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| 00:00.13 | stew | but that might have changed recently |
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| 00:00.21 | stew | but i don't think so |
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| 00:01.23 | wooya510 | Can I have a question? When i started with GDM, don't working with virtual console key(ctrl+alt+fx), but In console mode, it work very well. Because I don't install gnome packages. I'm working in console |
| 00:02.54 | nicholas | wooya510: that happened to me in unstable, but was fixed after I installed the xkb-data package (depended by "xorg" package). |
| 00:03.06 | thingfish | ooh boy, this stuff is stinky |
| 00:03.27 | wooya510 | I using the unstable source list |
| 00:03.44 | nicholas | wooya510: ok. Is xkb-data installed? |
| 00:03.52 | wooya510 | not yet |
| 00:04.48 | gravity | Hrm, the xserver-xorg package needs it or xkb-data-legacy |
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| 00:05.41 | wooya510 | thank you very much, nicholas |
| 00:06.03 | nicholas | wooya510: you're welcome. |
| 00:06.03 | wooya510 | I solved now |
| 00:06.36 | UncleSkunk | is there a something checking the md5 of XF86Config-4 that would screw up if I edit it by hand? |
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| 00:07.27 | UncleSkunk | a something?? oops |
| 00:08.09 | thingfish | UncleSkunk: kinda |
| 00:08.20 | thingfish | !tell UncleSkunk about xmd5 |
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| 00:08.57 | UncleSkunk | thingfish: thanks mate |
| 00:09.04 | thingfish | sure think, pal |
| 00:09.14 | thingfish | aack *thing |
| 00:09.47 | Stevie | where would the appropriate place be to set the default LANG ? |
| 00:10.13 | azeem | Stevie: /etc/environment or your ~/.bash* files |
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| 00:11.30 | magyar | anyone using SATA and SCSI RAID in one system? |
| 00:11.47 | magyar | sata is only for storage |
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| 00:12.43 | magyar | !hi |
| 00:12.43 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
| 00:12.54 | jilocasin | evening all |
| 00:13.23 | Stevie | azeem: Thanks |
| 00:13.30 | initard | I'm having difficulty with X, i reconfigured it three times with diferent utilities. what i get is the command prompt login screen goes black three times for about three seconds each time then it goes to a blue and red sort of install screen telling me it X is screwed up and will be disabled until i can fix it, every time. I ran it the first time chrooted from ubuntu part into debian part and backed out on login screen cuz i thought it would freeze up, |
| 00:13.30 | thingfish | !greet jilocasin |
| 00:13.31 | initard | and thats as far as i've gotten, the next time i logged into debian and three times after that i get the "failure to load core utilities" error. any ideas? |
| 00:13.31 | dpkg | Gr33tz, jilocasin |
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| 00:14.06 | initard | i dont know how that came out in two entries, i didnt paste that |
| 00:14.20 | thingfish | initard: do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86(or -xorg) and set up your hardware correctly. |
| 00:14.31 | jilocasin | Question to anyone in the know: Running Etch (debian testing) and just did my usual apt-get update apt-get update. Funny thing, Konq became my default browser (was Firefox) and evolution became my default email client (was Thunderbird) anyone know what's up with that? |
| 00:14.41 | thingfish | god initard, you've had a fucked up installation from the get-go. |
| 00:15.41 | initard | thingfish, i know, i make shit harder than its got to be, the last time i messed with linux was like ten years ago trying to compile slack from source, i never got good at that but i'm stuck in that rut perhaps |
| 00:16.04 | thingfish | initard: yeah, well time to learn another approach maybe hmm? |
| 00:16.09 | azeem | initard: start with figuring out the error message |
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| 00:16.55 | thingfish | initard: my martial arts teacher a long time ago taught me to go with the path of least resistance. It is an approach that has worked wonderfully for me over the years. |
| 00:17.10 | initard | it couldnt be cuz i'm running config from ubuntu could it> |
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| 00:17.26 | azeem | what do you mean running config from ubuntu? |
| 00:17.31 | initard | thingfish, yeah, thats taoism |
| 00:17.31 | cafuego | marital arts teacher? |
| 00:17.52 | initard | azeem, i chroot into my debian partition |
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| 00:18.03 | thingfish | a regular tree meets the hurricane-force winds, and breaks and is uprooted because of the winds. a palm tree, which is flexible, bends under the winds' stresses, and survives. |
| 00:18.04 | r_marvin | how can i purge config files from an uninstalled package without apt-get install/purge ? |
| 00:18.17 | cafuego | r_marvin: dpkg -P <package> |
| 00:18.20 | thingfish | initard: :) |
| 00:18.33 | azeem | initard: and then? |
| 00:18.36 | parsonsd | initard -- wasn't linux v0.9 nice? i think i had a similar experience.... |
| 00:18.47 | thingfish | initard: you know it then, it only remains to follow it. |
| 00:19.11 | r_marvin | cafuego: thanks, didn't occur to me that it will work :) |
| 00:19.13 | initard | azeem, then i run the config |
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| 00:19.20 | anabain | Stevie, /mnt/home/joan/.kde# ls -ld . returns this: drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2006-04-12 01:40 . It's drwx, then... |
| 00:19.27 | azeem | initard: "the config"ß? |
| 00:19.37 | azeem | initard: please be more specific |
| 00:19.49 | cafuego | r_marvin: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | sudo xargs dpkg -P |
| 00:19.55 | initard | first time i ran the apt-get wholeshabang.deb |
| 00:20.00 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:20.09 | initard | and then started gdm from chroot |
| 00:20.22 | cafuego | r_marvin: handy decruftifying one-liner :-) |
| 00:20.23 | r_marvin | cafuego: not yet, i still have stuff i need :) |
| 00:20.24 | azeem | initard: are you running X on Ubuntu as well? |
| 00:20.26 | thingfish | how many people and how many days is it going to take, initard? |
| 00:20.27 | azeem | at the same time? |
| 00:20.28 | Squall` | I'm trying to build a kernel module for the kernel I installed when I installed debian, so I installed the kernel source, but the module said it was unconfigured and no version.h was present. How do I get the configured source for the kernel I'm using? |
| 00:20.43 | r_marvin | just discovered dpigs and "wajig large" :) |
| 00:20.55 | initard | azeem i'm runnin x on ubuntu right now, its my net connection |
| 00:20.57 | r_marvin | but thanks for the tip |
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| 00:21.16 | azeem | initard: you can't run two X servers on the same virtual terminal AFAIK |
| 00:21.29 | gravity | X :1 |
| 00:21.31 | azeem | initard: you will need to configure Debian's gdm to start on vt8 for example |
| 00:21.33 | azeem | or that |
| 00:21.36 | gravity | :-) |
| 00:22.03 | azeem | initard: there's a section on how to start X from a chroot in the developer's reference I think |
| 00:22.24 | RazaMetaL | hi,, |
| 00:22.37 | thingfish | this is all too difficult for me. I think I'm going back to philosophy. |
| 00:22.40 | RazaMetaL | how can I make my own .deb file from the .tar.gz file ? |
| 00:22.42 | initard | azeem, i figured i just thought i'd try it cuz im smart like that and it was going nicely, then when it got to the login screen i backed out and just shutdown, then rebooted and the errors began |
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| 00:23.06 | azeem | initard: you rebooted into Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 00:23.16 | initard | into debian |
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| 00:23.21 | azeem | initard: and Debian's gdm just came up like that before? |
| 00:23.30 | ice_1963 | what is a good terminal to use in gnome for irssi? |
| 00:23.38 | azeem | ice_1963: gnome-terminal |
| 00:24.01 | initard | it tried to load an x login screen i think, it flashed black three times like it wanted to start the gui login then reported errors |
| 00:24.05 | ice_1963 | that's it |
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| 00:24.35 | thingfish | I wonder why there's not a Debian chaplain. After all, it is way more godly to run a free o.s. than an obviously satanic o.s. like others that will go unmentioned. and someone needs to be around to help the faithful. |
| 00:24.48 | azeem | initard: that was when you started gdm from the chroot, or when booting into it? |
| 00:25.01 | initard | i think i have my hardware setup just fine, it made it to the initial login |
| 00:25.23 | azeem | graphical login? |
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| 00:25.31 | parsonsd | everytime i try to start my box running 2.6, it tells me that the partitions that i have as /hda,b,c are not valid ext2 partitions (they shouldn't be, they're ext3) -- since it loads the scsi (root) partition, i expect they are loaded as modules; how do i go about getting the same modules that i loaded when i installed the original 2.4 kernel? |
| 00:25.49 | notgod | quick question. How do I find what version(release) of debian a system is running? |
| 00:26.01 | azeem | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:26.01 | jilocasin | thingfish: that would defend on your definition of 'godly' I think we have enough 'religious wars' (see gnome|kde, etc.) already, don't you.. ;) |
| 00:26.02 | initard | booting into it is when it initially tells about the errors, then trying gdm from plain nonchroot comprompt it says gdm already running |
| 00:26.28 | azeem | initard: ok, is gdm actually coming up correclty with the login prompt once? |
| 00:26.33 | initard | azeem i then killall gdm and try again and it does the same sequence from the boot |
| 00:26.37 | notgod | jilocasin: that just says 'testing/unstable' |
| 00:26.37 | thingfish | jilocasin: I probably erred in trying to make too much sense. |
| 00:26.44 | cafuego | Godly, by definition, would be what I, a god, run. |
| 00:26.47 | initard | gdm did the time i chroot booted |
| 00:26.51 | azeem | notgod: then check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:26.59 | azeem | initard: chroot booted? |
| 00:27.03 | azeem | what does that mean? |
| 00:27.03 | initard | chroot same as how i installed it |
| 00:27.09 | initard | yeahg |
| 00:27.20 | initard | i was installing it through a terminal |
| 00:27.23 | thingfish | cafuego: now that's the spirit! :) |
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| 00:27.28 | initard | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.41 | initard | i'm gonna chroot again and try it again |
| 00:27.46 | initard | brb |
| 00:27.48 | micket | fglrx insists on using 1280*1024 even though i have written in xorg.conf to use 1280*800. Is there anywhere fglrx stores these values for resolutions? |
| 00:28.00 | Lamperi | xgl is so beautiful :) |
| 00:28.05 | notgod | azeem: I am looking for an answer that gives me a result like 'sarge' or '2.1' or something that is listen on http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:28.10 | gravity | I need to work on that too |
| 00:28.55 | azeem | notgod: those are released version, you're running a version still in development |
| 00:29.11 | thingfish | empathy for the poor...the environment...you know |
| 00:29.13 | azeem | notgod: sources.list will either reference testing or unstable, so then you know which one it is |
| 00:29.32 | thingfish | ok sorry channel, enough of this, on to seriousness. |
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| 00:29.44 | thingfish | after all american idol is on. |
| 00:29.50 | asg | thingfish: alms for a poor ex-leper? |
| 00:29.54 | notgod | azeem: I came into this company, and they have some version of debian that has a kernel compiled from 2002 |
| 00:29.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:30.13 | thingfish | asg: I shake what remains of your hand. |
| 00:30.30 | azeem | notgod: checking the version of libc6 is usually a good measure to figure out the version as well |
| 00:31.08 | notgod | azeem: and how can I do that? :) |
| 00:31.11 | asg | thingfish: cowsay -f stimpy ren meet stumpy |
| 00:31.16 | azeem | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:31.16 | dpkg | ii libc6 | tail -1 3.8-5.2 azeem's private gamp collection |
| 00:31.17 | thingfish | hahaha |
| 00:31.36 | azeem | notgod: ^^ |
| 00:31.53 | notgod | azeem: 2.3.2.ds1-11 |
| 00:32.02 | azeem | that's pre-sarge |
| 00:32.19 | azeem | notgod: put `stable' into sources.list and run apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:32.29 | azeem | eh, and apt-get update before that |
| 00:32.41 | notgod | azeem: how much stuff will break when I do that? |
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| 00:33.54 | azeem | notgod: dunno |
| 00:34.02 | notgod | azeem: thanks, I will dig arund the docs on the debian site. |
| 00:34.07 | azeem | notgod: just leave the box as-is if there is no reason to update |
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| 00:34.11 | azeem | hrm |
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| 00:35.37 | thingfish | I wish I could throw a big Debian picnic and cook you all a big batch of my fried chicken. |
| 00:35.51 | asg | thingfish: I'll bring the beer |
| 00:35.57 | GCA | Alguém sabe como faz para carregar o driver de um raid na instalação do debian?? |
| 00:35.57 | thingfish | plus I make killer vodka lemonade. |
| 00:36.09 | UncleSkunk | Im in |
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| 00:36.17 | azeem | !br |
| 00:36.17 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:36.18 | thingfish | GCA: debian-br |
| 00:36.34 | GCA | anybody knows how set a driver for a raid on debian instalation? |
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| 00:37.41 | asg | GCA: google for 'linux raid software howto' |
| 00:37.56 | dvs | hallo |
| 00:38.46 | thingfish | and the vodka lemonade recipe is open source! |
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| 00:40.45 | asg | thingfish: is there anything in it besides vodka and lemonade? |
| 00:41.02 | thingfish | asg: I'm serious, it's really good. |
| 00:41.24 | asg | thingfish: I agree |
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| 00:42.15 | thingfish | really, really good. you take a gallon jar. fill it with ice. pour in a fifth of vodka. slice up about 6 lemons and put the slices in the jar. juice about another 6 lemons and put the juice in the jar. add a good cup of sugar. shake up, let sit for 24 hours. |
| 00:42.33 | AngelGabriel | is it possible for me to get a system to show me it's current RSA key? |
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| 00:42.49 | asg | thingfish: a lightweight PJ for patient people; sounds good though. |
| 00:42.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:43.01 | thingfish | you the man |
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| 00:43.39 | asg | !tell LBRT about root |
| 00:44.04 | thingfish | asg: it works good for a bar, though, because you can make tons of it before hand and afford to keep it for a day or so, then sell it for 2.50 a pop. |
| 00:44.13 | thingfish | and it's like dirt cheap to make. |
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| 00:44.37 | UncleSkunk | thingfish: booo thats mean |
| 00:44.39 | thingfish | and tasty, and fucks you up. |
| 00:44.40 | asg | thingfish: too true |
| 00:45.16 | thingfish | plus, too, hell - it's healthy - all the vitamin C. :) |
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| 00:46.36 | thingfish | and the alcohol makes sure that valuable vitamin C gets right into your system. |
| 00:46.36 | dvs | forget the liver! ;-) |
| 00:47.02 | thingfish | dvs: well moderation, my friend. |
| 00:47.19 | thingfish | I mean, you don't have to drink 6 of them. |
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| 00:47.28 | morph_ | I've been tring all day to boot off a 2G memory stick with no luck can someone point me in the direction of some help |
| 00:47.58 | dvs | morph_: To install Debian? |
| 00:48.10 | morph_ | yes to install Debian |
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| 00:48.23 | dvs | morph_: Look at the installation guide |
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| 00:49.39 | morph_ | I tried the info on GRUB and I get a Kenel Panic message |
| 00:50.31 | Stevie | eh? |
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| 00:51.36 | thingfish | sometimes the things I read in here don't make much sense. |
| 00:52.09 | dvs | !confuse thingfish |
| 00:52.09 | dpkg | No, where is our ferret yesterday, thingfish? wellies of the monarchy of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 00:52.11 | thingfish | of couse, that could be because of my extensive lack of knowledge. but then, other times...I don't think so. |
| 00:52.34 | thingfish | I love those !confuse things. they're almost conceptual art. |
| 00:52.53 | thingfish | I don't think yoko ono could've done better. |
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| 00:54.22 | initard | azeem, i tried it from chroot and it said 'gdm already running' then killall gdm and tried running it again and it froze up |
| 00:54.42 | azeem | froze up how? |
| 00:54.47 | azeem | the whole system is frozen? |
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| 00:54.58 | initard | no cursor, no mouse no keyboard nothing |
| 00:54.59 | thingfish | <sigh> |
| 00:55.13 | initard | had to hardboot |
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| 00:55.39 | gravity | initard: Do you have a radeon? |
| 00:55.58 | initard | dont think so, this is a 366 laptop |
| 00:56.05 | gravity | Ok |
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| 00:57.06 | Dunedan | Does anybody have problems with Xorg 7.0 and the binary nvidia graphic driver? |
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| 00:58.02 | thingfish | you know, if there were a #sarge channel, not much at all would be happening on it. |
| 00:58.06 | resiak | Have you checked the BTS? |
| 00:58.07 | initard | i dont think i messed up on hardware settings in the install or config either, cuz it made it to the graphical login screen just fine |
| 00:58.19 | AngelG | Can I bridge 2 NICs that are in one machine, so that two diffrent subnets act as one? |
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| 00:59.09 | azeem | initard: when did it made it there fine? |
| 00:59.11 | azeem | on ubuntu? |
| 00:59.22 | dvs | AngelG: It's called bonding. I've never done it though. |
| 00:59.39 | stew | dvs: that's not bonding |
| 00:59.52 | dvs | stew: Isn't it? Then what is it called? |
| 00:59.57 | initard | i was on ubuntu chrooted in a terminal into my debian partition, installed everything and then typed gdm before logging out of ubuntu |
| 01:00.01 | stew | dvs: bridging |
| 01:00.14 | dvs | stew: Ah. sorry |
| 01:00.17 | stew | dvs: bonding would not involve 2 different subnets |
| 01:00.41 | initard | it went full screen load up for debian gdm and i backed out of it before logging in |
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| 01:01.00 | azeem | initard: where you running Ubuntu in X back then? |
| 01:01.09 | initard | azeem, yes |
| 01:01.28 | azeem | I've no idea how this would work |
| 01:01.33 | azeem | anyway, I'm off to bed now, sorry |
| 01:01.37 | initard | x ubuntu, opened terminal, chrooted to debian partition, load....lol |
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| 01:02.26 | stew | AngelG: install bridge-utils and read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils ; hopefully there is a good README.Debian in there |
| 01:02.37 | AngelG | Thanks stew |
| 01:02.38 | gravity | ruh-roh |
| 01:02.48 | initard | ok, you know what i want to do? i want to apt-get remove allxwindowstuffthatsnotloading.deb but i dont know what it's called |
| 01:02.52 | dvs | gravity: rastro! |
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| 01:03.18 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here use wine on etch? |
| 01:03.20 | thingfish | good night azeem - thanks for op-ing for us. |
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| 01:05.03 | Thanatermesis | stew ping |
| 01:05.11 | stew | pong |
| 01:05.26 | Thanatermesis | stew do you know any thing for the "ipod" automount in ivman ? |
| 01:05.43 | stew | Thanatermesis: send me an ipod and i'll figure it out :) |
| 01:06.02 | Thanatermesis | hahahaha, this is also what i need for make it working :/ |
| 01:06.12 | Thanatermesis | speaking by IRC with a person to has a ipod not is very easy :/ |
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| 01:06.31 | stew | Thanatermesis: what is going on? its just not getting mounted? |
| 01:06.36 | foo | The files in /etc/rc2.d/ start up on the system reboot, right? How can I tell what runlevel I am in? |
| 01:06.41 | nicholas | gravity: progress! after removing "gtk2-engines-industrial", I can now launch xterm! |
| 01:06.46 | deadcat | foo: runlevel |
| 01:06.54 | nicholas | gravity: and Mozilla! |
| 01:06.55 | stew | Thanatermesis: have him look for the device in "hal-devices | less" and make sure should_mount is set to true |
| 01:07.01 | foo | deadcat: ah, thanks |
| 01:07.18 | stew | Thanatermesis: err hal-device not hal-devices |
| 01:07.21 | gravity | Interesting |
| 01:07.30 | foo | I am in runlevel 2.. and I have a bash script in /etc/init.d/, and I made a symlink to it in /etc/rc2.d/ ... but the file did not get started upon boot up. Any ideas? Hmm. |
| 01:07.33 | gravity | nicholas: Sounds like bits of gnome need to be rebuilt |
| 01:07.37 | nicholas | gravity: ok, so from the strace, I can see that programs were looking through the Industrial cursor theme |
| 01:07.46 | Thanatermesis | exact, im not sure why, all looks correct, the "policy" of you have speaked me the another day for make the things mounting looks good (storage.bus = ieee1394), this is the info of the ipod, and this line is included in this policy stew |
| 01:07.51 | nicholas | gravity: I guess. |
| 01:07.52 | gravity | nicholas: Ok, I'll reassign the bug to gtk2-engines-industrial |
| 01:08.01 | nicholas | gravity: Cool. |
| 01:08.02 | Thanatermesis | aha, let me check |
| 01:08.14 | Azar | hmm interesting, new DPL |
| 01:08.20 | asg | foo: look at the script naming conventions in run-parts(8) |
| 01:08.33 | thingfish | Azar: yes, overfiend is now yesterday's news. |
| 01:08.46 | Azar | thingfish: did you read his blog? |
| 01:08.55 | Thanatermesis | btw stew, this is the result of a ivman -d http://pastebin.com/654272 |
| 01:08.57 | thingfish | Azar: no |
| 01:08.57 | foo | asg: hmm, thanks. |
| 01:09.01 | stew | Thanatermesis: have him run "ivman --nofork --debug" so that he gets verbose debugging and see why... |
| 01:09.04 | stew | heh |
| 01:09.05 | Azar | thingfish: I am just doing that |
| 01:09.08 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 01:09.14 | thingfish | Azar: link? |
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| 01:09.28 | Azar | thingfish: http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2006/04/12#2006-04-11-maintainers |
| 01:09.46 | thingfish | Azar: thanks |
| 01:09.47 | stew | Thanatermesis: yeah, that is the "should_mount" policy |
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| 01:10.27 | nicholas | gravity: it also becomes a critical bug as it breaks unrelated software. |
| 01:10.42 | foo | asg: hmm, it's run-parts --test to see what scripts should run at boot, right? --test isn't working. The man page has a solid line. hmm. |
| 01:10.52 | thingfish | Azar: darn, I don't see anything about a plan to annihilate all red hat users... |
| 01:10.54 | bob_boy | did an update today and lost the update took out xgl |
| 01:10.56 | gravity | nicholas: Ok, well if you want to bump the severity that's fine. It's out of my hands now. |
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| 01:11.15 | nicholas | gravity: right. and thanks. |
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| 01:11.20 | gravity | No problem |
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| 01:11.50 | plugwash | what exactly does the off that seems to have been added to the package name of libmysqlclient15 mean? |
| 01:11.54 | EruditeHermit | is anyone else having problems with libc6 update today? |
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| 01:12.45 | asg | foo: it depends on how you view it. In less, --test is what is displayed |
| 01:12.50 | bob_boy | xorg updateded itself up to 7.0 and took out my nvidia |
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| 01:13.33 | stew | plugwash: http://changelogs.debian.net/mysql-dfsg-5.0 |
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| 01:14.30 | foo | asg: oh, whoops. I was missing an argument. I do run-parts --test /etc/rc2.d/ and I grep for my script ... and it shows.. so does that mean it should startup on boot? It's not. hmm. |
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| 01:14.32 | asg | bob_boy: reinstall your nvidia then |
| 01:14.35 | torham | my windows key doesn't work anymore since xorg 7.0, anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:14.38 | hedpe_ | can anyone help me build an old version of iproute2? I am getting a error building from an implicit declaration warning: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yIYvJ968.html |
| 01:14.41 | cshaman | ahoy everyone |
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| 01:14.44 | Thanatermesis | stew then, if this person has this policy, is all correct, yes ? |
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| 01:15.42 | Azar | thingfish: haha |
| 01:15.43 | asg | foo: that does mean that it should. I'd suggest putting 'logger hey its me' after the shebang line and see if the 'hey its me' line shows in /var/log/syslog. If it does, there is a problem with your script. |
| 01:15.45 | bob_boy | torham that's what happen to me |
| 01:15.46 | cshaman | is there a way to seperate the hidden files (the ones for configuration of my programs) of my home directory from my home dir files by putting them in a directory such as ~/.config? |
| 01:15.59 | cshaman | i've seen some program configuration files using a directory such as that |
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| 01:16.21 | cshaman | for instance, i could put all my rc files and conf files in one directory so they are seperate and organized |
| 01:16.26 | asg | cshaman: just don't use ls -la and you won't see them |
| 01:16.27 | Noboru | does anyone know if gmail support smtp ? |
| 01:16.46 | asg | Noboru: if it didn't, you wouldn't be able to send mail to it |
| 01:16.55 | stew | Thanatermesis: yes, he should edit /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi and merge a 'volume.policy.shoud_mount' = true policy for that storage.bus |
| 01:16.56 | initard | exit |
| 01:16.58 | initard | quit |
| 01:17.02 | asg | initard: /part |
| 01:17.02 | dvs | !exit |
| 01:17.02 | stew | Thanatermesis: you have the syntax for that, right? |
| 01:17.02 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 01:17.07 | Noboru | asg, oh |
| 01:17.29 | asg | Noboru: or do you mean 'does gmail support remote retrieval using pop3 or imap4?' |
| 01:17.54 | Noboru | i need a working smtp server to send emails in my forum |
| 01:18.00 | Noboru | i have gmail account |
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| 01:18.49 | stew | Noboru: you mean smtp.gmail.com ? |
| 01:19.03 | Noboru | stew, i'm not sure |
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| 01:19.17 | asg | Noboru: Debian comes with a working SMTP server out of the box. It's called exim |
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| 01:19.27 | EruditeHermit | I get the following error when upgrading to todays libc6 |
| 01:19.28 | EruditeHermit | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fppr3969.html |
| 01:19.39 | asg | EruditeHermit: did you check the bts? |
| 01:19.41 | EruditeHermit | can anyone confirm this? |
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| 01:20.08 | bob_boy | todays updates screw a lot odf machines |
| 01:20.11 | stew | EruditeHermit: /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:20.14 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 01:20.22 | EruditeHermit | so its a known issue? |
| 01:20.31 | asg | bob_boy: welcome to unstable. Don't run it if this is a problem. |
| 01:20.46 | stew | EruditeHermit: i don't know, but i can guarantee that if we knew about a libc6 bug, we would have put it into the bts |
| 01:20.57 | Noboru | asg, i see |
| 01:21.25 | bob_boy | asg compiz is lie cats meow |
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| 01:21.36 | EruditeHermit | bugs.d.o is down for me |
| 01:21.40 | EruditeHermit | which is why I ask |
| 01:21.50 | stew | "down for me"? |
| 01:21.55 | asg | fine here |
| 01:21.58 | asg | !confuse bob_boy |
| 01:21.58 | dpkg | No, them are my snake tomorrow, bob_boy? wellies of the republic of mongolia with extra cream |
| 01:22.05 | stew | EruditeHermit: apt-get install querybts |
| 01:22.10 | gravity | bob_boy: compiz isn't in unstable |
| 01:22.22 | bob_boy | i like unstable |
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| 01:23.35 | bob_boy | i guess i'll just have to wait for more updates |
| 01:23.54 | asg | bob_boy: or work on a fix and submit a patch |
| 01:23.58 | Thanatermesis | stew yes, i have the syntax... and normally this person has this correct, this is why i look this strange... but let me check it and i tell you what happens :) |
| 01:24.27 | refa33s | hello, just upgraded my debian to xorg 7.0 and it seems some install locations are different and the nvidia files aren't installed in the correct places. any tips? |
| 01:24.36 | stew | Thanatermesis: and this is hal 0.5.7, right? |
| 01:24.58 | foo | asg: Good idea. Thanks |
| 01:25.02 | asg | gravity: :) I'd be hiding tonight |
| 01:25.09 | gravity | asg: I'm working on stuff |
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| 01:25.21 | gravity | I've broken the nvidia drivers before and I'm sure I'll do it again |
| 01:25.26 | asg | gravity: and doing a good job |
| 01:25.30 | gravity | Thanks :-) |
| 01:25.33 | JordiGH | How can I increase the size of fonts in Firefox? |
| 01:25.39 | wakejagr | i seem to have gpm working with a ps/2 mouse (I can cut and paste), but i can't get mev to work or interact with elinks/mc/etc. is there something else i need to get working? |
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| 01:26.02 | wakejagr | JordiGH: ctrl and + or - changes the font size |
| 01:26.04 | stew | gravity loves proprietary drivers, he just breaks them so he can experience the joy of debugging them |
| 01:26.10 | asg | JordiGH: Edit -> Preferences (one of the tabs depending on the version you are running) |
| 01:26.12 | gravity | totally |
| 01:26.31 | JordiGH | wakejagr: Ok, but what about fonts in the toolbars? |
| 01:26.52 | wakejagr | JordiGH: ah, got me there :) |
| 01:27.00 | asg | JordiGH: edit your DPI setting (either a custom one in the preferences) or set -dpi 75 or -dpi 100 in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 01:27.25 | Thanatermesis | stew i think, yes |
| 01:27.27 | asg | JordiGH: if you use a *dm like gdm or kdm, you'll have to customize the -dpi in whatever configuration file they provide |
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| 01:27.36 | JordiGH | asg: Oh, I thought it was in /etc/X11/xorg.conf I'll try that instead. |
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| 01:28.26 | sgssg | how do I print directly to a printer port? |
| 01:28.43 | JordiGH | Hm, xserverrc already reads: |
| 01:28.45 | JordiGH | exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 01:29.01 | jilocasin | I'm have a minor brain lockup, can anyone remind me of the command to rename a bunch of files from the command line? |
| 01:29.06 | asg | sgssg: echo foo | nc host 515 |
| 01:29.23 | asg | jilocasin: rename(1) |
| 01:29.42 | sgssg | whats nc? |
| 01:29.43 | JordiGH | asg: And xorg.conf also already loads 100dpi and 75dpi. :( |
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| 01:29.59 | Azar | all new games releases go to unstable :( does sarge adopt games, or they are frozen as well? |
| 01:30.07 | JordiGH | Is my resolution too small? 1280x1024. |
| 01:30.08 | asg | JordiGH: those are the available fonts, the default is set with the -dpi option in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your *dm's config file. |
| 01:30.21 | wakejagr | sgssg: netcat - you can use it to test network connections, since it can act as a server or client |
| 01:31.07 | JordiGH | Would that be kdmrc? |
| 01:31.08 | jilocasin | asg: OK, but is there any way without resorting to perl expresions? |
| 01:31.33 | sgssg | ahh.. |
| 01:31.43 | asg | jilocasin: rename(1) == man 1 rename (section 1 of the manual) == man rename (section 1 is the default) |
| 01:31.45 | lcore | mass rename ? |
| 01:31.58 | JordiGH | Azar: I think wesnoth is already in Sarge. |
| 01:32.03 | jilocasin | asg: yep got that, it says I need to supply a perlexp |
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| 01:32.22 | lcore | jilocasin: mrename |
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| 01:32.49 | jilocasin | lcore: yep. I.e. For %i in (*.foo) ren %i %~fi.bar |
| 01:32.51 | r_marvin | jilocasin: you could write a quick one-liner with find -exec , but it might get a whole lot uglier |
| 01:33.00 | r_marvin | not ren, mv |
| 01:33.03 | bucky | !seen mhall |
| 01:33.03 | dpkg | mhall <n=mhall@unaffiliated/mhall> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 19h 42m 3s ago, saying: 'dos000: correct; it tracks server fingerprints for security reasons'. |
| 01:33.23 | jilocasin | r_marvin: I tried mv but it keeps complainingthat the destination isn't a directory |
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| 01:33.40 | asg | !mhallsmite bucky |
| 01:34.06 | asg | jilocasin: try #bash or the #bash FAQ at wooledge.org |
| 01:34.14 | r_marvin | jilocasin: make sure mv has only 2 arguments |
| 01:34.23 | bucky | asg: did mhall survive his sinus infection that was oozing puss from his eyeball? |
| 01:34.34 | r_marvin | if it has more than 2, you need a directory at the end |
| 01:34.34 | jilocasin | mv *.foo *.bar -> complains that *.bar is't a directory |
| 01:34.39 | awstott^n | anyone know what I can't change the resolution from 640x480? I tried editing the conf file to add the other values, but I can't even get 800x600 which is there by default. |
| 01:34.46 | r_marvin | but with rename, is much easier :) |
| 01:34.53 | asg | jilocasin: the basic construct is "for i in $(*.foo) ; do mv $i $i.bar ; done" |
| 01:34.54 | awstott^n | I am just using the vesa driver for video |
| 01:35.00 | wooya510 | l |
| 01:35.34 | r_marvin | asg: this might create *.foo.bar files, which might not be what he wants |
| 01:35.44 | r_marvin | s/might/will |
| 01:35.45 | asg | r_marvin: that's why I said 'basic construct' |
| 01:35.52 | r_marvin | oh, right :) |
| 01:35.57 | asg | r_marvin: he can tailor the renaming bit with various bashisms |
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| 01:36.20 | r_marvin | replacing the perl tegexp with a sed regexp, probably |
| 01:36.23 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here k3b to burn DVDs? |
| 01:36.23 | r_marvin | big deal |
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| 01:36.36 | Azar | awstott^n: you never edit the conf file, you perform dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg if you have that instead) |
| 01:36.40 | asg | r_marvin: better just to use a Perl regex and rename(1) |
| 01:36.50 | awstott^n | I tried that too... |
| 01:37.06 | awstott^n | selected intel 810 chipset and it came up with no screens when I restarted gdm |
| 01:37.16 | r_marvin | yes, my life has been so much easier after discovering rename(1) |
| 01:37.39 | Azar | awstott^n: you should know you are given two consecutive options: one is for PREFERRED resolution, the second one is for ADDITIONAL resolutions. Do it again |
| 01:37.39 | jilocasin | asg thanks |
| 01:37.44 | asg | jilocasin: you're welcome |
| 01:37.57 | r_marvin | i'm not sure how it handles non-existent target directories, though |
| 01:38.13 | r_marvin | they should probably be pre-created with mkdir -p |
| 01:38.21 | jilocasin | asg: spent soo many year with dos shell scripts, I tend to tkae it for granted. Learning python, I guess I should learn bash as well..... |
| 01:38.21 | asg | bucky: since he seemed impressed a few days ago with my beer consumption, I'd expect that he is in good health and doing well. |
| 01:38.48 | asg | jilocasin: if you are more comfortable with Python, you can do it easily with a simple homebrew script too |
| 01:39.21 | Azar | gah I forgot how to type text |
| 01:39.39 | hedpe_ | can anyone help me build an old version of iproute2? I am getting a error building from an implicit declaration warning: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yIYvJ968.html |
| 01:39.53 | jilocasin | Doe sanyone know why todays apt-get update apt-get upgrade reset my default applications? |
| 01:40.15 | Azar | uh what applications? |
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| 01:40.38 | initard | thingfish, hehehe, i |
| 01:40.47 | jilocasin | Azar: default web browser becam Konq (was Firefox), default email became evolution (was Thunderbird) |
| 01:40.48 | initard | im having no luck |
| 01:41.20 | Azar | jilocasin: strange the update/upgrade is only fixing your security issues |
| 01:41.35 | jilocasin | Azar: I'm runing Etch |
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| 01:41.49 | esca | moin moin |
| 01:41.50 | Azar | jilocasin: ah.... damn no security updates |
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| 01:42.08 | jilocasin | Azar:it usually doesn't reset my defaults.... |
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| 01:42.25 | jilocasin | Azar: any way yo remove epiphany without all of Gnome? |
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| 01:42.44 | initard | maybe it is the hardware, but ubuntu had no problem finding any of my hardware exept for my pci wireless card... is there a file i could swap from ubuntu to debian or maybe at least have a file with all my ubuntu hardware settings to refer to while i config x for debian? |
| 01:42.58 | Azar | jilocasin: honestly, I have an old configuration of debian , running Sarge with no xdm/gdm.. sorry |
| 01:43.20 | jilocasin | Does anyone know how to remove evolution & epiphany without all of gnome? |
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| 01:43.51 | jilocasin | Azar: that's ok |
| 01:44.06 | Azar | initard: I guess you can't swap files from one OS to another |
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| 01:45.04 | initard | Azar, yeah i doubt i could do that, but i want a file with all my hardware settings to look at while i run xblah blahconfig |
| 01:45.04 | p1u70 | how to remove gnustep-tool-wrapper gnustep-app-wrapper ???thx |
| 01:45.21 | jilocasin | oh well |
| 01:45.23 | Azar | initard: lspci will list all hardware devices it could find. |
| 01:45.25 | initard | ubuntu x is working great, why cant debian do it? |
| 01:45.30 | jilocasin | bye all and thanks |
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| 01:45.38 | hedpe_ | i keeping getting the error "Cannot exec : No such file or directory." when trying to open a program in gdb, i know for a fact the program file name i am missing exists ... however when i do "file program_name", it loads the symbols properly, its just as soon as i type "run" that it throws me the error |
| 01:45.53 | initard | lspci doesnt have settings for mouse and monitor refresh crap like that |
| 01:46.00 | initard | thats where my errors ar |
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| 01:46.12 | Azar | initard: you have to find your video driver name, make sure you have X server installed, then install your video driver |
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| 01:46.37 | initard | Azar, i have that |
| 01:46.50 | Azar | initard: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg) will help you configure for mouse n stuff |
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| 01:47.21 | initard | Azar, yeah, thats what i've ran about ten times now and still stuff aint workin |
| 01:47.30 | initard | so... |
| 01:47.38 | Azar | oh well |
| 01:48.00 | Azar | thats how I set all my stuff on my box and it works |
| 01:48.01 | cire | today, I upgraded to xserver 7.0, and now my synaptics driver is not recognized any more... xserver fails to start, and tells me that synaptics driver is not known... |
| 01:48.02 | initard | if i can find the settings on my ubuntu, WICH WORKS, i can refer to it while i run the thing again |
| 01:48.10 | initard | this is a laptop |
| 01:48.23 | gravity | cire: There's an updated synaptics package in experimental |
| 01:48.31 | gravity | cire: You can pull that or wait for it to be uploaded to unstable |
| 01:49.14 | initard | fuck this, i'm re installing the whole mother fucker |
| 01:49.38 | initard | one day trying to get x running is too damn much |
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| 01:49.57 | chealer | initard: please watch your language |
| 01:50.01 | initard | my bad |
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| 01:50.52 | initard | sorry yall couldnt solve this one, but thanks for trying |
| 01:50.57 | Azar | not to upset you or something: I spent my first 2 years on Debian without X. |
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| 01:51.21 | r001 | +i |
| 01:51.26 | r001 | eh |
| 01:52.12 | initard | Azar, good for you, i have a special situation here that requires two operating systems on this laptop, |
| 01:52.13 | Azar | .. only because I don't have much time for study, so I took it easy.. |
| 01:52.14 | cire | gravity: Thank you |
| 01:52.19 | gravity | cire: No problem |
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| 01:52.55 | Azar | everytime I would screw something up -->> back from the beginning and reinstall |
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| 01:53.52 | Azar | only after I fully understood how to install and configure a kernel, a driver, sound.. I ventured to X |
| 01:54.41 | initard | i want to learn command line networking and security but the deal is i dont have a cdburner, so if one system screws up i need to have another to download/store critical files to repair it, i dont have a permanent address either, if you can dig that, |
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| 01:55.04 | r001 | they are pretty cheap aren't they |
| 01:55.11 | r001 | of course, im broke |
| 01:55.32 | Azar | initard: I ordered the Debian CDs, so at any time they are handy |
| 01:55.42 | initard | why should it buy a cd burner for a crappy old 366 laptop and why should i if i dont have too? |
| 01:55.56 | initard | initard, where should i mail them? |
| 01:56.04 | initard | i have no address |
| 01:56.07 | spinelli | will the i386 version of debian work on an AMD64 processor? |
| 01:56.09 | initard | i'm a truck driver |
| 01:56.16 | zinx | spinelli: yes |
| 01:56.32 | initard | and like i said, why should i if i dont have to? |
| 01:56.36 | r001 | initard: oh okay, a laptop |
| 01:56.38 | slinn | how do you recieve cheques without a fixed address? |
| 01:56.38 | spinelli | zinx: thank you |
| 01:56.50 | r001 | initard: it's your choice, just wondering aloud |
| 01:56.59 | nachoguy | spinelli: there is a mostly stable sarge amd64 port |
| 01:57.53 | initard | believe me i've weighed all my options, i could just put another copy of ubuntu on the other partition, but how lame would that be? |
| 01:57.56 | initard | maybe i'll try SuSe |
| 01:58.07 | r001 | linux is very slow while accessing web pages. i have to use dillo to get speed above 26.6 kbps modem links. i'm on dsl... and windows accesses the net fast... |
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| 01:58.40 | Azar | r001: you are hillarious: your statement not true for me |
| 01:58.52 | r001 | azar: okay, but it is for me =( |
| 01:58.55 | Azar | first of all you do not access websites with linux |
| 01:59.06 | r001 | while on linux, fine |
| 01:59.09 | Azar | linux is not a browser last time I checked |
| 01:59.11 | r001 | though firefox |
| 01:59.19 | initard | its ok, thanks for trying |
| 01:59.21 | r001 | you must have linux don't you? |
| 01:59.43 | r001 | therefore, i'm using linux to access the internet. plus the browser is implied and shown with dillo |
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| 01:59.59 | Azar | it depends of the browser you are using and how you configured it: IE with disabled activeX and JS is way slower than firefox |
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| 02:00.27 | initard | does anybody know what file dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg writes? |
| 02:00.38 | r001 | azar:internet explorer = IE? and that's slower than firefox with that stuff disabled? |
| 02:00.50 | r001 | can you help me =( |
| 02:00.55 | Azar | initard: its giving you the option to tell it what your options/preferences/hardware are |
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| 02:00.58 | thingfish | initard: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:01.06 | nachoguy | initard: maybe /etc/X11/xorg.conf dpkg -L xserver-xorg may give you a hint |
| 02:01.09 | dvs | initard: and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.md5 |
| 02:01.24 | frank_farmer | Newbie question: I want to see which packages two of my debian boxes have installed in common. I figure it'd be best to dump lists to files, and diff. My question: How can I get a list of installed packages? |
| 02:01.25 | nachoguy | they md5 your xorg.conf now? |
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| 02:01.35 | nachoguy | frank_farmer: dpkg -l |
| 02:01.38 | gravity | No, not any more |
| 02:01.39 | frank_farmer | Thank you! |
| 02:02.13 | r001 | azar: can you help me get firefox to work faster? |
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| 02:10.44 | Stevie | wth is xtables |
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| 02:12.41 | cire | okay, synaptics is working now... but since my upgrade to xserver 7.0 my keyboard has strange behaviour. p.e. I am not able to get the pipe by pressing alt-gr + "<"... |
| 02:12.42 | Mr_Molez | can some one help me get a normal ftp server working on debian ? |
| 02:15.33 | pixolet | Mr_Molez, do you have an ftp server in mind? |
| 02:15.37 | gravity | cire: Install xkb-data and restart the X server |
| 02:15.46 | Mr_Molez | proftp or wsftp either is fine |
| 02:16.01 | Mr_Molez | proftp would be best |
| 02:16.30 | pixolet | Mr_Molez, as root, apt-get install proftpd |
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| 02:18.01 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: ok ive installed it |
| 02:18.05 | cire | gravity: thank you, I'll try this |
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| 02:19.10 | cire | gravity: it works! @ and | are back! |
| 02:19.16 | gravity | :-) |
| 02:19.21 | initard | what would the xorg package be called by apt-get? |
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| 02:19.32 | gravity | initard: What distro? |
| 02:19.37 | thingfish | initard: xserver-xorg |
| 02:19.39 | initard | debian |
| 02:19.45 | gravity | Or rather, what branch of Debian? Sorry |
| 02:19.52 | initard | sarge |
| 02:19.56 | gravity | initard: x-window-system |
| 02:20.00 | thingfish | then not xorg |
| 02:20.11 | pixolet | Mr_Molez, it should be running now, is it working for you? |
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| 02:21.26 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.34 | axolx | hi. how do i run a command as the user name who own the command rather than as the user who's executing it? |
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| 02:21.49 | initard | see, i just figured out that my debian system doesnt have xorg like my ubuntu does...so that may be why everything is happy in ubuntu and disfunctional in debian |
| 02:21.51 | cire | now, the only thing that doesn't work is direct rendering... i810 causes my system to hang on xserver startup, which seems to be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345958. I just hope it isn't my fault... |
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| 02:22.53 | initard | i dont think xorg is on install disk 1 or 2 either |
| 02:23.14 | bucky | initard: xorg is not in sarge |
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| 02:23.35 | bucky | xfree86 is |
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| 02:24.19 | initard | ok, well i have xfree installed, so if i download just the xorg package should it have all the libs and deps already there> |
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| 02:24.44 | veamos | hey |
| 02:24.46 | stew | initard: download xorg package from where? |
| 02:24.52 | bucky | if you say so |
| 02:25.03 | initard | i dunno, where would you go for it? |
| 02:25.08 | pixolet | Mr_Molez, i've never seen that before. have you installed it previously? |
| 02:25.15 | stew | initard: i wouldn't run xorg on sarge |
| 02:25.19 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: yeh :( |
| 02:25.29 | veamos | I've bought a NVidia Geforce mx400 and it doesn't work great on debian |
| 02:25.48 | initard | ok, i'm gonna try xfree one more time before i smash something |
| 02:25.49 | pixolet | try apt-get remove --purge proftpd and then reinstall it |
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| 02:26.06 | apacker | I managed to clobber the users.xml file on opennms. Does anyone have any clue how to fix this? |
| 02:26.13 | stew | initard: what is wrong with xfree now? |
| 02:26.19 | pixolet | Mr_Molez, that *should* get rid of the bad ronfig |
| 02:26.27 | axolx | question: im running Etch and installed bitlbee. it's supposed to run as user bitlbee, but ps -aux shows it running as the user that executes the command. anyone know anything about this? |
| 02:26.37 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: thanks :) |
| 02:26.42 | bucky | initard: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:26.45 | apacker | p.s. removing and reinstalling opennms somehow did NOT lose the screwed up config file... :( :( |
| 02:27.00 | pixolet | Mr_Molez np. i'll take it as it's working now |
| 02:27.09 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: well it works |
| 02:27.10 | apacker | no one has ever used opennms? how about tomcat? |
| 02:27.13 | axolx | should i change the SUID bit? how do i do that? |
| 02:27.14 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: but i cant seem to login |
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| 02:27.26 | veamos | can anybody help me? I've asked something. |
| 02:27.29 | stew | apacker: removing and reinstalling a package is not supposed to touch the config files, you have to purge the package if you want it to remove then reinstall the package |
| 02:27.29 | initard | oh stew, do you know i have ran dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 almost ten times and still havent got it going |
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| 02:27.47 | stew | initard: are you getting an error? |
| 02:27.48 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: are there any files i need to edit to allow ftp for users ? |
| 02:28.02 | gravity | initard: dpkg-reconfigure it and choose the vesa driver. See if that works. |
| 02:28.11 | gravity | It'd be nice to know if the problem is with the driver or elsewhere |
| 02:28.17 | conhe | the what me make fist, install driver of geforce mx-4000 or dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:28.18 | stew | initard: have you touched the config by hand? /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 02:28.22 | gravity | If it's the driver an update would be a good idea |
| 02:28.28 | pixolet | Mr_Molez i don't think there are, only because i didn't have to |
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| 02:28.35 | initard | stew, yeah, not loading a couple font errors, i think some errors for monitor and definitely some mouse errors and last error says simply, failed to load core utilities |
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| 02:28.43 | pixolet | Mr_Molez but that doesn't really help |
| 02:28.53 | gravity | whoa |
| 02:28.56 | initard | Stew not yet... |
| 02:28.58 | stew | initard: put the exact errors in a pastebin so that we can see them |
| 02:29.10 | gravity | initard: Just put the whole logfile in a pastebin please |
| 02:29.11 | apacker | somehow the opennms config file no longer has any carriage returns after being accessed via the web with tomcat? |
| 02:29.26 | initard | stew i'm going to run it this time and refer to my working xorgconfig file |
| 02:29.26 | conhe | any br here? |
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| 02:29.49 | initard | i dont know how to get to the errors unless i run it again and it doesnt work |
| 02:30.07 | pixolet | Mr_Molez what kind of error do you get when you try to log in? |
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| 02:30.28 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: 530 login incorrect |
| 02:30.40 | stew | initard: /var/log/Xfree86.0.log is the log file we are after |
| 02:30.49 | bucky | veamos: geforce is well supported... depending on which version of debian either apt-cache search nvidia and install it or m-a prepare nvidia ; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 02:31.14 | bucky | veamos: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:31.17 | Thanatermesis | stew, sorry for the delay, this person has just back, i look a thing very strange here... you have some minutes ? |
| 02:31.28 | initard | k, just sec |
| 02:31.55 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: the users i made for my chroot can login |
| 02:32.01 | Mr_Molez | pixolet: any ideas ? |
| 02:32.30 | stew | Thanatermesis: sure |
| 02:32.33 | chealer | veamos: what did you ask? |
| 02:33.26 | lcore | How to make find supress error messages like "find: /path: Access denied" |
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| 02:33.50 | pixolet | Mr_Molez not yet, could you pastebin your proftpd.conf ? |
| 02:34.23 | ice_1963 | when installing cup's do i jest instll cupsys or cupsys-bsd ? |
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| 02:35.54 | initard | whats the url for debian pastebin? |
| 02:36.20 | chealer | !tell initard about pastebin |
| 02:36.54 | chealer | ice_1963: depends on what you want to install |
| 02:37.19 | ice_1963 | printer |
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| 02:38.28 | ice_1963 | or jest pritconf |
| 02:38.39 | initard | ok here it is xfree error stew http://pastebin.ca/49115 |
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| 02:40.08 | ice_1963 | if i install cupsys cupsys-bsd and printconf that's it i thak |
| 02:40.17 | bob_boy | later |
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| 02:45.54 | stew | initard: i need the whole log file, that is just the first page of output, there are no errors in it |
| 02:46.06 | initard | ? |
| 02:46.30 | initard | sec |
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| 02:46.45 | initard | theres another with a string of numbers at the end |
| 02:47.17 | stew | there should be pages and pages of more output |
| 02:47.28 | cshaman | anyone know how to use smbclient to recursively download an entire directory? |
| 02:48.04 | initard | no wait, that was somethin different, HOWEVER, there is one that ends in .save and one .old |
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| 02:49.38 | billybob | hey guys, i need a hex editor, any suggestions? |
| 02:49.41 | Daedalus_ | cshaman: recurse; mget * |
| 02:49.55 | stew | billybob: if you are an emacs user m-x hexl-find-file |
| 02:50.04 | mentor | where the feck is the hash key on this keyboard? |
| 02:50.16 | stew | mentor: shift-3 ? |
| 02:50.17 | bronze | right there... |
| 02:50.37 | stew | mentor: xkeycaps ? |
| 02:50.38 | billybob | stew: huh? |
| 02:50.56 | stew | billybob: if you don't use emacs you can ignore my answer |
| 02:51.13 | billybob | stew, alright |
| 02:52.16 | TeknoJuce | stew what kernel does unstable and testing come with out of the box currently? |
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| 02:52.53 | sanxiyn | "... is generally regarded to be close to the cabal which of course does not exist." -- seen on Planet Debian |
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| 02:53.30 | gravity | Ugh |
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| 02:53.41 | stew | TeknoJuce: testing currently has 2.6.15-1 and unstable has 2.6.16-1 |
| 02:53.53 | TeknoJuce | okay thank you |
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| 02:54.27 | mentor | ah |
| 02:54.29 | mentor | alt-3 |
| 02:54.32 | TeknoJuce | guess ill try for unstable and see how things go |
| 02:54.32 | mentor | obviously |
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| 02:54.59 | veamos | when it says non-free drivers, it means that I have to pay for it? |
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| 02:55.28 | mentor | gahhh |
| 02:55.38 | mentor | too much mousing |
| 02:55.48 | sanxiyn | veamos: Usually, no. |
| 02:56.00 | veamos | so? what does it mean? |
| 02:56.08 | sanxiyn | veamos: It means drivers are non-free. |
| 02:56.18 | veamos | oh thank you. |
| 02:56.24 | veamos | come on |
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| 02:56.39 | Daedalus_ | veamos: no, it usually means that the drivers aren't covered by a "free as in beer" license, meaning anything from non-transportability, to no code use, to payment |
| 02:56.57 | initard | damn, whats the easiest way to cut and paste from the command line, nano only can cut a bit at atime, but anyways stew, i found the file you need, bear with me please |
| 02:56.58 | sanxiyn | Daedalus_: Technically yes, but "non-free" modules usually mean binary modules. |
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| 02:57.34 | sanxiyn | veamos: non-free, or binary modules, are, unsupported. |
| 02:57.42 | veamos | so? finally.. can I install a non-free driver on my system? |
| 02:57.47 | Daedalus_ | veamos: basically, it's the open-source communities way oof branding a driver that doesn't have the license that allows them to re-use the source code in ways that they would like. |
| 02:57.51 | stew | initard: w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; when you get to that url, hit enter int he big text box, and it will start /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file |
| 02:58.07 | sanxiyn | veamos: You are free to do so. |
| 02:58.07 | Daedalus_ | veamos: yes, but the standard answer is "don't unless you have to" |
| 02:58.26 | Daedalus_ | !non-free |
| 02:58.26 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 02:58.28 | initard | i have to do it from terminal to gain root access for the debian partition |
| 02:59.00 | sanxiyn | veamos: Well, nearly all softwares are "no warranty", but binary modules are more so, since there's no way any other people can support it. |
| 02:59.18 | veamos | well, I have a NVidia GeForce MX400 graphic card.. and for instances, ppracer doesn't work fine.. do you understand me? |
| 02:59.33 | initard | stew, they're all the same |
| 03:00.05 | sanxiyn | veamos: You are free to install NVidia provided binary module, but only NVidia fix can problems if there are any. |
| 03:00.20 | sanxiyn | s/fix can/can fix/ |
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| 03:00.46 | sanxiyn | And there will be problems. :( |
| 03:00.58 | initard | i'm gonna run the program again and catch it that way |
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| 03:03.39 | static_ | hi guys! |
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| 03:03.46 | static_ | I'm VERY new to debian |
| 03:04.09 | static_ | I already love it immensely |
| 03:04.34 | static_ | How do I install a deb file I downloaded? |
| 03:04.54 | Daedalus_ | static_: dpkg -i <file> |
| 03:05.22 | Daedalus_ | static_: where did you download a .deb from? most packages are in apt repositories? |
| 03:05.46 | static_ | I wanted to install kwin-baghira - a KDE theme |
| 03:05.55 | static_ | it says it's in apt-get |
| 03:06.07 | static_ | but apt-get install kwin-baghira doesn't work |
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| 03:06.23 | Memphis | canal en español |
| 03:06.26 | Daedalus_ | static_: define "doesn't work" |
| 03:06.27 | Memphis | cual es??????? |
| 03:06.30 | Daedalus_ | !es |
| 03:06.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:06.30 | gravity | !es |
| 03:06.54 | Memphis | hola todos |
| 03:06.55 | EruditeHermit | gravity: make any progress? |
| 03:06.55 | static_ | no package named that |
| 03:06.56 | Memphis | como estan |
| 03:07.10 | static_ | hola Memphis |
| 03:07.15 | gravity | EruditeHermit: I've been working on other things, in case you haven't noticed |
| 03:07.24 | static_ | muy bien - y tu? |
| 03:07.39 | chealer | static_: which release do you use? |
| 03:07.47 | gravity | EruditeHermit: Xgl is still a lower priority than stabilizing Xorg mainline |
| 03:07.47 | Daedalus_ | static_: what release of debian are you using? |
| 03:07.53 | powder | habla ingles por favor |
| 03:08.00 | static_ | not sure |
| 03:08.09 | static_ | installed from the knoppix dvd 4.02 |
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| 03:08.23 | static_ | because everything hardware-wise was working |
| 03:08.28 | Daedalus_ | ruh-roh |
| 03:08.29 | chealer | static_: this is a Debian support channel. ask #knoppix |
| 03:08.34 | Memphis | thanks |
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| 03:08.42 | Daedalus_ | !tell static_ about not debian |
| 03:08.54 | stoned | I just installed a dvd drive, it shows up, but I can't seem to play anything. K3b wont' let me add it. I think I have all the packages I need, like libdvdcss all the mplayer packages etc., what do I need to do in order to get it to work? |
| 03:09.26 | stoned | it shows up under gnomebaker though |
| 03:09.27 | static_ | ahhhhh - see all it said was "Once it's installed it's pretty much Debian" |
| 03:09.31 | static_ | thanks guys |
| 03:09.35 | stoned | but I am still unable to play movies |
| 03:09.39 | static_ | (hence the sheepish) |
| 03:09.42 | mzilikazi | stoned: most apps expect to see /dev/dvd |
| 03:09.50 | mzilikazi | so symlink it ;) |
| 03:09.50 | Daedalus_ | stoned: you may need to link /dev/dvd to /dev/cdrom or the like |
| 03:10.15 | stoned | well it is /dev/hdc the drive. even when I do mplayer /dev/hdc it quits with an error |
| 03:10.18 | Daedalus_ | static_: no prob |
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| 03:11.04 | Daedalus_ | stoned: well, it would be mplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdc dvd://1 |
| 03:11.26 | stoned | Daedalus_, when I do just what I said, I get this |
| 03:11.28 | stoned | File not found: '/dev/dvd' |
| 03:11.28 | stoned | Failed to open /dev/dvd |
| 03:11.54 | stoned | I could go mplayer dvd:// same thing |
| 03:12.06 | Daedalus_ | stoned: right. if you ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd (as root), all will be well |
| 03:12.10 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:12.15 | stoned | well i'll be damned |
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| 03:14.11 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:14.32 | stoned | hey the problem I got is this and I think has always been this, becasue /dev/dvd existed already |
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| 03:15.04 | stoned | I just tried to play as root and it works. what do I need to do in order for regular user to play dvds? any group I must add to or change perms on /dev/dvd? |
| 03:15.04 | Daedalus_ | stoned: interesting. Must be pointing to the wrong place. Have you deleted it yet? |
| 03:15.18 | stoned | no no, that wasn't the problem, its a persmission isssue |
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| 03:15.39 | Daedalus_ | stoned: chmod 555 /dev/dvd |
| 03:15.52 | stoned | I was gonna do 755 |
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| 03:15.59 | mentor | the permissions of a symbolic link are irrelevant |
| 03:16.00 | Daedalus_ | stoned: rock on |
| 03:16.03 | stoned | world readable |
| 03:16.06 | stoned | is taht not good? |
| 03:16.08 | stoned | 2w n32 |
| 03:16.08 | stoned | - |
| 03:16.08 | stoned | 2 |
| 03:16.14 | mentor | should be 777 |
| 03:16.14 | stoned | damn keyboard, sorry |
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| 03:16.22 | stoned | not writable too man |
| 03:16.25 | mentor | the target of the link is hte important badger |
| 03:16.32 | Daedalus_ | mentor: no sense in making it writable, but whatever. |
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| 03:18.07 | Daedalus_ | stoned: ls -l /dev/dvd. see what it points to, then chmod that |
| 03:18.12 | mzilikazi | so xorg7 is going to yank out nvidia-glx, is this going to be an issue? |
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| 03:19.13 | mzilikazi | aw screw it we'll just find out |
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| 03:19.33 | spoon | is there a way to search for aplications using apt-get |
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| 03:19.51 | pixolet | spoon, apt-cache search <package> |
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| 03:20.18 | mentor | spoon apt-contents? apt-like? |
| 03:20.21 | mentor | file |
| 03:21.02 | martin | hi all |
| 03:21.05 | mentor | http://www.tdl.com/~netex/linux-doc-project/install-guide/node131.html |
| 03:21.27 | martin | need help |
| 03:22.52 | stew | cripes: # ps aux | wc -l -> 1072 |
| 03:22.59 | stew | yay coldfusion! yay java! |
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| 03:23.05 | stoned | I bought a giant bag of skittles, and then I seperated them into colors, and now I am pigging out on the yellow ones, they are cool |
| 03:23.16 | initard | stew heres some errors i cant make sense of, i know its not what you asked for but im still workin on that |
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| 03:23.21 | jbroome | most accurate irc nick ever |
| 03:23.24 | stoned | dvd won't work still. It starts to play, then quits |
| 03:23.39 | initard | ehhm here even stew http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12063 |
| 03:23.45 | Stevie | pay it more? |
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| 03:24.18 | stew | initard: apt-get install locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales; log out and back in |
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| 03:24.48 | stew | initard: uhh you don't need to both install and reconfigure, just install or if it is already installed, just reconfigure |
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| 03:25.06 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:25.09 | stoned | vlc works |
| 03:25.23 | unstable | vlc is garbage |
| 03:25.40 | unstable | !start a media player war |
| 03:25.40 | dpkg | Xine stomps mplayer, fool! |
| 03:25.42 | powder | so is totem |
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| 03:25.53 | unstable | totem is just a front-end for xine |
| 03:26.01 | unstable | xine sucks donkey balls too |
| 03:26.02 | unstable | mplayer > * |
| 03:26.07 | powder | yup mplayer |
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| 03:26.34 | stoned | yeh, I will go bug #mplayer in a bit |
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| 03:26.41 | stoned | it seems to crash reading my dvd, while other work fine |
| 03:27.24 | unstable | stoned: Did you install libdvdcss? |
| 03:27.40 | spoon | Debian is the best linux out there? |
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| 03:27.48 | unstable | !best |
| 03:27.48 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 03:27.59 | GullyFoyle | lol |
| 03:28.07 | unstable | !choice |
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| 03:28.25 | spoon | best as in winner who goes home and fucks the prom queen! |
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| 03:28.30 | spoon | :D |
| 03:28.32 | powder | hahahaha |
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| 03:28.57 | powder | you forgot sean connery accent in "fuckshhh" |
| 03:28.59 | unstable | spoon: yes, debian gets all the ladies |
| 03:29.05 | spoon | hehe |
| 03:29.09 | unstable | spoon: If you are a homosexual, gentoo is better. |
| 03:29.17 | unstable | But as far as straight couples, debian rules. |
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| 03:30.17 | GullyFoyle | debian guys have superior packages |
| 03:30.20 | bucky | ubuntu is a menage a troi <- see logo |
| 03:30.21 | spoon | I asked the most futile question. :) |
| 03:30.37 | gravity | unstable: Stop that |
| 03:31.33 | mentor | unstable: Uh, yeah, using sexuality as an insult is not tolerated here. |
| 03:31.51 | Stevie | unstable: Yeah, you should know better. Not even gay people deserve to have to use gentoo |
| 03:31.53 | spoon | rofl look what I started. |
| 03:32.07 | unstable | ahh, I was joking. sorry for the gay comment |
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| 03:32.17 | Stevie | unstable: ;-) |
| 03:32.20 | unstable | bad choice of words |
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| 03:32.43 | ice_1963 | good one |
| 03:32.44 | mentor | good stuff |
| 03:32.46 | apacker | I did apt-get --purge remove opennms but all the config files are still there. I REALLY REALLY want them to f**ing DISAPPEAR. thoughts? |
| 03:32.52 | bucky | i wouldn't wish gentoo on a Klingon |
| 03:33.14 | powder | apacker: rm -rf ? |
| 03:33.19 | apacker | is there some sort of apt-get purge remove fu|<ing delete right the fuc|< now |
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| 03:33.29 | apacker | powder, i dont want to break the package system, wont that piss debian off?!?! |
| 03:33.31 | bucky | apacker: re-install ? |
| 03:33.46 | ice_1963 | apt-get --purge remove |
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| 03:33.57 | powder | apacker: as far as apt is concerned, the package is completely gone already |
| 03:34.08 | matthew_i | with the new X in unstable it seems I cannot open any windows (apps seem to crash if I try that), I am trying to use the nvidia drivers |
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| 03:34.19 | apacker | bucky, is that ok to do after a purge? is any of this documented anywhere for me to remotely have a chance of understanding wtf is goign on?? |
| 03:34.19 | mentor | apacker: dpkg -S /path/to/conffiles |
| 03:34.45 | powder | apacker: it's nothing new :) |
| 03:34.50 | Daedalus_ | apacker: sure. man apt, man dpkg |
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| 03:35.04 | mentor | !dug |
| 03:35.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 03:35.12 | apacker | Daedalus_, of course I tried that. purge is NOT doing as advertised!! |
| 03:35.14 | mentor | !userguide |
| 03:35.25 | bucky | apacker: is opennms from an official repos.. sometimes the package might not uninstall cleanly |
| 03:35.34 | mentor | apacker: Maybe the conffile is in a different package, or is not considered part of hte pacakge |
| 03:35.40 | mentor | !user guide |
| 03:35.41 | dpkg | it has been said that debian doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 03:35.50 | mentor | feh useless |
| 03:36.08 | bucky | apacker: also i've had better luck with dpkg --purge |
| 03:36.16 | mentor | apacker: Look at the user guide at Debian Doc for more general information |
| 03:36.23 | apacker | mentor, you win! how the F I was supposed to know how to do that, I've no idea. yet another piece of info I couldnt have gotten ANYWHERE else. except man dpkg of course, but i didnt even know to LOOK for that possibility. |
| 03:36.26 | Daedalus_ | apacker: dpkg -S <path> will tell you what package installed the files. THen you can dpkg --purge that package |
| 03:36.32 | HPS`Fresh | guys... what have you done with dpkg ? |
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| 03:36.52 | bucky | dpkg who? |
| 03:36.52 | dpkg | It was the one armed man, I tell you ! |
| 03:37.03 | mentor | apacker: By reading the documentation section of the Debian project?... |
| 03:37.03 | powder | he already removed the package, how is uninstalling again going to help anything? |
| 03:37.11 | initardd | stew i got disconnected did you get my last pastebin? |
| 03:37.34 | stew | initardd: the last i got was that your locales weren't yet setup |
| 03:37.34 | unstable | apacker: reinstall it, then do "dpkg -L packagename &> list.txt" |
| 03:37.39 | unstable | apacker: Then apt-get remove package |
| 03:37.44 | apacker | mentor, well why I have you around... how can I being to understand what the heck is up with usr lib bin share opt ... etc? they are all inside each other in annoying convoluted ways. |
| 03:37.44 | unstable | then cat list.txt|xargs rm |
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| 03:38.13 | apacker | mentor, is there a somewhat simple explanation to that pile of garbage? or does it require years of linux experience to even come close to comprehending? |
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| 03:38.16 | mentor | apacker: ummm? |
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| 03:38.25 | mentor | apacker: FHS? |
| 03:38.26 | apacker | mentor, ok, grep your system for a word like "usr" or "bin" |
| 03:38.34 | stew | apacker: what package? is it currently installed? what does "dpkg -l packagename" output? |
| 03:38.39 | Daedalus_ | apacker: they're not inside each other per se. They're just different directories with the same name in different locations |
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| 03:38.50 | powder | apacker: calm down, apt --purge does not always remove all files. get over it! |
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| 03:38.57 | mentor | 'grep my system'? Like, search my filesystem with find? |
| 03:39.01 | stew | powder: yes it does |
| 03:39.05 | mentor | Umm, yes it does |
| 03:39.14 | powder | no, it doesn't |
| 03:39.22 | apacker | Daedalus_, how/why? for example, googling to figure out whats wrong with your system often works. of cousre, if the advice is for some other version of linux it will take you hours to find the right combo of /var/lib/etc or /usr/lib/share or /usr/local/lib/share/GOD/I/WANT/To/DIE |
| 03:39.25 | mentor | powder: when doesn't it? |
| 03:39.35 | torham | no it doesn't...say if you remove xorg it won't remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:39.37 | Stevie | when they're +i ? |
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| 03:39.50 | mentor | heh |
| 03:39.53 | jbroome | dorkfight! |
| 03:39.56 | matthew_i | anyone here successfully using xorg 7.0 on debian? |
| 03:39.58 | stew | torham: xorg isn't a debian pacakge |
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| 03:40.06 | apacker | stew, powder (maybe some others) mentor's dpkg -S comment found the correct package for me. |
| 03:40.10 | Daedalus_ | apacker: this is one of the many issues that people have with linux. It's an ideosyncracy that tends to be distro specific. There are some general rules of thumb that hold, however |
| 03:40.17 | powder | i have apt remove --purge a package, then updatedb, then used locate to find remaining files! |
| 03:40.26 | mentor | !fhs |
| 03:40.26 | dpkg | fhs is probably the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 03:40.29 | torham | stew: what? |
| 03:40.42 | apacker | Daedalus_, the only one i've found is executeables are often (but not always!) in bin. thats *IT*. ok and sbin is root only executeables.... but after that you are SOL |
| 03:40.46 | torham | matthew_i: Im using it, without acceleration and no windows key |
| 03:40.49 | initard | ok, i'm convinced that ubuntu is going to soon dominate the linux game, too much install headaches on debian |
| 03:40.50 | stew | !+info xorg |
| 03:40.52 | dpkg | Package 'xorg' does not exist. |
| 03:40.53 | stew | torham: ^^ |
| 03:41.03 | torham | xserver-xorg |
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| 03:41.09 | Daedalus_ | apacker: the nice thing with debian is that _typically_, the package manager takes care of the low level stuff, so you don't have to worrk much about files, aside from config files in /etc/ |
| 03:41.12 | bucky | !lose initard |
| 03:41.12 | dpkg | initard: You Lose. |
| 03:41.14 | WFrag_ | !+info xserver-xorg |
| 03:41.21 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 5780 kB, Installed size: 14936 kB |
| 03:41.25 | initard | bucky, why' |
| 03:41.25 | matthew_i | torham: everytime I open a window the app segfaults |
| 03:41.39 | torham | matthew_i: I can't run firefox or thunderbird |
| 03:41.39 | initard | ubuntu is debian that actually installs |
| 03:41.41 | Daedalus_ | !troll initard |
| 03:41.48 | powder | hahaha |
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| 03:41.56 | torham | I had a little trouble at first, it didnt update x11-common... |
| 03:41.58 | initard | haha, diehards, truth hurts i suppose |
| 03:41.58 | matthew_i | Daedalus_: good call |
| 03:42.11 | apacker | Daedalus_, I do concur with that sentiment - in general, it seems to DTRT. unfortunately when it does not (common enough occurrence) its HARDER to fix (because someone tells you to go to /opt/application/config whatever and you are like uhhh.... sorry dude, no can do) |
| 03:42.12 | gravity | initard: Debian installs for me where Ubuntu didn't. Funny how that works. |
| 03:42.15 | bucky | initard: we installed debian |
| 03:42.29 | apacker | Daedalus_, even THEN doing "find / -name config-desired-here" often leads you astry |
| 03:42.34 | apacker | *astray |
| 03:42.35 | pixolet | works great for me... |
| 03:42.44 | gravity | initard: Maybe you're still doing it wrong |
| 03:42.50 | matthew_i | !+info x11-common |
| 03:42.51 | bucky | tastes great.. less filling |
| 03:42.51 | initard | yeah, but on a laptop? |
| 03:42.55 | gravity | initard: Yes |
| 03:42.56 | dpkg | x11-common: (X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 1098 kB, Installed size: 1608 kB |
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| 03:43.02 | gravity | initard: I am running Debian on my laptop |
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| 03:43.07 | gravity | That info out of date |
| 03:43.14 | apacker | Daedalus_, e.g. when /usr/lib/share/opennms/etc links to /etc/opennms but you dont notice so you chmod the link and NOTHING HAPPENS! death. |
| 03:43.23 | bucky | initard: why did you uninstall ubuntu in the first place? |
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| 03:43.35 | Daedalus_ | apacker: truth. however, usually a combination of man pages (man <application> give you a debianized man page that ususally reffers you to the right places for a debian system.... usually) |
| 03:44.06 | Daedalus_ | apacker: ... man pages and good ol intuition (eg: config files are in /etc/ for most everything....) |
| 03:44.15 | initard | gravity, thing is, i dont have all the special toys your equiptment has, so whats the 'debian' solution? buy a bigger laptop with builtin wireless and fully configged this and that |
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| 03:44.21 | bucky | opennms is an unofficial package that prolly isn't representative of the quality of official debian packages |
| 03:44.25 | initard | or may not have |
| 03:44.26 | mentor | apacker: use ls -l or ls --color=auto |
| 03:44.30 | apacker | Daedalus_, for about the last 12 hours I have been installing OpenNMS. it requires postgresql, tomcat4, and java - all of which I did not have on my fairly new debian stable system. The number of whacky trials and tribulations... oh man |
| 03:44.44 | initard | Bucky, huh? |
| 03:44.45 | mentor | Java is non-free |
| 03:44.47 | gravity | initard: Uh... "special toys"? This is a standard 3+ year old laptop |
| 03:44.51 | apacker | mentor, I have l mapped to ls --color=auto now :) |
| 03:44.52 | bucky | initard: why did you uninstall ubuntu in the first place? |
| 03:45.01 | gravity | initard: The solution is to figure out what's wrong and find the fix |
| 03:45.04 | r00t | one of my boxes just got rebooted, and now suddenly a large part of my ext3 filesystems are being detected as ext2 by fsck and mount (and thus fsck insists on checking a terabyte of stuff, which is going to take hours)... when i try to mount them with -t ext3, the kernel prints a warning that an ext3 filesystem is being mounted as ext2, without specifying the type they get mounted as ext2 and i only get the warninf that they are unchecked. |
| 03:45.04 | r00t | e only difference between the disks that work and those that don't appears to be that they are not in fstab (i have a custom script to check and mount them) |
| 03:45.09 | gravity | initard: It's not magic. |
| 03:45.12 | initard | this is a 366 how old is that? |
| 03:45.20 | gravity | initard: What the hell is 366? |
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| 03:45.28 | apacker | Daedalus_, I guess its just unbelievable to me how we ever expect normal people to come even close to using computers without being experts (like people drive cars while only knowing how to add gas). |
| 03:45.33 | stew | initard: the older the hardware the easier it should be to install debian |
| 03:45.37 | Daedalus_ | apacker: strange... I've not had a problem getting those dependencies to install prperly in the past. |
| 03:45.42 | initard | bucky, who said i uninstalled? |
| 03:45.55 | initard | stew, did you get that last pastebin? |
| 03:46.00 | bucky | initard: i thought you said ubuntu is debian that installs |
| 03:46.02 | Daedalus_ | apacker: have you discovered the program "synaptic" yet? |
| 03:46.06 | apacker | Daedalus_, the install guide for opennms (http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=23937&group_id=4141) is decidedly giant. |
| 03:46.12 | apacker | Daedalus_, no? |
| 03:46.14 | initard | bucky, stop thinking |
| 03:46.22 | stew | initard: i haven't gotten one since i told you that the last one i got was about your broken locales |
| 03:46.24 | gravity | initard: You haven't answered my question |
| 03:46.28 | bucky | haha.. look who's talking |
| 03:46.28 | gravity | initard: What the hell is a 366? |
| 03:46.35 | initard | mhz gravity |
| 03:46.36 | bucky | P II |
| 03:46.43 | apacker | Daedalus_, huh, looks interesting |
| 03:46.47 | powder | apacker: why don't you just search for remaining files and remove them? |
| 03:46.48 | gravity | initard: Ok, then what's the actual error with your install? |
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| 03:47.02 | gravity | initard: Is it that X thing? Did you put your logfile up where I could see it like I asked hours ago? |
| 03:47.10 | initard | yeah, could those locales be why xfree isnt working? |
| 03:47.14 | bucky | sorry 366 Celery |
| 03:47.16 | LinuxNIT | what module do i need for a conexant d850 56k modem? |
| 03:47.18 | Daedalus_ | apacker: wonderful GUI frontend to apt. Check it out. using the search tools, you should be able to find just about everything you need. I've had to add maybe one or two repositories (marillat, for one) and I've been set for a long time |
| 03:47.23 | apacker | powder, I found out the config files were part of a DIFFERENT package by using dpkg -S. I have since purged that package and reinstalled it. |
| 03:47.37 | stew | initard: you have to actually show us the x log, the entire x log, you only showed us the first 26 lines which wasn't enough to actually get any errors |
| 03:47.44 | apacker | Daedalus_, marillat... that's for mplayer? |
| 03:47.53 | gravity | initard: Oh, and "366" has no meaning in terms of whether your graphics chip works. Let's stick to rationally considering what's causing the problem |
| 03:47.54 | apacker | Daedalus_, don't get me started on video players. |
| 03:47.55 | powder | apacker: ohh, thanks for the info! |
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| 03:48.07 | Daedalus_ | apacker, mplayer, and a lot of other good software. Not just mplayer. |
| 03:48.17 | Daedalus_ | apacker, libdvdcss for one... |
| 03:48.18 | initard | stew and that log file like i said before i d/c was the only one i have and theres three instances of it identical with three different filenames...one .old and on .save |
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| 03:48.38 | stew | initard: you didn't paste the whole file though |
| 03:48.44 | gravity | initard: Post /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:48.51 | initard | stew, i did |
| 03:48.56 | stew | gravity: this is what he is claiming is the contents http://pastebin.ca/49115 |
| 03:49.08 | initard | i swear |
| 03:49.14 | initard | they're all the same |
| 03:49.24 | stew | initard: then you are all set, there are no errors |
| 03:49.30 | gravity | wtf |
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| 03:49.56 | initard | then wots goin on wit it??? |
| 03:50.02 | initard | gdm? |
| 03:50.13 | apacker | Daedalus_, heh, yeah. I've been running my own debian testing system at home for a few years now. I just put up a debian stable system at work to serve up cvs and monitor my "network". I would say I'm more proficient than the average windows user but far from a linux guru by a long stretch. Over the years I've used xine, mplayer, and vlc. Eventually one always breaks in an incredbly annoying way and I spend a few hours getting a d |
| 03:50.13 | apacker | ifferent one to work. |
| 03:50.14 | initard | see why i'm so fucking frustrated? |
| 03:50.21 | gravity | This is bizarre |
| 03:50.33 | initard | is it cuz i'm chrooted when i set it up? |
| 03:50.45 | gravity | You're chrooted? |
| 03:50.48 | gravity | Why? |
| 03:50.57 | initard | i'm like so looped up with two os's its crazy |
| 03:51.21 | gravity | Hrm |
| 03:51.22 | bucky | why did god send us all the dumb ones? |
| 03:51.29 | gravity | Try disabling gdm first of all |
| 03:51.31 | apacker | Daedalus_, I think it was two years ago simonrvn walked me through getting alsa to work for the first time... |
| 03:51.34 | gravity | Then do startx -- :1 |
| 03:51.35 | initard | so i can be on the net and work at the same time, i got one os mounted in the other and vice versa, its nuts |
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| 03:52.22 | initard | gdm goes to loggin screen but wont loggin, says error load executable |
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| 03:53.07 | initard | how disable gdm? |
| 03:53.24 | deadcat | !nodm |
| 03:53.24 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 03:53.26 | stew | initard: what does "wc -l /var/log/XFree86.0.log" say? |
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| 03:53.35 | apacker | Daedalus_, is there a better way to search your system than "find / -name file-here" ? |
| 03:53.35 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.37 | initard | startX command not found |
| 03:53.40 | Daedalus_ | apacker: heh. It seems to be a lot less painful nowadays, and I don't think that's all due to increased experience on my part. I haven't had to fnagle software in a while. The last time was when my raid unexpectedly cut out, and I think that was a hardware issue |
| 03:53.53 | stoned | initard, startx |
| 03:54.01 | bucky | hmm.. is this a Booting from hard disk install from a ubuntu partition? |
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| 03:54.21 | initard | wc: /var/log/XFree86.0.log: No such file or directory |
| 03:54.35 | initard | wait, wrong os there |
| 03:54.39 | powder | apacker: locate |
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| 03:54.46 | stew | initard: i'm done, nevermind |
| 03:54.50 | Daedalus_ | apacker: not really. Other options include find / |grep <name> but in general, no. If I'm looking for something, I'll usually start with /usr and then /etc. If they're not there, they probably arent around. |
| 03:54.58 | gravity | It is getting late |
| 03:55.14 | leaveone | initard, ctl+alt+f3 to get to a command prompt.. login as root and then run this /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:55.20 | Daedalus_ | apacker: if you know what package installed the file you're looking for, you can look up all installed files with synaptic, (or dpkg, etc) |
| 03:55.28 | initard | 1312 /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:55.38 | stew | hah |
| 03:55.42 | initard | hehe, you have no idea how screwed up this is |
| 03:55.43 | leaveone | that will shutdown gdm |
| 03:55.50 | apacker | Daedalus_, ok, ever used tomcat? it just servers up some java crap via apache. There are remarkably similar (but importantly different!) files in /usr/share/tomcat4 and /var/lib/tomcat4... WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD?? |
| 03:56.02 | stew | initard: so you see that your log has more then 26 lines, right? |
| 03:57.28 | HPS`Fresh | where can i get dóbian repositary how-to? |
| 03:57.38 | Stevie | dobian? |
| 03:57.44 | stew | HPS`Fresh: /msg dpkg repository |
| 03:57.57 | gravity | stew: Good call. I was a little worried about the log simply halting |
| 03:57.59 | rmbell | is it possible to install a base system on a pc with 16mb of ram? |
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| 03:58.10 | HPS`Fresh | stew thnx |
| 03:58.23 | Stevie | rmbell: sure, just add 16mb more ram! ;) |
| 03:58.36 | rmbell | not possible :S |
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| 03:59.13 | apacker | Daedalus_, holy cow. synaptic is bom diggity indeed. |
| 03:59.13 | Stevie | rmbell: sure, just replace with a mobo that will accept 16mb more ram! |
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| 03:59.21 | rmbell | ;) |
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| 03:59.40 | rmbell | its old 72 pin ram |
| 03:59.50 | Stevie | ahh, the good old days |
| 04:00.07 | Daedalus_ | apacker: beats me. general intuition would say that if anything in there will be user modifiable, it will be in the /usr/share/tomcat dir, but other than that, I coudln't tell you. I'm sure some Great Old One (unix guru) would be able to tell you why /var/ is different from /usr/ |
| 04:00.19 | torham | matthew_i: Okay, so I can't run any gtk apps, great how am I gonna do my homework without eclipse... |
| 04:00.27 | Stevie | The days when x86 wasn't an overstrained arch that desperately needs replacing |
| 04:00.28 | gravity | initard: Having the whole log file would be very helpful |
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| 04:00.37 | gravity | initard: And by helpful, I mean critical |
| 04:00.58 | rmbell | so any possible way? |
| 04:01.29 | rmbell | can you write the ramdisk to hdd partitions? |
| 04:02.00 | Daedalus_ | rmbell: sure. I've done it before. I believe the installer goes into a low memory mode, yes? |
| 04:02.06 | rmbell | ya |
| 04:02.24 | Stevie | of course, nobody uses a ramdisk anymore. tmpfs rules |
| 04:02.34 | Stevie | half the memory usage of ramdisk |
| 04:02.36 | Daedalus_ | rmbell: the trick is to get the swap space up and running quickly. Then, everything will be fine. |
| 04:02.58 | rmbell | can you give me a quick walk through? |
| 04:03.20 | stew | i like to use a ramdisk to put my swapfile on |
| 04:03.52 | Daedalus_ | rmbell: I couldn't pull it off the top of my head. I believe the install disk walks you through it. Also, google for debian low memory installation |
| 04:04.34 | kevix | anyone know the fix to this: updgrade sid in the last week. most X and gnome apps segfault. can only use dillo as firefox, epiphany and mozilla segfault. |
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| 04:06.21 | Daedalus_ | kevix: you may have to run apt-get upgrade several times. For whatever reason, it didn't get everything on the first pass for me. |
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| 04:07.06 | kevix | Daedalus_: I have been update/upgading for the last few days waiting for the magic to come back. no luck yet. |
| 04:07.07 | Daedalus_ | kevix: it may also be sid breakage. update and upgrade to make sure you've got the most recent versions. Sometimes broken things get into sid. |
| 04:07.34 | gravity | Although someone did promise me an upgrade report, so... |
| 04:07.55 | Daedalus_ | gravity: the segfault, or the apt thingy? |
| 04:08.16 | gravity | Daedalus_: The apt thingy |
| 04:08.29 | gravity | kevix: The segfault may be due to your gtk-engine or gtk theme |
| 04:08.38 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.41 | apacker | Daedalus_, why do some commands get logged to wherever your command history is stored (accessed by typing 'history') and some do not? |
| 04:08.45 | kevix | gravity: I am running 7.0.7 (experimantal) |
| 04:09.00 | gravity | kevix: Ok, well it's in unstable now for i386 |
| 04:09.30 | Daedalus_ | apacker: history is shell instance specific and is only written back to the history file on shell exit |
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| 04:09.52 | Daedalus_ | apacker: this is so that if you have multiple shells open, their histories don't conflict. |
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| 04:10.03 | kevix | gravity: YES. I changed them and I get icon errors for 'expose' BUT I cant change the theme back because the gnome-theme app crashes. Unless you know how to reset it or edit some gconf-file.... x-) |
| 04:10.11 | apacker | Daedalus_, I figured it was some crap like that. I would much rather every command I type ALWAYS end up SOMEWHERE come hell or high water. Yeah, I understand the reason it's just not cool when I would really like to check back... |
| 04:10.30 | gravity | kevix: I don't know. You can use the gconf tool I guess |
| 04:10.40 | erudified | Can anyone comment on the process for updating stable to unstable? I started the upgrade earlier, and, of course, everything went to pieces |
| 04:10.58 | erudified | I primarily just want to get apache2 working; after that I'll wait for the next stable release |
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| 04:11.40 | Daedalus_ | apacker: it actually does get logged, but since the history file has a finite length, a shells history dump may be immediately pushed out by another dump when you shutdown your system and all your xterm windows get closed (many shells are dumping back to history) |
| 04:11.50 | kevix | !xclip -o -display :0.0 |
| 04:12.03 | initard | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12064 <--believe it or not stew, gravity, i found the whole file, if your still up have a look |
| 04:12.24 | torham | btw, anyone who can't get there windows key to work in xorg 7, you might need to install the xkb-data package. |
| 04:12.46 | apacker | Daedalus_, ok, here's a question for you. I spent all day getting opennms to work, only to clobber the crap out of some file, thus requiring a reinstall. Now I cannot access my server on port 8180 which is where tomcat4 is supposed to be listening to serve my java action via apache. It worked before. Now it doesnt. Where would *you* start???? |
| 04:12.54 | kevix | gravity: I get errors like this when i run any gnome app (including gconf-editor) /usr/share/themes/expose/gtk-2.0/icons/iconrc:111: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "epiphany-unsecure.png" |
| 04:13.14 | Daedalus_ | erudified, you probably want "testing" |
| 04:13.29 | Daedalus_ | !tell erudified about testing |
| 04:14.21 | kevix | gravity: is there a #debian-gnome somewhere? (not here seems) |
| 04:14.36 | gravity | kevix: Not that I know of |
| 04:15.22 | erudified | I've already dist-upgraded to unstable and just noticed the breakage |
| 04:15.31 | Daedalus_ | apacker: check to see if apache is running. Check to see if java is installed and working. Check then to see if the apache logs have anything to say about tomcat being not loaded as a module. Look through apache logs for any other wierdness like things not being loaded |
| 04:15.52 | erudified | could I use debootstrap to make a fresh unstable installation, configure it how I want, then just copy it over my current, broken, installation? |
| 04:15.55 | gravity | initard: Try doing a dpkg-reconfigure and selecting neomagic as the driver instead of vesa |
| 04:16.02 | gravity | initard: Then startx |
| 04:16.18 | erudified | Someone earlier was talking about bugs in libtasn that were fixed in experimental? *googles* |
| 04:16.18 | gravity | Maybe the neomagic is testy about the vesa protocol |
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| 04:17.17 | Daedalus_ | erudified: well... unstable may be broken in itself. Unstable is, well, unstable. You really want testing. Fortunately, most of unstable filters back down to testing after a short while, so you _may_ be able to change your sources file to testing, and in time things may settle back to normal. |
| 04:17.24 | initard | vesa, werent you the one that suggested to try vesa? anyways, that was just what i tried on the last run, and it actually made it further that time, usually doesnt even make it to the gui loggin |
| 04:17.35 | gravity | initard: Yes, normally vesa is rock solid, but nothing is perfect |
| 04:17.48 | gravity | initard: Ah, ok. Then stick with vesa and see what happens |
| 04:17.54 | gravity | That's good news |
| 04:17.55 | initard | ok, well, it normally is nm256 |
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| 04:18.08 | gravity | Then the neomagic driver in that version of xfree86 is busted |
| 04:18.09 | Daedalus_ | erudified: regarding debootstrap, I have no idea. I've never used it myself. |
| 04:18.14 | apacker | Daedalus_, thats the annoying thing! there is NOTHING of any relevance (by timestamp or appearance) in /var/log/apache /var/log/tomcat4 or /var/log/opennms |
| 04:18.26 | bucky | apacker: /etc/init.d/tomcat4 restart |
| 04:18.27 | apacker | Daedalus_, in fact, /var/log/opennms seems to indicate everything is ok!! |
| 04:18.47 | erudified | Daedalus_, yeah, it wasn't the wisest decision; it's my testing server and I needed some newer packages |
| 04:18.48 | apacker | bucky, tried that, and /etc/init.d/postgresql restart and /etc/init.d/opennms restart |
| 04:18.53 | initard | but when i tried logging in it said something about not executable |
| 04:18.58 | erudified | I just added 'un' to sources.list and figured it'd work |
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| 04:19.06 | bucky | apacker: is tomcat running? |
| 04:19.08 | stew | initard: then paste the output of ~/.xsession-errors |
| 04:19.19 | bucky | apacker: which java -version |
| 04:19.21 | initard | same directory? |
| 04:20.01 | apacker | bucky, ps -aef | grep tomcat says no, but /etc/init.d/tomcat4 restart says Starting Tomcat 4.1 servlet engine using Java from /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4: 1 Previous file handle doesn't exists /var/lib/tomcat4/logs/catalina_2006-04-12.log |
| 04:20.05 | Daedalus_ | apacker: if I recall, tomcat is simply an apache module, yes? It doesn't have any sort of daemon of it's own? |
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| 04:20.19 | apacker | Daedalus_, I believe you are correct. |
| 04:20.23 | erudified | How does libtasn (in unstable) require a later version of libgnutls2 than what is available? |
| 04:20.33 | gravity | erudified: It's a known bug and it's being worked on |
| 04:20.42 | apacker | bucky, as Daedalus_ says, and I can confirm... before when Opennms was running im pretty sure there was no explicit tomcat process. |
| 04:21.05 | erudified | gravity, it's in the bugtracker, then? I'll have a look. Thanks. |
| 04:21.06 | bucky | apacker: does /var/lib/tomcat4/logs/catalina_2006-04-12.log exist? |
| 04:21.33 | yanger | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseNvidia doesn't have "etch" there, would that be considered sarge still? |
| 04:22.28 | apacker | bucky, hm, yes - before it was mostly empty and started with "This server has not yet been started" now (given that it is actually 2006-4-12 in my time zone ) its got some more crap |
| 04:22.44 | apacker | bucky, e.g. Catalina.start: LifecycleException: Protocol handler initialization failed: java.net.BindException: Address already in use:8180 |
| 04:22.55 | apacker | bucky, that looks bad! but I feel like ive seen it before... |
| 04:23.02 | apacker | bucky, when stuff was ok i mean |
| 04:23.03 | chealer | !tell yanger about ngd |
| 04:23.03 | erudified | Is there some trick to the bugs.debian.org search engine? I'm beginning to feel a bit stupid, heh; a search for libtasn, libtasn1, and *tasn* returns nothing |
| 04:23.28 | bucky | apacker: you can't have two port 8180's |
| 04:23.29 | apacker | bucky, how can i tell who is trying to use 8180? no other service i have could possibly be on that port ? |
| 04:23.31 | chealer | erudified: ...libtasn1-2? |
| 04:23.41 | stew | apacker: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 04:23.53 | erudified | haha, yeah, that works |
| 04:23.54 | Daedalus_ | apacker: netstat -a look for something on 8180 |
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| 04:25.05 | Daedalus_ | apacker: or lsof -i :8180 |
| 04:25.21 | apacker | bucky, stew Daedalus_ nothing on 8180... java is checking out 8181 and 8280 thats the only things remotely close |
| 04:25.26 | darkangel | Anyone dist-upgraded on debian unstable to find their xserver now says it can't find "fixed font" ? |
| 04:25.47 | gravity | darkangel: Install xfonts-base |
| 04:25.59 | darkangel | gravity: it's in |
| 04:26.03 | erudified | gravity, is there another bug tracker for issues relating specifically to the packaging system or something? I don't see any entries relating to my issue |
| 04:26.16 | stew | apacker: how did you check? |
| 04:26.17 | gravity | darkangel: Are you on i386? |
| 04:26.19 | darkangel | gravity: 1.0.0-3 |
| 04:26.21 | darkangel | gravity: yes |
| 04:26.37 | apacker | stew, lsof -i :8180 also netstat -plunt | grep 8180 also both with eyeballs |
| 04:27.01 | gravity | erudified: #362048 |
| 04:27.01 | darkangel | gravity: I reinstalled that package, and restarted xfs |
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| 04:27.36 | darkangel | I see no weird errors regarding font path. The closest I get out of the log is it saying it can't open the rgb file. |
| 04:27.37 | apacker | stew, bucky Daedalus_ last time I couldnt access the web for a while either. magically, installing tomcat4-webapps solved that problem. it is, however, still installed. but just to be safe i purged it and reinstalled it. still no go |
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| 04:27.41 | darkangel | apart from that it all looks good |
| 04:28.09 | gravity | darkangel: Hrm... well the rgb file is an issue but not the same one |
| 04:28.19 | gravity | If you've got xfonts-base that's got the fixed font |
| 04:28.28 | darkangel | Hmm. |
| 04:28.43 | Daedalus_ | apacker: I might try killing whatever's on 8181. |
| 04:28.44 | bucky | apacker: which version of debian? |
| 04:28.52 | apacker | bucky, stable |
| 04:29.10 | apacker | bucky i have no idea what the heck that means in todays whackjob naming scheme... potato? woody? sarge? sid? your mom? |
| 04:29.11 | yanger | ack! found what i was looking for ... was looking all over for my kernel-sources, ended up being linux-sources :P still confusing this change (even though it's been a while) :P |
| 04:29.27 | apacker | Daedalus_, how? |
| 04:29.29 | darkangel | gravity: I can't find the x server configuring tool ..do you know the name of it ? |
| 04:29.31 | stew | apacker: did you run those commands as root? |
| 04:29.32 | bucky | apacker: you never saw the movie Toy Story |
| 04:29.34 | apacker | Daedalus_, how do i know who is there? |
| 04:29.39 | gravity | darkangel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:29.39 | apacker | stew, yep |
| 04:29.44 | darkangel | gravity: okay. |
| 04:29.49 | apacker | bucky, yeah. but this is CONFUSING. |
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| 04:29.58 | apacker | bucky, sorry i didnt memorize a shitty cartoon |
| 04:30.14 | bucky | apacker: we'll name the next asspacker for you |
| 04:30.16 | Daedalus_ | apacker: lsof should have told you who's listening and what their PID is. then kill <PID> |
| 04:30.20 | apacker | bucky, hooo ah! |
| 04:30.26 | Stevie | we will? |
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| 04:30.50 | Stevie | Which version will that be? Debian Asspacker 3.3? |
| 04:31.05 | erudified | Stevie, one can only hope |
| 04:31.11 | parsonsd | everytime i try to start my box running 2.6, it tells me that the partitions that i have as /hda,b,c are not valid ext2 partitions (they shouldn't be, they're ext3) -- since it loads the scsi (root) partition, i expect they are loaded as modules; how do i go about getting the same modules that i loaded when i installed the original 2.4 kernel? |
| 04:31.26 | erudified | parsonsd, actually; they should be valid ext2 partitions |
| 04:31.27 | Daedalus_ | apacker: it is critical you run the lsof as root, otherwise it won't show you all ports and processes |
| 04:31.28 | Isil`Zha | hi. what goes wrong if aptitude is stuck getting the headers of a certain package? i actually only experience this for one single package. everthing appears to be just fine with other packages |
| 04:31.38 | apacker | Daedalus_, dude, I'm definitely root. |
| 04:31.39 | bucky | apacker: does http://localhost:8180 show the tomcat page ? |
| 04:31.43 | initard | stew, cant find that file |
| 04:31.44 | Stevie | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html |
| 04:31.50 | apacker | bucky, nope, didnt before either though. |
| 04:32.00 | Daedalus_ | apacker: try port 8080 |
| 04:32.11 | bucky | apacker: you're fucked because tomcat isn't running |
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| 04:32.34 | parsonsd | erudified - er... but they're ext3 -- and anyway, everything loads fine when i run the 2.4 kernel |
| 04:32.45 | erudified | yeah, ext3 is backwards compatible with ext2 |
| 04:32.57 | erudified | you can just delete the journal and it will be ext2 |
| 04:32.57 | Daedalus_ | apacker: or did debian change the default tomcat port to 8180? |
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| 04:33.07 | parsonsd | erudified -- hm. i did not know that |
| 04:33.07 | apacker | bucky, thoughts? i only know apt-get install tomcat4, apt-get install tomcat4-webapps |
| 04:33.14 | apacker | Daedalus_, it is 8180 now i believe. |
| 04:33.24 | apacker | Daedalus_, but I tried 8080 just to be safe. |
| 04:33.29 | erudified | parsonsd, sadly it's sort of irrelevant to the problem you're having, and I have no more insight |
| 04:33.30 | Stevie | netstat -ln |
| 04:33.42 | parsonsd | erudified : ah. well, alright |
| 04:33.58 | erudified | parsonsd, are you using udev or devfs or whatever they call it nowadays with 2.4? |
| 04:34.14 | stew | initard: ~user/.xsession-errors where user is the user that you logged in as |
| 04:34.30 | parsonsd | erudified, no thoughts on how to have the modules install that are built for 2.6? |
| 04:34.46 | parsonsd | erudified, um. not sure how to check |
| 04:35.16 | erudified | parsonsd, well, this is just a hypothesis, but maybe it can't mount /dev/hdX because /dev/hdX actually doesn't exist |
| 04:35.19 | stew | parsonsd: how did you install your 2.6 kernel? what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:35.20 | parsonsd | i've heard of these... |
| 04:35.40 | apacker | stew, Daedalus_ bucky AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH rebooted the machine "JUST FOR THE FUCK OF IT" and now the opennms web console comes up.... but GUESS WHAT??? the user file must still be clobbered MAGICALLY after the purge because the default USERNAME AND PASS DONT WORK!!!!! asdflk;j |
| 04:35.51 | parsonsd | stew: it is 3.1 (stable); i got 2.6 from whatever i found in aptitude |
| 04:35.52 | stew | apacker: chill out and stop using caps |
| 04:35.52 | initard | aahhh |
| 04:36.05 | erudified | hitting the panic button is what microsoft wants you to do |
| 04:36.09 | apacker | stew, apologies... this is now bordering on a 15 hour process. |
| 04:36.09 | bucky | apacker: yup |
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| 04:36.18 | johnnybezak | hey guys, I'm trying to get an external DVD-RW drive to work over firewire. It isn't showing up in Nautilus. When I do a "lshal | grep 1394" (ieee1394 = firewire) I see a device with the vendor string PROLIFIC TECHNOLOGY which I think is my burner. Anyone know how to get this working? Does any one have any ideas on how I should find out more about this? |
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| 04:36.27 | stew | apacker: what package is that you are having trouble with? |
| 04:36.47 | erudified | parsonsd, you could boot to 2.4 and pastebin a copy of ls -la /dev |
| 04:36.47 | apacker | stew, opennms. which depends on tomcat, which was apparently fixed by a reboot (is this a windows machine or what?!) |
| 04:37.01 | stew | !+info opennms |
| 04:37.03 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:37.04 | dpkg | Package 'opennms' does not exist. |
| 04:37.07 | erudified | parsonsd, and also, some more specifics would be useful; are you using a debian kernel package? |
| 04:37.08 | stew | apacker: which? |
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| 04:37.22 | parsonsd | stew: i found the smp for 2.4 and after some bumbling around and (yay! #debian) was assured that it was working, but no similar bumbling will work for 2,6 |
| 04:37.24 | erudified | if you aren't, I would suggest doing so. Debian's kernel packages are kickass. |
| 04:37.38 | darkangel | gravity: I'm missing xorgconfig xorgcfg etc.. do you know if this is normal ? I did run the dpkg-reconfigure, but it didn't seem to write to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:37.41 | apacker | stew, my windows comment was a joke... |
| 04:37.42 | stew | parsonsd: are they sata drives? |
| 04:37.48 | stew | apacker: which package |
| 04:37.58 | stew | apacker: opennms doesn't exist |
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| 04:38.03 | apacker | stew, um, opennms-server then |
| 04:38.13 | parsonsd | stew: no, not sata.... / is an older scsi |
| 04:38.17 | erudified | gravity, you there? |
| 04:38.28 | stew | !+info opennms-server |
| 04:38.29 | apacker | stew, sorry, opennms is the like little retarded debian guy you can apt-get to get everything that opennms needs, which i guess is really opennms-server |
| 04:38.30 | dpkg | Package 'opennms-server' does not exist. |
| 04:38.30 | parsonsd | pastebin? like #flood? |
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| 04:38.44 | erudified | parsonsd, yeah, #flood would be alright, but I think pastebin works a bit better |
| 04:38.47 | gravity | darkangel: Yes, that's normal. How do you know that the xorg.conf wasn't written to? |
| 04:38.47 | stew | apacker: that doesn't exist either |
| 04:38.50 | gravity | erudified: Yes |
| 04:38.51 | apacker | opennms is already the newest version. |
| 04:39.01 | apacker | opennms-server is already the newest version. |
| 04:39.04 | apacker | ok dudes they are on my system |
| 04:39.08 | apacker | so uhhh... dunno what to tell ya |
| 04:39.39 | initard | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12065 |
| 04:39.41 | erudified | gravity, where did you hear about the libtasn bug? I've googled a bit and havent been able to find any information on it - im wondering if they're waiting for a newer version of gnutls to be uploaded or what |
| 04:39.50 | apacker | they are in contrib? is that an issue? |
| 04:40.00 | stew | apacker: if the software you are complaining about isn't even debian software you aren't likely to get much sympathy here |
| 04:40.20 | stew | parsonsd: if its scsi it wouldn't be /dev/hdxx it would be /dev/sdxx |
| 04:40.20 | apacker | stew, a completely open source gnu gpl whatever project like opennms ?? you gotta be kidding me |
| 04:40.21 | parsonsd | piff -- not sure how to use paste bin and i have been zesty in making zsh do my bidding in aliasing ls to ls --color. must figure out howto make it NOT do color |
| 04:40.32 | stew | apacker: i'm not. its not in debian |
| 04:40.37 | gravity | erudified: Talking to people working on it and reading -release |
| 04:40.48 | darkangel | gravity: it's dated an hour ago |
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| 04:40.56 | yos87 | hi |
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| 04:41.09 | erudified | From opennms.org: OpenNMS is the world's first enterprise grade network management platform developed under the open source model. |
| 04:41.09 | initard | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12065 stew |
| 04:41.10 | gravity | darkangel: Ok, could you file a bug against xserver-xorg about that please? |
| 04:41.17 | erudified | You didn't pay for OpenNMS, did you? =) |
| 04:41.21 | darkangel | gravity: and says it was created by xorgconfig |
| 04:41.25 | apacker | erudified, no |
| 04:41.26 | gravity | darkangel: Ah... |
| 04:41.29 | apacker | erudified, why would i? |
| 04:41.32 | gravity | darkangel: You customized it yourself, didn't you? |
| 04:41.47 | parsonsd | stew: sorry. realise now that my initial question was not as well worded as i hoped. /dev/sda0 is /, but that's loading okay. i have some ide drive partitions that i use for /opt or /tmp or such. |
| 04:41.53 | yos87 | what does the error : (mount: /dev/cdrom is not a block device) mean? |
| 04:41.59 | darkangel | gravity: Previously, before this upgrade, I modified the xorg.conf file. Does it matter? |
| 04:42.02 | gravity | darkangel: Yes |
| 04:42.03 | parsonsd | it is these extra partitions that don't load |
| 04:42.10 | gravity | darkangel: Can you file a bug against xserver-xorg though? |
| 04:42.10 | stew | parsonsd: so you can boot, you just can't mount all of the partitions? |
| 04:42.19 | gravity | That's a bug that needs to be fixed |
| 04:42.26 | bucky | SELinux ? |
| 04:42.30 | stew | initard: so you have a selinux problem? i'm not sure i'd be able to help you with that |
| 04:42.32 | darkangel | gravity: I don't know how + don't particularly know what I am reporting |
| 04:42.44 | initard | whats selinux? |
| 04:42.49 | gravity | darkangel: Uh... you're running unstable and you don't know how to report a bug? |
| 04:42.49 | parsonsd | stew: in 2.6 it dumps me into a maintenence mode, and to be honest i haven't let it go any further than that. |
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| 04:43.02 | gravity | darkangel: Ok... run the command 'reportbug xserver-xorg' |
| 04:43.09 | andres2 | Hi. |
| 04:43.09 | stew | parsonsd: what version of 2.6? |
| 04:43.11 | darkangel | gravity: nope. been running it for something like 6 years and never hit a problem I couldn't fix before |
| 04:43.20 | initard | !selinux |
| 04:43.20 | dpkg | it has been said that selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 04:43.31 | gravity | darkangel: It'll guide you through the report. Report that dpkg-reconfigure doesn't write a new config file |
| 04:43.54 | darkangel | gravity: .. I'd like to include useful information but can't copy/paste it in :| ..text mode |
| 04:44.07 | initard | wth? how the fuck did selinux get loaded? |
| 04:44.18 | darkangel | gravity: I'll try |
| 04:44.24 | parsonsd | stew: don't know if it'll boot beyond that point since i never tried. i'd decided it failed and wasn't sure what to do about it... usually rebooted back into 2.4 |
| 04:44.28 | gravity | darkangel: Also report a bug against xorg-server (which is a different package) about how the fixed font isn't found even though xfonts-base is installed. Include the xfonts-base version number in that bug |
| 04:44.35 | gravity | darkangel: I'll take a look at them when I'm less tired |
| 04:44.48 | gravity | I don't have the patience to do any more debugging tonight, sorry |
| 04:44.49 | parsonsd | stew: 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 04:44.57 | stew | i'm tired too, bedtime for me |
| 04:45.01 | gravity | stew: Adios |
| 04:45.32 | parsonsd | stew: before you go -- any ideas on what to mess with in booting into 2.6 |
| 04:45.33 | parsonsd | ? |
| 04:45.41 | erudified | debian search engines hate me =( I can't get any results for 'tasn' with partial matching enabled |
| 04:45.41 | darkangel | gravity: I'll try that when I get home tonight |
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| 04:45.52 | andres2 | it's possible to install a motorola ms56 winmodem on debian? |
| 04:45.54 | parsonsd | erudified : how does on use pastebin? |
| 04:46.04 | darkangel | gravity: it says it won't update xorg.conf because it's been modified. .that is annoying :) ..yes, I see how you're right about the modification |
| 04:46.12 | darkangel | gravity: I'd prefer it just blow the whole thing away and start again |
| 04:46.19 | erudified | parsonsd, just go to pastebin.com |
| 04:46.19 | nvz | parsonsd: http://pastebin.com |
| 04:46.25 | parsonsd | ah |
| 04:46.35 | bucky | erudified: apt-cache search tasn |
| 04:46.39 | initard | ok, i'm uninstalling now, how damned selinux got on my system i have no ide |
| 04:46.44 | darkangel | gravity: thanks for your help |
| 04:46.59 | darkangel | Though I presume my problem is going to be widespread :P |
| 04:47.03 | gravity | darkangel: Well, you can move the xorg.conf and maybe it'll write. I don't know, I need to look at the script and debug it, but I can't do that now |
| 04:47.06 | erudified | well I know the package names, I'm trying to find information on a bug in libtasn1-2 |
| 04:47.16 | gravity | darkangel: Sorry, I'll try and get to it in the next few days though |
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| 04:47.58 | erudified | initard, selinux root kit! |
| 04:48.10 | erudified | don't they have some special secure chroot implementation? |
| 04:48.51 | bucky | erudified: what kind of bug and in which version of debian? |
| 04:48.58 | erudified | I seem to remember them addressing the whole return-into-libc and break out of chroot thing |
| 04:49.04 | nvz | eveyone seems too exausted anymore. |
| 04:49.33 | erudified | bucky, well, I'm an idiot. I dist-upgraded from stable to unstable for newer versions of apache and php, hahah, so, libtasn requires libgnutls 1.3.5 and 1.2.9 is the most recent available |
| 04:49.41 | darkangel | gravity: that fixed it |
| 04:49.51 | darkangel | gravity: the whole lot worked after removing the xorg.conf file |
| 04:49.56 | erudified | and I'm just trying to figure out exactly what the bug is, is it in gnutls, libtasn, or what? so I can workaround it temporarily |
| 04:50.23 | erudified | http://lists.debian.org/search.html I select partial matching and search for tasn and I get no results =( |
| 04:50.34 | spoon | whats up with foo bar everywhere? |
| 04:50.38 | parsonsd | erudified : http://pastebin.com/655033 |
| 04:50.39 | Dewi | this is fairly off-topic, but: my boss keeps bringing in a laptop which at his home got the same IP address as my linux machine here at work. He walks in, unhibernates the laptop, and my linux machine suddenly drops off the network. Anyone know how to make winXP release/renew DHCP whenever wireless comes up? |
| 04:50.56 | darkangel | gravity: the fonts directory has been changed from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/share/fonts/X11 in the fonts part of the config file |
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| 04:51.00 | nvz | I met a girl tonight on the west end at a sunoco who's just had about enough of life lately.. it was funny really I've worked at a gas station before so I know what its like. :P just be glad all of you arent working at sunoco or something right now and cheer up :P |
| 04:51.14 | darkangel | gravity: sounds like anyone that customised their config file is going to be rooted after they do an upgrade |
| 04:51.17 | bucky | Dewi: #windows ? |
| 04:51.19 | deadcat | whos officially on xorg 7.0? |
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| 04:51.29 | parsonsd | nvz : i'm happy i'm not at work |
| 04:51.32 | erudified | nvz, a few months ago I was rocking the whopper board at burger king |
| 04:51.47 | Dewi | bucky: I've never gotten an answer in there. But I'll try again. Sigh. |
| 04:51.50 | erudified | so the prospect of fixing broken debian boxes just isn't too scary =) |
| 04:52.03 | Dewi | bucky: not that that's an excuse. I don't have a good excuse. |
| 04:52.03 | gravity | darkangel: Ok, good to hear that was the problem. Could you submit the bug against xorg-server just saying that I need to include a note about that? |
| 04:52.13 | parsonsd | nvz, i came home to a screaming baby, and it was so much more pleasant than the people i have as customers. |
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| 04:52.28 | gravity | darkangel: I'll be sure to notify users who have customized the file with a NEWS.Debian entry |
| 04:52.43 | erudified | Why don't you just give your linux box a different IP? |
| 04:52.45 | gravity | darkangel: That'll at least save others the hassle |
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| 04:53.08 | nvz | no, we just walk in the gas station and the girl behind the counter says something like 'you might as well go somewhere else' with a bit of an attitude. and I sympathetically question "shift change?" and she continues with the attitude 'yeah, and dont get smart there's nothing I can do to speed this up" :P |
| 04:53.31 | nvz | I just laughed and asked her another question "get that a lot?" |
| 04:53.31 | erudified | rawr |
| 04:53.37 | darkangel | gravity: ok |
| 04:53.42 | gravity | darkangel: Wonderful. Thank you! |
| 04:53.46 | nvz | maybe if she didnt have such a fucking attitude people wouldnt talk to her like that |
| 04:53.48 | gravity | I appreciate it |
| 04:53.54 | zenbum | #ubuntuforumns |
| 04:54.01 | nvz | I told her we were from sewickley and learned manners so she wouldn't be hearing that from us |
| 04:54.17 | nvz | my friend was about to cuss her out so I had to do all the talking |
| 04:54.33 | parsonsd | nvz : get her phone number? :) |
| 04:54.39 | erudified | beat it up nvz |
| 04:54.52 | nvz | parsonsd: yeah sunoco on stuben st on the west end she's there now :P |
| 04:54.59 | erudified | call me a three letter acronym when you back that thang up |
| 04:55.00 | nvz | parsonsd: duh |
| 04:55.39 | parsonsd | nvz - glad to hear it. |
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| 04:55.54 | nvz | doubt it, call he she'll probably cop an attitude |
| 04:56.06 | darkangel | gravity: xorg-server doesn't exist |
| 04:56.10 | HPS`Fresh | guys. i have one strange problem |
| 04:56.14 | bucky | Dewi: at the risk of launching into a protracted discussion... is your linux box a static ip? |
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| 04:56.25 | gravity | darkangel: Oh, right. xserver-xorg-core. Sorry, xorg-server is the source package name |
| 04:56.31 | HPS`Fresh | backup:/home/fresh# iptables -L |
| 04:56.31 | HPS`Fresh | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 04:56.31 | HPS`Fresh | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 04:56.31 | HPS`Fresh | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
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| 04:56.46 | Dewi | bucky: yep. |
| 04:57.01 | bucky | Dewi: then so is your boss's ? |
| 04:57.02 | parsonsd | erudified - does that /dev/ look like anything to you? |
| 04:57.02 | Dewi | bucky: it's just windows blundering in and continuing to use an IP it picked up on some previuous network |
| 04:57.09 | Dewi | bucky: using DHCP |
| 04:57.17 | Dewi | bucky: it doesn't release/renew when it sees a new network |
| 04:57.32 | darkangel | gravity: "querying debian bts" blah blah.. it bails out instantly at this point :| |
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| 04:57.42 | Dewi | bucky: sometimes it does, but even then it takes long enough to change that we still tend to lose every socket |
| 04:57.42 | gravity | weird |
| 04:57.46 | darkangel | <sigh> |
| 04:57.51 | gravity | darkangel: Ok, no worries. I'll submit it. Thanks for trying. |
| 04:57.52 | darkangel | no error |
| 04:57.53 | darkangel | no nothing. |
| 04:58.02 | darkangel | It just dumps to the prompt |
| 04:58.10 | darkangel | gravity: thanks, and sorry about that |
| 04:58.13 | gravity | No problem |
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| 04:59.28 | todd | anyone know anything about conky |
| 04:59.35 | nvz | you know news clippings are cool if you clip up news segments and then come back and read them out of context.. |
| 05:00.13 | todd | i installed conky but i need to get it running anyone know the program |
| 05:00.33 | bucky | Dewi: i think this will work on XP http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/47131/47131.html |
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| 05:01.36 | todd | i installed conky but i need to get it running anyone know the program |
| 05:01.39 | Dewi | bucky: that seems to be all about shutdown. I think this guy is just hibernating or putting in standby |
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| 05:02.00 | somequestion | hello, maybe this question is a little odd, but anybody knows, how can i use my color monitor in xfree86 in a gray scale? |
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| 05:02.45 | todd | i installed conky but i need to get it running anyone know the program |
| 05:03.04 | unix_infidel | conky |
| 05:03.07 | todd | yes |
| 05:03.14 | todd | u know it |
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| 05:03.25 | somequestion | todd, yes i know it... need some help? |
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| 05:03.33 | todd | deff need some help |
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| 05:03.43 | todd | how do i get it to run |
| 05:03.51 | somequestion | todd, conky & |
| 05:03.55 | todd | when i type in conky in terminal i get these errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12066 |
| 05:04.07 | somequestion | todd, first you need to edit ~/.conkyrc |
| 05:04.14 | gravity | Why is everyone using this ubuntu paster site? |
| 05:04.16 | todd | can u walk me through it |
| 05:04.38 | liable | gravity: cause the run ubuntu? :) |
| 05:04.51 | somequestion | todd, paste your .conkyrc file |
| 05:04.57 | gravity | liable: Probably |
| 05:05.07 | todd | where do i get my conky rc file |
| 05:05.12 | unix_infidel | anyone know of a music player that's got a super minimalist interface like gmpc but has the same playlist functionality but can browse local files> |
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| 05:05.32 | unix_infidel | w/o mpd having to be running and refreshing the database. |
| 05:05.37 | somequestion | todd, ~/.conkyrc |
| 05:05.59 | kevix | gravity: on irc.gnome.org, #gnome someone told me: gconftool-2 --unset /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme which reset my themes. but still segfaults... now upgrading to x.org 7.0.9 |
| 05:06.05 | todd | in terminal right |
| 05:06.37 | todd | it said permission denied |
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| 05:06.56 | somequestion | todd, ??? the configuration file of conky is located in ~/.conkyrc ( i.e. /home/user/.conkyrc ) |
| 05:07.11 | todd | k let me get it for you |
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| 05:08.06 | todd | theres no conkyrc file in /home/user |
| 05:08.26 | liable | todd. its a dot file, so its hidden.... |
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| 05:08.39 | norskfjord | hi |
| 05:08.48 | norskfjord | I need help setting up my mail server |
| 05:08.53 | norskfjord | and what to use for it |
| 05:09.10 | todd | u talking about the usr folder right not user |
| 05:09.16 | norskfjord | I want to make it use delta9.0xf050.org |
| 05:09.19 | erudified | hmm |
| 05:09.35 | erudified | I just dist-upgraded from my horribly broken unstable to testing as a last resort before a full backup/reinstall |
| 05:09.39 | somequestion | todd, mmm i dont use debian |
| 05:09.41 | erudified | and ill be damned if it doesn't seem to be working ifne |
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| 05:09.48 | somequestion | todd, why don you create one |
| 05:09.56 | todd | i found the conky folder where everythign is at though |
| 05:10.02 | gravity | kevix: Ok, could you file a bug against whatever lib is throwing the errors? |
| 05:10.07 | gravity | kevix: I can't do much about it now |
| 05:10.16 | parsonsd | todd : `ls ~/.conkyrc` |
| 05:10.26 | parsonsd | todd : `ls -al ~/.conkyrc` |
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| 05:10.48 | parsonsd | todd: i think this is the file that somequestion is suggesting that you look at |
| 05:10.53 | norskfjord | what channel can help me with mail servers? |
| 05:11.18 | kevix | gravity: no prob. just though you may have read something about it. back to bug killing.... |
| 05:11.33 | todd | todd@ubuntu:~$ ls -al ~/.conkyrc |
| 05:11.33 | todd | -rw-r--r-- 1 todd todd 4725 2006-04-12 00:08 /home/todd/.conkyrc |
| 05:11.34 | todd | todd@ubuntu:~$ |
| 05:11.55 | erudified | is there some reason for the whole public key missing thing? stuff like that used to never happen |
| 05:12.28 | parsonsd | how do we use dpkg to tell todd about ubuntu? |
| 05:12.45 | todd | huh |
| 05:13.21 | todd | ok i have the conkyrc file open |
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| 05:14.18 | parsonsd | erudified , what has been so broken about it? |
| 05:14.21 | todd | whats next guys |
| 05:14.31 | liable | todd: um, you do realise this channel is *debian*?? |
| 05:14.40 | somequestion | todd, that error of Xft is for the font (allmost sure) but paste the config file... |
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| 05:15.03 | todd | which config file |
| 05:15.06 | litage | is it normal for /proc/self/fd/2 to be owned by user:user rather than root:root or some other system user? |
| 05:15.06 | erudified | parsonsd, about what? debian? nothing, for the most part debian is spectacular |
| 05:15.19 | erudified | but the whole 'can't authenticate packages' thing is really uninspiring to a layman |
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| 05:15.59 | liable | erudified: stuff like that never used to happen cause there wasnt a key before :) |
| 05:16.10 | parsonsd | erudified : where does one get a new key? that sounds like you don't have a recent key against which to verify |
| 05:16.14 | todd | what congif file do u want |
| 05:16.16 | liable | erudified: is this standard debian repos throwing the error? |
| 05:16.45 | somequestion | todd, please paste the file /home/todd/.conkyrc (thats the conky config file for your user) |
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| 05:17.16 | todd | its huge u want it in pastebin? |
| 05:17.25 | somequestion | yes |
| 05:17.28 | parsonsd | somequestion -- maybe specify it as in pastebin |
| 05:17.42 | somequestion | parsonsd, wtf? |
| 05:17.53 | liable | maybe specify it as paste the results in #ubuntu |
| 05:17.54 | somequestion | parsonsd, no one can paste that config file here... is insane |
| 05:18.23 | todd | there u go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12067 |
| 05:18.25 | parsonsd | somequestion -- he seems to be a bit confused about things -- was afraid he might try pasting here. |
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| 05:18.38 | erudified | liable, http.us.debian.org and archive.progeny.com |
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| 05:18.51 | erudified | ahh, so the key is new? that explains it =) |
| 05:18.57 | erudified | I thought it was just transparent |
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| 05:19.26 | somequestion | parsonsd, yes... you are right sorry |
| 05:19.42 | liable | erudified: well, new as in since apt-6.0.. /msg dpkg 2006 key for debian, and you will have to ask the channel of your distro about progeny |
| 05:20.05 | erudified | progeny is a normal debian repo |
| 05:20.11 | hey560 | is this the official debian chat room? |
| 05:20.14 | todd | is that the file u wanted ??? |
| 05:20.30 | parsonsd | somequestion -- the question you had was about settng x.conf as a mono display -- doesnt that go in as the preferred color space in a xf86-4.conf file? |
| 05:20.34 | parsonsd | somequestion -- np |
| 05:20.35 | gpm | hey560, yes |
| 05:20.36 | liable | hey560: not official, and supposed to be for debian, though one cant tell these days |
| 05:20.43 | gpm | lol |
| 05:21.03 | hey560 | um so who's right, gpm or liable |
| 05:21.16 | gpm | it's not official |
| 05:21.18 | liable | hey560: debian.org will tell you |
| 05:21.20 | gpm | but it's the "main" place |
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| 05:22.51 | todd | is that the file u wanted ??? |
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| 05:23.27 | liable | hey560: its not official, but gpm is right, its *the* debian irc channel |
| 05:23.38 | todd | wait do i just copy and paste those conkyrc files form their website into that conkyrc file and save it? |
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| 05:25.17 | somequestion | parsonsd, yes its the option Visual in Display |
| 05:26.10 | todd | ? |
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| 05:26.18 | somequestion | todd, well its a sample config file, i can give you my config file, so you can try it, im sure it will work |
| 05:26.40 | todd | and i just copy and paste it into the conkyrc file right? |
| 05:26.55 | somequestion | todd, but i recommend you that read the manual of conky so you can configure it for your needs |
| 05:27.01 | somequestion | todd, yes |
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| 05:27.12 | todd | wow im a idiot |
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| 05:27.18 | todd | one sec |
| 05:27.21 | liable | !fable |
| 05:27.21 | dpkg | hmm... fable is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 05:27.39 | hey561 | it doesn't say that this is unofficial |
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| 05:28.02 | hey561 | i guess nobody wants any liability |
| 05:28.11 | hey561 | thus nothing is "officially" supported |
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| 05:29.52 | todd | wait its still saying that xft and all those other errors |
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| 05:30.02 | unix_infidel | hey guys, is it possible to use gaim to import a buddy list from another screenname in AIM? |
| 05:30.03 | MrBond82 | Whats the best way in shorewall to setup my linksys voip box ... its currently getting an ip via dhcp and I think shorewall is not allowing traffic in to it :( |
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| 05:30.13 | liable | HPS`Fresh: hrm, you are right, it did use to say it was unofficial.. |
| 05:30.23 | liable | meh |
| 05:30.31 | liable | HPS`Fresh: sorry wrong nick |
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| 05:31.29 | somequestion | todd, here it is... sorrt for the late http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12069 |
| 05:32.14 | Tsarin | can anyone help explain the way apt handles config files when it removes a package? I have added packages, then moved then and then get cron errors because the cron scripts are still on my system. |
| 05:32.25 | somequestion | todd, look, i comented out some lines, just check it, try it..., replace your old .conkyrc file with the one i paste to you |
| 05:32.45 | Tsarin | what does rc mean when I do a dpkg -l |
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| 05:33.05 | jm_ | Tsarin: at the top of dpkg -l output are three lines explaining what rc means |
| 05:33.06 | liable | Tsarin: it means config files remain. purge the package |
| 05:33.21 | Tsarin | apt-get purge packagename ? |
| 05:34.01 | kevix | Tsarin: 'remove' removes the binary but leaves the config files and purge removes both |
| 05:34.09 | Tsarin | cool. thank you |
| 05:34.43 | Tsarin | *~>sudo apt-get purge drupal |
| 05:34.43 | Tsarin | Password: |
| 05:34.43 | Tsarin | E: Invalid operation purge |
| 05:34.50 | Tsarin | ? |
| 05:34.54 | liable | man apt-get? |
| 05:35.07 | kevix | Tsarin: apt-get --purge remove drupal |
| 05:35.27 | Tsarin | thanks |
| 05:36.10 | kevix | Tsarin: the ideas is that if you remove the package, you may want it installed latter, and Debian assumes you'd want to keep it configured the same way. |
| 05:36.27 | Tsarin | ok. that makes sense |
| 05:36.32 | Tsarin | useful even |
| 05:36.41 | Tsarin | but I get this: Package drupal is not installed, so not removed |
| 05:36.55 | Tsarin | grrr |
| 05:37.22 | jm_ | dpkg to the rescue |
| 05:37.26 | Tsarin | don't mean to be gritty on this, but I've used rpms for 6 years and I'm like 3 months into apt and the rules are all different |
| 05:37.30 | somequestion | todd, do you replace the contents of the file? |
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| 05:38.26 | kevix | Tsarin: dpkg --purge drupal |
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| 05:38.49 | Tsarin | YEAH! thank you |
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| 05:39.16 | Tsarin | I wish |
| 05:39.58 | todd | one sec |
| 05:40.19 | somequestion | todd, ok, but you undersant what you have to do? |
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| 05:40.55 | kevix | Tsarin: apt-get install apt-howto |
| 05:41.25 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:41.25 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:42.54 | todd | heres what came up interm |
| 05:42.56 | todd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12072 |
| 05:43.20 | kevix | tarzeau: was checking out io.debian.net/~tar/bug.... |
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| 05:44.14 | somequestion | todd, let me fix my config file to your needs / system |
| 05:44.20 | somequestion | todd, 1 sec |
| 05:45.20 | tarzeau | kevix: bugstats. like it? |
| 05:45.33 | tarzeau | kevix: i guess i should add # ranking, real names and a few other things... |
| 05:45.40 | tarzeau | kevix: how's your karma? |
| 05:45.43 | todd | k man take ur time |
| 05:45.44 | tarzeau | blessed? cursed? |
| 05:45.59 | kevix | tarzeau: seem ok. just not sure what to make of it. also, what about people who have more than one email? |
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| 05:46.21 | tarzeau | kevix: not sure about more than one email but those with + in email, will get fixed... |
| 05:46.27 | litage | how do you add an entry to the sudoers file that allows user "bob" to run "/foo/bar asdf" with exactly 3 arbitrary arguments? this doesn't do it: bob boxA=(root) NOPASSWD: /foo/bar asdf .* .* .* |
| 05:46.35 | tarzeau | kevix: i'll setup a cronjob and it'll berun daily... |
| 05:46.58 | tarzeau | kevix: and i should split off co-maintainers/uploaders from the src pkg count |
| 05:47.44 | kevix | tarzeau: if someone has 0 bugs, does that mean: they are leet coders or folks who dont handle many pkgs? |
| 05:47.56 | tarzeau | kevix: it can be both |
| 05:48.08 | tarzeau | kevix: it's not about bugs anyways, it's about karma! |
| 05:48.19 | somequestion | todd, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12073 use this |
| 05:48.21 | kevix | tarzeau: I saw conky@debian.org RIP. |
| 05:48.25 | tarzeau | kevix: the karma calculation needs be made better too |
| 05:48.29 | wooya510 | Excuseme. I have a problem. I installed dhcp3-server and allocated from 172.16.200.50 to 172.16.200.200. But In dhcp clients, they recived ip address as 192.168.123.x. dhcp.conf is no problem. what is the problem?? |
| 05:49.08 | sep | litage, im nor sure you can do that. but you could make a wrappwer script that discarded all but 3 args and allow the user to use that wrapperscript thru sudo |
| 05:49.27 | jm_ | litage: why .*? |
| 05:49.52 | tarzeau | kevix: i can't find conky... |
| 05:50.10 | litage | sep: not sure what you mean...one thing i'm pretty sure about is that sudo will *not* act on any non-binary executable, so you can set run a shell script through sudo, for instance |
| 05:50.44 | sep | litage, sudo will happily run a shellscript. you mean setuid probably |
| 05:50.56 | litage | hrmm |
| 05:51.13 | todd | heres what came up http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12075 |
| 05:51.23 | litage | jm_: going through ``man sudoers'' says that a sudoers entry can accept wildcards, such as * and ? |
| 05:51.31 | tarzeau | kevix: tried brutalchess yet? |
| 05:51.50 | litage | jm_: i tried .* simply because of regexes. i also tried it without the ".", but that didn't achieve the desired result either |
| 05:51.56 | kevix | tarzeau: not yet. iirc its your pkg. |
| 05:52.12 | jm_ | litage: yes, *, but not .* -- it has ? though |
| 05:52.25 | tarzeau | kevix: i have two things to fix in it, but yes. it's great. the computer is not tooo powerful though |
| 05:52.41 | jm_ | litage: the problem with * is that it matches zero or more |
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| 05:53.01 | litage | jm_: quite right |
| 05:53.13 | litage | jm_: which is why i thought .* since that would match 1 or more |
| 05:53.16 | somequestion | todd, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12074 |
| 05:53.25 | somequestion | todd, try with this one |
| 05:53.27 | litage | jm_: the sudoers manpage doesn't mention '+', so i assume that's out of the question |
| 05:53.36 | jm_ | litage: no, it would match zero or more '.'-s |
| 05:53.59 | kevix | tarzeau: d/l'ing it now. lets hope it doesnt segfault like everything else... |
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| 05:54.13 | litage | ah right, whoops |
| 05:54.27 | todd | dude u are god |
| 05:54.30 | todd | nice |
| 05:54.31 | tarzeau | kevix: everything else of me? no it doesn't, i've fixed that thing. it was the png pictures without alpha that made it crash only with non-free video drivers |
| 05:54.38 | Halitherses | I am having getting my new printer working |
| 05:54.46 | Halitherses | it works under windows |
| 05:55.00 | todd | now heres one more question |
| 05:55.07 | Halitherses | how can i check i have a parallel port in my kernel? |
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| 05:55.28 | litage | jm_: so is there a way to allow a user to run ``/foo/bar asdf arg1 arg2 arg3'', where arg[1-3] are completely unspecified? |
| 05:55.28 | todd | if i select one of those files from the conky website and throw them in this file will they work or will i have to edit them |
| 05:55.37 | spoon | what is the difference between dpkg and apt-get? |
| 05:55.43 | kevix | tarzeau: its not that. its my system. ever since I upgraded my sid system since last week, firefox, gedit, ephipahy and many more are segfaulting. |
| 05:56.08 | Halitherses | apt-get get the package off a server |
| 05:56.12 | liable | spoon: apt-get is a front end to dpkg |
| 05:56.21 | tarzeau | kevix: strange. |
| 05:56.24 | Halitherses | to use dpkg tou need the package local |
| 05:56.27 | todd | ??? |
| 05:56.27 | valdyn | kevix: you might have to reinstall the library common to those applications crashing |
| 05:56.28 | liable | !tell spoon about reference |
| 05:56.44 | jm_ | litage: maybe something like [!<whatever matches white space]+ ... |
| 05:57.04 | kevix | valdyn: xterm is ok. gnome-term segfault. dillo is ok. firefox segfault. |
| 05:57.15 | tarzeau | kevix: links2 is ok too i guess |
| 05:57.22 | kevix | tarzeau: yes. |
| 05:57.27 | tarzeau | kevix: no error msg if you start any of the gnome apps in a xterm? |
| 05:57.48 | tarzeau | kevix: i can't belive anyone uses gnome-term (or konsole) ever checked their BTS entries? |
| 05:57.58 | valdyn | kevix: reinstall the gnome libraries or chances are that 'strace -eopen <gedit>' will show the faulty file last |
| 05:58.02 | kevix | tarzeau: I just noticed stuff in .xsession-errors. but most of them just 'segault'after staring. |
| 05:58.24 | kevix | valdyn: will try. |
| 05:58.39 | todd | why dose conky close when i close terminal |
| 05:58.54 | tarzeau | todd: did you start conky in terminal? |
| 05:59.01 | todd | yea |
| 05:59.04 | tarzeau | todd: because it's a child process |
| 05:59.09 | tarzeau | todd: try conky & disown |
| 05:59.16 | tarzeau | todd: or conky, then ctrl-z, then disown |
| 05:59.17 | todd | do what now |
| 05:59.18 | spoon | cool thanks everyone |
| 05:59.23 | tarzeau | todd: no. now it's closed |
| 05:59.41 | tarzeau | todd: but try again, then closing terminal will not take down conky, since the process will be detached from it's parent |
| 05:59.43 | todd | its opne again |
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| 05:59.59 | todd | what do i do |
| 06:00.04 | tarzeau | todd: i just told you |
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| 06:00.20 | todd | again sorry |
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| 06:01.37 | parsonsd | todd:< tarzeau> todd: try conky & disown |
| 06:01.46 | todd | it worked thanks man |
| 06:01.57 | Andur | xorg 7.0 just appeared on Sid |
| 06:02.14 | Andur | and after upgrading I think I lost x11 |
| 06:02.31 | Andur | I must've done something wrong |
| 06:03.01 | jimmybgood | Andur: no, I spent a couple hours reversing the mess |
| 06:03.02 | Andur | startx complains that it can't find modules bitmap and pcidata, any ideas? |
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| 06:03.38 | Andur | well, I've been 3 hours already |
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| 06:03.58 | Andur | I cant fix it with dpkg, apt-get or aptitude |
| 06:04.15 | Andur | I'm out of ideas at this point |
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| 06:04.52 | jimmybgood | Andur: give up, it's horribly broken |
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| 06:05.15 | Andur | I'm willing to downgrade to 6.9 |
| 06:05.28 | Andur | in fact I think that's what my aptitude finally did |
| 06:05.40 | Andur | with a score of -1200 or something xD |
| 06:05.44 | Eclipser | haha |
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| 06:06.32 | Andur | the thing is I don't know how to get my x11 back |
| 06:06.47 | Andur | I'm stuck with ncurses |
| 06:07.54 | valdyn | Andur: libbitmap.so in xorg 7 is supposed to be in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/ and in the package xserver-xorg-core, old locations is probably /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts |
| 06:08.07 | jimmybgood | Andur: remove it all, change your sources to testing and reinstall |
| 06:08.20 | Andur | I use Sid |
| 06:08.31 | Andur | changing just sources.list will do? |
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| 06:09.03 | ice_1963 | you toy breaker |
| 06:09.23 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 06:09.27 | Andur | heh |
| 06:09.38 | Andur | Sid used toys |
| 06:09.42 | Andur | i use Sid |
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| 06:10.03 | Andur | well, tonight I'm not sure who's using who |
| 06:10.16 | Andur | I should have gone to sleep hours ago |
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| 06:11.01 | ice_1963 | Andur: what kernel is in sid right? |
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| 06:11.32 | ice_1963 | now |
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| 06:12.54 | zOOz_ | hi all |
| 06:12.57 | zOOz_ | i have LSI20320-R and 4 SCSI hard disks, is it possible to build two independent RAID1? |
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| 06:13.34 | Andur | valdyn , I just copied libbitmap.so to the old location, no luck :-/ |
| 06:14.23 | Andur | so, switching to testing is the only solution right now? |
| 06:14.58 | jimmybgood | Andur: just switch long enough to reinstall xorg |
| 06:15.04 | jimmybgood | then switch back |
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| 06:15.16 | Andur | ice_1963, the last kernel from kernel.org |
| 06:15.17 | blujay | Andur: what command did you issue to upgrade to 7? |
| 06:15.29 | Andur | well, that's tricky |
| 06:15.33 | Andur | I used Synaptic |
| 06:15.42 | blujay | ok, what package did you select first? |
| 06:15.54 | Andur | "dist-upgrade" would be the short answer |
| 06:16.09 | Andur | intelligent upgrade that is |
| 06:16.10 | blujay | so you set your apt preferences to unstable and dist-upgraded? |
| 06:16.20 | ice_1963 | is it linux-image-2.6.16- |
| 06:16.27 | Andur | I've been using Sid for a year or so |
| 06:17.00 | blujay | Andur: ok...well...are there, by any chance, any 6.9 packages left in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 06:17.01 | Andur | 3 or 4 I think, not too sure right now, ice |
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| 06:17.17 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 06:17.43 | Andur | lots of them in fact, yes |
| 06:18.08 | blujay | Andur: it's possible, if not that likely, that you might have all of them there and be able to reinstall 6.9 with the packages you still have there |
| 06:18.34 | Andur | aptitude did that, no joy |
| 06:18.41 | blujay | Andur: what do you mean? |
| 06:19.01 | Andur | aptitude did a lot of things already :-) |
| 06:19.05 | blujay | hahaha |
| 06:19.27 | blujay | Andur: personally, this is why I use mostly testing and only selected things from unstable |
| 06:19.48 | blujay | Andur: so what's the exact problem right now? (or do you not want to go through this again?) |
| 06:20.12 | Andur | as a rule of thumb I never waste "human time" until I tried everything, if I actually come to #debian it means I'm really desperate :-) |
| 06:20.23 | blujay | Andur: right. that's good |
| 06:20.32 | blujay | Andur: what does "everything" include? =) |
| 06:20.33 | ice_1963 | shoutcast is down |
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| 06:21.06 | Andur | well, right now when I startx it doesn-t find the bitmap and pcidata modules |
| 06:21.21 | blujay | Andur: do you know what packages those files are in? |
| 06:21.46 | Andur | I do have libbitmap.so |
| 06:22.36 | liable | Andur: how did you get aptitude to downgrade xorg? |
| 06:22.53 | Andur | well, I'm pretty sleepy right now |
| 06:22.59 | Andur | I'm on the CET timezone |
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| 06:23.56 | Andur | but I think I just kept trying "aptitude install xorg" and similar, and answered "no" until it showed a solution that included downgrading from 7.0 to 6.9 |
| 06:23.56 | Tsarin | ok - so I have a wierd question about display widths. when I run dpkg -l and send it through grep,less,more, or pipe it to a file - the display is limited to like 60 columns, and the package names get truncated. but when I run the command without any other pipe or redirect, the output fills the width of my screen. shown here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12076 |
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| 06:24.11 | Andur | not very scientific I know :-) |
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| 06:24.16 | blujay | Andur: are any packages broken right now? |
| 06:24.29 | courmisch | xserver-xorg is unusable |
| 06:24.31 | Tsarin | the problem is I want the name of a package that flies off my screen when not piped |
| 06:24.44 | StanTheMan | is there a "put" counterpart util to LFTPGET? |
| 06:24.55 | sep | Tsarin, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 06:25.06 | wenchien | after upgrade xorg from 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 to 1:7.0.10, <ctrl><alt><Fx> stop working... |
| 06:25.11 | wenchien | and gnome complains that "The X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings." |
| 06:25.21 | Andur | no broken packages, just checked again |
| 06:25.25 | blujay | wenchien: file a bug? |
| 06:25.32 | Tsarin | thanks |
| 06:25.50 | blujay | Andur: have you tried --reinstall install xserver-xorg? |
| 06:26.49 | eriktorbjorn | wenchien: I had problems with my keyboard, too, until I installed the xkb-data package. |
| 06:27.18 | courmisch | wenchien: same problem here |
| 06:27.28 | courmisch | wenchien: also, my Shift key is no working either |
| 06:27.31 | Andur | just tried that blujay, no difference |
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| 06:27.56 | blujay | Andur: how about $apt-get -t testing install xserver-xorg$ ? |
| 06:28.05 | Andur | I totally lost x11 wenchien, consider yourself lucky :-) |
| 06:28.16 | Andur | good idea, gonna try that one |
| 06:28.29 | liable | heh, glad i did an upgrade instead of dist-upgrade.. |
| 06:29.10 | Andur | it tells me it's already upgraded blujay |
| 06:29.33 | blujay | Andur: well, this is windowsy, but have you tried rebooting? |
| 06:29.39 | Andur | yes |
| 06:29.52 | Andur | I also try uninstaling initng |
| 06:29.57 | blujay | Andur: ok, you said it can't find two files...have you verified that they are on the system? |
| 06:29.57 | eriktorbjorn | Silly question: After the Xorg update in unstable, which package should I install if I want the xorg.conf manual page and Debian X FAQ? Call me strange, but I enjoy reading documentation. Occasionally. :-) |
| 06:30.28 | Andur | yes blujay, they are on the 7.0 path, I already copied them to the 6.9 one, I think |
| 06:31.03 | Andur | xserver-xorg is the whole shebang, or is there a "bigger" metapackage? |
| 06:31.19 | blujay | well there's x-window-system-core, I think... |
| 06:31.28 | Andur | I did install that |
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| 06:31.35 | valdyn | Andur: 'xorg' is the meta package, or you can use the old metapackage names too |
| 06:31.41 | wenchien | eriktorbjorn: just installed xkb-data, no luck... >_< |
| 06:31.45 | blujay | Andur: are you sure all of your x-related packages are from testing? |
| 06:32.04 | blujay | Andur: it seems to me that if you're having to manually copy some files, you may have the wrong versions of some packages |
| 06:32.13 | valdyn | !remove X |
| 06:32.13 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 06:32.15 | wenchien | courmisch: okay, so i'm not the only one with this problem.... |
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| 06:32.47 | eriktorbjorn | wenchien: Even after restarting X? (I don't know if it's necessary, but I did it inadvertently several times while hunting for another problem I had.) |
| 06:33.01 | Andur | but if I do a purge I'll lose my configs :-/ |
| 06:33.14 | wenchien | eriktorbjorn: yeap, X restarted. |
| 06:33.15 | valdyn | Andur: you shouldnt need to purge |
| 06:33.22 | courmisch | can't even downgrade |
| 06:33.23 | blujay | Andur: I suppose it could be a config problem...though not really likely, IMO |
| 06:33.28 | followmearound | so I have a userspace nfsv4 server running (rpcinfo -p shows " 100003 4 tcp 2049 nfs") ... but when I run mount -t nfs, I get "mount: RPC: Program not registered," and when I do mount -t nfs4, I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option ..." ... I have no idea why |
| 06:33.30 | valdyn | Andur: but you need to remove _all_ xorg 7 packages |
| 06:33.32 | courmisch | it would remove all dektop apps |
| 06:33.42 | valdyn | Andur: xorg 7 doesnt bring new code or new configuration anyway |
| 06:33.51 | Andur | yes, I know |
| 06:33.52 | valdyn | Andur: so it shouldnt hurt if config stays |
| 06:34.16 | Andur | I'm gonna change my apt-pinning |
| 06:34.24 | Andur | it's set to unstable at 800 |
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| 06:34.40 | Andur | I'll change it to testing |
| 06:34.57 | valdyn | just upgraded to xorg7, lets see if it works |
| 06:35.05 | Andur | and then apt-get remove x11-common, then apt-get install x-window-system core |
| 06:35.12 | Andur | should that work? |
| 06:35.12 | huhlig | dpkg libapache2-mod-jk2 |
| 06:35.19 | huhlig | hmm |
| 06:35.20 | wenchien | Andur: not that lucky... my gnome stop working... :P |
| 06:35.30 | eriktorbjorn | Another problem I had after upgrading X was that I could no longer log in using wdm or xdm. I eventually got around the problem by making /etc/X11/Xsession executable. Was that wrong? |
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| 06:36.35 | blujay | Andur: if you look, x-window-system-core is still at 6.9, while xserver-xorg is at 7.0 |
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| 06:38.38 | Andur | I just when to apt/preferences and changed "unstable" for testing and now apt complains about a wrong format |
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| 06:39.11 | blujay | Andur: you probably made a mistake |
| 06:39.45 | Andur | I haven't slept in 30 hours or so, that's a possibility |
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| 06:39.50 | Andur | :-) |
| 06:39.56 | Vyrus001 | is there a package for configing gtk skins and such ? |
| 06:40.04 | blujay | Andur: this is no help, but if I were you, I'd stick with testing for stuff like X :) |
| 06:40.12 | Andur | gtk-theme-switch2 Vyrus |
| 06:40.12 | blujay | Vyrus001: yes, use $apt-cache search$ to find it |
| 06:40.13 | StanTheMan | help with lftpget? my syntax or something is apparently wrong.... |
| 06:40.14 | chaedaeX_ | Vyrus001: gtk-theme-switch |
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| 06:40.55 | Vyrus001 | blujay, chaedaeX_ thanx |
| 06:40.55 | Andur | normally apt-listbugs catches things like this |
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| 06:41.17 | StanTheMan | lftpget -v user:pwd@//greer.hardwarefreak.com/home/stan/maillog.html is my syntax corect? |
| 06:41.21 | Andur | hey Vyrus I answered first :-) |
| 06:41.33 | blujay | Andur: it just hit unstable, man :) |
| 06:41.44 | jm_ | StanTheMan: no |
| 06:41.52 | StanTheMan | jm_: sup! |
| 06:41.52 | blujay | Andur: apt-listbugs requires people like *you* to file the bugs before they show up :) |
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| 06:42.13 | jm_ | StanTheMan: remove // |
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| 06:42.44 | StanTheMan | jm_: i tried scrolling back up to where you mentioned it earlier, but my chatzilla buffer isn't that large... |
| 06:42.44 | Vyrus001 | Adrian, ah u did.. my bad :p |
| 06:42.44 | Andur | I would, but I'm not sure if it's a bug, or what package triggered it |
| 06:42.44 | valdyn | hmm, upgrade to xorg7 worked about as well as expected.. |
| 06:42.51 | Vyrus001 | Adrian, u dont happen to know the package that has the kdm config util do you ? |
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| 06:43.00 | blujay | Andur: first thing to do, probably, is post to the x-strike-force lists. Or you could just go ahead and file a bug on xserver-xorg. They tend to respond to bugs quickly, I think. |
| 06:43.09 | Vyrus001 | Andur, u dont happen to know the package that has the kdm config util do you ? |
| 06:43.17 | Andur | kdebase I suppose |
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| 06:43.31 | Vyrus001 | ... |
| 06:43.41 | Vyrus001 | realy rather not but that huge ass thing in |
| 06:43.45 | StanTheMan | jm_: sigh... "get: Not connected" |
| 06:43.48 | blujay | Vyrus001: $apt-cache search kdm$ |
| 06:43.48 | chaedaeX_ | Vyrus001: which kdm_config; dpkg -S <full path of kdc_config> |
| 06:44.08 | followmearound | grrrr ... I'm now running the nfs-kernel-server and rpcinfo clearly shows an nfs 4 export, but mount -t nfs4 is still flipping out |
| 06:44.13 | Vyrus001 | thanx |
| 06:44.15 | StanTheMan | jm_: i can manually connect just fine.... |
| 06:44.22 | jm_ | StanTheMan: add ftp:// at the beginning, you can use -d for debugging |
| 06:44.32 | Andur | I am sooo overwriting my root partition with Kanotix :-)) |
| 06:44.40 | blujay | Andur: nah, use Kubuntu |
| 06:44.40 | tengulre11 | I want to ask a problem, does the debian suit enterprise ? for example, a big web server. |
| 06:44.47 | blujay | tengulre11: yes |
| 06:44.48 | valdyn | tengulre11: yes |
| 06:44.53 | Andur | I want pure Debian |
| 06:44.56 | blujay | tengulre11: www.dreamhost.com is an example |
| 06:45.34 | blujay | Andur: well how will Kanotix help, then? |
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| 06:46.32 | valdyn | for whatever reason upgrading to xorg7 worked near flawless for me so i suspect whatever may be going wrong for some is very small things |
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| 06:48.29 | courmisch | well, Shift key not working may be small, but is extremely severe |
| 06:48.37 | tengulre11 | we have a communication server runnig under redhat before, I want to repot it to debian. anybody can give me some tips. our comm server provide FAX(32 lines), SMS(8 lines), MTA. |
| 06:48.43 | StanTheMan | jm_: works. thx. i had to kill the path though, as proftpd dropped me in my homedir upon connecting, so the path ended up at "/home/stan/home/stan/maillog.html" |
| 06:49.06 | blujay | tengulre11: have you googled for "switching red hat debian" ? |
| 06:49.35 | simonrvn | !debtakeover |
| 06:49.35 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 06:50.01 | blujay | Andur: I'm leaving now. Please post to debian-user with the solution, when you find it. :) |
| 06:50.08 | kevix | tengulre11: if you run stable (now 'sarge') its for 24/7 use. BUT vendors dont normall support anything expect SUSE and RedHat |
| 06:50.09 | Andur | ok, If I apt-get remove x11-common I will lose 2.5 GB of packages |
| 06:50.17 | valdyn | tengulre11: you might want to use http://packages.debian.org/ if the software you require is in debian/sarge |
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| 06:50.25 | Andur | thank you blujay |
| 06:50.32 | blujay | Andur: good luck |
| 06:50.46 | Andur | I'll just uninstall x11-common and install kde from testing |
| 06:51.01 | Andur | and sleep 2 hours before going to work |
| 06:51.07 | blujay | Andur: :) |
| 06:51.24 | Andur | following the white rabbit would have been a better plan for the night |
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| 06:51.43 | Andur | Reinhardt will kill me regardless :-) |
| 06:52.03 | tengulre11 | I think the debian is only suit desktop, is it? |
| 06:52.27 | valdyn | tengulre11: on the contrary, the popular opinion is that its for servers |
| 06:52.39 | Andur | ok, so apt-get warns me that what I will do is very dagerous, and requires me to type in spanish Yes, DO WHAT I SAY |
| 06:52.43 | Andur | xD |
| 06:52.54 | valdyn | tengulre11: long release times and the extensive testing done on it are more or less 'for' servers anyway |
| 06:52.59 | courmisch | no luck downgrading to testing's xserver |
| 06:53.16 | courmisch | xutils/testing fails to install because of xfonts-utils/unstable |
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| 06:53.39 | valdyn | courmisch: you have to remove Xorg7 COMPLETELY before installing the old xorg 6.9 |
| 06:53.52 | Andur | can someone remind me the command to switch wo spanish locale? |
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| 06:54.12 | valdyn | Andur: dpkg-reconfigure locales, logout, log in |
| 06:54.19 | fireba11 | Andur: export LANG=ES_es |
| 06:54.52 | Andur | locale seems right, keyboard definition not |
| 06:55.01 | Andur | zzzZzz |
| 06:55.15 | courmisch | valdyn: that would mean removing all desktop apps as well |
| 06:55.18 | courmisch | valdyn: not quite an option |
| 06:55.26 | valdyn | courmisch: your problem |
| 06:55.43 | Andur | I'm gonna do that right now |
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| 06:55.58 | Andur | I wanted a "desktop apps purge" anyway |
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| 06:56.32 | Andur | so, when I type "locale" everything seems OK but my keyboard is still on en_US |
| 06:57.05 | valdyn | Andur: that is an issue with Xorg7 I think |
| 06:57.25 | kevix | Andur: its es_ES (or es_ES.UTF8) |
| 06:57.37 | Andur | so, how am I suppose to type YES, DO WHAT I SAY! ... in spanish??? |
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| 06:58.15 | Andur | argh |
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| 06:58.34 | Andur | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.44 | Andur | to uninstall with apt-get |
| 06:58.47 | itguy | i am buying a new dell machine next week, and i am thinking to use the old one which is P3 120 GB as a linux server, and use the new box as windows...i'll be doing alot of graphics..so am looking to use the debian machine as a server that the windows box will get internet from and use the debian as a storage too...any advice |
| 06:58.57 | Andur | thos kind of confirmations shouldnt be unicoded |
| 06:59.04 | valdyn | Andur: LC_ALL=C apt-get blah |
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| 06:59.45 | Andur | but of course valdyn, sorry, I am totally asleep right now |
| 07:00.02 | shogunx | itguy make the windows box a linux box instead;) |
| 07:00.08 | valdyn | itguy: use samba for storage, use the ipmasq package for connection sharing |
| 07:00.10 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 07:00.10 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 07:01.05 | kevix | itguy: there are some cool thing to check out: inkscape and xara as well as synfig and gimp. |
| 07:01.16 | Andur | ok, uninstalling 2.6 GB of desktop apps right now... it's as if millions of kbytes cried in terror, and were suddenly silenced |
| 07:01.30 | shogunx | kevix itguy: don't forget blender too. |
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| 07:01.40 | kevix | shogunx: yes! |
| 07:01.40 | Halitherses | how do i get cups to use /dev/lp0? |
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| 07:01.52 | Halitherses | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:02.14 | streuner | Halitherses: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 07:02.14 | Halitherses | !cups |
| 07:02.14 | dpkg | [cups] a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 07:02.49 | streuner | Halitherses: cat /proc/version |
| 07:03.17 | kevix | itguy: also google for dynebolic live cd |
| 07:03.23 | Halitherses | Linux version 2.6.15.060225 (root@londra) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)) #1 PREEMPT Sat Feb 25 14:48:34 EST 2006 |
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| 07:03.34 | shogunx | kevix itguy: and imagemagick for shell based image manipulation goodness. excellent for annoying repetitive tasks. |
| 07:03.54 | followmearound | when I try to mount -t nfs4, I get an error, I think b/c it's trying to run mount.nfs4 which doesn't exist ... any ideas? |
| 07:04.11 | kevix | itguy: also, if you get a wacom graphic table, linux can support that! |
| 07:04.12 | streuner | Halitherses: read the factoid and use an official kernel to make sure its not an kernel issue |
| 07:04.18 | Andur | I would make the P3 a small desktop too, the firestater frontend to iptables makes connection sharing really easy |
| 07:04.19 | sep | followmearound, mount -t nfs |
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| 07:05.07 | followmearound | sep: that's for nfs v2/v3 |
| 07:05.26 | shogunx | itguy: for 3 degress of freedom 3d modeling hook up your fav joystick. |
| 07:05.28 | valdyn | !find mount.nfs4 |
| 07:05.41 | shogunx | er, 6 degress of freedom. |
| 07:05.44 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mount.nfs4' returned no results. |
| 07:05.48 | followmearound | no ... it's not that ... it tries the kernel mount call first and that fails, so then it tries mount.nfs4 ... |
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| 07:06.51 | simonrvn | see the recent nfs pakages in sid. has a README for NFSv4 |
| 07:06.56 | simonrvn | packages* |
| 07:07.05 | itguy | valdyn: okay since am going to put the linux server for example in a hidden place"hard to get to" can i like remote connect to it from the windows box...i know about putty is there is anything i can use in windows that will give me a graphical interface of the linux? |
| 07:07.15 | StanTheMan | jm_: geez... i must desiring to do something extraordinary with crontabs....run the job as root (su), but I don't know how to create it as belonging to root or su |
| 07:07.18 | RadSurfer | At the risk of asking an obvious ques: what the the URL to download debian ? |
| 07:07.41 | followmearound | (this is ubuntu, actually, but that channel's being useless) ... I can't understand why the kernel is bitching when it reports nfs4 as a usable fstype |
| 07:07.44 | followmearound | grahhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 07:07.53 | kevix | itguy: there are some Xservers for windows that you can use to ssh -X with. |
| 07:08.08 | Andur | and you could use VNC, like with tightVNC too |
| 07:08.25 | saloxin | RadSurfer: Getting Debian - http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 07:08.29 | kevix | Andur: and rdesktop ? |
| 07:08.33 | RadSurfer | thanks. |
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| 07:08.38 | jm_ | StanTheMan: simply run crontab -e as root |
| 07:08.39 | sep | itguy, the best you can do is use freenx it's fast and usable |
| 07:08.49 | StanTheMan | jm_: */5 * * * * /home/stan/log-convert I know to put that in the file "job" and then execute "crontab job" |
| 07:08.54 | sep | itguy, ssh -X is the next best thing if you have good conenction to the box |
| 07:09.02 | sep | itguy, VNC is jerky and slow. |
| 07:09.06 | sep | !freenx |
| 07:09.06 | dpkg | freenx is probably a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 07:09.20 | StanTheMan | jm_: so ... "crontab -e job"? |
| 07:09.46 | StanTheMan | jm_: with job containing only "*/5 * * * * /command/to/execute" |
| 07:09.49 | itguy | sep: vnc is bad right.. where can i get ssh -x ? and i can use it in the windows machine right? |
| 07:10.09 | StanTheMan | jm_: will that work? I don't need the email every 5 mins...do i'd rather not have the email option enabled |
| 07:10.12 | jm_ | StanTheMan: no, just "crontab -e", brings up an editor |
| 07:10.14 | Andur | freenx is probably easier |
| 07:10.28 | sep | itguy, ssh -X is a tad tricy on windows. freenx is much easier |
| 07:10.44 | sep | itguy, but you can use cygwin and it's xserver and ssh if you must |
| 07:11.18 | sep | itguy, i run freenx to get to my computer from home/trip, from both windows and linux computers |
| 07:11.21 | StanTheMan | jm_: can I just put "*/5 * * * * /home/stan/log-convert" as the only entry in the job? in the editor? |
| 07:11.34 | jm_ | StanTheMan: sure |
| 07:11.48 | Andur | so, after I uninstalled everything with apt-get remove x11-common... should I just apt-get kde with apt-pinning set to testing to get xorg 6.9? |
| 07:11.50 | StanTheMan | jm_: is it required to have more than just that one line? |
| 07:11.51 | jm_ | StanTheMan: make sure to end it with a newline |
| 07:12.06 | StanTheMan | jm_: CR/LF? |
| 07:12.14 | valdyn | Andur: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core kde' |
| 07:12.18 | jm_ | StanTheMan: just press <enter> after log-convert ;) |
| 07:12.25 | StanTheMan | hehe |
| 07:12.27 | StanTheMan | :) |
| 07:12.51 | StanTheMan | jm_: cron is expecting a CR/LF at the end of the line i assume |
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| 07:13.15 | jm_ | StanTheMan: newline yes, man crontab for details (section BUGS) |
| 07:13.18 | StanTheMan | jm_: does my current dir matter when i execute "crontab -e" |
| 07:13.27 | jm_ | StanTheMan: no |
| 07:13.50 | Andur | ok valdyn, I'll do that, it's still uninstalling all desktop files |
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| 07:14.40 | Andur | it should have some kind of progress feedback |
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| 07:15.18 | StanTheMan | jm_: can I use standard bach commands within that perl script? say, at the top, "cd /home/stan" |
| 07:15.30 | StanTheMan | jm_: bash not bach sry |
| 07:15.46 | jm_ | StanTheMan: no, Perl has chdir, not cd |
| 07:15.50 | jm_ | so chrdir /foo |
| 07:15.55 | StanTheMan | k |
| 07:15.57 | StanTheMan | thx |
| 07:15.57 | itguy | sep: will freenx , let me connect and install pkg in linux box if i want to? |
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| 07:17.23 | kevix | StanTheMan: you can use system("some command") in a pinch. |
| 07:17.50 | StanTheMan | jm_: "chdir (/home/stan/)"? is that the syntax i need? |
| 07:17.54 | sep | itguy, ofcouse, but putty will also let you do that |
| 07:18.06 | cafuego | chdir("/home/stan"); |
| 07:18.15 | StanTheMan | jm_: i mean "chdir (/home/stan)" |
| 07:18.18 | jm_ | StanTheMan: chdir 'foo' - () is optional |
| 07:18.19 | cafuego | avoid system() if possible, it spawns shells. |
| 07:18.39 | kevix | StanTheMan: where's your camel/lama book at? x-) |
| 07:19.06 | jm_ | StanTheMan: but you don't need chdir, just specify absolute path to files |
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| 07:19.20 | itguy | sep: i'm sorry ...is freenx a windows application, and will it give me access to kde? |
| 07:19.24 | StanTheMan | duh... I think i already did hehe |
| 07:19.56 | kevix | itguy: freenx is avalable for window, linux and maybe mac os x |
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| 07:20.05 | sep | itguy, freenx is a linux port of the nomachine NX server, you use freenx on your linux to provide connection to linux's Xserver. and you use nomachins free nx client to get the kde to your windows. (yes) |
| 07:20.24 | RadSurfer | hey! why are there _12_ cd iso's ???? |
| 07:20.24 | RadSurfer | http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:20.46 | sep | RadSurfer, becouse debian includes more software then you can even use. you only need the first cd to install |
| 07:20.53 | kevix | RadSurfer: becase we have 16,000 + applications... |
| 07:20.56 | cafuego | RadSurfer: Coz Debian comes with *LOTS* of software. |
| 07:21.22 | cafuego | RadSurfer: Of course, for a base install, CD1 is fine. Or you get the 40Mb business card cd and install over the network. |
| 07:21.23 | RadSurfer | Is there a list of what appears in each ISO ? |
| 07:21.35 | yaowdung | who can tell how i can use my logitech quickcam under debian linux? |
| 07:21.39 | kevix | RadSurfer: you should get the first 2 or 3 cds. |
| 07:21.48 | RadSurfer | That sounds about right. |
| 07:21.49 | Andur | I wouldn't install a debian desktop that way RadSurfer, just use a debian base distro like kanotix |
| 07:21.58 | cafuego | Andur: Eww |
| 07:22.13 | yaowdung | please!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:22.27 | RadSurfer | I'm using Fedora now. I can access legacy ISA devices just fine. Will I be able to in Debian ? |
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| 07:22.37 | cafuego | RadSurfer: yep |
| 07:22.41 | kevix | RadSurfer: the first 3 will provide the base install and gnome, kde or x windows (and more) |
| 07:22.45 | jm_ | RadSurfer: yes there is |
| 07:22.51 | entuall | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.51 | cafuego | RadSurfer: That' s function of the kernel, not the distro. |
| 07:22.56 | RadSurfer | Sporster 56k ISA modem? |
| 07:23.02 | itguy | kevix: sep : thank you guys for this info , i'll def come back tomowrow and chat with you guys, it's bed time now and i have to wake up early 2morow..have a gr8 night |
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| 07:23.30 | RadSurfer | So 3.1 is the latest.... I'm on the right version... http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:23.39 | RadSurfer | 1.3 I think it said. |
| 07:23.42 | cafuego | RadSurfer: latest stable version, yes. |
| 07:24.06 | RadSurfer | One more quick ques: where might I find screens shots |
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| 07:24.22 | cafuego | google://debian+screenshot ;-) |
| 07:25.18 | RadSurfer | Although it looked kinda wicked, I wasn't impressed with mandriva. and couldn't get ubuntu to install for some reason. |
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| 07:25.25 | RadSurfer | So I'm off to Debian |
| 07:25.40 | StanTheMan | can i put just a regular bash command line as the "executable" in a crontab? or must I, or should I, always use a script file? |
| 07:26.23 | [machine] | stan: by normal command line, you mean a command with parameters, if so, yes |
| 07:26.38 | StanTheMan | [machine]: yes, thank you |
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| 07:27.10 | kevix | StanTheMan: the man page wont bite! check it out. |
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| 07:27.49 | StanTheMan | kevix: already did, along with 5 or 6 web pages on crontab....slow learner I guess |
| 07:27.51 | [machine] | kevix: neither should #debian folk ;) |
| 07:28.30 | kevix | [machine]: we try not to... but sometime I get hungry! |
| 07:28.32 | StanTheMan | I'm still getting my "Linux sea legs"-- reassurance is a good thing ;) |
| 07:28.45 | StanTheMan | no? |
| 07:29.32 | kevix | StanTheMan: check out: lists.debian.org (debian-user list). its good to read more a few months |
| 07:29.57 | StanTheMan | teacher to Stan_The_Man: "stan, you do this, then this, and this goes here, before that." stan_the_man to teacher: "So, here's what I came up with. Is this correct?" |
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| 07:30.22 | StanTheMan | reassurance ;) |
| 07:30.28 | wenchien | eriktorbjorn: ouch! install xkb-data DID help! thanks! |
| 07:30.30 | StanTheMan | can you forgive me? |
| 07:30.32 | StanTheMan | ;) |
| 07:30.42 | StanTheMan | !dpkg reassurance |
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| 07:31.00 | StanTheMan | I guess reassurance is not allowed in #debian? |
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| 07:31.04 | StanTheMan | :( |
| 07:31.25 | Andur | ok, now when I startx I get the error Could not find default font "fixed" |
| 07:31.37 | Andur | I did install xfonts-base |
| 07:31.52 | sep | StanTheMan, that is whay you never try things out on production equipment, but have separate testing gear |
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| 07:31.58 | xomhau | hi * |
| 07:32.19 | xomhau | how to know version package before install? |
| 07:32.41 | StanTheMan | sep: this is personal (home office) equipment, which serves as "production" and "test" :P |
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| 07:32.56 | StanTheMan | i don't have the funds for both, at home :( |
| 07:32.57 | liable | xomhau: apt-cache show foo |
| 07:33.09 | xomhau | liable, thank |
| 07:33.16 | kevix | xomhau: apt-cache policy foo |
| 07:33.31 | StanTheMan | sep: and I absolutely agree. That's where my "home" network comes in |
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| 07:34.32 | wenchien | courmisch: problem solved.. :) but i still got an empty gnome desktop... |
| 07:34.44 | Andur | so, any idea about why my xserver doesn't find any installed fonts? |
| 07:34.44 | xomhau | kevix, thank, both commands work fine |
| 07:35.00 | StanTheMan | jm_: recall i mentioned a "path" issue when running that lftpget command? |
| 07:35.11 | jm_ | StanTheMan: yes |
| 07:35.17 | kevix | wenchien: what do you mean an 'empty' gnome desktop? |
| 07:36.02 | wenchien | kevix: nothing on my desktop, no icons, no wall paper.... |
| 07:36.08 | StanTheMan | jm_: if I cron that as user "stan", will the lftpget command default to my home dir? like it does when I'm logged into a bash shell? |
| 07:37.03 | kevix | wenchien: did you launch 'gnome-theme-manager' |
| 07:37.49 | StanTheMan | jm_: would it be wise to go ahead and create a script file, and use it in the crontab, so I can explicity set the local dir in the script file, before running lftpget? |
| 07:37.53 | wenchien | kevix: i can't run any program... |
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| 07:40.35 | jm_ | StanTheMan: yeah I think it will be run from your $HOME |
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| 07:43.19 | Andur | nah startx doesn't find any fonts |
| 07:43.24 | Andur | :-( |
| 07:43.39 | Andur | ideas please? |
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| 07:45.00 | kevix | wenchien: can you start an xterm? |
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| 07:46.06 | kevix | Andur: examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find where it has 'E:' (errors) |
| 07:46.14 | wenchien | kevix: "DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm" at tty1, I got this: "X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)" |
| 07:47.06 | kevix | wenchien: are you at a 'console' or have your run 'startx' ? also, are you ROOT? |
| 07:47.18 | streuner_ | !maint qc-usb-source |
| 07:47.24 | dpkg | qc-usb-source: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org> |
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| 07:48.10 | wenchien | kerneld: i'm not root, and i login with gdm, got an empty gnome desktop, and then <ctrl><alt><f1> |
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| 07:49.19 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - are there any virtualisation apps available in debian sarge that dont require a gui and that run on amd64 hardware (without patching the kernel)? We aren't adverse to paying for virtualisation software |
| 07:49.28 | wenchien | kevix: nothing on my desktop, but i still have my gnome-panel |
| 07:49.58 | Andur | kevix the error is "could not find default font fixed" |
| 07:50.27 | wenchien | kevix: "ps ax | grep nautilus" returns nothing.... |
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| 07:50.38 | kevix | Andur: did you upgrade to X.org? |
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| 07:51.09 | kevix | wenchien: did you install gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment or gnome? |
| 07:52.03 | valdyn | Super_Cat_Frog: something like qemu? |
| 07:52.05 | wenchien | kevix: i installed gnome |
| 07:52.09 | valdyn | Super_Cat_Frog: or UML? |
| 07:52.22 | StanTheMan | web link to a good "introduction to shell scripting"? |
| 07:52.26 | wenchien | kevix: it works before i upgrade to xorg 1:7.0.10 |
| 07:52.34 | Andur | yes, I'm using xorg 6.9 |
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| 07:52.51 | Andur | I lost x11 when upgrading to 7.0 and now I reverted to 6.9 |
| 07:53.33 | valdyn | Super_Cat_Frog: i believe UML is best if you want to run one or several virtual linux machines |
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| 07:53.44 | Super_Cat_Frog | valdyn - ok, i'l look into that, thanks |
| 07:53.52 | valdyn | !uml |
| 07:53.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 07:54.00 | Sonny | Hello, Does apt-wtch just download the upgrades? or it also install them |
| 07:54.29 | kevix | wenchien: are you fonts in /usr/lib/X11/fonts or /usr/share/fonts/X11 ? |
| 07:55.06 | kevix | Andur: are you fonts in /usr/lib/X11/fonts or /usr/share/fonts/X11 ? |
| 07:55.15 | Andur | how do I know? |
| 07:55.17 | Andur | wait... |
| 07:55.25 | valdyn | wenchien: so why dont you just start nautilus? |
| 07:56.14 | valdyn | Andur: hmm, your /etc/X11/xorg.conf needs font patch modification between xorg6.9 and xorg7 |
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| 07:56.39 | valdyn | Andur: ( though there might be legacy support in the new packages too , i dont know ) |
| 07:56.40 | wenchien | valdyn: "DISPLAY=:0.0 nautilus" : The program 'nautilus' received an X Window System error. |
| 07:56.46 | wenchien | kevix: let me check... |
| 07:56.54 | kevix | valdyn: they changed more dirs. |
| 07:56.55 | Andur | my fonts are in /usr/share/fonts |
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| 07:57.05 | Andur | not in /usr/lib |
| 07:57.12 | valdyn | kevix: yea but i dont need to change more configuration than that |
| 07:57.20 | Super_Cat_Frog | to whoever maintins the 'dpkg' bot - http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt is a broken link |
| 07:57.31 | kevix | Adrian: does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf match? |
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| 07:57.51 | valdyn | kevix: if at all, xorg7 seems to provide the changes or symlinks supporting legacy config |
| 07:57.52 | kevix | valdyn: that should be it |
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| 07:58.08 | Andur | I'm editing xorg.conf to make sure right now |
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| 07:58.47 | valdyn | wenchien: are you certain that the upgrade is done completely and you dont have old packages still around? |
| 07:59.05 | wenchien | kevix: /usr/lib/X11/fonts is a symbolic link, points to ../../share/fonts/X11 |
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| 08:00.07 | ldc_ | hi |
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| 08:00.29 | yos87 | hi |
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| 08:00.50 | Super_Cat_Frog | im off. thanks valdyn |
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| 08:01.50 | Andur | that doesn't look like a symlink to me |
| 08:02.24 | wenchien | valdyn: humm.... how can i tell if the upgrade is done ? |
| 08:02.36 | valdyn | wenchien: see what apt-get dist-upgrade would do |
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| 08:02.48 | Andur | fonts is a normal dir, not a symlink |
| 08:03.12 | Andur | ok, so I rename the dir, and create a symbolic link to /usr/share/fonts? |
| 08:03.27 | Sonny | how can i see if a pkg is the replace of another? |
| 08:03.37 | valdyn | Sonny: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 08:03.38 | wenchien | valdyn: it does nothing. |
| 08:04.04 | valdyn | wenchien: it does look like your upgrade is complete then |
| 08:04.12 | kevix | Sonny: look for 'Replaces:' or 'Provides:' in the output. |
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| 08:04.52 | tarzeau2 | lilo: can i talk in #freenode please? |
| 08:05.03 | tarzeau2 | lilo: someone is dosing me, and he's on freenode. |
| 08:05.12 | tarzeau2 | please can someone ban/kick neoxan, he calls me racist and is dosing my normal account in #linux.ch |
| 08:05.16 | mortal__ | does someone else have dri broken on the latest sid? |
| 08:05.19 | kevix | tarzeau2: are you a clone? |
| 08:05.25 | tarzeau2 | kevix: i'm tarzeau from another host |
| 08:05.25 | simonrvn | fucker |
| 08:05.35 | tarzeau2 | and the shit about #freenode is i can't talk |
| 08:05.44 | und0 | mortal__, how latest? the new xorg? =) |
| 08:05.51 | mortal__ | yes |
| 08:05.59 | valdyn | !bts |
| 08:06.00 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 08:06.07 | mortal__ | thx |
| 08:06.17 | kevix | tarzeau2: !dpkg beer tarzeau2 |
| 08:06.18 | valdyn | !xorg7 |
| 08:06.25 | Andur | after making it a symlink it STILL doesnt startx |
| 08:06.31 | Andur | :-((((( |
| 08:07.07 | yos87 | What does the error: (mount: /dev/cdrom is not a block device) mean? |
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| 08:07.23 | yos87 | it happen when apt-setup |
| 08:07.29 | und0 | mortal__, well, i haven't yet checked DRI, i'm blocked with an xauth problem =) |
| 08:07.57 | wenchien | kevix: DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm ==> Major opcode of failed request: 151 (XFIXES) |
| 08:08.03 | Halitherses | how can i tets that /dev/lp0 is working properly? |
| 08:08.21 | valdyn | dpkg, xorg7 is the modular X that made it into sid. Breaks nvidia-glx. Check the bts for other known issues. ( /msg dpkg bts ) |
| 08:08.21 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 08:08.29 | Halitherses | !/dev/lp |
| 08:08.35 | wenchien | kevix: Minor opcode of failed request: 23 (XFixesSetCursorName) |
| 08:08.38 | Halitherses | !/dev/lp0 |
| 08:08.40 | yos87 | valdun: hi |
| 08:08.50 | newshade | hello |
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| 08:09.07 | simonrvn | wenchien: gravity already knows about it |
| 08:09.21 | tarzeau | 10:07 -!- Irssi: Channel not fully synchronized yet, try again after a while |
| 08:09.26 | tarzeau | crap, how long does this take? |
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| 08:10.24 | Andur | AT LAST, AT LAST |
| 08:10.29 | Andur | I booted into X11 |
| 08:10.35 | Andur | :-))))) |
| 08:10.55 | Andur | I was so asleep that I did the symlink the wrong way |
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| 08:11.46 | Andur | thank you very much everyone |
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| 08:12.07 | Andur | no time to sleep, but I think I'll have a shower before going to work |
| 08:12.11 | Andur | cya! |
| 08:12.20 | wenchien | simonrvn: which package? |
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| 08:12.45 | simonrvn | for me it occurs when kde starts up |
| 08:13.05 | simonrvn | don't know yet if it's my .xsession, or kde itself. but i suspect kde |
| 08:13.46 | reiska | hi |
| 08:13.58 | newshade | hi |
| 08:14.05 | unstable | !greet nias_ |
| 08:14.05 | yos87 | Hello, I have this error, /dev/cdrom is not a block device ! |
| 08:14.05 | dpkg | Nihao, nias_ |
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| 08:15.24 | newshade | bye |
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| 08:17.46 | bizkit | yos87: /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd are just symlinks to the matching device, e.g. /dev/hdc |
| 08:18.08 | bizkit | yos87: just check if target of the link is the right device |
| 08:19.15 | yos87 | bizkit: it was working before, after it give me error hdc status = 0x00, after alittle I hade this errot |
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| 08:19.42 | yos87 | bizkit: i had the last error only because I try to cange the path of cdrom when apt-setup |
| 08:19.54 | yos87 | change |
| 08:20.00 | newshade | bye |
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| 08:20.51 | yos87 | in my fstab there is /dev/hdc /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user.noauto 0 0 |
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| 08:21.15 | chrisq | anyone using gnarwl? |
| 08:21.17 | yos87 | bizkit: how to solve this trouble? |
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| 08:21.35 | bizkit | yos87: so you can't even mount a disc using mount /media/cdrom? |
| 08:21.41 | yos87 | yes it is |
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| 08:22.13 | StanTheMan | jm_: thx for all your help man. I've got the scripts all setup, the cron jobs created, and it all seems to be working just as it should. yay! :) |
| 08:22.14 | yos87 | after i finist installing debian it was working |
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| 08:22.21 | Vote-For-Pedro | wheee |
| 08:22.27 | Vote-For-Pedro | I love Debian. |
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| 08:22.56 | futlib | hi, I want to install gaim 2.0.0beta3 package from here: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/net/gaim how do I add this to my sources.list? I'm using testing |
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| 08:23.06 | yos87 | bizkit: it's laptop, so I cannot unplug the cdrom |
| 08:23.13 | jm_ | StanTheMan: did you get the new script that handles crossed-up entries? |
| 08:23.16 | bizkit | yos87: then i don't know whats up, perhaps your drive is buggy and has entered an unusable state, try to reboot and try it again |
| 08:23.40 | yos87 | bizkit: I reboot 1000 time |
| 08:24.05 | yos87 | and I reconfigure dpkg |
| 08:24.06 | StanTheMan | jm_: hmmm... i don't think so |
| 08:24.14 | StanTheMan | jm_: define crossed up entries |
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| 08:25.31 | yos87 | bizkit: it work now! |
| 08:25.44 | StanTheMan | how many aussies in here? |
| 08:26.08 | unstable | StanTheMan: /who #debian|grep .au |
| 08:26.08 | futlib | noone? |
| 08:26.20 | unstable | StanTheMan: Is there a particular language you want help in? |
| 08:26.28 | yos87 | bizkit: thank you for help |
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| 08:26.51 | StanTheMan | unstable it won't take the .au |
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| 08:27.05 | unstable | StanTheMan: What won't take the .au? |
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| 08:27.21 | jm_ | StanTheMan: pid A starts, writes a few entries, then pid B starts writes some shit, and then A resumes - it coloured them wrong (I msged you the URL earlier) |
| 08:27.29 | unstable | StanTheMan: Don't use lftpget, use wget. |
| 08:27.43 | StanTheMan | unstable "/who #debian|grep .au" returns Extra parameters ".au" ignored |
| 08:28.01 | unstable | o, depends on your client..I probably shouldn't have given you that command. |
| 08:28.07 | unstable | StanTheMan: What irc client are you using? |
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| 08:28.16 | StanTheMan | jm_: my bad...i think i was out with the guys...lost that tab some how in chatzilla |
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| 08:28.38 | unstable | chatzilla, no idea |
| 08:28.39 | StanTheMan | unstable chatzilla |
| 08:28.41 | unstable | heh |
| 08:28.49 | tarzeau | can't i do this with just sed? while read a; do echo "<tr><td>$a</td></tr>" | sed "s, ;,</td><td>,g"; done? |
| 08:28.50 | unstable | StanTheMan: Ask on irc.mozilla.org in #chatzilla |
| 08:28.51 | jm_ | StanTheMan: there, you have it again |
| 08:29.05 | Spanishguy30 | good morning to everybody! |
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| 08:29.37 | jm_ | tarzeau: there's nothing matching " ;" in input string |
| 08:29.48 | StanTheMan | jm_: got it. however, the "old" script seems to be working fine |
| 08:30.02 | tarzeau | jm_: there is, in $a :) |
| 08:30.03 | jm_ | StanTheMan: ok, test the new one, compare the output, you'll notice the difference |
| 08:30.08 | jm_ | tarzeau: for example? |
| 08:30.21 | StanTheMan | unstable: btw, i don't have an http server running on the box I'm lftpget'ing from |
| 08:30.24 | tarzeau | jm_: <a href=http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Paul.Hampson@anu.edu.au>Paul.Hampson@anu.edu.au</a> ;1 ;6 ;13 ;13.05 ;20 ;- ;4.5 |
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| 08:31.24 | Spanishguy30 | i would like to made a couple of question: |
| 08:31.36 | tarzeau | Spanishguy30: make |
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| 08:31.43 | StanTheMan | unstable: I was asking if there are any aussies in here because I was going to tell [him] to leave my FTP server alone ;) |
| 08:31.55 | Spanishguy30 | 1) how can i update my kernel and install the headers (i have to go to a internet club) |
| 08:31.58 | jm_ | tarzeau: yeah in that case it works fine |
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| 08:32.14 | tarzeau | jm_: but i'd like to get rid of cat.. can i? |
| 08:32.35 | StanTheMan | unstable: some jack@ss is spamming my ftp server: offender at 58.120.226.23 |
| 08:32.48 | jm_ | tarzeau: ahh I see your point, sure |
| 08:32.52 | StanTheMan | unstable: whois says that an aussie IP |
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| 08:33.32 | StanTheMan | unstable: last syslog entry at 3:08 CST US I assume it was someone in here doing it |
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| 08:33.47 | StanTheMan | idiot.... |
| 08:34.08 | StanTheMan | unstable: not you. just idiot, in general, describing whoever is doing it |
| 08:34.15 | tarzeau | jm_: but how? |
| 08:34.36 | jm_ | tarzeau: sed -e "s,....," filename |
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| 08:38.23 | Xteven | does someone else also have problems with RAID1 under 2.6.16 in a vmware VM ? |
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| 08:39.19 | StanTheMan | jm_: what about this s/</\</g; s/>/\>/g; ?? remember we had to put that in to keep test enclosed in "<>" in the output file? |
| 08:39.23 | staffelt | hello all |
| 08:39.28 | StanTheMan | text |
| 08:39.31 | jm_ | StanTheMan: yes, I forgot that ;) |
| 08:40.01 | StanTheMan | jm_: so should i leave that line directly below the while statement line? in the new version i mean? |
| 08:40.02 | unstable | StanTheMan: iptables -I INPUT -s 58.120.226.23 -j |
| 08:40.10 | unstable | !greet staffelt |
| 08:40.10 | dpkg | Bonjour, staffelt |
| 08:40.31 | staffelt | i have a common user un Debian 3.1 that doesn't go on the network(ping, www, etc.) what do i have to cheange in the sys configuration? |
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| 08:40.46 | StanTheMan | unstable: not sure if I have iptables function on that box |
| 08:40.50 | jm_ | StanTheMan: yes, after chomp |
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| 08:41.08 | chron | is there any good tutorial on how apt-get works? |
| 08:41.33 | StanTheMan | unstable: also, would it make a difference if that box is behind a NAT router? |
| 08:41.46 | StanTheMan | unstable: it is behind a NAT router |
| 08:41.55 | unstable | !tell chron about apt-get |
| 08:41.55 | staffelt | chron: apt-howto is a package |
| 08:42.05 | unstable | !tell chron about apt-howto |
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| 08:48.18 | R078902 | hello |
| 08:48.28 | R078902 | what do i need to remove a directory? |
| 08:48.38 | R078902 | like rm is to remove a file? |
| 08:48.52 | deepspace | -r switch |
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| 08:49.00 | deepspace | rm -r dirname |
| 08:49.04 | ahewitt | hi guys, |
| 08:49.10 | deepspace | Hello |
| 08:49.11 | jm_ | you need coreutils package ;) |
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| 08:50.01 | ahewitt | Can someone please tell me, or point me to some info, on how I can redirect the output of a tar file creation through gzip, without using the -z option in tar...the reason is that the -z option doesn't allow you to specify a compression level |
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| 08:50.12 | StanTheMan | jm_: OUTF vs. OF ? remember I'm on perl 5.8.4 |
| 08:50.17 | infowolfe | ahewitt, just tar then gzip |
| 08:50.26 | jm_ | ahewitt: write it to stdout then and pipe to gzip |
| 08:50.31 | staffelt | thanx all: solved! sorry for making loosing time, bye all :-) |
| 08:50.44 | jm_ | StanTheMan: doesn't matter |
| 08:50.47 | infowolfe | is mirror.kernel.org out of date? |
| 08:50.50 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: did you make any progress with 1TB vs 3TB on that raid box yet? |
| 08:50.57 | ahewitt | infowolfe: I can't because I need to background the process as I have shitloads of them to do at once |
| 08:51.33 | ahewitt | StanTheMan: yes and no...apparently its an Ultra160 limitation, and I needed to create a 2TB and a 1TB array and then it would see them both as the correct size...*shrugs* |
| 08:51.40 | infowolfe | ahewitt, lemme ask a buddy that's a tar freak |
| 08:51.55 | StanTheMan | hmmm |
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| 08:52.13 | deepspace | Wm S Burroughs was a tar freak |
| 08:52.15 | jm_ | StanTheMan: if you're making modifications, then use OF in new one |
| 08:52.18 | deepspace | (rimshot) |
| 08:52.23 | krimnet | helo |
| 08:52.23 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
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| 08:52.30 | unstable | ahewitt: tar -c directory|gzip -9 &> file.tar.gz? |
| 08:52.42 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: that doesn't seem right. 320 and 160 have the same SCSI command set...no new commands in the 320 spec |
| 08:53.05 | ahewitt | StanTheMan: thats what I thought, but I was in a hurray, so no time to argue :P |
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| 08:53.19 | ahewitt | unstable: lemme try that... |
| 08:53.19 | infowolfe | ahewitt, why aren't you using bzip2? |
| 08:53.38 | kevix | ahewitt: you can tar -f mydir.tar mydir && gzip mydir.tar |
| 08:53.40 | StanTheMan | jm_: im just pasting stuff in from the old one that we had to add to get the colors right. Remember we had to set the color initially, so that first </font> just killed the color, but non Courier? |
| 08:53.49 | ahewitt | infowolfe: no reason really, except that I read that bzip is slower than gzip |
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| 08:53.56 | unstable | infowolfe: Because bzip2 uses considerably more memory and cpu then gzip. |
| 08:53.56 | jm_ | StanTheMan: no need to do that with the new one |
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| 08:54.07 | unstable | infowolfe: The same reason debian doesn't use bzip2 |
| 08:54.08 | watson540 | whee |
| 08:54.09 | infowolfe | ahewitt, anything -9 is going to be slow... |
| 08:54.15 | infowolfe | unstable, still makes smaller files ;-) |
| 08:54.16 | infowolfe | lol |
| 08:54.25 | infowolfe | unstable, any clue why apache2's broken in unstable? |
| 08:54.26 | infowolfe | lol |
| 08:54.34 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: if a 2TB and a 1TB is ok for you, I'd say ignore the "limitation" and go on with life. If you "need" a 3TB, i'd investigate further |
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| 08:54.53 | StanTheMan | jm_: k |
| 08:55.09 | unstable | infowolfe: Because of the migration to the new branch? |
| 08:55.12 | unstable | !tell infowolfe about bts |
| 08:55.18 | ahewitt | StanTheMan: no I dont *need* it...it would have been nicer...but its not that important |
| 08:55.40 | infowolfe | unstable, alright, so how do i force a downgrade to testing? |
| 08:55.40 | infowolfe | lol |
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| 08:56.43 | unstable | infowolfe: You don't. |
| 08:56.49 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: i'd be glad to sleuth it out further for you, if you'd provide the host adapter info and raid box info again |
| 08:56.50 | unstable | !tell infowolfe about unstable |
| 08:56.57 | infowolfe | ok, so i guess i just wait a month to get apache working again? |
| 08:57.08 | AoA | how to setup or remove startup programs which starts on KDE start ? |
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| 08:57.24 | unstable | infowolfe: Backup and reformat, or wait for apache to get fixed. Or compile from sources. |
| 08:57.42 | unstable | !tell AoA about #kde |
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| 08:57.48 | unstable | infowolfe: basically |
| 08:57.55 | infowolfe | wonderful :-) |
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| 08:58.15 | AoA | unstable : Lear Norwegian ??? |
| 08:58.16 | unstable | infowolfe: That's why you don't run unstable as a server. |
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| 08:59.02 | wakeman | is there a way to receive a snmp trap from snmpd when an interface goes down? |
| 08:59.23 | ahewitt | StanTheMan: nah thats cool...cheers anyway though...I might come back later when there is less urgancy to get it working |
| 08:59.28 | infowolfe | unstable, noted... |
| 08:59.37 | ahewitt | unstable: thats exactly what I needed, cheers for that |
| 08:59.48 | unstable | ahewitt: no problem |
| 08:59.50 | unstable | !donations |
| 08:59.50 | dpkg | well, donations is http://www.debian.org/donations If you like debian are able to donate, please do so. |
| 09:00.08 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: well, I just figured you may like to resolve it before you start filling those partitions up with data |
| 09:00.27 | sep | wakeman, http://www.net-snmp.org/tutorial/tutorial-5/commands/snmptrap.html |
| 09:00.34 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: oh! something I forgot to metion ealier is that it may very well be a fileystem limitation. what filesystem are you using? |
| 09:00.45 | sep | wakeman, ofcouse if you try to route the trasp out the down interface you'll fail miserably :) |
| 09:01.02 | wakeman | sep: :) |
| 09:01.10 | StanTheMan | unstable: hya, can iptables filtering work if the box is behind a NAT? |
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| 09:01.21 | wakeman | sep: but how to automatically emit a trap when an interface goes down? i don't understand this point |
| 09:01.31 | sep | wakeman, read the page |
| 09:01.37 | wakeman | sep: do i have to poll ifconfig?? |
| 09:01.44 | wakeman | sep: i hoped snmpd did it for me |
| 09:02.36 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: I'd almost bet $$ at this point you have a filesystem limitation. 2TB sounds like a filesystem cutoff. |
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| 09:03.20 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 09:03.24 | sep | wakeman, unfortunatly not all drivers do this the same way so i dont think snmpd woudl do it for you |
| 09:03.34 | sn00p | why do the netinst images on debian.org when I burn them give me a buffer under run error? |
| 09:03.57 | yoo | Somebody know if there are a syntax with afio that excludes some file and directory from backup ? |
| 09:04.03 | kapowaz | hi there; I'm trying to install a package (mediawiki) and it erroneously depends on php4 and php4-mysql when it (the actual tool) works fine with PHP 5 (which is installed) |
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| 09:04.24 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.30 | kapowaz | is it possible to override this dependency? or if not, how do I go about getting the package dependencies fixed? |
| 09:04.35 | yoo | but with afio ? |
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| 09:05.07 | unstable | kapowaz: What version of debian are you using? |
| 09:05.07 | wakeman | sep: thanks |
| 09:05.08 | sn00p | Why do I get buffer under burn errors when I burn netinst images from the debian.org website? |
| 09:05.22 | wakeman | sep: just misunderstood some architectural choices :) |
| 09:05.22 | liable | !equivs |
| 09:05.22 | dpkg | methinks equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 09:06.19 | Maulkin | Looks like that sid GTK/Evolution bug thing has bitten me. Anyone remember the magic invocation to make it work again? |
| 09:06.30 | sep | wakeman, it might be just easier to make the switch all the hosts conenct to send the traps |
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| 09:06.34 | sn00p | How come I get buffer under run errors when I burn the netinst image? |
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| 09:07.31 | ahewitt | StanTheMan: Im using ext3...but the problem I was having was that if I create a 3TB RAID group, then I can only see 1TB in fdisk...so I'm not even getting to the point of it being a filesystem limitation |
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| 09:07.37 | liable | sn00p: with cdrecord? |
| 09:07.37 | wakeman | sep: sorry i don't understand you.. the switch? |
| 09:07.40 | xomhau | rehi |
| 09:07.45 | sn00p | liable: no nero |
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| 09:08.00 | liable | sn00p: windows? |
| 09:08.04 | sn00p | liable: yea |
| 09:08.25 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: hmm...fdisk limitation? |
| 09:08.28 | liable | sn00p: this is not a problem of the iso image, ask in a windows support channel |
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| 09:08.35 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: lemme scan kernel list |
| 09:09.34 | xomhau | i want to buy a TV-tuner ( USB ) , but i don't know which supported? tell me pls |
| 09:09.48 | xomhau | which TV-tuner |
| 09:09.50 | kapowaz | unstable: Ubuntu |
| 09:09.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:09.54 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:09.56 | tarzeau | xomhau: hauppauge |
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| 09:10.11 | n3kr0 | !samba |
| 09:10.11 | dpkg | from memory, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 09:10.23 | xomhau | tarzeau, thank u |
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| 09:11.48 | cahoot | xomhau: just curious - is the usb throughput enough? |
| 09:12.10 | cat | hey how can you view smime.p10 |
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| 09:12.34 | unstable | !tell kapowaz about ubuntu |
| 09:12.47 | Maulkin | xomhau: I would suggest an internal one to be honest |
| 09:12.52 | sep | ahewitt, what raid controller, what kernel verion ? have you turned on raid carving ? |
| 09:12.53 | Maulkin | xomhau: What's your budget? |
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| 09:14.12 | blujay | I feel like this is a dumb question, but I've searched the man pages and Google and come up blank. How can I build a package with apt-src with --enable-debug on the configure? |
| 09:14.16 | kevix | xomhau: for info about tv cards: google mythtv |
| 09:14.28 | n3kr0 | how can i get a list of shared sources to know what can i mount on samba ? |
| 09:14.33 | tarzeau | cat: what says file smime.p10 ? |
| 09:14.40 | tarzeau | cat: uudeview maybe ? |
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| 09:14.58 | blujay | n3kr0: try $ apropos smb list |
| 09:15.00 | Maulkin | xomhau: I would suggest a Hauppage PVR150/250/350 depending on budget :) |
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| 09:15.49 | n3kr0 | blujay: thnx |
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| 09:16.00 | blujay | n3kr0: you might also try LinNeighborhood (might have a u in neighborhood, dont' remember) |
| 09:16.09 | kdean06 | Could someone explain to me why apt had to be ported to Suse, as opposed to built into it? I mean more specifically, why does Gimp run on all distros, but apt has to be changed into merely a front end for RPM? |
| 09:16.13 | kapowaz | unstable: ah, so I can't ask ubuntu-related questions here, even if I'm using debian package sources? |
| 09:16.18 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: found it. It's an FDISK limitation. FDISK doesn't do 64bit integers internally, and thus limits the partition size to 2TB |
| 09:16.30 | kapowaz | it's ubuntu 5.10/unstable by the way |
| 09:16.37 | n3kr0 | blujay: thnx ^^ |
| 09:16.39 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: you need a newer version of FDSICK....im lookikng |
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| 09:16.56 | blujay | kdean06: um...apt was made for deb packages...making it work with RPM packages...required...work? |
| 09:17.15 | blujay | kdean06: I don't quite understand your question |
| 09:17.18 | blujay | I feel like this is a dumb question, but I've searched the man pages and Google and come up blank. How can I build a package with apt-src with --enable-debug on the configure? |
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| 09:17.59 | kdean06 | blujay, Yeah. Is it POSSIBLE to do a complete replacement? Say, remove the RPM foundation of Suse (or Fedora or whatever) and use apt alone? |
| 09:18.08 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: what debian version and kernel version u using on that box with the RAID? |
| 09:18.19 | kdean06 | or is it so tied in that it would require a new distro. |
| 09:18.37 | ahewitt | StanTheMan: its sarge...lemme check the kernel |
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| 09:18.45 | kevix | kdean06: in the beginning there was slackware who use .tar.gz. then Redhat made RPM and others like suse used it. Then Debian made .deb and now others want to use it. |
| 09:18.50 | ahewitt | StanTheMan: 2.4.32 |
| 09:19.06 | ahewitt | StanTheMan: I gotta go catch my bus...I will be back on in an hour |
| 09:19.09 | blujay | kdean06: um...well I think there is apt for RPM in some RPM-based distros...but what the point is, I don't know. If you're going to do that, why not just use Debian? By the way, as far as I understand, RPM is analogous to DPKG, not apt. apt came after DPKG, and DPKG (.deb) is the package format. |
| 09:19.34 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: bingo. 2.4 kernel has the 2TB limit |
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| 09:21.00 | kdean06 | blujay, Its hard to explain why I don't use debian. Suse feels more... smooth. |
| 09:21.47 | blujay | kdean06: smooth how? It seems it's lacking in something, which is why you desire apt. If you desire apt, why not go whole hog and use Debian? Debian's policies and quality controls result in very "smooth" operation. |
| 09:23.57 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: http://www.coraid.com/support/linux/contrib/chernow/gpt.html |
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| 09:24.39 | kdean06 | blujay, Suse is better out of the box. Hardware detection, appearance, feel. Debian DETECTS my mouse, but is shaky sometimes. Debian sometimes had a delay with sound, Suse does not. Ideally, if suse were a .deb based distro, I'd use it. But since it's not, and installing new things usually fails, I find both distros lacking. |
| 09:25.18 | blujay | kdean06: well, if you can't use testing, and can't wait for etch, you should seriously consider (K)Ubuntu. Your hardware problems will probably disappear, and you'll get all of the Debian goodness. |
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| 09:26.47 | kdean06 | blujay, Ubuntu sucks ass. I used it, in the beginning. If i have to "settle" it's on Mepis 3.4. And my hardware works, just typically not on non-commercially backed distros. |
| 09:26.59 | johnnyss | hi |
| 09:27.07 | blujay | kdean06: ...sucks? Er...what version did you run, and how did it suck? |
| 09:27.20 | StanTheMan | jm_: sw33t. However, the font is wrong. So, I just killed that line, and copy/pasted the line from the old version. Should know it 5 minutes or less if Courier holds. |
| 09:27.37 | unstable | ubuntu has silly names, "Breezy Badger" sounds like a douche kit brand name that is sold in women stores. |
| 09:27.39 | kdean06 | blujay, Hoary, then Breezy, and Daper(sp?). |
| 09:27.46 | StanTheMan | jm_: I love the connection tracking. Uber Sw33T |
| 09:27.50 | johnnyss | I have a program that is set to: pi vnc4-common 4.0-8 , I would like it to be ii instead of pi how do I do that? |
| 09:27.50 | unstable | Not to mention ubuntu keeps your root password in plain text system readable files. |
| 09:27.51 | StanTheMan | :) |
| 09:27.54 | flosch | hi |
| 09:27.55 | blujay | kdean06: Dapper isn't final yet, but Breezy is excellent. What was your problem with it? |
| 09:28.23 | sep | unstable, well that's naturaly since it's target audience is a bit different |
| 09:28.23 | kdean06 | blujay, It sucks because they broke Debian compatability. I don't like being tied to a single repo, and I ran into issues with it over and over. |
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| 09:28.25 | unstable | blujay: Stop soapboxing, join #ubuntu and talk about how great it is there. |
| 09:28.28 | unstable | !soapboxing |
| 09:28.32 | unstable | !soapbox |
| 09:28.32 | dpkg | somebody said soapbox was a raised, improvised platform on which one stands to make an impromptu speech, often about a political subject. Alternately, the word may be used to describe the box that soap comes in. The term is also used metaphorically to describe a person engaging in often flamboyant impromptu or nonofficial public speaking, as the phrase "He is on his soapbox." |
| 09:28.33 | blujay | unstable: Ubuntu also has version numbers if you can't tolerate the names. Though I don't see how "Breezy" is that much worse than "Woody" or "Potato" or "Etch" |
| 09:28.35 | h2k | is it safe to upgrade sid's Xorg? |
| 09:28.49 | unstable | h2k: Works fine here. |
| 09:28.51 | kdean06 | I agree, I think the Toy Story naming thing is dumb. |
| 09:28.55 | unstable | !tell h2k about bts |
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| 09:29.07 | kdean06 | But I'd take a Sid over a Breezy badger anyday. :-) |
| 09:29.07 | unstable | h2k: Watchout if you use the nvidia driver |
| 09:29.10 | blujay | kdean06: So...SuSE doesn't tie you to a single repo? Debian doesn't? MEPIS doesn't? ...? |
| 09:29.24 | h2k | unstable, i do |
| 09:29.30 | blujay | kdean06: maybe you want Linux From Scratch :p |
| 09:29.56 | yos87 | bizkit: are you here? |
| 09:30.03 | unstable | h2k: You might want to wait on the upgrade, do you rely on guis? |
| 09:30.07 | kdean06 | blujay, Debian is a massive repo. Mepis is binary comatable with Debian. version 6.0 is binary comatible with Ubuntu, and I'm jumping ship because of it. |
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| 09:30.17 | h2k | it's trying to remove xserver-common, is that normal? |
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| 09:30.28 | unstable | h2k: yes |
| 09:30.32 | kdean06 | blujay, And as far as suse, part of their problem is that they don't have a central repo. |
| 09:30.39 | blujay | kdean06: how can it be compatible with Debian *and* Ubuntu at the same time, if Debian and Ubuntu aren't compatible with each other? |
| 09:30.52 | h2k | unstable, guis? i'm using nvidida's drivers btw |
| 09:31.19 | kdean06 | blujay, Specific version. 3.4 was based on the Debian core, but Warren Woodford used the Ubuntu core on the next version (6.0). |
| 09:31.30 | blujay | kdean06: the reason I stay away from MEPIS or Xandros, myself, is that I think they're too small. They could disappear in a few months or years. And what kind of team/community is behind them, compared to Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 09:31.46 | guesswhat | does anyone know how can i run the debian installer of sarge after its already installed? |
| 09:31.57 | blujay | guesswhat: what exactly do you need it for? |
| 09:32.00 | azeem | guesswhat: you can rerun base-config I think |
| 09:32.14 | Viper12 | methinks blujay is in for it, considering the channel he's in. ;) |
| 09:32.37 | blujay | Viper12: I run Debian myself, and don't plan to switch, so relax :) |
| 09:32.39 | kdean06 | blujay, Honestly... Ubuntu is full of people who talk, but don't know what they're talking about. Debian has a rather rude community. Mepis is small, and getting smaller, since the move to Ubuntu. |
| 09:33.14 | Viper12 | blujay that was meant to be a humorous remark. |
| 09:33.14 | azeem | discussing Debian derivatives is sort of off-topic here |
| 09:33.23 | azeem | kdean06, blujay: please feel free to discuss this privately |
| 09:33.27 | blujay | kdean06: Try not to generalize too much. There are many helpful people in the Debian community, and many knowledgeable people in Ubuntu, though maybe the ratio of newbie to knowitall is a bit higher. |
| 09:33.54 | kdean06 | azeem, Sorry, the convo began as a discussion of apt itself, and the reasons it couldn't be used on other distros. |
| 09:33.56 | guesswhat | i can rerun base-config |
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| 09:34.06 | guesswhat | but i want to run that tool that configures the network |
| 09:34.43 | sep | guesswhat, why cant you just edit /etc/network/interfaces manualy ? (man interfaces ) |
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| 09:34.48 | kdean06 | blujay, oh, I'm not saying EVERYONE on Debian is rude. Nor is everone in other communities polite. Just that it... feels... off. |
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| 09:35.06 | azeem | guesswhat: apt-get install etherconf |
| 09:35.21 | yos87 | When I try to install something, he ask me for put the cdrom, and it's inside, somebody can helpme |
| 09:35.26 | yos87 | azeem: hi |
| 09:35.37 | h2k | what's the difference between ia64 and amd64? |
| 09:35.37 | unstable | !azeem |
| 09:35.40 | avtobiff | guesswhat. great name! |
| 09:35.49 | sep | kdean06, if they are regular in #debian and not rude it's just becouse they havent met their newbie quota yet. give em a few years and they'll be as rude as the rest :) |
| 09:35.52 | blujay | kdean06: Well, if you say so. But Debian's community is quite helpful. I don't think there's ever been a question I couldn't find an answer to. |
| 09:35.53 | darkraven | hello, im want to install flash 4 linux, but i need qt-dev, and apt-cache desnt have that package, does it have an other name? |
| 09:36.12 | blujay | darkraven: apt-cache search qt dev |
| 09:36.16 | avtobiff | h2k, ia64 is Intel Architecture 64 bit. AMD64 is AMD's 64 bit architecture. |
| 09:36.30 | h2k | ah, right |
| 09:36.35 | avtobiff | h2k, ia64 is used on Itanium CPU:s. AM |
| 09:36.36 | kdean06 | sep, RTFM is alright, people should research first, but there is a good and bad way to do it. :-) |
| 09:36.36 | azeem | h2k: ia64 is the Itanium architecture, which is only used in big servers |
| 09:36.57 | avtobiff | h2k, google and wikipedia says it all to you if you ask them ;-) |
| 09:37.07 | h2k | but how's 32bit > 64bit upgrade going to be? |
| 09:37.07 | darkraven | blujay, qt4/3-dev-tools? |
| 09:37.16 | guesswhat | omg i will have to reinstall debian sarge again, i didnt choose any package set to install in base-config but it started to install a lot of packages itself |
| 09:37.18 | unstable | !ia64 |
| 09:37.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion, it is NOT ia64 |
| 09:37.25 | azeem | h2k: you'll need to reinstall I tink |
| 09:37.25 | azeem | thin |
| 09:37.25 | azeem | k |
| 09:37.25 | azeem | blah |
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| 09:37.37 | h2k | reinstall? no upgrade can be done?? |
| 09:37.38 | blujay | darkraven: I think you need libqt3-mt-dev |
| 09:37.51 | azeem | guesswhat: it installs all standard packages |
| 09:37.58 | sep | h2k, IA64 is more related to ppc architecture then the regular PC's AMD64 (EM64T) used in modern athlons and pentiums |
| 09:37.58 | norskfjord | how do I change my hostname? |
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| 09:38.01 | azeem | h2k: you mean from i386 to amd64? |
| 09:38.05 | h2k | yes |
| 09:38.06 | azeem | h2k: how would that work? |
| 09:38.09 | h2k | yes |
| 09:38.17 | sep | norskfjord, edit /etc/hostname, /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts and reboot |
| 09:38.19 | unstable | norskfjord: /etc/hostname? |
| 09:38.19 | kdean06 | Noboru, /etc/hostname |
| 09:38.22 | blujay | norskfjord: apropos hostname |
| 09:38.34 | sep | norskfjord, witch fjord btw ? |
| 09:38.44 | kdean06 | I like sep 's answer better |
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| 09:39.41 | blujay | or man hostname |
| 09:39.48 | sep | norskfjord, you might want to rgrep thru /etc for your old hostname too, just incase you have used it in any config files sometime in history and have forgotten all about it :) |
| 09:40.02 | h2k | can I just change repo and everything will be ok, or i'll have to do some voodoo? |
| 09:40.13 | kdean06 | blujay, Another thing I dislike about Debian over otehrs is the slow release cycle. GNOME 2.,14 is in testing, but when I tried installing it today, the packages were broken and couldn't meet dependancies. |
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| 09:40.52 | blujay | kdean06: 2.14 just came out a short time ago. You can always compile it yourself if you want, but this way you know that when it all gets into testing, it will WORK. |
| 09:40.56 | sep | h2k, lots of voodoo, i'd take backups first. |
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| 09:41.02 | unstable | kdean06: Your statement doesn't make sense. |
| 09:41.07 | blujay | kdean06: if that's not fast enough, there's unstable |
| 09:41.21 | unstable | kdean06: testing doesn't have _release cycles_ |
| 09:41.28 | h2k | damn, i was hoping to get away with just some small upgrade |
| 09:41.37 | kdean06 | unstable, blujay My apologies. 2.12 is in testing. |
| 09:41.38 | sep | kdean06, personal opinions, i love the slow release cycle. it allows me to allmost finish upgrading all machines befoer the next realase... almost :) |
| 09:42.00 | kdean06 | sep, NetAdmin, are you? |
| 09:42.11 | sep | kdean06, among other things. |
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| 09:42.20 | darkraven | bluejay, yep you are right :) big thx, hope i can install it without problems |
| 09:42.22 | sep | kdean06, here in rural norawy you can't specialice too much |
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| 09:42.33 | blujay | darkraven: good luck :) |
| 09:42.35 | kdean06 | sep, Understood. :-) |
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| 09:42.49 | ldc_ | how to make a device autmaticly mounting whe boot? |
| 09:42.56 | h2k | any guides on i386 > amd64 upgrade? |
| 09:42.59 | blujay | kdean06: so you mean that SuSE has 2.14 ready for download and install right now? |
| 09:43.05 | sep | ldc_, add it to /etc/fstab |
| 09:43.16 | unstable | !tell yos87 about fstab |
| 09:43.23 | kdean06 | blujay, The latest ISO from Suse has 2.12, if not 2.14 |
| 09:43.35 | Luftzig | Happy passover, everyone. I can't mount an smbfs with non-root users, although I use the "users" option. When it's mounted by root, other users can't see it, although it's got the fmask=0777 option. what am I doin wrong? |
| 09:43.45 | blujay | kdean06: so...what's faster? Other than that live CD that GNOME itself puts out... |
| 09:43.55 | azeem | kdean06: testing has 2.12 as well, what's your point? |
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| 09:44.06 | Luftzig | All options are in fstab, that is |
| 09:44.18 | kdean06 | azeem, That testing failed to meet dependancies today, and it wouldn't install. :-P |
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| 09:44.46 | sep | Luftzig, add a dmask too, i also force it's uid/gid too for good measure, |
| 09:44.46 | azeem | kdean06: so just install GNOME by hand, inspecting the meta-package's Depends |
| 09:44.52 | blujay | kdean06: that's the nature of the beast, sometimes. Just have to be patient. It's worth the wait, usually. |
| 09:44.58 | unstable | Luftzig: "/dev/partition /mount/point partition_type defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" |
| 09:45.12 | jmd_ | How can I undo whatever it is in the etch version of gnome which turns off keyboard repeating? |
| 09:45.27 | unstable | jmd_: Go back in time? |
| 09:45.31 | unstable | !tell jmd_ about #gnome |
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| 09:45.50 | blujay | jmd_: have you checked the...keyboard settings? :/ |
| 09:45.52 | kdean06 | azeem, That works, but how does that suit my lazy side? :-P |
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| 09:46.13 | Luftzig | thanks unstable, sep |
| 09:46.15 | azeem | kdean06: it doesn't, but that's why it's called `testing', not `stable' |
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| 09:46.42 | Dunedan | Does anybody know why the clipboard doesn't work after the update to Xorg 7.0? |
| 09:46.44 | blujay | kdean06: I guess I should stop, but...how does setting up apt on an RPM-based distro suit your lazy side? =) |
| 09:46.53 | kdean06 | azeem, I know. And that was my chief complaint. That things take a while on debian to go from Testing to stable. |
| 09:46.56 | unstable | It's amazing how many people expect _testing_ to be stable. I don't understand where they get this idea into their heads. |
| 09:47.09 | unstable | kdean06: Things don't go from testing to stable. |
| 09:47.10 | azeem | kdean06: oh well |
| 09:47.11 | jmd_ | blujay: Which setting should I be looking at? |
| 09:47.14 | kdean06 | blujay, It doesn't. I was just wonder WHY it hadn't been done before. |
| 09:47.17 | darkraven | bluejay, i compiled it with make, and after make install he says there is nothing to do for install, do you what that mean? |
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| 09:47.20 | unstable | kdean06: Testing becomes stable. |
| 09:47.28 | blujay | jmd_: uh...well I don't use GNOME anymore, but...System->Keyboard...? repeat rate? |
| 09:47.36 | norskfjord | how do I create a mail only account |
| 09:47.39 | blujay | darkraven: you compiled what? |
| 09:47.43 | norskfjord | without ftp or shell access |
| 09:47.52 | sep | norskfjord, i do it with virtual users in postfix |
| 09:47.56 | blujay | kdean06: oh, well, afaik, there *are* people that use apt with rpm |
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| 09:48.02 | unstable | kdean06: You must be confused on how releases work in debian. |
| 09:48.04 | darkraven | blujay, flash for linux; f4l |
| 09:48.12 | blujay | darkraven: did you ./configure? |
| 09:48.24 | aserrano | Dunedan: my experience is quite worse, gnome doesn't start, all applications hang with BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) and XFIXES |
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| 09:48.35 | darkraven | blujay, there is no configure |
| 09:48.45 | unstable | kdean06: stable will never have any version upgrades in software, only security fixes. |
| 09:48.48 | blujay | darkraven: did you read the README? INSTALL file? |
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| 09:49.00 | Shadur | norskfjord: set their shell to /bin/false, configure your FTP server not to take calls for users with /bin/false as a shell, or set up virtual users in your mail server. |
| 09:49.02 | unstable | kdean06: It wouldn't be _stable_ if they changed the software all around. |
| 09:49.04 | Silent_al | hello,how can a change a partition's volume name? right now it is name as "32 GB Volume" .. |
| 09:49.06 | kdean06 | unstable, I understand how they work, jus that I disagree. I understand that once the testing repo is frozen, it becomes stable. I think that a semi-fluid "stable" is better. I know it undermines the concept of "stable". |
| 09:49.09 | Silent_al | a=i |
| 09:49.10 | unstable | kdean06: Testing will be frozen one day, and become stable. |
| 09:49.16 | Dunedan | aserrano: yes, I also have the problem with gnome apps, but I'm a luckily KDE user and can wait a while until gnome apps work again :-) |
| 09:49.24 | unstable | kdean06: So you want Ubuntu, go use that. |
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| 09:49.29 | Shadur | Maybe we should rename testing to "mostly stable" ? :) |
| 09:49.30 | blujay | kdean06: a semi-fluid stable is what testing is |
| 09:49.35 | azeem | kdean06: it's pretty pointless to discuss this in here anyway |
| 09:49.48 | unstable | kdean06: And you don't seem to understand, because your statement made it seem like packages from testing go to stable slowly. |
| 09:49.51 | jmd_ | Shadur: More like rename it to "barely usable" |
| 09:50.03 | Shadur | jmd_: That's unstable. At least, right now. |
| 09:50.18 | darkraven | blujay, there is also no readme or install file, i asked another linux-guru, and he meant make and make install should do that, on the hp there is also no forum or installation help http://f4l.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:50.30 | sep | kdean06, using testing and installing the apt-listbugs is a semi stable solution, then you get a warning of bugs before you upgrade the package |
| 09:50.31 | jmd_ | Can't be much worse than testing right now. |
| 09:50.48 | sep | kdean06, just becouse you dont use the tools avaiable dont mean debian dont provide them |
| 09:50.50 | blujay | jmd_: most of your problems would go away if you use KDE :) |
| 09:51.18 | jmd_ | blujay: Yeah maybe. Or go back to Sarge. |
| 09:51.27 | blujay | darkraven: if the developers haven't put out any docs, then I sure don't know how to do it. sorry. |
| 09:51.43 | aserrano | Dunedan, it seems not to be just a Gnome problem, it happens as well with other applications with use XFIXES (e.g. rxvt). In particular with a setcursor primitive |
| 09:51.44 | blujay | I like this one, though: FYI, I've been using KMail 1.9.1 from/with KDE 3.5.2 and haven't had this problem yet, whereas before I got it a lot. I'm guessing that it's fixed. |
| 09:51.48 | blujay | oops |
| 09:51.52 | sep | jmd_, that the admin blinkly installes packages that break is not debian's fault. complain to your computer sysadmin and tell him to check BTS before upgrading with a blindfold on |
| 09:51.52 | blujay | http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=87799&ssid=9714 |
| 09:52.00 | darkraven | blujay, mhm :( thats very strange |
| 09:52.15 | blujay | darkraven: have you checked the forums & lists? |
| 09:52.45 | darkraven | blujay, forums & lists? |
| 09:52.56 | darkraven | blujay, you mean looking for thrads? |
| 09:52.56 | Dunedan | aserrano: From today I'm away for nearly 2 weeks. I guess in this time all probleme will gone :-) |
| 09:52.57 | blujay | darkraven: yeah...the forums and mailing lists for f4l...for help |
| 09:53.08 | jmd_ | sep: I don't mind things breaking when I install from testing. What I find hard to accept is that nobody can explain why they break or how to fix them. |
| 09:53.18 | darkraven | blujay, no not yet ;) |
| 09:53.28 | blujay | jmd_: file a bug, use reportbug :) |
| 09:53.28 | yos87 | sep: but I don't know what to put in fstab file to make it, for example , mount command is mount /dev/hdc /mnt, how to put it in fstab file? |
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| 09:53.34 | aserrano | Dunedan, hehe... that's the good part of unstable... things just get fixed ;) .... |
| 09:54.17 | sep | jmd_, is't that what testing is all about. finding out how it works together and if something break you write a BTS to make debian better. debian is after all OUR distribution. it's not THEY that make it for US. it's WE that make debian. |
| 09:54.22 | jmd_ | sep: BTS is useless as a tool for evaluating package releases. |
| 09:55.01 | sep | jmd_, i find apt-listbugs a quite usable tool |
| 09:55.07 | blujay | jmd_: only if people (like you and me) don't report the bugs they find |
| 09:55.27 | yos87 | what is the noauto option in option tab in fstab file? |
| 09:55.37 | blujay | yos87: don't mount on boot |
| 09:55.41 | jm_ | yos87: man mount explains it |
| 09:55.45 | blujay | yos87: man fstab |
| 09:56.19 | Dunedan | aserrano: Btw: I can't also use the binary nvidia-driver. It compiles, but when I try to use it it says: "Module not found ..." |
| 09:56.20 | jmd_ | The thing is, with systems like gnome, is that I've no idea even which package to file a bug against. |
| 09:56.37 | sep | Dunedan, did you load it with modprobe nvidia ? |
| 09:57.10 | blujay | jmd_: that's the hard part. You could just post a message to the dev list, or just make your best guess for the package and file it. |
| 09:57.25 | Dunedan | sep: no, I want X to load the module |
| 09:57.46 | Dunedan | with modprobe it work |
| 09:57.47 | Dunedan | s |
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| 09:58.03 | jm_ | Dunedan: it will be autoloaded if you alias it properly |
| 09:58.19 | ifvoid | Dunedan: or just put it in /etc/modules, so it will be loaded at boot |
| 09:58.20 | yos87 | blujay: man fstab is only general explanation for fstab, it's not expaining how to edit and add sth |
| 09:58.51 | blujay | yos87: well, at the bottom it says: SEE ALSO: ...mount... so like the other guys said, run $ man mount |
| 09:58.53 | Dunedan | Yes, I know, but why can't X load the module? It also worked until the update to Xorg 7.0 |
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| 09:59.02 | kevix | jmd_: all bug fixes go into unstable, if they are found to not break stuff, they go to testing after about 10 days. if they break things in testing, that package is kept there until a new fix is sent to unstable. and the whole process starts again. |
| 09:59.08 | jm_ | because it's got nothing to do with X |
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| 09:59.52 | ifvoid | jm_: if you don't want things to break, you should use stable |
| 09:59.55 | aserrano | Dunedan: I compiled succesfully 8756, but it installs the X11 module (not the _kernel_ module) in the old Xorg 6.9 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules |
| 10:00.02 | jm_ | ifvoid: I use stable :P |
| 10:00.11 | kevix | jmd_: if you want to see debian in picture form, check out: http://debian.home.pipeline.com |
| 10:00.13 | ifvoid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:00.21 | jm_ | ifvoid: not me, jmd_ |
| 10:00.35 | ifvoid | oh, sorry ;) |
| 10:00.38 | liable | can you not pipe stuff from sys? i am piping a cat from sys to grep, but still get all values.. |
| 10:00.51 | aserrano | Dunedan: to make it work, I had to declare _both_ new and old module dirs in Files section of xorg.conf: ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules", ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" |
| 10:00.51 | ifvoid | annoying tab completion |
| 10:01.09 | jm_ | liable: sure you can |
| 10:01.10 | ifvoid | liable: you're not making sense |
| 10:01.17 | ifvoid | liable: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 10:01.19 | kevix | liable: sure. what command are you doing? |
| 10:01.20 | liable | ifvoid: i rarely do.. :) |
| 10:01.32 | ifvoid | hehe |
| 10:01.59 | blujay | kevix: nice sice |
| 10:02.02 | blujay | ...er...site |
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| 10:02.27 | kevix | blujay: and I'm not even finshed yet x-) |
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| 10:02.45 | Dunedan | aserrano: I think before I try this, I will wait the two weeks :-) |
| 10:02.50 | liable | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors | grep ondemand or grep ondemand /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 10:02.55 | wooya510 | Excuseme. I have a problem. I installed dhcp3-server and allocated from 172.16.200.50 to 172.16.200.200. But In dhcp clients, they recived ip address as 192.168.123.x. dhcp.conf is no problem. what is the problem?? |
| 10:03.00 | blujay | kevix: http://alphapapa.net/debian/ |
| 10:03.02 | liable | yay, something just shat itself |
| 10:03.26 | aserrano | Dunedan, hehehe... try it, it works, but it doesn't fix the FIXES extension problem |
| 10:03.32 | ifvoid | liable: grep works on a line by line basis |
| 10:03.43 | liable | oh dear |
| 10:03.48 | ifvoid | liable: and the scaling_available_governors file has everything on 1 line |
| 10:04.15 | ifvoid | liable: but you can simple check grep's exist status to see if it was found or not |
| 10:04.16 | liable | ifvoid: yes, it does. /me self flagulates :) |
| 10:04.45 | aserrano | Dunedan, talking seriously, I think that it won't get fixed in two weeks cause it is related to the directory in which NVidia installer installs the modules |
| 10:04.48 | azeem | heya ifvoid |
| 10:05.15 | Dunedan | aserrano: But there could also be a new version of the installer ;-) |
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| 10:05.31 | ifvoid | azeem: hey |
| 10:05.56 | aserrano | Dunedan, mmm... don't think so, NVidia has just released 8756 this week, but... who knows ;) |
| 10:06.37 | Dunedan | there were problems, so they released 8756. Now are problems again, so they could release 8xxx |
| 10:06.48 | yos87 | liable: how are you |
| 10:07.02 | kevix | blujay: cool pix. |
| 10:07.04 | leikh | i'm searching for a voip-application (sip) with builtin voicemail. it will be used for voicemail only, - no outgoing calls. I've found lots of programs for windows, but nothing for linux :-( please prove me wrong... |
| 10:07.08 | jm_ | liable: we definitely need you to do 'echo performance > /sys/devices/liable/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors' now ;) |
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| 10:07.13 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 10:07.13 | liable | yos87: losing brain cells by the minute. you? |
| 10:07.31 | jm_ | or scaling_governor rather |
| 10:07.47 | liable | jm_: yes, is there an echo "add more brain cells" ?? |
| 10:07.51 | kevix | leikh: maybe you want hylafax or asterix ? |
| 10:07.56 | quik_ | I installed netatalk on my debian machine at work.. I want to try to connect to an afp:// share from one of the macintosh machines back at the studio... anyone got any tips on how I can mount it through command line? |
| 10:08.06 | aserrano | Dunedan, that's right, but their release cycle is quite long. Usually, the release kernel module patches at nvidia forums. But this time, it is an installer problem, so look at the forums... |
| 10:08.07 | unstable | How can I tell which packages on my system are from a specific repository? |
| 10:08.10 | yos87 | liable: fine thanx, tierd from debian troublshooting! |
| 10:08.14 | jm_ | liable: I'd need that too |
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| 10:08.35 | ifvoid | unstable: I don't think you can, generally |
| 10:08.42 | kevix | unstable: apt-cache policy PKG |
| 10:08.43 | sep | wooya510, sounds like you have a second dhcp server somewhere on your lan. check client's outpu what ip address gave them the lease |
| 10:09.02 | Dunedan | aserrano: I can also live with the vesa or the nv driver for a while :-) |
| 10:09.11 | leikh | kevix: aren't they hardware dependent? |
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| 10:09.34 | kevix | leikh: yes. not like skype |
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| 10:10.05 | aserrano | Dunedan, up to you :), I'll try to find a solution for my problems in #debian-x... |
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| 10:10.36 | leikh | kevix: well, i'm still searching, then... |
| 10:10.37 | aserrano | Dunedan, is KDE working alright? |
| 10:10.40 | Dunedan | aserrano: I think I should follow you in this channel. It can't be wrong ;-) |
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| 10:18.02 | azeem | !prize marcus |
| 10:18.46 | zoldar | hello, which text editor can handle ~2GB files ? |
| 10:19.22 | sep | zoldar, idd be more impressed with the user that can sanly work in a 2GB text file :) |
| 10:19.38 | weissi | zoldar, vim, emacs if you have enough ram |
| 10:19.51 | zoldar | and if i don't have enough of ram ? |
| 10:19.53 | weissi | zoldar, what documents do you have ?? |
| 10:20.20 | weissi | zoldar, then it will be damn slow, because linux will swap all the time... |
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| 10:20.36 | sep | zoldar, split, edit the parts, join ? |
| 10:20.42 | zoldar | well it's some sort of maildir dump from sql database - it's in xml, every mail file is mime encoded |
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| 10:20.50 | jm_ | check if you can find an editor that can use mmap() |
| 10:21.04 | Monil | hi |
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| 10:21.15 | Monil | can anyone tell me how to reinstall lilo on a debian server without corrupting data on the machine? |
| 10:21.25 | st0ner | how can i switch from sid -> etch ? |
| 10:21.26 | Monil | atm the machine boots but after verifying pool data it comes up with "LI" and hangs |
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| 10:22.33 | zoldar | sep: what tool should i use to split it ? |
| 10:22.35 | sep | st0ner, edit sources.list to say etch instead of sid, apt-get update. now you track etch and as packages filter from sid to etch you will become more and moer etchish |
| 10:22.43 | sep | zoldar, "split" |
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| 10:22.53 | ircdevil | i have to gnuplot :o( |
| 10:23.13 | ircdevil | is there a gui? |
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| 10:23.20 | weissi | zoldar&zep, but split will break the xml |
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| 10:23.26 | pc_tony | good mornign all |
| 10:23.28 | jm_ | ircdevil: why do you have to? |
| 10:23.30 | sep | weissi, true |
| 10:23.46 | ircdevil | jm_: i need to generate some plots for publishing. |
| 10:23.47 | raclure | hi folks ;) |
| 10:24.02 | raclure | i have a very stupid question |
| 10:24.12 | ircdevil | jm_: and i will not touch excel or OO for this (they make ugly plots) |
| 10:24.13 | st0ner | is anyone able to use the nvidia drivers after the update to xorg7(sid) ? |
| 10:24.17 | jm_ | ircdevil: why not use ygraph? or ploticus? |
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| 10:24.27 | weissi | zoldar, why do you want to edit maildirs?? why don't you leave them in the db? |
| 10:24.28 | ircdevil | jm_: tell me more ... |
| 10:24.40 | pc_tony | i have a problem, i tried to install cyrus-imapd last night,and it came with a whole shed load of dependencies, one of which failed... Now if i try to run the apt-get again, it failes a witha dpkg error with cyrus-common |
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| 10:25.00 | zoldar | weissi: it's a dump from somewhere else, and now i have to adapt it to real filesystem |
| 10:25.15 | pc_tony | dpkg: error processing cyrus-common (--remove): |
| 10:25.21 | rhalff_ | anyone can suggest a cool webinterface for syslogs ? |
| 10:25.23 | weissi | zoldar, and you want to do it with an editor??? automate it |
| 10:25.24 | pc_tony | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 10:25.25 | raclure | i need to start an X application via shell and background it 'i don't need to have it on my screen |
| 10:25.35 | raclure | how can i do ? |
| 10:25.35 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.46 | st0ner | sep: how do i "track etch" |
| 10:25.49 | sep | i guess that sums it up for unstable at the moment |
| 10:25.59 | sep | st0ner, by having etch in your sources.list |
| 10:26.00 | ircdevil | jm_: well, gnuplot is rather un-intuitive, which requires a lot of doc-reading. |
| 10:26.03 | zoldar | weissi: tried with cat line after line but it takes too long |
| 10:26.10 | jm_ | sep: several positive feedbacks about it on DP |
| 10:26.22 | zoldar | just want to separate these mime encoded parts |
| 10:26.23 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes, pretty much all tools do |
| 10:26.40 | st0ner | sep: i used testing instead of etch but that souldnt matter?! |
| 10:26.48 | weissi | zoldar, an editor will not be faster, I thinnk |
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| 10:27.05 | ircdevil | jm_: well, those that are intuitive should be awarded, like inkscape, unlike gimp. |
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| 10:27.17 | weissi | zoldar, cat&sed/awk or some self-written shit will definetely be faster... |
| 10:27.32 | zoldar | weissi i know, but the only thing i wanted to get with an editor is a list of filenames int he xml object at the end of that dump |
| 10:27.59 | weissi | zoldar, thats all?? then use tail |
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| 10:28.10 | zoldar | damn, forgot about it |
| 10:28.12 | weissi | zoldar, tail -<number of lines> or man tail |
| 10:28.18 | zoldar | thanks |
| 10:28.24 | sep | st0ner, only difference is when etch releases. with testing youll continuse tracking testing, with etch you'd be on new stable |
| 10:28.48 | ircdevil | jm_: how does gnuplot and ploticus compare? |
| 10:28.55 | weissi | zoldar, better: `tail -n <how many lines counted from the end>` |
| 10:28.56 | jm_ | ircdevil: I never used gnuplot |
| 10:29.01 | sep | st0ner, use apt-listbugs too to get warned of possible breakage in new packages, but since you come from unstable you ahve probably been using that allready |
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| 10:30.07 | st0ner | sep: okay, but apt-get dist-upgarde does nothing... |
| 10:30.16 | zoldar | weissi: one more question - i already tried to do some filtering with cat/grep/sed but it was running quite long but cpu use was quite low for that process at the same time.. is this a question of some priority ? |
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| 10:30.20 | st0ner | souldnt it change mass of packages right now |
| 10:30.58 | jm_ | and he was brave enough to use sid ... |
| 10:31.09 | ircdevil | jm_: so you use mainly ploticus? |
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| 10:31.29 | jm_ | ircdevil: I have used it a few times, but if your needs are simple, then ygraph will be far far easier |
| 10:31.35 | pc_tony | i have a problem, i tried to install cyrus-imapd last night,and it came with a whole shed load of dependencies, one of which failed... Now if i try to run the apt-get again, it failes a witha dpkg error with cyrus-common |
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| 10:31.42 | jm_ | pc_tony: check BTS |
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| 10:31.52 | pc_tony | cjm_ what is BTS ? |
| 10:31.57 | jm_ | pc_tony: /msg dpkg bts |
| 10:32.02 | pc_tony | ta |
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| 10:32.27 | sep | st0ner, ofcouse. all your packagse are much newer then what's in etch, after some weeks you might start to see some changes |
| 10:32.38 | sep | downgrading like that is a very slow process |
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| 10:33.07 | sep | st0ner, if you want to downgrade instantly. you can ... backup, reinstall, restore userdata |
| 10:33.14 | st0ner | omg |
| 10:33.25 | ircdevil | jm_: i recon i need something advanced to get these plots nice. and i have to do a lot of similar plots, so its prolly worthwhile reading some docs. but it would be nice to know if one should go for gnuplot or ploticus |
| 10:33.29 | ircdevil | ill read some faqs |
| 10:33.37 | sep | st0ner, or jsut purge and install the spesific package you have an issue with |
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| 10:33.53 | st0ner | that would be xorg ;) |
| 10:33.54 | madjpm | hi |
| 10:33.55 | sep | !downgrade |
| 10:33.55 | dpkg | i guess downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 10:33.57 | madjpm | is there a problem with the libtasn1-2 package for sid this morning ? can't install new packages anymore, it seems this package is broken |
| 10:34.03 | jm_ | ircdevil: I can't help you with that - I went ploticus way because I thought it's simpler, but I have a feeling it's not that much simpler, if it is simpler at all |
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| 10:34.54 | ircdevil | jm_: hrm, ok. |
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| 10:35.14 | st0ner | madjpm: you can update libtasn but then your kde would be gone |
| 10:35.16 | jm_ | ircdevil: I know there are a lot of ploticus examples available |
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| 10:36.03 | madjpm | st0ner: exact, my gnome, apache, gnupg etc ... |
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| 10:36.22 | madjpm | st0ner: got the bad idea of removing libtasn to reinstall my package :-( |
| 10:36.23 | raclure | i need to start an X application via shell and background it 'i don't need to have it on my screen how can i do ? |
| 10:36.36 | madjpm | st0ner: now all my packages are gone |
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| 10:37.01 | st0ner | madjpm: oh! |
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| 10:38.04 | st0ner | madjpm: you must try to install the old lllintasn again and then reinstall all the stuff you lost i guess! |
| 10:38.14 | st0ner | *libtasn |
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| 10:40.07 | quik__ | through command line, how can I mount afp or a smb share? |
| 10:40.16 | jm_ | man smbmount |
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| 10:41.25 | quik__ | any ideas for afp? I'd like to try avoiding smb.... |
| 10:41.34 | jm_ | not me, I don't know what afp is |
| 10:41.43 | quik__ | apple share... |
| 10:42.05 | jm_ | I have worked on a Mac only once, for a minute ;) |
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| 10:43.07 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 10:43.44 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with sid + xorg upgrade: no alt-gr keys on my keyboard |
| 10:44.25 | plugwash | how do i add the key for the secure testing repositry? |
| 10:44.39 | jm_ | are you saying upgrading via apt-get/aptitude resulted in your alt-gr keys disappearing from your keyboard? now that's good stuff ;) |
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| 10:45.10 | Mazingaro | jm_: yes :( very sad |
| 10:45.21 | jm_ | Mazingaro: they're physically gone? |
| 10:45.35 | Mazingaro | no, the key is still there :) |
| 10:45.40 | jm_ | right :) |
| 10:45.55 | jm_ | maybe check if you have selected the right keyboard type |
| 10:46.08 | Mazingaro | jm_: same type as ever: pc104 |
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| 10:46.42 | jm_ | Mazingaro: check what does xev say |
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| 10:47.11 | Mazingaro | jm_: xev??? |
| 10:47.28 | Mazingaro | KeyPress event, serial 29, synthetic NO, window 0x3200001, |
| 10:47.28 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.28 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.28 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.28 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.28 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:48.16 | jm_ | uhh don't paste here |
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| 10:48.32 | Mazingaro | sorry |
| 10:48.39 | Mazingaro | jm_: :( |
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| 10:50.00 | Mazingaro | jm_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2347 |
| 10:50.38 | jm_ | Mazingaro: you need to find out what it should be |
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| 10:51.48 | lesshaste | is there a 32 bit mplayer for 64 bit debian sid? |
| 10:51.52 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:52.13 | valdyn | lesshaste: no |
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| 10:53.01 | zleap | good morning |
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| 10:55.58 | calvino | Hei |
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| 10:56.03 | courmisch | Xorg keyboards issues solved while installing xkb-data for me |
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| 10:56.19 | calvino | I have a problem with cdrom when i install debian on SUN BLADE 100 |
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| 10:56.26 | calvino | anyone has already install debian on SUN ? |
| 10:56.27 | calvino | Thks . |
| 10:56.28 | relaxed | After upgrading to Xorg 7 on sid startx complains, ' (EE) Failed to load module "glx" '. Anyone know what I'm missing? |
| 10:56.36 | Silent_al | hello.. how can i change vfat pratitions volume name? right now it shows up as "32GB volume" on my gnome desktop |
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| 10:57.41 | zleap | anyone got any suggestions for good udev set up documentation |
| 10:57.47 | zleap | please |
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| 11:04.17 | zleap | do you neeed to reinstall the nvidia softrware when you upgrade x.org |
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| 11:05.24 | relaxed | zleap: yes |
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| 11:07.34 | valdyn | zleap: nvidia drivers up to 1.0.8756-2 dont work with xorg7 |
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| 11:08.40 | valdyn | zleap: s/nvidia drivers/debians nvidia packages/ |
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| 11:10.12 | zleap | ok |
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| 11:11.42 | weissi | how do I get/send NickServ-messages? |
| 11:12.01 | jm_ | you mean memos? |
| 11:12.06 | FauxFaux | /msg nickserv help |
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| 11:12.15 | weissi | jm_, yes sorry |
| 11:12.22 | jm_ | weissi: /msg memoserv help |
| 11:12.25 | itzzan | hello ppl :) |
| 11:13.02 | weissi | jm_, ahh cool! memoserv :-) |
| 11:13.03 | zleap | i have a both a usb camera and usb pendrive and am trying work out what device they are using for mounting |
| 11:13.30 | jm_ | zleap: cat /proc/partitions might help with regards to size |
| 11:13.57 | jm_ | otherwise you can use udev rules to name it as you wish (if you're using udev that is) |
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| 11:14.48 | zleap | is that for mounted devices |
| 11:15.02 | jm_ | nope |
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| 11:16.34 | lesshaste | valdyn, strange but thx |
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| 11:17.48 | pao | hi if I want to have a directory of images (say for Desktop |
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| 11:19.03 | pao | hi if I want to have a directory of images (say for Desktop Background) and I want it to be usuable by all users and I want to avoid to have it on the /home partition, where should I put it ? /var ? /usr/share ? |
| 11:19.03 | lesshaste | valdyn, strange as all you need to do is ./configure --target=athlon_xp --cc="gcc -m32" --as="as --32" --with-extralibdir=/usr/lib |
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| 11:19.51 | Mazingaro | jm_: any hints? |
| 11:19.52 | valdyn | lesshaste: uh? what about installing the 32 bit dependencies? |
| 11:20.06 | jm_ | Mazingaro: not really, I use right Alt key as alt, someone else will have to tell you what it should show in xev |
| 11:20.06 | pao | anyone ? |
| 11:20.30 | Mazingaro | jm_: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:20.30 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.30 | Mazingaro | erc: Broken packages |
| 11:20.30 | jonathan__ | pao, /usr/share/wallpapers |
| 11:20.47 | lesshaste | valdyn, well.. http://mhelleboid.free.fr/ is the answer apparently :) |
| 11:21.05 | Mazingaro | jm_: xkb-data was missing |
| 11:21.14 | jm_ | Mazingaro: well someone mentioned something about xkb on DP |
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| 11:22.09 | Mazingaro | jm_: ? |
| 11:22.18 | jm_ | Mazingaro: ! |
| 11:22.34 | pao | jonathan__: thanks |
| 11:22.42 | Mazingaro | jm_: how can I reconfigure keyboard with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 11:22.47 | jm_ | pao: why not use /usr/local instead? |
| 11:23.03 | jm_ | Mazingaro: I don't know about new X packages, but see if "/msg dpkg keymap" helps |
| 11:23.19 | jm_ | Mazingaro: it's probably just a matter of reconfiguring xserver-xorg |
| 11:23.25 | Mazingaro | jm_: ok |
| 11:23.28 | pao | I don't know I am not really familliar with the architecture of linux, BTW a little howto would be welcome |
| 11:23.46 | jm_ | LFS will explain you what goes where |
| 11:23.51 | pao | jonathan__: what own and mod should it have ? |
| 11:24.02 | pao | LFS ? |
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| 11:24.50 | ptlis | Linux From Scratch |
| 11:25.03 | jm_ | uhm FHS, sorry -- http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ |
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| 11:25.32 | jonathan__ | pao, default is root:root for the wallpapers. i do think that die is for kde..... not 100% sure |
| 11:25.36 | jm_ | I guess LFS would help too, but it covers too much |
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| 11:25.50 | pao | thanks |
| 11:27.13 | Mazingaro | jm_: fixed! |
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| 11:27.18 | jm_ | Mazingaro: good |
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| 11:28.49 | xerophyte | Does anybody know good linux cluster and load balancing books ??? |
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| 11:29.13 | petemc | xerophyte: oreilly |
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| 11:31.18 | zoldar | i'm trying to parse a 2gb file with a shell script. it does it's work but at this speed (ca. 1KB/s) it'll take almost a month :( any alternatives ? maybe somebody could take a look at this script? |
| 11:31.30 | jm_ | :) |
| 11:32.14 | xerophyte | petemc, you mean the server load balancing?? |
| 11:32.16 | weissi | zoldar, hi again, paste it to #flood or pastebin |
| 11:32.19 | mortal__ | zoldar: perl |
| 11:32.35 | petemc | xerophyte: they have a clustering book, lots of other books too |
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| 11:32.42 | zoldar | what's pastebin's url? |
| 11:32.52 | donius | looking for benchmarking a single user workstation. Googled for awhile, came up w/ tbench dbench, installed, but their man pages say it's really for clusters, etc. Any suggestions for something like the old 'winbench'? Test the workstation itself. |
| 11:32.59 | weissi | !pastebin |
| 11:32.59 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or check out http://securelabs.zapto.org/~pureone/src/pastebin.c if your stuck in console only |
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| 11:33.40 | britt | anybody out here know a good pogram for doing my own portscans? |
| 11:33.53 | britt | I have two servers and I wanna test each one for open ports |
| 11:34.02 | weissi | britt, nmap |
| 11:34.14 | britt | weissi: thank you |
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| 11:35.07 | zoldar | weissi: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2348 |
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| 11:35.26 | zoldar | it looks nasty, i know |
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| 11:35.37 | l1nux | hi |
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| 11:36.17 | l1nux | any idea howto set videodev order in "modprobe.d" ? |
| 11:36.55 | jm_ | zoldar: no wonder it's so slow |
| 11:37.12 | gilianima | why files which the size is greater than 1GB can't be displayed in the arborescence of my web server ? |
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| 11:37.27 | Shadowcat | man |
| 11:37.28 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
| 11:37.33 | zoldar | jm_: cpu usage is at 7-8% . Is this normal? shouldn't it be higher ? |
| 11:37.34 | Shadowcat | xorg 7.0 is breaking a lot of things |
| 11:37.51 | jm_ | zoldar: it's forking like crazy, use perl instead |
| 11:37.52 | britt | does anybody know how to get a 15GB file off of my server |
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| 11:38.09 | zoldar | ok... |
| 11:38.24 | relaxed | Shadowcat: yeah, it's saying it can't find modules like "glx" ... |
| 11:38.28 | relaxed | err |
| 11:38.31 | x|e | last night I did an apt-get upgrade and it upgraded Xorg to 7.0. now I cannot start X server. Error is nvidia driver not found. I tried to reinstall the nvidia driver and i get the same error.. any idea as to what is wrong? |
| 11:38.40 | weissi | zoldar, i'm just looking at it... |
| 11:38.48 | x|e | yea glx too |
| 11:38.50 | relaxed | x|e: same here. |
| 11:38.51 | Spanishguy30 | good morning: how can i get a new kernel & headers and compile it for new hardware? no internet |
| 11:38.55 | covux | here updating to xorg 7.0 wants to remove discover |
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| 11:39.12 | zoldar | weissi: ... and ? |
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| 11:39.18 | Llama | hi all |
| 11:39.22 | nkuttler | Spanishguy30: to compile you need the source obviously. use kernel-package |
| 11:39.25 | x|e | i think it has something to do with nvidia-glx maybe? |
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| 11:39.51 | relaxed | x|e: I've always used nvidia's installer but now it's not working. |
| 11:39.59 | x|e | yea i know |
| 11:40.02 | tarzeau | britt: rsync |
| 11:40.06 | x|e | me aswell |
| 11:40.17 | Llama | does anyone have Promise SATA300 TX2 Plus running on debian ? I'd like to bye this device but I don't know if it will work on linux... |
| 11:40.18 | Spanishguy30 | nkuttler: so i have to download a source, and what happens with the headers? |
| 11:40.18 | britt | tarzeau: i keep hearing about rsync |
| 11:40.25 | britt | i think i should finally check it out |
| 11:40.31 | britt | thank you |
| 11:40.34 | tarzeau | britt: yes it's easy |
| 11:40.48 | britt | see, i tried samba |
| 11:40.48 | jm_ | Llama: Linux SATA page will tell you if it's supported or not, but also read about software raid while there |
| 11:40.51 | tarzeau | britt: see the first two lines, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/rsync/rsync.txt |
| 11:41.04 | tarzeau | britt: smbfs is limited in size, cifs not so |
| 11:41.04 | britt | it didnt like it, apache wont list anything over 2GB |
| 11:41.43 | tarzeau | britt: yes apache i know: http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 11:41.47 | britt | see i do windows data backups on it, and rsync wont run? |
| 11:41.47 | relaxed | x|e: the nv driver works for me. |
| 11:41.47 | weissi | britt, the problem is, that you call so many external programs! |
| 11:41.58 | x|e | yea relaxed thats what i did |
| 11:42.01 | tarzeau | britt: rsync should be fine |
| 11:42.03 | donius | (bump) looking for benchmarking a single user workstation. Any suggestions for something like the old 'winbench'? |
| 11:42.18 | x|e | but i need the nvidia driver to work... |
| 11:42.20 | x|e | :/ |
| 11:42.30 | relaxed | x|e: I'm guessing the xlibs were moved or something along those lines. |
| 11:42.32 | britt | i'll look up rsync and figure out what it actually IS |
| 11:42.33 | tarzeau | donius: apt-cache search benchmark |
| 11:42.59 | britt | but im thinking i cant use it if i wantt a windows box to be the 'destination' for the file |
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| 11:43.09 | tarzeau | britt: why? |
| 11:43.25 | britt | im thinking i would need something on the client side |
| 11:43.41 | tarzeau | britt: is windows something special? can it not compile c code? can it not run simple programs? it can't do tcp/ip? |
| 11:43.49 | tarzeau | britt: obviously, yes |
| 11:43.55 | britt | okay :) |
| 11:43.58 | britt | that sounds great |
| 11:43.59 | zoldar | btw, besides perl, could python also fit well for that purpose ? |
| 11:44.00 | tarzeau | britt: i'm sure you can find rsync binaries for windows |
| 11:44.02 | britt | i'll check it out |
| 11:44.04 | weissi | britt, reimplement it in a real programming language (perl, python, C). Because calling so many external programs causes bad performance |
| 11:44.08 | donius | ty tarzeau. |
| 11:44.16 | tarzeau | zoldar: probably |
| 11:44.17 | britt | so rsync is kind of like ftp or something |
| 11:44.27 | tarzeau | britt: well uhm, no |
| 11:44.30 | britt | lol |
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| 11:44.37 | tarzeau | britt: but it'll solve your problem |
| 11:44.40 | britt | okay |
| 11:44.43 | nkuttler | Spanishguy30: you don't need them |
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| 11:44.59 | britt | well thank you tarzeau |
| 11:45.01 | britt | later guys |
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| 11:45.06 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 11:45.06 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 11:45.24 | Llama | jm_, I read that page. I found there few device with similar names but not exactly this model |
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| 11:46.27 | relaxed | Anyone know the correct way to install the nvidia driver using nvidia's install with xorg 7.0.0 in Sid? |
| 11:46.29 | Spanishguy30 | nkuttler: when i tried to isntall the drivers allways requested the system the headers |
| 11:46.37 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:46.37 | dpkg | [qotd137] <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
| 11:46.42 | tarzeau | relaxed: tried #nvidia yet? |
| 11:46.47 | jm_ | Llama: pdate 2005/04/15: Support for the NCQ-capable SATAII TX2/TX4 boards was recently added. NCQ support is waiting on libata core. |
| 11:46.59 | relaxed | tarzeau: no but I will. |
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| 11:47.03 | valdyn | relaxed: why would you use nvidias installer that does not support debian ( nor probably xorg7 ) ? |
| 11:47.12 | tarzeau | valdyn: it supports debian |
| 11:47.18 | tarzeau | valdyn: but maybe not xorg7 |
| 11:47.21 | lewwy | dammit how do i make fonts bigger in KDE for debian. Its hurting my eyes |
| 11:47.22 | relaxed | valdyn: It's always worked before. |
| 11:47.31 | tarzeau | lewwy: #debian-kde |
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| 11:47.46 | nkuttler | Spanishguy30: you said you want to compile your own kernel? |
| 11:47.48 | valdyn | tarzeau: it diverts debian files instead of just overwriting them? |
| 11:47.53 | Llama | jm_, could you explaim me what mean "NCQ support is waiting on libata core" - does it mean that NCQ does not works on such devices for now ? |
| 11:47.55 | lewwy | is there anything for debian you guys DONT have a channel for? |
| 11:48.06 | tarzeau | valdyn: it works for me |
| 11:48.15 | tarzeau | lewwy: check the faq in /topic |
| 11:48.16 | Ronin | lewwy: winning lottery numbers, we cant get that one going yet |
| 11:48.29 | lewwy | lol Ronin |
| 11:48.30 | lewwy | good commment |
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| 11:48.40 | Spanishguy30 | nkuttler: My hardware is very new, and i probably new a new kernel |
| 11:48.44 | lewwy | man, debian pwns over ubuntu |
| 11:48.49 | nkuttler | Spanishguy30: if you compile yourself the headers are in the kernel tree, point your 'installer' there |
| 11:48.58 | jm_ | Llama: http://linux-ata.org/software-status.html, chapter Queueing support |
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| 11:49.21 | nkuttler | Spanishguy30: you only need a kernel-header package if you use a debian kernel (or removed the source) |
| 11:49.32 | donius | have a g'day all. |
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| 11:49.50 | valdyn | relaxed: using nvidias instaler you will probably have to use it again after each upgrade on the debian packages side, additionally you will need a symlink from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so to wherever nvidia's installer put that file |
| 11:49.59 | Spanishguy30 | nkuttler: So what should i download in the cyber this evening? |
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| 11:50.17 | valdyn | relaxed: ops, make that nvidia_drv.o |
| 11:50.18 | nkuttler | Spanishguy30: kernel source. do you have the make-kpkg command? |
| 11:50.23 | Halitherses | what does this error mean? # ls > /dev/lp0 |
| 11:50.24 | Halitherses | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.26 | Halitherses | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2005/07/msg02530.html |
| 11:50.29 | Llama | jm_, seems that I could not use NCQ in linux at all ? :( |
| 11:50.37 | Halitherses | i will try that again |
| 11:50.45 | Spanishguy30 | nkuttler: No idea what you mean |
| 11:50.46 | jm_ | Llama: not yet, but don't expect much from it in general, it's still very new |
| 11:50.51 | Halitherses | what does this error mean? # ls > /dev/lp0 |
| 11:50.56 | nkuttler | Spanishguy30: ... type which make-kpkg |
| 11:51.01 | Halitherses | bash: /dev/lp0: No such device or address |
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| 11:51.23 | valdyn | Halitherses: put output of ls command to /dev/lp0, but /dev/lp0 has no hardware 'behind' it |
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| 11:51.29 | Halitherses | that should work shouldn't it? |
| 11:51.32 | jm_ | Halitherses: /msg dpkg nosuchdevice |
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| 11:52.03 | relaxed | valdyn: Ah, is the location /usr/lib/xorg new to xorg 7.0.0 in debian ? |
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| 11:52.17 | Halitherses | but i have a printer connected to the parallel port |
| 11:52.33 | jm_ | you may have it, but kernel support is missing, read parport.txt |
| 11:52.36 | valdyn | relaxed: right, no more X specific exception(s) to the directory layout standard |
| 11:52.40 | ultimated | how can i remove and reinstall apache, php... |
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| 11:52.50 | nkuttler | ultimated: why do you want to do that? |
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| 11:53.17 | Halitherses | thats |
| 11:53.20 | Halitherses | thanks |
| 11:53.21 | relaxed | valdyn: Ok, I'm sure you can pass that to nvidia's installer. Thanks for the info :) |
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| 11:53.43 | SkymanOverr | br |
| 11:53.49 | jaaroo | hello there. I've just installed (via deboottrap) debian on a very strange embedded arm machine. Now running in chroot and experiencing some problems - I've installed ssh but when I try to connect to the machine I get ssh: stdin not a tty. What is wrong and how to solve that? |
| 11:54.08 | ultimated | so many error |
| 11:54.16 | valdyn | !remove apache |
| 11:54.23 | ultimated | people we;re helping me on apache and wow... |
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| 11:54.30 | valdyn | ultimated: apt-get remove --purge apache-common |
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| 11:55.42 | ultimated | that's it? |
| 11:56.06 | ultimated | valdyn now how to install it... |
| 11:56.16 | valdyn | ultimated: apt-get install apache |
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| 11:58.00 | ultimated | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:58.00 | ultimated | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.00 | ultimated | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.00 | ultimated | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.16 | valdyn | oo |
| 11:58.21 | valdyn | !moron ultimated |
| 11:58.21 | dpkg | ultimated: You are moron #95 |
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| 11:58.30 | ultimated | getting errors |
| 11:58.32 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: you back yet? |
| 11:58.35 | ultimated | after install |
| 11:58.51 | valdyn | ultimated: so you really are talking about apache2, not apache |
| 11:58.57 | ultimated | yes |
| 11:59.08 | ultimated | i replaced apache with apache2.. :D |
| 11:59.18 | fireba11 | ultimated: then of course you need ot purce apache2-common not apache-common |
| 11:59.23 | ultimated | i did |
| 11:59.25 | fireba11 | purge even |
| 11:59.25 | ultimated | i replaced apache with apache2.. :D |
| 11:59.27 | fireba11 | hm |
| 11:59.31 | fireba11 | the other packages too ? |
| 11:59.38 | ultimated | php |
| 11:59.46 | ultimated | also need to purge php... |
| 12:00.11 | ultimated | apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 12:00.21 | ultimated | apt-get install php4 php4-gd libapache2-mod-php4 php4-pear php4-mcrypt |
| 12:00.26 | ultimated | need to purge those |
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| 12:01.51 | ultimated | please help so confused |
| 12:02.03 | fireba11 | ultimated: well then purge them .. nothing about it |
| 12:02.09 | ultimated | how? |
| 12:02.14 | valdyn | ultimated: use brain |
| 12:02.36 | fireba11 | apt-get remove --purge list of packages to purge |
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| 12:02.42 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 12:02.46 | ultimated | ok |
| 12:02.47 | ultimated | thanks |
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| 12:03.25 | kimo | how do I download isos using rsync please :) |
| 12:03.29 | falco_toadfoot | is there any fix / workaround for #362105 ? |
| 12:03.31 | ultimated | ok done |
| 12:03.41 | fireba11 | kimo: uhm . .rsync is not intended for downlaoding ^^ |
| 12:03.42 | ultimated | now how do i reinstall apache2? |
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| 12:03.57 | Halitherses | If I have set up a parallel port scanner that works, will I still be able to print to a parallel port printer using the same port? |
| 12:04.01 | kimo | fireba11: actually, I downloaded a bad one & I wanna sync it |
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| 12:04.16 | kimo | fireba11: is it link rsync -azuz ftp://IP/iso/*.iso . |
| 12:04.24 | kimo | fireba11: that's avuz |
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| 12:04.31 | Halitherses | assuming i unplug the scanner and plug in the printer? |
| 12:04.47 | valdyn | Halitherses: you can do that |
| 12:05.23 | ifvoid | kimo: well, you need to use an rsync mirror |
| 12:05.37 | kimo | ifvoid: yeah ... it's a public rsync mirror |
| 12:05.57 | kimo | ifvoid: is my command correct ? (typical?) |
| 12:06.20 | Halitherses | why should I get this error then? |
| 12:06.23 | Halitherses | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:06.35 | Halitherses | I checked my kernel options |
| 12:06.39 | Halitherses | they seem to be fine |
| 12:06.42 | valdyn | Halitherses: modprobe lp |
| 12:06.46 | ifvoid | kimo: yeah, but you need to use rsync://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian-cd/etc |
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| 12:06.53 | ifvoid | kimo: you can't rsync over ftp |
| 12:07.04 | Halitherses | I have parallel port support compiled into the kernel. |
| 12:07.07 | kimo | ifvoid: thnx, and it's avuz correct |
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| 12:07.24 | valdyn | Halitherses: and parallel PRINTER support too? |
| 12:07.26 | ifvoid | kimo: you might want to add -P |
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| 12:07.43 | Halitherses | let me check |
| 12:07.54 | kimo | ifvoid: thnx |
| 12:08.09 | anabain | if I have made 1) # tar cvf home.tar /home in an auxiliary hdd, then 2) formatted # mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda4 to change fs from reiserfs to ext3, 3) modified fstab accordingly, 4) # tar xvf home.tar /home, I will get a home dir in /home (/dev/sda4 partition), won't I? Should I move home dir content to the top directoy level of /home, as in normal systems? I mean, will that work, will the system recognize /home properly if made this way? |
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| 12:08.26 | ifvoid | anabain: no |
| 12:08.32 | ifvoid | anabain: just cd / |
| 12:08.40 | ifvoid | and then tar xvzf hom.tar.gz |
| 12:08.48 | ifvoid | (in step 4) |
| 12:09.07 | ifvoid | and yes, you system will "recognise" it |
| 12:09.14 | ifvoid | there's nothing special about the directory |
| 12:09.18 | anabain | ok |
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| 12:09.39 | ifvoid | and don't forget to mount the dir ;) |
| 12:09.47 | anabain | of course, :) |
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| 12:10.39 | disposable | how do i make JuK play mp3s? i've got libmad0 installed, but to no avail |
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| 12:13.10 | relaxed | Using Nvidia's installer with Debian Sid + Xorg 7.0.0 you need to use, "./NVIDIA-.. --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules" |
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| 12:13.45 | Silent_al | hello , how can i unmount a swap partition? i have 2 swap partitions and i wana delete 1 of them |
| 12:13.58 | MoDaX | Silent_al: swapoff |
| 12:14.13 | Stevie | swapoff |
| 12:14.24 | Stevie | bah, too slow |
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| 12:15.09 | anabain | Stevie, problem of tar "solved" |
| 12:15.24 | Silent_al | MoDaX Stevie , thank u guys :) |
| 12:16.15 | Halitherses | where is thje option for parallel printer support in menu config? |
| 12:16.47 | anabain | as simple as letting the computer *finish* the untar process. then all owners are set ok... shame on me, Stevie |
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| 12:21.36 | uros_ | i have /boot partition on /dev/hda7 and / on /dev/hda6, vmlinuz-2.6.8 on boot partition and dunno how to boot kernel with grub correctly , i get error , could not mount / parition , try specify right root=/... param. |
| 12:21.36 | hoe | hi all, when installing sarge went via exim config with one return, how can i rego through it, can't see exim[4]-config, dpkg-reconfigure exim4 exits ok without a line printed, exim4-config is installed |
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| 12:21.49 | Zugschlus | !drec |
| 12:21.59 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell hoe about drec |
| 12:22.17 | Zugschlus | err, where are the factoids? |
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| 12:22.30 | Zugschlus | !dpkg, drec is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, run it as root to reconfigure exim4 |
| 12:22.31 | dpkg | is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, run it as root to reconfigure exim4: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 12:22.35 | jm_ | !drec Zugschlus |
| 12:22.35 | dpkg | Zugschlus: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
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| 12:22.55 | Zugschlus | jm_: that syntax is new, right? |
| 12:23.03 | Zugschlus | !drec hoe |
| 12:23.03 | dpkg | hoe: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 12:23.11 | jm_ | Zugschlus: I have added it last week and slightly fucked up one of the factoids on the way :)) |
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| 12:23.20 | hoe | Zugschlus: aah, reconfig the cfg pkg, not just exim4, tx |
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| 12:23.30 | pabs3 | anyone know if it is possible (and how) to add a volume label to a reiserfs partition? |
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| 12:23.34 | Zugschlus | jm_: I see ;) |
| 12:24.08 | uros_ | i have /boot partition on /dev/hda7 and / on /dev/hda6, vmlinuz-2.6.8 on boot partition and dunno how to boot kernel with grub correctly , i get error , could not mount / parition , try specify right root=/... param. |
| 12:24.41 | jm_ | uros_: Debian has added it to menu.lst, otherwise run update-grub |
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| 12:25.01 | Adel | hello people |
| 12:25.30 | AngelGabriel | Anyone know how to define static routes on a wireless netgear router? |
| 12:25.34 | jm_ | uros_: make sure it loads initrd image too |
| 12:25.43 | uros_ | jm_, hm |
| 12:25.47 | uros_ | jm_, what image |
| 12:25.55 | jm_ | uros_: initrd image, that image |
| 12:25.57 | uros_ | jm_, when i compiled it i didnt get any image |
| 12:26.09 | jm_ | uros_: so this is a custom kernel? |
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| 12:26.12 | Adel | AngelGabriel: hello |
| 12:26.13 | uros_ | ya |
| 12:26.29 | jm_ | then it might mean you fucked up compiling it or it needs an initrd image to boot |
| 12:26.40 | uros_ | jm_, it boots |
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| 12:26.48 | jm_ | uros_: yes, but can't mount / |
| 12:26.54 | uros_ | ya |
| 12:27.02 | jm_ | right, this is where initrd part comes in |
| 12:27.12 | uros_ | ahh |
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| 12:27.13 | Adel | jm_: hi |
| 12:27.22 | uros_ | so what is tha problem |
| 12:27.32 | jmp_me | what's the debian package for X.org? x-window-system gives me xfree86 |
| 12:27.35 | jm_ | re-check your kernel config |
| 12:27.43 | Eclipser | !xorg |
| 12:27.44 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 12:27.50 | uros_ | u think it is a config problem |
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| 12:28.18 | Eclipser | !u |
| 12:28.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:28.28 | jm_ | it's most likely yes |
| 12:28.31 | Silent_al | its me again... =\ i have a 4GB HD.. im trying to partition it as FAT32,but gparted allows me to do that only in linux format(ext2,ext3,swap).. |
| 12:28.32 | taha | I am not able to connect to any server through xchat on debian |
| 12:28.38 | bugjuice | hello, anyone getting 'BadRequest' problems after upgrading to X.Org 7.0? |
| 12:28.44 | jm_ | jmp_me: Sarge doesn't have x.org |
| 12:28.51 | uros_ | jm_, so when i boot costum kernel i dont need to add some initrd params right |
| 12:28.51 | disposable | jmp_me, are you on sarge? |
| 12:28.52 | taha | every time i get error proxy traversal failed |
| 12:28.56 | jmp_me | yes |
| 12:29.01 | taha | can someone help |
| 12:29.06 | jm_ | uros_: only if you configure the kernel properly |
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| 12:29.15 | Adel | taha: priv hello ïðèâåò |
| 12:29.16 | uros_ | jm_, ok |
| 12:29.24 | jmp_me | jm_, disposable: dpkg said it was availible on backports |
| 12:29.39 | jm_ | jmp_me: yes, but you have to install it first ... |
| 12:29.51 | ibroadfo | upgraded to the new xorg in unstable, and can't run the vast majority of X apps |
| 12:30.00 | disposable | jmp_me, backports.org has all the info you need |
| 12:30.11 | jmp_me | yah yah. old news |
| 12:30.12 | jmp_me | :) |
| 12:30.21 | pingouin | where i'm supose to set, the default font (hight/width) that are use for some apps, like Seamonkey, thunderbird.... |
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| 12:30.36 | bugjuice | most GTK apps, firefox, thunderbird, gqview, etc, fail with BadRequest, and all KDE apps print 'X Error: BadRequest' but seem to work... |
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| 12:30.48 | pingouin | the font use in the menu of those apps |
| 12:31.02 | taha | i am on sarge |
| 12:31.02 | AngelGabriel | Adel, Hi |
| 12:31.10 | ibroadfo | errors like "XError in function Unknown, resource 0x03200053 (request 152.23): BadRequest" |
| 12:31.26 | ibroadfo | bugjuice: yeah |
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| 12:31.32 | ibroadfo | Eterm is working for me |
| 12:31.37 | bugjuice | X Error: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) 1 |
| 12:31.46 | bugjuice | The program 'gqview' received an X Window System error. |
| 12:31.51 | ibroadfo | but none of the other terms are. |
| 12:31.54 | Adel | AngelGabriel: how are you |
| 12:31.54 | bugjuice | The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'... |
| 12:32.12 | uros_ | jm_, i dont know where in menuconfig i can find these configurations |
| 12:32.21 | bugjuice | ibroadfo: is this a problem of the newly added packages? any solution? |
| 12:32.38 | sep | bugjuice, wait until it's fixed |
| 12:32.44 | jm_ | uros_: the driver needed to access / and relevant fs support for it need to be built-in |
| 12:32.45 | ibroadfo | bugjuice: I assume it's a problem with the updated xorg, yes |
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| 12:32.54 | sound | how can i make dsp? |
| 12:32.58 | sep | bugjuice, X11R7 is intering unstable expect majore brakage |
| 12:33.00 | Maulkin | bugjuice: have you restarted X? |
| 12:33.09 | bugjuice | Maulkin: yes |
| 12:33.14 | Maulkin | Ahh, yeah, that too. It's broken. |
| 12:33.16 | AngelGabriel | Adel, I'm okay, and urself? |
| 12:33.17 | sound | makedev make nothing |
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| 12:33.21 | ibroadfo | I'll see if rolling back down to the version in experimental (which has been fine for me recently) fixes things |
| 12:33.24 | bugjuice | Maulkin: at first I got problems with fonts, but that was different paths |
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| 12:33.50 | EdLin | sound: modprobe snd-mixer-oss |
| 12:33.52 | bugjuice | Maulkin: now X start without any errors, but many apps fail... |
| 12:33.57 | Maulkin | bugjuice: try to apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:34.02 | EdLin | sound: assuming you're running a 2.6 kernel |
| 12:34.11 | sound | yup |
| 12:34.11 | uros_ | jm_, sure u got that right , i had moduled support for ext3 |
| 12:34.16 | jm_ | uros_: :) |
| 12:34.17 | EdLin | !u |
| 12:34.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:34.21 | bugjuice | Maulkin: which is the most up to date apt server? ftp.debian.org? |
| 12:34.23 | Holborn | sound /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 12:34.40 | bugjuice | Maulkin: I updated/upgraded from that just a while before |
| 12:34.41 | EdLin | Holborn: he's missing /dev/dsp - he needs oss support |
| 12:34.48 | Maulkin | bugjuice: all oh the official debian ones are up to date |
| 12:34.49 | Holborn | au .. sorry |
| 12:34.56 | Halitherses | I found the probel as to why my printer would not work |
| 12:35.00 | Maulkin | bugjuice: did you do it today? |
| 12:35.15 | bugjuice | Maulkin: yes about an hour ago |
| 12:35.17 | Halitherses | I had not enabled parallel printer support |
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| 12:35.36 | bugjuice | Maulkin: strange thing, that some GTK apps work, but some don't start, also xmodmap fails |
| 12:35.36 | Maulkin | bugjuice: In that case, try to do it again tomorrow, it may be fixed by then. |
| 12:35.59 | bugjuice | Maulkin: I used to remap Menu to be CapsLock but xmodmap fails now |
| 12:36.13 | bugjuice | Maulkin: maybe something with the kbd drivers I'm thinking... |
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| 12:36.33 | Maulkin | bugjuice: try to do it again tomorrow, it may be fixed by then. |
| 12:36.44 | Maulkin | At the moment, it's broken |
| 12:36.51 | bugjuice | ok |
| 12:37.09 | bugjuice | Just, thought, maybe there was a workaround |
| 12:37.31 | bugjuice | some package that should be installed but the packager didn't put in the depends list by mistake or something... |
| 12:37.50 | bugjuice | I'll wait till tomorrow.. |
| 12:37.51 | bugjuice | thanks |
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| 12:38.39 | sound | so i dont need dsp?? |
| 12:38.54 | Adel | AngelGabriel: there you from |
| 12:40.19 | Silent_al | hello...for some reason,i cant format a 4GB HD as FAT32 using gparted\fdisk\cfdisk, i think it has something to do with the number of cylinders,bcoz it is set to 8912. how can i fix this? any leads please :( |
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| 12:43.59 | EdLin | Silent_al: you don't use a partitioning tool to format. |
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| 12:44.06 | sound | abut my Q ill ask later |
| 12:44.08 | sound | thanks |
| 12:44.35 | Silent_al | EdLin, what then?... mkfs.vfat? |
| 12:45.13 | EdLin | Silent_al: yes |
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| 12:48.04 | bipolar | can anyone explain this from df: /dev/mapper/metal-titanium 79G 75G 140M 100% /mount/titanium |
| 12:48.13 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 12:48.21 | bipolar | 75 out of 79 GB used but only 140MB free?! |
| 12:48.25 | Adel | AngelGabriel: hellooooo |
| 12:48.53 | Silent_al | EdLin: thanx |
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| 12:48.57 | dfd | hello |
| 12:49.06 | EdLin | Silent_al: np |
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| 12:49.24 | bipolar | And du only shows 75GB of files... WTF? |
| 12:49.33 | arturaz | erm. how do i tell apt to use ipv4 instead of ipv6? |
| 12:49.34 | jaaroo | debootstrapped sarge with ssh installed and running in chroot. When authentized I get ssh: stdin is not a tty and connection freezes. Any suggestions what could be wrong? |
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| 12:49.56 | dfd | how can I force a deb package to uninstall? I installed some packages from ubuntu repositories.. now I can't upgrade some packages.. but I can't even remove the ubuntu packages :\ |
| 12:49.57 | jaaroo | ^ this holds for incoming connections. ssh from the machine works well. |
| 12:50.20 | fireba11 | bipolar: that happened to me once when i cancelled a scp file transfer .. |
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| 12:50.37 | bipolar | fireba11: how did you fix it? |
| 12:50.37 | EdLin | dfd: that's what you get for mixing repositories, a broken system. |
| 12:50.39 | fireba11 | bipolar: reboot with fsck fixed ti, but there are probably more delicate methods too |
| 12:50.40 | bryndza | Hi, does somebedy have some hints/tips/tric how to tweek network performance on gigabit netowrk to better performance then 250mbit/s / |
| 12:50.46 | dfd | EdLin, thanks |
| 12:50.51 | dfd | EdLin, can you help me? |
| 12:50.58 | dfd | (pls) |
| 12:51.13 | EdLin | dfd: you probably have fsck'd your system beyond repair. |
| 12:51.36 | bipolar | fireba11: well, I've got to do something... I'm running out of space. down to 118MB free now |
| 12:51.50 | fireba11 | bryndza: depending on your chipset/mainboard that may be the max .. also note that if you transfer files your HDs need to be ablt to write/read fast enough ... |
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| 12:52.26 | bipolar | of course, this is just as everyone is comming into the office and logging in. |
| 12:52.32 | fireba11 | bipolar: whats eating up space so fast on that box ? |
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| 12:52.45 | dfd | EdLin, lol.. nah I don't think. I just need to force to delete some package.. I could remove the files manually and set the package as not selected in the db.. but I would avoid it :\ |
| 12:52.47 | fireba11 | bipolar: ah |
| 12:52.51 | bryndza | fireba11 i have intel server board with integrated intel pro 1000, and the IO system is a 4x HDD RAID0 with good performance |
| 12:52.53 | bipolar | fireba11: nothing. the file sizes are not going up, but my free space is dropping. |
| 12:53.12 | jaaroo | could you please give me some advice how I can get php5 into sarge on non-i386 (on sarge) |
| 12:53.47 | fireba11 | bryndza: and on the other side of the connection ? |
| 12:53.58 | abrotman | bipolar: everyone is on EST? :) |
| 12:54.02 | jaaroo | I suppose that testing/unstable packages aren't the good choice as they depend on testing/unstable libc6 which is not what I want. |
| 12:54.07 | EdLin | abrotman: EDT. :-) |
| 12:54.12 | abrotman | !phillysmite bipolar |
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| 12:54.17 | abrotman | EdLin: whatever! |
| 12:54.27 | bipolar | abrotman: you mean the server? |
| 12:54.27 | ifvoid | bryndza: what is the bottleneck? |
| 12:54.35 | bryndza | fireba11 the other side is cappable over 1gbit connection |
| 12:54.40 | abrotman | bipolar: yes! |
| 12:54.46 | bipolar | abrotman: or was that a joke of some kind :P |
| 12:54.50 | ibroadfo | ok, downgrading xorg to xperimental seems fine again |
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| 12:54.53 | De_Mon | I'm trying to resize an lvm.. It's unmounted but when i lvchange -an /dev/my/lv it says the device is in use |
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| 12:54.54 | bryndza | ifvoid it look like the NIC |
| 12:54.59 | ILF_ | todays sid upgrade killed my german "umlaut"-keys. even dkpg-reconfigured xserver-xorg, same. any idea? |
| 12:55.13 | ifvoid | bryndza: have you tried just nc'ing 0's over the line to see if it's really the connection that's the problem? |
| 12:55.13 | bipolar | abrotman: I'm loosing free space on my server for no apparent reason. |
| 12:55.25 | ifvoid | bryndza: could also be nfs, for example |
| 12:55.36 | EdLin | ILF_: you're lucky, your X11R7 is working better than a lot of other people. |
| 12:55.44 | abrotman | bipolar: losing free space? |
| 12:55.46 | bipolar | abrotman: du -h says 75GB on mount point with 79GB disk. df -h shows 100MB free |
| 12:55.52 | ifvoid | bipolar: try du -hsc /* to see where it goes |
| 12:56.03 | bryndza | ifvoid fireba11 i have two NICs, both intel 1000 pro, but here performance together is the same like performance by one itself |
| 12:56.05 | abrotman | bipolar: oh .. fsck it |
| 12:56.16 | bryndza | ifvoid i don`t use nfs, i use FTP protocol |
| 12:56.24 | ILF_ | EdLin: ah, so it's a general problem, not mine? |
| 12:56.28 | ifvoid | bryndza: have you tried just netcatting? |
| 12:56.29 | bryndza | ifvoid i was ussing netperf |
| 12:56.30 | fireba11 | bryndza: how do your measure your performance ? |
| 12:56.33 | EdLin | ILF_: probably |
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| 12:56.40 | bipolar | abrotman: crap... I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that... just installed this server, no backup yet. jeez |
| 12:56.47 | ILF_ | ok, hope it'll be fixed in the next upgrade then .) |
| 12:56.53 | bryndza | fireba11 netperf and so |
| 12:57.02 | ircdevil | where is a good place to ask about gnuplot+ |
| 12:57.03 | ircdevil | ? |
| 12:57.07 | bryndza | ant cat /proc/dev/net :) |
| 12:57.10 | abrotman | bipolar: it's a good place to start .. may not be the solution |
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| 12:57.12 | norskfjord | hi |
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| 12:57.35 | bipolar | abrotman: can I run it in 'check only' mode on a mounted partition? |
| 12:57.40 | fireba11 | abrotman: i had free space shown and total filesize differ once. .fsck fixed it |
| 12:57.48 | abrotman | bipolar: which partition is it? |
| 12:57.48 | norskfjord | My network was working fine till I rebooted and put in another NIC, then took it out and rebooted and now I lost my ifconfig settings |
| 12:57.57 | norskfjord | so I do ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:57.59 | norskfjord | but I can |
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| 12:58.05 | norskfjord | but I still cant ping it |
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| 12:58.17 | jdhutchin1 | you also have to set up routes |
| 12:58.18 | abrotman | netmask? route? |
| 12:58.26 | fireba11 | norskfjord: you probably need a bit more than just the IP .. |
| 12:58.33 | ifvoid | norskfjord: just use /etc/network/interfaces and ifup |
| 12:58.33 | bipolar | abrotman: it's a partition for a vmware server disk. the vmware server guest is running, and it's the samba server. :\ |
| 12:58.36 | norskfjord | what else do I need to do |
| 12:58.42 | abrotman | !tell root-66 about root |
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| 12:59.04 | fireba11 | bipolar: wtf ? why do you run samba in a VMware ?? |
| 12:59.07 | abrotman | bipolar: uhm .. that's a bit confusing .. can you unmount it and still have / running? |
| 12:59.24 | bipolar | abrotman: yes. but I have to shut down the vmware server. |
| 12:59.35 | abrotman | bipolar: this is bad? |
| 12:59.42 | bipolar | fireba11: not vmware workstation. vmware serrver, aka; GSX |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | bipolar: why do you have samba running in vmware? |
| 13:00.02 | fireba11 | bipolar: still samba is nothing that should be run in VMware if you ask me |
| 13:00.09 | bipolar | abrotman: efficent use of the server. |
| 13:00.23 | abrotman | bipolar: xen probably would have been more efficient .. but oh well |
| 13:00.24 | bipolar | fireba11: work with it. it's really nice. |
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| 13:00.44 | bipolar | abrotman: I might need to run windows on this in the near future. Otherwise it would have been xen. |
| 13:01.02 | abrotman | i believe xen can run windows .. but it doesn't matter .. |
| 13:01.07 | fireba11 | bipolar: i'm using VMware her .. also i got a samba server .. i got VMware for snapshot functionality in development ... |
| 13:01.15 | abrotman | bipolar: you acn try to fsck a live FS .. but beware it's not the wisest thing to do |
| 13:01.46 | bipolar | fireba11: have you checked out the server product? |
| 13:01.54 | bipolar | abrotman: I'll shut down the server. |
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| 13:02.08 | fireba11 | bipolar: yes .. am still waiting for the small, free server version to be out of beta though |
| 13:02.13 | norskfjord | so how do I set my ip to 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:02.15 | abrotman | fireba11: you got vwmare running on a girl? |
| 13:02.16 | amee2k | how can i install 'engage' for enlightenment window manager? |
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| 13:02.29 | fireba11 | abrotman: ?? |
| 13:02.42 | abrotman | fireba11: you made a typo |
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| 13:03.02 | fireba11 | abrotman: ah .. should have been here of course |
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| 13:03.31 | fireba11 | abrotman: got a couple server with female names though *g* |
| 13:03.32 | `Sly` | norskfjord: ifconfig |
| 13:03.35 | quiet | i installed apache2 and mysql-server-4.1 when i attempt to install php4 it says it's going to install 'apache-common' is this the same as apache 1.3.x? |
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| 13:04.16 | cheal | quiet: it's part of it |
| 13:04.26 | tzafrir_laptop | anybody managed to install add-block on mozilla in Sarge? |
| 13:04.41 | fireba11 | bipolar: still for samba snapshot functionality makes no sense .. and samba servers tend to accumulate huge amounts of data ... to have an extra box handle that is usually way faster than in a VM with a virtual HD |
| 13:04.43 | norskfjord | `Sly`: it's not working but it show |
| 13:04.46 | norskfjord | should |
| 13:04.52 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: you here? back from the bus yet? |
| 13:05.00 | tzafrir_laptop | It seems to fail the installation for me. Maybe it tries to write to a system dir |
| 13:05.39 | `Sly` | norskfjord: ifconfig eth0 restart |
| 13:06.35 | tzafrir_laptop | worse yet, I can't figure how to remove the "Pending" extension |
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| 13:06.39 | action09 | hi |
| 13:07.08 | norskfjord | restart: unknown host |
| 13:07.25 | norskfjord | it happened after I changed my hostname |
| 13:07.44 | abrotman | fireba11: but they're not very CPU intensive |
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| 13:08.09 | norskfjord | its weird |
| 13:08.23 | Adel | . |
| 13:08.28 | norskfjord | any ideas? |
| 13:08.37 | fireba11 | abrotman: yes ... but still it's something i wouldn't do |
| 13:08.37 | bipolar | fireba11: the vmware server 'beta' is what I'm using :) |
| 13:08.48 | fireba11 | bipolar: any problems with it ? |
| 13:08.54 | TmR|internship | omg fireba11 !!! |
| 13:08.56 | quiet | in sarge, what is 'mysql-server' 4.0, 5.0? i see mysql-server-4.1 |
| 13:08.56 | abrotman | fireba11: nor would i .. but he did .. not your problem :) |
| 13:08.56 | TmR|internship | where have you been? |
| 13:08.58 | norskfjord | and I keep getting flooded with the packets when I try to ping from the other box |
| 13:09.08 | bipolar | fireba11: it's not really a beta thing, it was GSX, and well tested as such. no problems at all. |
| 13:09.22 | berzerka | norskfjord: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 |
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| 13:09.44 | bipolar | fireba11: this disk thing isn't related, and it's on the host. |
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| 13:10.06 | norskfjord | berzerka: doen that but it doesnt work |
| 13:10.09 | norskfjord | like the network |
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| 13:10.18 | norskfjord | I cant ping the box |
| 13:10.44 | bipolar | quiet: mysql 5 is not in sarge iirc. |
| 13:11.00 | norskfjord | oh got it |
| 13:11.05 | berzerka | norskfjord: well what do you want to do then, actually? your interface's ip address is now certainly 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:11.12 | bipolar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.15 | quiet | bipolar, i didn't think so... but i saw this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357#install_mysql which made me wonder. |
| 13:11.16 | bipolar | w t f |
| 13:11.16 | norskfjord | its working now:) |
| 13:11.28 | berzerka | ... |
| 13:11.38 | bipolar | 20% non-contiguous? thats the highest I've ever seen it. |
| 13:12.09 | bipolar | there is only about 10 files on the file system, and one is 75GB in size. |
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| 13:14.17 | bob_boy | how do you get glx module to load in 7.0 when I startx glx module not found needs sub modules |
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| 13:15.11 | bob_boy | I got the nvidia drivers to load |
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| 13:15.19 | lorenz | hello. how to make an actual installtion clonable? |
| 13:15.30 | lorenz | *installation |
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| 13:15.51 | cheal | bob_boy: is nvidia-glx installed? |
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| 13:17.02 | plasmoduck | hey I have a Dlink DSL-302G modem connected via usb, when I go to http://10.1.1.2 to configure it the page wont load |
| 13:17.17 | abrotman | !tell lorenz about debian clone |
| 13:17.25 | abrotman | lorenz: that will match package lists |
| 13:17.26 | bipolar | fdisk showed no problems with the volume, other then the high fragmentation. |
| 13:17.43 | ifvoid | plasmoduck: can't you connect it over ethernet? |
| 13:17.51 | bob_boy | no, you can't install glx because of nvidia 8756 |
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| 13:18.09 | plasmoduck | no |
| 13:18.27 | plasmoduck | when I plug it into my hub the light doesnt come on |
| 13:18.31 | plasmoduck | the ethernet light |
| 13:18.54 | ifvoid | plasmoduck: aybe you're using the wrong caple/port? |
| 13:19.08 | cheal | bob_boy: "because of nvidia 8756"? |
| 13:19.14 | jm_ | lorenz: ehh? |
| 13:19.16 | ifvoid | plasmoduck: usb dsl modems are generally badly supported under linux |
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| 13:19.29 | LSorensen | plasmoduck: hub's generaly don't auto mid-x, so you can't plug a cablemodem into a hub without a cross over cable (or using a crossover/uplink port on the hub) |
| 13:19.39 | mikefoo | Hmm I need a ssh client other then putty, need ot keep 30-40 shells open at a time and have someone of an easy way to navigate through them. |
| 13:19.41 | lorenz | abrotman, thanks a lot. but that not have effect for configuration files? |
| 13:19.43 | ifvoid | plasmoduck: your secific model might or might not be, you'll need to google for that |
| 13:19.43 | mikefoo | a windows client.. |
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| 13:19.53 | moshii | mikefoo: screen |
| 13:19.54 | bipolar | I'll run a defrag tonight after everyone goes home :P |
| 13:19.55 | abrotman | lorenz: nope |
| 13:20.00 | bob_boy | yeah depenancy problems |
| 13:20.04 | ifvoid | mikefoo: maybe some normal X client with cygwin? |
| 13:20.08 | LSorensen | mikefoo: cygwin with bash running screen with ssh in each screen session? |
| 13:20.16 | lorenz | abrotman, ok thanks. |
| 13:20.20 | LSorensen | mikefoo: can do at least 10 per window that way |
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| 13:20.36 | abrotman | lorenz: most people don't want to copy all the configuration items |
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| 13:21.00 | tarzeau | !moo |
| 13:21.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:21.03 | lorenz | abrotman, that's right |
| 13:21.07 | bipolar | abrotman: after remounting, no changes with fdisk, i have 650MB free. Thats still not correct, but at least it's better then it was. |
| 13:21.10 | bob_boy | you need to sim link your drivers, the directories have been changed |
| 13:21.28 | abrotman | bipolar: i blame vmware! .. and the legion of monkeys! |
| 13:21.44 | bipolar | I think it might be the fragmention eating the disk. |
| 13:21.44 | plasmoduck | okay |
| 13:21.44 | bipolar | abrotman: lol |
| 13:21.45 | plasmoduck | I plugged it into the daisychain port |
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| 13:22.03 | plasmoduck | still can't access it |
| 13:22.11 | plasmoduck | says connecting, then waiting |
| 13:22.21 | bob_boy | does anyone know how do you get glx module to load in 7.0 when I startx glx module not found needs sub modules |
| 13:22.37 | madjpm | hum ... since I dist-upgrade this morning, xorg can find any fonts, it seems fonts are not in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc anymore but in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc now... |
| 13:22.41 | madjpm | is this normal ? |
| 13:22.47 | ifvoid | daisychain? what |
| 13:22.50 | ifvoid | daisychain? what's that? |
| 13:25.08 | Shadur | X7 breaks a lot of stuff, apparently. |
| 13:25.48 | scytheman | and it neets discover1 :( |
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| 13:27.32 | abrotman | you make it sound like discover is a bad thing? |
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| 13:27.56 | lorenz | !kernel |
| 13:27.59 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.16.4, prepatch: 2.6.17-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.17-rc1-git5, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.17-rc1-mm2 |
| 13:28.36 | scytheman | abrotman, no, it isn't, but i don't need it, and with X7 i have to install it (again) |
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| 13:28.45 | cheal | !tell lorenz about msg the bot |
| 13:29.09 | De_Mon | is it really called 'X7' ? |
| 13:29.11 | abrotman | scytheman: at least it's not udev! |
| 13:29.25 | abrotman | De_Mon: i don't think so |
| 13:29.27 | scytheman | abrotman, i never tried udev before |
| 13:29.33 | lorenz | cheal, pardon :) |
| 13:29.34 | abrotman | X11R7.0 |
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| 13:29.35 | De_Mon | udev is breaking my lvms :( |
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| 13:29.43 | cheal | bob_boy: you need to install nvidia-glx if it's not done |
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| 13:30.10 | tombs | hi all |
| 13:30.30 | bob_boy | cheal last update took out glx |
| 13:30.38 | scytheman | abrotman, what's so bad about udev? |
| 13:30.46 | bob_boy | now won't download |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | try it and witness the horror |
| 13:31.03 | scytheman | abrotman, hm, no, thanks :) |
| 13:31.08 | abrotman | raise your hands if you like udev ... |
| 13:31.13 | abrotman | or just a hand will do |
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| 13:31.49 | abrotman | now raise your hand if you think udev is the tool of the devil! |
| 13:32.00 | zebalin4 | abrotman: if you don't use udev, what is alternative so that pen drives, etc.will mount? The 'old' hotplug? |
| 13:32.23 | abrotman | zebalin4: that is one |
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| 13:32.47 | abrotman | zebalin4: i use gnome .. and kind of got forced into udev .. works mostly fine for me .. but it's not ideal IMO |
| 13:32.49 | scytheman | yeah, apparently noone is listening to you, abrotman :) |
| 13:33.00 | tumbleton | hi. i have debian sarge installed on my laptop. i used synaptic to install the new kernel, but when try to boot to it the process stops at "ACPI: IRQ10 SCI: Edge set to Level Trigger" can anyone point me in the right direction to fix this? :) |
| 13:33.10 | tumbleton | *kernel 2.6 |
| 13:33.14 | zebalin4 | abrotman: well, there seems to be a new version of udev about every ten minutes in 'sid'!! |
| 13:34.01 | abrotman | scytheman: it's not the first time |
| 13:34.07 | abrotman | zebalin4: that too :) |
| 13:34.18 | zebalin4 | tumbleton: 2.6 what? |
| 13:34.54 | zebalin4 | tumbleton: which package did you tell synaptic to install? |
| 13:34.57 | tumbleton | zebalin4: 2.6.8.3-k7 |
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| 13:35.30 | tumbleton | zebalin4: i just selected that kernel and it got the dependencies... thats all i did |
| 13:35.47 | zebalin4 | tumbleton: you running sarge, etch, or sid? |
| 13:36.18 | tumbleton | ah man... i thought sarge but now i'm not certain |
| 13:36.23 | tumbleton | oh well new question |
| 13:36.30 | jind | Does anybody know how to enable mp3 in gnomebaker? Trying to burn out mp3 as audiocd here |
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| 13:36.54 | tumbleton | does anyone know what it means when the boot process freezes at "ACPI: IRQ10 SCI: Edge set to Level Trigger" |
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| 13:36.59 | pipeline | jind: Install gstreamer0.8-plugins |
| 13:37.48 | digi | Hi; I've got an old NEC Versa LX laptop running 2.6.15-1-686, and I'd like to be able to suspend the system. Can somebody help me out here? |
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| 13:39.02 | lorenz | how MB requires the base system only? |
| 13:39.15 | abrotman | 250MBish |
| 13:39.21 | zebalin4 | tumbleton: google the error msg. Also, for hell of it try booting with parm: acpi=off noacpi and see what happens. |
| 13:39.30 | tumbleton | thanks zebalin4 |
| 13:39.32 | tumbleton | will do |
| 13:39.51 | jind | pipeline, thanks. Here goes |
| 13:40.07 | digi | I just installed the "hibernate" package, but I'm not sure if my kernel supports it... |
| 13:40.26 | ibroadfo | if you're not sure, it probably doesn't |
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| 13:41.01 | digi | ibroadfo: Okay; do you know how I could get suspend without recompiling the kernel? |
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| 13:42.50 | blondie | what a name |
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| 13:43.49 | Holborn | hi, packages in incoming.debian.org are definitive? .. or maintainers can upload diferent packages during a day with the same name? |
| 13:44.01 | tarzeau | Holborn: yes. no. |
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| 13:44.08 | Holborn | ? |
| 13:44.14 | Holborn | ah ok :) |
| 13:44.16 | tarzeau | Holborn: well new versions, but not overwriting what's there already |
| 13:44.21 | tarzeau | Holborn: two questions. two answers |
| 13:44.23 | madjpm | anyone know why xorg broke everything in sid ? |
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| 13:44.35 | tarzeau | dpkg topicsmite madjpm |
| 13:44.36 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon madjpm. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:44.36 | abrotman | madjpm: because it's unstable? |
| 13:44.49 | Silent_al | hi again... whats the best way to format a 30GB FAT partition? using W95 FAT32 or W95 FAT32(LBA) ? |
| 13:44.49 | tarzeau | madjpm: man, why do you run unstable? and why do you upgrade to xorg7? |
| 13:45.04 | tarzeau | madjpm: the only reason is for the modular drivers for unichrome drivers... no other reason to get xorg7 |
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| 13:45.55 | x|e | relaxed: you around? |
| 13:45.57 | madjpm | tarzeau: I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade ... |
| 13:46.12 | vin` | tarzeau: xgl and the extra eye-candy? |
| 13:46.13 | tarzeau | just another idiot |
| 13:46.18 | abrotman | madjpm: yes .. but you're running unstable .. THINGS BREAK |
| 13:46.21 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:46.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:46.27 | ibroadfo | madjpm: yeah, it's fucked. rollback |
| 13:46.34 | tarzeau | vin`: that's no reason to run sid |
| 13:46.40 | madjpm | abauer: that s the only way to have new packet version with debian |
| 13:46.46 | abrotman | that's a reason for X7 .. i think that's his point |
| 13:46.47 | tarzeau | ibroadfo: rollback? |
| 13:46.49 | vin` | ibroadfo: is a roll back smooth? |
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| 13:47.08 | abrotman | madjpm: so fix it .. since you're running unstable .. you should have the skills to fix it |
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| 13:47.18 | vin` | tarzeau: not for sid, that's the most popular reason these days to move to X7 |
| 13:47.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahaha |
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| 13:47.35 | tarzeau | vin`: i disagree |
| 13:47.38 | tarzeau | vin`: it's not a reason |
| 13:47.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's not a reason for you .. but it is one of the more popular reasons for OTHER people |
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| 13:49.26 | carbon60 | Where can I find megamgr to manage megaraid controllers? |
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| 13:49.33 | carbon60 | Google isn't being helpful. |
| 13:50.05 | abrotman | carbon60: did you get it installed? |
| 13:50.12 | carbon60 | abrotman: Yeah! |
| 13:50.19 | abrotman | carbon60: IRQs suck! |
| 13:50.31 | ibroadfo | vin`: I downgraded to xorg from experimental, which is working fine. I don't know how smooth downgrading to whatever was in unstable before xr7 was uploaded will be |
| 13:50.35 | madjpm | the only bug I found with xorg is a wrong font path in xorg |
| 13:50.51 | pingouin | where can i set the size of font for the menu in some apps like thunderbird/seamonkey ? |
| 13:50.52 | carbon60 | abrotman: Funny thing, hardware detect failed in the installer. So I loaded megaraid manually and ran that stage again. Found it and did the Right Thing. |
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| 13:51.06 | carbon60 | Guess I should file a bug… |
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| 13:51.17 | carbon60 | abrotman: Do you have debs for the management tools for megaraid? |
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| 13:51.40 | abrotman | nope |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | try apt-get.org ? |
| 13:51.53 | tarzeau | pingouin: these are special apps |
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| 13:53.03 | vin` | ibroadfo: I did that a couple of days back, wondering how to downgrade in unstable from 7 to 6.9 |
| 13:53.10 | abrotman | carbon60: http://www.lsilogic.com/cm/LookupDownloads.do?role=1&geo=ALL&category=2059&family=-1 |
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| 13:53.37 | vin` | ibroadfo: if I upgrade that is. ;) |
| 13:54.02 | abrocadabro | since no one is answering me in ##mac, in case anyone knows in here, how can one dissemble a powerpc program ? |
| 13:54.26 | tarzeau | abrocadabro: #debianppc or see gdb |
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| 13:54.45 | stew | abrocadabro: apt-cache search dissasembler |
| 13:54.46 | pingouin | tarzeau: so ? what i'm supose to do ? the size and the default font for the menu of seamonkey/thunderbird is not a setting in theirs menu, i guess it's somewhere in X config ? but..how/where ? if possible sure... |
| 13:54.48 | carbon60 | abrotman: megacli? |
| 13:54.51 | ircdevil | oh dear, the gnuplot manual sux :o((( |
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| 13:54.59 | abrocadabro | thanks |
| 13:55.13 | zoldar | uhhh did it at last - just came to say thank you to everybody who helped me :) |
| 13:55.21 | abrotman | carbon60: hrm ... wrong url maybe |
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| 13:55.27 | tarzeau | pingouin: sorry i don't want to help. i don't like seamonkey/firefox/mozilla/thunderbird |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | carbon60: http://www.lsilogic.com/cm/LookupDownloads.do?role=1&geo=ALL&category=2059&family=-1 |
| 13:55.31 | carbon60 | megacli, megamgr, ... |
| 13:55.31 | tarzeau | pingouin: check google |
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| 13:55.39 | abrotman | carbon60: there it is .. i guess it was the right one .. oh well |
| 13:55.44 | tarzeau | ircdevil: heh, why? |
| 13:56.26 | pingouin | tarzeau: thanks |
| 13:56.28 | carbon60 | Frig, the site won't load anymore. |
| 13:56.30 | vin` | pingouin: if you figure out how please let me know. |
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| 13:57.04 | pingouin | vin`: yep, i will...but never found anything about...on google.. |
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| 13:57.17 | ircdevil | tarzeau: i am writing a gnuplot script, and i cant find out how to get the curves black instead of in color! |
| 13:57.25 | Braindead | pingouin: do you use Gnome? |
| 13:57.50 | pingouin | Braindead: no, flwm |
| 13:57.50 | ircdevil | tarzeau: both the build-in and the online docs suck. |
| 13:58.02 | Braindead | pingouin: write your own .gtkrc-2.0 then |
| 13:58.14 | tarzeau | ircdevil: can you put your script online? |
| 13:58.15 | Braindead | gtk-font-name = "Terminus 14" (for example) |
| 13:58.20 | tarzeau | ircdevil: you generate picture or ps? |
| 13:58.21 | Braindead | or use gtk-theme-switch |
| 13:58.28 | stew | ircdevil: man gnuplot |
| 13:58.31 | pingouin | Braindead: hmm ok |
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| 14:00.07 | ircdevil | tarzeau: i am aiming for SVG or PS |
| 14:00.42 | ircdevil | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/655621 |
| 14:00.54 | carbon60 | abrotman: Do you actually use megamgr? |
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| 14:02.26 | ircdevil | stew: strangely, gnuplot -mono myscript.gp still gives colored output ... |
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| 14:03.28 | Covener | Slightly OT, anyone have a hint for getting a key bound to "cycle through desktops" in metacity? Always struck out in the past when trying to migrate from kde to gnome... Important bit being that it wraps around. |
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| 14:04.02 | zztt | can anyone recommend a good package for two-way mirroring a remote ftp directory to a local dir ? |
| 14:04.09 | ircdevil | tarzeau: seems like it is not possible to generate monochrome SVG - only PS. strange |
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| 14:05.02 | ircdevil | zztt: unison |
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| 14:05.18 | tarzeau | ircdevil: making color to monochrome is easy |
| 14:05.26 | zztt | ircdevil: thx. will check it out. any other suggestions ? |
| 14:05.31 | PaPyRene0101 | I have more (expensieve) upload then download internet traffic in my home network (= Firewall + Knoppix + 2x Windows XP); how to detect which (pc + ports) are 'guilty'? |
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| 14:06.20 | ircdevil | tarzeau: shure, but why am i wasting time finding out that gnuplot will only output colored SVG! it should of cause be possible to output monochrome as well ... |
| 14:07.09 | trueno | Hi! how can I change the default keyboard layout in isolinux? |
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| 14:07.16 | st0ner | hi, i got the nvidia driver working again at xorg7, but i cant type the AT,EURO,... sign anymore |
| 14:07.27 | ircdevil | zztt: rsynch |
| 14:07.43 | st0ner | (german keyboard) some1 knows how to fix this? |
| 14:07.58 | tarzeau | trueno: why would #debian care? |
| 14:08.00 | Dunedan | st0ner: How got you working it? |
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| 14:08.08 | st0ner | symlinks |
| 14:08.12 | tarzeau | trueno: what is isolinux? |
| 14:08.24 | tarzeau | st0ner: read sid faq yet? |
| 14:08.30 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 14:08.30 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:08.56 | trueno | a minilinux used to boot cds |
| 14:09.10 | Shadowcat | sid is horribly broken right now due to the xorg 7.0 transition |
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| 14:09.20 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: it's not if you don't use x |
| 14:09.29 | st0ner | lol |
| 14:09.29 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: and only on those archs xorg 7 built... |
| 14:09.42 | Shadowcat | I use X |
| 14:09.45 | tarzeau | so do i |
| 14:09.47 | Shadowcat | but I'm running 6.9 |
| 14:09.50 | tarzeau | but i don't daily upgrade my sid |
| 14:09.59 | Shadowcat | I'm holding the upgrades until they sort out all the bugs |
| 14:10.01 | st0ner | i wish i hadnt |
| 14:11.14 | st0ner | i really should switch to testing... |
| 14:11.54 | moshii | hmm I've had xorg from experimental running for ages |
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| 14:13.05 | ibroadfo | moshii: me too, and I'm back to it for now after this morning's fuckup :) |
| 14:13.06 | Shadowcat | moshii is the definition of crazy |
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| 14:13.20 | Shadowcat | what screwed up this morning? |
| 14:14.16 | moshii | Shadowcat: mmm works fine if you know what you're doing ;) |
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| 14:14.37 | Shadowcat | I have a policy for packages in unstable and testing |
| 14:14.38 | moshii | Xgl has been another story though.. totally nailed kde |
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| 14:14.43 | Shadowcat | if there's an active bug for the package |
| 14:14.45 | Shadowcat | I don't install it |
| 14:14.49 | jaaroo | when building with dpkg-buildpackage... is there any way how one can tweak configuration? |
| 14:15.00 | Shadowcat | jaaroo: edit the debian control file |
| 14:15.01 | vin` | moshii: couldn't get the experimental one running. |
| 14:15.05 | azeem | jaaroo: you need to edit debian/rules et al. |
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| 14:15.20 | moshii | vin`: what was the problem? |
| 14:15.38 | moshii | vin`: if kdm or gdm won't start it's because they look for X in the wrong place .. |
| 14:15.54 | vin` | moshii: #361689 |
| 14:15.56 | jaaroo | azeem & Shadowcat: thanks |
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| 14:17.13 | huhlig | good morning all |
| 14:17.16 | sound | can someone help me? |
| 14:17.21 | sound | sound problem |
| 14:17.42 | Shadur | sound, please go to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and pay careful attention to the suggestions there. It'll improve your chances of getting a useful answer. |
| 14:18.25 | vin` | moshii: do the log headers of the package you're running from exp read 7.0.? |
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| 14:18.57 | sound | thankx |
| 14:19.00 | moshii | vin`: give me two seconds, the other machine is running xorg 7.0.. I'll just check |
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| 14:19.08 | ibroadfo | vin`: yes for me |
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| 14:19.33 | moshii | vin`: X Window System Version 7.0.0 |
| 14:19.41 | vin` | strange, it didn't change for me. |
| 14:19.52 | moshii | vin`: something is wrong then |
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| 14:20.02 | moshii | vin`: maybe you updated the libs but not the server? |
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| 14:20.16 | HPS`Fresh | Ï ×ÅÞÅÒÁ ×ÓÅÍ ËÏÇÏ ÎÅ ×ÉÄÅÌ :) |
| 14:20.40 | mixter | hi! does anyone have experience of console redirection over IPMI? |
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| 14:20.54 | Ronin | !ru |
| 14:20.54 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 14:21.28 | vin` | moshii: updated everything afaik, dunno what I missed. |
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| 14:21.44 | rss | Hi! does a modified USB CueCat barcode scanner, work on Debian GNU/Linux? |
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| 14:21.54 | huhlig | is there anyway to force a package |
| 14:22.08 | Eclipser | force a package what? |
| 14:22.12 | mixter | huhlig: force what? |
| 14:22.18 | rss | with applications like alexandria and tellico |
| 14:22.18 | huhlig | it to install |
| 14:22.26 | huhlig | libsunmail-java |
| 14:22.34 | moshii | rss: have you googled this question? |
| 14:22.44 | mixter | huhlig: do you use aptitude? dpkg? apt-get? |
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| 14:22.51 | huhlig | apt-get |
| 14:22.58 | huhlig | or dpkg manually if I have to |
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| 14:23.00 | abrotman | carbon60: didn't even know it existed |
| 14:23.07 | rss | moshii: yes... that is what fuelled my doubt |
| 14:23.31 | moshii | rss: do you know if it works in linux to start with? if it does you can make it work with debian |
| 14:23.33 | rss | moshii: I find references to the unmodified cuecat scanners |
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| 14:24.27 | moshii | rss: If you have it already you should plug it in and google up some of the info dmesg spits out |
| 14:24.36 | huhlig | anyone? |
| 14:24.43 | moshii | rss: *already have it |
| 14:25.07 | mixter | huhlig: you could use --force or --ignore-depends with dpkg (run dpkg --help) to override dependecyproblems, but the package may not work afterwards |
| 14:25.28 | mixter | huhlig: use it only if you know what you're doing... as usual :-) |
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| 14:25.35 | carbon60 | abrotman: How to you monitor your arrays? |
| 14:25.43 | abrotman | carbon60: i can hear them :) |
| 14:26.03 | rss | moshii: cuecat barcode isn't like ordinary scanners, it was freebie scanner with a trojan kind of feature which would try to send the data scanned to some IPs |
| 14:26.05 | huhlig | mixter ok here is the problem... libsunmail-java requires you download javamail... |
| 14:26.07 | abrotman | carbon60: i only have one megaraid card .. it's in an old dell .. the server(at this point) doesn't do anything critical |
| 14:26.11 | huhlig | I download it |
| 14:26.13 | huhlig | it cant seem to decompress it |
| 14:26.25 | rss | moshii: there is a driver for that in the kernel |
| 14:26.25 | huhlig | i have, easily... the script refuses to |
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| 14:26.31 | abrotman | carbon60: if you want .. i can try to install it to see how it works |
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| 14:27.12 | rexh | I've just installed xorg 7.0 from unstable, I had been previously running 7.0 from unstable. Everything seems fine, except for eclipse (debian packages), on startup it errors out with a bad request message from xorg... I've also downloaded 3.2 off of the eclipse site, getting the same results, any ideas? |
| 14:27.13 | Trewas | vin`: if that bug 361689 is yours then according to the last comment you don't have xorg 7.0 installed |
| 14:27.14 | abrotman | carbon60: admittedly .. i'm not sure it supports my controller |
| 14:27.18 | mixter | huhlig: is that in debian? or have you downloaded the package from somwhere else? |
| 14:27.33 | rss | what I see on the web is that, free(as in freedom) applications try to convert the gibberish that the cuecat spews out to actual ISBN/EAN |
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| 14:27.36 | moshii | rss: mm if it works with other distros you should find it works in debian, you might have to build a new kernel or some support software though |
| 14:27.45 | vin` | Trewas: the log headers? |
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| 14:28.02 | rexh | all debian packages |
| 14:28.29 | rss | moshii: there is more about it than plain "works or does not work" ddebate |
| 14:28.32 | carbon60 | abrotman: It works for me, sees the controller. |
| 14:28.48 | carbon60 | abrotman: Thanks for your assistance. |
| 14:28.50 | vin` | Trewas: which comment I meant. |
| 14:29.00 | Trewas | vin`: apt-cache policy stuff, *** at the start of the line marks the package which is installed |
| 14:29.25 | Trewas | vin`: so you seem to have version 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 of xserver-xorg etc |
| 14:29.27 | rss | ok IRC is a bad place to ask that kind of queries... |
| 14:29.31 | abrotman | carbon60: which controller do you have? |
| 14:29.38 | vin` | Trewas: that was after I downgraded to 6.9, read the version table and the aptitude log. |
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| 14:29.39 | abrotman | 0000:01:0d.0 Mass storage controller: American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID 428 Ultra RAID Controller (rev 03) |
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| 14:29.40 | mz_work | looking at upgrading to xorg7 but it wants to remove nvidia-glx, anyone met this issue yet? |
| 14:29.40 | abrotman | is mine |
| 14:29.49 | carbon60 | abrotman: That from dmesg? |
| 14:29.53 | moshii | rss: you asked if it works with Debian, I'm saying if you can find it working somewhere else that's running Linux you have a fairly good chance of getting it running with deb |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | carbon60: lspci |
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| 14:30.07 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 14:30.17 | lkthomas | what port should I open on my nfs server ? |
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| 14:30.26 | abrotman | all of them! |
| 14:30.32 | rss | moshii: Thank you for your time. :) |
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| 14:30.46 | carbon60 | abrotman: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c895 |
| 14:30.47 | ccesario | hello |
| 14:30.58 | moshii | mz_work: I have nvidia-glx packages for xorg7 if you want them |
| 14:31.02 | ccesario | I'm with problem in apache..... (in access_log i see "GET http://n21.login.dcn.yahoo.com/config/login?.redir_from=PROFILES?&.t ........ login.icq.com ... and others connections) Somebody know how to solve this ? please |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | carbon60: yours seems newer than mine :) |
| 14:31.15 | moshii | mz_work: previous version of the nvidia drivers however .. |
| 14:31.18 | carbon60 | heh |
| 14:31.29 | mz_work | moshii: well i'd love to have them :) |
| 14:31.59 | mz_work | using nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8756-2 |
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| 14:32.07 | lkthomas | anyone still alive ? |
| 14:32.07 | mz_work | so should be ok? |
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| 14:32.23 | moshii | mz_work: hmm I built them from the one before |
| 14:32.24 | Trewas | vin`: oh I thought you meant the new xorg 7.0 in sid |
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| 14:32.45 | Trewas | vin`: I guess I should have noticed the dates in the bug report :) |
| 14:33.01 | moshii | mz_work: I'm not sure if the modules for that will work.. I can try patching the new driver, but my nvidia system is a little be screwed with Xgl at the moment ^^ |
| 14:33.03 | delysid25 | is xorg 7 pretty broken right now? i have been reading on usenet about people having issues |
| 14:33.06 | vin` | Trewas: no, haven't tried the one in sid yet, meaning to if a rollback is doable. |
| 14:33.30 | abrotman | carbon60: yeah .. doesn't like mine |
| 14:33.42 | rexh | does anyone else have a problem with unstable xorg 7.0 packages not letting some apps start? It throws errors on eclipse startup preventing anything after the splash screen from displaying |
| 14:33.49 | mz_work | well i don't mind using 1.0.8178-2 0 |
| 14:33.59 | mz_work | if that's what works |
| 14:34.11 | moshii | mz_work: I'll pm you the link .. I have limited bandwidth |
| 14:34.19 | Trewas | vin`: I'd imagine going back from the modular xorg 7.0 to older packaging format used by 6.9 could fuck something up, but you seem to have done it already once :) |
| 14:34.27 | mz_work | moshii: thanks a million :) |
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| 14:34.47 | HPS`Fresh | guys. tell me, who does wright scripts for your bot? |
| 14:34.52 | PSG|Tartiflette | hi |
| 14:34.53 | Trewas | vin`: and you can still get the older xorg 6.9 from testing |
| 14:34.55 | PSG|Tartiflette | Anyone know how add "data" in openldap ? |
| 14:35.01 | abrotman | HPS`Fresh: which bot? |
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| 14:35.07 | PSG|Tartiflette | I have a structur, but i don't success to add data |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | #ldap ? |
| 14:35.29 | moshii | mz_work: I'll update them once my nvidia box is working, so check back later :) |
| 14:35.41 | PSG|Tartiflette | ok, thanks abrotman |
| 14:35.47 | HPS`Fresh | abrotman dpkg |
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| 14:35.55 | mz_work | moshii: will do - thanks again |
| 14:35.56 | abrotman | !tell HPS`Fresh about blootbot |
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| 14:36.01 | ibroadfo | rexh: yes, it's fucked for a few people |
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| 14:36.23 | HPS`Fresh | abrotman thnk U |
| 14:36.24 | huhlig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.28 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:36.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:37.14 | HPS`Fresh | abrotman :) |
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| 14:39.24 | moshii | !banned |
| 14:39.38 | rexh | ibroadfo: I'll report back if I can get a fix, going to remove the xorg-driver-fglrx package I'm using.... it's seems to be fully operational (been using it with the experimental packages for a month without issue). but was meant for ubuntu, even though I'm running with the radeon driver right now |
| 14:39.41 | moshii | hmm thought there would be something for that :/ |
| 14:39.46 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:39.55 | abrotman | that would do what? |
| 14:40.07 | moshii | Tell you what to do if you're banned I suppose |
| 14:40.23 | moshii | which might be pointless should you be banned, heh |
| 14:40.25 | abrotman | moshii: why? |
| 14:40.35 | Ronin | moshii: how about dont get banned in the first place? |
| 14:40.51 | azeem | moshii: there is !banned, but it just records your IP and realname and reports it to the cabal, should you be banned already |
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| 14:41.09 | azeem | while you think it does nothing |
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| 14:41.17 | moshii | ah, nice |
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| 14:41.35 | DaBlade | Hello. This may seem like a stupid question, but I can't find the answer myself. What's the default username and password for new MySQL installations from apt? |
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| 14:41.42 | abrotman | azeem: someone is asking me to get unbanned |
| 14:41.53 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.16 | azeem | abrotman: who? |
| 14:42.17 | Azar | oh |
| 14:42.27 | kspath | ho |
| 14:42.38 | abrotman | azeem: yggwork |
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| 14:43.08 | mz_work | DaBlade: user root no default password |
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| 14:43.19 | DaBlade | mz_work: Thank you |
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| 14:45.19 | johnga1t | i've got a machine w/ two NICs, each on a separate subnet. is there a way (w/o just taking one down) to specify which card traffic should be on? |
| 14:45.37 | DaBlade | johnga1t: Hey! |
| 14:45.45 | DaBlade | johnga1t: Wow, you're here? |
| 14:45.52 | DaBlade | johnga1t: Damn...what a coincidence. |
| 14:46.01 | johnga1t | DaBlade: howdy. unless my memory's really bad, you think i'm johngalt w/ an 'l' ... |
| 14:46.14 | DaBlade | Erm...probably. |
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| 14:46.20 | johnga1t | DaBlade: sorry bout that. |
| 14:46.27 | DaBlade | Never mind, sorry |
| 14:46.39 | johnga1t | DaBlade: no worries. |
| 14:46.45 | DaBlade | I thought you were the same as the one on slyck.com's forums |
| 14:46.45 | pjv | i'm on a 56k dialup and it cuts out every 3-4 hours, i would like to use subversion, but i'm worried if svn is running and the internet cuts out, i would have some corrupted files. this happened to me before with cvs |
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| 14:47.16 | ptlis | pjv, subversion shouldn't do that, theoretically. |
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| 14:47.36 | pjv | ok i will give it a go |
| 14:47.47 | pjv | ty |
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| 14:48.07 | yggwork | thank you. |
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| 14:48.40 | abrotman | yggdrasil: behave this time .. i have a feeling if don bans you again .. it will be permanent :) |
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| 14:49.22 | yggdrasil | yes i will . only business. Im sorry everyone. . Thank you azeem. |
| 14:51.03 | Tebb | can i cut a one big partition (with running system on it) into smaller partitions ? |
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| 14:51.16 | DarkCow | gah |
| 14:51.27 | DarkCow | I'm on sarge |
| 14:51.29 | Kinks | Tebb: you can resize that partition and make new ones |
| 14:51.38 | DarkCow | pretty much the latest |
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| 14:52.03 | jonass | does anyone know to assign a terminal to a specific program without loging? |
| 14:52.24 | DarkCow | and I installed linux-image-2.6.15-2-k7 (IIRC) from backports |
| 14:52.28 | Tebb | Kinks, i can resize it even though there a data on it? |
| 14:52.44 | DarkCow | Tebb, yes |
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| 14:52.45 | Kinks | Tebb: yes, although it's recommended that you back up that data just in case. |
| 14:52.46 | jonass | yes |
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| 14:53.52 | DarkCow | anyway, I'm on 2.6.15, and when I try to boot, I get the following: "Begin: Waiting for root file system..." |
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| 14:54.10 | zztt | just checked out unison... apparently it doesn't work with ftp... I have no choice regarding the server: it's a Windoze machine with an ftp server, can do nothing about that. So what's the best package for two-way _ftp_ based directory synchronisation ? |
| 14:54.13 | DarkCow | then, after a few minutes, it says "Done." |
| 14:54.30 | DarkCow | "ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
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| 14:54.44 | AngelGabriel | How can I check that multicast traffic is being routed correctly around my network? |
| 14:55.31 | aidan | what package has the JDK in it? |
| 14:56.06 | mortal__ | is it possible to "freeze" programs and then continue their execution |
| 14:56.09 | mortal__ | as in to files |
| 14:56.33 | DarkCow | you can ctrl-z them |
| 14:56.41 | abrotman | depends on the kind of program |
| 14:56.46 | DarkCow | and you might be able to use screen |
| 14:57.17 | mortal__ | _files_ |
| 14:57.24 | mortal__ | save the memory and registers and somehow continue |
| 14:57.41 | aidan | mortal__: can we ask why? |
| 14:58.04 | Azar | DarkCow: bootloader damaged? |
| 14:58.11 | DarkCow | nope |
| 14:58.13 | DarkCow | I can boot the old kernel fine |
| 14:58.24 | DarkCow | but I want the new one for various reasons |
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| 14:58.30 | Azar | new kernel's bootloader |
| 14:58.37 | DarkCow | oh |
| 14:58.42 | DarkCow | er |
| 14:58.50 | DarkCow | can you elaborate? |
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| 14:59.15 | Azar | well this is not your first kernel install, right? |
| 14:59.32 | DarkCow | er, no |
| 14:59.55 | DarkCow | but I didn't compile it myself |
| 14:59.57 | Azar | I am using lilo so from there I learned about damaged bootloader with new kernel |
| 15:00.07 | zztt | what's the best package for two-way _ftp_ based directory synchronisation ? |
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| 15:00.38 | Azar | grub will refuse to boot your new kernel, but boots the old one thats what I guess |
| 15:00.54 | sjr_ | Is there any luck getting DRI to work with R300 cards (like Radeon 9700) with opensource drivers? |
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| 15:01.04 | DarkCow | I don't think it's that |
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| 15:01.14 | DarkCow | because it gets quite far |
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| 15:01.29 | mortal__ | aidan: well, if I like it |
| 15:01.56 | DarkCow | I even get a message saying "hda: ExcelStor Technology J880, ATA DISK drive" |
| 15:02.23 | abrotman | coldboot: do you work for xandros? |
| 15:02.26 | DarkCow | and it starts syncing my SATA drives fine |
| 15:02.27 | vin` | DarkCow: are you using initrd? |
| 15:02.28 | EdLin | sjr_: ask ATI to make their specs available |
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| 15:02.38 | coldboot | abrotman: Yeah |
| 15:02.45 | coldboot | abrotman: I'm there right now |
| 15:02.47 | abrotman | they employ people? |
| 15:02.50 | DarkCow | vin`, I'm not quite sure |
| 15:02.52 | sjr_ | EdLin: well, it works for earlier cards, I've heard of support for r300 |
| 15:02.53 | abrotman | coldboot: i figured by your hostmask :) |
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| 15:03.04 | coldboot | abrotman: No, mostly robots and animals, but I'm one of the lucky humans |
| 15:03.07 | abrotman | coldboot: but i wasn't aware they actually employed people |
| 15:03.07 | sjr_ | which would be nice, so I can not use the ATI drivers and therefore not taint my kernel |
| 15:03.11 | DarkCow | I juse installed linux-image-2.6.15 from backports |
| 15:03.17 | DarkCow | just* |
| 15:03.18 | Azar | grub won't tell users if it uses initrd I guess |
| 15:03.31 | coldboot | abrotman: You thought they weren't hiring or something? I don't understand... |
| 15:03.57 | abrotman | coldboot: no .. i thought they had some guy in a garage packaging sid :) |
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| 15:04.07 | vin` | Azar: IYDKDG |
| 15:04.11 | coldboot | abrotman: haha, no there's definitely an office here in Ottawa |
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| 15:04.30 | abrotman | coldboot: is it a 2car office? :) |
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| 15:04.43 | vin` | coldboot: he's fishing for a job, help! |
| 15:04.58 | abrotman | in ottawa? |
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| 15:05.16 | vin` | work from home? |
| 15:05.21 | Ronin | we dont want him up here, lock the border :) |
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| 15:06.30 | coldboot | abrotman: There's about 50 people here at least |
| 15:06.35 | coldboot | vin`: haha |
| 15:06.46 | abrotman | coldboot: heh |
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| 15:06.59 | coldboot | vin`: "Hey boss, I met some guy on irc, as far as I can tell he knows what Xandros is, and he doesn't make too many typos when chatting, think we have something for him?" |
| 15:07.35 | vin` | coldboot: would this help? http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 15:07.42 | tarzeau | better than you meet them on MSN |
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| 15:09.04 | coldboot | abrotman: Holy crap, you're a chatty bitch! =) |
| 15:09.07 | abrotman | vin`: should have showed him 2005 :) |
| 15:09.10 | DarkCow | vin`, might it be something to do with initrd? |
| 15:09.27 | prudhvi | I just dist-upgraded to Sid, and i lost my Desktop. what happed to my desktop ? |
| 15:09.43 | azeem | prudhvi: what is your desktop? |
| 15:09.49 | coldboot | abrotman: Do you live near Ottawa? |
| 15:09.51 | prudhvi | azeem: gnome 2.14 |
| 15:10.01 | azeem | prudhvi: how exactly did you lose it? |
| 15:10.04 | tarzeau | no glfont2.h in debian? |
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| 15:10.19 | azeem | tarzeau: is that a rhetoric question? |
| 15:10.30 | tarzeau | azeem: no i couldn't find it on p.d.o |
| 15:10.41 | azeem | so yes :) |
| 15:11.00 | tarzeau | damn i need that |
| 15:11.13 | prudhvi | azeem: i have dist-upgraded to Sid ( Current ) and i can login fine to my Desktop but the thing is No Icons get displayed and if i open some program say firefox or something it just doesnt open |
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| 15:11.34 | abrotman | coldboot: philly |
| 15:11.46 | tarzeau | oh wait the source itself has it... some borken source |
| 15:11.49 | vin` | DarkCow: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 15:12.11 | coldboot | abrotman: Ah, a bit far away I see. |
| 15:12.13 | heny | why doesn't this work: |
| 15:12.13 | heny | root@henyHost-LAN:~# passwd csturnier2 | passwd cspublic | passwd hlcpublic | passwd dmcpublic | passwd csshero | passwd cswc3ft | passwd cskreedz |
| 15:12.26 | tarzeau | ouf it's c++ (offtopic) but i try it: glfont2.h: In member function 'void glfont::GLFont::GetStringSize(const std::basic_string<T, std::char_traits<_CharT>, std::allocator<_CharT> >&, std::pair<int, int>*)': glfont2.h:145: error: base operand of '->' has non-pointer type 'glfont::GLFont::GLFontChar' |
| 15:12.38 | tarzeau | heny: what do you want to happen? |
| 15:12.38 | coldboot | abrotman: I smoked a joint on Parliament Hill the other day, it's pretty nice up here in Canada. =) |
| 15:12.39 | vin` | coldboot: he'll work off a car. ;) |
| 15:12.46 | prudhvi | azeem: there? |
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| 15:12.52 | heny | tarzeau, change multiple passwords at a time |
| 15:12.53 | azeem | prudhvi: yes? |
| 15:12.54 | tarzeau | heny: passwd doesn't read from stdin |
| 15:13.00 | tarzeau | heny: don't do it like that |
| 15:13.01 | azeem | heny: do you know what | does? |
| 15:13.04 | tarzeau | heny: use mkpasswd |
| 15:13.08 | tarzeau | azeem: no he doesn't |
| 15:13.09 | abrotman | coldboot: bastard! |
| 15:13.22 | prudhvi | azeem: any solution to my Problem ? |
| 15:13.25 | tarzeau | heny: use ; instead of | but it won't happen at a time, only sequentially |
| 15:13.32 | azeem | prudhvi: I don't know |
| 15:13.36 | coldboot | abrotman: You know that Parliament Hill is where our federal government hangs out all day passing bills, right? =) |
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| 15:13.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a new game (if i get it to build) |
| 15:13.43 | heny | tarzeau, sequentially is ok |
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| 15:13.51 | Ronin | coldboot: lucky he knows where canada is ;) |
| 15:13.51 | prudhvi | is there someway i can revert back to my Old Install ? |
| 15:13.51 | tarzeau | heny: and it'll stay interactive |
| 15:13.55 | tarzeau | prudhvi: no |
| 15:14.10 | abrotman | coldboot: yep |
| 15:14.13 | coldboot | Ronin: Haha, yeah, most Americans don't know much about here |
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| 15:14.18 | prudhvi | tarzeau: Now, i cant use my Desktop. so, what should i do now? |
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| 15:14.37 | EdLin | coldboot: it's not a real country anyway. ;-) |
| 15:14.45 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:14.46 | Karat3 | how do i get a creative webcam go to work in debian testing? |
| 15:14.47 | tarzeau | prudhvi: not break it the next time |
| 15:14.50 | tarzeau | and read the sid faq |
| 15:14.52 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:14.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:15.06 | coldboot | EdLin: Yeah yeah, heard that a million times |
| 15:15.07 | tarzeau | Karat3: which one? usb? |
| 15:15.21 | heny | [17:14:24] <tarzeau> heny: and it'll stay interactive <- what does that mean? |
| 15:15.32 | tarzeau | heny: you have to type in new passwords... |
| 15:15.38 | heny | no type? |
| 15:15.42 | EdLin | coldboot: Canadians are almost as smug as Unix computer users - wait, you're both! |
| 15:15.50 | heny | i just did it and it was ok oO |
| 15:15.52 | Karat3 | tarzeau: usb, yes |
| 15:15.52 | vin` | shouldn't a warning prior to upgrade to X7 be in the #topic? |
| 15:15.53 | DarkCow | vin`, I don't remember anything about an initrd in /boot/grub/menu.lst last time I looked |
| 15:16.00 | tarzeau | Karat3: quickcam? |
| 15:16.02 | EdLin | coldboot: ;-) |
| 15:16.09 | tarzeau | Karat3: debian has some qc src package to build modules for it... |
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| 15:16.19 | Karat3 | tarzeau: webcam go i think |
| 15:16.36 | EdLin | coldboot: actually, I wouldn't mind living in Canada. |
| 15:16.39 | coldboot | EdLin: We're pretty smug because our country isn't absurd and completely fucked up. =) |
| 15:16.42 | vin` | DarkCow: grep initrd /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:16.55 | thingfish | coldboot: you tell 'em. |
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| 15:17.07 | PSG|Tartiflette | I don't success to add data in ldap, someone can help me ? (on #ldap nobody answer to my question) ? |
| 15:17.23 | EdLin | coldboot: I don't think the Republicans are going to win the next election, so things could improve. |
| 15:18.06 | Karat3 | tarzeau: hm... i think it is called creative webcam go |
| 15:18.10 | coldboot | EdLin: I don't think it's going to change much either way, there's a culture of dissolving liberty in the US, and it will continue as long as companies influence policy to the degree they do. |
| 15:18.14 | tarzeau | Karat3: i don't know, try it |
| 15:18.16 | EdLin | coldboot: it's too bad that we can't get rid of fucked up parties easily, like Canada does. |
| 15:18.17 | FlimFlamMan | there's no reason to *not* put id_dsa.pub in authorized_keys2 on a foreign server, right? this is the first time i'm going to use it on a server i don't control, so i want to be sure. |
| 15:18.21 | coldboot | EdLin: It certainly will be much better without republicans |
| 15:18.33 | tarzeau | FlimFlamMan: yes |
| 15:18.37 | FlimFlamMan | tarzeau, thanks |
| 15:19.06 | EdLin | coldboot: er, Canada didn't have much in the way of civil liberties until recently. :-) |
| 15:19.15 | DarkCow | vin`, okay, I am using an initrd |
| 15:19.18 | RolandU | are there apt-sources for skype for etch? debian-unofficial seems to only contain packages for sarge. |
| 15:19.21 | Karat3 | tarzeau: ok, how is the pkg called? |
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| 15:19.41 | tarzeau | Karat3: qc src something use apt-cache search |
| 15:20.21 | DarkCow | and the initrd.img is there |
| 15:20.23 | vin` | DarkCow: does the initrd.img file exist? |
| 15:20.28 | DarkCow | yes |
| 15:20.30 | k31th | DarkCow: hello. |
| 15:20.37 | DarkCow | hi |
| 15:20.46 | coldboot | EdLin: What do you mean we didn't have civil liberties until recently? |
| 15:20.55 | EdLin | coldboot: no constitutional rights |
| 15:21.19 | coldboot | EdLin: What are we missing? |
| 15:21.24 | DarkCow | EdLin, having no constitution isn't all that bad |
| 15:21.37 | DarkCow | hrm |
| 15:21.38 | vin` | anarchy! |
| 15:21.39 | DarkCow | okay |
| 15:21.40 | EdLin | coldboot: not much anymore |
| 15:21.53 | DarkCow | I was going to have a punchline in there |
| 15:21.55 | coldboot | EdLin: So uh, where did all the black people go when they were hiding from the US, which was enslaving them? =) |
| 15:22.12 | DarkCow | just so that you know, I hate not having a constitution |
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| 15:23.06 | EdLin | coldboot: well, true, constitutional rights didn't apply to everyone until the 1860s. |
| 15:23.26 | EdLin | coldboot: and there was segregation |
| 15:23.46 | EdLin | brb |
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| 15:27.36 | mngrif | is dpkg's source up anywhere? |
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| 15:27.57 | mngrif | as in, the bot |
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| 15:28.11 | Ronin | mngrif: look up blootbot |
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| 15:28.19 | _Brandon_ | hi i have a problem with gtk apps |
| 15:28.20 | mngrif | i thought that was unmaintained |
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| 15:28.52 | _Brandon_ | for example firefox: The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'. |
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| 15:30.35 | EdLin | _Brandon_: sid is now X11R7, and there's a lot of resulting breakage. |
| 15:30.41 | coldboot | EdLin: You said "not much anymore", but what rights were you talking about that were missing before, but not so much anymore? |
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| 15:30.44 | p3rti | hi.. |
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| 15:31.12 | p3rti | someone have any idea about a link for test different wiki software? or someone recommend one. |
| 15:31.38 | EdLin | coldboot: the equivalent of miranda rights basically |
| 15:31.38 | _Brandon_ | EdLin: yes i know but this happend just with this user |
| 15:32.30 | abrotman | !tell mngrif about blootlbot |
| 15:32.30 | jmp_me | how do i configure X with a touchpad? |
| 15:32.31 | abrotman | !tell mngrif about blootbot |
| 15:32.38 | EdLin | coldboot: and there was no bill of rights. This is history though. |
| 15:32.51 | EdLin | coldboot: I think Canada is a fine country |
| 15:32.56 | konrad127123 | I upgraded to X11R7 and now Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't work anymore. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 15:33.12 | EdLin | coldboot: I hope I haven't offended you, just sniping the Canadian smugness a bit. :-) |
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| 15:33.18 | jengelh | konrad: can you switch using 'chvt 1' in an xterm? |
| 15:33.20 | mngrif | abrotman, thanks, found it already |
| 15:33.28 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:33.37 | DarkCow | vin`, okay, so the initrd's there, the kernel appears to have loaded fine, it finds the SATA drives and puts them into a RAID array, but it doesn't see hda. Any ideas? |
| 15:33.41 | mngrif | abrotman, so the documentation is sparse? the support page of the site is nonexistant |
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| 15:34.48 | coldboot | EdLin: Oh no, I'm just reading about miranda rights |
| 15:35.05 | vin` | DarkCow: haven't fiddled with SATA or RAID, address #debian, someone might know. |
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| 15:35.14 | konrad127123 | jengelh: It says something like "can't obtain the file descriptor pointing to the console" |
| 15:35.17 | coldboot | EdLin: I think those may be technicalities though, we probably have the equivalent, but it would take more knowledge than I have to know these things. |
| 15:35.49 | abrotman | mngrif: gotta be good at perl i guess |
| 15:36.01 | EdLin | coldboot: the Miranda rights are broader than just that however, it caused police interrogation to stop using torture and the like. |
| 15:36.09 | mngrif | abrotman, apparently |
| 15:36.12 | konrad127123 | jengelh: (that was my rough translation) |
| 15:36.32 | DarkCow | as far as I can tell, the RAID isn't the problem |
| 15:36.37 | DarkCow | the RAID is working fine |
| 15:36.37 | vin` | EdLin: do you enjoy that right now? |
| 15:36.42 | coldboot | EdLin: I don't think that even really happens in Canada to begin with... |
| 15:36.45 | EdLin | coldboot: and if the accused chooses, he can have no interrogation. |
| 15:36.57 | EdLin | vin`: I have been arrested, so yes. |
| 15:37.02 | coldboot | EdLin: I wonder why anyone would want to be interrogated then |
| 15:37.05 | jengelh | konrad: You need /dev/tty and /dev/tty0 |
| 15:37.19 | coldboot | EdLin: Ooh, tell us the story |
| 15:37.34 | abrotman | EdLin: do you work for Dept. of homeland security? |
| 15:37.41 | EdLin | coldboot: they think they can outsmart the cops, or believe that helping a police investigation by being questioned is a good idea. |
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| 15:38.15 | EdLin | abrotman: I wish, it probably pays better than what I'm doing now. ;-) |
| 15:38.19 | konrad127123 | jengelh: I have a /dev/tty and a /dev/tty0 file |
| 15:38.27 | vin` | DarkCow: I would just roll my own kernel, YMMV. |
| 15:38.29 | jengelh | konrad: Then I do not know. |
| 15:38.37 | DarkCow | I was just thinking that |
| 15:38.54 | EdLin | coldboot: my lawyer told me that most people end up giving up their miranda rights |
| 15:38.55 | coldboot | EdLin: So really there's nothing in your interest to answering any of their questions, unless you believe that afterwards they won't feel like charging you? |
| 15:50.56 | EdLin | coldboot: there is a purpose, but it should be done with a lawyer present if you know what's good for you. |
| 15:50.56 | Karat3 | my webcam is there with lsusb: Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1046:9967 Winbond Electronics Corp. [hex] W9967CF/W9968CF WebCam IC |
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| 15:50.59 | Karat3 | How can i use it in kopete? it is not available there? |
| 15:50.59 | grendal_prime | why is there 14 disks for sarge? |
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| 15:50.59 | DarkCow | I'd say that they might say in court "He refused to be interrogated. If he's innocent, why would he have something to hide?" |
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| 15:50.59 | grendal_prime | i mean i only have ever downloaded one..the first one..but the other tech is wondering.. |
| 15:50.59 | DarkCow | grendal_prime, because there's a lot of software |
| 15:51.00 | EdLin | DarkCow: that evidence is impermissable in court. |
| 15:51.17 | coldboot | DarkCow: That won't stand up in court |
| 15:52.29 | abrotman | grendal_prime: there are lots of packages |
| 15:53.04 | abrotman | grendal_prime: that's if you want a full CD set instead of just the netinst |
| 15:53.37 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 15:53.37 | DarkCow | what wonderful country you people live in |
| 15:53.37 | yanmorin | Hi, is there a debian-IPT related channel? |
| 15:53.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1469 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8872 MB compressed size. |
| 15:53.37 | DarkCow | england sucks ass |
| 15:53.38 | abrotman | yanmorin: ipt? |
| 15:53.38 | abrotman | or itp ? |
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| 15:53.39 | yanmorin | IP Telephony |
| 15:53.39 | coldboot | DarkCow: Yeah, England is fucked up these days. Big Brother is 12 years late, but he's finally here. |
| 15:53.39 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 15:53.41 | DarkCow | I have a 4 month window in which to secure my freedom |
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| 15:54.10 | coldboot | DarkCow: What's this specifically? |
| 15:54.21 | abrotman | yanmorin: not that i see |
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| 15:54.25 | DarkCow | in a year and a half, I will be able to get a 10-year passport |
| 15:54.25 | a1fa | ~lamemeter |
| 15:56.46 | apt | #debian is 0.321046410218941percentage% lame |
| 15:56.48 | a1fa | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.48 | a1fa | yeah? |
| 15:56.48 | azeem | a1fa: uhm |
| 15:56.48 | a1fa | there you go |
| 15:56.48 | yanmorin | ok will take that as a no... |
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| 15:56.50 | DarkCow | but in 2 years, they make ID cards mandatory with passports |
| 15:56.51 | abrotman | yanmorin: i thought there was a mailing list though |
| 15:56.51 | coldboot | EdLin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_rights -- string search "Canada, equivalent" |
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| 15:56.54 | DarkCow | and they take your fingerprints, iris scan etc |
| 15:56.54 | coldboot | EdLin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Bill_of_Rights |
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| 15:57.29 | abrotman | 1) Canadians citizens have the right to lots and lots of snow |
| 16:08.28 | abrotman | 2) Canadians citizens have the right to lots and lots of poutine |
| 16:08.32 | coldboot | abrotman: ha, yeah, it really is insane |
| 16:08.34 | DarkCow | if I don't get a 10-year passport, I'll have to get an ID card no matter what |
| 16:08.37 | coldboot | abrotman: And poutine is delicious |
| 16:08.44 | abrotman | never had it .. we only have cheesesteaks |
| 16:09.02 | jmp_me | what's the mouseport for touchpads? |
| 16:09.02 | petemc | hmmm, cheesesteaks |
| 16:09.12 | coldboot | abrotman: Your guys' Iced Tea tastes terrible too, it's actually cold tea where it's Lemon Juice here |
| 16:09.39 | EdLin | coldboot: yes, the charter of rights and freedoms - like I said, until recently. Of course, now you guys probably have more civil rights than USAians. |
| 16:09.39 | abrotman | coldboot: depends who makes it .. and which part of the country |
| 16:09.40 | coldboot | EdLin: So recently being 1960 then? |
| 16:09.40 | abrotman | !cheesesteak petemc |
| 16:09.40 | coldboot | abrotman: weird |
| 16:09.40 | yggdrasil_ | poutine ? |
| 16:09.40 | abrotman | !poutine |
| 16:09.41 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine |
| 16:09.43 | coldboot | yggdrasil_: Poutine is french fries with gravy, and melted cheese on top |
| 16:09.43 | coldboot | yggdrasil_: It's so good |
| 16:09.48 | yggdrasil_ | mmm |
| 16:09.59 | abrotman | coldboot: i think in the northeast we have the crappy tea .. but in the south it's different |
| 16:10.01 | EdLin | coldboot: the US has had a bill of rights for over 200 years, Miranda was just an amplification of those rights. |
| 16:10.01 | yggdrasil_ | we have that. chili cheese fries |
| 16:10.04 | abrotman | coldboot: honestly .. i don't drink tea .. so i wouldn't know :) |
| 16:10.04 | grendal_prime | thanks abrotman |
| 16:10.04 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: we do not have poutine |
| 16:10.05 | mngrif | ugh. blootbot requires mysql |
| 16:10.10 | EdLin | coldboot: the charter dates in 1982 I think. |
| 16:10.33 | EdLin | s/in/to |
| 16:10.40 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: if my chili cheese fries ever look like the above picture .. i want my money back |
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| 16:10.52 | grendal_prime | the other tech is dinking around with suse...i told him yesterday i cant help him with it, the tools are two convoluted and the philosophy be hind it is nothing i need to waist any time learning. |
| 16:10.52 | mngrif | coldboot, what kind of gravy? |
| 16:11.20 | grendal_prime | so he is downloading sarge today.. |
| 16:11.20 | coldboot | mngrif: I dunno, what kinds are there? I'll try to remember the poutine I had a couple of days ago... =) |
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| 16:11.23 | abrotman | mngrif: beef gravy i believe |
| 16:11.26 | coldboot | mngrif: Tasted like beef |
| 16:11.32 | yggdrasil_ | grendal_prime . after using a novell server for a while im afraid to see what theyve done with suse |
| 16:11.47 | mngrif | coldboot, here, at least in the southern USA, sausage, beef, turkey |
| 16:11.57 | coldboot | mngrif: Definitely beef gravy |
| 16:12.00 | abrotman | what.. no chicken gravy? |
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| 16:12.06 | mngrif | outside of those, i probably won't eat it |
| 16:12.08 | thingfish | chicken gravy's my favorite. |
| 16:12.08 | mngrif | abrotman, not really all that popular around here. go figure |
| 16:12.10 | coldboot | abrotman: It probably can be chicken gravy, but I don't usually notice what type |
| 16:12.12 | yggdrasil_ | im in the southwest and our food is pretty special compared to alot of places.. pretty healthy |
| 16:12.19 | mngrif | coldboot, color? |
| 16:12.19 | abrotman | coldboot: it's beef gravy afaict |
| 16:17.51 | abrotman | !tell mngrif about poutine |
| 16:17.54 | mngrif | lol |
| 16:17.58 | coldboot | mngrif: It's dark brown |
| 16:18.00 | mngrif | beef |
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| 16:18.08 | mngrif | that sounds moderately nasty, but i'd probably try it being a fan of all three |
| 16:18.11 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: no way .. philly has the most healthy food! |
| 16:18.13 | grendal_prime | yggdrasil_, they have no middle ground on admin tools. you ither use command line tools..(all of wich are nothing like i have seen in any other distro) or run vnc to log into the server and use the front end tools. yast2 has no "findable" config files, and there are no console apps like aptitude |
| 16:18.24 | DarkCow | yast can be run from the command line |
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| 16:18.26 | DarkCow | it has a curses interface |
| 16:18.29 | mngrif | yast is slow. |
| 16:18.31 | DarkCow | agreed |
| 16:18.31 | mngrif | otherwise i'd probably love SuSE |
| 16:18.36 | abrotman | it still uses RPMs |
| 16:18.38 | yggdrasil_ | greandal prime . yea i put it on a few boxes that i donated just cuz it seems to install nicely but. i couldnt figure out what their point was. |
| 16:18.38 | mngrif | the default configs in it are VERY agreeable for me |
| 16:18.39 | DarkCow | there's nothing inherently wrong with RPMs |
| 16:18.39 | yggdrasil_ | abrotman realy or are you being sarcastic? |
| 16:18.43 | grendal_prime | DarkCow, really..well then there is a support problem because nobody can seem to document that in any place he looked. |
| 16:18.49 | DarkCow | you can easily use apt4rpm |
| 16:18.56 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: i don't find southwestern/texmex to be especially healthy .. it also depends what you view as healthy |
| 16:18.59 | yggdrasil_ | if youve ever seen a novell server and dealt with thier retarted novel windows client . you would stay very far away from it. |
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| 16:19.02 | mngrif | DarkCow, RPM-based stuff still has a lot of people going about package dependancies and the lack of handleing |
| 16:19.10 | yggdrasil_ | abrotmen it jus seems very vegetarian . corn beans and beef. |
| 16:19.17 | abrotman | yggdrasil_: yeah .. not everyone agrees beef/chicken are healthy |
| 16:19.23 | yggdrasil_ | yar |
| 16:19.23 | aidan | what package has the JDK in it? |
| 16:19.25 | EdLin | refried beans though are made with lard |
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| 16:19.28 | yggdrasil_ | haha |
| 16:19.28 | abrotman | !tell aidan about install java |
| 16:19.30 | thingfish | EdLin: the best ones are. |
| 16:19.31 | LSorensen | mngrif: many people used to rpm's still think package management can't work :) |
| 16:19.31 | yggdrasil_ | ok |
| 16:19.35 | DarkCow | okay, the package handlers have to be good at working out dependencies, but there's nothing wrong with RPM itself, just like there's nothing great about DEBs |
| 16:19.41 | EdLin | thingfish: yes, there are ones made with vegatable oil, and they suck. |
| 16:19.48 | yggdrasil_ | im hungry thats all i know |
| 16:19.48 | mngrif | LSorensen, so far, the best package management i've seen is gentoo's |
| 16:19.56 | abrotman | no freaking way |
| 16:20.01 | LSorensen | DarkCow: nothing wrong with the rpm format, just with the people making them and not adding correct dependancies. of course debhelper makes it much easioer to get right on debian |
| 16:24.18 | EdLin | glad lunchtime is coming soon, I've had no breakfast and thinking of refried beans is making me hungary. |
| 16:24.23 | LSorensen | mngrif: well if that's all gentoo has going for it, that's not much. |
| 16:24.25 | mngrif | yeah, aptitude is GREAT, mind you, but i just love the ability to have a VERY streamlined console-based package manager |
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| 16:24.43 | LSorensen | mngrif: too much other stuff wrong with gentoo for me to look at it |
| 16:24.43 | abrotman | !gentoosmite mngrif |
| 16:24.47 | jelly | !hungary |
| 16:24.48 | dpkg | i heard hungary is a country in central europe, currently at war with romania, or a land of hungry people! |
| 16:24.52 | mngrif | heh, i don't run gentoo for it's speed |
| 16:24.57 | LSorensen | mngrif: and I never really liked the bsd ports concept. |
| 16:25.03 | mngrif | LSorensen, it was hard to get used to |
| 16:25.09 | grendal_prime | DarkCow, you know what my biggest problem is. Novell is running that show. they are already causeing problems with the ocommunity with XGL. they like to be secritive and the fact that when i talk to other uses they say.."the config files for yast are not known. we dont care it does what we want" that scares me. |
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| 16:25.18 | LSorensen | mngrif: it seemed pointless compared to debian's package handling |
| 16:25.21 | abrotman | i'm not sure how apt-get/aptitude aren't streamlined console-based package managers |
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| 16:25.27 | mngrif | yeah, i don't like having that HD space wasted on the meta-files myself |
| 16:25.31 | DarkCow | grendal_prime, I get the feeling that there are no config files for yast |
| 16:25.33 | grendal_prime | what if novel decides to change things so that Nobody but they know were config files are (sounds like another company i know) and you need to pay for there enterprize edition to get it fixed. |
| 16:25.35 | gutano | one is source based, one is binary packages... they accomplish completely different goals... not really worth a comparison |
| 16:26.02 | DarkCow | do you really think they're going to do that, after creating opensuse? |
| 16:26.03 | yggdrasil_ | grendal i stay far away from it. |
| 16:26.03 | DarkCow | and besides, yast is not suse |
| 16:26.03 | grendal_prime | gento compiles everythign with portage, i wouldnt even call it a package system |
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| 16:26.05 | mngrif | to find the configuration files with yast(2), try running 'lsof | grep yast' while it's running... |
| 16:26.05 | mngrif | lsof needs to be standard gnu-fileutils |
| 16:26.05 | DarkCow | SUSE is a great introduction to linux, and it's led me to the command line very well |
| 16:26.05 | grendal_prime | darkcow. they are already withholding info, and they admit the are haveing a hard time working with the os business models that are abvailable to them. a huge part of there revenue is due to legacy apps that are not opensource. |
| 16:26.15 | FauxFaux | Debian is more lame than that, apt! |
| 16:26.36 | grendal_prime | debians model has been the same since day one as far as i can tell |
| 16:26.38 | mz_work | so X Window System Version 7.0.0 is in, nvidia driver is built fine but damned if i can get my cursor back, i'm stuck w/ the default (ugly small black) cursor |
| 16:26.39 | DarkCow | day 1 was on my first birthday :P |
| 16:26.40 | mngrif | abrotman, what would be the *fastest* way to get a debian router doing at the absolute least, NAT? |
| 16:26.47 | mz_work | update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme does nothing |
| 16:26.47 | yggdrasil_ | grendal prime im amazed they are still in business. i ran thier enterprise solution and it was pretty sad. |
| 16:26.48 | mz_work | well it runs but produces n results |
| 16:26.51 | petemc | mngrif: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 16:31.37 | abrotman | mngrif: a NAT router? or something more complicated? |
| 16:31.38 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 16:31.38 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 16:31.40 | grendal_prime | mngrif, do you know which cards are wich on the machine..(bigesst problem usually) |
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| 16:31.46 | abrotman | mngrif: that package is a braindead way to do like a workgroup NAT router .. if you want more complicated .. you'll have to specify |
| 16:31.46 | mngrif | just a NAT router, it get's it's external IP via DHCP |
| 16:31.49 | grendal_prime | grendal_prime, loves routers |
| 16:31.50 | AngelGabriel | Now that webmin has been removed from debian, is there any suggested replacement? |
| 16:31.50 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: vi |
| 16:31.52 | mngrif | grendal_prime, (nice nick!) i know my hardware |
| 16:32.00 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, I was waiting for the first person to day that |
| 16:32.04 | grendal_prime | heheeh thats kinda cool |
| 16:32.06 | mngrif | :) |
| 16:32.07 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: at least i didn't say emacs :) |
| 16:32.10 | jengelh | grendal: reminds me to think of DCC SEND AAAA* |
| 16:32.10 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 16:32.17 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, But I thought someone would say CLI |
| 16:32.21 | grendal_prime | heeheh |
| 16:32.24 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: many people prefer that method |
| 16:32.30 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:32.30 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:32.42 | mngrif | abrotman, do you have that song?! |
| 16:32.43 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, true, but when it comes to managing 40/50 servers at the same time, webmin can come in handy |
| 16:32.44 | abrotman | mngrif: nope |
| 16:32.45 | mngrif | curses. |
| 16:32.49 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: so can vi :) |
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| 16:33.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: what is the new game ? |
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| 16:33.31 | stew | as the number of machines to manage goes up, my desire to manage them via a web interface would go down dramatically |
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| 16:33.36 | yggdrasil_ | what is moo ? |
| 16:33.36 | yanmorin | oh, i found it |
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| 16:34.18 | AngelGabriel | stew, Manage.... more like monitor, you know for quickly chekcing logs etc |
| 16:34.21 | AngelGabriel | all other operations of course, have to be CLI |
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| 16:39.39 | grendal_prime | by the way for whoever said rpm and apt are the same thing...here is a nice little page that explains the diff quite unobjectively |
| 16:39.40 | grendal_prime | http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/182/ |
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| 16:39.42 | azeem | if at all, rpm and deb or rpm and dpkg are the same thing |
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| 16:39.45 | Solarion | did something go wacky recently? I ran apt-get dist-upgrade and all hell broke loose. |
| 16:39.45 | Solarion | apache2, exim4, and courier-imap-ssl refuse to start |
| 16:39.46 | grendal_prime | right...it points out the diff |
| 16:39.47 | grendal_prime | umm testing? |
| 16:39.51 | Solarion | grendal_prime: yep |
| 16:39.53 | grendal_prime | how do you tell Solarion about testing? |
| 16:39.54 | grendal_prime | !dpkg testing |
| 16:39.55 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 16:40.00 | Solarion | ok; is this current problem a known problem? |
| 16:40.22 | grendal_prime | i know thats a mean sort of response to your question, but even i have to be reminded occationaly |
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| 16:40.54 | grendal_prime | Solarion, sounds like someone may be "testing" something ?? just a guess |
| 16:40.55 | azeem | grendal_prime: huh? |
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| 16:40.56 | grendal_prime | well its what the distro is for |
| 16:41.00 | Solarion | grendal_prime: *sigh* |
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| 16:41.07 | grendal_prime | testing |
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| 16:41.14 | Karat3 | ehm |
| 16:41.14 | azeem | grendal_prime: I think you misunderstood how testing works |
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| 16:41.15 | Solarion | that does not answer my question, the question being "Is this a known problem." |
| 16:41.15 | Karat3 | you who told me about webcam where are you? |
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| 16:41.21 | grendal_prime | azeem, i ran testing for two years |
| 16:41.21 | azeem | Solarion: check the bug tracking system for an answer |
| 16:41.31 | rexh | I've found a workaround to the errors that all the gnome/gtk apps failing to start in xorg 7.0 from unstable setting your cursors to the default x cursur theme stops all the problems I've experienced, see this message to the debian-x mailing list if you use gnome: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/04/msg00758.html, if you use kde set your mouse cursur to the default x cursur in kde control center -- now gtk apps like eclipse, will start |
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| 16:41.35 | rexh | just thought I'd share |
| 16:41.36 | quiet | can anyone give me a hand with this? sarge... X won't start, gives me this: |
| 16:41.36 | quiet | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 16:41.37 | quiet | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.40 | grendal_prime | on a laptop. then one day...testing became etch...i upgraded...whammo..broken stuff |
| 16:41.41 | grendal_prime | everywhere |
| 16:41.48 | grendal_prime | Solarion, what was the base before you distupgraded? |
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| 16:41.54 | Solarion | I'm gonna figure it out anyway. whatevah. |
| 16:41.55 | Karat3 | what is the problem here? (trying to use a creative webcam go): http://pastebin.com/655862 |
| 16:41.55 | RazaMetaL | arghh.. have dist-upgrade on sid and cant loggin .. |
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| 16:41.59 | Solarion | RazaMetaL: yeah; I think I'm sid too. |
| 16:42.00 | Solarion | things seem to be either moved or missing |
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| 16:42.02 | rexh | RazaMetaL: do you use gnome? |
| 16:42.03 | Solarion | reviewing sources.list, I do indeed seem to be. |
| 16:42.06 | grendal_prime | !dmsg sid |
| 16:42.10 | grendal_prime | !dpkg sid |
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| 16:52.08 | azeem | aarkerio: well, d'oh |
| 16:52.25 | ibroadfo | or just hold libtasn at 0.2.17-1 for now? |
| 16:52.56 | aarkerio | I dont have any libtasn, is a new installation |
| 16:53.05 | ChrisBradley | thanks for the help with the xfree-86 server guys |
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| 16:53.31 | Azar | getting ubuntu packages on debian? |
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| 16:53.47 | azeem | aarkerio: rather use snapshot.debian.net then |
| 16:53.52 | tubaman | I can't get sudo from sarge to pass and env var through |
| 16:54.06 | azeem | tubaman: there should be an updaet for that now |
| 16:54.07 | azeem | update |
| 16:54.33 | tubaman | azeem, tried the update, doesn't work... even with env_keep = * |
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| 16:54.55 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 16:55.04 | tubaman | 1.6.8p7-1.4 |
| 16:55.18 | lkthomas | is there have a better solution for locking user into home dir than using chroot / jail ? |
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| 16:55.36 | walts | lunchbox: what permissions are on / ? Traversing directories need the r-x bits |
| 16:55.57 | zappacky | how do i enable 3d hardware acceleration? |
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| 16:56.15 | System- | hey, do you have to have the hard drive already partitioned before starting a net install? |
| 16:56.21 | stew | zappacky: what video card / chipset do you have? |
| 16:56.27 | Madsy | zappacky: Get drivers for your graphic card vendor. |
| 16:56.28 | stew | System-: no |
| 16:56.30 | zappacky | 3dFx Voodoo 3 |
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| 16:56.35 | System- | cool, thanks |
| 16:56.42 | zappacky | and they are already built into kernel |
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| 16:56.57 | azeem | tubaman: did you see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2006/msg00115.html ? |
| 16:57.06 | Madsy | zappacky: Are you using XFree or Xorg? |
| 16:57.25 | zappacky | how to check? |
| 16:57.48 | Madsy | dpkg -l |
| 16:58.17 | zappacky | apparently both |
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| 16:58.20 | Madsy | If you allready have the drivers compiled into the kernel, you should only need to configure X. |
| 16:58.30 | System- | another question can rawrite2 burn img's if they have a - in them? |
| 16:58.52 | tubaman | azeem, yes but env_keep = * and env_check=* don't work |
| 16:58.54 | tiocseti | get the drivers from apt repository |
| 16:58.55 | Madsy | zappacky: Your X configfile is probably /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 16:59.43 | EdLin | Madsy: don't tell him to hand-edit the configuration file, he should use dpkg-configure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:59.50 | EdLin | s/conf/reconf/ |
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| 17:00.22 | zappacky | Madsy, what am I looking for in this? |
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| 17:00.52 | EdLin | zappacky: hand editing the configuration file can mess things up, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:01.17 | EdLin | (or xserver-xorg if you're using Xorg) |
| 17:01.20 | Madsy | EdLin: He ask how to check wheter he had X.org or the old XFree. |
| 17:01.57 | EdLin | Madsy: he's basically asking how to get his 3dfx card to work |
| 17:03.04 | Solarion | frelling |
| 17:03.12 | Solarion | can't even find the old packages to install |
| 17:03.33 | zappacky | framebuffer interface on or off? |
| 17:03.41 | EdLin | Madsy: besides, if he upgraded, he will have the old configuration file around |
| 17:03.54 | EdLin | zappacky: try off first |
| 17:04.37 | Madsy | Sorry then. My mistake. |
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| 17:05.57 | zappacky | what modules should i enable? |
| 17:06.15 | EdLin | zappacky: on 3dFX, I'd think all but xtt |
| 17:06.28 | zappacky | i dont have xtt |
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| 17:06.52 | simonrvn | enable freetype (Load "freetype") |
| 17:07.39 | EdLin | zappacky: if you want 3D acceleration on all but nvidia, you'll need dri. Among other things. |
| 17:08.00 | zimm2_ | does anyone know which modules i need for the tv card in a toshiba qosmio ? i feel like ive been going round in circles for days .. even built the ivtv driver .. which loads .. but still no /dev/video0, or working config .. |
| 17:08.43 | simonrvn | zimm2_: it'll come up only if udev is there and running (/dev/video0) |
| 17:08.53 | stew | zimm2_: look at what goes into dmesg when you load ivtv |
| 17:08.57 | zimm2_ | simonrvn, udev is all fine afaik |
| 17:09.01 | stew | zimm2_: your card might require firmware |
| 17:09.06 | uros_ | what are the benefits of monolit kernel? |
| 17:09.10 | zimm2_ | stew, hmm .. |
| 17:09.14 | abrotman | is there a kernel boot parameter to blacklist a module? |
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| 17:09.21 | zappacky | xlibmesa-gli is installed and enabled |
| 17:09.30 | zimm2_ | stew, ivtv seems to load ok\ , according to dmesg .. :( |
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| 17:09.38 | EdLin | uros_: don't |
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| 17:09.50 | digijohn | Hi; is there a way I can hibernate my laptop without compiling stuff into the kernel? |
| 17:09.55 | simonrvn | uros_: linux is a monolithic kernel. what's your question? |
| 17:09.59 | stew | uros_: there are (often negligible) security benefits of not allowing kernel modules to be loaded, but it means you must not have any kernel modules at all |
| 17:10.27 | System- | hey, im having problems with the cd-drivers.img and net-drivers.img floppy files, it says they are not image files |
| 17:10.32 | System- | any idea why? |
| 17:10.40 | shaynes | Can anybody suggest a writeup that goes over the installation of Mono under a stable Sarge production box? (Without moving to unstable) |
| 17:11.02 | uros_ | stew, so security benefits |
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| 17:11.32 | m0hs|n | too |
| 17:11.34 | System- | is it possible to use the cd-driver floppy from the ia64 installer with the boot floppy of the i386 installer? |
| 17:11.48 | valdyn | System-: no |
| 17:12.00 | EdLin | System-: IA32 is Itanium |
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| 17:12.07 | EdLin | System-: IA64* |
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| 17:12.24 | System- | well what do i do if the i386 floppy image doesnt work? |
| 17:12.55 | System- | the boot.ing does, the root.img was ok too, but the net-drivers and cd-drivers ones wont write |
| 17:12.58 | EdLin | System-: try booting random architectures |
| 17:12.59 | System- | *img |
| 17:13.31 | walts | valdyn: did you see my error messages? |
| 17:13.35 | EdLin | System-: perhaps one of them will work if you teach your 386 how to speak Alpha |
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| 17:13.46 | zappacky | brb. gonna test |
| 17:13.47 | System- | how i do that? |
| 17:13.59 | digijohn | System-: Sounds like a joke to me. |
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| 17:14.28 | EdLin | System-: as usual, SDNWOTN (Sarcasm does not work on the net). Of course IA64 doesn't work, it's not your CPU! |
| 17:15.00 | System- | im using the i386? |
| 17:15.21 | shaynes | Anyone familiar with Mono under Debian? |
| 17:15.25 | System- | ok, look, i downloaded from: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 17:15.36 | EdLin | System-: from what you've described I assume so |
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| 17:15.41 | giacus | hello |
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| 17:15.58 | System- | the boot one works, the cd-drivers and net-drivers wont write because rawrite and magiciso doesnt think they are images |
| 17:16.07 | giacus | does anyone know an url to update apt-spy list ? |
| 17:16.14 | System- | u try and write it to a floppy disk |
| 17:16.20 | EdLin | !u |
| 17:16.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:17.32 | digijohn | So, nobody on the laptop suspend? |
| 17:17.48 | valdyn | walts: now i did, there's some way to fool the ati driver into having found a supported card, dont know which that is atm |
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| 17:18.05 | Shadowcat | digijohn: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:18.18 | vin` | giacus: apt-spy update |
| 17:18.25 | digijohn | Shad0wcat: Suspend/hibernate my laptop without having to compile the kernel. |
| 17:18.32 | Shadowcat | not possible |
| 17:18.35 | Shadowcat | go recompile |
| 17:18.40 | digijohn | Shad0wcat: Too lazy. |
| 17:18.42 | giacus | vin`: thanks |
| 17:18.50 | Shadowcat | digijohn: then you're not gonna get suspend working |
| 17:18.53 | Shadowcat | it's as simple as that |
| 17:18.55 | digijohn | Shad0wcat: Okay. |
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| 17:19.22 | digijohn | That's what I needed to know. Maybe some other time I'll feel in the mood to fight a kernel compile again on this PII, but until then, I'll go without. |
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| 17:19.32 | Shadowcat | yawn |
| 17:19.35 | Shadowcat | compiling a kernel isn't hard |
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| 17:19.41 | Shadowcat | I could get it done in under 30 min on a PIII |
| 17:19.43 | digijohn | It's not hard, just annoyingly long. |
| 17:19.56 | Shadowcat | well ya, if you compile everything under the sun into it |
| 17:20.10 | valdyn | walts: but.. i dont know your card, its name just looks like a rage 128, driver would be r128 methinks, have your tried that driver? |
| 17:20.14 | digijohn | I'll fiddle around with the config sometime when I feel like it and have the time. |
| 17:20.15 | Shadowcat | you could use distcc you know |
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| 17:20.28 | EdLin | digijohn: I first compiled a 0.95 kernel on a 386sx-16 with 4 megs RAM. Took nearly 2 days, and the kernel was lots smaller then. :-) |
| 17:20.32 | ibroadfo | Solarion: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/11/14/debian/pool/main/libt/libtasn1-2/ |
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| 17:20.54 | Shadowcat | EdLin: 4mb of ram in those days was a hell of a lot of memory |
| 17:20.58 | walts | valdyn: yes, that's the driver that xorg picks |
| 17:21.01 | Shadowcat | if I recall correctly |
| 17:21.01 | digijohn | EdLin: Back in my RH 6.2 days, I spent over 3 days compiling a kernel on my 486... |
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| 17:21.27 | valdyn | walts: your error looks like the ati driver was picked |
| 17:21.30 | EdLin | Shadowcat: it came with 2 megs and I fully populated the motherboard with 4 for about $50 |
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| 17:22.05 | walts | valdyn: the ati driver is a wrapper that picks the r128 driver for my card (Expert@Play) |
| 17:22.23 | Nazxul | Someone said to a friend of mine a while back, "I honestly don't see why anyone would ever need more than 4 megs of RAM." |
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| 17:22.49 | Shadowcat | EdLin: my PII 450 had 128mb of ram back in 1997 |
| 17:22.54 | Shadowcat | I could basically do anything I wanted |
| 17:23.12 | Shadowcat | this was when budget boxes were still shipping with 32mb |
| 17:23.15 | Shadowcat | some even 16 |
| 17:23.22 | EdLin | my Apple II had 128k of RAM, but it couldn't run Linux |
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| 17:23.38 | EdLin | I had a 16MB 486DX2-66 |
| 17:23.51 | Shadowcat | I usually skip a generation of chips |
| 17:23.59 | Shadowcat | we went from 486 directly to PII |
| 17:24.05 | Shadowcat | and from PII directly to the P4 |
| 17:24.06 | Shadowcat | etc |
| 17:24.09 | Nazxul | I'm still running a PIII. ;) |
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| 17:24.23 | Shadowcat | my gateway is a PIII |
| 17:24.33 | Nazxul | Well, my game computer is a P4, but I rarely use it anymore. |
| 17:24.46 | Nazxul | RAM fried on it, so no more WoW. |
| 17:24.47 | Shadowcat | Nazxul: so set it up for seti |
| 17:24.52 | Shadowcat | damn |
| 17:25.01 | d0uglas | i'm trying to find a program or script that will resolve ips in my access_log, to no avail |
| 17:25.07 | Nazxul | Well, I ran Seti on this thing, and it did pretty well. |
| 17:25.11 | Nazxul | It's a dual 1GHz. |
| 17:25.47 | `Slay` | have a asus a3e installing ? |
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| 17:26.17 | Solarion | ibroadfo: full of awesome. :) |
| 17:26.22 | Solarion | thanks a million, dude. |
| 17:26.53 | d0uglas | ibroadfo: any idea where i can score this? |
| 17:27.08 | jmp_me | d0uglas: google for bash scripting |
| 17:27.29 | Solarion | d0uglas: I used grep and nslookup/host |
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| 17:28.02 | d0uglas | Solarion: do you remember the command you typed or did you write a script |
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| 17:28.33 | Solarion | d0uglas: it ended up being a script. Just basic unix commandline utilities |
| 17:28.51 | stormrider79 | does anyone know if it is possible to use a dialup modem with qemu? |
| 17:29.06 | Solarion | awk, sort, uniq, nslookup, and bash scripting basics. |
| 17:29.11 | Klohunt | Does anyone know what parameters to use when selecting the Nvidia Nforce driver "forcedeth" while installing debian? |
| 17:29.17 | Klohunt | because it says it "Failed to load" |
| 17:29.21 | d0uglas | my problem is my skill level ain't near writing scripts for something like this :-( |
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| 17:29.30 | Solarion | you don't *need* sort and uniq, but it's highly recommended. |
| 17:29.46 | Solarion | I basically put together a table of IP addresses |
| 17:30.27 | Solarion | I should donate more money to the debian project. :) |
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| 17:31.53 | d0uglas | oo got something called webazolver with webalizer |
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| 17:32.57 | Klohunt | Is anyone familiar with the ethernet driver for Nforce cards, forcedeth.c? |
| 17:33.02 | walts | How can I go back to 3.1/stable from 3.1/unstable? |
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| 17:33.15 | azeem | walts: you cannot |
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| 17:33.47 | Ronin | walts: reinstall im afraid |
| 17:33.50 | grml-user | is there a way to automatically install the *recommended* packages with apt-get install? |
| 17:35.37 | FlimFlamMan | "recommended"? |
| 17:35.49 | zimm2_ | whats really bugging me is that i KNOW the card works under linux, as the embedded media player, digitaltv dvd-playback etc .. IS linux !! .. grr |
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| 17:35.58 | ibroadfo | pft: aptitude does so, iirc |
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| 17:36.28 | pft | FlimFlamMan: when one does apt-get install foo, apt-get will noticfy you of recommended (ie not necessary, but handy packages) |
| 17:36.31 | Garp | Hi. |
| 17:36.39 | zimm2_ | pft, ? |
| 17:36.55 | ft | pft: aptitude has an option for that; and it's the recommended tool anyway |
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| 17:37.30 | heny | how can i change this msg? |
| 17:37.30 | heny | [19:37:38] <myTB|bassiiii> ^^ |
| 17:37.36 | heny | Last login: Wed Apr 12 17:05:33 2006 from windoof |
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| 17:37.39 | FlimFlamMan | pft, ah |
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| 17:38.03 | pft | ft: thanx, I wil try that out |
| 17:38.04 | Garp | Question: Since last upgrade (on testing) my firefox display strange ligatures between characters. Eg, all 'st' characters sequences get some link between the s and the t at the top (looks like really old fashion writing). It makes things hard to read... Is that normal? Is that avopidable? Thanks. |
| 17:38.10 | fantomas | Hi. I mount ntfs partition but can't write there. What do I need to get it mounted RW? |
| 17:38.32 | yggdrasil_ | theres not writing to ntfs unfortunately |
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| 17:38.49 | yggdrasil_ | no instead of not |
| 17:39.07 | Garp | fantomas: if you're on ix86, you can use some wrapping around teh windows driver... |
| 17:39.30 | Garp | fantomas: it does exists (cant remember the name). It allow full read and write |
| 17:40.03 | thingfish | there's something called captive-ntfs |
| 17:40.03 | Garp | fantomas: of course, you have to have access to the windows binaries and be on, a compatible platform |
| 17:40.15 | thingfish | but I don't think too many people trust captive-ntfs. |
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| 17:40.17 | yggdrasil_ | yea i should have said no easy way to do it. |
| 17:40.34 | ibroadfo | there is ntfs rw support in recent 2.6 kernels |
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| 17:40.53 | Garp | ntfs specs are open... who want to code it? |
| 17:41.05 | yggdrasil_ | why it hasnt happend yet i have no idea. |
| 17:41.07 | kspath | how open? |
| 17:41.10 | fantomas | ibroadfo: I'm on 2.6.15.5 now |
| 17:41.33 | Garp | kspath: I mean public, afaik, you can have full access to the description of thisformat |
| 17:41.40 | kspath | Garp: Will M$ file suit on something that works well and allows any linux/BSD/unix to user ntfs perfectly? |
| 17:41.54 | fantomas | Garp: I think the reason - nobody wants to code shit |
| 17:41.55 | fantomas | :) |
| 17:41.58 | kspath | -user +use |
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| 17:42.05 | Garp | kspath: maybe, through some software patents |
| 17:42.11 | ibroadfo | fantomas: compile with CONFIG_NTFS_RW=Y then |
| 17:42.48 | Garp | fantomas: it's pretty complex, as far as I heard... Lots of tables have to be wrote in sync on a write access, to keep some index and whatever coherent |
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| 17:42.54 | yggdrasil_ | it might trash your ntfs partition btw |
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| 17:42.58 | Solarion | still cannot authenticate to the courier imaps server |
| 17:43.01 | fantomas | ibroadfo: I did. I just realized the limited nature of this option: I can't create directories |
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| 17:43.34 | yggdrasil_ | hmm intersting |
| 17:43.47 | yggdrasil_ | thought linux was supposed to be awesome at everything. |
| 17:45.00 | Solarion | there we go. had to un- and re-install the courier system |
| 17:45.06 | Solarion | ibroadfo: dude, you are awesome. |
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| 17:45.18 | Solarion | thanks a tonne for the help. Things seem to be working now. |
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| 17:45.36 | yggdrasil_ | a metric ton or us standard ? |
| 17:45.47 | d0uglas | Solarion: when running webazolver to resolve ips i need to specify a dns cache file. Do I just make up a name? |
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| 17:45.58 | Solarion | d0uglas: I've no idea. |
| 17:46.08 | zimm2_ | ok, done some digging, it appears there are NO drivers available, even though they exist.. toshiba are keeping them to themselves .. gits !! |
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| 17:46.29 | Sonny | Hello, Does apt-wtch just download the upgrades? or it also install them |
| 17:46.30 | yggdrasil_ | zimm2 you trying to use a laptop ? |
| 17:46.30 | Garp | yggdrasil_: do they still use feets, inches, half-dick-hair and such fancy units in the us ? |
| 17:46.34 | yggdrasil_ | haha |
| 17:46.35 | yggdrasil_ | yes |
| 17:46.45 | roler | in my gnome screen resolution panel, I see the various resolutions that my laptop supports. I know they work because when I set them to be default in xorg.conf, I have no problems. But when I try changing them with the gnome utility, nothing happens |
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| 17:46.59 | zimm2_ | yggdrasil_, yup, toshiba qosmio f20-137 .. |
| 17:47.01 | yggdrasil_ | unfortunately. we got the metric system once for a week and played with it like a child playing a toy drum set. then forgot abou t it. |
| 17:47.17 | Garp | impressive they can achieve such high technical and scientific level... |
| 17:47.19 | yggdrasil_ | what kind of driver? |
| 17:47.33 | valdyn | roler: that is just a frontend to randr, try 'xrandr' in a shell |
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| 17:47.47 | Garp | yggdrasil_ : and sometimes one crash a satelite on Mars ? ;) |
| 17:47.52 | yggdrasil_ | har har |
| 17:48.07 | yggdrasil_ | yea i have a hard tiem doing graphics stuff in american |
| 17:48.14 | flow | hey, runyaga, are you still into supybot development? |
| 17:48.17 | yggdrasil_ | makes for some extra carrying of ones andstuff |
| 17:48.18 | abrotman | Garp: that was .uk |
| 17:48.32 | yggdrasil_ | zimm2_ which drivers you having a hard time wiht. |
| 17:48.50 | Garp | yggdrasil_ : could you tell me what is the coefiscient to add to E=mc² if putting m in pound, c in mph and E in whatever you use... |
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| 17:49.09 | Garp | abrotman: a mix between us and uk, if I remember well ;) |
| 17:49.18 | roler | valdyn, ; i see my supported resolutions there |
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| 17:49.19 | Garp | abrotman: but uk used miles, yes |
| 17:49.21 | abrotman | Beagle? .. afaik .. purely .uk technology |
| 17:49.27 | roler | valdyn, ; but I don't know how to change it with this utility |
| 17:49.38 | menegg | hi, has anyone managed to get 3d accel on xorg7 with ati's driver? |
| 17:49.38 | valdyn | roler: xrandr --help |
| 17:49.44 | yggdrasil_ | garp, intersting i dont know that it owuld acutlay matter. |
| 17:49.53 | yggdrasil_ | try it. |
| 17:50.02 | valdyn | menegg: does atis driver support the new directory layout of xorg7? |
| 17:50.07 | zimm2_ | yggdrasil_, for the tv card.. the qosmio has an ëmbedded"mediaplayer, which IS linux, (boots into tv/dvd inside 10 secs.. no need for windows), so i know the card CAN work with linux , but they seem to have kept the details somewhat private |
| 17:50.12 | Garp | yggdrasil_: if you have a non coherent unit system, doing physics is a nightmare |
| 17:50.29 | menegg | valdyn: i dont know |
| 17:50.35 | yggdrasil_ | zimm2_ yea i see what yoru sayin |
| 17:50.35 | flow | runyaga I would be especially interested in hearing wether the quakenet plugin will become available for the newest supybot anytime soon |
| 17:50.42 | strider | menegg: I got it when it first came to experimental. |
| 17:50.46 | valdyn | menegg: guess not. |
| 17:50.58 | abrotman | there is no ATI driver at ati.com for 6.9/7.0 |
| 17:51.08 | yggdrasil_ | garp . im sure id screw it up no matter what units it was in |
| 17:51.13 | valdyn | menegg: look which files it installed and look at the new directory layout of xorg7 ( /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ etc ) |
| 17:51.18 | menegg | basically, i dont find the "glxinfo" bin |
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| 17:51.32 | valdyn | menegg: so install it |
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| 17:51.42 | Garp | yggdrasil_ :) so.. for the coeficient? (btw what does US use for energy as a unit?) |
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| 17:51.54 | yggdrasil_ | i think newtons as well |
| 17:51.56 | Ronin | Garp: the dollar sign ;) |
| 17:51.57 | ccamacho | cal |
| 17:52.00 | kspath | Garp: Do you know physics? Do you know that m is not pounds but slugs? |
| 17:52.01 | ccamacho | calories |
| 17:52.05 | yggdrasil_ | oh yea |
| 17:52.06 | yggdrasil_ | haha |
| 17:52.10 | valdyn | !find usr/bin/glxinfo |
| 17:52.12 | yggdrasil_ | i realy suck at this sort of stuff |
| 17:52.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/bin/glxinfo' returned no results. |
| 17:52.35 | strider | menegg: There are 2 options. Either do it manually,, or use --buildpkg with the ATI installer and build packages for Dapper |
| 17:52.39 | yggdrasil_ | zimm2_ do you know what kind of hardware that thing is ? |
| 17:52.46 | Garp | ccamacho: good luck ;) E in calories, m in pound and c in mph ;) |
| 17:52.47 | abrotman | !find bin/glxinfo |
| 17:52.51 | menegg | strider: i did make packaged for dapper |
| 17:52.54 | valdyn | !info mesa-utils |
| 17:52.56 | menegg | s/packages |
| 17:52.56 | strider | mesa-utils |
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| 17:52.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/glxinfo' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/glxinfo) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 17:53.01 | dpkg | mesa-utils: (Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 17:53.02 | abrotman | oh . is glxinfo still in sid now? |
| 17:53.02 | Laibsch | is udev or hotplug preferable? |
| 17:53.10 | kspath | Garp: m is not pounds m is slugs |
| 17:53.16 | yggdrasil_ | i have a porsche if that makes any difference. |
| 17:53.21 | strider | menegg: those work then |
| 17:53.23 | zimm2_ | yggdrasil_, all i know is that lspci mentions conexant .. have tried loading all the modules availiable with 2.6.15, no luck .. |
| 17:53.24 | menegg | also, alt+ctr+Fx won't go to console |
| 17:53.26 | valdyn | abrotman: dpkg is broken or something |
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| 17:53.31 | abrotman | valdyn: why doy ousay that? |
| 17:53.34 | Garp | kspath: OK, i dunno the slugs |
| 17:53.38 | abrotman | valdyn: seems ok to me ... |
| 17:53.39 | ccamacho | what is the better way to get back a package after do an upgrade? |
| 17:53.44 | yggdrasil_ | zimm2 did you load them as modules or compiled into the kernel ? |
| 17:53.48 | yggdrasil_ | zimm2_ pm |
| 17:53.49 | abrotman | valdyn: or are you saying he's out of date? |
| 17:53.54 | valdyn | abrotman: yes |
| 17:53.59 | valdyn | !info mesa-utils sid |
| 17:54.01 | Garp | kspath: how do yiou define it? |
| 17:54.03 | dpkg | mesa-utils: (Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 17:54.10 | menegg | strider: (II) fglrx(0): Acceleration enabled and glxinfo reports "accel no" |
| 17:54.10 | abrotman | is there not supposed to be mesa-utils in sid ? |
| 17:54.14 | zimm2_ | yggdrasil_, loaded as mods, standard debian kernel package .. |
| 17:54.19 | kspath | Garp: slug is a unit of mass pounds is weight |
| 17:54.22 | yggdrasil_ | mhmm.. |
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| 17:54.30 | valdyn | abrotman: just that package puts glxinfo into /usr/bin/ |
| 17:54.35 | kspath | Garp: It is not up to me to define it. It is already defined. |
| 17:54.46 | abrotman | valdyn: packages.debian.org isn't much help :) |
| 17:54.49 | yggdrasil_ | pastebin you lspci ? |
| 17:55.02 | abrotman | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=glxinfo&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 17:55.07 | EdLin | kspath: also you'll need to use furlongs per fortnight |
| 17:55.09 | abrotman | valdyn: dpkg is matching p.d.o |
| 17:55.14 | strider | mentor: use LIBGL_DEBUG=VERBOSE glxinfo to find out more |
| 17:55.23 | abrotman | valdyn: oh .. i think i see |
| 17:55.28 | abrotman | valdyn: The used contents file was last updated Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:24:59 +0000 |
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| 17:55.34 | abrotman | valdyn: from that webpage |
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| 17:55.44 | abrotman | jvw: is packages.d.o not updating ? |
| 17:55.46 | valdyn | abrotman: yea, mesa-utils Replaces: xbase-clients (<< 6.8.2-38) |
| 17:56.00 | zimm2_ | yggdrasil_, 0000:02:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant: Unknown device 5b7a ... and thats all i have to go on .. :( |
| 17:56.02 | kspath | EdLin: I am trying to explain basic units to Garp regarding physics because incorrect/invalid information was being spread. |
| 17:56.14 | Garp | kspath: well, escaping by atempting to create a coherent set of units? slugs being caloires upon mph^2? |
| 17:56.20 | jvw | abrotman: can't tell, still lacking some required access |
| 17:56.33 | yggdrasil_ | zim2_ and its a video capture card ? |
| 17:56.38 | abrotman | jvw: "The used contents file was last updated Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:24:59 +0000" ... does that imply it's out of date? |
| 17:56.42 | valdyn | meneg: you need to fix the places where your fglrx_drv.o and maybe some more fglrx files are |
| 17:56.43 | meneg | can someone add in the topic "if you don't know the correct answer, stfu"? |
| 17:56.50 | meneg | valdyn: k |
| 17:56.57 | jvw | abrotman: no, because the contents files are not all updated every day |
| 17:57.04 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 17:57.10 | valdyn | meneg: for example /usr/X11R6/lib/modules should now be /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ |
| 17:57.12 | kspath | Garp: Are you confused? Have you know idea of physics and/or units? |
| 17:57.14 | Garp | abrotman: see "Mars Climate Orbiter": pure NASA |
| 17:57.22 | abrotman | Garp: i was referring to Beagle |
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| 17:57.49 | meneg | valdyn: even if using ubuntu autogened packs? |
| 17:57.51 | Garp | abrotman: yes, but it's "Mars Climate Orbiter" that crashed because some took km for miles... |
| 17:57.56 | zimm2_ | yggdrasil_, yup |
| 17:58.13 | ccamacho | how can I get back a package after do an upgrade? |
| 17:58.19 | kspath | Garp: If you want to learn about basic English units in physics just use google or other resources. |
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| 17:58.24 | ccamacho | what is the better way to do it? |
| 17:58.24 | valdyn | meneg: i cant help you with ubuntu, but i doubt any fglrx package is already updated to fit to debians new xorg7 |
| 17:58.24 | Garp | kspath: not confused, but I dont know the slug ;) |
| 17:58.37 | abrotman | Garp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_2 |
| 17:58.43 | ccamacho | no |
| 17:58.47 | valdyn | meneg: any path containing X11R7 is wrong now ) |
| 17:58.56 | ccamacho | fglrx crash in X 7.0 |
| 17:58.57 | meneg | i dont use ubuntu, someone here told me to use ubuntu autogen packs from ati's installer. |
| 17:58.58 | valdyn | meneg: err, X11R7 |
| 17:58.59 | jvw | abrotman: rather, each of them is updated roughly every week |
| 17:59.01 | valdyn | meneg: err, X11R6* |
| 17:59.06 | meneg | ye |
| 17:59.08 | Garp | kspath: hummm, looked for 'slug' disnt found anything usefuyk |
| 17:59.13 | meneg | also the synaptics driver has the problem |
| 17:59.18 | abrotman | Garp: it does'nt mention why it crashed .. so you may indeed be correct |
| 17:59.19 | meneg | its module is in X11R6 |
| 17:59.30 | abrotman | jvw: ok ... thanks |
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| 17:59.36 | valdyn | meneg: all external X drivers have this problem |
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| 17:59.44 | ccamacho | HOW TO DO IT? |
| 17:59.49 | meneg | valdyn: if i just move the modules there it'll work? |
| 17:59.52 | kspath | Garp: as long as you can remember pound is weight and not mass you are one step closer to knowledge. |
| 17:59.55 | meneg | (or fix the debs) |
| 17:59.56 | valdyn | meneg: nvidia-glx is fixed ( but that didnt propagate to sid yet ) |
| 17:59.56 | Garp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter |
| 18:00.05 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody knows some software in linux that is just a simple dialer, to make phone calls using microphone and phones in a pc with a modem connected in the phone's line ? |
| 18:00.07 | valdyn | meneg: that's what i did |
| 18:00.12 | meneg | k |
| 18:00.12 | Garp | kspath: pound is a force, not a mass? |
| 18:00.35 | Garp | kspath: see "the metric mixup" |
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| 18:00.48 | strider | meneg: The dapper buildpkg worked for me. There was no Synaptics driver however last time I used it. |
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| 18:01.08 | EdLin | Garp: if you don't know the difference between weight and mass you have no right to question the competence of American physics know-how |
| 18:01.08 | ccamacho | Garp, check Resnick et al, |
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| 18:01.13 | meneg | that made debs for me with X11R6 in them |
| 18:01.14 | stew | baroni: you are looking for vgetty, but realize that not many modems support that kind of thing |
| 18:01.16 | dfd | hello |
| 18:01.18 | ccamacho | is a physics book |
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| 18:01.31 | dfd | hello |
| 18:01.35 | Garp | EdLin: and you too. |
| 18:01.43 | baroni | stew: yeah, something like that! |
| 18:01.43 | meneg | ah no, wait, they are correct |
| 18:01.45 | dfd | how can I downgrade from unstable to testing? |
| 18:01.47 | kspath | Garp: perhaps the mixup is a lack of understanding of basic physics and units. |
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| 18:01.52 | Garp | EdLin: so, pound is a unit of force? |
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| 18:02.03 | baroni | stew: I'm with a us-robotics pci hardmodem |
| 18:02.03 | EdLin | Garp: I never did, I just said "furlongs per fortnight" as a joke |
| 18:02.06 | ccamacho | cand be |
| 18:02.07 | Garp | kspath: just units, (for the satellite) |
| 18:02.10 | ccamacho | can be |
| 18:02.18 | baroni | stew: do you know if there is some other program to do that? |
| 18:02.21 | ccamacho | lbf or just lb |
| 18:02.24 | baroni | (graphical one?) |
| 18:02.34 | Garp | ccamacho: same for kgf (dont use it). |
| 18:02.35 | dfd | how can I downgrade from unstable to testing? |
| 18:02.36 | kspath | Garp: Are you aware of the force of gravity? |
| 18:02.43 | Garp | kspath: maybe. |
| 18:02.51 | Garp | kspath: and? |
| 18:02.52 | ccamacho | just do a simple dimensional analysis |
| 18:03.10 | Garp | ccamacho: yes, and ? |
| 18:03.25 | tuvwx | how do i know from where i am downloading a file (http download)? (from server or cache, and what is the cache's address) |
| 18:03.27 | kspath | Garp: If you "weigh" 100kg on Earth how much to you "weigh" on Mars? |
| 18:03.28 | meneg | weird, why would it say "direct rendering enabled" on the log and be disabled according to glxinfo and programs? |
| 18:03.31 | ccamacho | nobody use kgf, but some peple still use lbf |
| 18:03.39 | stew | baroni: some program that does what vgetty does that isn't vgetty? |
| 18:03.44 | Garp | kspath: you cant weight in a mass unit. |
| 18:03.47 | dfd | how can I downgrade from unstable to testing? |
| 18:03.50 | vin` | dfd: it is bound to break badly, reinstall if you have to. |
| 18:03.57 | kspath | Garp: See the confusion you have? |
| 18:04.00 | flowtron | I hope to find a reply by runyaga in my log: Is there any development on the quakenet plugin for current release of supybot. Even an ETA?!? |
| 18:04.04 | stew | baroni: if you google for vgetty you will find a list of modems with voice support |
| 18:04.05 | dfd | :\ |
| 18:04.06 | valdyn | meneg: try 'sudo glxinfo' |
| 18:04.07 | Garp | kspath: no, not yet. |
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| 18:04.13 | sparkx | has something happened to the xorg in sid these day? I has stopped working aftera a dist-upgrade for me. |
| 18:04.20 | baroni | stew: or some program that uses vgetty, but a graphical one |
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| 18:04.26 | strider | meneg: dosen't verbose glxinfo tell anything? |
| 18:04.27 | baroni | stew: thanks |
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| 18:04.29 | stew | sparkx: 7.0 the modular one just went in |
| 18:04.31 | vin` | dfd: and don't repeat. ;) |
| 18:04.32 | kspath | Garp: If you weigh something in your kitchen on a food scale what units does it show? |
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| 18:04.38 | stew | baroni: dunno, apt-cache search vgetty |
| 18:04.49 | dfd | vin`, yeah.. sorry.. I'm nervous.. |
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| 18:04.56 | tuvwx | dfd, i've done it a while ago.. i've a script that lists all downgradable packages. i downgraded those and kept the ones only in unstable |
| 18:04.57 | meneg | valdyn: same |
| 18:04.58 | vin` | sparkx: what errors? grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:05.05 | vin` | dfd: what's wrong? |
| 18:05.11 | baroni | thanks stew |
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| 18:05.25 | sparkx | vin`, modules are in the same old place but they won't load anymore. |
| 18:05.27 | ccamacho | how can I get back to X 6.9 from X 7.0? |
| 18:05.30 | kspath | Garp: Does it show grams with meters per second? |
| 18:05.31 | valdyn | meneg: glxinfo ( and all GL applications ) are not linking against the libGL library provided by ATI but against mesa's libGL |
| 18:05.36 | vin` | sparkx: which module? |
| 18:05.38 | dfd | vin`, I want to play.. =P but nvidia drivers and glx are all fucked up.. |
| 18:05.44 | ccamacho | the less painful way? |
| 18:05.44 | sparkx | vin`, speedo wacom nvidia and glx |
| 18:05.49 | Garp | kspath: its not a confision in that case: I measure the mass by using the gravity. Works well. The same way I can measure a speed by counting wells tuns |
| 18:05.50 | dfd | tuvwx, can you give me the script? |
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| 18:05.58 | meneg | valdyn: so..? |
| 18:06.05 | meneg | valdyn: can it be fixed? |
| 18:06.08 | valdyn | sparkx: put thoese modules ( to the new place ) |
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| 18:06.16 | kspath | Garp: You are still not getting units. |
| 18:06.18 | yggdrasil_ | garp did yo uever hear that story about keppler and his professor ,,, the barometer ? |
| 18:06.25 | vin` | dfd: is this after 7.0? |
| 18:06.28 | ccamacho | Garp: just this... weigth=force |
| 18:06.31 | dfd | vin`, yeah |
| 18:06.32 | Gomo1 | Hey |
| 18:06.33 | ccamacho | that's all |
| 18:06.33 | Garp | yggdrasil_: yep. |
| 18:06.36 | sparkx | valdyn, and where must i put them? |
| 18:06.39 | Garp | ccamacho: yes, and ? |
| 18:06.41 | valdyn | meneg: ldd glxinfo, check that libGL, check which libGL ATI installed, replace the wrong with the right one |
| 18:06.47 | dfd | vin`, as soon as I upgraded to xorg 7.0 (this morning) I can't use nvidia drivers and glx anymore |
| 18:06.50 | kspath | weight is mass and force |
| 18:06.53 | Gomo1 | Can anyone suggest a nice guide to install a full-featured qmail server on debian sarge? |
| 18:06.54 | kspath | mass is mass |
| 18:06.57 | kspath | force is force |
| 18:07.05 | meneg | oh, it points to X11R6 |
| 18:07.05 | stew | its all offtopic |
| 18:07.07 | valdyn | meneg: and uh, dont blame me if that fucks up your system as messing with packages files is _not_ the debian way to do things |
| 18:07.10 | Garp | kspath: and ? |
| 18:07.13 | Gomo1 | kspath: weight is a force |
| 18:07.14 | EdLin | dfd: you're lucky if that's your only problem |
| 18:07.18 | kspath | stew: agreed off-topic |
| 18:07.24 | meneg | valdyn: weird, it points to X11R6 |
| 18:07.25 | vin` | dfd: googled? checked bts? mailing lists? |
| 18:07.27 | Gomo1 | kspath: it just happens to depend on mass |
| 18:07.41 | dfd | vin`, no.. :\ I will.. |
| 18:07.42 | Garp | kspath: that's what I said: do you consider pound as a force unit? |
| 18:07.44 | valdyn | meneg: more /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 18:07.46 | ccamacho | vin`: it's the same for ati drivers |
| 18:08.04 | hans0lo | I want to place a 'newtork monitor' on our company's network, so we can get a log of all websites that are visited by each IP. What package would I need to use? |
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| 18:08.04 | sparkx | thanks guys i'm googling to solve these xorg issues. |
| 18:08.04 | meneg | valdyn: /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 18:08.06 | Garp | Gomo1: giving and easy way to compute the mass. |
| 18:08.09 | vin` | and I experienced the same with i810 ;-/ |
| 18:08.10 | ccamacho | vin`: it just crash |
| 18:08.16 | tuvwx | dfd: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2349 |
| 18:08.29 | Gomo1 | Garp: yep |
| 18:09.23 | dfd | tuvwx, thanks :-) |
| 18:09.34 | tuvwx | dfd: it requires apt-show-versions |
| 18:09.39 | tuvwx | dfd, np |
| 18:10.00 | Garp | kspath: in that case, how can there be a pdf (f for force)? Which would mean force of a force ? (?) |
| 18:10.37 | ccamacho | tuvwx: how it works? |
| 18:11.31 | tuvwx | ccamacho, you just run it.. it's a bash script. the output is a list of packages downgradable to testing.. you can do apt-get install <paste-the-list-here> |
| 18:11.34 | vin` | why are you guys trying to downgrade? can't you get 6.9 from testing? |
| 18:12.06 | ccamacho | X 7.0.0 |
| 18:12.11 | ccamacho | no funca |
| 18:12.14 | ccamacho | esta muerto |
| 18:12.16 | ccamacho | mamo |
| 18:12.26 | ccamacho | crash |
| 18:12.27 | ccamacho | finito |
| 18:12.27 | stew | ccamacho: stop |
| 18:12.27 | GoAuLd | shut up |
| 18:12.29 | stew | ccamacho: did you check the bts? |
| 18:12.31 | ccamacho | anyother adjective |
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| 18:12.35 | Garp | btw, no anwser to my question? (well above...) |
| 18:12.43 | dfd | tuvwx, uhm.. is it okay than everything is okay and nothing downgradable? o_O |
| 18:12.45 | elzo | 7.0 works for me although it's a little buggy |
| 18:12.50 | Garp | (some *in topic* question) |
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| 18:13.10 | meneg | valdyn: hehe, by removing ld.so.conf it worked after an x restart:) |
| 18:13.20 | vin` | there it works! |
| 18:13.25 | rvalles | Anyone experienced with nas? I can play sounds with "audial" locally but not from the other machine (audial -a serverhost:0 number -> audiolib: connection to "tcp/nyu:8000" refused by server audiolib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server) |
| 18:13.55 | rvalles | and sadly there seems not to be any documentation in their website about auth |
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| 18:14.07 | meneg | woohoo quake3 on x7 |
| 18:14.18 | dfd | tuvwx, oops, I solved, thanks |
| 18:14.32 | stew | rvalles: checked /usr/share/doc/packagename ? |
| 18:14.35 | vin` | ccamacho: your turn now. |
| 18:14.59 | uros_ | what could be wrong with .config if i get error msg when i boot kernel : Kernel panic : attemting to kill init ? |
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| 18:15.11 | Garp | Question: Since last upgrade (on testing) my firefox display strange ligatures between characters. Eg, all 'st' characters sequences get some link between the s and the t at the top (looks like really old fashion writing). It makes things hard to read... Is that normal? Is that avoidable? Thanks. |
| 18:15.14 | Bazy | If you would install a router for a small ISP, will you use debian 3.1 or unstable ? |
| 18:15.35 | vin` | Garp: checked bts? |
| 18:15.40 | ccamacho | vin`: what? |
| 18:15.50 | Garp | vin`: bts(?) |
| 18:15.54 | meneg | ok, who knows why xorg7 wont let me go to a console with alt+ctrl-Fx? |
| 18:16.00 | vin` | !bts |
| 18:16.00 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 18:16.03 | Garp | vin`: Bug Tracking System ? |
| 18:16.08 | Garp | ok :) |
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| 18:16.14 | elzo | meneg: it's a bug |
| 18:16.14 | tuvwx | how do i know from where i'm downloading a file (over http)? i want to know whether it's cached somewhere and where that somewhere is |
| 18:16.20 | meneg | elzo: :< |
| 18:16.27 | pixolet | Bazy, i'd use stable, unless you really need packages in unstable |
| 18:16.52 | Garp | (anyway, have to go) |
| 18:16.53 | Garp | bebye |
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| 18:17.09 | vin` | bebee? |
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| 18:18.12 | uros_ | what could be wrong with .config if i get error msg when i boot kernel : Kernel panic : attemting to kill init ? |
| 18:18.21 | Bazy | pixolet: I need quagga, iproute and some basic packages, i need quagga for BGP and tc for HTB |
| 18:18.21 | yanmorin | Can someone try: debootstrap --arch i386 sid /root/cf_linux ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ (it seems to not work - you have to change /root/cf_linux parameter before) |
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| 18:19.26 | DaRkiLLeR | hello |
| 18:19.56 | DaRkiLLeR | #debianf |
| 18:20.50 | stew | yanmorin: how far does it get? what version of debootstrap? |
| 18:21.10 | dfd | bye |
| 18:21.38 | yanmorin | stew, it stops at "E: Couldn't download base-config", i'm checking for the version debootstrap, right now |
| 18:21.54 | stew | yanmorin: there is on base-config in sid, you need to install sid's debootstrap |
| 18:21.59 | stew | ^on^no |
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| 18:22.41 | Gomo1 | Can anyone suggest a nice guide to install a full-featured qmail server on debian sarge? |
| 18:22.55 | DaRkiLLeR | helloo xhere i can the nick name of the people who are on liçne |
| 18:22.58 | DaRkiLLeR | ? |
| 18:23.04 | ekkikrist | Gomo1: http://lifewithqmail.org/ |
| 18:23.21 | Gomo1 | yyyyyyyyyeah what about something else? |
| 18:23.21 | Bazy | Gomo1 or http://qmailrocks.org/ |
| 18:23.28 | ekkikrist | Gomo1: nope |
| 18:23.29 | abrotman | DaRkiLLeR: on the what? |
| 18:23.41 | abrotman | use postfix! |
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| 18:23.43 | ekkikrist | Gomo1: Do it the right way. |
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| 18:23.48 | ekkikrist | or use postfix |
| 18:23.52 | ekkikrist | that's good too. |
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| 18:23.54 | Gomo1 | I know those but i'd love to have a guide that uses the actual debian packages |
| 18:24.03 | ekkikrist | Gomo1: There are no debian packages. |
| 18:24.07 | Gomo1 | yep i found a nice tut for postfix |
| 18:24.10 | Gomo1 | ekkikrist: there are |
| 18:24.12 | Gomo1 | in contrib |
| 18:24.12 | ekkikrist | Gomo1: That is the only right way to install it |
| 18:24.16 | ekkikrist | They are not in contrib |
| 18:24.24 | yanmorin | stew: how do you get the debootstrap version? dpkg -I debootstrap? |
| 18:24.24 | Gomo1 | ekkikrist: o_O |
| 18:24.26 | Gomo1 | funny then |
| 18:24.30 | Bazy | Gomo1 tell me the link to postfix tutorial |
| 18:24.34 | Gomo1 | My server must be inventing packages |
| 18:24.43 | pixolet | bazy, unstable has a newer version of quagga, so depending on if you need/want those features.. |
| 18:24.46 | Gomo1 | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge |
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| 18:25.07 | stew | yanmorin: dpkg -l debootstrap ; but if its looking for base-config its too old, go to http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap and download sid's version and dpkg -i it |
| 18:25.08 | yosef | hi |
| 18:25.08 | Gomo1 | It says it also supports that ISPconfig thing |
| 18:25.16 | yosef | how to reconfigure locale? |
| 18:25.18 | Gomo1 | I'm actually setting up an UML server for a client |
| 18:25.26 | Gomo1 | So it would be good |
| 18:25.58 | heny | how can i change this: |
| 18:25.58 | heny | Last login: Wed Apr 12 19:27:03 2006 from windoof |
| 18:25.59 | yanmorin | stew: ok thanks, my friend will try this |
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| 18:26.25 | vin` | Gomo1: looked at this? http://www.qmailrocks.org/install_db.htm |
| 18:26.34 | stew | yanmorin: (usually installing sid pacakges on sarge is a bad idea, but in this case it is a shell script with no real deependencies so it is ok) |
| 18:26.37 | mindbob | Hey guys what is the easiest way to switch from gnome desktop to kde desktop in debian? - I have kde installed? |
| 18:26.50 | Bazy | Gomo1 qmailrocks is the best! :-) |
| 18:27.20 | tuvwx | yos87, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:27.31 | Gomo1 | Bazy: yeah, why not |
| 18:27.38 | Gomo1 | :/ |
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| 18:28.15 | yos87 | tuvwx: ok , thank you, I was trying dpkg-reconfigure locale |
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| 18:28.25 | nohero__ | ciao! |
| 18:28.32 | tuvwx | how do i know from where i'm downloading a file (over http)? i want to know whether it's cached somewhere and where that somewhere is |
| 18:28.37 | vin` | mindbob: install kdm or gdm, switch by clicking a few buttons or are you using startx? |
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| 18:29.04 | heny | how can i change this: |
| 18:29.05 | heny | Last login: Wed Apr 12 19:27:03 2006 from windoof |
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| 18:29.46 | mindbob | vin`, thanks :) |
| 18:30.42 | Covener | heny: /etc/pam.d/login |
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| 18:31.04 | Covener | heny: (search for 'last') |
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| 18:33.59 | goodbye | meh. is this the place for nub debian questions? i'm stuck on a apt / proxy issue |
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| 18:34.30 | abrotman | just ask |
| 18:35.29 | RazaMetaL | hi again |
| 18:35.32 | goodbye | sure. i'm trying to use apt through a proxy. i have HTTP_PROXY set with my username and password, but it's giving me a weird error message - "Could not connect to http.us.debian.org:80 (35.9.37.225). - connect (111 Connection refused)" |
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| 18:35.48 | RazaMetaL | i can't seclec layouts from the gnome keyboard preferences in sid |
| 18:36.15 | goodbye | http://username@password@proxy.domainname.com:8080/ is my proxy setting. |
| 18:36.27 | goodbye | with the obvious proper settings. |
| 18:36.57 | goodbye | without the username and password, it gives me a legit proxy auth error...but this new error has me stumped |
| 18:37.05 | Bazy | try http://username:password@proxy.domainname.com:8080/ |
| 18:37.29 | vin` | RazaMetaL: is xkb-data installed? |
| 18:37.39 | goodbye | ooo that would be a sad typo =( let me check |
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| 18:39.17 | goodbye | naw. still the same error. |
| 18:39.27 | Bazy | :-( |
| 18:39.45 | RazaMetaL | vin`, let me check it |
| 18:39.45 | goodbye | i have a star and exclaimation point in my passwrd. maybe it doesn't like that? |
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| 18:41.08 | surge | j #debian-uk |
| 18:41.17 | surge | My apologies. |
| 18:41.35 | RazaMetaL | vin`, I have installed it right now, let me restart gdm and try again |
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| 18:41.46 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 18:41.46 | dpkg | [apt-proxy] a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. |
| 18:41.51 | abrotman | doh .. wrong one |
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| 18:42.24 | yos87 | Hi, I have problem with the sound, When play something I hear a random things, not normal sound, and know about it? |
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| 18:42.44 | goodbye | hm. apt-proxy eh? |
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| 18:42.56 | goodbye | too bad i can't apt-get it =( |
| 18:42.58 | Bazy | !quagga |
| 18:42.58 | dpkg | quagga is probably new routing daemon.Like zebra. http://www.quagga.net |
| 18:43.07 | abrotman | goodbye: no .. that wasn't for you |
| 18:43.16 | surge | I'm looking to use the debtakeover script on my slackware laptop. However when I try to build debootstrap it complains about a lack of dpkg, though the debootstrap page claims it does not need dpkg. Is there perhaps something I'm missing? |
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| 18:44.52 | tuvwx | goodbye, i don't think apt-proxy is what you're looking for.. apt-proxy is for caching debian repo. packages into a proxy. my understanding is that you already have a proxy and you want to get past it |
| 18:44.54 | abrotman | uh .. i think i broke him |
| 18:45.06 | goodbye | tuvwx: aye. |
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| 18:45.21 | stew | dondelelcaro: abrotman broke the bot |
| 18:45.23 | abrotman | i didn't mean to break him! |
| 18:45.42 | abrotman | i didn't really break him .. you can't prove it! |
| 18:45.50 | k31th | if i enable SSL on a webserver will it then enable ssl on everypage ? |
| 18:45.53 | abrotman | he should have come back by now |
| 18:45.54 | stew | whoever smelt it dealt it |
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| 18:46.55 | Coweater | ext |
| 18:47.12 | yos87 | how to reconfigure the sound? |
| 18:47.26 | stew | yos87: are you using alsa or oss? |
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| 18:48.14 | oigres | Does anyone remembers the name of a deb that does port forwarding and is not iptables ? |
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| 18:48.30 | yos87 | stew: I Don't know both actually, what is alsa and oss? |
| 18:48.46 | ILF_ | oigres: shorewall is a good iptables script |
| 18:48.48 | AciD | yos87 > sound systems |
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| 18:49.22 | stew | yos87: oss is the older, deprecated open sound system, alsa is the advanced linux sound architecture, the newer better stuff, |
| 18:49.26 | stew | yos87: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:49.41 | oigres | ILF_, ok, i'll check that out. It's for a friend that considers iptables too complicated... |
| 18:49.44 | System- | hey, im pretty new to debian, how can i download and install kde using my debian system? |
| 18:49.51 | stew | System-: apt-get install kde |
| 18:49.54 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 18:49.58 | abrotman | gah! |
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| 18:50.01 | stew | abrotman: you broke him |
| 18:50.02 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 18:50.08 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 18:50.15 | yos87 | stew : it say 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:50.21 | abrotman | stew: did not! |
| 18:50.22 | stew | yos87: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 18:50.32 | yos87 | stew : it's new laptop what i have |
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| 18:50.51 | yos87 | stew: mine is alsa or oss? |
| 18:50.53 | System- | stew ur said it could nor opwn lock file |
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| 18:50.58 | System- | *it |
| 18:51.01 | stew | System-: you must be root |
| 18:51.25 | mz_work | anyone know why xorg7 doesn't let me change cursors? |
| 18:51.26 | stew | yos87: either probably, but i recommend alsa |
| 18:51.49 | stew | yos87: what cpu do you have? you might consider a newer kenrel and one better suited for your cpi, especially if it is a newer laptop |
| 18:52.03 | System- | ah, cheers stew |
| 18:52.20 | tuvwx | yos87, why are you using a 2.4 386 kernel on a new laptop?! |
| 18:52.40 | yos87 | stew: the laptop is new, but the cpu is intel celeron mobile |
| 18:52.44 | yos87 | stew: I don't know |
| 18:52.48 | stew | yos87: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 18:52.52 | stew | yos87: your arch is 686 |
| 18:52.53 | yos87 | stew: I just boot by defult |
| 18:53.12 | laclasse | mz_work, i first like to know why i get X errors on all x apps i launch ( or nearly all ) |
| 18:53.13 | yos87 | stew: I don't know wich one for wich one |
| 18:53.22 | yos87 | stew: is it effect the sound? |
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| 18:53.30 | laclasse | xorg 7 just dist upgraded that is |
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| 18:54.02 | stew | yos87: i don't know what "wich one for wich one" means. /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kerel ; where <<-- that factoid says arch, you use "686" |
| 18:55.13 | yos87 | stew: I mean I don't know when to use 1.4 , and when to use 2.6, |
| 18:55.24 | jelly | ooh, nice fork bomb: |
| 18:55.25 | ILF_ | yos87: don't use 2.4 |
| 18:55.27 | jelly | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: |
| 18:55.35 | yos87 | ILF_: why? |
| 18:55.37 | stew | jelly: please dont |
| 18:55.47 | ILF_ | yos87: it's f*cking old |
| 18:55.49 | deadcat | jelly: thats fucke up (= |
| 18:55.56 | laclasse | lol |
| 18:56.08 | yos87 | stew: the command you gave to me did nothing? /msg.. |
| 18:56.18 | yos87 | ILF_: can I change? |
| 18:56.21 | Coweater | ILF_: don't make up reasons |
| 18:56.45 | ILF_ | yos87: yes, what stew said |
| 18:56.49 | stew | !tell yos87 about sarge upgrade kernel |
| 18:57.15 | madclicker | looking for a routed daemon package name |
| 18:57.26 | jelly | deadcat: it does look like a mad smiley. |
| 18:57.27 | yos87 | ILF_: what dpkg say is not same what stew say |
| 18:57.51 | ILF_ | yos87: or # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:58.01 | abrotman | ILF_: oddly .. 2.4 is still being developed |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | (course .. last i knew .. so was 2.0) |
| 18:58.05 | deadcat | jelly: i wasnt mad. hahaha |
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| 18:58.22 | ILF_ | abrotman: i know. but even sarge was released with a stable 2.6.8 |
| 18:58.30 | stew | yos87: i was telling you to send messages to the bot named dpkg |
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| 18:58.33 | abrotman | depends on your definition of stable |
| 18:58.40 | redduck666 | any folks here package deb`s? if so is checkinstall bad for the health of the system? |
| 18:58.43 | yos87 | ILF_: i'm doing .. |
| 18:58.47 | ILF_ | but yeah, it can be a flamewar like "my distro/editor/foo" > yours |
| 18:58.55 | deadcat | laclasse: so you on 7.0? everything ok? i am planning to go 7.0 since i am having problem with my mouse with the industrial theme |
| 18:59.02 | laclasse | i get X errors on nearly all apps after a dist-upgrade on sid ( BadRequest ). Anybody got clues ? |
| 18:59.07 | laclasse | deadcat, ^ |
| 18:59.10 | laclasse | not really no. |
| 18:59.13 | laclasse | lol |
| 18:59.17 | unstable | laclasse: Do'nt use sid? and check the bts |
| 18:59.20 | unstable | !tell laclasse about bts |
| 18:59.21 | ILF_ | laclasse: apparently a lot of people have problems with xorg7 |
| 18:59.31 | ILF_ | laclasse: i can at least run it and have minor problems |
| 18:59.33 | unstable | !tell laclasse about unstable |
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| 18:59.45 | laclasse | yeah thks unstable. |
| 19:00.06 | deadcat | laclasse: thanks for testing. (= i am gonna stay away from it then. |
| 19:00.29 | unstable | yea laclasse thanks for being the ginnie pig, sucks your system is hosed. |
| 19:00.36 | yos87 | stew: He did not ask me for cd, he is downloading it from the internet |
| 19:00.38 | laclasse | unstable, its not ;) |
| 19:00.49 | yos87 | stew: after finish, the sound will work? |
| 19:00.53 | unstable | guinea* |
| 19:00.54 | laclasse | unstable, got vesa driver, aterm gives me a shell ;) |
| 19:00.59 | laclasse | :P |
| 19:01.08 | laclasse | apt-listbugs was good |
| 19:01.08 | abrotman | unstable: guinea pig |
| 19:01.18 | mz_work | ILF_: do you have the x-cursor-theme problem too? |
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| 19:01.50 | ILF_ | mz_work: don't know what exactly you mean |
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| 19:02.10 | mz_work | ILF_: well i set x-cursor-theme but it refuses to change |
| 19:02.12 | stew | yos87: after you install that kernel, reboot, you will be on 2.6, then run the stuff in /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 19:02.28 | ILF_ | mz_work: well i don't use x-cursor-theme |
| 19:02.34 | abrotman | we should have one of the ops put "http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable" in the topic some day |
| 19:02.57 | HuK0B | I have a problem with user mode linux and debian network here is the problem:when I start my uml kernel with ubd0=... eth0=tuntap,portals_0 eth1=tuntap,portals_1 I can't up eth1 with ifconfig I can't see the interface but with eth0 everything is ok portals_0 and portals_1 are two interfaces that are on two diffrend bridges..But here is the problem I have 2 uml debian root FS 1 testing and 1 sarge on sarge I have a problem with eth1 when I start testing everit |
| 19:03.02 | stew | abrotman: is it in the sid faq? |
| 19:03.06 | mz_work | x-cursor-theme is just like my wife |
| 19:03.10 | mz_work | stubborn |
| 19:03.13 | sparkx | does anybody has a list of meanings for the 2 char tags that are the first column of dpkg-query --list ? I checked the manpages but nothing. |
| 19:03.16 | yos87 | stew: OK |
| 19:03.26 | mirak | is there a way to disable iptable logs to console ? |
| 19:03.27 | System- | erm stew, after all the downloading etc, should the screen go blank for a long while? lol |
| 19:03.30 | stew | sparkx: there is a key at the top of the output |
| 19:03.46 | abrotman | stew: doubt it .. and we'd have to get greycat to add it .. and greycat doesn't come around these parts anymore :) |
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| 19:03.56 | eleftherios | I am sick of gnome, does anyone have a recommendation apart from KDE? |
| 19:03.56 | stew | abrotman: i have a feeling you know where to find him |
| 19:04.07 | stew | System-: no |
| 19:04.09 | abrotman | stew: i checked my back pocket .. wasn't there |
| 19:04.17 | System- | its still blank... |
| 19:04.20 | Ronin | eleftherios: fluxbox but like all things its personel choice |
| 19:04.37 | mirak | is there a way to disable iptable logs to console ? |
| 19:04.39 | eleftherios | Ronin, that's what I was thinking of trying. |
| 19:04.53 | sparkx | stew, yes i've seen but i can't find there the meaning of "rc" and "pn" |
| 19:05.02 | ILF_ | mirak: Under Debian, you can set KLOGD="-c 5" in /etc/init.d/klogd to suppress info (log level 6) messages on the console. |
| 19:05.08 | HuK0B | I mean when I start uml-kernel ubd0=debian-root-testing eth0=tuntap,portals_0 eth1=tuntap,portals_1 everything is ok in uml I can see my 2 interfaces but when I start with my other root fs I have problem with eth1 here the example uml-kernel ubd0=debian-root-sarge eth0=tuntap,portals_0 eth1=tuntap,portals_1 |
| 19:05.12 | eleftherios | Ronin, I am hoping for something good-looking & lightweight with good keyboard shortcuts because I want to minimise mouse usage |
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| 19:05.19 | HuK0B | can somebody help me |
| 19:05.20 | mirak | ILF_: ok |
| 19:05.23 | ILF_ | eleftherios: i use wmii :) |
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| 19:05.32 | eleftherios | wmii? |
| 19:05.39 | eleftherios | ILF_, what's that? |
| 19:05.40 | ILF_ | wmii.de |
| 19:05.59 | stew | sparkx: Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold so the p means purge, Status=Not/Installed/Config-files... so the n means Not Installed the first column is what you ahve requested and the second is the current state |
| 19:06.04 | ILF_ | a window manager that actually manages windows |
| 19:06.08 | kerokid | HI everybody, Somebady know if there is a command to uninstall all packages less the base paqckages? |
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| 19:06.11 | madclicker | what package is yoused for "routed" in sarge? |
| 19:06.17 | abrotman | used? |
| 19:06.23 | grendal_prime | howabout matrox cards? 250? |
| 19:06.26 | abrotman | !tell madclicker about search |
| 19:06.27 | madclicker | :) |
| 19:06.29 | grendal_prime | anybody deal with that? |
| 19:06.37 | abrotman | grendal_prime: huh? |
| 19:06.58 | eleftherios | ILF_, I'll check it out too :-) thank you |
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| 19:07.15 | sparkx | stew, well now it makes sense. thanks. |
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| 19:07.27 | grendal_prime | well other tech is trying to set up matrox mullineum 250 card..and ...in the xserver config dialogs there is notihing for matrox |
| 19:07.43 | stew | grendal_prime: mga |
| 19:07.51 | grendal_prime | oooooo ok thaks |
| 19:08.16 | eleftherios | Ronin, this might sound silly but I am not sure how to switch desktop from Gnome? I have installed fluxbox, can I actually switch without loosing my running apps? |
| 19:08.36 | abrotman | no |
| 19:08.58 | stew | no? |
| 19:09.00 | eleftherios | also I am not sure if it will work with X.org on sarge |
| 19:09.04 | stew | well maybe |
| 19:09.11 | Ronin | eleftherios: no, term apps in a screen will be fine though but things like say evolution will shut down |
| 19:09.18 | mirak | ILF_: it doesn't work |
| 19:09.33 | eleftherios | Ronin, I have a dosen files running on Emacs |
| 19:09.54 | eleftherios | I'll try it later then, thank you :-) |
| 19:10.09 | Ronin | eleftherios: probibly safer to wait till they're done :) |
| 19:10.30 | vin` | eleftherios: next time run emacs in screen. ;) |
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| 19:10.51 | ILF_ | mirak: /etc/init.d/klogd restart |
| 19:11.04 | mirak | ILF_: I have done that |
| 19:11.07 | eleftherios | :-) |
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| 19:17.53 | deadcat | que? |
| 19:18.17 | jverdugo | wenas tardes |
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| 19:19.52 | ccamacho_ | buenas tardes |
| 19:20.03 | Ronin | !es |
| 19:20.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:38.11 | chealer | sean_micken|work: yes |
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| 19:41.17 | System- | stew i did that, but kde doesnt load when i start the computer up? |
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| 19:41.26 | sean_micken|work | chealer, k, what other ones do you know of? |
| 19:41.40 | thingfish | System-: did you install kdm as well? |
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| 19:42.00 | System- | whats kdm? |
| 19:42.08 | abrotman | kde desktop manager |
| 19:42.11 | System- | i just did apt-get install kde |
| 19:42.11 | abrotman | !dm |
| 19:42.11 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 19:42.13 | ILF_ | apt-cache show kdm |
| 19:42.15 | chealer | sean_micken|work: ...many |
| 19:42.16 | abrotman | erm .. display manager |
| 19:42.46 | thingfish | System-: so install it. |
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| 19:43.01 | thingfish | System-: apt-get install kde doesn't install kdm, I don't believe. |
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| 19:43.28 | System- | thingfish, so i go apt-get install kdm? |
| 19:43.36 | thingfish | System-: exactly |
| 19:43.42 | System- | cool |
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| 19:43.55 | System- | thanks |
| 19:44.09 | thingfish | sure thing |
| 19:44.10 | System- | so now if i reboot it should load it? |
| 19:44.19 | thingfish | that's the idea |
| 19:44.38 | ILF_ | System-: do you have another window manager installed yet? |
| 19:44.44 | thingfish | System-: you shouldn't even have to reboot |
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| 19:45.04 | System- | well it just went back to root when it finished |
| 19:45.13 | thingfish | System-: you could probably do /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 19:45.15 | System- | ILF_, dont think so? |
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| 19:45.42 | thingfish | System-: do you have either xfree86 or xorg installed? |
| 19:45.53 | ILF_ | System-: well are you on shell or so you have a graphical desktop? |
| 19:45.54 | System- | not as far as i know |
| 19:46.00 | System- | on shell |
| 19:46.07 | thingfish | System-: you will need x. |
| 19:46.08 | ILF_ | then do what thingfish said |
| 19:46.09 | System- | after reboot it still didnt load kde |
| 19:46.24 | ILF_ | System-: /etc/init.d/kdm start (as root) |
| 19:46.29 | ILF_ | then log in there as user |
| 19:46.48 | thingfish | he may not have an x windowing system installed. |
| 19:47.03 | ILF_ | possible |
| 19:47.28 | thingfish | System-: are you using sarge? |
| 19:47.45 | System- | it said 'starting k display manager: kdm.' |
| 19:48.07 | System- | then its just got a shell prompt again, so its not starting it? |
| 19:48.19 | System- | thingfish, sorry im new, what is sarge? |
| 19:48.29 | ILF_ | System-: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:48.31 | thingfish | !sarge |
| 19:48.31 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 19:48.51 | System- | 2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 19:49.26 | ILF_ | System-: do "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" |
| 19:50.03 | ILF_ | System-: then do "/etc/init.d/kdm start" again |
| 19:50.30 | System- | ok, may take a while lol |
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| 19:51.05 | thingfish | System-: why did you not install these packages during the initial setup? |
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| 19:51.45 | System- | thingfish, i did a net install, and never got the option for kde etc :-/ |
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| 19:52.18 | thingfish | System-: you don't remember it giving you a list of package groups to install, topped by Desktop Environment? |
| 19:52.38 | deejoe | hi folks |
| 19:52.47 | thingfish | Desktop Environment, File Server, Print Server, Web Server, etc. |
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| 19:53.01 | deejoe | debootstrap sarge /path/to/sarge/target ends with this error: |
| 19:53.01 | deejoe | I: Validating /mnt/hda4/chroot/sarge/var/cache/apt/archives/console-tools_1%3a0.2.3dbs-56_i386.deb |
| 19:53.04 | deejoe | E: Couldn't download console-tools-libs |
| 19:53.13 | System- | yea i choose desktop environment |
| 19:53.22 | deejoe | which makes me sad. |
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| 19:53.52 | thingfish | System-: it's sure not seeming like you did. |
| 19:54.54 | System- | i did it installed, then i restarted, coz nothing else happened |
| 19:55.40 | System- | ILF_ i did that, and it still didnt load |
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| 19:56.00 | System- | thingfish, shall i try again, and hope i get the option at the beginning this time? |
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| 19:56.14 | System- | does it appear after getting all the files for the desktop enviornment? |
| 19:56.19 | thingfish | System-: you can bring that menu up by doing tasksel |
| 19:56.22 | ILF_ | System-: tail /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 19:56.28 | sfullenwider | Where can I find video capture cards that are supported by debian? |
| 19:56.29 | mishmash | I'm currently trying to change my root disk from an old 40GB to an 120GB disk. I've copied al the data using cp -ax / /new-disk but now i need to alter grub |
| 19:56.31 | mishmash | how do i do that? |
| 19:56.47 | sean_micken|work | chealer, any you can think of that may have the new nagios? |
| 19:56.58 | thingfish | System-: the way it's supposed to work is, if you select desktop environment, it installs both KDE and GNOME, as well as X. |
| 19:56.59 | ILF_ | mishmash: edit /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 19:57.11 | ILF_ | mishmash: make sure you adjust /etc/fstab as well |
| 19:57.12 | thingfish | System-: gdm then starts, and you log in. |
| 19:57.21 | mishmash | ok |
| 19:57.23 | thingfish | System-: you have super new hardware? |
| 19:57.34 | System- | ILF_ i rebooted before u said that, will it effect it? |
| 19:57.34 | ILF_ | mishmash: ans /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 19:57.47 | mishmash | ok |
| 19:57.47 | ILF_ | System-: not really |
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| 19:58.53 | System- | ILF_ siad it cant open it, that it doesnt exsist |
| 19:58.58 | chealer | sean_micken|work: no. ask the channel, please |
| 19:59.02 | System- | thingfish, its an old laptop |
| 19:59.17 | thingfish | System-: just wondering. |
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| 19:59.20 | ILF_ | System-: so /var/log/XFree86<tab><tab> |
| 19:59.22 | mishmash | ILF_: Currently my root disk is /dev/hda and my new disk is /dev/hdd. But when i replace the old disk with the new one, is the new one going to be /dev/hda? |
| 19:59.45 | System- | no such file |
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| 20:00.05 | ILF_ | mishmash: hda means primary master. if you set it up to be that again, it'll be hda, yes |
| 20:00.09 | startxwhite | i am really really confused. is anyone here running sarge kernel 2.6.8 who managed to get a *stable* wireless connection using WEP? or is it MANDATORY to use a more recent kernel? |
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| 20:01.04 | System- | thingfish do you just press enter on the software u want to install? |
| 20:01.15 | thingfish | System-: spacebar |
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| 20:01.20 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:01.24 | thingfish | arrows to navigate, spacebar to select. |
| 20:01.34 | System- | when u fo tasksel? |
| 20:01.41 | thingfish | yes |
| 20:01.58 | mishmash | ILF_: One more question: Now that i've ajusted grub, do i need to run an commando so that the master boot record on my new disk is being altered? |
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| 20:02.12 | System- | hmmm |
| 20:02.13 | System- | ok |
| 20:02.40 | ILF_ | mishmash: grub-install /dev/hdd |
| 20:02.56 | System- | gonna re-install |
| 20:03.07 | thingfish | the whole thing? |
| 20:03.10 | ILF_ | System-: don't |
| 20:03.14 | thingfish | no real need to |
| 20:03.23 | mishmash | ILF_: /dev/hdd does not have any corresponding bios drive |
| 20:03.27 | System- | erm, 2 late started lol |
| 20:03.31 | thingfish | tsk |
| 20:03.41 | System- | think i know what i did wrong |
| 20:03.57 | ILF_ | mishmash: make a boot-floppy? |
| 20:03.57 | System- | think i pressed enter so it installed the mail server thing instead |
| 20:04.17 | ILF_ | mishmash: and have a live-cd ready :) |
| 20:04.18 | thingfish | System-: so you could've uninstalled that. your base system was likely totally fine. |
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| 20:04.22 | mishmash | lol |
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| 20:04.34 | System- | i wasnt sure that it would uninstall everything |
| 20:04.46 | System- | erm, now my floppy disk is making a bad noise |
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| 20:05.19 | cyb0org | hi |
| 20:05.33 | ILF_ | ok guys, enough wasting time here. got some stuff to do |
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| 20:07.56 | Petaris | Is there a way to create a bootable cd using k3b? I need to make a cd version of a ghost boot floppy |
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| 20:09.46 | System- | Pataris you would need to make an iso or something |
| 20:10.15 | cyb0org | any link with help for sid after xorg upgrade? :) |
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| 20:10.30 | Petaris | System-: I created an image of the floppy using dd "dd bs=2x80x18b if=/dev/fd0 of=/data/downloads/realtek.img" |
| 20:11.00 | System- | sorry Peraris, ive never used k3b before |
| 20:11.01 | Petaris | and I tried adding it to a data cd in k3b under the bootable options |
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| 20:11.07 | Petaris | but it didn't like it |
| 20:11.20 | Petaris | System-: ok, thanks anyway |
| 20:11.22 | cyb0org | #362077 I mean |
| 20:11.31 | System- | has it any -'s in the name Petaris? |
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| 20:11.47 | kaeso | hi all... |
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| 20:12.36 | dn4 | Does anyone know if the mad-wifi-ng drivers will be integrated into the kernel? |
| 20:12.37 | Petaris | System-: um, no |
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| 20:12.43 | Petaris | System-: Should it? |
| 20:12.53 | mirak | comment je peux lancer une session gnome dans un X sans passer par gdm ? |
| 20:12.56 | System- | nah, some image writers dont like them |
| 20:13.05 | System- | didnt know if that was a problem |
| 20:13.06 | mirak | sorry |
| 20:13.19 | Petaris | hrm |
| 20:13.32 | kaeso | mirak: xinit and after gnome-session |
| 20:13.49 | mirak | kaeso: merci ! |
| 20:14.26 | kaeso | mirak: pas de quois! (is it right?) |
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| 20:14.51 | jengelh | rien de quois |
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| 20:15.19 | kaeso | jengelh: ah :) |
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| 20:15.33 | chealer | kaeso: "pas de quoi" |
| 20:15.40 | jengelh | hm :) |
| 20:15.51 | jengelh | i'm also a little rusty |
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| 20:16.22 | bulio|lap | I did apt-get install gnome |
| 20:16.26 | bulio|lap | now how do I configure it? |
| 20:16.27 | surge | I'm having a bit of trouble building debootstrap on slackware, dpkg is complaining that i486-slackware-linux is not in the remapping table. Is there any way I can solve this? |
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| 20:16.36 | dn4 | unbuntu vs debian which one is better? |
| 20:16.46 | mz_work | ubuntwho? |
| 20:16.48 | jengelh | dn4 : Is this #ubuntu or #debian? |
| 20:16.50 | Ronin | gee dn4 what do you think were going to say? |
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| 20:17.07 | abrotman | Ronin: stormix! |
| 20:17.09 | Ronin | bulio|lap: gnome control center |
| 20:17.15 | Ronin | abrotman: heh |
| 20:17.20 | bulio|lap | what package installs Xfree86? |
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| 20:17.46 | plasmoduck | him |
| 20:17.53 | plasmoduck | hi |
| 20:17.56 | dn4 | I am seriously debating on using ubuntu because my buddy is telling me to, and I have used Debian for a good 4 years already |
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| 20:18.08 | bulio|lap | I've tried ubuntu |
| 20:18.13 | bulio|lap | Its basically the same thing |
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| 20:18.26 | plasmoduck | Im trying to install phpBB, but I need a mysql database so im installing 'mysql-server-4.1'. Is that the correct package? |
| 20:18.28 | Ronin | same thing? |
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| 20:18.42 | Ronin | dn4: are you satisfied with debian? |
| 20:18.45 | chealer | !tell bulio|lap about install x |
| 20:18.46 | bulio|lap | Ronin: Ubuntu is based off debian |
| 20:18.49 | plasmoduck | also, how do I create the database username and password? |
| 20:18.55 | Ronin | bulio|lap: based on does not = same |
| 20:19.05 | bulio|lap | similar then |
| 20:19.10 | abrotman | lots of things are based on debian |
| 20:19.18 | jengelh | abrotman : E.g.? |
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| 20:19.25 | slinn | 1: my life |
| 20:19.30 | Ronin | hell mandriva/mandrake is based on redhat but there not the same |
| 20:19.35 | plasmoduck | lol |
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| 20:19.40 | dn4 | Ronin, I'd like debian to have mad-wifi-ng drivers installed during the base install so I do not have to manually download the drivers. That would be nice |
| 20:19.41 | jengelh | ah distros |
| 20:19.44 | mirak | kaeso: yes "pas de quoi" |
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| 20:19.59 | jengelh | "rien" was "nothing" |
| 20:20.08 | dn4 | Ronin, that means I Can do a netinstall with out having to have my computer hardwired :) |
| 20:20.10 | mirak | kaeso: I succeded but ran a root gnome session lol |
| 20:20.11 | chealer | plasmoduck: it's not a bad one. |
| 20:20.19 | Ronin | i see my grammer is up to par tonight |
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| 20:20.22 | bulio|lap | is there a way I can get debian running with XFCE4 and ndiswrapper, without having to connect to the internet during setup? |
| 20:20.23 | mirak | kaeso: how do I run a user session ? |
| 20:20.36 | abrotman | jengelh: ? |
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| 20:20.42 | kaeso | mirak: su your_user and the gnome-session |
| 20:20.51 | mirak | Ronin: mandriva was based on redhat. I mean there is probably not much left |
| 20:20.53 | kaeso | mirak: *then |
| 20:20.57 | bulio|lap | because I have a computer that has a USB Wireless adapter |
| 20:21.00 | dn4 | bulio|lap, download the packages from another computer isntall them on the computer that will not be connected to the internet. |
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| 20:21.12 | abrotman | jengelh: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 20:21.19 | bulio|lap | dn4: what do you mean? |
| 20:21.20 | perdenab | debian sarge is not taking daylight savings time into account. why? |
| 20:21.22 | stew | abrotman: new horde3 dsa |
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| 20:21.29 | abrotman | stew: i saw .. |
| 20:21.34 | abrotman | stew: it's old for horde.org |
| 20:21.41 | mirak | bulio|lap: ubuntu and debian are the same things exept you are banned when you talk of ubuntu on #debian |
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| 20:21.42 | mirak | lol |
| 20:21.45 | Shadowcat | perdenab: why does it have to take daylight savings into account? |
| 20:21.46 | fgf | -.- |
| 20:21.49 | stew | abrotman: oh right you don't use the debian pacakges |
| 20:21.50 | perdenab | time is showing 1 hr behind actual time |
| 20:21.50 | dn4 | bulio|lap, download .deb packages and transfer them from another computer to the oneyou want to instlal them on. |
| 20:21.50 | mz_work | bulio|lap: hmm boot a live cd that supports your wlan adapter and use debbootstrap? |
| 20:21.56 | perdenab | ntpd is running |
| 20:22.08 | Shadowcat | perdenab: then run ntdate |
| 20:22.13 | Shadowcat | err ntupdate |
| 20:22.14 | perdenab | all is fine during non-DST parts of year, but durnig DST it's an hour off |
| 20:22.19 | Shadowcat | or whatever that package was called |
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| 20:22.26 | bulio|lap | mz_work: what would support a wireless USB adapter from SMC? |
| 20:22.30 | Shadowcat | perdenab: so reset the clock manually |
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| 20:22.30 | perdenab | does no good, nor does an rdate |
| 20:22.31 | RolandU | hi all! how can I make the changes done using "alsaconf" permanent? |
| 20:22.39 | abrotman | stew: i tried .. they're no fun :) |
| 20:22.43 | Shadowcat | perdenab: yes it does |
| 20:22.45 | stew | abrotman: you hate debian |
| 20:22.51 | Shadowcat | since I just did it two hours ago |
| 20:22.54 | dn4 | Debian for ever!! |
| 20:22.57 | ruben | Hi, i am using djbdns, and I use dom.com, but only works www.dom.com and not dom.com, I need to create an alias for dom.com too? |
| 20:23.05 | mz_work | bulio|lap: not sure but best guess would be Kanotix - lots of patches for wlan in that kernel |
| 20:23.06 | abrotman | stew: i do .. it's quite sad ... i'm a self-loather |
| 20:23.22 | plasmoduck | ? |
| 20:23.27 | bulio|lap | mz_work: would Kanotix support 128MB ram and 667Mhz CPU? |
| 20:23.28 | kaeso | does anybody experience gnome fu*kage after Xorg 7 upgrade? |
| 20:23.37 | Shadowcat | kaeso: most probably |
| 20:23.54 | abrotman | stew: i may revert back to them .. though 4.1 seems to have fixed a lot of things i had to manually do |
| 20:23.58 | mz_work | bulio|lap: sure, you could use a swap partition if you have one handy |
| 20:24.06 | mirak | kaeso: but I still get the root console opened |
| 20:24.13 | plasmoduck | hello? |
| 20:24.20 | bulio|lap | How can I configure Xfree86? |
| 20:24.22 | kaeso | Shad0wcat: the second question is "any solutions?" ;) |
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| 20:24.27 | bulio|lap | It isn't running when I hit startx |
| 20:24.27 | stew | !drxx bulio|lap |
| 20:24.27 | dpkg | bulio|lap: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:24.29 | plasmoduck | Im trying to install phpBB, but I need a mysql database so im installing 'mysql-server-4.1'. Is that the correct package? |
| 20:24.32 | plasmoduck | also, how do I create the database username and password? |
| 20:24.37 | chealer | plasmoduck: it's not a bad one. |
| 20:24.39 | Shadowcat | kaeso: I'm afraid you're just gonna have to wait until they iron out all the problems |
| 20:24.41 | bulio|lap | or at least make it load Gnome |
| 20:24.46 | kaeso | mirak: It's normal... is it a problem? |
| 20:24.50 | Shadowcat | kaeso: either that or you can start hacking away at the source |
| 20:25.07 | stew | plasmoduck: yes that is the right package, then reas /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1/README.Debain and /usr/share/doc/phpbb2/README.Debian |
| 20:25.16 | Shadowcat | kaeso: I'm holding my systems at XOrg 6.9 until the bug count comes down |
| 20:25.22 | chealer | plasmoduck: please see the documentation, or ask #phpbb |
| 20:25.23 | bulio|lap | how do I launch Gnome? |
| 20:26.23 | perdenab | shadowcat, ntpdate won't work if ntpd is running |
| 20:26.24 | ibroadfo | kaeso: solutions in #f'ups to #362049 |
| 20:26.36 | Shadowcat | perdenab: liar |
| 20:26.39 | bulio|lap | anyone, how do I start Gnome? |
| 20:26.44 | kaeso | ibroadfo: thanks... I'll look... |
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| 20:27.05 | plasmoduck | bulio|lap, startx ? |
| 20:27.05 | perdenab | it's not a time issue, it's a matter of something in the time/date libraries choosing to take account of DST or not |
| 20:27.14 | bulio|lap | plasmoduck: outputs errors |
| 20:27.14 | perdenab | but thanks for your oh so helpful responses |
| 20:27.24 | Shadowcat | perdenab: are you running ntp or ntpd |
| 20:27.24 | bulio|lap | how would I configure xfree? |
| 20:27.40 | abrotman | !drxx bulio|lap |
| 20:27.40 | dpkg | bulio|lap: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:27.42 | Shadowcat | one's a time server |
| 20:27.45 | Azar | bulio|lap: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:27.45 | Shadowcat | the other's a time client |
| 20:27.46 | perdenab | ntpd |
| 20:27.53 | Shadowcat | perdenab: stop running the server |
| 20:28.05 | Shadowcat | the server isn't supposed to take daylight savings into account |
| 20:28.08 | perdenab | and that will help how? the time is already synched up |
| 20:28.15 | plasmoduck | is dpkg blootbot? |
| 20:28.21 | perdenab | and as i mentioned, rdate doesn't help either |
| 20:28.26 | Shadowcat | perdenab: aptitude purge ntpd && aptitude install ntp |
| 20:28.29 | Azar | Shadowcat: uh mine does |
| 20:28.30 | Shadowcat | then run ntdate |
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| 20:28.39 | perdenab | that doesn't answer the question |
| 20:28.51 | Azar | perdenab: what question again |
| 20:29.27 | abrotman | perdenab: hwclock any use? |
| 20:29.32 | Azar | oops I am dying again |
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| 20:29.52 | Shadowcat | why can't Microsoft just release a god damned service pack already |
| 20:29.56 | Shadowcat | but hey that'd be too easy |
| 20:30.06 | abrotman | Shadowcat: they'd just hve you install more patches a week later :) |
| 20:30.18 | perdenab | azar, abrotman, ntpd runs on this machine, synched with 3 USN servers. all is in synch. however, my local date/time in all apps shows 1 hr behind actual time, during periods of DST. other times it's correct |
| 20:30.24 | zinx | Shadowcat: because it's not the second tuesday? |
| 20:30.33 | perdenab | panel, date(1), all behind exactly 1 hr |
| 20:30.33 | Shadowcat | abrotman: well there are now more patches for xp sp2 than can fit on a 700 cd |
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| 20:30.44 | Azar | oh oh the applicationsssss |
| 20:30.45 | perdenab | rdate helps not |
| 20:30.47 | mz_work | Shad0wcat: the new plan @ M$ is to let the community build/distribute their patches since it's fater that way |
| 20:30.51 | zinx | Shadow: you'll need a DVD |
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| 20:31.00 | Shadowcat | zinx: I'm aware of that |
| 20:31.03 | hossin2010 | hi |
| 20:31.08 | Shadowcat | but some of the systems I service don't have dvds |
| 20:31.13 | zinx | Shadow: no, i mean, you'll need the whole thing when they release the next service pack |
| 20:31.26 | zinx | Shadow: it'll have to be dual-layer too |
| 20:31.33 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 20:31.39 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i'm .. trying to be shocked |
| 20:31.41 | Azar | perdenab: then you will have to search for applications documentations |
| 20:31.50 | perdenab | well, i've done that alread |
| 20:31.51 | perdenab | y |
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| 20:32.05 | abrotman | perdenab: what time does hwclock say it is ? |
| 20:32.25 | perdenab | same as the other apps, 1 hr behind actual DST |
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| 20:32.31 | RolandU | should the changes done by alsaconf be permanent? |
| 20:32.34 | abrotman | perdenab: are you in indiana? |
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| 20:32.43 | perdenab | EST |
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| 20:32.55 | perdenab | date(1) shows EST |
| 20:33.13 | perdenab | and as i mentioned, during non-DST months, time is correct |
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| 20:33.25 | abrotman | perdenab: what about in /etc/timezone? |
| 20:33.37 | perdenab | EDT |
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| 20:33.54 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 20:34.01 | abrotman | it will say like US/Eastern |
| 20:34.06 | jkohen | I'm sorry to interruput. Can someone provide a rebuilt libxfixes3 from sid? |
| 20:34.10 | jengelh | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Timezones_optimized.png |
| 20:34.20 | perdenab | $ date |
| 20:34.21 | perdenab | Wed Apr 12 15:34:14 EST 2006 |
| 20:34.24 | jkohen | I'm blocked out X without one. |
| 20:34.34 | netgod | anyone know why I can't switch VTs from X anymore? This config has worked for months |
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| 20:34.43 | Shadowcat | jkohen: you're not running XOrg 7.0 are you? |
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| 20:34.50 | kaeso | netgod: keyboard issue... |
| 20:34.57 | netgod | kaeso: heh no kidding |
| 20:35.08 | kaeso | netgod: *keyboard config |
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| 20:35.11 | jkohen | Shawocat, yes I am :) |
| 20:35.12 | netgod | kaeso: which package needs the bitchslap? |
| 20:35.16 | kaeso | netgod: sorry |
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| 20:35.28 | Shadowcat | jkohen: then deal with it, until the X Strike Team fixes it |
| 20:35.32 | Shadowcat | speaking of |
| 20:35.42 | Shadowcat | will SOMEONE ammend the topic about XOrg 7.0 |
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| 20:35.45 | Shadowcat | we KNOW it's broken |
| 20:35.49 | Shadowcat | and the requests are getting annoying |
| 20:35.50 | kaeso | netgod: xkb-data |
| 20:35.51 | jkohen | Shadowcat, you are not being helpful. The problem was identified. |
| 20:35.52 | mortal__ | amend |
| 20:36.01 | Shadowcat | jkohen: well it hasn't been fixed yet |
| 20:36.09 | mortal__ | what is this ammount ammend thing |
| 20:36.09 | Shadowcat | wait until it gets fixed |
| 20:36.23 | gary | in bash, or shell in general, is it possible to execute/visit a webpage from the command line. Say you have: www.mysite.com/somefile.php is it possible to hit that file/execute it from command line, so you can then build it into a script? |
| 20:36.27 | Shadowcat | or, if you're skilled enough to fix it yourself, go edit the source |
| 20:36.44 | jkohen | Shadowcat, I read in the BTS that a recompile is enough, that's why I'm here. |
| 20:36.50 | netgod | gary: yes, execute wget from the script |
| 20:37.00 | mhall | Wed Apr 12 13:37:00 PDT 2006 |
| 20:37.01 | Shadowcat | jkohen: recompile and submit upstream? |
| 20:37.10 | perdenab | here is the timezone solution: export TZ=US/Eastern |
| 20:37.11 | mhall | it's 1337 time |
| 20:37.23 | jkohen | Shadowcat, recompile in Debian. That's what I just read in the BTS. |
| 20:37.27 | gary | netgod: thanks! |
| 20:37.37 | Shadowcat | jkohen: I know |
| 20:37.43 | Shadowcat | you can do it yourself with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:37.46 | gary | netgod: I thought that would work, but I did try it, produced errors. Must be the file I'm trying to execute. Thanks again |
| 20:37.57 | jkohen | Shadowcat, I was expecting somebody to actually have tried that, and it would save me a lot of time to get the package from somebody else. |
| 20:37.57 | netgod | gary: if you need cookies, you may need to do it from within perl |
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| 20:38.00 | netgod | mhall: re |
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| 20:38.15 | Shadowcat | jkohen: might wanna bug the people in #debian-devel |
| 20:38.23 | Shadowcat | although they're probably even more tired of this by now |
| 20:38.25 | mhall | netgod: well there was one who helped me when i was a newbie in... 1998 or so |
| 20:38.38 | jkohen | Shadowcat, I tried #debian-x, but I wasn't allowed to enter. Thanks for the suggestion, for what it's worth. |
| 20:38.47 | mhall | netgod: but then disappeared, the issue is i suppose netgod's a mighty popular name =) |
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| 20:39.02 | netgod | mhall: don't be silly, i do remember you |
| 20:39.06 | jade | they say cacti is a rrdtool. what is rrdtool mean? |
| 20:39.10 | mhall | netgod: sorry i wasn't sure |
| 20:39.11 | Shadowcat | any ops around? |
| 20:39.13 | Azar | mhall nice to see you again: it is your turn to help us now |
| 20:39.18 | netgod | netgod is too egotistical a name to be popular |
| 20:39.32 | mhall | netgod: that wouldn't stop most IRC users i've encountered |
| 20:39.37 | netgod | mhall: hehehehh |
| 20:39.44 | mhall | netgod: in any case, wb old friend |
| 20:40.10 | mhall | Azar: yeah i've been a bit quiet, politics went over my level of patience :/ |
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| 20:40.30 | Azar | bah forget politics, join the fun side of the channel |
| 20:40.32 | gnufan | jade: google he say round robin database (RRD) |
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| 20:40.59 | mhall | netgod: well what's crazy is, that was back when i was in HS, so now i've nearly graduated high school and i already have a job, thanks to the UNIX knowledge i gained starting in here. |
| 20:41.02 | jade | gnufan, thanks |
| 20:41.05 | netgod | mhall: ive been quite because market conditions changed; been kinda wandering the country looking for something to do |
| 20:41.14 | netgod | mhall: heh cool |
| 20:41.28 | mhall | oops typo |
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| 20:41.34 | mhall | netgod: nearly graduated *college* |
| 20:41.40 | netgod | mhall: with the kind of knowledge you have, university will waste your time for years before teaching you new compsi |
| 20:41.45 | netgod | oic |
| 20:41.54 | netgod | mhall: excellent |
| 20:42.02 | mhall | netgod: yeah there was some time wastage but it was alright |
| 20:42.15 | gnufan | Eeek I'm picking up random conversations on my head phones again -- time to kick rythmbox to drown them out. |
| 20:42.17 | mhall | netgod: i went to a small university so i could ask questions when bored |
| 20:42.25 | mhall | gnufan: heh |
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| 20:42.34 | mhall | gnufan: RF interference? |
| 20:42.48 | minerale[d] | I have enabled x11 forwarding, but it does not seem to be working, $DISPLAY is not set when I log in... |
| 20:43.04 | mhall | netgod: so during this country wandering, what's happened? |
| 20:43.06 | jade | does SIGKILL leave file handles open? |
| 20:43.29 | gnufan | mhall: I hope so otherwise I'm hearing voices ;) |
| 20:43.36 | mhall | gnufan: lol! |
| 20:43.44 | mhall | jade: hmm good question |
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| 20:44.17 | deadcat | i am on xorg 7.0 no nvidia at the moment |
| 20:44.24 | stew | minerale[d]: /msg dpkg sshx ; /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 20:44.39 | Shadowcat | !ops please put something in the topic about XOrg 7.0 |
| 20:44.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please put something in the topic about XOrg 7.0 |
| 20:45.12 | deadcat | ya. so i dont complain |
| 20:45.14 | mhall | jade: The function _exit() terminates the calling process "immediately". Any open file descriptors belonging to the process are closed; |
| 20:45.25 | helix | put what about xorg 7.0? |
| 20:45.29 | helix | "hi it's in unstable" or? |
| 20:45.31 | jade | mhall, how did you know that? |
| 20:45.50 | deadcat | helix: "wait 3 weeks" |
| 20:45.52 | Shadowcat | deadcat: I know, but lots of people have during the course of the day |
| 20:45.59 | madclicker | which package replaces "routed" in sarge ? |
| 20:46.02 | kaeso | helix: from #debian-devel's topic: "X11R7 enters unstable. Beware of mass fuckage" |
| 20:46.09 | Shadowcat | something along the lines of "We know it's fucked, stop asking" |
| 20:46.11 | helix | kaeso: oh, that's a good one :) |
| 20:46.17 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 20:46.22 | mhall | jade: ah let me point you there: manpages-posix and manpages-posix-dev, of non-free |
| 20:46.25 | mhall | helix: salutations |
| 20:46.30 | abrotman | helix: wait .. can you add something else also? |
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| 20:46.39 | kaeso | helix: it's on #debian-it too :) |
| 20:46.42 | abrotman | helix: add this URL please .. http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 20:46.48 | mhall | kaeso: in it_IT ? |
| 20:46.49 | jade | mhall, thanks |
| 20:47.06 | *** topic/#debian by helix -> xorg 7.0 in unstable, BEWARE UNSTABLE: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable | stable kernel DSA (1017-1) fixes multiple security bugs | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 20:47.08 | deadcat | i heard someone (gravity) mentioned that the gtk2-engines-industrial theme is fucked too. because the nice mouse cursor theme is now back to the boring black/ugly thing |
| 20:47.08 | mhall | jade: i tried the manpages to abort '3 exit' and finally _exit |
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| 20:47.22 | abrotman | helix: thank you! |
| 20:47.23 | kaeso | mhall: no, letterally the same... |
| 20:47.24 | helix | mhall: greetings |
| 20:47.28 | abrotman | !helixsnack |
| 20:47.32 | abrotman | !helixsnack helix |
| 20:47.43 | mhall | abrotman: great bot command ftr |
| 20:47.45 | stew | jogurt! |
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| 20:47.57 | mhall | stew: or even yogurt |
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| 20:48.15 | mhall | netgod: i'd say the net was mocking god =) |
| 20:48.33 | netgod | mhall: heh i remember the time when I would scoff at an X problem like this |
| 20:48.42 | mhall | i think i do too |
| 20:48.47 | netgod | mhall: i'm out of practice -- debians been so good its spoiled me |
| 20:48.55 | helix | oh netgod is here again |
| 20:48.56 | mhall | netgod: haha i know that feeling |
| 20:49.13 | mhall | netgod: but being a relatively loud crazy bastard, it doesn't seem to stop me |
| 20:49.14 | netgod | my X was held at 6.9.0, so everything works except the VT |
| 20:49.18 | netgod | mhall: heh |
| 20:49.27 | action09 | is xorg 7.0 buggy or doesn't start after dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:49.38 | Azar | action09: read topic |
| 20:49.40 | helix | hoho |
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| 20:49.47 | mhall | netgod: there was some German dude who used to help me too back then but for the life of me I can't remember his name |
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| 20:50.41 | netgod | mhall: as for me, i left san francisco and tried los angeles for a couple years, then went back to SF this january to grab some money, then headed into the mountains |
| 20:50.41 | mhall | netgod: he was the one that pointed me to the debian CD vendor since i had dialup back then *shudder* |
| 20:50.41 | netgod | mhall: i'm in denver now |
| 20:50.42 | RolandU | If I run alsaconf, sound works perfectly. However after rebooting it does not work until I run alsaconf....... should the changes done by alsaconf be permanent or do I need to do something else? |
| 20:50.42 | netgod | heh dialup, that takes me back |
| 20:50.42 | action09 | Azar oups sorry :) |
| 20:50.42 | jengelh | Does anyone know of a memory tester for sparc that runs at the kernel level (i.e. like memtest86)? |
| 20:50.42 | mhall | netgod: do you get odd jobs or full-time stuff or what? |
| 20:50.42 | netgod | these days, even the cellular laptop connections are broadband |
| 20:50.43 | mhall | jengelh: hmm that's a tough one |
| 20:51.00 | netgod | mhall: nah I just trade hardware on craigslist |
| 20:51.03 | mhall | jengelh: the open boot has some diagnostics but one seriously doubts these to be as good as mt86 |
| 20:51.08 | Supaplex | can you toss the memory in an x86 machine? |
| 20:51.14 | mhall | netgod: nickel by nickel eh? |
| 20:51.14 | jengelh | possibly, should be EDO |
| 20:51.17 | netgod | mhall: i'm too disillusioned with the computer industry |
| 20:51.21 | action09 | just one question, do i need -always- to do a dist upgrade on sid, and never an apt-get upgrade ? my opinion is yes |
| 20:51.22 | mhall | Supaplex: that's kinda fucked up memory sometimes |
| 20:51.27 | jengelh | heh where the hell do I get EDO RAM machines nowadays :p |
| 20:51.32 | netgod | mhall: heh yeah, tho nickles can go far once youve left california |
| 20:51.39 | Supaplex | the $internet |
| 20:51.42 | mhall | netgod: no kidding |
| 20:51.43 | stew | action09: do you understand what the difference is? |
| 20:51.58 | DimmuR | Hi all does any1 knows any application that reads extended info from .doc, .odt, etc files and writes into file (which i can use in shell script) ? |
| 20:52.03 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 20:52.04 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 20:52.15 | abrotman | jengelh: my closet |
| 20:52.19 | jengelh | nah thanks |
| 20:52.24 | mhall | netgod: if you roll back through here sometime, i certainly owe you $BEVERAGE |
| 20:52.26 | netgod | DimmuR: can openoffice do it as a batch script? |
| 20:52.32 | abrotman | jengelh: they still sell it if you really want it |
| 20:52.37 | jengelh | i'll think i know someone with some ol K6 boards |
| 20:52.39 | blondie | mew |
| 20:52.40 | netgod | mhall: where are u these days? |
| 20:52.44 | Shadowcat | odt is just a fancy name for a zip file |
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| 20:53.15 | mhall | netgod: still in northern CA, attended a local university about 40 miles from my parents |
| 20:53.15 | jengelh | pk3 is also a fancy name for a zip, as is jar |
| 20:53.15 | netgod | as is .jar -- must be some stigma against calling stuff 'zip' |
| 20:53.20 | stew | .ear! |
| 20:53.22 | mhall | netgod: when i get out, i'll roll to Roseville, and work for HP |
| 20:53.23 | netgod | heh |
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| 20:53.30 | netgod | mhall: cool |
| 20:53.30 | fiendskull9 | hello |
| 20:53.33 | fiendskull9 | any programmers in here? |
| 20:53.41 | deadcat | no |
| 20:53.42 | DimmuR | netgod: not sure if it can - some doc's can be damaged and there is about 150.000 files to segregate (i wanted to make work easier and use file info to segregate it) |
| 20:53.43 | Shadowcat | that depends |
| 20:53.44 | stew | fiendskull9: if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 20:53.46 | Shadowcat | are you paying? |
| 20:53.46 | netgod | fiendskull9: on a unix channel? unlikely :-) |
| 20:53.46 | leaveone | i know C++ |
| 20:53.53 | gnufan | netgod: who ever heard of a coffee zip -- didn't fit the branding |
| 20:53.53 | mhall | fiendskull9: no there aren't any needed to develop debian |
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| 20:53.56 | fiendskull9 | well |
| 20:54.03 | netgod | gnufan: point |
| 20:54.06 | fiendskull9 | im not sure if im supposed to talk about it in here |
| 20:54.07 | mhall | fiendskull9: it compiles itself on demand from raw source code |
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| 20:54.08 | fiendskull9 | but |
| 20:54.15 | deadcat | then no |
| 20:54.27 | fiendskull9 | im looking to start my own debian based distro |
| 20:54.30 | Azar | fiendskull9: hacking debian code? |
| 20:54.40 | mhall | oh man |
| 20:54.45 | fiendskull9 | Azar, what do i use to start a debian based distro then? |
| 20:54.54 | Shadowcat | get out here! |
| 20:54.58 | fiendskull9 | Im just currious |
| 20:54.59 | stew | fiendskull9: /msg dpkg repository |
| 20:55.00 | leaveone | haha this is funny |
| 20:55.02 | mhall | titty biscuits Shadowcat |
| 20:55.15 | Azar | fiendskull9: horror... well you are free to do whatever |
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| 20:55.16 | netgod | DimmuR: lets hope it can, cause OO is the only program with any real hope of opening all those proprietary .doc files |
| 20:55.22 | fiendskull9 | im sorry for asking, christ |
| 20:55.30 | mhall | fiendskull9: calm down |
| 20:55.34 | fiendskull9 | well |
| 20:55.35 | netgod | DimmuR: theres things like doc->html converters, but they suck |
| 20:55.38 | mhall | fiendskull9: we're just giving ya a bit of heckling |
| 20:55.39 | fiendskull9 | all of you are freaking out it seems like |
| 20:55.45 | Azar | fiendskull9: it is ok :) start it then when you done show it to us |
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| 20:55.50 | mhall | fiendskull9: no we're just goofy people on IRC =) |
| 20:55.52 | fiendskull9 | im looking for any interested programmers |
| 20:55.53 | gnufan | fiendskull9: most people make do with a metapackage that just grabs what they need -- why do you think a new distro is needed? |
| 20:56.01 | DimmuR | netgod: i don't want open it - i just want to check who was the author and copy it into separate folder |
| 20:56.03 | leaveone | fiendskull9, heh i was just laughing at the whole thing.. not you |
| 20:56.19 | fiendskull9 | gnufan, im in a rut between distros. and i know from exspierence alot of people are too |
| 20:56.28 | netgod | DimmuR: and you want to do this without parsing the file? neat trick |
| 20:56.28 | deadcat | i dont see why i need laptop-detect package on a desktop.. but its required |
| 20:56.31 | DimmuR | netgod: and i'm almost sure that there is some soft that can read it (i'm after 17h recovering data so thats why i ask here for help) |
| 20:56.37 | mhall | fiendskull9: the 'ubuntu is too much for idiots' rut? ehehe |
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| 20:56.53 | mhall | fiendskull9: and the 'debian does not release enough stuff' rut? lol |
| 20:56.56 | netgod | hehehehe |
| 20:57.11 | netgod | fiendskull9: are you making a dist for a special purpose, like debian/iPod? |
| 20:57.14 | mhall | fiendskull9: these, my friend, are ruts well traveled |
| 20:57.16 | DimmuR | netgod: opening 150000 files takes much much time... i wanted to write some bash script that helps me with it |
| 20:57.16 | action09 | stew i think yes but tell me i'm wrong :/ apt-get upgrade" (does all the "noninterfering" package upgrades). apt-get dist-upgrade" (This does package upgrades that require installing or removing some other package.) taken from the wiki, for my understanding, i mean a dist upgrade will upgrade packages and dependencies taken from this packages, so as new dependencies are upgraded all day on sid, i'm choosing to dist-upgrade alw |
| 20:57.16 | action09 | ays, because not a simple 'upgrade' can have unmet dependencies no ? |
| 20:57.32 | Azar | bah fiendskull9 enough men here (maybe women too) are already riding sid with all they want... but they know how to drive it |
| 20:57.37 | fiendskull9 | mhall, sort of, i love ubuntu. its got a great community, but ive been loving mepis, but it has low support. i love slack, but it isnt debian. i like fedora, but not RPM. i want to have alot of features that other distros use, with a debian (mainly for the apt-get) backend |
| 20:57.41 | bulio|lap | I just chose a desktop install for debian |
| 20:57.44 | mhall | DimmuR: i missed some of your thread-- what kind of file are you trying to crack open |
| 20:57.45 | bulio|lap | what does that install for me? |
| 20:57.49 | netgod | DimmuR: set up a SAN, configure a cluster and open them all in parallel |
| 20:58.01 | netgod | DimmuR: that is, if your boss is paying actual money :-) |
| 20:58.01 | DimmuR | mhall: office and openoffice documents (generally) |
| 20:58.06 | mhall | fiendskull9: alright, the first thing to do is to get a written charter of everything you want to do |
| 20:58.13 | bulio|lap | I just chose a desktop install for debian |
| 20:58.15 | bulio|lap | what does that install for me? |
| 20:58.28 | Azar | bulio|lap: a desktop |
| 20:58.31 | mhall | DimmuR: and you want to check out the author field, yes? |
| 20:58.35 | fiendskull9 | mhall, ok. i know a little (very little) c and c++. and im learning python. |
| 20:58.43 | bulio|lap | Azar: Gnome desktop + apps +xfree86? |
| 20:59.01 | netgod | fiendskull9: good you havent been corrupted by java .. learn lisp instead |
| 20:59.01 | fiendskull9 | mhall, but im good at teamwork, and could do the graphics. and im very good at php. |
| 20:59.02 | stew | action09: yeah you understand then. so it really depends on if any of the installed packages you are upgrading have a changing dependency that will require a new package to be installed or removed. running dist-upgrade is fine, as long as you are paying attention, esp. to what it wants to remove |
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| 20:59.08 | dondelelcaro | bulio|lap: and kde, amongst other things |
| 20:59.17 | Azar | bulio|lap: oh I see.. uh not sure I only installed bare bones base |
| 20:59.17 | DimmuR | mhall: yes if this field is not empty i just want to read it and then copy into prepared folder |
| 20:59.17 | gnufan | action09: I do "apt-get upgrade" in unstable -- unless and until I'm sure I can cope with whatever dist-upgrade will do. Case of dry running it and seeing what the effect will be. Life in unstable has no guarantees -- you want then you run stable |
| 20:59.22 | fiendskull9 | netgod, lol. my stepdad has been trying to get me to learn java, but i have no use for it. |
| 20:59.23 | bulio|lap | how can I cancel it? |
| 20:59.29 | mhall | fiendskull9: from this point it'll take a few years so you'll have to be mighty dedicated to make it work |
| 20:59.34 | bulio|lap | Its downloading via apt, how can I cancel apt? |
| 20:59.52 | deadcat | contrl c |
| 20:59.56 | mhall | DimmuR: these openoffice documents, are they odt or sxw? |
| 20:59.58 | bulio|lap | ok |
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| 21:00.16 | netgod | fiendskull9: well you might need to deploy it with apache, maybe, but its kindof silly to expect to be writing huge applications in it -- the companies that would hire people for that would hire them in asia instead |
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| 21:00.24 | mhall | DimmuR: i can try to help you figure out a way to crack them open |
| 21:00.30 | blondie | hello |
| 21:00.31 | DimmuR | mhall: odt,sxw, and openoffice calc (dont remember them) and impress (and the same for microsoft office) |
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| 21:00.40 | netgod | fiendskull9: if its just you and a friend coding, you can get much farther with perl or python or lisp |
| 21:00.45 | mhall | DimmuR: not the easiest project you have got |
| 21:00.47 | fiendskull9 | netgod, ok |
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| 21:01.03 | action09 | stew ok thanks for your answer :) do you think it's a good begavior to do first an upgrade before a dist upgrade ? or all the days an upgrade and once a week a dist upgrade (but looking in statusofUnstable before ?) i mean i can't find 'official' debian recomendations on this point |
| 21:01.11 | mhall | fiendskull9: C# is getting popular as well since there's a free open source version |
| 21:01.20 | fiendskull9 | netgod, it might get 1/3 finished and be lying around for a long time. it just sounds like a fun project. |
| 21:01.34 | fiendskull9 | is there a channel about making distros? lol |
| 21:01.38 | netgod | thats the important thing |
| 21:01.43 | DimmuR | mhall: i know but i'm almost sure that it can be read without reading all file (i thin 1/3 = 50.000 files has author so its 1/3 work less...) |
| 21:01.46 | gnufan | fiendskull9: then you'll have to convince abrotman you can't do everything you want with Debian -- assuming you want a good support channel guy ;) |
| 21:01.59 | fiendskull9 | whos abrotman? |
| 21:02.00 | stew | action09: you can always just upgrade and see what is held back. and decide what to do, if you want to actually upgrade the held back packages you can apt-get install them which will force them to be upgraded |
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| 21:02.10 | action09 | ok |
| 21:02.14 | netgod | fiendskull9: define your purpose, then create a new channel |
| 21:02.14 | mhall | DimmuR: why bother, 100,000 is not *that* many |
| 21:02.26 | Azar | fiendskull9: if you want to sart a new distro, you have to work at it, then show it to whomever is interested, nobody will start doing it for you |
| 21:02.27 | netgod | fiendskull9: theres always people looking for a new challenge, after all |
| 21:02.32 | mhall | DimmuR: the time you spend doing it without reading the whole file could be spent doing the task |
| 21:02.54 | deadcat | yay. no more X on my desktop (= |
| 21:02.58 | DimmuR | mhall: the difference is that now i'm at home where i have no those files and i can find way to make my tomorrow's work simpier |
| 21:03.03 | action09 | deadcat \0/ |
| 21:03.12 | action09 | ;) |
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| 21:03.18 | deadcat | (= i just blew it up |
| 21:03.18 | netgod | DimmuR: theoretically, you're right |
| 21:03.28 | mhall | DimmuR: the best use of your time today would be figuring out how to read and extract the contents of all those fields |
| 21:03.39 | mhall | DimmuR: premature optimization is what you need to avoid |
| 21:03.41 | Azar | deadcat, interesting, I have X but not desktop |
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| 21:04.03 | mhall | deadcat: wtf did you do |
| 21:04.10 | fiendskull9 | Azar, i know. im deffinately going to be dedicated to it. im not just gonna throw it at people. But the problem for me is running a repo. i dont really have the money to rent a high bandiwht ftp server. (im 14). and im also in the middle of some other projects, im working with an independent game developing team. but there is some downtime right now, and im itching for a project. |
| 21:04.21 | deadcat | Azar: i have it. but just mouse cursor is fucked, font is fucked. using NV right now. |
| 21:04.25 | deadcat | mhall: went to 7.0 |
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| 21:04.38 | mhall | deadcat: you took the plunge eh? |
| 21:04.43 | netgod | DimmuR: pragmatically, most of the libs that understand those files also assume you're going to open and hold the whole thing in memory; you may end up writing special libs, which would take more time than youre saving |
| 21:04.44 | strider | deadcat: haha, enjoying Xorg7 ;) |
| 21:04.45 | Azar | deadcat: ah, taking the thrill with 7 |
| 21:04.45 | fiendskull9 | on a different subject for me |
| 21:04.46 | deadcat | mhall: someone tricked me |
| 21:04.54 | deadcat | strider: no.. hehe |
| 21:05.04 | stew | fiendskull9: there are like 143,000 other linux distros that are out there already, you would probably be more productive to find one that is close to what you are looking for and try to help improve it |
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| 21:05.19 | fiendskull9 | i installed Debian from a network install last week. and when i tryed to install x, or anything with apt. it told me it "cant remove e2fsprog" |
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| 21:05.43 | mhall | deadcat: that's teh sux |
| 21:05.45 | Azar | fiendskull9: what stew said: if you have no money to finance your own project go help other distros that are there already |
| 21:05.53 | DimmuR | netgod: i found 1 soft for windows (not usefull for me bcause i use linux at work but it means that it can be done): http://fileprofile.com/Development/html_tools/metadata_miner_catalogue_pro/ |
| 21:05.55 | cappuchino | hi |
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| 21:06.01 | fiendskull9 | stew, that was the original seed in my head. But if its a big distro (lie ubuntu or mepis) then i cant really make vast desicions. |
| 21:06.19 | deadcat | mhall: its ok. spring break next week for me. (= |
| 21:06.32 | fiendskull9 | Is it legal for me to take say a mepis iso, extract it. and work on it? but not re-distribute as my own work? |
| 21:06.37 | Azar | fiendskull9: so you are sort of new at debian, and you only gave it one week? hmmm |
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| 21:06.45 | mhall | deadcat: and you're gonna spend it fixing your box? |
| 21:06.46 | seele_ | please help with queke 2 ... I can't see colors ... and appear only half screen |
| 21:06.48 | netgod | fiendskull9: isn't mepis GPL? |
| 21:06.49 | stew | fiendskull9: as long as you make the source code available |
| 21:06.50 | deadcat | fiendskull9: no. you can just dont work on it and call it whatever you want |
| 21:06.52 | fiendskull9 | Azar, i only use debian based distros, but i wanted to try real debian. lol |
| 21:06.53 | mhall | deadcat: wtf is that about hehe |
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| 21:07.14 | deadcat | mhall: nope. i am saying i dont have to write any papers so no X is ok |
| 21:07.19 | Azar | fiendskull9: it took me almost 3 years to get to know debian, how come you think you know it in one week? |
| 21:07.20 | netgod | cyb0org: how pray, tel |
| 21:07.26 | mhall | deadcat: whew hehe |
| 21:07.26 | Zwirchi | does somebody know where i can get a tutorial to make all keys on my keyboard work if i use putty with sarge? |
| 21:07.31 | mhall | deadcat: had me goin for a sec |
| 21:07.36 | fiendskull9 | deadcat, im not saying call it something else, but keep it for myself. i know it would kind of void support (if i changed something big). |
| 21:07.38 | deadcat | (= |
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| 21:07.44 | mhall | deadcat: you could always write em in TeX |
| 21:07.54 | mhall | deadcat: </troll> |
| 21:08.05 | deadcat | mhall: i guess. then i will have to learn TeX (= |
| 21:08.10 | deadcat | openoffice is for dummies. |
| 21:08.14 | deadcat | like me |
| 21:08.28 | netgod | openoffice is for secretaries |
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| 21:08.32 | Zmanu | hi |
| 21:08.33 | fiendskull9 | Azar, i didnt say i know it in one week. Ive used debian based distros since i was about 11 or 12. and i wanted to try "Debian" the distribution. |
| 21:08.40 | Azar | netgod: and accountants |
| 21:08.44 | deadcat | netgod: good point |
| 21:08.51 | Zmanu | is there some people who can help me to configure bitlbee ? |
| 21:09.03 | deadcat | Zmanu: #bitlbee |
| 21:09.04 | Azar | fiendskull9: you do not know debian: do not judge it by the distros like ubuntu |
| 21:09.09 | Zwirchi | is that a configuration issue of putty or my debian if i get "~" when i press pos1, end, pgup, pgdown .. on my keyboard? |
| 21:09.21 | Zmanu | deadcat, I try, that say unvailable |
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| 21:09.40 | Azar | for debian newbies: debian is not ubuntu or mepis or whatever other distro, it is just DEBIAN |
| 21:09.41 | deadcat | Zmanu: check their site. |
| 21:09.43 | fiendskull9 | Azar, im not dude. I was stating that i had a problem, i couldnt apt anything. it must have been a bad burn, or maybe i funked something up while installing. |
| 21:10.05 | netgod | Zwirchi: home/end should work, at least; do clrl-a and ctrl-e work? |
| 21:10.11 | deadcat | all i hear is complain complain complain |
| 21:10.12 | Azar | fiendskull9: because you did not configure your surces for debian or properly |
| 21:10.21 | mhall | netgod: we need a macho office suite, heh |
| 21:10.32 | fiendskull9 | Azar, but whats that have to do with not being able to remove e2fsprog? |
| 21:10.43 | Zwirchi | netgod: yes ctrl a and e work |
| 21:10.47 | netgod | mhall: i think richard stallman wrote one a long time ago, only it was mistaken for a text editor |
| 21:10.57 | Azar | fiendskull9: because you maybe are not using the proper debian commands |
| 21:11.08 | mhall | netgod: haha |
| 21:11.15 | Azar | you havent learned debian you fiddled with ubuntu toy |
| 21:11.35 | Azar | he used ubuntu and he thinks he had debian, what a mistake |
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| 21:12.04 | fiendskull9 | Azar, su. password: <my password>, apt-get install gnome, are you sure you would like to install 218mb of packages?: y. packages downloaded. <error: cannot remove e2fsprog> |
| 21:12.07 | mhall | Azar: lighten up |
| 21:12.24 | fiendskull9 | mhall, he doesnt understand what im saying |
| 21:12.27 | Azar | mhall you are right, im over this now |
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| 21:12.41 | fiendskull9 | Azar, ok, now can i explain myself please? |
| 21:12.52 | DimmuR | mhall: i found something like that: http://ooo-tools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:13.13 | stew | fiendskull9: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
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| 21:13.33 | fiendskull9 | thanks stew |
| 21:13.40 | mhall | DimmuR: yeah that's the kind of stuff you're looking for |
| 21:13.45 | holden_ | hi question. how do i get firefox to lauch XPDF when I click on a link to a PDF file? |
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| 21:14.00 | dim | hi guys |
| 21:14.06 | dim | relocation error: /var/lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __on_exit, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 21:14.18 | netgod | dim: i hate it when that happens |
| 21:14.27 | DimmuR | mhall: i think it would be usefull that's why i'm putting it here (maybe some1 else will solve problems using this answer) |
| 21:14.30 | dim | i get this error message while trying to run some old proprietary binary on a sarge system |
| 21:14.37 | dim | any help or tip, guys ? |
| 21:14.43 | mhall | DimmuR: i think i can dig you up another tool if you hold on a sec |
| 21:14.48 | netgod | dim: heh youre making this too easy :-) |
| 21:15.04 | dondelelcaro | dim: run that binary in a chroot of an older system. |
| 21:15.14 | dim | you can't imagine how much I'd prefer it to be easy :) |
| 21:15.24 | dim | my work begins AFTER that point, after all |
| 21:15.25 | dondelelcaro | dim: or get it rebuilt against sarge/replace it with free software. |
| 21:15.30 | fiendskull9 | Azar, I never ever said i "know" debian. I simply had a problem with it. im sure Billions of people have had problems. what else would an IRC support channel be for? Ive used more than ubuntu, and im NOT judging debian by ubuntu and mepis. I NEVER said i didnt like debian because i had a small error. infact, im fixing to try it again this weekend since stew helped me, unlike you who just criticized me for no reason. Obviously, you ski |
| 21:15.31 | fiendskull9 | pped a few lines of what i said towards the top. |
| 21:15.46 | dim | dondelelcaro: my work is to replace it with free software |
| 21:15.48 | DimmuR | mhall: if i don't sleep (i didn't sleep since 30hours :/) |
| 21:15.51 | netgod | dim: the easy answer is rewrite your app in open source; failing that, the chroot should work |
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| 21:16.10 | dim | but to be able to do this, i have to have the two systems running and compare them and all |
| 21:16.15 | dondelelcaro | dim: also, why exactly is it linking against /var/lib/libpthread.so.0? |
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| 21:16.22 | mhall | DimmuR: libwv-1.2-1 - Library for accessing Microsoft Word documents |
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| 21:16.29 | Xamusk | hello |
| 21:16.31 | dim | it's a symlink to its own libpthread.so |
| 21:16.42 | dondelelcaro | dim: uh... that's horribly broken... |
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| 21:16.54 | Xamusk | some two days ago there was a problem with the locales package |
| 21:16.56 | dondelelcaro | dim: remove that symlink, and have it link against the real libpthread |
| 21:17.04 | dim | dondelelcaro: that's proprietary system :( |
| 21:17.04 | mhall | DimmuR: wv - Programs for accessing Microsoft Word documents |
| 21:17.08 | netgod | dim: it needs its own libc6 too then; _2.0 isn't defined anymore, and pthread is too intimately connected with glibc to be a different version |
| 21:17.11 | dim | i don't have any source |
| 21:17.14 | dondelelcaro | (or have it link against both its libpthread, and libc6.) |
| 21:17.18 | mhall | DimmuR: * wvSummary: Displays the summary information stream of all OLE2 files, |
| 21:17.25 | mhall | DimmuR: i.e. Excel, PowerPoint, Visio, Access, etc. |
| 21:17.31 | dondelelcaro | dim: doesn't matter; you should be able to change the libraries it links against at will |
| 21:17.33 | dim | strings /lib/libc.so.6 | grep GLIBC :: GLIBC_2.0 |
| 21:17.42 | Xamusk | looks like the sid package was already fixed, but my locale stayed in POSIX |
| 21:17.51 | netgod | thats interesting, thought it was _2.2 now |
| 21:18.06 | mhall | DimmuR: * wvRTF: Converts to Microsoft's Rich Text Format. |
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| 21:18.19 | dim | netgod: i obtain much more information than that, but this one is the first line out |
| 21:18.26 | Xamusk | running dpkg-reconfigure locales apparently solved the problem for root, but not for my user. How do I fix that? Where does this information go? |
| 21:18.30 | DimmuR | mhall: the thing is that i dont need to convert it :) i just need author :D |
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| 21:18.47 | dondelelcaro | dim: nm is the proper tool to look at symbols. |
| 21:18.52 | netgod | dim: can u drop in a libc6.so from its era? |
| 21:18.54 | dim | dondelelcaro: by changing the symlink destination ? |
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| 21:19.07 | netgod | dim: LD_PRELOAD? |
| 21:19.07 | dondelelcaro | dim: by removing the symlinks entirely. |
| 21:19.14 | dim | libpthread.so.0 -> /opt/informix/lib/libifxpthread.so |
| 21:19.31 | dim | i'm trying |
| 21:19.56 | stew | wow |
| 21:20.08 | mhall | DimmuR: right but those tools will 1) let you get the summary info (Author) and 2) convert to RTF to look for other info you need because RTF's plain text you could process with AWK, shell, perl, etc. |
| 21:20.10 | dondelelcaro | ah yes... YA example of IBM on crack. |
| 21:20.46 | DimmuR | mhall: you're absolutely right :) |
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| 21:21.07 | DimmuR | mhall: i have almost installed wv packet already |
| 21:21.13 | netgod | IBM makes its own stuff in their research labs, their crack is pretty potent, and addictive if youre a big enterprise |
| 21:21.37 | Xamusk | does anyone know how do I fix the locale of a specific user to be the same as the system's locale? |
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| 21:21.58 | madclicker | how can i sync two local directories one on hda the other on hdd ? |
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| 21:22.27 | netgod | madclicker: rsync -var /mnt/hda1 /mnt/hdd1 (from/to) |
| 21:22.29 | Thanatermesis | stew ping |
| 21:22.30 | dim | dondelelcaro: good, it works |
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| 21:22.39 | stew | Thanatermesis: hi |
| 21:22.41 | netgod | madclicker: assuming you have rsync, which is well worth getting |
| 21:22.51 | mhall | DimmuR: no source o_O |
| 21:22.55 | dim | my latter try was to replace the link, not remove it |
| 21:22.56 | dim | thx |
| 21:22.58 | madclicker | netgod, thank you |
| 21:23.23 | holden_ | question. i keep getting this message: unable to lookup [hostname] via gethostbyname(), where hostname is the name of my machine. why's that? how do i fix the problem? |
| 21:23.51 | mhall | netgod: 14:21 < netgod> IBM makes its own stuff in their research labs, their crack is pretty potent, and addictive if youre a big enterprise <-- golden prose; truer words haven't yet been spoken |
| 21:24.12 | Zwirchi | netgod: i got it work with a custom .inputrc file |
| 21:24.16 | netgod | holden_: the app that keeps saying that might be broken; that said, put your hostname info in /etc/hosts with a text editor |
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| 21:25.03 | holden_ | netgod: associated to what ip? 127.0.0.1? or the network IP? |
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| 21:25.23 | netgod | holden_: 127.0.0.1 if your net id isnt static (but leave the localhost entry as is) |
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| 21:26.04 | holden_ | netgod: the machine has a static IP. still 127.0.0.1 or its IP? |
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| 21:26.06 | DimmuR | mhall: i think the best solution for now is wvSummary |
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| 21:26.19 | cd | ññ |
| 21:26.19 | netgod | holden_: might as well put its real IP there |
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| 21:26.26 | holden_ | netgod: thanks |
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| 21:26.36 | plasmoduck | hi, i setup sendmail, but I want some sort of webmail interface for users to check their mail |
| 21:26.41 | plasmoduck | how do I do this? |
| 21:27.01 | netgod | plasmoduck: heh theres only like 45 of those packages; take your pick |
| 21:27.04 | mhall | DimmuR: now your next course of action if you don't feel like passing is make one of each kind of doc, and make a shell script that cracks each one open with the tools and moves it to the right spot |
| 21:27.16 | mhall | DimmuR: s/passing/passing out/g |
| 21:27.22 | netgod | plasmoduck: squirrelmail maybe? |
| 21:27.43 | gnufan | plasmoduck: install dovecot and squirrelmail -- life if sweet.... you can even try it out if you ask me nicely ;) |
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| 21:29.02 | gnufan | !start an mta war |
| 21:29.02 | dpkg | exim has an evil license |
| 21:29.11 | DimmuR | mhall: i know :) i just needed soft that use it on 1 file in terminal so i can write bash scripts :D |
| 21:29.59 | mhall | yoo: yoohoo |
| 21:30.03 | mhall | or rather |
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| 21:30.05 | mhall | yoo: hoo |
| 21:30.07 | netgod | bourne shell was great for its day, but its day was like, August 1982 |
| 21:30.27 | netgod | gnufan: point |
| 21:30.34 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 21:30.42 | mhall | DimmuR: yeah that's always the starting point :) |
| 21:31.22 | yoo | somebody know how to make a heading with date on afio archive ? |
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| 21:31.44 | DimmuR | mhall: after all it's not first time i write scripts in bash :) |
| 21:32.19 | mhall | DimmuR: good cause if it was, i'd say you'd be screwed, hehehe |
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| 21:33.03 | DimmuR | mhall: i'm using debian for almost 3 years (the same installation) :) there is no way not to write some scripts :) |
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| 21:33.14 | mhall | I wonder if chickens laugh at naked rubber humans. |
| 21:33.22 | rvca | hahahaha |
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| 21:33.24 | mhall | DimmuR: you would be surprised |
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| 21:33.59 | netgod | using ubuntu, you wouldn't have to (which is an argument for not using ubuntu) |
| 21:34.16 | DimmuR | ubuntu is not debian for me :) |
| 21:34.28 | mhall | DimmuR: s/for me//g |
| 21:34.38 | DimmuR | hehe |
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| 21:34.49 | StereoSkit | dudes debian 3.1r1 is testing right? |
| 21:34.56 | surge | I'm booting from a floppy, but it prompts me to enter a USB device if I want. What do I need to have on the USB for the install to start? |
| 21:35.06 | chealer | !tell StereoSkit about 3.1 |
| 21:35.07 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,3.1 |
| 21:35.07 | dpkg | hmm... 3.1 is sarge |
| 21:35.14 | StereoSkit | tnx |
| 21:35.26 | yanmorin | and sarge is stable |
| 21:35.48 | chealer | heya yanmorin ;) |
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| 21:36.22 | yanmorin | hi chealer |
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| 21:36.38 | gnufan | StereoSkit: I think 3.1r1 was the point release of Sarge from December 2005 - where they didn't fix the bug I found yesterday despite it being filed much earlier :( |
| 21:36.42 | DimmuR | mhall: great thanks for help finding wv |
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| 21:38.29 | Azar | did anyone seen my nick parting just one min ago? |
| 21:38.31 | mhall | DimmuR: you bet, i'd noticed it before so i just had to run apt-cache search word | grep -i word | grep -iv wordlist | grep -iv dictionary |
| 21:38.37 | Azar | test |
| 21:38.48 | jpng81 | hj nem cumprimento n?inguem se não kickam-me |
| 21:38.49 | StereoSkit | gnufan: damn so im downloading the wrong iso image? |
| 21:38.56 | mhall | Azar: not in my log |
| 21:39.03 | mhall | !tell jpng81 about portuguese |
| 21:39.07 | StereoSkit | i though 3.1 was sarge, and 3.1r1 the corrected one |
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| 21:39.17 | Azar | thank you mhall, I am getting one min disconnections and I can't diagnose |
| 21:39.17 | netgod | gnufan: cause stable also means conservative to the point of paranoia |
| 21:39.19 | StereoSkit | i mean with sources.list corrected |
| 21:39.23 | mhall | Azar: odd |
| 21:39.31 | DimmuR | mhall: nice query :) added to history :] |
| 21:39.36 | Azar | mhall technicians are coming today to check my router |
| 21:39.36 | netgod | gnufan: what if that fixing that broke something else? in a "stable" system? they'd never hear the end of it |
| 21:39.40 | jpng81 | uppps, wrong server |
| 21:39.41 | gnufan | StereoSkit: Sarge 3.1 is fine for installs -- it will upgrade itself as soon as you run the first update |
| 21:39.42 | mhall | DimmuR: perhaps it gives you some ideas |
| 21:39.47 | meredydd | hmm |
| 21:39.51 | chealer | StereoSkit: 3.1 does not necessarily refer to 3.1r0 |
| 21:39.54 | mhall | Azar: that's good but also bad |
| 21:39.56 | DimmuR | mhall: i'm sure it will :) |
| 21:40.09 | meredydd | Okay, I did a dist-upgrade (I'm running unstable), and something went very very wrong |
| 21:40.17 | Azar | mhall 3 year old zyxel prestige 600 I guess it needs be replaced |
| 21:40.25 | netgod | meredydd: cool, that means a Learning Experience is about to occur |
| 21:40.30 | yanmorin | meredydd: what your system is "unstable"? |
| 21:40.36 | StereoSkit | gnufan: theres gonna a debianday here so im downloading the dvd iso images for giving away to the assistants, i expect 3.1r1 has sources.list corrected |
| 21:40.42 | jpng81 | whatever, i?l stay arround here... english is no problem for me |
| 21:40.43 | meredydd | I'm now getting "The following packages have unmet dependencies" messages...the joys. |
| 21:40.55 | meredydd | yes, netgod, thank-you. |
| 21:41.04 | chealer | StereoSkit: the problem you're reffering to was fixed in 3.1r0a |
| 21:41.14 | meredydd | oh, hey, StereoSkit |
| 21:41.16 | StereoSkit | chealer: excelent tnx |
| 21:41.22 | StereoSkit | meredydd: hey ^_^ |
| 21:41.28 | meredydd | So...is "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" a really stupid thing to try? |
| 21:41.37 | AlienX | is there a known issue regarding nvidia in xorg 7.0.1 in sid? I just ran m-a auto-install nvidia then nvidia-xconfig, rebooted the box and X gave me an error saying that it cannot find the nvidia module. Is there a known fix? |
| 21:41.56 | gnufan | StereoSkit: we built a local mirror for our last Debian day - 5 minutes, and severals days of downloading (the days before 8Mbps broadband) but it allowed a lot of installs and experimenting on the day |
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| 21:42.04 | chealer | AlienX: check the BTS |
| 21:42.16 | grendal_prime | is there a front end app for installing individual .deb's, something i can tire into the kde desktop so when users click on a downloaded pkg it will launch |
| 21:42.19 | gnufan | StereoSkit: we just mirrored x86 |
| 21:42.24 | AlienX | chealer, i did, couldn't find anything useful |
| 21:42.39 | grendal_prime | (that is not for me by the way im tring to make things as simple as possible for a friend) |
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| 21:42.49 | chealer | AlienX: you checked the BTS for nvidia-graphics-drivers? |
| 21:43.03 | StereoSkit | gnufan: thats a good option.. i could probably make a replica on my isp |
| 21:43.14 | meredydd | Oh, well. What's the worst that can happen? |
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| 21:43.42 | mhall | netgod: 14:40 < meredydd> yes, netgod, thank-you. <--- sadly these experiences aren't always appreciated :P |
| 21:43.55 | bulio|lap | having a problem when using Startx |
| 21:44.11 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 21:44.12 | bulio|lap | Warning: font rendered for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 21:44.22 | bulio|lap | a bunch of different things like that |
| 21:44.23 | bulio|lap | ] |
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| 21:45.05 | AlienX | chealer, i did and just looked again but there doesn't seem to be anything with regard to X not finding the nvidia module |
| 21:45.08 | yanmorin | bulio|lap: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/11/msg00042.html <-- something like that? |
| 21:45.13 | bulio|lap | and Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensiobs/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found |
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| 21:46.33 | bulio|lap | aren't I using xfree86 on sarge though? |
| 21:46.37 | bulio|lap | and how do I fix it? |
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| 21:47.25 | chealer | AlienX: which version of nvidia-graphics-drivers do you use? |
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| 21:48.13 | chealer | bulio|lap: what's the problem? |
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| 21:48.24 | AlienX | chealer, it looks like 8178 (whichever is current in sid) |
| 21:48.46 | chealer | AlienX: 8178 is not in sid. |
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| 21:48.58 | bulio|lap | starx gives an error |
| 21:49.11 | chealer | bulio|lap: which one? |
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| 21:49.26 | bulio|lap | Warning: font rendered for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 21:49.29 | bulio|lap | a bunch of different things like that |
| 21:49.32 | bulio|lap | and Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensiobs/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found |
| 21:49.48 | AlienX | chealer, ack. Actually it looks like 8756 |
| 21:50.04 | plasmoduck | gnufan, I already have sendmail setup |
| 21:50.08 | plasmoduck | do I really need dovecot? |
| 21:50.16 | plasmoduck | and can I try it out please? |
| 21:50.18 | chealer | AlienX: ...more precisely% |
| 21:50.29 | bulio|lap | is there a way I can fix xfree86? |
| 21:50.32 | chealer | bulio|lap: these are errors? |
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| 21:51.01 | AlienX | chealer, nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-686_1.0.8756-2+2.6.15-8_i386.deb |
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| 21:51.06 | yanmorin | theses look like debuging warning... |
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| 21:51.52 | chealer | AlienX: are you sure you want to debug that problem when the version you use is known to not support X11R7? |
| 21:52.03 | bulio|lap | got it :) |
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| 21:52.23 | bulio|lap | shoot |
| 21:52.27 | bulio|lap | got it, but under root only |
| 21:52.28 | AlienX | chealer, that was my initial question if there is a known issue and/or a fix. |
| 21:52.56 | tobb | I have no /proc/mtrr but /proc/cpuinfo says it has the mtrr flag, do I have to load any module on sarge to get mtrr? (celeron) |
| 21:53.03 | bulio|lap | shit |
| 21:53.16 | bulio|lap | Xfree86 runs when I'm root |
| 21:53.18 | bulio|lap | but not user |
| 21:53.22 | bulio|lap | why would that be? |
| 21:53.31 | chealer | AlienX: there is a known issue with <=1.0.8756-2 and X11R7, I don't know if there's one about the module though |
| 21:54.12 | yanmorin | bulio|lap: permission or old xfree user config |
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| 21:54.38 | AlienX | chealer, thanks for that info. I appreciate it. |
| 21:55.02 | bulio|lap | yanmorin: how would I give permission, or replace xfree config? |
| 21:55.06 | DimmuR | gn8 everyone and thanks for help |
| 21:55.24 | rickb|server | Hello.. I am using debian obviously.. I am trying to configure my system to use DHCP. It doesn't aquire an address, yet the other windows computer on the network recieve a DHCP assigned address. Any ideas? |
| 21:56.06 | mhall | rickb|server: the fact that you use debian is not so obvious anymore |
| 21:56.40 | rickb|server | I'm new to debian, I am using it because Xorom bundled debian with the PBX server.. |
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| 21:57.02 | mhall | rickb|server: firstly, check /etc/network/interfaces, make sure pump, dhcpcd, or dhcp-client or dhcp3-client are installed |
| 21:57.10 | rickb|server | k |
| 21:57.29 | mhall | rickb|server: man interfaces for help editing the file |
| 21:57.43 | bulio|lap | well can anyone help me here? |
| 21:57.47 | bulio|lap | Only root is able to startx |
| 21:57.52 | mhall | rickb|server: of course you'll probably also want to configure apt-get with /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:57.56 | mhall | bulio|lap: one sec |
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| 21:58.28 | mhall | bulio|lap: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common and select console users only |
| 21:58.38 | jpng81 | does anyone know how to install nvu??? |
| 21:58.55 | Shadowcat | I would guess aptitude install nvu |
| 21:59.05 | mhall | jpng81: it's in debian: nvu - Complete Web Authoring System |
| 21:59.10 | mhall | Shadowcat: precisely! |
| 21:59.11 | chealer | jpng81: which release do you use? |
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| 21:59.22 | bulio|lap | mhall: still nothing |
| 21:59.30 | jpng81 | i make apt-get install nvu |
| 21:59.35 | jpng81 | and it does nothing |
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| 21:59.41 | mhall | bulio|lap: ok well you've not explained your error message |
| 21:59.51 | CoolCubix | jpng81> maybe it's already installed... |
| 21:59.53 | mhall | bulio|lap: so there's no more help to be given until you find it |
| 21:59.56 | azeem | jpng81: it's only in testing and unstable |
| 22:00.02 | mhall | !tell bulio|lap about no screens found |
| 22:00.10 | chealer | azeem: nvu isn't in testing |
| 22:00.12 | jpng81 | impossible to find pakage |
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| 22:00.18 | mhall | !tell bulio|lap about troubleshooting x |
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| 22:00.57 | johaBBa | is anyone successfully using p-ata and s-ata drives together in the same machine? |
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| 22:01.19 | azeem | chealer: packages.debian.org/nvu says so, dunno |
| 22:01.20 | mhall | johaBBa: that should work fine |
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| 22:02.07 | peterS | mhall: the problem is when your FP unit and your L1 cache mingle together in odd ways |
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| 22:02.54 | bulio|lap | There is just a bunch of warnings |
| 22:03.02 | mhall | peterS: hehe |
| 22:03.14 | peterS | mhall: I suppose you're trying to think of the next thing beyond "solid state electronics"? |
| 22:03.15 | mhall | bulio|lap: :-( |
| 22:03.27 | mhall | peterS: it was prompted by 15:01 -!- Liquid_Ic [n=Liquid_I@ool-4573cc11.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian |
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| 22:03.38 | Silent_[a]l | hello, is it possible to connect to a vnc server on windows, using vnc for linux? |
| 22:03.39 | peterS | ahhh. I missed that. |
| 22:03.52 | mhall | peterS: my mind is odd |
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| 22:03.53 | chealer | azeem: hum, it's not, but that is pretty strange :? |
| 22:04.01 | bulio|lap | could not init font path element unix:/7100, removing from list |
| 22:04.06 | mhall | peterS: i did however find somebody in #kde who thinks the same way or so |
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| 22:04.21 | mhall | bulio|lap: non-fatal, just means you don't have xfs - x font server |
| 22:04.25 | peterS | that must be a little scary |
| 22:04.37 | bulio|lap | mhall: I suppose I need to download it? |
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| 22:05.00 | chealer | azeem: the RC bug does suggest that something unclean happened with it in testing. but there are no more i386 binaries |
| 22:05.01 | peterS | bulio|lap: no, things should work just as well with or without xfs |
| 22:05.14 | bulio|lap | so then why won't it let me start as user? |
| 22:05.29 | mhall | bulio|lap: some other reason- be patient and keep looking |
| 22:05.29 | dx | hi. by default bind9 uses port 953. how can I set to use port 53 ? |
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| 22:05.47 | peterS | dx: wtf? since when did it use anything other than port 53? |
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| 22:06.09 | dx | peterS, since i have installed bind9. |
| 22:06.30 | peterS | dx: wait, are you talking about outgoing packets or incoming? |
| 22:06.36 | bulio|lap | I don't get it |
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| 22:06.41 | bulio|lap | it must be a permission thing, no? |
| 22:06.42 | peterS | dx: it should always listen on port 53. it may transmit on some other port. |
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| 22:07.14 | dx | peterS, yep i know. but i've just installed sarge and apt-get install bind9. it's there binded on 953. |
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| 22:07.52 | mhall | dx: fgrep -ir 953 /etc |
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| 22:08.32 | dx | mkhl, heh there isn't nothing relationed with bind. |
| 22:08.41 | dx | *is |
| 22:08.50 | bulio|lap | It was working fine before :( |
| 22:09.20 | mhall | dx: my nick's a tough one to spell eh |
| 22:09.29 | peterS | Kids in the Mhall |
| 22:09.40 | bulio|lap | mhall: does a user need to run a config utility? |
| 22:09.46 | mhall | peterS: i'm crazy enough of a bastard without that |
| 22:09.47 | mhall | bulio|lap: no |
| 22:09.59 | mhall | peterS: it'd be like a trojan horse |
| 22:10.03 | bulio|lap | then I'm at a loss :( |
| 22:10.14 | bulio|lap | Root logs into it fine, but user can't |
| 22:10.15 | mhall | peterS: you think you get mhall / but then he's even crazier than you recall |
| 22:10.38 | mhall | peterS: which you can't understand at all / after how long you'd known mhall |
| 22:11.10 | gcbirzan | By default, bind binds on 953 for the control thingy. rndc |
| 22:11.21 | peterS | weren't you in a made-for-TV opera by Menotti? Mhall and the Night Visitors? |
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| 22:11.59 | peterS | of course Menotti spelled your name Amahl, but that's almost an anagram |
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| 22:12.21 | gcbirzan | It also binds on an UDP port and sends queries from tat one. |
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| 22:12.55 | kreuter | howdy, #debian. is there a more specific channel than this one for debian on mac/powerpc hardware? |
| 22:13.00 | olax | Hello all. Is there anyone here who has gotten gnome's NetworkManager functioning properly on sid? |
| 22:13.06 | peterS | kreuter: #debianppc exists |
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| 22:13.24 | kreuter | peterS: so it does. thanks. |
| 22:13.54 | bulio|lap | found the problem! |
| 22:14.31 | bulio|lap | how do I stop gdm from launching? |
| 22:14.53 | peterS | Stevie: so you can boot it from 52 floppies? |
| 22:14.57 | plasmoduck | whats the command to copy a folder? |
| 22:15.26 | bulio|lap | how do I stop GDM from loading up? |
| 22:15.28 | peterS | bulio|lap: simplest way is just to uninstall gdm with 'apt-get remove gdm' |
| 22:15.40 | Stevie | perterS: no, 416K SSDD 5.25" floppies |
| 22:15.42 | bulio|lap | yeah, but it keeps launching, and I wanna go to a console |
| 22:15.42 | azeem | !nodm |
| 22:15.42 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:15.45 | peterS | bulio|lap: since if you don't want it to start at boot time, normally you wouldn't want it at all |
| 22:15.53 | Stevie | err K |
| 22:15.55 | bulio|lap | I just need to change something |
| 22:15.59 | Stevie | no K, just 416 |
| 22:16.04 | bulio|lap | in a /home dir, and I'll fix my X problem |
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| 22:16.16 | plasmoduck | whats the command to copy a folder? to another dir? |
| 22:16.17 | Octave_Octet | Which package is handling $LANGUAGE |
| 22:16.23 | azeem | chealer: indeed |
| 22:16.49 | peterS | Octave_Octet: I think 'locales' is what shoves that setting into /etc/environment |
| 22:16.59 | bulio|lap | so is there a way I can bypass GDM? |
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| 22:17.12 | peterS | bulio|lap: you should read what dpkg told you a moment ago |
| 22:17.27 | peterS | she's very wise |
| 22:17.38 | stew | and pregnant |
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| 22:17.45 | Octave_Octet | peterS: Well I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales but it seems to act on $LANG not $LANGUAGE |
| 22:17.46 | Stevie | who's the father? |
| 22:17.50 | peterS | right, and pregnant |
| 22:17.53 | Octave_Octet | I have an error message at the end |
| 22:17.56 | Octave_Octet | *** update-locale: Error: LANGUAGE ("fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en") is not compatible with LANG (fr_FR@euro) |
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| 22:18.26 | mhall | Octave_Octet: yeah i get that too now |
| 22:18.30 | peterS | Octave_Octet: you can remove LANGUAGE from /etc/environment if you wish, it seems to have almost as many problems as advantages |
| 22:18.35 | k31th | I need more space on my server i was thinking about adding two 250gig drive via usb2 or firewire and raiding them as mirror. Anyone see any problems with this ? |
| 22:18.38 | mhall | Octave_Octet: i can't make it go away but it does not seem to fuck up anything |
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| 22:18.48 | k31th | and what is best usb2 or firewire ? |
| 22:18.48 | Octave_Octet | I have problems in openoffice |
| 22:18.51 | mhall | Stevie: 73MB kernel? wtf? |
| 22:18.57 | Octave_Octet | I cannot type such things as ê |
| 22:19.01 | plasmoduck | Warning: fsockopen(): unable to connect to localhost:143 in /var/www/squirrelmail/src/configtest.php on line 249 |
| 22:19.02 | plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.04 | Octave_Octet | (it works in other apps) |
| 22:19.07 | peterS | k31th: they're both well supported in linux, for most devices |
| 22:19.23 | k31th | peterS: yes, is usb2 safe etc ? |
| 22:19.24 | plasmoduck | it might be port 25 or 150? |
| 22:19.25 | mhall | peterS: heh =) |
| 22:19.27 | peterS | k31th: firewire is probably better for what it does, usb2 is more versatile in that there are more devices that use it |
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| 22:19.45 | bulio|lap | to start gnome, I use stargnome right? |
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| 22:19.50 | mhall | peterS: that'd be funny... mhall in an opera |
| 22:20.11 | mhall | you know maybe we should all go to the spamming morons link and overload his site |
| 22:20.27 | jcindc | wondering if anyone can help with a vague problem. I have Sarge installed, and everything was great for a while. Then we moved the servers, and now, intermittently, the server stops responding on the network for 5 minutes at a time. |
| 22:20.31 | peterS | mhall: hey, I participated in "Amahl and the Night Visitors" just a few months ago. I didn't realise at the time that Menotti was referring to you but misspelled it |
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| 22:20.50 | RolandU | hi all! can you read me? |
| 22:21.07 | resiak | Nope. |
| 22:21.17 | peterS | jcindc: first thing I'd check is the switches / routers, that doesn't sound like a typical server-side problem |
| 22:21.41 | stew | jcindc: anything show up in /var/log/syslog or dmesg when it happens? |
| 22:21.45 | jcindc | hmm, it's a Dell switch, could potentially be a troublesome port |
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| 22:22.13 | phretor | hi there |
| 22:22.18 | mhall | peterS: yes there's references to me throughout everything, cause i'm mad crazy important like that |
| 22:22.24 | RolandU | I have problems with alsa. My system forgets the changes done by alsaconf after reboot. Already searched for information for a long time. Either nobody knows or it's too simple to write down??? |
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| 22:22.29 | Ronin | or at least crazy mhall |
| 22:22.31 | peterS | jcindc: but if for example you have a switch loop and the switches don't speak STP ... stuff like that |
| 22:22.31 | mhall | time for an exam now, g2g |
| 22:22.43 | mhall | Ronin: peterS and i go back a long ways |
| 22:22.45 | plasmoduck | ERROR: Error connecting to IMAP server. Server error: +OK ? |
| 22:22.55 | stew | RolandU: put the name of the module in /etc/modules |
| 22:23.04 | stew | RolandU: or do you mean settings like mixer settings? |
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| 22:23.27 | amee2k | are the default USE flags ok for a first install? |
| 22:23.32 | RolandU | no, I have three soundcards (only using one) two get loaded at boot, the third not |
| 22:23.33 | phretor | I'm on stable (and I must keep it stable) is there any (debian) way to use php 4.4.x instead of 4.3.10-16 that comes with the stable? |
| 22:23.47 | stew | plasmoduck: do you have a imap server running on the machine runing squirrelmail? |
| 22:23.49 | mhall | !tell phretor about backports |
| 22:23.54 | mhall | !tell phretor about easy sid backport |
| 22:23.59 | amee2k | oops wrong chan |
| 22:24.06 | RolandU | stew, my module is in /etc/modules |
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| 22:24.23 | stew | RolandU: is an oss driver also getting loaded at boot? |
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| 22:25.02 | bulio|lap | what is the command to start gnome in /home/bulio/.xinitsession? |
| 22:25.07 | phretor | mhall: do they work 'forward' too? |
| 22:25.18 | jcindc | peterS/stew: I switched the port on one of the cables... it has 2 interfaces, both go down with this happens... and none of the other servers on the network do this |
| 22:25.27 | RolandU | stew, I am not sure, the oss-drivers are the ones without the "snd-" in front, correct? |
| 22:25.33 | stew | RolandU: yes |
| 22:25.46 | plasmoduck | stew, im running sendmail, thats all I know |
| 22:25.58 | RolandU | no oss then, I believe I don't even have one. |
| 22:26.07 | stew | plasmoduck: sendmail is an smtp server, not an imap server, you need an imap server to use squirrelmail |
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| 22:26.40 | plasmoduck | stew, can you recommend one? |
| 22:26.45 | stew | plasmoduck: dovecot |
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| 22:27.45 | bulio|lap | what is the command to start gnome in /home/bulio/.xinitsession? |
| 22:27.45 | RolandU | stew, I think there is one driver too much in /etc/modules |
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| 22:27.53 | Arawn | Hi for all |
| 22:27.55 | bulio|lap | I know for KDE it is startkde |
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| 22:28.18 | Arawn | I have a problem with my sound on my debian, who can help me ? |
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| 22:28.36 | surge | Is there a way to install debian by copying packages over on a USB pen a few at a time? |
| 22:28.43 | stew | Arawn: you have to tell us the actual problem before anyone can help |
| 22:28.52 | Arawn | yes, thank. |
| 22:29.02 | stew | surge: how big is the usb key? |
| 22:29.10 | phretor | mhall: did you get my question? |
| 22:29.11 | surge | stew: 256MB |
| 22:29.19 | Ronin | surge: netinstall isnt an option? |
| 22:29.20 | stew | surge: /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 22:29.43 | surge | Ronin: Nope, there are no binaries for my NIC. |
| 22:29.45 | Arawn | I use Alsa, Arts and teamspeak. When I launch teamspeak, the sound of my speaker is on my microphone |
| 22:29.48 | surge | stew: Cheers/ |
| 22:29.58 | RolandU | stew, thanks for telling me about /etc/modules - I think I found what's wrong, however I will need to reboot a few times now to check. |
| 22:30.00 | RolandU | cya |
| 22:30.02 | jcindc | nothing seems to be in the syslog that makes me worry |
| 22:30.07 | jcindc | lots of exim spam |
| 22:30.09 | Arawn | My friends listen music on my speakers. |
| 22:30.10 | stew | surge: oh, you might not want usb-install then, i was assuming you could do a netinst with 170mb image |
| 22:30.12 | phretor | mhall: actually, I do not need to *back*port but to install *one* package coming with the unstable tree |
| 22:30.23 | Ronin | surge: really? how damn old is that nic? :) |
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| 22:30.34 | surge | Ronin: Not old, just odd I believe. |
| 22:30.40 | stew | surge: which nic? |
| 22:30.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:30.40 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:30.43 | surge | stew: Nevermind then, thanks. |
| 22:30.49 | surge | stew: The driver is rt2500 |
| 22:30.53 | plasmoduck | stew, I had pop3ad |
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| 22:31.05 | stew | plasmoduck: you need imap4 not pop3 |
| 22:31.05 | surge | It's a wireless PCMCIA card. |
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| 22:31.24 | beered | my time zone gets out of whack occasionaly. tgconfig is setup OK. I'm not sure where the problem is. Any suggestions? |
| 22:31.50 | beered | e.g. ntpdate[7986]: step time server 17.254.0.27 offset 25200.787622 sec |
| 22:31.53 | grendal_prime | were having a hard time getting dri working on this matrox 250. any advice or sample xfree86 config files would be greatly appreciated |
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| 22:31.58 | stew | surge: well you can use the usb-install method to get a base install on there, then install packages by putting them on the usb and installing them using apt-move or apt-cdrom |
| 22:32.31 | AciD | !xorg |
| 22:32.31 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 22:33.24 | grendal_prime | Oh stew spealing of wich..you know of a front end package installation tool? |
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| 22:33.47 | grendal_prime | something i can put on a machine so that a user can select a package and it fire up apt? |
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| 22:34.01 | stew | grendal_prime: dselect,aptitude,synaptic |
| 22:34.12 | grendal_prime | ya those work for repositorys |
| 22:34.17 | stew | grendal_prime: dpkg -i |
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| 22:34.28 | bulio|lap | how do I install QT for gnome? |
| 22:34.35 | azeem | ? |
| 22:34.56 | bulio|lap | I need libqt3c-102-mt to install Opera |
| 22:34.57 | azeem | bulio|lap: Qt gets automatically installed if you apt-get an application needing it |
| 22:35.25 | beered | my time zone gets out of whack occasionaly. tgconfig is setup OK. I'm not sure where the problem is. Any suggestions? |
| 22:35.34 | bulio|lap | azeem: I can't apt-get opera |
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| 22:35.49 | stew | bulio|lap: apt-get install libqt3c102-mt |
| 22:35.52 | azeem | bulio|lap: why not? |
| 22:35.59 | surge | stew: Hmm, it says in the hd-media directory I can find an iso to install a base system. I can't seem to see it anywhere though. |
| 22:36.18 | bulio|lap | it isn't in the repos |
| 22:36.35 | bulio|lap | there |
| 22:36.35 | azeem | bulio|lap: opera is not free software |
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| 22:38.09 | stew | surge: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r1/main/installer-i386/rc3/images |
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| 22:38.55 | holden_ | hi channel. im getting this error "X-Server does not support shape extension" when running and osd function. i'm using Xorg from etch. i checked my xorg.conf file and it's loading the module "extmod" which is supposed to provide the shape extension functionality. any ideas? |
| 22:38.55 | surge | stew: Yea, I've got that page, but I see no ISO images. |
| 22:39.32 | stew | surge: http://debian.org/CD |
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| 22:40.05 | bbeck | is there any easy way to allow VNC to take over an existing X session? I'm using debian sarge if it matters. |
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| 22:40.16 | stew | bbeck: use the rfb server |
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| 22:40.43 | bbeck | is that a special X server? |
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| 22:41.09 | CleeK | bbeck: look at x11vnc |
| 22:41.11 | stew | bbeck: no, its a vnc server |
| 22:41.20 | lightcap | how do I find out why a particular message isn't going anywhere in exim4? I can send mail with no issue to my gmail account, but when I try another of my email addresses there seems to be no attempt to even try to send it, it goes straight into the queue and sits there |
| 22:41.33 | surge | stew: Ah right, netinst, got it, cheers. |
| 22:42.15 | Brenner | how package I have to install in Debian to the command exportfs works? |
| 22:42.34 | stew | Brenner: nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server |
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| 22:44.22 | Brenner | I do this (apt-get install nfs-user-server) but the command exportfs doesn't work |
| 22:44.23 | plasmoduck | does popa3d support imap? |
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| 22:44.41 | lightcap | this is just wierd...I can't send mail to hotmail but I can to gmail... |
| 22:45.24 | plasmoduck | Error connecting to IMAP server: delta9.0xf050.org. |
| 22:45.24 | plasmoduck | 111 : Connection refused |
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| 22:46.23 | Brenner | ok, I try apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
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| 22:46.43 | stew | plasmoduck: pop3d and imap are completely separate |
| 22:47.04 | stew | plasmoduck: delta9.0xf050.org seems to be running a pop3 server but not an imap server |
| 22:47.04 | bulio | how do I compile ndiswrapper? |
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| 22:47.17 | stew | bulio: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:47.25 | E-bola | How do i get my onboard lan to work in debian? |
| 22:47.28 | E-bola | i have an nforce2 mobo |
| 22:47.31 | stew | Brenner: "doesn't work" isn't descriptive enough |
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| 22:47.47 | stew | E-bola: modprobe forcedeth |
| 22:48.01 | Ronin | stew: why not? i get that from my users everyday heh |
| 22:48.19 | stew | Ronin: did you crash the internet again? |
| 22:48.28 | E-bola | stew: umm dont i need rivers first? |
| 22:48.34 | bulio | but how do I take a .deb so I can bring it to a machine with no internet? |
| 22:48.40 | bulio | I need ndiswrapper on another machine |
| 22:48.40 | stew | !forcedeth |
| 22:48.41 | dpkg | i heard forcedeth is the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher |
| 22:48.59 | E-bola | ahh googling it now |
| 22:49.03 | dondelelcaro | bulio: floppy, usb stick, esp... |
| 22:49.05 | Ronin | stew: if i had my way i would heh |
| 22:49.05 | E-bola | it says its alpha and not too great |
| 22:49.13 | E-bola | why not use the nvidia drivers? |
| 22:49.26 | bulio | dondelelcaro: but I'd need thre apt-get .deb package |
| 22:49.32 | Brenner | I execute the command (exportfs > test) then I take a look in test and it is clear |
| 22:49.36 | stew | E-bola: works fine on my < 1 year old nforce motherboard |
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| 22:49.46 | Brenner | sorry, I have a little english |
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| 22:49.54 | plasmoduck | stew can you help me get a imap server going? |
| 22:50.01 | stew | E-bola: where do you see that it is alpha? |
| 22:50.10 | E-bola | http://kerneltrap.org/node/1606 |
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| 22:50.15 | stew | plasmoduck: apt-get install dovecot-imapd |
| 22:50.16 | E-bola | hehe just noticed its a 3 year old article though :) |
| 22:50.19 | lightcap | is there a way to increase the logging with exim (debian way) |
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| 22:51.15 | stew | E-bola: you might need to run "update-pciids" for your ethernet to be detected |
| 22:51.25 | bulio | ok getting a problem with m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 22:51.30 | bulio | something about kernel headers |
| 22:51.31 | plasmoduck | yes I got it |
| 22:51.37 | plasmoduck | but how do I get it working> |
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| 22:51.44 | E-bola | stew: rodger ile do that now then |
| 22:51.57 | E-bola | stew: do u knwo if forcedeth should come with debian sarge stock kernels? |
| 22:52.08 | evilbulgarian | hi, does scp support copy recursevly without following sym links |
| 22:52.25 | ifvoid | evilbulgarian: cp -a |
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| 22:52.35 | stew | E-bola: yes, it should |
| 22:52.36 | plasmoduck | stew, what now? |
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| 22:52.45 | evilbulgarian | ifvoid: well its not on the same pc |
| 22:52.51 | evilbulgarian | its on a remote pc |
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| 22:53.09 | ifvoid | evilbulgarian: ? |
| 22:53.11 | stew | plasmoduck: read /usr/share/doc/dovecot-imapd/README.Debian and /usr/share/doc/dovecot-common/README.Debian |
| 22:53.37 | plasmoduck | yes |
| 22:53.44 | plasmoduck | I gotta go to bed |
| 22:53.46 | plasmoduck | im too tired |
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| 22:54.37 | Ronin | plasmoduck: have a beer and keep going i say |
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| 22:57.16 | plasmoduck | Ronin, I would if I had beer |
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| 22:57.18 | plasmoduck | s |
| 22:57.20 | plasmoduck | later |
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| 22:57.46 | StanTheMan | ahewitt: you around? |
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| 22:58.03 | bulio | how would I put kernel headers on a CD? |
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| 23:00.59 | xored | i somehow think, he is messing up my charset when i import a dump through console(myxsql db < dump.sql) ( germans ae = ä etc). Someone a tip ? [mysql] |
| 23:01.01 | Brenner | Yes, I obtained! |
| 23:01.09 | Brenner | tx |
| 23:01.20 | Brenner | the server isnt started |
| 23:01.24 | beered | I have realtek RTL-8139 card. lsmod shows the module loaded, but I can't get to the net. |
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| 23:01.53 | Brenner | isnt no, wasnt |
| 23:02.21 | abrotman | beered: iirc .. there are two rtl8139 drivers |
| 23:03.54 | beered | abrotman: ah, got it. thanks. |
| 23:04.25 | E-bola | stew: besides modprobing forcedeth |
| 23:04.33 | E-bola | and running update-pciids, are there any other steps i should take? |
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| 23:04.58 | E-bola | eth1 Link encap:UNSPEC |
| 23:05.02 | E-bola | doesnt look like it works |
| 23:05.42 | stew | E-bola: dunno, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:05.59 | E-bola | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:07.04 | Ecnassianer | I setup up an svnserver -i entry in my inetd.conf file, and restarted my inetd. I can connect to the svn by using the file:// protocol, but I can't use the svn:// protocol. Anybody willing to help me troubleshoot it? |
| 23:07.16 | Ecnassianer | There doesn't seem to be a listening port on my box |
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| 23:09.07 | spundun | hi all... |
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| 23:10.20 | spundun | (I am not on debian.. but on debian website only I was able to find this source code) I downloaded the source files and the patch file and patched the libdwarf source code.. then did configure and make.. that worked.. but make install doesn't work. |
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| 23:11.03 | spundun | can you tell me if there is something special I need to do to install a package? |
| 23:11.11 | dondelelcaro | spundun: you want fakeroot debian/rules binary; and then dpkg -i ../*.deb; |
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| 23:11.58 | spundun | dondelelcaro: hmmm.... I want to install it in my home directory ~/local ... does your direction still apply? |
| 23:12.07 | dondelelcaro | spundun: uh... why do you want to do that? |
| 23:12.12 | Ronin | now why do that spundun |
| 23:12.12 | dondelelcaro | spundun: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:12.16 | dim | dbaccess: relocation error: dbaccess: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 23:12.21 | chaedaeX_ | o my gosh. i just did "chmod -R 660 info" and now ls -la info/ shows entries like this: ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? info/xfs |
| 23:12.27 | dim | dondelelcaro: this time the ln -s we saw is not implied |
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| 23:12.36 | yacc_ | hi. I have a sortof dual boot situation... a laptop I have has an internal drive that has winxp on it; I bought a larger drive (sata) I put in a eSata/usb2 enclosure; I |
| 23:12.40 | dim | dondelelcaro: could you please be of any help again ? :) |
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| 23:12.46 | dondelelcaro | dim: do an ldd on the binary, and see what it's resolving against. |
| 23:12.48 | spundun | dondelelcaro: I am trying to install this package in my home directory... as if compiled from source.... |
| 23:13.00 | dondelelcaro | spundun: why not just install the Debian package? |
| 23:13.13 | dim | dondelelcaro: nothing suspicious apart the linux-gate.so.1 which is new for me (but i've read some doc) |
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| 23:13.26 | dim | may i paste the 7 lines here ? |
| 23:13.32 | azeem | dim: no |
| 23:13.35 | azeem | !paster |
| 23:13.35 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 23:13.44 | yacc_ | installed debian on the usb drive; it booted and everything... but twice, something garbaged the usb drive's partition table |
| 23:13.49 | spundun | dondelelcaro: because I am not on debian (as I said earlier) .. (the reason why I am on this channel is because debian website is the only place I was able to find the source code). |
| 23:13.55 | dondelelcaro | dim: ldd -d -r will be of some use. |
| 23:13.58 | yacc_ | dim: thank you very much for asking first! :) |
| 23:13.59 | chaedaeX_ | oh duh. i need +x perms on the dirs |
| 23:14.02 | Ecnassianer | When I add a new entry to inetd.conf, should the port be "open" when I run nmap? |
| 23:14.06 | azeem | spundun: then just make && make install it |
| 23:14.07 | spundun | dondelelcaro: the original website is down. |
| 23:14.13 | azeem | don't bother with .debs |
| 23:14.15 | dim | symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference (/opt/informix/bin/dbaccess) |
| 23:14.16 | dondelelcaro | spundun: well, see how debian/rules is building the package, and install it locally the same way. |
| 23:14.21 | meneg | hi, anyone noticing xvideo (xv video out) not working on modular xorg? |
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| 23:14.26 | dim | yacc_: i'm used to some other paste systems :) |
| 23:14.42 | spundun | dondelelcaro: ok... sounds good.. thanks... |
| 23:14.52 | dim | i've heard about some compat lib |
| 23:15.05 | dim | it seems i can't find one for my sarge system |
| 23:15.23 | meneg | xvinfo tells me "no adaptors present" :( |
| 23:15.53 | yacc_ | so my question is... howcome my partition table gets fried?! |
| 23:16.22 | Stevie | cuz you put it in a frying pan? |
| 23:16.24 | yacc_ | I guess this time I'll back it up... but it'd be nice to know what's happening so I could avoid it at critical times |
| 23:16.42 | dim | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.47 | metropolitanlian | i could not find the lvm module anywhere in menuconfig, can some help me? |
| 23:17.13 | yacc_ | it's in md (multiple devices) probably under block devices |
| 23:18.50 | dondelelcaro | dim: yeah, you're going to have to run that in a chroot with the exact same libc as it's compatible with |
| 23:19.07 | dim | ok, what i though then |
| 23:19.07 | yacc_ | I'm pretty sure debian doesn't go around writing sector zero on random installed drives... does winxp like to mess with it? |
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| 23:19.23 | dim | chroot, debootstrap, woody install and all that jazz then ? |
| 23:19.43 | yacc_ | and has anyone encountered similar? |
| 23:19.51 | chungaroo | i'm on a home network with another windows xp computer. how do i configure my debian computer so that i can see xp's shared files? |
| 23:19.57 | azeem | dim: from when is that 3rd party app you're trying to run? |
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| 23:20.14 | abrotman | chungaroo: smbclient is one way |
| 23:20.31 | dim | azeem: i should have to search about to have this info |
| 23:20.40 | azeem | ok, nevermind then |
| 23:20.49 | dim | informix 9.30 is the app |
| 23:20.56 | chungaroo | abrotman, is there a way to do it through konquerer or a browser? |
| 23:21.11 | yacc_ | a database? |
| 23:21.23 | dim | yep |
| 23:21.24 | abrotman | chungaroo: i'm sure konq can do it .. but i don't use konq so i can't tell you how .. try smb://<hostname>/<share> |
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| 23:22.18 | dim | but i won't have to deploy it in production, hence a chroot env is an option |
| 23:22.19 | dondelelcaro | dim: I'd ask why you don't just dump informix and run postgresql instead... |
| 23:22.29 | dim | i'm doing it, guys |
| 23:22.31 | dondelelcaro | cool |
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| 23:22.49 | dondelelcaro | dim: if you have the dbm, you can probably just do it now... |
| 23:22.55 | dim | and for this i have to port some code, so make some unit testing against informix |
| 23:22.58 | yacc_ | dim: I was gonna ask you the same... have you checked out postgresql? |
| 23:23.11 | chungaroo | abrotman, thanks! that's awesome. =] |
| 23:23.16 | dim | i'm running a postgresql experts company :) |
| 23:23.37 | dim | and i'm struggling with informix on my sarge dev server |
| 23:23.40 | abrotman | chungaroo: lucky guess :) |
| 23:23.48 | chungaroo | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:23.53 | dondelelcaro | dim: cool; yeah, chroot is probably the sanest way then; figure out what setup they support, even if it's redhat, you can chuck it in a chroot just for informix and get it done. |
| 23:24.12 | dim | i'd prefer not to have it |
| 23:24.14 | chungaroo | abrotman, doesn't work in firefox though. =[ |
| 23:24.15 | xored | how to get the chraset of a specific file ? |
| 23:24.16 | yacc_ | dim: what made you choose informix to use for this? |
| 23:24.19 | dim | and the client i'm working for uses woody |
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| 23:24.46 | azeem | dim: see http://pvs.csl.sri.com/mail-archive/pvs-help/msg00664.html for a possible work-around, dunno if it helps |
| 23:24.50 | dim | yacc_: my client choosed informix long time ago and is now migrating to free software solution |
| 23:24.57 | yacc_ | why not have a woody chroot (I imagine you are already aware of that possibility) |
| 23:24.58 | dondelelcaro | dim: ah, yeah, then woody is pretty trivial; sudo mkdir woody; sudo debootstrap woody woody http://debian.usc.edu; or similar. |
| 23:25.17 | yacc_ | ohh, so you're porting him to pg? |
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| 23:25.39 | dim | azeem: thx for the info, but LD_ASSUME_KERNEL give me only segfaults |
| 23:25.51 | dondelelcaro | hehehe |
| 23:25.51 | azeem | heh |
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| 23:26.50 | nodens | hi there |
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| 23:27.10 | dim | debootstrap is running with a local (same datacenter) woody mirror |
| 23:27.17 | dim | thx for your help guys! |
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| 23:28.43 | abrotman | chungaroo: no . it won't .. konq has a special ability to do it .. |
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| 23:29.24 | dim | dondelelcaro: your debootstrap command gives me a fonctionnal environment ? |
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| 23:30.10 | yacc_ | yeah, you would chroot into it |
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| 23:30.18 | nodens | Is there a way to solve the Xkb problems with latest xorg, or should I wait a little more for another upload ? |
| 23:30.43 | gravity | nodens: Install xkb-data |
| 23:30.55 | nodens | gravity, already done so. won't suffice. |
| 23:30.59 | dim | i'm installing my alien'ed deb |
| 23:31.01 | gravity | nodens: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:31.07 | gravity | nodens: Your paths may be wrong |
| 23:31.14 | gravity | I need to warn people about that on upgrade |
| 23:31.25 | nodens | I fixed them, restarted configuration from scratch |
| 23:31.45 | gravity | Are you getting an error in your xorg log? |
| 23:32.17 | nodens | well, (WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 23:32.30 | Irrumator | nodens: try symlinking /etc/X11/xkb to /usr/share/X11/xkb |
| 23:32.39 | gravity | nodens: Then your paths are still wrong |
| 23:32.44 | minerale[d] | Hi, how can I enable tcp x11 forwarding on sarge? |
| 23:32.58 | minerale[d] | (w/out using ssh) |
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| 23:33.06 | dim | is the adduser operation safe from inside the chroot ? |
| 23:33.29 | nodens | I thought I fixed it by symlinking /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb to /usr/share/X11/xkb |
| 23:33.52 | nodens | but at the next restart, xkb was messed up again |
| 23:34.27 | nodens | (saw that path when stracing setxkbmap) |
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| 23:36.34 | xored | how to get the chraset of a specific file ? |
| 23:38.05 | nodens | Irrumator, done, didn't change anything. I'll try to fix the configuration again :) |
| 23:38.05 | dim | file specific_file |
| 23:38.23 | cartel_ | hi all |
| 23:38.44 | Irrumator | nodens: Well, I had the same problem yesterday. I made the aforementioned symlink and 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 23:38.57 | dim | su seems not to work from chroot env |
| 23:39.08 | grendal_prime | mpeg4 m4a ? is there an xmms plugin for this? |
| 23:39.09 | Irrumator | make sure it's actually writing the xorg.conf file; it might complain about the md5sum file missing at the end of the debconf screens |
| 23:39.27 | minerale[d] | I'm looking for a super-lightweight windowing manager... I've tried ratpoison, fluxbox... anyone know any others? |
| 23:39.36 | abrotman | !wm |
| 23:39.36 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. http://xwinman.org/ |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | minerale[d]: that last link shows a bunch |
| 23:39.48 | Azar | woohoo!!! flying like a supersonic! new router thank you |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | minerale[d]: though .. ratpoison is pretty light ... |
| 23:41.10 | Azar | test |
| 23:41.32 | nodens | Irrumator, I deleted the file to be sure :) |
| 23:41.51 | nodens | it did write the file |
| 23:41.54 | grendal_prime | nobody on the mpeg4? |
| 23:42.00 | nodens | there is no more nvidia stuff in it |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ask #xmms ? |
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| 23:42.53 | blurf | hello |
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| 23:43.07 | blurf | need some help installing debian |
| 23:43.13 | abrotman | what kind of help? |
| 23:43.16 | Irrumator | nodens: is XkbRules set to "xorg" in xorg.conf? |
| 23:43.22 | blurf | the installer doesnt find my hdd configured in raid0 |
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| 23:43.37 | Thanatermesis | how to convert a cue-bin to ISO ? |
| 23:43.38 | abrotman | blurf: configured how in RAID0 ? |
| 23:43.46 | yacc_ | so... are there any specific reasons why a usb drive could get its partition table garbaged? |
| 23:44.11 | blurf | SATA RAID0 on a ASUS P5LD2 with the RAID rom configuration when i boot (CTRL+I) |
| 23:44.20 | abrotman | so it's not real RAID ? |
| 23:44.31 | yacc_ | any more so than some other type of drive? other than that, all I can think is the winxp garbaged it |
| 23:45.01 | minerale[d] | I have a very slow an old computer... running somewhere else and I'm trying to use forwarded X... I was told that using straight tcp vs encrypted ssh I'd get faster connection... anyone know how to enable/where to enable tcp x forwarding? |
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| 23:45.14 | blurf | well it is configured with the utility when i boot the computer |
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| 23:45.21 | abrotman | that doesn't make it real raid |
| 23:45.26 | blurf | ok |
| 23:45.31 | nodens | Irrumator, yep. Checked that as well :/ |
| 23:45.35 | abrotman | it's probably software raid .. which is roughly the same as a winmodem |
| 23:45.40 | dvs | blurf: Intel 9xx chipset? |
| 23:46.05 | Irrumator | nodens: What are XkbModel and XkbLayout defined to? |
| 23:46.05 | blurf | yes dvs |
| 23:46.14 | abrotman | oh even better |
| 23:46.14 | blurf | 954SP |
| 23:46.20 | abrotman | !tell blurf about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 23:46.28 | nodens | Irrumator, pc105 and fr. both seem to exists in xkb directory... |
| 23:46.32 | yacc_ | well a winmodem is proprietary and drivers were originally hard to come by... I doubt software raid is like that... |
| 23:46.41 | dim | how can I chroot and then not be root any more |
| 23:46.45 | abrotman | blurf: let me check your board specs |
| 23:46.53 | blurf | ok thanks guys for helping me |
| 23:46.56 | blurf | me loves linux :P |
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| 23:47.12 | blurf | oh and i have another problem |
| 23:47.13 | dim | sorry |
| 23:47.15 | abrotman | dvs: it's still fakeraid |
| 23:47.24 | dim | the user was using /bin/false |
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| 23:47.36 | blurf | this installer wont find my ethernet card Marvel 88E8053 |
| 23:47.41 | dvs | abrotman: Yup. I agree |
| 23:47.43 | yacc_ | dim: you'd make a user and run as that |
| 23:47.47 | ramiroec | how is the "sources.list" line to add this address ? http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/koffice-1.5-sarge/ |
| 23:47.51 | abrotman | blurf: try the image dpkg just told you about |
| 23:47.56 | blurf | ok |
| 23:48.11 | dvs | ramiroec: bad |
| 23:48.16 | nadim | I have a hardware RAID on my system which I think is working fine - I'm accessing /dev/md0 and I'm wondering if this is the software or hardware raid that I'm accessing - is there anyway to know for a fact ? |
| 23:48.29 | meff | seems i've lost the ability to ctrl-alt-f# in x7, anyone know a fix? |
| 23:48.30 | nodens | nadim, md0 is software. |
| 23:48.34 | ramiroec | dvs : why |
| 23:48.40 | Irrumator | nodens: Well, that's all the advice I can give you - doing the things mentioned fixed the problems for me, sorry :\ |
| 23:48.43 | dvs | ramiroec: it won't work |
| 23:48.44 | abrotman | nadim: md devices are software raid |
| 23:48.57 | abrotman | nadim: hardware raid would show up as a normal partition .. /dev/sda1 etc |
| 23:49.03 | nadim | ouch.. which device do I use for hardware then ? |
| 23:49.07 | yacc_ | meff: it'd be nice to know what the problem is before someone tries to fix it... |
| 23:49.12 | ramiroec | dvs : why, something is wrong ? |
| 23:49.13 | nodens | Irrumator, thanks for trying :) |
| 23:49.16 | nadim | abrotman: I have 'pdc202xx_new' listed in my 'lsmod' |
| 23:49.25 | abrotman | nadim: and? |
| 23:49.29 | dvs | ramiroec: where's the "dists" subdirectory? |
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| 23:49.42 | abrotman | nadim: why do you want to access the hardware drives? |
| 23:49.44 | nadim | abrotman: and I thought it was being used - meaning why load it if it ain't being used. |
| 23:49.52 | nodens | nadim, scsi raid ? must be /dev/sda then. |
| 23:50.00 | meff | yacc_: like i said, i cannot ctrl-alt-f# .. like, ctrl-alt-f1 to go to console, or ctrl-alt-f<any number> to reach any text console |
| 23:50.01 | abrotman | nadim: it probably is being used .. is it a promise controller ? |
| 23:50.11 | nadim | abrotman: yeah it is |
| 23:50.16 | nadim | abrotman: how do I make sure |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | nadim: so that's the driver for the card probably |
| 23:50.23 | ramiroec | there isnt, is not possible to install that by apt-get ? |
| 23:50.23 | blurf | abrotman: does this sarge version got the driver from Marvell ethernet card ? |
| 23:50.29 | abrotman | blurf: i think so |
| 23:50.39 | yacc_ | meff: and like I said, it would be nice to know what the problem is that's causing that |
| 23:50.39 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: WAHHHHHH ... BUT YOU GET THE KIDS! |
| 23:50.53 | blurf | abrotman: i will keep you updated :) |
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| 23:51.17 | ramiroec | dvs : there isnt, is not possible to install that by apt-get ? |
| 23:51.27 | dvs | ramiroec: well, I don't know how. |
| 23:51.31 | scarynetworkguy | Damnit. ... |
| 23:51.34 | Thanatermesis | how to convert a CUE/BIN to ISO ? |
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| 23:51.54 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: and i'm taking the TV! |
| 23:51.57 | nodens | Thanatermesis, bchunk. |
| 23:52.05 | ramiroec | its strange, thats the "official" koffice for debian-sarge |
| 23:52.08 | scarynetworkguy | Damn you. Damn you to hell. |
| 23:52.16 | ramiroec | dvs : its strange, thats the "official" koffice for debian-sarge |
| 23:52.20 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: and i'm taking the Simpsons box sets! |
| 23:52.33 | nadim | nodens: I have another SCSI drive that is already there - how do I find out what exactly that hardware RAID controlled is called (ie. /dev/sda??) - is there a way to list all that is available (using kernel 2.6.8-3) |
| 23:52.36 | yacc_ | isn't that the normal place to damn someone that takes teevees? |
| 23:52.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:52.54 | abrotman | cat /proc/partitions |
| 23:53.11 | meff | yacc_: so a known bug i assume? do you happen to know the # |
| 23:53.16 | nodens | nadim, well, depends on the driver, sometimes you have some info in /proc/scsi, you could also try lsscsi |
| 23:53.27 | jengelh | nadim: At best, look into /dev/disk/ |
| 23:53.32 | nodens | nadim, and dmesg of course |
| 23:53.38 | abrotman | i don't think there is an lsscsi |
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| 23:53.50 | nodens | abrotman, well, there is, but maybe not in debian |
| 23:53.55 | jengelh | abrotman : you mean cdrecord -scanbus ? :) |
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| 23:54.12 | jengelh | it scans all scsi stuffage |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | !find lsscsi sarge |
| 23:54.14 | jengelh | (and more) |
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| 23:54.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lsscsi' (1): (/usr/bin/lsscsi) in admin/lsscsi. |
| 23:54.29 | abrotman | oh .. never used it ;) |
| 23:54.54 | yacc_ | meff: that's the thing, you're not posting more information about the situation... unless someone has seen the situation (noone's said so here so far), there's not enough info to even hazard a guess... but have you checked the bts and maybe searched it? |
| 23:55.00 | nadim | jengelh: I don't have a /dev/disk |
| 23:55.08 | jengelh | nadim: debian too old? |
| 23:56.29 | nadim | nodens: dmesg notes this -- 'raid1: raid set md0 active with 1 out of 2 mirrors' -- so if this software or hardware raid ? |
| 23:56.39 | meff | yacc_: yeah, i've looked in the bts.. okay, i just upgraded, reconfigured, and now, the key combinations ctrl-alt-fkey that used to hop to the console do nothing at all.. everything else seems good.. if you need more information, please ask specifically because i dunno how i can describe it more.. |
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| 23:56.45 | abrotman | md* is software raid .. we already said that |
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| 23:58.56 | nadim | jengelh: sarge via dist-upgrade |
| 23:59.02 | nodens | meff, check you have xkb-data, and if you modified the xorg.conf manually backup it, dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server and merge your changes afterwards. |
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| 23:59.15 | dim | what's the shm management tool (ls, rm and so on), please ? |
| 23:59.23 | yacc_ | meff: the fact that you upgraded suggests a solution... downgrade back :) |
| 23:59.25 | zrin | where shall I look for via vt8251 driver for 'testing' (2.6.15)? |
| 23:59.45 | nodens | meff, if that doesn't work, well, I'm in the same case but it *did* work for some people :) |
