| 00:01.17 | chealer | Xenguy: I "hope" too, but AFAIK Ubuntu officially will eventually offer security support for 6 releases simultaneously. I doubt a few developers will succeed to do that decently |
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| 00:01.49 | dondelelcaro | chealer: actually, most developers are responsible for backporting the security fixes to their own packages. |
| 00:02.14 | bucky | what about the passwords in the installer log files http://lwn.net/Articles/175422/ |
| 00:02.26 | dondelelcaro | chealer: the stable security teams primary job is to make sure that the embargoed security fixes are backported appropraitely, since that's the job no one else can do. |
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| 00:03.05 | dondelelcaro | (they're also, of course, responsible for actually making the security release as well...) |
| 00:03.19 | Xenguy | chealer: sounds daunting, admittedly |
| 00:04.09 | chealer | dondelelcaro: OK, but that would probably apply to the "sub-distributions" too, so I guess the comparison is still valid |
| 00:04.18 | kingsley | Is there a package that logs how much a computer is used, probably by monitoring keyboard and mouse activity? |
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| 00:04.34 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: workrave can kind of do that |
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| 00:05.21 | chealer | dondelelcaro: but thanks for rectification, I probably mispictured the facts |
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| 00:06.15 | dondelelcaro | chealer: I was just making sure that it was clear that there's more than one person working on security; it's really difficult to say anything about the state of sub distributions though, so I wasn't commenting on them at all... |
| 00:06.49 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 00:10.00 | azeem | bucky: that bug does not apply to Debian |
| 00:10.46 | bkudria | i run "sudo /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and i see "dpkg-reconfigure: cannot connect to X server; debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde; debconf: (DISPLAY problem?); debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog" ... how do i fix it? how do i use the KDE frontend? |
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| 00:12.45 | chealer | bkudria: I guess the same way you get X applications to run as root |
| 00:12.54 | sorsis | if i would like to use some alien packages, could i use some kind of repository and command line options to search and isntall those without getting those packages to my hd first? |
| 00:13.18 | chealer | sorsis: alien packages? |
| 00:13.56 | sorsis | chealer: you know alien program? i mean ie redhat or suse packages. |
| 00:14.28 | bkudria | chealer: i'm sorry, i don't understand...this is a debconf problem? |
| 00:14.56 | chealer | sorsis: OK, that makes more sense. so you're looking for some kind of APT for RPM? |
| 00:15.09 | sorsis | chealer: might be. |
| 00:15.28 | azeem | sorsis: if you need to run alien a lot, something is going wrong anyway |
| 00:15.28 | sorsis | chealer: is there deb for yum? |
| 00:15.35 | azeem | actually, I think there is |
| 00:15.51 | chealer | sorsis: apparently |
| 00:16.16 | sorsis | azeem: i'm not planning this kind of thing. i'm just curious. |
| 00:17.00 | sorsis | azeem: i'm actually intrested about freshrpms but i hate fedora. |
| 00:17.16 | chealer | sorsis: it looks the closest thing to what you talk about in Debian |
| 00:17.53 | sorsis | chealer: i'll look forward how that would work. |
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| 00:30.03 | nix4me | lots of updates to etch these days |
| 00:30.17 | nix4me | new firefox and now my totem wont play any wmvs |
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| 00:30.51 | DJTacki | hi there |
| 00:31.09 | DJTacki | i've got some problem with exim4 setup.... |
| 00:31.26 | Agrajag- | nix4me: location of w32codecs has changed. i suggest doing symlinking all the files in /usr/lib/codecs to ~/.gnome2/totem-addons/ |
| 00:31.51 | nix4me | thanks, ill take a look |
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| 00:32.18 | DJTacki | Setting up exim4-config (4.50-8) ...dpkg-statoverride: cannot open statoverride: No such file or directory |
| 00:32.28 | DJTacki | that was in the command line |
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| 00:32.51 | DJTacki | i'm not understand the dpkg-statoverride function |
| 00:33.01 | DJTacki | what this function do |
| 00:33.05 | DJTacki | pls help me |
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| 00:34.35 | foo | Anyone know of some linux software I could use to resize and basically reencode an avi but for my pda or something? |
| 00:34.47 | simonrvn | DJTacki: man dpkg-statoverride |
| 00:35.01 | moshii | foo: transcode, mencoder .. |
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| 00:35.33 | gord | foo: ffmpeg |
| 00:35.41 | foo | gord: thanks. |
| 00:35.54 | gord | moshii gave the other good ones |
| 00:36.01 | gord | meconder and transcode |
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| 00:38.18 | simonrvn | djace: take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.*inst for an idea of what's going on |
| 00:38.22 | simonrvn | djace: sorry |
| 00:38.26 | simonrvn | DJTacki: ^^^ |
| 00:38.30 | JeffH | What is supposed to be in the mailman site file? I just instaled mailman and it says it needs one and can't find it. |
| 00:39.07 | [T]valmet | i have a kind of newbieish question, is there a graphical interface to install a nic? |
| 00:39.37 | gord | [T]valmet, like a graphical interface to /sbin/ifconfig? |
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| 00:40.39 | [T]valmet | well one where you can see all your nics and set them up with ips and such |
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| 00:41.13 | moshii | [T]valmet: look in /etc/network |
| 00:41.28 | nix4me | totem is hosed now since all the etch updates |
| 00:41.44 | moshii | [T]valmet: you don't really need any sort of user interface, it's pretty straight forward |
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| 00:41.58 | nix4me | the symlinks to .gnome2/totem-addons did not work |
| 00:42.51 | kingsley | Which directory holds scripts that are run after X in the boot sequence? |
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| 00:43.13 | moshii | kingsley: /etc/X11 Xsession.d I think |
| 00:43.28 | moshii | kingsley: you can use a .xsession for your own user though |
| 00:43.31 | nix4me | now the new firefox is hosed |
| 00:43.45 | nix4me | this is what i get for updating i guess |
| 00:44.38 | kingsley | moshii: Thank you. |
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| 00:48.45 | nix4me | how do i file a bug? this new firefox 1.5 in etch sucks |
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| 00:49.09 | nix4me | ill find it |
| 00:49.16 | [T]valmet | another question: when i installed my debian i got up a dialogue where i chose nic, is it possible to get to that dialogue again or run something similar? |
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| 00:49.58 | ricochet | can I cat /var/mail/user >> ~/mbox and have it just append those mails in /var/mail/user ? |
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| 00:50.34 | simonrvn | nix4me: apt-get install reportbug. then run reportbug --config as your user |
| 00:50.41 | simonrvn | then you can file the bug |
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| 00:51.07 | SimoMax | Ciao!!! |
| 00:51.35 | Drac[Server] | Hiya. I'm trying to put Debian on my Mac Performa 6115CD (part of the PowerMac 6100 series), and I can't seem to get it to boot the CD. Can somebody help me? |
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| 00:54.17 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 00:55.23 | nix4me | worthless, there are 647 bugs on firefox. im not going to search them all. i just want to go back to the old version. everything worked perfectly |
| 00:55.46 | moshii | nix4me: there is an unstable snapshot thingy somewhere |
| 00:56.16 | Drac[Server] | Naturally, nobody has a clue as to what I'm talking about, let alone how to help me. |
| 00:56.22 | nix4me | i dont follow |
| 00:56.34 | moshii | Drac[Server]: have you tried the manual |
| 00:56.43 | moshii | Drac[Server]: there's #debian-ppc too I think |
| 00:56.54 | Drac[Server] | moshii, do you honestly think I have the manual to an eleven year old machine? |
| 00:57.05 | moshii | nix4me: there is a server somewhere that has daily snapshots of unstable i think |
| 00:57.11 | moshii | Drac[Server]: I mean the debian one :) |
| 00:57.33 | nix4me | oh, well i want the version from etch before my update today |
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| 00:57.41 | moshii | Drac[Server]: there's usually a lot of info about getting a platform booted in the manual :) |
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| 00:58.10 | moshii | nix4me: by etch you mean testing? or have I missed something? |
| 00:58.15 | nix4me | yes |
| 00:58.19 | nix4me | testing |
| 00:58.36 | nix4me | i used synaptic to do 60 updates today, and now firefox is crap |
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| 00:58.48 | nix4me | it got upgraded from 1.07 to 1.5 |
| 00:59.06 | moshii | nix4me: you might want to pin unstable into your system so that when it becomes uncrap you don't have to wait weeks |
| 00:59.06 | trae_ | im having toruble with kdevelop3 on AMD64 sarge |
| 00:59.10 | Puter | If I wanted to make a script run at boot up I assume run level 1 ? single user mode I would put a script in this case enableing port forwarding (echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward) into /etc/rc1.d ? |
| 00:59.17 | trae_ | it just will not load |
| 00:59.25 | trae_ | any ideas? |
| 00:59.46 | moshii | Puter: why do you want to do it? |
| 01:00.00 | nix4me | so your saying i should pin firefox to get the unstable updates. i will check the version on debian package site |
| 01:00.03 | chealer | trae_: when doing what? |
| 01:00.27 | Puter | moshii: I want to enable IP forwarding when it boots up as it seems to disable after a reboot |
| 01:00.31 | trae_ | chealor: when selecting any kdevelop IDE from the K menu in KDE |
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| 01:00.33 | bucky | Drac[Server]: you might have to make a custom install kernel http://infolinux.de/ppc/ |
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| 01:00.38 | moshii | nix4me: you can have testing as your prefered distro and then have unstable in the backgroud for when things go bang |
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| 01:00.49 | brice | lut |
| 01:00.51 | brice | !list |
| 01:00.51 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to brice@is.a.fucktard.com |
| 01:00.55 | nix4me | ok, i will try to figure that out |
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| 01:01.01 | nix4me | i have never done that |
| 01:01.20 | trae_ | chealer: turns out it must be a bug with the shortcut, it runs fine from konsole |
| 01:01.27 | moshii | Puter: I think you need to find the real problem, I don't think what you're thinking is the right way to go about it |
| 01:01.28 | chealer | trae_: it is |
| 01:02.00 | Puter | moshii: Theres a reason why it won't keep my setting ? |
| 01:02.10 | unstable | hahahaha |
| 01:02.13 | unstable | !factinfo list |
| 01:02.13 | dpkg | list -- created by za <~za@62.252.236.75> at Wed Aug 14 22:34:06 2002 (1332 days); it has been requested 342 times, last by M00nD0g at Thu Dec 1 06:51:40 2005. |
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| 01:02.34 | moshii | Puter: well, it's kernel variable.. but the scripts you're using to setup routing should be enabling it |
| 01:02.59 | nix4me | unstable firefox and testing are the same version |
| 01:03.21 | Puter | moshii: Hmmm they don't :( |
| 01:03.27 | moshii | nix4me: you're going to have to wait then, you find a place that has the previous version |
| 01:03.51 | moshii | nix4me: if you're running testing or unstable it's what you have to expect |
| 01:04.02 | nix4me | yeah |
| 01:04.04 | nix4me | thanks |
| 01:04.10 | nix4me | for the help |
| 01:04.21 | moshii | nix4me: there is snapshot server I'm pretty sure |
| 01:04.30 | moshii | nix4me: google debian testing snapshot I think |
| 01:04.30 | nix4me | ill google it |
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| 01:05.48 | moshii | nix4me: http://snapshot.debian.net/ I think that's it |
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| 01:07.19 | unstable | !snapshot |
| 01:07.19 | dpkg | i heard debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 01:08.44 | Stevie | pure-ftpd seems to be broken |
| 01:09.04 | Stevie | it depends on a vertion of pure-ftpd-common that I can't find |
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| 01:09.12 | nix4me | i got it, just trying to figure it out |
| 01:09.15 | UncleSkunk | is it normal to see the same command process running multiple times? I type top and I see mysqld like 10 times and others. |
| 01:09.32 | moshii | UncleSkunk: it's running 10 servers |
| 01:10.05 | moshii | UncleSkunk: just in case lots of people start connecting to it |
| 01:10.25 | UncleSkunk | oh. for a sec I thought that was a bad thing |
| 01:10.36 | Stevie | well, it is a bad thing. |
| 01:10.43 | Stevie | After all, it *is* MySql |
| 01:10.52 | Stevie | now if it was postgresql, then it'd be a good thing ;) |
| 01:11.30 | UncleSkunk | moshii: thanks! and to stevie: grrrrrr |
| 01:11.35 | Stevie | hehe |
| 01:11.40 | minerale | is MySql coreleased under the gpl ? |
| 01:11.45 | Stevie | Pg rules |
| 01:11.53 | minerale | or is it just 'free to use' ? |
| 01:11.54 | moshii | it's free so like it or lump it ;) |
| 01:12.04 | moshii | minerale: dual license I think |
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| 01:12.53 | minerale | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mysql - that's a scary picture of the developer |
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| 01:14.02 | Stevie | seriously |
| 01:14.15 | Stevie | can you trust any software written by a guy whose last name looks that similar to "Windows" ? |
| 01:14.49 | petemc | whats in a name? |
| 01:15.05 | UncleSkunk | Stevie: heh |
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| 01:15.34 | minerale | How does Postgre compare to mysql ? |
| 01:15.40 | UncleSkunk | well, I'm using it for learning php. |
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| 01:16.27 | Stevie | oh good lord |
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| 01:16.54 | moshii | I didn't think people learnt php, just pasted stuff together from websites and forums |
| 01:16.59 | Squall` | Is there a way to get a package from a specific server without adding that server to sources.list? i.e. some paramater to apt-get or something? |
| 01:17.24 | Stevie | Squall`: just download it, then install it with: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 01:17.28 | moshii | Squall`: download the package, and dpkg -i package.dev |
| 01:17.32 | Squall` | okay |
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| 01:17.34 | moshii | .deb ;) |
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| 01:24.47 | klohunt | Does anyone know when the next release of Debian will be? |
| 01:25.10 | dvs | klohunt: they are aiming for December so I'll say 2010 |
| 01:25.19 | petemc | *bam* |
| 01:25.33 | klohunt | dvs:really? |
| 01:25.39 | petemc | klohunt: no, theres too many variables |
| 01:25.45 | dvs | klohunt: the first part is true |
| 01:25.51 | klohunt | they dont make the releases predictable in any way? |
| 01:25.53 | dvs | kinda |
| 01:25.55 | klohunt | ah |
| 01:26.00 | dvs | klohunt: nope |
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| 01:27.03 | KR3470R0 | hiya |
| 01:27.11 | unstable | !greet KR3470R0 |
| 01:27.11 | dpkg | Hello, KR3470R0 |
| 01:27.25 | KR3470R0 | does this channel do support? |
| 01:27.38 | unstable | !about |
| 01:27.38 | dpkg | enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client |
| 01:27.39 | dvs | KR3470R0: for a fee... ;-) |
| 01:27.45 | KR3470R0 | lol |
| 01:27.46 | Ronin | jae: support for what? |
| 01:27.48 | unstable | KR3470R0: yes, it costs 400 a month |
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| 01:28.07 | Ronin | or rather KR3470R0 support for what |
| 01:28.11 | Ronin | damn drunk fingers |
| 01:28.28 | KR3470R0 | i'm trying to install eternal lands - i installed the c++ libs, and now when i try to run the application, it says |
| 01:28.28 | KR3470R0 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 01:28.28 | KR3470R0 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 01:28.55 | unstable | !donations |
| 01:28.55 | dpkg | it has been said that donations is http://www.debian.org/donations If you like debian and have some spare cash, please donate. |
| 01:29.19 | kingspawn | i wonder if there are many people with "spare cash" |
| 01:29.23 | unstable | KR3470R0: What application are you trying to run? |
| 01:29.32 | KR3470R0 | el.x86.linux.bin |
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| 01:29.47 | KR3470R0 | kingspawn - i wonder if there are many ppl with cash period :> |
| 01:29.52 | kainam | i want too install vpopmail, which must only exist in unstable - how do i acheive this? |
| 01:30.01 | kainam | just add a unstable reference in sources.list ?? |
| 01:30.29 | rafael | i wonder if there are many people |
| 01:30.43 | UncleSkunk | haha |
| 01:30.43 | KR3470R0 | lol |
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| 01:31.30 | KR3470R0 | so, any ideas? |
| 01:31.39 | KR3470R0 | i'm running Kubuntu if that's any help |
| 01:31.56 | unstable | kainam: no |
| 01:31.57 | petemc | zing! |
| 01:32.02 | spurty | hey, anyone give me a heads up on creating an e-mail group alias please? What I want to do is use svn commit hook to send a mail out to all devs. Am I on the right track even? |
| 01:32.17 | unstable | kainam: vpopmail depends on libc6, so if you install vpopmail from testing you will completely fuck up your system. |
| 01:32.45 | kainam | unstable, should i just compile via source? :\ |
| 01:32.55 | unstable | kainam: You have to either wait for it to go into testing, compile sources, or dist-upgrade to unstable. |
| 01:33.06 | kainam | :( |
| 01:33.08 | kainam | thanks |
| 01:34.11 | KR3470R0 | is it a drivers issue, per chance? |
| 01:34.13 | petemc | kainam: what does vpopmail that other pop3ds dont? |
| 01:34.32 | unstable | !tell KR3470R0 about kubuntu |
| 01:34.34 | unstable | !ubuntu |
| 01:34.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 01:34.42 | spurty | ty for the heads up on .forward files. Back to google for the win |
| 01:34.46 | unstable | KR3470R0: We don't support that, please join #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
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| 01:34.48 | kainam | petemc, not sure what a pop3d is, but i want virtual domain/user support fot qmail |
| 01:34.52 | KR3470R0 | coolio, thanks :) |
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| 01:35.20 | barry | I had some company come to visit so I had to get out of IRC for a while. I was having touble with my sound system. I just installed debian last night and when sounds play there is a 1/2 second delay. It is only noticable in games and applications where user mouse/or keyboard actions is supposed to trigger a sound. I have alsa drivers properly loaded any Ideas? |
| 01:35.38 | petemc | kainam: do you need vpopmail for that? qmail is fairly obsolete, fwiw |
| 01:35.58 | kainam | petemc, what would you use? |
| 01:36.03 | unstable | !alsa-bork |
| 01:36.03 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 01:36.17 | unstable | That doesn't help. |
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| 01:36.38 | unstable | barry: no idea. I have delays sometimes too. But not badly enough where I care to figure out why. |
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| 01:37.16 | petemc | kainam: exim/dovecot |
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| 01:37.51 | dhuv | hello all |
| 01:38.00 | nachoguy | I have an issue where I cannot ssh out of a machine. Using the same kernel on a different userland, I have no issues. strace tells me that it is haivng issues readint /dev/tty, but /dev/tty has been chmoded to 666, which is all I could find while googling it |
| 01:38.01 | unstable | !greet dhuv |
| 01:38.01 | dpkg | Tag, dhuv |
| 01:38.03 | nachoguy | any ideas? |
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| 01:38.21 | unstable | nachoguy: What version of debian? |
| 01:38.32 | nachoguy | sarge |
| 01:38.53 | loumz | Hi, is there a precompiled kernel pkg to fix DSA 1017-1 or do I have to package it myself using make-kpkg (I'm using stable)? |
| 01:39.04 | dhuv | I am having a problem with the installation of debian on a software raid 5 system. I tried hardware raid 5 but after configuring it in the highpoint 1640, debian still recognizes the 3 disks attached rather than the logical drive |
| 01:39.18 | unstable | loumz: yes, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:39.26 | unstable | !tell dhuv about raid |
| 01:39.30 | barry | nachoguy you do have the ssh package installed right? |
| 01:39.32 | loumz | unstable: thanks |
| 01:39.36 | nachoguy | indeed |
| 01:39.54 | nachoguy | I've even tried uninstalling and purging conf files, but no dice |
| 01:40.04 | unstable | nachoguy: Did you modify ssh? Are you using iptables? |
| 01:40.25 | nachoguy | no modifications to ssh, and no iptables rules have been put in place |
| 01:40.39 | nachoguy | you can ssh into the box, but you cannot ssh out |
| 01:40.45 | nachoguy | sshing to localhost also fails |
| 01:41.38 | barry | nachoguy when you are trying to ssh out are you trying to connect to a local network box or one on the internet? |
| 01:41.42 | dhuv | so I figured I would try software raid 5, I configure it uding the partioner and when it goes to format it failes to format reiserfs or jfs |
| 01:41.52 | dhuv | how do I find out about <software raid> |
| 01:41.54 | nachoguy | barry: local network |
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| 01:42.20 | unstable | !tell dhuv about software raid |
| 01:42.22 | petemc | nachoguy: use ssh -vvv , or run sshd in debug mode |
| 01:42.27 | barry | do you have the hosts table set up with the ip addresses of your local network box that you are trying to connect to? |
| 01:42.27 | unstable | dhuv: /msg dpkg help; /msg dpkg software raid; |
| 01:42.34 | buu | petemc: Which sshd in debug mode? |
| 01:42.52 | petemc | buu: sshd -d |
| 01:43.08 | buu | petemc: You mean sshing to a different box invokes sshd? |
| 01:43.24 | dhuv | hmm, still does not explain why the installer failes to format certain partitions in the software raid array |
| 01:43.27 | petemc | buu: huh? |
| 01:43.33 | buu | petemc: Huh what? |
| 01:43.47 | barry | nachoguy did you do an ssh 192.168.0.xxx or to a named host on your network? |
| 01:43.58 | nachoguy | barry: IP address. |
| 01:44.00 | petemc | buu: huh i dont understand your question |
| 01:44.03 | nachoguy | and ping does work |
| 01:44.11 | buu | petemc: Excellent. I don't understand your answer |
| 01:44.15 | Stevie | hahaha |
| 01:44.26 | petemc | buu: fair enough, i wasnt talking to you |
| 01:44.26 | barry | nachoguy does the other box have the sshd daemon running? |
| 01:44.35 | dhuv | does anyone know how I can find out why the installer failed to format a partition? |
| 01:44.45 | nachoguy | barry: yes, I have tried it on many boxes, that I can confim work |
| 01:44.50 | kainam | petemc, thanks |
| 01:45.13 | nachoguy | the issue is with this box sshing out. I think it has something to do with /dev |
| 01:45.17 | petemc | dhuv: it would need to support the underlying hardware |
| 01:45.21 | barry | nachoguy I am stumped sorry. |
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| 01:46.36 | dhuv | petemc: I dont understand how its not supporting it since it detects it, it allows me to create primary partitions as raid, it allows me to configure the software raid, it allows me to create partitions on that software raid, but it only fails to format them |
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| 01:46.47 | dhuv | no real errors, just says failed |
| 01:47.33 | asg | dhuv: ssh -vv (and /msg dpkg sshd debug) |
| 01:47.42 | petemc | dhuv: so you can perform operations on /dev/md0 ? bot create a filesystem? |
| 01:47.47 | asg | dhuv: or /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 01:47.55 | Stevie | 'format'? |
| 01:47.56 | Stevie | you mean mfks? |
| 01:47.58 | Stevie | mkfs |
| 01:48.00 | gartt | Is there a drop-down console that you can use while playing a full-screen game or something similar? |
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| 01:48.10 | gartt | While waiting to respawn, etc? |
| 01:48.18 | barry | nachoguy try ssh with the -v option for verbose debugging info maybe that will help you see what is wrong. |
| 01:48.21 | buu | gartt: Use a real window manager. |
| 01:48.29 | petemc | Stevie: format is acceptable parlance for creating filesystems |
| 01:48.32 | gartt | buu: Understood |
| 01:48.43 | dhuv | asg: I dont have a problem with sshd |
| 01:49.10 | nachoguy | barry: ssh -vvv isn't of much help, but strace tells me it can't read /dev/tty despite the fact that it exists, and is 666 |
| 01:49.16 | asg | dhuv: my mistake |
| 01:49.17 | dhuv | petemc: I am only in the installation, using the installer, I can do everything upto the formatting, then it fails |
| 01:49.30 | Stevie | anything in dmesg? |
| 01:49.32 | dhuv | asg: no worries |
| 01:50.02 | nachoguy | nope |
| 01:51.19 | Stevie | dhuv: anything in dmesg? |
| 01:51.30 | Stevie | nachoguy: can't *read* /dev/tty ? |
| 01:51.35 | Stevie | or can't *open* /dev/tty ? |
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| 01:51.56 | nachoguy | can't open |
| 01:52.00 | dhuv | Stevie: I am in the debian installer, its in the middle of the install |
| 01:52.04 | dhuv | do I have dmesg? |
| 01:52.05 | Stevie | and it actually says EPERM? |
| 01:52.08 | Stevie | dhuv: alt+f4 |
| 01:52.10 | petemc | dhuv: alt + 4 |
| 01:52.12 | petemc | f4 |
| 01:52.20 | petemc | :) |
| 01:52.29 | barry | nachoguy my /dev/tty is pointing at major/minor device numbers 5 and 0 is yours setup that way? |
| 01:52.29 | nachoguy | open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENXIO (No such device or address) |
| 01:52.29 | dhuv | petemc: I will try that when I get upto that part again |
| 01:52.35 | dhuv | its going to take me some time :) |
| 01:52.39 | nachoguy | barry: yes it is |
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| 01:52.54 | Stevie | nachoguy: note that the error is NOT a permissions problem |
| 01:53.26 | Stevie | there's no /dev/tty device |
| 01:53.45 | nachoguy | I have one |
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| 01:53.52 | Stevie | no you don't |
| 01:54.01 | Stevie | (what makes you think that you do?) |
| 01:54.11 | nachoguy | ls -la /dev/tty |
| 01:54.19 | nachoguy | crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 Mar 22 20:51 tty |
| 01:54.23 | Stevie | that is not a device. that is a file that programs use to communicate with a device. |
| 01:54.45 | nachoguy | ok |
| 01:54.59 | Stevie | For example, cloning /dev/hda would not give me a new hard drive, doubling my available space |
| 01:55.09 | nachoguy | true |
| 01:55.21 | Stevie | the error you're getting is that the device that /dev/tty would normally communicate with, doesn't exist |
| 01:55.54 | barry | Stevie how does he fix it? |
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| 01:56.48 | buu | I'm guessing "ls" |
| 01:58.01 | Stevie | 1817 if (!current->signal->tty) { |
| 01:58.01 | Stevie | 1818 up(&tty_sem); |
| 01:58.01 | Stevie | 1819 return -ENXIO; |
| 01:58.01 | Stevie | 1820 } |
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| 01:58.19 | Stevie | oops |
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| 01:58.47 | Stevie | you know, it is possible to make it TOO easy to copy a pile of lines of text to your clipboard |
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| 01:59.56 | asg | Stevie: I don't think 'copy' was the problem there ;) |
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| 02:01.18 | Stevie | http://www.promethos.org/lxr/http/source/drivers/char/tty_io.c#L2046 |
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| 02:01.39 | slinn | what creates core files? |
| 02:01.51 | zinx | slinn: the kernel |
| 02:01.52 | buu | slinn: segfaults! |
| 02:01.58 | buu | Actually, not really =[ |
| 02:02.01 | dhuv | petemc: so I got the message again "The ReiserFS file system creation in partition #2 of RAID5 device #0 failed.". The Alt + F4 has not updated, the last line is "Apr 8 02:04:46 main-menu[525]: DEBUG: virtual package harddirve-detection" |
| 02:02.35 | slinn | they are showing up in odd directories in my $HOME/* - what does this mean? |
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| 02:03.47 | barry | slinn when a program terminates in an error then the memory is dumped into a file named core. This enables post problem debugging. but usually pepole just delete these files. |
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| 02:04.17 | asg | lilo: what constitutes an 'unlawful activity'? Does that cover Texas only, the US, or the World? Not being coy but there is some ambiguity there. |
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| 02:04.32 | slinn | barry, ahh, k thanks |
| 02:04.41 | asg | lilo: ah, okay (RE: the last wallop) |
| 02:04.54 | slinn | how can i see what program created the core file? :) |
| 02:05.11 | ShadowJK | file core |
| 02:05.33 | barry | slinn you can run the gdb debugger program (see the gdb man page about using core files) |
| 02:05.38 | Firestarter | anyone know what I need in my sources.list to install amule |
| 02:05.52 | asg | Firestarter: /msg dpkg amule |
| 02:06.05 | Firestarter | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.14 | asg | s/^ // |
| 02:06.29 | barry | slinn it is not usually too valuable unless you are the developer of the offending program and can utilize the source code in conjuction with the debug core dump to evaluate where the problem occured. |
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| 02:07.13 | dhuv | petemc: Alt + F3 gives something |
| 02:08.05 | slinn | barry: ok, yeah... cause core files have shown up in some of my ruby development directories, and i wanted to know if it was my scripts that were making them |
| 02:08.45 | dhuv | I am getting "/sbin/tine2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/md/0p2 Couldn't find value filesystem superblock/" |
| 02:08.56 | dhuv | I created a new md in the installer |
| 02:09.04 | dhuv | anybody have any ideas why its saying this? |
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| 02:10.50 | Davey | How can I force the removal of a broken package? |
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| 02:12.15 | dhuv | after I cofigure software raid, do I need to configure the logical volume manager? |
| 02:12.21 | dhuv | or is that optional |
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| 02:13.35 | cheal | Davey: # apt-get remove foo; ? |
| 02:13.47 | Davey | yes, that's failing |
| 02:13.58 | Davey | http://pastebin.com/647237 |
| 02:14.08 | barry | Davey dpkg -r --force package |
| 02:14.58 | liable | dhuv: you dont have to create lvm if you dont want it. |
| 02:14.59 | Davey | barry: that just gives me a help text |
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| 02:15.29 | Davey | barry: like this, right? |
| 02:15.30 | Davey | $ dpkg -r --force arson |
| 02:15.30 | Davey | dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `arson' |
| 02:15.51 | dhuv | liable: thanks |
| 02:16.26 | deoryp_ | hello all, i was wondering if anyone has any tips for getting wireless to work on a labtop using a 2011B intel card |
| 02:16.26 | barry | Davey try dpkg --force -r arson |
| 02:16.40 | cheal | Davey: the package's postrm script is not working |
| 02:16.45 | Davey | same thing |
| 02:16.51 | Davey | cheal: I got that. What can I do about it? |
| 02:17.20 | cheal | Davey: what version is it? |
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| 02:17.38 | Davey | cheal: of the package? |
| 02:17.48 | cheal | Davey: yes |
| 02:17.57 | Davey | How do I find out? :/ |
| 02:18.13 | peterS | Davey: the hacky thing to do is edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postrm to change #!/bin/sh -e to #!/bin/sh, or remove the 'set -e' near the top. that way dpkg won't detect errors in the postinst and will believe there weren't any |
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| 02:18.21 | cheal | Davey: $ dpkg -l arsonl |
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| 02:18.31 | madona | \join #jsf |
| 02:18.32 | cheal | Davey: s/arsonl/arson |
| 02:18.42 | Davey | peterS: and is that likely to break things? |
| 02:19.02 | Davey | cheal: 0.9.8beta2-4 |
| 02:19.04 | peterS | Davey: your question is too vague. it all depends on *why* the postinst is failing, and whether that points to breakage anywhere else |
| 02:19.13 | Davey | peterS: OK :) |
| 02:19.42 | JeffH | I just installed courier-imap. and then configured my e-mail client to use imap to get my e-mail. It fails and in /var/log/syslog I see a line that says 'imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED' How do I find out what is wrong? |
| 02:19.47 | deoryp_ | i have the spectrum24_CF bundle |
| 02:20.04 | deoryp_ | but the package does not have a Makefile |
| 02:20.12 | asg | JeffH: look in /var/log/auth.log also |
| 02:20.15 | cheal | Davey: there's no general answer to your question that wouldn't require investigation |
| 02:20.24 | Davey | cheal: I see |
| 02:20.44 | Davey | cheal: I figured seeing as I was removing it anyhow, it the postrm script won't be that important :) |
| 02:20.56 | spoopin | asg: 'sup |
| 02:21.01 | asg | spoopin: hiya |
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| 02:21.23 | Davey | hah! it just suddenly worked. |
| 02:21.25 | Davey | weird. |
| 02:21.30 | spoopin | asg: no abrotman tonight? |
| 02:21.31 | Davey | Well, thanks for your help guys :) |
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| 02:21.40 | peterS | Davey: I mean there's a reason dpkg stops dead when something causes an error. because it *might* be important. a lot of times it's not, though. |
| 02:21.47 | peterS | ah, missed 'im |
| 02:21.49 | asg | spoopin: haven't seen him; probably gorging himself on beer and cheesesteaks |
| 02:21.50 | deoryp_ | haha |
| 02:22.15 | spoopin | asg: ...wish I were |
| 02:22.31 | asg | spoopin: well, I've got 1 out of 2 |
| 02:22.37 | JeffH | asg: I don't see anything in auth.log related to imap. |
| 02:22.37 | peterS | he's in philly, they have a good supply of both there |
| 02:22.42 | spoopin | asg: I did have a leftover Guinness with dinner :) thanks |
| 02:22.43 | deoryp_ | ... anyone want to take a stab at wireless problems? |
| 02:22.49 | cheal | asg: didn't you hear? abrotman is gone to Gentoo. |
| 02:22.51 | asg | spoopin: whoohoo! |
| 02:23.02 | asg | cheal: haha |
| 02:23.10 | peterS | cheal: do they allow those umbrella hats in gentoo? |
| 02:23.17 | asg | or cakebutts? |
| 02:23.18 | pixolet | deoryp_ sure, why not. what about it? |
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| 02:23.48 | cheal | peterS: I don't know about umbrella hats. are they optimal? |
| 02:23.50 | deoryp_ | pixolet: oh boy! ok... i am trying to get an intel 2011B card working |
| 02:24.00 | ricochet | so how does one get sendmail/procmail to place mail in a format (Maildir) and dir of one's choosing? I'm trying to setup dovecot (default deb install) |
| 02:24.04 | asg | cheal: they aren't on abrotman |
| 02:24.07 | peterS | cheal: you can get one optimized for your own head |
| 02:24.33 | deoryp_ | pixolet: i read that the spectrum24_CF works |
| 02:24.33 | barry | nachoguy did Stevie ever come up with an answer to your /dev/tty problem? |
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| 02:24.46 | cheal | peterS: but not for abrotman's? |
| 02:24.48 | deoryp_ | pixolet: but when i untar it, it does not have a Makefile |
| 02:24.52 | nachoguy | barry: he found the cause, but I've got no solution yet |
| 02:25.02 | peterS | cheal: I think he might have just gotten a stage 3 one rather than assemble it himself |
| 02:25.09 | cheal | asg: I suppose abrotman's head is bigger than an umbrella? |
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| 02:25.31 | asg | spoopin: I closed the TAC port btw and took care of the moodle-test instance (and your account on said instance also) |
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| 02:25.46 | cheal | peterS: stage 3...is that a reference to Gentoo stuff? |
| 02:25.51 | asg | cheal: could be, could be |
| 02:26.10 | peterS | cheal: yes. the gentoo install process lets you 'cheat' if you want by pulling down pre-built binaries and *not* rebuilding them |
| 02:26.16 | barry | nachoguy I never knew that the system made special files with anything but mknod. I always thought that these device files were merely ways to connect to kernel drivers through the device numbers. |
| 02:26.19 | deoryp_ | pixolet: so... any idea why they would have tar-ed up a nothing useful? |
| 02:26.24 | asg | cheal: you have to optimize at stage 1 |
| 02:26.25 | peterS | cheal: stage 1 means you build everything yourself, stage 2 and stage 3 less so |
| 02:26.27 | spoopin | asg: groovus. I saw where Dennis got in. He called me on the way home.. |
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| 02:26.40 | asg | spoopin: yeah, generated a 230K logfile |
| 02:26.42 | cheal | peterS: OK |
| 02:26.58 | peterS | cheal: by stage 3 you're downloading *gasp* binary packages! for everything! |
| 02:26.59 | deoryp_ | pixolet: i also and getting this thing called orinoco |
| 02:26.59 | pixolet | deoryp_: not really, so i'm dling it to take a look myself |
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| 02:27.20 | asg | peterS: basically Debian with libc6-686 |
| 02:27.25 | deoryp_ | pixolet: it has a make file but it will not run because it can;t find the kernel path |
| 02:27.30 | barry | nachoguy I guess things really changed when they went from the 2.4 kernel to the 2.6 kernel and the new udev system. |
| 02:27.32 | spoopin | asg: Yep. We should look at it. Seems that screen dumped the motd out on the cmdline... |
| 02:27.40 | cheal | peterS: well, abrotman has been a Debain luser for years, no surprise if he's stage 3 |
| 02:27.50 | pixolet | deoryp_ but until i managed to get an atheros card, i was stuck using ndiswrapper |
| 02:28.04 | kane__ | I am at my friend's debian box -- I know freebsd but I need some help with debian |
| 02:28.09 | asg | spoopin: the motd it dumped was the ssh banner I created. |
| 02:28.10 | pixolet | deoryp_: have you installed the kernel-headers? |
| 02:28.10 | peterS | cheal: yeah, I gather in gentoo circles people are embarrassed to admit they didn't have the time or inclination or fortitude or brass balls to do a stage 1 everywhere |
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| 02:28.20 | JeffH | so how do I find out why the authentication for imap failed? |
| 02:28.35 | kane__ | We need to compile a kernel (or just the right modules) to read apple partition tables and mount hfs+ volumes |
| 02:28.41 | spoopin | asg: right... uhhh ... that's what I meant, I think ;) |
| 02:28.44 | deoryp_ | pixolet hum, i guess not if i did not alreayd have them |
| 02:28.47 | peterS | cheal: like "so I did a stage 3 install (it's just a temporary system, didn't really need to optimize it!) and..." |
| 02:28.47 | kane__ | is there an "apt" package I could retrieve to get the kernel source? |
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| 02:29.03 | spoopin | asg: you're 'piss off' in no uncertain terms. |
| 02:29.03 | asg | JeffH: if the authentication is any way involved with PAM, add a 'debug' statement to the end of the lines int eh /etc/pam.d/imap file |
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| 02:29.27 | spoopin | asg: 'you're'... my wife would kill me if she saw that. |
| 02:29.28 | asg | spoopin: my evil "you're being monitored" language? |
| 02:29.47 | spoopin | asg: yep. |
| 02:30.01 | asg | spoopin: actually, that's George's. I just took it from what's on the switches. |
| 02:30.02 | cheal | peterS: hehe. stage 0 is still the best though. if you can't do LFS, you're not worth using Linux |
| 02:30.09 | JeffH | sag: there's 4 lines in that file, add debug to the end of each line? |
| 02:30.12 | asg | !cheal++ |
| 02:30.25 | cheal | asg: thanks! :) |
| 02:30.36 | asg | JeffH: that should do it. |
| 02:30.45 | peterS | yeah I think gentoobies do have a bit of envy for people who did the LFS thing |
| 02:30.50 | spoopin | asg: Thought it looked familiar. He got the tagging to work this afternoon... |
| 02:31.03 | asg | spoopin: yeah, that's what he said |
| 02:31.13 | asg | spoopin: the firmware was being silly apparently |
| 02:31.22 | spoopin | asg: I'm good on my end too, so we're in business there.. |
| 02:31.45 | asg | spoopin: sweet. |
| 02:32.15 | spoopin | asg: can you email the names of those two servers? |
| 02:32.16 | asg | cheal: :) |
| 02:32.36 | barry | peterS are you using gentoo linux? |
| 02:32.37 | asg | spoopin: the VMWare ones? |
| 02:32.44 | peterS | barry: never touched the stuff |
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| 02:32.56 | spoopin | asg: yep. they'll be ready to Marcus on Monday... |
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| 02:33.20 | asg | spoopin: let's hold off on that. I need to talk to Ken and David to find out what they want. |
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| 02:33.36 | peterS | heya, enveezee |
| 02:33.46 | asg | !give nvz a nasty breakfast burrito |
| 02:33.46 | dpkg | give nvz a nasty breakfast burrito |
| 02:33.54 | unstable | !asg |
| 02:33.54 | dpkg | somebody said asg was asg, or sick and fucking tired |
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| 02:34.07 | spoopin | asg: Cool. I just wanted a name for the display and config file. I'll make one up :) |
| 02:34.08 | barry | peterS I used to like gentoo in 2004 but since the founder left, it has gone down hill really fast. Almost everything is broken in the new gentoo-2006.0 release. That is why I switched to debian last night. |
| 02:34.16 | yassine | is there any xorg package for debian ? |
| 02:34.18 | nvz | out of like 15 plugs I pull the one that counts.. and the pc goes off |
| 02:34.25 | JeffH | asg: does anything need to be restarted? I added it and tried connecting to the imap server and still get the same messages. |
| 02:34.26 | spoopin | barry: welcome |
| 02:34.29 | unstable | yassine: xserver-xorg |
| 02:34.29 | asg | !asg is also bob2 used to say he was the King of Pun |
| 02:34.30 | dpkg | okay, asg |
| 02:34.38 | peterS | barry: ahhh, when did daniel robbins leave? was that last year? |
| 02:35.03 | asg | spoopin: then use CCE-ACT for the ACT one and Bizhub for the other |
| 02:35.04 | barry | peterS yes about the beginning of 2005 |
| 02:35.19 | gartt | Then he left Microsoft |
| 02:35.21 | asg | peterS: he wen't to work for Microsoft |
| 02:35.33 | peterS | I knew he went to work for Microsoft, didn't know he'd left |
| 02:35.34 | asg | peterS: but he's since quit that job |
| 02:35.37 | peterS | I mean left Microsoft |
| 02:35.46 | yassine | unstable, sorry but i can not finde it apt-get install x-server-xorg says : E: Couldn't find package x-server-xorg |
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| 02:35.53 | gartt | peterS: yeah, he found it too bureaucratic or something |
| 02:35.55 | barry | asg What a shame (he went to work for Microsoft) |
| 02:36.02 | asg | peterS: yeah, the environment wasn't too good |
| 02:36.09 | pixolet | yassine try xserver-xorg |
| 02:36.12 | gartt | barry: The guy has to make money :P |
| 02:36.13 | asg | barry: he went, he left. |
| 02:36.15 | TraceGreen | hello, i have a squashfs file hello.fs, how can i extract it ? |
| 02:36.21 | spoopin | asg: no GardenWeasel? |
| 02:36.24 | deoryp_ | pixolet: thanks, i gtg, i will look into this ndis stuff |
| 02:36.27 | gartt | And there's nothing wrong with good software, no matter who makes it. If it's good |
| 02:36.38 | unstable | yassine: There is no xorg if you are using sarge(stable) |
| 02:36.47 | asg | spoopin: sadly no. I'd go with chocolatesaltyballs |
| 02:36.48 | yassine | pixolet, i get the smae error |
| 02:36.50 | unstable | yassine: Are you using your computer for a production server, or for a desktop? |
| 02:36.54 | TraceGreen | i check mksquashfs manual, it seems just creat squashfs, how can i extract squashfs? |
| 02:37.01 | spoopin | asg: you shouldn't have said that... |
| 02:37.03 | yassine | unstable, its a laptop |
| 02:37.15 | asg | spoopin: o/~ put 'em in your mouth o/~ |
| 02:37.15 | unstable | yassine: You should upgrade to testing. |
| 02:37.16 | barry | asg It just seems so contrary to the whole Open Source Mantra to switch to Microsoft (google maybe) |
| 02:37.37 | peterS | for me, I don't feel comfortable with mantras anyway |
| 02:37.38 | asg | barry: he went to be an OSS liason or somesuch. Decided that they didn't care and left. |
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| 02:37.58 | yassine | unstable, adding unstable to my source.list ?? |
| 02:38.05 | unstable | yassine: not unstable, testing. |
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| 02:38.14 | asg | peterS: ummm num sheby |
| 02:38.16 | barry | peterS Ok I am off of my soap box now. |
| 02:38.44 | yassine | unstable, okay thanks ill give it a try |
| 02:38.45 | unstable | yassine: Change the instances of "sarge" or "stable" to "etch" or "testing" |
| 02:39.02 | spoopin | asg: haha. TOD reference. |
| 02:39.08 | asg | !spoopin++ |
| 02:39.09 | spoopin | asg: 'We walk from here' |
| 02:39.15 | pixolet | deoryp_: what does it say when it fails? |
| 02:39.49 | asg | spoopin: heh |
| 02:39.54 | unstable | yassine: You should upgrade your kernel first, then reboot. So udev works. yassine after you change your sources.list and apt-get update... type "apt-get install linux-image-2.6* |
| 02:39.55 | petemc | barry: can you define the open source mantra? |
| 02:40.05 | unstable | yassine: whatever you are using, 686/smp etc |
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| 02:40.19 | spoopin | asg: '!spoopin++' Is that some sort of points system? |
| 02:40.32 | barry | petemc You know Microsoft is EVIL and open source is GOOD! |
| 02:40.35 | asg | spoopin: yeah, the old 'karma' system. It may, or may not, be working |
| 02:40.38 | peterS | barry: right, right, right |
| 02:40.46 | nvz | dpkg, karma nvz |
| 02:40.46 | dpkg | nvz has karma of 9 |
| 02:40.48 | ikks | Hi, I'm on etch amd64, python2.3_2.3.5-9.1_amd64.deb |
| 02:40.51 | petemc | barry: that doesnt answer my question.. |
| 02:40.54 | ikks | when I try to install that package |
| 02:41.00 | asg | spoopin: during my 'primetime' period on this channel, it was broken so I have no to little karma |
| 02:41.01 | unstable | !tell ikks about ask |
| 02:41.02 | ikks | the postinst gets stuck |
| 02:41.09 | asg | !karma asg |
| 02:41.09 | dpkg | asg has karma of 9 |
| 02:41.14 | spoopin | asg: Sad. |
| 02:41.20 | spoopin | !karma spoopin |
| 02:41.20 | dpkg | spoopin has karma of 1 |
| 02:41.22 | asg | spoopin: it's only IRC, no biggie |
| 02:41.27 | ikks | for example |
| 02:41.32 | ikks | dpkg -i --force-all -D4422 /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3_2.3.5-9.1_amd64.deb |
| 02:41.40 | unstable | !tell ikks about es |
| 02:41.42 | siimo | ikks, alot of stuff in etch 64 is broken for me |
| 02:41.45 | asg | !karma greycat |
| 02:41.46 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 02:41.53 | spoopin | asg: You never know. IRC may be the metric by which your soul is judged. |
| 02:41.55 | unstable | !karma unstable |
| 02:41.55 | dpkg | unstable has neutral karma |
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| 02:42.06 | ikks | gives nothing even on logs. |
| 02:42.08 | asg | spoopin: that's fine if the damn system worked consistently |
| 02:42.28 | ikks | I tried apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 02:42.32 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does Debian kernel have squashfs patch? |
| 02:42.36 | ikks | would it be better to try to go to python2.4? |
| 02:42.38 | TraceGreen | or, how can i know it. |
| 02:42.40 | barry | spoopin Do you know a lot about sound problems? |
| 02:42.42 | JeffH | asg: adding 'debug' to the end of the lines didn't seem to change it's behavior at all. |
| 02:42.48 | spoopin | asg: Ha. I just realized I still have a window open on #openbsd |
| 02:43.06 | slinn | how would i rename a directory? |
| 02:43.07 | Luck | anyway to make my icons smaller? |
| 02:43.10 | asg | JeffH: just an option. If that isn't showing anything, then I don't know |
| 02:43.13 | asg | slinn: mv(1) |
| 02:43.22 | asg | spoopin: hahaha, nice |
| 02:43.23 | Luck | with gnome |
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| 02:43.39 | ikks | siimo also pyhton2.3 broken on your system? |
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| 02:43.49 | spoopin | barry: Not really anymore. I'm lucky. My stuff just works :) |
| 02:43.57 | ikks | unstable logs says 2006-04-07 21:44:40 status half-configured python2.3 2.3.5-9.1 |
| 02:44.00 | siimo | ikks, i dont know now but i upgraded to sid cause a lot of things were broken for me on etch |
| 02:44.10 | ikks | D000002: fork/exec /var/lib/dpkg/info/python2.3.postinst ( configure 2.3.5-8 ) |
| 02:44.10 | ikks | Compiling python modules in /usr/lib/python2.3 ... |
| 02:44.20 | asg | ikks: if you are running sid, your first stop will be the BTS |
| 02:44.29 | unstable | http://pastebin.com/647269 |
| 02:44.34 | unstable | hehe, look what I did to my laptop for fun |
| 02:44.37 | ikks | and past 24 hours I don't look any advance :( |
| 02:44.37 | barry | spoopin who would know about why my debian kde sound has a 1/2 second delay from when the sound is supposed to play? |
| 02:44.45 | ikks | nope, running etch asg. |
| 02:44.46 | asg | barry: try #debian-kde |
| 02:44.46 | unstable | A curses dialogue came up and said "DO NOT DO THIS" so I did it. |
| 02:45.02 | Stevie | hahaha |
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| 02:45.03 | asg | ikks: still worth a look though, some bugs do creep in |
| 02:45.05 | barry | asg cool |
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| 02:45.33 | ikks | thks asg |
| 02:45.50 | asg | ikks: you're welcome. |
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| 02:46.14 | asg | spoopin: talked to K tonight, he sounded pretty good |
| 02:46.16 | unstable | I'm running my system with the kernel completely removed from the hdd, and all the modules also. And everything works perfect. |
| 02:46.39 | petemc | !win unstable |
| 02:46.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, unstable! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:46.41 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 02:47.13 | asg | wtf are shabbos? |
| 02:47.16 | nachoguy | that's nice, just don't reboot |
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| 02:47.51 | esk | nachoguy: he still has 2.6.16 installed |
| 02:48.05 | nachoguy | that takes all the fun out of it |
| 02:48.30 | spoopin | asg: cool. I need to call him tomorrow. I guess the test went well.. |
| 02:48.39 | sussudio | asg: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2122656.html |
| 02:48.41 | asg | spoopin: if it didn't, he wasn't letting on. |
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| 02:49.05 | asg | sussudio: is that the one about the Demonic Rabbit in Felton? |
| 02:49.10 | sussudio | asg: it is. |
| 02:49.21 | spoopin | asg: quite. probably worrying over nothing. You know how he can be.. |
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| 02:49.30 | asg | sussudio: yeah, that's a meme that's working its way all over the world |
| 02:49.35 | sussudio | bunneh! |
| 02:49.36 | Thanatermesis | how i can know the changelog's of the packages ? |
| 02:49.37 | asg | sussudio: *nod* |
| 02:49.38 | Stevie | Daemonic Rabbit? |
| 02:49.51 | asg | sussudio: teh bunneh, wif big pointy teeth |
| 02:50.01 | ontehline22 | ok, a big problem, I installed debian stable with net install, got connected, and did apt-get install x-window-system-core kde, and when I did start X kde went up but I was looking at like a corner of my screen,a nd it looked like it was running on 6-bit colour...it was terrible, what could have went wrong??? |
| 02:50.02 | Stevie | Cities has those |
| 02:50.05 | ontehline22 | A video setting? |
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| 02:50.56 | asg | o/~ and St. Attila raised the holy hand grenade on high saying "Oh lord, bless this thy holy hand grenade" o/~ |
| 02:50.58 | alexscott | too, Evite d'appuyer trop frequemment sur entree c'est chiant a lire :/ |
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| 02:51.28 | ontehline22 | can anyone help me? |
| 02:51.28 | Stevie | Evite puts on too frequently on entrees is something to books? |
| 02:51.28 | alexscott | bad window sorry |
| 02:51.31 | nick|here | j #debian.tr |
| 02:51.36 | nick|here | oops sory |
| 02:51.44 | JeffH | is there a pam related room here? |
| 02:51.56 | Stevie | pam dumped me |
| 02:51.58 | spoopin | ontehline22: did you try #debian-kde? might be help there.... |
| 02:52.22 | asg | JeffH: not really. Which IMAP server did you install? |
| 02:53.27 | ricochet | can someone help me with sendmail/procmail interactions? I want procmail to deliver mail somewhere other than /var/mail/user, and I want it in Maildir format instead of mbox... |
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| 02:53.42 | Thanatermesis | how i can know the changelog's of the packages ? |
| 02:54.01 | JeffH | asg: courier-imap |
| 02:54.14 | asg | ricochet: that's pretty early in the procmail manpages (man procmailex) |
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| 02:54.31 | petemc | Thanatermesis: /usr/share/doc/package/ |
| 02:54.50 | ricochet | asg, oh, thanks, didnt see that manpage |
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| 02:55.29 | asg | JeffH: okay, #courier is the official channel for that. However, which users are you trying to authenticate? Ones in /etc/passwd or virtual users? |
| 02:56.11 | Thanatermesis | oh |
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| 02:57.02 | asg | Thanatermesis: one of the nice things about Debian is that each package installs some docs (if not a lot) in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 02:57.10 | m0dY | hello all, is there a debian for a Intel EMT64 processors? |
| 02:57.12 | roby | How can I do like a full hard drive scan? Like look for bad sectors, etc. |
| 02:57.28 | asg | roby: badblocks(8) |
| 02:57.48 | roby | asg: excellent |
| 02:57.49 | Thanatermesis | yes asg, thanks, i have totally forget this and i have start think'in about the debian/changelog file of the sources pacakges lol |
| 02:57.57 | asg | Thanatermesis: :) |
| 02:58.04 | m0dY | !? |
| 02:58.14 | petemc | asg: no booze on a friday night? |
| 02:58.32 | Thanatermesis | EMT64 is not compatible with amd64 distro's ? |
| 02:58.35 | petemc | yz |
| 02:58.36 | asg | petemc: plenty already, why, no splif? :) |
| 02:58.48 | asg | *spliff |
| 02:58.52 | m0dY | is there a debian for a Intel EMT64 processors? |
| 02:58.53 | petemc | asg: plenty of everything this end :) |
| 02:59.05 | asg | petemc: ah, the way it needs to be |
| 02:59.19 | ontehline22 | Can someone explain to me the difference between x86 and i386? I seem to run i386 fine, so what else can I use?????? |
| 02:59.57 | Thanatermesis | any person knows for where is dated the version of udev with hotplug on it ? |
| 03:00.00 | petemc | asg: yeah, 'cept ive hella work to do, im lookin at 4 hours kip and a 12 hour day tomorrow :9 |
| 03:00.03 | asg | ontehline22: the 'x' in 'x86' is 3,4,5,6 in the same way that ix86 is i{3,4,5,6}86 |
| 03:00.03 | petemc | :( |
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| 03:00.18 | asg | petemc: ouch, not a good weekend then |
| 03:00.22 | ontehline22 | asg: THANKS! |
| 03:00.31 | m0dY | is there a debian for a Intel EMT64 processors? |
| 03:00.40 | m0dY | :( |
| 03:00.42 | peterS | m0dY: it's called debian amd64 |
| 03:00.54 | petemc | asg: full time job + own business == no time for sleep |
| 03:00.57 | peterS | m0dY: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64, it will be official in December |
| 03:01.04 | petemc | + i like to party.. |
| 03:01.09 | m0dY | i know debian-amd64 but will it be compatible for EMT64 ? |
| 03:01.11 | asg | petemc: I understand :) |
| 03:01.15 | petemc | :) |
| 03:01.25 | petemc | m0dY: it is aye |
| 03:02.08 | peterS | m0dY: the em64t is an amd64 clone, so yeah. (yes, it's funny to think of Intel making AMD clones, but it's true) |
| 03:02.12 | asg | spoopin: looks like it's working up to be a stormy night |
| 03:02.31 | ikks | m0dY read http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 03:02.40 | spoopin | asg: pretty quiet here - you looking at the news? |
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| 03:02.43 | asg | spoopin: I expect north will start bitching in a few hours |
| 03:02.49 | asg | spoopin: yeah |
| 03:03.18 | spoopin | asg: as long as it doesn't knock my connection out. I'm prepped for tomorrow morning... |
| 03:03.52 | asg | spoopin: cool. I'll be online early so if you need anything, I'll be available. |
| 03:04.08 | asg | spoopin: did you hear back from David |
| 03:04.13 | spoopin | asg: Thanks. Hopefully I'll just be a lot of waiting. |
| 03:04.37 | asg | spoopin: no need to wait when you have ^a + d |
| 03:05.03 | spoopin | asg: No, but Laura thinks it's alright to go ahead. He knew we were looking at tomorrow.. |
| 03:05.16 | spoopin | asg: ^a + d? |
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| 03:05.36 | asg | spoopin: ctrl+a+d (screen detach) |
| 03:05.42 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:06.23 | spoopin | asg: Ah. Yes. Didn't understand your notation. |
| 03:06.32 | asg | spoopin: my bad |
| 03:06.51 | Daveman | roflcopter. |
| 03:07.04 | spoopin | asg: I'm packing it in... talk to you tomorrow? |
| 03:07.13 | petemc | roflcopter? |
| 03:07.19 | petemc | thats a new one to me |
| 03:07.22 | asg | Daveman: roflcopter == some late 80s attempt to revive break dancing? |
| 03:07.25 | asg | spoopin: cool, talk later |
| 03:07.37 | Thanatermesis | how to recover a /var/lib/dpkg/info/xxxx file delete ? |
| 03:07.43 | Thanatermesis | deleted* |
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| 03:08.50 | peterS | Thanatermesis: reinstall the package in question |
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| 03:09.01 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 03:09.07 | asg | bug |
| 03:09.30 | Thanatermesis | in some part... i have deleted it because has blocked my apt/dpkg system, hehe |
| 03:09.38 | Thanatermesis | but i don't remember now what exactly |
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| 03:11.38 | Stevie | holy crap |
| 03:11.48 | Stevie | I just found the (C)hangelog feature in aptitude |
| 03:11.48 | nachoguy | ? |
| 03:11.51 | Stevie | that's freaking awesome |
| 03:12.04 | *** part/#debian Daveman (n=dave@pool-141-150-42-151.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:12.33 | asg | Stevie: that's better than finding a used condom under the couch that isn't yours |
| 03:13.03 | petemc | or a poke in the eye with a blunt stick |
| 03:13.04 | Stevie | That is absolutely true, seeing as how I'm the only resident in my apartment |
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| 03:13.35 | Stevie | And the only other person with a set of keys is my mom |
| 03:13.47 | peterS | ewwwwww |
| 03:13.48 | asg | O_o |
| 03:13.49 | zomi | Hi guys |
| 03:13.59 | zomi | people |
| 03:14.00 | asg | zomi: some of us are cats and girls |
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| 03:14.04 | Stevie | wait |
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| 03:14.09 | Stevie | asg: really? |
| 03:14.11 | Stevie | who's the girl? |
| 03:14.21 | peterS | "the girl", heh |
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| 03:14.48 | nvz | :P |
| 03:14.51 | asg | Stevie: that's where you get to lurk and do statistical analysis ;) The cats are easy to spot though |
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| 03:15.43 | peterS | hmmm, how many cats do we have? haven't seen greycat in quite some time |
| 03:15.58 | peterS | deadcat still lives |
| 03:15.59 | asg | peterS: he's in -ot and #bash. |
| 03:16.03 | petemc | !fable |
| 03:16.04 | dpkg | somebody said fable was http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 03:16.11 | asg | peterS: you have Shadowcat and a few others also |
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| 03:17.07 | macka | hey |
| 03:17.09 | macka | how do I put the windows drivers for my printer onto my linux print server so that windows picks them up automagically? |
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| 03:17.35 | asg | macka: www.oreilly.com/openbook (the 2nd edition of Using Samba covers that) |
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| 03:18.31 | supadupa | hehe automagically I like that |
| 03:18.40 | snadge | what happened to my "run" command in gnome? its gone :/ |
| 03:19.15 | macka | asg: thanks, looking at it now. |
| 03:19.19 | unstable | snadge: That's impossible. |
| 03:19.24 | unstable | snadge: Are you not running sarge? |
| 03:19.39 | unstable | snadge: If you are running testing/unstable anything is possible. |
| 03:20.16 | snadge | i'm running sid of course ;) |
| 03:20.38 | snadge | why else would i be joining the debian irc and bitching about it ;) |
| 03:20.56 | petemc | snadge: lack of a social life? |
| 03:21.08 | peterS | snadge: you'd be surprised how many non-sid users we get in here. non-debian users, even. |
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| 03:21.15 | snadge | how did you know i work for ibm? |
| 03:21.24 | petemc | zing! |
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| 03:22.51 | asg | pete{mc,rS}: night, batteries running low |
| 03:23.07 | petemc | :) |
| 03:23.15 | petemc | g'night |
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| 03:23.37 | macka | asg: can't find it anywhere.... |
| 03:23.51 | peterS | see ya asg |
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| 03:24.19 | snadge | i might just run apt-get upgrade and blow away my gnome settings.. maybe that will restore my run command, and get rid of the error message i get when i login |
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| 03:28.02 | Stevie | 7032KB/sec |
| 03:28.22 | Stevie | woo. |
| 03:29.56 | petemc | Stevie: home or colo? |
| 03:30.07 | Nihilanth | :o |
| 03:30.51 | Stevie | home :D |
| 03:30.59 | Stevie | through 2 100mb switches |
| 03:31.40 | petemc | http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/faster.jpg |
| 03:32.20 | Stevie | !klibido |
| 03:32.39 | petemc | usenet client, good for binary shiz |
| 03:32.41 | Stevie | ah |
| 03:32.53 | Stevie | PAR is freaking awesome,a in't it |
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| 03:33.17 | Stevie | btw |
| 03:33.23 | petemc | i mostly use par2, but its good at what it does, aye |
| 03:33.29 | Stevie | that's one hell of a connection |
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| 03:33.56 | Stevie | par, par2, it's all the same algorithm |
| 03:34.03 | petemc | its only supposed to be 10meg, but thats the isps nntp server, and sometimes.. |
| 03:34.10 | Stevie | haha |
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| 03:37.20 | Hamled | are there any sites that have information on standard practices for producing builds and documentation etc. for open source projects? |
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| 03:39.10 | petemc | Hamled: different projects have different standards, a lot of larger projects have what you describe |
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| 03:39.52 | Hamled | I just want to do it in some way that masks that I don't have any idea what I'm doing :) |
| 03:40.12 | Stevie | anyway, petemc: I'm ftping a dvd image from my Windows machine -> high capacity storage on deb box |
| 03:40.18 | petemc | first intention, then enlightenment |
| 03:41.09 | Hamled | well, I suppose my project doesn't have a lot of the same requirements as the majority of projects out there, and thankfully it's quite a bit simpler |
| 03:41.15 | Stevie | i've used enlightenment. what kind of wm is intention? |
| 03:41.25 | Hamled | :) |
| 03:41.26 | petemc | v basic |
| 03:41.35 | petemc | infantile |
| 03:41.38 | Hamled | hmm... I wonder if E17 is getting anywhere |
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| 03:43.30 | Stevie | peterrooney: ;-) |
| 03:43.33 | Stevie | err |
| 03:43.34 | Stevie | petemc |
| 03:43.39 | petemc | :) |
| 03:43.49 | petemc | rooney is another irish name |
| 03:44.40 | petemc | ermm.. |
| 03:44.59 | petemc | bed, perhaps |
| 03:45.48 | pixolet | only if you put someone else to sleep ;) |
| 03:46.53 | petemc | if there was anyone else here, id glady send them sleepwards, alas, i live alone |
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| 03:49.04 | petemc | as per.. http://flickr.com/photos/petemc/114838485/ |
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| 03:50.58 | pixolet | that's pretty cool, do you run the sound system through a computer as well? |
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| 03:51.38 | petemc | i have a lead that yakes 3.5mm into the amp, aye |
| 03:51.42 | petemc | takes |
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| 03:52.20 | pixolet | seeing that powerbook makes me want to get mine running again |
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| 03:52.59 | petemc | its broken? |
| 03:53.40 | pixolet | yea, the screen is really dark, i think it's the inverter |
| 03:54.39 | pixolet | but seeing as how it's been on the shelf for a few months now, i'm not sure if i'm really going to use it |
| 03:55.00 | petemc | i have a love/hate relationship with my powerbook |
| 03:55.05 | pixolet | (i went back to my ol' thinkpad after it broke) |
| 03:55.19 | petemc | i hate the fucking keyboard and on button mouse |
| 03:55.24 | petemc | one |
| 03:55.55 | pixolet | it took me a while to get used to an actual touchpad |
| 03:56.12 | petemc | i have a 370 thinkpad, it rocketh mightily |
| 03:56.22 | stoned | i hate those things |
| 03:56.31 | petemc | ! |
| 03:56.34 | petemc | whyso? |
| 03:56.43 | stoned | I can't stand using pads for mouse navigation |
| 03:56.47 | stoned | they piss me off. I need a mouse |
| 03:56.51 | pixolet | i'm rocking an x20 |
| 03:56.59 | petemc | oh, mousepads, not 370s |
| 03:57.16 | pixolet | hehe |
| 03:57.18 | stoned | no no, you know the electronic pads on laptops where you use your finger to navigate, and tap to click |
| 03:57.20 | stoned | I HATE those |
| 03:57.26 | pixolet | touchpads? |
| 03:57.26 | stoned | I always connect a mouse to my laptops |
| 03:57.33 | stoned | yeah, touchpads they are called |
| 03:57.36 | pixolet | i don't really like mice |
| 03:57.47 | stoned | why is that? |
| 03:57.48 | pixolet | i prefer trackballs, less movement |
| 03:57.56 | stoned | ahh |
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| 03:58.08 | stoned | i like an optical mouse. its much better for me |
| 03:58.30 | stoned | I use it anywhere, and it moves mcuh smoothly, and you don't have it move it aorund as much as a reguar moiuse |
| 03:58.31 | Auzer | twice today when I have installed MySQL, my hard drive statistics (in `df`) have gone haywire |
| 03:58.42 | Auzer | last time I reinstalled, this time I'm not really sure what to do |
| 03:59.00 | stoned | Auzer, you could post the output of dh |
| 03:59.02 | pixolet | high sensitivity? |
| 03:59.03 | stoned | dj |
| 03:59.06 | stoned | doh, df* |
| 03:59.14 | petemc | Auzer: what kernel? |
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| 03:59.32 | Stevie | yay |
| 03:59.34 | stoned | paste* |
| 03:59.41 | stoned | pixolet, yes, quite high |
| 03:59.48 | Auzer | Filesystem: /dev/hda1 1k-blocks: -755491057072 Used: 1 Available: 0 Use%: 8% Mounted on: / |
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| 03:59.55 | stoned | Stevie, I just bought a dvd burner :) |
| 04:00.00 | Auzer | (yeah, negative 1k blocks... heh) |
| 04:00.07 | stoned | my first EVER. welcome me to the 21st century ! |
| 04:00.21 | petemc | Auzer: what kernel? |
| 04:00.35 | Auzer | 2.2.20 |
| 04:00.40 | pixolet | stoned, internal/external? |
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| 04:00.42 | stoned | wow! |
| 04:00.48 | stoned | old ass kernel man |
| 04:00.53 | Auzer | it's a deb CD I had, I just wanted to put mysql and apache on it :( |
| 04:01.03 | stoned | Auzer, thats from woody mate, you should get sarge |
| 04:01.06 | Stevie | I'm using a Windows machine to rip DVDs and ftp them to a deb machine for storage |
| 04:01.26 | stoned | Stevie, you can rip on linux |
| 04:01.27 | Auzer | yeah it's woody... could that be the problem? (since I'm running stable, sarge packages?) |
| 04:01.37 | petemc | Auzer: update the kernel |
| 04:01.46 | stoned | Auzer, bingo, kernel patchin/updating time |
| 04:01.53 | stoned | what petemc said |
| 04:01.53 | Auzer | I'm not sure if I can install anything, I'll try |
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| 04:02.06 | Auzer | mysql, at least, complains of lack of disk space |
| 04:02.09 | papasi | hello |
| 04:02.12 | petemc | .. |
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| 04:02.40 | stoned | Auzer, you will fail to find woody support here in a few more months time |
| 04:03.10 | papasi | i have a newbie question... my /usr/include is empty so i cant get anything installed from source |
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| 04:03.23 | papasi | i installed aptitude, but i can't figure what package to get for the header files |
| 04:03.34 | papasi | i installed kernel header, but that's not it... |
| 04:03.37 | stoned | papasi, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
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| 04:03.57 | stoned | you don't need module assistant, you can remove it later, but its an easy way to install required buliding resoruces |
| 04:04.03 | ganryu | sorry to bother you, I can't get networking going, i'm running debian testing amd64 and the nforcedeth module is loaded, i'm sorry i'm new and don't know where to go |
| 04:04.06 | pixolet | kernel source, perhaps? |
| 04:04.56 | chealer | ganryu: what do you want to achieve exactly? |
| 04:05.02 | jmd_ | Can anyone suggest how I can test that spf is working properly? |
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| 04:05.16 | petemc | jmd_: host -t txt your.domain |
| 04:05.20 | papasi | thanks toned. i'll try to figure it out |
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| 04:05.22 | ganryu | chealer: i want internet and networking to work sir, i thought it would just dhcp |
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| 04:05.57 | chealer | ganryu: let's start by networking...what exactly isn't working? |
| 04:06.22 | jmd_ | petemc: No I meant for incoming connections. |
| 04:06.32 | petemc | jmd_: spf is broken by design |
| 04:06.52 | petemc | jmd_: spf for incoming connections makes no sense |
| 04:06.55 | ganryu | chealer: nothing i think. i can't ping the router, i can't get firefox going (i'm on irc with old computer) |
| 04:07.07 | jmd_ | petemc: BS. |
| 04:07.12 | petemc | zing |
| 04:07.38 | cafuego | jmd_: spf is a domain txt record, like petemc says. If you need to check your mail server, that's a different issue. |
| 04:07.58 | petemc | jmd_: i mean, your question, test spf for incoming connections, makes no sense |
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| 04:08.09 | petemc | also, spf is broken by design |
| 04:08.09 | pixolet | ganryu, have you tried running dhclient? |
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| 04:08.50 | ganryu | pixolet: omg i love you sir it works, i'm really sorry i'm new at this |
| 04:08.52 | jmd_ | Perhaps I was not specific enough in my question. I want to check that my MTA rejects mail which has a bad SPF. |
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| 04:09.12 | petemc | cafuego: have i been oblivious, or have you not been about much lately? |
| 04:09.20 | cafuego | jmd_: tell me your mail host and domain, I'll try to send a mail from my host; which should be rejected. |
| 04:09.28 | cafuego | petemc: I've been lurking :-) |
| 04:09.43 | jmd_ | cafuego: Try john@darrington.wattle.id.au |
| 04:10.05 | petemc | jmd_: if you plan to reject on lack of spf, dont expect to get too many emails |
| 04:10.07 | peterS | nor cthulfuego for that matter |
| 04:10.09 | pixolet | ganryu, it's not a problem |
| 04:10.09 | ganryu | i'm really sorry for taking your time, thankyou all very much |
| 04:10.26 | jmd_ | petemc: I don't plan to do that. |
| 04:10.43 | peterS | maybe you could also reject on habeas SWE, get even less mail |
| 04:11.03 | petemc | jmd_: then perhaps you should go drastically rephrase your question |
| 04:11.13 | petemc | s/go// |
| 04:11.27 | cafuego | jmd_: 550 5.7.1 john@darrington.wattle.id.au... Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=john@darrington.wattle.id.au&ip=202.125.40.181&receiver=freyja.cellform.com |
| 04:11.34 | supadupa | anyone know where i should look to adjust what my laptop does when i close the lid? |
| 04:11.58 | cafuego | petemc: cthulfuego has a new calling - a day job if you will. |
| 04:11.58 | jmd_ | petemc: Do you actually understand SPF? I plan to reject mail which purports to be from a domain which has a SPF record, but the IP doesn't match that SPF record. |
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| 04:12.20 | jmd_ | petemc: In other words, I'm using it exactly as intended. |
| 04:12.22 | petemc | cafuego: needs be as needs must :0 |
| 04:12.30 | petemc | jmd_: dont patronise me, pls |
| 04:12.31 | cafuego | jmd_: petemc understands, you didn't express what you wanted very well ;-) |
| 04:12.57 | cafuego | jmd_: connection usually refers to initial hardshake; ie firewall stuff. |
| 04:13.34 | cafuego | peterS: cthulfuego is got renamed top 'ubotu' and hangs out on freenode still. |
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| 04:13.48 | peterS | ahhh |
| 04:14.29 | petemc | suddenly everything becomes clear.. |
| 04:14.29 | cafuego | which reminds me |
| 04:15.03 | jmd_ | cafuego: Perhaps initially, I didn't phrase my question entirely acurately. But I thought that my intention was clear from the context. and anyone who is that pedantic, yet when I rephrase in complete detail then accuses me of patronisation definitely has double standards. |
| 04:15.16 | supadupa | does acpid cause my laptop to freeze when i close the lid? |
| 04:15.30 | petemc | jmd_: dont talk about me as if im not here, either :) |
| 04:15.41 | petemc | jmd_: your question wasnt at all clear |
| 04:15.59 | liable | supadupa: erm, you mean sleep or it actually freezes? |
| 04:16.00 | petemc | how to test for spf is vague, at best |
| 04:16.02 | jmd_ | petemc: Why not? You don't seem to want to help me. |
| 04:16.13 | petemc | jmd_: you're right there |
| 04:16.19 | gary | ok |
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| 04:16.39 | jmd_ | petemc: Right then, we have nothing to say to each other. |
| 04:16.39 | minerale | bah, I think I burned my car brakes... they were smoking and smelling pretty bad... |
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| 04:17.04 | petemc | jmd_: people rely on my servers to deliver their email, if your server rejects it, i fail at my job |
| 04:17.24 | petemc | my son needs new shoes.. |
| 04:17.29 | jetscreamer | hey acidrip doesn't output to the perl? status window, just reads 0, how to fix |
| 04:17.33 | petemc | i need to earn a living |
| 04:17.53 | slara | how can i add APM for a stock debian kernel on etch? |
| 04:18.05 | slara | APM support |
| 04:18.07 | supadupa | can anyone help me with my power issue? |
| 04:18.20 | jetscreamer | modprobe some things, modconf is easier |
| 04:18.25 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 04:18.25 | dpkg | [modconf] a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules |
| 04:18.51 | slara | as a module? |
| 04:18.54 | liable | slara: it should be enabled in the kernel, unless the etch ones dont have it these days. |
| 04:19.01 | jetscreamer | apt-get install modconf slara, then run it |
| 04:19.10 | slara | i can't find apm |
| 04:19.13 | jetscreamer | find the apm section. load what you need |
| 04:19.25 | cafuego | jmd_: Don't forget you may be dealing with non-native english speakers who may genuinely not understand,. |
| 04:19.27 | slara | and thers no apm module |
| 04:20.03 | jmd_ | cafuego: ok. I'll try to remember that. |
| 04:20.36 | liable | slara: grep APM /boot/config-your_kernel |
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| 04:21.23 | slara | ok |
| 04:21.26 | slara | thanks |
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| 04:21.30 | jshriver | greetings.. |
| 04:21.47 | jshriver | anyone know if there is any podcasting programs in debian? tried apt-cache but can't find anything. |
| 04:22.09 | jshriver | Tried CastPodder but it seems broken. |
| 04:23.01 | petemc | jshriver: audacity and vim work for me |
| 04:23.42 | jshriver | hrm will check audacity.. how can you use vim for rss feeds? |
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| 04:24.00 | petemc | jshriver: vim is text editor, xml is text |
| 04:24.13 | jshriver | erm.. k *confused* |
| 04:24.19 | nimak | anyone have any idea what this is? |
| 04:24.26 | unstable | jshriver: There are probably dosens. |
| 04:24.30 | jshriver | nimak, what ? |
| 04:24.30 | nimak | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave/No default libao driver available. |
| 04:24.32 | unstable | jshriver: use icecast2 |
| 04:24.45 | nimak | i get it from mpg321 |
| 04:25.02 | jshriver | unstable, I'm not trying to make a stream, but collect one via a RSS feed. Thought icecast was just a mp3 streaming suite.. I might be wrong |
| 04:25.12 | nimak | it seems to be caused when i start firefox, but i've only tried it once |
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| 04:25.27 | petemc | jshriver: ah, sorry - i was talking about creating podcasts |
| 04:25.57 | nimak | alsaconf fixes it, but only temporarily |
| 04:25.59 | pixolet | jshriver would blam work for that? |
| 04:25.59 | slara | i get from modprobe |
| 04:26.00 | slara | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.32 | jshriver | I dont need it to sync with any kind of device, basically just feed it an rss feed and when a new file pops up grab it and save to the local filesystem. lol worse case I might just write one up in perl, but figured there would be a nicer solution already done.. and hopefully in debian |
| 04:26.32 | pixolet | jshriver, it's an aggregator i used to use a while ago |
| 04:27.03 | jshriver | pixolet, hrm will check it out thanks :) |
| 04:27.30 | slara | can acpi and apm be loaded together? |
| 04:27.42 | jshriver | hrm blam not in debian stable it seems... apt-cache search blam | more yields nothing of that sort |
| 04:27.48 | jshriver | slara, aye |
| 04:28.10 | nimak | my libao.conf file seems good |
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| 04:30.10 | pixolet | jshriver did you do a search for aggregator? i would but i'm on etch (and lazy) |
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| 04:36.47 | beetlepun_ | how do i kill a processgroup? |
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| 04:37.30 | peterS | beetlepun_: kill -SIGNUM -PGID, should be |
| 04:37.53 | peterS | beetlepun_: a negative PID is taken to mean a PGID, but you have to give the signal number first so the two won't be confused for each other |
| 04:38.45 | peterS | beetlepun_: thus to kill all of my own processes with SIGHUP, I sometimes say "kill -1 -1". it's a quick way to log me all the way out from everywhere at once (: |
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| 04:40.28 | peterS | beetlepun_: oh, almost forgot: a process group is also often known to a shell as a "job" and the shell version of 'kill' can deal with job IDs too. so if you type "jobs" and it shows a %1 and %2 and %3, you can kill any of those process groups by referring to them as %1, %2 or %3 |
| 04:40.48 | peterS | this only works from the shell that started the job, though |
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| 04:41.41 | pixolet | well, i'm out. see you all later |
| 04:42.16 | beetlepun_ | ok, where's the manual that tells me what the sigs are? |
| 04:43.17 | Stevie | sigs? |
| 04:43.23 | Stevie | oh, signals? |
| 04:43.26 | Stevie | kill -l |
| 04:43.31 | Stevie | or man 2 signal |
| 04:44.13 | beetlepun_ | Stevie, wondering what's the difference between hup and term |
| 04:44.23 | peterS | 'man 7 signal' is more helpful than 'man 2 signal', I imagine |
| 04:44.33 | Stevie | HUP says 'the user disconnected/logged out' |
| 04:44.47 | Stevie | programs run via nohup don't die if they receive a HUP signal |
| 04:44.52 | peterS | beetlepun_: TERM means "please die now, no particular reason", HUP means "the user disconnected or something like that". most programs do the same for both |
| 04:44.53 | Stevie | TERM says 'the user wants you to exit. now.' |
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| 04:45.10 | peterS | beetlepun_: also, daemons often define HUP to mean "please reread your configuration" |
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| 04:45.55 | Stevie | One that doesn't behave similarly is dhclient (I would like it to take HUP to mean 'renew the address now'; currently it just kills it) |
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| 04:46.58 | beetlepun_ | so when I normal close a program, say a service, what signal is normally used for stopping a service? |
| 04:46.59 | peterS | INT, QUIT and TSTP mean the user pressed ^C, ^\ or ^Z and want you to die or suspend yourself |
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| 04:47.11 | peterS | TERM is the most common way to say "user just wants you to die" |
| 04:47.11 | Fayruz | Erm, hey. |
| 04:47.17 | peterS | in fact, 'kill' without a signal name uses TERM |
| 04:47.27 | Fayruz | O.o |
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| 04:47.49 | Stevie | actually |
| 04:47.51 | Fayruz | Anyway, this I was wanting debian to be my first linux distro. But damned if I know which one to choose. |
| 04:47.55 | Stevie | I don't think processes can intercept TSTP |
| 04:48.00 | Stevie | I know they can't block STOP |
| 04:48.04 | peterS | Stevie: yes they can, what they can't intercept is STOP |
| 04:48.19 | peterS | by default, TSTP does the same as STOP, but you can certainly catch it if you want |
| 04:48.33 | peterS | STOP and KILL are the only two you can't |
| 04:48.38 | Stevie | btw, 2 is libc; what's section 7? |
| 04:48.54 | peterS | section 7 is ... uh, like general information about interfaces |
| 04:49.00 | Fayruz | Erm, I guess I'll look at alternatives. |
| 04:49.08 | peterS | 'man 7 tcp' for example |
| 04:49.18 | Stevie | ah, ok |
| 04:50.18 | Fayruz | Well, I'll leave if you'll answer me this. What is a decent program I could use to set up a partition? |
| 04:50.24 | Stevie | I helpfully suggested that he try 'kill -9 1' |
| 04:50.31 | peterS | oh dear (: |
| 04:50.45 | Stevie | He was rather annoyed with me after that |
| 04:50.59 | Stevie | (when the box came back it was patched) |
| 04:51.16 | peterS | Fayruz: what do you mean "which one"? there is only one debian release, and that's 3.1. you can use unreleased versions if you want more excitement (not necessarily the good kind of excitement) |
| 04:51.38 | Fayruz | I meant, there is like i386 and stuff. Do I just download any of them? |
| 04:51.54 | peterS | Fayruz: different CPU types need different images. a standard PC is i386. |
| 04:52.00 | Fayruz | Alright, thank you. |
| 04:52.09 | peterS | Fayruz: a 64-bit PC is "amd64", a Mac is "powerpc". the rest you aren't likely to see |
| 04:52.22 | Fayruz | Now, do you know a decent program I can set up a partitian with? |
| 04:52.25 | beetlepun_ | anyone knows of a good dedicating hosters ? |
| 04:52.59 | peterS | Fayruz: well, debian-installer includes its own partitioner that is _fairly_ easy to use, though it's not a GUI or anything. it has an automatic mode and a manual mode. |
| 04:53.06 | scam | i apt-got kernel 2.6 on my sparc and the mapping of my keyboard is scxrewed up.. any ideas.. |
| 04:53.11 | peterS | (debian-installer is the name for the installer that comes on the CDs) |
| 04:53.17 | Fayruz | Alright, lastly, would you reccomend Debian to a first-time user? |
| 04:53.54 | peterS | Fayruz: certainly you can try it and see if you like it. it's impossible to know what you'll think ahead of time. the installation process itself isn't that hard these days. the actual day-to-day use depends on what you want to do with it |
| 04:54.03 | Fayruz | I had tried red hat a few years ago, but after I found out the version I had was a buggy one, it took an act of congress to uninstall it. |
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| 04:54.31 | Fayruz | Well, the most I do with my computer is play zSnes, browse the web and talk on IRC |
| 04:54.54 | Fayruz | All of those I can do on Linux |
| 04:55.00 | Fayruz | So okay, thanks. I'll get debian |
| 04:55.02 | peterS | Fayruz: those things shouldn't be hard to manage in debian (: |
| 04:55.08 | Fayruz | Haha |
| 04:55.10 | Fayruz | Alrighty |
| 04:55.18 | Fayruz | Hopefully I'll be back tomorrow xD |
| 04:55.22 | scam | i apt-got kernel 2.6 on my sparc and the mapping of my keyboard is scxrewed up.. any ideas? |
| 04:55.24 | peterS | not that I've tried zsnes, mind you |
| 04:55.42 | Fayruz | Well, zsnes works on damn near everything |
| 04:55.52 | peterS | scam: everything input-device-related changed between kernel 2.4 and kernel 2.6, so this isn't terribly surprising |
| 04:55.53 | Fayruz | Off I go, then |
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| 04:56.12 | beetlepun_ | scam, you might be able to pass something to the bootline |
| 04:56.15 | peterS | what city is bgk.bellsouth.net, anyway? |
| 04:56.49 | peterS | makes me think Bankok, but Bell South doesn't quite reach *that* far |
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| 04:58.28 | scam | could it be xdm remapping it? |
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| 04:58.48 | beetlepun_ | scam, possibly |
| 04:58.51 | scam | mind you this is a sparc |
| 04:58.54 | peterS | not xdm in particular but the X server maybe |
| 04:59.29 | peterS | it has to deal differently with the kernel for keyboard access in 2.6, so who knows what it is led to believe |
| 05:00.02 | ansong | does anyone know of a good, trusted, up-to-date repository for klamav? |
| 05:00.03 | scam | keyboard works perfect in etch but not upgrading kernel from stable |
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| 05:00.45 | beetlepun_ | scam, what about console, is it fine? |
| 05:01.29 | scam | beetlepun_ it screwed up also.. but i can ssh in and its fine |
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| 05:02.24 | peterS | scam: if you can type 'dpkg-reconfigure console-tools' maybe you can experiment with getting the right keyboard model |
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| 05:02.33 | peterS | I mean for non-X11 |
| 05:02.37 | beetlepun_ | scam, you might pass something to the bootline, but since ssh is fine, check your locale setting, y, check the console-tools thingies.. |
| 05:02.43 | scam | peters its set to type5 |
| 05:02.50 | scam | which is the correct one |
| 05:03.57 | peterS | yeah too bad I don't have a Sun so I can't fart around testing these things |
| 05:05.08 | scam | dpkg-reconfigure console-tools just brings me back to a command line |
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| 05:05.36 | scam | peters where you live.. i got a bunch.. and i dont want the slower ones |
| 05:05.39 | peterS | scam: oh it's console-data, sorry |
| 05:06.09 | peterS | scam: wichita kansas central US. I'd take one as long as it is new enough and big enough to run Debian. I don't want a sun4c with 16 MB of RAM, for example |
| 05:07.09 | scam | now i wish i could type on my keyboard to see if it works |
| 05:07.11 | scam | haha |
| 05:07.15 | peterS | (: |
| 05:07.19 | scam | im at http://notacon.org |
| 05:07.53 | peterS | cleveland, eh, I don't think I've ever been there |
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| 05:11.03 | scam | Option "CoreKeyboard" |
| 05:11.15 | scam | that line got added to my XF86 |
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| 05:12.41 | Thunderguy | Hey I'm trying to end an argument, is this guy for real? 01:10 < skumby> etch (testing) is at least as stable as XP |
| 05:12.41 | Thunderguy | 01:10 < skumby> sid (unstable) is at least as stable as 98SE |
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| 05:13.35 | Stevie | when they say sid is unstable, they don't mean it crashes, they mean that if you upgrade a program, the new version might not work |
| 05:13.53 | scam | Thunderguy install stable and ap-get install 2.6 kernel |
| 05:14.11 | Thunderguy | Well I want a desktop machine that has the cutting edge stuff |
| 05:14.14 | Thunderguy | I'm in Gentoo now |
| 05:14.23 | Thunderguy | which is more like gentoo testing or unstable? |
| 05:14.29 | scam | then stay gentoo |
| 05:14.35 | Thunderguy | hmmm |
| 05:14.42 | Stevie | www.funroll-loops.org |
| 05:14.45 | Stevie | or is it .net |
| 05:14.54 | Thunderguy | I <3 Gentoo, I just don't like compiling every darn thing |
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| 05:15.51 | chealer | Thunderguy: you can't compare branches/suites with distros |
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| 05:16.21 | Thunderguy | I got Gentoo because I was tired of Ubuntu and they sounded the same |
| 05:16.37 | Stevie | hahaha |
| 05:16.42 | parsonsd | thunderguy: what made you tired of ubuntu? |
| 05:17.40 | Thunderguy | parsonsd: I made a cd that had a repository on it from apt-move, and the CD was curropt, and it had all the build dependencies I wanted and everything I wanted, and I couldn't find the stuff on the net anymore |
| 05:17.58 | parsonsd | thunderguy: i see |
| 05:18.05 | parsonsd | that could be a problem |
| 05:18.18 | Thunderguy | so I got Gentoo since it seemed to be a distro that got all the build dependencies for you |
| 05:18.29 | RiRi | hey, i am trying to compile a 2.6 kernel with a config file that i have named ".config" but i cant get it to work. can anyone help? |
| 05:18.39 | Thunderguy | build dependencies are nice, because now instead of .deb's I can install programs from source code |
| 05:18.44 | Thunderguy | It just..... takes too long :( |
| 05:18.49 | scam | riri is it debian? |
| 05:18.54 | RiRi | yes |
| 05:19.08 | scam | riri why are you building one when you apt-get it |
| 05:19.24 | Stevie | Because sometimes ya just gotta build your own kernel. |
| 05:19.32 | RiRi | because i need to set it up properly for my laptop |
| 05:19.35 | Thunderguy | parsonsd: It was also my Ubuntu setup, Ubuntu didn't setup on my system under default installation.... So... I had to use expert installation, and I wasn't an expert in Ubuntu |
| 05:19.35 | scam | riri apt-cache search kernel 2.6 |
| 05:19.51 | scam | if yo ugot it setup now it should migrate |
| 05:20.28 | RiRi | but my current kernel isnt properly set up, i only intalled debian recently |
| 05:20.29 | Thunderguy | parsond: but expert was the only installation of ubuntu that worked, I had to setup everything and the linker files were all messed up and every where you look the distro was messed up, but it was only because I set it up wrong |
| 05:21.06 | parsonsd | thunderguy: that could be quite a problem |
| 05:21.07 | Thunderguy | parsond: I said screw it and then just got Gentoo and setup everything myself.... hmm... I got it right on the first try it seems, and Gentoo is working perfectly with my setup, but =/ compiling takes sooo long |
| 05:21.35 | RiRi | i got a pre-made config file of a site, and i need to know how to compile from that. |
| 05:21.49 | Thunderguy | parsonsd: I crave a distro I can setup myself ( like gentoo ) with help from a manual, but BINARY, and Debian is the closest thing I can find. |
| 05:22.14 | Azar | RiRi: are you new at Debian? |
| 05:22.16 | scam | Thunderguy try freebsd |
| 05:22.28 | Thunderguy | scam: not compatible, I got the ATI video card |
| 05:22.29 | RiRi | yes, and to linux |
| 05:22.43 | Thunderguy | scam: I intend to play doom3 >.> |
| 05:22.53 | stoned | Thunderguy, you can do this with debian |
| 05:23.10 | parsonsd | could always try netbsd. |
| 05:23.41 | Azar | RiRi: in my experience as a novice, you should learn how to administer Debian first, you should learn that Debian uses its own .deb packages and if you start downloading non-debian stuff and compile the non-debian way you will have to manage dependencies on your own |
| 05:23.52 | stoned | Thunderguy, you can also just install the base system. then you can try and build packages from source, and compile it the way you want. of couse, unlike gentoo, debian forces you to install dependencies. If you don't mind it, then go with debian, if you mind it, stick with gentoo |
| 05:24.18 | Azar | RiRi: I will give you the list of online manuals read first about apt, ok? |
| 05:24.31 | Thunderguy | stoned: Gentoo installs dependencies too :P It needs them in order to compile everything |
| 05:24.36 | scam | Thunderguy which ati card |
| 05:24.39 | RiRi | ok |
| 05:24.46 | Thunderguy | scam: Radeon 9000 |
| 05:24.47 | Azar | RiRi: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 05:25.02 | stoned | Thunderguy, I am a bit too tired in order to explain the difference, but if you knew gentoo, which obviously you don't, you'd know of what I speak |
| 05:25.10 | stoned | Thunderguy, stick to debian, its fantastic |
| 05:25.18 | RiRi | ok i'll check that now. bye |
| 05:25.52 | Thunderguy | I only used Debian on colinux once, yeah I started with colinux >.> then I installed Ubuntu because I was on dialup and their ship-it is cool |
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| 05:27.15 | Thunderguy | In what ways though is Debian different then Ubuntu? or is there really anything visible? |
| 05:27.17 | Azar | Debian has a great learning curve for those who WANT to learn, Ubuntu is ( I guess ) for those who just want to have a quickie desktop without much knowledge involved |
| 05:27.30 | stoned | !debian-based |
| 05:27.30 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 05:27.43 | Thunderguy | ah, well Azar: Would Gentoo count as having the skill level enough to do Debian ok? |
| 05:28.00 | Thunderguy | Or is Debian a better learning curve then Gentoo? |
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| 05:28.07 | Azar | Thunderguy: gentoo is chaotic, Debian is organized the way I see it |
| 05:28.16 | Thunderguy | ah |
| 05:28.17 | stoned | I agree with Azar |
| 05:28.23 | scam | slackware is nice Thunderguy |
| 05:28.23 | Azar | with Debian you would have to respect rules and do stuff the debian way only |
| 05:28.37 | scam | but it doesnt sound like something for you |
| 05:28.50 | Thunderguy | There is one system I could never get, Mandriva :( It's learning curve was like " tell you what you need to know only " that system broke and I could never fix it |
| 05:29.21 | Thunderguy | broke on initial install! |
| 05:29.24 | Azar | if you are in for testing and do experiments, maybe gentoo is ok, but also Debian Sid can be fun for that purpose |
| 05:29.24 | Stevie | just how many programs have constructs that would actually gain any benefit from newer instructions added in i686 (vs i586) ? |
| 05:29.27 | stoned | Thunderguy, that is why there exist hundreds of distibutions. Pick one you are comfortable with, after trying a bunch of them. |
| 05:30.10 | stoned | Thunderguy, there is no substitute for personal experience |
| 05:30.20 | Azar | Thunderguy: learn the rules while sitting in the stable, then if you feel for adventure go up |
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| 05:30.53 | Thunderguy | stoned: I kinda like Debian and Gentoo, but I'm more towards Gentoo, and before you go waving that funrools sign again Stevie: I'll have you know that setting up Gentoo myself was very cool, I set it up right and never had a problem, I suppose I could do the same on other distro's but please don't be waving that aweful sign, I like Debian too because you don't have to compile everything, I'm just kind of a mix of both |
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| 05:31.23 | scam | Azar i was comfy with stable so i tried etch on my sparc and it blows... but its just becasue its on a sparc |
| 05:31.24 | Thunderguy | I didn't get Gentoo because I thought it was a racer mobile, lol |
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| 05:31.36 | scam | so it also has to be with the hardware |
| 05:31.38 | stoned | Thunderguy, you are bordering on trolling |
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| 05:31.47 | Azar | scam, sometimes challenges are fun, that is if you have time and the guts |
| 05:32.07 | Thunderguy | stoned: And that guy is pasting links to a Gentoo hate site =/ |
| 05:32.12 | Azar | I would love to go up in Etch, and experiment, and contribute but I do not have the time |
| 05:32.17 | macr0 | Is there a way to see what processes are keeping a mount point from being unmounted? |
| 05:32.17 | scam | azar i did.. i fixed two problems and posted them on a bunch of support sites |
| 05:32.31 | stoned | Thunderguy, worry about your own actions, and not of others' |
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| 05:32.35 | chemaja | macr0, lsof |
| 05:32.35 | xtest | how do I find the unstable repository so I can update php version 5? |
| 05:32.52 | scam | marc0 try mount -v |
| 05:33.06 | Azar | xtest: I guess with apt-cache search (if your sources are set to capture unstable) |
| 05:33.11 | stoned | Thunderguy, if you have enough experince with gentoo, which imo is harder to setup, then you should have no trouble with debian + documentaion. What is the point of your discussion now? |
| 05:33.35 | Thunderguy | alright. stoned: I'm just wondering I'm a total newb to Linux and I'm using Gentoo =/ |
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| 05:33.43 | unlearn | http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
| 05:33.43 | scam | etch doesnt support stable on a sparc64 |
| 05:33.49 | xtest | azar, how do I set the sources to add unstable? |
| 05:33.56 | scam | so i couldnt handle not have a movie player in X |
| 05:33.57 | Thunderguy | which I have no problem with, I'm trying to absorb all documentation and expertise |
| 05:34.00 | Azar | Thunderguy: once you move to debian, you have to think debian, same if you move from any other OS. |
| 05:34.09 | Thunderguy | ah, but isn't Linux the OS? |
| 05:34.12 | macr0 | Wonderful. I umounted a file system lazily to do an fsck because it's journal messed up and now I can't remount it or unmount it, doesn't come up in the mount list but says already mounted when using the mount command. |
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| 05:34.23 | scam | there are different types of linux |
| 05:34.26 | Kyzentun | Thunderguy: Idiot. |
| 05:34.27 | scam | like there is windwos |
| 05:34.28 | Thunderguy | ah |
| 05:34.34 | Azar | xtest: in /etc/apt/sources.list look at the sources to see if they contain "unstable" instead of "testing" or "stable" |
| 05:34.35 | xtest | Thunderguy, debian is more than just the OS. |
| 05:34.38 | scam | windows xp and home are totally different |
| 05:34.44 | scam | just like slackware and debian |
| 05:34.59 | Azar | xtest: if your source don't show "unstable" do not change because there is no way back |
| 05:35.08 | xtest | Debian also supports other OS than Linux. Herd for example. |
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| 05:35.18 | Azar | ... I mean if you dist-upgrade to unstable, there is no way back |
| 05:35.20 | Thunderguy | Herd? |
| 05:35.37 | parsonsd | thunderguy: GNU/hurd |
| 05:35.37 | chemaja | i'm looking for a way to recursively install "Recommends" packages of a given parent package, eg. I installed package `gnome' via aptitude but had it set to not automatically install Recommended packges. Now, I want to install all the packages that would have been installed if this setting was on. How? |
| 05:35.44 | stoned | Thunderguy, linux is not the operating system. Linux is the kernel which provides communication medium between hardware and software. Everything besides the linux kernel is 3rd party software, and combinations of how they are setup to be used with the linux kernel is how different linux based OS come out. Debian is a linux based OS. Gentoo is a linux based OS. Mandriva is a linux based OS. Linux is not the OS. |
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| 05:36.10 | macr0 | Hmm, the error message is a little confusing: mount: /dev/hdb2 already mounted or /home busy but none of the other tools (mount, df) say so. |
| 05:36.16 | parsonsd | thunderguy: Stallman's Next Big Adventure, because (GNU/)linux is a waste. |
| 05:36.40 | chemaja | .... i know there's Audit Recommendations, but this is just a flat list, not specific to the `gnome' dependency tree |
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| 05:37.29 | chemaja | arguably GNU/Linux is the OS *ducks* |
| 05:37.40 | stoned | chemaja, good thing you ducked |
| 05:37.40 | stoned | ;) |
| 05:37.55 | chemaja | :) |
| 05:37.58 | macr0 | hmm, looks like bash and/or screen made a /.home.orig but besides that no other home in lsof |
| 05:38.00 | Thunderguy | ah ok... well see people are always calling any OS derived from Linux, Linux. |
| 05:38.09 | parsonsd | chemaja: would uninstalling GNOME, then resetting the option to load all dependancies not do it? |
| 05:38.25 | Thunderguy | and that's the first thing I noticed when switching from Windows to Ubuntu, then like a month later from Ubuntu to Gentoo |
| 05:38.36 | Thunderguy | everyone just called it Linux this whole time =/ |
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| 05:38.43 | parsonsd | cos emacs just isn't going to make it as an OS? |
| 05:38.49 | Azar | Thunderguy: people learn in time |
| 05:39.00 | chemaja | parsonsd, i'm trying to avoid that :) |
| 05:39.00 | Azar | Thunderguy: ever read about apt? |
| 05:39.19 | Thunderguy | So Like instead of saying to people I use Linux, I should say " I use Gentoo " or " I use Debian " ? |
| 05:39.31 | Thunderguy | Azar: yeah the man pages |
| 05:39.37 | stoned | Thunderguy, dpkg is a great resource. Try /msg dpkg apt |
| 05:39.37 | chemaja | I personally prefer the "GNU/Linux" moniker |
| 05:39.58 | Azar | Thunderguy: I have something nicer if you are interested: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 05:40.04 | parsonsd | chemaja: i'm still trying to figure out how to browse info pages. the input is supposed to be emacs, but i'm a heretic -- i like vi |
| 05:40.04 | chemaja | or Debian, if that's what i'm explicitly referring to |
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| 05:40.05 | xtest | Azar, the sources.list file is set to stable. If I add unstable repositories I cannot "downgrade" the system if I don't like the changes? |
| 05:40.20 | stoned | xtest, downgrade to sarge is not possible |
| 05:40.29 | parsonsd | chemaja -- it confuses me.... |
| 05:40.37 | scam | xtest sometimes you can remove the package.. but it might make it unstable |
| 05:40.41 | chemaja | parsons: there's a tool called `pinfo' which gives you a lynx-like interface to the info pages |
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| 05:40.47 | Azar | xtest: no you eventually will end-up with unstable packages and screw . Better learn to use backports to get the package you need to work with stable |
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| 05:41.02 | stoned | xtest, if you have to ask this question, and I suggest you shouldn't use unstable branch of debian. |
| 05:41.02 | chino[lap] | to get lufs i just install the lufs packages that come up from apt-cache search ? or do i need to do more ? |
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| 05:41.19 | Azar | xtest /msg dpkg backports here |
| 05:41.20 | stoned | chino[lap], that should be it |
| 05:41.31 | parsonsd | chemaja, seperate package install, i take it? didn't automagically work at the command prompt |
| 05:41.39 | chemaja | parsonsd, yes. |
| 05:41.52 | parsonsd | chemaja -- that is very useful information, tho. thanks |
| 05:42.06 | chemaja | parsonsd, np. |
| 05:42.19 | chemaja | parsonsd, also `apt-cache search texinfo' (i guess) |
| 05:42.34 | xtest | azar, thanks for the link. |
| 05:42.58 | stoned | !tell xtest about simple sid backport |
| 05:43.03 | Azar | xtest: good luck |
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| 05:43.54 | macr0 | Does the kernel set some bit on a partition to signify that is "mounted" ? |
| 05:44.15 | chemaja | *ugh* why is apt so hard :)( |
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| 05:44.21 | stoned | chemaja, it is n't |
| 05:44.35 | stoned | isn't* |
| 05:44.59 | chemaja | stoned, so how can i recursively install recommends (or suggests) deps for a given parent package? |
| 05:45.44 | stoned | chemaja, why would you want to do that? |
| 05:46.01 | xtest | so just to verify. the distribution hierarchy is: stable<-testing<-unstable<-experimental in order of newness? |
| 05:46.02 | chemaja | stoned, do i really need a reason? |
| 05:46.05 | Stevie | because he's a wackjob? |
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| 05:46.35 | Stevie | chemaja: you want to use aptitude for that |
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| 05:46.38 | Stevie | there's a parameter that does that |
| 05:46.54 | Stevie | aptitude -r install foo |
| 05:47.08 | chemaja | Stevie, it's not that crazy a desire. I just installed the gnome metapackage without the Recommends or Suggests packages. I now want to have what would have been installed if I had first enabled the aptitude option to install Recommends packages automatically. |
| 05:47.11 | brahm | i just accidentally turned off my display for console, how do i turn it back on? (the console isn't updating, but i can still switch terminals using ctrl-alt-Fn) |
| 05:47.13 | stoned | chemaja, that is not good practice. Don't install packages you do not need. Security is a factor. Disk space is another. Especially if you run unstable/testing brances. Of course you COULD do it, but I don't see a reason. man aptitude or try not to do this. |
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| 05:48.07 | Azar | xtest: yes, and if you go up from stable there is no way of getting back to it but only by re-installing |
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| 05:48.31 | stoned | chamaja, apt-cache show package - then copy and paste the packages to install as apt-get install start.pasting.here. - use aptitude - use synaptic - take your pick |
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| 05:49.10 | chemaja | Stevie, gnome package is already installed, so `aptitude -r install gnome' doesn't give the desired result. |
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| 05:50.09 | chino[lap] | how do i state that im connecting to a ftp fs with lufsmount ? |
| 05:50.23 | chemaja | stoned, if it was only for 1 level of recursion, your solution would be workable |
| 05:50.40 | stoned | chemaja, read my entire reply please |
| 05:50.44 | xtest | I've been following debian for a while... but this is the first time I'm putting it into use. |
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| 05:50.55 | stoned | xtest, thats great, welcome to it |
| 05:51.13 | chemaja | stoned, i believe i did -- which bit did i ignore? |
| 05:51.21 | Azar | xtest: you got the chance to look at the apt-get/dpkg primer link? |
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| 05:51.41 | stoned | chemaja, package 'gnome' does nto have reccomends/suggests |
| 05:52.02 | xtest | So I know some of the general concepts but I lack the hands on part. I like the distribution overall. Just need more experience with it. |
| 05:52.12 | chemaja | stoned, yes but it's n-level depencencies do |
| 05:52.17 | xtest | Azar, I just finished reading the backports page. |
| 05:52.28 | chemaja | ie. package A depends on B; B depends on C; C recommends D. |
| 05:52.46 | xtest | I'll read the apt-get/dpkg primer before deciding to update the system |
| 05:52.53 | Azar | xtest: since you are new to debian, take 15 min and read this, is old but still underlines the base: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 05:53.04 | xtest | This is a test box so I can hose it. |
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| 05:53.10 | chemaja | stoned, i guess i'll have to keep researching / write a script. |
| 05:53.16 | stoned | chemaja, |
| 05:53.21 | stoned | wtf |
| 05:53.28 | stoned | wtf happened to the rest of my reply |
| 05:53.33 | chemaja | lol |
| 05:53.38 | xtest | But I want to spend more time on the project than on setting up the apps. |
| 05:53.55 | stoned | man my computer is fucking possessed I tellya, it does things that I just can't see happeneing otherwise |
| 05:53.59 | stoned | scares me |
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| 05:54.27 | Stevie | are you sure you're not just stoned? |
| 05:54.30 | Azar | xtest: the rule of the thumb with debian is using apt and .deb packages. Also you will learn how to compile the debian way with dpkg. |
| 05:54.41 | chemaja | rofl that's what i keep telling him ;-) |
| 05:54.55 | stoned | Stevie, lol dude, I am but I typed the whole reply and now I am checking my buffer there is nothing. I have no idea what happend to it |
| 05:55.10 | Stevie | xtest: I should add that it's been years since I had to build a package by hand |
| 05:55.53 | Stevie | The last time I did was when Woody was still 'testing' and I backported some packages to whatever preceded it (what was that, Potato?) |
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| 05:56.14 | stoned | Stevie, grandpa! |
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| 05:56.32 | nadjyla | hello |
| 05:56.33 | stoned | :) |
| 05:56.41 | Stevie | god that was freaking forever ago |
| 05:56.56 | ikks | q |
| 05:56.58 | Stevie | r |
| 05:57.01 | stoned | s |
| 05:57.02 | Stevie | t |
| 05:57.04 | stoned | oned |
| 05:57.06 | stoned | haha |
| 05:57.07 | chino[lap] | whats the lufsd module ? |
| 05:57.07 | stoned | :D |
| 05:57.14 | Azar | xtest: here you can have a look at what packages you can get from Debian by your distro (stable, testing or unstable): http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 05:57.26 | Stevie | chino[lap]: dunno; what's modinfo say? |
| 05:57.35 | Luck | what's the difference between 2.4.27.10sarge1 and 2.4.27.10sarge2 ? |
| 05:57.36 | Stevie | modinfo `locate lufsd` |
| 05:57.42 | Luck | what did they change? |
| 05:57.44 | Stevie | Luck: the second is 1 better |
| 05:57.54 | stoned | lol |
| 05:58.08 | chino[lap] | Stevie: whats modinfo ? |
| 05:58.10 | Luck | ? |
| 05:58.11 | Azar | Luck: security upgrades |
| 05:58.20 | Luck | should i upgrade? |
| 05:58.33 | Stevie | chino[lap]: shows info from a kernel module |
| 05:58.35 | Luck | or is it recommended? |
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| 05:58.45 | stoned | Luck, after the package is installed, dpkg -L packagename | grep doc - then look for chages, readmes etc. and start there |
| 05:58.46 | Azar | Luck: if you use stable make a habit of doing : apt-get update then apt-get upgrade everyday |
| 05:59.04 | nadjyla | not everyday :) |
| 05:59.06 | stoned | Azar, or set a cron |
| 05:59.07 | chino[lap] | Stevie: yes but i dont know which one it is |
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| 05:59.11 | stoned | weekly cron is good |
| 05:59.15 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 05:59.24 | Azar | stoned: yes but I like to see the gifts :) |
| 05:59.29 | stoned | lol |
| 05:59.30 | RazaMetaL | what do I need to view japanesse characters ? |
| 05:59.41 | stoned | eyes |
| 05:59.44 | Stevie | chino[lap]: what do you mean? You said it was lufsd |
| 05:59.45 | stoned | i think |
| 05:59.54 | chino[lap] | thats a command |
| 06:00.01 | Stevie | what's a command? |
| 06:00.07 | RazaMetaL | I'm receiving some mails from japan but can read anything, the symbols appears like squares with numbers inside |
| 06:00.12 | stoned | Stevie, dictionary.com |
| 06:00.18 | RazaMetaL | stoft, lol |
| 06:00.20 | Stevie | dictionary.com is a command? |
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| 06:00.27 | stoned | Stevie, im teasin |
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| 06:00.45 | Azar | RazaMetaL: you have to configure your mail for that check your mail client documentation |
| 06:00.47 | Stevie | only in DOS, and that's actually as DICTNARY.COM |
| 06:00.55 | Stevie | :) |
| 06:00.57 | stoned | lol, so true |
| 06:01.03 | xtest | azar, I just read the apt-get primer. Quite interesting. |
| 06:01.09 | Stevie | or DICTIONA.COM |
| 06:01.11 | young | how do you set cron? |
| 06:01.14 | stoned | man its been over a decade and half |
| 06:01.20 | stoned | since I used dos wow |
| 06:01.21 | Stevie | young: crontab -e |
| 06:01.24 | jmd_ | Does anyone here use sendmail in Sarge ? |
| 06:01.27 | Azar | xtest: debian can be very sweet with those who get to know its workings |
| 06:01.29 | Stevie | In Windows 95 it's DICTIO~1.COM |
| 06:01.32 | RazaMetaL | :( I'm using one web based free e-mail |
| 06:01.47 | Azar | RazaMetaL: then configure your browser |
| 06:01.58 | xtest | I can imagine. I've been wanting to test it out for a while. |
| 06:02.20 | RazaMetaL | Azar, what is the character encoding for japanesse ? |
| 06:02.33 | Azar | xtest: I have had very dark days in the past with Debian until I managed to learn, I am a very slow learner |
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| 06:02.46 | Stevie | I love Debian |
| 06:02.51 | Stevie | I learned to use Linux on Slackware |
| 06:03.09 | Stevie | which doesn't actually have package management |
| 06:03.11 | Azar | RazaMetaL: i would not know , if I were you I would google for : japanese for firefox (or whatever browser you are using) |
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| 06:03.38 | RazaMetaL | Azar, thnkz .. |
| 06:03.40 | Stevie | and really, you need to compile everything yourself |
| 06:03.46 | Coweater | iso-2022-jp or utf-8 if they're doing it right |
| 06:03.50 | xtest | I found out what I needed. I'll use the backport of php5. Thanks for the help. |
| 06:03.55 | chino[lap] | whats the module assitant tool ? |
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| 06:04.06 | Azar | xtest: you are welcome |
| 06:04.25 | Stevie | Slackware is like the do-it-yourselfness of Gentoo minus the automated management of Debian |
| 06:04.36 | xtest | azar, I can imagine. It truly is an unweildy distribution for some things. |
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| 06:04.50 | Stevie | what things? |
| 06:04.57 | chino[lap] | anyone |
| 06:04.59 | Azar | stable as a rock |
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| 06:05.06 | xtest | The documentation is clear when you know what you want. |
| 06:05.19 | Stevie | Azar: gentoo is stable as a rock.. in a wile e coyote cartoon |
| 06:05.30 | xtest | but you need to know the lingo. |
| 06:05.54 | Azar | xtest: I learned also a lot by googling with my debian issues, lots of usenet and forum discussions |
| 06:06.07 | xtest | slackware was the first distribution I ever used. |
| 06:06.22 | Stevie | xtest: same here |
| 06:06.39 | Stevie | Installed it on a 486 DX-2/50 with 16M RAM and a 250MB hard disk (50MB swap) |
| 06:06.43 | Azar | I guess I am the only one with an impressive record of debian installs: 57 in 3 years |
| 06:06.44 | Stevie | ran an ircd |
| 06:07.04 | Stevie | Azar: I'm close to that, but they were all under virtual machines :) |
| 06:07.28 | Stevie | http://stevieo.freeshell.org/uml/adminless-uml-d-i.html |
| 06:07.33 | Stevie | ^^ writeup :D |
| 06:07.34 | Azar | no, I specially bought and dedicated a box for Debian only: no dual boot crap |
| 06:07.43 | xtest | sounds like we were inbstalling the same version. I had just purchased a Pentium 133 and spent a grand on 32MB of ram. 2 months later ram prices halved. |
| 06:07.44 | Stevie | oh, they were on a Debian box |
| 06:07.50 | Stevie | the virtual machine was a UML instance |
| 06:07.54 | bucky | chino[lap]: man m-a |
| 06:08.06 | chino[lap] | im using it |
| 06:08.12 | Stevie | xtest: slack 4? |
| 06:08.20 | Azar | xtest: i am an AMD/nVidia guy, never go even near intel |
| 06:08.42 | Stevie | Azar: uhm. at the time you didn't really have AMD chips. |
| 06:09.04 | Azar | uh, I am using AMD for the past 12 years |
| 06:09.08 | xtest | stevie: not sure.... the pentiums were just out at that time. It would have been 1992/3. |
| 06:09.08 | Stevie | You had Via and Cyrix |
| 06:09.27 | xtest | Azar, do you have experience with the Opteron64s? |
| 06:09.36 | Coweater | amd has been putting out chips since the original pc |
| 06:09.44 | Stevie | xtest: well, this was 1999 for me :) I bought the machine off ebay for like $100 |
| 06:09.52 | chino[lap] | where do i get ftpfs-src? |
| 06:09.54 | Azar | xtest: no I did not ventured with the 64 yet because not many software/drivers were ready yet for it |
| 06:10.24 | Auzer | hmm, I just upgraded from 2.2.20 to 2.6.8 (initrd). Under the linux boot entry in lilo.conf, I added 'initrd=/initrd.img'. /initrd.img does point to the image (located in /boot). I reran lilo and rebooted, and now I get 'Lilo 2.2', then 'Loading Linux.........', then the system reboots |
| 06:10.40 | Azar | maybe now, but not even now I would venture... I can wait one more year for Etch to come out... then see how it does with drivers software |
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| 06:10.48 | xtest | I need to test it out for work... I want to see how oracle performs on the Opterons. |
| 06:10.52 | Stevie | xtest: I might be setting up a Sempron 64 machine soon. |
| 06:11.03 | Stevie | although I won't be using Oracle |
| 06:11.11 | Stevie | Pg maybe |
| 06:11.12 | Auzer | I can't seem to find any documentation suggesting doing anything other than making sure a ramdisk is used for booting, and I can't see any problem with how I've done it. I have loaded the installation again and mounted the drive (chrooted)... can anyone give me some direction? |
| 06:11.14 | Stevie | or BDB :) |
| 06:11.35 | Stevie | Auzer: what do you mean, 'a ramdisk is used for booting' ? |
| 06:11.56 | Auzer | Stevie 2.6.8 requires a ramdisk/the use of initrd |
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| 06:12.11 | Auzer | Stevie - I'm not sure of the proper way to say it, but I know it's different in that respect from 2.2.20 |
| 06:12.12 | xtest | Stevie, is the sempron the next generation? |
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| 06:12.32 | Stevie | sempron is the next generation duron |
| 06:12.36 | Stevie | i.e. the cheapies |
| 06:12.49 | Azar | Auzer: maybe this does not have importance but where exactly in lilo you inserted the initrd stanza ? |
| 06:13.00 | xtest | Ahh ok. I need to test the enterprise versions. |
| 06:13.09 | Stevie | you need more enterprise? |
| 06:13.18 | Stevie | go to www.thedailywtf.com for all the enterprise you'll ever need |
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| 06:13.36 | Auzer | Azar - above the first line commented in that stanza (so it's the last one) |
| 06:13.39 | xtest | Yeah. I run a data warehouse group and our machines are outdated. |
| 06:13.40 | gnu2it2 | anyone here use distcc in a cross platform fassion? |
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| 06:14.04 | Stevie | xtest: I'm going to build a networked machine to rip and store dvds on |
| 06:14.06 | Stevie | :D |
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| 06:14.21 | Azar | Auzer: like I said maybe this is not important but I inserted that line right below image=/vmlinuz |
| 06:14.29 | xtest | stevie, a pvr? |
| 06:14.33 | Stevie | no |
| 06:14.40 | Stevie | not a pvr. those record tv shows and stuff |
| 06:14.53 | Stevie | this is going to be a gigantic dvd store |
| 06:14.54 | Auzer | Azar - ah ok, will do |
| 06:14.54 | Azar | Auzer: then saved it and ran /sbin/lilo |
| 06:15.16 | xtest | right. are you going to encode the dvd's to mpg4? |
| 06:15.24 | Stevie | newp |
| 06:15.29 | Stevie | at least not initially |
| 06:15.34 | xtest | that's a cool project. |
| 06:15.49 | Stevie | So far I've specced about $650 in hardware :D |
| 06:15.59 | Stevie | including four 250GB SATA Seagates |
| 06:16.10 | xtest | It's amazing how cheap hardware is nowadays. |
| 06:16.31 | Stevie | for obvious reasons :) mega geek factor there |
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| 06:16.55 | xtest | I'm not sure I'd recommend RAID 0. |
| 06:17.03 | mkl1525 | Hi, I'm looking for something like a "knowledge base" system for our company. Two things are important: user and group rights (read, write, delete, etc.) and anonymous users shouldn't have to register first to see the normal stuff. Had a look at twiki (my favorit atm) but the configuration is a little bit confusing. egroupware and phpgroupware seem a little bit overdone for my aims. So any other recommendations for applications? |
| 06:17.06 | Stevie | but you can understand the temptation. 4 * 250gb == 1TB |
| 06:17.08 | xtest | If any of them goes... all the datais lost. |
| 06:17.11 | peterS | raid 0 is ok if you really need all that capacity, but raid 1 is faster for reads and a great deal safer |
| 06:17.21 | Stevie | massive capacity |
| 06:17.32 | xtest | true. |
| 06:17.34 | Stevie | I'm also going to use raid5, not raid0, for what should be equally obvious reasons |
| 06:17.35 | XoR_ | i recomend RAID 5 |
| 06:17.45 | peterS | right, raid 5 is reasonable |
| 06:18.04 | peterS | of course XoR_ would recommend it, the whole system is based on his algorithm |
| 06:18.07 | Stevie | I find an unusual level of appropriateness in someone named XOR recommending Raid 5 |
| 06:18.13 | Stevie | haha |
| 06:18.15 | peterS | Stevie: heh, you and me both |
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| 06:18.26 | xtest | A friend just mentioned that he bought a 1TB Maxtor external drive which can be configured for either raid 0 or raid 1. Total cost 750USD. |
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| 06:18.46 | Stevie | Hrm |
| 06:18.54 | Stevie | I could do that but also get an entire computer with that |
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| 06:19.09 | Stevie | and I just remembered, I wasn't going to go with the sempron after all, but the athlon 64 |
| 06:19.23 | peterS | Stevie: something to be said for an external box that you just plug into a scsi port and it doesn't drag down your power supply or tangle the cords inside your case |
| 06:19.32 | punsad | can I customize my x session based on if I login locally or from a broadcast xdm session? |
| 06:19.37 | Stevie | because with the 64 I had far more mobo choices available. I could get one with onboard video with a DVI port |
| 06:19.46 | punsad | by customize - i mean change the window manager |
| 06:19.46 | peterS | Stevie: ...or require extra cooling (that part is handled by the external box too) |
| 06:20.30 | xtest | mkl1525. I've also been thinking of doing something similar |
| 06:20.33 | punsad | I'd like to use something more lightweight if it's a remote X session |
| 06:20.38 | peterS | and it doesn't need a resync if your computer crashes or reboots unexpectedly, unless it's because the UPS failed |
| 06:20.41 | Stevie | punsad: in general the answer is usually 'yes, but it might take some work' |
| 06:21.02 | Stevie | punsad: are you connecting via xdm? |
| 06:21.02 | XoR_ | i user RAID5 with 3 SATAII HDD => xor:/home/xor# hdparm -t /dev/md0: |
| 06:21.02 | XoR_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.06 | peterS | I'd definitely value the externalness of a raid box at greater than $0. how much, I'm not sure. |
| 06:21.06 | xtest | from the small amount of time I've looked at it. For my needs a wiki is better suited. |
| 06:21.12 | punsad | yeah... I'm guessingI need to customize my .xsession file |
| 06:21.33 | Stevie | punsad: I think one of the alternatives (kdm/gdm) lets you pick what WM to use when you login |
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| 06:21.54 | young | when you update your kernel, should you reboot? |
| 06:21.54 | punsad | Stevie: that's a good point |
| 06:22.08 | liable | young: if you want to run said kernel, yes. :) |
| 06:22.20 | Stevie | young: You don't need to, but you have to in order to run the kernel. Unless you get fancy with kexec :) |
| 06:22.34 | young | ok |
| 06:22.35 | Azar | young: are you using lilo or grub? |
| 06:22.42 | Stevie | someone here who knows more about this stuff wanna help punsad? I use Windows on anything I need a GUI for |
| 06:23.05 | young | grub |
| 06:23.10 | xtest | stevie: make sure you consider the noise pollution of a media PC. |
| 06:23.12 | Azar | young: ok then you can reboot |
| 06:23.17 | young | ok |
| 06:23.29 | xtest | it can be annoying if it's in the same room. |
| 06:23.45 | Stevie | xtest: yeah. one of the reasons I'm annoyed that I can't go with a sempron (lower-power) CPU |
| 06:23.46 | Azar | punsad: like everyone here said: you get your WM whether you use kde or gnome but if you want something else try your chance with openbox3 |
| 06:23.50 | young | ok |
| 06:24.24 | Stevie | xtest: There's a mini-itx board coming out soon that has onboard gigabit eth; I might wait for that. |
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| 06:24.51 | Stevie | that or spend another $100 for a slk3700bqe |
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| 06:25.45 | Ashex | anyone got suggestions for a prism driver? |
| 06:26.06 | unstable | !prism |
| 06:26.06 | dpkg | [prism] at http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/wlan-ng-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_0.1.9-hh0_arm.ipk, or makers of very sharp racks |
| 06:26.27 | Stevie | very sharp rack => madonna? |
| 06:26.39 | Ashex | that link is dead :/ |
| 06:27.05 | Ashex | should be http://handhelds.org/~sjohnson/feed/wlan-ng-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_0.1.10-hh0_arm.ipk |
| 06:27.27 | unstable | http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Prism&zoek=Show |
| 06:27.58 | unstable | !prism |
| 06:27.58 | dpkg | methinks prism is http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Prism&zoek=Show |
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| 06:28.11 | Ashex | eh |
| 06:28.33 | Ashex | the wireless card I'm trying to use is phased out, and I can't find drivers for it's model |
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| 06:29.14 | Auzer | even with initrd=/initrd.img as the first line in the stanza, it still just reboots when it tries to load linux |
| 06:29.26 | argent | when i boot, gdm starts in some strange language. how do i change it to english? |
| 06:29.53 | unstable | argent: click on languages? |
| 06:30.01 | unstable | !gdm |
| 06:30.01 | dpkg | from memory, gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 06:30.09 | argent | unstable: that just changes the language for the session |
| 06:30.24 | nick|here | is there a package for xorg 7.0?? |
| 06:30.28 | unstable | !#gnome |
| 06:30.28 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 06:32.01 | liable | Auzer: can you paste lilo.conf to paster? |
| 06:32.09 | Azar | nick|here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 06:32.29 | wmhtet | has anyone been able to use linux as a router successfully? I have tried this instsruction http://www.linuxsolved.com/forums/ftopic115.html and it is still not workee for me |
| 06:32.53 | Azar | wmhtet: linux what? |
| 06:32.55 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.14 | wmhtet | azar: to use linux as internet sharing device |
| 06:33.31 | Azar | wmhtet: there are lots of linux versions, what OS are you using? |
| 06:33.43 | Azar | err linux distributions I ment |
| 06:33.45 | RazaMetaL | hi again, any one knows one repository for mplayer ? |
| 06:33.45 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.56 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.04 | nkuttler | RazaMetaL: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 06:34.12 | Azar | wmhtet: then you should read from debian documentation and manuals, not from "any" linux forum |
| 06:34.18 | liable | wmhtet: install ipmasq or shorewaal or something if you dont know how to write iptables rules. |
| 06:34.18 | RazaMetaL | nkuttler, thnkz |
| 06:34.22 | streuner_ | RazaMetaL: just use xine ;-) |
| 06:34.48 | Azar | wmhtet: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals << search here |
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| 06:35.06 | streuner_ | RazaMetaL: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 06:35.19 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.24 | Azar | wmhtet: what liable said, he knows better than me |
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| 06:36.13 | wmhtet | azar: thx you also for prompt reply :) |
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| 06:36.34 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.42 | unstable | wmhtet: What are you trying to do? |
| 06:36.59 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:37.39 | unstable | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 06:38.07 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.07 | unstable | the output interface is the nic with the mac address your landlord allows |
| 06:38.10 | unstable | Then set a static ip |
| 06:38.19 | unstable | portfowarding? |
| 06:38.23 | unstable | what are you talking about |
| 06:38.39 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.46 | unstable | Just type that command and you are done. |
| 06:38.56 | hstl | can anyone help me with this problem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2327 |
| 06:38.57 | mlask | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.19 | hstl | what'd be the problem of this? |
| 06:39.19 | unstable | !tell mlask about #gnome |
| 06:39.28 | wmhtet | unstable: if you take a look at the link I have provided you will see that I have tried that already, thx anyway tho |
| 06:39.39 | mlask | i'v been on #gnome, they send me here |
| 06:39.53 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.08 | mlask | they're sure you will know the answer ;) |
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| 06:40.24 | unstable | hstl: What video card are you using? |
| 06:40.39 | Azar | mlask: are you using Debian, what version ? did you installed / configured alsa ? |
| 06:40.41 | hstl | nvidia geforce4 mx400 |
| 06:40.51 | wmhtet | unstable: I cannot use laptop to connect to internet because its MAC address is not allowed to connect to internet |
| 06:41.00 | unstable | mlask: We don't, they made the software, we just repackaged it and changed some things. mlask ask them. |
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| 06:41.03 | mlask | debian unstable, gnome 2.12/2.14, alsa |
| 06:41.11 | unstable | wmhtet: I understand. |
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| 06:41.39 | hstl | unstable: it happened right after i rebooted from upgrading my kernel |
| 06:42.07 | mlask | all my audio app are working fine, i just can't find why "play music files when there is cursor above it" in nautilus menu doesn't work |
| 06:42.10 | unstable | hstl: type this as root "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
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| 06:42.17 | unstable | hstl: And you didn't answer my question very well. |
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| 06:42.28 | unstable | mlask: man nautilus |
| 06:42.29 | hstl | ? |
| 06:42.32 | hstl | nvidia geforce4 mx400 |
| 06:42.36 | unstable | mlask: /usr/share/doc/nautilus |
| 06:42.47 | unstable | hstl: Choose the "nv" driver. when it prompts you |
| 06:43.07 | hstl | why's that if there's "nvidia" |
| 06:43.15 | unstable | Is it nvidia? |
| 06:43.17 | Azar | hstl: there is not, is just "nv" |
| 06:43.18 | hstl | yeah |
| 06:43.28 | unstable | o, well then choose that. |
| 06:43.30 | hstl | there's "nvidia" n the list |
| 06:43.51 | unstable | hstl: actually choose nv |
| 06:43.54 | Azar | hstl: wow, hmm I never seen that in Sarge but ok, get nvidia |
| 06:43.57 | unstable | hstl: Did you compile nvidia driver? |
| 06:44.08 | unstable | Azar: I think he tried compiling nvidia driver. |
| 06:44.08 | hstl | yeah, i apt-get it |
| 06:44.12 | unstable | probably why gdm won't start. |
| 06:44.18 | hstl | brb |
| 06:44.23 | hstl | aight, let me reconfig this x real quick |
| 06:44.23 | Azar | well then he did not download, he apt it |
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| 06:44.36 | mlask | damn... the documentation for gnome really sucks :/ |
| 06:44.48 | Azar | hstl try using nvidia one liner: in here type /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 06:45.08 | unstable | mlask: Well instead of complaining about free software, why don't you fix the documentation and submit those patches to irc.gnome.org |
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| 06:45.23 | unstable | or submit them to the debian maintainer |
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| 06:45.34 | hstl | brb |
| 06:45.43 | unstable | Gnome Maintainer: Jordi Mallach <jordi@debian.org> |
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| 06:45.57 | mlask | but they have such stupid policy, they don't write in their docs about things which could "confuse" an user |
| 06:46.01 | unstable | mlask: That's a great way a non-programmer can help debian. And I'm sure Jordi would appreciate it. |
| 06:46.22 | Azar | mlask: :) hehe I do not even use gnome and I am soo much happier |
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| 06:46.31 | unstable | yea, gnome and kde suck donkey balls. |
| 06:46.34 | unstable | too bloated |
| 06:46.38 | unstable | ion/fluxbox > * |
| 06:46.41 | unstable | !start a window manager war |
| 06:46.42 | dpkg | fluxbox makes me vomit! |
| 06:46.50 | finn_ | yes |
| 06:46.56 | unstable | !start a window manager war |
| 06:46.57 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
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| 06:47.12 | argent | !start a windows manager war |
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| 06:47.19 | argent | !start a window manager war |
| 06:47.19 | dpkg | GNOME bites! |
| 06:47.27 | liable | !qotd30 |
| 06:47.27 | dpkg | methinks qotd30 is <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 06:47.39 | st3ph | Can anyone suggest a torrent GUI client ? |
| 06:47.40 | argent | !start a window manager war |
| 06:47.40 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
| 06:47.50 | liable | st3ph: bittornado |
| 06:47.51 | argent | st3ph: bittorrent |
| 06:47.53 | Azar | I put a nice background picture on my X , and use only openbox3 I have all I want here. |
| 06:47.55 | unstable | !transmission |
| 06:47.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, transmission is a free, lightweight BitTorrent client. It features a simple, intuitive interface on top on an efficient, cross-platform back-end. Transmission is open source (MIT license) and runs on Mac OS X (Cocoa interface), Linux/NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD (GTK+ interface) and BeOS/ZETA (native interface). http://transmission.m0k.org/ |
| 06:48.03 | argent | st3ph: or azerus |
| 06:48.20 | unstable | azureus is non-free he needs java and to change his sources.list |
| 06:48.27 | streuner_ | what are other video players, besides ogle, xine, mplayer or vlc? |
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| 06:48.34 | st3ph | thanks |
| 06:48.34 | peterS | totem |
| 06:48.52 | streuner_ | peterS: totem is a frontend to xine, so no. |
| 06:49.00 | peterS | streuner_: it's also a frontend to gstreamer, so yes |
| 06:49.01 | argent | kaffiene |
| 06:49.04 | unstable | streuner_: I think that's it. |
| 06:49.21 | streuner_ | !info totem |
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| 06:49.27 | hstl_ | ok |
| 06:49.27 | dpkg | totem: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop (dummy package)), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 06:49.34 | unstable | kaffiene is a front end for xine argent |
| 06:49.41 | peterS | !info totem-gstreamer |
| 06:49.44 | argent | oh |
| 06:49.45 | hstl_ | i restarted x and still get the same problem |
| 06:49.47 | dpkg | totem-gstreamer: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on gstreamer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1299 kB, Installed size: 4416 kB |
| 06:50.10 | unstable | mplayer is the best. |
| 06:50.10 | Azar | amaroK too ? |
| 06:50.13 | unstable | The rest suck. |
| 06:50.35 | unstable | !start a video player war |
| 06:50.41 | hstl_ | Azar: you're an evil |
| 06:50.51 | streuner_ | Azar: audio player |
| 06:50.56 | hstl_ | i was using 'stable', now its testing/unstable |
| 06:50.56 | Azar | ah |
| 06:50.58 | hstl_ | wtf? |
| 06:51.09 | hstl_ | you told me to: apt-get upgrade |
| 06:51.09 | liable | yum, chilli marinated mussels. |
| 06:51.12 | unstable | amarok plays video? |
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| 06:51.48 | Azar | well, I am against multimediazation by box, I will never use video or TV on it the less circus the less bugs and legal crap |
| 06:51.53 | gnufan | liable: its nearly 8am here stop with the marinated mussels your putting me off my breakfast |
| 06:51.57 | hstl_ | i think its about time to re-install debian |
| 06:52.00 | hstl_ | you think so? |
| 06:52.08 | unstable | Azar: What legal crap? |
| 06:52.19 | unstable | hstl_: Does something not work? |
| 06:52.22 | Azar | the trend of DRM-ization of linux |
| 06:52.29 | hstl_ | yes |
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| 06:52.33 | Azar | there is a attempt |
| 06:52.36 | hstl_ | << hstl |
| 06:52.43 | hstl_ | i got the same damn error |
| 06:52.43 | Azar | hstl_: what was going on? |
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| 06:52.47 | unstable | Azar: What attempt? |
| 06:52.48 | hstl_ | after i rebooted |
| 06:52.52 | liable | gnufan: its 1700 here, and they are fantastic washed down with beer :) |
| 06:53.02 | Azar | hstl_: question for you: |
| 06:53.02 | unstable | hstl_: Did you choose "nv" or "nvidia"? |
| 06:53.07 | hstl_ | nvidia |
| 06:53.11 | unstable | hstl_: no |
| 06:53.15 | unstable | Do it again, and choose "nv" |
| 06:53.15 | hstl_ | why? |
| 06:53.17 | Azar | hstl_: did you EVER attempted to install the nvidia driver from the nvidia site? |
| 06:53.25 | hstl_ | yes |
| 06:53.30 | Azar | hstl_: thats the crap |
| 06:53.31 | unstable | That's why your shit is broken |
| 06:53.34 | hstl_ | but it was unsuccessful |
| 06:53.37 | unstable | no kidding? |
| 06:53.40 | hstl_ | so id apt-get'ed it |
| 06:53.41 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a video player war is <reply> (vlc|mplayer|xine|ogle) (sucks|bites|blows|is so dreamy|is the ONLY video player to use|makes (M$|Mac) look (good|bad|ugly)|0wnz U|makes me vomit)! |
| 06:53.41 | dpkg | streuner_: okay |
| 06:53.42 | st3ph | Gnome seems to be a pretty lightwieght compared to Kde. Kde installs to many default applications and utilities, but also servers as an advantage. What is the major difference between Gnome and or Enlightenment? |
| 06:53.43 | Azar | hstl_: you will need to remove it and do the nvidia one-liner |
| 06:53.52 | hstl_ | what's the link again |
| 06:53.56 | unstable | hstl_: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and choose "nv" then reboot. |
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| 06:54.04 | Azar | someone has the sorensen's link for hstl_ ? |
| 06:54.10 | hstl_ | aight beb |
| 06:54.12 | hstl_ | brb* |
| 06:54.14 | Azar | hstl_: you need first to clean up |
| 06:54.28 | Azar | dpkg might have that link |
| 06:54.50 | Azar | unstable did your read the yesterday's news? |
| 06:55.50 | unstable | st3ph: type this as root "apt-get install xfce4" |
| 06:56.07 | Azar | unstable: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14264 |
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| 06:56.30 | liable | st3ph: you can just install kde-core or kde-base which installs a lot less crap |
| 06:56.38 | argent | how do i change my default login manager? |
| 06:56.50 | unstable | Azar: yes I read this. |
| 06:57.00 | Azar | and this after the other piece of shit news where ms is attempting to force manufacturers not to sell OS-less PCs |
| 06:57.00 | unstable | Azar: anyone can write articles and people will read them. |
| 06:57.01 | liable | argent: dpkg-reconfigure gdm|kdm|xdm |
| 06:57.20 | gnufan | !nvidia |
| 06:57.20 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 06:57.24 | unstable | Azar: Then legally can't force anything. Azar they are just encouraging aggresively. |
| 06:57.46 | unstable | Azar: relax, linux has been around a long time, so has windows. People need to start getting used to each other. |
| 06:57.47 | Azar | unstable: the common sense tells me the same, but I get boiling at what crap they can attempt |
| 06:57.57 | unstable | Azar: I'm with you. |
| 06:58.04 | unstable | Azar: I know all too well the shit they do. |
| 06:58.18 | unstable | They joined the odf commitee too last month. |
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| 06:58.25 | hstl_ | what's the command to reconfigure again? |
| 06:58.26 | Azar | who? |
| 06:58.26 | hstl_ | fuck |
| 06:58.29 | hstl_ | lol |
| 06:58.31 | hstl_ | my fault |
| 06:58.33 | unstable | hstl_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:58.36 | Hellmark[RS] | !kde |
| 06:58.36 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 06:59.07 | Azar | I hope hstl_ has cleaned and installed nvidia one-liner by now |
| 06:59.22 | hstl_ | my debian is messed up |
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| 06:59.28 | hstl_ | i think its bout time to reinstalled |
| 06:59.40 | hstl_ | which one is really the best for a beginner? |
| 06:59.43 | argent | liable: thanks |
| 06:59.43 | hstl_ | i was using stable |
| 06:59.45 | hstl_ | sarge |
| 06:59.49 | Azar | hstl_: if you do so, first write down what dpkg tells you about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:00.00 | gnufan | hstl_: sarge us best for beginners |
| 07:00.05 | Azar | hstl_: and also try installing with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 07:00.16 | hstl_ | but 2.6 isn't stable though |
| 07:00.17 | unstable | Azar: You know about odf? |
| 07:00.26 | Azar | unstable: no.. |
| 07:00.27 | hstl_ | i had nvidia driver working |
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| 07:00.45 | Azar | hstl_: 2.6 kernel is better for nvidia support |
| 07:00.58 | unstable | Azar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument |
| 07:00.59 | hstl_ | what's the latest version of debian? |
| 07:01.02 | gnufan | hstl_: not sure what you mean 2.6 isn't stable -- the 2.6 kernel in sarge is 2.6.8 I think, tried and tested |
| 07:01.12 | Azar | unstable: thanks going there |
| 07:01.24 | Azar | hstl_: Debian stable (Sarge) is 3.1 |
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| 07:01.52 | unstable | Azar: basically this format for documents, completely open. And governments want to use it, because it is a vendor nuetral standard, and people can distribute their documents and not have to worry that people who view the documents have to buy MS Office for 400 dollars |
| 07:02.04 | hstl_ | that's the latest? |
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| 07:02.12 | hstl_ | let me check out their site |
| 07:02.23 | gnufan | !tell hstl_ about releases |
| 07:02.27 | Azar | hstl_: unstable: you do not want to use it since you do not master basic Debian yet |
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| 07:02.31 | unstable | Azar: And this format is being adopted in many places, but it needs ISO approval(international standars organization) and microsoft has joined a commitee that is involved with approving ODF as a standard... |
| 07:02.39 | unstable | All the info should be on wikipedia. |
| 07:02.49 | gnufan | !tell hstl_ about grounding |
| 07:03.06 | Azar | ms needs to be boycotted, I am glad eu takes a rough stance at them |
| 07:04.04 | hstl_ | i was using ubuntu and didn't have any prob with it |
| 07:04.09 | Azar | is StarOffice Sun's baby? |
| 07:04.09 | hstl_ | then moved to debian |
| 07:04.10 | hstl_ | lol |
| 07:04.19 | hstl_ | and got all this probs |
| 07:04.25 | hstl_ | i love debian though |
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| 07:04.38 | gnufan | Azar: sun bought star office, and then made OpenOffice out of it. |
| 07:04.59 | Azar | hstl_: debian is for people who take the time, patience to read and learn. Ubuntu is for those who do not want to read and learn, just a quickie desktop: your choice |
| 07:05.26 | Azar | gnufan: no wonder my OpenOffice is incomplete unless I register hmmm... |
| 07:05.48 | cheal | Azar: see Wikipedia |
| 07:05.53 | holycow | Azar: wtf are you talking about? |
| 07:05.56 | Azar | cheal: I am on it |
| 07:06.01 | holycow | no registration required |
| 07:06.13 | Azar | holycow: I installed OpenOffice and lots of stuff help included are missing |
| 07:06.14 | hstl_ | anyway, time to reinstall debra and ian |
| 07:06.15 | hstl_ | :) |
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| 07:06.22 | holycow | Azar: its not missing |
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| 07:06.30 | holycow | Azar: you just didn't install the additional component |
| 07:06.35 | cheal | Azar: it would be nice if you would move your perception of Debian and other distros' audience to your blog |
| 07:06.35 | holycow | Azar: not only that |
| 07:06.40 | hstl_ | i just did: sudo rm -rf *.* |
| 07:06.42 | hstl_ | lol |
| 07:06.47 | Azar | holycow: no and when I tried, I got invited to register |
| 07:06.51 | holycow | Azar: not only is open office somewhat modularized, in breezy its a flaky beta |
| 07:06.58 | unstable | Azar: yea, EU kicks ass. |
| 07:07.01 | holycow | Azar: please stop saying crap |
| 07:07.03 | Azar | holycow: I do not use breezy |
| 07:07.07 | unstable | They made them unbundle windows media player and msn messenger. |
| 07:07.13 | unstable | They made them open up server protocols |
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| 07:07.23 | holycow | Azar: you click no an dkeep on going, registration has nothing to do with oo.org featureset |
| 07:07.25 | Azar | unstable: I want to see them paying 2 millions/day |
| 07:07.28 | unstable | They fined them almost a billion dollars soon. |
| 07:07.36 | unstable | Azar: They'll be paying it. |
| 07:07.38 | hstl_ | 3.1 is the stable/latest one? |
| 07:07.52 | unstable | And they are even threatening to fine them for vista.(Which didn't even come out yet) |
| 07:07.56 | cheal | !tell hstl_ about stable |
| 07:07.59 | Azar | hstl_: yes and when you install go for linux2.6 |
| 07:08.01 | peterS | so someone remind me why we're talking about Microsoft in a channel devoted to Debian? |
| 07:08.08 | unstable | Maybe they'll make MS put odf support in Office |
| 07:08.10 | hstl_ | Azar, how would i do that? |
| 07:08.11 | unstable | That would be great. |
| 07:08.18 | gnufan | unstable: the eu suck -- I think they are just milking them for money -- if they genuinely wanted to avoid a monopoly they'd purchase something else themselves |
| 07:08.22 | cheal | peterS: please forward that to me |
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| 07:08.31 | Azar | hstl_: when you start installation you get the chance to install with linux2.6 |
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| 07:08.41 | unstable | gnufan: You're probably right, but do you blame them? |
| 07:08.41 | hstl_ | someone here told to me to: sudo apt-get update then do apt-get upgrade, and that fucked up my debian |
| 07:08.45 | Azar | hstl_: the default install is with linux 2.4 |
| 07:08.49 | hstl_ | sorry bout my language |
| 07:09.04 | hstl_ | coz it takes like 5+ hours to reinstall |
| 07:09.06 | peterS | ATTENTION PLEASE. This channel is about Debian. Microsoft is off-topic. Thank you. |
| 07:09.08 | Azar | hstl_: you need to learn about apt configuration |
| 07:09.25 | Azar | peterS: we stopped I am trying to help hstl_ |
| 07:09.31 | holycow | hstl its debian, it should be easy to fix, and the instructions given to you are correct |
| 07:09.38 | gnufan | hstl_: "fucked up" is a tad vague (and rude).... what went wrong precisely, as even if you reinstall you'll want the latest patches |
| 07:09.51 | hstl_ | [03:08] <hstl_> sorry bout my language |
| 07:10.03 | ootput | hi guys, i'm experiencing some strangeness with my ssh connections: If i were to ssh into a shell account, I'd always seem to get a "xset: unable to open display ":0" message at random times |
| 07:10.08 | ootput | none of my shell config files mention xset |
| 07:10.23 | Azar | hstl_: in your /etc/ there is the /etc/apt/sources.list file: it contains url sources for your packages. read about apt first here: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 07:10.33 | hstl_ | i know that Azar |
| 07:10.55 | Azar | hstl_: if you know that how the f... you screwed up at apt-get update/upgrade? |
| 07:10.56 | hstl_ | i edited my sources.list and added some links, etc |
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| 07:11.02 | hstl_ | no |
| 07:11.15 | hstl_ | it upgraded my kernel to unstable from stable |
| 07:11.21 | hstl_ | by just doing apt-get upgrade |
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| 07:11.39 | Azar | hstl_: when you add "some f.... links" they should point to your Debian Sarge repositories, not anywhere else |
| 07:11.47 | Azar | you apt-get upgraded to other shit |
| 07:12.06 | gnufan | ootput: since I never heard of the xset error before.... I'm thinking maybe it has been added to ~/.profile ~/.bashrc.... does it happen when you ssh in as a dfferent user? |
| 07:12.08 | hstl_ | i think im just gonna install. its 3:11AM and and im not sleeping til i get debra working |
| 07:12.09 | Azar | hstl_: no wonder, your system became unstable, do you want it unstable? |
| 07:12.14 | hstl_ | no sir |
| 07:12.17 | holycow | hstl its not possible to do that unless you change repositories |
| 07:12.20 | Azar | then stick with stable |
| 07:12.29 | hstl_ | ok |
| 07:12.35 | hstl_ | thanks for the advice |
| 07:12.42 | liable | ootput: you have x forwadring enabled for ssh? |
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| 07:12.52 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 07:12.52 | hstl_ | first of all, which ISO should i download and burn |
| 07:12.53 | ootput | gnufan: i only have one shell account under that user. But ssh'ing into a different host (with a diff shell account) doesnt give me the problem |
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| 07:13.04 | holycow | hstl_: what were you expecting from a release meant ONLY for developers? |
| 07:13.10 | elPepo | please, how do I can change MOTD message in Etch? |
| 07:13.11 | hstl_ | no |
| 07:13.29 | gnufan | ootput: how much do you know about what gets run when you login? |
| 07:13.31 | ootput | liable: yeah, i was told that that could be it, but my config (/etc/sshd/*, .ssh/) either have it commented out, or set to 'no' |
| 07:13.39 | hstl_ | which ISO should i download? |
| 07:13.42 | ootput | gnufan: you mean on the server side? |
| 07:13.50 | hstl_ | there are like 20+ iso files |
| 07:14.05 | ootput | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.15 | gnufan | ootput: I'm thinking if it is random moments it is probably in one of the shell start-up scripts. Alternatively you could "ssh -X" in and see if it does anything interesting. |
| 07:14.17 | hstl_ | Azar? |
| 07:14.22 | hstl_ | mind if you help? |
| 07:14.32 | holycow | hstl just get the sarge web installer |
| 07:14.50 | hstl_ | sarge installer? |
| 07:14.51 | gnufan | hstl_: did you read the install guide -- it is really good |
| 07:15.09 | hstl_ | i download the netinstall one |
| 07:15.20 | holycow | thats teh one |
| 07:15.27 | holycow | its all you need |
| 07:15.28 | hstl_ | and i got this one: debian-31r1-i386-binary-1 |
| 07:16.25 | hstl_ | http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:16.28 | hstl_ | check that out |
| 07:16.34 | hstl_ | which one is right for me? |
| 07:16.41 | Azar | hstl_: yes I was away a bit |
| 07:16.46 | hstl_ | its ok |
| 07:16.57 | holycow | debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso <-- easiest one to use |
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| 07:17.10 | Azar | hstl_: I never downloaded/burned listen to holycow he might know |
| 07:17.11 | holycow | well... if you have high speed internet access |
| 07:17.21 | hstl_ | yes i do |
| 07:17.33 | hstl_ | then what's with: debian-31r1-i386-binary-1? |
| 07:17.34 | holycow | just use that, it will download all the packages you select at install |
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| 07:18.03 | hstl_ | ic |
| 07:18.11 | holycow | thats just the 1st cd of the WHOLE debian release |
| 07:18.23 | holycow | if you get all 14 cd's you have the whole distribution |
| 07:18.25 | hstl_ | oh |
| 07:18.28 | hstl_ | lol |
| 07:18.30 | hstl_ | ic |
| 07:18.32 | holycow | for i386 architecture |
| 07:18.43 | hstl_ | let me cop netinstall real quick |
| 07:18.50 | holycow | you should be able to do a base install with that first cd but why bother ... just get netinstall and download the rest |
| 07:18.59 | Azar | hstl_: install only the 1st CD, base, with the linux2.6 you can apt-get the rest later |
| 07:18.59 | hstl_ | word |
| 07:19.37 | hstl_ | when can i get 2.6 if stable is 2.4? |
| 07:20.03 | Azar | hstl_: the way it goes at installation time you select or type : linux2.6 |
| 07:20.03 | hstl_ | coz i was using 2.4 stable |
| 07:20.15 | hstl_ | k |
| 07:21.15 | holycow | that should be it yes |
| 07:21.24 | hstl_ | what are you using then Azar? |
| 07:21.25 | liable | very OT but pretty funny, you can move him with your mouse. http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm |
| 07:21.39 | Azar | hstl_: I installed the old Debian, Woody then upgraded to Sarge |
| 07:21.46 | hstl_ | oh |
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| 07:23.03 | Azar | hstl_: the 2 major things that you care immediately after install: 1. to have a 2.6.8 kernel; 2. to groom your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:23.19 | hstl_ | yeah |
| 07:23.26 | hstl_ | you're right |
| 07:24.09 | hstl_ | i was tryin to install gento but no, i was 20+ early to do that |
| 07:24.13 | hstl_ | gentoo* |
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| 07:25.14 | Azar | hstl_: your sources.list should not have more than max 4 url sources: an url source is made up of 3 parts: the url address + version ( /stable) + /main non-free contrib ( at the end for nvidia driver purpose) |
| 07:25.21 | holycow | gentoo is cool, debian is easier and for me anyway the right way to do things |
| 07:25.59 | holycow | i have a friend that loves freebsd and just gets a kick from compiling everything |
| 07:26.19 | holycow | yet when he needs a desktop he spends 5 days compiling kde |
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| 07:27.09 | Azar | hstl_: here is an example of how your sources should look like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 07:27.25 | hstl_ | ic |
| 07:27.51 | hstl_ | i had like 4 urls |
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| 07:28.57 | Azar | hstl_: one url is for security packages allways. It is best to have only 2 or 3 as it cuts down the time of search/install |
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| 07:29.52 | deadcat | is there a problem compiling ipw2100 with the 2.6.8 kernel in testing or something? |
| 07:30.10 | Azar | holycow: is sarge installation coming with x-server, or it has to be installed later (base installation) ? |
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| 07:30.30 | holycow | depends on what you select via installer |
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| 07:30.39 | holycow | you do have the optin to install desktop if you like |
| 07:30.44 | sun_ | hi, i've a small crontab question |
| 07:31.27 | Azar | deadcat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/03/msg00384.html |
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| 07:31.42 | deadcat | Azar: thanks |
| 07:32.06 | sun_ | how to run a program as another user, from crontab? |
| 07:32.30 | peterS | sun_: use a per-user crontab file. su to the appropriate user and type 'crontab -e' |
| 07:32.30 | deadcat | Azar: not load. compile though |
| 07:33.17 | peterS | sun_: or, in /etc/cron.d/* (and /etc/crontab, but you normally don't need to edit that one), there is a username field, unlike all the other crontab files |
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| 07:33.39 | holycow | wow did someone do a cleanup on this chan? |
| 07:33.42 | sun_ | peterS, ah, thanks! |
| 07:33.44 | holycow | its really friendly again :) |
| 07:33.54 | holycow | btw, heya peterS |
| 07:34.14 | peterS | holycow: oh hi there. don't know if it's friendly because of the time of day, or what |
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| 07:35.03 | Azar | time of the day: it is not Sunday yet |
| 07:35.14 | holycow | i'll wait and see |
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| 07:35.21 | sjr | Hmmmm Question |
| 07:35.29 | sjr | I notice that if I type ls |
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| 07:35.33 | sjr | well ls -asl |
| 07:35.36 | sjr | in / |
| 07:35.39 | holycow | i've learned to become nicer in other chans :) ehe |
| 07:35.41 | peterS | of course it's not Sunday yet. on Sunday the channel isn't friendly so much as *stupid* |
| 07:35.41 | sjr | it takes a REALLY long time to complete |
| 07:35.49 | holycow | ha! |
| 07:36.31 | Azar | well I noticed my mind going blank on certain days of the week so I learned to test myself before getting in here |
| 07:36.47 | Azar | .. and stopped drinking |
| 07:37.01 | holycow | hehe :) drinking while ircing |
| 07:37.23 | hstl_ | is it same to apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:37.37 | sun_ | peterS, when crontab executes commands, does it do so /as/ the user who created the crontab file? |
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| 07:37.46 | hstl_ | like it happened to me, it upgraded from stable to testing/unstable |
| 07:38.11 | peterS | sun_: yes, anything else would be a rather gaping security hole |
| 07:38.29 | peterS | "hey, I'll create a crontab file with arbitrary shell commands in it for cron to run *as someone else*" |
| 07:38.41 | sun_ | peterS, hehe yeah. i was afraid I would screw something up if it ran as root |
| 07:38.45 | sjr | What run level does my computer boot into |
| 07:39.02 | peterS | sjr: type '/sbin/runlevel' and find out |
| 07:39.04 | unix_infidel | anyone own a targus defcon lock with the motion detector? |
| 07:39.20 | unix_infidel | or know any pcmcia cards that work as alarms that are debian compatible? |
| 07:39.23 | sjr | I'm trying to get a script to run before it attempts to ifup my ethernet cards |
| 07:39.28 | unix_infidel | (w/ motion detector of course) |
| 07:40.01 | peterS | sjr: you can use a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces for this |
| 07:40.22 | Azar | hstl_: only in case you change your sources.list from / stable stanza to / testing or / unstable. Stay with / stable there and you can update/upgrade for security packages all the time |
| 07:40.22 | peterS | sjr: 'man 5 interfaces' for details, but briefly, a line beginning with pre-up executes a shell command just before a given interface comes up |
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| 07:41.05 | JeffH | any chance postgresql 8.0 will be added to stable before the next full release? |
| 07:41.12 | peterS | JeffH: nope |
| 07:41.15 | Azar | hstl_: I told you , that you have not READ the apt primer to learn. He who does not reads does not knows, he who does not know, dies stupid |
| 07:41.21 | JeffH | damn. |
| 07:41.42 | JeffH | and the next release probably isn't gonna be for a few years knowing debian, right? |
| 07:41.50 | peterS | JeffH: stable means does not change except to fix really really serious bugs. you may, however, have some luck checking http://backports.org/ for this sort of thing, on an unofficial basis |
| 07:42.04 | peterS | JeffH: the next release is scheduled for December 2006. we shall see if we can hit that target |
| 07:42.14 | Azar | JeffH: not years, but months. Afterall long delay in release is not only Debian's habit |
| 07:42.16 | liable | JeffH: you mean added to etch? |
| 07:42.29 | holycow | JeffH: to be perfectly honest, 6 month release cycles WITH oodles of funding (say like ubuntu) aren't a picnic either |
| 07:42.59 | Azar | quick releases only generates quickies. I do not like quickies on my box |
| 07:43.04 | holycow | JeffH: the stability of debian is refreshing |
| 07:43.20 | peterS | JeffH: oh, postgresql-8.0 is in etch (the release scheduled for December), what I meant is that there is no chance that it will go into sarge (the current release). |
| 07:43.26 | JeffH | I'm just stuck in a situation where I have a windows postgresql database I want to migrate to linux.. but the two versions are different. |
| 07:43.39 | JeffH | nod. |
| 07:43.45 | holycow | quick release cycles are fairly intense for users, unless you are a power user and really get a kick out of that sort of thing |
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| 07:44.11 | holycow | JeffH: no reason you cant compile and package your own version of postgres on your own terms for debian |
| 07:44.24 | holycow | JeffH: thats the beauty of it, you actually arent stuck |
| 07:44.31 | holycow | and secondly its not e ven that hard |
| 07:44.34 | tech | hello |
| 07:44.36 | LordNazgul | since we are on the topic of releases has there been any discussion as to what character testing will be once etche becomes stable? |
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| 07:44.42 | Azar | JeffH: many already are using Etch by now or using backports for needed applications |
| 07:44.43 | JeffH | holycow: you're right.. but as someone else said.. the stability of debian is refreshing. |
| 07:44.49 | holycow | i said that |
| 07:44.51 | holycow | :) |
| 07:45.00 | Auzer | will apache and mysql be usable on a 200mhz with 128M? (single user, just for tooling around with mysql and php) |
| 07:45.04 | sun_ | how can you invoke "bash -c ..." such that environment variables like $HOME, $USER are available to ... ? |
| 07:45.16 | Auzer | just wondering how bad the performance on it should be (without X or anything extra running at all) |
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| 07:45.38 | JeffH | I guess I'll live with this postresql database on my windows machine for a while. |
| 07:45.52 | holycow | JeffH: its a database, compiling something like mysql or postgres usually doesn't require any system changes at all ... why not try? |
| 07:46.07 | holycow | i wouldn't, i would just compile one tonight and setup a debian box |
| 07:46.14 | LordNazgul | auzer, my guess is not too bad. ive got a 400mhz with 196mb and it all runs well, including x and a bunch of other stuff |
| 07:46.19 | JeffH | holycow: well, for one, I have no development tools on this machine.. it's a bare bones server. |
| 07:46.25 | cheal | Auzer: ask #apache and #mysql |
| 07:46.37 | cheal | Auzer: of course, they can only tell you to try it |
| 07:46.51 | holycow | JeffH: *nod* one needs to invest in proper staging servers, testing environments and dev environments *nod* |
| 07:46.55 | dino4k | Auzer: should run well - use apache1 not 2 |
| 07:46.55 | Auzer | cheal - I asked here because I have it installed, but had several problems during installation and it seems very slow |
| 07:46.56 | peterS | sun_: if you're talking about cron jobs, cron only exports certain variables, you just have to live with that, unless you want to define specific other variables in the crontab file |
| 07:47.29 | LordNazgul | auzer top is your friend |
| 07:47.33 | sun_ | peterS, how can i define variables in the crontab file? |
| 07:47.33 | Auzer | when I installed mysql-server, it puked and did something funny with my drives (showed like -78347832958k on the drive when I used df) |
| 07:47.45 | peterS | sun_: man 5 crontab |
| 07:47.45 | JeffH | wow, here I expected the answer of, "well put them on there" haha |
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| 07:47.51 | sun_ | peterS, :-) |
| 07:48.08 | Auzer | I have it installed and working, and I'm on a LAN with the machine (no X or anything running), and it's basically dialup-speed just loading PMA |
| 07:48.11 | hstl_ | Azar, now booting off the cd |
| 07:48.36 | holycow | JeffH: debian by its very nature demands that one learns and reads ... generally even newbs clue in eventually :) |
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| 07:49.01 | Auzer | dino4k - thanks for that advice, I'm going to go uninstall apache 2 and see if 1 is better |
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| 07:49.34 | dino4k | Auzer: apache2 needs more memory, so for boxes with low mem its better to use 1 |
| 07:49.49 | Auzer | hmm, mysql looks like it's being a bit of a hog |
| 07:50.24 | Auzer | 10.8% of the memory, like 8-10 processes |
| 07:50.32 | Azar | hstl_: good if you get the chance, type linux2.6 to start with |
| 07:50.49 | dino4k | Auzer: did you look into the cfgs? |
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| 07:51.49 | Auzer | dino4k - /etc/mysql/my.cnf and /etc/mysql/debian.cnf? they look ok, I didn't critique the memory much though, I was looking for something that might specify how many processes could run |
| 07:52.05 | Auzer | since with the machine not doing anything, and no one on it, that seemed to be a high number of processes |
| 07:52.08 | LordNazgul | auzer that seems about right. on my box mysql takes 11.5% and that is with 196mb memory |
| 07:52.15 | zu22 | is there secure debian distro anyone has put together (SeLinux bundled etc.) |
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| 07:52.36 | Auzer | but why so many separate processes? is that normal? (let me count them, one sec) |
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| 07:53.00 | cheal | zu22: selinux is in Debian |
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| 07:53.08 | ootput | do any of you have a shell script (or any other) that reads in the contents of the directory, and if it finds any code source files (for instance *.c), and generates a Makefile? |
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| 07:53.47 | dino4k | Auzer: sry, i didnt have mysql isntalled because i didn't use it anymore - but i think there are some options to reduce the mem usage |
| 07:53.57 | hstl_ | is 'swap' should be primary or logical? |
| 07:54.19 | Azar | hstl_: primary |
| 07:54.25 | hstl_ | k |
| 07:54.36 | dino4k | Auzer: as long you didn't have any swap usage - it should be ok :) |
| 07:54.42 | zu22 | cheal: i was just citing that as one example, i'm wondering if there is any debian distro on par with openbsd in terms of security out-of-the-box |
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| 07:58.33 | Auzer | hmm |
| 07:58.37 | Auzer | yeah 10 processes |
| 07:58.54 | Auzer | are they sharing that 10.8%, or are they each using the same amount? |
| 07:59.05 | cheal | zu22: hehe |
| 07:59.28 | Auzer | they all have different IDs... and 10x10.8% is 108%... which doesn't make sense. On the other hand, I'm not sure why it's SO slow if it's only using 11% |
| 08:01.14 | zu22 | :P |
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| 08:02.20 | libik | ootput: you figure out what you needed ? |
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| 08:04.26 | Intoxicator | 'morning |
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| 08:06.47 | ootput | libik: not yet |
| 08:06.52 | ootput | libik: sorry for the late reply |
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| 08:12.33 | deadcat | ootput: metawire still sucking eh? |
| 08:12.45 | ootput | deadcat: :`( |
| 08:13.04 | Intoxicator | my 2.6.12 kernel seems to lack support for inotify, at least that's what some apps claim. in .config i can't find any setting, relating to inotify, and apt-cache search inotify doesn't show likely installation candidates. what do i need? |
| 08:13.05 | deadcat | ootput: didnt they say like 1week downtime only? i think they fled the country (= |
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| 08:13.11 | ootput | deadcat: hehehe |
| 08:13.56 | hstl_ | i chose ftp.debian.org and i didn't know it was dead |
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| 08:14.53 | Shadur | Intoxicator: You need a more recent kernel. |
| 08:15.36 | ootput | deadcat: any changes with your screenies? |
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| 08:15.36 | Shadur | shadur@bahamut:~/ > grep -i notify /boot/config-2.6.16.1 |
| 08:15.36 | Shadur | CONFIG_INOTIFY=y |
| 08:15.36 | ootput | deadcat: oh, i went back to profont, so it's less ugly :) |
| 08:15.42 | Intoxicator | Shadur :( ... 56 kbit modem dial-in, lol |
| 08:15.58 | inc|freaky | hi all. can anyone help me disabling my onbord soundcard with alsa? (it isnt possible over the BIOS) ... i want to use another pci soundcard ... |
| 08:16.03 | Eulex | Intoxicator, inotify was included in the vanilla kernel in 2.6.13 |
| 08:16.27 | inc|freaky | or, at least change my pci soundcard to be the default soundcard? |
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| 08:16.52 | Eulex | inc|freaky, run alsaconf, choose your pci soundcard |
| 08:16.53 | Shadur | Intoxicator: so? Download the 2.6.13, 2.6.14, 2.6.15, 2.6.16 and 2.6.16.1 patches. |
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| 08:17.09 | Shadur | Still a long download, but not nearly as much as a whole new kernel source tree. |
| 08:17.29 | deadcat | ootput: haha. nah. still same stuff. waiting for Xgl to hit (= |
| 08:17.30 | Intoxicator | shadur. true enough. i better get going |
| 08:17.33 | cahoot | inc|freaky: add : options sind-emu10k1(or whatever) index=0 (to /etc/modprobe.d/sound or alsa-base) |
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| 08:17.55 | Garda | hey guys. does anyone know if there's going to be a v3.1r2 soon |
| 08:18.00 | cahoot | inc|freaky: err options snd-emu10k1(or whatever) index=0 |
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| 08:18.13 | inc|freaky | cahoot: what is snd-emu10k1? |
| 08:18.25 | ootput | Garda: what are you after in the changelog? |
| 08:18.39 | cahoot | inc|freaky: substitute for your cards alsa module |
| 08:19.34 | Garda | no, it's just that i wanted to update my dvd and i thought, should i make one now, or upgrade after the next release |
| 08:19.39 | inc|freaky | how do i find out, which soundcards i have? |
| 08:19.55 | Eulex | inc|freaky, lspci, alsaconf |
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| 08:21.17 | argent | is there any good guide on creating debs? |
| 08:21.22 | argent | !debs |
| 08:21.22 | dpkg | No debs for a package? just install the junk into /usr/local/ for convenience |
| 08:21.30 | inc|freaky | Eulex: how to install alsaconf? |
| 08:21.32 | inc|freaky | it isnt installed |
| 08:21.42 | Eulex | !alsa oneliner |
| 08:21.46 | Eulex | !alsa-oneliner |
| 08:21.49 | Eulex | bah |
| 08:21.58 | JeffH | I'm adding backports to my sources.list file.. the backports.org instructions say to add stuff to /etc/apt/preferences to deactivate all packages from backports.. but when I do an apt-get update/upgrade it want to install a new bash and makedev what am I missing? |
| 08:22.02 | cahoot | alsa one-liner? |
| 08:22.18 | Eulex | yeah |
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| 08:22.27 | Eulex | !alsa one-liner |
| 08:22.27 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 08:22.36 | Eulex | inc|freaky, ^^ |
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| 08:25.34 | inc|freaky | alsa-base and alsa-utils are installed, theres no alsaconf though. |
| 08:25.52 | inc|freaky | umm, i know which sounddriver ... i set that option ... do i h ave to restart now? |
| 08:25.59 | inc|freaky | i restarted alsa but the snd-card is still 1 and not 0 |
| 08:26.13 | Eulex | inc|freaky, you need to be root to run alsaconf. |
| 08:26.20 | inc|freaky | i am root |
| 08:26.34 | Eulex | then if you haven't got alsaconf, something's b0rked |
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| 08:27.21 | Eulex | inc|freaky, dpkg -L alsa-utils|grep alsaconf? |
| 08:28.22 | inc|freaky | im rebooting right now |
| 08:28.28 | Eulex | ah, ok |
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| 08:35.01 | parsonsd | when i browse to some certain sites with non-latin (non-ISO?) chars (such as the names in http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals under Debian Reference), the browser provides a funny looking char to indicate the hex code. How do I get it to provide the appropriate non-latin char? is it merely a language package i must install? A setting on either browser? Both? |
| 08:35.33 | inc|freaky | i think i just found the setting to disable the soundcard in the bios :D |
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| 08:36.01 | Coweater | parsonsd: a font should be all |
| 08:36.16 | inc|freaky | yea it worked :D |
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| 08:36.45 | parsonsd | coweater: all? where? |
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| 08:39.08 | Eulex | parsonsd, fully depends on the language of the page you're visiting. |
| 08:39.30 | Eulex | parsonsd, you'd need a font that has the right glyphs |
| 08:39.41 | eleftherios | how can I set my consoles to be utf-8? |
| 08:39.43 | Coweater | depends what characters you want to see, i don't know enough to differentiate, but it's either japanese or chinese characters, do an apt-cache search for Chinese or Japanese and TrueType (assuming you're using a browser that uses truetype fonts) |
| 08:39.47 | eleftherios | and will this cause me any problems? |
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| 08:40.40 | eleftherios | oops, I joust found a howto: http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/howto.html |
| 08:40.44 | eleftherios | :-) |
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| 08:41.12 | hstl_ | which mirror is fast and always up-to-date? |
| 08:41.20 | hstl_ | ftp.debian.org is down |
| 08:41.29 | Coweater | pick one |
| 08:41.40 | hstl_ | sometimes i couldn't connect to ftp.us.debian.org is down |
| 08:41.45 | Coweater | they made a list for a reason |
| 08:41.45 | hstl_ | -is down |
| 08:41.51 | ootput | deadcat: i've got a recent screenshot that i could imageshack or something |
| 08:41.51 | hstl_ | which one though? |
| 08:41.52 | peterS | hstl_: mirrors.kernel.org has a pretty good reputation |
| 08:42.17 | parsonsd | i'm using either mozilla or epiphany |
| 08:42.34 | inc|freaky | yea sound works :D |
| 08:42.40 | parsonsd | the source of the debian page says it is using iso-8859-1 |
| 08:42.55 | Eulex | they've got lotsa bandwidth :) |
| 08:42.57 | parsonsd | the browser says it is displaying the same |
| 08:43.18 | hstl_ | is it up-to-date? |
| 08:43.28 | parsonsd | yet the glyphs for the japanese name aren't visible |
| 08:43.45 | parsonsd | i suppose i shouldn't care, since I cannot read japanese, but... |
| 08:43.52 | Coweater | parsonsd: indeed, but i don't think those characters even exist in iso-8859-1, however they do work and the only thing i have done is install the appropriate fonts |
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| 08:44.29 | parsonsd | coweater. ah. okay. i'll browse the fonts in dselect |
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| 08:44.52 | strav | ... I'm currently trying to setup my system (dns, mx records, bind and sendmail) to receive mails via my direct connection... If someone could clarify the process a bit, would be much appreciated. |
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| 08:51.02 | ootput | deadcat: http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=currentscreen5ww.png |
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| 08:55.47 | k-man_ | is there any debs of apache 2.2 anywhere? |
| 08:56.27 | peterS | k-man_: they'll hit experimental Real Soon Now. this is what I was told about 2 months ago (: |
| 08:56.36 | k-man_ | oh |
| 08:56.38 | k-man_ | right |
| 08:56.40 | k-man_ | *sigh* |
| 08:56.47 | k-man_ | so there is no 3rd party ones? |
| 08:56.52 | Kovecses | time to compile |
| 08:56.54 | peterS | don't know |
| 08:57.05 | k-man_ | yeah, i might have to compile it myself |
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| 08:57.10 | peterS | apparently the official ones were just waiting for adam conrad to get around to writing some READMEs for them |
| 08:57.15 | k-man_ | i wonder how hard it is to install from scratch? |
| 08:57.27 | peterS | this is what adam told me |
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| 08:57.31 | k-man_ | oh |
| 08:57.48 | eleftherios | bah...utf-8 is still a sad story :-( |
| 08:57.57 | peterS | yes, I'm eager to see apache 2.2 in debian too |
| 08:58.00 | k-man_ | yeah |
| 08:58.00 | peterS | in some form |
| 08:58.01 | k-man_ | me too |
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| 08:58.10 | k-man_ | it has large file support |
| 08:58.12 | k-man_ | apparantly |
| 08:58.17 | peterS | yep, it does |
| 08:58.37 | peterS | it will also cause major disruption as all third-party apache2 modules will need to be recompiled, and in some cases hacked on a bit |
| 08:58.41 | k-man_ | is there any other web servers that have large file support and are apt-get-able? |
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| 08:58.58 | peterS | don't know |
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| 08:59.10 | k-man_ | peters, can't apache2.2 just be a different apache version or something? |
| 08:59.20 | k-man_ | cant it sit next to apaache2? |
| 08:59.40 | peterS | k-man_: not worth it, you wouldn't want to run both. so they'll have it just replace what they've got there now. |
| 08:59.52 | k-man_ | ok |
| 09:00.05 | holycow | anyone here have vmware server beta2 running on sarge? |
| 09:00.07 | peterS | for one thing, you don't want third-party module maintainers to have to arrange to build each module for both versions |
| 09:00.25 | peterS | speaking as a third-party module maintainer, *I* do not want to have to do this! |
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| 09:01.17 | peterS | (it's almost impossible in my case - don't really want to get into the details, but suffice it to say I will *not* support multiple apache versions at once) |
| 09:01.32 | k-man_ | ok |
| 09:01.45 | k-man_ | sounds pretty horrible |
| 09:01.48 | peterS | (and, come to think of it, the same problem I'm thinking of applies to other module maintainers too - it'd be just as hard for them as for me) |
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| 09:04.31 | Intoxicator | i am downloading kernel source patches from vanilla 2.6.12 to something more recent, from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/old/, with analog modem dial-in. is it enough to download the first patch of every new release, such as http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/old/patch-2.6.13-git1.bz2, or do i have to grab all patches? |
| 09:05.11 | Kovecses | Intoxicator: you may not need any patches |
| 09:05.15 | peterS | Intoxicator: ignore the "snapshots", just get patch-2.6.13.bz2, patch-2.6.14.bz2, patch-2.6.15.bz2 from the main directory |
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| 09:07.30 | Intoxicator | what is the main dir? because of the thousands of files in the "old" dirs, it takes several minutes to open one of them, to have a look. which seriously impedes my ability to browse through the dirs. |
| 09:07.47 | peterS | Intoxicator: http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 09:08.10 | k-man_ | so would compiling and installing apache2.2 be a pain in the butt? |
| 09:08.23 | peterS | k-man_: it might or might not. I haven't looked at it. |
| 09:08.34 | Intoxicator | thanks, peterS |
| 09:08.44 | k-man_ | ill download it and have a go |
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| 09:10.18 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 09:10.30 | elPepo | please, how do I use reiser4 in Etch? |
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| 09:10.54 | Intoxicator | lol... just 2 hours to go for the 2.6.13 patch ... |
| 09:11.19 | Intoxicator | almost there :) |
| 09:11.34 | elPepo | and How do I use the patch? |
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| 09:14.52 | k-man_ | does the apache make install put things in different places to the debian install of apache? |
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| 09:15.48 | peterS | probably |
| 09:16.00 | peterS | most software does |
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| 09:16.32 | govner | what p2p you guys recommand for linux? |
| 09:16.48 | holycow | if i have a debian box running, and would like a fresh reinstall ... is it possible to do this over ssh? |
| 09:16.59 | ghenry | anyone recommend anything for doing IMAP shared folders? I have only found courier-imap |
| 09:17.08 | holycow | or even, what is the name of the debian redhat like kickstart project? |
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| 09:23.52 | tarzeau | someone tried brutalchess yet? |
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| 09:24.12 | tarzeau | holycow: see the documentation, debian-installer has features for that |
| 09:24.29 | holycow | tarzeau: k,will do |
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| 09:31.31 | flosch | hi |
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| 09:34.12 | liable | hola |
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| 09:37.33 | hstl | how am i gon be able to download non-free packages? |
| 09:37.42 | hstl | what do i add to my sources.list? |
| 09:37.55 | azeem | hstl: "non-free" |
| 09:38.07 | hstl | what's the complete line |
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| 09:38.28 | azeem | you just replace "main" with "main non-free" |
| 09:38.35 | azeem | for any ftp.*.debian.org line |
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| 09:39.12 | bliss1_ | hi |
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| 09:39.49 | bliss1_ | need a little help with sarge install on labtop |
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| 09:40.33 | Shadowcat | how new is the laptop? |
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| 09:40.43 | bliss1_ | instlled base system need to confiure from prompt as not detecting keyboard |
| 09:41.02 | ndazza | hi! any way to forcibly remove the ipv6 module without rebooting the system? |
| 09:41.03 | bliss1_ | shadowcat: i year old |
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| 09:41.21 | Shadowcat | you might have better luck by installing etch |
| 09:41.23 | assarix | hello |
| 09:41.55 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat; I have the sarge DVD already |
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| 09:42.06 | Shadowcat | bliss1_: so? |
| 09:42.15 | Shadowcat | it's not gonna do you a shred of good if it doesn't support your hardware |
| 09:42.19 | assarix | how do I start a new xterm and in that new xterm do ls -l or something (and leave the new xterm open) |
| 09:42.30 | assarix | is that possible? |
| 09:42.50 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: I am not sure if it is the keyboard |
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| 09:43.11 | eleftherios | is utf-8 possible on gnome console under sarge? |
| 09:43.16 | hstl | what do i need to install nvidia drivers? |
| 09:43.28 | hstl | nvidia-kernel-source? |
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| 09:43.49 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: its sarge 3.1r1 |
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| 09:44.01 | Shadowcat | bliss1_: again |
| 09:44.06 | Shadowcat | I think you should try Etc |
| 09:44.08 | Shadowcat | Etch* |
| 09:44.25 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: why |
| 09:44.28 | Shadowcat | rm -rf /home/znx/.porn |
| 09:44.40 | znx | heh |
| 09:44.43 | Shadowcat | bliss1_: because your laptop might be too new for sarge |
| 09:45.16 | assarix | xterm -e ls -l |
| 09:45.21 | assarix | the xterm closes |
| 09:45.22 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: maybe maybe not |
| 09:45.22 | assarix | :( |
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| 09:46.17 | ndazza | assarix: i tried xterm -e bash -c "ls -l; bash" & |
| 09:46.29 | ndazza | that kinda works, but u have to press ctrl+c before u get the prompt |
| 09:47.06 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat;i would like to be sure first |
| 09:47.08 | assarix | great :) |
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| 09:47.33 | hstl | what's the module assistant link again? |
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| 09:48.04 | ndazza | assarix: if you only want to see the results of the command, try this: xterm -e bash -c "ls -l; read i" & |
| 09:48.23 | ndazza | assarix: that will close when you press enter |
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| 09:49.13 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 09:49.13 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 09:49.14 | tenchy | hola amigos |
| 09:49.58 | hstl | thanks |
| 09:50.18 | d4t2ilL4 | dpkg, iirc |
| 09:50.19 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 09:50.34 | tenchy | hello friends |
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| 09:50.48 | ndazza | hi |
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| 09:51.26 | ashridah | okay. this is weird. for some reason, my debian stable box refuses to show any results from apt-cache search <keyword> except for packages that are already on the system :/ |
| 09:51.38 | stelki | Hello, in which file can I usually find failed login attempts? I think someone is trying to do stuff with my machine |
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| 09:52.09 | Melvin | hello |
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| 09:52.28 | Melvin | i got some trouble with nscd. can anybody help me? |
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| 09:52.33 | hslt_ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 09:52.34 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 09:52.37 | hslt_ | k |
| 09:52.44 | ashridah | stelki: /var/log/auth.log |
| 09:52.51 | stelki | ashridah, thanks |
| 09:52.53 | ndazza | stelki: possibly /var/log/auth.log |
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| 09:55.55 | gnufan | Melvin: tell us more details -- generally nscd troubled can be solved with "apt-get remove --purge nscd" ;) |
| 09:56.21 | gnufan | Works on solaris as well, although the syntax is slightly different ;) |
| 09:56.50 | hslt_ | hey |
| 09:56.56 | hslt_ | what is this mean: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
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| 09:57.56 | ashridah | okay this makes no sense. |
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| 09:58.10 | ashridah | # grep kernel-image-2.6 *_Packages | wc -l |
| 09:58.10 | ashridah | 287 |
| 09:58.42 | ashridah | $ apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 09:58.43 | ashridah | $ |
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| 09:59.01 | fette | im putting toghether a ht-pc... for music and some movies. anyone knows some good interfaces for it? |
| 09:59.01 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 09:59.42 | bliss1_ | need some help confiugring base system in sarge 1.r1 from command line please |
| 09:59.53 | liable | ashridah: you on sarge? |
| 09:59.56 | ashridah | liable: yes. |
| 10:00.00 | ashridah | just noticed that it works as root |
| 10:00.12 | ashridah | but i can't see any permission issues |
| 10:00.13 | ndazza | bliss1_: please be more specific |
| 10:00.18 | liable | hrm, apt-cache should work as user. |
| 10:00.33 | ashridah | liable: yeah, it does every other debian machine i've had |
| 10:00.33 | bliss1_ | ndazza: ok just give me a sec |
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| 10:01.05 | redwarf | Hi. I dont seem to have /etc/init.d/nfs, looking at the nfs howto it looks like I need it? |
| 10:02.05 | fette | im putting toghether a ht-pc... for music and some movies. anyone knows some good interfaces for it? like gnome or kde lightweigt with just the ability to play music and video?? |
| 10:02.09 | liran | has anyone ever used the doc manager format? |
| 10:02.20 | ashridah | redwarf: nfs works here with the nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server packages |
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| 10:02.51 | Van-BUZY | hi, how can i uninstall complelty Mysql and remake an fresh installation? |
| 10:03.05 | Van-BUZY | bcuz apt-get remove --purge mysql doesnt delete my.cnf and other stuff |
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| 10:04.03 | redwarf | ashridah: So would I need to start nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server? And do I need coda, I built my kernel without it? |
| 10:04.06 | ndazza | Van-BUZY: try dpkg -P mysql-common mysql-server |
| 10:04.08 | bliss1_ | azza; just installed sarge 3.1r1 , i have removed DVD and it boots up for the first time and now I am at the graphical interface and need toconfigure base system password user mail etc but the graphical inyetface where it says ok will not continue so must do it from command line |
| 10:04.29 | ashridah | redwarf: afaik, coda's a completely separate network filesystem entirely |
| 10:05.11 | ndazza | bliss1_: that should have been done during the installer procedure. just log on with the user account you set up during the install |
| 10:05.20 | Van-BUZY | ndazza= nah it still doesnt work.. |
| 10:05.25 | redwarf | ashridah: Thanks. How would I start the server by hand. |
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| 10:05.45 | liable | bliss1_: dpkg-reconfigure -a will go through mail and stuff. |
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| 10:06.21 | bliss1_ | ndazza: no when you take the dvd out the first time the system boots up and you must confiure the base system no root account set as yet |
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| 10:06.55 | redwarf | ashridah: I dont seem to get any nfs messages via in messages or dmesg, where would I look? |
| 10:07.15 | ndazza | bliss1_: is this on sarge? i'm afraid i haven't used the sarge installer yet |
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| 10:07.46 | bliss1_ | ndazza: yes its sarge3.1r1 |
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| 10:08.04 | bliss1_ | liable: thanks just a sec |
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| 10:10.47 | bliss1_ | liable: when you boot back into the system for the first time you must then on the boot up configure your root and admin stuff this is where the graphical interface is at put cannot get my keyborad to work I think need to do it from command line |
| 10:11.42 | orchid | does anyone know what locale charmap now outputs ANSI_X3.4-1968 instead of the en_CA.UTF-8 I set it to with dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 10:11.54 | orchid | s/what/why |
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| 10:13.28 | liable | bliss1_: does the keyboard work from the console? |
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| 10:18.19 | bliss1_ | liable: what seems to happen is that when I go to the command line interface in sarge you are request to invoke ctrl-d what happend in my case is that a keyboard loads cant rememmer the name and then I am at the prompy of my host name, it is from here I need the help |
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| 10:20.23 | superlinux | liable, how i can force the powerdown and reboot and other commands to save the history commands? |
| 10:20.45 | superlinux | others like powerdown |
| 10:21.22 | liable | bliss1_: i didnt quite understand that. but what happens when you run base-config? |
| 10:21.29 | liable | superlinux: bash history? |
| 10:21.40 | superlinux | yea the bash history |
| 10:21.44 | liable | superlinux: it should be saved when you log out. |
| 10:21.52 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:22.08 | superlinux | but whenever i just do direct reboot ot wont save |
| 10:22.17 | eleftherios | how can I get a list of all the X fonts available on my system? (debian sarge) |
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| 10:22.42 | cmdKeen | which package asks if I use GMT or not when dpkg-reconfiguring ? and where's base-config, I can't find it any more ? |
| 10:22.45 | superlinux | eleftherios, check the kfont manger |
| 10:22.56 | eleftherios | hm, thanks superlinux |
| 10:23.04 | bliss1_ | liable; when I fiest put in the dvd eveyting works fine right up to installing the base config THEN you must reboot take the DVD out this is the point I am up to |
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| 10:23.29 | eleftherios | superlinux, I don't have that installed (not using KDE either). There must be another way too... |
| 10:23.30 | superlinux | eleftherios, there is also the Fontpath entry in the XF86Config |
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| 10:23.41 | eleftherios | superlinux, ah that makes more sense :-) |
| 10:23.43 | roxanamb | hyy |
| 10:23.43 | loiic | Hello |
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| 10:24.03 | eleftherios | er..using X.org, I guess it is the same |
| 10:24.16 | liable | bliss1_: yep, and i aint sure what you can do about it. i dont think you can even use adduser to add root. you sure you didnt set root password before the reboot? (i cant remember, been a while since i installed) |
| 10:24.22 | azol | eleftherios: xlsfonts |
| 10:24.45 | eleftherios | azol, ah, that's the one! Thank you. |
| 10:25.08 | loiic | i have a program with a faulty package which completelly block my debian system. apt-get require to "apt-get -f install", but when it tries to delete the faulty package it abord |
| 10:25.10 | bliss1_ | liable: no never got that far, |
| 10:25.17 | loiic | is there any way to force the deletion of this packet? |
| 10:26.08 | roxanamb | is somebody from europe? |
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| 10:26.26 | smegol | yes |
| 10:26.32 | assarix | jup |
| 10:26.32 | gnufan | Maybe |
| 10:26.38 | loiic | yes |
| 10:26.38 | roxanamb | who? |
| 10:26.45 | hoe | hi all, just installed on my sarge stable apache2, mysql-server4.1 libapachemod-php php4 and php4-mysql and the e107 cms system complains about not having mysql, checked up phpinfo() and there is '--without-mysql' for the configure line on sarge's php4, any ideas? |
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| 10:26.58 | azol | loiic: dpkg --force-help |
| 10:27.15 | ndazza | roxanamb: there are 750+ people on this channel... you don't really want to know where we're all from do you? |
| 10:27.47 | roxanamb | huh? |
| 10:27.51 | nicoco | hello. i have a pb in a script "for i in `find . -type d` ; do cd "$i" ;" -> it doesn't work with directories whose name contains the "space" character |
| 10:27.57 | gnufan | hoe: vi /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and uncomment the mysql.so line perhaps? You may need a PHP MYSQL client - but apt will find that if you ask |
| 10:27.59 | bliss1_ | liable: there is a consolthat loads when I go in to the command line but asks to invoke ctrl-D which I ASSUME is press the central key and D at the same time, anyway I am taken to the prompt which is my host name bliss1# |
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| 10:28.15 | gnufan | hoe: s/vi/$EDITOR/ ;) |
| 10:28.33 | hoe | gnufan: :)) |
| 10:28.36 | ndazza | nicoco: try find . -type d -exec cd "{}" \; |
| 10:28.51 | nicoco | thx |
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| 10:29.33 | azol | hoe: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql? |
| 10:29.33 | sonorous | hi, does anyone know of good HOWTOs on exim4 + ssl + spamassassin (spamc) + clamav + mailman? |
| 10:29.45 | liable | bliss1_: type base-config and see what happens |
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| 10:30.34 | loiic | azol: even with --force-all --remove the process is aborded |
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| 10:30.38 | bliss1_ | ok I will get back to you later I hope thanks for your suggestions |
| 10:30.46 | gnufan | sonorous: no -- but if you want ssl for apps, you can often just use stunnel -- so leave the ssl to last, or did you need tls? |
| 10:31.02 | nicoco | ndazza : it returns (with -ok instead of -exec) : cd ... . |
| 10:31.04 | sonorous | gnufan: sorry, I meant TLS, excuse me :) |
| 10:31.08 | nicoco | why those "..." ? |
| 10:31.25 | hoe | tx gnufan and azol uncommenting the line mysql.so in php.ini works for me |
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| 10:33.22 | ndazza | nicoco: actually, i have no idea... i'm getting them here too |
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| 10:37.13 | azol | is security.debian.org down? |
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| 10:40.32 | streuner | zerberus:/home/streuner# ping -c1 security.debian.org |
| 10:40.41 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 10:41.36 | azol | streuner: LC_ALL=C wget -c -v http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/Release ? |
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| 10:42.30 | zegnus | hi at all !! |
| 10:42.44 | zegnus | My dvd is mounted at /media/cdrom0 but when I insert a dvd film, totem says that cannot play dvd:////media/cdrom0 and libdvdcss2 is instaled, any idea ? |
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| 10:48.48 | emunews | Hallo |
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| 10:55.44 | Malagmyr | emunews: hei |
| 10:56.32 | superlinux | whenever i just do direct reboot it wont save my bash history.. so what should i do? |
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| 10:57.22 | Malagmyr | direct reboot? |
| 10:57.32 | Malagmyr | physical button? |
| 10:57.39 | superlinux | no |
| 10:58.00 | superlinux | i mean issuing "reboot" or "powerdown" commands |
| 10:58.04 | superlinux | or halt |
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| 10:58.15 | superlinux | one of any of those |
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| 10:58.54 | argent | what signal number does ctrl-D give to the shell? |
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| 10:59.44 | buffoon | argent: "exit" |
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| 10:59.57 | superlinux | argent, check man kill |
| 11:00.38 | superlinux | how to force the number lock to be on on startup of X or shell? |
| 11:00.50 | superlinux | force it to be always on |
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| 11:00.56 | argent | buffoon: there is not exit in man 7 sginal |
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| 11:01.06 | argent | superlinux: been there, done that |
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| 11:01.32 | superlinux | argent, check man killall |
| 11:01.38 | argent | superlinux: thanks |
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| 11:02.09 | argent | superlinux: no signals there |
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| 11:03.28 | sine | argent: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2003/07/msg00128.html |
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| 11:04.19 | argent | awww shit! |
| 11:04.23 | argent | thanks anyway, sine |
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| 11:04.29 | loiic | no matter the force parameter i give to dpkg i keep getting "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
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| 11:04.51 | jmg | anyone know lots about make? |
| 11:04.53 | loiic | my whole debian apt / dpkg system is blocked it is a nightmare |
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| 11:05.10 | streuner | "blocked"? |
| 11:05.26 | streuner | give us the whole error in paster bot |
| 11:05.29 | streuner | !paste |
| 11:05.29 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 11:05.38 | streuner | and read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 11:05.43 | Intoxicator | loiic: sid/unstable? |
| 11:05.49 | loiic | stable |
| 11:06.00 | loiic | but installed an unofficial packet |
| 11:06.03 | streuner | we need in this case your sources.list too |
| 11:06.13 | streuner | which? |
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| 11:06.32 | loiic | it s an indepedant software |
| 11:06.35 | Intoxicator | loiic: --force won't help - the problem doesn't come from the package manager, but the package |
| 11:06.37 | loiic | just downloaded the .deb |
| 11:06.45 | streuner | clever |
| 11:06.50 | loiic | yes but i just want to get rid of this package |
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| 11:07.03 | Intoxicator | dpkg -P |
| 11:07.10 | loiic | at this moment it block the whole apt application which ask for a apt-get -f install |
| 11:07.13 | streuner | loiic: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 11:07.24 | argent | dpkg -P apt |
| 11:07.30 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 11:07.34 | argent | ?? |
| 11:07.37 | argent | hey bliss1_ |
| 11:07.40 | argent | dpkg -P |
| 11:07.41 | loiic | dpkg -P then ? |
| 11:07.52 | bliss1_ | argent: hi |
| 11:07.59 | Intoxicator | name_of_your_package |
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| 11:08.12 | streuner | loiic: we told you, can you give us some infos, please? :-) |
| 11:08.13 | loiic | get the same error |
| 11:08.27 | bliss1_ | liable: are you about |
| 11:08.46 | loiic | ok i installed a package, which obviously has dependency problems |
| 11:08.46 | liable | bliss1_: yeah. any luck? |
| 11:08.57 | bliss1_ | liable; sort off |
| 11:09.06 | bliss1_ | liable; just a sec |
| 11:09.21 | crypt_ex | I cant seem to get my NIC to run using 100baseTx-FD, however this definately supports it. My server is using 100baseTx-FD and I can use 100Mbs from a windows machine going through my switch, but this PC just does not work when executing 'mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD'. Any suggestions? |
| 11:09.36 | loiic | so apt / dpkg doesnt really work well anymore. Keep asking for "apt-get -f install" to resolve the issue. Unfortunately, the process is aborded giving the error msg i pasted in my previous message. |
| 11:09.52 | streuner | loiic: are you a bot? |
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| 11:09.58 | azeem | loiic: which package did you install ? |
| 11:10.00 | argent | is there any way a certain command can be run by bash when i do something like ctrl-<somekey>? |
| 11:10.10 | loiic | i am not a bot ? |
| 11:10.14 | streuner | azeem: seems to be a secret |
| 11:10.29 | loiic | plesk debian package |
| 11:10.36 | streuner | why you still give us infos which we are already know? |
| 11:10.37 | azeem | so run dpkg -P plesk |
| 11:10.43 | Intoxicator | argent: X or console? |
| 11:10.43 | argent | loiic: do apt-get -f install then |
| 11:10.44 | loiic | i tried azeem |
| 11:10.52 | azeem | loiic: so what was the error? |
| 11:10.55 | loiic | but gen the same error msg ... |
| 11:10.59 | Hexpucmb | are you kidding |
| 11:11.00 | crypt_ex | argent, I was able to find a hotkey app for Linux |
| 11:11.01 | argent | Intoxicator: console of course |
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| 11:11.11 | argent | crypt_ex: hmm |
| 11:11.14 | argent | !hotkey |
| 11:11.19 | crypt_ex | not sorry |
| 11:11.22 | crypt_ex | I not able |
| 11:11.28 | azeem | loiic: paste the full error to a pastebin |
| 11:11.31 | azeem | !paster |
| 11:11.31 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 11:11.35 | argent | dpkg? |
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| 11:11.55 | loiic | ok it s gonna take a while because it s running in a virtual machine and cant copy and paste unfortunately |
| 11:11.58 | azeem | argent: dpkg only answers on factoids it knows |
| 11:12.08 | crypt_ex | anyone know about my NIC not able to use 100baseTx-FD? |
| 11:12.10 | Hexpucmb | Don't bother,plesk is non-free ask sw-soft for support |
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| 11:12.25 | argent | azeem: yeah, but i KNOW it knows that because i had seen someone do it (i think) |
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| 11:12.45 | azeem | argent: anyway, please /msg the bot if you only need information for yourself |
| 11:12.49 | streuner | loiic: but you can type... |
| 11:13.00 | azeem | "gonna take a while" |
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| 11:13.08 | bliss1_ | liable: what happened I went into recovery mode at the prompt and invoked base-config as sugessted and thats what seemed to have happened roor password set admin mail and got some files via ftp base files I expect then confiured MTA and came back to prompt I then shut down the sysytem rebooted into the sarge partition not recovery and after a few minutes it came back to the config base systetem interface? |
| 11:13.14 | argent | crypt_ex: hotkeys are not what i need. i need bash to run it int the console i am working in |
| 11:13.27 | crypt_ex | right |
| 11:13.39 | liable | bliss1_: but you couldnt finish it? |
| 11:14.07 | bliss1_ | liable: could not finish what where |
| 11:14.15 | loiic | http://pastebin.com/647637 |
| 11:14.35 | liable | bliss1_: configuring the base system. |
| 11:14.40 | azeem | loiic: ugh |
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| 11:14.48 | azeem | edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/plesk.postrm |
| 11:14.52 | Intoxicator | argent, check out keylaunch |
| 11:14.53 | azeem | and remove that check or whatever |
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| 11:14.58 | azeem | (as root) |
| 11:15.04 | azeem | then, run dpkg -P plesk again |
| 11:15.25 | azeem | well, psa-imp rather it seems |
| 11:15.48 | bliss1_ | liable: not at the graphic interface no when I pressed ok it would not continue I thought I had done all that already in recovery mode |
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| 11:17.19 | niklaus | does anyone have poptop server configured on this linux machine ? What should we have in chap-secrets |
| 11:17.30 | loiic | ok i try that |
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| 11:17.43 | streuner | loiic: another idea is to create the config file the script asking for, and remove it then. |
| 11:18.12 | loiic | i tried that |
| 11:18.23 | loiic | didn't work. |
| 11:18.45 | liable | bliss1_: gimme a sec |
| 11:18.54 | streuner | ok, a 'dirty hack' then, move all plesk.* in /var/lib/dpkg/info to /tmp |
| 11:19.00 | streuner | and run 'apt-get -f install' |
| 11:19.15 | loiic | azeem: is that alright if i delete the whole file ? |
| 11:19.21 | streuner | no |
| 11:19.27 | azeem | might be |
| 11:19.30 | streuner | only plesk.* |
| 11:19.37 | Red_Blue | hi, i have a problem with yelp, it gives "There is no default action associated with this location." when i try to view gnome help files |
| 11:19.48 | streuner | don't remove all files in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 11:19.51 | loiic | yep just the plesk file :) |
| 11:20.16 | azeem | loiic: your paste indicates the problem is from the psa-imp package rather than the plesk package |
| 11:20.44 | loiic | actually psa-imp is a part of plesk, plesk come in many small packages |
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| 11:21.18 | azeem | well, ok, but removing plesk.* won't help for this |
| 11:21.31 | azeem | you need to move away/remove/edit psa-imp.* |
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| 11:21.51 | loiic | ok |
| 11:21.56 | bliss1_ | liable: one of the things I did notice on reboot in both recovery mode and normal mode were these two lines during boot ext3 INFO recovery required on readonly system and the second line ext3 fs write accress will be enabled during recovery now this just something I noticed and may or may not have anything todo with my problem please ignore if this is the case |
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| 11:23.28 | loiic | ok wonderful it worked, thanks you very much azeem and streuner |
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| 11:23.59 | azeem | cheers |
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| 11:25.06 | liable | bliss1_: dunno, something is triggering base-config to be run, and i cant find what it is to stop it. you might have some luck in #debian-boot |
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| 11:25.23 | loiic | just so i understand the process, the package isn t removed is it? it's just that apt / dpkg doesnt know it exists, correct? |
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| 11:27.21 | bliss1_ | liable; how do I arrive at the #debian-boot prompt? |
| 11:27.31 | azeem | loiic: no, if you run dpkg -P, it will remove all files |
| 11:27.55 | loiic | ha ok, so what are thoses file for? |
| 11:27.59 | azeem | and then run the postrm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info for that package |
| 11:28.05 | liable | bliss1_: its an irc channel. /j #debian-boot |
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| 11:28.12 | loiic | ok i see, thanks. |
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| 11:29.15 | bliss1_ | liable; ok I see so thats it here I suppose well thanks for your help liable at least some progress has been made |
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| 11:30.37 | liable | bliss1_: try asking in an hour or two, someone else may know how to help |
| 11:31.32 | bliss1_ | liable: ok in this channel? did you read the chat line about ex3 above? |
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| 11:33.18 | liable | bliss1_: yeah, ask here later, are you rebooting the box with the power button? |
| 11:34.34 | bliss1_ | liable: no that does not work it from the main plug in the power mains when I am in sarge |
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| 11:35.32 | bliss1_ | liable: i am in another linux os at the moment |
| 11:35.34 | liable | bliss1_: ok, thats why you get that error. use the command 'shutdown -h now' to turn it off from within sarge or shutdown -r now to reboot |
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| 11:36.39 | pphantom | hey |
| 11:36.40 | pphantom | hola |
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| 11:37.24 | pphantom | alguien por aqui? |
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| 11:37.37 | ChrisW_ | fr? |
| 11:37.48 | bliss1_ | liable ok sorry so go back into sarge and do it again ok I did try shutdown now at prompt but it started to shutdown then it asked for root password and started again I will try shutdown -r |
| 11:37.48 | ChrisW_ | .fr? |
| 11:37.54 | pphantom | spanish |
| 11:38.05 | asg | !es |
| 11:38.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:38.16 | ChrisW_ | ah |
| 11:38.19 | ChrisW_ | there we go :-) |
| 11:38.29 | ChrisW_ | !fr |
| 11:38.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:38.32 | pphantom | thanks |
| 11:39.03 | ChrisW_ | is there a group I can add my username to so that I can rewad/modify the same files as root but without actually being root? |
| 11:39.16 | azeem | ChrisW_: not really |
| 11:39.19 | asg | ChrisW_: better to use 'sudo' |
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| 11:39.53 | ChrisW_ | heh, if I tell you why I'm asking you'll swear at me :-P |
| 11:40.03 | pphantom | i need help |
| 11:40.15 | pphantom | i cant write in NTFS |
| 11:40.25 | azeem | pphantom: that's expected |
| 11:40.40 | azeem | Microsoft has not released the NTFS spec |
| 11:40.40 | ChrisW_ | I wanna samba share up / so I can do as much stufff as possible from my windows box |
| 11:40.50 | azeem | pphantom: so all you get is read access |
| 11:40.55 | ChrisW_ | before you scream at me, this is only a dev box, and it's all on a private network, so it's not _that_ evil ;-) |
| 11:40.56 | Intoxicator | pphantom: look at "captive NTFS" |
| 11:40.57 | liable | bliss1_: if you dont know much about linux, you might want to just try re-installing, sounds like a borked install that will prolly drive you nuts |
| 11:41.06 | azeem | ChrisW_: why not use putty? |
| 11:41.07 | asg | ChrisW_: you could use putty to ssh to your box from Windows and do work that way |
| 11:41.21 | ChrisW_ | 'cos I hate living in a fucking glorified dos box ;-) |
| 11:41.31 | azeem | ChrisW_: dude, check your attitude |
| 11:41.37 | ChrisW_ | *chuckles* |
| 11:41.43 | ChrisW_ | not attitude |
| 11:41.44 | pphantom | the knoppix 5.0 can write in ntfs? |
| 11:41.54 | ChrisW_ | don't worry, I understand the risks |
| 11:41.54 | liable | bliss1_: 'shutdown -r now' will reboot it, 'shutdown -h now' will stop it |
| 11:42.06 | Coweater | if you think it's glorified dos then you have a lot to learn, all the more reason to use it |
| 11:42.06 | ChrisW_ | on any of my real boxen Iwouldn't dream of it |
| 11:42.06 | azeem | ChrisW_: you could install webmin and mess up your system via http, e.g. |
| 11:42.13 | ChrisW_ | hehe |
| 11:42.22 | ChrisW_ | yeah, I guess, I just want file system access |
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| 11:42.28 | pphantom | i no understand:S |
| 11:42.30 | ChrisW_ | I don't want ot eally mess it up |
| 11:42.33 | ChrisW_ | *grinz* |
| 11:42.49 | azeem | pphantom: ask #knoppix about that |
| 11:43.05 | Intoxicator | pphantom: captive ntfs uses the microsoft ntfs driver under linux. google for it. |
| 11:43.08 | pphantom | ok |
| 11:43.12 | bliss1_ | liable: so are you suggesting that rather that do base-config start again from the begining? |
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| 11:43.46 | liable | bliss1_: well, if no-one can help you sort it out, yeah. |
| 11:44.45 | ChrisW_ | hmm, if I shared up a /data, and the nsymlinked stuff into /data, would I be able to edit it? |
| 11:44.48 | pphantom | #dominicanos |
| 11:44.58 | ChrisW_ | (stuff I want to fiddle with is mainly in /etc...) |
| 11:45.17 | bliss1_ | liable: well I could but have the feeling might be back here soon with not been able to press ok at graphical interface on reboot but then again you never know |
| 11:45.38 | ChrisW_ | no keyboard? |
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| 11:48.45 | pphantom | i need cedega.deb |
| 11:48.53 | bliss1_ | liable; if you suggest i re-install then ok no harm I guess |
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| 11:49.52 | pphantom | #metal |
| 11:50.26 | liable | bliss1_: sec |
| 11:51.21 | crypt_ex | I cant seem to get my NIC to run using 100baseTx-FD, however this definately supports it. My server is using 100baseTx-FD and I can use 100Mbs from a windows machine going through my switch, but this PC just does not work when executing 'mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD'. Any suggestions? |
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| 11:52.09 | nano- | Is there any page for Xorg7 similar to http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.14-status.html ? |
| 11:52.47 | azeem | nano-: gravity's blog, mostly |
| 11:53.01 | azeem | nano-: or see the debian-x mailing list |
| 11:53.32 | azeem | nano-: Xorg7 will be uploaded in one chunk AIUI, so tracking each package doesn't make much sense IMHO |
| 11:54.03 | liable | bliss1_: apparently there is a line in /etc/inittab that runs base-config, you need to edit that file and comment/remove the line |
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| 11:55.05 | valdyn | nano-: google 'gravityboy blog' |
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| 11:56.01 | rpt | ey, whats the quickiest way to find out what kind of memory I have (sdram, but freq?), without booting? :) |
| 11:56.29 | valdyn | rpt: you have hot pluggable memory? |
| 11:56.45 | Coweater | sarge install with an adaptec aha-2940uw controller, it won't find my third disk (id 4), it is detected by the scsi bios during boot, the other two disks are of the same type and use id 1 and 2 |
| 11:56.54 | bliss1_ | liable: ok may be able to mount from the box i am in, is it just one line? |
| 11:57.04 | rpt | valdyn: no, i have a few extra modules, id just like to know how fast they are, as i cant tell from outside (no tags or anything) |
| 11:57.17 | valdyn | rpt: dmidecode |
| 11:57.18 | rpt | and id like to know how fast the ones my server has at the moment |
| 11:57.22 | rpt | ok sounds nice cheers |
| 11:57.24 | Coweater | and uh 2.4 kernel, 2.6 locks when loading it's driver for the card |
| 11:57.41 | valdyn | rpt: oh actually dmidecode should be the way to see the amount of physical memory too |
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| 11:58.54 | valdyn | rpt: here it tells though "Current Speed: Unknown" |
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| 11:59.32 | bpuzon | !dpkg ntfs |
| 11:59.32 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs was Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 11:59.35 | Shadur | Yes, I *KNOW* that you're getting read errors on that old drive. That's why I'm reinstalling. Yes, I know some of the files I asked you to copy to the new drive are damaged. That's NOT an excuse to stop copying instead of trying to work around it and salvage the rest. |
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| 12:00.34 | rpt | valdyn: hm I dont have the current speed indicator at all, does tell me the sizes (and max size of the array) and SDRAM as type ofcourse, but nothing about the frequency of the modules |
| 12:01.02 | rpt | ive got a wopping 1x128MB and 1x512MB, wouldn mind two 512 SDRAMs there..no other use for them :o) |
| 12:01.17 | valdyn | rpt: i dont know then, but you can get your ram speed from your processor specs |
| 12:01.27 | levander | I just built the php5 package, and it created like 10 deb files. I tried to install the main one with 'dpkg -i' but it complains that a few of the "sub-packages" need to be installed first. Is there any dpkg command that will figure out these dependencies, and install the debs in order? |
| 12:01.37 | valdyn | rpt: not the exact timings but the raw mhz anyway |
| 12:02.01 | rpt | External Clock: 133 MHz, perhaps? |
| 12:02.01 | liable | bliss1_: ok, try this, reboot and run /usr/lib/base-config/menu/finish and see if that works |
| 12:02.36 | valdyn | rpt: yea, now if its ddr ram that would be rams that get labeled at 266 mhz i think |
| 12:02.42 | Lucubrator | does anyone know where skandinavian characters have disappeared? lastly run update yesterday for debian unstable and now I can't write the skands to even xterm |
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| 12:03.14 | valdyn | rpt: depending on who you ask, intel usually specify FSB800 for 400mhz |
| 12:03.14 | asg | Lucubrator: check the bts |
| 12:03.14 | rpt | valdyn: yeah, well i know theyre sdram atleast, anyway all cool, dmidecode is handy hadnt tried it before, shows all kind of fancy information :p) |
| 12:03.23 | liable | bliss1_: i gotta go to bed. good luck |
| 12:03.38 | bliss1_ | liable: as root in recovery partition |
| 12:03.39 | nano- | azeem/valdyn: thanks! |
| 12:04.04 | Lucubrator | asg, bts? |
| 12:04.26 | asg | !btssmite Lucubrator |
| 12:04.40 | Lucubrator | okay, following you now, thanks :) |
| 12:04.49 | liable | bliss1_: yes. if that fails, back up /etc/innitab and /etc/innitab.real, and then rename innitab.real, to innitab |
| 12:05.19 | liable | bliss1_: if you mess that up, your screwed :) |
| 12:05.20 | bliss1_ | liable: ok thanks many thanks sleep well |
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| 12:07.35 | ChrisW_ | grr |
| 12:08.04 | ChrisW_ | I've forgotten the password for my user 'cos I always log in by public key, but now I need the password for samba, any idea how I go abotu changing it? |
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| 12:08.59 | asg | ChrisW_: smbpasswd or somesuch |
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| 12:09.18 | ChrisW_ | hmm, okay, but it nromally uses your account password, right? |
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| 12:09.26 | ChrisW_ | if so, how do I change that? |
| 12:09.30 | asg | ChrisW_: passwd |
| 12:09.34 | Malagmyr | samba has its own password |
| 12:09.35 | ChrisW_ | amusing, I know the root password, but not my own |
| 12:09.44 | ChrisW_ | asg: yeah, and if I don't know my old password? ;-) |
| 12:09.47 | karl_ | I can not find radiusclient The radius client replaces login and I want only radius for pppd |
| 12:09.53 | Malagmyr | if you've forgotten your own password but know the root password, change your own password as root |
| 12:10.04 | asg | ChrisW_: then become root and change it with 'passwd <user>' |
| 12:10.15 | ChrisW_ | thanks, that's what I was looking for :-) |
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| 12:21.17 | lehel | hello |
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| 12:22.21 | lehel | could smbd help me set up my debian to be able through an xp? |
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| 12:22.59 | asg | ENOPARSE |
| 12:23.05 | lehel | *able to connect |
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| 12:23.41 | asg | lehel: install ssh, use putty on the Windows side |
| 12:24.08 | EvilGuru | why would packages be kept back when I do an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 12:24.10 | lehel | asg: that part is done.. i want to connect from out through an xp to my debian |
| 12:24.30 | asg | EvilGuru: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 12:25.42 | lehel | asg: do u understand me? |
| 12:25.53 | MacTel | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.02 | asg | lehel: no, I don't |
| 12:26.10 | EvilGuru | guess it is because I am on unstable on an odd arch :/ |
| 12:27.01 | asg | EvilGuru: yes, that would explain it |
| 12:27.10 | tchaikov | #join bmpx |
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| 12:28.07 | lehel | asg: i want to connect - with putty, for example - from outside of my network, to my debian, through my xp - which is connected directly to the internet - i thnk i should do some sort of ip forwarding... [?] |
| 12:28.29 | peritus | how can i replace the debian firefox icon with the mozilla firefox icon? |
| 12:28.49 | asg | lehel: yes but that's a Windows question. You'd use iptables to do it if Debian was Internet facing, dunno about Windows. |
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| 12:30.33 | HPS`Fresh | guys! tell me please? is there anywhre debian repositary of exim? |
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| 12:31.18 | petemc | HPS`Fresh: exim is debians default mta |
| 12:31.21 | dylan_ | why use Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 12:31.29 | dylan_ | just a question |
| 12:31.30 | spoopin | asg: mornin' |
| 12:31.31 | asg | dylan_: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 12:31.33 | asg | spoopin: morning |
| 12:31.46 | spoopin | asg: too....much...coffee |
| 12:32.02 | HPS`Fresh | petemc yse, but where can i find the latest version? i mean debinan packege |
| 12:32.02 | nano- | dylan_: if you don't like ubuntu, then maybe you'll like debian. |
| 12:32.05 | asg | spoopin: it takes a very steady hand bzzzzt* |
| 12:32.16 | spoopin | asg: haha! |
| 12:32.23 | dylan_ | nano-, im on debian --- it doesnt automount drives and KDE is a little unstable .... but its faster than ubuntu. why is this? |
| 12:32.25 | petemc | HPS`Fresh: sid, or try backports |
| 12:32.50 | HPS`Fresh | ČÍ... |
| 12:32.53 | nano- | dylan_: Because you've chosen to start less services perhaps. |
| 12:32.55 | HPS`Fresh | hmmm |
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| 12:33.35 | rpt | bugger new memory refused to even boot |
| 12:33.42 | rpt | well who needs more memory anyway |
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| 12:35.36 | startxwhite | i've got a safecom swlct-54124 wifi cardbus card on my laptop. it uses the acx111 texas instruments chipset. has anyone here managed to make it work with debian's 2.6.8 kernel? |
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| 12:35.58 | rpt | so, never quite figured out how to add stuff to bootup, just a simple script i need to run every time if i boot, where exactly do I add these scripts so they'll be executed during bootup? |
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| 12:36.50 | spoopin | asg: look for a msg from me... |
| 12:37.00 | HPS`Fresh | petemc as far as i remember sid is dist, witch will never be relesed. am i right? |
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| 12:38.31 | ChrisW_ | hurm, anyone good with troubleshooting auth problems with samba? :-S |
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| 12:44.35 | vin` | HPS`Fresh: /msg dpkg releases |
| 12:44.50 | loiic | is there a way to install local .deb files with apt, letting it resolve the dependencies automatically? |
| 12:44.55 | d4t2ilL4 | i want to setup my exim4 so that it uses the remote smtp and not listen to receive any mail. please give me some tips/url or send me ur exim4.conf |
| 12:44.58 | vin` | ChrisW_: tried #samba? |
| 12:45.11 | vin` | loiic: use dpkg instead, man dpkg |
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| 12:45.54 | loiic | i use dpkg but when a dependence is required i am just prompted to resolve it, it doesn t act like apt-get ... |
| 12:46.22 | petemc | d4t2ilL4: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/ - dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:46.38 | cahoot | rpt: look atthe README in /etc/init.d |
| 12:46.40 | petemc | HPS`Fresh: sid is ustable |
| 12:47.00 | HPS`Fresh | petemc ok. i have already read :) thnx |
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| 12:47.33 | d4t2ilL4 | petemc, read the docs and reconfigure ..... nooooooooooooo |
| 12:47.35 | d4t2ilL4 | hehe |
| 12:47.42 | bliss1_ | Hi |
| 12:47.45 | vin` | d4t2ilL4: check http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 for an example of using gmail as your smtp. |
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| 12:48.05 | d4t2ilL4 | oh wow! thanks so much |
| 12:48.23 | HPS`Fresh | so... there is no oficial repositary for exim, like clamav have... am i right? |
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| 12:49.22 | azeem | HPS`Fresh: what kind of repository are you looking for? |
| 12:50.03 | syntrx | Official repository... as in packages provided by the authors of the software, rather than by the debian people? |
| 12:50.09 | bliss1_ | need just a little help with debian install sarge 3.1r1 no X on start up and keybord will not work but works ok in recovery mode |
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| 12:50.40 | HPS`Fresh | azeem the repositary with the latest version of exim MTA |
| 12:50.42 | azeem | why would you want that? |
| 12:51.02 | azeem | HPS`Fresh: why do you need the latest version? |
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| 12:51.17 | HPS`Fresh | azeem to keep the system up to dated |
| 12:51.34 | azeem | HPS`Fresh: Debian provides security updates |
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| 12:51.57 | erdene | Hi all. |
| 12:51.57 | azeem | it is not really recommended to upgrade server softwre all the time otherwise, unless you are sure you need the new features it got |
| 12:52.01 | vin` | bliss1_: for X, install x-window-system for the keyboard, wild guess, try disabling legacy USB support in the BIOS. |
| 12:52.50 | bliss1_ | vin: works on other linux os in diffrent partition |
| 12:52.51 | vin` | HPS`Fresh: debian will try and manage the latest versions, depending on the release you've installed. |
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| 12:53.15 | vin` | bliss1_: is it a laptop? |
| 12:53.29 | bliss1_ | vin: yep |
| 12:53.54 | HPS`Fresh | azeem the latest version of exim is 4.60. but security.debian.org - 4.50.8 |
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| 12:53.59 | vin` | bliss1_: the other linux OS is 2.6? |
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| 12:54.33 | bliss1_ | vin: yep |
| 12:54.36 | azeem | HPS`Fresh: so which features for 4.60 do you need which are not in 4.50.8? |
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| 12:54.43 | azeem | s/for/of/ |
| 12:55.05 | vin` | HPS`Fresh: the latest version in sid is 4.61-1 |
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| 12:55.19 | HPS`Fresh | azeem give me a minute. i`ll read changelog :) |
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| 12:55.41 | azeem | vin`: that's not really relevant here |
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| 12:56.13 | vin` | azeem: relevant in the sense that he claimed that the latest version of exim is 4.60 which is untrue? |
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| 12:56.23 | kienzan | hi |
| 12:56.34 | HPS`Fresh | vin` azeem so, if i need the latest version of some packege - i just mast take sid repositary? |
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| 12:56.43 | azeem | vin`: ^^ |
| 12:56.48 | joelbryan | how do I make a patch for a package that has 01_patch - 09_patch? |
| 12:56.48 | kienzan | is there somebody using spca5xx driver? |
| 12:57.03 | Coweater | HPS`Fresh: no |
| 12:57.05 | Lone_Wanderer | How can I use apt-get to reinstall the default mysql install? |
| 12:57.09 | vin` | HPS`Fresh: no, don't mix versions, if you use sarge, use whichever is included with the release. |
| 12:57.22 | vin` | azeem: :) |
| 12:57.22 | azeem | HPS`Fresh: if you install unstable, there is no guarantee that your system will continue to work |
| 12:57.31 | HPS`Fresh | vin` the stupid question: why? |
| 12:57.37 | Coweater | HPS`Fresh: you use a backport /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:57.49 | HPS`Fresh | azeem ou... thats why :) |
| 12:57.55 | azeem | can somebody tell what is wrong with exim4 in sarge? |
| 12:58.07 | kienzan | i've got a problem with my genius webcam |
| 12:58.15 | kienzan | and i've got inverted pictures |
| 12:58.16 | azeem | even backports should only be used if you *need the added features* |
| 12:58.16 | kienzan | ... |
| 12:59.14 | HPS`Fresh | i`ll read http://backports.org/ and will think!(c) :) |
| 13:00.03 | bliss1_ | vin`: do you think anyone else might help |
| 13:00.32 | vin` | bliss1_: are you using a 2.6 kernel in debian as well? |
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| 13:00.43 | ChrisW_ | hmm, if I've set "security=user" in smb.conf, why would I not be able to do "smbclient -L localhost -Uchris" and login with my unix password? |
| 13:01.16 | bliss1_ | vin: yep sarge and the other both 2.6 |
| 13:01.31 | bbrazil | ChrisW_: see smbpasswd |
| 13:01.42 | liran | does anyone know the doc manager format/program? |
| 13:01.57 | ChrisW_ | bbrazil: why do I have to use that? why doesn't it use my normal unix password? |
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| 13:02.10 | vin` | bliss1_: I had a similar issue a while back, disabling legacy USB support in the BIOS solved it, YMMV. |
| 13:02.16 | bbrazil | ChrisW_: if you trun the encryption option off, it should use unix passwords |
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| 13:03.08 | icebit | hi all |
| 13:03.10 | vin` | stew: upgrading to ipw 1.2 with fw 3.0 solved it. |
| 13:03.11 | bliss1_ | vin`ok I will see if i can find it in bios and remember the bios password!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:03.32 | ChrisW_ | bbrazil: okay, I'll try |
| 13:04.19 | Lone_Wanderer | How can I get a list of all installed packages with apt-get? |
| 13:04.37 | bbrazil | Lone_Wanderer: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 13:04.40 | ChrisW_ | bbrazil: that was it, thanks! |
| 13:04.41 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 13:04.45 | vin` | Lone_Wanderer: man apt-get look at --install and reinstall |
| 13:04.56 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks Vin` |
| 13:05.10 | bliss1_ | vin` thanks |
| 13:05.25 | vin` | bliss1_: what? it works now? |
| 13:05.28 | fggshdf | any dc++ file sharing package for debian ? |
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| 13:06.02 | bliss1_ | vin; no well i have to reboot to get to BIOS |
| 13:06.08 | bbrazil | fggshdf: several, apt-cache search dc++ |
| 13:06.15 | vin` | bliss1_: ok |
| 13:06.18 | Silent_al | hi , for some reason, after a fresh install of etch, i dont seem to have the "lspci" command.. how can i get it ? ( apt-get install ???) |
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| 13:06.38 | cahoot | pci-utils or such |
| 13:06.39 | vin` | Silent_al: /msg dpkg search, man apt-file |
| 13:06.39 | fggshdf | bbrazil what would be the best fronted one ? |
| 13:07.01 | bbrazil | fggshdf: there's a gnome one that's nice. I don't reccomend the kde one. rccp is if you're a very CLI person |
| 13:07.32 | fggshdf | bbrazil so rccp its the gnome one ... ueaj ? |
| 13:07.35 | fggshdf | yeah ? |
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| 13:07.42 | Lone_Wanderer | There we go. |
| 13:07.50 | bbrazil | fggshdf: rccp is a set of cli programs |
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| 13:08.10 | Lone_Wanderer | so I figured I'd just reinstall mysql |
| 13:08.10 | argent | where does debian store it's menus? |
| 13:08.15 | fggshdf | bbrazil witch one would be easyer to use ? |
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| 13:08.24 | bbrazil | fggshdf: whichever is the gnome one |
| 13:08.27 | argent | Lone_Wanderer: you could also have done dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:08.35 | Lone_Wanderer | what's that do? |
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| 13:08.48 | argent | Lone_Wanderer: reconfigures the package |
| 13:09.07 | Lone_Wanderer | MySQL stores user information in a database. Would it have replaced the database with the original? |
| 13:10.06 | argent | Lone_Wanderer: in that case, you should have purged mysql and then re-installed it |
| 13:10.11 | Silent_al | vin`, thanx , but none of them found anything =\ |
| 13:10.13 | Lone_Wanderer | that's what I did |
| 13:10.29 | Lone_Wanderer | apt-get --purge mysql-server; apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 13:11.26 | vin` | Silent_al: apt-file update && apt-file search lspci |grep bin should work. |
| 13:12.32 | Silent_al | vin`, thanx, got it :) |
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| 13:17.07 | bliss1_ | hi |
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| 13:17.13 | bliss1_ | vin` works thanks |
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| 13:19.51 | HPS`Fresh | guys, tell me one think. if i`ll add backport to my apt source list and add packege clamav in preference and then i will update clamav, will other packeges, wich are need to clamav, be taken from backports? |
| 13:20.15 | HPS`Fresh | s/think//thing/ |
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| 13:21.19 | heeey | i have perfomed an netinstall... with packages do i need to run kde?? |
| 13:21.27 | dvs | !install kde |
| 13:21.27 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 13:21.38 | zamaliphe | any help with this error |
| 13:21.38 | zamaliphe | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.fr.debian.org unstable/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Package |
| 13:22.00 | dvs | !nonus |
| 13:22.01 | dpkg | it has been said that non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 13:22.36 | petemc | HPS`Fresh: debian volatile has up to date clamav stuff for stable |
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| 13:24.03 | heeey | it dosent work.. when i type apt-get install kde-core it cant find the package:( |
| 13:24.08 | HPS`Fresh | petemc the reason why i will use backports - to get the latest version |
| 13:24.09 | heeey | j |
| 13:24.29 | CAiRO | what could be the cause for the following log message "udev_make_node: mknod(/dev/capi/13, 020660, 191, 13) failed: Operation not permitted" |
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| 13:24.36 | dingoes | waht is the best traffi c anylizer ..and i want to anlize per ip traffic to? |
| 13:24.44 | CAiRO | i can't get my fritz isdn card to work again with 2.6.16 |
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| 13:24.57 | Gnurdux | a couple months ago i "locked" a package and now i dont know how to unlock it |
| 13:24.57 | petemc | dingoes: i use ipac-ng, not sure if its the best, it works |
| 13:25.09 | CAiRO | udev is running as root, how can the permission be denied to create a device node? |
| 13:25.26 | Gnurdux | locking it prevented it from upgrading in apt |
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| 13:25.27 | heeey | it when i type apt-get install kde-core it cant find the package:( |
| 13:25.37 | fbhjr | dingoes: ntop? snmpd + mrtg |
| 13:25.40 | dingoes | if someone knows another with web interface like mrtg but better to show me pper ip only traffic anlizer |
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| 13:27.16 | Gnurdux | can someone help me? |
| 13:27.42 | heeey | when i type apt-get install kde-core it cant find the package:( have i typed right?? |
| 13:27.51 | macuserondope | dingoes: try munin or cacti |
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| 13:28.32 | dingoes | ok macuserondope thanks all |
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| 13:29.17 | fggshdf | anyone using dcc++ ? |
| 13:29.17 | macuserondope | heeey: try apt-cache search kde-core. does it show up ? |
| 13:29.19 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 13:29.28 | Gnurdux | !tell me about hold |
| 13:29.52 | Gnurdux | !tell me about unhold |
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| 13:30.49 | heeey | macuserondope: nothing shows up when i type that |
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| 13:30.54 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.55 | fggshdf | bbrazil are you using rccp ? |
| 13:31.05 | Gnurdux | why does it say it will remove those now that I have unheld udev |
| 13:31.15 | bbrazil | fggshdf: I'm using none of them |
| 13:31.26 | fggshdf | ok |
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| 13:31.46 | macuserondope | heeey: are you running sarge ? |
| 13:31.56 | Gnurdux | can someone help me? |
| 13:32.11 | heeey | macuserondope: sarge?? |
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| 13:32.54 | macuserondope | heeey: what version of debian do you run ? ( $ cat /etc/issue ) |
| 13:32.58 | miro | hi guys. what if i change the partition-table and want to run fsck...but it doesnt recognize the new partition-table before a reboot. how can i tell the kernel, that a new table has been created? |
| 13:33.11 | Gnurdux | heeey, i just unholded udev, and now it wants to remove gnome-volume-manager, hal, and hotplug |
| 13:33.16 | Gnurdux | why would it do that? |
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| 13:33.32 | dvs | !depends udev |
| 13:33.39 | dpkg | udev: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libselinux1 (>= 1.30), libvolume-id0, initscripts (>= 2.85-16), makedev (>= 2.3.1-77), sed (>= 3.95), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6) |
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| 13:33.55 | Gnurdux | i held it because a long time ago, I had an old kernel so I couldnt upgrade it |
| 13:34.19 | heeey | macuserondope: i run debian 3.1 r1a |
| 13:34.54 | Gnurdux | dvs, im on etch |
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| 13:35.07 | laurens_ | hi |
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| 13:35.36 | laurens_ | I'm installing a HTPC, and I'm running Debian i386 on it. It is, however, an Athlon 64. |
| 13:35.48 | laurens_ | I want to run it in 32 bit mode because of the codecs |
| 13:35.58 | laurens_ | now, i'm compiling my own kernel |
| 13:36.03 | Gnurdux | ok... |
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| 13:36.20 | Gnurdux | i htink 64bit kernels can run 32 bit executables |
| 13:36.22 | laurens_ | if i select "opteron/athlon 64/hammer/k8" in the processor type box |
| 13:36.26 | laurens_ | they can |
| 13:36.30 | buffoon | laurens_: you can also run debian-amd64 with a 32bit chroot for the codecs... I do so... |
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| 13:36.41 | laurens_ | but if i select that,I get a 64 bit kernel right? |
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| 13:37.07 | laurens_ | I'm not sure if there's an execution speed difference if I run a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit userspace |
| 13:37.11 | heeey | macuserondope: i run debian 3.1 r1a |
| 13:37.44 | salah | actually I am facing problem with setuping skype |
| 13:37.45 | dingoes | i got some problems with my iptables i routed the lan ips but i nobody cant connect to my routed ips ...what i must do? |
| 13:38.01 | dingoes | i have internet on mi ips |
| 13:38.05 | laurens_ | salah: libqtmt3? |
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| 13:40.27 | HazyNRG_ | hi, where can i get the win32 codecs? |
| 13:41.39 | dingoes | so someone knows ? how i must route the traffic to allow tcp packest to be forwarded to the lan ips? so if a real ip makes aserver someone form outside can connect to it |
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| 13:42.43 | nicoco | hi ! is there a way to customize gnome's actions menu ? |
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| 13:54.10 | ndice | hi all, i am trying to install debian testing for i386, i got the full cd sets, booted the first one but after partitioning the disk, the debian-installer ask's for a Mirror to download the packages from. Like i have the full cd sets i have no need for a mirror, but i can't get past this step. HELP please |
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| 13:54.35 | kblin | hi |
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| 13:55.02 | Neverther | ndice, there shoud be choice about CD if i remember right |
| 13:55.14 | liran | ndice, during that stage of installation you're asking for a media type, choose cd instead of all the http/ftp/nfs stuff |
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| 13:57.06 | ndice | well, in the first stage the debian-installer does detect that the cd contains a debian distro, but the problem is , that after partitioning the disk it keeps asking for a mirror, and i don't have the option to install from the cd |
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| 13:58.08 | ndice | in the first place, can i install from scratch debian testing ? or do i need to have first some basic installation of the stable one , then dist upgrade ? |
| 13:58.14 | Neverther | ndice, is there a "Install from cd" on mirrors list? :p |
| 13:58.26 | ndice | Neverther, nope :) |
| 13:58.29 | ndice | nothing |
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| 13:58.43 | ndice | and yes, i am sure i did not downloaded the netboot install |
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| 13:58.55 | Neverther | hell, should i throw my woody cd in and test :p |
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| 13:59.24 | ndice | woody ? i am talking about etch :( |
| 13:59.43 | vin` | Neverther: if you want to test, get the latest biz card daily and test. ;) |
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| 13:59.49 | Neverther | yup, but i only got woody cd :D |
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| 14:00.11 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 14:00.16 | ndice | this is where i got the images from, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 14:00.55 | ndice | they all have over 600 M , so why doesn't install from the cd insted of asking for a mirror |
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| 14:01.21 | bliss1_ | vin` thanks for BIOS info |
| 14:01.28 | vin` | ndice: the option got to be there, search. |
| 14:01.37 | ndice | it's NOT :) |
| 14:01.41 | vin` | bliss1_: glad it worked, was a wild guess. ;) |
| 14:01.43 | Neverther | i can take a look and test it |
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| 14:02.20 | ndice | did search , and did read the manual |
| 14:02.24 | Neverther | gentoo and arch found..... |
| 14:02.39 | bliss1_ | vin` only thing computer does not reboot must remove plug and plug in again??? |
| 14:03.02 | vin` | bliss1_: what plug? power? |
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| 14:03.44 | ndice | did anybody ever install "testing" without having to dist upgrade from "stable" first ? |
| 14:03.47 | bliss1_ | vin` it does not reboot just powers down goes off but computer is still running |
| 14:04.10 | vin` | bliss1_: are you using acpi or apm? |
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| 14:04.29 | Neverther | ndice, i stared from woody, upgraded to etch for one day and then switched to sid |
| 14:05.00 | ndice | Neverther, i did that too a couple of times, but neved did installed "testing" from scratch |
| 14:05.14 | vin` | ndice: fresh etch d-i installed on this laptop, didn't try to get all the CDs though. |
| 14:05.24 | bliss1_ | vin' might be ok tomorrow any way how to install x windows on sarge re acpi and apm I will check |
| 14:05.52 | ndice | vin`, so you say etch can be install from scratch eh ? |
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| 14:06.47 | vin` | bliss1_: what window manager are you looking for? x-window-system will pull in everything, x-window-system-core + window manager if you want to customize it. |
| 14:06.48 | ndice | well , in my case it is impossible :) |
| 14:07.08 | Neverther | woot, ubuntu cd found |
| 14:07.14 | ndice | vin`, how did you installed it ? from a mirror ? |
| 14:07.17 | vin` | bliss1_: what's wrong with your network? |
| 14:07.20 | Neverther | still searching debian :( |
| 14:07.28 | ndice | :) |
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| 14:07.37 | salah | Hello |
| 14:07.47 | salah | I hav problem with terminal |
| 14:08.00 | vin` | ndice: yes, installed off the then latest version of etch d-i, few weeks ago. |
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| 14:08.11 | salah | I am facing problem to do C prog in ubuntu terminal |
| 14:08.11 | Neverther | upgrading & fixing PCs for Dummies found lol |
| 14:08.25 | vin` | salah: #ubuntu |
| 14:08.29 | salah | Wht m i suppose to do? |
| 14:08.36 | bliss1_ | vin' x-windows-core + windows manager nothing wrong with network just did not install X by default |
| 14:08.43 | salah | vin: yah |
| 14:08.43 | Maulkin | salah: type /join #ubuntu |
| 14:09.16 | salah | Maulkin : I joined |
| 14:09.23 | Neverther | getting close Sarge AMD63 netinstall found |
| 14:09.25 | ndice | vin`, ok, what i was wondering is what meaning does it have to have the full cd sets and still need some mirror to install the base |
| 14:09.31 | Neverther | 64* |
| 14:09.32 | Maulkin | salah: now type "/part #debian" |
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| 14:09.52 | bliss1_ | vim' gnome desktop would be ok |
| 14:10.02 | vin` | ndice: all I got was the ~40MB business card iso, pulled the rest off the net. |
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| 14:10.42 | ndice | vin`, ok i understand, still i'm not clear on the fact if an offline instalation can be done |
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| 14:10.49 | Neverther | knoppix found! |
| 14:10.55 | ndice | Neverther, haha :) |
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| 14:11.21 | vin` | bliss1_: the 'gnome' or 'gnome-desktop-environment', the cruft varies. ;) |
| 14:12.02 | Neverther | ndice, found sarge 386 netinstall, best i can test :p |
| 14:12.27 | vin` | ndice: if you're certain the install from CD ain't there, file a bug to make it more obvious. |
| 14:12.27 | ndice | Neverther, net install means --> mirror need |
| 14:12.41 | bliss1_ | vin so if i invoke apt-get update then apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment that should do it? |
| 14:12.47 | ndice | it sure ain't |
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| 14:12.58 | vin` | bliss1_: add in x-window-system core. |
| 14:13.12 | vin` | x-window-system-core |
| 14:13.50 | ndice | Neverther, i could have downloaded the net install , but since i don't have a permanent net connection i could not install all from the net, that's why i got the full cd sets |
| 14:14.22 | ndice | oh and allmost forgot, the stable installs with not a problem from the cd's |
| 14:14.29 | ndice | but not the testing |
| 14:14.30 | ndice | :) |
| 14:14.35 | bliss1_ | vin` thanks get back to you about acpi and apm |
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| 14:16.13 | ndice | well, i guess i should look a little more for that option, see ya and thanks |
| 14:17.52 | Neverther | ndice, sorry i couldn't help |
| 14:18.20 | ndice | maybe i'm asking the wrong question :) bye all |
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| 14:19.08 | mejo | hello |
| 14:19.33 | mejo | i restarted syslog-ng recently, but now it doesn't start any longer. syslog-ng -Fd gives 'File size limit exceede'. |
| 14:19.59 | mejo | even after moving /var/log/syslog away, the same error occurs. |
| 14:20.48 | De_Mon | mejo you sure you moved the right file? |
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| 14:20.58 | mejo | De_Mon: yes, /var/log/syslog |
| 14:21.11 | mejo | De_Mon: but maybe the problem is not /var/log/syslog. |
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| 14:23.44 | mejo | De_Mon: it may also be auth.log, daemon.log, kern.log, lpr.log, mail.log, user.log, uucp.log, mail.info, mail.warn, mail.err, news/news.crit, news/news.notice, news/news.err, debug, messages, etc. |
| 14:24.15 | De_Mon | mejo shouldnt logrotate be moving those for you? |
| 14:25.14 | mejo | De_Mon: yes, and it does that indeed. |
| 14:25.35 | mejo | i don't think that any of the log files is the problem. the problem seems to be somewhere else. |
| 14:26.22 | De_Mon | yeah it sounds like a conf problem |
| 14:26.39 | mejo | De_Mon: but i didn't change anything in the config |
| 14:26.58 | vin` | "Apr 8 17:22:39 nirvana identd[8224]: netlink_lookup: write failed: Connection refused" what should I tweak? |
| 14:27.04 | minerale | I'm on a machine where ssh x11 forwarding is disabled, I've set $DISPLAY to point to my IP:0.0 ... but I'm getting an error: "Xlib: No protocol specified" -> What kind of variable should I specify ? |
| 14:27.11 | De_Mon | mejo plenty of space free on the target partition, right? |
| 14:27.37 | mejo | De_Mon: yes, no problem with that. 39G available. |
| 14:27.50 | De_Mon | minerale tcpip is disabled on x by default |
| 14:28.50 | mejo | last lines of an strace are: |
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| 14:28.59 | mejo | poll([{fd=5, events=POLLOUT, revents=POLLOUT}, {fd=6, events=POLLOUT, revents=POLLOUT}, {fd=7, events=POLLOUT, revents=POLLOUT}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 5, 179991) = 3 |
| 14:29.03 | mejo | stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=837, ...}) = 0 |
| 14:29.06 | mejo | write(5, "Apr 8 16:27:58 merkur86 syslog-"..., 81) = -1 EFBIG (File too large) |
| 14:29.08 | mejo | --- SIGXFSZ (File size limit exceeded) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 14:29.11 | mejo | +++ killed by SIGXFSZ +++ |
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| 14:30.03 | De_Mon | vin` a quick google search says http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=305926 |
| 14:30.07 | De_Mon | is your answer |
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| 14:31.08 | De_Mon | mejo i don't think those lines show the error |
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| 14:31.31 | minerale | how do you restart sshd? (I could kill it but then I loose connectivity) |
| 14:32.00 | De_Mon | minerale you can restart sshd, and the next time you log in it will use the new version |
| 14:32.40 | ChrisW | minerale: /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 14:32.49 | ChrisW | it's clever, it'll keep your connection open... |
| 14:32.51 | De_Mon | erm, whatever.. each connection spawns its own process |
| 14:33.01 | minerale | thanks, Chris |
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| 14:34.51 | vin` | De_Mon: I don't see CONFIG_IP_TCPDIAG in 2.6.16 |
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| 14:35.04 | Dexter_F | hi |
| 14:35.47 | De_Mon | vin` downgrade pident, or see if the version mentioned in the bug is available |
| 14:36.28 | vin` | De_Mon: I ain't running pident, ident here. |
| 14:37.22 | vin` | De_Mon: oh, what'dya know, I am running pident |
| 14:38.18 | De_Mon | vin` :P CONFIG_IP_TCPDIAG has been available since 2.6.10 and probably longer |
| 14:38.34 | mejo | De_Mon: the problem was, that both /var/log/syslog and /var/log/daemon had exceeded the size limit. thanks for your help. |
| 14:39.19 | De_Mon | mejo arn't you logrotating those logs |
| 14:39.55 | mejo | De_Mon: yes, i am. and they where logrotated. it seems like they exceed the limit in one day (because they are rotated every day). |
| 14:40.14 | De_Mon | mejo how big are they? must not be using stat64 |
| 14:41.32 | oskie | what's a good font for viewing MSDOS text in debian? |
| 14:41.33 | inc|freaky | if a error occured while installing debian, and i had to restart. how to continue package installation from that point? |
| 14:42.32 | minerale | I have setup a daemon to run, but it only runs if $JAVA_HOME is preset... where can I set an env in such a case? |
| 14:43.28 | ootput | hi guys, I have a quick c-related question: how do i write a function that takes in an char-type array, and an integer? |
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| 14:44.07 | dvs | ootput: What? Like the main function? |
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| 14:44.34 | ootput | dvs: ah, like void myFun (char arra[], int x) ? |
| 14:44.36 | crypt_ex | I have unloaded a kernel module, usbcore, where is the module so I can load it back with insmod? |
| 14:44.47 | ootput | dvs: it will be called from the main(), yes |
| 14:45.07 | thingfish | inc|freaky: where did it stop or error out? And where is it now? |
| 14:45.26 | inc|freaky | nm i did dpgk --reconfigure -a and it continues now ;D |
| 14:45.35 | thingfish | ;) |
| 14:46.17 | crypt_ex | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko does not work. produces this error insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko': -1 File exists. |
| 14:46.27 | oskie | is there a document with info on fonts in debian? i'm thinking defoma, X fonts, gnome fonts, .... |
| 14:46.36 | crypt_ex | even though the module is not loaded after checking in lsmod |
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| 14:48.36 | crypt_ex | just used modprobe instead and it worked :D |
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| 14:50.30 | fbhjr | is insmod deprectaed in favor of modprobe? |
| 14:50.56 | thingfish | I believe so; at least that's what I've seen many people say in this channel. |
| 14:51.17 | dvs | fbhjr: yes |
| 14:51.17 | vin` | De_Mon: in .16 it's now CONFIG_INET_DIAG, module name tcp_diag, I guess it ain't loaded by default. |
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| 14:52.58 | vin` | fbhjr: modprobe handles dependencies finer. |
| 14:54.08 | Mazingaro | please, help me: I need to scan for ip address of ethernets attached to a switch... how can I achieve that? thanks |
| 14:54.26 | ChrisW | why do you want to? |
| 14:54.47 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: I need to know ip address of a box attached to my lan |
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| 14:55.09 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: I don't know ip address of that box... |
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| 14:57.13 | ChrisW | why? |
| 14:57.19 | ChrisW | where is the box? |
| 14:58.12 | startxwhite | i managed to install sarge on a P133 2gb 64mb ram laptop and everything seems to be working ok including my cardbus wifi card. i am running icewm and firefox takes ages to start but it works ok. can anyone give me some tips to save RAM *without* having to compile the kernel? |
| 14:58.49 | dvs | startxwhite: Yeah, don't use KDE or GNOME |
| 14:58.53 | stew | vin`: cool, good to know |
| 14:59.03 | vin` | dvs: he's using icewm |
| 14:59.06 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: the box is connected at my lan switch |
| 14:59.38 | dvs | Mazingaro: Actually, try and ping the broadcast address. |
| 14:59.39 | vin` | startxwhite: how much RAM is icewm using? |
| 14:59.54 | startxwhite | dvs: i do not use kde or gnome. i would not be able to use any of those since i only have 300MBs left on my hd. |
| 15:00.02 | dvs | doh! |
| 15:00.09 | startxwhite | i do not want kde nor gnome! |
| 15:00.11 | vin` | startxwhite: try ion3 |
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| 15:00.39 | vin` | startxwhite: firefox is a hog though. |
| 15:00.41 | Mazingaro | dvs: like ping -b 255.255.255.255 ???? |
| 15:00.59 | dvs | Mazingaro: do you know your own IP address? |
| 15:01.15 | LordNazgul | starwhite use fluxbox |
| 15:01.16 | finn | "hciconfig /dev/hci0 up" gives me "Can't init device hci0: Input/Output error (5)" |
| 15:01.18 | Mazingaro | dvs: my lan is located at 192.168.254.0 |
| 15:01.33 | dvs | Mazingaro: Then try ping 192.168.254.255 |
| 15:02.10 | Mazingaro | dvs: but I don't know if the box with the unknown ip address is on the same net of mylan |
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| 15:07.02 | ndice | hi all |
| 15:07.09 | ottmar | hola a todos ! |
| 15:07.15 | ottmar | hola ndice |
| 15:07.37 | ottmar | lets make debian the system of the future ! |
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| 15:07.56 | ndice | why not! firt lets be able to install it :) |
| 15:08.05 | ottmar | yeah |
| 15:09.23 | ottmar | we have 13 workings installations (7 servers, 6 workstations within differente networks ) |
| 15:11.20 | ndice | let me post out the error i get when i am trying to install debian "testing", well after booting and selecting the keyboard , the language and all, and after detecting a valid debian CD-ROM, and after partitioning the disk, when it comes to "INSTALLING THE BASE SYSTEM", i get this error: "The installer cannot figure out how to install the base system.No installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured". how comes ? it doesn |
| 15:11.20 | ndice | 't let me specify that i want it to install from the CD in the first place, and i have the full CD sets |
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| 15:12.34 | ChrisW | Mazingaro: found it yet? |
| 15:12.36 | ndice | so it makes no sense that it asks for a mirror since i got the full cd's not just the net boot image |
| 15:12.46 | ChrisW | I was going to suggest going to the box and typing "ifconfig" on it ;-) |
| 15:12.57 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: no :( |
| 15:13.08 | ottmar | ndice: we prefer to do a network install instead cd install... we don't have to much experience with cd install... |
| 15:13.13 | asg | ndice: just because you have the discs, that doesn't mean that an network installation isn't an option. |
| 15:13.27 | ottmar | ndice ah |
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| 15:13.58 | ndice | asg, agree with that, but i would like a cd install to, since i downloaded the full cd sets |
| 15:14.03 | ChrisW | Mazingaro: what's stopping you physically going to the device in question? |
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| 15:14.15 | ChrisW | is the IP address coming from a DHCP server? |
| 15:14.38 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: no keyboard, no mouse and no monitor |
| 15:14.48 | ChrisW | plug one in? |
| 15:15.00 | ottmar | there are many bugs with different motherboard architectures .... |
| 15:15.13 | ndice | asg, in the first place, does the debian installer allow for a cd install, not over the network, in the case of "testing" ? |
| 15:15.18 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: this box has got a 13w3 monitor connector |
| 15:15.28 | ndice | asg, i know it does in the case of "stable" |
| 15:15.30 | asg | ndice: well, I've never tracked testing and if I did, I'd upgrade to it from a fresh stable install anyway. I'd lurk and ask if anyone else knows. It is possibly a bug in the testing installer but I don't know for sure. |
| 15:15.52 | ottmar | sometimes the problem is not Debian but a buggy hardware, mainly with the allways changing IDE/SATA implementations |
| 15:15.57 | ChrisW | Mazingaro: does it have a DHCP ip address? |
| 15:16.05 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: no |
| 15:16.06 | asg | ndice: I can't see any reason for them to remove the 'install from cd' option from the testing installer. |
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| 15:16.17 | ChrisW | Mazingaro: ah, did you try the broadcast ping? |
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| 15:16.47 | ndice | asg, well i spended a lot of time searching for that option, and it's not included |
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| 15:17.02 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: yes, no way |
| 15:17.20 | asg | ndice: did you try the 'expert' install method? |
| 15:17.30 | ndice | asg, yep |
| 15:17.31 | asg | ndice: if not, I'd suggest doing that |
| 15:17.42 | ndice | asg, went with that |
| 15:17.45 | asg | hmmm |
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| 15:18.10 | ndice | yes, hmm, did a lot of that miself :) |
| 15:18.37 | ChrisW | Mazingaro: hmm, well, is the box turned on? is it doing anything? |
| 15:18.42 | Mazingaro | yes |
| 15:18.47 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: yes |
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| 15:18.53 | medusaXX | hi |
| 15:18.59 | ChrisW | run a packet sniffer, get the ip address fromthe traffic it's emitting |
| 15:19.03 | asg | ndice: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ (might have some insight) |
| 15:19.09 | ndice | asg, that "check cd-rom integrity" after scanning all the packages in /pool/main sais the the cdrom is valid |
| 15:19.12 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: it's hd worked, I hope it's running IRIX |
| 15:19.43 | medusaXX | when i install debian sarge from CD1, it stops partitioning because it cannot mount the swap |
| 15:19.47 | ndice | asg, and no idea why they removed from the debian's web page the installhowto for the "testint" distro |
| 15:19.58 | medusaXX | although i can mount i on console using "swapon" |
| 15:20.01 | asg | ndice: I've got to run, good luck though. |
| 15:20.09 | ndice | k thanks |
| 15:20.09 | medusaXX | anybody knows why? |
| 15:20.49 | phaedral | looking for a clue why i can ssh into my box via local ip but not via dyndns; is it likely to be an ssh setting on the box? |
| 15:21.07 | ChrisW | Mazingaro: did you try what I just suggested... |
| 15:21.28 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: ping -b 255.255.255.255 |
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| 15:23.50 | magyar | is there a utility that will combine two avi file segments? |
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| 15:24.16 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: trying nmap |
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| 15:24.24 | phaedral | dpkg pointed me to ddclient; when ddclient asks "which interface" it's looking for something like "eth0"? |
| 15:24.43 | finn | modprobe: Can't locate module bluetooth < how do I solve that? |
| 15:24.44 | ChrisW | don';t think nmap's gonna help you, that's a port scanner |
| 15:24.51 | ChrisW | you need to know the address t oscan the ports for... |
| 15:25.01 | Mazingaro | ok |
| 15:25.07 | oskie | does defoma support bitmap (PCF) fonts? |
| 15:25.21 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: but I'm going to scan 255.255.255.255 for open ports |
| 15:26.18 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: what about an arp tool? |
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| 15:26.42 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: like netdiscover |
| 15:27.04 | cahoot | oskie: IIRC you get the option in dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 15:27.42 | rata | hi |
| 15:28.20 | rata | which is the correct way to set up one interface with more than one ip address, and that it is up with all ips at boot time ? |
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| 15:29.25 | r_marvin | you add eth0:0 as another interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:29.32 | rata | actually i am using post-up and pre-down to run scripts that it puts up the other ips... but i dont really like it |
| 15:29.51 | rata | r_marvin, and without doing that :) |
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| 15:29.57 | r_marvin | at least that's what i do |
| 15:30.05 | magyar | i am looking for a util that would combine divx files on linux |
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| 15:31.14 | rata | r_marvin, i prefer using ip command, but i don't know the correct way to intergrate it to /etc/networking/interfaces, and do not understand, if it says, in the man |
| 15:31.32 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: netdiscover :) |
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| 15:31.44 | monra | hello |
| 15:32.00 | r_marvin | rata: then post-up looks like the right way |
| 15:32.11 | monra | I have a problem with my Debian Sarge guys! |
| 15:32.44 | Malagmyr | just ask |
| 15:33.16 | monra | When I'm in a console and do something wrong for example in vi when I want to go in a place whith no ENTER or so computer make a loud "beep" an dit is very annoyning |
| 15:34.04 | gcbirzan | setterm -blength 0 |
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| 15:34.52 | monra | gcbirzan, Where should I add this? |
| 15:35.25 | rata | r_marvin, but there was a problem if you try to get it up and do not 'delete' the links to other ips in the device, as far as i remember... |
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| 15:35.54 | rata | r_marvin, or if some ip have a problem to 'get up' |
| 15:36.05 | rata | monra, rmmod pcspkr |
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| 15:36.23 | r_marvin | rata: no idea, then, sorry |
| 15:37.19 | monra | rata, where exactly is this file? |
| 15:37.20 | rata | r_marvin, thanks a lot :) |
| 15:37.39 | enerv | is possible compile in debian 64 bits, executable 32 bits? |
| 15:38.34 | monra | ? |
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| 15:39.41 | monra | any ideas ? |
| 15:39.49 | De_Mon | enerv huh? |
| 15:39.50 | rata | monra, which file ? |
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| 15:40.14 | monra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.09 | enerv | De_Mon, he is possivel to compile 32 bits in a system 64 bits? |
| 15:41.21 | rata | monra, pcspkr is a kernel module, wich let you 'beep' basically, with rmmod you 'unload' the kernel module. Put that on a console ass root, and let magic begins ;) |
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| 15:42.30 | monra | k |
| 15:43.28 | monra | woarking thans |
| 15:43.35 | monra | thanks rata |
| 15:43.46 | rata | monra, you are welcome :) |
| 15:44.25 | hytll | I put a wireless pcmcia card in my laptop, but it always shows up as eth0, not wlan0. Is there a way to change this? |
| 15:44.28 | finn | modprobe: Can't locate module bluetooth how do I get modprobe to load/find it? |
| 15:44.56 | hytll | finn: do you have bluetooth.o under /lib/modules somewhere? |
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| 15:47.19 | monra | Guys, one more question! I need to have a p2p program in my Debian Sarge! Any ideas which is the best that supports Debain? |
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| 15:47.47 | r_marvin | monra: what protocol? |
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| 15:48.09 | monra | I mean, something like LimeWire to download music and stuff |
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| 15:48.25 | gnychis | when i open a terminal with my regular user, i have colors and ~/.bashrc is loaded. Whenever I "su" to root, I loes all colors and root's .bashrc doesn't load, what can i do here? |
| 15:48.37 | triptec | most popular C editor for win(building for linux)? |
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| 15:49.15 | phyrster | is there a tool to tell what is the encoding of a file name? |
| 15:50.47 | triptec | gnychis: : you'll ned to copy your .bashrc too the /root dir |
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| 15:51.20 | triptec | I need a spellcheck... |
| 15:51.21 | monra | You think bittorent is good? |
| 15:51.31 | triptec | monra the best |
| 15:51.33 | rhruby | Wi-Spy help.... Probably a simple question, but an anyone tell me what curses.deb I need to satisy this error? |
| 15:51.36 | rhruby | checking for initscr in -lncurses... no |
| 15:51.36 | rhruby | checking for initscr in -lcurses... no |
| 15:51.36 | rhruby | configure: WARNING: *** Could not find curses library. Curses grapher will not be built. |
| 15:51.42 | monra | k |
| 15:51.47 | Eclipser | is there a quick way to reload all sound related modules? (as if booting) |
| 15:51.54 | r_marvin | rhruby: libncurses5-dev , i guess |
| 15:52.40 | monra | I'm downloadin bittorent then |
| 15:52.48 | rhruby | Thanks r_marvin it's worha try. I've heard of curses, but have no idea as to what it is :-( still learning.... |
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| 15:53.00 | cahoot | Eclipser: here's a thread for you if you still struggle with sound card ordering:http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15611.html |
| 15:53.07 | monra | thanks all of you |
| 15:53.09 | monra | bye |
| 15:54.08 | cahoot | Eclipser: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload I guess |
| 15:54.45 | triptec | anyone how program for unix use win ide??? |
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| 15:57.12 | rhruby | r_marvin that was it. Thanks!!! How are you people at GTK+???? Thats the final error I'm dealing with (I hope) |
| 15:57.22 | rhruby | Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 15:57.22 | rhruby | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' |
| 15:57.22 | rhruby | to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
| 15:57.22 | rhruby | No package 'gtk+-2.0' found |
| 15:57.22 | rhruby | Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
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| 15:58.03 | monra | guys! I have download Bittorent.deb how do I uninstall it? |
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| 15:58.34 | monra | doesn't seems workign with apt-get install bittorent.deb |
| 15:58.34 | Eclipser | cahoot, I hope that stuff from the mailing list worked :) |
| 15:58.49 | Eclipser | alsa force-reload seems to have loaded them in the correct order at least |
| 15:58.56 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: done! with netdiscover |
| 15:59.08 | franklin_ | monra, dpkg -i bittorent.deb |
| 15:59.19 | Mazingaro | ChrisW: 172.19.1.4 08:00:69:08:ac:0a 01 060 SILICON GRAPHICS INC. |
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| 15:59.27 | r_marvin | monra: apt-get install bittorrent |
| 15:59.31 | r_marvin | no deb |
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| 16:00.20 | rhruby | Guess pasting was s stupid thing huh.... sorry. |
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| 16:00.31 | ndice_ | asg, still there ? |
| 16:00.47 | monra | I installed bittorent with your way franklin but get this error |
| 16:00.49 | monra | raceback (most recent call last): |
| 16:00.49 | monra | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.49 | monra | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.49 | monra | ImportError: No module named platform |
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| 16:01.18 | ndice_ | vin`, still there ? |
| 16:01.18 | rhruby | Hey! Guess I'm not the only one! Kewl! |
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| 16:01.59 | cgsred | hmmm, I'm trying to partition an usb device, but every time when I hit w in fdisk, it says the partition table has already been altered and it doesn't save changes |
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| 16:03.11 | franklin_ | cgsred, have you tried ejecting your usb thing ? |
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| 16:03.41 | dst_ | cgsred: What is the exact phrase? |
| 16:03.54 | monra | so you saw my error? |
| 16:03.54 | dst_ | it is normal for fdisk to print "The partition table has been altered!" |
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| 16:05.05 | cgsred | but it 'doesn't save changes' |
| 16:05.14 | monra | raceback (most recent call last): |
| 16:05.14 | monra | monra File "/usr/bin/bittorrent", line 17, in ? |
| 16:05.14 | monra | monra from BitTorrent.platform import install_translation |
| 16:05.14 | monra | monra ImportError: No module named platform |
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| 16:05.19 | pusling | !xmd5 |
| 16:05.19 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 16:05.55 | franklin_ | monra, as far as i understood, the installation went fine. then when you start the program, it dies with an error. then i can't help... i don't it ;( |
| 16:06.02 | dst_ | cgsred: What is the exact error message? |
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| 16:06.34 | monra | oops sorry, didn't get I shouldn't paste! |
| 16:06.45 | franklin_ | monra, as far as i understood, the installation went fine. then when you start the program, it dies with an error. then i can't help... i don't it ;( |
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| 16:07.25 | monra | frankie, ok |
| 16:07.31 | monra | no ideas either? |
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| 16:07.48 | c0de5 | hi all |
| 16:07.49 | c0de5 | :) |
| 16:08.04 | c0de5 | uname -a |
| 16:08.04 | c0de5 | SunOS comm.engr 5.8 Generic_108529-16 i86pc i386 i86pc |
| 16:08.26 | cgsred | why can't I change the partition layout on my usb drive? |
| 16:08.28 | franklin_ | monra, BTW, if you need to paste something, use pastebin.com |
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| 16:08.56 | r_marvin | monra: that's why you shoud install via apt-get |
| 16:09.15 | r_marvin | you miss some other dependencies |
| 16:09.20 | cgsred | dst ? |
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| 16:09.47 | dst_ | cgsred: If you tell us the exact error message, there might be a chance to help you. My crystal ball is currently being repaired. |
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| 16:10.14 | c0de5 | alguem do brasil? |
| 16:10.56 | r_marvin | !br |
| 16:10.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:11.05 | SharpeE|Away | hello |
| 16:11.07 | SharpeE|Away | ? |
| 16:11.28 | SharpeE|Away | is any1 here. Who can help me? |
| 16:11.41 | dst_ | maybe |
| 16:11.43 | r_marvin | !any1 |
| 16:11.43 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 16:11.46 | c0de5 | dpkg thank :) |
| 16:11.46 | dpkg | c0de5: pas de quoi |
| 16:11.59 | c0de5 | dpkg eu tambem falo ingles ta.. lero lero \o |
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| 16:12.05 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 16:13.05 | yassine | for some reason when i try to apt-get install ipw2200-source i get an error message : E: Couldn't find package ipw2200-source even that im using the testing packages and its listed on the debian site |
| 16:13.10 | yassine | any idea or help ? |
| 16:13.40 | cgsred | dst: whenever I try to edit it with fdisk it says that the partition table has been altered, it re-reads it and my changes are not applied |
| 16:13.40 | SharpeE|Away | ok |
| 16:13.41 | sbk | Is there a PCL (the hp printing language) viewer for debian? For various reasons, I'd like to directly generate pcl from a program, and be able to view the results before printing it |
| 16:13.52 | SharpeE|Away | I dony know which debain version/type i need... all this alpha and stuff is confuzing. I want to be able to run WEB,FTP,CS and a few other things. |
| 16:13.58 | SharpeE|Away | what is better for a newb? |
| 16:15.07 | cgsred | dst: should I reboot? |
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| 16:16.01 | dst_ | cgsred: if you like to |
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| 16:16.50 | cgsred | dst: but thats unlikely to help.. what do you suggest I do? |
| 16:17.29 | dst_ | cgsred: I asked you for the EXACT ERROR MESSAGE three times. Without that noone can help you. |
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| 16:18.27 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 16:18.49 | monra | Seems I cannot do anything with bittorent, what elses programs like these are? |
| 16:18.58 | bliss1_ | vin`hello |
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| 16:19.11 | cahoot | sbk: look for pcl2ps here: http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/ps.html |
| 16:19.25 | sbk | cahoot: ah, many thanks. |
| 16:19.54 | monra | ? |
| 16:19.57 | monra | any ideas? |
| 16:20.13 | Kinks | monra: if you're asking for bt clients, there's bit tornado and azureus (though azureus needs X and java and there's no debian package as far as I know) |
| 16:20.32 | monra | I'm asking for clients like LimeWire |
| 16:20.53 | Kinks | if you want music there's soulseek.. a good linux client is nicotine. |
| 16:20.54 | bliss1_ | just installed sarge 3.1r1 had to install gnome-desktop-environment and tried to run startx and start-x but no joy |
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| 16:21.31 | sbk | cahoot: that only does text, it looks like. My stuff is a bitmap, pretty much. I'll google for other similar options |
| 16:21.55 | cahoot | sbk: look further down |
| 16:22.24 | monra | so? |
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| 16:23.16 | lehel | hey.. |
| 16:23.25 | sbk | cahoot: *nod* just realized that too :-) thanks |
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| 16:23.45 | lehel | somebody could suggest me some useful dox for installing/configuring postifx with stuff ?.. |
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| 16:24.52 | cahoot | lehel: google moste certainly can |
| 16:25.13 | lehel | yap |
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| 16:27.35 | Kinks | I just realised I forgot other search engines than google exist. |
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| 16:28.32 | monra | Kinks, I donwloaded nicotine but how does it works? |
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| 16:29.12 | franklin_ | bliss1_, did you try xorgconfig (or xf86config if you run XFree86)... |
| 16:29.26 | Eclipser | how can I check what dpi setting my X currently has? :p |
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| 16:31.07 | cahoot | Eclipser: xdpyinfo |
| 16:31.33 | cahoot | Eclipser: or simply grep for dpi in x log |
| 16:31.35 | Kinks | monra: ask the nicotine site.. not me.. they have a FAQ |
| 16:31.58 | bliss1_ | franklin: thanks I be back soon |
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| 16:32.15 | monra | Kinks, I manage to connect but doen'st seem have many files! |
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| 16:33.37 | Kinks | monra: if you have trouble finding what you want then feel free to use something else, I don't care. |
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| 16:35.42 | monra | Kinks, something else! Whta password should I use and username at Settings? |
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| 16:36.50 | magyar | is there a package like "virtualdub" for sarge? |
| 16:37.19 | Kinks | monra: whatever you want, if an account doesn't exist it'll create it.. now stop asking me about it please. |
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| 16:37.42 | ice_1963 | is there a better browser |
| 16:38.02 | Kinks | ice_1963: I have no idea what 'better browser' is supposed to imply. |
| 16:38.11 | Kinks | ice_1963: nor do I know 'in comparison to what' |
| 16:38.15 | cgsred | dst: I delete the current partition on it, hit 'w' to write and I get: "The partition table has been altered!" "Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table." "Syncing disks." |
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| 16:39.13 | zimm2 | hi, im trying to install "testing" on a toshiba qosmio f20 lap-top, and having considerable issues .. firstly, booting straight off the netinst cd, the installer fails to see the cd-drive, i googled around and tried switching to a console asap and issuing "modprobe -r ahci ata_piix libata" then "modprobe libata atapi_enabled=1" this got things moving, but now it hangs when loading the partitioner ... always at the same point (58%) |
| 16:39.13 | zimm2 | .... anyone got any suggestions ? |
| 16:39.18 | cgsred | dst: and I'm back at my prompt. If I check, I still have the old partition table |
| 16:39.37 | eegore | is there a way to export the evolution address and folders to a file? |
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| 16:39.54 | eegore | *settings? |
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| 16:42.13 | franklin_ | zimm2, anything interessing in the syslog ? (see console 4 ==> Alt-F4) |
| 16:43.22 | zimm2 | franklin_, dunno mate sorry , its a dual boot and im back in winxp ... was watching dmesg in Alt-F2 when it happened.. seems to be a kernel panic.. |
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| 16:44.41 | franklin_ | zimm2, [i might be wrong about Alt-F4... i'dont install my boxes very often ;)] |
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| 16:44.58 | fggshdf | any ideea about this |
| 16:45.00 | fggshdf | '/tmp/tmp.N1KcR3' could not be opened: |
| 16:45.02 | fggshdf | TOTorrentDeserialise: Torrent is zero length ('tmp.N1KcR3') |
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| 16:45.14 | fggshdf | this is what i get when i try to use azureus ... |
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| 16:45.26 | fggshdf | why it cannot open that . ? |
| 16:45.34 | fggshdf | the torent its ok |
| 16:46.15 | zimm2 | franklin_, hehe .. i havent used linux in about 3 years man .. im a little rusty on it all myself .. i can install a 2.4, but need 2.6 to use my wireless card.. (only have the local pubs wifi as a net connection) |
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| 16:47.05 | franklin_ | zimm2, did you successfully install 2.4 ? |
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| 16:47.52 | franklin_ | zimm2, you could install 2.6.15 after the installation is completed. |
| 16:47.55 | zimm2 | yup.. but then if i switch to a 2.6,.. it wont succesfully reboot into it .. as i run into lots of sata issues |
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| 16:49.03 | T_V | hello all. i was wondering: is it possible to see (quickly) which packages are installed ? |
| 16:49.05 | franklin_ | zimm2, you could install grub to easily switch you kernel. |
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| 16:49.31 | thingfish | T_V: dpkg -l | less |
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| 16:49.44 | zimm2 | franklin_, yeh grubs in there.. but just cant get 2.6 to boot .. |
| 16:49.45 | T_V | thingfish: ok. |
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| 16:50.13 | zimm2 | was hoping that if i could find a way of installing with 2.6, id avoid all the transition errors . |
| 16:50.52 | zimm2 | and 2.6.8 on stable wont even see my hard-drive at all .. lol .. |
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| 16:52.12 | zimm2 | besides, i believe the 2.6.15 includes the ipw2200 mods i need .. whilst 2.6.8 doesnt |
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| 16:54.11 | franklin_ | zimm2, if you use grub as bootloader, upgrading a kernel is as simple as apt-get'ing it. |
| 16:54.35 | zimm2 | cant apt-get ,. without a net connection :) |
| 16:54.41 | zimm2 | anyway .. |
| 16:54.51 | zimm2 | its installed .. just wont boot |
| 16:55.00 | r_marvin | zimm2: download the package and dpkg -i |
| 16:55.09 | r_marvin | oh |
| 16:55.12 | zimm2 | cant open console 432 blah foo ... (from memory) |
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| 16:55.25 | T_V | franklin_: thanks! |
| 16:55.33 | lewis22 | does a symbolic link have all the same attributes (i.e. read/write) as its target? |
| 16:56.21 | franklin_ | T_V, you welcome. |
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| 16:57.46 | zimm2 | hehe .. i cant even ...well , i cant really do very much with a 2.4 system that doesnt include wireless support thats installed soley from a netinst cd .. |
| 16:58.17 | Vsajanas | My game ----> http://www.thricesoft.com/download.php?list.5 |
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| 16:58.57 | franklin_ | zimm2, if you dual boot, you can DL files to your partition (save it on FAT32 usb key) and upgrade from that 2.4 |
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| 17:00.27 | zimm2 | yeh .. but thats a last resort ..you end up forgetting one *.deb, and re-booting all fsckin night :).. would just like it to work, besides its bugging me now , there must be a way round it .. |
| 17:01.29 | zimm2 | if it would just get past that "partitioner" stage it'd all be good .. |
| 17:01.39 | zimm2 | till the next issue i suopose |
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| 17:04.37 | franklin_ | zimm2, you use netinst-cd, right ? does the latest debian-testing CD1 uses the same 2.6 kernel ? |
| 17:05.35 | zimm2 | presume so .. its downloading as we type .. but slooooowly.. and its a 30 mile drive to buy a blank disc to burn it too .. |
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| 17:08.43 | sbk | How can I find out which package a particular include file (in my case, X11/Intrinsic.h) resides? |
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| 17:10.06 | franklin_ | sbk, dpkg -S Intrinsic.h |
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| 17:10.23 | sbk | franklin_: ah, many thanks |
| 17:10.25 | Tarot | hi |
| 17:11.25 | cahoot | how would I go about to make a cron job (in cron.hourly) that makes mutt send a specific file to my mail account? |
| 17:11.59 | zimm2 | ok, gonna go mess around with it again .. laters and thanks franklin_ |
| 17:12.15 | js_ | laters, taters |
| 17:12.16 | franklin_ | zimm2, ok. |
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| 17:14.27 | maxb | How can I make dpkg forget about old packages which were once installed but which are now purged and do not exist any more? |
| 17:14.30 | franklin_ | cahoot, why use mutt ? see mpack |
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| 17:14.43 | maxb | I expected --forget-old-unavail to do that, but it doesn't. |
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| 17:15.40 | bliss1_ | hi |
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| 17:16.29 | bliss1_ | franklin_ hello |
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| 17:16.51 | gnychis | how can i create a file of size 10MB from random data, like from /dev/random or something ? |
| 17:17.09 | franklin_ | cahoot, something like : mpack -s "Test email" /tmp/myfile nobody@example.com |
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| 17:17.53 | cahoot | franklin_: thanks I'll have a try |
| 17:20.20 | cahoot | franklin_: thanks again - works as advertised |
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| 17:21.24 | maxb | gnychis: dd if=/dev/urandom of=somefile count=10 bs=1M |
| 17:21.43 | bliss1_ | franklin_ must alter the colour depth in XFree86 from 24 to 4.3 or 5 I think |
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| 17:24.20 | franklin_ | cahoot, actualy, mutt works too : echo Body_text | mutt -x -a /tmp/myfile -s "test mutt" me@example.com |
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| 17:24.55 | franklin_ | bliss1_, is it fine now ? |
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| 17:27.09 | bliss1_ | franklin_ not yet I think I got the correct chipset etc but its the depth I set to 24 i think its called depth well it should be 4.3 so there is a setting for 5 so i will try that |
| 17:27.10 | deoryp_ | Lame Question for someone: How do i install the Kernal build files? |
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| 17:27.40 | bliss1_ | franklin_ but is XFree86 the correct file to alter |
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| 17:28.20 | vin` | bliss1_: what's up? |
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| 17:29.20 | bliss1_ | vin' hows it going just need to alter the depth in I think file name XFee86 not sure |
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| 17:30.03 | vin` | !drxx bliss1_ |
| 17:30.03 | dpkg | bliss1_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:30.55 | vin` | bliss1_: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 17:31.00 | franklin_ | bliss1_, X11 config file is either /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf (depending on the X server you have). |
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| 17:31.07 | bliss1_ | vin' sarge |
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| 17:31.41 | vin` | bliss1_: ok, then it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as franklin_ stated above. |
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| 17:32.41 | zimm2 | franklin_, well.. for some freason its now working :).. now just got to get the firmware etc for the ipw2200 stuff.... |
| 17:33.03 | deoryp_ | i am trying to get a diver to work but i idon't have the path "/lib/modules/XXX/build/" |
| 17:33.25 | bliss1_ | franklin_ I configured I think it was XFee86 when i installed x-window-system-core but it may have as suggeted XF86Config-4 I am not sure |
| 17:33.32 | franklin_ | zimm2, ?? same netinst kernel ?? |
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| 17:34.37 | zimm2 | i just finished the 2.4 install, and migrated to the 2.6 kernel, then, having told grub that it was now sd not hd .. got no errors on boot.. strange huh .. dontcha just love computers.. lol |
| 17:34.55 | franklin_ | bliss1_, you would have only one of those, anyway. BTW, what's wrong with 24bpp? |
| 17:35.33 | zimm2 | incidentally, ive always been a lilo person .. wheres the config file for grub ? dont want to have to edit entries on every boot.. |
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| 17:35.38 | franklin_ | zimm2, that's good to know. |
| 17:35.40 | bliss1_ | Franklin- yes it should 4.3 or the nearest which is 5 |
| 17:36.05 | gnychis | maxb: whats the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom ? |
| 17:36.10 | franklin_ | zimm2, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:36.16 | zimm2 | :) |
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| 17:36.49 | Neverther | gnychis, /dev/urandom is nicer :D |
| 17:36.56 | gnychis | Neverther: why? :P |
| 17:36.59 | gnychis | heh |
| 17:37.43 | bliss1_ | franklin_ i have a ATI readon 9000 chipset and viedo is vga so vga has been accepted but 24 is to high I think |
| 17:37.46 | Neverther | gnychis, try cat /dev/random when you are doing nothing |
| 17:38.00 | Neverther | then try to move mouse and see what happen on the output |
| 17:38.22 | Neverther | gnychis, then try cat /dev/urandom and you see you can't affect the result :p |
| 17:38.28 | maxb | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.06 | gnychis | i see... i need as random as possible and don't mind blocking, so maybe i'll use random |
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| 17:41.39 | bliss1_ | franklin_ what i really like to do is remove the x-window-system-core and reinstall including the config file but apt-get remove does not remove the config file |
| 17:41.41 | franklin_ | bliss1_, read this, it should be helpful http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 17:42.17 | franklin_ | bliss1_, try apt-get remove x-window-system-core --purge |
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| 17:42.22 | vin` | bliss1_: what card is it? |
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| 17:42.48 | gravity | bliss1_: Are you running the experimental debian packages? |
| 17:42.58 | vin` | bliss1_: you don't have to purge it, run dexconf to get a clean XF86Config-4 |
| 17:43.08 | gravity | Oh, never mind |
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| 17:43.26 | vin` | gravity: XGL XGL!! |
| 17:43.32 | bliss1_ | franklin_ franklin_ thanks that purge coomand might help |
| 17:43.35 | franklin_ | bliss1_, is running sarge. |
| 17:43.43 | gravity | vin`: Exactly what I was doing actually |
| 17:43.47 | bliss1_ | vin` just a sec |
| 17:43.56 | vin` | gravity: god speed. ;) |
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| 17:44.35 | franklin_ | bliss1_, is running sarge... no dexconf. ha has an ATI readon 9000 |
| 17:44.40 | franklin_ | bliss1_, is running sarge... no dexconf. HE has an ATI readon 9000 |
| 17:44.48 | vin` | !xmd5 |
| 17:44.48 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 17:45.04 | hburchey | Where does debian put all the pkgconfig stuff? |
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| 17:45.19 | vin` | hburchey: in /etc/ |
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| 17:46.33 | dragan | i have compiled nvidia drivers on my toshiba satellite pro 2100 and i have about 1,5 cm of the screen missing. Another thing is that i can not change the resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768. Any ideas?? |
| 17:46.43 | baua | how can i build a initial ramdisk with debian? |
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| 17:47.03 | Neverther | baua, mkinitrd |
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| 17:48.14 | J_P | hi all... |
| 17:48.16 | franklin_ | baua, (or mkinitramfs, depending on what ram-fs you use) |
| 17:48.23 | hburchey | vin`, Have you got any idea why "find /etc -regex '.*\.pc.*'" is giving me nothing? I just installed the glibmm some other stuff which I think uses pkg-config... |
| 17:48.47 | J_P | people, are there some software as babylon for Linux ? |
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| 17:49.25 | bliss1_ | vin` viedo chipset is ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 Interface type Video - 15 pin High-Density D-shell (VGA) aspect ratio 4:3 (Standard) displat type resolution 1024 x 768 (XGA) |
| 17:50.07 | bliss1_ | vin' display 1024 x 768 (XGA) |
| 17:51.09 | bliss1_ | vin' there does not seem to be a option for ATI so i will choose vga on reinstall as for depth well do not know |
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| 17:51.36 | bliss1_ | franklin_ thanks for making it clear to me and others |
| 17:51.54 | franklin_ | bliss1_, radeo "might" work for ati 9000 (i have an old 7500 ;) |
| 17:52.02 | franklin_ | bliss1_, radeon "might" work for ati 9000 (i have an old 7500 ;) |
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| 17:53.23 | bliss1_ | franklin_ I am not sure if radeon or ati are a chice i think I must choose vga from the list available |
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| 17:53.41 | bliss1_ | franklin- choice |
| 17:54.15 | franklin_ | bliss1_, let me google that.. |
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| 17:57.26 | franklin_ | bliss1_, it seems you're right 4.2 doesn't support radeon 9000... so your're stucked with: 1=vga 2=framebuffer 3=flvio's driver[above] |
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| 17:58.21 | bliss1_ | franklin_ look here http://geek.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=6168970 |
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| 17:58.59 | bliss1_ | franklin_ when I said 4.2 i was not sure only a guess |
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| 18:00.39 | bliss1_ | franklin_ i have addes 512 to make it 768mb so its better for the future |
| 18:00.52 | franklin_ | bliss1_, i'll probably keep my 2 year old laptop for 12 more month ;( |
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| 18:01.10 | bliss1_ | franklin_ at least |
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| 18:01.21 | Erpo | How do I snoop on connections between x clients and my x server? If the x client were running remotely I'd just use ethereal, but I want to do this for local clients. |
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| 18:02.05 | gravity | Erpo: xscope I think... I forget the name |
| 18:02.06 | tavancini | is there a way to stich from debian testing to unstable? |
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| 18:02.18 | tavancini | *switch |
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| 18:02.30 | dragan | i have compiled nvidia drivers on my toshiba satellite pro 2100 and i have about 1,5 cm of the screen missing. Another thing is that i can not change the resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768. Any ideas?? |
| 18:02.41 | bliss1_ | franklin_ 2=framebuffer 3-flvio's driver (above) you said this before what do you mean |
| 18:03.00 | blafd | dragan, there is a way to fix that |
| 18:03.08 | blafd | its heavly documented under linux |
| 18:03.13 | blafd | i had it under windows |
| 18:03.20 | gravity | Erpo: Hrm, I don't think xscope is in debian |
| 18:03.24 | gravity | I should take care of that |
| 18:03.24 | slinn__ | tavancini: edit your sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:03.28 | blafd | and only managed to get it fixed by find a custom .inf file generator |
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| 18:03.29 | dragan | are you sure? |
| 18:03.35 | bob_boy | */msg dpkg guidelines |
| 18:03.39 | dragan | is that a bug? |
| 18:03.48 | Erpo | xscope doesn't show up under apt-cache search xscope, but it looks like what I need. |
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| 18:04.02 | tavancini | slinn__: i only change the testing to unstable, right? |
| 18:04.05 | blafd | it is a oddity from what i rember the glove fitted most except our toshibas |
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| 18:04.12 | slinn__ | tavancini: yes |
| 18:04.20 | MoutaPT | [FATAL] mysql php Libraries not installed, i'm using debian can any one helpme? |
| 18:04.31 | MoutaPT | i've already installed php4-mysql |
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| 18:04.54 | PatoFeoII | MoutaPT, it's a support for apache |
| 18:04.55 | tavancini | slinn__: i know that unstable IS unstable... but is it a litte stable for a development server usage? |
| 18:05.08 | dragan | blafd: damn it, i am stuck with nv |
| 18:05.08 | PatoFeoII | MoutaPT, it'snt a services :) |
| 18:05.11 | Smerdyakov | It seems to /bin/cp -al uses enough memory that it is not possible to use it to copy all of /home on a popular multi-user machine to a backup location. Does this sound true? |
| 18:05.31 | tavancini | slinn__: i need some last version software... that is why i need to switch... |
| 18:05.31 | franklin_ | bliss1_, vga= is legacy compatible, but limited in resolution. framebuffer=is a new standard, but not accelerated. flavio has made a .deb package with ati accelerated driver. |
| 18:05.41 | MoutaPT | PatoFeoII so you it's an appache package? |
| 18:05.56 | franklin_ | bliss1_, SARGE = xserver-xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1) => http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/radeon.4.html great !!! |
| 18:06.01 | slinn__ | tavancini: i've been using unstable on one of my machine for around 4 years... it has yet to break |
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| 18:06.48 | PatoFeoII | MoutaPT, try de-comments this lines in you httpd.conf |
| 18:06.48 | tavancini | slinn__: you mean that it is a little stable, right? :) |
| 18:06.51 | franklin_ | bliss1_, try "dpkg -l xserver-xfree86" to make sure you have 4.3.x |
| 18:07.00 | bliss1_ | franklin- ok wget should get it and install |
| 18:07.01 | slinn__ | tavancini: it has stability, yes |
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| 18:07.08 | blafd | hey when i boot using framebuffer and tell X to use fbdev, i loose half my premitable resolutions |
| 18:07.13 | tavancini | slinn__: thanks! |
| 18:07.14 | bliss1_ | franklin_ ok |
| 18:07.16 | slinn__ | tavancini: but if it needs to be stable, use stable |
| 18:07.25 | slinn__ | tavancini: and just upgrade the packages you need |
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| 18:08.13 | blafd | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37587 |
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| 18:08.18 | blafd | dragan ^^ |
| 18:08.24 | MoutaPT | PateoFeoII: which lines? |
| 18:08.27 | MoutaPT | thanks! |
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| 18:08.41 | bliss1_ | franklin_or apt-get maybe better |
| 18:08.46 | MoutaPT | I found it! |
| 18:08.47 | MoutaPT | :) |
| 18:08.49 | MoutaPT | php4 |
| 18:08.51 | MoutaPT | thnks |
| 18:08.51 | tavancini | slinn__: for example, how can i upgrade a certain package from a testing version to an unstable package? for example, i have svn 1.2.3, and i need the 1.3.1 from unstable... |
| 18:09.28 | gravity | !tell tavancini about pinning |
| 18:09.37 | gravity | argh, thats factoid is useless |
| 18:09.47 | franklin_ | bliss1_, it's to check which XFree86 you have. |
| 18:09.55 | st0ner | has something changed in opengl/glx libs @ sid recently ?? |
| 18:10.05 | gravity | tavancini: You have to use pinning to do it. You basically put unstable in your sources.list, then pin yourself to testing, then explicitly grab the version from unstable |
| 18:10.08 | gravity | st0ner: Yes |
| 18:10.13 | gravity | st0ner: As of when though? |
| 18:10.30 | gravity | 6.4.1 went in a few months ago |
| 18:10.32 | tavancini | ohhh, i will search about it |
| 18:10.56 | st0ner | first my opengl accelleration was broken, and now the nvidia module doesnt work |
| 18:11.09 | MoutaPT | PateoFeoII do i need to recompile apache? |
| 18:11.15 | gravity | ugh, that's not an opengl issue. That's X. |
| 18:11.35 | st0ner | okay has something changed in x too? |
| 18:12.26 | bliss1_ | franklin_ ok I will give it another try but still not clear about this depth issue there is a range from 4 to 24 |
| 18:12.38 | hburchey | Is there an easy way to install static versions of glibmm and all it's dependencies? |
| 18:12.56 | blafd | hmm that sucks... well i hope nvidias main branch driver under XP never has that problem with the thin black line again, because i can not for the life of me find the driver generator i used to get arround that |
| 18:12.57 | franklin_ | bliss1_, color depth should be 16 or 32. |
| 18:13.20 | franklin_ | bliss1_, color depth 4 => 2^4 => 16 colors |
| 18:13.30 | gravity | st0ner: Xorg 6.9 went in months ago |
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| 18:13.40 | gravity | st0ner: When did things break for you? |
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| 18:13.46 | gravity | st0ner: And what did you change? |
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| 18:13.57 | st0ner | new kernel |
| 18:14.09 | st0ner | i compiled 2.6.16.2 |
| 18:14.15 | karl_ | I need hel to setup libnss-ldap It cannot access shadow |
| 18:14.15 | gravity | Ah, that's your problem |
| 18:14.30 | gravity | Welcome to the world of proprietary binary drivers |
| 18:14.31 | bliss1_ | franklin_ I will look tosee the settings in my linux box I have now in this partition |
| 18:14.39 | st0ner | gravity: ;) |
| 18:14.47 | franklin_ | bliss1_, 16=> 2^16 => 65536 colors That's fairly good. |
| 18:14.47 | gravity | Yeah. Not Xorg. Not OpenGL. |
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| 18:14.53 | st0ner | but the gl probs occured also before |
| 18:15.10 | dragan | blafd: some people claim that various options in the XF86Config might work? |
| 18:15.10 | gravity | I probably know what caused at least one of the ones in the past, the move to xorg 6.9 |
| 18:15.19 | gravity | But nvidia fixed that |
| 18:15.34 | st0ner | yeah it used to work ;) |
| 18:15.57 | franklin_ | bliss1_, ok. i (and other) will still be around. |
| 18:16.06 | st0ner | but now the interrupt communication betw. nvidia module and /dev/nvidio doesnt't work according to x |
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| 18:16.16 | bliss1_ | franklin_ ok i give a go |
| 18:16.29 | st0ner | */dev/nvidia0 |
| 18:16.39 | bliss1_ | franklin_ thanks for support |
| 18:16.46 | gravity | st0ner: I told you. Your new kernel broke the binary nvidia module. It's pretty simple. Go talk to #nvidia |
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| 18:17.25 | st0ner | gravity: just the change between 2.6.16.1 to 2.6.16.1 ??? i doubt that |
| 18:17.33 | st0ner | *2.6.16.2 |
| 18:18.13 | gravity | st0ner: Got me |
| 18:18.19 | gravity | That's all that changed |
| 18:18.29 | gravity | X didn't change substantially. Nor did mesa. |
| 18:18.30 | st0ner | k ill talk to that nvid suckers ;) |
| 18:19.08 | MoutaPT | [FATAL] mysql php Libraries not installed, i'm using debian can any one helpme? |
| 18:19.10 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: Yeah, but what do you know? :P |
| 18:19.39 | gravity | heh |
| 18:19.40 | r_marvin | MoutaPT: apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 18:19.42 | r_marvin | afair |
| 18:19.43 | scarynetworkguy | Hehe. |
| 18:19.47 | gravity | Well, tbh, I knw very little about nvidia |
| 18:19.49 | scarynetworkguy | How you been, man? |
| 18:19.55 | gravity | I don't have any of their hardware so I don't much care |
| 18:20.05 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: As well you should. Blobs are icky. :) |
| 18:20.14 | gravity | Yep :-) |
| 18:20.21 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 18:20.29 | st0ner | i wish i could say that too gravity, but better than ati :) |
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| 18:20.54 | gravity | They're equally shit |
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| 18:21.10 | MoutaPT | r_marvin : i've done that already |
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| 18:26.53 | Hagfish | if a package has installed /etc/cron.d/foo, what runs that script? |
| 18:26.58 | aarkerio | somebody have playing lxdoom? |
| 18:27.50 | asg | Hagfish: read cron(8) |
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| 18:28.01 | Hagfish | asg: ... all right |
| 18:28.15 | tobiask | samu2: "blablubb" + str(myint) |
| 18:28.16 | franklin_ | Hadaka, 'cron' (or indirectly some package like anacron if you have a laptop) |
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| 18:30.01 | Hagfish | wow, cron is doing all that? it must be very busy |
| 18:30.03 | Hagfish | thanks |
| 18:30.36 | Hagfish | and as a debian package used the cron.d directory, i feel comfortable about using it |
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| 18:32.48 | Zap-W | hi |
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| 18:38.10 | silber | can i install gnome 2.14 on debian sarge? |
| 18:40.41 | levi | I'm new to linux, when i installed debian and went through the steps and downloaded the various packages then i rebooted it and after it would boot the screen would go black twice and i would get an error message saying that no screens could be found, how could i fix this? |
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| 18:40.53 | asg | levi: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 18:41.11 | CrarsFlow | rave |
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| 18:41.48 | levi | thanks asg |
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| 18:42.11 | CrarsFlow | need help installing linux via net |
| 18:42.30 | vin` | CrarsFlow: be less vague. |
| 18:42.49 | franklin_ | silber, are you new to debian ? |
| 18:42.56 | CrarsFlow | i traying but have problem doing |
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| 18:43.16 | asg | CrarsFlow: Don't tell us that you are having a problem, tell us what the problem is |
| 18:43.21 | asg | CrarsFlow: /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 18:43.46 | asg | threat: turn that off |
| 18:44.06 | threat | asg, I manually did that |
| 18:44.19 | asg | erm why? |
| 18:44.23 | threat | bored |
| 18:44.42 | silber | franklin_ yes |
| 18:44.45 | vin` | !threaten threat |
| 18:44.50 | threat | can you suggest any thing product I could do with my time? |
| 18:44.58 | silber | how to install new gnome? :( |
| 18:44.58 | threat | procutive even |
| 18:45.07 | threat | silber, apt-get install gnome |
| 18:45.13 | asg | threat: install OpenBSD |
| 18:45.18 | vin` | threat: rill a new kernel |
| 18:45.23 | vin` | roll* |
| 18:45.31 | threat | vin`, done |
| 18:45.33 | silber | threat yes but apt installs gnome 2.8 |
| 18:45.35 | Methuselah | I'm trying to get Domino running on Debian, but it looks as though it's not going to work unless I _specifically_ have libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 installed (I have libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 but that doesn't work). I can't for the life of me work out where to find the deb file for this. Anyone have a copy lying around? |
| 18:45.41 | threat | silber, and? |
| 18:45.47 | asg | Methuselah: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 18:45.54 | silber | i want gnome 2.14 |
| 18:46.16 | asg | silber: it isn't available for sarge or even unstable yet. You'll have to wait or compile from source. |
| 18:46.18 | threat | silber, edit your /etc/apt/source.list, add in a testing source, then edit / create a /etc/apt/preference files |
| 18:46.30 | threat | silber, or just wait :) |
| 18:46.42 | threat | silber, or you could create your own gnome 2.14 package |
| 18:47.03 | silber | i will compile myself |
| 18:47.04 | silber | :) |
| 18:48.08 | threat | haha |
| 18:52.02 | dragan | i got an interesting line in my XFree86.0.log: (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (width 1024 is larger than EDID-specified maximum 969). EDID lies? |
| 18:52.13 | franklin_ | sieber, the debian disribution aims to be quite stable. the main "branch" isn't update very often (like most OS opn the market, actually). if you want to run the latest gnome, you need to use the develloppement version of gnome. Actually, if you search debian : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=gnome-common ...you notice that 2.6.14 isn't even candidate [but i guess it should |
| 18:52.13 | franklin_ | be in it, since 2.12 has been in in testing for a while]. Note: running developpement version of debian isn't considered "safe" (for security, not just for stability) because security update are published for "stable" (=sarge) version only. |
| 18:53.28 | franklin_ | silber, so, as threat said, either be patient.. on contribute to help porting t ;) |
| 18:53.43 | franklin_ | silber, so, as threat said, either be patient.. on contribute to help porting IT ;) |
| 18:54.32 | asg | franklin_: it's working it's way into unstable. It won't ever be in sarge though. It will take some time to migrate to testing. |
| 18:56.02 | asg | franklin_: also, testing does get security updates now |
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| 18:58.08 | Methuselah | asg: thanks :) |
| 18:58.09 | franklin_ | asg, i do get testing security update, but as far as i understood, those updates were "best effort"... are thoses official now ? |
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| 18:58.42 | asg | franklin_: they are officialish :) |
| 18:58.44 | maxb | Could someone describe to me what the correct behaviour of 'dpkg --forget-old-unavail' is? Thanks. |
| 18:59.20 | asg | franklin_: I personally wouldn't stake my job on them but they are apparently quite comprehensive |
| 19:00.44 | eleftherios | Sun sucks |
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| 19:01.11 | eleftherios | they are the corporate equivalent of a psychopath, one with multiple personalities |
| 19:01.35 | eleftherios | one who speaks a bloated language (Java) |
| 19:01.57 | zerve_the_death | and RMI |
| 19:02.42 | franklin_ | asg, do you use the source from http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing ? |
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| 19:09.08 | trash | hiho, how do I build a initrd for a linux-2.6.16 kernel? the installed mkinitrd script is using devfs and the booting fails because of that. |
| 19:10.32 | franklin_ | bye |
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| 19:13.34 | blondie | why doesn't the debian version of Firefox have the proper logo? |
| 19:15.07 | erhanr | trash: try man mkinitrd or http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
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| 19:17.06 | trash | erhanr: seems okay, I'll try it. thanks. |
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| 19:17.54 | rafal | helo everybody. Greetings from Poland |
| 19:18.12 | ottmar | viva Polonia la tierra de Juan Pablo II |
| 19:18.30 | rafal | viva italia |
| 19:18.35 | ottmar | viva |
| 19:18.39 | ottmar | nice women |
| 19:18.48 | rafal | yes, i know |
| 19:19.01 | a000a__ | nobody know what's the method for make a broadcast in C ? |
| 19:19.14 | rafal | polish womans are so beautifoul |
| 19:19.23 | ottmar | I need one ! |
| 19:19.28 | ottmar | Im steal single ! |
| 19:19.38 | ottmar | still .... |
| 19:19.39 | trash | erhanr: hmm, backports.org (where the "new" initrd-tools and procps should be) just seems to have sarge support and not woody |
| 19:19.50 | sval | ottmar, rafal , i tought i was on a linux channel :D |
| 19:20.03 | ottmar | yeah ! God save Debian ! |
| 19:20.04 | rafal | hihi |
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| 19:20.08 | rafal | i am a married |
| 19:20.35 | Tarantulafudg1 | Why isn't LC_ALL set? perl is having heartattacks here |
| 19:21.07 | ottmar | I'm running Debian unstable on Vaio ... and its so wonderfull that this machine does all the things one expects it will do |
| 19:21.37 | Tarantulafudg1 | ottmar: your using debian as a desktop? god man why?? |
| 19:21.44 | ottmar | yeah ! |
| 19:22.06 | rafal | i have got Ubuntu |
| 19:22.21 | erhanr | trash: sorry im not using woody . well you can search them .must be them in woody too |
| 19:22.34 | Tarantulafudg1 | how do I fix the LC_ALL problem |
| 19:22.36 | ottmar | since November 1999 !! |
| 19:22.41 | rafal | Ubuntu is okkkkkk |
| 19:23.00 | ottmar | I started with suse ... then redhat .... and then finally I saw the Light !!! |
| 19:23.04 | sval | Tarantulafudg1, what's the problem with this variable ? |
| 19:23.28 | Tarantulafudg1 | sval: its not set! I've run dpkg-reconfigure locales and it still isn't set |
| 19:23.45 | Tarantulafudg1 | perl is having heartattacks |
| 19:23.51 | rafal | i starter red hat, next, mandrake, next suse aurox and...finally Ubuntu. I Think ubuntu is cool |
| 19:24.02 | sval | Tarantulafudg1, LC_ALL don't need to be set of other LC_* variables are defined |
| 19:24.09 | ottmar | Ubuntu is for the final user not a System Engineer ! |
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| 19:24.28 | sval | Tarantulafudg1, howevern if you want to ... export LC_ALL = ... |
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| 19:26.48 | Tarantulafudg1 | how do I deal with conflicting dependencies? |
| 19:27.07 | Tarantulafudg1 | I need to install sendmail, but theres a big message about exim4 |
| 19:27.16 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: just install sendmail, exim will be removed |
| 19:27.24 | laurens_ | Tarantulafudg1: that's because they're both mta's |
| 19:27.28 | laurens_ | just install sendmail |
| 19:27.33 | laurens_ | apt is smarter than you when it comes to depends |
| 19:27.35 | Tarantulafudg1 | so just force it? |
| 19:27.45 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: no, it should remove it automatically |
| 19:28.06 | Tarantulafudg1 | what about the rest of exim4, it says its just removing one piece |
| 19:28.15 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: you can remove the rest if you wish |
| 19:28.19 | \amethyst | you can remove that by hand |
| 19:28.26 | laurens_ | to quote myself again |
| 19:28.31 | laurens_ | apt is smarter than you |
| 19:28.37 | laurens_ | it will remove what is necessary |
| 19:28.39 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: any way to make this automatic |
| 19:28.41 | ottmar | yeah thats apt |
| 19:28.43 | laurens_ | you can remove th rest yourself if you want to |
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| 19:28.50 | \amethyst | aptitude install sendmail exim4- exim4-base- exim4-config- |
| 19:28.52 | Tarantulafudg1 | whats the point of keeping it, really |
| 19:28.53 | zerve_the_death | apt-get remove at |
| 19:29.01 | zerve_the_death | and the emax4 |
| 19:29.09 | zerve_the_death | then* |
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| 19:29.14 | asg | zerve_the_death: why whould he want to do that |
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| 19:29.33 | Tarantulafudg1 | can't apt just remove unused deps? |
| 19:29.34 | zerve_the_death | :) |
| 19:29.35 | XoR | how i can change I/O scheduler from Anticipatory to cfq, without recompile kernel ??? |
| 19:29.36 | laurens_ | at depends on mail-transport-agent, surely, but if it needs to go apt will do it for you |
| 19:29.43 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: deborphan can help you remove packages not referenced by other packages. |
| 19:29.54 | laurens_ | Tarantulafudg1: apt stops things from breaking. if you want to remove unnecessary stuff, use orphaner |
| 19:29.55 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: reliably? |
| 19:30.03 | laurens_ | or deborphan (thats the package name anyway) |
| 19:30.09 | laurens_ | Tarantulafudg1: why wouldnt it be reliable |
| 19:30.09 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: yes, it's pretty reliable. |
| 19:30.16 | \amethyst | Tarantulafudg1: If you use aptitude to install a package, it can keep track of things pulled in only to satisfy dependencies |
| 19:30.23 | laurens_ | it basically checks the dependency tree for useless stumps :P |
| 19:30.24 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: well, last time I did deborphan it didn't even pick up the unused deps |
| 19:30.28 | \amethyst | Tarantulafudg1: and aptitude has imho better conflict handling |
| 19:30.31 | Tarantulafudg1 | I've had a realyl horrible experience using apt |
| 19:30.35 | laurens_ | Tarantulafudg1: deporhan -a |
| 19:30.56 | Tarantulafudg1 | I'm partial to portage, you see, |
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| 19:31.12 | kingmike | Hi. someone here using an xbox controller on a linux pc ? |
| 19:31.18 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: then why not stick with what you are comfortable with? |
| 19:31.21 | cahoot | XoR: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3279 |
| 19:31.34 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: because gentoo isn't quick to deploy as a server |
| 19:31.40 | XoR | cahoot: tnx! |
| 19:32.09 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: you can pre-compile to packages and just install them the same way as you would on a BSD *shrug* |
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| 19:32.42 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: yea but that'd still take to long for server deployment |
| 19:33.05 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: then build a base image or set of base images and then only compile the extra bits you need for each server. |
| 19:33.33 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: using gentoo is NOT an option. |
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| 19:34.11 | Tarantulafudg1 | its just that apt scares me |
| 19:34.24 | \amethyst | :) |
| 19:34.38 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: it shouldn't, apt is generally foolproof. If you are uncomfortable, use aptitude |
| 19:34.43 | ottmar | Debian needs lot of RTFM ...! |
| 19:34.53 | \amethyst | Use aptitude anyway :) |
| 19:34.58 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: heh, thats what you think |
| 19:34.58 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: if you are using testing or unstable, however, there is likely to be breakage. |
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| 19:35.13 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: are you kidding? stable is really ancient |
| 19:35.17 | asg | \amethyst: nah, it installs way too much stuff. |
| 19:35.38 | \amethyst | asg: only if you have `auto-install suggest:s' on |
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| 19:35.54 | Tarantulafudg1 | nessus has a heartattack over the versions I used when I first deployed a 'stable' system |
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| 19:36.00 | asg | \amethyst: I would never want that. |
| 19:36.00 | ottmar | RadioHead !!! |
| 19:36.06 | Tarantulafudg1 | Its 'stable' if you want to be hacked |
| 19:36.09 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: that's because nessus is stupid |
| 19:36.10 | ottmar | I just have heard that song !!!! |
| 19:36.12 | \amethyst | err, s/suggests/recommends/ |
| 19:36.33 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: it says the same thing about OpenBSD's apparently ancient version of apache |
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| 19:37.08 | Tarantulafudg1 | heh |
| 19:37.10 | gnufan | Tarantulafudg1: what on earth did you install to give nessus a heart attack? |
| 19:37.11 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: Unlike most systems, Debian backports security fixes to stable packages instead of just jobbing a new version on people and potentially breaking things with new functionality. |
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| 19:37.37 | Tarantulafudg1 | gnufan: the main things that gave nessus a hearttack were postfix and proftpd |
| 19:38.08 | comrade | I got a question, my wireless is working, but it keeps dropping the internet, I can still connect to my router, I assume it's something with dhclient. anyone have suggestions? |
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| 19:38.16 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: that's because it checked for the 'version' only, not for the vulnerability |
| 19:38.17 | \amethyst | I hear that wuftpd gives it a stroke, too |
| 19:38.42 | \amethyst | Tarantulafudg1: to find out if you're really vulnerable, find a copy of the exploit and use it on yourself |
| 19:39.10 | gnufan | Tarantulafudg1: I didn't think postfix has ever had any security flaw worth having a heart attack over... it had a denial of service or two, but trust me if the bad guys want to DoS your SMTP service they will whatever sofware you run. Indeed the bad guys do that to our SMTP service every now and then just by trying to send too much spam. |
| 19:40.32 | asg | gnufan: he ran a security scanner and automatically accepted the results without doing any research |
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| 19:41.16 | asg | gnufan: so because of that, he's installing testing and unstable and other crap and making himself even more vulnerable |
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| 19:41.29 | Tarantulafudg1 | no just testing, testing is stable |
| 19:41.36 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: no, testing is not stable |
| 19:41.44 | Ronin | no sarge is stable, |
| 19:41.46 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: by debian definition, it IS stable |
| 19:41.49 | roby | Is there a fs type that has full read/write support under Linux and Windows capable of a 200 GB partition? |
| 19:41.56 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: Debian sarge is by definition stable |
| 19:42.20 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: while testing may at times be stable, it isn't guaranteed or supported. Lurk here for a few days and listen to all the people whining about 'testing' |
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| 19:42.36 | gnufan | asg: I understand, but the gratis nessus rules look at my Debian boxes, and the Redhat 9 boxes they are replacing, and the results imply that I should have stuck Debian stable in sooner ;) |
| 19:42.48 | asg | gnufan: of course ;) |
| 19:43.06 | roby | rephrased: Is there a fs type that has full read/write support under Linux 2.6 and Windows XP? The partition must be 200 GB and it should be immediately supported with a default Debian install and Windows XP install? |
| 19:43.37 | asg | roby: vfat32 should be able to fit that bill provided you don't need permissions, quotas, etc. |
| 19:44.07 | roby | asg: yeah no problem, the linux and win can have full read/write to any part of the partition |
| 19:44.10 | gnufan | asg: I think the only thing they worry about is some obscure XSS thing that might be possible with some obscure Apache feature if someone wants to pay us to host malicious content. Which I don't see as a serious issue, "someone might host something nasty" is kind of a given for an ISP. |
| 19:44.32 | roby | asg: thanks |
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| 19:45.17 | asg | gnufan: Security scanners *are* helpful but the interpretation needs is most important. I've even seen professional pen-test organizations claim vulnerabilities when non-existed due to bugs or assumptions in their tools. |
| 19:45.26 | asg | s/needs is/is/ |
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| 19:50.28 | Tarantulafudg1 | one other thing |
| 19:50.33 | Tarantulafudg1 | why is crap named so stangely |
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| 19:50.50 | Tarantulafudg1 | I sware its sooo difficult to find one obscure package |
| 19:50.50 | valdyn | Tarantulafudg1: which crap? |
| 19:51.07 | valdyn | Tarantulafudg1: that is what search functions are provided for |
| 19:51.07 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: apt-cache search <keywords> |
| 19:51.11 | Tarantulafudg1 | like imagik for php |
| 19:51.36 | valdyn | Tarantulafudg1: 'apt-cache search imagik php' |
| 19:51.47 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: what is imagik? |
| 19:51.57 | valdyn | asg: his invention? |
| 19:52.13 | Tarantulafudg1 | imagick / |
| 19:52.20 | Tarantulafudg1 | I can't remember it perfectly |
| 19:52.32 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: apt-cache search imagick |
| 19:52.32 | Tarantulafudg1 | its an image editing engine |
| 19:52.39 | macuserondope | imagemagick :-) |
| 19:52.40 | asg | !info php4-imagick |
| 19:52.47 | dpkg | php4-imagick: (ImageMagick module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 4:0.9.11+1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 496 kB |
| 19:52.48 | valdyn | Tarantulafudg1: imagick is correct |
| 19:53.19 | XoR | how i can see, whitch I/O sheduler i use ? |
| 19:53.26 | valdyn | XoR: dmesg |
| 19:53.37 | vin` | Tarantulafudg1: try aptitude |
| 19:53.43 | XoR | not in uptime :( |
| 19:54.02 | XoR | not in dmesg, very big uptime :) |
| 19:54.11 | valdyn | XoR: and which kernel is it? |
| 19:54.20 | XoR | 2.6.15.6 |
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| 19:54.44 | valdyn | XoR: look at its boot options and its configuration |
| 19:55.17 | valdyn | XoR: CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="cfq" for example |
| 19:55.48 | MoDaX | XoR: somewhere in /sys |
| 19:55.54 | XoR | /boot/config-2.6.15.6 ? |
| 19:56.00 | valdyn | XoR: yes |
| 19:56.14 | asg | XoR: /sys/block/{s,h}d{a..z}/queue/scheduler |
| 19:56.47 | maxb | Argh! dpkg --forget-old-unavail is broken and has been for 2 and a half years !? |
| 19:57.35 | vin` | XoR: noop [anticipatory] deadline cfq :P |
| 19:57.56 | XoR | xor:/sys/block/sda/queue# cat ./scheduler |
| 19:57.56 | XoR | noop [anticipatory] deadline cfq |
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| 19:58.05 | asg | XoR: then you are using the anticipatory scheduler |
| 19:58.10 | minerale | how different is ubuntu from debian? is it just a superset of tools? |
| 19:58.12 | vin` | XoR: party! |
| 19:58.30 | asg | minerale: no, ubuntu is Debian's unstable distribution from 6 months ago + some patches and security updates. |
| 19:58.40 | vin` | minerale: how would it be a superset in the wildest sense? |
| 19:58.47 | valdyn | minerale: different package repositories, the 'tools' are the same mostly |
| 19:59.00 | XoR | maybe cfq is better than anticipatory ??? |
| 19:59.09 | XoR | i would like cfq |
| 19:59.11 | valdyn | XoR: or maybe not |
| 19:59.12 | asg | XoR: read the kernel notes; each has their uses |
| 19:59.31 | valdyn | XoR: cfq is not meant for maximum thruput, for example |
| 19:59.48 | minerale | vin`: If I take debian and add some widgets to it... I would thank you could call that a superset... but I have no idea really... |
| 19:59.54 | XoR | my raid5 /dev/md0 sometime works very slow - is it from sheduler ??? |
| 20:00.31 | valdyn | XoR: how are we supposed to know? in any case, any scheduler in linux mainline is decent for many things |
| 20:00.34 | vin` | minerale: it's just based on, like the other 1000s. |
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| 20:01.34 | vin` | !badgerknoppix |
| 20:01.34 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 20:01.35 | XoR | but redhat by default use CFQ, why debian use AS ? |
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| 20:01.52 | valdyn | XoR: cfq is built for distributing IO fairly between processes, that is _NOT_ going to speed up the overall I/O |
| 20:01.53 | asg | XoR: difference in philosophy |
| 20:02.15 | XoR | :) |
| 20:02.53 | valdyn | XoR: i think redhat will optimise for the user that has no understand of things at all, and cfq can easily 'feel' fast |
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| 20:03.14 | minerale | XoR: It's similar to the baptist church vs church of christ, the latter does not believe in music when singing, the former thinks it will connect them to god faster |
| 20:04.12 | cyberwolf | hello, i need help installing kde on debian sarge |
| 20:04.24 | valdyn | !install kde |
| 20:04.24 | dpkg | methinks install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 20:05.18 | cyberwolf | hmm |
| 20:05.36 | cyberwolf | allready installed |
| 20:05.53 | magyar | what is the most current 2.6 kernel-image for sarge? |
| 20:06.26 | cyberwolf | 2.6.8-2 i guess |
| 20:07.09 | magyar | cyberwolf: what about 2.6.8-3? |
| 20:07.17 | evaded | When i change the host name of an computer. How do i do to take it effect? I have do and /etc/init.d/network restart also an gdm but i get always user@oldhostname |
| 20:07.19 | magyar | i have it on my apt list |
| 20:07.52 | magyar | how close is etch to become stable? |
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| 20:08.10 | cyberwolf | oh, ok |
| 20:08.26 | valdyn | evaded: the hostname is in /etc/hostname, that has nothing to do with the DNS domain name you are probably messing with ( though it does make sense if they agree ) |
| 20:08.30 | vin` | magyar: still a few months away one would think. |
| 20:08.31 | MoDaX | magyar: 2006 dec at best |
| 20:08.43 | cyberwolf | here is my problem: http://pastebin.com/648368 |
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| 20:09.01 | evaded | I know when i reboot that computer that i get user@newcomputer in a console. |
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| 20:09.30 | bliss1_ | franklin_ hello |
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| 20:09.34 | valdyn | cyberwolf: your problem if you dont use debian/stable. Things break, that is expected. |
| 20:10.02 | cyberwolf | ok |
| 20:10.27 | cyberwolf | so any suggestions ? |
| 20:10.40 | evaded | valdyn: I not understand :-/ |
| 20:10.52 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 20:10.52 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 20:11.08 | FliesLikeABrick | I know that to reconfigure xorg I would do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but how would I reconfigure a desktop using XFree86 ? |
| 20:11.20 | FliesLikeABrick | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does nothing |
| 20:11.27 | valdyn | evaded: you dont need to restart networking for any of this |
| 20:11.45 | evaded | valdyn: Can i not take that new hostname without reboot? |
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| 20:11.55 | valdyn | evaded: dpkg explained it to you |
| 20:12.28 | evaded | valdyn: So i need to reboot :-( |
| 20:12.35 | r_marvin | evaded: no |
| 20:12.35 | valdyn | evaded: no you do not |
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| 20:12.43 | evaded | ok :-) |
| 20:12.47 | r_marvin | evaded: use the hostname command |
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| 20:13.01 | r_marvin | you will have to relogin to set the prompt straight |
| 20:13.14 | unstable | !tell FliesLikeABrick about drxx |
| 20:13.39 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah unstable thanks for actually reading what I said |
| 20:13.45 | FliesLikeABrick | </sarcasm> |
| 20:13.51 | evaded | r_marvin, valdyn : Done, It work now :-) |
| 20:13.58 | evaded | without reboot :-) |
| 20:14.09 | unstable | FliesLikeABrick: I did read what you said. And I answered it. "16:11 < FliesLikeABrick> I know that to reconfigure xorg I would do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but how would I reconfigure a desktop using XFree86 ?" |
| 20:14.09 | valdyn | FliesLikeABrick: unstable does not have XFree86, only Xorg |
| 20:14.19 | unstable | FliesLikeABrick: dpkg told you the answer |
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| 20:14.42 | unstable | FliesLikeABrick: If that command doesn't work, then you don't have xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:14.56 | FliesLikeABrick | unstable read what I said right after that: " |
| 20:14.56 | FliesLikeABrick | <FliesLikeABrick> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does nothing" |
| 20:15.04 | unstable | FliesLikeABrick: If you can't figure out how to do the most basic tasks on debian, you probably shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 20:15.46 | unstable | !tell FliesLikeABrick about unstable |
| 20:15.46 | valdyn | FliesLikeABrick: either you run unstable ( and that EXCLUDES having XFree86 ), or you do not. |
| 20:16.07 | FliesLikeABrick | if I have stable installed and upgrade to unstable, it changes from XF86 to xorg? |
| 20:16.17 | valdyn | FliesLikeABrick: yes |
| 20:16.24 | magyar | where can i find the the change log for stable 2.6.8-3? |
| 20:16.42 | FliesLikeABrick | alright, well this is the first time I've attempted to use unstable as a desktop, in the past I've just used it on servers |
| 20:16.47 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks for that tidbit |
| 20:16.52 | valdyn | hah |
| 20:17.09 | unstable | magyar: It's _always_ /usr/share/doc |
| 20:17.18 | unstable | magyar: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 20:17.44 | FliesLikeABrick | you two need to realize that people ask questions because they don't know things |
| 20:17.53 | FliesLikeABrick | if you don't want to give them the answer, at least don't be an asshole about it |
| 20:17.55 | magyar | unstable: before i install and also is this the stable version of the kernel? |
| 20:18.11 | FliesLikeABrick | but thanks nonetheless |
| 20:18.16 | unstable | FliesLikeABrick: You need to realize _unstable_ is for developers. |
| 20:18.36 | unstable | magyar: Yes it's the stable version. |
| 20:18.36 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 20:18.36 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:18.43 | FliesLikeABrick | unstable I merely asked a question, are you blaming me for not knowing that it would change my x server when upgrading? |
| 20:18.58 | unstable | FliesLikeABrick: yes |
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| 20:19.41 | FliesLikeABrick | well so be it, but I don't see how peopel learn things like that if they're not allowed to ask questions |
| 20:19.46 | FliesLikeABrick | people* |
| 20:19.54 | unstable | FliesLikeABrick: You read documentation before you take action. Not after. |
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| 20:20.36 | FliesLikeABrick | I almost always do, but I had no idea that changing to unstable would change the X server used |
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| 20:20.46 | FliesLikeABrick | if I had thought it might have done that, I would have read up on it or looked elsewhere |
| 20:21.12 | unstable | Well the sid faq is a good place to start, so you have an idea of what the state of your system is. |
| 20:21.21 | unstable | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 20:21.47 | unstable | FliesLikeABrick: Almost all the linux distributions are moving towards xorg as opposed to xfree86. |
| 20:22.48 | vin` | FliesLikeABrick: hmm, you used unstable on servers? |
| 20:23.03 | FliesLikeABrick | I used testing on servers |
| 20:23.26 | FliesLikeABrick | namely my two non-production boxen |
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| 20:24.01 | FliesLikeABrick | and I was trying testing on this desktop, not unstable |
| 20:24.13 | gravity | s/Almost// |
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| 20:24.24 | FliesLikeABrick | unstable just curious, why did you jump to the conclusion that I was running unstable? |
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| 20:24.53 | nix4me | doesnt matter, testing uses xorg too |
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| 20:25.18 | FliesLikeABrick | does coming in here to ask questions pertaining to testing justify as much flaming as unstable does? |
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| 20:25.30 | Thanatermesis | i have 2 lines in my fstab for the mount of /sys, one for "none" and one for "sys", is correct this 2 lines ? |
| 20:25.42 | vin` | FliesLikeABrick: flame? where? when? |
| 20:25.54 | zood_ | Is there a place that has the current status of the sarge --> etch upgrade? |
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| 20:26.26 | FliesLikeABrick | well vin` as soon as someone thought that I was using unstable, I became an asshole magnet apparently |
| 20:26.40 | FliesLikeABrick | I'm wondering if it would have done the same if they thought I was trying to use testing (which I am) |
| 20:26.56 | prp | hello, what's the problem with snort /etc/init.d script ? i get shell-init: error retrieving current directory:.... and other errors... any ideea ? |
| 20:27.54 | vin` | zood_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today for a start. |
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| 20:28.58 | FliesLikeABrick | well thank you for your help and insight unstable, I'll keep it in mind for the future |
| 20:29.24 | Stevie | what is mount point expiry? |
| 20:29.27 | valdyn | prp: that current directory error will be fixed once you cd to an existing directory |
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| 20:30.33 | vin` | FliesLikeABrick: how should this have been construed? "23:16:29 FliesLikeABri | alright, well this is the first time I've attempted to use unstable as a desktop, in the past I've just used it on servers" |
| 20:31.06 | vin` | but you're actually running testing? phew! |
| 20:31.12 | FliesLikeABrick | before that he assumed I was trying to use unstable |
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| 20:33.43 | FliesLikeABrick | vin` I'm really not looking for a debate about this |
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| 20:46.08 | strider- | !zoo |
| 20:46.08 | dpkg | [zoo] fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 20:46.15 | zimm2 | just a quick one .. just installed stesting with the 2.6.15foo kernel .. kde is saying it cant find/use /dev/dsp .. went to chmod777 it as in the bad old days (been away from linux for 3-4 years now .. not there .. ok so its alsa .. what do i do ? |
| 20:46.28 | Stevie | wtf? |
| 20:46.34 | Stevie | !factinfo zoo |
| 20:46.34 | dpkg | zoo -- created by kawfee <~unknown@cs679146-109.austin.rr.com> at Mon Apr 7 04:40:43 2003 (1097 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by sep at Mon Oct 24 03:02:31 2005. |
| 20:48.19 | magyar | i have a e1000 nic that i had problems loading untill i compiled a new module from intel. How can i find out if the built in module on 2.6.8-3 would work? |
| 20:48.32 | strider- | zimm2: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 20:49.48 | zimm2 | strider-, :) |
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| 20:51.27 | zimm2 | and off apt goes to get it all .. hope it works .. :) |
| 20:52.09 | Thanatermesis | i have 2 lines in my fstab for the mount of /sys, one for "none" and one for "sys", is correct this 2 lines ? |
| 20:54.30 | Stevie | one is unnecessary |
| 20:54.49 | zimm2 | ok , says its all installed .. but kmix cant see shit .. :( |
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| 20:55.45 | Stevie | anybody got a good recommendation on an x server for win32? |
| 20:56.20 | magyar | I just updated my kernel on sarge from 2.6.8-2 to 2.6.8-3. I had to build a e1000 module from source to get the nic working under previous kernel. How can i avoid a drive downtown after a reboot? |
| 20:56.30 | strider- | zimm2: did you run alsaconf? |
| 20:57.05 | zimm2 | it did lots of config stuff itself , then said it was ready , alsamixergui cant see anything eiuther |
| 20:57.30 | zimm2 | yup it ran alsaconf itelf .. |
| 20:58.05 | Tarantulafudg1 | ok |
| 20:58.55 | Tarantulafudg1 | so I removed the following packages that depended on exim: exim4 exim4-config exim4-daemon-light mailx exim4-base at, and now I'm testing mail with sendmail and it wont deliver |
| 20:59.57 | zimm2 | yeh , its all still saying no such device .. :( |
| 21:00.56 | strider- | zimm2: hmm, what soundcard? |
| 21:01.34 | zimm2 | intel 82801fb/fbm/fr is what alsaconf puports to have found .. |
| 21:01.54 | zimm2 | sorry its a laptop .. im unsure .. but am checkin at present .. |
| 21:02.27 | Thanatermesis | any person knows the date previsted for the udev with hotplug on it ? |
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| 21:03.29 | floppyears | hi |
| 21:03.41 | floppyears | I'm having problems with html validator and libstdc++5 |
| 21:04.02 | floppyears | does anybody here use firefox with that extension ? |
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| 21:06.42 | nile | do I need the alsa-base/alsa-utils packages if I compiled alsa into the kernel? |
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| 21:08.43 | zimm2 | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open_failed for default: no such device :(((((( |
| 21:10.34 | strider- | zimm2: what does modprobe snd-intel8x0 do? |
| 21:10.48 | Tarantulafudg1 | is everyone here sure sarge is really secure? |
| 21:12.07 | Ronin | all depends on what you did Tarantulafudg1 |
| 21:12.21 | zimm2 | strider-, nothing, well it loads.. but alsaconf was loading that anyway .. |
| 21:12.43 | zimm2 | just a thought .. its not something shitty in arts thats blocking this is it ? |
| 21:12.51 | corvax | any linux secure absolutly with no power :) |
| 21:13.21 | zimm2 | hmm , well killing artsd and starting again didnt work ,,m.. |
| 21:14.37 | asg | corvax: security is a process, not a product |
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| 21:15.11 | corvax | asg, certainly :) |
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| 21:16.53 | Tarantulafudg1 | can anyone help meh? |
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| 21:17.51 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: did you install the sendmail package? |
| 21:17.53 | MrP | how can I completely uninstall apache so I can compile a new version (getting a crazy error that'll hopefully go away once apache is uninstalled)? |
| 21:18.37 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: yea, read the message I sent awhile ago |
| 21:19.22 | magyar | I just updated my kernel on sarge from 2.6.8-2 to 2.6.8-3. I had to build a e1000 module from source to get the nic working under previous kernel. How can i avoid a drive downtown after a reboot? |
| 21:19.40 | Ronin | Tarantulafudg1: about not being able to use sendmail? whats that got to do with sarges security |
| 21:19.48 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: so, you removed exim and its attendant packages. Configure sendmail and you will be fine. I'm sure you know how to do that otherwise you wouldn't have removed the default mta. |
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| 21:20.18 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: surely it comes preconfigured for simple local transfers |
| 21:20.26 | zimm2 | strider-, hmmm . back in a mo .. |
| 21:20.54 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: read /usr/share/doc/sendmail/README.Debian{.gz} it will have any notes on post install configuration requirements. |
| 21:21.30 | floydwilde | I stuck three scsi drives in my computer which already has one ide that it boots from, recompiled raid into the kernel and now it won't boot from /dev/hda |
| 21:22.12 | floydwilde | says kernel panic can't boot from root on /dev/hda |
| 21:22.14 | asg | floydwilde: you took a pre-existing custom compilation and added a few options or you compiled a kernel from scratch? |
| 21:22.20 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg no such file |
| 21:22.36 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: is there a /usr/share/doc/sendmail directory? |
| 21:22.37 | floydwilde | I installed the 2.6.8 source deb |
| 21:22.46 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: yes |
| 21:23.05 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: then there will be a README or a README.Debian or a README.Debian.gz in there |
| 21:23.26 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: theres no README anything in any of the sendmail directories |
| 21:23.40 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: just changelogs etc |
| 21:24.43 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: then that package is broken; it is required to have one. Out of curiosity, why did you install sendmail since you don't have any familiarity with it? |
| 21:24.54 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: to learn it |
| 21:25.22 | Ronin | Tarantulafudg1: then off to sendmails website you should go |
| 21:25.37 | chealer9 | magyar: "a drive downtown"? |
| 21:25.37 | Tarantulafudg1 | Ronin: I have a nice sendmail book right here |
| 21:25.46 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: then I suggest you get a copy of the O'Reilly 'Bat' book and/or install the sendmail-doc package |
| 21:25.48 | Tarantulafudg1 | Ronin: and I tried reading that first, their documentation sucks |
| 21:26.37 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: the book I have is sendmail, 3rd Edition |
| 21:26.45 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: O'reilly |
| 21:26.57 | magyar | chealer9: means if the network wont come up |
| 21:27.16 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: but it requires me to test it from command line |
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| 21:27.44 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: I just need a simple sendmail configured for local, then I can tweak it as I read |
| 21:28.02 | magyar | chealer9: the server is in downtown core i am in the suburb |
| 21:28.41 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: the book comes with a simple one in the early part of the book. Unless you have a compelling reason to even consider this beast of a piece of software, I'd suggest looking at postfix first. |
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| 21:29.19 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: postfix I hear is not that great |
| 21:29.33 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: I've messed with it before |
| 21:29.54 | chealer9 | magyar: uh? the server? most people here have most likely no idea of where you are |
| 21:30.07 | Ronin | nothing wrong with postfix, exim,and yes qmail |
| 21:30.18 | floydwilde | What should you do in kernel compilation to make it so you can still boot of the same ide drive, and just add a RAID 1 array of 3 scsi disks |
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| 21:31.37 | magyar | chealer9: thanks, good staff |
| 21:31.38 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: like I said, unless you have a compelling reason to use Sendmail (and you would know if you did) use something like postfix. Exim is basically Sendmail-lite with a similar architecture. qmail is also good if you can get by the political conundra involved with running it. |
| 21:32.14 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: its really important that I learn sendmail |
| 21:32.47 | asg | Tarantulafudg1: then do so; the 'bat' book will take you through all you need to know. |
| 21:33.02 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: this is the bat book |
| 21:33.11 | Ronin | asg: now play nice dont hurt them too badly |
| 21:33.13 | Tarantulafudg1 | asg: but I can't learn it if it doesn't work |
| 21:34.28 | magyar | can i run sarge with etch kernel? |
| 21:34.36 | floydwilde | is this going to help me: http://www.doorbot.com/guides/linux/x86/grubraid/ |
| 21:34.49 | floydwilde | I'm using sarge btw |
| 21:37.08 | Halitherses | Is there any software that can prob ethe temperature of my cpu? |
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| 21:37.28 | Ronin | Halitherses: lmsensors as i recall |
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| 21:41.31 | unstable | yes/j 2 |
| 21:41.51 | nick|here | i have just installed linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 to my machine. but i can't find the kernel source in repos? |
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| 21:43.57 | schlurchz | Hi I'm just getting started with gnupg. Now adding 'keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg' to my gpg.conf seems to make this keyring my default one. Is this behaviour correct? |
| 21:44.11 | schlurchz | I haven't specified other keyrings explicitely. |
| 21:44.52 | schlurchz | Importing keys into my public keyring does no longer work. |
| 21:45.14 | schlurchz | ... because debian-keyring.gpg is read-only, of course. |
| 21:46.09 | schlurchz | IIUC adding more keyrings shouldn't touch the default keyring. Wrong? |
| 21:46.55 | RichiH | schlurchz: use a keyring in ~/.gpg and import the keys from the debian keyring |
| 21:47.15 | RichiH | or .gnupg |
| 21:47.17 | RichiH | forgot which |
| 21:47.18 | chealer9 | nick|here: is that a question? |
| 21:47.37 | RichiH | nick|here: install the sources? |
| 21:47.39 | nick|here | chealer9: i'm a newbie. can you help me? |
| 21:47.40 | schlurchz | RichiH: yes I've thought about that.. but that's a workaround |
| 21:47.50 | RichiH | schlurchz: no, it is not |
| 21:48.01 | spowers | nick|here: look for kernel-source package |
| 21:48.30 | chealer9 | nick|here: probably. we also encourage newbies to request help efficiently |
| 21:48.32 | schlurchz | RichiH: but why does specifying the plain read-only keyring hide the default one? |
| 21:48.38 | chealer9 | nick|here: which release do you use? |
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| 21:49.10 | foo | Hmm, I am reinstalling my system. I am installing from the debian net install cd. Is it best to upgrade to unstable before or after I upgrade the kernel? |
| 21:49.11 | RichiH | schlurchz: oh, i totally misread what you said |
| 21:49.12 | nick|here | chealer: debian sarge |
| 21:49.18 | nick|here | chealer9: debian sarge |
| 21:49.24 | RichiH | i thought you _wanted_ the debian keyring to be your default one |
| 21:49.34 | RichiH | which would, of course, be stupid |
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| 21:49.48 | schlurchz | :-) of course not |
| 21:49.56 | chealer9 | nick|here: so how come you installed kernel 2.6.16 on your machine? |
| 21:49.57 | RichiH | foo: does not really matter, but i do it first thing after the install |
| 21:50.15 | schlurchz | IIUC the 'keyring' _adds_ keyrings. |
| 21:50.17 | foo | RichiH: ah, ok. Do what? Upgrade kernel? |
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| 21:50.30 | nick|here | chealer9: searched for linux-image via apt then installed it |
| 21:50.31 | schlurchz | ... and it shouldn't override the default... |
| 21:50.31 | RichiH | foo: well, not entirely, i install vim to edit menu.lst, set a higer resolution, reboot and _then_ upgrade to unstable |
| 21:50.37 | foo | ah |
| 21:50.45 | RichiH | foo: upgrade to sid |
| 21:50.47 | foo | RichiH: menu.lst? What is that? |
| 21:50.59 | RichiH | foo: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:51.16 | schlurchz | s/'keyring'/'keyring' directive/ |
| 21:51.20 | RichiH | someone using sid should know how to edit his bootloader ;) |
| 21:51.30 | chealer9 | nick|here: you are *not* supposed to have linux-image* packages available via APT on Debian Sarge |
| 21:51.38 | foo | RichiH: Yeah, but you mean resolution for grub and the text and what not? Cool, I've never known that. |
| 21:51.41 | foo | RichiH: haha. :P |
| 21:51.53 | RichiH | schlurchz: i am not sure about what it is supposed to do, exactly, sorry |
| 21:52.07 | nick|here | chealer9: i'm using unstable version |
| 21:52.11 | RichiH | foo: no, i mean the vga=79X stuff |
| 21:52.23 | foo | RichiH: ah |
| 21:52.29 | chealer9 | nick|here: ugh. Debian Sarge is *not* unstable |
| 21:52.30 | RichiH | foo: you will need to wait for grub2 for fancy boot menus |
| 21:52.35 | foo | RichiH: ah, hehe. |
| 21:52.43 | RichiH | or use isolinux or syslinx, for that matter |
| 21:52.55 | nick|here | chealer9: (shy) i don't know that :( |
| 21:53.03 | schlurchz | Hmm. I'll try #gnupg |
| 21:53.17 | foo | RichiH: err, stupid install. It always does this. I have net install and installing from the ftp.debian.com mirrors .. apt can grab the package lists .. but it can't grab the packages. It is hanging at 0% |
| 21:53.32 | nick|here | chealer9: but i'm using unstable version. because i installed via netinstall and used unstable repos |
| 21:53.46 | RichiH | foo: i never use ftp.debian.org |
| 21:53.54 | foo | RichiH: ah, connection timed out. blah. |
| 21:53.55 | foo | thanks |
| 21:54.00 | foo | anyways |
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| 21:54.32 | fir3st0rm | hi |
| 21:55.01 | fir3st0rm | how can i associate a mouse buttons with a shell commands - without an X server |
| 21:55.03 | chealer9 | nick|here: now is the time to reinstall sarge (or etch) |
| 21:55.29 | chealer9 | nick|here: (as you can't downgrade release) |
| 21:55.42 | nick|here | chealer9: using stable repos?? |
| 21:56.00 | chealer9 | nick|here: if you reinstall sarge, yes, as sarge is stable |
| 21:56.02 | mentor | fir3st0rm: gpm? |
| 21:56.46 | nick|here | chealer9: t hanks |
| 21:56.47 | fir3st0rm | mentor: gpm, ok i'll try that tnx |
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| 22:07.46 | VolVE | hey all, I've got postfix happily setup and sending mail merrily, but I was wondering if I could add an exception where any mail with a certain FROM address that one of my user's creates can be handed off to a specific remote SMTP server for delivery, instead of my postfix trying to deliver it? |
| 22:12.29 | foo | I am trying to install a kernel deb package, but I am getting this: "Could not find mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird. at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp .... what packages do I need? apt-file and apt-cache aren't helping. |
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| 22:23.24 | zimm2 | w00t and now it all works .. |
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| 22:23.48 | zimm2 | had to reboot, and add user to äudio"group .. ho hum .. |
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| 22:26.44 | action09 | hi |
| 22:27.02 | s-andy | hi all. i plan to upgrade my motherboard. which would you recommend? |
| 22:27.09 | action09 | anybody has a link on correct way to install j2re on sid please ? |
| 22:27.13 | s-andy | i need amd64 |
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| 22:27.35 | strider- | zimm2: nice, had assumed that with etch, the user is already added to the audio group |
| 22:28.36 | strider- | action09: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 22:28.42 | action09 | thx strider- |
| 22:28.49 | zimm2 | strider-, main problem was running alsaconf from konsole .. ie: with kde running ... it wasnt able to remove the modules .. yet carried on oblivious and achieved nowt .. exit kde, run from console , alll fine .. :) |
| 22:29.37 | nick|here | i'm installing debian to my system. i want to install *SARGE* . Which repo's should i use to? unstable,stable? |
| 22:29.45 | gravity | nick|here: stable |
| 22:29.53 | ghostbar | nick|here, sarge=stable |
| 22:29.58 | nick|here | thanks |
| 22:29.59 | zimm2 | and the re-boot bseems to have stopped all the random crashes and seg-faults i was getting .. kde doesnt even hag at ďnitialising system services now .. lol .. |
| 22:30.24 | zimm2 | anyone know a GOOD visualisation for xmms ? |
| 22:30.43 | s-andy | can anyone recommend some amd64 based motherboard? |
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| 22:31.01 | strider- | zimm2: probably just needed to logout after adding yourself to the audio group. or maybe su to your user |
| 22:31.31 | hstl | how do i upgrade my kernel to 2.6 from 2.4 stable? |
| 22:31.41 | zimm2 | strider-, maybe .. was having lots of other issues tooo though .. ho hum done now ..:) |
| 22:31.45 | ghostbar | hstl, installing 2.6... |
| 22:31.49 | hstl | how? |
| 22:32.00 | ghostbar | hstl, aptitude install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 22:32.07 | hstl | ic |
| 22:33.24 | ghostbar | hstl, since etch its linux-image-2.X |
| 22:34.39 | hstl | im using sarge |
| 22:34.45 | hstl | what would be a good one? |
| 22:35.05 | ghostbar | hstl, a good one for what? |
| 22:35.20 | hstl | sarge |
| 22:35.22 | action09 | to have psychedelic experience :) |
| 22:35.31 | loxley_ | hstl: apt-cache search kernel-image then pick your flavour |
| 22:36.05 | ghostbar | hstl, or aptitude search kernel-image , if you just want 2.6 then aptitude search kernel-image-2.6 ;) |
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| 22:39.07 | hstl | ok |
| 22:39.23 | hstl | i just got 2.6, after you rebooted from it, how do you delete the old one? |
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| 22:42.59 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 22:43.09 | JohnFlux | how can I convert a load of png's into an avi? |
| 22:43.23 | JohnFlux | I can't get mencoder to work for some reason |
| 22:43.28 | JohnFlux | any other suggestions? |
| 22:43.35 | jayeola | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=241355 |
| 22:43.50 | jayeola | ^^ has any one suffered from this ^^ ? |
| 22:44.03 | jayeola | it's a clean install and the cd is -fine- |
| 22:45.21 | loxley_ | hstl: use aptitude or apt-get remove .. |
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| 22:46.35 | zimm2 | anyone have any idea what module might need to be loaded to use the tv tuner in a qosmio f20 137 laptop ? (2.6.15 kernel) |
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| 22:49.32 | blondie | argh fucking SD card bullshit |
| 22:50.57 | blondie | I take photos and they show up on my camera, but not when I put the SD card in my PC :\ |
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| 22:51.12 | blondie | it seems to be caching the old directory listing or something |
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| 22:51.23 | konfuzed | some input please, what do I do about this - bread: Cannot read the block (3465): (Input/output error). - Warning... fsck.reiserfs for device /dev/hdb2 exited with signal 6. ? |
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| 22:52.12 | blondie | how can I get it to update? x.x |
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| 22:56.14 | echo083 | hello |
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| 22:56.31 | echo083 | smbdy to help me with my debian installation please? |
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| 22:56.58 | i3dmaster | got a question. sometime ago my gnone crashed once and I had several apps still opened, since then every time when I start gnome, those apps will startup automatically. they are not in session startup list. Im wondering how to get them removed and where... |
| 22:57.07 | jayeola | echo083: ?? |
| 22:57.17 | jayeola | can u boot your machine? |
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| 22:57.51 | echo083 | jayeola, you mean what is my problem :) when i do "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" it downloads the deb package |
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| 22:58.31 | aster1sK | Hi, I am a former user of debian that has switched to gentoo. But I am on a server atm that runs debian, on which I am not root |
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| 22:58.41 | aster1sK | How do I check if libperl-dev is installed? |
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| 22:58.52 | echo083_ | jayeola, so i have no x server ): ): |
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| 22:59.05 | gravity | aster1sK: apt-cache policy libperl-dev |
| 22:59.26 | aster1sK | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.28 | aster1sK | Hmm |
| 22:59.30 | aster1sK | Thanks |
| 22:59.31 | foo | What's the debian way on installing the kernel again? I can't grab it from the bot. |
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| 22:59.46 | gravity | foo: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 22:59.50 | aster1sK | foo: You need the kpkg-package. |
| 22:59.56 | foo | ahh, thanks |
| 23:00.02 | blondie | foo: apt-get install linux-image-x? |
| 23:00.17 | foo | blondie: heh - I made my own kernel. |
| 23:00.20 | foo | blondie: Thanks anyways |
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| 23:00.28 | foo | aster1sK: Can't find that package |
| 23:00.31 | blondie | aw |
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| 23:01.01 | aster1sK | foo: apt-cache search kpkg |
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| 23:01.39 | jayeola | what's up with sarge? new install .... "init: ld "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" |
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| 23:02.31 | jayeola | i notice that it's a 2.6.15 kernel :/ |
| 23:02.51 | foo | aster1sK: You mean kernel-package? |
| 23:02.59 | aster1sK | foo: Perhaps. |
| 23:03.05 | foo | aster1sK: I have that installed. hmm |
| 23:03.06 | aster1sK | I am only a former Debian user |
| 23:03.22 | foo | I am trying to install a kernel deb package, but I am getting this: "Could not find mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird. at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp .... what packages do I need? apt-file and apt-cache aren't helping. |
| 23:03.41 | foo | I made the kernel deb package. Blah. What package has those two binaries? I think that's what I need. |
| 23:04.01 | De_Mon | mid(str,1) or left(str,len(str)-1) |
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| 23:04.15 | De_Mon | the first way definally looks cleaner |
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| 23:04.33 | echo083_ | i can't install xserver-xfree86 the installation stops at the preconfiguration step, i have no x server !!! does anybody has an idea? |
| 23:04.35 | De_Mon | (trim first or last character of string) |
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| 23:05.47 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 23:05.55 | tobiask | echo083: what's the last feedback you get, before it stops? |
| 23:05.55 | yassine | what doese the number "1" in( define CONFIG_FW_LOADER 1 ) means please and whats the differnce between that and (define CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4(_MODULE) 1) ? |
| 23:06.50 | echo083_ | tobiask, i just typed "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" before it stops it just downloaded the package |
| 23:07.27 | tobiask | echo083: are you running testing or unstable? |
| 23:07.56 | echo083_ | tobiask, it writes "Preconfiguring ...................." and nothing happen (i even waited twenty minutes) |
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| 23:08.07 | foo | Can someone have the bot tell me how to build a kernel and make a deb out of it please./ |
| 23:08.10 | echo083_ | tobiask, it the Debian 3.1r1a version |
| 23:08.14 | echo083_ | tobiask, it is the Debian 3.1r1a version |
| 23:08.41 | echo083_ | tobiask, the last one i believe it is a stable version |
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| 23:10.12 | tobiask | echo083: is it still hanging? did you kill it? have you tried again? |
| 23:10.19 | echo083_ | tobiask, can you help me? |
| 23:10.25 | foo | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 23:10.28 | foo | What do I do about that again? |
| 23:11.36 | maxb | foo: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 23:12.12 | strider- | foo: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 23:12.59 | foo | thanks |
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| 23:16.19 | crosswinds | hi |
| 23:16.23 | gnuyen | hi |
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| 23:16.46 | gnuyen | I'm trying to redirect the line-in from my soundcard to an external sound card |
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| 23:16.49 | p3rti | hi |
| 23:16.56 | gnuyen | i'm running alsa, so i don't know what device line in is |
| 23:17.03 | rkrueger | hi |
| 23:17.03 | gnuyen | otherwise i would just esdcat /dev/dsp or whatever |
| 23:17.04 | echo083__ | tobiask, sorry i was disconnected still here? |
| 23:17.06 | crosswinds | anyone knows how do i make an application Autostart in kde for all users?? |
| 23:17.10 | p3rti | someone know what its the port of X11 Server.. and how can i permit access from others machines. |
| 23:17.20 | gnuyen | does anyone know how to get access to the filestream of the line in audio? |
| 23:17.23 | p3rti | with xhost +ipremotemachine?? |
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| 23:18.07 | gnuyen | p3rti, can you use ssh? |
| 23:18.12 | p3rti | yes |
| 23:18.13 | rkrueger | @p3rti port 6000 , then edit the conf form your gdm/kdm/xdm config...search for "no listen tcp" |
| 23:18.15 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 |
| 23:18.15 | foo | gpg: WARNING: nothing exported |
| 23:18.20 | foo | Hmm. I am doing that for marillat sources. |
| 23:18.31 | gnuyen | that will work too |
| 23:18.31 | foo | Is that normal? I don't think so. apt-get update after that and I get the same problem. blah. |
| 23:18.42 | crosswinds | anyone knows how do i make an application Autostart in kde for all users?? |
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| 23:19.00 | gnuyen | you could possibly just do ssh -X depending on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 23:19.28 | p3rti | gnuyen, yes.. the only problem its that my conection to internet its behind a firewall.. so i need to redirect the package to my pc. |
| 23:19.35 | gnuyen | is there a command line utility to record or pipe line in? |
| 23:19.58 | foo | Errhttp://security.debian.org sid/updates/main Packages |
| 23:19.58 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.00 | rkrueger | make a tunnel .... 8) |
| 23:20.03 | foo | Hmm, what's wrong with my source? |
| 23:20.16 | gnuyen | p3rti, on the X server side or on the client side |
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| 23:21.02 | p3rti | gnuyen, i'm on the xserver side.. so i need to run a based X software from a remote machine. |
| 23:21.14 | gnuyen | p3rti, can you ssh to the remote machine? |
| 23:21.20 | tobiask | echo083_: did you fall asleep? |
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| 23:21.31 | p3rti | gnuyen, yes.. actually i'm doing.. with ssh -XY p3rti@.... |
| 23:22.17 | gnuyen | p3rti, so what's the problem? |
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| 23:22.25 | rkrueger | ? |
| 23:22.30 | rkrueger | -? |
| 23:22.31 | rkrueger | hel |
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| 23:22.50 | p3rti | gnuyen, i dont know.. i cant see the graphics.. the problem i think that its my firewall |
| 23:22.57 | strider- | foo: sid is unstable |
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| 23:23.04 | gnuyen | p3rti, if you can SSH over, the problem isn't in your firewall |
| 23:23.10 | foo | strider-: I tried that too. I'll try it again |
| 23:23.11 | gnuyen | since the data should come over the ssh connection |
| 23:23.44 | strider- | foo: i meant that there is no security repos for unstable |
| 23:23.46 | gnuyen | p3rti, when you ssh -X, echo $DISPLAY what do you get |
| 23:24.12 | foo | strider-: ah, ok. Should I use testing or what? |
| 23:24.26 | p3rti | gnuyen, i execute export DISPLAY="miip:0.0" |
| 23:24.41 | p3rti | gnuyen, and on my machine i make xhost +remotemachine |
| 23:24.42 | gnuyen | p3rti, you don't want to do that |
| 23:24.47 | strider- | foo: what are you running now? |
| 23:24.54 | p3rti | gnuyen, why? |
| 23:24.58 | gnuyen | p3rti, if you're ssh -X from a terminal on the Xserver |
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| 23:25.33 | gnuyen | p3rti, it will pipe the X commands over that ssh tunnel |
| 23:25.43 | foo | strider-: sid |
| 23:25.55 | p3rti | gnuyen, ok.. but i need to make xhost + right? |
| 23:25.55 | gnuyen | theoretically when you ssh -X it should set your DISPLAY env variable for you |
| 23:25.58 | gnuyen | p3rti, no |
| 23:26.06 | p3rti | mm |
| 23:26.07 | gnuyen | p3rti, because you're using ssh tunneling |
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| 23:26.23 | quasimoto | when you setup an NNTP server, is it sort of like bind? where you have master server listings (of big backbone newsgroups) ? |
| 23:26.35 | strider- | foo: you don't need that then at all |
| 23:26.41 | p3rti | gnuyen, so.. i dont know what its happening.. |
| 23:26.42 | blondie | quasimoto: something like that |
| 23:26.47 | epsilon | p3rti: you need xauth stuff, not xhost |
| 23:26.53 | p3rti | ahhh |
| 23:26.53 | foo | strider-: ah, ok. |
| 23:26.55 | gnuyen | p3rti, because you're running ssh from a terminal that already has X authority, you don't need any additional security |
| 23:26.56 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add - |
| 23:26.57 | foo | gpg: WARNING: nothing exported |
| 23:26.57 | foo | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 23:26.59 | quasimoto | blondie: well my question is, if i setup a server, will those posts show on all other newsgroups.. big ones? |
| 23:27.00 | foo | Bah. I don't think that's working. |
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| 23:27.04 | foo | Any ideas on that? |
| 23:27.12 | gnuyen | p3rti, ssh -X <remotemachine>; then type echo $DISPLAY |
| 23:27.14 | blondie | quasimoto: if you set it up right :P |
| 23:27.15 | gnuyen | and tell me what it says |
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| 23:27.19 | p3rti | gnuyen, wait |
| 23:27.27 | epsilon | foo: you didn't imported it first? |
| 23:27.35 | quasimoto | blondie: well, what does that intail? lol besides following the instructions/readme |
| 23:27.37 | quasimoto | anything else |
| 23:27.40 | p3rti | gnuyen, localhost:10.0 |
| 23:27.51 | foo | epsilon: Hmm, what do you mean? Didn't see anything from the bot about that |
| 23:28.01 | gnuyen | p3rti, type xclock |
| 23:28.14 | epsilon | foo: import the key from keyserver fist |
| 23:28.39 | foo | epsilon: How? That should be in the bot. hmm |
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| 23:28.45 | p3rti | gnuyen, it's waiting.. |
| 23:28.54 | gnuyen | p3rti, what does it say |
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| 23:29.05 | p3rti | [p3rti@sis25 ~]$ xclock |
| 23:29.07 | p3rti | nothing.. |
| 23:29.09 | gnuyen | look around |
| 23:29.09 | epsilon | foo: man gpg, take a look at import from keyserver section (oh what wonder) |
| 23:29.16 | gnuyen | p3rti, did an xclock appear on your X server? |
| 23:29.18 | foo | epsilon: eh. Alright. |
| 23:29.21 | p3rti | gnuyen, nop. |
| 23:29.33 | p3rti | gnuyen, its like running but i cant see anything. |
| 23:29.40 | epsilon | any error message in shell? |
| 23:29.44 | gnuyen | p3rti, exit |
| 23:29.50 | gnuyen | p3rti, the ssh session |
| 23:29.56 | gnuyen | p3rti, and then type echo $DISPLAY |
| 23:29.58 | foo | Whoever is in charge of the bot should add the import section to the bot with marillat key. |
| 23:30.07 | p3rti | :0.0 |
| 23:30.21 | epsilon | is wrong |
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| 23:30.23 | gnuyen | p3rti, if you type xclock |
| 23:30.28 | gnuyen | p3rti, does it run from there? |
| 23:30.31 | p3rti | its run.. |
| 23:30.33 | p3rti | yes.. |
| 23:30.39 | gnuyen | p3rti, and it shows up? |
| 23:30.43 | strider- | foo: hmm, gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 |
| 23:30.48 | p3rti | gnuyen, yes |
| 23:30.57 | p3rti | gnuyen, its too wear.. |
| 23:31.01 | Jake_ | hmmm im confussled - i just setup postfix+courier-imap and it works a treat, but courier-imap cannot auth against the same mechanism needed for postfix too auth smtp connections |
| 23:31.04 | foo | strider-: Thank you |
| 23:31.05 | gnuyen | it's too wear? |
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| 23:31.18 | Jake_ | so i need too change my imap server too something that can auth against a sasl db ? |
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| 23:31.21 | p3rti | gnuyen, sorry for my english. |
| 23:31.29 | Jake_ | or face having two password files.. ? |
| 23:31.29 | p3rti | gnuyen, i mean strange? |
| 23:31.42 | p3rti | gnuyen, mmm i dont know the word :S |
| 23:32.12 | gnuyen | p3rti, in sshd_config on the remote server |
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| 23:32.20 | gnuyen | p3rti, is X11Forwarding set to yes? |
| 23:32.25 | p3rti | gnuyen, let me see |
| 23:33.05 | cafuego | Jake_: it can; but you need to use autd-pam with courier. Easiest is to auth against a mysql or ldap store. |
| 23:33.06 | p3rti | X11Forwarding yes |
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| 23:33.38 | gnuyen | p3rti, well it should just work without the xhost stuff |
| 23:33.44 | Jake_ | cafuego, damn - things just get complicated some days |
| 23:33.50 | Jake_ | cafuego, thanks for help :) |
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| 23:34.05 | cafuego | Jake_: search google for 'ispmail sarge' |
| 23:34.11 | cafuego | !ispmail |
| 23:34.16 | p3rti | Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| 23:34.20 | gnuyen | p3rti, the data should go through the socket you connected on through port 222 |
| 23:34.36 | gnuyen | p3rti, are you doing -XY or just -X |
| 23:34.57 | p3rti | gnuyen, i make the test with -XY and -X |
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| 23:35.07 | bemor | Hi |
| 23:35.08 | gnuyen | p3rti, and on both it says that error? |
| 23:35.16 | bemor | anyone uses software raid here? |
| 23:35.21 | epsilon | p3rti: so you are tryin SSH -X and run x application on remote and display local? |
| 23:35.23 | cafuego | bemor: I do |
| 23:35.29 | Jake_ | i just didnt want to use mysql :/ |
| 23:35.31 | unstable | !tell bemor about anyone |
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| 23:35.36 | unstable | !tell bemor about software raid |
| 23:35.42 | p3rti | gnuyen, yes |
| 23:35.42 | cafuego | Jake_: It works more or less the same with ldap |
| 23:35.45 | epsilon | /nick anyone |
| 23:35.52 | unstable | !tell bemor about be |
| 23:35.55 | gnuyen | p3rti, where is that error? |
| 23:35.56 | epsilon | damn! registered |
| 23:36.11 | Jake_ | cafuego, much appreciated - thanks |
| 23:36.16 | p3rti | gnuyen, when i try to run a x app like root |
| 23:36.27 | p3rti | gnuyen, local root. |
| 23:36.40 | gnuyen | p3rti, right well you shouldn't do that |
| 23:36.45 | cafuego | Jake_: if you have the account mappings set up, all you need is a store for the passwords; you'll need to save them as cleartext if you want to use MD% based auth. |
| 23:36.49 | gnuyen | p3rti, you should be logged in as yourself when you ssh |
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| 23:37.00 | gnuyen | but you should be if you can run xclock from that terminal |
| 23:37.02 | gnuyen | then ssh |
| 23:37.24 | epsilon | why do not run X-app as root, if the box & connection is secure? |
| 23:37.43 | unstable | bemor: How do I say "If you need help with debian and want to speak Begian, /join #debian-belgium" |
| 23:37.50 | gnuyen | p3rti, if you can type xclock in the terminal and it shows up, and then type ssh -X username@remote xclock |
| 23:37.53 | p3rti | epsilon, actually i run a x-app on my local machine like root and it say that error |
| 23:37.54 | gnuyen | p3rti, it should run |
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| 23:38.19 | gnuyen | p3rti, because you're a different user and aren't authorized to attach to that persons X server |
| 23:38.31 | quasimoto | when you setup an NNTP server, is it sort of like bind? where you have master server listings (of big backbone newsgroups) ? or do u have to contact some sort of usenet authority to auth. u to peer with them? i dont get it |
| 23:38.41 | gnuyen | p3rti, that's a local thing |
| 23:38.48 | p3rti | gnuyen, its a warning if i run a app from the terminal like root it run |
| 23:38.53 | p3rti | gnuyen, but it say that warning |
| 23:39.01 | gnuyen | p3rti, right, because it's a different user |
| 23:39.07 | gnuyen | p3rti, that's not the issue right |
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| 23:39.15 | p3rti | gnuyen, ok. |
| 23:39.17 | gnuyen | p3rti, as yourself, the user that is logged into X windows |
| 23:39.28 | gnuyen | p3rti, in a terminal type whoami |
| 23:39.43 | hslt_ | hey, i installed nvidia drivers, but how come i can only set my resolution to 1024x768 61hz? |
| 23:39.50 | gnuyen | p3rti, then echo $DISPLAY; xclock |
| 23:39.53 | unstable | bemor: here? |
| 23:39.59 | p3rti | gnuyen, on my local machine? |
| 23:40.03 | gnuyen | p3rti, yes |
| 23:40.23 | p3rti | perti@linuxos:~$ whoami |
| 23:40.23 | p3rti | perti |
| 23:40.23 | p3rti | perti@linuxos:~$ echo $DISPLAY; xclock |
| 23:40.23 | p3rti | :0.0 |
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| 23:40.24 | hslt_ | anyone? |
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| 23:40.34 | p3rti | sory |
| 23:40.34 | gnuyen | p3rti, then if the xclock comes up, close it then type ssh -X username@remoteXserver xclock |
| 23:40.36 | p3rti | sorry |
| 23:41.04 | epsilon | p3rti: export DISPLAY="localhost:10.0" |
| 23:41.24 | gnuyen | epsilon, supposedly it's already getting setup |
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| 23:41.32 | i3dmaster | got a question. sometime ago my gnone crashed once and I had several apps still opened, since then every time when I start gnome, those apps will startup automatically. they are not in session startup list. Im wondering how to get them removed and where... |
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| 23:41.43 | Snake__ | !op |
| 23:41.45 | Snake__ | ... |
| 23:41.48 | Snake__ | !ops |
| 23:41.48 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 23:42.07 | p3rti | gnuyen, now localhost:11.0 |
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| 23:42.15 | p3rti | gnuyen, its on remoteXserver.. |
| 23:42.17 | unstable | Snake__: What do you want? |
| 23:42.19 | gnuyen | p3rti, i said |
| 23:42.23 | p3rti | gnuyen, and dont run.. |
| 23:42.23 | hslt_ | hey, i installed nvidia drivers, but how come i can only set my resolution to 1024x768 61hz? |
| 23:42.27 | p3rti | gnuyen, :S |
| 23:42.28 | gnuyen | p3rti, run ssh -X username@remoteserver xclock |
| 23:42.30 | Snake__ | unstable: I would like to talk to a op about dpkg . |
| 23:42.33 | gnuyen | p3rti, one command |
| 23:42.39 | unstable | Snake__: What is your question? |
| 23:42.42 | p3rti | gnuyen, i make the command and its waitting.. |
| 23:42.48 | gnuyen | p3rti, and it doesn't show up? |
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| 23:42.56 | p3rti | gnuyen, no :S |
| 23:43.08 | Snake__ | unstable: Its more of a community question, do you have much bot abuse around? (with the more comical factoids?) |
| 23:43.09 | gnuyen | p3rti, make sure, because it should |
| 23:43.13 | gnuyen | p3rti, do ssh -X localhost xclock |
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| 23:43.23 | unstable | Snake__: sometimes, but pretty rare. |
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| 23:43.39 | unstable | Snake__: You can always go back to the last factoid. |
| 23:43.44 | unstable | Snake__: some factiods can't be changed. |
| 23:43.51 | p3rti | gnuyen, ok.. i get a error! |
| 23:43.56 | gnuyen | p3rti, which is? |
| 23:43.58 | unstable | Snake__: generally the system works very very well, dpkg is terribly useful. So overall I believe it's a sucess. |
| 23:44.06 | p3rti | gnuyen, Error: Can't open display: |
| 23:44.12 | p3rti | gnuyen, when i try to make ssh -X localhost xclock |
| 23:44.14 | unstable | Snake__: You'll always have a dipshit now and then though. |
| 23:44.18 | gnuyen | p3rti, enable X forwarding in sshd on your local machine |
| 23:44.32 | p3rti | gnuyen, wait.. |
| 23:44.41 | Snake__ | unstable: Im trying to get a bot closer to dpkg in ubuntu channels, just because...ubotu is lame, and un funny. Very resourceful, but dull. dpkg is pretty fun imho, I have a great time with it in #debian-bots. Their main argument is bot abuse |
| 23:44.47 | p3rti | gnuyen, right!!! it isnt |
| 23:44.59 | Jake_ | alot of the email clients im looking at do "todo, calendar" etc etc does that get stored via imap?? |
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| 23:45.12 | unstable | Snake__: Talk to them. That's Ubuntu not debian. |
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| 23:45.27 | Snake__ | unstable: im aware, but I wanted to see if you get much bot abuse in here. |
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| 23:45.36 | Snake__ | I would like to mention this channel as a argument |
| 23:46.15 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here running postgresql? where is the pg_hba.conf file? |
| 23:46.16 | hslt_ | hey, i installed nvidia drivers, but how come i can only set my resolution to 1024x768 61hz? |
| 23:46.24 | Snake__ | alright, thats about all |
| 23:46.26 | mentor | Snake__: No, because too much bot abuse is punished with the wrath of the gods |
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| 23:46.34 | rlaager | I'm looking for something that will show me the leaves of the dependency tree... basically, anything that I can remove. I'd then mark all the packages I actually want, and it'd allow me to prune back extra packages. |
| 23:46.35 | unstable | !tell hslt_ about repeat |
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| 23:46.50 | Snake__ | mentor: thats how it should be. I dont see why we cant have a bot as funny and informative as dpkg |
| 23:46.51 | p3rti | gnuyen, ok.. i change it. but now when i make ssh -X localhost xclock it show |
| 23:46.54 | p3rti | gnuyen, /usr/bin/X11/xauth: /home/perti/.Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored |
| 23:46.59 | mentor | rlaager: deborphan and friends? |
| 23:47.07 | laurens_ | aaaaaah |
| 23:47.10 | laurens_ | aaaaaaah |
| 23:47.12 | unstable | rlaager: What are you trying to do? |
| 23:47.22 | laurens_ | you work on a tv capture card |
| 23:47.29 | laurens_ | you capture random data from your cable tv |
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| 23:47.33 | laurens_ | and THIS comes out |
| 23:47.33 | gnuyen | p3rti, you ran something as root when you should't, delete .Xauthoirty |
| 23:47.34 | laurens_ | http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/i/AS2ZF119N808 |
| 23:47.35 | gnuyen | p3rti, you ran something as root when you should't, delete .Xauthority |
| 23:47.36 | laurens_ | of all things |
| 23:47.53 | mentor | Snake__: We have had problems with abusive/personal facts in dpkg, but you can have the bot ignore people and you have a bit of access control on dpkg too. |
| 23:48.16 | gnuyen | !tell me about ssh |
| 23:48.27 | laurens_ | !tell me about ubuntu |
| 23:48.43 | wmhtet | !tell me about ssh |
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| 23:50.32 | unstable | !tell wmhtet about msgdpkg |
| 23:50.43 | unstable | !tell laurens_ about msgdpkg |
| 23:50.58 | unstable | You guys can all /msg dpkg help; or /msg dpkg whateveryouwanthere; |
| 23:51.03 | rlaager | mentor: Fabulous. Thanks. That's just what I'm looking for. |
| 23:51.14 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:52.03 | laurens_ | 01:52 <laurens_> tell me about flying pigs |
| 23:52.04 | laurens_ | 01:52 <dpkg> i dunno what is 'flying pigs'. |
| 23:52.12 | laurens_ | I spot a hole in the dpkg knowledge base. |
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| 23:52.20 | laurens_ | Any idea on something funny to put there? |
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| 23:53.21 | stoned | lol |
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| 23:56.07 | xtest | Does anyone use zen cart? |
| 23:56.18 | unstable | !tell xtest about anyone |
| 23:56.38 | unstable | !tell xtest about ask |
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| 23:57.25 | golab | hi, i have a one question |
| 23:57.47 | golab | i update& upgrade my system [sid] and i see |
| 23:57.52 | unstable | !pl |
| 23:57.52 | dpkg | i heard pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 23:58.07 | golab | dpkg: błąd przetwarzania /var/cache/apt/archives/libxt6_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb (--unpack): próba nadpisania `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', który istnieje także w pakiecie xnview |
| 23:58.09 | xtest | I'm trying to get ZenCart instaled. I have installed mysql5, php 5.1.2.1-dotdeb. But the install script that verifies the setup says that MySQl Support is off, |
| 23:58.12 | golab | Wystąpiły błędy podczas przetwarzania: /var/cache/apt/archives/libxt6_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb |
| 23:58.15 | golab | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 23:58.23 | unstable | golab: I can't read that, try #debian.pl |
| 23:59.07 | unstable | golab: type /join #debian.pl in your irc client. |
| 23:59.16 | golab | unstable: yes, yes:) |
| 23:59.30 | golab | on #debian.pl are 2 people:) |
| 23:59.37 | xtest | The error message is: "The database you have selected does not appear to be supported by the PHP version installed. |
