| 00:00.03 | tobiask | golab: then set your locale to en_US for a minute |
| 00:00.18 | unstable | xtest: So install php4 |
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| 00:00.36 | unstable | golab: yea, if you set your locales to en_US we can help you better. |
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| 00:00.43 | golab | ok |
| 00:00.46 | kyzma | I from Russia vote I belittle http://l2top.ru/?voteme=373 |
| 00:00.56 | golab | whait the minute |
| 00:01.48 | kyzma | I from Russia vote I belittle http://l2top.ru/?voteme=373 |
| 00:01.58 | golab | dpkg: blad przetwarzania /var/cache/apt/archives/libxt6_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 00:02.01 | golab | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.05 | golab | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.07 | golab | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.09 | golab | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.56 | unstable | golab: That's still in Polish |
| 00:03.02 | kyzma | I from Russia vote I belittle http://l2top.ru/?voteme=373 |
| 00:03.14 | golab | lol, ok |
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| 00:03.26 | unstable | golab: What are you trying to do? golab, and can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 00:03.49 | foo | I am trying to install my own kernel I made the debian way a while back, and I am getting this error - Could not find mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird. at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 236, <STDIN> line 9. |
| 00:03.54 | foo | Done. |
| 00:03.56 | foo | Any ideas? |
| 00:04.47 | kyzma | I from Russia vote I belittle http://l2top.ru/?voteme=373 |
| 00:05.06 | foo | !ops |
| 00:05.06 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 00:05.13 | foo | !ops kyzma is spamming. |
| 00:05.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kyzma is spamming. |
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| 00:05.21 | foo | kyzma: Be prepared to be burned. |
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| 00:05.55 | xtest | !unstable, looks like you're right. I will need to install mysql 4. |
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| 00:06.47 | foo | mentor: Thank you |
| 00:06.57 | mentor | np |
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| 00:08.58 | laludelala | Hallo! |
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| 00:09.34 | foo | Any ideas on my problem? Man this is weird. |
| 00:09.38 | laludelala | How can I throttle the CPU (P4-M) automatically depending on the usage? |
| 00:09.45 | mcg | For those who care about the DPL election: Anthony won! |
| 00:10.33 | a000a__ | in bash it's possible to use read for read a $var ? |
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| 00:11.34 | tavancini | hi |
| 00:11.46 | a000a__ | hi tavancini |
| 00:11.54 | tavancini | i use debian unstable and i am trying to install the svn binding to ruby |
| 00:12.10 | tavancini | i didi a apt-get source subversion |
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| 00:12.46 | tavancini | ok, and then i installed some dependencies for compile it |
| 00:13.02 | tavancini | and made the commands as described here: |
| 00:13.02 | tavancini | http://collaboa.org/docs/svnbindings/install |
| 00:13.14 | tavancini | and i am getting some errors, could anyone help me? |
| 00:14.24 | tavancini | i am getting the following error: |
| 00:14.25 | tavancini | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/root/subversion-1.3.1/apr-util/libaprutil-0.la' |
| 00:14.25 | tavancini | make: *** [subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la] Error 1 |
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| 00:16.09 | tavancini | no one can help me? |
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| 00:16.23 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hey all I am wondering if I can install and run debian without dma? |
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| 00:16.46 | lith | Anyone know why my FTP server is slower than crap! but http/ssl(telnet) Is fine? |
| 00:16.49 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: you need to turn it off? hdparm |
| 00:16.59 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: I presume you mean disk dma |
| 00:17.08 | Gokee2_Laptop | ya hard disk dma |
| 00:17.18 | tavancini | bahhh |
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| 00:17.30 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: hdparm -d0 /dev/hda ... something like that ^^ |
| 00:17.39 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, can I turn in off when I start installing? Or does it install without dma anyway? |
| 00:18.11 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: you need to install without it? have you tried the 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:18.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, my dma is broke |
| 00:18.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | hardware broke |
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| 00:18.43 | brotherJohn1234 | add 'nodma' at bootprompt ( hit f2,f3,f4 which explains more ) |
| 00:19.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | brotherJohn1234, ah ok thanks |
| 00:19.13 | aster1sK | How do I enable PG UP and PG DW to search in my history, as I type? |
| 00:19.26 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: do you mean broken as in shit hardware or broken as in "ah crap, I broke it" ? ^^ |
| 00:19.34 | aster1sK | E.g. "vim /etc/ini<PG UP>" -> "vim /etc/init.d/alsasound" |
| 00:19.44 | moshii | vmware seems to have killed one of my laptops usb ports :( |
| 00:19.52 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, as in the capasters on the motherboard failed and dma is gone |
| 00:19.58 | aster1sK | Since /etc/init.d/alsasound was the last file I edited with vim in /etc/ini* |
| 00:20.13 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: ah, that's a shame. Soldering iron time then |
| 00:20.22 | Gokee2_Laptop | I bought a new one but I don`t want to take it out of the case for my speach |
| 00:20.49 | Gokee2_Laptop | I am going to asimble a computer in 5 minutes and boot it up in debian :) |
| 00:21.08 | Gokee2_Laptop | If you have any tips of speeding up bootup that would be nice too :) |
| 00:21.16 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: initng |
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| 00:21.18 | aimaz | i want to set up a repository http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html says i need orig.tar.gz and such, but I am not sure how these files are made, is there another guide somewhere that says? |
| 00:21.23 | tkup | hmm I wonder what's the future for sys admins is... anybody who has a perspective on this? |
| 00:21.46 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: about 2 seconds to KDM here with initng |
| 00:22.11 | aimaz | orig.gz sorry |
| 00:22.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, really? how do I "initng"? |
| 00:22.16 | unstable | !offtopic |
| 00:22.20 | brotherJohn1234 | tkup: the future is change - that's for sure :-) |
| 00:22.30 | aster1sK | I am using bash 2.05a |
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| 00:23.08 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: install initng and pass init=/sbin/initng to the kernel |
| 00:23.42 | tkup | brotherJohn1234, do you mean the future is *changing* or do you mean bail out? :) |
| 00:23.45 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: it's only in testing/unstable I think though |
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| 00:24.24 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, ok |
| 00:24.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | thanks |
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| 00:25.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | damn I don`t have any cpu past |
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| 00:26.00 | moshii | you only need paste if your sink isn't flat |
| 00:26.27 | moshii | it's better to have sink that is flush with the core than slapping paste in there |
| 00:26.32 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, eh? I have always put in in.... and heat sinks always come with it |
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| 00:27.28 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: core -> heat paste -> sink is slower than core -> sink .. you only need paste if it would go core -> air -> sink instead ;) |
| 00:27.42 | Cairath | hi all |
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| 00:27.58 | moshii | it takes a lot of heat to kill a cpu, ever touched a running 040? |
| 00:28.15 | moshii | that's one hot piece of cpu :) |
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| 00:28.25 | Gokee2_Laptop | 040? no |
| 00:28.41 | moshii | 68040.. a very fine vintage of cpu |
| 00:29.08 | Cairath | anyone in here who might help with a apache problem? |
| 00:29.11 | moshii | takes you skin off if you touch it though |
| 00:29.27 | Gokee2_Laptop | haha |
| 00:29.39 | hstl | what should be in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:29.40 | Gokee2_Laptop | odd |
| 00:29.47 | morbius | I'm trying to instal 3.1 on a computer w/serial ata devices (cd-rom/hdd), does this not work? everytime i do the load of the setup it hits 81% (ide-detect) and then stops |
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| 00:30.00 | moshii | morbius: mine works :) |
| 00:30.21 | morbius | hmm |
| 00:30.34 | morbius | wonder what else could be causing it then |
| 00:30.39 | moshii | morbius: maybe you should switch to the spare terminal ctrl-alt-f2 i think and run dmesg |
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| 00:30.53 | morbius | k |
| 00:31.10 | morbius | doesnt help thats its been _awhile_ since I've ran linux |
| 00:31.40 | moshii | morbius: your bios might be able to force some sort of ide legacy mode too |
| 00:31.52 | Cairath | i can reach my apache2 within my LAN (testsite is running) but can reach it from Internet (router is set up correct) |
| 00:31.59 | morbius | I looked into that, I couldn't find the option to change that |
| 00:32.16 | moshii | Cairath: install tcpdump and watch what happens when you try to connect |
| 00:32.35 | moshii | Cairath: if there's nothing there you need to reconfigure your router |
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| 00:32.42 | morbius | moshii, ctrl + alt + f2 didn't do anything |
| 00:32.45 | morbius | I am on the first part of the install |
| 00:32.54 | morbius | Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives |
| 00:33.18 | pawdro | how to check which config files dosemu uses? |
| 00:33.21 | moshii | morbius: hmm maybe f3 then? |
| 00:33.27 | morbius | notta |
| 00:33.32 | unstable | pawdro: dpkg -L dosemu |
| 00:33.43 | unstable | !tell morbius about enter |
| 00:33.55 | moshii | morbius: you are using the 2.6 kernel aren't you? |
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| 00:34.21 | aeronadix | Anyway wicked crazy hackers around/ |
| 00:34.57 | unstable | !tell aeronadix about ask |
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| 00:35.15 | aeronadix | my bad |
| 00:35.44 | morbius | I'm using the 3.1r1 sarge install, and I am just hitting 'Enter' when it comes up with the Debian boot screen |
| 00:36.20 | moshii | morbius: I haven't installed 3.1 for a while, but I think the default is to use a 2.4 kernel.. for sata you really need a 2.6 one |
| 00:37.01 | Cairath | 3.1 sarge don't support sata (set it up 4 h ago :) |
| 00:37.01 | morbius | hmm, can't i use a boot param? |
| 00:37.13 | moshii | Cairath: worked fine here |
| 00:37.34 | Cairath | it didnt liked my SATA Raptor |
| 00:37.48 | moshii | morbius: you might want to try a d-i snapshot, you need to run testing to get SMART etc anyhow |
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| 00:38.38 | morbius | where did you use for 2.6? |
| 00:38.38 | moshii | Cairath: my machine has some old shitty sata chipset, it seems to just work. need to turn off all the other drives in the bios to get it to boot from sata though |
| 00:39.39 | Cairath | cant see anything wrong with tcpdump :/ |
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| 00:39.54 | moshii | morbius: I think you need to type linux2.6 at the boot prompt |
| 00:40.26 | moshii | Cairath: you can connect to your server then, you should see all the connections coming in etc |
| 00:40.47 | magyar_ | hi guys, how can i download kernel-headers to the system through apt or dpkg? |
| 00:40.56 | moshii | morbius: with recent hardware a d-i snapshot is the best bet in my opinion |
| 00:41.09 | moshii | magyar_: linux-headers packages |
| 00:41.21 | moshii | magyar_: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 00:41.26 | Cairath | i see some server from my provider contacts the machine, but i notting "strange" |
| 00:41.34 | magyar_ | moshii i am on sarge |
| 00:41.37 | Cairath | DNS is hostet by my provider |
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| 00:41.54 | magyar_ | moshii if i go to the pool i get the old version |
| 00:42.12 | moshii | Cairath: when you try to connect to apache you should see lots of activity |
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| 00:42.44 | magyar_ | moshii how can i download the 2.6.8-3 headers? |
| 00:43.01 | moshii | magyar_: what dist are you running? |
| 00:43.18 | magyar_ | moshii debian sarge |
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| 00:43.41 | magyar_ | i am kind of fscked, all i have is console |
| 00:44.30 | moshii | ah, it's still kernel-headers in sarge .. apt-cache searc kernel-headers |
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| 00:44.52 | unity | does anyone know if anything bad will happen if i step syslogd? aside from not logging system-level stuff |
| 00:45.30 | deepspace | Nowak, you can stop it. |
| 00:45.32 | deepspace | er, |
| 00:45.35 | deepspace | no--you can stop it |
| 00:46.07 | Nowak | lol :P |
| 00:46.16 | deepspace | Stupid nick auto-complete, sorry Nowak :) |
| 00:48.20 | unstable | unity: Only one way to find out. |
| 00:48.53 | unstable | !tell magyar about apt-cache |
| 00:49.07 | unity | unstable: lol ok i'm stopping it now |
| 00:49.34 | unstable | magyar: ie "apt-cache search kernel-headers" |
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| 00:51.02 | adna | Best entries in sources.list for etch and sid? |
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| 00:51.49 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, initng is only in .experimental.. :0 how do I get into experimental? Just add it in my sources list instead of unstable? |
| 00:52.11 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: you add experimental as a source |
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| 00:52.42 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: I didn't realise it was still in there... |
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| 00:53.34 | unstable | adna: What do you mean "etch and sid"? |
| 00:54.01 | moshii | adna: Do you mean running etch with bits of sid pinned in? |
| 00:54.02 | adna | names for ""testing" and "unstable" |
| 00:54.07 | unity | !etch |
| 00:54.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
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| 00:54.15 | unstable | !sid |
| 00:54.15 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 00:54.28 | Gokee2_Laptop | experimental I don`t really want to have a experimental computer |
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| 00:55.10 | adna | does "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" work? |
| 00:55.27 | adna | as a line in sources.list? |
| 00:55.33 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: heh, I run xorg7 from experimental, good fun |
| 00:55.55 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, hmmm |
| 00:56.04 | Gokee2_Laptop | my xorg from unstable is broke |
| 00:56.17 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: If you can rebuild packages if stuff doesn't work, like I rebuilt the nvidia-glx stuff for x.o 7, it's good fun |
| 00:56.39 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmmm |
| 00:56.55 | Gokee2_Laptop | I need nvidia-glx-old |
| 00:56.58 | adna | dpkg: What's the best source for "testing"? |
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| 00:57.31 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: the legacy one? |
| 00:57.43 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, ya thats it |
| 00:57.47 | moshii | Gokee2_Laptop: if you can just go out and get a new card, pretty cheap |
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| 00:58.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | moshii, that costs $$$ |
| 00:58.33 | moshii | I have the FX5700LE, about a tenner in the uk now |
| 00:58.34 | DarkCow | I've managed to trash my apache config files. Can I get the default/original ones back with dpkg or apt? |
| 00:58.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | I like to pay free |
| 00:58.36 | Gokee2_Laptop | :) |
| 00:58.46 | moshii | ebay one for 99p or something |
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| 01:01.35 | mhall | What can one do to use the Xgl server in sid + experimental? I'm having some graphics performance problems I think it might resolve. |
| 01:01.37 | DarkCow | I mean, surely the config files are part of the packages, so why don't they get re-installed when I remove and install a package? |
| 01:01.52 | adna | Best entry in sources.list for "testing"? |
| 01:02.00 | mhall | DarkCow: they are a special kind of part of a package |
| 01:02.09 | maxb | DarkCow: Because dpkg is being careful to maintain your config 'customizations' |
| 01:02.15 | mhall | DarkCow: they stay around unless explicitly purged to avoid deleting your custom settings |
| 01:02.29 | DarkCow | so how do I explicitly purge them? |
| 01:02.39 | maxb | dpkg --purge |
| 01:02.43 | mhall | DarkCow: dpkg --get-selections | egrep 'deinstall$' | less will show packages in this state |
| 01:02.57 | mhall | DarkCow: dpkg --purge or apt-get remove --purge may be used to initiate cleanup |
| 01:03.10 | mhall | DarkCow: if you feel safe automating it then here's another choice |
| 01:03.30 | mhall | DarkCow: dpkg --get-selections | egrep 'deinstall$' | awk '{ print $1; }' | xargs apt-get remove --purge |
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| 01:03.56 | mhall | adna: what is your location |
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| 01:04.13 | adna | boston. |
| 01:04.22 | maxb | Overkill, rather? DarkCow is asking about apache, specifically, not the entire system |
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| 01:05.06 | mhall | adna: i have good luck with mirrors2.kernel.org |
| 01:05.23 | mhall | adna: deb http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 01:05.31 | mhall | adna: except yours would say etch |
| 01:05.32 | adna | Thanks, mhall! |
| 01:05.47 | mhall | adna: i can download 4 megabytes per second from it using fiber optic internet |
| 01:05.48 | ice_1963 | hello is there a text base browser that's better then lynx? |
| 01:06.04 | mhall | ice_1963: perhaps, links, links2, elinks |
| 01:06.09 | DarkCow | so mhall, I've purged apache2, but when I apt-get install, the config files don't come back |
| 01:06.15 | m1ke_l | link2? |
| 01:06.17 | adna | mhall: awesome. |
| 01:06.30 | mhall | ice_1963: apt-cache search browser | grep -i text |
| 01:06.37 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 01:06.41 | mhall | DarkCow: they should be in /etc/apache2 |
| 01:06.55 | ice_1963 | t/u |
| 01:06.56 | DarkCow | they arent :( |
| 01:07.08 | mhall | DarkCow: ok i know why now |
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| 01:07.53 | DarkCow | why? |
| 01:07.55 | mhall | DarkCow: apache2-common, apache2-mpm-prefork (or whichever you have), etc. need the same treatment |
| 01:08.08 | DarkCow | all of them? |
| 01:08.09 | mhall | DarkCow: apache2 is modular, different modules are responsible for certain files |
| 01:08.21 | mhall | DarkCow: dpkg --get-selections | grep -i apache should get you started |
| 01:08.40 | DarkCow | thanks |
| 01:08.54 | mhall | DarkCow: you can use apt-file or packages.debian.org to figure out a little more specifically |
| 01:09.06 | mhall | DarkCow: but if you have broadband apache is so small it is not worth the trouble |
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| 01:09.27 | mhall | DarkCow: by the time you do it you could have purged and apt-get install --reinstall'ed everything anyway |
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| 01:10.13 | mhall | part of being a good package manager is knowing when to go to the trouble of micromanagement and when not |
| 01:10.30 | mhall | in this case the brute force hack of a total apache reinstall is really probably the better decision |
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| 01:11.53 | rightcoast | what is the best way to upload my whole home dir to a server? rsync -az -e ssh ~ 192.168.1.103:~ ? |
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| 01:13.13 | rightcoast | i mean if it was a dir i would use rsync -az -e ssh --delete ~/ebooks 192.168.1.103:~/ebooks or something but how about the whole thing? |
| 01:13.39 | Stevie | 192.168.1.103:. |
| 01:14.06 | rightcoast | ahh yeah the current dir |
| 01:14.16 | Stevie | which is your homedir |
| 01:14.35 | rightcoast | thx man |
| 01:14.48 | Stevie | (it's how I scp individual files) |
| 01:14.48 | DarkCow | for i in `dpkg --get-selections | grep -i apache|awk '{print $1}'`;do apt-get remove $i;apt-get purge $i;apt-get install $i;done |
| 01:15.05 | Stevie | DarkCow: why do that? |
| 01:15.16 | rightcoast | so rsync -az -e ssh ~ 192.168.1.103:. ought to do the trick ehh? |
| 01:15.20 | Stevie | oughta |
| 01:15.28 | rightcoast | thx again |
| 01:15.46 | DarkCow | Stevie, to fix my problem |
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| 01:17.13 | Stevie | why not just use the 'reinstall' option |
| 01:17.25 | unstable | mhall: you're back! |
| 01:17.29 | Stevie | rofl |
| 01:17.32 | unstable | mhall: Now you need to fix mhallsmite |
| 01:17.42 | Stevie | the maintainer for the xterm package is 'Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force' |
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| 01:17.52 | Stevie | which sounds like a power rangers variation |
| 01:17.59 | Stevie | "New! Power Rangers X Strike Force" |
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| 01:20.51 | mhall | Stevie: it doesn't work to just use reinstall |
| 01:21.07 | mhall | Stevie: because the config files must be purged if you delete or damage them |
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| 01:21.36 | mhall | Stevie: reinstallation doesn't do enough when these have been damaged because dpkg assumes you intended to customize them and leaves them alone |
| 01:21.55 | mhall | Stevie: hence DarkCow's iteration of my suggested kludge commands |
| 01:22.06 | mhall | DarkCow: that was a beautiful command you assembled by the way |
| 01:22.12 | mhall | DarkCow: strong shell one-liner work |
| 01:22.21 | DarkCow | :) |
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| 01:22.37 | mhall | DarkCow: one thing to simplify though |
| 01:22.39 | Stevie | yeah, that was an excellent oneliner |
| 01:22.43 | Stevie | xargs? |
| 01:22.46 | mhall | DarkCow: you can do apt-get remove --purge |
| 01:22.52 | DarkCow | okay |
| 01:22.57 | Stevie | ah |
| 01:22.59 | DarkCow | I'm fairly new to apt |
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| 01:23.04 | mhall | Stevie: yeah i used that in my version, but the shell loop is also appropriate |
| 01:23.17 | mhall | DarkCow: at this point it was a semantic heckle just to give you a hard time =) |
| 01:23.22 | DarkCow | I've only been using debian properly for a few hours |
| 01:23.36 | DarkCow | came from Suse |
| 01:23.39 | mhall | DarkCow: with shell skills like that you'll turn out fine |
| 01:23.51 | moshii | DarkCow: use aptitude |
| 01:23.57 | mhall | moshii: it's slow |
| 01:24.05 | moshii | mhall: but safe |
| 01:24.19 | mhall | moshii: lol apt-get's been safe for years |
| 01:24.24 | moshii | mhall: you don't have to use the curses interface either |
| 01:24.25 | mhall | moshii: it's dpkg which is unsafe |
| 01:24.36 | mhall | moshii: the CLI is still way slower than apt-get |
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| 01:25.25 | moshii | mhall: yeah, but it you install a bunch of crap and decide you don't want it .. i.e. a newbie install .. it makes sure stuff comes back out again |
| 01:25.38 | moshii | kaffeine is pretty poor |
| 01:25.47 | mhall | moshii: that's true-- i suspect there's a lot of cruft on my machine |
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| 01:25.56 | mhall | (Reading database ... 140983 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 01:26.03 | moshii | I changed from Japanese to English in kde months ago and it hasn't caught on yet |
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| 01:26.04 | Luck_XP | how do i install GTK+ ? |
| 01:26.06 | mhall | 140,000 files and counting :) |
| 01:26.19 | simonrvn | my sid boxen are at ~200K |
| 01:26.28 | mhall | simonrvn: woohoo it's simonrvn |
| 01:26.34 | simonrvn | hi dude |
| 01:26.58 | moshii | Stevie: ssh -X box app |
| 01:27.28 | mhall | simonrvn: you have lots installed my friend |
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| 01:27.49 | mhall | i wish deborphan were a bit smarter |
| 01:28.02 | myren | taht would be sweet |
| 01:28.38 | moshii | mhall: that's called aptitude ;) |
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| 01:29.12 | mhall | moshii: yeah but it's *SO* slow |
| 01:29.17 | moshii | new poeple that might install gnome and then switch to kde and big things like that should use aptitude anyhow |
| 01:29.30 | mhall | not to mention it installs a lot of bloat libraries i do not want |
| 01:29.35 | wmhtet | dff: apt-get install GTK+ ? |
| 01:29.39 | moshii | mhall: hmm I don't find it that bad, and I'm used to slow machines |
| 01:29.46 | unstable | !tell wmhtet about apt-cache |
| 01:29.50 | mhall | mine's 2.5 ghz celeron |
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| 01:29.55 | unstable | wmhtet: apt-cache search libgtk+ |
| 01:29.59 | mhall | with GB RAM, all XFS, 7200 disks |
| 01:30.05 | mhall | and fiber optic internet |
| 01:30.09 | mhall | not exactly a craputer |
| 01:30.10 | jsan | my friends , is ubuntu good to use in server solutions ? |
| 01:30.11 | moshii | mhall: this one is a 50mhz sparc |
| 01:30.23 | moshii | mhall: 10mbit cable though :) |
| 01:30.27 | mhall | jsan: oof, this is not a good forum for such questions |
| 01:30.41 | jsan | thanks mhail |
| 01:30.41 | unstable | jsan: I don't think so, ubuntu is usually for desktops. |
| 01:30.54 | unstable | jsan: You _could_ use it for a server, but imho it wouldn't be as stable as sarge. |
| 01:30.58 | jsan | thanks unstalbe |
| 01:30.59 | stoned | moshii, kde is not bloatware. If you can get the ALL THE DESKTOP functionality of kde, ease of use, and configurability without modifying tons of config files, in any other wm let me know. KDE is not bloat because its bloat is justified, since it does so many things. Of coruse you cannot implement features without coding, duh |
| 01:31.01 | mhall | moshii: yeah i did have an ultra 10 in production until somebody tripped over the power cord and fried the boot drive circuit board |
| 01:31.13 | moshii | stoned: I use kde |
| 01:31.21 | resiak | !start a dm war |
| 01:31.21 | dpkg | startx rocks! |
| 01:31.25 | stoned | moshii, after 10 years, I decided, I like too |
| 01:31.29 | mhall | stoned: chill --> 18:29 < mhall> not to mention it installs a lot of bloat libraries i do not want |
| 01:31.30 | moshii | stoned: stepped in poo there mate |
| 01:31.31 | unstable | Ubuntu has silly names for their releases also, "Breezy Badger" sounds like douche kit brand name they sell in womens' stores. |
| 01:31.42 | swbrown | KDE is bloated because of how GCC sucks at C++. You'll need to do a lot of work to add in the fixes that gcc 4.0-4.1 allows. |
| 01:31.45 | gnu2it2 | where do you disable ipv6 networking? |
| 01:31.49 | unstable | Not to mention, Ubuntu keeps your root password in a plain text system readable file. |
| 01:31.50 | mhall | unstable: please, no soapboxing |
| 01:31.52 | stoned | I am just saying, nohting is better or worse, its just a matter of preference, use what you want, donn't listen to peole saying what is good or bad for you, YOU are the only one who can decide that |
| 01:32.00 | a000a__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.09 | stoned | I hate this bloat bandwagon everyone gets and tried to diss on gnnom or kde |
| 01:32.11 | unstable | !tell gnu2it2 about ipv6 |
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| 01:32.21 | unstable | !start a window manager war |
| 01:32.22 | dpkg | blackbox blows goats! |
| 01:32.22 | stoned | its stupid and it goes to ridiculous legnths |
| 01:32.24 | jsan | unstalbe i have a dificult when i use sarge and i need to use the new version a package, in debian the packages are not more recently. |
| 01:32.26 | mhall | unstable: please, no soapboxing |
| 01:32.39 | moshii | stoned: I wasn't saying X or Y is better ... I was saying if you go from a mainly GTK system to QT one aptitude will clean up lots of junk |
| 01:32.48 | myren | is there any way to prioritize IO? |
| 01:32.59 | moshii | stoned: which makes it good for people that haven't deciced what sort of system they want to run yet |
| 01:33.01 | swbrown | stoned: It's not a bandwagon, gcc before 4.0 was dumping massive gobs of symbols into files, exposing everything. As a result, it takes a long time for ld to get a file into runnable state, and you wind up with huge PLT segments and such. |
| 01:33.02 | myren | dist-upgrades totally axe responsivenes. :/ |
| 01:33.12 | mhall | myren: 2.6 kernel has new IO scheduler modules to choose |
| 01:33.15 | stoned | moshii, I know that, I ws just chiming in with my two cents.. its not a dm war, just that i dislike when people get on a bandwagon and just go off on it without fully understandin it |
| 01:33.26 | mhall | myren: but they prioritize I/O at the systemwide level |
| 01:33.26 | moshii | stoned: those that bitch kde haven't seen the cool swishy effects |
| 01:33.31 | myren | mhall: they all want to be fair though, and i dont want to be fair |
| 01:33.38 | stoned | moshii, eyecandy is useless, I like the features of kde |
| 01:33.42 | mhall | myren: the trick is, you can't microprioritize I/O or you get priority inversion |
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| 01:33.58 | mhall | myren: where writes and reads have dependencies, and a low-priority process blocks high priority ones |
| 01:34.07 | moshii | stoned: ah, well in my opinion gnome makes my computer feel like it's from the 80's, hence I use kde |
| 01:34.15 | mhall | myren: it's kind of like the shit that can happen with threads except worse cause it messes the whole box up |
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| 01:34.30 | stoned | moshii, whatever works for you, go with it |
| 01:34.54 | moshii | stoned: choice is what debian is about after all ;) |
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| 01:35.00 | stoned | moshii, indeed |
| 01:35.04 | myren | what is the "nice" kill signal that kill [pid] issues |
| 01:35.08 | boogie | hah and then kde makes you feel like you installed a fischer-price desktop environment. |
| 01:35.08 | myren | v. kill -9 or -15 |
| 01:35.14 | stoned | myren, man kill |
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| 01:35.45 | myren | alright, man page finished rendering... |
| 01:35.47 | myren | frakking apt |
| 01:35.56 | moshii | boogie: hmm the plastic setup I have works pretty well, taskbar at the bottom, other crap at the top |
| 01:35.57 | stoned | boogie, if it makes you feel like that, then I feel sorry for ya |
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| 01:36.24 | simonrvn | one of them is an old potato machine too ;) |
| 01:36.35 | stoned | oooh, damn simonrvn you're a grandpa |
| 01:36.36 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:36.54 | stoned | potato man, heh |
| 01:37.03 | mhall | bogusano: that statement is not particularly accurate |
| 01:37.06 | magyar | bleh |
| 01:37.06 | mhall | damnit |
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| 01:37.31 | myren | hmm, thats much nicer, just a little nicing |
| 01:37.50 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 01:38.17 | magyar | any security issues running etch as a server? |
| 01:38.32 | moshii | magyar: watch out for the midgets |
| 01:38.35 | stoned | don't run testing as s server man, thats not cool |
| 01:38.41 | pingu | Can anyone point me to some good documentation on patching an existing debian package? All I can find seem to be on rolling binary packages. |
| 01:38.42 | swbrown | It's not supported by debian security afik, so yes. |
| 01:38.55 | moshii | pingu: what do you want to do? |
| 01:39.03 | hslt_ | hey anyone know why i get this problem everytime i load my this theme: gtk-theme-switch: Sorry, "/home/user123/theme-metacity-1.3.tar.gz" does not appear to be a valid theme directory or tarball! |
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| 01:39.14 | moshii | pingu: small patches = apt-get source package, patch, debuild |
| 01:39.16 | hslt_ | using gtk-theme-switch |
| 01:39.32 | swbrown | pingu: apt-get build-dep (program); apt-get source (package); edit it; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 01:39.35 | magyar | moshii: am this close to update drom sarge to etch |
| 01:39.36 | resiak | !testing security |
| 01:39.36 | dpkg | it has been said that testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 01:39.39 | simonrvn | !testing security |
| 01:39.43 | simonrvn | oh, nm |
| 01:39.43 | moshii | swbrown: the DSA list supports testing and unstable |
| 01:39.45 | swbrown | Err, and add a dch -i in there too.. |
| 01:39.46 | travisat | hslt_: its not a valid theme or tarball |
| 01:39.47 | resiak | I win ;) |
| 01:39.51 | hslt_ | it is |
| 01:39.53 | pingu | Aah. |
| 01:39.56 | pingu | I've gotten the package |
| 01:39.58 | hslt_ | as you can see the filename |
| 01:40.00 | pingu | dpkg-source -x'd it. |
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| 01:40.10 | travisat | hslt_: that just says its a tarball |
| 01:40.19 | simonrvn | i was balancing an italian poutine on my thigh ;) |
| 01:40.22 | pingu | So to put it back together after I edit it... |
| 01:40.24 | hslt_ | but it is, coz i got it from sourceforge site |
| 01:40.27 | resiak | O RLY |
| 01:40.38 | thingfish | poutine? simonrvn |
| 01:40.52 | pingu | dpkg-buildpackage will diff everything for me? |
| 01:40.56 | thingfish | that sounds like maybe a sausage, or a pudding. |
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| 01:41.14 | magyar | resiak: fix the link in !security |
| 01:41.16 | swbrown | pingu: Yep, do it as I said, but do "dch -i" before doing the dpkg-buildpackage so it bumps the version. |
| 01:41.17 | travisat | hslt_: it probably wasn't packed correctly, ie extra higher level |
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| 01:41.27 | resiak | magyar: Why me? I have exactly no idea what's wrong with it |
| 01:41.35 | pingu | Sure, thanks swbrown :) |
| 01:41.56 | mhall | thingfish: 'lo |
| 01:41.59 | magyar | resiak: the commas in the link "page not found" |
| 01:42.06 | thingfish | hi mhall |
| 01:42.06 | hslt_ | lol travisat |
| 01:42.14 | hslt_ | i got this tarball working yesterday |
| 01:42.19 | hslt_ | i just reinstalled debian |
| 01:42.20 | pingu | Is dch that script which adds changelongs and such for me too? |
| 01:42.21 | resiak | magyar: The commas are after the links... |
| 01:42.39 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.40 | dpkg | somebody said testing security was Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/, ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 01:42.49 | simonrvn | um, wtf would you think the comma was part of the URI? |
| 01:42.52 | swbrown | pingu: Yeah, it adds a template changelog for you. The most recent entry is what the package building tools will be using for the package version/revision. |
| 01:42.54 | stoned | lol |
| 01:43.02 | resiak | magyar: It's not my fault that Konversation is too stupid to realise that the commas aren't part of the URL. double-clicking the URL in urxvt selects the correct part and no more |
| 01:43.06 | pingu | That's rather nice, thanks again. |
| 01:43.12 | stoned | oh my god resiak |
| 01:43.14 | magyar | eheheh |
| 01:43.24 | resiak | !testing security =~ s|/,|/ ,|g |
| 01:43.24 | magyar | compatibily issues |
| 01:43.27 | resiak | !testing security =~ s|/,|/ ,| |
| 01:43.29 | stoned | resiak, hey bro, long time no see, how are you! |
| 01:43.32 | resiak | dpkg: you suck |
| 01:43.32 | dpkg | Dream on, resiak. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 01:43.39 | magyar | what happend to lsb? |
| 01:43.39 | resiak | Hey stoned :) |
| 01:43.50 | resiak | !testing security =~ s!/,!/ ,!g |
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| 01:44.43 | stoned | resiak, have you seen Usual Suspects. Mr. Soze's name is spelled Keyser, and suppossedly its turkish. Spelling are just semantics, but I just wanted to know the proper spelling of Kaiser/Keyeser (persian king right) "Caiser" |
| 01:44.53 | simonrvn | try dpkg: testing security |
| 01:45.00 | resiak | dpkg: testing security =~ s!/,!/ ,!g |
| 01:45.06 | thingfish | kaiser = caesar |
| 01:45.14 | thingfish | = tsart |
| 01:45.14 | resiak | dpkg: testing security =~ s/\/,/\/ ,/ |
| 01:45.14 | travisat | dpkg, testing security =~ s/\,/\,/g |
| 01:45.14 | dpkg | travisat: that doesn't contain '\,' |
| 01:45.15 | mhall | resiak: additionally konsole behaves properly here and even better lets you pick which chars terminate a wordselect |
| 01:45.21 | thingfish | *tsar |
| 01:45.36 | resiak | dpkg: testing security =~ s#/,#/ ,#g |
| 01:45.36 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 01:45.36 | travisat | dpkg, testing security =~ s/,/,/g |
| 01:45.36 | dpkg | travisat: OK |
| 01:45.45 | travisat | uhoh |
| 01:45.51 | travisat | !testing security |
| 01:45.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing security is Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/ , but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ , ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 01:45.55 | stoned | thingfish, yes I knew that but afaik its Caiser in persian, of corse stemming from Ceaser. So thats cool, now I know, its been buggin me like crazy |
| 01:45.56 | resiak | travisat: you performed the identity operation on it. |
| 01:46.00 | mhall | thingfish: the funniest such moment was when somebody got mad at resiak's bot raseac, and did '/me kills raseac.' |
| 01:46.09 | stoned | Ig uess spelling don't matter |
| 01:46.10 | resiak | magyar: See, now that just looks silly. |
| 01:46.16 | mhall | thingfish: then i said 'Et tu, èturB?' |
| 01:46.23 | magyar | -_- |
| 01:46.28 | pingouin | how to use the * character with mkisofs to point all *.avi to be burned from a directory ? |
| 01:46.28 | mhall | thingfish: he says wtf a backwards Brutè |
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| 01:46.39 | mhall | thingfish: and i was like, you killed raseac you doofus |
| 01:46.46 | thingfish | stoned: there is undoubtedly an indo-european or proto-indo-european root in there somewhere. |
| 01:46.47 | mhall | thingfish: he replies LOL ... |
| 01:46.53 | js_ | resiak: why did you change the factoid? it was correct |
| 01:47.17 | resiak | js_: because magyar was crying that the , looked like part of the URLs, which they did not, but what the hell. |
| 01:47.41 | thingfish | probably something like k*s*r |
| 01:47.49 | stoned | thingfish, word mate, thanks |
| 01:48.08 | stoned | Keyser Soze heh, I need to get that movie again |
| 01:48.09 | pingouin | f*cking escape characters |
| 01:48.37 | moshii | stoned: are you like a homie or something? ^^ |
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| 01:48.49 | stoned | moshii, excuse me? |
| 01:48.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:49.10 | moshii | stoned: you speak like the DnB people I know |
| 01:49.22 | thingfish | maybe he doesn't understand what a homey is. |
| 01:49.27 | moshii | stoned: I'm expecting brov and sage any moment |
| 01:49.34 | mhall | thingfish: i take it you didn't get much out of my anecdote |
| 01:49.36 | moshii | s/sage/safe/ |
| 01:50.00 | thingfish | hehe mhall I am entirely too fucked up right now to get much of anything. |
| 01:50.05 | mhall | thingfish: on what? |
| 01:50.08 | resiak | fish. |
| 01:50.30 | nick|here | anybody knows a guide for bootsplash?(works) |
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| 01:50.38 | thingfish | all I know is that damn pizza better get here quick. |
| 01:50.39 | moshii | nick|here: why do you want that? |
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| 01:50.56 | moshii | nick|here: debian too pimp already. |
| 01:50.57 | stoned | no sir, I am not homie, black, negro, new age, gangsta. I like to say 'word', as in 'werd' or whatever, and I am half scottish, so the europeon/brit dialect a bit, but no, not a homie mate |
| 01:51.11 | mhall | thingfish: what did you drink / smoke ? |
| 01:51.16 | resiak | fish. |
| 01:51.18 | nick|here | moshii: huh? |
| 01:51.20 | stoned | mhall, ask me that I give you a long list ;) |
| 01:51.23 | stoned | hehehe |
| 01:51.25 | moshii | stoned: ah, another brit :) |
| 01:51.26 | resiak | you can drink fish, and smoke fish. |
| 01:51.37 | mhall | stoned: in your case the nickname makes it obvious |
| 01:51.44 | stoned | hehe doesn't it though |
| 01:52.06 | thingfish | mhall: just a little vodka and coca cola. |
| 01:52.17 | moshii | stoned: all the DnB and Tech people speak like that in the UK, mainly because they're on ket |
| 01:52.20 | stoned | ugh, no dude, you don't miss vodka with carbonated sodas? |
| 01:52.25 | stoned | -?+! |
| 01:52.28 | stoned | mix* |
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| 01:52.59 | stoned | moshii, I love uk two step garabe hiphop like The streests, or the Mitchell brothers, maybe that how I picked up ont he 'word' |
| 01:53.01 | thingfish | sorry, stoned, us poor people gots to make do with whats we gots. |
| 01:53.05 | simonrvn | fish |
| 01:53.05 | mhall | thingfish: what brand of vodka do you roll with |
| 01:53.20 | stoned | thingfish, hehe, im just pullin yer leg mate. Sorry |
| 01:53.27 | mhall | thingfish: i usually go for jim beam or maker's mark with coca cola myself |
| 01:53.34 | mhall | thingfish: or vodka with ginger ale |
| 01:53.34 | moshii | stoned: the streets? they're ok.. bit chav though |
| 01:53.48 | moshii | stoned: chav is the UK crew shinitz |
| 01:53.48 | thingfish | mhall: tonight (pre-paycheck) it's mccormick (local distillery). |
| 01:53.50 | travisat | johnny walker is the boss |
| 01:53.55 | stoned | moshii, I also dig technical death metal, classical, and classical indian Raaga |
| 01:54.03 | thingfish | mhall: yes I definitely love my bourbon. |
| 01:54.05 | mhall | thingfish: at least it is local, could be worse, like a national offbrand |
| 01:54.14 | mhall | thingfish: national offbrands will screw you over |
| 01:54.23 | moshii | stoned: ah, you want some decent breakbeat in your life |
| 01:54.24 | a000a__ | http://www.nuitduhack.com/ndh-9602N27/ aie aie aie .. big vulnerability in firefox ^^ |
| 01:54.28 | thingfish | mhall: this is a really clean vodka. |
| 01:54.43 | stoned | moshii, http://www.last.fm/user/Nyle/ |
| 01:54.58 | mhall | thingfish: good otherwise i'd worry =) |
| 01:54.59 | thingfish | breakbeat?! is that like breaks? |
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| 01:55.30 | moshii | stoned: http://www.last.fm/user/cantido |
| 01:55.32 | stoned | moshii, my favorite song right now is technical death metal from the 80's incorporating heavy latin grooves and singing, as well as the harsh and hardcore death |
| 01:55.44 | moshii | stoned: doesn't seem to count my beats though :/ |
| 01:55.47 | stoned | hey buddy, isn't last fm great :) |
| 01:56.01 | thingfish | or is breakbeat that 240 bpm stuff |
| 01:56.06 | moshii | stoned: usually use xmms for mixes, amarok is a bit slow for 200mb+ files |
| 01:56.20 | moshii | thingfish: that's goa trance |
| 01:56.26 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:56.27 | stoned | moshii, I have 700+ albums in amarok. It works perfectly on 512 ram 2.4ghz |
| 01:56.30 | thingfish | for sure |
| 01:56.31 | simonrvn | mhall: i am so glad i haven't had that kind of sick. that must really suck :( |
| 01:56.37 | stoned | and i have a sata2 drive |
| 01:56.38 | moshii | thingfish: breakbeat is like the phat beat innit |
| 01:56.46 | mhall | simonrvn: it's all mostly ok except having to touch your eye |
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| 01:56.57 | mhall | simonrvn: that part gives me the heebiejeebies |
| 01:57.00 | travisat | poke |
| 01:57.10 | moshii | stoned: I listen to sets mostly for non-rock music, amarok is a bit slow for those |
| 01:57.15 | thingfish | moshii: I like progressive, underground, breaks... |
| 01:57.23 | simonrvn | you have to blow your eye... kinda weird, but whatever works :) |
| 01:57.31 | mhall | simonrvn: yeah exactly |
| 01:57.33 | moshii | thingfish: in the US though? |
| 01:58.02 | thingfish | moshii: yes. one of about 500 people in the U.S. that listen to house. :) |
| 01:58.09 | stoned | hey, would anyone like to listen to a 3 movement sonata piece on guitar using classical indian music I made. This is extremely off topic, but if intersted in a 4 minute experince of diff kind of music, let mek now, i'll post the link to my mp3 |
| 01:58.19 | moshii | thingfish: I bet you don't get illegal raves there? shame ;) |
| 01:58.22 | mhall | brb |
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| 01:58.36 | thingfish | moshii: oh I bet we do. |
| 01:58.58 | thingfish | moshii: it's just that I don't know about them. |
| 01:58.58 | stoned | i don't ever let people in real life hear my work, cuz im shy, but this is online, if you want to hear it that would be awesome, and my grattitude for your honest opinion of it would be immense |
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| 01:59.09 | moshii | thingfish: ah, I could hook you up |
| 01:59.31 | simonrvn | i would but my slowass cpu is busy upgrading ... |
| 01:59.32 | moshii | thingfish: my mate has 30000 watts or something stupid in a van, he might know some US guys |
| 01:59.48 | daeos | wondering how to configure a wireless network card, (NETGEAR USB) what app is good to use for this? or what program would i use to get debian to detect it first of all? |
| 01:59.52 | moshii | stoned: there are plenty of places to release stuff |
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| 01:59.59 | thingfish | moshii: I don't care for rave scenes. I am too old for that. I listen to protonradio.com. |
| 02:00.23 | travisat | daeos: may I suggest google, there is no one program for wireless |
| 02:00.25 | simonrvn | thingfish: you old fart :P |
| 02:00.37 | thingfish | protonradio.com is THE place for contemporary, cutting edge house. |
| 02:00.42 | moshii | thingfish: never heard of it. bassdrive is pretty good |
| 02:00.51 | thingfish | simonrvn: I'm old and arthritic. |
| 02:01.03 | thingfish | moshii: definitely give it a listen. |
| 02:01.08 | stoned | moshii, http://bungs.dontexist.com/sad.mp3 <-- just give it a listen, oblige me please, i have to help my sister with something, I be back in a few, I hope you do listen to it, please :) |
| 02:01.09 | moshii | i'm more of breaks person than house, house people take strange drugs around here |
| 02:01.20 | moshii | stoned: will do |
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| 02:01.43 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 02:01.43 | thingfish | haha "house people take strange drugs" |
| 02:02.08 | thingfish | I don't do anything stronger than hootchie-wanna. |
| 02:02.08 | DaBlade | I just installed debian. How do I change the default login manager from gdm to kdm? |
| 02:02.24 | simonrvn | DaBlade: install kdm |
| 02:02.31 | DaBlade | simonrvn: I got KDE installed |
| 02:02.40 | simonrvn | DaBlade: if already did that do dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 02:02.44 | DaBlade | okay |
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| 02:02.46 | moshii | thingfish: ket is very big at the moment, coke is number one in the southwest .. lot's of mashed up people |
| 02:03.11 | thingfish | moshii: for me, the music is the main drug. |
| 02:03.20 | DaBlade | ok, thanks |
| 02:03.21 | thingfish | I mean, you can't get better that those beats. |
| 02:03.22 | moshii | thingfish: indeed, bass is all you need ;) |
| 02:03.25 | DaBlade | that solved it, simonrvn |
| 02:03.30 | DaBlade | Adios, amigos. :) |
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| 02:03.40 | simonrvn | me too, but for me it's pow-wow drumming and singing ;) |
| 02:03.44 | thingfish | moshii: word |
| 02:03.57 | moshii | my speakers make everything in my 30 person house ring.. ^^ |
| 02:04.21 | thingfish | simonrvn: and naked in a sweat lodge too, right? |
| 02:04.30 | simonrvn | eyup :D |
| 02:04.43 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 02:05.53 | thingfish | ick why did I order a pizza with nothing green on it. |
| 02:05.59 | stoned | ok i am back |
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| 02:06.27 | stoned | amaroK: - - genre:rating :73/0 |
| 02:06.36 | stoned | doh wtf, that wasn't supposed to be public |
| 02:06.43 | simonrvn | woops |
| 02:07.06 | moshii | stoned: going to have a listen to your tune in a moment, just letting my ears settle, ipod earphones are killer |
| 02:07.22 | simonrvn | th0ger: speaking of, i am so in need in getting in to one *sigh*. spring cleaning, and personal stuff |
| 02:07.33 | stoned | moshii, sure mate, i think you will like this. very melodic and emotional, and just very different from what you are used to. |
| 02:07.53 | moshii | stoned: I like the asian stuff ... buhgra I think it's called |
| 02:07.59 | stoned | moshii, please dont' make fun of my guitar technique though, I can't play, I suck anyway |
| 02:08.11 | stoned | moshii, bangra is great, its the upbeat hiphop of india |
| 02:08.13 | stoned | heh |
| 02:08.23 | thingfish | sounds interesting |
| 02:08.35 | moshii | and I thought all the thinking people were into german death metal |
| 02:08.48 | thingfish | I love indian classical music, although mainly the north india stuff. |
| 02:09.00 | thingfish | carnatic music is great too, though. |
| 02:09.11 | moshii | stoned: I think it has an interesting sound, listen to some japanese pop music, very nice voices ;) |
| 02:09.26 | stoned | thingfish, I am adept in karnatik, but I started my classical indian *hindustani sageet*north indian* at age 4 |
| 02:09.31 | thingfish | well, anything the japanese do is cool. |
| 02:09.37 | stoned | yeh, japanese are cool |
| 02:09.44 | stoned | especially with the hentai |
| 02:09.44 | stoned | ;) |
| 02:09.47 | moshii | thingfish: not everything |
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| 02:09.55 | thingfish | stoned: totally, totally, cool. |
| 02:09.56 | stoned | moshii, did you listen to it all the way |
| 02:09.59 | moshii | hentai is an adjective ... |
| 02:10.01 | DaBlade | Hello. I got another question. |
| 02:10.02 | dff | is there any way to make terminal transparent? |
| 02:10.04 | daeos | stoned: get cool devices |
| 02:10.06 | moshii | stoned: listening now |
| 02:10.07 | simonrvn | there, uri on clipboard |
| 02:10.11 | DaBlade | Which package do I need to apt-get to get my kernel source code? |
| 02:10.15 | stoned | daeos, i've got all series of it |
| 02:10.22 | DaBlade | I tried kernel-headers, but that didn't work |
| 02:10.30 | daeos | stoned: then watch Uroski |
| 02:10.34 | dff | DaBlade, try sypnatic |
| 02:10.36 | stoned | deadcat, got all 3 episodes |
| 02:10.41 | DaBlade | dff: I'm in CLI |
| 02:10.42 | thingfish | I wish I could play tabla. |
| 02:10.43 | moshii | stoned: it reminds me of a spectrum loading.. which is cool |
| 02:10.43 | stoned | urotskidoji, overfiend |
| 02:10.45 | stoned | ;) |
| 02:10.59 | daeos | yes |
| 02:11.02 | moshii | can't have ts on it's own ... |
| 02:11.03 | daeos | and la blue girl |
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| 02:11.14 | daeos | stoned: Go Nagi is my hearo |
| 02:11.18 | daeos | hero* |
| 02:11.24 | stoned | moshii, its very theory rich, mathematical, in fact heavy mathematical algorythms control the sound |
| 02:11.28 | stoned | its qutie formulated |
| 02:11.32 | thingfish | oh rob brown, on proton radio now...this guy's hot... |
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| 02:11.37 | stoned | I am a a theory/shred addict |
| 02:11.48 | thingfish | fricking rich tunes |
| 02:11.51 | moshii | stoned: really? It's good, you need some beat and nicer recording stuff thougjh |
| 02:11.57 | daeos | so if i installed a new nic after installing UBUNTU, ubuntu will automatically detect it? cause its not |
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| 02:12.03 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 02:12.37 | stoned | moshii, http://bungs.dontexist.com/hash.black.dawn.mp3 <-- me on drums and guitar. no vocals or bass yet. progressive metal sytle. check this out, you will like this better. Its western style |
| 02:12.43 | dff | Debian != Ubuntu |
| 02:13.16 | thingfish | and, for those of you on drugs, Debian does NOT equal Ubuntu! |
| 02:13.22 | stoned | lol |
| 02:13.29 | \amethyst | stoned: the second one sounds like it needs Stick not bass :) |
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| 02:13.34 | thingfish | :) |
| 02:13.35 | moshii | stoned: For some reason the last one reminds me of The Terminal by Pendulum |
| 02:13.38 | daeos | lovley, i forgot i was in debian :P |
| 02:13.40 | stoned | \amethyst, what do you mean |
| 02:13.51 | DaBlade | Can anyone do me a little favour and look for the kernel source package? I'm using Etch. |
| 02:13.54 | moshii | thingfish: drugs?! where |
| 02:14.00 | DaBlade | I can't find it myself in CLI |
| 02:14.05 | \amethyst | stoned: Chapman Stick, like Dream Theatre or 80s King Crimson |
| 02:14.12 | moshii | DaBlade: whoami |
| 02:14.12 | thingfish | moshii: oh, they're around. |
| 02:14.13 | stoned | \amethyst, ahh |
| 02:14.17 | DaBlade | moshii: Hm? |
| 02:14.23 | \amethyst | more like Dream Theatre |
| 02:14.25 | simonrvn | !info linux-source |
| 02:14.28 | moshii | DaBlade: it tells you who you are |
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| 02:14.43 | simonrvn | !info linux-source etch |
| 02:14.45 | thingfish | not that Debian users are always partakers of illicit substances. |
| 02:14.51 | moshii | thingfish: mixing sleeping pills is fun, try it for that over-the-counter hit |
| 02:14.54 | DaBlade | moshii: But what's it got to do with my kernel sources to do? |
| 02:15.02 | mhall | has anybody got a tip for how to get Xgl working on Debian |
| 02:15.03 | simonrvn | !info linux-source-2.6 etch |
| 02:15.11 | thingfish | I'm sure there are a few (<5%) virginal types. |
| 02:15.19 | stoned | thingfish, enough |
| 02:15.20 | simonrvn | mhall: *shrug* google? |
| 02:15.26 | moshii | DaBlade: ah, I meant Daeous, sorry mate |
| 02:15.29 | DaBlade | simonrvn: www.scroogle.org |
| 02:15.31 | simonrvn | ffs, fucking bot |
| 02:15.36 | DaBlade | moshii: No problem. :) |
| 02:15.41 | thingfish | stoned: aye, mate |
| 02:16.19 | stoned | moshii, my guitar solo is around 2:30 in the second song, check it |
| 02:16.24 | simonrvn | DaBlade: is that screw+google? :) |
| 02:16.48 | moshii | stoned: still downloading, servers aren't up to my cable it seems |
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| 02:17.03 | DaBlade | simonrvn: No, it's Google Scraper |
| 02:17.08 | stoned | moshii, you're getting it direct from me, and my upload sucks |
| 02:17.16 | DaBlade | I think I found it: linux-source-2.6.15 |
| 02:17.32 | moshii | stoned: ah mine too, 10mbit down.... 384kbit up! |
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| 02:17.45 | DaBlade | I hate it when ISPs do that. |
| 02:18.01 | DaBlade | I got 3MB down, 300kb up |
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| 02:18.05 | stoned | well, I have 1mbit up, about 100+ kb/s up, but I am serving metal mp3 on undernet, hehe |
| 02:18.06 | moshii | thankgod they have their own fullfeed newsgroup servers |
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| 02:18.24 | mhall | Has anybody got a tip on a log / daemon outage monitoring tool that exists as a Debian package, and could for example email or page an admin if something crashes? |
| 02:18.30 | DaBlade | moshii: Mine doesn't carry binaries. :( |
| 02:18.35 | surfdue | hello! |
| 02:18.45 | pingu | Is nagios a debian package? |
| 02:18.47 | pingu | If so, nagios. |
| 02:18.49 | moshii | DaBlade: mine has everything, retention is about 2 days only though |
| 02:18.57 | simonrvn | 3 Mb/800Kb |
| 02:19.09 | simonrvn | mhall: yeh, nagios or nagios2 |
| 02:19.18 | pingu | There's a nagios2? |
| 02:19.20 | surfdue | I have a lappy im putting debain on, I am using the netinst, I have a motorola pcmia card its pretty nice and pop. it didnt reconize it, what do I need to do is there a direver I need to put on a floppy? |
| 02:19.24 | simonrvn | yup |
| 02:19.28 | simonrvn | sid |
| 02:19.31 | pingu | ooh. |
| 02:19.43 | moshii | surfdue: you need to find out what your card is inside |
| 02:19.54 | pingu | Anyway, I just wrote a patch, for a security hole in bsdgames. |
| 02:19.54 | mhall | simonrvn: found that, are there any others to consider? |
| 02:19.58 | surfdue | ok its pretty on the outside :P |
| 02:20.12 | pingu | To get this into debian, would I simply mail the diff to the package maintainer? |
| 02:20.12 | simonrvn | mon, and some others |
| 02:20.25 | simonrvn | it's already there ^^ |
| 02:20.43 | pingu | What's already where? |
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| 02:20.53 | moshii | stoned: your range is pretty diverse isn't it? |
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| 02:21.40 | simonrvn | sec |
| 02:22.09 | simonrvn | Maintainer: Debian Nagios Maintainer Group <pkg-nagios-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 02:22.17 | simonrvn | Package: nagios2 |
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| 02:22.48 | simonrvn | aptc policy nagios2; 1000 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 02:23.08 | asg | simonrvn: is aptc a local alias? :) |
| 02:23.16 | surfdue | moshii, I have the motorola wn825 |
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| 02:23.22 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:23.26 | simonrvn | apt-cache |
| 02:23.38 | stoned | moshii, you want to hear me play dissonant contrapuntal Sonata pieces I made. Assymetric atonal practices, polyphonic harmonized melody, quite unorthodox. Completel freedom of movement, not bound by the dual major/minor key sytem. Heh, I am a music nerd man, I like music of the whold world, music is universal and I like it all. no matter how boring it maybe, there is always something you can learn from any type of musical thought. |
| 02:23.47 | moshii | surfdue: google: "linux wn825", see if it works with linux to start off |
| 02:23.57 | surfdue | :P |
| 02:23.59 | asg | simonrvn: I'm surprised they haven't symlinked it at this point |
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| 02:24.10 | mhall | stoned: you should go to work for pandora.com |
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| 02:24.16 | simonrvn | stoned: fricking awesome |
| 02:24.31 | stoned | mhall, im checking it now, thanks |
| 02:24.36 | moshii | stoned: I'm very "head music". Different music for different moods and situations |
| 02:24.38 | stoned | simonrvn, thanks, about what though? |
| 02:24.49 | asg | stoned: the dissonance most likely |
| 02:24.52 | simonrvn | liking all kinds of music, and what you said |
| 02:24.52 | moshii | might be working for a company that makes linux based audio stuff soon though :) |
| 02:24.58 | stoned | ahh yes |
| 02:25.03 | surfdue | moshii no hits that were simular to what we were looking for |
| 02:25.07 | mhall | stoned: they use AI and musicology to find new and obscure music to match one's tastes + preferences expressed in terms of what a person considers 'known good' songs |
| 02:25.15 | stoned | simonrvn, music is nourishment for the soul :) |
| 02:25.23 | simonrvn | indeed it is |
| 02:25.25 | asg | so is beer |
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| 02:25.26 | moshii | surfdue: if it's a really new shiny card it might not work :( |
| 02:25.33 | pingu | Ok, I've made changes to a debian source package. I need to make those changes somehow go into the diff. I'm asssuming it's a simple script? |
| 02:25.42 | mhall | the Germans are right to nickname beer 'liquid bread' |
| 02:25.56 | AzianFlu | is there a "live" cd that runs "true" ubuntu? |
| 02:26.01 | asg | mhall: it's liquid bread, it's good for you |
| 02:26.07 | moshii | AzianFlu: #ubuntu |
| 02:26.07 | asg | AzianFlu: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:26.07 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 02:26.12 | DaBlade | ERROR: The kernel header file '/usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h' does not exist. The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in '/usr/src/linux' have not been configured. |
| 02:26.16 | AzianFlu | i'm sorry. i meant debian |
| 02:26.23 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 02:26.24 | mhall | moshii asg simonrvn : wtfpwnage |
| 02:26.25 | simonrvn | DaBlade: run make menuconfig |
| 02:26.28 | mhall | !+bloody sunday |
| 02:26.30 | DaBlade | simonrvn: I did |
| 02:26.31 | moshii | if they don't know what debian is why do they end up here :/ |
| 02:26.33 | DaBlade | It didn't help |
| 02:26.41 | asg | AzianFlu: 1) install debian, 2) use bootcd to create a live cd of that system |
| 02:26.44 | daeos | is it possible to toggle to a shell within irssi ? |
| 02:26.47 | stoned | dude, I can't even begin to tell you how much utterly despise ubuntu, personal reasons. |
| 02:26.53 | DaBlade | I hope this doesn't mean I gotta compile my kernel over again |
| 02:26.56 | unstable | daeos: no |
| 02:26.57 | simonrvn | DaBlade: then run make a little while, at least until it spits out version.h |
| 02:27.03 | unstable | daeos: use screen, or ppl.pl |
| 02:27.07 | unstable | !tell daeos about screen |
| 02:27.08 | AzianFlu | i was hoping to try it out without installing, but if thats the only way i'll do so. |
| 02:27.12 | DaBlade | simonrvn: How does a version.h look like? |
| 02:27.16 | DaBlade | maybe I can just make one |
| 02:27.24 | mhall | please all, no distro soapboxing, it devolves into unwanted uninteresting unoriginal offtopic ranting of the most insidious level |
| 02:27.26 | asg | !version.h |
| 02:27.26 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
| 02:27.35 | simonrvn | it'll say [CC] version.h or something like that in the output |
| 02:27.43 | stoned | mhall, thats not what I meant, but I sorry, I shush about distro now :) |
| 02:27.48 | moshii | AzianFlu: trying it out is installing ;) |
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| 02:27.53 | asg | mhall: and then I chirp in and tell people to use OpenBSD |
| 02:27.55 | daeos | unstable: you think that will work with sshing into my server? screen with allow multiple windows? nice |
| 02:27.57 | stoned | mhall, i still hate ubuntu though :) |
| 02:27.58 | daeos | ;) |
| 02:28.01 | moshii | AzianFlu: if you want a cdrom distro try knoppix or something |
| 02:28.06 | mhall | :-( |
| 02:28.09 | simonrvn | stoned: i like it (sad.mp3) |
| 02:28.13 | unstable | daeos: yes, I use it all the time. |
| 02:28.25 | mhall | stoned: may i hear your mp3? |
| 02:28.32 | AzianFlu | moshii, alrighty, installation it is. thanks for the time everyone. sorry about the freudian slip earlier 8) |
| 02:28.32 | unstable | daeos: I ssh into a box, and I use screen to do 6 different things, I'm using screen right no remotely. |
| 02:28.53 | mhall | AzianFlu: may your cigars be just cigars from now on |
| 02:28.55 | unstable | daeos: And if I want to I can detach this screen session, do an apt-get dist-upgrade, then reattach while that upgrades. and continue talking |
| 02:28.56 | moshii | AzianFlu: never say uxxxtu in #debian, it's the golden rule! |
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| 02:29.12 | mhall | moshii: you're getting too close to the word |
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| 02:29.15 | unstable | s/no/now |
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| 02:29.27 | mhall | moshii: it's sort of like how in Judaism you can't write G.d |
| 02:29.27 | AzianFlu | moshii, i hadn't intended to... then i saw the topic as i was typing and it just... happened 8) |
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| 02:29.38 | asg | moshii: it's fine to say it, it's when they assume we know or want to help them that's the problem. |
| 02:29.39 | mhall | moshii: in here you can't write, uh, that word you can't write |
| 02:29.56 | moshii | asg: I was joking ;) |
| 02:29.58 | mhall | asg: saying the word in general leads to offtopic ranting |
| 02:30.01 | asg | ia! shub niggurath |
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| 02:30.07 | linrunix | pregunta... alguien sabe como recuperar data despues que la eliminas? |
| 02:30.12 | DaBlade | simonrvn: What kernel version do you run? |
| 02:30.13 | asg | !es |
| 02:30.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:30.13 | linrunix | excuse me |
| 02:30.15 | moshii | I always wonder how people with an ubuntu cd in their hand can type debian instead though |
| 02:30.21 | mhall | asg: if it were me i'd have people kicked for saying it more than a few times an hour |
| 02:30.43 | stoned | ahhhhh! my weed man called, im gona go pick up buds, see you guys later. thanks for liking my music, even though I wasn't asking for a pat on the back, im glad its lisetable, and I'll work on it imore. have a good night guys, god bless |
| 02:30.45 | asg | mhall: agreed, like we used to do with the knoppixers |
| 02:30.48 | linrunix | did anybody know how to recovery the data after you delete it???? |
| 02:30.56 | mhall | stoned: can i get an mp3 of it? |
| 02:30.57 | AzianFlu | linrunix, get recover |
| 02:30.58 | simonrvn | moshii: the client does that. they're all configured to connect to #debian by default, and they don't change it (the other distros) |
| 02:31.16 | moshii | simonrvn: that's a bit shite, someone should tell them |
| 02:31.17 | DaBlade | simonrvn: Hello? :) |
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| 02:31.21 | linrunix | that is a package? |
| 02:31.24 | asg | moshii: we have |
| 02:31.24 | mhall | moshii: they know; they don't care |
| 02:31.36 | mhall | moshii: we should not have any irc client autoconnecting to anything |
| 02:31.40 | mhall | moshii: it's a security problem |
| 02:31.41 | simonrvn | DaBlade: and why do you ask? |
| 02:31.46 | AzianFlu | linrunix, its a program i found on the net. i don't know if debian has a package for it |
| 02:31.46 | mhall | moshii: so in the end we are most to blame |
| 02:31.51 | moshii | mhall: yeah totally |
| 02:31.53 | DaBlade | simonrvn: Maybe I could copy your version.h |
| 02:32.02 | mhall | moshii: therefore my sympathy is limited |
| 02:32.04 | simonrvn | no you can't. it's specific to this box |
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| 02:32.19 | moshii | mhall: I don't know, seems a bit silly to be not-debian, but not-update your *own* packages correctly |
| 02:32.22 | DaBlade | how do they look? does it just say the version? |
| 02:32.23 | stoned | mhall, http://bungs.donexist.com/ there is no index.html, make use of whatever is on there, everything in Necrophagist is not me. all other mp3s are mine, well you'll be able to tell. get sad.mp3/anjali.mp3/malhaar.mp3/hash.black.dawn.mp3 those are my orignal pieces. blah is just me goofing off with random guitarwork, much crazy stuff, feel free to browse, just dont' jerk off to my fiance's pictures ;) goog night |
| 02:32.28 | linrunix | thanks i'll try |
| 02:32.35 | AzianFlu | good luck |
| 02:32.39 | dos000 | i am looking for a nice/smart way sending a file via ssh to remote host and trigger it by a php app that is acting as www-data user .. any ideas ? |
| 02:32.42 | mhall | stoned: lol |
| 02:32.46 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 02:32.49 | linrunix | AzianFlu, do you remember the page |
| 02:33.01 | AzianFlu | no.. but i might have a .tar here.. |
| 02:33.09 | moshii | mhall: hmm I'm running irssi on netbsd here, but I can't remember the debian packages autoconnecting to anything |
| 02:33.11 | simonrvn | dos000: scp |
| 02:33.12 | mhall | stoned: hope it was dontexist, donexist is teh b0rk3d =) |
| 02:33.13 | asg | mhall: I guess #debian will be slashdotting his gf's pics |
| 02:33.19 | mhall | moshii: yeah it doesn't |
| 02:33.32 | mhall | asg: i haven't seen these yet to know if i agree it to be likely |
| 02:33.47 | stoned | mhall, let me go already man, lol, gotta go pick up buds. bungs.dontexist.com. OR http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~bunghole/ bye now |
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| 02:34.09 | andres2 | Hi. |
| 02:34.14 | jmg | is there a way to make make-kpkg not rebuild the tree before building the .debs? |
| 02:34.22 | moshii | mhall: someone should slap those ubuntu guys for forking anyhow |
| 02:34.22 | magyar | what is the proper way of using nameif, do i place it in /etc/networking/interfaces file? |
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| 02:34.35 | daeos | unstable: thanks for the info, that beats running 3 different puTTY sessions from work |
| 02:34.48 | moshii | mhall: why didn't they just make a nice little set of packages and use debian, some people ;) |
| 02:34.53 | andres2 | How to install Debian on a low memory environment? |
| 02:34.56 | AzianFlu | linrunix, accept that file |
| 02:34.58 | simonrvn | !tell lgn21st -about root |
| 02:35.20 | dos000 | simonrvn : how do you get the keys undrstood by scp in a non interactive way |
| 02:35.21 | asg | andres2: how low memory? |
| 02:35.32 | simonrvn | which keys? |
| 02:35.43 | mhall | moshii: ack that subject is antithetical to this channel's communicative success |
| 02:35.45 | dos000 | simonrvn : how do you pass the passwd in a non interactive way to scp |
| 02:35.54 | mhall | moshii: please for the love of $DEITY no distro soapboxing |
| 02:35.56 | asg | dos000: use public/private keys |
| 02:36.00 | pingu | Anyone? I really wouldn't mind some help here. I got a source package, dpkg-source'd it, made my changes and now I need to make a new source package out of that. |
| 02:36.02 | linrunix | send it again |
| 02:36.03 | andres2 | asg, 16mb |
| 02:36.30 | asg | andres2: iirc, you need to install woody and either stay with it or upgrade to sarge after installation. |
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| 02:36.32 | linrunix | AzianFlu, send it know |
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| 02:36.45 | moshii | mhall: ah, not soapboxing, but it you're going to be debian-like you might as well be debian, there are enough benefits |
| 02:36.45 | magyar | i need to assigng to e100 a specific IP and the e1000 module also. When there is a kernel update things change, how can i fix it? |
| 02:36.47 | simonrvn | dos000: ssh key; man ssh-keygen |
| 02:37.21 | dos000 | simonrvn: asg: i am using public/private keys in my day to day logins. i just dont know how the keys i added when i loged in as root will be passed to the php scipt that will be running as the apache user |
| 02:37.35 | AzianFlu | take it linrunix |
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| 02:38.04 | \amethyst | dos000: -i /path/to/the/id_dsa |
| 02:38.07 | magyar | how can I marry a NIC to an IP address? |
| 02:38.10 | linrunix | my xchat reject it automatic |
| 02:38.18 | asg | magyar: nameif |
| 02:38.18 | linrunix | and i dont know why? |
| 02:38.20 | AzianFlu | mine doesnt see the rejection |
| 02:38.22 | linrunix | try know |
| 02:38.27 | simonrvn | 'now' |
| 02:38.37 | linrunix | yes |
| 02:38.37 | asg | magyar: it's MAC address though, not IP |
| 02:38.38 | magyar | asg: where do i place this nameif? |
| 02:38.44 | linrunix | now |
| 02:38.45 | AzianFlu | just google for recover-1.3c.tar.gz or just recover |
| 02:38.52 | dos000 | \amethyst .. that is to pass the id file .. not the id used by the ssh-agent |
| 02:38.54 | asg | magyar: /etc/mactab (like the manpage says) |
| 02:39.02 | linrunix | ok |
| 02:39.23 | andres2 | asg, can I install sarge on another machine and then change the disk? |
| 02:39.43 | moshii | andres2: you should build a system with debootstrap and use that |
| 02:40.00 | asg | andres2: check the installation docs. I'm pretty sure sarge only requires 16M to run but 24M to install. It might be woody though. |
| 02:40.13 | \amethyst | dos000: can you run an agent as www-data, then ssh-add as www-data once on boot? |
| 02:40.19 | simonrvn | "<dpkg> i guess your mom is my hoe" |
| 02:40.28 | simonrvn | i'm *not* going to correct that ;) |
| 02:40.37 | asg | heh |
| 02:40.54 | linrunix | Azian, have you ever use it? |
| 02:40.59 | dos000 | \amethyst: can you login as www-data even ? i imagine it will be disabled |
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| 02:41.37 | simonrvn | what would this be? a giant farm/garden implement, made of a telephone pole, some metal on the end, and cracked and dirty? |
| 02:41.40 | dos000 | \amethyst: then even how do you add the keys at each boot ? |
| 02:42.11 | asg | magyar: if it isn't invoked automatically at boot, just customize an /etc/init.d/ file (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) to invoke the necessary commands and create a symlink from /etc/rc2.d/S99foo to that /etc/init.d/foo file you create. |
| 02:42.21 | \amethyst | dos000: Or leave the key unencrypted |
| 02:42.27 | asg | magyar: or see the update-rc.d manpage |
| 02:42.33 | simonrvn | dos000: apt-cache show keychain |
| 02:43.00 | mhall | simonrvn: sounds vaguely familiar but cannot think of it |
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| 02:43.07 | simonrvn | no guesses? i'll give it one more minute |
| 02:43.40 | asg | simonrvn: a big hoe? |
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| 02:43.51 | simonrvn | big dirty cracked hoe |
| 02:44.04 | meta-ridley | anyone running sarge on their ibook? |
| 02:44.07 | magyar | asg: so there is no easy way like in redhat to use /etc/modules.conf? |
| 02:44.16 | dos000 | simonrvn: so when an ssh-agent autenticates a user does that mean evryone can use the id/keychain to login to remote hosts ? |
| 02:44.23 | simonrvn | (it's better if you sound it off vocally) |
| 02:44.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:44.30 | mhall | simonrvn: stoned's music isn't half-bad |
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| 02:44.45 | thingfish | what is stoned listening to? |
| 02:44.54 | mhall | thingfish: no what he is playing |
| 02:44.56 | thingfish | the mammas and the papas? |
| 02:44.59 | simonrvn | mhall: yeh i liked it. s/he needs better recording stuff though |
| 02:45.01 | mhall | thingfish: he wrote some stuff |
| 02:45.03 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I'm runing testing on a powerbook.... |
| 02:45.04 | thingfish | oh |
| 02:45.05 | mhall | simonrvn: that's a given |
| 02:45.08 | thingfish | heh |
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| 02:45.27 | asg | magyar: maybe, I'm not sure. The last time this was an issue for me was on an early redhat system and I solved it by changing the order of the cards in the PCI slots. |
| 02:45.29 | thingfish | I'm sure it's real...special and he's talented and all that. |
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| 02:45.59 | mne | hi guys. it there a way to execute a cron job on demand ? I want to test my cron configuration and do not want to wait until cron executes the job |
| 02:46.00 | thingfish | (but if it's not 120 bpm I don't care about it!) |
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| 02:46.13 | daeos | man i love screen now |
| 02:46.20 | magyar | asg: in redhat i do <module name> <network interface> done |
| 02:46.20 | meta-ridley | sebas007: do you find it runs hotter in linux? |
| 02:46.22 | meta-ridley | than osx |
| 02:46.31 | dos000 | simonrvn: i know when i runn ssh-add myid and enter my password in authenticated. how can i make an init scipt that basically adds keys for the www-data user after evry login. i did init scripts already. |
| 02:46.32 | asg | mne: just change the time to have it start in a minute |
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| 02:47.12 | mne | asg, that's a hack but no solution :P anyway, it will work, I'll do so ;) |
| 02:47.13 | asg | magyar: well, Debian has an /etc/modules.conf too. See if it works. |
| 02:47.18 | simonrvn | dos000: yeh, you could. just be really careful with file perms/ownership, and take other measures to make it secure |
| 02:48.02 | asg | mne: it is a hack but it does somewhat quickly verify that things are working. |
| 02:48.06 | dos000 | simonrvn: i have no idea how elese i can do it. the more easier the worst security gets |
| 02:48.09 | andres2 | Thanks moshii, asg |
| 02:48.13 | mne | asg, you're absolutely right |
| 02:48.14 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I little bit yes... but I'm not using osx often. so, it is hard to tell. |
| 02:48.24 | dos000 | simonrvn: i mean how i can make it more secure |
| 02:48.27 | simonrvn | dos000: sometimes - not always - a tradeoff between ease and security |
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| 02:48.41 | asg | mne: I'll tell you that the biggest problems with cron jobs are to do with the Environment the cron job runs in versus that which the script was tested in. |
| 02:48.48 | mhall | thingfish: 120bpm? ok... http://www.bradsucks.net/music/albums/idkwid-128/01_-_Brad_Sucks_-_Making_Me_Nervous.mp3 is precisely 120bpm |
| 02:49.01 | simonrvn | make sure only that user/group can read it, set it r/o, stick it somewhere private (not in some docroot ;), stuff like that |
| 02:49.14 | asg | mne: the number one issue that I've seen is the assumption that the job's PATH is the same or even remotely similar to your PATH. |
| 02:49.17 | mne | asg, which is exactly why I want cron to test it out. |
| 02:49.36 | dos000 | simonrvn: there is no deamon the can take commands over a socket and does the scp ... or any other magic ? |
| 02:49.38 | mne | asg, I use explicit paths to avaoid that ;) |
| 02:49.44 | simonrvn | not that i know of |
| 02:50.15 | asg | mne: right. A pretty good litmus test is to do 'env -i /path/to/script' If it runs, you *should* be fine unless there are permissions problems. |
| 02:50.22 | simonrvn | what you could do is have it shfs mounted, then do what you need to do |
| 02:50.25 | thingfish | mhall: there's no way I'm interrupting what I'm listening to now. |
| 02:50.35 | mhall | thingfish: add it to the playlist then |
| 02:50.38 | dos000 | simonrvn: nice idea |
| 02:50.44 | mhall | thingfish: why do you have to be so difficult |
| 02:50.56 | thingfish | mhall: because I'm awful. |
| 02:51.14 | mhall | thingfish: yeah the worst of the bunch |
| 02:51.14 | simonrvn | then you only have to worry about getting it mounted. i.e., only gets read once |
| 02:51.17 | asg | mhall: he's a thingfish, there is some ambiguity |
| 02:51.17 | mne | asg, sure, that will do fine. there could still be a problem if you did some syntax error in the crontab or in /etc/cron.d ;) |
| 02:51.20 | thingfish | a freak of nature. :/ |
| 02:51.22 | mhall | thingfish: if i could i'd kb you right now |
| 02:51.31 | asg | mne: indeed |
| 02:51.40 | simonrvn | oh, wait, no, it would still get requested |
| 02:51.45 | thingfish | mhall: not without $5 and a note from your mother! |
| 02:52.08 | asg | mne: though a standard 'crontab' will do a syntax check |
| 02:52.17 | mhall | thingfish: i'm not speaking to that bitch, she tried to blame me for getting rear-ended by an uninsured driver |
| 02:52.26 | mne | asg, right .. |
| 02:52.30 | mhall | thingfish: and she wouldn't shut the fuck up and let me explain, so she can go to hell |
| 02:52.43 | mne | asg, anyway, my cron job works just fine now. |
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| 02:53.05 | meta-ridley | sebas007: id like to use less osx.. want to make sure everything works in debian before switching |
| 02:53.28 | mne | asg, which brings me to another interresting question. it the dpkg bot searchable ? I guess it contains masses of useful information |
| 02:53.32 | mhall | meta-ridley: note that it's probably not working in OS X to begin with so it's not like debian would do worse =) |
| 02:53.39 | mhall | !tell mne about my factoids |
| 02:53.44 | mhall | mne: dpkg.viero.org |
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| 02:53.56 | mne | mhall, thank you |
| 02:53.58 | mhall | mne: yq |
| 02:53.59 | Bambino | Hi there. I have a question. in the terminal. I typed "ftp ftp.blabla.com" and loged in. Now the site i logged in to has like 40 files in the home directory. I wanna get them all. I figured that i must use the command "get" but how do i actually get them all at the same time? |
| 02:54.01 | mhall | mne: yw* |
| 02:54.06 | thingfish | mhall: when you turn 18, they should just give you $1,000,000.00 and be done with you. and vice versa. |
| 02:54.11 | mne | mhall, ;) |
| 02:54.14 | mhall | Bambino: use an FTP client which does not suck |
| 02:54.16 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: everything works in debian ;) |
| 02:54.19 | mhall | Bambino: such as lftp |
| 02:54.21 | moshii | Bambino: i think you need a new ftp client |
| 02:54.32 | moshii | Bambino: lftp has mget :) |
| 02:54.34 | mhall | Bambino: then once you are in, you can use mget with wildcards to grab your goodies |
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| 02:54.48 | a000a__ | i ahve a problem with sed i just want change : in / ... it's possible you help me please .. |
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| 02:54.53 | mhall | moshii: old FTP does too but the progress indicators suck i.e. they don't exist |
| 02:54.59 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: it depends of the version of your ibook. |
| 02:55.00 | thingfish | sebas007: why, yes it does! in fact, if you look in the dictionary, under "it works", it says "Debian"! |
| 02:55.19 | Bambino | mhall: ok in lftp. How do i type.. mget * ? to get all the files? |
| 02:55.25 | mhall | Bambino: yeah |
| 02:55.25 | moshii | mhall: really? I haven't found one that does huge multi-dir 20gig site dumping right yet :( |
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| 02:55.31 | mhall | Bambino: help mget for explanation |
| 02:55.44 | mhall | moshii: mget's not usually recursive |
| 02:55.52 | magyar | asg: cant realy do much with modules.conf but modprobe.d/aliases might work |
| 02:55.55 | magyar | bahh |
| 02:55.55 | sebas007 | thingfish: ahahha! |
| 02:55.55 | asg | mne: also, /msg dpkg listkeys <keywords> ; /msg dpkg listvals <keywords> |
| 02:55.58 | meta-ridley | sebas007: newest |
| 02:56.02 | mhall | moshii: your best bet would be ftp://user:pass@host in konqueror |
| 02:56.04 | moshii | mhall: and one that supports SSL .. that really pisses me off |
| 02:56.06 | meta-ridley | 12inch 1.33ghz |
| 02:56.11 | mne | asg, thanks alot |
| 02:56.13 | mhall | moshii: lftp does if you use a proper URL |
| 02:56.17 | asg | mne: you're welcom |
| 02:56.19 | asg | *e |
| 02:56.20 | moshii | mhall: very very slow for big sites |
| 02:56.24 | mhall | moshii: i think lftp mget has a recursive switch |
| 02:56.29 | Bambino | thanks |
| 02:56.30 | mhall | moshii: in general FTP is a bad protocol |
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| 02:56.39 | mhall | moshii: if you use WebDAV it works a lot better |
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| 02:56.45 | meta-ridley | im kind of pissed to hear that the intel macbooks are coming out really soon with almost the same price tag |
| 02:56.46 | asg | mhall: that's putting it mildly |
| 02:57.04 | moshii | mhall: hmm I have a bunch of big sites I'd like to leach but there are no clients that work well for doing big dumps and support ssl |
| 02:57.10 | mhall | moshii: ftp is such that overhead per file is high, so if it's not large monolithic files, then you're well fucked and far from home |
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| 02:57.21 | mhall | asg: i'm being diplomaticish today |
| 02:57.27 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I guess that you have the built-in wireless card ... did you make it work in debian? |
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| 02:57.35 | mhall | !beer asg |
| 02:57.38 | moshii | mhall: yeah, uploading phpwiki with konq took ages |
| 02:57.39 | asg | mhall: ah, quite right :) |
| 02:57.39 | lars | are there Gnome 2.14 in .debs available? |
| 02:57.58 | meta-ridley | sebas007: haevn't tried it yet.. there's an experimental driver availible |
| 02:58.07 | thingfish | yum homebrew |
| 02:58.08 | mhall | moshii: you will find such behavior endemic to the FTP body politic en masse |
| 02:58.16 | asg | mhall: night, need to get some sleep |
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| 02:58.21 | thingfish | I want yeast on the bottom of my bottle... |
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| 02:58.56 | moshii | mhall: windows people manage it with stuff like cuteftp.. igloo is the sort of thing we need, just retarded and buggy |
| 02:59.15 | moshii | thingfish: that's the sign of a poor home brewer |
| 02:59.20 | lars | thingfish: no, you won't :) |
| 02:59.41 | moshii | thingfish: unless your drinking stuff that hasn't finished in a drinking contest with an irish person |
| 02:59.43 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: the driver works very nicely, but it's not in sarge... |
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| 02:59.50 | thingfish | moshii: chimay is the product of poor brewing? |
| 02:59.58 | meta-ridley | sebas007: i might be using testing now.. im not sure haha |
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| 03:00.02 | meta-ridley | i did a dist-upgrade |
| 03:00.09 | meta-ridley | will that do it? |
| 03:00.33 | moshii | thingfish: chimay? here yeast at the bottom == the runs at the bottom |
| 03:00.41 | moshii | thingfish: 'tis the rule we live by |
| 03:00.47 | meta-ridley | im running kernel 2.6.15 now as well |
| 03:00.47 | thingfish | well that's for sure hehe |
| 03:01.03 | thingfish | next day...yeesh |
| 03:01.10 | plasmoduck | hi, I got a .com.au domain, I want to point it to my debian box running apache, what do I have to install on it? I've entered my static ip and dyndns hostname in the ns1 feild for the domain |
| 03:01.15 | surfdue | moshii no hits that were simular to what we were looking for |
| 03:01.17 | thingfish | but that night - yummy! |
| 03:01.27 | moshii | thingfish: make some sake, that's good fun |
| 03:01.27 | surfdue | moshii, i was eating dinner can you repaeat what you said earlier |
| 03:01.43 | thingfish | oh sake is very very nice, delicate, refined stuff. |
| 03:01.57 | moshii | surfdue: mm if there is no driver for you card you're shit out of luck |
| 03:02.08 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: well, it depends on your level of tolerance to bugs... and beta software and your desire for new software ;-) |
| 03:02.08 | surfdue | what if there is? |
| 03:02.11 | surfdue | whats that software? |
| 03:02.12 | moshii | thingfish: sake and orange, the best drink in the world |
| 03:02.16 | surfdue | that handles alot of cards? |
| 03:02.20 | thingfish | I suspect appreciating sake requires a very educated palate. |
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| 03:02.45 | myren | i'd like to switch the caps on my =/+ key |
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| 03:02.46 | moshii | thingfish: commercial sake is totally different to homebrew sake.. homebrew looks like milk |
| 03:02.47 | thingfish | it's such a delicate drink to begin with. |
| 03:02.54 | thingfish | wow |
| 03:02.58 | moshii | thingfish: I forget the name.. dobukuro or something |
| 03:03.02 | myren | so non-cap is + and cap is =, opposite standard |
| 03:03.06 | meta-ridley | sebas007: if i keep grabbing from the testing tree does that mean the packages will constanly be changed? |
| 03:03.06 | myren | any suggestions how to do so |
| 03:03.12 | daeos | trying to figure out how to use 'screen' and one thing i can't figure out is how to move one screen to another split area |
| 03:03.16 | thingfish | moshii: sounds very interesting! |
| 03:03.22 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: on a new machine like an ibook, I would run testing at least. |
| 03:03.34 | moshii | thingfish: you need a funky fungi to get it going, it's the homebrew for thinking people! |
| 03:03.40 | meta-ridley | sebas007: yea, 2.6.8 is pretty conservative |
| 03:03.46 | mhall | moshii: you can get commercial sake like that |
| 03:03.50 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: exactly. |
| 03:03.53 | mhall | moshii: simply look for the unfiltered kind |
| 03:03.55 | surfdue | can you get ndiswrapper to work before the install of the netinst? |
| 03:03.56 | thingfish | moshii: sounds like great fun. |
| 03:04.06 | moshii | mhall: really? probably not in the uk :( |
| 03:04.10 | meta-ridley | i've never really used debian before, i'm pretty happy with it so far |
| 03:04.13 | daeos | !screen |
| 03:04.13 | dpkg | screen is, like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 03:04.17 | mhall | moshii: it's available in the usa |
| 03:04.27 | mhall | moshii: but i'm on the pacific rim |
| 03:04.32 | moshii | mhall: the uk is like the usa, without anything |
| 03:04.38 | thingfish | meta-ridley: it's quality linux. |
| 03:04.40 | mhall | moshii: tittybiscuits |
| 03:04.42 | moshii | mhall: but totally cooler |
| 03:04.51 | mhall | moshii: temperaturewise that's true |
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| 03:05.13 | moshii | mhall: ah, we wet and moody around here |
| 03:05.14 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I run testing and get some unstable package sometimes. |
| 03:05.21 | thingfish | meta-ridley: not the newest versions of packages, but what you get is the very definition of rock-solid. |
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| 03:05.57 | meta-ridley | but if i add testing to sources.list, does that mean a single version of testing, or everytime i run apt-cache update will it get the latest packages from the testing branch? |
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| 03:06.24 | mhall | my fucking eye is killing me |
| 03:06.29 | mhall | it's getting inflamed out the ass |
| 03:06.32 | mhall | god damn it |
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| 03:06.37 | meta-ridley | pink eye? |
| 03:06.41 | moshii | mhall: glasses |
| 03:06.47 | moshii | mhall: they rock |
| 03:06.55 | mhall | meta-ridley: everytime i blow my nose, some of it comes out my eye instead |
| 03:06.58 | thingfish | meta-ridley: apt-get update will default to the higher version, so you probably don't want to change your sources.list to include testing. |
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| 03:07.50 | pingu | Ok, I've got bugfixe'd package, how do debian developers like to receive these? |
| 03:07.54 | thingfish | well, I mean, if you do apt-get update and have testing repos enabled, then you'll get everything from testing. |
| 03:07.56 | pingu | Just the diff? |
| 03:08.42 | Azar | man this article is hysterical: excerpt: "They will say the Linux community argues from a position of insecurity. They will scream that Linux types are bigoted zealots who prefer to masturbate penguins rather than help customers in a kind, gentle manner." |
| 03:09.16 | Azar | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/08/tuttle_freaks/ |
| 03:09.40 | surfdue | how can i get ndiswrapper to work with debian netinst? |
| 03:09.48 | meta-ridley | you can't |
| 03:09.55 | meta-ridley | wireless install isn't supported yet |
| 03:10.04 | meta-ridley | afaik |
| 03:10.26 | thingfish | Azar: yeah what's up with that? I mean, I personally have never had even the slightest urge to masturbate a penguin. |
| 03:10.43 | thingfish | and I'm pretty funky. |
| 03:10.54 | Azar | thingfish: yeah, that oklahoma idiot mayor who made waves last week.. |
| 03:10.57 | bucky | mhall: you have spinal fluid coming out your nose like George Clooney? |
| 03:11.03 | thingfish | oh yeah, that buffoon... |
| 03:11.03 | Azar | how many could be out there like him |
| 03:11.20 | shogunx | i would definitely use a wrapper script if i were to masturbate a penguin |
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| 03:11.21 | thingfish | Azar: FAR too many. |
| 03:11.52 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: until, I got to kernel 2.6.15, I had problems with the wakeup... It was crashing. |
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| 03:12.02 | meta-ridley | oops |
| 03:12.18 | meta-ridley | can you resend that last message.. killed my window |
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| 03:12.34 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: 00:11:51) sebas007: meta-ridley: until, I got to kernel 2.6.15, I had problems with the wakeup... It was crashing. |
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| 03:13.02 | meta-ridley | sebas007: do you use cpufreq? |
| 03:13.06 | surfdue | meta-ridley, so i cant install debian? |
| 03:13.31 | meta-ridley | i was just told the powersave governor should generate less heat |
| 03:13.49 | shogunx | surfdue you can install from the cd's/dvd's, and get your wifi working after that, then update all your packages. |
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| 03:14.12 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: nope. |
| 03:14.13 | meta-ridley | i was using powernowd which is userspace, so im going to try this one and see if it makes a difference |
| 03:14.32 | Azar | thingfish: just another example right now: phone rings, I pick up and a lady goes: did I called the wrong number? :) |
| 03:15.30 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:16.02 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I've never really try to get powernowd and cpufred to work.... |
| 03:16.16 | sebas007 | maybe I should look at this... a little. |
| 03:16.22 | meta-ridley | cpufreq should be compiled in |
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| 03:16.37 | meta-ridley | it is there in my kernel already at least |
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| 03:16.52 | sebas007 | it is a matter of loading the module, I guess? |
| 03:17.00 | meta-ridley | you just need to pick a "governor" |
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| 03:17.09 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 03:17.22 | meta-ridley | there's userspace daemons that you can run that will change the frequency of the cpu for you based on load |
| 03:17.41 | sebas007 | I see the package cpufredq... |
| 03:17.43 | meta-ridley | or you can just have the kernel do it for you |
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| 03:18.05 | sebas007 | what is a "governor" |
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| 03:18.34 | Azar | For the first time this year, NVIDIA has officially published new Linux and Solaris display drivers for their GeForce and Quadro products. |
| 03:18.41 | meta-ridley | it controls when the cpu will scale up or down basically |
| 03:18.52 | shogunx | sebas007 parasite put into place to oversee governmental thievery? at least in florida... |
| 03:19.07 | meta-ridley | i.e. my cpu goes from 666mhz to 1.3ghz based on the load |
| 03:19.21 | magyar | how can I marry a NIC to an IP address? |
| 03:19.23 | meta-ridley | try modprobe cpufreq_powersave |
| 03:19.34 | Azar | :) yep is not in vain I allways prefer nvidia over ati |
| 03:19.48 | Azar | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=439&num=1 |
| 03:19.55 | sebas007 | shogunx: does it look at the election process to make sure it is democratic? |
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| 03:20.00 | thingfish | I have been strictly nvidia for over 5 years. |
| 03:20.23 | shogunx | sebas007 in florida it ensures that it does not, actually;) |
| 03:20.31 | obscuresoul | how do i can configure php with apache and mysql? |
| 03:20.47 | sebas007 | shogunx: it is what I was thinking. ;) |
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| 03:21.21 | magyar | how can I attach a module to a network card on sarge? |
| 03:21.25 | Azar | thingfish: read the specs |
| 03:21.44 | thingfish | ick. that pizza that once tasted so good is now sitting in my stomach like a leaden bag of potatoes. |
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| 03:22.15 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I've loaded the module. cpufreq_powersave |
| 03:22.39 | Azar | Improved compatibility with the latest Linux 2.6 kernels. :) GLX 1.4 and more |
| 03:23.00 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I have installed cpufred also. |
| 03:23.06 | Azar | right in time for the next release of Etch yay! I will buy a new box |
| 03:23.07 | shogunx | Azar using open drivers? |
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| 03:23.37 | Azar | shogunx: no but still it is a step forward... nvidia DID something for linux |
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| 03:23.58 | obscuresoul | there's any manual to configure php with apache and mysql? |
| 03:23.58 | Azar | I mean better than nothing |
| 03:24.17 | shogunx | Azar true. i'm a bit partial to matrox myself. |
| 03:24.29 | Kyral | I can personally vouch for the stability of the new NVidia drivers...granted the machine I installed them on doesn't run Debian (Debian is on my server :P) |
| 03:24.52 | Azar | I use the debianized nvidia driver.. |
| 03:25.06 | Azar | I hope Etch will benefit from this new drivers |
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| 03:25.36 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: how do you know at level your cpu is runing at? I cannot remembre de command... or it is cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 03:25.50 | meta-ridley | yep thats it |
| 03:26.00 | thingfish | I used to care about new versions until I got older and realized that new versions rarely translate into noticeably improved performance. |
| 03:26.02 | shogunx | sebas007 top or htop work pretty well for that. |
| 03:26.18 | meta-ridley | also, if you have the module loaded you have to echo "powersave" to a file in /sys/devices/ i forget what it is exactly |
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| 03:27.05 | meta-ridley | alternatively you can apt-get powernowd which does ondemand frequency scaling.. im currently using it and it works but i still find my ibook is way hotter than in osx |
| 03:27.14 | shogunx | Azar i usually use nv, but for the occasional video game junkieism, i'll use nvidia's drivers. |
| 03:27.19 | sebas007 | shogunx: yes, but I would like to know, if my cpu is in powersaving mode. |
| 03:27.24 | meta-ridley | even when im not doing anything, sitting at a command prompt |
| 03:27.31 | magyar | how can I attach a module to a network card on sarge? |
| 03:27.42 | shogunx | sebas007 you were right then. |
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| 03:28.11 | shogunx | magyar you are trying to turn your network card on? |
| 03:28.23 | Azar | shogunx: to be honest, I like gaming but I never have the time.. so with the "old" hardware I have, and basic Debian Sarge apps... I am ok |
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| 03:28.48 | aidan | rather than *.log, can I do [^php]*.log (all the logs that don't start with 'php |
| 03:28.48 | Azar | meta-ridley: no you are doing something: masturbating penguins |
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| 03:28.57 | meta-ridley | i hate xchat |
| 03:29.07 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I remember now! this is what I was doing "on demand" cpu scaling... I did not know I was with powernowd. |
| 03:29.25 | thingfish | ick azar stop referencing that article. I won't be able to sleep soundly, now. |
| 03:29.29 | meta-ridley | ahh |
| 03:29.33 | Azar | :) |
| 03:29.44 | Azar | now that I remember: tomorrow is Sunday |
| 03:29.50 | thingfish | nasty little penguin penises and all that... |
| 03:29.54 | Azar | looking forward to see the regulars back |
| 03:30.04 | shogunx | Azar the nvidia card i have is quite old... RIVA TNT2, but I do enjoy a game now and then... and the performance gain running celestia is significant. |
| 03:30.14 | Azar | ouch, Riva |
| 03:30.23 | thingfish | yeah that's legacy |
| 03:30.32 | meta-ridley | sebas, what window manager are you using? |
| 03:30.38 | Azar | mine is not that old, built this box in Oct last year |
| 03:30.49 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: you can use gaim to do irc. |
| 03:30.58 | AzianFlu | 14 disks? wow |
| 03:30.59 | Azar | GeForce MX 4000 here |
| 03:31.18 | thingfish | it's all legacy, by the time you get it home. |
| 03:31.22 | Azar | meta-ridley: you can better use irssi, the best irc on linux ever |
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| 03:31.45 | meta-ridley | irssi is weird to configure |
| 03:31.47 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: I use kde, for now. I have compile E17 which is VERY nice but... a bit buggy sometimes. |
| 03:32.12 | shogunx | Azar this box is an athlon2600, but its part of an openmosix cluster that includes some OLD boxen. whenever the load from normal use gets too high, i slap another box on the network. |
| 03:32.37 | Azar | shogunx: impressive |
| 03:33.12 | sebas007 | meta-ridley: you are saying that your ibook is running hot. Do you monitor the temperature somehow? |
| 03:33.32 | meta-ridley | look at ./sys/devices/temperatures |
| 03:33.33 | magyar | shogunx: nope, i am trying to assign module e100 to eth0 and module e1000 to eth1, this was simple as pie in redhat, but on sarge i have already tried a dozen of things but no luck |
| 03:33.39 | shogunx | Azar it works, and I don't have to fork out every 1-2 years for new gear to get reasonable performance. it started its life as a bunch of pentium 100's that I scavenged from a school board dumpster. |
| 03:33.40 | meta-ridley | i think (im in osx at the moment) |
| 03:34.09 | shogunx | magyar e100 loads for both cards when you modprobe it first I take it? |
| 03:35.24 | shogunx | magyar if you built both into the kernel, here is a workaround: build them as modules, then load add e100 THEN e1000 to /etc/modules |
| 03:35.25 | Azar | shogunx: the joy of buying hardware and put them together... |
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| 03:35.42 | shogunx | Azar indeed! |
| 03:35.53 | magyar | shogunx: no, I have three nics, two on board e1000's and on pci-slot e100 , right now eth0=e1000, i need it to eth0=e100 |
| 03:36.59 | shogunx | magyar... do the above. when the e100 kernel module gets loaded, the kernel will assign it eth0 then the module for the two e1000's will get eth1 and eth2 when it loads. |
| 03:38.19 | shogunx | Azar to tell you the truth, the nvidia card came from a friend who gave it to me out of pity when i told him I had a 2meg trident that I was using. |
| 03:41.43 | Azar | test |
| 03:41.43 | Azar | how come I can still be here with connection dead? |
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| 03:42.17 | shogunx | how the hell did that happen? |
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| 03:42.18 | thingfish | bad mojo |
| 03:42.18 | shogunx | must be. |
| 03:42.18 | Azar | ok I am having frequent disconnects and I have no idea what is going on |
| 03:42.19 | Azar | on both boxes |
| 03:42.19 | aidan | I can't find the logrotate script to rotate syslog.log in /var/log, where would it be? |
| 03:42.19 | aidan | Azar: netsplits |
| 03:42.27 | myboxen | aidan: logrotate would be in /etc/crontab |
| 03:42.27 | magyar | shogunx: in redhat I just place "alias eth0 e100" and "alais eth1 e1000" in /etc/modprobe.conf and done |
| 03:42.27 | myboxen | daily hourly something |
| 03:42.27 | shogunx | aidan /etc/cron perhaps? |
| 03:42.27 | unix_infidel | how is debian/linux/kernel support for bluetooth on laptops via bluetooth modem or usb dongle? |
| 03:42.34 | unix_infidel | i'm looking to create a gateway to my dialup isp through my cell phone BT connection. |
| 03:42.50 | Azar | aidan, not here only, my entire gateway is nuked down |
| 03:43.16 | Azar | I guess the router is saying goodbye |
| 03:43.17 | aidan | cron calls logrotate, but I can't find the logrotate conf file which refers to syslog |
| 03:43.17 | shogunx | magyar in debian you just place e100 then e1000 in /etc/modules and you are done. easier in debian.. less keystrokes:) |
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| 03:46.00 | magyar | shogunx: i did it but its not working, first of all i needed tocompile the modules from intel source for e1000 cause the ones in sarge are outdted, now out of three interfaces only one comes up eth0 |
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| 03:46.59 | shogunx | magyar err, replace e1000 with the name of your source compiled module? |
| 03:47.12 | shogunx | e100=eth0 though, correct? |
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| 03:48.18 | magyar | shogunx: e100 is from sarge, the one that i compiled is also called e1000 |
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| 03:49.12 | shogunx | rm the offending e1000 then update-modules |
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| 03:50.58 | shogunx | aidan find /etc -name logrotate.conf | xargs grep syslog gives nothing. looks like rotates all logs equally. |
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| 03:51.21 | magyar | shogunx: how do i remove, you mean rmmod? |
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| 03:51.42 | shogunx | magyar well, yeah, that too. |
| 03:51.49 | aidan | shogunx: but none of the logrotate.d files have a pattern matching syslog, nor does logrotate.conf |
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| 03:52.32 | magyar | shogunx: i have to insert "# pre-up rmmod e1000;modprobe e1000" this in my interfaces file to get the e1000 to work |
| 03:52.55 | vorganna | i'm trying to compile a module for my wifi card but i get "warning: 'cleanup_module' ... undefined!" also a similar one with init_module. does anyone know what that means? |
| 03:52.59 | aidan | shogunx: ah, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/05/msg00776.html |
| 03:53.09 | shogunx | magyar: i'm saying actually delete the module that shipped with debian from /lib/modules/whatever/kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 03:53.13 | magyar | shogunx: not so simple is it, redhat way is simpler |
| 03:53.49 | Kovecses | what the hell is red hat |
| 03:54.15 | shogunx | magyar well, yeah, and a packet calculator is simpler than that, but simple is not always the goal. |
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| 03:55.26 | shogunx | magyar however, if there is no module that presents the wrong results present on your system, and the correct module is there, then, if you load the working e1000 module, it does not work? |
| 03:56.11 | vahvarh | Hello, I'm getting strange issues with keyboard... Changing to another one (even from PS/2 to USB one) did not fix it... |
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| 03:56.56 | Kovecses | vahvarh: sarge? |
| 03:57.00 | shogunx | aidan ahhh. that would do it. |
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| 03:57.21 | vahvarh | Kovecses: no, unstable. |
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| 03:57.29 | notx | is there a way to make xorg auto detect settings and make a xorg.conf file cause each time I make one everything is messed up my display etc.. but if I delete the file and startx it works perfectly |
| 03:57.34 | Kovecses | vahvarh: and have you looked at your xorg.conf? |
| 03:57.48 | shogunx | notx X -configure |
| 03:57.53 | Kovecses | notx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 03:58.26 | vahvarh | Kovecses: Nope. Has it changed lately? (The system was installed more than a year ago and worked happily till yesterday) |
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| 04:00.06 | multi_io | how can I obtain a list of the names and and the versions of all installed packages? dpkg -l gives me a list of the first 14 characters of the names and the versions of all installed packages. |
| 04:00.09 | Kovecses | vahvarh: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:00.14 | notx | thanx |
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| 04:00.46 | streuner | multi_io: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 04:00.49 | multi_io | (which means that the dpkg-query manpage lies) |
| 04:01.29 | vahvarh | hm. where can i get a full keyboard list? |
| 04:01.34 | streuner | *shrug* |
| 04:01.35 | multi_io | streuner: thanks |
| 04:01.46 | streuner | !keymap |
| 04:01.46 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 04:02.09 | multi_io | (well, that's not the real solution either, opbviously, but it's good enough :-\ ) |
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| 04:02.59 | streuner | stop that |
| 04:03.42 | liable | hrm, going to re-install, wonder what i have forgotten to back up.. |
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| 04:04.59 | aFlag | is there a binary for compiling the kernel with tun/tap support or do I have to compile the kernel by myself in order to do it? |
| 04:05.06 | vahvarh | hm. my keyboard is not in list (microsoft ergonomic 4000), though I don't think it will matter. |
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| 04:05.34 | jshriver | anyone know of a IDE x or cli based, that lets you step threw C code as it executes? |
| 04:05.51 | jshriver | Visual Studio and the old Borland compilers are the only ones I know that will do that. |
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| 04:06.58 | Kovecses | w00t firefox 1.5 is in etch |
| 04:07.10 | jshriver | etch? |
| 04:07.17 | Kovecses | yup |
| 04:07.28 | liable | aFlag: the debian kernels have this |
| 04:07.37 | simonrvn | !etch |
| 04:07.37 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
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| 04:08.06 | simonrvn | aFlag: DIY project |
| 04:08.17 | shogunx | jshriver ddd might do the trick for you. |
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| 04:09.07 | jshriver | Silly question but would you recommend updating to testing? My main box I've been using for years was running testing w/o any problems.. since I built my new box and running stable I've had 3 locksup/kernel panics, countless hardware screwups... it's just been insane the past month.. but I dont know if maybe it's a hardware issue or if my other box was just so finely tuned after years of tinkering. |
| 04:09.20 | streuner | multi_io: sed or/and awk should help on that issue |
| 04:10.04 | Kovecses | jshriver: stable should not behave like that |
| 04:10.04 | jshriver | shogunx, hrm think I've used it.. let me load it up it's been years .. |
| 04:10.04 | shogunx | jshriver sounds like a bad stick of ram. |
| 04:10.04 | Kovecses | jshriver: but i find etch just as stable as sarge |
| 04:10.05 | jshriver | hrm ran memtest... |
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| 04:10.22 | jshriver | I think my v4l2 problems might be related to using the Nvidia drivers not sure or have any proof |
| 04:10.31 | jshriver | and I'm using a custom kernel so that might be a prob too |
| 04:10.39 | jshriver | but still confusing |
| 04:10.46 | shogunx | jshriver if your processor is overclocked, that could do it too. |
| 04:11.06 | jshriver | na it's running regular.. |
| 04:11.29 | vahvarh | Still with the keyboard issue - I tried reconfiguring xorg and restarting it, but the problem is still here. |
| 04:11.30 | mhall | jshriver: patched up the BIOS if the updates mention bugs? |
| 04:11.46 | jshriver | another thing I'm worried about is having to many PCI devices.. the board i'm using is used and the integrated sound card is fubar. So I have a pci sound card, pci nic, and a pci hauppauge card. |
| 04:11.47 | mhall | jshriver: memtest86 overnite; they make boot floppies and boot isos also |
| 04:11.50 | simonrvn | jshriver: nvidia module is crashy for some people |
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| 04:11.56 | vahvarh | (tried rebooting to offtopic operating system - works fine |
| 04:11.59 | mhall | jshriver: sound is 'fubar' in what way |
| 04:12.14 | mhall | jshriver: nvidia released a bugfixed rel. of their driver on just apr 7 make sure you have got ity |
| 04:12.25 | simonrvn | still iffy here, like x will just lock up. machine still running |
| 04:12.30 | mhall | jshriver: also disable any unused onboard peripherals to free up IRQs |
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| 04:12.39 | mhall | simonrvn: ! odd |
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| 04:12.52 | mhall | simonrvn: for me everything works better afaict |
| 04:13.00 | simonrvn | i live with it. it's just a workstation |
| 04:13.16 | simonrvn | i just run magic sysreq keys ;) |
| 04:13.20 | jshriver | mhall: can't get anything to use it.. linux detects the integrated card, but no live CD's I've tried can use it, even tried loading windows and it doesnt work.. but I put an old PCI sound card in and it works fine.. and I disabled the integrated sound in the bios.. but when I boot.. linux still detects the integrated sound card evne though alsa is using the pci one.. so wondering if there is some IRQ problems or weird bugs because |
| 04:13.20 | jshriver | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.34 | Tarka | Is anyone having problems submitting bugs? I'm seeing "Service Unavailable". |
| 04:13.41 | jshriver | mhall, awesome! will go grab the new nvidia drivers then :) that might fix my v4l2 problems |
| 04:14.02 | Kovecses | brb |
| 04:14.16 | heeroe | how come 2.6 runs slower than 2.4.27 on my machine? |
| 04:14.18 | mhall | jshriver: i hope so =) |
| 04:14.30 | heeroe | 2.4.27 runs faster |
| 04:14.41 | jshriver | thanks... |
| 04:14.42 | mhall | heeroe: which 2.6 |
| 04:14.48 | mhall | heeroe: how were both set up |
| 04:15.09 | mhall | jshriver: also, you might have to disable that card with jumpers and really go over the bios fine-tooth comb style |
| 04:15.11 | shogunx | jshriver the only problem that i could see happening there would be the extra stress on your power supply. |
| 04:15.18 | shogunx | from the pci cards. |
| 04:15.21 | simonrvn | i can't use their new shite, i'm stuck on 7174 |
| 04:15.24 | mhall | jshriver: and of course memtest86 or perhaps memtest86+ tonite |
| 04:15.30 | mhall | simonrvn: titty biscuits |
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| 04:15.56 | mhall | simonrvn: i feel for you simonrvn; next time i pay tribute to the driver gods i'll put in a good word for you ;) |
| 04:16.09 | simonrvn | hehe thanks |
| 04:16.24 | heeroe | mhall, 2.6.7 |
| 04:16.26 | heeroe | mhall, 2.6.8* |
| 04:16.38 | mhall | simonrvn: btw my buddy the IT guy really appreciate your help with the monitoring apps |
| 04:16.45 | simonrvn | s;ok |
| 04:16.48 | simonrvn | s'ok* |
| 04:16.57 | mhall | simonrvn: he started as IT director last week and he's in full panic mode =) |
| 04:17.02 | simonrvn | eek |
| 04:17.04 | simonrvn | :) |
| 04:17.09 | mhall | yes; quite. |
| 04:17.16 | heeroe | mhall: ? |
| 04:17.29 | mhall | heeroe: hmm yeah with how slow 2.6.x patches are release that's mighty old (btw be more patient ;) |
| 04:17.47 | heeroe | aint 2.4 older? |
| 04:17.48 | mhall | heeroe: you might consider perhaps 2.6.12 series |
| 04:18.39 | heeroe | what you think about 2.6.8-11? |
| 04:18.41 | jshriver | shogunx, hrm you have a really good point... this thing has 3 pci, 1 AGP, 3 HD's and a DVD burner.. 1.7 celeron and only 350 watt PSU :( never thought about that |
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| 04:18.59 | simonrvn | what i need to do is apply the patches manually, build the debian 7174 package with the patches, and install *that* |
| 04:19.12 | Kovecses | java with firefox is really buggy.... with konqueror it is fine... any suggestions? |
| 04:19.16 | simonrvn | i started on it but it was driving me batty |
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| 04:19.24 | simonrvn | don't use FF? :P |
| 04:19.35 | Kovecses | but i like ff |
| 04:19.51 | simonrvn | should've said "useful suggestions" ;) |
| 04:19.53 | Kovecses | and ff used to work great with java |
| 04:20.10 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 04:20.12 | Kovecses | just not since i started using debian |
| 04:21.07 | simonrvn | hmm, work on a web site, or wrestle with the nvidia driver again.... |
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| 04:25.01 | Kovecses | simonrvn: i vote nvidia |
| 04:25.28 | Kovecses | i thought nvidia was supposed to be easy |
| 04:25.37 | simonrvn | good idea. then i can boot to my 2.6.16 kernel with that enabled |
| 04:25.38 | Kovecses | with linux |
| 04:26.15 | simonrvn | it is. just thta with 2.6.16 there was some module handling code changes so it won't work (patches released since to fix that) |
| 04:27.10 | Kovecses | simonrvn: yeah i remember hearing about that |
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| 04:28.41 | Kovecses | mmmmmmm beer |
| 04:29.27 | Kovecses | !beer everyone |
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| 04:30.47 | parsonsd | yay! Beer! |
| 04:31.03 | Kovecses | spaten is good too |
| 04:31.04 | syntrx | dpkg needs to learn to drink crown lager. |
| 04:31.14 | Kovecses | syntrx: teach him |
| 04:31.24 | Kovecses | or natty ice |
| 04:31.31 | parsonsd | mmmm ale |
| 04:31.35 | Kovecses | lol |
| 04:31.50 | Kovecses | i like sam adams boston ale |
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| 04:33.15 | syntrx | "you can get it being a bot, or you can get it on the weekend smokin heaps of pot. you can get it any old how... as a matter of fact, i've got it now. victoria bitter!" |
| 04:34.07 | Kovecses | long trail ale |
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| 04:34.35 | Kovecses | yuengling |
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| 04:36.39 | SonnyBurnett | can somebody tell me why "anjuta" doesn't work in etch? |
| 04:36.42 | Azar | stupid question: if the highest kernel used by Sarge is 2.6.8 will this kernel receive security patches? I only read about patches for 2.6.16 |
| 04:37.46 | parsonsd | brown ale. |
| 04:37.51 | Kovecses | Azar: not sure.... but 2.6.16 is in backports |
| 04:38.28 | Azar | Kovecses: yes, I just read a report about all 2.6 kernel being vulnerable but patch is issued only for a kernel that is not for Sarge |
| 04:38.55 | Kovecses | Azar: so get the one is backports |
| 04:39.31 | Azar | umm and screw all configuration that is actually working |
| 04:39.48 | Azar | that's ok I can live without patch I guess |
| 04:39.49 | Kovecses | Azar: did you have to tweak your config much? |
| 04:40.13 | Azar | yep |
| 04:40.21 | Kovecses | Azar: what wasnt working |
| 04:40.33 | Azar | sound, X... |
| 04:40.49 | Kovecses | Azar: and you will have both kernels in grub.... you can simply test 2.6.16 |
| 04:41.00 | Azar | Iuse lilo |
| 04:41.31 | Kovecses | Azar: with a newer kernel ... sound will most likely work... and what doesn X have to do with kernel versions? |
| 04:41.32 | Azar | uh I am not even sure if we get security patches for kernels so new |
| 04:41.50 | Kovecses | Azar: no probably not |
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| 04:42.40 | Azar | this is so darn strange, my both boxes are losing connection like every 2 hours |
| 04:42.54 | Kovecses | do you use a router? |
| 04:42.54 | Azar | everything is ok, nothing wild... just connection dying |
| 04:43.03 | SlicerDicer- | can somebody please help me I dont know what disk image to get. I am trying to find a net install disk that will allow me to do a small install that will run on a 266mhz machine with 32mb of ram |
| 04:43.09 | Azar | Kovecses: yes and I suspect the router is dying or something |
| 04:43.21 | Kovecses | yeah when my router was dying it did that |
| 04:43.37 | Azar | gah, another $100.00 for a new one damn |
| 04:43.57 | Kovecses | it got so bad it died like every ten minutes |
| 04:44.20 | Azar | I had to pay $200.00 for this one 3 years ago |
| 04:44.30 | parsonsd | azar: find a cheap (free) machine and turn it into one! |
| 04:44.54 | Azar | parsonsd: I am afraid I can't : it is sold by the ISP that provided connection to me: adsl |
| 04:45.00 | Kovecses | Azar: i bought a cheapy from walmart... a linksys for $40 and it has worked for a year without a hitch |
| 04:45.04 | parsonsd | ah |
| 04:45.18 | Kovecses | ah |
| 04:45.24 | Azar | Kovecses: I know what you mean: I have a nice D-Link one but I am notusing it |
| 04:45.46 | Azar | so much money paid for a crappy zyxel |
| 04:45.58 | parsonsd | azar: can't you set that adsl modem to bridge mode and have it just do the dsl-ethernet transation? put something behind it? |
| 04:46.21 | Azar | parsonsd: it has special cabling.. |
| 04:46.28 | parsonsd | azar: oh, wait...nevermind -- if it is the same device, then it won't matter. |
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| 04:46.35 | Azar | those cables are thicker than a regular dsl cable |
| 04:47.00 | parsonsd | azar: curious. what model is it? |
| 04:47.17 | Azar | parsonsd: prestige 600 |
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| 04:50.19 | b1tbkt_ | 'lo |
| 04:50.27 | Kovecses | yo word |
| 04:50.38 | b1tbkt_ | yeah, it was my word |
| 04:50.38 | shogunx | Azar: you sould be able to use any pppoe device to do that, as long as the device is configured properly. |
| 04:50.48 | b1tbkt_ | you can have tho :) |
| 04:51.43 | Kovecses | an idea so amazing that my head would explode if i even began to know what I was talking about |
| 04:52.01 | shogunx | notwithstanding your isp's captive marketing. |
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| 04:52.55 | Azar | well.. I will leave it until monday. my ISP is great, never had a single flick in 3 years |
| 04:53.37 | Azar | they allow mailserver, fileserver, own domain... anything |
| 04:53.58 | shogunx | Azar speakeasy? |
| 04:54.10 | Azar | shogunx: covad |
| 04:55.55 | shogunx | Azar covad is marketed thru speakeasy, iirc. the sdsl circuit i bought from speakeasy once was a covad circuit... and the router they gave me was backdoored. i removed a capacitor from the board and sent it back. |
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| 05:00.45 | shogunx | Kovecses what kind of games do you like? |
| 05:00.46 | parsonsd | shogunx: how'd you see it backdoored? |
| 05:01.01 | Kovecses | shogunx: any really .... |
| 05:01.42 | Kovecses | been playing texas hold em at pokerroom.com for the past 2 hours |
| 05:01.45 | Kovecses | getting bored |
| 05:01.57 | parsonsd | Kovecses: beer! |
| 05:01.58 | shogunx | parsonsd i jacked into the serial port, ran a netstat like app on it, saw an assload of connections, including remote logins. |
| 05:02.14 | parsonsd | shogunx - that's cool |
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| 05:02.52 | shogunx | Kovecses 1st person shooter, side scroller, rpg? |
| 05:03.15 | Kovecses | shogunx: 1st person |
| 05:03.33 | shogunx | Kovecses try nexuiz deathmatch game. |
| 05:03.41 | shogunx | networked. pretty cool. |
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| 05:04.05 | shogunx | parsonsd thanx. |
| 05:04.14 | parsonsd | shogunx, ever figure out how someone fouled it? would need to have been bad firmware update if a hard reset didn't wipe it |
| 05:04.32 | shogunx | parsonsd i think the installer did it. |
| 05:04.33 | parsonsd | shogunx, or just crap to begin with.... |
| 05:04.37 | parsonsd | sweet. |
| 05:04.46 | parsonsd | shogunx, that's hysterical |
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| 05:05.07 | shogunx | he was in my lab for like 2 hours |
| 05:05.33 | parsonsd | yikes. ... check the rest of your hardware for similar rudeness? |
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| 05:06.30 | shogunx | parsonsd i watched him the whole time. he gave me a 10 digit strong password for it when he left, and i portscanned the public ip of the router, and nothing but ssh and http was running. no snmp even. |
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| 05:06.46 | parsonsd | shogunx it's rude, but the gall is pretty funny |
| 05:07.25 | simonrvn | wow, easier than i thought |
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| 05:07.34 | wookienz | i am lokoing for a command to see if the firewall box is accepting and port forwarding to an internal box on the network. My p2p programs dont work correctly so just tying doen which box is in the wrong |
| 05:08.11 | shogunx | parsonsd and he was using bandwidth i was paying a pretty penny for no less. i had his ip for the netstat, and considered retalitating, but i just borked their router and called it a day. |
| 05:08.32 | Bone_Thug | can someone please help me? i am at the ebian prompt, and i logged into my 2nd acocunt,. and i wasin gnome but i presed control+alt+f1, and went back into the prompt, now im stuck there, how do i get back to gnome? sartx doens't work in my second account |
| 05:08.41 | shogunx | ip from the netstat* |
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| 05:08.59 | shogunx | Bone_Thug Alt + F7 |
| 05:09.25 | parsonsd | wookienz, so far my solution is to tcpdump on the external interface -- might want to grep out the useless entries |
| 05:09.40 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: i tried that but it didn't work |
| 05:09.43 | Bone_Thug | oh, wait |
| 05:09.44 | Bone_Thug | no i didn't |
| 05:09.50 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: thanks :) |
| 05:09.56 | shogunx | parsonsd ngrep is great for that one too. |
| 05:10.05 | shogunx | Bone_Thug bud smokers only:) |
| 05:11.18 | parsonsd | shogunx, wookienz, of course, i've still not come up with why the work-provided laptop still doesn't talk to the werk's VPN |
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| 05:11.39 | parsonsd | shogunx not tried -- not seen -- ngrep |
| 05:11.42 | shogunx | jshriver was ddd what you were looking for? |
| 05:12.02 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: that didn't work, i don't know what i did but when iwas in my sercond account, i didn something and went back into the prompt, now i can't get back in' |
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| 05:12.10 | Bone_Thug | and gdm won't start anymore |
| 05:12.15 | Bone_Thug | when i reboot, im at the prompt |
| 05:12.20 | Bone_Thug | what did i do |
| 05:12.21 | shogunx | parsonsd ngrep is great. |
| 05:12.42 | shogunx | Bone_Thug /etc/init.d/gdm restart does nothing? |
| 05:12.52 | parsonsd | 'course, my gateway is an obsd box and i think i might have pf set a little more stong thn i should for the use i need |
| 05:12.59 | netman1 | Bone_Thug: check /var/log/XFree86.log. |
| 05:14.35 | parsonsd | shogunx -- funny thing about it is that the error i come up with is one that says the host is 'unavailable', complete with ICMP error codes |
| 05:15.10 | parsonsd | shogunx, i'll look it up... |
| 05:15.10 | shogunx | parsonsd ipsec? |
| 05:15.10 | simonrvn | now to try this thing. if it works, i'll attach it to my bug report |
| 05:15.13 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: said somehting about cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:15.15 | Bone_Thug | um |
| 05:15.20 | Bone_Thug | what the hell jsut happened |
| 05:15.24 | Bone_Thug | showgunx: i think it work |
| 05:15.26 | Bad|CRC | I just realized how long it has been since I used/installed Debian... |
| 05:15.31 | Bone_Thug | i think i wasn't in the rightr conossle or something |
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| 05:15.36 | Bone_Thug | there are several consoles? |
| 05:15.49 | shogunx | parsonsd what type of vpn is it? |
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| 05:15.57 | Bone_Thug | i'll be rgiht back, let me see if it worked |
| 05:16.17 | parsonsd | bone_thug: if [alt]+f1 is available as a login console, then |
| 05:16.22 | parsonsd | *sigh* nevermind |
| 05:16.37 | parsonsd | shogunx -- cisco |
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| 05:17.18 | parsonsd | shogunx, i serruptitiously nmapped to port 500 and, yeah, it's there |
| 05:17.58 | shogunx | parsonsd check your mtu settings... cisco vpn packets tend to be bigger than normal packets. |
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| 05:18.19 | Bone_Thug | showgunx: |
| 05:18.23 | parsonsd | shogunx.... arg... many man pages. thanks |
| 05:18.48 | Bone_Thug | i don't know whats going on, when i tr y control+alt+f1, it takes me to the prompt as my secondary account, but when i type gdm it says its already running |
| 05:18.58 | Bone_Thug | so in my secondary account, im stuck in the prompt |
| 05:19.02 | Bone_Thug | how do i get back into gnome |
| 05:19.06 | shogunx | parsonsd i was in atlanta several years ago at an IETF conference, and one of the cisco guys could not get his vpn working... |
| 05:19.12 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, have you tried to kill gdm? |
| 05:19.14 | shogunx | that was the problem. |
| 05:19.26 | Bone_Thug | parsond: no |
| 05:19.33 | Bone_Thug | parsond: killall gdm -9? |
| 05:19.41 | Bone_Thug | parsond: then reboot? |
| 05:20.11 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, give it a try -- er, i would just try `kill -9 gdm` --or try with thePID |
| 05:20.11 | shogunx | Bone_Thug killall -9 gdm && /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 05:20.23 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, yeh, don't reboot |
| 05:20.28 | Bone_Thug | ok |
| 05:20.58 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug -- only bother with rebooting if you are testing to see if you really got the start up setup right |
| 05:22.17 | dos000 | is it possible to stop ssh/scp from creating the .ssh/known_hosts file ? |
| 05:22.20 | Bone_Thug | wha |
| 05:22.36 | Bone_Thug | it asked me if iwanted to try another diaplay number, there was alreadya s erver something running on :0 |
| 05:22.43 | Bone_Thug | but i clicked yes and t bought me back here |
| 05:23.03 | Bone_Thug | and when i tried 7 |
| 05:23.06 | Bone_Thug | it brought me back here again |
| 05:23.11 | Bone_Thug | and 8 then did't anything |
| 05:23.19 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug -- reboots are also good if you are so mad at it you'd rather kick it |
| 05:23.43 | parsonsd | shogunx -- oh hell. if that's the case, i may never get cisco stuff right |
| 05:23.49 | Bone_Thug | what did i do wrong? i must have made a mistake and hit something |
| 05:23.52 | shogunx | parsonsd thats called a hard boot, i think. |
| 05:24.03 | Bone_Thug | now gdm isn't working and i can't use gnome with my secondary account |
| 05:24.09 | shogunx | parsonsd i just build my own. |
| 05:24.40 | shogunx | parsonsd ipsec is sexy sweet crypto for that very purpose. |
| 05:25.07 | parsonsd | shogunx, course, none ofthe other techs i work with no a thing about it, and the users are supplied a linksys router |
| 05:25.29 | parsonsd | shogunx, i am the lone linux person |
| 05:25.37 | Bone_Thug | can someone help me, im stuck, gdmwon't start, it says it did though |
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| 05:25.44 | parsonsd | not that we really are supposed to support it |
| 05:26.00 | shogunx | parsonsd of course. i think his box's (it was osx) mtu was set at 1492 and the vpn interface was 1500 |
| 05:26.36 | shogunx | Bone_Thug if it wont start, its already running. does ps -e | grep gdm give you anything? |
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| 05:27.12 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: it possible to stop ssh/scp from creating the .ssh/known_hosts file ? |
| 05:27.18 | Bone_Thug | oops |
| 05:27.19 | Bone_Thug | hold on |
| 05:27.27 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: 4737 ? 00:00:00 gdm |
| 05:27.30 | parsonsd | shogunx,i'm still trying to figure out ipsec for my wife's windows box with my host ap |
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| 05:28.09 | parsonsd | shogunx i thought i had all the stuff working from a 'howto' i found, but the windows end doesn't want to install |
| 05:28.12 | parsonsd | arg. |
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| 05:28.20 | SpAnIaRd | hello |
| 05:28.23 | tyler | so a mac can now run windows xp... so can a windows machine run a mac? |
| 05:28.57 | shogunx | Bone_Thug then it is running. you should be able to use lat + F7 or alt + left key a time or two to get back to you gui. |
| 05:29.00 | SpAnIaRd | i think i need PCMCIA to run before networking start at boot so my network configuration works okay without having to force the device to reload...anyone know how to do this? |
| 05:29.05 | parsonsd | shogunx, with an mtu of only 1492, does that mean the far end thinks it is getting a mal-formed request? |
| 05:29.44 | shogunx | parsonsd well, the way his was set up was like trying to put a 3 inch peg through a 2.95 inch hole. |
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| 05:29.56 | Bone_Thug | ok |
| 05:30.06 | Bone_Thug | showgun: out of the 4 workspaces only this one is one of them |
| 05:30.29 | shogunx | parsonsd but ios on the other end might think its a bad packet. |
| 05:30.32 | Bone_Thug | alt+f7 doens't do anything eitehr |
| 05:30.36 | SpAnIaRd | anyone know how to load PCMCIA before networking at boot? |
| 05:30.46 | shogunx | Bone_Thug are you in gnome now? |
| 05:30.55 | Bone_Thug | yes, as root though |
| 05:31.06 | Bone_Thug | when i try and login as my secondary account, it jsut ttakes me to prompt |
| 05:31.09 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, that's the problem then |
| 05:31.15 | Bone_Thug | well if i logout now, it takes me to login prompt |
| 05:31.17 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, root will need to log out |
| 05:31.30 | Bone_Thug | but when i do logout, it will jsut take me to login prompt |
| 05:31.44 | Bone_Thug | and when i login as my seconary account avont, i will still be at the [rp,[t |
| 05:31.48 | Bone_Thug | prompt* |
| 05:31.49 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, yep -- then login with your user account |
| 05:32.03 | Bone_Thug | i will |
| 05:32.09 | Bone_Thug | but there will be no way to get into gnome |
| 05:33.00 | shogunx | Bone_Thug look at /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 05:33.08 | Bone_Thug | hold on, leyt me try something |
| 05:33.09 | Bone_Thug | brb |
| 05:33.22 | shogunx | it should have this line: allowed_users=console |
| 05:33.22 | dos000 | anyone ever used automated scp copying please raise your hand |
| 05:33.32 | parsonsd | shogunx, what more could he try? |
| 05:33.46 | parsonsd | dos000 automated? |
| 05:33.57 | shogunx | parsonsd well gdm is running, or was when he checked. |
| 05:34.07 | dos000 | parsonsd: it has to be done in a non interactive way |
| 05:34.37 | dos000 | it keeps on asking if i want to add this server to my known hosts list |
| 05:34.41 | parsonsd | dos000, done with an ssh key (`man ssh-keygen`) and a script i imagine |
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| 05:35.05 | dos000 | iam executing scp as www-data user |
| 05:35.13 | shogunx | parsonsd echo "gnome-session" /home/username/.xinitrc ? |
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| 05:35.26 | Bone_Thug | omfg |
| 05:35.30 | Bone_Thug | i loged out |
| 05:35.35 | Bone_Thug | and then ias at login prompt |
| 05:35.38 | Bone_Thug | so i login as avont |
| 05:35.43 | Bone_Thug | then im still at prompt |
| 05:35.53 | Bone_Thug | and itried alt-control+f7, and it stayed there |
| 05:36.09 | shogunx | dos000 you probably need to use ssh-keys for authentication. |
| 05:36.22 | dos000 | parsonsd: i am trying to execute an scp as the www-data user. it want to created a /var/www.ssh directory ??? |
| 05:36.31 | shogunx | Bone_Thug not ctrl+alt+f7 just alt+f7. |
| 05:36.37 | dos000 | shogunx: i am already .. |
| 05:36.48 | shogunx | dos000 so far, so good:) |
| 05:36.53 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: taht didn't work either |
| 05:37.17 | dos000 | shogunx: i cant stop it from creating the /var/www/.ssh directory ? |
| 05:37.22 | shogunx | Bone_Thug are you on a compaq? |
| 05:37.41 | Bone_Thug | ....no |
| 05:37.42 | Bone_Thug | del |
| 05:37.45 | Bone_Thug | dell* |
| 05:37.52 | parsonsd | dos000, that isn't something i've done, but perhaps sudo scp? |
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| 05:38.04 | shogunx | Bone_Thug alt +f7 gives you a blank screen? |
| 05:38.06 | parsonsd | dos000 so you're doing it as someone else (yourself)? |
| 05:38.29 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: alt-f7, doesn't give me anything |
| 05:38.32 | Bone_Thug | nothing happens |
| 05:38.38 | Bone_Thug | i jstu sit there at the prompt like normal |
| 05:38.47 | shogunx | dos000 create /var/www/.ssh as root, so its unwritable by www-data? |
| 05:38.56 | dos000 | parsonsd: i am trying to mimick the permissions of the php user which will be executing the script |
| 05:39.00 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug -- what is at [alt]-f1? |
| 05:39.10 | shogunx | for those of you who were wondering, yes, i make lots of nasty kludges. |
| 05:39.14 | Bone_Thug | i never tried it |
| 05:39.17 | Bone_Thug | let me go try it |
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| 05:40.01 | parsonsd | why does bone_thug keep logging out? |
| 05:40.08 | dos000 | parsonsd: the script is called from a php applications. so the user who will be executing this is www-data |
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| 05:40.24 | mhall | shogunx: you say that were if it good =) |
| 05:40.36 | shogunx | parsonsd minor case of cranial rectal inversion? |
| 05:41.04 | parsonsd | dos000, sorry, best i can suggest is try something like what shogunx suggested. |
| 05:41.11 | parsonsd | dos000, i've no idae |
| 05:41.57 | wad | I'm kind of newish to linux. I set up a box at home, as a web server, mail server, etc. Runs headless in my basement. I installed SUSE 10 on it, by default, because that's what we use at work. But it seems that Smart People I know are using debian. Could someone point me to some documentation that will teach me the basic differences between these two linux distributions? |
| 05:42.13 | dos000 | shogunx:var/www is already owned by root |
| 05:42.14 | shogunx | mhall you do what you have to do sometimes. i learned that installing car stereos... if the alan wrench set is all the way across the install bay, and the torx wrench in your pocket will work, don't bother getting up. |
| 05:42.30 | shogunx | dos000 can www-data write to it? |
| 05:42.38 | parsonsd | shogunx, seems like that would render either everyone able to read the id_rsa key or no one |
| 05:43.02 | shogunx | parsonsd noone, most likely, depending on permissions. |
| 05:43.11 | parsonsd | shogunx, might not matter if the keyset is specified, tho |
| 05:43.35 | shogunx | parsonsd thats a good point. |
| 05:43.42 | dos000 | shogunx: i dont like it ... can i not just decide where ssh will put his junk ? |
| 05:44.03 | parsonsd | shogunx, well, i'm thinking that if no one can read it, then no key can be used |
| 05:44.06 | shogunx | dos000 you are right, there is probably a better solution. hold on... |
| 05:44.24 | dos000 | i tried -B with no result |
| 05:44.46 | parsonsd | dos000, default location for the stuff is $HOME, but i doubt that www-data gets a home |
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| 05:44.51 | shogunx | try -i or -F |
| 05:45.11 | dos000 | shogunx: i am already using -i |
| 05:45.25 | mhall | shogunx: lol |
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| 05:45.55 | mhall | !bitchslap parsonsd |
| 05:45.59 | mhall | parsonsd: www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh |
| 05:46.23 | parsonsd | *pardon me* |
| 05:46.26 | Garda | is there an RSS reader that shows news feeds in a scrolling bar, kinda like the bottom of CNN |
| 05:46.30 | mhall | parsonsd: ;-) |
| 05:46.34 | parsonsd | mhall i stand corrected |
| 05:46.38 | b1tbkt_ | don't suppose anyone knows what the deb equiv of bsd pam's 'template_user' is? |
| 05:46.54 | mhall | parsonsd: nyuk nyuk nyuk |
| 05:47.05 | simonrvn | i do believe i have a patch for nvidia-glx-legacy kernel module :) |
| 05:47.17 | simonrvn | i just need to test it |
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| 05:47.33 | dos000 | mhall: anything wrong if ssh creates its know hosts in var/www/ .. it seems so odd ! |
| 05:48.28 | shogunx | dos000 change www-data's home directory in /etc/passwd perhaps? |
| 05:48.29 | mhall | dos000: i'm trying to think about if it might be a security issue |
| 05:48.52 | shogunx | dos000 to something more sane that the whole internet can't get to. |
| 05:49.12 | parsonsd | mhall, that's a good point. why do i have a www-data user (yeah yeah, same line) when i don't have httpd running..? |
| 05:49.26 | mhall | parsonsd: it's a stock component of debian |
| 05:49.27 | shogunx | dos000 unless apache chroots, which would then be bad. |
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| 05:50.41 | dos000 | mhall: the weird thing is no one can stop ssh from creating these stupid files |
| 05:51.00 | shogunx | parsonsd it creates the user when its installed. as long as it has /bin/false as its shell and no string for the password in /etc/shadow, it should be no problem. |
| 05:51.00 | mhall | dos000: correct; it tracks server fingerprints for security reasons |
| 05:51.42 | shogunx | oh, sorry, not the bin/false part. |
| 05:51.52 | shogunx | that would break things too, methinks. |
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| 05:53.28 | shogunx | how about scp -o with the UserKnownHostsFile variable set that way. |
| 05:53.36 | parsonsd | shogunx, just looking at that -- wondered why default was a real shell |
| 05:53.46 | shogunx | cgi-bin |
| 05:54.01 | parsonsd | but i don't have web running, so whoopie. |
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| 05:54.03 | shogunx | www-data must be able to execute cgi apps. |
| 05:54.12 | parsonsd | i *do* have smbd running. weird. |
| 05:54.20 | dos000 | shogunx: good for me then |
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| 05:54.52 | shogunx | dos000 cool. |
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| 05:55.32 | Roey | hi |
| 05:55.42 | shogunx | parsonsd not sure on the old windows ipsec problem. i solved your particular issue there by giving my wife a server and an xterminal to work from. |
| 05:56.26 | Roey | why is it that when I issue xfs_repair -n /dev/hdb5, it tells me that /dev/hdb5 "contains a mounted and writable filesystem" followed by "fatal error -- couldn't initialize XFS library"?? It's not mounted at all! In fact, I umounted it before issuing the command. |
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| 05:58.09 | shogunx | Roey what does /etc/mtab say about it? |
| 05:58.31 | mada | here's the senario: i have a server running debian and then i have a group of machines also running debian, how would i go about configuring the group of workstations to get all their updates from the server and do so automatically? |
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| 06:00.03 | shogunx | mada set your server as the host called in /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade from a cron job on the workstations, after first building your repository of packages on the server. |
| 06:00.12 | parsonsd | shogunx, i'd like to do that -- she likes gnome's look, she particularly enjoys that Epiphany has feet (their logo) and everyone seems to enjoy some of the xscreensaver screensavers, but activex provides her with a remote login at work. |
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| 06:00.32 | dos000 | is there a way to make scp create the direcotories ala (mkdir -p) when you copy a file ? |
| 06:00.39 | Bone_Thug | showgunx: you still here? that alt f1 or f7 didn't work |
| 06:00.44 | mada | shogunx: do i need to do anything with apt-proxy? |
| 06:00.58 | shogunx | parsonsd we don't have a client for her work login app? |
| 06:01.24 | shogunx | parsonsd tho i would personally say her having to do work at home is a security breach:) |
| 06:01.53 | Bone_Thug | i have no idea whats wrong |
| 06:01.57 | shogunx | mada should not have to. |
| 06:02.15 | Bone_Thug | says gdm already running, but when i logout gdm isn't there, takes me to prompt |
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| 06:02.37 | mada | shogunx: awesome, thanks a million |
| 06:02.42 | shogunx | Bone_Thug there are several "virtual consoles" stop me if you know this. |
| 06:02.42 | Roey | shogunx: it doesn't show in there. |
| 06:02.55 | Roey | shogunx: /dev/hdb5 /media xfs defaults,users,rw,auto 0 0 |
| 06:03.00 | Roey | shogunx: that's in /etc/fstab |
| 06:03.04 | mada | Bone_Thug: what runtime you in? (sorry to jump in, i just kinda over-read) |
| 06:03.07 | Roey | shogunx: and /media still doesn't mount on startup for some reason |
| 06:03.21 | eps | grr the samba package still isn't fixed! |
| 06:03.22 | shogunx | Roey so you cannot mount that partition at all? |
| 06:03.37 | Bone_Thug | well howdo i figure out what virtual console im in, and even so, i rebooted, so i should be bakc in regular console anyway |
| 06:03.49 | mada | eps: samba is a pain in the ass and it seems to work when it feels like it |
| 06:03.49 | shogunx | Bone_Thug 1-6 correspond to alt+F1-6 |
| 06:03.50 | parsonsd | shogunx, i have *no* idea. never looked. her app is a plugin to IE; Citrix, i think. looks lke the one they use at my werk |
| 06:04.20 | eps | mada indeed :| ...oh well, good thing I don't have any windows pcs left now |
| 06:04.22 | shogunx | parsonsd i think we have an open source way to access citrix. |
| 06:04.34 | parsonsd | shogunx -- that would be darn amusing |
| 06:05.08 | shogunx | Bone_Thug type who and it will tell you which tty (virtual console) you are on. |
| 06:05.10 | parsonsd | shogunx -- now all we need is a browser that renders as oddly as IE so that she can test webpages. :) |
| 06:05.20 | shogunx | parsonsd opera! |
| 06:05.55 | wad | Maybe make an X-enabled lynx... |
| 06:06.07 | simonrvn | now to reboot to the .16 kernel and test it ;) |
| 06:06.11 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: says" root tty1 |
| 06:06.16 | Bone_Thug | avont tty4 |
| 06:06.17 | Roey | shogunx: I can |
| 06:06.20 | Bone_Thug | avont tty6 |
| 06:06.21 | shogunx | Bone_Thug anyway, X usually binds to tty7 |
| 06:06.25 | Bone_Thug | root pts/0 |
| 06:06.30 | Roey | shogunx: I end up mounting it with "mount /media" after the system starts up. |
| 06:06.39 | Roey | shogunx: I thought 'auto' makes it mount on bootup. |
| 06:06.52 | Roey | shogunx: or is the 'users' option preventing auto-mount? |
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| 06:07.21 | Bone_Thug | showgun: i jsut did control+alt+6, and i was at the prompt logged in as avont |
| 06:07.28 | Bone_Thug | but how do i get back into gnome when im there? |
| 06:07.34 | shogunx | Bone_Thug so you are logged in on tty4 and tty6 as your user, and logged in remotely as root, it loos like. |
| 06:07.53 | shogunx | Bone_Thug do a ps-e | grep gdm again. |
| 06:08.18 | shogunx | Roey i though you had to specify noauto to keep it from mounting at boot. |
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| 06:08.37 | unix_infidel | how is bluetooth support in debian / linux / the kernel? i'm looking to setup a gateway to my dialup isp though my cell phone using a bluetooth gateway? |
| 06:08.38 | Roey | shogunx: basically I'm trying to find which files these bad sectors affect. I thought that xfs_repair -n would show the inodes that those blocks affect.. and then I can use xfs_db to show which files those inodes map to |
| 06:08.44 | Roey | shogunx: dunno |
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| 06:09.08 | Roey | shogunx: as I said, the bigger problem at this point is finding out which files got trashed. |
| 06:09.09 | shogunx | Roey... i have never played with xfs... |
| 06:09.12 | Roey | shogunx: ok |
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| 06:09.17 | Bone_Thug | showgunx: 4737 ? 00:00:00 gdm |
| 06:09.19 | Roey | shogunx: thanks anyway :) |
| 06:09.27 | shogunx | Roey sorry. |
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| 06:10.02 | shogunx | Bone_Thug do alt+f6 to get to your user login, then do alt+right arrow |
| 06:10.17 | shogunx | Bone_Thug see if you get a blank screen or gnome. |
| 06:10.23 | Bone_Thug | ok |
| 06:10.24 | Bone_Thug | hang on |
| 06:10.54 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: it took me back here |
| 06:10.56 | Bone_Thug | to gnome |
| 06:10.57 | Bone_Thug | as root |
| 06:11.20 | unix_infidel | anyone? |
| 06:11.29 | lnc | how do you upgrade your kernel? |
| 06:11.44 | lnc | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:11.52 | shogunx | ok. do ctrl+alt+backspace OR /etc/init.d/gdm restart. that should bring you to a gdm login window. then login as your user. |
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| 06:11.59 | lnc | i mean from stable to stable, i just need the latest version |
| 06:12.00 | starfishy | thats a bit drastic if you only want to upgrade your kernel |
| 06:12.15 | lnc | what you mean? |
| 06:12.17 | starfishy | sudo aptitude install linux-image-<version> |
| 06:12.17 | uwe | um, whats the name of the php stand alone package in debian? |
| 06:12.26 | starfishy | that upgrades only the kernel |
| 06:12.40 | lnc | what do i need to upgrade then, other than kernel |
| 06:12.56 | lnc | i tried upgrading to 2.6, but it was so damn slow |
| 06:13.03 | starfishy | what was slow? |
| 06:13.06 | starfishy | the kernel? |
| 06:13.07 | shogunx | parsonsd tsclient does the citrix. |
| 06:13.13 | lnc | my machine |
| 06:13.18 | lnc | with 2.6 kernel |
| 06:13.22 | parsonsd | starfishy -- he needs modules, too, no? |
| 06:13.42 | starfishy | modules are in the kernel-image package |
| 06:13.54 | parsonsd | shogunx -- holy moly. |
| 06:13.54 | lnc | i installed headers too |
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| 06:14.23 | shogunx | parsonsd time to set your wife free:) |
| 06:14.26 | Bone_Thug | showgunx: when o did control+ alt+ backsapce, it jsut took my back to prompt |
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| 06:14.54 | lnc | Bone_Thug: try /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 06:14.57 | shogunx | Bone_Thug gdm did not restart with a graphic login? |
| 06:15.05 | lnc | then ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 06:15.14 | Bone_Thug | ok, let m,e try lnc |
| 06:15.24 | shogunx | lnc ohh, hung process maybe? |
| 06:15.37 | lnc | i guess |
| 06:15.44 | parsonsd | bone_thug may need to su or sudo to stop gdm |
| 06:16.07 | shogunx | parsonsd he is logged into gdm as root. |
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| 06:16.24 | parsonsd | shogunx -- got it, he irc's as root |
| 06:16.25 | lnc | anyone starfishy. what do i need , other the kernel the headers? |
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| 06:17.16 | Bone_Thug | OMFG!!!! GAHH |
| 06:17.29 | Bone_Thug | i did what you said lnc, it took my back to prompt, so i logged in as root |
| 06:17.38 | lnc | why root? |
| 06:17.43 | Bone_Thug | then typed "gdm", i got a blank screen, then went back to prompt |
| 06:17.53 | lnc | what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 06:17.55 | lnc | LOL |
| 06:18.02 | starfishy | inc: you only need the kernel |
| 06:18.10 | Bone_Thug | get gdm working again, and log into my "avont" account |
| 06:18.16 | starfishy | the headers are only necessary if you want to compile something that needs kernel headers |
| 06:18.21 | shogunx | Bone_Thug breathe. what does /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config say? |
| 06:19.00 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: ok, let me check, im jsut so frstrated, |
| 06:19.25 | lnc | ey, what do you call that 'panel' that contains clock, weather, cpu load, mem load, etc? |
| 06:19.35 | lnc | is there one for gnome? |
| 06:19.50 | unix_infidel | gnome-panel |
| 06:19.51 | shogunx | gnome-panel i think? |
| 06:19.54 | lnc | lol |
| 06:19.55 | unix_infidel | is the name of the app. |
| 06:19.56 | lnc | not that |
| 06:20.04 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: http://pastebin.com/649009 |
| 06:20.08 | Coweater | gnome-applets has a weather thing |
| 06:20.09 | unix_infidel | lnc: those are plugins. |
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| 06:20.13 | unix_infidel | gdesklets |
| 06:20.16 | lnc | yeah |
| 06:20.20 | lnc | i think its that |
| 06:20.22 | lnc | wait a sec |
| 06:20.26 | unix_infidel | wow. |
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| 06:20.30 | Luckys | which .jigdo file is the latest to be downloaded |
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| 06:20.46 | lnc | i was talkin to Coweater, unix_infidel |
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| 06:21.21 | Luckys | there are so many files listed here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 06:21.31 | unix_infidel | anyone for the bluetooth question above? |
| 06:21.42 | unix_infidel | also, how is the usb usb support? |
| 06:21.43 | shogunx | Bone_Thug try changing allowed_users=console to allowed_users=anybody |
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| 06:22.09 | shogunx | then try to login as your user, after first logging out of the root gnome session. |
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| 06:22.38 | Luckys | ? |
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| 06:23.05 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: done...reboot? |
| 06:23.21 | michael117 | How can I figure out what program is tied to a certain port? |
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| 06:23.49 | shogunx | Bone_Thug from a root shell AT THE CONSOLE, /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 06:24.06 | parsonsd | michael117 netstat tells this somewhat. lots of info there tho |
| 06:24.11 | shogunx | Bone_Thug then try to login to gdm as your avant user |
| 06:24.26 | aredhel | michael117, netstat -p |
| 06:24.33 | Luckys | do I need all the debian-31r1-i386-binary-12.jigdo binaries? |
| 06:24.39 | parsonsd | michael117, if you mean what should be tied to a port, `less /etc/services` |
| 06:24.45 | shogunx | michael117 /etc/sercives and nmap -sS -v localhost might give you some info too. |
| 06:24.54 | Bone_Thug | showgun |
| 06:24.55 | Bone_Thug | help |
| 06:24.56 | Bone_Thug | this mwesage |
| 06:24.57 | Bone_Thug | keeps |
| 06:25.03 | Bone_Thug | coming |
| 06:25.04 | Bone_Thug | up |
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| 06:25.26 | shogunx | Bone_Thug what is the message? |
| 06:25.32 | Bone_Thug | aboutx server already runnoing on :0 |
| 06:25.35 | Luckys | :( |
| 06:25.36 | Bone_Thug | and i kept picking no |
| 06:26.00 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, try picking 'yes' |
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| 06:26.06 | shogunx | Bone_Thug killall -9 gdm && /etc/init.d/gdm restart try that one. |
| 06:26.30 | shogunx | Luckys need? probably not. |
| 06:26.33 | parsonsd | shogunx dont forget 'as root at the console' |
| 06:26.35 | Bone_Thug | ok, wait, next time th emesaage comes u in like 1 minute |
| 06:26.37 | Bone_Thug | i'll pick yes |
| 06:26.55 | shogunx | parsonsd sigh... |
| 06:27.08 | Luckys | shogunx, i downloaded jigdo, now which is the latest .jigdo file I need to specify to the jigdo-lite |
| 06:27.09 | michael117 | Oh, okay, thanks |
| 06:27.22 | parsonsd | shogunx, ever feel like other hobbies? |
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| 06:27.53 | shogunx | parsonsd i surf, sculpt, and a few other things. |
| 06:27.55 | Bone_Thug | shogunx: ok, i picked yes ths time,and it took me back here |
| 06:28.06 | michael117 | I'm trying to set up lighttpd and I put in "lighttpd -f lighttpd.conf" and keep getting the error message about port 80 already being in use |
| 06:28.13 | shogunx | Bone_Thug i do not know where here is. |
| 06:28.40 | Bone_Thug | what do i do now? im serious i relaly need to get this working |
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| 06:28.58 | Luckys | shogunx, ? |
| 06:29.34 | shogunx | Luckys binary-12 is the 12th disc in the set. you should only need binary-1 to install. |
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| 06:30.04 | mithro | which package contains the man pages for malloc and similar? |
| 06:30.32 | Bone_Thug | showgunx: what shoud i do now? |
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| 06:30.35 | shogunx | Bone_Thug you still cannot log in to gdm as your user? like, you login, and it gives you what? |
| 06:30.36 | Luckys | shogunx, so on the jogdo prompt: i'll have this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.jigdo correct? |
| 06:30.52 | shogunx | Luckys that should work. |
| 06:31.04 | Luckys | shogunx, there 12 CD's for debian? |
| 06:31.04 | kblin | mithro: should that come with libc? |
| 06:31.09 | Bone_Thug | showgun |
| 06:31.11 | Luckys | there are* |
| 06:31.13 | Bone_Thug | so logout now? |
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| 06:31.16 | shogunx | Luckys 14 i think. |
| 06:31.18 | Bone_Thug | and see if it takes me to gdm |
| 06:31.26 | Luckys | only for the OS? |
| 06:31.27 | Bone_Thug | if i logout, and it take sme back to prompt then what? |
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| 06:31.49 | mithro | i tried libc6-doc but it doesn't seem to contain them |
| 06:31.49 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug -- my gdm has a menu item for logout. when you logout, it will either shutdown gdm and take you to a console prompt, or it will present a login box |
| 06:31.55 | shogunx | Bone_Thug then something is seriously fucked up with gdm |
| 06:32.07 | michael117 | How can I make netstat include servers in its listings? |
| 06:32.19 | zwol | Anyone tried to run gnucash on unstable from this week? I am seeing no text for any of the chrome (menus, toolbars, column heads, ...) -- makes the program basically unusable |
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| 06:32.44 | Bone_Thug | parsond: i can't get into gdm |
| 06:32.59 | shogunx | Bone_Thug better yet, do this, as root, from the console: /etc/init.d/gdm stop then login to the console as avant, and startx |
| 06:33.20 | Luckys | I'ts so confusing, I can't understand anything |
| 06:33.24 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, if you choose that, and it takes you to a login prompt, goto one of the other console's users and run `gdm` from there. |
| 06:33.34 | Luckys | now this CD1 won't be a bootable one? |
| 06:33.34 | kblin | mithro: which debian version? |
| 06:33.38 | shogunx | michael117 netstat -a |
| 06:34.03 | shogunx | Luckys for the os, and ALL the packages. |
| 06:34.23 | shogunx | Luckys but you really only need the first one. |
| 06:34.28 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug i would imagine that if you are gettng messages to click on, you're running some X and maybe even a desktop manager |
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| 06:34.40 | Bone_Thug | GRRR!!!! |
| 06:34.46 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug i would imagine that if you are gettng messages to click on, you're running some X and maybe even a desktop manager |
| 06:34.52 | Bone_Thug | i logged out and it took me to the prompt |
| 06:35.00 | Luckys | shogunx, and it won't be a bootable cd, I mean there'd be an installer which'll guide me through correct? |
| 06:35.01 | kblin | mithro: I guess debian kicked out the LGPL man page for being non-free |
| 06:35.05 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, then what did you do |
| 06:35.11 | Bone_Thug | i don't know |
| 06:35.20 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, that presents a problem |
| 06:35.20 | kblin | anyway, off I go |
| 06:35.22 | shogunx | Luckys bootable cd yes, installer yes. |
| 06:35.27 | mithro | kblin: unstable |
| 06:35.37 | Luckys | geez, I was scared |
| 06:35.46 | kblin | mithro: yeah, what I said about the bad non-free GPL |
| 06:36.12 | kblin | mithro: if you're lucky, there's a deb in non-free for it |
| 06:36.25 | Bone_Thug | parsond: i don't know what happened, i think i hit some buttons by acident and it took me to the prompt, now ever since i havn't see gdm |
| 06:38.21 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, so that is what you did *right after* you logged off? |
| 06:38.33 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug you hit some buttons? |
| 06:38.48 | Bone_Thug | let me try choosing xdm, rebooting, then choosing gdm again, and see if it works then |
| 06:39.02 | Bone_Thug | partsond: yes i hit some buttons |
| 06:39.21 | parsonsd | Bone_Thug, yes, it sounds like rebooting might solve it |
| 06:39.30 | liable | sheesh, oo is a huge bunch of packages to install.. |
| 06:40.35 | parsonsd | shogunx, think he'd just give it away anyway? that'd be funny |
| 06:40.49 | shogunx | i wonder if he would do it in the open channel:) |
| 06:41.07 | parsonsd | shogunx, sure |
| 06:41.15 | Luckys | shogunx, its stuck at Connecting to cdimage.debian.org[130.239.18.151]:80... failed: No such file or directory. Retrying. |
| 06:41.59 | shogunx | Luckys hold on, the filename is wrong. |
| 06:42.10 | parsonsd | shogunx, he's not likely registered |
| 06:42.20 | parsonsd | shogunx, might not be able to do it any other way |
| 06:42.23 | Luckys | at jigdo prompt I gave this jigdo:http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.jigdo |
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| 06:42.43 | shogunx | parsonsd but then he has no box, as someone would surely take advantage. |
| 06:43.09 | parsonsd | shogunx -- oops |
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| 06:43.23 | shogunx | :) |
| 06:43.30 | shogunx | Luckys http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.jigdo |
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| 06:43.34 | thecreator | yo yo all, was hapenen? |
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| 06:44.12 | parsonsd | shogunx, tsclient installed. minor modification to the fw, then it is off to try! |
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| 06:44.31 | parsonsd | shogunx, well, in the morning when she is awake |
| 06:44.38 | shogunx | parsonsd oh my. it would just be too cruel. |
| 06:44.54 | parsonsd | shogunx ?? |
| 06:45.04 | shogunx | parsonsd bonethug |
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| 06:45.19 | thecreator | so you can limit the chan list. |
| 06:45.58 | Luckys | shogunx, still no such file name or directory :( |
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| 06:46.09 | shogunx | thats cool on the tsclient. i hope she digs it. |
| 06:46.32 | parsonsd | shogunx ... ah. yeh. well, it's "thug-style" |
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| 06:46.49 | shogunx | parsonsd bah ha ha. |
| 06:47.23 | shogunx | Luckys i'm looking at it on cdimage.debian.org now |
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| 06:48.04 | shogunx | Luckys i see the jigdo file there on the server. |
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| 06:49.10 | parsonsd | oh here's an amusing feature of the gdm terminal when using irssi -- the alt key code to get back to a particular channel won't work when that channel coincides with the number of a tab. |
| 06:49.53 | Luckys | shogunx, I'm on windows right now |
| 06:50.33 | shogunx | Luckys in a browser: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 06:50.55 | Luckys | yes, I'm already on that |
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| 06:51.37 | parsonsd | luckys -- can't you cut & paste the jigdo file name into the file locater thingy? |
| 06:51.40 | shogunx | Luckys maybe download the .jigdo file to local disk and point jigdo-lite at it? |
| 06:51.50 | parsonsd | luckys -- i know nothing about jigdo |
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| 06:53.35 | unix_infidel | anyone here have a targus defcon lock w/ alarm for their laptop? |
| 06:54.26 | Luckys | shogunx, I need the template file as well if I download the .jigdo locally? |
| 06:54.38 | parsonsd | shogunx tsclient has a pretty front end |
| 06:54.40 | shogunx | probably Luckys |
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| 06:55.10 | shogunx | parsonsd really? i liked the remote X with xnest feature also. |
| 06:55.21 | shogunx | at least the description thereof/ |
| 06:55.57 | parsonsd | i can't find a man page or something more about it ... prolly need to see their webpage to see what else there is and how to control it |
| 06:56.38 | parsonsd | shogunx what is xnest? |
| 06:57.01 | shogunx | parsonsd lets you run one instance of a window manager or such as a window under another. |
| 06:57.30 | shogunx | parsonsd apt-cache show xnest |
| 06:57.33 | parsonsd | hmm might make testing out other wm's easier |
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| 06:57.51 | shogunx | parsonsd yep. |
| 06:57.59 | foo | I am trying to install a kernel I made in debian but I get this: Could not find mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird. at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 236, <STDIN> line 9. - any ideas? |
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| 06:59.04 | parsonsd | i'd dearly love some wm that looks vaguely like openlook but is more modern .... too many wm's go for the windows look-and-feel. all the others go for mac's aqua. bleh. i like neither |
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| 07:00.19 | parsonsd | 'course, i'm not too big on motif, either. *sigh* i guess i'll keep wishing till i have time & clue enough to make my own.... |
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| 07:01.02 | shogunx | parsonsd windowmaker is like nextstep... looks like there is one called openbox too. |
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| 07:01.48 | parsonsd | shogunx now, one that looks like GEM would be a blast from the past. |
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| 07:02.51 | shackcore | hey has anyone had success with the ati-fglrx drivers in unstable |
| 07:03.11 | LordNazgul | fluxbox is the wm for me |
| 07:03.12 | shogunx | parsonsd i'm lind of liking Enlighenment R17. |
| 07:03.44 | shogunx | LordNazgul I use fluxbox on an internet cafe terminal server as its SO lightweight. |
| 07:03.58 | LordNazgul | i use it on my 400mhz servers for the same reason |
| 07:04.03 | shogunx | LordNazgul are there programmable keyboard binding in there? |
| 07:04.08 | LordNazgul | yep |
| 07:04.19 | LordNazgul | there is a how-to on the fluxbox website |
| 07:04.25 | shogunx | LordNazgul cool. |
| 07:04.29 | argent | fluxbox does not give the full menu under debian |
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| 07:04.46 | shogunx | parsonsd gem is perhaps before my time. |
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| 07:04.52 | marx | Ion3 is pretty nice |
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| 07:05.07 | LordNazgul | argetn, true, but you can make it. all you have to do is create an entry for a particular thing |
| 07:05.10 | Luckys | I'm not able to get it work |
| 07:05.28 | parsonsd | fluxbox looks alright, but i guess what really irks me is the widgets and where they go |
| 07:05.36 | parsonsd | in relationship to the window fram |
| 07:05.40 | parsonsd | frame, even |
| 07:05.41 | Luckys | I pointed to the .jigdo file on the C:\ and then it asked me to select mirror |
| 07:05.49 | LordNazgul | argent by expanding on this thought you can actually create little mini scripts as menu items |
| 07:06.04 | shogunx | Luckys di it give you a list of mirrors? |
| 07:06.16 | Luckys | then I gave ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ for the mirror and then the errors |
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| 07:06.34 | Luckys | shogunx, I typed de, us etc. but it keeps repeating the same message |
| 07:06.49 | argent | LordNazgul: nah, even though i liked fluxbox when i ran it under fedora, i prefer kde on debian |
| 07:07.24 | shogunx | Luckys hmm... bypass the jigdo for now and get it via torrent or http/ftp... I don't know hwat to tell you otherwise, but want you to have that wholesome debian goodness. |
| 07:07.33 | LordNazgul | argetn i was the opposite, when i was running fedora (which is pretty bloated as it is) i ran kde. my debian systems are much more lightweight |
| 07:08.58 | LordNazgul | i got started with linux on fedora, after about 6 months i made the switch to debian and havent looked back since. |
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| 07:11.59 | laludelala | Hallo! |
| 07:12.06 | Luckys | I downloaded gentoo via http and it took 8 hours, how long with jigdo take for the same size of an iso? |
| 07:12.37 | jetscreamer | that would depend if your pipe got full |
| 07:13.14 | jetscreamer | you should probably just find yourself a faster mirror Luckys |
| 07:13.41 | jetscreamer | or a closer one |
| 07:13.41 | shogunx | jetscreamer: i wish my pipe was full now. |
| 07:14.04 | Luckys | jetscreamer, I'm not able to get jigdo-lite work |
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| 07:14.36 | jetscreamer | Luckys: try bittorrent instead, or like i said, find a faster mirror to ftp the iso from |
| 07:14.47 | jetscreamer | wget -c |
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| 07:16.39 | parsonsd | shogunx while back you mentioned that cisco guythat had vpn probs... he had a wrongly set mtu -- what did he have to set it to? |
| 07:16.41 | Luckys | jetscreamer, jigdo claims to be faster, but how much fast would that be |
| 07:17.47 | shogunx | parsonsd the mtu of his ethernet interface was 1492 and his vpn interface was 1500 |
| 07:17.48 | laludelala | In xterm my ALT-key does not work, how can I setup it to work? |
| 07:17.51 | jetscreamer | Luckys: no idea, but if a server can fill your pipe with wget or ftp, jigdo can't get any faster |
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| 07:18.46 | parsonsd | shogunx, well, those numbers won't fix my issue, but i'll still look up numbers for my werk stuff. |
| 07:19.07 | shogunx | parsonsd the vpn was trying to send a packet bigger than the ethernet interface would allow, so it just dropped the packets. |
| 07:19.59 | parsonsd | shogunx rats. |
| 07:20.18 | parsonsd | shogunx hmm. |
| 07:20.51 | shogunx | can you watch the vpn transaction happen with ngrep on the ethernet interface it passes over? |
| 07:20.54 | jetscreamer | laludelala: doesn't work for what... anything? sometimes, for vt switching, you need to use the left alt & ctrl |
| 07:21.46 | laludelala | jetscreamer, it does not work either in "minicom" nor in "mc" ... I have to use Escape as metakey, this is not nice ... |
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| 07:22.01 | parsonsd | yeh, usually -- tho i've been using tcpdump..... |grep -v arp| grep -v domain| grep -v..... :) |
| 07:22.21 | laludelala | jetscreamer, but on the other hand, within an X program the ALT-key works ... |
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| 07:22.59 | shogunx | parsonsd and/or if you are behind an asymmetric NAT, does moving your client to a public IP help/fix the problem? |
| 07:23.17 | nomin | how much more difficult is debian to use than ubuntu? |
| 07:25.07 | parsonsd | shogunx, i don't know 'asymmetric nat' -- but i doubt it -- the traditional users are just given a regular lynksys router (with NAT on) and told that is secure. i'm the only one of out the techs in my bldg - and only one of few - that knows anything about tools to watch the interface. |
| 07:25.23 | cahoot | nomin: I doubt you'll get a meaningfulanswer unless you test yourself |
| 07:25.52 | shogunx | parsonsd what i like about ngrep is that you can see the whole packet, not just the headers like tcpdump/ |
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| 07:26.12 | valdyn | nomin: it is not |
| 07:26.33 | Luckys | in the Debian mirror via jigdo I'm specifying the mirror http://debian.mines.inpl-nancy.fr/debian/ but it fails |
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| 07:26.40 | shogunx | parsonsd most commercial NAT's are asymmetric... unlike IPTables. |
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| 07:26.56 | parsonsd | shogunx my outside iface is on an obsd box....i'll have to look around for a port to pbsd |
| 07:27.03 | parsonsd | *obsd... |
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| 07:28.07 | nomin | I have installed and used both mandriva and ubuntu. I am still learning linux but I think I may be ablel to handle debian. I pretty much want a stable distro that wont have too many bugs that will do what I want it to. I am a home pc user. |
| 07:28.08 | shogunx | parsonsd are you doing the vpn from the obsd box or a box behind it? you might consider doing it from bsd, and getting it to your other boxen via the local routing tables. |
| 07:28.29 | parsonsd | shogunx, well, the errors i got back were icmp 'host unavailable' packets.... |
| 07:28.56 | shogunx | like route add -net x.y.z.w netmask e.r.t.y gateway $IPOFBSDBOX |
| 07:29.04 | cahoot | nomin: you won't get any more reliable/stable than debian |
| 07:29.07 | parsonsd | shogunx, but i figured that something was seriously amiss cause i could also see far end was alive (by selective use of nmap) |
| 07:29.13 | valdyn | !d-i nomin |
| 07:29.13 | dpkg | nomin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:30.09 | bug1 | can anyone tell me what i have to do to get dvd playback working on sid/amd64, should dvd playback work "out of the box" these days ? |
| 07:30.25 | bug1 | or do i have to go to a 3rd party side to get unoffical decss packages |
| 07:30.28 | valdyn | bug1: no, that wouldnt be legal in the US, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 07:30.53 | bug1 | valdyn, thanks, for some reason i thought debian got over that |
| 07:31.07 | parsonsd | shogunx, thefun part about the vpn is run on the werk's windows box behind my obsd gateway. |
| 07:31.33 | valdyn | bug1: they will as soon as they finally get legislative rights in the US |
| 07:31.36 | shogunx | parsonsd heh... |
| 07:32.38 | parsonsd | i don't know anywhere near enough about the whole setup to want to try something a litte more easily used. --or about ipsec in general (assuming, prolly falsely, that cisco just did ipsec) |
| 07:33.05 | shogunx | parsonsd they just did ipsec |
| 07:33.12 | laludelala | In xterm my ALT-key does not work, how can I setup it to work? |
| 07:33.16 | shogunx | and put a little giu app on it. |
| 07:33.20 | laludelala | It does not work either in "minicom" nor in "mc" ... I have to use Escape as metakey, this is not nice ... |
| 07:33.23 | shogunx | gui* |
| 07:33.29 | parsonsd | shogunx -- now that is wonderful info |
| 07:33.38 | parsonsd | shogunx how in the world do you know that? |
| 07:33.52 | shogunx | parsonsd http://www.ietf.org |
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| 07:34.33 | parsonsd | shogunx, oh sure, just pull out some peculiar and odd-ball organisation's info... :) |
| 07:34.42 | Luckys | downloading the ISO is so much confusing, or make jigdo work in so much of pain, I wonder what'll happen when I install debian then :( |
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| 07:35.38 | shogunx | parsonsd:) ietf is where the protocols get written. i have participated since @1997. considering how many cisco people directly contributed to the ipsec drafts and rfcs... |
| 07:37.10 | shogunx | parsonsd i've actually been to two of the conferences in person. |
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| 07:37.29 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 07:37.31 | parsonsd | shogunx, that's actually rather cool. |
| 07:37.36 | shogunx | one can learn lots hanging out with longbearded old wizards:) |
| 07:37.46 | parsonsd | jedi masters, eh? |
| 07:37.51 | shogunx | indeed. |
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| 07:38.07 | argent | hey bliss1_ |
| 07:38.22 | shogunx | parsonsd shaolin monks:) |
| 07:38.32 | parsonsd | i've had that particular pleasure, tho i figure that that bearded wizard would take exception to being called 'old' |
| 07:38.39 | argent | shogunx: visit eb.cx/yp |
| 07:39.07 | bliss1_ | i know that when you install a source package you can ./configure --prefix <directorynamehere but what I find each time is that I must amend bash so the package is found |
| 07:39.14 | bliss1_ | argent: hi |
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| 07:39.30 | parsonsd | argent, that sounds like the solution to debuging a recent X problem |
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| 07:39.58 | argent | parsonsd: eb.cx/yp ? |
| 07:40.21 | argent | parsonsd: how? |
| 07:40.31 | bug1 | hmm, anyone know specifically what package i need to play dvd's with xine, i have installed libdvdcss from marillat, cnat see anything else i might need... |
| 07:40.44 | parsonsd | "Psychic Technique and Application"? yeh -- tho maybe you hadnt logged in early enough to hear it |
| 07:40.56 | shogunx | argent: http://lycaeum.org/ tag, you are it. |
| 07:40.58 | bug1 | maybe the packages arent built for amd64 ? |
| 07:41.05 | argent | parsonsd: you were talking about jedis and wizards |
| 07:41.14 | shogunx | :) |
| 07:41.34 | shogunx | parsonsd yeah, i would not call them old to their faces. |
| 07:41.42 | bliss1_ | argent: any ideas about my 20 cents worth |
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| 07:41.53 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 07:42.12 | parsonsd | argent, i know, but still -- phsychic techniques were required. |
| 07:42.28 | parsonsd | erm, "psychic" |
| 07:42.29 | kanaldrache | Are there any debian tools to install and especially deinstall cpan packages with dpkg? |
| 07:42.34 | argent | bliss1_: you mean like you have to add to the PATH to be able to run the apps, right? |
| 07:42.47 | kanaldrache | I know of the cpan shell but i would like to put the files under packages system control |
| 07:42.52 | bliss1_ | argent: yep |
| 07:43.06 | argent | bliss1_: where do you usually install them? |
| 07:43.22 | parsonsd | k - past time for sleep. later all. |
| 07:43.23 | bliss1_ | argent: etc |
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| 07:43.31 | dorel_ | this is so weird. when i type in firefox "localhost" in the address bar im directed to this website computerhope.com |
| 07:43.32 | nomin | there are 14 cds for debian available for download. How many of the cds do I need to install debian on my pc? Is it possible to just install with the first cd and download the other stuff that I want later? |
| 07:43.45 | argent | bliss1_: you install them in /etc??????????????????????????????? |
| 07:43.57 | bliss1_ | argent: no sorry |
| 07:44.04 | shogunx | argent i'll give it this much... the mind has as of yet undocumented features. |
| 07:44.07 | kanaldrache | Mhh, okay, i found dh-make-perl ... :) |
| 07:44.23 | bliss1_ | argent: var |
| 07:44.31 | argent | nomin: first three should be enough. but, yeah, you can do that also |
| 07:44.36 | argent | shogunx: yep |
| 07:44.54 | nomin | argent, thank you |
| 07:44.59 | argent | bliss1_: so like /var/<package> ? |
| 07:45.09 | argent | nomin: np |
| 07:45.24 | bliss1_ | agent: somethink like that |
| 07:46.01 | bug1 | ah i think i gotit now |
| 07:46.18 | bliss1_ | argent: sorry yes like /var/packages |
| 07:47.12 | argent | bliss1_: like every program has a prefix of /var/packages, right? |
| 07:47.39 | argent | bliss1_: or like /var/fluxbox /var/mono etc? |
| 07:48.05 | bliss1_ | argent: more or less yes |
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| 07:48.25 | cahoot | nomin: get the netinstall cd |
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| 07:49.00 | argent | bliss1_: can you give me an example of the directory where you have installed it? i would suggest you use /opt/<pkg> as the prefix for anyting else that you install. |
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| 07:49.22 | shogunx | capnskull... whats up. |
| 07:49.38 | capnskull | hello |
| 07:49.40 | argent | bliss1_: though if you do `echo export PATH=$PATH:<pkg-prefix>/bin >> .bashrc' should work |
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| 07:50.06 | bliss1_ | argent: I have not as yet but will do later today |
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| 07:50.33 | laludelala | In xterm my ALT-key does not work, how can I setup it to work? |
| 07:50.36 | laludelala | It does not work either in "minicom" nor in "mc" ... I have to use Escape as metakey, this is not nice ... |
| 07:50.41 | argent | bliss1_: i would suggest you install it in /opt/<package name> |
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| 07:51.08 | nomin | cahoot, I have never done a net install. I would prefer to just install from a cd. |
| 07:51.08 | peritus | is initng planned to be released with etch? |
| 07:51.36 | bliss1_ | argent: ok thanks but still need to amend bash each time? |
| 07:51.56 | argent | bliss1_: this should do it automaticALLY EVERYTIME YOU LOGIN |
| 07:52.10 | argent | argh sorry about my capslock key |
| 07:52.15 | cahoot | nomin: well the netinstall cd does exactly what you proposed to do - i e get most ofthe system from the net as you go along |
| 07:52.27 | bliss1_ | argent: ok thanks |
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| 07:53.15 | cahoot | nomin: but no big deal |
| 07:54.01 | nomin | cahoot, but my maximum download speed is 40KB per second. I suppose a net install could be useful, by I share my internet on a home network. I dont know when the bandwith will be needed. |
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| 07:54.20 | bliss1_ | argent: the apropos command is a nice little informative baby |
| 07:54.33 | argent | bliss1_: yep it is |
| 07:55.11 | cahoot | nomin: I suspect the net download will be smaller with the netinstall cd |
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| 07:55.39 | bliss1_ | argent: time for breakfast good lok with the phsychic technique |
| 07:55.58 | argent | bliss1_: i can do some of it already |
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| 07:56.20 | bliss1_ | argent: umm like what |
| 07:57.03 | jetscreamer | what is LD_ASSUME_KERNEL |
| 07:57.19 | hoe | hi! just installed mysql-server4.1, set up root pwd with mysqladmin -u root password as said in readme.debian but, still cannot do with root via mysql -u root -p i get access denied for user root@localhost err, check up cfg, cannot see any disallowroot line, any ideas? |
| 07:57.21 | argent | bliss1_: telepathy (pretty easy), pain control, cloak shieling (like invisibility and stuff), aura vision, seeing with eyes closed etc. |
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| 07:57.50 | nomin | cahoot, I have heard that the netinstall asks what I want to install, and only dowloads those files. I think that can really simplify things. I dont know right now if I should stop the bittorrent of debian disc1 or just do a netinstall. |
| 07:57.51 | bliss1_ | argent: how about levitation |
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| 07:58.37 | argent | bliss1_: leviation and psycho kinesis are very difficult things. especially leviation. i am still working on it. |
| 07:58.39 | cahoot | nomin: I thinkt cd 1 is all you need to get started anyway so keep it going |
| 07:59.38 | jetscreamer | nomin probably stop unless you have a lot of it already |
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| 07:59.54 | bliss1_ | argent: I do every day pretty easy http://www.alltm.org/YFlying.html |
| 07:59.56 | shogunx | hey hoe (sorry, obligatory) http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 08:00.36 | nomin | cahoot, ok. I think I will set things up to repartition my hard drive and see what I can do from the debian installation disc. I if I can save bandwidth, I will. I will to my research and see what I need to do. |
| 08:00.50 | jetscreamer | nomin: depending on the .iso, you'd wind up d/l'ing updated versions of the files after you got it installed |
| 08:01.20 | argent | bliss1_: interesting. thanks! |
| 08:01.35 | bliss1_ | argent: see ya |
| 08:01.43 | shogunx | bliss1_ that must be some good pot those guys in the images have. |
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| 08:02.19 | nomin | I cannot install debian right now, I need to repatition first, which takes a lot of trouble. I think I should just download disc1 right now, unless its too much trouble. |
| 08:02.34 | nomin | *I need to repartition first. |
| 08:03.07 | Isil`Zha | hi. "apt-cache search" should be searching for regular expressions right? |
| 08:04.13 | karsten | Isil`Zha: Yeah. |
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| 08:05.04 | Isil`Zha | why does it then find something, not containing both "php" and "5" when i ask him to search "(php){1,1}.*5{1,1}"? |
| 08:05.43 | nomin | other than that, I do not want to take up too much of anyones time. I am still just a novice linux user. Thanks for the help. |
| 08:05.48 | Isil`Zha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.53 | Isil`Zha | actually there are results containing neither "php" nor "5" |
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| 08:07.14 | karsten | Isil`Zha: Try backslashing the {: "(php)\{1\}.*5\{1\}" |
| 08:07.31 | karsten | Isil`Zha: You don't have to specify both min and max when selecting only one instance. |
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| 08:11.01 | Isil`Zha | karsten: yes but same happened if i searched "(php).*5" though... backslashing these brackets would mean to actually search for the brackets too. in fact it doesn't find anything anymore with it |
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| 08:11.34 | fireba11 | Isil`Zha: i think it searches in descriptions too by default |
| 08:11.50 | Isil`Zha | fireb |
| 08:11.56 | Isil`Zha | ops |
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| 08:12.11 | karsten | Isil`Zha: What're you hoping to return? |
| 08:12.19 | Isil`Zha | fireball: yes i know. but its not there too |
| 08:12.54 | Isil`Zha | fireba11: for example it returns "imp3 - Web Based Mail Program" |
| 08:13.58 | Isil`Zha | karsten: i try to find packages including both "php" and "5". means something like "php5" or "php5-xmlrpc". it does return these too btw |
| 08:14.25 | karsten | Isil`Zha: apt-cache search 'php.*5' |
| 08:14.27 | Isil`Zha | it doesn't find that much more than what i expect but what it adds doesn't make sense |
| 08:15.06 | Isil`Zha | karsten: same again |
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| 08:16.04 | karsten | Isil`Zha: What _aren't_ you finding that you want? |
| 08:16.44 | Isil`Zha | karsten: actually it seems to return everything i want to find plus things that seem to be totally unrelated |
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| 08:16.57 | Isil`Zha | karsten: i pastebin the result |
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| 08:17.31 | karsten | Isil`Zha: OK. |
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| 08:18.04 | karsten | Isil`Zha: Sometimes I find it easier to run an additional pattern match (or reject) to filter out the set. Or just edit the resulting output dumped to file. |
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| 08:18.59 | kimo | Hi, guys, any recommendations for a 'host based IPS' (besides tripwire) |
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| 08:19.14 | Isil`Zha | karsten: http://pastebin.com/649069 |
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| 08:20.29 | karsten | Isil`Zha: So a lot of stuff with 'php' but no '5'. Add an additional filter: 'grep 5 | grep php' to that. It's the poor-man's solution and you don't have to mess with regex syntax. |
| 08:21.23 | Isil`Zha | karsten: these apache modules too. actually as it is not that much more it doesn't matter that much in this case. i rather wondered if i did anythin wrong with the search |
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| 08:21.44 | karsten | Isil`Zha: Paste your command as well as output. |
| 08:22.12 | Isil`Zha | karsten: and yes for this case "php5" would have done the job too. though it is resulting in the same thing once more |
| 08:22.50 | karsten | Isil`Zha: Yeah, I'm a little confused as to what you're looking for ;-) |
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| 08:23.03 | karsten | What's the status of HFS (Mac OS X) filesystem support in Linux? |
| 08:23.23 | franklin_ | karsten, apt-cache search seems to search multiline... try apt-cache search 'php.*5' --full |
| 08:24.12 | Isil`Zha | karsten: actually i tried to find the php5 doc files. the search should have been php.*doc.* but as this didn't return anything i switched to something i knew had to be there. with this then i wondered why i got more than i asked for |
| 08:25.07 | Isil`Zha | hmm no wrong at that time i searched with something not actually being capable of regex. anyway... |
| 08:25.32 | karsten | Isil`Zha: apt-cache search php.*doc turns up a lot of hits for me. |
| 08:25.33 | franklin_ | Isil`Zha, try apt-cache search 'php[[:alnum:]_-]*5' OR apt-cache search 'php[^ ]*5' |
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| 08:26.23 | Isil`Zha | karsten: yes it does. i just didn't remember that i tried dpkg -L back then. i did stick with the changed string as i found out that only apt-cache seemed to be doing the job with regex |
| 08:26.25 | karsten | Isil`Zha: .. and for PHP with zero or more 5s: "apt-cache search '(php){1}.*5{0,1}' |
| 08:26.29 | karsten | " |
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| 08:28.09 | Isil`Zha | karsten: for the first one: he didn't like it. for the second: this returns even more unrelated results |
| 08:28.41 | karsten | Isil`Zha: You've got something strange going on there. |
| 08:28.42 | Isil`Zha | karsten: sorry forgot to put it in quotes. no results then |
| 08:28.54 | Isil`Zha | karsten: for the first one i mean |
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| 08:29.08 | karsten | Isil`Zha: The command is: apt-cache search '(php{1}.*5{0,1}' |
| 08:29.38 | karsten | Isil`Zha: Try that. Should get a lot of stuff, all with 'php', some with 5. |
| 08:30.25 | Isil`Zha | karsten: yes i tried. as i that: this even worthens the ratio of unrelated results |
| 08:30.37 | Isil`Zha | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.49 | karsten | Isil`Zha: Lose the '0,1' there. |
| 08:31.15 | franklin_ | Does any body know tool to colorize the output of a command based on a regular expression (like grep --color ... but i don't want to grep things away;) |
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| 08:31.26 | Isil`Zha | karsten: you mean to put '(php{1}.*5{1}'? |
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| 08:32.18 | Isil`Zha | karsten: this returns the thing in the pastebin again |
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| 08:34.13 | signature16 | how do i make it so that a proftpd user can edit files outside of the home directory on an FTP server? **User is not chrooted and can see / |
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| 08:37.28 | TTT | hi, hmm, dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_set_warning_func), any idea what's wrong with my X and how to get DRI working? |
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| 08:37.36 | ltd_ | hi ppl |
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| 08:38.42 | valdyn | TTT: on which debian release? |
| 08:39.01 | TTT | sid |
| 08:39.18 | TTT | some libraries are missing/wrong version |
| 08:39.20 | TTT | i wonder which ones |
| 08:39.25 | franklin_ | signature16, do you have a default config ? do your have Directory or Limit or Umask ? |
| 08:39.47 | valdyn | TTT: run 'apt-get update && apt-get -s dist-upgrade' and show us the output |
| 08:40.18 | TTT | it's up to date I think, 1 sec, i'll run it |
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| 08:40.43 | TTT | only pure-ftpd has broken dependencies, but that's to be expected in sid |
| 08:42.31 | ltd_ | need help on this : my desktop it's grey and can't put icons on it (i'm new on linux debian) |
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| 08:42.58 | valdyn | ltd_: you mean black/white dotted ( like static, just not 'moving' ) ? |
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| 08:43.35 | valdyn | TTT: dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so |
| 08:43.46 | TTT | valdyn: that symbol has to do something with mesa |
| 08:44.13 | valdyn | TTT: yea |
| 08:44.16 | TTT | I have ATI radeon 9250, last card to have Free 3D drivers |
| 08:44.16 | ltd_ | I lost the backgroung image and all the icons of debian a my shortcuts to foldes etc |
| 08:44.22 | TTT | xlibmesa-dri |
| 08:44.43 | TTT | Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 installed... |
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| 08:45.43 | TTT | i'll try reinstalling those packages responsable and i'll see maybe there are some .so's around that are used insead of correct ones |
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| 08:47.07 | valdyn | TTT: i dont see this bug reported, i suspect it is one, maybe caused by transition to mesa 6.5. |
| 08:47.45 | TTT | i still think there's something borked on my side, i'll doublecheck everything once more |
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| 08:55.20 | valdyn | TTT: ldd r200.so and verify that its linking to the correct GL libraries and that these librarires are the correct ones, i cant try that here, not using your X |
| 08:55.34 | TTT | 1 sec, i'll do that |
| 08:56.21 | valdyn | TTT: installing nvidia-glx for example would cause your breakage ( but why would you have that... ) |
| 08:56.43 | TTT | i did have that a long time ago, but now i did search for *GL* in /usr, no other libraries there |
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| 08:58.16 | TTT | it seems to get linked to correct libraries :-\ |
| 08:58.46 | TTT | wait wait wait |
| 08:58.59 | TTT | it works |
| 08:59.12 | TTT | i did apt-get install --reinstall xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-dri libglu1-xorg |
| 08:59.15 | TTT | this did it |
| 08:59.25 | TTT | so there were some b0rked libraries in my box |
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| 09:01.07 | TTT | valdyn- thanks for help |
| 09:01.21 | lnc | is there any way to install xorg on sarge 3.1? |
| 09:01.31 | valdyn | !xorg sarge |
| 09:01.35 | dpkg | i heard xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
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| 09:02.34 | lnc | anyway what's the diff between xfree86 and xorg? |
| 09:02.49 | valdyn | lnc: not much at all |
| 09:03.03 | valdyn | lnc: if your XFree86 works there's no reason to switch to Xorg |
| 09:03.14 | lnc | why |
| 09:03.17 | lnc | anyway what's the diff between xfree86 and xorg? |
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| 09:03.29 | pulu | xfree86 is the past, xorg is the future |
| 09:03.36 | pulu | it was political |
| 09:03.43 | simonrvn | hardly |
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| 09:04.29 | valdyn | lnc: Xorg is a fork of XFree86 for licensing reasons, its not a 'different' thing, it does contain newer drivers and development is happening at Xorg, does not mean that you would as a user notice a difference at all. |
| 09:04.51 | lnc | so xfree86 has been discontinued or someshit? |
| 09:05.02 | valdyn | lnc: no |
| 09:05.11 | lnc | i see |
| 09:05.13 | simonrvn | no, it's still going on, but near-dead or dead. they're at 4.4.x |
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| 09:05.43 | simonrvn | xorg is running at X11R7 |
| 09:05.48 | lnc | im kinda new to this, where i could find some infos about debian |
| 09:05.55 | lnc | and xfree86 is X11R6 ? |
| 09:06.08 | lnc | im runnin xfree86 4.3 |
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| 09:07.18 | TTT | Inc- if it works, there's not much reason messing with it. I had to get x.org, because my radeon 9250 won't run otherwise |
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| 09:07.33 | TTT | i didn't notice much change other than more hardware support |
| 09:07.33 | valdyn | lnc: XFree86 is an implementation of the X11R6 Spec |
| 09:07.39 | lnc | i see |
| 09:08.04 | lnc | so if your vid cards worked, no need to mess with it |
| 09:08.06 | lnc | i see that |
| 09:08.11 | lnc | -s |
| 09:08.51 | lnc | and yeah, another one, how do you view japanese, greek characters? |
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| 09:10.19 | TTT | ? get some fonts with that characters, should do the trick |
| 09:11.43 | Diazepam | could someone point me in the right direction - all of a sudden ive lost audio when watching video |
| 09:12.04 | Diazepam | apt-get dist-upgrade - was last action |
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| 09:14.48 | heny | is there an easy and good music-client for the debian shell to listen music and internet streams? |
| 09:15.34 | cahoot | heny: mplayer |
| 09:16.08 | azeem | heny: cplay |
| 09:17.31 | pingouin | how do i create one (or several) directory on dvd to put several files from a directory ? whith growisofs i use -graft-points DirOnDVD=/to/file/on/hard/drive/file1 DirOnDVD=/another/file/onmydrive/file2 but...growisofs spit me out that DirOnDVD already exist, i've try another syntax, but still error , any clue ? |
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| 09:18.58 | TTT | pingouin: last time i had to bake a DVD I used k3b, it is quite user-friendly |
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| 09:21.32 | gourdin | hi there |
| 09:21.54 | gourdin | anyone using an intel gma 950 graphic adaptater here ? |
| 09:23.24 | lnc | from what i read, stable = for servers , testing/unstable = for workstations? |
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| 09:23.47 | lnc | since testing contains recent releases of desktop software |
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| 09:26.36 | nicoco | hello. why does "find -type d -ok cd '{}' ';'" returns "< cd ... nameofdir > ?" ?? |
| 09:26.57 | nicoco | can i get rid of those "..." ?? |
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| 09:28.57 | heny | mplayer isnt available via apt-get and cplay cant play shoutcasts |
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| 09:29.12 | heny | so which client could i use? |
| 09:29.18 | nicoco | heny : try VLC |
| 09:29.31 | priscila | heny: mplayer is found at marillat repository |
| 09:29.35 | simonrvn | !tell heny about mplayer |
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| 09:30.22 | wizzomafizzo | How do I uninstall kde? |
| 09:30.29 | wizzomafizzo | apt-get --purge remove kdelibs doesn't work at all. |
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| 09:31.56 | priscila | wizzomafizzo: does have any package kde-base there? if does, try to remove it |
| 09:32.36 | wizzomafizzo | Nevermind, got it. |
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| 09:33.18 | priscila | wizzomafizzo: its more easy use aptitude to remove kde at all |
| 09:33.59 | stoned | its actually a lot easier than that |
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| 09:34.03 | stoned | !remove kde |
| 09:34.03 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 09:34.11 | wizzomafizzo | That doesn't work. |
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| 09:34.30 | stoned | or apt-get --purge remove kde* |
| 09:34.40 | heny | how can i reconfigure gpm? |
| 09:34.47 | stoned | dpkg-reconfigure gpm |
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| 09:35.42 | stoned | they left off the 4 at the end |
| 09:36.45 | stoned | wizzomafizzo, apt-get --purge remove kde* ought to do it |
| 09:36.46 | heny | so how can i play an url with vlc? |
| 09:37.01 | stoned | heny, what does gmp have to do with vlc? |
| 09:37.09 | heny | it's another topic :D |
| 09:37.11 | heny | i got an url |
| 09:37.11 | stoned | oh |
| 09:37.14 | heny | a shoutcast stream |
| 09:37.18 | heny | and installed vlc |
| 09:37.18 | stoned | I'm stoned :) |
| 09:37.21 | heny | hehe |
| 09:37.25 | heny | how can i listen to it? |
| 09:37.39 | stoned | file>open |
| 09:37.39 | TTT | hm, does anyone else here run q3 on radeon? for some reason i cannot adjust gamma |
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| 09:37.50 | stoned | dont' use the quickopen feature, but the regular open |
| 09:37.51 | heny | stoned: via shell |
| 09:37.56 | stoned | heny, man vlc |
| 09:38.01 | heny | kk |
| 09:38.14 | nicoco | heny : file -> open... (advanced) |
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| 09:38.28 | heny | in general: if an app has a built-in help, like type "help", how can i make that help be scrolled pagewise? |
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| 09:38.42 | stoned | use |less |
| 09:38.51 | stoned | blah --help |less |
| 09:38.56 | stoned | etc. |
| 09:39.14 | aubergine | Does anyone know what is the advantage on mounting /tmp with -o loop? |
| 09:39.20 | heny | k |
| 09:39.26 | heny | man volume |
| 09:39.28 | heny | argh |
| 09:39.31 | Eclipser | :p |
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| 09:39.50 | heny | how can i make the volume generally louder? |
| 09:39.58 | Eclipser | use your favourite mixer |
| 09:40.04 | heny | i have none :P |
| 09:40.08 | heny | i'm new to debian |
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| 09:40.14 | Eclipser | heny, using alsa? probably you have alsamixer |
| 09:40.21 | stoned | heny, apt-get install alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 09:40.45 | Eclipser | alsamixer has just one flaw |
| 09:40.49 | Eclipser | it doesn't quit with q... |
| 09:41.08 | wizzomafizzo | Why would that be a problem? |
| 09:41.12 | heny | strg+c |
| 09:41.18 | stoned | umm, ESC ? |
| 09:41.24 | Eclipser | wizzomafizzo, I always press q when I quit from most apps :p |
| 09:41.26 | deadcat | use rexima. it rocks |
| 09:41.26 | Eclipser | or :q |
| 09:41.27 | stoned | how is escape not easier than q |
| 09:41.34 | stoned | its just one keystroke |
| 09:41.35 | wizzomafizzo | Habit. |
| 09:41.38 | Eclipser | ESC is farther away :p |
| 09:41.41 | Eclipser | yes |
| 09:41.41 | stoned | thats just being anal with it man |
| 09:41.45 | Eclipser | a habit |
| 09:41.51 | Nemoder | anyone else having problems with random crashes in the latest Xorg to hit testing? |
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| 09:42.07 | Eclipser | Nemoder, mine hasn't crashed a single time |
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| 09:42.23 | stoned | Nemoder, i've been running sid, no crashes here |
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| 09:42.59 | stoned | deadcat, whats up man |
| 09:43.09 | Nemoder | it seems to run ok for me for 10-15 mins and then dies with *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08628838 *** |
| 09:43.26 | Eclipser | heh, alsamixergui is ugly++ |
| 09:43.46 | stoned | functionality > eyecandy |
| 09:43.49 | sovieticool | hy all ...is existing a program live total commandet ? |
| 09:43.57 | sovieticool | commander* |
| 09:44.07 | kevix | Nemoder: is it when you start X or is it an application that you are running? |
| 09:44.10 | Eclipser | stoned, true, but alsamixer looks better and starts faster :p |
| 09:44.17 | stoned | sovieticool, apt-cache search commander |
| 09:44.22 | Nemoder | kevix: X starts ok, just randomly some time later |
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| 09:45.03 | kevix | Nemoder: are you running a screen saver? if so, try stopping it. |
| 09:45.07 | Nemoder | nope |
| 09:45.44 | Nemoder | how can I downgrade to a previous version/ |
| 09:46.24 | cahoot | Nemoder: just FYI irssi produses this here (on etch): *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08114338 ** |
| 09:46.52 | Eclipser | it does it on /quit |
| 09:47.00 | kevix | Nemoder: well you may have the debs in /var/apt/cache/packages unless you clean it out? |
| 09:47.24 | Nemoder | kevix: it's set to autoclean, probably gone with last update |
| 09:47.31 | simonrvn | cahoot: due to libglib |
| 09:47.43 | stoned | say glib 10 times fast |
| 09:47.55 | kevix | Nemoder: cahoot's messages suggests its not just X but maybe glibc or somethig else. |
| 09:47.56 | cahoot | simonrvn: I suppose this a well known bug - not bothered to look |
| 09:48.01 | stoned | glibglibglibglibglibglib heh |
| 09:48.17 | Nemoder | kevix: was working fine till I just updated testing, and the only packages I saw changed were all related to X |
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| 09:48.31 | stoned | Nemoder, you should install apt-listbugs |
| 09:48.42 | stoned | and don't isntall packages before checking for listed bugs |
| 09:48.49 | Nemoder | stoned: was just looking at bugs.debian.org but didn't see anything specific about it |
| 09:49.14 | stoned | I find unstable to be FAR more stable than testing |
| 09:49.30 | stoned | I have never really liked the testing branch myself, for reasons uknown |
| 09:49.34 | Nemoder | never had anything break this badly before in testing |
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| 09:49.54 | Eclipser | I haven't liked sid since I managed to destroy tons of data with it :p |
| 09:49.56 | Nemoder | and X has the same package in unstable right now |
| 09:49.59 | azeem | stoned: that's fine, but please don't tell people to upgrade to unstable unless you want to support them personally |
| 09:50.07 | Eclipser | but that was when potato was stable... |
| 09:50.11 | stoned | azeem, I never told anyone that |
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| 09:50.31 | stoned | azeem, are you seeing things ;) |
| 09:50.59 | azeem | stoned: your remarks can be interpreted in different ways |
| 09:51.01 | heny | i installed alsamixer now but it says cant open display |
| 09:51.06 | dorel_ | how do i configure sound? i dont seem to have /dev/dsp in 2.6.16 where i remember i had it with 2.6.8 |
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| 09:51.16 | Eclipser | heny, alsamixergui? |
| 09:51.21 | azeem | just because you didn't mean anything doesn't mean nobody misunderstood |
| 09:51.23 | k-man_ | is there a trick to getting xine to play dvds in debian? |
| 09:51.24 | Eclipser | alsamixer shouldn't whine about that |
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| 09:51.33 | stoned | azeem, and that makes it my fault? |
| 09:51.39 | Eclipser | heny, run alsamixergui as the user you're logged into X |
| 09:51.44 | lnc | what's obsolete mean? |
| 09:51.54 | Eclipser | !dict obsolete |
| 09:51.54 | simonrvn | lnc: use a dictionary |
| 09:51.56 | dpkg | Dictionary 'obsolete' (1 of 5): old; no longer in use or valid or fashionable; "obsolete words"; "an obsolete locomotive"; "outdated equipment"; "superannuated laws"; "out-of-date ideas". |
| 09:51.56 | stoned | I fail to see you point, I never told anyone to use unstable, yet here you are telling me I did, what did I miss? |
| 09:52.38 | kevix | Nemoder: testing is the 'medium' tested branch and unstable is the 'almost no' testing branch. so if something breaks, it will be fixed, just might take 10+ days. |
| 09:52.49 | lnc | so, let's say sarge is currently the stable dist, what's gonna to this if they release another stable dist? |
| 09:53.04 | heny | Eclipser: i dont use X ;) |
| 09:53.05 | stoned | lnc, etch will be next stable release |
| 09:53.08 | heny | and there is no alsamixer |
| 09:53.16 | Eclipser | aptitude install alsamixer |
| 09:53.27 | Eclipser | obviously you can't use alsamixergui without X |
| 09:53.49 | heny | yes, didnt know that |
| 09:53.54 | heny | alsamixer isn't available |
| 09:54.03 | lnc | i know |
| 09:54.12 | lnc | then what's gonna happen to sarge? |
| 09:54.20 | Eclipser | heny, I think it's in alsa-utils |
| 09:54.34 | stoned | lnc, it wil be supported for 18 months after etch is stable, then you won't find support for it here |
| 09:54.37 | stoned | afaik |
| 09:54.40 | Eclipser | yep |
| 09:54.45 | Eclipser | heny, install alsa-utils |
| 09:54.58 | lnc | i see |
| 09:55.12 | lnc | so what's the point of sarge after that? |
| 09:55.20 | lnc | stable with no support? |
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| 09:55.36 | kevix | lnc: sarge becomes old-stable and etch becomes stable |
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| 09:55.45 | lnc | oh |
| 09:55.52 | lnc | that's what im sayin |
| 09:55.56 | lnc | old-stable |
| 09:56.13 | stoned | lnc, please don't use the enter key as often as you are right now |
| 09:56.14 | heny | downloaded alsa-utils |
| 09:56.19 | heny | how can i start what i need now? |
| 09:56.24 | Eclipser | alsamixer |
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| 09:56.36 | heny | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 09:56.43 | heny | i currently listen to music |
| 09:56.43 | kevix | lnc: in order to keep things moving, Debian can not support old-stable for more than 18 months, its stops progress on the next stable |
| 09:56.45 | heny | via vlc |
| 09:56.51 | stoned | heny, apt-get install alsa && alsaconf |
| 09:56.51 | Eclipser | heny, uh |
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| 09:57.23 | nicoco | help me please with find -exec command !!! |
| 09:57.26 | Eclipser | there's no package named alsa :p |
| 09:57.59 | heny | it doesn' |
| 09:58.10 | heny | alsaconf doesn't find any plugn play card |
| 09:58.10 | heny | oO |
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| 09:58.15 | nicoco | "find -type d -exec cd "{}" \;" -> what's wrong here ! |
| 09:58.21 | heny | although i just listened to music |
| 09:58.22 | lnc | kevix: why's that? |
| 09:58.31 | Eclipser | heny, are you using oss? :) |
| 09:58.38 | lnc | there's should be a group for old-stable, you think? |
| 09:58.48 | lnc | or groups |
| 09:58.58 | heny | Eclipser: wtf? :X |
| 09:59.08 | lnc | to keep old-stable maintained |
| 09:59.17 | lnc | you get what im sayin? |
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| 09:59.24 | stoned | lnc, how many people use windows 3.1 these days? |
| 09:59.28 | heny | me |
| 09:59.30 | Eclipser | _o/ |
| 09:59.40 | simonrvn | lnc: it's only maintained for 6-12 months after the new stable is released |
| 09:59.41 | heny | windows 3.11 pwns |
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| 09:59.56 | stoned | lnc, do you see my point |
| 09:59.58 | Eclipser | I even use ms-dos 6.22 |
| 10:00.11 | lnc | yeah |
| 10:00.12 | Eclipser | nicoco, you need help with asking proper questions |
| 10:00.24 | nicoco | ok i'll try again |
| 10:00.46 | lnc | but i think that's up to you though, if you wanna keep using it since it is stable |
| 10:00.47 | kevix | lnc: 90% of Debian folks work on packaging software, the other 10% work on supporting security, stable, and other stuff IIUC |
| 10:01.29 | kevix | lnc: yes, YOU can use it, its just not being supported by Debian folks. |
| 10:01.40 | lnc | i see |
| 10:02.08 | stoned | lnc, sure it is. what is your point? woody isn't going to be OFFICIALLY supported later on. Same with sarge, 18 months after etch is stable. |
| 10:02.14 | lnc | but let's say you found bugs, you don't get support? |
| 10:02.19 | kevix | lnc: although there are other unoffical things like 'backports.org' and 'apt-get.org' that have folks making packages for them. |
| 10:02.21 | lnc | from deb folks? |
| 10:02.30 | simonrvn | no. |
| 10:02.48 | stoned | simonrvn, you mean NO! :) |
| 10:02.50 | simonrvn | you'll be told to upgrade to stable. |
| 10:03.07 | kevix | lnc: there are folks other than Debian folks that know how to fix things. |
| 10:03.16 | nicoco | i want to execute a "rename args" in each subdir. so i'm trying : find -type d -exec cd "{}" \n but instead of "cd dirname" it tries "cd ... dirname" which returns en arror |
| 10:03.18 | lnc | so, after all those years making 'stable', they'll discontinued it that fast? |
| 10:03.32 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 10:03.41 | stoned | geezus f.ing christ |
| 10:03.44 | kevix | lnc: debian like any other org. has limited resources. |
| 10:03.49 | lnc | im just saying |
| 10:03.51 | lnc | i see |
| 10:03.58 | nicoco | anyone has an idea why find -exec puts those "..." between my command and the result of find ? |
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| 10:04.06 | Eclipser | nicoco, try cd {} \; |
| 10:04.10 | lnc | im reading the references/manual, so yeah |
| 10:04.11 | lnc | :) |
| 10:04.17 | kevix | lnc: you can also install stuff from more recent sources in /usr/, /opt/ or anywheres else. |
| 10:04.27 | sovieticool_ | i just intall gnome commander but i can't start it because say he can find his icon |
| 10:04.28 | sovieticool_ | :( |
| 10:04.29 | gmh | hello, i made an upgrade to my sid, but now i have a problem with the principal menu of gnome 2.14, when i try open, it disappears, what can i do? |
| 10:04.34 | nicoco | eclipser :doesn't work |
| 10:04.46 | nicoco | (same error) |
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| 10:05.55 | franklin_ | nicoco, find doesn't insert (it's just "-ok" whixh present it at prompt.) have a look at -execdir which probably does waht you want.. |
| 10:05.56 | Eclipser | nicoco, find . -type d -exec echo {} \; |
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| 10:06.31 | nicoco | eclipser : the list seems ok like with echo {} |
| 10:06.45 | Eclipser | what franklin_ said :p |
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| 10:07.14 | franklin_ | nicoco, for instance : find -type d -execdir "ls" "-ld" "{}" ";" |
| 10:07.16 | kevix | sovieticool_: if it cant find an icon, it would seem to be a warning and not an error |
| 10:07.20 | lnc | So far they have been characters taken from the movie Toy Story by Pixar. |
| 10:07.27 | lnc | ^^ didn't know that |
| 10:07.38 | lnc | im talkin bout the codenames |
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| 10:08.13 | lnc | so what's next after Etch? |
| 10:08.26 | stoned | lol |
| 10:08.33 | stoned | we dont' know yet, it hasn't been named |
| 10:08.35 | kevix | lnc: yup! well we have toy story and toy story 2 |
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| 10:08.45 | azeem | lnc: not yet decided |
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| 10:08.57 | heny_ | i just installed alsastuff and removed it after that and now i get |
| 10:08.58 | heny_ | [00000318] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp) |
| 10:09.03 | heny_ | when trying to listen to music |
| 10:09.05 | heny_ | with vlc |
| 10:09.10 | nicoco | franklin : it doesn't work ... what is this for ? |
| 10:09.11 | lnc | kevix: are you one of the deb folks? |
| 10:09.16 | Eclipser | heny_, use alsa instead then |
| 10:09.18 | sovieticool_ | kevix in accesories i see it but whi no ico |
| 10:09.28 | stoned | alsa > oss |
| 10:09.29 | heny_ | Eclipser: i uninstalled it because it didn't work.. |
| 10:09.35 | sovieticool_ | when i try to put it on toolbar don't work |
| 10:09.35 | heny_ | so, now |
| 10:09.39 | heny_ | what should i download? |
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| 10:10.21 | Eclipser | !tell heny_ -about alsa |
| 10:10.26 | kevix | lnc: nope, but maybe one day. I follow things though. |
| 10:10.45 | kevix | sovieticool_: can you run it from an xterm? |
| 10:10.51 | sovieticool_ | yes |
| 10:10.59 | lnc | ic |
| 10:11.05 | kevix | lnc: check out my site at debian.home.pipeline.com |
| 10:11.13 | lnc | sure |
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| 10:11.42 | franklin_ | nicoco, it scan sub directories, then for each one, it "cd" to it, then run the command "ls -ld" |
| 10:12.31 | lnc | kevix: i like that cake :) |
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| 10:13.24 | ttymon | could someone please tell me how to install sound modules ? |
| 10:13.27 | nicoco | franklin dir: ls: "no file or dir found" (translation from french) |
| 10:13.35 | heny_ | Blacklist the OSS driver by removing it from /etc/modules and adding |
| 10:13.35 | heny_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.35 | heny_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.38 | heny_ | what does that mean? |
| 10:13.41 | heny_ | skip drivername |
| 10:14.01 | sovieticool_ | it is possible to install a win fast tv tuner on ubuntu ? |
| 10:14.11 | kevix | lnc: it was a hack job - sponge cake from a baker and store brought icing! |
| 10:14.14 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
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| 10:15.00 | heny_ | Eclipser? |
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| 10:15.18 | kevix | ttymon: loading kernel modules is usually done by 'modprobe MODULENAME' or adding then to /etc/modules |
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| 10:16.07 | ttymon | yea kevix thats what i understood as well, but do i need to add them manually let say if want to install specific sound driver ? |
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| 10:16.34 | new0one | hello, how do I turn On the RX AND TX flow controls of the network card? |
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| 10:16.44 | franklin_ | nicoco, ?? did you typed it "as is" (sorry to ask). |
| 10:16.59 | heny_ | can someone help me with blacklisting the oss driver? |
| 10:16.59 | Isil`Zha | hi. i try to install php5 but aptitude only wants to do so together with installing apache2 which i don't want. if this issue should be ubuntu related: please excuse my question and ignore me... ;) |
| 10:17.08 | nicoco | franklin : tes |
| 10:17.11 | kevix | ttymon: if you add them to /etc/modules, they will be loaded on boot 'in order'. modprobe will load them for this session. |
| 10:17.11 | nicoco | yes* |
| 10:17.20 | nicoco | bye everyone got to leave |
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| 10:17.59 | new0one | hello, how do I turn On the RX AND TX flow controls of the network card? |
| 10:18.02 | ttymon | kevix thx helping ..but what i dont understand is how can you load moudle without having the driver installed |
| 10:18.15 | sovieticool_ | whit eye of gnome i can see next image whit a key like acdsee whit space to see next pic |
| 10:18.18 | ttymon | i mean .....let say i got intel sound card ...i cant just type ok load that ...or will it ?? |
| 10:18.33 | kevix | ttymon: drivers=windows kernel modules=linux |
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| 10:18.54 | ttymon | ahaa |
| 10:19.21 | ttymon | so i need to search for that intel modules then dont i right ? |
| 10:19.24 | Garp | Question: I have a few DVD disk images that are taking a lot of place on my disk. I would like to compress them to a more light format (divx, likely). I would enjoy being able to select the langage used, as well as the subtitles (in a separate file if possible). I already tried a few softwares, but none seemed to be simple enough for me to understand how to achieve this goal without have to become a video-formats expert. Any suggestion |
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| 10:20.02 | kevix | ttymon: you need to find out what chipset it has and then what modules supports its. |
| 10:20.16 | kevix | ttymon: lspci helps with this |
| 10:20.34 | ttymon | kevix you are star man ...cheers mate |
| 10:20.38 | lnc | where can i find all apt-* cmds? |
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| 10:20.52 | kevix | ttymon: cheers! |
| 10:20.56 | franklin_ | Isil`Zha, on debian, php5 depends on apache-mod OR php5-cgi (try apt-cache show php5). if you dont want apache-mod , install php5-cgi first. |
| 10:21.12 | ttymon | i said thanks :) kevix |
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| 10:22.32 | kevix | lnc: there are the man pages but you can 'apt-get install apt-howto' |
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| 10:22.41 | Isil`Zha | franklin_: ok seems to be ubuntu then... thank you |
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| 10:26.07 | new0one | hello, how do I turn On the RX AND TX flow controls of the network card? |
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| 10:27.07 | simonrvn | @wb |
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| 10:27.08 | ravenbird | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 10:27.18 | flosch | hi |
| 10:27.21 | kevix | !mii-diag |
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| 10:27.52 | kevix | !info mii-diag |
| 10:28.01 | dpkg | mii-diag: (A little tool to manipulate network cards), section net, is extra. Version: 2.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 10:28.27 | new0one | kevix thanx |
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| 10:30.16 | DarkCow | if I want to update my kernel, do I have to compile it myself? |
| 10:30.23 | streuner | no |
| 10:30.29 | blafd | whats the equivlent tool for a integrated nvidia network card |
| 10:30.37 | streuner | DarkCow: dpkg -l | tail -1 |
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| 10:30.56 | DarkCow | ii zlib1g-dev 1.2.2-4.sarge. compression library - development |
| 10:30.56 | DarkCow | ? |
| 10:31.13 | streuner | DarkCow: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 10:31.15 | streuner | sorry |
| 10:31.35 | DarkCow | what's that got to do with the kernel? |
| 10:32.00 | streuner | it shows what version of debian you use... |
| 10:32.14 | DarkCow | ah |
| 10:32.14 | DarkCow | ok |
| 10:32.24 | DarkCow | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:32.44 | streuner | DarkCow: so sarge, just get a backport at backports.org |
| 10:32.48 | streuner | 2.6.15 |
| 10:32.50 | DarkCow | thanks |
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| 10:42.39 | priscila | does anyone recommend buy a dell notebook to use debian on it? |
| 10:43.22 | RichiH | friend of mine is in a large company who uses dell exclusively |
| 10:43.37 | liable | DarkCow: do you have hardware issues with the sarge ones?? |
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| 10:43.45 | RichiH | he likes them, but not because they are reliable, but because they arrive in under three hours to replace parts |
| 10:43.46 | DarkCow | yes |
| 10:43.47 | resiak | I can recommend a Toshiba A50, but not necessarily other Toshibas. People also say that Thinkpads are wonderful. |
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| 10:44.04 | blafd | RichiH the inspirion d600 fully loaded isnt bad |
| 10:44.09 | DarkCow | my SATA hard drives won't work properly in RAID |
| 10:44.10 | RichiH | resiak: if you can pay for them, thinkpads are definately good |
| 10:44.32 | tombs | could someone help me with k3b please? When I try to burn I get this output: K3b did not find a suitable writer. You will only be able to create an image. |
| 10:44.32 | RichiH | blafd: no idea, i did not even know dell came preloaded with linux, these days |
| 10:44.34 | liable | but its been a pita at times.. |
| 10:44.43 | RichiH | i just know the hardware tends to be on the crappy side |
| 10:44.52 | Coweater | DarkCow: how do they work? |
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| 10:45.12 | RichiH | the new fujitsu siemens ultra small ones seem to be nice, too |
| 10:45.14 | blafd | yeah im just recommending a semi decent dell laptop i know of.. not for linux use ;) |
| 10:45.25 | RichiH | colleague has one and at least this one is rock solid |
| 10:45.38 | DarkCow | scsi0: ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: Read (10) 00 0a 40 5c c1 00 03 fe 00 |
| 10:45.39 | DarkCow | Current sda: sense key Medium Error |
| 10:45.39 | DarkCow | Additional sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed |
| 10:45.50 | liable | RichiH: musnt be a moday or friday model :) |
| 10:46.00 | liable | s/moday/monday/ |
| 10:46.20 | RichiH | liable: yah, the other fs notebooks (and harddisks, for that matter) i had contact with sucked |
| 10:47.05 | liable | DarkCow: eww. |
| 10:47.42 | DarkCow | it only happens with RAID |
| 10:48.04 | Coweater | what kind of raid is this? |
| 10:48.17 | DarkCow | 5 |
| 10:48.23 | liable | if thats the case, it does sound like a driver issue. |
| 10:48.31 | Coweater | controller? |
| 10:49.00 | DarkCow | erm, 3112A |
| 10:49.06 | DarkCow | sata_sil |
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| 10:50.51 | dfd | hello |
| 10:51.01 | dfd | can I make apt use another downloader in place of wget? |
| 10:51.14 | przem | Does anyone know how to send a message to another user using mail program under Knoppix? |
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| 10:51.42 | priscila | RichiH: isnt notebook devices that comes with dell notebooks (like vga card,network card) compatible with linux? |
| 10:52.10 | dfd | !knoppix |
| 10:52.10 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
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| 10:52.15 | DarkCow | dfd, I would replace the wget binary, but I'm crazy like that |
| 10:52.20 | bizkit | przem: echo bla | mail -s subject other_user |
| 10:52.36 | RichiH | priscila: no idea. my comments were on the reliability of the hardware, not on the compability |
| 10:52.36 | pertu | hi all.I have a small problem with java-package.I'm trying to build the deb package but it gives me a strange error >> dpkg-architecture: failure: dpkg --print-installation-architecture filed: Permission denied |
| 10:52.48 | pertu | what am i doing wrong here? |
| 10:52.50 | dfd | DarkCow, good idea.. I'll try :-) |
| 10:53.07 | RichiH | pertu: try with fakeroot |
| 10:53.09 | kevix | dfd: IIRC apt get use ftp also. |
| 10:53.32 | pertu | i'm using fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin |
| 10:53.47 | pertu | and then it gives the above error |
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| 10:54.24 | przem | Thank you Bizkit but it doesn't work |
| 10:54.40 | dfd | uhm it seems apt-get doesn't use wget |
| 10:54.44 | dfd | I were wrong |
| 10:55.06 | dfd | does apt-get manage itself the download process? |
| 10:55.14 | resiak | entirely likely |
| 10:55.17 | pertu | I'm using java-package 0.24 which says it supports that version of jre |
| 10:55.57 | dfd | oh right.. apt-get install wget wouldn't work otherwise |
| 10:55.57 | dfd | =P |
| 10:56.10 | liable | what does apt-get use, wget seems a likely candidate for http sources. |
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| 10:56.32 | dfd | it seems it manages downloads itself |
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| 10:57.47 | Storkme | how can i find out the version of package automake which i installed with apt-get ? |
| 10:58.17 | dfd | Storkme, dpkg -l | grep automake |
| 10:58.32 | Storkme | thanks |
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| 10:58.56 | przem | bizkit:Thank you Bizkit but it doesn't work |
| 10:58.58 | dfd | maybe there a simpler way to do it |
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| 11:00.41 | przem | Can you tell me where's the directory which contain messages sended to users using mail program? |
| 11:01.14 | new0one | hello, does this looks a problem for the network card? |
| 11:01.16 | new0one | b44: eth0: Link is down. |
| 11:01.16 | new0one | b44: eth0: Link is up at 10 Mbps, half duplex. |
| 11:01.16 | new0one | b44: eth0: Flow control is off for TX and off for RX. |
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| 11:09.46 | przem | Can you tell me where's the directory which contain messages sended to users using mail program? |
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| 11:10.15 | blondie | does linux cache the directory listings of SD cards? |
| 11:10.23 | POVaddct | przem: /var/mail/ |
| 11:10.36 | liable | przem: unless you changed it, /var/mail |
| 11:10.54 | liable | blondie: what do you mean? |
| 11:11.49 | blondie | well, whenever I mount an SD card, and look at what's on it, it shows a directory listing that is out of date -- files put on there recently don't show up |
| 11:12.20 | blondie | i.e. I mount it, look at it, then unmount it, then put more files on using a camera, and then mount it again -- new files aren't there |
| 11:12.24 | franklin_ | Does any body know tool to colorize the output of a command based on a regular expression (like grep --color ... but i don't want to grep things away;) |
| 11:12.27 | blondie | they show up if I use windows or the camera though |
| 11:13.27 | blondie | it seems to be caching the old directory contents and not updating :\ |
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| 11:14.30 | liable | blondie: hrm, wild guess, run 'sync' then umount it |
| 11:14.49 | liable | or mount then sync.. |
| 11:14.56 | blondie | I've tried that too :| |
| 11:15.14 | blondie | hmm |
| 11:15.24 | blondie | it seems to update if I unplug the USB card reader and put it back in a gain |
| 11:15.27 | liable | blondie: strange.. |
| 11:15.27 | blondie | -space |
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| 11:15.37 | blondie | but not if i just remove the card |
| 11:15.45 | liable | ah |
| 11:16.09 | blondie | that would be OK if I didn't use 3 of the slots in the reader c.c |
| 11:16.16 | blondie | (I also use CF and MS) |
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| 11:17.08 | r3tex | does the debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso come with enough packages to get a functional desktop? |
| 11:17.16 | r3tex | or do I have to download more stuff |
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| 11:17.21 | hjubal | hi |
| 11:17.52 | liable | r3tex: it will give you gnome *and* kde if you so desire |
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| 11:17.56 | przem | Why I can't send any mail using echo message | mail -s subject user to any user in Knoppix. |
| 11:18.29 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 11:18.29 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 11:18.38 | POVaddct | przem: because knoppix runs NO services by default. |
| 11:19.18 | przem | Can I turn those Services on ? |
| 11:19.25 | resiak | #knoppix |
| 11:19.26 | azeem | przem: please ask in #knoppix |
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| 11:20.07 | DarkCow | Erm, I've upgraded the kernel to 2.6.15 from backports, but when I try to boot with it, it hangs with "waiting for root file system to appear" |
| 11:20.27 | DarkCow | my root filesystem is on a normal IDE/ATA hard drive |
| 11:20.31 | liable | oh dear |
| 11:20.47 | przem | I'm new and how can I get to #knoppix :) |
| 11:20.58 | DarkCow | /join #knoppix |
| 11:21.26 | liable | DarkCow: never seen that error. if i were you iwouldjust compile. |
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| 11:21.40 | liable | gah, add three spaces.. |
| 11:21.48 | przem | OK thank you guys |
| 11:21.55 | liable | er, two :) |
| 11:22.00 | DarkCow | it still boots from the old kernel with some message about udev not working with kernels below 2.6.12 |
| 11:22.01 | blondie | hmm i guess this would be a problem for internal multi-card readers |
| 11:22.06 | blondie | (drive bay mounted ones) |
| 11:23.03 | resiak | DarkCow: Did you pull udev in from bpo also? |
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| 11:23.24 | DarkCow | not manually |
| 11:24.27 | r3tex | liable: wow, excellenteee |
| 11:24.36 | resiak | Hmm, sounds like it got pulled in if it moans about kernels < 2.6.12 |
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| 11:24.55 | DarkCow | yeah |
| 11:25.01 | DarkCow | it looks like it's there |
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| 11:28.28 | netman1 | [OT] : Is there an english term for 'companies' whose personel policies and the expected job assurance closely follow the governements? In dutch we call'm, literally translated, 'semi-governement' but I don't know wether I can say it that way. |
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| 11:29.37 | DarkCow | netman1, I don't think so |
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| 11:30.04 | bbrazil | netman1: semi-state |
| 11:30.09 | valdyn | netman1: why are those companies doing that? because they are owned by the state? |
| 11:30.43 | netman1 | Valdyn: sometimes they are (electrical, water, gas) |
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| 11:31.33 | netman1 | netman1: a lot of 'm get privatized under EU rules. (post/telephone etc.) |
| 11:31.39 | kimo | any recommendations for host based IDS? (besides tripwire) |
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| 11:33.02 | netman1 | DarkCow, bbrazil, valdyn: thanks. |
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| 11:37.01 | kevix | netman1: in the USA I can only think of 'union jobs' and 'government jobs' or 'federal jobs |
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| 11:38.03 | Storkme | how can i tell if a directory is a symlink or a real directory? |
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| 11:38.57 | resiak | stat? |
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| 11:39.00 | valdyn | Storkme: a symlink is not a directory |
| 11:39.23 | blk | simas2: did i ask for spam? |
| 11:39.31 | Storkme | yeah but a symlink could link to the directory, couldn't it? |
| 11:39.40 | [machine] | storkme: to what end? |
| 11:39.49 | valdyn | Storkme: lrwxrwxrwx <- mind the 'l' |
| 11:39.57 | [machine] | stork: you can find out with file -h <dir path> |
| 11:40.03 | valdyn | Storkme: there would be a 'd' if it was a directory |
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| 11:40.22 | Storkme | yeah, it's a link |
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| 11:40.24 | kevix | Storkme: are you using this info for a script is a particular language? |
| 11:40.30 | Storkme | damn lucky i didn't delete anything in it :) |
| 11:40.35 | blondie | or enable colours in ls |
| 11:40.49 | Storkme | how do i do that :) ? |
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| 11:40.52 | blk | does somebody have an egalax-chip touchscreen? (evtouch, touchkitusb driver) |
| 11:40.59 | blondie | ls --color=auto |
| 11:41.02 | dorel_ | i've got the via82cxxx module loaded (for sound) but i have no /dev/dsp or /dev/sound... where do i direct it? |
| 11:41.14 | blondie | and uncomment the lines for that in .bashrc |
| 11:41.22 | omry | simas2, is an on-join bot. |
| 11:41.27 | peterS | dorel_: 'via82cxxx' is an IDE driver, 'via82cxxx_audio' is a sound driver |
| 11:41.28 | DarkCow | dorel_, /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| 11:41.35 | blondie | symlinks show in cyan and dirs in blue |
| 11:41.38 | peterS | dorel_: both drivers are, of course, for VIA chipsets (: |
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| 11:41.55 | dorel_ | alright |
| 11:41.57 | dorel_ | let me check |
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| 11:42.07 | resiak | I confir that simas2 is an on-join bot. azeem: around? :) |
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| 11:42.26 | peterS | dorel_: anyway, as others are implying, you may want to use the 'snd-via82xx' ALSA driver rather than the 'via82cxxx_audio' old-style driver |
| 11:42.29 | dorel_ | i got snd_via82xx and a bunch of other snd* |
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| 11:42.42 | peterS | dorel_: ok so you already have that, now just load 'snd-pcm-oss' if you have not already |
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| 11:43.17 | dorel_ | ahh leet, thanks |
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| 11:43.32 | Storkme | is there any way to find the collective size of all the files in a directory? |
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| 11:43.50 | azeem | resiak: thx |
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| 11:44.14 | valdyn | Storkme: du -hs /path/to/directory |
| 11:44.25 | resiak | azeem: np. |
| 11:44.25 | Storkme | ah |
| 11:44.28 | Storkme | that explains it |
| 11:44.32 | Storkme | my music collection is 4G |
| 11:44.36 | Storkme | i need a bigger hdd :) |
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| 11:45.16 | POVaddct | pyragine79: i cannot send you private messages |
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| 11:46.13 | argent | azeem: try n=*@... |
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| 11:46.32 | azeem | they have all different IPs, no? |
| 11:46.34 | dorel_ | there's /dev/dsp and mplayer doesn't complain now about 'no sound' though i dont hear anything :P |
| 11:46.34 | POVaddct | pyragine79: /join #neighbor |
| 11:46.44 | bbrazil | argent: I'd go for *@ - what if they start using ident? |
| 11:46.49 | peterS | azeem: he meant instead of *!*n=@85.104.21.* |
| 11:46.52 | azeem | I'm not going to ban 85.* |
| 11:46.55 | sepski | arget ; * [argent] (n=argent@59.178.28.118): Silver MoonDragon you think thats so clever ;) |
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| 11:47.26 | argent | sepski: what's so clever? |
| 11:47.39 | argent | bbrazil: point |
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| 11:48.04 | mada | good morning |
| 11:48.16 | argent | moring mada |
| 11:48.17 | resiak | azeem: You meant n=* not *n= |
| 11:48.24 | argent | *morning |
| 11:48.41 | azeem | yeah |
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| 11:50.11 | hjubal | hi.. I'm "playing" with kernel 2.6.8 compilation.. on the 2nd time make-kpkg complain about previous "/lib/modules/2.6.8-060408" modules |
| 11:50.17 | mada | so, what's the deal with apt4rpm? i sat down at a fedora core machine the other day and was able to apt-get, i felt dirty afterwards ... had to run home to my debian machine |
| 11:50.21 | hjubal | can I remove them all manually? |
| 11:50.48 | hjubal | apt-get remove xx removed kernel image but not modules |
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| 11:51.20 | mada | hjubal: i'm sure you can remove anything manually as long as you are root on the box |
| 11:51.26 | argent | and.... they're back! |
| 11:51.36 | mada | ? |
| 11:51.42 | blondie | azeem: +b [98*!*@* :P |
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| 11:52.15 | hjubal | mada, sure ;) ..but i really do love my sarge, and do not want to destroy anything |
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| 11:53.12 | mada | hjubal: that is where the questions of "what can i safely remove" come in ... sadly, i a question i am not knowledgeable enough to answer |
| 11:54.51 | hjubal | I'm going to recompile kernel from the same sources.. so I think there shouldn't be no problem |
| 11:56.36 | tobiask | hjubal: let's get some things straight. are these the modules in /lib/modules/2.6.8-060408 for the kernel you're currently running? |
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| 11:57.49 | hjubal | tobiask, no.. I'm running kernel 2.4.27-2-386, from sarge installation |
| 11:58.03 | hjubal | now i'm trying to compile on my own 2.6.8 |
| 11:58.05 | k3mper | hi, is there something special if i want to install debian on existing LVM volume? (created by ubuntu installer) |
| 11:58.12 | tobiask | hjubal: then you don't have to be afraid of deleting this directory, do you? |
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| 11:59.15 | hjubal | tobiask, ok.. just wondering why "apt-get remove" left those modules |
| 12:00.26 | tobiask | hjubal: how did you build your kernel? "make-kpkg kernel_image"? |
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| 12:00.56 | hjubal | yes |
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| 12:01.15 | tobiask | hjubal: and what _exactly_ did you type in to uninstall? |
| 12:02.00 | hjubal | I've created the deb file with "$ fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -myName --revision=1 kernel_image" |
| 12:02.04 | argent | !bootsplash |
| 12:02.04 | dpkg | methinks bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 12:02.09 | lehmann | hola |
| 12:02.18 | argent | hola lehmann |
| 12:02.21 | hjubal | then dpkg -i <kernel_deb> |
| 12:02.32 | lehmann | since the last dist-upgrade i have no /dev/sda1 anymore when pluggin in my usb-mp3 player |
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| 12:02.45 | lehmann | how can i mount it now? |
| 12:02.52 | hjubal | I removed with "apt-get remove kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686" |
| 12:02.53 | lehmann | hola argent :) |
| 12:03.01 | tobiask | hjubal: i'm just a bit worried, that you maybe removed the wrong kernel, that's why i'm asking. |
| 12:03.21 | hjubal | eheh no |
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| 12:03.38 | tobiask | go to /lib/modules and find out, if everything is there that should be there, especially the mods for your running kernel. |
| 12:04.40 | tobiask | hjubal: because kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 does not sound like kernel-image-2.6.8-060408 |
| 12:05.47 | hjubal | you're right.. I forgot to tell that I installed kernel-image-2.6.8-060408 and removed |
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| 12:06.56 | hjubal | ops, wait.. :( I installed and removed kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 12:07.33 | hjubal | then compiled (first time) kernel-image-2.6.8-060408, which didn't work, and removed |
| 12:07.50 | miller7 | hello guys. New to debian and I can't find a safe way to reinstall perl (base) |
| 12:08.00 | hjubal | and compiled a second time kernel 2.6.8 |
| 12:08.00 | miller7 | can someone tell me what is the recommended method? |
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| 12:08.04 | jmp_me | does the kernel handles syscalls? |
| 12:08.06 | argent | lehmann: check if you can see your mp3 player using usbview |
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| 12:10.08 | tobiask | hjubal: well, i think, you actually did not remove the image you compiled yourself, and you should not have removed 2.6.8-3-686. your description is a bit fuzzy but i think, you know what to look for now. |
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| 12:11.28 | hjubal | sure, tnx anyway tobiask |
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| 12:13.01 | tobiask | hjubal: i suggest you do sth. like "dpkg --get-selections | grep kernel-image" to find out what you got and what you don't. |
| 12:13.01 | hjubal | ok |
| 12:13.50 | lehmann | argent: well usbview show it |
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| 12:17.06 | carlo | hi i have a problem with the latest nvidia driver, x crashes after loading kdm |
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| 12:17.10 | carlo | someone could help me?:) |
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| 12:18.42 | Wamty | how do i share my internet in debian like windows(ICS)? |
| 12:19.03 | Neverther | carlo, kernel? |
| 12:19.08 | asg | Wamty: /msg dpkg nat |
| 12:19.10 | carlo | Neverther: 2.6.16-5 |
| 12:19.37 | Neverther | carlo, ive heard people have problems with that kernel |
| 12:19.45 | Neverther | should try that someday |
| 12:19.53 | Wamty | asg, yes but where should I start? |
| 12:19.55 | prudhvi | guys i am runnint 2.6.16-1-k7 kernel and i cant get sound working, where am i wrong ? |
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| 12:20.12 | prudhvi | !sound |
| 12:20.12 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 12:20.24 | carlo | Neverther: ok i'll try to revert to 2.6.16-1 :) |
| 12:20.43 | asg | Wamty: with the NAT howto |
| 12:20.43 | Neverther | carlo, no i mean whole x.16 series |
| 12:20.47 | tobiask | Wamty: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s mynetwork -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 12:20.53 | Neverther | 2.6.15 here |
| 12:21.26 | Neverther | don't wan't to change becouse this is so damn much patched version |
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| 12:22.53 | Wamty | Tobiask, should I use this? |
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| 12:24.01 | carlo | Wamty: install ipmasq |
| 12:24.02 | k3mper | how should i install debian sid? |
| 12:24.14 | tobiask | Wamty: thats the minimum you need. actually use of masquerading is discouraged. you should use SNAT instead, if you got a static IP. |
| 12:24.39 | tobiask | Wamty: just replace "mynetwork" with whatever you have, e.g. 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 12:25.04 | ultrt | hi! I have a question: a friend of mine accidentaly deleted some pictures from her camera... I remember that under dos there was an undelete command for fat... is there any chance there is something similar under linux too? |
| 12:25.23 | TBBle | Why Masquerading discouraged? |
| 12:25.30 | TBBle | "Why's " rather |
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| 12:25.37 | resiak | Irritatingly, I found a package which is _designed_ to pull deleted pictures from a camera, and forgot its name |
| 12:26.07 | tobiask | TBBle: i don't exactly remember. i read about it somewhere. *caught |
| 12:27.01 | ultrt | it just sees it as an usb storage.... |
| 12:27.01 | Wamty | Please can someone point me to the NAT tutorial? |
| 12:27.06 | ultrt | so if it could operate on a vfat filesystem it would be great! |
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| 12:27.30 | tobiask | Wamty: oh forgot, you also have to turn on ip forwarding "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
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| 12:28.15 | Wamty | asg, can you point me to the tutorial please? |
| 12:28.35 | asg | Wamty: google 'iptables nat howto' |
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| 12:29.01 | Eclipser | ngh |
| 12:29.16 | resiak | ultrt: try `photorec` from the "testdisk" package. It worked for me. |
| 12:29.17 | Xfree99 | hi.. how knows a good program to read newsgroups ?? * |
| 12:29.47 | Eclipser | I really need to set my dpi setting to 100dpi, this 75dpi is just too small |
| 12:29.56 | asg | Wamty: also, make sure to read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian (regarding the discussion on where to put rules) and use #iptables for further help |
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| 12:30.38 | cahoot | Xfree99: slrn |
| 12:30.41 | asg | Eclipser: edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 12:30.47 | Xfree99 | ok.. |
| 12:30.49 | Andy298 | i've updated an IP in bind, but when i do a dig on the domain it gives me the old ip? |
| 12:30.50 | Xfree99 | thks (: |
| 12:30.54 | Xfree99 | i will see |
| 12:31.01 | asg | Andy298: did you update the Serial number also? |
| 12:31.08 | cahoot | Xfree99: pan if you want looks |
| 12:31.31 | Andy298 | asg: no brb |
| 12:32.50 | Eclipser | asg, funny, it says -dpi 100 there... xdpyinfo says 75x75 dots per inch... |
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| 12:33.10 | asg | Eclipser: are you using a *dm to start X? If so, you'll need to edit the config for whichever you use |
| 12:33.19 | Eclipser | yes, gdm :) |
| 12:33.36 | Andy298 | how do i restart bind? |
| 12:33.45 | asg | Andy298: rndc reload (if bind9) |
| 12:33.51 | resiak | /etc/init.d/named restart ? |
| 12:33.52 | asg | Andy298: or pkill -HUP named |
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| 12:34.29 | cahoot | Eclipser: x should really set the appropriate dpi without your interference |
| 12:34.30 | Wamty | ldapadd: invalid format (line 2) entry: "cn=my user, ou=Consultancy, o=company" |
| 12:35.04 | Eclipser | cahoot, perhaps, but 75 makes all text way too small |
| 12:35.17 | oskie | why does my ~/.ssh/known_hosts look so weird? no ASCII host names, only base64-encoded names or something |
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| 12:35.33 | asg | oskie: that changed sometime ago, scan the changelog |
| 12:35.56 | Andy298 | ok still not working |
| 12:35.57 | oskie | asg: ok so there a way to list contents as ASCII? |
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| 12:36.27 | Eclipser | cahoot, does it matter if I try to force it to 100? :) |
| 12:36.39 | asg | oskie: look at the HashKnownHosts parameter in ssh(1) |
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| 12:37.31 | oskie | asg: oops..I was using ssh 3.8.1p1 on one host.. |
| 12:38.01 | asg | oskie: also, sshd(8) has a discussion of the known_hosts file format |
| 12:38.02 | cahoot | Eclipser: there is only one correct dpi for the given resolution - set DisplaySize |
| 12:38.08 | Andy298 | when i ping the domain i get the old ip |
| 12:38.10 | oskie | asg: ah ok.. good |
| 12:38.53 | cahoot | Eclipser: in Section Monitor |
| 12:38.59 | Eclipser | pft |
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| 12:39.15 | cahoot | Eclipser: you dispute that? |
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| 12:39.50 | Eclipser | when sarge was testing, my dpi setting "automatically" jumped to something else almost everytime there was a new update... |
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| 12:43.00 | WindowsUninstall | Where Can I find xgl package? |
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| 12:44.16 | dimir | glx extension for X you mean? |
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| 12:44.40 | sparr | I am trying to compile the GIMP. There is a debian package for it, so I assume someone somewhere with a debian system built it, but the build process requires tools for which there are not debian packages. Help? |
| 12:45.07 | dimir | sparr: an example? |
| 12:45.41 | sparr | gimp says: checking for glib-gettextize >= 2.2.0 ... Too old (found version 2.10.1)! |
| 12:45.48 | cahoot | sparr: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 12:45.55 | sparr | dpkg says: libglib2.0-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 12:46.09 | azeem | sparr: that's obviously bogus |
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| 12:46.19 | azeem | sparr: check config.log for further hints |
| 12:46.24 | sparr | yeah, i just found out |
| 12:46.24 | kon | what does "invalid range end" mean when doing "update-grub"? i dare not to reboot now... |
| 12:46.26 | sparr | go string comparison! |
| 12:46.34 | TBBle | "apt-get source gimp" and see what the Debian package does to the source before building it? |
| 12:47.07 | dimir | sparr: ye. Seems it thinks 2.10.1 is older than 2.2.0 :-) |
| 12:47.18 | dimir | sparr: you maybe need to fix configure script. |
| 12:47.35 | azeem | sparr: which version of gimp are you trying to compile? |
| 12:47.57 | dimir | TBBle: you can install the build dependencies by issuing: apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 12:48.00 | sparr | azeem: cutting edge :) from cvs |
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| 12:48.18 | Jhair | sparr: you could check the configure.in file to see how the rules look like... |
| 12:48.20 | mins | hello |
| 12:48.30 | dimir | hi |
| 12:48.30 | oskie | why does my ssh only use 'publickey,password' when ssh'ing to another host? I guess it has to use keyboard-interactive for PAM stuff to succeed |
| 12:48.46 | sparr | Jhair: i just told autogen.sh that 2.0.0 was required :) |
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| 12:49.07 | mins | What is the functionality of the USER_HZ constant in kernel source in include/asm-i386/param.h |
| 12:49.09 | mins | ? |
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| 12:50.33 | mins | HZ constant in param.h is number of timer interrupt in 1 second. However I don't know what USER_HZ functions |
| 12:50.55 | jodokus | where can I find a good guidebook for a webserver? |
| 12:51.20 | mins | www.apache.org |
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| 12:51.36 | asg | jodokus: or install the apache-doc package |
| 12:51.43 | mins | yes! |
| 12:51.46 | mins | ^^ |
| 12:51.56 | dimir | mins: grep USER_HZ /usr/src/linux/Documentation/* -rn |
| 12:52.03 | jodokus | oké, thx |
| 12:52.04 | mins | oh! |
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| 12:52.06 | mins | Thanks!! |
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| 12:52.37 | dimir | np. |
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| 12:53.33 | wakejagr | anyone know why a fakeroot make-kpkg would freeze my system? i thought my box was having hardware issues, but it freezes only when i'm using fakeroot to compile a kernel |
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| 12:55.16 | mins | Linux Documents says, "XFS uses USER_HZ for external interfaces." |
| 12:55.27 | mins | What does it means? |
| 12:55.49 | mins | Why USER_HZ is needed for external interfaces? |
| 12:57.23 | asg | alapzaj[AWAY]: turn that off |
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| 13:04.16 | blondie | FFS |
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| 13:05.31 | valdyn | mins: why do you care about XFS implementation details? |
| 13:05.43 | blondie | how do you get a hotplug (which isn't really hotplug -- linux is being an arse) network interface to start automatically on boot? |
| 13:05.55 | valdyn | mins: this is also the wrong channel for such information ) |
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| 13:07.03 | blondie | or, how do I get it to not use hotplug on a device that's builtin to the motherboard... |
| 13:07.25 | ultrt | resiak, thanks! |
| 13:07.28 | ultrt | I'm trying it! |
| 13:07.35 | valdyn | blondie: why should hotplug have anything to do with your problem? |
| 13:08.06 | blondie | because debian thinks my network "card" is hotplug and so puts hotplug crap in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:08.14 | blondie | and it doesn't start automatically |
| 13:08.46 | valdyn | blondie: that's a certain package from debian, unlikely that 'hotplug' does that... |
| 13:09.00 | blondie | well why does it do it? I never asked it to |
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| 13:09.23 | vin` | blondie: sarge? |
| 13:09.26 | valdyn | blondie: you should read the faq on how to setup network interfaces |
| 13:09.27 | blondie | no etch |
| 13:09.31 | blondie | I know how to set them up |
| 13:09.43 | vin` | blondie: so using udev, no hotplug? |
| 13:09.46 | blondie | if I do it normally it refuses to work |
| 13:09.47 | valdyn | !info gnome-network-manager etch |
| 13:09.54 | blondie | I don't want that thanks |
| 13:09.56 | adii | do anyone know about x1600 drivers for etch ? do they exist ? |
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| 13:09.58 | mzilikazi | is it possible to list installed packages only from a specific repo? |
| 13:10.08 | valdyn | blondie: whatever, it has nothing to do with hotplug |
| 13:10.13 | blondie | yes it does |
| 13:10.25 | blondie | why is there loads of hotplug crap in there? |
| 13:10.32 | Neverther | adii, is there a suppoer for x1600 for linux <--- that's the right question |
| 13:10.38 | Neverther | support* |
| 13:10.40 | valdyn | blondie: in where? like for example? |
| 13:10.45 | blondie | I said already |
| 13:10.51 | adii | neverther : is there a right answer too ? |
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| 13:11.35 | valdyn | blondie: you're being to vague, best paste your interfaces file and your lspci output somewhere ( if the devices is a pci device ) |
| 13:11.39 | blondie | that is interfaces http://pastebin.com/649402 |
| 13:11.40 | Neverther | adii, id say that the driver might work, but it moght not regonize the card (support for new cards is this and that) |
| 13:11.46 | Neverther | might* |
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| 13:12.40 | blondie | and lspci http://pastebin.com/649405 |
| 13:13.15 | valdyn | blondie: now fix your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 13:13.24 | blondie | I have fixed it. |
| 13:13.30 | valdyn | blondie: and tell us _what_ isnt working after you did that |
| 13:13.31 | oskie | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libpam0g whoops! |
| 13:14.08 | valdyn | blondie: and paste your new interfaces file... |
| 13:14.09 | Coweater | anyone know how to restart gdm so X will softboot my second card again? |
| 13:14.40 | Coweater | i just end up with single monitor right now and have to switch init levels or reboot |
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| 13:14.55 | blondie | ok |
| 13:15.38 | Nemoder | anyone using xorg 7.0.9 from experimental? |
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| 13:17.11 | blondie | hmm it works this time though it didn't before |
| 13:17.20 | blondie | but anyway, the installer is broken if it puts that stuff in there |
| 13:17.23 | RedNinja- | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). <- how can I solve it? |
| 13:17.33 | valdyn | blondie: the etch installer isnt supposed to be working |
| 13:17.37 | vin` | blondie: why? I have that stuff, all works well. |
| 13:17.45 | valdyn | blondie: if you use it for something else than beta testing it, your problem |
| 13:17.45 | blondie | vin`: because it's an onboard NIC |
| 13:18.07 | blondie | valdyn: yes, so it needs fixing |
| 13:18.16 | blondie | stable is too out of date |
| 13:18.36 | valdyn | blondie: why would stable be out of date? |
| 13:18.43 | Coweater | so fix it or use the stable installer and upgrade |
| 13:18.45 | blondie | because it's old? |
| 13:18.55 | vin` | Nemoder: it should be hitting unstable anytime now. |
| 13:19.16 | valdyn | blondie: age is hardly a good point |
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| 13:19.37 | blondie | it is when I want new things, and want my hardware to be supported |
| 13:19.39 | Nemoder | vin`: well, the last update to 6.x in testing isn't working for me, was wondering if it was worth trying to go to 7 |
| 13:19.52 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:19.53 | dpkg | well, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 13:19.55 | vin` | Nemoder: why is it not working? |
| 13:20.02 | valdyn | blondie: ^^ then you could use what dpkg said |
| 13:20.06 | Nemoder | vin`: segfaults randomly |
| 13:20.06 | blondie | no |
| 13:20.10 | Nemoder | vin`: i sent in a bugreport |
| 13:20.21 | RedNinja- | Any idea guys? |
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| 13:20.52 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 13:20.53 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:20.56 | vin` | Nemoder: ok, there are a few running the experimental packages, not sure how the dependencies would sort out for testing. |
| 13:21.22 | Nemoder | vin`: ok, I'll have to give it a shot |
| 13:21.53 | valdyn | xorg7 is still messy to install |
| 13:22.21 | vin` | what's the main meta package now? xorg? |
| 13:22.45 | valdyn | vin`: yea |
| 13:23.30 | vin` | valdyn: the only issue I had last time was trying to the font 'fixed' in there. was meaning to try a newer version. |
| 13:23.52 | vin` | s/the/get the |
| 13:24.18 | valdyn | vin`: the font is there for months but the directory layout changed, transition is probably still not flawless.. |
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| 13:25.05 | valdyn | vin`: uh, in the svn i mean, i dont know what is and isnt in experimental |
| 13:25.05 | vin` | valdyn: yeah, remember reading a bit, used links2 -g on console one whole day. :) |
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| 13:25.12 | oskie | where are debconf answers stored? |
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| 13:26.37 | vin` | oskie: anything interesting in /var/cache/debconf? |
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| 13:31.19 | Nemoder | aaand it crashed again, I guess I'll chat from ubuntu :/ |
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| 13:34.16 | vin` | Nemoder: tried copying the ubuntu xorg.conf across? |
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| 13:34.43 | Nemoder | vin`, still grabbing the 7.0 packages |
| 13:34.44 | unity | can anyone help me execute this script? -rwxr-xr-x Juice/encxvid.sh when i try, i get bash: Juice/encxvid.sh: Permission denied, even as root |
| 13:35.01 | blondie | impossible |
| 13:35.16 | asg | unity: does it run if you use /bin/sh Juice/encxvid.sh? |
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| 13:35.30 | omry | hi, when using a seperate boot partition for /boot, what is the most appropriate layout : to have /boot inside that partition or just the content of /boot directly? |
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| 13:35.48 | unity | asg: yes thank you |
| 13:36.03 | asg | unity: check the shebang line at the top of the .sh file, it should be #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash |
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| 13:36.15 | unity | asg: bash used to be able to do it on my old linux...oh well thx again |
| 13:36.34 | asg | unity: you're welcome |
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| 13:36.58 | asg | unity: I think the default may have been changed as a security feature but I'm not sure. |
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| 13:38.12 | unity | asg: bash: Juice/encxvid.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied. oh well i don't mind running it inside sh |
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| 13:40.07 | unity | ok now sh can't execute it either... |
| 13:40.25 | blondie | unity: what is the first line of the file |
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| 13:40.36 | blondie | also, is it in unix format or windows format? |
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| 13:40.44 | Hosti | <ZorbaTHut> also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 <-- Titanic: The Sequel! |
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| 13:41.31 | unity | blondie: unix format and i took out the hashbang line because sh was able to execute it without that line a minute ago |
| 13:41.50 | unity | blondie: but now it can't for some reason |
| 13:41.54 | aronofsky | hi , got a question , can anyone tell me where I can define gtk default font size on my system ? |
| 13:41.56 | blondie | er |
| 13:42.32 | asg | aronofsky: gtk-theme-switch package iirc |
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| 13:43.19 | unity | oh damnit...the script echos out "sh: ./encxvid.sh: Permission denied" !! wierd twisted joke |
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| 13:44.13 | lord_rob | hi ! How can I see how much physical RAM there is in my box ? (Not how much is available) |
| 13:44.43 | unity | lord_rob: `free` |
| 13:44.57 | belkin | what do i need so i can play m4a files ? |
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| 13:45.48 | aronofsky | asg, and then after it is installed |
| 13:45.53 | lord_rob | belkin: mplayer ? |
| 13:46.06 | asg | aronofsky: use switch or switch2 (for gtk v1 or gtk v2) |
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| 13:46.38 | aronofsky | asg, how do I know which one i use on my system ? |
| 13:46.52 | belkin | lord_rob is there anyway i can play thoso files with xmms ? |
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| 13:47.17 | Voltage | Haha, 771 users |
| 13:47.27 | Voltage | Diggididamn :p |
| 13:47.36 | unity | does anyone know if there is a way to limit a process to only take 30% of my processor max at any time? (i know about renicing, but it still takes 100% processor at nice 19 if nothing else is using processor) |
| 13:47.41 | lord_rob | belkin: hmmm I don't know but I don't think so |
| 13:47.52 | asg | aronofsky: not sure offhand, #gnome on irc.gnome.org is probably a better forum |
| 13:48.04 | unity | -rwxrwx-w-x users |
| 13:48.19 | unity | without the x at the end |
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| 13:49.00 | asg | unity: there may be some non-standard kernel patches to handle that but you can't by default. |
| 13:49.14 | vin` | Nemoder: I'm at it as well, lemme know how it goes. |
| 13:49.21 | Voltage | Maybe one of you can help me a little bit, I just installed proftpd, now i need to creat a user, the user should be able to upload files to /var/www - some one now who to type? |
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| 13:49.54 | blondie | Voltage: it uses normal users |
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| 13:50.25 | fm | Voltage, useradd -d /var/www -s /sbin/nologin username |
| 13:50.45 | blondie | you need to change permissions of /var/www too |
| 13:51.29 | Voltage | blondie: say what? :P |
| 13:51.30 | blondie | I think users need a shell that's in /etc/shells to use FTP |
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| 13:51.52 | Voltage | fm, can I type that any where, or do i need to be in a speciell dir? |
| 13:51.53 | blondie | (I'd use scp/sftp instead anyway) |
| 13:52.17 | blondie | Voltage: you need to create a user -- ftp doesn't have seperate user accounts |
| 13:52.27 | Destructo | hello all. i dont run debian, but trying to help someone ouut. debianusues xorg ..? should they use xorgconfig to setup ? |
| 13:52.45 | asg | Destructo: no, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:52.47 | dvs | Destructo: sarge does not use X.org |
| 13:52.56 | fm | Voltage, you can type it anywhere, either switching to super user acount using 'su' or sudo |
| 13:53.01 | Destructo | ah ok. ill ask what theyre using |
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| 13:53.24 | blondie | fm: /sbin/nologin isn't a standard debian shell |
| 13:53.46 | dvs | blondie: is /bin/false ? ;-) |
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| 13:53.59 | blondie | yes but I don't think it'll work with FTP |
| 13:54.02 | Voltage | fm, i am logged in as SU now |
| 13:54.15 | blondie | FTP users need proper shells |
| 13:54.26 | blondie | (ones in /etc/shells) |
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| 13:55.32 | Destructo | asg dvs thanks. |
| 13:55.36 | fm | Voltage, ok. |
| 13:55.48 | fm | blondie, what's the equivalent in Debian ? |
| 13:55.55 | blondie | /bin/false |
| 13:56.09 | blondie | but you need a shell in /etc/shells for ftp to work |
| 13:56.21 | blondie | unless that's what nologin does, I don't know |
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| 13:57.24 | Voltage | haha |
| 13:57.36 | fm | well, in redhat giving /bin/false means no FTP too (atleast with proftp) |
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| 13:57.41 | Voltage | Damn, don't understand jack you guy said |
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| 13:57.47 | Destructo | Maynard1 hey hey |
| 13:57.54 | blondie | fm: ok, don't know what the equivalent in debian is |
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| 13:58.02 | blondie | Voltage: good luck then |
| 13:58.13 | insidius | How can i select all in emacs? if anyone knows that would be great |
| 13:58.27 | Maynard1 | hey.. |
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| 13:58.52 | Maynard1 | i'm looking to install xorgconfig with debian.. |
| 13:59.02 | Maynard1 | don't know the command |
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| 13:59.10 | Destructo | asg Destructo: no, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:59.11 | Destructo | dvs Destructo: sarge does not use X.org |
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| 13:59.15 | Voltage | blacke: thanks :) |
| 13:59.18 | Destructo | Maynard1 read that |
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| 14:00.17 | Maynard1 | i tried that already |
| 14:00.20 | fm | Voltage, did you manage to do what you want ? |
| 14:00.21 | Coweater | insidius: Cx |
| 14:00.25 | Maynard1 | it says it's not intalled |
| 14:00.35 | Coweater | ineiros: C-x h i mean |
| 14:00.35 | Destructo | Maynard1 checkout the channel list here .. for debin help |
| 14:00.37 | Destructo | debian |
| 14:00.42 | gdp | Hi. I got a little problem. I remapped my keys, so now the left and right arrows are nowhere near their original position. They work just fine, except for one thing: they wont auto-repeat. I tried with xset, but it does nothing. What can I do? |
| 14:01.00 | asg | Destructo: then you can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or /msg dpkg sarge xorg |
| 14:01.40 | Destructo | asg im a slackware user . i was trying to guide Maynard1 here for help |
| 14:01.45 | Destructo | thnaks though |
| 14:01.48 | Destructo | eh |
| 14:02.12 | VivekVC | Where debian packages get installed with an apt-get ? |
| 14:02.23 | VivekVC | Where does* |
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| 14:02.37 | blondie | in the appropriate place |
| 14:02.48 | franklin_ | Voltage, you need 1- create a user ; 2- create a group for web editors ; 3- ch'grp /var/www to that group ; 4- put the new user in that group. |
| 14:02.58 | gdp | somewhere safe and secret |
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| 14:03.33 | Maynard1 | i don't see any debian help channel |
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| 14:03.51 | Destructo | Maynard1 ok.. |
| 14:03.52 | gdp | (its this one) |
| 14:03.54 | Ronin | Maynard1: what do you think this is? |
| 14:04.09 | Nemoder | vin`, can't seem to get it to work with the nvidia driver Failed to load module "glx" (a requried submodule could not be loaded, 0) |
| 14:04.58 | Destructo | Maynard1 try that .. http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2002/02/msg00097.html |
| 14:05.06 | vin` | Nemoder: no nvidia here. \o/ |
| 14:05.22 | VivekVC | /etc/<package name>/* seems to have the configuration files..., is that the location where packages gets installed with and apt-get ? |
| 14:05.25 | Maynard1 | well, i know what this is.. Destructo was saying to find a debian help channel |
| 14:05.25 | Maynard1 | <Destructo> Maynard1 checkout the channel list here .. for debin help |
| 14:05.25 | Maynard1 | <Destructo> debian |
| 14:05.55 | Destructo | eh |
| 14:06.16 | Destructo | Maynard1 this is where you want to be. im going back to #freebsd good luck man |
| 14:06.28 | Nemoder | vin`, well nvidia's installer did it's thing ok but I must be missing some a package somewhere |
| 14:06.32 | asg | VivekVC: dpkg -L <pkg> (will tell you the locations of all files installed by a package) |
| 14:07.15 | VivekVC | asg: Thanks |
| 14:07.20 | asg | VivekVC: you're welcome |
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| 14:07.38 | asg | belkin: please stop spamming the channel |
| 14:07.59 | belkin | asg ups sorry |
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| 14:17.18 | Chuck | qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 14:17.28 | asg | !it |
| 14:17.28 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 14:18.57 | Chuck | grazie |
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| 14:20.25 | asg | Prego |
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| 14:23.30 | Maynard1 | i've recompiled my kernel a few times now. when i boot up i see a list of all the kernels. Is there a way to remove the ones i don't want? |
| 14:23.51 | asg | Maynard1: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or /etc/lilo.conf (depending on which bootloader you use) |
| 14:23.53 | resiak | You installed them with kernel-package, yes? |
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| 14:25.09 | Maynard1 | i did them using make menuconfig |
| 14:25.22 | Maynard1 | then installed the .deb |
| 14:25.59 | asg | Maynard1: oh, then just remove the deb using dpkg -P or apt-get remove --purge |
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| 14:26.23 | Eclipser | aptitude purge :p |
| 14:26.44 | Maynard1 | will i be able to choose which ones i remove? |
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| 14:27.06 | resiak | just remove the ones you don't want! |
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| 14:27.56 | Maynard1 | the thing is though, i'm using putty |
| 14:28.03 | Maynard1 | i can't see which ones i need to remove |
| 14:28.09 | asg | Maynard1: yes, use dpkg -la | grep kernel-image |
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| 14:28.19 | asg | Maynard1: or grep linux-image if you are using testing or unstable |
| 14:28.34 | Turms | is there a program for taking a shot of a virtual console? |
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| 14:28.58 | asg | Turms: use script to generate a transcript of a console or screen's logging features |
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| 14:29.39 | Turms | asg: tks |
| 14:29.53 | asg | Turms: you're welcome |
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| 14:32.59 | markn_ | how can i figure out what file my usb mouse is connected to? |
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| 14:33.43 | Nemoder | vin`, got it working :D course all my fonts are ugly as sin |
| 14:33.44 | kerneld | markn_: probaly /dev/input/mice |
| 14:34.10 | markn_ | kerneld: xorg wont start when i specify that |
| 14:34.21 | kerneld | type: cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse around, if you got it, you should see some junk on the screen |
| 14:34.26 | kerneld | then Ctrl-C |
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| 14:34.48 | kerneld | markn_: Do you have usb-hid orwhatever loaded? |
| 14:35.35 | kerneld | sudo modprobe usbhid |
| 14:35.42 | markn_ | dont think so lsmod doesnt say |
| 14:36.01 | kerneld | if that works add usbhid to the end of /etc/modules |
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| 14:36.33 | markn_ | kerneld: tnx |
| 14:36.37 | kerneld | works? |
| 14:37.15 | markn_ | no, what package is that included in? |
| 14:37.15 | flosch | hi |
| 14:37.31 | kerneld | hmm what kernel do you have? |
| 14:37.36 | kerneld | uname -a |
| 14:37.50 | markn_ | 2.4.27-2 |
| 14:37.54 | markn_ | deb sid |
| 14:38.12 | Shorty` | the hell? |
| 14:38.15 | Shorty` | 2.4.27?! |
| 14:38.38 | kerneld | try just: modprobe hid |
| 14:38.46 | markn_ | yeah weird i just did a fresh deb sid installation =) |
| 14:38.49 | kerneld | you might like to get a 2.6 kernel also |
| 14:39.09 | markn_ | that worked |
| 14:39.25 | markn_ | ok thanks |
| 14:39.31 | kerneld | and you get screen junk when you cat /dev/input/mice ? |
| 14:39.50 | markn_ | no such device |
| 14:40.34 | kerneld | next guess is you usb chipset drive loaded |
| 14:40.49 | kerneld | lsmod | grep hci |
| 14:40.51 | oskie | does "ssh -o 'PreferredAuthentications keyboard-interactive' localhost" work for anyone here? |
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| 14:41.20 | markn_ | kerneld: yeah it seams so |
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| 14:41.56 | mins | Is there anybody who know the functionality of USER_HZ value in kernel source in include/asm-i386/param.h? |
| 14:42.08 | oskie | mins: try #kernelnewbies |
| 14:42.13 | kerneld | and the end of dmesg (Lines pertaining to the hid module) |
| 14:42.19 | mins | kernelnewbies? |
| 14:42.24 | mins | what is that? |
| 14:42.30 | kerneld | a channel |
| 14:42.42 | kerneld | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.46 | mins | ok |
| 14:42.49 | mins | thanks |
| 14:43.01 | oskie | mins: try the OFTC channel instead - it has a larger user-base |
| 14:44.27 | mathieup_ | Hi everybody |
| 14:44.34 | mathieup_ | Anyone to help me |
| 14:44.36 | mathieup_ | ? |
| 14:45.01 | mathieup_ | I need to transfert data from my pc (debian) to my smartphone SPV C600 |
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| 14:45.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:45.29 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:48.45 | mins | join #OFTC |
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| 14:49.09 | POVaddct | mins: put a slash "/" before "join" |
| 14:49.10 | franklin_ | mathieu, syncCE(+multisync) allows this... see www.multisync.org (and may be http://www.tom.free.fr/docs/spvc500/linuxspvc500.html ) |
| 14:49.10 | cahoot | mins: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4393 |
| 14:49.16 | kerneld | Hmm, what would be a cool option for apt kinda like the listbugs plugin: email or otherwise the changelog entries between versions |
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| 14:49.32 | jiriki | hmm |
| 14:49.36 | cbr | do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:49.38 | cbr | what does this mean |
| 14:49.39 | cbr | ? |
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| 14:49.50 | jiriki | how could I find packages which "don't depend on anything" and are obsolete |
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| 14:49.58 | jiriki | or packages which nothing else depends on |
| 14:50.12 | kerneld | jiriki: deborphan |
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| 14:50.23 | magyar | is there a way to marry a module to a NIC on sarge? |
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| 14:50.30 | jiriki | kerneld: thanks |
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| 14:51.38 | kerneld | jiriki: You can run it multiple times, sometimes the orphaned libs when removed create more orpahned libs |
| 14:51.46 | mins | cahoot: oh! That's what I want |
| 14:51.50 | mins | Thanks |
| 14:52.00 | jiriki | kerneld: yeah, ty |
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| 14:52.36 | cahoot | magyar: like alias eth0 8139too? |
| 14:52.49 | jiriki | do I want to remove libxslt1.1 or libxml2? :P |
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| 14:53.00 | susanka | hiho, how can i fix fontsizes in aplications ? |
| 14:53.36 | thefish | Defile /bin/.dstock |
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| 14:55.07 | foo | Alright guys - this is really bugging me. I jus reinstalled debian. Built a kernel the debian way with --initrd, and when I try to install it it says, "Could not find mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird." ... and it errors on the install. Any idea why I am getting this? I have built a kernel the same way previously and it worked |
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| 14:55.27 | anchorman | hello room |
| 14:55.31 | resiak | !room |
| 14:55.31 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 14:55.39 | thefish | hello channel |
| 14:55.41 | resiak | Newer kernels need either yaird or initramfs-tools to build an initrd |
| 14:55.43 | anchorman | hello channel |
| 14:55.46 | thingfish | foo: maybe you need yaird |
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| 14:56.19 | surfdue | hey |
| 14:56.31 | surfdue | im having problems finding the cd iso for debian :P |
| 14:56.39 | anchorman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.49 | anchorman | it will work with something like areosnort |
| 14:56.58 | mathieup_ | franklin_, I tried each step, but it does not work |
| 14:56.58 | thingfish | surfdue: do you want the whole CD set, or just a netinstall CD? |
| 14:56.58 | anchorman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.01 | pngwn | surfdue, debian.org/CD |
| 14:57.10 | foo | thingfish: Already have it installed. |
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| 14:57.19 | surfdue | well the hole cd set cause my lappy wireless card dosnt work with the netinst |
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| 14:58.08 | eleftherios | sound has stopped working all of a sudden, any ideas fro troubleshooting? |
| 14:58.14 | eleftherios | I am on sagre |
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| 14:58.56 | cahoot | eleftherios: alsa? oss? artsd? esd? |
| 14:58.56 | digijohn | Hello everyone. I just compiled a new kernel, but when I boot I get the following error: |
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| 14:59.11 | kronoz | <eleftherios>: su; alsaconf |
| 14:59.14 | digijohn | VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:59.19 | eleftherios | cahoot, it is alsa I think |
| 14:59.22 | foo | thingfish: An more ideas? |
| 14:59.26 | cahoot | I think? |
| 14:59.37 | thingfish | foo: ask resiak - he knows way more than I do. |
| 14:59.37 | digijohn | Do you know what's wrong here? |
| 14:59.47 | foo | thingfish: hanks |
| 14:59.51 | foo | resiak: Any ideas? |
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| 15:00.24 | Nemoder | digijohn, did you set the drivers for the disk to be modules? |
| 15:00.39 | digijohn | Nemoder: Hmmm. I hope not, but that could be. |
| 15:00.46 | digijohn | I'll check |
| 15:01.33 | Nemoder | digijohn, check all that ATA/SATA stuff and your filesystems, if any are modules you won't be able to load them if they are on the drive you need them for |
| 15:01.42 | digijohn | okay |
| 15:01.44 | kerneld | foo: do you have initramfs-tools installed? |
| 15:02.01 | digijohn | I've made sure that ext3 is compiled in, not as a module |
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| 15:02.21 | foo | kerneld: heh, bingo. I didn't have that installed. I bet that will fix it. Bah. |
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| 15:05.14 | digijohn | Okay, I'm compiling this for an older laptop... do I need PCMCIA IDE support built in, or as a module? |
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| 15:05.53 | Prudhvi_ | is there any problem with Audio/Sound in Debian Sid ? |
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| 15:06.48 | Prudhvi_ | !alsa |
| 15:06.49 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist> |
| 15:07.36 | franklin_ | digijohn, unless you want to boot from an external cdrom drive, i guess "module" is better. |
| 15:08.04 | thefish | no |
| 15:08.15 | thingfish | Prudhvi_: maybe bugs.debian.org/<packagename> can help. |
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| 15:08.39 | Prudhvi_ | thingfish, i cant figure out which package the problem belongs to. |
| 15:09.19 | thingfish | Prudhvi_: yeah, that can be tricky. |
| 15:09.26 | whitehorse1 | Hi, I've a question about the popularity-contest tool (etch's version). I've read the man page, the /usr/share/doc/$packagename docs and they didn't help. Running on a desktop, I'm logged in as erm, $user:me. Does popcon log packages I use or only ones the root user (when I su into root) uses? It might seem a stupid question but I'm foxed. :o) |
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| 15:10.01 | thefish | if ( ) |
| 15:10.26 | webwolf_27 | lpr doesn't seem to be working on sid, and it's cousing any app I try to print with to crash |
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| 15:11.42 | webwolf_27 | anybody have a clue as to what I can do, it WAS working good |
| 15:12.29 | whitehorse1 | Oh, and it's set to use HTTP rather than exim/$foo to send the popcon reports via the cronjob; in case it matters. On another point, which logfile would I check down the line to see if it is sending them out? (presumably not apache's) |
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| 15:13.10 | m1ke_l | anyone know what x driver to use for debian on sparc? |
| 15:13.14 | magyar | cahoot: yes sir |
| 15:13.38 | magyar | cahoot: but that doesnt work, works good in redhat tough |
| 15:14.07 | sussudio | W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 189 191 |
| 15:14.09 | sussudio | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 15:14.12 | sussudio | moo? |
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| 15:14.45 | whitehorse1 | sussudio: Got that the other day. Tried over and it didn't pop up that time. I put it down to Gremlins |
| 15:14.59 | sussudio | !blame canada |
| 15:15.19 | whitehorse1 | m1ke_l: Don't know. Depends what's in the box. Fallback to using Vesa? |
| 15:15.33 | whitehorse1 | oops |
| 15:15.55 | m1ke_l | i chose sunc16...i think that means "Creator", maybe? |
| 15:15.59 | magyar | !suck |
| 15:15.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 15:15.59 | m1ke_l | thats what i got |
| 15:16.02 | m1ke_l | we shall see |
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| 15:16.36 | magyar | is there a way to marry a module to a NIC on sarge? |
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| 15:16.54 | magyar | bleh |
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| 15:17.19 | MrParity | hi ho :-) |
| 15:17.26 | m1ke_l | morning |
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| 15:19.04 | MrParity | i have a problem with debian (amd64). actually i'm not able to print. i think it happends after an update. the ghostscrips eps throws an error - it looks strange for me :)= |
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| 15:19.22 | MrParity | is there anyone with the same problem? |
| 15:19.56 | m1ke_l | how are you printing? network, direct, etc? |
| 15:20.01 | magyar | is there a way to prevent a kernel module from loading? |
| 15:20.02 | whitehorse1 | m1ke_l: Google throws up a forum post about some guy's adventures with debian on sparcs. want link? |
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| 15:20.17 | m1ke_l | whitehorse1 yes please |
| 15:20.28 | ILF_ | how to stop ntpdate from running at boot-time? |
| 15:20.32 | whitehorse1 | m1ke_l: http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/bb/sutra821199.html |
| 15:21.21 | m1ke_l | thanks |
| 15:21.26 | MrParity | m1ke_l: directly (parport) |
| 15:21.54 | MrParity | m1ke_l: oh, i found a bugreport |
| 15:22.04 | m1ke_l | glad i could help |
| 15:22.06 | brotherJohn1234 | ILF_: edit /etc/init.d/ntpdate. I added a 'exit 0' in the 2nd line . |
| 15:22.09 | MrParity | m1ke_l: it looks like my promlem |
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| 15:22.55 | whitehorse1 | ILF_: Or run sysvconfig utility if you want a (text) menu interface to disabling it |
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| 15:24.29 | MrParity | m1ke_l: ok, there is not my problem in the database :( |
| 15:24.36 | sullivan | alguem fala portugues? |
| 15:24.42 | ILF_ | brotherJohn1234: thanks |
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| 15:24.48 | thingfish | falam portugues no #debian-br |
| 15:25.34 | sullivan | beleza. |
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| 15:25.47 | whitehorse1 | I've a very basic popularity-contest tool query (etch version). Read man & /usr/share/doc/$packagename docs but they didn't clear it up. On my desktop, am logged in as a normal user. Does popcon log packages I use or solely those that root uses (i.e. when I su to root)? It's set to send popcon reports via HTTP, incidentally. |
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| 15:29.10 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: no matter who uses what |
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| 15:29.32 | whitehorse1 | tarzeau: thank you very much |
| 15:29.32 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: check /var/log/popularity-contest.* |
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| 15:30.22 | Tarantulafudg1 | How do I install a working sendmail? when I try doing aptitude install sendmail, it just decides to do nothing because of exim |
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| 15:30.25 | ILF_ | i added "EDITMOTD=no" to /etc/default/rcS, yet my motd gets changed on every boot. how to disable? |
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| 15:30.50 | Tarantulafudg1 | I tried uninstalling all the exim components too but I think it completely borked the localized sendmail usage |
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| 15:30.59 | Tarantulafudg1 | anyone? |
| 15:31.01 | coulix | if i wan to searh for a string in PATH how doi do ? |
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| 15:31.21 | kerneld | coulix: wchi foo ? |
| 15:31.30 | kerneld | sed/wci/which/ |
| 15:31.34 | coulix | ah ok |
| 15:31.41 | coulix | can i do it with find ? |
| 15:31.44 | Fox_1_ | how say ccze that it doesn't make report for 192.168.0.5 IP(for proftpd)? |
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| 15:31.59 | coulix | echo $PATH | greg "sting" ll do to |
| 15:32.07 | kerneld | coulix: find doesn't know about $PATH |
| 15:32.11 | coulix | ok |
| 15:32.25 | Zugschlus | Tarantulafudg1: if you do not know how to replace the default MTA, you should stick with the defaul |
| 15:32.51 | guk | FTP is a bitch behind NAT |
| 15:32.54 | Tarantulafudg1 | Would anyone with a meaningful opinion help me out? |
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| 15:32.57 | guk | you need to set up passive ports |
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| 15:33.04 | guk | and setup your external WAN IP |
| 15:33.05 | guk | :) |
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| 15:33.14 | kerneld | IFS=: for d in $PATH; do find "${d}" <somepattern>; done might work for you |
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| 15:33.39 | odb|fidel_ | short question., what is a good way to down-prior outgoing ssh/scp transfers ? |
| 15:34.02 | odb|fidel_ | if i upload a file via scp this transfer get almost all bandwith |
| 15:34.07 | Tarantulafudg1 | Zugschlus: your just lazy, I'd like to see you try to install it |
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| 15:35.18 | franklin_ | Tarantulafudg1, what went wrong during exim to sendmail transition ? (some logs, may be) |
| 15:35.23 | whitehorse1 | Have 1 further popcon query for the room. Later on, how do I check if it's actually sending out the reports? The package is configured to do it, from the (ana)cron job, via "HTTP", rather than regular mail. The /var/log/popularity_contest.* files list package use; which logs would indicate if upload occurred? |
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| 15:36.24 | whitehorse1 | as opposed to the mere fact that cron job executed I mean |
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| 15:36.50 | Tarantulafudg1 | franklin_: sendmail[10020]: gethostbyaddr(192.168.123.102) failed: 2 |
| 15:37.06 | Tarantulafudg1 | franklin_: thats from mail.warn |
| 15:38.04 | Tarantulafudg1 | franklin_: sm-mta[9401]: k38L0351009401: to=real-root, ctladdr=root (8/0), delay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=0, dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown |
| 15:38.10 | odb|fidel_ | is wondershaper a way ? |
| 15:38.12 | Zugschlus | Tarantulafudg1: kindly refer to the exim4 package changelog, and then call me lazy again |
| 15:38.22 | Tarantulafudg1 | Zugschlus: No. |
| 15:38.56 | franklin_ | Tarantulafudg1, i don't use sendmail, but : is 192... you local ip ? you might need to make it resolvable (dns or /etc/hosts...) |
| 15:39.09 | Tarantulafudg1 | franklin_: yea its my local ip |
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| 15:40.32 | Tarantulafudg1 | franklin_: good, that errors gone, but I'm still getting the user unknown |
| 15:40.33 | franklin_ | Tarantulafudg1, i fount this : http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/09/msg00461.html ... |
| 15:40.53 | hjubal | hi |
| 15:42.19 | heliott | i have a prbleme in bash .. |
| 15:43.34 | heliott | i make for interface in `ifconfig | grep eth | awk '{print $1}'` do echo ${interface} done ... the problem is it don't want display eth0 and eth1 .. just it display eth0 .. if nobody have idea please .. |
| 15:44.03 | gnufan | heliott: ifconfig is obselete -- use ip |
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| 15:44.23 | Tarantulafudg1 | franklin_: i think it was because of an error in one of the sendmail configs, so I changed it and now It says aliases.db is out of date |
| 15:44.33 | heliott | gnufan, yes i know but i want to make a generic scrip .. by default ip is not install .. |
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| 15:46.20 | Tarantulafudg1 | franklin_: aha! I went into /etc/mail and executed 'make' and it works! |
| 15:47.01 | magyar | is there a way to prevent a kernel module from loading? SOS |
| 15:47.06 | franklin_ | Tarantulafudg1, good. |
| 15:47.13 | gnufan | heliott: the script looks good -- I assume perhaps it is the output format. |
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| 15:48.45 | lord_rob | magyar: can't you unload it ? |
| 15:48.47 | heliott | gnufan, maybe but i have test all format .. with -n option .. with not comate .. |
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| 15:49.10 | heliott | i have test to return the result in a table but it's same .. i desespear :s |
| 15:49.10 | franklin_ | heliott, what do you actually want to output ? |
| 15:49.23 | gnufan | heliott: I don't understand what your problem is with the script -- is eth1 configured yet? |
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| 15:49.32 | heliott | yes |
| 15:50.05 | gnufan | heliott: I run --> for interface in `/sbin/ifconfig | grep eth | awk '{print $1}'` ; do echo ${interface}; done |
| 15:50.08 | heliott | if you prefer i want to make a script who list eth0,eth1 ,eth2, etc .. |
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| 15:50.25 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:50.25 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 15:50.28 | gnufan | heliott: I get "eth0\neth1\n" |
| 15:50.45 | pipeline | ah, mwilson, I sort of miss him. |
| 15:50.49 | pipeline | Did he get banned, or leave of his own accord? |
| 15:50.53 | tarzeau | !seen mwilson |
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| 15:50.58 | tarzeau | !seen greycat |
| 15:50.58 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 24d 1h 13m 59s ago, saying: 'dpkg: fuck kingsley'. |
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| 15:51.12 | heliott | yes but if you make it in script it don't display twice |
| 15:52.25 | gnufan | heliott: explain more -- I made a script with it is it produces same output. |
| 15:52.32 | magyar | lord_rob: i want to prevent from loading on boot time |
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| 15:52.48 | heliott | it work |
| 15:52.54 | heliott | thank gnufan |
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| 15:53.04 | heliott | if i make |
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| 15:53.18 | heliott | it work .. i don't understand i have test before .. |
| 15:53.21 | heliott | thank a lot |
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| 15:53.29 | franklin_ | heliott, what about this one : ifconfig -a | grep eth | awk '{print $1}'| tr "\n" "," |
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| 15:54.02 | heliott | franklin_, it's better for me this ^^ thank |
| 15:54.13 | marlun | Can I somehow install debian on my old computer through the network? I want to do it without disconnecting this monitor and everything from this computer connecting it to the old one. |
| 15:54.25 | heliott | because after this for in done i want to use eth0 eth1 in $var |
| 15:54.29 | heliott | thank all |
| 15:54.37 | pipeline | marlun: There's several ways to do it. |
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| 15:54.43 | maxb | Is there a canonical Debian init.d script template? |
| 15:54.51 | pipeline | marlun: Doing *everything* over the network, including booting the installer, is rather annoying, though. |
| 15:54.59 | marlun | pipeline, are they easy or am I better of just changing the connections? =) |
| 15:55.16 | marlun | pipeline, oh ok, maybe I'll just do it the old way :) |
| 15:55.22 | franklin_ | maxb, /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 15:55.31 | tarzeau | !seen gnu_style |
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| 15:55.55 | madmike | I need to run sudo in a script file. Is it possible to pass the password as an option? The script schould run unattendet. |
| 15:56.01 | tarzeau | madmike: no |
| 15:56.05 | tarzeau | madmike: configure sudo better |
| 15:56.06 | EdLin | !seen tarzeau |
| 15:56.06 | dpkg | tarzeau is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 130 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 15:56.10 | tarzeau | madmike: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ see my sudoers |
| 15:56.14 | maxb | franklin_: aha! Thanks, I didn't think to look in /etc/init.d itself :-) |
| 15:56.25 | franklin_ | maxb, ;) |
| 15:56.36 | pipeline | !seen me |
| 15:56.36 | dpkg | me <n=me@wblv-146-214-129.telkomadsl.co.za> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 138d 14h 29m ago, saying: '#ubuntu'. |
| 15:56.41 | pipeline | !seen pipeline |
| 15:56.41 | dpkg | pipeline is currently on #debian (12h 16m 50s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 15:57.02 | madmike | tarzeau, i need to run a command in a script with a higher priority, but "nice" sould let me run it without sudo... any ideas? |
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| 15:57.12 | EdLin | a total of 6 messages? |
| 15:57.25 | EdLin | I think something's wrong with !seen |
| 15:57.26 | tarzeau | madmike: yes i don't see the problem |
| 15:57.27 | madmike | sould -> wouldn't |
| 15:57.34 | tarzeau | EdLin: today? |
| 15:57.45 | EdLin | tarzeau: in general |
| 15:57.50 | tarzeau | EdLin: i think i didn't say 130 msgs either yet... |
| 15:57.59 | tarzeau | EdLin: i've been asleep the whole day until a few hours ago |
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| 15:58.42 | EdLin | tarzeau: the exit messages look suspicious too - they all look like something caught mid-conversation |
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| 15:59.00 | madmike | tarzeau, I can run sudo, but since the script will run unattendet I can't enter the password interactivly |
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| 15:59.11 | tarzeau | madmike: man are you nuts? |
| 15:59.15 | tarzeau | oh it's weekend |
| 15:59.25 | tarzeau | madmike: did you look at my sudoers file? |
| 15:59.27 | madmike | tarzeau, maybe |
| 15:59.40 | tarzeau | nuthead! |
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| 15:59.50 | madmike | ;) |
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| 16:00.12 | tarzeau | madmike: you can make sudo not ask for a password |
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| 16:00.31 | madmike | tarzeau, okay, i've looked at you sudoers file |
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| 16:00.37 | tarzeau | madmike: good |
| 16:00.48 | madmike | tarzeau, thanks for the hint :) |
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| 16:00.57 | tarzeau | madmike: you can also setuid root some scripts |
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| 16:01.07 | tarzeau | madmike: but it really depends on what you want to do, and what your script does |
| 16:01.16 | EdLin | setuid scripts is a *bad* idea |
| 16:01.17 | tarzeau | madmike: there's no general do it like that. or yes do it |
| 16:01.21 | blafd | sudo -p? |
| 16:01.24 | tarzeau | EdLin: they exist for a good reason |
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| 16:02.17 | Leonidas | Is there any way to fsck (and correct errors) the root filesystem while mounted? |
| 16:02.25 | EdLin | tarzeau: they only exist because to make them not exist would be an unnecessary complication |
| 16:02.29 | tarzeau | Leonidas: yes, when mounted ro |
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| 16:02.59 | madmike | tarzeau, it will record some show from my computer, but I want to minimize frame drops so I need the script to automatically have a higher priority. I guess the adding "nice" to the sudoers file seems sensible enough |
| 16:03.07 | Leonidas | tarzeau: Can I remount my root ro when it's running? |
| 16:03.23 | tarzeau | madmike: owww now i get it |
| 16:03.36 | tarzeau | Leonidas: yes, -o remount,ro |
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| 16:03.55 | tarzeau | madmike: i'm not sure if nice will be alot of help for you |
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| 16:05.06 | Leonidas | tarzeau: it tells me that / is busy.. |
| 16:05.13 | madmike | tarzeau, I've tried it allready interactivly. Now I'll it with my recording script. |
| 16:05.13 | tarzeau | Leonidas: what did you type? |
| 16:05.21 | tarzeau | madmike: it helped? |
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| 16:05.31 | Leonidas | tarzeau: # mount -o remount,ro /dev/sda1 |
| 16:05.52 | tarzeau | Leonidas: err try mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 16:06.01 | madmike | tarzeau, yeah it did... I tried to record and start my browser after starting it and recodring got a higher priority |
| 16:06.14 | Leonidas | tarzeau: same problem |
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| 16:06.28 | gdp | Hey. I remapped my keys, so the right arrow is in the right Ctrl, and the left arrow in the right Win key. They work, but they dont autorepeat. What can I do? |
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| 16:06.41 | heliott | franklin_, for this in the end .. ifconfig -a | grep .... tr "\n" "," it's possible i make a space instead of this "," ? |
| 16:06.44 | tarzeau | Leonidas: i never had problems with remounting ro |
| 16:06.55 | Leonidas | tarzeau: but I cant stop all services, else I'd be offline and without a SSH connection to that computer |
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| 16:07.41 | tarzeau | Leonidas: i don't know |
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| 16:08.03 | Leonidas | tarzeau: ok, thanks |
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| 16:08.22 | __honky | what is the "standard" way to configure automounting of usb-storage media on debian? |
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| 16:10.38 | franklin_ | __honky, i've heard about pmount |
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| 16:11.29 | anchorman | hello chan |
| 16:11.31 | anchorman | i'm having trouble connecting to a network using knoppix |
| 16:11.37 | anchorman | both wireless and wifi |
| 16:11.43 | anchorman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.54 | prudhvi | hey, i have a problem with the sound modules, every time i start the System i have to run alsaconf . But, i need to load the modules automatically when the system starts up. How can i do that ? |
| 16:12.00 | anchorman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.16 | magyar | is there a way to prevent a kernel module from loading? |
| 16:12.16 | anchorman | nobody in #knoppix is helping me |
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| 16:12.33 | madmike | tarzeau, I've added "madmike ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/nice" to /etc/sudoers but it will still ask me for the password :/ |
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| 16:12.50 | tarzeau | madmike: what command do you type? |
| 16:12.56 | prudhvi | madmike, i think it is wrong command |
| 16:12.56 | lord_rob | magyar: can you un load it ? |
| 16:13.03 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 16:13.03 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 16:13.07 | prudhvi | madmike, i guess it is NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 16:13.24 | madmike | tarzeau, "sudo nice --adjustment=-10 mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:inp..." |
| 16:13.24 | magyar | lord_rob: yes i can, with rmmod |
| 16:13.30 | prudhvi | !alsaconf |
| 16:13.32 | anchorman | knoppix is based on debian isn't it? |
| 16:13.38 | tarzeau | anchorman: MAN! |
| 16:13.41 | tarzeau | anchorman: IT IS NOT DEBIAN |
| 16:13.47 | ShdB | prudhvi: run modconf |
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| 16:13.50 | anchorman | oops |
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| 16:13.54 | lord_rob | magyar: is your module auto loaded by hotplug ? |
| 16:13.55 | anchorman | whats it based on? |
| 16:13.59 | tarzeau | anchorman: YOU WILL NOT GET KNOPPIX HELP HERE |
| 16:14.01 | __honky | franklin_: thx, I'll have a look |
| 16:14.10 | tarzeau | anchorman: mr. knopper rapes debian in a way, debian can't support it. NO WAY |
| 16:14.16 | madmike | prudhvi, I will try that |
| 16:14.21 | prudhvi | ShdB, there is nothing like Modconf on my PC |
| 16:14.26 | anchorman | o |
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| 16:14.35 | tarzeau | anchorman: knoppix 5 is broken shit |
| 16:14.36 | thingfish | anchorman: it is based on Debian, but it is different enough that we can't help you. |
| 16:14.38 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.57 | thingfish | anchorman: just like you don't go into #fedora for help with mandriva. |
| 16:15.08 | ShdB | prudhvi: then put it in /etc/modules |
| 16:15.15 | coulix | im on a networ machine via ssh i type xterm |
| 16:15.16 | coulix | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 192.168.1.7:1.0, was trying to make it display his window on my computer (192.168.1.7), do i have somehtign to set up first |
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| 16:15.23 | lord_rob | tarzeau: what do you mean by "rape" ? |
| 16:15.26 | magyar | lord_rob: i am not to sure, since its a kernel (e1000) module for a network card, but i assume it is, cause i looked in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and network modules are listed there |
| 16:15.31 | madmike | prudhvi, I still asks for a password... do I need to tell sudo to reread the sudoesrs file or something? |
| 16:15.38 | madmike | I -> it |
| 16:15.49 | tarzeau | lord_rob: change it in a bad way |
| 16:15.56 | tarzeau | lord_rob: dict rape |
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| 16:16.52 | __honky | madmike: "madmike ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" |
| 16:16.53 | lord_rob | well I don't want to troll but I find knoppix very nice (as a live cd) |
| 16:17.09 | thingfish | live cds have their uses, no one's arguing that. |
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| 16:17.18 | madmike | __honky, I'll try that |
| 16:17.20 | tarzeau | lord_rob: it's not about if it's nice or not. it's about you don't get help for it here |
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| 16:17.28 | magyar | lord_rob: but if i place e1000 into that file, i still see its trying to load "dmesg" |
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| 16:17.52 | Sivik | hi all |
| 16:17.53 | lord_rob | magyar: is it listed in /etc/modules ? |
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| 16:18.08 | Gecko | Hello. I have some problems running woody with udev. It seems that quite a lot of my rules are not created, for instance, I have no hdc, which is my cdrom drive, and the custom net interfaces I have set up (as the only extra rules) aren't renamed at all. Any ideas? |
| 16:18.59 | magyar | lord_rob: nope |
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| 16:20.54 | magyar | does anyone knows why debian makes it so frikin hard to assign a module to a NIC? |
| 16:21.40 | Gecko | btw, i meant sarge |
| 16:21.51 | Gecko | Haven't gotten used to the new stable name yet ;) |
| 16:22.28 | __honky | Tying to get udev to work on woody would be pretty brave ;) |
| 16:22.36 | Gecko | Indeed |
| 16:22.52 | tarzeau | Gecko: watched toy story 1 + 2? |
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| 16:23.18 | Gecko | tarzeau: yes, a looooong time ago, and I do know that it's the inspiration for the naming scheme in debian |
| 16:24.02 | Gecko | And then again, it was pretty obvious, the whole potato->sarge->woody thing |
| 16:24.13 | Gecko | eh |
| 16:24.21 | Gecko | potato->woody->sarge |
| 16:24.26 | Gecko | there I go again ;) |
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| 16:25.54 | lord_rob | magyar: your nic is wrongly detected as e1000 right ? |
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| 16:26.23 | Sivik | can i take the files in a debian tar.gz and get it to work in a different os |
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| 16:26.46 | Gecko | So, any ideas to why my udev doesn't work on sarge? |
| 16:26.50 | magyar | lord_rob: i have 1 e100 and two e1000, the e1000 in sarge is fucked |
| 16:26.54 | __honky | Sivik: Stop smoking crack |
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| 16:27.07 | Sivik | honky: what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 16:27.24 | magyar | lord_rob: the e1000 that is build from intel cant load cause the kernel module is messing things up |
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| 16:27.53 | marlun | Is there a roadmap for debian for future releases? |
| 16:28.12 | chealer | marlun: there's only a roadmap for Etch |
| 16:28.14 | LordNazgul | having some trouble adding a network card. insmod went ok. added alias eth0 <module> to /etc/modutils/network then ran /sbin/update-modules and still not showing up in ficonfig |
| 16:28.19 | lord_rob | magyar: do you build the kernel yourself or do you use a prebuilt image ? |
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| 16:28.25 | marlun | chealer, Etch? |
| 16:28.44 | lord_rob | !etch |
| 16:28.44 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 16:28.44 | courmisch | LordNazgul: ifconfig -a ? |
| 16:29.11 | Sivik | ?????????????????? |
| 16:29.11 | magyar | lord_rob: default sarge |
| 16:29.22 | LordNazgul | courmisch oops never mind i got it |
| 16:29.30 | LordNazgul | typo in network file |
| 16:29.47 | LordNazgul | thx anyhow |
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| 16:30.03 | marlun | lord_rob, chealer, thanks! |
| 16:30.20 | lord_rob | magyar: hmmm sorry then I think I can't help you |
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| 16:30.41 | inc|freaky | if i change the filesystem of a windows partition from Hidden NTFS to NTFS, using cfdisk, will the data be destroyed? |
| 16:30.55 | courmisch | inc|freaky: no |
| 16:31.00 | Stereo | hello, is there a way I can grep a bunch of files in hexadecimal? I'd like to search for FEFF in hex. |
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| 16:31.09 | inc|freaky | courmisch: are you really sure? there is very important data on that drive |
| 16:31.15 | inc|freaky | *partition |
| 16:31.19 | courmisch | well, it might no longer show up |
| 16:31.36 | courmisch | but as long as you stick to changing the type, only the partition table will be modified |
| 16:31.40 | courmisch | not the partition content |
| 16:31.46 | Stereo | I'd use xxd, but then there's no way I can tell in which file the hex string is |
| 16:32.14 | courmisch | looking for a BOM? |
| 16:32.35 | marlun | I've got Windows and Ubuntu installed on this computer, if I install Debian too on another partition, do I need to install grub at the end of the installation if Ubuntu allready installed it? |
| 16:33.03 | courmisch | marlun: no, but you might have a hard time figuring out the parameter to boot Debian if you don't |
| 16:33.03 | Sivik | where did you place your boot information? |
| 16:33.08 | inc|freaky | courmisch: its, my windows doesnt start anymore i need to do a repair-installation - i used partition magic to make and resize partitions. now, that program changed the filesystem type to "Hidden NTFS" but with that fs, the installer on the windows installation DVD cant install to there. i would have to recreate that partition. so now i booted into linux and want to change the FS Type to normal |
| 16:33.21 | inc|freaky | NTFS so i can use the windows install dvd and do the repair-install |
| 16:33.40 | courmisch | changing the type definitely does not change the content |
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| 16:33.46 | courmisch | but you can make a backup if you want |
| 16:33.47 | marlun | Sivik, not sure? =/ |
| 16:34.06 | inc|freaky | i cant make a backup. thats the problem so i have to be sure that it wont destroy anything |
| 16:34.35 | Stereo | courmisch: yes |
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| 16:34.45 | Leonidas | Is there any way to shutdown a computer, and let it boot with readonly partitions next time? |
| 16:34.45 | miri22 | hallo zusammen ;-) |
| 16:34.55 | gnube | Leonidas, Yep |
| 16:34.58 | courmisch | Stereo: can't you use file and see if it says UTF-16-whatever ? |
| 16:35.01 | Stereo | looking for a UTF-16 file that is making a cron script mail me every night :) |
| 16:35.11 | Leonidas | miri22: english please |
| 16:35.12 | Stereo | courmisch: file doesn't |
| 16:35.19 | courmisch | ah |
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| 16:35.20 | Leonidas | gnube: how? |
| 16:35.21 | Stereo | it finds some utf-8 |
| 16:35.40 | miri22 | lonidas: alright, but my english isn't very good |
| 16:35.45 | madmike | dang, sudoers still doesn't do the trick :/ |
| 16:35.59 | __honky | madmike: what's the problem? |
| 16:36.03 | user__ | hi im having problem with my midi, pmidi -l shows 72:0 MPU-401 UART MIDI MPU-401 UART MIDI but pmidi -p 72:0 foo.mid dones't produce any sound ,any ideas? |
| 16:36.10 | gnube | Leonidas, You mount the file system read only (ro) |
| 16:36.11 | madmike | __honky, it still asks for a password |
| 16:36.13 | Stereo | so I suspect it's a bug in some perl library spamassassin uses, and that it barks when it sees FEFF in the middle of a file |
| 16:36.22 | Leonidas | gnube: I don't want to set ro in my fstab, because having it mounted ro makes it impossible to change it again |
| 16:36.26 | courmisch | inc|freaky: it never did to me - but nobody can provide more warranty than what the kernel + fdisk provides, which is nothing |
| 16:36.33 | madmike | even though I set it to "madmike ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" |
| 16:36.36 | Leonidas | gnube: but how exactly? |
| 16:36.45 | __honky | madmike: You added the NOPASSWD in the right place? |
| 16:37.01 | miri22 | I'd like to test the "original" dabian (sarge)... Is there anyone who could give me a direct download link? |
| 16:37.03 | courmisch | Stereo: maybe you can paste the \xff\xfe sequence straight into your command line and use normal grep |
| 16:37.24 | lord_rob | miri22: www.debian.org |
| 16:37.39 | inc|freaky | ok. i hope it will worked wrote the partition table to disk, now im booting from the windows CD to try doing the repair install |
| 16:37.47 | inc|freaky | -will |
| 16:37.53 | gravity | original debian? |
| 16:37.54 | marlun | If I choose to install gnome on my debian installation, is it the "gnome-core" package I should install or just the "gnome" package? |
| 16:37.59 | gnube | Leonidas, mount rdonly |
| 16:38.01 | Stereo | courmisch: good point. I'll try that. |
| 16:38.34 | gnube | Leonidas, Send the rdonly option after the option flag (-o) |
| 16:38.38 | courmisch | marlun: AFAIK, gnome is the whole gnome software suit |
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| 16:38.46 | inc|freaky | it worked :D |
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| 16:38.50 | chealer | !tell marlun about install gnome |
| 16:38.52 | Leonidas | gnube: I already tried.. but it tells me that / is busy |
| 16:38.53 | EdLin | marlun: there's also gnome-desktop-environment |
| 16:39.04 | miri22 | lord_rob: thanks, I already visited this site. But there are so many informations and different types... This is two difficult for a girl ;-) I'd like to have ONE single link with an .iso file for example - if this is possible? |
| 16:39.07 | EdLin | marlun: which is somewhere between gnome-core and gnome |
| 16:39.17 | Leonidas | gnube: and when I insert it in the boot scripts, how can I cange it again? |
| 16:39.18 | gnube | so maybe something like this; mount / -o rdonly /mnt/pont |
| 16:39.28 | gnube | I think you will have to edit /etc/fstab |
| 16:39.43 | marlun | Oh, so gnome-core = only gnome and not the gnome applications? |
| 16:39.51 | Leonidas | gnube: And after I have t mounted ro, how do I edit that file? |
| 16:39.51 | ifvoid | hi |
| 16:39.55 | Stereo | courmisch: that doesn't seem to work |
| 16:39.55 | lord_rob | miri22: what do you want ? All debian one one cd or a cd that let you install debian from the internet ? |
| 16:40.00 | courmisch | miri22: http://www.debian.org/CD/index.de.html |
| 16:40.02 | marlun | oh, read the dpkg message, thanks |
| 16:40.14 | gnube | "ro" /* read-only device */ |
| 16:40.14 | gnube | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.21 | gnube | is what one puts in the fstab |
| 16:40.25 | madmike | __honky, any ideas? |
| 16:40.43 | miri22 | lord_rob: a clomplete cd or dvd, without internet install |
| 16:41.00 | courmisch | debian is far to big to fit on a single CD |
| 16:41.05 | __honky | madmike: what are yout trying to do, just plain sudo from the command line without asking for pw? |
| 16:41.06 | gnube | Leonidas, So if you want to mount your root directory read-only, put this in your fstab; |
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| 16:41.29 | gnube | /dev/hda1 / ext3 ro 0 1 |
| 16:41.30 | lord_rob | miri22: even far too big to fit on a single dvd :) |
| 16:41.45 | Leonidas | gnube: yeah, I do understand. But when I boot with this setting, I wouldn't be able to change /etc/fstab to boot read-write again |
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| 16:42.20 | lord_rob | l |
| 16:42.29 | miri22 | lord_rob: too big for a single dvd ? oh my god... i just tested kanotix, this fits a single CD... ;-) |
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| 16:42.49 | Leonidas | miri22: so take Sarge CD1 and you're done |
| 16:42.52 | gnube | Leonidas, Well you can boot into another runlevel instead, the boot back into runlevel 5 |
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| 16:43.01 | lord_rob | miri22: yes, but debian has far more packages than kanotix has |
| 16:43.46 | gnube | Leonidas, Why do you want to make the partition read only? |
| 16:43.55 | miri22 | lord_rob: alright, how many dvds do I need? |
| 16:44.04 | Leonidas | gnube: to fsck it (correct errors) |
| 16:44.05 | lord_rob | miri22: I don't know exactly |
| 16:44.14 | courmisch | you don't want to install the whole archive anyway |
| 16:44.18 | Leonidas | miri22: 2 DVDs, 4,7GB |
| 16:44.19 | lord_rob | miri22: in fact I've never installed debian that way |
| 16:44.25 | aronofsky | Hi , i did an aptitude upgrade and i got some package that could be upgraded but that are "kept back" and i dont really get why , can anyone explain me ? ( the package are libgcc1 ... xserver-xorg ) |
| 16:44.26 | courmisch | one DVD should be sufficient |
| 16:44.43 | courmisch | you can then configure the network and fetch any less common package from the Internet |
| 16:44.51 | gnube | why not boot into runlevel 1 |
| 16:45.09 | prudhvi | alsaconf does not save the modules that need to be loaded, what do i do. i mean i need those modules everytime i boot into my system |
| 16:45.12 | lord_rob | miri22: the recommanded way to install debian is to install a minimal system from cdrom then the rest of the system directly downloaded from the internet |
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| 16:45.16 | Leonidas | gnube: what happens in runlevel 1? Singeleuser? |
| 16:45.18 | __honky | aronofsky: it depends. try to install -f the kept backs |
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| 16:45.43 | Leonidas | gnube: does ssh work in runlevel 1? |
| 16:45.49 | courmisch | Leonidas: no |
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| 16:45.52 | miri22 | lord_rob: you said that there are more packages... do you know a site on the net where the differents of both systems (debian and kanotix) are written? and how would you install debian? |
| 16:45.59 | Leonidas | so no option for me |
| 16:46.09 | aronofsky | __honky, yeah ok it will force it but i want to know why its not automatic here |
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| 16:46.13 | Leonidas | I've jsut got ssh access |
| 16:46.14 | gnube | Leonidas, Runlevel 1 is single user mode |
| 16:46.25 | courmisch | runlevel only has kernel + init + sh |
| 16:46.37 | gnube | Leonidas, So what are you trying to do? Run fsck remotely? |
| 16:46.46 | Leonidas | gnube: exactly |
| 16:46.49 | Tired_ | Hello. There is an old old outstanding bug with Debian and Dell Precision 610's...does anyone know if it has been resolved? I have no access to a web browser right now (trying to install an OS) so I can't just go and check... |
| 16:46.52 | lord_rob | miri22: I've been using kanotix first with this laptop. When it is installed you can install any debian package on it (theorically ...) |
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| 16:47.02 | gnube | Leonidas, Why? Is the system not reponding? |
| 16:47.18 | gnube | Leonidas, What makes you think you have a disk error? |
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| 16:47.22 | lord_rob | miri22: in practice the reason why i dropped kanotix is that an upgrade crashed the system |
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| 16:47.55 | lord_rob | now I'm using pure debian sid |
| 16:47.58 | gnube | Tired_, Try Ubuntu instead, the issues with Dell hardware will probably not be resolved. |
| 16:48.15 | launch | Hi i have an ati card and the graphic driver dont have the accel feature, is there an alternative ? except fglrx-driver (a non-free shit...) thanks |
| 16:48.32 | Tired_ | it's the debian kernel...it won't boot to install, even with something like Knoppix :/ |
| 16:48.32 | Leonidas | gnube: I've got bus errors sometimes and after running fsck it tells about things it can't fix in rw-mode. Did I already tell that I've got ext2? |
| 16:48.37 | lord_rob | launch: yes dri |
| 16:48.41 | madmike | __honky, I try to run it from a script... nice need highe previliges |
| 16:48.45 | stew | Tired_: have you tried both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
| 16:48.48 | lord_rob | launch: I did that for my thinkpad |
| 16:48.55 | Tired_ | hangs at 'Ok, uncompressing the kernel...........' |
| 16:49.05 | Tired_ | yes, both display the same issue |
| 16:49.06 | launch | lord_rob i need to dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system? |
| 16:49.09 | madmike | __honky, "sudo nice --adjustment=-10 mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:input=0:w...." |
| 16:49.13 | stew | launch: which radeon chipset? |
| 16:49.18 | __honky | Leonidas: you need single user to do that sanely IMHO |
| 16:49.37 | launch | my card is an ati radeon 9200 stew |
| 16:49.42 | lord_rob | Tired_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 16:49.46 | Leonidas | __honky: too bad :/ |
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| 16:50.12 | Tired_ | lord_rob -> thanks, but I don't have a web browser in this enviroment |
| 16:50.17 | stew | launch: then you don't need the fglrx driver, the "ati" driver that is included with x has accelleration for that card |
| 16:50.19 | digijohn | Hey, does anybody in here use a d-link dwl-122 USB wireless dongle? It uses the prism2_usb drivers, but I can't get them to compile. |
| 16:50.23 | stew | !drxx launch |
| 16:50.23 | dpkg | launch: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:50.28 | lord_rob | Tired_: I installed that package and now I have glx with free drivers |
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| 16:50.30 | Freduardo | Does anyone know how to change the default music player to amaroK or beep media player in Gnome? |
| 16:50.47 | launch | !xmd5 |
| 16:50.47 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 16:50.49 | miri22 | lord_rob: ok, so I will try it your way ;-) so there are 2 more questions: 1. where can I get the "minimal system cd" and 2. where can I see which more packets are available for my debian? |
| 16:50.52 | Freduardo | It's currently set to be Rythmbox, but I don't like that one |
| 16:50.52 | launch | thanks stew |
| 16:50.53 | tarzeau | Freduardo: maybe #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 16:50.55 | Tired_ | ...and that helps you boot a Dell workstation? |
| 16:51.08 | Freduardo | ok thx I'll ask there |
| 16:51.27 | gnube | Leonidas, Can you move the affected partition to another location, make it ro in /etc/fstab then reboot, run fsck, and then change /etc/fstab back. |
| 16:51.29 | lord_rob | miri22: debian sarge cd1 should be your minimal cd (there are netinstall cds also) |
| 16:51.30 | notx | usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 32 usb 1-4: device not accepting address 32, error -32 can someone help me solve this error? |
| 16:51.36 | lord_rob | miri22: check www;debian.org |
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| 16:52.05 | launch | stew this is on by default? |
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| 16:52.34 | lord_rob | miri22: are you using an installed kanotix right now ? |
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| 16:52.45 | Leonidas | gnube: No, I can't beacause its the only partition on the only HDD. |
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| 16:53.24 | Leonidas | miri22: packages.debian.org |
| 16:53.34 | stew | launch: yes |
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| 16:54.13 | launch | stew believe me this is certainly disable here |
| 16:54.24 | launch | well maybe not but its a bit slow |
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| 16:55.25 | miri22 | lord_rob: yes, i use an installed kanotix right now |
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| 16:55.42 | lord_rob | miri22: do you have very recent hardware ? |
| 16:56.14 | launch | stew, i have sarge stable and no wine package are available.. i try to download the source of a unstable version but at build-dep step, apt tell me that he cannot found the fglrx-driver... wine dont accept the 3daccel of the ati driver? wine force us to use this non-free shit? |
| 16:56.41 | lord_rob | miri22: if so you could experience problems when installing sarge |
| 16:57.03 | gnube | Leonidas, You can boot into single user mode, mount the file system ro and run fsck. |
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| 16:57.23 | bucky | launch: backports.org has wine for sarge |
| 16:57.25 | Tired_ | well, thanks anyways for trying :/ |
| 16:57.31 | stew | launch: i don't know about wine |
| 16:57.32 | Leonidas | gnube: but how to access the system from remote? |
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| 16:59.02 | __honky | Leonidas: you need something like a network console |
| 16:59.10 | miri222 | lord_rob: i am back |
| 16:59.25 | __honky | Leonidas: if you don't have that -> no go |
| 16:59.44 | Leonidas | __honky: it looks like 'no go' then |
| 16:59.56 | gnube | Leonidas, If you do not have physical access, it looks like it will be hard. |
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| 17:00.20 | gnube | Because if you go into runlevel one, sshd will stop. |
| 17:00.36 | gnube | I assume that is what you are using for remote login. |
| 17:00.48 | Leonidas | gnube: right |
| 17:01.05 | Leonidas | gnube: maybe I can remove the stopscript for SSHd? |
| 17:01.21 | lord_rob | miri222: I mean kanotix often detects all your hardware automaticaly and is quickly installed. This is not always the case for debian sarge, espacially new hardware |
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| 17:01.41 | lord_rob | for new hardware* |
| 17:01.49 | __honky | Leonidas: you genrally won't be able to login remotely _and_ have the system in a state where you want to fsck |
| 17:02.25 | gnube | Leonidas, That is definitely worth a try, you are probably not going to have issues with sshd |
| 17:02.46 | gnube | Leonidas, But be careful, it may not work. |
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| 17:03.00 | gnube | Leonidas, I think even sshd needs to write to files so it may hang. |
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| 17:03.12 | __honky | gnube: exactly |
| 17:03.20 | Leonidas | gnube: ok, I'll try it.. but I'll have to do important stuff to do first |
| 17:03.29 | gnube | Leonidas, Nearly everything uses /tmp so that has to be rw |
| 17:03.37 | gnube | Leonidas, Good luck. |
| 17:03.38 | __honky | Leonidas: don't try or you'll _have_ to get physical access |
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| 17:03.53 | Leonidas | __honky: :( |
| 17:03.58 | gnube | Leonidas, __honky Is probably right here. |
| 17:04.00 | EdLin | another good reason to keep /var and /tmp on a seperate partition on production servers |
| 17:04.10 | gnube | EdLin, True. |
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| 17:04.12 | marlun | is there a good cd/dvd burning software for linux which also burns images like .img? |
| 17:04.16 | ikppc | hi |
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| 17:04.23 | __honky | EdLin: sic |
| 17:04.35 | Leonidas | eddul: Yaeh. But 900 MB is little space for seperate partitions for everything |
| 17:04.56 | ikppc | is posible can i update the sources list whith another ftp address? |
| 17:05.00 | gnube | Leonidas, Are you on a shared host somewhere? |
| 17:05.04 | ikppc | im using dbioan.org |
| 17:05.19 | ikppc | debian.org |
| 17:05.20 | gnube | Leonidas, They should have admins who can check you disks for you if os. |
| 17:05.24 | __honky | Leonidas: and you run into the same problem when you have to fsck /var or /tmp |
| 17:05.30 | EdLin | marlun: cdrecord, and various GUI front-ends for it. |
| 17:05.30 | gnube | ikppc, Yes. |
| 17:05.47 | Leonidas | gnube: no, it's just a very, very old box. |
| 17:05.48 | ikppc | gnube which ftp can i use? |
| 17:05.54 | tarzeau | lftp is great |
| 17:05.56 | gnube | Leonidas, Ah, I see. |
| 17:06.00 | tarzeau | marlun: graveman is nice |
| 17:06.08 | miri222 | lord_rob: You asked me if I use an installed kanotix right now... do i have to take another way to install sarge because both are from debian structure or is it the same way (cd etc.)? |
| 17:06.10 | gnube | ikppc, ftp is not to be used, use scp instead. |
| 17:06.13 | tarzeau | marlun: what says file the.img ? |
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| 17:06.26 | tarzeau | gnube: there's reasons for ftp instead of scp |
| 17:06.28 | marlun | tarzeau, is it a gui front-end for cdrecord? |
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| 17:06.33 | gnube | ikppc, Perhaps you mean ftp repositories? |
| 17:06.42 | ikppc | gnube yeah |
| 17:06.47 | ikppc | that thing |
| 17:06.50 | tarzeau | marlun: yes, but not only cdrecord. can also do dvd |
| 17:07.02 | gnube | Tarzeau. I defer to you in that case, I am not aware of them. |
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| 17:07.16 | tarzeau | gnube: slow cpu, alot of data. scp is much slower then |
| 17:07.20 | marlun | tarzeau, will take a look at it ;) |
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| 17:07.58 | gnube | tarzeau, ah, but this user is probably on a broadband connection. |
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| 17:08.33 | lord_rob | miri222: you have to install sarge from zero. Kanotix is no use there |
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| 17:09.16 | tarzeau | gnube: it's not about bandwith, it's about cpu |
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| 17:10.09 | bbrazil | !tell root -about root |
| 17:10.29 | tijn | bow for me cuz iam root :D |
| 17:10.38 | sussudio | !do tijn |
| 17:10.49 | tijn | thnx :) needed that |
| 17:10.54 | bbrazil | tijn: usually it's "Bow before me for I am almighty Root" |
| 17:10.57 | ikppc | !tell ikppc -about root |
| 17:11.01 | launch | !me |
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| 17:11.09 | tijn | hehe |
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| 17:11.13 | Eclipser | bbrazil, he's aol user, I bet |
| 17:11.24 | colter | I googled a bit for the next release plan, but couldn't find much. IIRC the next Debian release was planned for end of 2006 - can anybody point me to more info? |
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| 17:11.36 | tijn | wtf |
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| 17:11.46 | gnube | colter, I will be called etch. :) |
| 17:11.47 | chealer | !tell colter about wwer |
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| 17:11.49 | Blissex | colter: or of end of 6002? :-) |
| 17:11.54 | tijn | not_root: you still irc as root |
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| 17:12.10 | j4vi | hi |
| 17:12.14 | colter | chealer: thanks |
| 17:12.28 | j4vi | I'm configuring apache web server with dynamic dns |
| 17:12.29 | EdLin | colter: google the mailing list archives |
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| 17:12.34 | launch | dont take it personnal is a question, in what case is better to have debian than ubuntu ... ubuntu have more release |
| 17:12.38 | gues1 | ... |
| 17:12.40 | launch | i just want to know |
| 17:12.40 | j4vi | I'm think that i configured all ok |
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| 17:13.00 | j4vi | but my site don't appears in the browser |
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| 17:13.11 | gnube | launch, You may not get the answer you are looking for. |
| 17:13.21 | launch | hm why? |
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| 17:13.24 | chealer | launch: don't take it personal? :) |
| 17:13.37 | gnube | launch, Google is your friend. |
| 17:13.43 | launch | well some people may take this sentence like THIS GUYS BLAST US |
| 17:13.59 | EdLin | launch: I think you have preconcieved notions about what makes a good distribution. |
| 17:14.01 | colter | EdLin: I think I already found the appropriate message, chealer pointed it out to me. Thanks anyway |
| 17:14.09 | EdLin | colter: np |
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| 17:14.18 | j4vi | the browser tries to connect but don't find the web |
| 17:14.35 | j4vi | what's the problem? |
| 17:14.36 | zinx | !tell launch about best |
| 17:14.58 | launch | its because.. ubuntu is debian but with a plus (more update) |
| 17:15.08 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 17:15.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 17:15.36 | chealer | launch: hehe, I think your question is fair. Debian (the release right for your use case) should be better than Ubuntu in...the vast majority of cases, but I don't know of any document doing a comprehensive comparison |
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| 17:15.50 | EdLin | launch: ubuntu is *not* Debian, any more than Mandriva is Red Hat. |
| 17:15.58 | beleys_ | re |
| 17:16.25 | chealer | launch: ubuntu is not Debian |
| 17:16.33 | zinx | launch: ubuntu has many significant differences from debian - if you want to know which one is "better", you're going to have to tell us what you mean by "better". |
| 17:16.35 | launch | impossible to talk with linux user heh |
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| 17:16.48 | zinx | launch: because without knowing what you need, there's no way to know what's best for you. |
| 17:16.49 | launch | its like ARG X-WINDOW not X-WINDOWSSSSSSSSSSSS ARGGGGGGGGGG |
| 17:16.50 | launch | lol |
| 17:16.51 | launch | ... |
| 17:16.56 | lord_rob | !start an os war |
| 17:16.56 | dpkg | Unix is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 17:17.00 | bucky | launch: you should try using ubuntu and see if you like it |
| 17:17.14 | gnube | BeOS is the best! |
| 17:17.25 | launch | ok... |
| 17:17.31 | launch | good gnube.. |
| 17:17.42 | gravity | X Window System. Or X. Or X11. Not X Window or X Windows. The second is incorrect and the first is just shitty English |
| 17:17.42 | gnube | </sarcasm> |
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| 17:18.06 | gravity | No hyphen either |
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| 17:19.00 | tijn | hehe |
| 17:19.04 | gnube | ciao, thanks for all the fish. |
| 17:19.21 | EdLin | Ubuntu is basically a snapshot of Debian with bleeding-edge GNOME and a multibillionaire's free CD marketing tacked on. |
| 17:19.40 | bucky | isn't the word ubuntu african for 'cum swallower'? |
| 17:19.42 | EdLin | s/bill/mill |
| 17:19.52 | launch | So, Ubuntu is BASED ON Debian, so both have apt utility.... but one get more update, can i know just ONE thing debian have and not ubuntu |
| 17:19.54 | gravity | bucky: Stop that |
| 17:19.58 | launch | or everyone will be angry |
| 17:20.02 | chealer | bucky: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:20.03 | zinx | EdLin: No, it isn't. |
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| 17:20.17 | gravity | launch: No one in Debian is the King and Master |
| 17:20.19 | zinx | EdLin: ubuntu has a lot of different packages. |
| 17:20.19 | EdLin | zinx: I've ran both, and it is. |
| 17:20.31 | zinx | EdLin: No. It really really isn't. Ubuntu's packages are quite different. |
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| 17:20.53 | EdLin | in any case, I don't know why people are discussing it here. See /topic |
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| 17:21.03 | xoz | launch: stop trolling |
| 17:21.21 | chealer | launch: for example, Debian has probably the most performant package pools in the top 10 linux distributions |
| 17:21.25 | launch | xoz you are really stupid |
| 17:21.44 | xoz | launch: wtf |
| 17:21.44 | launch | chealer thanks |
| 17:21.47 | gravity | Anyway, Ubuntu is Off-Topic |
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| 17:21.50 | zinx | !ops launch ubuntu troll |
| 17:21.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: launch ubuntu troll |
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| 17:21.56 | bucky | EdLin: because launch, a person who doesn't know how to use backports or upgrade to etch, is going to tell us how ubuntu is the same thing as debian |
| 17:21.57 | zinx | :D |
| 17:21.59 | priscila | the ubuntu's live cd is very heavy .. it's still loading after 10 minutes when you boot it |
| 17:22.15 | launch | zinx wow |
| 17:22.17 | gravity | launch: If you want to ask about Ubuntu specifically, go ask in #ubuntu. If you want to ask questions comparing different linux distributions, ask in ##linux |
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| 17:22.26 | gravity | launch: Ubuntu is totally off-topic here |
| 17:22.28 | Jeriko- | hi |
| 17:22.32 | Led_Zeppelin | when I login to my system. It prompts me the username, and waits 30 secs until it prompts me the password. How can I make that instant? I am using openssh on etch. |
| 17:22.35 | gravity | That goes for everyone |
| 17:22.36 | launch | its nice im in the stupid list now just with a question |
| 17:22.38 | launch | :D |
| 17:22.40 | zinx | launch: you've blatantly ignored my requests for clarification, and intentionally inflamed people |
| 17:22.48 | gravity | zinx: Enough please |
| 17:23.07 | bucky | launch: you're on the stupid list because you got the answer and you're still asking the same stupid question |
| 17:23.07 | zinx | gravity: just telling him *why* i think what i do |
| 17:23.15 | Jeriko- | I'm looking for a plugin for any music player, preferably rythmbox or beep-media-player to send my playlist to audioscrobbler/last.fm. So far, there's only a plugin in unstable, is there any other version available for stable? |
| 17:23.20 | gravity | zinx: I know, but let's just calm down and go back to being productive |
| 17:23.22 | miri222 | lord_rob: ok, so to start debian install i just need a link to the iso file ;-) |
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| 17:23.33 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 17:23.33 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 17:23.35 | gravity | zinx: I know it's not your fault, I'm not blaming anyone. I just want things to be calm |
| 17:24.14 | zinx | gravity: and i'm trying to help him understand the workings of the #debian social environment :D |
| 17:24.16 | gravity | Jeriko-: quodlibet has a plugin available |
| 17:24.34 | zinx | gravity: on the off chance he's accidentally tripping the wires |
| 17:24.44 | gravity | Ok |
| 17:24.55 | launch | zinx its ok im stupid stop now.. |
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| 17:25.07 | launch | im in your stupid list its finish its good |
| 17:25.12 | gravity | launch: Stop it now |
| 17:25.23 | bobesponja | how can I change the default encoding to US utf8 on system? |
| 17:25.29 | zinx | only got a 400G hd, you know |
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| 17:25.32 | bobesponja | I mean bash console and all |
| 17:25.34 | zinx | :D |
| 17:25.43 | zinx | bobesponja: there's some tool for that |
| 17:25.51 | launch | i prefer my life than your hd |
| 17:25.52 | zinx | bobesponja: generating the locales anyway, which you need to do |
| 17:25.53 | launch | :D |
| 17:25.56 | gravity | launch: We highly recommend that you try debian. We like it, and we think you might too. If you want to compare it to Ubuntu, we recommend you try Ubuntu also and compare them yourself to see what suits your needs. If you want to talk about Ubuntu though, please ask in their channel |
| 17:26.01 | gravity | launch: Got it? |
| 17:26.04 | zinx | bobesponja: after it's been generated, set LANG=en_US.utf-8 |
| 17:26.08 | andax | bobesponja, dpkg-reconfigure locales maybe |
| 17:26.12 | zinx | bobesponja: in your profile or such |
| 17:26.17 | xoz | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:26.21 | zinx | bobesponja: and by set, i mean 'export' |
| 17:26.24 | launch | i have debian.. but i was asking if ubuntu got more than debian,, to switch |
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| 17:26.38 | witless | hi. sarge update-exim4.conf.conf says to run update-exim4.conf - where is update-exim4.conf ? |
| 17:26.40 | gravity | launch: I already told you what to do. End of discussion. |
| 17:26.44 | zinx | launch: i think there are ubuntu live CDs if you want to try it out |
| 17:26.53 | launch | gravity i know i answer you.. |
| 17:27.06 | gravity | Great |
| 17:27.15 | Zugschlus | witless: in your path if you're allowed to run it |
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| 17:27.32 | Zugschlus | (/usr/sbin, IIIRC) |
| 17:27.33 | witless | Zugschlus: it's not on my system anywhere |
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| 17:27.40 | Nin | hi everybody there! |
| 17:27.42 | Nin | what's up? |
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| 17:27.54 | Nin | could anybody recommend me |
| 17:28.03 | launch | Nin good luck |
| 17:28.12 | Nin | an e-mail client in text mode with news ? |
| 17:28.12 | pixolet | 22707 ? 00:00:00 dhclient |
| 17:28.18 | launch | when they dont know they tell, read the topic, try a live cd |
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| 17:28.20 | AzianFlu | !tell AzianFlu about wwer |
| 17:28.21 | pixolet | oops |
| 17:28.23 | bucky | launch: are a trebeks as stupid as you? |
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| 17:28.32 | Zugschlus | witless: dpkg --list exim4-config |
| 17:28.32 | zinx | Nin: emacs! |
| 17:28.35 | kerneld | Nin: emacs has news an email client :{ |
| 17:28.40 | Nin | really? |
| 17:28.42 | Nin | wov! |
| 17:28.46 | andax | launch, this is a debian channel. people talk about debian here. ubuntu discussion is in the #ubuntu channel. for general discussion go to ##linux. nobody will help you with ubuntu here |
| 17:28.51 | kerneld | It has an irc client and a web browser too |
| 17:28.51 | Nin | I'm vi user... |
| 17:28.54 | Nin | but ok |
| 17:28.54 | witless | Zugschlus: thanks |
| 17:28.55 | Zugschlus | !ubuntu |
| 17:28.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 17:28.59 | Nin | I didn't try this |
| 17:29.04 | EdLin | Nin: the email/news client in emacs is called gnus (several other mail-only emacs clients exist) |
| 17:29.09 | __honky | Nin: mutt + tin |
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| 17:29.12 | launch | some people lag, |
| 17:29.40 | zinx | Nin: you'll probably be better off with an e-mail client and a news reader that are separate |
| 17:29.41 | Nin | ok |
| 17:29.49 | Gavrila | excuse me the OT, is there a command to refuse/block queries by default? |
| 17:29.51 | Nin | this is a good idea as well |
| 17:29.51 | zinx | Nin: and, emacs was a joke :D |
| 17:29.55 | Nin | ahh |
| 17:29.56 | kerneld | Nin: When I used a console mail client, I like pine and slrn |
| 17:29.59 | Zugschlus | Gavrila: depends on your irc client |
| 17:30.05 | zinx | Nin: (though, it *does* do both, i wouldn't really recommend it to anyone) |
| 17:30.12 | kerneld | but mutt seems to be more popular than pine |
| 17:30.12 | Gavrila | xchat |
| 17:30.14 | EdLin | zinx: no, emacs isn't a joke - gnus is halfway decent as a news reader |
| 17:30.34 | Nin | ok I will have a look in the web... |
| 17:30.39 | zinx | EdLin: I know it does them, but *I* wouldn't ever seriously recommend emacs :) |
| 17:30.51 | treyh0 | screenshots of gnus -> http://my.gnus.org/image |
| 17:30.51 | bucky | Gavrila: +C is supposed to http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
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| 17:31.18 | EdLin | zinx: because you looked at gnus and didn't like it? Keep in mind that emacs is a nice operating system except the fact it doesn't have a good editor |
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| 17:31.26 | zinx | EdLin: No... |
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| 17:31.36 | Gavrila | bucky, thanks I'll have a look |
| 17:32.09 | EdLin | zinx: I used to use vi and used emacs only for lisp programming and gnus |
| 17:32.16 | launch | andax yes irssi is a text irc client |
| 17:32.26 | zinx | EdLin: dude, don't take it personally |
| 17:32.42 | EdLin | zinx: I'm not angry, I'm trying to be informative. |
| 17:32.43 | andax | ? |
| 17:32.48 | zinx | EdLin: i'm not saying to not use emacs, i'm only saying that *i* was joking about it |
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| 17:33.02 | unstable | !start an editor war |
| 17:33.02 | dpkg | pico is known to repel members of the opposite sex |
| 17:33.06 | EdLin | OK |
| 17:33.22 | launch | andax i think there is a plugin for the audio, minute i search |
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| 17:33.47 | andax | launch, you're talking to the wrong nick |
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| 17:34.42 | DarkStone | =( |
| 17:34.45 | DarkStone | i need help |
| 17:35.03 | DarkStone | im a noob at linux |
| 17:35.09 | DarkStone | 1st time using it |
| 17:35.13 | xoz | !ask |
| 17:35.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:35.14 | launch | andax i dont remember the benj page to learn socket programming but a friend of mine made an alternative to irssi lover |
| 17:36.01 | launch | andax yes sure |
| 17:36.52 | launch | i talk to the wrong nick but im in the right door |
| 17:38.06 | DarkStone | i have a problem after installing debian. im running Debian version 3.1. when i try to boot into the operating system i just get a black screen with no system activity.the very last line is something to do with gnome and then the screen goes black as if to boot the operating system but it hangs and stays at the black screen. |
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| 17:38.33 | nk | when I join a network and don't know any settings, how can I find out, with which IP addresses and subnet masks the network operates? |
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| 17:38.42 | nk | +on |
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| 17:38.52 | chealer | DarkStone: does this happen when booting in recovery mode? |
| 17:39.03 | DarkStone | no @ chealer |
| 17:39.13 | DarkStone | i can enter the root password |
| 17:39.35 | DarkStone | and proceed in commands with no interface |
| 17:39.41 | chealer | DarkStone: are you able to start X without getting this problem? |
| 17:39.55 | DarkStone | how do i start X? |
| 17:40.04 | andax | just by typing startx |
| 17:40.06 | chealer | DarkStone: something like # startx |
| 17:40.09 | DarkStone | ok |
| 17:40.12 | DarkStone | i will try |
| 17:40.18 | DarkStone | i will return later |
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| 17:40.41 | zinx | nk: try DHCP, ask nicely, or try sniffing the traffic |
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| 17:41.02 | marlun | Is the latest gnome release in the debian repositories? |
| 17:41.28 | Nin | 2.12 I think |
| 17:41.32 | EdLin | marlun: it's probably in sid |
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| 17:41.49 | zinx | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 17:41.53 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.12.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 369 kB, Installed size: 864 kB |
| 17:42.11 | launch | I downloaded wine source on backports during compiling i can see i did a mistake its only for the i386 arch.. any alternative, i want to play farcry and i dont have windows machine |
| 17:42.17 | chealer | marlun: mostly |
| 17:42.18 | launch | and qemu is slow as hell here |
| 17:42.25 | marlun | EdLin, sid? |
| 17:42.35 | marlun | chealer, what do you mean mostly? |
| 17:42.44 | EdLin | marlun: iyntays |
| 17:43.04 | chealer | marlun: some parts are from older releases |
| 17:43.22 | kerneld | launch: I thought there were some kmods for qemu which make it run a little faster |
| 17:43.27 | marlun | 2.14 is the latest gnome release, right? |
| 17:43.39 | zinx | kerneld: i kinda doubt it's going to do 3d accel properly even with kernel modules |
| 17:43.43 | chealer | marlun: yes |
| 17:43.58 | launch | kernel yes kqemu but its only for i386 |
| 17:44.05 | kerneld | zinx: Well, I don't know the nature of the game, thought it might have been 2d |
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| 17:44.25 | nk | zinx: assuming the network is configured with static IPs and no dhcp server is running and assuming to have a switched ethernet (that is, using a switch that does not forward packets on all ports) it might be difficult |
| 17:44.25 | marlun | chealer, if I install gnome-core, will I get that version? |
| 17:44.42 | zinx | nk: then you ask nicely. |
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| 17:45.00 | chealer | marlun: in which release? |
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| 17:45.16 | __honky | nk: use arp |
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| 17:45.29 | DarkStone | i am unable to start X |
| 17:45.36 | launch | Where can i get wine source for powerpc |
| 17:45.38 | DarkStone | bad command |
| 17:45.42 | DarkStone | =S |
| 17:45.44 | nk | __honky: hmm. in which form? |
| 17:46.02 | zinx | nk: sniff the arp, i guess |
| 17:46.07 | marlun | chealer, Debian 3.1 r1a |
| 17:46.14 | chealer | marlun: no |
| 17:46.25 | EdLin | launch: WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator - there is no non-i386 version of it. |
| 17:46.27 | kerneld | launch: Not sure it will do you much good |
| 17:46.33 | __honky | zinx: yep |
| 17:46.33 | zinx | nk: or see what gets stuck in your arp tables, though i think the kernel ignores arp requests it didn't make |
| 17:46.49 | nk | so arp traffic is send to all ports because they are on the MAC layer rather than IP layer? |
| 17:46.50 | marlun | chealer, will I have to install Etch? |
| 17:46.57 | launch | EdLin, ok |
| 17:47.06 | zinx | nk: arp traffic is broadcast, because it doesn't know the MAC |
| 17:47.06 | DarkStone | chealer: i have just tried the startx command, it says bad command |
| 17:47.08 | chealer | marlun: to get GNOME 2.14? |
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| 17:47.16 | chealer | DarkStone: as root? |
| 17:47.22 | DarkStone | yes |
| 17:47.22 | nk | zinx: true that is |
| 17:47.26 | marlun | chealer, yeah? |
| 17:47.27 | zinx | nk: [nearly] all other traffic is sent to a specific MAC (not IP) |
| 17:47.38 | witless | "If you are indeed using xinetd, you will have to convert the above into /etc/xinetd.conf format, and add it manually. See /usr/share/doc/xinetd/README.Debian for more information." what, that couldn't have been put in the install script? |
| 17:47.42 | EdLin | running X as root is evil |
| 17:47.48 | nk | yes, i see |
| 17:47.50 | nk | thx guys |
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| 17:48.11 | DarkStone | should i try and re-install debian? |
| 17:48.18 | launch | EdLin is there a program on powerpc to emule only one program at a time not an entire os |
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| 17:48.52 | chealer | marlun: there are only small parts of GNOME 2.14 in Etch |
| 17:49.06 | Led_Zeppelin | :-) |
| 17:49.07 | marlun | chealer, ok |
| 17:49.10 | EdLin | launch: most programs need an OS to run, so your question is nonsensical |
| 17:49.13 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know where I can get tsearch? I have this database thats still looking for the odler version of tsearch |
| 17:49.17 | chealer | DarkStone: what does it say exactly? command not found? are you sure X is installed? |
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| 17:49.35 | DarkStone | command not foung @ chealer |
| 17:49.41 | DarkStone | i dont know if it is installed |
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| 17:49.46 | Perdignus | Is anyone familiar with how to enable the progress bar with the splash.sh script for silent bootsplash themes? |
| 17:49.56 | DarkStone | i downloaded the iso from the oficial site |
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| 17:49.56 | launch | edlin i admit, but like emule and running the os but just showing one program |
| 17:50.09 | kerneld | launch: You could try winning x86 wine in a qemu |
| 17:50.13 | chealer | DarkStone: well you should probably make sure it's installed before considering to reinstall Debian because startx isn't found |
| 17:50.24 | kerneld | doubt you will get any useful result though |
| 17:50.32 | DarkStone | chealer: how? |
| 17:50.46 | DarkStone | this is my 1st time with any form of linux |
| 17:50.49 | chealer | DarkStone: make sure that x-window-system-core is installed |
| 17:50.54 | launch | kerneld yes i heard is good, but why.. why is faster to run wine in qemu than run directly a program in qemu |
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| 17:51.11 | kerneld | launch: I think you can run the MS x86 emulator in macosx in mol |
| 17:51.31 | launch | too hard mol |
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| 17:51.33 | DarkStone | chealer: how am i able to check |
| 17:51.46 | DarkStone | i dont have a clue about anything |
| 17:51.51 | DarkStone | on linux |
| 17:51.56 | kerneld | launch: If mol is too hard, then you are barking up the wrong tree |
| 17:52.01 | chealer | DarkStone: # apt-get install x-window-system-core; should let you see if it's already installed |
| 17:52.07 | DarkStone | ok |
| 17:52.11 | DarkStone | i will try |
| 17:52.12 | kerneld | it is fast and good |
| 17:52.25 | launch | kerneld i hate when an error occur but you dont got any message or error code |
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| 17:53.03 | kerneld | launch: Well mol is your best option, but 3d will be a joke |
| 17:53.13 | launch | ? |
| 17:53.15 | kerneld | might be good to rune office for xp |
| 17:53.24 | prudhvi | !kernel-source |
| 17:53.44 | inc|freaky | what is that debian setup program called? |
| 17:53.53 | launch | debian-installer? |
| 17:53.55 | inc|freaky | i keep remembering "debconf" but thats something else |
| 17:53.58 | launch | oh |
| 17:54.00 | inc|freaky | dont think so |
| 17:54.01 | launch | yes debconf |
| 17:54.14 | inc|freaky | no i mean that other menu where i can setup some system settings |
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| 17:54.33 | inc|freaky | can i use debian-installer to look if all required packages are installed? because i cant get x to work |
| 17:54.33 | kerneld | base-config |
| 17:54.36 | kerneld | ? |
| 17:54.40 | inc|freaky | yea base-config, thx :D |
| 17:55.02 | unity | i cannot set my monitor resolution to 1280 x 1024, but i know my monitor supports this, does anyone know how i can do it? i've tried dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:55.08 | EdLin | inc|freaky: just run aptitude |
| 17:55.10 | nk | zinx, __honky: but if I sniff network traffic on my network, arp does not seem to be broadcast. there are just arp requests addressed to my machine or from my machine |
| 17:55.18 | inc|freaky | EdLin: k, thx :D |
| 17:55.21 | launch | unity pick up the right driver |
| 17:55.54 | unstable | unity: What video card are you using? |
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| 17:56.09 | kerneld | grr, compiling gcj is a bitch take forever |
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| 17:56.23 | Memphix | hi |
| 17:56.25 | unity | launch: geforce 3 |
| 17:56.29 | unstable | !greet Memphix |
| 17:56.29 | dpkg | Moo, Memphix |
| 17:56.35 | unity | unstable: geforce 3 |
| 17:56.47 | unstable | !tell unity about drxx |
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| 17:56.47 | kerneld | unity: Do you have the booklet that came with your monitor? |
| 17:56.54 | unstable | unity: pick "nv" driver when you do it. |
| 17:57.00 | zinx | nk: the kernel is probably dropping it :D |
| 17:57.17 | Snake__ | What came first? Midnight Commander or Norton Commander |
| 17:57.18 | Memphix | it is possible that the /bin/bash of 2 hosts has a different md5sum |
| 17:57.22 | kerneld | in the specifications, it should have horizontal and vertical sync ranges |
| 17:57.23 | Memphix | the package version is the same |
| 17:57.24 | zinx | nk: arp requests are, by neccesity, broadcast.. replies aren't, though, most probably |
| 17:57.30 | unstable | Snake__: mc |
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| 17:57.32 | Memphix | ? |
| 17:57.38 | unity | unstable: "nvidia" gives me 2800 fps so i am led to believe it is the correct driver? |
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| 17:57.51 | unity | unity: 2800 fps on glxgears that is |
| 17:58.01 | heny | hello, i got the following: |
| 17:58.04 | unstable | unity: What version of debian are you using? |
| 17:58.06 | nk | zinx: how could the kernel know that he can drop it even if I did not set anything with iptables? |
| 17:58.12 | kerneld | zinx: You don't need the replies to observe what network address are being used though |
| 17:58.15 | unity | unity: sarge |
| 17:58.19 | zinx | unity: what CPU? |
| 17:58.19 | unstable | Memphix: absolutely |
| 17:58.20 | Snake__ | unstable: your sure? I found a lot of sources that say nc was first |
| 17:58.24 | zinx | kerneld: ja |
| 17:58.32 | unity | unity: 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 17:58.46 | Memphix | unity: I check the diff |
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| 17:58.50 | zinx | nk: arp is a fairly low-level networking thing |
| 17:58.58 | nk | zinx: maybe the switch does somehow filter the arp traffic |
| 17:59.01 | Memphix | cat /bin/bash | hexdump |
| 17:59.05 | unity | zinx: intel p4 1.8 is all i know about my cpu |
| 17:59.06 | Memphix | only differs in 2 bits |
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| 17:59.11 | zinx | nk: it's possible |
| 17:59.17 | zinx | nk: it may handle arp requests itself |
| 17:59.18 | heny | Hello, i got the following |
| 17:59.19 | heny | 1 pc (server @ debian) without internet/with 1 ethernet card |
| 17:59.19 | heny | 1 pc (desktop @ win xp) with internet/with 2 ethernet card |
| 17:59.19 | heny | i didn't configure any ip adresses etc yet, but i want both PC's to be able to use internet (i got no router!) |
| 17:59.19 | heny | how do i have to configure them? |
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| 17:59.32 | unstable | Snake__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Commander |
| 17:59.34 | zinx | nk: if you send any traffic |
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| 17:59.39 | launch | new thinkpad are not made by ibm? |
| 17:59.41 | heny | Hello, i got the following |
| 17:59.41 | heny | 1 pc (server @ debian) without internet/with 1 ethernet card |
| 17:59.41 | heny | 1 pc (desktop @ win xp) with internet/with 2 ethernet card |
| 17:59.41 | heny | i didn't configure any ip adresses etc yet, but i want both PC's to be able to use internet (i got no router!) |
| 17:59.41 | heny | how do i have to configure them? |
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| 17:59.48 | Snake__ | usn_work: both say that mc was a clone of nc |
| 17:59.48 | nk | launch: levono |
| 18:00.02 | heny | Hello, i got the following |
| 18:00.04 | launch | nk this is a sub-division of ibm? |
| 18:00.07 | heny | 1 pc (server @ debian) without internet/with 1 ethernet card |
| 18:00.07 | heny | 1 pc (desktop @ win xp) with internet/with 2 ethernet card |
| 18:00.13 | unstable | !tell heny about repeat |
| 18:00.16 | zinx | heny: you're not going to get any help that way |
| 18:00.19 | heny | sorry, i was kicked |
| 18:00.20 | heny | ! |
| 18:00.22 | heny | :( |
| 18:00.24 | kerneld | zinx: At some point the switch would need to send the arp out again, otherwise you could nver move your patch frome one port to another |
| 18:00.26 | __honky | launch: chinese |
| 18:00.29 | zinx | heny: did you read the message that said why you were kicked? |
| 18:00.35 | nk | launch: dunnow really. guess they bought this branch from ibm |
| 18:00.38 | heny | no, i didn't get any message zinx |
| 18:00.41 | heny | that's the problem |
| 18:00.43 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:00.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:00.47 | launch | __honky, ? |
| 18:00.51 | zinx | heny: requested by debhelper: "use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood" |
| 18:01.01 | __honky | launch: lenovo is a chinese comapny |
| 18:01.05 | launch | ok |
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| 18:01.36 | heny | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2331 <- would appreciate any help |
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| 18:01.48 | launch | its the end of ibm? intel in mac.. lenovo thinkpad.. |
| 18:01.57 | bykte | hello, if i make changes to /etc/resolv.conf, do i need to restart or something? |
| 18:02.06 | citral | bykte: no |
| 18:02.12 | Schmidt | im going to install debian, if i leave some space left, can i then install windows later, but still be able to boot both? |
| 18:02.14 | citral | nothing |
| 18:02.14 | bykte | it's passive huh? ok thanks... |
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| 18:02.28 | zinx | heny: i'd move the extra ethernet card to the linux box, but if you don't want to, enable internet connection sharing or something (for further info, seek a windows help resource, because i know nothing about it) |
| 18:02.30 | citral | or rather active |
| 18:02.34 | launch | Schmidt, you must install windows first |
| 18:02.41 | bykte | then citral, what's the amount of namservers can you put in there? |
| 18:02.45 | bykte | max of 2? |
| 18:02.46 | unity | unstable: when i change the driver to nv, i get no screens found |
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| 18:02.54 | citral | bykte: as much as you want |
| 18:02.55 | EdLin | Schmidt: the other way around is easier, first windows, then Linux - because windows overwrites the MBR |
| 18:02.55 | tarzeau | Schmidt: you can also install windows later, you'll just need to fix the bootloader later |
| 18:02.58 | zinx | heny: you'll probably need a crossover cable too, or an adapter |
| 18:02.58 | kerneld | heny: You are more likely to get help here if you take one netwrok card out of your xp box and put it in your debian box |
| 18:03.00 | bykte | ah ok |
| 18:03.35 | kerneld | otherwise it becomes an xp config issue which is kind of off topic |
| 18:03.43 | Schmidt | launch, EdLin, tarzeau : how hard is it to change the bootloader? easy like 5 min, ore? |
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| 18:03.56 | heny | well, first thing, do i need to configure ip-adresses in debian for using a crossover cable? |
| 18:03.58 | kerneld | and yes, you will need a crossover cable |
| 18:04.01 | launch | schmidt using a floppy |
| 18:04.01 | tarzeau | Schmidt: yes |
| 18:04.05 | heny | i got one! and connected it @ kerneld |
| 18:04.06 | tarzeau | launch: or cd |
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| 18:04.22 | launch | or cd ;] |
| 18:04.25 | tarzeau | or netboot |
| 18:04.37 | launch | or usbkey |
| 18:04.37 | kerneld | heny: do you have the cable? The color order of the wires in the rj45 plug should be different at each end |
| 18:05.02 | heny | kerneld: i already plugged it in, it's a crossover cable 100% |
| 18:05.04 | marlun | chealer, Will Etch when finished have the whole gnome 2.14 release? Can I install it now and keep updating it and get more and more? =) |
| 18:05.19 | kerneld | heny: OK, in base-config you can set up networking |
| 18:05.22 | bizkit | is there a neat analog clock (applet?) that supports transparent background? |
| 18:05.59 | heny | kerneld: configure ppp? |
| 18:06.22 | chealer | marlun: most likely |
| 18:06.26 | launch | heny try dpkg-reconfigure net-retriever |
| 18:06.36 | kerneld | heny: No, ppp is for serial lines or vpns and other stuff you are not using here |
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| 18:07.01 | EdLin | kerneld: there is pppoe... |
| 18:07.09 | heny | net-retriever doesn't seem to be installed |
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| 18:07.20 | chealer | marlun: actually, it's more likely that it's incomplete, but is should have, say, over 90% |
| 18:07.22 | kerneld | EdLin: That falls under the 'or other stuff you are not using here' |
| 18:07.32 | chealer | marlun: s/is/it |
| 18:07.35 | marlun | chealer, ok :) |
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| 18:08.49 | kerneld | heny: Not sure how you are going to have your xp box setup to do nat. I never use xp as a router |
| 18:08.50 | prudhvi | man this is like hell, alsaconf finds the soundcard but not saves the contents, i have to run alsaconf on every boot. what is it really smoking ? |
| 18:09.37 | stew | prudhvi: put the name of the driver into /etc/modules |
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| 18:10.21 | prudhvi | stew, including the snd_ prefix ? |
| 18:10.37 | stew | yes |
| 18:10.38 | kerneld | prudhvi: Whatever is in lsmod: |
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| 18:10.56 | erikh | hi folks |
| 18:11.18 | qip|Virusmaster | hi, can someone tell me, in which package i can find tunctl? |
| 18:11.26 | erikh | I'm using the sendmail package from stable, and I can't seem to get SMTP-AUTH to work. does anyone know why? |
| 18:11.26 | witless | "If you are indeed using xinetd, you will have to convert the |
| 18:11.26 | witless | above into /etc/xinetd.conf format, and add it manually." wtf |
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| 18:11.49 | erikh | I have sasl2 and the daemon installed, and all the right configuration bits... this config worked before on my FreeBSD machine. |
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| 18:12.05 | stew | witless: i don't understand your question |
| 18:12.12 | tarzeau | erikh: tried #gnu-kbsd and debian gnu/kfreebsd yet? |
| 18:12.22 | bykte | erm, what file do i need to edit to prevent smtp and popa3d from starting up each time the machine is restarted? |
| 18:12.24 | erikh | hm? I'm using debian. |
| 18:12.55 | witless | stew: just wondering why that couldn't have been done in the install script |
| 18:13.16 | kerneld | erikh: He was askign if you had tried the debian port with freebsd kernel |
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| 18:13.30 | kerneld | nothing to do with your question |
| 18:13.33 | erikh | no.. I'm using a linode, and if I wanted to use freebsd, I'd just use freebsd |
| 18:13.34 | stew | witless: it probably could have been |
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| 18:14.14 | heny | i get, "connect: Network is unreachable" when trying to ping a lan PC, probably because no ip-address is set? |
| 18:14.35 | kerneld | heny: Yeah, could be |
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| 18:14.49 | launch | or cable not properly connected |
| 18:14.51 | heny | how can i set ip stuff etc? |
| 18:15.04 | kerneld | you need to set an IP on the same network on the second lan interface on your xp box |
| 18:15.07 | launch | heny /etc/hosts |
| 18:15.36 | heny | it got: |
| 18:15.46 | bykte | sorry to ask again, which file do i need to edit to prevent smtp and popa3d from starting up each time the machine is restarted? |
| 18:15.50 | heny | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost PCNAME |
| 18:15.55 | heny | what should i edit there? |
| 18:16.22 | kerneld | !networking |
| 18:16.22 | dpkg | somebody said networking was at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/ and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html and "man interfaces" |
| 18:16.23 | launch | heny the ip address of your pc and the others one |
| 18:16.32 | heny | in which format? |
| 18:16.34 | erikh | bykte: look into update-rc.d |
| 18:16.55 | heny | 192.168.0.1 then? |
| 18:16.58 | heny | what after that |
| 18:17.22 | Voltage | I user Debian, and just installed proftpd ftp-server, configed it for "Standalone" and I now want to creat an ftp-account on proftpd, I have read the docs on their homepage, but cant ind anything about thet "simple" matter, can some one help me? |
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| 18:17.46 | kerneld | heny: Are you familar with ip networking? I higly recomment setting asside an hour or so to do a little background reading before trying to set one up |
| 18:18.13 | heny | kerneld: got not many time, i am familiar with it under windows |
| 18:18.16 | heny | that's the problem |
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| 18:18.33 | launch | heny man hosts |
| 18:18.43 | kerneld | heny: Does your xp box have a dhcp server? |
| 18:18.51 | bykte | erikh, those are just perl codes, doesnt allow me to edit which to start at all |
| 18:18.56 | kerneld | heny: If it does, then its easy |
| 18:18.56 | strefli3 | exit |
| 18:19.01 | POVaddct | launch: network interface config is NOT done in /etc/hosts |
| 18:19.04 | prudhvi | stew, adding the module name didnt worked :( |
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| 18:19.23 | heny | kerneld: yep it got one |
| 18:19.36 | erikh | bykte: read the manual for it, it'll allow you to change the startup sequence |
| 18:19.37 | launch | POVaddct, i know, he want to know why he are unable to ping are others computer |
| 18:19.39 | kerneld | Okay, then forget about setting up a manual IP |
| 18:19.39 | POVaddct | heny: you must edit /etc/network/interfaces (read man 5 interfaces) |
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| 18:19.51 | heny | k |
| 18:19.55 | st3ph | I'm trying to install gesklets/testing I get error Umet dependencies. How can i get the package to pull in dependencies? Any suggestions? |
| 18:20.04 | st3ph | gdesklet* |
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| 18:20.17 | foobarz | what is the disk driver for Hitachi Travelstar 5k100? |
| 18:20.24 | erikh | so no one here uses sendmail/ |
| 18:20.26 | kerneld | heny: You will want to look at the interfaces section specifically on setting up an inet dhcp interface |
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| 18:20.35 | POVaddct | launch: he should be able to ping the xp box without editing /etc/hosts |
| 18:20.36 | heny | kerneld: where? |
| 18:20.42 | foobarz | I nned to know which driver I should load during the debian installation |
| 18:20.47 | kerneld | type: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:21.04 | launch | POVaddct, ok |
| 18:21.08 | kerneld | then edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:21.33 | chealer | st3ph: don't you get anything more verbose than that? |
| 18:21.39 | kronoz | is xorg 7 in sid yet? |
| 18:21.40 | chealer | !tell st3ph about bat |
| 18:21.41 | heny | iface eth0 inet dhcp ? |
| 18:21.42 | heny | or what? |
| 18:21.43 | chealer | kronoz: no |
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| 18:22.00 | launch | heny yes |
| 18:22.01 | kerneld | heny: looks good, and you will probably want aqn auto eth0 |
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| 18:22.18 | heny | but doesn't then the linux will be an dhcp server? |
| 18:22.38 | POVaddct | heny: no, it will be a dhcp client |
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| 18:22.51 | kerneld | heny: No, that is not configured in interfaces, that tells the interface to use a dhcp client when it is brought up |
| 18:23.08 | LordNazgul | any idea why ssh wouldnt be tunneling a port. im trying to tunnel vnc over, and the ssh connection goes ok, but when i try vncviewer it just sits there then times out |
| 18:23.09 | heny | to which chmode do i have to set /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:23.11 | heny | to edit it |
| 18:23.27 | POVaddct | heny: you must be root to edit that file |
| 18:23.38 | heny | ah knew something was wrong |
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| 18:23.38 | POVaddct | heny: do not chmod it |
| 18:23.39 | heny | wasn't root |
| 18:23.40 | heny | haha |
| 18:23.40 | heny | :D |
| 18:23.51 | kerneld | LordNazgul: i just use xtightvncviewer -via sshhost somevncserver:0 |
| 18:24.03 | kerneld | and it does the ssh tunneling for me |
| 18:24.31 | scam | i upgraded the kernel from stable 2.4-* to 2.6-* with apt-get and now my type 5 keyboard mapping is totally wrong |
| 18:24.39 | heny | POVaddct: ok edited that file |
| 18:24.40 | heny | what now? |
| 18:24.48 | kerneld | heny: ifup eth0 |
| 18:24.49 | LordNazgul | kerneld the ultimate goal here is to do the two separate, because i may have to access the machine from a windows box which requires putty with tunnels then a vncviewer |
| 18:24.49 | scam | XF86config-4 is correct |
| 18:25.00 | POVaddct | heny: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:25.25 | heny | Ignoring unkown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 18:25.37 | kerneld | LordNazgul: you are setting the tunnel in putty then? |
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| 18:25.51 | LordNazgul | kerneld when im log in from a windows box yes |
| 18:26.00 | kerneld | LordNazgul: L foo:someip:foo |
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| 18:26.23 | st3ph | Is there a way to manually downoald package dependencies while installing from another distrbution? i.e apt-get testing |
| 18:26.41 | LordNazgul | kerled i know that, i ve got a good setup on a couple of other boxes, im just setting up a new one and the tunnel isnt coming accross |
| 18:27.04 | scam | can anyone tell me how to stop gdm not to load on start-up |
| 18:27.14 | kerneld | LordNazgul: is the local port you are binding already in use maybe? |
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| 18:27.26 | POVaddct | heny: seems you don't have a eth0 interface. try: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep eth0 |
| 18:27.28 | LordNazgul | hmmm doubt it but maybe |
| 18:27.31 | chealer | st3ph: yes |
| 18:27.45 | kerneld | scam: chec/ etc/defaults/gdm maybe |
| 18:27.50 | chealer | st3ph: wait, manually? what do you mean? |
| 18:28.08 | heny | eth0 Protocol: Ethernet Hardware Adress: 00:0E:2E:74:F8:b3 |
| 18:28.20 | POVaddct | heny: okay, eth0 is present |
| 18:28.40 | POVaddct | heny: so you must have f*cked up your interfaces file |
| 18:28.42 | EdLin | scam: apt-get remove --purge gdm |
| 18:28.50 | heny | i didn't :D i just added 2 lines |
| 18:28.52 | cahoot | scam: try /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 18:29.15 | POVaddct | heny: then show us the file on pastebin (not here in this channel) |
| 18:29.24 | POVaddct | !pastebin |
| 18:29.24 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
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| 18:30.06 | st3ph | chealear manually , I mean is there an apt-get option to download pacakge depends whill install from another distro? |
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| 18:30.38 | ribnitz | heyas all. |
| 18:30.48 | heny | POVaddct: http://pastebin.ca/48776 |
| 18:31.37 | POVaddct | heny: what should the last line do? |
| 18:31.40 | heny | dunno |
| 18:31.45 | heny | kerneld told me to add it |
| 18:32.01 | POVaddct | heny: he didn't |
| 18:32.20 | POVaddct | heny: he told you to add eth0 to the existing "auto lo" line |
| 18:32.22 | heny | [20:22:31] <kerneld> heny: looks good, and you will probably want aqn auto eth0 |
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| 18:33.21 | POVaddct | heny: hmm, i don't know what he meant by "aqn" but i certainly shouldn't go to the file |
| 18:33.23 | ribnitz | How do i change need to change my X11 so I can type in russian characters? |
| 18:33.33 | heny | POVaddct, so simply delete the last line? |
| 18:33.57 | POVaddct | heny: yes. and add eth0 to the first one. |
| 18:33.58 | kerneld | aqn was a type, was sopposed to be add |
| 18:34.07 | chealer | st3ph: sorry. you want to install a package from a particular release, but all its dependencies from a different release? |
| 18:34.09 | POVaddct | kerneld: ah okay |
| 18:34.11 | kerneld | I am full of typos :P |
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| 18:34.24 | POVaddct | typos scuk :) |
| 18:34.28 | cahoot | ribnitz: setxkbmap? |
| 18:34.35 | heny | auto lo eth0 |
| 18:34.36 | heny | ? |
| 18:34.39 | POVaddct | heny: yes |
| 18:34.46 | kerneld | Prob want to get rid of the dsl stuff too |
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| 18:34.58 | heny | kerneld, which lines to delete? |
| 18:35.09 | True_Daemon | [help] I am having issues with mounting and partitioning my USB harddrive in Debian (SARGE). My dmsg returns that it does see a usb device hooked up and my lsusb returns Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04cf:8818 Myson Century, Inc. Fast 3.5" External Storage |
| 18:35.18 | kerneld | heny: 4-8 |
| 18:35.23 | POVaddct | heny: but i see a potential problem. eth0 seems to be used for adsl dial up. |
| 18:35.36 | heny | POVaddct, i may delete it |
| 18:35.39 | heny | it was from before |
| 18:35.44 | heny | where i plugged in the dsl cable |
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| 18:36.09 | True_Daemon | Is there another device that debian may issue for my hardware rather then the default /dev/sda for scsi support. |
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| 18:36.17 | POVaddct | heny: okay. so delete lines 4-8 |
| 18:36.21 | heny | ok saved and edited it |
| 18:36.22 | heny | what now? |
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| 18:36.23 | kerneld | heny: When you get comfortable wioth your linux box, you might want to pull the extra card out of the windows box and use linux as the router |
| 18:36.32 | kerneld | but thats for another day |
| 18:36.32 | heny | yea |
| 18:36.34 | heny | hehe |
| 18:36.44 | POVaddct | heny: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:36.54 | launch | somebody have played a full 3d game with qemu without too much lagging? |
| 18:37.05 | heny | POVaddct: don e |
| 18:37.14 | POVaddct | heny: or course you need a dhcp server somewhere on your lan |
| 18:37.17 | kerneld | heny: Now: ifconfig eth0 |
| 18:37.21 | kerneld | see what it says |
| 18:37.22 | POVaddct | heny: s/or/of |
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| 18:37.34 | heny | yes got one |
| 18:37.36 | heny | win xp |
| 18:37.42 | heny | connected with crossover to linux pc |
| 18:37.43 | POVaddct | heny: okay |
| 18:37.53 | POVaddct | heny: so ping the ip address of the xp box |
| 18:37.56 | True_Daemon | Can anyone assist me? |
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| 18:38.33 | kerneld | True_Daemon: partitioning it? You want to do that |
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| 18:38.52 | True_Daemon | hopfully.. but for now i would like to see if it will be compatible with linux |
| 18:38.52 | kerneld | or just have one big drive |
| 18:39.08 | kerneld | True_Daemon: look at cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:39.10 | spanglesontoast | how do I remove the console screensaver |
| 18:39.17 | kerneld | see if you see some /dev/sda .... |
| 18:39.18 | True_Daemon | like I said.. mounting /dev/sda does nothing |
| 18:39.20 | POVaddct | spanglesontoast: setterm -blank 0 |
| 18:39.29 | Daedalus_ | spanglesontoast: gnome or kde? |
| 18:39.33 | Daedalus_ | oh |
| 18:39.34 | kerneld | True_Daemon: it might be /dev/sda1 |
| 18:39.36 | POVaddct | spanglesontoast: (if you mean the linux text console) |
| 18:39.40 | True_Daemon | I have tried that aswell |
| 18:39.42 | spanglesontoast | yes |
| 18:39.46 | spanglesontoast | the linux text console |
| 18:39.49 | spanglesontoast | without x |
| 18:39.50 | kerneld | True_Daemon: Is it a new drive, or does it have stuff |
| 18:40.01 | True_Daemon | and again.. no activity on my drive what so ever.. I know its formated as a fat32 partition.. |
| 18:40.02 | kerneld | True_Daemon: but what is in /proc/partitions |
| 18:40.10 | True_Daemon | 0 data.. newly formated |
| 18:40.16 | launch | POVaddct, setterm -blanc 1 to have a console screensaver i suppose? i wanna see lol |
| 18:40.20 | launch | seem to be ugly |
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| 18:40.45 | True_Daemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.47 | fc | hello |
| 18:40.49 | deepmoon | anyone had success with sound on a powerbook5,7 ? |
| 18:40.57 | POVaddct | launch: it is a blanker. no fancy screen saver. |
| 18:41.02 | kerneld | try: apt-get install sl; while :; do sl; done |
| 18:41.18 | POVaddct | launch: the option is called -blank (with k, not c) |
| 18:41.37 | True_Daemon | is it possible thats teh device... |
| 18:41.42 | spanglesontoast | huh? |
| 18:41.50 | True_Daemon | I do have a IDE device and a CDrom... |
| 18:41.59 | True_Daemon | but thats the only scsi device... |
| 18:42.08 | True_Daemon | with 1 primary partition |
| 18:42.14 | fc | does anyone know how to check whether apt-build actually used the arch specified in the config script? i cannot find anything on google on how to check if apt-build worked |
| 18:42.56 | kerneld | True_Daemon: That loks like it 8 1 272218546 scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 1 0 2 95120 1 2 6 80830 0 95120 175950 |
| 18:43.01 | launch | POVaddct, thanks, is there a way to put console with color, instead of black? |
| 18:43.13 | True_Daemon | ill use paste bin... |
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| 18:43.35 | POVaddct | launch: set foreground and background color? yes. man setterm |
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| 18:43.41 | launch | thanks |
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| 18:43.59 | foo | Bah. I just built a kernel. My USB drive isn't working. Odds are what ? I don't have the USB module? Or what am I missing? |
| 18:44.03 | True_Daemon | http://pastebin.com/649942 |
| 18:44.15 | tombs | hi all |
| 18:44.18 | fc | well you either didnt compile usb support or you didnt load the module |
| 18:44.27 | fc | most likely you didnt compile usb support in |
| 18:44.52 | fc | go to drivers and enable the three usb drivers (uhci etc or whatever their name is) and then enable support for usb drives |
| 18:44.54 | True_Daemon | and how would one check that |
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| 18:45.28 | fc | foo what kernel are you using |
| 18:45.37 | spanglesontoast | so how would we change the text color? |
| 18:45.40 | foo | fc: 2.6.16 |
| 18:45.45 | POVaddct | spanglesontoast: man setterm |
| 18:45.48 | spanglesontoast | ok |
| 18:45.55 | fc | yeah so its probably just that you forgot to add support for usb |
| 18:46.17 | fc | just do what i said above |
| 18:46.45 | True_Daemon | Download usb-storage-modules-2.4.27-2-386-di |
| 18:47.02 | fc | if you actually compiled those things into the kernel then it might be that you need to enable ide or scsi support because the usb drive might need ide emulation |
| 18:47.05 | foo | fc: Can I manually modprobe the module? |
| 18:47.28 | fc | i remember for my digital camera i had to compile ide support for emulation i think.. |
| 18:47.40 | POVaddct | foo: modprobe uhci-hcd ; modprobe ohci-hcd ; modprobe ehci-hcd |
| 18:47.45 | fc | well you could try, but odds are that if you had it the kernel would have loaded it |
| 18:47.48 | scam | has anyone lost there keymapping on there keyboard when apt-getting the 2.6 kernel |
| 18:47.56 | fc | do an lsmod and see if those are already loaded |
| 18:48.37 | kerneld | True_Daemon: what kernel version do you have? Do you have udev installed? |
| 18:48.45 | foo | POVaddct: Don't have uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd. hmm |
| 18:48.57 | True_Daemon | I had to remove udev for usbmgr i believe it was |
| 18:49.03 | kerneld | otherwise, you could try: mount /scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/foo |
| 18:49.06 | True_Daemon | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:49.12 | True_Daemon | ok |
| 18:49.17 | POVaddct | foo: then you either forgot them or compiled them into the kernel (not as modules) |
| 18:49.27 | spanglesontoast | how do I turn off the terminal bell? |
| 18:49.40 | fc | why dont you do a make menuconfig and check whether you have them in there? |
| 18:49.43 | POVaddct | spanglesontoast: setterm -bfreq 0 |
| 18:49.52 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 18:49.52 | spanglesontoast | ty |
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| 18:50.09 | True_Daemon | mount: special device /scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not exist |
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| 18:50.26 | True_Daemon | modprobe: Can't locate module uhci-hcd |
| 18:50.27 | True_Daemon | modprobe: Can't locate module ohci-hcd |
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| 18:50.35 | jayeola | dpkg: hostname |
| 18:50.35 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 18:50.42 | kerneld | True_Daemon: sorr put a /dev in front |
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| 18:51.18 | POVaddct | bah, devfs. i hate it. |
| 18:51.20 | True_Daemon | mount: special device /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not exist |
| 18:51.25 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 18:51.25 | True_Daemon | /nick true_daemon |
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| 18:51.40 | spanglesontoast | when I ran top it got rid of my foreground color |
| 18:52.04 | heny | POVaddct: still "connect: Network is unreachable", i guess i first need any possible LAN-connection |
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| 18:52.15 | heny | dhcp-server is configured |
| 18:52.34 | POVaddct | spanglesontoast: setterm -foreground ... -background ... -store |
| 18:52.53 | foo | fc, POVaddct: Do you prefer built-in, or modules .. I am in make menuconfig under usb support and I see OHCI and UHCI is neither built-in or module. What do you prefer and why? |
| 18:52.53 | spanglesontoast | ah |
| 18:52.54 | jayeola | hey chaps.... if i s/debian/foo/ in /etc/hostname, is that all i need to do to replace a box's hostname? |
| 18:52.57 | kerneld | heny: What do you see in : ifconfig eth0 |
| 18:53.11 | POVaddct | foo: i usually compile them as modules |
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| 18:53.18 | kerneld | jayeola: Yeah, but don't foprget to edit /etc/hosts |
| 18:53.21 | heny | a lot of info about eth0 |
| 18:53.26 | jayeola | kerneld: thanks |
| 18:53.33 | True_Daemon | I guess its best just to update teh kerenl |
| 18:53.34 | foo | POVaddct: Hmm, what's your reasoning being that? Just curious |
| 18:53.35 | kerneld | jayeola: To make it active right away, sudo: hostname foo |
| 18:53.44 | True_Daemon | see if that improoves it... |
| 18:53.57 | kerneld | jayeola: otherwise, it wont go active until next boot |
| 18:53.58 | fc | foo i used to compile everything into the kernel so i dont forget to load them but debian autoloads all the modules pretty nicely now... if you compile them as modules you have the advantage that if one of them is misbehaving you can kill them and reload them |
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| 18:54.04 | POVaddct | foo: i can unload/reload the drivers while the system is running |
| 18:54.16 | jayeola | kerneld: 127.0.0.1 foo localhost localhost.localdomain |
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| 18:54.29 | True_Daemon | I have only seen this device in action in windows 98.. ever computer i boot with knoppix, it freezes during loading when it detects my hdd |
| 18:54.33 | jayeola | ^^ that ok? and then reboot i guess |
| 18:54.34 | kerneld | jayeola: Looks good |
| 18:54.37 | jayeola | ty! |
| 18:54.42 | POVaddct | heny: du sprichst doch deutsch, oder? /join #povhelp |
| 18:54.48 | foo | POVaddct, fc: Gocha, thanks. I do have some usb modules currentl loaded (usbhid, usbcore, scsi_mod, usb_storage) ... is that not enough? |
| 18:55.04 | fc | no cause you need to have usb support in first |
| 18:55.12 | POVaddct | foo: you also need sd_mod |
| 18:55.14 | fc | usb support is that UHCI OHCI or whatever |
| 18:55.25 | fc | that provides support to the actual usb socket |
| 18:55.37 | kerneld | fc: Yesh, your need the HCI interface dtriver |
| 18:55.51 | fc | the ones you mentioned only work provided the kernel can see the usb in the first place :P |
| 18:56.01 | launch | Ian Murdock is there? |
| 18:56.02 | foo | fc: Ahh, I see what you are saying. |
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| 18:57.05 | kerneld | heny: But an IP address? |
| 18:57.14 | kerneld | heny: How about: netstat -rn |
| 18:57.36 | fc | foo do a lspci |
| 18:57.56 | fc | that will tell you what kind of usb driver you need (UHCI OHCI etc) |
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| 18:58.08 | fc | lspci -v |
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| 18:58.38 | foo | fc: ahhh, I see. I just see USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM Usb (Hub #1) |
| 18:58.45 | fc | and then obviously compile that driver as a module in a new kernel |
| 18:58.50 | fc | nono thats not it foo |
| 18:58.55 | fc | you should find another one |
| 18:59.00 | fc | ill paste you what mine says |
| 18:59.27 | fc | 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 04) |
| 18:59.46 | fc | see, so at the end it tells you what type of module you need. in my case is uhci |
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| 18:59.53 | POVaddct | foo: that controller type needs the uhci-hcd module |
| 19:00.01 | True_Daemon | 0000:00:14.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) |
| 19:00.16 | foo | POVaddct: thanks |
| 19:00.17 | True_Daemon | ...what, does everyone here use intel hardware |
| 19:00.20 | fc | ohh isnt piix4 a legacy interface or something? |
| 19:00.23 | foo | fc: The one I mentioned is only usb. |
| 19:00.31 | fc | haha i just got a new dell, its cheaper than building my own box |
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| 19:00.47 | kerneld | USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801AA USB (rev 02) |
| 19:00.50 | foo | hah, thanks |
| 19:00.51 | Meltir | hi ppl. im struggling to get sasl working. anyone here familiar with the sasl2-bin (and friends) packages ? im getting a "SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory" in my logs. saslauthd is running - i started it by hand, and its in ps -Al | grep saslauthd . |
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| 19:01.24 | fc | foo: do this then. although theres a good chence that UHCI is what you need, compile all three kinds as modules. when you boot the kernel will load only the ones you need. that way you know that its gonna work |
| 19:01.34 | foo | fc: Yeah |
| 19:01.44 | madclicker | i just updated a sarge system to etch, and all is fscked. All i get is a busybox prompt and sda is the a SATA drive and my main system is on Adaptec SCSI sdb. It keep mounting the SATA drive as root HELP |
| 19:02.03 | fc | since everything is compiled as a module the other ones will not be loeaded and you wont be wasting memory on them anyway |
| 19:02.37 | fc | madclicker do you have SATA and SCSI support in the kernel? |
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| 19:02.58 | madclicker | fc, 2.6.15 native etch kernel |
| 19:03.11 | Coweater | madclicker: is the sata drive essential to the system? (not just storage) |
| 19:03.31 | madclicker | fc, it was working fine on sarge |
| 19:03.41 | madclicker | Coweater, just storage |
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| 19:03.50 | fc | madclicker hmmm i dont know then... i actually had trouble with the sarge install w my sata drive but etch worked fine here |
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| 19:04.08 | True_Daemon | brb.. rebooting the new kernel |
| 19:04.09 | madclicker | fc, oh shiat |
| 19:04.11 | Coweater | the modules are probably being loaded in a different order, if you disconnect it you should be able to boot normally, and then you can mess with the module config |
| 19:04.31 | prudhvi | how does a module get index 0 ? |
| 19:04.43 | madclicker | Coweater, this whole update was because of module config |
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| 19:05.11 | madclicker | Coweater, sarge wouldnt skip e1000 module, hence would fuckup my networking |
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| 19:05.24 | fc | anyway, does anyone know how to check whether apt-build is compiling the code using the arch and the O levels specified in apt-build.conf? |
| 19:05.49 | fc | sorry, O levels |
| 19:05.59 | fc | bah, that was an o. nevermind. |
| 19:06.04 | kerneld | fc: You must be a pom |
| 19:06.13 | fc | pom? |
| 19:06.20 | kerneld | worried about your O levels |
| 19:06.24 | fc | haha |
| 19:06.34 | fc | nah i just wanted to recompile xorg |
| 19:06.47 | fc | for pentium 4 with o3 flags... |
| 19:06.54 | TerminX | O3 is for ricers |
| 19:07.07 | fc | but i found everywhere that apt-build doesnt even look at the config file |
| 19:07.09 | tarzeau | what's the film of tarantino called again, with the vampirs in mexico? |
| 19:07.20 | Voltage | What port is default for webmin? |
| 19:07.23 | fc | so, does anyone know? |
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| 19:07.30 | kerneld | tarzeau: dusk till dawn |
| 19:07.36 | tarzeau | kerneld: thanks |
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| 19:08.51 | POVaddct | tarzeau: do you know "four rooms"? it's not actually a tarantino movie, but he is playing a role in it. |
| 19:09.00 | Clawdia | thoughts about this? I run qmail with greylisting/auth patches, which doesn't work well to use it as an outgoing smtp server when moving around... so I figured I'd give postfix a spin on port 587... can I install a deb package for postfix alongside that for qmail by just forcing it? should I be aware of any real conflicts besides having to change postfix's port? |
| 19:09.17 | tarzeau | POVaddct: nope |
| 19:09.47 | POVaddct | tarzeau: very tarantinoesque :) |
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| 19:10.04 | tarzeau | heh |
| 19:10.09 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 19:10.53 | streuner | tarzeau: sounds like blood, blood and more blood :-) |
| 19:11.48 | tarzeau | streuner: hehe :) |
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| 19:12.32 | t35t0r | Please sign the petition for adequate linux drivers for ATI video cards on x86/x86_64: http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html . Sign if you don't have an ATI card too! Thanks. |
| 19:12.39 | POVaddct | streuner: rather weird characters, strange situations and, well a little blood too :) |
| 19:12.45 | fc | haha wow, a petition for drivers |
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| 19:13.16 | streuner | POVaddct: A movie from Tarantino without masses of blood? :-) |
| 19:13.22 | daeos | what command is used to upack a tar? |
| 19:13.31 | streuner | daeos: /msg dpkg tar |
| 19:13.32 | t35t0r | tar xvf |
| 19:13.33 | fc | tar xvf \ |
| 19:13.34 | Coweater | they mispelled radeon |
| 19:13.47 | t35t0r | Coweater, it's ok |
| 19:13.52 | POVaddct | streuner: it an episode movie. tarantino directed the last episode. |
| 19:13.59 | fc | yeah so nobody knows about how to check whether apt-build is compiling according to apt-build.conf ? |
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| 19:14.27 | tarzeau | t35t0r: know #ati ? |
| 19:14.38 | t35t0r | tarzeau, i don't know who runs that channel |
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| 19:14.52 | t35t0r | tarzeau, it's usually dead |
| 19:14.53 | daeos | thanks |
| 19:14.56 | tarzeau | it's not dead |
| 19:15.03 | dimir | !nickometer t35t0r |
| 19:15.05 | dpkg | 't35t0r' is 98.940% lame, dimir |
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| 19:16.00 | StereoSkit | new DPL <o/ |
| 19:16.01 | Zvpun | I cant run frozen-bubble after apt-get upgrade: "Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/SDL_perl/SDL_perl.so' for module SDL_perl: libstdc++.so.6: cannot handle TLS data at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/DynaLoader.pm line 225." Any idea? |
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| 19:16.27 | fc | zvpun what distro are you using |
| 19:16.29 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,DPL |
| 19:16.29 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 19:16.35 | Zvpun | fc: testing |
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| 19:16.52 | Werdna | hi all |
| 19:16.52 | StereoSkit | heh dpkg has not updated info on DPL |
| 19:17.10 | dvs | StereoSkit: Who won? |
| 19:17.11 | fc | ah. maybe the package is broken |
| 19:17.17 | r_marvin | dvs: aj |
| 19:17.30 | chealer | StereoSkit: amazing, considering the new DPL was elected today |
| 19:17.50 | dvs | chealer: They should be on top of these things! ;-) |
| 19:17.55 | Zvpun | fc: all I know is that it worked some time ago. I dont know when exactly it stoped working :-( That sucks. |
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| 19:18.08 | kerneld | byt the power of shwatz |
| 19:18.27 | kerneld | DPL elections always remind me of spaceballs |
| 19:18.49 | dvs | "i'm surrounded by... " ? |
| 19:18.49 | fc | zvpun i have no idea cause i dont even know what that package does but i would try installing the version on stable of it... who knows, sometimes it works.. |
| 19:19.26 | chealer | Zvpun: which kernel do you use? |
| 19:19.36 | fc | debian works in ways that reason does not understand :P |
| 19:19.57 | Zvpun | chealer: I didnt change my kernel. I am using 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 19:20.21 | chealer | Zvpun: as a wild guess, as 2.4 is deprecated, upgrading to 2.6 would probably fix that |
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| 19:21.33 | scam | how do you stop mta from starting on bootup? |
| 19:21.44 | dvs | scam: man update-rc.d |
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| 19:22.17 | scam | dvs that man page is like trying to read man screen |
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| 19:23.20 | scam | wow my usb keyboard works perfect in console but doesnt in X |
| 19:23.25 | scam | keymapping is wrong in X |
| 19:23.28 | scam | any ideas? |
| 19:23.29 | Itrebal | i'm going to be reinstalling debian shortly, should i stick with Sarge? |
| 19:23.36 | dvs | Itrebal: yes |
| 19:23.37 | Itrebal | i'd prefer to have X instead of XFree |
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| 19:23.42 | Itrebal | but thats no issue |
| 19:23.50 | dhuv | I am looking to setup a dns server on a local network which provides cached results to local computers AND allows me to set some ips manually. |
| 19:24.09 | dhuv | Does anyone know of a good howto? I have been reading things on bind and djbdns |
| 19:24.24 | dhuv | but I was wondering if there was anything specifically geared to what I am trying to do |
| 19:24.40 | dhuv | in a small network, I am sure other people need similar things |
| 19:24.48 | ncp_ | why dont security.debian.org dont work? because i have install ethc testing amd64? |
| 19:25.18 | roxy_ | Hi, I am on testing . I aptitude install granule but it crashed when I tried to _create_ a new desk. It is very close to that bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=360131 is it worth writing a new bug report ? |
| 19:25.26 | chealer | Itrebal: XFree86 *is* an implementation of X11 |
| 19:25.41 | Coweater | !tell ncp_ -about testing security |
| 19:25.48 | Itrebal | chealer: err... sorry, i ment xorg |
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| 19:26.18 | chealer | ncp_: what do you mean by "security.debian.org dont work"? |
| 19:27.17 | ncp_ | chealer: i cant update from it |
| 19:27.40 | chealer | ncp_: what does that mean? what are the symptoms? |
| 19:27.47 | EdLin | !tell ncp about testing security |
| 19:28.37 | kerneld | make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/david/build/gcj-4.0-4.0.3/build/i486-linux-gnu/libjava' |
| 19:28.55 | kerneld | fsk after a 4 hour build, a friken error |
| 19:29.09 | roxy_ | Itrebal: AFAIK you can choose which one you want. And curiosity: why would you prefer Xfree over Xorg ? |
| 19:29.16 | EdLin | !wayc kerneld |
| 19:29.17 | dpkg | kerneld: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:29.43 | Itrebal | roxy_: i prefer xorg over xfree |
| 19:29.44 | kerneld | is there an official way to labotomize the debian build scripts so they don't do dh_clean and other nasty crap |
| 19:30.14 | kerneld | EdLin: Because I don't want an unstable line in my sources.list, unless its deb-src |
| 19:30.15 | roxy_ | Itrebal: in testing I think xorg is default |
| 19:30.19 | chealer | roxy_: probably not. you can always check after that one is fixed, or append feedback about your problem to that bug. or try comparing your backtrace |
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| 19:30.49 | Tarantulafudge | which image torrent do I use? |
| 19:31.19 | kerneld | fiking waste of time |
| 19:31.21 | chealer | Itrebal: for how long did you use Debian, and which releases do you use? this is for a personal desktop? |
| 19:31.27 | Tarantulafudge | hello? |
| 19:31.36 | Itrebal | i've got to go |
| 19:31.39 | chealer | Tarantulafudge: to do what? |
| 19:31.40 | kerneld | I am guessing that is why its not in etch, I gues I shuld have checked the buildd logs |
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| 19:31.50 | main2 | please take a sec time to fill in this petition for good ati drivers .. > http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html < thank you |
| 19:31.50 | Tarantulafudge | chealer: what image do I use if I just want one cd |
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| 19:31.55 | roxy_ | chealer: it is the same backtrace, last saturday a package was upgraded mayb glibc or something. A flag was change that made granule crashed. Before granule worked perfectly. |
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| 19:32.20 | chealer | Tarantulafudge: you want the first full CD of Debian stable through bittorrent? |
| 19:32.47 | Tarantulafudge | chealer: so, binary-1 ? |
| 19:33.00 | chealer | Tarantulafudge: yes... |
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| 19:33.31 | scam | i got my keyboard to work in console but it doesnt work in X11 |
| 19:33.38 | scam | how do i get it to work in X11 also |
| 19:33.40 | Tarantulafudge | chealer: you think there'd be a readme saying so |
| 19:34.22 | chealer | roxy_: do you mean a glib upgrade, or really glibc? I'm not sure what a glibc flag would be, do you have some details about that? |
| 19:34.24 | roxy_ | scam: when you say doesnt work you mean not the keymap you expected ? |
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| 19:34.41 | scam | roxy_, correct |
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| 19:34.58 | chealer | Tarantulafudge: well, I think you could say what you want more precisely |
| 19:35.07 | scam | i forgot how to reconfigure X11.. i know the keyboard options are in there |
| 19:35.19 | chealer | !drxx scam |
| 19:35.19 | dpkg | scam: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:36.35 | kerneld | any Mexicans here? Is it Seman Santa already? |
| 19:36.41 | kerneld | err Semana |
| 19:36.48 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:36.48 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 19:37.06 | chealer | evolution : Resolved bugs -- Grave functionality bugs (22 bugs) |
| 19:37.15 | fc | no its not |
| 19:37.15 | kerneld | whys everyone asking about popcon ? |
| 19:37.21 | chealer | WOW. only 4 RC bugs to go :) |
| 19:37.25 | holden | hi channel. what's the best way to install a package in sarge that's only included in unstable? (im thinking lighttpd) |
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| 19:37.41 | fc | and for the record theres more catholics in italy and spain than in mexico |
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| 19:38.18 | aronofsky | hi , is there another way to install openoffice than using apt , because i download it from official site but there is only rpm inside the archive ? |
| 19:38.19 | chealer | holden: lighttpd is also in testing |
| 19:38.45 | chealer | aronofsky: of course there are other ways. not all distributions use APT. |
| 19:38.48 | kerneld | fc: Really? |
| 19:39.22 | holden | chealer: what's the best method to install it from testing? |
| 19:39.26 | kerneld | fc: Just need to know if I am going to get mobbed at the bridge |
| 19:39.45 | chealer | holden: perhaps...using APT :? |
| 19:39.46 | roxy_ | chealer: on 1 of my system I was using granule without problem(all testing). On Saturday I aptitude update/upgrade then granule stopped working(same backtrace than in the bug report). At work I stupidly did the same thing(stupid reflex) and got the same result. I got I machine left with debian testing but installed from CD so not upgraded for long and granule is working perfectly. I was talking about flag because that type of error can |
| 19:39.46 | roxy_ | be caused by some flag change somewhere but just read it on Internet and don't know much about it(obviously). |
| 19:39.53 | fc | kerneld what are you talking about |
| 19:39.54 | aronofsky | chealer, so how can I do with the rpms , did I download the wrong package ? |
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| 19:39.58 | chealer | holden: sorry I confused you with aronofsky |
| 19:40.06 | kerneld | 14:29 < fc> and for the record theres more catholics in italy and spain than in mexico |
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| 19:40.30 | fc | yes but mobbed at what bridge |
| 19:40.33 | fc | i dont get it |
| 19:40.40 | kerneld | acros the Rio Grande |
| 19:40.56 | kerneld | with people coming up to buy steros and clothes and stuff |
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| 19:41.07 | chealer | aronofsky: why are you considering RPMs instead of using APT? |
| 19:41.24 | kerneld | it is very congested in holy week |
| 19:41.44 | fc | oh yeah, you sell stereos? |
| 19:41.55 | aronofsky | chealer, because by installing openoffice by apt it installs a lot of dependencies ( like java ) and i dont want all that , i want a basic install |
| 19:41.55 | kerneld | nah, I live in a US border town |
| 19:42.15 | chealer | holden: there's probably no great method unless there are backports. you could try backporting it yourself (but I suspect that's not going to be trivial looking at the build-deps) |
| 19:42.16 | roxy_ | scam: look at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in section inputdevide for the xkblayout option |
| 19:42.21 | dvs | kerneld: Which border? |
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| 19:42.28 | fc | well, your town is more likely than not making money out of that, so deal with it |
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| 19:42.35 | scam | roxy_, its correct.. it set to type5 |
| 19:42.43 | scam | and us |
| 19:42.47 | fc | just as they deal with all the college idiots going to cancun for spring break |
| 19:42.54 | kerneld | dvs: Rio Grande |
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| 19:43.12 | chealer | aronofsky: what makes you think that installing from RPMs would avoid that while still giving you a usable OOo? |
| 19:43.16 | _ThePiratemaster | when i try to access my samba file server from windows it refuses to connect. it sais i dont have the right premissions. what can i do to make it work? |
| 19:43.28 | kerneld | fc: I should have more correctly asked, has the Mexican nationaly holiday around Semana Santa started yet |
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| 19:43.32 | _ThePiratemaster | #samba it not responding |
| 19:43.48 | aronofsky | chealer, i dont know , i just looking for a way to install oo without java deps |
| 19:43.57 | fc | its actually a worldwide holiday |
| 19:44.14 | chealer | roxy_: but is it a glib or glibc thing? |
| 19:44.16 | fc | anyway i live in wisconsin so i dont have that problem |
| 19:44.16 | Perdignus | Has anyone here patched their rc scripts to show progress in silent bootsplash themes? |
| 19:44.37 | chealer | aronofsky: OOo2 uses Java |
| 19:44.44 | Perdignus | fc where in wisconsin do you live? I'm in Shevegas |
| 19:45.01 | kerneld | fc: I have no problem with it, you are misreading my question, I am just wondering if now is a good time to vistit a doctor in Mexico, or if half of them will be closed, and I get stuck at the bridge for 3 hours |
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| 19:45.06 | fc | perdignus shevegas? im in appleton |
| 19:45.07 | aronofsky | chealer, not its not an obligation , it only for some specific functions |
| 19:45.33 | Perdignus | fc Sheboogie nights, Shear Boredom, Sheboygan |
| 19:45.54 | kerneld | fc: It may be a world wide holidya, but in Mexico it is 2 whole weeks |
| 19:46.08 | kerneld | and it is taken pretty seriously by businesses |
| 19:46.10 | fc | kerneld i know you dont, i was saying i dont have that problem cause theres obviously not that many mexicans here |
| 19:46.21 | kerneld | heh |
| 19:46.31 | fc | haha i see perdignus |
| 19:46.46 | roxy_ | chealer: the error is :*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x082f6c70 *** |
| 19:46.47 | fc | 2 weeks? i thought it was only from wed to sunday |
| 19:47.30 | kerneld | fc: The religious holidy, not the national holidy, it is longer |
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| 19:47.37 | sHerMie | hi |
| 19:47.46 | markw_ | kerneld: so are all these illegals that are flooding our borders going to stop working for 2 weeks? |
| 19:47.50 | chealer | aronofsky: OK, perhaps. so you're going to maintain OOo yourself to save what? 10 MB of disk space? |
| 19:48.23 | kerneld | markw_: I have no oppionion on that imflamtory commect except that its inflamitory |
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| 19:48.39 | chealer | roxy_: yes, but that's the typical error people affected by glib upgrade-related problems get |
| 19:48.42 | sHerMie | how can i use a wireless card usb |
| 19:48.50 | _ThePiratemaster | when i try to access my samba file server from windows it refuses to connect. it sais i dont have the right premissions. what can i do to make it work? |
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| 19:49.40 | roxy_ | chealer: I don't understand what you mean. Is my problem typical and there is nothing to do about it? |
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| 19:50.58 | markw_ | kerneld: I live by the border. I'm seeing the effects first hand. |
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| 19:51.16 | fc | markw_ yeah i see them too every time you open your mouth |
| 19:51.27 | basti_ | uhm. help. after apt-get upgrade, lots of stuff fails with gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4: undefined symbol: g_slice_alloc0 |
| 19:51.50 | kerneld | markw_: I take it you are not going to debconf |
| 19:52.04 | _ThePiratemaster | im from the netherlands... no one has to tell me anything about foreigners ruining a coutry |
| 19:52.35 | markw_ | kerneld: I tend to stay out of mexico, too many bad things happening down there. |
| 19:52.49 | basti_ | i tried manually upgrading gconf2 but that doesnt do anything |
| 19:52.50 | _ThePiratemaster | 60% of our capital is not even from this country |
| 19:52.52 | fc | thats different, the netherlands isnt made out of an immigrant population like the us is |
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| 19:52.56 | roxy_ | Is there any operator that could keep political talk out of the channel ? |
| 19:53.03 | basti_ | yes please. |
| 19:53.05 | aronofsky | chealer, that was just a question , i was just wondering if there was an archive on the site to so simple install ... that's it |
| 19:53.10 | kerneld | markw_: Grr keep yer poltics off channel |
| 19:53.20 | _ThePiratemaster | 25% of all off our population is foreign |
| 19:53.33 | basti_ | my browser isnt running because of this bug |
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| 19:53.42 | roxy_ | _ThePiratemaster: please go to #politics this is about debian |
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| 19:53.46 | chealer | roxy_: hum...I have no clue about granule. the bug reported probably affects everyone. but the question you asked was whether you were experiencing a different bug than the grave bug you mentionned. I was asking you if you knew whether the problematic upgrade was a glib or glibc one. if it's a glib one, your problem most likely affects everyone, and the best thing to do would be to hint the maintainer about glib |
| 19:54.01 | fc | yeah well the us has historically gotten immigrant waves from different countries and each new immigrant waves is made fun of by the previous one, which sounds a bit stupid |
| 19:54.11 | chealer | aronofsky: if you don't want to use the Debian way, ask #openoffice.org |
| 19:54.24 | _ThePiratemaster | well if i ask a question no ones gonna awnser it so i just might talk about saomething ppl will rely to :P |
| 19:54.36 | fc | what did you ask |
| 19:54.39 | basti_ | help, i'm getting /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4: undefined symbol: g_slice_alloc0, lots of stuff doesnt work |
| 19:54.42 | aronofsky | chealer, ok thx |
| 19:54.57 | daeos | is there a really good LLF program in linux? |
| 19:54.57 | _ThePiratemaster | when i try to access my samba file server from windows it refuses to connect. it sais i dont have the right premissions. what can i do to make it work? |
| 19:55.11 | daeos | low level format of some type? |
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| 19:55.14 | _ThePiratemaster | #sa,ba was not responding |
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| 19:55.16 | _ThePiratemaster | and it still isnt |
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| 19:55.42 | spanglesontoast | can you install selinux on debian? |
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| 19:55.47 | ekkikrist | daeos: It shouldn't be necessary to low level format. That's done at the factory. |
| 19:55.55 | chealer | spanglesontoast: yes |
| 19:56.00 | eddyp | tarzeau: much better :) |
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| 19:56.09 | roxy_ | chealer: I know the problem happen last week-end. do you know any way to know what package were upgraded between date A and date B ? |
| 19:56.12 | fc | piratemaster did you check the permissions on your server? |
| 19:56.13 | _ThePiratemaster | see no ne replies :P |
| 19:56.22 | _ThePiratemaster | i'll take that back :P |
| 19:56.24 | ekkikrist | daeos: I assume you are thinking of hard drives? or floppy formatting? |
| 19:56.34 | chealer | roxy_: since you use testing, you should have a dpkg log |
| 19:56.41 | _ThePiratemaster | how do i check the permissions of an entire server |
| 19:56.48 | eddyp | tarzeau: automounting, for one, and intergrated tools... |
| 19:56.52 | fc | i was thinking the partition, no? |
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| 19:57.17 | fc | im just talking out of my ass here cause ive never set up anything like that |
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| 19:57.41 | tarzeau | eddyp: ok |
| 19:57.42 | _ThePiratemaster | 755 on the shares directories |
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| 19:57.59 | tarzeau | eddyp: ahhh automounting? that's not the thing to do by a window manager you know |
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| 19:58.03 | eddyp | tarzeau: do you use window maker? |
| 19:58.05 | fc | brb |
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| 19:58.21 | eddyp | tarzeau: not the wm, but the DE |
| 19:58.27 | basti_ | lots of stuff don't work because of "/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4: undefined symbol: g_slice_alloc0". |
| 19:58.28 | _ThePiratemaster | k |
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| 19:58.39 | basti_ | i just did apt-get upgrade |
| 19:58.42 | basti_ | this sucks. |
| 19:58.46 | tarzeau | eddyp: yes i do. i use www.windowmaker.info |
| 19:58.51 | basti_ | lets hope i can boot tomorrow |
| 19:58.54 | tarzeau | eddyp: what wm/DE? i don't get it |
| 19:58.59 | tarzeau | i use wmaker and gnustep applications |
| 19:59.09 | basti_ | i can't use my browser, I'm restricted to w3m now |
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| 19:59.41 | eddyp | tarzeau: you said autmounting is not the wm's job; yes is the desktop environment that should do this |
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| 20:00.07 | roxy_ | chealer: say I know which package were upgraded, is there any way I can get back to last week state ? |
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| 20:00.25 | micler | I've got a question, I can't install sarge, it booted off the cd but cannot mount cd |
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| 20:01.19 | tarzeau | eddyp: no, i disagree badly on this |
| 20:01.26 | tarzeau | eddyp: because this should also work without any wm/de |
| 20:01.47 | eddyp | tarzeau: until somebody packages ivman, we are stuck |
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| 20:02.01 | chealer | roxy_: in theory, downgrading glib, but I suppose you already have upgraded several packages which will depend on the latest version |
| 20:02.15 | eddyp | tarzeau: anyway the automounting issue has problem in multiple user environments |
| 20:03.04 | roxy_ | chealer: thanks for your help. I need some sleep, I'll try tomorrow . |
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| 20:03.36 | micler | I can't install sarge, it boots from cd and then says it can't mount the cd |
| 20:03.57 | chealer | roxy_: OK. can I count on you for mentionning in the bug report that this is probably a glib issue? |
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| 20:05.44 | micler | Can anyone help? |
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| 20:06.26 | roxy_ | chealer: I actually wrote to the granule maintener because I couldn't manage to add anything to the bug report(using jira would be nice :-) . How do I add stuff to bug report ? |
| 20:07.07 | chealer | roxy_: jira? you click on the bug number and send a mail |
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| 20:07.30 | foo | . |
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| 20:09.10 | daeos | im trying to find out why apache2 says on restart that it can't detect my host name and so it uses 127.0.0.1 .... where would i specify the correct name? |
| 20:09.24 | roxy_ | chealer: I am mainly a java programmer, jira is free for open source project bug tracking (used a log by codehaus projects)http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ . I'll ask in here if I can't add to bug report again ;-) |
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| 20:10.04 | roxy_ | s/log/lot |
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| 20:10.04 | roxy_ | gn |
| 20:10.04 | foo | http://pastebin.com/650107 - any ideas on this apt-get problem? |
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| 20:10.49 | chealer | roxy_: OK, well you'd better sleep than discuss changing Debian's BTS indeed |
| 20:10.56 | Shadowcat | bah |
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| 20:11.27 | Shadowcat | I feel like strangling the tasksel coder |
| 20:11.32 | chealer | foo: which release do you use? |
| 20:11.39 | __honky | foo: apt-get remove manpages-dev for now |
| 20:11.41 | foo | chealer: unstable |
| 20:11.42 | Shadowcat | why did they take away the option to manually select packages? |
| 20:11.49 | chealer | foo: see the BTS |
| 20:11.56 | __honky | chealer: he probably uses unstable |
| 20:11.56 | foo | chealer: What is BTS? |
| 20:12.07 | chealer | !tell foo about bts |
| 20:12.14 | unstable | I have these cdrws, and when I put them in my toshiba cdrw drive, and use gnomebaker to blank them, gnomebaker tells me something about manufacturer label, and it can't tell what it is. And then it starts trying to blank it and freezes. |
| 20:12.17 | foo | Ah, thanks |
| 20:12.25 | Alam_Debian | is there any GUI to patch? is hard to patch a big diff when i can't see what wrong with the changes... |
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| 20:12.54 | Luka666 | ellow |
| 20:13.08 | Blissex | Alam_Debian: there are several... |
| 20:13.20 | Blissex | Alam_Debian: look for a graphical merge too. |
| 20:13.22 | Luka666 | whats wrong with a machine if the network cards (MAC?) HW address keeps changing |
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| 20:13.36 | Luka666 | ? |
| 20:14.10 | Blissex | Luka666: the card is probably broken... |
| 20:14.25 | Luka666 | :/ |
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| 20:14.34 | daeos | ekkikrist: i have a 200GB hard drive that just lost its partition that had windows on it and i needed to recover it. |
| 20:14.46 | Luka666 | any other ideas (system problem or anything)? |
| 20:14.51 | unstable | pryzbyj: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rcPZu520.html |
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| 20:15.28 | daeos | ekkikrist: the drive that is, because the HDD won't pick up in windows anymore and linux won't even attempt to format it |
| 20:15.30 | holden | has anyone installed lighttpd 1.4.11 on stable from backports.org? |
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| 20:15.47 | holden | im having trouble starting the server after the installation |
| 20:15.54 | ekkikrist | daeos: Have you saved the partition table? |
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| 20:16.12 | Luka666 | Blissex: the owner just said he got a new motherboard and first of all tweaked the bios. could this be it? |
| 20:16.19 | Blissex | daeos: look for the tool called 'gpart' |
| 20:16.26 | ekkikrist | yeah |
| 20:16.30 | ekkikrist | that's a good suggestion. |
| 20:16.44 | Blissex | Luka666: Hardly, but depends on how overclocked/extreme the BIOS tweak was... |
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| 20:17.03 | Luka666 | its an onboard card.... |
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| 20:17.25 | daeos | ekkikrist; Blissex; i havn't save the table, i don't care about the data on it, i just need to be able to recover the drive to be able to use it again |
| 20:17.36 | ekkikrist | OH :) |
| 20:17.53 | ekkikrist | daeos: Yes this happens sometimes... I have a motherboard that hangs on screwy drives. |
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| 20:18.03 | ekkikrist | daeos: nuke the partition table with dd |
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| 20:18.16 | sambrista | Hi! How can i have a script being executed at boot? I know it has to do with /etc/init.d/ and so but i'm not sure |
| 20:18.23 | ekkikrist | daeos: needless to say be careful.. triple check the device and make sure it is the correct one. |
| 20:18.38 | Luka666 | thx, bye |
| 20:18.51 | daeos | oh of course! |
| 20:18.56 | chealer | sambrista: it has to do with that, indeed. did you check /etc/init.d/README? |
| 20:19.10 | daeos | i'll probably use something like a live cd of knoppix to do it if knoppix had the tools |
| 20:19.12 | olemikal | anyone knows any good system monitors like conky?? |
| 20:19.12 | sambrista | chealer: nope, i did't know that it existed |
| 20:19.26 | ekkikrist | daeos: That will work. all you need is dd |
| 20:19.59 | daeos | ekkikrist: and what does dd do anyways? |
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| 20:20.39 | chealer | sambrista: it would probably answer your question |
| 20:20.54 | ekkikrist | daeos: It just copies stuff from a file or device to another file or device, stupidly and dangerously and without warnings |
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| 20:21.11 | daeos | ... |
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| 20:21.25 | daeos | ekkikrist: i just want to be able to format it not copy the junk on it |
| 20:21.51 | __honky | daeos: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/YOURHD bs=512 count=1 |
| 20:21.59 | ekkikrist | daeos: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdX bs=1k count=512 |
| 20:22.10 | ekkikrist | either way |
| 20:22.17 | daeos | for a 200GB HDD ? |
| 20:22.19 | ekkikrist | daeos: You are copying "nothing" do the drive |
| 20:22.24 | daeos | ah |
| 20:22.26 | daeos | of course |
| 20:22.27 | daeos | null |
| 20:22.29 | __honky | only mbr |
| 20:22.29 | ekkikrist | yep, you only need to fix the partition table so you can re-use it. |
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| 20:22.36 | ekkikrist | not teh entire drive... |
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| 20:22.54 | ekkikrist | and by fix I mean irrecoverably wipe out |
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| 20:23.15 | daeos | so bs=512 count=1 or bs=1024 count=512 ? |
| 20:23.19 | ekkikrist | then you can just make a new partition table and make filesystems |
| 20:23.27 | __honky | either works |
| 20:23.36 | ekkikrist | bs=512 count=1 is "enough" |
| 20:24.33 | daeos | enough? lol ok |
| 20:24.34 | daeos | good |
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| 20:25.00 | daeos | 512 bytes i guess is what its gonna write |
| 20:25.07 | ekkikrist | yep |
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| 20:26.11 | daeos | so once something is written to it, ok good, so if debian detected it but would not write to it during install this should work? good i hope so, 200GB HDD is something i'd rather not have to chunk in the trash |
| 20:26.19 | _charly_ | hi, i have a memory leak problem with my firefox and galeon on sid. they both eat up my memory, galeon is currently at about 600MB, and firefox about 300MB. is there an already known problem with that? |
| 20:27.01 | ekkikrist | daeos: probably debian did not recognize any usable partition table. Start "new" without one. |
| 20:27.03 | ribnitz | deos: what was the question? |
| 20:27.15 | __honky | daeos: never mind, you can't trash hd by writing to it :) |
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| 20:28.13 | daeos | ribnitz: well, after my windows partition died last week, i've been thinking of ways to recover it, and when trying to reinstall any OS on that drive, both windows xp and debian refused to use it. |
| 20:28.16 | ribnitz | deos: A trashed hdd usually shows Drive Ready, Seek complete errors (in the IDE/SCSI interface) |
| 20:28.36 | daeos | and when i say died, i mean "GONE" |
| 20:28.44 | __honky | daeos: what do you mean by refused to use it |
| 20:28.45 | ribnitz | daeos: what do you mean by "died"? |
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| 20:29.12 | daeos | refused as in, i could not select it in the partioning tool |
| 20:29.20 | daeos | i have 2 hdd in my pc |
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| 20:29.27 | simonrvn | http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/060417fa_fact |
| 20:29.27 | daeos | and the tool would only use my second hdd |
| 20:29.30 | xavier_ | lu |
| 20:29.39 | xavier_ | hi |
| 20:29.42 | simonrvn | </ot> |
| 20:29.42 | daeos | and read the partioning info on it |
| 20:29.46 | ribnitz | deos: is it showing up in the bios ok? |
| 20:29.53 | daeos | yep |
| 20:29.57 | __honky | daeos: does a booting linux kernel "see" the hd |
| 20:29.58 | daeos | ribnitz: perfectly |
| 20:30.08 | daeos | __honky: yes it does |
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| 20:30.31 | ribnitz | daeos: how did it "die"? |
| 20:30.39 | __honky | daeos: can you do fdisk /dev/hdX on it? |
| 20:31.03 | daeos | __honky: fdisk would not work on it |
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| 20:31.20 | pinucset | is there some project to develop 3d support in nvidia free drivers? |
| 20:31.26 | __honky | daeos: does it still not work after you wiped the mbr |
| 20:31.30 | daeos | ribnitz: while it was running grub told me lost contact to it, after reboot, grub failed to load |
| 20:31.34 | foo | How does the kernel headers different from kernel source? I don't think I have kernerl headers installed for 2.6.15 |
| 20:31.48 | daeos | __honky: i couldn't even do that |
| 20:32.12 | ribnitz | daeos: interface failed? - but then it wouldnt be recognised in bios. |
| 20:32.19 | __honky | daeos: then hd is ready for trash bin imho |
| 20:32.23 | chealer | pinucset: ask #nvidia |
| 20:32.27 | daeos | lol |
| 20:32.29 | ribnitz | daeos: have you run one of those hw detection tools the vendors ship? |
| 20:32.31 | daeos | only 2 years old too |
| 20:32.49 | daeos | its a stock machine so i don't have oem tools, i could find some though |
| 20:32.56 | ribnitz | __honky: they make good paperweighs |
| 20:32.59 | daeos | i'll try that first |
| 20:33.00 | chealer | foo: the headers are essentially much smaller |
| 20:33.16 | daeos | i'll try a LLF with an OEM disk |
| 20:33.17 | __honky | ribnitz: correct. i just happen to have too many |
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| 20:33.28 | ribnitz | daeos: Maxtor, Fujitsu-siemens, hgst all have specialised detection tools. |
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| 20:33.39 | daeos | i forget the name of it |
| 20:33.52 | foo | chealer: If I got the source, do I still need the headers? Hmm |
| 20:33.54 | ribnitz | daeos: what make is it? |
| 20:34.03 | daeos | ribnitz: it came in a compaq pc |
| 20:34.08 | daeos | a 1050nz |
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| 20:34.18 | ribnitz | daeos: what does it show up as? |
| 20:34.28 | chealer | foo: I don't know |
| 20:34.38 | __honky | daeos: what ident string is the kernel showing |
| 20:34.40 | daeos | im not at home so i can't tell ya |
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| 20:34.48 | [sr] | hi people |
| 20:34.55 | [sr] | is there a channel for x server? |
| 20:35.04 | [sr] | i can't execute the /list command to find it |
| 20:35.04 | [sr] | :p |
| 20:35.13 | __honky | daeos: LLF might be worth a try |
| 20:35.45 | __honky | daeos: does the hd make usual / unusual noises btw? |
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| 20:36.18 | ribnitz | What is the benefit of a RAID5 (sw) over a RAID1 (sw) whern using only 3 disks? |
| 20:36.37 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: RAID 5 offers more space |
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| 20:37.23 | daeos | __honky: it keys up like normally |
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| 20:37.43 | g3brown | I want to backup about 15GB of photos every couple of weeks to a usb hd. Currently I backup data files to the same drive with a perl tar zip script and keep about 30 days separate backups. What would the best way to backup the photos be? rsync? just use my perl tar script? |
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| 20:37.58 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: and not sure how you'd RAID1 on 3 disks |
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| 20:38.05 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: With RAID1 you need 2x300G for 300G usable. With RAID5 its 3x300G, with 2x300G usable. |
| 20:38.47 | hatory | how i use a newsreader to see debian mailing list ?? |
| 20:38.52 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: you have 3 disks or 2 |
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| 20:39.15 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: I am in the planning phase. right now I have no disks. |
| 20:39.31 | daeos | would it be possible to setup raid after an install? |
| 20:39.39 | ribnitz | daeos: yep. |
| 20:39.41 | __honky | daeos: yes, np |
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| 20:39.51 | daeos | good |
| 20:39.56 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: ah ok - that's not what you said. Personally I'd do RAID5 |
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| 20:40.14 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: Me too... |
| 20:40.19 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: preferably on at least 2 different controllers |
| 20:40.23 | __honky | Is RAID5 fully redundant? |
| 20:40.31 | Stevie | define 'fully redundant' ? |
| 20:40.37 | ribnitz | __honky: It allows the bfailure of 1 disk. |
| 20:40.38 | g3brown | ribnitz: raid5 allows you to use more than 2 drives. |
| 20:40.41 | SpyderMan | __honky: for single disk failure it allows recovery |
| 20:40.51 | __honky | I mean, do you lose everything with one disk that dies? |
| 20:41.03 | SpyderMan | __honky: no- that's the point |
| 20:41.06 | g3brown | ribnitz: I would not use software raid either. |
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| 20:41.16 | Stevie | if exactly one disk dies, as soon as you replace it, you're back in business |
| 20:41.16 | daeos | you have to have a raid controller for it to work right? im using an old gateway 2000 board i'll have to see if it has raid built in, but you do need hardware support right? |
| 20:41.17 | ribnitz | g3brown: the min setup is 3 disks. (2 data, 1 parity, though parity sdistributed). |
| 20:41.29 | Stevie | for raid5, you can use sofware raid |
| 20:41.34 | SpyderMan | Stevie: as soon as you replace it you are rebuilding the array :) |
| 20:41.37 | [machine] | w |
| 20:41.45 | ribnitz | daeos: there is software raid. |
| 20:42.00 | __honky | daeos: no need for raid controller |
| 20:42.04 | g3brown | ribnitz: yeah, You said what is the advantage of raid5 of raid1. That is it. |
| 20:42.12 | Stevie | raid 0+1 has its advantages |
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| 20:42.16 | Stevie | if you can spare the disks |
| 20:42.31 | __honky | big if imho |
| 20:42.35 | SpyderMan | to be honest ideal is a proper RAID5 array with one hot spare without getting into sill budgets - but if ti's for a home PC possibly overkill |
| 20:42.47 | SpyderMan | s/sill/silly |
| 20:42.55 | ribnitz | g3brown: Suppose I run with 34 disks, and run out of space, I can plug in a 4ths with raid5. with raid1 i cant. |
| 20:42.56 | daeos | would software raid support mixed HDD sizes? |
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| 20:43.07 | Stevie | 34 disks? |
| 20:43.15 | g3brown | ribnitz: with raid1 you can only have 2 disks |
| 20:43.16 | SpyderMan | Stevie: RAID0+1 is a bit pointless IMHO |
| 20:43.22 | Stevie | SpyderMan: How so? |
| 20:43.31 | Stevie | SpyderMan: It can sustain multiple disk failures |
| 20:43.33 | ACU_01 | Can anyone tell me HOW to HIBERNATE from KDE 3.4 |
| 20:43.44 | jubo1 | anybody know how to get postfix to log the sql plugin stuff. I am trying to do sasl auth with it, and I can't tell where things are going wrong |
| 20:43.48 | Blissex | SpyderMan: as to RAID5 consider reading http://WWW.BAARF.com/ for _compelling_ arguments |
| 20:43.50 | ribnitz | daeos: idea is that the disks are aporx same size (except for raid0) |
| 20:43.56 | SpyderMan | Stevie: so can RAID5 + hotspares |
| 20:44.07 | daeos | so a 20 and an 8 won't work then |
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| 20:44.13 | __honky | ACU_01: echo disk > /sys/power/state |
| 20:44.17 | Stevie | SpyderMan: hotspares? |
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| 20:44.37 | Blissex | daeos: a 20 and an 8 can be concatenated... |
| 20:44.51 | Blissex | daeos: or you can RAID the first 8 of the 20 and the whole of the 8. |
| 20:44.52 | Alam_Debian | i found tailor and xxdiff for GUI patch, i also saw kdiff, but i don't want KDE lib on my system, anyother GUI for patch? |
| 20:45.03 | Blissex | daeos: you can RAID by partition... |
| 20:45.15 | daeos | ah |
| 20:45.16 | daeos | i see |
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| 20:45.21 | Stevie | lmao |
| 20:45.24 | daeos | my 20 is 1 partition |
| 20:45.25 | Blissex | Alam_Debian: Emacs/XEmacs and many editors have powerful merge modes. |
| 20:45.26 | Stevie | battle against any raid? |
| 20:45.31 | SpyderMan | Stevie: yes generally proper disk arrays allow some disks to be set up as dynamically switchable hotspares so the array will start rebuild as soon as a disk fails |
| 20:45.50 | SpyderMan | Stevie: it's all a question of how much money you're willing to put up to keeping your data online |
| 20:45.55 | Covener | Althaser: vim-gtk has gvimdiff |
| 20:46.02 | Covener | Alam_Debian: ^^ |
| 20:46.06 | Althaser | ;) |
| 20:46.08 | Alam_Debian | hmmm |
| 20:46.11 | Alam_Debian | vim good... |
| 20:46.35 | Stevie | SpyderMan: just gotta hope that a mfg problem don't kill two drives at once |
| 20:46.38 | Covener | Alam_Debian: kde has 'kompare' as well, but of course requires the libs -- but it has a pretty slick display |
| 20:46.53 | SpyderMan | Where I work on Wintel boxes we use RAID1 on C: and RAID 5 on apps drive, we use mirroring on the UNIX system partitions, and the rest are on SAN |
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| 20:47.18 | Stevie | (the second one while recovering from the first one |
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| 20:47.20 | Stevie | ) |
| 20:47.21 | SpyderMan | Stevie: yeah - but how many disks for how much storage do you need to protect against that |
| 20:47.46 | basti_ | I've got a whole load of dependency problems around libgnome2 |
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| 20:48.00 | daeos | Blissex: so what would be a good way to add a 8GB hdd and use RAID on a 20GB thats 1 partition? repartition the 20GB? |
| 20:48.04 | unix_infidel | how do i get beep-media player to not show that line in the playlist? |
| 20:48.04 | ACU_01 | _honky ---- THANKS -- it seem that it tells me permission denied --- even if I place sudo in front of echo --- it does not prompt me for password ---- is any graphic interface for hibernate |
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| 20:48.20 | boguh | how can i add .ttf fonts? |
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| 20:48.29 | SpyderMan | and RAID5+ one hotspare gives you a chance its the hotspare that's taken out with one array drive and you survive :) |
| 20:48.43 | Blissex | daeos: repartition the 20GB HD.... |
| 20:48.44 | Covener | boguh: if your application links to fontconfig, drop them in ~/.fonts/ |
| 20:48.58 | Blissex | daeos: becase a 20+8 concat is not at all redundant... |
| 20:49.19 | mon | after OS reinstall i'm trying to activate my lvm volume again. but /dev/lvm/ doesn't exist yet, how do i get it back? |
| 20:49.22 | Blissex | boguh: adding fonts is very,very complicated. |
| 20:49.23 | __honky | ACU_01: not that I know of. you want suspend working from the console first anyway |
| 20:49.32 | boguh | Blissex and why? |
| 20:49.40 | Blissex | boguh: your best bet is to use prepackaged TTF fonts from Debian only. |
| 20:49.41 | js_ | mon: pvscan; vgscan; lvscan; vgchange -a y # or so |
| 20:49.59 | mon | js_: the scan thingie does find it, but i still don't have a device |
| 20:50.05 | ACU_01 | _honky --- it seem that I have to install Hibernate from synaptic first --- I just did it |
| 20:50.16 | js_ | mon: did you activate it with vgchange -a y? |
| 20:50.17 | Blissex | boguh: it is very complicated because there are several different fontsystems used by difference programs and as a rule the configuration files for these fontsystems are hbideous. |
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| 20:50.44 | boguh | Blissex but i dont have them as a deb, i only need them in xmms |
| 20:50.52 | mon | js_: according to vgchange --help there is no "-a" argument? |
| 20:51.23 | Blissex | boguh: well, depends whether your XMMS uses the FontConfig or X11 font system... |
| 20:51.27 | js_ | mon: "{-a|--available [e|l]{y|n}" |
| 20:51.32 | mon | js_: k |
| 20:51.36 | boguh | Blissex i dont know |
| 20:51.41 | js_ | mon: did you type it? did you read the man page? |
| 20:51.43 | daeos | Blissex: so i might want to resize the 1 (20GB) part and make some smart choices like where /var/www is located and make that redundunt, possible 2GB to 4GB worth and use half of the 8 to back it up and the other half to support possibly the /home path with 4GB and the other leftover of the 8GB ? |
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| 20:52.05 | mon | js_: device-mapper is missing.. |
| 20:52.19 | daeos | in order to preserver my website and my users email ? |
| 20:52.21 | Blissex | daeos: my usual rule about partitions is to have just '/', swap and '/home' as distinct partitions. |
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| 20:52.26 | js_ | mon: what kernel are you running? |
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| 20:52.39 | mon | js_: 2.6.something |
| 20:52.44 | Blissex | daeos: then I usually configure a directory under '/home |
| 20:52.56 | js_ | mon: if it's a debian kernel, devmapper is included |
| 20:53.02 | Blissex | daeos: then I usually configure a directory under '/home' to be the WWW site, rather than the default '/var/www'. |
| 20:53.16 | js_ | mon: and the lvm/lvm2 packages should be sufficient |
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| 20:53.31 | mon | js_: yeah i've got those installed |
| 20:53.36 | SpyderMan | Blissex: thanks for that link. Interesting. Real world issues are a little brushed aside, since on arrays I am willing to pay for redundancy I will not allow to run for any significant length of time without changing a failed drive. but still, interesting |
| 20:53.50 | daeos | Blissex: true but any extra programs that i've installed default to install in /var/www and link themselves there for website apps lik phpsyinfo and sqwebmail |
| 20:54.11 | basti_ | can i somehow FORCE package removal? as in, ignoring every error? |
| 20:54.15 | Blissex | daeos: '/var/www' can be a symlink... |
| 20:54.16 | js_ | mon: you pick one of them. and actually it's lvm10, not lvm |
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| 20:54.18 | mon | js_: then i /etc/init.d/lvm2 restart which takes a while, but no /etc/lvm/ dir, there is a /etc/lvm device though |
| 20:54.26 | basti_ | instead of ignoring a few rare errors and then deadlocking? |
| 20:54.30 | tarzeau | can i generate textures using some command line tool? |
| 20:54.31 | Blissex | SpyderMan: the problem really is multiple drive failure... |
| 20:54.36 | mon | js_: well i've got lvm2, that's for sure :) |
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| 20:54.50 | js_ | mon: paste the error you're getting somewhere |
| 20:55.01 | Blissex | daeos: However it depends on whether you need backup or continuity... |
| 20:55.01 | SpyderMan | Blissex: yes - I'd look at RAID10 but you're stillhedging your bets |
| 20:55.20 | js_ | mon: do you mean a /dev/lvm dir? the name of /dev/<dir> is the same as the volume group name |
| 20:55.21 | Blissex | SpyderMan: RAID10 is about as good as it gets, unfortunately... |
| 20:55.47 | js_ | mon: look inside /dev/mapper, where should be a /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname in there, if it's active |
| 20:55.50 | Blissex | SpyderMan: and multiple drive failures are actually fairly common, in part because RAID manufacturers are MORONSD |
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| 20:55.54 | mon | js_: yeah i know where it's supposed to be, but the lvm dir isn't there. instead just a lvm device |
| 20:55.55 | js_ | s/where/there/ |
| 20:55.59 | basti_ | please? |
| 20:56.05 | Blissex | SpyderMan: and multiple drive failures are actually fairly common, in part because (most) RAID manufacturers are HUGE MORONS |
| 20:56.10 | mon | js_: no /dev/mapper... |
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| 20:56.37 | pipeline | Blissex, SpyderMan : Had you folks considered trying the experimental software RAID-6 support? |
| 20:56.38 | mon | js_: though right now i've booted from the install cd and chrooted into the installation because it won't boot |
| 20:56.50 | pipeline | Blissex, SpyderMan : It's not significantly slower than RAID-5 under normal conditions, but goes to hell when it fails. |
| 20:56.53 | js_ | mon: why won't it boot? |
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| 20:57.00 | pipeline | Blissex, SpyderMan : It does, however, allow you to have more than one drive failure |
| 20:57.15 | basti_ | is there a way of forcing dpkg more than with --force-all` |
| 20:57.16 | basti_ | ? |
| 20:57.16 | SpyderMan | Blissex: agreed - and to be honest I'd probably go for it if I was re-engineering from scratch. In the mean time with over 100 servers and 5 years, practically all the big downtime is controller failures not multiple disk (TBH can't think of one multiple disk failure, but my meory ain't what it used to be....) |
| 20:57.18 | mon | js_: don't know.. hardware raid isn't initialized i guess... worked before with Sarge |
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| 20:57.26 | basti_ | i can't load my browser, i can't go back and forth with the problem |
| 20:57.32 | basti_ | i don't know if my system will boot the next time |
| 20:57.41 | mon | js_: but with the install cd kernel it "just works" |
| 20:57.42 | basti_ | (or give a gui, if it does) |
| 20:57.48 | Blissex | pipeline: but RAID-6 is just RAID5 with some more redundancy. The cost during array rebuild is still huge. |
| 20:57.50 | basti_ | i'm slightly nervous |
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| 20:57.56 | js_ | mon: it worked before what? |
| 20:58.03 | mon | js_: before i reinstalled |
| 20:58.13 | pipeline | Blissex: Yes. It's even more huge. But that's OK. |
| 20:58.17 | mon | js_: not sure what i did then to make it work... if anything |
| 20:58.20 | Blissex | pipeline: also, suppose you have a 4+2 drive RAID-6, and compare the cost and speed/resilience with a 2+2+2+2 RAID10 |
| 20:58.22 | pipeline | Blissex: Rebuilding the array is still faster than restoring from backup :P |
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| 20:58.47 | pipeline | Blissex: Heh, the problem with RAID-1 is electrical costs. |
| 20:58.57 | js_ | mon: do you use real hardware raid? |
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| 20:59.14 | Blissex | pipeline: but the time to rebuild has a big big issue: while rebuilding, the array is very vulnerable... |
| 20:59.14 | pipeline | Blissex: It's the same reason you're starting to see big boxes of IDE disks in datacenters, and the rise of 73+ GB SCSI drives. Nobody wants to pay the electrical bill for 9G, full-height drives |
| 20:59.30 | mon | js_: yeah compaq: sym53c8xx |
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| 20:59.33 | Blissex | pipeline: there are now 2.5" drive RAID p;roducts... |
| 20:59.35 | SpyderMan | pipeline: TBH if you want more than RAID5 or 10 you should probably look at SANs anyway - which offer all sorts of interesting choices for handling failure |
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| 21:00.05 | js_ | mon: the module for the raid card needs to be in the initrd image |
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| 21:00.15 | pipeline | Blissex: Another issue: RAID-6 allows any two drives to fail. RAID10, you're hoping that the *right* drives fail, at which point you might as well be doing striping across RAID-5 arrays. |
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| 21:00.37 | piper14 | hi all, i from in argentine.. |
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| 21:00.40 | mon | js_: but i guess it should be there because with the previous install i didn't make my own kernel, just apt-got the 2.6-smp one |
| 21:00.44 | pipeline | piper14: tried #debian-es ? |
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| 21:01.12 | js_ | mon: does it work with the kernel the system installs on? |
| 21:01.25 | mon | js_: funny thing is, the 2.6 non-smp from the cd makes it work, the 2.6 smp which is installed doesn't |
| 21:01.51 | piper14 | pipeline, yes, i know speak in english. ;) |
| 21:01.59 | js_ | mon: try and make your own initrd image with the modules you need |
| 21:02.10 | miri222 | hi, I have trouble with the netinstall of debian sarge 3.1 - it's working until the usb devices - then everything stops... ??? |
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| 21:02.49 | mon | js_: is there a way to check which modules are in the current initrd? |
| 21:02.59 | ryepup_ | I'm having a problem with a new install, and am new to debian and linux, my console is constantly spitting a message: "ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.0: wakeup", maybe 2 a second |
| 21:03.05 | scam | miri222, i dunno if you can do this but.. boot -nonusb |
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| 21:03.08 | pipeline | ryepup_: broken hardware :\ |
| 21:03.10 | scam | or nousb |
| 21:03.18 | ryepup_ | is there a way to disable usb? |
| 21:03.43 | ryepup_ | I'll google |
| 21:03.48 | pipeline | ryepup_: You probably have to do it in the BIOS |
| 21:03.53 | miri222 | scam: hi, this is my first experience with debian... where can I enter boot - nonusb ?? |
| 21:03.57 | daeos | Blissex: would RAID allow for 1 virtual HDD ? like a 20 + 8 + ? = 1 HDD ? |
| 21:04.07 | ryepup_ | pipeline: thank you, I'll give that a shot |
| 21:04.13 | pipeline | daeos: No, that's something LVM does. |
| 21:04.23 | pipeline | daeos: RAID is just RAID. |
| 21:04.25 | daeos | LVM ? ok |
| 21:04.30 | pipeline | daeos: Usually, you'll have LVM volumes on top of RAID |
| 21:04.36 | daeos | ok |
| 21:04.48 | js_ | mon: i'm not sure.. perhaps if you uncompress it somehow |
| 21:04.58 | mon | js_: oh and i used lilo before and now grub, but that shouldn't matter i hope? |
| 21:05.22 | js_ | mon: it might matter, what kind of raid do you use? |
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| 21:05.41 | mon | js_: 0 |
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| 21:05.58 | mon | js_: does that matter? |
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| 21:06.19 | js_ | mon: afaik grub has a problem booting some raid levels, like 5. i have no idea how it handles raid cards.. you should try lilo again |
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| 21:06.37 | mon | js_: hm i was afraid of hearing that.. |
| 21:06.37 | foo | Hmm, where can I find the linux-headers-2.6.15 package? Hmm. |
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| 21:07.42 | Yan^ | Hello people, I am trying to install xserver in a fresh sarge installation. does not work. Can anybody help? |
| 21:08.09 | scam | yan what doesnt work? |
| 21:08.19 | Coweater | install x-window-system |
| 21:08.19 | scam | whats the error |
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| 21:08.39 | scam | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:08.44 | wamty | I'm trying to zip a bunch of web directories on my own VPS without also zipping unnecessary information. But, I can't figure out the syntax. Here is the gist of what I want to do: "zip -rv */public_html/* sites.zip |
| 21:08.48 | wamty | Any suggestions? |
| 21:08.54 | UncleSkunk | dont need to do x-window-system-core? |
| 21:09.10 | azeem | UncleSkunk: you can do either |
| 21:09.17 | UncleSkunk | oh |
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| 21:09.55 | ryepup_ | pipeline: that did the trick, thanks |
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| 21:10.46 | foo | Hmm, where can I find the linux-headers-2.6.15 package? Hmm. I checked http://packages.debian.org/ - no luck. I am on unstable and apt-cache search linux-headers| grep 2.6.15 returns nothing. blah |
| 21:11.00 | Yan^ | scam: i did install xwindow system and it worked. afterwards there is no graphical display at the command X there is a bad display which disaooears |
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| 21:11.40 | scam | yan install gnome |
| 21:11.45 | scam | or something |
| 21:11.49 | scam | did you do that? |
| 21:11.53 | Yan^ | scam: gnome has the same effect |
| 21:11.56 | Yan^ | sure |
| 21:12.01 | Yan^ | i tried also kde |
| 21:12.06 | Aim_Here | You tried configuring x with xorgconfig or xorgcfg? |
| 21:12.29 | scam | theres an error somewhere |
| 21:12.33 | scam | it just wouldnt die |
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| 21:13.01 | Yan^ | Aim: i thought xorg in not sarge? i tried install xserver-xorg, ther is no such package |
| 21:13.14 | Yan^ | scam: you are right there is an error |
| 21:13.15 | Aim_Here | In that case xf86config or xf86cfg |
| 21:13.20 | gnu2it2 | is there a way to poll a nfs server to see what it is exporting ? |
| 21:13.33 | Yan^ | Aim: ok i will try this |
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| 21:13.38 | chealer | foo: there is no linux-headers-2.6.15 package in unstable. you should probably start by reinstalling Debian stable or testing. unstable is only a sane choice for people who know Debian very well |
| 21:13.48 | scam | Yan^, whats the error? |
| 21:13.56 | buu | Hrm. Anyone have any suggestions of a program that will do a better job of copying a cd than dd? |
| 21:14.10 | Yan^ | scam: this is what i am asking for |
| 21:14.12 | foo | chealer: hmm, ok |
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| 21:14.29 | scam | we cant help if we dont the error |
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| 21:14.43 | scam | there can 1000 of reason why its doing that |
| 21:15.27 | tarzeau | buu: readcd |
| 21:15.32 | Yan^ | wait i am trying xf86cofig |
| 21:15.33 | tarzeau | buu: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 21:15.37 | buu | tarzeau: Hrm. Ok. |
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| 21:17.17 | comex | I'm getting "VFS: Cannot open root device "hdb6" or unknown-block(0,0)" on boot. Right before that is "FATAL: kernel too old". |
| 21:17.21 | buu | tarzeau: readcd: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver. =/ |
| 21:17.45 | tarzeau | buu: well, cdrecord -scanbus says what? |
| 21:17.46 | daeos | im trying to find out why apache2 says on restart that it can't detect my host name and so it uses 127.0.0.1 .... where would i specify the correct name? |
| 21:17.51 | tarzeau | buu: which kernel? just use graveman |
| 21:17.52 | buu | tarzeau: It says that. |
| 21:18.01 | tarzeau | buu: use graveman, or read the manual page |
| 21:18.14 | scam | daeos, in the config file for apache |
| 21:18.19 | buu | tarzeau: Blah. I can't use.. oh wait |
| 21:18.21 | buu | I do have x |
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| 21:19.09 | Aim_Here | I just added 1 gig RAM to my computer, but I had to recompile my kernel just to set |
| 21:19.09 | Aim_Here | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y so it would see ram higher than the 1 gig mark. Now it won't see my cdrom drives for no apparent reason. I get mount: /dev/hda is not a valid block device'. dmesg doesn't show anything untoward. All the relevant drivers n'stuff look like they're there either in the kernel or compiled as modules. It's not a physical fault.Any ideas? |
| 21:19.14 | Yan^ | scam, Aim: I have done xf86conf, the result is: Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 21:19.20 | daeos | scam: i didn't find it in the apach2.conf file |
| 21:19.53 | Yan^ | There are more rerror messages I can give more of them |
| 21:20.18 | scam | Yan^, your config file is wrong |
| 21:20.25 | scam | maybe wrong video card |
| 21:20.31 | Yan^ | (by the way I already tried to reconfigure the xserver many times and it failed. |
| 21:20.45 | Yan^ | Maybe my card is not supported? |
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| 21:20.51 | Slaughter | hi gents |
| 21:20.54 | Yan^ | this is ASUS Radeon 9200 SE |
| 21:21.00 | scam | Yan^, i had to to my video card about 400 times before i got it to work correctly |
| 21:21.19 | scam | Yan^, i think theres drivers for that card |
| 21:21.21 | stew | Aim_Here: what cpu do you have? the all the debian 2.6 kenrels other than the -386 kernel have himem support already |
| 21:21.21 | Slaughter | i find a open proyect like pastebin.com to upload a personal web |
| 21:21.22 | scam | i dont use ati |
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| 21:21.47 | Yan^ | scam: do you think I need drivers? |
| 21:21.47 | stew | Yan^: there is excellent support for that card with the free drivers |
| 21:21.50 | Aim_Here | Oh, Athlon 3000 XP |
| 21:21.54 | scam | you shouldnt |
| 21:21.59 | Yan^ | stew: how do you know? where is it |
| 21:22.04 | scam | but for 3d support you will |
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| 21:22.10 | stew | scam: no |
| 21:22.16 | Tarantulafudge | whats the difference between sendmail and sendmail-bin? |
| 21:22.18 | Aim_Here | I undid the himem support when customising my kernel, so I had to uncustomise that part |
| 21:22.29 | stew | Aim_Here: what version of debian |
| 21:22.29 | basti_ | i keep having problems: there's packages (libgnome2-0 and a few others) that i can't remove nor use. |
| 21:22.33 | scam | stew, i had to have drivers for 3d support on my card |
| 21:22.38 | basti_ | now i can't go gack and forth. |
| 21:22.41 | Aim_Here | Sid/unstable |
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| 21:22.51 | basti_ | i tried various tools to get rid of the packages or to upgrade them |
| 21:22.52 | Yan^ | scam, stew: I do not waht 3d for the monent, just the simplest X |
| 21:23.03 | stew | scam: the free drivers support 3d for ati cards up to 9250 |
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| 21:23.08 | spanglesontoast | anyone know much about bitlebee |
| 21:23.11 | spanglesontoast | on debian? |
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| 21:23.13 | Yan^ | stew: where are they?? |
| 21:23.13 | Aim_Here | I've just run a diff on the config files and for some reason there are some HD_IDE options that changed somehow, so that might explain it |
| 21:23.17 | g1powermac | Hi All |
| 21:23.20 | stew | Yan^: what version of debian? |
| 21:23.21 | Aim_Here | So sorry to waste anyone's time |
| 21:23.25 | Yan^ | stew: sarge |
| 21:23.27 | basti_ | this is very inconvinent |
| 21:23.27 | azeem | spanglesontoast: just ask your question, maybe somebody knows |
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| 21:23.40 | basti_ | I'd be looking for a possibility to radically ignore these packages |
| 21:23.45 | stew | Yan^: they are part of the xserver-xfree86 package |
| 21:23.49 | spanglesontoast | well just wondering I install it with apt-get and it doesn't want to run as a local user |
| 21:23.50 | basti_ | or to forecfully remove them |
| 21:23.58 | spanglesontoast | it wants to run as root... |
| 21:24.03 | stew | Yan^: you don't have to install anything extra, just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose ati |
| 21:24.03 | basti_ | this kind of stuff seems to be happening all the time to me |
| 21:24.05 | Tarantulafudge | spanglesontoast: of course.. |
| 21:24.09 | azeem | spanglesontoast: did you read the documentation? |
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| 21:24.12 | basti_ | ANY hint on this would be welcome |
| 21:24.17 | spanglesontoast | yea |
| 21:24.20 | g1powermac | I just did a network install but after the install it won't connect to my network |
| 21:24.24 | spanglesontoast | it says run it as bitlebeed |
| 21:24.25 | Yan^ | stew, : I did EXACTLY this thing you suggest |
| 21:24.29 | spanglesontoast | that didn't work |
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| 21:24.40 | azeem | spanglesontoast: why did it not work? |
| 21:24.45 | Yan^ | Stew: and I have chosen 1) vesa and 2) ati |
| 21:24.48 | g1powermac | no ip is assigned to the interface |
| 21:24.50 | spanglesontoast | it said command not found |
| 21:24.51 | g1powermac | not sure why |
| 21:25.10 | g1powermac | but it worked fine under the installer |
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| 21:25.22 | stew | Yan^: had you edited the config by hand or used one of the programs like xf86config or X --configure or whatever? |
| 21:25.34 | stew | Yan^: what is the error you are getting? no screens found? |
| 21:25.54 | Yan^ | well, first I used dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:26.05 | Yan^ | then I hav just used xfconfig |
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| 21:26.25 | Yan^ | the erros which I get are more or less hte asme: no screens found |
| 21:26.26 | stew | Yan^: then: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 21:26.33 | m1ke_l | how do i stick the nic to 100/full on boot? etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:26.47 | stew | Yan^: once you have use xf86config, dpkg-reconfigure won't work anymore until you follow the instructions in the xmd5 factoid |
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| 21:27.09 | stew | Yan^: can you post your X log to a pastebin? |
| 21:27.37 | mon | js_: i forgot to mention: the scsi controller does get loaded on boot, but no /dev/ida/c0d0p* like there's supposed to |
| 21:27.50 | m1ke_l | i find that is a driver issue...which did you put in xf86? |
| 21:27.52 | Yan^ | stew: i can do nothing. this is snother computer, and I do not have even a reasonable editor |
| 21:28.34 | Yan^ | stew: so are u sure that ASUS Radeon 9250 is supporetd? |
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| 21:28.49 | Yan^ | (sorry it is not 9200 as i said before |
| 21:28.52 | stew | Yan^: yes, positive |
| 21:29.25 | Yan^ | good news seems to be, but i am in shit however |
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| 21:29.39 | Yan^ | i can reinstall debain of courese |
| 21:29.46 | stew | Yan^: there is no need to |
| 21:29.50 | js_ | mon: odd, did you try lilo yet? |
| 21:29.59 | Yan^ | by the way #discover -xdriver video gives parse error |
| 21:30.00 | stew | Yan^: just update the md5sum and rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86 |
| 21:30.11 | mon | js_: yeah i did, same error |
| 21:30.23 | mon | js_: and tried normal (not smp) 386 kernel too, no good |
| 21:30.28 | Yan^ | stew: but I did it many times already. Ok , howq do I update md5sum? |
| 21:30.32 | pinucset | is there some plan to develop free drivers for nvidia vgas with 3d support? |
| 21:30.41 | stew | Yan^: like i said, /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 21:30.55 | Yan^ | stewq: it says no such file or directioyr |
| 21:31.01 | ribnitz | ok. looking at that raid site, looks like raid5 incurs some penalty over raid 10.. |
| 21:31.07 | daeos | pinucset: im sure the 'plan' is there but nvidia won't release specs |
| 21:31.07 | scam | can you upgrade from XF86 to Xorg? |
| 21:31.08 | js_ | mon: strange, maybe you should try to make your orn initrd after all, using all the required modules |
| 21:31.12 | stew | !tell Yan^ about xmd5 |
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| 21:34.39 | Yan^ | stew: ok now dpkg reconf |
| 21:34.49 | Yan^ | what should I choose as driver?? |
| 21:35.02 | Yan^ | ati? |
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| 21:35.15 | chealer | pinucset: ask #nvidia |
| 21:36.13 | foo | I want to build a 2.6.16 kernel with initrd, right? |
| 21:36.34 | Yan^ | scam: apparently xorg ix not on sarge |
| 21:36.47 | basti_ | ok i now manipulated the remove scripts to ignore the errors |
| 21:36.49 | scam | Yan^, i know its not |
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| 21:36.56 | basti_ | this got me rid of the problematic packages |
| 21:37.02 | stew | Yan^: yes ati |
| 21:37.11 | Yan^ | stew: ok, doing |
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| 21:37.26 | scam | XF86 is on stable |
| 21:37.49 | scam | xorg is on etch |
| 21:37.58 | nk | apt-cache show nfs-user-server says, that it might be a tad slower than nfs-kernel-server. also in other ressources about nfs I read similar information. but if I test the performance in my network, the nfs-user-server is about 3 times faster than the nfs-kernel-server. which could be the reason? |
| 21:38.11 | Yan^ | stew: identifier for the viodeo card: i put Radeon 9200 PRO? |
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| 21:38.26 | stew | Yan^: doesn't matter |
| 21:38.27 | Yan^ | (this is what discover propmts |
| 21:38.36 | Yan^ | stew: ok, doing |
| 21:38.56 | stew | Yan^: leave busid and amount of memory blank |
| 21:39.05 | Yan^ | stew: ok, thanks ;)) |
| 21:39.35 | Yan^ | XKB rule: xfree86, right? |
| 21:40.19 | __honky | foo: yes |
| 21:40.40 | stew | !widhe |
| 21:40.40 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 21:40.58 | daeos | !war |
| 21:40.58 | dpkg | methinks war is foo, or http://www.atai.org/softwarewar.gif |
| 21:41.00 | foo | __honky: Thanks |
| 21:42.28 | Yan^ | stew: ok I went throught the process. Now I say X, right? |
| 21:42.39 | stew | Yan^: startx |
| 21:42.42 | Yan^ | ok |
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| 21:43.18 | Yan^ | i will write the error messages form downwards: no screens found |
| 21:43.23 | Yan^ | No devices detected |
| 21:43.28 | Yan^ | No symboles found |
| 21:43.37 | Yan^ | (6 ttimes) |
| 21:43.48 | Yan^ | then it is out of the display and I can not read any more |
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| 21:44.47 | selucresh | How the fuck to I install .deb files? |
| 21:44.55 | basti_ | dpkg -i <file> |
| 21:44.58 | basti_ | the fuck. |
| 21:45.04 | Shadowcat | apt-get install get_a_clue |
| 21:45.05 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 21:45.08 | selucresh | heh...sorry :D |
| 21:45.09 | UncleSkunk | lol |
| 21:45.15 | SpyderMan | apt-get install manners |
| 21:45.15 | stew | !wikifaq selucresh PackageManagement |
| 21:45.16 | dpkg | selucresh: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:45.16 | Jvander | :) |
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| 21:46.26 | stew | Yan^: you need to look at the log in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and figure out why. most likely you didn't put the right refresh rates in |
| 21:46.45 | Yan^ | stew: it did not ask for the refresh rates |
| 21:47.12 | Yan^ | stew: it asked for the resolution, and by the way it has ald\ready chosen it, so i could not change it |
| 21:47.39 | selucresh | it says that the requested action needs superuser privilage |
| 21:47.40 | stew | Yan^: yeah it was a resolution and a refresh rate |
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| 21:48.12 | Yan^ | stew: i looked already at the /var/log but i don t understand it |
| 21:48.45 | stew | Yan^: put it in a pastebin, and i'll try to help |
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| 21:49.08 | stew | Yan^: how is the monitor connected? vga? or dvi? |
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| 21:49.51 | Yan^ | stew: vga |
| 21:50.20 | Yan^ | I have chosen the "simple" mode of config monitor, so the refresh did not appear |
| 21:50.25 | Yan^ | what is pastebin?? |
| 21:50.33 | stew | !paster |
| 21:50.34 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 21:50.53 | stew | Yan^: i'm saying put it somewhere on the web, and i'll look |
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| 21:51.44 | spanglesontoast | why does webmin have no modules? |
| 21:51.58 | stew | spanglesontoast: did you install any? |
| 21:52.16 | spanglesontoast | er no your not telling me I have to install them manually |
| 21:52.16 | selucresh | Why would it say operation requires superuser privilage |
| 21:52.29 | spanglesontoast | or is there some deb that installs the common ones? |
| 21:52.31 | SpyderMan | selucresh: because it needs root access? |
| 21:52.38 | stew | spanglesontoast: apt-cache search webmin |
| 21:52.40 | SpyderMan | selucresh: do it as root |
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| 21:52.48 | selucresh | how do I do that? |
| 21:52.50 | SpyderMan | selucresh: you could also rtfm |
| 21:53.04 | selucresh | I don't have a fm |
| 21:53.14 | SpyderMan | selucresh: man dpkg |
| 21:53.48 | selucresh | Thanks |
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| 21:54.27 | SpyderMan | selucresh: though TBH - if you don't know about root access, I'd be a little careful about installing .deb's |
| 21:54.49 | Yan^ | stew: thanx, but I can not, i don t have any reasonable editor, or whatever. (I tried meanwhile to change the refresh, and the same result) |
| 21:55.11 | SpyderMan | selucresh: might be worth looking in google for a linux primer of some sorts |
| 21:55.17 | stew | Yan^: can't you install a reasonable editor? |
| 21:55.19 | Yan^ | stew: Debian s on another com, not the one I am writing from |
| 21:55.21 | stew | Yan^: how about nano? |
| 21:55.52 | threat | hey, I am having EVMS issues, I am using LVM under EVMS and all of the lvm lv points to the same lv |
| 21:56.04 | selucresh | Spyderman: ok. I just want to get vim. |
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| 21:56.12 | Yan^ | stew: and then to floppy? |
| 21:56.24 | SpyderMan | selucresh: as root do apt-get install vim |
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| 21:56.31 | selucresh | ok thanks |
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| 21:57.26 | SpyderMan | selucresh: but seriously have a look at some debian primer somewhere, it'll help you understand lots of this kind of thing |
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| 21:57.37 | selucresh | Allright. Thanks for the help |
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| 21:58.02 | phretor | hi there |
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| 21:58.10 | SpyderMan | selucresh: np - good luck |
| 21:58.12 | spanglesontoast | how would I install everything found in that search cache |
| 21:58.14 | spanglesontoast | ? |
| 21:58.19 | selucresh | Also: how to I get as root? |
| 21:58.27 | SpyderMan | selucresh: su |
| 21:58.31 | schlurchz | Hmmm, is there any reason why the BTW might drop archived bug reports? It seems #33006 is gone, somehow. |
| 21:58.35 | SpyderMan | selucresh: but *use with care* |
| 21:58.41 | schlurchz | s/BTW/BTS/ |
| 21:58.46 | selucresh | thank you |
| 21:58.52 | phretor | from the last update debian is automatically checking all my vfat volumes at boot - how could I prevent it? what's that? |
| 21:59.09 | Yan^ | stew: by the way I can READ this file, if u tell me what lines are important I can tell u |
| 21:59.18 | selucresh | Spyderman: it is saying it had an authentication failure |
| 21:59.42 | SpyderMan | selucresh: you'll need the root password for the machine on which you wish to install |
| 21:59.48 | schlurchz | The BTS says: "There is no record of Bug #33006" |
| 21:59.50 | SpyderMan | selucresh: is this your PC? |
| 21:59.58 | selucresh | No I'm in Ubuntu right now |
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| 22:00.11 | selucresh | But yes, I'm on a desktop |
| 22:00.14 | basti_ | oh btw. bugs... a bug i reported like half a year ago was addressed :D |
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| 22:00.21 | selucresh | su |
| 22:00.23 | selucresh | oops |
| 22:00.25 | selucresh | Heh |
| 22:00.30 | Yan^ | stew: I have found the "bad" lines could I post it to private? i would not flood the channel |
| 22:00.38 | p3rti | hi |
| 22:00.49 | stew | Yan^: you need to figure out why they resulotion you think it should be using is being thrown out. probably a refresh out of range |
| 22:01.08 | p3rti | can i put more than one port on a iptables sentence? and how i do it.. |
| 22:01.10 | p3rti | example |
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| 22:01.13 | nk | apt-cache show nfs-user-server says, that it might be a tad slower than nfs-kernel-server. also in other ressources about nfs I read similar information. but if I test the performance in my network, the nfs-user-server is about 3 times faster than the nfs-kernel-server. which could be the reason? |
| 22:01.31 | p3rti | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 22:01.41 | p3rti | but i need 8080 too and anothers ports. |
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| 22:02.04 | Yan^ | stew: here is one line: ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:1 could not be detected |
| 22:02.08 | p3rti | i have to make a lots of sentences... or there any way to put all ports on only one |
| 22:02.14 | nk | p3rti: portrange is START:END |
| 22:02.36 | stew | Yan^: is this a mac? |
| 22:02.38 | bowman | heya. what does libstdc++ want to tell me when it says "cannot handle TLS data"? this is happening more and more often, yesterday with an emulator, today with apt-file. |
| 22:02.48 | p3rti | nk, i dont need a portrange i need only like 3 ports.. 8080 80 and 8081 |
| 22:02.49 | Yan^ | stew: by no means ;)) |
| 22:02.54 | azeem | bowman: it's gonna be fixed soon |
| 22:02.55 | nk | bowman: you need tls support in the kernel |
| 22:02.58 | cusco | anyone here uses a zydas usb dongle? |
| 22:03.07 | p3rti | nk, if i make 80:8080 it allow all ports from 80 to 8080 |
| 22:03.17 | nk | p3rti: correct. so write 3 rules |
| 22:03.40 | p3rti | nk, lol.. ok thanks i was thinking that maybe i make on that on only one rule |
| 22:04.08 | nk | p3rti: only chance to make it shorter is to use a littel for loop or s.th. |
| 22:04.17 | nk | but it all results in the same |
| 22:04.34 | p3rti | nk, yes.. thanks a lot!! |
| 22:04.45 | p3rti | byee |
| 22:05.38 | selucresh | So how do I find my root password? |
| 22:05.47 | nk | selucresh: you can't |
| 22:06.19 | stew | selucresh: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 22:06.58 | p3rti | on ubuntu the user that you use to install its setuid like root |
| 22:07.06 | p3rti | so u need to run all app with sudo |
| 22:07.15 | bowman | selucresh: put the hd into a different box and run john the ripper on /etc/shadow or /etc/password? :) |
| 22:07.19 | p3rti | if you want to run it like root |
| 22:07.24 | p3rti | jejeje |
| 22:07.28 | Yan^ | stew: I checked the resolutions, and re-installed them according to the monitor |
| 22:07.38 | p3rti | bowman, with a BIIIIIIGGGGGGGGG dictionary |
| 22:07.53 | streuner | !i forgot root's password |
| 22:07.53 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 22:08.28 | p3rti | !hi |
| 22:08.28 | dpkg | hello, p3rti |
| 22:08.29 | bowman | p3rti: if you can wait for like a billion years, you can use incremental bruteforce ;) |
| 22:09.14 | pitillo | dpkg, really need to reboot? why dont init another runlevel when password changed? |
| 22:09.30 | selucresh | all this just to get vim? |
| 22:09.35 | p3rti | bowman, long time ago i use john the ripper when shadow it wasn't installed. and the dictionary has 20 MB size like 1 WEEK!! |
| 22:09.47 | bowman | p3rti: :) |
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| 22:09.52 | Yan^ | stew: btw it says also ATI Technologies unknown chipset |
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| 22:12.55 | miri222 | !thunderbird |
| 22:12.55 | dpkg | somebody said thunderbird was http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/ for the package maintainer _ http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ for upstream _ irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird for support _ apt-get install thunderbird |
| 22:13.36 | pitillo | anyone know why is needed to reboot after the pasword is changed? Its the number 6 in dpkg list... Why dont change the run level directly? |
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| 22:15.50 | piper14 | sorry, i well to.. bye |
| 22:16.27 | alainm | anyone familliar with Grub that could explain to me why i am getting a CRC error when i boot my new Shuttle XPC? |
| 22:16.44 | alainm | i installed debian without issue |
| 22:16.55 | alainm | when i reboot i get the error |
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| 22:17.51 | Yan^ | stew: could I bother u some more? I am reading now the /etc/X11/Config-4 |
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| 22:20.05 | chealer | !tell miri222 about msg the bot |
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| 22:21.31 | mlask | hi there |
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| 22:23.07 | mlask | i have just installed xcompmgr and it works a little buggy with kde. are there any tricks to make it work better? |
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| 22:27.28 | chealer | dpkg: no, thunderbird is mozilla.org's cross-platform email client using XUL (GTK+), packaged in mozilla-thunderbird in Sarge and the thunderbird package in Etch. http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 22:27.29 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 22:27.51 | stew | mlask: we don't support ubuntu nor experimental here |
| 22:28.21 | mlask | ohh... i see... |
| 22:28.33 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:29.12 | MikePer | hello |
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| 22:30.13 | MikePer | I try to set up a rarpd on debian but it seems not to respond to any request |
| 22:30.26 | twb | aptitude purge ~skde_ doesn't match juk, but aptitude search ~skde does. Does anybody know why? |
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| 22:31.15 | Yan^ | stew: i am still confused, nothing works and I do not inderstand why. Should I try etch? or should i find drivers for ati?? |
| 22:31.40 | stew | Yan^: you have the same drivers as would be in etch |
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| 22:32.10 | Yan^ | stew: I have checked the refreshments in the /etc/X11 cofnig file, they are OK |
| 22:32.22 | mon | jae: did i just talk to you about LVM? |
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| 22:34.32 | Tarantulafudge | *Sigh* playing with xgl is fun! |
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| 22:35.17 | magyar | etch, i have a SCSI raid adapter and SATA controller, etch is using the sata drive as sda, how can i tell the kernel to use the scsi raid as sda? |
| 22:35.35 | Yan^ | stew: by the way about 3 hours ago I tried to install the same sarge with another monitor, a better one, which I am using now. With the same effect. Any toher ideas why it does not work? |
| 22:36.25 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 22:36.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 22:37.44 | mon | is it possible for a raid controller to go into some kind of "failsafe" mode after unexpected power disconnect? |
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| 22:38.36 | twb | It is a bug in aptitude 0.2 that is fixed in 0.4. |
| 22:38.40 | twb | Bye! |
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| 22:38.51 | Knorrie | debhelper: 77 w00t |
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| 22:38.58 | Knorrie | 77 47 yeah |
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| 22:41.25 | foo | Debian laptop proc hit 60C. Should I be worried? When should I be worried? |
| 22:41.45 | SpyderMan | nout of interest where does the doesn't work quote from dpkg come from? Is it famous or does someone else here work for the same company as me? (_Monkey has the same on #unix I beleive...) |
| 22:41.49 | ribnitz | how nmuch cpu load should I count for a software raid5 on a recent (2Ghz+ CPU)? |
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| 22:42.20 | Yan^ | stew: I have done "discover --xdriver video and got the next answer: parse error reading X server string "radeonfb" unknown What does it mean? |
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| 22:42.27 | unstable | foo: eh, don't worry. worst that happens is it gets overheated, and shuts itself down. foo then just wait for it to cool down and start it up again. |
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| 22:42.45 | dusty- | Hello, im trying to install manpages-dev, but i keep getting the following error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wUOO0T50.html anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:43.06 | kadigibox | hmmm I am having problems. my computer I am trying to install gentoo on detected both network cards and dhcp set it up the first time. After reboot now it wont detect the network at all and dhcpcd is running |
| 22:43.07 | Knorrie | foo: 60oC is not really low temparature, but when it's not constantly at that temperature i wouldn't be afraid |
| 22:43.20 | kadigibox | I dont know what to do |
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| 22:43.38 | foo | unstable: What temp is too hot? |
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| 22:43.54 | Stevie | 1000 degrees is too hot |
| 22:43.55 | ribnitz | kadigibox: -> gentoo? |
| 22:44.06 | foo | Stevie: Celsius goes to 100. heh |
| 22:44.07 | Knorrie | ribnitz: really low |
| 22:44.13 | SpyderMan | Stevie: not if you're a star |
| 22:44.14 | kadigibox | oups sorry everyone wrong chan |
| 22:44.18 | unstable | foo: 1001 degrees is too hot also. |
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| 22:44.28 | foo | unstable: 70C? |
| 22:44.37 | ribnitz | Knorrie: so negligible, unless its running degraded or rebuilding arrays? |
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| 22:44.37 | Stevie | well i'm no star |
| 22:44.46 | SpyderMan | Stevie: ok then :) |
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| 22:45.27 | unstable | foo: no idea |
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| 22:45.32 | Knorrie | ribnitz: yes, look at it and dont't worry, unless it's showing some serious rare values |
| 22:45.37 | unstable | foo: My laptop overheats and shuts down sometimes. |
| 22:45.49 | UncleSkunk | anyone know of a source for nvidia-glx. the latest one I found the source is dead |
| 22:45.54 | daeos | unstable: thanks for the info about 'screen' yesterday |
| 22:46.09 | Mawbid | anyone else having this problem?: dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' with |
| 22:46.11 | Mawbid | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.42 | Yan^ | Does anyone have experience with installing Xserver with debian and ATI Radeon graphics card? |
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| 22:47.38 | LordHoto | hi |
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| 22:47.50 | magyar | i have a SCSI raid adapter and SATA controller, etch is using the sata drive as sda, how can i tell the kernel to use the scsi raid as sda? |
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| 22:48.10 | Knorrie | ribnitz: i'm runnin lots of raid1 devices and they typically take some 1/1344 cpu load |
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| 22:48.45 | ribnitz | Knorrie: RAID1 isnt that cpu intensive. |
| 22:48.55 | Knorrie | ribnitz: sure |
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| 22:49.16 | ^ATOMIC^ | how can i check what program is using a port and free that port |
| 22:49.28 | Knorrie | ^ATOMIC^: use lsof |
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| 22:49.34 | ribnitz | Knorrie: SO if I set aside 5-10% cpu load for raid, I'd be on the safe side? |
| 22:50.14 | unstable | dammit, thinkpad S series are only made in Japan that's horse shit |
| 22:50.21 | unstable | daeos: sure, nice right? |
| 22:50.33 | dusty- | Anyone? |
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| 22:51.27 | UncleSkunk | heh.. wth. getting nvidia-glx will remove x-window-system , grrrrrr |
| 22:51.40 | sexcopter8000m | hi, bit of a newbie here. it seems some process is throttling my cpu with "IOWait" (not sure what that is), but can't pinpoint which process it is. can top tell me? |
| 22:51.42 | LordHoto | I'm having a problem with readdir (from dirent.h that is) it always returns me dirent structs with d_type set to zero. Running debian/unstable on amd64 with a selfcompiled kernel 2.6.15.7, the filesystem is XFS if that matters. Anyone knows if it's unsupported on amd64 or if it's a libc bug? |
| 22:51.45 | Knorrie | ribnitz: i'm not sure, continuously 5-10% is pretty much although, but i don't have experience with raid5 |
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| 22:51.55 | Knorrie | ribnitz: sorry |
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| 22:52.36 | Knorrie | sexcopter8000m: why is sex in your nick? |
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| 22:53.01 | sexcopter8000m | Knorrie, long story... has been my irc nick for a long time |
| 22:53.10 | Knorrie | sexcopter8000m: lol |
| 22:53.24 | Knorrie | euhmzzz |
| 22:53.39 | ribnitz | Knorrie: I dont have any raid yet, I jusdt need to plan. Hence I thought 5% cpu for raid..? |
| 22:54.55 | Knorrie | ribnitz: i hear raid5 sucks in favor of raid 10 |
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| 22:55.10 | Knorrie | SAME (Stripe And Mirror Everything) |
| 22:55.32 | abrotman | sucks is a bit harsh |
| 22:55.41 | Knorrie | raid5 is really bad for write performance |
| 22:55.46 | Knorrie | abrotman: true |
| 22:55.48 | dusty- | Anyone? |
| 22:55.49 | abrotman | so is 10 |
| 22:55.55 | abrotman | 10 is probably worse than 5 |
| 22:55.55 | magyar | i have a SCSI raid adapter and SATA controller, etch is using the sata drive as sda, how can i tell the kernel to use the scsi raid as sda? |
| 22:56.17 | abrotman | change the module load order |
| 22:56.30 | Mawbid | depends on what you want. I wanted redundancy and a low number of drives. don't care about speed. so raid5 it was |
| 22:56.52 | ribnitz | Knorrie: is raid10 extensible, ie can I add a disk once I run out of space? |
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| 22:57.05 | m1ke_l | can i do lvm's on sparc? |
| 22:57.07 | magyar | abrotman: where? |
| 22:57.08 | Knorrie | abrotman: i like your opinion about raid 5-10 |
| 22:57.17 | ribnitz | Knorrie: plus afaim RAID10 cannot be done in software. |
| 22:57.18 | m1ke_l | not quite getting the sparc harddrive thing |
| 22:57.19 | stew | raid 10 should get you better performance than 5 |
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| 22:57.43 | ribnitz | stew: true, but can it be done in software? |
| 22:57.53 | stew | yes |
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| 22:58.10 | ribnitz | stew: is thzere a linux howto for it? |
| 22:58.15 | GoTHic`Out | Hi everyone. Is there any native english speakers here? Need emergency grammar help... |
| 22:58.17 | Knorrie | ribnitz: /me asumes you have to add 2 hdds when you run out of space |
| 22:58.32 | m1ke_l | me speek english good |
| 22:58.39 | owenh | GoTHic`Out: Here. |
| 22:58.57 | ribnitz | stew: Will be put into an entry level file server. |
| 22:59.01 | stew | ribnitz: yeah google for "software raid howto" |
| 22:59.04 | ribnitz | stew: for SMEs |
| 22:59.20 | GoTHic`Out | Which one is correct? 1) Pieces of advice of improving... 2) pieces of advice to improve... 3) Pieces of advice on improve... |
| 22:59.31 | ribnitz | stew: the software raid howto doesnt cover raid 10. |
| 22:59.35 | sussudio | !doe Knorrie |
| 22:59.57 | m1ke_l | goth: i like #2 |
| 23:00.02 | stew | ribnitz: it does |
| 23:00.06 | owenh | GoTHic`Out: Number 2. |
| 23:00.08 | stew | ribnitz: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.4 |
| 23:00.22 | GoTHic`Out | thanks a lot! :) |
| 23:00.22 | Knorrie | sussudio: :) |
| 23:00.34 | Mawbid | "Pieces of advice" is ugly to begin with. How about just "advice"? |
| 23:00.40 | stew | ribnitz: oh maybe it doesn't |
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| 23:01.00 | stew | ribnitz: but raid 10 is just 1+0, so build two raid0 arrays and mirror them |
| 23:01.14 | Doctor | hey will Kompare let me graphically compare two text files and merge them? |
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| 23:03.04 | ribnitz | stew: So it does have the inherent non-extendability of raid1? |
| 23:03.48 | Knorrie | ribnitz: if you want extendability, use lvm on raid? |
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| 23:04.41 | magyar | i have a SCSI raid adapter and SATA controller, etch is using the sata drive as sda, how can i tell the kernel to use the scsi raid as sda? |
| 23:05.10 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: if it's really a fileserver - buy a real array controller and a few hotspares. Fileservers hurt bad when they break |
| 23:05.16 | sussudio | !tell magyar about repeating |
| 23:05.33 | stew | ribnitz: yes |
| 23:06.47 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: IMO, reliability is more importent than throughput. |
| 23:07.12 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: for a file servr probably, if it's sized correctly |
| 23:07.50 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: Initial config is probably RAID5, 3x300GB (600GB), with 300GB hot spare. |
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| 23:08.09 | daeos | so with RAID, if i wanted a CD-ROM drive , would it hurt to have the cd rom drive become a slave under one of the drives ? or should it be on its own seperate bus? |
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| 23:08.31 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: out of interest how are you backing up all those GBs? Disk? |
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| 23:08.56 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: separate machine in a separate location. rsync. |
| 23:09.22 | ke6isf | Is there a way to send a single memo to a user or group thereof when they log into shell, right after the MOTD? |
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| 23:09.27 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: http://www.dirvish.org/ |
| 23:09.27 | Mawbid | it only hurts when you're using the CD drive. |
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| 23:09.58 | ribnitz | daeos: here cdroms are practically not used. |
| 23:10.11 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: cool |
| 23:10.48 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: First sync is odne locally (LAN), then daily changes are done over DSL. |
| 23:11.03 | LordHoto | anyway thanks, it seems to be a glibc bug |
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| 23:11.28 | daeos | ribnitz: ok so no cdrom drives period, only hdd ok, that makes sense, im not using a cd anyways |
| 23:11.44 | daeos | only use if need a reinstall |
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| 23:12.11 | dusty- | Hello, im trying to install manpages-dev, but i keep getting the following error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wUOO0T50.html anyone know how to fix this? |
| 23:12.27 | __honky | dusty: see bts |
| 23:12.51 | ribnitz | daeos: use a CDROM somewhere, but count that the pCI bus will be pretty saturated with RAID. |
| 23:12.53 | dusty- | __honky, bts??? |
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| 23:13.11 | __honky | dusty: bug tracking system |
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| 23:13.53 | unstable | !tell dusty- about bts |
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| 23:14.06 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: Have had that thing (dirvish) working flawalessly over 2 separate sites. Its basically setup and forget. |
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| 23:14.46 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: good - and I guess you 've actually tested teh rebuild success rate using it ;) |
| 23:15.15 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: Well, its a sipmle copy operation, or scp. |
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| 23:15.33 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: not saying it's not good, but generally the minute you notice your backups aren't working is the minute you need them :) |
| 23:15.42 | mango | hello, I want to backup my system over the network. I am running samba on a small network, what would be the best way to do it. or if there are any good tutorial arount can someone send me a link to them please? |
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| 23:15.48 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: tape-based backup is really expensive once you are past the 35GB DAT supports. |
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| 23:16.13 | __honky | mango: what media do you want to backup to? |
| 23:16.19 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: I have rebuilt systems using it. |
| 23:16.53 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: agreed - but IMNSHO at least maintain some reconciliation scripts if you're using disk backups offsite. Just check that everything that changes is really backed up |
| 23:17.00 | ribnitz | mango: You mean disk-based or tape-based? |
| 23:17.01 | mango | __honky: I just want to back up to another partition on the network. did I answer your question? |
| 23:17.27 | mango | ribnitz: disk vased |
| 23:17.43 | __honky | mango: live backup? what filesystem? |
| 23:17.44 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: Thats the extra mile most people dont walk. you also need /etc backed up, which quite av fw people forget. |
| 23:17.46 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: though LTO is not that expensive these days ( tell the manager how much the data is worth ) ) |
| 23:17.55 | spowers | Does Debian's standard kernel-image support nfsroot? |
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| 23:18.34 | ribnitz | mango: look at dirvish. www.dirvish.org, packaged as "dirvish". Will need rsync and ssh. |
| 23:18.36 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: well - we have regulatory requirements to walk it and the first few tests proved that it was a damn good mile to walk ;) |
| 23:19.20 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: Lets put it that way, havent found anything better so far. what are u using? |
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| 23:20.06 | mango | __honky: the system I want to back up is ext3 and the system to which will hold/host the back up is also ext3 running samba server if it helps |
| 23:20.08 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: also if its cartridge based, the user can forget to change the cartridge. And if its robots, its really expensive. |
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| 23:20.50 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: I live in an office environment where I cannot rely on others. |
| 23:20.57 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: we now use NetBackup - but the thing I learned the most is that there are always gonna be things that people forget to mention needed backing up. It's not an implementation thing, it's a making sure things work like they're supposed to (from a user perspective..) |
| 23:21.03 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: either I do it, or its not done. |
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| 23:22.00 | UncleSkunk | anyone know if theres a way to get nvidia-glx on without removing x-window-system? |
| 23:22.01 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: All important things are on the fileserver (SAMBA, CVS,...). If they arent they dont get backed up. |
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| 23:24.00 | sethrd | Would anyone be kind enough to help me get printing working? It's a network printer, being shared from a Windows machine. |
| 23:24.22 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: to be honest it's really worth explaining the advantages of a tape library if you're running a file server of any size. IMHO |
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| 23:25.20 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: Tape library == robot, this means we are in the 5 digit usd/eur range. |
| 23:25.20 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: if it's small enough to keep a disk backup offsite then it probably ain't an issue, but once you have pbs with that, you need to ask or budget :) |
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| 23:25.55 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: Atm we plan an initial (usable, backuped) capacity of 600GB |
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| 23:27.04 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: to get a library - just wonder how much it would cost if i saved you a days work just once (ie. you on holiday, tapes not change...) |
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| 23:27.24 | stray_ | sethrd: what have you tried so far? |
| 23:27.26 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: but that's it - if it works that's cool |
| 23:28.08 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: main problem wil lbe to get daily (incrementals) over a DSL line. |
| 23:28.49 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: to be honest I've seen more downtime related to uhuman error than to multiple disk failures in the time I've been in a demanding availability env. |
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| 23:29.33 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: classical case: inadvertedly deleting the wrong fle. |
| 23:29.36 | ribnitz | file.# |
| 23:29.51 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: or forgetting to change the tape... |
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| 23:30.18 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: good backups are 100% automatic. |
| 23:30.30 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: versioned. |
| 23:30.39 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: and read-only. |
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| 23:32.10 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: we had a big issue as for maintenance on servers the full backup on Fri was held until servers rebooted. One didn't and the restore from the weekend before was bolloxed because on wednesday someone forgot to change the tape. So full restore from previous weekend + 2 days incremental + loads of hassle :-/ |
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| 23:33.03 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: that netbackup exists for linux? |
| 23:33.11 | ribnitz | (or unix) |
| 23:33.21 | SpyderMan | yes |
| 23:33.50 | ribnitz | SpyderMan: it does use ecrypted channels (eg. ssh)? |
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| 23:34.09 | SpyderMan | ribnitz: it can, I believe |
| 23:34.28 | Green-x | hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation? |
| 23:35.41 | SpyderMan | Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5 |
| 23:36.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:36.45 | simonrvn | had to let him type that in first before giggling ;) |
| 23:36.52 | SpyderMan | :) |
| 23:37.02 | Green-x | SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 23:37.08 | simonrvn | hahah |
| 23:37.12 | dimir | :-D |
| 23:37.24 | dimir | ye, he tried it. :-) |
| 23:37.29 | SpyderMan | lol |
| 23:37.32 | simonrvn | QOTFD :D |
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| 23:38.05 | dimir | f=fscking? |
| 23:38.14 | simonrvn | no, fucking |
| 23:38.36 | dimir | That's what I said. :-D |
| 23:38.52 | Green-x | SpyderMan, do you have the entire number? |
| 23:39.06 | SpyderMan | Green-x: hang ong |
| 23:39.18 | dimir | J00R25700P1D! |
| 23:39.30 | SpyderMan | J00RT3HH4X0R55UX0R5 |
| 23:39.32 | SpyderMan | ? |
| 23:39.36 | SpyderMan | is that it? |
| 23:39.40 | dimir | ye. |
| 23:39.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:40.00 | abrotman | Green-x: wrong channe |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | channel |
| 23:40.04 | simonrvn | !qotd141 is <reply><Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 23:40.04 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 23:40.18 | Green-x | SpyderMan, The registration key seems to be invalid! |
| 23:40.18 | simonrvn | Green-x: go away. |
| 23:40.36 | SpyderMan | Green-x: OMG - someone has invalidated my CD key |
| 23:40.39 | SpyderMan | WTF |
| 23:40.41 | SpyderMan | ;) |
| 23:40.53 | abrotman | Green-x: try #hottub |
| 23:40.53 | Green-x | SpyderMan, ok thanks anyway |
| 23:40.59 | dimir | ye, now it seems to be useless, SpyderMan! |
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| 23:41.21 | abrotman | simonrvn: wasn't there a 141 before ? |
| 23:41.28 | dimir | :'( |
| 23:41.51 | SpyderMan | dimir: yeah - guess I'll have to Kazaa a new copy ;) |
| 23:41.53 | dimir | 142 exists. :-) |
| 23:42.05 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:42.15 | simonrvn | beh. i checked it. 141 had nothing |
| 23:42.50 | simonrvn | note i didn't do "no qotd141 is <reply>" |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | i ddi |
| 23:42.58 | abrotman | did |
| 23:43.03 | Green-x | simonrvn, why are you so crude? |
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| 23:43.33 | abrotman | Green-x: GO AWAY |
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| 23:43.40 | simonrvn | Green-x: because this isn't a channel, never mind network, for that kind of thing. now go away. |
| 23:43.45 | __honky | Green-x: die |
| 23:43.57 | UncleSkunk | what file would I edit to check or add resolutions manualy? |
| 23:44.00 | dandesousa | damn i missed something good ;P |
| 23:44.01 | dimir | green_earz: probably because it's not good to ask for a serial. |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | !drxx UncleSkunk |
| 23:44.05 | dpkg | UncleSkunk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:44.08 | dimir | Green-x |
| 23:44.09 | sewi | is it posible to burn cd from bin/cue format of files on Linux? |
| 23:44.09 | dimir | too |
| 23:44.20 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:44.23 | dimir | amg, how come there be so much green* s. |
| 23:44.28 | simonrvn | with a conversion |
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| 23:44.31 | UncleSkunk | thank you |
| 23:44.50 | sewi | simonrvn: which conversion? |
| 23:45.01 | Green-x | simonrvn, ok Im trying to emulate suse 10.2 in my Debian Testing, but Its seems like you dont mind people learn |
| 23:45.01 | simonrvn | converting the bin/cue to iso |
| 23:45.12 | Green-x | simonrvn, so FUCKYOU |
| 23:45.19 | simonrvn | right. and i'm the pope of the rcc |
| 23:45.21 | abrotman | Green-x: please go away |
| 23:45.40 | Green-x | abrotman, why? |
| 23:45.52 | SpyderMan | Green-x: sorry I tried to be subtle |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | because you're asking for key codes .. so far you haven't asked a single question related to debian |
| 23:46.06 | SpyderMan | Green-x: you didn't get it |
| 23:46.10 | Green-x | abrotman, I try to emulate Suse in my Debian |
| 23:46.11 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 23:46.18 | sewi | thanks simonrvn |
| 23:46.24 | Green-x | abrotman, so I need parallels to emulate under debian! |
| 23:46.24 | simonrvn | np |
| 23:46.37 | SpyderMan | Green-x: then buy it |
| 23:46.44 | SpyderMan | Green-x: or do without |
| 23:46.49 | abrotman | Green-x: is parallels in Debian? |
| 23:46.55 | Green-x | SpyderMan, yes in debian |
| 23:47.17 | abrotman | !info parallels etch |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | !+info parallels etch |
| 23:47.34 | dpkg | Package 'parallels' does not exist. |
| 23:47.35 | simonrvn | Green-x: oh, and fyi, i did not once call you names or tell you off. |
| 23:47.46 | SpyderMan | they have a trial dl .deb |
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| 23:48.04 | SpyderMan | it is not in debian |
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| 23:48.54 | SpyderMan | you can try it for 30 days I believe - more than that PAY FOR IT |
| 23:49.18 | abrotman | it's still NOT IN Debian |
| 23:49.25 | SpyderMan | abrotman: no |
| 23:49.32 | SpyderMan | abrotman: not at all |
| 23:49.42 | Green-x | SpyderMan, ok, thanks anyway, but a good friend in the red-hat channel send me th serial number |
| 23:49.49 | abrotman | good .. go use RH |
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| 23:50.03 | Led_Zeppelin | I just downloaded some src code, and it seems I can't run ./configure. |
| 23:50.09 | abrotman | why not? |
| 23:50.14 | Led_Zeppelin | bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 23:50.23 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: also did sh ./configure |
| 23:50.41 | SpyderMan | Green-x: pleased for you. If only cos you'll stop asking here. |
| 23:50.42 | Led_Zeppelin | sh configure |
| 23:50.48 | dimir | ledestin: is the filesystem you are doing it on allowing exec? |
| 23:50.52 | dimir | Led_Zeppelin too |
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| 23:51.12 | abrotman | yay! |
| 23:51.17 | simonrvn | finally |
| 23:51.25 | dimir | :-D |
| 23:51.27 | Led_Zeppelin | dimir: hmm, could be |
| 23:51.30 | Led_Zeppelin | brb |
| 23:51.59 | abrotman | why doesn't he irc from linux? |
| 23:52.08 | dimir | ye, that's strange. |
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| 23:52.45 | dimir | Or could be he can't do it without the favourite mircrap client. |
| 23:53.16 | dandesousa | hm |
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| 23:53.59 | bbrazil | or what he's trying to configure is network related |
| 23:54.49 | dimir | Requiring no network at build time? :-D |
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| 23:55.44 | None4uman | how do i use a set bitchx to use a proxy in debian |
| 23:56.10 | dimir | Eh? |
| 23:56.13 | abrotman | !best irc client |
| 23:56.13 | dpkg | i heard irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 23:56.23 | abrotman | None4uman: a proxy for what? |
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| 23:56.42 | None4uman | connect using proxy for server - so i can connect from campus |
| 23:57.09 | dimir | None4uman: and what kind of proxy? SOCKS? |
| 23:57.25 | None4uman | yea 4 |
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| 23:57.37 | dimir | None4uman: there is a wrapper called tsocks |
| 23:58.40 | None4uman | aw there isnt a way to set it in the settings |
| 23:58.44 | None4uman | ? |
| 23:58.51 | dimir | None4uman: don't know that. |
| 23:58.56 | None4uman | ok lol |
| 23:59.00 | dimir | None4uman: not that I can remember. |
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| 23:59.17 | abrotman | there is a very small #bitchx |
| 23:59.48 | dimir | ye, really small. :-) |
