| 00:00.03 | meff | nodens: thanks i'll try that |
| 00:00.40 | yacc_ | what tools are necessary under sarge to build more recent kernels (such as 2.6.15) |
| 00:01.01 | blurf | damn .jp servers are slow :P |
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| 00:01.17 | yacc_ | go to .jp :) |
| 00:01.17 | nadim | well, lsscsi lists the one SCSI drive that I have in the box and doesn't mention the hardware RAID, now what ? |
| 00:01.22 | nodens | yacc_, you need yaird IIRC, but there is a backport available |
| 00:01.41 | yacc_ | ok... |
| 00:01.45 | nodens | yacc_, then using recents kernel from sid is trivial |
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| 00:01.54 | meff | nodens: installing xkb-data worked, thanks much! |
| 00:02.05 | nodens | you lucky boy ;) |
| 00:02.14 | yacc_ | what about if I want to build one myself? is that all that I need? |
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| 00:02.34 | E-bola | hmm |
| 00:02.41 | yacc_ | I guess I might be happy with an image, if it can use all my ram |
| 00:02.43 | dim | was ipcs and ipcrm |
| 00:02.46 | blurf | yacc_ ,thats far from my house :'( |
| 00:02.47 | nadim | abrotman: any ideas ? |
| 00:02.54 | nodens | yacc_, don't know for sure, I try to not build kernels myself if I can avoid it |
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| 00:03.16 | yacc_ | blurf: might that be the reason you're experiencing lag to there? |
| 00:03.23 | dondelelcaro | yacc_: you should be able to build a recent kernel just straight away in sarge. |
| 00:03.35 | blurf | yacc_ yeah, i am in france hehe (far away from me :P) |
| 00:03.57 | abrotman | nadim: about what? |
| 00:04.15 | dondelelcaro | at least, I was able to build 2.6.13 the last time I bothered |
| 00:04.15 | E-bola | how comwe pvscan |
| 00:04.18 | nadim | abrotman: on getting the hardware RAID working (or making sure that it is in-the-loop). |
| 00:04.22 | E-bola | shows more entries than i find in /dev/mapper |
| 00:04.26 | E-bola | using sarge and lvm2 |
| 00:04.42 | abrotman | nadim: are you sure you even have hardware raid ? |
| 00:04.57 | nadim | damn - I don't have /dev/mapper either -- where is this all coming from, I did 'dist-upgrade' etc.. |
| 00:05.02 | nadim | abrotman: I'm 100% certain |
| 00:05.04 | blurf | abrotman: will be back in 10 and tell u |
| 00:05.16 | nadim | abrotman: its a promise TX2000 |
| 00:05.17 | nodens | E-bola, pvscan scans PV, there are only LV in /dev/mappers (and the control device) |
| 00:05.34 | yacc_ | hmm, last time I tried (I'm running a self-built 2.6.7 atm), it needed some sort of data translator thingy, they called it a compiler for some qt thing... maybe while I was trying to config? too long ago, but I could try again now |
| 00:05.57 | danieldg | ok, looking at the URL in the topic (StatusOfUnstable) I don't see anything about Xorg. Where would I find information about it? |
| 00:05.57 | E-bola | nodens: ahh thanks |
| 00:06.02 | abrotman | nadim: uhm .. |
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| 00:06.05 | E-bola | seems some of my lv's are deactivated |
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| 00:06.53 | yacc_ | let me try again, to see exactly what's needed |
| 00:07.04 | nodens | E-bola, use vgchange -ay to activate all volumes from all VG |
| 00:07.15 | E-bola | ahh good tip |
| 00:07.24 | E-bola | i just did the same with lvchange but thanks |
| 00:07.29 | yacc_ | make[1]: /usr/bin/moc: Command not found |
| 00:07.34 | yacc_ | that thing. |
| 00:07.41 | abrotman | !find bin/moc sarge |
| 00:07.42 | nadim | abrotman: so any other means to probe what /dev/XXXXXX I should access to get a hold of that RAID -- the previous hand-compiled kernel (not sure how compiled it) used /dev/ataraid/d0p1 but that doesn't seem to be recognized with the newer kernels |
| 00:07.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/moc' (3): (/usr/bin/mocp) in sound/moc ;; (/usr/bin/mocka) in non-free/devel/mocka ;; (/usr/bin/moc-qt3, /usr/share/qt3/bin/moc) in devel/qt3-dev-tools. |
| 00:07.54 | nadim | s/how/who |
| 00:07.56 | danieldg | I'm wondering specifically if nvidia's binary drivers will still work or not. |
| 00:08.09 | gravity | danieldg: Nope |
| 00:08.16 | nodens | yacc_, did you try with a make menuconfig ? it shouldn't need anything exotic besides ncurses-dev |
| 00:08.17 | yacc_ | do I need qt3?! |
| 00:08.29 | yacc_ | I could try that |
| 00:08.30 | danieldg | gravity: any idea if/when they will start working? |
| 00:08.36 | nodens | this looks like make xconfig |
| 00:08.47 | dondelelcaro | danieldg: when nvidia starts making free drivers? |
| 00:08.49 | gravity | danieldg: When the nvidia-glx maintainer updates the package |
| 00:09.03 | dim | dondelelcaro: thx for the deboostrap tips, it now begins to work |
| 00:09.06 | abrotman | nadim: you have to set the drives in the controller |
| 00:09.07 | dondelelcaro | dim: cool |
| 00:09.11 | dim | that is, i've got some chroot problems now |
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| 00:09.18 | dim | but no more libc ones |
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| 00:09.24 | danieldg | gravity: is 1.0.8756-4 updated, or do you mean updated more? |
| 00:09.29 | nodens | I think they just came out of incoming (nvidia drivers) |
| 00:09.32 | gravity | danieldg: Updated more |
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| 00:09.41 | gravity | I don't use nvidia though, so I don't know |
| 00:09.47 | gravity | I just hear a lot of the fallout |
| 00:09.58 | grendelson | Anyone kneo where I can grab the debian winetools package - there used to be a deb at winehq according to old post but now I cant seem to find it |
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| 00:10.03 | danieldg | ok, I can wait, I'm not in a big hurry to upgrade and break X |
| 00:10.06 | nodens | but drivers from the nvidia installer works fine (baaaaad me) |
| 00:10.18 | server_ | abrotman: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 |
| 00:10.19 | nadim | abrotman: note that all of this was working without issue on a hand-compiled 2.4.27 - and I tried to use the same settings, etc. |
| 00:10.21 | joshier | How did debian get to be the best server unix system?.. were there more smarter devs?.. |
| 00:10.28 | jaaroo | if i've created package with checkinstall and it differs in architecture by accident, can I make changes within the deb package filelds somehow? |
| 00:10.47 | yacc_ | joshier: nope... all dumber... |
| 00:10.51 | danieldg | nodens: what version was that? |
| 00:10.55 | trey | anyone know the best program to use to get my Netgear WG311v3 wireless card to work? |
| 00:11.06 | abrotman | nadim: so they're set in the controller then .. if you look through `dmesg` .. see anything about the controller? |
| 00:11.09 | joshier | yacc_: i was just wondering because it seems to be the best voted one, i am a very new linux user. |
| 00:11.12 | yacc_ | they made so many packages that eventually some of them turned out good... |
| 00:11.23 | yacc_ | kinda like monkeys typing... |
| 00:11.23 | joshier | ok |
| 00:11.27 | joshier | ahhh |
| 00:11.35 | Stevie | lol |
| 00:11.36 | nodens | danieldg, a 87xx one, but I didn't looked very hard at it, since I use the installer from nvidia |
| 00:11.39 | abrotman | yacc_: come on |
| 00:11.44 | abrotman | !tell joshier about why debian |
| 00:11.50 | blurf | abrotman: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 |
| 00:11.50 | Stevie | wait |
| 00:11.51 | yacc_ | smirk :P |
| 00:11.57 | blurf | i get that error with the image u gave me |
| 00:11.58 | abrotman | yacc_: apologize to the poor guy |
| 00:12.06 | nadim | abrotman: does this ring a bell ? '/dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1' |
| 00:12.06 | yacc_ | I'm sowwy :) |
| 00:12.08 | Stevie | there's already a distro made by monkeys typing |
| 00:12.13 | Stevie | ubuntu |
| 00:12.22 | abrotman | blurf: command i gave you? |
| 00:12.30 | blurf | no |
| 00:12.37 | blurf | sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 00:12.40 | Stevie | (one monkey hit 'cp d' followed by tab, the rest is history) |
| 00:12.45 | abrotman | blurf: hrm .. |
| 00:12.46 | blurf | for the RAID0 sata |
| 00:12.55 | abrotman | blurf: there are other unofficial installers |
| 00:13.04 | abrotman | !tell blurf about sarge uni |
| 00:14.25 | yacc_ | is the 2.6.15 kernel image used in that d-i available? does it appropriately depend on what's needed to run it in sarge? |
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| 00:15.14 | marcot | Hello. |
| 00:15.17 | Tenemag | Hi |
| 00:15.22 | yacc_ | I guess I don't mind installing an image... but I will say I like compiling kernels and am used to it |
| 00:15.25 | marcot | Is there a way to check for X speed without glxgears? |
| 00:15.27 | Tenemag | quick question... |
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| 00:16.20 | yacc_ | marcot: take a picture of the monitor while x is running... take another picture... measure the distance the monitor traveled... divide... |
| 00:16.24 | Tenemag | umm... do I need all 14 ISO's to install? I used the Netinstall lasttime I installed debian... but for some reason my network adapter isn't working now... so I need to do it all offline until i can fix it... |
| 00:16.54 | marcot | It would take less time to answer it helpfully. |
| 00:16.56 | yacc_ | nell ho! |
| 00:17.01 | nodens | Tenemag, the first should be ok for popular packages |
| 00:17.03 | marcot | I mean how many fps. |
| 00:17.09 | streuner_ | !d-i Tenemag |
| 00:17.09 | dpkg | Tenemag, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:17.13 | Tenemag | So really all i need is the first and i can apt-get from there? |
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| 00:17.36 | yacc_ | Tenemag: there are lots and lots of combinations you can use to install... some need no media at all |
| 00:17.46 | nodens | Tenemag, listen to dpkg :) |
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| 00:18.02 | bsims | slrn is hanging on reading news... any ideas it says connection dropped and then tries again. I can ping the newserver and pan works with it any ideas |
| 00:18.07 | nadim | abrotman: so I have 'PDC20271: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:01:02.0' which correpsonds to '0000:01:02.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20271 (FastTrak TX2000) (rev 02)' -- yet I'm still not sure what /dev/XXXX to use to access that hardware RAID |
| 00:18.12 | Tenemag | yea... the only problem is my network adapter that is built into my laptop is busted up... |
| 00:18.42 | yacc_ | that could be a problem installing over the net... do you intend to replace it? |
| 00:18.52 | Tenemag | well... |
| 00:18.53 | streuner_ | hm, a Ruby Goldberg install then :-) |
| 00:19.01 | streuner_ | !ruby goldberg install |
| 00:19.08 | Ronin | streuner_: rube |
| 00:19.11 | Tenemag | i have a Netgear FA511 PCMCIA card |
| 00:19.16 | streuner_ | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:19.16 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:19.26 | nachoguy | streuner: I had one of those once. special boot floppy so I could install off of a parallel port cdrom drive |
| 00:19.45 | yacc_ | someone should solve that problem... make a netinst card deck |
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| 00:19.51 | Tenemag | haha |
| 00:19.57 | Stevie | lol |
| 00:20.09 | Stevie | 22 cards |
| 00:20.20 | Stevie | use them to divine your future |
| 00:20.38 | trey | Anyone know the best program to get a Netgear WG311v3 wirless card working on debian? |
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| 00:20.48 | yacc_ | and if the ace comes up, you owe me ten bux! |
| 00:20.57 | Tenemag | but yea... yacc_... the problem is that my FA511 card won't obtain an IP until the MAC is assigned one by my university's proxy |
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| 00:21.12 | Stevie | yacc_: not playing cards, tarot cards |
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| 00:21.21 | streuner_ | Ronin: thanks ;-) |
| 00:21.22 | Tenemag | so i need a browser to register it... and it doesn't work in windows but it *will* work in linux for some reason... it worked home... just not here |
| 00:21.26 | joshier | can someone explain to me the isue of intergrating the copyright restrictions (for example, realnetworks pose) of which HDCP etc is used in coordination with the GNU free law?.. Thanks |
| 00:21.36 | yacc_ | oh, then if the magician comes up, you owe me ten bux! |
| 00:21.37 | Tenemag | Trey... look up NDISWrapper |
| 00:21.41 | joshier | I'm wondering what will need to be done... if it's possible |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | nadim: look in /dev/ .. see anything useful ? |
| 00:21.52 | Thanatermesis | when i look a movie, the screen turns BLACK, what is posible to are this thing if is not the screensaver and not is the "console blaking using apm (kernel)" ? |
| 00:22.22 | Tenemag | what CD's do i *really* need for just a base install with X and KDE or ICEWM? |
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| 00:22.37 | orlock | Has anybody here used xen with the ia64 vresion of debian? |
| 00:22.42 | nodens | Tenemag, the first. |
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| 00:22.51 | yacc_ | Tenemag: I dunno the content of the cd... but at least cd 1 |
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| 00:22.52 | trey | Tenemag: i looked at it but i can not find where to get the version 1.5 or 1.7 (these are the ones i heard worked with my card) |
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| 00:23.22 | tomas__ | which package contains import ? |
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| 00:23.29 | nodens | bsims, I swap you a working slrn against a working xorg, deal ? ;) |
| 00:23.30 | nachoguy | orlock, amd64 version, it works well |
| 00:23.31 | yacc_ | well, that's a different way of providing curses to slrn... |
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| 00:24.09 | Tenemag | hmm... well if i can get into a linux enviorment... I can get the card to obtain an IP addy... we have some cisco proxy where you have to register your ethernet card to the network before it gets an IP... |
| 00:24.12 | orlock | nachoguy: so theres no odd "issues" with the xen kernel+64 bitness? |
| 00:24.16 | bsims | nodens hrm ok |
| 00:24.28 | nachoguy | orlock: I've had none, it runs great |
| 00:24.34 | bsims | slrn is hanging on reading news... any ideas it says connection dropped and then tries again. I can ping the newserver and pan works but no joy with my beloved slrn |
| 00:24.35 | orlock | nachoguy: brilliant! |
| 00:24.41 | Tenemag | I can't use a USB ethernet adapter.. can I? |
| 00:24.56 | streuner_ | tomas__: imagemagick? |
| 00:25.00 | orlock | nachoguy: got a tyan opteron system here, 3ware pci-x raid card.. hot swap drives, hot swap PSU's |
| 00:25.06 | tomas__ | yes |
| 00:25.08 | yacc_ | Tenemag: just for future reference... you might wanna get a smallish machine to act as an internet gateway |
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| 00:25.15 | orlock | only single cpu single core, but it will get 2x dual core opterons one day :) |
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| 00:25.44 | obscuresoul | hello |
| 00:25.49 | Tenemag | well i have my server... hmm... if i configured that to run as a DHCP... put my router through that... do you think it would work? |
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| 00:25.54 | yacc_ | what are the two cores about? both the same? |
| 00:26.12 | okie | 1;2cpwd |
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| 00:26.20 | streuner_ | tomas__: knusper:/home/user# dpkg -S /usr/bin/import imagemagick: /usr/bin/import |
| 00:26.24 | nachoguy | orlock, I've got dual dual cores with 8 gig of ram |
| 00:26.26 | nodens | bsims, did you try with a differnt user ? I mean, adduser test-slrn and trying from there ? there might be a problem in your config |
| 00:26.28 | nachoguy | it's awesome for xen |
| 00:26.43 | bsims | hrn could be |
| 00:26.44 | yacc_ | does your router provide an internal net that's different from the IP(s) you get from the upstream router? |
| 00:26.53 | orlock | nachoguy: niiice |
| 00:27.05 | bsims | I used it yesterday though and no updates |
| 00:27.09 | Tenemag | yes... unfortunatally, it says that it cannot obtain a DHCP ip from my router even though it is on a diffrent subnet |
| 00:27.11 | orlock | nachoguy: dual gigabit ethernet on-board too, 6x ram slots, supports up to 12 gig |
| 00:27.27 | nodens | bsims, or a lock file somewhere maybe ? |
| 00:27.35 | nadim | abrotman: there are hundards of things in /dev/ - is there anyway to probe which are actually connected to something on the hardware side ? |
| 00:27.40 | Tenemag | the university's lan is 172.16.11.* mine is 172.16.52.* |
| 00:27.51 | nachoguy | orlock: sweet, not sure how much memory this board maxes out at, I just got it as a test rig from monarch |
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| 00:28.04 | obscuresoul | there's any good cd/dvd reader and writer? i'm using gnome... |
| 00:28.10 | yacc_ | shouldn't you be able to just use one of the ips in your local router's range? |
| 00:28.15 | nachoguy | obscuresoul: k3b ? |
| 00:28.26 | Tenemag | orlock: how much did that machine cost you? |
| 00:28.27 | Tenemag | well |
| 00:28.31 | Tenemag | i tried that |
| 00:28.36 | Tenemag | i tried 172.16.11.72 |
| 00:28.44 | Tenemag | i mean 52.72 |
| 00:28.45 | Tenemag | not 11 |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | nadim: not a clue .. but i bet if you google for your controller and a howto .. you might get a hint |
| 00:29.04 | nodens | obscuresoul, depends of what you want... juste burning some files or an iso, nautilus-cd-burner is great |
| 00:29.12 | nadim | abrotman: had been doing that for the past 2 hours - nothing so far. |
| 00:29.14 | bsims | nodens: tried that too fsck it ... I'll reboot I need to clean the cpu fan anyway |
| 00:29.17 | yacc_ | so your local router denied the packets because it didn't assign the ip? |
| 00:29.32 | Tenemag | yes... |
| 00:29.33 | nadim | abrotman: thanks anyway - if you think of a channel or a URL to look into don't hesitate to let me know. |
| 00:29.37 | nodens | but if you want to do complex stuf, maybe k3b is a better way to go |
| 00:29.46 | abrotman | nadim: maybe query #kernel about the device |
| 00:29.51 | obscuresoul | nodens: but k3b isn't it an kde app? |
| 00:29.59 | obscuresoul | s/an/a |
| 00:29.59 | Tenemag | unfortunatally this network is kinda weird... it actually activly monitors all packets from the origin source |
| 00:30.06 | okie | 1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c |
| 00:30.07 | okie | q |
| 00:30.13 | nodens | obscuresoul, it doesn't prevent it from working in gnome, just a bit heavier :) |
| 00:30.24 | Tenemag | and then authorizes depending on if it is from a valid MAC |
| 00:30.51 | nodens | obscuresoul, that's why you should use nautilus-cd-burner when you only need simple stuff |
| 00:31.00 | yacc_ | shouoldn't your local router be the mac it looks at? |
| 00:31.09 | nachoguy | nadim, dmesg | less, and you should be able to find out what is where |
| 00:31.20 | yacc_ | maybe you could put a linux router before the local one |
| 00:31.40 | nodens | obscuresoul, it's just a matter of copy/paste in the CD/DVD burner location, file -> write, could not be easier |
| 00:31.49 | Thanatermesis | when i look a movie, the screen turns BLACK, what is posible to are this thing if is not the screensaver and not is the "console blaking using apm (kernel)" ? |
| 00:31.51 | bulio | How do I install iconsets for gnome? |
| 00:32.17 | nachoguy | Thanatermesis: does it happen right away, or like 10 minutes into the movie? |
| 00:32.23 | nadim | nachoguy: I see 'PDC20271' (the RAID card) listed, but it tells me nothing about what /dev/XXXXXX to use - want to see the relevant parts on #flood ? |
| 00:32.42 | nachoguy | nadim: go for it |
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| 00:32.53 | bulio | how can I install icon sets for gnome |
| 00:32.58 | blurf | abrotman: what about installing ubuntu ? |
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| 00:33.16 | obscuresoul | nodens: does nautilus works with data only? or with music too? |
| 00:33.26 | abrotman | blurf: you'd have to ask #ubuntu |
| 00:33.33 | nadim | nachoguy: so hde and hdg are supposed to be on that RAID - so what do I access in terms of /dev/XXX to get 'em ? |
| 00:34.01 | nodens | obscuresoul, I don't think it can burn audio cd, there is gnome-baker for that but I don't like it very much |
| 00:34.02 | pipeline | nadim: /dev/md* or /dev/mapper/* |
| 00:34.08 | nachoguy | are they seperate raids? or are they two disks that are supposed to be raid 1 or raid 0? |
| 00:34.14 | pipeline | nadim: oh, wait |
| 00:34.19 | abrotman | nadim: are you sure that promise controller is a true hardware raid device? |
| 00:34.24 | pipeline | nadim: You're using "software assisted" RAID, not hardware RAID |
| 00:34.24 | obscuresoul | nodens: ok thank you a lot ;) |
| 00:34.26 | pipeline | nadim: Which is utter shit. |
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| 00:34.47 | pipeline | nadim: The PDC-202xx series are really nice ATA controllers, in that they support 66 MHz PCI |
| 00:34.56 | pipeline | nadim: Their "RAID" functions are totally useless, though |
| 00:35.00 | nachoguy | nadim: I think pipeline is correct |
| 00:35.16 | nachoguy | you can use debian's raidtools to perform the raid though |
| 00:35.34 | Thanatermesis | nachoguy yeah, 15 or 20 minutes maybe |
| 00:35.35 | pipeline | Heh, raidtools/mdadm RAID will actually perform a lot better than the "software assisted" RAID on the card :P |
| 00:35.55 | nodens | (ATA raid sux anyway) |
| 00:36.01 | abrotman | buy scsi! |
| 00:36.05 | pipeline | nodens: Not true, necessarily |
| 00:36.10 | pipeline | nodens: Enough cache will make anything rock. |
| 00:36.25 | nachoguy | abrotman: naw, I can get 3-4 times the storage space by going sata/pata |
| 00:36.28 | pipeline | nodens: The problem is that performance doesn't really become comparable until we're talking like, miniature SANs. |
| 00:36.36 | pipeline | nachoguy: Heh, that's not really true |
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| 00:36.48 | nadim | nachoguy: I don't know much about 'em beyond the fact that tey are supposed to be hardware RAID. |
| 00:36.50 | pipeline | nachoguy: If you're willing to cut some corners, SCSI and FC-AL have comparable up-front costs to IDE |
| 00:36.53 | pipeline | nadim: They're not. |
| 00:36.59 | nadim | pipeline: so what are they ? |
| 00:37.00 | pipeline | nachoguy: The catch is the ongoing cost: electricity. |
| 00:37.01 | abrotman | nachoguy: thanks .. i'll take SCSI any day |
| 00:37.06 | yacc_ | isn't sata/pata == s/p? |
| 00:37.07 | nadim | pipeline: or better yet - what is it ? :-) |
| 00:37.08 | pipeline | nadim: software-assisted RAID. |
| 00:37.13 | nodens | pipeline, right, but then price is almost the same as scsi with a good ata raid controler :) |
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| 00:37.19 | nadim | pipeline: ah, so /dev/md0 is what I should be accessing ? |
| 00:37.21 | nachoguy | 146 gig scsi drive 400 gig sata drive, buth in the $150-200 range |
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| 00:37.36 | pipeline | nadim: No. You should abandon the stupid "software assist" raid and use software RAID alone. |
| 00:37.38 | abrotman | nachoguy: and guess which is faster :) |
| 00:37.51 | nadim | pipeline: is the assist not useful ? |
| 00:38.06 | nadim | pipeline: is it slower with that card in there ? |
| 00:38.09 | nachoguy | abrotman: in my case, I'd rather have capacity than speed, at least for home use |
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| 00:38.27 | pipeline | nachoguy, nodens : You can get SCSI and FC drives / controllers so cheap nowadays that the only concern is electricity. If I want 600G of storage, it's a lot cheaper to run three 200G ide drives than 15 73G SCSI drives. |
| 00:38.31 | abrotman | nachoguy: that's a case by case choice .. some would take pure speed .. depends on the needs |
| 00:38.43 | pipeline | nadim: Heh, the card itself is fine as an IDE controller. It's just worthless as a RAID controller. |
| 00:38.56 | pipeline | nadim: Software RAID is sometimes faster due to reduced interrupt load on the host processor |
| 00:39.02 | pipeline | nadim: Not to mention, software RAID lets you do a lot more :P |
| 00:39.03 | nachoguy | Thanatermesis: anything come up in system logs or dmesg when it happens? |
| 00:39.18 | pipeline | nadim: Those Promise cards just have a software RAID program loaded into a ROM on the card. |
| 00:39.22 | pipeline | nadim: to let you boot |
| 00:39.54 | nodens | I wonder if linux lvm can do mirror ? in hp-ux software raid is done that way |
| 00:40.02 | nadim | pipeline: so by me accessing /dev/md0 I'm not using that card - and am doing software RAID, right ? |
| 00:40.27 | nachoguy | lvm can do lots of neat tricks that make my head hurt |
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| 00:40.42 | nachoguy | nadim: once you set it up, yes |
| 00:40.52 | pipeline | nadim: Well, you hav eto set it up first. |
| 00:41.01 | pipeline | nodens: It can, but it's inadvisable. |
| 00:41.01 | yacc_ | then you should either take a tylenol or not use lvm... |
| 00:41.20 | nachoguy | yacc_: it's more like reading the docs, so I just don't read them |
| 00:41.24 | nadim | nachoguy: how do I set it up - what should I read on this and will this card interfere ? And while on the topic what should I buy as a "true" hardware RAID hard for these IDE drives ? |
| 00:41.27 | pipeline | nodens: There used to be a plan to merge md into LVM HPUX-style, but it hasn't really materialized, and the dm modes that do RAID are really, really poorly tested. |
| 00:41.48 | foo | I have a script in /etc/init.d/startup ... and I made a symlink to the file in /etc/rc2.d/ ... but the script does not start when I startup my system. The script is supposed to write to a file and it doesn't do that. .. any ideas? |
| 00:41.53 | Tenemag | thanks for your help |
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| 00:41.58 | abrotman | get scsi! |
| 00:41.59 | yacc_ | truthfully I haven't read those either yet |
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| 00:42.07 | nodens | pipeline, ok. |
| 00:42.17 | nodens | I've got my answer :) |
| 00:42.36 | pipeline | nodens: So yes, you can, but you shouldn't :P |
| 00:42.39 | nadim | my /proc/mdstat notes 'md0 : active raid1 hde1[1]' - which I'd think tells me I'm not doing RAID |
| 00:43.02 | pipeline | nadim: Heh, looks like you only have one disk in teh array. |
| 00:43.07 | billmagody | Tenemag: do you know the best place to get varsion 1.5 or 1.7 of Ndiswrapper, those wwere the two i heard that work with my card |
| 00:43.19 | Thanatermesis | nachoguy good question... no idea :/ |
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| 00:43.31 | Thanatermesis | but im sure to abrotman knows about this thing ;) |
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| 00:43.35 | nadim | pipeline: out of curiosity - so I have a piece of crap for a hardware-assist RAID, how do I get it to work (again looking to learn) |
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| 00:43.51 | Thanatermesis | when i look a movie, the screen turns BLACK, what is posible to are this thing if is not the screensaver and not is the "console blaking using apm (kernel)" ? <--- abrotman ;) |
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| 00:44.02 | pipeline | nadim: Find a howto about raidtools |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | !dmps |
| 00:44.08 | foo | I have a script in /etc/init.d/startup ... and I made a symlink to the file in /etc/rc2.d/ ... but the script does not start when I startup my system. The script is supposed to write to a file and it doesn't do that. .. any ideas? Is this the best way to have a script ran on startup? I just want to run 2 commands on startup ... err. |
| 00:44.08 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 00:44.08 | nachoguy | nadim: http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm That's where I went for info when I set one up a while ago |
| 00:44.09 | dpkg | i heard dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 00:44.12 | pipeline | nadim: And it's a perfectly good IDE controller. A very nice one, really. |
| 00:44.20 | pipeline | nadim: mdadm is also good :P |
| 00:44.30 | pipeline | nadim: Actually, you can use the debian sarge installer to set up software RAID at install time. |
| 00:44.34 | nodens | ok, it's late here, I'd better go to sleep if I cannot fix Xorg. 'night people |
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| 00:44.49 | pipeline | nadim: You just set some partitions to "software RAID" or "md" or something, and the option to configure software RAID will appear. |
| 00:45.04 | nadim | pipeline: mdadm is sofware RAID and it won't engage the crappy Promise card - will raidtools engage that card ? |
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| 00:45.33 | pipeline | nadim: Of course not. Why would you want to do that? |
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| 00:46.44 | nadim | pipeline: well it was enageged in the previous kernel (since the drives were being written into and Software raid per se wasnt' enabled) - I'm looking to learn as to how to replicate that (just for grins) on 2.6.8 |
| 00:47.30 | pipeline | nadim: I wouldn't even know how |
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| 00:47.31 | XenReborn | is the new version out yet with all the updated packages ? |
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| 00:47.51 | abrotman | new version of WHAT? |
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| 00:48.23 | nadim | pipeline: so you'd recommend I throw this promise card and replace it with a scsi connector to my 2 IDE drives ? |
| 00:48.32 | abrotman | oh yes .. that will be fun :) |
| 00:48.47 | XenReborn | debian silly :p |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | oh .. i forgot </sarcasm> |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | XenReborn: you mean of sarge? or has etch released? |
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| 00:49.10 | nadim | pipeline: btw - what will happen if I setup/enable software RAID and both drives already have data on 'em (which most likley aren't fully sync'ed-up after 3 days of new kernel usage) ? |
| 00:49.25 | XenReborn | ok before i rephrase lemme ask somnething.. |
| 00:50.10 | XenReborn | if i download the debian cd, and install it, of sarge, and run dselect using apt, it downloads a whole shitload of updates, are these updates technically part of sarge ? |
| 00:50.32 | abrotman | assuming your sources are correct |
| 00:50.40 | XenReborn | ftp.debian.org |
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| 00:50.45 | XenReborn | can't get anymore correct :p |
| 00:51.01 | abrotman | that wasn't what i meant |
| 00:51.06 | XenReborn | ..ok |
| 00:51.10 | XenReborn | what do you mean ? |
| 00:51.18 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
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| 00:51.48 | XenReborn | you mean if i'm downloading something other than stable ? |
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| 00:51.54 | XenReborn | i have apt point at the stable dist |
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| 00:52.52 | abrotman | those are probably security updates |
| 00:53.03 | XenReborn | yeah but its downloading newer libraries and stuff too |
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| 00:55.42 | XenReborn | and when i try to install libraries from the discs when i don't have the server at work, its telling me they're old |
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| 00:57.11 | XenReborn | i |
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| 00:57.33 | XenReborn | 'm just curious if they are constantly patching each release, or whether or not its frozen once they release it |
| 00:57.38 | nodens | ok, you know what worked for my X problem ? ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/xkbcomp /usr/bin/xkbcomp |
| 00:57.53 | gravity | urgh |
| 00:57.55 | gravity | I need to fix that bug too |
| 00:58.14 | gravity | Not tonight though. One at a time |
| 00:58.31 | plusran | my system crashed about a year ago, and i just gathered the money to replace it. amd64, with 64bit debian. I used to be able to type "play" to play an audio file, but i can't remember what package this command is associated with. Any suggestions/hints? |
| 00:58.43 | nodens | also, setkxbmap won't work, it searches for xkb in the wrong place |
| 00:58.48 | pipeline | plusran: I think "play" may in fact be the package |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | gravity: you need an "Easy" button |
| 00:59.09 | gravity | heh |
| 00:59.24 | gravity | I've squashed about a dozen bugs tonight. I need to finish uploading them though |
| 00:59.27 | gravity | modular++ |
| 00:59.30 | nodens | and /usr/X11R6/bin is not in the default PATH, /etc/profile needs to be fixed as well |
| 00:59.34 | plusran | pipeline: aptitude search doesn't bring up play. seems to bring up the kitchen sink, though. |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | gravity: all RC/Grave ? |
| 00:59.47 | gravity | nodens: All of these are reported already |
| 00:59.50 | gravity | abrotman: No |
| 00:59.52 | nodens | gravity, ok. |
| 01:00.02 | abrotman | gravity: can you fix courier-imap too? :) |
| 01:00.05 | gravity | pfft |
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| 01:00.36 | pipeline | plusran: apt-file search says that the "sox" package has /usr/bin/play |
| 01:00.51 | nachoguy | you can't fix courier-imap, you can just replace it with dovecot |
| 01:01.35 | nodens | I wonder... I reported xkbmap problem on xserver-xorg, but maybe it's rather a xbase-clients bugs ? |
| 01:01.35 | plusran | i wasn't sure if it was sox. thanks pipeline! |
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| 01:03.29 | plusran | never fails. white shirt + red pasta sauce. |
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| 01:04.02 | deadcat | i am trying to build fbpanel 4.3 into .deb using dh_make, but its bitching at the dh_installdirs because the ./configure script doesnt allow all the options dh_make generates and i am using the rules script from the fbpanel 4.1 debian source. it works on the 4.1 but not the 4.3. same script )= |
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| 01:05.52 | nodens | ok, this time I'm really going to bed. |
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| 01:05.59 | nodens | 'night :) |
| 01:05.59 | barsanuphe | hey |
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| 01:06.07 | plusran | night |
| 01:06.09 | barsanuphe | i have a little problem |
| 01:06.11 | unstable | deadcat: What architecture? |
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| 01:06.21 | deadcat | unstable: x86 |
| 01:06.42 | barsanuphe | i recently dist-upgraded with the new xorg and everything and now my shift key doesnt work anymore |
| 01:07.08 | gravity | barsanuphe: Install xkb-data |
| 01:07.29 | unstable | deadcat: What version of debian? |
| 01:07.46 | deadcat | gravity: i remember you were talking to someone about the gtk2-engines-industrial theme. what up with it? the fancy cursor theme is gone now. |
| 01:07.50 | deadcat | unstable: unstable |
| 01:08.03 | gravity | deadcat: I broke something. I don't have a fix yet. |
| 01:08.08 | cryptnix | Anyone here have a working Cobalt Raq 3 runnin Debian? |
| 01:08.09 | barsanuphe | thx ill try that gravity |
| 01:08.25 | deadcat | unstable: sshonly.sytes.net/fbpanel |
| 01:08.40 | gravity | It's going to take me a few more days to really stabilize everything. There's a lot that I broke, although the damage isn't really much worse than I expected |
| 01:09.07 | abrotman | gravity: your packages installed SuSE on my machine! |
| 01:09.12 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:09.17 | deadcat | gravity: ok. atleast i know what happened. because firefox was showing the ugly cursor i was like "what the f" since outside of firefox was still showign the nice cursor (= |
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| 01:09.48 | gravity | I've got a guess as to where the bug is, but I don't know that. I haven't reproduced the bug on my system, so... |
| 01:10.08 | sorsis | correct me if i'm wrong. if package has survived to stable release and the comes a security update to software, package is updated even if it's not yet implemented to unstable or testing phase? |
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| 01:10.35 | dondelelcaro | sorsis: if you're saying that security fixes can be fixed in stable without having been fixed in unstable, the answer is yes. |
| 01:10.46 | deadcat | i am trying to compile fbpanel 4.3 into a .deb, can someone give it a try? it wont build for me |
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| 01:11.29 | DavidW2 | Hi. I am running Debian stable. I installed libapache-mod-pph4 and tried `a2enmod php4' but it says the module isn't found. Might it only work with apache1? But php5 isn't available on Debian stable |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | DavidW2: try libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 01:12.05 | sorsis | dondelelcaro: thank you. |
| 01:12.10 | deadcat | gravity: is glxgears in 7.0 suppose to display the FPS or something? i am nto seeing anything |
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| 01:12.30 | AlienX | deadcat, open glxgears in terminal |
| 01:12.34 | DavidW2 | abrotman: Duh, thank you :) And is it true there's no php5 yet? It shows in the list but isn't available to install |
| 01:12.36 | deadcat | AlienX: i did |
| 01:12.39 | plusran | deadcat: look at the options. |
| 01:12.43 | deadcat | k |
| 01:12.51 | abrotman | DavidW2: there will never officially be php5 for sarge |
| 01:12.51 | dondelelcaro | sorsis: however, that tends to be a bit rare. |
| 01:13.00 | dondelelcaro | DavidW2: it's in unstable, but not stable. |
| 01:13.12 | deadcat | plusran: no options., |
| 01:13.30 | gravity | deadcat: There's a switch you have to use. It doesn't do it by default |
| 01:13.31 | DavidW2 | abrotman: OK, thanks. I don't absolutely need it, I was just ttrying to replicate the setup I have already done for Ubuntu and Debian unstable but I forgot about apache2 vs apache... thanks :) |
| 01:13.36 | DavidW2 | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 01:13.46 | plusran | deadcat: and you're running it from a terminal? |
| 01:13.58 | dondelelcaro | gravity: what do you think? http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/business_card_back.png http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/business_card_face.png |
| 01:14.00 | deadcat | plusran: yes. i dont seem to have the man apge. |
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| 01:14.17 | dondelelcaro | gravity: too insane? |
| 01:14.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: font too plain |
| 01:14.53 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 01:14.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: too crazy! |
| 01:14.56 | plusran | deadcat: you should get the man page. |
| 01:15.13 | deadcat | plusran: i apt-get the package. but it didnt come with. tell me the option i need. (= |
| 01:15.13 | Stevie | Race Conditions Suck! |
| 01:15.24 | gravity | deadcat: Heh, it's kinda tough to read :-) |
| 01:15.25 | orlock | Hmm, i've just downloaded debian-31r0a-ia64-businesscard.iso and i cant seem to boot from it |
| 01:15.27 | gravity | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 01:15.32 | gravity | dondelelcaro: But it's very Debian :-) |
| 01:15.36 | deadcat | gravity: his biz card? |
| 01:15.39 | gravity | Yeah |
| 01:15.44 | gravity | deadcat: Sorry, that wasn't for you |
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| 01:17.07 | AlienX | any reason why I wouldn't be able to use GL apps such as stellarium with the open source nvidia drivers? I'm running sid using xorg 7.0.1. |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: not to mention .. the bottle/"smoke" could give the wrong idea |
| 01:17.26 | gravity | AlienX: You should be able to, but you'll only get software rendering |
| 01:17.34 | pipeline | AlienX: Not that software rendering is too slow for some things. |
| 01:17.46 | plusran | deadcat you're telling me you run glxgears from a window in X and you don't get a fps calculated in the terminal? if it opens a blank window it's not going to work. |
| 01:17.48 | pipeline | AlienX: My computer doing software GL is significantly faster than my old SGI with its hardware OpenGL :P |
| 01:18.02 | dworkin | abrotman, when do you sleep? (if ever) |
| 01:18.04 | AlienX | gravity, that's what I thought but I'm getting the error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 01:18.10 | orlock | pipeline: what sgi? |
| 01:18.11 | sorsis | AlienX: you shouldn't use open source drivers for nvidia. they just released new drivers. |
| 01:18.20 | AlienX | pipeline, lol yeah I have a couple O2s laying around. |
| 01:18.26 | sorsis | AlienX: check if your card is supported by those. |
| 01:18.26 | orlock | i have a Indy |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | dworkin: a normal amount .. i'm EDT |
| 01:18.32 | pipeline | orlock: Heh, it's an old R4000SC Indy. |
| 01:18.35 | deadcat | plusran: i type glxgears on the terminal and the 3 gears starts to roll, but the term dont show anything. |
| 01:18.46 | orlock | pipeline: nice, think thats the same as mine |
| 01:18.47 | AlienX | sorsis, there aren't drivers available for Xorg 7.0.1 and nvidia |
| 01:18.47 | deadcat | oh well maybe its broken |
| 01:18.48 | orlock | 133Mhz |
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| 01:18.55 | pipeline | orlock: Well, then, no it's not. |
| 01:18.56 | gravity | AlienX: You probably need to explicitly load the glx module in your xorg.conf |
| 01:18.59 | orlock | i put in a 4.5 gig UW drive with an adaptor |
| 01:19.13 | plusran | try glxgears -info |
| 01:19.17 | deadcat | ah |
| 01:19.20 | AlienX | gravity, i'll give that a go. |
| 01:19.21 | orlock | pipeline: i forget whether its a SC or PC |
| 01:19.22 | pipeline | orlock: R4000SC was only available for a short time, in 100 MHz speed only. The R4600 and R4400 were available in 133/150/200, though. |
| 01:19.28 | deadcat | i wouldnt have guess "-info" |
| 01:19.36 | sorsis | how did i get information about packages from a bot? |
| 01:19.37 | pipeline | orlock: An R4000SC is faster than an R4600PC; the R4400, in PC or SC forms, will whip them both |
| 01:19.49 | AlienX | sorsis, !<info> |
| 01:19.53 | plusran | 1200 frames in 5.0 seconds = 240.000 FPS |
| 01:19.58 | streuner_ | sorsis: /msg dpkg info <package> |
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| 01:20.19 | streuner_ | sorsis: /msg dpkg info <package> <debian version> (default is sid) |
| 01:20.20 | sorsis | streuner: thanks |
| 01:20.36 | sorsis | streuner: very precise answer :) |
| 01:21.10 | zhtoor | does anybody have experience with HP visualize c3000 and debian ? |
| 01:21.13 | streuner_ | sorsis: i've never wrote a man page ;-) |
| 01:21.17 | AlienX | gravity, looks as though I have glx loaded in my xorg.conf. Would I need 'load GLcore' perhaps? |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | zhtoor: you could just ask |
| 01:21.26 | pipeline | zhtoor: Install HP_UX |
| 01:21.43 | AlienX | pipeline, yuck...why would anyone want to run HP_UX? |
| 01:21.44 | gravity | AlienX: No, that wouldn't be the reason. |
| 01:22.00 | pipeline | AlienX: Because Linux is for PC trash. |
| 01:22.03 | gravity | AlienX: Normally I'd help you out, but I have to leave right now. Sorry... |
| 01:22.03 | zhtoor | why should i use HP-ux instead of debian ? |
| 01:22.09 | AlienX | gravity, hmm, i'm definitely confused then. |
| 01:22.12 | pipeline | zhtoor: Debian won't support most of the hardware. |
| 01:22.17 | AlienX | gravity, thanks anyways though. cheers! |
| 01:22.17 | orlock | pipeline: its funny, my phone is almost as capable as the indy i think. |
| 01:22.18 | gravity | AlienX: You can try it if you like |
| 01:22.19 | pipeline | zhtoor: No accelerated graphics, limited networking support, etc |
| 01:22.22 | orlock | pipeline: Nokia N70 :) |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | zhtoor: i think you're asking the wrong people .. we choose Debian! |
| 01:22.29 | gravity | AlienX: Good luck though! |
| 01:22.29 | pipeline | orlock: Heh. The Indy has a surprising amount of processing power, really :P |
| 01:22.35 | AlienX | gravity, cheers m8 |
| 01:22.38 | pipeline | orlock: At least, the SC-equipped models do. |
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| 01:22.50 | orlock | pipeline: yeah, playing mp3's wile doing gl visualisations :) |
| 01:22.57 | plusran | deadcat is it running? |
| 01:23.00 | zhtoor | how do i acquire HP-UX ? |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | call HP |
| 01:23.08 | orlock | i havent fired it up for a year i think |
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| 01:23.21 | zhtoor | cost ? |
| 01:23.22 | plusran | zhtor lots of $$$ or l33t sk1ls |
| 01:23.24 | g3brown | On Sarge 3.1. I want to change dns lookup info. That in /etc/network/interfaces or resolv.conf ? |
| 01:23.25 | AlienX | pipeline, I've run linux on SPARC, MIPS, PPC, x86, etc. HP_UX just sucks |
| 01:23.26 | deadcat | plusran: ya. but no fps |
| 01:23.27 | abrotman | zhtoor: call HP |
| 01:23.35 | pipeline | AlienX: Then you're fuckin' crazy. |
| 01:23.40 | pipeline | zhtoor: You're better off ebaying it. |
| 01:23.44 | orlock | dos anybody here tftp/pxe boot debian? |
| 01:23.47 | pipeline | AlienX: Linux isn't worth shit outside of the x86 world. |
| 01:23.48 | sorsis | zhtoor: check their web page |
| 01:23.49 | deadcat | i am using: Xcursor.theme: whiteglass right now (= |
| 01:23.55 | pipeline | orlock: It's very easy. There are PXE boot images on every install mirror. |
| 01:24.02 | AlienX | pipeline, nah. Totally wrong. |
| 01:24.05 | pipeline | orlock: Just look for netboot.tar.gz |
| 01:24.12 | pipeline | AlienX: Balderdash. |
| 01:24.14 | orlock | ahh, i was looking on the netinst cd |
| 01:24.16 | AlienX | pipeline, just have to be willing to compile a lot of your own packages |
| 01:24.21 | pipeline | AlienX: um, fuck that noise. |
| 01:24.31 | pipeline | AlienX: I do this for a living. I don't have time to fuck with that kind of shit. |
| 01:24.42 | pipeline | AlienX: I like little things called "ISV support" and "not having to write my own drivers" |
| 01:24.53 | zhtoor | had anybody actually *used* debian on hp c3000 ? |
| 01:25.05 | pipeline | zhtoor: Oh, I'm sure some crazy fucker has, but you're better off buying HP-UX media off of ebay. |
| 01:25.05 | unstable | !tell zhtoor about anyone |
| 01:25.08 | Stevie | has anybody ever actually *used* an hp c3000? |
| 01:25.13 | AlienX | pipeline, I don't remember the last time I had to write my own driver for anything. |
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| 01:25.24 | unstable | j 5 |
| 01:25.32 | Stevie | unstable: you sunk my battleship! |
| 01:25.38 | pipeline | AlienX: You haven't spent much time with Linux on proper UNIX hardware, then. Most hardware is simply unsupported outside the vendor's own OS. |
| 01:25.40 | plusran | ha =) |
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| 01:26.05 | AlienX | pipeline, that's totally not true. Look at what I said above. I've been doing this since '98. |
| 01:26.24 | Stevie | Your Fire Sword (16 90%) has broken. |
| 01:26.24 | Stevie | You lose a Fire Sword. |
| 01:26.25 | Stevie | oops |
| 01:26.43 | AlienX | fire sword? |
| 01:26.46 | pipeline | AlienX: Uh, riiiiight. |
| 01:26.49 | plusran | should have known that was used by someone else. |
| 01:26.50 | Stevie | pipeline: and for most x86 hardware, the "vendor's own OS" is Windows. What's your point? |
| 01:26.51 | abrotman | pipeline: s/supported/supported well/ |
| 01:26.56 | nachoguy | fire sword? does it run debian? |
| 01:27.02 | pipeline | Stevie: That's not true. Many x86 vendors sell SCO UNIX and Redhat. |
| 01:27.14 | AlienX | Stevie, he doesn't he's just trolling. |
| 01:27.14 | pipeline | Stevie: And that's always been the case. Microsoft doesn't even sell hardware. |
| 01:27.15 | plusran | sco unix? |
| 01:27.24 | orlock | xenix! |
| 01:27.25 | pipeline | Stevie: Hell, Dell used to rebrand SCO and sell it as "Dell UNIX" |
| 01:27.33 | plusran | did they burn down trying to sue linux? |
| 01:27.34 | pipeline | orlock: Heh, they abandoned the "xenix" name a long time ago. |
| 01:27.35 | nachoguy | sco unix? Now I KNOW someone's trolling |
| 01:27.37 | dondelelcaro | sco and other unices are totally OT here. |
| 01:27.50 | Gnea | pipeline: really? when? url? |
| 01:27.50 | dondelelcaro | If it's not Debian, it belongs in some other channel. |
| 01:27.51 | orlock | ahh, topic drift... |
| 01:27.59 | streuner_ | (warning) |
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| 01:28.07 | sorsis | pipeline: he said FOR MOST. and that was true |
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| 01:28.27 | abrotman | streuner_: warning? |
| 01:28.31 | dondelelcaro | sorsis, Gnea, pipeline, plusran, AlienX: yes, this means you... |
| 01:28.39 | streuner_ | abrotman: warning! |
| 01:28.49 | abrotman | about what? |
| 01:28.49 | Gnea | i don't say anything in over a day and I'm given a warning already. |
| 01:28.58 | AlienX | dondelelcaro, if you haven't noticed, I haven't said anything post your comment... |
| 01:29.01 | deadcat | Gnea: crackdown |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm going to send you to Wisconsin! |
| 01:29.10 | Stevie | Warning! Warning! |
| 01:29.18 | Gnea | deadcat: and i'm not on the receiving end. |
| 01:29.36 | dondelelcaro | AlienX: yes, it's pre-emptive... |
| 01:29.37 | plusran | brb, bouncing X |
| 01:29.43 | orlock | pipeline: hmm, cant see the pxe in netboot.tar.gz |
| 01:29.50 | Stevie | lol |
| 01:29.53 | zhtoor | debian on hp c3000? anybody, i have a bunch of these mothers lying idle, can i use debian on c3000? and how? |
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| 01:30.07 | abrotman | zhtoor: how about you try it |
| 01:30.09 | Stevie | the c3000 makes a great doorstop |
| 01:30.10 | unstable | zhtoor: Throw them out |
| 01:30.13 | dvs | zhtoor: if we knew what a c3000 was |
| 01:30.18 | dondelelcaro | zhtoor: isn't that a pa risc? I don't remember if we still support that chip. |
| 01:30.23 | Stevie | Bit big for a paperweight though |
| 01:30.24 | pipeline | zhtoor: ebay |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | !pa-risc |
| 01:30.29 | dpkg | [pa-risc] http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 01:30.41 | zhtoor | yeah the pa-risc... |
| 01:30.56 | zhtoor | thanks dpkg.... |
| 01:30.56 | dpkg | zhtoor: my pleasure |
| 01:30.58 | Stevie | what about the ma-risc? |
| 01:31.01 | dondelelcaro | zhtoor: http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ |
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| 01:31.11 | abrotman | zhtoor: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/hppa/ |
| 01:31.13 | Stevie | (what is a c3000?) |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | Stevie: what is google? |
| 01:31.42 | Stevie | google is a search engine |
| 01:31.47 | pipeline | Stevie: http://www.openpa.net/systems/allegro.html |
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| 01:32.15 | plusran | so what was that warning about anyway? no politics allowed? |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | being totally OT |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | beware streuner! |
| 01:32.28 | Gnea | pipeline: okay, so yeah, there was a dell unix - what's that got to do with debian? |
| 01:32.39 | plusran | "OT" off topic huh. |
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| 01:32.50 | Stevie | Gnea: both start with 'D'! |
| 01:32.53 | plusran | and that's strictly enforced? |
| 01:32.54 | Stevie | in fact |
| 01:32.59 | Stevie | both start with 'De' |
| 01:33.06 | jmd | Why is fusermount installed with mode 770 ? |
| 01:33.13 | unstable | !google |
| 01:33.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | plusran: you can try your luck .. worst that happens is you get +q'ed for a bit |
| 01:33.18 | dondelelcaro | plusran: if you're warned and you continue, you'll be devoiced. |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | why not 757? |
| 01:33.51 | deadcat | jmd: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root fuse 18376 Mar 23 03:06 /usr/bin/fusermount |
| 01:33.53 | travisat | or 777 |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | or 767 |
| 01:34.09 | Stevie | 1337! |
| 01:34.09 | travisat | or 707 |
| 01:34.13 | zhtoor | how about 007 |
| 01:34.36 | Stevie | t-wx-wxrwx |
| 01:34.42 | snappix | 4 8 15 16 23 42 |
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| 01:34.46 | jmd | deadcat, -rwsr-x--- 1 root root 18376 2006-03-23 19:06 /usr/bin/fusermount |
| 01:34.55 | deadcat | jmd: maybe someone got into your fox |
| 01:34.58 | deadcat | ^fox^box |
| 01:35.09 | yawg | is there a way to use a gmail account on command line, possibly mutt? |
| 01:35.14 | deadcat | enought chatting. baseball time |
| 01:35.17 | travisat | if somebody got into my fox they would be so dead |
| 01:35.22 | plusran | where are these OT rules outlined? |
| 01:35.43 | yacc_ | in the minds of minolta |
| 01:35.49 | plusran | =) |
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| 01:36.51 | streuner_ | plusran: in IRC ops decided whats OT and what ON-Topic, stay longer here and you know what OT is... |
| 01:36.51 | Gnea | plusran: the people who have ops outlined them. |
| 01:36.58 | tyreth | How do I list what packages are currently installed on my system? |
| 01:37.07 | nachoguy | tyreth: dpkg -l |
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| 01:37.17 | travisat | tyreth: its easier to use aptitude |
| 01:37.17 | tyreth | thanks |
| 01:37.19 | Gnea | tyreth: dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 01:37.30 | zrin | VT8251 - did anyone got SATA working? |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | ^ii |
| 01:37.45 | jmd | deadcat what version of fuse-utils have you installed ? |
| 01:37.50 | dondelelcaro | and probably ^[hi]i... |
| 01:37.54 | stew | jmd: it is suid root, so it will execute with root permissions for anyone who is able to execute it which is why it isn't o+x |
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| 01:38.30 | jmd | stew: But it needs to be executable by users. |
| 01:38.38 | plusran | so basicly i stick around and watch people get warned. |
| 01:38.40 | stew | jmd: i believe it should be group owned by fuse however, so that you can give users ability to do this by adding them to the fuse group |
| 01:38.51 | jmd | stew, That's why it's called fUSERmount |
| 01:39.21 | orlock | Hmm, i annot seem to boot from any of the ia64 images |
| 01:39.24 | stew | jmd: if it installed as root:root instead of root:fuse, that might be a bug, check /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian to see what it says about it though |
| 01:39.27 | streuner_ | plusran: if you are new to a channel, just watch the behavior of others |
| 01:39.51 | Gnea | plusran: what do you do when you walk into a grocery store? |
| 01:39.56 | plusran | streuner_ unfortunatly i'm old to the channel. alot has changed since i was here last. |
| 01:39.57 | multidex | Hello - my system says I have the latest bittorrent, but when i open a torrent file from the web to download it - it says "Save" or "Open with" - and I don't know what the executible is, can someone tell me what app I should open it with? |
| 01:40.00 | stew | dondelelcaro: shouldn't it just "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" does it matter at all what is in the first column? |
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| 01:40.34 | travisat | multidex: btdownloadblah, where blah is curses, gui, etc |
| 01:40.45 | dondelelcaro | stew: I suppose; it really depends on why you want to know the list of installed packages |
| 01:40.45 | multidex | thanks travisat |
| 01:41.09 | travisat | multidex: check in /usr/bin for supported options on your system |
| 01:41.24 | sanxiyn | stew: dpkg -l ? |
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| 01:42.07 | stew | sanxiyn: yeah? |
| 01:42.08 | jmd | When I do "dpkg --purge fuse-utils |
| 01:42.08 | jmd | " I get " subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 01:42.08 | jmd | " How do I debug this? |
| 01:42.16 | sanxiyn | stew: ? |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | look in the post-removal script in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 01:43.15 | dondelelcaro | jmd: add a set -x to the top of the fuse-utils postrm script and see where it's bailing out. |
| 01:43.20 | plusran | gnea: i try to pick up chicks; you? |
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| 01:43.47 | jmd | dondelelcaro, Thanks. |
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| 01:44.10 | Gnea | plusran: i pm'd you on purpose. |
| 01:44.32 | plusran | gnea: pm? personal message? |
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| 01:44.48 | tabris|away | or 'private message' yeah. |
| 01:44.50 | travisat | personal, private, pointless |
| 01:46.02 | jmd | It's completely fscked! How do I find out the verion of a package? |
| 01:46.08 | plusran | looks like i have to be registered to pm. |
| 01:46.14 | gcbirzan | dpkg -l |
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| 01:47.36 | plusran | seems i've done enough damage here. i guess i'll stop bothering everybody. |
| 01:47.40 | plusran | have a goodnight |
| 01:48.14 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: you're welcome. |
| 01:49.28 | dondelelcaro | jmd: you can just remove the postrm if you want; that does mean that you'll have to manually clean up any files that dpkg -L fails to list, though. |
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| 01:49.47 | PredaGR | can I use DHCPd to give a host two IPs from different subnets? |
| 01:49.59 | PredaGR | and if so, how |
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| 01:50.06 | dondelelcaro | PredaGR: with different client ids, yes, but that's generally insane. |
| 01:50.22 | xored | how do i let the consolte use a specific charset or check the current ? |
| 01:51.06 | PredaGR | like I have several internet IP and my whole network works with private IP, need to add private IP to still see internal network |
| 01:51.13 | obscuresoul | how do i start iptables? i cannot see it in `ps aux' |
| 01:51.36 | dondelelcaro | PredaGR: so set up a router to route between the different subnets or set your subnet masks so that they match the physical network. |
| 01:51.36 | danieldg | obscuresoul: iptables isn't a process. It's an interface to the kernel |
| 01:52.31 | obscuresoul | danieldg: so can't i stop/start it by myself? |
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| 01:52.47 | Gnea | obscuresoul: iptables is controlled in the kernel via the iptables command |
| 01:52.49 | danieldg | obscuresoul: you don't start/stop it. You load rulesets into the kernel |
| 01:52.50 | Gnea | !iptables |
| 01:52.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 01:52.56 | xored | how do i let the consolte use a specific charset or check the current ? |
| 01:52.58 | jmd | What's the latest version of fuse-utils ? |
| 01:53.07 | dondelelcaro | !+info fuse-utils |
| 01:53.09 | dpkg | fuse-utils: (Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.5.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
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| 01:53.36 | jmd | I suppose it's up to me to report the bugs then. |
| 01:53.45 | obscuresoul | Gnea:, danieldg tks |
| 01:54.11 | dondelelcaro | jmd: if they aren't already reported, yes. |
| 01:54.19 | dvs | Linus and crew FINALLY got my TV card working properly |
| 01:55.00 | dondelelcaro | jmd: looks like #325993, actually... |
| 01:55.22 | Gnea | jmd: it's up to anyone who uses it |
| 01:56.29 | jmd | dondelelcaro, Yes. Although it says resolved. So why doesn't it work in the latest version ? |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | dvs: why were you waiting for them? :) |
| 01:57.41 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Heh. |
| 01:57.41 | dvs | abrotman: Well, it kinda worked but the fine adjustments on xawtv were WAY outta wack. Something like +400 |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:57.57 | asg | !beer abrotman |
| 01:57.58 | jmd | !vi |
| 01:57.59 | dpkg | it has been said that vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 01:58.04 | xored | how to switch the charset of the console or just check it ? |
| 01:58.06 | abrotman | yay@ |
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| 01:58.38 | thc | yo, is it safe to manually edit /var/lib/dpkg/available and remove an entire package section? |
| 01:58.48 | thc | dpkg complains about a corrupt package name when i try and update+upgrade, trying to purge the package also outputs an error |
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| 01:59.11 | abrotman | thc: wtf have you been hiding? |
| 01:59.15 | thc | jail. |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | thc: you missed an "abrotmen" today |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | say what? |
| 01:59.22 | thc | what's uyp abrotman |
| 01:59.25 | sanxiyn | thc: I've done that before with apparently no ill effect. |
| 01:59.25 | thc | i'm kidding |
| 01:59.30 | thc | new chick only has dial up |
| 01:59.33 | sanxiyn | YMMV etc. |
| 01:59.34 | thc | i won't use dial up |
| 01:59.41 | thc | ok sanxiyn cheers |
| 01:59.49 | thc | i just don't want a shitload of more errors |
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| 02:00.01 | asg | thc: better than shouting |
| 02:00.08 | klock | hey, what is the device name of your keyboard? like /dev/? |
| 02:00.11 | thc | haha what's up asg |
| 02:00.25 | asg | thc: busy but doing well, you? |
| 02:00.31 | thc | abrotmen eh |
| 02:00.35 | thc | plural abrotman |
| 02:00.38 | nse | klock: my keyboard? |
| 02:00.53 | klock | nse: sure |
| 02:01.20 | thc | i'll be back i need to update 150 packages |
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| 02:01.26 | abrotman | stop hiding! |
| 02:02.20 | orlock | Hmm, is anybody here using a 3ware card with debian? |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | !vagueness |
| 02:02.32 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 02:02.36 | unstable | !tell orlock about anyone |
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| 02:03.03 | dgtlhoon | orlock, hoi hoi |
| 02:03.21 | orlock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:03.28 | orlock | and i cannot see a /proc/bus/scsi/ |
| 02:03.52 | xored | how to switch the charset of the console or just check it ? |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | orlock: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 02:05.04 | nse | klock: i don't know |
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| 02:05.18 | thc | asg: doing good man, busy as hell working two jobs |
| 02:05.25 | thc | making good money though |
| 02:05.29 | klock | nse: me neither, I am trying to set up snes9x and I dont know my keyboards device name |
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| 02:05.41 | asg | thc: excellent. |
| 02:06.09 | thc | what's been crackin up in here |
| 02:07.02 | IceTox | Anyone here good with ssh error messages? |
| 02:07.08 | dvs | !anyone |
| 02:07.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:07.14 | abrotman | thc: well .. we got a fish tank .. and a new dog |
| 02:07.14 | IceTox | ah |
| 02:07.23 | thc | salt or fresh water? |
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| 02:07.34 | thc | and you shouldn't keep your dog in a fish tank... |
| 02:07.36 | dvs | abrotman: in the fish tank!?! |
| 02:07.41 | unstable | abrotman: You using xorg 7.0? |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:07.57 | abrotman | do i look insane enough to be gravity's testbed? |
| 02:08.04 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Yes. |
| 02:08.08 | thc | i used to have a salt water/reef tank, that shit was a nightmare to maintain |
| 02:08.16 | thc | it's like having a newborn child |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | sanxiyn: it was just that one time .. in the umbrella hat! |
| 02:08.29 | orlock | what happened to he guy ranting about debian being the only topic here? |
| 02:08.32 | sanxiyn | I found dist-upgrade to work better for xorg upgrade this time. |
| 02:08.39 | unstable | gravity: switching virtual terminals doesn't work, via alt f1 or alt f3 etc. I am stuck in virtual terminal 7(gui) and I can't get out. |
| 02:08.44 | dvs | orlock: you CANT be serious? |
| 02:08.45 | thc | orlock: he's complaining in another channel. |
| 02:09.01 | IceTox | Can someone please help me with a error message I get while login to a server via ssh? |
| 02:09.01 | unstable | control alt f1, that is. control alt f3 |
| 02:09.15 | IceTox | unstable, you're a postal driver? |
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| 02:10.36 | flaco | a laptop with integrated wireless and ethernet card... how can a set the eth0 as wireless and eth1 as ethernet card...? |
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| 02:11.39 | orlock | ok, 3ware have an iso image for debian sarge 3.1 that supports their newer controllers |
| 02:11.47 | orlock | how is that for vendor support :) |
| 02:12.05 | orlock | http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=14860 |
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| 02:13.35 | orlock | abrotman: the problem had nothing to do with it being amd64 |
| 02:13.53 | dvs | orlock: It's probably SATA |
| 02:13.54 | orlock | abrotman: the problem was that the debian installer did not support the 3ware card. |
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| 02:14.07 | donius | hi all. dmesg gives me this: Warning only 896MB will be used, use himem kernel. Googled it to death, and for as many say to do it, as many say don't do it. Should I? I run 1gig RAM on a dual channel 2800 AMD. TY |
| 02:14.09 | orlock | its definetly sata, and that should not matter :) |
| 02:14.16 | dvs | !sata |
| 02:14.17 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | orlock: oh .. |
| 02:14.25 | orlock | *boggle* |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | orlock: might be too new |
| 02:14.29 | dvs | that's old! |
| 02:14.31 | orlock | dvs: its a 3ware card! |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | !tell orlock about sarge 2.6.12 |
| 02:14.49 | orlock | dvs: http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=14860 |
| 02:15.18 | orlock | sata or pata, 3ware have shithot linux support :) |
| 02:15.37 | sanxiyn | donius: I recommend HIGHMEM if you have 1G RAM, but it's for you to decide. |
| 02:15.38 | dondelelcaro | orlock: for a 3ware card, it matters not. |
| 02:15.46 | dondelelcaro | orlock: they appear as scsi drives. |
| 02:15.56 | orlock | dondelelcaro: yes, i know all of this :) |
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| 02:16.15 | orlock | dondelelcaro: the problem i had was that the debian installer didnt see the drive at al, even though i had loaded the module |
| 02:16.15 | dondelelcaro | orlock: and yes, the installer will support it. You just have to use the 2.6 kernel, not the 2.4 kernel. |
| 02:16.24 | orlock | it was the 2.6 kernel |
| 02:16.29 | dondelelcaro | orlock: which 3ware card? |
| 02:16.32 | unstable | How can I switch to virtual terminal 4, besides typing "Control Alt F4"? |
| 02:16.38 | dondelelcaro | unstable: chvt |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i thought the amd64 unofficial installer only used 2.6 |
| 02:16.44 | stew | it depends if it is a 9500 3ware or less afaik |
| 02:16.44 | unstable | thanks dondelelcaro good call |
| 02:17.00 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, we're talking amd64? |
| 02:17.02 | orlock | dondelelcaro: pci-x 9550sx |
| 02:17.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think he had the amd64 BC iso |
| 02:17.14 | donius | sanxiyn: TY. I guess I'll have to try it then. Have you found it to be unstable at all? |
| 02:17.14 | dondelelcaro | orlock: have you tried the etch installer? |
| 02:17.23 | orlock | dondelelcaro: just downloading the 3ware amd64 installer now |
| 02:17.29 | jmd | unstable, When I type that, I get "Control: command not found". |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | <orlock> have just booted an opteron system with debian-31r0a-amd64-businesscard.is |
| 02:17.40 | sanxiyn | donius: No unstablity so far. |
| 02:18.21 | dondelelcaro | donius: the unstability isn't the issue, it's just that it may be slower to use himem, and you waste some of the memory |
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| 02:20.04 | donius | dondelelcaro: SO would you think I should leave it alone? I was thinking I was wasting not using himem. |
| 02:20.08 | orlock | dondelelcaro: i usually roll my own rpm based installers and stuff, dont use debian much |
| 02:20.20 | dondelelcaro | orlock: *shrug* |
| 02:20.40 | orlock | dondelelcaro: http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=14860 looks like it should sort out my problem though |
| 02:20.42 | dondelelcaro | donius: I've always turned it on when I have >=1G of memory... so there's really no reason not to |
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| 02:21.04 | orlock | debian_sarge_3.1_9500S_9550SX_support_x86_64 .iso :) |
| 02:22.34 | donius | dondelelcaro: TY & sanxiyn: TY. xconfig, here I come. :-) |
| 02:23.40 | abrotman | there are sarge kernels that have himem enabled |
| 02:23.58 | abrotman | donius: moment |
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| 02:24.32 | StuckMojo | hmmm |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | donius: the 2.6-k7 kernel has highmem enabled |
| 02:25.05 | peterrooney | quit |
| 02:25.16 | sanxiyn | abrotman: I believe non-386 kernels have it enabled. |
| 02:25.22 | sanxiyn | (686, k*, etc.) |
| 02:25.22 | donius | abrotman: ty |
| 02:25.29 | StuckMojo | if i were to attempt the upgrade to x.org 7 in unstable, it wants to uninstall my nvidia binary drivers (nvidia-glx). if i let that go will i be able to install them again? |
| 02:25.32 | abrotman | donius: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | sanxiyn: well . .the 2.6 ones anyways |
| 02:26.11 | sanxiyn | abrotman: 2.4 too. |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i didn't think they did |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | !kernel configs |
| 02:26.27 | dpkg | hmm... kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
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| 02:26.58 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Useful resource. |
| 02:27.01 | StuckMojo | "adds 3D support, but is binary-only and not supported." ah |
| 02:27.06 | StuckMojo | looks like that's a no |
| 02:27.07 | sanxiyn | abrotman: CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y in config-2.4.27-2-686. |
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| 02:27.58 | StuckMojo | looks like i'll have to learn how to pin a package at a version |
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| 02:28.05 | StuckMojo | anyone got a link to a doc? |
| 02:28.13 | unstable | !tell StuckMojo about pinning |
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| 02:28.26 | sanxiyn | StuckMojo: Well, you can just hold it instead. |
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| 02:30.00 | minerale[d] | what is the main difference between blackbox and fluxbox? |
| 02:30.19 | StuckMojo | blackbox is smaller i think |
| 02:30.49 | capiCrimm | minerale[d], fluxbox is more progressive and feature-rich, and it's development is more active. |
| 02:30.52 | donius | Have a good night all. |
| 02:31.13 | StuckMojo | blackbox is basically not developed anymore AFAIK |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | StuckMojo: yes it is |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | blackboxwm.sf.net |
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| 02:32.02 | StuckMojo | i've seen very slow and minor changes in it |
| 02:32.04 | kspath | openbox3 |
| 02:32.12 | abrotman | StuckMojo: don't mess with perfection? :) |
| 02:32.16 | StuckMojo | exactly :) |
| 02:32.34 | Xenguy | minerale[d]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbox and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluxbox |
| 02:32.36 | abrotman | i started using blackbox when it was still hosted at alug .. |
| 02:32.46 | orlock | woo, that 3ware installer worked fin when the debian one choked :) |
| 02:33.02 | Xenguy | minerale[d]: fluxbox is a fork(?), and there's also Openbox |
| 02:33.50 | kspath | Openbox3 and Ion3 are nice |
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| 02:35.08 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 02:35.28 | minerale[d] | thanks for all the help guys, I admin blackbox is running faster on my (8$) vhost |
| 02:35.40 | capiCrimm | I thought openbox development stopped? |
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| 02:35.45 | thc | you admin blackbox? gimme a shell. |
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| 02:36.39 | Xenguy | kspath: does OB have 'tabbed windows' ? |
| 02:36.51 | StuckMojo | well...i think i'll stay away from xorg 7 for now |
| 02:36.56 | minerale[d] | thc: s/admin/admit * |
| 02:36.57 | StuckMojo | i'm not in the mood to break X |
| 02:37.10 | kspath | Xenguy why does it need it? If you want tabs look at ion |
| 02:37.15 | streuner_ | StuckMojo: just runs fine here |
| 02:37.21 | unstable | streuner_: xorg 7 runs great |
| 02:37.31 | unstable | StuckMojo: xorg7 runs great |
| 02:37.32 | Xenguy | kspath: I only asked if it had that feature :-) |
| 02:37.43 | StuckMojo | with the nvidia-* packages? |
| 02:37.46 | kspath | Xenguy: Is that a feature ? |
| 02:37.47 | unstable | StuckMojo: It's running like a chinese badger in the moutains. So smooth and flawless. |
| 02:37.48 | streuner_ | yes |
| 02:37.54 | streuner_ | StuckMojo: yes |
| 02:38.02 | streuner_ | StuckMojo: FX 5200 here |
| 02:38.06 | StuckMojo | really. hmm..maybe i just need to update them |
| 02:38.20 | StuckMojo | does it depend on the broken libc6 ? |
| 02:38.21 | Xenguy | kspath: in fluxbox it is apparently (I've used none of the *boxes actually :-) |
| 02:38.34 | StuckMojo | well..the libc6 that breaks stuff |
| 02:38.41 | streuner_ | StuckMojo: you don't need to update libc6 |
| 02:38.47 | kspath | Xenguy: fluxbox does not implement it more like a bug? |
| 02:39.02 | StuckMojo | streuner_ yeah dist-upgrade wants to |
| 02:39.16 | StuckMojo | cool |
| 02:39.17 | Xenguy | kspath: if you say so - I use xfce4 and gnome lately |
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| 02:41.21 | kspath | Xenguy: good luck |
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| 02:41.55 | Xenguy | kspath: don't be silly - choice is what it is all about |
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| 02:42.51 | kspath | Xenguy: I am always silly. Choice is all about what? |
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| 02:43.29 | unstable | StuckMojo: libc6 upgrade is fine, no problems. |
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| 02:44.15 | adrakoa | hi |
| 02:44.20 | kspath | ih |
| 02:44.20 | unstable | !greet adrakoa |
| 02:44.20 | dpkg | Howdy, adrakoa |
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| 02:45.09 | tedp | Any chance David Nusinow is here? |
| 02:45.24 | unstable | tedp: What is this person's irc alias? |
| 02:45.41 | tedp | possibly dnusinow |
| 02:45.46 | tedp | dnusinow@debian.org is his email |
| 02:45.47 | unstable | !seen dnusinow |
| 02:45.47 | dpkg | unstable: i haven't seen 'dnusinow' |
| 02:45.59 | tedp | re: bug 362077 |
| 02:46.07 | unstable | tedp: email them, and tedp you'd probably be better off asking in #debian-devel |
| 02:46.16 | streuner_ | !dbugs 362077 |
| 02:46.19 | dpkg | #362077:N[xserver-xorg-core] xserver-xorg-core: Need to warn people with customized configs about changes; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:03:05 UTC |
| 02:46.27 | unstable | ahh, tedp You want gravity |
| 02:46.37 | tedp | well, i upgraded unstable's xorg packages this morning and now global hotkeys don't work - can't use hotkeys for amarok but more importantly Ctrl+Alt+Fn keys don't work |
| 02:46.52 | unstable | !tell tedp about unstable |
| 02:46.55 | Stevie | and that's why it's called unstable |
| 02:46.56 | Stevie | :) |
| 02:46.58 | tedp | i know about unstable |
| 02:47.03 | tedp | i've been using it for months |
| 02:47.04 | IceTox | brb |
| 02:47.18 | unstable | tedp: Then you should know things break in unstable. |
| 02:47.21 | tedp | yes |
| 02:47.35 | menko | tedp: I'm not going to be upgrading my xorg untill xorg7 settles down, it's only been introduced recently |
| 02:47.38 | tedp | well in the bug report he says "I dealt with a couple of these bugs in #debian today", hence me coming here |
| 02:47.40 | unstable | tedp: Use chvt |
| 02:47.41 | unstable | chvt 3 |
| 02:48.07 | menko | besides, the server I use hasn't updated this month yet! |
| 02:48.19 | StuckMojo | yay! pinning is alot easier than i thought. thanks guys! |
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| 02:48.30 | tedp | menko: do you find the priorities confusing? |
| 02:48.50 | menko | tedp: which priorities? |
| 02:49.02 | tedp | pinning |
| 02:49.09 | menko | what's that? |
| 02:49.32 | tedp | sorry, misread StuckMojo's comment as yours |
| 02:49.35 | streuner_ | a bitch |
| 02:49.39 | streuner_ | !pinning |
| 02:49.40 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
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| 02:50.15 | menko | what's statusofunstable? |
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| 02:50.39 | adrakoa | i probe links2 -g ... i'm very surprised... i want my frame buffer "intelfb", i compile inside kernel VGA && intelfb, but always start in vga, some advices?? excuse my english... |
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| 02:51.08 | unstable | adrakoa: What is your native language? |
| 02:51.29 | adrakoa | unstable es |
| 02:51.43 | thc | !es |
| 02:51.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:52.15 | adrakoa | i speak english, bad but ... :) |
| 02:53.00 | jmd | ... better than most of us speak Spanish. |
| 02:53.09 | unstable | adrakoa: type /join #debian-es in your irc client |
| 02:53.19 | adrakoa | i write in grub [append=]video=intelfb..... but anything |
| 02:53.30 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.32 | StuckMojo | can you use wildcards in the package names as well? |
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| 02:53.36 | Gwydon | :D |
| 02:53.36 | StuckMojo | in apt_preferences |
| 02:53.36 | yacc_ | that's lilo stuff |
| 02:53.59 | adrakoa | i prefer speak english, i don't know :) |
| 02:54.12 | dotjsd | Hello all.. I had debian installed for about 4 months .. learning some good stuff here is me or are they slow in updating their "dep" for software.. any reason but they are just behind |
| 02:54.14 | Gwydon | je ne pas parle anglais |
| 02:54.24 | StuckMojo | ah yeah, i see you can |
| 02:54.32 | adrakoa | jajaja |
| 02:54.34 | yacc_ | put video=intelfb on the kernel line |
| 02:54.38 | unstable | dotjsd: What version of debian are you using? |
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| 02:55.02 | streuner | !fr |
| 02:55.02 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 02:55.03 | menko | Is it normal for a mirror (for unstable) to not update for two weeks? |
| 02:55.06 | dotjsd | sarge2 |
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| 02:55.58 | menko | it's ftp.nz.debian.org |
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| 02:56.07 | unstable | dotjsd: Sarge isn't supposed to have software version upgrades. |
| 02:56.15 | unstable | dotjsd: It never will. It will always be old software. |
| 02:56.16 | adrakoa | yacc_ i read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt, i follow the steps, but anything.. |
| 02:56.33 | unstable | dotjsd: It will only get security updates, and never version upgrades. |
| 02:56.55 | xange | how do I run a X app w/root privileges? |
| 02:57.01 | unstable | dotjsd: Are you using your debian box for a desktop or a production server? |
| 02:57.12 | yacc_ | adrakoa: append= is lilo stuff... grub doesn't understand that |
| 02:57.21 | unstable | xange: apt-get install sux |
| 02:57.24 | xange | ty |
| 02:57.29 | unstable | xange: sux root program |
| 02:57.33 | adrakoa | yacc_ i try with & without append |
| 02:57.34 | unstable | xange: Then put in your root password, and hit enter. |
| 02:57.50 | xange | yeah I've used sudo before, just didn't know about sux |
| 02:58.10 | yacc_ | where did you put the video=whatever? |
| 02:58.13 | StuckMojo | l8r |
| 02:58.14 | xange | hell I run just about everything w/sudo |
| 02:58.37 | adrakoa | yacc_ if i compile kernel without vga, only i915, you think are there any problem? |
| 02:58.39 | dotjsd | so what version should I look in getting my system to replace sarge |
| 02:58.48 | yacc_ | where did you put the video=whatever? |
| 02:59.18 | yacc_ | I don't know the answer to that |
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| 02:59.24 | adrakoa | yacc_ video=intelfb:800x600-32@75,accel,hwcursor,vram=8 |
| 02:59.33 | Daedalus_ | dotjsd: testing? |
| 02:59.44 | streuner_ | dotjsd: X is broken in etch nowadays, so just use backpprts |
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| 02:59.47 | yacc_ | where?? |
| 02:59.51 | dotjsd | no |
| 02:59.54 | streuner_ | s/backpprts/backports/ |
| 02:59.57 | dotjsd | learning |
| 03:00.02 | unstable | dotjsd: Are you using your debian box for a desktop or a production server? |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | streuner_: oddly my X in etch works just fine |
| 03:00.03 | yacc_ | on a line by itself? |
| 03:00.13 | Daedalus_ | dotjsd: replace sarge with testing... |
| 03:00.14 | dotjsd | desktop |
| 03:00.25 | streuner_ | abrotman: try to remove all packages and install it new... |
| 03:00.33 | yacc_ | put it at the end of the kernel line |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | streuner_: why would i do that? |
| 03:00.59 | abrotman | streuner_: you're saying i can't install xserver-xorg ? |
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| 03:01.04 | adrakoa | yacc_ yes, after root=/dev/hdax ro Here |
| 03:01.15 | Wyzard|TP | After upgrading to xorg7, Mesa's direct rendering doesn't work so 3D stuff is very slow -- is this a known problem? |
| 03:01.15 | streuner_ | abrotman: no, X is broken in etch |
| 03:01.18 | yacc_ | not there |
| 03:01.31 | yacc_ | put it at the end of the --->kernel<--- line |
| 03:01.35 | abrotman | no way! |
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| 03:01.40 | unstable | !tell Wyzard|TP about bts |
| 03:01.42 | adrakoa | okiz yacc_ i return now |
| 03:01.45 | unstable | !tell Wyzard|TP about unstable |
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| 03:01.50 | abrotman | streuner_: you mean the dependencies can't be satisfied .. not that it's actually broken |
| 03:01.59 | dotjsd | ustable: what release has up to dep that are stable |
| 03:02.04 | adrakoa | yacc_ thanks , i hope work |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: do you know about the bts? |
| 03:02.11 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: have you ever used linux before? |
| 03:02.14 | unstable | dotjsd: I would recommend for you to use "testing" |
| 03:02.19 | yacc_ | you'll never know until you try... |
| 03:02.33 | yacc_ | ok, I'm going now |
| 03:02.42 | unstable | dotjsd: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and replace every instance of "stable" or "sarge" with "testing" or "etch" , then type apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:02.44 | streuner_ | dotjsd: try backports as we told you before |
| 03:02.52 | streuner_ | !tell dotjsd about backports |
| 03:03.13 | Wyzard|TP | unstable: Yes, I understand, and I already checked the BTS for libgl1-mesa-dri (seems to be the right package for this problem) and found nothing |
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| 03:03.16 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: lol :-) |
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| 03:03.31 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: have you try a dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 03:04.12 | streuner_ | dotjsd: what your prior now? 1) just wanna learn or 2) have a up-to-date working desktop system? |
| 03:04.18 | Wyzard|TP | It's not a configuration issue as far as I can tell... glxinfo tells me "sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver" |
| 03:04.22 | tmarble | #kaffe |
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| 03:04.44 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: oh .. that can't be good |
| 03:04.47 | Wyzard|TP | It seems there's a compile-time mismatch between the Mesa library and the DRI driver shipped with xorg7 |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | xorg sucks .. use xfree! |
| 03:05.20 | scarynetworkguy | Stop slacking you lazy bum! |
| 03:05.34 | Wyzard|TP | but I'm sure other people are running into this problem today too, so I'm wondering whether anyone happens to have any further information |
| 03:05.51 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: if you wait 2-10 days .. i'll tell you what happens with my 830 :) |
| 03:05.59 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
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| 03:06.53 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 03:07.17 | elg | there seem to be a lot of different X packages these days, what with meta packages and xfree/xorg |
| 03:07.28 | elg | what are the core packages I need for the latest and greatest? |
| 03:07.41 | abrotman | x-window-system-core should get you something useful .. |
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| 03:08.01 | Wyzard|TP | elg: If you're running unstable, there are a lot more packages today because xorg is upgraded to 7.0, which uses many smaller packages rather than a few big ones |
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| 03:08.20 | elg | that's fine, but isn't there a meta package to wrap it all up? |
| 03:08.29 | elPepo | hi friends... |
| 03:08.29 | dondelelcaro | it's no longer x-window-system-core, it's xorg. |
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| 03:08.49 | elg | so should I allow x-window-system-core to go away and install xorg? |
| 03:08.55 | beered | how do I reconfigure deb apt srouces? |
| 03:09.05 | Wyzard|TP | elg: install the package "xorg" |
| 03:09.21 | streuner_ | beered: in stable run apt-setup |
| 03:09.23 | dondelelcaro | elg: you shouldn't need to do anything. It'll just happen. |
| 03:09.29 | xange | so with 2.6.15-1-amd64 am I able to run as 'testing' ? |
| 03:09.32 | elg | thanks |
| 03:09.36 | beered | streuner_: what about testing? |
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| 03:10.14 | streuner_ | beered: no idea |
| 03:10.28 | streuner_ | beered: if testing has apt-setup |
| 03:10.29 | dondelelcaro | xange: sure |
| 03:10.37 | streuner_ | !find apt-setup testing |
| 03:10.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-setup' (2): (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-setup.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/debian-cd/data/woody/apt-setup.html.in, /usr/share/debian-cd/data/potato/apt-setup.html.in) in admin/debian-cd. |
| 03:11.10 | dondelelcaro | it was in base-config, but it exists no longer. |
| 03:11.26 | streuner_ | beered: ^^^^ |
| 03:11.35 | beered | huh? |
| 03:11.44 | streuner_ | beered: so read man sources.list |
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| 03:13.05 | Wyzard|TP | OK, found my problem in the BTS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359328 |
| 03:13.11 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 359328 |
| 03:13.14 | dpkg | #359328:N[xserver-xorg-video-i810] xserver-xorg-video-i810: dri doesn't work (maybe because of kernel 2.6.16?); Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:18:45 UTC |
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| 03:14.11 | Wyzard|TP | doesn't really seem to be a 2.6.16 problem, though, because I've been running 2.6.16 for weeks |
| 03:14.55 | adrakoa | help , with intelfb ( inside kernel ) my pc always load vga.. help again |
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| 03:15.13 | xomhau | hi * |
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| 03:16.07 | elPepo | I wanted an AMD-Athlon of 64bits... but my friend give me an AMD-Geode... Is this processor the same? How do I know if this processor works with 64bits? |
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| 03:16.35 | andrew_ | ubantu and skype just cant install any hints? |
| 03:17.02 | streuner_ | andrew_: #ubuntu |
| 03:17.27 | xange | dondelelcaro: who? I looked in my /etc/apt/sources.list for stable so that i could s/table/testing/ but I didn't see in there |
| 03:17.39 | xange | lol, s/who/how/ |
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| 03:17.53 | dondelelcaro | xange: if you're running stable, run apt-setup. If you don't have apt-setup, install base-config. |
| 03:18.07 | dondelelcaro | xange: if you're not running stable, man 5 sources.list; and read how to write a deb line using your editor. |
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| 03:19.36 | dotjsd | unstable: thxs updating as we speak |
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| 03:20.35 | magyar | hola |
| 03:20.49 | jetscreamer | ok vobcopy rips the vobs off a dvd, but what converts an mpeg to dvd format with the ifo's and all that... dvdauthor? or does that just do the menus |
| 03:20.56 | magyar | anyone on sid? is xorg broken? |
| 03:21.17 | streuner_ | magyar: it runs fine here (FX 5200) |
| 03:21.20 | jetscreamer | xorg is not broken but updated (same thing but it's the packages that it wants to remove that aren't fixed) |
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| 03:22.17 | menko | magyar: xorg7 was just introduced, #debian-devel warned against upgrading, mentioning "prepare for fuckages"... |
| 03:22.28 | magyar | streuner_ i did and upgrade to some new version 1.7.7.0 and now i got console, and cant install X |
| 03:22.36 | jetscreamer | big major fuckage btw |
| 03:22.39 | beered | whats the difference between host.conf and hosts? |
| 03:22.48 | streuner_ | magyar: update and upgrade it |
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| 03:23.01 | xange | ty dondelelcaro |
| 03:23.11 | Wyzard|TP | Workaround succeeded -- accelerated 3D works again :-) |
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| 03:23.31 | obscuresoul | there is any that package providing the cvs client only? |
| 03:23.42 | obscuresoul | -that |
| 03:23.44 | magyar | streuner_ i cant fix it, i tried uninstalling, but if i select any xserver-* package some shiat is broken |
| 03:24.13 | magyar | menlo, kpackage just went ahead and strated installing shit |
| 03:25.05 | magyar | i rather stick to console than go winblows |
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| 03:25.18 | magyar | hope they have a fix soon |
| 03:25.19 | magyar | bahh |
| 03:25.26 | magyar | blehhh |
| 03:25.38 | jetscreamer | it's been like 3 days so far that i know of i think |
| 03:26.13 | jetscreamer | s/prepares/is\prepared/ |
| 03:26.21 | jetscreamer | oops... is\ p |
| 03:26.22 | streuner_ | magyar: you need libx11-data |
| 03:26.49 | streuner_ | magyar: that package was missing yesterday |
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| 03:27.18 | magyar | streuner_ i have that installed |
| 03:27.18 | streuner_ | magyar: you should be able to log as a user then |
| 03:27.21 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 03:27.44 | streuner_ | magyar: did you try to reconfigure X? |
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| 03:28.10 | obscuresoul | which package provides the cvs client? |
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| 03:28.50 | Wyzard|TP | obscuresoul: "cvs", I believe |
| 03:29.21 | magyar | streuner_ x is not installed, kpackage started doing some wierd shiat when i realized what its doing, puff xserver gone |
| 03:29.40 | streuner_ | so just use apt-get |
| 03:30.26 | magyar | streuner_ right now if i try to install xserver its starts bitching about missing packages |
| 03:30.31 | obscuresoul | Wyzard|TP: tks |
| 03:31.06 | magyar | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:31.06 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.06 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.06 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.06 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.07 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:31.45 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 03:31.46 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 03:31.58 | magyar | an in console |
| 03:32.10 | magyar | am |
| 03:32.13 | streuner_ | so #flood |
| 03:32.20 | magyar | k |
| 03:32.26 | unix_infidel | magyar: lol, screen and links :) |
| 03:33.41 | magyar | any whi, i fucked my self up softly |
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| 03:34.17 | magyar | does anyone know when will the rest of xorg& will arrive in sid? |
| 03:34.31 | magyar | xorg7 |
| 03:34.37 | gravity | magyar: As soon as the ftbfs are sorted out. It's all in for x86 already |
| 03:35.03 | magyar | gravity we talking a week? |
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| 03:35.34 | gravity | magyar: I don't know and I'm in a better position to know than anyone. |
| 03:35.37 | gravity | magyar: But yeah, most likely |
| 03:35.46 | jetscreamer | what is ftbfs |
| 03:35.54 | magyar | as long as there is a hope |
| 03:35.55 | gravity | Things are happening on that front, but there's still plenty of regular issues with the packages |
| 03:36.00 | gravity | jetscreamer: Fails To Build From Scratch |
| 03:36.03 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:36.03 | gravity | sorry |
| 03:36.08 | gravity | Too much Debian jargon :-) |
| 03:36.32 | streuner_ | hey, you are in #debian ;-) |
| 03:36.42 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: You should find a DD to translate for you. |
| 03:36.46 | jetscreamer | ok so it's not farktehbullfarkinchit |
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| 03:37.00 | gravity | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, where am I going to find one of those? |
| 03:37.24 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: No idea. But let me know if you do. :) |
| 03:37.28 | Wyzard|TP | gravity: Were you around a little earlier (15 minutes or so) when I was talking about the i810 3D bug? |
| 03:37.30 | chealer | gravity: From Scratch? are you serious? :) |
| 03:37.31 | magyar | am done for today |
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| 03:37.46 | gravity | Wyzard|TP: No |
| 03:38.42 | Wyzard|TP | gravity: Bug 359328 -- direct rendering fails with i810 on xorg7 |
| 03:38.58 | ceplma | chealer: why? buildd just rebuilds all packages (before uploading them to repository) from scratch (i.e., from the original triplet of orig.tar.gz, diff.gz and .dsc files) |
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| 03:39.31 | Wyzard|TP | gravity: It seems to be a compile-time mismatch between the Mesa library and the xorg video driver, and the workaround in that bug report (installing precompiled drivers from a DRI snapshot) worked for me |
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| 03:39.42 | chealer | ceplma: I mean I thought it was From Source |
| 03:40.03 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:40.29 | gravity | Wyzard|TP: Ok, I'll have a look at the repot again in the future. I'll be updating the i810 driver relatively soon anyway, so it should be fixed then |
| 03:40.45 | Wyzard|TP | gravity: cool, thanks |
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| 03:41.17 | Gokul | has anybody succeeded in getting Tora to work for Oracle on Debian? |
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| 03:41.47 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: Find one yet? |
| 03:41.54 | gravity | scarynetworkguy: No, still searching |
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| 03:42.35 | jetscreamer | yes it's dvdauthor |
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| 03:44.04 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: Heh. |
| 03:44.04 | Gokul | ??? |
| 03:45.32 | Gokul | Tora works with Mysql but i cannot for the life of me get it to work for Debian |
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| 03:46.34 | Explodinglemur | Trying to run an apt-get build-dep xastir on Debian Sarge, using the Xastir source from unstable. It's looking for libmagick-dev, which doesn't appear to exist in Stable. I thought I had done enough poking around to edit the necessary local files to trick it into using libmagick6-dev for a build-dep, but apt isn't cooperating and still trying to find libmagick-dev. An apt-cache showsrc xastir shows libmagick6-dev though. W |
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| 03:49.28 | lewwy | hey guys, i have a problem. whenever i go to run glxgears to verify 3d accel, it gives me "xlib Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" and "Xlib: No protocol specified" and finally "Error: couldn't open display (null)" any ideas? |
| 03:49.55 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: unset DISPLAY |
| 03:50.12 | lewwy | now it says "Error: couldn't open display (null)" |
| 03:50.26 | Wyzard|TP | oops, sorry -- my mistake |
| 03:50.30 | Wyzard|TP | Set it to ":0" |
| 03:50.44 | lewwy | unset DISPLAY:0 |
| 03:50.45 | lewwy | ? |
| 03:50.49 | Wyzard|TP | gah |
| 03:50.54 | Wyzard|TP | nevermind, I'm thinking of a different problem |
| 03:51.07 | Wyzard|TP | "localhost:0.0" would be wrong... ":0.0" should be fine |
| 03:51.30 | yanmorin | what is the command in debian to send bugs? |
| 03:51.44 | stew | yanmorin: reportbug |
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| 03:52.04 | lewwy | so any ideas Wyzard? |
| 03:52.23 | stew | lewwy: export DISPLAY=:0 ; are you running as the user that started x? |
| 03:52.23 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: Can you run other programs that use 3D? |
| 03:52.31 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: Try glxinfo |
| 03:52.35 | lewwy | i am running as the user who started x, yes |
| 03:52.44 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: ah... yes, and make sure you're not root or something |
| 03:52.45 | lewwy | root@lewwyfast:/home/lewwy# glxinfo |
| 03:52.45 | lewwy | Error: unable to open display (null) |
| 03:52.56 | Wyzard|TP | That's with DISPLAY=:0 ? |
| 03:52.56 | lewwy | ack was running as root |
| 03:52.56 | stew | lewwy: you logged into x as root? |
| 03:53.00 | lewwy | now its giving me another error |
| 03:53.06 | menko | hey, does anyone know where kde and gnome keep their menu files? |
| 03:53.09 | lewwy | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 03:53.09 | lewwy | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 03:53.21 | stew | menko: /usr/share/menu |
| 03:53.40 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: Have you customized your xorg.conf file? |
| 03:53.47 | lewwy | only for nvidia drivers |
| 03:53.51 | mmmiiikkkeee | i am having issues installing my graphics card its an ati card can any one help |
| 03:53.53 | lewwy | but i think i may have basterdized it |
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| 03:54.02 | menko | stew: errr, I thought that was what the menu-methods used to generate menus |
| 03:54.18 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: Check whether there's a line in the Module section that says: Load "glx" |
| 03:54.27 | lewwy | ah, another problem relating to glx |
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| 03:55.02 | lewwy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.06 | stew | menko: oh you might be right |
| 03:55.07 | lewwy | certainly is, olly |
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| 03:55.24 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: What nVidia-related changes did you make? |
| 03:55.30 | yanmorin | stew: thanks |
| 03:55.50 | tccccc | hi |
| 03:56.11 | lewwy | uhhh well first i tried to install it from the nvidia site |
| 03:56.17 | lewwy | and it broke my install |
| 03:56.21 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: That's a no-no... use the packages |
| 03:56.28 | lewwy | then i came here, and realised it was dumb |
| 03:56.37 | lewwy | then i used the packages |
| 03:57.00 | lewwy | and used the proggy to add the relevant nvidia thingies into x config |
| 03:57.12 | lewwy | then whenever my computer booted up, I got 3/4 screen of white |
| 03:57.28 | lewwy | so i used knopix live distro to take Load "GLX" out of the x config |
| 03:57.31 | lewwy | and that fixed my problem |
| 03:57.32 | lewwy | and then |
| 03:57.38 | lewwy | I added it back in at a later stage |
| 03:57.40 | lewwy | and it "worked" |
| 03:57.44 | lewwy | but glx gears fails |
| 03:57.50 | tccccc | somebody can help me to install debian in my laptop??? i can not start the installation from boot, it stopped in the window of choosing the language, why??? please |
| 03:57.51 | Wyzard|TP | !tell lewwy about enter |
| 03:57.59 | lewwy | ack, i had that one coming |
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| 03:58.37 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: I've never seen the "3/4 screen of white" problem... all I can guess is that maybe you have some leftover crud from the non-packaged installation that you did |
| 03:58.43 | Explodinglemur | tccccc, try http://www.linux-laptop.net/ to see if there are any success stories with your laptop, I've found some good info there |
| 03:58.46 | lewwy | i would say thats it |
| 03:58.54 | lewwy | can i completely scrap out my nvidia drivers and start over? |
| 03:59.02 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: Did you use nVidia's uninstaller script before you installed the packages? |
| 03:59.22 | lewwy | thats a no |
| 03:59.24 | lewwy | stupid me |
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| 03:59.45 | tccccc | # Compaq Presario 2100 [Debian] (in Italian) |
| 03:59.45 | tccccc | # Compaq Presario 2100 [] |
| 03:59.45 | tccccc | # Compaq Presario 2100 [FedoraCore1,Knoppix3.3,Debian] |
| 03:59.45 | tccccc | # Compaq Presario 2100 [RedHat9.0] (in French) |
| 03:59.45 | tccccc | # Compaq Presario 2100 [Mandrake9.2] |
| 03:59.46 | tccccc | # Compaq Presario 2100 |
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| 03:59.53 | Wyzard|TP | I would suggest you fully remove the packages, then install using nVidia's driver script, then immediately *uninstall* using nVidia's script, then install the packages again |
| 04:00.00 | tccccc | i am sorry |
| 04:00.06 | stew | sounds like fun |
| 04:00.10 | Wyzard|TP | No guarantee that that'll clean everything out, but it seems like the most likely way to do it |
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| 04:00.47 | Sr-tiburon | i need a dist with nforce and nvidia drivers (i have a msi k8ngm2 with an amd 64) and i probe with debian and fedora core 5 and no results |
| 04:00.53 | tccccc | Compaq Presario 2100 [Debian] (in Italian) |
| 04:01.03 | stew | Sr-tiburon: have you run update-pciids? |
| 04:01.03 | tccccc | but i dont understand italian |
| 04:01.06 | Wyzard|TP | Sr-tiburon: Debian has the nVidia driver available, but doesn't install it by default |
| 04:01.23 | lewwy | whats the command for the nvidia uninstaller? |
| 04:01.27 | stew | tccccc: what are you talking about? do you have a debian related question? |
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| 04:01.39 | Wyzard|TP | lewwy: no idea... read its readme |
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| 04:01.42 | Sr-tiburon | yeah, bat the nforce doesn t have it |
| 04:01.52 | Explodinglemur | tcccc: There's one listed that shows FedoraCore1, Knoppix3.3, Debian. Check that one. |
| 04:02.04 | Wyzard|TP | Sr-tiburon: The nForce doesn't have what? |
| 04:02.25 | Explodinglemur | stew: he's trying to install Debian on his laptop but it hangs at language selection, I just pointed him at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
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| 04:02.28 | Wyzard|TP | Sr-tiburon: nVidia's driver does support the onboard graphics in their nForce chips, if that's what you mean |
| 04:02.31 | stew | tccccc: oh, i see your question now. did you try the 2.6 kernel or just the 2.4 kernel? |
| 04:02.32 | ldc_ | hi |
| 04:02.35 | tccccc | yes, i am trying to install debian, but i can not, it always stopped at the windows of choosing the language, i can not press key of keyboard to choose the language |
| 04:02.50 | Sr-tiburon | yeah thats what i mean |
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| 04:03.45 | VulpesFoxnik | How do you get your modprobe changes to stay from boot to boot? |
| 04:03.52 | Wyzard|TP | VulpesFoxnik: /etc/modules |
| 04:03.56 | tccccc | i downloaded the mini installation disk, i dont know which version of kernel is. |
| 04:04.11 | Wyzard|TP | tccccc: It uses 2.4 unless you say "linux26" at the boot prompt |
| 04:04.41 | yos87 | I install the kernel 2.6, When booting I had another choice for 2.6, I have error when booting: pivor_root : no such file or directory /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file, Kernel panic: attempted to kill init! |
| 04:04.42 | yos87 | , somebody know about it |
| 04:04.46 | Sr-tiburon | stew update-pciids with debian?? |
| 04:04.47 | AjiDahaka | so, this new nvidia driver appears to be in unstable, so I've updated, but dpkg whines that nvidia-kernel of the new version doesn't yet exist...sounds important. Is there a way to acquire this nvidia-kernel? |
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| 04:05.22 | Wyzard|TP | AjiDahaka: Use module-assistant to build it |
| 04:05.41 | AjiDahaka | module-assistant, got it. thanks |
| 04:05.47 | Wyzard|TP | AjiDahaka: Should be the same procedure that you used to install the version you already have |
| 04:05.59 | AjiDahaka | version that I already have? |
| 04:06.32 | Wyzard|TP | AjiDahaka: You said "new" nVidia driver... seems to imply that you're already running an older version of it, and want to upgrade |
| 04:06.36 | VulpesFoxnik | Wyzard|TP: How do I convert my settings into /etc/modules file? |
| 04:06.49 | Wyzard|TP | VulpesFoxnik: Just put module names in it, one module per line |
| 04:06.51 | tccccc | Wyzard|TP: i have to press f3 then type linux26??? |
| 04:07.10 | AjiDahaka | almost, it's the new nvidia driver as in it came out yesterday or the day before, but my machine won't run X without the new driver so I'm installing debian for the first time on it today |
| 04:07.10 | Wyzard|TP | tccccc: You don't have to press F3 -- just type "linux26" at the prompt |
| 04:07.17 | Wyzard|TP | AjiDahaka: ah, ok |
| 04:07.19 | d1rt | anyone help install module for parallel port zip drive (100MB) in woody???? |
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| 04:07.45 | Wyzard|TP | AjiDahaka: Unless your video card is a very new model, you can probably use the "nv" driver to get X working (minus 3D acceleration) for now |
| 04:07.54 | AjiDahaka | I fear it's a very new model |
| 04:07.57 | Wyzard|TP | AjiDahaka: but when you want to install nVidia's driver, use module-assistant |
| 04:07.58 | AjiDahaka | (the 7600) |
| 04:08.05 | AjiDahaka | so it cores on attempt to start with nv |
| 04:08.06 | tccccc | Wyzard|TP,got it |
| 04:08.07 | Explodinglemur | AjiDahaka: Try this: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 04:08.24 | tccccc | Wyzard|TP, thanks. but why i have to type linux26?? |
| 04:08.25 | AjiDahaka | thanks so much, guys |
| 04:08.35 | Wyzard|TP | tccccc: Because the default is to use 2.4 |
| 04:09.02 | tccccc | Wyzard,and 2.4 doesnt work?? |
| 04:09.09 | Wyzard|TP | tccccc: If your keyboard isn't working, that might or might not be a kernel problem, but it's worth trying a newer kernel to see if it works there |
| 04:09.23 | tccccc | oh, ic |
| 04:09.49 | stew | hrm, anyone have any ideas as to why putting "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap-`uname -n`" into my .xsession doesn't seem to work? |
| 04:09.57 | stew | it works when i run it by hand |
| 04:10.44 | gravity | stew: Is xsession being honored in general? There's bugs open for 7.0 that it's being ignored |
| 04:11.13 | Pegger | humm when is nagios going to get updated to v 2 |
| 04:11.18 | yos87 | stew: Hi |
| 04:11.34 | yos87 | stew: yesterday you told me, install kernal 2.6 and boot |
| 04:11.46 | d1rt | stew: hi stew - i think you helped me once with a kernel upgrade? |
| 04:12.10 | yos87 | stew: I did, but the 2.6 boot option, I stop in booting with error |
| 04:12.35 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.16 | yos87 | stew: and why he add another boot choice? |
| 04:14.03 | stew | gravity: oh, hmm it isn't. i'm still on 6.9. i'm not going near 7.0 until this weekend when its more ok if my workstation is less useful |
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| 04:14.24 | gravity | hrm... not being honored on 6.9? |
| 04:14.26 | gravity | That's odd |
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| 04:14.39 | orangey | hey all! |
| 04:14.44 | keropok | hey |
| 04:14.51 | orangey | I'm trying to harden my system a bit against dos attacks.. |
| 04:14.57 | stew | gravity: putting "touch /tmp/xsessionisworking" before starting ion didn't seem to do anything |
| 04:15.03 | orangey | what would make some good reading? |
| 04:15.08 | stew | yos87: i don't know what causes that error, though it seems to be common |
| 04:15.13 | d1rt | orangey: are you familiar with zip drives? |
| 04:15.23 | Wyzard|TP | stew: probably an initrd problem |
| 04:15.29 | yos87 | stew: Thank you |
| 04:15.46 | stew | yos87: you are trying to run 2.6.8-3? |
| 04:15.55 | orangey | one of the steps I've taken is to put in a firewall - firehol in my case. |
| 04:16.02 | yos87 | stew: yes |
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| 04:16.10 | orangey | however, it seems all these firewalls are very verbose in syslog.. Anyway to scale them back? |
| 04:16.19 | yos87 | stew: he add another choice when booting |
| 04:16.35 | Wyzard|TP | orangey: If you're talking a DoS attack in the sense of someone flooding you with traffic, a firewall on your computer won't help with that |
| 04:16.36 | yos87 | stew: now I can boot through the old one, and the 2.6 |
| 04:16.48 | stew | yos87: you can? or can't? |
| 04:17.00 | Wyzard|TP | orangey: You'll be ignoring the packets, but you'll still be receiving them and your internet connection will still be flooded |
| 04:17.13 | yos87 | stew: I have error when I boot through the choice 2.6, |
| 04:17.21 | yos87 | stew: the other one is working the same |
| 04:17.32 | orangey | Wyzard: Well, the problem is that the DoS in this case seems to be going through my apache server (which is working to give the error). It seems to provide some protection to firewall |
| 04:18.01 | Wyzard|TP | orangey: "Through" your apache server? |
| 04:18.08 | Wyzard|TP | orangey: What sort of attack are you talking about? |
| 04:18.36 | VulpesFoxnik | Strange... Shouldn't update-modules Command copy my config for me into my kernel options? |
| 04:18.59 | stew | gravity: nm, its gdm |
| 04:19.07 | stew | gravity: don't ask me why i'm using gdm, becuase i don't now |
| 04:19.10 | gravity | Ah, ok. I'm off the hook then |
| 04:19.11 | gravity | Heh, I use it |
| 04:19.22 | stew | gravity: does it honor your .xsession? |
| 04:19.38 | orangey | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/657021 |
| 04:19.45 | Wyzard|TP | VulpesFoxnik: No, that's not what update-modules is for (and update-modules is obsolete anyway) |
| 04:19.50 | gravity | stew: Yeah it does |
| 04:20.04 | VulpesFoxnik | Well that explains some things |
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| 04:20.50 | Wyzard|TP | orangey: That looks like a bug in someone's software, not a deliberate attack |
| 04:21.17 | yos87 | stew: i want to ask you, If i install the again, the other file and desktop will go? |
| 04:21.19 | stew | gravity: ahh, ok, i had chosen "ion3" in the session menu instead of "default system session" |
| 04:21.21 | yos87 | an program |
| 04:21.24 | VulpesFoxnik | Wyzard|TP: The kernel is detecting the device, It's just not detecting it as the right card /tuner, which should be in the options /etc/modprobe.d/saa7134 for module saa7134? |
| 04:21.25 | orangey | Wyzard|TP: regardless of the intent, the result is the same |
| 04:21.35 | stew | yos87: i don't understand your question |
| 04:21.50 | gravity | stew: Ah, ok. All is well then. |
| 04:21.55 | Explodinglemur | hm...so, anybody want to help me trick apt-get build-dep into doing my bidding? ;) |
| 04:22.07 | yos87 | stew: If I reinstall debian again over the old one, the programs and file in the old one will go? |
| 04:22.12 | Gokul | what's a good GUI based app on Debian to connect to Oracle apart from Tora, I just can't get Tora to work |
| 04:22.32 | yos87 | stew: like windows? |
| 04:22.39 | stew | yos87: yes, everything will be gone |
| 04:22.45 | Wyzard|TP | orangey: And you're going to block all traffic from this host? |
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| 04:23.39 | Wyzard|TP | orangey: That request isn't harmful in itself anyway... unless you're getting huge numbers of them, I'd just ignore it |
| 04:23.43 | stew | hmm ion3 is not happy when i don't have a Home key |
| 04:24.09 | orangey | Wyzard|TP: for starters.. It seems like it's what's dragging things down (drupal seems to choke on it). So I'd like to block it then see if it improves traffic |
| 04:24.12 | yos87 | stew: do you know , it's the 3rd time I install debian in this bad laptop, cause it's working in normal destop! |
| 04:24.22 | Gokul | any suggestions of how to get Tora to work on Debian or any replacements for it? |
| 04:24.40 | yos87 | stew: thank you for help |
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| 04:25.06 | mzuverink | can someone point me to a web page that has a complete listing of mirrors where I can get things like lame and other non-free stuff |
| 04:25.34 | stew | gravity: do you have the bug # handy for the xsession problem you mentioned? |
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| 04:25.44 | gravity | stew: Not offhand. Too many came in today... |
| 04:25.53 | stew | gravity: against xserver-xorg you think? |
| 04:25.55 | Wyzard|TP | !tell mzuverink about marillat |
| 04:26.03 | gravity | stew: Could be. Or x11-common... not sure |
| 04:26.07 | stew | gravity: i figure i should make sure the reporter wasn't making the same mistake i was |
| 04:26.23 | gravity | stew: No, this was separate. He found a real issue that I patched but haven't uploaded yet |
| 04:26.36 | gravity | I'm going to try and roll in a few more fixes for today's bugs in the upload |
| 04:26.57 | gravity | Actually, it was in xbase-clients against startx |
| 04:27.14 | gravity | But there's a fairly large issue at work too. Neither of which affect 6.9 at all. |
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| 04:27.39 | stew | gravity: ok |
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| 04:32.27 | VulpesFoxnik | Yatta! Modconf did the trick |
| 04:32.44 | VulpesFoxnik | Thank you for your time Wyzard|TP |
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| 04:33.45 | gravity | Heh, yatta |
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| 04:36.39 | mhall | Any recommendations about emule clients for Debian? |
| 04:36.53 | unstable | mhall: gtk-gnutella? |
| 04:36.55 | nse | mhall: amule: www.amule.org |
| 04:37.06 | mhall | gravity: hey i saw your blog post about X 7; do you figure perhaps 3 weeks for it to settle in? |
| 04:37.29 | gravity | mhall: I don't know honestly. I'm cleaning it out as best I can |
| 04:37.38 | unstable | X 7 is rock solid, works great here. |
| 04:37.45 | AlienX | unstable, same here |
| 04:37.47 | gravity | I wouldn't go that far |
| 04:37.54 | mhall | gravity: most of the stuff that's broken doesn't seem to be your stuff at least for me |
| 04:37.56 | gravity | It's still got some problems, but I'm working on it |
| 04:38.18 | mhall | gravity: i haven't dist-upgraded into it and taken the plunge =) |
| 04:38.28 | AlienX | I haven't had any issues with Xorg 7 besides the fact that there isn't an nvidia driver that supports it yet. |
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| 04:40.18 | Wyzard|TP | AlienX: That'd probably be a bug in the Debian packaging of the driver, not the driver itself |
| 04:40.38 | AlienX | Wyzard, maybe. I'm sure it'll get fixed soon enough |
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| 04:40.48 | Wyzard|TP | yeah |
| 04:40.49 | AlienX | err Wyzard|TP rather |
| 04:41.08 | Wyzard|TP | AlienX: Same person, different computer :-) |
| 04:41.14 | Lappdance|idle | . |
| 04:41.17 | AlienX | Wyzard|TP, i figured :) |
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| 04:42.05 | Wyzard|TP | VMware Tools also doesn't support xorg7 -- it fails to install its video driver -- though that doesn't really matter much since xorg has its own copy of the VMware video driver |
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| 04:43.18 | leaveone | ok so that didnt work |
| 04:43.35 | leaveone | oops wrong channel |
| 04:43.43 | Wyzard|TP | hmm, I just realized, yesterday was Microsoft's "patch Tuesday" |
| 04:43.49 | baroni | Hi all. I have a .ogg file and a .avi file. I would like to join them, generating a single file (a movie, with sound). Does anybody knows how to do that? |
| 04:43.59 | Wyzard|TP | Patch Tuesday is usually the only day of the month I boot my Windows virtual machine :-P |
| 04:44.04 | lokkju | "rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz." on Sarge 2.6.16-1-686, nonstop, any ideas? |
| 04:44.32 | mhall | lokkju: using mplayer or another media player at the time? |
| 04:44.55 | Wyzard|TP | baroni: Vorbis audio doesn't work well in AVI bitstreams due to a limitation of AVI... but you could take the video stream out of the AVI and put it together with the Vorbis audio into an Ogg stream with both video and audio |
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| 04:45.00 | lokkju | mhall, ztdummy drivers, actually |
| 04:45.00 | NxNxMox | hey guys |
| 04:45.30 | Wyzard|TP | baroni: mencoder or transcode could probably do that, but be careful -- you don't want to recompress the audio and video, just take the existing compressed streams and multiplex them together into a new file |
| 04:45.32 | nse | i have etch and sid urls in my sources.list - how to figure out the avaliable versions of the same package in the different debian versions? |
| 04:45.33 | NxNxMox | i need some help with postfix |
| 04:45.41 | NxNxMox | the postfix channel isnt helpful at all |
| 04:45.45 | NxNxMox | and someone told me to try here |
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| 04:45.51 | Wyzard|TP | baroni: Ogg files containing both video and audio are commonly called ".ogm" (Ogg Media), so you might want to look into that |
| 04:45.51 | lokkju | mhall, I did have someone tell me to look into disabling the HPET stuff in the kernel, but I have no idea how that would affect it |
| 04:46.07 | baroni | Wyzard: uhm, nice. Thanks for your help :) |
| 04:46.16 | NxNxMox | so |
| 04:46.22 | NxNxMox | can anyone help? |
| 04:46.30 | baroni | Wyzard|TP: I'll :) |
| 04:46.59 | Wyzard|TP | nse: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 04:47.21 | baroni | thanks Wyzard|TP |
| 04:47.23 | unstable | baroni: You need to change the audio to ac3 or mp3, because ogg is not compatible with the avi container. |
| 04:47.47 | leaveone | can anyone in here help me to setup gdm to run startfluxbox? |
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| 04:47.53 | unstable | baroni: I'm going to assume the video codec for your avi container is probably xvid, so if you want to keep the ogg audio, without converting to mp3 or ac3, you need to change containers, to ogm or mkv |
| 04:48.02 | unstable | leaveone: apt-get install gdm fluxbox |
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| 04:48.28 | Wyzard|TP | unstable: or don't use an AVI container... nothing wrong with ogm |
| 04:48.34 | Wyzard|TP | unstable: oops, beat me to it |
| 04:48.35 | unstable | Wyzard|TP: I just said that. |
| 04:48.38 | Wyzard|TP | sorry :-) |
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| 04:48.39 | baroni | unstable: thank you! |
| 04:49.18 | leaveone | yeah im using fluxbox now.. but i want it to run /usr/bin/startfluxbox instead of /usr/bin/fluxbox.. that way it will run my startup file as well |
| 04:49.33 | leaveone | it = gdm |
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| 04:51.56 | unstable | leaveone: Just add the lines to ~/.fluxbox/startup |
| 04:52.00 | unstable | leaveone: /join #fluxbox also |
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| 04:52.26 | leaveone | i am in #fluxbox.. no one is talking to me |
| 04:52.44 | leaveone | and i have cretaed the ~/.fluxbox/startup file |
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| 04:53.18 | leaveone | the problem is that gdm wont run /usr/bin/startfluxbox so my startup file never gets executed |
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| 04:53.38 | nse | Wyzard|TP: apt-cache policy do not show me the differente versions from etch and sid |
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| 04:54.05 | fooz | lies |
| 04:54.09 | Wyzard|TP | nse: It shows you all versions that are currently available from the sources in your sources.list |
| 04:54.24 | ferris_ | aren't etch and sid the same? |
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| 04:54.48 | Wyzard|TP | Indeed, good point |
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| 04:55.26 | nse | Wyzard|TP: it tells me about the installed and the candidate version, which are always the same, since my system is upgraded |
| 04:55.32 | unstable | ferris_: no etch and sid are not the same. |
| 04:55.49 | fooz | wonder if debian would include an DFSG-free computer virus in main |
| 04:56.59 | Wyzard|TP | nse: What would you expect it to do differently? |
| 04:57.51 | nse | Wyzard|TP: i'm not expecting nothing since i don't know how it works |
| 04:58.26 | prudhvi | where do i get a kernel optimised to work with Xen like dom0 and domU etc ? |
| 04:58.31 | Wyzard|TP | nse: The installed version is the version that's currently installed, and the candidate is the version that would be installed if you were to upgrade. If you've already upgraded, they're the same. |
| 04:58.50 | Wyzard|TP | nse: Below that, it gives you a list of all versions that are available, and what sources they're available from |
| 04:59.04 | prudhvi | !Xen |
| 04:59.04 | dpkg | i heard xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. |
| 05:00.32 | ferris_ | i am installing debian, and I am which mirror is the best one to add for the USA? |
| 05:00.33 | leaveone | unstable, any other ideas? |
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| 05:01.23 | unstable | leaveone: You're probably not setting up your startup file properly in fluxbox. |
| 05:01.48 | Wyzard|TP | ferris_: There's no single best mirror for everyone... it depends on where you are on the network |
| 05:01.54 | liable | ferris_: ftp.us.debian.org if you cant find a closer local one. |
| 05:02.28 | cjaymes | are there any chats that don't suck besides irc? |
| 05:02.37 | leaveone | unstable, will you take a look at it for me if i give you a link? |
| 05:02.39 | nse | Wyzard|TP: sorry, i can't see this information anywhere in the ouput. apart the installed and candidate versions all that i can see is the preferences number for each source |
| 05:02.43 | gravity | cjaymes: Real life tends to be nice |
| 05:02.52 | cjaymes | gravity, but not at 1am |
| 05:02.59 | gravity | heh |
| 05:03.08 | action09 | ferris_ try the one proposed at installation you'll be presented a list of mirrors to usa a.f.a.i.r, anyway letter you'd change with reconfiguring apt with 'apt-setup'. Later you'd can install apt-spy to chooe the speedest/best mirror e.g. and definitively look at the debian.wiki in topic for more infos. |
| 05:03.23 | action09 | s/letter/later |
| 05:03.25 | action09 | :) |
| 05:04.06 | Wyzard|TP | nse: http://pastebin.com/657062 |
| 05:05.03 | ferris_ | this is about the 4th time that I am installing this... hopefully the desktop environment packages will be installed |
| 05:05.12 | unstable | leaveone: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/TeFRHf15.html |
| 05:05.18 | unstable | That is my startup file. |
| 05:05.27 | leaveone | ok lemme check it out |
| 05:05.30 | unstable | leaveone: You have to chmod +x the file.sh for it to work. |
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| 05:05.44 | leaveone | yeah i did that too heh |
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| 05:06.13 | nse | Wyzard|TP: http://pastebin.com/657065 |
| 05:06.22 | cjaymes | what the? |
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| 05:06.56 | Shadda | thankyou, maber, I'll add this to my list of sites never to visit. |
| 05:07.05 | action09 | -maber/#debian- Notice: http://www.wikitruth.info is it 'official' from channel ? |
| 05:07.14 | liable | no |
| 05:07.15 | Shadda | It's a spammer |
| 05:07.17 | action09 | ok |
| 05:07.20 | action09 | damn |
| 05:07.20 | action09 | :/ |
| 05:07.23 | unstable | !ops maber is spamming |
| 05:07.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: maber is spamming |
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| 05:07.37 | action09 | :) |
| 05:07.52 | cjaymes | that was heavy |
| 05:09.11 | Wyzard|TP | nse: hmm, dunno about that |
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| 05:09.50 | Wyzard|TP | FWIW, my apt is version 0.6.43.3 (the current version in etch and sid) |
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| 05:11.32 | nse | mine is the same version |
| 05:13.00 | ferris_ | well it doesn't look like i will wait around for the install to finish, since I have 5 hours to wait |
| 05:13.01 | Wyzard|TP | nse: Do you have anything weird in /etc/apt/apt.conf or/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* ? |
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| 05:13.53 | lokkju | "rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz." could this be because of "# CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set" in the config? |
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| 05:16.00 | myboxen | evening all |
| 05:16.09 | nse | Wyzard|TP: i don't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file. there just one file '70debconf' inside the directory /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 05:16.37 | Wyzard|TP | nse: Not having an apt.conf is normal... but it sounds like the rest of your configuration is normal too |
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| 05:23.26 | jian1 | how to temporarily download eclipse from unstable via apt-get? |
| 05:24.14 | valdyn | !quick sid/sarge mix |
| 05:24.15 | dpkg | somebody said quick sid/sarge mix was echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than sarge |
| 05:25.05 | valdyn | jian1: try this for etch instead of sarge, for sarge i wouldnt do it at this state of debian |
| 05:25.54 | jian1 | /etc/apt/apt.conf does not exist |
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| 05:26.31 | jian1 | btw, I have found all the eclipse files at packages.debian.org under unstable |
| 05:26.35 | nse | but it will be created after the command |
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| 05:26.51 | baroni | Does anybody knows if is possible to mix some pictures (some .jpg for example) and an audio file together -- generating something like a movie? |
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| 05:27.29 | unstable | baroni: sure |
| 05:27.41 | baroni | unstable: do you know how? |
| 05:27.49 | Dwonis | jian1: /etc/apt/apt.conf normally doesn't exist unless you create it |
| 05:27.57 | unstable | baroni: Just play a song in the background, and use gthumb to view a slideshow, and start xvidcap. |
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| 05:28.14 | baroni | unstable: uhm, nice! thanks ;) |
| 05:28.16 | falkon | Okay, I have a problem that stems from mplayer. Sometimes mplayer will run from firefox and will mess up in a way that causes it to slowly eat all my memory. Sometimes I don't catch it until my computer starts swapping like mad, and by then it's too late, because the system basically freezes. Does anyone know a fix for this OR is there ANY way I can get control back of my system to kill mplayer? |
| 05:28.20 | gravity | ouch |
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| 05:28.45 | gravity | baroni: There's several movie editors in Debian. Perhaps one of them will work for you? |
| 05:28.56 | gravity | baroni: I haven't used any of them myself to say for certain |
| 05:29.10 | unstable | gravity: You don't like my idea? |
| 05:29.19 | unstable | I thought it was creative. |
| 05:29.21 | gravity | hehe |
| 05:29.23 | unstable | yet simple |
| 05:29.28 | gravity | I give you points for using gthumb |
| 05:29.48 | jian1 | so I have to duplicate lines in source.list that one is testing, one is unstable? |
| 05:29.54 | baroni | gravity: thanks :), i'll check out that |
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| 05:30.07 | myboxen | baroni: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/10/msg00793.html |
| 05:30.28 | baroni | wow, nice myboxen :), thanks |
| 05:30.44 | myboxen | baroni: you may find it usefull to google "debian make mpeg" or "debian make movie" etc.... |
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| 05:30.50 | unstable | gravity: Did you read about this new magical player that is coming to gnome soon? |
| 05:30.53 | unstable | er, magical editor |
| 05:30.54 | myboxen | your welcome |
| 05:31.09 | gravity | unstable: I think so, I don't remember the name thoug |
| 05:31.16 | seij | hi everybody. I've just upgraded ( apt-get dist-upgrade over unstable ) and my X server ( xserver-xorg ) does not start anymore. Failed to load module "v4l" (module does not exist, 0) and the same for nvidia. Even if I try installing the nvidia driver "by hand", using the tar.gz available on nvidia web site, it doesn't load the module anymore. Anyone has an idea ? |
| 05:31.17 | gravity | unstable: We'll see how magical it is in a year or so |
| 05:31.26 | unstable | gravity: yea, I can't remember hte name either |
| 05:31.55 | unstable | !tell seij about bts |
| 05:31.59 | unstable | !tell seij about unstable |
| 05:32.02 | X600 | Video editor? |
| 05:32.13 | unstable | seij: Why are you using unstable? seij Do you know what the word "unstable" means? |
| 05:32.14 | gravity | seij: sid? |
| 05:32.57 | gravity | seij: Please file an important severity bug against xserver-xorg requesting that the module gets packaged and included in Debian |
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| 05:33.06 | gravity | I'll package it up if someone needs it |
| 05:33.42 | Wyzard|TP | unstable: You seem to enjoy questioning people's use of unstable |
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| 05:34.16 | datn | have you guys come across eventum? |
| 05:34.49 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: unstable doesn't like the prospect of being used |
| 05:35.04 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: makes him feel dirty |
| 05:35.05 | seij | unstable: yes I know ;-) using it to help a little reporting bugs ... but this one I can't figure out where it comes from ! |
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| 05:35.58 | gcbirzan | unstable: What makes it magical? :-) |
| 05:36.10 | seij | unstable: by the way, it's the first time in months I get a so much important bug :-) |
| 05:36.14 | datn | 1 |
| 05:36.17 | X600 | Pixies. |
| 05:36.20 | X600 | And purple mushrooms. |
| 05:36.22 | seij | unstable : so it's time to help ;-) |
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| 05:36.52 | datn | whats a good bug tracking cgi soft? |
| 05:37.20 | Dwonis | seij: assuming you're fairly skilled with the command-line, after checking that my configuration is sane, I'd look in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/ to see if the modules are missing |
| 05:37.52 | Dwonis | seij: also, check if there are any packages (e.g. xserver-xorg) that are not fully installed, i.e. make sure the upgrade actually finished |
| 05:38.02 | gravity | seij: I didn't package the driver. Simple as that. |
| 05:38.10 | lokkju | so why would rtctest.c be failing on my sarge 2.6.16-1-686 install? |
| 05:38.12 | gravity | seij: Just file the bug like I told you and I'll make sure it gets done |
| 05:38.34 | seij | gravity : ok ! |
| 05:38.37 | gravity | :-) |
| 05:39.24 | gravity | Shouldn't be too difficult, especially now that the rest is in unstable |
| 05:39.27 | Dwonis | gravity: So _you're_ doing X now? I don't envy you. |
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| 05:39.55 | gravity | heh |
| 05:40.02 | gravity | I've been doing it for some time now |
| 05:40.27 | deadcat | unstable: wtf is with the guy who "maintain" slim. the dude doesnt seem to do shit. )= |
| 05:40.31 | gravity | I like it, it's fun |
| 05:40.33 | Dwonis | gravity: by the way, I did an xfree86 -> xorg transition on another machine a little while ago, and it worked flawlessly. Good work. |
| 05:40.36 | unstable | deadcat: lol, I dunno |
| 05:40.37 | jm_ | since x.org started in Debian, wasn't it? |
| 05:40.45 | unstable | deadcat: That was itp'd like 6 months ago now |
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| 05:40.53 | gravity | Dwonis: Glad to hear it. A lot of that thanks goes to the Ubuntu maintainers (who also work with us) |
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| 05:41.02 | unstable | deadcat: It's such a simple package. |
| 05:41.04 | gravity | jm_: Sortakindanotreallybutsortaalittle |
| 05:41.26 | jm_ | gravity: :) |
| 05:41.29 | deadcat | unstable: ya.. because the one i have its kinna strange. like /etc/init.d/slim restart doesnt really work. i have to kill, rm lock file. then start. )= |
| 05:41.37 | unstable | deadcat: There is no PAM support for slim though, and when you kill X, slim doesn't close X properly. |
| 05:41.47 | gravity | Branden was a driving force in the licensing debate with xfree86. I think he brought it to everyone's attention. That was the trigger for the rebirth of X.org |
| 05:41.49 | deadcat | unstable: ya. |
| 05:41.49 | unstable | deadcat: I think he wants to do it _flawlessly_, damn maintainers. |
| 05:42.00 | deadcat | ah |
| 05:42.36 | X600 | Aye, x.org went on my machines without a problem. Sort of. |
| 05:42.43 | jm_ | ohh wait I do recall seeing him mention X.org on x-strike-force page back then |
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| 05:43.00 | deadcat | root-tail doesnt work with the artwiz fonts after the upgrade. |
| 05:43.02 | gravity | There were definitely some bugs in the xfree86->xorg transition. I need to fix one that's still hanging around |
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| 05:43.08 | gravity | rgb.txt is annoying |
| 05:43.21 | X600 | The only problem I had was my own. |
| 05:43.22 | simonrvn | even if you link in PAM libs properly, slim doesn't handle it. i first noticed when i couldn't log in on slim. i run off LDAP and SASL GSSAPI, i kindasortaneedPAMworking ;) |
| 05:43.40 | unstable | gravity: Do you use a dm, or just startx? |
| 05:43.44 | gravity | unstable: gdm |
| 05:43.53 | unstable | gravity: Have you seen http://slim.berlios.de? |
| 05:43.55 | gravity | I used to use wdm, but I run gnome, so... |
| 05:43.59 | gravity | unstable: Yeah, but never tried it |
| 05:44.03 | gravity | gdm works great for me |
| 05:44.08 | deadcat | simonrvn: ya. maybe you should maintain slim instead of the current dude (= |
| 05:44.09 | unstable | ahh, if you run gnome you might as well stay with gdm. |
| 05:44.39 | Dwonis | gravity: _that's_ what it was... ok, I'll amend my "flawlessly" to "mostly flawlessly" :) |
| 05:44.41 | jian1 | I wonder if java-common will conflict with already installed SUN java |
| 05:44.43 | gravity | hehe |
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| 05:44.51 | gravity | Dwonis: Yeah, I need to fix it, but it's a hard bug |
| 05:44.52 | jian1 | SUN JAVA sdk 1.5.0.1 |
| 05:44.53 | Dwonis | gravity: I totally forgot about rgb.txt |
| 05:44.58 | unstable | deadcat: ahh, root-tail is the best. |
| 05:45.00 | simonrvn | i have no interest in it, and i'd have to patch the dumb thing with real pam support, of which i don't code c out of a paper bag, so i'm pretty useless |
| 05:45.12 | unstable | root-tail beats any gkrellm or superkaramba crap anytime. |
| 05:45.13 | gravity | Dwonis: Moving conffiles from one package to another is generally not done, so doing it is kinda difficult |
| 05:45.17 | deadcat | unstable: ya. but now i am using crap fonts. what font you use for root-tail? |
| 05:45.41 | unstable | deadcat: Whatever the default fonts are. |
| 05:46.12 | deadcat | unstable: damn. i was using fonts from the artwiz package. but after upgrade. those fonts dont exist in xlsfonts |
| 05:46.24 | simonrvn | which is 'fixed' iirc |
| 05:46.33 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:46.42 | deadcat | i was using edges, hella nice. (= |
| 05:46.46 | jm_ | I use neep-iso8859-1-12 in Sarge |
| 05:47.05 | deadcat | jm_: is that a package? |
| 05:47.21 | jm_ | deadcat: no, it's an alias for real font name, jmk fonts |
| 05:47.22 | gravity | Anyhow, it's almost 2am |
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| 05:47.47 | simonrvn | thanks for reminding me to purge that fricking thing. |
| 05:47.56 | deadcat | jm_: thanks |
| 05:48.00 | simonrvn | see you gravity. damn too slow |
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| 05:48.22 | Dwonis | 'night, gravity |
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| 05:48.53 | deadcat | hmm. aterm can use the edges fonts which i have in my .fonts, but not root-tail. stupid root-tail |
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| 05:49.01 | Yale | why does /etc/motd keep resetting =( |
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| 05:49.21 | deadcat | Yale: /etc/motd.tail |
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| 05:49.28 | deadcat | check /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 05:49.37 | Yale | deadcat, should I remove or replace? |
| 05:49.38 | deadcat | i had that problem few days ago. (= |
| 05:49.48 | Yale | ah |
| 05:50.12 | deadcat | Yale: just edit /etc/motd.tail, and run /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh if you changes right away |
| 05:50.19 | simonrvn | i'm going to go sleep, too, after i finish the updates |
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| 05:50.24 | Yale | I just commented out the update in bootmisc. |
| 05:50.27 | Yale | thanks |
| 05:50.31 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:50.34 | Yale | one other thing |
| 05:50.46 | Yale | but that will be in a few minutes =) thanks |
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| 05:51.07 | intx | hey, what's this I hear about apt having some kind of security based on signatures? |
| 05:51.16 | deadcat | jm_: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion (ISO8859-1) |
| 05:51.22 | unstable | !tell intx about gpg |
| 05:51.26 | unstable | !tell intx about apt-secure |
| 05:51.35 | intx | thanks unstable |
| 05:51.49 | intx | apt-secure is what I was looking for I think : |
| 05:51.50 | intx | :) |
| 05:51.53 | jm_ | deadcat: is your locale UTF8? |
| 05:52.02 | deadcat | i just installed the xfonts-jmk, how do i reload without restarting x? |
| 05:52.02 | jm_ | charset, not locale |
| 05:52.08 | deadcat | xset fp rehash didnt work |
| 05:52.25 | lexhider | if I'm running debian-x86 with amd64 cpu, which kernel should I run? can I run linux-image-k7 or is it only for 32-bit amds? |
| 05:52.33 | deadcat | xlsfonts |grep neep doesnt show anything |
| 05:52.39 | strayhikari | Hello, sorry if my question is very noobish, I'm pretty new to linux: Is there a simple way to do a system upgrade using aptget? or an easy way to upgrade to gnome 2.14? |
| 05:52.42 | jm_ | deadcat: are they in font path? |
| 05:52.56 | deadcat | jm_: i just apt-get the xfonts-jmk package. |
| 05:53.01 | Dwonis | lexhider: If you're running amd64, you probably want more than just a different kernel |
| 05:53.07 | jm_ | deadcat: I know, but is that dir in font path? |
| 05:53.26 | jm_ | deadcat: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc - I hear this has changed with 7.0 |
| 05:53.42 | deadcat | jm_: ya. i think 7.0 dont use X11R6 anymore |
| 05:53.56 | unstable | !tell lexhider about amd64 |
| 05:53.56 | lexhider | Dwonis, ??? |
| 05:54.08 | jm_ | deadcat: right, so this package probably needs updating - in the mean time, check if fonts.dir in there is updated and add it to path (xset fp+) |
| 05:54.15 | Dwonis | lexhider: what dpkg just told you |
| 05:54.27 | jian1 | the java-common has conflict with SUN JDK 1.5.0.1 |
| 05:54.31 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:54.53 | jian1 | where javac, java, no longer provoke SUN jdk, but instead, they run the java-common ones |
| 05:55.45 | deadcat | jm_: ya. its there. and so are the artwiz fonts. but they are not being loaded. i did the xset fp+ $PWD && xset fp rehash |
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| 05:56.03 | deadcat | simonrvn: should i symlink them there? |
| 05:56.14 | lexhider | thanks, but I'm still unsure which kernel to run for debian/i386 ? do I stick with 486, or go for k7? |
| 05:56.26 | jm_ | deadcat: and it's still not showing up? |
| 05:56.31 | deadcat | nope |
| 05:57.01 | deadcat | jm_: but grep neep fonts.dir doesnt return anything though. should i edit the file? |
| 05:57.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:57.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:57.38 | jm_ | deadcat: no, grep jmk fonts.dir |
| 05:57.39 | Dwonis | lexhider: k7 will probably work, but (as with any kernel upgrade) always keep around a known-working kernel |
| 05:57.53 | jm_ | deadcat: and grep neep fonts.alias |
| 05:58.00 | deadcat | jm_: nope |
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| 05:58.09 | jm_ | deadcat: ok that's why it doesn't work ;) |
| 05:58.11 | deadcat | its int .alias |
| 05:58.28 | jm_ | try running mkfontdir manually |
| 05:58.33 | intx | hm, apt-secure isn't available for stable? :/ |
| 05:58.42 | deadcat | jm_: ok |
| 05:59.37 | prudhvi | How do i restart SCIM ? |
| 06:00.45 | deadcat | jm_: nope. so confusing right now. |
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| 06:01.55 | intx | i'm tempted to upgrade from stable just for apt-secure :) |
| 06:02.31 | jimmybgood | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.50 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 06:02.50 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 06:03.26 | jm_ | deadcat: mkfontdir should result in those fonts showing up in fonts.dir |
| 06:03.27 | simonrvn | no, add the right font path to xorg.conf instead. it's going to get moved anyway (and has) so might as well update xorg.conf but keep the old ones, since some font packages haven't been updated yet |
| 06:03.28 | simonrvn | it'll be something like /usr/share/fonts/xorg or X11/ or whatever it is |
| 06:03.28 | strayhikari | Does anyone know if there is a way to upgrade to Gnome 2.14 without building it from source? |
| 06:03.41 | tarzeau | strayhikari: no |
| 06:03.42 | simonrvn | intx: no |
| 06:03.46 | unstable | strayhikari: wait? |
| 06:03.53 | unstable | strayhikari: dist-upgrade to unstable? |
| 06:04.04 | simonrvn | wait for it in etch |
| 06:04.23 | Yan^ | Hello people, I have a problem with sarge: when installing it does not want to recognize my video card. I would like to switch to a newer (maybe unstable) distrib. I heard about SID. but where can i get the SID distribution? |
| 06:04.25 | deadcat | jm_: i am reinstalling artwiz |
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| 06:04.31 | unstable | intx: Is your debian box a desktop or a production server? |
| 06:04.40 | Eclipser | Yan^, what video card |
| 06:04.45 | unstable | Yan^: What type of video card do you have? |
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| 06:04.53 | strayhikari | already running unstable :( was hoping there was a package for it :( |
| 06:04.53 | Yan^ | eclipser: radeon ATI 9200 |
| 06:05.08 | unstable | Yan^: Are you at a terminal now? |
| 06:05.09 | Yan^ | unstable: radeon ATI 9200 |
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| 06:05.23 | unstable | Yan^: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:05.23 | Dwonis | Yan^: You shouldn't need unstable for that |
| 06:05.33 | jm_ | deadcat: naah that won't help I believe |
| 06:05.35 | unstable | Yan^: Type that as root, then choose "vesa" as the driver when prompted. |
| 06:05.41 | Yan^ | unstable: i did all this, thanks |
| 06:05.48 | Yan^ | unstable: and vesa also |
| 06:06.02 | unstable | Yan^: X doesn't start? |
| 06:06.12 | Eclipser | Yan^, tried "ati"? |
| 06:06.17 | Yan^ | the reason why i thing\k that SID would go, is that I have installed ubuntu and Xorg recognozes the card without probs |
| 06:06.23 | Yan^ | eclipser: sure |
| 06:06.24 | leaveone | unstable, so here's how i fixed it.. i found the fluxbox.desktop file and edited it to start startfluxbox instead of fluxbox |
| 06:06.34 | Yan^ | unstable: yes it does not |
| 06:06.38 | Dwonis | Yan^: I had a radeon 9200 before, and I didn't need unstable |
| 06:06.40 | Eclipser | Yan^, ubuntu is a lot more preconfigured :) |
| 06:06.44 | deadcat | jm_: apparently theres /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc AND /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc, should i copy them to /usr/share/fonts? |
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| 06:07.03 | unstable | Yan^: yes, I also have a 9200, and it works fine with stable/vesa |
| 06:07.12 | Eclipser | Yan^, check your /var/log/Xsomething.log |
| 06:07.17 | jm_ | deadcat: well I would keep it here, make sure the dir has right entries and add it to font path |
| 06:07.26 | Yan^ | unstable: really? what card do u have |
| 06:07.36 | deadcat | jm_: in xorg.conf right? |
| 06:07.41 | Dwonis | unstable: Mine worked with the ati drivers, and it was 3d accelerated (the 9200 is the last one that didn't need ATI's proprietary drivers, IIRC) |
| 06:07.42 | entuall | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.46 | Eclipser | my ati radeon 9600xt ultimate worked fine with sarge until I updated the fglrx drivers |
| 06:07.47 | unstable | Yan^: I'm on my laptop now, but my desktop is a 9200 |
| 06:07.49 | Eclipser | then I bought nvidia :p |
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| 06:07.59 | anotheruser | Hi - I am trying to install Debian Sarge on a Toshiba Satellite2140 - and I think I could use some help - anyone experienced their install getting stuck at the 'starting PC Card services' stage? |
| 06:08.00 | unstable | Dwonis: 9150 |
| 06:08.13 | Yan^ | unstable: do you mean exactly ATI Radeon 9200?? |
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| 06:08.31 | liable | !laptop |
| 06:08.31 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 06:08.37 | Eclipser | Yan^, READ /var/log/Xfree86.0.log or something like that |
| 06:08.42 | liable | anotheruser: ^^ have a read of others experirnce |
| 06:08.54 | Yan^ | eclipser: i did it , the answewr: no screens found |
| 06:09.04 | Eclipser | Yan^, there's errors before that |
| 06:09.07 | Dwonis | There should really be a "toshiba laptop" arch |
| 06:09.07 | liable | anotheruser: you prolly just need to not load pcmcia stuff or something |
| 06:09.19 | jm_ | deadcat: either there or with xset command |
| 06:09.26 | deadcat | there we go |
| 06:09.29 | liable | anotheruser: are you booting the 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:09.31 | unstable | Yan^: yes |
| 06:09.33 | Yan^ | eclipser: yeah, it said it did not find a device and the bus was not OK |
| 06:09.33 | unstable | rv280 |
| 06:09.38 | deadcat | jm_: i use xset to do the job |
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| 06:09.47 | Eclipser | Yan^, wrong bus then? :p |
| 06:09.52 | Yan^ | unstable: oh, this is exactly my case!! |
| 06:10.10 | anotheruser | liable: Yes, this is a 2.6 kernel. |
| 06:10.11 | simonrvn | i'm busy enough as it is, i don't want to add to the workload =) (by having someone move to sid ...) |
| 06:10.12 | simonrvn | if you have to ask, don't. use etch, if you aren't used to managing the package management |
| 06:10.12 | intx | unstable: neither.. I'm using it as a firewall |
| 06:10.25 | Yan^ | unstable: so maybe you can help me? |
| 06:10.29 | liable | Yan^: did you supply the pci bus?? |
| 06:10.31 | unstable | intx: For a home network, or corporate? |
| 06:10.37 | intx | unstable: home network |
| 06:10.48 | anotheruser | liable: Just tried your suggestion for not loading pcmcia services - seems to work |
| 06:10.48 | liable | Yan^: if you did, leave it blank when you reconfigure |
| 06:10.50 | unstable | intx: eh, I would just dist-upgrade to testing(etch) |
| 06:11.02 | liable | anotheruser: cool |
| 06:11.03 | Yan^ | unstable: i got stuck with ubuntu also at a very disappointing thing: it did not want to add CDROM to repository |
| 06:11.09 | Yan^ | liable: i tried both |
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| 06:11.18 | unstable | Yan^: Most likely your XFree86-Config file is messed. |
| 06:11.30 | unstable | Yan^: Check /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
| 06:11.31 | intx | unstable: yeah, I'm thinking of doing that for apt-secure :) |
| 06:11.40 | Yan^ | unstable: well i also tried to edit it manually |
| 06:11.44 | anotheruser | everyone else - thanks for the help. I'll probably drop by again if I get stuck again *duh* And yeah, I'm going to check out the labtop page again... ciao... |
| 06:11.46 | unstable | Yan^: Or just dump that file on www.pastebin.com so we can look at it. |
| 06:11.48 | Eclipser | what busid did you try? |
| 06:11.54 | Eclipser | eww, pastebin.com |
| 06:11.55 | acidspoon | how can i config swat under ubuntu? |
| 06:12.03 | Eclipser | Yan^, rafb.net/paste ! :p |
| 06:12.07 | unstable | !tell acidspoon about ubuntu |
| 06:12.10 | unix_infidel | anyone know if its possible to setup keybinds to where using mousewheel-scroll up enters copy mode and moves up and then down, arrow down? |
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| 06:12.15 | unstable | acidspoon: type /join #ubuntu in your client |
| 06:12.23 | unix_infidel | in screen |
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| 06:12.23 | unix_infidel | :P |
| 06:12.34 | unstable | unix_infidel: /join #screen? |
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| 06:12.40 | _rene_ | intx: if it's just that, there's also a apt backport... |
| 06:12.42 | Yan^ | unstable: can you send my your XFConfig? korrka@yahoo.com |
| 06:12.54 | unstable | Yan^: I'm using xorg 7 |
| 06:12.58 | unix_infidel | unstable: heh, hello/goodbye. |
| 06:13.00 | simonrvn | great way to get spammed |
| 06:13.02 | unstable | Yan^: I am not near my desktop |
| 06:13.21 | Yan^ | unstable: oh OK, but xorg 7 is not in the standard sarge?? |
| 06:13.26 | intx | _rene_: but aren't most of the packages that have signatures in etch? |
| 06:13.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:13.29 | unstable | Yan^: right |
| 06:13.41 | Yan^ | unstable: oh, OK now i understand it )))))) |
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| 06:13.49 | simonrvn | Yan^: no it isn't |
| 06:13.53 | Yan^ | unstable: that is why I am asking |
| 06:14.00 | _rene_ | intx: packages don't have signatures. any. still. not needed |
| 06:14.12 | brnbock_ | does anyone know how to get my soundblaster audigy se to work with ubuntu? |
| 06:14.19 | simonrvn | it's called stable for a reason, and not to sound nice ;) |
| 06:14.23 | _rene_ | intx: what is signed is the Release files which have md5sums of the Packages files which have md5sums of the debs |
| 06:14.23 | unstable | !tell brnbock_ about ubuntu |
| 06:14.27 | unstable | brnbock_: /join #ubuntu |
| 06:14.35 | Yan^ | unstable: can we return to my original quest: I would like to install SID from scratch coplete. is it possible? |
| 06:14.35 | _rene_ | intx: and those files alre also there at stable |
| 06:14.45 | _rene_ | Yan^: no |
| 06:14.47 | unstable | _rene_: ahh, I didn't know that. |
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| 06:14.52 | simonrvn | Yan^: no |
| 06:14.52 | unstable | thanks for the information _rene_ |
| 06:14.59 | Eclipser | Yan^, that most likely won't fix your problem :p |
| 06:15.14 | deadcat | jm_: i am doing for fontdir in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc $HOME/.xfonts/* |
| 06:15.24 | deadcat | in my .xsession with xset fp+ $fontdir |
| 06:15.28 | liable | Yan^: get the etch installer. etch is almost as up to date as sid but more stable. |
| 06:15.31 | Dwonis | _rene_: technically, it's a *hash* of the Release files that are signed... The ultimate result is that the package files are _authenticated_ |
| 06:15.32 | unstable | Yan^: no, you can't install sid from scratch. |
| 06:15.40 | Yan^ | unstable: and etch? |
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| 06:15.59 | unstable | Yan^: Then only way to get sid, is to install a released version of debian, then dist-upgrade, sid has never been released and never will be. |
| 06:16.07 | unstable | Yan^: You can install etch if you want. |
| 06:16.08 | _rene_ | Dwonis: I didn't say anything else |
| 06:16.10 | unstable | !tell Yan^ about d-i |
| 06:16.19 | _rene_ | Dwonis: signature works with hash of a file, so... |
| 06:16.24 | intx | _rene_: thanks, very nice to know.. where can I get the backport? |
| 06:16.55 | _rene_ | intx: err? backports.org? use google, luke. |
| 06:16.57 | unstable | !tell intx about backports |
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| 06:17.06 | Dwonis | _rene_: don't worry about it; I'm just boosting my ego by showing everyone who smart I am ;) |
| 06:17.15 | Dwonis | gah. s/who/how/ |
| 06:17.18 | unstable | hehe |
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| 06:17.26 | Dwonis | it must be fate |
| 06:17.27 | unstable | !karma |
| 06:17.27 | dpkg | unstable has neutral karma |
| 06:17.38 | Dwonis | !karma |
| 06:17.38 | dpkg | dwonis has neutral karma |
| 06:17.52 | Dwonis | does dpkg ever change that response? |
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| 06:17.57 | unstable | Dwonis: yes |
| 06:18.03 | unstable | Someone else !karma dpkg |
| 06:18.03 | Dwonis | when/how? |
| 06:18.10 | liable | i think it was disabled ?? |
| 06:18.25 | dondelelcaro | in some cases it's working, in others not. It's rather pointless, though. |
| 06:18.36 | unstable | Dwonis: It's a specially designed algorithm that checks your ip, and tries to find out your actual name, and your birth records, and does an astronomical analysis, too analyze your karma. |
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| 06:19.00 | alpha1_ | lol |
| 06:19.13 | alpha1_ | who programmed that.. a hindu? |
| 06:19.22 | unstable | dpkg has magical powers |
| 06:19.24 | Dwonis | unstable: Is it also patent pending? I guess not because IIRC Debian doesn't support software patents. |
| 06:19.31 | unstable | The factoid just appeared one day. |
| 06:19.35 | unstable | No one knows how it got there. |
| 06:19.51 | unstable | Dwonis: It's cc atribution 1.5 |
| 06:19.57 | Yan^ | unstable: tell me however, what did you do? did you install sarge and then added Xorg? |
| 06:20.11 | Dwonis | unstable: cc attribution, but nobody knows how it got there... ok |
| 06:20.20 | unstable | Yan^: I installed etch,(from a disc) then I upgraded to unstable by changing my sources.list. |
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| 06:20.49 | Yan^ | unstable: and etch, what version of XFree is there? |
| 06:20.56 | unstable | Yan^: etch uses xorg. |
| 06:20.58 | unstable | !xorg |
| 06:20.59 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 06:21.11 | unstable | !get xorg |
| 06:21.12 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 06:21.27 | unstable | !xorg sarge |
| 06:21.27 | dpkg | [xorg sarge] now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 06:21.34 | unstable | !tell Yan^ about backports |
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| 06:21.59 | lekvar | Hmm.. I just installed wmii.. killed it because i didn't care for it... and it screwed up the nice default fluxbox confs and forced me to write an .xsession file to get anything but the naked X desktop with nothing but the X-shaped cursor. uh, cool. |
| 06:22.14 | Yan^ | unstable: a! ok, but where could I get etch?? (you see my prob is that I am installing on the computer without the network, so i can not binpaste or whatever) |
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| 06:22.25 | unstable | !tell Yan^ about d-i |
| 06:22.49 | unstable | Yan^: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:22.54 | unstable | Click on your architecture. |
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| 06:23.02 | liable | etch? |
| 06:23.06 | action09 | testing |
| 06:23.10 | Yan^ | unstable: ok, trying |
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| 06:23.31 | liable | http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:23.31 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: You want to install unstable on a computer without a network connection? |
| 06:23.43 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: Are you aware that unstable gets updated every day with new packages? |
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| 06:24.31 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: on the bright side, Yan^ won't have to worry as much about unstable not getting being handled by debian-security ;) |
| 06:24.38 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 06:25.27 | Yan^ | Wyzard: yes, I do |
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| 06:25.35 | Yan^ | wyzard: without NET |
| 06:25.44 | Yan^ | makes prob? |
| 06:25.54 | Dwonis | hmm... it just occurred to me how ironic it is that if I install sarge from the CD, it downloads packages from security.debian.org via plaintext HTT |
| 06:25.56 | Dwonis | HTTP |
| 06:26.09 | Yan^ | unstable: thanks, I found it |
| 06:26.21 | Dwonis | at least etch will finally have apt-secure |
| 06:26.32 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: Well, it makes it quite difficult to get the daily updates... and if you don't track updates, there's not really much point in running unstable |
| 06:27.04 | Yan^ | unstable: if I find a way to copy my messy XFRee86Config, could u give me an email adress to send it to? |
| 06:27.16 | Yan^ | Wyzard: the only thing I want is XOrg |
| 06:27.18 | unstable | Does etch work _out of the box_ with apt-secure...or do you have to install gnupg and add keys? |
| 06:27.21 | unstable | Dwonis: Do you know? |
| 06:27.26 | Wyzard|TP | !tell Yan^ about pastebin |
| 06:27.30 | unstable | Yan^: So you want backports. |
| 06:27.44 | Yan^ | Wyzard: the comp where I am installing is not connected to the net |
| 06:27.49 | unstable | Yan^: Is this a desktop machine, or a production server? |
| 06:27.54 | Yan^ | desktop |
| 06:28.04 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: Install sarge and an xorg backport |
| 06:28.07 | Dwonis | unstable: I dunno; that's a good question |
| 06:28.07 | Yan^ | i just do not want to connect it now: it is the second comp |
| 06:28.10 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: or Ubuntu or something |
| 06:28.23 | unstable | Yan^: So just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file, and change every instance of "sarge" or "stable" to "etch" or "testing" and then type "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 06:28.26 | Yan^ | Wyzard: ubuntu just crashed on my machine |
| 06:29.00 | Neverther | Xorg R7 <3 |
| 06:29.03 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: sarge + xorg backport, then |
| 06:29.11 | liable | Yan^: cant you just connect it long enough to install xorg? |
| 06:29.23 | Wyzard|TP | Neverther: xorg7 is functionally pretty much the same as 6.9 |
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| 06:30.00 | simonrvn | yeh. it's more the backend packaging, and some other related stuff |
| 06:30.22 | Neverther | i know, but stuff works a bit faster atm with that and newest nvidia, arch here |
| 06:30.35 | simonrvn | speaking of, i just had some updates to x. brb |
| 06:30.45 | Yan^ | wyzard: my prob is that i can not install xserver with sarge ;)) |
| 06:31.11 | Yan^ | liable: well i can connect,but this seems strang.e I would prefer just a distro which works without net |
| 06:31.23 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: You're unable to install X at all, on a sarge system? |
| 06:31.41 | Dwonis | Yan^: Just something to keep in the back of your mind: It might be your motherboard. Right now, my machine doesn't support 3D acceleration, even though it worked with the exact video card I'm using, in another machine. |
| 06:31.52 | Yan^ | unstable: ok, i think I will try next to install etch and see what it says |
| 06:32.02 | jbrouhard | Hey guys.. is there a wiki for Debian that has how-tos on it ? Just wondering |
| 06:32.06 | Yan^ | Dwonis: well, I have mandrake Linux working without probs |
| 06:32.06 | Wyzard|TP | Dwonis: What video card? |
| 06:32.26 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: Matrox G550 |
| 06:32.28 | liable | jbrouhard: try debian-administration.org |
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| 06:32.35 | Yan^ | dwonis: and also ubuntu recognizes the card! |
| 06:32.36 | jbrouhard | I'm looking on the site :) |
| 06:32.39 | liable | or whatever its actually called |
| 06:32.40 | Wyzard|TP | Dwonis: I've never heard of a motherboard preventing 3D acceleration from working :-/ |
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| 06:33.18 | Yan^ | wyzard: yes, exactly. x does not want to install |
| 06:33.28 | unstable | Yan^: You don't need to download the disc, and format. Yan^ If you already have sarge, you just have to edit your sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:33.29 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: Well, I _think_ it's the board. Q3A actually _starts_, and *sound* works, but the video is stuck on the first frame. |
| 06:33.40 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: What happens when you try? |
| 06:33.50 | unstable | !tell jbrouhard about wiki |
| 06:33.51 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: And how do you know xorg would work any differently? |
| 06:33.54 | lekvar | æI want to know what actually happened when a certain package installed itself. How do I find out? |
| 06:34.16 | Yan^ | wyzard: cause I ahve just installed ubuntu and it does OK, it has Xorg |
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| 06:34.35 | Yan^ | unstable: yes, but with the NET, right? |
| 06:34.35 | jm_ | lekvar: you can find the details on Debian devel pages |
| 06:34.37 | lekvar | (I also want to know how to get alt- combos to work in X like they do in the console |
| 06:34.40 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: Ubuntu has its own versions of a lot of things |
| 06:34.44 | lekvar | jm_ yokay |
| 06:34.54 | jm_ | lekvar: there's this nice diagaram, try to find it |
| 06:35.08 | Yan^ | wyz: yes right you are... I just do not know what to do and I am trying |
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| 06:35.26 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: Rather than assuming that xorg is the solution and going ahead with a big plan to install it, you should describe the problem you're having with xfree |
| 06:35.35 | jbrouhard | Danke, unstable ! |
| 06:36.36 | Dwonis | Yan^: I've gotten a Radeon 9200SE working with XFree86 in the past, so I agree with Wyzard|TP. |
| 06:36.43 | Yan^ | wyzard: yeah, but I spent already several hours here in the channel explaining the prob, and it did not help. I would be OK to repeat the process, but I would not be able to copy the whole of /var/log/Xfree, i do not have NET on the other machine |
| 06:37.22 | Wyzard|TP | Yan^: You could connect it temporarily to the network, or use a disk or CD or flash drive to transfer the file |
| 06:37.22 | unstable | Yan^: correct |
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| 06:38.18 | Yan^ | Dwonis: yes I know that it can work, since it works on my LInux Mandrake, when I install it, but it does not want to work with sarge |
| 06:38.35 | Yan^ | i agree that this an argument for sarge |
| 06:38.42 | Yan^ | but i just could not make it work |
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| 06:38.59 | Yan^ | i just have HOPE that etch is more powerful |
| 06:39.04 | Yan^ | not more than that |
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| 06:39.34 | Dwonis | Yan^: My guess is that it's either quirky hardware, or there's something else you haven't mentioned. Either way, if you're not having success in this channel, it's probably because nobody here knows exactly how to fix your problem. |
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| 06:39.50 | SJr|nx | Um what debian package is nslookup in? |
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| 06:40.22 | jm_ | !tell SJr|nx -about search |
| 06:40.28 | Dwonis | Yan^: Feel free to install etch if you want (I hope it works too), but keep in mind that the people here don't seem to think that will make a difference, so don't be surprised/angry if they turn out to be right. |
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| 06:40.40 | Yan^ | Dwonis: hmm, hardware works fine with XP and Linux Mandrake, so would be surprised if something is wrong |
| 06:40.40 | Rizzer | SJr|nx: try dlocate or dpkg -S to find it |
| 06:40.53 | Yan^ | dwonis: i understand |
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| 06:41.03 | Wyzard|TP | SJr|nx: dnsutils, but nslookup is deprecated in favor of dig (which is in the same package) |
| 06:41.07 | Rizzer | or apt-cache search |
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| 06:41.23 | SJr|nx | apt-cache search wouldn't find it |
| 06:41.25 | bliss1__ | hi |
| 06:41.26 | SJr|nx | which is redonculus |
| 06:41.30 | SJr|nx | I did check that |
| 06:41.32 | SJr|nx | thank you |
| 06:41.40 | SJr|nx | Wyzard|TP thats it |
| 06:41.45 | Yan^ | Dwonis: you say btw you had the Radeon 9200 with sarge? |
| 06:41.55 | unstable | !greet bliss1__ |
| 06:41.55 | dpkg | Salutations, bliss1__ |
| 06:41.55 | Rizzer | SJr|nx: ah ok. dlocate will find it if it's already installed. dpkg -S is a bit slower |
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| 06:42.01 | SJr|nx | no its ont |
| 06:42.04 | SJr|nx | not |
| 06:42.08 | SJr|nx | I'm trying to install it on my notebook :P |
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| 06:42.14 | Rizzer | ok sorry :) |
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| 06:42.36 | unstable | !tell SJr|nx about apt-cache |
| 06:42.41 | bliss1__ | when I type apt-get update will not resolve nameservers ok see http://pastebin.ca/49243 |
| 06:42.51 | bliss1__ | unstable: morning |
| 06:43.03 | bliss1__ | dpkg: morning |
| 06:43.03 | dpkg | well, morning is the early day after yesterday |
| 06:43.09 | SJr|nx | yes thank you unstable |
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| 06:43.29 | Dwonis | Yan^: I _think_ so, but I can't verify that for you (I don't have the hardware anymore.) |
| 06:43.42 | Yan^ | Dwonis: ok |
| 06:43.43 | SJr|nx | apt-cache search will not find it |
| 06:43.44 | Wyzard|TP | bliss1__: "Destination host unreachable" is not a DNS problem |
| 06:43.51 | Dwonis | Yan^: There's no harm in trying etch, I guess, except lost time :) |
| 06:44.10 | unstable | $ apt-cache search nslookup |
| 06:44.10 | unstable | host - utility for querying DNS servers |
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| 06:44.14 | unstable | Works fine for me SJr|nx |
| 06:44.31 | unstable | bliss1__: You are not connected to the internet. |
| 06:44.37 | unstable | bliss1__: Do you connect via wired or wireless? |
| 06:44.49 | liable | Yan^: what does the log actually say about it? |
| 06:45.05 | unstable | liable: He can't paste the log, that computer has no internet connection. |
| 06:45.11 | Rizzer | unstable: but the binary is actually in dnsutils. host is simply "similar" |
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| 06:45.19 | liable | Yan^: when you siad you tried different drivers, how did you reconfigure x? |
| 06:45.19 | Dwonis | Yan^: In any case, unless there's some sort of hardware problem, you should be able to get the 9200 working in Debian _eventually_. :) |
| 06:45.30 | bliss1__ | unstable; yes have internet connection I have ethernet switch |
| 06:45.41 | liable | unstable: thsta ok, he can read it :) |
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| 06:45.57 | unstable | bliss1__: type this as root "dhclient eth0" |
| 06:45.58 | Wyzard|TP | bliss1__: Your network cable might have come unplugged |
| 06:46.05 | bliss1__ | unstable: i am not in that box just now |
| 06:46.05 | Yan^ | liable: with dpkg reconfigure, then manually, then again ;)) |
| 06:46.10 | unstable | liable: I've seen him in here for an hour, and people keep asking him that, and he says the same thing. |
| 06:46.22 | Wyzard|TP | unstable: Why dhclient, when he's using a static IP already? |
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| 06:46.39 | Dwonis | Yan^: logs would be _extremely_ helpful in debugging this kind of problem, so I'd make some effort to get the logs into a pastebin... even if you have to copy the log files on floppy disks via SneakerNet |
| 06:46.58 | unstable | bliss1__: Then type "apt-get update" |
| 06:47.04 | Yan^ | Dwonis: ok I will try to get the logs |
| 06:47.25 | liable | Yan^: right, if you have done it manually, open the file and run the md5sum command thats written up the top, then reconfigure it with dpkg, dont set the pci, and choose vesa to start with |
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| 06:47.54 | Yan^ | Dwonis, unstable: i do not have the logs now, since I have now the crashed ubuntu on the computer ;))) |
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| 06:48.19 | bliss1__ | unstable: ok i will get back to you |
| 06:48.44 | Wyzard|TP | Dwonis: Ever seen an old monitor that doesn't support the standard 80x25 text mode? :-) |
| 06:48.51 | Yan^ | ok, people, thanks a lot, i will make the next try anfd make an effort to bring the logs |
| 06:49.07 | simonrvn | Justin: are you *the* Justin? |
| 06:49.23 | liable | Yan^: when you reconfigure x, only do it with dpkg. |
| 06:49.24 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: no, except for the TRS-80 Model 100's screen |
| 06:49.39 | Yan^ | liable: ok |
| 06:49.47 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: And my Amiga if I switched the font size to 60 cols/line |
| 06:50.05 | unstable | Yan^: and make sure you choose "vesa" and not ati or radeon |
| 06:50.09 | simonrvn | Justin: if so, hi :) |
| 06:50.28 | unstable | simonrvn: no he is someone you don't know. |
| 06:50.32 | Dwonis | simonrvn: so you wouldn't say "hi" to any other Justin? |
| 06:50.38 | Wyzard|TP | Dwonis: I've seen one that supports 1280x1024 but not the 640x400 used by text mode |
| 06:50.46 | simonrvn | sure, but i wouldn't know them =) |
| 06:50.50 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: It is an LCD? |
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| 06:50.55 | Wyzard|TP | Dwonis: no, CRT |
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| 06:51.14 | jmd | Has anyone mangaged to make the etch version of fuse-utils work? |
| 06:51.14 | Yan^ | unstable: well, maybe it is not useful now, but tell me: why vesa?? ubuntu XfreeConfig displays: "ati" driver |
| 06:51.23 | Yan^ | and it works |
| 06:51.26 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: o_O |
| 06:52.04 | jmd | For me it just says failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied |
| 06:52.09 | Wyzard|TP | Dwonis: but old and designed for use with an HP PA-RISC system whose text mode uses a different resolution |
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| 06:52.31 | bliss1__ | unstable see http://pastebin.ca/49244 noitce encap |
| 06:52.33 | Dwonis | Yan^: The idea is to get X working with vesa (which should _always_ work) before trying to get the card-specific stuff to work. Nobody's suggesting that you use vesa permanently |
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| 06:53.18 | litage | when i run a command through sudo as user www-data, the command executes ``printf foo > /dev/stderr'' which generates the error "/usr/sbin/serctl: line 268: /dev/stderr: Permission denied". how can i fix this? |
| 06:53.18 | Dwonis | Wyzard|TP: ah. In that case, it's less surprising. |
| 06:53.18 | simonrvn | if they were, people would say "sorry, dude, you're stuck on vesa forever" or something to that effect |
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| 06:53.39 | Yan^ | Dwonis: a, ok , well get to go now, I will try to come back with logs |
| 06:53.45 | Yan^ | many thanks |
| 06:53.55 | Dwonis | litage: Are you perchance running something like "sudo foo > /dev/stderr" ? |
| 06:54.06 | Yan^ | unstable: thanks and see ya |
| 06:54.06 | simonrvn | logs are nice to keep track of things and to heat your house and food |
| 06:54.08 | Dwonis | litage: wait.. STDERR? |
| 06:54.12 | Yan^ | liable: tnakx |
| 06:54.15 | Yan^ | thanks |
| 06:54.31 | Dwonis | Yan^: good luck |
| 06:54.34 | litage | Dwonis: i'm running this: sudo -u www-data serctl add sip:111@blah.com 111 111@blah.com |
| 06:55.32 | litage | Dwonis: serctl is a bash script, and line 266 which generates the error is: printf "MySql password: " > /dev/stderr |
| 06:55.56 | Dwonis | litage: i bet i know what it's doing... let me poke around a bit |
| 06:56.08 | litage | Dwonis: np. thanks for the help |
| 06:56.13 | simonrvn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2006-04-11 14:24 /dev/stderr -> /proc/self/fd/2 |
| 06:56.26 | Dwonis | litage: I didn't say I could help you, just that I think I know what it's doing :) |
| 06:56.30 | simonrvn | (fyi) |
| 06:56.42 | litage | Dwonis: hey, even that would be a help |
| 06:57.21 | Dwonis | wtf... |
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| 06:57.33 | samuel | are there any programs that can put something like a video or perhaps a screensaves as my background? |
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| 06:58.01 | litage | Dwonis: /dev/stderr is a link to /proc/self/fd/2 which is a ilnk to /dev/pts/4 which is mode 620 and owned nick:tty |
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| 06:58.38 | Xteven | samuel : mplayer can |
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| 06:59.19 | Dwonis | litage: right, and www-data doesn't have access to your tty, so it's not going to work |
| 06:59.19 | samuel | Xteven, really? i know of one called xwinsomething, but i cant remember the name |
| 06:59.49 | Xteven | samuel : check the -rootwin option in mplayer |
| 07:00.16 | samuel | Xteven, thanks |
| 07:00.28 | Dwonis | litage: it's a bug with the script. Instead of using >/dev/stderr, it should use >&2 or something, to dup() the existing file descriptor instead of trying to reopen the file |
| 07:00.46 | forcer | Good morning. I am using sid and upgraded yesterday to the new xorg stuff. Now my X won't start anymore, and I don't get any good error messages from startx nor wdm. (Former says "giving up. unable to connect to X11 server. server error.", the latter says even less) |
| 07:00.55 | forcer | Any ideas what might be causing this? |
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| 07:01.19 | simonrvn | Dwonis: mind reader |
| 07:01.31 | Dwonis | simonrvn: huh? |
| 07:01.48 | simonrvn | wrt /dev/stderr and &2 |
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| 07:02.34 | Dwonis | simonrvn: heh. just think: I could have gotten a patent and prevented you from using that idea for 20 years. |
| 07:02.58 | simonrvn | and i would've said "stupid patent" and used it anyway ;p |
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| 07:03.46 | vin` | forcer: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 07:03.58 | Dwonis | simonrvn: sigh. I wish it were that simple. |
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| 07:04.23 | forcer | vin`: Sadly, Xorg.0.log isn't touched at all when I use startx |
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| 07:05.36 | simonrvn | Dwonis: yeh, me too. would make life easier =). you in SK? neat |
| 07:05.45 | Dwonis | simonrvn: but but but ... if you ignored my patent, where would be my incentive to come up with new innovations such as using >&2 instead of /dev/stderr? |
| 07:06.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:06.05 | Dwonis | simonrvn: (re: SK) yup |
| 07:06.26 | jmd | Does anyone know how to do "new" style mounting with fusermount ? |
| 07:06.32 | Dwonis | simonrvn: are you an op? Your address seems to be hidden. |
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| 07:06.49 | simonrvn | no, just a user cloak. i'm in QC |
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| 07:07.04 | Dwonis | simonrvn: eh? how do you do that? |
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| 07:07.44 | simonrvn | well nowadays they're tied in with your nick and IDing, but mine is the old style with an n-line (at least it behaves like the old one) |
| 07:08.04 | simonrvn | have to use a server password and everything |
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| 07:09.53 | forcer | No ideas on this X thing? |
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| 07:10.09 | liable | check the bts |
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| 07:12.03 | lokkju | using grub, is there any way to tell it to use a specific kernel for the next reboot ONLY |
| 07:12.05 | litage | Dwonis: yeah i was wondering about that. not sure why they redirect to /dev/stderr rather than fd 2 |
| 07:12.20 | simonrvn | that's kinda broken |
| 07:12.26 | simonrvn | s,kinda,, |
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| 07:12.47 | jm_ | lokkju: no, only particular GRUB menu entry |
| 07:13.01 | lokkju | jm_, close enough - how, exaclty? |
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| 07:15.04 | jm_ | lokkju: info grub -> Booting -> Making your system more robust |
| 07:15.23 | jm_ | but AFAIK Debian doesn't ship the util that does the job in GRUB package, at least in Sarge |
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| 07:15.59 | lokkju | grub-reboot looks like it might do the job |
| 07:16.05 | kaeso | hi all... |
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| 07:18.08 | jm_ | yeah that will modify your menu.lst |
| 07:18.16 | tarzeau | does this look right? -lXxf86vm |
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| 07:18.38 | Erpo | Howdy all. I'm running debian testing and I'm experiencing some problems with some applications after upgrading glibc. Prepending G_SLICE=always-malloc fixes the problems. Is there any way I can turn off the new G_SLICE behavior system-wide so that I don't have to use the environment variable fix each time? |
| 07:18.39 | forcer | liable: I did, and there apparently is no related bug report on x11-common nor xserver-xorg-core - other packages I should look at? |
| 07:18.40 | lokkju | jm_, oh? the man says it only affects the next boot |
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| 07:19.24 | SJr|nx | Whats a good command line utility that can convert from m4a to mp3? |
| 07:19.53 | samuel | anyone know how to put a screensaver as a desktop background? |
| 07:19.55 | lokkju | finally |
| 07:20.19 | lokkju | acpi=off fixes the damn Dell RTC bug |
| 07:20.28 | jm_ | lokkju: yeah it should work, it adds an entry to menu.lst |
| 07:20.58 | liable | forcer: only thing I can suggest is checking the related packages. |
| 07:21.11 | Erpo | SJr|nx: You might be able to do that with a Gstreamer pipeline. Failing that, you'll probably have to find an m4a decoder and pipe its output into an mp3 encoder. However, for best quality, you should rerip all your audio. (Yeah, I know, it sucks.) |
| 07:21.27 | forcer | liable: As of recently, there are quite a few "related" packages :-) But Ok. |
| 07:21.29 | forcer | No X for me. |
| 07:21.50 | simonrvn | samuel: you mean something like a screen shot of one? |
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| 07:22.18 | samuel | simonrvn, no, i want a screensaver running on my desktop all the time |
| 07:22.19 | Dwonis | samel: try this: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/pyro -root |
| 07:22.22 | SJr|nx | argh |
| 07:22.23 | samuel | AS the desktop |
| 07:22.27 | SJr|nx | maybe I'll just boot into windows. |
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| 07:22.51 | simonrvn | do that ^^ |
| 07:23.13 | Sleeper | hi |
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| 07:23.24 | MicroHard | mm |
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| 07:24.05 | MicroHard | anyone do 3ds studioes here? |
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| 07:24.50 | Sleeper | i do maya |
| 07:25.32 | samuel | Dwonis, its odd, the CPU shows the screensaver is running, but the desktop does not |
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| 07:25.41 | samuel | the program runs, but nothing changes |
| 07:25.59 | Dwonis | samuel: odd... oh, are you running Nautilus? |
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| 07:26.13 | samuel | Dwonis, --nodesktop? |
| 07:26.15 | xevious | how do i list the files in an already installed package? |
| 07:26.22 | AjiDahaka | Wyzard: thanks again. worked great |
| 07:26.28 | Dwonis | samuel: probably. or you can use "punch holes in windows" to see it :) |
| 07:26.47 | samuel | :) |
| 07:26.58 | vin` | xevious: dpkg -L foo |
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| 07:27.43 | xevious | is there a problem with w32codecs? |
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| 07:28.01 | xevious | gxine and w32codecs god messed up after an update |
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| 07:28.27 | xevious | where does aptitude store downloaded debs? |
| 07:29.15 | Dwonis | xevious: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 07:29.46 | simonrvn | xevious: same for apt-get |
| 07:29.53 | xevious | thanks :) |
| 07:29.57 | xevious | situation resolved |
| 07:30.21 | xevious | you folks have a good evening if you haven't gone to bed yet, and a good day if you've woken up already |
| 07:30.25 | xevious | byebye |
| 07:30.29 | simonrvn | see you |
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| 07:31.56 | forcer | Apparently, it doesn't even read in xorg.conf |
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| 07:33.15 | forcer | Is there an easy way to downgrade to the last X? :-) |
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| 07:37.03 | forcer | Hm. |
| 07:37.15 | forcer | Well, /etc/X11/X is a symlink to /bin/true |
| 07:37.29 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:38.07 | forcer | I'm somewhat annoyed. |
| 07:38.08 | simonrvn | /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 07:38.21 | forcer | The upgrade yesterday must have killed that. |
| 07:38.39 | Dwonis | unstable: installing sarge from CD, then adding the etch sources and running "apt-get install apt ; apt-get update" seems to make apt-secure work without running apt-key or anything like that |
| 07:38.49 | Dwonis | s/sources/sources.list entry/ |
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| 07:39.10 | atsi | hi |
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| 07:40.56 | forcer | This is a joke. |
| 07:41.10 | simonrvn | haha |
| 07:41.12 | simonrvn | :P |
| 07:41.19 | mbp | after a recent upgrade to xorg 7.0 in unstable, X fails to startup, can't load modules nvidia and glx - how can I solve it? |
| 07:41.23 | atsi | i wasrunning sarge. recently, my hard disk (IDE) crashed and i bought a SATA hard disk and i am looking to do an installation in the SATA. the thing is that i am not sure how well the sata is supported. motherboard is an ASUS A7v600-x.plz prefix |
| 07:41.38 | tarzeau | mbp: #nvidia |
| 07:41.46 | tarzeau | mbp: why do you use sid when you can't fix such things? |
| 07:41.48 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 07:41.48 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 07:41.49 | simonrvn | mbp: need to check the modulepath |
| 07:41.55 | jm_ | atsi: you may need a newer kernel, but that's it |
| 07:42.01 | forcer | mbp: You might also want to fix the symlink in /etc/X11/X which points to /bin/true ... |
| 07:42.04 | forcer | :P |
| 07:42.20 | mbp | forcer, mine points to /usr/bin/Xorg. |
| 07:42.48 | forcer | mbp: Lucky you |
| 07:43.15 | simonrvn | forcer: i'm suspecting upgrade got interrupted or something |
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| 07:43.21 | simonrvn | in your case |
| 07:43.23 | forcer | simonrvn: Weird. |
| 07:43.47 | mbp | tarzeau, I thought this was a helping channel. I have been using unstable for 5-6, written documentation for Debian and co-maintaining packages. I usually fix these problems myself by looking at bug reports and mailing lists, but I can't seem to find anything. |
| 07:43.53 | atsi | jm_, ok during the installation i am looking to do linux26, in oredr to install 2.6 kernel. is that sufficient? |
| 07:43.53 | forcer | Well, I'm not the only one. Found someone on #emacs with a similar error, he gave me the hint with the symlink. |
| 07:43.59 | forcer | For him, the fonts are broken as well. |
| 07:44.17 | forcer | My server now doesn't start up because it can't find the fixed font - if I may believe this error. |
| 07:44.20 | mbp | simonrvn, where is the module path defined? did it change? |
| 07:44.33 | tarzeau | mbp: yes it's too new, i thought #nvidia is a hint to help... |
| 07:44.42 | jm_ | atsi: as long as that kernel version supports your SATA controller, yes |
| 07:44.43 | tarzeau | mbp: you are not alone with your problem |
| 07:45.05 | mbp | forcer, I had the problem with the symlink as well, but found out "xserver-xorg" package was not installed, after installing that, it worked |
| 07:45.06 | tarzeau | mbp: sid users usually check if things will work after the upgrade, and then do the upgrades |
| 07:45.11 | atsi | jm_, i am asking cause i do not know if it supported. |
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| 07:45.26 | simonrvn | mbp: well, 'cause the nvidia package in question uses the old xfree/xorg 6.9 paths, and xorg 7 uses another so you can symlink or add the right 'ModulePath' to xorg.conf |
| 07:45.32 | jm_ | atsi: me neither, but I think it will work |
| 07:45.32 | mbp | tarzeau, I pretty much assumed this was a Debian-specific question, but it is general to nvidia and X.org 7.0? |
| 07:46.00 | atsi | jm_, ok. if it does not then what? |
| 07:46.03 | tarzeau | mbp: i think it's the latter yes. i'm not sure though |
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| 07:46.10 | simonrvn | new stuff goes in /usr/lib/xorg and the old stuff in /usr/X11R6/lib/blah or such |
| 07:46.13 | jm_ | atsi: then you simply use a CD with never kernel |
| 07:46.16 | mbp | tarzeau, simonrvn, thanks. |
| 07:46.19 | Gardy | Hello |
| 07:46.29 | usn | hi folx |
| 07:46.36 | atsi | jm_, which one is the cd with the newer kernel? |
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| 07:46.44 | Gardy | Can somebody help a little bit? |
| 07:46.46 | jm_ | atsi: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 07:46.53 | Dwonis | !tell Gardy about ask |
| 07:46.58 | simonrvn | jm_: a never kernel? does that mean we never have to compile a kernel again? :P |
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| 07:47.23 | jm_ | simonrvn: hah, just doing too many things at once and not paying enough attention to typing |
| 07:47.24 | _Supertux | Ħ→ |
| 07:47.29 | _Supertux | Hi |
| 07:47.32 | simonrvn | jm_: *grin* |
| 07:47.36 | Gardy | The f**king WinXP erased my boot loader (Lilo) and I cna't get the debian to run. |
| 07:47.38 | usn | Gardy, just tell |
| 07:47.55 | tarzeau | Gardy: fucking fix it then? |
| 07:48.11 | Gardy | But, how? |
| 07:48.17 | simonrvn | fucking hell, fucking fix it, fucking fuck :P |
| 07:48.26 | tarzeau | simonrvn: heh |
| 07:48.28 | usn | Gardy, start the machine with a rescue cd (debian install cd), chroot to your root partition, execute lilo |
| 07:48.31 | atsi | jm_, ok thanks |
| 07:48.34 | tarzeau | Gardy: just get any sane live cd with grub, and install grub? |
| 07:48.41 | usn | next time install win first, or leave it completely |
| 07:49.00 | Gardy | thanx |
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| 07:49.12 | Gardy | I'll try it. |
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| 07:49.31 | Gardy | bye |
| 07:49.48 | infernix | what's a decent commandline cd (iso) burning tool? |
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| 07:49.59 | usn | mkisofs and cdrecord? |
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| 07:50.43 | infernix | okido. been ages since i burnt cds:) |
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| 07:51.38 | zztt | i asked yesterday but got no satisfactory answer, so for the record the best solution (i.e. package) for two-way directory mirroring via ftp is lftp , IMHO |
| 07:52.19 | tarzeau | cdrdao |
| 07:52.25 | simonrvn | lftp is just plain neat. it handles several protocols |
| 07:52.30 | jm_ | yes, lftp's mirror works pretty well |
| 07:52.30 | tarzeau | zztt: or rsync |
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| 07:52.53 | Dwonis | tarzeau: rsync supports ftp? |
| 07:53.02 | tarzeau | Dwonis: no |
| 07:53.06 | zztt | tarzeau: i said _ftp_ based |
| 07:53.36 | tarzeau | zztt: any reason why it must be ftp? |
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| 07:53.49 | tarzeau | zztt: speed or firewall? |
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| 07:54.45 | zztt | tarzeau: customer server |
| 07:55.39 | forcer | Ok, no installed font is available either. |
| 07:56.30 | Dwonis | bah. who needs customers, anyway? ;) |
| 07:56.57 | zztt | Dwonis: are you still a student ? ;) |
| 07:57.43 | Dwonis | zztt: just finished my last course today, actually, but I'm also a freelance programmer on the side (and soon full time). I know the feeling. |
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| 07:58.48 | zztt | yeah who needs customers who use svn internally but only communicate with you through a crummy windoze ftp server :( |
| 07:58.57 | Dwonis | lol |
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| 08:00.46 | Dwonis | Consulting is amazing. It gives you a totally different perspective. It's amazing what crap I cheerfully put up with when people are paying me to give them The Warm Fuzzy Feeling (TM), versus when I'm working on my own time. :) |
| 08:00.56 | forcer | Ok, I give up. Have to get some work done. |
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| 08:01.10 | Pinguino | hello |
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| 08:01.33 | dfd | Hello |
| 08:01.33 | Dwonis | e.g. PHP4 :) |
| 08:01.34 | Pinguino | somebody works with vpn(openvpn)? |
| 08:01.42 | deadcat | do i need the following? libglu1-xorg libxaw8 libxkbui1 ? |
| 08:01.46 | Dwonis | !tell Pinguino about ask |
| 08:01.50 | dfd | Are you having problems with nvidia official drivers with last debian xorg package (unstable)? |
| 08:01.56 | simonrvn | this is why i'd probably be horrible at consulting, i'm rather impatient with bullshit |
| 08:02.21 | deadcat | dfd: no. just apt-get update |
| 08:02.29 | dfd | It seems that xorg changed the search path for the modules and it can't find the drivers installed by nvidia installer |
| 08:02.33 | Pinguino | i have a vpn that i created with openvpn |
| 08:02.34 | deadcat | dfd: nevermind. i am using apt-get nvidia |
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| 08:02.53 | Pinguino | but doesn't work |
| 08:02.56 | benoitc | hi all |
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| 08:03.08 | deadcat | dfd: you dont get help if you use official nvidia. you on your own. we all use apt-get'able nvidia-source |
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| 08:03.36 | Dwonis | !tell Pinguino about dontwork |
| 08:03.38 | dfd | I solved the problem creating a couple of symlinks.. should I signal this to debian xorg team or to official nvidia driver team? |
| 08:03.59 | benoitc | have a pb with lighttpd, connection reset when I upload big file or I post big content. I use lighttpd+fastcgi+php5-cgi. Any idee ? |
| 08:04.01 | simonrvn | "doesn't work" |
| 08:04.24 | simonrvn | benoitc: over 2 GB? |
| 08:04.26 | Dwonis | !doesn't work |
| 08:04.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:04.35 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:04.40 | benoitc | simonrvn, nope < 1Mo |
| 08:04.41 | Dwonis | Pinguino: ^^^^ |
| 08:04.48 | plutonas | can somebody plz help me with make-kpkg? |
| 08:04.50 | Pinguino | yes Dwonis |
| 08:04.58 | Pinguino | i speak english not very well |
| 08:05.03 | Dwonis | !tell Pinguino about doesn't work |
| 08:05.04 | simonrvn | no idea. check the BTs maybe |
| 08:05.07 | simonrvn | S |
| 08:05.12 | deadcat | plutonas: if you dont need to. dont |
| 08:05.21 | Dwonis | Pinguino: You'll need to be more specific |
| 08:05.22 | dfd | Pinguino, you can join #debian-it as well |
| 08:05.25 | benoitc | BTS ? |
| 08:05.31 | benoitc | oh ok |
| 08:05.31 | deadcat | !bts |
| 08:05.32 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 08:05.40 | benoitc | yes sry |
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| 08:05.48 | plutonas | deadcat, I think I need |
| 08:05.55 | dfd | Pinguino, entra in #debian-it |
| 08:06.00 | simonrvn | go have one :) |
| 08:06.28 | plutonas | deadcat, can you help me? |
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| 08:06.39 | Pinguino | Dwonis, read me in pvt |
| 08:06.46 | Dwonis | simonrvn: Debian has a BTS? ;) |
| 08:06.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:07.02 | deadcat | plutonas: cant. i am dizzy from the vanilla candle i had on for hours (= |
| 08:07.13 | simonrvn | oh my |
| 08:07.18 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:07.20 | buu | Anyone happen to know how to use curses to make the cursor invisible? |
| 08:07.36 | tarzeau | buu: yes |
| 08:07.48 | Dwonis | buu: if you're in xterm, you can use the mouse to select-over the cursor ;) |
| 08:07.49 | simonrvn | i can only imagine... sickly sweet stinky wannabe vanilla smell all over the house. gimme sage any day ;) |
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| 08:08.07 | buu | tarzeau: Would you like to tell me how? |
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| 08:08.22 | ste | hi. how can I get the label of a vfat formatted usb key? |
| 08:08.35 | tarzeau | buu: err why not use ansi codes? grep for cursor in www.linuks.mine.nu/modplugplay/modplugplay-1.1/modplugplay.c |
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| 08:08.50 | Pinguino | if i have my lan with ip 192.168.1.0/24 under a router adsl with ip 192.168.1.1 and the server vpn is in my lan if i set tun/tap in class virtual 10.0.0.x the vpn doesn't work |
| 08:09.39 | tarzeau | ste: hmm volname is only for CD-ROM |
| 08:10.06 | tarzeau | ste: wouldn't fdisk/gpart or some tool like that know? for fat it's always at the same place, bootsector 12 bytes |
| 08:10.19 | buu | tarzeau: Hrm. |
| 08:10.26 | deadcat | plutonas: dont /msg me please. i told you i am dizzy right now |
| 08:10.49 | Dwonis | ste: this is the horribly-wrong way to do it, but you can do like "file -sL /dev/sda1" (if /dev/sda1 is your usb key filesystem) |
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| 08:11.27 | superlinux | in cisco routers there are smart serial ports.. do u know a smart serial you tested port on PCI or so? and is linux comaptible |
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| 08:11.48 | ste | Dwonis: maybe wrong but perfetcly working. Thanks ;) |
| 08:12.09 | Pinguino | Dwonis, if i have my lan with ip 192.168.1.0/24 under a router adsl with ip 192.168.1.1 and the server vpn is in my lan if i set tun/tap in class virtual 10.0.0.x the vpn doesn't work |
| 08:12.18 | superlinux | hey all i am here to help!! you r welcomed |
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| 08:12.45 | Dwonis | Pinguino: I saw it the first time, but I don't know the answer. |
| 08:13.21 | Dwonis | superlinux: "smart serial"? |
| 08:13.26 | superlinux | yea |
| 08:13.31 | Dwonis | superlinux: meaning? |
| 08:13.40 | superlinux | those X.21 and the like ports |
| 08:13.50 | Dwonis | superlinux: ah, no idea. |
| 08:13.54 | superlinux | cos i am studiyng CCNA |
| 08:14.04 | superlinux | and there is quagga on linux |
| 08:14.13 | petemc | eh? |
| 08:14.18 | superlinux | so what i am thinking of is selling cheap routers |
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| 08:14.53 | superlinux | .. which i setup |
| 08:15.16 | petemc | i read that as "no quagga on linux" |
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| 08:15.39 | superlinux | aha! |
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| 08:16.02 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 08:16.10 | superlinux | hi bliss1_ |
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| 08:17.15 | bliss1_ | superlinux: hey hi |
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| 08:18.21 | bliss1_ | this pastebin is ok but ned a more simple explaination http://pastebin.ca/49246 |
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| 08:20.15 | Dwonis | bliss1_: depending on your audience, you could just say what CONFIG_* directives need to be enabled |
| 08:20.47 | superlinux | bliss1_, i am checking it |
| 08:21.10 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: 10 year olds |
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| 08:21.32 | Dwonis | bliss1_: depends on how smart the 10-year-olds are :) |
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| 08:22.04 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: a lot smatter than this guy here |
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| 08:22.28 | bliss1_ | smartter |
| 08:24.04 | Dwonis | bliss1_: Other than specifying the CONFIG_* directives, I'm not sure how much simpler you can make it (and I don't have access to 10-year-olds to test it for you) :) |
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| 08:24.14 | Dwonis | bliss1_: It _is_ configuring a kernel compile, after all |
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| 08:24.39 | Dwonis | bliss1_: If you could do video or annotated screenshots, that might help |
| 08:24.52 | fplus | how would you check the status of ftpd on linux? |
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| 08:25.27 | Dwonis | fplus: "ftp localhost"? nagios? depends on what you mean |
| 08:25.51 | fplus | no |
| 08:25.59 | fplus | Dwonis, i want to check if the service is running |
| 08:26.01 | petemc | netstat, ps, lsof, fuser |
| 08:26.13 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: ok this came in an email to me and I do not understand if fully |
| 08:26.15 | fplus | like /etc/init.d/sshd status |
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| 08:27.28 | Dwonis | bliss1_: Do you know what I mean when I say "make menuconfig", and have you done it successfully? |
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| 08:29.36 | plutonas | hello I installed cpufreqd on my sarge-laptop, How do I compile it inside my kernel? |
| 08:29.57 | fplus | what the proper way to check whether the service ftpd is running on linux or not? |
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| 08:30.31 | cahoot | fplus: try pgrep ftpd |
| 08:31.17 | cahoot | fplus: or rather pgrep ftp - lsof -i, netsta -tupan etc as pointed out above |
| 08:31.19 | jm_ | plutonas: did you check if the kernel you're using now already supports it? |
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| 08:31.59 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: yes I understand that command no I tried it once but did not succeed there is another in this how to thats not useing but in his email he did say The first way is easier, but it has the disadvantage that the domU kernel that comes with the binary package has no support for quota and iptables, so I have a choice do i need to use quota and iptables? |
| 08:32.00 | plutonas | jm_, no, and I don't know how to check it. What should I type? I use the 2.6 kernel if that helps. |
| 08:32.13 | jm_ | plutonas: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
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| 08:32.53 | Dwonis | bliss1_: Are you normally familiar with recompiling your kernel? |
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| 08:33.06 | Dwonis | bliss1_: To make menuconfig itself work, you need to install libncurses5-dev |
| 08:33.50 | plutonas | cp0/ is empty |
| 08:34.00 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: no take a look at http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_xen3_debian point no 3 |
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| 08:35.21 | plutonas | jm_, does this mean that I don't have it compiled in my kernel? |
| 08:35.30 | flosch | hi |
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| 08:36.35 | cam | i'm having a pblm with apt-get ... it runs ... but hangs ... I can't kill -9 him ... any idea how to kill the process ? |
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| 08:37.09 | matju | is there a tool in debian for extracting files from a .dmg image (osx) ? |
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| 08:38.12 | Dwonis | bliss1_: ok, you need to learn how to recompile a kernel, and also how to do this specifically for Xen. That's not something I have time to explain. (but perhaps someone else here does) |
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| 08:38.48 | kevinz | Hello, My partition table seems have some problem as "QtPart" tells "Critical error during ped_disk_new" and "fdisk -l" shows "Partition 1&2 (MS Win Partitions) does not end on cylinder boundary." Am I able to fix this problem with the help of certain software? |
| 08:38.57 | poison | Hi all, I have a question: I'm configuring a new server that is only an smtpserver (postfix only outgoing mail), but there are two disks in it (scsi's). I want to use raid0 for performance reasons but what stripe size should I use? And should I use reiserfs for fast handling all the small files? |
| 08:39.30 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: ok thanks for your help I will struugle on thats my life |
| 08:40.19 | Dwonis | bliss1_: You could also use the pre-packaged kernels for now, get Xen set up, and later worry about getting quotas working with a custom kernel |
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| 08:42.07 | Dwonis | ow |
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| 08:42.28 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: yes I thought of that, but I hope that I can some help here but maybe I will I will not continue until its done |
| 08:43.13 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: you see time is a quality thing already taken a day off work |
| 08:43.32 | jm_ | plutonas: does what mean this? |
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| 08:44.11 | jm_ | kevinz: that's just a warning |
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| 08:44.36 | kevinz | jm_: yes but certain software cannot run such as QtPart refuse to proceed |
| 08:44.53 | kevinz | jm_: although both MS Win and Linux work without problem |
| 08:44.54 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: stop beating nicks I will the dogs on you |
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| 08:45.12 | jm_ | kevinz: right, you'll have to make new partition table if you want to fix this |
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| 08:45.48 | zapalotta | hello |
| 08:46.08 | bliss1_ | Dwonis: it may come to the point where I will have to pay someone to do it |
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| 08:46.22 | zapalotta | I just changes the hostname on my Sarge Box. now emacs (CLI) takes about 2 mins for startup. |
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| 08:46.26 | kevinz | jm_: that's fine. do i have to delete those partitions which are reported "not end on cylinder boundary" and recreate them? |
| 08:46.31 | zapalotta | s/changes/changed |
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| 08:46.35 | zapalotta | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.36 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: ok the dogs are on there way-=-=-=-= |
| 08:46.48 | jm_ | kevinz: are you aware that you may lose data when doing this? |
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| 08:47.59 | disposable | kevinz, he probably WILL lose all data. i've done it so many times... ;) |
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| 08:48.04 | kevinz | jm_: yes i am. I think I have to backup all data on the partition and restore them. The error reported by "fdisk" is only with MS Win partitions, can I just delete those ones such that linux partition won't be affected |
| 08:48.12 | disposable | kevinz, s/he/you |
| 08:48.25 | kevinz | disposable: oh my ... even if i back up the files on those paritions? |
| 08:48.36 | jm_ | kevinz: sure, you can delete just one partition, but if you can, I advise you to backup everything, just in case |
| 08:48.39 | bliss1_ | awaits some help on a kernel recomplie -any offers |
| 08:48.53 | disposable | kevinz, well just make sure you don't back it up to a partition on the same drive |
| 08:49.08 | kevinz | i see. So may i ask how to do that in linux? I mean to back up a FAT partition? |
| 08:49.47 | kevinz | disposable: ah but i just have one drive.. it is a notebook. It can't be done in the same drive? |
| 08:49.48 | zapalotta | how do I change a box's hostname correctly on sarge? |
| 08:50.40 | zapalotta | using 'hostname foo' seems to interfere some stuff |
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| 08:51.26 | disposable | kevinz, i didn't follow your entire conversation i'm not sure what you're doing. but recreating a partition table is generally very likely to render your machine useless. have gpart ready |
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| 08:51.43 | avtobiff | zapalotta, edit /etc/hostname /etc/mailname |
| 08:51.50 | zapalotta | ah, mailname |
| 08:51.57 | avtobiff | zapalotta, and perhaps /etc/hosts as well |
| 08:52.17 | Shadowcat | you know |
| 08:52.20 | kevinz | disposable: i see. so may i ask how to back up a partition under linux? or make an image of it |
| 08:52.21 | Shadowcat | after you change the hostname |
| 08:52.24 | Shadowcat | you should reaboot |
| 08:52.27 | Shadowcat | reboot* |
| 08:52.35 | bliss1_ | liable: sleeply or awake |
| 08:52.42 | avtobiff | Shadowcat, why? |
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| 08:52.49 | turb | hello |
| 08:52.50 | disposable | kevinz, that cylinder boundary problem is usually caused if you let windows create its own partition. is that what you did? for a backup use partimage |
| 08:53.02 | Shadowcat | avtobiff: because all the programs read the contents of /etc/hostname into memory |
| 08:53.04 | turb | how do i upgrade KDE? |
| 08:53.10 | Shadowcat | they're not reading the file directly |
| 08:53.16 | Shadowcat | so in their eyes, you still haven't changed anything |
| 08:53.35 | avtobiff | kevinz, dd if=/dev/hda5 of=somebackupimagefile would do the trick? |
| 08:54.02 | zapalotta | avtobiff, that helped, thanks |
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| 08:54.25 | avtobiff | zapalotta, you may want to do what Shadowcat asked you to do as well. reboot that is. |
| 08:54.43 | kevinz | disposable: yes i think so. I think it happens after both windows and linux partition my disk... |
| 08:54.47 | hynek | b |
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| 08:55.01 | Shadowcat | it's the same thing as changing a Windows Computer Name |
| 08:55.03 | zapalotta | avtobiff, that's what I did before, I just edited hosts now, maybe I can schedule a reboot tonight |
| 08:55.04 | Shadowcat | you have to reboot |
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| 08:55.12 | kevinz | avtobiff: oh I learned about this trick in the past... that's nice... but is it safe enough :S? |
| 08:55.15 | Shadowcat | zapalotta: no reboot NOW |
| 08:55.24 | Shadowcat | because changing that file breaks a lot of things |
| 08:55.27 | avtobiff | kevinz, safe for what? |
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| 08:55.49 | Shadowcat | kevinz: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:56.00 | disposable | kevinz, i personally first create partitions with knoppix and then install whatever i need to install. partimage compresses the image as well and does other neat tricks which i can't recall now :) |
| 08:56.27 | kevinz | to back up a whole disk, delete it and then recreate it and copy data back. |
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| 08:56.40 | dfd | hello |
| 08:56.41 | Shadowcat | kevinz: go get another hd |
| 08:56.46 | Shadowcat | and do it the old fashioned way |
| 08:56.52 | zapalotta | thanks all, see you |
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| 08:56.54 | bliss1_ | help needed to compile kernel with Xen please |
| 08:56.59 | zztt | what would you recommend as C++ development environment to develop wxWidgets applications ? I've been using emacs for ages but I hear some IDEs are getting pretty cool... any hints ? |
| 08:57.14 | Shadowcat | bliss1_: I doubt anyone has the time or the patience to teach you how to compile a kernel |
| 08:57.27 | disposable | kevinz, it can split the image into cdrom sized chunks for burning. and it backups only used blocks. |
| 08:57.33 | dfd | have you having problems with nvidia drivers? I can't get more than 3 FPS.. I used to get 125 FPS.. any problems with xorg 7.0? Or what? |
| 08:57.45 | Shadowcat | dfd: read the TOPIC |
| 08:57.57 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: thanks |
| 08:57.58 | kevinz | disposable: that's powerful, i will use it |
| 08:58.15 | disposable | kevinz, may the force be with you |
| 08:58.27 | kevinz | Shadowcat: sorry i am not able to make it. I may take a risk |
| 08:58.33 | dfd | Shadowcat, sorry |
| 08:58.41 | kevinz | disposable: :D yes master... |
| 08:59.21 | kevinz | disposable: oh btw how to delete the FAT partition afterwards? use fdisk? |
| 08:59.41 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: dogs arrived yet |
| 08:59.55 | disposable | kevinz, fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk whatever |
| 09:00.15 | kevinz | disposable: i see. thanks, on my way |
| 09:00.23 | Shadowcat | bliss1_: and being ironic won't earn you any points either |
| 09:00.42 | cahoot | that's ironoc |
| 09:00.55 | turb | how do i upgrade KDE? |
| 09:01.09 | disposable | turg: apt-get install wmaker |
| 09:01.18 | turb | funny |
| 09:01.26 | bliss1_ | Shadowcat: no I know but the day is young |
| 09:01.28 | disposable | turb, i know |
| 09:01.56 | turb | what's the real answer? |
| 09:02.55 | Shadowcat | the real answer is that if you're asking |
| 09:03.00 | disposable | turb, are you expecting people to ask you for your details first? |
| 09:03.30 | Shadowcat | you're probably not skilled enough to operate the more advanced apects of debian required to upgrade to say, KDE 3.5 |
| 09:03.40 | turb | disposable, what details? |
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| 09:04.26 | disposable | turb, are you running stable? testing? |
| 09:04.31 | turb | sarge |
| 09:04.47 | disposable | turb, deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main will this do the trick? |
| 09:04.51 | Shadowcat | disposable: see, I was right on the spot |
| 09:05.01 | Shadowcat | he probably wants a newer version of KDE |
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| 09:05.35 | disposable | Shadowcat, you were gonna torture him and enjoy it. i had to step in :) |
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| 09:05.46 | Shadowcat | not really |
| 09:05.59 | Shadowcat | torture is reserved for late nights |
| 09:06.01 | dedalo | Hi all, from Dominican |
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| 09:06.25 | disposable | Shadowcat, sorry, i didn't know your timezone |
| 09:06.25 | turb | disposable, so you're saying i can't install 3.5? |
| 09:06.38 | Shadowcat | turb: READ what I wrote |
| 09:06.43 | turb | whois wolfman8k |
| 09:06.49 | disposable | if it's not in backports, then not oficialy |
| 09:06.58 | disposable | turb: if it's not in backports, then not oficialy |
| 09:07.05 | turb | yes.. add to the repo? |
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| 09:07.34 | kspath | disposable: backports is official now? |
| 09:07.43 | Shadowcat | it's not official |
| 09:07.44 | disposable | turb, thes, that might help. first try to find it at backports.org |
| 09:07.50 | Shadowcat | never was |
| 09:07.58 | disposable | kspath, my bad :( |
| 09:08.00 | kspath | disposable: I thought backports was use at your own risk but tends to be ok? |
| 09:08.11 | disposable | kspath, MY BAD :( |
| 09:08.15 | turb | yes. they have 3.5 |
| 09:08.37 | Shadowcat | he's gonna screw himself over whether he runs a backport or from testing |
| 09:08.41 | kspath | with an overcooked piece of spaghetti? |
| 09:08.52 | Shadowcat | he simply doesn't know enough about apt to do it safely |
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| 09:09.45 | turb | how the hell you know what i know? do you know me by chance? |
| 09:10.02 | Shadowcat | simply by your original question |
| 09:10.13 | Shadowcat | if you knew how to operate apt you wouldn't be asking it |
| 09:10.20 | disposable | turb, just make sure you read the warnings on the backports.org page |
| 09:10.21 | kspath | Shadowcat: did you get turb's files and history yet? |
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| 09:10.34 | turb | maybe i was a slack guru for many years not knowing of the apt-get? |
| 09:11.06 | Shadowcat | turb: then you should go read up about the debian layout instead |
| 09:11.30 | Shadowcat | if you've used slackware for ages we should expect that much of you |
| 09:11.33 | kspath | turb: I believe Shadowcat was saying you likely do not know apt well enough. slack and redhat and others have ZERO to do with it. |
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| 09:11.56 | cahoot | Shadowcat: you speak for more than yourself? |
| 09:12.05 | cafuego | we are the borg |
| 09:12.10 | cafuego | resistance is feudal |
| 09:12.18 | Shadowcat | cahoot: we are talking about testing/unstable |
| 09:12.26 | Shadowcat | and with the mess that's going on in those parts of debian |
| 09:12.35 | Shadowcat | you should know what you're doing before you add those repos |
| 09:12.44 | turb | are you communists? |
| 09:12.45 | disposable | turb, you should probably read about Pin-Priority: ### as well |
| 09:13.09 | Shadowcat | turb: no |
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| 09:13.22 | Shadowcat | we don't like people running on the testing and unstable parts of debian |
| 09:13.23 | cahoot | Shadowcat: oh - I thought backports were for stable |
| 09:13.29 | Shadowcat | without the ability to sort out their own messes |
| 09:13.45 | Shadowcat | cahoot: adding a backport still requires knowing apt |
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| 09:13.49 | Shadowcat | which turb doesn't |
| 09:13.54 | Shadowcat | and backports DO break |
| 09:14.09 | disposable | turb, http://wiki.splitbrain.org/sources.list |
| 09:14.11 | kspath | cafuego: futile feudal was darkages but making a big comeback |
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| 09:15.12 | dfd | Someone having problems with nvidia drivers? I just upgraded both nvidia drivers and xorg server and I can't get more than 6/7 FPS.. (I used to get 125).. I don't know if it is due to nvidia drivers or xorg.. |
| 09:15.23 | Shadowcat | dfd: read the topic |
| 09:15.29 | dfd | Shadowcat, done |
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| 09:15.44 | kspath | turb: Are you in any way able to understand any political systems? What do political idealogies have to do with OS and tools? |
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| 09:16.07 | Shadowcat | heh if he's used to slackware |
| 09:16.14 | Shadowcat | he's probably gone and gotten a tarball |
| 09:16.27 | disposable | dfd, i had the same problem yesterday, but i'm not using the debian way of installing nvidia drivers so i sorted it by simply upgrading the nvidia supplied one |
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| 09:16.42 | Shadowcat | disposable: but are you using XOrg 7? |
| 09:17.11 | disposable | Shadowcat, dont know.. i'll have a look |
| 09:17.49 | disposable | Shadowcat, no, 6.9.0 |
| 09:17.56 | turb | linux=communism |
| 09:17.57 | kspath | Shadowcat: turb did not make much sense. Was he/she/it trying to insult someone by asking if someone believed in a political belief system? |
| 09:18.06 | Shadowcat | my point exactly |
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| 09:18.16 | turb | i saw revolutionOS. i know |
| 09:18.22 | Shadowcat | kspath: he's trying to insult us because we're not giving him what he wants |
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| 09:18.38 | turb | why insult? i'm red myself |
| 09:18.39 | zztt | turb: read about identification |
| 09:18.49 | dfd | Shadowcat, if he had the problem with 6.9.0 as well, probably the problem is due to nvidia drivers not to xorg 7.0. |
| 09:19.00 | Shadowcat | kspath: and I'm not doing it because I don't want to deal with the 256 follow up questions about testing that will come later |
| 09:19.11 | kspath | turb: You need a lot of help that can not be provided on irc but rather via intense manual labour in Siberia. |
| 09:19.14 | Shadowcat | dfd: not necessarily |
| 09:19.29 | Shadowcat | dfd: if you really want to test it, kick yourself back to XOrg 6.9 from testing |
| 09:19.42 | Shadowcat | dfd: because XOrg 7 is SERIOUSLY broken |
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| 09:19.50 | xarragon | Hello, I'm a debian newbie. I just ran an 'apt-get upgrade', but the package 'manpages-dev_2.25-2_all.deb' had an error during processing. What can I do? |
| 09:20.02 | dfd | Shadowcat, I can just try to install official nvidia drivers and see if the problem still stand |
| 09:20.08 | liable | dfd: be thankfull xorg-7 is even starting.. :) |
| 09:20.10 | Shadowcat | i.e. it might not be the driver nor xorg |
| 09:20.14 | Shadowcat | but rather a combination of the two |
| 09:20.21 | dfd | I see |
| 09:20.49 | dfd | apt-get install xorg=6.9.0 ? |
| 09:20.58 | Shadowcat | ya |
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| 09:23.10 | dfd | uhm.. apt-show-versions shows me only the 7.0.10... but I have testing repositories in my sources as well (and I updated..) |
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| 09:23.36 | marlun | I've got dynamic ip, is there an easy and free way to make my server available through some simple url? |
| 09:23.57 | resiak | dyndns.org! |
| 09:24.10 | disposable | xarragon, is it safe to assume you are running stable? was the error 'key' related? |
| 09:24.49 | Shadowcat | dfd: this is where you need to learn how to use aptitude properly (hint) |
| 09:25.13 | RolandU | hi all! is there a way to figure out what program does if it does not have a "verbose mode"? |
| 09:25.28 | Shadowcat | RolandU: read the program documentation |
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| 09:25.44 | xarragon | disposable: No, I'm runnign unstable (stupid of me to forget to mention), ran testing for quite a while, but the 'broken by default' got me repeatedly after a while, so I went up a notch. |
| 09:26.11 | kspath | RolandU: read the source? OR Are you asking what is it acting on? |
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| 09:26.22 | Shadowcat | xarragon: you do realize that being a newbie and running unstable isn't a good idea right? |
| 09:26.27 | disposable | xarragon, so you say you are a newbie, yet you run unstable??!!! |
| 09:26.39 | Shadowcat | and will make people not want to help you |
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| 09:26.57 | RolandU | kspath, just trying to find out which files are beeing modified by the program. |
| 09:27.12 | Shadowcat | RolandU: again, read the program documentation |
| 09:27.19 | kspath | RolandU: strace is a start but you might need fuser and lsof |
| 09:27.21 | xarragon | disposable: Well, perhaps 'newbie' was somewhat inaccurate, I've been running debian testing for about 2 years now, ran Slackware for 2 years prior to that. |
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| 09:27.43 | Shadowcat | xarragon: and what apt tools are you running exactly? |
| 09:27.49 | RolandU | Shadowcat, documentation is not very good. |
| 09:28.09 | kspath | RolandU: There are also change trackers that checksum all files or all files in various directories/partitions |
| 09:28.13 | Shadowcat | RolandU: then do what kspath suggested |
| 09:28.22 | Shadowcat | kspath: wow major debug mode there |
| 09:28.26 | xarragon | Shadowcat: CLI-based 'apt-get/cache'. On occasion, synaptic, for some browsing basically. |
| 09:28.37 | disposable | xarragon, 6years with debian but the thought of unstable on my box hasn't even crossed my mind yet :) |
| 09:28.51 | Shadowcat | xarragon: you're not skilled enough |
| 09:29.13 | Shadowcat | !tell xarragon about apt-listbugs |
| 09:29.36 | xarragon | I'm thinking of popping back down to stable, but I need to check what versions of the software that would get me... |
| 09:29.54 | kspath | xarragon: get on testing and unstable mailing lists and read them for a few months then consider the idea again? |
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| 09:30.14 | RolandU | oh no, 100.000 lines of output |
| 09:30.23 | dfd | Shadowcat, ehm.. to downgrade to version 6.9 I must remove *a lot* of packages, gnome and kde as well... what's wrong!? |
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| 09:30.42 | kspath | RolandU: have you considered less or more or other paging tools? |
| 09:30.42 | Shadowcat | you DO know how to use aptitude right? |
| 09:30.51 | dfd | no |
| 09:30.56 | Shadowcat | . . . |
| 09:30.56 | dfd | but I could try |
| 09:31.11 | Shadowcat | aptitude supports limited downgrading |
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| 09:31.15 | dfd | okay |
| 09:31.16 | dfd | thanks |
| 09:31.26 | Shadowcat | select a package and then just select among available versions |
| 09:31.33 | kspath | RolandU: You can also dump to files and view output later with vim or emacs or whatever your favorite editor is. |
| 09:31.33 | xarragon | Shadowcat: Thanks for the tip. |
| 09:31.40 | Shadowcat | you'll probably have to change every darn dependency manually |
| 09:31.47 | Shadowcat | but that's better than throwing out half your system |
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| 09:31.50 | RolandU | kspath, that's what I did |
| 09:32.21 | RolandU | but maybe anyone in here knows what alsaconf does exactly? I am trying to reproduce what it does because settings are not beeing saved permanently. |
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| 09:32.31 | kspath | RolandU: sound |
| 09:32.53 | kspath | RolandU: There is a man page and source? |
| 09:32.56 | xarragon | Okay, I'm not really in the mood to spend _alot_ of time maintaining my system, I'm basically busy doing development on it for most of the time. How much of a fuss it to run unstable? A upgraded because some friends in debian.se said it wasn't much of a hassle... |
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| 09:33.35 | disposable | Shadowcat, the swedish guys probably forked :) |
| 09:33.41 | phretor | hi |
| 09:34.17 | kspath | xarragon: if you do not mind some of your tools not working after an update it is fine and if you do not mind your X and other stuffs be screwed or your window manager being screwed or other |
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| 09:34.36 | RolandU | the man page does not say anything about this: *should* changes done by alsaconf be permanent? |
| 09:34.57 | disposable | xarragon, even with testing i get the suse kind of stability and curse the day i switched from stable |
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| 09:34.59 | jm_ | what settings? |
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| 09:35.06 | xarragon | kspath: Testing has broken a couple of times for me as well... |
| 09:35.14 | phretor | I still get my fsck.vfat running at boot - it's a new behavior after updating. What's that? |
| 09:35.45 | aeronadix | When I install Linux, and I have a root and regular account. I use the regular account to install software and only use the root account when I have to. But when I go ahead and create a new user, that user doesn't have all the same software available. Ex, I install wine, but the new user doesn't have a .wine directory |
| 09:35.46 | xarragon | So should I throw in the towel and run Ubuntu like most of my friends then? |
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| 09:36.07 | kspath | xarragon: That is your choice as people are want to say. |
| 09:36.12 | jm_ | aeronadix: so add it to skel |
| 09:36.30 | aeronadix | jm_: not sure what you mean? |
| 09:36.41 | kspath | xarragon: It is not as stable and Debian Sarge/Stable. |
| 09:36.44 | jm_ | aeronadix: ls -a /etc/skel |
| 09:36.59 | xarragon | kspath: Yes, I'm just asking if anyone else got any suggestion for a suitable distro. |
| 09:37.35 | RolandU | aeronadix, the .wine-directory only saves personal settings and will be created the first time the user runes wine |
| 09:37.40 | xarragon | A 'friend' is pimping gentoo, but I don't think my soul could bear to run that... |
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| 09:37.48 | kspath | xarragon: Suitable is in the mind/eye of the person observing/deciding/choosing and is VERY subjective. |
| 09:38.15 | aeronadix | RolandU, I see |
| 09:38.52 | aeronadix | RolandU, but when I run ares.exe I move into the wine directory and find it, then do wine ares.exe |
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| 09:38.58 | xarragon | Well, I don't really care about all the specifics. I just want something that updates more often than stable, but is not as unstable as sid or testing... |
| 09:39.17 | aeronadix | jm_, please explain. |
| 09:39.33 | jm_ | aeronadix: explain what? |
| 09:39.37 | xarragon | I've been thinking about going back to Slackware, but it's a real pain with all the building and maintainance of packages. |
| 09:39.40 | aeronadix | Is there a way to make a new user that is an exact clone of an existing user/ |
| 09:39.53 | aeronadix | jm_, what to do in /etc/skel? |
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| 09:40.18 | jm_ | aeronadix: useradd man page will tell you what's the idea with skel dir |
| 09:40.27 | Shadowcat | but I'm a cs student |
| 09:40.28 | aeronadix | jm_, cool |
| 09:40.35 | Shadowcat | I'm genetically programmed to like taking things apart |
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| 09:41.02 | kspath | Shadowcat: Fix my car. |
| 09:41.15 | cahoot | kspath: you want it in pieces? |
| 09:41.28 | disposable | aeronadix, just add him/her to the same groups in /etc/group and if you're that keen on wine create a shared .wine directory |
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| 09:41.44 | kspath | cahoot: Yes. |
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| 09:42.34 | aeronadix | disposable, how do I do that/ |
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| 09:42.45 | kspath | Shadowcat: Have you ever put things together again as of yet? |
| 09:42.52 | BartVB | Is there any way to kill a process that's stuck in a 'Ds' state except for a reboot? |
| 09:42.55 | Shadowcat | kspath: ya |
| 09:43.07 | cahoot | a mutation? |
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| 09:43.32 | kevinz | hello.. I get problem. I used partimage to make image of a partition and recreate the partition. the new partition is a bit smaller so partimage refuse to restore it. |
| 09:43.33 | kspath | BartVB: Kill that process parent process and pray it is not init at this point. |
| 09:43.43 | disposable | aeronadix, move your existing .wine directory to something like /home/shared and create symlinks from your users homedirectories. make sure it's world writable/executable |
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| 09:43.53 | BartVB | kspath; thanks. going to try that |
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| 09:44.01 | aeronadix | disposable, cool thanks |
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| 09:44.53 | disposable | aeronadix, that's at least what i did. but don't expect the menu icons to appear in all user's kdemenus/gnomemenus when you install something |
| 09:45.06 | madjestic | hi, I've downloaded Debian 64 Etch weekly build (april 10 2006), a complete CD set (14 CDs), and I am having problems running the installation CD. It can't install the base system from CD (sorry, I don't have that PC connected to Internet) - it sais that it doesn't find necessary installation components neither on CD, nor it can reach an ftp archive. Is there any way to it install from CD? Thanks. |
| 09:45.23 | Shadowcat | weekly build? |
| 09:45.26 | Shadowcat | are you insane? |
| 09:45.29 | kevinz | disposable: hi, any idea? I didn't know i should restore to a partition with exact size of the image file |
| 09:45.30 | Shadowcat | those aren't supposed to work |
| 09:45.42 | madjestic | really? |
| 09:45.53 | Shadowcat | they're development builds |
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| 09:46.07 | Shadowcat | which most of the time are horribly broken in one form or another |
| 09:46.11 | madjestic | so they are only to fetch new stuff from them? |
| 09:46.21 | disposable | kevinz, i'll do what you should. look into manual. hang on |
| 09:46.29 | aeronadix | thanks guys, c ya, take care |
| 09:47.10 | phretor | I miss the public key ID for my apt-key - where can I find the correct one? |
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| 09:47.23 | madjestic | so the only way I can make my Debian 64 system run is to download the unofficial debian 64 Sarge release (June 2005) and rebuild the kernel (if I need newer stuff)? |
| 09:47.33 | azeem | phretor: see the /topic |
| 09:47.54 | phretor | azeem: sorry, I got it shorten :-) |
| 09:47.56 | jm_ | madjestic: of course not |
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| 09:48.11 | Shadowcat | you could use an official non-weekly build of etch |
| 09:48.21 | Shadowcat | I'm sure there are a few working ones floating around somewhere |
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| 09:49.01 | cipo | during boot, ive got this msg: "find_free_number: %e is deprecated, will be removed" how do i remove this msg? im using etch |
| 09:49.12 | BartVB | kspath; bugger :( it has init as it's parent. I'm using the vserver patch and this process is running inside that vserver but I'm not sure if that help anything :\ |
| 09:49.20 | Shadowcat | cipo: leave it alone |
| 09:49.36 | cipo | oh ok |
| 09:49.42 | kspath | BartVB: Good luck. |
| 09:50.25 | BartVB | kspath; thanks :) |
| 09:50.41 | madjestic | Shadda hmm. I know that might be too much but I'd like to find out which release will install for sure (from CD), as I've already downloaded around 6-7Gigs... too much traffic. Is there some place where I could ask somebody whether certain build works fine or not? |
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| 09:50.56 | RolandU | in case I don't want to use alsaconf - how would I have to configure alsa. I have loaded kernel-modules for my soundcard, did alsa reload and alsa-utils restart - what else? |
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| 09:51.10 | Shadowcat | madjestic: go ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 09:51.10 | peoro | hi... |
| 09:51.12 | madjestic | Shadowcat sorry, I mistyped your nick |
| 09:51.18 | madjestic | thanks |
| 09:51.18 | kspath | madjestic: Have you considered joining mailinglists also? |
| 09:51.19 | disposable | kevinz, it doesn't have to be exact size. there only needs to be enough space. http://www.partimage.org/doc/index-3.html |
| 09:51.39 | madjestic | kspath probably I should do that |
| 09:51.46 | BartVB | is there a way to figure out why a process is blocked on IO? |
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| 09:52.06 | kspath | BartVB: study |
| 09:52.25 | BartVB | study? |
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| 09:52.33 | cahoot | RolandU: in that case read and follow the instructions for your card on alsas page |
| 09:52.39 | kspath | BartVB: research |
| 09:52.42 | xarragon | I think a up/down-grade to stable is due for my part. Thanks for your help, guys. |
| 09:52.55 | user_ | I created a new user, and I can't play dvd's |
| 09:53.01 | BartVB | :) there isn't something like 'lsof' that I could use? |
| 09:53.27 | jm_ | BartVB: it will most likely block if you run it on that PID |
| 09:53.32 | kspath | BartVB: there is fuser and lsof and vmstat and ... but do you know them and what they tell you? |
| 09:53.50 | peoro | yesterday I updated my debian sid... I saw some x packages become removed and other ones installed and updated... I thought it was updating my xorg to a new version... Instead it has removed xorg and installed xserver -_- I tryed to fix all reinstalling xorg... but opengl doesn't work... what should i do? |
| 09:54.37 | peoro | i've a matrox card which uses mesa drivers |
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| 09:54.49 | BartVB | I know them but from past experience they didn't provide much useful info with blocked processes :\ As jm said; they block too :) |
| 09:54.58 | disposable | user_: add him to the necessary groups |
| 09:55.08 | BartVB | hmm, looks like something timed out :) Process is gone now. Thanks for the help |
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| 09:55.31 | kspath | BartVB: perhaps strace and source code would help you. |
| 09:55.32 | user_ | disposable, I'm not sure how to do that. I need audio, so useradd user audio, but what else is there, what other groups/ |
| 09:55.44 | kevinz | disposable: that's weird. The new and old partitions only differs with 0.01GB. And previously the partition is not full. |
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| 09:55.53 | BartVB | oh, darn. Not gone, I was in the wrong security context. *sigh* |
| 09:56.15 | user_ | disposable, sorry useradd user audio |
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| 09:56.48 | disposable | user_: "cat /etc/group | grep your_original_username" |
| 09:56.58 | petemc | useless use of cat |
| 09:57.07 | disposable | user_, and you'll see what groups |
| 09:57.21 | user_ | disposable, you freaking rule, thanks |
| 09:57.37 | disposable | user_, np |
| 09:57.44 | kevinz | disposable: oh i read this from the html page: The partition to restore must have the same size as the saved partition. |
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| 09:58.24 | disposable | kevinz, that's stupid... stupid and impossible. i didn't have same partitions. |
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| 09:59.10 | kspath | disposable: petemc was trying to tell you that grep "your_original_username" /etc/group would work |
| 09:59.23 | kevinz | disposable: omg, i have the partition but cannot restore now, faint |
| 09:59.32 | kevinz | i have partition and images, i mean |
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| 10:00.09 | disposable | kspath, let the newbie learn some piping :) |
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| 10:00.32 | kevinz | disposable: well any nice solution, other than shrink some other partition and made this one bigger... |
| 10:00.35 | kspath | disposable: petemc was trying to tell you that grep "your_original_username" /etc/group | less would work. |
| 10:01.16 | disposable | petemc, let the newbie learn some piping :) |
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| 10:01.23 | kspath | :- |
| 10:01.28 | bowser | Hi all. |
| 10:01.28 | kspath | :-) |
| 10:01.30 | jaaroo | oops, i've somehow built very bad package which corrupted dpkg system in the following way: package can't be installed nor uninstalled as it tells: |
| 10:01.30 | jaaroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.30 | jaaroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:02.05 | disposable | kevinz, don't faint. there are always more ways of doing something |
| 10:02.17 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:02.52 | cryndes | user_: ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom ? |
| 10:03.01 | XSoul | hello team . I have two problem with debian sid |
| 10:03.07 | user_ | cryndes, yeah, that what I tried first, same thing |
| 10:03.15 | XSoul | the new xorg want to remove nvidia legacy driver |
| 10:03.23 | cryndes | user_: then the file exists? ! ;) |
| 10:03.25 | XSoul | how I can use nvidia glx for old nvidia chips ? |
| 10:03.34 | kevinz | disposable: yes. I think i have to find a way to make the new partition bigger.. |
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| 10:03.59 | resiak | LVM! |
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| 10:04.12 | kspath | user_: ls /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd |
| 10:04.20 | jaaroo | my question is: how can I remove such a package? Can I build some dummy package not containing anything which could possibly override the bad package? |
| 10:04.36 | kspath | user_: ls -l /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd |
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| 10:04.59 | user_ | kspath, I have both, so its must be config problem with xine or something |
| 10:05.12 | disposable | kevinz, no, it says: it it is bigger, space can be lost. Read FAQ about that. |
| 10:05.14 | user_ | theres no problem for previous user, just this new one |
| 10:05.39 | Xptical | has anyone here seen "the perfect setup" articles on howtoforge? |
| 10:05.41 | disposable | kevinz, why do you give up so easily. now you have the right adrenaline level. the fun begins. start hacking :) |
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| 10:05.47 | benluo | hi |
| 10:05.47 | liable | hrm, xorg7 was fun... |
| 10:05.51 | user_ | when I am logged into X with user1, can I open a terminal and log in as user2? |
| 10:05.53 | kspath | user_ is one a symbolic link to the other? |
| 10:06.00 | kspath | user_ permissions? |
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| 10:06.09 | user_ | kspath, I remember doing that, but I am not sure |
| 10:06.11 | kevinz | disposable: yes I read it.. hah... yes i would rather make it bigger because smaller partition can't be restored |
| 10:06.17 | liable | user_: you can su to another user |
| 10:06.31 | kspath | user_: you can open a shell and us the su command if you need it. man su |
| 10:06.37 | kevinz | disposable: it reads "You can't restore to a smaller partition (you will have an error), but it's possible to restore to a lager one." |
| 10:06.50 | user_ | Oh crap, I need to create a sym link from dvd and cdrom to /dev/hdc not to each other!!! |
| 10:06.54 | XSoul | <liable> : how you keep the nvidia drivers with new xorg (if you use nvidia) ? |
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| 10:07.05 | disposable | kevinz, you don't understand. restore it to a partition which is bigger, copy it to the needed partition and reformat the partition you copied it from. |
| 10:07.27 | liable | XSoul: i couldnt even get xorg7 to work. period. |
| 10:07.37 | kevinz | disposable: oooh, that's nice :D |
| 10:07.37 | jm_ | hehe |
| 10:07.38 | xored | after i exported a dump through phpmyadmin, i cannot importz trough the shell correctly. He is just scratching all of the german "ä", like its the wrong charset. If i import through phpmyadmin, it works. How can i solve this ? |
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| 10:08.01 | disposable | kevinz, that's logic spock :) |
| 10:08.04 | XSoul | <liable> you mean that not make the upgrade ? |
| 10:08.10 | fireba11 | xored: give the right encoding options when importing |
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| 10:08.37 | user_ | I don't have permission to open /dev/hdc for some reason. But I did adduser user cdrom |
| 10:08.37 | bludub | buongiorno |
| 10:08.45 | liable | XSoul: um, i am leaving it a day or two, i cant find any info on the problem i was having |
| 10:08.48 | bludub | good morning |
| 10:08.53 | disposable | kevinz, but i don't remember running into this problem even though i've used partimage before. strange. |
| 10:08.59 | kevinz | disposable: hah.. but i only have enough space on ext3 on which my linux is running on.. |
| 10:09.08 | jm_ | user_: you need to use sg/newgrp or logout/login |
| 10:09.23 | phretor | what's the fastest way for deleting the *entire* KDE subsystem and all related stuff? |
| 10:09.35 | jm_ | !tell phretor about remove kde |
| 10:09.37 | user_ | jm_, I logout and back in cause I don't what is sg/newgrp |
| 10:09.38 | kevinz | disposable: am i supposed to use an live cd to resize? |
| 10:09.46 | jm_ | user_: man sg |
| 10:09.48 | XSoul | <liable> maybe I must wait too ;> .. the new xorg want to remove my old nvidia driver for first pc and the nvidia-glx for second one |
| 10:09.51 | kspath | phretor: degaussing the HD. |
| 10:09.52 | disposable | kevinz, either that or play with loopback files |
| 10:10.00 | bludub | sorry i have a problem with the streaming some could help me? |
| 10:10.01 | user_ | jm_, k, thanks |
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| 10:10.37 | disposable | bludub, your question in it's current form is utterly useless. supply details and ask. |
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| 10:11.02 | disposable | bludub, s/supply/provide |
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| 10:12.05 | bludub | I cant see any iptv with firefox, I installed vlc plugins but I only see (no picture), |
| 10:12.09 | phretor | jm_: and what about related stuff? |
| 10:12.16 | jm_ | phretor: what related stuff? |
| 10:12.52 | phretor | jm_: stuff that depends on kde |
| 10:13.04 | phretor | they haven't been removed |
| 10:13.42 | jm_ | phretor: wrong, if kdelibs go, so does everything else, that's what dependencies are there for, aftaer all |
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| 10:13.51 | liable | grr, no i cant get into vt1 |
| 10:14.04 | phretor | jm_: I still have startkde command... |
| 10:14.16 | jm_ | phretor: what did you remove? |
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| 10:14.39 | bowser | I got a problem with the pidentd package on a really old machine. ikeygen reports an "invalid machine command". Any Ideas how I could fix this? |
| 10:15.18 | phretor | jm_: apt-get --purge remove kdelibs |
| 10:15.34 | jm_ | phretor: verify if there's something else with kde and libs in the name and remove that |
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| 10:16.09 | Shin-Chan | hello... i'm new to debian/linux, currently have knoppix installed on my stupid laptop >_< need help on removing it and installing debian instead |
| 10:16.26 | jm_ | and removing kdelibs-bin should also help |
| 10:16.42 | liable | Shin-Chan: easy, put the debian install cd in and install over knoppix |
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| 10:17.12 | Shin-Chan | i dont have to format or anything to remove knoppix? sorry for the question but i'm new to linux haha |
| 10:17.29 | Shin-Chan | i downloaded an netinstall version of debian btw |
| 10:17.36 | phretor | jm_: there was kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data |
| 10:17.40 | jm_ | the installer will do that for you |
| 10:17.48 | jm_ | phretor: yeah try removing that |
| 10:17.50 | Shin-Chan | thanks |
| 10:18.06 | Shin-Chan | i'll be back in a while after the installation thing :) dinner time |
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| 10:18.25 | phretor | jm_: it works pretty fine - please update what dpkg says about remove kde |
| 10:18.33 | jm_ | phretor: why me? |
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| 10:18.51 | phretor | jm_: :-) it was for who is in charge, sorry |
| 10:19.04 | phretor | who is in charge of update dpkg replies? |
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| 10:19.40 | bowser | I got a problem with the pidentd package on a really old machine. ikeygen reports an "invalid machine command". Any Ideas how I could fix this? |
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| 10:19.57 | r_marvin | what's the equivalent of dpkg -S for rpm? |
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| 10:20.09 | jm_ | man rpm |
| 10:20.35 | r_marvin | i'm lookin at it right now, thanks anyway |
| 10:20.42 | phretor | is there a way to strip out other stuff than the package name from dpkg -l output? |
| 10:21.10 | jm_ | right, it's listead near the top of query options in man page |
| 10:21.20 | liable | is there actually a known work around for the SecurityPolicy file in xorg7? |
| 10:21.22 | r_marvin | lol |
| 10:21.59 | phretor | maybe with awk or something, any suggestion? |
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| 10:22.37 | r_marvin | -qif , thanks |
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| 10:23.02 | r_marvin | phretor: try dpkg --get-selections, maybe it's more suitable |
| 10:23.25 | faber2 | hi everbody |
| 10:25.22 | phretor | ok, I found http://julipedia.blogspot.com/2005/09/cleaning-up-debian-box.html |
| 10:25.44 | phretor | that dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{ print $2; }' was what I was looking for |
| 10:26.24 | fireba11 | exim4: if i want to add another domain to accept mail or i should add it to dc_other_hostnames in update-exim4.conf.conf right ? how do i seperate the names in that setting ? found no info about it |
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| 10:28.35 | bundar | phretor: how is that command different from 'dpkg --purge -a' |
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| 10:30.03 | RolandU_ | if I have two sound-devices is there a way to switch the device numbers? all my programs are configured to use soundcard-0, however the card I want is now #1 |
| 10:30.42 | jm_ | you can set default device |
| 10:30.42 | sugoruyo | hi all |
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| 10:31.03 | RolandU_ | jm_, you mean in alsa or in every program? |
| 10:31.03 | sugoruyo | i need some helping getting debian to start up on my laptop... |
| 10:31.08 | xored | fireba11: how to do that ? i have |
| 10:31.08 | jm_ | RolandU_: ALSA |
| 10:31.42 | xored | fireba11: deb-reconfigre locales is on en_utf8 ( thats what i choose, when i import in phpmyadmin) |
| 10:32.04 | RolandU_ | jm_, that's great - do you also know where? |
| 10:32.08 | fireba11 | xored: when importing you can add options for charset |
| 10:32.17 | jm_ | RolandU_: it's in ALSA FAQ |
| 10:32.42 | sugoruyo | can someone tell me how to tell debian to boot without PCMCIA? |
| 10:32.50 | xored | fireba11: wow, how ? i cannot see it in the man, i looked there before |
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| 10:33.35 | xored | fireba11: sorry, i cannot find it in the man |
| 10:33.38 | fireba11 | xored: i never needed to do so .. but a friend had that problem ... mr3dblond in #lug-bamberg |
| 10:33.44 | fireba11 | ask him |
| 10:33.48 | faber2 | how well does debian work on AMD Opteron 64 in 64 bit mode? is the distrubution all in 64bit? |
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| 10:34.19 | azeem | faber2: yes |
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| 10:35.24 | r_marvin | faber2: there are some binary-only stuff that are not ported yet, like flash, or sun's java(iirc), that need a 32bit chroot |
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| 10:35.29 | bowser | No solutions for my ikeygen problem? |
| 10:35.30 | faber2 | azeem: can i start that install with a standard netinst iso ? |
| 10:35.42 | brisling | hi where can i add a secondary dns server to my network configuration? |
| 10:35.54 | azeem | faber2: well, the amd64 netinst iso |
| 10:36.01 | bundar | brisling: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:36.11 | brisling | thx |
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| 10:36.55 | faber2 | azeem: cool |
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| 10:37.50 | sugoruyo | so can someone help me boot debian without PCMCIA |
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| 10:38.09 | faber2 | azeem: where is it. i can only find [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] |
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| 10:39.52 | azeem | faber2: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:40.14 | faber2 | azeem: ah thanks. i just found |
| 10:40.16 | faber2 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 10:40.24 | faber2 | is that also cool or not? |
| 10:40.26 | bundar | sugoruyo: perhaps pcmcia=off |
| 10:40.48 | sugoruyo | where? |
| 10:40.58 | bundar | sugoruyo: kernel command line |
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| 10:41.10 | sugoruyo | i'm relatively new :P |
| 10:41.26 | sugoruyo | i'm not sure what you mean by kernel command line |
| 10:41.51 | bundar | sugoruyo: when you boot the installation CD there is a command prompt. There type F1 for some help. |
| 10:42.11 | sugoruyo | i have booted and installed |
| 10:42.16 | sugoruyo | without PCMCIA |
| 10:42.20 | azeem | faber2: it's the testing ISO |
| 10:42.30 | azeem | faber2: is this going to be a server or what? |
| 10:42.35 | bundar | sugoruyo: then what do you want do do with pcmcia? |
| 10:42.39 | sugoruyo | but now the install starts up and freezes up on PCMCIA services |
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| 10:42.56 | faber2 | azeem: yepp, server |
| 10:43.03 | sugoruyo | i want to tell the installed system to boot without PCMCIA |
| 10:43.12 | peppo | is anyone else having weird issues with Xorg 7.0 and the proprietary nvidia drivers? I can't get it to load the nvidia module (which is in fact loaded as a kernel module). |
| 10:43.16 | azeem | faber2: then I suggest installing stable |
| 10:43.31 | sugoruyo | when i fire up the vaio grub pops up i choose debian 2.6 kernel |
| 10:43.42 | sugoruyo | then it starts spewing out the messages |
| 10:43.43 | faber2 | azeem: testing is fine. i wouldnt use unstable, though |
| 10:43.50 | sugoruyo | and stops |
| 10:43.54 | azeem | faber2: eh, if you think so |
| 10:44.06 | sugoruyo | where it says |
| 10:44.10 | faber2 | azeem: so your link was for the stable, yes? i always get confused with "sarge" "etch" and "whatever" |
| 10:44.14 | azeem | yes |
| 10:44.16 | bundar | sugoruyo: When grub pops up it allows you to edit the command line with an |
| 10:44.40 | sugoruyo | yes i want to know what to tell grub to do |
| 10:44.45 | sugoruyo | and where |
| 10:44.52 | faber2 | azeem: thx! |
| 10:44.52 | phretor | module-assistant is the best tool, ever! :-D |
| 10:45.01 | bundar | sugoruyo: sorry. continuing ... grub allows you to edit the command line with an e. At this point you append "pcmcia=off" to the command line. |
| 10:45.15 | sugoruyo | which line |
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| 10:45.27 | sugoruyo | the one that specifies the kernel? |
| 10:45.33 | bundar | sugoruyo: the line that starts "kernel /boot/vml...." |
| 10:45.58 | sugoruyo | ok i'm trying it |
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| 10:46.24 | sugoruyo | is anyone else using debian on a centrino laptop?\ |
| 10:46.45 | sugoruyo | so now my line reads |
| 10:47.11 | atsi | hi i am running sarge and i would like to ask how to get all the updates manually in a folder and then to install them from the folder. anyideas? |
| 10:47.18 | sugoruyo | kernel /boot/vmlinuz.... root=/dev/hdxx pcmcia=off ro |
| 10:47.26 | sugoruyo | that should it? |
| 10:47.39 | bundar | sugoruyo: looks ok. |
| 10:48.07 | sugoruyo | i'm hitting 'b' |
| 10:48.35 | bundar | atsi: don't know about folders. |
| 10:48.43 | bizkit | is there an easy way to encrypt and decrypt rot13? any commandline tool? |
| 10:48.47 | sugoruyo | it didnt start up however |
| 10:49.02 | atsi | bundar, ok in a directory or whatever storage media. |
| 10:49.07 | bundar | sugoruyo: "didnt start" == ? |
| 10:49.28 | eleftherios | how do we boot with pcmcia disabled? |
| 10:49.32 | bundar | atsi: apt-get -d upgrade will download all updates to /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 10:49.46 | sugoruyo | it still freezes up |
| 10:49.57 | sugoruyo | it says its starting PCMCIA services |
| 10:50.01 | sugoruyo | cardmgr etc |
| 10:50.07 | sugoruyo | then it says |
| 10:50.13 | jm_ | bizkit: yes |
| 10:50.13 | bundar | sugoruyo, eleftherios both of you seem to have the same problem! |
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| 10:50.22 | atsi | bundar, the thing is that i do not have net connection to the sarge machine. i will get the update from the office machine which runs windows |
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| 10:50.32 | eleftherios | bundar, I was asking in order to tell him |
| 10:50.36 | sugoruyo | cs: IO port probe <some hex> : excluding <some hex> |
| 10:50.46 | eleftherios | bundar, I didn't notice he was already in the channel asking |
| 10:50.48 | eleftherios | bundar, :-) |
| 10:50.58 | sugoruyo | then another line with a different hex address |
| 10:51.07 | bundar | atsi: in that case you need "apt-get -d --print-uris update" get the output to a file. |
| 10:51.08 | sugoruyo | and it freezes up |
| 10:51.10 | Backz | will sarge install disk 'know' that I'm using a SATA HD? |
| 10:51.23 | yang | is this module enabled in etch kernels ? - Universal TUN/TAP device driver support // This option must be enabled |
| 10:51.24 | jm_ | Backz: sure, if it supports your SATA controller |
| 10:51.38 | liable | Backz: depends if the controller is supported in the sarge kernel |
| 10:52.33 | sugoruyo | i cant seem to get it to work |
| 10:52.47 | sugoruyo | i've tried variations of this parameter but... |
| 10:53.00 | bundar | sugoruyo: can you boot with 2.4? |
| 10:53.06 | Backz | hum, ok. It is a ASUS Motherboard, with SATA controller built-in. |
| 10:53.24 | sugoruyo | grub only gives me 2.6 |
| 10:53.35 | atsi | bundar, could u be a bit more specific? |
| 10:53.38 | sugoruyo | but on a vaio 7 months old would 2.4 be a wise choice |
| 10:53.40 | sugoruyo | ??? |
| 10:53.43 | bundar | sugoruyo: maybe the install disk has 2.4. |
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| 10:54.10 | sugoruyo | i booted the installer with linux26 hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false |
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| 10:54.39 | bundar | atsi: the command "apt-get -d --print-uris update > file_of_uris" will write "file_of_uris" |
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| 10:55.14 | atsi | bundar, and then? |
| 10:55.16 | coax | is it possible to purge a package that is'nt installed?? |
| 10:55.26 | sugoruyo | my kernel is 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:55.28 | tarzeau | is there no tool to make sure /dev/cdrom points to a cdrom device? |
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| 10:55.35 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 10:55.38 | tarzeau | coax: yes |
| 10:55.54 | tarzeau | coax: using dpkg? to remove config files only? |
| 10:55.58 | lgd_ | someone how to sphinx? |
| 10:56.02 | atsi | bundar, and then do what with that file? |
| 10:56.06 | tarzeau | !sphinx |
| 10:56.08 | Backz | liable, it is a P4P800-X ASUS Motherboard... |
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| 10:56.34 | lgd_ | i find how to but i don't find |
| 10:56.49 | bundar | atsi: that file contains a list of urls to be downloaded from your net-connected machine |
| 10:56.52 | tarzeau | lgd_: what is it? |
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| 10:57.14 | bundar | atsi: if you want an easier tool try apt-zip but I haven't used it in a while. |
| 10:57.16 | lgd_ | is speech recognition system |
| 10:57.17 | liable | Backz: well, you need to find the controller chipset and google if it works with 2.6.8 kernel |
| 10:57.19 | lgd_ | for linux |
| 10:57.31 | lgd_ | like dragon speaking naturally for win |
| 10:57.42 | liable | why isnt X.md5sum making xorg install happy? |
| 10:57.53 | atsi | bundar, ok, once downloaded the files then i have to edit the sources list to include the folder with the updates? |
| 10:57.54 | lgd_ | is very cool |
| 10:57.55 | tarzeau | lgd_: url? |
| 10:57.59 | tarzeau | lgd_: is free software? |
| 10:58.18 | lgd_ | http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/html/cmusphinx.php |
| 10:58.20 | bundar | sugoruyo[A]: boot the installation CD with the same options but in rescure mode and edit /etc/default/pcmcia on the installation. |
| 10:58.23 | lgd_ | yes free |
| 10:59.08 | coax | thanks tarzeau |
| 10:59.17 | bundar | atsi: once the files are downloaded put those files in /var/cache/apt/archives and they will be used when you run "apt-get update" |
| 10:59.29 | peppo | how can I downgrade Xorg? |
| 10:59.33 | bundar | atsi: as I said earlier. have a look at apt-zip. |
| 10:59.36 | tarzeau | lgd_: you want to make debian packages? |
| 10:59.37 | peppo | everything has broken now that I upgraded |
| 10:59.46 | peppo | X keyboard layout (even though I installed xkb-data) and X drivers. |
| 11:00.07 | sugoruyo | bundar, what do i do with that? |
| 11:00.08 | peppo | I will have to regress to older packages. |
| 11:00.19 | lgd_ | ubuntu |
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| 11:00.21 | peppo | how do I fetch stuff from a mirror's older snapshot ? |
| 11:00.40 | lgd_ | for ubuntu is sphinx2 not 3 |
| 11:00.43 | atsi | bundar, thanks a lot |
| 11:00.44 | lgd_ | i has download 3 and compiled |
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| 11:00.54 | tarzeau | lgd_: and it's great? |
| 11:01.11 | lgd_ | i have got sphinx installed but i don't know use |
| 11:01.14 | tarzeau | lgd_: what it only does speech recognition are also does it read/talk? |
| 11:01.17 | bizkit | jm_: rotix did the jobs, thanks.. |
| 11:01.26 | tarzeau | lgd_: check the homepage and manual. it is not available in debian |
| 11:01.38 | lgd_ | not in deb O_O |
| 11:01.40 | tarzeau | oh wait version 2 is at least |
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| 11:02.01 | tarzeau | lgd_: there's sphinx2-bin in debian |
| 11:02.16 | lgd_ | =( |
| 11:02.29 | lgd_ | but i has compiled versione 3 |
| 11:02.51 | wdamn | Hi, a live cd with latex? |
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| 11:03.08 | tarzeau | wdamn: yes. but that's offtopic here |
| 11:03.17 | tarzeau | wdamn: debian ships no live cds |
| 11:03.30 | wdamn | tarzeau: ok |
| 11:03.37 | wdamn | tarzeau: sorry |
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| 11:06.02 | peppo | does anyone know to downgrade to a _date-specified_ snapshot of debian mirrors? |
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| 11:06.37 | tarzeau | peppo: no |
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| 11:06.51 | peppo | must it be done manually then? |
| 11:06.54 | tarzeau | peppo: sid? |
| 11:07.00 | peppo | Xorg 7 broke my multimonitor setup |
| 11:07.05 | tarzeau | peppo: just don't upgrade so often, next time |
| 11:07.10 | tarzeau | peppo: no you broke it |
| 11:07.14 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 11:07.14 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 11:07.23 | peppo | of course |
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| 11:07.29 | peppo | but that won't benefit me right now |
| 11:07.32 | tarzeau | peppo: xorg 7 just exists. and you broke your configuration by getting it |
| 11:07.34 | peppo | saying that. |
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| 11:07.51 | peppo | I would like to get things working so I can get on with things. |
| 11:08.01 | tarzeau | peppo: did you read the sid faq? |
| 11:08.13 | tarzeau | peppo: how long have you been using sid? |
| 11:08.20 | peppo | tarzeau: I've been using unstable for 4 years |
| 11:08.21 | tarzeau | peppo: was there a reason you got xorg7? (i doubt) |
| 11:08.27 | tarzeau | peppo: did it break the first time now? |
| 11:08.42 | peppo | nah, but most problems have been far less severe |
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| 11:08.47 | sugoruyo | can i go to rescue mode from the install dvd? |
| 11:08.58 | tarzeau | sugoruyo: debian rescue modes suck |
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| 11:09.05 | tarzeau | sugoruyo: what do you need to get fixed? |
| 11:09.27 | peppo | tarzeau: I just came here to see if anyone else was having the same problem. |
| 11:09.33 | peppo | tarzeau: and if we could resolve it together. |
| 11:09.40 | tarzeau | peppo: ah ok |
| 11:09.43 | peppo | but if you feel that's wrong... |
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| 11:09.49 | sugoruyo | someone told me to go into rescue mode |
| 11:09.54 | sugoruyo | in order to disable |
| 11:09.54 | tarzeau | peppo: yes many other people have had problems with xorg7 |
| 11:09.58 | sugoruyo | the pcmcia |
| 11:10.03 | sugoruyo | at boot |
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| 11:10.09 | peppo | tarzeau: I came here because I thought this'd be a collection of people who might have similar setups and issues. oh well. |
| 11:10.18 | tarzeau | peppo: no it's fine. i don't feel it's wrong. |
| 11:10.31 | tarzeau | but the sid faq exists for a reason |
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| 11:10.43 | peppo | and saying "I broke my setup" isn't as useful as saying "(I upgraded to Xorg 7, so) things are broken". |
| 11:11.05 | tarzeau | peppo: the main issue is you can't really downgrade |
| 11:11.18 | tarzeau | peppo: thus it's really important people don't just blindly upgrade |
| 11:11.28 | peppo | that's true. |
| 11:11.36 | peppo | now I'm in this situation though. |
| 11:11.42 | tarzeau | true. i'm glad i'm not |
| 11:12.05 | peppo | and I've checked both #nvidia and #xorg but there's hardly any non-idle people there |
| 11:12.10 | tarzeau | and BTS? |
| 11:12.19 | peppo | I wouldn't know what to check |
| 11:12.31 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 11:12.31 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 11:12.39 | tarzeau | peppo: if there's reports with same problem like you there |
| 11:12.47 | peppo | I know the bts, but I don't know what component is failing |
| 11:13.11 | peppo | let's see xserver-xorg |
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| 11:13.38 | sugoruyo | i'm having big problems booting debian on my vaio :( |
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| 11:15.09 | peppo | nothing |
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| 11:15.32 | kaeso | sugoruyo: such as? |
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| 11:16.08 | sugoruyo | pcmcia |
| 11:16.11 | xomhau | hi |
| 11:16.19 | sugoruyo | after running the installer it reboots |
| 11:16.29 | sugoruyo | to go into the phase where it installs packages |
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| 11:16.46 | sugoruyo | and hell freezes over when it probes pcmcia |
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| 11:17.34 | atsi | hi |
| 11:17.47 | atsi | is there any repository to fetch xdvdshrink? |
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| 11:21.21 | Shin-Chan | i've burnt a cd for the netinstall |
| 11:21.57 | Shin-Chan | but now it says "there was a problem reading data from the CDROM. please make sure it is in the drive bla bla bla" |
| 11:21.58 | Shin-Chan | omg |
| 11:23.06 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: might be because there in fact is something wrong with the CD... check md5sum |
| 11:23.13 | Shin-Chan | the failed step was "Load installer component from CD" |
| 11:23.30 | Shin-Chan | i'm new to all these >_< what's md5sum |
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| 11:24.25 | Tebb | after install apache2 with apt the httpd.conf in /etc/apache2 was emtpy .. any idea ? |
| 11:24.28 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: it's a number calculated from all the data in a file (fx an iso file, or a cdrom) to verify that not a single bit has changes due to some error. |
| 11:25.02 | clif4d | Tebb: it is suppose to be empty, the conf is in apache2.conf |
| 11:25.26 | Shin-Chan | so how should i check the md5sum ? |
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| 11:26.00 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: where did you burn the CD? Windows/Debian/something else? |
| 11:26.16 | Tebb | oh ^^ .. thx ! |
| 11:26.22 | Shin-Chan | i burnt it in my desktop windows xp |
| 11:26.33 | Shin-Chan | trying to install debian onto my laptop |
| 11:26.52 | renewbie | while compiling apache on deb 3.1r1 I am getting an error "mod_mem_cache.c:753: undefined reference to `ap_cache_cacheable_hdrs_out'" |
| 11:27.04 | renewbie | I do not get this in FC3 |
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| 11:27.18 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: okay, get md5summer (ask google where to get it) |
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| 11:27.28 | renewbie | is there any specific linking I have to do manually? |
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| 11:28.06 | Shin-Chan | i did the cd rom integrity test |
| 11:28.34 | Shin-Chan | it failed and says blablabla file failed the md5 checksum verification |
| 11:28.34 | renewbie | anyone have any idea about how to resolve this? |
| 11:29.27 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: then you've got a useless CD-R :) check the iso file and see if the error happened during downloading |
| 11:29.53 | Shin-Chan | so i should redownload and burn to another disc ? oh god |
| 11:30.04 | avtobiff | renewbie, why not install the debian package? |
| 11:30.09 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: you should first check the iso file, and see if that's the problem |
| 11:30.23 | streuner | What do you use for a webcam? (Logitech) |
| 11:31.00 | avtobiff | streuner, apt-cache search webcam |
| 11:31.19 | avtobiff | there are an upload of programs |
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| 11:32.00 | dfd | hello |
| 11:32.10 | avtobiff | hi |
| 11:32.41 | clif4d | when I run ifconfig, it shows a bogus IP address, I can ping the IP from localhost, but not from another box on my network. I configured the IP address staticly in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:33.00 | renewbie | avtobiff: I want to emulate the same env I have on my server.. |
| 11:33.41 | avtobiff | clif4d, run ifconfig manually and test if that works |
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| 11:33.58 | avtobiff | renewbie, and debian packages will stop you from doing that how? |
| 11:34.22 | fireba11 | clif4d: if you got a syntax error in ifconfig it#s likely the whole config file is ignored |
| 11:34.31 | clif4d | avtobiff: it seems that I can assing correct IP's to another NIC when I manually run ifconfig |
| 11:35.00 | clif4d | fireba11: but the IP that I configured in interfaces is "pingable" from another host on my network |
| 11:35.01 | Shin-Chan | clif4d the setup works now |
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| 11:35.20 | Shin-Chan | it prompts me for partition disks...which one should i do ? |
| 11:35.28 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: great, any idea what went wrong then? |
| 11:35.49 | Shin-Chan | hmm not sure.. as it worked well after a reboot |
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| 11:36.29 | tiny | Is it possible to make Software RAID1 on a live system? I have 2 disks in the machine. System runs from hda, hdb is identical and would server as second disc in array. Goal is Software RAID1 with redundand booting. Partition ID of hda1 is 0x83. |
| 11:36.29 | fireba11 | clif4d: ? |
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| 11:36.54 | fireba11 | tiny: yes, thats possible ..of course you need to boot at least once |
| 11:37.25 | Shin-Chan | so which partition type should i use ? i'm installing on a laptop |
| 11:37.26 | clif4d | fireba11: I configured 172.31.1.157 in interfaces, and that is reachable from another host, but when I run ifconfig, it shows that 169.254.180.88 is configured on the NIC |
| 11:37.28 | tiny | fireba11: even if partition ID is not 0xfd (Linux raid autodetect) |
| 11:37.42 | fireba11 | tiny: doesn't matter |
| 11:37.55 | fireba11 | tiny: its a lot easier to do on install though |
| 11:38.21 | fireba11 | clif4d: maybe another box is using the IP already ? |
| 11:38.23 | tiny | fireba11: yes I'm aware but this system kinda needs to run |
| 11:39.00 | tiny | fireba11: have you already done this? Do you know of any docs that explain this? |
| 11:39.22 | clif4d | fireba11: I don't think so, since if I connect to fx 172.31.1.157:22 from another host, I can login using ssh. |
| 11:39.45 | Shin-Chan | err what kind of partition should i use? @@ |
| 11:39.48 | fireba11 | tiny it's basically create a raid 1 on disk2 with only one disk .. copying everything over, fixing boot, reboot from raid, and put disk1 into the raid |
| 11:40.22 | clif4d | tiny: there are some pretty good howto's on how to do that, migrate a system from single disk to raid |
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| 11:40.30 | fireba11 | clif4d http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html may help .. but i suggest you douplicate your setup on a testing box and try first |
| 11:40.33 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: what options do you have |
| 11:40.45 | Shin-Chan | All files in one partition , Desktop Machine or Multi-user workstation ? |
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| 11:41.12 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: are you dual booting windows/debian on the laptop, or does it have all the hdd for linux? |
| 11:41.13 | tiny | clif4d, fireba11 : thank you. I'll check those docs |
| 11:41.27 | fireba11 | whops, messed up names ^ |
| 11:41.35 | Shin-Chan | my hdd is currently un-occupied |
| 11:41.46 | Shin-Chan | just trying to learn how to use this debian |
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| 11:42.51 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: okay, well the easiest is to just go for a single partition with another swap partition, but if you wanna reinstall often, it might be a good idea to put /home on a seperat partition |
| 11:43.18 | Shin-Chan | hmm so i go for Desktop machine ? |
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| 11:43.56 | LebraWurschD | hello |
| 11:44.01 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: I'm not sure what Desktop machine covers, since I usualy do the partitioning manually, but it sounds like a good choice ;) |
| 11:44.43 | Halitherses | which kernel option gives me ppdev support? |
| 11:45.04 | Halitherses | !pdev |
| 11:45.08 | Halitherses | !ppdev |
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| 11:46.50 | Halitherses | found it |
| 11:46.53 | Halitherses | nevermind |
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| 11:46.59 | Halitherses | userspace |
| 11:47.07 | Halitherses | devices |
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| 11:47.15 | Shin-Chan | i should have one swap and one ext3 for /home ? |
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| 11:48.27 | LebraWurschD | who can help me because my debian sarge 2.6.8 |
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| 11:48.28 | liable | !kill xorg7 |
| 11:49.03 | Halitherses | Shin-Chan, yes but you need an ext3 for / also |
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| 11:49.57 | Shin-Chan | ok thanks |
| 11:50.13 | liable | Shin-Chan: go with the guided partitioning |
| 11:50.41 | Shin-Chan | i'm totally dumb on these :( dont actually understand them...but well i'll try my best on this |
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| 11:51.13 | liable | !ig |
| 11:51.13 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 11:51.17 | Halitherses | there is nothing wrong with puting evrything on the one partition |
| 11:51.22 | liable | Shin-Chan: ^^ have a read of that |
| 11:51.48 | menko | hi people, I want to run a command automatically when I start up the computer in a tty for a certain user. Is there some console log in manager I can use for this? |
| 11:51.49 | Shin-Chan | thanks and already reading :) that's what leads me to this channel hehe |
| 11:52.32 | Shin-Chan | Configure the Logical Volume Manager <-- what is this for ? |
| 11:52.51 | liable | Shin-Chan: dont choose that. |
| 11:53.12 | Shin-Chan | it came out automatically after the partition step |
| 11:53.17 | Shin-Chan | so i just choose leave ? |
| 11:53.29 | liable | finish |
| 11:53.40 | Shin-Chan | ok |
| 11:54.41 | Luftzig | 'lo, everyone and happy passover :) . I've got logitek keyboard, and i'm using the xkb rule "xorg" with xkbModel "logiiitk" (which according to xkb docs is the correct one) and I'd like to know how do I know what are symbols for all the extra keys? |
| 11:54.44 | tarzeau | menko: what command is that? |
| 11:54.55 | Shin-Chan | so what kind of knowledge do i need to actually use this debian ? |
| 11:54.56 | clif4d | fireba11: I can see that if I bring the interface eth0 down, and then back up, it gets the right IP for about 2 seconds, and then it changes to that 169... address |
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| 11:55.01 | menko | tarzeau: xvfb-run firefox |
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| 11:55.35 | slinn__ | Shin-Chan: you need to be able to read :) |
| 11:55.41 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: you need to read some guides, and you need not be afraid of trying different stuff out |
| 11:55.45 | S4nD3r | Hi there!! How do I open DAA file? Is possible to open this one in my linux box ?? |
| 11:55.59 | ifvoid | MOOH!!! |
| 11:56.11 | Shin-Chan | heh ^^ yas read i need ! but i cant understand ^^ |
| 11:56.29 | resiak | S4nD3r: What kind of file is it? Try `file /path/to/that/file` to see what it is |
| 11:56.32 | Shin-Chan | since i found this chatroom.. i bet much problems can be overcome then |
| 11:56.35 | resiak | !room |
| 11:56.35 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 11:57.19 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: yep, but always remember to ask google before you ask inhere, since you'll read more than you need at the given time, but which might be useful later |
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| 11:57.35 | Shin-Chan | yes sir :O |
| 11:57.44 | Shin-Chan | Debootstrap Error |
| 11:57.51 | Shin-Chan | couldnt download wget |
| 11:57.54 | clif4d | and linux/debian is all about understading how things work, not just following some guide blindly to make it work ;) |
| 11:59.12 | Shin-Chan | omg now what :( wget is a download accelator for debian ? |
| 11:59.16 | tarzeau | clif4d: and debian is not only about linux |
| 11:59.23 | resiak | wget's a downloader |
| 11:59.25 | tarzeau | Shin-Chan: no . it's just a download tool. |
| 11:59.31 | tarzeau | Shin-Chan: and it's not specially for debian only |
| 11:59.45 | Shin-Chan | i'm getting this Debootstrap error... says couldnt download wget |
| 12:00.02 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: probably because your network isn't running yet |
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| 12:00.33 | bayer | i have a problem with WD sata harddrives, fsck trys to do a check on booting, but the kernel loads the driver modules to late. can anyone help? |
| 12:00.36 | Halitherses | tarzeau, what do you mean by: "debian is not only about linux" |
| 12:00.56 | tarzeau | Halitherses: debian is also hurd or gnu/kfreebsd. it's universal and about free software |
| 12:00.59 | clif4d | Halitherses: debian isn't onnly a linux dist |
| 12:01.18 | Shin-Chan | but i already configured the network since beginning |
| 12:01.25 | liable | bayer: add the modules to /etc/modules |
| 12:01.28 | Halitherses | Isn't hurd vaporware? |
| 12:01.35 | tarzeau | Halitherses: no |
| 12:01.42 | clif4d | tarzeau: but in Shin-Chan's case it's likely that debian will be mostly about linux ;) |
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| 12:02.11 | bliss1_ | hi |
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| 12:02.12 | Fackamato | hi guys |
| 12:02.14 | liable | bayer: they should get loaded bfore checkfs |
| 12:02.16 | Kerr | df -h reports i am using 70gb of my 74gb /home/media partition, but that there are only 70mb free. How can i fix this/free the 4gb ? |
| 12:02.36 | clif4d | Kerr: that's because root has reserved 5% of the disk |
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| 12:02.48 | clif4d | Kerr: man tune2fs |
| 12:02.48 | bayer | liable ok, i'll try that |
| 12:02.49 | Halitherses | 5% is reserved by default |
| 12:02.52 | bliss1_ | what browers do people who run servers ie command line use |
| 12:02.57 | menko | ok, so I made some modifications to the tty things in inittab, how do I check the results without rebooting? |
| 12:02.58 | Halitherses | Kerr |
| 12:03.04 | Kerr | clif4d: i'm pretty sure the last 4gb of my media drive isn't that important :) |
| 12:03.09 | Fackamato | compiled my own kernel, made the initrd etc, but at boot it wants to load the root FS at (hd3,3), which is completely wrong.. I think it has to do with mkinitrd, is there a way to set the root partition manually? |
| 12:03.11 | azeem | bliss1_: some form of links, e.g. |
| 12:03.12 | Fackamato | (when making the initrd) |
| 12:03.18 | Shin-Chan | oh well it keep saying couldnt download wget >_< what do i do |
| 12:03.36 | bayer | liable how can i find out which module handles the drives? |
| 12:03.40 | tarzeau | wget is in base since sarge |
| 12:03.43 | clif4d | Kerr: it's a good idea to have a bit free on your "/" partition, but 5% is often way too much today |
| 12:03.46 | Halitherses | You can change the reserved % when you make the ext3 fs |
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| 12:04.08 | bliss1_ | azeem: elinks, lynx w3m um? |
| 12:04.10 | liable | bayer: lsmod or lspci and google |
| 12:04.11 | clif4d | Kerr: when making the fs, but also later using tune2fs |
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| 12:04.19 | tarzeau | bliss1_: or links2 |
| 12:04.28 | tarzeau | bliss1_: it can even do graphics without X |
| 12:04.37 | tarzeau | bliss1_: using svgalib, or framebuffer |
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| 12:04.51 | Luftzig | how do I found out what are the symbols for some of the keyboard keys? |
| 12:05.00 | DonLemmi | Hi, i would like to add a pressed.cfg-file to the initrd of a etch-businesscard iso. I mounted the iso and initrd and added the file. Then i changed the mdsum for the initrd. But when i now boot the new iso, i get "icorrect cd-rom detected" during install. Anyone can help? |
| 12:05.01 | liable | xev |
| 12:05.04 | liable | Luftzig: ^^ |
| 12:05.12 | liable | Luftzig: for x anyway |
| 12:05.19 | bliss1_ | tarzeau: do you have a url for svalia |
| 12:05.23 | tarzeau | DonLemmi: checked BTS ? or #debian-boot |
| 12:05.27 | Luftzig | liable, ok. thanks |
| 12:05.29 | Kerr | clif4d: it's not even my root partition |
| 12:05.31 | bliss1_ | svgalib |
| 12:05.32 | tarzeau | bliss1_: what's svalia? |
| 12:05.50 | DonLemmi | tarzeau: BTS? Whats that? |
| 12:05.57 | tarzeau | bliss1_: http://www.svgalib.org/ |
| 12:05.58 | clif4d | Kerr: then go ahead and set it to 0% using tune2fs ;) |
| 12:06.02 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 12:06.02 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 12:06.07 | Kerr | so tune2fs /dev/hdb1 -r 0 |
| 12:06.08 | Kerr | ? |
| 12:06.19 | tarzeau | bliss1_: btw, -g is the option you want for links2 |
| 12:06.35 | clif4d | Kerr: device should be the last arg, but it will probably work anyway ;) |
| 12:06.47 | clif4d | Kerr: ehh -r ? |
| 12:06.49 | bliss1_ | tarzeau; thanks |
| 12:07.13 | Kerr | reserved blocks count? |
| 12:07.36 | S4nD3r | after use file File.daa I discovered that is a data file |
| 12:07.53 | clif4d | Kerr: you should probably use -m instead, though they might do the same when you set either to 0 |
| 12:08.32 | clif4d | S4nD3r: that's the same as file not knowing what it is ;) where did you get the file/do you know what it's suppose to be? |
| 12:08.42 | Shin-Chan | what's the domain name for? |
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| 12:09.32 | menko | ok... I managed to autologin with mingetty, how do I get it to run a command when it auto logs in a user? I was thinking ~/.bashrc or ~/bash_profile, but this user will also have a X session, so is it possible to get it to run the command only for tha auto tty log in? |
| 12:09.35 | S4nD3r | I think this is a kind of ISO file, compacted |
| 12:09.42 | clif4d | Shin-Chan: it is not something you should worry about with your laptop, since it's mostly for servers which need to be reachable from a URL, like server01.mydomain.com |
| 12:09.49 | S4nD3r | Office 12 Suite.daa |
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| 12:10.41 | Shin-Chan | but now i cant download this wget no matter what i set :( |
| 12:10.51 | cafuego | That would be warez, then. Unwelcome here. |
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| 12:11.10 | Shin-Chan | ? |
| 12:11.21 | clif4d | S4nD3r: as far as filext.com shows, it's a PowerISO Direct-Access-Archive |
| 12:12.04 | S4nD3r | Yes, I got it right now too |
| 12:12.09 | clif4d | S4nD3r: so basicly a properitary image file format. (sounds like you've been naughty :P ) |
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| 12:12.21 | S4nD3r | I will must to buy this software to get unpacked |
| 12:13.26 | Luftzig | ok, I get some strange events for some keys from xev: (see #flood) |
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| 12:13.36 | cafuego | Go to a shop && buy an Office 12 CD or DVD. |
| 12:13.45 | cafuego | Better yet, download openOffice.org. |
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| 12:16.38 | bliss1_ | tarzeau: is the the -g option run on installing the deb package in links2? |
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| 12:17.30 | clif4d | bliss1_: the -g options is used when you start the program (ie. "links2 -g") |
| 12:17.44 | S4nD3r | Is there any kind of client torrent to linux box ??? |
| 12:18.00 | S4nD3r | Id like someone to allow I seach what I needing for |
| 12:18.14 | bliss1_ | clif4d: are you happy with links2 |
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| 12:18.25 | g0vner | Hello everyone.Q: why altough according to my guide of minicom , i can't type the cmds the guidetold me to enter such as :AT, OK , ATA and so on ? |
| 12:19.09 | g0vner | although* |
| 12:19.11 | clif4d | bliss1_: I've only tried it a few time, sure it's funny to run full grafic browser in a terminal, but other than that I don't see the use, since I have my X session open all the time |
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| 12:20.00 | bliss1_ | clif4d: ok thanks |
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| 12:20.38 | Luftzig | S4nD3r, the original torrent client, if I recall right, is a python script, and runs fine on linux. try apt-cache search torrent and find one. |
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| 12:21.33 | clif4d | S4nD3r: if you want a grafical client, either qtorrent or azuerus(needs java) are avaliable in debian |
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| 12:22.54 | yang | is this module enabled in etch kernels ? - Universal TUN/TAP device driver support |
| 12:23.28 | clif4d | yang: you could just try and modprobe it... |
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| 12:23.33 | r_marvin | yang: yes |
| 12:23.53 | yang | clif4d: how is it called? |
| 12:24.17 | clif4d | yang: "modprobe modulename" |
| 12:24.32 | yang | clif4d: yes i dont know its modulename |
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| 12:25.01 | yang | its network device support - Universal TUN/TAP device driver support |
| 12:25.04 | clif4d | yang: it takes about the same time for me to find that, as it does for you ;) |
| 12:25.25 | Fackamato | hm |
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| 12:25.27 | yang | clif4d: i dont know where to look? |
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| 12:25.54 | clif4d | yang: it's called "tun" |
| 12:25.58 | erikyyy2 | hi. i am doing direct backups of some directories with growisofs. this is very practical, because i can then browse the backup DVDs as if they were the original filesystem. (i.e. no archives, no zips, no tars). but now i have ... |
| 12:25.58 | erikyyy2 | too much data for a single DVD. which tool can burn DVDs with splitting directories in advance? |
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| 12:26.04 | Fackamato | how come my server kernel panics with "pivot_root: no such file or directory (new line) /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file (new line) kernel panic: attempted to kill init! |
| 12:26.11 | Fackamato | (2.6.8-3-k7) |
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| 12:26.32 | clif4d | Fackamato: might be because your "/" partitions is wrong |
| 12:26.46 | jind | yang, apt-get kernel-source-2.6 and enter the /usr/src/kernel directory and run "make menuconfig" to pook into the kernel konfiguration options |
| 12:26.56 | Fackamato | clif4d: ah, makes sense.... I'll check |
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| 12:28.56 | yang | clif4d: thanks |
| 12:29.52 | clif4d | yang: sure np, I had a menuconfig for 2.6.16.5 running in the background anyway ;) |
| 12:30.26 | yang | clif4d: modprobe tun gives no error, but lsmod | grep tun doesnt give any hit |
| 12:30.56 | clif4d | yang: try modconf and see it you can find it there, also check dmesg and see if there's anything useful there |
| 12:31.15 | oskie | why oh why is gnumeric broken in sid |
| 12:31.33 | mortal__ | does someone else have xkb not working in 7 |
| 12:31.37 | mortal__ | Xorg 7 |
| 12:31.48 | yang | clif4d: dmesg gives this result - Universal TUN/TAP device driver 1.5 (C)1999-2002 Maxim Krasnyansky |
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| 12:31.51 | Fackamato | hda2 is my boot partition (ext2), hda3 is my root partition (ext3) |
| 12:32.02 | azeem | mortal__: I think that's a known bug, yes |
| 12:32.10 | clif4d | oskie: use the one from etch then... |
| 12:32.15 | mortal__ | azeem: good |
| 12:32.27 | Fackamato | so, in grub, it should be like this, right?: root (hd0,1), kernel /mykernel root=/dev/hda3 ro, initrd /myinitrd |
| 12:32.31 | mortal__ | my pipe doesn't work anymore |
| 12:32.39 | mortal__ | any estimates on when we get working xorg 7 packages? :p |
| 12:32.51 | clif4d | Fackamato: depends on GRUB's idea about (hd0,1) :) |
| 12:32.59 | FauxFaux | !quote mortal__ /pipe/ |
| 12:33.00 | Stevie-O | Quote #1354 added by WD_40 on #keegs at 12/5/00 12:28am: * Stevie-O is away: r[going to bed, who will join me] [12:27am] [Pager: ON] <@:Stevie-O> I just had to refuse 4 offers from various Backstreet Boys |
| 12:33.01 | dpkg | MORTAL__: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; : 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A |
| 12:33.05 | azeem | mortal__: probably over the next few days I guess |
| 12:33.09 | FauxFaux | .... |
| 12:33.10 | Fackamato | CleeK: well shouldn't that be hda2 ? |
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| 12:33.19 | FauxFaux | Ookay, let's not try and use that bot. |
| 12:33.20 | Fackamato | i.e. my boot partition, where it finds the kernel image etc |
| 12:33.28 | oskie | GRR why doesn't apt-get allow download-only even if dependencies cannot be met!? |
| 12:33.37 | Fackamato | because loading the kernel works, but it's not finding the root partition or something I think |
| 12:33.45 | FauxFaux | oskie: --force? |
| 12:33.46 | mortal__ | azeem: I made a huge mistake and installed unstable to my laptop which I actually use :p |
| 12:33.55 | azeem | mortal__: :-/ |
| 12:33.59 | tuvwx | can debian boot off an LVM root LV? |
| 12:34.06 | mortal__ | and I deleted my known good packages |
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| 12:34.14 | clif4d | Fackamato: most likely, and you didn't perhaps change something in this new kernel that made your disk show up as sda instead of hda? |
| 12:34.18 | trae_ | are their any E17 packages out yet |
| 12:34.19 | oskie | oskie: there's no apt-get --force option.. only --force-yes (but that has no effect) |
| 12:34.24 | trae_ | or can i run Engage on E16 |
| 12:34.54 | azeem | trae_: what's Engage? |
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| 12:35.26 | trae_ | azeem: its an E applet |
| 12:35.30 | tuvwx | trae_, try elive (elivecd.org) |
| 12:35.54 | tuvwx | trae_, it's a debian installer with E16 and E17 |
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| 12:36.35 | Fackamato | clif4d: no, it's debian's stock kernel (2.6.8-3-k7) |
| 12:36.40 | Fackamato | and I think it's working now |
| 12:36.51 | Fackamato | I rewrote menu.lst |
| 12:36.55 | deconvolution | hi ,I cannot start acrobat 7.0 and also IDL window(was running quite well before) after unstable upgrade the message is :Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0xba)!% X windows protocol error: BadColor (invalid Colormap parameter). how can i solve thi? |
| 12:37.03 | Fackamato | looking the same, but some hidden chars was maybe in the way ;P |
| 12:37.05 | Shin-Chan | wont let me download the wget :( |
| 12:37.08 | meneg | hi, should X bug reports go to xorg or debian |
| 12:37.34 | clif4d | Fackamato: can't hurt to clean that up ;) |
| 12:37.46 | Coweater | if it's a debian package send them to debian, they'll send upstream if needed |
| 12:37.53 | Shin-Chan | it's crazy... now it works @_@ omg |
| 12:37.54 | meneg | in x7 an evdev usb mouse locks everytime X starts and if it's re-plugged it doesn't lock again |
| 12:37.55 | lnc | Failed to fetch http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 12:37.55 | lnc | Failed to fetch http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/dists/stable/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 12:38.06 | lnc | what;s the cause of this? |
| 12:38.17 | lnc | i did sudo apt-get update |
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| 12:38.28 | fireba11 | lnc guess :-D |
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| 12:38.39 | lnc | link is dead or someshit? |
| 12:38.41 | trae_ | tuvwx: id really rather get it working on this true debian system |
| 12:38.42 | clif4d | lnc: you have that URL in your /etc/apt/sources.list and now it is unavaliable ;) |
| 12:38.51 | Daedalus_ | lnc: perhaps berkely is no longer maintaining a repo? |
| 12:38.56 | lnc | so, time to change URL ? |
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| 12:39.03 | Daedalus_ | yup |
| 12:39.23 | lnc | what's some uptodate mirror? |
| 12:39.24 | clif4d | lnc: your guessing skills are good today ;) |
| 12:39.28 | Daedalus_ | lnc: there's a handly list of mirrors on the debian website |
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| 12:39.29 | lnc | that's fast |
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| 12:39.48 | tuvwx | trae_, according to elive people, getting E17 to work properly in plain debian is too difficult that they created a live cd with an installer to do it. once elive is installed, it's a 100% debian system |
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| 12:40.09 | fireba11 | tuvwx: ^^ |
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| 12:40.48 | Coweater | if it's so difficult they had to change something, which makes it not debian |
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| 12:41.16 | karl_ | I need an old debian package I need wine 20050310 Does anyone know where can I get it ? |
| 12:41.27 | fireba11 | Coweater: it'S not debian because its so difficult :-D |
| 12:41.58 | cafuego | karl_: Are debian snapshots still running? |
| 12:42.15 | cafuego | http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 12:42.17 | trae_ | tuvwx: do they have a 64 bit version? |
| 12:42.36 | tuvwx | Coweater, you can try it yourself.. i did and found that to be true.. it's debian in every aspect, with the additional ready E17 advantage |
| 12:42.51 | tuvwx | trae_, they just announced it, if you go to their website |
| 12:43.07 | Coweater | tuvwx: but it isn't, it would be debian based |
| 12:43.08 | meneg | x log prints for every mouse move "(EE) Read error: No such device" |
| 12:43.13 | Fackamato | how come at bootup, my computer hangs at "exporting directories for nfs kernel dameon..." ? |
| 12:43.21 | Fackamato | it takes forever to get past that |
| 12:43.37 | lnc | gatech,edu better be up-to-date |
| 12:43.39 | lnc | :) |
| 12:43.44 | lnc | .* |
| 12:44.02 | trae_ | tuvwx: i see, its 10% done |
| 12:44.04 | tuvwx | Coweater, you use debian repos. to update it.. i consider it only an installer |
| 12:44.10 | karl_ | cufuego: What is snapshot ? The pc is not running anymore |
| 12:44.26 | Daedalus_ | Fackamato: probably waiting for a host lookup to time out. |
| 12:44.46 | karl_ | cufuego: Thanks I did nor understand you from the first time |
| 12:45.00 | Coweater | there's nothing that different about e17 to warrant just a different installer, they wouldn't have wasted time, something else had to change |
| 12:45.52 | tuvwx | can debian kernels boot off an LVM root LV? |
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| 12:47.47 | MarGarina | mmmm apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove my x-window-system package and few more.. is it broken or a good change I should accept? :) |
| 12:48.17 | azeem | MarGarina: see /topic |
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| 12:51.05 | heatwave | what is the equivalient of sarge's base-config in etch and sid? |
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| 12:51.54 | sonorous | hi there, I'd like to upgrade my server from sarge to etch, though I've never done a dist-upgrade before. can anyone point me in the general direction of any good HOWTOs please? |
| 12:51.58 | Shin-Chan | do the ftp servers usually go this slow ? 0.1kbps |
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| 12:53.05 | Estes | heatwave, what are you looking for ? |
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| 12:53.44 | Estes | sonorous, why would you move a server to something less stable ? Are you insane ? |
| 12:53.50 | cahoot | sonorous: this is a 'production server'? then refrain from etch |
| 12:54.28 | sorsis | how is automounting handled or does it work in debian stable? |
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| 12:55.21 | stjepan | hi |
| 12:55.25 | heatwave | Estes: im installing different releases of debian inside vservers on my server using debootstrap, and on a clean install from deboostrap I have to use base-config to set up timezone, password-shadowing, locales and basic user information.. on etch and sid base-config doesnt seem to exist, so Im currently doing it by hand (dpkg-reconfiguring stuff etc) |
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| 12:55.29 | stjepan | is it possible to limit download rate for apt-getting? |
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| 12:56.02 | sonorous | cahoot: well, it's my own server for personal things, but it's not really vitally important. I ahve a sarge backup from earlier today so it can be replaced if need be |
| 12:56.09 | Estes | heatwave, i see, well, i can't help on this, sorry |
| 12:56.21 | cahoot | stjepan: apt-cache show trickle |
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| 12:56.26 | Estes | sonorous, why moving to etch ? |
| 12:56.49 | sonorous | Estes: to be a little more 'on the bleeding edge' |
| 12:57.16 | Estes | sonorous, in my opinion it's a bit idiotic, especialy if you have to ask us how to do it |
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| 12:57.38 | cahoot | Estes: in what way are those two related? |
| 12:57.53 | sonorous | Estes: right, thanks for your comments. |
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| 12:58.02 | yos87 | hi |
| 12:58.18 | Estes | cahoot, in what way *what* is related ? |
| 12:58.39 | yos87 | I'm installing debian kernel 2.6 , in the setup it stuck on loading module "ide generic" |
| 12:58.43 | cahoot | Estes: the wish to 'upgrade' and the question on how to best do this |
| 12:59.09 | cahoot | Estes: the latter being a totally valid question |
| 12:59.12 | Estes | oh, thought it was "how to do it" not, "best to do it" |
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| 13:00.20 | Estes | i thought the guy didn't even know about sources.list in which case, i consider switching to etch as a bad idea because any maintenance work will involve enough knowledge to at least "search by yourself" |
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| 13:00.47 | Estes | sonorous, i simply change sources.list apt-get update and then, the dist-upgrade |
| 13:00.52 | Estes | that's the way i do it |
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| 13:00.56 | Estes | without problem |
| 13:00.59 | cahoot | Estes: yes - but still it's a bit offensive to call him idiotic |
| 13:01.24 | sorsis | could someone check that what is default automounter for debian stable? gnomes or some else? |
| 13:01.44 | azeem | sorsis: that highly depends on what you installed |
| 13:01.46 | azeem | there is no default |
| 13:01.55 | CcSsNET | ccssnet.phoenix-hosting.org - my site < | atlantica.us/apt/ < friends site great sources.list there take a look :) |
| 13:02.04 | azeem | GNOME uses gnome-volume-manager for automounting, and does so in stable as well AFAIK |
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| 13:02.11 | CcSsNET | the list has over 100 sources ^ |
| 13:02.14 | Estes | cahoot, that's my business, if you find it offensive, it's your problem, too many lamers switch to etch to be "on the edge", have problems and then say around debian sucks, this is what i find offensive |
| 13:02.33 | sorsis | Estes: i agree |
| 13:02.55 | stjepan | cahoot: tnx, it works |
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| 13:03.33 | cahoot | Estes: it's ok with me if you chose to exhibit bad manners - inly reflects on the image you present of yourself |
| 13:04.10 | Estes | I'll live with this |
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| 13:04.54 | CcSsNET | yos87: try removing all devices from the ide bus "besides the cdrom" and see if it gets past it. if so then its that device, if not then maybe its the cdrom or the bus. try some basic troubleshooting thats your only option |
| 13:05.17 | yos87 | CcSsNET: it's laptop |
| 13:05.22 | CcSsNET | ouch |
| 13:05.26 | CcSsNET | uhm |
| 13:05.28 | yos87 | CcSsNET: 2.4 kernel is working fine |
| 13:05.35 | yos87 | CcSsNET: but I want 2.6 |
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| 13:05.58 | CcSsNET | tried booting a live cd that has 2.6? |
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| 13:06.06 | phretor_ | does udev have a blacklist mechanism or something like that? |
| 13:06.07 | yos87 | CcSsNET: even, Booting is fail by defult, I'm using the command expert26 nolapic |
| 13:06.41 | yos87 | CcSsNET: What can I do Please? |
| 13:07.02 | CcSsNET | is this stable debian? testing or unstable? |
| 13:07.07 | CcSsNET | which one |
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| 13:07.36 | ptlis | Stable is stable. |
| 13:07.42 | sugoruyo | hi all |
| 13:07.42 | phretor_ | I just need to selectively enable/disable auto loaded modules as I did with hotplug/blacklist |
| 13:07.46 | yos87 | CcSsNET: are you talking with me? it's sarge if |
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| 13:07.54 | CcSsNET | ok |
| 13:08.00 | CcSsNET | sarge means your using stable |
| 13:08.07 | sugoruyo | can someone tell me if i can install from the isos on my hard drive/ |
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| 13:08.19 | jm_ | sugoruyo: installation manual tells you that |
| 13:08.20 | CcSsNET | well uhm. i got no other idea but this |
| 13:08.31 | sorsis | sugoruyo: yes you can. |
| 13:08.37 | sugoruyo | where is that? :p |
| 13:08.56 | sonorous | cahoot: thanks for your support. I've found a useful HOWTO on it. I asked the question because, obviously, I want to get a dist-upgrade right. It is unfortunate that asking such a question has now branded me under Estes' "people who ask such a question are lamers/retards" stereotype |
| 13:09.00 | CcSsNET | download a difrent distro, that uses a 2.6 kernel, distrowatch.org will work, and see if it boots, i recommend a live cd for testing |
| 13:09.23 | CcSsNET | if it does the obviosly its a software prob to research |
| 13:09.28 | Estes | sonorous, As far i know if you look i answer you |
| 13:09.35 | sorsis | sugoruyo: i have seen someone making a bootload where he mounted a xxx.iso as disk and installed linux from there. |
| 13:09.49 | CcSsNET | how old is this machine? |
| 13:09.52 | Estes | sonorous, so thanks for this, added to this i reconised i didn't understand well your question at first sight |
| 13:09.59 | sugoruyo | i know that is possible |
| 13:10.04 | sugoruyo | i'm looking for the command |
| 13:10.09 | yos87 | CcSsNET: if I download the netinst iso image, it might work? maybe newer? |
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| 13:10.19 | Estes | sonorous, so, well officialy, thank you poor bastard to reconise i answered your damn fucking question |
| 13:10.22 | Estes | damn |
| 13:10.23 | sorsis | sugoruyo: if i remember right he wasn't using lilo nor grub. i think those lack the ability for that. |
| 13:10.33 | Estes | crazy thing |
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| 13:10.55 | sugoruyo | i'm in the installer |
| 13:10.55 | Estes | added to this, i explained my reasons |
| 13:11.03 | Estes | which i find pretty legitimate |
| 13:11.10 | sugoruyo | it wants me to tell apt where it will get the packages from |
| 13:11.10 | Estes | maybe question of a point of you |
| 13:11.12 | CcSsNET | yos87 i recommend using that anyway, its just less to burn to cd. but i still recommend trying a live cd as well |
| 13:11.15 | Estes | whatever anyways |
| 13:11.20 | Estes | I'm gone |
| 13:11.26 | sugoruyo | so i want to tell it to get them from the iso in my ntfs partition |
| 13:11.35 | abrotman | sugoruyo: you can't do that |
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| 13:11.42 | sugoruyo | why not? |
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| 13:11.51 | sorsis | sugoruyo: you could allso do that so that you try to mount iso to your original linux and run installation script from there. |
| 13:11.54 | coywolf | !mplayer |
| 13:11.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 13:11.59 | yos87 | CcSsNET: in the old krnel the sound is not working ! |
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| 13:12.48 | sorsis | sugoruyo: in windows you could try to use cygwin. |
| 13:13.12 | sonorous | Estes: I personally think you should chill out a bit and stop falling under the "open source: licence to be a jerk" category. Don't brand everyone in that stereotype. Open source is not a licence to be a jerk |
| 13:13.14 | CcSsNET | thats nice, try researching your sound card, or try alsa or research that laptop some more |
| 13:13.23 | sugoruyo | what does windows have to do with it? |
| 13:13.27 | sonorous | besides that, thank you for answering my fucking question |
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| 13:13.49 | sugoruyo | look the installer wants to know where apt-get can find the packages |
| 13:13.58 | sugoruyo | but i dont have a cd available right now |
| 13:14.02 | sugoruyo | so i want to tell it |
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| 13:14.11 | sugoruyo | to get them from my iso |
| 13:14.16 | CcSsNET | i hate to say this, i love debian and all, but for a laptop, i only will ever recommend this operating system: damnsmalllinux.org take a look yos87, it uses kernel 2.4.26 though |
| 13:14.17 | sorsis | sugoruyo: that was just one option. |
| 13:14.21 | sugoruyo | i want to mount the iso |
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| 13:14.43 | tuvwx | can debian kernels boot off an LVM root LV? |
| 13:14.50 | sugoruyo | i guess if it can get them from the cd it can get them from a mount iso as well |
| 13:14.55 | RichiH | mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mount/point |
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| 13:15.06 | vin` | CcSsNET: meh |
| 13:15.09 | CcSsNET | probably not tuvwx |
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| 13:15.17 | sugoruyo | RichiH, thx |
| 13:15.23 | RichiH | np |
| 13:15.23 | sugoruyo | i'll try that |
| 13:15.31 | CcSsNET | considering it cant boot from a raid 0 |
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| 13:15.34 | yang | how can this be fixed? Thu Apr 13 15:00:24 2006 failed to find GID for group nobody |
| 13:15.40 | tuvwx | CcSsNET, how can i make sure? |
| 13:15.54 | CcSsNET | try it ;) or ask someone that has hehe |
| 13:16.07 | CcSsNET | honsetly i dont know though |
| 13:16.13 | tuvwx | anyone has.. people? |
| 13:16.30 | CcSsNET | i just know a raid 0 and 5 doesnt boot and i just make a small partition for /boot |
| 13:16.31 | disposable | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.32 | sugoruyo | i think it's working |
| 13:16.42 | sugoruyo | now it's fetching updates from the net |
| 13:16.44 | chealer | !tell disposable about mplayer faq |
| 13:17.04 | disposable | chealer, thanx |
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| 13:17.23 | quad3datwork2 | how do i use awk to search for a specific word? I want to grab cpu time from uptime... so need to search for the word "average" and print $1 |
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| 13:17.47 | quad3datwork2 | uptime |awk -F"average" '{print $1}' |sed -e 's/,//g' doesn't seem to work |
| 13:17.52 | azeem | Estes: please refrain from calling people's behaviour `idiotic' if possible, kthxbye |
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| 13:18.05 | Estes | azeem, whatever |
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| 13:18.28 | Estes | azeem, i didn't request your comments, kthxbye |
| 13:18.35 | azeem | Estes: you don't need to |
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| 13:18.51 | abrotman | quad3datwork2: what do you get? |
| 13:19.01 | abrotman | quad3datwork2: btw .. you probably want "average:" |
| 13:19.08 | Estes | azeem, before even commenting, read the whole thing than |
| 13:19.11 | Estes | then * |
| 13:19.13 | azeem | Estes: I did |
| 13:19.18 | Estes | sure |
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| 13:19.40 | PDani_ | hi |
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| 13:20.21 | PDani_ | how can i check whether my processor is 32, or 64bit? |
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| 13:20.36 | yos87 | CcSsNET: I like the art and graphic, I like Gnome, I don't prefer to use other Debian os in this bat laptop, otherwise , I go back windows |
| 13:20.37 | abrotman | PDani_: what speed is it? |
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| 13:20.44 | Estes | abrotman, thanks... no battle to have here, two different opinions and certainly someone didnb't read the _whole_ thing |
| 13:20.57 | abrotman | Estes: are you implying that azeem is lying? |
| 13:21.07 | kelmo_lap | hi |
| 13:21.12 | PDani_ | abrotman: dualcore, and cpuinfo says Intel Pentium D CPU 2.80Ghz |
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| 13:21.36 | abrotman | PDani_: i think that is 64bit .. maybe ask #hardware to know for sure |
| 13:21.37 | azeem | those are likely em64t, I think |
| 13:21.52 | Estes | I imply he didn't read really everything since i reconised i was wrong stating i didn't understand well his question, and so that made the "idiotic" out of purpose |
| 13:22.05 | Estes | but he obviously didn't see this |
| 13:22.07 | PDani_ | thx |
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| 13:22.23 | Estes | And this simple statement makes this discuss void |
| 13:22.55 | cafuego | did you mean "discus" or "discussion" ? |
| 13:23.01 | Estes | yes |
| 13:23.09 | CcSsNET | yos87 try downloading the weekly build of debian then, its the bleeding edge version. maybe itll work might as well try |
| 13:23.19 | cafuego | bloody vorlons |
| 13:23.26 | azeem | rather try beta2 |
| 13:24.06 | CcSsNET | of course its more prone to break though ^ |
| 13:24.15 | yos87 | CcSsNET: What is the weekly biuld, ? any link? |
| 13:24.27 | azeem | yos87: did you try etch beta2 yet? |
| 13:24.30 | CcSsNET | goto the site click getting debian and start reading |
| 13:24.42 | yos87 | azeem: no, I don't it |
| 13:24.51 | yos87 | azeem: what is etch beta2? |
| 13:24.55 | azeem | I suggest you try that before you start with daily builds |
| 13:24.55 | abrotman | i thiunk he already has sarge installed |
| 13:25.02 | abrotman | he could just try the 2.6.15 at backports.org |
| 13:25.06 | azeem | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:25.09 | Lumpen | hi i'm looking for a backports.org channel, are you aware of one? |
| 13:25.11 | azeem | ah, ok |
| 13:25.17 | azeem | yos87: what abrotman said then |
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| 13:25.51 | yos87 | yes, it sarge a0a |
| 13:25.54 | see | hello, what should i do if when i do apt-get upgrade get a load o packages The following packages have been kept back ? |
| 13:25.55 | yos87 | r0a |
| 13:25.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:25.56 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:26.01 | see | what is the reason for it? |
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| 13:26.23 | jm_ | !tell see -about kept back |
| 13:26.27 | azeem | see: upgrade does not remove or isntall new packages |
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| 13:27.18 | hans0lo | Does anyone know of a program that can record/playback keyboard or mouse macros? I have an app that I have a repetitive task to perform, an dI want to automate it. |
| 13:27.27 | jm_ | hans0lo: yes |
| 13:27.33 | see | so i should manually install all those? |
| 13:27.53 | hans0lo | jm_: What is it called? |
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| 13:28.14 | Lumpen | or maybe i should just ask here... I'm trying to install php5-cgi from backports.org (http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/php5-cgi_5.1.2-0bpo1_i386.deb). the package is actually there but my pinning must be setup incorrectly... after apt-get upgrade and apt-get install php5-cgi it get 'php5-cgi has no installation candidate'. |
| 13:28.16 | sorsis | hans0lo: can you use cron? i think those would be better option than some macros. |
| 13:28.18 | jm_ | hans0lo: there are several, xte, xnee ... |
| 13:28.28 | sorsis | hans0lo: or just some script |
| 13:29.01 | jm_ | Lumpen: so don't use pinning and use apt-get -t backports ... |
| 13:29.04 | hans0lo | jm_, thanks! |
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| 13:29.13 | hans0lo | sorsis: It's an X app, not console.. |
| 13:29.19 | Lumpen | jm_ i tried this, too, but it won't work either |
| 13:29.39 | jm_ | Lumpen: then your sources.list entries are fucked or you didn't update |
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| 13:30.23 | Lumpen | jm_ here it is: |
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| 13:30.27 | Lumpen | # grep 'backports' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:30.36 | Lumpen | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
| 13:30.45 | Lumpen | looks ok to me |
| 13:30.54 | Lumpen | and i did update... |
| 13:30.56 | yos87 | what to download fro backports.org? |
| 13:31.06 | jm_ | sorry it's -t sarge-backports |
| 13:31.07 | Lumpen | yos87: php5-cgi |
| 13:31.32 | stoned | when trying to play mid/midi files through timidity, as root or as user, I get the following error. open /dev/sequencer: No such device . what do I need to do inorder to have midi working |
| 13:31.50 | Lumpen | jm_: # apt-get -t sarge-backports install php5-cgi |
| 13:32.12 | Lumpen | tellsme the package is not available |
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| 13:32.46 | jm_ | Lumpen: WFM, check what does apt-cache policy say for it |
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| 13:33.05 | yos87 | what is the differant between the old and new kernel? Can't I troubleshoot the sound problem without chage to 2.6? |
| 13:33.17 | christor | Please I ms earching Help about zone transfer on Bind. I have configured a master and a slaver bind server |
| 13:33.32 | christor | And when I modify the master , no change is done on the slave |
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| 13:33.33 | stoned | do I just make a link of /dev/sequencer to /dev/dsp |
| 13:33.34 | xange | there a 'better' ftp client than gftp? |
| 13:33.48 | stoned | there is a mozilla firefox ftp extention |
| 13:34.23 | xange | hmm, can i specify gvim as my editor? |
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| 13:34.48 | bizkit | xange: lftp |
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| 13:36.42 | xange | ty bizkit |
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| 13:37.23 | Lumpen | jm_; priority for bpo is 200, php5 is pinned |
| 13:37.38 | jm_ | Lumpen: remove pinning for it |
| 13:38.21 | abrotman | christor: did you try #dns .. the Bind ARM is pretty clear about this .. don't forget to increment the serial |
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| 13:39.33 | alph0s | ola carmen_ |
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| 13:40.09 | Lumpen | jm_: i removed all pinning, bpo is now priority 500 as all other repositories |
| 13:40.31 | jm_ | Lumpen: that's why you were supposed to remove only pinning for php5, keep bpo entry in there |
| 13:40.45 | Lumpen | jm_: ok, trying that |
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| 13:43.29 | Lumpen | jm_: ok, now, after running apt-get update bpo priority is 200, rest is 500. when i run apt-get -t sarge-backports install php5-cgi i still get the same message: |
| 13:43.45 | Lumpen | Package php5-cgi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 13:44.13 | Lumpen | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
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| 13:44.43 | jm_ | Lumpen: it works fine for me, but I have to run now, sorry |
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| 13:44.59 | Lumpen | weird |
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| 13:46.09 | crypt_ex | I am running Debian Testing and I am trying to get my NIC to operate under 100base rather than 10. I know the NIC supports this as I have tried it in another PC, however mii-tools changes it to 100 but then it reports no link. I have restarted the switch and everything. A different server on the network thats running Fedora is operating under 100base. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:46.15 | ikppc | hi |
| 13:46.23 | warhead | hi |
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| 13:46.35 | warhead | I have litle problem |
| 13:46.41 | crypt_ex | dont we all |
| 13:46.45 | warhead | iptables -L |
| 13:46.45 | warhead | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 13:46.45 | warhead | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 13:46.47 | ikppc | is any way can i install a splash screen when my machine start? |
| 13:46.49 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 13:47.05 | crypt_ex | warhead, do you have the kernel module? |
| 13:47.06 | ikppc | hi elephantMan |
| 13:47.06 | warhead | But I on netfilter in kernel |
| 13:47.19 | elephantMan | Once i installed kde starting from gnome, how do i make it available to choose at boot menu ? |
| 13:47.24 | warhead | crypt_ex > I have build-in-kernel |
| 13:47.27 | warhead | no laik module |
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| 13:48.05 | ikppc | i want to install a flash screen boot when the machine estart, is any way to do that? |
| 13:48.11 | azeem | elephantMan: choose kde instead of as session in your X session manager |
| 13:48.13 | warhead | [*] Network packet filtering (replaces ipchains) ---> |
| 13:48.25 | warhead | crypt_ex > I kernel , [*] Network packet filtering (replaces ipchains) ---> |
| 13:48.33 | danieldg | warhead: inside that option? |
| 13:49.13 | warhead | danieldg > Networking support , Networking options |
| 13:49.25 | crypt_ex | warhead, does lsmod show the module loaded? |
| 13:49.40 | danieldg | warhead: no, inside the Network packet filtering option, there are many suboptions |
| 13:49.50 | danieldg | warhead: do you have those compiled in too? |
| 13:49.58 | ikppc | any one knows about flash screen? |
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| 13:50.07 | warhead | < > Netfilter netlink interface |
| 13:50.38 | warhead | I need turn < > Netfilter netlink interface ? |
| 13:50.46 | danieldg | warhead: that one isn't needed |
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| 13:51.00 | warhead | < > Netfilter Xtables support (required for ip_tables) ??? |
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| 13:51.09 | danieldg | warhead: yes, you need that |
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| 13:51.25 | warhead | danieldg > Aha... |
| 13:52.08 | danieldg | warhead: I'd compile _everything_ in that section as a module |
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| 13:52.24 | danieldg | warhead: including the netlink interface, it can be useful |
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| 13:53.04 | warhead | danieldg > Ok, I now try with Your instruction. |
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| 13:53.32 | crypt_ex | ahh....anyone had much luck with switching there Network card to 100basetx? |
| 13:53.38 | linrunix | hey everybody :> |
| 13:53.49 | crypt_ex | I change mine and thens theres no link :( |
| 13:54.15 | tarzeau | !flash |
| 13:54.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
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| 13:54.38 | psofa | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.46 | crypt_ex | credentials? |
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| 13:54.50 | mindbob | Guys I run a dns server, and i want to host a subdomain sub.domain.com and point it to a hostname like sub.blah.com because the person has a dynamic ip they use dydns service, can i just do sub IN A sub.domain.com ? can i point it at the dyndns is what im trying to ask? |
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| 13:55.20 | crypt_ex | mindbob, a A record is to an IP address |
| 13:55.51 | crypt_ex | mindbob, try a CNAME |
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| 13:55.58 | psofa | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.03 | crypt_ex | credentials? |
| 13:56.03 | RazaMetaL | psofa, 62.1.246.90 |
| 13:56.12 | RazaMetaL | psofa, 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [privsep] [TLS] ---------- |
| 13:56.27 | psofa | RazaMetaL, thanks a lot man |
| 13:56.51 | Lumpen | how can i mix amd64 and i386 package sources? i'm running a amd64 system and need to install a i386 package from backports.org. is there a way to to this, or shouldn't those packages be mixed, or should icompile from source? |
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| 13:57.03 | psofa | if you could tell me why i couldnt access it from my own lan? |
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| 13:57.18 | PDani_ | hi |
| 13:57.26 | linrunix | hi |
| 13:57.26 | tarzeau | Lumpen: sources are all the same |
| 13:57.33 | tarzeau | Lumpen: there's no amd64 and i386 source packages |
| 13:57.42 | tarzeau | Lumpen: there is one source package, and many binary packages |
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| 13:57.55 | linrunix | he means binary i guest |
| 13:58.06 | RichiH | i guest, too |
| 13:58.08 | RichiH | ;p |
| 13:58.21 | tarzeau | then he needs be spanked |
| 13:58.33 | Lumpen | tarzeau: right. i'm trying to install php5-cgi, which is only available for i386 as a binary package. i'm wondering how to go fromhere |
| 13:58.46 | PDani_ | i downloaded the debian-31r1a-ia64-netinst.iso, burned to a CD, but my machine can't boot from it (i've a konppix cd, and it works) |
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| 13:59.00 | tarzeau | PDani_: how did you burn it? |
| 13:59.10 | PDani_ | k3b |
| 13:59.11 | tarzeau | PDani_: wait you have ia64 or amd64 or i386? |
| 13:59.25 | PDani_ | ia64 != amd64?? |
| 13:59.28 | tarzeau | PDani_: no |
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| 13:59.32 | Lumpen | tarzeau: you probably meant to talk to me. i have amd64 |
| 13:59.33 | PDani_ | oh... |
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| 13:59.48 | tarzeau | Lumpen: no, and i won't spank you either |
| 13:59.48 | PDani_ | what should i download for amd64? |
| 13:59.52 | tarzeau | PDani_: amd64 |
| 13:59.55 | tarzeau | PDani_: or i386 |
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| 14:00.23 | jengelh | or even sparc64 |
| 14:00.37 | Lumpen | tarzeau: ah sorry, and that's right, you won't spank me ;-) |
| 14:01.13 | psofa | RazaMetaL, does it still work? |
| 14:01.24 | goldenaura | Hi there. I was using Zope 2.8.4 with my plone site with a lot of products. But i had to reinstall Debian OS, and i see that now in the "test" and "unstable" repository there isnt version zope 2.8.4 anymore and only version 2.8.6. |
| 14:01.42 | xange | what do I need to install to get unrar? I already did apt-cache search unrar and only fonud comix |
| 14:01.44 | goldenaura | I tried to install it, but it is incompatible with some of my products |
| 14:02.00 | xange | s/fonud/found/ |
| 14:02.02 | goldenaura | how can i get debian package of zope 2.8.4 if it isnt listed in the repository? |
| 14:02.31 | linrunix | goldennaura, search in the debian.org page |
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| 14:02.46 | RazaMetaL | psofa, 220 ProFTPD 1.2.10 Server (Psofa's ftp server) [192.168.1.2] |
| 14:02.50 | linrunix | get it from there and dpkg with it. |
| 14:02.55 | PDani_ | is there official amd64 release? |
| 14:02.59 | psofa | RazaMetaL, thanks a lot |
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| 14:03.27 | Lumpen | linrunix: could you help me with the amd64/i386 probs? |
| 14:03.36 | sorsis | PDani_: i think debian was one of the first distributions to support amd64 |
| 14:03.38 | goldenaura | linruninx: where can i find it in the debian.org? |
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| 14:04.01 | linrunix | go to the page and then to the pakages section |
| 14:04.07 | linrunix | and then search it |
| 14:04.10 | goldenaura | linruninx: the packages i see listed there are the same apt get |
| 14:04.20 | linrunix | Lumpen, use a source |
| 14:04.42 | Lumpen | linrunix: ok, thanks |
| 14:05.21 | linrunix | Lumpen, some pakages arent yet to amd64 |
| 14:05.21 | sorsis | goldenaura: you could install 2.8.6 and then remove it to get all requirements of zope and then compile zope by hand from source |
| 14:05.52 | PDani_ | sorsis: on www.debian.org/ports/amd64, i found only the unofficial Debian-AMD64 Sarge release |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | goldenaura: i think there was a security update to it |
| 14:06.08 | sorsis | linrunix: can't debian run 32 bit software with amd64 port? |
| 14:06.10 | goldenaura | sorsis: and where can i get the source? because also in the zope.org site i can only get the zope 2.8.6 |
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| 14:06.35 | linrunix | i think |
| 14:06.40 | Lumpen | linrunix: indeed, actually only php5 and mod_php5 are |
| 14:06.44 | linrunix | im not sure |
| 14:06.54 | warhead | Iptables now work |
| 14:06.56 | Lumpen | thats what i'm wondering |
| 14:06.56 | warhead | Cool |
| 14:06.57 | warhead | :-) |
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| 14:07.18 | sorsis | goldenaura: zope is sourceroge project. i'm quite sure that they can offer you older sources too. |
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| 14:07.32 | goldenaura | ok thanks ;) |
| 14:07.54 | abrotman | goldenaura: what are you looking for? |
| 14:08.08 | linrunix | dondennaura you say 2.6.4 rigth |
| 14:08.27 | linrunix | ? |
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| 14:08.40 | abrotman | !tell goldenaura about sdn |
| 14:08.45 | linrunix | http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/zope |
| 14:08.49 | linrunix | there it is |
| 14:08.50 | EdT | oh |
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| 14:09.06 | abrotman | linrunix: wrong version |
| 14:09.11 | setuid | Anyone know offhand how much space would be required to mirror Debian? |
| 14:09.20 | goldenaura | abrotman: after installing zope2.8.6 i see it is incompatible with some of my plone products i am using in my site. So i needed to downgrade to zope 2.8.4, but this package isnt neither in the "testing" nor in "unstbale" anymore |
| 14:09.23 | abrotman | *a lot* |
| 14:09.37 | EdT | do you have a tutorial to install the ati drivers? |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | !tell goldenaura about snapshot |
| 14:09.40 | abrotman | !ati |
| 14:09.41 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 14:09.50 | linrunix | well |
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| 14:09.57 | goldenaura | linrunix: i mean 2.8.4 not 2.6.4 |
| 14:09.59 | EdT | thanks |
| 14:10.06 | dannythm | abrotman: sorry about the other day |
| 14:10.10 | linrunix | ok sory |
| 14:10.12 | abrotman | setuid: you can mirror certain parts now |
| 14:10.13 | abrotman | dannythm: ? |
| 14:10.21 | goldenaura | linrunix: plone 2.1.2 only runs in zope 2.7.9-2.8.6 |
| 14:10.32 | dannythm | abrotman: but I was arguing with my gf and I couldn't be in both site at same time |
| 14:10.35 | setuid | abrotman: Sure, but what if I want to mirror ALL of it? (as a service to debian of course) |
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| 14:10.38 | abrotman | dannythm: if i don't remember .. you're forgiven :) |
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| 14:10.52 | setuid | abrotman: I mirror Gutenberg, LDP, Wikimedia, CPAN already |
| 14:10.54 | dannythm | abrotman: you were helping me with my dual boot and I left suddenly |
| 14:10.58 | abrotman | setuid: you mean sarge/etch/sid .. and all ports? |
| 14:11.04 | abrotman | dannythm: ah ok .. that was last week wasnt it |
| 14:11.05 | abrotman | '? |
| 14:11.05 | dannythm | abrotman: oh, ok ^^ thanks |
| 14:11.07 | setuid | abrotman: Right |
| 14:11.19 | setuid | Enough to make a useful mirror to users |
| 14:11.21 | dannythm | abrotman: it was 2 days ago lol |
| 14:11.21 | abrotman | setuid: i believe there's a palce to check |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | dannythm: no way! |
| 14:11.30 | setuid | abrotman: I've googled... |
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| 14:11.42 | abrotman | setuid: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/size |
| 14:11.53 | abrotman | setuid: might be slightly outdated |
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| 14:12.09 | linrunix | goldennaura, there only the 2.7.5 |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | setuid: i'd say a bit more .. probably like 200GB |
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| 14:13.08 | goldenaura | thanks |
| 14:13.28 | abrotman | goldenaura: i think i told you where to get it ... can you handle snapshot.debian.net? |
| 14:13.54 | dannythm | abrotman: yep it was |
| 14:14.01 | xz1ldj | Some one plez help me with my kismet.conf i have a IBM t42 is "source=ipw2100,eth1,xz1ldj" whati need to put in the ocnf file i get an error of "No piddir specified in //etc/kismet/kismet.conf. Please specify one! |
| 14:14.01 | xz1ldj | " |
| 14:14.14 | resiak | A piddir |
| 14:14.14 | dannythm | abrotman: but that's the past so... |
| 14:14.21 | xz1ldj | whats a pidddir? |
| 14:14.31 | setuid | abrotman: Ok, that's not a lot... English Wikipedia is 340G |
| 14:14.32 | xz1ldj | resiak, can u give me anexample |
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| 14:14.36 | goldenaura | abrotman: never used snapshot.debian.net before |
| 14:14.38 | resiak | Try searching /etc/kismet/kismet.conf for "piddir" |
| 14:14.40 | dannythm | abrotman: the fact is that I still got the error booting winxp... wel... not booting xp lol |
| 14:14.40 | jon787 | anyone know why Ctrl+Alt+F1 no longer works with X.org? |
| 14:14.51 | abrotman | dannythm: did you try asking #grub at all? |
| 14:14.55 | abrotman | goldenaura: type in the package you want |
| 14:15.11 | abrotman | setuid: it is a lot .. that's only for binary iirc .. and like i said .. it's also outdated |
| 14:15.13 | dannythm | abrotman: oh... that's a great idea! I'll ask there, thanks! |
| 14:15.26 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
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| 14:15.36 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 16985 packages, 1610 maintainers, 32494 MB installed size, 10450 MB compressed size. |
| 14:15.36 | setuid | abrotman: ok |
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| 14:16.12 | sorsis | jon787: could it be that your meta button is configured differently? try, different combinations of shift, ctrl and alt. |
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| 14:16.47 | CAiRO | how can i send an utf-8 encoded text-file with sendfax? it always says "./fax.txt: Can not determine file type" even though file knows "fax.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text" |
| 14:17.11 | jon787 | sorsis: nope, this happened when I went from xorg 6.9 to the xorg 7.0 |
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| 14:17.14 | abrotman | setuid: so .. 10GB for etch .. figure that's average .. so 3*10GB*14 |
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| 14:17.57 | goldenaura | abrotman: perfect :) |
| 14:18.18 | setuid | 420G, not too bad |
| 14:18.19 | setuid | Ok |
| 14:18.30 | goldenaura | abrotman: can i use the links given to introduce them in the apt source.list file? |
| 14:18.45 | linrunix | has anybody use a modem v92 intell on debian |
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| 14:18.48 | stoneage | how can i build a linux kernel with gcc4.1 instead of gcc4.0 (both installed, ./gcc -> 4.0) looks like that $CC=gcc-4.1 doesnt help |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | goldenaura: somehow .. yes .. i'm not sure how |
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| 14:19.16 | abrotman | setuid: there is a debian-mirror list .. maybe ask them |
| 14:19.22 | dannythm | abrotman: hmmm... nobody answers... and no body talk in #grub |
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| 14:19.42 | xz1ldj | hey guys im getting this error when launching kismet, "aiting for server to start before starting UI... |
| 14:19.42 | xz1ldj | Source 0 (scalista): Opening ipw2100 source interface eth1... |
| 14:19.42 | xz1ldj | FATAL: No 'configdir' option in the config file. |
| 14:19.42 | xz1ldj | " |
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| 14:19.58 | abrotman | dannythm: give them a bit .. they are slow |
| 14:20.03 | linrunix | anyone???? |
| 14:20.18 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 14:20.18 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 14:20.30 | dannythm | abrotman: ok ^^ |
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| 14:20.36 | pedro_ | is xorg fucked up with the new update? |
| 14:20.45 | stoneage | how can i tell the kernel building process which compiler it should use ?? |
| 14:21.25 | linrunix | thanks |
| 14:21.54 | bob_boy | the new update screw my system up too but x|e help me out and now everything works great in 7.0 |
| 14:22.00 | goldenaura | abrotman: thanks man, saved my life ;) |
| 14:22.35 | stouset | Anyone using MergedFB with the new X in unstable? It's creating the virtual desktop of the right size, but it's cloning the screen across my LCD and CRT, rather than doing a left-right orientation. |
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| 14:23.18 | ifvoid | stoneage: setting CC doesn't work? |
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| 14:23.43 | abrotman | stouset: didn't you already ask a question today? |
| 14:24.43 | stouset | abrotman: I just got here :( |
| 14:24.56 | abrotman | stouset: only one per customer! |
| 14:25.20 | abrotman | stouset: gravity broke lots of stuff |
| 14:25.29 | abrotman | stouset: be glad your X works at all |
| 14:26.37 | stouset | But...but...that was my only one! |
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| 14:26.48 | humboldt | I get"#1016 - Can't open file: 'sessions.MYI'. (errno: 145)". The file is there. Apperently somebody turned off the server. How can I repair the file and all other files compromised. |
| 14:27.46 | abrotman | stouset: nothing in the BTS? |
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| 14:28.01 | PDani_ | hi |
| 14:28.17 | tarzeau | !banana |
| 14:28.17 | dpkg | banana is, like, a fruit, or banana.com, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/lucio/banana.txt, or http://www.filmbuffs.net/bananana/ |
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| 14:29.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: did i tell you about the new game? i've itp'd it today |
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| 14:29.19 | stouset | abrotman: Yeah, something. No solution or hints toward a solution yet. Was hoping someone here might be experiencing the same thing. |
| 14:29.21 | crypt_ex_ | How can I findout what my NIC is using in terms of module? I have tulip listed in lsmod, but dont think its being used? |
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| 14:29.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: you didn't tell me what it was |
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| 14:30.00 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: check in /sys/class/net/ |
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| 14:30.09 | abrotman | stouset: i don't use mergefb .. |
| 14:30.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/362289 |
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| 14:30.40 | PDani_ | i've an integrated ethernet card, it works fine with e100 driver on knoppix, but the amd64 debian sarge installer doesn't recognise it. i tried modprobe e100, but the driver didn't find the card... |
| 14:30.52 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, what exactly am I looking for in /sys/class/net/eth0? |
| 14:30.55 | tarzeau | PDani_: #debian-boot |
| 14:31.01 | tarzeau | PDani_: checked BTS yet? |
| 14:31.18 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: the device/driver symlinks links to the drievr name |
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| 14:31.24 | PDani_ | tarzeau, BTS? |
| 14:31.36 | PDani_ | tarzeau, what's that? |
| 14:31.36 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, hmm, device -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.0 |
| 14:31.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you try danger from the deep? |
| 14:31.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope |
| 14:31.48 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 14:31.48 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 14:31.52 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, thats not the tulip though I think which is needed |
| 14:31.55 | ifvoid | cyzie: uh, sorry, the driver link links to the driver |
| 14:32.02 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: ^ |
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| 14:32.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i'll play with pcsx tonight |
| 14:32.08 | ifvoid | (mistab) |
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| 14:32.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: try it! |
| 14:32.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: it is fun? |
| 14:32.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried hot potato? |
| 14:32.36 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, there is no driver file in there though? |
| 14:32.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: it could be :) |
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| 14:32.41 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: but the fact that you have a /sys/class/net/eth0 means that eth0 is working |
| 14:32.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn you if it's addictive |
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| 14:33.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you applied for DD yet? |
| 14:33.01 | peppo | after upgrading to the latest X11, X11 forwarding over SSH seems disabled. |
| 14:33.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's graphically pretty darn cool .. it's a sub hunter game |
| 14:33.03 | ifvoid | (working, as in, supported by some driver that is currently loaded) |
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| 14:33.07 | Perdignus | Hello - anyone know of a console based file manager that I could configure to launch an external picture viewer for .jpg associations? |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: they won't let me in |
| 14:33.12 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, it is working fine...but I dont think its the right driver...because I want to enable 100Mb rather than 10Base |
| 14:33.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not? |
| 14:33.32 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, the only thing I can think of is the module its using |
| 14:33.33 | tarzeau | Perdignus: mc |
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| 14:33.46 | tarzeau | Perdignus: i'd use feh for .jpg |
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| 14:33.58 | erudified | Does anyone know of a package/resource containing the entire english lexicon in plain text? |
| 14:34.05 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: uh, why are you so sure that it's note using 100Mb? |
| 14:34.18 | peppo | how do I re-enable automatic X11 forwarding in Debian/Xorg 7.0? |
| 14:34.19 | Perdignus | tarzeau: Maybe I dismissed mc to quickly, I didn't see where I could configure my own file associations, it's possible though eh? |
| 14:34.20 | Supaplex | peppo: man sshd_config |
| 14:34.23 | peppo | it denies trusted hosts |
| 14:34.39 | peppo | Supaplex, the problem is with X, my sshd_config, ssh_config settings didn't change on either end |
| 14:34.42 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, when I execute mii-tool -F 100baseTx-HD, it changes but says no-link |
| 14:34.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe you should put the happypenguin RSS feed in your RSS reader |
| 14:34.51 | peppo | "Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding." |
| 14:34.57 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, even though the switch works for another server and PC |
| 14:34.59 | tarzeau | Perdignus: yes of course, tried f9? |
| 14:34.59 | Supaplex | that's normal |
| 14:35.01 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: are you sure your hub/switch/router support it then? |
| 14:35.10 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: ah |
| 14:35.11 | tarzeau | Perdignus: mc even has a hex editor/viewer knew that? |
| 14:35.17 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, its really annoying |
| 14:35.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe i don't have RSS readers? |
| 14:35.31 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: and syslog also says it's autodetecting 10baseT? |
| 14:35.39 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, I am sure the tulip driver would work, but I dont think this Debian box is using it. |
| 14:35.39 | Perdignus | tarzeau: er, of course not ;) sorry |
| 14:35.42 | peppo | how do I fix this? I didn't have to use -Y before! |
| 14:35.44 | Supaplex | peppo: does ssh -X work? |
| 14:35.47 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, letme check |
| 14:35.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: you mean noone writes software for gnustep anymore? |
| 14:35.58 | peppo | Supaplex, only after I add the host manually inside the X client |
| 14:36.01 | peppo | which sucks |
| 14:36.21 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: could you paste the output of mii-diag -a to paste.debian.net? |
| 14:36.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: of course people do. i've got a few new packages for debian upload... |
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| 14:36.42 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, okay hangon a sec |
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| 14:36.57 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: what kind of nic is this again? |
| 14:37.00 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, mii-diag? |
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| 14:37.12 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, Netgear fast ethernet |
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| 14:37.19 | vaq | Can Debian boot without screencard in the machine? (Sun cobalt RAQ 550) |
| 14:37.27 | peppo | why was xauth removed from Debian? |
| 14:37.29 | crypt_ex_ | had it working with tulip before |
| 14:37.39 | ifvoid | vaq: debian can, but your bios might now |
| 14:37.41 | Supaplex | !xauth |
| 14:37.41 | dpkg | ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or really in xbase-clients |
| 14:37.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: package glest.org! |
| 14:37.42 | ifvoid | *not |
| 14:38.04 | peppo | !xauth |
| 14:38.04 | dpkg | ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or really in xbase-clients |
| 14:38.05 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, installing mii-diag |
| 14:38.07 | Supaplex | peppo: you're not using xauth to evade ssh forwarding are you? |
| 14:38.13 | peppo | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 14:38.14 | dpkg | from memory, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 14:38.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://apt.linex.org/dists/cl/juegalinex/binary-i386/ |
| 14:38.32 | peppo | Supaplex, huh? what? |
| 14:38.33 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: which pci-id (in lspci)? |
| 14:38.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: looks great |
| 14:38.37 | Supaplex | nm, I was thinking xhost |
| 14:39.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wonder why people who make deb packages can't as well maintain it in debian main.... |
| 14:39.32 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, http://paste.debian.net/5882 |
| 14:39.54 | peppo | even ssh -Y doesn't work |
| 14:39.57 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: and what happend if you enable auto-negotiation? |
| 14:40.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can't find the license |
| 14:40.17 | peppo | same thing with ssh -X |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: becoming a DD sucks |
| 14:40.22 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, it works, but does not connect at 100Mbs |
| 14:40.28 | peppo | so, X11 forwarding seems totally broken on sid |
| 14:40.30 | crypt_ex_ | uses 10 instead |
| 14:40.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i agree |
| 14:40.41 | Supaplex | peppo: then file a bug |
| 14:40.44 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, my other server is setup using 100 |
| 14:40.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: just do it anyways... |
| 14:40.54 | peppo | Supaplex, nope, I don't understand the problem |
| 14:41.00 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: can you paste the output of mii-diag after enabling auto-nego? |
| 14:41.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm gone, another date |
| 14:41.28 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: as well as the output of lcpci -v? |
| 14:41.31 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, mii-tool -r eth0 then? |
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| 14:41.50 | crypt_ex_ | if this drops my connection, I will be back with pastebin setup |
| 14:41.58 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: -r or -A, I guess |
| 14:42.03 | crypt_ex_ | okay |
| 14:42.14 | Supaplex | peppo: you are just lazy. you want it all. you want stable apps, but you want the latest versions to. if you can't cope with sid, regress. |
| 14:42.36 | stoneage | ifvoid: no, i have $CC=gcc-4.1 but make still uses gcc 4.0 |
| 14:42.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: have fun |
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| 14:43.14 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, http://paste.debian.net/5883 |
| 14:43.24 | Supaplex | I've nominated we change unstable to 'caveat-emptor' before. ;) |
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| 14:43.37 | Devil_Kin | hey ppl... any idea how to get X starting again? All i get is xinit: server error |
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| 14:44.43 | bob_boy | unstable workx great |
| 14:44.50 | deconvolution | what's happened with the recent x.org server |
| 14:45.08 | stoneage | updatet to 7.0 |
| 14:45.19 | deconvolution | i cannot start acrobat 7.0 nor IDL at all |
| 14:45.22 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: hmm |
| 14:45.26 | crypt_ex | ifvoid, very confusing hey |
| 14:45.35 | Devil_Kin | using debian unstable, just did the upgrade to 7.0 |
| 14:45.41 | crypt_ex | it reports no link when I switch to 100 |
| 14:45.42 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: what kind of switch is this? |
| 14:45.49 | Supaplex | !topicsmite them |
| 14:45.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon them. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 14:45.55 | crypt_ex | 8 port 10/100Mb Nway |
| 14:45.59 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: it almost sound like one of its ports is broken |
| 14:46.07 | ifvoid | or maybe the cable is |
| 14:46.25 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: anyway, if you want to find out the drivers for your hardware, check out http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 14:46.37 | crypt_ex | could be the cable...I will change the cable and try again :) |
| 14:46.39 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: but this doesn't sound like a driver problem |
| 14:47.00 | crypt_ex | hmmm....okay, thanks for the help...how did you learn about those nifty commands? |
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| 14:48.14 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, how do I make it use tulip? |
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| 14:48.36 | crypt_ex_ | force it to use tulip....it loads the module btut its not being used by anything |
| 14:48.41 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: are you sure you need the tulip driver and that it isn't already using it? |
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| 14:48.50 | Devil_Kin | noone any iea? the wiki doesn't mention anything |
| 14:48.53 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: experience, and some searhc work ;) |
| 14:48.58 | Phlexonance | is there a more advanced mixer than 'KMix' ? I need to set the crossover freq |
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| 14:49.13 | crypt_ex_ | tulip 45088 0 , 0 meaning nothing using it? |
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| 14:49.15 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: ie, what does ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver |
| 14:49.17 | ifvoid | give? |
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| 14:49.28 | sven_ | hi, i've got a problem with my keyboard when xorg is running. the alt an crtl keys dont work. can someone help? |
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| 14:49.50 | crypt_ex_ | ahhh /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/tulip |
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| 14:50.00 | crypt_ex_ | So I presume its using tulip? |
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| 14:50.31 | EdT | how can i install ati drivers on my Debian? |
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| 14:50.35 | EdT | I followed this tutorial: http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 14:50.43 | EdT | but I got a lot of errors |
| 14:50.47 | dannythm | I got this error when trying to boot win XP with grub "Filesystem Unknown. Partition type 0x7" what's that and how can I solve it? |
| 14:50.49 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, going to change the cable then....fingers crossed. |
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| 14:51.00 | Sonny | does anybody here use apt-watch? |
| 14:51.04 | dannythm | abrotman: nobody has talked in #grub in tis whole time |
| 14:51.12 | sorsis | dannythm: have you tried to do update-grub? |
| 14:51.22 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: good luck |
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| 14:51.26 | dannythm | sorsis: always after modofying the menu.lst |
| 14:51.29 | abrotman | dannythm: paste your menu.lst .. and cat /proc/partitions .. and the error you get somewhere |
| 14:51.30 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:51.30 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:51.32 | abrotman | #flood |
| 14:51.34 | EdT | fglrx-installer-8.19.10 cant download some file from ati website |
| 14:51.39 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: and also try a port that you known is workign |
| 14:51.41 | crypt_ex_ | ifvoid, thanks for all the help :) |
| 14:51.59 | crypt_ex_ | will try that before I dig up the cables :) |
| 14:52.04 | dannythm | abrotman: ok, ill paste it in #flood |
| 14:52.12 | Phlexonance | !tell Edt -about ati |
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| 14:52.35 | ifvoid | crypt_ex_: you're welcome |
| 14:52.43 | Phlexonance | is there a more advanced mixer than 'KMix' ? I need to set the crossover freq |
| 14:53.14 | cahoot | Phlexonance: gamix has lots of flash |
| 14:53.27 | Phlexonance | cahoot: thx, ill try that |
| 14:53.27 | Devil_Kin | why the fsck does debian symlink /etc/X11/X to /bin/true ??? |
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| 14:54.01 | argent | Devil_Kin: it doesn't. not on my system atleast |
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| 14:54.17 | Devil_Kin | argent: it did here. i had to manually put the link back to Xorg to get it running |
| 14:54.30 | Devil_Kin | an strace showed me it was trying to execute /bin/true.. and i was wondering why |
| 14:54.53 | triller | anybody knowing, why march dont work with apt-build ? march: no such variable at /etc/apt/apt-build.conf line 4 |
| 14:54.53 | tuvwx | Devil_Kin, argent: neither in mine |
| 14:54.57 | Supaplex | Devil_Kin: X is greatly simplified now. ;) |
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| 14:55.26 | argent | tuvwx: what does it link to, then |
| 14:55.41 | tuvwx | argent, /usr/bin/X11/Xorg |
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| 14:55.50 | Devil_Kin | argent: i guess it might be because for some reason it didn't pull in xserver-xorg |
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| 14:57.34 | dannythm | abrotman: pasted my full menu.lst |
| 14:57.45 | EdT | dpkg: that site send me on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 14:57.48 | dannythm | abrotman: and the partitions too |
| 14:57.49 | EdT | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.51 | dannythm | abrotman: ant the error is just "Filesystem Unknown, Partition type 0x7" |
| 14:58.04 | Phlexonance | is there a more advanced mixer than KMix or gamix? I need to set the crossover freq |
| 14:58.26 | pipeline | Phlexonance: Heh, something that complex is going to require you to dig into alsa's internals |
| 14:58.35 | stew | Phlexonance: alsamixer exposes every control that is available (assuming you run alsa) |
| 14:58.36 | pipeline | Phlexonance: Alsa's poorly documented internals. Assuming your card even supports such a featuer. |
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| 14:58.51 | ifvoid | EdT: ati produces its own debian packages nowadays |
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| 14:59.07 | ifvoid | I think flavio's installer is obsolete |
| 14:59.16 | EdT | uh? |
| 14:59.19 | EdT | oh... |
| 14:59.19 | danieldg | How do you lower the user count in the output of uptime? I have a login from before the start of the month (when wtmp.report was generated) that is still counted, but doesn't go away. |
| 14:59.34 | EdT | and where can I find these packages? |
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| 15:00.43 | Phlexonance | stew: alsamixer isnt capable of this |
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| 15:00.51 | Phlexonance | pipeline: yes the card can, but alsamixer cant |
| 15:01.03 | pipeline | Phlexonance: Yeah, so you'll have to dig into the bones of Alsa. |
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| 15:01.20 | Phlexonance | pipeline: I guess that would get ugly |
| 15:01.21 | pipeline | Phlexonance: Also, be aware that this is probably not something supported by the card's hardware, but rather something that windows drivers did entirely in software |
| 15:01.22 | jengelh | not capable of what |
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| 15:01.45 | Phlexonance | of setting the crossover frequency |
| 15:01.54 | jengelh | wth is a crossover freq? :) |
| 15:02.06 | stew | Phlexonance: then you will have to edit the driver sourcecode |
| 15:02.31 | pipeline | Phlexonance: If it's not present in the mixer, it's probably something doen entirely in software anyway :\ |
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| 15:03.11 | Phlexonance | pipeline: yeah, I guess so |
| 15:03.51 | Phlexonance | jengelh: every sound under this freq goes to the subwoofer and everything over this freq goes to the rest of the sound system |
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| 15:05.45 | cahoot | Phlexonance: looks like you can at least tell mplayer how to handle this, like: http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxHardwareInfoCreativeSoundblasterAudigy2 |
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| 15:06.12 | s0n1 | hi someone knows a undelete arquives? |
| 15:06.19 | s0n1 | program for reiserfs |
| 15:06.19 | s0n1 | ? |
| 15:06.31 | ifvoid | s0n1: there's no such thing |
| 15:06.38 | ifvoid | s0n1: well, there is one |
| 15:06.41 | pipeline | s0n1: You're fucked. Use a real filesystem, next time. |
| 15:06.42 | ifvoid | s0n1: it's called "backup |
| 15:06.43 | ifvoid | " |
| 15:06.44 | ifvoid | ;) |
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| 15:07.39 | Phlexonance | cahoot: thats bad, I love my amarok |
| 15:08.26 | Supaplex | pipeline: real filesystem, like what? |
| 15:08.53 | Phlexonance | like ext3 |
| 15:09.03 | Supaplex | try undeleting on ext3 |
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| 15:09.23 | Phlexonance | only have tried on ntfs so far |
| 15:09.26 | Phlexonance | and fat =) |
| 15:09.48 | xange | anybody use 'screen' and know if there is a way to change the window placement (as in order of rotation) |
| 15:09.59 | s0n1 | raidsys:/# recover -a /dev/hda4 /tmp/ |
| 15:10.02 | abrotman | dannythm: looking |
| 15:10.11 | marlun | I want to install Trac on my debian server, I've installed Subversion but is the SWIG binding included with the debian subversion package? |
| 15:10.13 | s0n1 | lsdel: Filesystem not open |
| 15:10.13 | s0n1 | No inodes found |
| 15:10.13 | s0n1 | Do you want to refilter the inodes? [yn] y |
| 15:10.16 | pipeline | Supaplex: Well, it wasn't really related to undeletion in general. ReiserFS necessarily implies being fucked, sooner or later. |
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| 15:10.54 | abrotman | dannythm: and when you run grub-install .. what doy ou actually type? |
| 15:11.00 | Supaplex | I agree with ext3 myself. there's countless hours of use behind it =) |
| 15:11.52 | ifvoid | Supaplex: does online resizing of ext[23] work already? |
| 15:11.54 | tuvwx | you can't undelete in ext3, can you? |
| 15:11.56 | dannythm | abrotman: grub install? |
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| 15:12.18 | action09 | hi ! anybody knows how can i set definitively utf-8 charset in gnome-terminal |
| 15:12.20 | action09 | ? |
| 15:12.25 | dannythm | abrotman: grub was installed long ago, when I installed sarge in this PC a year and a half now... |
| 15:12.28 | abrotman | dannythm: you know .. when you grub-install /dev/hda or whatever you type ? |
| 15:12.36 | Supaplex | tuvwx: by design, no. |
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| 15:12.48 | dannythm | abrotman: ahh... I modify my menu.lst with vim |
| 15:12.54 | hikenboot | hello all---I am doing a bootstrap install when i type base-config I get the message "terminated" and nothing else anywhere I can look for more messages on whats going on? |
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| 15:13.51 | Supaplex | ifvoid: mmm never tried. maybe with lvm, but you're speaking of the partition itself and live? I would say no. You're not even suppose to have a readonly mounted ext2/3 while running fsck on it (kernel may panic) |
| 15:13.59 | tuvwx | someone just said that flavio's ati packages are obselete.. where are the new ones? |
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| 15:15.01 | dannythm | abrotman: and then I do an upate.grub |
| 15:15.44 | ungoliant | Hello! |
| 15:15.50 | ifvoid | Supaplex: well, there are kernel patches that can do it |
| 15:15.55 | debnuB | Hi everyone. After doing a fresh install (sarge 3.1) kernel 2.6.8-386 i got no xsession only gray screen and some lines from boot. any help? |
| 15:15.57 | ifvoid | and also other fssen dan do it |
| 15:16.08 | ifvoid | it's my main reason for using reiser, really |
| 15:16.28 | argent | debnuB: was something written on the screen or was it only gray lines? |
| 15:16.57 | debnuB | argent. with normal boot option (grub) only gray screen |
| 15:17.23 | dannythm | abrotman: I just found that the problem might be that windows don't like being on hd1, so if I use teh command "map" I should make him believe that it's on hd0 |
| 15:17.26 | Supaplex | ifvoid: cool |
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| 15:18.12 | argent | debnuB: nothing written? try this: when you boot, press 'e' after selecting the normal boot option. scroll down to the second line (the one that starts with `kernel') and check if you can see a vga=... option there |
| 15:18.57 | EvilDin | am guys do i need 14 CDs for instalation of Debian? |
| 15:19.07 | tuvwx | new ati packages? anybody? |
| 15:19.15 | azeem | EvilDin: no |
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| 15:19.27 | EvilDin | which one then |
| 15:19.37 | EvilDin | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:19.42 | azeem | EvilDin: the netinst should be enough, if you have decent internet |
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| 15:20.08 | debnuB | EvilDin. If you have a good dsl line all you need is a 50 mb download (netinst) and then the process is automatic |
| 15:20.17 | EvilDin | ok |
| 15:20.33 | EvilDin | then all other can be downloaded by apt-get |
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| 15:20.56 | dannythm | somehow like this "title windows XP map (hda1) (hda0) map (hda0) (hda1) root (hda1)" |
| 15:21.17 | dannythm | wel, deleting the "a" in every "hdx" lol |
| 15:21.17 | ungoliant | anyone have Debian SID with Xorg 7.0 + nvidia 1.0-8756 working? anyone can run glxgears? |
| 15:21.21 | debnuB | EvilDin: exactly |
| 15:22.02 | RazaMetaL | ungoliant, I can't run glxinfo |
| 15:22.11 | trueno | Is there a way to open a second terminal while using qemu? |
| 15:22.13 | debnuB | argent: no vga option |
| 15:22.41 | hikenboot | anyone able to help? |
| 15:22.44 | ungoliant | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". or somewhat like I suppose |
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| 15:23.05 | EvilDin | which one is better debian ubuntu or gentoo |
| 15:23.05 | argent | !runlevels |
| 15:23.05 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 15:24.04 | argent | debnuB: try appending '5' to the end of the options |
| 15:25.34 | jetscreamer | EvilDin: distrowatch.com |
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| 15:26.26 | elephantMan | What is the possible range of IP adresses in a 192.168.1.X network setup ? Does it goes to 192.168.1.255 ? |
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| 15:28.14 | EvilDin | so what is here opinion about ubuntu |
| 15:28.29 | EvilDin | they say that is very similar to debian |
| 15:28.30 | EvilDin | is true |
| 15:28.31 | stew | EvilDin: it's offtopic |
| 15:28.33 | argent | !ubuntu |
| 15:28.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 15:28.43 | EvilDin | what is main diffrent |
| 15:28.46 | argent | !based on debian |
| 15:28.47 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 15:28.55 | Supaplex | !debian ripoff |
| 15:28.56 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 15:29.43 | wdamn | Hi, if my user can read a file, can I also scp it from another server with that user? |
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| 15:30.30 | tuvwx | ati packages update: there are fglrx packages in unstable/non-free |
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| 15:30.41 | wdamn | cause I've still got a permission denied error |
| 15:30.53 | power1 | hey all, I was wondering, ive just installed "vim" and I would like the editor to show colours for certain variables when I edit a conf file, for eg in gentoo any line with a "#" is made blue. Is there an easy way to do this in debian? |
| 15:31.13 | tuvwx | can nano do syntax highlighting? |
| 15:31.23 | jon787 | power1: edit the /etc/vim/vimrc and uncomment the line about syntax highlighting |
| 15:31.25 | stew | power1: :syn on |
| 15:31.44 | power1 | jon787, Stew thanks new it would be simple. |
| 15:32.44 | debnuB | argent: again just a gray screen |
| 15:32.46 | jon787 | so does anyone know why my fonts in xorg 7 would suddenly get huge after restarting X |
| 15:33.09 | jon787 | they were fine when I first upgraded but then I had to reboot and they got huge |
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| 15:34.53 | tuvwx | can nano do syntax highlighting? |
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| 15:35.43 | minerale | tuvwx: I woud not advise you to write code using nano, give vi/vim a try |
| 15:36.04 | jon787 | or emacs |
| 15:36.36 | tuvwx | minerale, i use nano for quick modifications, but syntax highlighting would make a quick job an easy one too! |
| 15:36.44 | minerale | tuvwx: but,, yes, it can: look at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=86562 |
| 15:37.32 | stew | tuvwx: /usr/share/doc/nano/examples has a .nanorc that does syntax hilighting |
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| 15:38.05 | tuvwx | stew, nice.. why isn't this the default? |
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| 15:39.07 | polok | a serial port is tty or tts? |
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| 15:39.29 | jon787 | ttyS[0-9]+ |
| 15:39.43 | polok | thanks |
| 15:39.50 | jon787 | atleast on mine |
| 15:40.00 | jon787 | I think devfs used to call them tts or something silly |
| 15:40.43 | stew | tuvwx: dunno, i would guess the maintainer wants to keep the default settings as basic as possible so that it will work in the widest array of applications |
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| 15:42.02 | argent | debnuB: is it a pure gray screen or has black spots in it? did you see any lines of text before the gray screen? |
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| 15:44.02 | debnuB | gray as it gets. it boots normally but when x should be running it gets gray. :) I got access to bash through recovery mode. |
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| 15:44.33 | Phated | Erh... sounds like X without a window manager :) |
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| 15:44.56 | Phated | Unless you have a dm running? |
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| 15:47.54 | debnuB | Phated: dm? |
| 15:47.57 | lftl | any tips on getting past xorg failing saying it can't find the modules bitmap / pcidata? |
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| 15:48.30 | Phated | debnuB: xdm, gdm - do you normally get an X login? |
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| 15:50.56 | debnuB | Phated: Had debian running on this box doing fine. Just did a fresh intall. |
| 15:51.05 | tuvwx | can less do syntax highlighting? |
| 15:51.34 | Phated | debnuB: Why the reinstall, then? :) |
| 15:51.47 | Phated | debnuB: What version of debian, incidentally? |
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| 15:52.15 | debnuB | Phated: because it kept giving errors on launching xserver |
| 15:52.34 | debnuB | Phated sarge 3.1 netinst |
| 15:53.23 | abrotman | the errors might be helpful |
| 15:53.29 | Phated | What abrotman said. |
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| 15:54.27 | vin` | tuvwx: :help less in vim |
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| 15:56.01 | tuvwx | vin`, thanks |
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| 15:56.52 | debnuB | Phated: If y hit Enter it keeps scrolling boot log |
| 15:57.22 | Sonny | hi if I installed a .deb pkg downloaded from a web page, how can I unistall it now? |
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| 15:57.52 | azeem | Sonny: apt-get remove <package> |
| 15:58.42 | bob_boy | unstable xserver 7.0 workin fine compiz is workin fine again deb/kde |
| 15:58.58 | vin` | bob_boy: which graphics chip? |
| 15:59.09 | bob_boy | fx5500 |
| 15:59.13 | debnuB | argent Phated: Thanks. |
| 15:59.19 | bob_boy | nvidia |
| 15:59.32 | vin` | any success stories with i915? |
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| 16:01.36 | vin` | tuvwx: 4 mins left to elive.iso, you made me do it. how functional is it as a live CD? |
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| 16:01.52 | System- | hi, i installed debian by net install yesterday, installed as a desktop environment i can only have the screen size as 800x600 or 640x480, any idea how i can get it to 1024x768? |
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| 16:03.35 | Juz_visiting | what is the replacement for the xf86config command ?? it's no longer available so a tab complete shows? |
| 16:04.10 | tuvwx | vin`, pretty good |
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| 16:04.53 | tuvwx | vin`, there is a #elivecd channel, for the unexpected |
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| 16:05.07 | mishmash | Guys, my harddrive crashed. I've had to install debian again (now on a Raid-1). Only i have one problem with the mysql database. I've managed to recover the /var/lib/mysql directory |
| 16:05.15 | tuvwx | vin`, sorry.. it's #elive |
| 16:05.20 | mishmash | now i've replaced my new /var/lib/mysql with the old one |
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| 16:05.45 | System- | i installed debian by net install yesterday, installed as a desktop environment i can only have the screen size as 800x600 or 640x480, any idea how i can get it to 1024x768? |
| 16:05.49 | tuvwx | vin`, it's an eye-catcher |
| 16:05.50 | mishmash | And now i got the error: Connect to server at localhost failed, access dienied for user debian-sys-maint @ localhost |
| 16:05.55 | Maulkin | System-: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 16:06.19 | mishmash | Is there anyone here that could tell me how to fix my mysql? |
| 16:06.19 | Maulkin | mishmash: Have you installed mysql5 by any chance? |
| 16:06.22 | mishmash | yes |
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| 16:06.28 | mishmash | the old one is mysql 5 also |
| 16:06.32 | Maulkin | mishmash: and the old database was mysql4, right? |
| 16:06.33 | mishmash | was... :P |
| 16:06.34 | mishmash | no |
| 16:06.43 | Maulkin | oh, ok... |
| 16:06.46 | mishmash | Both mysql5 |
| 16:06.52 | System- | ?? |
| 16:06.53 | Maulkin | Ok... hang on... |
| 16:06.56 | mishmash | ok |
| 16:06.59 | ScoobyD00 | hi - anyone help me get my box to boot again please? :o) |
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| 16:07.08 | mishmash | what's the problem ScoobyD00? |
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| 16:07.24 | Maulkin | mishmash: Try running "mysql_fix_privilege_tables" as root |
| 16:07.29 | mishmash | ok hang on |
| 16:07.33 | ScoobyD00 | well, i upgraded the kernel, and now it gets a kernel panic on boot - trying to mount my RAID drives |
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| 16:07.38 | alexanros_23 | hi |
| 16:07.44 | alexanros_23 | hi |
| 16:08.00 | ScoobyD00 | cant find reiserfs on /dev/md2 (which is swap) |
| 16:08.10 | mishmash | Maulkin: |
| 16:08.10 | mishmash | Got a failure from command: |
| 16:08.10 | mishmash | cat /usr/share/mysql/mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql | /usr/bin/mysql --no-defaults --force --user=root --host=localhost --database=mysql |
| 16:08.10 | mishmash | Please check the above output and try again. |
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| 16:08.24 | Maulkin | minerale: ok. |
| 16:08.26 | Maulkin | no... |
| 16:08.53 | Maulkin | mishmash: run "/etc/init.d/mysql stop" |
| 16:09.41 | mishmash | done |
| 16:09.47 | Maulkin | mishmash: Then, run "/usr/bin/mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables &" |
| 16:09.51 | mishmash | ok |
| 16:10.02 | Maulkin | mishmash: Then, run "mysql_fix_privilege_tables" |
| 16:10.03 | System- | is there away to get linux drivers when using debian? |
| 16:10.16 | mishmash | mysqld_safe[2506]: started |
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| 16:10.34 | yosef | Hi |
| 16:10.42 | System- | i dont think its using my graphics card |
| 16:10.42 | mishmash | Maulkin: done! |
| 16:10.56 | mishmash | now stop mysqld safe and start the normal one? |
| 16:11.03 | Maulkin | mishmash: right, now "fg" and control+c |
| 16:11.07 | Maulkin | yeah :) |
| 16:11.11 | yosef | What is the differnat between kernel 2.4 and kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 16:11.23 | mishmash | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 16:11.32 | mishmash | yosef: alot |
| 16:11.41 | Maulkin | Damn... ok. We'll haev to do this the hard way. |
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| 16:12.10 | Maulkin | mishmash: ok, stop the normal one, and run the one with --skip-grant-tables |
| 16:12.21 | mishmash | ok |
| 16:12.22 | yosef | mishmash: But I cannot install debian in 2.6, and I can install it in 2.4 |
| 16:12.28 | Supaplex | debian-sys-maint only has enough rights to help init scripts get the job done. |
| 16:12.38 | yosef | mishmash: I stuck when mounting the cdrom |
| 16:12.39 | mishmash | yosef: why can't you install 2.6? |
| 16:12.42 | mishmash | Maulkin: ok hang on |
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| 16:12.54 | mishmash | yosef: what kind of system |
| 16:13.10 | ScoobyD00 | so the kernel just panics - i don't get why it thinks /dev/md2 would be a filesystem - the fstab says it is swap - is it an initrd.img problem do you think? |
| 16:13.12 | yosef | mishmash: debian |
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| 16:14.10 | mishmash | yosef: what kind of hardware? |
| 16:14.11 | nite613_ | Is it safe to symlink config files in /etc/ to other places instead (like /shareddisk/etc/) or will some packages not respond well to that? |
| 16:14.14 | System- | can someone help me in a min please? i dont think debian is using my graphics card etc, everything looks crap and can only have a max res of 800x600, am unsure of what to do? |
| 16:14.28 | mishmash | Maulkin: safe is running again |
| 16:14.30 | yosef | mishmash: i try to install it over debian kenel 2.4, i had another choice when booting for 2.6, it also stuck when booting for error such : no such file or directory |
| 16:14.35 | Maulkin | !tell System- about drxx |
| 16:14.40 | yosef | mishmash: it's new laptop |
| 16:14.53 | yosef | mishmash: fujitsy siemens |
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| 16:15.32 | Maulkin | mishmash: ok, now grab the password out of /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 16:16.31 | mishmash | Maulkin: done! |
| 16:16.31 | Maulkin | mishmash: and then log in to mysql and run "use mysql;" |
| 16:16.38 | [bono] | Question: my 2.6.15 kernel crashes once in a while (X freezes). var.log.messages says 'EIP is at prune_icache'. The top 2 elements of the call trace are 'get_dirty_limits' and 'shrink_icache_memory'. Note that it used to crash before upgrading to 2.6.15. How do i start trying to solve this? Any idea? |
| 16:16.50 | Maulkin | mishmash: then "update user set password = password('.......') where user = 'root' and host='localhost';" |
| 16:16.55 | mishmash | hmm seems like the mysql-safe isn't running afterall... hang on |
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| 16:17.07 | Maulkin | mishmash: then "flush privileges; "; then "quit" |
| 16:17.10 | sixter | anybody knowing, how to use march with apt-build ? |
| 16:17.24 | System- | maulkin, im a newbie, and have no idea how to run that |
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| 16:17.53 | Maulkin | System-: are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
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| 16:18.18 | System- | erm not sure what any of them are |
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| 16:18.28 | System- | im using 2.4.27-2-k7 |
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| 16:19.11 | batman4050 | 8-0 |
| 16:19.14 | mishmash | Maulkin: Did all that, but still the same error... |
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| 16:19.20 | Maulkin | System-: whet's the output of "cat /etc/debian_version"? |
| 16:19.34 | mishmash | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
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| 16:20.19 | Maulkin | mishmash: did you get the password out of /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and use that isntead of the dots? |
| 16:20.19 | System- | it said 3.1 |
| 16:20.24 | mishmash | yes |
| 16:20.26 | mishmash | i did |
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| 16:20.40 | batman4050 | Hello. I'm using a join command to join two files with columns seperated by a :, and using their first field as their common field. However, when I run the command, only the last line is correctly joined in the output. Can anyone help me with this? |
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| 16:20.54 | System- | so which is 3.1? sarge, etch or sid? |
| 16:21.03 | mishmash | sarge |
| 16:21.13 | System- | ooh ok |
| 16:21.18 | yosef | mishmash: Is it from my bad laptop? does debian usually man troubles with laptops? |
| 16:21.19 | System- | so how do i run drxx? |
| 16:21.23 | ScoobyD00 | does anyone have any idea about my RAID problem? ;O( |
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| 16:21.43 | Maulkin | mishmash: ok... go back into --skip-grant-tables and run "use mysql; select * from user;" |
| 16:22.02 | Maulkin | System-: Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 16:22.19 | cahoot | System-: type this in your irc-client: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 16:22.56 | mishmash | ok Maulkin: got it |
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| 16:23.05 | Maulkin | mishmash: What's the result? Can you pastebin it? |
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| 16:23.27 | System- | how do i know what x server driver to use? |
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| 16:23.49 | PDani_ | hi |
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| 16:24.05 | bucky | System-: if you're running sarge then you only have xfree86 |
| 16:24.06 | PDani_ | how can i set in xine-ui, that which alsa-device should be used? |
| 16:24.08 | mishmash | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.29 | Maulkin | mishmash: ok... |
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| 16:24.50 | System- | bucky it has a long list and says 'select the desired x server driver' |
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| 16:24.57 | mishmash | Maulkin, the only thing different from this new install is the hostname... Could that be the problem? |
| 16:24.59 | Maulkin | mishmash: can you try, at the comand line: "mysql < /usr/share/mysql/mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql" |
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| 16:25.14 | bliss1_ | hello |
| 16:25.14 | bucky | System-: oh.. driver, nv if it's a geforce card |
| 16:25.34 | mishmash | Maulkin: ERROR 1046 (3D000) at line 14: No database selected |
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| 16:25.55 | System- | lol bucky. is there anyway i can find out what the name of the card is? |
| 16:26.06 | Maulkin | mishmash: sorry, my bad. That should have been "mysql mysql < /usr/share/mysql/mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql" |
| 16:26.25 | mishmash | Trying it in a minute, got to go to the bathroom :P |
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| 16:26.29 | eye69 | http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/ |
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| 16:26.50 | Maulkin | mishmash: if that doesn't work, try "cat /usr/share/mysql/mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql | /usr/bin/mysql --no-defaults --force --user=root --host=localhost --database=mysql" |
| 16:27.04 | mishmash | ok |
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| 16:27.32 | bucky | System-: lspci |
| 16:27.33 | Maulkin | mishmash: That should fix it. If not, I'll be back in 2 hours or so, but I need to go home now |
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| 16:27.43 | System- | i type that in bucky? |
| 16:28.27 | navarr | i need help... i changed from stable to testing and installed the new kernel, it won't boot up, and kdm isn't working.. |
| 16:28.48 | bliss1_ | just been through a process of instaling Xen and the final comand before reboot is update-rc.d xend defults 20 21 and update-rc.d xendomains defaults 21 20 but in each case file does not exist does mean I must create these files in ietc/init.d ? |
| 16:28.50 | mishmash | why doesn't it boot navarr: |
| 16:28.51 | mishmash | ? |
| 16:29.02 | navarr | mishmash: I dont know, it just starts booting and dosn't do anything else. |
| 16:29.13 | mishmash | no errors? |
| 16:29.19 | navarr | mishmash: no errors. |
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| 16:29.26 | xoz | navarr: try the old kernel |
| 16:29.38 | navarr | xoz: thats what im on now. but kdm still won't work. |
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| 16:29.44 | [bono] | Question: whats the name of that site which allows to search the kernel sources for a particular variable ou routine name? |
| 16:29.46 | mishmash | boot into your old kernel and start building the new kernel from scratch again |
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| 16:30.04 | SatanGolga | XFree86 is not able to detect your mouse. Edit the config file....what should i edit? |
| 16:30.09 | navarr | mishmash: okay, how exactly do i do that? |
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| 16:31.17 | bliss1_ | abortman; hows it going |
| 16:31.18 | Supaplex | [bono]: besides google? :) |
| 16:31.34 | matadon | I can't seem to remember how to do this -- if I do a source download of python2.4-minimal, I get all of python2.4 -- is there a way I can just build -minimal and whatever it depends on, without having to build the whole bloody Python universe? |
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| 16:31.51 | [bono] | Supaplex: yup, besides google. :-) |
| 16:32.07 | matadon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:32.15 | Supaplex | [bono]: try yahoo ;) hehehe |
| 16:32.31 | SatanGolga | or how can i "redetect" the mouse? |
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| 16:33.33 | Flawless | I'm trying to make a custom kernel package, which is all good and well for the kernel versions that I can find a kernel-source-x.y.z package for |
| 16:33.47 | mortal__ | how could I get my pipe character back, I lost it with an upgrade to X7 |
| 16:33.50 | Flawless | how can I build a debian-remniscient kernel package for a brand new kernel source? |
| 16:34.20 | System- | bucky, i cant find what my graphics card is called? |
| 16:34.22 | Flawless | I've been building custom kernel packages for a long time, so I'm just looking for debian-patches (if there are any), and the kernel config file |
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| 16:34.33 | Flawless | (I assume the config is something like "m" for everything?) |
| 16:35.12 | mishmash | Guys: how can i COMPLETELY remove mysql-server? |
| 16:35.14 | kspath | System-: lspci| grep VGA did not show you anything? |
| 16:35.21 | mishmash | including the /var/lib/mysql folder |
| 16:35.24 | Flawless | mishmash: dpkg -P mysql-server |
| 16:35.30 | System- | i did lspci and lspci -v |
| 16:35.40 | mishmash | Flawless: isn't that the same as --purge ? |
| 16:35.44 | kspath | System-: Did you grep for VGA ? |
| 16:35.46 | Flawless | mishmash: yup |
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| 16:35.50 | mishmash | that didn't help |
| 16:35.53 | System- | kspath, whats that? |
| 16:35.56 | hikenboot | anyone know if the devices in /dev need to be created for base-config to work? |
| 16:36.03 | Flawless | mishmash: /var/lib is user data. Packages are NOT supposed to just delete that |
| 16:36.09 | kspath | System-: type lspci | grep VGA |
| 16:36.13 | Flawless | mishmash: Just delete it yourself? |
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| 16:36.27 | kspath | System-: man command will tell you about grep |
| 16:36.28 | hikenboot | i am doing my first attempt at bootstrapping |
| 16:36.31 | mishmash | Flawless: i could do that, but as soon as i install mysql-server again, it doesn't create those folders |
| 16:36.31 | kspath | System-: man grep |
| 16:36.40 | mishmash | already tried that :P |
| 16:36.49 | Flawless | mishmash: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:36.54 | bliss1_ | xoz: hi see my post/ any ideas |
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| 16:37.01 | mishmash | I want to get rid of my mysql priveleged tables |
| 16:37.09 | mishmash | i can't access my mysql any more |
| 16:37.21 | Flawless | mishmash: that's a completely other problme |
| 16:37.26 | System- | kspath lspci | grep VGA did nothing |
| 16:37.28 | kspath | mishmash: If you switch to postgresql it will get rid of all mysql tables for you. |
| 16:37.30 | Flawless | mishmash: and there's a much easier solution for that |
| 16:37.39 | mishmash | Flawless: how? |
| 16:37.44 | Flawless | mishmash: sec |
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| 16:37.57 | kspath | System-: it would appear you have no VGA? |
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| 16:38.18 | knoppers | can anybody help me? i need lucidasans fonts, where can i get them? which package do i have to install? |
| 16:38.27 | kspath | System-: What sort of system is that? |
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| 16:38.43 | kspath | knoppers: apt-cache search font |
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| 16:38.57 | knoppers | and which of them is it? |
| 16:39.17 | Flawless | mishmash: http://simplythebest.net/info/programming/mysql_root_password.html |
| 16:39.19 | System- | kspath, its an rm machine |
| 16:39.24 | Flawless | mishmash: really, it's in the top 3 hits on google |
| 16:39.29 | System- | not very common lol |
| 16:39.31 | mishmash | lol... |
| 16:39.47 | kspath | System-: rm Are you trying to say it is a Rack Mount machine? |
| 16:39.49 | System- | i get lists and that, but dont know which one it is |
| 16:40.14 | System- | no rm computing, its a company in the uk |
| 16:40.32 | bliss1_ | liable: hi just been through a process of instaling Xen and the final comand before reboot is update-rc.d xend defults 20 21 and update-rc.d xendomains defaults 21 20 but in each case file does not exist does mean I must create these files in ietc/init.d ? |
| 16:40.32 | System- | via technologies |
| 16:41.08 | System- | i can see which one is usb and audio |
| 16:41.20 | kspath | System-: apt-get install hwinfo; hwinfo | grep VGA |
| 16:41.30 | System- | whats that? |
| 16:41.52 | kspath | System-: apt-cache search hwinfo |
| 16:43.11 | ScoobyD00 | i really don't get why if i rebuild my kernel (after applying a vserver security patch) it fails to boot because of RAID issues |
| 16:43.31 | kspath | ScoobyD00: Hi |
| 16:43.35 | ScoobyD00 | hi |
| 16:43.50 | System- | kspath, it says its a vga compatible controller? |
| 16:43.51 | ScoobyD00 | kspath: do you know much about RAID and boot issues? |
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| 16:44.37 | kspath | System-: You tell us. Did you do it yet? |
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| 16:44.37 | System- | :-/ i had i choose vga, when choosing a x server driver |
| 16:44.37 | System- | no kspath, thats what it says |
| 16:44.40 | kspath | ScoobyD00: Sorry, I would be unable to help you with that. |
| 16:44.47 | System- | model: vga compatible controller |
| 16:44.56 | System- | is vga what i choose? |
| 16:45.27 | ScoobyD00 | kpath: thanks for thinking about it :o) |
| 16:45.39 | kspath | System-: Maybe you should choose VESA for now. |
| 16:45.49 | System- | ok |
| 16:46.02 | System- | whats the differenece kspath? |
| 16:46.14 | kspath | System-: Difference? |
| 16:46.24 | System- | actually might have been vesa what i had before :-/ |
| 16:46.45 | kspath | System-: perhaps because your VGA support is quite weak and basic? |
| 16:46.56 | System- | so vesa should work kspath? |
| 16:47.14 | kspath | System-: I do not know of any system that I used recently that did not give me something when I did lspci| grep VGA |
| 16:47.30 | kspath | System-: perhaps try lspci| grep -i VGA |
| 16:47.44 | System- | lspci grep vga works |
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| 16:47.50 | System- | works without the | |
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| 16:48.23 | hikenboot | hello all--can anyone look this over http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=142492829 and tell me what is missing in this strace of base-config i have tried a bunch of things to no evail. |
| 16:49.01 | kspath | System-: Now that is quite odd. |
| 16:49.16 | System- | if it says its a vga compatible controller, is that what i should choose when selecting a x server driver? |
| 16:49.31 | kspath | System-: Choose VESA |
| 16:49.37 | System- | okey |
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| 16:49.49 | stew | this freenode-connect jerk is /versioning me |
| 16:49.52 | kspath | System-: VGA is NOT a brand name or a manufacturer. |
| 16:50.14 | kspath | stew: report it |
| 16:50.36 | cusco | stew: set yout reply to: YOU SUCK |
| 16:50.36 | System- | what happens if vesa doesnt work? think thats what i tried before |
| 16:50.49 | pipeline | System-: Means you have a card from 1994 :P |
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| 16:51.24 | kspath | System-: I have not seen anything broken enough to not support VESA are you sure it is not your monitor that is the problem while VESA and your VGA card are working? |
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| 16:52.09 | kspath | System-: What kind of display/monitor do you have? Are you sure you are not using a terminal on a serial interface? |
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| 16:52.24 | System- | kspath, how do i know my video cards bus indentifier? |
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| 16:52.32 | System- | its a laptop |
| 16:52.40 | Shadowcat | lspci |
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| 16:52.46 | kspath | System-: lspci and/or hwinfo will tell you. |
| 16:52.54 | Supaplex | lspci -X |
| 16:53.03 | System- | how did i exit a configuration then? |
| 16:53.05 | System- | *do |
| 16:53.12 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 16:53.13 | dpkg | pico doesn't deserve to be in debian |
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| 16:53.37 | kspath | Supaplex: VIMsmite Supaplex |
| 16:54.01 | Shadowcat | !vimsmite Supaplex |
| 16:54.06 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 16:54.08 | Shadowcat | !beat Supaplex |
| 16:54.11 | jade | how do folks pronounce nagios, sudo ? |
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| 16:54.25 | jade | nagios and sudo |
| 16:54.31 | jade | sudo = pseudo ? |
| 16:54.36 | Phated | soo-doo. |
| 16:54.39 | ryan` | jade, do. |
| 16:54.40 | ryan` | er |
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| 16:54.49 | ryan` | jade, su do |
| 16:54.51 | kspath | jade: I pronounce them with a ping pong ball in my mouth |
| 16:54.53 | System- | ok i did kspath, i did hwinfo, is the first number the identifier? ie '15' |
| 16:55.03 | jade | nagios ? |
| 16:55.15 | ryan` | i pronounce is sue-doo |
| 16:55.20 | Supaplex | depending on the mood, NAG e ohs |
| 16:55.27 | jade | thanks |
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| 16:55.35 | kspath | System-: Can you type in that one line of hwinfo related to the bus? |
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| 16:55.45 | ryan` | anyone know how to flush the kernel's filesystem read cache? |
| 16:55.59 | Supaplex | ryan`: why? |
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| 16:56.15 | kspath | System-: lspci gives me 0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 16:56.25 | System- | 15: None 00.0 0300 VGA compatible controller (VGA) |
| 16:56.28 | System- | that line? |
| 16:56.36 | kspath | System-: There you go. |
| 16:56.53 | System- | so is 15 the video card bus identifier? |
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| 16:57.04 | yggdrasil | whats up |
| 16:57.16 | Supaplex | a direction |
| 16:57.28 | kspath | System-: no |
| 16:57.35 | ryan` | Supaplex, because it's setting off the low memory reboot in watchdogd, and if i set the threshold to have a wider margin, it does not reboot the box when it actualy runs out of memory. |
| 16:57.40 | System- | oh where it says unique id? |
| 16:57.44 | kspath | System-: None 00.0 |
| 16:57.54 | System- | but they all have that kspath? |
| 16:58.06 | kspath | System-: your system is |
| 16:58.15 | kspath | System-: your system is "different" |
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| 16:58.48 | Supaplex | ryan`: sounds like a design flaw in watchdogd. linux doesn't waste memory. if it's not clever enough to take the cached memory into account, it's bad design. |
| 16:58.58 | System- | kspath, it says ' the busID entered was not in the recognised format' |
| 16:59.05 | System- | i typed in 00.0 |
| 16:59.13 | Supaplex | System-: lspci -X maybe. |
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| 17:00.26 | System- | and what part is the identifier supaplex? |
| 17:01.03 | SatanGolga | heh, what driver should one have if u have an old Matrox 220 AGP-card? |
| 17:01.14 | SatanGolga | X server driver that is |
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| 17:02.29 | gnufan | How bad is "unstable" at the moment, as I note a load more X.org libraries turned up since the topic was changed.... |
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| 17:02.50 | mortal__ | gnufan: bad |
| 17:02.53 | mortal__ | X is very messed up |
| 17:03.04 | yggdrasil | whats the war driving apps |
| 17:03.06 | Supaplex | System-: Identifier "PCI:1:9:0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 2164W [Millennium II]" |
| 17:03.09 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.25 | yggdrasil | my internet got shut off and im looking to find some reliable connections in my nieghoborhod |
| 17:03.31 | Supaplex | the identifier can be just about anything. I usualy keep it verbose because I have multiple cards in this box. |
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| 17:04.33 | System- | supaplex mine says: 0000.01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8636A [ProSavage KN133] AGP4X |
| 17:05.14 | System- | so??? |
| 17:05.15 | freezombie | anyone know roughly when X11R7 will be completely in amd64 sid ? (it's in there partially :S) |
| 17:05.18 | Supaplex | System-: let me make one thing clear. lspci and lspci -X differ. X expects the format that lspci -X provides. (man lspci) |
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| 17:05.24 | hashar | hello there :) |
| 17:05.29 | ryan` | Supaplex: Good point. |
| 17:05.45 | ryan` | I will have to see if i can fix that. |
| 17:05.47 | ryan` | however. |
| 17:06.12 | ryan` | if you use a ramfs, it shows up as buffered/cached memory |
| 17:06.27 | Supaplex | humm |
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| 17:06.30 | System- | :'-( all i need is the bus identifier |
| 17:06.36 | ryan` | which makes things kind of painfull... you can't just subtract the bufferd/cached memory. |
| 17:06.42 | System- | what happens if it is left blank? |
| 17:06.50 | kspath | System-: Is English your first or second or third language? |
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| 17:06.58 | System- | first |
| 17:07.00 | Supaplex | System-: did you run lspci -X ? did you use the -X switch? |
| 17:07.17 | System- | i did lspci -x |
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| 17:07.34 | System- | 1st line read: 0000.01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8636A [ProSavage KN133] AGP4 |
| 17:07.46 | Supaplex | case matters! |
| 17:07.46 | System- | the rest looks like hashes |
| 17:07.48 | ryan` | Supaplex, i suppose the easiey way would be to write a test script that takes the free memory - buffered, then subtracts 5the ramfs usage from that. |
| 17:07.53 | MrParity | hi ho :-) |
| 17:08.03 | MrParity | wow. a lot of people here |
| 17:08.13 | System- | PCI:1.:0:0 |
| 17:08.20 | Supaplex | tada |
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| 17:09.31 | System- | how much memory should my video card use? |
| 17:09.35 | crypt_ex | Where else do modules get called up, before /etc/modules? As I want to stop one of the modules loading. |
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| 17:10.00 | Shadowcat | before /etc/modules? |
| 17:10.06 | Shadowcat | that'd be udev |
| 17:10.10 | Shadowcat | and before that initrd |
| 17:10.21 | crypt_ex | Shadowcat, where would tulip be loaded up? |
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| 17:10.27 | crypt_ex | its not in /etc/modules |
| 17:10.34 | Shadowcat | discover and udev |
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| 17:10.58 | Supaplex | crypt_ex: is it not loading, or loading and you not want it to? |
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| 17:11.08 | stew | crypt_ex: on sarge? |
| 17:11.09 | MrParity | i have a problem while installing debian. debian won't find my hd. imho it's a problem with sata (sis965l). with a more recent kernel version (>= 2.6.10) it should work. is there any bootdisk out there with such an version? |
| 17:11.21 | MrParity | (x64 or x86) |
| 17:11.28 | System- | how do i find out the keyboard model? |
| 17:11.31 | crypt_ex | Supaplex, its loading, but I want it to stop so that my NIC uses a different module that I assign in /etc/modules |
| 17:11.37 | crypt_ex | stew, yes |
| 17:12.05 | stew | crypt_ex: then it is definately not udev, but it might be hotplug or discover |
| 17:12.09 | stew | crypt_ex: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:12.20 | crypt_ex | okay |
| 17:12.21 | blame | my X doesn't start after net install, I do issue init 5 to get X to start, I entered init 5 in rc.local and it works but it isnt right I suppose. How do I tell my system to boot in init 5 mode? |
| 17:12.22 | crypt_ex | ta |
| 17:12.38 | Supaplex | crypt_ex: you can blacklist it, or gzip it (or both). I like the latter, if for somereason I bothered to compile a module at all. |
| 17:13.00 | Shadowcat | actually I let it load |
| 17:13.09 | Shadowcat | and I edit /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 17:13.12 | Shadowcat | it's not rocket science |
| 17:13.20 | crypt_ex | so it fails loading the module tulip? |
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| 17:14.53 | crypt_ex | do I need to reboot now? |
| 17:14.56 | xange | what can I use to extract a group of rar files? I don't have 'unrar' and I can't find it w/apt |
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| 17:15.08 | crypt_ex | or is there a easier/faster way after blacklisting? |
| 17:15.13 | EdT | during the configuration of the fglrx |
| 17:15.26 | EdT | i have to put the bus id of the vga |
| 17:15.35 | crypt_ex | xange, non-free |
| 17:15.43 | abrotman | don't use the busid unless oyu have two cards or a mac |
| 17:15.45 | crypt_ex | xange, unrar is available |
| 17:15.48 | EdT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:15.57 | abrotman | no .. leave it blank |
| 17:16.04 | kspath | abrotman: I have both |
| 17:16.15 | alph0s | ok. |
| 17:16.18 | abrotman | kspath: you're a worm ? |
| 17:16.55 | kspath | abrotman: hehehe I have a multi-head system and I have a separate mac |
| 17:17.03 | Shadowcat | !beat kspath |
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| 17:17.05 | abrotman | kill the mac! |
| 17:17.16 | Shadowcat | abrotman: even worse, kspath has an Intel mac ;) |
| 17:17.16 | kspath | abrotman: The mac is an iBook running deb |
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| 17:17.18 | Shadowcat | with SLI |
| 17:17.22 | ctx144k | hello all |
| 17:17.27 | xange | blah non-free |
| 17:17.32 | kspath | Shadowcat: It is G3 700 Mhz iBook |
| 17:17.36 | ctx144k | anyone use kde3.5.0 from backports? |
| 17:17.53 | ctx144k | are there any known bugs? |
| 17:18.05 | abrotman | probably |
| 17:18.10 | Shadowcat | I use KDE 3.5.2 from unstable |
| 17:18.12 | ctx144k | for example the cash in kicker? |
| 17:18.19 | kspath | So I am being told to kill an iBook running debian on #debian? That seems odd. |
| 17:18.32 | ctx144k | i want use stable |
| 17:18.36 | Shadowcat | kspath: abrotman wants Windows on it |
| 17:18.55 | kspath | Shadowcat: windows running apache and php likely |
| 17:19.24 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure i could die a happy man if gentoo and kde died in a car crash together :) |
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| 17:19.54 | kspath | abrotman: I would be ok with that if GNOME and xfce were in the car also |
| 17:20.14 | abrotman | i like gnome .. |
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| 17:20.32 | kspath | abrotman: You look like a gnome? |
| 17:21.11 | nvz | @.@ |
| 17:21.12 | abrotman | kspath: gnomes don't get to wear umbrella hat |
| 17:21.12 | abrotman | s |
| 17:21.13 | kspath | Do people using GNOME type with their feet? |
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| 17:21.34 | kspath | I always wondered that due to GNOME foot symbol. |
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| 17:21.55 | nvz | its hard to read normal words after goonulating tax forms |
| 17:22.42 | ryan` | ugh |
| 17:22.45 | kspath | Shadowcat: dang it! now all my M$ tvs have blue screen |
| 17:22.49 | ryan` | tax forms... |
| 17:22.52 | ryan` | evil. |
| 17:22.56 | nvz | yep |
| 17:23.10 | nvz | I cant even figure out which form to look at |
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| 17:23.15 | SatanGolga | why can i just choose 800x600 and 400x600 although i have 1280x1024 in the config? |
| 17:23.25 | kspath | ryan`: less evil and IRS goons crawling up your ****. |
| 17:23.35 | ryan` | I had to do the capital gains form this year |
| 17:23.36 | kspath | -and +than |
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| 17:23.44 | ryan` | wow, that form is a PITA. |
| 17:23.59 | nvz | the most logical seems to be that PA-1 but I dont own any property or vehicles registered in this state all I got is a few W-2s back from this state |
| 17:24.02 | kspath | ryan`: Funny I thought those at the capital were making sure only they got any gains. |
| 17:24.13 | ryan` | they have a 20someodd step worksheet you have to fill out. |
| 17:24.20 | nvz | the form had like 8 boxes and none of them seemed to relate :P |
| 17:24.38 | ryan` | kspath, interestingly captial gains are taxed at a lower rate then most other income. |
| 17:24.39 | hyksos | hi, someone knows a tool to create network-plans like ms-visio can do? instead of dia |
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| 17:24.56 | arawn | Hi, |
| 17:25.03 | ryan` | hyksos, I used graphviz to make a map of my network. |
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| 17:25.20 | arawn | Excuse me, maybe I have a security problem in my Debian, |
| 17:25.23 | pipeline | hyksos: dia is about it. Nothing really comes c lose to visio, if that's what you're hoping for. |
| 17:25.37 | kspath | ryan`: I love how money that has already be taxed gets taxed again and again. |
| 17:25.38 | arawn | I have 2 users : toto1 ans toto2 |
| 17:25.41 | hyksos | ryan` :is it easy to use for the first time, or must i spend time to manage it? |
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| 17:26.04 | mejo | hello |
| 17:26.07 | arawn | I have created users with "adduser" |
| 17:26.09 | ryan` | hyksos, the syntax is really easy to pick up. |
| 17:26.24 | hyksos | i will look at, thanks |
| 17:26.34 | ryan` | kspath, I spoke with an IRS agent on the phone this morning (I made a minor typo on my 1040). She was actully very nice and helpful. |
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| 17:26.49 | arawn | the right on folder /home/toto1 and /homme/toto2 is drwxr-xr-- |
| 17:27.02 | arawn | toto1 can read toto2 files ! |
| 17:27.02 | nvz | I cant find the 1040 anywhere on the website or just the normal fucking tax booklet |
| 17:27.04 | asymptote | my installer thought my disk was /dev/hda, but the kernel it installs thinks it's /dev/sda. I can't find what init script I need to change. Any ideas? |
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| 17:27.22 | ryan` | nvz, there's a fill-in pdf that you can save and print on the irs website. |
| 17:27.25 | arawn | Can you help me ? |
| 17:27.26 | mathieup_ | hi |
| 17:27.45 | nvz | ryan`: bah I went to the state website and its shitty and hard to navigate |
| 17:27.45 | mathieup_ | Someone to help me to connect my WM5 smartphone to my debian? |
| 17:27.46 | kspath | nvz: there might also be some at your local post office and/or library. |
| 17:27.54 | ryan` | nvz, heh. |
| 17:28.00 | hyksos | ryan` :hmm, it seemed not to be specialized or build for creating netplans |
| 17:28.16 | ryan` | hyksos, it's not, but i find it to work well. |
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| 17:28.57 | hyksos | ryan` :are there pictures for e.g. pc router and so on, already there? |
| 17:29.22 | nvz | kspath: the damn liquor store used to carry them, cause its a state owned store.. where as the post office is federal and only carries federal forms. for some reason while I was away they stopped doing that.. and I never go to the town where the state legislators office is |
| 17:29.33 | ryan` | nvz, my dad is a CPA and my uncle works for the california franchise tax board maintaining thier mainframes running COBOL software, hehe. |
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| 17:29.37 | ryan` | hyksos: no. |
| 17:29.46 | mejo | after upgrading to xorg 7.0, <ctrl>+<alt>+<FX> does not work any more in X. in other words, i'm not able to switch from X to a virtual console. |
| 17:29.53 | EdT | I installed the package fglrx-driver |
| 17:30.02 | mortal__ | mejo: old |
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| 17:30.13 | ryan` | plenty of people besides the government getting piles of cash off taxes. |
| 17:30.14 | ryan` | heh |
| 17:30.16 | Firehand | mejo: apt-get install xkb-data |
| 17:30.24 | EdT | but X doesnt find that module |
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| 17:30.34 | mejo | mortal__: what do you mean with old? |
| 17:30.38 | mortal__ | it is known |
| 17:30.39 | mortal__ | already |
| 17:30.40 | mejo | Firehand: xkb-data is installed. |
| 17:30.44 | mejo | mortal__: and a fix? |
| 17:30.50 | Firehand | mejo: restart X then? |
| 17:30.50 | mathieup_ | Nobody to help me? |
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| 17:30.53 | omi | Hello all, I create a debian image using DEBOOTSTRAP, interfaces/networking, hostname, hosts,fstab; BUT the system never gets past INIT 1 |
| 17:30.56 | omi | any ideas |
| 17:31.03 | ryan` | nvz, try and do them feb or march next year. so much less stressful. |
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| 17:31.05 | Firehand | mejo: all i needed to do was install it and restart X and it was working |
| 17:31.11 | omi | INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 17:31.15 | omi | INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 17:31.31 | leikh | I have an old isa sound card with opti 82c929a chipset (also a crystal cs423/a-kl on the board). Is there a driver for this ancient beast? |
| 17:31.33 | mejo | Firehand: i've restarted X several times, but still it doesn't work. |
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| 17:31.39 | ryan` | omi, you might have an initrd issue. |
| 17:31.45 | nvz | ryan`: yeah well I did my federal already and got the money, but the state owes me some cash too.. |
| 17:31.57 | ryan` | ah. |
| 17:32.01 | Firehand | mejo: whats your keyboard setting in xorg.conf? |
| 17:32.09 | omi | ryan`, I think I'm supposed to run base-config within chroot, but it fails |
| 17:32.13 | nvz | ryan`: where I am I got until Monday. some people got until Tuesday or mid summer depending on where you are |
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| 17:32.18 | omi | Terminated is the only thing that it prints |
| 17:32.24 | prock | is there a way to 'turn off' my tty? I want to 'ssh -t' somewhere, then turn off my tty, then execute something, then turn it back on...? |
| 17:32.46 | Firehand | mejo: Option "XkbRules" "xorg", see if you have this instead of xfree86 |
| 17:32.54 | ryan` | prock: no |
| 17:33.14 | mejo | Firehand: Driver "kbd" \n Option "CoreKeyboard" \n Option "XkbRules" "xorg" \n Option "XkbModel" "pc105" \n |
| 17:33.14 | nvz | ryan`: I finally found the 1040EZ on irs website so thats what I need for a simple individual return afaicr |
| 17:33.21 | mejo | Firehand: yes, i have that one. |
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| 17:33.54 | Firehand | mejo: then i have no idea, sorry |
| 17:33.54 | ryan` | ok, i've got work to do. |
| 17:33.58 | SatanGolga | how can i change the screen resolution to 1280x1024 manually? |
| 17:34.20 | nvz | yeah me too, printing tax forms, locating w-2s.. yay |
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| 17:34.26 | arawn | Who help me, I have a security problem on my debian |
| 17:34.27 | proof | hi all |
| 17:34.28 | arawn | plz .... |
| 17:34.31 | arawn | plz ... |
| 17:34.52 | Ronin | no need to nag arawn |
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| 17:35.05 | proof | i have a problem with my ALTGR key after upgrading to xorg 7 (swiss german layout) |
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| 17:35.24 | Firehand | proof: have you xkb-data installed? |
| 17:35.44 | proof | not yet |
| 17:35.48 | Firehand | then do it ::) |
| 17:35.55 | proof | Firehand: not yet, in progress ;.) |
| 17:36.02 | Firehand | :) |
| 17:36.09 | proof | ok, fine, have to check this |
| 17:36.12 | proof | thx alot! |
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| 17:37.36 | proof | Firehand: it works, thx alot! |
| 17:37.44 | factor | I just updated the ustable version, and recompiled the nvidia driver but it si not working in Xorg as it was before, is this a common problem? |
| 17:37.45 | mejo | but the biggest problem with xorg 7.0 is, that my ~/.xsession script is ignored now. the login simply restarts xdm, instead of starting icewm as configured in ~/.xsession |
| 17:38.05 | Firehand | proof: np |
| 17:38.48 | freezombie | while you're talking about Xorg 7, does anyone know when it will be completely in amd64 sid ? |
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| 17:39.17 | factor | are oots of people having problems with xorg7 as of late? |
| 17:39.26 | factor | s/oots/lots |
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| 17:39.37 | Ronin | factor: no not at all, just everyone running unstable i think :) |
| 17:39.50 | factor | what is going on? |
| 17:39.58 | factor | I cant get mine to work |
| 17:40.02 | freezombie | hehe in amd64 at least all xserver-xorg-video- packages are missing |
| 17:40.03 | Ronin | factor: /topic |
| 17:40.07 | leikh | are there any tools for installing isa sound cards? |
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| 17:40.41 | Firehand | leikh: iirc isaconf or pnpconf... i can hardly remember the time having isa cards :) |
| 17:40.52 | factor | does it work at all? |
| 17:41.03 | Firehand | factor: yeah |
| 17:41.04 | factor | or just diffrent? xorg 7 |
| 17:41.05 | Ronin | dont know, i dont run unstable |
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| 17:41.32 | freezombie | factor: it shouldn't be much difference as it is the same codebase as 6.9, whcih alpready was in sid |
| 17:41.34 | leikh | Firehand: what is iirc? |
| 17:41.38 | Firehand | factor: i had yesterday some trouble with keyboard layout, gtk application crashing and composite beeing extremly unstable... however this is gone now |
| 17:41.40 | Ronin | if i recall correctly |
| 17:41.46 | freezombie | leikh if i remember coreetly - iirc |
| 17:42.05 | freezombie | correctly* |
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| 17:42.19 | leikh | freezombie: ok, i see :-) |
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| 17:42.48 | lpb-oberon | hi i am not able to access cups via http://192.168.6.13:631/printers/obi's_printer but it works with local host |
| 17:43.08 | simonrvn | they're different addresses |
| 17:43.08 | lpb-oberon | i have added Allow 192.168.*.* to cupsd.conf |
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| 17:43.31 | simonrvn | localhost == 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:43.49 | lpb-oberon | simonrvn: so what do i have to do to access cups via the normal network? |
| 17:43.52 | factor | I cant get it to work at all, it is not reading my nivida driver |
| 17:44.01 | lpb-oberon | so that other people can use my printer as well? |
| 17:44.11 | simonrvn | edit the Listen option |
| 17:44.21 | factor | it tells me it cant find driver "nvidia" when it is there |
| 17:44.29 | lpb-oberon | change to waht?! |
| 17:44.36 | simonrvn | /etc/cups/cups.d/ |
| 17:44.37 | freezombie | factor reinstall the driver |
| 17:44.41 | factor | I did |
| 17:44.44 | simonrvn | that's where you RTFM |
| 17:44.46 | factor | I recompiled it even |
| 17:44.49 | lpb-oberon | i isn't 631 the default port? |
| 17:45.09 | freezombie | maybe nVidia doesn't support Xorg7 yet... did you download the newest release ? |
| 17:45.30 | factor | recompiled install etc.. the NVIDIA.run script does that. |
| 17:45.42 | factor | humm. |
| 17:45.44 | factor | I think so |
| 17:45.45 | lpb-oberon | thx simonrvn :) |
| 17:45.50 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:45.56 | factor | just checked a few weeks ago no new ones. |
| 17:46.00 | factor | I will check again. |
| 17:46.34 | simonrvn | lpb-oberon: it does take more than one "Listen" FYI |
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| 17:47.28 | lpb-oberon | FYI ?! |
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| 17:47.40 | freezombie | factor You should be able to live without acceleration for a while ... |
| 17:47.43 | simonrvn | !fyi |
| 17:47.44 | dpkg | fyi is probably For Your Information |
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| 17:48.05 | alfatau | hello, i've to launch a script on a remote machine which takes a long time to be executed, so i have to keep my machine connected and turned on because i'm running the script by a ssh session. what can i do? |
| 17:48.10 | factor | looks like a new version is available |
| 17:48.12 | factor | cool |
| 17:48.18 | factor | hope that fixes it |
| 17:48.28 | factor | lynx rocks :) |
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| 17:48.53 | jor | alfatau: the 'nohup' command can help with that |
| 17:49.00 | power1 | On a standard debian postfix install " apt-get install postfix " whats the easiest way to create "maildir" for users and is there a way to have the directory created when a new user is added? |
| 17:49.17 | lepton | maildirmake |
| 17:49.24 | freezombie | factor links2 rocka more (sais a man with no X at all) |
| 17:49.30 | alfatau | jor: thank you |
| 17:49.54 | factor | looks like this version actualy add a lot of cool hardware stuff to that would be nice. glx |
| 17:50.05 | power1 | lepton, yes I know the command but i dont feel like doing that manually for every user. |
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| 17:50.42 | asymptote | am I not supposed to use apt to get the source for my kernel version? |
| 17:51.06 | factor | links is nice for view but I have problems with downloading files from links, lynx is simple and gets it done. |
| 17:51.08 | nvz | lpb-oberon: the correct syntax was !FYI? not FYI ?! :P |
| 17:51.09 | factor | heh |
| 17:51.18 | lepton | power1: then add it to /etc/skel |
| 17:51.30 | freezombie | asymptote you can get the source from apt, but it won't be the most recent one |
| 17:51.33 | simonrvn | nvz: heh heh |
| 17:51.50 | asymptote | freezombie, I'll say... I can choose between 2.4.27 and 2.2.25... |
| 17:51.51 | lpb-oberon | nvz: i am sorry for beeing lame:( - but it is working now:) |
| 17:52.08 | simonrvn | lpb-oberon: \o/ |
| 17:52.12 | lepton | power1: man useradd or adduser (damn confusing that there are two such commands btw) |
| 17:52.15 | freezombie | asymptote that sounds like you are on woody? |
| 17:53.06 | asymptote | I installed from etch |
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| 17:53.37 | power1 | lepton, thanks.. |
| 17:53.39 | Karat3 | can they please unban me in debian.de again please :/ |
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| 17:53.46 | freezombie | asymptote on etch you should have a 2.6 kernel available... which architecture are you on? |
| 17:53.50 | asymptote | x86 |
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| 17:53.53 | abrotman | Karat3: woh banned you there? |
| 17:53.54 | asymptote | I have a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:54.03 | asymptote | apt just doesn't see any sources for it |
| 17:54.04 | Karat3 | dont remember |
| 17:54.09 | nvz | abrotman: note "again" :P |
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| 17:54.14 | factor | ok lets see if that worked. |
| 17:54.22 | Ronin | unban you again? |
| 17:54.26 | Karat3 | just because i trolled just a little bit around... |
| 17:54.30 | abrotman | Karat3: ask nforcer .. that's who banned you |
| 17:54.58 | Karat3 | abrotman: what is the eact nick? |
| 17:54.58 | Ronin | and stop doing what ever it is to get banned |
| 17:55.03 | abrotman | Karat3: yes |
| 17:55.09 | abrotman | --- #debian.de Banlist: Tue Apr 11 13:31:12 *!*n=edrin@*.adsl.alicedsl.de NForcer!n=nforcer@metaldreams.de |
| 17:55.21 | freezombie | asymptote apt-cache search kernerl-source ? |
| 17:55.22 | Karat3 | ok, he is not online yer? |
| 17:55.28 | abrotman | no idea .. not my problem |
| 17:55.33 | Karat3 | k, thx |
| 17:55.46 | argent | Karat3: send him a memo |
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| 17:56.02 | factor | humm did not work . will reboot to see if anything happens, be back in a few |
| 17:56.03 | argent | Karat3: and try changing your username |
| 17:56.14 | abrotman | argent: don't tell him that |
| 17:56.24 | abrotman | Myon: ping |
| 17:56.26 | simonrvn | @lart argent |
| 17:56.30 | Myon | abrotman: pong |
| 17:56.30 | asymptote | freezombie, same two kernels, plus some modules. |
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| 17:56.43 | asymptote | freezombie, do I need to do something to remind apt what version I'm on? |
| 17:56.46 | abrotman | Myon: is there a good reason Karat3 is asking us to get him unbanned in #debian.de? |
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| 17:56.56 | abrotman | Myon: nforcer put the ban in place |
| 17:57.07 | Ronin | abrotman: unbanned again was the part i got a chuckle over |
| 17:57.08 | power1 | can some1 tell me why the time from "top" is correct but in the logfiles its wrong by 2 hours? |
| 17:57.13 | abrotman | Ronin: no kidding |
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| 17:57.42 | Myon | abrotman: he kept trolling around (using a different nick), not too badly, but still annoying |
| 17:57.53 | abrotman | Myon: so he has no hope to get unbanned? |
| 17:57.57 | simonrvn | /msg some1: No such nick/channel |
| 17:58.09 | nostZZZZZ | how do i disable ssh for a user? i tried passing /sbin/noshell as shell but ftp stops working after that :/ |
| 17:58.16 | Myon | and he has the habit of talking English there despite being asked not to several times |
| 17:58.16 | Karat3 | i am not an evil troll |
| 17:58.29 | abrotman | smell like an evil troll |
| 17:58.37 | leikh | freezombie: or, i don't see... is iirc a dpkg? |
| 17:58.41 | abrotman | nostZZZZZ: use /bin/false .. and add that to /etc/shells |
| 17:58.42 | Myon | not evil, but annoying |
| 17:58.43 | simonrvn | they're farts are even worse |
| 17:58.43 | Karat3 | Myon: but i stopped doing that after my last ban |
| 17:58.48 | nvz | lets not talk about trolls |
| 17:58.54 | abrotman | let's talk about yinzers! |
| 17:58.55 | simonrvn | their* |
| 17:59.01 | nostZZZZZ | abrotman, right, /etc/shells :| totally forgot about that |
| 17:59.03 | nostZZZZZ | thanks |
| 17:59.07 | Myon | Karat3: well, look at the first line in the /query you just sent me |
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| 17:59.10 | nostZZZZZ | wth is up with my nick anyways |
| 17:59.17 | abrotman | Myon: show us! |
| 17:59.23 | abrotman | Myon: btw .. sorry to bother you with this :) |
| 17:59.29 | Myon | 19:57 <Karat3> can you unban me :) |
| 17:59.29 | Myon | 19:57 <Karat3> darf ich wieder rein? |
| 17:59.40 | nvz | abrotman: yeah .. how about I am standing in the middle of sewickley yesturday afternoon and a chubby little yinzer kid crashes through an 8ft glass window of a storefront |
| 17:59.53 | Myon | abrotman: np |
| 17:59.57 | abrotman | nvz: did you push him? |
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| 18:00.01 | simonrvn | nvz: holy |
| 18:00.02 | matadon | Hrm...still haven't figured out if this is possible; can I build (from the Debian sources) python2.4-minimal *only* out of python2.4? As in, I don't want to build python2.4-tk or any of the X dependent stuff... |
| 18:00.07 | Karat3 | Myon: but that is a privat message, there should be english allowed, no? |
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| 18:00.47 | leikh | Firehand: is iirc a debian package? |
| 18:00.52 | mejo | since the upgrade to xorg 7.0, xdm ignores my ~/.xsession script. is that known? |
| 18:00.52 | Myon | Karat3: normally yes. but not when I asked you to try to stick to the right language about 5 times before |
| 18:01.07 | nvz | abrotman: no he took hhis friend's duffle bag and ran down the street with it.. and they were kid of wrestling over it and get cut loose and crashed into the window at Party Antz .. they were closed at the time, so I had to call the police and the owner |
| 18:01.13 | Myon | so not using German shows that you are not serious about that request |
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| 18:01.28 | abrotman | nvz: were you drunk? |
| 18:01.33 | nvz | abrotman: no |
| 18:01.40 | abrotman | was the chubby kid? |
| 18:01.42 | Karat3 | Myon: gn, das war doch nur ne privat msg und das deutsch hab ich nur geschrieben, weil ich dann deine beschwerde darüber erst gelesen hab! |
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| 18:01.49 | nvz | abrotman: its not legal to be drunk in the park in sewickley |
| 18:01.50 | Myon | abrotman: are you going to debconf after all? |
| 18:01.50 | abrotman | don't speak german in here! |
| 18:01.59 | abrotman | Myon: probably not .. i fear retribution |
| 18:02.18 | simonrvn | i fear distribution |
| 18:02.19 | nvz | abrotman: or anywhere else in sewickley for that matter.. but especially not in the woycott park right in the middle of town |
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| 18:02.21 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 18:02.25 | abrotman | Myon: admittedly .. i still could for part of it .. but not the last part .. i have baseball tickets .. and i will not miss that game :) |
| 18:02.30 | abrotman | !dict retribution |
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| 18:02.32 | dpkg | Dictionary 'retribution' (3 of 9): a justly deserved penalty [syn: {requital}] ;; Retribution \Ret`ri*bu"tion\, n. [L. retributio: cf. F. r['e]tribution.] 1. The act of retributing; repayment. ;; All who have their reward on earth, . . . Naught seeking but the praise of men, here find Fit retribution, empty as their deeds. --Milton.. |
| 18:02.36 | leikh | Firehand: or perhaps the debian tutorial... |
| 18:02.43 | Myon | ic |
| 18:02.57 | abrotman | Myon: i think peters will pay them to kidnap me! |
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| 18:03.05 | unity | hello, does anyone know which package contains perl package LWP::Simple ? |
| 18:03.05 | simonrvn | yay |
| 18:03.06 | Myon | I wouldn't say baseball was an excuse, but you should know ;) |
| 18:03.07 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 18:03.08 | abrotman | Myon: but i still could go for a weekend |
| 18:03.13 | abrotman | Myon: but it's the Red Sox! |
| 18:03.19 | abrotman | Myon: and i'm going with stew! |
| 18:03.43 | Myon | .oO(he's my NM) |
| 18:03.46 | simonrvn | uh oh |
| 18:03.46 | brotherJohn1234 | unity: libwww-perl |
| 18:03.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:04.10 | abrotman | peterS: get out of bed already! |
| 18:04.16 | StyXman | hi all. I'm running sarge, and upgrading mailman w/ the latest update I get some problems. mm complains the there are mails in the queue, and that I should empty it running some command, but it doesn work. the upgrade keeps complaining about mails in the queue. any hints? |
| 18:04.20 | simonrvn | peterS: ping |
| 18:04.27 | unity | brotherJohn1234: thanks. for future reference, do you know where i can look up which debian package has a particular perl package? |
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| 18:04.32 | Firehand | leikh: neither one... :) /dev/brain was it :) |
| 18:04.39 | abrotman | StyXman: are they in the uhm .. "broken" queue? |
| 18:04.39 | power1 | Ive got a strange problem.... system time is correct, all the logfiles get the right time entry except /var/log/messages when an entry pops up in there its time is 2 hours behind.....????? |
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| 18:05.25 | simonrvn | power1: do you have a user there that has set their own TZ? that's normal if so |
| 18:05.26 | brotherJohn1234 | unity: try http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 18:05.26 | abrotman | StyXman: in the 'shunt' directory |
| 18:05.30 | stew | unity: setup apt-file: /msg dpkg apt-file ; then apt-file search LWP/Simple.pm |
| 18:05.33 | abrotman | Myon: it's possible i could still go .. |
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| 18:05.49 | StyXman | abrotman: `shunt´ queue |
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| 18:05.52 | abrotman | Myon: i wasn't asking for a room from Debian .. so i'm not sure that's an issue |
| 18:05.55 | asymptote | so apt says "package kernel-source-2.6.8 is not available", but I can see it on the filesystem of the mirror listed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:06.04 | asymptote | is there something else I need to do? |
| 18:06.13 | abrotman | StyXman: happened to me the other day .. they're ones that mailman had some problem with .. how many are there? |
| 18:06.14 | power1 | simonrvn, no users created yet, im ssh'd in as root |
| 18:06.24 | Myon | hmm, the room allocation is in progress |
| 18:06.31 | unity | stew: thank you |
| 18:06.39 | StyXman | abrotman: 0- |
| 18:06.41 | abrotman | asymptote: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 18:06.45 | StyXman | abrotman: 90 |
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| 18:06.49 | abrotman | StyXman: that's a lot .. |
| 18:06.50 | Myon | so it could be too late |
| 18:06.53 | abrotman | StyXman: how old are they |
| 18:06.56 | StyXman | abrotman: busy ML |
| 18:06.59 | abrotman | Myon: no . i was going to pay for my own room .. |
| 18:07.00 | asymptote | abrotman, no output |
| 18:07.11 | abrotman | Myon: basically .. there just needed to be a room available at the place for me to pay for |
| 18:07.23 | StyXman | abrotman: 40 days max |
| 18:07.27 | abrotman | asymptote: are you running sarge? |
| 18:07.45 | abrotman | StyXman: but they're pretty new? .. i basically just deleted all of mine .. and finished the upgrade |
| 18:07.57 | lordnazgul | does anyone know of a way to recover the data on a usb jump drive if the partition was deleted. nothing has been written to it since, not even a new partition or format? |
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| 18:08.16 | StyXman | abrotman: 5 in the last 3 days |
| 18:08.19 | simonrvn | power1: well, check it out, maybe the message got delayed in writing, or some other thing. *shrug*. just make sure it isn't something harmful. |
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| 18:08.52 | abrotman | StyXman: i know you're not supposed to just can those .. but well .. i didn't care enough :) |
| 18:08.53 | power1 | simonrvn, thanks I guess <grin> |
| 18:09.03 | leikh | Firehand: are you pulling my leg? |
| 18:09.04 | factor | nope the upgrade in thte nvidia driver did not resolve the issue for xorg 7.0 |
| 18:09.19 | factor | still says it cant find "nvidia" driver |
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| 18:09.30 | StyXman | abrotman: what about moving out, upgrading, moving in? |
| 18:09.30 | simonrvn | power1: it set off my alarm bells |
| 18:09.45 | abrotman | StyXman: uhm .. you could try it .. not sure what will happen |
| 18:09.56 | StyXman | abrotman: ok, let's see :) |
| 18:10.07 | tuxBR | i'm testing my imp protocol using telnet localhost 143, de capabilities are: [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED], how can i add the AUTH=LOGIN capability????/ |
| 18:10.08 | charolastra | hi everyone |
| 18:10.11 | simonrvn | factor: what says that? |
| 18:10.19 | factor | xorg 7.0 |
| 18:10.28 | simonrvn | the x server? |
| 18:10.37 | stew | tuxBR: which imap server? |
| 18:10.52 | tuxBR | uw-imapd |
| 18:10.52 | factor | simonrvn:I have the latest drivers and editited the xorg file to find nvidia instead of nv |
| 18:11.13 | simonrvn | factor: is it loaded (lsmod | less)? |
| 18:11.27 | factor | it is a xorg module not a kernel module |
| 18:11.39 | power1 | simonrvn, u think its been hacked,,,and some1 has messed with the logs.....? |
| 18:11.50 | tuxBR | stew: do you know? |
| 18:11.53 | simonrvn | yes, of course it is |
| 18:11.56 | factor | heh |
| 18:11.56 | stew | tuxBR: not for uw-imap |
| 18:11.59 | abrotman | !tell power1 about u |
| 18:12.01 | abrotman | !tell power1 about some1 |
| 18:12.06 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:12.21 | simonrvn | power1: no, this to make sure nothing bad happened. don't get excited :) |
| 18:12.26 | stevo_inc | Hey guys, does 'sid' currently have updates that come from security.debian.org, or are they posted directly to the regular sources? (ie. Do they bypass security.debian.org since it's development?) |
| 18:12.40 | dpm | if I want to recompile a package with different compilation switches, I cannot use 'apt-get -b source <package>', can I? Is there a way I can do this (I mean compiling with different options and generating a new package automatically)? |
| 18:12.48 | tuxBR | stew:would you know another imap server ? |
| 18:12.51 | mejo | wenn ich mich in xdm einlogge, wird xdm einfach neu gestartet. |
| 18:13.01 | mejo | sorry, wrong channel |
| 18:13.01 | power1 | simonrvn, ......lol....im cool,,,,,,, |
| 18:13.03 | stevo_inc | I get 404 errors when I perform an update (from security.debian.org that is) for sid. |
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| 18:13.04 | Coweater | stevo_inc: any security fixes get incorporated through new versions |
| 18:13.06 | stew | stevo_inc: there are no security updates for unstable. but since the packages get updated so frequently they hopefully get the security fixes in a timely manner but it depends on the maintainer |
| 18:13.09 | mortal__ | mejo: dann hast du ein problem |
| 18:13.09 | simonrvn | factor: add ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia" to xorg.conf |
| 18:13.14 | factor | k |
| 18:13.16 | factor | thanks |
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| 18:13.30 | stevo_inc | Coweater, stew: thanks! |
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| 18:13.39 | stew | tuxBR: i'd know for courier |
| 18:13.49 | mejo | mortal__: yes, a big one |
| 18:13.52 | stew | tuxBR: i don't, however necessarily recommend courier |
| 18:13.55 | simonrvn | maybe i should finish my coffee |
| 18:14.04 | stew | i should maybe make some more coffee |
| 18:14.24 | abrotman | stevo_inc: sid has gets security updates when the maintainer uploads a new package that fixes the problem |
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| 18:14.38 | abrotman | (which brings up a point about MIA maintainers .. and insecure packagse) |
| 18:14.45 | simonrvn | quite |
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| 18:15.03 | abrotman | we should go tell ajt! |
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| 18:15.28 | StyXman | abrotman: seems like it worked |
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| 18:15.34 | narff | which command can give my file size in bytes? |
| 18:15.37 | abrotman | StyXman: ok .. carry on :) |
| 18:15.41 | abrotman | narff: man ls |
| 18:15.45 | marv1 | narff: du |
| 18:15.52 | StyXman | abrotman: tx |
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| 18:15.55 | factor | simonrvn:I have no lib or dir by that name. it is located in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/driver/nvidia_drv |
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| 18:16.04 | abrotman | or rather .. i thouhgt ls could do bytes |
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| 18:16.52 | mbuf | hi, how can i make an application start on a particular workspace, say 3 ? |
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| 18:17.01 | factor | simonrvn:and that mod path is already in teh xorg.conf |
| 18:17.16 | moshii | mbuf: depends on what desktop you're using |
| 18:17.33 | moshii | mbuf: with kde you do it the control centre ... |
| 18:17.52 | simonrvn | factor: oh it got moved. i guess you have a more recent version installed. is it there? and what's your xorg log say about it? |
| 18:17.55 | mbuf | moshii, debian sarge with gnome |
| 18:18.20 | charolastra | i'm running sid and just wanted to upgrade to Xorg for the first time but it seems that xserver-xorg depends on x11-common (>= 7.0.0-0ubuntu3); which is not in sid ... what could i do now? |
| 18:18.32 | moshii | mbuf: ah, haven't used gnome in a long long time |
| 18:18.33 | factor | simonrvn:it says no driver "nvidia" exist. |
| 18:18.40 | mbuf | moshii, like when i login and gnome starts, say i need to have firefox opened in workspace 1, terminal in workspace 2, etc. |
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| 18:19.45 | mejo | X doesn't use my .xsession file any more ;-( |
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| 18:20.11 | stew | charolastra: you are having problems mixing a ubuntu install with a sid install which we would not support here and likely #ubuntu wouldn't want to either, you need to pick a distro and stick with it |
| 18:20.29 | stew | mejo: on sid? |
| 18:20.34 | mejo | stew: yes |
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| 18:20.51 | charolastra | stew: you see, i never touched ubuntu |
| 18:20.51 | stew | mejo: gravity was uploading a patch for that last night, it should be fixed today or tomorrow |
| 18:21.02 | mejo | stew: which package? |
| 18:21.08 | stew | mejo: xbase-clients iirc |
| 18:21.15 | mathieup_ | how to connect my windows mobile 5 phone to ma linux through USB? |
| 18:21.15 | factor | (EE)Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist,0) is the actual line it gives |
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| 18:22.29 | mejo | stew: it's not in incoming. |
| 18:22.30 | simonrvn | factor: and it's in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/driver/ ? (nvidia_drv.so) |
| 18:22.44 | charolastra | stew: look for yourself and see that it depends on this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg |
| 18:22.46 | stew | mejo: he might not have gotten the uplaod prepared lastnight |
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| 18:22.51 | stew | charolastra: oh, i'm sorry |
| 18:23.07 | charolastra | np |
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| 18:23.15 | stew | charolastra: so then what is the problem? |
| 18:23.17 | simonrvn | couldn't be/ it'd be in "drivers/" |
| 18:23.21 | factor | simonrvn:yes both files. nvidia_drv.o .so |
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| 18:23.24 | Jabberwock | i heard slackware is best distro. dis true pls |
| 18:23.31 | stew | !info x11-common sid |
| 18:23.38 | dpkg | x11-common: (X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 360 kB |
| 18:23.39 | simonrvn | s#/#,# |
| 18:23.51 | stew | charolastra: ^^^^ a newer version than 7.0.0-0ubuntu3 is available |
| 18:23.56 | Jabberwock | !info `cat /etc/passwd` slink |
| 18:24.07 | simonrvn | right |
| 18:24.16 | simonrvn | Jabberwock: now please go away |
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| 18:24.23 | Jabberwock | don't hairess me. |
| 18:24.24 | factor | right srivers |
| 18:24.25 | factor | heh |
| 18:24.27 | factor | drivers |
| 18:24.29 | Jabberwock | I'm testing the stability of your bot. |
| 18:24.32 | charolastra | hmm |
| 18:24.42 | simonrvn | Jabberwock: you're testing my patience |
| 18:24.43 | stew | Jabberwock: if you want to play with the bot, please do it in /msg or in #debian-bots |
| 18:24.57 | Jabberwock | simonrvn: You're an op aren't you |
| 18:24.59 | simonrvn | and it's "harass" |
| 18:25.09 | Jabberwock | Yes but I was spelling it how george bush pronounces it |
| 18:25.10 | simonrvn | actually, it's harrass |
| 18:25.11 | Jabberwock | ya tard |
| 18:25.30 | stew | Jabberwock: unless you have any debian related questions, please move on |
| 18:25.38 | Jabberwock | I do. How do I revert to slink? |
| 18:25.41 | Jabberwock | Or potato |
| 18:25.42 | stew | Jabberwock: you can't |
| 18:25.47 | Jabberwock | well.. bye |
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| 18:27.16 | simonrvn | factor: could paste to me in /msg what you have for ModulePath in your xorg.conf? (or use paster) |
| 18:27.18 | simonrvn | !paster |
| 18:27.19 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 18:30.01 | factor | here is the line ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" |
| 18:30.15 | factor | I am not registered so it wont let me msg |
| 18:30.15 | kjm | hi everyone |
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| 18:30.34 | abrotman | i thought gravity said to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. and it may take care of it |
| 18:30.45 | mejo | stew: so is there any way to fix it locally? |
| 18:30.51 | factor | simonrvn:and the driver is under the directory drivers in that path |
| 18:31.05 | stew | mejo: try this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362069 |
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| 18:31.19 | leikh | is udev to prefer over hotplug? |
| 18:31.26 | Supaplex | or http://bugs.debian.org/362069 |
| 18:31.35 | abrotman | leikh: it's supposed to replace it |
| 18:31.53 | kjm | leikh : udev is "taking place" of hoptplug |
| 18:31.56 | stew | i don't think hotplug is going away |
| 18:32.01 | kjm | ^^ what abrotman said |
| 18:32.14 | stew | there are enough anti-udev people around to keep hotplug alive as the only other tool for loading firmware |
| 18:32.15 | leikh | ok |
| 18:32.49 | leikh | can udev detect isa hardware? |
| 18:33.08 | simonrvn | abrotman: oh, really. i'm doing it manually because mine's hand-edited |
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| 18:33.18 | simonrvn | factor: have you edited manually? |
| 18:33.22 | simonrvn | it* |
| 18:33.26 | mejo | stew: unfortunately this doesn't help. even after restarting x11-common, i get only a grey screen |
| 18:33.26 | abrotman | simonrvn: i thought he said that last night |
| 18:33.36 | simonrvn | missed that if he did |
| 18:33.43 | mejo | stew: apart from that, the bugreport sounds exactly like my problem, but it doesn't help |
| 18:33.46 | factor | i have but the defualt one does not work as well. but even it I had to edit the mouse device. |
| 18:33.51 | abrotman | stew: it's nto going away . but udev is supposed to replace the hotplug functionality |
| 18:34.06 | factor | simonrvn^ |
| 18:34.07 | stew | abrotman: replace sounds like its going away, duplicate maybe? |
| 18:34.17 | stew | mejo: ctrl-alt-f2 ; log in, export DISPLAY=:0 ; source ~/.xsession |
| 18:34.21 | abrotman | duplicate perhaps .. though eventually .. who knows |
| 18:34.57 | stew | the etch installer is using udev so it will become rather ubuquitous |
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| 18:35.02 | simonrvn | factor: could you paste it to paster? |
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| 18:35.33 | factor | simonrvn: I have no gfx |
| 18:35.46 | hexaneuron | hello? |
| 18:35.49 | simonrvn | so? :). use w3m or something |
| 18:35.54 | factor | no mouse |
| 18:36.01 | simonrvn | install gpm |
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| 18:36.23 | factor | humm will see |
| 18:36.33 | stew | factor: w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; use the arrow keys to go to the big paste box, hit enter, it will open up vim and you can suck the contents of a file in there |
| 18:36.42 | mejo | stew: yes, afterwards it worked. |
| 18:36.43 | stew | well it will open up /usr/bin/editor |
| 18:36.45 | mejo | stew: why? |
| 18:36.48 | simonrvn | oh that's true |
| 18:36.58 | stew | mejo: after which? |
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| 18:37.27 | mejo | stew: after 'source .xsession' |
| 18:38.22 | stew | mejo: becuase "source .xsesion" just says "run ever command in .xsession" it was kinda guaranteed to work. your problem is that /etc/X11/Xsession is not running source .xsession when you start x for some reason |
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| 18:38.46 | abrotman | .xsession |
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| 18:39.29 | simonrvn | i'd do ". ~/.xsession" or the full path, but that's me |
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| 18:40.14 | stew | simonrvn: that is in fact what i told him to run, and used source instead of . for clarity |
| 18:40.48 | simonrvn | oh ok. but source is a bashism though. |
| 18:40.53 | mejo | stew: thanks a lot |
| 18:41.03 | stew | simonrvn: ahh, didn't know it was a bashism |
| 18:41.16 | mejo | but why does setkbdmap say: Couldn't find rules file (xorg) |
| 18:41.29 | simonrvn | dash and zsh will puke on that (not sure about zsh) |
| 18:41.39 | factor | simonrvn:http://channels.debian.net/paste/2353 |
| 18:41.44 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 18:42.03 | stew | simonrvn: yes, in dash pukes zsh doesn't |
| 18:42.11 | stew | and i'm not installing posh just to find out :) |
| 18:42.20 | simonrvn | posh is similar |
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| 18:42.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:42.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:42.47 | stew | !abrotmoo |
| 18:42.47 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 18:43.19 | leikh | for a pentium mmx, can i use a 686-kernel, or do i have to stick with 386-kernel? |
| 18:43.23 | abrotman | i do not weigh twice as much as the moon |
| 18:43.27 | abrotman | leikh: not a 686 |
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| 18:43.32 | jengelh | pmmx is 586 |
| 18:43.36 | abrotman | either 386 or 586 |
| 18:43.40 | simonrvn | factor: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2354 |
| 18:43.49 | kspath | abrotman: Only because of that anti-gravity umbrella hat. |
| 18:43.58 | stew | we even have 486 kernels now |
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| 18:44.22 | leikh | abrotman: ok. and i only need to install the kernel-image and reboot when using grub as bootloader? |
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| 18:44.45 | stew | leikh: as long as "update-grub" appears in the postinst line in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 18:45.05 | kspath | abrotman: I weigh 200 lbs so perhaps I should not talk. |
| 18:45.06 | leikh | stew: will check that. thx |
| 18:45.30 | nostalg1c | kspath, are you saying fat people shouldn't be allowed to talk ?! |
| 18:45.39 | kspath | nostalg1c: ok. |
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| 18:45.40 | simonrvn | factor: been running xorg 7 since a little while, and that works for me.only problem i have is "GLcore" not getting loaded, but i don't care GLX works |
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| 18:45.52 | EdibleText | the factiod clearly states 'as moon' not 'as the moon' or 'as a moon' moon must be a name of someone or something |
| 18:45.52 | mailquestion | I need help |
| 18:46.05 | leikh | stew: i guess this is the deal; postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 18:46.06 | simonrvn | mailquestion: ask the question |
| 18:46.13 | tx | any good looking girls |
| 18:46.21 | factor | recompiled nvidia driver see it that does anything , if I get knocked off I will be back |
| 18:46.33 | pngwn | 5~ |
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| 18:46.40 | tx | are there any techers |
| 18:46.45 | factor | nothing happend anyway |
| 18:46.51 | simonrvn | tx: this isn't a social channel |
| 18:46.53 | nostalg1c | no we're all managers |
| 18:47.05 | kspath | tx: Have you considered listening to teachers when they are teaching spelling? |
| 18:47.10 | mailquestion | How do I test my server, I need to recieve mail |
| 18:47.19 | nostalg1c | kspath, think he meant techies or whatnot |
| 18:47.23 | leikh | hmm... there isn't a 2.6-kernel for 586... |
| 18:47.26 | simonrvn | !tell mailquestion about ask |
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| 18:47.47 | DimmuR | mhall: i'm not sure if you remember our last talk about recovering files... i've segregated about 95.000 files (from 150.000) :-) |
| 18:47.53 | kspath | mailquestion: telnet localhost 25 or telnet ###.###.###.### 25 and use SMTP and/or ESMTP |
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| 18:48.33 | mailquestion | ok.. I'll test telnet.. wait |
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| 18:48.45 | factor | yeah I use glx for blender |
| 18:48.56 | kspath | DimmuR: In US and some other parts of the world we use , rather than . for showing 1000's |
| 18:49.14 | leikh | stew: but a 486-kernel will be ok with my mmx? |
| 18:49.17 | simonrvn | in other parts we use ' ' (space) |
| 18:49.22 | kspath | DimmuR: In US . tends to be reserved for decimal part less than one |
| 18:49.31 | stew | leikh: yes |
| 18:49.45 | leikh | stew: which 2.6 should i chose? |
| 18:49.55 | kspath | simonrvn: That alway looked odd to me. How can you tell from a list of number or spaces for 1000's |
| 18:49.56 | factor | simonrvn:this seems more like a nividia problem though it can find the dirver. |
| 18:50.02 | simonrvn | in other parts we use , for decimal numbers |
| 18:50.08 | stew | leikh: on sarge or testing/unstable? |
| 18:50.12 | kspath | simonrvn: I noticed that also. |
| 18:50.18 | leikh | stew: testing |
| 18:50.22 | mailquestion | I don't get an answer.. Just "Trying xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx....." |
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| 18:50.25 | stew | leikh: what kernel are you running now? |
| 18:50.44 | leikh | stew: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:50.45 | kspath | simonrvn: I kind of like , for that but I grew up with . for separator for decimal part less than one. |
| 18:50.52 | DimmuR | kspath: it depends on country... but files means that it's not less than 1... |
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| 18:51.12 | kspath | DimmuR: really? |
| 18:51.13 | simonrvn | factor: ok. well, it should be working. just be sure your kernel module is ok too, and that should eliminate some potential problems |
| 18:51.25 | anabain | Kernel panic: not syncing:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8-5), any ideas? I get this after having changed my root partition from reiserfs to ext3. I recompiled the kernel to add ext3 support with chroot using a knoppix live-cd |
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| 18:51.31 | stew | leikh: i don't know of a working way to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel in etch, maybe someone else does |
| 18:51.38 | mailquestion | when I use http://pingability.com, they say.. "his mail server has no reverse DNS (PTR) record. Some email servers require a PTR record from any server that connects to them and reject any email from a mail server without a PTR record."... whats all that about.. can I fix this?.. hum.. |
| 18:51.54 | DimmuR | kspath: nope i'm just joiking :P |
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| 18:52.20 | kspath | mailquestion: Do you control IP block delegation? |
| 18:52.41 | stew | leikh: the problem is that i don't think a working initrd creator for a 2.6.15 kernel exists in etch which will run using s 2.4 kernel |
| 18:52.43 | simonrvn | mailquestion: that's a DNS issue |
| 18:52.46 | mailquestion | eeh.. no.. |
| 18:52.49 | dpm | is there a way to compile the sources of a package downloaded with 'apt-get install source <package>' with different ./configure options and then get also the .deb built automatically? |
| 18:52.50 | kspath | mailquestion: Are you running the ISP/NSP NameServers for PTR? |
| 18:53.07 | factor | simonrvn:the problem did not occur until I upgraded xorg 7 yesterday |
| 18:53.08 | stew | leikh: i think you might need to upgrade to some intermediate kernel, but i've never gotten a straight answer on that |
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| 18:53.23 | factor | but I will try some default cfgs to sdee if I can get life. |
| 18:53.28 | simonrvn | factor: yeh. modulepath changed |
| 18:53.30 | mailquestion | IP what? |
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| 18:53.40 | kspath | mailquestion: Whatever provides you with your static IPs would need to assist you with revDNS/PTR records. |
| 18:53.49 | tiCo89 | dpm: no, because not every debian package is built with ./configure |
| 18:53.57 | leikh | stew: ok, probably just stick with current kernel, then, instead of fucking things up... |
| 18:54.14 | tiCo89 | dpm: make apt-get source <bla>, then edit in the directory of the package debian/ruless |
| 18:54.17 | tiCo89 | there can you add additional configure-arguments |
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| 18:54.19 | kspath | mailquestion: IP addresses Internet Protocol Addresses ###.###.###.### assuming IPv4. |
| 18:54.23 | tiCo89 | then build it just normal with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:54.31 | stew | leikh: you can try "apt-get install linux-image-486" and see what happens |
| 18:54.31 | simonrvn | factor: good luck |
| 18:54.38 | dpm | tiCo89, sounds good, many thanks |
| 18:55.11 | tiCo89 | dpm: debian/rules is the file which controls how a package is built |
| 18:55.19 | leikh | stew: is that like "pressing the big red button and see what happens"? |
| 18:56.05 | lpb-oberon | simonrvn: do i have to put every single ip in the /cups.d/ports.conf? i have taken a lookt at the manpages and http://localhost:631/documentation.html but i is only said that: "Multiple Listen directives can be provided to listen on multiple addresses." |
| 18:56.17 | stew | leikh: yeah, but i wouldn't be too worried about it, its likely to just refuse to finish installing, and whatever happens, you should still have your currently working kernel to fall back on |
| 18:56.19 | kspath | mailquestion: in the mean time get whois, dig, host, nslookup, ping, traceroute, mtr, and learn DNS/SMTP |
| 18:56.34 | simonrvn | lpb-oberon: every single ip of what? |
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| 18:56.38 | dpm | tiCo89, thanks, I'll give it a go now |
| 18:56.51 | stew | leikh: i just haven't tracked the issue close enough, i don't know if its been fixed yet, i have seen anything about it either way in a while |
| 18:57.05 | lpb-oberon | of our local network or the dynamic iprange |
| 18:57.09 | kspath | mailquestion: Then study carefully your MTA choice manuals sendmail or exim or postfix or qmail or smail or whatever |
| 18:57.31 | simonrvn | lpb-oberon: no, only the print server. this is the *server* end |
| 18:57.31 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 18:57.31 | dpkg | courier is hard to configure |
| 18:57.46 | stew | leikh: refer to #349354 which i thihk says it is fixed for 2.6->2.6 upgrades but i dont' know about 2.4->2.6 |
| 18:57.46 | kspath | !smitesmite Supaplex |
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| 18:58.26 | factor | getting an error wioth manpages. |
| 18:58.34 | factor | with manpage package |
| 18:58.42 | leikh | stew: well, i'll just give it a try |
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| 18:58.58 | kspath | I think the world needs more clueless people running mail servers. |
| 18:59.02 | simonrvn | = in dselect/aptitude; echo "package_name hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 18:59.09 | factor | k |
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| 18:59.46 | minerale | !start an example-foo war |
| 19:00.10 | kspath | !smitesmite minerale |
| 19:00.23 | simonrvn | factor: known issue |
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| 19:00.36 | Supaplex | !botabuse |
| 19:00.36 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 19:00.47 | kspath | Supaplex: too long |
| 19:00.50 | kspath | !abuse |
| 19:00.50 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 19:01.17 | Supaplex | !timtowtdi |
| 19:01.17 | dpkg | [timtowtdi] There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl. |
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| 19:01.38 | Supaplex | dpkg: botsnack |
| 19:01.38 | dpkg | aw, gee, Supaplex |
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| 19:02.17 | FarrisG | I'm getting the most worthless error message when I try to use growisofs to create/burn a DVD I authored with dvdauthor: "write failed: input/output error." ANy ideas? strace shows an "Illegal seek" but nothing much more helpful |
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| 19:03.37 | simonrvn | the dvd is fucked, or the drive is. |
| 19:03.56 | jengelh | or both |
| 19:05.25 | stew | leikh: the word i'm getting now is that you are find if you install initramfs-tools with the new kernel |
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| 19:05.54 | kspath | stew: little bird told you? |
| 19:05.58 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 19:06.18 | leikh | stew: i just install initramfs-tools before the reboot? |
| 19:06.23 | stew | little udev maintainer / little debian release manager |
| 19:06.33 | kspath | I wish I had little birds. All I have is all these voices. |
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| 19:06.53 | stew | leikh: you need to have initramfs-tool installed when you install the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:07.00 | stew | leikh: or install them both at the same time |
| 19:07.11 | leikh | stew: too late... |
| 19:07.19 | stew | leikh: it likely got installed for you |
| 19:07.34 | leikh | stew: yes, you're right :) |
| 19:08.11 | nevermore | do i need all the packages for the desktop task? |
| 19:08.11 | factor | simonrvn:holy keyrap! found the problem dont know fi that is it. when I made a default file the ModulePath is link to /usr/lib/xorg/modules which had a completly diff set of drivers . |
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| 19:08.31 | factor | I think that may fix it will copy the driver to that dir and see |
| 19:08.44 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:08.47 | stew | nevermore: probably not |
| 19:08.53 | simonrvn | which is why i pasted what i had ;) |
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| 19:09.02 | Glanzmann | ?? xv |
| 19:09.08 | Glanzmann | I am looking for xv packages for etch (testing) |
| 19:09.19 | stew | Glanzmann: you won't find it in debian, its not free software |
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| 19:09.22 | nevermore | i've a problem with my connection, can't stay online long enough to download all of em' |
| 19:09.34 | gnd | hi |
| 19:09.42 | gnd | what's a good program for personal finances? |
| 19:09.43 | Glanzmann | I found them here before and history repeats itself. |
| 19:09.51 | stew | !xv |
| 19:09.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html or http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xv%24 - very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails. Also, the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed), ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
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| 19:10.12 | Glanzmann | And actually I don't care if it is free or not. I use it over a decade. |
| 19:10.14 | kspath | gnd: gnucash? |
| 19:10.40 | kspath | gnd: apt-cache search gnucash |
| 19:10.51 | gnd | thanks ! |
| 19:11.22 | kspath | gnd: Ok, but thank the people that wrote it. |
| 19:11.25 | Glanzmann | stew: Thanks a lot. |
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| 19:11.43 | gnd | kspath: well, thank you for pointing it out :) |
| 19:11.54 | peterS | abrotman: re the sox, just remember the mantra, "Wait til next year" |
| 19:11.59 | stew | i wish i could go to debconf |
| 19:12.03 | stew | too busy this spring |
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| 19:12.36 | peterS | kspath: it's no use, I know he's here |
| 19:12.48 | enkrypt | I upgraded from Xorg 6.9.0 to the new 7.0.10 version, and the DRI support on my i915 onboard videocard broke... is this a known problem ? |
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| 19:12.49 | laurens_ | hi |
| 19:12.53 | laurens_ | quote the iptables manual: |
| 19:12.58 | laurens_ | Address can be either a network name, a hostname (please note that specifying any name to be resolved with a remote query such as DNS is a really bad idea), a network IP address (with /mask), or a plain IP address. |
| 19:13.10 | laurens_ | I'm just wondering: why is a DNS name a really bad idea? |
| 19:13.20 | kspath | laurens_: latency |
| 19:13.25 | laurens_ | only latency? |
| 19:13.33 | laurens_ | doesnt it cache it or something? |
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| 19:13.39 | laurens_ | only check it every few hours or so |
| 19:13.44 | factor | simonrvn:cool almost worked got the nvidia symbol at least , thanks for the help . |
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| 19:13.50 | kspath | laurens_: It is also a resource dependency that may fail. |
| 19:13.56 | factor | I am out see ya |
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| 19:14.44 | stew | enkrypt: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:14.48 | kspath | laurens_: "doesnt it cache it or something" is something you need to read up on. |
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| 19:15.10 | jdrozd | I need some help. I just ran apt-get update/upgrade. Rebooted and now X doesn't want to work. I'm not strong with Linux and the people that are have called it a week already. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 19:15.57 | stew | jdrozd: you need to be more specific, which version of debian, which x server, what errors are you getting |
| 19:16.04 | jdrozd | stew, k |
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| 19:17.32 | Rawplayer | is anyone in here using a bluetooth headset for voip under ubuntu/linux? |
| 19:17.50 | charolastra | i'm back in Xorg with the same problem as the guy before: Xorg won't start with "nvidia" because it's supposed to not exist; except that lsmod clearly shows it |
| 19:18.02 | charolastra | any ideas? |
| 19:18.03 | yggdrasil_ | rawplayer i didnt know you could do such a thing |
| 19:18.10 | valdyn | charolastra: lsmod knows nothing about this, dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
| 19:18.16 | yggdrasil_ | wonder if i can use my bluetooth cell phone for that |
| 19:18.16 | jdrozd | stew: 2.6.16-1 kernel, using kdm, need help tracking version numbers. |
| 19:18.23 | charolastra | ok |
| 19:18.33 | Rawplayer | yggdrasil_: well bluetooth works |
| 19:18.43 | jdrozd | stew: X11 |
| 19:18.46 | Rawplayer | but i want to buy a bluetooth headset for voip |
| 19:18.51 | yggdrasil_ | rawplayer awesome yea i hear it. |
| 19:18.56 | yggdrasil_ | uh no pun intended |
| 19:18.58 | valdyn | charolastra: the module not found due to your upgrade to xorg7 is an X module, not a kernel module... |
| 19:19.06 | Rawplayer | and i'am wondering if anyone has some experience with bluetooth headset |
| 19:19.06 | Rawplayer | s |
| 19:19.12 | charolastra | yeah, i see that now |
| 19:19.15 | yggdrasil_ | ive never heard of anyone doing it |
| 19:19.25 | Rawplayer | its kinda new |
| 19:19.29 | valdyn | charolastra: now what does dpkg -l nvidia-glx say? |
| 19:19.30 | Rawplayer | but fancy |
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| 19:19.42 | Rawplayer | and easy for roadwarrior with laptop |
| 19:19.42 | charolastra | it says it's uninstalled right now |
| 19:19.55 | carbon60 | Anyone know of a way to see what modules are compiled into a kernel? |
| 19:19.59 | carbon60 | (Without booting it.) |
| 19:20.12 | peterS | carbon60: if it comes with a .config file you can read that |
| 19:20.21 | charolastra | and that it depends on "nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756" which i can't find through apt-cache search |
| 19:20.24 | valdyn | charolastra: it was removed when you installed Xorg, run apt-get update, run apt-cache policy nvidia-glx |
| 19:20.25 | jengelh | and even if not, you can extract the .config from the kernel binary somehow |
| 19:20.38 | peterS | jengelh: yeah, good luck with that, without booting it |
| 19:20.40 | charolastra | ok |
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| 19:20.59 | stew | jdrozd: if you just upgraded your xserver in unstable, there are lots of known problems, check the bts |
| 19:21.08 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 19:21.09 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8756-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3206 kB, Installed size: 10540 kB |
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| 19:21.30 | valdyn | charolastra: i guess you are running sid, the fixed nvidia-glx is in sid now, so uh, just do the |
| 19:21.36 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:21.36 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 19:21.38 | leikh | stew: new kernel up and running. thx. btw; do you know a really lightweight mediaplayer (i'm on fluxbox)? |
| 19:21.39 | jdrozd | stew, is there anyway to simply use apt to install the previous one. That would be simpliest |
| 19:22.08 | kspath | lepton: The warning sticker should start with if you are running testing or unstable than do your research first and report bugs else run stable. |
| 19:22.11 | peterS | so someone tell me, what's an FC-AL hard drive exactly? |
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| 19:22.18 | jengelh | fibrechannel something? |
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| 19:22.40 | stew | leikh: what kind of media? audio? video? |
| 19:22.42 | peterS | that's what it sounds like, but the physical connector is copper. 40 pins. |
| 19:22.46 | kspath | peterS: Fibre-Channel Async Loop? |
| 19:22.48 | shark_ | hello, is it possible when updating from stable to testing that the sshd key gets regenerate ? |
| 19:22.54 | jengelh | rtfw |
| 19:22.56 | charolastra | valdyn: and "nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756" too? |
| 19:22.59 | leikh | stew: mp3 |
| 19:23.04 | kspath | peterS: I forgot the A part sorry |
| 19:23.05 | peterS | kspath: for some reason I had it in my head that 'fibre channel' would imply some sort of fibre |
| 19:23.07 | jengelh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC-AL |
| 19:23.24 | valdyn | charolastra: that is created and installed when you do the nvidia one-liner |
| 19:23.26 | stew | jdrozd: you will have to downgrade all of your x pacakges to the 6.9 version with apt-get install package=version, or maybe add an etch source and install the x packages |
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| 19:23.51 | stew | leikh: cplay is a very nice text based player |
| 19:24.00 | charolastra | aah, i see |
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| 19:24.11 | leikh | stew: ok, i'll try that one. thx for all your help. |
| 19:24.13 | stew | leikh: its really just a playlist manager frontend to mpg321/mpg123 |
| 19:24.17 | stew | leikh: you're welcome |
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| 19:25.06 | libik | with apt-cache how can i view what the lastest version number is |
| 19:25.16 | stew | leikh: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 19:25.23 | stew | libik: ^^ |
| 19:25.26 | libik | ehh |
| 19:25.27 | libik | thanks |
| 19:25.34 | abrotman | peterS: are you going now? |
| 19:25.38 | peterS | abrotman: yeah |
| 19:25.46 | abrotman | did you get a sponsor? |
| 19:25.51 | kspath | peterS: In a sense you could almost assume the L was loop as well |
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| 19:25.57 | peterS | abrotman: yep, for the $250 I asked for. I can pay the rest out of pocket |
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| 19:26.13 | abrotman | peterS: hrm .. i really really want to go to the baseball game! |
| 19:26.24 | peterS | (the rest being about $300 all told) |
| 19:26.27 | mhall | DimmuR: dude sweet |
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| 19:26.37 | mhall | DimmuR: it'a nearly coming along |
| 19:26.53 | mhall | DimmuR: how many left now? |
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| 19:27.05 | abrotman | how are we supposed to get from Mexico City to Oaxtapec again? |
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| 19:27.19 | DimmuR | mhall: about 30000 - 40000 but i think they're broken |
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| 19:27.28 | mhall | DimmuR: what's the trouble with em |
| 19:27.36 | factor | ok got it up in X with out glx one of my monitors are full screen but the pci card looks vga rez. but I am up and goin on one at least. |
| 19:27.51 | peterS | kspath: it's just that I bought a "SCSI hard drive" on ebay and it turns out to be FC-AL. the seller seems honest - fast shipping, nice bubble wrap packaging. but I'm out $13.50 unless I happen to find a FC-AL array in my closet |
| 19:28.02 | DimmuR | i tested about 500 of them (randomly) - they're completly corrupted |
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| 19:28.37 | kspath | DimmuR: What defines corruption? |
| 19:29.02 | peterS | abrotman: that works, but note that I'm making an overnight stop in phoenix so you might be bored for that part. one of the cheapest flights included a long layover there. so I'll go out dancing Saturday night in Phoenix |
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| 19:29.23 | abrotman | peterS: say hi to donna for me! |
| 19:29.31 | peterS | who's donna? |
| 19:29.34 | mhall | DimmuR: that's craptacular |
| 19:29.36 | abrotman | a friend from uni :) |
| 19:29.41 | mhall | DimmuR: how did these files end up this way |
| 19:29.43 | DimmuR | kspath: microsoft word / openoffice 2.0.2 freezes, (oo exit with errors) and while recover files crashes again |
| 19:29.49 | peterS | in Phoenix? sure, if I see anyone named Donna there I'll be sure and say hi |
| 19:29.50 | mhall | DimmuR: and, can you share any of your bash script |
| 19:30.16 | DimmuR | mhall: raid 5 on 4x250GB hdd... 2x hdd broke down (one after another) |
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| 19:30.24 | mhall | DimmuR: that's bad |
| 19:30.38 | peterS | /nick Poenix |
| 19:30.38 | mhall | DimmuR: you gut lucky you recovered as much as you did |
| 19:30.47 | DimmuR | mhall: i'm still making it more intelligent and of course i'll share it |
| 19:30.54 | mhall | DimmuR: if it's that big of a raid how come nobody backed it up? |
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| 19:31.04 | DimmuR | mhall: i made full bit-copy |
| 19:31.34 | DimmuR | mhall: guy who was responsible for this already lost his job |
| 19:31.44 | yang | where are instructions on how to upgrade sarge -> etch |
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| 19:32.06 | kspath | DimmuR: before or after or during? |
| 19:32.13 | carbon60 | There is a way to boot a kernel only once in GRUB, right? (So I can test this kernel without a monitor.) |
| 19:32.37 | myxie | There are two ways, according to docs I saw. |
| 19:32.59 | myxie | fallback and a boot once thing |
| 19:33.06 | DimmuR | kspath: i think in the middle... he lost his job because he didn't do what he was told to do (backups etc) and few days later crash |
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| 19:33.36 | abrotman | peterS: if i fly down 13th and return fly back 16th(tuesday) .. it's like $350 |
| 19:33.38 | mhall | DimmuR: wow poor guy; but i guess he deserved it |
| 19:33.45 | charolastra | valdyn: thanks for your time |
| 19:33.48 | mhall | DimmuR: so what's your reward for fixing the problem? not getting fired? |
| 19:33.52 | factor | ok out and in X :) |
| 19:34.18 | peterS | abrotman: *nod*. that wouldn't be too bad. you'd miss most of the conference but we'd all get to meet you at least |
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| 19:34.55 | peterS | abrotman: well, plus $20 to get into Mexico, according to the State Department |
| 19:35.12 | DimmuR | mhall: actually i haven't to do anything (there is another "poor admin" who doesn't know what is bash-scripting) - i'm working there 4weeks only but after this i made separate contract for recovery this data (as much as possible) |
| 19:35.19 | abrotman | peterS: maybe if you'd just come to philly! |
| 19:35.34 | myxie | Has anyone here successfully used, grub, mixed sata+pata, lvm on raid5 /, raid1 /boot? |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | peterS: it's either DC6 for the weekend or mother's day with my mom ... |
| 19:35.48 | kspath | peterS: You are not going via Rio Grande? I thought that was the popular way to cross that border. |
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| 19:36.45 | peterS | kspath: I actually thought about taking a Greyhound bus (and their Mexican affiliate) all the way down. it still would have been $250 or something, and would have taken several days round trip |
| 19:36.47 | carbon60 | Thanks myxie |
| 19:37.02 | abrotman | peterS: good way to see the countryside though :) |
| 19:37.03 | xirjs | is there a way to give access to different applications to /dev/dsp ? |
| 19:37.09 | peterS | true |
| 19:37.10 | abrotman | peterS: i also have no passport |
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| 19:37.21 | abrotman | which i should rectify no matter what |
| 19:37.23 | peterS | abrotman: hmmm, I'm not sure if you need one or not. you need proof of citizenship. |
| 19:37.25 | kspath | abrotman: That does not stop millions of people. |
| 19:37.35 | myxie | xirjs: nas sound daemon, but /dev/dsp is old-school OSS - they is probably something for ALSA. |
| 19:37.48 | abrotman | peterS: my birth certificate says i'm a female |
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| 19:38.04 | xirjs | myxie: i use alsa ... |
| 19:38.07 | yang | where are instructions on how to upgrade stable -> testing |
| 19:38.10 | xirjs | is there anyway for that |
| 19:38.12 | peterS | abrotman: really? well well. I think a DL might be enough. |
| 19:38.24 | peterS | though I guess that doesn't say 'citizen' anywhere on it |
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| 19:38.30 | abrotman | peterS: at least i think my copy does .. as did the original .. took my mom a while to convince the hospital in MI that i was a male |
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| 19:39.27 | myxie | xirjs: I'm not usre, you probably could start with a google for jack sound alsa |
| 19:39.33 | rhalff | any pointers on where I should look if I want to disable usbfs from being loaded, I think it's done somewhere by udev or something ? |
| 19:39.34 | abrotman | peterS: guess i'd have to decide this week huh |
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| 19:40.05 | peterS | abrotman: pretty soon, yeah. particularly if you *do* need a passport - processing time is long enough that you'd probably have to pay the $60 or so extra to have them expedite it |
| 19:40.07 | rhalff | I'm only used to just running /etc/init.d/hotplug stop , but this is a new kind of loading I guess |
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| 19:40.27 | valdyn | rhalff: why would you stop usbfs? |
| 19:40.31 | abrotman | peterS: hrm .. maybe i'll go on .. erm .. crap .. not monday .. god damn it |
| 19:40.35 | rhalff | valdyn, for vmware |
| 19:40.46 | peterS | abrotman: actually if you haven't registered on the debconf.org site yet, you missed the deadline for them to count you in for the free housing. you could still ask them about that but technically they said you'd have to pay for housing now |
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| 19:41.02 | abrotman | peterS: which was my plan originally |
| 19:41.05 | rhalff | valdyn, the kernel takes the usbport before vmware has a chance |
| 19:41.25 | yang | would sid kernel image work on a sarge installation? |
| 19:41.27 | valdyn | rhalff: so you really want to not load your usb driver? |
| 19:41.36 | yang | valdyn: just reading your post |
| 19:41.39 | rhalff | valdyn, well at least not load usbfs |
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| 19:41.59 | myxie | Any other masochists using Asus A8V-MX (V8251)? |
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| 19:42.25 | valdyn | rhalff: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 19:42.25 | peterS | hmmm, 20 minutes to get all my laundry together and trek down to the laundromat. they have a thursday special until 3:00 pm where you pay $.75 per washer load instead of $1 (: |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:42.38 | abrotman | take mine! |
| 19:42.40 | rhalff | valdyn, but there is no unmounting I think :) |
| 19:42.53 | rhalff | valdyn, so disable it and reboot then I guess ? |
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| 19:43.26 | peterS | not sure what the thursday special accomplishes for them. I'd do the same amount of laundry at the same place if they didn't have it, just at more convenient times for me |
| 19:43.56 | abrotman | makes less of a demand later in the day? |
| 19:44.11 | abrotman | peterS: the closest airport is MXC ? |
| 19:44.26 | rhalff | valdyn, I'll comment that usbfs part out and reboot, but it's a big hack, hope it works though, thanks :) |
| 19:44.35 | peterS | abrotman: it's called MEX but yeah |
| 19:44.37 | valdyn | rhalff: that isnt a hack |
| 19:44.47 | valdyn | rhalff: its a modification of an init script |
| 19:44.50 | yang | valdyn what was your post about using sid kernel on sarge from 29.9.2005 |
| 19:44.54 | peterS | at least, I hope that's the same one they're expecting people to come in at |
| 19:45.02 | valdyn | yang: i dont remember |
| 19:45.03 | abrotman | peterS: really .. nothing closer? |
| 19:45.12 | peterS | not that I could tell |
| 19:45.13 | rhalff | valdyn, then it should be in /etc/defaults somewhere I think, for it not to be a hack :) |
| 19:45.26 | valdyn | yang: but im sure you shouldnt use linux images from sid an sarge |
| 19:45.34 | valdyn | yang: s/an/on/ |
| 19:46.42 | abrotman | peterS: i'm still scared you'll have me kidnapped |
| 19:46.57 | peterS | don't know what I'd do with you once I did |
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| 19:47.24 | abrotman | trade me for a plane full of drugs? |
| 19:47.58 | peterS | hmmmm, that's a thought |
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| 19:48.34 | laid_back | alright so i'm trying to put debian on an older laptop dell inspiron 8100, 1000mhz p3 512 megs of ram, etc etc, i've got no pcmcia devices in the machine, booting the install iso works fine, i get to where it detects hardware, and it freezes at 92% "Starting PC Card Services..." |
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| 19:48.38 | peterS | anyway, away, laundry |
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| 19:48.46 | abrotman | still confused about getting from MC to oaxtepec |
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| 19:49.05 | valdyn | laid_back: have you tried both kernels from that installer? |
| 19:49.07 | peterS | abrotman: I guess they'll run some sort of shuttle for those who arrive in groups |
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| 19:49.14 | laid_back | not sure valdyn |
| 19:49.24 | laid_back | how do i tell it which one to use, never messed with debian too much |
| 19:49.26 | abrotman | peterS: you guess? |
| 19:49.28 | valdyn | laid_back: hit F1 at the bootprompt and read.. |
| 19:49.32 | laid_back | cool cool |
| 19:49.45 | yang | well dpkg does not have any entry on upgrading sarge to etch |
| 19:49.46 | hollo | hi.. im installing a new debian on an old computer... 2.2.20-compact.. and im pretty stocked.. gets "cannot set up thread-local storage: kernel too old for thread-local storage support", anyone knows something about taht? |
| 19:49.48 | laid_back | always been more of a slackware/fedora guy, buddy of mine says, "try debian" |
| 19:49.49 | peterS | abrotman: that's the impression I get on the debconf.org site. they want to know when you're coming in so they can plan this stuff |
| 19:49.57 | abrotman | but i'm not official |
| 19:50.00 | abrotman | peterS: go wash! |
| 19:50.03 | peterS | abrotman: which reminds me, I still have to add that info, I only booked my flight a couple days ago |
| 19:50.05 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 19:50.05 | dpkg | (Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour ho |
| 19:50.08 | peterS | yeah, yeah (: |
| 19:50.13 | colares | help-me... where get package jre ?? 1.1.8 or last |
| 19:50.25 | yang | valdyn: and i was typing sarge -> etch ;) |
| 19:50.26 | abrotman | peterS: i'd also have a problem in that i'd be leaving early .. or so i'd imagine |
| 19:50.26 | hollo | if i could just install a binary kernel maybe that would solve the problem.. but i cant install anything through debian |
| 19:50.30 | hollo | ops.. apt-get |
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| 19:51.25 | nevermore | i've just installed apache (web-server task) and then debian no longer asks for ip from a dhcp and aptitude is now missing?!? |
| 19:51.43 | nevermore | i'm very new to all this can someone please advice? |
| 19:51.53 | valdyn | nevermore: install aptitude |
| 19:51.59 | laid_back | linux26 |
| 19:52.02 | nevermore | i get a unable to fetch |
| 19:52.03 | valdyn | nevermore: install resolvconf |
| 19:52.05 | laid_back | see how this works out |
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| 19:52.14 | nevermore | ok will try |
| 19:52.16 | nevermore | one moment |
| 19:52.29 | LordNazgul | does fsck log itself anywhere? |
| 19:52.32 | valdyn | nevermore: type ( as root ) 'dhclient eth0' and watch the output |
| 19:52.32 | laid_back | wow nice |
| 19:52.34 | laid_back | bam |
| 19:52.37 | laid_back | thanks valdyn |
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| 19:52.48 | nevermore | ah... command not found |
| 19:53.05 | nevermore | dhclient eth0 - command not found |
| 19:53.26 | valdyn | nevermore: so you removed your dhcp client? |
| 19:53.34 | valdyn | nevermore: why the hell did you do that? |
| 19:53.52 | nevermore | valdyn: i just started up aptitude and pick the web-server task |
| 19:53.59 | nevermore | download and install stuffs and reboot |
| 19:54.17 | valdyn | nevermore: guess you didnt pay attention what aptitude did |
| 19:54.45 | valdyn | nevermore: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/dhc* |
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| 19:54.56 | laurens_ | I've found a Perl script that resembles what I want to do and hacked it a bit. Now I just need it to run a shell script. system(); is what I want, right? |
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| 19:55.54 | nevermore | valdyn: /var/cache/apt/archives has 'lock' and 'partial' |
| 19:56.08 | nevermore | valdyn: is it easier to just reinstall the system? |
| 19:56.22 | valdyn | nevermore: its pretty easy to just set up a static IP adress |
| 19:58.07 | JochenA | what is the KDE package equivalent to gnome-volume-manager. I wan't my usb-drive to show up on a KDE desktop, but can't find the functionality. |
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| 20:01.07 | AciD | damn, I more and more love Debian each day |
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| 20:02.46 | nevermore | valdyn: i think i've just messed up the sys - -' can't execute a single command |
| 20:02.56 | Abe | i would too.. if the netinst had better nic-driver support |
| 20:03.04 | nevermore | valdyn: my bad... thanks for the help anyway.. prob be reinstalling |
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| 20:06.03 | jplibre | question about CVS - does the .cvspass file play any role when you are using ssh authentication instead of pserver, or can it just be removed entirely? |
| 20:07.04 | dimir | Can be removed! |
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| 20:07.53 | jplibre | dimir: that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure - thanks! |
| 20:07.58 | meneg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.34 | jade | how do i force purge a package that is depending on some other package which is hosing me? |
| 20:08.59 | meneg | btw. that "apt-get install xkb-data" fix on the topic is not only for alt-ctrl, it also has non-english keyboard definitions. |
| 20:10.12 | jade | trying dpkg --force-remove-essential <pkg> |
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| 20:10.42 | LordNazgul | during a routine fsck (the one every thirty boots, it spat out the error : no such file or directory when trying to open /dev/hda2 (this is the correct partition /dev/hda1 is a windows partition) the superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2 filesystem. if the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem then the superblock is corrupt and you might try running e2fscl with an alternate superblock |
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| 20:13.21 | valdyn | LordNazgul: does /dev/hda2 exist once booting is finished? |
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| 20:14.30 | LordNazgul | cant boot just pops me into maintenance mode |
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| 20:14.51 | valdyn | LordNazgul: does that file exist in maintenance mode? |
| 20:15.19 | leikh | anyone know what this means? "mounting locale filesystems failed with error code 96" |
| 20:15.22 | LordNazgul | nope |
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| 20:15.35 | valdyn | LordNazgul: cat /proc/partitions |
| 20:16.01 | LordNazgul | valdyn its in there |
| 20:16.19 | valdyn | LordNazgul: ok, so just create it in /dev/ for now |
| 20:16.34 | LordNazgul | just touch /dev/hda2? |
| 20:16.42 | valdyn | LordNazgul: no |
| 20:16.42 | schloob | anyone here use mod_cband? |
| 20:16.43 | moshii | LordNazgul: MAKEDEV |
| 20:16.51 | LordNazgul | ok |
| 20:17.02 | vin` | moshii: 7.0.10 works fine here. ;) |
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| 20:17.17 | moshii | vin`: Xorg? |
| 20:17.24 | vin` | moshii: yup. |
| 20:17.43 | moshii | vin`: Ah, is that using some of my packages? Can't remember heh |
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| 20:18.20 | vin` | moshii: I couldn't get the one from experimental going, nm. |
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| 20:18.56 | moshii | vin`: ah, I thought you might have used my nvidia stuff ... using the unstable xorg here, and the experimental one on the other box |
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| 20:19.12 | vin` | on to fiddle with xgl and compiz now? |
| 20:19.13 | moshii | qt4 seems to have killed kde on the other one though :/ |
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| 20:19.19 | valdyn | nvidia is fixed in sid now. |
| 20:19.27 | vin` | moshii: i915GM, native DRI. |
| 20:19.29 | moshii | ah, cool |
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| 20:20.04 | Octave_Octet | Hi. My printer does not work, even if every tool says it works (it justs sits processing jobs for hours) and even if it works in windows. Any idea ? |
| 20:20.25 | moshii | vin`: i854gm or something here, I hope once Xgl is popular the standard stuff is still supported .. gl is pretty slow on this |
| 20:20.25 | valdyn | Octave_Octet: have you read /var/log/cups/error_log ? |
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| 20:21.13 | valdyn | moshii: sure xgl does not change your X apps |
| 20:21.38 | Octave_Octet | valdyn: everything seems normal |
| 20:21.41 | Octave_Octet | I [13/Apr/2006:22:22:32 +0200] Job 22 queued on 'Imprimante' by 'root'. |
| 20:21.41 | Octave_Octet | I [13/Apr/2006:22:22:32 +0200] Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops (PID 17572) for job 22. |
| 20:21.41 | Octave_Octet | I [13/Apr/2006:22:22:32 +0200] Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 17573) for job 22. |
| 20:21.41 | Octave_Octet | I [13/Apr/2006:22:22:32 +0200] Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/parallel (PID 17574) for job 22. |
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| 20:21.54 | moshii | valdyn: yeah, but if everyone starts using gl based xservers the rest might get left behind |
| 20:21.56 | AciD | any bet on when xgl will be in debian ? |
| 20:21.57 | Octave_Octet | Ok 4 lines was too much |
| 20:22.14 | LordNazgul | valdyn makedev says dont know how to make device /dev/hda2 |
| 20:22.18 | valdyn | AciD: i bet in a month |
| 20:22.19 | moshii | AciD: it's possible to get it working, not really worth the trouble IMHO |
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| 20:22.34 | vin` | AciD: gravity had started working on it, should be in soon. |
| 20:22.34 | valdyn | AciD: not like it is useful right now though |
| 20:22.43 | AciD | cool |
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| 20:22.53 | moshii | LordNazgul: does just /dev/hda work |
| 20:22.54 | myxie | mknod /dev/hda2 b 3 2 |
| 20:22.59 | myxie | I think |
| 20:23.03 | nuxil | how do i install a deb file on my hd? |
| 20:23.04 | Octave_Octet | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/658408 |
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| 20:23.15 | nuxil | dpkg -i file ? |
| 20:23.19 | moshii | nuxil: dpkg -i yourdeb.deb |
| 20:23.25 | Octave_Octet | nuxil: dpkg -i yourfile but other tools might be useful |
| 20:23.26 | nuxil | ok.. thxz |
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| 20:23.36 | ice_1963 | install cupsys cupsys-bsd and printconf |
| 20:23.37 | AciD | it s just to show off in front of my windows-only team workers ;> |
| 20:23.38 | nuxil | what other tools |
| 20:23.43 | LordNazgul | moshii no but if im in /dev makedev hda seems to go ok, but when i ls it isnt there |
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| 20:24.16 | moshii | LordNazgul: is your root meant to be on hda2 then? |
| 20:24.28 | valdyn | LordNazgul: cd /dev/; ./MAKEDEV hda |
| 20:24.31 | LordNazgul | moshii yes |
| 20:24.35 | myxie | but you should make sure /dev/hda2 has the correct permissions after you successfully boot |
| 20:24.42 | nuxil | Octave_Octet what other tools? |
| 20:24.52 | LordNazgul | valdyn thats what i did |
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| 20:24.58 | jtaylor | Any idea how to construct a .ps or .pdf file from a .txt file fast? |
| 20:25.04 | myxie | a2ps |
| 20:25.09 | valdyn | LordNazgul: and that fails silently? |
| 20:25.15 | LordNazgul | valdyn yes |
| 20:25.16 | moshii | LordNazgul: hmm might be an idea to do the rescue from somewhere else, like a debian-installer cd |
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| 20:25.19 | Octave_Octet | nuxil: apt-get, aptitude if you want to download packages, you might also want to look at gdebi |
| 20:25.32 | myxie | Also, the standard printer stuff tends to come with a text to ps filter. |
| 20:25.36 | valdyn | LordNazgul: paste the output of 'mount' please |
| 20:25.37 | zamaliphe | hi all i have compill kde frome the sorce and i have compill it in home dir and now i wish make the x server know the kde plase how i do that? |
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| 20:26.00 | moshii | zamaliphe: what do you use to start kde? |
| 20:26.06 | valdyn | zamaliphe: vi ~/.xsession |
| 20:26.11 | LordNazgul | valdyn it says that it is already mounted |
| 20:26.18 | Octave_Octet | ice_1963: That was for me ? |
| 20:26.23 | LordNazgul | valdyn that makes some sense i am in maintenance mode |
| 20:26.24 | valdyn | LordNazgul: i want the output of 'mount' please |
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| 20:26.41 | signature16 | how do i setup a mail server |
| 20:26.44 | LordNazgul | ok just a sec i have to type it in manually |
| 20:26.45 | tiCo89 | hmmmmn |
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| 20:27.00 | valdyn | signature16: its setup already if you didnt fuck up your debian system manually |
| 20:27.01 | tiCo89 | update-grub always sets root=/dev/hda1 at every kernel |
| 20:27.13 | tiCo89 | how can i change it that it always sets it to /dev/sda1? |
| 20:27.25 | signature16 | valdyn: whats the program name so i can look up how to change things? |
| 20:27.29 | myxie | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (read it carefully) |
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| 20:27.36 | myxie | and then update-grub |
| 20:27.39 | valdyn | signature16: exim4, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 20:28.23 | LordNazgul | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/658415 |
| 20:28.32 | myxie | man update-grub wll tell you more |
| 20:28.33 | zamaliphe | valdyn i have to restart sory but i will be back ok |
| 20:29.12 | valdyn | LordNazgul: uh, you typed just 'mount' ? |
| 20:29.29 | valdyn | LordNazgul: i want to know if your / or /dev if that is extra is mounted 'rw' |
| 20:29.32 | tiCo89 | myxie: ah thanks, "kopt" =) |
| 20:29.38 | LordNazgul | valdyn mount /dev/hda2 |
| 20:29.46 | valdyn | LordNazgul: JUST 'mount' |
| 20:29.50 | LordNazgul | valdyn just a sec |
| 20:30.20 | myxie | Anyone have experience with their booting off a SATA with their old PATA causing problems? |
| 20:30.23 | minerale | how does one restart a deamon in debian? |
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| 20:30.29 | moshii | myxie: yep |
| 20:30.47 | moshii | myxie: disable the pata drives in the bios, the kernel will find them later |
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| 20:30.51 | valdyn | myxie: that is fixed only in very recent kernels i think.. |
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| 20:31.06 | LordNazgul | valdyn the liune in mtab says /dev/hda2 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
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| 20:31.28 | h2k | argh, the xorg 6.9 > 7.0 upgrade is pita... i can't set keyboard layout: Couldn't find rules file (xorg) |
| 20:31.32 | valdyn | LordNazgul: type 'mount -o remount,rw /' |
| 20:31.33 | LordNazgul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.37 | h2k | what am I missing? what needst to be reconfigured? |
| 20:31.55 | LordNazgul | valdyn ok |
| 20:32.23 | valdyn | h2k: apt-get install xkb-data |
| 20:32.55 | h2k | nice, I was missing that |
| 20:33.06 | zamaliphe | valdyn im back |
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| 20:33.17 | h2k | btw does the latest beta-intaller have 7.0 Xorg already? |
| 20:33.29 | valdyn | h2k: no installer has xorg |
| 20:33.39 | h2k | ah, nice |
| 20:33.40 | valdyn | h2k: and you shouldnt use beta installers unless you want to test them |
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| 20:33.55 | h2k | valdyn, why not to? |
| 20:33.59 | abrotman | testing/etch does not yet have x7 .. if that's the beta-installer you mean .. only sid/unstable have x7 |
| 20:34.19 | h2k | i'm on unstable |
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| 20:34.40 | LordNazgul | valdyn now what? |
| 20:34.42 | webmonkey | hi guys |
| 20:34.44 | zamaliphe | valdyn i dont have ./.Xsession fill in my ~ dir ? but i have ./.xsession-errors ? |
| 20:35.01 | h2k | Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property << X restart will help? |
| 20:35.08 | webmonkey | got a bit of a problem... i cant print nothing to my printer.. any ideas? I'm running CUPS, nothing in error log |
| 20:35.18 | valdyn | zamaliphe: just create ~/.xsession, ( no captial X ) and put your startkde there |
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| 20:35.42 | valdyn | LordNazgul: do your MAKEDEV thing again |
| 20:35.49 | X600 | Try printing something, rather than nothing. |
| 20:35.53 | zamaliphe | valdyn and the line that start kde is startkde: Starting up... |
| 20:35.53 | zamaliphe | /usr/X11R6/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /home/zam/.ICEauthority |
| 20:35.55 | webmonkey | ya tried that |
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| 20:36.00 | LordNazgul | valdyn same results |
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| 20:36.17 | X600 | You said you were trying to print nothing. Perhaps that was the problem? |
| 20:36.22 | webmonkey | x600: funnily enuff that was the first thing i tried, printing something |
| 20:36.36 | valdyn | LordNazgul: try mknod /dev/hda2 b 3 2 |
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| 20:36.44 | webmonkey | no i said i cant print anything to my printer |
| 20:36.53 | X600 | You said you can't print nothing. |
| 20:36.57 | webmonkey | same thing |
| 20:37.01 | zamaliphe | valdyn so do you think i should edit the "/usr/X11R6/bin/iceauth" or what? |
| 20:37.03 | h2k | error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy << and what about that in X startup? |
| 20:37.11 | valdyn | zamaliphe: nope |
| 20:37.19 | valdyn | zamaliphe: only your ~/.xsession file |
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| 20:37.37 | myxie | I turned on yaird debugging and got a shell with which I tested the LVM and RAID were all OK. The errors happen too fast to see INIT after that. |
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| 20:38.02 | webmonkey | anyone know what the program name of CUPS is when its running? |
| 20:38.09 | LordNazgul | valdyn i now see hda2 in /dev |
| 20:38.10 | zamaliphe | valdyn ok i will tray that and till you if it work or not |
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| 20:38.15 | zamaliphe | thanks valdyn |
| 20:38.21 | moshii | myxie: do you get the errors if you load the kernel with init 1? |
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| 20:39.02 | webmonkey | hi |
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| 20:39.28 | webmonkey | could use some help with my printer |
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| 20:39.54 | webmonkey | damn thing wont print anything, its been working fine for a year and suddently wont print |
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| 20:42.30 | Dabian | How do I make debian write my xfree? I know its something to do with md5sum .. but i forgot .. and I'd rather not browse too much with only textbrowsers, if I can help it.. |
| 20:42.39 | Dabian | (I've been away from the console for too long) |
| 20:43.09 | webmonkey | hi |
| 20:43.26 | Dabian | (I am currently trying to do the nvidia one-liner) |
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| 20:44.42 | Dabian | Whats wrong with this channel, btw? It should be cursing and offending innocent users who happen to be new? |
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| 20:44.47 | webmonkey | thats true |
| 20:44.50 | zinx | Dabian: well, ones named "Dabian" anyway |
| 20:44.52 | webmonkey | but all the bad asses have left |
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| 20:45.14 | webmonkey | mwilson, greycat, all gone |
| 20:45.15 | Dabian | zinx: Thanks! :-) |
| 20:45.17 | kurcze | hi... how to change locale settings for some user? |
| 20:45.26 | Dabian | zinx, I was beginning to think the channel lost its edge. ;-) |
| 20:45.45 | webmonkey | i still get hammered regularly |
| 20:45.49 | Dabian | zinx, btw .. you should rename yourself ... there is now an application called zinx :-P |
| 20:45.59 | zinx | Dabian: I came well before anyone else |
| 20:46.07 | zinx | Dabian: everything else should rename it. |
| 20:46.27 | Dabian | zinx: I am just busting your balls a little. :-) |
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| 20:46.30 | zinx | there's trojans and god knows what else by my name now |
| 20:46.45 | Dabian | cool |
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| 20:46.54 | kspath | !smite webmonkey RTFM |
| 20:47.03 | Dabian | zinx: My nick happen to be unrelated to Debian. |
| 20:47.03 | webmonkey | heh |
| 20:47.19 | Dabian | !smite dpkg RTFM |
| 20:47.20 | moshii | kurcze: apt-get install locales |
| 20:47.28 | kurcze | done |
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| 20:47.34 | kurcze | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:47.39 | kurcze | changes only for root |
| 20:47.42 | minerale | Englis is not my main language and "dict smite" did not help either... what does ''smite'' mean? |
| 20:47.46 | kspath | kurcze: Chicken? |
| 20:47.47 | kurcze | user still have POSIX |
| 20:47.55 | kurcze | kspath: yup :) |
| 20:48.05 | moshii | kurcze: you can sent the default, or export LANG or/and LC_CTYPE for your user :) |
| 20:48.10 | Dabian | zinx: Anyhow .. do you remeber where I find out how to tell debian its ok to wipe /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 20:48.13 | kspath | minerale: To hit or smack but more special. |
| 20:48.18 | webmonkey | kspath: I could call you something really bad, but i wont. |
| 20:48.26 | Dabian | !cluebat webmonkey |
| 20:48.27 | zinx | Dabian: nope, been a long time since i used a release that used XF86 :D |
| 20:48.46 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 20:48.46 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:48.52 | Dabian | zinx : Hmm .. this is xorg .. is the configfile called something different? |
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| 20:48.59 | kspath | webmonkey: kurcze mean chicken in another language. like pollo means chicken in another language. |
| 20:49.01 | zinx | Dabian: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:49.11 | Dabian | valdyn: THanks! |
| 20:49.12 | kurcze | Some strange things are happening with keyboard after upgrade |
| 20:49.28 | kurcze | ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't switch to text console |
| 20:49.32 | conga | who in here thinks that a) debian stable is the only acceptable debian branch for a production server b) debian testing is stable enough for most servers? |
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| 20:49.51 | Dabian | conga : woody is also good for servers, still. |
| 20:49.54 | valdyn | !tell conga -about polls |
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| 20:50.23 | kspath | kurcze: try shift ctrl alt f1 |
| 20:50.38 | conga | evil me.. reworded question: is testing stable enough for most servers or is stable a must? |
| 20:50.55 | valdyn | conga: why would one even consider testing for a server? |
| 20:51.06 | moshii | conga: stable has better security support.. |
| 20:51.13 | webmonkey | I [13/Apr/2006:21:52:41 +0100] Full reload complete. |
| 20:51.13 | webmonkey | E [13/Apr/2006:21:52:41 +0100] StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 00000000:631 - Address already in use. |
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| 20:51.14 | kurcze | works... but int text console backspace doesn't work :) |
| 20:51.15 | webmonkey | any ideas? |
| 20:51.18 | valdyn | conga: define 'stable' for us to be able to tell you if etch is it |
| 20:51.20 | kurcze | s/int/in |
| 20:51.27 | lcore | conga: testing is for testing |
| 20:51.42 | conga | valdyn: because i need newer packages than these stoneage packages in stable |
| 20:51.52 | conga | valdyn: run for months without breakage is stable |
| 20:52.09 | conga | i'm running a server with testing for about a year without any problems now |
| 20:52.27 | moshii | conga: you're answering your own question ;) |
| 20:52.41 | valdyn | conga: with that limited a definition of stable you can even use sid |
| 20:52.52 | valdyn | conga: now if you want smooth upgrades, security support or somesuch, probably not then |
| 20:52.56 | conga | moshii: probably.. but i wanted to hear if it could be just luck ;) |
| 20:53.25 | kurcze | well... ekhm... alt doesn't work correctly... I can't type specific characters |
| 20:53.27 | moshii | conga: I think "stable" means more "stable base" than "stable uptime" or anything like that |
| 20:53.29 | conga | valdyn: well my weekly upgrade works so far. for security updates there are updates for testing since last year, no? |
| 20:53.45 | valdyn | conga: yes |
| 20:53.45 | conga | moshii: ok true |
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| 20:54.02 | moshii | conga: stable doesn't break, gets security updates, but is "stable" so isn't all that new |
| 20:54.15 | valdyn | conga: the major 'feature' of debian/stable is that features do not change ever. |
| 20:54.32 | valdyn | conga: not in particular that it does not crash |
| 20:54.35 | webmonkey | hi |
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| 20:55.16 | conga | valdyn: but would you say that testing is reasonably stable for a web server when being careful with upgrades? |
| 20:55.25 | kurcze | hmm hmm... see you... and thank you for help |
| 20:55.30 | valdyn | conga: sure |
| 20:55.32 | conga | i'm not running software which had major security problems in the pastr |
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| 20:55.53 | conga | valdyn: that's good to hear, thanks |
| 20:55.54 | moshii | conga: get on the DSA list and set filters to pick out the stuff you run |
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| 20:56.08 | conga | yeah i'm on the DSA and read every new announcement |
| 20:57.06 | kspath | conga: "i'm not running software which had major security problems in the past" which means you are waiting for those you are running to have "major" security problems? |
| 20:57.12 | valdyn | conga: using testing you're just more exposed to upstream issues, if upstream is very stable then the testing package usually is just the same |
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| 20:57.31 | E-bola | should i use pump for dhcp in debian sarge? |
| 20:57.43 | E-bola | or just set the interface as dhcp in the interface file? |
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| 20:58.01 | conga | kspath: no, just wanted to express that the software i run is not expected to have many security updates which are not released for testing |
| 20:58.12 | moshii | Is there anyway of getting rid of this zeroconf stuff that seems to have appeared on my unstable machines recently? |
| 20:58.23 | valdyn | moshii: remove it ) |
| 20:58.27 | conga | valdyn: is there a mailing list dedicated to testing issues or should i just watch the upgrade operation closely? |
| 20:58.29 | bit_doidao | e-bola, just set it as dhcp in /etc/network/interface |
| 20:58.32 | valdyn | moshii: gnome depends on avahi though |
| 20:58.52 | valdyn | !testing security |
| 20:58.52 | dpkg | testing security is probably Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/ , but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ , ask me about <secure-testing-master apt-key> |
| 20:59.02 | E-bola | bit_doidao: and after i set it form a static to dhcp |
| 20:59.05 | E-bola | what do i need to do |
| 20:59.06 | valdyn | conga: no idea, i dont use testing.. |
| 20:59.07 | moshii | valdyn: I don't use gnome, but I think avahi has come in from somewhere |
| 20:59.10 | E-bola | to activate the change? |
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| 20:59.39 | valdyn | moshii: just remove it and see what else gets pulled? |
| 20:59.39 | bit_doidao | e-bola, just put something like this: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:59.58 | conga | valdyn: ok thanks again. |
| 20:59.58 | bit_doidao | after that, you must restart the network services |
| 21:00.00 | conga | bye |
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| 21:00.14 | bit_doidao | e-bola: with /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:00.45 | moshii | valdyn: vlc seems to depend on the avahi libs |
| 21:01.24 | valdyn | moshii: mm, you should still be able to remove at least the daemons |
| 21:01.28 | oskie | something bad happened after upgrading (amd64), startx etc is no longer in $PATH |
| 21:02.22 | E-bola | whats pump for if u dont need it to run dhcp? |
| 21:02.22 | valdyn | oskie: so xorg7 isnt yet completely compiled for amd64, maybe, try apt-get install xorg |
| 21:02.43 | moshii | valdyn: I've managed to stop the interfaces randomly changing ip addresses, but ifup moans about a zeroconf file missing.. |
| 21:02.43 | valdyn | E-bola: its a dhcp client |
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| 21:03.01 | oskie | valdyn: it's all broken...some packages are 7.0 and some 6.9 :( i don't know how to fix this.. |
| 21:03.39 | oskie | xfonts-utils doesn't seem to be a package in amd64 |
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| 21:03.51 | valdyn | oskie: wait till its compiled or dont use sid if you cant deal with issues, or read the topic or purge X and install xorg 6.9 from testing |
| 21:04.16 | valdyn | oskie: as i said, not all xorg7 packages are compiled for amd64 yet |
| 21:04.19 | oskie | valdyn: i can deal with issues..that's why i ask in here... |
| 21:04.47 | valdyn | oskie: or compile the missing packages yourself |
| 21:05.35 | oskie | valdyn: it's pretty dumb to compile only 'some' packages and place them into sid, breaking X entirely, when there are other alternatives (experimental or not uploading to sid at all) |
| 21:05.44 | valdyn | moshii: that thing isnt directly caused by avahi, i dont have such issues, some package seems to have messed with your interfaces file i guess |
| 21:05.52 | oskie | but it's too late to blame the maintainers now... |
| 21:05.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:05.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 21:06.23 | ekkikrist | oskie: You are the only one to blame if you are using sid. |
| 21:06.36 | moshii | valdyn: I noticed a couple weeks ago that a zeroconf process had appeared and it was messing with stuff.. got rid of that, but it seems it isn't all gone :/ |
| 21:07.04 | oskie | ekkikrist: now that's wrong... sid is meant to be used, by experienced users |
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| 21:07.32 | ekkikrist | oskie: Sid is broken, always. Don't complain about this. |
| 21:07.44 | valdyn | oskie: the packages are ok, but compiling happens automatically but the buildds, its just not finished, maybe it will be tomorrow |
| 21:07.45 | moshii | oskie: I get the feeling sid isn't really meant to be used by anyone that doesn't want broken stuff |
| 21:07.45 | oskie | ekkikrist: it's not... but i won't complain. |
| 21:07.53 | ekkikrist | :) |
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| 21:08.08 | ekkikrist | I should add that it's broken by design. |
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| 21:08.26 | tarzeau | ekkikrist: i'd rather call it new and old |
| 21:08.31 | moshii | people running those sort of archs must be good at waiting ^^ |
| 21:08.36 | tarzeau | ekkikrist: alot of software in sid is just fine |
| 21:08.54 | ekkikrist | tarzeau: Yes of course, but it is expected to be broken |
| 21:09.05 | tarzeau | ekkikrist: it's ok if it breaks |
| 21:09.10 | oskie | good at waiting, or just good at downgrading... |
| 21:09.15 | ekkikrist | That is no fault of the maintainers |
| 21:09.15 | valdyn | non - i386 arches just 'break' a gazillion times more due to the slow buildds, even amd64 |
| 21:09.22 | tarzeau | ekkikrist: the idea is, you're not allowed to blame anyone if it is broken for you |
| 21:09.26 | tarzeau | ekkikrist: exactly |
| 21:09.37 | tarzeau | valdyn: i disagree |
| 21:09.46 | tarzeau | valdyn: not everyone makes their packages on i386/linux |
| 21:09.50 | ekkikrist | tarzeau: Yes that's what I am trying to impress upon oskie :) |
| 21:10.09 | valdyn | tarzeau: that is true, but i run both and i see the issues daily |
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| 21:10.23 | tarzeau | valdyn: i run several others. and i don't see them |
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| 21:10.28 | valdyn | tarzeau: the majority does and uploads i386 |
| 21:10.38 | tarzeau | valdyn: but using more than one arch helps also to find bugs in source and make it better |
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| 21:10.51 | valdyn | tarzeau: sure |
| 21:10.52 | tarzeau | valdyn: yes, but many others also use different things |
| 21:10.53 | mike-m | the libxcursor-dev package doesn't provide usr/lib/libXcursor.la :/ |
| 21:11.07 | moshii | tarzeau: but if a arch is only 50% built there are more problems than just bugs |
| 21:11.19 | valdyn | tarzeau: i put 'break' in '' intentionally, since it really is just one package missing for a 'complete' upgrade |
| 21:11.19 | tarzeau | valdyn: last year i've only used ppc, this year i use i386/gnu-kfreebsd |
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| 21:11.36 | tarzeau | moshii: what arch are you talking about? 50% and less is only one: Hurd |
| 21:11.42 | TTT_Travis | Hi guys, I have an older computer It is working great with linux, much better then I expected actually. Anyway, this computer has a phone modem with phone ports on the back that let you plug in a phoneline, I just got an idea why not use this computer as a phone. so is there any software that lets you dial numbers and recieve calls on linux? |
| 21:11.52 | moshii | tarzeau: I'm sure the sparc stuff takes a while to build |
| 21:12.02 | valdyn | TTT_Travis: minicom |
| 21:12.04 | moshii | tarzeau: unless they're cross compiling |
| 21:12.18 | tarzeau | moshii: there exist fast sparc computers... |
| 21:12.29 | TTT_Travis | valdyn what is that? |
| 21:12.40 | valdyn | TTT_Travis: apt-cache show minicom |
| 21:13.17 | TTT_Travis | so if I understand right, with this program when someone calls my home phone number my computer will ring |
| 21:13.22 | seksi | hello, my friend updated Debian 3.1, and he gave me "update files"...and i want to use that update to update me... :) but i don't know how to do that...how to update...where to put that files...??? can someone help me??? |
| 21:13.30 | moshii | tarzeau: true, how about an m68k then? imagine building xorg on an 060! |
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| 21:13.35 | oskie | heh..downgrading from xorg 7.0 or xorg 6.9 seems to be easier said than done... so many packages that need manual installation |
| 21:13.48 | magyar | any updates on xorg7 for sid? |
| 21:13.50 | tarzeau | seksi: ~; dpkg -i *.deb |
| 21:13.56 | valdyn | oskie: you remove X and that will remove _Alot_ of packages, |
| 21:13.59 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 21:13.59 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 21:14.06 | tarzeau | moshii: yes m68k are slow... |
| 21:14.11 | TTT_Travis | valdyn have you used minicom todo what I am doing? |
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| 21:14.13 | seksi | tarzeau, are you sure ??? :))) |
| 21:14.20 | valdyn | oskie: there's no need to manually remove alot of individual packages |
| 21:14.30 | tarzeau | seksi: you don't have internet? |
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| 21:14.34 | valdyn | TTT_Travis: no, its not really meant for doing what you want |
| 21:14.47 | seksi | but, is there better way to do that??? something with apt, or with synaptic??? |
| 21:14.56 | TTT_Travis | valdyn oh |
| 21:15.00 | seksi | tarzeau, i have internet, but it is too slow for that... |
| 21:15.02 | tarzeau | seksi: yes, but you need internet for that |
| 21:15.03 | TTT_Travis | so theres nothing for what I want |
| 21:15.08 | oskie | valdyn: i'm manually downgrading packages... if I remove X, how can I reinstall 6.9.0 when the latest in sid is 7.0/6.9 (broken) mixture? |
| 21:15.08 | magyar | anyone has a xotg7 built? |
| 21:15.08 | tarzeau | seksi: how slow? 1kb/s ? |
| 21:15.16 | tarzeau | seksi: slow is no problem if you have time |
| 21:15.20 | seksi | tarzeau, why...i have 3gb update... |
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| 21:15.23 | valdyn | oskie: use the testing packages |
| 21:15.23 | magyar | s/xotg/xorg |
| 21:15.25 | tarzeau | seksi: so what? |
| 21:15.29 | tarzeau | seksi: you have time or not? |
| 21:15.44 | seksi | tarzeau, but...there is also huge phone bill :))) |
| 21:15.59 | seksi | tarzeau, i have time...but why should i download it from net when i have it on my hdd? |
| 21:16.00 | tarzeau | seksi: don't use debian then |
| 21:16.27 | ski | (sarge) i want to mount remote windows filesystem, i use smbfs, yes ? .. what is smbclient for ? |
| 21:16.42 | tarzeau | ski: it's like an ftp program but for smb |
| 21:16.50 | seksi | tarzeau, is there someone else who can help me??? sorry, tarzeau, but you are not helping me :) |
| 21:16.59 | seksi | is there someone else who can help me??? sorry, tarzeau, but you are not helping me :) |
| 21:17.10 | moshii | seksi: you should run stable if your connection is slow |
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| 21:17.37 | matadon | How would one go about buring a data DVD under Linux? |
| 21:17.39 | E-bola | can u see if an interface has a cable connected? |
| 21:17.54 | valdyn | matadon: 'growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso' |
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| 21:17.59 | seksi | moshii, but I have update on my hdd...above 3GB... |
| 21:18.06 | thingfish | boy. next time I'll wait until the computer is *all* the way off before I unplug a hard drive. |
| 21:18.08 | ski | tarzeau : so, it's not tools related to setting up a smb server, then ? (into in apt wasn't so clear, i thought) |
| 21:18.13 | seksi | moshii, can I use that??? |
| 21:18.55 | moshii | seksi: do you have a nicely formatted update .. i.e. a debian dvd iso or just a pile of random packages? |
| 21:19.13 | TTT_Travis | valdyn do you know of anything else that might help me do what I want? |
| 21:19.22 | conga | it's me again ;) i just tried to dist-upgrade my minimal stable system to testing. it wants to remove one package: base-config. is base-config needed after the initial install or is it ok to remove it? |
| 21:19.37 | seksi | moshii, random packages... :( |
| 21:19.40 | moshii | conga: base-config can go |
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| 21:20.02 | conga | thanks moshii |
| 21:20.06 | moshii | seksi: it's going to be very hard for you do upgrade you system like that |
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| 21:20.29 | seksi | moshii, ok, i'll find another way to update...thanks anyway... |
| 21:20.29 | jimmybgood | where are the Xorg 7 X, xorg.conf and dexconf man pages? |
| 21:20.43 | moshii | ski: what dist are you running? |
| 21:20.48 | seksi | tarzeau, thank you too... |
| 21:20.52 | moshii | seksi: what dist are you running? |
| 21:20.54 | jimmybgood | Is there a new xserver-xorg-doc package? |
| 21:21.10 | Yan^ | liable: hello, maybe you remember me, yesterday I bothered everybody with my raden+debian |
| 21:21.27 | ski | moshii : debian sarge (as noted above) |
| 21:21.41 | moshii | ski: sorry, that was meant from someone else |
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| 21:22.02 | ski | (moshii : oh, np) |
| 21:22.08 | tienchi | hi |
| 21:22.28 | moshii | ski: for an smb server use samba and to browse smb shares you can use smbclient :) |
| 21:22.46 | tienchi | please, somebody can tell me the path of the configuration file for the monitor??? |
| 21:23.03 | moshii | tienchi: for X? |
| 21:23.04 | ski | tarzeau,moshii : ok, ty for the clarification |
| 21:23.08 | tienchi | yes |
| 21:23.16 | TTT_Travis | how do I play an mp3 file from terminal> |
| 21:23.26 | moshii | tienchi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg/xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:23.36 | ft | TTT_Travis: mpg321 |
| 21:23.50 | Yan^ | liable: are you here? ;) |
| 21:23.53 | moshii | tienchi: or its in /etc/X11 .. but you don't want to go in there |
| 21:24.03 | liable | Yan^: yes, how did you go? |
| 21:24.11 | tarzeau | TTT_Travis: opencubicplayer |
| 21:24.14 | TTT_Travis | k |
| 21:24.25 | tarzeau | madplay is another |
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| 21:24.50 | Yan^ | liable: so I installed etch, and it worked as a dream, without a slightest problem ;)) |
| 21:25.28 | Yan^ | now I have already some small progs installed like Tex or ghostview, and all |
| 21:25.40 | Yan^ | (just finished) |
| 21:25.49 | liable | Yan^: good news. |
| 21:26.10 | ft | cmus would be yet another curses based player, sadly it's not yet included in debian... |
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| 21:26.33 | magyar | ahoy, my krfb (remote destop) keeps on crashing when used with "UltraVNC32" is there a different program that will not crash krfb? |
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| 21:27.04 | Yan^ | liable: so for the moment I am quite happy, and thanks for yesterday discussion, although the choir was telling me that etch would not help, ;)) |
| 21:27.04 | jimmybgood | Would someone who is running Xorg 7 mind entering "man xorg.conf" at a prompt and telling me what happens? |
| 21:27.06 | moshii | magyar: tightVNC |
| 21:27.14 | Yan^ | by the way I like it much better than ubuntu |
| 21:27.16 | gary | I'm trying to do some simple bash, as although I am extremely competent at shell, I have never really created scripts. Anyway, I can't get the syntax for defining a variable correct (/bin/bash btw) |
| 21:27.24 | gary | myvar = 10; echo $myvar; |
| 21:27.27 | kibab | Hey... newbie question that I didn't see (or missed) in the handbook... what's the best way to list off all the installed packages? |
| 21:27.31 | Yan^ | liable: it seems to me it is much more calm |
| 21:27.35 | moshii | jimmybgood: no manual entry |
| 21:27.35 | gary | it errors, saying "command not found" |
| 21:27.37 | Yan^ | and reasonable |
| 21:27.37 | gary | any ideas? |
| 21:27.39 | tarzeau | kibab: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 21:27.58 | kibab | tarzeau: thanks... will man dpkg |
| 21:27.59 | Yan^ | Liable: with respect to ubuntu I never had probs with adding the packages |
| 21:28.07 | jimmybgood | moshii: thanks, i can't find it even though the generated xorg.conf makes the referall |
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| 21:28.14 | liable | Yan^: glad you like it. |
| 21:28.17 | moshii | jimmybgood: though it is shown by man -k xorg.conf |
| 21:28.53 | jimmybgood | moshii: can you tell me what package it's in? |
| 21:29.12 | oskie | where did I get nvidia-glx 1.0.8178 for amd64? |
| 21:29.13 | jimmybgood | I get xorg.conf: nothing appropriate. |
| 21:29.15 | Yan^ | liable: thanks, and I think i will return for some more advice, can not beleive that it is all over ;)) |
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| 21:31.23 | moshii | jimmybgood: nope, can't find it :/ |
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| 21:32.38 | jimmybgood | moshii: yeah, your whatis cache hasn't been updated |
| 21:32.56 | jimmybgood | several man pages have either been dropped or moved |
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| 21:33.05 | webmonkey | im having a problem printing using new fonts ive installed, printer program just crashes, any ideas? |
| 21:33.09 | florb | If I have a compiled source tree, how do I turn that into a .deb? |
| 21:33.41 | TTT_Travis | can I use asterisk with pretty much any dial up modem? |
| 21:33.42 | zamaliphe | valdyn thanks aloot it work for me gust fin thanks |
| 21:33.45 | florb | webmonkey: Does it crash if you remove the fonts? |
| 21:33.48 | TTT_Travis | I have a dial modem card thingy in my computer |
| 21:33.56 | TTT_Travis | will I be able to use it with Asterisk |
| 21:33.59 | razaza | since upgrading to xorg 7.0 xbindkeys doesn't work with my mx1000 anymore. I'm using the evdev driver |
| 21:34.00 | liable | is it only me, or does xorg7 look for the md5sums in the wrong directory?? |
| 21:34.29 | Yan^ | liable: btw, what is your version of debian? |
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| 21:34.43 | tienchi | moshii: thanks, i got it. here is another question, i have a wireless pcmcia card, cisco aironet pcm352, how can i install the driver? does the kernel come with the driver??? |
| 21:34.46 | toxic_ | [sed hlp] Is there a way to return the pattern of a string, rather than remove anything but the pattern ( instead of: sed -e file 's/[a-z,A-Z]//d' ). I need to extract an IP from a log containing text, ip, various numbers. |
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| 21:35.27 | moshii | tienchi: google for cisco aironet linux |
| 21:35.28 | zinx | toxic_: use perl unless it needs to work on a system where perl isn't installed |
| 21:35.42 | tienchi | moshii: ok |
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| 21:35.58 | evilbulgarian | hi, im having problems with a dell poweredge 1550 not activating the second nic can someone help kernel detects the card just no traffic lights |
| 21:36.03 | florb | Anyone? |
| 21:36.14 | liable | Yan^: i have a sarge box and a broken sid box |
| 21:36.14 | moshii | tienchi: if there isn't a linux driver, there is the ndiswrapper that'll run the windows drivers.. a native driver is better though |
| 21:36.23 | toxic_ | zinx, perl if I knew the language. I could technically do it in C/java, but it'd prefer using standard tools for portability |
| 21:37.25 | Yan^ | liable: why not try the etch? |
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| 21:39.12 | zinx | toxic_: sed -e 's/^.*[ \t]\([0-9]\{3\}\.[0-9]\{3\}\.[0-9]\{3\}\.[0-9]\{3\}\)[ \t.*$/\1/' will do it, probably. |
| 21:39.45 | toxic_ | zinx, Pretty royalish command there. Thanks alot |
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| 21:40.40 | liable | Yan^: thanks, but I will stick with what I have. |
| 21:40.41 | zinx | toxic_: blame sed's regex flavor. |
| 21:41.08 | toxic_ | zinx, hehe yeah, it's really a powerful tool, but quite cryptic as well |
| 21:41.09 | zinx | and i forgot a ], and \t needs to be a real tab afaik (don't think sed supports such things) |
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| 21:41.20 | spundun | hi all... |
| 21:41.52 | spundun | on debian, how do I find out what package a particular file (say /usr/include/elf.h) belongs to ? |
| 21:42.01 | zinx | spundun: dpkg -S foo |
| 21:42.11 | Yan^ | liable: I am asking just in order to understand what are the reasons to prefer sarge, and what are potential probs which I can have with etch |
| 21:42.12 | spundun | zinx: thankss |
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| 21:42.31 | zinx | spundun: or apt-file update; apt-file search foo, if it's not installed |
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| 21:42.47 | spundun | zinx: oh.. cool |
| 21:43.17 | Le_Vert | hey |
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| 21:43.25 | Le_Vert | do you know how to use rootstrap ? |
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| 21:43.39 | Le_Vert | it should be able to create rootfs for uml |
| 21:43.46 | Le_Vert | but i don't really understand how it works |
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| 21:44.55 | Gujiz | I'm forced to install ftp-server to my debian what of them you guys recommend? :P |
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| 21:45.01 | Le_Vert | pure |
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| 21:45.35 | colde89 | have installed a logitec quick cam. habe loaded the modules usb-video, videodev and ibmcam. have set /dev/vidio0 to chmod 666 and have installed xawtv. i`m member of the group video, but when i try xawtv in console, i get: v4l: open /dev/video0: Kein passendes Gerät gefunden, what else is to do? |
| 21:45.38 | hellfire7 | can you help me with a problem with the latest NVidia drivers in unstable |
| 21:46.03 | hellfire7 | I installed them but i since i installed them i can`t use my monitor at 1152x864 and 85Hz |
| 21:46.04 | chealer | hellfire7: yes. just let us clean our crystal ball |
| 21:46.25 | lepton | !ask |
| 21:46.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:46.28 | robin_sz | colde89: is this one of the 'philps' based logitechs? |
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| 21:46.33 | robin_sz | colde89: is this one of the 'philips' based logitechs? |
| 21:46.41 | hellfire7 | FX5200 and i haven`t had simular problems before |
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| 21:46.57 | colde89 | robin_sz: don`t now |
| 21:47.11 | pingouin | is the .forward file (with |/usr/bin/procmail inside) still necesary to use procmail/fetchmail/mutt ? |
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| 21:47.51 | hellfire7 | I can use it only at 75HZ |
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| 21:48.08 | hellfire7 | And the part of xorg.conf about my monitor is the same as before |
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| 21:48.55 | hellfire7 | if i change "nvidia" in the driver section to "nv" i don`t have problems and can use my monitor at 1152x864 and 85Hz |
| 21:49.32 | thingfish | hellfire7: if you hand edit that file, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg won't work anymore. |
| 21:49.35 | rigor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:50.03 | hellfire7 | anythink i should do? |
| 21:50.14 | hellfire7 | Will a backup of xorg.conf do the job |
| 21:50.29 | robin_sz | colde89: colde89: support for the philips based ones was removed from the kernel due to excessive zealotry .. try http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ for a full explanation |
| 21:50.31 | hellfire7 | i mean restore the backup and then reconfigure |
| 21:50.50 | thingfish | hellfire7: otoh, you may not have a choice if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give you the combination you want. |
| 21:50.50 | crov | Hi, i need help with this: checking for Tcl library... found /usr/lib/libtcl8.3.so.1 ; checking for Tcl header... {not found} ; Tcl cannot be found on this system.; this is for eggdrop |
| 21:51.20 | thingfish | hellfire7: do what job? |
| 21:51.20 | jimmybgood | hellfire7: you can always delete (or rename) xorg.conf and reconfigure |
| 21:51.23 | rigor | j /#igor |
| 21:51.29 | thingfish | hellfire7: yeah, try that. |
| 21:51.37 | hellfire7 | i`ll try it |
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| 21:51.57 | colde89 | robin_sz: thanks.. |
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| 21:52.03 | webmonkey | how the f... do u make templates or edit them in Kword, its a nightmare to use :-/ |
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| 21:53.01 | chealer | thingfish: note that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does work in spite of manual xorg.conf edition (as opposed to xserver-xfree86) |
| 21:53.05 | webmonkey | totally retwarded = kword |
| 21:53.11 | webmonkey | *retarded |
| 21:53.18 | crov | can someone help me with eggdrop and debian.. need tcl thing.. |
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| 21:53.34 | thingfish | chealer: wow, I did not know that. |
| 21:53.36 | chealer | webmonkey: please submit your unsolicited opinions about software to your blog |
| 21:53.46 | thingfish | chealer: thanks for the correction. |
| 21:53.48 | jimmybgood | chealer: didn't work when I tried it |
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| 21:54.12 | chealer | thingfish: no problem...I had to learn it from Mr. X himself! |
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| 21:54.18 | moshii | crov: install the *-dev package |
| 21:54.22 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 21:54.45 | crov | moshii Package tcl-dev has no available version, but exists in the database. |
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| 21:54.53 | SatanGolga | can i get to lilo.conf by booting with Debian From Scratch-cd? |
| 21:54.58 | Petrov | how can i shutdown in my terminal? |
| 21:54.58 | chealer | webmonkey: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:55.05 | moshii | crov: apt-cache search tcl dev |
| 21:55.23 | moshii | Petrov: halt |
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| 21:55.33 | liable | Petrov: shutdown -h now or halt |
| 21:55.38 | Petrov | moshii, thx |
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| 21:55.40 | Stevie | kill -11 1 |
| 21:55.41 | Stevie | :D |
| 21:55.46 | Stevie | (not recommended) |
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| 21:56.07 | webmonkey | ok |
| 21:56.08 | zergouille | Hi guys. how can I detach a launched process from its father ? |
| 21:56.42 | SatanGolga | dammit! cant boot with the new or with the old kernel -_- |
| 21:57.02 | SatanGolga | how can i run a "rescue" ? |
| 21:57.14 | Stevie | SatanGolga: What happens instead of a successful boot? |
| 21:57.16 | crov | moshii tcl8.3-dev: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
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| 21:57.25 | SatanGolga | Kernel panic |
| 21:57.34 | robin_sz | SatanGolga: boot from CD, type "linux rescue" at the boot prompt |
| 21:57.47 | Eulex | zergouille, foo & disown |
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| 21:58.01 | SatanGolga | like debian-bin-1-cd? |
| 21:58.12 | moshii | crov: well, find out what lib6c-dev won't install .. I suggest using aptitude |
| 21:58.22 | Stevie | SatanGolga: okay, what did it say caused the panic? |
| 21:58.24 | moshii | crov: s/what/why |
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| 21:58.53 | crov | moshii i have only command prompt, and need that tcl for eggdrop... |
| 21:58.54 | SatanGolga | couldnt find root= or something |
| 21:59.05 | zergouille | Eulex, but I have the foo process launched, already |
| 21:59.16 | SatanGolga | happened after reboot after installing new kernel |
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| 21:59.18 | Stevie | SatanGolga: That's not really what it said. You're going to have to come back with what it actually said; write it down if you have to |
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| 21:59.54 | SatanGolga | hehe, yes i know, cant remeber, was like 3 hours ago |
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| 22:00.05 | SatanGolga | but now i'm rescuing |
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| 22:01.19 | SatanGolga | Stevie: thx, i'll be back with exact info if it goes to hell |
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| 22:02.04 | Stevie | ok |
| 22:02.37 | pilgrim | does the user used to run apache (user:www-apache) need a shell? If not why is he given one by default (/bin/sh) |
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| 22:04.00 | charolastra | hey |
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| 22:04.30 | pilgrim | charolastra, hey |
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| 22:04.53 | unstable | !greet charolastra |
| 22:04.53 | dpkg | Nihao, charolastra |
| 22:04.54 | charolastra | does anyone know how X.org determines if a modline is "valid"? because my new Xorg install doesn't want to swallow the modlines i used with the old X |
| 22:04.59 | charolastra | ;) |
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| 22:05.17 | unstable | charolastra: Check http://x.org or /join #xorg |
| 22:05.23 | unstable | charolastra: What version of debian are you using? |
| 22:05.55 | Stevie | why do we even need modelines anymore |
| 22:06.10 | Eulex | charolastra, you may need to adjust your vertical and horizontal refresh rates |
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| 22:06.15 | charolastra | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.40 | unstable | !tell charolastra about unstable |
| 22:06.53 | Eulex | charolastra, oh, this happened after upgrading to xorg 7.0? |
| 22:07.10 | charolastra | well, i practically copyed all the neccesary stuff from the XG86Config |
| 22:07.18 | charolastra | yeah |
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| 22:08.44 | Eulex | charolastra, you upgraded directly from xfree86 to xorg 7.0 and expected the upgrade to go well? also, do you really need those modelines with xorg? |
| 22:09.15 | Eulex | they're made obsolete in some cases by improvements in drivers, iirc |
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| 22:10.17 | charolastra | look, everything works great; it's just that X.org doesn't want to take one (my prefered one) modline i used with the old X |
| 22:10.22 | tienchi | hi, can i install libsigc++ from apt-get??? |
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| 22:11.04 | TheJumbo | hi, I just upgraded my xorg (from the previous version to the current one) and after fixing a great number of various issues my KDE still has no background, kde control center does not start and konsole displays only white blanks when I type.... anyone knows what I may be missing? |
| 22:11.17 | TheJumbo | btw, tia |
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| 22:11.41 | SatanGolga | robin_sz: can i get to lilo.conf by using linux rescue? |
| 22:11.44 | Eulex | !tia |
| 22:11.44 | dpkg | i guess tia is the internet adaptor. It's some oldschool stuff that you had to use yonks ago. or non-free but was hacked once the md5 algorithm was cracked then came out tia2. |
| 22:12.06 | pilgrim | Does everyuser need a initial group? |
| 22:12.16 | charolastra | the old X just swallowed everything and in some cases the monitor wasn't able to display anything; X.org just decides to know better than me |
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| 22:12.23 | adriano | Hi, i'm using Debian "testing" and when I try to mount a loop device, booommm! Where're the /dev/loop* devices? I think the kernel mantainer forgot this one... |
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| 22:13.32 | adriano | Does anyone know that guy or he is here to tell me how I could fix that problem? |
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| 22:13.35 | dondelelcaro | adriano: have you loaded the loop module? |
| 22:13.51 | TheJumbo | somehow the kde does not cooperate with new xorg... windows don't disappear when closed and so on... a~nbybody has an idea? |
| 22:14.00 | adriano | what does you mean dondelelcaro? |
| 22:14.06 | SatanGolga | Stevie: maybe u know if i can edit lilo.conf by booting linux rescue? |
| 22:14.13 | PSG|Tartiflette | Why when i make a "hostname -i" i have 127.0.0.1 and not my adress IP ??? |
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| 22:14.35 | dondelelcaro | adriano: modprobe loop; as root. |
| 22:15.06 | adriano | no! I'm not! I think was default, hehehe |
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| 22:16.02 | Fir | instruction Google Adsense--> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/en.htm Download free Firefox® --> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox.htm |
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| 22:16.25 | adriano | dondelelcaro: how could I put that on BOOT? |
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| 22:17.07 | dondelelcaro | adriano: use modconf to add it to /etc/modules |
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| 22:17.34 | EdT | do you know a repository where I can find |
| 22:17.43 | EdT | fglrx 8.24? |
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| 22:17.48 | EdT | (ati drivers) |
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| 22:18.00 | cureless | PSG|Tartiflette: your FQDN is not set |
| 22:18.19 | zrin | it seems to me that the 2.6.15 amd64 kernel that comes with netinstall contains more drivers than the respective source package?!? Or did I miss something? |
| 22:18.27 | adriano | dondelelcaro: another thing. I just did "modprobe loop", but at /dev doesn't have LOOP devices. What I need to do now? |
| 22:18.40 | dondelelcaro | adriano: udev should create them |
| 22:18.51 | Eulex | zrin, I doubt it. why do you think that? |
| 22:19.11 | adriano | hummm! Then I realy need to reboot my system? |
| 22:19.23 | Eulex | adriano, use losetup to set them up? |
| 22:19.29 | dondelelcaro | adriano: no, no don't. Are you using udev? |
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| 22:19.48 | adriano | yes, i'm using it! |
| 22:19.54 | PSG|Tartiflette | [00:17:58] <cureless> PSG|Tartiflette: your FQDN is not set ==> How can i set it ? |
| 22:19.58 | TTT_Travis | I have a rockwell based voice and fax modem any idea how to get it working with debian? |
| 22:20.03 | TTT_Travis | lspci doesn't show it |
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| 22:20.14 | zrin | Eulex: I tried to build the kernel (2.6.15-1) from the source and somehow my NIC driver is missing ... hmm, does the kernel 2.6.15-1 amd64 smp source come in one or in two packages? |
| 22:20.19 | tienchi | hi, can i install libsigc++ from apt-get??? |
| 22:20.26 | cureless | PSG|Tartiflette: run "hostname your.fully.qualified.domain.name" |
| 22:20.30 | sobersabre | hi, this is OT issue... I have a permission of the file as follows: |
| 22:20.38 | sobersabre | ?------ ? ? ? ? ? hplip |
| 22:20.46 | PSG|Tartiflette | the FQDN = DN ? |
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| 22:20.52 | EdT | do you know a repository where I can find fglrx 8.24? |
| 22:20.54 | zrin | how can I find out what drivers are used for what devices? |
| 22:21.04 | sobersabre | how come this can happen ? |
| 22:21.18 | sobersabre | PSG|Tartiflette depends... |
| 22:21.32 | cureless | PSG|Tartiflette: kind of. FQDN is the open people can use to reach you from anywhere. |
| 22:21.39 | Eulex | zrin, the kernel sources come in one package each. you probably just forgot to include the driver you need for your nic when configuring the kernel. |
| 22:21.40 | SatanGolga | Stevie: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(3,1) |
| 22:22.19 | PSG|Tartiflette | i have dc=dns,dc=projetlinux,dc=org , my FQDN is NAME-OF-MY-COMPUTER.dns.projetlinux.org ? |
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| 22:22.50 | unstable | Is there a good legal channel on this network, anyone know? |
| 22:22.58 | zrin | Eulex: I doubt that; Is there just one source package, or is there the kernel source plus amd64 source (plus drivers)? |
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| 22:23.23 | zrin | Eulex: how can I find out what drivers are used at the moment and for which devices? |
| 22:23.43 | zrin | Eulex: I've installed testing amd64 2.6.15-1 |
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| 22:23.52 | zrin | Eulex: SMP |
| 22:23.57 | SatanGolga | Stevie: and if i boot LinuxOLD: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 22:24.48 | sorsis | does debian package system allow similar possibility for splitting sources to many files and to shut down some repositories easily, what yum is capable? |
| 22:25.03 | Eulex | zrin, most archs share the same kernel source. the only exception is the hppa and ia64 kernels of 2.4.17 and 2.4.18 |
| 22:25.15 | adriano | hi! |
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| 22:25.19 | zrin | Is it possible to find / get kernel configuration as it was used to build the kernel for netinstall? |
| 22:25.23 | sorsis | a bit weird sentence but i hope you understood what i meant |
| 22:25.32 | Eulex | sorsis, remove a repo? remove it from sources.list? |
| 22:25.42 | nvz | ah, finally like 7 hours later I got my 3 W-2's and my tax form and I am finally ready to get started.. sounds like a good time to take a break and prorastinate a bit :P |
| 22:25.51 | sorsis | Eulex: yes but not by editing sources.list by hand |
| 22:26.04 | Eulex | sorsis, write a script. |
| 22:26.30 | Eulex | sorsis, or use a graphical frontend like synaptic. and I think aptitude can do it too. |
| 22:26.41 | phretor | is it possible to selectively (de)activate modules loading on udev in the same way I used to do with hotplug? |
| 22:26.51 | Eulex | zrin, the kernel configs of the installed kernels can be found in /boot/config-* |
| 22:26.56 | adriano | dondelelcaro: at modconf I does'nt found "kernel/fs/loop"... :( |
| 22:26.57 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 22:26.57 | dpkg | methinks blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:27.00 | Eulex | phretor, ^^ |
| 22:27.01 | nvz | phretor: yeah its got to be possible, though I dont know anything about how |
| 22:27.06 | zrin | Eulex: thank you |
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| 22:27.24 | Eulex | zrin, yw |
| 22:27.32 | phretor | Eulex: I hate discover |
| 22:27.34 | dondelelcaro | adriano: are you running a Debian kernel? |
| 22:27.41 | SatanGolga | does someone know if i can edit lilo.conf by booting linux rescue or something so i can go around the Kernel panic at boot? |
| 22:27.45 | phretor | Eulex: I disabled it |
| 22:27.51 | zrin | Eulex: is there a way to find out which driver is being used for the NIC (or for some other deivce?) at the moment? |
| 22:27.54 | Eulex | phretor, read the full factoid. |
| 22:28.04 | phretor | Eulex: factoid? |
| 22:28.09 | nvz | phretor: if you dont have lots of removable hardware or something and know what drivers you need, then dont use them at all, remove the packages |
| 22:28.10 | Serinity | Is there a way to set things so a user can't ever have a deleted user's UID ? |
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| 22:28.16 | dondelelcaro | SatanGolga: what is the kernel panic message? |
| 22:28.18 | Eulex | phretor, what dpkg said. read all of it. |
| 22:28.19 | adriano | dondelelcaro: yes, yes |
| 22:28.25 | dondelelcaro | Serinity: keep the user around. |
| 22:28.37 | sorsis | SatanGolga: you can allways edit bootconfigs if you manage to boot computer and mount hdd |
| 22:28.39 | Serinity | dondelelcaro, no other way ? |
| 22:28.55 | dondelelcaro | Serinity: that's the way it's done. |
| 22:29.01 | Serinity | hum |
| 22:29.07 | Serinity | ok.... thanks |
| 22:29.10 | nvz | that doesnt even make sense to me.. if a user has the user id, then its not deleted |
| 22:29.12 | dondelelcaro | Serinity: if the user still owns files, there should still be an entry for them in /etc/passwd |
| 22:29.18 | Eulex | zrin, you usually can see that in the dmesg. |
| 22:29.22 | nvz | its his/her uid |
| 22:29.36 | Serinity | yes, in a way, it's not wrong |
| 22:29.38 | Serinity | ok |
| 22:29.39 | Eulex | zrin, like this: "eth0: Broadcom 4400 10/100BaseT Ethernet 00:12:3f:d6:42:98" |
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| 22:30.30 | zrin | Eulex: ok, eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1b800, 00:15:f2:ee:2b:57, IRQ 21. |
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| 22:30.55 | zrin | Eulex: but in menuconfig, i could not find this VIA Rhine II ... |
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| 22:31.07 | SatanGolga | sorsis: when i boot the old kernel: Kernel requires old modprobe, but couldnt run modprobe.modutils: No such file or dir, /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! and when i'm booting the new kernel i get Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(3,1) |
| 22:31.30 | Eulex | zrin, ifconfig -a also gives clues. and check lsmod for what modules you have loaded. try modinfo on the modules you suspect being it. |
| 22:31.47 | zrin | SatanGolga: mkinitrd |
| 22:32.09 | SatanGolga | zrin: hmm? |
| 22:32.22 | nvz | gotta go field test these binoculars anyhow before it gets any darker.. might as well take a hike |
| 22:32.26 | adriano | dondelelcaro: I'm using a Debian "testing" witch kernel is 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 22:32.34 | zrin | SatanGolga: did you make an initrd image for that kernel? |
| 22:32.41 | sorsis | SatanGolga: do rescue boot and go to edit your lilo config to similar what it was with your old kernel |
| 22:32.46 | razaza | I have a problem with the new Xorg and my xbindkeys config. The daemon is running but none of the mouse bindings are working anymore. With xev I can see that the buttons are working. I'm using the evdev driver |
| 22:32.52 | dondelelcaro | !+find loop.ko testing |
| 22:32.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 22:32.59 | SatanGolga | zrin: so i thought |
| 22:33.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'loop.ko' (4 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/updates/loop.ko) in admin/loop-aes-2.6.15-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/updates/loop.ko) in admin/loop-aes-2.6.15-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-486/updates/loop.ko) in admin/loop-aes-2.6.15-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7-smp/updates/loop.ko) in admin/loop-aes-2.6.15-1-k7-smp. |
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| 22:33.27 | zrin | SatanGolga: check if you have IDE / ATA support enabled |
| 22:33.37 | zrin | SatanGolga: in the kernel config |
| 22:33.42 | nvz | man I cant remember what shirt I was wearing yesturday |
| 22:33.42 | SatanGolga | sorsis: how can i get to lilo.conf? i come to the install menu when i run linux rescue |
| 22:33.57 | nvz | I'm about to find out how observant my friends are |
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| 22:34.17 | conga | will the python 2.4 migration be finished soon in testing? some packages for which there are 2.3 packages still lack 2.4 packages(e.g. mod_python) |
| 22:34.18 | SatanGolga | lol, i cant do anything right now, how do i boot? |
| 22:34.20 | phretor | Eulex: putting entries into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist didn't work for me |
| 22:34.27 | Eulex | phretor, hmm, ok |
| 22:34.38 | zrin | SatanGolga: with a boot CD? |
| 22:34.42 | SatanGolga | zarkda |
| 22:34.46 | phretor | Eulex: note that, I disabled discover |
| 22:34.48 | SatanGolga | sry |
| 22:34.52 | sorsis | SatanGolga: are you sure that you made rescue booting right? anyway. you can allways change to another terminal. |
| 22:35.07 | Eulex | phretor, sorry, no idea |
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| 22:35.34 | zrin | what shall a man do with "x2a kernel: Oops: 0000 [1] SMP" "x2a kernel: CR2: 000000183d36e820" |
| 22:35.48 | SatanGolga | sorsis: when the boot menu appears i write "linux rescue" and the installing process starts |
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| 22:35.49 | phretor | !blacklist |
| 22:35.49 | dpkg | [blacklist] Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:36.07 | sorsis | SatanGolga: mount your bootpartition there and go to edit /xxx/etc/lilo.conf where xxx stands for mountpoint where you mounted your / |
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| 22:36.40 | phretor | why my boot process does not blacklist modules as specified? |
| 22:36.53 | SatanGolga | sorsis: how? i'm pretty new on debian/linux |
| 22:36.54 | sorsis | SatanGolga: if i remember right you could set root partition while you make the rescue boot |
| 22:37.18 | adriano | dondelelcaro: at the /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7 directory are a loop.ko at the ../kernel/drivers/block/loop.ko |
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| 22:37.39 | dondelelcaro | adriano: yes, so add loop to /etc/modules; modconf should have seen it, but I'm not sure why it didn't |
| 22:37.43 | SatanGolga | sorsis: after "linux rescue" i boots and then i come to the "Choose Language" menu |
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| 22:37.50 | SatanGolga | how do i proceed? |
| 22:38.28 | dondelelcaro | SatanGolga: you were using a Debian kernel, and built your own kernel, right? |
| 22:38.29 | sorsis | SatanGolga: wait a sec. i'll try to get you step by step instructions. |
| 22:38.41 | SatanGolga | oh, neat |
| 22:39.02 | SatanGolga | dondelelcaro: no, apt-get installed... |
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| 22:39.28 | adriano | dondelelcaro: I just added. what I need to do now! |
| 22:39.29 | dondelelcaro | SatanGolga: boot off of the old kernel in lilo, then make sure you've got a new version of udev installed. |
| 22:39.35 | dondelelcaro | adriano: are you running udev? |
| 22:39.49 | adriano | dondelelcaro: yes, |
| 22:39.56 | SatanGolga | dondelelcaro: i get Kernel panic booting the old kernel |
| 22:39.58 | tuvwx | can't i install grub when my root partition is on lvm? if i can, what device should i give grub-install? |
| 22:40.12 | dondelelcaro | SatanGolga: and what's the panic when you boot the new one? |
| 22:40.27 | phretor | the main problem is: i don't want UDEV to load certain modules at boot |
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| 22:40.50 | dondelelcaro | phretor: so don't use udev |
| 22:40.55 | SatanGolga | dondelelcaro: NEW: Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! OLD: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(3,1) |
| 22:41.02 | sorsis | SatanGolga: i think you will survive if you just press F1 to get more isntructions about rescue booting. Other function keys work allso and give some more info about things. have you read those? |
| 22:41.14 | phretor | dondelelcaro: is it bad to use udev? |
| 22:41.20 | dondelelcaro | SatanGolga: you haven't loaded the module for your root filesystem or you've specified it improperly. |
| 22:41.21 | adriano | dondelelcaro: yes, I'm running udev, hehehe |
| 22:41.28 | dondelelcaro | phretor: no |
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| 22:42.10 | phretor | dondelelcaro: it have been automatically installed by apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 so I thought it was necessary |
| 22:42.15 | SatanGolga | dondelelcaro: boot: linux rescue root=/dev/hda1 u mean something like that? |
| 22:42.24 | streuner | its not bad to use udev, but we made the experience that many people who joining this channel had problems with udev... |
| 22:42.30 | dondelelcaro | SatanGolga: either fix the root= option appropriately (if this is a sata drive, it should be root=/dev/sda instead of root=/dev/hda) or boot off of rescue media, mount the drive; chroot, and fix it. |
| 22:42.43 | SatanGolga | sorsis: F1 doesnt mention rescue |
| 22:42.58 | sorsis | SatanGolga: try other buttons |
| 22:43.25 | adriano | dondelelcaro: yes, I'm running udev. What I need to do now? |
| 22:43.30 | phretor | streuner: so I don't have to use it only because I'm on 2.6.15? |
| 22:43.48 | zrin | what shall I do with "x2a kernel: Oops: 0000 [1] SMP" "x2a kernel: CR2: 000000183d36e820" ? |
| 22:44.15 | SatanGolga | sorsis: no nothing |
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| 22:44.24 | streuner | phretor: well, iam using actually 2.6.16 with udev and i have no problems, but that doesn't mean you have no problems with 2.6.15 |
| 22:44.48 | phretor | streuner: I have no problems. I just need a blacklisting mechanism |
| 22:44.48 | sorsis | SatanGolga: didn't you allready find how to set root partition for linux rescue? SatanGolga dondelelcaro: boot: linux rescue root=/dev/hda1 u mean something like that? |
| 22:44.52 | dondelelcaro | adriano: you need to either MAKEDEV loop; or figure out why uduevd didn't catch the modprobe event for the loop device. |
| 22:45.04 | dondelelcaro | sorsis: the installer doesn't take a root option. |
| 22:45.12 | streuner | phretor: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:45.15 | phretor | streuner: I don't want certain modules to be loaded at boot, that's all |
| 22:45.33 | dondelelcaro | phretor: you don't have to use udev ever; it's not even required by the 2.6.16 kernel. |
| 22:45.36 | tuvwx | how do i run grub-install if my root partition is on lvm? |
| 22:45.40 | phretor | streuner: I already putted things into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - not all of them are considered |
| 22:45.46 | SatanGolga | sorsis: i dont know how it should be |
| 22:46.10 | phretor | dondelelcaro: removing it causes the removing of kernel-image-2.6-686 installed package |
| 22:46.14 | sorsis | SatanGolga: do you have any linux live discs? |
| 22:46.20 | phretor | dondelelcaro: I taken it as a dependency |
| 22:46.21 | dondelelcaro | phretor: that's just a meta package |
| 22:46.23 | streuner | phretor: if you using yaird in an official kernel you'll get problems to make the initrd |
| 22:46.31 | dondelelcaro | !+depends kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:46.32 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:46.35 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:46.40 | dondelelcaro | Ryan Nguyen <ryan.nguyen@abaca.com> |
| 22:46.40 | SatanGolga | sorsis: i have deb-bin-1-cd and the netinstall-cd |
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| 22:46.55 | phretor | !blacklist |
| 22:46.55 | dpkg | blacklist is, like, Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:46.58 | streuner | the problems is, yaird won't create initrd |
| 22:47.07 | phretor | streuner: what about blacklist? |
| 22:47.08 | dondelelcaro | !+depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:47.13 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 (= 2.6.16-6) |
| 22:47.18 | SatanGolga | sorsis: should it be: linux rescue root=/dev/hda ? |
| 22:47.18 | streuner | and yaird is the only tool to make initrd without depending on udev |
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| 22:47.39 | streuner | so you need udev then :-) |
| 22:47.46 | phretor | dondelelcaro: make it this way: I remove udev, apt-get tries to remove kernel-image |
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| 22:48.17 | phretor | streuner: I like udev, I just need a simple way for controlling it |
| 22:48.18 | jlamr | does anyone know of a way to display files that have been modified or created in the past day or so? |
| 22:48.26 | dondelelcaro | phretor: then use the blacklists if you like it |
| 22:48.33 | dondelelcaro | jlamr: find with the -mtime or ctime option |
| 22:48.59 | sorsis | SatanGolga: a in hda stands for first hdd, number after hda1 stands for first partition. do you know whats correct? |
| 22:49.01 | phretor | dondelelcaro: I do use it - it simply does not care of some of my entries |
| 22:49.25 | SatanGolga | sorcis: probably hda1 |
| 22:49.42 | sorsis | SatanGolga: have you tried it? |
| 22:49.58 | phretor | dondelelcaro: for example, I putted `blacklist e100` into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but I still get e100 loaded at boot |
| 22:50.05 | phretor | !udev |
| 22:50.05 | dpkg | [udev] at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 22:50.38 | sorsis | and like i said, you can change to another terminal after you have booted installer and try if that would mount your partitions. you don't have to be able to mount it as root to edit it. |
| 22:50.48 | sorsis | SatanGolga: note ^^^^^ |
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| 22:51.54 | streuner | it seems we need an 'start an udev war' :-) |
| 22:51.56 | SatanGolga | sorsis: VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or 03:01 Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panoc: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01 |
| 22:52.15 | phretor | streuner: lol |
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| 22:53.27 | RadSurfer | my new debian install has no startx ? whats going on |
| 22:53.40 | abrotman | RadSurfer: did you install it? |
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| 22:53.42 | dondelelcaro | RadSurfer: you haven't installed x-window-system or xorg |
| 22:53.43 | Halitherses | Which optios should I use to creat ext3 filesystem? Is this ok mke2fs -m1 -j /dev/hdb1? |
| 22:53.56 | RadSurfer | why didn't the install program take care of that ??? |
| 22:54.04 | abrotman | because you didn't tell it to |
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| 22:54.14 | RadSurfer | I had no such prompt |
| 22:54.22 | RadSurfer | Ok. What do I do now about it please. |
| 22:54.27 | abrotman | you didn't get tasksel? |
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| 22:54.39 | abrotman | RadSurfer: which desktop do you prefer? |
| 22:54.42 | RadSurfer | I do not recall such a screen. |
| 22:54.47 | RadSurfer | I would like KDE. |
| 22:54.58 | abrotman | apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm |
| 22:55.02 | dondelelcaro | RadSurfer: run tasksel and install the desktop task |
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| 22:55.07 | dondelelcaro | RadSurfer: or , if you know exacyly what you're doing, install aptitude , run it, and install the exact packages that you want. |
| 22:55.12 | RadSurfer | I have only the 1st 4 cd's. |
| 22:55.12 | sorsis | SatanGolga: do you have windows on your computer as first partition? |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | or aptitude install kde x-window-system kdm |
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| 23:04.04 | abrotman | wheeeee |
| 23:04.04 | BullWeivel | dandesousa: yes |
| 23:04.05 | Stevie | Woah. |
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| 23:04.05 | harpiain | hi, dondelelcaro! I'm adriano, hehehe |
| 23:04.06 | dandesousa | holy moly |
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| 23:04.06 | dondelelcaro | mwe: in what way does it die? |
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| 23:04.07 | harpiain | I need to reboot my system |
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| 23:04.07 | mwe | dondelelcaro: well I can't ping any host |
| 23:04.08 | mwe | dondelelcaro: or surf or anything |
| 23:04.08 | mwe | dondelelcaro: irc stops responding |
| 23:04.08 | Azar | mwe: I had same problem, and in /var/log/messages I could see exactly when and how long I was down: it was my 3 yr old router dying, I replaced it |
| 23:04.09 | harpiain | dondelelcaro: now my loop devs are created. |
| 23:04.09 | sorsis | SatanGolga: thing is that your kernel can't mount your root from partition 1. either you haven't implemented support for that filesystem or you are trying to mount for example windows partition. |
| 23:04.09 | Azar | still lagging |
| 23:04.09 | abrotman | Azar: we've noticed |
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| 23:04.10 | sorsis | SatanGolga: and are you sure that your hdd is IDE disk? |
| 23:04.10 | Azar | mwe see my reply up |
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| 23:04.10 | mwe | Azar: yeah. another host using the same router stays up though |
| 23:04.11 | Azar | mwe ah ok then is something with your box |
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| 23:04.47 | mwe | yeah. probably. I have no clue how to find out what though |
| 23:04.48 | RadSurfer | Debian did not install X-windows for me. I only have CD's. What can I do ? |
| 23:04.48 | Azar | RadSurfer: you can install it yourself ask in private here /msg dpkg X |
| 23:04.48 | harpiain | dondelelcaro: thank you guy by your tips! |
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| 23:08.50 | Azar | RadSurfer: sorry /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | Azar: that's wrong |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | RadSurfer: aptitude install x-window-system kde kdm |
| 23:08.51 | Azar | oh sorry, I thought dpkg knows about X |
| 23:08.51 | sorsis | Azar: use proper package names |
| 23:08.51 | RadSurfer | that just repeats what I type. |
| 23:08.51 | RadSurfer | Should I just run the Install again? maybe I missed something? |
| 23:08.51 | Azar | RadSurfer: what abrotman said up ^^^ |
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| 23:11.16 | Azar | damn |
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| 23:13.42 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:13.44 | sorsis | "dark side is taking over freenode and rebels of OSS can't organize" |
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| 23:13.45 | Azar | nah, they do the spring cleaning on the servers I bet, or better yet, new hardware |
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| 23:13.46 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:13.47 | sorsis | Azar: optimist. i would bet on nuclear war. |
| 23:13.47 | Azar | sorsis: nah... I've seen worse |
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| 23:14.29 | simonrvn | weee here they come |
| 23:14.29 | Dwonis | !seen dpkg |
| 23:14.29 | simonrvn | hello Dwonis |
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| 23:14.29 | dpkg | Dwonis: i haven't seen 'dpkg' |
| 23:14.29 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 23:14.30 | dpkg | salut |
| 23:14.30 | simonrvn | dpkg: hi |
| 23:14.30 | dpkg | hola, simonrvn |
| 23:14.30 | Dwonis | hi simonrvn |
| 23:14.30 | Azar | Gnea hi |
| 23:14.31 | simonrvn | dpkg: hi |
| 23:14.31 | simonrvn | beh |
| 23:14.31 | jlamr | Does anyone notice something strange going on with the internet? |
| 23:14.31 | StereoSkit | wa! dpkg is socializing, how cool is that! |
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| 23:14.31 | abrotman | jlamr: you think? |
| 23:14.31 | Azar | jlamr: no, like what? |
| 23:14.32 | simonrvn | jlamr: no, just the network |
| 23:14.32 | sorsis | jlamr: like i said. it's nuclear war. |
| 23:14.32 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 23:14.32 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 23:14.32 | SatanGolga | Dwonis: ok, u dont know how it works with the deb-cd? |
| 23:14.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:14.33 | jlamr | looks like srious packet loss |
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| 23:14.33 | SatanGolga | zrin: wb :) did u have any ideas? |
| 23:14.33 | Azar | with my brand new router, I rock the internet |
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| 23:14.34 | simonrvn | read your server notices already |
| 23:14.34 | Dwonis | SatanGolga: oh, you could do that too, I guess. |
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| 23:14.35 | StereoSkit | hehe the geekest nick, InstallGrub |
| 23:14.35 | zrin | SatanGolga: about kernel not booting because of missing ATA driver?` |
| 23:14.35 | InstallGrub | i would like to know why my port forewarding using iptables trough ppp to eth1 make my internet lag |
| 23:14.35 | InstallGrub | i lost packet.. |
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| 23:14.35 | SatanGolga | the question is just how |
| 23:14.35 | abrotman | InstallGrub: ask #iptables ? |
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| 23:14.37 | abrotman | apparently zelazny is running on a linksys router and getting a DCC thing |
| 23:14.38 | SatanGolga | zrin: yes, or how i can edit lilo.conf by using "linux rescue" |
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| 23:14.39 | ski | if i want an nfs server (in sarge, (2.4.x kernel)), nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server ? |
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| 23:14.39 | zrin | SatanGolga: do you have a boot CD? |
| 23:14.39 | SatanGolga | yes |
| 23:14.39 | Dwonis | SatanGolga: I don't know the specific details, but you'd essentually boot the CD, get a shell, mount your filesystems, chroot there, run lilo, exit, unmount, and reboot |
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| 23:14.40 | zrin | SatanGolga: when you boot from it, can you access that root file system? |
| 23:14.40 | abrotman | is it broken or not!?!?! |
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| 23:14.41 | foo | I have a dell latitude c610. Everything works fine. I was testing the VGA output, and it works ... but I must exit X, and restart X .. in order for me to use it. Any ideas why? Hmm, I haven't tried a restart in firefox. |
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| 23:14.41 | foo | I mean, fluxbox |
| 23:14.41 | SatanGolga | zrin: i cant type: linux rescue root=/dev/hda1 |
| 23:14.41 | Dwonis | abrotman: everything is fine. nothing to see here. these aren't the droids you're looking for. move along. |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | it's a dell ? |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | Dwonis: Are you using Windows? |
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| 23:14.42 | Dwonis | abrotman: wha? no.... |
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| 23:14.42 | zrin | SatanGolga: which install CD are you using? |
| 23:14.42 | Dwonis | abrotman: why? |
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| 23:14.43 | abrotman | Dwonis: Dunno, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:14.43 | SatanGolga | zrin: debian-bin-1-cd |
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| 23:14.50 | zrin | SatanGolga: which release, which kernel? |
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| 23:15.02 | Dwonis | abrotman: what is "it"? A Windows EULA? |
| 23:15.12 | SatanGolga | zrin: the r1? |
| 23:15.28 | abrotman | bugger all, dunno, Dwonis |
| 23:15.36 | zrin | SatanGolga: 3.1r1 sarge? |
| 23:15.40 | Dwonis | thanks for the CTCP VERSION, merlincorey! |
| 23:15.48 | SatanGolga | zrin: yes |
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| 23:15.54 | SatanGolga | have the netinstall-cd too |
| 23:16.02 | LebraWurschD | good evening |
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| 23:16.40 | zrin | SatanGolga: do you know how to mount file systems and chroot? |
| 23:16.57 | SatanGolga | zrin: but if i boot i enter the install menu, there i can choose "Create a shell" BusyBox Built-in shell (ash) is it |
| 23:17.11 | SatanGolga | not in detail |
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| 23:17.25 | leikh | i've just installed the schoolbell-package. in the docs, it says i just av to browse to localhost:7180 to start with the fun... yeah, right! why the hell should I browse to :7180, when the installation didn't touch a damn thing related to apache2? does the package expect apache2 to be psychic? |
| 23:17.34 | zrin | SatanGolga: and you can get a second console with Alt-F2 |
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| 23:17.51 | SatanGolga | yes |
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| 23:17.58 | Dwonis | leikh: hence :7180. Apache isn't running there |
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| 23:18.57 | SatanGolga | zrin: yes, can i proceed from here? |
| 23:18.58 | Dwonis | leikh: erm, well actually I guess it depends if schoolbell hasits own HTTP server, or if it expects apache to work for it |
| 23:19.22 | zrin | SatanGolga: I never tried that linux rescue ... I would boot with install CD and mount that root FS |
| 23:19.25 | abrotman | !depends schoolbell-package sarge |
| 23:19.37 | abrotman | wtf package is that? |
| 23:20.01 | SatanGolga | zrin: lol, but i'm booting with the install-cd |
| 23:20.02 | Dwonis | ski: the user-space server has problems if you rename/delete a file while you have it open, apparently. |
| 23:20.11 | abrotman | ooooh .. lilo knows cracker sites! |
| 23:20.29 | SatanGolga | zrin: how do i mount the root fs then? |
| 23:20.30 | leikh | !depends schoolbell-package testing |
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| 23:20.37 | abrotman | oh .. it's a newer package? |
| 23:20.40 | zrin | SatanGolga: I'm very tired, going to bed now, ask someone to tell you how to mount your hda after booting with the install CD |
| 23:20.51 | abrotman | or not |
| 23:20.54 | SatanGolga | ok, thx zrin |
| 23:21.03 | zrin | SatanGolga: yw ... cu |
| 23:21.05 | abrotman | what shall i have for dinner?!?! |
| 23:21.05 | ski | Dwonis : so ppl'd recommend the kernel-space one, then ? |
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| 23:21.24 | leikh | !depends schoolbell |
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| 23:21.30 | dpkg | schoolbell: depends on python2.4, ssl-cert, openssl, lsb-base, python2.4-schoolbell (= 1.2.4-1), adduser, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 23:21.35 | SatanGolga | Dwonis: did u know how to mount the root fs after booting with the install cd? |
| 23:21.35 | Dwonis | ski: personally, I don't recommend anything less than NFS4. anything earlier doesn't even support the notion of "open" files. |
| 23:21.48 | abrotman | leikh: must have its own http server .. of some sort |
| 23:21.56 | ski | Dwonis : but that's 2.6 kernal, yes ? |
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| 23:22.03 | abrotman | !info schoolbell |
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| 23:22.09 | dpkg | schoolbell: (web-based calendaring server), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 23:22.18 | Dwonis | SatanGolga: if your root fs is on /dev/hda1, you'd do something like this: "mkdir /alt ; mount /dev/hda1 /alt ; cd /alt ; chroot ." |
| 23:22.19 | abrotman | leikh: is it any good? |
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| 23:23.25 | leikh | abrotman: if I can get it to work, perhaps... |
| 23:23.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:23.47 | Dwonis | ski: yes, and you need unofficial packages, IIRC. |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | leikh: isn't that always the trick .. after you do that .. can you make shared folders work in courier for me? :) |
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| 23:24.11 | abrotman | leikh: so it can be any frontend .. that's just the server |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:24.21 | foo | My VGA works. I plug it in on my dell laptop when I boot up and it works fine. But if I boot up without it, plug in the cable when I am in X, it won't work. I need to get out of X, then go back into X, then it works. Any ideas on how to have linux pick it up and make it work when I am in X? |
| 23:24.28 | SatanGolga | Dwonis: get No such file or dir, when mounting |
| 23:24.31 | ski | Dwonis : ok, ty for the info |
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| 23:24.49 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 23:24.49 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 23:24.56 | abrotman | Dwonis: are you a bot? |
| 23:25.02 | escalade | hi |
| 23:25.07 | Dwonis | abrotman: yes, abrotman. |
| 23:25.15 | abrotman | Dwonis: stats |
| 23:25.29 | simonrvn | 6' 10" 320 lbs. |
| 23:25.31 | signature16 | if i change the owernserhip of a file to the user and group of proftpd, will all users be able to write in the taht file? |
| 23:25.34 | Dwonis | abrotman: Dwonis was eaten by a grue. |
| 23:25.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're a big boy |
| 23:25.42 | leikh | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python2.4-schoolbell |
| 23:25.43 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 23:25.54 | simonrvn | i'm about 5'10" 140 |
| 23:25.55 | abrotman | leikh: i found it .. i'm reading .. |
| 23:25.57 | pilgrim | In which apache2 configuartion file is "DocumentRoot" specified in? |
| 23:26.01 | escalade | i have phpsysinfo running. and it says Physical Memory used 96% |
| 23:26.05 | escalade | is that normal? |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | leikh: does it not work? |
| 23:26.10 | signature16 | pilgrim: httpd.conf |
| 23:26.10 | simonrvn | !free memory |
| 23:26.10 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 23:26.18 | Dwonis | SatanGolga: oh, right... I think the Debian installer creates the device nodes as-needed. |
| 23:26.30 | pilgrim | signature16, it's blank. |
| 23:26.31 | ryan` | anyone know if mac os x can access ext3 filesystems? |
| 23:26.38 | signature16 | pilgrim where are you looking? |
| 23:26.45 | SatanGolga | Dwonis: which means? |
| 23:26.46 | Eulex | ryan`, in any case, you're in the wrong channel |
| 23:26.52 | pilgrim | signature16, /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 23:26.54 | leikh | abrotman: not on port 7180 |
| 23:27.05 | abrotman | leikh: maybe you have to .. start it ? |
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| 23:27.20 | escalade | when kernel + applications starts to use 96% then i need to start worrie? =) |
| 23:27.27 | leikh | abrotman: hmmm... |
| 23:27.31 | signature16 | what happens when you type in: http://<YOUR IP>? it gives an error i assume? |
| 23:27.35 | Eulex | escalade, did you even read what dpkg said? |
| 23:27.35 | Dwonis | SatanGolga: which means I'm not all that familiar with it. you'll have to poke around a bit, ask someone else, or just get another rescue CD (e.g. Knoppix) that is less quirky |
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| 23:27.49 | escalade | Eulex: yep |
| 23:27.58 | pilgrim | signature16, apache2 is not running right now, so yes it won't work. |
| 23:28.02 | SatanGolga | Dwonis: ok, thx for the help |
| 23:28.08 | Eulex | escalade, if you understood it, you wouldn't worry. |
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| 23:28.23 | signature16 | pilgrim: trying installing it with apt again |
| 23:29.04 | Azar | gah is my connection or this site is down? http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&Itemid=&task=view&id=2234 |
| 23:29.35 | Eulex | escalade, to get some real memory stats, run free and top. in free, look at the "-/+ buffers/cache:" row and in top at RSS and SHR |
| 23:29.51 | Dwonis | Azar: I can connect, but the server doesn't send a response |
| 23:29.51 | leikh | abrotman: yup, not running... |
| 23:29.57 | escalade | Eulex: ok lets see |
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| 23:30.28 | abrotman | WHAT?! |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | leikh: oh .. probably ought to start it eh? :) |
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| 23:30.52 | Azar | Dwonis: thank you same here |
| 23:31.35 | escalade | !SHR |
| 23:31.36 | leikh | abrotman: no way. i'm not doing the dirty work :) |
| 23:31.40 | pilgrim | FYI, the document root in apache2 to is in /etc/apache2/sites-available/<sitename> |
| 23:32.08 | Eulex | escalade, SHR is the amount if memory a program can share with other processes. |
| 23:32.12 | abrotman | leikh: blame canada! |
| 23:32.23 | Dwonis | abrotman: hey! |
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| 23:32.58 | escalade | Eulex: k |
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| 23:33.55 | escalade | Eulex: 120mb used of 512 still room enough :) |
| 23:33.59 | abrotman | Dwonis: it's just canada ... |
| 23:34.05 | Eulex | escalade, yep. |
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| 23:35.56 | leikh | abrotman: perhaps it was running... either way, ps -aux doesn't reveal it. |
| 23:36.17 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 7132 |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 23:36.50 | dpkg | from memory, open ports is netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 23:38.16 | InstallGrub | anyone know any package or any cnfiguration of ipv4 tha i need to use to optimize my conenction, i dont stop login package from ppp to eth1 using prot forwarding |
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| 23:39.58 | leikh | abrotman: looks like it depends on zope3. zope3 is installed, and can be found under /etc/init.d/, though /etc/init.d/zope3 start returns "Zope3: no instances found." what am i missing? |
| 23:40.21 | abrotman | wtf would it require zope ? |
| 23:40.23 | Halitherses | If i boot lilo from /dev/hda how do I tell lilo to load a kernel from /dev/hdb? |
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| 23:41.12 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: what does the login package have to do with port forwarding? |
| 23:41.14 | Eulex | !grub vs lilo |
| 23:41.14 | dpkg | grub vs lilo is probably http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-bootload.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01LILOandGRUB |
| 23:41.19 | leikh | abrotman: guess it's installed as a zope3-component... |
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| 23:41.59 | roler | when I play movies with totem or gxine, the colors are off... Can anyone help me diagnose this problem? |
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| 23:42.25 | abrotman | roler: stop doing drugs |
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| 23:42.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:42.54 | escalade | when i installed i chose for configfile based management. there was also an option to sue menu based configuration. is there a way to switch from config to menu? |
| 23:43.04 | leikh | roler: stop watching old movies |
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| 23:43.24 | roler | abrotman; ssshhhhhh |
| 23:43.56 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = actually, i dont know i feel like losing package.. |
| 23:43.59 | roler | now here is the thing... When I view pictures on website, the colors are fine. I am running 24bit video display. |
| 23:44.04 | roler | i also have all the windows codecs |
| 23:44.10 | Dwonis | roler: is that the super-secure shhhhhhell ? |
| 23:44.28 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = but i think input is ahright, only forewading has problem.. i bleieve ip4v port forward may have few trouble or someting |
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| 23:44.55 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = i just need a few help bcuz from ppp to eth1, im losing package.. |
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| 23:45.01 | tc_ | hi, some one can tell me if i can install libsigc++ from apt-get??? |
| 23:45.12 | tc_ | and gtkmm |
| 23:45.14 | travisat | roler: have you tried a differenct video player |
| 23:45.34 | roler | travisat, ; yes. . gxine and totem |
| 23:45.59 | Eulex | roler, both use xine by default. |
| 23:46.07 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: Can you describe your network configuration, in detail? |
| 23:46.09 | abrotman | tc_: which version of debian? |
| 23:46.13 | roler | so what is Another player to try? |
| 23:46.19 | Eulex | roler, you could try totem-gstreamer instead of totem-xine. or get vlc or mplayer. |
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| 23:46.39 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = well, debian as router, 2 computer trough a switch |
| 23:46.53 | tc_ | abrotman, the last version |
| 23:46.55 | travisat | roler: vlc |
| 23:47.03 | abrotman | tc_: that doens't help |
| 23:47.08 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = pppoe is the connection internet, trough eth0 and eth1 is the internet network |
| 23:47.17 | abrotman | tc_: how about you just tell us the error you're getting? |
| 23:47.21 | travisat | although xine should work, you probably have some setting wrong |
| 23:47.31 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = im using iptables for portwarding |
| 23:47.41 | abrotman | ask #iptables? |
| 23:47.43 | tc_ | abrotman, i am try to install the driver for the wireless card |
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| 23:47.59 | tc_ | abrotman, cisco aironet pcmcia card |
| 23:48.07 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: I suspect it's an MTU problem. (i.e. your computer thinks that ppp0 has an MTU of 1500, when it's really less than that) |
| 23:48.20 | abrotman | tc_: wtf does that have to do with the other two items? |
| 23:48.25 | tc_ | abrotman, i need them as requistiries |
| 23:48.30 | roler | well i'm installing totem-xine back - totem-gstreamer crashes on startup |
| 23:48.34 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = how to fix it? |
| 23:48.42 | abrotman | tc_: what is the error? |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | roler: try vlc |
| 23:49.27 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: Run "ip link show ppp0" as root. What does it say the MTU is? |
| 23:49.28 | tc_ | abrotman, chekcing for libsigc++, libsigc++ not installed |
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| 23:49.41 | tc_ | abrotman, the same with libgtkmm |
| 23:49.46 | abrotman | tc_: try the -dev packages .. see how much easier it is when you give the actual errors :) |
| 23:49.47 | InstallGrub | 21: ppp0: <POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP> mtu 1492 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 3 |
| 23:49.48 | InstallGrub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.06 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = tat what it said |
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| 23:50.12 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: hmm... that actually looks correct. |
| 23:50.18 | tc_ | abrotman, dev packages?? what's the mean? |
| 23:50.37 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: you should probably ask #iptables |
| 23:50.47 | abrotman | tc_: apt-cache search libgtkmm -dev |
| 23:51.06 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = i suspect the problem is not from iptables |
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| 23:51.25 | roler | abrotman, ; is there a way to know if it is simply a limit of displayable colors? I woulnd't think it is the problem because like I said graphics display fine, but i'm just not sure |
| 23:51.34 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: but you think it's a *Debian* problem? |
| 23:51.50 | tc_ | abrotman, E: Command line option 'd' [from -dev] is not known. |
| 23:52.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:52.23 | abrotman | apt-cache search libgtkmm dev |
| 23:52.24 | Dwonis | it must be Sunday |
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| 23:52.47 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = i think the problem is from pppd configuration trouble |
| 23:52.51 | Dwonis | wait, no that was your fault, abrotman |
| 23:52.57 | Dwonis | "<abrotman> tc_: apt-cache search libgtkmm -dev" |
| 23:53.00 | sybariten | there is no "apt" channel is there? |
| 23:53.14 | abrotman | Dwonis: it was :) |
| 23:53.25 | sybariten | i would like to find a way to see if i have installed the tetex package using apt-get ... or rather, if i installed the tetex-extra too |
| 23:53.26 | tc_ | oh |
| 23:53.54 | travisat | sybariten: dpkg -l |
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| 23:53.57 | tc_ | let me try |
| 23:54.05 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: Do you have trouble accessing the internet from the router box itself? |
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| 23:54.55 | InstallGrub | actually, im not sure, i never acces a lot trough the box itself. |
| 23:55.02 | chungaroo | how do i install korean fonts so i can view korean websites? |
| 23:55.05 | InstallGrub | but download and surfing is really smoth |
| 23:55.22 | InstallGrub | only my client machin has trouble, few can connect to msn, few not |
| 23:55.36 | InstallGrub | few llosing package during playing game |
| 23:55.40 | InstallGrub | few doesnt |
| 23:55.51 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: I think the word you're looking for is "packets" |
| 23:56.10 | roler | sigh |
| 23:56.42 | InstallGrub | packats XD |
| 23:56.43 | InstallGrub | yes sorry |
| 23:56.46 | InstallGrub | packets* |
| 23:57.02 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: I really can't say much more without a lot more information about _exactly_ what's happening at the low level |
| 23:57.07 | tc_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:57.19 | abrotman | tc_: all working? |
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| 23:57.36 | chungaroo | how do i install korean fonts so i can view korean websites?? |
| 23:57.55 | InstallGrub | Dwonis = is there anyway you can help me to fix it? |
| 23:58.22 | sybariten | travisat: everything listed using dpkg -l tetex* are things i have locally installed? |
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| 23:58.41 | tc_ | abrotman, i am downloading the libgtkmm2.0 already, but i dont understand what "dev" is mean |
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| 23:59.00 | freeone3000 | -dev means headers and source files. |
| 23:59.03 | abrotman | tc_: headers |
| 23:59.04 | abrotman | !dev |
| 23:59.05 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:59.11 | travisat | man pan has some serious memory leeks |
| 23:59.15 | dondelelcaro | chungaroo: probably by installing xfonts-baekmuk ttf-baekmuk; and any other fonts in apt-cache search fonts korean; that look interesting |
| 23:59.24 | Dwonis | InstallGrub: not without more information |
| 23:59.53 | travisat | it was eating up 400mb of ram right before I killed it |
| 23:59.58 | tc_ | abrotman, ok thanks. |
