root, and it must be the only apt-get/dpkg process running. |
| 18:09.33 | abrotman | zood_: there's a pretty good manual for pine at the hosts website |
| 18:10.02 | danicuny | how do become root |
| 18:10.06 | danicuny | i have ubuntu |
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| 18:10.14 | simonrvn | go to #ubuntu |
| 18:10.19 | TGoC | abrotman you know how i can stop mysql from using all my memory? |
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| 18:10.22 | zood_ | abrotman, thnx, yah I guess "pine" should have been the first thing I googled ;) |
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| 18:10.48 | danicuny | aeem is not talking to me |
| 18:10.55 | zood_ | danicuny, `su - root`? |
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| 18:11.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@64.107.156.234] by dondelelcaro |
| 18:11.05 | simonrvn | f . f . s . |
| 18:11.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 18:11.27 | simonrvn | and no handy walls ... |
| 18:12.04 | abrotman | zood_: it should be in the options btw |
| 18:12.23 | TGoC | danicuny try man aptitude |
| 18:12.26 | danicuny | ok i am new to ubuntu so i just got the terminal thing yesterday and i need to get the drivers for my printer and i don't know how to |
| 18:12.34 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 18:12.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 18:12.36 | TGoC | and leave #debian when using #ubuntu |
| 18:12.47 | danicuny | isn't it the same thing?? |
| 18:12.51 | danicuny | see i don't know |
| 18:12.52 | vin` | danicuny: go to #ubuntu or install debian. |
| 18:12.53 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:12.53 | dondelelcaro | danicuny: no, it's not... |
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| 18:13.08 | zood_ | abrotman, yah, think I found good info at pine website. You're right the pine documentation at the site is good |
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| 18:13.41 | jair | hello guys... |
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| 18:14.25 | abrotman | zood_: i wouldn't lie |
| 18:14.37 | thomas | excusez moi vous pouvez me redonnez le debian francais...? |
| 18:14.44 | simonrvn | #debian-fr |
| 18:14.44 | abrotman | not again |
| 18:14.49 | thomas | merci |
| 18:15.00 | thomas | #derbian-fr |
| 18:15.12 | simonrvn | non, fais /join #debian-fr |
| 18:15.13 | vin` | thomas: /j debian-fr |
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| 18:15.18 | thomas | arf... |
| 18:16.46 | berloc | Hi folks. I know I'm off in the wrong direction here, but if someone can point me in the *right* direction that would be greatly appreciated. I've been trying to get Linux on my iPAQ and am having trouble -- anyone point me in the right direction for IRC support? |
| 18:17.18 | vin` | berloc: debian? |
| 18:17.49 | berloc | vin`, of course. :) variant, anyway... Familiar. |
| 18:18.16 | vin` | berloc: where are you stuck? |
| 18:18.32 | berloc | vin`, Bootloader... |
| 18:18.35 | mico | ok, now even windows cd wont boot up |
| 18:18.39 | mico | whats wrong with my bios... |
| 18:18.58 | vin` | berloc: installed already or trying to install? |
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| 18:19.09 | berloc | vin`, tried to flash the Linux bootloader in and it "faded away to grey" |
| 18:19.19 | berloc | vin`, Now I get nothing. |
| 18:19.20 | mico | i managed to install debian base system to HDD by placing the HDD into other computer and installing it to the, can i boot from CD using GRUB? |
| 18:19.34 | mico | after i resetted bios i cant boot anything from cd-rom |
| 18:19.38 | vin` | berloc: greyed, got old and died? ;) |
| 18:19.41 | mico | i have no idea how to fix it |
| 18:19.54 | berloc | vin`, greyed, went bye-bye and stayed that way... :( |
| 18:19.58 | LSorensen | mico: change the boot order in the bios? |
| 18:20.11 | mico | LSorensen did that, to the right order, nothing... |
| 18:20.23 | LSorensen | mico: is it a cd or dvd? |
| 18:20.32 | mico | LSorensen cd in a cd-reader |
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| 18:20.42 | mico | LSorensen it worked fine before i resetted bios |
| 18:20.42 | LSorensen | mico: and cdrom is listed before hd in boot order? |
| 18:20.54 | LSorensen | mico: well then there must be a bios setting you have to change still |
| 18:21.16 | berloc | vin`, know anything about this kind of situation? |
| 18:21.34 | mico | LSorensen yes its old Phoenix Bios some 1.0 |
| 18:21.47 | mico | LSorensen i dont even know how to detect cdrom there |
| 18:22.11 | vin` | berloc: never tried it, but if you're a bit more descriptive about how you're booting and so on, someone here might know. |
| 18:22.13 | rox | what would be the inverse command from fuser ... a command that would display all files opened by a process |
| 18:22.14 | mico | LSorensen it told me that its ATAPI-CDROM where it gonna boot...no idea if its actually the right cdrom or uch |
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| 18:22.57 | simonrvn | lsof |
| 18:23.15 | rox | simonrvn: right, thanx |
| 18:23.57 | berloc | vin`, Thanks. But from what I've read so far, the current state of the unit is known as being "bricked" as in it's about as useful as a brick. Looks like I might need to contact HP on this.... |
| 18:24.40 | UncleSkunk | so I've seen this thing were someone logs into another system(machine) and uses it.. is that a lot of work? |
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| 18:25.00 | abrotman | UncleSkunk: that's a bit vague |
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| 18:26.17 | simonrvn | !vagueness |
| 18:26.17 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 18:26.35 | UncleSkunk | so like say I have one monitor but two linux machines. and I want to do some stuff on the other with out switch out the monitor. I think its just a X thing.. God if only I knew what it was called |
| 18:26.44 | UncleSkunk | google time i guess |
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| 18:28.57 | UncleSkunk | remote X, thats what it be |
| 18:29.03 | Dantix | hi all, in a shell script what command/statement can I use to break it or finish it? |
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| 18:29.34 | loggygreg | ici on parle français (french) |
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| 18:30.52 | loggygreg | sorry wrong window |
| 18:31.03 | abrotman | darn french! |
| 18:31.21 | nse | Dantix: you can try exit |
| 18:31.49 | Dantix | nse: testing, thx |
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| 18:32.50 | Dantix | nse: you was right, thanks |
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| 18:33.13 | abrotman | UncleSkunk: xnest? vnc? |
| 18:33.42 | Dantix | nse: and what statement should I use to do an unconditional jump? |
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| 18:34.06 | nse | Dantix: you can give the exit status, 0 is sucess and 1 is error, ex: exit 0 |
| 18:34.10 | mico | Ok, noone knows how can i get my linux boot from CD-ROM on old Phoenix 4.0.5 BIOS? It booted fine before i resetted the settings, changed boot order back, nothing now, someone heeeeeelp! |
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| 18:34.33 | UncleSkunk | abrotman: I found a website on what Im looking for but thanks |
| 18:34.56 | Dantix | nse: exists something like GOTO? |
| 18:34.58 | nse | Dantix: what do you mean by an unconditional jump? a goto? |
| 18:34.58 | ouznext | UncleSkunk: what you can do is have the second box open it's Xsession on :1 . So (for example) you'll have box1 X on alt-F5, and box2 on alt-F6 ;-) |
| 18:35.17 | abrotman | Dantix: #bash ? |
| 18:35.28 | Dantix | nse:yes |
| 18:35.33 | UncleSkunk | ouznext: good to know |
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| 18:35.34 | Dantix | abrotman: yes |
| 18:35.45 | abrotman | i meant .. have you tried the #bash channel |
| 18:36.00 | ouznext | to do that log into box1 for example (the box where you have the monitor), and as root run: X :1 --query ip_box2 |
| 18:36.28 | ouznext | (X is the "X" command, just write the X letter) |
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| 18:36.55 | nse | Dantix: yes. here is the syntax: http://www.ss64.com/nt/goto.html |
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| 18:37.31 | Dantix | nse: thanks |
| 18:37.34 | mico | Does anyone know how to boot a CD with GRUB? |
| 18:37.34 | Dantix | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:39.01 | mico | anyone knows how to boot a CD with GRUB? |
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| 18:39.28 | pipeline | mico: CDs are not usually bootable via grub. |
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| 18:39.41 | nse | mico: you still with this problem |
| 18:39.43 | quinlan | ok, so I upgraded to sarge from woody and now I have a zillion exim processes |
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| 18:39.50 | quinlan | is this a known issue? |
| 18:40.08 | mico | pipeline thing is that i have BOOTABLE debian iso cd, but my old bios dont let me boot it |
| 18:40.17 | abrotman | It takes forever to upgrade mailman on a P150 with 24MB RAM .. is this a known issue? |
| 18:40.17 | quinlan | various " /usr/lib/exim/exim3 -q" processes plus the sh processes calling them |
| 18:40.21 | mico | pipeline ho can i get grub to boot it? i can run grub nothing else |
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| 18:40.46 | tom22 | hello all, my wife has a small office with mac and windows pc. I would like to set up a debian system as an automatic backup server. So far I found rsync and amanda. which one should I take or aren't they good at all? |
| 18:40.48 | TGoC | mico not lilo"? :/ |
| 18:40.58 | edrin | how can i use the pivot funtion of my tft in xorg??? |
| 18:40.58 | mico | TGoC nope, its grub |
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| 18:41.17 | UncleSkunk | I guess I did a boo boo |
| 18:41.23 | pipeline | mico: Not possible. |
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| 18:41.34 | nse | perhaps you can set grub to load something on the CD... |
| 18:41.39 | pipeline | mico: You can use a special version of grub to boot over the internet. |
| 18:41.45 | `wee` | hi @ all |
| 18:41.55 | mico | pipeline how can i get myself linux installed then... |
| 18:42.01 | nse | but the image should be at a visible location somewhere |
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| 18:42.06 | mico | pipeline i cannot boot from CD's anymore after resetting bios |
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| 18:42.16 | mico | pipeline i installed debian using other computer but same HDD, it wont work |
| 18:42.38 | LeVaK | strange error i have:) When I start the computer my system log stops when it mounts the last partition... I have to manualy restart syslog-ng for it to start logging. And it ocasionaly freeze my system. Localy everything works but I can connect to the computer. If I restart syslog everything starts to work... btw, how do I check md5sum of files in package? |
| 18:42.57 | abrotman | debsums |
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| 18:43.16 | caracal | has anybody successfully used the zoran (video capture) driver that comes with the 2.6 kernel? i keep getting panics when i use it, not during the capture, but after the capture is done ... gives "bad page state", which i thought was i/o related ... this is on sarge w/2.6.8 standard kernel and drivers |
| 18:43.36 | caracal | all net refs i found to that message suggest that it's hardware related, but i have reason to believe that it's not |
| 18:43.40 | edrin | how can i use the pivot funtion of my tft in xorg??? |
| 18:43.55 | LeVaK | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:46.37 | LSorensen | edrin: look for randr (xrandr) support and utility and hope it works with your video driver |
| 18:46.41 | caracal | i realize this is probably more of a kernel issue than a debian one, but i was hoping maybe somebody here had walked this path before |
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| 18:47.04 | edrin | LSorensen: hm. i tried this, does not work |
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| 18:50.47 | caracal | it just seems odd to me that i can install a stock debian "stable" system, which autoloads a stock kernel driver, then i run an app which uses that driver and i get a kernel panic |
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| 18:52.23 | Eulex | caracal, the 2.6.8 kernel in sarge is old and has bad hardware support for certain hardware. just because it's old. but it's stable as rock. you may want to try a newer one |
| 18:52.42 | LSorensen | edrin: well as far as I know, that is the only feature that support pivoting displays. If the driver for your chip doesn't do it, then you can't do it. |
| 18:52.46 | mico | LOL! I forgot to detect my cd-rom thts why it didnt booted! |
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| 18:52.53 | mico | well fuck i gonna hang myself, bye |
| 18:52.59 | LSorensen | mico: makes sense. :) |
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| 18:53.30 | caracal | Eulex: yeah, that's one option i'd considered ... before i loaded sarge on this box, i had sid on it, and was getting roughly the same thing, although the panics came with more info (and were recorded in the syslog, instead of being spat upon the console only) |
| 18:53.37 | edrin | k |
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| 18:55.16 | Eulex | caracal, heh, ok, doesn't seem like hardware support has gotten better then, just the errorreporting. you may want to contact the person responsible for that driver. or check if there are newer ones available. |
| 18:55.47 | jonathan` | is there a way to see which processes are using how much memory in debian? |
| 18:55.54 | caracal | i figured, eh, you might expect kernel panics with "unstable" (though i know they're rare even there, if you don't load wild random drivers and such) so i thought i'd give sarge a try at it |
| 18:55.56 | caracal | the 2.4 zoran driver won't even recognize my card, which apparently is a known problem |
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| 18:57.07 | LeVaK | strange error i have:) When I start the computer my system log stops when it mounts the last partition... I have to manualy restart syslog-ng for it to start logging. And it ocasionaly freeze my system. Localy everything works but I can connect to the computer. If I restart syslog everything starts to work... btw, how do I check md5sum of files in package? |
| 18:57.47 | simonrvn | abrotman already told you how. debsums |
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| 18:58.30 | simonrvn | ploink |
| 18:58.44 | LeVaK | ok |
| 18:58.49 | dan2 | Asg, how are ya |
| 18:58.49 | LeVaK | forget the last part |
| 18:58.55 | LeVaK | about md5 |
| 18:58.56 | caracal | Eulex: thanks, the driver guy has gone on to pursue his PhD, so i guess i can either take over the source, or whine and complain some more <g> |
| 18:59.08 | LeVaK | i'm still having problems with lockups |
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| 19:00.49 | shogunx | dan2 thanks for getting me thinking about some math again;) |
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| 19:01.58 | kurumin | Gostaria de saber se ha algum brasileiro por ai? |
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| 19:02.15 | Eulex | !br |
| 19:02.15 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:02.19 | Eulex | caracal, yw :) |
| 19:02.47 | jonas22 | !pt |
| 19:02.47 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:02.47 | SJr|nx | Hey question, is base-config no longer used at all, I'm not sure what to make out of the package details, that its in stable, and unstable but not testing? |
| 19:02.53 | jonas22 | :( |
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| 19:04.10 | stew | SJr|nx: its not in unstable. its no longer used. now the installer does everything that base-config did before the first reboot |
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| 19:04.23 | anarcat | helo |
| 19:04.23 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
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| 19:04.53 | Bac0n | i upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6 ... can i remove mkinird and use only mkinitramfs ? |
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| 19:05.31 | SJr|nx | Okay one more question, should I stop using apt-get and use aptitude instead? |
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| 19:05.57 | Fox_1_ | people I have problem with libexpat. it gives error when i run make. what's the problem. |
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| 19:06.26 | jonathan` | Fox_1_, that's a bit general |
| 19:06.29 | Ronin | Fox_1_: helps if we know the error? |
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| 19:06.50 | tom22 | hello all, I wan t to set up a debian server so the win and mac clients can back up their data automatic. So far I found three options: afs, amanda and rsync. Can anybody help me with this? |
| 19:07.31 | LSorensen | tom22: how about samba? |
| 19:07.41 | LSorensen | tom22: along with some backup tool? |
| 19:07.52 | jonathan` | I used samba + copy through a crontab for my backups |
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| 19:08.04 | anarcat | SJr|nx, i'm using aptitude all the time, real handy, especailly since it logs its actions through /var/log/aptitude.log |
| 19:08.04 | jonathan` | easy and gets the job done :) |
| 19:08.41 | UncleSkunk | is there a way to find out what my other boxes name is?, without actually getting on it (so that I can get in with X) |
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| 19:09.34 | tom22 | LSorensen: can Debian see throught samba the mac and win pcs? |
| 19:09.35 | jonathan` | tom22, definitely windows, im not sure about mac |
| 19:09.35 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:09.50 | maxy | Aptitude is "better" especially because of "automatically" removing unused packages. But it takes longer to start, and prints a big list of not-upgraded packages whenever you don't need it. |
| 19:10.05 | jonathan` | UncleSkunk, hostname i think? |
| 19:10.11 | stew | maxy: it doens't do that if you just use the CLI |
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| 19:10.24 | werw | Hi! When I want to change my xkb model I get :"Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property |
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| 19:10.25 | werw | " |
| 19:10.38 | maxy | yes it does, with the CLI |
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| 19:11.13 | maxy | apt-get didn't do this... |
| 19:11.14 | tom22 | jonathan: what about restore data. is it that the windows pc sees the files an can just copy it? |
| 19:11.28 | stew | oh, i was confused, yeah |
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| 19:11.45 | jonathan` | with samba, yes |
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| 19:12.25 | tom22 | jonathan: but with mac you don't know. and that is more important then win |
| 19:12.34 | vin` | what's the right way to fix this? "ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. ipw2200: Sysfs 'error' log already exists." |
| 19:12.36 | quiet | wow.. .totally off topic.. but did you guys see the bettie page movie that's coming out? |
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| 19:13.00 | vin` | quiet: sshh.. quiet |
| 19:13.12 | stew | vin`: did you just upgrade your kernel? |
| 19:13.12 | quiet | :X |
| 19:13.23 | jonathan` | tom22, yeah.. i don't really bother backing up things to a PC that is more probable to crash more than the PC im backing things up from :) |
| 19:13.35 | TGoC | Anyone knows how i can fix mysql swapping so much that my computer ran out of ram on debian sarge with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:13.41 | vin` | stew: Linux nirvana 2.6.16-rc6p-m-low-lat #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 19 15:47:21 AST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:13.43 | tom22 | :-) |
| 19:14.02 | stew | vin`: if you just upgraded the kernel you might need newer firmware |
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| 19:15.34 | kurumin | Alguem do Brasil? |
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| 19:16.18 | r_marvin | !br |
| 19:16.19 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:16.38 | vin` | stew: just unzipped the newest 2.4 .fw to /lib/firmware/, we'll see. ;) |
| 19:17.00 | stew | vin`: looks like there is a 3.0 too |
| 19:17.01 | priscila | kurumin: i'm |
| 19:17.25 | stew | vin`: i think 2.4 is what i'm using with 2.6.15 |
| 19:17.26 | vin` | stew: that's for ipw 1.1 and up. |
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| 19:18.04 | vin` | stew: the source in debian is ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, git-1.0.8 |
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| 19:18.32 | stew | vin`: yeah then 2.4 is the one |
| 19:20.38 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:21.00 | Daveman | hey :) |
| 19:21.04 | simonrvn | hi abrotman |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: HI! |
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| 19:21.45 | vin` | hi abrotman |
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| 19:23.23 | vin` | abrotman doesn't like me. ;( |
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| 19:24.12 | shadowarts | i switch exim4 to use Maildir instead of mbox and edited /etc/login.defs /etc/pam.d/login /etc/pam.d/ssh so it would still notify on new mail, but when i have new mail and type mail it says.... |
| 19:24.16 | shadowarts | mail: /home/shadowarts/Maildir: Is a directory |
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| 19:26.38 | koudelka_ | can anyone recomend a good program for formating a hdd? |
| 19:27.02 | koudelka_ | i know disks-admin but i cant find it :( |
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| 19:28.14 | bizkit | mkfs? |
| 19:28.14 | maxy | shred? (for removing the data before selling...) |
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| 19:28.24 | shadowarts | koudelka_, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda (etc) |
| 19:28.50 | mbishop | depends on how formatted you want it |
| 19:29.07 | koudelka_ | not formated at all now |
| 19:29.16 | koudelka_ | a new sata disk |
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| 19:29.23 | shadowarts | oh you want to PARTITION it? |
| 19:29.35 | koudelka_ | that too :P |
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| 19:29.39 | koudelka_ | sry |
| 19:29.45 | shadowarts | lol |
| 19:29.46 | shadowarts | fdisk |
| 19:29.47 | koudelka_ | sorry* |
| 19:30.16 | terminus | i formatted my pc and my dual boot is gone how can i boot my debian again? |
| 19:30.18 | vin` | maxy: why you shredding it mate? ;) |
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| 19:30.33 | lehmann | hola |
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| 19:31.25 | Kyo | hola a todos |
| 19:31.30 | vin` | terminus: is debian still installed? |
| 19:31.30 | lehmann | is it possible to build something like a simple shell when i only have the ability to read and/or write files on a system? maybe over /dev/tty or so? |
| 19:31.37 | terminus | vin`: yes |
| 19:31.42 | walrusnip | terminus: i'd try using a livecd to reinstall the bootloader in the mbr |
| 19:31.51 | Daveman | :) |
| 19:31.54 | terminus | walrusnip: livecd of ubuntu? |
| 19:31.56 | vin` | terminus: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 19:32.00 | Daveman | terminus, anything |
| 19:32.16 | terminus | i have a livecd of ubuntu |
| 19:32.19 | walrusnip | terminus: ubuntu is good for such things yes. |
| 19:32.28 | Kyo | I need help? |
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| 19:32.48 | vin` | Kyo: kyos nahi? |
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| 19:33.48 | terminus | vin`: can i do it on my ubuntu cd? or my debian installer? i think i lost it |
| 19:33.53 | Kyo | Somebody can tell me why the cd doesn't boot |
| 19:34.00 | vin` | terminus: any of them will do. |
| 19:34.08 | terminus | ok thanks |
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| 19:34.14 | vin` | Kyo: what error? |
| 19:34.17 | walrusnip | Kyo, try editing your bios. |
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| 19:34.30 | Kyo | I do it |
| 19:34.42 | walrusnip | Kyo, do other cd's boot? |
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| 19:36.21 | js_ | my system installed on a i686 cpu, but i know use an amd64 cpu... using the original repositories i could install an amd64 kernel, but im not allowed to grab one from backports... how can i make that work? |
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| 19:36.49 | m4jkl | hello |
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| 19:37.24 | m4jkl | is anybody here from slovakia? |
| 19:37.33 | jonathan` | is there anyway to tell how much of your memory is being used with debian? |
| 19:37.43 | walrusnip | jonathan`: top? |
| 19:37.56 | jonathan` | cool, ty |
| 19:38.11 | koudelka_ | how to find that unpartitionated hdd? |
| 19:38.29 | nbreen | jonathan`: also, 'free'. |
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| 19:39.18 | nbreen | jonathan`: the number on the "-/+ buffers/cache" indicates how much is being used that *isn't* disk cache. (usually it'll show almost all memory being used on the top "Mem:" line, which does include that cache.) |
| 19:39.23 | jonathan` | hmm.. doesn't look like intensive on the memory, but our sendmail is running really slow |
| 19:39.47 | jonathan` | too intensive* |
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| 19:40.43 | jonathan` | oh.. hmm.. on mem theres not much free compared to used |
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| 19:40.53 | jonathan` | 501424 used and 6876 free :| eep lol |
| 19:41.08 | hjubal | hi |
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| 19:41.49 | jonathan` | most of it's used up, but on 'top' nothing has more than like 2.1% memory usage |
| 19:42.00 | Kyo | I'm sorry |
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| 19:42.30 | ouznext | jonathan`: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 19:42.41 | Kyo | the problem is I don't know how to make a cd to boot |
| 19:43.00 | jonathan` | ouznext, i get basically the same numbers from that |
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| 19:43.48 | abrotman | dpkg: why does java suck? |
| 19:43.48 | dpkg | Because your daddy hates java. |
| 19:43.52 | ouznext | jonathan`: free is actualy the best tool, as say nbreen . I always substract the buffer/cache to have a real idea of what would be available to the system. |
| 19:43.54 | nono31 | hi |
| 19:43.55 | nono31 | I downloaded a cursors theme from xfce-looks and it says to unpack it in ~/.icons ... I've done this, but what do I do to really change the cursor theme? |
| 19:44.11 | Kyo | I download de 5 first CD's and I burn this how a cd of data |
| 19:44.11 | ouznext | abrotman: because it's SUN's ! |
| 19:44.16 | ouznext | ;-) |
| 19:44.16 | jonathan` | yeah, my free about is 6876 and 501424 is being used |
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| 19:44.37 | jonathan` | I just wish I knew what was taking up that much, lol |
| 19:44.42 | shadowarts | how do i fix this error: mail: /home/shadowarts/Maildir: Is a directory |
| 19:44.56 | shadowarts | do i need a different mail client since i changed to Maildir? |
| 19:44.58 | jonathan` | I'm running some server stuff, but not -that- much, and its not getting hit a lot |
| 19:45.03 | shadowarts | instead of mbox for exim |
| 19:45.06 | jonathan` | IRCd/FTP/sendmail/apache/mysql and thats it |
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| 19:45.28 | lilliput | hello .. I might ask the question that few other did if so sorry about it .. is this error normal "W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 189 191" ? got it on 2 different mirrors |
| 19:45.39 | lilliput | on 2 different hosts |
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| 19:46.22 | lilliput | when I did apt-get update .. sorry I missed the principal element |
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| 19:48.07 | nok | hi i need help on the installation of debian???? |
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| 19:48.18 | Shadowcat | !ask |
| 19:48.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:48.19 | nok | can somebody help me please |
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| 19:48.54 | jonathan` | on 'top', what is VIRT (i'm assuming virtual memory, but not sure), RES, SHR, and S? |
| 19:49.12 | wohnout-nb | Hello a i have problem with installation of debian. It wrote error that apt.deb is cracked can i fix it in installation or i must burn CD again? |
| 19:49.22 | terminus | vin`: thanks now it boot up. but i have a problem i disconnected my wifi and im now on broadband. my box doesnt have net connection. what do i need to check to have my connection? |
| 19:49.47 | ouznext | jonathan`: don't u have any cpu/mem/disk monitoring tool? You could use Cacti. It's a excellent front end to RRDTool+SNMP. Check www.cacti.net and my templates for Unix systems at http://adumont.hopto.org/~adumont/blog. |
| 19:49.50 | vin` | terminus: what wifi driver? |
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| 19:50.08 | nok | OK, I have a problem with my cdrom detection when im trying to install the small package cd that I just download...they say : charging yenta socket for toshiba....and its stock at 2 percent, i tried ...linux noapi nolapic at the boot and wont work!!! |
| 19:50.12 | jonathan` | ouznext, will do, thanks :) |
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| 19:50.19 | terminus | vin`: what i mean i unsubcribe to my wifi connection. and now im on broadband |
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| 19:51.11 | wohnout-nb | Hello a i have problem with installation of debian. It wrote error that apt.deb is cracked can i fix it in installation or i must burn CD again? |
| 19:51.11 | nok | should i try to download the 180 Mb package instead of the 40Mb one? |
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| 19:51.38 | nok | OK, I have a problem with my cdrom detection when im trying to install the small package cd that I just download...they say : charging yenta socket for toshiba....and its stock at 2 percent, i tried ...linux noapi nolapic at the boot and wont work!!! should I try the 180MB install instead of the 40MB |
| 19:51.40 | LSorensen | nok: using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel install? |
| 19:51.44 | terminus | vin`: any idea? |
| 19:51.48 | Perdignus | Hello - How do I disable the keyboard beep ( like for auto complete at the console ) ? |
| 19:51.51 | nok | 2.4 |
| 19:51.58 | LSorensen | nok: try the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:51.58 | nok | should i try the 2.6 |
| 19:52.00 | ouznext | jonathan`: in my templates there is a special graph to show the evolution of mem/free/shared/buffer/cache. You can actually see that when booting your boxes the RAM can be 20% used, and with time it gets almost 99% full (of buffer/cache!). It's a Linux thing actually. |
| 19:52.01 | nok | ok |
| 19:52.04 | nok | just wait |
| 19:52.06 | LSorensen | nok: how old is the laptop? |
| 19:52.14 | nok | VERY OLD |
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| 19:52.18 | nok | lol |
| 19:52.19 | LSorensen | nok: hmm, not sure. |
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| 19:52.24 | nok | shit |
| 19:52.25 | jonathan` | ouznext, nice :) will definitely use those then |
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| 19:52.26 | LSorensen | nok: I use 2.6 on everything I run |
| 19:52.34 | wohnout-nb | I have problem with installation of debian. It wrote error that apt.deb is cracked can i fix it in installation or i must burn CD again? |
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| 19:52.42 | LSorensen | nok: worth trying at least. |
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| 19:52.45 | nok | was working with fedora but its taking to much space and my gentoo installation wont work |
| 19:52.47 | ouznext | jonathan`: HP-UX has a kernel parameter taht regulate the maximum the kernel can assign to buffer cache, but linux don't (a pitty)! |
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| 19:53.26 | zood_ | Anybody have an opinion on whether it makes sense to put kde 3.5 on debian sarge? |
| 19:53.27 | LSorensen | nok: toshiba laptops are a nightmare in my experience. Too proprietary. I know sometimes you could change the pcmcia mode in the bios, and they would work better with linux. |
| 19:53.27 | nok | so I though my last resort was debian |
| 19:53.30 | Ksilebo | Anyone have experience getting a 3ware 9550SX or LSI Megaraid SATA 300 working in Debian? I have a choice between those 2 cards and need a turnkey solution without messing with drivers. |
| 19:53.31 | terminus | what do i need to check in my box to run broadband connection? |
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| 19:53.38 | LSorensen | nok: no your last resort is a better laptop. :) |
| 19:53.39 | wohnout-nb | I have problem with installation of debian. It wrote error that apt.deb is cracked can i fix it in installation or i must burn CD again? |
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| 19:54.05 | LSorensen | Ksilebo: I read recently someone found that 3ware offers modified sarge installer images with 3ware card support added in |
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| 19:54.15 | LSorensen | Ksilebo: someone tried them and said it worked great |
| 19:54.21 | nok | FUCK YOUR THE BEST IT SEEM TO WORK |
| 19:54.22 | Ksilebo | LSorensen: With 64bit linux? |
| 19:54.32 | LSorensen | Ksilebo: I don't remeber for sure. |
| 19:54.34 | Ksilebo | Well, 64bit. |
| 19:54.35 | nok | 100% WOUOUOU |
| 19:54.39 | wohnout-nb | can someone answer my question??????? |
| 19:54.44 | LSorensen | nok: 2.6 is a bit better? |
| 19:54.58 | nok | LSORENSEN:Thanks a lot |
| 19:55.05 | LSorensen | nok: well that was easy. :) |
| 19:55.07 | nok | wont bug at least...YET...hahahaha |
| 19:55.30 | nok | i though of trying it but i though will be worse cause the age of the comp |
| 19:55.32 | wohnout-nb | debian sux |
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| 19:55.53 | moshii | nice and brave there.. |
| 19:55.57 | asg | impatient moron |
| 19:55.59 | rvsjoen | heh |
| 19:56.24 | terminus | hello im trying to run my debian box on broadband connection. can somebody help me? |
| 19:56.36 | rvsjoen | with what ? |
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| 19:56.39 | tijn | erhm iam runnin blootbot, and i set in the config, run as user bloodbot, but it doenst, it only shows as root |
| 19:56.40 | moshii | terminus: what sort of connection |
| 19:56.48 | D13GU__ | hi all! |
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| 19:57.04 | D13GU__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.19 | Ksilebo | LSorensen: debian_sarge_3.1_9500S_9550SX_support_x86_64 .iso :) |
| 19:57.24 | LSorensen | Ksilebo: yay! |
| 19:57.29 | asg | D13GU__: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 19:57.38 | terminus | moshii: im on broadband now. and i dont have a net connection a couple of weeks ago im on a wifi and it works now i dont have internet when i shift to broadband |
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| 19:57.46 | LSorensen | Ksilebo: that's the ones. Yeah I do remember they had amd64 now that I think about it. |
| 19:57.52 | D13GU__ | thank |
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| 19:58.13 | tijn | how can i make a program that only runs as root, available for a user? |
| 19:58.20 | asg | tijn: sudo |
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| 19:58.23 | nok | LSORENSEN: |
| 19:58.30 | nok | I have another quation |
| 19:58.39 | moshii | terminus: what are you using for your broadband connection ... did you update your resolv.conf etc when you switched? |
| 19:58.44 | tijn | hmm and it appears it is running as the user? |
| 19:58.51 | terminus | moshii: no how to update it? |
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| 19:58.56 | tijn | gonna test it, moment, thnx :) |
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| 20:00.11 | nok | I made some change on my usb external device to plug a dvd-r AND a hd one slave the other master and both were detect on windows, but when I was trying my gentoo installation only one was working, do u think it can work on linux too???? |
| 20:00.25 | moshii | terminus: well if your connection changed your DNS servers, gateway etc has probably changed. But I really need to know how you're turing to connect, some sort or modem, router etc.. and what exactly isn't working |
| 20:00.37 | werw | nok: #gentoo |
| 20:00.54 | moshii | terminus: s/turing/trying |
| 20:01.03 | nok | no no....my question is to know if its going to work on debian |
| 20:01.07 | jonathan` | ouznext, where do you configure users for cacti? |
| 20:01.14 | jonathan` | in the db? |
| 20:01.14 | terminus | moshii: router of the broadband. this laptop and my desktop connection using the braodband router |
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| 20:01.20 | automac | quick question: i just installed 3.1r1 stable on an old powerpc. i'd like to go to a newer set of packages... i'm not really familiar with debian, but is that accomplished with apt-get dist-upgrade? and is it worth is on a fresh install, or would it be better just to go with a fresh install? |
| 20:01.24 | nok | Is 32 MB enough for the /boot of debian? |
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| 20:01.49 | asg | nok: it is if you are only going to use one or two kernels |
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| 20:01.58 | nok | only one |
| 20:02.06 | asg | nok: then that will be fine |
| 20:02.12 | nok | and is ext2 the best fo it |
| 20:02.18 | moshii | terminus: ah, ok. are you using dhcp? |
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| 20:02.24 | Maulkin | automac: You should eb fine with a dist-upgrade |
| 20:02.26 | asg | nok: I've never had a problem running ext3 on /boot ever |
| 20:02.34 | Maulkin | automac: Bear in mind, there is NO downgrade path |
| 20:02.36 | nok | and should i use reiserfs or ext3 for the rest? |
| 20:02.42 | tijn | asg, it still appears as root |
| 20:02.49 | terminus | moshii: yeah i think my wifi uses dhcp |
| 20:02.50 | ouznext | jonathan`: have you installed Cacti already? |
| 20:02.54 | jonathan` | ouznext, yeah |
| 20:02.57 | Shadowcat | nok: first off |
| 20:02.58 | moshii | nok: XFS or EXT3 |
| 20:03.00 | rvsjoen | is there any reason to have journalling on a boot partition ? |
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| 20:03.02 | Shadowcat | are you installing gentoo or debian? |
| 20:03.10 | Shadowcat | nok: if you're installing gentoo, go ask them |
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| 20:03.12 | Shadowcat | NOT US |
| 20:03.12 | asg | tijn: yes, sudo will do that. Maybe try #blootbot (if it exists) or #debian-bots for blootbot help |
| 20:03.12 | moshii | terminus: you can get a connection on the wireless but not on the wired then? |
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| 20:03.20 | terminus | moshii: yeah |
| 20:03.22 | Maulkin | nok: If the box doesn't have a UPS, I'd suggest just using ext3 |
| 20:03.37 | Shadowcat | Maulkin: let's try and establish if he's even installing debian |
| 20:03.40 | nok | DEBIAN |
| 20:03.42 | tijn | debian bots! thnx m8 |
| 20:03.47 | moshii | terminus: try running dhclient eth0 |
| 20:04.06 | nok | i have a 2.2 GIG....:( is EXT the best????or REiFS |
| 20:04.08 | Maulkin | Shadowcat: Ahh, point. |
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| 20:04.15 | Shadowcat | !tell nok about best |
| 20:04.16 | asg | nok: it depends on what you are going to use it for |
| 20:04.22 | asg | !fs comparison |
| 20:04.22 | dpkg | methinks filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 20:04.25 | asg | nok: ^^^ |
| 20:04.29 | jonathan` | ok I've found the tables for the users but the password are encrypted, with MD5 I'd assume |
| 20:04.40 | terminus | moshii: thanks it works now.. but wait when i reboot do i need to type it again? |
| 20:05.00 | jonathan` | nevermind.. its just like a router, admin/admin |
| 20:06.23 | liran | in general, is linux compatible (knows how to work) with duo core processors laptops? |
| 20:06.23 | nok | downloading...on my ertenal usb |
| 20:06.23 | nok | thats it |
| 20:06.23 | nok | and net stuff |
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| 20:06.23 | zood_ | Where could I find info on getting kde 3.5 running on sarge? |
| 20:06.24 | TGoC | !tell nok about ricerfs |
| 20:06.24 | werw | nok: I think in normal conditions reiserfs is better |
| 20:06.24 | nok | thanks |
| 20:06.25 | nok | sorry im newbee |
| 20:06.25 | \amethyst | reiser3 doesn't support extended attrs |
| 20:06.25 | \amethyst | but is a fair bit faster |
| 20:06.25 | \amethyst | (than ext3) |
| 20:06.25 | TGoC | ext is stabler |
| 20:06.26 | \amethyst | yes |
| 20:06.26 | TGoC | reiser is faster |
| 20:06.26 | ouznext | jonathan`: (apt rulez). In the Console menu, select User Management. (Cacti's user management can seem a bit tricky.) In my case I'm the only user of my Cacti, so I use the admin. |
| 20:06.26 | moshii | nok: reiser is crap, with such a small drive you'd be best off using ext3 |
| 20:06.26 | nok | amethyst: what is attrs for? |
| 20:06.26 | Shadowcat | reiser4 0wns j00 |
| 20:06.27 | \amethyst | nok: used for storing extra information about a file.... I think beagle uses them, for one |
| 20:06.27 | mico | anyone knows how to download the whole package needed for gcc3.x? |
| 20:06.30 | nok | mosshi...THANKS done with that i did it in ext3 |
| 20:06.30 | moshii | liran: I think it works, google "linux due core" |
| 20:06.38 | ouznext | the first time, enter with admin/admin ;-) |
| 20:06.41 | mico | i cannot use aptidute becoz i dont got internet connection, i need to download gcc to CD |
| 20:06.44 | jonathan` | yeah, it'll probably be the same way for me |
| 20:06.49 | terminus | moshii: thanks it works now.. but wait when i reboot do i need to type it again? |
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| 20:06.59 | werw | moshii: please explain with reasons, not with this vocabulary |
| 20:07.01 | unstable | !test |
| 20:07.01 | dpkg | Yes, unstable, you're still online. |
| 20:07.02 | TGoC | !ricerfs |
| 20:07.02 | dpkg | [ricerfs] the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 20:07.04 | ouznext | jonathan`: No need to tweak the cacti db ! |
| 20:07.14 | jonathan` | yeah, I was just wondering what the password was :) |
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| 20:07.31 | moshii | terminus: you need to configure your interfaces, look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:07.34 | Shadowcat | !beat TGoC |
| 20:07.35 | ouznext | jonathan`: RTFM can help actually ;-) |
| 20:07.46 | TGoC | !kick Shad0wcat |
| 20:07.52 | jonathan` | ouznext, it always does, but with something like that im pretty lazy lol |
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| 20:08.01 | jonathan` | i assumed it would've used the database username and password |
| 20:08.16 | moshii | werw: reiser has a tendency to die and badly, XFS is better that ext3 in my opinion but only if you're playing with lots of big files .. on 2.2gig he isn't going to have many of those |
| 20:08.19 | TGoC | !tell shadowcat about trolls |
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| 20:08.28 | moshii | werw: s/that/than |
| 20:08.39 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 20:08.44 | jonathan` | hmm.. either its stuck or it just takes a while to graph |
| 20:08.48 | Shadowcat | I use reiser4, no problems what so ever |
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| 20:09.19 | TGoC | Shadowcat some people have no problem at all |
| 20:09.20 | nok | im using a 233MMX processer....should I take gnome anyway? |
| 20:09.26 | TGoC | some people only have problems |
| 20:09.28 | terminus | moshii: ok it says auto eth0 address 192.168.2.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.2.255 network 192.168.2.0 gateway 192.168.2.1 |
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| 20:09.30 | moshii | Shadowcat: It's fine until your hardware starts failing |
| 20:09.48 | Shadowcat | if my hardware starts failing |
| 20:09.52 | nok | im using a 233MMX processer....should I take gnome anyway? |
| 20:09.55 | Shadowcat | it isn't the fs' fault now is it? |
| 20:09.56 | ouznext | jonathan`: it recolect metrics by SNMP every 5min, and graph them. Wait a while until it have enough metrics to graph something ;-) |
| 20:09.57 | asg | nok: I'd go with something leaner |
| 20:10.16 | TGoC | Shadowcat if reiser causes it |
| 20:10.29 | jonathan` | ouznext, ah, ok.. it was just saying "Is Being Graphed" so I thought it was in the middle of the process of doing so, lol |
| 20:10.51 | TGoC | then nyes |
| 20:10.51 | mngrif | nok, might I suggest windowmaker? |
| 20:10.51 | nok | asg??? sorry i dont understand...my english's not that good |
| 20:10.51 | Shadowcat | TGoC: note, I ain't using Reiser3 |
| 20:10.51 | zood__ | Approximately how often (if ever) does etch break on a `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` ? |
| 20:10.52 | ouznext | jonathan`: anyway, I recommend you to have a look at my template, read how to install them (INSTALL), and try them |
| 20:10.52 | Shadowcat | I'm using Reiser4 |
| 20:10.52 | TGoC | Shadowcat reiser remains reiser |
| 20:10.52 | TGoC | :p |
| 20:10.53 | moshii | Shadowcat: well it isn't the fs' fault, but with xfs you at least have a chance of getting some of your data |
| 20:10.56 | moshii | Shadowcat: has neat low-level fiddling tools too :) |
| 20:11.02 | zood__ | nok, I would suggest fluxbox |
| 20:11.06 | jonathan` | ouznext, yeah, definitely will :) |
| 20:11.16 | nok | mngrif:will it be as functionnal?? |
| 20:11.18 | asg | nok: use fluxbox or xfce or fvwm2; gnome will not run well if that is all you have |
| 20:11.25 | TGoC | !tell Shadowcat about trolling |
| 20:11.30 | abrotman | Shadowcat: is that on RAID0 too ? :) |
| 20:11.33 | terminus | moshii: ok it says auto eth0 address 192.168.2.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.2.255 network 192.168.2.0 gateway 192.168.2.1 what do i need to replacE? |
| 20:11.33 | mngrif | nok, it will be light enough to be usable |
| 20:11.34 | moshii | terminus: is there a line with "inet static" in there? |
| 20:11.35 | nok | Fluxbox....somebody talked to my about that....what is it? |
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| 20:11.43 | automac | Maulkin: sorry I got sidetracked... so a dist-upgrade should work fine? if i've read right i just edit my sources.list and change all the mirrors from stable to testing or unstable and just run `apt-get dist-upgrade` ? |
| 20:11.44 | quiet | nok, a window manager. |
| 20:11.51 | terminus | moshii: yes |
| 20:11.51 | Shadowcat | abrotman: no, now if you're using raid0 |
| 20:11.53 | Shadowcat | you are stupid |
| 20:12.06 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i say the same about reiser :) |
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| 20:12.12 | nok | quiet:good graphic or poor graphic? |
| 20:12.13 | terminus | moshii: iface eth0 inet static |
| 20:12.14 | Shadowcat | !beat abrotman |
| 20:12.22 | automac | lol |
| 20:12.22 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 20:12.25 | abrotman | !phillysmite Shadowcat |
| 20:12.26 | Maulkin | automac: "apt-get update" then "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 20:12.27 | moshii | terminus: change "static" to "dhcp" and get rid of the address gateway etd |
| 20:12.28 | mngrif | i've been using ext and reiser3 for years now without a single problem |
| 20:12.30 | zood__ | !tell nok about fluxbox |
| 20:12.31 | quiet | nok, what do you mean?? it's relatively minimalistic... you can see screenshots at fluxbox.org |
| 20:12.31 | blondie | glue! |
| 20:12.35 | moshii | terminus: gateway etc |
| 20:12.37 | TGoC | !abuse |
| 20:12.38 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 20:12.38 | Shadowcat | mngrif: I don't either |
| 20:12.41 | automac | Maulkin: thanks! |
| 20:12.44 | terminus | moshii: ayt thanks |
| 20:12.47 | Shadowcat | I find it ironic that a lot of people do though |
| 20:12.52 | Shadowcat | then again |
| 20:13.00 | Shadowcat | I use KDE |
| 20:13.02 | Maulkin | automac: I don't think there's any problems with doing that at the moment. |
| 20:13.06 | Shadowcat | and I know that ticks off A LOT of people |
| 20:13.06 | moshii | terminus: then try ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 to make sure it work |
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| 20:13.22 | moshii | Shadowcat: KDE is the shinatz |
| 20:13.26 | mngrif | infact, i had some distro go ahead and format my ext3 partition, after I killed the format half way through, fsck.ext2 was still able to get my files back |
| 20:13.32 | terminus | oks |
| 20:13.47 | moshii | Shadowcat: that's southwest homie speak for "good" |
| 20:13.49 | fluor- | hey - how can I choose to yse xfree86 on xorg? I remember debconf asked me at some point - but I can't remember which package to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:13.53 | automac | hm... well here goes. bbl hopefully |
| 20:14.00 | sandman | Is there ever a time one should give a money-order as rent? |
| 20:14.02 | sandman | Hm.. wrong chan |
| 20:15.03 | mngrif | sandman, i do it all the time. banks suck :\ |
| 20:15.04 | nok | I dont have a lot of memory, will it really change something if im using a big swap? |
| 20:15.04 | jelly | mngrif: I had reiser3, it was pushed to more than 90% usage at one time. Performance went down the toilet, and stayed there even after cleaning up. |
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| 20:15.05 | zood__ | nok, I usually make swap same size as physical mem |
| 20:15.05 | moshii | sandman: you should never pay rent |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | sandman: if you want a reciept ? |
| 20:15.05 | quiet | nok, it's small.. .so it will run much faster.... what are you using now? |
| 20:15.34 | kill-9 | hey i have a question how can you installed a joystick it's a logitech attack3 joystick, any suggestion on how to installed it? |
| 20:15.37 | jonathan` | log is giving me CMDPHP: Poller[0] Host[1] WARNING: Result from SNMP not valid. Partial Result: |
| 20:15.37 | kill-9 | so i can play a game |
| 20:15.39 | mngrif | jelly, strange, i've never had that problem. then again, you can't fit much on a 10 gig drive |
| 20:15.41 | jelly | mngrif: this was a news spool with 300-500 concurrent users, so... ymmv. ;-) |
| 20:15.42 | nok | 233MMX, 64MB, then i put 356MB of swap. |
| 20:15.49 | mngrif | jelly, this is / |
| 20:16.01 | nok | quit:233MMX, 64MB, then i put 356MB of swap. |
| 20:16.06 | quiet | nok, you want fluxbox or blackbox or jwm |
| 20:16.07 | Ksilebo | LSorensen: Thanks for your help. |
| 20:16.09 | moshii | kill-9: google the joystick name and append debian |
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| 20:16.19 | nok | quiet:I wanted Gnome |
| 20:16.21 | nok | lol |
| 20:16.26 | quiet | no the hell you don;t..lol |
| 20:16.34 | terminus | moshii: thanks again it works :) |
| 20:16.34 | nok | might use fluxbox |
| 20:16.36 | mngrif | gnome will be impossible on a 233 |
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| 20:16.47 | moshii | terminus: no problem :) |
| 20:16.56 | asg | mngrif: not impossible, just unusable |
| 20:17.02 | nok | mngrif:I was using it on Redhat 7...2 days ago...was not that bad |
| 20:17.05 | quiet | check out fluxbox... openbox is very similar.. just a little more minimlaistic... jwm isn't really like either.. but is also very minimal |
| 20:17.07 | quiet | i like it. |
| 20:17.18 | mngrif | asg, if it's unusable, it's impossible to use :P |
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| 20:17.37 | quiet | nok, gnome on rh7 and gnome on anything modern are very different. |
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| 20:17.45 | moshii | quiet: don't you find them slightly clumsy? |
| 20:17.49 | asg | mngrif: I consider it unusable on dual proc machines with gigs of ram too but that's just me |
| 20:17.50 | zood__ | nok, fluxbox is pretty damn cool IMHO and gnome is gonna load your system too much |
| 20:17.52 | quiet | moshii, wat? |
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| 20:18.18 | mngrif | asg, to be honest, i just don't like gnome :P |
| 20:18.26 | moshii | quiet: the "desktops" like wmaker, fluxbox .. they always feel a bit clumsy to me |
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| 20:18.41 | quiet | moshii, no... not at all. |
| 20:18.44 | mico | How the hell im supposed to get GCC working on my debian shell without internet connection and nothing but BASE debian system???? Someone tell me where to get GCC package, i got other ocmputer on internet and can write to CD!!!!! |
| 20:18.55 | mico | i have screwed with it for 3 hours now i cant get it work but i need it |
| 20:18.57 | nok | quiet:that's what i Though...but, can i install both of them and will I be able to unpack fluxbox directly on my installation |
| 20:19.12 | quiet | nok, apt-get install fluxbox blackbox jwm |
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| 20:19.14 | asg | mngrif: It's come along way but it is still just trying to ape Windows which doesn't suit my working style at all. |
| 20:19.19 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: hey, got etch install ;-) |
| 20:19.32 | quiet | nok, then choose as you wish |
| 20:19.32 | mngrif | mico, go to any of your local debian mirror and snag the package, and hope you can guess what it depends on and get that too |
| 20:19.35 | nok | quiet:apt-get...is it like emerge on gentoo? |
| 20:19.44 | Led_Zeppelin | nok: better :-) |
| 20:19.46 | moshii | nok: use aptitude |
| 20:19.48 | asg | abrotman: hey, my nuggest have this nasty rash ;-) |
| 20:19.53 | asg | *nuggets |
| 20:20.07 | nbreen | mico: apt-zip |
| 20:20.07 | zood__ | mico, http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 20:20.07 | mico | mngrif but dependances depend on other packages and so on so on |
| 20:20.08 | mngrif | asg, i stick to KDE for my graphical experience. there's not much about my desktop that resembles windows, aside from the taskbar is still at the bottom |
| 20:20.13 | quiet | nok, kind of |
| 20:20.15 | mngrif | mico, yep. |
| 20:20.18 | nok | quiet:how big is fluxbox...will it unpack and work without asking for 1000's of dependace |
| 20:20.28 | quiet | small they are both very small |
| 20:20.29 | mngrif | flux is very light |
| 20:20.33 | mico | mngrif well then i cant get it work |
| 20:20.49 | abrotman | asg: did you put pepper in your shorts? |
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| 20:20.55 | Led_Zeppelin | nok: apt-cache depends fluxbox |
| 20:20.57 | asg | mngrif: I prefer just a lot of rxvts on multiple workspaces with keyboard shortcuts to launch apps. 99% of the time, I don't need a mouse at all. |
| 20:21.02 | asg | abrotman: no, that's the thing. |
| 20:21.04 | jonathan` | hmm.. ouznext, on the debug the RRDTool says "GRAPH ACCESS DENIED" |
| 20:21.05 | mngrif | mico, you could always download all of them and burn 6 CDs... |
| 20:21.10 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: yay! |
| 20:21.15 | nok | can I use apt-get anywhen i want after the installation ...and where can i get a list of all the package I can download? |
| 20:21.20 | abrotman | asg: have you been hanging out with damog again? |
| 20:21.27 | mngrif | mico, or you can throw a NIC into the box and get it online, or a SLIP link... |
| 20:21.27 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: debian is so boring, stuff never breaks ;-) |
| 20:21.30 | mngrif | asg, ratpoison? |
| 20:21.33 | asg | abrotman: ah, didn't think about that. |
| 20:21.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:21.41 | zood__ | nok, apt-cache search ___ |
| 20:21.45 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: so help people here fix stuff |
| 20:21.53 | moshii | nok: don't use apt-get directly if you're going to install and remove lots of stuff, use aptitude |
| 20:21.53 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: good idea |
| 20:22.08 | asg | mngrif: I used ion2 for a long time but use a well tweaked fluxbox now since I can do terminal positioning more elegantly. |
| 20:22.25 | zood__ | moshii, just curious, why do you say use aptitude? |
| 20:22.37 | abrotman | asg: more elegantly ? .. you mean .. you just can :) |
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| 20:22.41 | nok | moshii: can i have a graphic version of aptitude |
| 20:22.58 | Led_Zeppelin | nok: trust me, use apt-get. Much easier :-) |
| 20:23.09 | nok | lol |
| 20:23.09 | moshii | zood__: it removes unneeded packages automagically .. less redundent stuff in your system ;) |
| 20:23.12 | asg | abrotman: you can do it with ion2 but the last time I had a rash on my nuggets, I'm sure it was caused by lua |
| 20:23.13 | mngrif | asg, i don't care what it is, if i can't alt-rightclick to resize a window, i'd rather use text mode |
| 20:23.23 | nok | whats the differance |
| 20:23.29 | mngrif | lol |
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| 20:23.44 | asg | mngrif: actually, alt+right button is standard in X unless overridden by something |
| 20:23.45 | zood__ | moshii, does it do something more than apt-get remove `deborphan`? |
| 20:23.51 | abrotman | asg: your cat? |
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| 20:24.00 | asg | mngrif: alt+left butt for moving windows |
| 20:24.08 | nok | then aptitude is a lot better ....even more cause I have a little hard disk |
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| 20:24.11 | mngrif | asg, doesn't work if you have JUST an xterm and no wm though |
| 20:24.20 | Led_Zeppelin | how many primary partitions can you put on a system? |
| 20:24.22 | asg | mngrif: true |
| 20:24.22 | mngrif | 4 |
| 20:24.27 | mngrif | for x86 |
| 20:24.29 | Led_Zeppelin | ok |
| 20:24.30 | Led_Zeppelin | thanks |
| 20:24.44 | nok | another question...sorry : can i install soft on my external drive...and how do i decide where im installing it? |
| 20:24.52 | Led_Zeppelin | mngrif: so, if I delete all of my primaries, will all of my logicals go too? |
| 20:24.52 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: you can split a primary into logicals and use much more if you want |
| 20:25.04 | moshii | zood__: it takes packages better. depencies are marked as "automatically" and get remove when there are no longer needed |
| 20:25.08 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:25.09 | dpkg | hola, abrotman |
| 20:25.14 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: yea, I figured. I don't want to accedently delete a primary and lose my logical :-) |
| 20:25.17 | nok | another question...sorry : can i install soft on my external drive...and how do i decide where im installing it? |
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| 20:25.25 | mico | Ok, seems i cant get GCC to compile this ADSL connecting program, how the heck im supposed to connect internet via ADSL (PPPoE)!? |
| 20:25.28 | mngrif | Led_Zeppelin, primary = logical |
| 20:25.36 | moshii | zood__: from what I remember of deborphan it doesn't track packages, more guesses what isn't being used |
| 20:25.40 | mngrif | erm |
| 20:25.42 | mico | im going to hate this goddamn linux stuff already, spent whole evening with it, more than 5 hours |
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| 20:25.50 | nok | do we have a torrent client for linux? |
| 20:25.56 | Led_Zeppelin | mico: what you trying to do? |
| 20:25.58 | asg | Led_Zeppelin: in the output of 'fdisk -l' the primary that holds the logicals is listed as 'Extended' |
| 20:26.02 | mngrif | nok, the standard bittorrent client |
| 20:26.06 | abrotman | damog: hi |
| 20:26.07 | mngrif | and a host of other ones |
| 20:26.09 | moshii | mico: get used to a lot more evenings with linux |
| 20:26.13 | nok | another question...sorry : can i install soft on my external drive...and how do i decide where im installing it? |
| 20:26.15 | abrotman | nok: many |
| 20:26.16 | Led_Zeppelin | asg: aa yes. Thankyou. You just answered my question |
| 20:26.21 | jonathan` | there's a version of bittornado for linux |
| 20:26.22 | sussudio | !pppoe |
| 20:26.22 | dpkg | well, pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 20:26.26 | nok | abrotman : thanks |
| 20:26.37 | jonathan` | that you can get through apt-get |
| 20:26.48 | abrotman | nok: apt-cache search torrent |
| 20:26.49 | sussudio | jonathan`: or rtorrent |
| 20:26.59 | zood__ | Could anyone second moshii's take on aptitude vs. apt-get? |
| 20:27.02 | mngrif | azarus :) |
| 20:27.05 | sussudio | or azureus |
| 20:27.05 | mico | Led_Zeppelin i was trying to get my ADSL dialup to work, i downloaded some Rpenguin program for it, it needed to get compiled, i cant get gcc, i cant get to internet, how i connecto using ADSL modem????? |
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| 20:27.23 | asg | sussudio: badger |
| 20:27.29 | Led_Zeppelin | mico: you need to set up PPoE |
| 20:27.32 | nok | will the install files im downloading on the installation be deleted after all |
| 20:27.45 | jonathan` | azureus is what I use on windows.. didn't know they had a linux version |
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| 20:27.46 | phz114n_ | did "apt-get dist-upgrade", now i get an error message: *** update-locale: Error: LANGUAGE ("sv_SE:sv:en_GB:en") is not compatible with LC_ALL (sv_SE) |
| 20:27.46 | nok | or i have to delete them myself |
| 20:27.47 | mico | Led_Zeppelin how do i do it |
| 20:27.48 | mngrif | mico, are you sure your ADSL modem doesn't do the PPPoE stuff on it's own? |
| 20:27.50 | moshii | zood__: aptitude in base now AFAIK, so it's not that bad ;) |
| 20:27.54 | mngrif | jonathan`, java is java |
| 20:27.56 | Led_Zeppelin | mico: http://users.pandora.be/Asterisk-PBX/PPPoE.htm |
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| 20:28.00 | asg | nok: you'll have to type 'apt-get clean' to remove them |
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| 20:28.03 | Led_Zeppelin | mico: that is your answer ;-) |
| 20:28.12 | mico | mngrif im only having base debian, i have no idea how to get it connected |
| 20:28.17 | jonathan` | mngrif, yes, that's true, but an exe wouldn't run on linux |
| 20:28.21 | nok | asg:and it will clean everything???WOW |
| 20:28.27 | phz114n_ | tried "apt-get install --fix-missing", same problem |
| 20:28.29 | jonathan` | and thats all i remember offhand about azureus other than the fact that its java lol |
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| 20:28.33 | asg | nok: well, everything downloaded via 'apt-get' |
| 20:28.34 | lain | hi all |
| 20:28.36 | abrotman | nok: apt-get clean |
| 20:28.40 | abrotman | !tell nok about refcard |
| 20:28.43 | abrotman | !tell nok about grounding |
| 20:29.04 | nok | but ....is the installation using apt-get or something else |
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| 20:29.44 | asg | nok: oh, the installer will delete what it downloads automatically |
| 20:29.49 | nse | !tell nse about refcard |
| 20:29.56 | nok | thanks |
| 20:30.00 | Led_Zeppelin | brb |
| 20:30.13 | mngrif | !tell mngrif about refcard |
| 20:30.15 | nok | thanks dpkg |
| 20:30.15 | dpkg | de rien, nok |
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| 20:30.25 | nok | francais???? |
| 20:30.34 | nok | comment tu sais que je parle francais |
| 20:30.34 | asg | !fr |
| 20:30.34 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:30.36 | jonathan` | he's multi lingual ;p |
| 20:30.36 | abrotman | dpkg speaks many languages |
| 20:30.40 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:30.40 | dpkg | hi |
| 20:30.42 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:30.44 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:30.51 | jonathan` | does he speak bad english too? |
| 20:30.55 | nok | thanks |
| 20:30.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:30.58 | asg | !confuse jonathan` |
| 20:30.58 | dpkg | Yes, them is your weasel tomorrow, jonathan`? wellies of the monarchy of belarus with extra ham |
| 20:31.06 | abrotman | HAM?! |
| 20:31.10 | moshii | lain: lain from the wired? |
| 20:31.17 | asg | BACON! |
| 20:31.18 | jonathan` | he said extra ham.. that makes enough sense to me :) |
| 20:31.27 | abrotman | asg: BACON! |
| 20:31.27 | jelly | abrotman: And wellies are ok? |
| 20:31.35 | asg | mmmm, rashers |
| 20:31.40 | abrotman | jelly: i'm not english .. we don't have wellies |
| 20:31.44 | mngrif | JAM? Oh lets be silly! |
| 20:31.50 | abrotman | jonathan`: what was that for? |
| 20:31.59 | jonathan` | i thought i clicked on dpkg |
| 20:32.03 | jonathan` | instead it pulled up your window |
| 20:32.04 | jonathan` | lol |
| 20:32.08 | abrotman | good job |
| 20:32.14 | jonathan` | stupid mirc, lol |
| 20:32.15 | nok | another question...sorry : can i install soft on my external drive...and how do i decide where im installing it? |
| 20:32.23 | jelly | abrotman: I'm not English either and I don't have a fuckin' clue about what wellies are! Small chocolate Wellingtons? |
| 20:32.32 | abrotman | dpkg: wellies |
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| 20:32.35 | abrotman | bastard |
| 20:32.45 | moshii | jelly: wellington boots |
| 20:32.48 | asg | jelly: boots used to wade in shit |
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| 20:32.58 | abrotman | dpkg: wellies is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellies |
| 20:32.58 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 20:34.29 | nok | debian-fr suck....nobody's answering...you guys are better Ill stay here... |
| 20:34.41 | nok | sorry for u |
| 20:34.42 | nok | lol |
| 20:35.00 | streuner_ | !tell nok about u |
| 20:35.13 | automac | what's the difference between specifying stable|testing|unstable or woody|sarge|etch|sid in sources.list? |
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| 20:35.20 | Eulex | !releases |
| 20:35.21 | dpkg | from memory, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 20:35.25 | Eulex | automac, ^^ |
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| 20:35.35 | automac | Eulex: thanks. |
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| 20:35.56 | jair_11 | hello guys I remove the text menu from the xchat and I can not get it back... |
| 20:35.59 | jair_11 | :( |
| 20:36.01 | jelly | what comes after etch? |
| 20:36.02 | mo1991 | what's a good program for sarge that shows the local weather and forecast? |
| 20:36.06 | dbindner | I'm trying to do some Gnome programming, but as far as I can find the Gnome, Gtk, Glib documentation is all html. Is there a package I missing with sane documentation (i.e. info or man pages)? It drives me nuts trying to search for things like gdk_threads_enter(). |
| 20:36.09 | Eulex | automac, yw :) oh, and the one that doesn't say anything about: oldstable is woody |
| 20:36.16 | nok | if 2.6 is better why arent they using automaticly??? |
| 20:36.53 | Led_Zeppelin | nok: you can use 2.6 in debian, if u like. |
| 20:37.15 | nok | i know but why people are still using 2.4 |
| 20:37.26 | jair_11 | how can I place the text menu again in the xchat?? |
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| 20:37.37 | asg | nok: because it is stable. I know people still using 2.2 and even 2.0 |
| 20:37.45 | nok | lol |
| 20:37.52 | dbindner | nok: Some don't appreciate the way Linus has turned 2.6 into a development tree for one thing. Conservative people anyway. |
| 20:37.53 | automac | ahhh. so if i specify a name it will stay with that release as it moves through the cycles of unstable>testing>stable? |
| 20:37.53 | stew | !kernel of instability |
| 20:37.54 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 20:38.05 | stew | !kernel of gratuitous change |
| 20:38.05 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 20:38.11 | nok | ho...I feel bette know that i know im using a non-stable kernell...lol |
| 20:38.19 | stew | ooops, sorry didn't realize they were the same factoid |
| 20:38.29 | streuner_ | haha |
| 20:38.47 | jair_11 | stew, how can I get the text menu back on the xchat? |
| 20:38.56 | jair_11 | any idea anyone? |
| 20:38.58 | stew | jair_11: i've never even seen xchat |
| 20:39.02 | jair_11 | haha |
| 20:39.16 | jair_11 | stew, what do you use then? |
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| 20:39.27 | pluipon | hello |
| 20:39.28 | stew | jair_11: irssi-text |
| 20:39.38 | stew | and occasionally rcirc |
| 20:39.39 | jonathan` | jair_11, i doubt this requires help from other people -- theres most likely a setting for it in the options of xchat |
| 20:39.46 | jair_11 | stew, cool |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | automac: etch will always be etch .. testing changes .. sid will always be unstable |
| 20:40.01 | jonathan` | irssi is great, by far my favorite irc client |
| 20:40.02 | abrotman | !tell automac about releases |
| 20:40.15 | jonathan` | im stuck on windows at work though :( |
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| 20:40.17 | jair_11 | jonathan`, ok I will try to check in google I just though that someone here had the same problem before. |
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| 20:40.21 | nse | jair_11: gaim is the best! |
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| 20:40.30 | zood__ | jonathan, how the heck do you scroll up in irssi? |
| 20:40.32 | stew | jonathan`: putty + screen + irssi |
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| 20:40.43 | petemc | zood__: pgup |
| 20:40.48 | jonathan` | jair_11, you shouldn't even really need to use google |
| 20:40.48 | jonathan` | jair_11, just poke around the options -- you're bound to find it |
| 20:41.06 | jair_11 | jonathan`, the options are on the text menu hahaha |
| 20:41.09 | jonathan` | stew, yeah, but I leave things downloading during the day when im at work |
| 20:41.19 | jonathan` | so it would lag me to hell and back, lol |
| 20:41.20 | jair_11 | jonathan`, so I can not get to them |
| 20:41.21 | stew | jonathan`: that's what wondershaper is for |
| 20:41.23 | nok | ok big question...will the installer install me fluxbox...and if no...should i just not install any windows manager and use apt_get after???? will it work without crashing.. |
| 20:42.02 | jonathan` | stew, wondershaper? can't say i've heard of it |
| 20:42.14 | stew | !wondershaper |
| 20:42.15 | dpkg | i heard wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 20:42.28 | jonathan` | ah.. wow :) |
| 20:42.30 | stew | jonathan`: apt-cache show wondershaper |
| 20:42.31 | nok | ok big question...will the installer install me fluxbox...and if no...should i just not install any windows manager and use apt_get after???? will it work without crashing.. |
| 20:42.58 | [lain] | nok : you install fluxbox without problems |
| 20:43.01 | zood__ | nok, apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox xdm |
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| 20:43.19 | [lain] | zood__: right ;-) |
| 20:43.49 | [lain] | xdm is not required |
| 20:44.00 | [lain] | also x-window-system and fluxbox |
| 20:44.13 | [lain] | you configure yours .xinitrc |
| 20:44.25 | nok | but ....if im installing the X on the installer everething suposed to work right??? |
| 20:44.27 | [lain] | and default x-windows-manager |
| 20:44.28 | zood__ | lain, ah okay |
| 20:44.29 | [lain] | and sto ;-) |
| 20:45.12 | nok | is it easy to have the kde support with fluxbox |
| 20:45.26 | [lain] | ? |
| 20:45.31 | jonathan` | ouznext, cacti is giving me an error about SNMP not in use |
| 20:45.41 | [lain] | fluxbox is a small x window |
| 20:45.45 | zood__ | petemc, here I am typing "/pgup" and going "what the heck, nothing's happening!?". Figured it out now though ;) |
| 20:45.53 | petemc | nok: when you install a kde app it will bring in the libraries it needs |
| 20:46.14 | zood__ | lain, when is a display manager needed? |
| 20:46.15 | nok | kool |
| 20:46.28 | [lain] | at boot zood |
| 20:46.35 | nok | can i used 4 different desktop with fluxbox |
| 20:46.35 | [lain] | i'm sorry |
| 20:46.41 | [lain] | before your login |
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| 20:46.50 | [lain] | a login manager |
| 20:46.50 | zood__ | nok, yes |
| 20:47.02 | Lin | which package I need to encode mp3 audio files? |
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| 20:47.09 | petemc | Lin: lame |
| 20:47.20 | stew | Lin: you need lame, which isn't in debian for patent reasons, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:47.24 | Le_Vert-Notebook | see christian marillat repository |
| 20:47.24 | Lin | petemc: using gstreamer / sound encoder. |
| 20:47.27 | [lain] | petemc: the famous lame :-P |
| 20:47.43 | Lin | stew: marillat repositories are offline isn't it? |
| 20:47.48 | petemc | [lain]: its famous in mp3 encoding circles, if thats what you mean.. |
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| 20:48.04 | nok | wooooo. my installation is done and I never choose from any package is it normal? |
| 20:48.28 | zood__ | "Lame is not an MP3 encoder!" ;) |
| 20:48.35 | stew | Lin: no, it doens't appear to be: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 20:48.37 | petemc | nok: the installer should ask if you want to use tasksel or dselect |
| 20:48.49 | petemc | nok: have your ead the install guide? |
| 20:48.55 | Lin | stew: ok. I will give a try! thank you all |
| 20:48.57 | [lain] | petemc: famous as know |
| 20:49.17 | nok | no asking....they didn't ask me |
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| 20:50.05 | nok | maibe it will after the reboot |
| 20:50.25 | nok | here it is |
| 20:50.31 | petemc | nok: ah, yes - it will run base-config after the reboot and ask |
| 20:50.40 | nok | lol |
| 20:50.45 | nok | i was on a panic.....:) |
| 20:50.53 | [lain] | nok : ehehe |
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| 20:51.49 | phz114n_ | when i did "apt-get dist-upgrade", i got an error message that said "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)". when i do "apt-get -f install" i get "*** update-locale: Error: LANGUAGE ("sv_SE:sv:en_GB:en") is not compatible with LC_ALL (sv_SE)". i'm on unstable, any suggestions? |
| 20:52.29 | zood__ | eeewww |
| 20:52.31 | Eulex | phz114n_, do LANG=C apt-get install locales |
| 20:52.31 | petemc | phz114n_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 20:53.44 | phz114n_ | dpkg-reconfigure locales: "locales is broken or not installed" (freely translated from swedish) |
| 20:53.54 | phz114n_ | LANG=C apt-get install locales: same error message as before |
| 20:54.02 | automac | so if i specify etch rather than testing, i'll stay with the etch release even when it is frozen and considered the stable release, but if i specify testing, i'll stay in the realm of testing packages even as etch is moved to stable and some new name is given to the testing branch? but sid is always unstable, so there's no difference between specifying sid or unstable? |
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| 20:54.31 | Eulex | automac, correct |
| 20:54.35 | yggdrasil | but you knew that the knew that you knew ? |
| 20:54.47 | nok | how can i know how much more disk space I have? |
| 20:54.50 | nok | in text mode |
| 20:54.54 | yggdrasil | df |
| 20:54.55 | Eulex | nok, df -h |
| 20:54.59 | nok | thanks |
| 20:55.01 | Kyo | somebody can tell me how to burn the first cd to boot? |
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| 20:55.57 | nok | how can I change the prompt on thext mode... |
| 20:56.13 | Kyo | I downloaded to the main page and burn normal but it doesn't boot |
| 20:56.45 | quiet | Kyo, did you just burn the iso file to a cd.. or did you burn it as an image? |
| 20:56.45 | [lain] | -h humar readable :-) |
| 20:57.00 | nok | I mean what is before the command i type |
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| 20:57.09 | cspenc | can someone tell me where to rtfm on configuring startup processes? |
| 20:57.35 | Eulex | cspenc, /etc/init.d/ |
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| 20:57.46 | Eulex | cspenc, /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 20:57.55 | cspenc | Eulex: is there a command to show which are configured to startup and add or remove them? |
| 20:58.03 | [lain] | nok: what before? |
| 20:58.10 | `wee` | bye |
| 20:58.13 | mo1991 | where is the gweather package for gnome? Can't find it in stable? |
| 20:58.16 | Kyo | quiet, but what image ? |
| 20:58.18 | Eulex | cspenc, yes, but I don't remember it |
| 20:58.18 | nok | how can I change the prompt on text mode... I mean what is writen before the commands im typing |
| 20:58.22 | mo1991 | although I'm using amd64 |
| 20:58.27 | mo1991 | version of debian |
| 20:58.41 | quiet | Kyo, what image did you download? |
| 20:58.43 | azeem | mo1991: maybe you mean the one in gnome-applets? |
| 20:59.09 | nok | what is the package bc? |
| 20:59.14 | quiet | Kyo, debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso is whatyou want |
| 20:59.16 | Kyo | quiet, Debian Sarge 3.1 |
| 20:59.26 | Kyo | yes |
| 20:59.35 | quiet | what did you use to burn? |
| 20:59.38 | mo1991 | azeem - gnome-applets contains gweather huh, I'll installl that |
| 20:59.42 | Eulex | cspenc, ah, update-rc.d |
| 20:59.51 | Kyo | Nero |
| 20:59.51 | azeem | mo1991: well, not sure what gweather is |
| 20:59.56 | azeem | it contains the GNOME weather applet |
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| 21:00.09 | mo1991 | azeem, I have gnome-ajpplets installed |
| 21:00.22 | mo1991 | how do I get the GNOME weather applet displayed? |
| 21:00.27 | mo1991 | havne't used applets before |
| 21:00.37 | quiet | Kyo, and you chose "Burn image file.." ?? |
| 21:00.42 | Eulex | cspenc, there should be one that displays a matrix of what will be started in what runlevel, but I don't remember it |
| 21:00.44 | quiet | or did you just burn a data cd? |
| 21:01.09 | cspenc | Eulex: yeah that's the one i want to see but update-rc.d may put me on the right track. thanks |
| 21:01.30 | mo1991 | azeem - never mind |
| 21:01.41 | mo1991 | azeem, applets to the panel at bottom of screen, I seenow |
| 21:02.43 | Eulex | Kyo, you could just open the cd in some file manager and see if you've burned the .iso as a file or as an image |
| 21:02.52 | Kyo | quiet, no I have to options to burn in Spanish "Grabar Datos o Grabar datos de arranque " |
| 21:03.22 | Kyo | yes only I can open it |
| 21:03.33 | Kyo | sorry |
| 21:04.07 | Kyo | Data Cd or Data boot CD |
| 21:04.11 | TGoC | !spanish |
| 21:04.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:04.14 | quiet | Kyo, neither.. |
| 21:04.25 | quiet | Kyo, cose that part. |
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| 21:04.41 | quiet | from the menu bar at the top.. under the equivalent of... options, i think it is? |
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| 21:05.44 | Kyo | sorry What? I don't know English very well |
| 21:06.09 | quiet | Kyo, perhaps try #debian-es?? they might be able to help better. |
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| 21:06.33 | cspenc | Eulex: you can install rcconf with aptitude to get a nice ncurses list of processes |
| 21:06.39 | Kyo | I read it but I did all |
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| 21:06.48 | Eulex | cspenc, ah, that's it |
| 21:06.49 | eleftherios | how can I get a list of all installed debs? |
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| 21:06.54 | Eulex | !installed |
| 21:06.54 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 21:06.58 | SkrotFFS | Hi. make-kpkg --initrd creates a initrd-image for the kernel, right? If so, where does it put it when it's done? |
| 21:07.32 | Eulex | SkrotFFS, inside the kernel package that was created? |
| 21:07.43 | eleftherios | thank you Eulex |
| 21:07.44 | Kyo | I booted from hard disck and I configured the language and keyboard |
| 21:07.54 | Eulex | eleftherios, yw :) |
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| 21:08.03 | SkrotFFS | uhm, i'm running just "make-kpkg --initrd" inside the sourcedir of the current kernel. Does that make a new kernel-image package? |
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| 21:08.05 | chrisf | anyone who could help me out with a problem.. my debian is probably blocking somehow my httpd service so noone from outside my ISP network can access the site =S |
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| 21:08.38 | Kyo | and then a message Say this is not a boot cd when extract files |
| 21:08.46 | Eulex | SkrotFFS, I might be wrong, never messed that much with initrds. I prefer to just compile the drivers I need statically. |
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| 21:09.23 | Kyo | quiet,I booted from hard disck and I configured the language and keyboard |
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| 21:09.39 | Kyo | quiet,and then a message Say this is not a boot cd when extract files |
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| 21:10.03 | cspenc | if i change my network setup in /etc/network/interfaces how do I get the network to reflect it without rebooting |
| 21:10.28 | SkrotFFS | Eulex: Okay |
| 21:10.30 | pipeline | /etc/init.d/networking :P |
| 21:10.32 | toffie | cspenc /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:10.45 | cspenc | thanks |
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| 21:11.11 | toffie | np |
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| 21:13.00 | Kyo | quiet, answer me, please |
| 21:13.35 | pawdro | i've installed firefox for .deb (sid) and after opening firefox the icon is bouncing, is it normal? |
| 21:13.41 | azeem | Kyo: try to ask the whole channel, not individuals who might be offline in the meantime |
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| 21:14.10 | pawdro | icon is bouncing 10 s more after openned application |
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| 21:14.18 | nok | can we use aptitude on a graphic environment |
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| 21:14.37 | azeem | nok: sure |
| 21:14.45 | Kyo | azeem, ok |
| 21:14.47 | azeem | nok: just run it in a terminal like xterm |
| 21:14.48 | csaba198 | Hi! I do have a working scanner under debian. It works if i' m root, but it tells me that no SANE devices found when i' m just a user. I know there should be problem with permissions, but what should i check? /dev/scanner* are crw-rw-rw- ... . |
| 21:15.18 | nok | thx |
| 21:15.49 | quiet | nok, look for 'synaptics' it's a GUI frontend |
| 21:15.57 | quiet | or.. synaptic ? |
| 21:16.04 | quiet | synaptics is the touchpad driver methinks. |
| 21:16.07 | chealer | synaptic |
| 21:16.11 | nbreen | csaba198: Add yourself to the 'scanner' group: "adduser csaba198 scanner" (or whatever your username is) as root, then log out & back in. |
| 21:16.30 | toffie | anyone who could help me out with a problem.. my debian is probably blocking somehow my httpd service so noone from outside my ISP network can access the site =S |
| 21:16.42 | csaba198 | nbreen: that' s what i' ve forgot. I' m too tired. Thanks anyway. |
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| 21:16.50 | nbreen | csaba198: unless you're already in the group (check with "id"), in which case it's something else exciting and new! |
| 21:16.53 | Kyo | I need to know how to burn the first cd to boot? Somebody can tell me how, please |
| 21:17.08 | saloxin | toffie: probably not debian, probably your modem/firewall thingie |
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| 21:17.31 | saloxin | toffie: or maybe your ISP even blocks port 80? |
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| 21:17.48 | phz114n_ | recap on the "locales" issue: i downloaded the previos version 2.3.6-3 instead of 2.3.6-5, and it went without a hitch. bug? |
| 21:17.51 | toffie | I'm using port 96 |
| 21:17.55 | csaba198 | nbreen: I just still don' t understand why i have to be there in that group, if everybody has rw permission(s) to the scanner device?. |
| 21:17.59 | toffie | which has been working for over 3 years |
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| 21:18.20 | petemc | phz114n_: sounds like it, check the bts - if nothing there, report it |
| 21:18.20 | toffie | until I installed debian |
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| 21:18.25 | saloxin | toffie: tcptraceroute from box outside your isp? |
| 21:18.29 | toffie | and the computer is connected directly to the modem which has no firewall or router settings |
| 21:18.30 | kingspawn | hm, i've changed my hostname, and now sshd refuses to restart, complaining it can't get the hostname - anyone know what to do? |
| 21:18.35 | phz114n_ | ok, haven't reported bugs before, will be exciting :-) |
| 21:18.43 | azeem | toffie: port 96? |
| 21:18.46 | toffie | saloxin what do you mean? |
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| 21:18.57 | toffie | azeem yes, running webservice on port 96 |
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| 21:19.09 | Howdy125 | source.list for all the illegal stuff ? |
| 21:19.14 | m1co | hey there |
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| 21:19.27 | azeem | toffie: and you tell your customers to point their web browsers to that port? |
| 21:19.28 | saloxin | toffie: tcptraceroute is a nifty program that traces tcp connections over any port, by default port 80. try it from somewhere in the world? |
| 21:19.32 | m1co | anyone knows why my xfree86 wont detect my mouse? |
| 21:19.40 | m1co | tells that modprobe psmice not found |
| 21:19.56 | toffie | azeem.. no customers... I'm running a private server and it's my friends who cant access it |
| 21:19.56 | nbreen | csaba198: hm. Maybe it's using a different device file, perhaps something in /dev/usb, that's only got 0660 permissions? (This is just guesswork.) |
| 21:20.07 | Kyo | somebody installed Debian Sarge 3.1. And can tell me how to? |
| 21:20.22 | m1co | was fatal error: failed to initalize core devices |
| 21:20.23 | toffie | saloxin... but how could I test it? I only have access to one linux computer and that is my own =/ |
| 21:20.26 | m1co | whats it |
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| 21:20.47 | m1co | !xauthorit |
| 21:20.48 | csaba198 | nbreen: well, it uses /dev/usb/scanner0 (above i wrote it not correctly), but how can i check which device scanimage uses? |
| 21:20.48 | azeem | toffie: can you access it locally? |
| 21:20.48 | m1co | !xauthority |
| 21:20.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xauthority is use: xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority |
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| 21:21.23 | toffie | yes |
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| 21:21.37 | toffie | from another external IP I can access it, as long as I'm inside my ISP net |
| 21:21.47 | m1co | how to change .Xauthority to give user rights to acces xdm? |
| 21:21.54 | azeem | toffie: then it doesn't sound like a Debian problem |
| 21:22.44 | nbreen | csaba198: scanimage -L |
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| 21:22.52 | m1co | cmon, someone must know how can i get xserver running:(? |
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| 21:23.09 | SonnyBurnett | hi Folks!!! I just found my old 486 DX2,.,, and I want to play with it |
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| 21:23.23 | m1co | !xauthority |
| 21:23.23 | dpkg | from memory, xauthority is use: xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 21:23.25 | Eulex | SonnyBurnett, how much ram? |
| 21:23.27 | ivan_w | Ok.. Question : I just apt-got upgrade .. manpages-dev and/or modutils is broken (they both attempt to own the same file).. This is a filed bug.. ok.. *now* this also shows something else : The upgrade ALSO had a kernel update.. The kernel was unpacked and replaced but since there was a problem installing another update, it *never* got to do a new initrd which lead me to an unbootable system ../.. |
| 21:23.41 | SonnyBurnett | Eulex, I think 4mb |
| 21:23.44 | csaba198 | nbreen: I meant which device from /dev/ . :- ). |
| 21:23.48 | ivan_w | Who is to blame ? apt ? kernel ? dpkg ? should I report to any of these ? |
| 21:23.58 | m1co | i cant get my xserver running, heeeeelp! |
| 21:24.10 | Eulex | SonnyBurnett, oh, I don't even think that woodt installed with 4mb ram |
| 21:24.14 | Eulex | *woody |
| 21:24.36 | SonnyBurnett | What version of Debian can I install on a 486 DX2 66Mhz, 4MB of RAM and 2 hdd 128Mb and 340Mb? |
| 21:24.39 | toffie | well, I can try to use a even higher port.. I know that the 1000 first is sometimes blocked by internal puter? |
| 21:24.52 | nbreen | csaba198: doesn't it return device files as part of that output? "scanner number 0 device something:/dev/scanner is...." |
| 21:25.01 | bbrazil | SonnyBurnett: potato, woody if you're lucky |
| 21:25.07 | jair_11 | guys I am getting a text message from "debconf" front end on the "apt-setup" command when I was trying to change the source.lst from my debian sarge stable 3.1 |
| 21:25.13 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: You can't. |
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| 21:25.20 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: You need more RAM. |
| 21:25.29 | horza | SonnyBurnett: try gentoo, that might work |
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| 21:25.36 | horza | no X server for you tho |
| 21:25.38 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: If you want to pay shipping and you can tell me what kind it uses, I'd send you som. |
| 21:25.46 | pipeline | horza: Heh. No. No it won't. |
| 21:26.02 | horza | hmm.. |
| 21:26.03 | pipeline | horza: I don't think regular vanilla kernel.org linux will boot at all in 4M. |
| 21:26.09 | horza | ya, you're prolly right |
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| 21:26.11 | Eulex | SonnyBurnett, fyi, woody needs 12mb ram |
| 21:26.24 | csaba198 | nbreen: no, it doesn' t say anything like that. |
| 21:26.25 | SonnyBurnett | pipeline, really? what do you have? SIMM or DIMM ? |
| 21:26.33 | horza | you'd need to stick to <2.2 |
| 21:26.34 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: I have a bucket of SIMMs somewhere. |
| 21:26.42 | m1co | how can i get Xauthority permissions to user!?????????+ |
| 21:26.54 | pipeline | horza: No UNIX, anywhere, will run comfortably in 4M of RAM. |
| 21:26.59 | SonnyBurnett | pipeline, how much RAM each? |
| 21:27.06 | horza | really? |
| 21:27.09 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: Beats me. Like I said, it's a bucket. |
| 21:27.09 | horza | hmm... |
| 21:27.12 | ivan_w | pipeline : embedded systems do that all the time ! |
| 21:27.12 | nbreen | csaba198: Rats, I thought it did. :/ Unfortunately my scanner died long ago so I don't have a good test setup.... |
| 21:27.16 | horza | well, not like I'd ever try to run it |
| 21:27.22 | pipeline | ivan_w: And, surprisingly, they don't use UNIX. |
| 21:27.31 | ivan_w | No.. they use linux.. |
| 21:27.44 | pipeline | ivan_w: They use Linux without a miniature libc, which hardly counts ;P |
| 21:27.48 | cureless | pipeline: depends on your definition of Unix |
| 21:27.53 | ivan_w | True |
| 21:27.56 | pipeline | cureless: Open Group SUS v3 :P |
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| 21:28.12 | SonnyBurnett | What about the hard drive? how much space do they need? the distros for the 486? |
| 21:28.23 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: You need about 200M to have a useful system. |
| 21:28.25 | gpm | hi everyone. i'm trying to set up pyblosxom. install went fine, but i'm trying to use http://server/blog instead of http://server/cgi-bin/pyblosxom.cgi...i followed the directions in README.Debian, which basically said to copy pyblosxom.cgi to /var/www, rename it to blog, and make a .htaccess file telling apache that blog is really a CGI script, but it doesn't seem to work. do i need to do something to enable htaccess on apache, am i missing s |
| 21:28.26 | gpm | ome file or what? |
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| 21:28.38 | nbreen | csaba198: Does it give *any* output? Could you paste it in #flood? |
| 21:28.41 | Eulex | SonnyBurnett, potato also needs 12mb ram |
| 21:29.07 | cureless | the original Unix ran on 768K of ram. |
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| 21:29.35 | pipeline | cureless: Ok, well, if you want to run v6 UNIX on your 80286, you're free to do that. Have fun building any software written post-1980. |
| 21:30.18 | cureless | pipeline: I'm just saying that just "Unix" is not completely correct |
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| 21:30.24 | ivan_w | Ok.. no one with my 'apt-get upgrade' makes system unbootable because of non-kernel related bug ? |
| 21:30.47 | pipeline | cureless: UNIX is a trademark. |
| 21:30.53 | pipeline | cureless: It has a very specific definition. |
| 21:31.19 | nok | when im trying.... apt-get x-windows-system fluxbox ...unavailable...what do i have to do to get my graphic interface |
| 21:31.22 | cureless | pipeline: how does that relate to your question? Is the original Unix not Unix? |
| 21:31.26 | Evuz | Does anyone know why I can't read/write or execute in a subdirectory even though I've set the group permission chmod -R g+xrw /path/to/dir? groups user1 comfirms that user1 does indeed belong to group1 group1 of /path/tp/dir and subdirectories. |
| 21:31.30 | pipeline | cureless: Not any more. |
| 21:31.50 | pipeline | cureless: If you sat down at a V6 or Research V32 prompt, you would be clueless. |
| 21:31.50 | nbreen | nok: x-window-system, not -windows-. |
| 21:31.54 | abrotman | Evuz: have you added yourself to the group during this session? |
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| 21:32.18 | nok | nbreen: sorry i dont understand.... |
| 21:32.24 | cureless | pipeline: that doesn't mean much (if true) |
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| 21:32.38 | nbreen | nok: The package name isn't x-windows-system, it's just x-window-syste,. |
| 21:32.40 | nok | ok ok i know |
| 21:32.43 | nbreen | *system |
| 21:32.49 | Evuz | abrotman, Yes but I've tried it from a newly loaded terminal, same result. |
| 21:32.50 | nok | ok ok but its not working |
| 21:32.58 | pipeline | cureless: there are PDP-11 emulators quite capable of running v6 UNIX, the earliest stil lin existence. See for yourself. |
| 21:32.58 | Stevie-O | well hrm |
| 21:33.02 | nok | thats what i did |
| 21:33.23 | ivan_w | simh folks are going to be happy with the advert ! |
| 21:33.29 | cureless | pipeline: what's your point? Doesn't that proove that it can run on less than 4M? |
| 21:33.30 | nok | thats what i did???? |
| 21:33.42 | csaba198 | nbreen: sorry, i cannot, i do have no mouse here :- (. Na ok, that' s no problem, for now it' s enough if i can use it as root, for next time it' ll be good. |
| 21:33.47 | nok | nbreen: not working...do you know why |
| 21:33.48 | pipeline | cureless: It's no longer available from any vendor. |
| 21:33.52 | pipeline | cureless: No software runs on it. |
| 21:34.03 | pipeline | cureless: PDP-11s are still in use, and still have vendors -- but they don't run an obsolete system from the 70s :P |
| 21:34.08 | nbreen | nok: is this a new install? Do you have /etc/apt/sources.list set up? |
| 21:34.15 | pawdro | I have coppied flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so to plugins directory of firefox, but still none flash displayed, whats wrong? |
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| 21:35.05 | nok | nbreen: no im on aptitude right now....but i wasent sure how to do it on it so i was trying the text thing....what is that file.,...how do i set it up? |
| 21:35.14 | nbreen | nok: run "apt-setup" |
| 21:35.17 | cureless | pipeline: I don't know what you're defending. I still think "Unix" can run on less than 4M. If you mean a specific "Unix" (or unix-like) OS, then of course they have different requirements. |
| 21:35.26 | Stevie-O | what's "D<L+" mean in ps output? |
| 21:35.33 | nok | ths |
| 21:35.58 | pipeline | cureless: No supported UNIX system, anywhere, will boot in 4M. |
| 21:36.05 | buu | Argh, where is the 'aclocal' package? |
| 21:36.17 | pipeline | cureless: You cannot purchase a certified UNIX or any functional equivalent thereof that will boot in 4M. |
| 21:36.19 | cureless | pipeline: that might be true, key word being supported. |
| 21:36.31 | m1co | is there xorg available for sarge? |
| 21:36.38 | Eulex | !backports |
| 21:36.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:36.47 | Eulex | m1co, ^^ |
| 21:36.47 | m1co | !xorg |
| 21:36.47 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 21:36.54 | m1co | !get xorg |
| 21:36.54 | Eulex | !xorg sarge |
| 21:36.54 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 21:36.54 | dpkg | xorg sarge is probably now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 21:37.04 | Eulex | m1co, but do you really need it? |
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| 21:37.16 | thingfish | last time I checked, backport.org's xorg wants to remove gnome. |
| 21:37.25 | m1co | Eulex: my xfree doesnt work, it wont detect my mouse |
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| 21:37.33 | neuro_damage | how are .deb packages, packed exactly? |
| 21:37.46 | Eulex | m1co, and why would it work with xorg? |
| 21:37.50 | saloxin | m1co: modprobe psmouse instead of mice? |
| 21:37.53 | neuro_damage | I want to unpack a fglrx-src*.deb so that I can work on the source code? |
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| 21:38.03 | Eulex | neuro_damage, they are ar archives. ar x pkgname. |
| 21:38.20 | m1co | saloxin: cant locate module psmouse |
| 21:38.22 | neuro_damage | Eulex: ty |
| 21:38.23 | loggygreg | buu: what m4 file do you need ? |
| 21:38.26 | Eulex | neuro_damage, then they contain a few files, like data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz (I think) |
| 21:38.51 | saloxin | m1co: what kernel (uname -r) |
| 21:38.55 | Eulex | neuro_damage, quite self-explanatory if you take a look at the files and what they contain |
| 21:39.00 | nbreen | neuro_damage: If you're building ATI drivers, install the fglrx-src-... package, and it'll drop the fglrx source tarball in /usr/src. |
| 21:39.17 | m1co | saloxin: 2.4.247 |
| 21:39.25 | m1co | saloxin: 2.4.27 rather |
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| 21:39.39 | SonnyBurnett | pipeline, Eulex : I realized that I have 12M of RAM.... does any debian can run with it? |
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| 21:39.46 | saloxin | waht kind of mouse (ps/2, serial, other) |
| 21:40.07 | m1co | saloxin: dont know exactly, with middle roller button on the middle but not optical |
| 21:40.07 | shadowarts | do i have recompile exim4 for pam suport? |
| 21:40.20 | Eulex | SonnyBurnett, both potato and woody do, according to their install manuals |
| 21:40.20 | pawdro | where i can find shockwave plugin for firefox? |
| 21:40.29 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: Barely. |
| 21:40.30 | Zugschlus | shadowarts: read the docs please |
| 21:40.34 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: You want more :\ |
| 21:40.36 | saloxin | m1co: dmesg | less <- no mouse mentioned? |
| 21:40.44 | pipeline | SonnyBurnett: Your best bet is to install woody and upgrade to sarge. Because woody sucks :\ |
| 21:40.54 | Zugschlus | shadowarts: README.Debian.gz has information about that |
| 21:41.31 | cureless | SonnyBurnett: You can run many things on 12M of RAM, the question is what are you trying to run? Do you want a full system with X? |
| 21:41.42 | m1co | saloxin: i cant see any mouse |
| 21:42.04 | TGoC | pipeline and sarge doesn't? :/ |
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| 21:42.11 | d4t2ilL4 | what is the quickest way to kill all processes created by a particular user ? |
| 21:42.11 | m1co | saloxin: what could be the problem |
| 21:42.17 | saloxin | m1co: follow the cable from the mouse - does it end up in a round plug, oval plug or one with screws? |
| 21:42.34 | cureless | oval plug? |
| 21:42.35 | Gunther | #computers |
| 21:42.43 | pipeline | TGoC: No. |
| 21:42.43 | shadowarts | Zugschlus, yeah it says i need exim4-daemon-heavy, installed that |
| 21:42.48 | saloxin | cureless: heh usb description |
| 21:42.53 | nbreen | d4t2ilL4: killall -u username |
| 21:43.02 | Zugschlus | shadowarts: it also says to use saslauthd |
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| 21:43.05 | saloxin | d4t2ilL4: slay - but you have to install it |
| 21:43.05 | m1co | saloxin its round and green |
| 21:43.11 | d4t2ilL4 | nbreen, ahhhh |
| 21:43.12 | saloxin | m1co: ps/2 |
| 21:43.18 | TGoC | pipeline i think that can be debated about, wich this chan isn't the right place for |
| 21:43.24 | d4t2ilL4 | but i didnt see the -u option in killall, i must have overread it |
| 21:43.38 | SonnyBurnett | cureless, nope.... With 128M+340M I dont think that I can install the X... maybe a firewall , a web server |
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| 21:43.54 | saloxin | m1co: ps/2 should work without kernel fiddling on 2.4 series. probablyis your x11 config then |
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| 21:44.14 | m1co | saloxin: aye i try to reinstall xserver then? |
| 21:44.19 | saloxin | nah |
| 21:44.32 | saloxin | nano /etx/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:44.35 | m1co | saloxin: from google i found some stuff that other ppl have gotten the same problem |
| 21:44.49 | saloxin | heh, sure poeple have been having mice problems since day 1 |
| 21:44.57 | saloxin | or rather X11 problems |
| 21:45.25 | cureless | SonnyBurnett: how confortable are you with Linux? |
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| 21:45.45 | d4t2ilL4 | saloxin, thanks for the advise, slay is good... +++ |
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| 21:46.09 | saloxin | m1co: in the config file you should find a section called InputDevice. check that "Device" entry points at something existing |
| 21:46.15 | saloxin | d4t2ilL4: slay rocks |
| 21:46.57 | d4t2ilL4 | yeah, when you use screen and time out, the processes are still running |
| 21:47.05 | Eulex | ouw, gtk 2.8.16 coming into testing. hope the upgrade will go well. |
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| 21:48.40 | SonnyBurnett | cureless, very confortable ... why? |
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| 21:49.16 | cureless | SonnyBurnett: cause you can get a good low-memory system if you compile stuff yourself optimizing for that |
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| 21:49.35 | dbrock | why don't Debian maintainers have a problem with distributing the (wholly invariant) GPL, considering they can't bring themselves to distribute the Emacs manual due to an invariant section? |
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| 21:50.01 | bedboi | hi there... is there any fix for libstdc++6 ? |
| 21:50.31 | cureless | SonnyBurnett: even though old, you can get an idea from: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lwl1/ |
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| 21:50.49 | SonnyBurnett | cureless, ohhh you are right man.... so I can make my own "fast and light" kernel ? |
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| 21:51.06 | saloxin | SonnyBurnett: *cough* classic lowmem is old slackware |
| 21:51.26 | cureless | SonnyBurnett: obviously. |
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| 21:52.09 | cureless | SonnyBurnett: however, just the kernel might not be enough depending on what you want to run and how much memory you have. At 12M you're relatively ok (for running small stuff) |
| 21:52.14 | SonnyBurnett | cureless, I will use LVM to collect all my poor free space, maybe I can use the X.... 128M+340M+340M=808M |
| 21:52.38 | Honeyman | Hello everyone. Someone knows any tool which would allow to run my program after another one, already executed, is completed? Something like "runafter <procid> program arg1 arg2 ..." |
| 21:52.40 | SonnyBurnett | cureless, I mean I would like to use LVM |
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| 21:52.55 | m1co | how to fix broken packages, or those what are lacking lib files? |
| 21:52.57 | m1co | #3 |
| 21:53.02 | saloxin | Honeyman: prog1; prog2; prog3 |
| 21:53.23 | m1co | whats the syntax |
| 21:53.27 | saloxin | m1co: search for lacking libs on packages.debian.org |
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| 21:53.40 | m1co | saloxin: aight |
| 21:53.49 | Honeyman | saloxin: heh, I'm looking for a bit more deep. Imagine that prog1 is already executed right now, and I want to stack prog2 and prog3 after it... |
| 21:53.50 | |dennis| | Question: Does nfs-utils exist for debian...or is it obsolete ...i probably could compile it...but is there any specific reason for it not being there??? |
| 21:54.07 | lazzarello | I realize it's only been one day, but has anyone with an Apple computer with the intel chip installed Debian i386 on it? |
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| 21:54.25 | yacoob | Greetings. |
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| 21:54.33 | lazzarello | or better said, can I install Debian i386 on an intel Macintosh? |
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| 21:54.36 | vjacob | is there any reason I should pay 1/5 more to get Crucial ram for my ibook instead of Kingston |
| 21:54.41 | yacoob | Is there a way I can bind a function to a mouse button, in xorg.conf? |
| 21:54.50 | azeem | lazzarello: not yet, really |
| 21:54.55 | yacoob | To be precise, I want to have "paste" on both 1+2 and 9 button |
| 21:54.59 | Honeyman | saloxin: ... like if I forgot to write "; prog2; prog3" and executed prog1 without that, but now want to fix it without killing prog1? |
| 21:55.01 | saloxin | Honeyman: something like: while `ps -ef | grep prog | grep -v grep`; do sleep 2; done; prog2 |
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| 21:56.06 | Honeyman | saloxin: yeah, you've got the idea,... but I am actually looking for something even more hacky. Probably involving hacking into /proc, or whatever else... |
| 21:56.08 | cureless | SonnyBurnett: I don't know what you can get in there. I've worked with "low mem" systems like the low end ipaqs and then some embedded systems, but the applications you use there are relatively specific. |
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| 21:56.43 | cureless | vjacob: warranty? |
| 21:56.53 | vjacob | cureless: both lifetime |
| 21:57.13 | yacoob | ...anyone? |
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| 21:57.20 | cureless | vjacob: then dunno. I normally get Mushkin for my desktop. |
| 21:57.29 | SonnyBurnett | cureless, May I use it as a web server? firewall? give me another idea |
| 21:57.38 | saloxin | Honeyman: all process are listed in proc by pid, might use that |
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| 21:58.10 | cureless | SonnyBurnett: it'll work just fine as a firewall. Don't know about webserver, it might depend on the webserver you want to use (version, modules) and what you want to serve. |
| 21:58.29 | automac | wow, dist-upgrade is a rather lengthy process. |
| 21:58.35 | gpm | i think apache2 is ignoring htaccess files (default install on sid). i just edited .htaccess in /var/www and added "Options ExecCGI" yet when i browse to /var/www/test.cgi, error.log says "Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /var/www/test.cgi" |
| 21:58.37 | Honeyman | saloxin: exactly... but unfortunately most of files are non-writable even though have "w" in their attrs... |
| 21:58.38 | SonnyBurnett | cureless, thanks man |
| 21:58.41 | RichiH | automac: depends on when you last did it |
| 21:58.51 | gpm | anyone else have this problem? |
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| 21:59.02 | automac | RichiH: hmm...never :) |
| 21:59.15 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, please can you tell me if there is some command to update the gnome panel bar? When I boot something is wrong,,, some components are dead.. |
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| 21:59.46 | saloxin | gpm: usually ExecCGI has something like AllowOverride None |
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| 22:00.13 | saloxin | so in httpd.conf you need AllowOverride ExecCGI |
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| 22:00.54 | saloxin | vi |
| 22:01.00 | saloxin | aj |
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| 22:02.07 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 22:03.04 | UncleSkunk | ok, when I start my box up and say forget to plug in my network cable.. and then I plug it in after boot up. is there a command that will go back and check for it? |
| 22:03.23 | saloxin | UncleSkunk: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 22:03.36 | UncleSkunk | saloxin: thanks mate |
| 22:03.58 | saloxin | SonnyBurnett: i'd sure liek a command to reset gnome panels.. usually i have done rm -rf .gnome with mixed success |
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| 22:05.25 | SlayerXP | any cyrus users in? |
| 22:06.25 | ansong | http://pastebin.com/645030 anyone know what this is? |
| 22:06.29 | obscuresoul | i've installed the kernel from the repositories...and now i saw that this directory doesn't exist /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build...what can i do? |
| 22:06.34 | saloxin | SlayerXP: whats the issue? |
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| 22:06.53 | SlayerXP | saloxin: I'm missing something obvious re: delivery to a shared folder. |
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| 22:07.26 | SlayerXP | saloxin: the folder is there, postuser is set to "bb", yet delivery to "bb+<foldername>@domain" bounces |
| 22:07.50 | saloxin | uhm, no clue |
| 22:08.00 | SlayerXP | no, me either. |
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| 22:09.54 | nok | OK Ok I have the worse question ever... |
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| 22:11.18 | nok | i was on aptitude, and then i started downloading X ..then I opened and other aptitude on another console... and while I was downloading on the fisrt one, i cleared the file on the cache...do you think I lost all data I was downloading a the same time?? |
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| 22:13.22 | ansong | has anyone seen a "bizarre error" when running aptitude update? |
| 22:15.03 | abrotman | how bizarre how bizarre |
| 22:15.09 | Ronin | define bizarre |
| 22:15.11 | nok | i was on aptitude, and then i started downloading X ..then I opened and other aptitude on another console... and while I was downloading on the fisrt one, i cleared the file on the cache...do you think I lost all data I was downloading a the same time?? |
| 22:15.14 | De_Mon | ansong all the time, it works! |
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| 22:15.54 | De_Mon | the fisrt instance should have had a lock... shouldn't have? |
| 22:16.16 | nok | what do u mean |
| 22:16.56 | JasonBoxatWork | Does anyone know why OldStable's apt no longer seems to grok recently Sources files? E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources (1) |
| 22:17.15 | ansong | De_Mon, abrotman, Ronin, the error occurred once: http://pastebin.com/645030 |
| 22:17.35 | abrotman | ansong: tried another mirror? |
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| 22:17.58 | abrotman | ansong: try to ping mirrors.kernel.org .. get dropped packets? |
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| 22:19.39 | foo | Hmm, anyway to have a CLI script spit out how long an mp3 / ogg is? As far as playing time .. |
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| 22:20.00 | nok | comment on stop un téléchargement dans aptitude |
| 22:20.06 | ansong | abrotman, it appears up and working. no dropped packets, 63ms response. running aptitude update again didn't list an error, but it didn't redownload anything either. |
| 22:20.17 | nok | ok je lai |
| 22:20.21 | js_ | foo: use mp3info and the stuff in vorbis-tools |
| 22:20.28 | foo | js_: thanks |
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| 22:21.01 | bedboi | is there any fix for libstdc++6 ? |
| 22:21.17 | ansong | it's probably nothing, i'm just being paranoid |
| 22:21.21 | JaMaLz | if i want toreset my box to the begining point do i have to reinstall debian |
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| 22:21.50 | AlexThor | what |
| 22:22.05 | AlexThor | someone¿? |
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| 22:23.21 | nok | c quoi mdetect |
| 22:23.26 | Phuktard | Hi, IM looking for a linux distro to use... Is portage a part of DEbian? |
| 22:23.38 | Phuktard | if not, what does debian use? |
| 22:23.42 | Ronin | Phuktard: no apt-get is though |
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| 22:24.02 | susanka | hi, is the XF86Config-4 the same file like XF86Config ? |
| 22:24.15 | nok | what is mdetect |
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| 22:24.22 | Phuktard | Ronin: ok, whats apt-get like? |
| 22:24.58 | Phuktard | Ihave only heard about portage, is apt-get better than this portage? |
| 22:25.09 | jnk | different... |
| 22:25.10 | azeem | Phuktard: www.debian.org |
| 22:25.40 | jnk | Phuktard, but both are good systems to get software installed... you can try debian and gentoo and see which suits you best |
| 22:26.12 | Phuktard | ok, might do that, thankyou |
| 22:26.29 | abrotman | ansong: apt-get clean ... and try again |
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| 22:27.30 | jnk | nok, detection de la souris (apt-cache show mdetect) |
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| 22:27.51 | azeem | jnk: please try to write english in here |
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| 22:28.27 | jnk | azeem, ok |
| 22:28.41 | duanear | Does SFTP require special configuration in a new Sarge install? FileZilla is having trouble connection, but ssh work sifne. |
| 22:29.49 | petemc | duanear: check sshd_config , i thought it was on by default tho |
| 22:29.51 | ansong | abrotman, i have. it didn't happen again. just to be on the safe side i changed mirrors. update again had no hiccups, so i'm calling it a fluke. it was just strange: usually googling an error message like that will at least pull up a snippet of source so i can try to figure out when the error is supposed to occur. but all i got was a french debian mailing list archive |
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| 22:30.49 | hydride | I'm new to debian, coming from FreeBSD, is there anyting along the lines of sysinstall? |
| 22:31.15 | |dennis| | Question: Does nfs-utils exist for debian...or is it obsolete ...i probably could compile it...but is there any specific reason for it not being there??? |
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| 22:32.50 | JaMaLz | if my hd already partitioned can i make new partition and take some of the current |
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| 22:33.22 | simonrvn | |dennis|: yes |
| 22:34.17 | azeem | JaMaLz: yes |
| 22:34.50 | |dennis| | simonrvn: yes to the notion that it is not included for a good reason??? if so what reason..may i know please... |
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| 22:34.55 | yacoob | Greetings. |
| 22:35.03 | simonrvn | yes it's present |
| 22:35.13 | yacoob | What is The Debian Way to add local modifications to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf file? |
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| 22:37.55 | JasonBoxatWork | I found the issue with apt-get under OldStable -- the new Sources list for Package: linux-2.6 includes about 6,000 Binary: entries |
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| 22:38.34 | |dennis| | simonrvn: i have searched for i and cant findnfs-utils for deb...i did find the source that can be compiled but i was looking for a .deb package. i did find unionfs-utils...not too sure about it...wheer can i get nfs-utils? thanks.. |
| 22:39.10 | automac | anyone know if there's a way to see the progress of an apt-get dist-upgrade? when i used gentoo, i would just `tail -f emerge.log`. is there a similar trick for debian? |
| 22:39.29 | simonrvn | !tell |dennis| -about search |
| 22:39.31 | azeem | automac: doesn't it display output? |
| 22:39.48 | automac | azeem: yes, but i don't know how far it is from being complete |
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| 22:40.04 | azeem | automac: tail -f emerge.log tells you that? |
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| 22:40.15 | azeem | automac: anyway, I don't think there's a way to tell :-/ |
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| 22:41.33 | automac | azeem: when you would do a big merge, tail -f emerge.log would list what package was currently being built, and what number it was out of the total packages being merged |
| 22:41.33 | |dennis| | simondrvn: already did that...also talked to the bot...>> <dpkg> Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'nfs-utils' returned no results. |
| 22:41.47 | devnull | hello .. i have unmet dep issues which are keeping me from installing or removing anything ... apt-get -f install can't replace a package ... how do i go about being able to install something ? |
| 22:41.48 | azeem | automac: I see |
| 22:42.13 | cat | hey when i update my sarge, box i have some errors, im using backports, it's there anyway to fixed this Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:42.14 | azeem | devnull: paste the full output of apt-get -f install to a pastebin |
| 22:42.14 | automac | azeem: not really a percent style progress, but you could at least tell how many were left. |
| 22:42.16 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.16 | azeem | !paster |
| 22:42.17 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 22:42.19 | cat | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 22:42.35 | cat | any ideas |
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| 22:42.41 | cat | i want to fixed this issued |
| 22:42.49 | azeem | cat: that usually is the summary of an error which happened ealier |
| 22:42.51 | azeem | earlier |
| 22:43.17 | cat | azeem: is there anyway to fixed this error? |
| 22:43.23 | cat | i've try apt-get -f install |
| 22:43.35 | cat | but it doesn't work with the forcing option |
| 22:43.41 | azeem | cat: no, unless you paste the full output |
| 22:43.44 | azeem | !paster |
| 22:43.44 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 22:43.50 | devnull | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2319 |
| 22:43.52 | cat | azeem: are you in flood? |
| 22:43.55 | azeem | no |
| 22:44.01 | cat | can you join please? |
| 22:44.06 | azeem | you should address the whole channel anyway |
| 22:44.07 | cat | because im on terminal only |
| 22:44.10 | azeem | I'm going to bed now |
| 22:44.12 | automac | i guess i could just open up another vt and do an `apt-get -s dist-upgrade` and see how many packages it still wants to change |
| 22:44.14 | cat | alrighty, |
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| 22:44.27 | cat | can someone help me out? please |
| 22:44.28 | devnull | pasted |
| 22:44.36 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: what do you need |
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| 22:44.44 | azeem | devnull: ubuntu? |
| 22:44.50 | devnull | yup |
| 22:45.01 | azeem | devnull: try #ubuntu then, please |
| 22:45.05 | devnull | i did |
| 22:45.06 | cat | Led_Zeppelin: is there anyway you can join #flood |
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| 22:45.14 | cat | so i can show you the broken packages |
| 22:45.17 | Led_Zeppelin | I am there cat |
| 22:45.20 | azeem | devnull: well, sorry. File a bug then |
| 22:45.23 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: ok |
| 22:45.25 | devnull | i am asking a general dpkg question of what do i have to do in general to get past this |
| 22:45.33 | cat | done Led_Zeppelin |
| 22:45.36 | azeem | devnull: their packages (or whatever you installed) appear broken |
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| 22:45.46 | azeem | devnull: it's a packaging bug |
| 22:45.50 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: sarge or etch? |
| 22:45.54 | cat | sarge |
| 22:45.56 | cat | backports |
| 22:46.01 | azeem | devnull: you can try to remove both xfwm4 and xfwm4-themes |
| 22:46.06 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: aaa backports...hmmm |
| 22:46.13 | quiet | can someone please find me the bug report for module-assistant ndiswrapper failure... where you have to edit the wrapper.c file? |
| 22:46.15 | cat | yeah |
| 22:46.20 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: try removing and then do it again |
| 22:46.21 | cat | i used it to installed a new kernel |
| 22:46.21 | quiet | i can't seem to find it. but i've had ti before. |
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| 22:46.29 | cat | Led_Zeppelin: i can't it doesn't allow me, |
| 22:46.30 | automac | damn, i forgot about the lock on /var/lib/dpkg. sheesh. |
| 22:46.33 | devnull | azeem i can't remove anything |
| 22:46.40 | cat | rm with apt-get remove or rm directory? |
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| 22:46.46 | azeem | devnull: remove them with dpkg -r |
| 22:46.50 | devnull | gotcha |
| 22:47.17 | devnull | azeem thank you |
| 22:47.24 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: no, apt-get remove <<your package>> |
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| 22:48.03 | cat | look in flood Led_Zeppelin |
| 22:48.32 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: apt-get -f install, just do that |
| 22:48.36 | Led_Zeppelin | "apt-get -f install" |
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| 22:48.38 | Led_Zeppelin | and see what happens. |
| 22:48.39 | cat | it doesn't let me |
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| 22:48.45 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: is it an important box? |
| 22:48.55 | cat | sure is |
| 22:49.12 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: ha! why are you using backports? :-) Stick with stable or etch |
| 22:49.20 | cat | look at flood |
| 22:49.22 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: are you just doing apt-get -f install without any options? |
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| 22:49.33 | azeem | dpkg fails, not apt |
| 22:49.53 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: apt-get clean |
| 22:49.58 | Led_Zeppelin | clean up your cache. |
| 22:49.58 | cat | yeah |
| 22:49.59 | devnull | what are backports ? |
| 22:50.02 | michael117 | What command can I type to view all current connections to a certain machine? |
| 22:50.06 | Led_Zeppelin | devnull: thinks not to install :p |
| 22:50.12 | azeem | Led_Zeppelin: why not? |
| 22:50.16 | Led_Zeppelin | michael117: netstat -a ? |
| 22:50.29 | azeem | if you're careful not to install too many, using backports on stable is fine |
| 22:50.29 | Led_Zeppelin | azeem: look at cat he is having too much fun |
| 22:50.30 | cat | ok Led_Zeppelin |
| 22:50.35 | cat | im done i already did apt-get clean |
| 22:50.37 | azeem | usually better than moving to testing |
| 22:50.46 | Led_Zeppelin | then do, apt-get install |
| 22:50.57 | azeem | cat: is there another package mentioned besides kio-multimedia? |
| 22:51.01 | cat | same error |
| 22:51.02 | azeem | or whatever it was |
| 22:51.03 | cat | azeem: let's see |
| 22:51.10 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: do you alreay have kde installed? |
| 22:51.13 | cat | nope |
| 22:51.15 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: if so, remove it. apt-get remove |
| 22:51.16 | cat | just that one azeem |
| 22:51.25 | azeem | cat: try dpkg -r <that package> |
| 22:51.30 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: dpkg -l | grep -i kde |
| 22:51.30 | azeem | then apt-get -f install again |
| 22:51.52 | cat | dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of |
| 22:51.52 | cat | the files they come in |
| 22:51.53 | Led_Zeppelin | or do azeem's suggestion |
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| 22:52.04 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: dpkg -l | grep -i kde |
| 22:52.10 | azeem | cat: then you got the name wrong |
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| 22:52.14 | cat | Led_Zeppelin: i already did that |
| 22:52.15 | m1co | hi again, i got my fluxbox running, but everything is so goddamn slow |
| 22:52.19 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: what did you get? |
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| 22:52.27 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: got a slow box? :-) |
| 22:52.34 | m1co | i mean like, mozilla firefox ran twice faster on windows 98 on my 166mhz computer, than it runs on fluxbox... |
| 22:52.37 | azeem | cat: dpkg -r kdemultimedia-kio-plugins |
| 22:52.38 | m1co | its weird |
| 22:52.56 | cat | ok done |
| 22:53.22 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: did you take azeem advice? |
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| 22:53.30 | cat | yeah i did |
| 22:53.36 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: did it work? |
| 22:53.43 | cat | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, only the config |
| 22:53.45 | m1co | anyone can help me and tell me why the heck is everything so slow? how come windows is faster than fluxbox without any DE? |
| 22:53.46 | azeem | does apt-get -f install try to install that package again? |
| 22:53.46 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.51 | azeem | ah |
| 22:54.11 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: what are your system specs? |
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| 22:54.21 | nok | i have a usb external drive plugged in...how do i know if its working and what to mount to makw it work |
| 22:54.24 | cat | azeem: im not sure whats going on =( |
| 22:54.24 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: run 'top' to see whats going on |
| 22:54.24 | azeem | cat: ok, paste the output of apt-get -f install into #flood again, please |
| 22:54.30 | cat | okey |
| 22:54.35 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: 32RAM, 166mhz P2, 1MB video |
| 22:54.48 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: but firefox ran twice as faster as it does on fluxbox now |
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| 22:54.51 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: thats pretty old :-) |
| 22:55.19 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: looks like its working. |
| 22:55.33 | Led_Zeppelin | doh |
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| 22:55.39 | cat | done azeem |
| 22:55.41 | cat | not really, |
| 22:55.44 | cat | how is it working? |
| 22:55.44 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: but what can be wrong, fluxbox should be ten times faster than windows 98 |
| 22:55.48 | azeem | so there is kdebase-kio-foo as well |
| 22:55.56 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: run 'top' |
| 22:56.00 | azeem | try to remove that as well |
| 22:56.03 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: i did |
| 22:56.07 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: see what processes are taking up the most resource |
| 22:56.10 | cat | with dpkg -r? |
| 22:56.16 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: what are they? everything look ok? |
| 22:56.21 | nok | i have a usb external drive plugged in...how do i know if its working and what to mount to makw it work |
| 22:56.25 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: maybe you need to set the mouse settings... |
| 22:56.27 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: "top" took most, rest take less than 1 mb |
| 22:56.33 | azeem | cat: dpkg -r kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdebase-kio-plugins |
| 22:56.36 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: mouse settings? uh? |
| 22:56.38 | azeem | then apt-get -f install again |
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| 22:56.51 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: it tells me that mouse module psaux not found, but mouse works |
| 22:56.55 | azeem | cat: don't type 'y', just see whether it wants to install those again or not |
| 22:56.58 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: yah, thats probally why everything is going so slow. With that kind of hardware I would just trash... |
| 22:56.59 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: tells me when i boot up |
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| 22:57.09 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: ok |
| 22:57.15 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: ok, how i get this mouse fixed? |
| 22:57.20 | cat | look in flood again azeem |
| 22:57.42 | azeem | cat: you have a mixed sarge/backports KDE system |
| 22:57.50 | cat | all i have is this line |
| 22:57.59 | azeem | cat: dpkg -l kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdebase-kio-plugins |
| 22:58.00 | cat | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
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| 22:58.09 | m1co | !mouse |
| 22:58.09 | dpkg | i heard mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG |
| 22:58.13 | cat | ic kdemultimedia- 3.3.2-1 Support for browsing audio CDs under Konquer |
| 22:58.13 | cat | ri kdebase-kio-pl 3.3.2-1sarge1 KDE I/O Slaves |
| 22:58.19 | nok | i have a usb external drive plugged in...how do i know if its working and what to mount to makw it work |
| 22:58.22 | azeem | hrm |
| 22:59.11 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: its a x configuration |
| 22:59.13 | Led_Zeppelin | m1co: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html |
| 22:59.20 | rvsjoen | nok: check the logs which device node it's need assigned to and mount it |
| 22:59.23 | cat | yeah azeem any ideas =( |
| 22:59.29 | rvsjoen | s/need/been |
| 22:59.35 | cat | because all i did its just installed a new Kernel |
| 22:59.39 | azeem | cat: I don't know about KDE, I can't give you a good suggestion except to remove it completely |
| 22:59.45 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: hmm, but nothing works there, i got mouse with 2 buttons and a rolleri n the middle, what should i pick? |
| 22:59.46 | cat | how? |
| 22:59.46 | nok | rvsjoen: how do i tchek de log...where is it? |
| 22:59.57 | azeem | hrm |
| 22:59.57 | cat | how can you remove kde completely i don't event used kde |
| 23:00.06 | azeem | cat: do you have a regular sarge line in sources.list as well? |
| 23:00.13 | marsje | I have a really simple question and I'm not sure how to do it: how do I make/run a cron job for backing up my maildirs every night |
| 23:00.14 | cat | yes azeem |
| 23:00.15 | Led_Zeppelin | cat: are you sure? dpkg -l shows no kde? |
| 23:00.29 | azeem | Led_Zeppelin: cat's not *using* it |
| 23:00.32 | azeem | it's installed though |
| 23:00.36 | rvsjoen | nok: /var/log/messages |
| 23:00.38 | Led_Zeppelin | marsje: what time? |
| 23:00.54 | marsje | Led_Zeppelin: like 4 AM |
| 23:01.15 | cat | Led_Zeppelin: nope is not there, |
| 23:01.22 | marsje | do I just need to write a script and put in in /etc/cron.daily? |
| 23:01.24 | rvsjoen | marsje: 'man 5 crontab' will have some examples |
| 23:01.25 | Led_Zeppelin | marsje: 0 4 * * * /path/to/your/program > /dev/null |
| 23:01.38 | Led_Zeppelin | marsje: if you like. |
| 23:02.02 | marsje | rvsjoen: are there any debian specific things? |
| 23:02.12 | cat | i had never gotten this error, before |
| 23:02.22 | rvsjoen | at least not that I know of |
| 23:02.23 | azeem | cat: you can try to dpkg -i --force-overwrite the two kio packages |
| 23:02.50 | m1co | Led_Zeppelin: how can i fix this mouse problem, what should i exactly do, got any ideas? its 2am here and i still havent got anything to work yet |
| 23:02.52 | azeem | !remove kde |
| 23:02.52 | dpkg | methinks remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 23:02.53 | azeem | or that |
| 23:02.58 | cat | look in flood azeem |
| 23:03.04 | marsje | Led_Zeppelin, rvsjoen: so what's up with /etc/cron.d, /etc/cron.daily etc |
| 23:03.33 | azeem | cat: dpkg wants .deb filenames not packages names |
| 23:03.35 | Led_Zeppelin | marsje: nothing. Just use regular crontab |
| 23:03.41 | cat | oh okey, |
| 23:03.42 | azeem | cat: try apt-get remove --purge kdelibs first |
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| 23:04.24 | marsje | Led_Zeppelin: ok, thanks. Will try it |
| 23:04.27 | rvsjoen | marsje: the /etc/crontab file provides system-wide jobs, and it runs the contents of those folders at the given interval |
| 23:05.01 | cat | azeem: look again i get this error |
| 23:05.09 | azeem | cat: look again what I told you |
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| 23:05.45 | cat | it doesn't allow me to azeem |
| 23:05.50 | azeem | ok |
| 23:05.57 | azeem | run dpkg --configure -a |
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| 23:07.05 | cat | ok |
| 23:07.08 | cat | done |
| 23:07.12 | cat | no errors |
| 23:07.14 | azeem | apt-get -f install |
| 23:07.16 | plb | what would be the best kernel to run for an amd64 running in 32bit debian? amd k7 or 686? |
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| 23:08.58 | azeem | cat: does apt-get -f install try to do anything still? |
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| 23:11.12 | cat | now is working azeem my other question is im having issues with my nvidia card, |
| 23:11.23 | cat | for example i set it up and everything is good so when i restart my pc, |
| 23:11.36 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.36 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.41 | cat | i get that error |
| 23:11.44 | azeem | cat: don't know about that |
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| 23:12.04 | azeem | cat: remove backports from sources.lists and run apt-get update if you don't need further packages from there |
| 23:12.06 | rvsjoen | weasel_00: dmesg |
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| 23:12.13 | cat | okey |
| 23:12.30 | azeem | cat: and remove kde as indicated above if you don't need it, I guess the currently installed version is slightly broken due to the --force |
| 23:12.44 | azeem | anyway, going to bed now, bye |
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| 23:13.12 | indian_ | hi |
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| 23:13.33 | AciD | !r |
| 23:13.34 | dpkg | [r] a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 23:13.35 | AciD | !fr |
| 23:13.36 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:13.49 | bazz | is there a simple(ish) way to make a directory that has a limited amount of space, even though the fs it's on has more? |
| 23:15.39 | indian_ | i have a problem: i use evolution 2.4 and if i started the program, it stops, and i can't do nothing with it, no error messages, nothing. can somebody help me, what could be wrong? |
| 23:15.54 | roler | I am trying to get sound working with my laptop using the Intel HD Audio card...I have enabled "Intel HD Audio" in the kernel, and when my laptop boots, I see: " #0: HDA Intel at 0xdfebc000 irq 20". WHen I play sound, I get no errrors and everything seems right. But I get NO sound. And yes, I have played with the mixer... |
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| 23:16.15 | seele_ | no se que paso pero ya no veo las imagenes de mi pagina desde firefox ... |
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| 23:20.09 | SonnyBurnett | do you know why anjuta doent work in etch? |
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| 23:20.56 | m1co_ | anyone tell me how i get psmouse module for debian, on kernel 2.4? it doesnt excist |
| 23:21.01 | m1co_ | !psmouse |
| 23:21.05 | m1co_ | !mouse |
| 23:21.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG |
| 23:21.57 | beardy | !wayttd m1co_ |
| 23:21.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, m1co_? |
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| 23:22.09 | Spudchat | hi, im trying to set up a linunx server in the following manner, a cdrom and 80 GB harddrive sharing the first ide channel, with that drive being the / , and then two 250 GB drives sharing the second channel to be mounted as /home/ is it possible to use lvm on the 2x250 GB drives, or would i need to use RAID ? |
| 23:22.21 | m1co_ | beardy im trying to get mouse module work on kernel 2.4 (debian sarge) |
| 23:22.38 | beardy | m1co_: With what? X, gpm, somethign else? |
| 23:22.49 | m1co_ | beardy: i have psmouse and there's no module for it, there's one listed in xserver config but not in files, with xfree86 xdm and fluxbox |
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| 23:24.29 | m1co_ | so |
| 23:24.31 | m1co_ | anyone knows? |
| 23:24.34 | m1co_ | whats up with that |
| 23:24.35 | beardy | m1co_: Just reconfigure X, select /dev/psaux as the device, if any module needs to be loaded, it will be. |
| 23:24.43 | BullWeivel | Routing and PPTP issues...anyone know if you can force a route to stay put if the interface gets dropped? For example im running pptp and it keeps dropping the routes when the pptp gets dropped. I want to force the routes to stay in play even if the interface isn't present. |
| 23:24.44 | beardy | !drxx m1co_ |
| 23:24.44 | dpkg | m1co_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:24.58 | m1co_ | hehe, i tried it, it still told that no psmouse module found when i booted up |
| 23:25.29 | beardy | m1co_: Compiled the kernel yourself? |
| 23:26.17 | m1co_ | beardy: nope, installed debian core on netinstall |
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| 23:26.48 | shadowarts | is there a program just like mail, except it works with Maildir instead of mbox? |
| 23:26.56 | m1co_ | beardy: i choose psaux and then it asks what it describes it the best |
| 23:27.01 | beardy | m1co_: 'modprobe psmouse' what does that say? |
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| 23:27.52 | m1co_ | Can't locate module psmouse. |
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| 23:28.39 | m1co_ | beardy: so whats up with that |
| 23:29.30 | beardy | m1co_: Nothing, it just doesn't exist, by that name. |
| 23:29.35 | herrpoons | hi can anyone help me i am having problems with quotas on my machine |
| 23:29.38 | AussieHatter | hello, can someone tell me an easy to check on a remote system whether grub or lilo is being used ? both are installed but before i reboot i would like to know which one is being used |
| 23:30.05 | m1co_ | beardy: what do i use then, and do you know where xfree86 config is located at? |
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| 23:30.20 | beardy | m1co_: 'locate foo' |
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| 23:30.49 | m1co_ | beardy: nothing found |
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| 23:33.49 | bubshait | hi, I wanted to know what hardware detection mechanism is used by debian? |
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| 23:34.10 | bubshait | is it just udev and hal? |
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| 23:34.49 | grendal_prime | anyone using a netgear ma401 wireless card successfully? |
| 23:35.28 | stew | bubshait: the current installer uses discover and hotplug, the next will use udev and hal |
| 23:35.29 | grendal_prime | i cant seem to get these to work..i know they use to...but ..hmm something must have changed with kernel version upgrade |
| 23:35.39 | grendal_prime | i have two of them by the way. |
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| 23:36.47 | moshii | hmm is there a nice way I can build a netbsd-sparc cross compiling toolchain in debian? |
| 23:37.04 | P4C0 | hello guys, is there a place to talk about making of debian packages? |
| 23:37.27 | gravity | P4C0: What's your question? |
| 23:37.38 | bubshait | stew, where is the hardware data and install scripts located? |
| 23:37.48 | bubshait | is there an equivelent of hwdata? |
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| 23:38.09 | Stevie-O | what does it mean if 'ps x' displays a process with STAT=D<L+ |
| 23:38.10 | Stevie-O | ? |
| 23:38.20 | Arjan | How do i get xorg-6.9.0 to work with a Matrox G400? |
| 23:38.41 | Rizzer | P4C0: #debian-mentors might be helpful |
| 23:39.23 | P4C0 | Rizzer, thanks |
| 23:39.31 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.34 | gravity | ooookaaaay |
| 23:39.35 | cat | is my video card, |
| 23:39.43 | beardy | !ask |
| 23:39.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:39.58 | stew | bubshait: /lib/discover[1]/* ; i don't know what hwdata is |
| 23:40.02 | P4C0 | gravity, I need to make a package, an interactive one... that support install, remove, purge, update... |
| 23:40.06 | cat | my video card was working good, i download the nvidia drivers, |
| 23:40.10 | cat | and everything was alright, |
| 23:40.18 | stew | P4C0: have you read the new maintainers guide? |
| 23:40.18 | cat | but everytime i log out, it doesn't work |
| 23:40.20 | cat | i wonder why |
| 23:40.35 | gravity | P4C0: Ok. Do you have no idea how to make a package then? |
| 23:41.22 | beardy | !tell cat -about nvidia howto |
| 23:41.41 | P4C0 | gravity, yes, but all the howto's so far don't have detailled info about asking questions to user |
| 23:42.13 | P4C0 | stew, no, where can I find it? |
| 23:42.16 | stew | P4C0: my recommendation is to look at the packaging of some other package you wish to emulate |
| 23:42.24 | gravity | P4C0: You need to read the documentation about debconf. The spec is in the debian-policy package, and the details are in the debconf-doc package |
| 23:42.27 | beardy | !nm |
| 23:42.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 23:42.28 | stew | P4C0: apt-get install maint-guide ; /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/* |
| 23:42.34 | P4C0 | stew, yes, that's wat I'll try to do |
| 23:43.12 | P4C0 | gravity, I know |
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| 23:43.20 | P4C0 | thanks stew |
| 23:43.24 | gravity | P4C0: Then what's the problem? |
| 23:43.30 | gravity | I just told you where the docs are |
| 23:43.33 | gravity | Have you read them? |
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| 23:43.57 | P4C0 | gravity, :) |
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| 23:44.08 | m1co | i wanna change ide-disk.o file, somewhy it keeps trying to find psmouse everytime i boot up, why is this? |
| 23:44.15 | indian_ | is anybody here in mailing problems? |
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| 23:44.36 | beardy | indian_: Ask a better question. |
| 23:44.39 | beardy | !sicco |
| 23:44.39 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 23:44.47 | gravity | P4C0: Look, those docs are how I learned to use debconf. Also, like stew suggested, look at other packages. Plus debconf itself is in perl, so you can just look at it to find out the details, although I doubt you really need to go that deep |
| 23:44.57 | m1co | !ide-disk |
| 23:45.00 | m1co | !ide |
| 23:45.01 | dpkg | methinks ide is (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment |
| 23:45.06 | indian_ | beardy, i've asked it, but there was no answer |
| 23:45.06 | Led_Zeppelin | indian_: what do you need? |
| 23:45.09 | indian_ | i have a problem: i use evolution 2.4 and if i started the program, it stops, and i can't do nothing with it, no error messages, nothing. can somebody help me, what could be wrong? |
| 23:45.10 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 23:45.10 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
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| 23:45.16 | VulpesFoxnik | uh... I don't need this today. I'm almost tempted tp reinstall again. My Kernel is reporting modules not found and I don't have any sound (despite all logical explinations. Yes. I added myself and root to the audio group) |
| 23:45.40 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: what command are you typing and what error are you getting? |
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| 23:45.58 | P4C0 | how can I find a package that uses a lot of debconf? |
| 23:46.10 | beardy | VulpesFoxnik: root doesn't need to be in any group, root is root, but root doesn't care about sound anyway. Answer stew. |
| 23:46.19 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: Access denied for the /dev/mixer. And for the boot error It's telling me I don't have keyboard, mouse and ide modules |
| 23:46.33 | VulpesFoxnik | I think it may be from a residual config since I didn't format /boot |
| 23:47.01 | indian_ | and finally i can't restart from GUI, neither halt, i can only do that from tty |
| 23:47.02 | VulpesFoxnik | But the Sound was working after first boot and then things started acting up |
| 23:47.03 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: do you have the udev package installed? what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:47.12 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: Etch |
| 23:47.29 | stew | P4C0: grep db_input /var/log/dpkg/info/* |
| 23:47.34 | VulpesFoxnik | stew: Udev should be installed. let me check |
| 23:47.47 | P4C0 | stew, thanks a lot for you help :) |
| 23:47.51 | VulpesFoxnik | yes it is installed |
| 23:48.51 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: the /dev/mixer file exists? it should be crw-rw----. what card do you have? what driver are you using? |
| 23:49.03 | stew | VulpesFoxnik: make sure psmouse and mousedev are listed in /etc/modules |
| 23:49.07 | cat | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 23:49.10 | cat | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 23:49.12 | VulpesFoxnik | It does. I've even run alsaconf. I'll check the rw on it |
| 23:49.13 | cat | anyone wonder why |
| 23:49.19 | stew | cat: /msg dpkg marillat key |
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| 23:49.44 | P4C0 | stew, I don't have this dir... /var/log/dpkg |
| 23:49.52 | stew | P4C0: sorry /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:50.06 | VulpesFoxnik | rw rw |
| 23:50.06 | P4C0 | stew, :D thanks |
| 23:50.43 | VulpesFoxnik | Even as root I can't get it to play sound |
| 23:50.44 | hydride | Question: I have installed apache via 'apt-get install apache2' and am in the process of configuring it. Modifying the apache.conf I get a "Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName". Can someone help me with this? |
| 23:50.56 | VulpesFoxnik | I can however run ALSA mixer as root |
| 23:51.05 | VulpesFoxnik | and the sound levels are all the way up |
| 23:51.13 | cat | gpg: WARNING: nothing exported |
| 23:51.14 | cat | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 23:51.26 | nok | kekun sais til comment faire pour savoir sur quel support(hda,sda1...) se retrouve mon disque externe et pourquoi mon disque usb nest pas detecter |
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| 23:51.36 | beardy | !fr |
| 23:51.36 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:51.37 | beardy | ? |
| 23:51.49 | cat | any ideas? |
| 23:52.13 | cat | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 23:52.13 | cat | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these probl |
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| 23:52.34 | nvz | I think I may have just blown up a monitor with dosbox |
| 23:52.46 | VulpesFoxnik | Stew: I'm using a Creative Audigy |
| 23:52.49 | beardy | nvz: WHat happened? :) |
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| 23:53.31 | nvz | beardy: was in fullscreen and wrote a simple program to change screen mode to get a different resolution |
| 23:53.57 | nvz | beardy: I dont think the X settings were right though.. I changed the monitor and the freq settings |
| 23:54.26 | beardy | nvz: So what happened, any magic smoke, or funny sounds? |
| 23:54.58 | nvz | beardy: the magic smoke didnt come out but I heard some sounds and the light went off completly |
| 23:56.05 | beardy | nvz: How old is the monitor? If it's not to old, it should have "Out of sync" protection and such things, shouldn't it? |
| 23:56.13 | Arjan | I updated my unstable box, which means xorg-6.9.0. It doesn't work with the old drivers I had for xfree, and the xorg drivers i downloaded from matrox don't install cuz it's up to 6.8.1... anyone know how I can get my G400 to work? |
| 23:56.14 | cat | can someone help me with my error please? |
| 23:57.34 | VulpesFoxnik | meh i'm going to go see if rebooting helps |
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| 23:58.10 | nvz | beardy: Princeton Graphics Systems EO50 |
| 23:58.48 | mlask | hi there! how can i remove some ugly package when even "apt-get remove --force-yes --purge" doesn't work? |
