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| 00:01.04 | unstable | amd athlon thunderbird, 1.1ghz |
| 00:01.13 | unstable | What kernel should be installed for an etch system with that cpu? |
| 00:01.24 | js_ | unstable: whatver-k7 |
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| 00:01.45 | unstable | js_: smp or no? |
| 00:02.03 | omi | Hello, is there a utility that breaks text files into some preconfigured lengths? |
| 00:02.22 | omi | or even better, by weeks |
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| 00:02.54 | js_ | unstable: smp is for multiple cpus |
| 00:02.55 | omi | (want to break huge log into many files by calendar weeks ) |
| 00:03.22 | simonrvn | omi: unix philosophy: many small tools that do one task very well, combined, to make another task. split, date, join, awk, and a few others |
| 00:03.32 | omi | Excellent |
| 00:03.54 | nimak | i cant start epiphany |
| 00:04.03 | omi | if everyone was doing that, youd be writing your own text parser and own script to play music |
| 00:04.10 | omi | thanks, but no thanks |
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| 00:04.18 | nimak | it was "Unable to determine the address of the message bus" |
| 00:04.24 | unstable | js_: a *-486 kernel works...is that normal? |
| 00:04.26 | basbryan | wow |
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| 00:04.50 | simonrvn | omi: whatever. btw, what i did? you have a problem with that? |
| 00:04.56 | tuyan | hi all, i want to do a serial-console installation with my headless pc. can someone guide me ? |
| 00:04.57 | simonrvn | what if i* |
| 00:05.27 | omi | no, I'm saying that ther'es better way to spend time and you weren't answering my question, rather making a sarcastic remark that everyone is not aware. |
| 00:05.48 | simonrvn | omi: i wasn't sarcastic. you made an assumption. |
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| 00:05.59 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 00:06.11 | omi | good for you |
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| 00:06.30 | nimak | anyone know what the message bus is? |
| 00:07.04 | simonrvn | nimak: has to do with dbus. something about file change notification or something |
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| 00:08.17 | nimak | simonrvn, any idea what to do? |
| 00:08.47 | simonrvn | nimak: have dbus get started in your x session. that fixed it for me |
| 00:09.11 | simonrvn | i don't have a very good script to hand out, so i'd recommend a bit of web searching |
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| 00:11.15 | lzhang | I'm trying to set up sound on my debian etch install |
| 00:11.29 | lzhang | I installed package alsa... but I am still not getting audio |
| 00:12.00 | lzhang | actually, this is a sarge install 2.6 kernel |
| 00:12.18 | unstable | lzhang: type "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils; alsaconf" as root |
| 00:12.21 | unstable | lzhang: Then reboot. |
| 00:12.51 | lzhang | all at newest version |
| 00:13.16 | unstable | lzhang: And are you going through the alsaconf dialogue? |
| 00:13.37 | lzhang | hmm "Note, selecting alsa-utils instead of alsaconf" |
| 00:13.56 | lzhang | I didn't go through any config when I did apt-get installs |
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| 00:14.53 | strider | lzhang: run alsaconf and make sure you are in the audio group |
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| 00:15.04 | lzhang | can I do it as root |
| 00:15.19 | strider | yes, as root |
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| 00:16.13 | baastie | Hi guys, I need some help on repartitioning a fresh setup sarge box of a friend of mine.... somebody in for a challenge... |
| 00:16.14 | lzhang | do I want to modify modprobe.conf? is this for loading the drivers on boot |
| 00:16.27 | pab | pab laughs at self for being so pathetic...but rejoices that this community has bolstered resolve to continue....goodnight all |
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| 00:17.41 | baastie | ok... not everybody at ones :D |
| 00:17.58 | dondelelcaro | baastie: boot of the installer media, and partition it... |
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| 00:18.22 | baastie | thanx for the advice... but the only thing i've got is an ssh session... |
| 00:18.34 | dondelelcaro | baastie: a remote machine? |
| 00:18.40 | baastie | yep |
| 00:18.48 | blujay | Kopete is committing a patch that used to be only in Debian. Should I post against the old, closed Debian bug, open a new one, or just e-mail someone? |
| 00:18.49 | baastie | the guy didn't create a swap file |
| 00:18.50 | dondelelcaro | baastie: and what sort of repartitioning were you planning on doing? |
| 00:19.07 | baastie | he created a boot, usr and var and no swap |
| 00:19.09 | dondelelcaro | baastie: you don't really need one; you could use a swapfile instead of a swap partition if you wante.d |
| 00:19.22 | baastie | and this on a soft mirror |
| 00:19.37 | baastie | ah that sounds easier.. :D |
| 00:19.39 | tim_flatus | baastie, do you have unused space on the hard drive? |
| 00:19.47 | lzhang | strider: Thanks, that did the trick I have audio now. Now another question, if I have an application using OSS, will it work with ALSA? |
| 00:19.47 | baastie | no unused space... |
| 00:20.02 | baastie | i was thinking about going the difficult way... |
| 00:20.15 | baastie | like copying usr to var |
| 00:20.20 | baastie | delete usr |
| 00:20.30 | dondelelcaro | baastie: too much trouble |
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| 00:20.35 | baastie | repartition usr space for a swap and usr... |
| 00:20.36 | tim_flatus | lzhang, if you have oss compatibility modules |
| 00:20.43 | dondelelcaro | baastie: unless the guy has no memory, he probably won't even notice that he has no swap. |
| 00:20.47 | lzhang | would that be package alsa-oss? |
| 00:21.23 | baastie | the box has 256mb and he wants to start using it as an rsync box... |
| 00:21.30 | strider | lzhang: yes, libalsa-oss i think |
| 00:21.35 | tim_flatus | lzhang, lsmod | grep _oss |
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| 00:21.45 | baastie | the easy way would be to create a swap file then... |
| 00:22.27 | TyggerBob | Hey all.. running 2.6.16-1 and am trying to build the hostap modules using module-assistant and it consistently fails |
| 00:22.31 | lzhang | snd_pcm_oss is in there |
| 00:22.42 | lzhang | as well as others related to my onboard sound |
| 00:22.44 | lzhang | via |
| 00:22.47 | tim_flatus | lzhang, should work then |
| 00:22.57 | lzhang | k thanks tim_flaus |
| 00:23.07 | TyggerBob | I was able to build the madwifi modules without problem. |
| 00:23.08 | lzhang | woops tim_flatus I mean |
| 00:23.20 | baastie | owkee something like this then... dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536 |
| 00:23.21 | TyggerBob | any ideas? |
| 00:23.25 | tim_flatus | lzhang, np :) |
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| 00:26.27 | TyggerBob | Anyone here have hostap running with 2.6.16? |
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| 00:27.27 | turing | hi all |
| 00:27.33 | turing | anyone in here have experience with chroot_safe? |
| 00:27.37 | TyggerBob | Hi Turing |
| 00:27.39 | unstable | iHR linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 2.6.15-8 |
| 00:27.41 | unstable | What is HR? |
| 00:27.51 | TyggerBob | not here.. sorry |
| 00:27.53 | turing | or having script self-sudo? |
| 00:28.40 | odla | m |
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| 00:30.00 | baastie | ok thanx for the tip guys |
| 00:30.07 | baastie | i've just added the swapfile... |
| 00:30.43 | baastie | does it mather performance wise in comparison to a swap partition ? |
| 00:30.55 | baastie | sorry if that is a dumb question :) |
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| 00:33.42 | ski__ | set-uid/gid doesn't seem to work with scripts .. is there a workaround ? |
| 00:33.47 | baastie | and thank you google http://blog.printf.net/articles/2006/03/27/swap-files-vs-swap-partitions |
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| 00:38.53 | Orphys | hi |
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| 00:39.19 | Orphys | i've got a problem with a package |
| 00:39.20 | xomhau | hi , how to make a boot disk ( cdrom) ? |
| 00:39.47 | netdebi | anyone know what the net_ssl package is called ? |
| 00:39.54 | Orphys | i have libx11-deb installed but it seems there's one file missing : `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h' |
| 00:39.54 | netdebi | i'm trying to apt-get install it. |
| 00:40.01 | Orphys | can anyone confirm it ? |
| 00:40.13 | Orphys | i'm running debian sid |
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| 00:40.46 | Azar | cool article for linux newbies: Innovation in Linux: An extraordinary Linux review http://lxer.com/module/newswire/lf/view/57487/ |
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| 00:41.13 | TyggerBob | Orphys, Nope. I don't have one either |
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| 00:41.22 | Orphys | oh that's bad |
| 00:41.45 | netdebi | anyone know what the net_ssl package is called ? |
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| 00:43.05 | xomhau | anyone, how to make a boot disk ( cdrom) ? |
| 00:43.56 | TyggerBob | Orphys, I'm assuming you mean libx11-dev? |
| 00:43.59 | dondelelcaro | xomhau: just use the debian install media. |
| 00:44.08 | Orphys | TyggerBob, yes |
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| 00:44.34 | Orphys | and I can't compile mesa without it |
| 00:44.52 | xomhau | dondelelcaro, what command when boot from cd-rom? |
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| 00:45.11 | dondelelcaro | xomhau: any; just drop to a console, and mount what you need, and change what you need. |
| 00:45.32 | minerale | Is there some kind of tool / well known method to propagate my .rc files on several machines? I'm tempted to start making something fancy and waste my time |
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| 00:51.27 | netdebi | anyone know what the net_ssl package is called ? |
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| 00:52.16 | Red_Cloud | Orphys, I have /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h installed |
| 00:52.37 | Orphys | do you know whic hpackage it's from ? |
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| 00:53.00 | Red_Cloud | Orphys, just a second and I will try to locate |
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| 00:53.09 | Orphys | thanks |
| 00:53.15 | Orphys | it should be libx11-dev |
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| 00:54.22 | CokeNCode | why can't i apt-get install azureus anymore? |
| 00:54.28 | CokeNCode | where's the debian package |
| 00:54.29 | CokeNCode | :/ |
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| 00:55.25 | nalioth | !azureus |
| 00:55.25 | dpkg | To install azureus, type aptitude install azureus AFTER adding contrib and non-free to your sources. | Ask me about <contrib> <non-free> |
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| 00:56.41 | unstable | I want to change the instance of "vesa" in a file with "nvidia" how can I do that with sed? |
| 00:56.49 | rares000 | why does mozilla-mplayer suggest firefox and require mozilla-browser? |
| 00:57.08 | rares000 | it never did before |
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| 00:58.19 | zbowling | i've got a debian server that got compromissed.. is their a dpkg command to verrify all files? |
| 00:58.38 | zbowling | there* |
| 00:58.46 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: if the machine has been compromised, you need to backup your data and reinstall from known good media. |
| 00:59.38 | zbowling | dondelelcaro, well they couldn't do much with the type of attack they did since they could only get access to the apache, bind, and imap users |
| 00:59.43 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: no way of testing the machine while it's running can actually verify the information on the drive. |
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| 01:00.22 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: if those are the users they could get access to, then there's no point in verifying the files, because those users don't own any files that dpkg installs. |
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| 01:00.51 | Red_Cloud | Orphys, yes it is associated and installed with libx11-dev |
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| 01:01.03 | Orphys | can someone send it to me ? |
| 01:01.17 | dondelelcaro | of course, there's no way to tell if that's the case on a running compromised machine. |
| 01:02.07 | Red_Cloud | Orphys, I can post it to a IRC-paste if you like |
| 01:02.14 | Orphys | that's fine |
| 01:02.26 | Orphys | or DCC it if you can, that's even better ;) |
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| 01:04.34 | zbowling | dondelelcaro, yeah, the attack was semi harmless.. they were able to kill apache through a UTF-8 error in php with horde imap module.. it gave them access to the imap user and apache process.. they killed apache and they started up another process called 'imapd' and they killed bind some how and started a process called 'syslogd'.. anoying little asses.. |
| 01:05.40 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: uh... if they could create arbitrary processes to run, they may have managed to find a local root exploit. |
| 01:05.45 | CAiRO | how can i find out which of all the packages i have installed are from unstable? |
| 01:05.56 | Red_Cloud | Orphys, http://rafb.net/paste/results/7A9HSV73.html |
| 01:06.00 | Orphys | thanks |
| 01:06.03 | shogunx | zbowling thats probably not an authentic syslogd too. |
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| 01:06.11 | bbrazil | CAiRO: apt-show-versions |
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| 01:06.28 | zbowling | dondelelcaro, they tried but thankfully i had some custom selinux policies in place |
| 01:06.33 | CAiRO | thanks |
| 01:07.12 | Red_Cloud | Orphys, check and see that the text is there. There appeared quite a few blanks lines at the beginning of the paste. I did not delete them because they appeared from the copy and paste. They are not apparent in my file as I view it. |
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| 01:07.40 | zbowling | dondelelcaro, i got an email that it happened before it put in a iptables addition to block the ip |
| 01:07.42 | Orphys | i think it's good |
| 01:07.53 | Orphys | but now, an other file is missing... |
| 01:08.31 | tim_flatus | Orphys, I think several files are missing. |
| 01:08.35 | Orphys | i think too |
| 01:08.40 | Orphys | but that's strange |
| 01:09.09 | Red_Cloud | Orphys, what error messages do you get whenever you install? |
| 01:09.23 | Orphys | no error when i install libx11-dev |
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| 01:09.35 | Orphys | the problem is when compiling mesa 6.5 |
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| 01:09.55 | Orphys | it needs a few x11 dev files |
| 01:09.55 | Red_Cloud | Any error messages associated with any current attempt at install? |
| 01:10.12 | Orphys | it's make complaining the file is missing |
| 01:10.40 | Orphys | because it's needed to compile one file |
| 01:10.45 | bkudria | how do i make ppd stop populating my /etc/resolv.conf? i run a dns server, and i want all apps to use 127.0.0.1 as the dns server, not my ips's dns server...what can i do? |
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| 01:11.11 | Orphys | what version of libx11-dev do you have ? |
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| 01:12.08 | Red_Cloud | 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
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| 01:13.20 | Red_Cloud | the depends are: libx11-6 (= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6), libxext-dev, libxi-dev, x-dev, libc6-dev | libc-dev, libxkbfile-dev |
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| 01:14.32 | Orphys | is it possible to force the installation of an older package ? |
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| 01:14.45 | dondelelcaro | Orphys: specify a version, and it'll install that version. |
| 01:14.55 | dondelelcaro | Orphys: man aptitude; or man apt-get; for details. |
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| 01:17.13 | bipolar | I need a bash wizards help. I'm trying to feed the output of find to tiff2pdf like: "for i in `find -iname *.tif`; do tiff2pdf $i -o $i.pdf; done" , but the output contains spaces which I need to have escacped. Can anyone help? |
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| 01:17.25 | miki | a |
| 01:17.45 | DarkCow | bipolar, look at "tr"? |
| 01:18.05 | EgoPhobia | gnome screen resolution gives me max. 800x600 resolution despite my monitor and my nVidia support higher resolutions, how can i fix this , is there something like xconfig in debian |
| 01:18.09 | bipolar | DarkCow: what's tr? a command to pipe though? |
| 01:18.13 | dondelelcaro | bipolar: find -iname *.tif -print0|xargs -0 tiff2pdf $i; assuming tiff2pdf has a sane default setup. |
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| 01:18.29 | nichos | hi all, im starting gkrellm -w with wmaker, its running, but i dont see it, any ideas? |
| 01:18.35 | DarkCow | I think it "translates" |
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| 01:19.05 | DarkCow | so you can make letters all uppercase, or remove spaces, or do some other stuff |
| 01:19.11 | DarkCow | it might help you |
| 01:19.11 | dondelelcaro | find -iname *.tif -print0|xargs -n1 -0 tiff2pdf; rather. |
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| 01:20.25 | bipolar | dondelelcaro: the default output of tiff2pdf is stdout... :\ |
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| 01:20.52 | justinm | is there any estimate on the next debian release |
| 01:21.00 | dvs | justinm: ha! |
| 01:21.04 | justinm | :( |
| 01:21.12 | bipolar | dondelelcaro: I need a way to output it to files with .pdf extentions. |
| 01:21.15 | bipolar | hmmm |
| 01:21.23 | dondelelcaro | bipolar: then use find -iname *.tiff -exec tiff2pdf -o \{\}.pdf \{\} \; or similar. |
| 01:21.44 | bipolar | wow.... thats way beyond me... |
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| 01:21.57 | dondelelcaro | or for a in *.tif; do tiff2pdf "${a}.pdf" "$a"; done;... |
| 01:22.00 | EgoPhobia | anyanswer |
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| 01:23.28 | justinm | yes, it's amazing how complex shell scripting can get (at least to the simple like yours truly) |
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| 01:23.34 | goldenaura | hi there. I am using Debian Sarge and using Zope2.8.4 with plone 2.1.2. There is a python script named repozo.py that i want to use to do backups of the Data.fs from the zope. But to use repozo.py i have to "The entire Zope python library must be added to python's system path so that the ZODB module can be imported by repozo..." how can i do this? Thanks |
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| 01:23.50 | cshaman | ahoy |
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| 01:24.15 | bipolar | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help, but now I'm back to spaces in the file name screwing up tiff2pdf |
| 01:24.21 | cshaman | i'm having a bit of trouble with my boot screen. when my computer boots to debian, it brings up the GNOME login window |
| 01:24.44 | dvs | cshaman: what do you want it to bring up? |
| 01:24.46 | cshaman | i want to boot to TTY mode |
| 01:24.51 | dvs | !nodm |
| 01:24.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 01:28.53 | odla | how do i authenticate the marillat repository? the directions provided by the marillat key factoid doesn't seem to work |
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| 01:29.30 | dondelelcaro | odla: figure out what the right key id is, and add it. |
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| 01:31.12 | odla | dondelelcaro: i'm not sure i understand...i've looked on the marillat website for the key too and i can't find it |
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| 01:31.44 | dvs | !tell odla about marillat key |
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| 01:32.02 | m1ke_l | when trying cisco vpn client install on debian, i get: 'csum_and_copy_from_user' differ in signedness |
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| 01:32.57 | odla | dvs: that doesn't work...it tells me nothing exported and no valid OpenPGP data found...i've already tried that |
| 01:33.22 | Orphys | Red_Cloud, i've found the problem |
| 01:33.25 | mosty | i upgraded a sid machine yesterday, took in all the new xorg packages, now i get the "cant find default font fixed" error, but xfonts-base is installed. what am i missing? |
| 01:33.42 | Orphys | the fact is that there is no standard directory to store the header file |
| 01:33.48 | Orphys | and mine where stored elsewhere |
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| 01:34.04 | Orphys | but there were already a few files in the directory that mesa wanted |
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| 01:34.54 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo marillat key |
| 01:34.54 | dpkg | marillat key -- last modified at Fri Mar 24 10:32:42 2006 by streuner_!n=streuner@p54A5F272.dip.t-dialin.net. |
| 01:34.58 | dondelelcaro | gag. |
| 01:35.30 | dvs | odla: Do you have a keys server setup/ |
| 01:35.35 | dvs | *? |
| 01:35.40 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: marillat key is <reply> For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 01:35.41 | dpkg | ...but marillat key is already something else... |
| 01:35.43 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no marillat key is <reply> For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 01:35.43 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 01:36.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell odla about apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 01:36.06 | odla | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 01:37.34 | odla | dondelelcaro: are you a statistician? |
| 01:37.42 | miki | testing (x11): [non-free] |
| 01:37.42 | miki | 8.20.8-1.1: i386 |
| 01:37.53 | miki | can i use these drivers with stable debian? |
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| 01:39.08 | dondelelcaro | odla: no, but I do a lot of work with statistics |
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| 01:39.32 | Tarantulafudge | can anyone help me with my old jaz drive? |
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| 01:39.54 | dvs | Tarantulafudge: What? Click of death? |
| 01:40.10 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: what? |
| 01:40.23 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: oh |
| 01:40.27 | dvs | Tarantulafudge: Mine died with the "click of death" |
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| 01:40.46 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: no, it just can't do any io or the process completely dies |
| 01:40.54 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: get a kernel error or whatnot |
| 01:42.19 | ootput | god |
| 01:42.23 | dvs | yes? |
| 01:42.26 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: I installed jaztool but it says its not a jaz device |
| 01:42.28 | ootput | why is startx refusing to work all of a sudden?! |
| 01:42.41 | odla | ootput: are you running sid? |
| 01:42.44 | ootput | yeah |
| 01:42.49 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: not sure what I need to do |
| 01:42.50 | ootput | i mentioned it last night |
| 01:42.52 | dondelelcaro | ootput: welcome to Xorg 7.0 |
| 01:42.55 | ootput | :( |
| 01:43.04 | dvs | Tarantulafudge: Nope. I haven't had a jaz for a LONG time |
| 01:43.13 | Red_Cloud | Orphys, glad that you found the problem. |
| 01:43.17 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: how did you use it |
| 01:43.17 | ootput | ah, topic |
| 01:43.22 | miki | can i use "testing" driver with stable debian? |
| 01:43.33 | dvs | Tarantulafudge: I don't think I ever used it with Linux |
| 01:43.38 | odla | ootput: you can check out wouter verhelst's post on p.d.o |
| 01:43.45 | ootput | okay |
| 01:43.56 | ootput | heh, gonna have to use w3m this time |
| 01:44.23 | tim_flatus | miki, unlikely. |
| 01:44.35 | miki | =\ |
| 01:45.00 | miki | i cant find any ATI vid driver for stable debian i386 |
| 01:45.42 | odla | ootput: if you want to use some xorg packages from experimental you might be able to fix your xorg problems |
| 01:45.44 | ootput | odla: hm, how long ago was this? |
| 01:45.48 | Tarantulafudge | Vendor: i�m�g� � Model: j�z�1�B� � � � � Rev: H�6�; Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02; sda : unsupported sector size 16712447.; SCSI device sda: 0 16712447-byte hdwr sectors (0 MB); sda: Write Protect is off; sda: Mode Sense: 39 ff 10 ff; SCSI device sda: drive cache: write through; Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 |
| 01:46.02 | odla | ootput: that was posted yesterday |
| 01:46.13 | odla | ootput: i don't know when 7.0 hit sid |
| 01:46.22 | ootput | ah, i see it |
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| 01:46.58 | Orphys | yeah, i finally have DRI enabled ! |
| 01:46.59 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: dang the cartidge is hot |
| 01:47.01 | Orphys | thanks everyone |
| 01:47.07 | miki | anyone here is using i386 stable and ATI vid card? |
| 01:47.11 | dvs | Tarantulafudge: sounds about right. |
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| 01:47.34 | freeone3000 | So, any luck getting OpenGL to work...? |
| 01:47.41 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: for? |
| 01:47.56 | ootput | oh man, he/she suggested trying experimental |
| 01:47.56 | dvs | Tarantulafudge: Jaz cartridge |
| 01:48.20 | ootput | have any of you sid-users overcome this problem? |
| 01:49.01 | Orphys | freeone3000, you've got problem with OpenGL ? |
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| 01:49.46 | odla | ootput: i think you either need to sit it out or use some experimental packages |
| 01:49.59 | tim_flatus | Orphys, several of us are having problems with Xorg & DRI etc. |
| 01:51.06 | Tarantulafudge | dvs: lol, i tried my other disk and the application segfaulted |
| 01:51.24 | Orphys | i've just had it solved ^^ |
| 01:51.41 | Orphys | i've compiled mesa 6.5 from source |
| 01:51.47 | Orphys | installed everything |
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| 01:51.59 | Orphys | upgraded my kernel and xorg driver |
| 01:52.02 | tim_flatus | Orphys, you have glx working? |
| 01:52.10 | Orphys | i have direct rendering |
| 01:52.44 | Orphys | well, i think it's working |
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| 02:08.47 | stew | <sound of crickets> |
| 02:09.22 | freeone3000 | Orphys: I'm using hte new X server. |
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| 02:09.47 | dvs | A cricket! Where's Dick Chaney?!? |
| 02:10.01 | Orphys | i'm using it too |
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| 02:10.07 | Orphys | xorg 7.0.0 |
| 02:10.10 | S4nD3r | Hey, I installed my webcam, how to see if it is working?? Which software to use?? |
| 02:10.14 | miki | is kernel 2.4.27-2-386 much different that 2.4.27-10-386? |
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| 02:10.19 | freeone3000 | S4nD3r: The one you like. |
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| 02:10.31 | S4nD3r | I dont know which will working |
| 02:10.36 | freeone3000 | michal_: Ehm. I would say that the -10 would be better. But really, 2.6 is nice... |
| 02:10.56 | stew | miki: -2 looks like a debian kernel, i don't know what -10 is |
| 02:11.01 | S4nD3r | gphoto??? I dont remember which works |
| 02:11.21 | rares000 | 2.6 does not need -10 because of the improved scheduler |
| 02:11.33 | miki | stew: its kernel source package name |
| 02:11.34 | rares000 | for X that is |
| 02:11.37 | stew | huh? |
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| 02:12.07 | stew | miki: where does "apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.4.27-10-386" say it is coming from |
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| 02:12.32 | miki | its not image |
| 02:12.45 | miki | its kernel-source-2.4.27-10 |
| 02:13.04 | miki | 2.4.27-10sarge2 TBH |
| 02:13.14 | stew | !info kernel-source-2.4.27-10 sarge |
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| 02:13.32 | freeone3000 | Well. Yes. It appears I have glx issues. |
| 02:13.38 | S4nD3r | ??? |
| 02:13.52 | Orphys | what for example ? |
| 02:13.55 | tim_flatus | freeone3000, so do I :( |
| 02:13.56 | Orphys | no direct rendering ? |
| 02:13.57 | freeone3000 | Glxgears. |
| 02:14.09 | freeone3000 | I open it up, screen goes completly black and computer seems to go dead. |
| 02:14.10 | Orphys | have you tried : |
| 02:14.17 | Orphys | LIBGL_DEBUG_verbose glxinfo |
| 02:14.22 | Orphys | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 02:14.28 | Orphys | oh |
| 02:14.51 | stew | dondelelcaro: are the debian functions broken on the bot? |
| 02:14.54 | freeone3000 | Only way out is the system buttons on the front... I like the restart one. But not really that much... |
| 02:14.57 | Orphys | what is your graphic card ? |
| 02:15.34 | freeone3000 | NVIDIA GeForce 5700 FX 128 MB Vid RAM AGP 8x |
| 02:15.45 | Orphys | hmm |
| 02:15.50 | dondelelcaro | !+info xterm |
| 02:15.53 | Orphys | you should ask on the xorg channel |
| 02:16.00 | freeone3000 | I can play ut2k4 with soft accel. :) |
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| 02:16.51 | dvs | !hi |
| 02:16.51 | dpkg | hello, dvs |
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| 02:17.13 | zbowling | hmm.. server is running again |
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| 02:18.17 | Ricardo | Boa noite a todos |
| 02:18.30 | dvs | bon nuit a toi |
| 02:19.15 | Ricardo | My language is portuguese |
| 02:19.27 | freeone3000 | My language is english. |
| 02:19.40 | stew | my language is python |
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| 02:19.42 | stew | lately |
| 02:19.47 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:20.02 | freeone3000 | Python > english. |
| 02:20.21 | stew | i want these motherfucking snakes of this motherfucking plane |
| 02:20.30 | freeone3000 | Though Common Lisp > Python.... What? |
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| 02:20.32 | freeone3000 | *off |
| 02:21.08 | Ricardo | bye bye!! |
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| 02:21.25 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 02:21.25 | dpkg | Since Sat Apr 15 02:16:26 2006, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 4m 59s this session, and currently reference 35193 factoids. I'm using about 13656 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.52/0.16 child 0/0 |
| 02:21.34 | stew | !info libc6 |
| 02:21.37 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-6 (sid), Packaged size: 4620 kB, Installed size: 11164 kB |
| 02:21.40 | stew | hfm |
| 02:21.55 | stew | dondelelcaro: wierd. sorry for the (maybe) false alarm |
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| 02:22.20 | stew | C-a C-u 2 C-f C-t |
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| 02:23.12 | stew | dondelelcaro: oh not a false alarm, i see now that you bounced him |
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| 02:24.05 | hgabert | I am having troubles upgrading udev from 0.056-3 to 0.089-1 |
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| 02:24.11 | monk | hello, can someone tell me how to force iptables to log to syslog instead of dmesg? |
| 02:24.25 | monk | i cant find anything in the manual.. |
| 02:24.28 | freeone3000 | stew: Common lisp doesn't mean emacs... |
| 02:24.41 | stew | freeone3000: certainly not |
| 02:25.11 | stew | freeone3000: that was me being bored and pretending to fix my typo |
| 02:25.19 | stew | ...incorrectly |
| 02:25.51 | freeone3000 | stew: Well... actually, there's xemacs... |
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| 02:26.44 | gwkw | hi all |
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| 02:27.01 | gwkw | i am new in using ubuntu just installed it (4.10) |
| 02:27.09 | gwkw | does anyone know how to ungrade it to 5.1? |
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| 02:27.57 | freeone3000 | !ubuntu |
| 02:27.57 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 02:28.08 | S4nD3r | but, where do I find a tutorial to install my usb webcam?? Is a creative nx pro |
| 02:28.29 | Orphys | creative webcams are hell |
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| 02:28.47 | kelmo_lap | S4nD3r, check to see if its supported by spca5xx |
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| 02:29.06 | miki | im doing step-by-step apg driver installation, but im stuck |
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| 02:29.39 | S4nD3r | yes, its supported |
| 02:29.53 | mathieu__ | after a recent upgrade in sid, my ps2 mouse is scrolling up and down but not left to right, anyone have any pointers ? |
| 02:29.55 | miki | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#requirements |
| 02:30.12 | miki | its from this site, im doing everything what is said in checkbox but |
| 02:30.19 | S4nD3r | kelmo_lap: Its supported |
| 02:30.21 | kelmo_lap | S4nD3r, spca5xx-source could be helpful in that case |
| 02:30.46 | S4nD3r | lsusb returns this Bus 1 Device 3: ID 041e:403a Creative Technology, Ltd WebCam NX Pro 2 |
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| 02:31.05 | myboxen | some folks in here like Emacs over vim? |
| 02:31.06 | miki | make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" --revision 2.x.y-z --config old configure <----- says bash:make-kpkg: command not found |
| 02:31.19 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 02:31.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 02:31.47 | miki | nvm |
| 02:32.27 | ne0futur | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.36 | miki | how can i configure kernel?? |
| 02:32.47 | ne0futur | something like urpmf would be much more simple/useful |
| 02:33.20 | S4nD3r | kelmo_lap: what to do now ?? |
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| 02:33.46 | freeone3000 | How cna I get a list of all installed programs? |
| 02:33.54 | freeone3000 | (I'll settle for those installed through apt) |
| 02:33.59 | myboxen | miki install kernel-package, debhelper, and fakeroot |
| 02:34.01 | Roots | ls -lr /* |
| 02:34.03 | freeone3000 | Dpkg. Whatever. |
| 02:34.03 | Roots | ;) |
| 02:34.07 | kelmo_lap | S4nD3r, install the module with module-assistant i guess, unless you already have done that by hand |
| 02:34.18 | S4nD3r | I installed by hand |
| 02:34.21 | freeone3000 | Alrighty. One with ONLY those installed through dpkg/apt... |
| 02:34.30 | S4nD3r | but I dont know which software to seee if its working good |
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| 02:35.02 | kelmo_lap | well, i use spcaview, but its not in debian yet |
| 02:35.03 | myboxen | miki: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompiling/ |
| 02:35.11 | monk | hello, can someone tell me how to force iptables to log to syslog instead of dmesg? |
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| 02:36.53 | S4nD3r | I installed spca5xx... but i dont know what to do now ???? How to test my webcam ??? |
| 02:37.09 | myboxen | monk syslog is dmesg |
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| 02:38.11 | monk | myboxen: it wont log to a file, the only way i can read the iptables log messg is via dmesg, i have *.* /filename and its not loging to /filename |
| 02:38.26 | monk | it does on my other debian rig.. |
| 02:38.27 | freeone3000 | *.*? |
| 02:38.35 | freeone3000 | ...A single * matches '.', btw. |
| 02:38.55 | monk | used to it for domainsd |
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| 02:39.17 | monk | the only differance is the kenrel |
| 02:39.25 | myboxen | monk: http://www.linuxtopia.org/Linux_Firewall_iptables/x4238.html |
| 02:39.32 | freeone3000 | Well. |
| 02:39.34 | freeone3000 | THe kernel. |
| 02:39.48 | Thanatermesis | any person can be posible to test "galculator" on ETCH and change to the "cientific" view for look if works ? i don't understand nothing |
| 02:39.50 | freeone3000 | Since IPTables is part of the kernel, it definatly COULDN'T be iptables being a diffrent version. |
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| 02:40.28 | monk | the working rig has 2.6.xx. the other is 2.4.17.. |
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| 02:40.33 | stew | freeone3000: the iptables binary /sbin/iptables is not part of the kernel |
| 02:40.52 | freeone3000 | stew: Hmm. Appears to refer to that on the manpages, I must've misread. |
| 02:40.57 | monk | both installs are updates sarges |
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| 02:41.44 | monk | the one that doesnt work logs to a remote server, but i commented that out and restarted syslogd and still no dels.. |
| 02:41.49 | myboxen | there are some major differences between 2.4 and 2.6, but I can't say for sure. |
| 02:41.53 | monk | im at a wall.. |
| 02:42.11 | monk | is there a way i can redirect dmesg to a file? |
| 02:42.14 | myboxen | you could change your syslog optoins |
| 02:42.19 | obscuresoul | how can i log in into X with root user? |
| 02:42.23 | myboxen | dmesg is only a reader |
| 02:42.26 | monk | how so? |
| 02:42.43 | monk | i usualy just tail -f /filename |
| 02:42.44 | myboxen | dmesg is the kernel output, its also in /var/log/messages |
| 02:43.01 | freeone3000 | obscuresoul: 1. Log in as root. 2. Start x. |
| 02:43.14 | freeone3000 | obscuresoul: Note that you probably shouldn't do this. -.- |
| 02:45.02 | myboxen | if all you want to do is redirect the dmesg output to a file then dmesg > filename |
| 02:45.36 | myboxen | that'll store it in a single file for you. If you want it done repeatedly then use a cron job |
| 02:45.54 | monk | what i want is my iptables logs to be parsed into /filename like * in syslogd is.. |
| 02:46.10 | monk | then i can jsut tail -f /filename |
| 02:46.16 | monk | and i get everything.. |
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| 02:46.33 | myboxen | do the iptables log input have a common pattern at the beggining? |
| 02:46.52 | myboxen | i.e. IPTABLES DROPPED: blah |
| 02:46.52 | monk | yea |
| 02:46.56 | myboxen | what is it |
| 02:46.58 | obscuresoul | freeone3000: ok tks ;) |
| 02:47.03 | myboxen | IPTABLES |
| 02:47.06 | monk | yup |
| 02:47.10 | myboxen | k |
| 02:47.29 | myboxen | dmesg | grep IPTABLES >> /var/log/iptables |
| 02:47.32 | myboxen | that will do it |
| 02:47.37 | myboxen | just the iptables lines |
| 02:47.41 | monk | but that will only do it once |
| 02:47.46 | myboxen | cron job |
| 02:47.56 | myboxen | /etc/crontab |
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| 02:48.01 | monk | +/ |
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| 02:48.20 | myboxen | cron.hourly |
| 02:48.26 | myboxen | probably best |
| 02:48.31 | monk | nope |
| 02:48.33 | myboxen | set it up for every 10 minutes or so |
| 02:48.42 | monk | i need this done just like everything else is |
| 02:48.49 | monk | this is for monitering not loging |
| 02:49.24 | myboxen | then on cron.d |
| 02:49.27 | myboxen | in |
| 02:49.28 | myboxen | sorry |
| 02:49.45 | monk | how will that work? |
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| 02:49.55 | monk | humm |
| 02:49.58 | myboxen | nah, that wouldn't work either. |
| 02:50.00 | myboxen | :) |
| 02:50.08 | myboxen | /etc/crontab is it i guess |
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| 02:51.46 | myboxen | you could also set up a user crontab instead of the system crontab |
| 02:51.50 | myboxen | using crontab -e |
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| 02:54.01 | newb1e | what is bettern to learn: emacs or vi? |
| 02:54.29 | monk | i dont know emacs but i like vim |
| 02:54.53 | stew | newb1e: learn both, they both have their uses |
| 02:54.54 | S4nD3r | I need some help to setup my spca5xx... I installed, but its not working?? How to solve my problem?? |
| 02:55.21 | stew | newb1e: just figure out which you are more comfortable with, asking a random group which is better won't yeild productive results |
| 02:56.11 | cleit0n | hi, i update sid and x crash.. how i do to work again? |
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| 02:56.29 | newb1e | stew: i am more confortable with MS word |
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| 02:57.33 | dondelelcaro | newb1e: they're rather different, and adapt to different styles of work |
| 02:58.20 | aundry | is there a standard guide to updateing the stable debian release's kernel? |
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| 02:58.34 | dondelelcaro | aundry: it's the same as any other package; just install the version you want. |
| 02:58.45 | aundry | custom compiled |
| 02:58.56 | dondelelcaro | aundry: use make-kpkg; /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 03:00.15 | lopes | ola |
| 03:00.24 | lopes | alguem para tc |
| 03:00.29 | dondelelcaro | !br |
| 03:00.29 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 03:02.14 | lopes | como faço |
| 03:02.53 | miki | anyone can tell me what this thing is: '--append-to-version' ? |
| 03:03.09 | cleit0n | hi, i update sid and x crash.. how i do to work again? |
| 03:03.25 | lopes | hello |
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| 03:03.37 | weasel00 | !qotd123 |
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| 03:05.19 | weasel00 | !qotd111 |
| 03:05.20 | dpkg | from memory, qotd111 is <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router |
| 03:05.32 | weasel00 | =) |
| 03:06.16 | monk | WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:06.23 | monk | i FINALY got it to work.. |
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| 03:06.31 | freeone3000 | Got... what to work? |
| 03:06.33 | weasel00 | monk : the light switch? |
| 03:07.00 | monk | i have no idea why it wasnt getting loged to the file for *.* but kern.* caught it |
| 03:07.12 | monk | weasel00: i dont do light |
| 03:07.13 | monk | weasel00: i dont do lights |
| 03:07.25 | freeone3000 | Why. Not. Just. * |
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| 03:07.46 | monk | +D |
| 03:07.51 | freeone3000 | WHo needs light? We have xterm. |
| 03:08.00 | monk | i use * for output |
| 03:08.07 | monk | and irssi |
| 03:08.09 | monk | +D |
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| 03:08.33 | weasel00 | this should perk things up a bit .... http://bash.org/?111338 |
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| 03:09.45 | freeone3000 | irssi is cool. |
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| 03:09.56 | freeone3000 | However, it should be black-on-white, not white-on-black... |
| 03:10.03 | freeone3000 | I wonder who designed the computer boot up thingy. |
| 03:11.10 | cafuego | some windows user |
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| 03:11.23 | freeone3000 | I mean, origonally. |
| 03:11.26 | cafuego | or did you mean the bootsplash? |
| 03:11.27 | freeone3000 | Motherboard BIOS... |
| 03:11.33 | cafuego | oh |
| 03:11.41 | cafuego | IBM mayhap. |
| 03:11.55 | weasel00 | little company called "Award" or "Pheonix" ussualy |
| 03:12.16 | freeone3000 | Ah. Cool... |
| 03:12.23 | freeone3000 | Wonder why they chose white-on-black, though. |
| 03:13.08 | weasel00 | compatible with monochrome |
| 03:13.13 | weasel00 | ? |
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| 03:13.27 | shogunx | quoth wikipedia: The term first appeared in the CP/M operating system, describing the part of CP/M loaded during boot time that interfaced directly with the hardware (CP/M machines usually had a simple boot loader in ROM, and nothing else). |
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| 03:15.01 | cafuego | freeone3000: white pixels are on and cost power |
| 03:15.13 | freeone3000 | cafuego: Ah. |
| 03:15.27 | freeone3000 | cafuego: Kinda lost use once they started displaying blue and green pixils as well. |
| 03:15.43 | shogunx | although linuxbios is generally far more interesting than the one shipped with your motherboard. |
| 03:15.46 | weasel00 | original monitors were green on black =) |
| 03:16.19 | freeone3000 | Oh yes. |
| 03:16.22 | freeone3000 | Very fast moving. |
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| 03:16.27 | freeone3000 | And incomprehensible. |
| 03:17.11 | weasel00 | not so, i remmeber playing return to zork and hitchhikers guide on those systems |
| 03:17.18 | cafuego | freeone3000: Still, black pixels are off and don't wear/cost power. |
| 03:17.51 | cafuego | unlss you've got an LCD, of course. |
| 03:17.58 | freeone3000 | cafuego: What if they're.... off-black? |
| 03:18.26 | freeone3000 | Of course, they'd be on with the approiate light. |
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| 03:22.08 | mathieu__ | after a recent upgrade in sid, my ps2 mouse is scrolling up and down but not left to right, anyone have any pointers ? |
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| 03:23.33 | sfullenwider | how does one install an xserver after installation? |
| 03:23.42 | freeone3000 | Ehm. |
| 03:23.49 | freeone3000 | Look at your question. |
| 03:24.09 | sfullenwider | what? |
| 03:24.19 | freeone3000 | It's already installed. Why would you need to install it? |
| 03:24.23 | Phated | sfullenwider: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:24.33 | Phated | freeone3000: Er... his question makes perfect sense. |
| 03:24.43 | freeone3000 | Phated: Not to me. |
| 03:24.50 | miki | how to configure prebuild kernel with make-kpkg? |
| 03:24.50 | freeone3000 | Meh. Maybe I should just stop ircing. |
| 03:24.52 | sfullenwider | Phated: lots of uninstallable dependancies |
| 03:24.53 | Phated | freeone3000: Avoid answering, then. |
| 03:25.02 | Phated | sfullenwider: On what system? |
| 03:25.09 | cafuego | sfullenwider: run 'sudo apt-get update' first. |
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| 03:26.06 | sfullenwider | a just installed "sid" I had to use sid because my ethernet card isn't supported in stable and testing kept dying. |
| 03:26.22 | sfullenwider | (the installation of testing) |
| 03:26.23 | cafuego | Oh sid... yeah, that's quite likely broken. |
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| 03:26.35 | Phated | sfullenwider: sid isn't the most useable of systems right now - /topic. |
| 03:26.36 | cafuego | If you wanted a useable system, try Sarge (or etch) |
| 03:26.55 | cafuego | ARGH! |
| 03:27.03 | freeone3000 | I got through sid. |
| 03:27.08 | sfullenwider | yeah, I'm trying to move back to testing from sid |
| 03:27.19 | cafuego | sfullenwider: You can't downgrade. |
| 03:27.24 | sfullenwider | I just installed the bare essentials from sid just to get started. |
| 03:27.46 | sfullenwider | if I can't downgrade some then that poses some problems. |
| 03:27.56 | Deek | cafuego: Of course you can, if you're smart about it. |
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| 03:28.24 | Deek | translation: it's possible, but not easy. |
| 03:28.25 | cafuego | Deek: Smart people don't upgrade to broken OS versions <heh> |
| 03:28.38 | sfullenwider | I didn't have a choice cafuego. |
| 03:28.47 | Deek | sfullenwider: sure you did. |
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| 03:29.11 | cafuego | sfullenwider: You can install stable with a custom kernel relatively easily. |
| 03:29.15 | sfullenwider | stable won't install on an asrock 939dual-sata2 |
| 03:29.40 | cafuego | Of course, there's a question of buying hardware without checking if the software supports is. |
| 03:29.48 | Deek | sfullenwider: I managed it. :) |
| 03:30.02 | sfullenwider | Buying hardware to revolve around Debian is not cost effective. |
| 03:30.03 | sfullenwider | :P |
| 03:30.19 | sfullenwider | of course, if my parents paid my bills then it might be a viable option. |
| 03:30.33 | Phated | Buying hardware thet refuses to run your system is stupid. :) HTH, HAND. |
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| 03:32.03 | syntrx | buying asrock is a dubious idea in itself ;) |
| 03:32.08 | Deek | sfullenwider: You can use a 2.6 kernel to install stable. |
| 03:32.14 | sfullenwider | I think a large part of my problem has to do with lack of AMD64 support. |
| 03:32.22 | sfullenwider | Deek: how? |
| 03:32.45 | Deek | It's a frickin' boot option on the CD! :) |
| 03:33.03 | odla | sfullenwider: type linux26 |
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| 03:33.51 | sfullenwider | I was unaware that that was an option :) |
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| 03:34.39 | sfullenwider | tnx |
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| 03:34.42 | Deek | I've been using the amd64 netinstall disc as a rescue disc. |
| 03:35.04 | michael117 | I'm trying to compile a kernel for a small device but keep getting the following error message: http://pastebin.com/660899 |
| 03:35.04 | tienchi | hi, why debian use xfree86, not xorg??? |
| 03:36.20 | cafuego | tienchi: daniel stone ran away |
| 03:36.39 | rstutsma | I know xorg is in transition right now, but is anyone else having the could not open default font 'fixed' problem? |
| 03:37.02 | rstutsma | and are there any band-aids for the moment? |
| 03:37.13 | tienchi | cafuego, ????? |
| 03:37.33 | Deek | I miss xfree86 a little, having to run a font server to get decent-looking bitmap fonts sucks. |
| 03:37.55 | cafuego | does it suck more or less than bitmap fonts in general? |
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| 03:38.05 | cafuego | tienchi: X packager |
| 03:38.11 | cmdrwoody | does anyone know why my OO.org's menu font looks so ugly? screenshot: http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7775/oougly3qk.png |
| 03:38.40 | deadcat_ | cmdrwoody: thats how oo.org looks like |
| 03:38.45 | mathieu__ | rstutsma, can you not install the xfonts package ? |
| 03:38.51 | Deek | Looks like DejaVu Sans Condensed to me. |
| 03:38.54 | tienchi | cafuego, i am sorry, i dont get your mean |
| 03:39.07 | cmdrwoody | it doesnt look like that before. |
| 03:39.14 | cmdrwoody | it's huge and long |
| 03:39.22 | Deek | tall, not long. |
| 03:39.36 | mathieu__ | rstutsma, apt-get install xfonts-base ? |
| 03:39.55 | cmdrwoody | right, huge and tall. |
| 03:40.15 | cmdrwoody | i tilted my head sideways.. thus, long ;p |
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| 03:41.12 | cmdrwoody | so, any ways to fix that? |
| 03:43.13 | LordNazgul | ive got an ssh problem. port forwarding isnt working right. please see http://pastebin.com/660913 |
| 03:43.29 | odla | !mc |
| 03:43.29 | dpkg | [mc] Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco Stop! Hammertime! |
| 03:43.41 | Spaze | Question: Is there a convenient way to make a local mirror of debian on my own network? |
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| 03:43.51 | LordNazgul | spaze apt-proxy |
| 03:44.26 | Spaze | How about if I'm not already running debian? |
| 03:44.46 | Spaze | Like, I just want to put them in a directory that's served to the intranet |
| 03:45.41 | LordNazgul | spaze im sure there is, but thats a lot to download, plus you would have to check regularly for updates |
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| 03:46.32 | Spaze | mmm, ok. |
| 03:46.52 | michael117 | I'm trying to compile a kernel for a small device but keep getting the following error message: http://pastebin.com/660899 |
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| 03:47.27 | Spaze | How about doing a net-install over wireless? Is it feasible? |
| 03:47.40 | ajdlinux | probably |
| 03:48.22 | syntrx | as long as you don't use wep etc |
| 03:48.47 | ajdlinux | i get wireless through an ethernet bridge so its easy |
| 03:49.44 | Deek | I think the Intel is the only wireless chipset that's directly supported. |
| 03:49.51 | Spaze | Right. |
| 03:50.12 | syntrx | my orinoco card is detected by the install, never tried it though |
| 03:50.31 | Spaze | Ok, I think I need to use a different one. |
| 03:50.35 | Deek | Ahh, that's right, the Prism/Orinoco works too. |
| 03:50.44 | cyzie | i have installed etch on a sata drive where it connected to a hardware raid controller onboard. now, i have bought a similar hdd, can i just mirror the hdd in the onboard hardware or do i need attention on the OS side as well? please advice |
| 03:50.49 | Spaze | acx |
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| 03:51.12 | Spaze | I don't think it works with acx, but I have the source. |
| 03:51.45 | Spaze | Forget it, I'ma go to knoppix for now. |
| 03:52.24 | Deek | I have two wireless NICs, one atheros, the other Broadcom. So I install over Ethernet. :) |
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| 03:52.55 | Spaze | I guess I could try it, may be more trouble than its worth, though. |
| 03:52.58 | syntrx | ethernet is quicker for me anyway, i mirrored sarge locally |
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| 03:53.08 | ajdlinux | i install over ethernet with a dlink wireless to ethernet bridge - best way on linux |
| 03:53.24 | syntrx | cost me nothing, just went to school (which peers with mirror.aarnet.edu.au) and dumped it all onto a usb hdd |
| 03:53.55 | Spaze | I would do that, but I am trying to use XP to share this wireless internet connection with a local ethernet card, and it's a disaster. |
| 03:54.07 | Spaze | No configurability whatsoever. |
| 03:54.52 | ajdlinux | obviously |
| 03:55.40 | Deek | Is the bcm44xx driver sucking any less lately? |
| 03:56.25 | odla | Deek: the ethernet driver? |
| 03:56.39 | Deek | Last time I tried it, I got a hard lock on eject. |
| 03:56.55 | michael117 | Does anyone know how to fix this error: http://pastebin.com/660899 |
| 03:57.24 | Deek | odla: sorry, bcm43xx |
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| 03:57.55 | ajdlinux | what's the website of this cowon thing? |
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| 04:00.41 | meneg | hi, i think the /usr/bin/X symlink is missing on the latest sid |
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| 04:01.29 | meneg | /s/bin/X |
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| 04:02.03 | itrebal | is there a package to get java working with firefox? |
| 04:02.16 | michael117 | ajdlinux: http://eng.iaudio.com/download/gnu/cowon_a2_bsp_source.tar.gz |
| 04:02.22 | itrebal | err i see the topic |
| 04:02.25 | LordNazgul | how can i find out which other users are ssh into my machine and disconnect them |
| 04:02.31 | michael117 | ajdlinux: rather big, so I don't suggest downloading it |
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| 04:03.53 | shogunx | michael117 choose between the declarations of 'current_menu' on line 104 of mconf.c and the one included from line 63 of lkc.h |
| 04:03.53 | michael117 | ajdlinux: This is the source code for the Cowon A2 Portable Media Player released by the company to comply with the GPL. The link to download it can be found here: http://eng.iaudio.com/zeroboard/zboard.php?id=C08&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&bmenu=download&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&bmenu=download&desc=asc&no=212&bmenu=download |
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| 04:04.08 | itrebal | actually, that is of no use to me |
| 04:04.38 | michael117 | shogunx: Would I have to manually open and edit mconf.c or lkc.h or how would I go about this? |
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| 04:05.29 | ajdlinux | i would do what shogunx suggested |
| 04:05.50 | tamer | the output from "wc -l foo.txt | awk '{print $1}' " is 2 (which is the number of lines) how can I treat this output as an integer/number and add to it some value? |
| 04:07.06 | lilug | How can I apt-get install something and have it force overwrite |
| 04:07.18 | ajdlinux | force overwrite what?? |
| 04:07.24 | elPepo | tamer, if your are using bash save that value in something like bar=`wc -l foo.txt | awk '{print $1}'` then: up=$[bar + 1] |
| 04:07.24 | shogunx | michael117 the variable is declared twice, and with distictly different parameters... it sounds like a value is hardcoded in mconf.c, which apparently makes gcc start barfing lungs and saying "hey, man, would you mind making up your mind?" i would first try ditching the hardcoded value first, as if the other instance is declared in an include, it is probably used elsewhere also. |
| 04:07.52 | lilug | apt-get -o DPKg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install packagename |
| 04:07.53 | shogunx | so i would edit mconf.c first. |
| 04:07.55 | lilug | nevermind found it |
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| 04:08.29 | tamer | elPepo, thank you! GOD! now I can sleep :D |
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| 04:08.55 | elPepo | dont worry, be happy ;) |
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| 04:09.11 | LordNazgul | any way to disconnect remote users who have ssh into my box w/o rebooting. if i remember correctly if i just restart sshd the connection wont be severed |
| 04:09.34 | Spaze | Hey, could I build and install a wireless support module after doing the minimal cd install, so I could finish installing over wireless? |
| 04:09.42 | shogunx | LordNazgul find their pid with ps -e and kill-9 those instances of sshd |
| 04:09.54 | LordNazgul | that works thanx shogunx |
| 04:09.55 | ajdlinux | spaze: yes |
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| 04:10.38 | shogunx | LordNazgul n/p |
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| 04:10.58 | Spaze | ajdlinux how do I get to a command prompt so I can do that? |
| 04:11.18 | Spaze | From the boot menu? |
| 04:11.23 | Spaze | Like a rescue boot? |
| 04:11.30 | simonrvn | why kill -9 ... |
| 04:11.49 | ajdlinux | so will you install minimal off cd first or what? |
| 04:11.50 | shogunx | simonrvn why not? |
| 04:11.53 | syntrx | no real need for -9 |
| 04:12.11 | Spaze | Yeah, actually, I already did. |
| 04:12.23 | ajdlinux | ok, so then boot into the minimal system |
| 04:12.29 | simonrvn | because it's overkill, because it doesn't let the process clean up after itself, because you increase your chances of getting a Zombied process |
| 04:12.30 | ajdlinux | and then buildthe module. easy |
| 04:13.13 | shogunx | simonrvn thanks. i'll make a note for my next killing spree. |
| 04:13.13 | Spaze | OK. |
| 04:13.51 | ajdlinux | well just make sure you have a wireless module to compile first. you would also need gcc installed and kernel headers, but you can download that off p.d.o |
| 04:14.20 | ajdlinux | then apt-get update and apt-get install * and you're done |
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| 04:16.25 | Spaze | ok, wish me luck |
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| 04:21.33 | blujay | Is anyone else having trouble with segfaults in /usr/bin/install when running "make install"? |
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| 04:21.49 | jsmidt | I just installed debian on a new computer. X won't start, it says: Fatal Server Error: No screens found. Does anybody know what problem this is? |
| 04:22.02 | Bonkers | hi, I installed debian on a headless box and I'm trying to use xemacs remotely with X forwarding, all that works, execpt the fonts look absolutely terrible, what can I do to fix this? I have courier selected which looks just fine on the xemacs running on the X server box, could anti-aliasing be off on the headless box or something? |
| 04:22.10 | ajdlinux | the x server isnt configured properly, jsmidt |
| 04:22.12 | blujay | jsmidt: What version of Debian? |
| 04:22.26 | ajdlinux | xorg or xfree86? |
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| 04:22.43 | jsmidt | I tried etch, that didn't work, so then I tried unstable and that didn't work either |
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| 04:22.50 | ajdlinux | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg|xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:23.02 | ajdlinux | then make sure that you have the right modules and stuff |
| 04:23.16 | ajdlinux | and the right frequencies and res and stuff like that |
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| 04:23.24 | jsmidt | thanks ajdlinux I'll give it a try |
| 04:23.32 | Bonkers | I'm using unstable and I don't have any xserver installed |
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| 04:23.36 | ajdlinux | youre welcome |
| 04:23.44 | ajdlinux | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 04:23.48 | jsmidt | How do you know if you have the right modules? |
| 04:24.00 | ajdlinux | what brand of videocard do you have? |
| 04:24.09 | jsmidt | I'm not sure |
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| 04:24.30 | ajdlinux | if you arent sure use vesa its nearly guaranteed to work |
| 04:24.35 | ajdlinux | but it looks crap |
| 04:24.38 | jsmidt | thanks again |
| 04:24.55 | ajdlinux | also do you have windows on there? |
| 04:25.05 | Bonkers | are corefonts no longer available on debian? |
| 04:25.06 | shogunx | Bonkers do you have xfs running? |
| 04:25.11 | pipeline | Bonkers: they're in nonfree |
| 04:25.13 | jsmidt | I do not have windows |
| 04:25.16 | ajdlinux | try knoppix or something - you'll be able to find out your card |
| 04:25.21 | Bonkers | hmm, what's it called? I have non-free in my sources |
| 04:25.22 | pipeline | Bonkers: you'll also need x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 04:25.25 | Bonkers | shogunx: don't think so |
| 04:25.29 | pipeline | Bonkers: msttcorefonts |
| 04:25.31 | ajdlinux | vesa only has something like 800x600 and crap like that |
| 04:25.36 | Bonkers | I have x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 04:25.43 | pipeline | ajdlinux: VESA goes up to very high resolutions |
| 04:25.50 | ajdlinux | depends |
| 04:25.50 | shogunx | Bonkers oh, sorry. ssh X forwarding. i was thinking of xdmcp. |
| 04:25.51 | pipeline | ajdlinux: It's just that some cards don't support very interesting VESA modes |
| 04:25.57 | ajdlinux | exactly |
| 04:26.02 | ajdlinux | like most of my cards |
| 04:26.05 | pipeline | ajdlinux: Not my fault you bought a shit card, fag |
| 04:26.09 | pipeline | ajdlinux: Whoops |
| 04:26.15 | pipeline | ajdlinux: I remember too late this isn't EFnet. |
| 04:26.18 | Bonkers | shogunx: ya, I'd assume it uses the xfs on the server |
| 04:26.23 | ajdlinux | lspci or lshal should help you determine your video card |
| 04:26.47 | pipeline | Bonkers: Emacs has its own font server. I'm not kidding. |
| 04:26.55 | pipeline | Bonkers: err, it's own font format. |
| 04:27.02 | Bonkers | heh, it's possible |
| 04:27.08 | ajdlinux | lspci - look for a line saying VGA compatible controller and find your brand, then use dpkg-reconfigure to set the X module for your card |
| 04:28.15 | Bonkers | I've got all the same config files though on this new box |
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| 04:30.22 | Bonkers | I think this xemacs actually uses gtk2 |
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| 04:31.16 | Bonkers | how do I make sure gtk2 stuff have antialiased fonts on debian? |
| 04:31.30 | ajdlinux | i hate gtk2 configuration |
| 04:31.43 | Bonkers | which util should I start hating first? |
| 04:31.50 | ajdlinux | what utils? |
| 04:31.58 | Bonkers | having to do with gtk2 font configuraiton |
| 04:32.01 | ajdlinux | there are no obvious utils with gtk |
| 04:32.19 | Bonkers | I remember seeing a program once that had some font config stuff for gtk2 |
| 04:32.25 | ajdlinux | gnome maybe?? |
| 04:32.44 | ajdlinux | apt-cache search fonts | grep gtk |
| 04:32.46 | Bonkers | nah, never had gnome installed |
| 04:32.49 | Bonkers | ya, that didn't find anything |
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| 04:33.03 | unstable | apt-cache search gtk|grep fonts |
| 04:33.07 | ajdlinux | gtkfontsel?? |
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| 04:34.26 | Bonkers | I think that's for gtk1.2, it just pulled that in as a dep |
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| 04:34.52 | Bonkers | but that's just a font picker |
| 04:35.12 | ajdlinux | hmmm - that's the problem with gtk |
| 04:35.32 | ajdlinux | i know the tool you need - nano or vi or emacs or kwrite or gedit |
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| 04:35.45 | ajdlinux | i much prefer kde |
| 04:35.47 | Bonkers | you know what, I bet I have the 'free' truetype without the hinting |
| 04:36.00 | ajdlinux | which font are you trying? |
| 04:36.32 | ajdlinux | i tend to use bitstream |
| 04:36.38 | Bonkers | some courier font |
| 04:36.55 | Bonkers | do I have to pull freetype from non-free somehow though? |
| 04:37.03 | ajdlinux | freetype? |
| 04:37.21 | Deek | freetype is configured to use the bytecode interpreter. |
| 04:37.34 | ajdlinux | btw *free*type |
| 04:37.42 | Bonkers | Deek: can I verify that somehow? |
| 04:37.54 | Deek | Bonkers: Unnecessary; it is. |
| 04:37.57 | Bonkers | ajdlinux: yes, but there is a patent on ttf hinting |
| 04:38.06 | Bonkers | Deek, did the patent expire or something? |
| 04:38.09 | Deek | Bonkers: no |
| 04:38.19 | Bonkers | I'm just trying to figure out why these fonts look like crap |
| 04:38.28 | ajdlinux | what gtk program? |
| 04:38.47 | ajdlinux | i'm using kde with really good antialiasing and i dont have any nonfree |
| 04:39.03 | Bonkers | http://terrapin.shacknet.nu/xemacs.png |
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| 04:39.15 | Bonkers | look at the 'Copyright' word specifically, it's really bad |
| 04:39.57 | Deek | The xorg "built-in" freetype doesn't use the interpreter. |
| 04:40.00 | ajdlinux | what's bad about it? |
| 04:40.15 | ajdlinux | bte |
| 04:40.19 | ajdlinux | sorry |
| 04:40.32 | ajdlinux | btw i'm using xorg 6.9 from backports |
| 04:40.39 | Bonkers | that doesn't look horrid to you? |
| 04:40.54 | ajdlinux | why should it? |
| 04:41.07 | Deek | That means that XLFD (bitmapped) TT fonts look like crap. |
| 04:41.17 | Deek | The solution is to use a font server. |
| 04:41.19 | Bonkers | http://terrapin.shacknet.nu/xemacs-good.png |
| 04:41.31 | ajdlinux | oh i see now |
| 04:41.33 | Bonkers | Deek, would the font server be on the server or the client side? |
| 04:41.45 | ajdlinux | what do you mean? |
| 04:41.50 | ajdlinux | install it on your own pc |
| 04:41.53 | Bonkers | this is running over x forwarding |
| 04:42.03 | Deek | It runs on the X server. |
| 04:42.04 | ajdlinux | server i would guess |
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| 04:42.17 | Deek | well, it talks to the X server. |
| 04:42.17 | Bonkers | that's what I figured, those shots were taken on the same box |
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| 04:42.26 | jsmidt | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg says it doesn't recognise my video card, lspci -v says my card is: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. Mobil Integrated graphics controller(rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 04:42.28 | Bonkers | do I need xfs on the client also? |
| 04:42.40 | Deek | no |
| 04:42.44 | blujay | jsmidt: does the VESA driver work? |
| 04:42.46 | Bonkers | the only different in the shots is one running remotely one running locally |
| 04:42.58 | jsmidt | how do I run the vesa driver? |
| 04:43.02 | ajdlinux | jsmidt: try i810 or similar |
| 04:43.06 | blujay | jsmidt: select it when you configure x |
| 04:43.12 | jsmidt | thanks |
| 04:43.28 | Bonkers | Deek, it certainly does look like bitmapped fonts, but why would it choose those? |
| 04:43.33 | Deek | Bonkers: That's not the only difference, they're using different fonts. |
| 04:43.38 | ajdlinux | jsmidt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:44.22 | Bonkers | Deek: it claims to be using the same fonts |
| 04:44.23 | Bonkers | or at least trying |
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| 04:44.38 | Deek | One is courier, one is arial |
| 04:44.45 | Deek | err, courier new |
| 04:44.57 | Deek | The crappy-looking one is Courier New. |
| 04:45.35 | Bonkers | "Font -*-Courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*" that's what it claims |
| 04:45.49 | Bonkers | maybe it's not available and defaulting to something close |
| 04:45.55 | Deek | Just look at "* scratch *" |
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| 04:46.00 | Deek | or whatever. |
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| 04:46.25 | Deek | You can tell they're different fonts. |
| 04:46.37 | Bonkers | you sure it's just not crappy bitmap scaling? |
| 04:47.04 | Deek | Impossible. |
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| 04:47.10 | ajdlinux | hmm |
| 04:47.26 | unstable | I have a PAL DVD iso from europe that I downloaded, and I mounted it, mount -o loop blah.iso blah/; and I cd blah, and I play it like so... "mplayer dvd:// -fs -slang en -dvd-device ./" .. my laptop is an American laptop (toshiba, with an ATI Mobolity 7000, and I am using xorg 7, and the floss "ati" driver that comes with xorg,(my card isn't supported by fglrx). So the movie plays and all, except there is a 1cm black strip, on the left and right |
| 04:47.39 | unstable | How can I get rid of this black strip on the left and right side? |
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| 04:47.48 | Bonkers | Deek: but you still think it looks like bitmapped fonts? |
| 04:48.01 | Deek | It's obviously bitmapped. |
| 04:48.13 | unstable | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.16 | Bonkers | only in the bad case, so how do I convince it not to use bitmapped fonts? |
| 04:48.16 | sfullenwider | unstable: some movies have those strps, esp. if they're using a weird aspect ratio |
| 04:48.30 | Deek | Bonkers: They're _all_ bitmaps. |
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| 04:48.44 | Bonkers | truetype fonts don't come from scaled bitmaps |
| 04:48.49 | ajdlinux | try right clicking on mplayer and changing the ratio |
| 04:49.07 | Bonkers | unstable: try -zoomxy <xres of your screen> |
| 04:49.08 | Deek | There is not a single AA character in either screen shot. |
| 04:49.28 | Bonkers | doesn't mean it has to be bitmapped though |
| 04:49.32 | Deek | Yes it does. |
| 04:49.40 | shingouz | unstable: try something simpler and see if it works. mplayer -slang en /path/to/mount/point |
| 04:49.55 | Deek | Scalable fonts are rasterized to either bitmaps or pixmaps. |
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| 04:50.03 | Bonkers | well in the end |
| 04:50.10 | Bonkers | but bitmapped fonts normally mean they start and end their life as bitmaps |
| 04:50.37 | Bonkers | and look truly crappy because of it, they just scale the same bitmap to different sizes, they don't use bezier curves and stuff like tt fonts |
| 04:50.54 | unstable | shingouz: But that won't work. |
| 04:51.07 | unstable | shingouz: It's VIDEO_TS directory with multiple 1 gig *.VOB files |
| 04:51.07 | p00ya | Bonkers: that's just your definition. i'd say "bitmap font" is what you're describing, whereas "bitmapped" implies they've been converted from non-bitmap to bitmap |
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| 04:52.13 | Bonkers | Deek, well then how do you suggest I fix that bad font? xemacs doesn't think it's using courier new at least |
| 04:52.14 | Deek | Bonkers: X only delivers bitmaps. |
| 04:52.14 | shingouz | i do not even know how to ask about this but lets see if i can explain: suddenly i cannot log onto my gmail with galeon or firefox at all. also amsn refuses to connect to messenger but gaim does it flawlessly. something strange with the codes the thing sends out? hints appreciated |
| 04:52.16 | shingouz | unstable: hmm... bigger hammer? |
| 04:52.18 | ajdlinux | shingouz: ssl? |
| 04:52.43 | blujay | shingouz: you didn't say what error messages you get |
| 04:52.44 | Bonkers | Deek: any font I choose looks like pure crap, it looks like a bitmap that's improperly scaled, I have no idea why, but that's just what it looks like to me |
| 04:53.01 | Bonkers | maybe it's going ttf->bitmap->scaled bitmap for some reason? |
| 04:53.05 | Deek | Bonkers: There's nothing wrong with the font, it's xorg's built-in TT rasterizer. |
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| 04:53.08 | shingouz | blujay: just that the user/pass does not match |
| 04:53.22 | blujay | shingouz: in what program? |
| 04:53.23 | shingouz | ajdlinux: tried with ssl on and off with amsn, no luck |
| 04:53.25 | Deek | Bonkers: xfs uses the system FreeType. |
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| 04:53.36 | shingouz | blujay: amsn/gaim firefox/galeon |
| 04:53.40 | ajdlinux | apt-get check? |
| 04:53.42 | dan2 | shogunx, how are ya man |
| 04:53.56 | blujay | shingouz: are you using SSL in the other apps? |
| 04:54.00 | Deek | Bonkers: As a result, you get good bitmaps out of xfs even when you don't get them out of the freetype module. |
| 04:54.09 | shingouz | blujay: define other please? |
| 04:54.24 | Deek | So disable the freetype module in the xorg config and use an xfs. |
| 04:54.25 | blujay | shingouz: ...the other ones you listed... |
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| 04:54.26 | Bonkers | maybe I should try installing xfs on the client side? |
| 04:54.42 | Deek | It's not enough to install it, you have to use it. |
| 04:54.50 | Bonkers | Deek: but the same X server displayed both of those shots |
| 04:55.20 | shingouz | blujay: gmail wants to use ssl iirc... the funny thing is that i was able to log onto all the places last week but now it just refuses. no, i have not done anything to the system in a few weeks |
| 04:55.23 | Deek | Bonkers: They're not displaying the same fonts either. |
| 04:55.35 | Bonkers | well that may be, but any font looks terrible in the bad version |
| 04:55.38 | blujay | shingouz: reboot? |
| 04:55.42 | unstable | Bonkers: What is the syntax for -zoomxy? |
| 04:55.44 | Deek | One is Courier, the other is Courier New. |
| 04:55.49 | unstable | mplayer dvd:// -fs -slang en -zoom 1024x768 -dvd-device ./ ? |
| 04:55.49 | Bonkers | unstable: man mplayer |
| 04:55.53 | shingouz | blujay: reboot? EEEEEK |
| 04:55.59 | unstable | Bonkers: I did, I'm confused by it still. |
| 04:55.59 | Bonkers | that's -zoom, not -zoomxy... |
| 04:56.05 | Bonkers | they're different options |
| 04:56.11 | blujay | shingouz: yeah well you never know, it's worth a try |
| 04:56.13 | unstable | Bonkers: I tried -zoomxy 1024x768 also |
| 04:56.23 | Bonkers | just use the x res |
| 04:56.26 | Bonkers | -zoomxy 1024 |
| 04:56.29 | muggermuch | shingouz: try "firefox -P test" to test with a new profile. |
| 04:56.33 | blujay | shingouz: you can't rule it out until you try it |
| 04:56.53 | unstable | Bonkers: unknown option |
| 04:56.59 | shingouz | muggermuch: lets see... blujay: reboot is the last option ;) |
| 04:57.09 | blujay | unstable: you might look into kmenc15 |
| 04:57.27 | Bonkers | http://terrapin.shacknet.nu/xemacs-bitstream-vera-sans-mono.png |
| 04:57.50 | Bonkers | unstable: oops, just -xy |
| 04:59.23 | unstable | Bonkers: yea, there is still a 1 cm black strip on the left and right side |
| 04:59.24 | unstable | o well |
| 04:59.39 | Bonkers | wait, you want to scale it to the wrong aspect ration? |
| 04:59.40 | Bonkers | ratio |
| 04:59.40 | unstable | blujay: eh, I don't have time for that. |
| 04:59.51 | unix_infidel | anyone know if you can connect to a server to play XBL with other people? |
| 05:00.01 | unstable | I have a PAL DVD iso from europe that I downloaded, and I mounted it, mount -o loop blah.iso blah/; and I cd blah, and I play it like so... "mplayer dvd:// -fs -slang en -dvd-device ./" .. my laptop is an American laptop (toshiba, with an ATI Mobolity 7000, and I am using xorg 7, and the floss "ati" driver that comes with xorg,(my card isn't supported by fglrx). So the movie plays and all, except there is a 1cm black strip, on the left and right |
| 05:00.10 | Bonkers | unstable: try -x instead of -xy |
| 05:00.29 | unstable | Bonkers: the same still |
| 05:00.52 | Bonkers | -aspect 4:3 ? |
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| 05:01.04 | Bonkers | mplayer -zoom -x 1024 |
| 05:01.05 | Bonkers | try that |
| 05:01.06 | jojosan | Hello people |
| 05:01.21 | jojosan | just broken my SID :( |
| 05:01.22 | unstable | lol, that makes it all weird Bonkers |
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| 05:01.39 | Bonkers | as it should, it's scaling to the wrong aspect ratio |
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| 05:02.21 | Bonkers | Deek, so no idea what to do to fix this? |
| 05:03.00 | jojosan | does anybody have an idea on how to repair that, temporarily at least ? |
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| 05:03.31 | shingouz | muggermuch: good call, works with the test user, now i just have to figure out wtf happened to the normal user |
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| 05:03.37 | blujay | jojosan: glue it back together |
| 05:03.38 | Deek | Bonkers: Read my lips. Font. Server. |
| 05:03.55 | jojosan | blujay: yay |
| 05:04.17 | shingouz | jojosan: how about giving us some info on what you managed to fuxx0r up? |
| 05:04.17 | Bonkers | Deek: but how can that be the problem if the local xemacs looks just fine on the same X server which must have some font server? |
| 05:04.42 | Deek | There is no font server. |
| 05:05.02 | p00ya | after upgrading to xorg 7, and getting "xinit: Server error." after startx, where do i go about looking for logs to see what i haven't done? |
| 05:05.03 | Bonkers | ok |
| 05:05.13 | Bonkers | why would the local copy look good though? luck? different font rendering? |
| 05:05.15 | blujay | p00ya: /var/log |
| 05:05.22 | p00ya | blujay: that's where i'm looking |
| 05:05.23 | p00ya | no dice |
| 05:05.24 | Deek | Different actual fonts. |
| 05:05.33 | Bonkers | well any font looks bad in one place, any looks good in another |
| 05:05.36 | Deek | No. |
| 05:05.40 | Bonkers | I just started xfs too, I should restart X I think? |
| 05:05.43 | Deek | no |
| 05:05.45 | muggermuch | p00ya: /var/log/xorg.log? |
| 05:05.47 | blujay | p00ya: you mean that there is no /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 05:05.58 | p00ya | at least, /var/log/Xorg.0.log is from 6.9 |
| 05:06.01 | jojosan | shingouz: just aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:06.07 | Bonkers | do I not have to restart X after starting xfs? because just starting it didn't help |
| 05:06.08 | p00ya | nothing's being written to it from the new X 7 |
| 05:06.10 | muggermuch | p00ya: what blujay said |
| 05:06.12 | Deek | You need to make sure the X server is using the font server. |
| 05:06.16 | Bonkers | ok |
| 05:06.22 | Deek | And _not_ using the freetype module. |
| 05:06.40 | p00ya | blujay: so i'm guessing maybe the X binary isn't even getting executed |
| 05:06.47 | jojosan | oh, and... when trying to run X11R7, it does not find the nvidia module |
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| 05:06.51 | blujay | p00ya: maybe so |
| 05:07.03 | p00ya | the xinit error message isn't very informative though |
| 05:07.04 | blujay | p00ya: this is why I stick with X from testing :) |
| 05:07.08 | p00ya | and the X binary is where it should be |
| 05:08.05 | d03boy | I had sarge then I upgraded to testing. I had a script that I wrote that went through some commands to set up my wifi but now it doesnt work. It says wlan0: No such device. I am not sure how to get that device back. |
| 05:08.10 | shingouz | jojosan: from etch to sid? |
| 05:08.21 | jojosan | shingouz: nop |
| 05:08.25 | jojosan | from SID to SID |
| 05:08.33 | p00ya | d03boy: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:08.39 | jojosan | just dist-upgraded my SID as I often do |
| 05:08.42 | shingouz | jojosan: fyi, it is Sid, not SID |
| 05:08.42 | d03boy | ok |
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| 05:09.08 | jojosan | shingouz: t'is SID, as Still In Dev. |
| 05:09.16 | jojosan | acronyms are with caps |
| 05:09.17 | shingouz | jojosan: you really should check the bugs before you do something as stupid as a dist-upgrade on Sid |
| 05:09.18 | stew | jojosan: no, its not |
| 05:09.29 | intx | what's the major differences between samhain and aide? |
| 05:09.32 | stew | jojosan: its named after the kid in toy story that breaks toys |
| 05:09.36 | shingouz | jojosan: Sid as the character in Toy Story. rtfm |
| 05:09.46 | jojosan | yeah, and also an acronym for still in dev |
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| 05:09.50 | shingouz | bs |
| 05:09.52 | stew | jojosan: no, its not |
| 05:09.56 | jojosan | let's not troll about the distro name |
| 05:09.57 | jojosan | yes it is |
| 05:10.07 | jojosan | or version names |
| 05:10.09 | d03boy | what is sarge an acronym for? |
| 05:10.12 | liable | doesnt matter. its broken :) |
| 05:10.14 | stew | !sid |
| 05:10.14 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 05:10.21 | stew | [and wrongly] |
| 05:10.24 | shingouz | !sid faq |
| 05:10.24 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 05:10.37 | unix_infidel | http://phraktured.net/images/funny/tcppunch.gif |
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| 05:10.59 | jojosan | so, let's call it Sid if you want |
| 05:11.05 | wray | hi all |
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| 05:11.35 | shingouz | fluck... time to put a "few" packages on hold for a basic apt-get upgrade. i love sid :) |
| 05:12.22 | starfishy | the xorg upgrade to 7.0 seems to break a few things |
| 05:12.38 | stew | there is the redundant statement of the week :) |
| 05:12.42 | liable | indeedy |
| 05:13.02 | wray | anyone has encountered this problem when installing a new kernel? |
| 05:13.13 | liable | dont paste here |
| 05:13.19 | starfishy | wray: a few times over the years |
| 05:13.21 | starfishy | why? |
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| 05:13.24 | jojosan | starfishy: not "a few" :) |
| 05:13.37 | wray | kernel panic not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) |
| 05:13.41 | jojosan | yeah |
| 05:13.42 | starfishy | jojosan: the statement was supposed to be funny |
| 05:13.43 | jojosan | that's common |
| 05:13.45 | Johnny_5 | i just reinstalled debian and i can't get enlightenment to work. is there anything special i have to do to get it to work? |
| 05:13.46 | starfishy | ill wait for a while |
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| 05:14.02 | starfishy | currently there is nothing that absolutely needs upgrading |
| 05:14.19 | jojosan | IDE driver not included wray ? |
| 05:14.26 | jojosan | (or SATA or SCSI or w/e) |
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| 05:14.40 | wray | I think it's included. and I've ext2 and ext3 compiled in |
| 05:15.08 | stew | wray: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 05:15.20 | LordNazgul | having trouble tunnelling port via ssh i have pasted the output here: http://pastebin.com/660989 |
| 05:15.21 | muggermuch | wray: root device on kernel command line may be wrong |
| 05:15.27 | p00ya | what's the command that tells you which package owns a file? |
| 05:15.37 | stew | p00ya: dpkg -S |
| 05:15.39 | jojosan | that would be dumb, if usuing update-grub |
| 05:15.41 | jojosan | -u |
| 05:15.42 | p00ya | thanks |
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| 05:15.50 | stew | p00ya: or /msg dpkg apt-file ; if it's a package not yet installed |
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| 05:16.37 | stew | LordNazgul: is something else already listening to 5900? /msg dpkg open ports |
| 05:16.53 | muggermuch | LordNazgul: Probably 5900 is "already taken" check netstat -an |
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| 05:17.04 | d03boy | p00ya, I just looked at the interfaces file and read the man file but I'm still kind of confused. Do I need to uncomment the auto wlan0 line? |
| 05:17.06 | wray | mugger: but I'm copying a former menu.list's entry |
| 05:17.09 | Johnny_5 | i just reinstalled debian and i can't get enlightenment to work. is there anything special i have to do to get it to work? |
| 05:17.11 | LordNazgul | stew netstat -a |pgrep 5900 returns nothing, and ive tried sending it to other ports too |
| 05:17.40 | dark_light | how can i setup my ip on the local network? i have an ip for internet, but not an ip on local network (i think). i am looking for a command or a config file or a man page |
| 05:17.41 | Johnny_5 | i already apt-get installed it |
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| 05:17.57 | Rugmonster | I'm guessing I'm not the only person with a broken X.org install running unstable :P |
| 05:17.59 | stew | wray: don't do that, use update-grub |
| 05:18.05 | wray | mugger: it can't be quite wrong. right? the root partition can't be wrong. Because other kernel can boot from it |
| 05:18.13 | merlincorey | Rugmonster: BTS, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 05:18.13 | stew | wray: is your root on ide? which driver did you comile in? |
| 05:18.44 | Johnny_5 | brb |
| 05:19.01 | Rugmonster | merlincorey: what is apt-listbugs? |
| 05:19.12 | LordNazgul | stew any other ideas? |
| 05:19.19 | stew | Rugmonster: apt-cache show apt-listbugs |
| 05:19.21 | merlincorey | Rugmonster: (either you should go to the BTS and report a bug as you were one of the intrepid ones who grabbed it early and get the fun, or you |
| 05:19.23 | stew | LordNazgul: dunno |
| 05:19.24 | merlincorey | apt-listbugs - Lists critical bugs before each apt installation |
| 05:19.30 | LordNazgul | stew thx anyhow |
| 05:19.32 | muggermuch | wray: in which case problem is with initrd.img. Probably drivers for device not loaded. |
| 05:19.35 | merlincorey | Rugmonster: didn't use apt-listbugs and you're running unstable and you probably should not be |
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| 05:19.41 | stew | LordNazgul: does it work as root? |
| 05:19.46 | LordNazgul | stew nope |
| 05:19.54 | p00ya | d03boy: see interfaces(5), you want to bring wlan0 up before using it in your script |
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| 05:20.03 | rredd4 | I have a Netgear wireless pc card that I need to install into sarge. Could someone take a quick look at this web site, to see if it is what I need to do please. http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/wireless.html#id2738524 Then click on debian to review |
| 05:20.09 | Rugmonster | merlincorey: nah, i've been running unstable for years. Just never heard about apt-listbugs before. |
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| 05:20.17 | muggermuch | LordNazgul: how about ssh localhost -L 1234:localhost:4321? |
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| 05:21.12 | merlincorey | Rugmonster: I wasn't saying you were inexperienced, just insinuating that you are working sort of "blind" without some useful unstable tools :) |
| 05:21.31 | Johnny_5 | is there anything special i have to do to enlightenment to get it to run? i already apt-get installed it |
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| 05:21.57 | merlincorey | Rugmonster: and blind people shouldn't administrate *n?x boxes without a screen reader, you know? think of apt-listbugs as your screen reader |
| 05:22.00 | Johnny_5 | but now it won't even show up in my menus |
| 05:22.02 | wray | stew: I have IDE disk. And I have "Include IDE/ATA2 DISK support" enabled |
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| 05:22.46 | Rugmonster | merlincorey: thanks for the tip. I think I'm going to just wait it out for a few days and see what happens. I'll know better in the future. |
| 05:22.48 | sn00p | anybody know where the X config file is located? |
| 05:23.04 | jojosan | wray: what about the drivers ? do you include yours/all of them ? |
| 05:23.13 | muggermuch | sn00p: /etc/X11 |
| 05:23.17 | sn00p | ok thanks |
| 05:23.27 | merlincorey | Rugmonster: good luck, and apt-get install apt-listbugs! |
| 05:23.38 | wray | jojosan: I'm not sure. I just included generic/default IDE chipset support |
| 05:23.44 | merlincorey | :) |
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| 05:24.41 | jojosan | wray: ok... try to work around that IDE drivers thing |
| 05:24.52 | wray | jojo: mine is a thinkpad x22. How can I know what chipset I'm using? lspci shows : "Intel 82801CAM IDE U100 |
| 05:25.15 | liable | iipx |
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| 05:25.35 | liable | .. iirc |
| 05:25.36 | wray | jojo: i think this is nothing to do with DMA. OK? |
| 05:25.39 | d03boy | p00ya, i dont know what pre-up command to run. I nver had to do anything like this before |
| 05:25.54 | rredd4 | http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/wireless.html#id2738524 Is this the correct procedure to install wireless card in sarge? |
| 05:25.54 | jojosan | wray: DMA's an advantage.period |
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| 05:26.11 | wray | jojo: I have Generic PCI IDE Chipset Support |
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| 05:26.29 | jojosan | I'll tell you what I have in private |
| 05:26.34 | wray | jojo: so that shouldn't be the reason why I can't boot. |
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| 05:26.35 | liable | d03boy: the device has prolly changed names, whats does ifconfig -a show? |
| 05:27.11 | d03boy | liable, eth0, eth1, lo, sit0 |
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| 05:27.15 | jojosan | anyway gtg |
| 05:27.19 | shingouz | wray: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 05:27.21 | jojosan | bye |
| 05:27.21 | shingouz | ;) |
| 05:27.26 | liable | d03boy: then its probably eth1 now |
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| 05:27.51 | wray | shingouz: what do you mean? |
| 05:27.59 | liable | d03boy: you can check with the mac address i guess. if you want it always to be wlan0, check out ifrename package |
| 05:28.01 | shingouz | !tell wray about nicktab |
| 05:28.16 | jnc | oh, sid. heh. anyone else bitten by their own dist-upgrade X11-not-worky curiousity? |
| 05:28.45 | d03boy | liable, well, from what ifconfig shows, it doesnt seem to think its a wifi card now... i had to use ndiswrapper before because its a broadcom card |
| 05:28.59 | wray | shingouz, that's great! Thank you! |
| 05:29.02 | shingouz | np |
| 05:29.04 | liable | d03boy: does it show in iwconfig? |
| 05:29.18 | d03boy | it shows all of thsoe sayin g"no wireless extensions" |
| 05:29.24 | p00ya | jnc: oh yes |
| 05:29.40 | jnc | p00ya: exciting changes are happening :) |
| 05:29.47 | p00ya | couple of regressions too |
| 05:29.55 | p00ya | just had to file a bug for stuff that was fixed in 6.9 |
| 05:30.10 | jnc | i like how everything is moved, and the only thing remaining is input and video modules |
| 05:30.18 | jnc | naturally X11 is difficult to use without input or video. |
| 05:30.25 | jojosan | okay... let's make a nice reinstallation of the graphics part |
| 05:30.28 | rredd4 | d03boy are you trying to install a wireless card? |
| 05:30.58 | d03boy | rredd4, it was working before I upgraded to testing |
| 05:31.07 | rredd4 | hmmm |
| 05:31.11 | d03boy | so... i dont know if it uninstalled it or something? |
| 05:31.11 | jnc | p00ya: is Xorg 7.0 targetted for etch? |
| 05:31.33 | p00ya | no idea |
| 05:31.41 | jnc | i'm on amd64 arch, curious about that. amd64 entering officially in etch, and all that |
| 05:31.46 | rredd4 | d03boy I just got a new wireless card, not sure how to install it in sarge |
| 05:32.03 | jnc | rredd4: know which wifi chipset? |
| 05:32.17 | d03boy | rredd4, well before I had used ndiswrapper. But I think there is a newer broadcom driver (still a little buggy) |
| 05:32.18 | rredd4 | not sure |
| 05:32.39 | liable | lspci will point you in the roght direction |
| 05:32.44 | liable | right.. |
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| 05:33.03 | rredd4 | jnc I have netgear wg511 v2 wireless card |
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| 05:33.32 | jnc | rredd4: it would be wise to google for "linux chipset netgear wg511 wifi" |
| 05:33.46 | rredd4 | ok |
| 05:33.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:33.47 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:34.01 | jnc | peck through the results for something that shows a user and their experience getting the card to run |
| 05:34.22 | jnc | it is likely that someone else has documented the experience even before you purchased the card |
| 05:35.22 | jnc | when/if you find some more clues, a better question to ask is "i have xyz chipset card, are the drivers xyzdriver v2.0 usable in Debian (sarge) ?" something like that |
| 05:36.25 | jnc | i don't know if foo brand bar model wifi card works, but you give me the chipset name, and i can probably find an example if it being used on a GNU/Linux OS system, if possible. |
| 05:36.48 | d03boy | so I still dont know wtf to do... will upgrading to testing from sarge uninstall my wifi or what? how do I even check what it did? |
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| 05:37.26 | d03boy | i dont knwo where to begin |
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| 05:38.11 | jnc | what sort of hardware is this, cardbus/pcmcia device or PCI card, or USB device? |
| 05:38.47 | d03boy | pcmcia i think |
| 05:39.19 | jnc | okay. FYI pcmcia and cardbus are basically 16 and 32 bit versions of the same interface for all explanitory purposes, respectively |
| 05:39.44 | jnc | same physical interconnect, different data bandwidth and linux kernel hardware support driver modules |
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| 05:40.33 | jnc | there's a "pcmcia" subsystem in the function of Linux Kernel code on a GNU/Linux OS system, for example Debian |
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| 05:41.37 | jnc | you pop a cardbus card in, linux kernel notifies a hotplug script, script says aaieee and runs some logic, linux kernel module loads into memory with support for any extra cardbus interfaces |
| 05:41.54 | darkraider | can someone tell me how i can install tcllib is there a repo i can use |
| 05:42.31 | jnc | at this point you have a cardbus device physically inserted, and the linux kernel has driver support loaded to talk to the card in a very basic form to query and speak cardbus/pcmcia ish things |
| 05:42.47 | rredd4 | jnc I guess its prism54 |
| 05:42.47 | jnc | use 'cardctl' command to interact with those settings btw |
| 05:42.59 | startingx | hi i've just got x windows login screen up and running but i can't move my mouse and anything typed turns up as crappy characters |
| 05:43.01 | jnc | rredd4: #prism54 i think |
| 05:43.09 | rredd4 | ok ty |
| 05:43.09 | jnc | whole channel devoted to that one |
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| 05:43.53 | startingx | i've tried many configuration but it still didn't click. please help. |
| 05:43.57 | jnc | once that basic recognition of a cardbus/pcmcia device is there, a device driver can talk to the hardware and initialize + make the device useful |
| 05:44.22 | jnc | so first troubleshooting would be to use 'cardctl' to display the card info and make sure it's being picked up by the pcmcia subsystem |
| 05:44.40 | jnc | 'man cardctl' for the cardctl manual, in case you don't know how to use that command |
| 05:45.39 | Dwonis | 'man cardctl' is sexist. It should be called 'nonspecificgenderperson cardctl' |
| 05:45.51 | jnc | incidentally, the pcmcia subsystem sort of emulates cardbus/pcmcia devices as PCI bus devices. i'm not certian if "emulate" is the correct word, but that's about as best i figure it |
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| 05:46.38 | jnc | Dwonis: man automatic\ door |
| 05:47.05 | Dwonis | jnc: eh? |
| 05:47.42 | VivekVC | how do i list all users on a system ? |
| 05:47.59 | jnc | VivekVC: logged in or just any user |
| 05:47.59 | Dwonis | VivekVC: logged-in users, or *all* users |
| 05:48.01 | darkraider | can someone tell me how i can install tcllib is there a repo i can use. i need to install eggdrop on my system |
| 05:48.22 | Dwonis | darkraider: um... apt-get install eggdrop ? |
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| 05:48.37 | jnc | Dwonis: shhhh, that would be too easy |
| 05:48.46 | Dwonis | darkraider: or apt-cache show eggdrop | grep Depends |
| 05:49.03 | VivekVC | Dwonis and jnc: *All* users on the system |
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| 05:49.14 | VivekVC | w is for logged in users right ? |
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| 05:49.21 | Dwonis | VivekVC: cat /etc/passwd | cut -d: -f1 |
| 05:49.25 | darkraider | thank you dwonis |
| 05:49.29 | jnc | VivekVC: w aliases to 'who' i think |
| 05:49.42 | Dwonis | jnc: w and who give different output for me |
| 05:50.35 | VivekVC | Dwonis: Thanks, I am aware of /etc/passwd but wanted to know there is any specific command to list *all* users. Thanks Dwonis and jnc. |
| 05:51.29 | jnc | VivekVC: err, passwd should be all users |
| 05:51.37 | Dwonis | VivekVC: vim ~/notes.txt ? |
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| 05:51.43 | jnc | unless you're on an LDAP auth'd box |
| 05:51.58 | Dwonis | there's a command that uses libnss... but I can't remember it |
| 05:52.05 | VivekVC | Dwonis: need to do something like that. Maybe upload it on the net somewhere. |
| 05:52.19 | jnc | VivekVC: or log into the box you saved it on ;) |
| 05:52.27 | VivekVC | jnc: lol |
| 05:52.46 | jnc | not kidding. i have notes files on a few hosts, each one has different kinds of notes. |
| 05:52.50 | jnc | not sure why i do that |
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| 05:53.17 | Dwonis | also, you could use set up a subversion repo to keep them all in sync |
| 05:53.56 | Dwonis | svnserve is really quite easy to set up |
| 05:54.58 | jnc | Dwonis: i agree about svn being easy to set up |
| 05:55.25 | VivekVC | jnc: Advice taken. I am working as a FLOSS Technology content developer for Hifx IT and Media Services (http://www.hifx.net). There are times at work when i forget from one end and it looks frustrating. I go ask out sys admins about stuff and they ask me to read the manuals. I also need to learn the art of looking up the manuals. I have problems with my vision so i prefer ORiely books, but they cost quite a lot. |
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| 05:55.51 | danf_1979 | Hi |
| 05:56.12 | Dwonis | VivekVC: google is quite handy. I usually search for bits of a question that might be asked, and hope I can find the question already-asked on a mailing list somewhere |
| 05:56.19 | danf_1979 | Why does Exim get installed when I did no server selections dyrubg the installation? |
| 05:56.26 | danf_1979 | during* |
| 05:56.27 | danf_1979 | :) |
| 05:56.33 | dutchfish | hi guys, what does mean Pre-depends? |
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| 05:56.49 | pbryan | danf_1979: because various packages need ability to "send mail" such as cron. |
| 05:56.53 | Dwonis | danf_1979: mail is used internally by the system. For example, if you set up a cron job and it fails, you are notified via email |
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| 05:57.08 | cairo_ | hi |
| 05:57.10 | danf_1979 | Ok |
| 05:57.11 | Dwonis | danf_1979: just set it up for "local delivery only" and you should be fine |
| 05:57.21 | jnc | VivekVC: "rtfm" is usually a symptom of either (A)rrogant people you work with (or against? it might seem), or (B)ecause you are not asking better questions |
| 05:57.29 | cairo_ | ive just upgraded to x11r7 and now no gtk programs are working anymore |
| 05:57.37 | cairo_ | any idea what i could do= |
| 05:57.54 | Dwonis | x11r7? we can do that now? |
| 05:57.55 | jnc | i find that asking a really good question yields at least a crappy answer, a lot of the time. |
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| 05:58.04 | Dwonis | Is Xorg 7.0 actually X11R7? |
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| 05:58.16 | jnc | cairo_: hah. say good bye to X11. |
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| 05:58.32 | jnc | it's broken at the moment. no eta until it's going to work again. |
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| 05:58.47 | cairo_ | jnc: why, im chatting with ksirc, im just trying to get gtk programs to work again |
| 05:59.09 | p00ya | has anyone got sid's Xorg 7 working, just so i know i'm not hacking for a lost cause? |
| 05:59.13 | pbryan | cairo_: any interesting messages when "gtk programs fail?" |
| 05:59.23 | pbryan | p00ya: I'm on Xorg 7. |
| 05:59.25 | jnc | cairo_: the video modules for Xorg ... hmm, oh they would be in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/video |
| 05:59.33 | jnc | see anything there? no, me neither *cough* :) |
| 05:59.41 | cairo_ | the errors are mostly like: The error was 'BadName (named color or font does not exist)'. |
| 05:59.42 | VivekVC | jnc: ok |
| 05:59.42 | Dwonis | GTK+ is overrated. Use Xaw3d instead... ;) |
| 05:59.53 | pbryan | Hmm. Strange. |
| 06:00.08 | pbryan | Can't say I've seen that one. |
| 06:00.13 | Dwonis | oh... rgb.txt? |
| 06:00.26 | jnc | Dwonis: font paths probably changed |
| 06:00.29 | p00ya | jnc: wouldn't they be in /drivers? |
| 06:00.32 | Dwonis | cairo_: Do you have the file /etc/X11/rgb.txt ? |
| 06:00.33 | VivekVC | Dwonis: I do the same at times. Search the list archives. |
| 06:00.41 | dutchfish | hi guys, what does Pre-depends in aptcache show mean? |
| 06:00.41 | Dwonis | ah, or that |
| 06:00.44 | jnc | p00ya: d'oh |
| 06:01.06 | cairo_ | Dwonis: yes, its there |
| 06:01.18 | Dwonis | dutchfish: If foo Pre-Depends: bar, then bar must be fully installed before foo can be installed. |
| 06:01.43 | jnc | Xorg 7.0 introduction to debian marks the occasion where modularization is fully implemented. most paths are changed from the old /usr/X11R6/* |
| 06:01.46 | dutchfish | Dwonis, isnt depends the same then? |
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| 06:02.02 | Dwonis | cairo_: ok, then it's not that... then pay attention to jnc, who said something about font paths |
| 06:02.10 | pbryan | Depends allows packages to be installed together without one having to be fully installed before the other. |
| 06:02.36 | pbryan | Pre-depends says that the dependency must be fully installed before even trying to install the depender. |
| 06:02.39 | Dwonis | dutchfish: not quite. if foo Depends on bar, then foo and bar can be installed at the same time. If foo Pre-Depends on bar, then bar must be fully installed and configured *before* foo is installed. |
| 06:02.53 | kevix | cairo_: I had that error all of last week and an upgrade of sid 3 days ago fixed. |
| 06:03.03 | danf_1979 | How may I know how many packages are installed? |
| 06:03.05 | cairo_ | Dwonis: yes, im aware of the font path change,ive editted my xorg.conf accordingly |
| 06:03.07 | Dwonis | dutchfish: Pre-Depends usually means that the installation process depends on the pre-depended package |
| 06:03.09 | dutchfish | Dwonis, aha, thx very much |
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| 06:03.37 | jnc | I have no idea what I am talking about. The company is nice to talk to, and I presume there was free food at some point before I got here. Who ate the last imaginary blueberry muffin, hrmmm? |
| 06:03.38 | cairo_ | kevix: and which one? as im using xorg from sid |
| 06:03.53 | Dwonis | cairo_: I haven't actually done the upgrade, I was just guessing because rgb.txt went missing for some people in the xfree86->xorg transition |
| 06:03.58 | pbryan | danf_1979: dpkg -l | wc -l (then subtract 5) |
| 06:04.09 | pbryan | danf_1979: there might be a better way. |
| 06:04.09 | danf_1979 | Ok thanks |
| 06:04.31 | kevix | cairo_: It may have been libglibc or libc6 upgrade, not sure |
| 06:04.51 | Dwonis | danf_1979: dpkg -l | grep '^.i' | wc -l |
| 06:05.24 | dutchfish | Downis, i am asking this because i am using mysql5 (form downgraded sourece list) and it got broken. i.e. it wont let me update anymore at the moment. |
| 06:05.37 | danf_1979 | Yup ok, thanks. I'll write that up |
| 06:05.41 | pbryan | Dwonis: not dpkg -l | grep ^i | wc -l? |
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| 06:05.59 | jnc | Dwonis: no screen + irssi? ;) |
| 06:06.00 | Dwonis | pbryan: ^i gives "Desired" |
| 06:06.21 | pbryan | Thanks. My bad. |
| 06:06.45 | Dwonis | jnc: I used irssi at some point, but I like the way xchat handles windows. (Arguably, I didn't use irssi long enough) |
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| 06:07.23 | Dwonis | dutchfish: I suggest you install aptitude or synaptic, and poke around there in order to make the dependencies work. |
| 06:07.28 | jnc | ah |
| 06:07.32 | kevix | danf_1979: I like: dpkg --get-selections|grep -v deinstall|grep install|wc |
| 06:07.44 | dutchfish | Dwonis, i mean mysql5 form backports.org. apt-cache show eggdrop | grep Depends are hold back. Why? |
| 06:07.45 | jnc | ew aptitude. avoid, danger, danger |
| 06:08.07 | Dwonis | kevix: that will catch packages like installation-report |
| 06:08.12 | cairo_ | ill do some testing |
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| 06:08.36 | dutchfish | Dwonis, oops |
| 06:08.37 | Dwonis | kevix: debian-installer, installwatch, systeminstaller, scsh-install-lib |
| 06:08.51 | kevix | Dwonis: what was the question? |
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| 06:09.04 | dutchfish | Dwonis, should read mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server-5.0 are hold back. Why? |
| 06:09.06 | Dwonis | kevix: <kevix> danf_1979: I like: dpkg --get-selections|grep -v deinstall|grep install|wc |
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| 06:09.37 | kevix | Dwonis: what about those pacakages? |
| 06:09.51 | Dwonis | kevix: they might not actually be installed, but your command will catch them |
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| 06:10.40 | kevix | Dwonis: are you saying that they will show up as 'install' when they aren not? |
| 06:11.39 | startingx | I could not move my mouse in xwindows. is there a way i can determine the correct port to use or if current configuration would work? |
| 06:11.42 | Dwonis | kevix: I'm saying that it could say "djbdns-installer purge", and it would still be counted |
| 06:11.50 | jnc | startingx: :) |
| 06:12.07 | Dwonis | dutchfish: What does eggdrop have to do with mysql5? |
| 06:12.15 | jnc | startingx: is your linux kernel version from the 2.6.x or 2.4.x series? |
| 06:12.37 | startingx | 2.4 |
| 06:12.42 | startingx | jnc: 2.4 |
| 06:12.55 | kevix | Dwonis: but I 'grep install' which will only show packages that are status 'install' |
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| 06:13.12 | Dwonis | kevix: no... djbdns-installer contains the word "install" |
| 06:13.16 | jnc | startingx: take a look around your filesystem, see if there is a '/dev/input/mice' device |
| 06:13.33 | jnc | if not, make sure that 'psmouse' linux kernel module is loaded |
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| 06:13.38 | kevix | Dwonis: ok. |
| 06:13.51 | dutchfish | Dwonis, eggdrop: faulty paste of me. Sorry |
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| 06:14.06 | jnc | startingx: some versions of Debian installs would result in no mouse support linux kernel driver module being loaded |
| 06:14.27 | korst3n | Hi, i did apt-get install gcc but it still cant compile thingies, wot could be wrong? |
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| 06:14.39 | jnc | the fix was easy, just figure out what that module name was and append it to the /etc/modules file list of modules to load at boot |
| 06:14.40 | startingx | jnc: yet there is a mice in /dev/input |
| 06:14.42 | korst3n | shows error on compiler default output name |
| 06:14.46 | kevix | Dwonis: ok. this will fix it: dpkg --get-selections|grep -v deinstall|grep "install$"|wc |
| 06:14.49 | danf_1979 | Why sarge doesn't come with 2.6 kernel default? |
| 06:14.54 | dutchfish | Dwonis, i am ust having problems updating mysql5 form backports.org |
| 06:14.58 | wmhtet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.02 | startingx | jnc: yes there is a mice in /dev/input |
| 06:15.09 | jnc | startingx: okay |
| 06:15.19 | kevix | korst3n: apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:15.24 | Dwonis | kevix: yes, unless there is a package with the word "deinstall" in its name :) |
| 06:15.34 | jnc | startingx: /dev/input/mice is a virtual mouse device, made from the vector of all mice input devices |
| 06:15.34 | korst3n | kevix, thanks im trying |
| 06:15.54 | jnc | startingx: it will always be seen by X11 as working, even when there are no actual mouse input devices feeding it |
| 06:16.15 | jnc | thus if you specify /dev/input/mice to X11 via the X11 config file, X11 will use that device |
| 06:16.39 | danf_1979 | is exim better than postfix? |
| 06:16.43 | jnc | and if nothing is feeding that virtual device driver a vector, no mouse movement even though X11 does not complain of no device |
| 06:16.49 | kevix | Dwonis: ok. I was a hack x-) I will write a complete GTK GUI for it soon..... |
| 06:16.55 | Dwonis | dutchfish: I don't know about your specific problem, and I'm not using backports.org at the moment. It's possible that the dependencies are simply broken. Or, you can try resolving them using aptitude or synaptic :) |
| 06:17.10 | Dwonis | kevix: better write a Qt GUI as well, since apparently GTK is broken for some people ;) |
| 06:17.12 | jnc | next is make sure your mouse has kernel module support loaded, and is feeding the /dev/input/mice driver |
| 06:17.25 | startingx | jnc: ok... |
| 06:17.28 | jnc | startingx: PS/2 type mouse, yeah? |
| 06:17.36 | startingx | jnc: yes a ps/2 mouse |
| 06:17.45 | startingx | jnc: how do i check that it is feeding the /dev/input/mice ?? |
| 06:18.04 | startingx | jnc: googled and found the cat /dev/input/mice stuff but doesn't explain how to use it |
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| 06:18.17 | kevix | Dwonis: goto the wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 06:18.19 | jnc | startingx: you could sort of hackishly .. um... 'cat /dev/input/mice | hexdump' and move the mouse around a lot |
| 06:18.44 | startingx | jnc: oh... ok lemme try.. the console is infront on me hehe |
| 06:19.03 | jnc | every now and then enough info should accumulate into the standard input of hexdump command, and hexdump will display junk in a non harmful way |
| 06:19.32 | jnc | this is much preferred over outputting machine data to your console (which could potentially do bad things) |
| 06:19.33 | Dwonis | pfft. keyboard usage in X is overrated anyway |
| 06:19.34 | jpeg | what's the bot's name here? |
| 06:19.42 | jnc | jpeg: isomethingorother |
| 06:19.42 | Dwonis | who needs xkb? |
| 06:19.43 | jnc | no |
| 06:19.44 | jnc | apt |
| 06:19.48 | startingx | jnc: cat /dev/input/mice |
| 06:19.54 | startingx | jnc: cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device |
| 06:19.56 | jnc | startingx: yeah that would be bad, IMO |
| 06:19.56 | startingx | jnc: eh? |
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| 06:20.04 | jnc | ohh |
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| 06:20.21 | jnc | shoot. hey gang, was /dev/input/mice available in 2.4.x? |
| 06:20.25 | dutchfish | Dwonis, thx so far, i already tried that. It simply states that those packages where hold back during upgrade and i cant figure out why. The installed mysql5 server is still working. |
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| 06:20.50 | kevix | startingx: how about cat /dev/psaux |
| 06:20.51 | jnc | 2.4.x is so old, i don't even know anymore |
| 06:20.56 | rredd4 | jnc the netgear wg511 v2 wireless card is marvel chipset |
| 06:21.06 | startingx | kevix: trying that now |
| 06:21.10 | jnc | rredd4: cool. :) |
| 06:21.26 | Zugschlus | danf_1979: no |
| 06:21.29 | Dwonis | jnc: yeah, I think /dev/input/mice support for non-USB devices might be >= 2.6, though I'm not sure |
| 06:21.29 | wmhtet | I have problem starting Xafter upgrade , after working on it 5-6 hours I found out that there is no font server running, so I try to install xfs and xfs installation needs to a whole bunch of packages including gnome kde and X windows, what should I do? where did I do wrong? |
| 06:21.32 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an mta war |
| 06:21.32 | dpkg | postfix has shitty documentation |
| 06:21.46 | startingx | kevix: ok so I run it and I get a simple prompt that I can type things in. |
| 06:21.47 | jnc | rredd4: that'd be the thing to ask now, is find someone who knows about using marvel chipset wifi device with debian. personally i know of using prism, and atheros chipsets |
| 06:21.50 | Dwonis | startingx: you could also try "modprobe psmouse", but that might be 2.6-only |
| 06:21.53 | startingx | kevix: moved my mouse a lot and nothing appear?? |
| 06:22.03 | Azar | this is the right description, I could not have said it better: soft-hearted pandering to a demographic that was never meant to use Linux in the first place, 'Debian for the Lazy' |
| 06:22.14 | rredd4 | jnc ok |
| 06:22.19 | startingx | modprobe: Can't locate module psmouse |
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| 06:22.28 | startingx | oh is that the source of the problem? |
| 06:22.35 | rredd4 | marvel chipset wifi help please for sarge |
| 06:22.54 | rredd4 | web site to get it set up? |
| 06:23.04 | Dwonis | I don't know about postfix's documentation, but the fact that the pipe transport refuses to run stuff as root makes postfix *itself* quite shitty |
| 06:23.08 | jnc | startingx: don't cat device files to stdout..... i wouldn't anyways. there's probably a better way than using hexdump, but try to use something as a filter so you don't mess up the terminal. |
| 06:23.10 | dutchfish | Dwonis, gotcha: libmysqlclient15off is conflicting with libmysqlclient15 |
| 06:23.27 | kevix | startingx: kernel modules allow you to use your hardware, if you dont have the module loaded, nothing works. |
| 06:23.28 | Dwonis | and the fact that configuration is site-wide instead of per-domain |
| 06:23.49 | cahoot | Azar: you believe linux was/is meant for an elite of some sort? |
| 06:24.02 | startingx | oh ok gees will go trying to load that module now |
| 06:24.03 | Dwonis | dutchfish: that would do it |
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| 06:24.14 | p00ya | wmhtet: package "xfs" shouldn't require htose things. it's likely that other packages you've marked to install require them |
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| 06:24.20 | CAiRO | re, in case somebody wants to know, i could solve me gtk problems with x11r7 by commenting out all calls to xset from my xsession script |
| 06:24.34 | CAiRO | now they do work again all of a sudden |
| 06:24.39 | sn00p | i'm trying to get X running and every time I configure it and it says there is no /dev/input/mice whats wrong? |
| 06:24.50 | jnc | heh heh |
| 06:24.53 | Azar | cahoot: no, but I dislike the "windowisation" of it |
| 06:24.55 | jnc | deja vouez |
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| 06:25.09 | Dwonis | CAiRO, what kind of stuff were you xsetting? |
| 06:25.18 | jnc | sn00p: startingx is also going through that |
| 06:25.23 | danf_1979 | With what program can I select a keyboard layout? with base-config I can't |
| 06:25.24 | wmhtet | p00ya: yeh, that's the way it should be but however somehow it is asking me to remove all these packages when I try to install xfa |
| 06:25.31 | cahoot | Azar: your quote indicates so |
| 06:25.32 | startingx | oh lol |
| 06:25.44 | startingx | sno00p: try "modprobe psmouse" |
| 06:25.45 | Dwonis | Azar: apt-get remove xlibs |
| 06:25.46 | sn00p | jnc: it doesn't exist /dev/input/mice |
| 06:25.46 | Azar | cahoot: sorry that was pointed at ubuntu |
| 06:25.57 | CAiRO | Dwonis: actually its just one long line generated with gxset, i can paste it in a query if you want |
| 06:26.05 | cahoot | Azar: nm |
| 06:26.06 | jnc | i know this isn't a really great answer?... but um, what do you two think about installing a 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 06:26.16 | p00ya | hurrah, startx works finally |
| 06:26.22 | Dwonis | CAiRO: I'm interested in seeing it |
| 06:26.29 | tralala | sn00p: modprobe mousedev |
| 06:26.31 | jnc | p00ya: new updates? |
| 06:26.54 | jnc | ohhh mousedev |
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| 06:27.03 | kevix | danf_1979: IIRC dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:27.03 | jnc | tralala for teh win! |
| 06:27.05 | startingx | oh |
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| 06:27.11 | startingx | mousedev turns up on my machine |
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| 06:27.17 | startingx | what now? |
| 06:27.17 | danf_1979 | kevix, I have no xorg |
| 06:27.21 | Dwonis | CAiRO: ah, that would do it... the stuff after "fp=" sets the font path |
| 06:27.23 | danf_1979 | no X |
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| 06:27.40 | jnc | startingx: try it out. if it works, add 'mousedev' on a line at the end of /etc/modules |
| 06:27.41 | p00ya | jnc: just had to do some symlinking to make things happy |
| 06:27.49 | startingx | jnc: working on that... |
| 06:27.50 | jnc | p00ya: from where to where, might i ask? |
| 06:27.51 | kevix | danf_1979: IIRC dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:27.57 | danf_1979 | Hey, I installed debian sarge from minimal CD and I have over 400 packages installed???? |
| 06:27.59 | Azar | danf_1979: you do not have the xserver? |
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| 06:28.09 | p00ya | oh, and edit the startx script |
| 06:28.16 | jnc | danf_1979: sounds about right |
| 06:28.22 | jnc | danf_1979: what's the question? |
| 06:28.30 | Dwonis | kevix, danf_1979: for xorg, that would be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:28.31 | danf_1979 | why?? whasn't supposed that a debian server installation should have like 160 packages only? |
| 06:28.45 | CAiRO | Dwonis: yes, now that i'm looking at the file it seems clear to me, my pitty it was in a separate shell file (generated by gxset) and that i didn't notice it earlier |
| 06:28.57 | valdyn | danf_1979: nah |
| 06:29.00 | Azar | danf_1979: depends what you picked at installation: gnome? kde? |
| 06:29.02 | jnc | danf_1979: i think that was old-school debian install |
| 06:29.07 | dutchfish | Dwonis, it worked after i replaced it for the first mysql-server is up and running again (and upgraded) |
| 06:29.08 | danf_1979 | I picked none |
| 06:29.10 | danf_1979 | nothing |
| 06:29.16 | jnc | where you had to reboot before doing the base-setup |
| 06:29.21 | valdyn | danf_1979: 400 packages is not much at all for debian |
| 06:29.24 | Azar | danf_1979: sarge is like 3 times bigger than old woody base |
| 06:29.33 | Dwonis | dutchfish: great! |
| 06:29.35 | jnc | lately you don't have to reboot before running base-setup and dragging in more packages |
| 06:29.47 | danf_1979 | I have no X, no webservers, no nothing |
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| 06:29.54 | danf_1979 | Just debian minimum on qemu |
| 06:30.01 | dutchfish | Downis, is there any command that show broken dependecies more clearly? |
| 06:30.09 | dutchfish | Dwonis, is there any command that show broken dependecies more clearly? |
| 06:30.12 | Azar | danf_1979: you could install xserver if you want |
| 06:30.28 | Dwonis | dutchfish: possibly, though I don't know what it is |
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| 06:30.32 | kevix | danf_1979: IIRC the smallest install is currently about 250mb, you have a little more. |
| 06:30.37 | Dwonis | dutchfish: I usually hit 'b' in aptitude |
| 06:30.57 | dutchfish | Dwonis, yes, that worked for me too |
| 06:31.08 | danf_1979 | I have installed 388MB |
| 06:31.33 | Dwonis | danf_1979: you could try unstalling libc6 and perl ;) |
| 06:31.49 | Azar | danf_1979: small HD space? |
| 06:31.51 | danf_1979 | But I should have the minimum, because I chosed to install nothing but base system |
| 06:32.07 | Azar | danf_1979: what kernel version? |
| 06:32.09 | danf_1979 | Azar, just testing |
| 06:32.09 | Dwonis | danf_1979: you can actually get smaller than the base system, once you install |
| 06:32.18 | danf_1979 | 2.4 |
| 06:32.19 | wmhtet | hmm.... I just checked one of my working debian and saw that it does not have xfs installed but I have been using this one fine |
| 06:32.20 | jnc | apt-cache clean |
| 06:32.24 | Dwonis | danf_1979: IIRC, the base system contains things like pcmcia-cs, which you obviously don't need if you don't have pcmcia |
| 06:32.41 | danf_1979 | I'll be using this in a dedicated server |
| 06:32.50 | Dwonis | wow... ircops recommending tor... much different than DALnet |
| 06:33.06 | danf_1979 | I was going to use ubuntu, but now I'm thinking in sarge |
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| 06:33.08 | jnc | last i heard, dalnet was for miscreants |
| 06:33.20 | Dwonis | jnc: probably |
| 06:33.22 | Dwonis | !dalnet |
| 06:33.22 | dpkg | from memory, dalnet is only mildly stupid. EFnet is the most stupid IRC network |
| 06:33.30 | jnc | heh |
| 06:33.39 | Dwonis | !efnet |
| 06:33.39 | dpkg | well, efnet is the Eris Free Network - IRC With Script Kiddies. Servers: (US) irc.core.com irc.mcs.net irc.concentric.net irc.prison.net irc.lagged.org (EU) irc.ins.net.uk irc.homelien.no irc.isdnet.fr efnet.demon.co.uk, or efnet.vuurwerk.nl, or a piece of split, pardon the pun, see SFILOE, or http://efnet.net/serverlist.html or efnet is a joke. --lazarus |
| 06:33.45 | kevix | danf_1979: unless this is a slow machine with a small HD, this shouldn't be a problem. And you can always remove stuff. deborphan and debfoster can help with that(use carefully) |
| 06:33.58 | jnc | efnet, a woman told me, is where the wang is. whatever that means. |
| 06:34.34 | kevix | jnc: lets wang-chung tonight! |
| 06:35.01 | jnc | efnetrybody join #funtonight |
| 06:35.08 | jnc | (no don't really) |
| 06:35.52 | jnc | hmmm mmm mm mm. random doors in my house creeking in the breeze |
| 06:36.05 | jnc | Dwonis for the loss :( |
| 06:36.32 | Azar | danf_1979: from the release manual: For a minimal console-based system (all standard packages), 250MB is required. If you want to install a reasonable amount of software, including the X Window System, and some development programs and libraries, you'll need at least 400MB. For a more or less complete desktop system, you'll need a few gigabytes. |
| 06:36.41 | jnc | it would only work until the first person stayed home on IRC instead of going out |
| 06:36.44 | Dwonis | kevix: also, "apt-get clean" will clean out downloaded packages |
| 06:37.08 | kevix | Dwonis: I prefer aptitude autoclean |
| 06:37.20 | Azar | danf_1979: my complete installation as desktop with X is about 2GB |
| 06:37.37 | Dwonis | right, but that only gets rid of outdated packages, rather than everything, right? |
| 06:37.38 | jnc | everything installed is 5gb, maybe more |
| 06:37.56 | kevix | Dwonis: yea. I like to have backup. x-) |
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| 06:38.02 | danf_1979 | Uhm, something whent wrong then, because I have almost 400MB and more less 450 packages |
| 06:38.03 | Dwonis | I'd like to see somebody figure out how to install _everything_, and how broken the result would be... |
| 06:38.13 | Azar | jnc: I do not use *dm |
| 06:38.27 | Dwonis | (i.e. --force-depends) |
| 06:38.31 | jnc | Azar: er? |
| 06:38.46 | Dwonis | Azar: nobody uses ?dm |
| 06:38.59 | korst3n | kevix, i installed build-essential but it show me errors on compiling a program (says var blabla not found, first use in this func) |
| 06:39.00 | jnc | what the heck is ?dm |
| 06:39.07 | Azar | jnc: sorry I thought you were replying to me up: everything installed is 5gb, maybe more |
| 06:39.10 | korst3n | but i can compile it in other places |
| 06:39.21 | valdyn | jnc: more like 15G |
| 06:39.26 | Azar | jnc: gnome or kde: gdm, kdm |
| 06:39.26 | jnc | valdyn: ohh |
| 06:39.39 | Dwonis | Azar: well, I used to use gdm (which is purty, by the way), but it's usually better to write a shell script wrapper around startx that grabs the next available display number, and teach the other people in the house to use that |
| 06:39.45 | jnc | i use gdm... not sure why that's being asked |
| 06:39.49 | valdyn | jnc: the complete archive is ~10GB |
| 06:39.49 | kevix | korst3n: its usually a missing *-dev packages that is missing. |
| 06:40.03 | Dwonis | valdyn: it's bigger than that |
| 06:40.07 | d03boy | wow, sorry I was afk |
| 06:40.17 | valdyn | Dwonis: what is? |
| 06:40.27 | Dwonis | valdyn: all of Debian |
| 06:40.27 | Azar | Dwonis: I did not use them because I feel is filling my space with stuff I really do not care to use. I like it light and simple |
| 06:40.29 | jnc | valdyn: is it possible to install every package? |
| 06:40.32 | korst3n | kevix, wot should i do then? sorry im debian n00b its first time im using debian |
| 06:40.32 | d03boy | jnc, cardctl basically makes it sound like there arent any cards |
| 06:40.38 | valdyn | Dwonis: nah it still fits on 2 dvds |
| 06:40.38 | danf_1979 | Uhm, I need to change my keyboard to spanish |
| 06:40.39 | jnc | d03boy: oh hmm |
| 06:40.47 | valdyn | Dwonis: per architecture naturally |
| 06:40.49 | jnc | d03boy: cardctl status' |
| 06:40.54 | danf_1979 | How do I do that? I thought base-config would let me, but no |
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| 06:40.58 | d03boy | Socket 0: no card |
| 06:41.01 | kevix | korst3n: what is the name of the software? |
| 06:41.09 | korst3n | danf_1979, if ur using KDE u can do it via gui otherwise u need to edit xorg config file |
| 06:41.09 | Dwonis | valdyn: I have a partial Debian mirror (i386 and source) but it ran out of space on my 57G disk |
| 06:41.12 | Azar | danf_1979: I guess that would be locales configuration if I am not mistaken |
| 06:41.24 | Dwonis | valdyn: but I guess that's sarge, etch, *and* sid |
| 06:41.25 | korst3n | kevix, its aquila, DC++ hub software (Server) |
| 06:41.30 | d03boy | jnc, Socket 0: no card |
| 06:41.35 | jnc | d03boy: only one socket? |
| 06:41.37 | valdyn | Dwonis: yea, and sources that i didnt include |
| 06:41.46 | Azar | danf_1979: if you see "xorg" think of "xfree86" which you are using |
| 06:41.55 | d03boy | jnc, ya... this used to work fine. All I did was a dist-upgrade =\ |
| 06:41.59 | danf_1979 | I did install es_CL.utf8 locale and make it default, but nope, didn't work |
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| 06:42.06 | danf_1979 | No, I dont have X installed |
| 06:42.12 | kevix | korst3n: what is missing from the error message? |
| 06:42.12 | danf_1979 | only console system |
| 06:42.28 | korst3n | nmdc_utils.c:483: error: 'Z_FINISH' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 06:42.34 | jnc | d03boy: not sure how to help you w/ the cardbus stuff. that's where you'd want to start though |
| 06:42.38 | Dwonis | danf_1979: locales have nothing to do with your keyboard |
| 06:42.40 | korst3n | kevix, loads of erros like that |
| 06:42.46 | d03boy | jnc, bah... ok then =( |
| 06:42.54 | Dwonis | korst3n: Z_FINISH is a libz symbol, IIRC |
| 06:42.55 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 06:42.55 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 06:43.03 | danf_1979 | Is there a config app for that Dwonis ? |
| 06:43.12 | jnc | no sense going for the wifi driver if it doesn't show up on a more general scenario |
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| 06:43.16 | Dwonis | danf_1979: I dunno. see what dpkg just said |
| 06:43.34 | jnc | d03boy: now, it is possible that the card will NOT show up until firmware is loaded |
| 06:43.35 | d03boy | jnc, according to lspci I already have bcm4309 in there |
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| 06:43.45 | jnc | hmm |
| 06:43.48 | danf_1979 | Oh, I didn't missed that |
| 06:43.48 | korst3n | Dwonis, damnit, aquila require zlib to run, thanks i think thats why it gave me error |
| 06:43.49 | danf_1979 | thanks |
| 06:43.53 | danf_1979 | I missed that |
| 06:43.55 | danf_1979 | * |
| 06:43.59 | d03boy | jnc, firmware? |
| 06:44.02 | jnc | d03boy: i don't know. |
| 06:44.29 | d03boy | can I make this thing search for my card or something? this is so werid |
| 06:44.37 | jnc | i can be bribed with sample hardware |
| 06:44.48 | Dwonis | jnc: heh |
| 06:45.09 | d03boy | well the thing is... i havent changd any hardware or anything. All I did was a dist-upgrade and my wifi stopped working. |
| 06:45.18 | jnc | toasters from woot do not count. pretty and shiny they may be. |
| 06:45.28 | Dwonis | I love how many people say "all I did was a dist-upgrade"... |
| 06:45.32 | jnc | i will not add usb support to woot toasters. |
| 06:46.21 | jnc | Dwonis: i love that people can still say "all I did was a dist-upgrade"... after having done dist-upgrade. debian libc upgrades have managed a huge improvement over the years |
| 06:46.24 | d03boy | Dwonis, well they invented dist-upgrade for a reason i'm assuming.. and thats so I can use it |
| 06:46.50 | Dwonis | d03boy: of course, and I use it as well, but not unless I have an afternoon to kill in case something goes wrong :) |
| 06:46.50 | valdyn | d03boy: just like rm -rf /, its there, use it |
| 06:47.02 | Dwonis | NO DON'T |
| 06:47.11 | kevix | !info opendclub |
| 06:47.11 | jnc | d03boy: the manuals and release notes were made for a reason you should feel equally obligated to use |
| 06:47.22 | valdyn | !sarcasm |
| 06:47.23 | dpkg | methinks sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
| 06:47.27 | danf_1979 | Thank you valdyn, that was exactly what I was looking for |
| 06:47.32 | d03boy | jnc, there's just so much info that I dont know where to start |
| 06:47.32 | kevix | !info opendclub |
| 06:47.38 | Dwonis | valdyn: *I* understand you were being sarcastic |
| 06:47.39 | jnc | d03boy: that's entirely natural |
| 06:47.45 | danf_1979 | Is there a Debian configuration manual? |
| 06:47.50 | valdyn | Dwonis: aye |
| 06:47.55 | liable | !reference |
| 06:47.56 | dpkg | somebody said reference was The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 06:48.10 | danf_1979 | Ok thanks |
| 06:48.14 | kevix | !info opendchub |
| 06:48.16 | jnc | d03boy: there's no magical answer for you on that. the feeling of being overwhelmed is natural, what more i could say about that, i'm not sure. |
| 06:48.19 | dpkg | opendchub: (hub clone for DC (Direct Connect P2P network)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.14-2 (sid), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 06:48.44 | kevix | korst3n: ^ ^^^^ |
| 06:48.45 | Azar | danf_1979: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 06:49.06 | Azar | oh |
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| 06:49.13 | korst3n | kevix, thanks im already using it but somehow it crash here, now im installing zlibc dev headers i think it should fix it, many thanks to kevix and dwonis |
| 06:49.25 | kevix | danf_1979: also, every packages has docs in /usr/share/doc/PKGNAME |
| 06:49.43 | Azar | danf_1979: new at Debian? |
| 06:49.52 | jnc | d03boy: understanding how a computer runs a bootloader, how the bootloader runs linux kernel, how kernel runs init, how init evaluates init scripts, how those scripts kick off a series of other crap |
| 06:49.54 | kevix | korst3n: are you running unstable? |
| 06:50.04 | jnc | all very important if you want some resolve on "why isn't this !#@@$ card working!?" |
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| 06:50.23 | jnc | i tend to ask that "why isn't..." question a few times every month |
| 06:50.26 | dutchfish | what about debian-reference-nl? |
| 06:50.33 | jonas23 | is anyone using SID + xorg 7 and having trouble setting mouse cursors? |
| 06:50.37 | d03boy | jnc, i know some of that |
| 06:50.49 | kevix | dutchfish: the debian referense is available is many languages. |
| 06:50.54 | valdyn | jonas23: read the topic and the bts |
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| 06:51.12 | Azar | dutchfish: only what you see here: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
| 06:51.34 | korst3n | kevix, yes its unstable |
| 06:51.42 | Dwonis | Debian _has_ come a long way in terms of working with hardware out-of-the-box. I remember when I had to read a big HOWTO about X Modelines just to get my monitor working (and my monitor didn't support EDID anyway). |
| 06:51.49 | jnc | jonas23: see topic for the wiki, has some info FYI |
| 06:52.11 | Azar | Dwonis: the 2.6 kernels fixed that |
| 06:52.13 | startingx | still can't get my mouse moving |
| 06:52.14 | dutchfish | kevix, yes i know, but thx :) |
| 06:52.17 | jonas23 | i'm reading the wiki right now |
| 06:52.21 | startingx | added mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 06:52.24 | kevix | korst3n: if you are running a server, do not run unstable. at this moment unstable is having many problems. Your is probably related to this. Stable/sarge will not have these issues. |
| 06:52.24 | jnc | Dwonis: did you monitor esplode? |
| 06:52.26 | Dwonis | Azar: I think it was XFree86 4 that fixed it, actually |
| 06:52.33 | jonas23 | I was just wondering if this problem was more than just me... |
| 06:52.37 | jonas23 | if it is maybe it should go up there too |
| 06:52.56 | valdyn | X still does its best to not use kernel features ) |
| 06:52.58 | jnc | ah, the 3.6 -> 4 transition |
| 06:52.59 | Dwonis | jnc: no, it worked fine... but I couldn't get 16-bit mode working at 1024x768 (even though it worked in Windows) because apparently I didn't have enough video RAM. |
| 06:53.00 | jnc | memories. |
| 06:53.06 | Dwonis | I mean, at 800x600 |
| 06:53.10 | Azar | startingx: try different settings in x configuration: psaux, ps2... pay attention to the options like mouse wheel, virtual 3 buttons... |
| 06:53.20 | Dwonis | or, no, I guess it just wasn't supported for that card... my memory is fuzzy |
| 06:53.26 | jnc | RAM! ah. ah, hah, hah. |
| 06:53.29 | Azar | Dwonis: I thought drivers were tested and released with linux versions |
| 06:53.44 | jnc | 800x600 was such a big deal, then |
| 06:53.56 | jnc | like, wow, 16-bit colour at 800x600, holy crap |
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| 06:54.17 | jnc | look at these extra memory chips on the card it must sure be fast ;) |
| 06:54.24 | jnc | a whole 4mb |
| 06:54.25 | Dwonis | Azar: They are, mostly, but not for everything. X is pretty much a glorified video driver. |
| 06:54.43 | jnc | Dwonis: X reimplements a lot of things that Linux does already |
| 06:54.48 | Azar | Dwonis: ah you talking about X configurations, I thought you were refering at device drivers |
| 06:54.52 | Dwonis | Azar: USB scanners are similar. There is basic communications support in the kernel, but SANE ultimately does the bulk of the work |
| 06:55.17 | kevix | linux is a kernel, it uses modules, X windows is a server |
| 06:55.17 | jnc | keyboard driver, input devices, graphics driver, memory sharing... |
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| 06:55.30 | Dwonis | Azar: no, device drivers. Ever wondered why X runs as root and opens /dev/mem? |
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| 06:55.48 | Azar | yea, I remember struggles 3 years ago in woody with a 2.4.18 kernel and a shaky nvidia driver configuration |
| 06:55.48 | tuv | what is the easiest way to report a bug on a debian package |
| 06:55.50 | tuv | ? |
| 06:55.58 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me with this http://rafb.net/paste/results/hlYxN677.html |
| 06:56.03 | kevix | tuv: use the 'reportbug' package |
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| 06:56.26 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: no luck yesterday, eh? |
| 06:56.31 | EruditeHermit | Dwonis: nope |
| 06:56.39 | EruditeHermit | Dwonis: its too puzzling |
| 06:57.08 | kevix | tuv: the bug tracking system entries also may have fixes for a bug. so check bugs.debian.org/PKGNAME first. |
| 06:57.49 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: do you get that error while running anything else? |
| 06:57.57 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: you need to fix taht file, probably with a knoppix like live cd and by grabbing it from the debian libc6 archive |
| 06:58.19 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: debian packages can be 'extracted' with the 'ar' archiver |
| 06:58.45 | Dwonis | valdyn: also, with dpkg-deb |
| 06:58.52 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit, valdyn: also, with dpkg-deb |
| 06:59.02 | valdyn | sure if his livecd has that |
| 06:59.17 | Dwonis | valdyn: Knoppix will |
| 06:59.24 | EruditeHermit | hmm |
| 06:59.40 | EruditeHermit | do you think if I just extract and copy that file over, it will work? |
| 06:59.44 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: your system wont be functional at all w/o that libdl.so.2 |
| 07:00.08 | Dwonis | valdyn: it's probably not libdl.so.2 that's missing. I think it's libdl.so.2 complaining that somethine *else* is missing |
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| 07:00.15 | Dwonis | though I could be wrong |
| 07:00.46 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: if Dwonis was right you would only need to run 'ldconfig' |
| 07:01.00 | Dwonis | hmm... ldconfig... I forgot about that |
| 07:01.01 | korst3n | i asked many questions but i still cant compile it, now it say error: 'cache_t' has no member named 'nicklistzline', i installed zlib1g-dev, zlib1g, zlibc |
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| 07:01.09 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: if he is not you also need after copying that file over chroot to your debian installation and run ldconfig |
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| 07:01.30 | Dwonis | valdyn: I don't think dpkg would even *run* if libdl.so.2 were missing |
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| 07:02.13 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: do you get that error if you just run "bash" ? |
| 07:02.14 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: I ran ldconfig but that didn't work |
| 07:02.20 | EruditeHermit | Dwonis: no |
| 07:02.26 | EruditeHermit | Dwonis: that is only when upgrading |
| 07:02.39 | Dwonis | wtf... |
| 07:02.40 | EruditeHermit | Dwonis: it happens with 2.3.6-6 and 2.3.6-7 |
| 07:02.52 | EruditeHermit | anything prior to that installs fine |
| 07:03.00 | EruditeHermit | I can even downgrade from the 1/2 installed state |
| 07:03.07 | danf_1979 | Azar, yes, first time on debian, but have been using ubuntu |
| 07:03.10 | danf_1979 | gentoo also |
| 07:03.15 | valdyn | Dwonis: i dont know what is statically linked in that process and what is not |
| 07:03.25 | danf_1979 | I'm going to reinstall |
| 07:03.43 | valdyn | Dwonis: well appearantly dpkg is not |
| 07:03.45 | kevix | korst3n: did you read the installation notes? they should tell you what library it needs. |
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| 07:04.16 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: try this: "dpkg-deb -x /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6-7_i386.deb /" |
| 07:04.38 | valdyn | Dwonis: and ldconfig after that |
| 07:04.43 | korst3n | kevix, yes, they say You will need zlib if you wish to use ZLine , but after that error i even tried ./compile --disable-zline and its same |
| 07:04.53 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: yes, and "ldconfig" after that |
| 07:05.01 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 07:05.03 | EruditeHermit | will do |
| 07:05.04 | EruditeHermit | one sec |
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| 07:05.46 | valdyn | Dwonis: my dpkg does not link against that file, but im on amd64, try on your system |
| 07:05.54 | bintut | I would like to make use of my old Sun JavaStation JK (Krups) thin clients to boot via LTSP-4.2 on a Debian GNU/Linux AMD64 server. Due to the fact that I don't have a Sun Sparc machine to compile and build a binary LTSP-4.2 packages for my Sun JavaStation JKs, I am seeking help for whoever can help me build LTSP-4.2 binary packages for my thin clients. You can find relevant informations at the following URLs: |
| 07:05.54 | Azar | danf_1979: I am sure you might know how to use apt but for new Debian users apt and aptitude correct use is a first step |
| 07:05.55 | bintut | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LBE ; http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/JavaStation-HOWTO/index.html ; http://math.univ-lille1.fr/ltsp-sparc/ ; http://people.redhat.com/zaitcev/linux/ ; http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/6125/linux/javastation.html |
| 07:05.57 | valdyn | Dwonis: he might just be missing the symlink |
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| 07:06.19 | danf_1979 | Yes, I use aptitude |
| 07:06.42 | Dwonis | valdyn: I'm pretty sure it's not ld.so gone missing. I've nuked ld.so before, and basically _nothing_ works, including bash, dpkg, and virtually everything else. |
| 07:06.44 | Azar | danf_1979: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 07:07.02 | Dwonis | valdyn: although I guess libdl.so is not ld.so... |
| 07:07.20 | valdyn | Dwonis: it is |
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| 07:07.42 | Azar | danf_1979: that was because some new Debian users try to download (wget) and install/compile outside of the Debian way... |
| 07:07.43 | Dwonis | valdyn: ld-2.3.5.so is ld.so |
| 07:07.46 | valdyn | Dwonis: ld-2.3.6.so is the file on my system, + a couple symlinks, including libdl.so.2 |
| 07:08.20 | Dwonis | valdyn: hmm. on i386, libdl.so is different from ld-linux.so and ld.so |
| 07:08.39 | valdyn | Dwonis: err uh, nm i got confused |
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| 07:09.03 | Dwonis | valdyn: yeah, the same thing happened to be about 2 minutes ago |
| 07:09.05 | danf_1979 | Yes, but I'm been on ubuntu from hoary. It's pretty much like debian, but prettier :). I just lack the knowledge of some console commands and programs for configuring |
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| 07:09.10 | Dwonis | valdyn: and yesterday |
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| 07:10.47 | Dwonis | danf_1979: yeah, it takes a little time to get used to using console commands, but it's totally worth it next time X gets borked. |
| 07:10.48 | d03boy | ok i am reading dmesg and I found something interesting |
| 07:11.02 | d03boy | pcmcia: Detected deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage. |
| 07:11.13 | valdyn | d03boy: that is not an error |
| 07:11.36 | d03boy | hmm |
| 07:11.38 | Dwonis | d03boy: interesting, yes, but not worrysome unless you're a PCMCIA developer |
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| 07:12.09 | bintut | anyone? |
| 07:12.11 | Azar | danf_1979: another useful howto: http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm |
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| 07:13.23 | Dwonis | bintut: You could possibly build a cross-compiler (build gcc with ./configure --target=...) but I can't say much more than that. |
| 07:13.39 | d03boy | ok.. well.. I need to somehow make debain realize that I have that wifi card there? |
| 07:14.04 | Dwonis | Azar: it mentions dselect...... |
| 07:14.13 | danf_1979 | Yes :). My experiencie have always included X, so I'm too GUI dependant some times. I have a workstation/server in ubuntu. |
| 07:14.14 | valdyn | !pcmcia |
| 07:14.14 | dpkg | pcmcia is, like, (Personal Computer Memory Card International Association) Aside from winning the award for being the longest and most-annoying-to-pronounce technology acronym, PCMCIA is a credit card-sized interface card standard. PCMCIA cards are most commonly found in notebook computers. You'll usually find two slots on newer models. Two small slots can hold two Type I or II cards or one Type III card. Type III cards are usually mini hard drives. ... |
| 07:14.16 | Dwonis | Azar: is dselect still functional, even? |
| 07:14.39 | Dwonis | hmm... it is! |
| 07:14.41 | Azar | Dwonis: I never used it I guess that manual is like 3 years old but general informative |
| 07:14.45 | valdyn | Dwonis: sure, it rocks ) |
| 07:14.52 | Azar | danf_1979: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/index.html#contents |
| 07:15.01 | wmhtet | how can I fix my X server problem? it is giving out the following error "could not open default font 'fixed' " |
| 07:15.12 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 07:15.12 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 07:15.17 | danf_1979 | Yes Azar, I'm reading some parts of that right now |
| 07:15.26 | liable | d03boy: ndiswrapper loads ok? |
| 07:15.34 | Dwonis | Azar: I stopped using dselect some time ago... I think when unstable started to get _really_ unstable some time between slink and potato, or possibly after |
| 07:15.40 | wmhtet | valdyn: thx, does it apply for xorg also? |
| 07:15.49 | Azar | danf_1979: this last one was the one first I studied |
| 07:15.52 | d03boy | liable, I dont know :\ |
| 07:15.55 | valdyn | wmhtet: the xfonts-base package, yea |
| 07:16.21 | Dwonis | Azar: dselect had a tendency to want to install more stuff than I really wanted it to |
| 07:16.22 | liable | d03boy: i have never used it, but i think you can load it so it outputs a bit more verbose info |
| 07:16.26 | d03boy | ndiswrapper -l shows that bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present |
| 07:16.30 | wmhtet | valdyn: thx let me take a look at the issue now and I will report back |
| 07:16.34 | Azar | Dwonis: I preferred to install extras on my own by the needs, never used dselect |
| 07:16.42 | Azar | Dwonis: exactly |
| 07:16.55 | Dwonis | I wonder... does dselect respect /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 07:17.06 | liable | wmhtet: if you have just upgraded to xorg7, you need to reconfigure corg with dpkg |
| 07:17.17 | Azar | Dwonis: I guess it has some of its own defaults.. |
| 07:17.23 | Dwonis | valdyn: does dselect respect /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 07:17.27 | liable | wmhtet: its in xserver-xorg-core bug iirc |
| 07:17.43 | danf_1979 | wmhtet, search for the package xfonts-base |
| 07:17.58 | wmhtet | ok, thx guys |
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| 07:18.22 | valdyn | Dwonis: yea seems so |
| 07:18.59 | valdyn | Dwonis: it is using apt-get |
| 07:19.09 | d03boy | ok... so I guess ndiswrapper loads fine and detects the hardware. But I dont have wlan0 as a device |
| 07:19.10 | Azar | danf_1979: my first 2 years of Debian I was having a real base install: no X, no sound, just pure terminal and I sat there practicing base commands, learning the filesystem, looking at system directories and files. Only last year (the 3rd year of using Debian) I ventured and learned how to install, configure X, video and audio drivers.. |
| 07:20.36 | Azar | and thanks to this channel heplers, I learned that there is a debian-way that has to be followed, before I had "gentoo" friends teaching me download, force and compile kernels outside debian rules |
| 07:20.39 | Dwonis | ugh... ndiswrapper |
| 07:21.28 | d03boy | i dont think ndiswrapper is the problem :\ |
| 07:21.44 | EruditeHermit | Dwonis: su: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:22.01 | EruditeHermit | Dwonis: everything is now fscked up |
| 07:22.12 | EruditeHermit | knoppix time |
| 07:22.37 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: damn, sorry |
| 07:22.41 | JohnGH | Is there anyone else here who uses testing, Firefox & Yahoo! mail - who could check and see if they're also not getting their unread messages highlighted in their inbox? (they usually come up bold) |
| 07:22.48 | Azar | it looks he has a really broken system |
| 07:22.48 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: thought that seems really odd |
| 07:22.48 | EruditeHermit | Dwonis: lol its ok, relatively easy to fix |
| 07:23.23 | danf_1979 | Well, my experiencie have been mainly server administration, but I have done it in my workstation (GUI). I'm a developer (PHP, Python). In Linux, I know mainly server administrarion, DNS, web, FTP, Email |
| 07:23.26 | Dwonis | note to self: when libc6 doesn't want to install, don't recommend that people force it |
| 07:23.28 | danf_1979 | but too GUI dependant |
| 07:23.37 | danf_1979 | that's what I want to change |
| 07:23.45 | startingx | probably dumb question but.. how do u delete a file in vc?? |
| 07:23.55 | Dwonis | startingx: vc? |
| 07:23.57 | danf_1979 | because I'm going to start a webhosting on a couple of months |
| 07:24.00 | d03boy | vc? |
| 07:24.03 | startingx | i mean in the console |
| 07:24.10 | d03boy | rm |
| 07:24.15 | Dwonis | startingx: rm /path/to/the/file/you/want/to/delete |
| 07:24.19 | startingx | ok thanks |
| 07:24.39 | Dwonis | I never thought I'd see someone ask that |
| 07:25.02 | d03boy | can anyone point me to somewhere that shows how to get my wlan0 device to magically appear? |
| 07:25.04 | startingx | lol ... i never thought google couldn't answer such simple question too |
| 07:25.13 | Dwonis | d03boy: over there |
| 07:25.14 | d03boy | right now I have a couple eth's and a sit0 |
| 07:25.14 | kevix | startingx: it is never too early to 1) man rm or 2) rm --help |
| 07:25.16 | JohnGH | Dwonis: there's a first time for most stuff ;) |
| 07:25.17 | Azar | danf_1979: if you practice a bit in a usermode console commands, with the tutorial you will get the hang of it, learn where security logs are located, where apt sources are located, where configuration files for connections are located... stuff like that |
| 07:25.27 | startingx | kevix: will do that.. thanks |
| 07:25.30 | danf_1979 | I know all that |
| 07:25.30 | valdyn | d03boy: appear where? |
| 07:25.42 | d03boy | valdyn, i dont have a wlan0 device like I used to before I upgraded |
| 07:25.45 | Dwonis | JohnGH: oh yes, I understand that, but most of those people figure it out before they figure out how to use IRC, that's all |
| 07:25.45 | danf_1979 | I just lack some commands to configure stuff |
| 07:25.54 | JohnGH | d03boy: goooooooogle :) |
| 07:25.56 | kevix | startingx: man pages are like fine wine, they get better with age! |
| 07:25.57 | valdyn | d03boy: and you upgraded what? your kernel too? |
| 07:26.04 | d03boy | valdyn, ya |
| 07:26.07 | valdyn | d03boy: is it showing in lspci? |
| 07:26.09 | bintut | Dwonis: ok. :) |
| 07:26.09 | EruditeHermit | kevix: rm --help is a bit risky |
| 07:26.13 | EruditeHermit | kevix: =p |
| 07:26.14 | Azar | danf_1979: configuring what? I understand you do not need X or sound.. maybe just connections |
| 07:26.21 | EruditeHermit | kevix: supposing you typo |
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| 07:26.42 | d03boy | valdyn, ya, the network controller does |
| 07:26.50 | kevix | EruditeHermit: rm --help is not even close to rm -rf x-) |
| 07:26.51 | JohnGH | startingx: it's all about how you ask it... if you googled: "linux delete file" it would probably have helped you :) |
| 07:26.53 | Azar | danf_1979: it is not absolutely necessary but you would want to have a higher kernel down the road why don't upgrade now? |
| 07:26.55 | valdyn | d03boy: and loading the driver gives what? |
| 07:27.03 | danf_1979 | Like keyboard settings and basic stuff like that |
| 07:27.08 | d03boy | valdyn, what do you mean by loading the driver? |
| 07:27.10 | EruditeHermit | kevix: you are speaking to someone who accidentally did rm -rf / |
| 07:27.11 | liable | danf_1979: check out mc (midnight commander) very nice console/curses file manager |
| 07:27.11 | d03boy | lsmod? |
| 07:27.16 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: "rm *.tmp" -> "rm * .tmp" is worse |
| 07:27.17 | d03boy | err, no |
| 07:27.19 | danf_1979 | but someone already point me how to do it |
| 07:27.20 | valdyn | d03boy: modprobe ndiswraper or whatever |
| 07:27.23 | startingx | JohnGH: lol.... well maybe my google skill is not good enough |
| 07:27.23 | JohnGH | kevix: 'cept the ones that suffer from bitrot |
| 07:27.31 | Azar | danf_1979: I only configured mouse/keyboard/video with X configuration but you do not want X.. |
| 07:27.34 | startingx | JohnGH: I tried "delete a file in debian" |
| 07:27.40 | startingx | sort of |
| 07:27.40 | d03boy | module ndiswrapper not found |
| 07:27.40 | Dwonis | EruditeHermit: > instead of < is also quite bad |
| 07:27.43 | valdyn | d03boy: is the driver loaded? does it put informational output into 'dmesg' ? |
| 07:27.54 | JohnGH | startingx: it's not that hard, there's a box you click in, then type some words and click the nice button next to it :) |
| 07:28.02 | valdyn | d03boy: that was an example, what is your driver called anyway? |
| 07:28.05 | startingx | lol |
| 07:28.07 | Azar | yea, mc is nice |
| 07:28.08 | startingx | :p |
| 07:28.13 | d03boy | let me check, i said it a few min ago |
| 07:28.32 | d03boy | <d03boy> ndiswrapper -l shows that bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present |
| 07:28.46 | Dwonis | Azar: oh... remember that GUI program... it was called xf86config or xf86setup or something? |
| 07:28.55 | valdyn | d03boy: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper |
| 07:28.56 | startingx | xf86config |
| 07:28.57 | danf_1979 | Nope, I dont. The problem is that I will NOT going to install debian in the dedicated server. So, most probable thing is I will have to re-configure it once the guy at the company finish the installation |
| 07:29.01 | Azar | Dwonis: yes |
| 07:29.05 | JohnGH | startingx: if you're using ask Jeeves then write sentences, in Google just use the keywords - "a" and "in" are not useful - unless you're putting double quotes around it and looking for a sentence |
| 07:29.06 | danf_1979 | change languague, locales, keyboard settings |
| 07:29.07 | danf_1979 | etc |
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| 07:29.15 | d03boy | valdyn, nothing |
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| 07:29.44 | valdyn | d03boy: im not familiar with it, isnt ndiswrapper supposed to include a kernel module that is called ndiswrapper ? |
| 07:29.45 | kevix | startingx: doc-linux-text - Linux HOWTOs and FAQs in ASCII format |
| 07:29.45 | JohnGH | Dwonis: you mean say there was life back then? |
| 07:29.58 | Azar | Dwonis: there were nights I would hate my life, Id quit and start over next day... I got addicted a hate/love with Debian |
| 07:30.09 | d03boy | depmod ndiswrapper maybe.. |
| 07:30.12 | Dwonis | JohnGH: yes, but you wouldn't recognize it |
| 07:30.17 | d03boy | err, depmod -a |
| 07:30.26 | Dwonis | I remember when *isapnp* was relatively new... |
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| 07:30.36 | valdyn | d03boy: dpkg -l | grep ndiswrapper-module |
| 07:30.37 | danf_1979 | Thats why I was asking how to configure keyboard layout and stuff like that |
| 07:30.44 | valdyn | d03boy: and also uname -r |
| 07:30.45 | Azar | danf_1979: just for the sake of practice/test: try midnightcommander and see how easy is to upgrade a pre-packaged kernel |
| 07:30.46 | JohnGH | Dwonis: you have pnp now? LUXURY! |
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| 07:31.16 | liable | Azar: huh? with mc? |
| 07:31.24 | Dwonis | JohnGH: exactly.... and Netscape was the best browser we could get... |
| 07:31.34 | Azar | liable, he is just testing the waters, so why not try mc as well |
| 07:31.34 | danf_1979 | I will install debian again now (netinstall) and install mc then |
| 07:31.37 | d03boy | valdyn, ii ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-386 1.1-2 Ndiswrapper linux kernel module |
| 07:31.47 | Azar | I know it might sound lame but I still like ytree |
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| 07:31.49 | valdyn | d03boy: uname -r |
| 07:31.50 | d03boy | valdyn, 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 07:31.56 | kevix | Dwonis: we used to use Mosaic! |
| 07:32.03 | valdyn | d03boy: excellent, there's your error |
| 07:32.04 | JohnGH | Dwonis: ahhhh netscape gold :) and it used to write web pages for me! |
| 07:32.13 | XTF | Hi. Is there a way to check how recent my mirror is? I didn't see any updates for unstable today. |
| 07:32.14 | d03boy | valdyn, ok.. i guess I thought apt would take care of that for me :P |
| 07:32.19 | valdyn | d03boy: apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare;m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 07:32.35 | Azar | danf_1979: remember is allways safer to download/install with apt-get or aptitude. Never use wget and force 3rd party non-debian packages |
| 07:32.39 | Dwonis | kevix: I've used Mosaic, but it was definitely before my time |
| 07:32.45 | JohnGH | XTF: you could look with your web browser and see what the timestamps on the Packages file is |
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| 07:32.54 | Dwonis | JohnGH: ugh, you let that thing write your HTML? blasphemy! |
| 07:33.08 | valdyn | d03boy: your old ndiswrapper was a binary package from a debian repository, for your new kernel you have to compile that package yourself with the above command |
| 07:33.11 | danf_1979 | Yes I know apt |
| 07:33.16 | d03boy | valdyn, alright.. i guess i'll have to go connect to an ethernet connection somewhere |
| 07:33.17 | JohnGH | Dwonis: it was never how I wanted it - that's what taught me to write by hand - but that's how I started |
| 07:33.26 | danf_1979 | If I have to compile myself, I usually use checkinstall |
| 07:33.45 | d03boy | valdyn, thanks, i'll brb |
| 07:33.45 | valdyn | d03boy: well, you need those files anyway |
| 07:34.01 | Dwonis | I remember writing HTML before I knew what "standards" were (even, before they really existed in any meaningful way)... hoo boy |
| 07:34.01 | Azar | danf_1979: if ever looking for some package here is the site: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 07:34.10 | danf_1979 | thanks |
| 07:34.19 | Dwonis | "RFC? What's that? Use my email program!" |
| 07:34.29 | Azar | danf_1979: pick packages for your version (stable, testing, or unstable) allways |
| 07:34.38 | JohnGH | Dwonis: you're OLD! |
| 07:34.49 | Dwonis | JohnGH: not really... just ignorant |
| 07:35.07 | Dwonis | JohnGH: I mean *web* standards |
| 07:35.39 | JohnGH | Dwonis: I mean this is boring to talk about |
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| 07:36.03 | Dwonis | JohnGH: fine, back to ndiswrapper for you! ;P |
| 07:36.07 | danf_1979 | Ok, I'm reinstalling now |
| 07:36.08 | startingx | Dwonis: Even more boring trying to make your page "standard-compliant" and still look the same across browsers |
| 07:36.18 | simonrvn | JohnGH: o_O |
| 07:36.19 | danf_1979 | I want those 250MB max! :/ |
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| 07:36.46 | tuv | can grub boot from an xfs partition? |
| 07:36.47 | JohnGH | Dwonis: Mmmmm ndiswrapper! my favourite! |
| 07:36.56 | JohnGH | Can we have it re-heated for lunch? |
| 07:36.58 | Dwonis | startingx: It's easy; just do what DJB does... don't use *any* CSS or style markup |
| 07:37.10 | tuv | d-i defaults to lilo when root is on xfs |
| 07:37.13 | danf_1979 | why not? |
| 07:38.08 | valdyn | tuv: /usr/share/doc/grub/ |
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| 07:39.24 | startingx | is there any port of x screen savers to windows? |
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| 07:40.09 | Dwonis | startingx: wikipedia reports: http://tron.lir.dk/software/ |
| 07:40.22 | startingx | Dwonis: gee thanks |
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| 07:42.52 | tuv | valdyn, it says it can, but d-i recommends not to use grub with xfs.. this is not explained in /usr/share/doc/grub |
| 07:43.03 | XTF | JohnGH: Thanks. I found the Debian directory, but in which subdir is the packages files? |
| 07:43.41 | streuner | packages files? |
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| 07:43.55 | JohnGH | XTF: can you msg me the URL and I'll have a quick look and let you know |
| 07:43.58 | streuner | try /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 07:44.13 | d03boy2 | valdyn, i had some problems on the last command: http://pastebin.com/661121 |
| 07:44.14 | XTF | JohnGH: http://ftp.surfnet.nl/os/Linux/distr/debian/ |
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| 07:45.09 | rvca | Is there a way to free ram? i've closed all my apps and i still have a bunch of memory used, maybe killing the sleeping processes? |
| 07:45.10 | XTF | Contents-i386.gz is of 05-Apr-2006 |
| 07:45.30 | rvca | or is there an app for cleaning "unused" ram.? |
| 07:45.45 | Dwonis | rvca: cleaning? |
| 07:46.01 | starfishy | why would you want to clean the buffers? |
| 07:46.08 | cahoot | rvca: let the kernel do it's job without interfering |
| 07:46.10 | JohnGH | XTF: hasn't been updated since the 12th... have a look in a dir like: http://ftp.surfnet.nl/os/Linux/distr/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ |
| 07:46.31 | starfishy | the whole idea is to use unused ram for a useful purpose (i.e. buffers) |
| 07:46.36 | tralala | rvca: there is - it's called linux |
| 07:46.41 | rvca | because i end up without swap :S |
| 07:46.42 | rvca | haha |
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| 07:47.00 | rvca | i've got a small ram... |
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| 07:47.19 | korst3n | me again, i asked many questions but i still cant compile it, now it say error: 'cache_t' has no member named 'nicklistzline', i installed zlib1g-dev, zlib1g, zlibc |
| 07:47.22 | JohnGH | rvca: do you mean wiping it for security, or freeing it because you need it for something else? |
| 07:47.29 | kevix | rvca: linux kernel only uses swap when needed. shouldnt need to do anything. |
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| 07:47.51 | rvca | wiping it for security. |
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| 07:47.59 | kevix | rvca: the only suggesting is to remove 'servers' or 'services' |
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| 07:48.14 | d03boy2 | can anyone examine thsi error I get http://pastebin.com/661121 when I run m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 07:48.27 | danf_1979 | rvca, on what are you working on you need to erase critical info from ram? |
| 07:48.28 | bartlebee | is there a lustre package in debian testing or unstable? I saw some discussion on the mailing list (2003) that they were gearing up for this back then |
| 07:48.40 | JohnGH | rvca: If you are that worried about security then you probably need to be thinking about some more paranoid operating system |
| 07:48.42 | kevix | korst3n: did you run ./configure ? |
| 07:48.53 | rvca | hahahaha |
| 07:48.59 | nukeu666 | im logged in remotly on a comp and process list shows sshd: lug [priv] & sshd: lug@pts/1....whats the difference between them? |
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| 07:49.19 | JohnGH | XTF: sorted? |
| 07:49.35 | rvca | thnx |
| 07:49.48 | kevix | !info lustre |
| 07:49.53 | gnufan | nukeu666: read about privilege separation in openssh |
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| 07:50.15 | XTF | JohnGH: Yes, thanks. I've emailed the admin. |
| 07:50.44 | JohnGH | XTF: great, you're welcome... have a nice Eostre all :o) |
| 07:51.13 | d03boy2 | can anyone examine thsi error I get http://pastebin.com/661121 when I run m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 07:52.17 | JohnGH | oh and I found my missing bold in Yahoo! by increasing the font size :-) |
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| 07:52.49 | d03boy2 | hmm... googling makes me see that someone else has the same prob as me |
| 07:52.58 | gnufan | d03boy2: can you show us "cat /proc/version" |
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| 07:53.45 | d03boy2 | ya |
| 07:54.03 | valdyn | d03boy2: looks to me like ndiswrapper has issues with your kernel |
| 07:54.06 | danf_1979 | Hey, why does sarge come with 2.4 kernel? |
| 07:54.12 | danf_1979 | Any real reason for it? |
| 07:54.35 | streuner | there is an 2.6.x kernel in sarge too |
| 07:54.37 | gnufan | danf_1979: it comes with 2.4 and 2.6, I guess 2.4 was better tested at the time?! |
| 07:54.38 | starfishy | maybe because it has been around for a while? |
| 07:54.39 | d03boy2 | Linux version 2.6.15-1-686 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 |
| 07:54.42 | danf_1979 | Yes, but not default |
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| 07:55.01 | streuner | danf_1979: so you want to discuss things? |
| 07:55.06 | danf_1979 | Why not use 2.6 default? |
| 07:55.17 | tralala | d03boy2: are you using the same compiler (4.0.3) for m-a? |
| 07:55.19 | streuner | everyone can use what they want |
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| 07:55.20 | danf_1979 | little chit chat while installing |
| 07:55.27 | d03boy2 | tralala, i dont have the slightest clue |
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| 07:55.33 | streuner | if you want use 2.4 ok, if you want 2.6 ok |
| 07:55.35 | tralala | d03boy2: gcc --version |
| 07:55.36 | bliss1__ | hi |
| 07:55.53 | danf_1979 | Did my question bothered you streuner ? |
| 07:55.58 | bliss1__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.07 | d03boy2 | gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (Debian 4.0.3-1) |
| 07:56.07 | streuner | no, but it makes no sense |
| 07:56.18 | gnufan | tralala: d03boy2 that is part of why I asked for the kernel version |
| 07:56.50 | danf_1979 | Why doesn't make sense asking if there is a reason to prefer a default kernel for 2.4? |
| 07:56.55 | starfishy | bliss: you won't lose data on the disk one way or the other |
| 07:57.03 | starfishy | and you will lose the data in ram both ways |
| 07:57.12 | streuner | we told you, there is no default... |
| 07:57.20 | valdyn | d03boy2: give your chipset name again please, i think there is a native driver for something ( at least similar to yours ) now |
| 07:57.33 | d03boy2 | its a broadcom, let me get the exact name |
| 07:57.46 | d03boy2 | bcm4309 |
| 07:57.49 | valdyn | d03boy2: need exact name from lspci, broadcom sell alot of stuff |
| 07:57.56 | d03boy2 | yeah, I think broadcom released an actual driver within the psat year |
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| 07:58.13 | d03boy2 | i heard it wasnt very stable.. but its worth a try I guess |
| 07:58.21 | dondelelcaro | d03boy2: no, it's been reversed engineered. |
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| 07:58.36 | d03boy2 | ah, gotcha |
| 07:58.38 | tralala | d03boy2: aptitude search ~ilinux.*2.6.15 |
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| 07:58.59 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: at the time sarge was released, that was the default. etch will default to at least 2.66 |
| 07:59.03 | dondelelcaro | s/66/6/ |
| 07:59.25 | d03boy2 | tralala, k.. |
| 07:59.26 | danf_1979 | woody was old sarge wasn't it? |
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| 07:59.38 | d03boy2 | danf_1979, sid is the only one that stays the same |
| 07:59.40 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: no, they're totally separate releases. |
| 07:59.40 | EruditeHermit | valdyn, Dwonis is ldconfig broken? |
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| 08:00.14 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: how should we know? |
| 08:00.25 | d03boy2 | tralala, should i get the headers or something? (i could've sworn I got them once before) |
| 08:00.26 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: it didnt look broken last time we looked at that |
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| 08:01.06 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: i think you should just reinstall either way, as long as you been messing around that is probably much faster |
| 08:01.19 | tralala | d03boy2: you should |
| 08:01.31 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: reinstall debian?? |
| 08:01.33 | valdyn | d03boy2: m-a prepare gets the headers automagically |
| 08:01.33 | myboxen | goofy quick question, anyone paste into vim, and the alignment keeps moving farther and farther to the right? |
| 08:01.38 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: or libc6? |
| 08:01.41 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: yep |
| 08:01.43 | valdyn | EruditeHermit: debian |
| 08:01.46 | d03boy2 | valdyn, i'll just go that route then |
| 08:01.50 | EruditeHermit | valdyn: that isn't an option |
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| 08:02.10 | valdyn | d03boy2: which? grabbing an older kernel? |
| 08:02.12 | d03boy2 | okie, source is avaialble in /usr/source/linux |
| 08:02.53 | d03boy2 | valdyn, i have no idea whats going on |
| 08:03.00 | tralala | d03boy2: you don't want the source - just the headers |
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| 08:03.43 | valdyn | d03boy2: ndiswrapper is failing to compile against your current kernel, that is going on |
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| 08:03.55 | d03boy2 | well wtf |
| 08:04.07 | valdyn | d03boy2: i cant tell you why exactly, or if that is to be expected with 2.6.15 |
| 08:04.22 | d03boy2 | ok, do I want the common headers or the other ones |
| 08:04.36 | valdyn | d03boy2: m-a prepare gets the proper headers, you have them |
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| 08:04.40 | tralala | It is not to be expected with 2.6.15. I have compiled it just fine. |
| 08:04.46 | d03boy2 | ok, I have them then |
| 08:04.48 | valdyn | tralala: good to know |
| 08:05.50 | d03boy2 | now what? |
| 08:06.07 | gnufan | d03boy2: try ndiswrapper 1.7 or a more recent version seems to be the advice elsewhere. |
| 08:06.22 | tralala | m-a -t -k /path/to/headers build ndiswrapper |
| 08:07.32 | d03boy2 | are the headers in /usr/src/linux |
| 08:07.36 | d03boy2 | or in a sub dir? |
| 08:07.53 | valdyn | d03boy2: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 08:08.09 | korzec | plz help how can i apply a *.patch file ? it is multi-file diff |
| 08:08.18 | valdyn | korzec: man patch |
| 08:08.19 | d03boy2 | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 08:08.34 | rohan | hi all |
| 08:08.45 | d03boy2 | gah! |
| 08:08.51 | d03boy2 | build failed, same error as before afaik |
| 08:08.52 | rohan | korzec: patch -p1 -i FILE |
| 08:09.12 | rohan | does this line look right ? |
| 08:09.13 | rohan | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 08:09.24 | rohan | or there are more categories like main, contrib ? |
| 08:09.38 | valdyn | d03boy2: dpkg -l ndiswrapper-source |
| 08:09.41 | tralala | d03boy2: did aptitude show you the headers installed? |
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| 08:10.01 | valdyn | !info ndiswrapper-source etch |
| 08:10.03 | valdyn | !info ndiswrapper-source sid |
| 08:10.04 | d03boy2 | tralala, i didnt use aptitute, i did what valdyn said |
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| 08:10.10 | bartlebee | sorry to repeat myself, but is anyone at all running lustre on sarge? |
| 08:10.16 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 132 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 08:10.22 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 08:10.30 | d03boy2 | ii ndiswrapper-so 1.1-4 Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel modu |
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| 08:10.38 | valdyn | d03boy2: theres your error |
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| 08:10.48 | valdyn | d03boy2: grab the unstable ndiswrapper-source ( i believe ) |
| 08:10.52 | d03boy2 | blah |
| 08:11.06 | d03boy2 | remind me to never mix testing with an unstable kernel |
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| 08:11.30 | zrin | running amd64, how to get 32 bit binaries? I need pam_unix* for vmware server... |
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| 08:11.43 | valdyn | d03boy2: 3rd party modules are usually are pain that way |
| 08:11.46 | tralala | d03boy2: never mix the branches without a really good reason |
| 08:11.49 | vin` | d03boy2: roll you own if you need newer kernels, it's a breeze these days. |
| 08:12.07 | d03boy2 | vin`, working on learning how to do all this stuff |
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| 08:12.15 | bliss1__ | hi |
| 08:12.21 | d03boy2 | valdyn, how can i get that source package? |
| 08:12.23 | bliss1__ | liable whats new today |
| 08:12.28 | vin` | bliss1__: blissful yet? |
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| 08:12.32 | rohan | d03boy2: what do you want to do ? |
| 08:12.33 | valdyn | d03boy2: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:12.42 | d03boy2 | oh, ok. |
| 08:13.00 | valdyn | d03boy2: now you could also modify your /etc/apt/sources.list but i dont recommend that |
| 08:13.19 | valdyn | d03boy2: and get the new ndiswrapper-utils too |
| 08:13.23 | vladuz976 | can someone help me with grub? /dev/hda1 is (hd0,0) what would i enter for /dev/hdd2 ? |
| 08:13.44 | valdyn | vladuz976: (hd3,1) |
| 08:14.00 | cahoot | unless hdc is a cdrom |
| 08:14.21 | vladuz976 | valdyn: thanks |
| 08:14.52 | cahoot | vladuz976: check /boot/grub/device.map |
| 08:15.11 | gnufan | Do the DD's like bug reports for spelling mistakes -- as I'm about to file 20 or so, and that is only for packages installed beginning with "A". |
| 08:15.30 | valdyn | gnufan: why care if they 'like' it? |
| 08:15.40 | bliss1__ | vin' i am always blissful |
| 08:15.41 | valdyn | gnufan: spelling mistakes _are_ annoying ( |
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| 08:16.08 | cahoot | vladuz976: if you have a cdrom as hdb or hdc then hdd will be hd(2) |
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| 08:16.34 | d03boy2 | then I just need to dpkg -i these? |
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| 08:16.41 | gnufan | valdyn: just want to make sure there isn't a "better way" -- seems a lot of effort for what are mostly silly typos to raise a bug report each. |
| 08:16.45 | vin` | gnufan: ask for opinions on the d-d lists I guess. |
| 08:17.13 | valdyn | gnufan: the i18n mailing lists maybe if the errors are not english |
| 08:17.20 | vin` | and submit automatic patches as well? |
| 08:18.13 | valdyn | gnufan: i think many non-english speaking maintainers could use some help though anyway, bug reports arent to bad for that |
| 08:18.22 | gnufan | valdyn: I skipped the US/UK English errors, and then thought -- what if I type "apt-cache search color" and missed something useful because of a spelling mistake, maybe we could get Google to supply us some synonyms. |
| 08:18.36 | d03boy2 | should i also get the ndiswrapper-modules for the 1.8 version? |
| 08:18.41 | kevix | gnufan: just think: do users like spelling mistakes? what if you dont speak are not fluent in the language. Just dont file them at a high urgency. |
| 08:18.44 | d03boy2 | otherways I cant install the utils |
| 08:18.47 | valdyn | nuxil: uh, color is not mistake |
| 08:19.14 | gnufan | kevix: spelling is definitely "7" minor -- that is very clear |
| 08:19.18 | valdyn | gnufan: err, color is no mistake, idont know if there's even an agreement on english vs US english |
| 08:19.52 | gnufan | valdyn: that is what I mean there is both US and UK English in the package descriptions. |
| 08:20.03 | liable | its colour here.. |
| 08:20.20 | kevix | gnufan: the BTS is used for everything: changing the web site, packaging errors, spelling mistakes, etc. |
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| 08:20.57 | gnufan | valdyn: as a Brit I'd rather it was all UK English, but hey consistently US would be good, but that battle is for another day ;) |
| 08:21.07 | kevix | liable: just read the thread on this months debian-user ML! |
| 08:21.10 | valdyn | gnufan: yea, i mean, no use reporting individual errors there since there's probably no agreement at all if us or uk english should be used |
| 08:21.13 | rohan | hmm.. how many people here on -unstable are having problems with X on an i810 card ? |
| 08:21.36 | gnufan | !topic |
| 08:21.40 | valdyn | rohan: check the bts |
| 08:21.50 | valdyn | rohan: if you have a problem yourself, /msg dpkg ask and ask |
| 08:22.09 | rohan | valdyn: no, i want to know |
| 08:22.15 | kevix | rohan: X is having many problems. period. |
| 08:22.16 | rohan | i just 'installed' sid |
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| 08:22.20 | valdyn | rohan: polls are not appreciated here ) |
| 08:22.23 | rohan | kevix: oh, ok. |
| 08:22.24 | liable | kevix: about colour? |
| 08:22.26 | rohan | valdyn: fine. |
| 08:22.28 | narnia | hmm, my laptop crashed on bootup this morning when trying to start X |
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| 08:22.43 | liable | valdyn: your : key is broken I think. :) |
| 08:22.47 | gnufan | rohan: read the topic -- you just installed sid, X in sid is broken, your X is broken -- why are you surprised? |
| 08:22.50 | d03boy2 | this ndiswarpper crap still sint working |
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| 08:23.00 | rohan | gnufan: did i say my X is broken ? |
| 08:23.33 | valdyn | d03boy2: paste the new error(s) |
| 08:23.42 | kevix | liable: yes! |
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| 08:24.45 | d03boy2 | i think im just being dumb |
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| 08:25.18 | zrin | I've installed vmware on amd64, but it is missing pam_unix2.so library - how can I get 32 bit pam_unix* libraries? |
| 08:25.19 | valdyn | d03boy2: after you dpkg -i the 2 new packages: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 08:25.45 | d03boy2 | i did that (except I only dpkg -i the source because the other one had missing dependencies) |
| 08:26.09 | d03boy2 | but it seemed to install correctly this time |
| 08:26.21 | danf_1979 | zrin, I think you have to use a chroot environment to use 32bit libs in a 64bit proc |
| 08:26.30 | valdyn | d03boy2: no idea if using the old utils will cause problems |
| 08:26.35 | danf_1979 | not sure if there is another solution |
| 08:26.47 | zrin | danf_1979: vmware server is 32 bit app |
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| 08:27.12 | zrin | danf_1979: do you think I have to set up chroot env for it? |
| 08:27.29 | d03boy2 | valdyn, i'll ry it out :) |
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| 08:27.41 | zrin | danf_1979: it runs fine locally without chroot, I just can't connect to it from outside |
| 08:27.52 | d03boy2 | valdyn, thanks for all the help. much appreciated and i think I learned some stuff too |
| 08:28.03 | zrin | danf_1979: vmware-authd[10382]: PAM unable to dlopen(/usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpam.so.0/security/pam_unix2.so) |
| 08:28.08 | tienchi | hi, how to install x server??? apt-get install ... ?? |
| 08:28.27 | valdyn | tienchi: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 08:29.08 | valdyn | tienchi: and apt-get install <your favourite desktop environment / window manager> |
| 08:29.17 | kenneho | Hi all, I'm having a small network problem: I have four Debian/Ubuntu machines on my lan, but are having troubles connecting to one of these (say, machine A). Suddenly the machine stopped repsonding to pings. What may be causing this? As far as I can see the ip(6)tables doen's have entries that could cause this. |
| 08:29.17 | rohan | errr... is "restricted" removed from unstable ? |
| 08:29.28 | valdyn | rohan: restricted is UBUNTU |
| 08:29.42 | rohan | valdyn: fine.. lol |
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| 08:30.21 | tienchi | valdyn, stupid me .... i typed "windows" |
| 08:30.21 | rohan | valdyn: do you always get this hyper when someone confuses with ubuntu ? |
| 08:30.58 | rohan | and, debian-unofficial lists restricted too. so i was confused |
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| 08:32.25 | tienchi | valdyn, thanks! |
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| 08:36.16 | tuv | how can i open a .7z file? |
| 08:36.58 | simonrvn | with 7zip |
| 08:37.15 | tuv | simonrvn, is it available on debian? or from 7zip.com |
| 08:37.23 | simonrvn | debian |
| 08:37.40 | d03boy | its open source |
| 08:37.50 | d03boy | good stuff |
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| 08:39.30 | tuv | p7zip |
| 08:39.34 | tuv | found it |
| 08:39.54 | tuv | but what' the initial p for? |
| 08:40.03 | enyc | not sure ;-) |
| 08:40.37 | ekkikrist | po-russkie |
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| 08:41.22 | vladuz976 | i installed to /dev/hdd5 as root. i have (hd3,4) in grub and that doesn't work what's wrong |
| 08:42.01 | tuv | simonrvn, nice.. it even works with file-roller |
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| 08:43.33 | Horwitz | hi |
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| 08:44.28 | tienchi | hi, installing debian on my laptop, which is the mouse port for touchpad?? please |
| 08:44.51 | valdyn | tienchi: /dev/input/mice |
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| 08:45.39 | tienchi | valdyn, i used this before, but why i can not use the scroll function? |
| 08:46.02 | valdyn | tienchi: or more precisely, /dev/input/mice will collect all mouse events of all mice you have a kernel driver installed for |
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| 08:48.23 | tienchi | valdyn,oh, ic |
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| 09:01.12 | tienchi | valdyn, mmm.... i found one problem, i can not startx, i had tried many times. xf86OpenSeria: Canot open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:09.58 | tienchi | mmm.... i found one problem, i can not startx, i had tried many times. xf86OpenSeria: Canot open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:19.00 | rredd4 | using sarge, needing marvell wireless drivers for ndiswrapper. Can I use the drivers on the cd? |
| 09:19.18 | rredd4 | netgear wg511 v2 |
| 09:19.44 | aubergine | How can I transfer a directory from a FTP Server to my Computer with the Shell? |
| 09:20.01 | dondelelcaro | aubergine: use lftp and its mirror command. |
| 09:20.13 | aubergine | ok |
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| 09:21.12 | rredd4 | has anyone installed marvell drivers for ndiswrapper? help please |
| 09:22.33 | cyzie | i have installed etch on a sata drive where it connected to a hardware raid controller onboard. now, i have bought a similar hdd, can i just mirror the hdd in the onboard hardware or do i need attention on the OS side as well? please advice |
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| 09:24.19 | Storkme | how do i shut down from the command line? |
| 09:24.36 | rredd4 | shutdown -h now |
| 09:24.41 | rredd4 | need to be root |
| 09:24.48 | Storkme | i don't have a shutdown command |
| 09:24.51 | fontp | is there a way to apt-get something as a regular user... to install to ~/ as the root instead of wherever it does normally. |
| 09:24.56 | foxmjay | hello every one |
| 09:25.08 | Storkme | rredd4, whoops, yes i do. thanks |
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| 09:25.11 | fontp | stork : /sbin/shutdown -h now |
| 09:25.19 | danf_1979 | halt |
| 09:25.38 | foxmjay | i have a littel quation |
| 09:25.45 | tienchi | rredd4, it should work, what you need is the .ntf file |
| 09:25.47 | rredd4 | wow, I actually helped someone.... amazing |
| 09:25.59 | rredd4 | ok |
| 09:26.09 | foxmjay | wich command allow me to know how the virtual memory in my pc plz |
| 09:26.19 | rredd4 | tienchi how do i see the files on the cd? |
| 09:26.28 | foxmjay | i have a debian sarge |
| 09:26.30 | fontp | foxm : top |
| 09:26.53 | danf_1979 | foxmjay, free |
| 09:27.05 | tienchi | rredd4, insert the cd, and look into the folders |
| 09:27.29 | foxmjay | ok its work tnx tnx |
| 09:27.31 | rredd4 | ndiswrapper works with windows drivers? |
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| 09:28.15 | tienchi | rredd4, yes, that's what ndiswrapper for. you use the windows drivers in linux |
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| 09:29.19 | fontp | wtf, cvs is not installed on this machine. |
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| 09:29.20 | fontp | jesus |
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| 09:31.26 | tienchi | i want to cry, why i can not startx??? i think the setting for the mouse is correct! |
| 09:32.14 | bartlebee | if I have an existing ext3 partition with nothing on it, and I |
| 09:32.17 | rredd4 | tienchi when I look in the windows 2000 folder, I do not see a .ntf file. there is wg511v2.inf, wg511v2.cat, wg511.sys and wg5112xp.sys |
| 09:32.30 | bartlebee | I'd like to reformat it to ext2, is it a fairly simple process? |
| 09:32.42 | tienchi | rredd4,it's .inf.. sorry |
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| 09:33.02 | shark_ | bartlebee, yes mk2fs.ext2 |
| 09:33.09 | rredd4 | ok ty |
| 09:33.36 | shark_ | rredd4, use ndiswrapper with those file to setup your wifi card |
| 09:33.43 | spilotes | hello, i have sid,xorg7 and fglrx. the fglrx-modul is loadet and i have no errors in xorg.log. in xorg.log ist direct rendering enabled but when i start glxinfo is direct rendering no, ca anybody help me |
| 09:33.53 | bartlebee | shark_ thanks -- a simply umount and mk2fs.ext /dev/hdaX would do it? |
| 09:34.02 | danf_1979 | tienchi, test your mouse in console with gpm |
| 09:34.39 | rredd4 | shark just the inf correct? |
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| 09:35.27 | shark_ | rredd4, yes run it on the .inf |
| 09:35.35 | shark_ | rredd4, i think the other file are required too |
| 09:35.35 | rredd4 | ty |
| 09:35.51 | shark_ | bartlebee, i believe, yes |
| 09:36.09 | bartlebee | shark_, doing, thank you |
| 09:36.15 | shark_ | tienchi, you should cut/paste your error when you run X on pastebin.com |
| 09:36.17 | tienchi | rredd4, just put the .inf and .sys files in the same folder |
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| 09:36.43 | tienchi | shark_, pastebin.com???? where? |
| 09:37.04 | rredd4 | i am following the directions of this web site http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/ndiswrapper_on_Debian_Sarge_without_having_to_compile_anything |
| 09:37.10 | rredd4 | and yours |
| 09:37.43 | tienchi | danf_1979, how to test mouse with gpm??? |
| 09:38.20 | danf_1979 | just install gpm and see if your mouse works on console |
| 09:38.41 | danf_1979 | you'll have to provide some basic config |
| 09:40.08 | tienchi | danf_1979, how about use mdetect??? |
| 09:40.16 | danf_1979 | dont know it |
| 09:40.19 | tienchi | danf_1979, works the same? |
| 09:40.23 | liable | !gpm |
| 09:40.23 | dpkg | it has been said that gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
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| 09:41.58 | tienchi | danf_1979,dpkg, let me try with gpm |
| 09:42.28 | PhoenixMan | hi. How do I install the Dutch language for KDE? |
| 09:42.32 | PhoenixMan | I'm using apt. |
| 09:43.07 | nuxil | use synaptic and you'll see |
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| 09:43.12 | xerophyte | what is the best method to keep the to server cluster together, i have load balancer with 2 servers and load balancer is configured with virtual ip address but i need to sync the data to both server, what is the best method out there ..other than rsync |
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| 09:45.16 | shark_ | xerophyte, nfs ? |
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| 09:45.26 | Wyzard | In a kernel that has vga16fb compiled into it... what's the correct way to tell it at boot time *not* to use a framebuffer, but to just use plain text mode? |
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| 09:45.46 | shark_ | Wyzard, what boot loader do you use? lilo ? |
| 09:45.54 | Wyzard | shark_: grub |
| 09:46.03 | Wyzard | shark_: I know how to pass options to the kernel... but I don't know what option to use |
| 09:46.25 | krassy1809 | How i can turn off X server to install NVIDIA driver ? |
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| 09:46.28 | Wyzard | shark_: I've tried "vga=0", "vga=normal", "vga=ask" (and pressed Enter without choosing anything), and "video=vga", all with no effect |
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| 09:46.41 | shark_ | Wyzard, those are lilo setting |
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| 09:46.57 | shark_ | krassy1809, start with a different inittab |
| 09:46.59 | Wyzard | shark_: They're kernel settings -- lilo/grub just pass them to the kernel |
| 09:47.22 | nuxil | PhoenixMan, i think its apt-get install kde-i18n-de |
| 09:47.36 | krassy1809 | shark_:How ? |
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| 09:48.03 | shark_ | Wyzard, in your grub.conf, kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.16 root=/dev/hda2 hdd=ide-scsi vga=normal |
| 09:48.11 | shark_ | Wyzard, then grub-install |
| 09:48.20 | shark_ | krassy1809, man inittab |
| 09:48.31 | Wyzard | shark_: I tried "vga=normal" already... didn't help |
| 09:48.38 | shark_ | Wyzard, grub-install after |
| 09:48.47 | shark_ | Wyzard, no ? |
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| 09:48.54 | Wyzard | shark_: No, grub-install is not needed after changing options in grub.conf |
| 09:50.32 | shark_ | Wyzard, i give up :) |
| 09:50.37 | Wyzard | I can reformulate my question in a more direct way, actually: on a fresh install of Debian sarge, how can I make it not use a framebuffer console? |
| 09:50.38 | shark_ | Wyzard, vga=normal should work |
| 09:51.22 | bibe | hi all. Is Etch's linux-headers-2.6.15-1-486 package exactly referring to the kernel used in the debian-installer? I'd like to compile a module (r1000, for a Realtek gigabit ethernet) so I can use it during installation |
| 09:51.28 | Wyzard | shark_: I think the framebuffer might actually be getting enabled by a boot script somewhere, because it doesn't *immediately* go into graphics mode like it does on my other systems that use vesafb |
| 09:51.42 | rredd4 | tienchi when I type this insmod lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/ndiswrapper.ko to load the modules I get this insmod lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/ndiswrapper.ko |
| 09:52.01 | tienchi | how can i check to see that if the mouse devices exist???? |
| 09:52.34 | rredd4 | tienchi when I type iwconfig I get no wireless extensions |
| 09:52.44 | appaji | tienchi: cat /dev/mouse or /dev/input/mice (or whatever you suspect is the mouse device) and move the mouse around. |
| 09:52.44 | shark_ | Wyzard, could be in initrd |
| 09:52.46 | bibe | tienchi : type 'cat /dev/input/mice' (or whatever device) in a console and move the mouse |
| 09:52.50 | ma3x | anyone can explain why I receive this error |
| 09:52.58 | ma3x | /etc/cron.daily/man-db: |
| 09:52.58 | tienchi | rredd4, try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 09:52.59 | ma3x | mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory |
| 09:52.59 | ma3x | mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/atobm.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request |
| 09:53.05 | ma3x | and hundreds of such errors apear |
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| 09:53.17 | appaji | rredd4: did you try iwscan list as root first? |
| 09:53.28 | rredd4 | no |
| 09:53.29 | shark_ | rredd4, what does ndiswrapper -l return |
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| 09:53.39 | appaji | rredd4: do that first |
| 09:53.53 | shark_ | should be something like |
| 09:53.55 | shark_ | Installed ndis drivers: |
| 09:53.55 | shark_ | bcmwl5 driver present, hardware present |
| 09:54.10 | tienchi | bibe, cat: /dev/input/mice: no such file or directory |
| 09:54.20 | shark_ | if no "driver present" or no "hardware present" it will NEVER WORK |
| 09:54.27 | appaji | rredd4: oops, that should have been iwlist scan and not iwscan list. |
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| 09:54.54 | Wyzard | shark_: The woody install manual mentions "video=vga16:off", but that doesn't work either on this sarge system |
| 09:54.56 | bibe | tienchi : /dev/mouse? |
| 09:55.00 | rredd4 | appaji Installed ndis drivers: wg511v2 driver present |
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| 09:55.22 | ski | it seems setuid doesn't work with scripts .. any workaround ? |
| 09:55.34 | shark_ | rredd4, no "hardware present" ? |
| 09:55.34 | ma3x | anyone can explain me why I receive these errors every day in my mail? http://pastebin.com/661199 |
| 09:55.38 | rredd4 | no |
| 09:55.44 | Wyzard | Nobody knows of a way to make sarge stop using a framebuffer console? |
| 09:55.47 | shark_ | rredd4, there might be a conflict with your card IRQ |
| 09:55.59 | shark_ | rredd4, try to turn off "plug'n play" in bios or set your own IRQ |
| 09:56.14 | rredd4 | the card is not in the pc slot |
| 09:56.55 | mindbob | Hey guys you know when you nslookup yahoo.com and it has multiple ips for the one domain, so if one goes down it will still be up? -- Well I have a domain hosted on my boxes, that i would like to stick another ip in, so when you nslookup the host and my main one is down it will goto the seoncd IP.. really its for a backup IRCD how would i go about setting it up, just put a double entery in for the same host? like irc IN A ip1 and irc IN A ip2? |
| 09:56.59 | shark_ | ma3x, probably coz your man table is deprectated |
| 09:57.02 | rredd4 | shark would it help if the card was plugged into the slot? |
| 09:57.16 | aidehua | How would a font like '-misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-*' translate into a font that I can enter into something like gnome-terminal's windowsy-ish font selector? |
| 09:57.16 | rredd4 | can i hotplug it |
| 09:57.20 | ma3x | shark_, how do I solve that? |
| 09:57.21 | tienchi | bibe, mmm.. no result, the machine just keep thinking |
| 09:57.25 | shark_ | mindbob, exactly |
| 09:57.33 | shark_ | mindbob, just keep writing A record for this host |
| 09:57.43 | shark_ | ma3x, good question :) |
| 09:57.57 | shark_ | rredd4, nop |
| 09:58.01 | shark_ | rredd4, restart computa |
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| 09:58.26 | bibe | tienchi : are you logged in a console, or with X |
| 09:58.27 | bibe | ? |
| 09:58.31 | PhoenixMan | hi. I just installed Debian |
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| 09:58.35 | rredd4 | shark_ I plugged in the card, now i get Installed ndis drivers: wg511v2 driver present, hardware present |
| 09:58.36 | PhoenixMan | how do I conquer the world? |
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| 09:58.49 | PhoenixMan | what command do I give to take control over the nuclear missiles? |
| 09:58.53 | bibe | !beer PhoenixMan |
| 09:58.54 | tienchi | bibe, i am in console, i can not startx |
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| 09:59.09 | bibe | tienchi : do you have gpm running? |
| 09:59.13 | shark_ | rredd4, run iwconfig wlan0 |
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| 09:59.47 | rredd4 | no such device\ |
| 10:00.02 | PhoenixMan | um |
| 10:00.10 | PhoenixMan | but... |
| 10:00.17 | rredd4 | shark_ reboot? |
| 10:00.21 | shark_ | rredd4, ndiswrapper -m |
| 10:00.24 | shark_ | rredd4, then reboot |
| 10:00.28 | rredd4 | ok |
| 10:00.35 | tienchi | bibe, yes |
| 10:00.37 | PhoenixMan | how do i take over control of the weather using my powerful debian system? |
| 10:00.56 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, give me your comp and you'll see |
| 10:00.58 | tienchi | bibe, just say, seria18250: too much work for irq10 |
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| 10:01.03 | PhoenixMan | ok |
| 10:01.09 | PhoenixMan | want the ip and ssh access |
| 10:01.19 | bibe | tienchi : try 'ps faxuwww |grep gpm', and see what's the mouse device |
| 10:01.27 | PhoenixMan | i already installed the program "weather control v1.0" |
| 10:01.30 | rredd4 | shark_ no errors on ndiswrapper command... see you in a little bit |
| 10:01.30 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, no i want the physical computer |
| 10:01.32 | PhoenixMan | but i dont know how to run it |
| 10:01.41 | PhoenixMan | i cant give you it |
| 10:01.49 | PhoenixMan | its at the center of the planet |
| 10:01.51 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, you are too much a lamer to use it |
| 10:01.52 | PhoenixMan | the manual told me to do it |
| 10:01.53 | shark_ | :)) |
| 10:01.55 | rredd4 | Shark_ unplug ethernet cable before rebooting? |
| 10:01.57 | PhoenixMan | : |
| 10:01.58 | PhoenixMan | :( |
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| 10:02.01 | PhoenixMan | thats why im asking |
| 10:02.04 | shark_ | rredd4, no simple reboot |
| 10:02.12 | PhoenixMan | theres a file |
| 10:02.13 | rredd4 | ok |
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| 10:02.24 | PhoenixMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.28 | PhoenixMan | but i dunno how to run it |
| 10:02.36 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, rm -rf / |
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| 10:02.42 | PhoenixMan | ok |
| 10:02.44 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, hit that to be the master of the univers |
| 10:02.50 | PhoenixMan | ok |
| 10:02.54 | PhoenixMan | i did |
| 10:02.58 | PhoenixMan | its freezing up a bit |
| 10:02.59 | PhoenixMan | wht do i od |
| 10:03.03 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, now reboot |
| 10:03.08 | PhoenixMan | how |
| 10:03.09 | PhoenixMan | it froze up |
| 10:03.13 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, unplug the cable |
| 10:03.16 | PhoenixMan | ok |
| 10:03.18 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, see you in a minue |
| 10:03.19 | PhoenixMan | i did |
| 10:03.20 | shark_ | PhoenixMan, see you in a minute |
| 10:03.27 | PhoenixMan | nono |
| 10:03.29 | PhoenixMan | im on another pc |
| 10:03.31 | shark_ | yesyes |
| 10:03.34 | tienchi | bibe, just say, seria18250: too much work for irq10 |
| 10:03.45 | PhoenixMan | i even have security on it |
| 10:03.46 | PhoenixMan | lol |
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| 10:03.52 | PhoenixMan | at bootup |
| 10:03.55 | PhoenixMan | if a file is deleted on the hd |
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| 10:04.01 | PhoenixMan | it blows a nuclear fission device |
| 10:04.06 | PhoenixMan | its funny for thieves |
| 10:04.08 | PhoenixMan | ok ill reboot now |
| 10:04.17 | PhoenixMan | ok its booting up |
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| 10:04.22 | PhoenixMan | its beeping.. |
| 10:04.27 | PhoenixMan | ack |
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| 10:07.13 | shark_ | rredd4, iwconfig wlan0 |
| 10:07.16 | rredd4 | Shark_ I'm back |
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| 10:07.44 | rredd4 | Shark_ no such device |
| 10:07.47 | rredd4 | :( |
| 10:07.56 | shark_ | rredd4, very strange |
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| 10:08.00 | shark_ | rredd4, modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 10:08.26 | bioc_ | :) Finally! |
| 10:08.38 | rredd4 | Shark_ FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 10:08.53 | shark_ | rredd4, you need to load ndiswrapper module into the kernel |
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| 10:09.14 | shark_ | rredd4, did you use tar.gz ? |
| 10:09.25 | rredd4 | for |
| 10:09.30 | shark_ | rredd4, for ndiswrapper |
| 10:09.34 | rredd4 | no |
| 10:09.36 | rredd4 | deb |
| 10:09.40 | shark_ | too bad :P |
| 10:09.45 | shark_ | okay people |
| 10:09.49 | shark_ | i'm out ++ |
| 10:09.51 | shark_ | good luck |
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| 10:11.17 | rredd4 | Shark_ so ndiswrapper is not part of the kernel now? I apt-get installed it |
| 10:11.52 | Eulex | rredd4, it has never been part of the kernel afaik |
| 10:12.52 | liable | rredd4: did you build it/ |
| 10:12.55 | liable | ? |
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| 10:14.03 | superlinux | hi all |
| 10:14.10 | superlinux | who is using vlc? |
| 10:14.17 | rredd4 | liable did this apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 10:14.26 | superlinux | i wanna read the wmv3 videos |
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| 10:15.09 | Eulex | rredd4, and you've got a 2.6.8-2-686 kernel? |
| 10:15.25 | rredd4 | yup |
| 10:15.30 | Eulex | superlinux, get w32codecs from marillat |
| 10:15.34 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 10:15.34 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 10:15.46 | rredd4 | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 10:16.13 | rredd4 | Eulex in grub it says 386 |
| 10:16.24 | Eulex | rredd4, uname -ar? |
| 10:16.24 | rredd4 | I have pIII |
| 10:16.38 | Eulex | and? |
| 10:16.44 | rredd4 | 386 |
| 10:16.55 | war92 | Having an apt-get dist-upgrade bug with NFS in Etch, can anyone help ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/1MFHOX38.html |
| 10:16.57 | Eulex | what does uname -ar say? |
| 10:17.19 | rredd4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.29 | superlinux | Eulex, i did |
| 10:17.45 | superlinux | but did not know how to run them without recompiling? |
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| 10:18.13 | Eulex | rredd4, which is why it doesn't work. you got the module for a -686 kernel. you've got a -386 kernel. either get the right module or reboot with the -686 kernel. |
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| 10:18.41 | liran_ | do duo-core processors requires special handling on linux or is it completely transparent? |
| 10:19.01 | rredd4 | Eulex uname -ar |
| 10:19.01 | rredd4 | Linux waycool2 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:19.07 | Wyzard | liran_: Completely transparent |
| 10:19.24 | Eulex | rredd4, one important point I think you missed: the kernel the modules are built for must match the kernel you're running exactly. |
| 10:19.25 | Wyzard | liran_: It's just like having two separate processors |
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| 10:19.30 | bioc_ | :) hello.. |
| 10:19.40 | liran_ | Wyzard, ok cool |
| 10:19.44 | war92 | Starting NFS common utilities: statdinvoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "restart" failed, Etch is borked? |
| 10:19.48 | Eulex | rredd4, if you have a 2.6.8-2-386 kernel you can't use modules that are made for a 2-6-8-2-686 kernel |
| 10:19.57 | liran_ | Wyzard, i'm having a really hard time deciding on getting this laptop i want cause i'm unsure if it would run linux :( |
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| 10:20.12 | Eulex | war92, no, but maybe that script is |
| 10:20.23 | Eulex | !laptops |
| 10:20.23 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 10:20.28 | Wyzard | liran_: That'll be an issue mainly of drivers and peripherals... the core stuff should be fine |
| 10:20.30 | Eulex | liran, ^^ |
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| 10:20.37 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 10:20.46 | rredd4 | Eulex so I have 386, what is the i686 GNU/Linux? |
| 10:20.48 | liran_ | Wyzard, have you got experience with it? |
| 10:20.53 | bliss1_ | vin' hi |
| 10:20.57 | Wyzard | liran_: I have a Thinkpad Z60m that works great with Debian... PCI Express Graphics, SATA hard drive, stuff like that |
| 10:21.04 | Wyzard | liran_: I don't own any dual-core systems though |
| 10:21.10 | liran_ | Eulex, first thing i've searched was my model in those 2 laptop websites but i couldn't find it... :( |
| 10:21.11 | bioc_ | Excuse me, I was wondering if anyone could help me? I was wondering why apt-get install tor << does not search for the package... Can anyone help me? |
| 10:21.12 | vin` | bliss1_: moo |
| 10:21.17 | Eulex | rredd4, umh, what do you mean? either get the right module or get the right kernel. |
| 10:21.37 | superlinux | Eulex, but did not know how to run them without recompiling. do you know how? |
| 10:21.50 | bliss1_ | vin' ok its all ok reboot not BUT shutdown will do same no prob |
| 10:21.51 | liran_ | Wyzard, what intel chipset is it runing? |
| 10:21.52 | Eulex | liran_, ouch. it seems new then. googlefor it? |
| 10:22.02 | bliss1_ | working |
| 10:22.08 | bioc_ | alright thanks. good day |
| 10:22.08 | Eulex | superlinux, I think it should work without recompiling. you could ask #vlc. |
| 10:22.10 | Bazy | rredd4 the 386 kernel is for Athlon, Duron and AMD processors, the 686 is for Intel Pentium, Pentium II, III |
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| 10:22.24 | war92 | Eulex: yeah appears to be borked |
| 10:22.29 | liran_ | Eulex, yep. couldn't find much. |
| 10:22.30 | rredd4 | Eulex http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/ndiswrapper_on_Debian_Sarge_without_having_to_compile_anything |
| 10:22.36 | rredd4 | followed that web site |
| 10:22.36 | nkuttler | bioc_: what do you mean it does not search? |
| 10:22.39 | Wyzard | liran_: 915 |
| 10:22.53 | danf_1979 | 386 for athlon? |
| 10:22.55 | Eulex | rredd4, you're still not running a kernel that matches the module |
| 10:22.55 | danf_1979 | K7 |
| 10:22.56 | bioc_ | nevermind, I found my answer. thanks.......... :-/ |
| 10:22.57 | superlinux | Eulex, well i can hear a sound but no video pictures |
| 10:22.58 | liran_ | Wyzard, yicks... the laptop i'm interested in is runing 945PM Express |
| 10:23.04 | rredd4 | Eulex I understand |
| 10:23.10 | Wyzard | liran_: 945 should work fine too |
| 10:23.20 | bliss1_ | vin` i am going to post something in a pastebin about menu.lst do tou want to take a look |
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| 10:23.31 | new0one | hello, how can I get a debian just to use it for server, I just want to install it on a server without a monitor for example like Mikrotik no GUI no nothing a simple debian os? |
| 10:23.50 | rredd4 | Bazy why did it not install the 686 when I typed apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 10:23.51 | Eulex | rredd4, incorrect. a pentium 1 won't run a 686 kernel. most athlons, durons and amd's will run a 686 kernel. but for many of them it's better to run a k7 kernel |
| 10:23.52 | liran_ | Wyzard/Eulex, that's the model: http://www.acer.com.sg/products/aspire5560/psp_aspire5560.asp |
| 10:23.55 | rhalff | new0one, you can run debian especially as server :) |
| 10:24.21 | Bazy | rredd4 what processor you have? cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:24.23 | Eulex | umh, that was aimed at Baxy |
| 10:24.23 | war92 | Eulex: fails every time, grr |
| 10:24.25 | war92 | Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsd mountdinvoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-kernel-server, action "start" failed. |
| 10:24.25 | Eulex | *Bazy |
| 10:24.26 | new0one | rhalff I dont want it with GUI just commandline. |
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| 10:24.33 | rhalff | new0one, yeah that' |
| 10:24.36 | Eulex | war92, you'd have to debug the script. |
| 10:24.37 | rhalff | s the point of a server |
| 10:24.59 | intx | is there anyway to use grub to boot a specific image only for the next reboot? |
| 10:25.01 | bliss1_ | vin' are you sleepy come on man |
| 10:25.14 | rredd4 | Bazy Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 1133MHz |
| 10:25.26 | vin` | bliss1_: ok, shoot. |
| 10:25.30 | Eulex | war92, they are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 10:25.35 | Eulex | rredd4, get the 686 one |
| 10:25.44 | bliss1_ | vin' give me a sec |
| 10:25.50 | superlinux | new0one, i can help u |
| 10:25.55 | new0one | rhalff can you give me a download link? |
| 10:25.58 | rhalff | new0one, you'll have to know a little bit about what services you wanna run though |
| 10:26.01 | new0one | superlinux like how |
| 10:26.04 | rredd4 | brb |
| 10:26.14 | Eulex | intx, no, that's about the only feature grub misses which lilo has |
| 10:26.21 | superlinux | well lets go prvt cos it'll take long discussion |
| 10:26.29 | superlinux | so u wont get confused |
| 10:26.33 | liran_ | Wyzard, sata hard drives are a bit tricky on linux, aren't they? |
| 10:26.34 | intx | Eulex: dammit. I had a feeling that was the answer :/ |
| 10:26.38 | intx | Eulex thanks |
| 10:26.47 | superlinux | new0one, ok? |
| 10:26.49 | intx | might switch to lilo just for that :P |
| 10:26.55 | Eulex | intx, hehe :) |
| 10:27.03 | Wyzard | liran_: Works fine for me, but I'm running unstable and did a debootstrap installation |
| 10:27.12 | Wyzard | liran_: I think the sarge installer CD has some trouble with them |
| 10:27.18 | Bazy | rredd4 well... strange... apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 is working ? check if you can apt-get install something else, check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:27.29 | new0one | superlinux am not registered |
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| 10:27.52 | Wyzard | liran: Also, if the CD/DVD drive is SATA, (which it probably is), you want to be running kernel 2.6.15 or later |
| 10:27.59 | superlinux | do u have a yahoo or hotmail account? |
| 10:28.02 | rredd4 | Eulex maybe I clicked on the wrong kernel in grub. They both say 386 on them event though I installed the 686 kernel |
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| 10:28.10 | liran_ | Wyzard, yeah im talking about that exactly :) |
| 10:28.12 | rredd4 | Bazy it works |
| 10:28.24 | liran_ | Wyzard, damn it. I wish it could have been easier, i want that laptop :) |
| 10:28.30 | Bazy | rredd4 after it installs it, run update-grub |
| 10:28.31 | rredd4 | bazy with other programs |
| 10:28.32 | bioc_ | does anyone know the command so I can update apt-get <<? |
| 10:28.37 | bioc_ | :) sowwy.. |
| 10:28.38 | Eulex | rredd4, not possible |
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| 10:28.51 | Wyzard | liran_: but it works flawlessly once it's set up... I'm using LVM on top of dm-crypt on my SATA hard drive, and I can burn CDs and DVDs with the SATA optical drive |
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| 10:29.07 | superlinux | new0one, join #superlinux we can be prvt |
| 10:29.19 | Bazy | rredd4 "dpkg -l | grep kernel" maybe it's already installed, you just have to chose it at startup |
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| 10:29.46 | rredd4 | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 10:30.07 | Eulex | rredd4, reboot and choose the 686 then |
| 10:30.12 | Bazy | rredd4 :-) great! now reboot your box |
| 10:30.14 | rredd4 | yup |
| 10:30.20 | XSoul | hello team |
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| 10:30.33 | XSoul | any one with successful upgrade to xorg.7.0 |
| 10:30.47 | Wyzard | xsdg: I've done it on two laptops |
| 10:30.50 | Eulex | XSoul, no; read the topic |
| 10:30.58 | Shadowcat | XSoul: READ THE TOPIC |
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| 10:31.31 | XSoul | <Eulex> ahmm .. must wait then :> |
| 10:31.41 | Shadowcat | doesn't anybody read around here+ |
| 10:31.42 | Shadowcat | ? |
| 10:31.46 | Shadowcat | I thought this was #debian |
| 10:31.52 | Shadowcat | not #windowsxp |
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| 10:32.25 | liran_ | Wyzard, yeah im just thinking how sad ill be after i spent around $2000 on this laptop and find out it isn't all supported and im stuck with linux without an ethernet driver :) |
| 10:32.29 | XSoul | Wyzard heheeh . right ! |
| 10:32.40 | Shadowcat | if you're running unstable you SHOULD NOT ask questions about packages |
| 10:32.46 | Shadowcat | what's so hard to understand about that? |
| 10:32.52 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> why ? |
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| 10:32.53 | Shadowcat | you SHOULD KNOW that it's broken |
| 10:32.57 | Wyzard | liran_: Well, the gigabit in my Thinkpad is a Broadcom tg3, which works just fine |
| 10:33.02 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> ouu shut up |
| 10:33.05 | Wyzard | liran_: The ipw2200 wireless works nicely too |
| 10:33.09 | Shadowcat | XSoul: no |
| 10:33.12 | nkuttler | and you should know how to fix broken stuff |
| 10:33.16 | liran_ | Wyzard, ich7 family? (can you do a quick check with lspci) |
| 10:33.22 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> no . anyone can ask what problem have |
| 10:33.23 | Shadowcat | XSoul: you're about the 1000th person asking this week |
| 10:33.31 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> what you mean with you SHOULD KNOW that it's broken |
| 10:33.32 | liran_ | Wyzard, the wireless there isn't ipw2200 its ipw3945 |
| 10:33.35 | Wyzard | liran_: It's not powered on at the moment, but from memory I believe it's ICH6 |
| 10:33.46 | Shadowcat | XSoul: there's something called apt-listbugs |
| 10:33.46 | Shadowcat | USE IT |
| 10:33.52 | bliss1_ | vim' here it is take it easy and enjoy http://pastebin.ca/49422 |
| 10:33.55 | Shadowcat | and then check bugs.debian.org |
| 10:33.56 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> ok if i'm 1000th then just sid have problem .that is all |
| 10:33.58 | Wyzard | liran_: http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 10:34.07 | Shadowcat | XSoul: no, Sid doesn't have a problem |
| 10:34.09 | XSoul | change the topic and say . don't upgrade to xorg 7 that is all |
| 10:34.12 | Shadowcat | Sid is SUPPOSED to be a problem |
| 10:34.20 | Shadowcat | it's SUPPOSED to be broken |
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| 10:34.24 | Wyzard | liran_: Looks like your wireless is supported, though I've never used that driver myself |
| 10:34.28 | Shadowcat | if it's NOT broken, than it's usually a miracle |
| 10:34.30 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> i use sid form 4y . i can't have problems by default |
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| 10:34.42 | Shadowcat | XSoul: sid has problems by default |
| 10:34.53 | Shadowcat | there's always at least one package that's broken at some point |
| 10:34.56 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> XSoul: sid has problems by default : NO |
| 10:35.04 | rredd4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.12 | rredd4 | 686!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:35.19 | Shadowcat | Wyzard: ya but you don't bug the channel with useless questions like XOrg 7 not working |
| 10:35.30 | Shadowcat | if you don't know how to run sid, than don't |
| 10:35.38 | rredd4 | now I have to reinstall everything.... |
| 10:35.39 | liran_ | Wyzard, yeah i saw that website too |
| 10:35.41 | Shadowcat | and asking a simple question like that proves that you can't run it |
| 10:35.46 | Bazy | rredd4 :-) |
| 10:35.46 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> : sid is not experimental |
| 10:35.47 | liran_ | Wyzard, so i think i might get the laptop |
| 10:35.53 | Wyzard | Shadowcat: He didn't bug the channel and say it wasn't working, he just asked whether anyone had done it |
| 10:35.55 | deadcat | anyone still using bootsplash? if so, whats new? |
| 10:36.09 | Shadowcat | Wyzard: him and around 200 others |
| 10:36.16 | Shadowcat | !tell XSoul about sid |
| 10:36.19 | Wyzard | Shadowcat: I figured he probably ran into some of the same snags I did, and might be interested in hearing about how I worked around them |
| 10:36.39 | Shadowcat | !tell XSoul about unstable |
| 10:36.59 | Wyzard | though I'm not sure if I want to walk someone through an xorg upgrade -- it's 6am here and I really ought to go to sleep :-) |
| 10:37.12 | Shadowcat | Wyzard: I most certainly wouldn't |
| 10:37.26 | Shadowcat | I'm holding off XOrg 7 until they sort out the mess over at #debian-devel |
| 10:37.41 | Shadowcat | which is basically what I did when xserver-xorg hit unstable in the first place |
| 10:37.47 | liran_ | hey shadowcat |
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| 10:37.53 | PhoenixMan | back |
| 10:37.55 | PhoenixMan | I blew up |
| 10:37.56 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> : yes you are right |
| 10:37.59 | PhoenixMan | my head a splode |
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| 10:38.04 | Shadowcat | on my gentoo boxes (which already run XOrg 7) I sorted it out on my own |
| 10:38.11 | Wyzard | Shadowcat: I understand that... I haven't upgraded my main desktop yet for similar reasons; tried it out on my laptops first |
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| 10:38.39 | PhoenixMan | I'm having problems with SSHD. It keeps disconnecting me after some kind of timeout. How do I alter this timeout thing? I don't want it disconnecting me at all! |
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| 10:39.11 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: why does it timeout? |
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| 10:39.19 | PhoenixMan | I have no idea. It happened the next day. |
| 10:39.25 | petemc | PhoenixMan: are you ssh'ing through a firewall? |
| 10:39.35 | PhoenixMan | I'm ssh'ing through a router. |
| 10:39.38 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: how often does this happen and how many times? |
| 10:39.52 | petemc | PhoenixMan: a client of mine has a shitty sonic firewall router, it does same |
| 10:39.55 | PhoenixMan | Well... if I'm idle for like five minutes it already seems to automatically disconnect me. |
| 10:40.06 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: what's the make/model of your router? |
| 10:40.06 | bliss1_ | vin` you got it |
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| 10:40.13 | PhoenixMan | Uh.. I forgot. |
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| 10:40.20 | petemc | PhoenixMan: theres a tcpkeepalive option for sshd, its recommended to fix the router tho |
| 10:40.20 | PhoenixMan | SpeedTouch |
| 10:40.24 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: it's not sitting there in front of you? |
| 10:40.30 | PhoenixMan | 00-0E-50-88-2C-B8 |
| 10:40.31 | PhoenixMan | nope |
| 10:40.35 | Gnea | LOL |
| 10:40.46 | Gnea | i don't want to know your MAC address :) |
| 10:40.46 | rredd4 | Eulex I am up to the loading the modules part. When I type insmod lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/ndiswrapper.ko I get insmod: can't read 'lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory |
| 10:40.51 | PhoenixMan | yes you dp |
| 10:40.55 | PhoenixMan | you totally do |
| 10:41.00 | Gnea | LMFAO |
| 10:41.07 | PhoenixMan | now go hax me |
| 10:41.08 | PhoenixMan | :D |
| 10:41.16 | PhoenixMan | my IP is 80.61.196.1 btw |
| 10:41.18 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: no, model number dipshot :) |
| 10:41.21 | deadcat | rredd4: update-modules && modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 10:41.22 | PhoenixMan | I dunno |
| 10:41.28 | Gnea | er, dipshit |
| 10:41.30 | Shadowcat | PhoenixMan: don't hever say hack me in a channel filled with hackers |
| 10:41.39 | PhoenixMan | I will |
| 10:41.39 | Shadowcat | because you'll most likely get 0wned before you know it |
| 10:41.42 | Tagor | Can someone tell me how to change the password of a prodftp account? |
| 10:41.45 | PhoenixMan | I can't get hacked |
| 10:41.45 | PhoenixMan | ever. |
| 10:41.47 | petemc | debina is filled with "hackers" ? |
| 10:41.52 | petemc | gah, debian |
| 10:42.07 | Shadowcat | petemc: most of the regulars here know more than enough to cause serious damage |
| 10:42.13 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: i have a better idea - unplug all of your network connections, sell your computer, and go live in a cave |
| 10:42.15 | Shadowcat | i.e. DON'T tempt us |
| 10:42.22 | bliss1_ | vin' you still here man |
| 10:42.25 | bioc_ | :( |
| 10:42.29 | PhoenixMan | Gnea: I don't own the router. |
| 10:42.36 | PhoenixMan | Alrighty then. |
| 10:42.40 | PhoenixMan | Who wants a computer? "Only used once"? |
| 10:42.42 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: why not? |
| 10:42.44 | petemc | Shadowcat: im not sure thats true, but ok.. |
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| 10:43.03 | Shadowcat | petemc: for example, I DO know how to get through nat |
| 10:43.08 | rredd4 | deadcat I got a light on my wireless card!! I can unplug the ethernet cable now? |
| 10:43.16 | Shadowcat | so even if you're behind nat I could get to you |
| 10:43.18 | bioc_ | Petemc, yeah it seems like it.... I'm done with debian, I'm headed for bsd. |
| 10:43.18 | PhoenixMan | I'm Dutch. "nat" means "wet". |
| 10:43.22 | petemc | Shadowcat: very impressive.. |
| 10:43.25 | bioc_ | Peace everyone (; |
| 10:43.26 | Shadowcat | and I'm not the only one in here with that knowledge |
| 10:43.34 | Shadowcat | because on the grand scale of things, I suck |
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| 10:43.47 | Tagor | Nobody who knows how to change the password of a prodftp account? |
| 10:43.48 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: we live on the planet earth, nat means Network Address Translation |
| 10:43.55 | PhoenixMan | no |
| 10:43.56 | PhoenixMan | it means wet |
| 10:44.04 | Shadowcat | !ops PhoenixMan is trolling |
| 10:44.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: PhoenixMan is trolling |
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| 10:44.09 | petemc | Tagor: by default, proftpd uses system accounts, so passwd user |
| 10:44.12 | Gnea | fucking cracksmoker |
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| 10:44.30 | PhoenixMan | !ops no im not |
| 10:44.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: no im not |
| 10:44.40 | Gnea | !troll PhoenixMan |
| 10:45.00 | Tagor | petemc >> I did that, but for some reason it doesn't accept the password. And I don't find a log anywhere |
| 10:45.00 | PhoenixMan | but.... |
| 10:45.02 | Shadowcat | let's see what interesting stuff PhoenixMan has loaded |
| 10:45.04 | Gnea | the problem is obviously not with the router. |
| 10:45.09 | PhoenixMan | ok. |
| 10:45.17 | XSoul | any one here with experiance how we can optimaze the deb package ? |
| 10:45.17 | petemc | Tagor: /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:45.17 | XSoul | i now about apt-build |
| 10:45.17 | PhoenixMan | what am I running, huh? |
| 10:45.19 | Shadowcat | Gnea: no it's a dumb fucking user error |
| 10:45.28 | Gnea | XSoul: make sure it builds, first |
| 10:45.35 | XSoul | but i can optimaze only for processor . i don't know what exactly options to adt o gcc and make |
| 10:45.39 | Gnea | Shadowcat: you think?! :D |
| 10:45.43 | bliss1_ | vin` how;s it going |
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| 10:45.47 | XSoul | <Gnea> yes I build it ;> |
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| 10:45.59 | Shadowcat | XSoul: here's an idea |
| 10:46.00 | XSoul | but what about the fully optimized ? |
| 10:46.01 | Shadowcat | info gcc |
| 10:46.04 | Shadowcat | start reading |
| 10:46.05 | Gnea | XSoul: cool - have you looked at the files in the debian/ dir? |
| 10:46.09 | Wyzard | XSoul: What are you trying to optimize? |
| 10:46.14 | wahjava | Hi group |
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| 10:46.26 | wahjava | How do I create .deb packages of one of my python apps ? |
| 10:46.27 | XSoul | <Wyzard> optimization for the current PC |
| 10:46.37 | XSoul | <Wyzard> like gentoo |
| 10:46.39 | PhoenixMan | well? |
| 10:46.40 | Wyzard | XSoul: Optimization of what? |
| 10:46.40 | deadcat | wahjava: dh_make or checkinstall |
| 10:46.46 | PhoenixMan | what am I running |
| 10:46.48 | wahjava | Any documentation on this ?? |
| 10:47.02 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: crap |
| 10:47.02 | XSoul | <Wyzard> speed based for my arhitecture |
| 10:47.09 | PhoenixMan | a webserver? |
| 10:47.11 | PhoenixMan | an ftp server? |
| 10:47.13 | PhoenixMan | thats not me |
| 10:47.14 | PhoenixMan | thats my dad |
| 10:47.15 | PhoenixMan | ha |
| 10:47.24 | Wyzard | XSoul: What I mean is, what software are you trying to compile with optimization? |
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| 10:47.27 | XSoul | workstation |
| 10:47.30 | PhoenixMan | plus, anyone can scan ports. -_- |
| 10:47.37 | XSoul | <Wyzard> yes |
| 10:47.38 | Wyzard | XSoul: If you're trying to recompile every package on your system, you're wasting your time |
| 10:47.41 | bliss1_ | vin` i will get the beers |
| 10:47.46 | Gnea | !ops PhoenixMan is early for sunday |
| 10:47.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: PhoenixMan is early for sunday |
| 10:47.54 | XSoul | <Wyzard> all software for my desktop |
| 10:47.59 | PhoenixMan | !ops its saturday |
| 10:48.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: its saturday |
| 10:48.08 | XSoul | <XSoul> like xorg firefox thunderbird |
| 10:48.10 | deadcat | XSoul: then debian is not for you |
| 10:48.20 | Tagor | petemc >> That also doesn't tell me why the pass is wrong |
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| 10:48.23 | XSoul | <deadcat> why ? is not apt-build good for this ? |
| 10:48.38 | Gnea | XSoul: what documentation have you read for this? |
| 10:48.39 | Tagor | petemc >> It doesn't even mention anything about proftp |
| 10:48.53 | XSoul | <Gnea> do you read apt-build doc |
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| 10:49.02 | Gnea | XSoul: i asked *you* |
| 10:49.11 | Gnea | don't worry about what i read |
| 10:49.11 | XSoul | <Gnea> apt-build doc |
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| 10:49.15 | Shadowcat | interesting |
| 10:49.20 | vin` | bliss1_: pasted where? |
| 10:49.20 | Gnea | XSoul: what apt-build doc? |
| 10:49.23 | XSoul | <Gnea> but for now the script don't work whell |
| 10:49.24 | Shadowcat | Gnea: PhoenixMan has port 21 and port 80 open |
| 10:49.28 | PhoenixMan | ya |
| 10:49.31 | r3tex | what do i have to dpkg-reconfigure to change the configs for xfree on a default debian 3.1 install? |
| 10:49.32 | Shadowcat | Gnea: wanna bet 21 is anonymous ftp? |
| 10:49.33 | PhoenixMan | acytually |
| 10:49.34 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 10:49.34 | PhoenixMan | I don't |
| 10:49.37 | PhoenixMan | my dad does |
| 10:49.38 | XSoul | <Gnea> what you men. try man apt-build |
| 10:49.43 | PhoenixMan | lolol |
| 10:49.44 | PhoenixMan | hax him |
| 10:49.46 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: your dad is very, very stupid |
| 10:49.48 | PhoenixMan | it'd be classic |
| 10:49.49 | Wyzard | XSoul: You want to recompile every package on your system with optimization settings, while you have only a basic knowledge of how to use the system in the first place |
| 10:49.52 | PhoenixMan | why is he stupid? |
| 10:49.53 | Tagor | petemc >> I get '530 permission denied' |
| 10:49.58 | bliss1_ | vin' http://pastebin.ca/49422 |
| 10:50.02 | Gnea | XSoul: is that all you have read? |
| 10:50.03 | Wyzard | XSoul: And for most applications, optimization doesn't make that much of a difference anyway |
| 10:50.06 | Shadowcat | PhoenixMan: I only need to gain access to one box on the lan to destroy all of it |
| 10:50.12 | bliss1_ | vin' you ok |
| 10:50.14 | PhoenixMan | heh |
| 10:50.17 | PhoenixMan | his PC is the master PC |
| 10:50.19 | PhoenixMan | controls mty PC |
| 10:50.20 | XSoul | <Wyzard> exactly .. what you mane basic ? is an optimization right ? |
| 10:50.20 | PhoenixMan | an dthe router |
| 10:50.20 | r3tex | Wyzard: only debian and bsd people say that |
| 10:50.21 | Wyzard | XSoul: That's why you're wasting your time |
| 10:50.25 | PhoenixMan | go ahead |
| 10:50.27 | PhoenixMan | trake control |
| 10:50.35 | XSoul | <Wyzard> yes but can be optimazed too |
| 10:50.51 | petemc | Tagor: the debian proftpd package should log to auth.log, perhaps theres something you're not telling us |
| 10:50.53 | Wyzard | XSoul: You're talking nonsense |
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| 10:51.07 | XSoul | <Wyzard> : don't comment my time .. look the apt-build info : This is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimized for your architecture by creating a local repository with built packages. It can manage system upgrades too. |
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| 10:51.19 | Eastermeyer | Hi ! I installed Debian the first time and installed gnome with this command "apt-get install gnome xserver-xfree86 x-window-system-core" like it's written in the docs , but if i try to start gnome with "startx" it writes the error "Fatal server Error: failed to initialize core devices". Can someone please help me ? |
| 10:51.23 | Gnea | heh, he's so nervous that he can't type straight :) |
| 10:51.31 | Tagor | petemc >> Like? The auth.log says: server passwd[25305]: (pam_unix) Password for serverbackup was changed |
| 10:51.41 | PhoenixMan | uhm I'm not nervous |
| 10:51.45 | vin` | bliss1_: try ##xen, yet to try it. |
| 10:51.49 | petemc | Tagor: it should also mention failed logins |
| 10:51.55 | Shadowcat | Gnea: if I did choose to own him |
| 10:51.55 | Wyzard | XSoul: apt-build can do that, but doing it for every package on your system just so you can say your system is optimized, is a waste |
| 10:51.57 | Gnea | Eastermeyer: you need to configure your X system first |
| 10:51.58 | PhoenixMan | I'm just too lazy to fix my errors. =P |
| 10:51.59 | Shadowcat | he'd be gone in 10 min |
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| 10:52.07 | Shadowcat | it's not that hard |
| 10:52.11 | Gnea | !tell Eastermeyer about drxx |
| 10:52.15 | bliss1_ | vin' yes but vin are you ok read the pastebin man |
| 10:52.20 | XSoul | <Wyzard> for every or for whole .. look the opctions |
| 10:52.22 | Shadowcat | PhoenixMan: oh and I could flash your bios from within Linux |
| 10:52.26 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: you're a liar, too |
| 10:52.28 | Shadowcat | to make sure your machine NEVER boots up again |
| 10:52.36 | XSoul | <Wyzard> apt-build world |
| 10:52.39 | PhoenixMan | go ahead. |
| 10:53.19 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: what language do you speak again? |
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| 10:53.51 | XSoul | <Wyzard> i don't ask for automatically process btw |
| 10:54.09 | Shadowcat | 21/tcp open ftp Cerberus FTP Server (Personal Edition; Unregistered) |
| 10:54.09 | Shadowcat | 80/tcp open http Apache httpd 1.3.33 ((Win32) PHP/4.3.10) |
| 10:54.10 | XSoul | <Wyzard> i ask for that how to optimaze some packages for example whole xorg for my system |
| 10:54.11 | Shadowcat | ditto |
| 10:54.13 | Eulex | rredd4, umh, never use insmod if you haven't got a very very good reason to. use modprobe. modprobe ndiswrapper. |
| 10:54.15 | Shadowcat | Windows ICS box |
| 10:54.20 | Shadowcat | this is gonna be easy |
| 10:54.21 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 10:54.29 | XSoul | <Wyzard> do you understand me ? |
| 10:54.44 | simonrvn | XSoul: don't bother |
| 10:55.00 | Eulex | XSoul, it's not worth it |
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| 10:55.09 | XSoul | <Wyzard> then for my case apt-build insatall x-window-system will build and install whole xorg . good but |
| 10:55.12 | simonrvn | !gentoosmite XSoul |
| 10:55.21 | XSoul | <Wyzard> what is the correct make and gcc options for this optimization |
| 10:55.36 | Shadowcat | XSoul: here's an idea, RTFM |
| 10:55.42 | Eulex | XSoul, what dpkg did to you sums it up pretty neatly |
| 10:55.44 | Shadowcat | we're not gonna teach you how to use apt-build |
| 10:55.59 | Tagor | petemc >> What I noticed is that the user isn't in /etc/passwd and shadow |
| 10:56.21 | Shadowcat | Eulex: actually if you recompile everything from scratch properly and YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, you can increase performance by 100% |
| 10:56.26 | simonrvn | have fun children, and be good to each other |
| 10:56.30 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> you are very smart . yes I know for RTFM . the first question was . anybody with experiance for optimization of the packages here .. |
| 10:56.36 | petemc | Tagor: did you set up proftpd? is this your box? |
| 10:56.36 | Shadowcat | Eulex: but that assumes that you're not a complete MORON |
| 10:56.43 | Shadur | Shadowcat: Assuming you have the time to keep doing that with each new version, of course. :) |
| 10:56.48 | Tagor | petemc >> yes x 2 |
| 10:56.50 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, well, but he sure does not |
| 10:56.50 | XSoul | <Eulex> sorry I don't understand the question |
| 10:56.53 | Shadowcat | XSoul: I know how to use apt-build, but I'm not gonna teach you how to use it |
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| 10:57.07 | Eulex | !greenhouse |
| 10:57.07 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
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| 10:57.18 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> I don't wanto to teach me . I just ask for experiance . |
| 10:57.30 | Gnea | XSoul: we don't teach people how to use shit here, but we will guide you in the right direction. resistance is futile. |
| 10:57.33 | Storkme | how can i find out about my network interfaces? what's the command? |
| 10:57.33 | Shadowcat | XSoul: and I'm not gonna tell you about my "experiences" either |
| 10:57.43 | petemc | Storkme: ifconfig |
| 10:57.54 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> ok then don't reply . it is easy |
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| 10:58.13 | Shadowcat | XSoul: I'm also not gonna allow you to bug the other about your questions |
| 10:58.15 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> you sharing nothign man .you just can talk . |
| 10:58.19 | Shadowcat | so either go read it |
| 10:58.26 | Storkme | petemc, i tired, no such command |
| 10:58.30 | Shadowcat | or I'm gonna get really un-nice |
| 10:58.31 | Storkme | tried* |
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| 10:58.42 | petemc | Storkme: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 10:58.51 | Gnea | XSoul: www.debian.org - start there, look for developers corner docs |
| 10:58.55 | XSoul | <Shadowcat> now i know that you know what I want to talk about . |
| 10:58.58 | petemc | Shadowcat: are you going to threatan to hax0r him?\ |
| 10:58.59 | Gnea | XSoul: that's all you need to know, for now. |
| 10:58.59 | BuNnYY | how I install XAMPP 1.4.11 for Linux.tar.gz ? |
| 10:59.05 | Shadowcat | petemc: no |
| 10:59.10 | Shadowcat | but I could insult him to no end |
| 10:59.11 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 10:59.13 | XSoul | the idea is . what is the diffrent between the apt-build way and gentoo way |
| 10:59.16 | PhoenixMan | ? |
| 10:59.25 | Gnea | XSoul: EVERYTHING. |
| 10:59.26 | XSoul | i don't want to teach me how to use make and gcc options I can read that |
| 10:59.28 | BuNnYY | how I install XAMPP 1.4.11 for Linux.tar.gz ? |
| 10:59.31 | PhoenixMan | back. |
| 10:59.38 | PhoenixMan | oh yeah |
| 10:59.42 | XSoul | but I don't know what is the different between apt-build and gentoo way |
| 10:59.45 | bliss1_ | vin' which planet are you on at the moment? |
| 10:59.46 | Shadowcat | oh look, PhoenixMan the windows boy is back |
| 10:59.47 | Gnea | !tell BuNnYY about repeat |
| 10:59.49 | PhoenixMan | Shadowcat: your IP, or masked IP, starts with 213 |
| 10:59.58 | PhoenixMan | actually I'm forced to use Windoze |
| 11:00.00 | XSoul | <Gnea> can you explain me the difference |
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| 11:00.08 | PhoenixMan | how else must I play HL2? :( |
| 11:00.09 | Gnea | XSoul: nope. |
| 11:00.11 | Shadowcat | 213.112.95.227 |
| 11:00.13 | XSoul | <Gnea> ok |
| 11:00.13 | BuNnYY | Gnea ? |
| 11:00.14 | Shadowcat | actually |
| 11:00.14 | PhoenixMan | yarr |
| 11:00.16 | danf_1979 | apt is far more mature than portage. Emerge is just tooo slooooow. And dependencies are not well managed in portage |
| 11:00.22 | Gnea | BuNnYY ! |
| 11:00.24 | PhoenixMan | by the way, the computer downstairs is generic XP |
| 11:00.30 | PhoenixMan | my PC is cooler |
| 11:00.40 | Gnea | PhoenixMan: shut up and go somewhere else. |
| 11:00.43 | Shadowcat | PhoenixMan: do us a favor, stop lying |
| 11:00.44 | PhoenixMan | k. |
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| 11:00.51 | Gnea | heh |
| 11:00.52 | Gnea | wow. |
| 11:00.54 | fouldsy | that told him then |
| 11:00.55 | Gnea | it worked |
| 11:01.09 | vin` | bliss1_: watching cricket. |
| 11:01.17 | Shadowcat | Gnea: I think he got scared that I could tell he was running Windows from here |
| 11:01.36 | bliss1_ | vin' ok thats pretty clam stuff |
| 11:01.42 | bliss1_ | calm |
| 11:01.47 | Gnea | Shadowcat: he got scared that i could tell that he was lying |
| 11:01.54 | Shadowcat | Gnea: that too |
| 11:02.15 | bliss1_ | vin' drinking anything? |
| 11:02.37 | vin` | bliss1_: I don't. |
| 11:03.16 | bliss1_ | vin' not even tea or coffee |
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| 11:04.00 | blaheva | Hi |
| 11:04.30 | izn0g | hu |
| 11:05.40 | Dewi | what's the program I can use to crypt a passwd, like in /etc/shadow? |
| 11:06.02 | Storkme | how can i view all my hard drives from the command line? |
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| 11:06.14 | izn0g | dewi: crypt(3) ? |
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| 11:06.29 | Dewi | izn0g: I don't really want to write a C program |
| 11:06.31 | Eulex | Storkme, mount them? |
| 11:06.42 | Dewi | izn0g: there is definitely some util that will do it... I just can't remember the name |
| 11:06.43 | \amethyst | Perl can do crypt(3) |
| 11:06.48 | izn0g | Dewi: perl as well |
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| 11:06.51 | MarcoPau | I'm backupping from a corrupted fs. Do I get fs errors also in the new copy? |
| 11:06.52 | fouldsy | Storkme: fdisk -l ? |
| 11:06.54 | Storkme | Eulex, where can i find them? and how can i mount them automatically at boot? |
| 11:06.58 | \amethyst | or crypt(1) |
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| 11:07.10 | Eulex | Storkme, (1) fdisk -l (2) /etc/fstab |
| 11:07.21 | Storkme | i don't have an fdisk command ;\ |
| 11:07.22 | \amethyst | ah, that doesn't use crypt(3), nm |
| 11:07.50 | Eulex | Storkme, and you mount them with mount (see man mount) |
| 11:07.56 | fouldsy | Storkme, you will :) try as root |
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| 11:08.16 | \amethyst | Dewi: what did you want to do, exactly? |
| 11:08.18 | goron | Is there graph software available for Debian (not GraphViz), which helps in exploring e.g. validity of theorems, etc. (like the normal thing you do on paper)? |
| 11:08.20 | Storkme | ah |
| 11:08.47 | Shadowcat | validity of theorems? |
| 11:08.47 | Dewi | \amethyst: confirm whether a password matches a hash |
| 11:08.59 | Shadowcat | that's more like math software, right? |
| 11:09.07 | fouldsy | Storkme, fdisk will show your drives. as Eulex said, then read man mount and man fstab for mounting them and mouting on boot |
| 11:09.17 | Storkme | Eulex, fouldsy, the hard drive (primary ide slave) i just installed isn't on fstab |
| 11:09.27 | Eulex | Storkme, then add it |
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| 11:09.44 | danf_1979 | Logic |
| 11:09.48 | superlinux | hello all any one who needs a linux help skype mon "ranixlb" |
| 11:09.59 | blaheva | I'm runing debian on a sparc, is it worth me installing the sparc64 kernel? |
| 11:10.01 | bliss1_ | vin' got to go to sainsbury; |
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| 11:10.13 | danf_1979 | goron, I was looking for something like that, but for a programming platform |
| 11:10.20 | Storkme | Eulex, how :| ? |
| 11:10.24 | danf_1979 | Difficult task. |
| 11:10.35 | niteterro | hi im wondering if anyone can help me |
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| 11:10.55 | rredd4 | When I type iwconfig wlan0 I get ESSID:off/any My info says that I should type iwconfig wlan0 essid yourssidgoeshere What is my ssid? |
| 11:11.32 | niteterro | windows xp has written over my mbr, is there anyway i can boot back into the system with the cd??? |
| 11:11.43 | danf_1979 | could be (guessing) session id |
| 11:11.50 | Storkme | Eulex, how can i add the hard drive? |
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| 11:12.05 | fplus | how to properly print sendmail's version? i tried -d0,1 but then it doesn't go back to the shell |
| 11:12.13 | fouldsy | Storkme, what format is the drive? |
| 11:12.19 | izn0g | Storkme: try to read the mount man page, first |
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| 11:12.31 | krassy1809 | I need to stop X server to install NVIDIA driver , but in any runlevel X start ! hi has a link in rcS.d Should i delete the link rcS.d or i have another option ? |
| 11:12.34 | Eulex | Storkme, just add it to /etc/fstab? and read man fstab and man mount |
| 11:12.40 | Eulex | !runlevels |
| 11:12.40 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 11:12.42 | Storkme | fouldsy, ntfs |
| 11:12.53 | Eulex | krassy1809, runlevels in debian are not like on deadrat |
| 11:12.56 | Gnea | niteterro: boot: linux26 root=/dev/hda2 <-- something like that |
| 11:12.57 | \amethyst | Dewi: perl -e 'if(crypt($ARGV[0],$ARGV[1]) == $ARGV[1]) { print "Matched"; 0; } else { print "Failed to match"; 1 }' pw hash |
| 11:13.00 | izn0g | huh |
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| 11:13.06 | Storkme | fouldsy, should i format to ext3? |
| 11:13.11 | fplus | what's the default pop3 server program? |
| 11:13.15 | Eulex | krassy1809, are you running xdm, gdm, or kdm? |
| 11:13.21 | Gnea | fplus: there isn't one. |
| 11:13.24 | fouldsy | Storkme: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs defaults 0 0 |
| 11:13.31 | fouldsy | make sure you have /media/windows created first |
| 11:13.32 | niteterro | thankx |
| 11:13.41 | fplus | Gnea, how would you configure pop3 on linux then? |
| 11:13.41 | \amethyst | err |
| 11:13.49 | Eulex | fouldsy, you won't be able to write to that one as a user |
| 11:13.51 | Gnea | fplus: install a pop3 daemon |
| 11:13.51 | \amethyst | Dewi: sorry, perl -e 'if(crypt($ARGV[0],$ARGV[1]) eq $ARGV[1]) { print "Matched"; 0; } else { print "Failed to match"; 1 }' pw hash |
| 11:13.52 | krassy1809 | Eulex:i think i runing xdm |
| 11:14.01 | Eulex | krassy1809, /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 11:14.07 | fouldsy | Eulex, you'd want to write back to ntfs anyways ;) ? |
| 11:14.20 | Eulex | fouldsy, oh, yeah, that one just hit me... sorry |
| 11:14.24 | fouldsy | np |
| 11:14.30 | fplus | Gnea, what does everyone use? |
| 11:14.32 | \amethyst | Dewi: but the arguments will show up in ps, which might not be a good idea |
| 11:14.36 | Gnea | fplus: different things. |
| 11:14.39 | Eulex | I'm not fully awake yet :) |
| 11:14.44 | \amethyst | Dewi: better to read from stdin, but you can probably manage that |
| 11:14.50 | niteterro | gnea nop kernel panic: vfs |
| 11:14.50 | Gnea | fplus: are you familiar with the apt-cache and apt-get commands? |
| 11:14.56 | Storkme | fouldsy, Eulex, so how can i format this drive (that isn't in /etc/fstab) to ext3? |
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| 11:15.08 | fplus | Gnea, nope |
| 11:15.10 | Eulex | Storkme, mksf.ext3 |
| 11:15.15 | Eulex | *mkfs.ext3 |
| 11:15.16 | Gnea | niteterro: then you need to provide the correct root device, maybe use linux instead of linux26 |
| 11:15.28 | fouldsy | Storkme: what are you wanting to with the drive in the first place? if you format to ext3, windows won't be able to access it |
| 11:15.40 | Storkme | fouldsy, for file storage, on linux |
| 11:15.41 | niteterro | yep root device hda7 |
| 11:15.41 | goron | Shadowcat: Or just for coming up with an answer at first for some instances and later generalize it. Now, e.g. I am finding the number of automorphism classes for a n*n grid graph. |
| 11:15.49 | Eulex | fouldsy, yes it will, if you install special drivers |
| 11:15.53 | niteterro | ok try |
| 11:15.56 | Dewi | \amethyst: okay. Thanks. that seems to work. There's definitely a shell util to do this. |
| 11:16.05 | Dewi | \amethyst: I guess now we'll never know :) |
| 11:16.07 | blaheva | I'm runing debian on a sparc, is it worth me installing the sparc64 kernel? |
| 11:16.16 | Shadowcat | goron: definately sounds like math |
| 11:16.20 | Storkme | blaheva, sure, why not. |
| 11:16.24 | fplus | how to properly print sendmail's version? i tried -d0,1 but then it doesn't go back to the shell |
| 11:16.28 | Shadowcat | you need to look into something like matlab or maple |
| 11:16.30 | danf_1979 | goron, you could use python |
| 11:16.31 | fouldsy | Eulex: wouldn't know, never tried it! wouldn't trust windows to write to a bit of paper, let alone an ext3 drive |
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| 11:16.34 | Gnea | fplus: man apt-get and man apt-cache - basically, apt-get you use to install and remove packages, update and upgrade the entire system, while apt-cache lets you search the package lists |
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| 11:16.50 | Eulex | fouldsy, neither would I. I've got a read-only driver installed in windows. |
| 11:16.50 | petemc | Dewi: mkpasswd, htpasswd |
| 11:16.54 | danf_1979 | aptitude is better |
| 11:17.03 | niteterro | no same error |
| 11:17.06 | Eulex | fouldsy, there is a driver that offers read-write access, though |
| 11:17.14 | Gnea | danf_1979: first things first. |
| 11:17.21 | danf_1979 | Gnea, no need |
| 11:17.25 | danf_1979 | aptitude is better |
| 11:17.34 | fouldsy | Eulex: ah cool. been years since i dual-booted anyways :) |
| 11:17.36 | Gnea | danf_1979: excuse me? |
| 11:17.45 | danf_1979 | for what? |
| 11:17.52 | Storkme | Eulex, how can i find the drive label so i can format it to ext3? |
| 11:17.53 | Eulex | fouldsy, I just dualboot because of games |
| 11:17.57 | Gnea | you say it's better, but you don't explain why or how. |
| 11:18.26 | goron | danf_1979: Every programming language will do, but it won't be Python for me. |
| 11:18.29 | petemc | Gnea: aptitude has more intelligence that apt-get |
| 11:18.31 | fouldsy | Eulex: always a problem :( i turned to pub games instead. that leads you down a whole other path though.... |
| 11:18.37 | Gnea | i've seen aptitude FAIL in the face of apt-get before. |
| 11:18.42 | danf_1979 | Well, you could search google, but ofcourse that is it faaaar more confortable than apt-get, apt-cache, and it manages better dependencies |
| 11:18.42 | Eulex | Storkme, you could check dmesg for the device name, then fdisk -l /dev/hd[abcd] |
| 11:18.46 | danf_1979 | but search google |
| 11:18.49 | danf_1979 | for more info |
| 11:18.51 | Gnea | like, it'll remove shit that shouldn't be removed - fortunately it asks first |
| 11:18.58 | Storkme | Gnea, neither apt or portage are great, but i've heard a lot of knowledgable people saying apt is better |
| 11:19.02 | Gnea | danf_1979: screw that, i've used it before |
| 11:19.30 | Gnea | petemc: more intelligence doesn't mean that it knows how to deal with every possible situation. |
| 11:19.33 | Eulex | Storkme, if that gives an error, you need to create a partition table and partitions on the disk |
| 11:19.56 | nuxil | hey do you guys know of a free speech recognition tool that has the function of exec linux commands? |
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| 11:20.11 | danf_1979 | Gnea, if for some reason aptitude becomes crazy and wants to delete ALL, it was your fault |
| 11:20.12 | petemc | Gnea: well, there was a period when upgrading with aptitude worked where apt-get didnt, also it has more advanced features |
| 11:20.15 | danf_1979 | it is NOT a bug |
| 11:20.25 | Gnea | danf_1979: yeah, for using it in the first place |
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| 11:20.41 | Gnea | danf_1979: it's still a piece of crap in my book. |
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| 11:20.45 | Eulex | !calmdown danf_1979 Gnea |
| 11:20.55 | danf_1979 | If you say so Gnea... |
| 11:21.28 | Gnea | i know the difference between a fresh rose and rank feces. |
| 11:21.37 | Gnea | does aptitude? :) |
| 11:21.44 | Gnea | i rest my case. |
| 11:21.50 | danf_1979 | So you say apt-get is better |
| 11:22.07 | Gnea | hell, wget and dpkg work just fine too |
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| 11:22.54 | danf_1979 | well, your opinion is not widely reflected on others |
| 11:23.09 | danf_1979 | in fact, is the contrary |
| 11:23.33 | jhaig | How can I find what port a process is listening on? |
| 11:23.48 | Gnea | there you go again, stating things without proving them. you are thus an idiot and you are now on /ignore. |
| 11:23.49 | danf_1979 | man netstat |
| 11:24.09 | jhaig | danf_1979: Thanks |
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| 11:24.27 | danf_1979 | Oh, so I am an Idiot for saying that your opinion is not of general acceptance... |
| 11:24.29 | danf_1979 | right... |
| 11:24.31 | danf_1979 | :) |
| 11:25.16 | Dewi | aptitude seems relatively well-accepted in here. It seems less insane than the alternatives. |
| 11:25.18 | keck0f | is there a way to install an X-Server using sid at the moment? |
| 11:25.25 | keck0f | ... on amd64 |
| 11:25.32 | Eulex | keck0f, I doubt it |
| 11:25.43 | Eulex | if you want a working one, that is |
| 11:25.51 | Gnea | Dewi: i don't care if it's accepted by most or not. |
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| 11:26.28 | keck0f | Eulex: could you help me find out what packages to install? (there are missing packages or unsolved depencies) |
| 11:26.34 | wahjava | Hi group |
| 11:26.46 | wahjava | I need some help in packaging python applications ? |
| 11:27.06 | wahjava | The new maintainer's guide is a bit confusing ?? |
| 11:27.14 | wahjava | :-S |
| 11:27.36 | Gnea | Dewi: the fact is, is that aptitude still has issues that apt-get gets around with ease. and sometimes, yes, aptitude can do the job better than apt-get. neither are a catch-all, end-all program. not yet, at least. |
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| 11:28.14 | Eulex | keck0f, no, you have to wait |
| 11:28.20 | danf_1979 | So where are the FACTS in those several statements? Gnea? |
| 11:28.32 | keck0f | Eulex: thanx |
| 11:28.57 | Eulex | keck0f, xorg is b0rked in unstable, there's nothing you could do against it. just wait. |
| 11:29.06 | danf_1979 | Is Gnea a woman? |
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| 11:29.10 | Gnea | danf_1979: personal experience, and constant feedback from this channel and other debian-related forums. |
| 11:29.18 | Gnea | pardon? |
| 11:29.26 | Dewi | danf_1979: what does that have to do with it? |
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| 11:29.36 | keck0f | Eulex: what forum/mailinglist should i watch concering this problem? |
| 11:29.39 | danf_1979 | I was just asking |
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| 11:29.46 | Gnea | danf_1979: why do you want to know? |
| 11:29.54 | danf_1979 | Because of your nick |
| 11:29.59 | danf_1979 | It seems like a woman's nick |
| 11:30.01 | danf_1979 | thats all |
| 11:30.10 | Dewi | Gnea: you have a WOMAN'S nick! |
| 11:30.17 | Gnea | OMFG! |
| 11:30.40 | Eulex | keck0f, the topic in this channel. it has a nice link. |
| 11:30.51 | Gnea | danf_1979: no, i am not a woman, i am a man. |
| 11:30.56 | danf_1979 | Ok |
| 11:31.13 | Dewi | a man with a woman's nick. What is the world coming to? |
| 11:31.21 | keck0f | Eulex: http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 11:31.23 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 11:31.25 | keck0f | Eulex: thanx |
| 11:31.31 | Eulex | keck0f, indeed. yw |
| 11:31.51 | wahjava | What does this man-woman issue has to do with this channel ?? Here we're just debian human users.. Aren't we ?? |
| 11:32.02 | Gnea | wahjava: you are correct. |
| 11:32.08 | Eulex | keck0f, I think X in unstable has more issues than are covered on that page, though |
| 11:32.28 | Dewi | wahjava: YOU might be human. I don't see what business you have throwing accusations like that at the rest of us. |
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| 11:32.45 | Gnea | danf_1979: were you born in 1979? |
| 11:32.51 | danf_1979 | Yes Gnea |
| 11:32.59 | Gnea | same year as my younger sister |
| 11:33.05 | Gnea | she's an idiot, too :) |
| 11:33.10 | wahjava | Why the hell someone asked personal questions on this forum ?? |
| 11:33.33 | wahjava | Anyways any human can explain me packaging of python apps, I'm confused |
| 11:33.35 | Eulex | keck0f, read http://wiki.debian.org/TopicDebianDevel |
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| 11:33.44 | goron | What is strg-alt-fX? |
| 11:34.00 | wahjava | I read New Maintainer's Guide, too |
| 11:34.01 | Dewi | wahjava: I've never met a human who could explain python. :P |
| 11:34.05 | Gnea | wahjava: have you read the Developers Corner at www.debian.org? |
| 11:34.08 | goron | (I get the last two parts) |
| 11:34.11 | danf_1979 | Oh, I didn't know people that prefered better programs are stupid |
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| 11:34.16 | AjiDahaka | so, this debian ... seems not to install header files for the stuff it installs by default. is there a way to change that behaviour? |
| 11:34.20 | Eulex | goron, strg is german for ctrl |
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| 11:34.35 | Dewi | AjiDahaka: what do you mean, header files? |
| 11:34.38 | comsa | , |
| 11:34.42 | Gnea | danf_1979: that is your opinion, not a widely-accepted fact. |
| 11:34.42 | AjiDahaka | Dewi: the -dev packages |
| 11:34.54 | wahjava | Gnea: From there I got directed to New Maintainer's guide |
| 11:34.54 | Dewi | AjiDahaka: just install the -dev packages |
| 11:35.08 | Gnea | danf_1979: and continuing on with this sillieness is also known as trolling, and you will proceed to cease and desist now, please. |
| 11:35.12 | AjiDahaka | Dewi: is there a way to get it to do that automatically for the things that I install and have installed? |
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| 11:35.20 | comsa | :-@ |
| 11:35.27 | Dewi | AjiDahaka: I'm afraid I don't know. |
| 11:35.29 | wahjava | Gnea: I've also seen python policy manual, but..... |
| 11:35.30 | Eulex | AjiDahaka, you probably don't want that |
| 11:35.32 | danf_1979 | It was not an opinion. It was a fact. Read again: I didn't know that blablabla |
| 11:35.35 | AjiDahaka | Eulex: why not? |
| 11:35.40 | xomhau | hi all, what soft foe write blog? desktop blog |
| 11:35.46 | xomhau | s/foe/for |
| 11:35.46 | superlinux | hello all any one who needs a linux help skype mon "ranixlb", bye |
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| 11:35.50 | Gnea | !troll danf_1979 |
| 11:35.54 | Eulex | AjiDahaka, you probably don't want to clutter your system with thousands of packages of which you probably won't use most |
| 11:36.11 | zrin | gordon: strg = ctrl as in Steuerung = Control |
| 11:36.16 | Gnea | wahjava: hrm, have you build a .deb before under any other circumstances? |
| 11:36.20 | Dewi | danf_1979: that fact that you and Gnea won't back down clearly indicates a lack of concensus here. |
| 11:36.22 | wahjava | Gnea: nope |
| 11:36.34 | AjiDahaka | Eulex: so little space, though, the -dev packages ... and it saves me from having to install xorg-dev, zlib1g-dev, libpng12-dev, etc etc ... |
| 11:36.35 | goron | zrin: ty, I know will ever probably remember it. |
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| 11:36.45 | Dewi | danf_1979: and as Gnea says, both apps have failings. It's all about personal preference. |
| 11:36.45 | goron | zrin: er now |
| 11:36.50 | wahjava | Gnea: That's why I'm confused more |
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| 11:36.53 | Eulex | AjiDahaka, I think you'll have to live with it |
| 11:36.56 | goron | zrin: and even.... |
| 11:36.57 | AjiDahaka | Eulex: I'm used to freebsd and while I don't expect debian to always act so sanely as that, I'd like at least devel files ... |
| 11:37.16 | xomhau | anyone, what soft for write blog? desktop blog |
| 11:37.21 | AjiDahaka | could have sworn someone told me about an option for it at some point .. |
| 11:37.36 | zrin | goron: most germans don't know that it's "Steuerung" ... they think it's "String" |
| 11:37.41 | wahjava | xomhau: there are plenty of available in repository |
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| 11:38.05 | wahjava | xomhau: Blog Entry Poster, BloGTK |
| 11:38.06 | Dewi | AjiDahaka: what exactly do you need *every* lib dev version for? |
| 11:38.23 | AjiDahaka | Dewi: so that I don't have to search them out upon build failures |
| 11:38.23 | xomhau | wahjava, thank u |
| 11:38.26 | wahjava | xomhau: What is desktop blog ?? |
| 11:38.32 | AjiDahaka | Dewi: it aids my sanity |
| 11:38.33 | wahjava | xomhau: Is it different from weblog ?? |
| 11:38.46 | Dewi | AjiDahaka: the doco for the package you are installing should tell you what libs it compiles against |
| 11:38.55 | Dewi | AjiDahaka: s/installing/building/ |
| 11:38.58 | xomhau | wahjava, i don't like write on web |
| 11:38.59 | xomhau | :D |
| 11:39.18 | wahjava | wahjava: You mean writing to weblogs from a software ;-) |
| 11:39.21 | wahjava | xomhau: :D |
| 11:39.48 | AjiDahaka | Dewi: right, so let's say that I'm compiling against libzlib, I know that going into the compile, but then I have to google around to find out that zlib1g-dev is the package with libzlib's zlib.h |
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| 11:40.15 | goron | AjiDahaka: you just don't know all the tools. |
| 11:40.22 | goron | AjiDahaka: Use apt-file |
| 11:40.47 | Eulex | AjiDahaka, ant apt-cache search |
| 11:40.47 | goron | AjiDahaka: it does not completely solve it, I know. |
| 11:40.57 | Eulex | *and |
| 11:41.09 | Dewi | AjiDahaka: isn't it usually the same package name, but iwth -dev ? |
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| 11:41.12 | goron | AjiDahaka: but you could write a program which automatically decides it. |
| 11:41.16 | AjiDahaka | goron: ah, awesome ... way for them not to include that in the base system :p |
| 11:41.18 | AjiDahaka | goron: thanks :) |
| 11:41.28 | zrin | what is again this nice command called that can be used to check swapping? |
| 11:41.58 | AjiDahaka | Dewi: not in the case of zlib, at least... zlib vs. zlib1g-dev |
| 11:42.15 | berzerka | zrin: free? |
| 11:42.27 | rredd4 | Eulex when I type iwlist wlan0 scan I can see this --> ESSID:"NETGEAR" When I type iwconfig wlan0 essid myssid What do I type in the myssid part? |
| 11:42.34 | AjiDahaka | err zlibc, rather .. but yeah |
| 11:42.42 | zrin | berzerka: no, to check swap-in / swap-out traffic |
| 11:42.54 | Eulex | rredd4, NETGEAR |
| 11:42.58 | goron | AjiDahaka: Most people create package listings for themselves. You just have to learn once. |
| 11:43.06 | berzerka | zrin: no idea, sorry.. |
| 11:43.14 | goron | AjiDahaka: It's in the Debian Reference, I think. |
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| 11:43.44 | AjiDahaka | so little hard disk space used ... |
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| 11:43.47 | AjiDahaka | so much convenience |
| 11:44.09 | Gnea | zrin: what kind of traffic? |
| 11:44.09 | goron | AjiDahaka: Why don't you select all dev packages then? |
| 11:44.32 | zrin | Gnea: swapping in/out |
| 11:44.33 | AjiDahaka | goron: like all in the entire system? like apt-get install '*-dev'? |
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| 11:44.49 | rredd4 | Eulex iwconfig wlan0 NETGEAR Error : unrecognised wireless request "NETGEAR" I get the same error with netgear in quotes too |
| 11:44.50 | goron | AjiDahaka: yes |
| 11:44.52 | Gnea | zrin: of WHAT?! |
| 11:45.01 | zrin | Gnea: memory. virtual memory |
| 11:45.05 | danf_1979 | goron, why do you need to do something like that? |
| 11:45.07 | AjiDahaka | goron: wouldn't that install _all_ of the -dev packages like even the stuff I don't have installed? |
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| 11:45.27 | goron | AjiDahaka: in that case you filter some stuff out. |
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| 11:45.35 | Gnea | zrin: top, vmstat |
| 11:45.35 | AjiDahaka | heh ... |
| 11:45.39 | phretor | hello there |
| 11:45.41 | goron | AjiDahaka: If you are a "developer" then you should be able to write it. |
| 11:45.44 | Gnea | zrin: vmstat is best |
| 11:46.07 | AjiDahaka | goron: didn't say I was a developer, certainly not one that wants to wrestle with a package management system ... |
| 11:46.07 | goron | AjiDahaka: I believe the credo in #debian is don't whine, but write. |
| 11:46.08 | danf_1979 | goron, you just don't need -dev packages unless you're a developer or another packages need another dev package to work |
| 11:46.08 | Gnea | i run it like this: vmstat 1 |
| 11:46.26 | zrin | Gnea: thank you |
| 11:46.28 | goron | danf_1979: Don't tell me things I know, ty. |
| 11:46.29 | phretor | any SciTE user has wondered where preference panel is located? |
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| 11:46.53 | danf_1979 | Then why do you want to do such a thing? |
| 11:47.17 | goron | danf_1979: I don't want to do anything. |
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| 11:47.27 | goron | danf_1979: Do you? |
| 11:47.37 | AjiDahaka | danf_1979: I think you probably mean me |
| 11:47.38 | Gnea | danf_1979: pay attention, it's AjiDahaka that wants to install every bloody -dev package in the distro |
| 11:47.51 | kurumin | es do brazil |
| 11:47.58 | Cocodude | I'm having issues with Debian unstable and the nvidia-glx/nvidia-kernel packages. dselect tells me 'nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756' but 'nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756 does not appear to be available' (I can see nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756-4 available though). Am I doing anything wrong? |
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| 11:48.00 | Gnea | !br |
| 11:48.00 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: not every one in the distro, just the ones relevant to the packages I have installed |
| 11:48.00 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:48.09 | danf_1979 | right, AjiDahaka |
| 11:48.15 | rredd4 | what is the xxx part of this command? iwconfig wlan0 key restricted XXXXXXXXXX |
| 11:48.22 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: that's easy enough... |
| 11:48.39 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: please, do tell? |
| 11:48.57 | fouldsy | rredd4: your wep key as set on your access point |
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| 11:49.04 | danf_1979 | He's bluffing |
| 11:49.18 | AjiDahaka | Cocodude: I found it to be fine to just sh Nvidia's run file ... |
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| 11:49.56 | Cocodude | AjiDahaka: I've had strange issues with that before so I'm trying to do things the proper 'debian way' |
| 11:50.09 | AjiDahaka | Cocodude: oh, gotcha. have fun with it. |
| 11:50.19 | AjiDahaka | Cocodude: but I didn't see a kernel for it yet |
| 11:50.19 | Cocodude | Heh |
| 11:50.19 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: welcome to the real world. |
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| 11:50.42 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: well this could probably be refined, but: for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'`; do j=`echo $i`; apt-cache search "$j" "\-dev"; done |
| 11:51.12 | Gnea | danf_1979: your mom. |
| 11:51.22 | Cocodude | AjiDahaka: There is a kernel in there (I think it's for .15) but I'm confused as to why nvidia-glx can't find it. Is it because of the very slight version number difference (kernel is 1.0.8756-4 but nvidia-glx wants 1.0.8756) |
| 11:51.25 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: well, I'm trying debian because I had some friends tell me that on linux, a package-based distribution system was decreasing their development turn-around time as updates were less painful and thus syncs to updated dependencies was easier |
| 11:51.46 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: they are correct. |
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| 11:52.20 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: but chasing down -dev dependencies certainly seems like a lot of overhead compared to my FreeBSD experience where things "just work" |
| 11:52.55 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: so why aren't you using FreeBSD? Oh yeah, it's too much like gentoo. |
| 11:53.20 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: I am using freebsd, but we had a customer request that we add linux as a supported platform |
| 11:53.40 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: we are hoping that it's worth the trouble, but thankfully haven't committed ourselves to it yet |
| 11:53.45 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: you tread some pretty thin ice, my friend. :) |
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| 11:54.07 | AjiDahaka | yeah, dangerous to add another platform, I know |
| 11:54.32 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: my advice would be to become familiar with the apt commands, intimately. |
| 11:54.32 | Cocodude | Could someone that uses nvidia-glx, after resyncing, confirm that "apt-get install nvidia-glx" fails? |
| 11:55.08 | AjiDahaka | Cocodude: it did here as of 3 hours ago |
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| 11:55.17 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: the whole system may seem very klunky and foreign, and rightly so, but it is very elegant and efficient in many respects |
| 11:55.34 | Cocodude | AjiDahaka: OK thanks. Is it worth filing a bug for this? |
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| 11:55.44 | Gnea | Cocodude: for sarge, etch or sid? |
| 11:55.55 | Cocodude | Gnea: The unstable one |
| 11:56.14 | Gnea | !+info nvidia-glx |
| 11:56.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:56.17 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8756-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3206 kB, Installed size: 10540 kB |
| 11:56.28 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: it seems like it would be okay for "consumer use" but for development it seems very unwelcoming |
| 11:56.32 | Cocodude | Yeah, that's the one |
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| 11:57.00 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: so no setting that can go in a config somewhere that gives the intended behaviour, huh? :p |
| 11:57.03 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: you will find that debian does not adhere to commercial license of any form in any way. |
| 11:57.16 | Cocodude | Gnea: "The following have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8756 but it is not installable" |
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| 11:57.52 | Gnea | Cocodude: yikes - and i was going to an upgrade today |
| 11:58.04 | Cocodude | Gnea: Hehe |
| 11:58.18 | goron | AjiDahaka: FreeBSD Just Works? Could you elaborate on that? I used it for 9 months, but although the system of course works, the packages did not always compile all, which then required user-intervention. Far from ideal. |
| 11:58.31 | AjiDahaka | Gnea: I think I'll try out gentoo and see if that works any smoother for my purposes. thanks for your help. you've been very kind. |
| 11:59.01 | Gnea | AjiDahaka: gentoo does not have a package management system - it's all source that downloads and compiles on-the-fly (and lots of it) just like freebsd. |
| 11:59.28 | Cocodude | Gnea: Surely Gentoo does have a package management system, just that it compiles stuff before installing it? |
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| 11:59.36 | AjiDahaka | goron: huh, I haven't really run into any need for user-intervention in *ponder* 4 years of heavy use of it. occasional failures on newly updated packages, but usually a sync with the cvs tree fixed that right up |
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| 12:00.37 | Gnea | Cocodude: if you want to tinker and have fun and waste lots of time, gentoo rocks |
| 12:01.01 | AjiDahaka | Cocodude: or if you have a spare build-cluster sitting around ;) |
| 12:01.09 | Ireul | please help, my X gone after upgrade (sid) :/ |
| 12:01.09 | langseth | AjiDahaka: you just like to have a reasone to rip on linux distros don't you ? :) |
| 12:01.19 | AjiDahaka | langseth: yo! |
| 12:01.20 | Gnea | !bts |
| 12:01.20 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 12:01.38 | AjiDahaka | langseth: didn't know you hung out here. |
| 12:01.50 | Cocodude | Gnea: You're right that you do have to tinker lots (but I quite like that - I've learnt lots about Linux from it :)) but I don't feel it really waste ages of your time. |
| 12:01.57 | langseth | eh, been lurking for a couple of days. |
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| 12:03.04 | Ireul | kdm.log reports (EE) MGA(0): [drm] Failed to map DMA buffers list |
| 12:03.14 | Gnea | Cocodude: good point - i tinkered a lot with slackware back in the day, too :) |
| 12:03.36 | Gnea | i even ran freebsd for a few months |
| 12:03.42 | AjiDahaka | langseth: is that job that doughboy mentioned the same as the one randomtask was talking about? |
| 12:03.46 | Cocodude | Hardcore :) |
| 12:04.48 | goron | AjiDahaka: you mean the kernel, or also the ports? |
| 12:04.58 | Gnea | no, hardcore was finding out the hardway just how badly the Redhat Package Management system really sucked some hairy ass by replacing 90% of a running rh4.2 system with compiled source ;) |
| 12:05.09 | AjiDahaka | goron: both, though the ports have a higher failure rate |
| 12:05.17 | AjiDahaka | bbiab - walk |
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| 12:06.02 | Cocodude | Blimey, now that is hardcore :) |
| 12:06.11 | malune | is it stupid to install unstable packages on a stable server? -- there are certain packages that i'd like to use that aren't available in stable |
| 12:06.22 | goron | AjiDahaka: For me the failure rate was too high (I have a lot of packages). Debian has new binaries, FreeBSD does not. |
| 12:06.54 | AciD | my company provided me a laptop on which I have admin access, but I ought to keep the windows on it :( What the _easyiest_ (and free) way to intall a debian on it, and being able to use X programs while running both OSes ? (Like vmware) |
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| 12:07.38 | Gnea | AciD: resize your windows partition and create some new partitions for debian (using partition magic or something similar) |
| 12:07.45 | priscila | AciD: use cygwin on windows .. |
| 12:09.46 | Cocodude | AciD: Does Debian provide a Xen hypervisor kernel? Might be worth checking that out so you get some good performance out of Linux running within Windows |
| 12:10.03 | AciD | Gnea > if I do that, how could I run windows as the host system (I _must_ use m$ as the host system) and debian application in that case ? |
| 12:10.25 | AciD | priscila > cygwin won't provide me the power I usually have in Debian ;p |
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| 12:10.43 | Gnea | Cocodude: looks like there isn't a bug report for that one yet - i would install reportbug and get on it :) |
| 12:10.50 | AciD | Cocodude > dunno, I never really looked in Xen and stuff, googling |
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| 12:11.03 | fplus | what's the difference between restarting and rehashing a service? |
| 12:11.15 | Gnea | AciD: just install vmware in windows, create virtual filesystems for vmware and install debian in that :) |
| 12:11.16 | Eulex | Gnea, doesn't the sarge installer do ntfsresize? |
| 12:11.19 | priscila | AciD: i think cygwin runs debian .. |
| 12:11.32 | Gnea | Eulex: i wouldn't trust it. |
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| 12:11.46 | Cocodude | Gnea: Cool, will do - thanks (debcheck appears to have noticed it - http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sid&package=nvidia-graphics-drivers ) |
| 12:12.08 | Eulex | Gnea, I wouldn't trust partition magic. it b0rked my linux partition just a few days ago. |
| 12:12.20 | Gnea | fplus: restarting requires stopping, then starting the process (it gets a new process id [pid]) and rehashing is sending a HUP signal to the process, causing it to reinitialize itself |
| 12:12.26 | AciD | Eulex > there is a gparted livecd around, really handy |
| 12:12.49 | Gnea | Eulex: you must have done something wrong with it - PM can screw things up if you haven't read enough about it |
| 12:13.11 | Eulex | AciD, that sounds good. I'll try it out next time. |
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| 12:13.19 | fplus | Gnea, what does HUP signal really means? |
| 12:13.31 | fplus | mean* |
| 12:13.33 | Gnea | priscila: does cygwin boot up a whole linux kernel? |
| 12:13.46 | Gnea | fplus: man kill, look for the -HUP switch |
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| 12:14.22 | fouldsy | i'd 2nd gparted, AciD. not just for resizing ntfs partitions either. good disc to carry around! |
| 12:14.23 | fplus | Gnea, means the service restarts but retains its original pid? |
| 12:14.29 | priscila | AciD: http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 12:14.46 | Gnea | fplus: yes. |
| 12:14.54 | AciD | priscila > cool |
| 12:14.56 | Eulex | Gnea, well, it stopped half into a resize of the linux partition, stating that some inode was corrupt. and it left the fs half-done. couldn't even mount it. |
| 12:15.23 | Eulex | guess I should have fscked it before I resized it, but pm shouldn't just leave it like that anyway |
| 12:15.41 | Dewi | is there an image viewer that comes with basic gnome or kde installs? |
| 12:15.49 | Gnea | priscila: that's not really production-grade... cool, nonetheless |
| 12:15.53 | Dewi | I just want to check an image on a remote server |
| 12:16.03 | Eulex | Dewi, eog? |
| 12:16.28 | Gnea | Eulex: was it ext2, ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 12:16.38 | Dewi | Eulex: hmm. nah, don't have it. Might just use a browser. |
| 12:16.56 | fplus | Gnea, i thought rehashing means reading the config file again..? |
| 12:17.03 | Eulex | Gnea, ext3 |
| 12:17.27 | Gnea | fplus: if the program has the instruction to accept -HUP as a function to re-read the config file, then yes |
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| 12:18.28 | Gnea | Eulex: ah yes, see, you obviously did NOT read up on it before using it - ext3 is just a journal on top of ext2 - you'd need to first disable the journal on the partition, fsck it, then resize it - PM isn't going to interact through the journal properly |
| 12:18.47 | Eulex | Gnea, ah, I didn't know that |
| 12:18.50 | Gnea | Eulex: later on, you could re-activate the journal |
| 12:19.10 | Eulex | Gnea, been resizing ext3 with pm successfully before, though. |
| 12:19.39 | Gnea | Eulex: before screwing with an ext3 fs, i would highly recommend running tune2fs on it first |
| 12:20.21 | Eulex | Gnea, heh, ok. I'll try that next time. |
| 12:20.30 | Gnea | Eulex: good luck :) |
| 12:20.37 | Eulex | Gnea, thank you :) |
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| 12:23.20 | blaheva | i have both the sparc32 + sparc64 kernel installed |
| 12:23.33 | blaheva | i get errors when trying to boot the sparc64 kernel |
| 12:23.40 | blaheva | depmod related |
| 12:23.44 | blaheva | any advice? |
| 12:24.46 | robhu_ | I've downloaded the DVD isos of testing amd64 but when I'm installing it it still asks for and seems to rely on accessing a mirror.. My network card doesnt work which is why I downloaded the DVD in the first place. Is there some magic thing I need to type in to tell it to use the DVD? |
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| 12:25.08 | ChrisW | mornin' :-) |
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| 12:25.34 | ChrisW | how doI control what group ownership and permissions are given to files created by a certain user? |
| 12:25.38 | ChrisW | (root in this case...) |
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| 12:27.30 | robhu_ | I assumed I'd just put it in and it would use the DVD by default |
| 12:28.19 | krassy1809 | Where is normaly in Debian to place kernel-sources tree ? |
| 12:29.02 | robhu_ | I think all the people who know enough to help are away at the moment |
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| 12:33.37 | tremor | hello * |
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| 12:36.01 | tremor | i'm looking for an overview of kernel-supported wireless pcmcia cards. does someone know such a page, which lists those cards? |
| 12:36.36 | ekkikrist | Check the kernel documentation itself... probably give you a better idea of what's in there |
| 12:37.01 | tremor | i had a look in the sources, but there are only the chipsets named |
| 12:37.03 | tazman | Having issues with snmpd on etch, running debug I see it send start up traps but when I poll it I see nothing, only message I get is cannot open /proc/net/snmp6 , need V3 :-( |
| 12:37.23 | Eulex | tremor, I usually choose a few network cards, then google for them and see if people have gotten it to work in linux |
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| 12:37.36 | ekkikrist | tremor: Ah... well you can sort of figure out things with that info and the output of lspci -v if you have the hardware installed. |
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| 12:37.59 | Eulex | ekkikrist, I think he's pondering what to buy |
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| 12:38.27 | tremor | eulex: you're right ;) |
| 12:38.29 | ekkikrist | well, I can suggest orinoco gold "classic", although it is "only" 802.11b it works for me! |
| 12:38.48 | tremor | atm i use a dlink dwl-g650+ card with ndiswrapper |
| 12:38.54 | ekkikrist | gags |
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| 12:39.08 | tazman | with newer kernel and wpa_supplicant the Linksys works fine foe mr |
| 12:39.09 | tremor | but ndiswrapper stops working with the new kernel 2.6.16 |
| 12:39.20 | tazman | ndiswrapper is poop |
| 12:39.25 | tremor | a get the card only working up to 2.6.12 |
| 12:39.49 | tremor | ekkikrist: thank you, i'll have a look at this |
| 12:40.00 | tremor | ;) |
| 12:40.48 | tremor | so i know, that the revision A of the dlink card, that i have, works fine, but especially i have a revision b |
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| 12:41.24 | tremor | tazman: and what special model of linksys? |
| 12:42.40 | tremor | so the rev. a had a atheros-chipset, but the rev. b uses a ti-chipset .. tnet1130 .. not supported atm by the kernel self |
| 12:43.07 | tazman | WPC54GS Ver 2 |
| 12:43.14 | tremor | thank you |
| 12:43.40 | Acridian | how i can un zip .tar.gz file? |
| 12:43.56 | tremor | tar xzf filename.tar,gz |
| 12:44.05 | tremor | oops |
| 12:44.09 | tremor | s/,/. |
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| 12:44.30 | Acridian | tremor: thanks =) |
| 12:45.02 | tremor | if you want to see extracting, add an 'v': tar xzvf filename.tar.gz |
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| 12:49.18 | spiral | hello |
| 12:49.31 | spiral | does anyone here know if kxdocker should be updated someday in sid ? |
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| 12:54.10 | AjiDahaka | back |
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| 12:56.29 | k31th | Guys, anyone recomend a guide for apache ssl ? |
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| 12:57.55 | nkuttler | k31th: the docs at apache.org are good |
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| 12:59.33 | markit | dist-upgrade made X unable to start ... sigh |
| 13:00.19 | markit | has this error be aknowledged by packager and will be fixed? |
| 13:00.21 | markit | rmdir: /usr/X11R6/bin: Directory not empty |
| 13:00.22 | markit | x11-common postinst error: Could not remove /usr/X11R6/bin. Is not yet empty |
| 13:00.45 | markit | I have removed that dir manually and re-issued dist-upgrade... was it a good or bad idea? |
| 13:01.26 | Eulex | markit, when upgrading to xorg 7.0? |
| 13:02.07 | markit | Eulex: I did it yesterday, and worked fine. today another set of xorg 7.0 packages have become available, and I have got that error |
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| 13:02.27 | Eulex | markit, hmm, ok |
| 13:03.06 | tremor | also got this message, but no problems with it. X is working fine here. |
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| 13:03.22 | Eulex | markit, you should read http://wiki.debian.org/TopicDebianDevel and http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable anyway |
| 13:04.06 | markit | Eulex: can-t find anything about it there |
| 13:04.14 | spiral | lol |
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| 13:05.10 | markit | tremor: I have |
| 13:05.12 | markit | [12:45] <markit> Fatal server error: |
| 13:05.13 | markit | [12:45] <markit> could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 13:05.14 | Eulex | markit, nope, but xorg 7.0 is in any case generally b0rked right now. |
| 13:05.35 | markit | also xprint have been removed, that I dont think is a good idea |
| 13:05.51 | sonorous | hi, i'm trying to do a ./configure but it's failing saying "configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check". I can't quite see why |
| 13:05.57 | sonorous | google is proving fruitless |
| 13:06.27 | cahoot | sonorous: you have build-essentials installd? |
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| 13:08.07 | sonorous | cahoot: no change |
| 13:08.24 | sonorous | still the same error |
| 13:08.33 | cahoot | sonorous: look at the config.log |
| 13:09.06 | sonorous | cahoot: what exactly am I looking for? |
| 13:09.21 | cahoot | sonorous: or better still look here: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 13:10.10 | wahjava | Is there any documentation on how to package python apps in Debian ?? |
| 13:10.32 | sonorous | cahoot: I don't understand what you're getting at. I am not touching debian packages? |
| 13:10.53 | infernix | wow. "Something wicked happened resolving 'non-us.debian.org:http' (-3)". |
| 13:11.01 | infernix | thats a first. what does it all mean? ;) |
| 13:11.06 | cahoot | sonorous: but you want to compile for use on debian? |
| 13:11.16 | infernix | apt-get update tells me that. |
| 13:11.55 | cahoot | sonorous: might as well do it 'the debian way' then |
| 13:11.59 | SrBUG | somebody knows other driver drv_via ? |
| 13:12.25 | sonorous | cahoot: it's for an ircd, seems like a lot of effort when I was rather hoping of finding a solution to this issue |
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| 13:14.48 | tremor | nice day to all, cu |
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| 13:18.10 | kimo | I'm promoting Linux usage. My Windows friends hitme with the level of integration between MS-AD/ISA/Exchange ... , Frankly, I don't know if it's possible yet to acheive such integration with Linux systems. Any advice? |
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| 13:18.21 | SrBUG | Debtor to all for no aid. |
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| 13:18.58 | PlayBoy | qq |
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| 13:20.28 | asg | kimo: OpenLDAP + Squid + {Postfix,Exim,Sendmail,qmail} (these are all pretty standard.) It really is based on what your Windows friends mean by 'integration' |
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| 13:22.08 | kimo | asg: things like allowing internet access to users who r in a certain ldap group & such! any project/guide on acheiving a truly centralized user management on Linux (withing a finite amount of time :) |
| 13:23.35 | initech | kimo: yes it's possible of course, but it takes more work to set up in linux, since linux distributions tend to be generic and more flexible than windows |
| 13:24.00 | asg | kimo: here's an example of 'Exchange/AD' integration we've been dealing with at work. We would like to have all voicemail from our MCS system placed in a 'Voice Mail' folder in each user's Exchange mailbox, creating the folder as needed. This is apparently easily accomplished especially if you have a clustered Exchange system. Quotes we've got from integrators are around the $25,000 range with no guarantees. This is something I can do in |
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| 13:24.15 | initech | kimo: it's perfectly doable to have a linux distro that was entirely ldap oriented, for e.g. |
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| 13:24.20 | asg | s/easily/not easily/ |
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| 13:24.54 | kimo | initech: do u have any examples ? |
| 13:25.08 | carramba | hi. What is the easiest way to close a bug? I am reporter and would like to clean up my bugs which are either invalid, fixed-in-upstream or duplicate. I am not very familiar with BTS commands and do not want to break things. From the other side - reportbug does not offer needed functionality. Any suggestions? |
| 13:25.24 | initech | kimo: ? almost everything can be tied into ldap. what about that do you not understand? |
| 13:25.41 | asg | kimo: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/squid_ldap_auth.8.html (and many other potential solutions) |
| 13:25.45 | kimo | initech: sorry.. I thought u said some distros were out to achieve that |
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| 13:26.38 | initech | kimo: not that I know of, but such a thing will have demand at some point, as ubuntu, for example, does as a desktop |
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| 13:27.10 | kimo | does anyone have any idea would it better to use windbind or ldap to authenticate on Win2003 AD ? |
| 13:27.40 | kimo | hell or kerberos |
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| 13:28.20 | asg | kimo: we use libpam-krb5 (note it requires sarge or later for 2k3) |
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| 13:28.22 | initech | ldap will require some work on the windows side (I don't think ldap will work by default). winbind in my experience, is a piece of shit |
| 13:28.25 | asg | carramba: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#closing |
| 13:28.28 | k31th | n a default deb install. Where do iput the apache ssl certs? |
| 13:28.32 | initech | but it does work (sometimes) |
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| 13:28.57 | kimo | initech: I do agree ... I hate winbind ... I installed SFU on Windows (and ldap seems cool now) |
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| 13:29.54 | carramba | asg: thx |
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| 13:30.12 | zed | hi, i have a problem with the new xfs... may someone help me ? |
| 13:30.17 | kimo | initech: did u have to integrate Linux with Win2003 AD? if so plz tell me ur PAM NSS choice |
| 13:30.40 | k31th | Anyone ? |
| 13:30.45 | jengelh | noone? |
| 13:30.53 | initech | k31th: /etc/apache-ssl, or if you like /etc/apache-ssl/certs |
| 13:31.06 | k31th | initech: thansk |
| 13:31.12 | cast | more of a firehol question but i can't find much documentation. if i wanted to make firehol [uh, iptables] log to /var/log/firewall.log is it nontrivial? i can edit syslog.conf but i don't know the selector field |
| 13:31.36 | kimo | cast: look for -j LOG |
| 13:32.52 | kimo | what would u guys recommend for a (free) replacement groupware mail/calender/... suite |
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| 13:33.22 | cast | kimo: in iptables? i see what the target does, but it only mentions 'kernel log' |
| 13:33.41 | asg | kimo: for how many users? |
| 13:33.49 | petemc | cast: you might need ulog to log to arbitrary locations |
| 13:33.50 | kimo | asg: 1000 ? |
| 13:34.07 | oldman | !udev |
| 13:34.07 | dpkg | somebody said udev was at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 13:34.08 | spoopin | asg: hi |
| 13:34.09 | asg | kimo: look at Zimbra's Free version. |
| 13:34.09 | kimo | cast: I just use --log-prefix & grep that :) |
| 13:34.10 | asg | spoopin: morning |
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| 13:34.23 | kimo | asg: thnx |
| 13:34.24 | robhu_ | I've downloaded the dvds of amd64 testing but it doesnt seem to install off the dvd - it wants to connect to the net still. Is there something I need to do to make it install from the dvds? |
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| 13:34.31 | spoopin | asg: gimme a call if you have a sec.... |
| 13:34.34 | asg | spoopin: k |
| 13:34.43 | cast | roger. /me ponders |
| 13:35.13 | Bac0n | someone known what kernel CONFIG_HZ is best for a server ... |
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| 13:35.51 | Bac0n | 100...250...1000 |
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| 13:37.38 | Eulex | Bac0n, I don't think it matters much for a server |
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| 13:38.09 | Bac0n | ok |
| 13:38.24 | Bac0n | what is it for ? |
| 13:38.59 | petemc | Bac0n: if you dont know what it is, why do you think you need to alter it? |
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| 13:39.36 | asg | Bac0n: it supposedly allows you to get better realtime performance for desktops. Leave it at its default for servers. |
| 13:39.48 | k31th | Im following a doc form debain-administration.org However i cant seem to get this to work! Im trying to enable ssl for apche basically it tells me to 'include the directives for this site" Now am i correct in thinking it wants me to enter them into the httpd.conf file ? |
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| 13:40.09 | k31th | If i enter them i get an error 'SSLEngine on' errors for a start |
| 13:40.11 | asg | k31th: it depends on your version of Debian |
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| 13:40.28 | asg | k31th: also, you need to install libapache-mod-ssl if you just installed the apache package. |
| 13:40.37 | curt | This might be better at #bash or #php but I am going to ask it anyway. :) I want to run a php script in a cron job and the script requires that it be run from a certain directory or I don't get the right include files. Is there a way to do "php file.php" from the command line and have it executed as if i where in the right place? |
| 13:40.44 | intx | I can't seem to find the kernel configuration option for the S3 86C775 video card |
| 13:40.50 | k31th | asg: im running sarge |
| 13:41.26 | asg | k31th: then /etc/apache/http.d or a custom file in /etc/apache/conf.d |
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| 13:41.39 | Bac0n | a friend thinks he needs to change it say it will not make any different ... i need to find an ansewer to it to convice him |
| 13:41.41 | asg | curt: cd /path/to/foo ; php foo.php |
| 13:41.47 | Bac0n | i |
| 13:42.14 | k31th | asg: nice i needed that package, I think that was it (well its restarted) :D thanks |
| 13:42.22 | curt | asg I can do that in the bash script for the cron? |
| 13:42.33 | curt | asg well that would be easy |
| 13:43.12 | asg | Bac0n: http://www.linuxrocket.net/index.cgi?a=MailArchiver&ma=ShowMail&Id=342414 (see the comments in the kernel source code) |
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| 13:44.43 | Bac0n | thanks |
| 13:45.16 | idP | hi |
| 13:45.31 | idP | hmm |
| 13:45.34 | idP | /l |
| 13:45.45 | asg | idP: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:47.28 | kimo | asg: zimbra looks damned hot :) thnx |
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| 13:48.02 | asg | kimo: we looked at it for our student system but I can't afford to scale it to 170k mailboxes :) |
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| 13:48.55 | kimo | wow 170k!! |
| 13:49.02 | kimo | what do u currently use ... |
| 13:49.13 | asg | kimo: cyrus-imap + squirrelmail |
| 13:49.20 | kimo | :) |
| 13:49.33 | Noboru | if i want to assign permission on a database in mysql |
| 13:49.46 | magyar | ahoy, I am looking for the package that contains xorg's modules for "mouse" "keyboard" and "vesa" |
| 13:49.51 | Noboru | i should run 'use databasename' or 'use mysql' as root before that ? |
| 13:50.00 | asg | kimo: most of those accounts are forwarded to offsite mailboxes though so storage isn't that bad. They wanted to bring all accounts in-house which would require many TB of space. |
| 13:50.04 | kimo | asg: did u test it & did it not scale ? |
| 13:50.29 | asg | kimo: we didn't test it. Research on their forums showed that a single server could support only about 2500 mailboxes. |
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| 13:50.47 | kimo | ahh |
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| 13:50.59 | kimo | no too good |
| 13:51.03 | asg | kimo: for our setup, that would require approximately 100 blades which we don't have the budget for this year. |
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| 13:51.48 | asg | kimo: though for 1000 accounts, it should work just fine. |
| 13:51.56 | Eulex | !tell ESPOiG`AWAY about away |
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| 13:52.37 | kimo | asg: cool ... it's really good. I only knew about egroupware |
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| 13:52.50 | Noboru | kimo, -_- |
| 13:52.51 | magyar | anyone using xorg7? |
| 13:52.59 | asg | yes |
| 13:53.00 | aubergine | does anyone know how i can scan my hole hdd with clamav? |
| 13:53.10 | asg | aubergine: clamscan / ? |
| 13:53.23 | magyar | asg do you know which package contains the drivers? |
| 13:53.23 | Sn3f3ru | if you use kde use klamav |
| 13:53.59 | aubergine | asg: fine |
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| 13:54.33 | aubergine | ----------- SCAN SUMMARY ----------- |
| 13:54.33 | aubergine | Known viruses: 51002 |
| 13:54.33 | aubergine | Engine version: 0.88.1 |
| 13:54.33 | aubergine | Scanned directories: 1 |
| 13:54.33 | aubergine | Scanned files: 0 |
| 13:54.33 | aubergine | Infected files: 0 |
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| 13:54.52 | aubergine | hups sry |
| 13:55.10 | aubergine | asg this is my problem ... |
| 13:55.13 | asg | aubergine: sorry, try clamscan -r / |
| 13:55.25 | asg | aubergine: man clamscan (see the 'recursive' bit) |
| 13:55.52 | asg | magyar: each driver has now apparently been split out to its own package. |
| 13:56.32 | intx | where's the man page for /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 13:56.42 | aubergine | ok |
| 13:56.46 | asg | intx: apt_preferences(5) |
| 13:56.53 | intx | thanks |
| 13:57.18 | asg | intx: for future reference, 'apropos <keywords>' is helpful for finding such things |
| 13:57.35 | magyar | asg i cant startx it complains about missing modules for mouse keyboard etc, but i have xserver-xorg-input-all installed |
| 13:58.00 | magyar | asg sid |
| 13:58.09 | asg | magyar: try reconfiguring it 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
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| 13:58.28 | magyar | asg roger |
| 13:58.38 | phretor | anyone has successfully used Xgl on Debian? |
| 13:58.46 | asg | magyar: also, check the bts for any relevant packages. |
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| 13:59.12 | Noboru | linux is very complicated thus here most of them use windows to do webhostings |
| 13:59.51 | jbroome | what? |
| 13:59.59 | bartlebee | what? |
| 14:00.16 | danf_1979 | What? |
| 14:00.21 | asg | sto eta? |
| 14:00.25 | Eulex | !linuxisnotwindows |
| 14:00.25 | dpkg | [linuxisnotwindows] http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm |
| 14:00.29 | Eulex | Noboru, ^^ |
| 14:00.45 | Noboru | i know |
| 14:01.29 | Eulex | Noboru, you may read it too |
| 14:02.08 | k31th | Is it possible to run two apache servers from one box ? one with ssl one without ? |
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| 14:02.11 | intx | I can't get my apt/preferences file to work properly :/ |
| 14:02.24 | garo | which file should I use to save my firewall configuration ? Does debian have a default name for this ? |
| 14:02.35 | intx | I have the following lines: Package |
| 14:02.39 | Noboru | Eulex, i know :) |
| 14:02.48 | intx | I have the following lines: Package: * \n Pin: release o=selinux.alioth.debian.org \n Pin- |
| 14:02.49 | asg | garo: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* (there are several options and recommendations) |
| 14:02.51 | intx | dammit |
| 14:02.52 | intx | :p |
| 14:03.01 | dionisos | any fucker here ? |
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| 14:03.16 | asg | dionisos: sorry, they are in #shell |
| 14:03.30 | intx | I have the following lines: Package: * \n Pin: release o=selinux.alioth.debian.org \n Pin-Priority: 900 \n (\n being an actual new line) - for some reason, it still prefers the original |
| 14:03.48 | stew | 4/lastlog stew |
| 14:03.54 | stew | err |
| 14:03.56 | intx | here is the release file: http://selinux.alioth.debian.org/sesarge/Release |
| 14:03.57 | asg | stew: oops |
| 14:04.05 | enkrypt | since I upgraded to the newest Xorg 7 everything has gone AWOL on my laptop. how can I go back to good old Xorg 6.9 ? |
| 14:04.05 | aubergine | asg: is it normal that clamscan with parameter -r / hangs in /dev? |
| 14:04.05 | lopuz | When I'm trying to startx, it says: "could not open default font: 'fixed'" |
| 14:04.18 | lopuz | how do i fix this? |
| 14:04.33 | asg | aubergine: honestly, I don't know. I've never run it to scan a whole system, usually just a mail quarantine directory |
| 14:04.39 | freeone3000 | lopuz: apt-get install x-server-system |
| 14:04.58 | dionisos | scanning a book page with a flatbed scanner is inconvenient (edges wont be scanned well, book spine is damaged, etc) do you know any good way to scan pages from books ? thanks |
| 14:05.04 | asg | lopuz: install xfonts-base |
| 14:05.08 | stew | aubergine: it could take a long time to scan all of /dev/zero |
| 14:05.19 | jbroome | or /dev/random |
| 14:05.20 | lopuz | freeone3000: no such package |
| 14:05.47 | lopuz | asg: xfonts-base is newest version |
| 14:06.02 | asg | dionisos: unless you have a free floating scanner and a steady hand, the only way is to break the spine and separate the pages. |
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| 14:06.50 | Rez | or use a book-scanner |
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| 14:07.46 | asg | lopuz: purge it and reinstall |
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| 14:07.55 | garo | asg: thanks |
| 14:07.59 | asg | garo: you're welcome |
| 14:08.03 | Karat3 | hm... how complex is the formula used to encrypt something with a gpg key? |
| 14:08.09 | enkrypt | does anyone know that the latest Xorg packages (7.0.11) totally break X? I cant even run startx anymore, cause it doesnt find "X" !! |
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| 14:08.43 | asg | Karat3: look at Applied Cryptography for a full treatment. You could always just browse the source for gpg |
| 14:08.49 | Trixor | Hi! :D - Could anyone help me with a tiny task? I would like to send a command to another window/console like screen, could this me done with a simple echo? |
| 14:08.53 | cast | Karat3: umm. you mean how complex is RSA||ELG and AES? look for yourself, rsa/elg are simple..aes is more involved but still not all that complicated |
| 14:09.12 | cast | Karat3: wikipedia will address all that :> |
| 14:09.21 | asg | Trixor: echo foo > /dev/pts/X |
| 14:09.31 | _rene_ | enkrypt: they don't. works here. if something doesn't find "X" it probably hardcodes it and expects in being in /usr/X11r&/bin |
| 14:09.35 | sphenxes | I would like to use a wireless card that works natively with debian, no wrapper, ... etc. any suggestion please |
| 14:09.40 | asg | Trixor: where X is the number of the pts that identifies the window. |
| 14:09.48 | asg | Trixor: you can also use 'write' and 'wall' |
| 14:09.49 | lopuz | asg: i still get the same error |
| 14:09.53 | _rene_ | enkrypt: which it thankfuzlly isn't anymore but as every normal thing under /usr/binm |
| 14:09.57 | enkrypt | _rene_: that "something" is called startx ... |
| 14:09.57 | _rene_ | /usr/bin |
| 14:10.01 | stew | sphenxes: get one that is prism based |
| 14:10.07 | XoR_ | does anyone today install kde or mysql-server-5.0 on debian/testing ??? |
| 14:10.11 | _rene_ | startx works fine here. with the new x.org |
| 14:10.18 | _rene_ | anyway, welcome in sid :-P |
| 14:10.24 | enkrypt | _rene_: version 7.0.11 ? |
| 14:10.27 | Trixor | asg: My pts is a screen, can it still be done? |
| 14:10.31 | asg | lopuz: well, with the recent X changes, I'm not surprised. Try reconfiguring X (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) or removing and reinstalling X completely. |
| 14:10.36 | _rene_ | I said sid, I mean sid. |
| 14:10.41 | _rene_ | if I say sid, I mean sid |
| 14:10.41 | stew | sphenxes: or the ipw2200 cards now have mainline kernel support but still require a non-free binary firmware blob to be in /lib/firmware |
| 14:10.41 | enkrypt | k |
| 14:10.46 | sphenxes | stew, thanks, |
| 14:10.47 | freeone3000 | I have no glx. None. At all. |
| 14:10.50 | freeone3000 | How can I get some? |
| 14:10.58 | lopuz | asg: ok, i will try. thanks |
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| 14:11.25 | asg | Trixor: yes |
| 14:11.32 | XoR_ | sid packages works fine, but etch - doesn't install depends :( |
| 14:11.58 | stew | XoR_: huh? what depends dont' install? |
| 14:12.11 | XoR_ | kde and mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:12.30 | stew | XoR_: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 14:12.39 | idP | hi |
| 14:13.00 | Trixor | asg: How do i know which pts i shouyld send to? There is 4 listed? |
| 14:13.21 | asg | Trixor: that's the rub :) run 'tty' in each window to see which it is |
| 14:13.30 | idP | anyone knows where hosts/ips are cached, and how I can check if it is working or it.. ?? |
| 14:13.35 | lopuz | asg: simple question, how do i remove X without removing every program which depends on X? |
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| 14:13.57 | stew | lopuz: remove x11-common and xfree86-common |
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| 14:14.29 | lopuz | stew: when i try apt-get remove x11-common, it wants to remove a LOT |
| 14:14.31 | asg | Trixor: 'ps aux' can also give you some hints as to what is running on each pts |
| 14:14.40 | stew | lopuz: yup |
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| 14:15.01 | bingo | Hi where is the debian bug list please? |
| 14:15.15 | lopuz | stew: including every application which requires X |
| 14:15.17 | stew | lopuz: if you really want to remove just the server and not all the libraries that go with it then remove xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:15.36 | lopuz | hm |
| 14:15.40 | stew | bingo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:15.56 | lopuz | well, i guess i'll survive with removing all x-apps. |
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| 14:16.09 | stew | lopuz: why do you want to remove x in the first place? |
| 14:16.17 | lopuz | its borked |
| 14:16.18 | john_doe | can I somehow prefer one dhcp to use from another? |
| 14:16.26 | lopuz | if you read above |
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| 14:16.41 | stew | lopuz: you need to fix your config |
| 14:16.55 | stew | lopuz: likely your fontpaths are pointing to the wrong place |
| 14:17.41 | lopuz | ok, thanks |
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| 14:17.46 | lopuz | too late now, though :P |
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| 14:18.10 | stew | lopuz: or if you are not going to run x anymore, you probably don't need the x apps |
| 14:18.33 | lopuz | well, the idea was to reinstall X and all its libraries |
| 14:18.43 | stew | lopuz: you don't have to remove it to reinstall it |
| 14:19.16 | freeone3000 | Does anyone have an idea on how to get GLX working? It blackscreens and kills x as soon as I try something with it. |
| 14:19.21 | john_doe | it's weird. On my newly installed debian system, I keep getting an ip from a useless dhcp server. On my other machines, another server is responding first. I see the right server is also responding to my debian system, but it chooses to use another one. How can I change this? |
| 14:19.27 | stew | freeone3000: what driver are you using? |
| 14:19.33 | lopuz | stew: ok, but i have already done it. someone told me to do it earlier |
| 14:19.35 | freeone3000 | stew: nvidia's current. |
| 14:19.38 | sfullenwider | what's the right xserver for a Radeon graphics card? |
| 14:19.56 | stew | sfullenwider: whichever one "x-window-system-core" installs |
| 14:19.59 | eleckttruss | hi |
| 14:20.01 | freeone3000 | sfullenwider: Meh. They're pretty much the same. |
| 14:20.10 | Trixor | asg: Here is the delema... - I would like to send at command "quit" to the screen, but it does'nt execute the command, just writes it in the console.. Any ideas? |
| 14:20.13 | stew | sfullenwider: or do you mean driver? |
| 14:20.20 | _rene_ | ati (and/or radeon, where radeon just uses "ati", so told me) |
| 14:20.38 | AjiDahaka | I use radeon on radeons |
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| 14:21.17 | asg | Trixor: is this a screen(1) screen? |
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| 14:21.42 | asg | Trixor: or just an xterm or console? |
| 14:21.43 | john_doe | ok, let me ask about another way of solving it. How do I configure my gateway? I tried with route but I didn't succeed. I want 192.168.1.1 to be my gateway to the internet. |
| 14:21.45 | bingo | is there any problem with xorg 7 in sid? |
| 14:21.49 | Trixor | asg: Yeah... It's a screen... |
| 14:21.53 | freeone3000 | bingo: Well. |
| 14:21.55 | freeone3000 | bingo: Just a few. |
| 14:21.57 | stew | john_doe: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:22.13 | stew | !drxx sfullenwider |
| 14:22.14 | dpkg | sfullenwider: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:22.22 | john_doe | stew, thanks |
| 14:22.33 | freeone3000 | !xmd5 |
| 14:22.33 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 14:22.43 | asg | Trixor: oh, I don't know off the top of my head in that case. There might be a control character you could send to cause it to terminate but I don't know offhand. |
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| 14:23.08 | asg | Trixor: you might try #screen |
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| 14:23.17 | sfullenwider | I did that. |
| 14:23.40 | lopuz | stew: (EE) failed to load module evdev, keyboard, mouse |
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| 14:23.51 | Trixor | asg: It's not the screen i would like to shutdown, its the "dedicated TTD" server that runs within..? |
| 14:23.54 | AjiDahaka | I'm having the evdev problem currently, actually |
| 14:24.04 | bingo | freeone3000, someone tells me to not install xorg 7 on my sid, is it true? |
| 14:24.11 | magyar | anyone managet to get xorg7 running on sid? |
| 14:24.21 | avtobiff | i think i have |
| 14:24.23 | asg | Trixor: oh, then probably just send a -SIGHUP to the pid of the TTD server |
| 14:24.33 | stew | lopuz: oh, on unstable? |
| 14:24.50 | stew | lopuz: install xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
| 14:24.53 | asg | Trixor: or kill $(pidof <process>) |
| 14:25.04 | magyar | avtobiff how did you do it? |
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| 14:25.21 | avtobiff | hmm.. just apt-get upgraded |
| 14:25.24 | avtobiff | + |
| 14:25.25 | any | Hi. |
| 14:25.28 | any | Is there a way to list all the installed packages by size ? |
| 14:25.30 | avtobiff | crap... ? |
| 14:25.51 | dvm1981 | Hi guys, there is every time someone that talk to me in prv. How can i lock that? |
| 14:25.53 | Trixor | asg: Yeah, that works.. - But what if i would like to execute a command with in the dedicated server (console), like "newgame" - When i use the echo command, the command shows, but does not execute it-self.. |
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| 14:26.03 | stew | any: yes, you can get that info from grep-dctrl |
| 14:26.11 | jbroome | dvm1981: /ignore nick |
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| 14:26.44 | dvm1981 | jbroome: Work that also for in private room. I not know from where are that guy... |
| 14:26.57 | freeone3000 | dvm1981: Yes. |
| 14:27.02 | Gnea | dvm1981: /ignore nick all <-- covers everything |
| 14:27.03 | Karat3 | cast: how many lines of c would be required to encrypt or decrypt something with gpg? |
| 14:27.04 | any | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 14:27.25 | dvm1981 | jbroome, freeone3000 Gnea : Thanks :-) |
| 14:27.36 | asg | Karat3: probably not many if you use the gpg library functions instead of re-inventing the wheel |
| 14:27.37 | Karat3 | asg: how many lines of c would be required to encrypt or decrypt something with gpg? |
| 14:27.45 | Acridian | i started my computer when computer start to load grub there comes error 17...what i can do? (i'm sorry about my bad english)... |
| 14:27.46 | Karat3 | :) |
| 14:27.52 | Gnea | !tell Karat3 about repeat |
| 14:27.56 | mango | hi every one, i was trying to install the ipw2100 driver /module for my wireless card on a 2.6.8-2-686 kernel running debian an ibm x31. when I run module assistance I get this message: Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! ....any clues please |
| 14:27.56 | Karat3 | jaja |
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| 14:28.02 | stew | Karat3: apt-get source gnupg |
| 14:28.09 | Gnea | Karat3: think you're funny? |
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| 14:28.20 | izn0g | mango: get the kernel-headers package |
| 14:28.22 | Karat3 | you think so? |
| 14:28.30 | Gnea | i asked you first. |
| 14:28.36 | cast | Karat3: the answer should be apparent from the gpg source, as folk have suggested |
| 14:28.37 | asg | Karat3: libcrypt-gpg-perl (for probably a much quicker way) |
| 14:28.40 | JohnP789 | How do I get my usb 6-in-1 card reader to see all the slots? It reads CF but not SD. I think it's the LUN problem. |
| 14:28.55 | Karat3 | asg: true... but maybe i want to port it to a native app to run on non unix |
| 14:29.10 | stew | mango: as long as kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 is installed you can ignore that warning |
| 14:29.12 | Gnea | JohnP789: it's more likely there's some dust in there, or you're not using it right |
| 14:29.25 | Gnea | JohnP789: what method are you using to read the SD card? |
| 14:29.31 | stew | Karat3: then you are off-topic for this channel |
| 14:29.35 | JohnP789 | Gnea, Doubt it. It works on another Linux box. (Ubuntu) |
| 14:30.04 | Karat3 | ok |
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| 14:30.26 | Gnea | JohnP789: more to the point: are you plugging cards in before plugging it into the usb port itself, or are you trying to plug them in while it's plugged into the usb port? |
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| 14:31.09 | JohnP789 | Gnea, I've tried it both ways. Both the CF LED and the SD LED come on when I plug in the cards. |
| 14:31.30 | JohnP789 | But, plugging in an SD card doesn't cause anything to show up in dmesg. |
| 14:31.32 | Gnea | JohnP789: yes, and how does linux react? what kernel are you running? |
| 14:31.35 | stew | JohnP789: does anything useful show up in dmesg or /var/log/syslog whne you plug in the cards? |
| 14:31.52 | Gnea | JohnP789: ok, but you want to plug the cards in first, then plug the reader into the usb slot |
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| 14:32.11 | Gnea | JohnP789: it won't work if you plug them in while the reader is plugged into the port |
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| 14:32.27 | stew | it wont? |
| 14:32.31 | Gnea | it won't. |
| 14:32.34 | stew | why not? |
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| 14:32.40 | asg | Gnea: it's worked for me |
| 14:32.51 | Gnea | it must be the reader then |
| 14:32.51 | stew | i'd have to crack my case open to disconnect my cardreader |
| 14:32.55 | Gnea | it doesn't work for me |
| 14:33.00 | Gnea | i've tried 2 different readers |
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| 14:33.13 | saad3000 | hello,how do I setup an external monitor, am on laptop? |
| 14:33.14 | stew | works for me on 3 different readers |
| 14:33.22 | mango | Stew I think that the kernel package is installed , I can see it on synaptic package manager |
| 14:33.27 | Gnea | stew: we're talking usb here |
| 14:33.36 | asg | saad3000: generally, you plug the monitor in and toggle the LCD/CRT button |
| 14:33.42 | asg | Gnea: mine's usb |
| 14:33.46 | JohnP789 | OK. Tried putting in only the CF card, then plugging it in, then I see the CF card on LUN 0. |
| 14:33.56 | saad3000 | asg: I did this,toogle thing, but nothing happened. |
| 14:34.07 | Gnea | JohnP789: sometimes it takes awhile for linux to see the rest of the cards |
| 14:34.11 | stew | mango: you should be good to go. note that you need to get firmware for your card from ipw220.sf.net and put it in /lib/firmware before its going to work |
| 14:34.15 | asg | saad3000: check tuxmobile.org for your model, it might not work for your laptop. |
| 14:34.16 | stew | Gnea: me too |
| 14:34.22 | saad3000 | oke 10x |
| 14:34.26 | Gnea | like i'll plug mine in and it'll find the CF right away, but it takes a little longer to detect the SD |
| 14:34.38 | Gnea | but it always detects it, everytime |
| 14:34.46 | stew | Gnea: 2 of my cases have card readers that wire directly to the usb headers on the mb |
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| 14:35.18 | Gnea | stew: i can unplug it and plug it into any computer |
| 14:36.02 | mango | stew: I do not have a directory under lib called firmware, but i have one under /usr/lib/hotplug/ |
| 14:36.20 | stew | mango: yeah that works too |
| 14:36.22 | jnc | the /usr/lib/hotplug dir is depreciated (I think?) |
| 14:36.24 | Gnea | i swear it must be the reader's chipset and the way the driver talks to it |
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| 14:36.31 | stew | jnc: not in sarge |
| 14:36.34 | jnc | ohh |
| 14:36.40 | stew | jnc: actually not at all |
| 14:36.41 | mango | Stew: But I get nothing on my wireless lan |
| 14:36.44 | thug_life | i need help with my video? |
| 14:36.47 | Gnea | because the kernel will detect that something new is there, but the new information isn't passed along |
| 14:36.51 | jnc | it never worked for me with sarge |
| 14:36.56 | Gnea | thug_life: you do? |
| 14:37.05 | mango | stew: when I type iwconfig no wireless card is found |
| 14:37.10 | thug_life | i cant see no video online |
| 14:37.18 | Gnea | well that sucks |
| 14:37.22 | jnc | i had to use /lib/firmware or the firmware was not usable at boot, may be due to my use of partitions though |
| 14:37.25 | thug_life | i know |
| 14:37.27 | stew | mango: modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; and look at dmesg and see what it prints |
| 14:37.31 | thug_life | can u help me? |
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| 14:37.50 | Gnea | !tell thug_life about ask |
| 14:37.51 | stew | jnc: yeah but hotplug runs after your partitions are mounted so that doesn't matter, if you are running udev then you need it on / |
| 14:38.01 | Gnea | thug_life: please ask appropriately, then you will be helped. |
| 14:38.24 | JohnP789 | If I put the SD card in the reader, then plug it into the USB port, the CF slot shows up in /proc/scsi/scsi but it's not mountable (since there's no CF card). |
| 14:38.40 | JohnP789 | /proc/scsi/scsi never shows more than on lun. |
| 14:38.47 | JohnP789 | s/on lun/one lun/ |
| 14:38.57 | Gnea | JohnP789: but you do get 6 new /dev/sd* files? |
| 14:39.19 | JohnP789 | Gnea, my /dev/sd* aren't dynamic for some reason. |
| 14:39.20 | stew | JohnP789: do you run udev? |
| 14:39.32 | Eclipser | ... |
| 14:39.32 | lopuz | stew: ok, now im back to where i started. it says: could not open font element path unix/:7000 |
| 14:39.34 | Gnea | JohnP789: so what kernel version? cat /proc/version |
| 14:39.54 | stew | lopuz: what does "dpkg -l xfs | tail -1" print? |
| 14:39.55 | Gnea | ,,, |
| 14:39.55 | JohnP789 | 2.6.12 |
| 14:40.02 | Eclipser | any recommendations? :p |
| 14:40.08 | JohnP789 | (From Knoppix 4.0.2.) |
| 14:40.09 | Gnea | Eclipser: freshmeat.net |
| 14:40.20 | bingo | if I install xorg 7 on my sid, it will broke my system? |
| 14:40.20 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 14:40.20 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 14:40.43 | stew | Eclipser: for composing, rosegarden4, for synth timidity, hydrogen is a nice drum machine that you can later import into rosegarden |
| 14:40.47 | JohnP789 | Sought help in #knoppix. No help there. |
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| 14:41.19 | Gnea | welp, i don't know why it isn't dynamic, can't help ya out, sorry. |
| 14:41.25 | stew | JohnP789: your questions are off-topic here. try #knoppix later, or try a knoppix mailing list |
| 14:41.29 | JohnP789 | OK, thanks. |
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| 14:41.37 | lopuz | stew: rc xfs 1.0.1-4 X font server |
| 14:41.48 | mango | stew: modrobe ipw2100 comes up with thi s message FATAL: Module ipw2100 not found. |
| 14:42.06 | stew | mango: you have a 2200 not a 2100, right? |
| 14:42.26 | stew | lopuz: then its not suprising. that path isnt' found becuase xfs isn't installed |
| 14:42.35 | lopuz | hm |
| 14:42.44 | stew | well time for me to try the xorg7 business |
| 14:42.48 | mango | stew : no i have a 2100 |
| 14:42.50 | john_doe | stew, your link guided me through, thank you. But how do I prefer one dhcp server to another? |
| 14:42.52 | Eclipser | stew, etch hydrogen looks a lot better than what Iremembered from sarge :) |
| 14:43.04 | Eclipser | stew, I never really liked rosegarden though, but I'll try it again |
| 14:43.11 | lopuz | stew: when i try to install it, it says that it depends on some packages which may not be installed |
| 14:43.26 | lopuz | stew: libfs6 and libxfont1 |
| 14:44.34 | cast | hmm, what would be the console [as in logged in with ssh] equiv of xconsole? |
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| 14:45.47 | cast | nvm. silly question. cat /dev/xconsole |
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| 14:46.48 | bingo | please can you explain me what is the problem with xorg7 on sid? |
| 14:47.09 | elirips | hello people. i would like to use my greec-keyboard. But if I do a 'setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout gr -variant basic' I get a 'Error loading new keyboard description'. Anyone knows what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 14:48.16 | CAiRO | is someone using perl panel? how can i adjust the width of the panel? i use xinerama and i want the panel to be only on one screen? |
| 14:48.26 | mango | stew: it is a ipw2100 any clues please |
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| 14:50.58 | stew | X -version -> X Window System Version 7.0.0 |
| 14:51.02 | stew | \o/ |
| 14:51.10 | gravity | \o/ |
| 14:51.30 | asg | asg@rob:~$ X -version |
| 14:51.30 | asg | X Window System Version 7.0.0 |
| 14:51.33 | jsmidt | I am trying to reconfigure X since it doesn't work whether I install Etch or Sid. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but have know Idea what parameters to put where. |
| 14:51.35 | asg | \o/ |
| 14:51.36 | gravity | Yay! |
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| 14:52.01 | asg | gravity: the only issue I had was the movement of /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc and the artwiz fonts being in the wrong place. Easily fixed. |
| 14:52.20 | stew | gravity: i had to pull in driver packages for my card/kbd/mouse i'm guessing that is expected, and the font paths changed from /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /etc/X11/fonts |
| 14:52.52 | stew | well i also had to dist-upgrade and apt-get -f install like 5 times in order to get everything upgraded, but i don't think that is the fault of xorg |
| 14:53.12 | jsmidt | My stuff is Widescreen XGA with Trubright Technologhy. Graphics Media Accelerator 950 and 8MB-128MB dynamically allocated shared graphics memory. |
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| 14:53.28 | stew | mango: do did you have problems running m-a a-i ipw2100? |
| 14:53.28 | gravity | Yeah, a lot of people reported that they needed to run apt a lot of times. I don't know where the bug is there |
| 14:53.33 | gravity | It's a complicated upgrade though. |
| 14:53.35 | asg | stew: I always dist-upgrade on sid |
| 14:53.37 | gravity | Lots of pre-depends and conflicts |
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| 14:53.53 | asg | gravity: actually, it went flawlessly here. Not apt-get -f installs at all, just a single dist-upgrade |
| 14:53.54 | gravity | Still if I could minimize that I'd like to |
| 14:53.58 | stew | asg: yeah me to, but i only do it on saturday mornings, and not every so mine is out of date |
| 14:53.59 | asg | s/Not/No/ |
| 14:54.01 | gravity | asg: Cool. That's good to hear |
| 14:54.18 | asg | stew: ah, okay. I do it daily because 'Danger' is my middle name |
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| 14:54.25 | XenReborn | ok i got a good one for you guys |
| 14:54.32 | stew | asg: yeah i don't becuase "lost wages" isn't mine :) |
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| 14:54.52 | XenReborn | i add user accounts adding useradd, i use passwd to set their passwords, then i try to log in with them and i can't... why could this be ? |
| 14:54.55 | asg | stew: this is my laptop, I can always boot into FreeBSD if I bork things too bad :) |
| 14:55.33 | stew | lopuz: you don't want to install xfs, remove the :7100 font path, you may need to change your font paths from /usr/lib/X11/fonts to /etc/X11/fonts, ls /etc/X11/Fonts for a list of directories to put in the FontPaths |
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| 14:56.10 | lopuz | ok thanks |
| 14:56.10 | XenReborn | noone knows :( |
| 14:56.18 | stew | gravity: nice work, btw, thanks |
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| 14:56.23 | asg | gravity: seconded |
| 14:56.32 | gravity | Thanks :-) |
| 14:56.48 | asg | XenReborn: well, are you logging in via console, ssh? What does /var/log/auth.log say? |
| 14:56.54 | gravity | Daniel Stone did a ton of the early work, I just made sure things were in ok shape for Debian |
| 14:57.00 | XenReborn | i'm logging in ON the local machine |
| 14:57.27 | stew | gravity: OMG Lolz` where is teh compix xgl how to i get true transparancy and more fps !!1 |
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| 14:57.46 | john_doe | If I want to reuse all user and group setup from an earlier system, what should I copy over? /etc/{passwd,passwd-,shadow*,group*}? Will all UID's and passwords then be the same as on the earlier system? |
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| 14:57.56 | gravity | stew: I want to get that working too, but I've got to finish this part first |
| 14:57.59 | gravity | And update all the other stuff |
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| 14:58.04 | gravity | New evdev driver! |
| 14:58.15 | asg | john_doe: that depends on if the new system's uids map to the original ones. |
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| 14:58.19 | dkingdsan | wenas |
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| 14:58.21 | phycho | hey guys |
| 14:58.24 | XenReborn | asg: it says authentication failure but doesn't say why, it wouldn't even allow me to enter the password for teh account it just said "invalid login" |
| 14:58.26 | phycho | anyone know where i can get debootstrap? |
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| 14:58.31 | john_doe | asg, oh yes, I see |
| 14:58.40 | phycho | a binary that will work on slackware |
| 14:58.47 | stew | gravity: yeah, if it wasn't clear, i'm kidding and don't care. i'm on a 6 year old graphics card |
| 14:58.47 | john_doe | so can I somehow update that? |
| 14:58.57 | asg | phycho: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 14:59.12 | phycho | k |
| 14:59.22 | john_doe | asg, I mean can usermod maybe scan the new files and map from that information? |
| 14:59.52 | john_doe | asg, but if none of the users exist on the new system now? |
| 14:59.53 | XenReborn | asg: no clue ? I don't get why and its a major problem... |
| 15:00.00 | sphenxes | I have asked for a wireless NIC and got the answer that I should use one that contains prism chipset. However, I have googled, yahoo, Linksys home page but I can't find any information for a wireless card that use a prism chipset. any help is appreciated |
| 15:00.07 | robhu_ | I'm trying to get 2.6 amd64 on my system using debootstrap but after downloading the basic packages it says "failure trying to run: chroot /mnt mount -t proc proc /proc" ... I can't find anytihng on google to suggest what the problem might be :/ The base OS is debian i386 testing |
| 15:00.10 | asg | XenReborn: did you modify /etc/security/access.conf? |
| 15:00.28 | gravity | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7466666104246770991&q=jetpack&pl=true |
| 15:00.52 | asg | john_doe: in that case, you just have to create the home directories for each user, cp /etc/skel/.* to each and chown each to the correct user. |
| 15:01.38 | john_doe | asg, you mean after copying over the 6 files, I mentioned? |
| 15:02.06 | asg | john_doe: yes. You will likely have to cook up a script to do it unless you want to do it by hand but it shouldn't be too hard. |
| 15:02.31 | asg | john_doe: depending on your security requirements, you might only want to merge user accounts only, not the root or system accounts. |
| 15:02.37 | john_doe | asg, that's great, I reuse the /home disk :-) |
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| 15:02.53 | john_doe | asg, I see |
| 15:02.58 | asg | john_doe: yeah, then just copy and merge the bits that aren't root and system users. |
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| 15:03.53 | any | Where can I get a list of installed packages ? there is some not installed packages in /var/lib/dpkg/info/. |
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| 15:04.21 | asg | any: dpkg -la | egrep ^[hi]i |
| 15:04.32 | any | thank you. |
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| 15:05.24 | asg | any: if you just want the names instead of the other cruft, just append "| awk '{print $2}'" to the above one-liner |
| 15:06.29 | any | dpkg -la | awk '{print $2}' ? |
| 15:07.09 | any | Why do I need the egrep ^[hi]i ? |
| 15:07.34 | asg | any: because you might have 'removed but not purged' packages, some in broken states, etc. |
| 15:07.44 | any | oh, ok. |
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| 15:08.02 | asg | any: also that remove the top for header lines of the output |
| 15:08.05 | asg | s/for/four/ |
| 15:09.49 | AjiDahaka | bah! broke xorg :( |
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| 15:10.01 | AjiDahaka | keeps saying "cannot find font fixed" |
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| 15:10.30 | stew | gravity: should we create a page on wiki.d.o to document common 6.9->7 problems? |
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| 15:10.53 | asg | stew: either there or the #debian wiki |
| 15:11.31 | AjiDahaka | stew: is this one of them? |
| 15:11.31 | stew | asg: i can't create pages there |
| 15:11.51 | asg | stew: oh, just ask tarzeau to create an account for you. Or I will if you wish. |
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| 15:11.58 | stew | tarzeau: ^^^ |
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| 15:12.41 | stew | AjiDahaka: ls /etc/X11/fonts ; you will probably need to change some FontPaths that are pointing to /usr/lib/X11/fonts to point to /etc/X11/fonts |
| 15:12.42 | gravity | stew: Please! |
| 15:13.07 | AjiDahaka | stew: ah, thanks :) |
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| 15:13.33 | stew | gravity: ok i'm on it. |
| 15:14.01 | gravity | stew: Rock, thank you. |
| 15:14.05 | tarzeau | asg: what account? |
| 15:14.11 | gravity | stew: I really want to make the XSF homepage on the wiki. I just haven't had time yet |
| 15:14.12 | tarzeau | asg: you do it? debian faq wiki? |
| 15:15.09 | stew | gravity: huh, xorg isnt' listed in CurrentTransitions? |
| 15:15.22 | gravity | stew: I guess not |
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| 15:15.26 | gravity | Feel free to add it |
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| 15:15.58 | tombs | hi all |
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| 15:16.21 | robhu_ | Is there an AMD64 kernel in testing? I cant find one in apt... I'm using i386 though... I want to install a amd64 kernel |
| 15:16.47 | cbr | robhu_: no there isnt |
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| 15:17.03 | j4vi | i can't log in my ftp remotely but localy yes, the router port 21 is open, could be iptable? |
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| 15:17.22 | robhu_ | cbr: Is there a way to install a amd64 kernel on here safely? |
| 15:17.33 | cbr | i dont know |
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| 15:18.16 | tkinias | hola -- I'm having trouble with my CPU (Pentium M) stepping down to 1/3 speed for power conservation (even though the laptop is on AC power) and then not going back up without a reboot -- kernel 2.6.15 |
| 15:18.37 | john_doe | I forgot the name of the terminal program where I can manage which services that should run at different runlevels. The program I want gives an overview where I can select the wanted services/runlevels with the space button... |
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| 15:20.05 | jbroome | rcconf? |
| 15:20.08 | jetscreamer | !runlevels |
| 15:20.08 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 15:20.16 | bingo | please I have just one question, is it a good idea to do a apt-get upgrade now or is it better to wait that xorg7 bugs will be solve? |
| 15:20.24 | jetscreamer | wait wait wait |
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| 15:20.48 | AjiDahaka | it's "exciting" to do it now ;) |
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| 15:21.13 | bingo | jetscreamer, how can I know when bugs are solve? |
| 15:21.14 | tkinias | jetscreamer, I've not been keeping up -- is this a sid issue or testing too? |
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| 15:21.24 | john_doe | dpkg, I think it's sysvinit :-) I know about update-rc.d |
| 15:21.40 | tkinias | john_doe, dpkg is a bot |
| 15:21.47 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 15:21.47 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 15:22.03 | jetscreamer | tkinias: sid afaik, no idea about testing |
| 15:22.03 | bingo | <blootbot> |
| 15:22.14 | jetscreamer | !blootbot |
| 15:22.14 | dpkg | i guess blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 15:22.16 | pngwn | heh |
| 15:22.20 | john_doe | tkinias, I'm lost |
| 15:22.51 | john_doe | tkinias, but it's ok, I'm used to that |
| 15:22.56 | Toltry | when i load hushmail, a java aplet is opened to merely type in the password |
| 15:23.02 | Toltry | is this to make it safe on foreign computers where a keylogger might be installed? |
| 15:23.20 | robhu_ | Toltry: That wont protect you from a keylogger |
| 15:23.31 | robhu_ | Toltry: There is no protection against such a system |
| 15:23.42 | tkinias | john_doe, `dpkg' isn't a real user -- it's an automated response system that one can use to give responses to FAQs (e.g., when jetscreamer typed `!runlevels' that told the dpkg bot to tell you about runlevels) |
| 15:24.02 | Toltry | RobHu, what is it for then? |
| 15:24.13 | Toltry | RobHu, why not enter a password just like with any other webmail site? |
| 15:24.18 | john_doe | tkinias, I see, that's cool |
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| 15:24.51 | robhu_ | Toltry: I don't know why they do it. I know that it won't protect you from a keylogger though. |
| 15:25.02 | XenReborn | asg: no i didn't but it doesn't contain any lines that aren't commented... |
| 15:25.14 | bingo | tkinias, is there a bot like dpkg into debian ? |
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| 15:25.31 | robhu_ | Is there a amd64 kernel in testing? |
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| 15:26.17 | pngwn | bingo, packages.debian.org |
| 15:28.04 | Toltry | RobHu, I have a client who has received a tip that they are being watched, especially in respect to email. |
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| 15:28.13 | robhu_ | Toltry: Right |
| 15:28.27 | robhu_ | Toltry: If they think their machine may have been compramised the only truly safe thing to do is a fresh reinstall |
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| 15:29.07 | r_marvin | a good protection against a keylogger would be a clickable keyboard that scrambles the key arrangement every time |
| 15:29.08 | jbroome | Toltry: hush mail is encrypted, that application runs the encryption engine. i'm sure there's a faq on the site |
| 15:29.25 | r_marvin | i saw that in some e-banking sites |
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| 15:29.54 | jnc | r_marvin: that doesn't sound too useful |
| 15:30.00 | robhu_ | Does anyone know how to get a AMD64 kernel onto a i386 testing install? The Debian AMD64 FAQ suggests it can be done because it says you should boot from a 64 bit kernel if you're using an i386 kernel before you bootstrap a AMD64 build |
| 15:30.00 | XenReborn | wtf is causing this *screams* |
| 15:30.20 | robhu_ | XenReborn: What is the problem you're having? |
| 15:30.22 | jnc | robhu_: what the heck are you trying to do mate ? |
| 15:30.40 | XenReborn | robhu_: debian won |
| 15:30.47 | XenReborn | 't let me login via tty as anything but root |
| 15:30.52 | Toltry | jbroome, hushmail is realistically secure against all probing UNLESS the password is weak or becomes logged. Correct? |
| 15:30.58 | stew | gravity: and others, I started http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 but i have to run, i'll put more into it later |
| 15:31.00 | _ghola_ | !X |
| 15:31.21 | gravity | stew: Cool, thank you! |
| 15:31.30 | robhu_ | jnc: The AMD64 debian installer won't recognise either of my network cards - so I need to bootstrap it onto there. I had a i386 installer CD so I've used that. Now I'm trying to bootstrap amd64 debian onto another HD, and put the kernel on there so I can boot into it and tinker with the kernel trying to get the thing to work :) |
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| 15:31.43 | Toltry | jbroome, my client says that they have been tipped that their mail is being read. hushmail. does this necessarily point to the password point of entry? |
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| 15:32.04 | XenReborn | why am i seemingly the only one to ever have this problem.... |
| 15:32.15 | jnc | robhu_: heh, i know exactly what you mean there |
| 15:32.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:32.28 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:32.43 | jbroome | Toltry: my rates are $95 USD/hr. i'll be happy to investigate further if you'd like |
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| 15:33.11 | Toltry | jbroome, how would you investigate? |
| 15:33.20 | jetscreamer | 95? |
| 15:33.43 | jetscreamer | 120 baybee! |
| 15:33.54 | jnc | robhu_: hunt around the 'net for "linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8_2.6.16-6_amd64.deb" or similar |
| 15:34.01 | jnc | then dpkg -i it in a chroot |
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| 15:35.17 | jbroome | Toltry: i ph33r for your client |
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| 15:36.23 | XenReborn | Debian will not allow any login but root from the normal console, i've checked access.conf and it doesn't forbid it, i checked the user accounts, they are all active, wtf do i do ? |
| 15:36.35 | robhu_ | jnc: Thanks. Why in a chroot? If I install it - all my modules wont work, will they? |
| 15:36.58 | jnc | robhu_: what i am referring to is that you'd used an i386 install to bootstrap this, yeah? |
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| 15:37.10 | robhu_ | jnc: I'm that now yeah |
| 15:37.14 | makaveli | heloo |
| 15:37.23 | robhu_ | jnc: To use debootstrap to install amd64 I need to use an amd64 kernel apparently |
| 15:37.29 | makaveli | sup peoples |
| 15:37.39 | makaveli | how ya doing |
| 15:37.40 | makaveli | ? |
| 15:37.44 | jnc | robhu_: ohh... |
| 15:37.47 | jnc | hah, good one! |
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| 15:38.14 | makaveli | linux rocks |
| 15:38.22 | erisco_ | yes |
| 15:38.23 | makaveli | linux is the shit! |
| 15:38.24 | erisco_ | it does |
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| 15:38.32 | makaveli | but complicating |
| 15:38.34 | makaveli | damn |
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| 15:39.10 | XenReborn | Debian will not allow any login but root from the normal console, i've checked access.conf and it doesn't forbid it, i checked the user accounts, they are all active, wtf do i do ? |
| 15:39.12 | streuner | after a while you see linux is easy and not that complicated as windows |
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| 15:39.20 | streuner | (registry) |
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| 15:39.51 | jnc | robhu_: there's probably a better way than what i do... install using beta2 debian installer for amd64 arch, have it set up my partitions, then reboot and install ubuntu to the partition i will be using as my debian /tmp with minimal install, use ubuntu to debootstrap debian onto what will become my /usr, then after chrooting that and fixing up the bootloader, reboot, and do the cp -a shuffle |
| 15:39.59 | makaveli | i got ubuntu |
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| 15:40.14 | jnc | i didn't really think to much about how much effort it would take, once debian is on there, it's on there :) |
| 15:40.45 | jnc | robhu_: a better way might be to find an installer build that has support for your devices |
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| 15:41.29 | jnc | robhu_: alternatively, you can do a very minimal install using the full net-inst debian installer daily build, and it will have enough of a system on there to boot up |
| 15:41.36 | jnc | then sneakernet packages over |
| 15:41.42 | jnc | and build it that way |
| 15:41.59 | zOap | alsa won't load my driver on bootup. It says alsactl failed to load. nothing more. I have to rerun alsaconf every time I boot.. Any ideas? |
| 15:42.18 | jnc | zOap: make sure alsa-utils and alsa-tools are installed |
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| 15:42.39 | robhu_ | jnc: I tried that - for some reason I couldnt get it to use the cd / dvd to install from though :( It just got upset that it had no network |
| 15:42.40 | makaveli | who can help with my ubuntu? |
| 15:42.43 | jnc | zOap: i forgot which one, but you're likely missing the alsactl program |
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| 15:42.54 | jnc | robhu_: what hardware? |
| 15:43.01 | makaveli | frostwire is a pain in the ass on ubuntu? |
| 15:43.06 | zOap | jnc, I don't think so. Because I can run alsactl |
| 15:43.13 | jnc | oh. hmm |
| 15:43.29 | robhu_ | jnc: Its a Broadcom 5704 |
| 15:43.29 | zOap | And I have both packages installed |
| 15:43.33 | jnc | zOap: what output does 'dpkg -S alsactl' give ya, briefly |
| 15:43.34 | robhu_ | jnc: Supposedly it is supported |
| 15:43.39 | robhu_ | jnc: but I cant get it to work at all |
| 15:43.52 | jnc | robhu_: oh i meant what your whole system specs and all that are |
| 15:43.55 | makaveli | i need help |
| 15:43.56 | ratm_ | makaveli take a look at the topic please |
| 15:44.05 | makaveli | ohh |
| 15:44.08 | makaveli | sorry |
| 15:44.19 | robhu_ | jnc: Oh - it's a Dual dual core opteron using the Tyan Thunder K8SRE board with 8GB ECC |
| 15:45.08 | jnc | robhu_: if i help you, do i get a shell account with at least 50% ulimit access to CPUs on a fast internet link? *drool* |
| 15:45.18 | robhu_ | jnc: hehe ;-) |
| 15:45.32 | jnc | can't blame me for tryin' |
| 15:45.35 | robhu_ | jnc: :P |
| 15:45.42 | robhu_ | jnc: What system do you have? |
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| 15:46.06 | zOap | jnc, alsa-utils: /usr/share/man/man1/alsactl.1.gz alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsactl |
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| 15:46.06 | jnc | quiet little shuttle xpc box. size of a toaster, runs an athlon3000xp+ proc |
| 15:46.13 | robhu_ | jnc: Ah |
| 15:46.13 | jnc | athlon64 3000xp+ proc i meant |
| 15:46.21 | robhu_ | jnc: I had one of those - then I got a G5 :P |
| 15:46.31 | robhu_ | jnc: This is for a xen hosting company I want to start |
| 15:46.46 | jnc | yeah apprently that hidden speed of intel cpus is just NOW being "unleashed" |
| 15:46.49 | jnc | *cough* |
| 15:47.00 | jnc | xen hosting? |
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| 15:47.21 | jnc | man, i've talked with the best, the best say virtuozo (-oso?) is most cost effective |
| 15:47.29 | jnc | proprietary and junky, but the most cost effective |
| 15:47.32 | jnc | why xen? |
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| 15:48.10 | robhu_ | jnc: We use XEN extensively at work. Its incredible - the performance on it is amazing. I wouldn't touch anything else... I mean we have the enterprise version of VMWare at work too but it doesnt come near Xen. |
| 15:48.25 | jnc | i'm quite interested to learn about xen |
| 15:48.49 | jnc | actually if you want a walk thru, we could take this to privmsg |
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| 15:50.46 | bliss1_ | hello and happy easter or whatever |
| 15:51.11 | jnc | hey now, some folks take invisible egg-laying bunnies quite seriously |
| 15:51.14 | jnc | deadly seriously! |
| 15:51.35 | jnc | how are ya? |
| 15:51.35 | dpkg | mas o menos, jnc |
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| 15:55.02 | calmar | hi all, I can set a different dpi with: startx -- -dpi 120 , but it seems e.g. the font sizes don't change. any hints? |
| 15:55.37 | cahoot | calmar: do you really get dpi 120? |
| 15:55.37 | jnc | robhu_: i'm sure an installer can be found/made with support for that (GbE?) nic if |
| 15:55.55 | jnc | calmar: you need 120 dpi fonts installed |
| 15:56.13 | jnc | i've got a 200dpi screen on my zaurus c3000 |
| 15:56.16 | calmar | cahoot, jnc , ok, i see thx |
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| 15:56.31 | jnc | so the fonts end up being a little strange, heh |
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| 15:56.58 | calmar | jnc: even the Xft fonts? |
| 15:57.05 | bliss1_ | what is the effect of disabling ACPI, in BIOS |
| 15:57.06 | jnc | those are not so bad |
| 15:57.19 | jnc | bliss1_: ACPI controls cpu init, and power functions |
| 15:57.29 | jnc | take a guess :) |
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| 15:57.44 | jnc | robhu_: w/b |
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| 15:58.22 | bliss1_ | jnc: ok its just i cannot reboot at the moment ever since i diableD USB legacy in BIOS |
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| 15:58.40 | zimm2 | hi all, anyone know how to get 1280x800 res working ?? tried putting the modeline that gtf gave me in sorg.conf, and specifying the res .. but the X keeps on loading at 1280x768 @101dpi .. |
| 15:58.44 | test | hello. i have a textfile containg names of debian-packages. each package is on one line. how can i tell aptitude to install all this package? |
| 15:58.47 | Halitherses | i can't mount my keydrive, this is what I get $ mount /mnt/exhd1; mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
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| 15:59.03 | Halitherses | how can i fix it? |
| 15:59.03 | jnc | bliss1_: "USB legacy" controls whether the usb keyboard is emulated as a PS/2 keyboard for things like bootloaders and bios shortcuts |
| 15:59.18 | jnc | bliss1_: it should have no effect on kernel functions |
| 15:59.44 | Halitherses | /dev/sda1 /mnt/exhd1 vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 16:00.07 | Halitherses | it was working the other day |
| 16:00.20 | streuner | !vfatrw |
| 16:00.20 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 16:00.28 | jnc | Halitherses: if you do 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' it will show a list of scsi devices |
| 16:00.37 | Gnea | Halitherses: try plugging it in |
| 16:00.43 | jnc | streuner: shhhh |
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| 16:01.04 | Halitherses | Attached devices: |
| 16:01.13 | Gnea | !paste |
| 16:01.13 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:01.13 | Halitherses | it is plugged in |
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| 16:01.26 | streuner | Halitherses: cat /proc/scsi/scsi? |
| 16:01.33 | bliss1_ | jnc: well thats interesting because i just installed sarge aweek ago and had to diable USB in BIOS to get labtop keyboard to work, i think the reason is that i have kernel 2.6 on hda2 sarge and another debian os on hda1 also kernel 2.6 |
| 16:01.36 | Gnea | it doesn't look like it is |
| 16:01.42 | streuner | Halitherses: so the FS is fucked up |
| 16:02.00 | jnc | bliss1_: that doesn't sound like a "reason" to me FYI |
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| 16:02.23 | bliss1_ | jnc: ok it was only way to get keybord to work |
| 16:02.28 | streuner | Halitherses: what comand did you use? (mount) |
| 16:02.36 | jnc | bliss1_: is the internal keyboard USB? |
| 16:02.39 | Gnea | Halitherses: if it says 'Attached devices:' and then nothing below that, then it's either not plugged in, the kernel didn't like it and bombed on it, or the drive itself is messed up |
| 16:02.44 | Halitherses | what do you mean by "f***ed up" streuner? |
| 16:03.00 | bliss1_ | jnc: umm good question |
| 16:03.07 | jnc | ehhehe |
| 16:03.10 | Gnea | it's ok, you can say 'fuck' here |
| 16:03.11 | Gnea | :) |
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| 16:03.18 | jnc | could always boot a knoppix disc to inspect it |
| 16:03.18 | bliss1_ | jnc: yes hehehe |
| 16:03.46 | jnc | knoppix works with *anything* <=== say that a lot when diagnosing common home PC's |
| 16:03.50 | d03boy | jnc, you're still here? :P |
| 16:04.02 | Halitherses | i have a knoppix disk |
| 16:04.15 | jnc | d03boy: oh that's right, i should call my girl and go for a ride |
| 16:04.20 | jnc | wait, no girl |
| 16:04.23 | jnc | damn. |
| 16:04.24 | Gnea | Halitherses: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:04.24 | bliss1_ | jnc: ok if i re-enable USB legacy in BIOS keyborad does not work in sarge |
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| 16:05.04 | Halitherses | 2.6.15.060413 |
| 16:05.18 | Halitherses | i did recompile the other day |
| 16:05.26 | jnc | bliss1_: i mean, that's not entirely unpossible. it does sound weird though |
| 16:05.28 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 16:05.38 | Halitherses | i enabled parallel printer support |
| 16:05.38 | cobratbq | Can someone tell me whether it's possible to make apt-get install all dependencies needed for one package (I also need to revert to older version)? |
| 16:05.39 | Gnea | Halitherses: what version of gcc did you use? |
| 16:05.41 | jnc | bliss1_: can you use a normal ps/2 external keyboard? |
| 16:05.57 | Halitherses | gnea, yes |
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| 16:06.12 | Gnea | Halitherses: i'm sorry, 'yes' is not a version number |
| 16:06.17 | Halitherses | gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9) |
| 16:06.18 | jnc | cobratbq: downgrading is not allowed. |
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| 16:06.39 | bliss1_ | jnc: having said that if i reenable USB legacy in BIOS then sarge will not work from labtop keyborad BUT the other debian os on hda1 will work? |
| 16:06.41 | cobratbq | jnc: I was afraid that would be the answer :-s |
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| 16:07.18 | bliss1_ | jnc: i am saying it does work |
| 16:07.38 | jnc | bliss1_: i don't know |
| 16:07.39 | Gnea | Halitherses: paste your .config to the paste site |
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| 16:07.41 | Halitherses | gnea, soirry i misread what you said |
| 16:07.47 | Gnea | !paste |
| 16:07.47 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:07.59 | bliss1_ | jnc: never tried to use external keyboard |
| 16:08.02 | Halitherses | ok |
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| 16:08.37 | Gnea | Halitherses: so what you're saying, is that it stopped working when you booted the new kernel? |
| 16:08.49 | bliss1_ | jnc: anyway where was I in the shit maybe will not reboot? |
| 16:08.58 | Gnea | Halitherses: and are you using sarge, etch or sid? |
| 16:09.06 | trc | i just found that X is broken in sid, any pointers to fixes? |
| 16:09.22 | Gnea | trc: bug tracker |
| 16:09.23 | Gnea | !bts |
| 16:09.24 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 16:09.24 | stew | trc: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 16:09.24 | bliss1_ | jnc: reboot was the original post |
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| 16:10.15 | Halitherses | i'm using etch (testing) |
| 16:10.21 | trc | stew: thanks, I will check now, hope I can using lynx |
| 16:10.29 | Halitherses | yes |
| 16:10.36 | Gnea | ah ok, so it's broken by design |
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| 16:11.05 | bliss1_ | jnc: diable APCI sounds not a good idea you can sleep now |
| 16:11.06 | Halitherses | but i did't change any usb related options |
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| 16:11.22 | Gnea | so what's the URL? |
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| 16:11.55 | bliss1_ | jnc: get the girl then answer my post |
| 16:12.08 | Shadowcat | seriously |
| 16:12.13 | Shadowcat | doesn't ANYBODY read the topic around here? |
| 16:12.20 | Gnea | oh hell no |
| 16:12.22 | Shadowcat | yet another XOrg screw up |
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| 16:12.37 | d03boy_ | the topic isnt so descriptive meowcat |
| 16:12.40 | bliss1_ | liable: you ok? |
| 16:12.41 | robste | I have a question about installing debian 3.1 on a certain system (Sata-based HDD and CDromand an D-Link DGE-528T Network card). Can you help me (irc newbie, sorry) |
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| 16:12.55 | Halitherses | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2360 |
| 16:13.03 | Halitherses | my .config |
| 16:13.04 | streuner | robste: just ask |
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| 16:13.07 | Gnea | d03boy_: it says xorg 7.0 in unstable is fuckin' busted |
| 16:13.14 | Gnea | more illiterates |
| 16:13.24 | Shadowcat | d03boy: it's unstable, UNSTABLE means broken |
| 16:13.25 | d03boy_ | Gnea, ooops. Missed that ;) |
| 16:13.28 | Shadowcat | don't expect stuff in unstable to work |
| 16:13.29 | ice_1963 | hello...i am running etch with kde and i wan't to setup a firewall....but do not know were to start can some one help pl |
| 16:13.38 | d03boy_ | started reading from the caps lock |
| 16:13.39 | bliss1_ | streuner_ i have for the last week without success |
| 16:13.53 | Shadowcat | KDE has nothing to do with firewalling in Linux |
| 16:14.01 | robste | I am unable to bot from cdrom, so imade the boot floppies |
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| 16:14.03 | streuner | bliss1_: about what? |
| 16:14.03 | d03boy_ | and actually it says "xorg 7.0 IN unstable" |
| 16:14.06 | ice_1963 | right |
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| 16:14.10 | streuner | robste: SCSI? |
| 16:14.11 | stew | Gnea: 7.0 in unstable isn't busted |
| 16:14.18 | freeone3000 | ice_1963: iptables... |
| 16:14.23 | Shadowcat | stew: not completely ;) |
| 16:14.29 | robste | no SATA |
| 16:14.29 | bliss1_ | streuner: cannot reboot |
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| 16:14.43 | Shadowcat | but apparently it's busted enough so that the wannabies running unstable can't fix it |
| 16:14.46 | ice_1963 | arno |
| 16:15.08 | jnc | Shadowcat: i find it slightly amusing that the only bits missing from Xorg 7.0 are the video and input drivers. sort of difficult to use X11 without video or input ;) |
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| 16:15.13 | streuner | robste: did you try another d-i (debian-installer), kmuto's 2.6.15 d-i? |
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| 16:15.16 | Gnea | d03boy_: and then it says 'BEWARE' |
| 16:15.29 | Shadowcat | jnc: as I said, it's only busted enough to stop the wannabies |
| 16:15.37 | robste | no |
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| 16:15.41 | Shadowcat | hence we get flooded with useless questions |
| 16:15.59 | streuner | robste: newer kernel support SATA better |
| 16:15.59 | jnc | Shadowcat: i'm sorry to ruin your day |
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| 16:16.16 | Shadowcat | jnc: you and around 50 a day |
| 16:16.17 | robste | how can i get floppy images of it |
| 16:16.19 | Shadowcat | for the past week |
| 16:16.27 | Shadowcat | see how we're tired of this? |
| 16:16.36 | Gnea | stew: man, yes it IS broken - that site just tells you how to fix it |
| 16:16.37 | jnc | robste: i've made installers that work from sata cdrom |
| 16:16.41 | streuner | robste: well, you boot of the floppies and it find the CDROM automatically |
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| 16:17.02 | streuner | robste: but if the kernel cannot handle SATA you are fucked |
| 16:17.03 | jnc | robste: search the debian wiki for "sata" and see my tutorial on hacking up an installer image to load correct options to libata |
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| 16:17.28 | jnc | streuner: it really isn't necessary to make use of explitives |
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| 16:17.34 | d03boy_ | ouch |
| 16:17.35 | Gnea | Halitherses: looks like you missed a lot of things here... does your system have a usb 2.0 on it? |
| 16:17.37 | Shadowcat | d03boy_: what have you broken this time? |
| 16:17.48 | robste | i hop that i understood you correctly (englich is not my native language) but my sata adapter is not detected either |
| 16:18.02 | Gnea | robste: what kernel do you use? |
| 16:18.04 | Shadowcat | English* |
| 16:18.09 | Halitherses | I do not have usb 2 |
| 16:18.13 | Gnea | !english |
| 16:18.13 | dpkg | english is probably a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 16:18.20 | d03boy_ | Shad0wcat, eh.. upgraded to testing a while back, then upgraded my kernel to 2.6.15 so I could install the nvidia drivers from repos. Now my wireless isnt working |
| 16:18.25 | Halitherses | It is a asus a7v266-e |
| 16:18.25 | Gnea | okay |
| 16:18.26 | bliss1_ | jnc: explitives!!now where did i hear that before? uum yes a few days and how well no points for guessing! |
| 16:18.30 | streuner | jnc: i will asking you before i do something next time ;-) |
| 16:18.31 | Gnea | oooooh |
| 16:18.40 | Gnea | hehe, i sold one of those once |
| 16:18.41 | Shadowcat | d03boy_: why do you even need the nvidia drivers? |
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| 16:18.59 | Halitherses | It is a great mb |
| 16:19.03 | jnc | i swear all the fucking time, doesn't mean it's necessary. i'ts not. |
| 16:19.08 | jnc | sorry y'all |
| 16:19.14 | d03boy_ | Shad0wcat, that was the whole point of upgrading to testing. And because my system was running shitty and apparently tha twas the solution. |
| 16:19.18 | bliss1_ | jnc: sorry my ass |
| 16:19.19 | robste | I use the kernel of the floppy images of a debian 3.1 netinst cd |
| 16:19.31 | jnc | bliss1_: i'll mail some chocolates and flowers |
| 16:19.33 | Gnea | Halitherses: yeah, it's okay. do you know what SCSI is? |
| 16:19.35 | jnc | right away :) |
| 16:19.35 | Shadowcat | d03boy_: you _do_ realize that unless you intend on running Quake on there |
| 16:19.39 | john_doe | I'm trying to get X11over ssh running on a fresh sarge 2.6 install. I have "X11Forwarding yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server and "ForwardX11 yes" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config on the client. I havn't installed any X stuff on the server. What am I missing? |
| 16:19.41 | Shadowcat | those drivers will do you no good what so ever |
| 16:19.48 | bliss1_ | jnc: yes and the rest |
| 16:19.49 | Halitherses | yes i know what scsi is. |
| 16:19.55 | d03boy_ | Shad0wcat, i run neverball :P |
| 16:19.56 | Gnea | cool |
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| 16:20.14 | Shadowcat | d03boy_: ten recompile your wifi drivers and get it over with |
| 16:20.14 | Halitherses | I dont know why i must trick my os into thinking i have though. |
| 16:20.17 | Shadowcat | then* |
| 16:20.36 | priscila | john_doe: is x accepting conections? |
| 16:20.51 | Shadowcat | heh the first thing I had to do to even get my nic recognized in woody was to compile a 2.6 kernel |
| 16:20.52 | Gnea | Halitherses: here's the problem: you built scsi into the kernel - it needs to be modular. you need to also enable 'probe all LUNs on each SCSI device' and at least 'SCSI logging facility' |
| 16:20.55 | Shadowcat | boy was that fun |
| 16:21.03 | john_doe | priscila, hmm, I have no X on the server. I don't know... |
| 16:21.13 | Shadowcat | then sarge came along, and I still had to compile the kernel |
| 16:21.24 | Halitherses | thanks |
| 16:21.26 | Shadowcat | but this time I didn't have to upgrade half the system to do it |
| 16:21.28 | priscila | john_doe: it must be configurated to accept conections over ssh |
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| 16:21.39 | Gnea | Halitherses: good luck |
| 16:21.40 | john_doe | priscila, so I have to install it? |
| 16:21.41 | streuner | bliss1_: you cannot boot? |
| 16:21.47 | Shadowcat | and back then I had less than a full week of linux experience |
| 16:22.10 | bliss1_ | streuner: your a star man yep thats it |
| 16:22.23 | streuner | bliss1_: what was the error again? |
| 16:22.27 | priscila | john_doe: i dont know .. i give a clue to you |
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| 16:23.08 | Halitherses | good luck to you too gnea |
| 16:23.25 | bliss1_ | streuner well i could give you the details like I did yesterday then you tell me sorry ask someone else! but thanks your still a ster |
| 16:23.49 | john_doe | priscila, thanks, I think I just googled some from your clue :-) |
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| 16:23.56 | Gnea | Shadowcat: when i first got this asus a7n8x motherboard, I had to plop a pci 3com nic in it just to do a netinstall because the onboard shit was too new for standard 2.4 kernels - this was a few months before they started making 2.6 installation-grade kernels for sarge |
| 16:24.09 | bliss1_ | star |
| 16:24.13 | Shadowcat | heh fun fun |
| 16:24.24 | priscila | i wanna know why some modules must be modular .. |
| 16:24.26 | Gnea | yeah, then i moved and the whole thing just died |
| 16:24.29 | Gnea | :) |
| 16:24.32 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 16:24.36 | recognizer | Hello, i have a problem with audacity and my sound server esd, and the gdm sound, any to know what can i do? |
| 16:24.40 | Gnea | priscila: cuz they have to be. that's why. |
| 16:24.45 | Shadowcat | I still keep a bunch of old 3com nics from around 1998 around |
| 16:24.51 | streuner | bliss1_: oh, the ACPI thingie, didn't i tell you about my knowledge about?... |
| 16:24.55 | Shadowcat | they're guaranteed to be recognized in any distro |
| 16:25.01 | tim_flatus | recognizer, yeah, turn off esd |
| 16:25.07 | priscila | Gnea: its a good explanation |
| 16:25.08 | robste | CU, streuner, thank you for the kernel hint |
| 16:25.13 | Shadowcat | they perform better than a lot of that via crap they put on nics these days too |
| 16:25.21 | john_doe | apt-get install xbase-clients did it :-) |
| 16:25.26 | Gnea | priscila: kidding. when udev and whatnot load and unload modules when certain usb devices are plugged/unplugged, they need to remove all of some code and not just some of it |
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| 16:26.02 | Gnea | priscila: the SCSI subsystem needs to reinitialize itself - if it's built into the kernel, it can't perform that function |
| 16:26.09 | streuner | :Apr 14 10:22:14 <streuner_> bliss1__r in the channel... |
| 16:26.21 | Shadowcat | Gnea: what's he trying to do? |
| 16:26.29 | priscila | Gnea: i get it .. |
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| 16:26.30 | recognizer | tim_flatus: but i dont like to do these, because disapear the event sounds! |
| 16:26.36 | Gnea | Shadowcat: get his usb thumbdrive to detect |
| 16:26.42 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 16:26.53 | streuner | Apr 14 10:22:14 <streuner_> bliss1__: sorry, but i cannot help you, post the question a little later in the channel... |
| 16:26.54 | Shadowcat | install udev and/or hotplug and reboot |
| 16:27.03 | Gnea | priscila: i don't assume anyone is an idiot nor an expert. |
| 16:27.10 | UziMaster | how can i beep when debian halted (so I can press the power button to turn my server off)? |
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| 16:27.15 | tim_flatus | recognizer, you don´t want event sounds if you´re recording audio, surely? |
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| 16:27.29 | streuner | bliss1_: and you still didn't get an answer, well look at google for ACPI and get the knowledge then |
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| 16:27.36 | jnc | a multibyte single quote... wtf |
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| 16:28.26 | jnc | ahhh! controlling terminal mugged |
| 16:28.32 | UziMaster | how can i beep when debian halted (so I can press the power button to turn my server off)? |
| 16:28.39 | Shadowcat | !tell UziMaster about repeat |
| 16:28.54 | recognizer | tim_flatus: but the sound in gdm dont work! |
| 16:29.03 | UziMaster | Shadowcat: sorry :D |
| 16:29.14 | tim_flatus | recognizer, I don´t use audacity myself, but I know your sound device can only be used by one process at a time. |
| 16:29.24 | jnc | there it is again. tim_flatus triggers it |
| 16:29.27 | tim_flatus | recognizer, What sound in gdm? |
| 16:29.29 | bliss1_ | jnc: heres a little bite for easterinstalling XEN in sarge get to end recomplie the kernel all thar stuff then run the final command before reboot which is update-rc.d xend defaults 20 21 and |
| 16:29.29 | bliss1_ | update-rc.d xendomains defaults 21 20 |
| 16:29.29 | bliss1_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:29.52 | tim_flatus | jnc, sorry, what am I doing? |
| 16:30.16 | jnc | tim_flatus: your single quotes (as in "you're") are coming up as multibyte here |
| 16:30.19 | jnc | that's so weird |
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| 16:30.30 | jnc | what IRC client and keyboard layout? |
| 16:30.48 | jnc | bliss1_: hmm |
| 16:30.59 | tim_flatus | jnc,Ah, sorry - I am using the intl keyboard variant. |
| 16:31.02 | recognizer | tim_flatus: the sound is /usr/share/sounds/gnibbles/laughter.wav when start gdm |
| 16:31.18 | jnc | tim_flatus: it's okay, i'm not mad. it's new to me though |
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| 16:32.09 | tim_flatus | jnc, It is new to me too. :) I will have to write things out longhand for now. |
| 16:32.15 | jnc | bliss1_: is there a guide you follow? |
| 16:32.45 | bliss1_ | jnc: so what do I do it again and yes the same error message --a guide hell yes its a howto ok |
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| 16:33.27 | jnc | bliss1_: best to take this to privmsg, it's rather involved :) |
| 16:33.59 | bliss1_ | jnc: ok you start it mate i wil follow thanks |
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| 16:35.54 | streuner | bliss1_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/ACPI-HOWTO/ |
| 16:36.13 | webwolf_27 | anybody know there way around all-in-one devices? |
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| 16:36.19 | bliss1_ | streuner: your a star |
| 16:36.37 | cr3_ | is there such a thing as a standard notification protocol? I'm thinking something along the lines of comsat which is used to notify of incoming mail, but I would rather it not be mail specific |
| 16:36.49 | jnc | cr3_: freedesktop has something now |
| 16:36.50 | jnc | libnotify |
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| 16:37.17 | tim_flatus | recognizer, do you need these sounds for accessibility reasons? |
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| 16:37.34 | r_marvin | what would be a good place to keep some rrds ? /var/my_stats ? /var/lib/my_stats ? somewhere else? |
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| 16:38.09 | ennan | hi |
| 16:38.18 | jnc | 'allo |
| 16:38.27 | streuner | bliss1_: laptop? |
| 16:38.29 | recognizer | tim_flatus: no apear any message of these |
| 16:38.53 | recognizer | tim_flatus: that i to know |
| 16:38.58 | bliss1_ | streuner: yep you bet |
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| 16:39.03 | streuner | bliss1_: did you read /msg dpkg laptop ? |
| 16:39.09 | ennan | dunno if this is the correc tplace for me to ask this, but i am setting up a raid , and the HOWTO mentions the "mkraid" command.. it's not present on my system.. anybody know where it should come from? |
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| 16:39.25 | streuner | bliss1_: there are serveral hints and trics on that website |
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| 16:39.40 | bliss1_ | streuner: whats the url please |
| 16:39.45 | jnc | ennan: there's old raid and new raid tools |
| 16:39.46 | streuner | !laptop |
| 16:39.46 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 16:39.53 | recognizer | tim_flatus: excuse me for my english, im from colombia, thanks |
| 16:40.00 | jnc | ennan: which howto? |
| 16:40.30 | ennan | jnc: found several, all containing more or less the same txt |
| 16:40.33 | ennan | EG http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html#toc5 |
| 16:40.35 | jnc | aye |
| 16:40.48 | r_marvin | ennan: use "mdadm" |
| 16:40.49 | webwolf_27 | I'm trying to setup the scanner portion of my brother MFC-215C all-in-one, allthough everything seems to be configured right (the scanner is found) I get "Could not start scanner, Error during device I/O" anybody have any idea's |
| 16:40.55 | r_marvin | look for that keyworg |
| 16:40.58 | r_marvin | d |
| 16:41.04 | r_marvin | mkraid is obsoleted |
| 16:41.08 | tim_flatus | recognizer, np for you english. So you can turn esd on again and get sounds when you have finished with audacity? no? |
| 16:41.18 | ennan | @marvin: i did, apt-gettet it .... you got an howto that helps me use that? |
| 16:41.21 | jnc | ennan: try mkadm package |
| 16:41.25 | ennan | :) |
| 16:41.42 | ennan | @jnc/marvin: tnx, ill just read the manpage of mkadm i guess? |
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| 16:41.57 | r_marvin | ennan: mdadm , not mkadm |
| 16:42.08 | r_marvin | mdadm --help should be ok |
| 16:42.08 | jnc | oh whoops |
| 16:42.25 | ennan | @marvin: sry, was a typo, 've got mdadm :) |
| 16:42.30 | r_marvin | but you should read a fairly recent raid howto |
| 16:42.30 | donfilipo | i think i could watch video streams with linux but now i cannot anymore only real video...any clue? |
| 16:42.42 | r_marvin | let me see if i find one |
| 16:42.50 | ennan | @marvin: great, holding on :) |
| 16:42.53 | jnc | donfilipo: "real" codec is proprietary |
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| 16:43.24 | jnc | i.e. don't expect to ever use it. if it does work, that is because of a non-free and patent encumbered hack |
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| 16:43.36 | recognizer | tim_flatus: yes i can do it, but my problem rigth now is with the gdm |
| 16:43.42 | Naz_ | I need help with qemu and #qemu is dead. |
| 16:44.03 | Naz_ | I'm trying to set up Tun and the qemu monitor says its connected. |
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| 16:44.22 | r_marvin | ennan: start from here: http://www.google.com/search?&q=raid+howto+mdadm+debian+sarge |
| 16:44.23 | Naz_ | I'm trying to get Win2k to recognize it. How would I do that? |
| 16:44.25 | tim_flatus | recognizer, OK. I do not use system sounds myself, so I cannot help on that one. |
| 16:44.29 | ennan | @marvin/jnc: the howto i posted does suggest downloading mdadm |
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| 16:44.39 | ennan | and then goes on about the mkraid |
| 16:44.40 | r_marvin | read the raid-howto, though |
| 16:44.40 | jnc | Naz_: i don't think you'll get much support for qemu here |
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| 16:44.47 | Naz_ | OK |
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| 16:44.48 | Naz_ | NVM |
| 16:45.02 | r_marvin | and keep in mind you'll need the new-style utilities |
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| 16:45.13 | recognizer | tim_flatus: ok, thanks for you atention! |
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| 16:45.31 | tim_flatus | recognizer, np. :) |
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| 16:46.38 | donfilipo | jnc: it is they put the real media player on the net for free... but i have troubles with the other side...and i think i didn't have them before |
| 16:47.03 | bliss1_ | jnc:when your ready i will be next door |
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| 16:47.47 | r_marvin | ennan: this one looks ok for me: http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareRaid |
| 16:48.20 | ennan | marvin: hmm.. the howto isn't complete. it does mention mdadm with a linear raid. |
| 16:48.33 | ennan | something like mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=linear --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb6 /dev/sdc5 vor linear |
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| 16:48.42 | ennan | that should do nicely if i just read that damn manpage :D |
| 16:49.08 | ultraviolet16 | hello all, I was wondering under what packages the "/sbin/shutdown" or poweroff and reboot were located.. |
| 16:49.08 | ennan | thanks, i think i got it now ;) |
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| 16:50.06 | sc0tty | hello |
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| 16:50.40 | r_marvin | ennan: as long as you understand what's going on, mdadm --help should remind you the correct switches |
| 16:50.44 | sc0tty | I made a wrong command and now I can't log as root anymore |
| 16:50.48 | r_marvin | i use it all the time :) |
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| 16:50.56 | sc0tty | I did chsh -s /bin/zsh |
| 16:50.58 | r_marvin | sc0tty: what wrong command? |
| 16:51.10 | sc0tty | and then I realized I didn't have zsh installed |
| 16:51.13 | r_marvin | lol |
| 16:51.18 | sc0tty | so now I can't log in as root anymore :p |
| 16:51.21 | r_marvin | login as another user |
| 16:51.38 | ennan | @marvin: yep. i just got tunnelvisioned on that missing mkraid command, i think it'll work.. atm my /proc/mdstat is listing my first raid1 array :) |
| 16:52.21 | r_marvin | then use su with the correct shell |
| 16:52.22 | r_marvin | ennan: good luck then :) |
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| 16:52.38 | sc0tty | thanks r_marvin :) |
| 16:52.49 | r_marvin | sc0tty: i think it's su - -s /bin/bash |
| 16:52.51 | ultraviolet16 | in debian what package has basic programs such as shutdown or poweroff? |
| 16:52.56 | sc0tty | yep :) |
| 16:53.10 | r_marvin | ultraviolet16: dpkg -S `which poweroff` |
| 16:53.16 | izn0g | ultraviolet16: apt-file search shutdown ? |
| 16:53.47 | ultraviolet16 | izn0g: do you mean apt-cache? |
| 16:53.52 | r_marvin | mine is more accurate, as long as it's installed :) |
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| 16:53.59 | Neverther | ? isn't halt enough? |
| 16:54.02 | izn0g | :-) |
| 16:54.11 | izn0g | apt-cache yes |
| 16:54.25 | br3nden | what username and group should own the PHP MyAdmin files? |
| 16:54.26 | cshaman | hello everyone |
| 16:54.28 | izn0g | sorry for that, but you've got the idea. locate might be of some help |
| 16:54.30 | ultraviolet16 | r_marvin: not found |
| 16:54.40 | r_marvin | wait |
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| 16:55.12 | cshaman | i'm trying to prevent the gnome display manager from booting up. i was told that changing the runlevel to multiuser (3) would fix this problem. i prefer running x from tty mode. |
| 16:55.23 | r_marvin | sysvinit: /sbin/poweroff |
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| 16:55.55 | cshaman | on a similar note, i would like to disable some services running on my box, namely bitlbee irc server and postgresql among a few others |
| 16:56.13 | r_marvin | ultraviolet16: it's sysvinit, in case you missed |
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| 16:56.43 | ultraviolet16 | r_marvin: thanks, i read it.. |
| 16:56.46 | r_marvin | np |
| 16:56.50 | ultraviolet16 | r_marvin: i'm wondering though, if i'm missing a basic needed prog like that.. |
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| 16:56.57 | ultraviolet16 | i wonder what else I might be missing, how can I check? |
| 16:57.04 | r_marvin | ultraviolet16: are you root? |
| 16:57.11 | pigor | hello. my gnuplot does not understand some keys like "delete" and german letters ("ae", "oe", "ue", "sz"). how can i fix this? |
| 16:57.14 | r_marvin | poweroff is in /sbin |
| 16:57.21 | ultraviolet16 | i'm afraid if I reboot i won't be able to get back.. this was a buggy install of testing.. |
| 16:57.26 | r_marvin | so it's not in the regular $PATH |
| 16:57.32 | r_marvin | oh |
| 16:57.37 | ultraviolet16 | I am root.. |
| 16:57.51 | r_marvin | there was a snippet to reinstall all packages |
| 16:58.01 | ultraviolet16 | i looked in /sbin/ it didn't exist until I installed sysvinit |
| 16:58.03 | freeone3000 | So... glx working with Xorg 7. Any ideas? |
| 16:58.08 | r_marvin | i don't remember it well enough to quote it |
| 16:58.17 | tienchi | hi, what network manager tools do you recommend to me??? |
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| 16:58.29 | ultraviolet16 | thing is that the isntalled kept on trying to remove e2fsprogs and it couldn't. It wasn't allowing me to do anything unless it removed it, so I forced it.. |
| 16:58.52 | tienchi | for wireless and ethernet |
| 16:58.52 | tim_flatus | freeone3000, not yet, sorry. |
| 16:59.00 | ultraviolet16 | tienchi: wireless-tools |
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| 16:59.22 | pigor | can anyone tell me were to get help on gnuplot (my keyboard settings seem to be wrong) |
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| 16:59.37 | pigor | ? |
| 16:59.39 | ultraviolet16 | pigor: i've tried #math before.. |
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| 16:59.47 | tienchi | ultraviolet16, thanks. and is it used for ethernet too?? |
| 16:59.48 | JerJer | ugh - how does one reconfigure exim the 'debian' way? there was some tool that poped up in the install process |
| 16:59.50 | dpy | hi guys |
| 16:59.51 | ultraviolet16 | they helped me there once.. |
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| 17:00.03 | ultraviolet16 | tienchi: for wire you use ifconfig |
| 17:00.05 | pigor | ultraviolet16: ok .. i will try, too |
| 17:00.14 | keck0f_ | is tiny x-server "Xfbdev" a part of xfree86? ... x.org? what project? what packages? |
| 17:00.16 | cahoot | JerJer: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:00.21 | dpy | what's the quickest way to turn 13 high resolution images into a single PDF document on linux/command line ? |
| 17:00.24 | freeone3000 | ...I only want three things... armegatron, Eternal Lands, and Unreal Tournament 2004... |
| 17:00.27 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell JerJer about drec |
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| 17:00.38 | freeone3000 | dpy: Command line utils for... graphics? |
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| 17:00.49 | cahoot | dpy: montage (IM) |
| 17:00.50 | freeone3000 | dpy: I would use OOo and export to pdf. But that requires X. |
| 17:00.51 | dpy | freeone3000: sure |
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| 17:01.12 | dpy | ImageMagick rules, but convert handles a single page to convert to pdf |
| 17:01.13 | POVaddct | freeone3000: there is image magick and netpbm. both graphics. both command line. |
| 17:01.24 | ultraviolet16 | r_marvin: well i'm going to try and reboot.. sianara.. hope I'm back..! |
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| 17:02.08 | cahoot | dpy: man montage (part of imagemagick) |
| 17:03.37 | HPS`Fresh | please tell me, where can i ask about debian+2.6.16.5+nvidia.drivers=no screen found |
| 17:04.16 | dpy | cahoot: exactly what did you have in mind when you mentioned montage ? |
| 17:04.37 | mfrisch | I got problems implementing vnc. Do you need a special vnc client for 'Doz. It doesn't prompt for password and keeps asking me to keep the connection alive. Nothing comes up though. I am forwarding it through ssh. |
| 17:05.03 | cshaman | is there a way to list the currently running daemons on my box? |
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| 17:05.12 | dpy | montage creates a composite image by combining several separate images. |
| 17:05.12 | dpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.12 | dpy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.45 | ultraviolet16 | ok i'm back, sigh |
| 17:05.49 | r_marvin | :) |
| 17:05.55 | ultraviolet16 | =) |
| 17:06.02 | prudhvi | when i apt-get source something where is the source package stored ? |
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| 17:06.05 | chealer | HPS`Fresh: presumably here |
| 17:06.09 | ultraviolet16 | is there a package that anyone knows of that has needed libraries..? |
| 17:06.09 | yosef | Hi, |
| 17:06.19 | tienchi | please, i apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome-core; then when i startx, there is a error "there was an error starting up the screensaver", how can i fix this erro? |
| 17:06.28 | ifvoid | has anyone gotten the newest ati driver working with the new Xorg 7.0 packages in sid? |
| 17:06.30 | yosef | I connect my external HardDisk drive, Where can I find it? |
| 17:06.32 | chealer | ultraviolet16: uh...yes |
| 17:06.35 | pipeline | tienchi: You don't have xscreensaver installed. It's not a problem. |
| 17:06.35 | yosef | sda? |
| 17:06.38 | ultraviolet16 | tienchi: you have to look at the logs |
| 17:06.40 | prudhvi | tienchi, apt-get install xscreensaver |
| 17:06.45 | pipeline | tienchi: If you want screensavers, install xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl |
| 17:06.46 | ultraviolet16 | oh |
| 17:06.57 | ultraviolet16 | tienchi: yeah, install xscreensaver then you won't get that error |
| 17:07.07 | ultraviolet16 | chealer: what package is that? |
| 17:07.22 | dpy | cahoot: is it save to say you don't really know either ? |
| 17:07.28 | ultraviolet16 | yosef: look in dmesg, it should tell you |
| 17:07.31 | cahoot | dpy: you want a number of pics assembled in a pdf - no? |
| 17:07.42 | tienchi | ultraviolet16, oh, yeah, it looks like x can not find the xscrrensaver |
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| 17:07.45 | dpy | yes, but one image per page please |
| 17:08.00 | chealer | ultraviolet16: just take a package at random, it will most likely need a library |
| 17:08.02 | ultraviolet16 | tienchi: yeah, because in gnome-core it doesn't come.. i had the same problem.. |
| 17:08.03 | tienchi | pipeline, ultraviolet16,thanks |
| 17:08.15 | ultraviolet16 | np |
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| 17:08.32 | dpy | like I said, they are high resolution images and I want to make the separate images into a PDF without decrease in resolution or quality |
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| 17:09.40 | opc0de | hey is there any way to find out when a particular package was updated? openldap seems to be broken now, but I can't remember when I updated it |
| 17:10.08 | chealer | opc0de: which release do you use? |
| 17:10.17 | opc0de | testing |
| 17:10.19 | cast | opc0de: aptitude would have logged it |
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| 17:10.26 | chealer | opc0de: see dpkg's log |
| 17:10.28 | Rizzer | opc0de: /var/log/aptitude |
| 17:10.31 | fusspils | anyone have problems with the latest xorg update? |
| 17:10.51 | opc0de | hmm, I don't have /var/log/aptitude.. I installed this via apt-get install |
| 17:10.58 | HPS`Fresh | well. thr problem is i can`t use nvidia drivers with 2.6.16.5 kernel. then i start x - it says "no screen found" |
| 17:11.02 | Rizzer | fusspils: working fine for me. I let it generate a fresh xorg.conf |
| 17:11.08 | izn0g | opc0de: you can also check the date of the files |
| 17:11.10 | ultraviolet16 | fusspils: it says that xorg 7.0 is unstable.. |
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| 17:11.53 | HPS`Fresh | the previouse kernel was 2.6.15.2 and nvidia modules was buildby debian way. all was working perfect |
| 17:11.58 | Rizzer | opc0de: then /var/log/dpkg.log like chealer suggested |
| 17:12.24 | prudhvi | where do source packages get downloaded to when i use apt-get source package ? |
| 17:12.39 | freeone3000 | prudhvi: Current directory. |
| 17:12.42 | izn0g | HPS`Fresh: how about reverting to the previous install ? |
| 17:12.48 | prudhvi | oh |
| 17:13.09 | JerJer | cahoot: thank you |
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| 17:13.35 | opc0de | "2006-01-13 11:21:16 upgrade slapd 2.2.26-4 2.2.26-5" that could be it |
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| 17:14.55 | opc0de | thanks guys |
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| 17:16.44 | HPS`Fresh | izn0g i don`t want rolling back :) |
| 17:16.47 | d03boy_ | stupid ndiswrapper |
| 17:17.08 | izn0g | good night all ( and good luck ) |
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| 17:17.44 | HPS`Fresh | izn0g when i change the driver from nvidia to nv.then all works good, but 3d :) |
| 17:17.54 | dpy | cahoot: what do you know ? just convert im1.jpg im2.jpg document.pdf and it works |
| 17:17.58 | dpy | like magick! |
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| 17:19.15 | pdr- | hi all |
| 17:19.38 | pdr- | I need some help for setting up debian in my powerbook 12:" |
| 17:19.56 | cshaman | if i want to disable gdm and postgresql from running when my computer boots to runlevel three, should i just rename the symlinks to those programs in /etc/rc3.d to something obscure so they are not run? |
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| 17:21.05 | nkuttler_ | cshaman: man update-rc.d or install rcconf |
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| 17:22.44 | webwolf_27 | I'm trying to setup the scanner portion of my brother MFC-215C all-in-one, allthough everything seems to be configured right (the scanner is found) I get "Could not start scanner, Error during device I/O" anybody have any idea's |
| 17:23.20 | d03boy_ | how can I install ndiswrapper-utils 1.8 without the modules? There appears to not be any 2.6.15 modules |
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| 17:24.57 | JerJer | ok - i have reconfigured debian's exim4-config, but now how do i un-freeze messages in exim? |
| 17:25.06 | JerJer | they all still say Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 17:25.10 | Rizzer | exim4 -qffl or something |
| 17:25.31 | JerJer | that won't nuke the messages? just un-freeze and attempt to resend ? |
| 17:25.55 | JerJer | forced - good |
| 17:26.24 | yosef | ultravioletl6: It does not tell me where it is, I had : Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... |
| 17:26.26 | yosef | usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage |
| 17:26.26 | yosef | scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 17:26.26 | yosef | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.26 | yosef | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.26 | yosef | Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
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| 17:26.41 | JerJer | Rizzer: you rule - exim4 -qff did it |
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| 17:26.56 | Zugschlus | Rizzer: can you explain what exim -qffl does? |
| 17:27.11 | JerJer | force queue run with local only |
| 17:27.21 | JerJer | man exim4 did explain this quite nicely :) |
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| 17:27.40 | JerJer | i wanted to remote send, so i did no use l (ell) |
| 17:27.43 | JerJer | just qff |
| 17:27.50 | dbn | when all else fails...try the documentation ;) |
| 17:27.55 | Rizzer | Zugschlus: thaws frozen messages |
| 17:27.59 | fusspils | do you have to be using 2.6.16.5 for the latest xorg to work? |
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| 17:28.07 | Zugschlus | Rizzer: not quite correct |
| 17:28.10 | tienchi | you guys know gnome-font-properties is not showing the fonts of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi????? how can i make it display all the fonts???? |
| 17:28.11 | JerJer | ugggggg |
| 17:28.20 | JerJer | that bounced all of the messages instead of sending them :( |
| 17:28.24 | Zugschlus | Rizzer: please do not recommend things that you don't understand |
| 17:29.34 | Rizzer | Zugschlus: fuck off |
| 17:30.02 | dbn | is it sunday already? |
| 17:30.22 | startingx | here it is sunday now |
| 17:30.23 | robhu__ | dbn: Did you notice because of all the Christian love on the channel? ;-) |
| 17:30.25 | tim_flatus | Not here :) |
| 17:30.28 | yosef | I connect my USB Hdd, Where can I find it? |
| 17:30.51 | Zugschlus | Rizzer: do you want to take over the exim4 package? |
| 17:31.02 | pdr- | anyone has a clue about how to set up the vga output in a powerbook? |
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| 17:31.51 | Rizzer | Zugschlus: are you saying -qff is wrong? |
| 17:32.33 | Zugschlus | Rizzer: depends on what you intend to do |
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| 17:32.48 | Zugschlus | Rizzer: -qff does not only unfreeze messages |
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| 17:32.58 | Zugschlus | it also does delivery attempts on them (and on all other messages in the queue) |
| 17:33.02 | Zugschlus | which might be very undesireable |
| 17:33.10 | startingx | i'm trying to setup mouse in x. tried /dev/input/mice /dev/psaux tried imps/2 ps/2 nothing works. I have both psmouse and mousedev in /etc/modules. Any suggestions on how to make my mouse pointer move in x? |
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| 17:34.02 | d03boy_ | gah. I cant get ndiswrapper/wlan0 to work correctly. It seems like its working but then when I run a dhclient it says "receive_packet failed on wlan0: Network is down" |
| 17:34.08 | Rizzer | Zugschlus: you may find it instructive to review JerJer's last several comments |
| 17:34.43 | Zugschlus | Rizzer: they seem to kind of prove what i said |
| 17:35.18 | Zugschlus | exim -qff is dangerous becuase if there is still an error, you'll invoke that error on all messages in short time |
| 17:35.31 | JerJer | Zugschlus: it was very undesireable |
| 17:35.32 | Zugschlus | an excellent way to shoot oneself in the foot |
| 17:35.37 | anabain | how should I tar (or whatever) my / partition stuff in order to make sure that after making mkfs.ext3 on / hdd partition (now in reiserfs) I won't get a kernel panic when rebooting, once / untarred on the new ext3 partition?? |
| 17:35.38 | JerJer | more like stomach |
| 17:35.47 | JerJer | i now have about 500 messages to re-send |
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| 17:36.06 | Astral_Projectio | can i get some help? I have problem with openGL |
| 17:36.13 | HPS`Fresh | ÐÒÉËÏÌØÎÏ. ÚÁÒÁÂÏÔÁÌÏ ÓÁÍÏ... |
| 17:36.16 | Astral_Projectio | and ATI Radeon graphics |
| 17:36.21 | HPS`Fresh | ÁÈÔÕÎÇ... |
| 17:36.23 | d03boy_ | Astral_Projectio, be more specific |
| 17:36.28 | Astral_Projectio | well |
| 17:36.29 | Astral_Projectio | I downloaded |
| 17:36.30 | HPS`Fresh | ÉÎÏÐÌÏÎÅÔÑÎÅ ÚÁÈÁ×ÏÌÉ ÍÏÊ ÍÏÓË |
| 17:36.33 | Astral_Projectio | ati driver |
| 17:36.35 | pipeline | anabain: Well, first off, be sure to use tar. |
| 17:36.40 | Astral_Projectio | 2 files |
| 17:36.43 | pipeline | HPS`Fresh: No one can understand you because you're using a weird encoding. |
| 17:36.43 | jbroome | !ru |
| 17:36.43 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 17:36.54 | Astral_Projectio | ati-driver and fglrxx |
| 17:37.00 | Astral_Projectio | I installed ati-driver |
| 17:37.08 | Astral_Projectio | from X (graphical installation) |
| 17:37.15 | Astral_Projectio | but I can't install this fglrx |
| 17:37.16 | Ronin | Astral_Projectio: type more hit enter less :) |
| 17:37.22 | HPS`Fresh | pipeline sorry :) i was thinking it`s another channel :) |
| 17:37.26 | Astral_Projectio | ok |
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| 17:37.28 | HPS`Fresh | well by the way |
| 17:37.30 | peppo | apt find xlock |
| 17:37.31 | anabain | pipeline, I don't understand you, you're saying I *must* use it? I heared of rsync..., that's why I'm asking |
| 17:37.43 | HPS`Fresh | about my problem i talk 5 minutes ago |
| 17:37.45 | pipeline | anabain: For practical purposes, you must. |
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| 17:38.02 | tienchi | startingx, lsmod |
| 17:38.04 | pipeline | anabain: the easiest way is using gtar with the -p and -l switches |
| 17:38.11 | pipeline | anabain: And then copying each filesystem one at a time |
| 17:38.15 | HPS`Fresh | i just have install x.org instread xfree-dbg and for some reason all now wrk good |
| 17:38.28 | anabain | ok, I'll look the man |
| 17:38.38 | tienchi | startingx, it should not load the usb module |
| 17:38.45 | Astral_Projectio | flgrx was rpm so I used alien to convert it to debian package. When I try dpkg -i fglrx*.deb it says: |
| 17:38.46 | Astral_Projectio | dpkg: error processing fglrx-4-3-0_8.24.8-2_i386.deb (--install): |
| 17:38.46 | Astral_Projectio | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.49 | Astral_Projectio | what should I do? |
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| 17:38.53 | d03boy_ | I cant get ndiswrapper/wlan0 to work correctly. It seems like its working (ndiswrapper shows module is loaded and driver) but then when I run a dhclient it says "receive_packet failed on wlan0: Network is down" |
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| 17:39.05 | pipeline | anabain: by the way, if you tar to stdout, and then pipe it to another tar that's extracting from stdin, you can use tar to copy without ever making an actual tarball :P |
| 17:39.07 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: you should not use rpms, not even with alien |
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| 17:39.21 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: there's a reason why ATIs packages can generate debs |
| 17:39.22 | Astral_Projectio | well there's no debian package |
| 17:39.23 | Astral_Projectio | on ati site.. |
| 17:39.23 | anabain | yes, I knew that, pipeline |
| 17:39.25 | tienchi | you guys know gnome-font-properties is not showing the fonts of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi????? how can i make it display all the fonts???? :( |
| 17:39.29 | pipeline | anabain: I do it all the time to copy over the network. (tar to stdout, pipe to an ssh process, run a tar -x from stdin on the remote system.) |
| 17:39.34 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: maybe read the documentation |
| 17:39.40 | startingx | tienchi: i had this line [usbcore 118532 2 ehci_hcd] up is that what you mean? |
| 17:40.04 | Astral_Projectio | i'll try but I still cannot use OpenGL programes eg. games... |
| 17:40.35 | peppo | anyone know where xlock disappeared to when updating to Xorg 7.0? |
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| 17:40.40 | tienchi | startingx, usbhid and mousedev |
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| 17:41.05 | anabain | pipeline, but what I want is simply to change from reiserfs to ext3, putting the / tar in an auxiliary hdd, then mkfs.ext3 from a cd live and untar, mkdir /proc, but I get an annoying kernel panic... |
| 17:41.23 | startingx | tienchi: no usbhid and mousedev from lsmod result but i have mousedev in /etc/modules |
| 17:41.34 | Astral_Projectio | valdyn, does this have to do with DRI module? |
| 17:41.45 | pipeline | anabain: what's the kernel panic? |
| 17:41.46 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: does that matter? |
| 17:41.58 | tienchi | startingx, so modprobe them |
| 17:42.06 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: you use ATIs installer to generate debs, you install the debs. |
| 17:42.11 | pipeline | anabain: did you use the -l switch when you made the tarball? it's possible that you copied /proc and /sys and other things you don't want to copy :P |
| 17:42.16 | anabain | pipeline, in fact, I have done mkfs.reiserfs again, untarred, and everything is ok, but with ext3 is wrong (and I compiled ext3 support, of course) |
| 17:42.24 | tienchi | startingx, and make them to load from boot |
| 17:42.25 | henk | Hi, I have servers on two locations, both locations have a /24 ip range for the servers present. Now i want to move a server from one location to the other and i want it's old ip to be available in that new location. So i need to set up some kind of tunnel. Can anyone point me to a good howto on setting this up ? |
| 17:42.27 | pipeline | anabain: Uh, that's pretty bizarre. |
| 17:42.36 | pipeline | anabain: perhaps your fstab still says reiserfs? ;) |
| 17:42.45 | anabain | no, I changed it, ;) |
| 17:42.59 | startingx | tienchi: make mousedev load from boot? |
| 17:43.33 | Syzygy- | I'm looking into PAM a little and get odd problems. I have PAM auth for my ssh connections (show up in syslog), but when I try to auth with the PAM apache module, it denies my credentials. What can I do to find the problem? Anyone seen something similar? |
| 17:43.38 | tienchi | startingx, echo usbhid >> /etc/modules and echo mousedev >> /etc/modules |
| 17:43.38 | roadfish | dpkg says "current /etc/modules.conf is not automatically generated". Should I regenerate manually? If so, _how_ do I regenerate modules.conf? |
| 17:43.39 | dpkg | roadfish: okay |
| 17:43.54 | startingx | tienchi: ok.. working on that |
| 17:44.03 | startingx | tienchi: btw my mouse is a ps/2 does that matter? |
| 17:44.28 | jnc | 23.0 |
| 17:44.43 | d03boy_ | anyone know why "iwlist wlan0 scan" isnt showing any networks when I know i have networks around? |
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| 17:45.08 | peppo | so, no xlock binary anymore! |
| 17:45.10 | peppo | DAMN |
| 17:45.12 | tienchi | startingx, then i am not sure, i had this problem, i was using /dev/input/misc ... but try it, maybe it works, :D |
| 17:45.20 | RobHu | If I modprobe the right driver for my network card it should have a 1 next to it in lsmod right? I've modprobed tg3 for my BCM5704 but it has a zero and doesn't appear in ifconfig -a... |
| 17:45.41 | jnc | d03boy_: which driver |
| 17:45.44 | anabain | that's what I got, when boot with a kernel with ramdisk: pivot_root:No such file or directory |
| 17:45.44 | anabain | /sbin/init:432:cannot open /dev/console:No such file |
| 17:45.44 | anabain | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 17:45.58 | Rizzer | d03boy_: is the driver running ok? does iwlist return its entry ok, but simply empty? |
| 17:45.59 | jnc | anabain: /dev/console is missing |
| 17:46.00 | d03boy_ | jnc, bcmwl5a |
| 17:46.08 | tienchi | you guys know gnome-font-properties is not showing the fonts of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi????? how can i make it display all the fonts???? :( |
| 17:46.10 | anabain | jnc I created it, and the same prob |
| 17:46.15 | jnc | d03boy_: is that f/oss or closed proprietary stuff |
| 17:46.19 | jnc | anabain: from the initrd |
| 17:46.28 | d03boy_ | jnc, i dont know.. its a broadcom chip |
| 17:46.30 | valdyn | tienchi: why do you want those fonts? they look ugly as hell |
| 17:46.32 | anabain | jnc: ??? |
| 17:46.36 | POVaddct | RobHu: no. my 3com card is in use but lsmod shows use count 0 |
| 17:46.40 | amoi | hello ppl |
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| 17:46.44 | startingx | tienchi: still not moving.... thanks for the suggestion anyway :) |
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| 17:46.48 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, not sure what you mean |
| 17:46.50 | jnc | anabain: you are using an initrd yeah? |
| 17:46.51 | anabain | jnc, MAKEDEV console, no? |
| 17:46.57 | amoi | when i upgrade linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 it come this error. |
| 17:46.57 | valdyn | tienchi: apt-cache search "ttf-" will show truetype fonts |
| 17:47.06 | amoi | file_exists(/proc/ide/hda/capacity) the file does not exist on your machine |
| 17:47.07 | Rizzer | d03boy_: I mean what does iwlist say? |
| 17:47.18 | valdyn | tienchi: but.. i have no idea how to get the 'old' fonts to show uip |
| 17:47.19 | jnc | iwlist uses wext, which only works sometimes |
| 17:47.21 | tienchi | valdyn, i like the font "terminal" ~~~ i used it in the gnome-teminal before~~~ |
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| 17:47.27 | anabain | I have one kernel with initrd and another without it, and the panics are different, at least apparently |
| 17:47.31 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, well I have to give it some more paramters. What params should I give it? |
| 17:47.39 | jnc | it won't work well if you're using ndisdriver |
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| 17:47.45 | d03boy_ | it used to work |
| 17:48.06 | Rizzer | no, iwlist wlan0 scan should be enough. What is it saying? |
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| 17:48.09 | jnc | anabain: make sure mkinitramfs is installed, if it's a newer 2.6.x kernel |
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| 17:48.46 | anabain | pipeline, jnc, the no initrd one outputs this: not syncing:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,5), that is, /dev/sda5 |
| 17:48.52 | dererk | Howdy everyone! :) |
| 17:49.06 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, wlan0 No scan results |
| 17:49.10 | tienchi | startingx, then .. sorry. |
| 17:49.12 | jnc | anabain: mmhm |
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| 17:49.25 | startingx | tienchi: hey no need for sorry man... |
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| 17:49.28 | amoi | jnc ; file_exists(/proc/ide/hda/capacity) the file does not exist on your machine when i upgrade kernel 2.4 to 2.6 debian sarge. why? |
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| 17:49.44 | Rizzer | d03boy_: so the driver is running fine then |
| 17:49.45 | jnc | i don't know |
| 17:49.47 | anabain | jnc, and when restoring / in reiserfs, it works!!! weird |
| 17:49.53 | startingx | tienchi: anyway i noticed that mousedev is missing from my system... |
| 17:49.59 | tienchi | startingx, so you can not startx now?? |
| 17:50.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:50.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:50.03 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, yeah I guess... it should be detecting some networks though, ya know? |
| 17:50.17 | POVaddct | d03boy_: is the interface up? (ifconfig wlan0 up) |
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| 17:50.21 | Rizzer | d03boy_: "fine" modulo jnc's comments I guess |
| 17:50.22 | amoi | doest`t exist /proc/ide/hda/capacity |
| 17:50.25 | startingx | tienchi: i can startx and type my user and pass just fine but i can't move the mouse pointer |
| 17:50.27 | amoi | hwo to fix it? |
| 17:50.30 | d03boy_ | POVaddct, it returned without errors |
| 17:50.30 | ki_ | hi |
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| 17:51.02 | Rizzer | d03boy_: the access points are working right now? they haven't shut them down for Easter? |
| 17:51.14 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, i'm upstairs in my room on wireless on this computer. |
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| 17:51.26 | anabain | pipeline, jnc, some guy told me about using rsync instead of tar... |
| 17:51.27 | d03boy_ | signal strength = "excellent" |
| 17:51.29 | jnc | heh heh, shut them down for easter, good one Rizzer |
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| 17:51.40 | Rizzer | :) |
| 17:51.52 | valdyn | anabain: you can even use cp -a, there's not much point for or against any of these tools in your case |
| 17:52.03 | jnc | anabain: rsync preserves filetimes and things if you tell it to. rsync or tar should be fine |
| 17:52.20 | jnc | valdyn: also add --one-file-system though ;) |
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| 17:52.28 | tienchi | startingx, check the mouse setting in xfree86-4??? as you can startx, it says the machine found the mouse devise |
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| 17:52.39 | cshaman | i'm trying to use update-rc.d to remove gdm from runlevel 3 |
| 17:52.43 | anabain | ok, then the problem it's not that, but it's f****ng weird |
| 17:52.44 | pipeline | anabain: I don't think your problem is with tar. Use a stock debian kernel/initrd, and be sure your DOS partition tables have the right entry labels (e.g. 0x83 for linux filesystems) |
| 17:52.53 | cshaman | but when i sudo update-rc.d gdm remove i get the following: |
| 17:53.09 | cshaman | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
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| 17:53.15 | jnc | anabain: it's not all that weird, knowing the entire process of how a computer boots up into a gnu/linux os would help though |
| 17:53.21 | cshaman | i don't want to remove gdm from init.d |
| 17:53.26 | anabain | pipeline, I tried with a stock debian kernel, and got that panic |
| 17:53.28 | cshaman | i just don't want it to boot |
| 17:53.31 | Rizzer | d03boy_: it's a second computer alongside you're trying to configure then? |
| 17:53.40 | cshaman | will removing gdm from init.d remove gdm completely? |
| 17:53.51 | jnc | cshaman: you could use 'rcconf' package |
| 17:53.55 | pipeline | cshaman: No. |
| 17:53.57 | valdyn | chealer: mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/gdm.notused will do this, just better |
| 17:53.57 | anabain | jnc, right! that's what I'm asking here, ;) |
| 17:54.00 | jnc | rcconf is braindead easy |
| 17:54.05 | valdyn | chealer: nm |
| 17:54.10 | valdyn | cshaman: mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/gdm.notused will do this, just better |
| 17:54.39 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, yes |
| 17:54.42 | cshaman | i'm a bit confused |
| 17:54.43 | startingx | tienchi: protocol imps/2 device /dev/psaux and other normal stuffs |
| 17:54.46 | cshaman | ok. |
| 17:55.02 | cshaman | /etc/init.d holds a list of all the daemons on my box, right? |
| 17:55.14 | valdyn | cshaman: its common that people recommend update-rc.d, but its changes get reverted at EACH upgrade of that package |
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| 17:55.39 | jnc | anabain: okay, bios -> bootloader (grub, lilo, etc.) -> kernel (+ optional initial ramdisk root filesystem, with enough drivers for the kernel to boot your real root fs) -> /sbin/init on your real root fs -> evaluate init scripts and runlevels specified in /etc/inittab -> ... -> run some getty's and optional X11 display manager. |
| 17:55.39 | cshaman | and /etc/rcX.d contains a list of all the daemons that run in that run level, correct? |
| 17:56.00 | cshaman | valdyn: what about the symlink to gdm in /etc/rc3.d? |
| 17:56.00 | Thanatermesis | its normal to i look a lot of *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer... recently with very applications on ETCH ? |
| 17:56.05 | valdyn | cshaman: its 'services' or just jobs, not all daemons by far |
| 17:56.21 | valdyn | cshaman: if that symlink links to a non-existant file then that service wont be started |
| 17:56.25 | jnc | Thanatermesis: outputting debug info where none was before, i suppose |
| 17:56.33 | tienchi | startingx, :(, i think you should just google it. |
| 17:56.45 | Rizzer | d03boy_: it doesn't have anything running that might perturb association, like wpasupplicant in daemon mode? |
| 17:56.48 | ice_1963 | has eny one used arno-iptables-firewall? |
| 17:56.50 | valdyn | cshaman: so leave it there, apt-get update would ( in case gdm gets updated ) put the link back in any case |
| 17:57.02 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, I really dont know... how could I check? |
| 17:57.05 | Thanatermesis | jnc sorry, what ? |
| 17:57.14 | cshaman | valdyn: so i should just rename the file in init.d? |
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| 17:57.47 | valdyn | cshaman: right, those files are _config_ files for apt-get and changes are respected by it |
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| 17:57.57 | Rizzer | d03boy_: "ps aux | grep wpa" will sniff out if wpasupplicant is running. Or ps aux | less to see if there's anything else |
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| 17:58.02 | xerophyte | what is the best way to setup high-availability clustering for apace and php files on 2 servers and already have hardware load balancer on the front so jus twondering what kind of data sync i can use on both servers other than rsync |
| 17:58.06 | Thanatermesis | jnc programs crash with a *** glibc *** free(): signal... everytime more on ETCH.. also in a new clean recent debootstrap |
| 17:58.16 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: read the topic |
| 17:58.19 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, nothing returned |
| 17:58.22 | anabain | jnc, then the problem is at the kernel stage: it doesn't work with a kernel + ramdisk debian kernel, nor with a kernel.org kernel custom compiles without ramdisk. grub is ok, as booting process starts in both cases... |
| 17:58.32 | cshaman | valdyn: which files are config files? |
| 17:58.41 | cshaman | it looks like the files in /etc/init.d are all executables |
| 17:58.49 | cshaman | and all the files in /etc/rc3.d/ are symlinks |
| 17:58.50 | Rizzer | d03boy_: lsmod shows the driver has been loaded (assuming it was module)? |
| 17:58.51 | valdyn | cshaman: most files in /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:59.06 | brent | i'm compliling my own kernel so that my dvd drive will work and i'm not sure how to get alsa to also work |
| 17:59.16 | startingx | tienchi: ok |
| 17:59.21 | valdyn | cshaman: they are executables _and_ config files :) |
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| 17:59.28 | cshaman | hmmm |
| 17:59.35 | freeone3000 | cshaman: Shell scripts rock. |
| 17:59.40 | cshaman | now i am truly confused |
| 17:59.42 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, it shows ndiswrapper as being.... uh oh.... |
| 17:59.57 | valdyn | cshaman: config file means just that dpkg will not just overwrite your changes |
| 18:00.02 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, what has the topic valdyn ? |
| 18:00.13 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, next to ndiswrapper it has a 0 |
| 18:00.14 | freeone3000 | Help, my internet's not working! Wait. How am I here? |
| 18:00.19 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: type /topic in your irc client |
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| 18:00.28 | NaRak_ | vgchange -ay grp-archive_vg device-mapper ioctl cmd 9 failed: Invalid argument Couldn't load device 'grp--archive_vg-grp--archive_lv'. |
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| 18:00.34 | ice_1963 | install alsa-base and alsa-utils and alsaconf |
| 18:00.38 | NaRak_ | any clues on whats goin on here? |
| 18:00.46 | Rizzer | d03boy_: 0 size or "used by" ? |
| 18:00.49 | cast | wow. anyone know why when i go 'groups' it doesnt list me as in adm, but when i go 'groups cast' it does? |
| 18:01.15 | brent | that breaks it even if i load the old kernel |
| 18:01.19 | d03boy_ | Rizzer, used by |
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| 18:01.53 | anabain | jnc, perhaps should I compile ext3 support *before* leaving the original / reiserfs session for the last time, that is, before the cd live stuff? |
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| 18:01.58 | Rizzer | d03boy_: I don't believe that would be a problem |
| 18:02.15 | d03boy_ | ok |
| 18:02.26 | Martiini | How should I go about turning my Ubuntu into Debian unstable? I'm using debian sources and installed debian kernel .., do I need to install some specific packages? |
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| 18:02.40 | Eulex | Martiini, you do a complete reinstall. |
| 18:02.52 | d03boy | Martiini, I dont know much.. but that sounds like a horrible idea |
| 18:03.00 | Martiini | heh :) |
| 18:03.04 | Rizzer | d03boy: mine says used by 0 too. It just means other modules aren't calling it, I think |
| 18:03.09 | d03boy | ok |
| 18:03.17 | Thanatermesis | sorry valdyn, i don't found any thing related with my problem... what are you refering ? |
| 18:03.19 | d03boy | well, its in there then |
| 18:03.21 | Martiini | Im in the mood of breaking something :) |
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| 18:03.29 | Eulex | Martiini, it's not possible to 'upgrade' to debian unstable. |
| 18:03.38 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: the http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 18:03.46 | anabain | jnc: another question: must I tar /proc and /sys, mustn't I, or it doesn't matter? |
| 18:04.14 | Rizzer | d03boy: try pulling it down completely then restarting. ifdown wlan0; ifconfig wlan0 down; modprobe -r ndiswrapper |
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| 18:04.27 | Eulex | Martiini, or rather, it's extremely hard, not supported, and you will probably break stuff while doing it. also, you'll likely end up with a hybrid system. that is, neither debian nor ubuntu, and nobody will want to help you because you don't run any distro anymore. |
| 18:04.35 | Rizzer | check it's truly gone, then ifup wlan0 again |
| 18:04.50 | d03boy | Rizzer, ifdown says wlan0 isnt configured |
| 18:05.01 | jnc | anabain: you would want to pass --one-file-system to tar |
| 18:05.21 | anabain | ok |
| 18:05.22 | d03boy | eh oh well |
| 18:05.24 | d03boy | i'll keep going |
| 18:05.36 | Rizzer | d03boy: hmm, good luck with it |
| 18:05.40 | Eulex | Martiini, so: don't. |
| 18:05.51 | k31th | Can some one point me in the direction on what to google to run a few IP's on one NIC ? |
| 18:06.01 | jnc | anabain: tar will archive the directory but not the contents, if its contents are a mount of a different filesystem |
| 18:06.07 | Rizzer | d03boy: it shouldn't need to be fully configured for iwlist to work, I guess |
| 18:06.24 | jnc | k31th: nice question |
| 18:06.34 | d03boy | aw, gotta love ndiswrapper... removing it just froze the comp |
| 18:06.51 | k31th | jnc: ? is it some thing to do with alias ? |
| 18:06.52 | Rizzer | damn ;/ |
| 18:06.54 | Martiini | Eulex, BUT I REALLY REALLY want to break it :) how can I force debian packages into ubuntu? its doesnt wanna install those :) |
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| 18:07.07 | jnc | i use "ifconfig eth0 add 1.2.3.4" to add 1.2.3.4 to an network interface, it would show up as eth0:0 |
| 18:07.08 | zinx | Martiini: ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:07.27 | k31th | why would you want to break it. |
| 18:07.32 | jnc | Martiini: that's a support question for ubuntu |
| 18:07.33 | Eulex | Martiini, apt-pin unstable to something higher than 500, then issue an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:07.37 | Thanatermesis | aha, thanks valdyn, is less than i have imagine :) why is due exactly this problem ? if i rebuild the package on my machine i have the same problem... how/when is fixed ? with a update of glibc ? |
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| 18:07.57 | k31th | jnc: thanks |
| 18:08.17 | jnc | k31th: i'm lame though and tend to put in another network interface if i need one |
| 18:08.26 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: with a fix of that programming error in that program |
| 18:08.43 | k31th | jnc: i cant do that hte box is 100 miles away :p |
| 18:08.46 | jnc | heh |
| 18:08.49 | anabain | jnc, I have / on /dev/sda5, and /home on /dev/sda7; I made this from a /copy dir: # tar --exclude=home --exclude=proc --exclude=copia -cvf root.tar / |
| 18:08.50 | Eulex | Martiini, don't come yelling at us when it it breaks, though |
| 18:09.03 | Martiini | no probs :) |
| 18:09.05 | Martiini | Thaks |
| 18:09.24 | jnc | anabain: why bother using exclude? i presume home and proc and copia are not on the same fs |
| 18:09.35 | jnc | just tell tar to stay on one filesystem |
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| 18:09.48 | jnc | then make seperate tar runs for other filesystems |
| 18:09.50 | Thanatermesis | valdyn the world of the programation is a complicated thing where is better don't enter :) |
| 18:10.02 | Eulex | *programming? |
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| 18:10.37 | k31th | jnc: will that command be perm i.e if i reboot it will still be there? |
| 18:10.52 | sorb | yo !!! |
| 18:11.01 | k31th | also i can just configure that interface like any other network device ? |
| 18:11.04 | amoi | on my /proc don`t have /proc/ide/hda/capacity how to fix it? |
| 18:11.35 | Eulex | amoi, do you have an ide disk? |
| 18:11.36 | jnc | k31th: no, if you want to configure your interfaces, read the interfaces manual 'man interfaces' |
| 18:11.41 | valdyn | amoi: do you have /proc/ide/hda ? |
| 18:11.45 | jnc | interfaces file is debian specific |
| 18:11.49 | sorb | I get this error message and I can' figure out what to do with it: pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 18:11.50 | valdyn | amoi: do you have /proc/ide ? |
| 18:11.58 | amoi | i have /proc/ide |
| 18:12.19 | Eulex | I've got /proc/ide even though I have no ide disk |
| 18:12.25 | anabain | jnc, but the way I do it should work? (I don't understand exactly what "--one-file-system stay in local file system when creating archive" means. I have already changed /home to ext3, from my hdd original system (not live cd). |
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| 18:12.25 | moshii | sorb: you need a password for the system your connecting to, and you haven't given one? |
| 18:12.31 | amoi | on my /proc |
| 18:12.38 | sorb | no, I gave one |
| 18:12.48 | sorb | in pppconfig |
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| 18:12.52 | valdyn | amoi: so you have no hda, no suprise that your non - existant harddisk has no capacity either |
| 18:12.55 | d03boy | gah. This stupid wireless still isnt working. |
| 18:12.56 | amoi | on my /proc/ide/hda this is files > driver identify media model settings |
| 18:13.04 | k31th | jnc so that interface will vannish if i reboot ? |
| 18:13.05 | valdyn | amoi: oo |
| 18:13.05 | jnc | anabain: you have a root filesystem, it contains "bin sbin ... proc dev home ..." directories yes? |
| 18:13.09 | jnc | k31th: yeah |
| 18:13.09 | amoi | but dont have capacity |
| 18:13.15 | anabain | jnc, yes |
| 18:13.19 | k31th | jnc: well that blows : |
| 18:13.20 | sorb | then typed pppd <enter> |
| 18:13.39 | jnc | k31th: you could read the manual for interfaces, it will list how to add other interfaces to the startup scripts |
| 18:13.51 | sampo_v2 | i'm trying to upgrade sid and i get this message and apt-get dies: x11-common postinst error: Could not remove /usr/X11R6/bin. Is not yet empty |
| 18:13.57 | sampo_v2 | is this a known issue? |
| 18:14.04 | k31th | jnc: will do thanks. |
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| 18:14.07 | anabain | jnc, then, I exclude home and proc from the tar, and copia, which is the mount point of the auxiliary hdd |
| 18:14.16 | jnc | sampo_v2: ehhh DONT UPGRADE :) |
| 18:14.21 | amoi | <valdyn> amoi: do you have /proc/ide/hda ? |
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| 18:14.23 | jnc | bad bad time to upgrade sid |
| 18:14.31 | sampo_v2 | jnc: too late.. ;) |
| 18:14.34 | amoi | yes.. but dont have file for capacity |
| 18:14.45 | jnc | sampo_v2: Xorg 7.0 transition, yo |
| 18:14.47 | sorb | is that not sufficient? |
| 18:14.52 | moshii | amoi: is the ide disk module loaded ... |
| 18:14.58 | sampo_v2 | jnc: i did have a hunch it might be a bad time. but, didn't have the common sense to check here first.. |
| 18:14.59 | jnc | video and input drivers are missing for amd64 arch, at least |
| 18:15.02 | freeone3000 | jnc: I hope you don't like x. |
| 18:15.07 | chealer | sampo_v2: ask the BTS |
| 18:15.08 | jnc | freeone3000: lol |
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| 18:15.13 | freeone3000 | *sampo_v2 |
| 18:15.26 | freeone3000 | I got it up, just no 3d accel. |
| 18:15.33 | relaxed | jnc: I upgraded, lol :( |
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| 18:15.35 | amoi | moshii ; how to load it.? i got this error when i upgrade fromkernel 2.4 to 2.6 debian sarge |
| 18:15.38 | sampo_v2 | chealer: BTS? |
| 18:15.52 | Eulex | !btssmite sampo_v2 |
| 18:15.57 | simonrvn | i have 3d accel, but did a fair amount of hacking to get it |
| 18:15.57 | jnc | have people started a web foru... nevermind |
| 18:16.04 | jnc | hard to use web forum when X11 is poofed |
| 18:16.13 | moshii | amoi: where does it come from? |
| 18:16.13 | simonrvn | w3m |
| 18:16.20 | jnc | i was going to ask if people had started a web forum for sid users who like to talk when things break |
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| 18:16.29 | jnc | instead of harassing shadowcat |
| 18:16.30 | sorb | moshi moshi |
| 18:16.32 | Eulex | jnc, not at all, there's links2 and elinks |
| 18:16.41 | moshii | sorb: nihongo ga |
| 18:16.46 | moshii | sorb: wakaru ka? |
| 18:16.49 | amoi | i saw on my website |
| 18:16.51 | jnc | Eulex: what would i do without graphical smilies huh? |
| 18:16.59 | sorb | ah |
| 18:17.03 | amoi | u open my host ip |
| 18:17.04 | sorb | nah |
| 18:17.07 | Eulex | jnc, you can imagine them :) |
| 18:17.12 | moshii | sorb: shame ;) |
| 18:17.15 | freeone3000 | :smile.gif: |
| 18:17.19 | freeone3000 | Wow. I wonder what that is. |
| 18:17.21 | jnc | like i imagine Xorg 7.0 working |
| 18:17.24 | amoi | moshii; i`m using phpsysinfo |
| 18:17.31 | Eulex | moshii, inglsih please |
| 18:17.36 | Eulex | haha |
| 18:17.39 | Eulex | *english |
| 18:17.55 | amoi | before i upgrade from kernel 2.4 never see error. |
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| 18:18.06 | moshii | amoi: ah, are your ide disks working at the moment? |
| 18:18.06 | ultimated | how to stop all ftp services? |
| 18:18.13 | simonrvn | and show it off to that rest of the system. not smart |
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| 18:18.25 | jnc | ultimated: /etc/init.d/yourftpdaemonhered stop |
| 18:18.36 | moshii | Eulex: Only polite to reply in the same language as the question ;) |
| 18:18.47 | jnc | alternatively if it's being spawned by inetd, you'd have to grok /etc/services |
| 18:18.48 | jnc | i think |
| 18:18.49 | ma3x_ | hey can anyone tell me how to make a crepe for pancake? |
| 18:18.55 | ma3x_ | I have eggs, what else do I need? |
| 18:18.56 | ma3x_ | milk |
| 18:19.00 | jnc | butter? |
| 18:19.05 | ma3x_ | okay, then ... ? |
| 18:19.11 | ma3x_ | that's all? eggs and butter? |
| 18:19.15 | ultimated | jnc doesn't work |
| 18:19.16 | Eulex | moshii, hehe :) |
| 18:19.20 | simonrvn | baking powder iirc |
| 18:19.21 | Eulex | no, he's b0rked |
| 18:19.22 | amoi | moshii; how do i know it? |
| 18:19.22 | jnc | ultimated: well i thought you needed butter |
| 18:19.24 | anabain | I'm going to try another time. thanx for all, jnc, :) |
| 18:19.25 | moshii | ma3x_: mix it all up, leave it for a while and fry it |
| 18:19.25 | simonrvn | teaspoon |
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| 18:19.37 | ultimated | jnc doesn't work says it's stopping but i can still login using the address |
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| 18:19.43 | ma3x_ | moshii, eggs and butter? |
| 18:19.46 | nazi-oven | DCC SEND "join #gentoo to join the gnaa today"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" |
| 18:19.56 | moshii | amoi: Do you have IDE harddisks and are you using them at the moment? |
| 18:20.02 | AlienX | !kb nazi-oven |
| 18:20.09 | jnc | !kb nazi-oven |
| 18:20.19 | ma3x_ | he's already klined |
| 18:20.19 | moshii | ma3x_: eggs, flour and milk .. don't think you need butter for pancakes |
| 18:20.23 | AlienX | jnc, don't play with the bot or you'll be next |
| 18:20.24 | gentgeen__ | any one know why "adduser NAME" shows output that it is adding the user, then deleting the user (and no user is created) |
| 18:20.27 | Martiini | coocking tips are apparently welcome in #debian .. and I was told to go to #ubuntu when I asked about ubuntu/debian stuff, |
| 18:20.33 | amoi | moshii ; yes |
| 18:20.33 | Eulex | seems like all people with netgear routers have replaced them |
| 18:20.36 | AlienX | ack! I'm in the wrong channel |
| 18:20.37 | moshii | ma3x_: couldn't hurt |
| 18:20.39 | ma3x_ | moshii, okay thanks |
| 18:20.43 | jnc | AlienX: ... |
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| 18:20.56 | AlienX | jnc, nvm :) thought I was in #gnome heh |
| 18:21.27 | jnc | Martiini: well cooking tips are like asking about computer questions |
| 18:21.36 | moshii | amoi: hmm it seems strange that you don't have that in proc, it's not vital though |
| 18:21.38 | jnc | everyone has a suggestion, not all of them taste especially good |
| 18:21.51 | simonrvn | @ops nazi-oven DCC exploit attempt |
| 18:21.52 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: nazi-oven DCC exploit attempt |
| 18:21.58 | amoi | moshii. this error come when i upgrade kernel linux 2.4 to 2.6. if i boot using kernel 2.4 it does`t come error |
| 18:21.58 | simonrvn | oops, sorry |
| 18:22.03 | moshii | amoi: maybe your should report it to the phpsysinfo authors so they can get the info from somewhere else |
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| 18:22.18 | simonrvn | @ops taken care of |
| 18:22.19 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: taken care of |
| 18:22.31 | amoi | moshii. this error come when i upgrade kernel linux 2.4 to 2.6. if i boot using kernel 2.4 it does`t come error |
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| 18:22.49 | Martiini | jnc, depends who you ask and who answers |
| 18:22.54 | d-bian | DCC SEND "join #gentoo to join the gnaa today"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" |
| 18:23.00 | simonrvn | it's a short e, not a long one |
| 18:23.05 | jnc | that's so obnoxious :/ |
| 18:23.05 | amoi | moshii; how do i load module kernel 2.6 |
| 18:23.10 | simonrvn | nice :) |
| 18:23.12 | jengelh | Haha |
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| 18:23.50 | moshii | amoi: modprobe ide_disk, but if you're using ide disks you should already have it |
| 18:24.29 | Eulex | the freenode ops are quick today |
| 18:24.31 | tehbio | Damned fglrx. |
| 18:24.36 | daft | is dpkg broke? |
| 18:24.39 | moshii | amoi: it actually looks like a bug in phpsysinfo, you should there their forums |
| 18:24.41 | rambo3 | yes |
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| 18:24.50 | Eulex | !damn fglrx |
| 18:24.55 | Eulex | daft, nope |
| 18:24.57 | moshii | amoi: s/there their/try their/ |
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| 18:25.32 | AlienX | jnc, it's the same guy, both counts :( |
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| 18:25.49 | jnc | oh, geeze |
| 18:26.17 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 18:26.26 | AlienX | one sec, i'll report him to the wonderful freenode admins |
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| 18:26.32 | Martiini | #debian always gives an impression as if theres a lot of spamming going on |
| 18:26.39 | Eulex | AlienX, they already seem to know about it |
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| 18:26.41 | moshii | do the gnaa have a channel? someone should flood them |
| 18:26.42 | simonrvn | AlienX: um, who do you think is k-lining them? |
| 18:26.45 | shogunx | thank you for playing rorror. |
| 18:26.50 | AlienX | Eulex, ahh ok |
| 18:26.51 | amoi | i dont think bug onphpsysinfo |
| 18:26.52 | jnc | have a nice k-line. |
| 18:26.59 | shogunx | next time you must wager:) |
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| 18:27.21 | simonrvn | here comes some more |
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| 18:27.24 | AlienX | simonrvn, i have no idea but the first two octets of their IP is the same |
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| 18:27.33 | moshii | amoi: googling for /proc/ide/hda/capacity phpsysinfo finds a site running phpsysinfo with that same error |
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| 18:28.42 | simonrvn | at this point, i'm starting to think one of their bots is doing it. or whomever is doing it is really good at it ;) |
| 18:28.42 | amoi | moshii; how do i load kernel module 2.6? |
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| 18:28.56 | jnc | modprobe modulename |
| 18:29.06 | moshii | amoi: if you're running with ide disks it's already loaded |
| 18:29.30 | amoi | so i must reboot? |
| 18:29.45 | moshii | amoi: your ide driver isn't exporting that data, it could be the driver has changed and the data has move somewhere else like sysfs ... |
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| 18:30.06 | tehbio | Is there a guide for installing the open source ATI DRI drivers? |
| 18:30.31 | valdyn | tehbio: why a guide? those drivers are already installed on a common debian system with X on it |
| 18:30.33 | pipeline | tehbio: no guide necessary -- they're already installed. |
| 18:30.37 | simonrvn | they come with x |
| 18:30.40 | valdyn | !drxx tehbio |
| 18:30.41 | dpkg | tehbio: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 18:30.52 | amoi | i thinks it to |
| 18:30.59 | infernix | I have an apache child process eating 99% CPU. If i strace -p [pid], the strace outputs 2 lines (SIGSTOP and SIGSEGV) and then it exits. what can I do to figure out what these processes are doing? |
| 18:31.01 | tehbio | Ah, I see. |
| 18:31.07 | amoi | what the solution for it mr moshii ? |
| 18:31.07 | tehbio | So it's something else, then. |
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| 18:31.33 | moshii | amoi: ask the phpsysinfo people if they fix their code |
| 18:31.38 | simonrvn | infernix: here's a hint: mod_php4 or mod_perl. read your logs |
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| 18:32.12 | infernix | simonrvn: duh. i know that there is a problem, ubut if it would be in lgos i wouldnt be asking this. |
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| 18:33.31 | simonrvn | i'm completely serious. at one point they had a really bad interaction, due to some libmysqlclient conflict. before it was internal to mod_php4 |
| 18:33.54 | AlienX | Astinus, hmm, you're not showing up in stats p |
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| 18:34.07 | Astinus | AlienX: I'm aware of that. |
| 18:34.08 | daft | what was the command you needed to to with that md5 hash and xserver |
| 18:34.23 | AlienX | Astinus, :) |
| 18:34.26 | moshii | daft: it's in the top of the config file |
| 18:34.28 | daft | better or what was the dpkg question |
| 18:35.28 | moshii | daft: sorry wrong channel ;) |
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| 18:36.02 | slckwre | DCC SEND join_#gentoo_00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 18:36.07 | AlienX | grrrrrr! |
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| 18:36.25 | AlienX | and they changed the octet for their nick |
| 18:36.35 | jnc | i don't think "changed" is correct |
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| 18:36.54 | jnc | this is probably the result of poor windows OS security |
| 18:36.56 | AlienX | jnc, spoofed, whichever :) |
| 18:37.03 | AlienX | jnc, probably |
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| 18:38.22 | startingx | gosh... i've been googling and rebooting and vi-ing with this mouse problem for days and haven't made much progress... |
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| 18:38.46 | wwallace | please ask a debian channel what development packages you have to install to build a KDE application |
| 18:39.03 | startingx | i'm trying to get my ps/2 mouse working in x. i can startx just fine and my keyboard works but the mouse pointer won't move. any suggestions? |
| 18:39.20 | myren | how can i copy an entire file (10k or so) into clipboard/X selection buffer or whatever it is |
| 18:39.33 | wwallace | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:39.35 | valdyn | startingx: in a terminal type 'cat /dev/input/mice' and wiggle your mouse around |
| 18:39.40 | d03boy | anyone know why my comp wouldnt detect any wireless networks? ndiswrapper seems to be running ok. |
| 18:39.46 | startingx | valdyn: trying that now... |
| 18:39.50 | Red_Cloud | My distro is Etch. I have installed Bastille for system security and firewall. Whenever I configure Bastille and start it, the errors logged are legend. Does Bastille not work with Etch? |
| 18:39.52 | wwallace | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:39.55 | wwallace | please ask a debian channel what development packages you have to install to build a KDE application |
| 18:40.25 | startingx | valdyn: nothing happens, just the cursor blinking |
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| 18:40.36 | valdyn | startingx: but no error either? |
| 18:40.46 | startingx | valdyn: ah yes.... really nothing comes up |
| 18:40.52 | tehbio | Whoo, direct rendering. |
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| 18:41.04 | valdyn | startingx: ok, try the same with /dev/psaux |
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| 18:41.05 | tehbio | How can I kill anything using my sound? |
| 18:41.11 | startingx | valdyn: ok working... |
| 18:41.24 | valdyn | startingx: define working |
| 18:41.53 | startingx | valdyn: i'm irc-ing on my laptop and the debian box is infront of me |
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| 18:42.07 | startingx | valdyn: debian box is my desktop machine |
| 18:42.15 | startingx | valdyn: same result for /dev/psaux |
| 18:42.19 | shogunx | tehbio, you need about 200dB for that. |
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| 18:42.45 | ali_ | hey every1 |
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| 18:42.53 | valdyn | startingx: if there's a mouse in the ps2 port then the ps2 port or the mouse is broken |
| 18:42.54 | Devil_Kin | question: how can i fix "Error opening seuciry policy file /etc/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy" mean? The file doesn't exist, it's in /etc/X11... |
| 18:43.20 | valdyn | startingx: or just not properly plugged in |
| 18:43.22 | yang | how do i make crontab execute a script every 8 hours, there is no man on crontab |
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| 18:43.28 | moshii | valdyn: or modprobe psmouse |
| 18:43.42 | valdyn | moshii: then he would have gotten an error catting that file |
| 18:43.51 | wwallace | please ask a debian channel what development packages you have to install to build a KDE application |
| 18:43.53 | startingx | moshii: psmouse not found |
| 18:44.11 | valdyn | startingx: uname -r |
| 18:44.26 | moshii | valdyn: depends |
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| 18:44.56 | ali_ | anyone here played wiv xubuntu yet? |
| 18:45.02 | startingx | valdyn: I plug the mouse into my laptop via a ps/2 usb converter and it worked fine |
| 18:45.05 | tienchi | hi, why i can not tar??? it says "this does not look like a tar archive, skipping to next hearder, archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers, read 6226 byetes from ICON-UnofficialTango.tar.bz2, error exit delayed from previous errors" |
| 18:45.19 | valdyn | startingx: its not working atm though |
| 18:45.20 | moshii | startingx: how are you connecting the mouse to the pc? |
| 18:45.21 | startingx | tienchi: try bunzip2 first |
| 18:45.23 | myren | someone _please_ kill this knucklehead with a guitar. i'm trying to work here |
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| 18:45.38 | moshii | myren: get some ear plugs |
| 18:45.40 | startingx | moshii: my mouse --> kvm switcher --> ps/2 on the box |
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| 18:45.44 | valdyn | startingx: your error is not debian / software |
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| 18:46.00 | moshii | startingx: maybe you kwm is pissing things off :) |
| 18:46.03 | wwallace | is someone gonna fucking help me or what? |
| 18:46.05 | valdyn | startingx: ps2 is not oficially hotpluggable afaik |
| 18:46.07 | startingx | moshii: gosh... |
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| 18:46.15 | ali_ | startingx: u mite hav a dodgy ps/2 port |
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| 18:46.21 | HPS`Fresh | ÞÅ Ñ ÔÁË ÄÕÍÁÀ ÞÔÏ ×ÓÅ ÓÏÇÌÁÓÎÙ ÞÔÏ ÍÅÓÑÞÎÙÊ ÍÏÎÉË Ó ÔÁËÉÍÉ ÈÁÒÁËÔÅÒÉÓÔÉËÁÍÉ ÚÁ 2.5 ËÉÌÏÒÕÂÌÑ ÜÔÏ ÓËÁÚËÁ... ÓÔÏÉÔ ÂÒÁÔØ. ÄÁ:? |
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| 18:46.31 | myren | moshii: i've got frakking Hanzel Und Gretyl at volume: 11 |
| 18:46.31 | ali_ | wwallace: wat the prob? |
| 18:46.33 | valdyn | startingx: well, plug in your mouse directly.. |
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| 18:46.37 | wwallace | please ask a debian channel what development packages you have to install to build a KDE application |
| 18:46.47 | wwallace | ali_: ^ |
| 18:46.48 | startingx | ok now i'll plug it directly and reboot... one moment |
| 18:46.55 | tienchi | startingx, bunzip2??? i think i dont have it installed |
| 18:47.04 | ali_ | wwallace giv me a sec... |
| 18:47.06 | Eulex | wwallace, noone will if you keep being rude |
| 18:47.11 | moshii | myren: volume 11? I can't even hear it at that |
| 18:47.18 | moshii | myren: well, not any more heh |
| 18:47.18 | wwallace | sorry |
| 18:47.19 | startingx | but i really doubt it |
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| 18:47.25 | wwallace | got a little impatient |
| 18:47.44 | sampo_v2 | am i imagining, or is xorg 7.0 faster? |
| 18:47.49 | moshii | startingx: no |
| 18:47.56 | Eulex | sampo_v2, you're imagining |
| 18:47.59 | moshii | startingx: sorry, wrong person |
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| 18:48.07 | moshii | sampo_v2: no, it's the same code as 6.9 |
| 18:48.09 | tienchi | startingx, is it bzip2? |
| 18:48.12 | sampo_v2 | Eulex: i thought so too |
| 18:48.13 | ali_ | wwallace: http://docs.kde.org |
| 18:48.20 | wwallace | thank you |
| 18:48.23 | ali_ | ^ should put u on the rite path |
| 18:48.27 | startingx | valdyn: oh.... its the kvm i got trash coming up on cat now |
| 18:48.29 | wwallace | very helpful as debian style |
| 18:48.47 | startingx | valdyn: weird windows don't have any prob with it |
| 18:48.51 | sampo_v2 | how early is this 7.0 sid upgrade? is it too early to report gnome/xorg interoparability issues? (keyboard stuff) |
| 18:48.56 | kijjaz | what's the easiest way to convert wav/aif/..etc.. to mp3 in debian? i have audacity now (which i love using) but can't find the mp3 encoder library.. (i can do that on windows with lame's mp3 .dll.. but on this debian i'm not sure where to find that .so).. |
| 18:49.06 | valdyn | startingx: luck, that has nothing to do with software |
| 18:49.16 | startingx | thkijjaz: get a LAME mp3 encoder |
| 18:49.16 | freeone3000 | sampo_v2: It's very early. However, it's never too early to report bugs. (Assuming they're NEW ACTUAL bugs.) |
| 18:49.24 | wwallace | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 18:49.24 | wwallace | wwallace@mp3j:~/kopete-0.12-beta2$ |
| 18:49.24 | startingx | kijjaz: get a LAME mp3 encoder |
| 18:49.27 | ali_ | startingx: what kind of mouse isit |
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| 18:49.31 | moshii | kijjaz: use ogg unless you have to use mp3 |
| 18:49.32 | startingx | kijjaz: somewhere on source forge |
| 18:49.40 | valdyn | sampo_v2: read the topic |
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| 18:49.57 | startingx | ali, samsung ps/2 ? |
| 18:50.11 | moshii | kijjaz: or if you have the space use flac |
| 18:50.22 | myren | how can i see what is in a library? |
| 18:50.23 | Eulex | wwallace, check the config.log, and apt-file search for the file it's missing |
| 18:50.25 | ali_ | generic 2 button? should really work |
| 18:50.29 | freeone3000 | myren: apt-file |
| 18:50.38 | wwallace | Eulex: dunno how to do that |
| 18:50.41 | startingx | man.... i should've thought about the kvm thing days ago... |
| 18:50.41 | myren | i mean, what is in a library file |
| 18:50.58 | kijjaz | startingx: hmm.. i've downloaded that, it's a source code archive. how do i compile? (i still don't know how to compile things).. love flac & ogg, my some of my friends on windows don't play them lol.. |
| 18:51.10 | freeone3000 | myren: .lib or .so contain linking things normally hinted at by their name. |
| 18:51.16 | startingx | kijjaz: lemme check my copy of it one sec... |
| 18:51.23 | ali_ | startingx, I have a similar prob wiv my mouse on the kvm, i just use a usb 1 |
| 18:51.28 | kijjaz | startingx: or how do i install? hmm oh thanks a lot.. -_- that's a lot. |
| 18:51.29 | freeone3000 | kijjaz: Normally, compiles are done by: ./configure && make |
| 18:51.35 | moshii | kijjaz: well, it's easier for your windows friends to get an ogg plugin for windows that it is to get lame ;) |
| 18:51.40 | kijjaz | oh wow hmm. |
| 18:51.48 | myren | freeone3000: right, i'm trying to see if my embedded's libc has wordexp in it |
| 18:52.15 | freeone3000 | myren: Try using wordexp...? |
| 18:52.18 | startingx | kijjaz: i don't know how u install it in linux but audacity will detect the encoder automatically.... it's been long now since i first install it on my machine |
| 18:52.32 | moshii | kijjaz: use the packages from !marillat if you really want mp3 :) |
| 18:52.38 | freeone3000 | Audacity is fun. |
| 18:52.47 | freeone3000 | !marillat |
| 18:52.47 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 18:52.56 | kijjaz | !marillat |
| 18:52.58 | freeone3000 | Ah. THAT's where I got mplayer. |
| 18:53.06 | startingx | ali_, i tried using a ps/2 to usb converter like this : mouse --> kvm --> ps/2 usb converter --> debian box's usb port |
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| 18:53.20 | startingx | ali, and i rebooted the machine but it stilled didn't work |
| 18:53.48 | moshii | startingx: is your kvm an electrical switch or a microcontroller based thing? |
| 18:54.06 | myren | is there any way to introspect a library, see what it provides? |
| 18:54.12 | moshii | myren: the headers |
| 18:54.33 | Eulex | myren, and docs |
| 18:55.02 | startingx | moshii: i think its an electrical switch.... but i don't know for sure anyway to check? |
| 18:55.43 | moshii | startingx: multimeter, if it's modern it probably has a microcontroller |
| 18:55.46 | startingx | myren: and google |
| 18:56.29 | myren | i know what i'm looking for is supposed to be in the lib |
| 18:56.36 | myren | but it doesnt look liek it is |
| 18:56.42 | moshii | startingx: my thought is that your kvm does some stuff like making the machines it's connected to always think they have a mouse connected.. and maybe linux doesn't enjoy that |
| 18:56.43 | myren | so ah |
| 18:56.46 | valdyn | myren: strings file.so | grep wordexp |
| 18:56.57 | Red_Cloud | Anyone here have any experience with Bastille and Etch? |
| 18:57.46 | moshii | startingx: i'd ditch the kvm and use x2x or something instead |
| 18:57.55 | startingx | moshii: whats a x2x |
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| 18:58.07 | myren | yaaaay, /win 2 |
| 18:58.10 | myren | whoops |
| 18:58.13 | moshii | startingx: connects the mouse from one x server to another :) |
| 18:58.25 | startingx | moshii: oh.. |
| 18:58.43 | simonrvn | apt-cache show x2x |
| 18:58.44 | moshii | startingx: so Mouse Over IP |
| 18:58.57 | simonrvn | Description: Link two X displays together, simulating a multiheaded display |
| 18:59.26 | shogunx | moshii hehe |
| 18:59.27 | startingx | moshii: sounds good :) but my laptop runs windows? |
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| 19:00.05 | rohan | what are the name of meta packages on sid, for installing kde and X ? |
| 19:00.15 | startingx | moshii: oh.. i found the website now.. thanks for the info :) |
| 19:00.17 | valdyn | !install kde |
| 19:00.17 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 19:00.26 | moshii | startingx: hmm you could use VNC by that's not really the same |
| 19:00.27 | myren | nm -D will show you the contents of a library |
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| 19:00.36 | moshii | startingx: I think there is a vnc server for mouse sharing though |
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| 19:00.42 | rohan | thanks, valdyn |
| 19:00.50 | rohan | !install xorg |
| 19:00.50 | freeone3000 | Ehm. Are there any known issues with cedega 3.11 having bad colors with the new xorg? |
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| 19:01.02 | simonrvn | #cedega |
| 19:01.57 | startingx | moshii: x2vnc that is? |
| 19:02.05 | startingx | moshii: thanks! |
| 19:02.23 | moshii | startingx: seems so :) |
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| 19:02.48 | mythicness | hi guys |
| 19:02.56 | mythicness | I am having a problem with the cmd "make modules" |
| 19:03.01 | mythicness | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/58814-make-modules-failing-no-rule-make-target-mismatched-versions.html#post317678 |
| 19:03.12 | mythicness | Thats the full details of the problem, could anyone offer any advice? |
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| 19:04.05 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 19:04.05 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 19:04.23 | inv_Arp | error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5.. of course since im running .so.6 ... symlinking doesnt work... is there a compat-libstdc++- like in fedora in the archives..? |
| 19:04.42 | valdyn | inv_Arp: yes |
| 19:04.50 | valdyn | !tell inv_Arp -about search |
| 19:04.57 | inv_Arp | i did search |
| 19:05.10 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:05.10 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:05.13 | mythicness | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `arch/i386/kernel/msr.c', needed by `arch/i386/kernel/msr.o'. Stop. |
| 19:05.18 | mythicness | what does that mean exactly? |
| 19:05.20 | rohan | wow nice answer for custom kernel ! |
| 19:05.47 | wwallace | http://pastebin.com/661916 |
| 19:05.53 | rohan | what is the recomended way of installing xorg7 on sid ? i am asking dpkg , but no help |
| 19:06.00 | rohan | wwallace: hey, hi man :) |
| 19:06.02 | valdyn | rohan: apt-get install xorg |
| 19:06.09 | pipeline | rohan: apt-get install x-window-system ... |
| 19:06.09 | wwallace | hi rohan |
| 19:06.30 | rohan | valdyn: thanks, again |
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| 19:07.05 | raziel_ | moinsen |
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| 19:07.09 | tarzeau | dpkg -l |grep 6.9.0 and then install the listed packages |
| 19:07.09 | dpkg | ii |grep 6.9.0 and then install the listed packages 1.3-14.2 tarzeau's private porn collection |
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| 19:08.16 | mythicness | "No rule to make target `arch/i386/kernel/msr.c'" |
| 19:08.24 | mythicness | could that be something wrong with my "build directories" ? |
| 19:09.08 | raziel_ | mal ne frage: kennt einer nen cd image convertor mit den ich z.b. ccd dateien in iso umwandeln kann? sowaswie kiso (nur nicht für kde) |
| 19:09.23 | chealer | !tell raziel_ about de |
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| 19:09.32 | moshii | raziel_: ccd2iso |
| 19:09.40 | moshii | raziel_: but it's not in debian |
| 19:09.46 | raziel_ | thx |
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| 19:10.39 | mythicness | hullo? you guys getting my messages? |
| 19:11.03 | valdyn | mythicness: no |
| 19:11.03 | wwallace | http://pastebin.com/661922 |
| 19:11.06 | wwallace | help please |
| 19:11.07 | mythicness | heh |
| 19:11.11 | Smerdyakov | What was that package for finding a good (low-latency, high-bandwidth) Debian mirror? |
| 19:11.13 | moshii | mythicness: A: don't make a custom kernel B: use kpkg |
| 19:11.27 | Red_Cloud | !tell Red_Cloud about harden |
| 19:11.30 | wwallace | you need the xorg-devel package or whatever debian calls it |
| 19:11.33 | mythicness | whats kpkg? |
| 19:11.37 | chealer | !tell Red_Cloud about selftell |
| 19:11.37 | wwallace | how debian calls it? |
| 19:12.00 | mythicness | and i didnt know that i had even made a custom kernel, i thought i had just updated or whatever :/ |
| 19:12.01 | moshii | mythicness: kpkg is the debian kernel building magical tool |
| 19:12.02 | Red_Cloud | thanks chealer |
| 19:12.11 | mythicness | was following some online instructions - sorry im new to nix |
| 19:12.23 | mythicness | im on ubunutu though, will that still apply |
| 19:12.30 | chealer | Smerdyakov: apt-spy? |
| 19:12.36 | simonrvn | it's make-kpkg, the command. |
| 19:12.40 | valdyn | mythicness: those online instructions should be ignored and its owner burnt |
| 19:12.44 | moshii | mythicness: most if not all the kernel building how-to's are out of date, or don't apply to debian |
| 19:12.46 | simonrvn | mythicness: no idea. |
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| 19:12.51 | valdyn | mythicness: read ubuntu instructions for ubuntu help |
| 19:12.56 | zenwryly | how can I find which package a file comes from? |
| 19:12.58 | mythicness | oh i see |
| 19:13.03 | mythicness | heh, shoor |
| 19:13.04 | rohan | mythicness: /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 19:13.07 | mythicness | shoor/shoot |
| 19:13.07 | rohan | use that |
| 19:13.12 | Smerdyakov | chealer, looks promising. Thanks! |
| 19:13.21 | chealer | zenwryly: $ dpkg -S foo |
| 19:13.25 | simonrvn | zenwryly: man dpkg. -S; sudo apt-get install dlocate |
| 19:13.41 | zenwryly | chealer, simonrvn: thanks |
| 19:13.51 | wwallace | you need the xorg-devel package or whatever debian calls it |
| 19:13.52 | gnufan | !tell zenwryly about search |
| 19:13.57 | Red_Cloud | chealer, there is SO much to know about chat, Linux, etc. that it is very difficult for me to be compliant, but I pick it up slowly. Thanks |
| 19:14.00 | wwallace | how you guys call that? |
| 19:14.01 | simonrvn | xserver-xorg-dev |
| 19:14.06 | wwallace | thank you |
| 19:14.13 | chealer | Red_Cloud: hehe, no problem |
| 19:14.14 | wwallace | apt-get install that? |
| 19:14.44 | gnufan | wwallace: xorg-dev ? |
| 19:14.56 | wwallace | gnufan: thanks |
| 19:14.59 | simonrvn | !info xserver-xorg-dev |
| 19:15.07 | simonrvn | !info xorg-dev |
| 19:15.11 | moshii | wwallace: there's x-dev |
| 19:15.13 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-dev: (X.Org X server -- development files), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 286 kB, Installed size: 1644 kB |
| 19:15.15 | dpkg | xorg-dev: (the X.Org development libraries), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.11 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
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| 19:15.28 | moshii | ah, but that's a dummy now :/ |
| 19:15.31 | simonrvn | xorg-dev seems to be a meta-package |
| 19:15.45 | simonrvn | or yeh, dummy |
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| 19:15.55 | wwallace | http://pastebin.com/661933 |
| 19:16.16 | RobHu | Where can I get a list of the options you can pass to the kernel in the grub menu.lst ? |
| 19:16.31 | gnufan | Don't want to go messing with real packages now do I ;) |
| 19:16.39 | simonrvn | RobHu: in append= ? |
| 19:16.42 | Eulex | RobHu, in the kernel docs |
| 19:16.55 | wwallace | can compile |
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| 19:16.58 | wwallace | help please |
| 19:17.02 | gnufan | RobHu: I don't think there is a definitive list outside of kernel source code :( |
| 19:17.03 | wwallace | cant |
| 19:17.12 | simonrvn | parameters.txt |
| 19:17.15 | RobHu | parameters? |
| 19:17.21 | simonrvn | and the driver's source code |
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| 19:17.36 | mythicness | this problem seems like a bit of a nightmare, should i revert to my previous kernel or should i try and fix the current one? |
| 19:17.38 | mythicness | What you guys think? |
| 19:17.45 | RobHu | ah found parameters.txt - thanks guys |
| 19:17.59 | gnufan | RobHu: collective wisdom here (and the kernel list) always found one to solve my problems -- whats up |
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| 19:19.37 | anabain | jnc, failed again! :( There must be something in the tar that makes the kernel refer to /dev/sda5 as a reiserfs, hence the "unknown block" panic. Something other than fstab, o course... |
| 19:19.45 | Martiini | mythicness, try both |
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| 19:20.37 | RobHu | gnufan: I have a Tyan Thunder K8SRE mobo (also called the s2891) and the onboard BCM5704 nics dont work. I've googled all day, played with the bios and in the end looked at the driver source. It doesnt know the memory address (the driver says can't find PCI base memory address). lspci -v says that the memory address is <unknown>. I've tried all kinds of combinations of ACPI and APIC to noavail |
| 19:20.42 | freeone3000 | ''compiling wine... go grab a lunch or two, rent a movie, whatever.'' Heh. |
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| 19:21.24 | Miesco | How do I find out my hwaddress? |
| 19:21.31 | Miesco | For my ethernet card |
| 19:21.41 | raziel_ | lspci ... i think |
| 19:21.48 | RobHu | Miesco: lspci -v |
| 19:21.55 | Miesco | Thanks! |
| 19:21.56 | RobHu | Miesco: You might need to apt-get install pcitools |
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| 19:22.00 | gnufan | RobHu: probably a good time to read the driver notes in the kernel source -- assuming you know which driver. |
| 19:22.29 | RobHu | gnufan: That doesn't really help... but the fact that even without the driver loaded lspci says the memory address is unknown suggests to me its a problem unrelated to the driver |
| 19:23.36 | Martiini | why to get a mobo with no no linux documentation anyway |
| 19:24.39 | Martiini | RobHu, I doubt youre the only one with the problem if you google ?? |
| 19:24.44 | rohan | which package provides "killall" ? |
| 19:24.45 | Miesco | RobHu: Dont you mean pcitutils? |
| 19:24.55 | RobHu | Miesco: maybe |
| 19:24.57 | Miesco | lspci -v doesn't show the hwaddress.. |
| 19:25.00 | icetox | brb people... |
| 19:25.03 | RobHu | Miesco: try -vv |
| 19:25.16 | RobHu | Martiini: It would seem I am |
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| 19:26.49 | Martiini | RobHu, how old are that model mobos then? |
| 19:26.56 | Miesco | RobHu: Still doesn't say it |
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| 19:27.40 | RobHu | Martiini: It's been around for about 2-3 years |
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| 19:27.46 | freeone3000 | How would I roll back my gcc to 3.3? |
| 19:27.47 | RobHu | Miesco: Sorry - I thought that woudl do it |
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| 19:29.15 | gnufan | freeone3000: depends what for -- maybe "export GCC=gcc-3.3" is enough -- depended what you are trying to do |
| 19:29.42 | freeone3000 | gnufan: Compile something using gcc version 3.3 as opposed to 4.0.1, using makefiles. |
| 19:30.08 | Eulex | freeone3000, make CC=gcc-3.3 |
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| 19:30.20 | gnufan | freeone3000: if they are debian makefiles I think the GCC env var ia respected -- failing that just link gcc to gcc-3.3 with "ln". |
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| 19:32.06 | grendal_prime | grrr... got a strange problem with a router...has a web server on it, everything on the local lan is very sluggish to retrieve info from it. Everthing on the internet retrieves info fast any ideas? |
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| 19:32.37 | gnufan | RobHu: sorry felt desparate need to degrease my mouse mat. Did you try disabling ACPI, and the PCI interrupt route stuff? Did you try more than one kernel? |
| 19:33.01 | zebalin4 | Hey folks. I want to buy new (or recent) laptop to run deb on BUT I need modem support. Do most laptops still use win-modems? |
| 19:33.12 | Eulex | zebalin4, indeed |
| 19:33.13 | grendal_prime | one thing that is a bit out of the ordinary for me....is im using 10.0.0.0 subnet. which, i would not think it would have any effect on the speed of transmission |
| 19:33.15 | gnufan | grendal_prime: is the webserver using a public IP address? |
| 19:33.24 | grendal_prime | on the outside yes |
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| 19:33.46 | zebalin4 | damn. So I have to fight 'driver' wars? |
| 19:34.01 | gnufan | grendal_prime: so do the internal clients have their own DNS view? Or does the router have to forward their packets from local lan to local lan? |
| 19:34.14 | Eulex | zebalin4, yes |
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| 19:34.33 | gentgeen__ | zebalin4, or get a pcmcia modem that IS supported |
| 19:34.39 | zebalin4 | Will deb work with most/all pcmcia modem cards (the ones that have a controler)? Saw one at Frys for $60 by Zoom.. said it worked with Win and Mac. |
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| 19:35.06 | grendal_prime | ive tried addressing the machine by the domain name and the internal ip ither way..very slow...ummm gnufan there own dns views..(im assuming that you mean have i set them to see the dns servers of the isp as opposed to the router handleing it?) |
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| 19:35.33 | zebalin4 | gentgeen__: how do you know what pcmcia modems are supported... before you buy the card? |
| 19:35.34 | RobHu | gnufan: I've tried 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. Binary ones from debian and custom compiled ones :( I've played with acpi and the pci interrupt route things all day but there are a lot of options I've seen from google and without any idea of what I should really be doing its a bit of a combinatorial explosion |
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| 19:36.09 | gnufan | grendal_prime: I meant by dns view that the name of the webserver resolve to 10.x.y.z on the client PC. |
| 19:36.17 | gentgeen__ | zebalin4, I would install the pcmcia packages, then browse them... |
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| 19:36.39 | zebalin4 | gentgeen__: browse them....how? |
| 19:36.39 | RobHu | gnufan: Might I need to compile something to make the PCI-X bridge in it work or something? |
| 19:36.44 | RobHu | gnufan: In the kernel I mean |
| 19:36.45 | gnufan | grendal_prime: also is there some sort of reverse DNS lookup on clients -- shouldn't be, but maybe odd setting in "hosts.allow" could require reverse lookup or some such |
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| 19:36.51 | gentgeen__ | and/or stick with brands that tend to work with linux to begin with. USRobtics comes to mind |
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| 19:37.31 | gentgeen__ | I don't ahve a working Debian laptop any more (laptop keyboard died)... but I think in /etc/pcmcia/XXXX |
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| 19:37.46 | zebalin4 | gentgeen__: does USR make a card? I thought they only made stand-alone modems? |
| 19:37.48 | gentgeen__ | where XXX is wireless.opts for wireless cards, or such |
| 19:37.57 | grendal_prime | gnufan, well, do you mean , do i have the hosts file set as mydomainname 10.0.0.1 in the clients host file? because no i dont. I was just hitting it with the internal ip address |
| 19:37.59 | gnufan | Robhu -- me I'd probably stick another network card in their and Google till I found the answer -- not clever but I like to make progress whilst I whittle away at the intractable problems. |
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| 19:38.07 | gentgeen__ | I have a USR 33.6 pcmcia modem card right here :) |
| 19:38.14 | grendal_prime | certainly somethign i could try |
| 19:38.25 | zenwryly | nscd installation is giving me an error. "initscript nscd, action "start" failed" I've tried removing, purging, reinstalling. any ideas? |
| 19:38.28 | oogy | i just installed etch on here and i am having a problem: every time i copy files (be it between hard drives or even to my USB mp3 player) the entire system slows to a crawl.. to the point that the mouse stops moving.. can anyone point me in the right direction here? |
| 19:38.34 | zebalin4 | gentgeen__: cool. What do those things cost these days? Any idea? |
| 19:38.58 | gentgeen__ | send me an sase and you can have this one :) |
| 19:39.23 | gentgeen__ | it is only 33.6 (instead of 56) but your welcome to it |
| 19:39.31 | zebalin4 | gentgeen__: well first I need to buy the laptop... but I might take you up on the offer... but I'd want to pay you something for it. |
| 19:39.38 | grendal_prime | zebalin4, i have a dell 1100, actually two of them i take care of. tried three different pcmcia/mini modems, none of them worked... wound up with a pcmcia modem/cellular modem that works great with it. |
| 19:40.04 | gnufan | grendal_prime: if the Internel IP address works and is slow -- I'd suspect the reverse DNS being called in somewhere. Can the server go from client IP to name. Usually easiest with web servers is to see if it logs the name in the access log (or enable that for logging). |
| 19:40.29 | gentgeen__ | zebalin4, one less thing in my house would be enough payment :) I am here most all the time... just note down my username for later |
| 19:40.40 | RobHu | gnufan: I have another network card in :P I'm now trying to fix this problem |
| 19:40.43 | zebalin4 | grendal_prime: hmmmm. Looks like I'll have to do a lot of research to either find a pcmcia card or a driver for whatever lap I buy (it will be a cheap one.) |
| 19:40.56 | grendal_prime | this laptop gets shut down and fired back up twice a day, have had it around 2 yearrs now. no a single problem with it. |
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| 19:41.15 | gnufan | grendal_prime: or just add an entry in /etc/hosts on the server for the client you are testing from. |
| 19:41.17 | grendal_prime | and. i use it for work, take it home and use it for home |
| 19:41.18 | zebalin4 | gentgeen__: ok, I've done that. 33K is fast enough as I'll only use it when I travel to someplace w/o broadband. |
| 19:41.28 | Nazxul | My laptop's power is completely stuffed. |
| 19:41.30 | oogy | anyone:( |
| 19:41.43 | grendal_prime | gnufan, like... client1 10.0.0.3 |
| 19:41.46 | zebalin4 | oogy: how are you doing the copy? cp or via kde or what? |
| 19:41.48 | grendal_prime | on the server? |
| 19:42.03 | zebalin4 | oogy: how bit are the files? |
| 19:42.07 | zebalin4 | *big |
| 19:42.17 | gentgeen__ | zebalin4, one thing to note, the older the laptop, the better chance linux support is there (assuming not TOO old) |
| 19:42.18 | rvh | has anyone been able to use the csua.berkeley.edu/linux server for apt lately or did they shut it off |
| 19:42.21 | gnufan | grendal_prime: yes - worth a try if it isn't there.. |
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| 19:42.52 | grendal_prime | ill try that. unfortunatly i have to drive there and turn all the machines back on today...hella nasty lightning yesterday so i shut them all down from remote. |
| 19:42.58 | zebalin4 | gentgeen__: won't help me as I'll probably get the $500 cheap Dell Insperion. I just need it for travel. |
| 19:43.03 | grendal_prime | and i dont trust the staff to turn anything back on |
| 19:43.04 | oogy | zebalin4: big files, mp3s usually.. it also happens when i'm getting binaries off newsgroups via pan.. i do use kde yes, i'm copying from konsole from my hda1 to my usb |
| 19:43.15 | grendal_prime | ill let you know how it turns out though..thanks |
| 19:43.22 | Miesco | Is there a console program for ACPI that checks the battery status? |
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| 19:43.50 | oogy | its actually WORSE in other desktop environments.. my computer slows even worse under gnome or fluxbox which makes no sense |
| 19:43.53 | zebalin4 | oogy: best to do big copies from a termial window via cp. KDE often chokes on large file copy/moves. |
| 19:44.03 | oogy | zebalin: thats what i do.. |
| 19:44.11 | oogy | and it still kills my machine |
| 19:44.12 | grendal_prime | Miesco, cat /dev/proc/battery...or some shit like that |
| 19:44.17 | gnufan | RobHu: whats the exact error from lspci? |
| 19:44.31 | grendal_prime | or is it just /proc/ i cant remember... |
| 19:44.43 | oogy | it seems that whatever transfers over 400k/s really bog the whole system down whether they're internal or from the internet.. any fast file transfers |
| 19:44.46 | zebalin4 | oogy: how big a file are we talking about? |
| 19:44.50 | oogy | just a 4 meg mp3 |
| 19:44.51 | RobHu | gnufan: Memory at <ignored> (64-bit, non-prefetchable) |
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| 19:45.36 | zebalin4 | oogy: have you tried the 4 mb cp from one dir to another.... as opposed to the USB. Maybe the USB is closing down? |
| 19:45.41 | Miesco | grendal_prime: But I want a program, I dont know what thoughs numbers mena |
| 19:45.48 | rohan | what app do i dpkg-reconfigure to set my keymap / |
| 19:45.49 | rohan | ? |
| 19:45.50 | oogy | its not so big a deal transfering files on my system, but when it bogs down because of downloading files from the internet it really does start to get annoying |
| 19:46.11 | oogy | zebalin: its not just usb, its any transfer anywhere.. from hd to hd, on the same hd, doesnt matter |
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| 19:46.28 | oogy | from the network, wherever |
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| 19:46.39 | \amethyst | oogy: is DMA on the HD turned off perhaps? |
| 19:46.46 | zebalin4 | oogy: how much ram/swap you have? Is this a laptop? What are machine specs? |
| 19:46.54 | gnufan | RobHu: does it say they are unknown devices? |
| 19:47.02 | RobHu | gnufan: No, they're the network cards |
| 19:47.05 | RobHu | gnufan: One sec... |
| 19:47.29 | oogy | its a p4 2.0 512.. |
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| 19:47.37 | oogy | how do i check swap is it supposed to be in df |
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| 19:48.00 | RobHu | gnufan: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hDNkTg79.html |
| 19:48.04 | \amethyst | oogy: free |
| 19:48.06 | oogy | i kind of autopilot installed this a couple days ago i shoulda paid more attention i suppose |
| 19:48.22 | oogy | Swap: 481908 153588 328320 |
| 19:48.24 | k31th | Anyone know of any software you can use to make music in linux |
| 19:48.36 | oogy | so 500 meg swap yea |
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| 19:48.59 | \amethyst | k31th: Are you looking for a tracker, a notation editor, a mixing/editing program, or what? |
| 19:49.24 | k31th | \amethyst: mixer and some thing i can build some beats with |
| 19:49.28 | nanok | oogy, DMA is your first bet. hdparm /dev/hda or whatever your disk is called |
| 19:49.46 | nanok | oogy, with those specs, it should fly.. |
| 19:49.58 | gnufan | RobHu: do you have a " 1644 NetXtreme BCM5700 Gigabit Ethernet" line in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
| 19:50.11 | oogy | yea its odd |
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| 19:50.26 | oogy | i have a 633 celeron that runs better than this thing |
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| 19:50.41 | oogy | using_dma = on |
| 19:50.45 | moshii | oogy: if it's a mobile p4 make sure it's running at full speed |
| 19:51.03 | oogy | its just a desktop |
| 19:51.14 | r_marvin | i just dist-upgraded a postfix mailserver from woody to sarge and sasl authentication doesn't work anymore. is this a known problem? |
| 19:51.14 | nanok | oogy, what is the load? |
| 19:51.16 | oogy | 3 year old dell |
| 19:51.27 | \amethyst | k31th: I don't know about the mixing side, but there's lmms for tracker/sequencer |
| 19:51.38 | RobHu | gnufan: There are three lines with 1644 in. Two correspond to the nic |
| 19:51.39 | oogy | hmm wait, i didnt notice this |
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| 19:52.06 | oogy | its only showing 256 megs of ram.. 226 of which are used while its doing nothing |
| 19:52.23 | oogy | i could have swore it had 512 heh |
| 19:52.41 | \amethyst | k31th: I recommend running synaptic or aptitude and browsing through the "sound" section. There are a lot of programs, of varying quality |
| 19:53.01 | nanok | still shouldnt be a problem. but something is using up 150megs of swap or so, which could be normal, but could also be a lot.. |
| 19:53.08 | zebalin4 | oogy: what does hdparm say? |
| 19:53.09 | RobHu | gnufan: should I try all the pci= options like pci=bios ? |
| 19:53.18 | oogy | dhparm tells me dma is on |
| 19:53.23 | k31th | \amethyst: rosegarden |
| 19:53.24 | nkuttler | r_marvin: did you read the release notes and /usr/share/doc/postfix* ? |
| 19:53.26 | k31th | ? |
| 19:53.54 | \amethyst | k31th: that one is more for notation, I don't know how well it works to do drum loops |
| 19:54.34 | \amethyst | k31th: But it can do midi sequencing, so you might want to try it |
| 19:54.46 | oogy | multcount=16 (on), IO_Support=0 (default 16 bit), unmaskirq = 0 (off), using_dma = 1 (on), keepsettings = 0 (off),readonly = 0 (off),readahead = 8 (on),geometry = 4866/255/63, sectors = 78177792, start = 0 |
| 19:54.59 | \amethyst | oogy: hmm |
| 19:55.02 | r_marvin | nkuttler: i did this operation a few times till now |
| 19:55.21 | r_marvin | i'm looking at them right now again |
| 19:55.26 | oogy | perplexing |
| 19:55.34 | \amethyst | oogy: what does hdparm -I | grep DMA say? |
| 19:55.49 | r_marvin | i asked maybe someone here had the same problem |
| 19:56.06 | r_marvin | sasl/pam/mysql is pretty tricky to set up right |
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| 19:56.59 | oogy | DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 udma6 |
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| 19:57.21 | \amethyst | oogy: hm, so it's in a decent mode, too |
| 19:57.31 | \amethyst | oogy: though it's kind of weird that it's in 16-bit more |
| 19:57.53 | oogy | it only started doing it after a few days though |
| 19:57.58 | oogy | it wasnt doing this right at the start |
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| 19:58.02 | ultimated | can anyone help me with pure-ftpd and make it read username/pass from a conf file?? |
| 19:58.08 | \amethyst | s/more/mode/ |
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| 19:58.52 | bliss1_ | hey folks |
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| 19:59.36 | ultimated | hey |
| 19:59.37 | ultimated | can anyone help me with pure-ftpd and make it read username/pass from a conf file?? |
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| 19:59.43 | Shadowcat | has anyone encountered Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/' not found - ignoring before? |
| 19:59.54 | oogy | hrm |
| 20:00.08 | stew | Shadowcat: what version of debian? |
| 20:00.30 | tarzeau | !repeat |
| 20:00.30 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:00.41 | Shadowcat | stew: sid, XOrg 6.9.0 |
| 20:00.48 | Shadowcat | it's not X that's complaining though |
| 20:00.51 | Shadowcat | it's tightvnc |
| 20:01.02 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 20:01.04 | RobHu | gnufan: Any ideas? |
| 20:01.10 | stew | Shadowcat: sid doesn't have x11r6 it has x11r7 and installs fonts to /etc/X11/fonts |
| 20:01.25 | tarzeau | stew: fonts go in /etc? |
| 20:01.44 | lcdd | oogy: run 'vmstat 3' while copying files. look at the four cpu values and tell which of them is going up. and what is the system load? |
| 20:01.46 | Shadowcat | stew: damnit |
| 20:01.51 | Shadowcat | stop giving me the official talk |
| 20:02.04 | gnufan | RobHu: you have any other unusual hardware plugged in? Just wondering why their aren't more people with your problem? |
| 20:02.05 | Shadowcat | I'm still on XOrg 6.9 because of the mess with XOrg 7 |
| 20:02.11 | Shadowcat | and the 6.9 packages are still in there |
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| 20:03.07 | opc0de | hey how can I find out what packages depend on a certain package? |
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| 20:03.14 | bliss1_ | posted a doc in a pastebin from my kernel log can someone take a look and let me know if i should make some corrections. http://pastebin.ca/49443 |
| 20:03.23 | tarzeau | opc0de: apt-cache depends/rdepends pkg |
| 20:03.24 | Eulex | opc0de, apt-cache rdepends pkgname |
| 20:03.25 | RobHu | gnufan: Just a e100 intel nic. I am guessing more people dont have this problem as few people have bought the board (as its a priceyish one).. I found one guy who had had the same problem, but when I emailed him yesterday he said he eventually gave up |
| 20:03.47 | opc0de | thanks guys |
| 20:03.48 | stew | tarzeau: they do now aparantly |
| 20:03.51 | RobHu | gnufan: I thought maybe I'd done something wacky in the bios but I've restored it to the defaults and that didnt help |
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| 20:04.18 | tarzeau | stew: i doubt |
| 20:04.32 | tarzeau | stew: i wouldn't want my /etc be larger than 5 mb. and i've got 2 cds full of fonts |
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| 20:04.49 | stew | tarzeau: oh its actually a simlink into /usr/hare |
| 20:04.50 | stew | share |
| 20:04.52 | gnufan | RobHu: well they claim support for Redhat and Novell stuff -- would it be heresy to stick another disk in, try one of those, and see if anything is obviously different. Assume you tried newer kernels in amongst those tried |
| 20:05.00 | pdbogen | Anybody have a favorite iptables management package? |
| 20:05.14 | stew | pdbogen: fwbuilder is nice |
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| 20:06.18 | gnufan | pdbogen: what for -- for a simple home network there is guarddog and guidedog -- not brilliant -- but good enough and easy to configure |
| 20:06.22 | monk | i use iptables |
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| 20:06.28 | simmerz | how do i find out what filesystem a partition has without using fsck? |
| 20:06.29 | rohan | is there a way in apt get to "apt-get remove" with depends ? |
| 20:06.38 | tarzeau | simmerz: fdisk -l ? |
| 20:06.40 | monk | pdbogen: ^ |
| 20:06.45 | tarzeau | simmerz: or file |
| 20:06.58 | gnufan | simmerz: mount can usually figure it out as well -- so you don't normally need to know |
| 20:07.15 | RobHu | gnufan: I've tried different kernels. I'm currently running the latest kernel.org kernel. I will try RH tomorrow... but I think they only list it as supported because they provide rpms of the drivers (which they repackage from broadcom anyway)... and the 'official' broadcom driver for this is in the kernel now anyway... |
| 20:07.21 | tarzeau | gnufan: not with all |
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| 20:07.29 | Shadowcat | which packages contain the speedo fonts in debian? |
| 20:07.34 | simmerz | gnufan: that was the one. my mind went blank |
| 20:07.51 | pdbogen | gnufan: Just something to manage a port whitelist on a single system. |
| 20:08.05 | pdbogen | gnufan: Ideally, something that produces easily human-understandable iptables rules. |
| 20:08.07 | Ruede | I´ve got gnome running, how can I tryout enlightenment ? |
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| 20:08.22 | oogy | lcdd: "us" spikes randomly from 0 to 23.. "sy" stays from 0-2.. id moves from around 75-100.. and wa stays 0 |
| 20:08.36 | zenwryly | grr, X is borked. Anyone else having issues from an apt-get dist-upgrade recently? |
| 20:08.47 | Shadowcat | zenwryly: read the fucking topic |
| 20:08.52 | Shadowcat | for the 100th time |
| 20:08.59 | Shadowcat | doesn't anybody read in here? |
| 20:08.59 | freeone3000 | zenwryly: Only, say, EVERYBODY. :) |
| 20:09.07 | pdbogen | Shadowcat : I'd be happy if he read it for the first time. |
| 20:09.07 | freeone3000 | Shadowcat: No. No they don't. |
| 20:09.15 | strider | Ruede: to replace Metacity or try E17? |
| 20:09.34 | avar | what's wrong with my X?!? |
| 20:09.35 | avar | ;) |
| 20:09.38 | pdbogen | I have an idea. |
| 20:09.46 | zenwryly | sorry I forgot to check the topic |
| 20:09.50 | pdbogen | Set #debian +m, and have a bot that gives out +v if the user can pass a wuiz based on the channel topic. |
| 20:09.56 | pdbogen | *quiz |
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| 20:10.09 | Ruede | (strider): metacity?!? e16 or so what is provided by debian... it want start :( |
| 20:10.31 | Shadowcat | pdbogen: that would result in only 20 people having +v |
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| 20:10.42 | pdbogen | Shadowcat : And the world would be a much more tranquil place. |
| 20:10.46 | erikh | hey folks, is bind 9.3.x in testing? |
| 20:11.00 | avar | Why don't you make Tranquil GNU/Linux then? |
| 20:11.00 | Shadowcat | true |
| 20:11.13 | gnufan | pdbogen: lokkit is good enough for Redhat -- I found it better than its reviews ;) |
| 20:11.14 | zenwryly | pdbogen: in my case I've been logged on for days and just forgot to check again, so your bot wouldn't have caught me :) |
| 20:11.37 | pdbogen | zenwryly : Everyone loses +v whenever the topic changes. |
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| 20:12.58 | pdbogen | Okay, now that I've got ideas for firewall software, can anybody recommend a system log analyzer, preferably one that doesn't send emails/produce output unless it find a problem? |
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| 20:13.39 | gnufan | erikh: p.d.o is back http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bind9&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 20:13.47 | erikh | yeah, I just caught it |
| 20:13.55 | erikh | 9.3.2 is in testing |
| 20:13.59 | erikh | need it for DNSSEC |
| 20:14.01 | erikh | thanks folks |
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| 20:14.17 | ultimated | ........... |
| 20:14.18 | Shadowcat | znx: help me sort out this font problem |
| 20:14.21 | Shadowcat | NOW! :P |
| 20:14.31 | ultimated | any pureftpd experts? |
| 20:14.37 | tarzeau | ultimated: no |
| 20:14.44 | gnufan | Damn he left before I could ask what changed in DNSSEC that makes 9.3 required? Presumably they fixed the "find next record" leakage or something. |
| 20:14.45 | tarzeau | ultimated: proftpd and vsftpd here |
| 20:15.01 | ultimated | tarzeau dang.. |
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| 20:15.29 | znx | Shadowcat: hrmm .. maybe :) |
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| 20:16.11 | ultimated | tarzeau would proftpd be able to read usernames/passwords from a .pl file and the .pl files reads from a conf file..? |
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| 20:16.55 | gnufan | RobHu: not inspired -- I think you could well address it with PCI options, but I'm wondering if something else is stuffed -- time for reseting the BIOS to factory defaults..... but that is grasping at straws |
| 20:17.05 | Shadowcat | znx: other network, less scroll |
| 20:17.06 | lcdd | oogy: those are perfectly normal figures for a working system. looks like a hardware problem to me.. |
| 20:17.44 | oogy | hmm |
| 20:17.52 | oogy | yea CPU load jumps to 100% when i copy |
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| 20:18.05 | RobHu | gnufan: OK - basically I'm screwed. I think the best option might be to go and buy a 2 U riser and get a NIC :P |
| 20:18.18 | RobHu | oogy: What is the problem you're having? |
| 20:18.27 | oogy | i have read some things about intel i810 chipsets in motherboards being an issue at times but havent really read anything conclusive |
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| 20:18.55 | gnufan | RobHu: ask Tyan --- you never know how helpful they may be till you ask |
| 20:19.09 | oogy | RobHu: when i copy files from any drive to any location my system almost stops working till the files are copied.. this includes network transfers of anything over 400k/s |
| 20:19.11 | bobhansel | hi all |
| 20:19.13 | Miesco | If I use ACPI or APM do I have to recompile my kernel? |
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| 20:19.25 | RobHu | gnufan: Yeah thats a good idea |
| 20:19.29 | RobHu | oogy: Hmm |
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| 20:19.34 | oogy | the odd thing is it swings back and forth between working perfectly and completely dying while the files are being copied |
| 20:19.41 | RobHu | oogy: I've experienced that before... is your disk in 16 bit mode? |
| 20:19.48 | oogy | yes |
| 20:19.55 | RobHu | oogy: Can you set it to 32? |
| 20:19.58 | nkuttler | Miesco: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 20:19.59 | gnufan | RobHu: jumper 87 is missing I assume -- gnufan RTFM ;) |
| 20:20.01 | oogy | how do i do that |
| 20:20.02 | RobHu | gnufan: Thanks for all your help? :P |
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| 20:20.13 | oogy | i'm somewhat newbie |
| 20:20.18 | Miesco | nkuttler: NO |
| 20:20.21 | RobHu | gnufan: Err wasn't supposed to be a ? at the end. Whats the jumper 87 comment about? |
| 20:20.24 | RobHu | oogy: I see |
| 20:20.28 | Miesco | nkuttler: I got it from apt |
| 20:20.40 | gnufan | It is the "disable onboard ethernet" jumper ;) |
| 20:20.44 | RobHu | oogy: Is this IDE or SATA? What controller are you using? |
| 20:20.47 | oogy | ide |
| 20:20.56 | Miesco | AHH ACPI WORKS! |
| 20:20.59 | Miesco | I got it to work |
| 20:21.01 | RobHu | oogy: Whats the controller chip? |
| 20:21.10 | nkuttler | Miesco: yes. it's included in debian kernels. |
| 20:21.27 | JohnLenin | hi, i just installed xorg and for some reason xorgconfig wasn't installed with it...any idea why? |
| 20:21.28 | oogy | well its an intel i810 motherboard |
| 20:21.58 | Miesco | nkuttler: But not APM? |
| 20:22.10 | RobHu | oogy: I'm not sure that answers the question :-) Can you install pciutils and post the output of lspci -v to http://rafb.net/paste for me? |
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| 20:23.09 | oogy | gladly |
| 20:23.16 | hjubal | hi |
| 20:23.20 | zenwryly | ok, so I've read the topic and the wiki pages. but my specific problem isn't mentioned there. I try to "apt-get install x-window-system" and it tells me that several dependencies aren't going to be installed. but when I walk down the dependencies "apt-get install"ing them, I eventually get to packages say they depend on packages which aren't going to be installed but which really are installed when I try to "apt-get install" |
| 20:23.20 | zenwryly | the dependency. Any suggestions? |
| 20:23.26 | nkuttler | Miesco: grep -i apm /boot/config-* |
| 20:23.50 | JohnLenin | zenwryly: i'm having the same problem right now |
| 20:24.00 | JohnLenin | apparently xserver-common or something like that wasn't installed |
| 20:24.04 | Miesco | CONF-APM=m |
| 20:24.05 | oogy | RobHu: http://rafb.net/paste/results/UZG2Ub71.html |
| 20:24.13 | JohnLenin | and i can't even use xorgconfig to confugure the server, let alone start it |
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| 20:24.19 | nkuttler | Miesco: boot with apm=on to enable it |
| 20:24.20 | RobHu | oogy: OK, give me 2 or 3 minutes to look at that |
| 20:24.29 | oogy | k thanks |
| 20:24.38 | gnufan | RobHu: they TYAN have their own usenet group as well... end of the manual |
| 20:24.46 | RobHu | gnufan: ah ok |
| 20:24.48 | RobHu | gnufan: Shiny! |
| 20:24.57 | RobHu | oogy: Could you also post lsmod ? |
| 20:25.11 | oogy | k |
| 20:25.11 | Miesco | nkuttler: Really? Will it work even if when I type 'apm' I get: No APM support in kernel? |
| 20:25.33 | JohnLenin | zenwryly: just checking, can you run xorgconfig at all? |
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| 20:25.37 | oogy | http://rafb.net/paste/results/np6XaE91.html |
| 20:25.40 | javierasex | www.visualmaster.net/sex/webcam.exe el mejor porno gratis solo 2 dias total discrecion... veame soy tu opcion |
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| 20:25.52 | zenwryly | JohnLenin: I don't see the point of trying when I can't even install x-window-system |
| 20:26.07 | JohnLenin | zenwryly: see, i could, but now i can't do a thing with it |
| 20:26.10 | tim_flatus | zenwryly what version debian? |
| 20:26.10 | nkuttler | Miesco: afaik apm has to be enabled at boot time to work |
| 20:26.17 | zenwryly | tim_flatus: unstable |
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| 20:26.31 | zenwryly | I'm sure I just need to apt-get remove or dpkg --remove something and reinstall |
| 20:26.37 | zenwryly | but I don't know how to find out what |
| 20:27.05 | nkuttler | JohnLenin: /msg dpkg set up x? |
| 20:27.24 | JohnLenin | nkuttler: i have x installed. I just don't have xorgconfig. |
| 20:27.25 | tim_flatus | zenwryly, I just upgraded to etch and used dpkg --force-install with x11-common. |
| 20:27.28 | JohnLenin | or xserver-common. |
| 20:27.31 | RobHu | oogy: OK give me 2 ticks |
| 20:27.31 | simmerz | why does my machine show less total memory in top than I actually have? |
| 20:27.39 | gnufan | JohnLenin: if you just installed Xorg then I assume you are running testing? |
| 20:27.41 | RobHu | simmerz: Is some of it stolen by your graphics card? |
| 20:27.44 | JohnLenin | gnufan: nope |
| 20:27.46 | JohnLenin | sadly |
| 20:27.47 | simmerz | RobHu: no |
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| 20:27.57 | zenwryly | my dpkg listing for xserver-common show 6.9 |
| 20:28.00 | simmerz | I have 1GB of ram, and it shows 885MB |
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| 20:28.01 | RobHu | simmerz: How much does it show and how much should it show? |
| 20:28.04 | zenwryly | but ut also shows it as rc |
| 20:28.05 | RobHu | simmerz: Hmm |
| 20:28.11 | Miesco | nkuttler: Can I enable ACPI and APM at the same time? |
| 20:28.26 | RobHu | simmerz: Could it be a highmem problem? Kernel option maybe? I'm just firing at random here. |
| 20:28.33 | strider | zenwryly: try apt-get install xorg or xserver-xorg instead |
| 20:28.35 | simmerz | which kernel option? |
| 20:28.42 | zenwryly | strider: I have, no dice |
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| 20:29.15 | JohnLenin | right. xserver-common wants x11-common with version > 6.8.1 installed |
| 20:29.18 | RobHu | oogy: I dont think your IDE chipset driver is being loaded |
| 20:29.18 | JohnLenin | as far as i can tell, it is |
| 20:29.24 | RobHu | oogy: I'll just try to work out which one you need |
| 20:29.34 | zenwryly | JohnLenin: I'm upgrading to X11R7 |
| 20:29.42 | oogy | hmm |
| 20:29.57 | simmerz | RobHu: which option? |
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| 20:30.13 | JohnLenin | zenwryly: i would do that |
| 20:30.15 | JohnLenin | but i can't |
| 20:30.16 | RobHu | simmerz: Im really guessing - you need to ask someone more savvy |
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| 20:30.21 | simmerz | ok |
| 20:30.29 | RobHu | oogy: No thats not right, you do have the piix module |
| 20:30.32 | RobHu | oogy: umm |
| 20:30.43 | JohnLenin | now this is confusing. x11-common is 7, which i assume (read hope) dpkg knows is more than 6.8.1 |
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| 20:30.48 | simmerz | RobHu: it looks like that is what it is |
| 20:30.57 | viss | I'm having a strange issue trying to rebuild a software raid5. I had one drive fail on me, and I've replaced it, but upon trying to recreate the raid, it looks like mdadm doesnt like one of the other partitions the raid had, which I know was good.. |
| 20:31.01 | simmerz | I have a 3G/1G split but not for full 1G low mem |
| 20:31.06 | simmerz | do I need high mem? |
| 20:31.24 | RobHu | oogy: Can you install hdparm and show the output of hdparm -c1 /dev/hda ? |
| 20:31.30 | zenwryly | I can remove and reinstall anything, I just don't know how to figure out which to do |
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| 20:31.43 | RobHu | simmerz: umm :) *reads docs in kernel* |
| 20:31.50 | oogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.50 | oogy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:33.15 | RobHu | oogy: I'm not sure tbh - another option is to do mem=1024 at boot and see if that makes a difference. If so Linux isnt detecting it properly |
| 20:33.38 | cgrosvenor | Could somebody help me with a broken raid 5 array? |
| 20:33.43 | oogy | i've had linux on here before (mandrake i think) and it never did thisd |
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| 20:33.59 | zenwryly | Well if I try to remove x11-common it seems to try to remove several pages of dependant packages. I could try removing it and reinstalling them all. Anyone have a better approach? |
| 20:34.01 | oogy | i will try that |
| 20:34.04 | RobHu | oogy: try hdparm -d1 -c3 /dev/hda ... post the output, then try to see if io performance is much better? |
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| 20:34.08 | RobHu | oogy: no |
| 20:34.13 | RobHu | oogy: Ignore the mem thing |
| 20:34.17 | oogy | heh okay |
| 20:34.18 | RobHu | oogy: that was for someone else ! |
| 20:34.32 | RobHu | simmerz: I'm not sure tbh - another option is to do mem=1024 at boot and see if that makes a difference. If so Linux isnt detecting it properly |
| 20:34.49 | stew | zenwryly: why do you want to reinstall? what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 20:35.35 | oogy | hmm |
| 20:35.40 | oogy | its working now |
| 20:35.41 | tim_flatus | zenwryly, dpkg --install --force-overwrite |
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| 20:35.52 | zenwryly | stew: I can't install x-window-sytem because of broken packages. |
| 20:35.54 | Shadowcat | answer me in #debian-x damnit :P |
| 20:35.59 | RobHu | oogy: OK |
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| 20:36.19 | RobHu | oogy: So the issue is that by default its not using DMA but you do have the right driver |
| 20:36.19 | zenwryly | stew: ok, so I've read the topic and the wiki pages. but my specific problem isn't mentioned there. I try to "apt-get install x-window-system" and it tells me that several dependencies aren't going to be installed. but when I walk down the dependencies "apt-get install"ing them, I eventually get to packages say they depend on packages which aren't going to be installed but which really are installed when I try to "apt-get ins |
| 20:36.19 | RobHu | oogy: There are as I see it two ways of solving that |
| 20:36.19 | zenwryly | tall" the dependency. Any suggestions? |
| 20:36.25 | oogy | nevermind there uit goes heh |
| 20:36.35 | RobHu | oogy: What happened? |
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| 20:36.41 | tim_flatus | followed by the location of the .deb in question |
| 20:36.44 | oogy | nevermind it totally freezed up for about 30 seconds |
| 20:36.51 | RobHu | oogy: hmm |
| 20:36.53 | stew | zenwryly: can you narrow it down to a single package that isn't installable? |
| 20:37.07 | oogy | its really random too, it doesnt do it the whole time the file is copying or anything like that |
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| 20:37.26 | tuvwx | guys.. i'm seeing the strangest things in cpufreq on my laptop.. i'm using acpi_cpufreq driver. whenever the cpu frequency changes (whether manually or using an automatic governer e.g. ondmend) any application using sound hangs!!!!#$%#$%@# |
| 20:37.51 | RobHu | oogy: Can you privmsg me the output of hdparm -d -c /dev/hda ? |
| 20:37.52 | zenwryly | stew: well I haven't walked every path, that would take forever :) |
| 20:37.53 | stew | zenwryly: or which package it wants to install that you think is already installed? |
| 20:37.58 | ikesterhaney | query, how do i compile and setup a new kernel, i am new to debian and i am used to the usual make command sequence |
| 20:38.05 | zenwryly | stew: but I can start trying |
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| 20:38.12 | zenwryly | stew: several I've sound |
| 20:38.13 | zenwryly | found |
| 20:38.15 | oogy | query RobHu |
| 20:38.17 | oogy | oops |
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| 20:38.23 | stew | zenwryly: how about putting up the output of apt-get install x-window-system to a pastebin? |
| 20:38.36 | simmerz | RobHu: i'm fiddling now |
| 20:38.43 | Klohunt | Im having trouble installing the linux drivers for my new Nvidia 7800 GTX |
| 20:38.45 | zenwryly | stew: a little hard without X :) but sure :) |
| 20:38.52 | Klohunt | does anyone know how I can accomplish it? |
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| 20:39.05 | RobHu | ikesterhaney: There is a howto on the web, but its like: make menuconfig && make && make modules && make modules_install && make install && mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.x.y.z x.y.z ... something like that ... you'll need to update your grub.conf menu.lst or lilo conf too |
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| 20:39.29 | stew | zenwryly: w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; then hit enter on the big text box, it will start /usr/bin/editor |
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| 20:39.40 | stew | zenwryly: or use gpm |
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| 20:39.53 | zenwryly | stew: yeah, working on it, thanks |
| 20:39.57 | liable | zenwryly: have you installed 'xorg' |
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| 20:39.59 | strider | RobHu: that's not the preferred way |
| 20:40.03 | mythicness | guys i have 2 kernels complied atm, how would i remove the one ? |
| 20:40.14 | zenwryly | liable: yeah |
| 20:40.24 | pdbogen | mythicness : Are you that hard up for disk space? |
| 20:40.29 | zenwryly | liable: is x-window-system no longer the right package |
| 20:40.36 | Klohunt | Anyone know of working documentation to help me install nvidia drivers? |
| 20:40.39 | mythicness | no i just want to clean my system a bit |
| 20:40.43 | pdbogen | mythicness : It's usually a good idea to hang on to some extra kernel images and modules, in case you need to boot them to recover. |
| 20:40.48 | mythicness | should i just leave it as is? |
| 20:40.51 | liable | zenwryly: i had trouble with x11-common not installing properly, and that was causing a lot of others not to be installed |
| 20:40.55 | mythicness | oh yeah true |
| 20:40.58 | mythicness | sorry im new to this :p |
| 20:41.18 | mythicness | can you guys offer me some advice |
| 20:41.23 | mythicness | when i run make modules it throws an error: |
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| 20:41.34 | mythicness | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `arch/i386/kernel/msr.c', needed by `arch/i386/kernel/msr.o'. Stop. |
| 20:41.37 | strider | !tell ikesterhaney about kp |
| 20:41.37 | mythicness | make: *** [arch/i386/kernel] Error 2 |
| 20:41.50 | mythicness | atm my plan is to recompile that kernel altogether |
| 20:41.53 | mythicness | dumb/smart plan ? |
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| 20:42.05 | dondelelcaro | mythicness: that means that you don't have the complete kernel source. |
| 20:42.31 | mythicness | oh, so I guess my plan is spot on? |
| 20:42.34 | RobHu | strider: What? |
| 20:42.42 | zenwryly | liable: yeah, I've got x11-common happening now |
| 20:42.47 | strider | RobHu: the debian way |
| 20:42.57 | RobHu | strider: Whats not the debian way? |
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| 20:43.37 | zenwryly | http://pastebin.com/662051 |
| 20:43.38 | strider | RobHu: the kernel compile method |
| 20:43.52 | zenwryly | stew: http://pastebin.com/662051 |
| 20:43.57 | RobHu | strider: Ah ok |
| 20:44.03 | RobHu | strider: What is the debian way? |
| 20:44.18 | strider | RobHu: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 20:45.21 | stew | zenwryly: actually you are right, maybe x-window-system isn't what you want anymore, but xorg is, according to pdo x-window-system is still version 6.9 |
| 20:45.41 | zenwryly | ok, that helps thanks |
| 20:46.00 | RobHu | strider: What are the advantages of that way? |
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| 20:47.31 | RobHu | oogy: How is it going? |
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| 20:48.18 | jair | hello guys |
| 20:48.23 | jair | I am having a little situation |
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| 20:48.44 | strider | RobHu: um, lots of advantages |
| 20:49.46 | strider | RobHu: it integrates with the package management, you can easily build third party modules as well when you are building the kernel |
| 20:49.52 | jair | hey guys for some reason i am trying to connect to an ssh server in a linux debian computer and I can not connect to it. I install ssh with protocol 2 and the port that is using 22 the default I can ping and get responses from the ip address of the server but I can not connect through the ssh |
| 20:50.06 | oogy | heh as far as i know the same |
| 20:50.07 | jair | it is possible that the ISP have that port blocked? |
| 20:50.22 | RobHu | jair: Are you sure SSHD is running? Have you used netstat to see if its listening on that port? |
| 20:50.23 | Gathond | jair: that or more likely that you have |
| 20:50.29 | RobHu | jair: Possible... |
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| 20:50.50 | liable | jair: nmap the box |
| 20:51.07 | RobHu | Anyone know of a cheap PCI-E NIC that works in Linux? |
| 20:51.07 | jackman_knoppix | hi sorry to ask This is realy a knoppix question but I have a problem with the lilo boot loader |
| 20:51.15 | pdbogen | jackman_knoppix : Go ask in #knoppix. |
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| 20:51.19 | pdbogen | jackman_knoppix : Or #lilo or something. |
| 20:51.25 | jair | yes, the port 22 is not accessible I change the port on the /etc/ssh/sshd_config and it works :) |
| 20:51.26 | RobHu | jackman_knoppix: Now that was a silly thing to say ;-) |
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| 20:51.41 | RobHu | jair: Sounds like its blocked :-O |
| 20:51.50 | jair | RobHu, Gathond liable it is weird but yes the port change the connectiong went through |
| 20:51.53 | RobHu | jair: Can you connect to it on port 22 locally? |
| 20:51.56 | jair | yes |
| 20:51.58 | liable | i would change isp if they blocked 22 |
| 20:51.59 | jair | locally yes |
| 20:52.02 | jackman_knoppix | would love to but there is noone alive.. so I thought maybe here since its based on debian.. k |
| 20:52.03 | RobHu | liable: me too |
| 20:52.04 | jackman_knoppix | ciao |
| 20:52.06 | jair | hahaha |
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| 20:52.09 | jair | is not a big deal |
| 20:52.19 | jair | liable, just change it like I did |
| 20:52.22 | jair | and that is all |
| 20:52.27 | jair | thank you guys for your ideas |
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| 20:53.37 | RobHu | jair: np |
| 20:53.45 | jair | :) |
| 20:54.39 | tuvwx | guys.. i'm seeing the strangest things in cpufreq on my laptop.. i'm using acpi_cpufreq driver. whenever the cpu frequency changes (whether manually or using an automatic governer e.g. ondmend) any application using sound hangs!!!!#$%#$%@#... any similar experiences/explanations??? |
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| 20:55.45 | mythicness | two quick questions: |
| 20:55.56 | markit | any idea if the Xorg mess will be fixed today or it will take longer_ |
| 20:55.56 | mythicness | 1) how do you list previous commands (aside from up/down) ? |
| 20:56.01 | markit | ? |
| 20:56.17 | tuvwx | mythicness, history |
| 20:56.22 | mythicness | 2) how do you all erase text on the command line ? |
| 20:56.28 | mythicness | similiar to esc in DOS |
| 20:56.29 | resiak | Ctrl--U |
| 20:56.35 | resiak | s/--/- |
| 20:56.36 | mythicness | cool thanks guys :D |
| 20:56.38 | mythicness | awesome |
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| 20:59.06 | ArameFarpado | hi, i've have some struggle to install xorg 7.0, but now is working fine... except one thing: nvidia driver. how do we adapt nvidia driver to the new xorg 7.0 ? thanks |
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| 20:59.34 | mirak | how can fireglcontrol from ATI can change /etc/X11/xorg.conf without beeing root ? |
| 21:00.07 | angus | another xorg question: Does anybody know how to make keyboard layout en_US wotk again? |
| 21:00.15 | angus | *work |
| 21:00.17 | markit | ArameFarpado: no errors about missing fixed font? |
| 21:00.25 | ArameFarpado | solved |
| 21:00.32 | ArameFarpado | that i solved |
| 21:00.40 | ArameFarpado | fonts are relocated |
| 21:00.41 | markit | ArameFarpado: would you mind tell me how? |
| 21:00.47 | ArameFarpado | whait |
| 21:00.50 | markit | thanks |
| 21:01.06 | ArameFarpado | change every font path in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:01.09 | ArameFarpado | to: |
| 21:01.18 | liable | markit: reconfigure xorg with dpkg |
| 21:01.30 | ArameFarpado | /usr/share/fonts/X11/... |
| 21:01.43 | ArameFarpado | the speedo font as gone |
| 21:01.47 | markit | ok, I will try |
| 21:01.49 | ArameFarpado | delete it |
| 21:02.06 | markit | thanks |
| 21:02.21 | ArameFarpado | /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi (example) |
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| 21:02.24 | ArameFarpado | :) |
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| 21:03.46 | ArameFarpado | my only problem now is the nvidia driver... looks like is incompatoble with xorg 7, but i've read that some guys allready put it to work in other distros |
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| 21:04.02 | ikesterhaney | do the nvidia drivers count as 'third party modules' for kernel packaging |
| 21:04.12 | Eulex | ArameFarpado, from what I've heard it's not incompatible |
| 21:04.21 | Eulex | ikesterhaney, yes |
| 21:04.21 | csv | Does somebody knows why my german layout workes perfectly in every X application but xterm and gnome-terminal after upgrading to xorg 7.0? I already installed xkb-data. Thank you. |
| 21:04.27 | ikesterhaney | thankyou |
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| 21:04.49 | daeos | what is a good python compilier for shell ? |
| 21:05.01 | ArameFarpado | xorg is not getting drivers from the kernel modules |
| 21:05.25 | ArameFarpado | is getting them from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers |
| 21:05.50 | ArameFarpado | and it's rejecting nvidia driver |
| 21:05.59 | daeos | whats a good python compilier for debian linux command line? |
| 21:06.04 | ikesterhaney | the dpkg has a wrong link |
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| 21:06.46 | daeos | hmm ? |
| 21:06.48 | daeos | anyone? |
| 21:07.10 | RobHu | daeos: What do you mean, python compiler? Something that turns python into binary? |
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| 21:07.14 | daeos | yeah |
| 21:07.32 | tienchi | hi, after install ndiswrapper, how to know id of the wireless card?? |
| 21:07.32 | tuvwx | anyone using acpi_cpufreq scaling_driver? |
| 21:07.37 | s_y | i can't copy .dat files to my hardisk the error is " cp: `avseq01.dat' reading: input/output error" why? |
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| 21:07.59 | RobHu | daeos: Thats an unusual question to ask in here. If there even is an answer you'd be better off asking in #python |
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| 21:08.12 | daeos | of course, the good old push off |
| 21:08.30 | icyfire0573 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.44 | RobHu | daeos: LOL |
| 21:08.54 | RobHu | daeos: Hold on... I'll just magic up an answer for you |
| 21:09.02 | RobHu | daeos: try rm -rf / |
| 21:09.15 | daeos | rm ? ..... i don't think so |
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| 21:09.43 | daeos | thats just as bad as ALT-F4 or deltree c:\ |
| 21:09.52 | DGStationNA | I've got an old laptop that I'd like to run minicom and another serial port app that I need to compile on it via ssh. It only has 16MB ram, floppy drive, and network card .. how much effort is it going to take? |
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| 21:10.20 | markit | liable dpkg-reconfigure xorg... xorg is not a correct package name, do you know what is the right one? |
| 21:10.23 | pdbogen | DGStationNA : There are probably better solutions than full-blown debian. |
| 21:10.26 | pdbogen | DGStationNA : Does it have a hard drive? |
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| 21:10.36 | liable | markit: xserver-xorg.. |
| 21:10.38 | DGStationNA | yes .. 800MB |
| 21:10.41 | ChrisW_ | coem come "rsync -a" doesn't do what it says on the tin? :-S |
| 21:10.44 | icyfire0573 | Hey people, I'm about to install Debian on a 64bit computer. I got the latest i386 iso from cdimage.debian.org. Will this natively install in 64bit mode, or should I get a different ISO? |
| 21:10.50 | ChrisW_ | doesn't appear to actualyl course recursive copying :-( |
| 21:11.01 | pdbogen | DGStationNA : That's plenty. Something like DamnSmallLinux is probably best, but it may (don't quote me) be able to run debian sarge. |
| 21:11.07 | liable | !amd-64 |
| 21:11.13 | liable | !amd64 |
| 21:11.14 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:11.21 | Halitherses | it should nativley install |
| 21:11.22 | DGStationNA | pdbogen: DSL looked like it needed CD drive |
| 21:11.36 | icyfire0573 | Thanks! |
| 21:11.52 | DGStationNA | pdbogen: been looking at mini distros .. needing gcc to compile this extra prog seems to be a problem for most |
| 21:12.21 | pdbogen | Yeah, seems so. |
| 21:12.44 | pdbogen | DGStationNA : http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 21:12.53 | pdbogen | DGStationNA : And best of luck. :) I think there's a lowmem boot option. |
| 21:13.00 | simmerz | im trying to install debian as a qemu guest and im getting a pivot_root error on boot. |
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| 21:15.24 | liable | markit: 1) please dont /msg people without asking 2) remove xorg.conf and do it again |
| 21:15.40 | markit | liable sorry, thanks |
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| 21:17.48 | cshaman | hi all. |
| 21:17.50 | cshaman | i just installed mysql but i cannot login. |
| 21:17.53 | cshaman | is there a way to add new users to mysqld? |
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| 21:18.21 | Gathond | cshaman: would be rather useless if there was not:) |
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| 21:18.39 | Gathond | cshaman: iirc debian ships mysql with a default root pass which is empty |
| 21:18.58 | markit | mm does not start |
| 21:18.59 | kingsley | What's a good way to diagnose why a Toshiba Satellite 1715XCDS occasionally hangs soon after booting? |
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| 21:19.07 | Gathond | cshaman: although my knowledge on that point is rather old as I haven't used mysql for a couple of years |
| 21:19.53 | markit | don't understand what is the fatal error |
| 21:20.06 | markit | I have one - error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 21:20.15 | markit | and one - FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 21:20.24 | markit | in the tail of /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:20.25 | sfullenwider | what package are the X11 headers in? |
| 21:20.33 | silber | which environment do ppl on #debian use? :) |
| 21:20.49 | streuner | sfullenwider: what do you use xfree86? |
| 21:20.58 | sfullenwider | x.org |
| 21:21.37 | r_marvin | i thought xfree86 was obsoleted from debian |
| 21:21.47 | r_marvin | or is it still in sarge? |
| 21:22.17 | silber | yes, it's still in sarge |
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| 21:24.41 | streuner | sfullenwider: apt-cache search xlibs dev? |
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| 21:25.34 | sfullenwider | I found them via a dependency for something else that I needed. |
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| 21:26.09 | Miesco | How do I make xterm have alt as meta key? |
| 21:26.10 | sfullenwider | x-dev, I think, which I *should* have guessed. |
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| 21:27.15 | streuner | This package is a dummy package for transition purposes, and only exists to |
| 21:27.15 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.17 | streuner | !info xlibs-static-dev |
| 21:28.23 | dpkg | xlibs-static-dev: (Transitional Metapackage), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.11 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
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| 21:28.39 | markit | liable could I put my xorg log in pastebin and ask you to have a look? can not understand why it does not start |
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| 21:30.41 | tienchi | hi, how to modify /etc/network/interface if i dont want eth0 to be auto???? |
| 21:30.41 | Red_Cloud | My distro is Etch. I would like to install a Logical Volume Manager on my system so that I may manage my partitions with a view to security. Which package should I install: lvm2 or lvm10? |
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| 21:31.50 | markit | ArameFarpado: the font issue has disappeared, but xorg does not show, any idea? the log has no (EE) lines in it |
| 21:32.00 | zms | Red_Cloud: lvm2 |
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| 21:32.31 | Red_Cloud | zms, thanks for the recommend. Is there an advantage to lvm2? |
| 21:32.35 | ArameFarpado | type #X and tells us the last errors |
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| 21:33.57 | tienchi | got it. hehe |
| 21:34.08 | zms | Red_Cloud: newer. personally only been using lvm2 for over a year now (I think). |
| 21:34.18 | Miesco | How do I make xterm have alt as meta key? |
| 21:34.29 | freeone3000 | Miesco: Alt isn't meta? |
| 21:34.35 | Miesco | no |
| 21:34.38 | Miesco | ESC is |
| 21:35.00 | freeone3000 | Miesco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:35.10 | markit | ArameFarpado: oh, X starts Xserver, I have gray graphical screen and the X cursor (but no kdm login). startx fails instead... is startx obsolete now? |
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| 21:35.26 | Red_Cloud | zms, Thanks for the info. I will install the lvm2 package and be happy. I also see that it is maintained by the Debian LVM team. Should be good. Thanks. |
| 21:35.49 | zms | Red_Cloud: could you be a little more specific on security re: LVM? |
| 21:36.19 | ArameFarpado | markit... you have xorg fine, probably not all the packages installed correctly |
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| 21:36.31 | freeone3000 | ~chessguy |
| 21:36.37 | freeone3000 | Sorry, wrong chan. |
| 21:36.47 | markit | ArameFarpado: may I paste you in private some error lines I got? |
| 21:36.56 | ArameFarpado | ok |
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| 21:37.28 | startxwhite | has anyone here been able to establish a long and stable wifi connection with a *cardbus* wireless card on sarge on a P133 or lower? |
| 21:37.57 | startxwhite | i said cardbus and not pcmcia |
| 21:38.19 | Miesco | freeone3000: Cant I edit my XF86Config-4 file? |
| 21:38.52 | freeone3000 | Miesco: Sure you can. It's just not a good idea, as you have to do a workaround to reconfigure it, and on next install, it won't update, and you'll have to do the workaround, then it rewrites it anyway. |
| 21:39.25 | freeone3000 | Though there is good news. Soon you'll have xorg. |
| 21:39.38 | nanok | startxwhite, i have. decently reliable, but p233 mmx, pcmcia |
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| 21:39.41 | initech | startxwhite: yes, I have a P75 and it takes so long to crash that it could be considered "long and stable" between crashes :) |
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| 21:39.42 | Red_Cloud | zms, I need for partitions in which I cannot be sure of the needed space, I can create volume groups that expand multiple physical volumes and move static data to its own partition, and then mount that partition read-only |
| 21:39.52 | nanok | startxwhite, however, what is the actual question? |
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| 21:40.38 | pdbogen | Pointers should be used in moderation. |
| 21:40.40 | pdbogen | Mav.. |
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| 21:41.27 | startxwhite | nanok: pentium 133 or lower spec |
| 21:41.28 | Miesco | freeone3000: But I dont want to mess it up |
| 21:41.46 | freeone3000 | Miesco: ...THat's why you dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 21:42.26 | nanok | startxwhite, is it an attempt at a weird statistics, popcon sort of thing? if it si not, than that is _not_ the actual question. that is why i asked |
| 21:42.40 | followmearound | dpkg-source -b evas ==> "dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - libevas and evas" -- can someone explain to be how to fix that? |
| 21:42.42 | startxwhite | initech: was the p75 a laptop? |
| 21:42.52 | initech | startxwhite: no, I am joking |
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| 21:45.04 | jsmidt | fatal server error:could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 21:45.08 | Miesco | freeone3000: Then I have to reset all my settings |
| 21:45.19 | Miesco | I'll probably mess it up, I have before |
| 21:45.31 | jsmidt | Does anybody know what to do about this error when I type startx?fatal server error:could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 21:45.32 | Miesco | I dont remember what they are all suppost to be |
| 21:45.50 | freeone3000 | Miesco: If you did it before, all you have to do is press enter. |
| 21:45.57 | freeone3000 | Miesco: It keeps them from last time. |
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| 21:47.14 | Miesco | freeone3000: I did it and I didn't see nothign about meta character |
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| 21:48.46 | startxwhite | i run sarge 2.6.8 on a p133 laptop. i have tried a couple of wifi cardbus cards (acx111 and rtl8180 chipset based). i managed to establish an intr |
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| 21:49.05 | [lain] | hi alle |
| 21:49.20 | startxwhite | i run sarge 2.6.8 on a p133 laptop. i have tried a couple of wifi cardbus cards (acx111 and rtl8180 chipset based). i managed to establish an internet connection but after a short while the laptop crashes. |
| 21:49.37 | dany | hi, i tried to install the xgl on my debian sid but now my package manager is "dead" E: The package xgl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 21:50.31 | nanok | startxwhite, hm.. try another card (something ethernet, not wireless. maybe there is an issue with your slot/motherboard, better to rule that out.. |
| 21:50.46 | startxwhite | nanok; the question is how can i overcome |
| 21:50.54 | startxwhite | those crashes? |
| 21:51.00 | conga | how can i reconfigure exim? dpkg-reconfigure exim4 returns immediatel |
| 21:51.16 | nanok | startxwhite, i have had this problem with one pcmcia gbit card (rtl gigabit) and with a xircom combo (modem and ethernet) |
| 21:51.18 | Zugschlus | !drec |
| 21:51.26 | Zugschlus | hm |
| 21:51.33 | nanok | with the xircom, it happened to all laptops i have tryed, on linux, |
| 21:51.41 | Zugschlus | conga: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:51.48 | conga | Zugschlus: thanks will try |
| 21:51.53 | Coweater | there was some config option about a framebuffer, anyone know what package to reconfigure to reset that? |
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| 21:51.56 | conga | yeah :) |
| 21:52.03 | nanok | startxwhite, the answer might be you cannot :(. but you have to do some testing first, to figure out |
| 21:52.20 | startxwhite | nanok: the laptop has no built in nic and the expansion slots only take cardbus card. i have tried 2 cards already |
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| 21:52.41 | nanok | startxwhite, is that not the same as pcmcia? |
| 21:52.53 | startxwhite | nanok: i am a desktop user |
| 21:53.09 | startxwhite | <nanok>: pcmcia is not cardbus |
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| 21:53.38 | chicalinux | hi cut somebady help a have a problem whit the E17 |
| 21:53.45 | nanok | startxwhite, hm.. what is the practical difference? |
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| 21:53.59 | Zugschlus | what has been changed in dpkg so that calling up factoids doesn't work any more? |
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| 21:54.24 | chealer | !drxx |
| 21:54.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 21:54.31 | chealer | Zugschlus: seems to work fine |
| 21:54.33 | nanok | maybe dpkg got a lobotomy.. he was geting to much of a smartass ..:P |
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| 21:54.42 | startxwhite | <nanok> practical difference? what do you mean? |
| 21:54.51 | chealer | dpkg: factinfo drec |
| 21:54.51 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as drec, chealer |
| 21:55.04 | chealer | dpkg: listkeys drec |
| 21:55.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'drec' by key (13): _default dvdrecord ;; cdrecord patch ;; #debian cdrecord ;; no cdrecord ;; dvdrecord ;; dreck ;; _default drec ;; _default cdrecord ;; cdrecord shmget ;; #debian dvdrecord ;; cmd: drec (.*?) ;; cdrecord ;; #debian drec. |
| 21:55.09 | nanok | startxwhite, what is the differnce between your cardbus wireless card and my pcmcia wireless card? |
| 21:55.13 | chicalinux | nobady? |
| 21:55.32 | chealer | chicalinux: what is your native language? |
| 21:55.38 | startxwhite | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardbus |
| 21:55.55 | Miesco | Okay I figured out how to use alt for meta in mc |
| 21:56.06 | chicalinux | why do you ask that ? |
| 21:56.15 | Zugschlus | chealer: !drec doesn't work, although the drec factoid seems to be present |
| 21:56.38 | Zugschlus | see |
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| 21:56.46 | Zugschlus | no, dpkg, drec is something else |
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| 21:57.15 | chealer | !drec Zugschlus |
| 21:57.15 | dpkg | Zugschlus: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 21:57.16 | nanok | Zugschlus, i see there is a command drec, and a dreck.. |
| 21:57.19 | startxwhite | nanok: if i asked the questions i asked at the beginning is because i wanted to get answers from people with similar PERSONAL experience/problem to mine |
| 21:57.21 | plugwash | do debian boxes drop inactive ssh links by default or do you think its more likely to be a firewall related issue? |
| 21:57.25 | Zugschlus | chealer: ah, thanks |
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| 21:57.53 | ChrisW | hi all, where do I put my ssh private key such that a cron job running as me can connect to another server and do stuff? |
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| 21:58.36 | nanok | startxwhite, as you see, i have similar experiences/problems. what i object to, and you should note for the future, is that you are trying to put the resolution to your problem in front, allthough you dont know what that is |
| 21:58.48 | nanok | why only machines with less than p133? |
| 21:58.56 | nanok | are you sure it is related to that? |
| 21:59.06 | chealer | dpkg: drec is <reply>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 21:59.07 | dpkg | is <reply>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 21:59.10 | chealer | !drec |
| 21:59.12 | kimo_ | Hi, can anyone please tell me the core difference between qmail & postfix (why choose one over the other) ? |
| 21:59.18 | chealer | doh |
| 21:59.43 | startxwhite | nanok: i am a desktop user and as such i can tell you the problem: crashes! freezes! while running wifi |
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| 22:00.31 | chealer | hum, not sure what's going on, but I guess that explain why there's no drec factoid yet |
| 22:00.38 | nanok | startxwhite, okay, i got that. but you do _not_ know that is in any way related to your cpu model or power |
| 22:01.08 | startxwhite | nanok: your experience is NOT similar to mine since you did not run sarge on a P133 or lower and you were not using cardbus |
| 22:01.20 | nanok | you are trying to find out what it might be, that is why you ask. so there is no point in filtering for things you do not really know are related to the problem |
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| 22:01.45 | nanok | startxwhite, okay. good luck. |
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| 22:02.59 | Kraig | weird, i make an apt-get install modutils and it fails saying "update-modules: command not found" and in /sbin/ only update-modules.modutils exists (debian unstable) anybody had that same problem? |
| 22:03.08 | startxwhite | nanok: i googled, i asked on the acx channel and the like but so far my laptop keeps on crashing. so far i have not being given advice by someone in the know who at some point had a really similar problem |
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| 22:03.55 | Blissex | startxwhite: you using an ACX1xx based WiFi Card? |
| 22:05.01 | markit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.12 | markit | any workaround? |
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| 22:05.57 | eXiSt | hi |
| 22:06.16 | Blissex | markit: you don't really need 'xfs'. |
| 22:06.17 | eXiSt | pppd[4434]: In file /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider: unrecognized option '/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth0 -T 80 -m 1452' |
| 22:06.20 | startxwhite | i have tried an acx111 and a rtl8180. same problem so i doubt is the driver |
| 22:06.29 | eXiSt | why this error could be? |
| 22:06.51 | eXiSt | please help |
| 22:07.13 | eXiSt | i cant start pppoe |
| 22:07.49 | startxwhite | <Blissex> . |
| 22:08.06 | eXiSt | pppd[4434]: In file /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider: unrecognized option '/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth0 -T 80 -m 1452' |
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| 22:08.18 | Blissex | startxwhite: the ACX111 drivers just don't work well. |
| 22:08.39 | Blissex | startxwhite: get another card with a RAlink chipset or another one of the supported ones. |
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| 22:10.12 | MikeSeth | "NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu." |
| 22:10.12 | [lain] | good night |
| 22:10.13 | MikeSeth | bhahahaa |
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| 22:10.34 | startxwhite | <Blissex> i got an rtl8180 which has gpl drivers and had the same problem. ralink cards in the uk are not only very expensive but the only ones available now are based on the rt2561 chipset which is not yet properly supported by serialmonkey |
| 22:11.04 | Miesco | Anyone use midnight commander? |
| 22:11.08 | Miesco | How do I select files? |
| 22:11.16 | Blissex | startxwhite: very expensive? The Belkin I am thinking of is around £20 from Staples in the UK. |
| 22:11.22 | liable | read? F3 |
| 22:11.25 | ChrisW | anyone got an example crontab entry which will run a job at 3am, mon-sat |
| 22:11.30 | ChrisW | ? |
| 22:11.37 | ChrisW | and another for just 4am on a Sun? |
| 22:11.42 | resiak | ChrisW: man 5 crontab |
| 22:11.52 | Kraig | yeah, pretty nice help |
| 22:12.02 | eXiSt | no one help about pppoe? |
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| 22:12.10 | eXiSt | pppd[4434]: In file /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider: unrecognized option '/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth0 -T 80 -m 1452' |
| 22:12.13 | resiak | ChrisW: The first is 0 3 0 0 1-6 |
| 22:12.23 | resiak | ChrisW: the second is 0 4 0 0 0 |
| 22:12.26 | chealer | eXiSt: this is just a very clueless suggestion, but did you try uninstalling pppoe? |
| 22:12.31 | ChrisW | resiak: thanks! |
| 22:12.33 | Miesco | How do I select a file in midnight commander? |
| 22:12.37 | startxwhite | <Blissex> i got the others for 10 pounds and i am very financually challenged at present! |
| 22:12.44 | r_marvin | Miesco: Ins |
| 22:12.50 | ChrisW | how come Sunday is 0 instead of 7? |
| 22:12.56 | Blissex | existx: the whole string "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth0 -T 80 -m 1452" is the error. |
| 22:13.03 | Miesco | r_marvin: Thanks! |
| 22:13.14 | Blissex | eXiSt: the whole string "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth0 -T 80 -m 1452" is the error. |
| 22:13.17 | Miesco | r_marvin: Is it possible to make more user menu's? |
| 22:13.21 | r_marvin | ChrisW: cron was made by americans :) |
| 22:13.36 | r_marvin | Miesco: from what i remember, yes |
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| 22:13.47 | eXiSt | Blissex, but pppoeconf set it like that |
| 22:13.50 | r_marvin | but i wouldn't kniw by heart |
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| 22:13.57 | r_marvin | read the mc manuals |
| 22:14.04 | Blissex | eXiSt: thats not a valid statement in a peers scripts for PPP. |
| 22:14.16 | ChrisW | r_marvin: but date +%u returns 7 for SUnday :-S |
| 22:14.28 | eXiSt | Blissex, what should i do? |
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| 22:15.05 | r_marvin | ChrisW: iirc cron accepts 0 as well as 7 for sunday |
| 22:15.21 | ChrisW | fair enough |
| 22:15.25 | r_marvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.27 | r_marvin | yup |
| 22:15.44 | r_marvin | "man 5 crontab" for more goodies :) |
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| 22:16.03 | strk | [dri] tdfx DRI not supported in 32 bpp mode, disabling DRI. |
| 22:16.10 | strk | ^^^ debian stable |
| 22:16.20 | Blissex | eXiSt: probably your only option for an ACX111 is to use the Linuxant wrapper, it is free for Texas Instruments chipsets. |
| 22:16.49 | Kraig | hmm... this might be common, but in /sbin/ i have update-modules.modutils and depmod.modutils and not depmod or update modules, any ideas what can cause that? i already tried ln -s'ing the files so the other packages could found them but it doesn't work... |
| 22:16.58 | ChrisW | 0 3 0 0 1-6 /utils/backup.py daily -> "/tmp/crontab.Rda9ho/crontab":4: bad day-of-month, why? |
| 22:17.15 | startxwhite | <Blissex> remember i can not afford anything at present and i am going thru a bad time now which can, excuse me if this sound blasphemous, be compared to the one His Holiness had to go thru in the 80s |
| 22:17.28 | resiak | ChrisW: Sorry, I mean 0 3 * * 1-6 ; man 5 crontab |
| 22:17.46 | jetscreamer | anathema! |
| 22:17.49 | eXiSt | Blissex, this is not dial up modem. this is adsl modem connecting over pppoe |
| 22:17.56 | Kraig | Anathema the band? |
| 22:17.57 | ChrisW | resiak: thanks :-) |
| 22:18.02 | Blissex | startxwhite: the Linuxant driver is free of charge for the ACX111 chipset and other TI chipsets. |
| 22:18.29 | startxwhite | <Blissex> i am running a p133 for His Holines' sake! Linuxant does not support monitor mode |
| 22:18.48 | Blissex | startxwhite: you are asking for too much. |
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| 22:19.36 | magyar | any news on xorg7, is it going to be out this weekend? am still missing all the xorg-fonts |
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| 22:19.46 | Blissex | startxwhite: your alternatives are: the 'acx100' driver that which does not support much and does not work much; the 'ndiswrapper' that causes system lockups; the Linuxant that has other limitations. |
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| 22:20.02 | chealer | magyar: ask #xorg |
| 22:20.03 | gsp | hey... where do I find the grub config file? |
| 22:20.13 | tarzeau | in /boot/grub ? |
| 22:20.22 | Blissex | eXiSt: what kind of PPPoE modem is that? USB or Ethernet? |
| 22:20.24 | zms | gsp: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:20.28 | sfullenwider | Debian doesn't have a sound configuration util does it? |
| 22:20.30 | magyar | chealer: whats xorg got to do with debian? |
| 22:20.32 | gsp | thanks |
| 22:20.45 | chealer | magyar: nothing, that's why you shouldn't ask here |
| 22:20.56 | Coweater | can i blacklist a module from the cd boot: prompt? |
| 22:20.57 | dany | E: The package xgl needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it <--- when i us apt-get install or any command with apt how can i remove it |
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| 22:21.15 | freeone3000 | apt-get remove xgl |
| 22:21.31 | startxwhite | a friend told me to stick to windows98se when it comes to wireless because wifi support under gnu/linux is dreadful. i told him: u turn if you want to, this follower of His Holiness is not for turning! |
| 22:21.34 | magyar | chealer: if xorg is broken on debian, do you think anyone over at xorg would give a flying F? |
| 22:21.36 | streuner | dany: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:21.46 | dany | wait |
| 22:21.59 | chealer | magyar: probably not |
| 22:22.02 | dany | ii libc6 2.3.6-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 22:22.18 | magyar | atleast we agry on one thing |
| 22:22.22 | freeone3000 | magyar: They claim it works fine for them and it's only borked on debian. |
| 22:22.23 | magyar | agree |
| 22:22.27 | freeone3000 | magyar: Which, by the way, is true. |
| 22:22.33 | streuner | dany: did you read /topic too? |
| 22:22.50 | freeone3000 | (Parallel setup on gentoo works fine... Well, as parallel as two oss can be. |
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| 22:23.48 | _rene_ | magyar: xorg 7 *is* out. it *is* in unstable. works here. (ppc, though) |
| 22:23.51 | magyar | freeone3000: i got more progress today, the only thing is the modules are not in and neither the fonts, the sucky part is I cant go back to 6.9.8. What would i give to be able to load KDE once again |
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| 22:24.06 | _rene_ | magyar: you might neeed to change the paths to the font dirs in the config... |
| 22:24.36 | eXiSt | Blissex, etherne |
| 22:24.38 | startxwhite | <Blissex> i wonder if the others here understood my last message |
| 22:24.39 | eXiSt | Blissex, ethernet |
| 22:24.42 | _rene_ | magyar: what is missing for you? if you use amd64, tried the official archive instead the to-be-dropped amd64.debian.netz? |
| 22:24.52 | magyar | _rene_: i am on amd64 and in my apt the fonts were still broken this morning |
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| 22:25.10 | _rene_ | magyar: well, then wait. welcome in sid. |
| 22:25.12 | Blissex | eXiSt: then, as a rule, you don't need to do anything other than setup up your PC's Ethernet interface. the modem will handle PPPoE on its own. |
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| 22:25.31 | _rene_ | magyar: or if you use amd64.debian.net, try the official amd64 sid |
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| 22:25.48 | eXiSt | Blissex, i have to run adsl modem at bridge mode. debian take the ip on it |
| 22:26.09 | magyar | _rene_: if i swith to "testingg" etch, is there a chance for it to boot again? |
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| 22:26.17 | Blissex | eXiSt: sounds weird and that complicates life. |
| 22:26.26 | _rene_ | err? xorg hasn't to do with booting... |
| 22:26.32 | eXiSt | Blissex, for bridge mode i must use pppoeconf |
| 22:26.52 | _rene_ | anyway, maybe, because amd64.debian.net lasgs behind the official testing iirc |
| 22:27.00 | _rene_ | and will be shut down anyway |
| 22:27.14 | _rene_ | official testing will get amd64 soo, though, too (or already has, have to look) |
| 22:27.28 | magyar | _rene_: well the question can i step back to etch from sid , for all the packages? |
| 22:27.36 | _rene_ | manually, yes |
| 22:27.39 | _rene_ | with some hope |
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| 22:27.51 | _rene_ | dpkg etc |
| 22:27.51 | dpkg | it has been said that etc is something marginally brain-dead people say when they know their statement is incomplete, but they can't figure out how to complete it or /etc, the directory that contains all the config files |
| 22:28.00 | pab | rene: which is the official amd64 sid? |
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| 22:28.03 | magyar | _rene_: got it, thanks for your input |
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| 22:28.13 | _rene_ | most package scripts only care about upgrades |
| 22:28.30 | _rene_ | which is the only thing they have to care of because downgrades are unsupportable in many cases |
| 22:28.47 | _rene_ | pab: err? the one on the official mirrors of course. |
| 22:29.07 | pab | just checking ;) |
| 22:29.26 | pab | didn't want to miss/mess something |
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| 22:29.50 | _rene_ | so not the ones derived from amd64.debian.net |
| 22:30.03 | _rene_ | but ftp.debian.org, ftp.de.debian.org or whatever |
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| 22:34.07 | Red_Cloud | What command do I use to determine what file system that I am using? (ext2, ext3, reiserfs, jfs or xfs) |
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| 22:34.51 | Kraig | perhaps cat /etc/fstab might help? |
| 22:35.11 | deternal | hi, i have the gksu error problem - anyone have a hint to the solution? |
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| 22:35.24 | deternal | I tried reinstalling login, gksu and libgksu to no avail |
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| 22:36.09 | Red_Cloud | Kraig, thanks. My file system is ext3. |
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| 22:36.59 | Kraig | np |
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| 22:37.23 | Trixor | Hello! - I have a small problem, i would like to execute a command in another tty fx. /dev/pts/2 from another tty (/dev/pts/1) |
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| 22:37.52 | finett | hey. i recently had an ubuntu in handy. does anyone know which "host" dns utility it ships by default? (bind9-host or host) |
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| 22:38.03 | finett | it was looking mx records as well - nifty. |
| 22:38.05 | Trixor | Iv' tried to use the echo command, but it just "echo's" the line.. |
| 22:38.11 | Brenner | how I install opensshd ? |
| 22:38.56 | Trixor | Brenner: opensshd? - Do you mean a SSH daemon? |
| 22:39.08 | markit | after some troubles and a reboot, I-ve got kde working again.. I just have problems with the keyboard in the terminal window (does not accept some keys, it beeps). Any idea about what has been broken and how to fix? I-ve trieddpkg-reconfigure locales without success |
| 22:39.15 | Brenner | openssh server |
| 22:39.15 | jetscreamer | !info openssh |
| 22:39.28 | Brenner | !info openssh |
| 22:39.30 | aliaz | apt-get install ssh |
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| 22:39.59 | Brenner | ok, tx |
| 22:40.55 | davi | What package to get the files from the usb_storage device ? |
| 22:41.45 | streuner | kernel |
| 22:41.58 | streuner | you need the scsi-emulation module |
| 22:42.18 | streuner | or it is just compiled into kernel (custom kernel) |
| 22:42.21 | davi | The driver is loaded |
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| 22:42.37 | streuner | well, just mount it then |
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| 22:42.37 | davi | streuner, How to mount the device |
| 22:42.40 | magyar | is there a way to make a "netinstall cd" with dual selection; either amd64 or x86 for etch? |
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| 22:42.46 | streuner | davi: what device? |
| 22:42.49 | howdydo | hmm, has the xorg 7.0 issue in sid be resolved?? |
| 22:43.16 | streuner | well, we think its solved in a week or so |
| 22:43.17 | davi | streuner, Good question, I do not know the name. It is a panasonic photo device |
| 22:43.31 | sfullenwider | Anyone want to pass me a clue on how to proceed with: "/sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "/dev/dsp"" on the AMD64 port? |
| 22:43.34 | streuner | davi: digital camera? |
| 22:43.41 | davi | streuner, yep |
| 22:43.51 | streuner | davi: use mount -t vfat blah blah then |
| 22:43.59 | davi | thanks streuner |
| 22:44.18 | streuner | davi: you should get a list via 'cat /proc/scsi/scis' |
| 22:44.24 | streuner | davi: you should get a list via 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' |
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| 22:44.56 | streuner | davi: if the device doesn't support usb_storage just use gphoto2 |
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| 22:45.45 | r_marvin | sfullenwider: mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3 |
| 22:46.16 | streuner | sfullenwider: do you use ALSA or/and udev? |
| 22:46.45 | streuner | in OSS you should have /dev/dsp after you loaded the sound-module auto |
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| 22:47.58 | davi | streuner, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 works. Thanks again. |
| 22:48.06 | streuner | np |
| 22:49.43 | streuner | !tell OsRo about away |
| 22:50.40 | deternal | anyone knows how to reinstall /etc/pam.d/su and /etc/login.defs and/or repopulate /etc/? |
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| 22:51.32 | streuner | backup? |
| 22:51.49 | deadcat | X problem. sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:51.57 | OsRo | strankan, sorry I feel it not if I made something bad this this penalized? |
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| 22:52.24 | streuner | imagine all 777 people here would use it... |
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| 22:52.58 | miki | hey, can anyone help me with installing pendrive under debian? |
| 22:53.00 | deadcat | X is complaining about "count not open default font 'fixed'" what up? |
| 22:53.18 | gravity | deadcat: If you have xfonts-base installed then you need to fix your paths in your xorg.conf |
| 22:53.25 | deadcat | gravity: thanks |
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| 22:53.44 | sandman | Whenever I look at an XML file with firefox, all I see is the code.. it claims there's no style info associated with it |
| 22:53.45 | gravity | Like NEWS.Debian says, bts |
| 22:53.46 | gravity | btw |
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| 22:54.09 | OsRo | well, xchat does thus, I I promise to correct it |
| 22:54.31 | Brenner | how I enable rsa key public and private in sshd.config? |
| 22:54.42 | deadcat | gravity: i have /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc in my xorg.conf |
| 22:54.59 | stoned | alright, this is gonna sound stupid |
| 22:55.03 | stoned | but my computer is possessed |
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| 22:55.30 | gravity | deadcat: dpkg -L xfonts-base |
| 22:55.36 | stoned | I just woke up, and turned on my monitor, and now when I try to use my mousewheel up/down, it fscking wants to use right click |
| 22:55.43 | stoned | how does mouse mappings change overnight |
| 22:55.45 | gravity | God, maybe I need to be more explicit in NEWS.Debian |
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| 22:55.53 | stoned | wtf happened? I am lost, would anyone have a clue? |
| 22:55.58 | resiak | gravity: Maybe people need to read NEWS.Debian |
| 22:56.04 | deadcat | gravity: ah. i have /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc in my .xsession |
| 22:56.09 | gravity | resiak: That would help too |
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| 22:56.20 | bebb | smoke another bowl stoned |
| 22:56.27 | bebb | then reboot |
| 22:56.30 | stoned | bebb, don't be useless |
| 22:56.41 | stoned | you're in a support channel, act that way |
| 22:57.04 | stoned | I might restart X though |
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| 22:57.54 | zms | `/away -all later |
| 22:58.17 | freeone3000 | Is there a fix for glx in SID yet? |
| 22:58.34 | gravity | glx works fine in sid |
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| 22:58.58 | bebb | alleged possession warrants a reboot imho |
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| 22:59.26 | MikeSeth | ummm I mustve had been rebooting all day long :D |
| 22:59.26 | erikh | hi folks, how do I set my hostname? |
| 22:59.41 | streuner | erikh: man hosts, man hostname |
| 22:59.43 | erikh | is there supposed to be a file in the /etc/defaults/ directory to make it persist across a reboot? |
| 22:59.51 | erikh | streuner: what if my nsswitch is based in dns first? |
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| 23:01.00 | deadcat | gravity: my screen just lost signal after i added that line to xorg.conf and startx. i am on the laptop right now |
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| 23:01.17 | gravity | Added what line? |
| 23:01.30 | deadcat | nevermind |
| 23:01.37 | gravity | erm, ok |
| 23:01.40 | deadcat | slim just work again (= |
| 23:01.47 | relaxed | freeone3000: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 23:02.00 | gravity | like magic |
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| 23:03.13 | freeone3000 | relaxed: I got past those. |
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| 23:03.30 | freeone3000 | relaxed: Just it chrashes x when I try to do glx or opengl. |
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| 23:04.22 | streuner | !sid |
| 23:04.23 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 23:04.45 | streuner | !unstable |
| 23:04.45 | dpkg | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 23:04.47 | mne | hi. Which initrd tool supports dm-crypt with LUKS and lvm2 ontop ? I tried mkinitramfs, mkinitrd and yaird. all of them would need to be modified for LUKS, on mkinitramfs vgchange even segfaults ... |
| 23:05.00 | relaxed | freeone3000: which driver are you using? |
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| 23:05.10 | freeone3000 | relaxed: Nvidia. |
| 23:05.16 | aubergine | Does the VirtualHost directive works with an subdomain as Servername |
| 23:05.25 | relaxed | freeone3000: is the module loaded? |
| 23:05.44 | streuner | mne: well, yaird didn't work for me at all, even to install an official kernel... |
| 23:05.54 | r_marvin | aubergine: i can't see why it shouldn't |
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| 23:06.00 | relaxed | freeone3000: did you use Nvidia's installer? |
| 23:06.02 | freeone3000 | relaxed: Let me check... |
| 23:06.05 | freeone3000 | relaxed: The seconed, yes. |
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| 23:07.13 | relaxed | freeone3000: uninstall the driver then reinstall install it like this => ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8756-pkg0.run -na --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules |
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| 23:07.23 | aubergine | i have defined ServerName, NameirtualHost, Virtualhost and DocumentRoot for this Virtualhost and the apache server sends me to /var/www and not /var/www/bla |
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| 23:07.29 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, trying that. |
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| 23:07.33 | freeone3000 | Which means I have to kill the gui. |
| 23:07.38 | relaxed | yes |
| 23:07.41 | deadcat | sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/font.png <-- can someone tell me why the hilighted section doesnt look like the section with the happy face? they used to all look like the happy face section |
| 23:07.56 | chealer | relaxed: please do not advise people to use nvidia-installer on #debian |
| 23:07.57 | mne | streuner, for me initrd gives an error complaining that theres an unsupported device. on the yaird homepage I read that there is still a lot unsupported. I had the best results with mkinitrd but I would need to patch the awk script /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
| 23:08.34 | relaxed | chealer: He said he used the installer to begin with. |
| 23:08.36 | deternal | chealer, anti proprietary thing? |
| 23:08.40 | relaxed | spare me |
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| 23:09.38 | aubergine | Ok foun the mistake iam sry |
| 23:10.11 | mne | I use the nvidia installer as well. one of the disadvantages is that all installed files are not included in the dpkg db. module-assistant is said to work nice for installing nvidia drivers |
| 23:10.16 | chealer | deternal: no, but there are Debian packages not expected to break X too much |
| 23:10.30 | makaveli | ok |
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| 23:12.26 | linrunix | hi everybody |
| 23:13.06 | myboxen | hello |
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| 23:13.40 | coldtek | hi! |
| 23:13.47 | makaveli | hi |
| 23:14.27 | deternal | chealer, afaik there is no nvidia module for current kernel-images, and the debian way to install the module isn't nearly as clean and easy as the nvidia installer thingy imo - atleast not for testing, cant say about stable |
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| 23:15.17 | chealer | deternal: the debian way to do it is certainly not worse than nvidia-installer |
| 23:15.29 | chealer | (even in terms of usability) |
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| 23:15.39 | toker | debian wont let me change my resolution to anything greater than 800x600, i cant remember what file i have to edit to fix it |
| 23:15.42 | toker | any help? |
| 23:15.53 | streuner | !drxx toker |
| 23:15.53 | dpkg | toker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:16.06 | chealer | deternal: AFAIK there *are* prebuilt modules for testing |
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| 23:16.23 | deternal | yes, but not for current kernels |
| 23:16.38 | deternal | atleast not 386, 486 and k7 |
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| 23:17.24 | freeone3000 | All praise thee. |
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| 23:17.40 | relaxed | freeone3000: :) |
| 23:17.43 | freeone3000 | THanks, dude. It's been like, 2 days. Now, I am going to waste my powers given by glx on unreal. Cya. |
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| 23:18.35 | chealer | deternal: there are no more kernel images for 386 (except 2.4) in testing |
| 23:19.10 | deternal | ahewitt, that explains the 486 thing - was wondering when I saw that :) |
| 23:19.18 | deternal | doh, wrong highlight, sry |
| 23:19.21 | deadcat | this is how my glxgears look like sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/glxgears.png |
| 23:19.24 | chealer | deternal: and there *are* prebuilt nvidia modules for 486, k7 |
| 23:19.26 | deadcat | and it doesnt show FPS |
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| 23:20.35 | yggdrasil | how can i add an essid that just comes up as "" |
| 23:20.41 | yggdrasil | like blank i guesse |
| 23:20.55 | deadcat | yggdrasil: man iwconfig |
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| 23:21.28 | linrunix | i need somebody expert in sound? |
| 23:21.56 | streuner | linrunix: just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 23:22.06 | deternal | chealer, guess Ill have to check again |
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| 23:23.04 | linrunix | ok |
| 23:23.17 | zms | deternal: "nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-2-k7 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.14-2-k7" |
| 23:23.19 | linrunix | it sound before but now, um um |
| 23:23.33 | streuner | ALSA or OSS? |
| 23:23.34 | yggdrasil | deadcat can i tell it to connect using its mac address or something |
| 23:23.52 | streuner | linrunix: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 23:24.12 | deadcat | yggdrasil: wireless connect via essid, but you can specific essid AND AP MAC i guess. |
| 23:24.17 | linrunix | alsa |
| 23:25.03 | yggdrasil | well i tried to do a iwsconfig essid |
| 23:25.13 | yggdrasil | as a blank essid name |
| 23:25.17 | dvm1981 | yggr |
| 23:25.22 | yggdrasil | but it said something ..missing paramater or something |
| 23:25.24 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 23:25.25 | deadcat | yggdrasil: thats essid any |
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| 23:25.51 | dvm1981 | yggdrasil: I know that on the ndiswrapper there are an little howto, probably it help you |
| 23:25.53 | deadcat | yggdrasil: if its "" when you iwconfig, it means default, which is any |
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| 23:26.38 | chicalinux | chicos mire que wallpapers mas bonitos consegui |
| 23:26.38 | streuner | linrunix: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 23:26.40 | pixolet | yggdrasil, i'm pretty sure you can connect with the mac, also |
| 23:26.50 | yggdrasil | well deadcat when i scan for wireless acc point, the one im trynig to connect to hsows up as "" |
| 23:26.53 | chicalinux | http://www.debianart.dk/ |
| 23:26.58 | chicalinux | son super lindos |
| 23:27.00 | yggdrasil | wonder if its just scanning wrong |
| 23:27.26 | dvm1981 | yggdrasil: Look to this http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation#Configure_interface |
| 23:27.26 | deadcat | yggdrasil: thats because its hidden |
| 23:27.42 | yggdrasil | ahh... |
| 23:27.46 | linrunix | streuner, i cant see it right now, i cant conect from my machine cause i cant configure my winmodem, im in my father machine. |
| 23:27.47 | yggdrasil | hmmm but its key is off |
| 23:27.57 | dvm1981 | yggdrasil: Realy easy to do if you follow the instructions there |
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| 23:28.02 | pixolet | yggdrasil, you can see its address, right? |
| 23:28.06 | yggdrasil | yea |
| 23:28.23 | pixolet | iwconfig eth0 ap <address> |
| 23:28.38 | pixolet | (substitute eth0 for your wireless device) |
| 23:28.39 | yggdrasil | so just like that then right |
| 23:28.47 | yggdrasil | right but you |
| 23:28.49 | yggdrasil | its ap. |
| 23:29.04 | yggdrasil | ill try it pixolet |
| 23:29.18 | streuner | linrunix: you should have i-net connection to your debian box |
| 23:29.22 | dvm1981 | yggdrasil: Look to that link or so ^^ |
| 23:30.03 | linrunix | what |
| 23:30.11 | streuner | linrunix: prior in debian is always to have a working internet connection |
| 23:30.19 | linrunix | lol |
| 23:30.24 | dvm1981 | yggdrasil: Find it? It's in 'configure interface' |
| 23:30.26 | yggdrasil | dvml981 cool |
| 23:30.39 | linrunix | i have 6 cds of sarge, for that |
| 23:31.00 | dvm1981 | yggdrasil: Realy easy to do if you read been the instructions there, sure there are other site, but that help me realy to understand a bit |
| 23:31.01 | deternal | zms, true, but current k7 kernel is 2.6.15-8 |
| 23:31.27 | streuner | linrunix: why not getting a 'normal' extern modem? |
| 23:31.37 | streuner | linrunix: /msg dpkg winmodem |
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| 23:32.09 | linrunix | i will buy a extern modem |
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| 23:33.44 | streuner | linrunix: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 23:34.26 | linrunix | i cant do that right now i'll try later |
| 23:34.36 | linrunix | i'll write it down |
| 23:35.00 | streuner | or just email it |
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| 23:35.18 | streuner | or print it |
| 23:35.42 | dvm1981 | Or floppy it :-P |
| 23:35.56 | streuner | good idea :-) |
| 23:36.05 | dvm1981 | ;-) |
| 23:36.10 | linrunix | i dont use floppy |
| 23:36.20 | streuner | linrunix: you see, a working i-net connection is not a bad idea... |
| 23:36.28 | linrunix | i know |
| 23:36.34 | dvm1981 | I was just thinking, how long time ago it was with the floppy, it's long time ago :-) |
| 23:36.35 | linrunix | but if i cant |
| 23:36.42 | linrunix | yes |
| 23:36.53 | streuner | well, you need a driver for the modem, that's all |
| 23:36.58 | streuner | !winmodem |
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| 23:36.58 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 23:37.47 | icyfire0573 | I'm having a problem with the etch-installer recognizing my sata card. I have no bios options to make it recognize as an ATA/PATA device. What can I do? |
| 23:38.06 | linrunix | i dont want to work with my winmodem, i'm going to buy a extern one |
| 23:38.15 | streuner | ok |
| 23:38.30 | dvm1981 | linrunix: Try it first?? So you're sure it's working or not?? |
| 23:38.40 | linrunix | i had visit all that page, at my starts |
| 23:38.47 | dvm1981 | ggrggr |
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| 23:39.05 | linrunix | and i couldnt |
| 23:39.17 | linrunix | and i give up |
| 23:39.24 | dvm1981 | Sometimes, when you check again ... |
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| 23:40.19 | linrunix | yeah i did |
| 23:40.28 | linrunix | and i give up again |
| 23:40.34 | linrunix | like two weeks ago |
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| 23:41.05 | dvm1981 | linrunix: You do not need to give it up! Resist man, it's so that you find it and make some advancements ... |
| 23:41.23 | icyfire0573 | Any ideas? Is there a way to install from a chroot? |
| 23:42.03 | dvm1981 | icyfire0573: I guess that you need to load somethings while you're install the new system. I not know, what or how |
| 23:42.50 | linrunix | ok i'll try again for you |
| 23:42.55 | linrunix | thanks man |
| 23:43.00 | icyfire0573 | Yea, I thought the etch-installer had the SATA modules (or at least I hoped they had the ones for my system) on the etch cd. I don't know how to go about it if I cant run the installer from the CD |
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| 23:43.08 | dvm1981 | linrunix: You loose you're time if you give it up and you will be really compesated when you find the sollution !! |
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| 23:43.51 | dvm1981 | linrunix: Keep all you're motivations man, really keep it an hold it, sure it's very valuable. You see it later ;-) |
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| 23:44.14 | linrunix | hey we got to help |
| 23:44.23 | linrunix | http://www.debianart.dk/ |
| 23:44.24 | dvm1981 | linrunix: If you keep you're motivation, you're will to become done, i will be done!!! |
| 23:44.24 | linrunix | http://www.debianart.dk/ |
| 23:44.52 | stoned | hi, my mousewheel scroll up/down is causing it to do a right click. This started happening when I woke up this monring. There hadn't been any change in configuration. I am running debian sid. I have absolutely no idea what could be wrong, I've looked through my xorg.conf and I have looked at all possible cuases and I can't figure it out. Any ideas? |
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| 23:45.25 | stoned | I have even went as far as restarting my pc |
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| 23:45.40 | icyfire0573 | I'm off to try a chroot install! Thanks for your help. |
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| 23:46.00 | stoned | same results. This doesn't seem to happen in console w/ gpm. At least I couldnt' see it being like that in console, is there a right click for gpm/console? |
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| 23:46.38 | jnc | anabain: i haven't used resierfs for root on a debian box yet |
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| 23:47.42 | fantomas | Hi. How to tune sound on alsa? |
| 23:47.50 | stoned | tune? |
| 23:48.30 | dvm1981 | fantomas: Set the volume? -> 'alsamixer' |
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| 23:49.01 | fantomas | dvm1981: I'd like to add some bass ) |
| 23:49.11 | fantomas | dvm1981: I mean EQ |
| 23:49.36 | mythicness | wow im totally stumped |
| 23:49.43 | dvm1981 | fantomas: Yes, look to 'alsamixer'. But i guess it's not that what you really want |
| 23:49.44 | mythicness | Still getting errors when running "sudo make modules" |
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| 23:49.58 | mythicness | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `arch/i386/kernel/msr.c', needed by `arch/i386/kernel/msr.o'. Stop. |
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| 23:50.10 | Daedalus_ | hrmm |
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| 23:50.12 | mythicness | I have tried building another kernel but it doesnt work :( Also tried booting with other kernel |
| 23:50.14 | fantomas | dvm1981: I use it for a year, never noticed controls to modify sound though |
| 23:50.18 | mythicness | could anyone please tell me what I |
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| 23:50.24 | mythicness | what I - need to do |
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| 23:50.46 | Daedalus_ | mythicness: did you make dep first? |
| 23:50.53 | unix_infidel | what's the equivalent of rc.local in debian? |
| 23:51.11 | dado_ | hi all. im am trying to mount a ufs(fbsd) partition under debian sarge. receiving this error in dmesg: ufs_read_super: bad magic number |
| 23:51.19 | mythicness | yeah |
| 23:51.20 | dado_ | anybody knowing how to fix that? |
| 23:51.23 | mythicness | I follwed this: |
| 23:51.32 | mythicness | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24853.html |
| 23:51.41 | Daedalus_ | unix_infidel: make your own script, and then use update-rc.d to add it to the init setup |
| 23:51.41 | mythicness | the kernel i made doesnt boot |
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| 23:52.10 | Daedalus_ | !tell mythicness about not debian |
| 23:52.17 | jnc | mythicness: you're running debian, or you're running ubuntu? |
| 23:52.37 | mythicness | ubunut |
| 23:52.42 | mythicness | Ubuntu8 |
| 23:52.48 | mythicness | arg - Ubuntu* |
| 23:52.50 | mythicness | :p |
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| 23:53.03 | mythicness | k ill try ask in there |
| 23:53.05 | jnc | mythicness: this is not the channel for Ubuntu. This is the debian channel. |
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| 23:53.26 | jnc | Ubuntu has a similar yet different support help mechanism |
| 23:53.38 | jnc | please make use of it, i assure you this is for your own good. |
| 23:53.41 | Daedalus_ | dado_: no idea. |
| 23:53.53 | Daedalus_ | jnc: I think he got the hint a long time ago. lay off. |
| 23:54.08 | jnc | ex-term-in-atee! |
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| 23:54.33 | fantomas | How to add some BASS to sound on alsa? |
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| 23:55.11 | jnc | fantomas: ladspa plugin, or if supported on your sound interface chipset and drivers, the alsamixer control for treble/bass |
| 23:55.16 | dvm1981 | fantomas: apt-cache search equalizer?? No many results :-/ |
| 23:55.17 | Daedalus_ | fantomas: alsamixer has some tone control, but usually if you have no bass, you need to get better speakers, or music that is recorded more to your taste |
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| 23:55.18 | jnc | fantomas: ... but for why? |
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| 23:56.00 | dado_ | hm nobody? |
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| 23:56.42 | Daedalus_ | dado_: you sure the FS is good? (you've mounted it in FBSD?) |
| 23:56.47 | fantomas | jnc: I don't know. I bought new motherboard with AC97 and now sound sucks so much on my Sennheisers that I can't listen to this shit :) |
| 23:57.15 | dado_ | Daedalus_: yes |
| 23:57.50 | fantomas | jnc: I see no such controls in alsamixer :(( I have ICH ac97 |
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| 23:58.02 | Daedalus_ | fantomas: if it doesn't sound good then, it's either the implementation of AC97 that's bad, or there's some mobo specific patch/module you need to make it sound right. |
| 23:58.04 | dvm1981 | fantomas: I have the same chipset i think here, work realy good, sure there are nothings goes bad there? |
| 23:58.14 | jnc | fantomas: unlikely that you'll have such controls on that sound chipset |
| 23:58.50 | jnc | fantomas: try to keep volume levels below 60-70% and buy yourself a nice amplifier to drive better speakers |
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| 23:59.03 | fantomas | jnc: obviously ) |
| 23:59.15 | jnc | inexpensive sound chipsets tend to clip and distort at levels over 60-70% |
| 23:59.40 | Daedalus_ | fantomas: your mobo may not be able to drive such high-impedance speakers directly. You may need a headphone amp. |
| 23:59.42 | dvm1981 | oh shit, it's on another computer that i have it, i know that i use that shipset on an computer, not remember which computer it's one, shit :-/ |
