| 00:00.26 | fantomas | Daedalus_: no, my headphones are not high-imp, its px-200 |
| 00:00.36 | jnc | dvm1981: is that intel or via shitset? |
| 00:00.45 | jnc | err |
| 00:00.45 | fantomas | Daedalus_: they are not even monitors |
| 00:00.46 | jnc | chipset |
| 00:00.58 | dvm1981 | 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0 |
| 00:01.03 | nanok | fantomas, try another plug on your mobo. like the line-in one, or the mic (i know it sounds strange.. ;) just try |
| 00:01.05 | dvm1981 | jnc: This one? |
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| 00:01.19 | Daedalus_ | fantomas: huh. what impedance are they? My HD595's are, like, 400 ohms, I think. |
| 00:01.22 | dvm1981 | jnc: Im on the wrong computer i think :-/ |
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| 00:01.47 | Aghaster | hi, how can i check to see if agpgart is installed? |
| 00:01.47 | jnc | heh px-200's |
| 00:01.54 | jnc | Aghaster: installed or loaded? |
| 00:01.57 | nanok | dvm1981, those are probably the shittyest i have ever seen, by the way :) |
| 00:01.59 | Aghaster | both. |
| 00:02.03 | Aghaster | installed first |
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| 00:02.10 | Aghaster | i dont know if its installed |
| 00:02.20 | jnc | Aghaster: dpkg-query -S agpgart |
| 00:02.38 | jnc | it will search for all occurances of files containing the phrase agpgart |
| 00:02.49 | dvm1981 | nanok: Bwa, it work good here, never seen some troubles with it :-/ So im happy with it ;-) |
| 00:02.56 | jnc | look for one ending in .o (kernel 2.4.x) or ending in .ko (kernel 2.6.x) |
| 00:03.08 | Endain | I'm trying to get a perl script to run sgid from apache (debian3.0). If I set 2751 (witch works on my old installation), I get "Can't open perl script "name": Permission denied" (this being after the exec of the app succeeded). If I make it 2755 I get the error: "Can't do setegid!". How can I fix this? |
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| 00:03.17 | Aghaster | i have one .ko |
| 00:03.18 | Aghaster | jnc |
| 00:03.23 | nanok | dvm1981, indeed, if you dont ask to much of it, and are lucky, it can be acceptable |
| 00:03.25 | Aghaster | linux-image-2.6.15-1-486: /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-486/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.ko |
| 00:03.38 | jnc | Aghaster: that's her |
| 00:03.52 | Aghaster | how can i check to see if its loaded, now? |
| 00:04.01 | jnc | lsmod | grep agpgart |
| 00:04.10 | jnc | you could just do lsmod and inspect the output manually |
| 00:04.26 | jnc | filtering out things which do not contain agpgart, is easier IMO |
| 00:04.27 | dvm1981 | nanok: Yes, it's sure it's not the best audio card of the market. But here with another TV card, xmms, ... work good. So i not complain about it. Sure it's not the best one, it's one board |
| 00:04.31 | Aghaster | agpgart 31560 1 amd64_agp |
| 00:04.37 | jnc | there she is. |
| 00:04.40 | jnc | it's loaded |
| 00:05.02 | Aghaster | strange. cause i have an amd64 processor but i'm running 32bit |
| 00:05.08 | Aghaster | is it normal that it says amd64? |
| 00:05.11 | jnc | you can find the helpful human-readable output from when agpgart was loaded by running the 'dmesg' command to get kernel messages |
| 00:05.17 | nanok | Aghaster, it is not the arch |
| 00:05.21 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:05.25 | fantomas | Daedalus_: dunno.. :) HD595 is great :) |
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| 00:05.47 | jnc | Aghaster: if you install a 32-bit OS, loosely speaking, on an 64 bit amd64 proc, it will run in 32-bit mode |
| 00:05.52 | nanok | Aghaster, amd64 cpus have a lot on theyr architecture directly, instead of on the mobo |
| 00:06.05 | Aghaster | yeah, that's why i'm asking myself why it says amd64 |
| 00:06.08 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:06.23 | nanok | agp tends to be one of them.. |
| 00:06.26 | nanok | ;) |
| 00:06.37 | jnc | Aghaster: should you want some native amd64 action, check out http://amd64.debian.net for more info on that. i digress. |
| 00:06.52 | fantomas | Daedalus_: http://tinyurl.com/rl9ob |
| 00:06.52 | Aghaster | no, i'll stay with 32bit |
| 00:06.54 | Aghaster | OS |
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| 00:07.11 | mfrisch | Aghaster: amd-64 rocks and rolls |
| 00:07.14 | fantomas | Daedalus_: they are perfect for my iPod Nano at least |
| 00:07.24 | pab | mfrisch: agreed |
| 00:07.33 | Aghaster | yeah, i know. but i'm using 32bit to avoid amd64 problems. i'm not a very good linux hacker yet |
| 00:07.38 | war93 | How come the HELP options do not work when I install OpenOffice in Debian Etch? |
| 00:07.50 | fantomas | nanok: I tried, failed :) |
| 00:07.56 | nanok | mfrisch, such a shamed that mobo producers fuck it all up.. |
| 00:08.00 | Shadur | did you install openoffice-help-<countrycode> ? |
| 00:08.08 | war93 | oh probably not, thanks |
| 00:08.14 | mfrisch | Aghaster: all thats missing is like 3% of the mirror |
| 00:08.20 | nanok | fantomas, ok, it happens sometimes. it happened to me |
| 00:08.46 | Aghaster | wfrish: i began using linux with amd64, had too much problems for a noob |
| 00:09.00 | war93 | Shadur: wait tho, I cant find that package |
| 00:09.02 | mfrisch | nanok: I got a asus ...no nivida no problem |
| 00:09.02 | fantomas | Daedalus_: 32 Ohms :P |
| 00:09.11 | Daedalus_ | fantomas: Hmm... 32 ohms... your comp should be able to push that. |
| 00:09.17 | jnc | yeah it should |
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| 00:09.22 | nanok | mfrisch, dont get me started about asus.. |
| 00:09.22 | Aghaster | someone in here suggested i chose 32bit kernel which was the best supported to learn before going to faster kernels |
| 00:09.23 | nanok | :) |
| 00:09.23 | war93 | ?? openoffice help |
| 00:09.31 | jnc | even something like 64 ohms impedence should be workable |
| 00:09.46 | war93 | dpkg, openoffice help? |
| 00:09.51 | fantomas | Then what makes sound so.. flat? :( |
| 00:09.54 | mfrisch | nanok: to each is own ;-) |
| 00:09.56 | chealer | !tell war93 about msg the bot |
| 00:10.07 | jnc | fantomas: what is your source file |
| 00:10.21 | tuvwx | how can i make my ati graphics card have direct rendering enabled? using "ati" driver |
| 00:10.21 | dvm1981 | chealer: A bit more for him ;-) |
| 00:10.21 | nanok | Aghaster, he was right. 32bit linux kernels (especialy latest) are so fast on amd64 you will probably not even see the difference, for what you are using your machine |
| 00:10.36 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:10.38 | fantomas | jnc: whole my collection, any file. Most are FLACs |
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| 00:10.52 | Aghaster | my main problem atm is that i never was able to make 3D acceleration working on my comp |
| 00:10.56 | dvm1981 | chealer: I guess it give not enought info to him |
| 00:10.57 | war93 | anyone here use OO help? |
| 00:11.01 | Aghaster | with my sapphire ati radeon 9200 SE, its hell. |
| 00:11.02 | fantomas | jnc: same what I listen on iPod with same phones |
| 00:11.08 | chealer | dvm1981: right |
| 00:11.09 | mfrisch | fantomas: a flac? |
| 00:11.10 | Aghaster | specially for a novice like me |
| 00:11.12 | chealer | war93: yes |
| 00:11.16 | jnc | fantomas: iPod lacks FLAC support |
| 00:11.19 | war93 | chealer: which package contains the help feature? |
| 00:11.28 | jnc | so i know you're not telling me everything |
| 00:11.29 | chealer | war93: $ apt-cache search openoffice.org-help |
| 00:11.30 | dvm1981 | chealer: Know you a better one for him? |
| 00:11.36 | fantomas | jnc: my iPod has it ;) iPodLinux + RockBox enabled :P |
| 00:11.37 | war93 | ah , bingo, thanks |
| 00:11.40 | kingspawn | just install rockbox on your ipod |
| 00:11.40 | jnc | whahhh! |
| 00:11.45 | kingspawn | and it actually gets usable |
| 00:11.50 | jnc | fantomas: no way, it works well? tell me :) |
| 00:11.52 | chealer | dvm1981: I hope that will help him |
| 00:12.03 | dvm1981 | chealer: ;-) |
| 00:12.09 | fantomas | jnc: er.. to say truth I convert it to OGG first :) |
| 00:12.14 | nanok | fantomas, no shit |
| 00:12.29 | mfrisch | I have been having a ripping party up to 1600 flac so far |
| 00:12.33 | sfullenwider | Anyone want to pass me a clue as to why I don't hear any sound, it's all plugged in right, I'm getting no errors that I can tell...'cept my /var/log/dmesg has the lines "AC'97 1 does not respond - RESET" and "AC'97 1 access is not valid [0xffffffff], removing mixer." |
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| 00:12.59 | dvm1981 | sfullenwider: Sound muted?? |
| 00:13.06 | Aghaster | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Rl1FvX56.html jnc, can you take a look at my ati driver install log? something went wrong during agpgart module compiling |
| 00:13.07 | dvm1981 | sfullenwider: 'm' key?? |
| 00:13.08 | sfullenwider | Not that I can tell. |
| 00:13.14 | jnc | fantomas: Vorbis encoding makes audio sound more pleasing to a person, changes it slitely |
| 00:13.32 | dvm1981 | sfullenwider: 'alsamixer' an see if it's muted, probably i guess |
| 00:13.37 | jnc | Aghaster: you're on a 32-bit kernel... i don't know how to help you |
| 00:13.40 | fantomas | jnc: yes, _slightly_ |
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| 00:13.50 | Bac9 | anyone know how to refresh the imap folder tree in evolution (it does not show all the folders)? |
| 00:13.52 | bbrazil | sfullenwider: looks like a driver or hardware issue. Does it work in another OS? |
| 00:14.08 | nanok | why tf would you make ogg and than flac from ogg? i cant understand.. |
| 00:14.09 | Aghaster | jnc: why can't you help me because i'm running 32bit? |
| 00:14.23 | jnc | Aghaster: plus you're doing fglrx which is non-free |
| 00:14.25 | sfullenwider | bbrazil: have no other OS installed, and no it's not muted in alsamixer |
| 00:14.29 | jnc | i don't support people doing non-free things |
| 00:14.33 | jnc | good luck though |
| 00:14.54 | Halitherses | I stil get error: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 00:15.05 | Aghaster | ok. do you know which free drivers would support 3D acceleration for ati radeon 9200 SE with xorg 6.9.0 and kernel 2.6.15? |
| 00:15.26 | Halitherses | $ cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 00:15.26 | Halitherses | Attached devices: |
| 00:15.32 | nanok | Halitherses, cat /proc/partitions |
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| 00:15.46 | war93 | hey |
| 00:16.02 | war93 | I installed the help package but it says "The help system could not be started." The help file for this topic is not installed. |
| 00:16.04 | war93 | I am using Debian Etch |
| 00:16.07 | war93 | has anyone gotten that error? |
| 00:16.11 | dvm1981 | sfullenwider: With an 'live cd' or so?? |
| 00:16.21 | dvm1981 | sfullenwider: Thinking to 'Knoppix' |
| 00:16.50 | dvm1981 | sfullenwider: Just to be are sure that it's not an hardware problem, so try in another one ... |
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| 00:16.53 | Jeriko- | hi |
| 00:16.59 | dvm1981 | ho |
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| 00:17.12 | dvm1981 | ping |
| 00:17.15 | Jeriko- | totally off-topic and pretty much stupid: what's the sound of a cow? is it moo? (i mean the spelling) |
| 00:17.16 | dvm1981 | pong |
| 00:17.19 | dvm1981 | :-) |
| 00:17.20 | war93 | anyone get that error? |
| 00:17.26 | Aghaster | rockbox seems kool. i didnt know it existed |
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| 00:17.34 | Aghaster | anybody tried it on their ipod? |
| 00:17.47 | ceplma | fresh upgrade of sid: |
| 00:17.49 | bmk789 | how do i configure sendmail for smtp? |
| 00:17.50 | ceplma | sh-3.1# export LANG=C;dpkg --configure --force-all -a |
| 00:17.50 | ceplma | Setting up xserver-xorg (7.0.12) ... |
| 00:17.50 | ceplma | dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg (--configure): |
| 00:17.50 | ceplma | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.50 | ceplma | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 00:17.58 | dvm1981 | Jeriko-: 'dict moo'?? |
| 00:17.59 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 00:18.01 | nanok | Aghaster, seems fantomas has.. |
| 00:18.10 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:18.12 | Aghaster | i'll ask him |
| 00:18.19 | fantomas | jnc: yes, FLAC too, just checked, now listening. RockBox firmware. |
| 00:18.24 | jnc | Jeriko-: moo seems appropriate. |
| 00:18.30 | dvm1981 | !tell ceplma about flood |
| 00:18.33 | fantomas | jnc: sounds cool |
| 00:18.39 | miki | hey, anyone can help me with mounting fdd? i loaded diskette in debian but now windows cant read it,,, |
| 00:18.41 | nanok | fantomas, first impressions? |
| 00:18.41 | jnc | duck goes quack, cow goes moo, but what noise does a giraffe make? |
| 00:18.51 | Halitherses | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 00:18.52 | Aghaster | fantomas: how is rockbox compared to apple's firmware? what software can i use to transfer my music to it when running rockbox? |
| 00:18.59 | jnc | fantomas: i am so jealous |
| 00:19.12 | Jeriko- | yeah I know it sounds stupid :) i'm creating a website with a cow as logo, and since I'm from germany, I just wanted to make sure i spell 'moo' correctly :) |
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| 00:19.37 | nanok | fantomas, cool. what is the average price for an ipod capable of runing ipodlinux+rockbox?.. (as far as you know, ofc) |
| 00:19.45 | dvm1981 | ceplma : Reconnect you without make some flooding! |
| 00:19.48 | war93 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.51 | fantomas | nanok: don't hear difference between OGG 128 and FLAC... cheap phones |
| 00:20.04 | nanok | Jeriko-, good one, for saturday night. thanks ;) |
| 00:20.15 | nanok | fantomas, :) |
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| 00:20.28 | nanok | fantomas, who cares. it is cool nonetheless.. |
| 00:20.32 | Aghaster | fantomas, rockbox says they dont support MP3 Realtime Encoding while apple's firmware does. what does that do? |
| 00:20.34 | nanok | :P |
| 00:20.37 | sfullenwider | Alright, does anyone currently use a 7.1 soundcard in linux? Not an onboard one, a seperate PCI soundcard? |
| 00:20.39 | jnc | Jeriko-: with a dog, it is known that it might make the sounds (english), "arf" "woof!" or generally that it would bark or whimper |
| 00:20.45 | jnc | Jeriko-: i think a cow only does moo |
| 00:21.00 | nanok | Aghaster, compressing while recording from an audio source (mic, and so on) |
| 00:21.00 | war93 | People ignored him on the mailing list. |
| 00:21.05 | Jeriko- | jnc it's just about the spelling, nothing else ;) |
| 00:21.05 | fantomas | nanok: ~180$ for 2Gb flash, $250 for 4Gb |
| 00:21.07 | war93 | And people ignore you here too regarding the help option in ETch ;( |
| 00:21.09 | Aghaster | ah ok |
| 00:21.10 | dvm1981 | sfullenwider: You're an crazy one :-) |
| 00:21.27 | miki | is there any way wich will make debian write onto NTFS parition? |
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| 00:21.32 | miki | partition |
| 00:21.33 | sfullenwider | well yeah, but I've got a feeling that I'm never going to get this onboard sound to work. |
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| 00:21.56 | Jeriko- | thanks then, have a good night |
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| 00:22.01 | jnc | miki: moon must be in proper phase, all planets aligned, positive karma |
| 00:22.07 | jnc | miki: and still it's a crapshoot |
| 00:22.18 | ontehline22 | if I install the base of debian etch, and I do apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome will I get the newest gnome everyones talking about???? |
| 00:22.19 | nanok | miki, many ways. but you probably wouldnt want to go any other than "captive" |
| 00:22.21 | nanok | ;) |
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| 00:22.24 | fantomas | Aghaster: I played with original firmware until I reached my home where I installed rockbox and linux :) Since then I rarely run Apple's firmware.. by mistake probably :) |
| 00:22.26 | ontehline22 | if I install the base of debian etch, and I do apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome will I get the newest gnome everyones talking about???? |
| 00:22.37 | Aghaster | lol |
| 00:22.39 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:22.50 | jnc | fantomas: which hardware, and have you experienced audio skippage? |
| 00:22.51 | Aghaster | i once tried iPL |
| 00:22.56 | Aghaster | but it ran badly on my model |
| 00:23.00 | dvm1981 | jnc: And what if there are an eclips? |
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| 00:23.06 | ontehline22 | if I install the base of debian etch, and I do apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome will I get the newest gnome everyones talking about???? |
| 00:23.09 | ontehline22 | come on now |
| 00:23.18 | dvm1981 | jnc: Window that work |
| 00:23.20 | fantomas | Aghaster: Nanos have no MIC so encoding is not what makes sense for me :) |
| 00:23.34 | nanok | !repeat |
| 00:23.34 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:23.42 | dvm1981 | jnc: Without that s, he already have enougth of it |
| 00:23.43 | Aghaster | i have a 4th gen 60gig, but have no mic anywayƧ |
| 00:24.05 | ontehline22 | shut up nanok. |
| 00:24.11 | ontehline22 | !moron |
| 00:24.11 | dpkg | [moron] someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more |
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| 00:24.24 | ceplma | fresh upgrade on sid: |
| 00:24.24 | ceplma | Setting up xserver-xorg (7.0.12) ... |
| 00:24.24 | ceplma | dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg (--configure): |
| 00:24.24 | ceplma | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.24 | ceplma | Any idea, what's going on? (to have broken X11 twice in a day, is pretty bad!) |
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| 00:24.37 | fantomas | jnc: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 00:24.48 | fantomas | jnc: 2.6.15.5 kernel |
| 00:24.49 | jnc | fantomas: it's crap. |
| 00:24.50 | JasonF | I need to recreate a crashed server, and I have /home, /var, and /etc backed up |
| 00:24.54 | war93 | chealer: not working |
| 00:24.57 | JasonF | is there a place where all installed packages are listed in thos folders |
| 00:24.59 | jnc | fantomas: anything ac 97 is crap. |
| 00:25.05 | JasonF | so I can reproduce the package set? |
| 00:25.33 | jnc | for 10 bucks you could get a better sound device |
| 00:25.39 | fantomas | jnc: can't say I expected too much from it either.. :) |
| 00:25.43 | nanok | JasonF, i think you should google for debian disaster recovery, afair. there is a really nice article on this |
| 00:25.46 | chealer | war93: what did you install? |
| 00:26.05 | icyfire0573 | Debian 3.1.r1a is that etch or sarge? |
| 00:26.09 | war93 | chealer: openoffice.org |
| 00:26.10 | anabain | any reiserfs expert here? |
| 00:26.15 | war93 | chealer: there is no 'openoffice-help' |
| 00:26.25 | icyfire0573 | anabain, I'm not an expert, but I may know what you need to know |
| 00:26.34 | anabain | ok, icyfire0573 |
| 00:26.35 | JasonF | nanok: that doesn't exactly describe what I want. I've googled for that. |
| 00:26.36 | ontehline22 | icyfire0573: atch |
| 00:26.39 | chealer | war93: war93 you don't see openoffice.org-help-* packages? |
| 00:26.40 | liable__ | nickserv is broken? |
| 00:26.41 | ontehline22 | etch** |
| 00:26.49 | JasonF | I simply want to know if there's a unified list of installed packages in /var, /etc or /home |
| 00:26.52 | war93 | chealer: I am using Etch, that is correct. |
| 00:26.53 | icyfire0573 | ontehline22, i was afraid of that. It won't boot on my sata drive :-( |
| 00:26.59 | nanok | JasonF, yes, i am now to. not what i am thinking of, indeed |
| 00:26.59 | JasonF | if so, it makes my life easier, if not, then not |
| 00:27.01 | war93 | chealer: I am using mirrors.kernel.org |
| 00:27.06 | maxb | icyfire0573, ontehline22: No, sarge. |
| 00:27.18 | dvm1981 | liable: I have just loged in, looks not broken |
| 00:27.21 | ontehline22 | maxb: etch. |
| 00:27.37 | liable__ | dvm1981: ok. thanks |
| 00:27.52 | chealer | war93: what does $ apt-cache search openoffice.org-help; output? |
| 00:27.56 | maxb | sarge == 3.1, etch == future 3.2 or 4.0 |
| 00:28.00 | war93 | openoffice.org-l10n-en-us - English_american language package for OpenOffice.org |
| 00:28.03 | war93 | chealer: and the like |
| 00:28.08 | ontehline22 | maxb: Fly over to Canada and we can fight about it |
| 00:28.08 | war93 | chealer: that one I pasted IS installed |
| 00:28.13 | dvm1981 | liable: 02:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Password accepted - you are now recognized |
| 00:28.18 | war93 | chealer: but when I go to help it says its not installed |
| 00:28.25 | dvm1981 | liable: 4 minutes ago |
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| 00:28.44 | liable_ | dvm1981: yeah, got it now, thanks |
| 00:28.59 | dvm1981 | liable_: Good :-) |
| 00:28.59 | chealer | war93: what does $ apt-cache search openoffice.org-help|grep openoffice.org-help; output? |
| 00:29.05 | lleoliveira | a Windows clone OS that can run Windows applications and drivers, and the best: is Opensource |
| 00:29.13 | war93 | chealer: # apt-cache search openoffice.org-help|grep openoffice.org-help |
| 00:29.13 | war93 | # |
| 00:29.16 | lleoliveira | www.reactos.org |
| 00:29.16 | war93 | chealer: no output |
| 00:29.19 | icyfire0573 | Where would I go for an Etch installer CD? I went to cdimage.debian.org/*/current/* for what I have now. |
| 00:29.21 | ontehline22 | lleoliveira, you spammed that in like 5 channels, shut up |
| 00:29.23 | maxb | ontehline22: I quote from www.debian.org: "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (a.k.a. sarge)" |
| 00:29.24 | war93 | chealer: which repo are you using? |
| 00:29.26 | anabain | icyfire0573: I want to know why after making an mkfs.ext3 from a live cd over a reiserfs partition in which previously I had my / partition, which I tarred and then untarred on the new ext3 partition, I get a kernel panic. Is like if the tarred system was looking for reiserfs stuff in the new ext3 partition. I've changed fstab, of course... |
| 00:29.33 | lleoliveira | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactos |
| 00:29.38 | ontehline22 | maxb: I said it's etch, it's etch. |
| 00:29.42 | chealer | war93: I'm sorry. the help packages are only in unstable |
| 00:29.52 | war93 | chealer: ahh crap |
| 00:29.57 | lleoliveira | we need developers to improve the OS |
| 00:30.04 | war93 | chealer: how do I install them from unstable? apt-get install -t unstable openoffice-help? |
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| 00:30.26 | dvm1981 | war93: chealer Have some output here in Stable |
| 00:30.26 | ontehline22 | fedora > Debian, that is all. |
| 00:30.36 | mada | so, the status of the debian desktop ... should i go stable or testing branch? |
| 00:30.41 | maxb | ontehline22: Think what you want. I've backed up my assertion with official info from debian.org. You haven't supplied any corroborating evidence. |
| 00:30.44 | chealer | dvm1981: right, I meant there are no help packages in Etch |
| 00:30.46 | dvm1981 | war93: chealer I got been the help files of it |
| 00:31.01 | war93 | how do you get them if you are running Etch? |
| 00:31.02 | chealer | mada: as you want. you can upgrade to the latter from the first |
| 00:31.05 | dvm1981 | chealer: I understand now, his running Ethc ;-) |
| 00:31.08 | Gnea | ontehline22: you are in the wrong channel. |
| 00:31.09 | war93 | is there anyway? |
| 00:31.09 | ontehline22 | maxb: It's etch, end of argument. |
| 00:31.14 | mada | ontehline22: negative, fedora is the most unstable system ever had the ignorance to mess with |
| 00:31.18 | liable_ | mada: if its a desktop and can accept the odd borkage, then go with etch |
| 00:31.22 | mada | ontehline22: ok, cool |
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| 00:31.27 | icyfire0573 | anabain, well, it shouldn't be a FSTAB problem till reboot when it uses it again. MTAB (lowercase) would be more likely a problem. Worse yet would be if you are untarring the /dev folder. Try only untarring one folder at a time /bin /opt /lib and such, to see if you can narrow it down to a more specific folder. It could be proc for all you know. |
| 00:31.28 | ontehline22 | mada: fedora rules j00 |
| 00:31.36 | ekkikrist | wtf |
| 00:31.39 | Gnea | ontehline22: etch is testing, it's meant to be broken and suck. |
| 00:31.44 | Gnea | !troll ontehline22 |
| 00:31.50 | war93 | chealer: do you knowif ican install the help from unstable? |
| 00:31.52 | ontehline22 | !troll Gnea |
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| 00:32.12 | chealer | war93: yes. you use the command you said with openoffice.org-help substituted by the real package, as long as you have an etch/sid mix setup |
| 00:32.12 | ontehline22 | !troll maxb |
| 00:32.28 | Gnea | !ops ontehline22 is trolling: 17:31 < ontehline22> mada: fedora rules j00 |
| 00:32.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ontehline22 is trolling: 17:31 < ontehline22> mada: fedora rules j00 |
| 00:32.34 | maxb | ontehline22: Stop spreading false information. 3.1 == sarge. www.debian.org agrees with me |
| 00:32.41 | nanok | JasonF, try to look at /var/lib/dpkg/* |
| 00:32.42 | mada | Gnea: testing is not broken and does not suck |
| 00:32.45 | war93 | chealer: is it going to cause a lot of problems if I dnt have a mixed setup? :\ |
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| 00:33.04 | ceplma | broken xserver-xorg postinst (fresh upgrade for sid)? |
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| 00:33.16 | anabain | icyfire0573: There must be something in the tar that makes the kernel refer to /dev/sda5 as a reiserfs, hence the "unknown block (8,5)" panic. Something other than fstab, of course... and I've created /proc and /sys from the live cd with a chroot on /dev/sda5, as I didn't include it into the tar... |
| 00:33.16 | ontehline22 | !ops Gnea is trolling 16:21 <Gnea> this channel sux, i hate u all lol, shut up im dumb |
| 00:33.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Gnea is trolling 16:21 <Gnea> this channel sux, i hate u all lol, shut up im dumb |
| 00:33.17 | dvm1981 | hhhhmmm, there would be cleaned |
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| 00:33.28 | liable_ | ceplma: yes its broken atm. welcome to sid |
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| 00:33.47 | mentor | sorry, jsut had to review all of what he said |
| 00:33.47 | chealer | war93: you need to setup an etch/sid mix to get packages from unstable. it is best to know APT a bit before doing that. |
| 00:33.53 | Gnea | wow. |
| 00:33.57 | war93 | ah |
| 00:33.58 | nanok | JasonF, status, to be precise |
| 00:34.02 | Gnea | mentor: oh no problem. |
| 00:34.09 | ekkikrist | tx mentor |
| 00:34.14 | Gnea | !beer mentor |
| 00:34.15 | war93 | k, thx. for hte info! |
| 00:34.16 | war93 | bbl |
| 00:34.17 | icyfire0573 | anabain, have you tried doing one folder at a time from the untar? Also, why the switch from reiser to ext3? |
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| 00:34.31 | dvm1981 | coffee yes ;-) |
| 00:34.35 | anabain | icyfire0573: also tried, as chroot from the live cd, to rm /dev and then MAKEDEV update and MAKEDEV console |
| 00:34.38 | ekkikrist | Spaten brews a pilsner now? |
| 00:34.43 | nanok | JasonF, the article i was telling you about describes a way to rebuild the system using that (iirc), but i cant find it . been a while.. |
| 00:34.47 | dvm1981 | It's not good to drink to many :-) |
| 00:35.11 | dvm1981 | mentor: Sure, you not sleep right tonight :-/ |
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| 00:35.21 | kingsley | How does one tell if a file system is ext2 or ext3? |
| 00:35.22 | dvm1981 | mentor: Beer can help you then :-) |
| 00:35.30 | nanok | JasonF, try to google around a bit. maybe even try debian reference. you should be ok. gtg. sleep |
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| 00:35.44 | anabain | icyfire0573: no, I haven't tried one folder at a time. I want to change because I use large files, and reiserfs is not as good as ext3 in this area... |
| 00:35.47 | chealer | kingsley: $ mount; ? |
| 00:35.49 | mentor | dvm1981: I will take the magic knockout pills |
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| 00:35.51 | dvm1981 | kingsley: '/etc/fstab' ?? |
| 00:36.14 | ceplma | liable: broken xserver-xorg -- any workaround; it just says that postinst returns error 64; what's that |
| 00:36.15 | ceplma | ? |
| 00:36.28 | icyfire0573 | anabain, ill take your word for the large files thing, though I don't know personally. Try one folder at a time to see if you can pin down the problem (that is if you don |
| 00:36.30 | nanok | anabain, for large file you can also have a look at xfs. |
| 00:36.31 | dvm1981 | mentor: Aai, also not good he ;-) Or stay here the whole night man ;-) |
| 00:36.55 | icyfire0573 | anabain, 't user v in your tar command (ie tar jxfv file.tar.bz2) |
| 00:36.58 | mentor | dvm1981: I have to take them anyway |
| 00:37.20 | dvm1981 | mentor: An light goes on. I have an idea, press the 'pause' button ;-) |
| 00:37.30 | mentor | hah |
| 00:37.38 | dvm1981 | mentor: That work good :-) |
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| 00:38.42 | mentor | Heh. Mission Impossible III - give birth in silence |
| 00:38.53 | mentor | sorry guys |
| 00:38.56 | mentor | too much caffeine |
| 00:39.03 | dvm1981 | yep, it's 'pause' here ;-) |
| 00:39.12 | dvm1981 | I have been pressed the button, lol |
| 00:39.22 | tuvwx | how do i enable direct rendering for ati on testing (2.6.15 kernel, 6.9 Xorg) |
| 00:39.23 | dvm1981 | Ok, 'play' again |
| 00:39.28 | dvm1981 | voila ;-) |
| 00:39.46 | anabain | icyfire0573: do you mean tarring folder by folder and then untarring folder by folder, or only untarring? how can I investigate the problem this way? must I start with /boot folder? can a system /boot only with a /boot folder? (I don't catch the point in your one folder suggestion...) |
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| 00:40.29 | dvm1981 | mentor: caffeine, beer, knockout pills. Nice milkshake :-) |
| 00:40.50 | anabain | btw, I made # tar cvf root.tar / from the auxiliary hdd, and excluding /proc and /sys folders... |
| 00:41.02 | dvm1981 | mentor: If you would like ... i can give some comments ;-) |
| 00:41.30 | dvm1981 | Concentration please |
| 00:41.57 | dvm1981 | Trying to understand ^^ |
| 00:42.19 | kingsley | chealer: Thanks, that worked. |
| 00:42.39 | mentor | mmmm, 50 cal sniper rifle |
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| 00:42.56 | dvm1981 | mentor: American? |
| 00:42.58 | tuvwx | how do i enable direct rendering for ati on testing (2.6.15 kernel, 6.9 Xorg)? even switching across windows is awfully slow!! |
| 00:43.19 | dvm1981 | mentor: Here we not see all these rifle or can easy get it here in Europe |
| 00:43.29 | icyfire0573 | anabain, you can choose to only untar one folder when you untar stuff, just like you can choose to untar one file. |
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| 00:43.43 | icyfire0573 | Anyone know off the top of their head how to just extract one folder when they untar? |
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| 00:43.53 | mentor | dvm1981: Of course, European snipers are more subtle and tend to sneak up on their targets... |
| 00:44.00 | anabain | icyfire0573: ok, but then what? |
| 00:44.05 | mentor | dvm1981: Do you know what the longest range confirmed sniper kill is? |
| 00:44.08 | tuvwx | do i need to install any paritcular package to have dri enabled?? |
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| 00:44.14 | dvm1981 | mentor: No idea |
| 00:44.23 | mentor | BTW, if you're fed up of me, you can /ignore mentor |
| 00:44.34 | dvm1981 | !tell tuvwx about dri |
| 00:44.39 | mentor | dvm1981: 2.7km Irag, Gulf 2 |
| 00:44.51 | icyfire0573 | anabain, if you specifically locate it to one directory, (hopefully not /usr) see if you can avoid utarring that folder. or untarring it to a different folder and then moving it back to the / directory |
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| 00:45.05 | dvm1981 | mentor: 2.7km??? Crazy |
| 00:45.30 | dvm1981 | mentor: I can not look than more than 300meters :-( |
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| 00:45.56 | icyfire0573 | dvm1981, you get a good enough scope, your set to go. (I'm just BSing) |
| 00:46.08 | mentor | dvm1981: Umm, well, yeah, they tend to use scopes. |
| 00:46.18 | tuvwx | what is the difference between xlibmesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-dri? |
| 00:46.52 | dvm1981 | mentor: Yes, but's also with it, look to be crazy the distance. |
| 00:47.15 | mentor | dvm1981: Yeah, pack your own ammunition sort of range :) |
| 00:47.51 | gravity | tuvwx: The former is deprecated as of Xorg 7 |
| 00:47.56 | unstable | I have a widescreen PAL DVD, and I am using an american toshiba laptop, on the left and right hand side of the movie, is a 1 centimeter black bar, Is there a way to get rid of it or no? |
| 00:48.00 | unstable | mplayer dvd:// -fs -slang en -dvd-device ./ |
| 00:48.10 | unstable | That is the command I use to play the movie, I tried adding -x 1024, or -aspect 16:9 none of that works. |
| 00:48.36 | anabain | icyfire0573: excuse me, but I don't understand you at all. All I want to do is to untar the / system (which I tarred and saved into an auxiliary cd) on the newly formated original hdd drive (in ext3). And the only way to do it is from a live cd... |
| 00:48.37 | unstable | Anyone have any idea how to get mplayer to play a PAL widescreen DVD properly on an american toshiba laptop? |
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| 00:49.28 | tuvwx | gravity, so i should be using xlibmesa-dri for Xorg 6.9 (testing), right? |
| 00:49.45 | gravity | tuvwx: Sure |
| 00:49.46 | unstable | o and I'm using xorg 7(*pokes* gravity) |
| 00:49.53 | anabain | icyfire0573: indeed, after having the panic problem with /dev/sda5 in ext3, I've changed it to reiserfs again and everything worked... |
| 00:49.59 | gravity | unstable: Not my thing |
| 00:50.13 | dvm1981 | unstable: What's difere if you have an american laptop? |
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| 00:50.34 | unstable | dvm1981: I dunno...I don't know a lot about PAL, I just thought that was relevant information. |
| 00:50.36 | icyfire0573 | anabain, Yes, I understand that. And when you try and just Untar the oldcomputer.tar file it crashes. So, what you want to do is try is. tar -xvf oldcomputer.tar /etc or somthing like that ( I don't remember the exact commands.) and do that for each root folder. If you find a specific folder that causes the kernel panic you need to isolate if its a specific file or if its a disk corruption. |
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| 00:51.14 | tuvwx | "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo" says when trying to open r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_set_warning_func, what is the problem? |
| 00:51.17 | icyfire0573 | If its disk, which it shouldn't be your kinda f*****. Otherwise, you can try not untarring whatever file is giving you problems, which is also an option with tar. |
| 00:51.23 | dvm1981 | unstable: Using Pal, but i know really less about it :-( |
| 00:51.54 | icyfire0573 | anabain, this way you can "fix" the problem with the untar. I don't believe its necessarily a reiser -> ext3 issue. especially when its coming directly from a tar file. |
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| 00:52.59 | Miesco | Anyone know of any websites dedicated to svga/console programs? |
| 00:53.43 | jnc | gobackintimeto1998.com ? (joking) |
| 00:53.44 | unstable | Miesco: What program do you want? |
| 00:54.35 | anabain | icyfire0573: ok, but what is(are) the minimal folder(s) needed to boot a system? only /boot? |
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| 00:54.36 | Miesco | unstable: A program for pdf files |
| 00:54.50 | unstable | Miesco: You want a console program for pdf files? |
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| 00:55.08 | Miesco | svga yea |
| 00:55.27 | unstable | Miesco: apt-get install gocr, and gocr file.pdf? |
| 00:55.32 | initech | actually that would be very handy at times |
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| 00:58.51 | icyfire0573 | anabain, minimum... umm, /boot has the kernel. /etc/ has what to load. /bin has the bare minimum programs *but /usr erally does* /lib is required, /opt/ and /root and /home are basically all I can think of that can DEFINATLY be left out. and if you have something using them they will fail but you still have a useable OS |
| 00:59.30 | tuvwx | what is the difference between the "ati" and "radeon" drivers? |
| 00:59.43 | jnc | radeon is a subset of ati |
| 00:59.48 | unstable | tuvwx: nothing |
| 00:59.51 | jnc | you'd specify ati, ati loads radeon |
| 00:59.58 | unstable | tuvwx: It's called radeon in xfree86, and ari in xorg. |
| 01:00.03 | dvm1981 | unstable: I got some troubles with mplayer, it's hang. I had not that problem before. I need first look whats going wrong ... He i have discovered that i can play TV with it, always using tvtime |
| 01:00.25 | unstable | tuvwx: fglrx is the proprietary driver from ATI Inc,(ati.com) and "radeon" and "ati" are the same, both open source FLOSS driver. iirc |
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| 01:01.27 | unstable | Miesco: What other software do you need for console programs? |
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| 01:02.29 | icyfire0573 | anabain, When do you get the "unknown block (8,5)" panic error? |
| 01:02.46 | icyfire0573 | anabain, During the untar or later>? |
| 01:02.51 | unstable | s/ari/ati |
| 01:02.54 | Miesco_ | unstable: gocr doesn't work for pdf files |
| 01:03.06 | nrdb | when I do an 'apt-get update' I get the warning 'W: GPG error: http://security.debian ... NO_PUBKEY 0109...' how do I fix this? |
| 01:03.26 | dvm1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.27 | unstable | nrdb: read the topic |
| 01:03.31 | Miesco_ | Also what is a port for doom that works with the REGISTERED version of doom |
| 01:03.32 | icyfire0573 | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | intopic |
| 01:03.36 | unstable | nrdb: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 01:03.55 | tuvwx | untable: glxinfo tries to open r200_dri.so, but fails with the error: "undefined symbol: _glapi_set_warning_func". what does that mean? |
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| 01:04.30 | jnc | tuvwx: mesa libs are not in the right places, AFAIK |
| 01:04.46 | Eulex | anyone noticed that wine 0.9.9 in testing takes a loooong time to start apps? |
| 01:04.55 | tuvwx | jnc, but the path it tries to open does have the required file |
| 01:05.07 | anabain | icyfire0573: no!!! ;) at booting the system after having made reboot from the cd live. untar process finishes ok, at least in appearance... |
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| 01:05.25 | kingsley | Why would the command "xvncviewer <ip address>" report "ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused"? |
| 01:05.38 | jnc | tuvwx: it didn't very well say File not found, did it? |
| 01:05.58 | jnc | no it said something about an exported symbol |
| 01:06.32 | tuvwx | jnc, right after that error it says: "libGL error: unable to find driver: r200_dri.so" |
| 01:06.56 | tuvwx | jnc, but i suppose this is because it failed to open the file, not because it is not there |
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| 01:07.05 | dvm1981 | unstable: It's looks only hang when try to play DVD in gmplayer, |
| 01:07.17 | jnc | open in this event being synonymous with successfully load |
| 01:07.59 | anabain | icyfire0573: and when I try a debian stock kernel + ramdisk, the panic is: pivot_root: NO such file or directory; /sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file; Kernel panic-not syncing: Attempted to kill init! But /dev/console does exist, as I created it with MAKEDEV console... |
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| 01:09.26 | nrdb | to update the gpg key for apt-get I need to run the commands listed in the '/msg dpkg 2006 key' ? |
| 01:09.47 | unix_infidel | !tell unix_infidel about java |
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| 01:11.00 | unix_infidel | debian doesnt have the j2re? |
| 01:11.08 | dvm1981 | unstable: How do you play an DVD in mplayer if you not know the tile of it? Need i specify mplayer 'dvd://WHAT_HERE'?? |
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| 01:11.38 | kingsley | Does vnc talk through a ssh connection? |
| 01:11.54 | jnc | kingsley: vnc protocol is rather plain |
| 01:11.58 | jnc | unencrypted |
| 01:12.23 | dvm1981 | s/tile/title |
| 01:13.03 | anabain | icyfire0573: at which stage of the booting process does the error of synchronisation occurs? I guess it's quite early... before any of the / folders is used. |
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| 01:13.31 | unix_infidel | is there a repo that's not supported by debian that has the j2se jre 5.0? |
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| 01:13.54 | jim | Greetings. I'm having issues getting sound working on a Debian Sarge box. |
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| 01:14.18 | tim_flatus | jim, can you be more verbose? |
| 01:14.23 | Miesco_ | I tries to compile linuxdoom.src.tgz and it said im missing i_video.c |
| 01:14.28 | jim | The chipset is an onboard Via VT8233/A/8235/8237 (onboard). |
| 01:14.30 | Miesco_ | i_video.o* |
| 01:15.19 | dvm1981 | unstable: Find it, mplayer runs now :-) He was trying to read from the wrong DVD player |
| 01:15.23 | tim_flatus | jim, you have tried alsaconf I presume? |
| 01:15.34 | jim | That is selected in the kernel config, and I've tried it both as a kernel and directly into the kernel. |
| 01:15.59 | SerajewelKS | since udev replaces hotplug, where do i put modules i want blacklisted? (agpgart) |
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| 01:16.03 | Crell42 | (This is my usual name. <g> |
| 01:16.20 | anabain | where can I find a detailed description of the booting process? |
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| 01:16.59 | Justin | anabain: /etc/inittab |
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| 01:17.46 | anabain | Justin: I mean the first stages, before synchronisation with the fs root device |
| 01:18.01 | Justin | anabain: what first stages |
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| 01:18.16 | tim_flatus | Crell42, http://alsa.opensrc.org/aadebug is good for diagnostics |
| 01:18.50 | anabain | Justin: before synchronisation with the fs root device, as I'm getting a kernel panic |
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| 01:19.25 | Justin | anabain: what does "synchronisation with the fs root device" mean? |
| 01:19.27 | anabain | I want to know what's happening till the kernel panic message |
| 01:19.42 | Crell42 | tim_flatus : Hm, interesting. |
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| 01:20.28 | tim_flatus | Crell42, also good checklist here: http://demudi.agnula.org/wiki/DocumentsFaq |
| 01:20.39 | Miesco_ | My c compiler doesn't have errnos.h and I need it to compile a program |
| 01:21.02 | Crell42 | alsaconf is claiming that no supported PnP or PCI devices are found. |
| 01:21.13 | Justin | Miesco_: why are you compiling things? |
| 01:21.41 | tim_flatus | Crell42, do they show up for lspci? |
| 01:21.59 | danf_1979 | what is the lightest WM out there? |
| 01:22.22 | danf_1979 | fluxbox? |
| 01:22.23 | Crell42 | tim_flatus : Yes, lspci lists the chip just fine, and it works in Win2k on the same system (dual boot). |
| 01:22.26 | danf_1979 | (guessing) |
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| 01:22.39 | tim_flatus | Crell42, ok. |
| 01:22.47 | miki | hey, could anyone help me with building modules? i need to make agpgart and via agp, i got module-assistant |
| 01:23.06 | Justin | miki: why do you think that you need to build those modules? |
| 01:23.07 | anabain | Justin: I don't know exactly, otherwise I wouldn't ask any question, ;) But that's all the info the system reports about the nature of the kernel panic: unknown block (8,5), unable to mount fs root, VFS not syncing, or something like that |
| 01:23.12 | Miesco_ | Justin: Cause the binaries dont work |
| 01:23.22 | miki | Justin: i need those for my video card driver |
| 01:23.44 | Justin | miki: what makes you think that you don't already have them? |
| 01:23.53 | Justin | anabain: oh, that |
| 01:24.09 | miki | someone from #ati told me to build those packages, i was pasting bins for him and he told me that its not installed |
| 01:24.15 | SerajewelKS | is there some module blacklist for udev? |
| 01:24.19 | Justin | anabain: you did something to make it not be able to find your drive, likely something to do with initrd's |
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| 01:25.33 | miki | when im starting module-assistant it shows error tho |
| 01:25.33 | miki | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.33 | miki | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.34 | miki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:25.40 | ojai | can anyone think of a scripted way to rename a bunch of debian packages? I've got 27 that have "1%3a" in their filenames and I'd like to just strip that out (like ntpdate_1%3a4.2.0a+stable-2sarge1_i386.deb would just be its regular ntpdate_4.2.0a+stable-2sarge1_i386.deb filename) |
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| 01:25.54 | Justin | ojai: man rename |
| 01:26.10 | Justin | miki: stop trying to compile shit that you already have |
| 01:26.38 | miki | so what should i do |
| 01:26.58 | miki | im checking with glxinfo command and it shows that its |
| 01:27.01 | miki | not there |
| 01:27.05 | Justin | miki: depends on what your actual problem is |
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| 01:27.14 | tuvwx | according to http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting, undefined symbols in the output of "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo" means libgl and dri versions mismatch! could this really happen in debian? |
| 01:27.16 | miki | i mean with dmseg*** |
| 01:27.19 | miki | mesg |
| 01:27.25 | Crell42 | tim_flatus : Any other suggestions? |
| 01:27.46 | Azar | miki just say what is your problem |
| 01:27.54 | miki | i can paste 3 lines but it will kick me, so maybe u want me to pastebin? |
| 01:28.00 | miki | dmesg log |
| 01:28.07 | anabain | I do not use initrd in one of the kernels I use. I have one with initrd and the kernel panic is this: pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init:432:cannot open /dev/console: No such file Kener panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! BUt I made MAKEDEV console before... |
| 01:28.12 | Azar | use the paster |
| 01:28.12 | anabain | Justin |
| 01:28.17 | Azar | !paster |
| 01:28.17 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 01:28.27 | Justin | anabain: what did you do to break it like that? |
| 01:28.28 | tuvwx | i have xlibmesa-dri and xlibmesa-gl both version 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6.. could i still have a version mismatch? |
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| 01:28.43 | tim_flatus | Crell42, blind stag. Sorry. |
| 01:28.45 | ojai | Justin: PERFECT! thanks! |
| 01:29.03 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 01:29.03 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 01:29.12 | Justin | ojai: wow, you can read :-) |
| 01:29.18 | miki | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2362. |
| 01:29.21 | Azar | hi mr tarzeau |
| 01:29.28 | tarzeau | hi Azar! |
| 01:29.35 | ojai | Justin: piss off :-) |
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| 01:29.51 | sfullenwider | is there some console app to get the cpu temp? |
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| 01:30.00 | tarzeau | sfullenwider: probably, yes |
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| 01:30.25 | Justin | miki: maybe you should try the thing it tells you to try |
| 01:30.43 | miki | well, imo its bug sience VIA is suported |
| 01:30.49 | Azar | miki what kernel version you used again? |
| 01:30.57 | Crell42 | blind stag? |
| 01:30.59 | miki | 2.4.27 |
| 01:31.01 | tarzeau | how can i remove words ending with # ? |
| 01:31.03 | miki | i386 |
| 01:31.08 | Justin | yes, supported except for the message that is telling you it is not supported |
| 01:31.10 | tim_flatus | Crell42, no eye deer |
| 01:31.13 | Azar | miki, if you upgrade to 2.6.8 might work better |
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| 01:31.26 | anabain | Justin: I untarred a tar file containing / in a mkfs.ext3-ed partiton which was the / partition previously in reiserfs format. That is, I wanted to change from reiser to ext3. I used a cd live and modified fstab. |
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| 01:31.36 | tarzeau | using sed an s,.*#,,g but that's for whole lines? |
| 01:31.39 | tarzeau | or wait |
| 01:31.39 | tim_flatus | Crell42, need more to go on. |
| 01:31.46 | tuvwx | can i use libgl1-mesa-glx instead of xlibmesa-gl and xlibmesa-dri with Xorg 6.9? |
| 01:32.07 | miki | hmm.. ok, so how can i upgrade? also i had some stuff installed for my kernel, am i forced to reinstall everything? |
| 01:32.09 | anabain | Justin: and stored the tar file in an auxiliary hdd. |
| 01:32.18 | Azar | miki: apt-cache search kernel image look on the list and pick a 2.6.8 for your CPU type, then : aptitude install kernel-image-(your choice here). 2.6.8 remember |
| 01:32.33 | tuvwx | no direct rendering sucks.. too slow! |
| 01:32.36 | Justin | anabain: your boot loader config and or /dev is broken |
| 01:32.56 | Justin | anabain: MAKEDEV in /dev from the livecd may fix it, and double check your root= in your lilo/grub config |
| 01:33.11 | Azar | miki, the wise thing to do allways is to get the 2.6 kernel FIRST then install crapola |
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| 01:33.45 | miki | when i was installing this debian, it was latest stable kernel... 2.6.8 wasnt stable |
| 01:33.50 | anabain | Justin: the boot loader seems to work fine. In fact, boot process starts, and everything is ok in grub |
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| 01:34.08 | SerajewelKS | grr, after installing udev i can't seem to keep agpgart from loading |
| 01:34.12 | Justin | anabain: yes, it 'starts' |
| 01:34.24 | Azar | miki, I guess only video driver and sound will get reconfigured with a new kernel but I do not know what you have else.. |
| 01:34.26 | tim_flatus | Crell42, you may need to add some options in /etc/modutils/ |
| 01:34.32 | Justin | anabain: and except for everything not being ok, everything is ok |
| 01:34.45 | anabain | that's exactly why I asked the boot process question previously. ;) |
| 01:35.00 | Azar | miki: the higher the kernel (2.6.8 highest in Sarge) the better driver support you get |
| 01:35.09 | miki | USB modem is what i got |
| 01:35.18 | miki | wich is asshole to config |
| 01:35.21 | Azar | miki, yep it has usb support too |
| 01:35.23 | Crell42 | tim_flatus : aadebug, one sec. |
| 01:35.30 | anabain | I want to know which is responsible: the kernel, something in /, grub? |
| 01:35.37 | Crell42 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2363 |
| 01:35.40 | Azar | miki: from woody up everything got easier |
| 01:35.40 | miki | aight so.. 2.6.8-2 or 2.6.8-3? |
| 01:35.44 | Justin | tarzeau: sed 's/\w*#//g' |
| 01:35.47 | Justin | tarzeau: sort of works |
| 01:35.53 | Azar | miki: what CPU ? |
| 01:35.59 | miki | intel pentium 4 |
| 01:36.00 | SerajewelKS | how would i go about setting up NvAGP with udev? google isn't too helpful tonight. |
| 01:36.05 | Justin | anabain: your boot loader config and or /dev is broken |
| 01:36.05 | Crell42 | tim_flatus : If the kernel has the module compiled in directly, then I don't need to play with /etc/modules, do I? |
| 01:36.09 | miki | 386 |
| 01:36.09 | Justin | anabain: MAKEDEV in /dev from the livecd may fix it, and double check your root= in your lilo/grub config |
| 01:36.25 | Azar | uh not sure but look on the list, there is one for your CPU listed I guess 2.6.8-2 |
| 01:36.48 | miki | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. |
| 01:36.51 | tarzeau | Justin: perfect! |
| 01:36.54 | Azar | Justin what is the difference between 2.6.8-2 and 2.6.8-3 ? |
| 01:36.56 | tim_flatus | Crell42, probably not. I am not familiar with compiled-in modules. That is why I am not being much use here. |
| 01:37.01 | tarzeau | Justin: my sweetheart. |
| 01:37.06 | anabain | Justin, should I MAKEDEV as chroot? should I rm /dev previously? |
| 01:37.18 | miki | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. |
| 01:37.20 | Justin | Azar: less security problems |
| 01:37.25 | miki | there are two for 386... |
| 01:37.33 | Justin | miki: you don't have a 386 |
| 01:37.45 | Crell42 | tim_flatus : Hm. OK, if I make it a module, need I do anything but add the module it /etc/modules ? |
| 01:37.47 | Azar | miki look for Pentium IV |
| 01:37.51 | unix_infidel | hey guys i added unoffiial to my sources.list and even after apt-get update it still doesnt show jre in sources? |
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| 01:38.09 | unix_infidel | any ideas? |
| 01:38.28 | Azar | jre? |
| 01:38.29 | tim_flatus | Crell42, check here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ |
| 01:38.38 | unix_infidel | Azar: j2se jre from java |
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| 01:38.50 | Azar | oh I see.. |
| 01:39.19 | miki | ok... 686, but still there is -2 and -3 |
| 01:39.24 | dvm1981 | unix_infidel: I guess you have do the job right, for sure post it on pastebin |
| 01:39.42 | dvm1981 | unix_infidel: I mean the source.list |
| 01:39.49 | Azar | miki, I do not know, I use AMD and I picked 2.6.8-2-k7 for mine |
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| 01:39.59 | miki | mmm |
| 01:40.04 | miki | ok i will get -2 then |
| 01:40.20 | Justin | ~lart miki |
| 01:40.29 | Justin | miki: which number is bigger, 3, or 2? |
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| 01:40.37 | miki | 2 :D |
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| 01:40.50 | miki | ok getting 3... |
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| 01:42.06 | SerajewelKS | how would i go about setting up NvAGP with udev? google isn't too helpful tonight. |
| 01:42.11 | Azar | so Justin -3 has more security settings? back in my days there was no -3 that is why I asked |
| 01:42.25 | unix_infidel | dvm1981: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/R7nQMu16.html |
| 01:42.29 | tuvwx | how do i enable dri for ati radeon 9100 IGP? debugging says that dri and libgl versions mismatch.. |
| 01:42.30 | unix_infidel | that's the pertinent section. |
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| 01:42.45 | tarzeau | Justin: it doesn't see this-thing as one word but two! |
| 01:42.50 | SerajewelKS | udev seems to insist on loading agpgart, which royally screws nvagp over |
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| 01:43.14 | Azar | miki , are you using lilo? |
| 01:43.16 | dvm1981 | unix_infidel: Restricted?? |
| 01:43.17 | anabain | Justin, should I MAKEDEV as chroot? should I rm /dev previously? |
| 01:43.18 | unix_infidel | anyone else with any ideas, i'm trying to get debian-unofficial repos added to my sources.list |
| 01:43.26 | unix_infidel | dvm1981: is a part of the unofficial repo |
| 01:43.40 | daxxar | Hm, according to /var/log/syslog, it found my /dev/hdi, /dev/hdo, etc during boot, but when I do ls /dev/hdi it says there is no such device. |
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| 01:44.21 | daxxar | Anyone have any suggestions as to what could be the cause? |
| 01:44.21 | Azar | daxxar: no such device.... actually mounted? |
| 01:44.30 | tuvwx | at least where can i get help for dri? |
| 01:44.33 | daxxar | Not mounted, no. =) |
| 01:44.41 | Azar | well if not mounted, not there |
| 01:44.46 | Covener | daxxar: udev running? |
| 01:44.51 | Crell42 | tim_flatus : Well, it claims this is a well supported chip, which I'd expect. |
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| 01:45.13 | daxxar | Covener, not installed, it seems. |
| 01:45.20 | dvm1981 | Nobody have seen that pastebin of unix_infidel ^^?? I not know about that source in that source.list |
| 01:45.24 | Azar | ok I guess I holded enough on this question: I lately see this new word "udev" what it is? |
| 01:45.39 | Crell42 | I get no /dev/dsp, though, which is what KDE keeps complaining about. |
| 01:45.42 | unix_infidel | are you serious? |
| 01:45.56 | Covener | Azar: a daemon that receives notices from the kernel about devices being detected, and it created device nodes in /dev/ on the fly |
| 01:46.05 | Azar | unix_infidel: potato/woody fan here |
| 01:46.05 | unix_infidel | ugh, any competent people know why apt is being screwey. |
| 01:46.06 | tim_flatus | Crell42, likewise. |
| 01:46.11 | dvm1981 | unix_infidel: It's now some time ago i use apt-proxy. Go to look on another computer |
| 01:46.16 | daxxar | Covener, should I install it? Running a linux-2.6.16.5 vanilla kernel |
| 01:46.28 | Azar | Covener: thank you |
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| 01:46.38 | unix_infidel | dvm1981: its a simple mistake somewhere i know it, maybe ill try another mirror. |
| 01:46.51 | _tuxboy_ | #manaus |
| 01:46.52 | Azar | unix_infidel: apt say: screw me, screw you |
| 01:46.54 | dvm1981 | unix_infidel: Yes, that's better, look for another one. |
| 01:46.57 | Covener | daxxar: install and configure udev or create a static /dev filesystem and play with MAKEDEV |
| 01:47.07 | mutante | can i use apt to only install the manpage of a package but not the software itself? i would like all avalilable manpages but not all the complete packages of course |
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| 01:47.33 | mond0 | so i just installed a bare system, how do i apt-get install sshd or wahtever.. edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include some repository? i'm disappointed this doesn't work right out of the gate.. |
| 01:47.45 | bkudria | i'm not sure what i did, but when i start rxvt or konsole, i get an irb (interactive ruby) prompt...how do i fix it? xterm is fine... |
| 01:47.47 | miki | installed... now restart? |
| 01:47.51 | bluefox83 | i need some help connecting a windows machine to the internet via my debian box |
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| 01:48.01 | Justin | mond0: eh? |
| 01:48.03 | Azar | miki not yet answer me: do you use lilo? |
| 01:48.07 | jnc | bkudria: check your shell |
| 01:48.08 | miki | nope |
| 01:48.09 | miki | grub |
| 01:48.16 | jnc | bkudria: /etc/passwd has your shell listed, what is it? |
| 01:48.18 | OleMoudi | can't believe gnome 2.14 is already entering testing after only a month from its realease |
| 01:48.22 | Azar | miki: ok you can reboot then |
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| 01:48.37 | miki | brb |
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| 01:48.46 | tuvwx | this is hopeless :(( |
| 01:48.51 | dvm1981 | mond0: tasksel?? But ... strange apt need to be work |
| 01:49.09 | anabain | Justin, should I MAKEDEV as chroot? should I rm /dev previously? |
| 01:49.09 | Azar | tuvwx: I do not even go near xorg... |
| 01:49.16 | dvm1981 | mond0: Get it. Do 'apt-setup' or so?? |
| 01:49.18 | bkudria | jnc: /bin/bash |
| 01:49.36 | danf_1979 | Is debian 1.1 available for download? |
| 01:49.37 | mond0 | sorry to all, http_proxy=http://hostname:port was not enough! need FQDN since my DHCP is unreliable, apparently.. |
| 01:49.44 | Azar | SerajewelKS: this udev seems some new toy |
| 01:50.04 | mond0 | hm, but i still can't apt-get install sshd |
| 01:50.09 | danf_1979 | Debian buzz |
| 01:50.09 | Azar | danf_1979: debian 3.0 is more fun |
| 01:50.10 | SerajewelKS | Azar: it fucks up nvagp |
| 01:50.18 | mond0 | E: Couldn't find package sshd |
| 01:50.18 | dvm1981 | mond0: Or use the IP |
| 01:50.29 | Justin | mond0: why are you assuming that the package is called sshd? |
| 01:50.35 | Azar | SerajewelKS: maybe has some bug, to be solved in the future |
| 01:50.42 | tuvwx | mond0, it's openssh-server, not sshd |
| 01:50.50 | dvm1981 | right ^^ |
| 01:51.03 | dvm1981 | openssh, always forget it's name |
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| 01:51.16 | mond0 | E: Couldn't find package openssh-server |
| 01:51.25 | SerajewelKS | Azar: no, it insists on loading agpgart |
| 01:51.26 | mutante | or simply "ssh" |
| 01:51.28 | mond0 | i thikn i need apt sources.list or whatever - i did a CD install.. |
| 01:51.40 | dvm1981 | mond0: Do 'apt-setup' or so?? |
| 01:51.48 | Azar | SerajewelKS: and agpgart is wrong? I use it ok |
| 01:51.51 | unix_infidel | blah....anyone on my apt sources.list question with etch and unofficial repos? |
| 01:51.52 | mond0 | dvm1981, okay :) |
| 01:52.02 | unix_infidel | i cant seem to get it to search correctly. |
| 01:52.05 | dvm1981 | mond0: Make you use of 'apt-proxy'?? |
| 01:52.06 | unix_infidel | or show any java packages. :( |
| 01:52.11 | dandesousa | hello, I am trying to make a startup script for shoutcast (so it automatically starts when i boot the sever), and I put a file inside the /etc/rc3.d/ dir called S20shout, it's contents are: touch /home/dan/shoutcast/sc_serv and touch /home/dan/shoutcast/source/sc_trans_linux. It does not work, may someone tell me what I am missing? |
| 01:52.18 | Azar | unix_infidel: that sounds like a hot & spicy mexican recipe |
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| 01:52.44 | SerajewelKS | Azar: /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status says that the card is not using agp *at all* |
| 01:53.12 | unix_infidel | Azar: just trying to get it WORKING man. |
| 01:53.15 | Azar | SerajewelKS: ouch... that is not nice. I use nvidia with agpgart and goes ok, but then again, I am using a warge |
| 01:53.24 | unix_infidel | and i cant find ANY reason as to why its not. |
| 01:53.35 | dvm1981 | dandesousa: You need to put there an symbolic link i guess |
| 01:53.40 | Azar | in woody I set agpgart, then in sarge I set nvidia driver |
| 01:53.50 | daxxar | Thanks a lot, Covener. That solved it for most of the drives, but one (/dev/hdq) is still missing. =p |
| 01:53.54 | dandesousa | what do you mean by that dvc1981? |
| 01:53.55 | Red_Cloud | Is MD5_CRYPT defined by default whenever Shadow Suite is installed with the Debian/Linux OS? |
| 01:54.17 | tim_flatus | I need a desktop makeover |
| 01:54.31 | unix_infidel | Azar: if it spits out gpg errors, then will it not correctly add the sources? |
| 01:54.47 | Azar | tim_flatus: what about using feh to put a background and a simple openbox3 manager? |
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| 01:55.13 | dvm1981 | dandesousa: I meand that you need to do 'ln /home/dan/shoutcast/source/sc_trans_linux' or somithings similar to create there an symbolic link. |
| 01:55.13 | tim_flatus | Azar, that is what I have got. :) |
| 01:55.18 | dvm1981 | oeps |
| 01:55.26 | miki | aight so im back on 2.4.27, sience my modem wont load under 2.6.8 |
| 01:55.32 | Azar | unix_infidel: apt sources are to set sources where official debian repositories are. you set anything else, it will not find what you need. try marillat for unofficial pacakges |
| 01:55.44 | unix_infidel | Azar: i'm trying to install java. |
| 01:55.44 | tim_flatus | Azar, hence the difficulty trying to think of anything better. |
| 01:55.47 | Azar | tim_flatus: me too :) |
| 01:55.52 | unix_infidel | Azar: i know apt sources are official sources |
| 01:56.00 | Azar | unix_infidel: ask dpkg about marillat |
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| 01:56.11 | unix_infidel | and i know that i've added a line that shows the correct debian-unofficial source |
| 01:56.20 | geoaxis | can any one suggest a good irc client for KDE ...i am running mirc via wine right now..i have kvirc ..but it deoesnt have firewall aupport |
| 01:56.21 | unix_infidel | Azar: i dont NEED marrillat as it doesnt have the correct java packages. |
| 01:56.42 | Azar | unix_infidel: hmmm try backports maybe? |
| 01:56.49 | ceplma | geoaxis: konversation or kopete |
| 01:56.56 | unix_infidel | deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free restricted |
| 01:56.56 | dvm1981 | geoaxis: Crazy guy, try Xchat or so, also in you're commercial thing. |
| 01:57.06 | unix_infidel | Azar: that's the line i added to sources.list |
| 01:57.18 | unix_infidel | i did apt-get update && apt-cache search java | grep sun |
| 01:57.24 | Azar | unix_infidel: how about adding contrib? |
| 01:57.25 | unix_infidel | and i still cant find any of the java JRE packages |
| 01:57.34 | unix_infidel | deb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 01:57.39 | Azar | ah is there |
| 01:57.40 | geoaxis | dvm1981 : looking for open source only |
| 01:57.41 | unix_infidel | :P |
| 01:57.46 | unix_infidel | ANY ideas? |
| 01:57.52 | dvm1981 | geoaxis: xchat!!! |
| 01:57.53 | unix_infidel | this is getting annoying, maybe apt is effed or something. |
| 01:58.18 | Azar | no wait |
| 01:58.19 | dvm1981 | geoaxis: Also for on the comercial os, |
| 01:58.34 | Justin | unix_infidel: maybe you should look to see what packages that site actually provides rather than guessing? |
| 01:58.35 | unix_infidel | i'm 20 seconds away from switching to debian :P |
| 01:58.44 | geoaxis | dvm1981 : well i just installed mirc via wine ..just to connect and ask this question...othherwise i use kvirc ..behind the firewall |
| 01:58.44 | ceplma | unix_infidel: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 01:58.45 | geoaxis | i am looking for some thing QT |
| 01:58.56 | geoaxis | xchat is good but GTK |
| 01:59.05 | Azar | unix_infidel: try ftp.freenet.de maybe better chances |
| 01:59.08 | unix_infidel | Justin: i'm following this guide. |
| 01:59.15 | unix_infidel | http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Debian_Java_JRE/JDK_installation_from_APT_repositories |
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| 01:59.24 | unix_infidel | it says add THAT source. |
| 01:59.34 | Azar | unix_infidel: try not to bloat your sources.list with tons of lines: use max 3 lines at a time, comment out all other |
| 01:59.37 | dvm1981 | geoaxis: tkirc?? |
| 01:59.58 | geoaxis | dvm1981 : checking |
| 02:00.00 | dvm1981 | geoaxis: Try to do 'apt-cache search chat' or somethings similar |
| 02:00.08 | Justin | unix_infidel: uh, no it doesn't |
| 02:00.12 | ceplma | what are experiences with konversation? |
| 02:00.15 | Azar | unix_infidel: and do not use mixed versions: use either stable OR testing |
| 02:00.25 | unix_infidel | Azar: that's the line they give me to use on that tutorial. |
| 02:00.33 | unix_infidel | Azar: all my other official sources are testing. |
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| 02:00.42 | unix_infidel | Justin: then why would they say add that source and do apt-get update? |
| 02:00.44 | Azar | unix_infidel: maybe the guy had a typo or the tutorial is old and the source is out of use |
| 02:00.52 | geoaxis | dvm1981 : tkirc ...is one UGLY client :) |
| 02:00.53 | Justin | unix_infidel: they don't |
| 02:00.55 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.58 | Justin | unix_infidel: you are on crack, eh? |
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| 02:01.10 | mutante | you dont really need a gui for irc, its text-based anyways |
| 02:01.15 | geoaxis | well as ugly as mirc on wine i guess |
| 02:01.23 | miki | ffs, can i just build those modules for 2.4.27? i am forced to reinstall my modem driver wich is pain in ass |
| 02:01.25 | unix_infidel | Justin: its unofficial repos. |
| 02:01.36 | unix_infidel | why wouldnt they include it if they WROTE a how to on how to get java from these sources. |
| 02:01.40 | unix_infidel | a little tipsy? |
| 02:01.44 | dvm1981 | geoaxis: In the console i use 'irssi' |
| 02:01.53 | Azar | unix_infidel: the only documentation I trust is the one published at Debian site. I do not trust going after "some guy" tutorial it might not apply to my system |
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| 02:02.07 | ceplma | unix_infidel: apt-cache show java-package |
| 02:02.35 | unix_infidel | ceplma: i'm not trying to install java-package i'm trying to install the java j2se-jre binary from the debian-unofficial repos. |
| 02:03.06 | ceplma | unix_infidel: why? make-java will make your very own .deb with content of Sun's J2RE |
| 02:03.13 | dvm1981 | imagine that the 755 reply's idem :-) |
| 02:03.22 | ceplma | unix_infidel: why bother with unofficial repos? |
| 02:03.23 | unix_infidel | ceplma: more convenient. |
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| 02:03.36 | miki | anyone can help me with installing speedtouch330 USB odem under 2.6..8 ? |
| 02:03.46 | ceplma | unix_infidel: difference is probably 2 min. |
| 02:03.50 | unix_infidel | ceplma: when i add a source to sources.list |
| 02:03.55 | ceplma | unix_infidel: (with slow computer) |
| 02:03.57 | unix_infidel | i expect it to work when its suppose to work :P |
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| 02:04.06 | msg43 | Hello |
| 02:04.11 | dvm1981 | miki: Have that modem no an RJ45 entry? |
| 02:04.20 | msg43 | How stable is unstable? |
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| 02:04.25 | ArthurMaciel | hi there, guys. |
| 02:04.28 | dvm1981 | msg43: unstable |
| 02:04.31 | bbrazil | msg43: it's unstable |
| 02:04.31 | ceplma | unix_infidel: but it is not supposed to work -- there are no really stable repos with the latest J2RE, because everybody is switching to java-package |
| 02:04.40 | msg43 | Are you sure? |
| 02:04.42 | profoX` | msg43: unstable is pretty stable compared to other distributions actually |
| 02:04.42 | mutante | msg43: less stable than stable ;) |
| 02:04.47 | msg43 | I heard that unstable is pretty stable |
| 02:04.52 | ArthurMaciel | I would like to know how do I disable some daemons on the boot process. |
| 02:04.53 | bbrazil | msg43: /topic |
| 02:04.58 | ceplma | msg43: currently, it is terribly unstable (broken X) |
| 02:05.00 | Justin | ArthurMaciel: uninstall them |
| 02:05.01 | profoX` | msg43: I used unstable for a LONG time and it worked perfectly |
| 02:05.02 | miki | dvm1981: what RJ45 entry? |
| 02:05.03 | mutante | msg43: compared to? |
| 02:05.03 | unix_infidel | ceplma: so if i run make-java as root, then itll create a java package forme? |
| 02:05.04 | msg43 | Why should I read a topic |
| 02:05.04 | ArthurMaciel | what? |
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| 02:05.18 | miki | dvm1981: it was running well under 2.4.27 lernel but after update i must reinstall it :( |
| 02:05.19 | dvm1981 | miki: An little fiche, like that one of an network cable. |
| 02:05.20 | unix_infidel | ceplma: or make-jpkg? |
| 02:05.28 | profoX` | msg43: long time is only about 6 months, but thats pretty long :) |
| 02:05.30 | ceplma | unix_infidel: now, you run make-java as normal user and then install .deb package as root |
| 02:05.32 | ArthurMaciel | Justin, and if I just needed to disable it temporaly? |
| 02:05.44 | ceplma | unix_infidel: s/now/no/ |
| 02:05.46 | unix_infidel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.53 | unix_infidel | make-java* |
| 02:06.00 | msg43 | Why doen't dpkg have any text formating |
| 02:06.01 | Justin | ArthurMaciel: how long would that be? |
| 02:06.01 | ceplma | unix_infidel: that's what java-package gives you |
| 02:06.03 | miki | dvm1981: i ont get it :( but modem wont even light diodes under 2,6.8 |
| 02:06.04 | msg43 | its so hard to read! |
| 02:06.10 | dvm1981 | miki: If you use an modem with the RJ45, you got no problems, it's always detected, but USB is another story |
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| 02:06.10 | unix_infidel | ceplma: i HAVE java-package. |
| 02:06.13 | unix_infidel | that's the problem. |
| 02:06.30 | unix_infidel | i'm running etch btw |
| 02:06.33 | ceplma | sorry, the name of the program is make-jpkg |
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| 02:06.48 | ArthurMaciel | I have installed debian on an old hd using my new pc. When I move the hd to the old pc (its owner) it hanges at boot process, I believe because lack of memory. |
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| 02:06.54 | dvm1981 | miki: Some modems have USB and RJ45, if you can choose TAKE the RJ45 |
| 02:06.58 | unix_infidel | ceplma: lol, so your telling me to do what dpkg told me to 30mins ago. |
| 02:06.58 | Justin | unix_infidel: more acurately, the fact that you are trying to install java is your problem |
| 02:07.01 | ArthurMaciel | So I would like to disable process and enable one by one. |
| 02:07.02 | unix_infidel | make my own bloody java package |
| 02:07.07 | Azar | miki maybe you want to try the modconf command and look for your usb there |
| 02:07.09 | ArthurMaciel | to see what the old pc can handle. |
| 02:07.12 | ceplma | unix_infidel: yes |
| 02:07.14 | ArthurMaciel | Got that, Justin? |
| 02:07.15 | unix_infidel | Justin: the fact of the matter is you are incompetent telling me that, that source isnt going to get me the package that i ned. |
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| 02:07.26 | unix_infidel | when in fact your a troll who's nonproductive and nonconstructive. |
| 02:07.38 | miki | dvm1981: not, its pure USb modem.. nothing else there |
| 02:07.39 | ArthurMaciel | man, is it a war? |
| 02:07.45 | ceplma | unix_infidel: cool down -- you asked for help. |
| 02:07.50 | unix_infidel | ceplma: i'm getting help. |
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| 02:07.58 | unix_infidel | Justin just has no idea what he's talking about |
| 02:08.04 | msg43 | Help is that a understatment? |
| 02:08.06 | unix_infidel | and then he proceeds to troll around like hw know things. |
| 02:08.10 | unix_infidel | he* |
| 02:08.11 | Azar | unix_infidel: please be polite with helpers |
| 02:08.17 | ceplma | unix_infidel: so don't tell me that I am troll, when I try to help you (I wasn't here 30 min. ago) |
| 02:08.24 | dvm1981 | miki: I guess you get some troubles to get it running, you need to work a bit on it to get that running compareted of an RJ45 |
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| 02:08.30 | unix_infidel | ceplma: YOU are not a troll, you are actually quite helpful. |
| 02:08.51 | ceplma | unix_infidel: ok |
| 02:08.57 | msg43 | Helpful trolls are cool |
| 02:08.59 | dvm1981 | miki: Sure that the USB are been working? Try with some other hardware, just to be are sure that there are not an little problem with you're USB ports |
| 02:09.03 | msg43 | Have you guys ever seen a troll? |
| 02:09.04 | unix_infidel | ceplma: that was directed at one individual and not the channel. |
| 02:09.08 | Azar | miki how it goes? |
| 02:09.15 | ceplma | msg43: LOTR |
| 02:09.18 | miki | dvm1981: i had it running under 2.4.27 kernel but it took me a while to get it to work(like 3 diff firmware for modem and then 3 diff drivers for each one) |
| 02:09.20 | Justin | unix_infidel: so, how is that source is working for you? |
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| 02:09.32 | Azar | miki try modconf |
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| 02:09.44 | dvm1981 | miki: ^^ |
| 02:09.44 | ceplma | unix_infidel: [22:07:23] unix_infidel says: |
| 02:09.44 | ceplma | when in fact your a troll who's nonproductive and nonconstructive. |
| 02:09.58 | ceplma | unix_infidel: that was directed to everybody |
| 02:09.58 | miki | Azar: it doe nothing under 2.4.27, is it 2.6.8 command only? |
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| 02:10.16 | ceplma | unix_infidel: but point taken |
| 02:10.17 | Gnea | okay. |
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| 02:10.23 | unix_infidel | ceplma: no it was directed to Justin, i mentioned his name in the line above. |
| 02:10.24 | Azar | miki is a console command, it gives you a list of modules for your devices, try it |
| 02:10.32 | Azar | hi mr Gnea |
| 02:10.40 | Gnea | good evening |
| 02:10.42 | dvm1981 | miki: I guess you have installed 'modconf'?? |
| 02:10.45 | unix_infidel | apologies if someone misconstrued it as towards the # |
| 02:10.48 | Azar | ;) |
| 02:10.59 | Gnea | bwah! |
| 02:11.06 | miki | Azar: under 2.4.27 it says bash: modconf: command not found |
| 02:11.24 | Azar | miki try installing modconf then |
| 02:11.24 | dvm1981 | miki: It's been installed? modconf?? |
| 02:11.30 | Gnea | unix_infidel: so what's this problem with java and etch, exactly? |
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| 02:11.48 | ArthurMaciel | anyone knows how to disable daemons at boot process? |
| 02:11.51 | unix_infidel | Gnea: i'm trying to get apt to recognize an unofficial source i have setup. |
| 02:11.56 | unix_infidel | which contains prebuilt java packages. |
| 02:11.57 | Justin | Gnea: stubbornness it seems |
| 02:11.57 | Azar | miki I assume now you are "under" 2.6.8 kernel |
| 02:12.03 | Gnea | Justin: i didn't ask you. |
| 02:12.06 | miki | Azar: i can install it without internet under 2.6.8... can i install it on 2.4.27 and then it will work under 2.6.8 ? |
| 02:12.08 | ArthurMaciel | apache, portmap, mysql, cups, nfs, etc... |
| 02:12.14 | Justin | Gnea: asking him isn't going to do you much good |
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| 02:12.17 | Gnea | unix_infidel: what's the line? |
| 02:12.24 | Azar | miki install is : apt-get install modconf |
| 02:12.25 | Gnea | Justin: you are now on ignore |
| 02:12.25 | unix_infidel | deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free restricted |
| 02:12.29 | Azar | miki ah |
| 02:12.30 | Azar | ok |
| 02:12.43 | Justin | well, good to know Gnea hasn't changed at all in 3 years |
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| 02:12.45 | unix_infidel | it gets and hits from that server but apt-cache search java | grep sun shows nothing. |
| 02:12.45 | Azar | strange you do not have modconf |
| 02:12.47 | Gnea | 'restricted'? |
| 02:12.53 | miki | Azar: actually i can download it under 2.4.27, and then install under 2.6.8 |
| 02:12.54 | miki | right? |
| 02:12.55 | dvm1981 | miki: 'apt-file' ?? |
| 02:12.58 | unix_infidel | Gnea: its one of their directories, i dunno. |
| 02:13.06 | Azar | miki try that then |
| 02:13.09 | unix_infidel | it doesnt work if i remvoe that part anyway. |
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| 02:13.15 | mutante | ArthurMaciel: if they are started by "inetd"../etc/inetd.conf (or xinetd) |
| 02:13.49 | miki | Azar: wich commands should i use? lol |
| 02:13.57 | Azar | miki all the Debians I installed come with modconf, to me looks strange when people say they do not have it |
| 02:14.09 | dvm1981 | miki: Yes keep it simple, reboot, use the right one kernel, download only that package. Reboot, come back again, install it and let it know |
| 02:14.09 | Azar | miki: apt-get install modconf |
| 02:14.12 | dvm1981 | crazy |
| 02:14.31 | Azar | miki wait |
| 02:14.39 | Azar | did you try modconf as root? |
| 02:14.44 | miki | apt-get install will install it, i want to download |
| 02:14.45 | dvm1981 | Azar: It's not default installed. |
| 02:14.45 | ceplma | unix_infidel: try to install apt-file and then try to find out who all provides /usr/bin/java |
| 02:14.48 | miki | yes, always as root |
| 02:14.50 | profoX` | :) |
| 02:14.58 | profoX` | debhelper a bot? |
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| 02:15.03 | Azar | miki you need to apt-get install it, not download |
| 02:15.06 | profoX` | !commands |
| 02:15.06 | dpkg | commands is probably The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
| 02:15.09 | Justin | Azar: modconf was standard for woody, not in sarge.. |
| 02:15.24 | Azar | Justin, what a loss... I am glad I use warge then |
| 02:15.26 | dvm1981 | Azar: But like he have no Internet connection with this kernel he running. |
| 02:15.27 | Gnea | unix_infidel: okay, well you're using etch, and your line has sarge on it, and there's an etch dist up there |
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| 02:15.36 | Red_Cloud | unix_infidel, do you have etch installed? |
| 02:15.41 | unix_infidel | Red_Cloud: yea. |
| 02:15.44 | Gnea | so obviously, switch to etch to stay inline |
| 02:15.55 | unix_infidel | Gnea: either way, it doesnt work. |
| 02:16.01 | Red_Cloud | unix_infidel do you have synaptic package installed? |
| 02:16.06 | unix_infidel | Gnea: yea. |
| 02:16.10 | Gnea | unix_infidel: just switch it. "doesn't work" is an oxymoron. |
| 02:16.10 | Azar | unix_infidel: as I told you earlier: do not make a stew and a cabbage out of your sources.list: stay with one distro |
| 02:16.13 | dvm1981 | Azar: So he need to reboot, use the old kernel or install it there then reboot and use the newer one |
| 02:16.32 | Gnea | unix_infidel: and as the domain implies, it *IS* unofficial |
| 02:16.36 | ceplma | unix_infidel: this is really good advice -- follow it |
| 02:16.47 | unix_infidel | Gnea: no, i mean to say that i used etch when i first added the line to sources.list |
| 02:17.15 | unix_infidel | i changed it back to sarge b/c the wiki tutorial i'm looking at said to use sarge. |
| 02:17.23 | Azar | apt sources.list say: screw me, screw you |
| 02:17.25 | Gnea | unix_infidel: are you capable of replying to and providing a straight answer? |
| 02:17.40 | ceplma | unix_infidel: what do you use this computer for? desktop or server? |
| 02:17.46 | unix_infidel | Gnea: i changed it already :) |
| 02:17.55 | Red_Cloud | unix_infidel download the file that you want to install and save it to your home directory. Open Synaptic/file/Add downloaded packages and then mark for installation |
| 02:17.55 | unix_infidel | ceplma: desktop. |
| 02:18.02 | Gnea | unix_infidel: okay, well if you use etch, just use etch sources if they're available, hands-down. that's just common fucking sense :) |
| 02:18.14 | ceplma | unix_infidel: then go for etch, don't bother with sarge |
| 02:18.14 | Azar | Justin now I got curious: if modconf is not supplied with sarge, what is the replacement? |
| 02:18.39 | unix_infidel | Gnea: lol, like i said when i ADDED the line to sources.list i appended the line to use etch instead of sarge assuming that they had the correct directories on THEIR end too. |
| 02:18.49 | Justin | Azar: I believe with hotplug and udev it has largely been obsoleted |
| 02:18.53 | tim_flatus | Azar, it has become unnecessary largely. |
| 02:18.54 | unix_infidel | but i changed it back since assumptions usually get in the way until i navigated their repos. |
| 02:19.16 | unix_infidel | Gnea: either way, appending the line NOW (back again) doesnt make the repo work... |
| 02:19.18 | Azar | interesting, I should try this udev thing... thank you for the explanation |
| 02:19.24 | unix_infidel | Azar: yea, udev is nice. |
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| 02:19.31 | ceplma | /leave good night |
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| 02:19.47 | Azar | does udev work in Sarge or is the "future gadget for etch" ? |
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| 02:20.37 | ArthurMaciel | I just read how to deactivate the boot process daemons: just chmod -x service on /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:20.40 | Azar | gah my box works so great, I never bothered to test new toys |
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| 02:21.08 | Justin | unix_infidel: good point, now stop assuming that they have the package you are looking for, and actually LOOK at what packages they have. |
| 02:21.20 | dvm1981 | Azar: modconf are been in Sarge, just it's not default installed i thinkg. Because i had to install it additionally |
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| 02:21.48 | Justin | Azar: all modconf does is add a line to /etc/modules anyway |
| 02:21.57 | tim_flatus | ArthurMaciel, man update-rc.d |
| 02:22.27 | ArthurMaciel | thanks. |
| 02:22.39 | unix_infidel | :P |
| 02:22.57 | meneg | hi, in sid what are the default entries (if at all) of ld.so.conf? currently firefox is complaining of not finding libXp.so.6 (which is in the old /usr/X11R6/lib) |
| 02:23.05 | powder | don't mix ubuntu / debian packages :P |
| 02:23.12 | Azar | Justin: what I liked at modconf is that I can browse the list and select what exactly I needed |
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| 02:23.14 | unix_infidel | powder: it was a joke. |
| 02:23.23 | Azar | ArthurMaciel: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/04/enabling-and-disabling-services-during_01.html |
| 02:23.37 | tim_flatus | unix_infidel, are you sure you are searching for the right packagename? |
| 02:23.38 | powder | unix_infidel, haha ok just makin sure ;) |
| 02:23.50 | dvm1981 | Azar: Yes, right, it's easy to do with 'modconf' |
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| 02:24.08 | dvm1981 | Azar: That's why the developpers have made it ;-) |
| 02:24.09 | meneg | ok, can someone chech if /etc/ld.so.conf contains any line in a default sid installation? |
| 02:24.49 | Red_Cloud | unix_infidel here is the etch sources.list. http://rafb.net/paste/results/Qlw8jO82.html Download the file that you want to install and save it to your home directory. Open Synaptic/file/Add downloaded packages and then mark for installation |
| 02:24.49 | dvm1981 | meneg: If you have 10 minutes, the time i power an virtual machine |
| 02:25.01 | miki | so, how to download package but not install it? |
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| 02:25.02 | meneg | dvm1981: thx |
| 02:25.19 | tarzeau | miki: man apt-get |
| 02:25.22 | tarzeau | miki: -d |
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| 02:26.06 | miki | tarzeau: and where it will be saved to? |
| 02:26.16 | Justin | miki: find / -name '*.deb' |
| 02:26.24 | ArthurMaciel | do you know if thttpd works with php? Is it lighter than apache? |
| 02:26.26 | AaronSw | does anyone know where I can find a 256MB hd-media/boot.img.gz -- the current one is too small to hold the latest release of debian-installer |
| 02:26.26 | tarzeau | miki: /var somewhere |
| 02:26.33 | meneg | miki: on /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:27.05 | tarzeau | why would you care? |
| 02:27.13 | Red_Cloud | unix_infidel did you get the package downloaded to your directory? |
| 02:27.23 | tarzeau | use apt-get to install packages |
| 02:27.38 | meneg | i do that sometimes if the deb wont install |
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| 02:27.48 | tarzeau | meneg: which deb? |
| 02:27.50 | meneg | may want to extract it |
| 02:27.52 | miki | tarzeau: i got two kernels, one with internet and other one without |
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| 02:27.57 | meneg | and read files in it and such |
| 02:28.03 | miki | i must install modem first on onther kernel |
| 02:28.08 | dvm1981 | meneg: Look's like that i got some troubles. I think i have mess somethings up there the last time i used. I can not directly answer it |
| 02:28.13 | meneg | tarzeau: whatever file |
| 02:28.15 | miki | so i will download with one and install with another one |
| 02:28.21 | meneg | dvm1981: k np |
| 02:28.22 | Azar | miki: tarzeau is right, you should not just "download" crapola from the internet, use apt-get allways |
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| 02:28.32 | dvm1981 | meneg: I can not access my unstable one :-/ |
| 02:28.39 | miki | aight, brb |
| 02:28.42 | tarzeau | Azar: you use sid, right? |
| 02:28.51 | tarzeau | Azar: try dodgindiamond2 or briquolo :) |
| 02:28.55 | Azar | tarzeau, shame on me, chicken me: sarge |
| 02:29.06 | tarzeau | Azar: ufff, i'll make backports |
| 02:29.32 | Azar | tarzeau I think by august I will have the courage to jump on etch |
| 02:29.52 | tarzeau | Azar: man you use so old software... |
| 02:29.54 | meneg | am i the only one that had a latest sid firefox needing /usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6 ? |
| 02:29.55 | pab | Does anyone know when openoffice will be available for debian amd64 |
| 02:29.57 | dvm1981 | meneg: Have you already you're answer? |
| 02:29.58 | meneg | s/had/has |
| 02:29.59 | tarzeau | Azar: and when will you have courage for sid? |
| 02:30.00 | bruno | azar, why only august? |
| 02:30.04 | meneg | dvm1981: no |
| 02:30.08 | Azar | tarzeau, warge but is so stable, and comfy |
| 02:30.09 | tarzeau | pab: there's a #debian-oo, no? |
| 02:30.26 | Red_Cloud | Well, unix_infidel, I think that we found out who the troll might be! |
| 02:30.28 | Azar | tarzeau: no time and knowledge to fix problems |
| 02:30.35 | pab | tazeau: I wasn't aware ..... thank you for the info |
| 02:30.49 | tarzeau | Azar: you miss all the greatedt and newest and best software |
| 02:30.58 | tarzeau | Azar: or well, you get it 2 years too late |
| 02:30.59 | bruno | whats gonna happen in august? |
| 02:31.00 | unix_infidel | Red_Cloud: ? |
| 02:31.08 | Azar | tarzeau: I know, all new games come up allways in sid only |
| 02:31.25 | powder | etch is not that far behind sid |
| 02:31.31 | Red_Cloud | unix_infidel here is the etch sources.list. http://rafb.net/paste/results/Qlw8jO82.html Download the file that you want to install and save it to your home directory. Open Synaptic/file/Add downloaded packages and then mark for installation |
| 02:31.31 | Azar | bruno: in august I might lose my cowardiness and try my toes with etch |
| 02:31.41 | cleit0n | how i do to back my x to oldier version? |
| 02:31.44 | tarzeau | Azar: all packages, no matter if it's a game or not |
| 02:31.47 | bruno | hehe, i saw that. |
| 02:31.51 | tarzeau | cleit0n: you don't |
| 02:31.55 | cleit0n | x 7 broken here |
| 02:32.01 | tarzeau | cleit0n: you broke it |
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| 02:32.04 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 02:32.04 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 02:32.07 | tarzeau | !topicsmite cleit0n |
| 02:32.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cleit0n. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:32.09 | cleit0n | tarzeau: ? |
| 02:32.14 | tarzeau | cleit0n: it's your problem |
| 02:32.19 | Azar | tarzeau: that means I need to take a vacation to learn new ways of installing, configuring ...etc |
| 02:32.22 | tarzeau | cleit0n: you did apt-upgrade |
| 02:32.28 | Azar | I still do not like grub |
| 02:32.30 | tarzeau | apt-get upgrade, even |
| 02:32.34 | powder | cleit0n, if you use sid you get to keep the pieces!!! |
| 02:32.34 | tarzeau | Azar: but why? |
| 02:32.40 | cleit0n | tarzeau: yes i upgrade.. and x broken |
| 02:32.40 | meneg | i finally fixed by x7 but I dont understand why nobody but me notices that firefox won't start without pointing to it a /usr/X11R6/ lib |
| 02:32.46 | bruno | think i'll qemu my way in sid. |
| 02:32.48 | tarzeau | cleit0n: you broke x |
| 02:32.52 | tarzeau | cleit0n: fix it |
| 02:33.01 | Azar | tarzeau: I tried it and did not succeed, is like a locked chamber for me, no light, claustrophobic |
| 02:33.06 | bruno | not ready to leave sarge yet. |
| 02:33.21 | Crell42 | exit |
| 02:33.22 | dvm1981 | meneg: I not know man ;-) |
| 02:33.27 | cleit0n | tarzeau: i dont know.. |
| 02:33.35 | Azar | with lilo, I open it, enter, do the stuff, save, lock it and done |
| 02:34.05 | cleit0n | tarzeau: how i back my x to sarge x or x old |
| 02:34.05 | meneg | ldd /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin|grep libXp |
| 02:34.06 | tim_flatus | tarzeau, Sarge is comfy, glx works, stuff like that. Do not knock it. |
| 02:34.12 | tarzeau | cleit0n: you can't |
| 02:34.21 | tarzeau | tim_flatus: it's missing so much software |
| 02:34.29 | bruno | like what? |
| 02:34.30 | tarzeau | tim_flatus: besides, the kernels don't work on most new hardware |
| 02:34.37 | Azar | tarzeau is a master of the adventure, not much time here to study new ways |
| 02:34.45 | tarzeau | bruno: asking me? many! |
| 02:34.49 | tim_flatus | tarzeau, I recycle. No problem for me. :) |
| 02:35.01 | cleit0n | tarzeau: why can i do? reisntall my system? |
| 02:35.07 | Azar | bruno you know new gadgets, tools, games and players |
| 02:35.07 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: snapshot?? |
| 02:35.08 | ArthurMaciel | see you. Thanks for help. |
| 02:35.18 | tarzeau | cleit0n: wait for the fix |
| 02:35.19 | powder | cleit0n, install etch ;) |
| 02:35.21 | bruno | No idea... |
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| 02:35.41 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: I mean make use of snapshots. Look on google to get old package back again |
| 02:35.44 | cleit0n | dvm1981: sid |
| 02:35.46 | bruno | i'd use a faster usb, though... |
| 02:35.46 | Azar | well maybe in august I will take a vacation and put the spare box at test with etch |
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| 02:36.10 | Azar | .. old hardware though |
| 02:36.33 | cleit0n | dvm1981: my x broken, and i need work again, but i dont know |
| 02:36.37 | Noboru | Good morning ,Debian! :) |
| 02:36.44 | bruno | zut! |
| 02:37.58 | bruno | does everybody thinks sarge is so obsolete? |
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| 02:38.08 | nix4me | yep |
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| 02:38.11 | Azar | not me, sarge is a rolling stone! |
| 02:38.23 | meneg | what that app to send bug reports from a terminal? |
| 02:38.26 | meneg | s/what's |
| 02:38.30 | nix4me | etch is even behind the times a bit |
| 02:38.36 | Azar | bah |
| 02:38.51 | nix4me | i like etch though |
| 02:38.52 | bruno | I find sarge pretty usable... |
| 02:38.53 | tim_flatus | bruno, everything stable in Linux is obsolete and no longer supported ;p |
| 02:39.19 | powder | haha true |
| 02:39.20 | Azar | this box been up 61 days with no flinch, never coughs, never breaks |
| 02:39.38 | bruno | well, here in brasil most hardware available is obsolete, as well. |
| 02:39.58 | Azar | bruno: the old hen makes the best soup. |
| 02:40.06 | tim_flatus | bruno, so you will be fine with sarge for a little longer? |
| 02:40.09 | bruno | Indeed friend, |
| 02:40.21 | dvm1981 | meneg: reportbug |
| 02:40.30 | bruno | Well, you guys got me curious, to be honest. |
| 02:40.39 | Azar | infact, when I will go for etch I will install again with woody then up to sarge then up to etch |
| 02:40.44 | meneg | dvm1981: thx |
| 02:40.57 | nix4me | i still think firefox and multimedia is crap in all distros |
| 02:41.01 | nix4me | :) |
| 02:41.08 | dvm1981 | meneg: You know how it work: You're welcome :-) |
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| 02:41.41 | bruno | I'll qemu sid, i guess. Never thought of leaving sarge, up to now. |
| 02:42.37 | powder | sid is fun and games until something gets broken |
| 02:42.42 | bruno | multimedia is complicated, i agree. But feasible. |
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| 02:43.06 | miki | hmm |
| 02:43.16 | Azar | let's see: I got a *dm-less desktop, xmms to play music, irssi, firefox to surf, imagemagick, gimp and feh for photos, games, openoffice.. pretty all I need |
| 02:43.16 | miki | aight, installed but what to do with it? |
| 02:43.40 | Azar | miki type as root: modconf |
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| 02:44.02 | Red_Cloud | unix_infidel, did you get your package installed? |
| 02:44.06 | nix4me | i agree that my etch is very nice, however i still have probs with streaming video and firefox lockups sometimes |
| 02:44.10 | miki | did, box showed |
| 02:44.12 | bruno | azar, that's my point: what's in other branches that sarge doesnt do? |
| 02:44.22 | miki | i went to usb/input |
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| 02:44.26 | nix4me | cnn and wftv.com videos give me trouble with mplayerplug-in |
| 02:44.26 | miki | no speedtouch there |
| 02:44.37 | Azar | nix4me: I will never do video on my PC |
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| 02:44.47 | powder | Azar, why not? |
| 02:44.47 | dvm1981 | miki: Which model exacly, i no more remember |
| 02:44.54 | nix4me | video is a must |
| 02:44.55 | unix_infidel | Red_Cloud: yea, i just did what dpkg told me. |
| 02:44.56 | miki | Speedtouch330 USB |
| 02:44.57 | Azar | miki there must be an alias, a clone for your usb, try to find out which |
| 02:44.59 | bruno | never video, why azar? |
| 02:44.59 | unix_infidel | dpkg: is a smart guy. |
| 02:45.12 | miki | its so problematic, that it has it own channel here but everyone is dead |
| 02:45.21 | tim_flatus | bruno, I just upgraded to etch, only because I was having problems with sarge. |
| 02:45.23 | meneg | can someone check if their sid has any line in /etc/ld.so.conf by default? |
| 02:45.33 | Red_Cloud | unix_infidel, you are a troll |
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| 02:45.36 | bruno | what problems, tim? |
| 02:45.38 | __YRAL__ | to tentando configurar o modem, mas ele ja pediu o header do kernel, agora o kernel-kbuild-2.6-3! tem cmo saber tudo q vai necessitar? |
| 02:45.40 | Azar | nix4me: each with his opinion: I consider it a blasphemy: I have a video player in my living, no need to ridicule my PC |
| 02:45.51 | liable_ | dpkg: you're smart |
| 02:45.51 | dpkg | beyond your comprehension |
| 02:45.55 | Azar | miki let's google wait |
| 02:45.58 | nix4me | i didnt ridicul |
| 02:46.07 | nix4me | geez |
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| 02:46.09 | nix4me | lighten up |
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| 02:46.26 | nix4me | wasnt even talking to you |
| 02:46.30 | Azar | nix4me: maybe I am old fashioned, but I wont sit at a desk watching movies, is ridiculous |
| 02:46.45 | powder | i do all the time ;) |
| 02:46.47 | tim_flatus | bruno, if you want to keep up with latest developments snd don not mind breakages use sid. If you want to do testing, and sort of keep up without so many breakages use etch. If you do not want breakages stay with sarge |
| 02:46.54 | liable_ | what about emails with funny movie attachments?? |
| 02:46.55 | pixolet | Azar, that's why laptops exist ;) |
| 02:47.17 | shogunx | Azar i kind of agree... then again i do have a dedicated av/videogame box with an nfs server for it for media. |
| 02:47.18 | Justin | Azar: some people have tv's that have vgi and dvi inputs :-P |
| 02:47.21 | bruno | Tim, This I can understand. |
| 02:47.50 | tim_flatus | bruno, not sure, but probably something to do with glx and xorg. |
| 02:48.07 | shogunx | Azar, my little girl would kill me without it:) |
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| 02:48.14 | tim_flatus | and upgrading has done me little good. :| |
| 02:48.15 | dvm1981 | miki: Got him?? |
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| 02:48.41 | dvm1981 | miki: .../usb/misc |
| 02:48.43 | bruno | Except for a few ridiculous scripts, I don't code, so my need for up-to-date software... |
| 02:48.59 | tim_flatus | however, it means it is worth sending bug reports. |
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| 02:49.11 | dvm1981 | miki: In the 'kernel/drivers/usb/misc' |
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| 02:49.38 | bruno | Anyway, I'd like to know if its common sense that sarge is obsolete for the desktop. |
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| 02:50.08 | powder | i say sarge is for servers :P |
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| 02:51.09 | tim_flatus | I keep all the machines at work on sarge. Prevents so much moaning. |
| 02:51.42 | Justin | bruno: depends on what you use your desktop for |
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| 02:52.17 | dan2 | shogunx, how are ya |
| 02:52.20 | bap | I need at least testing :P ... ah for my desktop |
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| 02:52.28 | bruno | Ok, deal. I'll give sid a try. What are the main differences? |
| 02:52.29 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 02:52.36 | bruno | hi |
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| 02:52.48 | dvm1981 | miki: Done? |
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| 02:53.22 | Teo | Oi fazem 3 dias que eu tento usar o debian mas depois que instalei om mouse nćo funcionava. |
| 02:53.22 | Teo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.23 | Teo | Na Section input device coloquei: |
| 02:53.23 | Teo | Identifier "Generic Mouse" |
| 02:53.23 | Teo | Driver "mouse" |
| 02:53.23 | Teo | Device "/dev/input/mice" |
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| 02:53.41 | dvm1981 | That was really quick :-/ |
| 02:53.42 | Azar | miki did you try to select the usbcore from modconf? |
| 02:53.52 | bruno | teo, calma... |
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| 02:54.07 | miki | nope not yet, was reading howto... but it sux :) |
| 02:54.22 | Azar | I do not know much about usb stuff, but you can try stuff there are lots of usb modules there to pick at |
| 02:54.25 | miki | so i should go to kernel/drivers/usb/misc ? |
| 02:54.37 | miki | googling for what? |
| 02:54.38 | Rug | I'm running Sarge on my server, which 'version of NFS should I install? nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server ? (in the past I've had troubles with this) |
| 02:54.49 | Azar | miki for the module name of your usb |
| 02:55.14 | miki | i can tell u that under 2.4.27 |
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| 02:55.25 | cleit0n | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 02:55.25 | miki | i had automatically detected either peedtch or speedtouch |
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| 02:55.35 | dvm1981 | miki: Whas you using udev? |
| 02:55.37 | ben32167 | hello |
| 02:55.38 | miki | but i was forced to install second one too |
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| 02:55.51 | miki | dvm1981: nope, no udev |
| 02:55.54 | tim_flatus | miki, you have a speedtouch modem? |
| 02:56.01 | miki | yes |
| 02:56.04 | dvm1981 | tim_flatus: Yep, an 330 |
| 02:56.09 | miki | 330 USB... thomson |
| 02:56.12 | tim_flatus | miki, aiiee!! |
| 02:56.22 | ben32167 | how can i change priority of an application permanently?, or run it with a predefined priority? |
| 02:56.33 | dvm1981 | hhmm that's an thomson. No alcatel anymore :-/ |
| 02:56.35 | tim_flatus | miki, now I understand your problems |
| 02:56.50 | miki | i had it under 2.4.27 :) |
| 02:56.51 | bbrazil | ben32167: nice/renice |
| 02:56.57 | miki | now i need to run it on 2.6.8 |
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| 02:57.41 | dvm1981 | miki http://christophe.delord.free.fr/en/adsl/index.html ?? |
| 02:57.42 | Azar | miki try apt-get install speedtouch hotplug |
| 02:57.42 | tim_flatus | miki, I have it on the machine at work. The configuration is horrible. |
| 02:57.51 | dvm1981 | miki: Ignore me |
| 02:57.54 | miki | afaik ALL howto's one google were wrong for me |
| 02:57.59 | miki | on* |
| 02:58.05 | Azar | damn you do not have a connection :( |
| 02:58.15 | miki | but i can download |
| 02:58.17 | miki | on 2.4.27 |
| 02:58.20 | tim_flatus | miki, you have to use the speedtouch howto, there is only one |
| 02:58.34 | ben32167 | bbrazil, can u type a example line of usage of nice? |
| 02:58.42 | bbrazil | ben32167: nice appname |
| 02:58.42 | miki | tim: i found like 20, all were wrong.. including ppl here who were wrong too |
| 02:58.50 | miki | even sourceforge one is wrong |
| 02:58.54 | tim_flatus | miki, and go hassle the developers there. Do you speak French? |
| 02:58.55 | miki | there are 3 firmwares not 2 |
| 02:59.05 | miki | nah :) |
| 02:59.06 | ben32167 | bbrazil, where to put -20? |
| 02:59.17 | ben32167 | nice -20 command? |
| 02:59.20 | tim_flatus | miki, 3 I only remember 2 |
| 02:59.33 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.35 | bbrazil | ben32167: check the manpage, that'll require root. don't run things at -20 unless you know exactly what you're doing |
| 02:59.58 | tim_flatus | miki, this involves setting up a PPPoA connection or something? I am working from memory. |
| 03:00.04 | miki | i fund 1.3.1-5 driver, when latest on sourceforge was 1.3.1-2 |
| 03:00.12 | miki | yes afaik |
| 03:00.16 | ben32167 | ok, 1 more thing, i need to change priorty of a windows app, running under wine, should i change wines priorty? |
| 03:00.18 | miki | but its easy |
| 03:00.38 | miki | for me worst parts were firmwares... |
| 03:00.43 | bbrazil | ben32167: that's one way, but combined with the windows scheduler it's anyone's guess |
| 03:00.53 | Maliuta | anyone know of issues with the 3.1r1 installer and SATA sil cards? it's hanging loading sd_mod (which I kinda need to talk to the disks) |
| 03:01.30 | Azar | damn it looks like Sarge does not have modules for usb drivers for your speedtouch, ouch it hurts |
| 03:01.52 | tim_flatus | miki, the only thing I can say is that it should be much better supported by a newer kernel. |
| 03:01.59 | Azar | miki, yes only with sourceforge howto |
| 03:02.09 | liable_ | Maliuta: try theother kernel? |
| 03:02.19 | miki | so hotplug will do anything good for me or not? |
| 03:02.21 | Rosset-BR | I look information on cross-office |
| 03:02.24 | bbrazil | ben32167: talk in the channel |
| 03:02.25 | Azar | tim_flatus: I am surprised, the 2.6.8 kernel does not have a module for that usb |
| 03:02.30 | ben32167 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.30 | ben32167 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.32 | Maliuta | liable: both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels are doing it |
| 03:02.46 | tim_flatus | miki, I don not think hotplug will help. |
| 03:02.51 | Azar | miki hotplug it is said to find and recognize modules |
| 03:03.09 | liable_ | Maliuta: bugger. expert mode? |
| 03:03.11 | miki | Azar: btw, now u see.. i should stay at 2.4.27 and install modules for AGP instead of getting new kernel :) |
| 03:03.25 | Maliuta | liable_: I don't use anything else |
| 03:03.27 | Maliuta | :) |
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| 03:03.50 | Maliuta | liable_: I thought someone might have an idea about options to pass lilo |
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| 03:04.09 | liable_ | Maliuta: this is after install? |
| 03:04.23 | Azar | miki the myth is that a higher kernel makes your hardware and usb modules easier to find and configure |
| 03:04.25 | Maliuta | liable_: during |
| 03:04.30 | Azar | miki try this: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 03:04.40 | Maliuta | liable_: My hand compiled kernels work with the card |
| 03:04.54 | Maliuta | liable_: I only have this issue when I try to install |
| 03:05.17 | miki | Azar: before attempting to install, i should check that "new hardware" instead first |
| 03:05.21 | liable_ | Maliuta: ok, you just threw me with thew lilo comment thats all |
| 03:05.39 | Maliuta | liable_: and I have to reinstall because I needed to pull a disk, destroying the LVM |
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| 03:05.51 | Maliuta | liable_: DI does use lilo :) |
| 03:05.56 | dsethw | when I run time --output=time.txt I get "-bash: --output=time.txt: command not found". How do I get time to redirect output to a file? |
| 03:06.20 | liable_ | Maliuta: yes, but how does one pass options to a program that isnt installed yet? |
| 03:06.33 | Azar | miki scroll down and read after Linux Kernel 2.6 here: http://steve-parker.org/speedtouchconf/ |
| 03:06.55 | Maliuta | liable_: It's a boot loader, it is on the CD/DVD and you can pass options at boot time :) |
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| 03:07.02 | Maliuta | with a keyboard even :) |
| 03:07.59 | liable_ | Maliuta: right, stop confusing me then :) say, pass the install disk options. :P |
| 03:08.28 | Maliuta | it's lilo :P |
| 03:08.44 | Maliuta | not li, not lo, not grub .... lilo :) |
| 03:09.14 | liable_ | anyway, i have no idea :) |
| 03:09.32 | miki | Azar: it links to sourceforge ite, and http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ says that im using uhci-hce, usb-uhci now |
| 03:09.50 | miki | i guess that uhci is default |
| 03:09.57 | Azar | miki on ethernet line does not mention what is using? |
| 03:10.28 | Azar | miki those usb modules came as default I do not remember what for they are |
| 03:11.06 | Maliuta | should dig out AJ's number and ring him. I'm sure he owes me a favour for not visiting me while I was sick |
| 03:11.07 | Maliuta | :) |
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| 03:11.27 | Azar | miki look here for Debian (among other distros) http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/speedtouch/speedtouch/INSTALL?rev=HEAD |
| 03:11.49 | miki | Azar: i got configuration and firmware alr4eady in good place, maybe i need to "install it" |
| 03:11.55 | miki | it was working on 2.4.27 |
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| 03:12.14 | Azar | miki try then : dpkg -i (downloaded package.deb) |
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| 03:12.30 | miki | ill brb heh |
| 03:12.37 | coywolf | how to record sound? what good tools? |
| 03:12.54 | liable_ | sox?? |
| 03:12.54 | dvm1981 | coywolf: An micro lol |
| 03:12.57 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.57 | Red_Cloud | length and longer salt strings. |
| 03:13.17 | coywolf | dvm1981, what good software? |
| 03:13.26 | coywolf | liable, i'll try sox |
| 03:13.36 | Rug | should I be able to find error messages and resons why my box keeps locking up in /var/log/messages ?? |
| 03:14.09 | dvm1981 | coywolf: 'rec foo.wav' and LOL hard ;-) |
| 03:14.28 | dvm1981 | coywolf: ctrl+c to stop |
| 03:14.37 | coywolf | !find rec |
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| 03:15.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rec' (8 of 62): (/usr/bin/brec) in sound/bplay ;; (/usr/bin/aerect) in devel/aegis ;; (/usr/bin/aurecord) in sound/nas-bin ;; (/usr/bin/adrec) in sound/sphinx2-bin ;; (/usr/bin/artsrec) in libs/libarts1c2a ;; (/sbin/gnbd_recvd) in admin/gnbd-client ;; (/usr/bin/c2faxrecv) in comm/capi4hylafax ;; (/usr/bin/DBDirect) in devel/haskelldb-bin. |
| 03:15.00 | coywolf | can I let mplayer play and at the same time store? |
| 03:15.18 | chealer | Rug: if you coded a magically-explain-and-succeed-to-log-all-issues, sure. otherwise, possibly |
| 03:15.31 | chealer | coywolf: ask #mplayer |
| 03:15.36 | coywolf | dvm1981, which package contains rec |
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| 03:15.40 | Rug | chealer: Thanks. |
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| 03:17.09 | dvm1981 | coywolf: I not remember, i search it. But not know how to search that :-/ Someone tips? |
| 03:17.43 | bruno | dpkg -L rec? |
| 03:17.43 | dpkg | No packages found matching rec |
| 03:18.02 | bruno | dpkg -S rec, sorry. |
| 03:18.02 | dpkg | There is no record of a rec, sorry. package |
| 03:18.13 | dvm1981 | nope |
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| 03:18.52 | tim_flatus | coywolf, arecord brec ecasound gnome-sound-recorder gramofile record sound-recorder timemachine ardour audacity ... want more? |
| 03:19.00 | dvm1981 | I not know how to look whick application are part from which package. |
| 03:19.39 | coywolf | tim_flatus, too much, i want only one, a best one |
| 03:19.55 | tim_flatus | coywolf, ardour then |
| 03:19.55 | coywolf | tim_flatus, ok, i have gnome-sound-recorder |
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| 03:19.58 | mne | hi. I want to add a script to mkinitrd. The script should load a different keymap at boot-time. It there a way so that automatically generated mkinitrd images still contain the script ? |
| 03:20.23 | adrakoa | do somebody have this problem with /usr/bin/startx: 154: arith: syntax error: "dummy+1" |
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| 03:24.21 | Azar | dpkg test |
| 03:24.21 | dpkg | Yes, azar, you're still online. |
| 03:24.25 | Azar | thank you |
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| 03:24.54 | mne | can grub load another keymap for me ? |
| 03:25.30 | unity | hello, i am having this problem where when i am trying to download a torrent with files in it that have japanese chars in their filenames, sometimes btlaunchmanycurses says that the file has errors in it |
| 03:25.38 | coywolf | tim_flatus, which tool can be used when realplayer is using /dev/dsp |
| 03:25.54 | unity | are there any other command-line bittorrent clients that can handle various filename encodings well? |
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| 03:26.57 | tim_flatus | coywolf, no idea offhand. It is possible, but may take some work. |
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| 03:29.26 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
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| 03:29.40 | dvm1981 | coywolf: Using an sound card that could use 'multiplexing'?? |
| 03:29.58 | dvm1981 | coywolf: It's not the right word i think ^^ |
| 03:30.20 | tim_flatus | dvm1981, would that not require jackd? |
| 03:30.57 | dvm1981 | tim_flatus: Not especially it think, just not have an cheap sound card, that 70% sure |
| 03:31.02 | cleit0n | i my sid update x and GDM dont execute.. but startx work.. how i do |
| 03:31.06 | Rug | Is there a command that will syncronize two dir's? |
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| 03:31.53 | chealer | Rug: probably rsync |
| 03:32.09 | Rug | chealer: I only need it for 2 local dir's |
| 03:32.24 | dvm1981 | Rug: idem |
| 03:32.31 | Rug | dvm1981: thanks |
| 03:32.55 | dvm1981 | Rug: lol it's chealer to thanks to ;-) |
| 03:33.17 | dvm1981 | !beer chealer |
| 03:33.31 | dvm1981 | its 05:34 am here :-) drinking beer on that hour :-) |
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| 03:34.10 | chealer | dvm1981: no no, *you* deserve it! |
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| 03:34.42 | dvm1981 | Everyone here deserve it here :-) |
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| 03:35.10 | BlackDragon42 | Does anyone know how to get MIDI to work on an onboard VIA82xx sound system? |
| 03:35.19 | miki | so modconf did nothing for me |
| 03:35.19 | dvm1981 | miki: done? |
| 03:35.29 | dvm1981 | miki: shit :-/ |
| 03:35.30 | miki | lspci aint working under 2.6.8 |
| 03:35.40 | tim_flatus | BlackDragon42, probably need to configure mpu401 |
| 03:35.44 | cleit0n | hi.. startx dont execute window manager.. why? |
| 03:35.53 | BlackDragon42 | Where? |
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| 03:36.15 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: No one defined i guess |
| 03:36.16 | liable_ | cleit0n: try startx gnome-session or something |
| 03:36.17 | miki | maybe i should config my AGP under 2.4.27 instead? |
| 03:36.20 | kronoz | how are gdm themes installed? |
| 03:36.20 | tim_flatus | Black /etc/modutils/sound |
| 03:36.36 | tim_flatus | BlackDragon42, ^ |
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| 03:36.55 | dvm1981 | kronoz: What mean you? |
| 03:37.11 | cleit0n | liable_: dont have gnome |
| 03:37.28 | tim_flatus | BlackDragon42, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ |
| 03:37.29 | miki | anyone can help me with bulding agpgart and via agp modules under 2.4.27? |
| 03:37.56 | cleit0n | liable_: startx kde-session dont work |
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| 03:38.08 | liable_ | cleit0n: startx startkde |
| 03:38.11 | kronoz | dvm1981: like how would I use a gdm theme i downloaded from gnome-look.org |
| 03:38.16 | dvm1981 | miki: Is 'lspci' not working with the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 03:38.28 | miki | no effect when im typing |
| 03:38.36 | madjestic | hi, I have just installed debian64 and ran system monitor. It sais that I've got only 2.9Gigs of RAM while I know that I've got 4Gigs. Bios also sais that there are 4Gigs of physical RAM but only 3Gigs is usable. Is it normal or I can make debain to use all 4Gigs somehow? Thanks |
| 03:38.59 | dvm1981 | miki: There is an problem :-( |
| 03:39.09 | BlackDragon42 | Well, I checked in modconf, and mpu401 is an installed mod. |
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| 03:39.18 | cleit0n | liable_: Type xterm -help for a full description. |
| 03:39.29 | miki | also, modconf got speedtch driver |
| 03:39.31 | cleit0n | liable_: start and back console |
| 03:39.43 | miki | but my 2.4.27 loads speedtch and speedtouch |
| 03:39.47 | tim_flatus | BlackDragon42, ok. Good. |
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| 03:39.58 | soulse- | damog: ping |
| 03:40.06 | miki | id rather make modules for agpgart and cia agp.... |
| 03:40.10 | BlackDragon42 | Checking... |
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| 03:40.30 | miki | (btw my provider picked that modem so ppl wont use linux) |
| 03:41.09 | liable_ | bastard |
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| 03:41.31 | tim_flatus | miki, liable, yup. |
| 03:41.34 | dvm1981 | miki: Ask for an change, ASK hem that you need an modem with an RJ45 entry, so that you not use it as an USB thing but like an network card. Normally he must have that |
| 03:41.58 | miki | this modem is free, every other costs |
| 03:42.09 | miki | they could pick better one as free but of course they wont |
| 03:42.09 | dvm1981 | miki: Tell him that you need an modem without USB! |
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| 03:42.53 | elPepo | please, How do I choose just one language when I am trying with: ffmpeg -target vcd ? |
| 03:42.53 | miki | yeah, but sience i got it to work under 2.4.27 its not that bad |
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| 03:43.02 | dvm1981 | miki: I have chance, my ISP have give my an modem with USB an RJ45. So i have the choixe |
| 03:43.08 | miki | it took me alot of time, but i made it |
| 03:43.14 | w3rdn4 | Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'. done. |
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| 03:43.41 | w3rdn4 | I just took out my old soundcard and put a new one in then ran alsaconf this is what it gives me |
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| 03:44.00 | tim_flatus | w3rdn4, what soundcard? |
| 03:44.21 | w3rdn4 | soundblaster audigy se |
| 03:44.35 | dvm1981 | miki: Talk to you're ISP, if he are good he change that crap with an better one |
| 03:44.37 | tim_flatus | hmm |
| 03:44.41 | w3rdn4 | alsaconf finds the chipset, but when I click ok it gives me that message |
| 03:44.56 | miki | aight, how about i will continue with 2.4.27 :) |
| 03:45.16 | miki | dvm1981: my ISP is worst ISP in world, and they dont care |
| 03:45.25 | miki | they would response with: please install windows |
| 03:45.32 | Rug | Does Sarge support filesystem: XFS ? |
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| 03:45.41 | dvm1981 | miki: CHANGE of ISP |
| 03:45.51 | miki | not possible, monopoly |
| 03:45.52 | dvm1981 | miki: I know, if you can |
| 03:46.01 | miki | see how my ISP is bad? |
| 03:46.09 | dvm1981 | miki: I not know how it's work in Poland :-/ |
| 03:46.09 | cast | Rug: well there's a /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.o in my install |
| 03:46.10 | tim_flatus | Rug, of course. |
| 03:46.13 | miki | i can only get radio-internet or that ISP |
| 03:46.19 | w3rdn4 | any ideas tim_flatus ? |
| 03:46.21 | Rug | Thanks folks.. |
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| 03:46.37 | dvm1981 | miki: Or can you buy one? One with RJ45?? |
| 03:46.54 | Rug | I was about to nuke a box and put sarge on there, I wanted to make sure that the HD's existing filesystem would work. |
| 03:47.00 | dvm1981 | miki: I know also, money, money, money ... |
| 03:47.37 | shogunx | miki is your device using pppoa or pppoe? |
| 03:47.38 | miki | when 'communism' was destroyed here, "secret agents" started privatisation, and our ISP is effect of that privatisation |
| 03:47.44 | damog | soulse-: pong |
| 03:47.54 | miki | owned of TPSA(my provider) got 5 billion $$$ and he dont care about anything |
| 03:47.59 | miki | owner* |
| 03:48.07 | miki | we got highest phone prices etc :) |
| 03:48.17 | tim_flatus | w3rdn4, sorry, I am not great with hardware stuff. :| |
| 03:48.35 | dvm1981 | miki: Yes we know how that goes :-( |
| 03:48.38 | miki | shogun: i dont know |
| 03:49.03 | miki | can i check now? wich one im using? |
| 03:49.15 | Azar | hehe an ABC in Regular Expressions for whomever wants to indulge: http://www.linuxforums.org/applications/demystifying_regular_expressions.html |
| 03:49.23 | Azar | how is going, miki? |
| 03:49.24 | Rug | G'night all. Thanks for your help |
| 03:49.36 | miki | Azar: not good, lspci command aint working |
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| 03:49.50 | Azar | miki brrrrr, horrible |
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| 03:50.17 | miki | shogun: all i get is pppoatm |
| 03:50.24 | Azar | horror stories, I wonder how it came down to that |
| 03:51.05 | bap | apt-get install pciutils? |
| 03:51.22 | shogunx | miki is that what the docs on your modem say it supports? |
| 03:51.28 | shogunx | pppoa? |
| 03:51.37 | Azar | miki you are using grub I have no idea how that boots your system in which kernel, how come you can flip flop them kernels , in a word: weird |
| 03:51.44 | miki | my modem came without docs :) |
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| 03:52.36 | shogunx | miki what does the internet say? google, alcatels' site, etc? |
| 03:52.48 | miki | sec |
| 03:53.06 | shogunx | miki a problem device like that can be worked around, like using a differnet device witht he same settings. |
| 03:53.07 | dvm1981 | shogunx: It's an thompson one now an speedtouch330 |
| 03:53.09 | _BlackDragon42 | Sorry, my computer took a dump. It completely locked up. |
| 03:53.12 | Azar | shogunx: it says to downloadthe .deb installer from sourceforge then install it and configure it |
| 03:53.29 | Azar | miki I gave you that link to that howto earlier |
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| 03:54.28 | tim_flatus | w3rdn4, have you tried Doing: /usr/sbin/alsactl store And then: /usr/sbin/alsactl restore? |
| 03:54.34 | Azar | http://steve-parker.org/speedtouchconf/ |
| 03:54.44 | shogunx | Azar if its pppoa, is that built into his kernel? iirc, there is a confilt between pppoe and pppoa in the kernel... one of the other, and the default is usually pppoe. |
| 03:54.55 | tim_flatus | w3rdn4, and does it show on lspci? |
| 03:55.15 | Azar | shogunx: right I never tried configuring ppowhatever, so I am kind in the dark there |
| 03:55.47 | miki | Azar: iwas using sourceforge howto when i was installing it under 2.4.27 and it didnt work |
| 03:55.48 | dvm1981 | miki: shogunx It's support the both http://www.speedtouch.com/prod330.htm |
| 03:55.51 | shogunx | Azar i remember the bad old days getting a rh5.2 box on the network via a speedtouch usb stingray POS> |
| 03:55.58 | _BlackDragon42 | Anyways, I'm still checking to see if MIDI is working. |
| 03:56.00 | w3rdn4 | yes as Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
| 03:56.32 | Azar | shogunx: I take it miki has very small resources where he lives and he has to work the drivers and configurations the old fashion hard way |
| 03:57.01 | miki | it works under 2.4.27 with PPPoATM, and i gto same under 2.6.8 so tis now PPP |
| 03:57.12 | shogunx | Azar the digital divide is just starting to cross there;) |
| 03:57.51 | Azar | shogunx: I don't blame them, everyone with what has and can, luckily Debian is flexible and can be made to work with any stuff |
| 03:57.55 | shogunx | miki so your kernel is built to support pppoa? is this the signal your provider is sending you? |
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| 03:58.08 | miki | Azar: actually i can buy ethernet adapter, but first: shops are closed for few days now, second: i know that i can get it to work |
| 03:58.09 | cleit0n | hi any help me with new xorg please... startx dont start window manager |
| 03:58.13 | shogunx | Azar yep. my first debian server went online on a dialup. |
| 03:58.15 | w3rdn4 | tim_flatus, I tried the store and restore says card not found :( |
| 03:58.16 | tim_flatus | _BlackDragon42, is module snd_seq loaded? |
| 03:58.16 | MajinChewY | can someone tell me the default web directory for apache2 |
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| 03:59.04 | Azar | miki then you can hold and idle on 2.4.27 until you can get an ethernet or something, but I do not know if you can find an ISP with broadband at convenient price there |
| 03:59.05 | miki | shogunx: when im trying to lauch my internet connection it shows that its using PPPoA but then it says: error, no USB device found |
| 03:59.19 | miki | also modem lights with green diodes under 2.4.27 but its |
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| 03:59.29 | Marshmellow | hey guys, i executed "apt-get install apache" then "apat-get install php4" then went into httpd.conf and uncommented the php4 lines, but I can't open any PHP files. |
| 03:59.35 | miki | but nothing lights up under 2.6.8 |
| 03:59.35 | shogunx | miki do a lsusb. |
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| 04:00.02 | tim_flatus | w3rdn4, :( |
| 04:00.09 | shogunx | miki you boot 2.4.27, it works no problem... you boot 2.6.8, nothing? |
| 04:00.22 | miki | yeah |
| 04:00.41 | Marshmellow | any idea about my issue? |
| 04:00.46 | Azar | shogunx: maybe the 2.6 kernel treats the module for that device as obsolete, ignores it? |
| 04:00.47 | miki | afaik its USb problem |
| 04:00.48 | tim_flatus | _BlackDragon42, what sre you using to test? |
| 04:00.51 | Marshmellow | when i try to go to it it asks me to download the PHP lol |
| 04:01.07 | miki | Azar: no, it was same with 2.4.27 but i forgot how i made it to work |
| 04:01.40 | Azar | miki the last link I gave you gives instructions on how to configure it after installation.. |
| 04:01.42 | miki | Alcatel Telecom Speed Touch ISDN or ADSL Modem |
| 04:01.44 | Marshmellow | should i just install apache2? |
| 04:01.45 | _BlackDragon42 | I'm using just some MIDI files. |
| 04:01.49 | miki | mmm its alcatel not thomson wtf |
| 04:01.54 | shogunx | miki my best guess is that you need to load kernel modules for usb. |
| 04:01.56 | Azar | miki maybe is shut down, and you need to restart it? |
| 04:02.10 | dvm1981 | MajinChewY: /var/www/apache2-default/ |
| 04:02.17 | miki | Azar: i got it configured well, siece its using same old configuration as under 2.4.27 |
| 04:02.28 | chealer | Marshmellow: libapache-mod-php4, rather |
| 04:02.36 | Marshmellow | nah chealer |
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| 04:02.38 | Marshmellow | i already did that. |
| 04:02.43 | Marshmellow | and i tried restarting apache. |
| 04:02.44 | tim_flatus | _BlackDragon42, what cat to /dev/midi?-) or some application? |
| 04:02.45 | Azar | miki like shogunx said: you need to have loaded modules for that usb |
| 04:03.00 | miki | how can i load them? |
| 04:03.07 | Azar | shogunx: I googled hoping to find the name of that module for him... nothing |
| 04:03.08 | chealer | !tell Marshmellow about php wants me to download still |
| 04:03.28 | _BlackDragon42 | MIDI is still not playing. |
| 04:04.05 | Azar | miki however make notes this time so next time you upgrade the kernel , maybe next year you will know how to do it |
| 04:04.12 | tim_flatus | miki, I seem to remember having to do some awful workaround, like blacklisting it and them loading later in the boot sequence. |
| 04:04.28 | shogunx | miki does lsusb give you any output? |
| 04:05.00 | cleit0n | hi, help to start one windows manager in new X .. my x start no wm |
| 04:05.14 | Marshmellow | ah hey chealer, do i have to install php4-cgi? |
| 04:05.34 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: Install 'gdm', 'kdm' or 'xdm' or whatever?? |
| 04:05.45 | cleit0n | dvm1981: yes the 3 |
| 04:05.46 | shogunx | miki and also lsmod | grep usb does that show anything. |
| 04:06.06 | chealer | Marshmellow: shouldn't |
| 04:06.17 | miki | shogunx: ill brb |
| 04:06.22 | cleit0n | dvm1981: gdm or kdm dont start.. xdm startx but login dont open wm |
| 04:06.25 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: No best one of these, or if you want the 3 but you can not use it at the same time. So only install one at the same time |
| 04:06.25 | miki | going to check |
| 04:06.35 | shogunx | miki ok |
| 04:07.06 | unix_infidel | how do i decrease the font size in aterm? |
| 04:07.09 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: You have been 'KDE' or 'GNome' installed? |
| 04:07.11 | unix_infidel | i mean permanently? |
| 04:07.18 | cleit0n | dvm1981: i only have gdm, but dont work.. i install the others to test |
| 04:07.24 | cleit0n | dvm1981: KDE |
| 04:08.05 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: GDM work on KDE, but better to use the kdm then |
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| 04:08.17 | cleit0n | dvm1981: this not problem i think... my x was perfect.. when update crash |
| 04:08.34 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: If you install one of these above packages. X automaticaly start when you boot up |
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| 04:09.19 | tim_flatus | cleit0n, your problem is xorg, not the wm, surely? |
| 04:09.25 | cleit0n | dvm1981: i start whith /etc/init.d/dgm start or restart.. but dont work |
| 04:09.45 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: 'gdm' right?? |
| 04:09.52 | cleit0n | tim_flatus: i dont know.. is? |
| 04:10.01 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: Just an typo errno here above ? |
| 04:10.04 | cleit0n | dvm1981: right |
| 04:10.07 | Marshmellow | hey |
| 04:10.15 | Marshmellow | what happens if nothing is happenign when you do 'invoke-rc.d apache restart' |
| 04:10.17 | tim_flatus | cleitonI think so. |
| 04:10.20 | Marshmellow | i'm pretty sure it |
| 04:10.25 | Marshmellow | it isn't restarting lol |
| 04:10.30 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: Give it you're an error? Try to look also in the Xorg log |
| 04:10.52 | cleit0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.52 | cleit0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.52 | cleit0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.53 | cleit0n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:11.15 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: You need the x server?? |
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| 04:11.27 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: Is it been installed? |
| 04:11.33 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: moment |
| 04:11.41 | cleit0n | dvm1981: yes.. the x start, but dont start window manager |
| 04:11.41 | Marshmellow | so, any ideas? |
| 04:11.52 | unix_infidel | anyone know how i can decrease the font size on atemr? |
| 04:11.55 | tim_flatus | dvm1981, cleiton has Xorg 7 :) |
| 04:12.00 | cleit0n | dvm1981: yes i have kde install ok |
| 04:12.29 | tim_flatus | Imean, cleit0n |
| 04:12.29 | cleit0n | tim_flatus: yes.. i update my debian sid.. and this crash |
| 04:12.56 | cleit0n | :/ |
| 04:13.01 | cleit0n | help me |
| 04:13.07 | tim_flatus | cleit0n, two people had this yesterday. I think one got it working eventually. |
| 04:14.09 | cleit0n | tim_flatus: why can i do? |
| 04:14.15 | odla | unix_infidel: did you try man aterm already? |
| 04:14.35 | tim_flatus | cleit0n, no idea, I am running etch. |
| 04:14.39 | Marshmellow | so, anyone know why my apache isnt restarting? lol |
| 04:14.44 | Marshmellow | invoke-rc.d apache restart doesn't do anything. |
| 04:14.49 | Marshmellow | nor does stop, start |
| 04:14.51 | cleit0n | tim_flatus: etch is unstable? |
| 04:14.58 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: no |
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| 04:15.09 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: it's testing |
| 04:15.15 | tim_flatus | cleit0n, testing. |
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| 04:15.18 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: etch is testing |
| 04:15.23 | saik0 | Is there any way to reinstall all installed packages? |
| 04:15.24 | chealer | Marshmellow: is apache running? |
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| 04:15.33 | cleit0n | can i do use etch now? |
| 04:15.37 | _BlackDragon42 | No luck with my MIDI |
| 04:15.39 | _BlackDragon42 | . |
| 04:15.42 | dvm1981 | saik0: Format C: and reinstall lol ;-) |
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| 04:15.59 | cleit0n | dvm1981: can i do use etch now? |
| 04:16.04 | saik0 | dvm1981, C: ?!? |
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| 04:16.06 | `Lizzard`King` | hi, i keep getting a error when i try to start sshd about keys |
| 04:16.07 | tim_flatus | cleit0n, Xorg 6.9 works apart from glx |
| 04:16.31 | dvm1981 | saik0: Yes, i have been keep some old fucking bugs. You know the story i guess :-/ |
| 04:16.33 | cleit0n | tim_flatus: apart? dont understand this word |
| 04:16.56 | tim_flatus | cleit0n, but not |
| 04:17.03 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: If you're using sid now, it think it's not possible to go back, i'm not sure |
| 04:17.18 | pmiller9 | I just upgraded X (debian-sid) and now it says that it can't load the default fixed font... what's up? |
| 04:17.32 | Marshmellow | welp nevermind |
| 04:17.34 | Marshmellow | apache2 worked better. |
| 04:17.46 | cleit0n | dvm1981: really.. but dont have one solution? to my problem? |
| 04:18.11 | tim_flatus | dvm1981, I managed to downgrade out of a failed sarge->etch upgrade. |
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| 04:18.13 | dvm1981 | It's look that there are an user ^^ that talk about sid there |
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| 04:18.29 | Serial | what conf clock my debian system |
| 04:18.32 | sserer | What does this mean xinetd[2017]: START: auth pid=16495 from=xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 04:18.34 | miki | pff |
| 04:18.37 | miki | lsusb and lsmod not working |
| 04:18.41 | sserer | I got this from secure log |
| 04:18.47 | miki | my /proc/bus/usb/ is empty |
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| 04:18.54 | miki | but i found something |
| 04:18.55 | pmiller9 | what is the current version of xorg in debian-sid? |
| 04:19.01 | dvm1981 | tim_flatus: So it's been possible then, i not know |
| 04:19.14 | arthur | guys, which is the lightest MTA you recommend me? |
| 04:19.15 | dvm1981 | miki: Normal. Not? |
| 04:19.21 | shogunx | miki no output from lsmod? no /proc/bus/usb? you need the usb kernel modules for the latter. |
| 04:19.23 | Azar | miki the way you sound is like some rats ate round holes on your system |
| 04:19.23 | Serial | what conf body my sister |
| 04:19.26 | _BlackDragon42 | Nope, no luck. I'll just give up for now... |
| 04:19.32 | intx | has anyone here gotten debian sid to work with selinux? |
| 04:19.36 | intx | *sarge |
| 04:19.38 | miki | when im launching debian, on log screen i pressed shift+pgup few times to check things and |
| 04:19.55 | miki | USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver 2.2 |
| 04:19.55 | Serial | path_ :P |
| 04:19.56 | tim_flatus | dvm1981, if you are lucky it is possible to downgrade without having to reinstall. I think you have to use synaptic or aptitude in order to get away with it. |
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| 04:19.58 | Serial | weon :D |
| 04:19.59 | miki | usb [failed] |
| 04:20.03 | sserer | What does this mean xinetd[2017]: START: auth pid=16495 from=xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 04:20.04 | cleit0n | tim_flatus: can i do sid to etch? |
| 04:20.05 | Serial | damog re! |
| 04:20.07 | prudhvi | Serial, ? |
| 04:20.10 | miki | while under 2.4.27 it loads 1.1 and it works |
| 04:20.13 | path_ | serial xD |
| 04:20.14 | Serial | prudhvi hehehe |
| 04:20.24 | dvm1981 | cleit0n: Followed ^^ ?? |
| 04:20.30 | Serial | ^·^ |
| 04:20.34 | tim_flatus | cleit0n, I do not know. I never touch sid. |
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| 04:20.42 | shogunx | miki probably the wrong usb driver loading. from /etc/modules |
| 04:20.47 | Azar | miki, I guess you are missing a lot of stuff there: no lsusb, no lsmod.. man! |
| 04:20.53 | damog | Serial: Danke. |
| 04:20.56 | shogunx | miki there are a few for different chipsets. |
| 04:21.00 | dvm1981 | tim_flatus: I need to test it, i have the oportunity to do it here in virual machines. I make an note |
| 04:21.00 | Serial | :) |
| 04:21.14 | Serial | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 04:21.14 | Serial | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.34 | tim_flatus | cleit0n, it is not so far from etch ... maybe ? |
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| 04:22.07 | iceman | anything to be aware of to get 2 video card to run at same time ? |
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| 04:22.32 | dvm1981 | miki: I take back what i have say; there are been some file there in /proc/bus/usb/ here on my system |
| 04:22.38 | iceman | 2 monitors ... and one card a agp and second a pci |
| 04:22.48 | shogunx | iceman the xinerama howto is pretty comprehensive on that. |
| 04:22.56 | dev\null | right |
| 04:22.57 | riri | i just compiled and tried kernel 2.6.16.1, but when i restarted only my / partition appered, not the /boot or /root partitions. does anyone know what is wrong with the kernel? |
| 04:23.00 | miki | dvm1981: almost always there are some files there.. its my usb driver |
| 04:23.09 | pmiller9 | how do I downgrade from experimental to sid??? I can't boot X anymore, please help |
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| 04:23.18 | dvm1981 | fuck man |
| 04:23.32 | riri | fsck didn't work aswell |
| 04:23.36 | iceman | shogunx multi desktop .. on 2 cards ... got a link ? |
| 04:23.56 | shogunx | iceman hold on... just set up one myself. |
| 04:24.00 | dvm1981 | stop make noise guy! |
| 04:24.26 | dvm1981 | !ops -tjPeacher/#debian- abuse a bit here |
| 04:24.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: -tjPeacher/#debian- abuse a bit here |
| 04:24.28 | shogunx | iceman http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html applies to xorg also. |
| 04:24.30 | iceman | shogunx got the nvidia installed ... next the ati or a cirrius logic card ... |
| 04:24.32 | riri | i just compiled and tried kernel 2.6.16.1, but when i restarted only my / partition appered, not the /boot or /root partitions. does anyone know what is wrong with the kernel? |
| 04:24.43 | riri | fsck didn't work aswell |
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| 04:24.59 | shogunx | iceman essentially, its all in you X configuration. |
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| 04:25.23 | miki | so, is there any way to get different USb driver to load? |
| 04:25.41 | Serial | beatiful debian etch rules rules rules! |
| 04:25.52 | dvm1981 | miki: in 'modconf'?? |
| 04:25.56 | _BlackDragon42 | Does anyone know the easiest way to edit, compile, and install the kernel? |
| 04:25.59 | iceman | shogunx cool ... will have to try it .... might be nice to have 2x monitors :) |
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| 04:26.10 | dvm1981 | Serial: Nice you're happy with it |
| 04:26.22 | miki | dvm1981: when it asks about attributs, hould i left blank? |
| 04:26.24 | shogunx | miki its probably listed in /etc/modules |
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| 04:26.36 | tim_flatus | pmiller9, Xorg in sid is equally broken fyi |
| 04:26.47 | dvm1981 | miki: I not understand, sorry |
| 04:26.50 | stouset | Xorg in sid is seriously fubared :\ |
| 04:26.56 | stouset | All windows are opening maximized for me. |
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| 04:27.01 | shogunx | miki you just need the name of the correct module there. like ohci instead of uhci or so. |
| 04:27.05 | unstable | stouset: works great over here |
| 04:27.08 | Serial | :)********** |
| 04:27.10 | tim_flatus | _BlackDragon42, the debian way? |
| 04:27.28 | stouset | unstable: Firstly, I had to remove a patch and recompile the ati video driver, to use mergedfb. |
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| 04:27.30 | _BlackDragon42 | Yes, Debianized. |
| 04:27.31 | unstable | stouset: My xorg7 on sid is running as smooth as a chinese badger in the mountains |
| 04:27.44 | miki | shogunx: uhci is correct module =\ it loads with 2.4.27 |
| 04:27.49 | riri | blackdragon, u could try using apt-get. see the debian-reference from the debian documentation page |
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| 04:28.01 | shogunx | miki right. just specify the correct one. |
| 04:28.01 | phaedral | pardon the poll, but i'd appreciate hearing opinions about icecast and alternatives thereto for sarge... |
| 04:28.08 | tim_flatus | _BlackDragon42, I am new here it is something like |
| 04:28.10 | tim_flatus | !kp |
| 04:28.11 | dpkg | kp is, like, To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 04:28.12 | stouset | unstable: Consider yourself lucky. |
| 04:28.20 | unstable | phaedral: icecast is the best |
| 04:28.23 | unstable | !tell phaedral about popcon |
| 04:28.27 | phaedral | unstable: cool |
| 04:28.31 | riri | i just compiled and tried kernel 2.6.16.1, but when i restarted only my / partition appered, not the /boot or /root partitions. does anyone know what is wrong with the kernel? |
| 04:28.42 | phaedral | and, fyi, i've got popcon enabled ;) |
| 04:29.09 | phaedral | s/fyi/fwiw/ |
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| 04:29.13 | riri | q |
| 04:29.22 | unstable | tim_flatus: You can also message the bot, if you want to find out things in private(to keep clutter out of the channel) tim_flatus try to /msg dpkg help |
| 04:29.36 | phaedral | dpkg is the bomb; it's true |
| 04:29.39 | nse | my sound card just stopped workling properly. the volume is really low besides the fact that all my volume settings seems to be OK. everything was workinh just fine since the last boot. I didn't touch in anything, it just stopped working. my sound card is 'VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controll' |
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| 04:29.41 | tim_flatus | unstable, could you write a quick HOWTO? there are lots of folks who could use it. ;) |
| 04:29.43 | _BlackDragon42 | If you need the kernel-source package to do that, I could never get it, becase I am suffering from a Dialup Connection. |
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| 04:30.19 | _BlackDragon42 | It takes too darn long. |
| 04:31.09 | dvm1981 | tim_flatus: I think you need to know a bit about 'bloodbot' the bot that are used her |
| 04:31.15 | intx | anyone know which kernel module I need for a S3 Inc. 86c775/86c785? I can't seem to get it to display |
| 04:31.23 | tim_flatus | unstable, last comment was re: Xorg 7.0 |
| 04:31.27 | unstable | !blootbot |
| 04:31.27 | dpkg | it has been said that blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 04:31.30 | phaedral | is icecast a fairly straightforward setup? as in "apt-get install icecast" then point a browswer to it? |
| 04:31.40 | unstable | phaedral: not really |
| 04:31.40 | intx | well, it displays, but then it freezes.. |
| 04:31.44 | shogunx | intx try vesa in your X config. |
| 04:31.47 | unstable | !tell phaedral about docs |
| 04:31.59 | dvm1981 | unstable: right ;-0 mega typo errno |
| 04:32.01 | intx | shogunx: I'm not using X |
| 04:32.05 | phaedral | unstable: so i feared; will read at icecast.org in the morning |
| 04:32.25 | shogunx | intx oh, no console at all? try vesafb in the kernel. |
| 04:32.29 | phaedral | rock on, y'all |
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| 04:33.32 | intx | actually, it may have nothing to do with the video driver... I don't know.. I see it boot up, I see several lines of drivers and services loading, then it does a 'smooth scroll' (not sure how that's even possible) and then the display sort of freezes.. |
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| 04:33.45 | intx | sort of, because there's still a cursor, and my keyboard can move it |
| 04:33.54 | pmiller9 | how do I downgrade from experimental to sid??? I can't boot X anymore, please help |
| 04:34.38 | chealer | pmiller9: if you don't know about downgrading, you should just reinstall stable or testing |
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| 04:34.43 | shogunx | intx what does it hang on, and how patient have you been with it? |
| 04:34.44 | chealer | !tell pmiller9 about ep |
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| 04:35.03 | intx | shogunx: the cursor is in the left middle of the screen.. for over several minutes |
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| 04:35.21 | intx | and the 'smooth scroll'.. I have a feeling isn't supposed to happen. normally it scrolls per line.. but all of a sudden it scrolls per pixel |
| 04:35.36 | shogunx | intx like, have you let it run for several minutes incase something needs to time out? have you tried ctrl+c? |
| 04:35.43 | intx | yeah, tried both |
| 04:35.57 | BlackDragon42 | My computer froze, yet again. |
| 04:36.00 | shogunx | intx vesafb would be my next try, if i were you. |
| 04:36.20 | BlackDragon42 | Any help on the kernel problem? |
| 04:36.23 | shogunx | intx can you access the machine remotely? |
| 04:36.25 | pmiller9 | chealer isn't there an apt-get command? I don't want to manually download all the packages |
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| 04:37.22 | intx | I can ping it |
| 04:37.22 | odla | could you use pinning and set a higher priority for testing packages to downgrade? |
| 04:37.36 | shogunx | intx no ssh? |
| 04:37.40 | intx | can't ssh though.. but since the console semi-froze, i can't figure out why :P |
| 04:37.50 | intx | I can't switch to another tty either |
| 04:37.58 | chealer | pmiller9: APT had limited downgrading support. I won't help you with this though. the best thing I can do for you is stress again that unstable isn't for you. reinstall either stable or testing |
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| 04:38.05 | intx | ctrl-alt-delete seems to work though |
| 04:38.05 | chealer | pmiller9: s/had/has |
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| 04:38.26 | shogunx | intx have you tried passing init=1 to the kernel? |
| 04:38.44 | shogunx | so perhaps you get a single user login before the console dumps? |
| 04:38.59 | pmiller9 | chealer heh... is xorg7 in experimental or unstable? |
| 04:39.13 | odla | pmiller9: see topic |
| 04:39.41 | chealer | pmiller9: it's in both, AFAIK |
| 04:39.51 | pmiller9 | chealer ah.. are you running unstable? |
| 04:39.51 | intx | shogunx: hm, I should try that. by the way, this is with a newer kernel, I can still boot the machine with the older kernel and look at syslog |
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| 04:40.09 | chealer | pmiller9: no |
| 04:40.38 | nse | my sound card just stopped workling properly. the volume is really low besides the fact that all my volume settings seems to be OK. everything was workinh just fine since the last boot. I didn't touch in anything, it just stopped working. my sound card is 'VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controll' coould somebody help me? |
| 04:40.41 | pmiller9 | chealer xorg doesn't find the default font fixed... I have the xfonts- packages installed |
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| 04:41.14 | tim_flatus | odla, yes you can do that, but you need to understand how the system works. chealer? point is good. |
| 04:42.07 | shogunx | intx ahh. did you compile a framebuffer or so for the video card in that new kernel? |
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| 04:42.16 | odla | tim_flatus: what do you mean i 'need to understand how the system works."? |
| 04:43.20 | intx | shogunx: CONFIG_FB=yes |
| 04:43.40 | BlackDragon42 | nse, does your MIDI work on your sound card? |
| 04:43.41 | shogunx | intx and a card specific framebuffer? |
| 04:43.55 | tim_flatus | odla, I mean one does generally need to understand the apt system reasonably well before attempting something like a downgrade. I should be asleep btw. |
| 04:43.58 | shogunx | that might be what is borking your video. |
| 04:44.36 | odla | tim_flatus: sure...i'm not about to do a downgrade and i'm also not foolish enough to run unstable |
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| 04:45.13 | tim_flatus | odla, sounds like you know what you are doing then. :) |
| 04:45.21 | nse | BlackDragon42: it never did. is there a test os something i can do to certificate myself? |
| 04:45.43 | odla | tim_flatus: :) |
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| 04:48.00 | BlackDragon42 | nse, Do you have all of the proper modules installed? Did you check modconf to see if the via82xx and mpu401 mods are installed? |
| 04:48.10 | cast | anyone know any apps to do a 'all or nothing' cryptographic transform on a file? |
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| 04:49.26 | dvm1981 | nse: Have you reboot again? After have discover the problem. |
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| 04:50.49 | fc | hey |
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| 04:51.33 | fc | anyone running testing here? |
| 04:51.33 | fc | i just ran an apt-get update and the gnome packages are broken |
| 04:51.33 | fc | x crashed on me twice |
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| 04:51.36 | BlackDragon42 | nse, Did you check modconf? |
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| 04:52.29 | nse | BlackDragon42: that's what i'm trying to do.. |
| 04:53.01 | nse | BlackDragon42: actually modconf is not a valid command name so i'm not sure on what to do |
| 04:53.18 | Marshmellow | hey |
| 04:53.19 | BlackDragon42 | Are you root? |
| 04:53.25 | Marshmellow | is there any reports of apache slow downs? |
| 04:53.27 | Marshmellow | i mean like dramatically? |
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| 04:54.10 | nse | BlackDragon42: yes i am |
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| 04:54.44 | riri | i managed to fix my kernel, i had to change any hd |
| 04:55.10 | BlackDragon42 | Is that the account you are signed in as right now? |
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| 04:56.03 | riri | q |
| 04:56.20 | nse | BlackDragon42: no. i meant that i did modconf as root. i am signed as a normal user |
| 04:56.20 | m1ke_l | how come apt-get install xserver-xorg kde doesnt install afont server? |
| 04:56.23 | m1ke_l | am i missing something? |
| 04:56.31 | m1ke_l | X wont start for a lack of fonts |
| 04:56.34 | Dwonis | m1ke_l: why would you need a font server? |
| 04:56.48 | m1ke_l | beats me. |
| 04:56.49 | Dwonis | !tell m1ke_l about fixed |
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| 04:57.17 | m1ke_l | thanks dwonis...just found the xfonts-base. |
| 04:57.29 | Dwonis | m1ke_l: no problem |
| 04:57.32 | BlackDragon42 | Well, if you installed modconf, start a terminal and su to root and run it. /usr/sbin/modconf |
| 04:57.59 | nse | BlackDragon42: ok give me a sec |
| 04:58.05 | Marshmellow | hey |
| 04:58.17 | Marshmellow | what's the command to download from a remote ftp? |
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| 04:58.41 | Dwonis | Marshmellow: wget? ncftp? ftp? lftp? firefox? |
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| 04:59.15 | chris_ | hi |
| 04:59.20 | unstable | !greet chris_ |
| 04:59.20 | dpkg | Howdy, chris_ |
| 04:59.28 | nailosan | good evening all |
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| 04:59.38 | unstable | !greet nailosan |
| 04:59.38 | dpkg | Howdy, nailosan |
| 04:59.38 | chris_ | hi linux people |
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| 04:59.53 | m1ke_l | hi chris |
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| 04:59.59 | Marshmellow | uhh |
| 05:00.01 | Dwonis | !greet unstable |
| 05:00.01 | dpkg | Salutations, unstable |
| 05:00.02 | Marshmellow | using wget Dwonis |
| 05:00.09 | m1ke_l | is xf86config part of a package? |
| 05:00.13 | Marshmellow | i gotta login etc |
| 05:00.17 | Marshmellow | i just dont know how to do that part :P |
| 05:00.18 | Marshmellow | OH wait |
| 05:00.22 | Marshmellow | ftp:// |
| 05:00.35 | chris_ | hablan espanol |
| 05:00.40 | Marshmellow | its just how do i do the password? |
| 05:00.54 | Dwonis | !es |
| 05:00.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:00.57 | Marshmellow | ftp://user@host/ |
| 05:00.57 | chris_ | i kiding |
| 05:01.02 | Marshmellow | where does the password go? lol |
| 05:01.11 | chris_ | ok |
| 05:01.15 | chris_ | thanks |
| 05:01.17 | Dwonis | Marshmellow: wget --help | less |
| 05:01.21 | unstable | Marshmellow: ftp://username:password@ip:port |
| 05:01.37 | BlackDragon42 | nse, Any luck? |
| 05:01.46 | unstable | Marshmellow: ftp://username:password@ip:port/directory/to/get/animal_porn |
| 05:01.47 | Marshmellow | there we go! |
| 05:01.48 | Marshmellow | lol |
| 05:01.51 | Dwonis | heh |
| 05:01.59 | Dwonis | !mhallsmite unstable |
| 05:02.06 | Dwonis | bah, somebody needs to put that back |
| 05:02.12 | nse | BlackDragon42: wait... |
| 05:02.16 | simonrvn | @mhallsmite foo |
| 05:02.16 | nailosan | i am looking into getting starting with debian ... and i was wondering if i could get some pointers on where to get started? |
| 05:02.25 | m1ke_l | www.debian.org |
| 05:02.31 | Dwonis | ravenbird: yeah, something like that |
| 05:02.31 | ravenbird | Dwonis: wish i knew |
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| 05:03.00 | chris_ | i am new in linux |
| 05:03.08 | m1ke_l | chris: linux rocks. |
| 05:03.08 | Dwonis | ravenbird: are you a bot? |
| 05:03.08 | unstable | !tell nailosan about d-i |
| 05:03.10 | ravenbird | Dwonis: i don't know |
| 05:03.22 | chris_ | like to know install packages |
| 05:03.25 | Dwonis | ravenbird, are you a bot? is yes |
| 05:03.25 | ravenbird | i haven't a clue, Dwonis |
| 05:03.27 | chris_ | in gnulinux |
| 05:03.29 | unstable | !tell chris_ about install |
| 05:03.37 | simonrvn | @are you a bot is <reply>yes i am. ask me about <blootbot> |
| 05:03.40 | BlackDragon42 | Check kernel/sound/oss modules |
| 05:04.01 | Dwonis | simonrvn: heh |
| 05:04.04 | simonrvn | fuck, forgot about the is/are ... hmmm |
| 05:04.22 | nse | BlackDragon42: it seems that there are a lot of installed modules |
| 05:04.31 | simonrvn | that one i might have to hard code ... |
| 05:04.38 | simonrvn | (eew) |
| 05:04.39 | BlackDragon42 | Any examples? |
| 05:04.47 | Dwonis | !hardcodesmite simonrvn |
| 05:04.55 | Dwonis | bah... dpkg doesn't know anything ;) |
| 05:05.34 | simonrvn | !hardcodesmite $1 is <action>hard codes 127.0.0.1 as $1's IP address |
| 05:05.34 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 05:05.39 | BlackDragon42 | And check kernel/sound/pci |
| 05:05.40 | chris_ | what is the best distriburion os linux |
| 05:05.41 | BlackDragon42 | . |
| 05:05.43 | simonrvn | @hardcodesmite $1 is <action>hard codes 127.0.0.1 as $1's IP address |
| 05:05.44 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 05:05.45 | Gokee2_Laptop | anyone know how to convert a mov file into a mpg for dvdauthering? |
| 05:05.52 | Marshmellow | grr |
| 05:05.52 | Marshmellow | lol |
| 05:05.54 | cast | Gokee2_Laptop: mencoder |
| 05:05.57 | Marshmellow | my stuff still downloading slow |
| 05:06.13 | simonrvn | 'authoring' |
| 05:06.14 | BlackDragon42 | chris_, Debian is! |
| 05:06.24 | BlackDragon42 | LOL |
| 05:06.31 | m1ke_l | chris_ debian debian debian |
| 05:06.38 | m1ke_l | thats why you are here |
| 05:06.38 | Dwonis | !start a distro war |
| 05:06.39 | dpkg | Xandros owns! |
| 05:06.45 | chris_ | and debian packege have a interfaz |
| 05:06.47 | simonrvn | chris_: repeat after me, debian is cool |
| 05:06.51 | Gokee2_Laptop | cast, ok thanks I will apt-get that |
| 05:06.58 | chris_ | i am new |
| 05:07.06 | chris_ | have 1 month in this |
| 05:07.09 | chris_ | hahah |
| 05:07.17 | m1ke_l | debian install should take you about 20 minutes from blank to fully loaded. |
| 05:07.18 | Dwonis | Debian is obviously the best. What other distro lets you apt-get install gentoo ? |
| 05:07.22 | m1ke_l | how can you beat that? |
| 05:07.34 | chris_ | gentoo is the best |
| 05:07.38 | nse | BlackDragon42: one sec |
| 05:07.42 | Gokee2_Laptop | Dwonis, you can apt-get gentoo?? |
| 05:07.48 | cast | Gokee2_Laptop: might be better off going to mplayerhq.hu, quicktime codecs are going to be nonfree yo |
| 05:07.50 | Dwonis | Gokee2_Laptop: yes, but it's not what you think |
| 05:07.54 | chris_ | im tri to install a sppedtouch 330 in linux |
| 05:08.03 | m1ke_l | yes, apt-get install gentoo works. |
| 05:08.05 | Dwonis | !info gentoo |
| 05:08.06 | chris_ | but dont reconoce the usb port |
| 05:08.08 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.55-1 (sid), Packaged size: 771 kB, Installed size: 2444 kB |
| 05:08.16 | Dwonis | Gokee2_Laptop: ^^^ |
| 05:08.36 | Gokee2_Laptop | cast, hmm ok |
| 05:08.39 | cast | Gokee2_Laptop: you can run dpkg-buildpackge and create a .deb from that so you dont have to clutter your system with uninstalled crap |
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| 05:09.02 | nailosan | is there anywhere online where i can get good ONLINE TEXT or information |
| 05:09.05 | chris_ | iam use gadalinex |
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| 05:09.30 | m1ke_l | nailosan: on what? |
| 05:09.48 | nailosan | working with the linux OS or UNIX enviroments |
| 05:09.50 | Dwonis | !tell Gokee2_Laptop about marillat |
| 05:10.00 | chris_ | is a distribition of gnome |
| 05:10.05 | m1ke_l | http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz |
| 05:10.11 | nse | both the the via82xx and mpu401 are not installed |
| 05:10.41 | m1ke_l | is xf86config part of a package? |
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| 05:10.56 | nse | BlackDragon42: at least under the /kernel/sound/pci category |
| 05:10.56 | Dwonis | people still run xf86config? |
| 05:11.16 | unix_infidel | anyone know how i can change the font size in aterm? |
| 05:11.23 | m1ke_l | what is the xorg equivilant? |
| 05:11.27 | m1ke_l | xorgconfig? |
| 05:11.33 | Dwonis | m1ke_l: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:11.42 | m1ke_l | thanks again! |
| 05:11.44 | BlackDragon42 | How about under kernel/sound/oss? |
| 05:11.47 | chris_ | what is the opinion of fedora core 5 |
| 05:11.58 | Dwonis | !fc5 |
| 05:12.04 | Dwonis | !fedora core |
| 05:12.11 | Dwonis | !start a distro war |
| 05:12.11 | dpkg | MEPIS 0wnz! |
| 05:12.11 | simonrvn | chyou should make up your own mind about things |
| 05:12.22 | simonrvn | chris_: you should make up your own mind about things |
| 05:12.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | cast, how do I use mencoder? mencoder tocode.mov -o coded.mpg says No audio encoder (-oac) selected |
| 05:12.59 | chris_ | ___ |
| 05:13.13 | nse | BlackDragon42: yes there is a line there: kernel/sound/oss . |
| 05:13.35 | BlackDragon42 | Installed? |
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| 05:14.19 | chris_ | fedora core 5 is good |
| 05:14.43 | simonrvn | good for nothing |
| 05:14.49 | chris_ | jajaj |
| 05:14.52 | simonrvn | </countertroll> |
| 05:15.26 | chris_ | the top 5 of linux what you say simonrvn |
| 05:15.39 | nse | BlackDragon42: wait a sec, i'm just learnign how to be with modconf.. |
| 05:15.47 | chris_ | the best distributions |
| 05:15.55 | simonrvn | i have my own opinion. |
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| 05:16.50 | BlackDragon42 | Yeah, it took me awhile to understand modconf. It isn't one of the easiest utilities out there... |
| 05:17.48 | nse | BlackDragon42: ok now i'm doing fine. under kerel/sound/pci there just one module installed, snd-via82xx |
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| 05:18.20 | nse | BlackDragon42: which one was the other that i need to check? |
| 05:18.38 | BlackDragon42 | mpu401 |
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| 05:19.35 | rohan | what is the method to configure Xorg 7 on sid, "The Debian Way" (tm) ? |
| 05:19.39 | nse | in which category? |
| 05:20.24 | Dwonis | nse: I _think_ it's in "MIDI" or "sequencer" support somewhere |
| 05:20.30 | simonrvn | hint, modprobe -l | grep foo |
| 05:20.45 | simonrvn | (with 2.6 modprobe) |
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| 05:21.43 | m1ke_l | just installed kde on fresh debian install...kde fonts seem poor. |
| 05:21.49 | nse | BlackDragon42: i have just found mpu401 in kerel/sound/oss. it is installed now, may i chech the sound now? |
| 05:22.03 | BlackDragon42 | You could try it. |
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| 05:22.19 | Dwonis | m1ke_l: you might want ttf-bitstream-vera |
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| 05:22.29 | miki | awwwwwwwwww |
| 05:22.38 | miki | so modconf just killed usb support for me |
| 05:22.40 | tienchi | hi, how to install java develpment in debian??? |
| 05:22.40 | miki | in 2.4.27 too |
| 05:23.05 | nse | BlackDragon42: nothing changed |
| 05:23.15 | tienchi | please |
| 05:23.17 | Dwonis | miki: USB is overrated ;) |
| 05:23.26 | BlackDragon42 | Your sound is still low? |
| 05:23.41 | Dwonis | !java |
| 05:23.41 | dpkg | well, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 05:23.50 | Dwonis | tienchi: ^^^ |
| 05:23.56 | nse | BlackDragon42: yes it is. this is really strange, everything was working just fine, i can't understand.. |
| 05:24.19 | BlackDragon42 | Hmm... |
| 05:24.47 | nse | BlackDragon42: maybe any upgrade, i oftenly do dist-upgrade's withou concerning myself very much on what is beeing replaced |
| 05:24.57 | unstable | Installing Portage on Debian GNU/Hurd --> http://hurd.rustedhalo.net/gentoo-hurd-guides/install/multi-page/c72.html |
| 05:25.01 | unstable | lol, wow |
| 05:25.03 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 05:25.04 | dpkg | Progeny is lame! |
| 05:25.04 | tienchi | !install java |
| 05:25.04 | dpkg | well, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
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| 05:25.58 | tienchi | !java-package |
| 05:25.58 | dpkg | well, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 05:26.15 | Dwonis | tienchi: you can /msg dpkg so you don't flood the channel |
| 05:26.18 | simonrvn | !tell tienchi -about msg the bot |
| 05:26.19 | mne | is there a way to unmount /boot or to resize it with parted without unmounting it ? |
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| 05:26.38 | BlackDragon42 | I have done some upgrades, like the mount package, and I couldn't mount drives properly. |
| 05:26.41 | Dwonis | mne: umount /boot |
| 05:26.49 | tienchi | :D, thanks |
| 05:26.50 | BlackDragon42 | That could happen. |
| 05:27.00 | rohan | for a dhcp connection is this line, in /etc/network/interfaces correct ? "iface eth0 dhcp" ? |
| 05:27.04 | Dwonis | mne: I really wouldn't try resizing it without unmouning it |
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| 05:27.17 | Dwonis | mne: boot Knoppix (or some other live CD) and resize it there |
| 05:27.19 | mne | Dwonis, hehe. no, it's not that simple. it says that it is being used |
| 05:27.19 | simonrvn | rohan: should have an auto eth0 above it |
| 05:27.28 | nse | BlackDragon42: is there anything left for me to try? |
| 05:27.55 | rohan | simonrvn: oh, but i dont want to bring that interface up on bootup. do i still have that auto line ? |
| 05:27.57 | mne | Dwonis, I was hoping not to have to do that ;) |
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| 05:28.03 | Dwonis | mne: it's the easiest way |
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| 05:28.26 | simonrvn | rohan: comment it out then |
| 05:28.35 | mne | Dwonis, do you know if the debian netinstall has parted on it ? downloading knoppix would be a slipgt overkill |
| 05:28.43 | rohan | simonrvn: ok. its just "auto lo" now :) |
| 05:28.55 | Dwonis | mne: no idea. |
| 05:28.55 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:29.05 | BlackDragon42 | Did you try fiddling with the settings in the Control Center? |
| 05:29.21 | simonrvn | it has partman. it uses a small version of libparted, IIRC |
| 05:29.35 | Dwonis | mne: you could search the web for "linux rescue discs" and see what you come up with |
| 05:29.39 | simonrvn | BlackDragon42: eh? |
| 05:30.20 | mne | Dwonis, I'll do that, maybe theres a small iso or even a floppy for that ... (hmm, I'd need an iso anyway, I just remember not having a floppy drive :P) |
| 05:30.23 | rohan | also, what is the name of meta package to install qt4, such that i can compile qt4 programs ? and how do i "switch" to qt4 profile, and not qt3 ? like, by default, all programs will try to compile against qt3, right ? |
| 05:30.48 | Dwonis | mne: heh. this generation of kids will be saying "floppy disk, what's that?" |
| 05:30.48 | BlackDragon42 | If you use KDE. |
| 05:31.27 | mne | Dwonis, I guess so ;) And some years later they will say "cd-rom, what the hell was that ?" ;) |
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| 05:31.40 | simonrvn | oh my, aohell |
| 05:31.41 | nse | BlackDragon42: i use gnome |
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| 05:32.06 | Dwonis | bah, I tried to change my nick to netcraft, but apparently somebody is already using it |
| 05:32.25 | nse | gnome do not sucks |
| 05:32.54 | deadcat | it blows? |
| 05:33.07 | deadcat | Dwonis: fbpanel does (= |
| 05:33.18 | Dwonis | hgmm... |
| 05:33.27 | BlackDragon42 | There should be a Settings Menu for sound in Gnome. Usually, I use UWM |
| 05:33.32 | BlackDragon42 | . |
| 05:33.34 | deadcat | Dwonis: old screenshot http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20050521_17335.png |
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| 05:34.31 | Dwonis | deadcat: I can't view it right now. The Cat5 to my desktop machine broke today, so I'm on the console of my server box |
| 05:34.41 | deadcat | Dwonis: ah. |
| 05:34.51 | Dwonis | though I am beginning to like irssi |
| 05:34.53 | tienchi | hi, i apt-get, but E: Couldn't find package java-package? no exist this package?? |
| 05:35.06 | unstable | deadcat: That is a damn nice screenshot. |
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| 05:35.16 | deadcat | Dwonis: but ya. fbpanel does everything you might need. so dump gnome-panel (= |
| 05:35.24 | deadcat | unstable: that one is hella old. (= |
| 05:35.25 | unstable | deadcat: That is probably the best linux screenshot I've ever seen. |
| 05:35.35 | deadcat | unstable: the new openbox themes rock now. hehe |
| 05:35.38 | dvm1981 | tienchi: You need the marillat i guess |
| 05:35.39 | deadcat | unstable: thanks |
| 05:35.51 | BlackDragon42 | Check the Gnome menu. |
| 05:35.52 | Dwonis | dvm1981, tienchi: no, just contrib |
| 05:35.55 | tienchi | dvm1981, marillat??? |
| 05:36.01 | dfrey | I have noticed that if you do apt-cached show pkg, at the bottom there are tags listed. How can you search for packages that mactch a certain tag? |
| 05:36.06 | Dwonis | !tell tienchi about contrib |
| 05:36.09 | unstable | deadcat: Are those rss feeds clickable? |
| 05:36.14 | blujay | tienchi: try $ apt-cache search java-package |
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| 05:36.15 | dvm1981 | tienchi: ^^ But do also an search on marillat on the net. |
| 05:36.15 | unstable | Or is it just a cli rss feed with root-tail? |
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| 05:36.28 | dvm1981 | !tell tienchi about marillat |
| 05:36.32 | deadcat | unstable: no. those are using a script i wrote and via root-tail |
| 05:36.35 | blujay | "java-package" is actually in Debian itself |
| 05:36.54 | dvm1981 | tienchi: But also listen to Dwonis |
| 05:36.56 | deadcat | unstable: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/ROOT-TAIL |
| 05:37.18 | Dwonis | blujay: technically stuff in contrib isn't "in Debian", but I guess it is moreso than marillat |
| 05:37.18 | nse | by the way guys, i'm with a volume problem. it is really low, i don't know what happened. it just stopped working: via82xx - i was playing around a bit with modconf and alsaconf without any sucess |
| 05:37.31 | blujay | Dwonis: well I mean it's on the official Debian servers |
| 05:37.40 | blujay | dfrey: adept, for one, lets you do so |
| 05:37.42 | Dwonis | nse: turn up your hearing ;) |
| 05:37.54 | BlackDragon42 | VIA Sound chips suck! |
| 05:38.00 | Dwonis | VIA roxors |
| 05:38.10 | BlackDragon42 | Too many problems. |
| 05:38.11 | menko | hellooo, does anyone know a nice program for choosing icon themes that generates the needed theme files which contain the correct "Inherits=themedir" line? |
| 05:38.17 | blujay | dfrey: also $ apt-cache search debtags |
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| 05:38.21 | menko | er, I mean mouse cursor themes |
| 05:38.26 | Dwonis | BlackDragon42: but what _fun_ would computers be if they actually worked? |
| 05:38.37 | unstable | menko: I have no idea what that means. |
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| 05:38.46 | unstable | Dwonis: agreed |
| 05:38.48 | nse | what the fuck.... |
| 05:38.49 | unstable | !beer Dwonis |
| 05:38.52 | BlackDragon42 | True dat. True dat. |
| 05:38.53 | Dwonis | unstable: you can get X to use a different cursor font, apparently |
| 05:38.58 | menko | unstable: basically, a mouse theme chooser |
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| 05:39.08 | dfrey | blujay: I'll gice that a try |
| 05:39.09 | dfrey | thanks |
| 05:39.17 | unstable | menko: What desktop enviroment or window manager do you use? |
| 05:39.19 | Dwonis | heh. thanks unstable |
| 05:39.19 | nse | it just worked now! there was a low volume control in alsamixer... |
| 05:39.22 | menko | unstable: fluxbox |
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| 05:39.42 | unstable | menko: apt-get install kmousetool |
| 05:39.43 | unstable | lol |
| 05:39.48 | unstable | You'll have to load kde-libs |
| 05:39.55 | unstable | Which will slow your fast fluxbox system down. |
| 05:39.56 | Dwonis | !start a window manager war |
| 05:39.56 | dpkg | ratpoison blows! |
| 05:40.12 | deadcat | ratpoison KILLS |
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| 05:40.19 | Dwonis | dpkg: you suck |
| 05:40.19 | dpkg | Dream on, dwonis. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
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| 05:40.24 | menko | unstable: yeh I was hoping for a non kde program |
| 05:40.33 | unstable | menko: One does not exist. |
| 05:40.42 | unstable | menko: You should write one. |
| 05:40.48 | menko | unstable: and kmousetool apparentyl doesn't change the theme |
| 05:40.58 | menko | unstable: there were two which I could choose from when I used mandriva... |
| 05:40.58 | unstable | menko: no idea(I don't use a mouse) |
| 05:41.04 | menko | unstable: lol |
| 05:41.28 | BlackDragon42 | Well, ain't that a crock of crap. Usually alsamixer defaults to al least 50% volume. |
| 05:41.29 | unstable | (not kidding) |
| 05:41.51 | BlackDragon42 | MIDI still won't work for me... |
| 05:41.52 | nse | BlackDragon42: there was a volume controller in alsamixer called VIA DXS, it was not even appearing at the main window, i had to move to the left to see it. it was off, i turn it on: sound works now! |
| 05:41.54 | deadcat | this is my latest screenshot. i love the current themes: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060413_12247.jpg |
| 05:41.56 | unstable | menko: Do you remember the name of the program Mandriva used? |
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| 05:42.16 | BlackDragon42 | No MIDI still, though? |
| 05:42.24 | menko | unstable: yeh I still have them in my old flux menu, choose_cursor and gcursor |
| 05:42.48 | unstable | menko: not sure why they aren't in debian |
| 05:42.50 | nse | BlackDragon42: i don't. let me try it now, problem is were to find a mid. hehe |
| 05:43.08 | menko | unstable: I downloaded an ubuntu gcursor but it seems to only work for gnome now |
| 05:43.12 | nse | +spelling |
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| 05:44.11 | unstable | menko: xbase-clients: has /usr/bin/xcursorgen |
| 05:44.20 | unstable | (I don't know what that is.) |
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| 05:44.29 | simonrvn | that's to create cursors |
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| 05:44.49 | simonrvn | you want to set stuff in ~/.Xresources: |
| 05:44.49 | unstable | menko: I guess you are sol. |
| 05:44.59 | unstable | menko: You could just copy the binaries from Mandriva |
| 05:45.13 | menko | unstable: yeh I guess I'll try that |
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| 05:45.40 | unstable | menko: Or download the source and build yourself. http://www.gnomefiles.org/download.php?soft_id=109&where=http%3A%2F%2Fdownload.berlios.de%2Fgcursor-sharp%2FGCursor-sharp.tar.gz |
| 05:45.45 | Dwonis | unstable: heh... but doesn't that make you an evil software pirate? arr! |
| 05:46.26 | deadcat | you can change the mouse cursor via update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 05:46.28 | Dwonis | !rmssmite dwonis |
| 05:46.31 | BlackDragon42 | Hmm. |
| 05:46.36 | unstable | menko: If Ubuntu has it, most likely it's just a matter of time before it gets into unstable |
| 05:46.49 | nse | totem give me a "There is no plugin to handle this" with my .mid file |
| 05:46.50 | simonrvn | Xcursor.theme: foo[string]\nXcursor.core: no[boolean]\nXcursor.size: 24pt\nXcursor.dither: median[threshold/median/ordered/diffuse] |
| 05:47.09 | deadcat | which cursor? screenshot please. |
| 05:47.14 | menko | deadcat: yeh but that requires a theme file which has an theme include line, not all themes have that, and also that tool doesn't have preview |
| 05:47.27 | simonrvn | Xcursor.theme: ComixCursors-Orange-Small |
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| 05:47.53 | cast | debian doesn't include non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list by default right? |
| 05:48.02 | deadcat | no |
| 05:48.07 | unstable | cast: right |
| 05:48.38 | unstable | !non-free |
| 05:48.39 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 05:48.41 | Dwonis | cast: I think potato used to ask you, but I don't think it does that anymore |
| 05:48.46 | cast | excellent. |
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| 05:49.15 | Dwonis | hmm... can vrms sing the free software song yet? |
| 05:49.24 | cast | so it's perfectly fair to say that debian, barring deliberate modification to install non-free software, is 100% free? |
| 05:49.55 | Dwonis | cast: yes, except when mistakes are occasionally made |
| 05:50.00 | unstable | cast: economically yes |
| 05:50.05 | unstable | cast: It's not free(libre) |
| 05:50.06 | unstable | !libre |
| 05:50.43 | Dwonis | unstable: Official Debian is definitely supposed to be 100% free (libre). IIRC it's the first article in the Social Contract. |
| 05:50.53 | unstable | !libre |
| 05:50.54 | dpkg | from memory, libre is "Gratis versus Libre", the distinction between no cost and freedom, a distinction not made by the word free in the English language. |
| 05:50.57 | cast | unstable: really? what isn't free in main? |
| 05:51.18 | dvm1981 | So can i talk french here :-) |
| 05:51.19 | Marshmellow | !getty |
| 05:51.20 | cast | everytime i say free i mean in a free software context, btw |
| 05:51.20 | dpkg | [getty] the lead singer of Rush. No, wait! That's Geddy!, or what calls login |
| 05:51.26 | Marshmellow | lol |
| 05:51.48 | unstable | !floss |
| 05:51.48 | dpkg | i heard floss is Free/Libre/Open-Source Software, or FLOSS, is an alternative term for free software. It is used by those who wish to be inclusive or who do not want to take a side on whether "free software" or "open-source software" is a better term. Although neither side has shown much enthusiasm for the term "FLOSS". |
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| 05:52.24 | rohan | what the required fonts for X 7.0 on sid ? startx gives this error -- |
| 05:52.24 | rohan | Fatal server error: |
| 05:52.24 | rohan | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 05:52.55 | Dwonis | 'Joiin us noww and shaare the soooftware.. Yooooou'll be-e free haac-kers, yoooou'll be... freeee-eee-eee!' |
| 05:52.59 | deadcat | rohan: add the path to xorg.conf |
| 05:53.10 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.15 | rohan | deadcat: but dont i first need to install the fonts it needs ? |
| 05:53.18 | rohan | ah, ok. thanks ! |
| 05:53.32 | rohan | but no such directory |
| 05:53.37 | rohan | what pkg do i install ? |
| 05:53.37 | deadcat | i had that problem earlier when gravity told me to fix that |
| 05:53.53 | deadcat | xfont-base |
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| 05:53.58 | Dwonis | !tell rohan about fixed |
| 05:53.58 | deadcat | xfonts-base |
| 05:54.33 | rohan | wow, i must really ask dpkg first :D |
| 05:54.35 | unstable | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install xfonts-base |
| 05:54.36 | Drac[Server] | How does one unload a module? |
| 05:54.44 | unstable | !rmmod |
| 05:54.46 | rohan | dpkg: how many factoids do you have ? |
| 05:54.47 | deadcat | Drac[Server]: modprobe -r |
| 05:55.00 | rohan | Drac[Server]: modprobe -r module |
| 05:55.07 | rohan | unstable: do i really need to force install it / |
| 05:55.48 | Dwonis | dpkg, how many factoids do you have is <action>accidentally divides by zero |
| 05:55.49 | dpkg | Dwonis: okay |
| 05:55.55 | Dwonis | dpkg: how many factoids do you have? |
| 05:56.02 | Dwonis | rohan: there you go |
| 05:56.40 | unstable | !rmmod |
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| 05:56.57 | Inazad | How I can set a LAN ? |
| 05:57.16 | deadcat | Inazad: ifconfig or iwconfig |
| 05:57.25 | Drac[Server] | How do I remove a module from the list of modules? |
| 05:57.34 | deadcat | Drac[Server]: we told you |
| 05:57.40 | unstable | !rmmod |
| 05:57.40 | dpkg | [rmmod] a command you type in the terminal to remove a module from the Linux Kernel(ie your videocard module, or your sound module, etc.) |
| 05:58.04 | Drac[Server] | No... I mean permanently remove it, so that it can never be modprobed again.. |
| 05:58.16 | Drac[Server] | There's a list that tells where each module is located. |
| 05:58.20 | Drac[Server] | Where is this list? |
| 05:58.28 | jnc | oh |
| 05:58.31 | jnc | that list. |
| 05:58.40 | unstable | Drac[Server]: Check /etc/modules |
| 05:58.44 | Drac[Server] | Okay. |
| 05:58.52 | rohan | lol, Dwonis |
| 05:59.00 | deadcat | Drac[Server]: or the blacklist for udev/hotplug |
| 05:59.19 | deadcat | Drac[Server]: /etc/modules is LOAD module. but you can "-r modulename" i guess |
| 06:00.01 | Drac[Server] | Great... How do I remove the module path data? It still thinks my nvidia module exists, but it doesn't. It'll try to load and use it if I don't remove it from this list. |
| 06:00.12 | Drac[Server] | Somebody here must know where the list is... |
| 06:00.24 | jnc | Drac[Server]: 'depmod -ae' regenerates module info |
| 06:00.27 | unstable | There is a list? |
| 06:01.03 | Drac[Server] | How else would it know that "nvidia" is at /lib/modules/(kernel version/blah/blah/nvidia.ko? |
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| 06:01.41 | deadcat | Drac[Server]: man depmod or update-modules |
| 06:01.58 | unstable | Drac[Server]: as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall" |
| 06:02.26 | deadcat | if you use nvidia driver from nvidia, you pretty much on your own |
| 06:02.45 | unstable | !nvidia one liner |
| 06:02.45 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 06:07.03 | Drac[Server] | Thanks a lot. You fixed my broken driver problem! :D |
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| 06:11.10 | [AGS]Serialkille | hilla |
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| 06:12.39 | [AGS]Serialkille | i am lookign for a way to break a line into varibles. like if i had the line "Cat Chases dog" how would i go about making it var1 = cat var2 chases var3 dog ? |
| 06:13.01 | xsdg | Agrajag-: what language? |
| 06:13.19 | Dwonis | [AGS]Serialkille: http://www.zombo.com/ |
| 06:13.44 | [AGS]Serialkille | what is that? |
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| 06:14.53 | Dwonis | [AGS]Serialkille: it's the best I can do with the information you gave |
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| 06:16.05 | [AGS]Serialkille | ok then. If i do icfonfig eth0 how owuld i creat varibles from each item listed. like ip as varible subnet as varible and so on |
| 06:16.33 | deadcat | what lang? |
| 06:16.43 | [AGS]Serialkille | sh |
| 06:16.49 | deadcat | awk them |
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| 06:17.07 | [AGS]Serialkille | i was lookign at that, which is better awk gawk or sed? |
| 06:17.11 | deadcat | i think i have something like that let me check |
| 06:17.12 | Dwonis | [AGS]Serialkille: You'd be better off to use the output of "ip addr" |
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| 06:17.29 | Dwonis | [AGS]Serialkille: personally, I prefer perl for stuff like that |
| 06:17.32 | deadcat | but not all machines have ip though |
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| 06:18.20 | deadcat | ifconfig -a | awk '$4 == "HWaddr" {printf "%-21.20s : %s\n", $1, $5}' |
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| 06:19.31 | wookienz | hi, is there a copy command that discards the daata as it is copied - to use it as a speed test between two machines? |
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| 06:19.58 | Dwonis | wookienz: cat foo >/dev/null ? |
| 06:20.10 | dn4 | how do I get my kernel header files? |
| 06:20.30 | deadcat | dn4: stable or testing/unstable? |
| 06:20.37 | [AGS]Serialkille | deadcat : cool.. that works. See i have this really big command line that i want to put each part in varibles, i mean it is long. I need the varible to display it in php for a website. Thats why i am askign how to do this |
| 06:20.46 | deadcat | dn4: stable kernel-headers-`uname -r` testing/unstable linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 06:20.48 | Dwonis | wookienz: sdd -pg if=/dev/zero bs=16k | ssh foo@bar "cat >/dev/null" |
| 06:20.53 | wookienz | Dwonis, becoause the memory is severly limited to a meg i want to dump it as it comes in but want to see the speed. |
| 06:21.14 | wookienz | Dwonis, ...ill look into that |
| 06:21.25 | deadcat | [AGS]Serialkille: have you heard of sysinfo or whatever that php software does? it just reads files from /proc |
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| 06:22.14 | [AGS]Serialkille | i just pmed you the line |
| 06:23.00 | tienchi | somebody can tell me where(the path) is the file glib-2.0.pc? |
| 06:23.12 | deadcat | i didnt get shit |
| 06:23.13 | [AGS]Serialkille | deadcat : i sent it to you via pm. I only care abotu certain parts of this line |
| 06:23.17 | [AGS]Serialkille | humm |
| 06:23.17 | valdyn | !tell tienchi -about search |
| 06:23.35 | [AGS]Serialkille | that time? |
| 06:23.49 | [AGS]Serialkille | no |
| 06:23.55 | deadcat | nothing |
| 06:23.57 | [AGS]Serialkille | damn free net |
| 06:24.03 | deadcat | too long? |
| 06:24.11 | deadcat | pastebin or something |
| 06:24.56 | [AGS]Serialkille | no i havd to reg my name |
| 06:25.05 | [AGS]Serialkille | just resent it to you |
| 06:25.35 | valdyn | [AGS]Serialkille: if you do not register you cannot pm |
| 06:25.42 | [AGS]Serialkille | i di already |
| 06:25.46 | valdyn | [AGS]Serialkille: beside that its not the right way to paste stuff anyway |
| 06:25.53 | tienchi | valdyn, but i just want search a file.... |
| 06:26.01 | deadcat | i see |
| 06:26.02 | valdyn | tienchi: i know that |
| 06:26.09 | [AGS]Serialkille | so yea |
| 06:26.21 | valdyn | tienchi: maybe read the whole factoid, is that asked to much? |
| 06:26.32 | [AGS]Serialkille | each section i want to put in vars to use int the site |
| 06:27.30 | tienchi | valdyn, factoid? |
| 06:27.40 | valdyn | !tell tienchi -about search |
| 06:27.44 | valdyn | !factoid |
| 06:27.44 | dpkg | i guess factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
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| 06:29.50 | liable | heh, /me nervously waits for another xorg upgrade to finish. |
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| 06:30.59 | deadcat | liable: hehe. each update i consider good nice. since i am expecting the fonts and my mouse cursor theme to be fix |
| 06:31.04 | rohan | on sid, i just installed kde. it started all fine once, now everytime i start it, it hangs on the splash screen -- "Initializing System Services" |
| 06:31.09 | rohan | known problem ? |
| 06:31.24 | unstable | !tell rohan about bts |
| 06:31.27 | unstable | !tell rohan about unstable |
| 06:31.40 | rohan | i know that, unstable |
| 06:31.44 | rohan | 12:01 < rohan> known problem ? |
| 06:31.50 | liable | deadcat: yeah, this one should be good I hope. |
| 06:31.55 | deadcat | what the fuck is a music player daemon? hows taht diff from just mpg321? |
| 06:31.58 | unstable | rohan: look at the bts |
| 06:31.58 | valdyn | rohan: if you want to know if something is a known problem, you should read the bts |
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| 06:32.09 | unstable | deadcat: You mean moc(actually mocp) |
| 06:32.25 | unstable | deadcat: With mocp, I can kill X, and it still runs in the background, by default. |
| 06:32.27 | Cyis | anyone got a SATA drive? Looking to find some comments as to which are good or which to stay away from |
| 06:32.29 | Dwonis | deadcat, unstable: you mean mcop? |
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| 06:32.41 | unstable | Dwonis: Do I? |
| 06:32.48 | rohan | strange that it started up fine once .. now its crashing :S |
| 06:32.51 | valdyn | deadcat: it can have a GUI to be controlled and still keep playing when you quit that gui or X |
| 06:32.59 | unstable | rohan: That's why they call it unstable. |
| 06:33.03 | deadcat | unstable: i mean mpd, |
| 06:33.05 | unstable | rohan: Your system could be like that forever now. |
| 06:33.19 | valdyn | deadcat: so like screen mpg123, but supports having different frontends ) |
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| 06:33.23 | liable | at least no failed installs. brb |
| 06:33.25 | rohan | awww... no lo/ damn ! |
| 06:33.30 | unstable | lol |
| 06:33.31 | deadcat | unstable: Dwonis valdyn: well i use playmp3list in screen. so i dont see the diff. |
| 06:33.34 | unstable | nice definition valdyn |
| 06:33.58 | deadcat | valdyn: ya. but then you have to run a freakin deamon AND a client right? |
| 06:34.08 | valdyn | deadcat: yes |
| 06:34.10 | deadcat | damn |
| 06:34.16 | menko | lol, I compiled gcursor from source, and it doesn't work. The ubuntu compiled one does. |
| 06:34.18 | valdyn | deadcat: nothing wrong with that |
| 06:34.22 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:34.36 | Dwonis | Red_Cloud: everything you don't use |
| 06:34.45 | unstable | menko: That's probably because the ubuntu source, isn't the same as upstream(the original author's source) |
| 06:34.46 | Cyis | Red_Cloud: Disable everything, then enable just what you need |
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| 06:35.00 | unstable | menko: Just like debian packages aren't the same as upstream. |
| 06:35.04 | unstable | (always) |
| 06:35.10 | rohan | iface eth0 inet dhcp --> is this line correct ? |
| 06:35.12 | menko | unstable: I see |
| 06:35.21 | Dwonis | Red_Cloud: "lsof -i -n" is handy for seeing what ports are open |
| 06:35.23 | Dwonis | !open ports |
| 06:35.23 | dpkg | [open ports] netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 06:35.27 | Cyis | rohan: what's the man page say |
| 06:35.32 | unstable | rohan: Just type "dhclient eth0" |
| 06:35.32 | Dwonis | Red_Cloud: also what dpkg said |
| 06:36.06 | rohan | unstable: yes. but i want debian to "know" that i have eth0, so i can do "ifup eth0" and "ifdown eth0" |
| 06:36.09 | Red_Cloud | Dwonis and Cyis, there are so many services. I will check dpkg and lsof -i -n for starters. Thanks. |
| 06:36.09 | unstable | !tell Red_Cloud about selinux |
| 06:36.11 | valdyn | Dwonis: you run netstat -plunt and look for a) processes you dont need and b) process that are listening to 0.0.0.0 while you only need them in a restricted environment like 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:36.13 | unstable | !tell Red_Cloud about tripwire |
| 06:36.15 | dn4 | I am installed debian testing/main on a demudi kernel |
| 06:36.19 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: you run netstat -plunt and look for a) processes you dont need and b) process that are listening to 0.0.0.0 while you only need them in a restricted environment like 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:36.46 | Cyis | I'd look into selinux but what I had read so far I'd have more trouble with it than without it |
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| 06:37.11 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: or you use bastille and come back when you locked yourself out of your system, always fun ;) |
| 06:37.12 | unstable | !tell Red_Cloud about snort |
| 06:37.18 | unstable | !tell Red_Cloud about iptables |
| 06:37.19 | unstable | heh |
| 06:37.31 | unstable | iptables / snort / selinux / tripwire is all you need. |
| 06:37.58 | Dwonis | unstable: that seems like overkill for a desktop machine |
| 06:38.07 | Dwonis | Red_Cloud: what you need is common sense and BACKUPS |
| 06:38.08 | valdyn | i think these ( admittedly nice ) tools are overkill probably for his home system |
| 06:38.26 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, I have installed bastille and configured it. My distro is Etch and there are so many error messages in log that I am fairly certain that bastille wil not help me much. |
| 06:38.32 | Cyis | valdyn: I'd agree |
| 06:38.39 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: that is what im saying |
| 06:38.39 | TiMiDo | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! any ideas? |
| 06:38.54 | aidan | !tell aidan about snort |
| 06:38.55 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: you can do all you need _without_ using any hardening tool |
| 06:38.56 | Red_Cloud | unstable I use snort and iptables with a gui |
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| 06:39.03 | unstable | Red_Cloud: really what gui? |
| 06:39.04 | hoodlum | hai2u |
| 06:39.08 | Dwonis | !tell aidan about msg the bot |
| 06:39.08 | unstable | Red_Cloud: Or was that a question? |
| 06:39.22 | cast | Dwonis: that's not what ports are open, but what connects are surely? |
| 06:39.26 | Cyis | TimeRider: couple of things... 1) mysql could not be running; or 2) could not be using the socket |
| 06:39.36 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: and hardening tools are particularily useless if you are on a system with only 1 real user or only trusted users |
| 06:40.02 | Dwonis | cast: I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I *think* I agree. But, if you cover the open ports, you'll cover whatever you were talking about... I think |
| 06:40.05 | aidan | Dwonis: oops, sorry |
| 06:40.16 | unstable | Red_Cloud: yea, your system is _hard_ by default.(not as hard as if you used woody) but still pretty hard. |
| 06:40.27 | Dwonis | aidan: not a big deal; just wanted you to know that you _can_ |
| 06:40.32 | unstable | Red_Cloud: Don't do anything, just enjoy the system(don't make it too hard though) |
| 06:40.34 | aidan | thanks :) |
| 06:40.39 | liable | not as hard as a woody? |
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| 06:40.45 | Dwonis | egad |
| 06:40.51 | cast | Dwonis: ahh, well lsof -i -n wont for example list that there is a smtpd listening on 25, it'll only list the current connections [so if there is something currently connected to your smtpd itll list it..] |
| 06:40.55 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, I have started with passwording bios and turning off floppy and rom at boot. Then I checked my MD5 encrypting status of my passwords. Configured my partitions so that areas are fairly separated and now I am down to disabling services |
| 06:40.56 | dark_light | how can i see what files were installed by a package? |
| 06:41.05 | Dwonis | cast: um... it will... |
| 06:41.18 | Dwonis | cast: lsof -i -n | grep LISTEN |
| 06:41.27 | Dwonis | cast: but that doesn't cover udp |
| 06:41.28 | unstable | !tell Red_Cloud about apt-secure |
| 06:41.39 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: passwording the bios isnt particularily useful |
| 06:41.40 | unstable | dark_light: dpkg -L package |
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| 06:41.44 | rohan | Dwonis: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 06:41.45 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: but it doesnt hurt i suppose |
| 06:41.50 | dark_light | unstable, thank you |
| 06:41.58 | Dwonis | rohan: ?\ |
| 06:42.01 | liable | dark_light: dpkg -S foo |
| 06:42.07 | rohan | Dwonis: srry |
| 06:42.12 | Cyis | Physical secruity is the hardest to do short of putting the machine in a secured vault |
| 06:42.12 | rohan | dark_light: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 06:42.22 | Dwonis | rohan: though it _is_ useful information... |
| 06:42.23 | cast | Dwonis: ahh my bad. was running lsof as not root |
| 06:42.28 | rohan | Dwonis: :) |
| 06:42.30 | Dwonis | cast: ah, yes. |
| 06:42.45 | Dwonis | cast: admittedly, netstat -plunt is probably better, but I'm accustomed to lsof |
| 06:42.53 | rohan | Dwonis: i am a sufferer of TCS == tab completion syndrome |
| 06:42.54 | Dwonis | frankly, I use nmap from a remote machine to be *really* sure |
| 06:43.06 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, I absolutely love firewalls and system security packages. That is my hobby and I learn more about my OS than any other method. Of course I bind up my system at times, |
| 06:43.43 | Dwonis | rohan: heh. so am I. It's funny when non-*nix users see me type, because they get the impression that I'm typing a _lot_ faster than I really am |
| 06:43.52 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: that's fine, however just note that there's few things a firewall can do for an individual box that you cannot do without one |
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| 06:44.39 | Dwonis | firewalls are workarounds for shitty software |
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| 06:45.00 | rohan | Dwonis: hehe same here :) |
| 06:45.01 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, with Linux I believe that you are correct. I was weined on Microsoft though. |
| 06:45.24 | Red_Cloud | Dwonis, bingo! |
| 06:45.34 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: oh that is the same on windows with firewall, then there's those 'personal firewall'. Those are an entirely different species |
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| 06:46.03 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, I learned on Tiny Personal Firewall. |
| 06:46.12 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: what is that? |
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| 06:46.40 | Dwonis | djb software? ;) |
| 06:47.26 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, TPF is a firewall and security system that allows you to control EVERY file, dll, device, registry, spawn, application, hook, etc on your computer |
| 06:47.51 | Dwonis | Red_Cloud: in other words, it's so complex that it's probably a _source_ of security holes ;) |
| 06:48.13 | Red_Cloud | It is so complex that it has absolutely NO security holes |
| 06:48.23 | unstable | That's an oxy moron. |
| 06:48.27 | Dwonis | ha. ha ha. hahahahaha! |
| 06:48.44 | Dwonis | (as John Carmack put it about Java's write-once-run-anywhere) |
| 06:48.52 | Red_Cloud | but it is not for the casual user or unskillful |
| 06:48.54 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: personal firewalls security holes are the poor non-tech users that either cant deal with it or just disable it ) |
| 06:49.04 | Dwonis | ironic that a "tiny" firewall is so massive |
| 06:49.53 | Dwonis | if my desktop was working, I'd paste that to bash.org |
| 06:50.24 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, you should investigate Tiny Personal Firewall. It is not "out of the box" configuration at all. It has no "expert level" "moderate level" or "paranoid level" |
| 06:50.34 | unstable | !sloc |
| 06:50.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sloc is Source lines of code, a software metric used to measure the amount of code in a software program. SLOC is typically used to estimate the amount of effort that will be required to develop a program, as well as to estimate productivity or effort once the software is produced. The higher the SLOC the less secure things become. "The central enemy of reliability is complexity" Geer et al. or "Measuring programs by ... |
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| 06:50.46 | Kevin` | Red_Cloud windows, right? |
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| 06:51.00 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: i dont use personal firewalls |
| 06:51.13 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: now i do support people having one, that's a mess |
| 06:51.46 | Kevin` | "magine the situation where you can - by a simple mouse click - repair all damage caused by the application accidentally started on your computer." |
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| 06:51.51 | Kevin` | does it really do that :o |
| 06:51.52 | Red_Cloud | Kevin, Windows 2000, XP 32 bit, 64 bit servers |
| 06:52.04 | LoneWlf | so... |
| 06:52.07 | LoneWlf | pretty wierd |
| 06:52.18 | LoneWlf | I haven't updated my debian in some little amount of time |
| 06:52.23 | Dwonis | Kevin`: Still, http://www.zombo.com/ has it beat. you can do _anything_ there |
| 06:52.36 | LoneWlf | and now I'm getting a GPG error every time I try, something about a public key not being available? |
| 06:52.47 | unstable | firewalls should not have a gui, any firewall that ships with a gui is useless crap |
| 06:52.51 | valdyn | LoneWlf: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 06:52.52 | Red_Cloud | Kevin, TPF does monitor actions of an app and can undo all actions of that software no matter the evil committed |
| 06:52.56 | LoneWlf | Welcome to zombocom |
| 06:53.03 | Kevin` | lol Dwonis |
| 06:53.19 | unstable | Red_Cloud: What if the program does something to TPF? |
| 06:53.28 | Red_Cloud | unstable, in Linux yes |
| 06:53.29 | Kevin` | Red_Cloud erasing the hard drive? |
| 06:53.32 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: nono, that is what the vendor claims |
| 06:53.39 | unstable | Red_Cloud: In any operating system. |
| 06:53.43 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: no firewall can undo a rootkit |
| 06:53.46 | unstable | Kevin`: lol |
| 06:53.55 | unstable | Red_Cloud: yes, I agree with valdyn |
| 06:54.06 | Red_Cloud | unstable, a program cannot do anything to TPF, TPF controls all actions in the OS, as in ALL |
| 06:54.14 | unstable | Red_Cloud: Your(or the vendors?) claims are silly. And false. |
| 06:54.15 | Dwonis | unstable: what about shorewall or whatever that firewall distro is called |
| 06:54.22 | Dwonis | unstable: doesn't it ship with a gui? |
| 06:54.30 | valdyn | Dwonis: nope |
| 06:54.32 | unstable | Dwonis: What is shorewall? |
| 06:54.40 | valdyn | Dwonis: firestarter has a GUI |
| 06:54.41 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, yes it can. TPF is way early in the boot. It does not open with the desktop |
| 06:54.46 | Dwonis | unstable: it might not be called shorewall, I don't remember |
| 06:54.59 | valdyn | Dwonis: its like a personal firewall |
| 06:55.01 | LoneWlf | valdyn : thanks, that did the trick |
| 06:55.08 | unstable | Dwonis: I dunno, the concept of a "firewall distribution" seems silly to me. |
| 06:55.15 | unstable | Dwonis: apt-get install iptables? |
| 06:55.36 | Dwonis | unstable: read-only media means if the box gets rooted, you just have to reboot |
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| 06:55.57 | valdyn | unstable: firewall distro is usually a livecd with custom gui for firewallin |
| 06:56.00 | unstable | ahh, it's a livecd |
| 06:56.00 | LoneWlf | oh! and peeps may be interested to know, that the issue I was having about a month ago is now solved. |
| 06:56.14 | LoneWlf | iptables... made me think of it... as it turns out... iptables got smarter! |
| 06:56.14 | Dwonis | !congratulate LoneWlf |
| 06:56.14 | dpkg | Yay LoneWlf, you did it! |
| 06:56.24 | unstable | !beer Red_Cloud |
| 06:56.52 | Red_Cloud | Do not get me wrong, I am not in love with Microsoft, that is why I am now here in Linux. But I want a firewall that can deny access to port 80 to one app and allow access to port 80 to another app. The iptables seem to me no able to do this |
| 06:56.58 | unstable | Red_Cloud: relax, just say the words with us... "Windows has no good firewall software, because windows itself is not good" |
| 06:57.10 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: iptables can do that |
| 06:57.13 | LoneWlf | and in addition to excepting packets destined for the remote vpn peer from forwarding, you have to exempt them from the postrouting masquerade as well... |
| 06:57.42 | LoneWlf | which was previously... not required |
| 06:57.42 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: but i doubt there's a comfortable sophisticated GUI for linux personal firewall |
| 06:57.46 | LoneWlf | never a dull moment |
| 06:58.03 | LoneWlf | was quite a find... been playing with that one for a _long_ - ish time |
| 06:58.03 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, iptables can allow and deny by app or service and not blanket access to ports and protocols? |
| 06:58.11 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: yea |
| 06:58.24 | valdyn | Red_Cloud: prerequesite is that the firewall runs on the same box as the app naturally |
| 06:58.29 | LoneWlf | by application? |
| 06:58.34 | valdyn | LoneWlf: yes |
| 06:58.46 | LoneWlf | doesn't that... no I guess its not that funny... all it has to do is read the packet header... |
| 06:58.47 | Dwonis | valdyn: eh? I didn't know it could do that. How do you do it? |
| 06:58.53 | LoneWlf | by ports is still less processing tho |
| 06:59.20 | valdyn | Dwonis: i never did it, but i read it flying over http://lartc.org/ |
| 06:59.29 | wookienz | i have a IPCOP debain firewall box. I have port forwarding on but my p2p program is not working properly.. ie the ports arent fully open. Is there a way i can tell externally if the firewall is accepting connections on that port? |
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| 06:59.38 | LoneWlf | how uu guys remember what webpage you got a random tidbit from is beyond me |
| 06:59.46 | Red_Cloud | valdyn, then I am home! I have been messing with GUIs that manipulate iptables and they do not offer such granular control. I think that I shall abandon the GUIs and go to command line and see if I can create "another nice mess" |
| 06:59.46 | unstable | wookienz: What version of debian? |
| 06:59.49 | valdyn | wookienz: which p2p program? |
| 07:00.10 | Dwonis | valdyn: man iptables reveals: --uid-owner, --gid-owner, --pid-owner, --sid-owner, --cmd-owner... cool |
| 07:00.32 | valdyn | LoneWlf: http://lartc.org/ is the primary source of netfilter documentation ;) |
| 07:00.32 | wookienz | unstable, it is IPCOP, a debian built firewalling box |
| 07:00.40 | unstable | wookienz: What version of debian? |
| 07:00.46 | wookienz | valdyn, dc++ and bit comet |
| 07:00.55 | Dwonis | valdyn: though apparently (pid|sid|cmd)-owner are broken on SMP |
| 07:01.07 | LoneWlf | valdyn: I'm seeing that |
| 07:01.14 | unstable | wookienz: Is it Etch or Sarge or Ubuntu or what? Progeny? |
| 07:01.19 | LoneWlf | valdyn : I'm just wondering how I missed that in all of my searching on this subject |
| 07:01.19 | valdyn | wookienz: ok, i dont know these so i cant tell you the specific ports etc, but you probably havent done portforwarding, or these tools just need more than 1 port |
| 07:01.28 | LoneWlf | Social Engineering once more wins over technology |
| 07:01.32 | LoneWlf | stupid google |
| 07:01.34 | LoneWlf | well |
| 07:01.41 | LoneWlf | I guess you still have to ask the right question :P |
| 07:02.02 | Dwonis | LoneWlf: hey, technology *enables* social engineering! |
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| 07:02.30 | LoneWlf | yeah, kinda how my mouth enables beatings |
| 07:02.34 | Dwonis | I should have typed "startkeylogger" while Red_Cloud was here |
| 07:02.45 | valdyn | hah |
| 07:03.01 | unstable | Dwonis: freenode gives out klines for people who type that. |
| 07:03.16 | Dwonis | which is why I didn't, besides the fact that I didn't think of it |
| 07:03.21 | unstable | (I've seen handfuls of people being klined) |
| 07:03.29 | unstable | lol |
| 07:03.31 | Gnea | Dwonis: with sprinkles |
| 07:03.34 | unstable | which is lame |
| 07:03.45 | unstable | What kind of silly irc network doesn't let you attack the people on it. psh |
| 07:03.50 | unstable | censorship |
| 07:03.52 | Dwonis | lol |
| 07:04.02 | Gnea | it's the american way |
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| 07:04.07 | Dwonis | funny, because saying it would have had artistic value, at that moment |
| 07:04.22 | LoneWlf | wookienz : well... based on your question... nmap and ewww... what's the other one... also starts with an 'n' |
| 07:04.27 | Dwonis | especially if it worked |
| 07:04.54 | LoneWlf | wookienz : but if you have an 'external' box... preferably running some type of linux ... then you could in stall nmap and scan your external firewall with it... |
| 07:05.51 | LoneWlf | wookienz : that will tell you if those ports go all the way thru, but you'll have to turn on like... super logging on your firewall and watch it, to see... which... is the whole point anyways... and you could just run your app and watch your firewall logs... if they're enabled... |
| 07:05.53 | Dwonis | wookienz: but be careful, because some ISPs have immature techs who go bananas every time they see a port scan |
| 07:05.59 | evaded | Hi guys, I try to setup my system to use xinerama. I have been follow the howto on the TLDP, but i always get an dupplicated view on the both monitors. I want an left side and a right, so that the view are splited. Actually i got the same screen on the both monitors. |
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| 07:06.24 | LoneWlf | wookienz : and then there is the old tried and true method of removing the piece of equipment from the loop temporarily as a test... |
| 07:06.37 | LoneWlf | wookienz : just practice some logistics and you'll get there eventually :P |
| 07:06.37 | evaded | I guess that i have forget somethings. But i have redo it several times. So i really mis it |
| 07:07.00 | wookienz | LoneWlf, Dwonis thanks |
| 07:07.02 | LoneWlf | Dwonis : poor guys... have high bloodpressure... and no sex life :) |
| 07:07.16 | LoneWlf | The immature techs at the ISPs |
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| 07:07.17 | LoneWlf | that is |
| 07:07.20 | Dwonis | LoneWlf: indeed |
| 07:07.23 | LoneWlf | wookienz : yr welcome |
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| 07:07.55 | Gnea | evaded: did you startx or use a dm? |
| 07:07.56 | wookienz | LoneWlf, would the nmap have to be done from extarnal to my network? |
| 07:08.08 | Dwonis | Gnea: that _really_ doesn't matter |
| 07:08.09 | evaded | Gnea: I use gdm |
| 07:08.11 | LoneWlf | wookienz : if you just want to see if your box is open, no |
| 07:08.21 | LoneWlf | wookienz : if you want to see if the firewall is open, yes... |
| 07:08.23 | Gnea | Dwonis: piss off. |
| 07:08.27 | Dwonis | Gnea: lol |
| 07:08.32 | LoneWlf | wookienz : but it will test the _whole_ connection |
| 07:08.53 | valdyn | wookienz: there's plenty websites that will scan you for free |
| 07:09.01 | streuner | !sunday |
| 07:09.01 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 07:09.08 | LoneWlf | wookienz : and not just a piece of it, so it's probably not worth the effort... you need to isolate... and then you can use it to test when you think you're done, but the application does the same thing and is the true test anyways... |
| 07:09.11 | Gnea | evaded: what wm are you using? |
| 07:09.11 | valdyn | !portscan |
| 07:09.13 | evaded | I have paste my config of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 http://pastebin.com/662677 if someone would help |
| 07:09.26 | evaded | Gnea: Currently i use XFCE4 |
| 07:09.30 | LoneWlf | wookienz : in fact, nmap won't even work if there is nothing listening on those ports internally... |
| 07:09.38 | Gnea | evaded: have you tried Enlightenment? |
| 07:09.40 | LoneWlf | wookienz : aka, the program has to be running... |
| 07:09.49 | evaded | Gnea: Already yes :-) |
| 07:09.59 | rohan | pusling: ping |
| 07:10.12 | valdyn | evaded: you need Modes spanning 2 monitors, see nvidias howto for an example ( www.nvidia.com ) |
| 07:10.22 | Gnea | evaded: right on. yeah, there's an option for it to use xinerama... sec lemme see if i can find my old configs |
| 07:10.30 | LoneWlf | so... |
| 07:10.53 | evaded | valdyn: I not understand, i guess i missing somethings (also knowledges) |
| 07:10.59 | Gnea | evaded: what kinda card is it? nvidia or ati? |
| 07:11.05 | evaded | Gnea: An ati |
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| 07:11.23 | valdyn | evaded: just read the nvidia howto ( particualarily if that is an nvidia card , but even otherwise it may help ) |
| 07:11.31 | evaded | I not know if it matter, but currently i have no acceleration |
| 07:11.32 | Gnea | evaded: ok, i'm used to nvidia, but it should be basically the same... |
| 07:11.38 | LoneWlf | check this out, maybe ya'all can give me a simple test to run... figure this out... my local server, installed a new image and rebooted it... booted once with that image, everything appeared fine... but it wasn't working the way I thought, so I booted using a previous image... (went from 2.6.8-> 2.6.16-> 2.6.8) and now my usb mouse and k/b don't work |
| 07:12.05 | LoneWlf | wow |
| 07:12.12 | LoneWlf | dropped em like flies |
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| 07:12.34 | valdyn | evaded: just mind that 'twinview' is not for you as its not an nvidia card |
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| 07:13.06 | LoneWlf | is that the royal we ? |
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| 07:13.48 | LoneWlf | you (plural) aren't finding what you seek? |
| 07:14.46 | valdyn | evaded: you are useing fglrx or the radeon driver? |
| 07:15.41 | LoneWlf | never a dull moment *sigh* |
| 07:15.59 | evaded | valdyn: I not know, i have try to setup that 3D thing, but that have fail, i have try many times. And more than one guy has say here that i needed to upgrade to Etch to get that working with Xorg, but that i would not |
| 07:16.24 | valdyn | evaded: grep -i driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 07:17.02 | evaded | Driver "fglrx" Driver "fglrx" # and disable the kernel agpgart driver. |
| 07:17.13 | evaded | Driver "ATI" |
| 07:17.24 | evaded | It's look the both are loaded :-/ |
| 07:17.30 | evaded | Possible? |
| 07:17.39 | LoneWlf | no... just that they are both configured... |
| 07:18.03 | evaded | http://pastebin.com/662690 |
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| 07:18.49 | evaded | But i guess not right :-/ Like there are no 3D :-( |
| 07:19.29 | evaded | But that's not the first problem, it's for later, im not a game freak. I need to get my 2 monitors display each the half of the screen |
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| 07:19.47 | evaded | That 3D are not important now |
| 07:20.00 | LoneWlf | I dunno... I've never done the dual monitor thing |
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| 07:20.24 | coywolf | what's the real time sched tool? |
| 07:20.31 | evaded | s/first problem/an great problem |
| 07:20.34 | coywolf | i want to run mplayer in real time? |
| 07:21.35 | Gnea | evaded: does xfce4 have a xinerama option? |
| 07:21.43 | evaded | I looking on the nvidea website. But i not know really what to look, i search an howto of what ? |
| 07:21.47 | valdyn | evaded: do you have this: Option "Clone" "off" in your ServerLayout |
| 07:21.48 | evaded | Gnea: I not know |
| 07:22.05 | evaded | valdyn: hhmm, no |
| 07:22.06 | valdyn | evaded: sorry, nvidias site probably wasnt a useful idea |
| 07:22.10 | Gnea | evaded: what about configuration? |
| 07:22.24 | Gnea | because it's the WM that controls the xinerama layout |
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| 07:22.39 | evaded | valdyn: Need i set there Option "Clone" "on" ? |
| 07:22.41 | valdyn | evaded: and put Option "Xinerama" "on" in the ServerLayout too |
| 07:22.54 | evaded | valdyn: ^^ that's in |
| 07:22.55 | valdyn | evaded: you DONT want to clone, do you? |
| 07:23.10 | evaded | valdyn: Right, no clone! |
| 07:23.32 | evaded | valdyn: So in need to set Option "Clone" "off" then?? |
| 07:23.48 | valdyn | evaded: in the serverlayout yes, and xinerama on in the same section |
| 07:24.06 | valdyn | evaded: that is probably redundant, but i see that here |
| 07:25.59 | lnc | ok, after i upgraded my kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6, how come it ran slower than 2.4? |
| 07:26.15 | valdyn | evaded: its bullshit to have both Driver fglrx and Driver ATI |
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| 07:26.28 | valdyn | lnc: does it? how? where? |
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| 07:26.41 | lnc | ? |
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| 07:26.54 | evaded | valdyn: Is that right so http://pastebin.com/662697 ?? Yes, i guess and know that i have mess it a bit up for my 3D card :-/ |
| 07:27.00 | lnc | valdyn: im talkin about booting |
| 07:27.21 | lnc | it took like 10 just to detect hardware, etc |
| 07:27.30 | lnc | and it aint normal |
| 07:27.35 | valdyn | lnc: that isnt your kernel, that is discover or hotplug |
| 07:27.43 | valdyn | lnc: feel free to remove discover |
| 07:27.50 | lnc | what? |
| 07:27.51 | valdyn | lnc: or discover1 |
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| 07:28.16 | valdyn | which part do you not understand? |
| 07:28.22 | valdyn | !tell lnc -about ask |
| 07:28.26 | lnc | i see |
| 07:28.39 | lnc | so now im using 2.4 again |
| 07:29.01 | lnc | i should remove discover1 and install 2.6.*? |
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| 07:29.43 | valdyn | lnc: dont you already have a 2.6 kernel installed? |
| 07:29.49 | lnc | no |
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| 07:30.04 | lnc | i rebooted again and used 2.4 |
| 07:30.04 | valdyn | lnc: then why the hell are you telling us that your 2.6 kernel is slower ? |
| 07:30.18 | valdyn | lnc: so its installed still, but not used right now |
| 07:30.25 | lnc | because i USED it |
| 07:30.32 | lnc | yeah it is installed |
| 07:30.42 | lnc | what should i do to fix this shit? |
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| 07:30.51 | valdyn | lnc: try what i said |
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| 07:31.07 | lnc | just remove discover1 and that's it? |
| 07:31.11 | valdyn | lnc: or give more specific information what it is that is being slow |
| 07:31.36 | lnc | detecting hardware, starting daemons |
| 07:31.39 | lnc | all that stuff |
| 07:31.50 | Gnea | evaded: have you tried the xfce-setting-show command? is there anything in there for dual-displays? |
| 07:31.51 | lnc | took like 10 mins to start all of em |
| 07:32.13 | lnc | and on 2.4 took like 30 seconds to do all that stuff |
| 07:32.14 | lnc | s |
| 07:32.15 | valdyn | lnc: so you are telling me that each single service now starts slower than with 2.4? |
| 07:32.20 | lnc | yeah |
| 07:32.22 | valdyn | lnc: i'd call bullshit on that.. |
| 07:32.23 | evaded | Gnea: Ho do i do that ? |
| 07:32.33 | valdyn | lnc: ok |
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| 07:32.42 | evaded | Gnea: find 'xfce-setting-show' |
| 07:32.45 | valdyn | lnc: boot your 2.6 kernel and test harddisk speed |
| 07:32.58 | valdyn | lnc: and figure out some details on what or if anything is slow after booting too |
| 07:33.01 | lnc | not just that, X was fuckin up |
| 07:33.35 | lnc | ok let me just ask you this, when upgrading kernel what do you need other than the image and headers? |
| 07:33.38 | pingouin | !tell pingouin -about ask |
| 07:33.47 | evaded | Gnea: There are nothings for that :-( |
| 07:33.50 | mrkris | this may sound stupid, but i have a debian-sarge VPS at a hosting provider and updated it to etch, but it went crazy and added all sorts of stuff that it's never added on any of my other servers before, then just failed. it keeps wanting to install X libs. How would I remove everything but the bare debian etch system and reinstall apache and what not |
| 07:33.51 | valdyn | lnc: you dont need headers |
| 07:34.01 | lnc | ok |
| 07:34.03 | lnc | what do i need then |
| 07:34.09 | valdyn | lnc: nothing else |
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| 07:34.24 | valdyn | lnc: unless you use a custom kernel, that could be different |
| 07:34.30 | lnc | ic |
| 07:34.39 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.41 | lnc | well imma try removing discover1 |
| 07:34.52 | coywolf | only repeat some range of a file |
| 07:35.12 | valdyn | lnc: that is not going to be enough most probably after what you just told me, but in any case we here need details on what is slow |
| 07:35.13 | LoneWlf | is etch the new unstable? or the reg unstable renamed? |
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| 07:35.24 | valdyn | LoneWlf: its testing |
| 07:35.35 | wookienz | LoneWlf, can i see in the iptables print out whether port forwarding is on? nmap is shoiwing the port open even though inside the application i have turned it on. |
| 07:35.43 | valdyn | mrkris: you shouldnt blindly trust apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:35.56 | valdyn | mkl1525: sarge->etch currently needs manual intervention |
| 07:36.05 | valdyn | mkris: sarge->etch currently needs manual intervention |
| 07:36.22 | valdyn | mrkris: ( naturally depending on which packages you have installed ) |
| 07:36.40 | lnc | well, just tell me what do i need to upgrade? |
| 07:36.59 | jaymzh | I read the XOrg7 upgrade problems page, and reinstalled xkb-data, but alt-ctrl-FX still doesn't work |
| 07:37.01 | jaymzh | :( |
| 07:37.06 | valdyn | lnc: out crystals are quiet today, you wont get help if you do not provide details |
| 07:37.16 | lnc | upgrading to 2.6 |
| 07:37.26 | lnc | i said what packages do i need |
| 07:37.34 | valdyn | lnc: none extra |
| 07:37.39 | valdyn | lnc: i already said that |
| 07:37.41 | lnc | just the image? |
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| 07:39.06 | LoneWlf | wookienz : iptables -L; iptables -t nat -L |
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| 07:39.33 | evaded | Im not sure that i have been do some good things in that /etc/X11/xfree86-4config |
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| 07:41.37 | evaded | s/the/then |
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| 07:42.00 | SpanKY | [03:42] <meLanie[huh]> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:42.05 | SpanKY | someone might want to boot that spammer |
| 07:42.23 | simonrvn | wookienz: you'll want -n -L and maybe even do -vn -L ; -n turns off dns lookups (like in route -n) |
| 07:42.24 | valdyn | evaded: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22412.html, particularily the last post |
| 07:42.34 | simonrvn | SpanKY: go away spammer slime |
| 07:42.41 | evaded | valdyn: You have not forget me :-) |
| 07:42.46 | SpanKY | simonrvn: hey retard, why dont read what i posted |
| 07:42.51 | simonrvn | SpanKY: don't re-post it. sorry |
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| 07:43.06 | SpanKY | well clearly you cant read |
| 07:43.15 | simonrvn | well fuck you too then. |
| 07:43.17 | SpanKY | anyone famil with locale-gen ? dont seem to have it on my Debian install |
| 07:43.22 | SpanKY | ah, simonrvn needs a hug |
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| 07:43.39 | appaji | Can someone tell dpkg about http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 07:44.01 | simonrvn | !tell changwufei about root |
| 07:44.10 | valdyn | appaji: its in the topic |
| 07:44.13 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 07:44.46 | appaji | valdyn: Ah, ok. I did not notice that it was linked from http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 07:44.53 | simonrvn | your statement is fallacious since i can very well read. obviously. |
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| 07:45.49 | simonrvn | 2) don't re-post the garbage, you're doing them a fucking favour .... |
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| 07:45.58 | bliss1__ | happy easter folks |
| 07:46.04 | C_sharp | is debian a good op system to try to learn what unix is like? ie less of a gui? |
| 07:46.10 | SpanKY | you forgot 1) |
| 07:46.41 | C_sharp | some linuxes seem to look just like windows, and i'm looking for one that runs like unix, at least close 2 it |
| 07:46.55 | evaded | valdyn: So it's looks that it's crap my card? Better that nvidea?? |
| 07:47.00 | valdyn | C_sharp: debian installs only what you chose to isntall, if you dont install a gui you dont get one |
| 07:47.13 | C_sharp | ah k. thanks |
| 07:47.16 | bliss1__ | liable: hi you get you prob fixed form a few days back |
| 07:47.26 | valdyn | evaded: well it should work according to that message board.. |
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| 07:48.06 | evaded | valdyn: Yes, right. I try a bit ;-) and see if i get it working :-) |
| 07:48.18 | jaymzh | I've read StatusOfUnstable and Xorg69To7 and followed all the instructions including making sure xkb-data is installed by alt-ctrl-FX doesn't work and XDM doesn't work |
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| 07:49.01 | valdyn | jaymzh: ctrl-alt-fx doesnt work indeed, i dont know about your xdm issue |
| 07:49.05 | coywolf | how to let a software always run in rt? |
| 07:49.23 | valdyn | coywolf: man nice / renice |
| 07:49.25 | jaymzh | valdyn, erm, so the "fix" under StatusOfUnstable doesn't work? |
| 07:49.36 | valdyn | jaymzh: not for me anyway |
| 07:49.40 | jaymzh | damnit |
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| 07:50.03 | coywolf | valdyn, i mean automaticaly |
| 07:50.10 | jaymzh | worse yet, X now usually freezes on me |
| 07:50.13 | jaymzh | on startup |
| 07:50.27 | SpanKY | hmm seems the package i wanted was "locales" ... `apt-get install locales` and bam i have locale-gen |
| 07:50.34 | SpanKY | peace |
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| 07:50.49 | valdyn | coywolf: then you code that into that program, that's offtopic here |
| 07:51.05 | valdyn | coywolf: cdrecord does that, see its code |
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| 07:53.14 | evaded | valdyn: So i not copy an paste that part of that config? Like he use 'MergedFB'. I'm a bit to stupid :-( |
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| 07:53.49 | evaded | valdyn: I mean copy the good config, like i need a bit to modify it |
| 07:54.00 | valdyn | evaded: give that a try maybe, i dont really know much more than you about fglrx |
| 07:54.20 | evaded | valdyn: Yes, right, i test a bit ;-) |
| 07:55.05 | evaded | valdyn: But what is "Xinerama serverflag" is that == Section "ServerLayout" ?? |
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| 07:55.43 | evaded | valdyn: Sorry, i have find it on the top of the config ;-) |
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| 07:56.03 | dotdashandy | How would one go about using apt--get to install a desktop manager? |
| 07:56.33 | valdyn | dotdashandy: what is a desktop manager? |
| 07:56.41 | Eclipser | gnome/kde ? :) |
| 07:56.48 | dotdashandy | I think i mean desktop environment |
| 07:56.56 | valdyn | !install kde |
| 07:56.56 | dpkg | it has been said that install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 07:56.59 | valdyn | !install gnome |
| 07:56.59 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 07:57.01 | valdyn | !install xfce |
| 07:57.05 | coywolf | how can I play only the 1st 10 seconds of a file? |
| 07:57.05 | valdyn | !install xfce4 |
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| 07:58.02 | evaded | xfce4 are been running here :-) |
| 07:58.41 | dotdashandy | what arguments should i use to install it? |
| 07:58.45 | evaded | !xfce4 |
| 07:58.45 | dpkg | from memory, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 07:59.01 | valdyn | dotdashandy: guess |
| 07:59.03 | evaded | he he |
| 07:59.19 | dotdashandy | it''d help if i could read them |
| 07:59.25 | Eclipser | o.O? |
| 07:59.30 | Eclipser | are you blind? |
| 07:59.38 | dotdashandy | no,, it''s just not showing all of them on screen |
| 07:59.58 | dotdashandy | quite frankly i've got no idea what i'm doing |
| 08:00.08 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 08:00.08 | dpkg | hmm... refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 08:00.22 | evaded | dotdashandy: What irc app are you using? |
| 08:00.37 | dotdashandy | Colloquy.. Yes,, i know about the double punctuation,, somethings horribly wrong somewhere |
| 08:00.59 | Eclipser | o.O |
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| 08:03.01 | _kadaj_3 | how to download debian? |
| 08:03.48 | evaded | _kadaj_3: Be uploading it :-/ |
| 08:03.58 | evaded | bad bad bad, it's an joke guy ;-) |
| 08:04.14 | evaded | _kadaj_3: Have you look on the website?? |
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| 08:04.30 | _kadaj_3 | yes |
| 08:04.41 | _kadaj_3 | which is the latest version? |
| 08:04.45 | Firztspawn | anyone here using Debian stable with kde? |
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| 08:05.19 | evaded | _kadaj_3: the '3.1' the stable version(code name 'Sarge') |
| 08:05.31 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 08:05.32 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:05.41 | evaded | Firztspawn: Not at this moment. But some times yes |
| 08:06.20 | Firztspawn | evaded: you know how some distros are Gnome, and others are KDE by default... |
| 08:06.49 | Firztspawn | what is debian by default, and are there issues with konqeror sigserving out all the time |
| 08:06.49 | simonrvn | Firztspawn: not debian's case |
| 08:07.04 | Eclipser | mh, the refcard is quite neat but I think even with that, my dad will ask me zillions of questions |
| 08:07.25 | evaded | Firztspawn: Yes, you can choose what you want to use. No matters what are the default one. There are no defaults one in Debian, or if with 'tasksel' you have choose for an 'Desktop environement' |
| 08:07.31 | xophEr | a couple of fast easy questions; How can I see my network usage (monitor bandwidth) from terminal? And how can I see who's logged in atm? |
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| 08:07.53 | valdyn | xophEr: a) iftop b) who |
| 08:07.54 | evaded | Firztspawn: ... then KDE and Gnome are installed |
| 08:07.54 | Eclipser | w for the latter |
| 08:08.00 | _kadaj_3 | in ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd,there are so many binaries.Which should i download? |
| 08:08.05 | Eclipser | there's also lastlog |
| 08:08.07 | xophEr | thank you :) |
| 08:08.09 | kronoz | xophEr: try w |
| 08:08.10 | dotdashandy | which one is better,, KDE or Gnome? |
| 08:08.12 | Firztspawn | I am looking for a stable base OS (Linux) and Im not going with Gentoo purely because of time involved (otherwise I would) |
| 08:08.17 | valdyn | dotdashandy: both |
| 08:08.22 | liable | !better |
| 08:08.23 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 08:08.26 | Eclipser | dotdashandy, there's no such thing as better |
| 08:08.31 | kronoz | dotdashandy: source of endless debate... |
| 08:08.35 | dotdashandy | well let me rephrase that to "easier to learn" |
| 08:08.42 | valdyn | dotdashandy: both |
| 08:08.44 | Eclipser | :p |
| 08:08.51 | dotdashandy | totally not a help,, so i'll go KDE |
| 08:08.52 | dotdashandy | lol |
| 08:08.56 | kronoz | dotdashandy: maybe kde for windows useers |
| 08:09.02 | liable | dotdashandy: try them both and make upu your own mind |
| 08:09.04 | dotdashandy | Mac users? |
| 08:09.04 | valdyn | !8-ball kde |
| 08:09.09 | valdyn | !8ball kde |
| 08:09.09 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 08:09.16 | valdyn | !8ball kde sucks. |
| 08:09.16 | dpkg | Yes. |
| 08:09.19 | valdyn | !8ball kde sucks. |
| 08:09.19 | cafuego | The bot is broken. |
| 08:09.31 | kronoz | !8ball gnome |
| 08:09.31 | dpkg | Unsure. |
| 08:09.50 | Firztspawn | so I assume DEbian stable is actually very stable? |
| 08:09.52 | Firztspawn | oops |
| 08:10.00 | liable | "The bot" thats harsh.. :) |
| 08:10.37 | liable | Firztspawn: assumption correct! |
| 08:10.40 | dotdashandy | gnome--desktop--environment isn''t in my aptitude list,, but all t's dependencies are |
| 08:10.40 | Eclipser | aha |
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| 08:10.44 | Firztspawn | final q.. whats the stable version called and where to get it? |
| 08:11.00 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 08:11.00 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 08:11.17 | Eclipser | "yay" |
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| 08:11.28 | Eclipser | thousands of invalid users again in my auth.log :p |
| 08:11.34 | lnc | i went to some website, and it asked me to install 'Java Runtime Environment', what do i really need, is there any package? |
| 08:11.35 | _kadaj_3 | dpkg: where to download debian? |
| 08:11.46 | liable | Eclipser: recent module! |
| 08:11.53 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 08:11.53 | lnc | i know there is, i wanna know what's the exactly one |
| 08:11.55 | liable | !d-i _kadaj_3 |
| 08:11.55 | dpkg | _kadaj_3, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:11.59 | valdyn | lnc: ignore that website after sendinga nasty mail to webmaster@website.domain |
| 08:12.00 | Eclipser | higherachievement.org is trying to log in my computer... |
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| 08:12.08 | valdyn | !install java |
| 08:12.08 | dpkg | install java is probably First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>. |
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| 08:12.11 | lnc | valdyn: i know te shit |
| 08:12.15 | lnc | site* |
| 08:12.24 | JediMaster | hi all, the only thing that is stopping my boss changing half our office pcs to debian from windows (most of the servers are already) is outlook/exchange. Does anyone know of an outlook clone for linux that can connect to exchange to get it's calender? |
| 08:13.19 | lnc | is java virtual machine = java runtime environment? |
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| 08:13.37 | yosef | HI, |
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| 08:13.53 | yosef | How to install SMB support? |
| 08:14.08 | valdyn | lnc: not really, but you can take that as synonyms for your purpose |
| 08:14.15 | vosti | JediMaster, evolution was born as a clone of outlook, i don't know if it support exchange |
| 08:14.31 | _kadaj_3 | dpkg: there are many binaries in http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 08:14.31 | dpkg | _kadaj_3: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:14.39 | Firztspawn | 14 .isos??? |
| 08:14.57 | valdyn | Firztspawn: so? |
| 08:15.02 | _kadaj_3 | in this link : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:15.14 | valdyn | Firztspawn: one doesnt become the largest distro on earth in 1 cd |
| 08:15.16 | Firztspawn | valdyn: some of us have capped download limits |
| 08:15.24 | JediMaster | vosti: I don't think it does, but I will double check, thanks |
| 08:15.34 | valdyn | Firztspawn: you dont need all cds, you need the first one only |
| 08:15.48 | Firztspawn | what do the rest have on them? |
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| 08:15.57 | valdyn | Firztspawn: more software |
| 08:16.16 | vosti | JediMaster, have trust :) |
| 08:16.35 | liable | Firztspawn: how about going to www.debian.org and reading a faq/doc or two? |
| 08:16.36 | Firztspawn | will the net install disc give me a basic system (without X)? |
| 08:16.47 | JediMaster | vosti: hmm, aparently it does support echange! |
| 08:16.49 | Firztspawn | ok, might do that |
| 08:16.54 | Firztspawn | thanx for the link' |
| 08:16.56 | valdyn | Firztspawn: yes, it will download a few things from the net while installing though |
| 08:17.08 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 08:17.14 | _kadaj_3 | can someone give the link to download debian? |
| 08:17.39 | vosti | JediMaster, i'm also looking. i think it support 100% of outlook. it support ldap so you can access public foders/calendars... |
| 08:17.50 | dotdashandy | this isn''t a Debian related question,, but why would an installer crash at "Running /sbin/loader" ? |
| 08:17.51 | liable | _kadaj_3: www.debian.org |
| 08:17.52 | Firztspawn | thanx for the hlp :) |
| 08:17.53 | Firztspawn | laters |
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| 08:18.00 | JediMaster | vosti: hmm novel? I thought it was ximian, or have I just missed something? |
| 08:18.16 | valdyn | dotdashandy: why would any program crash ever? |
| 08:18.24 | vosti | JediMaster, it was ximian, but then novel bought it |
| 08:18.50 | JediMaster | ahh right |
| 08:19.03 | JediMaster | well, this is great news (if not old!) =) |
| 08:19.19 | vosti | :) |
| 08:19.35 | JediMaster | I'll be taking my debian net-install cd with me to work on tuesday then =) |
| 08:19.54 | JediMaster | we get 800-1200kbyte/sec at work, so it won't take long hehe |
| 08:20.35 | vosti | JediMaster, push your chief to the right things to do, switch to debian :) |
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| 08:21.26 | _kadaj_3 | liable: detail |
| 08:21.51 | liable | _kadaj_3: yes. you can get it all there. |
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| 08:22.12 | _kadaj_3 | liable: i want download link |
| 08:22.33 | liable | _kadaj_3: dude, can you not follow links on a web page? |
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| 08:23.22 | valdyn | _kadaj_3: confuzius sais that one must be cabable of browsing the intarweb to use debian |
| 08:23.36 | _kadaj_3 | i am |
| 08:23.38 | liable | heh |
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| 08:24.52 | _kadaj_3 | how many disks in i need to download? |
| 08:25.16 | dotdashandy | _kadaj_3 : I managed to install off 1 cd |
| 08:25.58 | _kadaj_3 | is this debian-update-3.1r1-i386-1.iso that i need to download? |
| 08:27.16 | liable | _kadaj_3: please. take the time to read at least one or two of the faqs, if you cannot even do this then maybe you should rethink your decision to try debian. |
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| 08:27.40 | dotdashandy | if I have an nVidia card which X server driver should I use?? I always seem to get it wrong |
| 08:27.43 | _kadaj_3 | i tried ubuntu before |
| 08:27.53 | dark_light | how can i set the size of a file? to eg. 4.5gb, i want to make a empty .iso for dvd to make an mkfs on it |
| 08:28.24 | Kevin` | dark_light are you sure you don't want mkisofs |
| 08:28.36 | dotdashandy | is nv for nvidia cards? |
| 08:28.51 | DimmuR | y |
| 08:28.59 | liable | dotdashandy: yep |
| 08:29.04 | dotdashandy | great,, thanks |
| 08:29.10 | cast | hmm. newbie question. how do i get the access/modification times of a file? i can get modification from ls -l but access is aluding me |
| 08:29.12 | dark_light | Kevin`, why? i want a ext2 dvd |
| 08:29.32 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/zero of=file.iso bs=1M count=650 |
| 08:29.33 | Kevin` | ex |
| 08:29.50 | liable | ext2 dvd? |
| 08:30.04 | Kevin` | odd yet valid :) |
| 08:30.05 | dark_light | Kevin`, i *have* to write on the file? |
| 08:30.18 | Kevin` | dark_light well you could make a sparse file |
| 08:30.18 | DimmuR | I've strange problem with upgrading libc6 -it exit with error : libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory but I've this library in /lib/tls (ldconfig see it) |
| 08:30.26 | dark_light | liable, iso9660 can't save users/permissions/etc |
| 08:30.46 | liable | dark_light: tar? |
| 08:30.57 | dark_light | Kevin`, what is a sparse file? i just want make a file with junk |
| 08:31.06 | dark_light | liable, can i mount a tar? |
| 08:31.11 | Kevin` | if you want a file with junk use the above line |
| 08:31.23 | Kevin` | a sparse file is a large file without defined data |
| 08:31.51 | lde | if you really want junk, then use /dev/urandom :) |
| 08:31.56 | liable | dark_light: explain what you are actually trying to do is prolly a better option. |
| 08:32.14 | valdyn | !fuse |
| 08:32.14 | dpkg | well, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/ |
| 08:32.59 | dark_light | liable, i am trying to make a more-or-less automatized dvd backups. first i want to make a .iso with a want. i want make the iso with a shell script.. simply creating the iso. mounting with loop and copying things to it |
| 08:33.07 | Kevin` | dark_light tar directly to the cdrom would be quicker, but you don't have the benifit of a filesystem then.. good for backups |
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| 08:33.24 | Kevin` | tar c * |cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc - |
| 08:33.40 | Kevin` | didn't think of that? ;) |
| 08:33.50 | dark_light | dd if=/dev/zero of=file.iso bs=1M count=650 creates a blank file, Kevin` -- and it will copy 650mb! for 4,5gb it will last many minutes |
| 08:33.53 | Kevin` | (cdrecord wouldn't work for a dvd, but you know..) |
| 08:34.15 | dark_light | Kevin`, well..... |
| 08:34.19 | Kevin` | well if you want 4.5 gb of junk, it will take time |
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| 08:34.30 | valdyn | dpkg, fuse =~ s#net/#net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc.# |
| 08:34.30 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 08:34.51 | Eclipser | <3 curlftpfs |
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| 08:34.55 | dark_light | Kevin`, first i don't know how to use cdrecord.. second, why can't i mount a tar? it's just like a iso9660.. |
| 08:35.05 | dark_light | ahh |
| 08:35.11 | dark_light | maybe it's what i need |
| 08:35.35 | Kevin` | one more example.. |
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| 08:35.57 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.com/662739 |
| 08:36.15 | Kevin` | (sparse file) |
| 08:36.25 | dark_light | Kevin`, but i was first looking for a method to create files with a specific size and with a non-specific data, like C declaration of variables without initializing them |
| 08:36.34 | Kevin` | dark_light ^ |
| 08:36.41 | dark_light | it's a sparse file?:) |
| 08:36.44 | Kevin` | yes |
| 08:36.51 | Kevin` | file with size but not data |
| 08:37.01 | Kevin` | (reads as zeros iirc) |
| 08:37.02 | liable | you cannot make an *any* fs other than iso9660 for a cd or dvd. |
| 08:37.06 | dark_light | ok, looking it :P |
| 08:37.12 | Kevin` | bs, sure you can |
| 08:37.23 | dark_light | lde, (that's why i don't want /dev/urandom) |
| 08:37.32 | valdyn | dpkg, fuse =~ s/etc./etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels./ |
| 08:37.32 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 08:37.38 | dark_light | liable, why..? |
| 08:37.56 | Kevin` | note that it took me less then a second to make that 4.5gb file.. I could then format it with ext2, mount it, copy data.. |
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| 08:38.07 | dark_light | i heard about cds with ext2 that worked very well on linux... |
| 08:38.12 | Kevin` | I think tar is a better idea though |
| 08:38.51 | valdyn | any fs than can be mounted ro can be on a cd, im sure there's better solutions than tar |
| 08:38.52 | dark_light | Kevin`, but, but, but.. dd isn't a byte-to-byte copy? |
| 08:39.39 | dark_light | maybe i don't know how bs=1M works.. |
| 08:39.45 | dark_light | yeah, i really don't know.. |
| 08:39.47 | Kevin` | all i'm telling dd to do there is seek 4.5gb into the fille and write 1M of nothing |
| 08:40.14 | ma3x_ | why is 'rar' so slow, when you try to rar something? |
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| 08:40.52 | Kevin` | (not exactly 4.5gb, mind you) |
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| 08:41.08 | dark_light | ma3x_, well, on windows rar is slow too. (or at least it was slow on my old pc.. an p3 600mhz with 128mb of ram) |
| 08:41.17 | valdyn | ma3x_: because it treats compression ratio gains ( even tiny ones ) as more important than speed |
| 08:41.29 | herbi | in windows if i click the middle mouse buton (scrollbar thingy) it has an auto scrolling feature...any way to replicate this in linux? |
| 08:41.38 | dark_light | Kevin`, hmmm intersting. but why write 1M of nothing anyway? |
| 08:41.49 | valdyn | ma3x_: dont use rar if you are concerned about speed, try gzip |
| 08:42.01 | ma3x_ | valdyn, but on windows it is so fast |
| 08:42.08 | Kevin` | dark_light well, you have to write something I think, be it just a byte |
| 08:42.24 | Kevin` | not sure about that, but it's the easiest way to do it, with dd |
| 08:42.25 | ma3x_ | valdyn, can gzip split in little archives? |
| 08:42.49 | dark_light | Kevin`, hmm yeah |
| 08:43.19 | Kevin` | gzip can be split up any way you want, provided you assemble them in order as you extract them |
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| 08:43.54 | dark_light | what should be the difference between a tar dvd and a ext2 dvd? maybe the ext2 dvd will be faster because there are a "table of contents" in beggining of fs.. |
| 08:44.05 | Kevin` | (it only needs to read as a stream, beginning to end) |
| 08:44.19 | Kevin` | it will be faster for random access, yes |
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| 08:44.35 | Kevin` | tar will be faster for creating or extracting the whole thing at once |
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| 08:45.00 | dark_light | co |
| 08:45.26 | dark_light | considering that i generally will not have 4.5gb of free space to extract it.. |
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| 08:46.15 | Kevin` | well obviously you can extract only some files from tar, but it will take reading through the whole thing to extract any number of files |
| 08:47.00 | \amethyst | tar has a TOC... the problem is if you have compression |
| 08:47.19 | valdyn | herbi: what has that in windows? firefox? all apps? |
| 08:47.20 | dark_light | toc? |
| 08:47.24 | \amethyst | actually, I guess it doesn't |
| 08:47.31 | \amethyst | since the headers precede the files |
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| 08:48.45 | Kevin` | I shouldn't be here |
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| 08:50.44 | yang | how do i make cron execute a script every 8 hours? |
| 08:51.07 | zms | yang: man 5 crontab |
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| 08:51.52 | dark_light | valdyn, almost all windows apps have this feature.. including firefox/ie. i though firefox on linux would have it, but it haven't Ć³.o |
| 08:51.58 | \amethyst | man 5 crontab: 0 0-23/* * * * |
| 08:52.09 | \amethyst | err |
| 08:52.15 | \amethyst | yang: 0 0-23/8 * * * |
| 08:52.43 | \amethyst | yang: or, even shorter, 0 */8 * * * |
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| 08:54.15 | zms | how do I find out if my system uses OSS or ALSA or something else? |
| 08:54.28 | dotdashandy | I'm not having an y luck with those display drivers |
| 08:54.42 | cahoot | zms: look for /proc/asound (alsa) |
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| 08:56.31 | yang | shall i put 0 */3 * * * ./etc/interfaces/html-ip-vserver2 or without ./ just / |
| 08:56.59 | Martiini | how do I force apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude so that it'll ignore dependencies? Or would I have to use dpkg for it? |
| 08:56.59 | dark_light | yalu, just / |
| 08:57.18 | dark_light | the ./ means "current directory" what is nonsense with cron (i think) |
| 08:57.46 | dark_light | Martiini, i think its -f or --force Ć³.o |
| 08:57.57 | Martiini | wont do :( |
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| 08:58.07 | Martiini | tried -f already |
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| 08:58.35 | crypt_ex | When I try and run apt-get update on this testing machine now, I recieve this error: W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 08:58.44 | crypt_ex | any of you lot come accross this? |
| 08:59.37 | cahoot | crypt_ex: /topic maybe |
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| 08:59.42 | dark_light | Martiini, maybe --force-yes .. ... |
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| 09:01.41 | crypt_ex | cahoot, aha! lol |
| 09:01.44 | dark_light | \amethyst, typing crontab -e and putting 0 6 * * * root backup on a line will execute backup as root every day at 6 o'clock? |
| 09:02.07 | dark_light | \amethyst, i am asking because i was using @daily root backup and it was not working.. |
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| 09:02.43 | yassine | is it possibile that this message "pcmcia: Detected deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage." explains why my wlan card is not working ? |
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| 09:03.13 | \amethyst | dark_light: if you're using the user crontab (even for root), as with crontab -e, you don't include the user name |
| 09:03.34 | \amethyst | dark_light: a line like you typed needs to be in /etc/crontab instead |
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| 09:03.56 | cahoot | dark_light: you want to avoid cron.daily? |
| 09:04.17 | dark_light | cahoot, i don't know about cron.daily |
| 09:04.25 | crypt_ex | I still get the same error after adding the Public key for apt-get? |
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| 09:05.19 | dark_light | cahoot, it's only ln -s /usr/local/bin/backup /etc/cron.daily ? |
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| 09:06.09 | cahoot | dark_light: I just put executable scripts there - suppose symlinks will do to |
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| 09:06.49 | dark_light | cahoot, and, when the script will execute? the system decides? |
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| 09:07.12 | crypt_ex | any ideas why the command that dpkg bot issues out does not work in fixing apt-get update? |
| 09:07.15 | mc__ | how do i see which modules are loaded?(sorry i didnt use debian for a year) |
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| 09:07.23 | cahoot | dark_light: that's defined in /etc/crontab |
| 09:07.48 | crypt_ex | dark_light, or you could manually add your own line using 'crontab -e' |
| 09:07.49 | dark_light | cahoot, :) |
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| 09:08.22 | ratm` | cahoot lsmod |
| 09:08.24 | ratm` | oh sry |
| 09:08.28 | ratm` | mc__ |
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| 09:08.41 | mc__ | ratm`, ah thanks |
| 09:08.58 | blame | does linux have some sort of batch replacing utility to replace certain words and phrases in a large document file? |
| 09:09.07 | yassine | if ifconfig can not see my wireless device how can i make it know in my system please ? |
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| 09:09.16 | crypt_ex | GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E , this is still produced when I add the key from the topic in this channel. Any suggestions? |
| 09:09.24 | Kevin` | O_o |
| 09:09.31 | AirDawg | hrm |
| 09:09.33 | Kevin` | so, how fast are we all, AirDawg |
| 09:09.38 | dark_light | blacke, yes: sed! |
| 09:09.43 | \amethyst | blame: sed, if you know how to use regexps |
| 09:09.43 | dark_light | ops, blame |
| 09:09.48 | AirDawg | Kevin`: dunno how it did that |
| 09:09.55 | AirDawg | macirssi client |
| 09:10.00 | AirDawg | went a bit haywire I guess |
| 09:10.03 | blame | regexps and sed ? |
| 09:10.08 | AirDawg | either that or I typoed a keycombo |
| 09:10.17 | blame | AirDawg, why the ctcp ? |
| 09:10.27 | AirDawg | keycombo typo i'm guessing |
| 09:10.32 | AirDawg | I just connected |
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| 09:10.54 | dark_light | blame, yes, with regexes. you can do sed s/tex_to_be_replaced/text_to_replace/ file.txt i think, i don't know exactly the syntax |
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| 09:11.07 | AirDawg | anyone know if its safe to move up to sid today? |
| 09:11.08 | blame | ok thank you |
| 09:11.28 | AirDawg | seems x11-common or some other package was hosed the other night |
| 09:11.31 | dark_light | the output wil come in standard output, and you can redirect with > |
| 09:11.38 | dark_light | np |
| 09:11.53 | AirDawg | it blew out my xwindows and I was wondering if its fixed today |
| 09:11.55 | \amethyst | blame: if things cross line boundaries, it's a little harder |
| 09:13.32 | AirDawg | is xorg 7.0 working for anyone in unstable tonight? |
| 09:13.41 | yassine | dark_light, you can use this to replace : find /path -type f -exec sed -e "s|word1|word2|g" -i {} \; |
| 09:14.12 | yassine | this will change all occurance of word1 with word2 in /path |
| 09:14.15 | dark_light | yassine, wow, :o |
| 09:14.36 | dark_light | i all files? lol |
| 09:14.43 | yassine | yes |
| 09:14.55 | dark_light | but the one that was looking for it was blame |
| 09:14.58 | yassine | but you can set the full path to one file |
| 09:15.00 | dark_light | but thanks anyway |
| 09:15.04 | dark_light | lol |
| 09:15.12 | yassine | ahh oups |
| 09:15.18 | dark_light | yassine, yes=) |
| 09:15.41 | AirDawg | hrm thats wierd that that ctcp ping thing happened in here cause I had some other wierd thing happen from a mac client in here before too |
| 09:15.42 | yassine | is still did not drink my coffe today dark_light :) |
| 09:15.47 | AirDawg | and iirc it was a different mac client |
| 09:15.53 | liable | chemaja: /topic |
| 09:16.04 | liable | crypt_ex: ^^ |
| 09:16.21 | crypt_ex | liable, I have actioned that command dpkg bot mentions |
| 09:16.31 | dark_light | yassine, heh |
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| 09:16.40 | crypt_ex | liable, I run an apt-get update immediately after and I get the same error message |
| 09:17.14 | liable | crypt_ex: from which repo does the error occur? |
| 09:17.34 | crypt_ex | liable, http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: |
| 09:17.50 | yassine | blame, you can also use the :sub in vi while editing the file |
| 09:18.11 | blame | yassine, ok |
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| 09:19.01 | liable | !tell crypt_ex about secure-testing-master apt-key |
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| 09:19.15 | dotdashandy | what does GRUB error 15 mean? |
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| 09:19.24 | markit | hi, after last dist upgrade in sid, I have the termina that does not accept accents anymore, or some other symbols I use in my language... any clue? |
| 09:20.24 | crypt_ex | liable, that worked! Thanks a lot mate :) |
| 09:20.27 | yassine | i have to reboot my wireless card makes me sucks these last 3 days :s |
| 09:20.32 | liable | crypt_ex: yw |
| 09:20.32 | shark_ | markit, probably the LANG environement variable have change |
| 09:20.37 | liable | dotdashandy: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=122656&highlight=grub+error+collection |
| 09:20.51 | dotdashandy | thankyou liable |
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| 09:22.06 | markit | shark_: how can I tell it's current setting, and how to change? |
| 09:22.37 | markit | I've done some reconfiguration, and I've put the same setting worked before |
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| 09:23.21 | evaded | !beer valdyn |
| 09:23.37 | Martiini | Can I force upgrade from ubuntu (or some other debian derivative) to debian sid? |
| 09:23.50 | evaded | he he, i'm on the good way man ;-) twin view there of my screen |
| 09:23.59 | streuner | !d-i Martiini |
| 09:23.59 | dpkg | Martiini, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 09:24.37 | streuner | Martiini: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:24.42 | liable | !debtakover |
| 09:24.47 | liable | meh |
| 09:24.50 | liable | !deb takover |
| 09:25.02 | liable | bah humbug |
| 09:25.02 | crypt_ex | Would it be hard to use a older version of the tulip module on this Debian testing box? Having problems with use 100Base and have heard on the net that using an older version of this module can help. Would this be hard to implement? |
| 09:25.20 | liable | i wish i could spell.. |
| 09:25.32 | crypt_ex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:26.19 | dotdashandy | okay based off my last install of NV drivers,, they don''t work with my nVidia card.. Should I go with VESA? |
| 09:26.20 | dark_light | Kevin`, http://pastebin.com/662771 , the file created has only 1mb=\ |
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| 09:27.01 | liable | dark_light: http://www.jeepster.org.uk/bits/ext2-iso.html |
| 09:28.04 | liable | crypt_ex: i guess you need an older kernel, or compile an older source package |
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| 09:28.48 | crypt_ex | liable, I have the working module on a Fedora server on my network, do you think I could simply copy it over and plugin it in place? |
| 09:29.03 | liable | crypt_ex: not likely. |
| 09:29.13 | crypt_ex | :( oh worth a thought lol |
| 09:29.33 | dark_light | liable, hmm, i am having problem with the dd command. i don't want to copy all zero bytes to file, i want just a junk file |
| 09:30.03 | dark_light | like a unitialized variable on C |
| 09:30.24 | Kevin` | dark_light try ls -l testfile |
| 09:30.37 | Kevin` | du might actually correctly report space usage |
| 09:31.10 | dark_light | wow |
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| 09:32.45 | ma3x_ | can you use sulphuric acid for cleaning the tap sink or the toillete? |
| 09:33.45 | dark_light | ma3x_, well, i think yes o_O |
| 09:33.57 | markit | in addition, startx fails miserably, telling that can not find twm and xterm ... any clue? if set to boot with X, it shows kdm correctly, if I login as console, startx fails |
| 09:34.02 | ma3x_ | there won't be some bloody reaction? |
| 09:34.20 | liable | ma3x_: only if you dont wash it off the seat :P |
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| 09:34.56 | liable | ma3x_: i think alkaline is generally used for that sort of thing, but this is incredibly OT |
| 09:35.12 | ma3x_ | what's ot? |
| 09:35.15 | nkuttler | ma3x_: just don't pour water into acid. very bad. |
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| 09:35.30 | gnufan | You come to #debian for chemistry advice -- that is OT |
| 09:35.32 | liable | nkuttler: why? |
| 09:35.39 | ma3x_ | nkuttler, I thought to do that, first put some acid into the sink, and then wash it with water |
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| 09:36.27 | ma3x_ | nkuttler, oh yeah of course, I won't add water to the acid bottle |
| 09:36.30 | nkuttler | liable: it's one of the few things i remember from school. just believe me. |
| 09:36.49 | ma3x_ | nkuttler, but first pour out acid , and then wash it with water, works right? |
| 09:37.03 | dark_light | acid + water will not have any effect.. i think.. many acids are selled with water |
| 09:37.20 | nkuttler | just google pour water into acid |
| 09:37.23 | liable | nkuttler: ok, i believe you! |
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| 09:37.44 | dark_light | what is 'pour water'? |
| 09:37.59 | dark_light | pure? |
| 09:37.59 | liable | hot water on draino generally causes an interesting reaction.. |
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| 09:38.00 | ILoveYou1 | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
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| 09:38.00 | ILoveYou16 | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
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| 09:38.02 | ma3x_ | dark_light, probably pouring directly into the acid bottle |
| 09:38.02 | ILoveYou1 | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
| 09:38.03 | Priyanka_Chopra | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
| 09:38.04 | ILoveYou1 | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
| 09:38.04 | Priyanka_Chopra | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
| 09:38.08 | ILoveYou1 | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
| 09:38.08 | Priyanka_Chopra | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
| 09:38.12 | liable | !ops ILoveYou1 |
| 09:38.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: ILoveYou1 |
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| 09:38.15 | dark_light | omfg |
| 09:38.19 | dark_light | UAHHUAHUAAHUHUAHUAHUAUHA!!!! |
| 09:38.20 | simonrvn | ok, wtf is this ... |
| 09:38.25 | gnu77 | lol |
| 09:38.31 | ILoveYou39 | [Feel The Power of %Gangster]ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ/\[DeadBody] |
| 09:38.33 | nkuttler | is it sunday? |
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| 09:38.35 | ma3x_ | the power of gangster |
| 09:38.39 | ma3x_ | yeah its sunday |
| 09:38.42 | gnu77 | the easter Egg *G* |
| 09:38.43 | simonrvn | Madkiss: Priyanka_Chopra ILoveYou1 ILoveYou39 |
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| 09:38.51 | simonrvn | ILoveYou16 |
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| 09:38.56 | simonrvn | Pooja-Bat |
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| 09:39.18 | Eclipser | 0 staff members :< |
| 09:39.21 | liable | rob: you can kline? |
| 09:39.23 | rob | yes |
| 09:39.26 | simonrvn | 2 just joined |
| 09:39.26 | rob | whats going on |
| 09:39.30 | Eclipser | \o/ |
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| 09:39.43 | simonrvn | the nicks i named were crapflooding |
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| 09:39.51 | liable | n=tqeawqv@61.110.110.215 |
| 09:39.59 | Madkiss | rob: Priyanka_Chopra ILoveYou1 ILoveYou39 ILoveYou16 Pooja-Bat |
| 09:40.01 | liable | n=mlugrsn@d47-69-139-103.try.wideopenwest.com |
| 09:40.03 | AirDawg | I'm in the process of upgrading from sarge to etch and I'm getting a bunch of perl local setting failures (altho the local looks ok because its displaying it in a dialog) anyone know if this is gonna be a problem? |
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| 09:40.31 | liable | there gone anyway.. but .. |
| 09:40.57 | Halitherses | how can i determine if my daily cron job ran? |
| 09:41.02 | gnufan | AirDawg: Perl Locale ? Ignore them unless you do a lot of weird language stuff in Perl -- never seemed to cause me a problem |
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| 09:41.13 | simonrvn | syslog entry, and/or cron.log if enabled |
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| 09:41.35 | AirDawg | gnufan: thanks for the response I will =) |
| 09:41.41 | yassine | its working now :D |
| 09:41.49 | yassine | my wireless card workkkk :) |
| 09:42.03 | yassine | its beeen a long long fight :) |
| 09:42.15 | gnufan | Halitherses: it is logged in /var/log, daemon.log by default I think |
| 09:42.34 | Halitherses | tahnsk gnufan |
| 09:42.35 | gnufan | Halitherses: the whole *n?x was is that it will email you if it encounters an error. |
| 09:42.40 | Halitherses | thanks |
| 09:42.44 | gnufan | Halitherses: s/was/way/ |
| 09:43.11 | simonrvn | Halitherses: ^^^ <simonrvn> syslog entry, and/or cron.log if enabled |
| 09:43.18 | Halitherses | I have removed mail |
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| 09:43.46 | simonrvn | and how do you think are you going to get the cron mail? |
| 09:44.15 | Halitherses | I don't |
| 09:44.23 | Halitherses | I thought it would vbe logged |
| 09:44.44 | gnufan | Any news on the Xorg problems in unstable, if I let too many packages build up in unstable, I run out of disk space in "/", currently down to the last 122MB :( |
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| 09:44.58 | markit | ok, putting LANG=it_IT@euro in /etc/environment solved, but before the dist-upgrade, I was able to have the keyboard work properly, and keep the language of the console in english, now seems not to work anymore |
| 09:45.06 | simonrvn | it will. but that doesn't tell you if it worked or not |
| 09:45.33 | dark_light | yassine, congrats:P |
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| 09:47.02 | gnufan | Halitherses: didn't you wonder why you have to install an MTA -- even if it doesn't listen on port 25... Maybe something is writing stuff to /var/spool/mail anyway, inspite of what you've done? |
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| 09:48.21 | Halitherses | gnufan, no didnt |
| 09:48.33 | Halitherses | should i reinstall mail then? |
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| 09:51.51 | XoR | I have a problem with KDE and mysql depends http://channels.debian.net/paste/2364?ln=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
| 09:51.52 | gnufan | Halitherses: sounds like a plan, both exim and postfix packages allow a "local only" type mail install from the dpkg options. |
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| 09:52.57 | gnufan | Halitherses: so just "apt-get install <postfix|exim>" probably get you email back, you might need to reconfigure it "dpkg-reconfigure <package>" if you don't know or like the options you had before. |
| 09:53.11 | crypt_ex | I am thinking about compiling kernel, how will this effect me in the future in regards to apt-get update, or shouldnt it? |
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| 09:54.45 | dotdashandy | what to get... etch or sid... |
| 09:56.20 | Shadowcat | you can't "get" sid |
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| 09:56.31 | markit | this locale management seems a big mess to me |
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| 09:56.43 | dotdashandy | that''s not what the index of /debian--unofficial//sid |
| 09:56.46 | dotdashandy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.57 | Shadowcat | note the unofficial marker |
| 09:57.00 | Shadowcat | !sid |
| 09:57.01 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:57.05 | Shadowcat | !unstable |
| 09:57.05 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 09:57.20 | dotdashandy | well Sarge is too old for my hardware |
| 09:57.23 | dotdashandy | it doesn''t pick any of it up |
| 09:58.11 | markit | mmm if no one cares about problems of Sid, stable will never be stable, I think |
| 09:58.29 | markit | is like ignoring bugs of beta versions, isn't it? |
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| 09:59.00 | iluciv | hi whats the difference between gdm and xgm? |
| 09:59.08 | Shadowcat | that doesn't mean every wannbie in the world should go and run sid |
| 09:59.13 | Shadowcat | because then we'd never get anything done |
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| 09:59.43 | HPS`Fresh | guys, i need a gpg-key |
| 09:59.44 | markit | Shadowcat: mmm that-s also true |
| 09:59.52 | HPS`Fresh | oh |
| 09:59.53 | Shadowcat | HPS`Fresh: READ TOPIC |
| 09:59.57 | HPS`Fresh | sorry. isee ^) |
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| 10:00.02 | Shadowcat | see what I mean? |
| 10:00.11 | Shadowcat | HPS`Fresh is a perfect example of those people |
| 10:00.15 | HPS`Fresh | Shadowcat yea :) |
| 10:00.18 | Shadowcat | and we already have close to 50 a day |
| 10:00.28 | Shadowcat | if everybody ran sid we'd be spending 25 hours a day answering questions |
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| 10:01.45 | dotdashandy | you could''ve just said "don''t get sid"" instead of launching into your whole tantrum//speech |
| 10:02.26 | Shadowcat | "Don't get sid" usually generates at least one why |
| 10:02.26 | markit | Shadowcat: I'm not an expert, but run sid since 3 years or more, and it works fine very often... expecially with bugslist installed and a spare pc to test upgrades before the main pc |
| 10:02.33 | XoR | how can i compile package from source? |
| 10:02.45 | Shadowcat | markit: no actually sadly that constitues expert |
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| 10:02.59 | Shadowcat | if you know how to run sid you have apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges installed |
| 10:03.00 | liable | dotdashandy: sure, and you would have just said 'ok'.. |
| 10:03.03 | dotdashandy | i would''ve just said "ok". All i'mm trying to do is move rom Knoppix to something a bit nicer,, Knoppix annoys me sometimes |
| 10:03.16 | markit | Shadowcat: but sometime I think packages are put in sid without mugh testing, and I'm in troubles |
| 10:03.20 | dotdashandy | liable you dont know me either so don''t make judgements |
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| 10:03.36 | Shadowcat | markit: I have a policy of not installing any packages with bugs in them |
| 10:03.51 | Shadowcat | dotdashandy: so that makes you different from the 50 or so a day in here |
| 10:04.04 | Shadowcat | btw, knoppix is based off sid |
| 10:04.10 | Shadowcat | but it's not really made to be installed |
| 10:04.11 | markit | Shadowcat: last xorg installation did not reported known bugs, AFAIR, but broke my system |
| 10:04.14 | dotdashandy | knoppix 3.9? |
| 10:04.18 | liable | dotdashandy: apologies if you would have actually said that. We get many that dont and it turns into a shitfight in the end more often than not. |
| 10:04.22 | Shadowcat | markit: you should have read the topic |
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| 10:04.30 | dotdashandy | i run a very old knoppix distro |
| 10:04.43 | robin_sz | Shadowcat: what .. NO bugs?? coo. nice if you can get it. |
| 10:04.44 | dotdashandy | I don''t even think it was 3.9 |
| 10:04.46 | markit | Shadowcat: I come here AFTER the system broke, since buglists told nothing wrong with the upgrade |
| 10:04.49 | dotdashandy | it may have been 3.2 |
| 10:04.59 | Shadowcat | markit: also use common sense |
| 10:05.00 | Shadowcat | come on |
| 10:05.03 | Shadowcat | it's XOrg 7 |
| 10:05.07 | Shadowcat | things WILL break |
| 10:05.18 | Shadowcat | that said I ran OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta off Experimental for ages |
| 10:05.27 | dotdashandy | and seeing as I got Sarge in it's pre--release days and that was AFTER I got knoppix,, somehow i doubt that my knoppix is based off sid |
| 10:05.27 | liable | dotdashandy: if its for a desktop, get the etch d-i |
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| 10:05.28 | Shadowcat | but I beta tested that extensively |
| 10:05.49 | Shadowcat | you still don't understand the concept of sid |
| 10:05.56 | Shadowcat | knoppix is always based off a snapshot of sid |
| 10:05.58 | dotdashandy | liable:: I think i'll just stick with sarge.. Who cares if it has o video drivers and i can''t launch a desktop manager |
| 10:06.04 | Shadowcat | so are the majority of debian based distros |
| 10:06.12 | dotdashandy | Shadowcat ow long has sid been around |
| 10:06.25 | Shadowcat | you STILL don't get the bloody concept |
| 10:06.30 | Shadowcat | SID is a development tree |
| 10:06.35 | Shadowcat | it's ALWAYS around |
| 10:06.42 | liable | dotdashandy: not me. i use it for my server |
| 10:06.43 | Shadowcat | and it changes faster than most people breathe |
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| 10:07.12 | pinucset | can it be dangerous to upgrade? ( i use unstable and i'm seeing lots of things related to xorg and problems...) |
| 10:07.13 | iluciv | hi gdm and xdm whats the difference? |
| 10:07.27 | Shadowcat | pinucset: read the fucking topic |
| 10:07.42 | Shadowcat | including the url |
| 10:07.58 | liable | badda bing! |
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| 10:08.42 | markit | Shadowcat: ok, so the problems is that sid is so stable that most people are tempted to use it, and when it brokes, everyone is screaming |
| 10:08.43 | dotdashandy | Shadowcat:: Well excuse me for not knowing every little thing about fucking sid that you obviously do. |
| 10:08.55 | liable | dotdashandy: but funnily enough, sarge works perfectly on my laptop with a desktop too! go figure. |
| 10:09.11 | Terminus | at least nobody's asking about experimental. =D |
| 10:09.17 | dotdashandy | liable:: it''s my graphics card drivers that aren''t letting it run properly |
| 10:09.34 | Shadowcat | markit: it's stable if you know what you are doing |
| 10:09.35 | liable | dotdashandy: and vesa and vga both fail? |
| 10:09.42 | dotdashandy | I'm doing VESA right now |
| 10:09.46 | Shadowcat | but sid kernels break everytime there's a new kernel release for example |
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| 10:09.51 | Terminus | iluciv: gdm is the gnome desktop manager, xdm is the one that's bundled with X. |
| 10:09.58 | dotdashandy | i haven''t done VGA,,but the NV drivers were no go |
| 10:09.58 | markit | Shadowcat: so if someone newbie wants something up to date and reasonable stable, has to go to other distro? |
| 10:10.24 | Shadowcat | markit: anything that's reasonably up to date will always be outdated |
| 10:10.27 | Shadowcat | it doesn't matter what you run |
| 10:10.31 | dotdashandy | why I bother with debian is beyond me |
| 10:10.32 | Shadowcat | Windows at this stage is five years old |
| 10:10.39 | liable | markit: etch is *reasonably* stable (ie its not too broken most of the time and not that far behing sid) |
| 10:10.43 | iluciv | Terminus:thanks never seen xdm before (first timer net install etch) |
| 10:10.57 | Shadowcat | if you use gentoo and try to emerge xorg 7.0 (and I have) |
| 10:11.04 | Shadowcat | it might take you several days to get a working configuration |
| 10:11.06 | Shadowcat | get over it |
| 10:11.14 | Shadowcat | this is development, it's not supposed to work |
| 10:11.23 | liable | dotdashandy: so dont use it. why beat youself around the head? |
| 10:11.25 | Shadowcat | anything that's production ready is obsolete |
| 10:11.31 | Shadowcat | every good engineer knows that |
| 10:11.37 | Terminus | iluciv: generally, gdm or kdm looks better. they're the GUI login screens you see on the X VT. :) |
| 10:11.39 | dotdashandy | liable:: because fedora 3 install hangs on my system now and won''t work |
| 10:11.55 | Shadowcat | so go install a copy of Ubuntu |
| 10:11.57 | Shadowcat | or use Etch |
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| 10:12.01 | Shadowcat | or Fedora Core 5 |
| 10:12.02 | Braindead | dotdashandy: there's fedora 5 out there. and Ubuntu too ... |
| 10:12.06 | liable | dotdashandy: so, you have hardware thats a bitch and you blame debian? |
| 10:12.13 | dotdashandy | i don''t BLAME debian at all |
| 10:12.18 | Shadowcat | or, umm... SuSe Open Desktop, Mandriva |
| 10:12.20 | Braindead | blame canada! |
| 10:12.21 | dotdashandy | i acknowledge that 'm using an old build |
| 10:12.28 | markit | Shadowcat: ok, I'm not criticizing debian, a distro I love, just I'm surprised about how little problems it gave me in the past, but how many there are when something bigger (i.e. ABI compatibility) changes... after your explaination is more clear to me, thanks |
| 10:12.44 | k31th | Wat program can i use to test for weak/blank passwords etc on my boxes ? |
| 10:12.53 | Halitherses | i have installed postfix, how do i now read my local mail? |
| 10:12.55 | dotdashandy | furthermore my hardware isn''t a bitch |
| 10:12.57 | dotdashandy | it''s just new |
| 10:13.06 | Shadowcat | dotdashandy: how new exactly? |
| 10:13.09 | lnc | !screen |
| 10:13.09 | dpkg | screen is, like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 10:13.16 | liable | dotdashandy: anyway, if you cant get the card working with vesa or vga, theres something amiss |
| 10:13.25 | dotdashandy | (er)) than my debian disks.. I downloaded a 64 bit Sarge net install disk earlier and it doesn''t want to pick up either of my networking cards |
| 10:13.39 | Shadowcat | you STILL haven't told us what hardware it is |
| 10:13.57 | liable | 64 has rather old kernels i think. |
| 10:14.02 | dotdashandy | my board is a LanParty UT nF3 Ultra-D with an Athlon 64 3700+ |
| 10:14.24 | Eulex | dotdashandy, also, the amd64 release ain't a real stable release. |
| 10:14.26 | Shadowcat | finally something we can work with |
| 10:14.26 | liable | dotdashandy: have you asked in the 64 channel? |
| 10:14.32 | HPS`Fresh | Shadowcat hm... it says "HKP fetch error: eof" |
| 10:14.42 | Shadowcat | and that works with etch |
| 10:14.46 | Shadowcat | albeit in 32-bit mode |
| 10:14.49 | dotdashandy | liable:: frankly I didn''t know there WAS a 64 channel |
| 10:14.55 | Shadowcat | it'll run on etch-64 too |
| 10:14.58 | Eulex | dotdashandy, also, what's the chipset of those network card? |
| 10:15.08 | Shadowcat | Eulex: nvidia |
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| 10:15.18 | Shadowcat | don't even need to ask |
| 10:15.27 | Shadowcat | I have nforce4 boxes here and they're running fine |
| 10:15.37 | dotdashandy | so what are you saying,, i should get Etch |
| 10:15.40 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, hmm, ok, that mobo has two built-in network cards? |
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| 10:15.49 | Shadowcat | Eulex: marvel chips then |
| 10:15.52 | liable | dotdashandy: maybe a bit of homework may have helped. I havent read the 64 docs, but i would imagine they tell you that there is a channel for it. |
| 10:16.15 | dotdashandy | liable:: I got Sarge today because it said stable next to it,, and that''s all that mattered to me |
| 10:16.23 | dotdashandy | whether or not i could RUN it or not |
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| 10:16.49 | dotdashandy | I dislike unstable things because if i'm in the middle of work and the whole OS goes down well quite obviously that shits me |
| 10:16.57 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 10:17.00 | Shadowcat | unstable doesn't do that |
| 10:17.02 | Eulex | dotdashandy, again, sarge-amd64 is not a real stable release; it just recently got added as a release arch to etch |
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| 10:17.12 | Shadowcat | it'll just refuse to boot when you upgrade the kernel every two weeks |
| 10:17.17 | Shadowcat | other than that it's all fine |
| 10:17.20 | dotdashandy | Shadowcat:: ah,, right.. Well I didn''t know that |
| 10:17.27 | dotdashandy | I don''t upgrade kernels anyway,, it''s over my head |
| 10:17.36 | Shadowcat | or, it'll kick you into a console when X breaks |
| 10:17.38 | dotdashandy | liable:: VESA worked |
| 10:17.41 | Shadowcat | which happens a few times a year |
| 10:17.44 | dotdashandy | i have the gnome login window now |
| 10:17.49 | Shadowcat | don't forget pam errors |
| 10:18.00 | dotdashandy | it doesn''t look very nice,, but it''s running |
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| 10:18.08 | Shadowcat | go run this until you know more about the debian world |
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| 10:18.15 | liable | dotdashandy: thats default for gnome.. |
| 10:18.22 | zms | cahoot: I do have oss subdir in /proc/asound .. so it's oss. I installed alsa-source and built the module using module-assistant but lsmod doesn't show any alsa module. |
| 10:18.29 | taha | hi |
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| 10:18.51 | Shadowcat | liable: we should really create #debian-newbies |
| 10:18.52 | taha | i am having trouble interfacing a serial device at ttyS3 |
| 10:19.01 | dotdashandy | I have Ubuntu 5 somewhere |
| 10:19.06 | liable | dotdashandy: btw, you have a keyboard repeat problem. |
| 10:19.15 | zms | currently I have to run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices to create /dev/dsp for sound to work. :-( |
| 10:19.15 | k31th | or could just learn how a system works, you will need to eventually anyway |
| 10:19.20 | dotdashandy | liable:: yes,, i know.. it seems to be only punctuation,,and it only does it in Colloquy |
| 10:19.27 | Shadowcat | k31th: that requires reading |
| 10:19.33 | liable | Shadowcat: hah! who will be able to remain sane more more than a week? |
| 10:19.37 | k31th | Shadowcat: of corse |
| 10:19.44 | k31th | Debian has good docs tbh |
| 10:19.48 | Shadowcat | liable: I supported WinME for over three years |
| 10:19.54 | Shadowcat | and I'm still here |
| 10:19.55 | liable | oh dear |
| 10:20.08 | k31th | Shadowcat: you wat ? |
| 10:20.15 | Shadowcat | I survived it, so basically I can survive anything |
| 10:20.19 | taha | ttyS0 and ttyS1 are supporting the user-space driver |
| 10:20.31 | liable | Shadowcat: ok, well, i wish you luck! :P |
| 10:20.31 | k31th | how could anyone use that for 3 years |
| 10:20.47 | Shadowcat | k31th: I didn't use it for three years |
| 10:20.51 | Shadowcat | I supported it for three years |
| 10:20.55 | Shadowcat | I was on win2k the whole time |
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| 10:21.29 | k31th | and i wont be doing that when i get a Nvidia card |
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| 10:21.32 | Shadowcat | you don't need Windows to play cs |
| 10:21.47 | k31th | Shadowcat: ATI card drivers blow in linux. |
| 10:21.55 | markit | if you create a newbie channel, and only newbies go there, no one will get help, and no one will go there anymore |
| 10:22.08 | Shadowcat | I also op #linux-noob over at efnet |
| 10:22.09 | liable | hint.. #ubuntu.. |
| 10:22.11 | Shadowcat | works fine |
| 10:22.31 | liable | thats why we get so many ubuntu-ites in here. |
| 10:22.40 | blaheva | what is cs? |
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| 10:22.48 | k31th | its a game. |
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| 10:22.53 | liable | lots of new users, no one with knowledge] |
| 10:22.59 | Shadowcat | well 90% of the people in ubuntu/fedora/suse/mandriva would be helpless if we knocked out X |
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| 10:23.01 | k31th | indeed |
| 10:23.06 | nkuttler | blaheva: depends on the context |
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| 10:23.18 | pertu | hi all. how can i find which programs use resolv.conf. i've made a mistake on the nameserver address and now that i've correct it somehow it gets overwritten with the old one. |
| 10:23.20 | Eulex | !cs |
| 10:23.20 | dpkg | it has been said that cs is computer science , or counter strike |
| 10:23.38 | liable | pertu: dhclient prolly overwrites it |
| 10:23.45 | markit | if we want GNU/Linux usage to spread, this is the price... more newbis, more X dependant, but it;s fine, just different |
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| 10:24.00 | blaheva | x blows |
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| 10:24.20 | Shadowcat | I want Torvalds to merge X into the kernel or something |
| 10:24.28 | Shadowcat | the way Windows does it is a lot more elegant |
| 10:24.30 | k31th | wtf. |
| 10:24.34 | liable | who wants it to spread? i just want it more betterer, with more shits :) |
| 10:24.35 | Shadowcat | that way you can't knock yourself out of a gui |
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| 10:24.57 | mc__ | Shad0wcat, are you drunk? |
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| 10:25.09 | k31th | Shadowcat: that comment was plain stupid |
| 10:25.16 | initech | dri is in the kernel, isn't that enough? |
| 10:25.33 | danboid | What is the fastest booting Debian-based distro? |
| 10:25.36 | pinucset | Shadowcat youve really said a stupid think |
| 10:25.37 | blaheva | !drunk |
| 10:25.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, drunk is BLARGH!!! |
| 10:25.48 | initech | danboid: the one with nothing installed |
| 10:25.53 | Shadowcat | too bad this is the reaction you get from most linux regulars |
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| 10:25.55 | mc__ | merging things like X into the kernel is against the spirit of unix |
| 10:26.04 | liable | dpkg: you want to reboot many times a day? |
| 10:26.05 | Shadowcat | mc__: maybe not X specifically |
| 10:26.08 | blaheva | initech!hahah!!! |
| 10:26.10 | Eulex | danboid, how would we know? we only do vanilla debian. |
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| 10:26.12 | Shadowcat | but you need a basic platform independent GUI |
| 10:26.24 | Shadowcat | that does more than framebuffer |
| 10:26.31 | bony | i have just upgrade my system and i lost x |
| 10:26.35 | mc__ | Shad0wcat, KGI/CGI |
| 10:26.40 | Eulex | bony, TOPIC |
| 10:26.40 | bony | this is a debian sid system |
| 10:26.41 | Shadowcat | bony: read the fucking topic |
| 10:26.43 | liable | bony: welcome to sid |
| 10:26.59 | blaheva | please place $1 in the swear jar |
| 10:27.04 | Shadowcat | mc__: err? |
| 10:27.11 | mc__ | Shadowcat, QT runs on top of the framebuffer and gtk does also afaik |
| 10:27.17 | k31th | jesus, wats happeneing to this channel. |
| 10:27.24 | mc__ | Shadowcat, google for KGI |
| 10:27.32 | bony | so is this not the place were in i can ask quesions related to x problems in debian sid ? |
| 10:27.35 | Shadowcat | k31th: a full week of the same damn question about X does that to you |
| 10:27.38 | Eulex | mc__, well, you need more than that. maybe a windowing system? ;) |
| 10:27.38 | liable | k31th: have you read the fable? |
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| 10:27.54 | Shadowcat | mc__: QT and GTK do not run without X |
| 10:27.57 | Shadowcat | it's as simple as that |
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| 10:28.04 | bingo | just another question about xorg7, the bugs will be corrected? |
| 10:28.04 | initech | bony: no you can, but complaining about sid is not popular here :) |
| 10:28.17 | liable | bingo: yes. |
| 10:28.19 | mc__ | Shadowcat, that is simply not true |
| 10:28.26 | k31th | debian users wanting to have X windows in the linux kernel ? |
| 10:28.26 | Shadowcat | mc__: then give me a link |
| 10:28.30 | bony | initech so were should i go can you give me the proper channel so that i can join it |
| 10:28.30 | markit | bony: you are in the middle of a nervous debate about newbies and sid... |
| 10:28.32 | liable | bingo: of course, you think they will leave it broken? |
| 10:28.34 | Shadowcat | because all I get when I google KGI is stuff from Korea |
| 10:28.43 | mc__ | Shadowcat, wait a moment |
| 10:28.46 | bony | oo ok |
| 10:28.52 | bingo | liable, so it's better to wait befor a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:29.10 | mc__ | Shadowcat, http://www.kgi-project.org/ |
| 10:29.11 | liable | bingo: if you dont know what to do when it breaks. yes. |
| 10:29.31 | bingo | how can I know when it's good to install xorg7? |
| 10:29.33 | lnc | how come i can't change my host when i: hostname my.host.blah.net |
| 10:29.39 | lnc | do i have to restart? |
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| 10:29.51 | liable | bingo: when its in etch |
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| 10:29.54 | bony | is there a channel for sid ? |
| 10:29.55 | Shadowcat | lnc: yes |
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| 10:30.11 | Shadowcat | mc__: thanks |
| 10:30.14 | liable | bony: what. you want a newbies channel for sid? |
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| 10:30.17 | mc__ | Shadowcat, np |
| 10:30.19 | Shadowcat | now integrate that into the kernel |
| 10:30.20 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 10:30.31 | bingo | liable, how many time do you think it will take? |
| 10:30.35 | EnnaN | hi :) |
| 10:30.35 | Shadowcat | hahaha newbie channel for sid |
| 10:30.52 | bingo | liable, I'am new to sid :-D |
| 10:30.56 | mc__ | Shadowcat, http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9024868021.html |
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| 10:31.02 | EnnaN | anyone in particular i can bother a bit about mdadm (raid configs) ? |
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| 10:31.13 | initech | lnc: the full dns domain name is the one returned in dns. "hostname" can only change the hostname |
| 10:31.14 | mc__ | Shadowcat, thats an artivle about usin gtk+ on the framebuffer *Without* X |
| 10:31.22 | nkuttler | bony: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:31.25 | bony | liable i just upgrade my system. its a debian sid system. Xorg got upgrade to 7 from 6.9 and when i give this command "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" it did not work |
| 10:31.28 | Shadowcat | mc__: now I'm just waiting for QT to get there |
| 10:31.33 | lnc | initech: then what should i do? |
| 10:31.33 | blaheva | !smoke |
| 10:31.33 | dpkg | No Im trying to quit. or see also magic smoke |
| 10:31.43 | mc__ | Shadowcat, it is also there |
| 10:31.51 | evaded | !shit |
| 10:31.52 | dpkg | from memory, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
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| 10:31.58 | evaded | coooooolll :-) |
| 10:32.02 | lnc | ^^ LOL |
| 10:32.05 | initech | lnc: change the dns along with the hostname (or /etc/hosts as appropriate) |
| 10:32.05 | mc__ | Shadowcat, do you want anythin more? |
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| 10:32.15 | Shadowcat | mc__: where's the link for that? |
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| 10:32.45 | liable | bony: yes. sid breaks horribly sometimes. a lot of the time it is ok. right now it is broken. do as nkuttler said, and /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 10:32.51 | mc__ | Shadowcat, google |
| 10:32.54 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 10:33.07 | Shadowcat | mc__: but I'm guessing KDE and gnome don't support framebuffer directly yet |
| 10:33.08 | Shadowcat | right? |
| 10:33.21 | bony | liable and nkuttler thanks for your help |
| 10:33.26 | bony | i will check that |
| 10:33.28 | mc__ | Shadowcat, dunno |
| 10:33.59 | markit | bony: in a private window, I can tell you what I did |
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| 10:34.00 | initech | Shadowcat: I think FB (for X) is mostly for non intel machines. I haven't seen it work worth a crap on i386 |
| 10:34.01 | lnc | initech: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost abcdefg |
| 10:34.07 | lnc | this is whats in /etc/hosts |
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| 10:34.10 | lnc | the first line |
| 10:34.12 | EnnaN | hmm, just tossing it in here: i set up a raid, created the array with mdadm, made a filesystem om the /dev/md0, and put it in the fstab. but the raid doesnt 'assemble' automaticly, so i can do an 'mdadm -A /dev/md0' after boot and then mount, but that should obviously be done automaticly, shouldn't it? i could ofcourse put it in a startscript, but that would be .... a hack... anyone any ideas? |
| 10:34.36 | bony | markit how to start a PM in bitchx in text terminal ? |
| 10:34.44 | liable | EnnaN: are the partitions raid autodetect? |
| 10:34.44 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.46 | initech | lnc: that's not right ... nothing should be aliased to localhost .. make a separate line for "abcdefg" and it's ip address |
| 10:34.52 | Kevin` | (bony) |
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| 10:35.14 | markit | bony: don't know, I-ve called you so you should have already a new window open somewhere |
| 10:35.21 | latiri | hi all. i have a problem installing sarge on a Dell Dimension 515O machine. The installer (even with linux26) can't detect the network hardware (which is a motherboard built-in Intel pro/100 VE). When prompted to manually select the module, choosing "e100" does not solve the problem. It asks for additional parameters (irq,...) unkown to me. please help ! |
| 10:35.32 | bony | markit just a sec |
| 10:35.38 | EnnaN | @liable: .. i don't know exactly what you mean? i put the config in the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, and the command 'mdadm -A /dev/md0' assembles it. so it would seem so, yeah |
| 10:35.54 | lnc | initech: should i edit that? |
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| 10:36.19 | lnc | oh nm |
| 10:36.21 | vaq | How can i install proftpd with mysql support (net/proftpd) |
| 10:36.23 | lnc | i think im gettin it |
| 10:36.29 | liable | EnnaN: http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 10:36.40 | initech | lnc: yes, the next line should be like: <ip address> abcdefg.full.domain.name abcdefg |
| 10:37.02 | lnc | ip of me or the subdomain? |
| 10:37.10 | initech | vaq: apt-get install proftpd-mysql |
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| 10:37.49 | initech | lnc: the ip address of it's network interface |
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| 10:38.11 | lnc | oh ic |
| 10:38.27 | EnnaN | @liable: well, i made the raids, and they were there in the mdstat. but they dissapeared after rebout, and i had to assemble (not create) them again |
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| 10:38.36 | Eulex | latiri, tried an etch installer or sarge with a 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 10:38.39 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 10:38.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 10:38.43 | mortal__ | is unstable ok yet? |
| 10:38.43 | fredl | hi, anybody know of any decent interior design software on Linux? |
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| 10:38.51 | Eulex | mortal__, no |
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| 10:39.17 | EnnaN | @fredl: nope, sry |
| 10:39.18 | Halitherses | I'm having problems with my flash drive |
| 10:39.22 | liable | EnnaN: congratulations on failing to actually read wht that page was explaining. |
| 10:39.23 | Halitherses | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/exhd1 |
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| 10:39.26 | initech | fredl: just curios, what would "interior design" software do? |
| 10:39.32 | Halitherses | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 10:39.38 | liable | design interiors! |
| 10:39.40 | mc__ | anyone installed Rails? |
| 10:39.43 | mc__ | it doesnt work for me |
| 10:39.49 | Halitherses | /proc/scsi# ls -al |
| 10:39.53 | XoR | libdbd-mysql-perl depends on libmysqlclient15 [UNAVAILABLE] |
| 10:40.06 | Halitherses | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 16 20:37 device_info |
| 10:40.07 | Halitherses | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 16 20:37 scsi |
| 10:40.11 | Johnny_5 | how hard would it be to put debian on a laptop? |
| 10:40.22 | liable | !laptop |
| 10:40.22 | Kevin` | I use debian on a laptop |
| 10:40.22 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 10:40.24 | Kevin` | it was easy |
| 10:40.34 | fredl | initech - I'd like to model my home and see how it would look when I put other colors in, other textures, furniture etc. |
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| 10:41.09 | initech | fredl: you could do that in blender! it would only take a few years ... |
| 10:41.20 | fredl | yeah that's exactly the problem :) |
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| 10:41.42 | initech | fredl: but really, you know colors don't match from computer screen to the paint on the walls |
| 10:41.46 | EnnaN | @liable: doesn't compute. it says. do the create: i did. it says if you encouter blah (which i didnt, so i don't have to use mknod)...then it should be in your mdstat. which it is. than you adjust your fstab, which i did. i dod not edit my liloconf because 1) i use grub, and 2) i'm not booting from it. then it says rebooting. i did that and it didn't re-assemble(?) my /dev/md0 |
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| 10:42.02 | fredl | initech - I know. But it'd be good to get a first impression. |
| 10:42.37 | liable | EnnaN: yes, reread point 2 |
| 10:42.41 | Kevin` | I think it'd be easier to take a photo of the area in question and edit that |
| 10:42.48 | fredl | initech - similar with garden design. Even diehard Linux geeks get older, get homes etc. :) |
| 10:42.56 | initech | yeah. I just painted my place, had to paint over a few "color mistakes" myself ... it gets expensive |
| 10:43.01 | mortal__ | !info xserver-xorg sid |
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| 10:43.11 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.11 (sid), Packaged size: 123 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
| 10:43.18 | wlnet | hi |
| 10:43.43 | XoR | xor:/tmp# mkswap /dev/sdc1 => Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 509927 kB => no label, UUID=8685eede-f07a-443f-b7e6-cfbfe2805760 => xor:/tmp# swapon /dev/sdc1 => swapon: /dev/sdc1: Invalid argument |
| 10:44.13 | fredl | I have a beautifull attic with many windows in it, lots of light. The previous owners must've barely used it but I'd really like to preview somehow what neat things I can do to it. |
| 10:44.31 | zms | I installed alsa-source on debian sid. used module-assistant to build and load the module but it doesn't appear in lsmod. I |
| 10:44.34 | zms | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.44 | latiri | Eulex, I tried sarge with a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 10:44.51 | liable | EnnaN: in case you somehow fail to actually get the bit i am talking about.. The advantages of "Linux raid autodetect" are that you don?t need a raid config file and the kernel assembles the raid devices upon boot automatically. |
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| 10:44.55 | zms | am I even looking for the right module - lsmod | grep -i alsa ? |
| 10:45.05 | XoR | !info mysql-server-5.0 sid |
| 10:45.12 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 21002 kB, Installed size: 45360 kB |
| 10:45.39 | EnnaN | @liable: for that part: both the drivers are off type FD, so then yeah, they are autodetect |
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| 10:45.50 | XoR | !info mysql-server-5.0 etch |
| 10:45.59 | Serial | you cant flood is #flood channel please.. |
| 10:46.00 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.19-3 (etch), Packaged size: 20977 kB, Installed size: 44984 kB |
| 10:46.05 | Serial | or www.pastebin.com |
| 10:46.07 | Serial | thanks |
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| 10:46.27 | rohan | hi al .. |
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| 10:46.46 | wlnet | 'oracle for linux' is >200MB. why is it so big compared to mysql? does the size gives any indication of the performance? |
| 10:46.55 | dererk | Serial, good boy |
| 10:47.03 | rohan | what is the package name for firefox plugins for mplayer ? |
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| 10:47.15 | Serial | hehehe |
| 10:47.21 | Serial | i know :P |
| 10:47.23 | fredl | wlnet - it has a lot of tools and add-ons coming with it |
| 10:47.24 | liable | mozilla-mplayer |
| 10:47.27 | wlnet | rohan: mplayerplug-in |
| 10:47.27 | Serial | debian etch very nice :D |
| 10:47.33 | dererk | rohan, mozilla-mplayer |
| 10:47.49 | fredl | wlnet - if you want to install it, make sure to have enough memory |
| 10:47.56 | dererk | dpkg, find mozilla-mplayer |
| 10:47.56 | liable | EnnaN: paste your fdisk output for each disk |
| 10:47.57 | fredl | wlnet - it kicks ass though |
| 10:47.58 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 3.25-3 (sid), Packaged size: 456 kB, Installed size: 1576 kB |
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| 10:48.11 | rohan | dererk, wlnet : it tres to install stupid mozilla suite ! |
| 10:48.19 | wlnet | fredl: how much would be enough? |
| 10:48.31 | fredl | wlnet - make sure to have at least 1G RAM |
| 10:48.49 | dererk | rohan, "tres" ? |
| 10:48.55 | dererk | what's that? |
| 10:49.03 | lnc | any info on when is etch becoming stable? |
| 10:49.09 | rohan | dererk, wlnet : it tries to install stupid mozilla suite ! |
| 10:49.13 | liable | !wwer |
| 10:49.13 | wlnet | fredl: r u serious? not many machines would have that amount of mem. |
| 10:49.13 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 10:49.18 | EnnaN | @liable: /dev/sda1 1 36483 293049666 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 10:49.28 | rohan | lnc: 6th dec. this year, i read on distrowatch |
| 10:49.34 | EnnaN | @liable:/dev/sdb1 1 36483 293049666 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 10:49.34 | lnc | ic |
| 10:49.35 | dererk | lnc, It supposed at the end of the year, but I'm not in a hurry :P |
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| 10:49.44 | fredl | wlnet - you're talking industrial strength database server..... |
| 10:50.13 | wlnet | fredl: isn't mysql industrial? yahoo is using it. |
| 10:50.29 | liable | EnnaN: and your fstab and grub all point to md0? |
| 10:50.31 | dererk | Indeed |
| 10:50.34 | fredl | wlnet - ever go to Yahoo!'s message boards? |
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| 10:50.49 | dererk | lol |
| 10:50.56 | wlnet | fredl: what about it? |
| 10:50.59 | dererk | fredl, good one buddy |
| 10:51.05 | dererk | wlnet, It's very slow |
| 10:51.08 | liable | EnnaN: btw, dont use @ every time you talk to me. |
| 10:51.14 | fredl | wlnet - mysql kicks ass too BTW, but it just ain't Oracle. |
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| 10:51.34 | EnnaN | liable: fstab says: /dev/md0 /raid auto defaults 0 2 ....but there is nothing in my grub, since i do not boot from it or anything. it is a backup. and stopping the @ buisiness |
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| 10:51.44 | fredl | wlnet - and mysql development seems to be going very fast, very steady. |
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| 10:51.47 | wlnet | fredl: wouldn't mysql be fast with 1G mem? |
| 10:52.05 | wlnet | with 1G mem, anything can be fast. |
| 10:52.11 | Gathond | wlnet: as an absolute rule no |
| 10:52.13 | fredl | wlnet - it's not just about speed. It all depends on what you want to do with a database. |
| 10:52.35 | Gathond | wlnet: memory usage of a DB is basically dependent on the working data sets size |
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| 10:52.52 | wlnet | fredl: agree. so, what are the things that oracle can but not mysql, do? |
| 10:52.54 | zms | wlnet: you can try Oracle with even 512mb.. just size your SGA accordingly. |
| 10:52.58 | Gathond | or at least performance wise, 1G is probably great for normal usage though |
| 10:53.00 | liable | EnnaN: put your fstab on a paster |
| 10:53.17 | wlnet | zms: sounds more like it. |
| 10:53.56 | EnnaN | liable: complete file? |
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| 10:54.12 | liable | EnnaN: just the raid line will do i spose |
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| 10:54.22 | liable | EnnaN: here if its just the one line |
| 10:54.28 | fredl | wlnet - gosh wlnet, too many things to mention. The most important for me is job opportunities :) |
| 10:54.32 | EnnaN | liable: i just did :) |
| 10:54.33 | fredl | *grin* |
| 10:54.34 | EnnaN | liable: |
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| 10:54.43 | liable | EnnaN: um, whats the fs type?? |
| 10:54.43 | dado_ | hi all, mounting a ufs partition results in "ufs_read_super: bad magic number". does anybody know a fix for that problem? |
| 10:54.47 | EnnaN | liable:/dev/md0 /raid auto defaults 0 2 |
| 10:54.58 | fredl | rest assured, if you learn Oracle, you'll have plenty of work the next couple of decades. |
| 10:55.01 | EnnaN | liable: ext3 |
| 10:55.12 | zms | wlnet: can even do in 256mb if you size SGA and willing to take lots of swapping. |
| 10:55.49 | fredl | well oracle XE runs fine on my laptop with 512Mb |
| 10:56.08 | fredl | so it's not THAT big of a performance impact if you just wanna play with it. |
| 10:58.10 | fredl | zms - you ever messed with tora? |
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| 10:58.45 | zms | fredl: no. what's that? |
| 10:58.50 | liable | EnnaN: so after reboot the array isnt running? |
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| 10:59.10 | fredl | zms - quite a nice little tool. It's based on TOAD but free for Linux use. |
| 10:59.15 | fredl | you know toad? |
| 10:59.40 | EnnaN | liable:nope. but a quick 'mdadm -A /dev/md0' and then mount /dev/md0 /raid/ does the trick. i don't have to recreate anything |
| 10:59.44 | zms | fredl: ok. checking out. but, I suspect this discussion in this channel is inappropriate. |
| 11:00.06 | zms | fredl: join me in #oracle |
| 11:00.36 | kingsley | What's the command the reveals which port numbers are being used by certain servers? |
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| 11:00.52 | EnnaN | kingsley: netstat? |
| 11:01.17 | liable | EnnaN: do you have mdadm-raid in /etc/rcS.d ? |
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| 11:02.35 | EnnaN | liable: yep, pointing to ../init.d/mdadm-raid |
| 11:02.58 | liable | EnnaN: dunno then. |
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| 11:03.24 | liable | kingsley: netstat |
| 11:03.38 | EnnaN | @liable: to bad, but thanks for thinking along. now i still consider just putting a startupscript there that reassembles the raid |
| 11:03.43 | EnnaN | liable: sorry for the @ |
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| 11:04.15 | liable | EnnaN: read the startup script and see what you can figure |
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| 11:06.31 | EnnaN | liable: already at it ;) |
| 11:06.47 | xomhau | which soft for transparency window? |
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| 11:09.59 | phretor | hi there |
| 11:10.50 | xomhau | anyone,which soft for transparency window? |
| 11:10.56 | liran | just got deb unstable on a 1u dell server which is dual core but /proc/cpuinfo is showing only 1. i remember that to work with dual core technology the smp kernel package is a must. right? |
| 11:11.48 | EnnaN | xomhau: i just don't get you. what do you mean? |
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| 11:12.03 | ajdlinux | liran: yes, use an smp kernel |
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| 11:12.37 | phretor | I am not able to use the gnome frequency scaling/throttling applet - it says that "You will not be able to modify the frequency of your machine. Your machine may be misconfigured or not have hardware support for CPU frequency scaling." - But I am able to throttle via command line (as root) echoing the state into /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling" |
| 11:12.39 | phretor | any suggestion? |
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| 11:12.51 | liran | im currently working with 2.6.15-1-486 and the only package close to what i need is this one: linux-image-2.6.16-1-686-smp, is this ok ajdlinux? |
| 11:13.44 | ajdlinux | liran: yep its fine |
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| 11:13.49 | EnnaN | apart from my non-starting raid: i just apt-gettet a new kernel, but anything above 2.6.8 does "waiting for root filesystem" when i boot. did i miss some configuration for udev or something? |
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| 11:14.13 | liran | ok thanks |
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| 11:14.22 | ajdlinux | liran: you're welcome |
| 11:15.34 | _edwin_ | hi ppl |
| 11:15.42 | EnnaN | hi |
| 11:15.45 | phretor | hi |
| 11:15.48 | _edwin_ | vnc4server uninstallable after xorg upgrade |
| 11:15.54 | _edwin_ | It depends on xserver-common |
| 11:16.00 | _edwin_ | but xserver-xorg replaces xserver-common |
| 11:16.09 | _edwin_ | which package should I file a bug for? |
| 11:16.27 | _edwin_ | xserver-xorg, provides:xserver-common; or vnc4server should not depend on xserver-common? |
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| 11:17.16 | phretor | no one with my problem? |
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| 11:17.33 | k31th | Decent video encoder witha gui ? |
| 11:17.42 | _edwin_ | could somebody explain why you also have to: provides: foo, if you do replaces: foo? |
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| 11:17.52 | EnnaN | @prethor: nope, sry |
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| 11:18.09 | ajdlinux | _edwin_: probably so other packages that depend on foo are redirected |
| 11:18.31 | phretor | EnnaN, I think it's a permission related problem - but everything under /proc should be of root:root - isn't it? |
| 11:18.35 | ajdlinux | replaces only tells dpkg to overwrite the other package i think |
| 11:18.54 | kingsley | How may xvncviewer be stopped gracefully? |
| 11:19.12 | Kevin` | vncserver -kill :display ? |
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| 11:20.25 | rohan | hi all |
| 11:20.27 | EnnaN | @phretor: don't know much about it, but not everyting in my /prco is |
| 11:20.43 | rohan | after installing qt4 on debian sid, whats the method to "switch" to qt4 profile ? |
| 11:20.49 | phretor | EnnaN, what about /proc/acpi stuff's permission? |
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| 11:21.38 | rohan | i mean, using "qmake" will use qt3 right ? |
| 11:21.51 | rohan | how do i 'tell' it to use qt4 stuff ? |
| 11:22.15 | simonrvn | EnnaN: please don't use prefix your messages with @ |
| 11:22.27 | simonrvn | @of what species art thou |
| 11:22.30 | ravenbird | Bottus debianus sp. corax |
| 11:22.49 | EnnaN | what's with you all hating that '@' ... just trying to be clear to whom i speak... |
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| 11:23.00 | EnnaN | i'll try |
| 11:23.33 | EnnaN | phretor ( note hte missing 'at') -> acpi is a dir afaik, an d it does: (dr-xr-xr-x 4 root root 0 2006-04-16 13:14 acpi) |
| 11:23.38 | EnnaN | at my box |
| 11:25.01 | phretor | EnnaN, dunno what's wrong on my machine - being able to scale via the command line should imply to be able to scale via any applet. Isn't it? |
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| 11:25.23 | EnnaN | phretor: i really don't know, never scaled, don't use applets :( |
| 11:25.34 | EnnaN | phretor: but it seems to me it should |
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| 11:26.53 | xomhau | re hi, if ./configure with error : |
| 11:26.57 | xomhau | checking for eprintf in -lerror... no |
| 11:26.57 | xomhau | configure: error: This library is needed. |
| 11:27.07 | xomhau | what package need install? |
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| 11:28.36 | npx | What's new in Xorg 7.0? |
| 11:28.48 | evaded | xomhau: No enougth informations i guess for the others ;-/ |
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| 11:29.00 | petrock | hello |
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| 11:29.17 | petrock | how do i prevent gimp from saving history? tanks |
| 11:29.41 | xomhau | evaded, i want install transparency-0.1.151-src . and got this error when run ./configure |
| 11:29.47 | npx | petrock, just out of curiosity, why would you want to? |
| 11:30.06 | evaded | xomhau: I looking on Google to see what it could be are ... |
| 11:30.30 | petrock | npx, privacy |
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| 11:32.25 | petrock | sorry, wrong channel, im dumb |
| 11:32.49 | npx | haha, it happens |
| 11:32.58 | Broxtor | Hi, I just tried to install Debian etch b2. Installation goes well, but after reboot Grub gives error 17 and halts. How can I fix that? |
| 11:33.18 | ajdlinux | Broxtor: somehow I remember getting that once |
| 11:33.21 | npx | petrock, fwiw, I think privacy is best implemented as access control, have you considered using an xdm/kdm/gdm and locking your screen? |
| 11:33.44 | ajdlinux | Broxtor: try booting into rescue mode off a cd and running grub-install again |
| 11:33.50 | npx | i only suggest using *dm so people can't crtl+alt+backspace out of your X session and end up at a command prompt |
| 11:33.51 | phretor | here I provided some info about my ACPI problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RHVBeB81.html - I hope someone could help me - thanks! |
| 11:34.22 | Broxtor | ajdlinux: I have done the netinstall. Can I start rescue mode from that cd? |
| 11:34.40 | Kevin` | npx they'd still have to login at the command prompt, by default, no? |
| 11:34.53 | Kevin` | not too hard to disable even that, but not smart |
| 11:35.01 | npx | Nah, with kdm/xdm/gdm they'd have an X login prompt that'd dump them to their Xsession |
| 11:35.02 | _edwin_ | so I should file a bug against vnc4server? |
| 11:35.04 | ajdlinux | broxtor: dunno, never used the netinst disc - but you can try |
| 11:35.15 | petrock | npx, the gimp im trying to secure is on xp :), i know, very wrong channel |
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| 11:35.22 | Broxtor | ajdlinux: ok. Thanks. I will give it a try. |
| 11:35.26 | ajdlinux | broxtor: all I remember is disc 2 of woody was what had it, can't remember sarge or etch |
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| 11:40.31 | [lain] | hi all |
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| 11:41.47 | evaded | xomhau: I have talk a bit with my bot, but he find that 'eprintf' in many files. |
| 11:42.48 | Broxtor | Well, I've made some progress. Grub shows the menu now. But when I choose to boot the system I get the error message saying it can't mount the partition. |
| 11:43.12 | Broxtor | It's installed on a SATA disk. Is that a problem? |
| 11:43.21 | ajdlinux | Broxtor: sata may be a problem... |
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| 11:44.04 | ajdlinux | Broxtor: also check that grub's root command matches with the root commandline option to the kernel |
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| 11:44.37 | Broxtor | ajdlinux: I'm afraid you lost me there.... |
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| 11:45.43 | ajdlinux | Broxtor: press 'e' when you boot and note down the 'root' line and the 'kernel' line |
| 11:47.49 | Broxtor | ajdlinux: root (hd1,6) |
| 11:48.15 | rob | umm.. what do we use for an sshd? |
| 11:48.19 | ajdlinux | ok, so what's the root option on the kernel line? |
| 11:48.19 | Broxtor | ajdlinux: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-486 root=/dev/sda7 |
| 11:48.42 | petrock | i'm running gdm, but i have xdm and another *dm installed, can i uninstall these other *dm's without breaking anything? |
| 11:48.44 | ajdlinux | ok |
| 11:48.48 | rob | openssh-server-udeb? |
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| 11:49.00 | ajdlinux | so check the grub docs for what a scsi drive should be |
| 11:49.17 | ajdlinux | and then use the 'e' command to edit the root line |
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| 11:49.33 | cahoot | Broxtor: maybe /boot/grub/device.map can be of use |
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| 11:50.00 | ajdlinux | Broxtor: if all else fails: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub may be useful |
| 11:50.03 | nkuttler | rob: apt-cache show ssh, udebs are for the installer only |
| 11:50.06 | Broxtor | ajdlinux: ok, I will have a look at it. |
| 11:50.14 | Broxtor | cahoot: What can I do with it? |
| 11:50.35 | ajdlinux | Broxtor: read it i guess |
| 11:50.41 | cahoot | Broxtor: might tell you what devices grub thinks you have |
| 11:50.41 | Zup_ | Hi everybody |
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| 11:50.50 | ajdlinux | Zup_: hi |
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| 11:51.04 | rob | nkuttler, oh thanks, its all in one package now? |
| 11:52.05 | Zup_ | I've got a problem with a "stuck" package... can anyone help me? |
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| 11:52.41 | nkuttler | rob: actually, ssh only pulls in the server and client |
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| 11:53.05 | jli | nkuttler, only? what else would it pull in? |
| 11:53.07 | rob | nkuttler, anything else I need? |
| 11:53.46 | ajdlinux | Zup_: which package? |
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| 11:53.57 | ajdlinux | Zup_: running sid? |
| 11:54.16 | Zup_ | mozilla-thunderbird-locale-es, on a Debian 3.1 AMD64 |
| 11:54.18 | nkuttler | rob: ah, forget what i said. i was looking at a backport |
| 11:54.34 | rob | heh cool |
| 11:54.44 | ajdlinux | Zup_: what errors? |
| 11:54.46 | Zup_ | I'm trying to upgrade, but it keeps saying that pre-removal script fails |
| 11:54.54 | ajdlinux | ok |
| 11:55.02 | Zup_ | apt-get doesn't help nor dpkg -P |
| 11:55.18 | nkuttler | Zup_: fix the script, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 11:55.36 | Broxtor | ajdlinux: cahoot: Thanks for help. It's booting now. hd(1,6) should have been (hd0,6). |
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| 11:55.38 | ajdlinux | sudo nano /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-thunderbird-locale-es.prerm |
| 11:55.53 | ajdlinux | searched bts? |
| 11:56.18 | Zup_ | I'm not in Debian... what I'm looking for in the script? |
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| 11:56.33 | ajdlinux | whatever doesn't look right |
| 11:56.56 | ajdlinux | Broxtor: didn't notice that actually. makes sense |
| 11:57.12 | Zup_ | ah... thanks... |
| 11:57.35 | ajdlinux | Zup_: how fluent are you in shell scripting? |
| 11:58.11 | Zup_ | Poor withouth a good book. Medium with a SVR5 handbook |
| 11:58.25 | ajdlinux | got internet access on debian? |
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| 11:58.50 | Zup_ | Text-mode only... I screwed xwindows, but it's easier to fix |
| 11:59.04 | ajdlinux | got w3m or links? |
| 11:59.09 | ajdlinux | or fix xwindows |
| 11:59.12 | Zup_ | lynx, yes |
| 11:59.21 | ajdlinux | w3m's cool |
| 11:59.28 | ajdlinux | use that and use google |
| 11:59.43 | Zup_ | Yes, I'll try as soon as possible |
| 11:59.45 | nkuttler | Zup_: put a set -x on the second line of the script and see what line fails |
| 12:00.11 | ajdlinux | Zup_: do what nkuttler said, it'll reveal some stuff |
| 12:00.16 | Zup_ | set -x |
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| 12:00.40 | Zup_ | If that tells me the line, that's all I need ;) |
| 12:00.46 | ajdlinux | ok |
| 12:00.58 | Zup_ | Thanks you all... |
| 12:01.06 | ajdlinux | Zup_: welcome |
| 12:01.23 | ajdlinux | Does anyone know approx how long it takes to compile SVN KDE? |
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| 12:01.32 | Zup_ | bye |
| 12:01.50 | cahoot | ajdlinux: lots of people in #gentoo do - I'd guess |
| 12:02.24 | ajdlinux | I'm trying and it's taking awfully long just for Qt, but I guess Qt is very very big and marge larger than gtk |
| 12:02.32 | ajdlinux | s/marge/much/ |
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| 12:08.42 | ajdlinux | guys on #gentoo said it took one of them 45mins on an athlon 2700+ with 1g ram just for qt |
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| 12:09.51 | jli | yup... that's pretty much why gentoo was unbearable for me ;) |
| 12:10.01 | ajdlinux | ok |
| 12:10.06 | ajdlinux | recompiling everything |
| 12:10.20 | ajdlinux | jli:ever read kernel panic(the comic)? |
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| 12:10.42 | Ecade | but is it that much faster? to use gentoo? |
| 12:10.43 | jli | ajdlinux, nope, never heard of it |
| 12:10.57 | ajdlinux | well |
| 12:11.02 | jli | Ecade, I didn't really feel a difference. maybe... |
| 12:11.13 | Ecade | hmm |
| 12:11.29 | npx | bruce lee pwns your faces |
| 12:11.50 | ajdlinux | look at http://uberosft.net/kpanic |
| 12:11.53 | ajdlinux | look at http://ubersoft.net/kpanic |
| 12:12.01 | ajdlinux | there's a joke about gentoo in there |
| 12:13.32 | jli | ajdlinux, reading :) |
| 12:13.50 | ajdlinux | cracked up laughing when they mentioned the paperclip |
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| 12:15.26 | ajdlinux | jli: especially read the three after http://www.ubersoft.net/kpanic/d/20050504.html |
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| 12:15.49 | ajdlinux | this is why debian rulz and gentoo sux ;) |
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| 12:18.18 | petrock | where's the gentoo joke? |
| 12:18.28 | initech | i tried gentoo, but chuck norris kicked my ass back to debian |
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| 12:18.52 | petrock | ah |
| 12:18.56 | petrock | got it |
| 12:19.36 | ajdlinux | summary: people don't really care how optimised their fileserver software really is |
| 12:19.44 | ajdlinux | they just want it to work! |
| 12:21.01 | jli | ajdlinux, that was awesome :) |
| 12:21.12 | npx | http://www.ubersoft.net/kpanic/d/20050608.html I think this one is more on-topic |
| 12:21.33 | ajdlinux | debian sarge? yeah, right |
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| 12:22.53 | petrock | hah |
| 12:23.09 | ajdlinux | what about etch?? |
| 12:23.28 | ajdlinux | just take the original release timetable and add a year :P |
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| 12:25.35 | ajdlinux | hmm..#debian seems less active around this time |
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| 12:25.55 | Ronin | dont jinx it |
| 12:26.02 | jli | haha |
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| 12:27.53 | Eulex | ajdlinux, even though it actually is sunday |
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| 12:28.31 | ajdlinux | it was more active 1hr ago imho |
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| 12:29.47 | petrock | it's easter man |
| 12:29.53 | petrock | people are finding eggs |
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| 12:30.13 | tim_flatus | Eulex, even though it actually is Easter sunday |
| 12:30.14 | jli | ah, right, that |
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| 12:30.40 | ni1ptr | under deb3.1 where is the config stored that determines what modules are loaded in what order? |
| 12:30.48 | Eulex | tim_flatus, even so, yeah |
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| 12:31.00 | ajdlinux | ni1ptr: ls /etc/modules |
| 12:31.02 | tim_flatus | I just compiled my first ever kernel. I just wanted you all to know that. |
| 12:31.16 | tim_flatus | It installs, now to see if it boots. |
| 12:31.26 | jak | Hello, I'm trying to install a package fail2ban. My apt/sources.list file mentions various 'sarge' repositories. I thought that 'sarge' was the same as testing, and fail2ban is in testing, and yet it doesn't find it. Any ideas why not? |
| 12:31.39 | ni1ptr | ajdlinux: hm, on my system there are a boatload of mods loaded without them being specified in there |
| 12:31.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:31.41 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:31.41 | Ronin | sarge=stable testing=etch |
| 12:31.42 | Eulex | ni1ptr, usually hotplug and discover loads modules automatically. you can however add modules in the order you want in /etc/modules and blacklist modules |
| 12:31.45 | Eulex | !modules |
| 12:31.45 | dpkg | it has been said that modules is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant |
| 12:31.48 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 12:31.49 | dpkg | from memory, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 12:32.53 | ni1ptr | Eulex: thanks |
| 12:32.58 | Eulex | ni1ptr, yw :) |
| 12:33.05 | jak | ah, sarge is actually stable |
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| 12:33.33 | Eulex | jak, indeed |
| 12:33.39 | Eulex | !tell jak about releases |
| 12:33.55 | ESPOiG | if i write up a basic script for people who cant be bothered typing all the commands, in Terminal or whatever but i want to see if everything worked as is with the Terminal windows closing when it finished (obviously run in Terminal) is there a command or a way to do it? |
| 12:33.59 | jak | thanks Eulex |
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| 12:34.16 | tarzeau | ESPOiG: sleep? |
| 12:34.27 | tarzeau | ESPOiG: and echo $? ? or do your own checks? |
| 12:34.39 | ESPOiG | tarzeau: what? |
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| 12:36.15 | tim_flatus | Wish me skill. |
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| 12:41.40 | ni1ptr | Eulex: config all modded, time to find out the trueth, out for a reboot |
| 12:41.53 | Eulex | ni1ptr, good luck |
| 12:41.57 | Eulex | :/ |
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| 12:46.58 | bwlang | what's a good tool to use for merging a dpkg-dist file with my local file? I could use merge - but it's not really easy. |
| 12:48.01 | bwlang | hmm - quiet in here - that's strange. Everybody at church or something? |
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| 12:51.20 | npx | church? hah! |
| 12:51.37 | npx | im trying to get as hammered as possible before 8am |
| 12:51.46 | blaheva | what happens at 8am? |
| 12:51.51 | blaheva | !hammered |
| 12:52.00 | npx | nothing, i just chose it arbitrarily |
| 12:52.36 | npx | one has to set goals =D |
| 12:52.37 | blaheva | so the world isn't going to end or christ isn't going to be resurrected |
| 12:52.37 | blaheva | i feel ripped off |
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| 12:52.37 | Eulex | bwlang, yeah, ain't it strange |
| 12:52.54 | npx | hey man, im not saying any of the above won't happen |
| 12:52.56 | npx | but if they do |
| 12:53.04 | npx | i probably won't notice |
| 12:53.11 | blaheva | that's best |
| 12:53.13 | blaheva | :) |
| 12:53.19 | ibroadfo | what does "+b1" as a version number prefix mean? |
| 12:53.24 | bwlang | Eulex: i was even surprised by the 5 minute delay to my church comment ;) |
| 12:53.25 | npx | beta1? |
| 12:53.26 | ibroadfo | s/pre/post/ |
| 12:54.31 | ibroadfo | is it to do with binary uploads? |
| 12:55.01 | [lain] | i don't remimber if with apitude i can install from a file |
| 12:55.07 | [lain] | with dpkg i can do |
| 12:55.18 | [lain] | but apt i don't remimber :( |
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| 12:55.46 | blaheva | anyone got any experience with linuxvnc |
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| 12:55.58 | bingo_ | hi, how many time will it take to see xorg7 on testing? |
| 12:56.23 | npx | it'd be best if you just forgot about xorg 7 |
| 12:56.27 | cahoot | bingo_: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
| 12:56.31 | npx | that way when it arrives it'll be a pleasant surprise |
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| 12:57.11 | bingo_ | will we have the same problems of unstable in testing? |
| 12:57.21 | bingo_ | for xorg7 |
| 12:57.21 | eject_ck | How do I create a custom install CD with my own pakages? |
| 12:57.24 | npx | no, that's the point of unstable bingo |
| 12:57.30 | npx | to work out those problems |
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| 12:58.28 | crocd | what is the best kernel to upgrade to for 2.6 for debian? |
| 12:58.43 | blaheva | 2.6b1? |
| 12:58.43 | mortal__ | latest |
| 12:58.54 | ibroadfo | ok, +bX seems to be binary-only rebuilds |
| 12:59.09 | bingo_ | for my unstable box, can I do a dist-upgrade now or it's better to wait, and how many time? |
| 12:59.17 | eject_ck | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.16.5.tar.bz2 |
| 12:59.22 | ibroadfo | I was confused because I couldn't find changelogs, but that's because the source hasn't changed. :) |
| 12:59.30 | mortal__ | bingo_: 2 times |
| 13:00.41 | bingo_ | mortal__, sorry for my bad english, I want to says: how can I know when it's good to do a dist-upgrade without problems? |
| 13:00.48 | blaheva | i use debian on a sparc (console only - i use vnc for x), what console programs do people find useful |
| 13:00.50 | bony | hey dose any one know about this error while starting gdm "Could not init fot path element unix/:7100, removing from list!" |
| 13:00.57 | zl2tod | bingo_ if your xorg is still working then wait |
| 13:01.03 | mortal__ | bingo_: apt-listbugs |
| 13:01.07 | mortal__ | bingo_: use the bts |
| 13:01.10 | nostalg1c | what's a good livecd to do system recovery from |
| 13:01.20 | nostalg1c | my debian sys disk has some problems :) |
| 13:01.27 | cahoot | bony: x font server not running or not on that socket |
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| 13:01.39 | bingo_ | apt-listbugs says to me some corrected bug but no problems with xorg7 |
| 13:01.45 | bony | cahoot, can you suggest me on how to fix it ? |
| 13:02.02 | plb | eh anyone get xorg 7 working? I upgraded but it doesn't appear to be working |
| 13:02.03 | [lain] | i don't find amule for debian |
| 13:02.16 | [lain] | with apt-get and aptitude |
| 13:02.18 | bony | cahoot, and how to check weather xfont is running or not ? |
| 13:02.29 | cahoot | bony: if you don't pla to serve fonts to other boxes I'd suggest verbatim FontPaths |
| 13:02.57 | bony | plb, i too am facing the same problem |
| 13:03.01 | bingo_ | [lain], apt-cache search amule |
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| 13:03.16 | plb | bony: is it something about fixed font not being able to load? |
| 13:03.17 | cahoot | bony: pgrep xfs |
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| 13:03.24 | bingo_ | [lain], apt-get install amule |
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| 13:03.32 | bony | plb, exactly |
| 13:03.34 | zl2tod | p1b, bony: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 13:03.46 | plb | zl2tod: I can't even get in x to read that |
| 13:03.47 | plb | =\ |
| 13:03.52 | zl2tod | lynx ;) |
| 13:03.56 | plb | blah |
| 13:04.01 | zl2tod | ohyes |
| 13:04.02 | bony | cahoot, this is the out put 6023 6027 |
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| 13:04.07 | blaheva | that's 1/2 my name don't wear it out |
| 13:04.14 | plb | zl2tod: can't you just tell me? =) |
| 13:04.26 | cahoot | bony: so it's running |
| 13:04.32 | plb | hrm I don't even appear to have xorgconfig |
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| 13:04.44 | bony | cahoot, yes |
| 13:04.47 | zl2tod | if I had it working I would tell you |
| 13:04.52 | plb | heh |
| 13:04.57 | plb | bony: whats it say? =) |
| 13:05.10 | tim_flatus | *Sigh* there is something reassuring about making obvious mistakes. |
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| 13:05.18 | crocd | thanks eject_ck |
| 13:05.27 | plb | hrm now we just need compiz /xgl =) |
| 13:06.03 | [lain] | bingo_: apt-get install amule .... not work |
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| 13:06.32 | iluciv | Hi can someone point me in the direction of good source.list examples for a modern day debian system |
| 13:06.42 | iluciv | i.e etch |
| 13:07.20 | bingo_ | [lain], what version of debian do you use? |
| 13:07.44 | cahoot | bony: ls -la /tmp/.font-unix/ |
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| 13:08.41 | plb | so has anyone gotten xorg 7.0 up and running? |
| 13:08.56 | bingo_ | [lain], amule is not in sarge |
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| 13:09.52 | Mnabil | hello , i can't mount my Nokia phone through usb |
| 13:09.55 | bony | plb, there is lot of info about this prob on the link which zl2tod gave check it out |
| 13:09.59 | Mnabil | ehat gonna i do ? |
| 13:10.15 | zl2tod | p1b: looked at syslog while you start the display manager ? |
| 13:10.21 | plb | bony: is there a fix? I need to get this problem fixed I got schoolwork |
| 13:10.52 | bony | plb, Just check in this link http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 13:11.28 | Ronin | iluciv: apt-setup |
| 13:11.36 | [lain] | bindo_ i use sarge |
| 13:11.59 | [lain] | amule is in unstable version |
| 13:12.20 | wlnet | can i attach files to #flood or do i have to cut-and paste? |
| 13:12.32 | plb | bony: got the fix....change font path to /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
| 13:12.37 | iluciv | Ronin: I'm meaning more along the lines of media codecs etc |
| 13:12.39 | plb | works now |
| 13:12.45 | kronoz | er, for some reason i can not type apostraphes, ie no idea why, my keyboard layout is gb, it has been so sine i installed debian (etch) yesterday |
| 13:12.59 | kronoz | *i have |
| 13:12.59 | [lain] | see you later |
| 13:13.09 | [lain] | i'm going to eat :D |
| 13:13.10 | [lain] | bye |
| 13:13.42 | wlnet | i have to discuss my problem with some log files. what is the best way to do it? |
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| 13:13.50 | leonhunt | when installing the xserver, you can't start it without also installing xfonts-base... why doesn't the xserver then depend on xfonts-base in apt? |
| 13:14.08 | Shadowcat | leonhunt: READ the topic |
| 13:14.24 | flosch | hi all |
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| 13:14.42 | Shadowcat | !leonhunt-- |
| 13:14.57 | Shadowcat | !karma Shadowcat |
| 13:14.57 | dpkg | shadowcat has karma of 1 |
| 13:15.01 | Shadowcat | heh |
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| 13:15.38 | wlnet | what does a karma of 1 mean? |
| 13:16.01 | Ronin | means he has to work at it :) |
| 13:16.01 | iluciv | Is there a how-too around about setting up media codec in testing at all?? |
| 13:16.01 | Shadowcat | !karma Ronin |
| 13:16.01 | dpkg | ronin has neutral karma |
| 13:16.02 | dvs | wlnet: People liked what Shadowcat did once |
| 13:16.08 | Shadowcat | Ronin: says you |
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| 13:16.13 | Shadowcat | I got higher karma than you |
| 13:16.14 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 13:17.06 | evaded | Shadowcat: I also want to know how to get an karma? Need we do somethings or so? Or is that you'e 1year here? |
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| 13:17.33 | dvs | evaded: you need to do something people really liked |
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| 13:17.38 | leonhunt | Shadowcat: this also holds true for xserver-xfree86 in Sarge? |
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| 13:17.57 | evaded | dvs: sucks??? Sorry, i guess lol ;-) |
| 13:17.58 | bengrubb | hey i have a question for you guys: i am updating my sources.list "vi /etc/apt/sources.list" and adding things such as... deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main and then saving "wq" and then doing "apt-get update" but getting the error: "connection timed out" its got a straight link to the net any ideas? |
| 13:18.26 | bengrubb | p.s tried many sources |
| 13:18.29 | evaded | bengrubb: Post you're source.list on pastebin?? |
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| 13:18.45 | iluciv | try another debian source like goldweb |
| 13:18.45 | bengrubb | mirrors* |
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| 13:18.59 | RoyK | anyone using nagios around here? |
| 13:19.02 | TraceGreen | Hello, what is /dev/ram, /dev/ram0, /dev/ram1 in linux? |
| 13:19.04 | spoopin | bengrubb: are you sure your nic is properly configured? |
| 13:19.17 | asg | RoyK: 44 people in #nagios |
| 13:19.18 | bengrubb | thats what im thinking |
| 13:19.26 | evaded | dvs: You not like it :-( |
| 13:19.36 | spoopin | asg: sup.. |
| 13:19.37 | evaded | dvs: It was a joke man ;-) |
| 13:19.44 | asg | spoopin: hiya |
| 13:19.46 | bengrubb | im thinking of a way to test it should i just use wget and try summin |
| 13:19.51 | dvs | evaded: you got to do something way better than that. |
| 13:20.00 | asg | bengrubb: 1st, try pinging an ip address like '166.82.1.3' |
| 13:20.01 | RoyK | asg: 44 idle people |
| 13:20.01 | iluciv | I've found at lot of the aussie servers in the install list Stable are down |
| 13:20.12 | asg | bengrubb: if that works, then you need to add nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:20.16 | RoyK | asg: also, i beleive this is only the nagios plugins that come with debian |
| 13:20.24 | evaded | dvs: Yes, i know. Like it's sunday, not really good weather out, so i need to be are happy :-) |
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| 13:20.38 | asg | RoyK: then post your question or problem and if we can help, we will. |
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| 13:20.51 | zl2tod | leonhunt: the font server and the xserver need not necessarily be on the same machine |
| 13:20.53 | bengrubb | lol i dont think i added nameservers oops but do i need em when i have a dns locally? |
| 13:21.01 | leonhunt | !karma leonhunt |
| 13:21.01 | dpkg | leonhunt has neutral karma |
| 13:21.10 | asg | bengrubb: you still need to point to your local dns server |
| 13:21.17 | SNow | hey all, I want to ask you one question, I have installed gcc make, but when I'm making something e.g psybnc eggdrop it turns out errors, eggdrop says that it cannot make executables |
| 13:21.21 | SNow | what could be wrong? |
| 13:21.35 | leonhunt | zl2tod: oh I see, thx |
| 13:21.37 | asg | SNow: install build-essential |
| 13:21.39 | bengrubb | ok so without that dns setup it wont work? |
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| 13:21.57 | SNow | thankyou very much asg |
| 13:21.58 | dvs | bengrubb: name resolving won't work, no |
| 13:22.02 | bengrubb | i.e doesnt auto configure |
| 13:22.19 | evaded | bengrubb: /etc/resolv.conf?? |
| 13:22.41 | bengrubb | kk im editing now |
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| 13:23.50 | asg | !wb gravity |
| 13:23.51 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! gravity has returned! |
| 13:24.02 | gravity | uh oh |
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| 13:24.10 | Shadowcat | quick everybody look busy |
| 13:24.14 | Shadowcat | maybe he'll go away |
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| 13:24.32 | iluciv | anyone know of a how-to for installing media-codecs in oder to play most types of media files in debian (etch) |
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| 13:24.45 | Shadowcat | just go and install mplayer |
| 13:24.46 | Shadowcat | done |
| 13:25.17 | iluciv | can you get mplayer through normal sources.list sources |
| 13:25.25 | bony | i have edited xorg.conf file as instructed in the link http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 but when i start gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm restart the error is |
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| 13:25.56 | bony | GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/ |
| 13:25.57 | MrNaz | how do you get the system's time zone |
| 13:26.06 | bony | Error: Command could not be executed! |
| 13:26.11 | asg | MrNaz: cat /etc/timezone |
| 13:26.15 | bengrubb | i did "vi /etc/resolv.conf" and its got search nameserver 192.168.0.1 (which is my local dns as in my router is that enough or does it need external ones like my isp's? |
| 13:26.19 | bony | Please install the X server or correct GDM configuration and restart GDM |
| 13:26.33 | TraceGreen | Hello, how can i see my ramdisk size? |
| 13:26.42 | asg | TraceGreen: df |
| 13:26.44 | bony | TraceGreen, free |
| 13:26.48 | asg | TraceGreen: provided you've mounted it |
| 13:27.08 | dvs | bengrubb: if your local one goes out to the ISP's to get external names then nothing else is needed |
| 13:27.10 | iluciv | Shadowcat: Hi sorry but can you get the mplayer through normal sources.list or do you need a need url for the mplayer?? |
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| 13:27.34 | Coweater | !tell iluciv -about marillat |
| 13:27.42 | bengrubb | ok well it does so what else could be the problemo |
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| 13:27.49 | iluciv | Coweater: ta |
| 13:27.54 | TraceGreen | bony, free? |
| 13:27.57 | bengrubb | oh ill try pinging first |
| 13:28.12 | evaded | I have set my computer to use 2 monitors. Work nice, im happy. Just that tvtime no more work with my /etc/X11/Xfree86Config'. Tvtime complain now : http://pastebin.com/663045 I know a bit what's going wrong |
| 13:28.12 | zl2tod | bony: yeah /usr/X11R6/bin/X doesn't exist - it kills kdm too ... docs say /usr/X11R6/bin/ should be empty but I think someone needs to tell kdm and gdm |
| 13:28.18 | TraceGreen | bony, which one stands for ramdisk? |
| 13:28.19 | bengrubb | yep works i pinged "google.com" |
| 13:28.25 | gravity | bony: What does /etc/X11/X point to? |
| 13:29.38 | bony | gravity, when i give that command x starts but with 3 terminals and xcolock thats it nothing else |
| 13:29.51 | bony | TraceGreen, free is a command to know the ramdisk space |
| 13:30.02 | gravity | bony: Yes... but what does that point to? |
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| 13:30.03 | bony | TraceGreen, i thing you mean RAM space isn't it |
| 13:30.06 | zl2tod | gravity: in my case /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 13:30.20 | gravity | zl2tod: That's what it should point to, but it can point to the wrong thing |
| 13:30.22 | zms | Suddenly debian has stiopped loading modules for network card, vmware, ext2 and vfat. I was fiddling with ALSA and OSS, also installed xkb-data and set up FIREFOX_DSP=aoss But I doubt if those things have anything to do with it. I am on 2.6.14-2. Any clues? |
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| 13:30.46 | gravity | gdm should be using /etc/X11/X. kdm should be using the same. If it's using /usr/X11R6/bin/X then that's wrong |
| 13:30.57 | evaded | Like my resolution is now 2560x1024. So i try to do 'tvtime --inputwidth 800x600' but im not sure that's the good syntax, and like it not works with it i guess no |
| 13:31.12 | TraceGreen | bony, oh, no. but thanks anyway. |
| 13:31.16 | RoyK | asg: it's just a faulty nagios plugin, it seems. the new from nagiosplugs worked, so apt-get remove --purge nagiosplugs :) |
| 13:31.19 | bony | zl2tod, exactly but how to tell were is the proper location of x located ? |
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| 13:31.25 | prudhvi | bony, Yo! |
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| 13:31.36 | bony | prudhvi, hey dude |
| 13:31.45 | mc__ | Is it possibly to install XGL on debian? |
| 13:31.47 | bony | prudhvi, it's cool to see you in here |
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| 13:32.01 | bengrubb | hmm im confused... i can ping external addresses but cant update my sources these are my sources: deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 13:32.01 | bengrubb | deb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 13:32.01 | bengrubb | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 13:32.05 | prudhvi | bony, this is where i always hangout :) |
| 13:32.18 | prudhvi | bony, btw, whats worrying you? |
| 13:32.19 | bony | prudhvi, is it i never knew |
| 13:32.23 | dvs | bengrubb: then one of those servers is probably no good |
| 13:32.33 | bony | prudhvi, it's all about xorg7 |
| 13:32.40 | evaded | On the website of tvtime there are no many informations of 'Cannot allocate enough off-screen video memory.' and on the web. It's because there are not enought memory for the video card. That card have 128MB and the system 1024MB. So that's not the problem |
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| 13:32.46 | bony | prudhvi, can you fix it just log on to my sys man |
| 13:32.46 | prudhvi | bony, PM |
| 13:32.49 | bengrubb | ive tried a few though ive even tested on a windows machine and dtp'ed em |
| 13:32.52 | bony | ok |
| 13:32.54 | asg | bengrubb: try using http:// instead of ftp:// |
| 13:32.58 | prudhvi | bony, sure |
| 13:33.15 | bengrubb | ok *ben tries* |
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| 13:36.29 | evaded | Someone an idea? I try many thinkgs like 'tvtime -v --inputwidth=800' i try to find the good syntax. I think this is the good one <-- |
| 13:36.38 | evaded | But also not working |
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| 13:37.31 | stouset | Anyone else having all opened windows maximized in sid? |
| 13:37.33 | tim_flatus | Anyone know a quick way of looking up a text string of my processor type from the cpuinfo numbers? |
| 13:37.44 | evaded | But, im dump, it's the output i need to fix, not the input :-/ |
| 13:37.53 | stouset | tim_flatus: grep on model name |
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| 13:38.06 | bony | gravity, i did not get you about what you were saying that is " What does /etc/X11/X point to?" |
| 13:38.07 | reto_ | "The default keyboard layout selection for the Xorg server will be based on a combination of the language and the" great.. configuring it again.. |
| 13:38.30 | tim_flatus | stouset, thanks. |
| 13:38.32 | reto_ | I'm so fed up with the x11/xorg debconf shit.. |
| 13:38.33 | gravity | bony: readlink /etc/X11/X |
| 13:38.41 | gravity | reto_: It's a symlink, right? It points to something... |
| 13:38.44 | gravity | bony: ^ |
| 13:38.47 | gravity | reto_: Sorry, that wasn't for you |
| 13:38.50 | reto_ | np |
| 13:38.56 | gravity | reto_: Patches are happily accepted for your problem. I'd love the help |
| 13:39.09 | bony | gravity, ok ok i got it now just a sec |
| 13:39.19 | gravity | I hate the debconf shit too, but I'm kinda busy fixing the X11R7 packages to actually do something about it just now |
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| 13:39.42 | bony | gravity, it point's to /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 13:39.55 | mpoer | hey guys, anyone ever get a screen res above 640*480 with an S3 Trio3D? |
| 13:40.10 | reto_ | gravity: no offense, but debconf caused more than one headache in the past.. |
| 13:40.10 | citral | tim_flatus: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz | awk '{print $4}' ? |
| 13:40.11 | mpoer | or know if it works with xorg? |
| 13:40.12 | stouset | gravity: All my windows seem to be opening maximized. This something to do with 6.9 => 7.0, or is it more likely a GNOME 2.14 issue? |
| 13:40.16 | tarzeau | mpoer: bpp? memory on gfxcard? |
| 13:40.19 | Silent_al | .× #×¢×Øש××§×¦×©× |
| 13:40.24 | gravity | bony: Ok, that's good |
| 13:40.33 | gravity | reto_: I know. Patches happily accepted if you want to write them |
| 13:40.38 | bengrubb | asg: i tried http but still no workies |
| 13:40.41 | gravity | stouset: Gnome |
| 13:40.48 | stouset | gravity: Thanks. |
| 13:40.50 | gravity | stouset: If that's X, it's a totally new one to me |
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| 13:42.05 | Silent_al | hello, graveman is giving my some weird error about glibc... is there another app with GUI i could use to copy a cd into a iso file? |
| 13:42.11 | bony | gravity, i thing the problem is not with xorg. the problem is with gdm. since xorg have been shifted from 69 to7 and gdm has to be informed about this. and i thing the link in /etc/gdm.conf with read's "qqq |
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| 13:42.47 | gravity | bony: gdm works fine here |
| 13:42.49 | bony | gravity, StandardXserver=/usr/X11R6/bin/X has too be changed |
| 13:43.05 | asg | bengrubb: well, that's just odd. |
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| 13:43.26 | gravity | bony: I'm not finding this option... |
| 13:43.33 | evaded | I have also try 'tvtime -v -M -g 800x600' but the same thing. I not know what to do more to get that tvtime again working. It's was good working before i setup my computer to use 2 monitors. So i modified the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:43.39 | bony | gravity, line number 122 |
| 13:43.49 | bony | Granis`, in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 13:43.51 | asg | bengrubb: Try 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main' and comment out all the rest except for the security one. |
| 13:44.05 | reto_ | I think i have destroyed my whole workstation now.. |
| 13:44.19 | gravity | hrm... why is my gdm.conf empty? |
| 13:44.20 | reto_ | or not :) |
| 13:44.23 | gravity | That's weird |
| 13:44.24 | bengrubb | what happens now is: "Err could not connect to debian.org:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out 36% [Connecting to au.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] [Connecting to au.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] |
| 13:45.00 | evaded | bengrubb: So i had been begin to do an connection of 36%? |
| 13:45.06 | asg | bengrubb: if you type 'ping www.debian.org' does the ip address show up as 1.0.0.0 ? |
| 13:45.07 | evaded | s/i/it |
| 13:45.08 | bengrubb | anyone no of a completetely |
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| 13:45.25 | bengrubb | uptodate and working debian server |
| 13:45.28 | bengrubb | ill ping now |
| 13:45.34 | tim_flatus | citral, thanks, but I am not having trouble reading /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:45.43 | bengrubb | grrr how do i stop this continuos connecting |
| 13:45.44 | evaded | bengrubb: Can you ping Google? |
| 13:45.44 | asg | bengrubb: the problem is your resolver still. 1.0.0.0 is not the address of any debian server or mirror |
| 13:45.49 | bengrubb | yes i can ping google |
| 13:46.07 | evaded | bengrubb: 'ping www.google.com' to see if dns is been working? |
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| 13:46.27 | bengrubb | yer i did ping it and worked fine |
| 13:46.29 | bony | gravity, well what acutally happend was i upgraded my system with apt-get dist-upgrade and i got this xorg7 after that i tryed to start gdm and it did not start then i checked weather it was installed or not to my surprise it was not installed. so i need to install it then again i restarted gdm and i got this problem |
| 13:46.36 | evaded | bengrubb: Have you been Internet on that computer? |
| 13:47.00 | bony | gravity, GDM, Xserver ot found: /user/X11Rg/bin/X :0 etc etc |
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| 13:47.03 | mpoer | i've noticed that my fan on my computer doesn't work, and neither does the onboard audio, do I need a driver for my motherboard? if so, where might I find that? |
| 13:47.15 | bengrubb | im on an xp atm but am looking at my server which i installed debian netinstall on |
| 13:47.16 | gravity | bony: Did you get any errors on the xorg install? Did x11-common install properly? |
| 13:47.35 | Ronin | mpoer: more likely a new mb is in your future :) |
| 13:47.48 | bengrubb | how do i stop it continuosly connecting? so i can ping |
| 13:47.53 | evaded | mpoer: APM of ACPI for you're fan. Man keep an big external fan to keep it cold enought!!! |
| 13:48.09 | bengrubb | nvm it finnaly stopped |
| 13:48.16 | mpoer | i'll try that |
| 13:48.32 | mpoer | Crystal Audio, i think... does ALSA cover that? |
| 13:48.35 | evaded | mpoer: One like when it's very hot weather. So an giant ventilator, but it been near you're computer the time you're find an good solution |
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| 13:48.52 | bengrubb | i pinged debian.org and it says: "192.25.206.10" |
| 13:48.59 | evaded | mpoer: Try at first to concentrate you on you're fan that are not running!!! |
| 13:49.01 | bony | gravity, just now i check it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xcommon and it said "xserver-common is broken or not fully installed" then i tried to install it but apt say's Couldn't find package xserver-xcommon |
| 13:49.01 | asg | bengrubb: well, that's the correct ip |
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| 13:49.12 | bengrubb | so... lol |
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| 13:49.24 | mpoer | APM and what? |
| 13:49.27 | mpoer | ACPI? |
| 13:49.29 | gravity | bony: You can remove that package. xserver-common is obsolete |
| 13:49.32 | bengrubb | troubleshooting to the max here... |
| 13:50.02 | evaded | mpoer: Sorry APM or ACPI! |
| 13:50.02 | tim_flatus | I will try a better question: I just want to confirm that family 6 model 7 == 6x86 as it is going to take some time to recompile my kernel on it ;) |
| 13:50.17 | mpoer | neither are in apt-get... are they stable? |
| 13:50.21 | evaded | mpoer: Depending what you're moderboard support. |
| 13:50.57 | bengrubb | so nothing is wrong with dns.. it pings ok... soo that leaves my sources... |
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| 13:51.23 | evaded | !tell mpoer about apm |
| 13:51.25 | evaded | !tell mpoer about acpi |
| 13:51.43 | mpoer | nevermind... intall != install |
| 13:51.57 | bony | gravity, x11-common is installed properly |
| 13:52.13 | bony | gravity, no errors when i gave dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 13:52.15 | mpoer | okay, cool |
| 13:52.17 | mpoer | i'll get this working |
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| 13:52.27 | mpoer | hey, my computer beeped.. it wasn't doing that before |
| 13:52.28 | evaded | bengrubb: If you keep that config on an side and if you redo 'apt-setup'?? |
| 13:52.32 | mpoer | realted or random? |
| 13:52.32 | bengrubb | asg: what server do you use for updates? |
| 13:52.38 | reto_ | my x11-common conflicts with xfs-xtt, but aptitude can't resolv it, even after I selected xfs-xtt for removal |
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| 13:53.25 | mpoer | no acpi support in my kernel, does 2.6.8 have it? |
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| 13:54.00 | evaded | mpoer: moment, i help you, 30 sec |
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| 13:54.29 | evaded | mpoer: Edit the file '/boot/grub/menu.lst' |
| 13:54.29 | mpoer | cool i appreciate it :) |
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| 13:54.38 | phretor | hi there |
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| 13:54.51 | mpoer | i have to install the new one first |
| 13:54.51 | phretor | gnome users able to mount AFP volumes? |
| 13:54.53 | mpoer | apt-getting now |
| 13:55.33 | evaded | Then look been to that file(for sure make an backup of it) and look to the lines add the last part kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-k7 root=/dev/hda6 ro noapic nolapic acpi=force |
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| 13:56.02 | asg | bengrubb: the one I gave you, http://ftp.debian.org. It's working just fine from here |
| 13:56.37 | bengrubb | i know ay working on my axp |
| 13:56.40 | bengrubb | xp* |
| 13:56.44 | mpoer | i'm /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 13:57.23 | reto_ | whats the right way to install the nvidia binary module with the 7.0 release? |
| 13:57.29 | mpoer | oh, i need to add "acpi=force" to it? |
| 13:57.31 | bengrubb | ill just have a quick squiz over my sources |
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| 13:57.41 | reto_ | still this module helper utiltiy (can't remember the name) |
| 13:57.55 | reto_ | module-assistant |
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| 13:58.12 | evaded | mpoer: On the end of the line, i hope you have been understand how to do it right :-/ Not complicate but you need to do it right! |
| 13:58.59 | evaded | mpoer: Or like kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/hda8 ro vga=771 acpi=on |
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| 13:59.15 | cbr | reto_: that is the right way |
| 13:59.42 | evaded | mpoer: You can use the 'force' and 'on' if im been remember. I suggest you to install 'yacpi' to look to the temperature a bit |
| 13:59.42 | lossos | what means sendmail: MSP: ./k3CB012g032405 [127.0.0.1]: user open ? |
| 13:59.48 | reto_ | thanks cbr |
| 14:00.01 | bengrubb | OMG YAY |
| 14:00.29 | mpoer | evaded, you're an awesome help... i take it you've had a motherboard fry up on you before? |
| 14:00.33 | asg | bengrubb: I take that to be a good sign? |
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| 14:00.39 | bengrubb | i had http://au.debian.org instead of http://ftp.debian.org doh! |
| 14:00.47 | asg | bengrubb: ah |
| 14:00.47 | bengrubb | i was typing too quickly |
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| 14:01.20 | bengrubb | but strange how ftp://au.debian.org doesnt work |
| 14:01.31 | asg | bengrubb: it's ftp.au.debian.org |
| 14:01.33 | evaded | mpoer: My laptop but he is always running!!! I had some troubles with the fan of the cpy of my 'Compaq Armade 1750' |
| 14:01.57 | burepe | If I load a driver do I have to unload it before I load another one for the same device? |
| 14:01.59 | mpoer | i don't have yacpi but i have my box open and it's not even warm |
| 14:02.18 | evaded | mpoer: Install it :-/ |
| 14:02.19 | mpoer | even touching the heatsink for the cpu, it feelsl ike it isn't even on |
| 14:02.26 | lossos | what means sendmail: MSP: ./k3CB012g032405 [127.0.0.1]: user open? |
| 14:02.27 | bengrubb | ok.. well i used http://ftp.ggg.hefhhf and it worked |
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| 14:02.29 | mpoer | i'm about to |
| 14:02.31 | reto_ | hmm ls /usr/X11R6/bin is a symlink to /usr/bin, and the page http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 recommends to remove 'the cruft' in there :) |
| 14:02.40 | bengrubb | all that for like 30 secconds of updates |
| 14:02.41 | evaded | mpoer: Very little, when no more needed. When problem are solved, deinstall it |
| 14:02.41 | phretor | I can't figure out how to mount a remove Netatalk resource within gnome |
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| 14:03.00 | evaded | bengrubb: You're welcome :-) |
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| 14:03.12 | bengrubb | ty very much |
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| 14:03.24 | polopolo | Hello all |
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| 14:03.30 | evaded | bengrubb: The next time it keep you max 5 minutes to troubleshoot it :-p |
| 14:03.35 | polopolo | Hwo top mount a fat32 partition? |
| 14:03.39 | mpoer | okay, i'm going to try to reboot into acpi=on now |
| 14:03.42 | polopolo | *to* |
| 14:03.42 | mpoer | be back ina few |
| 14:03.52 | bengrubb | heh |
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| 14:05.28 | Eulex | !vfatrw |
| 14:05.28 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 14:05.34 | bengrubb | is there like a text viewer for the internet in debian? |
| 14:05.36 | Eulex | polopolo, ^^ |
| 14:05.39 | jsn | I seem to have a trouble upgrading 6.9->7.0 which isn't listed in the wiki. |
| 14:05.51 | jsn | pre-inst for xerver-xorg returns 64 |
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| 14:06.01 | holdenSK | bengrubb: lynx, links, elinks, w3m .... |
| 14:06.12 | bengrubb | are they inbuilt? |
| 14:06.25 | bengrubb | or do i need to download |
| 14:06.27 | Eulex | bengrubb, no, they're not in the base |
| 14:06.32 | bengrubb | ok |
| 14:06.54 | polopolo | Thank you Eulex :D |
| 14:06.59 | bengrubb | i just wanna copy like this large paragraphy of code instead of typing |
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| 14:07.05 | bengrubb | paragraph* |
| 14:07.19 | holdenSK | cut&paste won't help ? |
| 14:07.19 | Eulex | jsn, xorg 7.0 is generally b0rked right now. |
| 14:07.34 | gravity | It works for a lot of people :-\ |
| 14:07.57 | jsn | Well, them's the breaks for me, in any event. Sorta wish I could get the "unbork'ed" e-mail. |
| 14:08.39 | Eulex | gravity, oh, it does? that's good. been working hard on it, eh? |
| 14:08.48 | evaded | bengrubb: So you been know where to pay attention. If you had listen to my: i had ask you to post the config of it in pastebin. Not that i solve you're problem. But that others also could look. |
| 14:08.53 | bengrubb | oh i have an idea i wanna use ssh to acces my debian machine using putty do i have to turn summin on on the debian? |
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| 14:09.02 | gravity | Eulex: Yes |
| 14:09.06 | Eulex | jsn, well, file a bug if the issue's not already in the btw |
| 14:09.29 | gravity | We've fixed several bugs already and more fixes are coming |
| 14:09.48 | asg | bengrubb: you just have to install openssh if it isn't already |
| 14:09.50 | gravity | Some of them simply require updates from other parts of the archive. Some of them require user intervention if you've customized your config files |
| 14:10.05 | gravity | I'm not touching your customized config file, so that breaks things for some people |
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| 14:10.18 | gravity | Generally though, at least on x86, it's working |
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| 14:10.58 | Eulex | gravity, oh, so there are differences in xorg.conf between 6.9 and 7.0? |
| 14:11.18 | asg | Eulex: yes, especially font paths |
| 14:11.48 | jsn | Eulex: I'd be happy to oblige. Too bad I have so little information on what went wrong. One of the many packages upgrading had a shell command that failed because of "too many arguments" but I forget which. :( |
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| 14:12.12 | zl2tod | Eulex: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 14:12.13 | Eulex | asg, oh, ok. I think I already heard about that one. places in /etc now, eh? or at least symlinked in there |
| 14:13.18 | gravity | jsn: That bug is fixed now in incoming |
| 14:13.41 | Eulex | zl2tod, that one deserves to be in the topic |
| 14:13.56 | gravity | Eulex: It should be linked from StatusOfUnstable |
| 14:14.11 | gravity | And look, there it is |
| 14:14.36 | Eulex | indeed |
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| 14:14.52 | bizkit | (: |
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| 14:15.34 | jsn | gravity: merci buckets |
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| 14:16.54 | Eulex | gravity, you seem to be doing a great job :) |
| 14:16.59 | gravity | Eulex: Thanks |
| 14:17.02 | gravity | I appreciate that |
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| 14:17.12 | bengrubb | i ran apt-get install ssh but wont get it, im using an aussie server |
| 14:17.28 | evaded | bengrubb: openssh |
| 14:17.28 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 14:17.30 | bengrubb | is it legal in aus... |
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| 14:17.40 | bengrubb | i read up on summin in us |
| 14:17.46 | jsn | Quick question, though, I ran reportbug, and it wanted to report against the installed version. Did I need to run beyond "standard" version to manage that? |
| 14:18.01 | elephantMan | If i finally decide to use kde instead of gnome, how do i cleanly get rid of gnome ? Like 'apt-get remove --purge gdm' ? |
| 14:18.03 | gravity | jsn: What's the bug? |
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| 14:18.19 | gravity | jsn: You may as well tell me before you submit it, since I'm the one fixing 90% of them |
| 14:18.52 | jsn | gravity: upgrading xserver-xorg, the pre-inst script returns 64 |
| 14:19.05 | gravity | jsn: The too many argument error? |
| 14:19.14 | jsn | I saw that one before, but not now. |
| 14:19.22 | gravity | jsn: What's the actual error? |
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| 14:20.01 | aronofsky | hi , is there a way to play .ram files on linux , either through firefox pluin or with standalone player , i dont care ? |
| 14:20.15 | evaded | dpkg sleep or take an holiday |
| 14:20.16 | jsn | Well, a simple upgrade yields unmet dependencies, x-window-system-core on xserver-xorg |
| 14:20.25 | EnnaN | aron: i thought mplayer did .ram? |
| 14:20.26 | elephantMan | lklk |
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| 14:21.14 | jsn | gravity, and when I try apt-get -f install, xserver-xorg failed to preconfigure, and the exit status is 64 |
| 14:21.25 | evaded | elephantMan: Not especially the gdm, it's not enought, you need to remove the gnome-core i guess. The bot are dead here |
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| 14:21.41 | aronofsky | EnnaN, any way with xine ? |
| 14:21.44 | elephantMan | evaded, ok thanx |
| 14:21.50 | jsn | gravity, and, mumble, mumble, I'm powerpc |
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| 14:22.00 | Eulex | jsn, probably #362891 |
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| 14:22.33 | Eulex | actually, looks exacty like your problem |
| 14:22.43 | gravity | Yeah, I don't know exactly why that happened. I need to go after it. |
| 14:23.00 | gravity | The postinst needs to spit out better errrors apparently |
| 14:23.18 | EnnaN | aron: dunno |
| 14:23.24 | jsn | pre-inst vs. post-inst made me think that wasn't my problem. |
| 14:23.26 | evaded | elephantMan: Additionally, try to do an search with 'Synaptic' for ex. and search on gnome. There are to many to cite here |
| 14:23.33 | burepe_ | If I load a driver with modprobe do i have to unload it before I can load another one for the same pci card? |
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| 14:24.15 | evaded | elephantMan: Normally there are 3 meta-packages of gnome. So in theory you need max to remove 3 packages! |
| 14:24.38 | jsn | and, Eulex, gravity, the only package on my list of errors is xserver-xorg, not xorg also |
| 14:24.56 | gravity | jsn: You probably don't have the xorg package installing |
| 14:25.04 | gravity | It's the same bug, Eulex is right |
| 14:25.10 | jsn | Well, I have to get ready to go to work. Good luck, gravity, and thanks (u2, Eulex) |
| 14:25.14 | jsn | thanks again |
| 14:25.16 | gravity | jsn: What version of x11-common do you have installed? |
| 14:25.25 | jsn | lemme check (walks to computer) |
| 14:25.34 | bengrubb | elephantman: i typed apt-get install openssh and still couldn't find package |
| 14:25.53 | bengrubb | is it under /debian? |
| 14:26.08 | jsn | gravity |
| 14:26.16 | jsn | x11-common = 7.0.12 |
| 14:26.28 | evaded | elephantMan: The meta-packages are 'gnome', 'gnome-desktop-environment' 'and gnome-core' |
| 14:26.39 | gravity | hrm |
| 14:26.53 | gravity | jsn: Ok, so that's not the problem. I don't know what it is, but I'll look in to it |
| 14:27.16 | jsn | I'm lucky enough that my world doesn't fall apart if I can't use my computer today. Thanks again. |
| 14:27.26 | jsn | ciao for now |
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| 14:29.59 | kiosk | ciao |
| 14:30.05 | evaded | bengrubb: Sorry it's looks "ssh - Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)" |
| 14:30.24 | evaded | bengrubb: 'apt-cache search openssh' have help me |
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| 14:30.49 | evaded | munterfsm: Hoe gaat het met u ? Alles kids achter de rits :-) |
| 14:30.59 | munterfsm | prima thx |
| 14:30.59 | kiosk | hello what's your name? |
| 14:31.07 | munterfsm | hmm |
| 14:31.14 | munterfsm | niet onder eigen naam ingelogd |
| 14:31.24 | munterfsm | probeer een probleem op iemand anders z'n pc te debuggen |
| 14:31.27 | munterfsm | xorg installeert niet |
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| 14:31.39 | munterfsm | ik zie dat daar iets van bekend is |
| 14:31.41 | bengrubb | k ta evaded |
| 14:31.42 | evaded | munterfsm: Wel even opletten men spreekt hier normaal engels ;-) |
| 14:31.43 | munterfsm | ff de msgs lezen |
| 14:31.51 | sky0 | is it possible to make dpkg ignore a failing 'preinst' script? or alternatively how can I force the state of that (meta-)package to be "installed" anyway? |
| 14:31.55 | munterfsm | evaded: Oops |
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| 14:32.00 | gravity | !de |
| 14:32.02 | CaptainNuss | greetings. i just installed etch two weeks ago and now the tetex distribution doesn't seem to work. it seems to be missing several fonts. whenever i include the line \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} into my latex documents, it tells me it can't find the metric files. is there any package i need to install? |
| 14:32.03 | munterfsm | sorry about the dutch folks |
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| 14:32.17 | evaded | munterfsm: Verder bestaat er wel een #debian-nl |
| 14:32.20 | munterfsm | reacted to evaded, and forgot this is an english channel |
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| 14:32.32 | damko | hi |
| 14:32.40 | evaded | munterfsm: Sorry it was my fault, i have begin lol ;-) |
| 14:32.49 | munterfsm | uheh |
| 14:32.58 | evaded | Sorry guys ;-) whant to learn somethings?? But get that |
| 14:32.59 | munterfsm | wait a sec |
| 14:33.00 | evaded | !beer |
| 14:33.16 | damko | is there a way to get the worked hours for a scsi disk? |
| 14:33.19 | evaded | hhhmmm, when dpkg are back ;-) or dpkg have drink to many :-) |
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| 14:33.51 | munterfsm | argh |
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| 14:34.26 | munterfsm | grr |
| 14:34.31 | damko | any idea? |
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| 14:34.40 | munterfsm | bbl |
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| 14:35.53 | evaded | damko: I not good understand, i guess the others also. Could you give a bit more info and explain it in another way? |
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| 14:36.08 | damko | evaded: yes thanks. |
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| 14:36.39 | damko | i simply want to ask to a scsi disk "how many hours did u work till now?" |
| 14:36.48 | damko | is there a way to do so? |
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| 14:37.59 | evaded | damko: hdparm?? |
| 14:38.08 | gary | Does GNU/Linux have a good programme for updating mp3 players. Like a music-library tool, that allows you to drag/drop things into the mp3 player. Anything like that? Also what about editing md3 tags |
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| 14:38.23 | CBTC | upon installing X under Debian Sarge, which driver is apropriate for a GF FX5200 Vid Card, Ive tried many but when I start x I only get blank screen |
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| 14:38.26 | damko | evaded: hdparm has a version for scsi salled sdparm but i can't get anything usefull |
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| 14:38.46 | pipeline | CBTC: Well, look at your X logs. The startup logs will be in /var/log/XFree86.<display number>.log |
| 14:38.53 | evaded | damko: I have guess it :-p |
| 14:38.55 | bengrubb | yay install ssh |
| 14:39.32 | tim_flatus | gary, musiclibrarian is good for editing tags, Not sure about drag and drop |
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| 14:39.36 | bengrubb | i now officially love debian |
| 14:39.43 | CBTC | pipeline: nothing... :( i know it is related to *which* driver tho |
| 14:39.44 | gary | tim_flatus: |
| 14:39.45 | gary | tim_flatus: thanks |
| 14:39.47 | Eulex | damko, tried smart-tools? |
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| 14:40.08 | tim_flatus | gary, or Quod Libet. I think XMMS is drag and drop ? |
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| 14:40.12 | Eulex | CBTC, nv and vesa will work |
| 14:40.26 | bengrubb | so is the maker of debian here |
| 14:40.29 | CBTC | vesa came up blank |
| 14:40.34 | damko | Eulex: yes i get a lot of info but not worked hours |
| 14:40.36 | bengrubb | or the creators |
| 14:40.37 | gary | tim_flatus: darn I have unmet dependencies |
| 14:40.43 | Eulex | CBTC, and have you checked the logs? |
| 14:40.43 | CBTC | but I didn't try nv |
| 14:40.48 | Eulex | damko, heh, ok |
| 14:40.53 | CBTC | I will try nv first |
| 14:40.56 | evaded | Eulex: It's been in Sarge 'smart-tools'?? Not find it here. |
| 14:40.56 | CBTC | ty |
| 14:41.13 | Eulex | evaded, may not be the exact packagename |
| 14:41.18 | damko | may be that the scsi disk doesn't save the worked hours ... may be? seems so strange to me .. |
| 14:41.29 | Eulex | evaded, smartmontools |
| 14:41.36 | evaded | Eulex: ;-) |
| 14:41.37 | zl2tod | Eulex: smartmontools |
| 14:41.40 | damko | evaded: for sure is in testing |
| 14:41.44 | Eulex | damko, maybe |
| 14:41.47 | Eulex | zl2tod, indeed |
| 14:41.47 | zl2tod | snap |
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| 14:42.24 | Eulex | evaded, hmm, doesn't seem to be in sarge, though |
| 14:42.25 | evaded | damko, Eulex: It's been in Sarge :-) |
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| 14:42.43 | evaded | Eulex: I have found the packege here |
| 14:42.43 | gary | any idea what /dev/device an mp3 player would use when plugged in via usb? |
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| 14:42.59 | damko | now i'm trying adding a new ibm disk just to check if i get something different |
| 14:42.59 | armin76 | http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:43.03 | armin76 | read fourth method |
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| 14:43.13 | Eulex | gary, /dev/sd[abc]? |
| 14:43.28 | Eulex | evaded, indeed, it's in stable |
| 14:44.04 | evaded | Eulex: It's for damko, but also interesting, that's why i respond ;-) I try that package and see ... |
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| 14:44.19 | gary | Eulex: what is sdXXX, as I'm never sure about devices and where they go |
| 14:44.34 | Martiini | how can I edit or configure system-wide font settings .. - all text is almost unreadable |
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| 14:45.25 | gary | Eulex: sd[abcd] and sd[01234] don't exist |
| 14:45.29 | Eulex | gary, sd[a-z] is for scsi, sata and usb disks |
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| 14:45.50 | Eulex | gary, what does dmesg say right after you've plugged it in? |
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| 14:46.57 | gary | I did check |
| 14:47.00 | evaded | Martiini: Some troubles with 'dpi'?? |
| 14:47.00 | gary | two secs |
| 14:47.26 | damko | FOUND !!! ;) |
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| 14:47.34 | evaded | Martiini: The needed fonts been installed for the rite dpi? |
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| 14:47.42 | gary | It says: new full speed usb device connected using uhci_hcd and and address 5. then it says: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub |
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| 14:48.01 | evaded | damko: And what's is it? |
| 14:48.02 | flogisto1 | Hi i can't get any ipadress to my debian server. |
| 14:48.08 | Martiini | evaded no idea :( |
| 14:48.15 | Eulex | flogisto1, ifconfig -a |
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| 14:48.26 | Eulex | gary, it says nothing about a device? |
| 14:48.28 | evaded | Martiini: You're fonts to less or to big? |
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| 14:48.40 | holdenSK | hmm, has anyone experieces with Phillips MP3 players ? (e.h. HD1420) |
| 14:48.50 | flogisto1 | Eulex: I want a static adress to it. |
| 14:48.59 | Martiini | evaded extremely small -- all kde and gnome etc .. having troubles to read this xchat window :) |
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| 14:49.16 | Martiini | evaded locate dpi gives a loooong list of installed fonts .. so |
| 14:49.21 | peoro | hi |
| 14:49.23 | flogisto1 | I adden the MAC adress in my router and gave it an ip. |
| 14:49.25 | Eulex | flogisto1, ah, set, not get. use ifconfig for that too |
| 14:49.36 | Eulex | flogisto1, man ifconfig |
| 14:49.37 | damko | i used smartctl a bin from smartmontools check risult http://pastebin.com/663139 |
| 14:49.40 | gary | Eulex: nope |
| 14:49.56 | gary | oh, it says: usb 4-2: then the messages |
| 14:50.08 | flogisto1 | I changed /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:50.19 | evaded | Martiini: Making use of the bad 'dpi' i guess. In KDE there is an tool to get some system informations. I know that there you could look to see the amount of 'dpi' |
| 14:50.45 | Martiini | :) |
| 14:51.10 | Eulex | gary, then I'm afraid it doesn't appear like it can appear like a disk, at least it doesn't support usb generic storage or whatever it's named. in windows you'd have to use special drivers or programs for it. in linux, there's no guarantee that you can even get it working. |
| 14:51.22 | Eulex | flogisto1, in what way? |
| 14:51.31 | maxxle | I have a very complicated path to a directory. I want to write a simple shell script that changes the path in my console if I execute it. There is a simple statement that makes 'cd /path/to/directory'. If I execute it the path in my shell is not adjusted. How can I figure this out? |
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| 14:51.42 | flogisto1 | Eulex: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 14:51.57 | flogisto1 | Followed the static part of the guide. |
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| 14:52.22 | burepe_ | If I "# sudo modprobe saa7134 card=3 tuner=5" Do I do "# sudo modprobe -r saa7134" or "# sudo modprobe -r saa7134 card=3 tuner=5 |
| 14:52.22 | burepe_ | " to remove it? |
| 14:52.27 | Eulex | flogisto1, and you've restarted the networking on the box? |
| 14:52.47 | Eulex | burepe_, without parametres |
| 14:53.02 | Eulex | flogisto1, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:53.54 | flogisto1 | Eulex: seems that i put wrong data in the config. |
| 14:53.56 | burepe_ | Eulex, Thank you! |
| 14:54.02 | bengrubb | by the way i <3 the netinstall idea! |
| 14:54.08 | evaded | I forget his name :-( |
| 14:54.16 | evaded | helo guy :-P |
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| 14:54.26 | pt_ | hello, could someone tell me where can i set the debconf iface after apt-get? i cannot find the setting in /etc/debconf.conf? |
| 14:54.43 | evaded | dpi problem?? Who are you, sorry i have forget you're name lol |
| 14:54.53 | zapata | anyone knows how to play ogm files in debian sarge? all i get is audio but no video |
| 14:55.12 | peoro | trying to remove some packages, apt want to remove a lots of other dependent packages... doen't exist the possibility to downgrade a package removing its dependent packages and after ask to apt to reinstall a version of these removed packages compatible to the new downgraded package? (sorry for my bad english...) |
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| 14:55.24 | maxxle | zapata: Which program produces those files? |
| 14:55.49 | peoro | i think it wouldn't be very difficult for a package manager o,o |
| 14:55.59 | zapata | im not sure maxx |
| 14:56.27 | pt_ | excuse me, anyone know about setting the debconf iface after apt-get? i cannot find the setting in /etc/debconf.conf? |
| 14:56.33 | zapata | ive tried running it with vlc which is supposed to work but it doesnt... |
| 14:56.34 | Eulex | peoro, apt-get install pkgname=version, or apt-get install pkgname/release |
| 14:56.59 | Eulex | zapata, ogm is just a container |
| 14:57.00 | evaded | Martiini: Open the 'system'/'info-center' |
| 14:57.07 | Eulex | zapata, you still need codecs |
| 14:57.09 | peoro | doing that apt wanna remove a lots of other packages... |
| 14:57.15 | zapata | what kinda codecs? |
| 14:57.18 | Eulex | zapata, get w32codecs from marillat |
| 14:57.21 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 14:57.21 | flogisto1 | Eulex: isnt there a dpgk-rerconfigure for the network? |
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| 14:57.43 | bengrubb | hey ive noticed the us server has more than the aussie one is this update issues ? |
| 14:57.56 | Eulex | peoro, then you need to downgrade all packages that need to be downgraded |
| 14:58.02 | zapata | hmm seems like i had them, its upgrading them now... |
| 14:58.04 | evaded | Martiini: then in the las on 'x-server' you could see how many 'dpi' you use |
| 14:58.05 | Eulex | bengrubb, probably |
| 14:58.10 | bengrubb | k |
| 14:58.20 | evaded | s/las on/last one |
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| 14:58.35 | peoro | Eulex: yes, but can't i ask to apt to auto downgrade all that packages? this was my original question :P |
| 14:58.45 | Eulex | flogisto1, no, I don't think so. there's base-config, but it's obsolete in testing and unstable |
| 14:59.05 | flogisto1 | how about dhcp-client? |
| 14:59.17 | Eulex | peoro, no, you'll have to do apt-get install pkg1/release pkg2/release etc... |
| 14:59.18 | evaded | Martiini: Right?? |
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| 14:59.27 | Eulex | flogisto1, sure, if you want to use dhcp |
| 14:59.44 | Eulex | flogisto1, if you want to do it statically you shouldn't use it, though |
| 14:59.46 | Martiini | evaded 60x56 |
| 14:59.58 | Eulex | flogisto1, dhcp gives dynamic ips |
| 15:00.00 | flogisto1 | The router will give the server a static ip. |
| 15:00.03 | evaded | Martiini: And you're screen resolution? |
| 15:00.25 | Martiini | 1024x768 |
| 15:00.27 | Garda | hey guys |
| 15:00.27 | Garda | is there a linux port of the half-life and counter strike game engine? |
| 15:00.35 | peoro | eh :/ but it's very nerve-racking |
| 15:00.40 | Eulex | flogisto1, oh, you've set up the router to always give the same ip? |
| 15:00.44 | flogisto1 | Eulex: i think i solved it. |
| 15:00.49 | peoro | they're more than 100 packages :\ |
| 15:00.53 | flogisto1 | Eulex: yes. |
| 15:00.58 | Eulex | flogisto1, iface eth0 inet dhcp then restart the networking |
| 15:01.01 | Eulex | flogisto1, ok |
| 15:01.13 | Martiini | evaded and now what? |
| 15:01.14 | zapata | hmm, anyway of converting ogm files to avi? |
| 15:01.16 | evaded | Martiini: You need to get somethings around the 72 or 96 or 100 i think. Like i have two monitors here i have somethings like 203x108. But it does not matter |
| 15:01.17 | flogisto1 | Eulex: thats whats my line is looking like now :) |
| 15:01.19 | damko | http://pastebin.com/663156 |
| 15:01.20 | Eulex | peoro, you could try apt-pinning them to a higher priority |
| 15:01.34 | Marshmellow | hey |
| 15:01.39 | evaded | Martiini: Sorry i had not see it ;-) |
| 15:01.41 | Marshmellow | whats the command to see a wget progress? |
| 15:01.41 | damko | in this case the hdd saves the number of reboots |
| 15:01.44 | Marshmellow | i ran a wget in & mode =o |
| 15:01.48 | Martiini | evaded how do I get dpi to above 60x50 |
| 15:01.50 | Marshmellow | i want to see if its done |
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| 15:01.59 | peoro | ok, thanks... i'll try |
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| 15:02.19 | nanok | Marshmellow, fg in the shell you ran the command |
| 15:02.26 | Marshmellow | it timed out |
| 15:02.26 | Marshmellow | lol |
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| 15:02.46 | Aim_Here | If you accidentally do that, type 'fg', Marshmellow |
| 15:02.49 | evaded | You need to modify the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 But first make an copy of it. In case you're mess it up and so you can easy comme back without ninja commandos |
| 15:02.58 | Marshmellow | -bash: fg: current: no such job |
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| 15:03.07 | mpoer | yo evaded everything working now :) |
| 15:03.22 | mpoer | 'cept video card |
| 15:03.24 | dglerum | I'm looking for a way to schedule my bitornado downloads to run only at night, it takes up too much bandwith. Anyone know how to realize this? |
| 15:03.27 | evaded | mpoer: Fan also. The importantest one!? |
| 15:03.34 | mpoer | yep |
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| 15:03.37 | nanok | dglerum, cron |
| 15:03.38 | Eulex | Martiini, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#.2Fetc.2FX11.2Fxorg.conf |
| 15:03.47 | mpoer | 'sall good 8) |
| 15:03.47 | Martiini | thanks |
| 15:04.04 | evaded | You have take time. I was thinking that you have mess a bit that config file and ... I was hope, but you're been here :-) |
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| 15:04.10 | dglerum | nanok: found some docs on that, but what do i schedule exactly? |
| 15:04.20 | mpoer | Now I want to email all the system users to let them know things worke better, anyone know how to email all the system's users? |
| 15:04.25 | evaded | mpoer: Good job then man! :-) |
| 15:04.28 | mpoer | like "mail users" or something? |
| 15:04.52 | initech | dglerum: if you can run btdownload with a torrent in a single command, you could certainly do that with cron and a wrapper script easily enough |
| 15:05.23 | evaded | Martiini: I have not addressate an message, have you see it? :-/ |
| 15:05.26 | dglerum | the downloads are beeing done with TorrentFlux web interface |
| 15:05.46 | dglerum | i don't run the command on a console |
| 15:05.50 | evaded | mpoer: 'mail users' |
| 15:05.58 | evaded | mpoer: I guess that he |
| 15:06.04 | Marshmellow | so |
| 15:06.07 | Marshmellow | what should i do now? |
| 15:06.12 | mpoer | k i'll try it |
| 15:06.12 | initech | dglerum: to schedule things like that you can't use a gui, it's not made for that. you need something that isn't inteactive |
| 15:06.14 | Marshmellow | i lost the progress of a wget =o |
| 15:06.24 | Martiini | evaded I need to edit xorg.conf dpi setting I think , Thanks :) |
| 15:06.33 | evaded | mpoer: Wher users are the group of users. I guess that the group have an email or alias to... |
| 15:06.35 | Marshmellow | it's because im wgeting it in the first place cus im trying to transfer sql bakcups |
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| 15:06.37 | Eulex | Marshmellow, you could try running your wgets in a screen |
| 15:07.16 | evaded | Martiini: Yup, But keep a copy of that file!! To avoid troubles if you did some things bad with 'vim' or so ;-) |
| 15:07.16 | Eulex | @screen |
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| 15:07.18 | ravenbird | i heard screen is allows you to have multiple terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or http://mdxi.collapsar.net/brief/screen.html, or ... |
| 15:07.22 | mpoer | looks like i have to crate an alias for the users i want to email |
| 15:07.49 | initech | dglerum: alternatively, you could schedule a script that throttles the bandwidth duing peak hours and opens it up at night, that is probably the best way |
| 15:07.50 | Marshmellow | yeah |
| 15:07.53 | Marshmellow | but its to late to use screen lmao |
| 15:07.56 | evaded | mpoer: I mean that you mail the group of users 'users'?? I think it's possible |
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| 15:08.00 | Eulex | Marshmellow, indeed |
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| 15:08.01 | Marshmellow | dude this download from another box is like 4 kilobytes |
| 15:08.07 | Marshmellow | i left it over night |
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| 15:08.09 | Marshmellow | ITS ONLY 23 MBs |
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| 15:08.20 | Eulex | Marshmellow, it has 56k? |
| 15:08.24 | Marshmellow | !sendmail |
| 15:08.27 | Marshmellow | no its a 100mbit |
| 15:08.32 | Marshmellow | its just slow i dont know what happened! |
| 15:08.33 | Eulex | Marshmellow, dpkg is dead |
| 15:08.34 | initech | i always get shit on bittorrent - 15k/sec if I'm lucky |
| 15:08.42 | Eulex | or not here |
| 15:08.42 | Marshmellow | ah. |
| 15:08.47 | Marshmellow | nah it aint torrent |
| 15:08.52 | Marshmellow | im downloading directly from a FTP |
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| 15:08.55 | Eulex | use ravenbird instead |
| 15:08.55 | Firehand | initech: are your ports configured correctly? |
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| 15:09.07 | Eulex | or apt |
| 15:09.08 | Marshmellow | it slowed down out of no where. |
| 15:09.09 | initech | Firehand: yes, just shitty torrents usually |
| 15:09.14 | Marshmellow | hey eulex |
| 15:09.15 | mpoer | cool. i'm out guys. happy easter and such |
| 15:09.17 | Marshmellow | how do i use sendmail? |
| 15:09.24 | Firehand | initech: ok :o |
| 15:09.24 | Marshmellow | i wanna try emailing it |
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| 15:10.04 | initech | Firehand: if I try something really popular, which is almost never, the speed is ok |
| 15:10.16 | Eulex | Marshmellow, try using mail (man mail) |
| 15:10.31 | Marshmellow | grr |
| 15:10.32 | Marshmellow | box so slow |
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| 15:10.35 | damko | c u! thanks 4 support |
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| 15:10.54 | nse | !u |
| 15:10.55 | Firehand | initech: i rarely use torrents but when i do i need to limit it so others in my network are not complaining about bad speeds :) |
| 15:11.02 | Eulex | nse, dpkg is gone |
| 15:11.08 | Eulex | @u |
| 15:11.08 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png |
| 15:11.22 | nse | oh god.. |
| 15:11.28 | Eulex | there's apt too |
| 15:11.29 | Marshmellow | so how do i send attachments? |
| 15:11.30 | Eulex | ~a |
| 15:11.31 | apt | well, a is not b |
| 15:11.47 | Marshmellow | ~a or -a |
| 15:11.54 | nse | @who owns you? |
| 15:11.55 | ravenbird | SimonRaven |
| 15:11.57 | initech | Firehand: I don't limit but just use the build in QoS in the linux kernel (my firewall is linux) and that pretty much takes care of everything |
| 15:12.27 | Firehand | initech: i was too lazy to do this :) |
| 15:12.52 | Eulex | Marshmellow, I don't know, sorry |
| 15:12.53 | initech | Firehand: wshaper is very very easy ... it's a no brainer |
| 15:13.21 | Marshmellow | lol |
| 15:13.32 | Firehand | initech: tnx, i'll add that to my todo list :) |
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| 15:13.41 | Marshmellow | man hmm. |
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| 15:13.49 | Marshmellow | it'll be easier if i knew what was slowing my box down |
| 15:13.49 | burepe | What does "card" mean in this command? sudo modprobe saa7134 card=3 tuner=2 |
| 15:14.03 | Eclipser | funny |
| 15:14.06 | Eulex | burepe, modinfo saa7134? |
| 15:14.13 | Eclipser | I mounted an ftp site with curlftpfs |
| 15:14.27 | Eclipser | when I do cg-mkpatch > ~/theftpsite/foo.patch |
| 15:14.31 | Marshmellow | it's a sagonet box lol |
| 15:14.36 | Eclipser | it says a couple of times cat: permission denied |
| 15:14.37 | burepe | it is for a tvtuner card |
| 15:14.45 | Eclipser | and when I look at the file, it's all there |
| 15:14.50 | Eclipser | except the patch header |
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| 15:14.55 | Eclipser | which is kind of funny o.O |
| 15:15.13 | Eulex | Marshmellow, you could try with netload and top to see if it's network load or cpu load |
| 15:15.17 | mcgreg | hi, I installed latest x-org from apt (unsyable) |
| 15:15.30 | mcgreg | when I try to start it, it says it doesnt find font fixed |
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| 15:15.42 | mcgreg | which is a fatal server error |
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| 15:15.48 | Eulex | mcgreg, topic ^^ |
| 15:15.49 | stew | mcgreg: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 15:15.57 | evaded | burepe: The brand of that card |
| 15:16.19 | burepe | evaded where do I find that number> |
| 15:16.21 | burepe | ? |
| 15:16.24 | simmerz | im having major issues trying to install debian with 2.4.27 under qemu. I'm getting a pivot root error, then a 432 error: www.initforthe.com/snapshot8.png |
| 15:16.27 | evaded | burepe: moment |
| 15:16.42 | evaded | burepe: i look for, i have recently set it up ;-) |
| 15:16.59 | burepe | evaded thanks |
| 15:17.26 | evaded | burepe: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/BTTV/#TUNMOD |
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| 15:17.51 | evaded | burepe: There are another site, realy interesting, moment |
| 15:18.38 | bengrubb | hey im installin vhcs and this is a command i was looking at and debian doesnt like it "cd/tmp/vhcs2*" |
| 15:18.47 | vosti | mcgreg, font's path are changed |
| 15:18.52 | Eulex | simmerz, version of qemu? |
| 15:18.53 | evaded | It's a really big page -> http://bttv-gallery.de/ it take long to load |
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| 15:19.07 | bengrubb | correction "cd /tmp/vhcs2*" |
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| 15:19.24 | simmerz | Eulex: 0.8.0 |
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| 15:19.56 | evaded | bengrubb: Nobody have understand i guess |
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| 15:20.01 | tim_flatus | stew, thanks |
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| 15:20.26 | Netsnipe | hi everyone |
| 15:20.53 | Eulex | simmerz, try 0.7.0, I've been having problems with 0.8.0 |
| 15:21.07 | bengrubb | whats wrong with this command |
| 15:21.08 | bengrubb | cd /tmp/vhcs2* |
| 15:21.22 | evaded | bengrubb: On that second link i had discover that my Hercules Smart TV use the Philips chipset (so number=5). I guess the same case for you, What's the output of 'lspci'? Can you post it on pastebin? |
| 15:21.36 | simmerz | Eulex: with anything in particular? |
| 15:21.37 | Netsnipe | when the s bit is set on a directory's permissions, then a file created by another user will still have its owner being set to that of the directory's owner, right? |
| 15:21.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
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| 15:22.11 | evaded | bengrubb: That the 'vhcs2*' probably not exist i guess. Try 'ls /tmp/vhcs2*' To see if there are somethings |
| 15:22.15 | bengrubb | huh i dont have 1 |
| 15:22.19 | Eulex | simmerz, was some time ago, I don't remember the exact issues |
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| 15:22.55 | simmerz | Eulex: im just confused as to why the gentoo livecd works, the old install cd works, and so does the debian install cd. why would they work and boot a kernel, when the installed copy of debian doesnt |
| 15:23.00 | evaded | burepe: On that second link i had discover that my Hercules Smart TV use the Philips chipset (so number=5). I guess the same case for you, What's the output of 'lspci'? Can you post it on pastebin? |
| 15:23.05 | bengrubb | im followin: http://www.howtoforge.com/vhcs_debian_sarge_setup |
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| 15:23.37 | evaded | bengrubb: I have send you an message that whas destinated to another one, sorry guy. |
| 15:23.47 | Eulex | simmerz, I have no idea |
| 15:23.48 | mcgreg | vosti: it says, it couldt init font path elemtn unix/:7100 , removing from list ... you know what I need to edit/change it find them again? |
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| 15:24.44 | Marshmellow | wow |
| 15:24.47 | Marshmellow | i restarted the box |
| 15:24.48 | Marshmellow | goign alittle faster |
| 15:24.49 | Marshmellow | =] |
| 15:24.53 | bengrubb | hmmm it sorta works sorta.. |
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| 15:25.27 | burepe | evaded the card is a kworld pvr 7130 with a ntsc checked on the card. in the command "sudo modprobe saa7134 card=3 tuner=2" the number with tuner depends on the frequency type right? is that determined by the card or where I live? I live in Japan by the way. |
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| 15:25.34 | bengrubb | the next command after "cp -R * /" doesnt do anything |
| 15:25.52 | jackman_knoppix | hi I am setting up a wlan0 card. its ok installed the tool 'netcardconfig' gets ip form dns.. but then it stopp no access out or no ping anyway..to or from. |
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| 15:26.02 | tedp | where's dpkg? :/ |
| 15:26.19 | evaded | burepe: It's like an radio tunner, but for the tv signals |
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| 15:26.28 | robste | I have trouble with the x-server after installing an official etch snapshot. Can anyone help me? (I am a newbie) |
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| 15:27.01 | stew | robste: tell us exactly what you are trying to do and exactly what errors you are getting |
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| 15:27.26 | susanka | hi, how can i change alsa that alsa start not with 100% PCM ? |
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| 15:27.41 | burepe | evaded yeah but the card says ntsc so does that mean that I have to put tuner= to be the number for ntsc? |
| 15:27.51 | evaded | burepe: At first place i was trying on an bad number of tunner. I had constant no signal, and i whas seeking, the i had find the good number. It's important that use poste you're output of 'lspci'. So we see which shipset are been used. Somethimes he change of some chipset models/brands |
| 15:28.07 | evaded | burepe: No no |
| 15:28.20 | jackman_knoppix | anyone here that uses wlan0 ? |
| 15:28.21 | vosti | mcgreg, you can delete unit/:7100 path, then you have to edit the others fonts paths. now fonts are in /usr/share/fonts/X11/ |
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| 15:28.24 | burepe | how do I pick that number evaded |
| 15:28.25 | robste | if i start the system the error mesaage is that gdm cannot be started. I should reconfigure gdm or install X. During the installation i choosed to install x |
| 15:28.26 | evaded | burepe: You need to know the chipset of the tuner part |
| 15:28.46 | bengrubb | evaded: no there is nothing in 'ls /tmp/vhcs2*' |
| 15:28.55 | evaded | burepe: Give me the output of lspci, or to someone here. I go to eat in 3 minutes and comme back in 45 minutes |
| 15:28.57 | stew | susanka: set it the way you want it, then alsactl store |
| 15:29.07 | evaded | bengrubb: So there are nothings like you say |
| 15:29.22 | burepe | evaded rus the card is a kworld pvr 7130 with a ntsc checked on the card. in the command "sudo modprobe saa7134 card=3 tuner=2" the number with tuner depends on the frequency type right? is that determined by the card or where I live? I live in Japan by the way. |
| 15:29.23 | bengrubb | hmm ben wonders why |
| 15:29.35 | evaded | bengrubb: There are nothings bad with you're command, just there are nothing on that location |
| 15:29.56 | evaded | burepe: You not listen what i say you |
| 15:29.57 | susanka | stew, i set it to 90% with alsamixer when i restart my box the setting is ervery time on 100% |
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| 15:30.03 | bengrubb | im following this dam tutorial word for word then all of a suddenn boomp |
| 15:30.10 | stew | susanka: did you alsactl store? |
| 15:30.11 | bengrubb | p.s boomb = sound effect |
| 15:30.13 | burepe | that is what lspci put out |
| 15:30.24 | burepe | evaded that is what lspci said |
| 15:30.45 | susanka | stew, sry dont know what you exactly mean |
| 15:30.48 | simmerz | i dont need to have a separate /boot partition, do i? |
| 15:30.51 | evaded | burepe: ok, moment |
| 15:31.00 | stew | susanka: set it to 90 then run this command, "alsactl store" |
| 15:31.06 | burepe | evaded I will paste to #flood |
| 15:31.15 | stew | robste: we need to know the actual errors you are getting, look for lines starting with (EE) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:31.29 | stew | robste: or even better would be to post the whole log to a pastebin |
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| 15:31.44 | evaded | burepe: I need to eat now, im come back in 45 minutes or so |
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| 15:31.57 | susanka | stew, ok thank you :) |
| 15:32.00 | robste | okay i will tery to get them. i have to reboot (typing from M$) |
| 15:32.11 | burepe | ok |
| 15:32.13 | burepe | thanks |
| 15:32.31 | REDZIK | hi all |
| 15:32.43 | evaded | burepe: It not help you really but really interest http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 15:33.05 | jackman_knoppix | help |
| 15:33.13 | Eulex | !knoppix |
| 15:33.16 | Marshmellow | hey |
| 15:33.18 | Eulex | @knoppix |
| 15:33.19 | ravenbird | i heard knoppix is a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based on Debian Woody. It has almost 2GB in comprsessed volume, it works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, or like cancer, or /join #knoppix. NOT ... |
| 15:33.22 | Marshmellow | mysqldump -uroot -p < sql.file isn't working lol |
| 15:33.27 | Marshmellow | anyonek now another way? |
| 15:33.37 | stew | Marshmellow: mysqldump -uroot -p > sql.file |
| 15:33.42 | Marshmellow | no |
| 15:33.45 | Marshmellow | trynna PUT a file in |
| 15:33.49 | Marshmellow | i remember there was a diff one |
| 15:33.51 | Marshmellow | mysqladmin? mysql? |
| 15:34.01 | Marshmellow | i saw it in a forum i didi t before |
| 15:34.02 | Eulex | @knoppix =~ s/comprsessed/compressed/ |
| 15:34.03 | ravenbird | OK, Eulex |
| 15:34.07 | struct | Marshmellow: so mysql -u root -p database < sql.file ? |
| 15:34.14 | Marshmellow | yeah that may be it |
| 15:34.22 | evaded | Marshmellow: without the space between '-u root'?? eating |
| 15:34.35 | struct | whats going on with xorg? |
| 15:34.38 | bengrubb | on this tutorial on line 15 to 20 are there any mistakes? http://www.howtoforge.com/vhcs_debian_sarge_setup |
| 15:34.39 | jackman_knoppix | Could someone please, please use a moment with my so I could try to figure out whats wrong here with my wlan |
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| 15:34.48 | Marshmellow | se near 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line 7 |
| 15:34.49 | Marshmellow | argh |
| 15:34.49 | struct | 7.0.12 is in today but it does not work |
| 15:34.51 | Marshmellow | but i sql dumped it out |
| 15:34.53 | bengrubb | on instructions* |
| 15:34.56 | Marshmellow | what could be causing that error? |
| 15:35.16 | bengrubb | soory instructions 10 - 15 |
| 15:35.19 | acollins | does anyone know how to tell gdm to wait longer for the X server to start before trying again? |
| 15:35.26 | bengrubb | gah im tired |
| 15:35.39 | struct | Marshmellow: thats what mysqldump is for |
| 15:35.46 | struct | Marshmellow: its for dumping it out |
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| 15:36.03 | struct | Marshmellow: #mysql might be a better place for what you need |
| 15:36.06 | Marshmellow | naw mysqldump isnt working |
| 15:36.07 | Marshmellow | k |
| 15:36.18 | struct | Marshmellow: mysqldump gets it out only |
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| 15:36.20 | struct | Marshmellow: not in |
| 15:36.50 | struct | Marshmellow: mysqldump only creates a sql file with sql statements in it that can be read back in to a database |
| 15:37.12 | struct | Marshmellow: which is why to get the info back in you need to use the mysql client |
| 15:38.44 | valdyn | !tell jackman_knoppix -about ask |
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| 15:38.54 | valdyn | jackman_knoppix: knoppix is off topic here, try #knoppix |
| 15:39.21 | karim | does anyone managed to make work TV out of Radeons without proprietary drivers ? |
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| 15:39.51 | Zikkeddu | salve ragazzi |
| 15:39.55 | Zikkeddu | buone feste |
| 15:39.58 | jackman_knoppix | not to be rude I know.. but I have tried several times.. and in three days I have tried ot fix this and here it seems that there are people with knowledge.. |
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| 15:40.21 | Zikkeddu | c'č per caso un'anima caritatevole che mi puņ dare una mano? |
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| 15:40.33 | bbrazil | !it |
| 15:40.41 | Zikkeddu | si |
| 15:40.55 | thingfish | @it |
| 15:40.55 | ravenbird | "It" is a clown that eats children but turns out to be a spider sorta thing. |
| 15:41.02 | thingfish | ? |
| 15:41.11 | bbrazil | Zikkeddu: #debian.it |
| 15:41.18 | Zikkeddu | thanks |
| 15:41.29 | thingfish | oh well. Zikkeddu, there's an italian channel - #debian-it |
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| 15:42.35 | bbrazil | !test |
| 15:42.42 | bbrazil | ah, broken dpkg |
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| 15:42.57 | thingfish | ~it |
| 15:42.58 | apt | "It" is a clown that eats children but turns out to be a spider sorta thing. |
| 15:43.03 | thingfish | well damn |
| 15:43.05 | bbrazil | @it is also /join #debian-it |
| 15:43.05 | ravenbird | I think you lost me on that one, bbrazil |
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| 15:44.10 | Martiini | I get those apt-get update errors every time I install W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 15:44.13 | BladeRunner05 | hi all sir, happy easter wich is the correct path for rc.local file ? |
| 15:44.37 | thingfish | I would tell apt and ravenbird what to say, but my italian is too lousy. |
| 15:44.45 | Martiini | what are those gpg verification errors? |
| 15:44.59 | bbrazil | BladeRunner05: debian doesn't have rc.local. Use an init.d script |
| 15:45.13 | bloom | is there a way to configure gpg-agent and ssh-agent to not prompt for a password until you actually use the key? |
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| 15:45.36 | bbrazil | thingfish: dpkg's database is on the web somewhere iirc |
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| 15:45.43 | r_marvin | bloom: what key? :) |
| 15:45.53 | bloom | my own private keys |
| 15:46.03 | BladeRunner05 | bbrazil sure |
| 15:46.03 | _rene_ | bloom: gpg-agent does exactly that |
| 15:46.05 | r_marvin | until you type the passphrase, the agents don't know the keys |
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| 15:46.26 | bloom | so if I just run gpg-agent without specifying any keys |
| 15:46.31 | prudhvi | which package provides xcompmgr |
| 15:46.33 | bloom | then get an encrypted message |
| 15:46.44 | _rene_ | for ssh-agent, well, just do ssh-add when you want to... |
| 15:46.44 | bloom | gpg-agent should ask me the password and load the keys automatically? |
| 15:46.49 | robste | robste (the newbie with x-problems again) i have the X-Server output |
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| 15:47.11 | bloom | _rene_: ideally I'd like to automate that step |
| 15:47.18 | _rene_ | bloom: it will ask you for the passphrase when you need it, yes |
| 15:47.26 | Eclipser | I need to get my midi keyboard working... |
| 15:47.44 | bloom | _rene_: how do I do that. ssh-add seems to want the password immediately |
| 15:48.04 | _rene_ | and? I didn't say anything else. read again. |
| 15:48.14 | _rene_ | I spoke about *gpg*-agent |
| 15:48.18 | bloom | oh |
| 15:48.25 | _rene_ | for ssh-agent, just run ssh-agent when you want, again |
| 15:48.31 | bloom | gpg-agent (at least as invoked by keychain) seems to want the password immediately |
| 15:48.37 | _rene_ | or just do some wrapper of some kind |
| 15:48.52 | _rene_ | bloom: well, then use it sanely. |
| 15:48.56 | bloom | _rene_: I really wouldn't like to do a wrapper, but that's what I do now |
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| 15:49.11 | _rene_ | it doesn't here. no keychain or something like that, though |
| 15:49.23 | _rene_ | only telling gpg it should use the agent. end of story |
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| 15:51.03 | simmerz | dont understand why i am getting this error off a standard sarge install: www.initforthe.com/snapshot8.png |
| 15:51.05 | bloom | _rene_: you don't have to do anything to explicitly start the agent? |
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| 15:52.13 | bengrubb | heh panic |
| 15:52.29 | robste | #flood GDM: Xserver not found /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 ERROR Command could not be executed! Please install the X Server or correct GDM configuration and restart gdm |
| 15:53.00 | markit | is twm still good for xorg 7.0? seems has been removed, making startx broken |
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| 15:56.22 | vosti | robste, just make a link to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg |
| 15:57.08 | robste | An how can i do that |
| 15:57.28 | vosti | robste, are you using debian unstable? |
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| 15:57.40 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 15:57.50 | lkthomas | does anyone know how could I vnc into an existing session ? |
| 15:57.54 | markit | startx opens X and 3 windows + clock, instead of KDE... any clue about how to fix? |
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| 15:59.20 | bengrubb | hey what do i type to see what's in a folder in deb |
| 15:59.56 | bengrubb | oh |
| 15:59.57 | bengrubb | dir |
| 16:00.03 | bengrubb | dog |
| 16:00.06 | bengrubb | doh* |
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| 16:02.09 | bengrubb | is there a command for searching through the files? |
| 16:02.20 | holdenSK | grep |
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| 16:02.47 | robste | yes i use debian unstable (official etch snpshot) |
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| 16:04.31 | holdenSK | robste: you got it bad: etch snapshot would be testing :) |
| 16:04.41 | bengrubb | hmm still stuck on this line... |
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| 16:05.20 | bloom | _rene_: I got it to work with keychain |
| 16:05.24 | HPS`Fresh | guys |
| 16:05.31 | bloom | _rene_: keychain -q ${HOME}/.ssh/id_rsa ${HOME}/.ssh/id_dsa --agent gpg,ssh |
| 16:05.33 | HPS`Fresh | i need an advice |
| 16:05.34 | robste | does that mean that this is agernal problem of this unstable version and not my configuration mistake |
| 16:05.39 | bloom | _rene_: it's not working with kmail though |
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| 16:05.53 | HPS`Fresh | a can`t compile kde 3.5.2 in debian |
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| 16:06.31 | thingfish | HPS`Fresh: I think backports.org has KDE 3.5. |
| 16:06.43 | HPS`Fresh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.52 | HPS`Fresh | thingfish 3.5.0 but not 3.5.2 |
| 16:06.52 | thingfish | for sarge |
| 16:06.57 | thingfish | :/ |
| 16:07.09 | HPS`Fresh | thingfish and it tooooooooooooo buggy |
| 16:07.34 | HPS`Fresh | thingfish many apps falls to segfault |
| 16:07.43 | thingfish | yeah I'm not liking backports.org myself, really - had trouble with their kernel. I just use firefox from there now. |
| 16:08.08 | thingfish | oh, and gaim. |
| 16:08.10 | dodo | I'm trying lvm2 .. do a lvcreate i get divice-mapper ioctrl cmd 9 failed: but a lvscan show's lv as active (i on sarge2) |
| 16:08.56 | dodo | do you think this will work ? |
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| 16:13.31 | simmerz | would the error on www.initforthe.com/snapshot8.png be anything to do with acpi or apm being enabled? |
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| 16:14.30 | jammyflynn20 | can anyone give me any pointer on installing java on debian |
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| 16:14.57 | path_ | sure |
| 16:15.13 | jammyflynn20 | ok but before you help me one more question |
| 16:15.15 | path_ | jammyflynn20 have you ever checked the java guide on gentoo-wiki? |
| 16:15.23 | jammyflynn20 | whick linux |
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| 16:15.26 | jammyflynn20 | sorry |
| 16:15.31 | jammyflynn20 | no ill have a look first |
| 16:15.45 | jammyflynn20 | which linux is more gui friendly |
| 16:15.46 | path_ | :B |
| 16:15.56 | jammyflynn20 | as for installing applications |
| 16:16.01 | jammyflynn20 | and running them |
| 16:16.08 | jammyflynn20 | im using debian 3.1 |
| 16:16.15 | jammyflynn20 | cant work the suite out |
| 16:16.19 | path_ | what about synaptics? |
| 16:16.25 | path_ | dont you use it? |
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| 16:16.40 | jammyflynn20 | whats synaptics |
| 16:16.54 | jammyflynn20 | by the way i dont want use live linux its very limited |
| 16:17.14 | r_marvin | synaptic - it's a gui version of aptitude, if you can say that |
| 16:17.16 | path_ | synaptic I mean |
| 16:17.18 | path_ | yep |
| 16:17.35 | r_marvin | synaptics it's a driver for some touchpads :) |
| 16:17.45 | path_ | oh yeah |
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| 16:17.50 | path_ | my t41 uses that one |
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| 16:17.58 | r_marvin | oh, that's without an s, too, iirc |
| 16:18.24 | path_ | xD |
| 16:18.34 | jammyflynn20 | im wanting to use linux on a pc not touchpad |
| 16:18.56 | path_ | <r_marvin> synaptic - it's a gui version of aptitude, if you can say that |
| 16:19.00 | path_ | there you have |
| 16:19.26 | path_ | you want to install packages easily? synaptic will helps you |
| 16:19.30 | thingfish | jammyflynn20: synaptic is very handy, and very easy for newbies to use. |
| 16:19.36 | r_marvin | it's a package management application |
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| 16:19.49 | thingfish | jammyflynn20: you can search for packages, install them, remove them...whatever. |
| 16:20.02 | jimmy_ | hi guys :) |
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| 16:20.56 | jimmy_ | I don't know if this question is really debian related, I'll give it a shot anyway |
| 16:21.09 | jimmy_ | when I'm booting my system |
| 16:21.27 | jimmy_ | my interfaces get an IP through dhcp on my router |
| 16:21.33 | jammyflynn20 | i know but i thought witho many people being in here that u may know of linux os that is more gui |
| 16:21.40 | jimmy_ | sometimes, when my wireless network is a little bit broken |
| 16:21.46 | jimmy_ | it fails |
| 16:21.46 | jammyflynn20 | then debian |
| 16:21.48 | jimmy_ | no problem |
| 16:21.57 | jimmy_ | when my system is completely booted |
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| 16:22.07 | jimmy_ | I fix my router via a restart or something |
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| 16:22.25 | jimmy_ | and I restart my networking, or bring my interface online |
| 16:22.37 | jimmy_ | I can't do anything networkrelated |
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| 16:22.53 | jimmy_ | in ifconfig I can see my IP that was obtained via dhcp |
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| 16:22.59 | jimmy_ | my nameservers are updated |
| 16:23.06 | jimmy_ | but I can't do a single thing |
| 16:23.28 | dererk | Hey, I'm wondering why this rules from .procmailrc isn't working: |
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| 16:23.43 | dererk | :0 |
| 16:23.43 | dererk | * ^Subject:.*[list] |
| 16:23.49 | dererk | { /dev/null } |
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| 16:24.12 | dererk | It's supposed to filter all subjects with "[list]" on it |
| 16:24.13 | jimmy_ | so briefly my problem is: if my networkinterface can't obtain an IP during boottime, no matter what I do after the system is booted, I can't do anything networkrelated. my system tells me otherwise though |
| 16:25.04 | dererk | jimmy_, could you check if you have "auto interface" ? |
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| 16:25.11 | jimmy_ | yes I do |
| 16:25.13 | dererk | Anyone knows? |
| 16:25.17 | jimmy_ | the weird thing is |
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| 16:25.25 | jimmy_ | when my interface DOES get an IP-adres |
| 16:25.27 | jimmy_ | address that is |
| 16:25.43 | jimmy_ | and a tool such as ifconfig tells me that my interface is fine |
| 16:25.46 | dererk | jimmy_, is it a pcmcia nic? |
| 16:25.50 | jimmy_ | and my nameservers for example are updated |
| 16:25.52 | evaded | burepe: Are you always there? |
| 16:25.57 | jimmy_ | I still can't do anything ;p |
| 16:26.05 | jimmy_ | dererk: nope |
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| 16:26.15 | jimmy_ | dererk: I have the same problem with my wireless interface, iw2200 |
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| 16:26.25 | jimmy_ | and a regular wired interface |
| 16:26.37 | dererk | jimmy_, in the same machine? |
| 16:26.43 | burepe | yeah |
| 16:26.46 | burepe | evaded |
| 16:26.47 | jimmy_ | dererk: yes |
| 16:26.55 | burepe | I got the card working kind |
| 16:26.56 | burepe | a |
| 16:27.07 | jimmy_ | dererk: but most of the time, I only have 1 interface enabled, and that's my wireless |
| 16:27.25 | jimmy_ | if I reboot though, and my interface does obtain an IP |
| 16:27.27 | dererk | Anyone know what should not be correct in that procmail rule? I think it's ok |
| 16:27.29 | jimmy_ | everything 's fine |
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| 16:27.32 | m4y | can anybody help me with deb packages |
| 16:27.34 | evaded | burepe: Have you find the shipset of you're tunner? |
| 16:27.41 | m4y | and installation priv |
| 16:27.45 | mc__ | m4y,dont aks to ask just ask |
| 16:27.54 | m4y | ok |
| 16:28.01 | jimmy_ | so I can only connect to the internet when my interface gets an IP at boot time, not after it, no matter what I set and what the system tells me ;p |
| 16:28.04 | burepe | evaded look at this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/663221 It has the card=5 and tuner=2 in dmesg |
| 16:28.04 | dererk | mc__, too many "asks" there :P |
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| 16:28.24 | dererk | jimmy_, could you c&p on pastebin you /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 16:28.26 | mc__ | dererk, ^^ |
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| 16:28.37 | elbow | CAN I HAVE QUESTION |
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| 16:28.39 | mc__ | m4y, so whats your problem? |
| 16:28.40 | jimmy_ | I sure can, just a sec |
| 16:28.51 | dererk | elbow, Yeah, but please dont shout :) |
| 16:28.58 | elbow | WHICH IS THE BEST VIRTUALL MACHINE |
| 16:28.58 | mc__ | elbow, read the channel guidelins first |
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| 16:29.07 | elbow | UNDER ubuntu |
| 16:29.20 | mc__ | elbow, stupid question,sun's of course |
| 16:29.22 | dererk | elbow, It depends on how you define "best" |
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| 16:29.28 | evaded | burepe: It's possible that the system detect an bad one, like be my. On this page http://bttv-gallery.de/ you find the shipset informations. I have forget you're card :-/ |
| 16:29.34 | elbow | the most quickly |
| 16:29.41 | dererk | mc__, sun's? |
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| 16:29.42 | elbow | i would like install XP into |
| 16:29.44 | m4y | I`m using dpkg and when I`m trying install package I`have problem with relations, I mean i need other packages... to install but when i download other package then it need another one |
| 16:29.45 | jimmy_ | http://pastebin.com/663301 |
| 16:29.48 | jimmy_ | there ya go |
| 16:29.49 | m4y | can I do it easier |
| 16:29.51 | m4y | ??? |
| 16:30.00 | mc__ | m4y, of course |
| 16:30.02 | holdenSK | m4y: apt-get |
| 16:30.05 | m4y | how ??? |
| 16:30.10 | m4y | sory I`m new |
| 16:30.15 | mc__ | m4y, apt-get or aptitude |
| 16:30.21 | m4y | ok I will try |
| 16:30.23 | m4y | thanks |
| 16:30.23 | evaded | burepe: Can you give again ;-) that card brand. Im to lassy to search in my long log files |
| 16:30.28 | mc__ | m4y, aptitude is more userfriendly ,it has a gui |
| 16:30.28 | m4y | be back in a minute |
| 16:30.35 | mc__ | m4y, good luck |
| 16:30.41 | m4y | ok i will try aptitude |
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| 16:31.07 | dererk | mc__, btw, how good you are at procmail rules filtring? :PPP |
| 16:31.25 | elbow | sun's is the name off package? |
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| 16:31.30 | mc__ | dererk, never did that sorry |
| 16:31.33 | elbow | bcs i cant find it |
| 16:31.39 | mc__ | elbow, www.java.com |
| 16:31.52 | m4y | thx |
| 16:31.54 | dererk | mc__, haha, don't worry :) |
| 16:32.41 | mc__ | m4y, do you enjoy using debian? |
| 16:32.49 | dererk | mc__, <elbow> WHICH IS THE BEST VIRTUALL MACHINE <-- I think he meant a processor emulator XD |
| 16:32.50 | m4y | yes of course |
| 16:33.07 | m4y | but if you want to start with debian you must be patient :D |
| 16:33.11 | mc__ | dererk, ups |
| 16:33.12 | thingfish | m4y: sometimes newbies find synaptic easier to use. |
| 16:33.30 | m4y | synaptic ? |
| 16:33.33 | dererk | m4y, We do too, and, as you are new, you have the largest way to learn |
| 16:33.35 | mc__ | m4y, try OpenBSD then you'll what patience means ;) |
| 16:33.36 | evaded | burepe: I got him in my log |
| 16:33.42 | burepe | I got the card working |
| 16:33.57 | burepe | it is a kworld 7130 |
| 16:34.00 | dererk | mc__, lmao |
| 16:34.00 | thingfish | m4y: it's a gui app to install and remove packages with. |
| 16:34.01 | burepe | ntsc |
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| 16:34.09 | prudhvi | Which Package provides eye candy Features for Xorg ? |
| 16:34.11 | m4y | my friend is using FreeBSD and Hi is happy with that he starts with it |
| 16:34.26 | dererk | mc__, let the kid be happy for a while... are you planning to kill him ? XD |
| 16:34.35 | jimmy_ | prudhvi: xgl ;p |
| 16:34.47 | burepe | I got it working with the command "sudo modprobe saa7134 card=5 tuner=2" |
| 16:34.47 | elbow | yes I mean machine whre i can install XP |
| 16:34.50 | elbow | windows |
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| 16:34.51 | mc__ | m4y, i used freebsd for half a year |
| 16:34.51 | prudhvi | jimmy_, i know. i am asking for a Debian package |
| 16:35.02 | jimmy_ | http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 16:35.04 | burepe | evaded I got it working with the command "sudo modprobe saa7134 card=5 tuner=2" but there is no sound |
| 16:35.19 | dererk | elbow, I like qemu with kqemu accel patch. But there're other good options too |
| 16:35.20 | mc__ | dererk, lol ,it wont kill him,it will make him stronger |
| 16:35.24 | jimmy_ | you can download rpm's there |
| 16:35.28 | jimmy_ | you can alien them ;p |
| 16:35.30 | dererk | mc__, xDDD |
| 16:35.30 | mc__ | elbow, vmware player |
| 16:35.34 | jimmy_ | the howto is nice too |
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| 16:35.44 | dererk | mc__, as you get alcohol resistent? XD |
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| 16:35.55 | evaded | burepe: Have you been that little audio cable in the output of the TV card to the input of you're sound card? |
| 16:35.56 | mc__ | dererk, lol |
| 16:36.14 | dererk | brb |
| 16:36.15 | evaded | burepe: I guess, you're using 'tvtime', right? |
| 16:36.19 | jammyflynn20 | has anyone tried slax live --- is theres a linux os thats more or less the same |
| 16:36.23 | m4y | thingfish: i`m downloading packages 4 my debian now and now i see what patience means :D |
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| 16:36.53 | evaded | burepe: You can test it with simple headset from you're walkman or so, just to see if it been work. |
| 16:37.14 | mc__ | dererk, how long are ya using debian? |
| 16:37.34 | burepe | evaded yeah I did that but it is not working |
| 16:37.35 | dererk | jimmy_, I think it doesnt matter, but just left "auto lo \ iface lo inet loopback" instead of what you have there |
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| 16:37.49 | dererk | mc__, not too enought I'm afraid :-( |
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| 16:38.04 | jimmy_ | dererk: could that really cause a problem? |
| 16:38.06 | dererk | I regret not to have started here before |
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| 16:38.21 | dererk | jimmy_, don't know, but It's what I would put there |
| 16:38.25 | mc__ | dererk, but how long? |
| 16:38.33 | dererk | mc__, about 2 years |
| 16:38.42 | mc__ | dererk, thats nice |
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| 16:38.55 | mc__ | dererk, im using it again since yesterday |
| 16:39.05 | evaded | burepe: I have got the same problem. At first instance the sound was not working. Sudently done. I not know how and im sure that i had not do anything additional to get that sound working |
| 16:39.14 | dererk | mc__, Great! Welcome to the "Desert of the Real" :D |
| 16:39.23 | jimmy_ | dererk: I'll give it a shot, I'll simulate a non-working router at my next reboot ;p |
| 16:39.24 | sugoruyo | hi all |
| 16:39.26 | jammyflynn20 | has anyone actually managed to set a geforce graphics card up on debian yet |
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| 16:39.36 | mc__ | dererk, hehe,before i used FreeBSD |
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| 16:39.43 | mc__ | dererk, and NetBSD |
| 16:39.47 | evaded | burepe: What i can sugest it to unload all the modules related to you're TV card an reload it all now with the rigth params |
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| 16:40.02 | dererk | mc__, so, you reached the bottom xD |
| 16:40.03 | jimmy_ | jammyflynn20: sure, wich brand? |
| 16:40.04 | mc__ | dererk, and many others i was OS hopping,even used gentoo for 3 month |
| 16:40.17 | jimmy_ | mc__: aah, the "compile" OS ;p |
| 16:40.20 | elbow | do you know link for that "vmware player" bcs synaptic cant find it |
| 16:40.28 | mc__ | dererk, gentoo==the bottom |
| 16:40.29 | dererk | jammyflynn20, It's not a bit deal |
| 16:40.31 | jimmy_ | mc__: you needed three months to compile the while thing? ;p |
| 16:40.36 | jammyflynn20 | geforce2 |
| 16:40.43 | burepe | evaded what are the right parameters? I thought I had it right? what should it be? I have pictures but no sound |
| 16:40.43 | mc__ | jimmy_, lol |
| 16:40.45 | jammyflynn20 | debian 3.1 |
| 16:40.50 | evaded | burepe: So that you now all load it. Like i guest that you have play with loading, unloading... |
| 16:40.56 | odla | mc__: netbsd is pretty nice |
| 16:40.57 | jimmy_ | s/while/whole/ btw |
| 16:40.58 | dererk | jammyflynn20, It's not a big* deal. You have two options |
| 16:41.07 | dererk | Three really, jammyflynn20. |
| 16:41.07 | jammyflynn20 | whats the options |
| 16:41.10 | mc__ | odla, yes it is very very very fast |
| 16:41.21 | jammyflynn20 | im getting crippled by trying to install |
| 16:41.22 | dererk | jammyflynn20, Use Vesa controller (not the better option) |
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| 16:41.39 | dererk | jammyflynn20, Use nv Xorg/free controller |
| 16:41.40 | jammyflynn20 | running into allsorts of problems |
| 16:41.44 | dererk | A better one |
| 16:41.46 | mc__ | but i've never seen any other OS(and i really tried lots of!) that is as much comfortabel as debian |
| 16:42.03 | dererk | and use "nvidia" propierty controllers, jammyflynn20 |
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| 16:42.14 | dererk | It deppends on you |
| 16:42.20 | jimmy_ | I have a ati radeon x700 card |
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| 16:42.24 | evaded | Like on that one -> http://bttv-gallery.de/ So you know wish chip are related to and on http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/BTTV/#TUNMOD you find the good numbers to use |
| 16:42.27 | markit | debian sid.. what should X -version show? here X Window System Version 7.0.0 .. is it ok? |
| 16:42.29 | jimmy_ | +n |
| 16:42.33 | jimmy_ | I'm using fglrx :p |
| 16:42.46 | jammyflynn20 | nv xorg/free do i download this then |
| 16:42.53 | mc__ | markit, yes thats ok |
| 16:42.55 | muntyan_ | it's perhaps offtopic, but is it possible to make debian of ubuntu by changing apt/sources.list? |
| 16:43.06 | mc__ | dererk, are you using stable? |
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| 16:43.16 | muntyan_ | maybe someone did that? |
| 16:43.29 | markit | wondering why startx still fails |
| 16:43.45 | gravity | markit: What's the error? |
| 16:43.46 | jimmy_ | don't you get an error? |
| 16:43.55 | mc__ | muntyan_, you can make your debian more like Ubuntu like that |
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| 16:44.10 | markit | well, it starts X but not KDE |
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| 16:44.25 | jimmy_ | try starting 'kdm' |
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| 16:44.33 | gravity | markit: So you get the grey hatching and that's it? Maybe a weird window manager and maybe a term? |
| 16:44.40 | leaveone | can anyone offer some advice to the following problem.. i installed debian on a friends computer with a rather old video card.. from 2002 or something.. i installed the nvidia drivers and set his resolution to 1280x1024.. the screen looks fine when when i reboot the gdm login screen doesnt scale to that resolution |
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| 16:45.07 | jimmy_ | is the resolution added in your xorg.conf? |
| 16:45.12 | markit | gravity: I get 3 windows + a clock, but not kde, maybe it runs twm |
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| 16:45.13 | others | hi |
| 16:45.31 | gravity | markit: Right. That's a bug that's been fixed in incoming. If you want, you can download the xbase-clients package in incoming.debian.org |
| 16:45.33 | others | i have a problem. I added new user and now audio doesn't work here |
| 16:45.36 | gravity | markit: If not, you'll get it on update tonight |
| 16:45.37 | leaveone | we are using xf86config-4 |
| 16:45.42 | others | as well as OpenGL |
| 16:45.43 | others | .. |
| 16:45.47 | others | what should I do? |
| 16:46.18 | markit | gravity: ok, thanks a lot, I have found nothing with google about it |
| 16:46.33 | tim_flatus | entheogen, you added a new user? is that all? |
| 16:46.36 | leaveone | jimmy_, but yes i have added it to the xfree86 file.. and ive run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it still hasnt helped |
| 16:46.42 | gravity | markit: No problem |
| 16:46.49 | evaded | entheogen: Have you give him audio rights? |
| 16:46.50 | entheogen | I added new user, started X with that new user |
| 16:46.58 | entheogen | but I don't have sound |
| 16:47.04 | evaded | entheogen: Audio right |
| 16:47.12 | tim_flatus | entheogen, group permissions |
| 16:47.13 | entheogen | nor I can start OpenGL application eg. 3ddesktop |
| 16:47.16 | mc__ | entheogen, try add that user to the group audio and cdrom |
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| 16:47.42 | entheogen | what is the command to change group for a user? |
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| 16:48.03 | entheogen | but I should mention that I have another user who can hear audio |
| 16:48.11 | entheogen | or start OpenGL apps |
| 16:49.17 | mc__ | entheogen, maybe he is in that groups |
| 16:49.24 | evaded | entheogen: Running an x one? users-admin?? |
| 16:49.33 | bibe | hi all. I am using etch on my laptop, I use KDE and Evolution. This morning I did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and after upgrading gnome-themes package (beside others) I have no icons in Evolution. Where can I check for the default icons I was used to have? |
| 16:49.42 | evaded | entheogen: Not in the cli way, i forget that command |
| 16:50.03 | entheogen | evaded: how do you mean runing and x one? :) |
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| 16:50.21 | evaded | entheogen: An grafical environment. Running X |
| 16:50.24 | bibe | entheogen : does 'adduser <username> <groupname>' work for you? |
| 16:50.46 | entheogen | evaded: I'm running X now |
| 16:50.50 | entheogen | if u meant that? |
| 16:51.09 | jammyflynn20 | installing nvidia drivers for debian is far too tough for me what would i gain anyway |
| 16:51.12 | evaded | entheogen: Yes, like i'm a bit strange |
| 16:51.17 | jammyflynn20 | would i gain biggerscreensizes |
| 16:51.18 | jammyflynn20 | ? |
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| 16:51.42 | evaded | entheogen: Have you see what bibe have say? He give the cli method |
| 16:51.56 | entheogen | yes I saw |
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| 16:52.42 | entheogen | so I should now delethe this new user and add it again? |
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| 16:52.43 | evaded | entheogen: It's better to use an memorise that one |
| 16:52.43 | tim_flatus | entheogen, man chgrp |
| 16:52.43 | m4y | ok my teacher is hidding so culd somebody help me, I`m on knoppix(Debian) fluxbox and I`m trying to install app aclock to have an small analog clock on my fluxbox but when i`m trying to do it with dpkg it says that I have problem with relations, and when i`m trying aptitude, a highlight pocket press + and i get notice that some relations are not satisfied |
| 16:52.43 | bibe | entheogen : and remember, you have to re-login into X to have your user change groups |
| 16:52.45 | abrotman | m4y: go to #knoppix |
| 16:52.50 | tim_flatus | entheogen, ignore that. |
| 16:53.07 | m4y | ok w will try |
| 16:53.16 | entheogen | chgrp |
| 16:53.18 | evaded | I find i happy that i also could learn |
| 16:53.19 | entheogen | ok i'll try that |
| 16:53.22 | jammyflynn20 | ive installed debian 3.1 expecting a realy nice dektop (seen them online) so am i missing something do i need to download somthing |
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| 16:53.33 | abrotman | jammyflynn20: which desktop do you want? |
| 16:53.44 | jammyflynn20 | any |
| 16:53.45 | bibe | entheogen : chgrp isn't definitely what you are looking for |
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| 16:53.52 | jammyflynn20 | just not that basic one |
| 16:53.53 | abrotman | jammyflynn20: most people have a preference |
| 16:53.59 | evaded | abrotman: The 2 most popular one i guess, |
| 16:54.02 | jammyflynn20 | a windows layout |
| 16:54.06 | tim_flatus | bibe, sorry, you were right. |
| 16:54.07 | abrotman | like .. gnome or kde or fluxbox or something like that |
| 16:54.08 | JeffH | Is there a debian based distro that does a better job at keeping up to date with packages? |
| 16:54.11 | entheogen | I have another problem. KDM starts on resolution 19xx |
| 16:54.15 | bibe | tim_flatus : no problem |
| 16:54.20 | abrotman | JeffH: we wouldn't know anything about it |
| 16:54.24 | evaded | abrotman: The 2 first you say i was meaning |
| 16:54.26 | entheogen | and in XF86Config-4 max resultion is 1152 (i added that) |
| 16:54.29 | abrotman | jammyflynn20: apt-get instlal x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 16:54.35 | abrotman | jammyflynn20: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 16:54.38 | m4y | abortman but somebody told me that when you install knoppix on your hard drive you actually get debian, is that true ? |
| 16:54.38 | entheogen | so what should I do to start KDM in 1152? |
| 16:54.39 | jammyflynn20 | where do i type that |
| 16:54.40 | abrotman | stupid typoes |
| 16:54.42 | entheogen | I installed ATI drivers.. |
| 16:54.45 | abrotman | m4y: go to #debian |
| 16:54.47 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:54.51 | abrotman | m4y: go to #knoppix |
| 16:54.54 | bibe | m4y : not true |
| 16:55.03 | m4y | right... |
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| 16:55.54 | entheogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.54 | entheogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.54 | entheogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.54 | entheogen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.04 | JeffH | would I be crazy to network boot Linux/X86 through a wireless g network |
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| 16:56.11 | magyar | any news for xorg, i tried installing etch or sid but both repos are badly broken.(amd64) |
| 16:56.20 | abrotman | JeffH: on debian? |
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| 16:56.31 | JeffH | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:56.31 | entheogen | i'm sorry |
| 16:56.33 | entheogen | i did that accidentaly |
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| 16:56.48 | entheogen | so what should I do to set KDM resolution?? |
| 16:56.49 | bibe | magyar : the /topic says that Sid's horribly broken |
| 16:56.58 | abrotman | JeffH: probably depends on your network and your wireless card |
| 16:57.04 | evaded | entheogen: If you know what you have do and realise it. It already an good begin, not try it again ;-) |
| 16:57.05 | jammyflynn20 | ok so i type install x-window-system gnome gdm in root and it changes my desktop |
| 16:57.20 | abrotman | jammyflynn20: apt-get install <blah> |
| 16:57.20 | bibe | entheogen : /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers, IIRC |
| 16:57.22 | magyar | bibe: what about etch, i cant install "KDE" it also broken |
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| 16:57.50 | abrotman | !install kde |
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| 16:57.50 | dpkg | [install kde] In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:57.53 | abrotman | start smaller |
| 16:57.57 | npx | Is there some way to use 'gem' in debian (for ruby) ? |
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| 16:58.04 | mc__ | npx, |
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| 16:58.15 | mc__ | npx, yes ,getting and installing it manually |
| 16:58.19 | abrotman | npx: maybe ask #debian-ruby ? |
| 16:58.25 | JeffH | which version (stable, testing or unstable) would be best to use as the foundation for a MythTV box? |
| 16:58.32 | npx | abrotman thanks |
| 16:58.33 | tim_flatus | npx you can get gem from demudi repos |
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| 16:58.37 | entheogen | bibe: so what should I do with this Xservers file? |
| 16:58.56 | bibe | magyar : as abrotman says, start smaller. e.g: apt-cache show kde, try installing all the packages kde depends on, and exclude the broken one(s) |
| 16:58.58 | magyar | abrotman: i tried anyone of those, but some libcups is not available so kdelibrc2a or whatever cant be installed |
| 16:59.01 | bleurgh | has anyone managed to get lvm2create_initrd to create a working initrd in debian etch? |
| 16:59.09 | mc__ | npx, get it from http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubygems/ |
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| 16:59.19 | abrotman | magyar: so kdebase won't install? |
| 16:59.26 | mc__ | npx, extract it tar zxvf rubygems-0.8.11.tgz |
| 16:59.31 | magyar | abrotman: nope |
| 16:59.33 | bleurgh | i'm getting errors about init not found, because the logical volumes aren't being created |
| 16:59.40 | mc__ | npx, install it: cd rubygems-0.8.11 |
| 16:59.40 | mc__ | ruby setup.rb all |
| 16:59.45 | magyar | abrotman: from a clean install not a chance |
| 16:59.49 | npx | I want to use debian |
| 16:59.57 | npx | not demudi or anything else =P |
| 16:59.58 | mc__ | npx, thats not possible sorry |
| 17:00.04 | npx | ruby-pkg-tools |
| 17:00.05 | abrotman | magyar: install gnome? :) |
| 17:00.14 | magyar | abrotman: thats under etch, sid no problems but xorg7 is f-ed |
| 17:00.16 | tim_flatus | npx, I was thinking of pdgem anyway. |
| 17:00.28 | bibe | entheogen : kdm will use the X server resolution, if you changed XF86Config-4 recently it's possible that a simple /etc/init.d/kdm restart will take the changes. |
| 17:00.57 | d4d0 | anbody using windows services for unix and have succeeded in mounting nfs share? |
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| 17:01.03 | abrotman | magyar: so use debian stable ? |
| 17:01.05 | entheogen | bibe: but when I restart the computer and KDM starts again it is this same resolution, not 1152.. |
| 17:01.08 | yosef | Hi |
| 17:01.15 | mc__ | d4d0, thats really off topic |
| 17:01.17 | yosef | Does debian support NTFS |
| 17:01.27 | magyar | abrotman: right i f i onky could install it in SATA interface |
| 17:01.43 | magyar | i think debian is being missmanaged badly |
| 17:01.46 | abrotman | i'm sure you can |
| 17:01.49 | abrotman | magyar: then don't use it |
| 17:01.51 | bibe | entheogen : does XFree.0.log say X's using 1152? |
| 17:01.59 | abrotman | !tell magyar about sarge uni |
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| 17:02.08 | idP | hi |
| 17:02.19 | evaded | entheogen: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?? |
| 17:02.35 | jammyflynn20 | just found a tutorial ill put it in the window its about nvidia |
| 17:02.42 | idP | anyone knows a good utility to list my harware , cpu,system clock, rams ? |
| 17:02.42 | jammyflynn20 | i need some pointers |
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| 17:02.46 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:02.46 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 17:02.47 | entheogen | just a sec |
| 17:02.49 | mc__ | magyar, help making it better ;) |
| 17:02.58 | vosti | yosef, debian does not. it's the linux kernel that does. compile and load ntfs module |
| 17:03.08 | toma | Hi every body! I need Help (I'm FR) |
| 17:03.14 | idP | !hardware |
| 17:03.14 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 17:03.20 | toma | Who can help me? |
| 17:03.23 | magyar | mc__: i am trying to make some feedback, what about you? |
| 17:03.27 | toma | I try to compile KDE3.5 |
| 17:03.28 | entheogen | GetModeLine - hdsp: 1152 hbeg: 1216 hend: 1344 httl: 1600 |
| 17:03.30 | entheogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.33 | yosef | vosti: I have kernel 2.4, Can't I support it with ntfs? |
| 17:03.36 | mc__ | magyar, im not complaining |
| 17:03.47 | idP | anyone knows a good utility to list my harware , cpu,system clock, rams ? |
| 17:03.48 | entheogen | this is in XF*.log |
| 17:03.48 | toma | undefined reference to `SmcGetIceConnection' ->What can I do? |
| 17:04.00 | magyar | mc__: right and that makes you? |
| 17:04.04 | entheogen | there's no 19xx resolution in here.. |
| 17:04.05 | magyar | smart? |
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| 17:04.16 | vosti | yosef, 2.4 kernels supports ntfs, but it's more safe for you if you run a 2.6. |
| 17:04.18 | mc__ | magyar, nope |
| 17:04.21 | chealer | toma: ask #debian-kde |
| 17:04.28 | bibe | idP : kde control center? |
| 17:04.33 | entheogen | Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1 ----- what does this mean? |
| 17:04.36 | jammyflynn20 | sh NVIDIA-linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run |
| 17:04.37 | toma | chealer ok...I'll try thanks |
| 17:04.39 | magyar | mc__: than drop you smart comments |
| 17:04.42 | xzu | idP: dmesg, /proc/cpu /proc/meminfo |
| 17:04.44 | mc__ | magyar, but im trying to become a programmer,and im helping people getting started with debian |
| 17:04.44 | d4d0 | mc__: yes and no. im using debian... |
| 17:04.44 | toma | #debian-kde |
| 17:04.47 | toma | oups lol |
| 17:04.49 | idP | bibe: it gives full info? |
| 17:04.58 | mc__ | magyar, that makes me smart ;) |
| 17:05.02 | bibe | idP : it gives many info |
| 17:05.08 | vosti | yosef, in 2.4 you can only read a ntfs fs (you can also write but at you own risk). i think in 2.6 it's a little bit better, but i don't know exactly |
| 17:05.10 | yosef | vosti: so Why I cannot see my ntfs partition? I try to mount from sda 1 to 6\ |
| 17:05.13 | idP | ok |
| 17:05.24 | magyar | mc__: what ever makes you sleep better @ night dude |
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| 17:05.42 | mc__ | magyar, hehe |
| 17:05.48 | vosti | yosef, did you load ntfs support? |
| 17:05.50 | bibe | yosef : try fdisk -l /dev/sda and see what's the ntfs partition |
| 17:06.04 | yosef | vosti: No , I didn't |
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| 17:06.51 | yosef | bibe: no output for fdisk -l |
| 17:06.57 | vosti | yosef, do what bibe said. load ntfs module and then you can mount it |
| 17:07.12 | yosef | vosti: how to load ntfs module |
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| 17:07.25 | da5id_ | hi |
| 17:07.26 | zasr | linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:07.27 | vosti | yosef, modconf it's an easy way |
| 17:07.44 | vosti | is... |
| 17:08.09 | bibe | yosef : no output? |
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| 17:08.21 | yosef | bibe: yes, nothing |
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| 17:08.49 | yosef | vosti: commant not found |
| 17:08.50 | bibe | yosef : then your disk is not /dev/sda. Is it perhaps /dev/hda? |
| 17:08.52 | da5id_ | I'm running debian testing and cannot get dvd::rip to work. Whenever I try to grab a frame I get the following error message: mkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/dvdrip21371.ppm': File exists |
| 17:08.52 | da5id_ | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 17:08.52 | da5id_ | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 17:08.52 | da5id_ | LANGUAGE = "de_DE:de:en_GB:en", |
| 17:08.52 | da5id_ | LC_ALL = "de", |
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| 17:09.00 | jammyflynn20 | one question if install debian 3.1 the desktop enviroment can be changed by simple commands |
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| 17:09.20 | yosef | bibe: the fat partition is sda5, and the ntfs one in the same disk |
| 17:09.36 | bibe | jammyflynn20 : it can even be changed from the gdm itself |
| 17:09.43 | jammyflynn20 | how |
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| 17:09.55 | jammyflynn20 | the screen looks b/w |
| 17:09.59 | bibe | yosef : do you run 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' as root? |
| 17:10.01 | jammyflynn20 | but the games arnt? |
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| 17:10.04 | dfd | yo |
| 17:10.15 | jammyflynn20 | i dotn think so |
| 17:10.30 | jammyflynn20 | bibe what do you mean? |
| 17:11.09 | yosef | bibe: Yes , there is output for that in the root |
| 17:11.20 | vosti | yosef, apt-get install modconf |
| 17:11.21 | yosef | Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes |
| 17:11.21 | yosef | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders |
| 17:11.21 | yosef | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 17:11.21 | yosef | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.21 | yosef | /dev/sda1 * 1 1530 12289693+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 17:11.43 | jammyflynn20 | theres some realy nice desktops ive seen but mine looks dull also the screen size is small |
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| 17:11.53 | yosef | sorry, |
| 17:11.55 | bibe | jammyflynn20 : if you use gdm to login, you can select which DM to use, and if you want to use it for a single session or make it the default |
| 17:12.13 | yosef | bibe, I went out because I past many line here |
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| 17:12.23 | jammyflynn20 | how do i use gdm to login |
| 17:12.25 | bibe | yosef : ok, so /dev/sda1 is your NTFS partition |
| 17:12.41 | bibe | jammyflynn20 : apt-get install gdm, dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 17:12.43 | abrotman | !wm |
| 17:12.43 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. http://xwinman.org/ |
| 17:12.45 | evaded | jammyflynn20: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?? |
| 17:12.57 | abrotman | jammyflynn20: see http://xwinman.org/ .. choose the one you want |
| 17:13.02 | evaded | jammyflynn20: To reconfigure you're screen resolution etc... |
| 17:13.09 | mortal__ | you're = you are |
| 17:13.13 | mortal__ | your |
| 17:13.13 | jammyflynn20 | exelent thanks very much |
| 17:13.29 | Eclipser | sigh |
| 17:13.33 | Eclipser | jack sure doesn't like me |
| 17:13.36 | yosef | But when I'm opening it from the mount point, > the folder content cannot be fount! |
| 17:13.40 | nse | ei dpkg is back! |
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| 17:13.51 | Eclipser | I guess I'm forced to be creative (compose and stuffs) on windows |
| 17:13.55 | bibe | yosef : create an empty dir (say, /windows), then 'mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /windows' (as root) |
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| 17:15.09 | bibe | yosef : you can't access a partition content using "general" commands directly from its device, you _need_ to mount it |
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| 17:15.26 | yosef | bibe: browsing |
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| 17:16.07 | bibe | what is the target to pass to make-kpkg for compiling a xen-enabled kernel? |
| 17:16.24 | yosef | what is -t? I dont' know this |
| 17:17.04 | evaded | yosef: type |
| 17:17.11 | bibe | I use 'buildpackage' to compile linux-source, linux-headers, linux-image and so on, but I'd like to have a xen-enabled linux-image |
| 17:17.14 | yosef | I mount it , I can open the folder, but no content |
| 17:17.53 | bibe | yosef : does 'mount |grep ntfs' return anything? |
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| 17:19.21 | yosef | bibe: output is /dev/sda1 on /mnt/windows type ntfs (rw) |
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| 17:19.58 | jammyflynn20 | cant find package x-windowsystem any help available |
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| 17:20.19 | bibe | yosef : and does 'ls -l /mnt/windows/' return the NTFS partition's content? |
| 17:21.06 | abrotman | x-window-system |
| 17:21.17 | evaded | jammyflynn20: apt-cache search x-window-system |
| 17:21.34 | yosef | bibe: Yes, there is the contenct of the partiotion c in windows |
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| 17:21.49 | evaded | jammyflynn20: To search an package. Here x-window-system |
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| 17:22.09 | bibe | yosef : so your problem's solved? |
| 17:22.38 | yosef | bibe: No, still /mnt/win is not accessable |
| 17:22.45 | yosef | bibe: shoud be root? |
| 17:23.09 | bibe | yosef : so you want to access it from your everyday user |
| 17:23.24 | yosef | bibe: yes |
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| 17:23.37 | jammyflynn20 | cant find package x-windowsystem any help available |
| 17:23.49 | bibe | yosef : run 'id -u' as your everyday user, it should return a number (1000 in my case) |
| 17:23.49 | dererk | mc__, yes, I'm using stable and testing. |
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| 17:23.56 | abrotman | x-window-system |
| 17:23.58 | evaded | jammyflynn20: You forget that - between windows and system |
| 17:24.02 | evaded | jammyflynn20: apt-cache search x-window-system |
| 17:24.07 | evaded | abrotman: ;-0 |
| 17:24.12 | dererk | jimmy_, could you solve your problem? |
| 17:24.23 | mc__ | dererk, im using stable but i think ill change |
| 17:24.30 | yosef | bibe: id -u return 0 number |
| 17:24.33 | mc__ | mc__, mplayer is broken here :( |
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| 17:25.08 | bibe | yosef: run 'id -u' as your user! then add or modify this line in /etc/fstab: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto 0 0" |
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| 17:25.36 | mc__ | brb |
| 17:25.58 | yosef | bibe: I'm sorry , I have bad head, |
| 17:26.09 | yosef | bibe: I made it as user , I had 100 outpur |
| 17:26.17 | dererk | abrotman, don you know what's wrong with this rules of procmail to filter spam? :http://pastebin.com/663373 |
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| 17:26.40 | bibe | yosef : then, substitute 1000 with 100 |
| 17:27.10 | bibe | "/dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs uid=100,gid=100,noauto 0 0" |
| 17:27.21 | dererk | mc__, I prefer stable for production or very reliable machines |
| 17:27.22 | yosef | bibe: in fstab i put 100 |
| 17:27.30 | bibe | yosef : perfect |
| 17:27.32 | dererk | mc__, and testing for desktops. |
| 17:27.45 | BootProb | hi, on boot the screen was filled with garbage chars ... then debian hung starting KDE |
| 17:27.49 | abrotman | dererk: i don't use procmail |
| 17:28.01 | dererk | abrotman, ok, thanks anyway |
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| 17:28.34 | abrotman | dererk: there is a very small #procmail |
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| 17:28.53 | dererk | abrotman, Oh, didn't thought about it. Thanks :D |
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| 17:29.18 | yosef | bibe: I did though nano |
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| 17:30.34 | jammyflynn20 | how do i install yahoo messenger people |
| 17:30.47 | bibe | yosef : now, as root, umount /mnt/windows, then mount /mnt/windows |
| 17:31.10 | bibe | jammyflynn20 : install psi, register an account and enable yahoo transport |
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| 17:31.33 | abrotman | jammyflynn20: try gaim |
| 17:31.41 | jammyflynn20 | gaim? |
| 17:31.47 | npx | any ideas about the error on that page? |
| 17:31.48 | dvs | !gaim |
| 17:31.48 | dpkg | [gaim] an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 17:31.51 | jammyflynn20 | sorry |
| 17:31.53 | jammyflynn20 | i mean java |
| 17:31.58 | abrotman | g-g-g-g-gaim |
| 17:32.22 | kurtak | Hello- I did an apt upgrade and afterwards, my non-truetype fonts became unavailable. It seems now i only can use the msttcorefonts, in any application. i've tried everything to get the other fonts usable; their paths are in my XF86Config-4 file and they're definitely part of xset's fontpath. I also edited /etc/fonts/local.conf to include the directories and did fc-cache -f and i made the font dirs, but nothing gives. Anyone know what els |
| 17:32.22 | kurtak | e to try? I don't need xfs running, or do i? |
| 17:32.52 | yosef | bibe: I think you mean mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows? isn't it? |
| 17:33.00 | abrotman | !tell jammyflynn20 about java |
| 17:33.05 | yosef | bibe: the same, I cannot open windows folder form the use |
| 17:33.06 | yosef | r |
| 17:33.46 | beardy | !folder |
| 17:33.46 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 17:33.53 | npx | I have a table called Sessions in my database with fields(url primary key autoincrement, url TEXT, keywords text, htmlcache text);, I did 'script/generate scaffold Session' and I get an error at http://testing.clickhere.org:3000/sessions/new |
| 17:33.55 | prudhvi | !xgl |
| 17:33.56 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
| 17:34.05 | prudhvi | !compiz |
| 17:34.06 | dpkg | i heard compiz is probably a combined window manager / composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. Currently, it is only working correctly if run on Xgl. |
| 17:34.17 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 17:34.17 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
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| 17:34.39 | bibe | yosef : no, I mean 'umount /mnt/windows', then 'mount /mnt/windows' |
| 17:35.21 | bibe | yosef : 100% of the times, if you re-do the same thing under the same circumnstances, you'll get the same results |
| 17:35.22 | jammyflynn20 | ive installed gnome desktop but nothings changed |
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| 17:35.52 | jammyflynn20 | it downloaded from website |
| 17:35.57 | jammyflynn20 | do i need to activate it |
| 17:36.08 | beardy | Happy Sunday! |
| 17:36.14 | Eulex | !singsunday |
| 17:36.21 | Eulex | !sing sunday |
| 17:36.21 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 17:36.28 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, did you install gdm? |
| 17:36.54 | jammyflynn20 | yes |
| 17:36.58 | BootProb | on boot screen fills with garbage chars ... then debian hangs starting KDE ... bad gfx card or memory or ...? |
| 17:36.59 | yosef | bibe: he say there is bad line in fstab |
| 17:37.14 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, did you start gdm? |
| 17:37.25 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, also, rebooting should start gdm |
| 17:37.29 | evhost | they alguem knows of some good and cheap VPS? |
| 17:37.32 | jammyflynn20 | i did reboot |
| 17:37.32 | evhost | pvt-me |
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| 17:37.37 | beardy | !reboot |
| 17:37.38 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 17:37.40 | evhost | please |
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| 17:37.51 | beardy | jammyflynn20: /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 17:37.55 | abrotman | beardy: sometimes it's easier than explaining the correct way :) |
| 17:37.57 | yosef | the line is /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs uid=100,gid=100,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:38.07 | bibe | yosef; is that line _exactly_ "/dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs uid=100,gid=100,noauto 0 0" (without the "'s) |
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| 17:38.22 | jammyflynn20 | it downloaded from site watched it unpack then i rebooted - have i done somthing wrong |
| 17:38.38 | bibe | yosef : is there another line referring to /mnt/windows? |
| 17:38.38 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, what happens when you run /etc/init.d/gdm start? |
| 17:38.54 | Fennec | How would I go about getting a package installed "locally" (i.e. in $HOME somewhere) using apt-get? |
| 17:39.34 | jammyflynn20 | command not found |
| 17:39.36 | abrotman | you can't |
| 17:39.44 | jammyflynn20 | im logged in as root |
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| 17:39.52 | yosef | bibe: this is the past of the exact lien : /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs uid=100,gid=100,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:40.04 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, then you haven't got gdm installed. |
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| 17:40.11 | abrotman | Fennec: why don't you ask the admin to install it ? |
| 17:40.17 | jammyflynn20 | i watched it install |
| 17:40.20 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, apt-get install gdm? |
| 17:40.20 | beardy | jammyflynn20: Run this_ |
| 17:40.21 | jammyflynn20 | from debian |
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| 17:40.36 | Fennec | abrotman: suppose I can't. |
| 17:40.47 | beardy | jimmy_: ls /etc/init.d/?dm |
| 17:40.50 | abrotman | Fennec: why not |
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| 17:41.13 | yosef | bibe: this is the exact error: [mntent]: line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 17:41.15 | jammyflynn20 | gdm is already the newest version it says |
| 17:41.26 | silsor | does anybody know a quick fix for the current xorg brokenness? it can't find the "fixed" font and there are no responses to the grave bug that somebody else filed |
| 17:41.39 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, run what beardy said |
| 17:41.45 | bibe | yosef : try this (as root): umount /mnt/windows; mount -t ntfs -o uid=100,gid=100 /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows |
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| 17:42.04 | bibe | yosef: what's the content of line 1? |
| 17:42.12 | Fennec | abrotman: Non-technological reasons. |
| 17:42.13 | jammyflynn20 | i did |
| 17:42.21 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, and? |
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| 17:42.24 | Fennec | abrotman: more like "I don't want to" |
| 17:42.37 | jammyflynn20 | gdm is already the newest version it says |
| 17:42.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you try briquolo from sid please? |
| 17:42.55 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, again, run what beardy said. |
| 17:42.55 | abrotman | Fennec: all you can do is unpack it ... what package are we talking about here? |
| 17:43.13 | beardy | jammyflynn20: No, it doesn't say that. Tell us what 'ls /etc/init.d/?dm' says. |
| 17:43.13 | tarzeau | i can't reproduce #362897, anyone can? |
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| 17:43.22 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, ls /etc/init.d/?dm |
| 17:43.33 | yosef | line one is : \# /etc/fstab: static file system information. |
| 17:43.42 | yosef | bibe: i think / is mistake |
| 17:43.44 | Fennec | abrotman: oh, was thinking about irssi, actually. |
| 17:43.50 | yosef | \ |
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| 17:43.56 | jammyflynn20 | just capies whats typed |
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| 17:44.15 | jammyflynn20 | apart from dgm xdgm at end |
| 17:44.18 | bibe | yosef : yes |
| 17:44.19 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, eh? what does it say? |
| 17:44.26 | evaded | yosef: I guess you're an french one ;-) paste you're config at pastebin or so, you help you're friend with it ;-) |
| 17:44.29 | bibe | yosef : remove the leading \ |
| 17:44.30 | abrotman | Fennec: there are tons of libraries and stuff .. might be easier to just get the source and compile it |
| 17:44.35 | evaded | !tell yosef about paste |
| 17:44.37 | go1dfish | I'm a bit new to debian, how do I switch to a different (smp) kernel |
| 17:44.45 | spoon | anyone know if ya can put /dev/sb*1 in fstab to mount a usb mem stick that is a different /dev/ each time ya boot or plug the memstick back in. |
| 17:44.46 | go1dfish | is it as simple as just installing kernel-image for it? |
| 17:44.59 | Fennec | abrotman: eh, hmmph. It doesn't like compiling... ah well, thanks anyway |
| 17:45.03 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, dgm? xdgm? what does it say exactly? |
| 17:45.06 | go1dfish | I'm doing this on a remote box so I want to be sure before I do this |
| 17:45.16 | abrotman | Fennec: `ar x` will unpack it . doubt it will work |
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| 17:45.18 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, gdm and xdm? |
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| 17:45.34 | jammyflynn20 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.35 | yosef | evaded: Thank you |
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| 17:46.01 | evaded | yosef: Thanks you're friend bibe ;-) |
| 17:46.16 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, ok, I think you meant xdm instead of xdgm. try /etc/init.d/gdm restart, and spell it correctly. |
| 17:46.24 | yosef | bibe: I remove, The command complete fine, But still I cannot access the /mnt/windows, it show not content |
| 17:46.30 | yosef | evaded: why do you say that |
| 17:46.34 | beardy | go1dfish: Yes, it's as simple as that, if you select the correct kernel the first time. And make sure your bootloader gets reconfigured/updated, which it will if you install using aptitude or apt-get. |
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| 17:46.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: seems fine |
| 17:46.38 | wwallace | hello |
| 17:46.42 | evaded | yosef: About pastebin? |
| 17:46.45 | wwallace | how do i install mplayer? |
| 17:46.50 | wwallace | im getting an error |
| 17:46.51 | dvs | !mplayer |
| 17:46.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 17:46.52 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 17:46.52 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 17:46.53 | bibe | yosef : what's the output of 'mount |grep windows'? |
| 17:46.58 | beardy | !tell wwallace -about mplayer |
| 17:47.05 | beardy | !tell wwallace -about marillat |
| 17:47.12 | wwallace | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:47.13 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.13 | wwallace | E: Broken packages |
| 17:47.13 | wwallace | root@mp3j:/home/wwallace# |
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| 17:47.16 | evaded | yosef: Paste that in pastebin good example ^^^ |
| 17:47.19 | go1dfish | beardy: unfortunately I think I selected the wrong kernel first time |
| 17:47.20 | jammyflynn20 | loads desktop up exactly same as it did do before |
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| 17:47.31 | wwallace | just 3 lines my god |
| 17:47.33 | jammyflynn20 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.36 | jammyflynn20 | same |
| 17:47.39 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, yes? and what would you expect? |
| 17:47.41 | dvs | wwallace: I count four |
| 17:47.41 | abrotman | four you tard |
| 17:47.43 | beardy | go1dfish: If it still boots, just select another one. :) |
| 17:47.46 | go1dfish | beardy: and I would like to switch to a smp kernel |
| 17:47.49 | wwallace | ok 4 |
| 17:47.51 | jammyflynn20 | change of desktop |
| 17:47.52 | wwallace | so? |
| 17:47.53 | jammyflynn20 | like i said |
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| 17:48.01 | dvs | wwallace: that enough to trigger the alarm |
| 17:48.02 | yosef | bibe: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/windows type ntfs (rw,uid=100,gid=100) |
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| 17:48.03 | go1dfish | ok |
| 17:48.04 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, select the righth session in gdm then. |
| 17:48.08 | wwallace | hi abrotman how the hell are you ? |
| 17:48.10 | beardy | go1dfish: The package name has -smp at the end, most likely. |
| 17:48.11 | jammyflynn20 | how do i do that |
| 17:48.13 | wwallace | i almost fforget about you |
| 17:48.15 | go1dfish | yeah I saw those |
| 17:48.23 | bibe | yosef : and 'ls -l /mnt/windows'? |
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| 17:48.34 | go1dfish | but I didnt want to select it before I knew what it would do |
| 17:48.35 | bibe | yosef : without any trailing / |
| 17:48.41 | wwallace | so ? |
| 17:48.42 | go1dfish | this box is 100 miles away :-/ |
| 17:48.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: with or without accelerated non-free x drivers? |
| 17:48.47 | yosef | evaded: I think bibe is repentant because he start with me and he feel shy to leave, because of my bad trouble |
| 17:48.49 | wwallace | how do i install mplayer ? |
| 17:48.50 | Eulex | jammyflynn20, you log out and select gnome as session in gdm. |
| 17:49.00 | beardy | !tell wwallace -about repeat |
| 17:49.05 | abrotman | !tell wwallace about mplayer |
| 17:49.15 | yosef | bibe: I can see the content |
| 17:49.19 | wwallace | abrotman: it does not work |
| 17:49.19 | tarzeau | wwallace: froms ource |
| 17:49.23 | Eulex | wwallace, we can't do anything about marillat's packages being broken. |
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| 17:49.26 | tarzeau | !doesn't work |
| 17:49.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:49.28 | nolife_ | hi all |
| 17:49.29 | yosef | bibe: it's the windows c drive content |
| 17:49.32 | abrotman | wwallace: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:49.38 | Daveman | hey abrotman :) |
| 17:49.47 | evaded | yosef: And you're bad english :-/ I know it's not easy, but for you boths! Not forget that give suport is really not easy, really |
| 17:49.51 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 17:49.51 | bibe | yosef : try ls -l /mnt/, and see if windows belongs to your user or not |
| 17:49.59 | nolife_ | nobody know if it's possible to burn alcohol iso ( mdf & mds format ) on linux ? |
| 17:50.03 | Daveman | abrotman, enjoying the nice weather, as of late? :) |
| 17:50.08 | beardy | !tell go1dfish -about smp |
| 17:50.11 | wwallace | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 17:50.17 | abrotman | Daveman: it's been warmer .. but not warm enough |
| 17:50.44 | beardy | yosef: What are you trying to do/having problems with? |
| 17:50.50 | Daveman | abrotman, noob :\ |
| 17:51.08 | Daveman | abrotman, it was 81 or 82 here today as a high x_x |
| 17:51.08 | Daveman | I practically melted :P |
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| 17:51.17 | yosef | bibe: the four line is root, one only users: dr-x------ 1 identd users 8192 2006-04-17 03:47 windows |
| 17:51.19 | abrotman | wwallace: why won't mplayer-skin install ? |
| 17:51.20 | Daveman | Mmm... I can't wait until summer... |
| 17:51.23 | abrotman | Daveman: no way .. it was not |
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| 17:51.25 | evaded | yosef: you're on the right way, so just need the job to be done. You understand it later how it work. When it's done ;-) |
| 17:51.32 | Daveman | abrotman, rtfwtwc! |
| 17:51.35 | Daveman | >:o |
| 17:51.40 | yosef | beardy: I'm not able to see my ntfs partition |
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| 17:51.56 | Daveman | abrotman, want me to pull up the weather info from yesterday? |
| 17:52.03 | abrotman | Daveman: oh .. yesterday . i thought you meant today |
| 17:52.05 | wwallace | abrotman: mplayer-skin-blue: Depends: mplayer (>= 1:1.0-pre7cvs20060416-0.0) |
| 17:52.05 | wwallace | E: Broken package |
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| 17:52.14 | Daveman | abrotman, no silly :P |
| 17:52.15 | abrotman | Daveman: i was at bday parties yesterday :) |
| 17:52.15 | yosef | evedad: You say I'm bad in english, it's because of my fast writing |
| 17:52.18 | Daveman | today it is significantly cooler :) |
| 17:52.20 | Daveman | ah :) |
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| 17:52.30 | abrotman | wwallace: so install a newer mplayer from marillat |
| 17:52.31 | Daveman | yeah, but the summer will be brutal, if this is a portent |
| 17:52.33 | beardy | yosef: Is it mounted now? |
| 17:52.45 | wwallace | how? |
| 17:52.48 | yosef | eveded: I'm not that much bad in english, Cause English is my alternative language, not native! |
| 17:52.59 | yosef | beardy: No |
| 17:53.04 | evaded | yosef: bibe heave give you really good tips and help. Not easy to find where it goes wrong. It's why i had sugest to paste you're config on pastebin. So that bibe can easy look while he drink an beer or a cup of coffee, lol |
| 17:53.13 | bibe | yosef : you definitely are not user 100 |
| 17:53.18 | kurtak | Is xfs not needed to use non-truetype fonts in sarge? |
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| 17:53.29 | yosef | beardy: when I mount , I cannot open the /mnt/windows folder, it show this folder has no content |
| 17:53.36 | evaded | yosef: You're french? Right? |
| 17:53.48 | beardy | yosef: WHat kernel do you have, compiled it yourself? |
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| 17:54.11 | Eulex | yosef, as what user? |
| 17:54.12 | evaded | yosef: It's looks not :-/ |
| 17:54.18 | bibe | yosef : now open a _new_ terminal _as your everyday user_, type 'id -u' and tell me what's the output |
| 17:54.28 | da5id_ | how can i find out which debian package to install for a certain perl module (glib::timeout) |
| 17:54.42 | beardy | da5id_: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:54.49 | yosef | evaded: I wish him drinking coffee or tea wile helping me |
| 17:54.56 | jammyflynn20 | you guys have been so mutch help to me |
| 17:55.02 | yosef | bibe: what does user 100 mean? |
| 17:55.06 | jammyflynn20 | ive finally setup and fixed |
| 17:55.08 | silsor | okay, the Debian wiki is telling me to remove everything in /usr/X11R6/bin, but /usr/X11R6/bin is symlinked to /usr/bin! |
| 17:55.20 | yosef | beardy: kernel 2.4 |
| 17:55.20 | silsor | am I really supposed to nuke every binary in /usr/bin after upgrading to xorg 7.0? |
| 17:55.31 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.32 | evaded | yosef: i guess 1000. not? |
| 17:55.34 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 17:55.43 | evaded | bibe: ^^ |
| 17:55.47 | rcameron` | Red_Cloud: cp means copy |
| 17:55.50 | yosef | bibe: output is 1000 |
| 17:55.52 | beardy | yosef: Did you install that kernel with apt-get, is it a stock kernel, a precompiled Debian kernel? |
| 17:55.54 | silsor | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 17:55.59 | Red_Cloud | rcameron, thanks |
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| 17:56.05 | silsor | "After upgrading your packages, $ ls /usr/X11R6/bin should return nothing. If you have stuff in there, remove it" |
| 17:56.09 | bibe | yosef : then put 1000 in /etc/fstab!!! |
| 17:56.10 | silsor | should that be deleted from the wiki? |
| 17:56.12 | Eulex | silsor, no |
| 17:56.20 | abrotman | silsor: it does NOT say /usr/bin/ |
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| 17:56.35 | Eulex | silsor, just remove the symlink |
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| 17:56.44 | silsor | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Apr 16 13:40 /usr/X11R6/bin -> /usr/bin |
| 17:56.52 | silsor | that's not what the wiki says, though, it says to remove every file in that directory |
| 17:56.58 | dvs | silsor: so, remove the simlink |
| 17:57.00 | da5id_ | beardy: I don't understand. How to do dpkg search. |
| 17:57.09 | tech | hi there people, I m looking for a gui mysql admin, does anybody kno w a good one?? |
| 17:57.11 | silsor | I'm concerned that someone is going to hose their system |
| 17:57.13 | yosef | beardy: Yes, I install the kernel 2.6 before, on perosn help me here to do, but when I reboot , I start 2.6 , it stuck on first |
| 17:57.21 | Eulex | silsor, removing every file in that directory will b0rk your system completely |
| 17:57.28 | yosef | beardy it say kill, or something like this |
| 17:57.37 | beardy | !ntfsro |
| 17:57.38 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 17:57.40 | dvs | silsor: removing the symlink itself is harmless |
| 17:57.41 | silsor | could somebody edit that wiki page? |
| 17:57.43 | evaded | yosef: bibe had ask you an while ago to do 'id -u' and to keep that output (1000) there... Probably the error are there :-/ |
| 17:57.50 | beardy | silsor: Yes, you. |
| 17:58.14 | tech | GUI mysql administrator ?? anyone? |
| 17:58.21 | silsor | yeah, I know, I should create a wiki account to fix somebody else's fuckup, but I'd really rather not |
| 17:58.22 | tarzeau | no |
| 17:58.24 | beardy | !anyone |
| 17:58.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:58.34 | tarzeau | silsor: what? |
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| 17:58.36 | Eulex | beardy, no, it's set to be immutable |
| 17:58.38 | tarzeau | silsor: the one in the topic? |
| 17:58.51 | silsor | tarzeau: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 tells people to erase every file in /usr/bin |
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| 17:58.51 | tarzeau | silsor: create an account, tell me the accountname. what's broken? |
| 17:58.59 | tarzeau | silsor: hahaha |
| 17:58.59 | yosef | bibe! |
| 17:59.11 | Eulex | beardy, ah, you'd need to create an account. sorry. |
| 17:59.13 | yosef | bibe: It's working ! |
| 17:59.13 | tech | dpkg: was that for me? |
| 17:59.22 | bibe | yosef : sure it's working |
| 17:59.25 | yosef | bibe: it's accessable now |
| 17:59.25 | beardy | Eulex: hmm? :) |
| 17:59.40 | yosef | bibe: what does 1000 and 100 mean? |
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| 17:59.59 | evaded | !beer or coffee or the to yosef bibe ;-) |
| 18:00.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: what did you ask me? |
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| 18:00.09 | nolife_ | what's the command for know the weight in Mega (Mo) or giga (Go) of folder .. |
| 18:00.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: about the briquolo... someone filed a bug |
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| 18:00.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: with accelerated 3d |
| 18:00.27 | evaded | a bit strang ^^ |
| 18:00.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think it's PEBKAC, will downgrade it and make it unreproducible |
| 18:00.33 | evaded | oeps. |
| 18:00.37 | yosef | bibe: Thank you very much |
| 18:00.39 | bibe | evaded : I really need that beer |
| 18:00.49 | silsor | stew: are you here? you originally wrote the text, it seems |
| 18:00.54 | yosef | bibe: I waht to appologize for troubles |
| 18:00.54 | zebalin4 | I am testing a external modem. It is turned on and connected to serial port but neither Kppp 'terminal' nor will chat -v '' AT OK <> /dev/ttyS0 open it. Does lan0 block modem access (serial port?) |
| 18:01.02 | beardy | nolife_: You probably want du(1). |
| 18:01.07 | yosef | evaded: what does dpkg mean |
| 18:01.13 | evaded | bibe: Yes, that been an really good job you have done man ;-) good good good :-) Now he be are happy ;-) |
| 18:01.23 | evaded | yosef: dpkg are an robot |
| 18:01.24 | nolife_ | beardy, what ? |
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| 18:01.32 | bibe | yosef : next time, 1) read carefully the output of the commands (you told me 100 instead of 1000), and 2) use an editor you are comfortable with |
| 18:01.40 | yosef | evaded: isn't script? |
| 18:01.42 | beardy | nolife_: man du |
| 18:01.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: i wonder if he's using the nvidia driver |
| 18:01.51 | bibe | yosef : have a nice dat |
| 18:01.55 | bibe | day* |
| 18:01.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: or ati or non-accelerated |
| 18:02.00 | evaded | yosef: Better an program, look to ^^ |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh . i see |
| 18:02.04 | beardy | nolife_: Or rephrase your question. |
| 18:02.07 | zebalin4 | anyone? |
| 18:02.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: or maybe the ap errmsg sucks like so many. and it's another app using the sound device |
| 18:02.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: sdl can't find the libsdl-mixer1.2 |
| 18:02.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: whatever it is, it's the users fault |
| 18:02.38 | yosef | bibe: Thank you, 1) 100 it was for the command in root |
| 18:02.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: tis possible |
| 18:02.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: dpkg -l in the bugreport shows it's installed |
| 18:02.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's also a dependency |
| 18:03.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're not even a maintainer yet, right? |
| 18:03.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you mind if i put you as uploader in some packages? |
| 18:03.24 | yosef | evaded: dpkg is not persont ? isn't it? |
| 18:03.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't think you're allowed to .. i have no key |
| 18:03.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean you want to become DD , right? |
| 18:03.31 | beardy | !what are you |
| 18:03.31 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 18:03.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you get a key please? or i make you one? |
| 18:03.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: apparently i'm not good enough |
| 18:04.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: sweety, don't think that |
| 18:04.06 | bibe | yosef : it wasn't the output of 'id -u' as root. It should have been 0 |
| 18:04.10 | evaded | yosef: No he is not human. It's an programm an good robot. Look to blootbot |
| 18:04.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: read planet :) |
| 18:04.16 | dvs | abrotman: there's a test to become DD? |
| 18:04.24 | evaded | !tell yosef about blootbot |
| 18:04.28 | tarzeau | dvs: yes, www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 18:04.35 | abrotman | dvs: of sorts |
| 18:04.46 | tech | what's that blootbot thing? |
| 18:04.57 | beardy | tech: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 18:04.59 | bibe | tarzeau : M) |
| 18:05.04 | bibe | tarzeau : ;) |
| 18:05.07 | dvs | tarzeau: That's too hard! No fair! ;-) |
| 18:05.10 | beardy | abrotman: Have you tried to become a DD? |
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| 18:05.27 | silsor | okay I had to create an account to fix it, hope you like it |
| 18:05.28 | abrotman | beardy: nope .. after hearing tarzeau's horror story .. i didn't bother |
| 18:05.29 | silsor | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7?action=diff |
| 18:05.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: i never scared you with horror stories. |
| 18:05.51 | evaded | tech: dpkg are an blootbot robot |
| 18:05.57 | Eulex | silsor, haha |
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| 18:06.03 | Shib12 | How do i start x in terminal? *newbee* :P |
| 18:06.09 | tarzeau | Shib12: startx |
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| 18:06.11 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 18:06.11 | zebalin4 | What is blocking ttyS0/1: chat -v '' AT OK <> /dev/ttyS0 |
| 18:06.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, noob is Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 18:06.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you still in the NM queue? |
| 18:06.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 18:06.22 | evaded | tech: whith the command '!tell yosef about blootbot' i have ask the bot to talk to yosef in private about blootbot |
| 18:06.23 | abrotman | yeah ... |
| 18:06.27 | evaded | oeps |
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| 18:06.40 | beardy | Shib12: Have you installed it? |
| 18:06.41 | evaded | Guys, it's errno day |
| 18:06.49 | dvs | huh? |
| 18:06.56 | Shib12 | beardy: I dont know, installed debian netinstaller recently |
| 18:06.58 | tech | evaded: what does blootbot mean? |
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| 18:07.07 | Eulex | !blootbot |
| 18:07.08 | dpkg | methinks blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 18:07.10 | beardy | !tell Shib12 -about install x |
| 18:07.12 | tech | !tell tech about blootbot |
| 18:07.17 | beardy | !tell Shib12 -about configure x |
| 18:07.18 | evaded | tech: It's an program |
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| 18:07.44 | evaded | tech: this bot here 'dpkg' are from blootbot, or better it's blootbot code's |
| 18:07.46 | beardy | Shib12: never mind what he said about "configure x".. |
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| 18:07.51 | beardy | !drxx Shib12 |
| 18:07.52 | dpkg | Shib12: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:07.59 | evaded | tech: I'm not good in english |
| 18:08.11 | tech | evaded: thanx |
| 18:08.19 | Eulex | evaded, s/in/at/ |
| 18:08.21 | yosef | evaded: Thank you |
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| 18:08.27 | tech | evaded: what is your first language |
| 18:08.29 | zebalin4 | No modem techs here? OK. Thanks anyway. |
| 18:08.44 | beardy | !tell zebalin4 about ask |
| 18:08.53 | evaded | tech: Dutch, French and a dialect of Brussels |
| 18:09.14 | dvs | beardy: zebalin4 already said that he can't comunicate with his modem via ttyS0 |
| 18:09.24 | evaded | tech: My 3 (local) languages |
| 18:09.49 | zebalin4 | dvs: (thanks) |
| 18:09.52 | Aim_Here | Shib12, startx |
| 18:10.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried dodgindiamond2 yet? |
| 18:10.10 | evaded | tarzeau: Games? |
| 18:10.11 | dvs | zebalin4: Is the serial module loaded? |
| 18:10.11 | beardy | zebalin4: I missed it, I apologize. |
| 18:10.17 | tarzeau | evaded: hehe, yes |
| 18:10.21 | Aim_Here | Though if it's your first time, I wouldn't get your hopes up |
| 18:10.33 | tarzeau | evaded: what else could it be? |
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| 18:10.35 | evaded | tarzeau: I have not enought time for that :-( |
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| 18:10.46 | tarzeau | evaded: but for irc? |
| 18:10.47 | zebalin4 | dvs: hmmm. don't know about module. what do I run to find out? lsmod? |
| 18:10.49 | tarzeau | hilarious |
| 18:10.52 | tech | evaded: alors t'es belge... |
| 18:10.54 | dvs | zebalin4: yup |
| 18:10.59 | evaded | tarzeau: That's learning curve!!! |
| 18:11.14 | marnanel | I'm running sid. I'm trying to install X. xserver-common won't install because it depends on x11-common (>=6.8.1) but apt-cache show shows that the version of x11-common installed is 1:7.0.12. What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:11.17 | evaded | tech: Oui je suis Belge :-) Ik ben een Belg |
| 18:11.20 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 18:11.20 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:11.22 | zebalin4 | I've got a 2.6.something kernel. I'm sure it is there. I'll look. Any idea what it might be called? |
| 18:11.28 | marnanel | thanks |
| 18:11.30 | tarzeau | marnanel: what mirror, did you apt-get update? |
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| 18:11.39 | kartik | !beer |
| 18:11.39 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 18:11.45 | dvs | zebalin4: serial |
| 18:11.53 | tech | evaded: non, j connais pas l autre lange, pas belge moi... |
| 18:11.55 | zebalin4 | serial_core 17536 1 8250 |
| 18:12.02 | tech | evaded: :-) |
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| 18:12.09 | marnanel | tarzeau: http.us.debian.org and yes |
| 18:12.24 | tarzeau | marnanel: it worked fine for me |
| 18:12.29 | tarzeau | marnanel: what command did you use? |
| 18:12.34 | tech | evaded: ce que je te demandai avant c'est ca veut dire quoi blootbot? |
| 18:12.37 | evaded | tech: I can not talk or read German. Like it's also an official language here in Belgium |
| 18:12.39 | zebalin4 | dvs: serio_raw 5508 0 |
| 18:12.42 | abrotman | !fr |
| 18:12.42 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:12.49 | zebalin4 | Don't have just a 'serial' |
| 18:13.10 | marnanel | tarzeau: apt-get install xserver-common |
| 18:13.17 | tarzeau | marnanel: haha |
| 18:13.21 | tarzeau | marnanel: you don't need that anymore |
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| 18:13.27 | tarzeau | marnanel: you're really funny |
| 18:13.29 | marnanel | what do I need now? |
| 18:13.32 | evaded | tech: It would nothings mean, it's an name like 'evaded' that i have give me. But there i guess there are a bit more historical reason i guess bloot+bot |
| 18:13.48 | tarzeau | marnanel: apt-get upgrade |
| 18:13.52 | dvs | zebalin4: modprobe serial, as root |
| 18:14.07 | evaded | tech: It's does not matter what it mean 'blootbot', it's an program like this bot 'dpkg'. No more no less |
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| 18:14.48 | gloin | hey, does anyone have any word on apache2.2 status? |
| 18:14.52 | gottadone | hi |
| 18:14.55 | gloin | last I saw was here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=344072 |
| 18:15.02 | abrotman | gloin: ask the maintainers |
| 18:15.11 | marnanel | okay, thanks for humouring me, people :) |
| 18:15.13 | gloin | last word from debian was 23Feb |
| 18:15.16 | gloin | that was a while ago... |
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| 18:15.35 | tech | OK |
| 18:15.46 | zebalin4 | dvs: ok. hold a sec. |
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| 18:16.23 | jammyflynn20 | whats that win manager site called |
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| 18:16.40 | abrotman | http://xwinman.org/ |
| 18:16.49 | beardy | jammyflynn20: Search the web. |
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| 18:17.26 | evaded | Okay guy, i was comming here to try to solve my problem. Gona i begin with it :-) |
| 18:17.32 | gloin | abrotman: what's the -dev chan for debian? |
| 18:17.44 | abrotman | WHAT?1 |
| 18:17.54 | abrotman | gloin: don't ask them there .. email them |
| 18:17.59 | abrotman | !maint apache2-common |
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| 18:18.02 | dpkg | apache2-common: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
| 18:18.08 | ceplma | does anybody when xserver-xorg is going to be fixed? |
| 18:18.11 | gloin | abrotman: thanks ever so much |
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| 18:18.19 | HFOX-492 | I'm trying to compile a program on debian 3.1 but it can't compile.. http://pastebin.com/663466 does anybody know what this error means? |
| 18:18.39 | yosef | by |
| 18:18.52 | tarzeau | HFOX-492: where is the source? what program? |
| 18:18.54 | dvs | HFOX-492: there is something wrong on line 39 of your source file |
| 18:19.13 | HFOX-492 | no it compiles fine on my slackware box |
| 18:19.27 | HFOX-492 | http://antinat.sourceforge.net/download.shtml |
| 18:19.29 | dvs | HFOX-492: different version of gcc I get |
| 18:19.31 | dvs | bet |
| 18:19.34 | HFOX-492 | yes |
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| 18:19.51 | HFOX-492 | gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 18:20.02 | dvs | !info gcc sarge |
| 18:20.06 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
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| 18:20.26 | evaded | I have been used 'tvtime' for an little time. Last night with guys of here, have help me to get my 2 monitors working. It's been done like i wanted. Sure people here have help me. Just now i got some troubles to get 'tvtime' running. It's start an bye and leave an mesage http://pastebin.com/663471 |
| 18:20.37 | ceplma | HFOX-492: config.c is usually produced the configuration -- so it may be something buggy in the configuration script |
| 18:20.58 | zebalin4 | dvs: I did modprobe of 'serial": FATAL: Module serial not found. |
| 18:21.15 | zebalin4 | dvs: but 8250 is active so that must mean something. |
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| 18:21.26 | ceplma | HFOX-492: s/produced/& by/ |
| 18:21.31 | dvs | zebalin4: 8250s are so old. |
| 18:21.44 | dvs | zebalin4: 16450 are the norm now |
| 18:22.23 | zebalin4 | dvs: this computer is only about 3 yrs old. |
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| 18:24.04 | evaded | But there i'm a bit out there. I have try 'tvtime --inputwidth 400' but same case. On the website of that product, no many comments are give about my problem, just say it that i use an old grafic card. It's an ATI 9600 eith 128MB. So i guess it's not that. But what then? DVD playing are without any trouble |
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| 18:24.42 | evaded | I guess i need to do -> 4. Increasing the amount of video memory in your X config file |
| 18:24.43 | dvs | zebalin4: try "modprobe generic_serial" |
| 18:24.48 | evaded | How to do that? |
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| 18:25.47 | HFOX-492 | ceplma, what do you mean? |
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| 18:27.47 | ceplma | HFOX-492: I know nothing about your program, but file which is called config.c is quite often something which is produced by the configuration script and it is not delivered in the original tarball of the program. Just warning for you, that you shouldn't waste your time on fixing this file, but rather check out what's going on with the configuration script (like ./configure). That would be also explanation, why it did work on Slack, but it doesn't on Debian. |
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| 18:28.10 | zebalin4 | dvs: I think that worked. I did a chat command and modem light went on. Let me try the termial in kppp. hold on. |
| 18:28.12 | ceplma | HFOX-492: are you with me? |
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| 18:28.26 | jammyflynn20 | if i type aptitude at root would sound and graphics drivers sho |
| 18:28.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: is there a way to see who is part of a certain maintainer group ? |
| 18:28.37 | dvs | zebalin4: ok. |
| 18:29.10 | jammyflynn20 | if i type aptitude at root would sound and graphics drivers show |
| 18:29.23 | abrotman | modconf |
| 18:29.27 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 18:29.27 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 18:29.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 18:29.46 | jammyflynn20 | if i type aptitude at root would sound and graphics drivers show |
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| 18:30.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: which group? |
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| 18:30.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: the apache group |
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| 18:30.37 | lekvar | Why does MPlayer on Marillat have a circular dependecy? mplayer wants mplayer-skin wants mplayer-skin-blue wants... mplayer. |
| 18:30.42 | jammyflynn20 | if i type aptitude at root would sound and graphics drivers show |
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| 18:30.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: check http://qa.debian.org/data/ddpo/results/ddpo_maintainers |
| 18:30.56 | HFOX-492 | ceplma, well I also used CFLAGS="-L/srv/local/lib" and LDCFLAGS="-I/srv/local/include"... but would that matter? |
| 18:31.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: for co-maintainers (they are signed with #) |
| 18:31.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: haven't seen an explaination about why apache2.2 is nowhere to found |
| 18:31.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: otherwise send a mail to the group maintainer and ask for members |
| 18:31.17 | HFOX-492 | LDFLAGS* |
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| 18:31.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: because it sucks? |
| 18:31.33 | ceplma | HFOX-492: no idea, but did you use some configuration script (e.g., ./configure)? |
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| 18:31.38 | jammyflynn20 | if i type aptitude at root would sound and graphics drivers show |
| 18:31.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: so does KDE .. but we get new veresions of that :) |
| 18:31.43 | HFOX-492 | ceplma, yes I did |
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| 18:31.44 | Sonny | hi, I want to install jre-1.5.0.06, I have downloaded the .bin from sun web page... now how can I make the .deb file? |
| 18:31.59 | dvs | Sonny: apt-get install java-package |
| 18:32.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha debian and new software versions. don't make me laugh |
| 18:32.00 | stew | Sonny: read /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian |
| 18:32.08 | nostalg1c | buh, i broke some crap on my debian box it seems -- can't login anymore (asks for username, then always "permission denied" (in case of valid user) or "invalid login" (in case of wrong username).. booting from a livecd, when issuing "passwd <user>" i get an message about "pam_start() error 26" -- anyone know whats up? |
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| 18:32.27 | Sonny | I want to make the .deb file using tha binary from sun page..... I did ones I on t remember how |
| 18:32.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: debian backports has 10 day delay. debian new queue has 2 months delay. testing has 10 to 100 days delay |
| 18:32.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: apache2.2 has been out quite some time |
| 18:32.56 | Eulex | Sonny, /msg dpkg install java |
| 18:33.15 | ceplma | HFOX-492: OK, go to upstream maintainers and ask them (or try to find out on your own), what part of ./configure generated that particular line in config.c and that it is buggy. Try to understand what the configure script meant and then you could fix config.c (or ./configure). |
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| 18:33.55 | HFOX-492 | k |
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| 18:35.22 | Sonny | Eulex, some days before I did using irrc make-jpkg ? |
| 18:35.22 | zebalin4 | dvs: well the chat at /dev/ttyS0 turns on a light and gives me "AT" at command line... but that is all. I tried the 'termianl' in Kppp and it says "unable to open modem" Makes no sense. |
| 18:35.36 | ceplma | sorry, asking once more -- does anybody know when xserver-xorg will be fixed? |
| 18:36.05 | dvs | zebalin4: What user did your run kppp as? |
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| 18:36.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: hrm .. no version of danger of the deep |
| 18:36.38 | zebalin4 | dvs: must me (not root) |
| 18:36.41 | Eulex | Sonny, which creates a .deb file. |
| 18:36.41 | Miesco | How do I bind a key to a command in bash? |
| 18:36.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've broken my nvidia drivers |
| 18:36.42 | HFOX-492 | line 39 contains XML_Parser p; .... I guess it has to do with expat not being found correctly somehow |
| 18:36.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll check it when i get it to work again |
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| 18:36.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm in windows once again |
| 18:36.53 | Miesco | I've been trying to do it for like 20 minutes |
| 18:37.01 | dvs | zebalin4: you must add yourself to the group that /dev/ttyS0 is in. |
| 18:37.05 | dance_ | ceplma: this stuff usually works on an it's ready when it's ready basis. Meanwhile see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 18:37.07 | Suprano | hi |
| 18:37.07 | Dwonis | Miesco: I don't know about bash, but I use keylaunch to bind keys in X |
| 18:37.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know, windows is nice. my cam works, my infrared-usb thingy works |
| 18:37.21 | zebalin4 | dvs: ok, I'll try it. |
| 18:37.31 | ceplma | HFOX-492: is there some parameter to ./configure to set XML parser properly (./configure --help)? |
| 18:37.43 | Suprano | i am trying to install tun/tap using this howto: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/marcelo/linux-2.4/Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt . now i am at point 3.1 , what to do with this source code ? |
| 18:37.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: you should write drivers! |
| 18:37.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: for linux? hahaha |
| 18:37.51 | Sonny | Eulex, if I have the .bin from sun page... I can do make-jpkg jre.x.x.x.bin, and it creates the .deb file? |
| 18:37.53 | dvs | zebalin4: don't forget to log out and log back in again after you add yourself to the group |
| 18:38.04 | evaded | Miesco: Whant you 'alias'? |
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| 18:38.16 | HFOX-492 | Optional Packages: |
| 18:38.17 | HFOX-492 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.17 | HFOX-492 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.19 | Miesco | evaded: Not quite |
| 18:38.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: i should meet my secretary maybe |
| 18:38.22 | zebalin4 | dvst: I don't have to reboot.... just ctl-atl-backspace, right? |
| 18:38.32 | Miesco | evaded: I want to hit '1' and make it do: ls |
| 18:38.33 | ceplma | dance_: it is working for me now, but xserver-xorg is still not configured on my computer (bug# 362891). |
| 18:38.45 | Eulex | Sonny, I think so. |
| 18:38.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm going to try lincity-ng |
| 18:38.54 | evaded | Miesco: Can be do with an alias |
| 18:38.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok, tell me if it's good |
| 18:38.58 | ceplma | HFOX-492: below this line -- is there anything specific about xml? |
| 18:39.01 | evaded | s/do/done |
| 18:39.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've wanted to try toycars |
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| 18:39.09 | dvs | zebalin4: you dont have to reboot but you must get back to the login prompt |
| 18:39.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: but you know... x broke , i needed some dev packages but they pulled the broken x |
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| 18:39.27 | zebalin4 | dvs: ok, I can do that. brb |
| 18:39.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: you should use windows |
| 18:39.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: and vesa is just too slow. nv doesn't work |
| 18:39.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: guess what? i do... |
| 18:39.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: if only microsoft had a native x server |
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| 18:39.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: bah .. lincity-ng is already in debian :) |
| 18:40.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: pff |
| 18:40.14 | evaded | Miesco: Sample alias cp='cp -i' when i press cp ... |
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| 18:40.26 | tarzeau | evaded: that's a very broken and bad alias |
| 18:40.34 | HFOX-492 | ceplma, nope there isn't... I had to manually set using LDFLAGS & CFLAGS for ./configure to reconize expat.. since it's installed in /srv/local |
| 18:40.37 | kmag | krb5_newrealm seems to be misbehaving... it doesn't create the keytab or the stash |
| 18:40.42 | tarzeau | evaded: read the unix haters manual, why |
| 18:40.50 | Miesco | evaded: I want to bind, not alias, cant figure it out though |
| 18:40.57 | Miesco | evaded: The command is 'bind' I think |
| 18:41.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: it really sucks bts can't close bugs anymore... |
| 18:41.09 | evaded | tarzeau: yup not realy an good example, i wanted an quick one :-/ It was to quick i think |
| 18:41.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate to use outlook for this |
| 18:41.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: run mutt in cygwin ? |
| 18:41.34 | evaded | Miesco: Yes i see it now. I'm bit to aliased ;-) lol |
| 18:41.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate mutt |
| 18:41.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i even hate cygwin more |
| 18:41.46 | shogunx | tarzeua build x from xorg sources? |
| 18:41.47 | abrotman | use elmo! |
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| 18:42.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: i use nail... |
| 18:42.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll fix up some of my bugs |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | good plan |
| 18:42.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: tell me if you find any other new game or other software not yet in debian |
| 18:42.23 | ceplma | HFOX-492: and why in the world you expat there? could you find out where this program expects expat to be (symlink covers multitude of sins -- to be in harmony with today being Easter ;-)) |
| 18:42.28 | evaded | Miesco: bind is for network i think |
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| 18:42.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: happypenguin! |
| 18:42.33 | lekvar | tarzeau: if you don't like mut does it mean you do NOT agree with the manpage that "dog is better than cat" :P |
| 18:42.37 | Dwonis | !start a mua war |
| 18:42.37 | dpkg | elm owns |
| 18:42.49 | Miesco | evaded: lol not that bind |
| 18:42.52 | tarzeau | lekvar: exactly |
| 18:42.59 | evaded | Miesco: Yes lol ;-) |
| 18:43.08 | evaded | Miesco: bind is bind he ;-) |
| 18:43.23 | tarzeau | lekvar: Dog thinks, "He feeds me, he gives me shelter, he must be a god." Cat thinks, "He feeds me, he gives me shelter, I must be a god." |
| 18:43.28 | Miesco | evaded: Bind is a dns server but you can also bind keys to commands |
| 18:43.29 | ceplma | HFOX-492: s/you expat/you have expat/ |
| 18:43.30 | HFOX-492 | ceplma, I don't want it to be anywhere near /usr/local/ or /usr it must be from /srv/local... unless there is no other way..? |
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| 18:43.41 | HFOX-492 | I have expat |
| 18:43.42 | Miesco | type: bind -h |
| 18:43.44 | bkudria | i'm trying to use lcd4linux to power the lcd on my usb logitech g15 keyboard...but lcd4linux segfaults and slightly corrupts the display, and the strace (http://pastebin.com/663506) seems to say something is wrong on the usb level...can anybody help?, i'm using sid, and the packaged 2.6.16 kernel... |
| 18:43.51 | shogunx | can we hardcode the string "lol" to do the same thing as crtl+alt+backspace? |
| 18:44.01 | Dwonis | shogunx: lol |
| 18:44.07 | shogunx | :) |
| 18:44.22 | ceplma | HFOX-492: I personally think it is silly, but whatever -- cannot you make some symlinks to /usr/local just for time of compilation of your program? |
| 18:44.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried gallipoli yet? |
| 18:44.36 | evaded | Miesco: I'm not experience with bind he ;-) |
| 18:44.52 | evaded | shogunx: lol, alias?? |
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| 18:45.10 | ceplma | HFOX-492: sorry, I have to ask -- why you don't want to have it in /usr/local? |
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| 18:45.35 | evaded | it's the day of alias :-) What going to be aliased ... :-) going to take an mega break |
| 18:45.47 | dvs | alias debian |
| 18:45.51 | shogunx | evaded a bash alias would be too easy to find and disable. |
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| 18:46.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: "Remove barriers that might've stopped your men from dying." |
| 18:46.14 | ceplma | HFOX-492: or why you don't use libexpat1 from Debian? |
| 18:46.14 | Miesco | shogunx: Do you know how to bind a key to a command |
| 18:46.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: "More dead Australians means more points!" |
| 18:46.19 | tarzeau | Miesco: x or console? |
| 18:46.21 | Suprano | i am trying to install tun/tap using this howto: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/marcelo/linux-2.4/Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt . now i am at point 3.1 , what to do with this source code ? |
| 18:46.31 | Miesco | console |
| 18:46.40 | Miesco | tarzeau: console |
| 18:46.46 | evaded | Guys thanks again for all you're infos. I take my break, i need it ;-) |
| 18:46.51 | Miesco | tarzeau: This is bugging me, cant figure it out |
| 18:47.03 | tarzeau | Miesco: yes it's possible, i just don't remember how |
| 18:47.13 | shogunx | Miesco ncurses, various wm's have different mechanisms for such. |
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| 18:47.47 | dvs | tuvwx: I drove through there yesterday |
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| 18:48.48 | Miesco | tarzeau: I used to do it, its in 'man bash' and search for bind, tells you how, but I still cant get it to work |
| 18:48.50 | Glanzmann | Hello. I am looking for a peace of software which emulates an xserver, but doesn't display anything. |
| 18:49.06 | tarzeau | Glanzmann: piece |
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| 18:49.11 | Glanzmann | Like: fake-xserver :1& DISPLAY=:1 application_i_dont_want_to_see |
| 18:49.17 | tarzeau | Glanzmann: and then? |
| 18:49.23 | tarzeau | Glanzmann: what if it's interactive? |
| 18:49.25 | shogunx | Miesco why not just do it with a script? |
| 18:49.34 | Glanzmann | tarzeau: I don't care. |
| 18:49.35 | tsarin | hi all -- I think my debian machine is hacked. |
| 18:49.40 | Miesco | tcsh is much easier, 'bindkey' command... |
| 18:49.49 | tarzeau | tsarin: why? |
| 18:49.52 | Miesco | shogunx: I cant, I would have to bind the script to a key |
| 18:49.52 | Glanzmann | tsarin: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:49.55 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 18:49.56 | dpkg | i guess harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 18:50.02 | tsarin | I just found device eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 18:50.06 | tarzeau | tsarin: haha |
| 18:50.12 | tarzeau | tsarin: did you run iptraf or tcpdump? |
| 18:50.13 | shogunx | Miesco, what key do you want to bind to? |
| 18:50.15 | tsarin | at random times like 3-6 times a week |
| 18:50.23 | tarzeau | tsarin: do other people have accounts on it? |
| 18:50.28 | tarzeau | tsarin: and you never run sniffers? |
| 18:50.31 | tsarin | used to for a bit |
| 18:50.34 | Miesco | shogunx: 2 |
| 18:50.34 | tarzeau | tsarin: got php? |
| 18:50.42 | tsarin | uhhhh |
| 18:50.44 | Miesco | I want to hit 2 and it does 'ls' command |
| 18:50.52 | Glanzmann | I am hacked, too. device vnic0 entered promiscuous mode |
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| 18:51.43 | shogunx | Miesco echo "ls $1 $2" > /bin/2 && chmod 755 /bin/2 |
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| 18:52.18 | Miesco | shogunx: I dont want to have to press enter |
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| 18:53.05 | shogunx | just when i thought i had cornered the market on sloth... |
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| 18:53.20 | tsarin | so apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't do anything new |
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| 18:53.39 | dvs | tsarin: did you apt-get update first? |
| 18:53.41 | tsarin | i do have php, but I don't serve anyting with it |
| 18:53.44 | tsarin | yes |
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| 18:54.12 | tarzeau | tsarin: don't msg me unless you are female, between 25 and 35 years old and sexy |
| 18:54.19 | tsarin | plus I have in crontab 03 3 * * * root apt-get update -q=2 |
| 18:54.27 | bkudria | i'm trying to use lcd4linux to power the lcd on my usb logitech g15 keyboard...but lcd4linux segfaults and slightly corrupts the display, and the strace (http://pastebin.com/663506) seems to say something is wrong on the usb level...can anybody help?, i'm using sid, and the packaged 2.6.16 kernel... |
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| 18:54.38 | aryal | if i do 'gcc -lname test.c' it complains about undefined references while 'gcc test.c /usr/lib/libname.a' works just fine. what gives? |
| 18:54.39 | dvs | tarzeau: two outta three ain't bad. ;-) |
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| 18:55.03 | tsarin | tarzeau: ok. the msg I sent was "do you have a second to help me" |
| 18:55.14 | tarzeau | tsarin: yes i do, here. or not |
| 18:55.20 | tsarin | ok |
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| 18:55.32 | tarzeau | tsarin: did you read !harden-doc ? |
| 18:55.35 | z0d | Hello. |
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| 18:55.46 | tsarin | is there anything I am doing that would cause prosc mode? I use nmap... |
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| 18:56.08 | tsarin | tarzeau: no, where is !harden-doc? |
| 18:56.08 | z0d | Is there a remedy for the X.org 7.0 upgrade in sid? |
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| 18:56.53 | Shadowcat | z0d: read the fucking topic |
| 18:57.22 | z0d | Shadowcat: thanks |
| 18:57.46 | tsarin | tarzeau: got it -- apt installing it |
| 18:57.49 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 18:57.50 | dpkg | it has been said that harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 18:57.55 | Miesco | bind -x "\"2\":ls" |
| 18:57.57 | Miesco | Thats how you do it |
| 18:59.31 | tsarin | is there any way to turn on process accounting -- |
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| 18:59.51 | tsarin | basically like an audit trail for what is being run by who for how long |
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| 19:00.29 | zebalin4 | dvs: I got it working.... but not via adding user. I actually created a new modem config and clicke "OK" before I tested it. I don't know what 'did it' but it works now. |
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| 19:00.44 | hatory | Hi.. how i change the definition of the fluxbox ? |
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| 19:00.55 | zebalin4 | dvs: thanks for the help. |
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| 19:01.07 | dvs | zebalin4: you didn't have to add another user. Just add your user to the "serial" group or whatever group it is. |
| 19:01.10 | cat | hatory: nano /etc/X11/fluxbox/menu |
| 19:01.24 | charlotte | What file system is the fastest to use when I want to delete a large number of files as fast as possible? |
| 19:01.30 | dvs | zebalin4: you still need to add "generic_serial" to the /etc/modules file though |
| 19:01.32 | cat | hatory: nano /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu |
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| 19:01.33 | zebalin4 | dvs: I never did either one of them. |
| 19:01.34 | cat | there u go |
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| 19:01.59 | zebalin4 | I will add 'beneric_serial' as I assume that is what 'did the trick'. |
| 19:02.04 | tsarin | can someone explain what promiscuous mode means? doesn't my ethernet card already accept connections from any IP? |
| 19:02.45 | gnufan | tsarin: there are a number of auditing systems and features for Linux -- start http://people.redhat.com/sgrubb/audit/visualize/index.html |
| 19:02.56 | shogunx | tsarin, it listens to every incoming packet, not just headers addressed to its ip. |
| 19:02.59 | ILF_ | i have a locale problem. had en_US-UTF-8 here, but need interaction with ISO-8891-1 ssh servers. i somehow fucked all my locale now, can't even write special characters on the bash. http://pastebin.com/663572 |
| 19:03.16 | shogunx | tsarin, ngrep and tcpdump use it, for example. |
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| 19:03.33 | gnufan | tsarin: or just its mac address ;) IP isn't everything (quite yet anyway). |
| 19:03.34 | cat | ILF_: do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:03.34 | zebalin4 | dvst: what happens if you dial out and connect while you are still connected to broadband via eth0 ??? |
| 19:03.40 | ILF_ | cat: did that, it |
| 19:03.44 | shogunx | tsarin, lets you watch everything on the physical mac address. |
| 19:03.55 | ILF_ | 's iso, logged out and in again, same thing |
| 19:03.55 | cat | ILF_: nothing happend? |
| 19:03.56 | shogunx | sorry, physical network segment |
| 19:03.59 | tsarin | got it |
| 19:04.09 | |littlet| | ILF_: did it happen after an dist-upgrade? There are some issues currently in unstable |
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| 19:04.19 | tsarin | so I can read packets to other machines on my lan |
| 19:04.23 | ILF_ | |littlet|: actually i'm on etch here |
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| 19:04.27 | shogunx | tsarin, correct. |
| 19:04.31 | cat | ILF_: do apt-get remove --purge locales && apt-get install locales again and see |
| 19:04.40 | tsarin | the machine is severed by a switch - so I assume it only gets packets meant for it |
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| 19:05.31 | shogunx | tsarin, if routing happens in the switch at layer1, then yes. try a few network requests on another machine on your lan with ngrep running. |
| 19:05.43 | gnufan | tsarin: typically yes -- although many switches are "persuadable" on that point if you wear a black hat |
| 19:05.46 | |littlet| | ILF_: if cat's suggestion does not help: what does /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale contain? |
| 19:05.49 | chealer | how can you check the MIME type of a format with shared-mime-info? the database seems to be an XML file |
| 19:05.54 | tsarin | k |
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| 19:06.20 | jsmidt | I installed Etch and put in an audio cd and got this error: mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist. What can I do? |
| 19:06.33 | tsarin | is there a way to check that all the files in a package match the files I would get from a new .deb? |
| 19:06.46 | cat | jsmidt: try playing it with xmms, |
| 19:06.49 | chealer | tsarin: debsums |
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| 19:07.04 | cat | jsmidt: did you do adduser user cdrom? |
| 19:07.04 | chealer | jsmidt: do you use hal? |
| 19:07.14 | tsarin | I have no idea what I'm doing, but I have a pretty good idea that this machine has been hacked |
| 19:07.20 | gnufan | tsarin: debs have checksums -- although be aware some packages do change files after install so the checksum on config files may have been automatically updated |
| 19:07.22 | jsmidt | I did not adduser cdrom |
| 19:07.32 | jsmidt | I do not know whether I use hal |
| 19:07.39 | Led_Zeppelin | jsmidt: i don't think you have to mount an audio CD. it will play automatically. |
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| 19:08.01 | jsmidt | It is an SATA cdrom, the installer had trouble detecting it too. |
| 19:08.11 | jsmidt | frans pop helped with that |
| 19:08.23 | ILF_ | cat: didn't help |
| 19:08.27 | ILF_ | |littlet|: http://pastebin.com/663581 |
| 19:08.30 | tsarin | nod |
| 19:08.43 | gnufan | tsarin: is it a work box? Do they have a policy on what to do, as it may be as well to switch it off and walk away till someone who does know arrives - although if it is just promiscuous mode, it could be nmap, or some other network monitoring tool. Promiscuous mode is used far too often by fairly legitimate things |
| 19:08.58 | |littlet| | ILF_: try uncommenting the lines in /etc/environment, re-login |
| 19:09.02 | ILF_ | tried playing around with this one. added the comments myself, both ways don't work |
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| 19:09.36 | jsmidt | sound juicer says "no cdrom drives found?" |
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| 19:09.40 | tsarin | i do use nmap -- but this pattern smacks of something bad |
| 19:10.33 | tsarin | on feb 7, promis mode for 11 mins, feb 8 4 mins, then open for 1 second 3-6 times a week on random days at 06:2x:xx in the morning where x is all over |
| 19:10.35 | ILF_ | |littlet|: did that, doesn't work :( |
| 19:10.44 | roderyk | Hello, I just dist-upgraded (testing, with some unstable packages for flavor), and apperantly debian removed some core X packages (I wasn't really paying attention to what was being upgraded, *sigh*). When I try to startx, I get 'could not open default font fixed'. My system has xfonts-base 1.0.0-3. any ideas? |
| 19:11.02 | tsarin | :( |
| 19:11.29 | tsarin | although - if it really was hacked - why would they leave the log entries. I don't know |
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| 19:12.16 | tsarin | is there a way to get a list of all packages installed -- without the extra stuff on dpkg -l ? |
| 19:12.17 | jsmidt | Is there a command to see If I can get Debian to autodetect the cdrom? |
| 19:12.46 | shogunx | tsarin are there logins to match the prom modes? cron jobs? |
| 19:12.46 | |littlet| | roderyk: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 19:12.47 | Led_Zeppelin | jsmidt: desg | more |
| 19:12.52 | jsmidt | thanks |
| 19:12.55 | nostalg1c | tsarin, perhaps they're just dumb. i once tracked a hacker down to his irc channel |
| 19:13.00 | Led_Zeppelin | jsmidt: that will show you if it found your cdrom or not.. |
| 19:13.29 | Led_Zeppelin | jsmidt: dmesg not dseg |
| 19:13.57 | xaxes|free | hey, anybody how could tell me how to hide IP in gaim? |
| 19:14.16 | Led_Zeppelin | xaxes|free: hide IP address? |
| 19:14.40 | xaxes|free | yeah, in my "short-info" there is my ip listed .. |
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| 19:14.59 | Led_Zeppelin | xaxes|free: thats probally gaim's module. try asking in #gaim |
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| 19:15.52 | xaxes|free | lol .. sry, thought i'm in #gaim ;D *smile |
| 19:15.57 | xaxes|free | later ;) |
| 19:17.20 | thnee | i cant install vnc4server because it depends on xserver-common and that package is broken.. what to do? |
| 19:17.50 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: using sarge or etch? |
| 19:17.54 | Eulex | or sid |
| 19:17.58 | thnee | sarge i believe |
| 19:18.00 | xaxes|free | or debian |
| 19:18.00 | xaxes|free | :) |
| 19:18.04 | xaxes|free | ;) |
| 19:18.09 | nostalg1c | gentoo 4 lyfe! |
| 19:18.13 | gnu77 | lol |
| 19:18.14 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: apt-get install xserver-common |
| 19:18.15 | nostalg1c | *cough* |
| 19:18.25 | thnee | Led_Zeppelin: The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-common: Depends: x11-common (>= 6.8.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:18.28 | thnee | E: Broken packages |
| 19:18.33 | roderyk | |littlet|: thank you. I'm surprised, I would have expected that a change like this would invoke some kind of dialog: "Warning: there has been a change in packaging; please update your directories as such..." |
| 19:18.45 | Eulex | thnee, you played with unofficial xorg packages? |
| 19:19.03 | Led_Zeppelin | try removing it, and reinstalling it. |
| 19:19.05 | thnee | Eulex: not sure what you mean, i havent played with anything besides apt |
| 19:19.16 | Led_Zeppelin | if you are using sarge, it should work. The x11 package works. |
| 19:19.19 | Led_Zeppelin | i mean etch |
| 19:19.25 | gnu77 | its broken at the moment @ thnee .... |
| 19:19.28 | gnu77 | @ sid |
| 19:19.29 | ravenbird | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 19:19.42 | thnee | how can i find out if i run etch or sarge or sid? |
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| 19:19.53 | gnu77 | you are running SId ;-) |
| 19:19.57 | Led_Zeppelin | cat /etc/issue.net |
| 19:20.00 | Eulex | gnu77, he's not |
| 19:20.04 | thnee | if i remove x11-common i wants to remove 289 other packages... |
| 19:20.23 | Eulex | thnee, dpkg -l libc6| tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 19:20.30 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: hmm, you may not be running sarge or etch, you might be running sid :-( |
| 19:20.39 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, he's not |
| 19:20.56 | thnee | Eulex: ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 19:21.05 | thnee | Led_Zeppelin: is there some way to find out? |
| 19:21.11 | Eulex | Led_Zeppelin, oh, he is. |
| 19:21.14 | thnee | im running unstable.. |
| 19:21.17 | gnu77 | hrrr |
| 19:21.18 | Eulex | thnee, you're on sid |
| 19:21.21 | gnu77 | ;-) |
| 19:21.23 | Eulex | sid == unstable |
| 19:21.27 | deadcat_ | whats a good dpi to use? |
| 19:21.35 | gnu77 | unstable=funny=but tricky |
| 19:21.44 | avtobiff | sid is the kid next door that breaks toys. |
| 19:21.50 | Eulex | thnee, first and foremost, you shouldn't run unstable if you don't even know that sid is unstable |
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| 19:21.59 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: is this an important box? |
| 19:22.00 | dance_ | tsarin: dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | sed s/install// |
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| 19:22.33 | avtobiff | i did not know that sid was unstable until some months ago. and i have run unstable for some time. |
| 19:22.35 | thnee | Eulex: i thought stable just contained so old stuff i didnt think it was worth it |
| 19:22.50 | thnee | Led_Zeppelin: not moneywise and stuff, but somewhat personally why? |
| 19:23.02 | Shadowcat | thnee: tip, stop using unstable |
| 19:23.16 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: well, stable ('sarge') is kinda old. I prefer using 'etch' which is pretty new, and works awesome! |
| 19:23.28 | thnee | Shadowcat: wont that force me to run like 2 year old programs? |
| 19:23.35 | Eulex | thnee, etch is not that old. |
| 19:23.39 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: your best bet, is to rebuild the box, and run sarge...its very decent! probally the best out there :-) |
| 19:23.48 | thnee | which is which here? sid == unstable, sarge and ethc are? |
| 19:23.49 | Shadowcat | thnee: either that, or you can just deal with me insulting you for ignorance everytime you come here |
| 19:23.54 | Shadowcat | oh and trust me, I do it VERY well |
| 19:23.56 | Led_Zeppelin | *i mean run 'etch' NOT 'sarge' |
| 19:24.07 | Shadowcat | you want to run unstable, don't freaking ask questions about it here |
| 19:24.13 | Shadowcat | you're supposed to know how to fix things |
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| 19:24.16 | gnu77 | ;-) |
| 19:24.18 | Eulex | thnee, seriously, go read http://debian.org/releases/ |
| 19:24.32 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: run etch, you will be fine. |
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| 19:25.30 | thnee | so i just change to testing where it says unstable in sources.list? |
| 19:25.42 | Shadowcat | no, you should reinstall |
| 19:25.43 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: no, you can't downgrade that easily. |
| 19:25.51 | thnee | bummer |
| 19:25.52 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: you can only upgrade...downgrade is tough to do. |
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| 19:26.03 | Shadowcat | reading the log, I doubt thnee will be able to fix the screwups that occasionally appear in etch |
| 19:26.12 | Shadowcat | if you don't know how to manually troublesort packages |
| 19:26.15 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: do you have a spare partition? |
| 19:26.21 | Shadowcat | go install sarge or ubuntu and LEARN |
| 19:26.23 | Shadowcat | then move on to etch |
| 19:26.37 | Shadowcat | and if you feel like dealing with unbootable kernels every two months, sid |
| 19:26.37 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: you can install sarge on it, and then copy your personal data to new partition. and perform upgrade on that... |
| 19:26.49 | Led_Zeppelin | sid=crazy , IMO |
| 19:26.56 | thnee | i see |
| 19:26.57 | Shadowcat | Led_Zeppelin: I use sid/experimental |
| 19:27.08 | Led_Zeppelin | Shadowcat: you are crazy :-) |
| 19:27.11 | Shadowcat | but you rarely see me asking anything about debian in here |
| 19:27.19 | Shadowcat | Led_Zeppelin: I also run bleeding edge gentoo |
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| 19:27.26 | gnu77 | nope... sid is funny ;-) |
| 19:27.30 | Aim_Here | Thankfully there is an alternative naming scheme |
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| 19:27.48 | Aim_Here | sid, sarge and whatever the next one is going to be |
| 19:28.00 | gnu77 | etch ;-) |
| 19:28.05 | Shadowcat | !beat Aim_Here |
| 19:28.10 | Shadowcat | sid will always be sid |
| 19:28.11 | thnee | so a broken package means what? that the package itself is broken or that the program in it has been marked aas broken? |
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| 19:28.23 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: either or. |
| 19:28.27 | Shadowcat | thnee: go read the documentation on debian.org |
| 19:28.28 | tarzeau | thnee: packages don't get marked as broken |
| 19:28.33 | gnu77 | broken until it will be fixed..or you seems to have an solution |
| 19:28.33 | Shadowcat | we're not gonna teach you how to run sid |
| 19:28.38 | dance_ | what's so crazy about sid/experimental? I've faced only a couple of severe problems during the two or three years I've run them |
| 19:28.38 | tarzeau | thnee: but there's BTS |
| 19:28.42 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: seems the package that broke for you is somewhat critical. |
| 19:28.48 | tarzeau | dance_: same here |
| 19:28.51 | Shadowcat | dance_: we know how to run it |
| 19:28.52 | dance_ | not to say they're for beginners |
| 19:28.53 | tarzeau | dance_: nothing is crazy about it |
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| 19:28.58 | Shadowcat | thnee doesn't |
| 19:29.18 | Shadowcat | and you ain't gonna learn by asking here |
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| 19:29.39 | tsarin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.44 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: do you have a spare partition? |
| 19:29.49 | thnee | Led_Zeppelin: not really |
| 19:29.53 | Shadowcat | and anyone who has been asking about the XOrg breakage obviously doesn't know enough to run unstable either |
| 19:30.03 | Shadowcat | because it's been in the topic all week |
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| 19:30.06 | Led_Zeppelin | thnee: hmm, probally best bet is to reinstall. |
| 19:30.08 | thnee | but i can reainstall everything later on |
| 19:30.21 | SLippin1 | Is there a way to *know* whether sarge supports a specific nic? |
| 19:30.34 | Shadowcat | check the .config file for the kernel |
| 19:30.35 | Led_Zeppelin | SLippin1: thats a kernel thing. |
| 19:30.54 | Led_Zeppelin | SLippin1: best bet, read the kernel Documentation about device support. |
| 19:31.07 | Shadowcat | no |
| 19:31.10 | SLippin1 | Thanks. |
| 19:31.13 | Shadowcat | you want to know what's in the sarge kernel |
| 19:31.15 | roderyk | Shadowcat: nope. :) I run debian because I can do "dist-upgrade" and forget. I have no intention of looking into more of debian than I need to do my job. (not that I'm a linux newb) That's why debian is the perfect OS. :-) |
| 19:31.21 | Shadowcat | check what's in the .config file |
| 19:31.39 | Shadowcat | roderyk: as long as you read the darn bug reports, it's fine with me |
| 19:31.58 | Shadowcat | the .config file describes everything compiled into the kernel |
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| 19:32.04 | Shadowcat | and since nic support is related to the kernel |
| 19:32.12 | Shadowcat | obviously .config ISN'T the optimum place to check |
| 19:32.15 | Shadowcat | </sarcasm> |
| 19:32.46 | Led_Zeppelin | Is it possible to create a Debian CDImage with the current installed system? I know there was a package for this, but I can't see to find it. |
| 19:32.57 | Led_Zeppelin | similar to mksysb on AIX. |
| 19:32.59 | thnee | Shadowcat: im not sure what you mean when you say "know how to run unstable" is there like a tutorial on that? or is it simply based on being good with linux programs/coding in general? |
| 19:33.06 | tsarin | is there a way to find the date when a specfic package was installed? |
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| 19:33.27 | LukaS04 | hmm is here any german who can help me because my english is very bad -.- |
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| 19:33.31 | Shadowcat | it is, but extremely tedious |
| 19:33.33 | SLippin1 | Thanks. I remember having to jump thru some hoops getting this nic to work with Mandrake a few years ago. Considering moving this box to sarge, but would like to verify the support before I jump. Thanks again. |
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| 19:33.43 | streuner | tsarin: via ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 19:33.45 | avtobiff | thnee, no coding/programming needed. but if you need to ask about how to install run unstable you should not run it. |
| 19:33.54 | Shadowcat | !tell thnee about iyhtays |
| 19:34.02 | Coweater | LukaS04: #debian.de |
| 19:34.07 | LukaS04 | oh thanks |
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| 19:34.33 | tuvwx | is anyone using checkinstall? it's looking for /usr/lib/installwatch.so, while there is only /usr/lib/installwatch/installwatch.so!! |
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| 19:34.50 | tuvwx | is this a bug in checkinstall? |
| 19:34.52 | avtobiff | tuvwx, i am using checkinstall. |
| 19:34.54 | E-bola | How can i resize my hdd in debian? As in using the free space on my 1big partition to create 2 equal size partitions? |
| 19:34.56 | HPS`Fresh | tell me somebody what is different "export VARIABLE=123" and "VARIABLE=123"? |
| 19:34.58 | E-bola | without loosing the content |
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| 19:35.01 | tsarin | :) :) :) :) :) |
| 19:35.06 | avtobiff | but i compiled it myself because the it broke in unstable. |
| 19:35.06 | tuvwx | avtobiff, did you have this problem? |
| 19:35.08 | ontehline22 | I was thinking of switching from Fedora to Debian, Fedora has worked well for me for a long time, but my buddy is pressuring me to try Debian, is there any PROs that Debian has over Fedora? |
| 19:35.11 | tsarin | on 2/7/06 I installed snort |
| 19:35.15 | tsarin | yeah |
| 19:35.26 | Eulex | !tell ontehline22 about why debian |
| 19:35.31 | avtobiff | tuvwx, no... or perhaps yes... dont rember. it was some dependency or something. |
| 19:35.56 | ontehline22 | I don't want to hear what debian DEVs have to say, I want to see what the users think |
| 19:36.00 | avtobiff | !tell avtobiff about why debian |
| 19:36.13 | tuvwx | avtobiff, no depend. problem.. installwatch is installed, but checkinstall is looking for the installwatch.so in the wrong path |
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| 19:36.29 | avtobiff | well then... perhaps it works now... |
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| 19:36.33 | gnu77 | !tell gnu77 about why debian |
| 19:36.35 | dance_ | thnee: if you wanna use sid you must know how to use google and lists.d.o IMO |
| 19:36.37 | Led_Zeppelin | tsarin: ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/info/<<packagename>.list |
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| 19:36.42 | tuvwx | avtobiff, no it doesn't |
| 19:37.22 | ontehline22 | Can anyone give me a pro that Debian has over Fedora? I want to hear what a good user thinks, not what the Debian devs are telling me.. |
| 19:37.40 | Shadowcat | oh great |
| 19:37.42 | Led_Zeppelin | ontehline22: debian is probally the best Linux distro out there. I personally use it because its the closest to enterprise UNIX systems (ie. AIX, and HP UX). good luck. |
| 19:37.48 | Ronin | so you dont belive what teh devs say? |
| 19:37.58 | ontehline22 | no, they're eevvviilll |
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| 19:38.04 | Shadowcat | !beat ontehline22 |
| 19:38.32 | Shadowcat | ontehline22: and you just proved my point |
| 19:38.39 | Shadowcat | debian is not fedora |
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| 19:38.49 | ontehline22 | Shadowcat: err...are you an idiot ? |
| 19:38.51 | Shadowcat | if you want to run it, you're gonna have to do a great deal of reading |
| 19:39.01 | tuvwx | avtobiff, can you actually install packages using checkinstall? it segfault with me, even after i symlinked the misplaced library |
| 19:39.07 | Led_Zeppelin | ontehline22: you will like Debian. |
| 19:39.11 | ontehline22 | Shadowcat: If you didn't want to help, don't say anything, you don't have to be an ass |
| 19:39.12 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 19:39.12 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 19:39.13 | Eulex | ontehline22, debian is much more console oriented than fedora. |
| 19:39.21 | ontehline22 | ah |
| 19:39.25 | Eulex | ontehline22, if you don't like that; keep away from it |
| 19:39.25 | tarzeau | ontehline22: this is the debian user place |
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| 19:39.32 | tarzeau | ontehline22: fedora has no packages from users |
| 19:39.32 | initech | ontehline22: debian is far larger, has a far superior packaging system, and is more thoughtfully laid out. None of these things would be immediately apparent to anyone first trying it. |
| 19:39.42 | tarzeau | oh wait, fedora does. but still debian has way more software |
| 19:39.50 | Shadowcat | actually fedora is just a pos |
| 19:39.52 | Shadowcat | yum rarely works |
| 19:40.00 | Shadowcat | oh and let's not even get into the part about rpm hell |
| 19:40.01 | initech | yum is terrible |
| 19:40.03 | ontehline22 | let me just get one thing straight, if I was to install base, then tyep 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome' I would have a desktop, and the new gnome everyones talking about?? |
| 19:40.09 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: we use it on 3 amd64 machines, but only for one thing |
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| 19:40.21 | leaveone | anyone in here familiar with mplayer? im watching a dvd but the sound is very very low.. but when i listen to an mp3 in xmms the volume is normal |
| 19:40.23 | Shadowcat | the only decent way to get it half working is to install apt-rpm |
| 19:40.25 | Shadowcat | wiht is apt-lite |
| 19:40.27 | twisted` | how do I write the .img file to floppy? I can'tr access linux |
| 19:40.28 | Ronin | ontehline22: no, it depends on what release of debian you choose, i suggest you start with sarge |
| 19:40.40 | ontehline22 | Ronin: Will I get a fairly new gnome? |
| 19:40.45 | Shadowcat | no you won't |
| 19:40.49 | Shadowcat | you'll get whatever's in Sarge |
| 19:40.58 | Shadowcat | next question will be: how do I run the latest software |
| 19:41.04 | Ronin | which not being the latest aint called stable for nothing |
| 19:41.13 | Ronin | Shadowcat: magic ball working tonight i see |
| 19:41.15 | Led_Zeppelin | Advantages of Fedora: Built in LVM for root disk. RPM support, unfortunaly major corporations acknowledge them over debs. Has somewhat recent software from base core. yum is okay, but not even close to apt-get. |
| 19:41.21 | ontehline22 | Ronin: Alright, and one more question, is there a button to make Shadowcat shut up? |
| 19:41.30 | roadfish | /etc/nologin is blocking my log on... am I correct in assuming failure somewhere in /etc/rc[0-6S].d? |
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| 19:41.33 | Shadowcat | Ronin: I op a channel called #linux-noob |
| 19:41.37 | Shadowcat | I know all the questions |
| 19:41.45 | Shadowcat | and if you're asking these, I usually recommend ubuntu |
| 19:41.47 | roadfish | if so, how should I proceed? have been looking in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages and /var/log/daemon.log |
| 19:41.47 | Shadowcat | NOT debian |
| 19:41.47 | AlienX | in sid, apt wants to remove x-window-system, is that normal for the Xorg 7 packages? It looks like it wants to replace it with xserver-xorg |
| 19:41.52 | Ronin | Shadowcat: ya they do tend to be the same ones a lot of the time |
| 19:41.52 | avtobiff | tuvwx, yes i can run it. as i said. this problem is probably the same i encountered. i ended up with compiling my own. i think. or downloading some debs from somewhere else. |
| 19:41.55 | ontehline22 | Shadowcat, no one cares, thanks |
| 19:42.02 | Shadowcat | AlienX: READ the topic |
| 19:42.05 | kyncani | AlienX: /topic |
| 19:42.06 | initech | roadfish: did you delete /etc/init.d/rmnologin? |
| 19:42.08 | leaveone | anyone in here familiar with mplayer? im watching a dvd but the sound is very very low.. but when i listen to an mp3 in xmms the volume is normal |
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| 19:42.22 | Eulex | ontehline22, gnome 2.8 is in sarge. |
| 19:42.22 | chealer | leaveone: #mplayer |
| 19:42.27 | Shadowcat | ontehline22: you say you want to try debian, but yet you don't want to take the time or effort to learn it properly |
| 19:42.29 | Led_Zeppelin | leaveone: is it a multichanel DVD audio? |
| 19:42.33 | Shadowcat | and you do NOT learn debian by asking in this channel |
| 19:42.37 | ontehline22 | Eulex: Is that fairly new? |
| 19:42.38 | Shadowcat | you learn it by reading the documentation |
| 19:42.43 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: or using it |
| 19:42.44 | leaveone | yeah.. it should be |
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| 19:42.45 | avtobiff | leaveone, you may have to edit the sound levels on the movie. |
| 19:42.52 | Ronin | ontehline22: no its not, but why do you need the latest? |
| 19:42.58 | ontehline22 | ROnin: I don' |
| 19:43.00 | AlienX | Shad0wcat, thanks...looks like the topic has changed since I was last at my computer... |
| 19:43.00 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: well... lots of apt stuff can't be learned by trial and error |
| 19:43.07 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: true |
| 19:43.09 | ontehline22 | ronin: I dont want old software :/ |
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| 19:43.12 | Led_Zeppelin | ontehline22: don't listen to all of them :-). You will like debian. Is you have any problems come here, and someone will help you. Goodluck! |
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| 19:43.20 | gnu77 | yum works without errors with /base/livna/extras /updates-released.. @ Shadowcat at 3 Workstations over 1 Year now.. also my Debian does.. |
| 19:43.21 | leaveone | avtobiff, is that an option in myplayer? |
| 19:43.23 | initech | leaveone: probably the movie is playing through a different mixer channel that is set low |
| 19:43.24 | Shadowcat | Led_Zeppelin: then you can give him the 10 hour tutorial |
| 19:43.25 | Ronin | ontehline22: ahh you suffer from the latest syndrome i see |
| 19:43.25 | Shadowcat | good luck |
| 19:43.29 | tuvwx | avtobiff, hmm.. too bad |
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| 19:43.35 | ontehline22 | Led_Zepplin: Thanks *burns debian sarge to disc |
| 19:43.55 | avtobiff | tuvwx, it wasn't that cumbersome |
| 19:43.56 | ontehline22 | Ronin: Come on, do you really want to be running msn through fortran -.- |
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| 19:43.58 | Led_Zeppelin | ontehline22: cool. Good luck. Is this a critical box? |
| 19:44.00 | tarzeau | gnu77: during the last year i remember one bad kernel (memory leak) |
| 19:44.02 | Shadowcat | he's so gonna be back with all sorts of problems |
| 19:44.11 | Ronin | ontehline22: im on sarge which is what 3? years old now |
| 19:44.22 | tarzeau | Ronin: no |
| 19:44.23 | jack_Norway | Hi I have a wlan problem I get teh card to scan for ssid ,, and get the ip with connecting the dhcp server but I am not able to get on net or ping any computer or any computer pings me. |
| 19:44.27 | tarzeau | Ronin: 1 year, not yet |
| 19:44.29 | ontehline22 | ok, does anyone else here think Shadowcat should shut up? if I'm the only one i'll shut up, but jesus..... |
| 19:44.29 | Ronin | no ontehline22 im much rather have the latest like sid |
| 19:44.31 | tarzeau | Ronin: woody was like 3 years old |
| 19:44.35 | Ronin | tarzeau: counting the locked time? |
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| 19:44.42 | tarzeau | Ronin: that's not sarge |
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| 19:44.51 | Shadowcat | Ronin: you just had to mention sid |
| 19:44.52 | Led_Zeppelin | ontehline22: <</ignore>> :-) works like a charm. |
| 19:44.55 | tarzeau | Ronin: sarge is the day it was released |
| 19:45.00 | Ronin | sorry Shadowcat |
| 19:45.03 | ontehline22 | Led_zepplin: Thx |
| 19:45.06 | Ronin | tarzeau: ya ya ya :) |
| 19:45.09 | leaveone | initech, how can i change the volume on the diff channels |
| 19:45.22 | jack_Norway | pleaze help |
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| 19:45.24 | gnu77 | alsamixer |
| 19:45.25 | Led_Zeppelin | leaveone: mplayer issue? |
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| 19:45.31 | leaveone | yeah |
| 19:45.39 | Led_Zeppelin | yah, alsamixer will do |
| 19:45.53 | tor_user | meLanie[huh] is spamming |
| 19:45.58 | leaveone | hmm.. i dont even know if i have alsa installed |
| 19:46.04 | Led_Zeppelin | apt-get install alsamixergui |
| 19:46.08 | gnu77 | try ist... |
| 19:46.22 | gnu77 | in Terminal alsamixer works if alsa is installed |
| 19:46.39 | Ronin | ontehline22: or you could get the debian net install cd too |
| 19:46.45 | tor_user | [21:44:47] *meLanie[huh]* http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 19:46.46 | initech | leaveone: alsamixer is alsa, aumix if oss |
| 19:46.55 | dance_ | jack_Norway: as a general hint, wait for about five minutes after asking, then repeat the question |
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| 19:46.59 | leaveone | im install alsamixergui now |
| 19:47.00 | wwallace | hello again what package do i need to install the following? |
| 19:47.01 | Ronin | wonder if theyre good porn videos |
| 19:47.01 | Astral_Projectio | I have a huge problem. I cannot download with firefox, konqueror, epiphany, only d4x. When I start download with firefox it just freezes. How can I fix it?? |
| 19:47.03 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.07 | dance_ | jack_Norway: and no i can't help you |
| 19:47.34 | Led_Zeppelin | lol @ Ronin |
| 19:47.42 | roadfish | initech: yes ... when I deleted nologin and nologin.boot, I tried to log into KDE but the process died part way through |
| 19:47.43 | jack_Norway | k just so desperate have tried to fix the issues now for days.. Something must a man do in his eastern... ;) |
| 19:47.49 | cat | wwallace: apt-get install libperl5.8 |
| 19:47.50 | Astral_Projectio | wwallace, install libxmms-perl |
| 19:48.00 | bleurgh | where's the debian package creation manual? |
| 19:48.05 | wwallace | cat thanks Astral_Projectio |
| 19:48.05 | Astral_Projectio | cat, he needs libxmms-perl |
| 19:48.09 | Astral_Projectio | ;) |
| 19:48.17 | cat | oh that two (: |
| 19:48.30 | sugoruyo | speaking of learning debian |
| 19:48.33 | Astral_Projectio | I have a huge problem. I cannot download with firefox, konqueror, epiphany, only d4x. When I start download with firefox it just freezes. How can I fix it?? |
| 19:48.42 | dn4 | deb-src http://demudi.agnula.org/packages/custom custom main <---- Does this work in anyone's sources.list for apt? |
| 19:48.43 | sugoruyo | do you guys think a book would help me get started? |
| 19:48.55 | sugoruyo | i only know the very basics of linux :P |
| 19:49.00 | shark_ | yes |
| 19:49.04 | shark_ | a book will help you |
| 19:49.11 | sugoruyo | any suggestions? |
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| 19:49.15 | Astral_Projectio | sugoruyo, go to http://www.tldp.org |
| 19:49.27 | Shadowcat | actually no shark_ was right |
| 19:49.29 | Shadowcat | go buy a book |
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| 19:49.34 | Shadowcat | Running Linux 5th Edition |
| 19:49.34 | sugoruyo | online docs are good but sometimes a book helps more |
| 19:49.40 | Shadowcat | and start reading |
| 19:49.40 | roadfish | initech: presumably something kills init.d before /etc/init.d/rmnologin is called. at the moment, I was thinking of inserting mini scripts to log progress. |
| 19:49.48 | sugoruyo | when you're totally n00b |
| 19:49.50 | Led_Zeppelin | bleurgh: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 19:50.18 | jammyflynn20 | is there a bt voyager 205 usb driver available |
| 19:50.26 | jammyflynn20 | for debian |
| 19:50.30 | leaveone | ok, when i run alsamixergui i get an error that says snd_ctl_open failed: no such device |
| 19:50.39 | wwallace | still no good |
| 19:50.44 | Eulex | leaveone, run alsaconf |
| 19:50.45 | Astral_Projectio | how can I use more than one sound at once? I now that it had to do with dmixer but I don't know ... ?? |
| 19:50.45 | wwallace | cant load the plug in |
| 19:51.03 | leaveone | ok.. doing that now |
| 19:51.19 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, use alsa and not oss |
| 19:51.23 | Astral_Projectio | wwallaca libxmms-perl isn't plugin for xchat |
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| 19:51.38 | Astral_Projectio | do apt-get install libxmms-perl |
| 19:51.38 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, about the download problem -- are you using testing or unstable? |
| 19:51.43 | jammyflynn20 | tried the apt-get install command didnt work any suggestions |
| 19:51.53 | jammyflynn20 | oops |
| 19:51.56 | Astral_Projectio | Eulex, I'm using Debian 3.1 r0a sarge |
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| 19:51.58 | jammyflynn20 | im talking about java |
| 19:52.06 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, hmm, then that's strange |
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| 19:52.12 | Astral_Projectio | I know |
| 19:52.18 | Astral_Projectio | maybe it's is modem driver |
| 19:52.23 | Astral_Projectio | Intel 536 on 2.6.8 kernel |
| 19:52.24 | Shadowcat | java? |
| 19:52.31 | Shadowcat | !tell jammyflynn20 about java |
| 19:52.35 | jammyflynn20 | aptitude shows java but cant install it |
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| 19:52.42 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 19:52.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:52.49 | Astral_Projectio | I copied Driver.ko into new directory that I created in kernel-source directory |
| 19:52.49 | Shadowcat | err no |
| 19:52.52 | Shadowcat | aptitude does NOT have java |
| 19:52.56 | Shadowcat | at least not sun java |
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| 19:53.05 | Shadowcat | jammyflynn20: read what dpkg msged tou |
| 19:53.09 | Shadowcat | and follow those instructions |
| 19:53.09 | Shadowcat | Ø |
| 19:53.25 | jammyflynn20 | ok |
| 19:53.31 | jammyflynn20 | i was looking for help |
| 19:53.39 | Shadowcat | that is help |
| 19:53.47 | Shadowcat | read it, follow those instructions, and you'll be set |
| 19:53.48 | jammyflynn20 | just wanted the stepthrough for java install |
| 19:53.58 | Shadowcat | THAT IS THE STEPTROUGH |
| 19:54.00 | Shadowcat | sheesh |
| 19:54.05 | Shadowcat | READ it |
| 19:54.06 | Ronin | and i belive thats what dpkg told you jammyflynn20 |
| 19:54.10 | Astral_Projectio | jammyflynn20, why it can't install java. what is the msg u get? |
| 19:54.26 | stew | jammyflynn20: what are you going to run with java? are you looking for a free java or the non-free sun java? |
| 19:54.40 | jammyflynn20 | im trying to connect to a java chatroom |
| 19:54.52 | Shadowcat | so read what dpkg posted, and follow those instructions |
| 19:54.56 | Shadowcat | !tell jammyflynn20 about install java |
| 19:55.16 | Shadowcat | !tell jammyflynn20 about java-package |
| 19:55.20 | stew | jammyflynn20: you want to connect to a chatroom using a java application/applet? with your browser? |
| 19:55.33 | jammyflynn20 | yes |
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| 19:55.49 | stew | jammyflynn20: then you need a non-free sun java, /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 19:56.00 | Shadowcat | stew: already did that |
| 19:56.08 | Shadowcat | he/she wants a personal assistant to guide him/her through it |
| 19:56.09 | stew | Shadowcat: you did what? |
| 19:56.14 | Ronin | or read what dpkg has been telling you since Shadowcat did the triggers |
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| 19:56.20 | hebrew | hi |
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| 19:56.53 | jammyflynn20 | im downloading jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin this is what im trying to install |
| 19:56.55 | hebrew | I need help to recover root password of my server, very urgently, how could help me? |
| 19:57.08 | Shadowcat | jammyflynn20: then follow the instructions dpkg gave you |
| 19:57.12 | Eulex | !tell Astral_Projectio about u |
| 19:57.15 | Shadowcat | preferably before everybody starts ignoring you |
| 19:57.25 | obscuresoul | i can't change my display picture in amsn...it doesn't let me do it, why? |
| 19:57.31 | Shadowcat | hebrew: you can't |
| 19:57.35 | Shadowcat | hebrew: you can reset it though |
| 19:57.43 | stew | hebrew: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 19:59.22 | aw | hi all.. i'm trying to fix a friend's machine.. .he has knoppix on the hd. working for years, after a power loss now on boot, there is a kernel panic: No init found, try passing an init to the kernel, any clues? |
| 19:59.33 | stew | aw: ask #knoppix, not here |
| 19:59.36 | Eulex | !knoppix |
| 19:59.36 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 19:59.37 | j-run | aw: what kernel is it? |
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| 20:00.14 | aw | Stew, might as well changed thw word from knoppix to deb, is the same thing, this is not a knoppix specific problem |
| 20:00.35 | aw | j-run, will check, i suspect it's a 2.4 |
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| 20:00.52 | stew | aw: doesn't matter, it's off-topic here |
| 20:01.07 | aw | stew: nice |
| 20:01.13 | jammyflynn20 | what are bin files for |
| 20:01.23 | obscuresoul | does anyone here uses amsn? it crashes all the time in sarge with me... |
| 20:01.24 | Shadowcat | and jammyflynn20 still hasn't read it |
| 20:01.26 | j-run | binary data :) |
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| 20:01.37 | Shadowcat | and people wonder why I have such a bad temper sometimes |
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| 20:02.00 | jammyflynn20 | ive read it |
| 20:02.00 | Eulex | aw, if you're description above is right, (a) the hdd is broken (b) the fs is corrupted. now go to #knoppix. |
| 20:02.01 | sticky | jammyflynn20: chmod +x blah.bin and then ./blah.bin ... just think of it as a windows executable |
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| 20:02.08 | Shadowcat | sticky: NO |
| 20:02.08 | stew | jammyflynn20: filename extensions don't really mean much in linux, it could be anything, in this case, its a self extracting archive of sorts |
| 20:02.13 | Shadowcat | he's trying to install java |
| 20:02.13 | sticky | Shadowcat: Yes. |
| 20:02.17 | sticky | Shadowcat: I see. |
| 20:02.18 | Shadowcat | NO |
| 20:02.26 | sticky | Well I said Yes :P |
| 20:02.27 | Shadowcat | doing that with the java bin will cause MAJOR PROBLEMS |
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| 20:02.32 | Shadowcat | and I repeat, MAJOR PROBLEMS |
| 20:02.36 | sticky | Not if you know what you're doing |
| 20:02.48 | Shadowcat | sticky: does he know like he knows what he's doing |
| 20:02.49 | Eulex | sticky, that's not how you install java. you don't run the binary; you let make-jpkg convert it into a deb package |
| 20:02.50 | Ronin | sticky: and jammyflynn20 doesnt :) |
| 20:03.03 | stew | Shadowcat: plese don't repeat, and please don't use caps, and although its not a good idea it wouldn't cause major problmes |
| 20:03.18 | Shadowcat | !beat Stereo |
| 20:03.20 | Shadowcat | err |
| 20:03.21 | sticky | Eulex: sure, if you wanted to turn it into a deb package |
| 20:03.22 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
| 20:03.24 | cat | hey is there any plugin for mozilla to play mpg or avi files? |
| 20:03.27 | stew | Shadowcat: stop doing that |
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| 20:03.38 | aw | j-run, it is indeed a 2.4.0 kernel, using ext3 for the hd |
| 20:03.45 | stew | cat: not in debian but marillat has one for mplayer, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:03.54 | cat | stew: does it? |
| 20:04.03 | stew | cat: yes |
| 20:04.11 | cat | all i want is a plugin for mozilla |
| 20:04.16 | cat | so i can play files in my mozilla |
| 20:04.20 | j-run | aw: could it be that he hasn't rebooted for a long time? maybe he changed built a new kernel and never tried it. |
| 20:04.21 | stew | cat: yes, we gathered |
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| 20:04.33 | stew | j-run: aw: please take it to #knoppix |
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| 20:04.48 | j-run | k stew |
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| 20:05.32 | tuvwx | how do i know which package provides the missing library for a failed make |
| 20:05.34 | tuvwx | ? |
| 20:05.53 | Alver | Hello. I'm having issues with sid after last night's update - KDE won't load at all. Before this, startx would launch KDE; now it launches TWM. 'startkde' errors out, complaining there is no display available. |
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| 20:06.06 | stew | tuvwx: what are you compiling? |
| 20:06.10 | aw | j-run: unlikely... he knows nothing about such things..... it just happened after the power loss... I tried rerunning lilo after booting up with a live cd, but i get an error /dev/hda permission denied... |
| 20:06.21 | tuvwx | stew, a gkrellm plugin: gkrellsun |
| 20:06.39 | dance_ | Alver: see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 20:06.45 | thaken | hello, I would like to define/store virtualdomain in something other then a flat file , e.g mysqld or slapd (via include or otherwise). is this possible with a standard install, that is without hacking apache? |
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| 20:06.53 | stew | tuvwx: try apt-get build-dep gkrellm ; otherwise use /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 20:07.06 | stew | aw: please take this conversation to #knoppix |
| 20:07.34 | lekvar | What's the right way to actually install mplayer from marillat? When I try to apt-get install mplayer, it complains about dependencies. I was able to install mozilla-mplayer okay though. |
| 20:07.36 | aw | stew, man, i could really rephrace the sentence, would you allow it here then? |
| 20:07.39 | Shadowcat | actually I agree wih stew |
| 20:07.47 | tuvwx | stew, i just compiled another plugin so i have a working compile setup.. i'm just missing a libXXX and i wonder if there is tool that can sport it for me |
| 20:07.50 | Alver | dance_: that would be a reading start at least. Thanks a lot :) |
| 20:07.57 | stew | aw: no |
| 20:08.06 | stew | tuvwx: apt-file |
| 20:08.16 | Shadowcat | aw, TAKE THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE |
| 20:08.24 | stew | Shadowcat: please stop using caps |
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| 20:08.29 | tuvwx | stew, well.. i don't know that missing file |
| 20:08.37 | tuvwx | stew, well.. i don't know the missing file |
| 20:08.37 | stew | tuvwx: read config.log |
| 20:08.54 | Ireal | hurray, the topic fixed my problems. thanks a lot! *back to coding* |
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| 20:09.01 | tuvwx | stew, i didn't need to run config.. it's just make |
| 20:09.15 | aw | stew, that's really narrow minded... but oh well... thanks a lot |
| 20:10.17 | j-run | anyone know what options to set MKIMAGE to in mkinitrd.conf to NOT use cramfs? Debian docs suggest changing to another file system, but I can't figure out how to do it. |
| 20:10.25 | sugoruyo | when was running linux 5th edition published? |
| 20:10.28 | stew | tuvwx: if its libxxx "apt-file search libxxx" should find a package containing a file like libxxx.0.so or something |
| 20:10.45 | recall | I have a java interpreter, compiler, etc. in /usr/bin linked to /etc/alternatives, and I can't remember where these came from. I tried dpkg -S /usr/bin/java, no luck. Familar to anyone? |
| 20:11.08 | Shadowcat | recall: you don't remember how you installed them? |
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| 20:11.14 | recall | Nope |
| 20:11.26 | Shadowcat | does aptitude give you anything? |
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| 20:11.31 | stew | recall: dpkg -S `readlink /etc/alternatives/java` |
| 20:11.39 | tsarin | what is the name of the scipt on debian that does the same thing as chkconfig on redhat? basically lets you set and unset which init.d scripts get run at boot time? |
| 20:11.41 | Ireal | recall: probably from the gij package |
| 20:11.41 | tuvwx | stew, i know what apt-file does. i know it's libXXX because i did compile this plugin before and needed to install some dev package that i don't remember now, so i don't know the needed lib file nor the package. can apt-file help me with that? |
| 20:11.52 | recall | Yeah, they are gij. |
| 20:12.09 | stew | tuvwx: yes |
| 20:12.21 | tuvwx | stew, how? |
| 20:12.33 | stew | tuvwx: apt-file search libXXX | grep la\$ |
| 20:12.49 | tuvwx | stew, and what would libXXX be? |
| 20:13.01 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 20:13.06 | gnufan | tsarin: there is update-rc.d |
| 20:13.10 | Shadowcat | I'd say throw out gij and install the real java |
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| 20:13.22 | stew | tuvwx: how would i know? |
| 20:13.25 | Alver | dance_: the information on that page concerning the nvidia binary drivers is incorrect though. I'll check on that one later. |
| 20:13.30 | tuvwx | stew, there you go.. |
| 20:13.37 | Ireal | Shadowcat: unfortunately openoffice depends on gij |
| 20:13.40 | stew | tuvwx: it would be libxxx-dev |
| 20:13.52 | dance_ | Alver: I meant the part about kdm |
| 20:13.55 | stew | tuvwx: you haven't showed us the actual probablem you are having so how would i now? |
| 20:13.58 | stew | know* |
| 20:14.22 | recall | Well, i'm just in a rush right now and I don't really want to deal with the Java headache. I have gij installed as a dependency for OO.org, so aptitude won't be happy if I dump it. |
| 20:14.25 | tuvwx | stew, i don't know the XXX in libXXX, by libXXX i meant that the compile fails because of some missign library, nothing else |
| 20:14.29 | Alver | dance_: I don't use kdm at all really... I just launch startx from tty1 whenever needed. It used to launch KDE, but not anymore. |
| 20:14.38 | tsarin | rcconf |
| 20:14.41 | recall | I have a working SDK on my harddrive that I wish to use, and I want to install Netbeans. |
| 20:14.47 | stew | tuvwx: and you want us to guess for you? |
| 20:14.53 | tsarin | gnufan: thanks... I was trying to remember rcconf |
| 20:14.56 | dance_ | Alver: ok, dunno then |
| 20:15.03 | Shadowcat | recall: it won't care if you install another java dependency |
| 20:15.11 | tsarin | it's really nice to keep 20k entries in .bash-history |
| 20:15.12 | Alver | dance_: no worries. I'm in xfce at the moment, which works fine so far |
| 20:15.15 | tuvwx | stew, no.. but i thought there might be some tool that can look into the source and generate the required libraries |
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| 20:16.19 | stew | recall: it doesn't depend necessarily on gij, but on a java-runtime, apt-cache showpkg java-runtime will show you other alternatives |
| 20:16.27 | sugoruyo | what other books should i get with running linux? |
| 20:16.36 | tuvwx | stew, ok.. here is a line causing a compile error: time_struc = gmtime(&(time_t)CurrentGMTTime); |
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| 20:16.45 | sugoruyo | something more debian specific |
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| 20:17.21 | Shadowcat | gnufan: I wouldn't |
| 20:17.23 | jammyflynn20 | is there a bt voyager 205 usb driver available |
| 20:17.26 | Shadowcat | I'd wait until they fix it |
| 20:17.42 | recall | I have a 1.4 Sun SDK with the libraries I need to use for this particular project, but of course it isn't in package form. |
| 20:17.48 | tuvwx | stew, where do i find the gmtime function? |
| 20:18.00 | stew | tuvwx: install build-essential |
| 20:18.01 | Alver | recall: it's not too much of a hassle. |
| 20:18.08 | Shadowcat | !tell recall about java-package |
| 20:18.15 | jammyflynn20 | is there a bt voyager 205 usb driver available for debian |
| 20:18.20 | tuvwx | stew, already installed |
| 20:18.23 | stew | tuvwx: man gmtime says that is in time.h which is in libc6-dev |
| 20:18.49 | j-run | jammy: what is it? chances are you don't need a specific driver |
| 20:18.55 | recall | Shadowcat, is there anyway I could package up my current SDK directory? |
| 20:19.04 | jammyflynn20 | im sure you do |
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| 20:19.13 | Shadowcat | recall: will you READ what dpkg msged you? |
| 20:19.15 | recall | I have some rxtx libraries and javaxcomm stuff... |
| 20:19.16 | gnufan | Shadowcat: I'm feeling brave (foolhardy), but I will backup the deb files from my cache before I upgrade them ;) |
| 20:19.16 | Shadowcat | doesn't anybody read in ehre? |
| 20:19.18 | jammyflynn20 | it wont connect and my ethernet is being used by another comp |
| 20:19.33 | Astral_Projectio | can someone tell me why I cannot connect to the Net with Kppp |
| 20:19.35 | j-run | jammy: keh?? |
| 20:19.42 | recall | Shadowcat, jesus. I read it. |
| 20:19.57 | Shadowcat | so install java 1.4 |
| 20:20.00 | stew | recall: its *possible* to package up your current java, but it would be an undertaking, it would be much easier to just use java-package |
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| 20:20.53 | jammyflynn20 | ok none knows about modems? |
| 20:21.06 | sugoruyo | do you guys think debian bible 3.1 and debian system are worth bying/reading? |
| 20:21.08 | recall | java-package wants to use a self exracting bin, so could I somehow create one from my current java? |
| 20:21.20 | stew | recall: no |
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| 20:21.46 | recall | Alright, I can just manually copy those libraries over I suppose. |
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| 20:22.08 | Ireal | recall: i think netbeans lets you specify the dir of your jdk during install |
| 20:22.08 | stew | recall: are these just .jar files? |
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| 20:22.21 | Shadowcat | recall: you do know how to extend java right? |
| 20:22.22 | stew | recall: the libraries, i mean? |
| 20:22.26 | Shadowcat | you can't create your own java bin |
| 20:22.35 | Shadowcat | but you can add new classes to your existing class path |
| 20:22.50 | recall | stew, there was some rxtx stuff, and a simple .so for accessing environmental variables. |
| 20:22.57 | tarzeau | can i have an mp3 of a video file? can someone make this for me? |
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| 20:23.19 | jammyflynn20 | ok do any modems on this earth work on linux with usb connection |
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| 20:23.22 | recall | Shadowcat, I'm new to java, I kind of realize that...hm. |
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| 20:23.46 | recall | Ireal, if that's the case, pointing it there would definately be easiest. |
| 20:23.54 | tuvwx | stew, ok.. it's not the gmtime.. the error says: invalid lvalue in unary '&' |
| 20:23.58 | stew | recall: .jars can go in /usr/share/java; the .so might need to go into the /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun or /usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun after you install with java-package |
| 20:24.09 | Shadowcat | recall: do us a favor |
| 20:24.10 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: it's not hard to do it with mencoder. is the sound already mp3 encoded? |
| 20:24.13 | Astral_Projectio | do some of you have time to help me because I have several problems.. :| |
| 20:24.18 | Shadowcat | next time, read java.sun.com before doing anything stupid |
| 20:24.22 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: i'm not sure, could you please do it? |
| 20:24.24 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4745422683598565642&q=sandra+snowboard&pl=true |
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| 20:24.31 | jammyflynn20 | ok do any modems on this earth work on linux with usb connection |
| 20:24.47 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: i have mplayer/mencode in windows here, but the shell really sucks |
| 20:24.47 | recall | Shadowcat, surely, i'm going to read their entire documentation set... |
| 20:24.57 | Shadowcat | recall: I did |
| 20:25.06 | recall | Yes, well, I don't have that time right now. |
| 20:25.13 | j-run | jammy: yes, lots. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html |
| 20:25.36 | recall | Thanks guys, I think I can get this from one of those options. |
| 20:26.20 | jammyflynn20 | !tell me somthing i can work with |
| 20:26.34 | jammyflynn20 | lol |
| 20:26.42 | jammyflynn20 | no jammyflynn i wont |
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| 20:27.04 | jammyflynn20 | !help |
| 20:27.13 | j-run | jammy: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ ;) |
| 20:27.16 | minerale | Is it possible to "echo" a string w/ colours ? |
| 20:27.24 | jammyflynn20 | -bin |
| 20:27.27 | stew | jammyflynn20: if its a winmodem, you might want to see if linmodems.org has anything about your modem |
| 20:28.33 | jammyflynn20 | bt voyager 205 |
| 20:29.03 | Ronin | jammyflynn20: did you look on the urls you were given? |
| 20:29.04 | j-run | jammy: google a bit. i found loads of info. it WILL work. |
| 20:29.07 | stew | minerale: yes can echo a ansi escape code for a color, then the text in that color, google for ansi colors |
| 20:29.20 | tarzeau | minerale: sure |
| 20:29.39 | tarzeau | man console_codes |
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| 20:30.32 | recall | Ireal, thanks, you can point to the JRE on installation of Netbeans. Should have looked there first. |
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| 20:31.00 | Ireal | recall: indeed |
| 20:31.18 | j-run | anyone successfully built and booted a 2.6.x kernel on sarge? |
| 20:31.23 | tuvwx | stew, i just downloaded a newer version and it compiled allright. i think the old one needed gcc-3.3 or something |
| 20:31.29 | stew | j-run: many many people |
| 20:31.32 | tarzeau | j-run: yes |
| 20:31.37 | j-run | i ugess so |
| 20:31.43 | tarzeau | j-run: my .config, www.linuks.mine.nu/make-kpkg/ |
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| 20:31.56 | stew | j-run: in fact, the sarge installer comes with a 2.6 kernel |
| 20:32.01 | j-run | it does? |
| 20:32.08 | huhlig | anyone know if there is an openxchange channel |
| 20:32.12 | huhlig | I cant pull the channel list |
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| 20:32.20 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 20:32.34 | stew | j-run: yes, if you hit f1 or f3 at the boot prompt you would have gotten instructions |
| 20:32.40 | j-run | ah, ok |
| 20:32.44 | huhlig | of anyone willing to help me install the openxchange package |
| 20:32.45 | j-run | that would'nt help |
| 20:32.46 | huhlig | or |
| 20:32.47 | Shadowcat | actually if you read the installer docs |
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| 20:32.50 | stew | huhlig: try /msg chanserver list #*xchange* or something similar |
| 20:32.51 | j-run | i need to build from sources |
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| 20:32.53 | Shadowcat | you would have known that |
| 20:32.53 | bob-jensen | how do i enable auto hinting in debian ? previously "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" gave me the option to, but now it doesnt. any idea ? |
| 20:32.59 | stew | !tell Shadowcat about enter |
| 20:33.11 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
| 20:33.17 | stew | Shadowcat: stop doing that |
| 20:33.23 | Shadowcat | stew: no |
| 20:33.38 | Shadowcat | stew: I'll hit enter when I want |
| 20:33.47 | Shadowcat | and the past 40 times you've tried and failed should give you a bloody hint |
| 20:33.50 | Shadowcat | now leave me a lone |
| 20:33.51 | Shadowcat | alone* |
| 20:35.17 | stew | Shadowcat: how about you stop being a dick to people in here, and stop being annoying with constantly using caps, and constantly using the bot to !beat people who are just suggesting that you be less annoying. if you are really just here to be annoying and belittle people just go somewhere else. You are rarely helpful in here |
| 20:35.42 | Shadowcat | actually, I'm mostly helpful in here |
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| 20:36.06 | stew | Shadowcat: you can be helpful without being a dick and without belittling people |
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| 20:36.30 | Shadowcat | stew: as long as you throw that enter factoid at me |
| 20:36.33 | Shadowcat | I'll keep beating you |
| 20:36.36 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 20:36.40 | bob-jensen | stew, Shadowcat : can you two stop this nonsense ? its not helping anyone. |
| 20:36.51 | Shadowcat | bob-jensen: I ain't the one starting it |
| 20:37.02 | bob-jensen | Shadowcat: then dont continue it either :) |
| 20:37.03 | Shadowcat | and I really don't see anyone else having a problem with the length of my lines, except him |
| 20:37.26 | Shadowcat | so he's the one with the problem, I'm just trying to get him to LEAVE ME ALONE |
| 20:37.34 | bob-jensen | so, any idea how i enable autohinting for fonts ? |
| 20:37.47 | stew | Shadowcat: that't not true at all. lot's of people have complained about you overusing your enter key. the factoid exists for a reason |
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| 20:38.07 | stew | bob-jensen: iirc dpkg-reconfigure font-config |
| 20:38.13 | Shadowcat | stew: and it's definately NOT your job to tell me how to use it |
| 20:38.21 | Shadowcat | so stop it |
| 20:38.27 | tech_ | Hi there. I'm looking for a mysql gui from where I can edit it's information. Does anybody know if it's possible with mysql-admin? |
| 20:38.39 | Shadowcat | tech_: not that I know of |
| 20:38.56 | Ireal | tech_: there's mysql-query-browser which sucks, but mysqlcc isn't being maintained anymore i believe |
| 20:39.02 | j-run | tarzeau: I see from your .config that you compiled 2.6 with ext3 in the kernel. Are you using grub? |
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| 20:39.15 | tarzeau | j-run: yes |
| 20:39.17 | bob-jensen | stew: that doesnt help, as i said earlier. though you didnt read it, since you and Shadowcat were bussy fighting ;) |
| 20:39.18 | tarzeau | j-run: and i don't like initrd |
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| 20:39.20 | tech_ | Shadowcat: ok, thanx, do you have one you particularly like? |
| 20:39.38 | Led_Zeppelin | tech_: get away from mySQL! :-) use postgresql |
| 20:39.41 | Shadowcat | ok.... I just said I didn't know of one ... |
| 20:39.47 | j-run | tarzeau: I obviously don't get initrd! |
| 20:39.59 | Shadowcat | j-run: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:40.01 | j-run | tarzeau: I don't understand it. That's my problem. |
| 20:40.05 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: http://list.iskon.hr/~jelly/sandra-snowboard.mp3 |
| 20:40.05 | tech_ | Led_Zeppelin: what's the difference? |
| 20:40.13 | tarzeau | j-run: don't bother, use my config file. it shall work |
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| 20:40.19 | j-run | I'm trying to build 2.6 on my newly installed sarge box. |
| 20:40.24 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: you're my hero! thanks alot, can you also tell me the command you used? |
| 20:40.24 | Led_Zeppelin | tech_: mySQL is weak and puny. Postgresql powerful and sexy |
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| 20:40.37 | j-run | but boot fails when mounting /dev/hda |
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| 20:40.39 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: course. mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -of rawaudio sandra-snowboard.avi -o sandra-snowboard.mp3 |
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| 20:40.45 | nameh | hello |
| 20:40.48 | Shadowcat | j-run: do you know how to compile a kernel? |
| 20:40.52 | j-run | yes |
| 20:40.55 | j-run | compiles ok |
| 20:40.55 | nameh | alguien habla espaƱol |
| 20:40.58 | Shadowcat | !es |
| 20:40.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:41.04 | j-run | build a kernel-image.deb package |
| 20:41.05 | tech_ | Led_Zeppelin: from my experience it has work ok. haven't tried postgresql yet |
| 20:41.07 | j-run | grub updates ok |
| 20:41.08 | Shadowcat | j-run: ok, do you know how to compile a successful kernel? |
| 20:41.09 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: i could kiss you! |
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| 20:41.22 | j-run | yes, I've done it many times |
| 20:41.23 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: if only you were female ;-) |
| 20:41.26 | stew | j-run: do you have a good reason to compile you're own kernel instead of just apt-getting one? |
| 20:41.36 | nameh | shadowcat: solo quiero saber como instalar debian |
| 20:41.38 | Shadowcat | j-run: is ext3 compiled as a module or into the kernel? |
| 20:41.40 | j-run | but mostly older 2.2 kernels |
| 20:41.49 | bob-jensen | !tell j-run custom kernel |
| 20:41.52 | j-run | it's in the kernel |
| 20:41.52 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: i can wear a wig and a miniskirt if you want |
| 20:42.02 | Shadowcat | if you don't use an initrd, you need the fs in the kernel, along with the IDE modules |
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| 20:42.06 | bob-jensen | !tell j-run about custom kernel |
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| 20:42.18 | tech_ | Shadowcat: do you have a mysql data administrator you like? |
| 20:42.26 | nameh | ok |
| 20:42.29 | Shadowcat | tech_: I edit the configuration file manually |
| 20:42.30 | shogunx | tarzeau thats twisted |
| 20:42.32 | j-run | stew: yes, I need to build because I'm building a module for a raid card later |
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| 20:42.50 | j-run | stew: and it needs to reference the kernel sources I currently run |
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| 20:42.56 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: make yourself a redhead and it's a deal. |
| 20:43.00 | stew | j-run: you should be able to build a 3rd party module for a debian kernel if you install the corresponding -headers package |
| 20:43.23 | powder | Hello all. Is there a way to check if agp 8x is enabled on etch with an ati card? |
| 20:43.28 | tech_ | Shadowcat: I'm not talking about the configuration file, I'm talking about the information on the tables. I want some software to see it grafically (and if possible edit it). |
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| 20:43.33 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: how many socks do you want to feel up under my bra? |
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| 20:43.56 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 20:43.56 | Ireal | tarzeau: don't forget to ask what type, udp or tcp |
| 20:44.07 | Led_Zeppelin | tech_: Its up to you. Postgresql is what I use and love....mySQL was always an after though for me. |
| 20:44.28 | j-run | stew: thanks, that would actually do the trick in my case. |
| 20:44.30 | shogunx | tech_ try mysql-query-browser |
| 20:44.42 | tarzeau | Ireal: udp. gay marriages aren't allowed nearly anywhere |
| 20:44.44 | tech_ | Led_Zepelin: what do you use it for? |
| 20:44.48 | tarzeau | Ireal: besides. i'm not gay |
| 20:44.58 | Ireal | tarzeau: >_< |
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| 20:45.17 | tech_ | shogunx: Shadowcat just told mysql-query-browse sucked... |
| 20:45.27 | Shadowcat | no |
| 20:45.31 | Led_Zeppelin | tech_: lots of things. Have bunch of production servers running it. Have databases anywhere from 100MB to 6TB :-) |
| 20:45.33 | Ireal | tech_: i did actually |
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| 20:45.34 | Shadowcat | I said I didn't know of any gui administration tool |
| 20:46.02 | Eulex | Ireal, disappointed, eh? ;) |
| 20:46.09 | Led_Zeppelin | tech_: if you have postgresql i could help you out :-) |
| 20:46.10 | humbolt | how can I make aptitude forget that I requested to "mark all upgradeable packages" via pressing "U"? |
| 20:46.15 | tech_ | oups! |
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| 20:46.17 | shogunx | tech_ it does suck comared to doing it at a mysql shell, but if you want a gui... there you go. |
| 20:46.20 | tech_ | sorry... haha |
| 20:46.22 | Shadowcat | humbolt: check the hotkey help |
| 20:46.32 | Shadowcat | in the latest version of aptitude, it's the : key |
| 20:46.34 | tech_ | ;-) |
| 20:46.36 | Shadowcat | but it changes |
| 20:46.41 | stew | tech_: there is phpmyadmin which is php based, though its a bit of a security liability |
| 20:46.44 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:46.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:46.45 | shogunx | tech_ if you are feeling particularly kdeish, use rekall. |
| 20:46.49 | humbolt | I just want to choose a view packages for upgrade by hand and don't want to have to go through the list and deselect everything at first. |
| 20:47.00 | Shadowcat | humbolt: do what I told you to do |
| 20:47.05 | Shadowcat | find the key for your version of aptitude |
| 20:47.06 | Shadowcat | and use it |
| 20:47.28 | tech_ | shogunx: sorry not familiar with the term "kdeish", are you refering to KDE environment? |
| 20:47.35 | shogunx | tech_ yeah |
| 20:47.41 | tech_ | oko |
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| 20:48.23 | humbolt | Shadowcat: according to the help this is just concerning one package. I want aptitude to forget all of them! |
| 20:48.28 | Led_Zeppelin | Is it possible to create a Debian CDImage with the current installed system? I know there was a package for this, but I can't see to find it. |
| 20:48.29 | tech_ | Ireal so why do you think mysql-query-browser sux? |
| 20:48.31 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: Hmm. Why don't you just put a picture online when you're all prepped up and we'll call it a deal? |
| 20:48.39 | humbolt | the opposit of "U" |
| 20:48.52 | Shadowcat | humbolt: uhh do it on the entire heading |
| 20:48.54 | tech_ | shogunx: I'm using gnome... and I think I like it better |
| 20:48.55 | Ireal | tech_: because using it is a nightmare, i dare say even worse than using phpmyadmin |
| 20:48.57 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: i've only one with blonde hair, and you'll not see the miniskirt |
| 20:49.04 | Ireal | which is quite the accomplishment |
| 20:49.04 | Shadowcat | there's a hreading called Upgraded packages |
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| 20:49.13 | Shadowcat | or packages upgrade |
| 20:49.17 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 20:49.23 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/tarzeau4.jpg |
| 20:49.25 | tech_ | Ireal: realy? well I want a way to see my data without tiping too much |
| 20:49.34 | shogunx | tech_ rekall is part of koffice, iirc. works on any window manager/desktop environment |
| 20:49.52 | Ireal | tech_: without typing too much.. ok |
| 20:49.57 | Ireal | i suggest you use a mouse :) |
| 20:49.59 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: a/s/l? |
| 20:49.59 | poonj | I have to login to my ADSL connection through a PPPoE setup...I have a IPtables firewall setup on the system as well. Do I need to worry about writing rules for that? |
| 20:50.09 | Shadowcat | poonj: yes you do |
| 20:50.11 | Eulex | tarzeau, bwahaha |
| 20:50.13 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: won't do. I expect you to at least shave! |
| 20:50.16 | tech_ | Ireal: are you making fun of me (rethorical question...) |
| 20:50.21 | poonj | what ports/protocol number is PPPoE based on? |
| 20:50.22 | Shadowcat | you can and probably will locking yourself out more than once before you get the hang of it |
| 20:50.23 | tech_ | :-o |
| 20:50.28 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: i am. you just don't see it |
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| 20:50.42 | Ireal | tech_: don't take my word for it. install the app, use it and be disgusted yourself :) |
| 20:50.42 | minerale | What kind of glob can I use for all the directories in a folder |
| 20:50.43 | minerale | ie, if I want to chmod only the directories... [*/] ? |
| 20:50.45 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 20:51.48 | tech_ | Ireal: the thing is I want only to see all my data at the same time |
| 20:51.48 | tech_ | for developping purposes |
| 20:51.48 | tarzeau | Eulex: got MSN? |
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| 20:51.49 | shogunx | poonj you will need to set up iptable rules for your ppp0 interface when pppoe brings it up. |
| 20:51.49 | tech_ | Ireal: ok... do you know if I can get with synaptic? |
| 20:51.51 | Ireal | tech_: understandable, it does that. phpmyadmin does it as well but that's a UI nightmare |
| 20:51.58 | Ireal | tech_: yes i think you can. |
| 20:52.05 | stew | minerale: if you happen to be wanting to do +x or -x on directories you can use +X or -X, otherwise use find -type d | xargs chmod |
| 20:52.24 | tech_ | Ireal: ok. thanx I'lll check it out |
| 20:52.35 | Eulex | tarzeau, indeed |
| 20:52.45 | Ireal | tech_: good luck |
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| 20:53.17 | tech_ | it's my first time on irc since 10 years ago... |
| 20:53.26 | norbert_ | question: what was the command again, to reconfigure xorg? |
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| 20:53.45 | Mortis_kruuul | http://www.mp3.muzyka.oz.pl :P |
| 20:53.45 | Shadowcat | dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xfree86/xserver-xorg |
| 20:53.49 | poonj | shogunx, I have a static ip...so it shows up as a regular eth0 interface.. |
| 20:53.52 | norbert_ | Shadowcat: thanks |
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| 20:54.01 | Shadowcat | !ops Mortis_kruuul is advertising |
| 20:54.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Mortis_kruuul is advertising |
| 20:54.02 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: anyway blondes aren't really my type. Though the glasses are a plus. |
| 20:54.05 | poonj | the thing is...when I actually login through PPPoE |
| 20:54.15 | poonj | are there protocols/ports I'd need to worry about? |
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| 20:54.30 | shogunx | poonj nmap -sS -v localhost and see for yourself:) |
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| 20:54.52 | tech_ | what about mp3 players, I don't like xmms' grafic interface, does anybody know a nice looking one? |
| 20:54.53 | shogunx | poonj or nmap the interface that connects to the adsl. |
| 20:55.09 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: you want me to play teacher? i look stern, don't i? |
| 20:55.21 | shogunx | tech_ i personally like the way mpg123 looks. |
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| 20:55.38 | norbert_ | Shadowcat: ehm, can you also tell me how I can make apt to install xorg? (it seems to be unavailable and my card is only supported by xorg, not xfree86) |
| 20:55.40 | humbolt | Shadowcat: TNX, was my first try anyway. Sometimes I speak befor thinking and trying. |
| 20:55.41 | Ireal | tech_: dunno if this is the place to discuss that |
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| 20:56.16 | tech_ | Ireal why not? |
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| 20:56.34 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: brown either? i've got that long natural hair now |
| 20:56.34 | deadcat_ | oh /opt is gone? replaced with srv? |
| 20:56.36 | Shadowcat | norbert_: what are you running, sarge? |
| 20:56.46 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: it's great i can keep it open, one pony tail, two pony tails... |
| 20:56.49 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: very cute |
| 20:57.02 | norbert_ | Shadowcat: yes, I am - I tried upgrading to testing, but this made my whole system crash, that's why I'm reinstalling Debian |
| 20:57.04 | stew | deadcat_: no /opt is still there and they are to be used for different things completely |
| 20:57.17 | Shadowcat | norbert_: well you have to run testing |
| 20:57.21 | deadcat_ | stew: my /opt is gone. |
| 20:57.36 | norbert_ | Shadowcat: hum, okay - I'll give it another try then |
| 20:58.04 | stew | deadcat_: that's odd. it should be there, don't know what would have removed it. no debian package should be allowed to touch it by policy |
| 20:58.16 | deadcat_ | hmm |
| 20:58.22 | tech_ | Ireal: just installed mysql-query-browser, it's kind of like the same thing as typing in tty, but it looks nicer... ;-) |
| 20:58.29 | stew | norbert_: what card do you have? |
| 20:58.31 | deadcat_ | i know i used to have it. but since i dont check / everyday... |
| 20:59.00 | Ireal | tech_: well, not quite the same though |
| 20:59.01 | norbert_ | stew: VIA K8M800 (UniChrome Pro 3D) |
| 20:59.24 | norbert_ | pretty stupid card, but it works |
| 20:59.32 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: be sure to bring a wooden ruler. I might be a naughty student. Also it seems that "mplayer -dumpaudio" works too. |
| 20:59.45 | stew | norbert_: dunno about that card. there are backports of xorg on backports.org /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:59.59 | norbert_ | stew: apt-get dist-upgrade is already running ;-) |
| 21:00.13 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: thanks. wood is bad 'cause when it breaks, it can hurt badly the flesh. but don't worry i have rulers :) |
| 21:00.18 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: you're new to this, right? |
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| 21:00.53 | j-run | tarzeau: i'm building a new kernel from your .config now. I should not have an initrd entry in grub's menu.lst then, right? |
| 21:01.14 | tarzeau | j-run: right. if you use make-kpkg (kernel-package) you don't need to edit grub menu.lst by hand |
| 21:01.24 | tarzeau | j-run: i'd recommend using make-kpkg |
| 21:01.24 | j-run | yes, exactly |
| 21:01.28 | j-run | I am |
| 21:01.36 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: it's also good to have no hairs on the place to be spanked |
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| 21:02.29 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: Not to worry, I'll prepare the parts in advance. |
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| 21:04.48 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: If you'd be my, shall we say, Debian sponsor, I could be your long lost NM. |
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| 21:05.19 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: which packages do you maintain? you know i'm NM too ;) |
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| 21:06.07 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: wanna see the double pony tails? |
| 21:06.18 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: actually I haven't even applied yet. ;-) |
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| 21:06.32 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: do it right now. show me your packages |
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| 21:07.03 | Seb | how do I search packages based on Tag: ? |
| 21:07.40 | Seb | like I want to find all packages in the archive that have the tag "made-of::lang:php" for instance |
| 21:07.57 | jammyflynn20 | did bill gates write linux ( didnt think so) |
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| 21:08.53 | jammyflynn20 | i wonder if bill gates has ever used linux |
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| 21:09.20 | tarzeau | jammyflynn20: why would it matter? |
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| 21:09.50 | sfullenwider | Where are the xservers kept in the filesystem? |
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| 21:09.58 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: I'm not sure if I should show them to the world yet. Most are binary only... and some do kinky stuff do other people's conffiles. |
| 21:10.02 | tarzeau | sfullenwider: which version? |
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| 21:10.05 | sfullenwider | xorg |
| 21:10.11 | Shadowcat | sfullenwider: if this is about xorg 7.0, read the topic |
| 21:10.13 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: show me. no source packages? |
| 21:10.17 | tarzeau | sfullenwider: which version? |
| 21:10.33 | tarzeau | Seb: i doubt all software is tagged yet. btw remember where to tag them? |
| 21:10.35 | sfullenwider | well, I d/led ATI's proprietary driver and need to know where to dump the resultant xserver |
| 21:10.43 | tarzeau | sfullenwider: #ati |
| 21:10.47 | Shadowcat | eww ati |
| 21:10.49 | Shadowcat | evil evil evil |
| 21:10.54 | Seb | tarzeau: nope, I don't, but even if not everything is tagged, my questions stands |
| 21:10.57 | sfullenwider | tnx |
| 21:10.58 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: no more than nvidia |
| 21:11.01 | Seb | question* |
| 21:11.08 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: nvidia actually works once in a while :P |
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| 21:11.11 | laurens_ | yeah |
| 21:11.12 | tarzeau | Seb: i don't know the answer |
| 21:11.17 | Seb | tarzeau: k :) |
| 21:11.22 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: true. i've also seen ati work... |
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| 21:11.34 | laurens_ | nvidia doesnt break power managent as badly on my laptop |
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| 21:11.38 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: just don't use the tutorial that you find when googling for fglrx debian ati |
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| 21:11.55 | Shadowcat | don't use? |
| 21:12.01 | Shadowcat | give me the url so that I can blacklist it |
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| 21:12.09 | j-run | my ati agp works just fine... glorious b/w on a 7" crt ;) |
| 21:12.10 | tarzeau | let me check if it's here |
| 21:12.11 | tarzeau | !ati |
| 21:12.11 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
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| 21:12.35 | Shadowcat | don't use that? |
| 21:12.36 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 21:12.39 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html that one is bad |
| 21:12.44 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: that one is good: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ |
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| 21:12.59 | Shadowcat | in other words |
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| 21:13.01 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: yes the debian faq wiki is bad too |
| 21:13.02 | Shadowcat | blacklist the first link |
| 21:13.03 | Shadowcat | gotcha |
| 21:13.04 | gnufan | Hehe -- shadowcat was right -- upgrading sid to xorg still isn't a good idea ;) |
| 21:13.10 | Sebbecking | Hi there... I have just directed the MX-Record of a domain to one of my root servers, and after that I installed a raw postfix. - What have I to do to make the whole thing secure? |
| 21:13.14 | stew | gnufan: what problems did you have? |
| 21:13.15 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: blacklist both but the one with good in the same line not |
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| 21:13.52 | gnufan | stew I can't install xserver-xorg :( |
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| 21:14.12 | Shadowcat | that's no surprise |
| 21:14.16 | Shadowcat | I told you it would fuck up |
| 21:14.28 | stew | gnufan: be more specific |
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| 21:14.48 | gnufan | the problem I have is the preconfigure script for xserver-xorg fails with error 64. I'm sure I've debugged problems with these before the good old fashioned "bash -x" way -- where does it unpack? |
| 21:15.15 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: yup, no source. this is an example: http://kosjenka.srce.hr/~jelly/squirrelmail-change-pass-cn_2.6-1_all.deb unfortunately the repository isn't open to the outside world... |
| 21:15.22 | gravity | gnufan: Dude, if you could debug that I'd owe you a beer |
| 21:15.28 | stew | gnufan: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.preinst |
| 21:15.36 | gravity | gnufan: I've seen the bug but I haven't been able to reproduce it yet due to time constraints |
| 21:15.56 | gnufan | shadowcat it looked really promising up to the point it installed the xserver ;) |
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| 21:16.11 | iezahel | hi all, is there someone familiar with anjuta ??? |
| 21:16.16 | gravity | Xorg 7 really is on the verge of being in pretty ok shape |
| 21:16.27 | gravity | That bug and a font one that's already patched is all that's left |
| 21:16.35 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 21:16.37 | Shadowcat | good to hear |
| 21:16.53 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: once you open it with source, feel free, i can check things |
| 21:16.58 | tarzeau | jelly-ho: and apply as NM! NOW |
| 21:17.38 | gnufan | stew hmm no xserver-xorg.preinst in there.. I have a postrm and list but no preinst |
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| 21:18.40 | minerale | I only have one computer and was trying to install debian (sarge) on the other partition, for some reason the network card was not recognised, how can I go about fixing it // I won't have connectivity at the time |
| 21:18.44 | iezahel | is there someone who knows about any problems with anjuta-encodings.c, cause my anjuta is crashing there |
| 21:18.55 | Shadowcat | minerale: what nic? |
| 21:18.58 | gnufan | stew no such file ought to give me 127 not 64 error code -- hmm |
| 21:19.16 | Shadowcat | gnufan: get your ass into #debian-devel :P |
| 21:19.21 | Shadowcat | we need you there :P |
| 21:19.22 | stew | gnufan: that's odd, unless it changed from 7.0.11 to 7.0.12, 7.0.11 definately had a xserver-org.preinst |
| 21:19.28 | stew | gnufan: lemme upgrade mine |
| 21:20.06 | minerale | shawn : The nic is Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Geigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 21:20.28 | minerale | Shadowcat: s/shawn/Shadowcat |
| 21:20.33 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 21:20.36 | Shadowcat | try etch |
| 21:20.42 | Shadowcat | that's a VERY recent ethernet controller |
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| 21:20.58 | dan2 | shogunx, ding ding ding |
| 21:21.14 | minerale | The nic came with a Gigabit motherboard |
| 21:21.18 | dan2 | abrotman, how are ya |
| 21:21.21 | dan2 | asg, hey there |
| 21:21.39 | Shadowcat | minerale: it's the new "standard" nic on most motherboards |
| 21:21.40 | stew | minerale: i don't recommend upgrading to testing just to get a newer kernel as Shadowcat does |
| 21:21.54 | tarzeau | !seen bob2 |
| 21:21.55 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 123d 14h 16m 37s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 21:22.02 | Shadowcat | he needs a newer kernel to get that nic recognized |
| 21:22.11 | tarzeau | what happened to bob2? |
| 21:22.17 | gravity | tarzeau: No one knows |
| 21:22.33 | stew | minerale: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 21:22.44 | streuner | he said, he had another job, but that was it |
| 21:23.10 | Shadowcat | stew: well or that |
| 21:23.17 | Shadowcat | I'd go with etch though |
| 21:23.20 | gnufan | stew it claims (dpkg-deb) I don't really need it -- should I install the dependencies manually - see if that works? |
| 21:23.25 | Shadowcat | it's got generally speaking newer software |
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| 21:23.57 | E-bola | I have a super weird network problem |
| 21:23.59 | dan2 | gravity, he probably went on sabbatical ;) |
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| 21:24.09 | ia1 | how does a developer get their apps into the debian repositories? |
| 21:24.13 | Shadowcat | but either way stew and I agree on one thing, a newer kernel is needed, which is a miracle |
| 21:24.14 | gravity | dan2: I hope so |
| 21:24.15 | gravity | I hope he's ok |
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| 21:24.18 | gravity | I worry about him |
| 21:24.36 | dan2 | gravity nobody's worried about me for my time being gone about 8 months ;) |
| 21:24.41 | E-bola | My debian box is dualhomed, 1 wan 1 lan. Both nic's work fine as the lan card. But when working as wan neither works properly. Only 1/50 or so packets get in/out |
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| 21:24.58 | gravity | dan2: I noticed you were gone but I figured you were just hanging out with Ubuntu or something |
| 21:24.58 | E-bola | i dont knwo what caused this weird behavior. The wan link works fine. tested it on 2 other boxes |
| 21:25.07 | streuner | gravity: not that unusual, see caphuso... |
| 21:25.15 | streuner | !seen caphuso |
| 21:25.15 | dpkg | caphuso <n=caphuso@p54819620.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 94d 9h 13m 21s ago, saying: 'nerdy2: (ok, we do use sftp, but not in the ftp-over-ssl sense)'. |
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| 21:25.44 | dan2 | gravity, nah, I had to go back to windows to go work on my trading, but now I've got colinux and windows running (colinux kicks ass) |
| 21:25.49 | gravity | Cool |
| 21:26.08 | dan2 | I've got real debian running under colinux (noemu) |
| 21:26.23 | gnufan | E-bola may the wrong cable -- do these nics automatically cope with the case where they don't have a crossover cable to the router? |
| 21:26.23 | E-bola | Can you track/check anywhere what packages ahve been installed/removed/upgraded? A sort of history function for packages? |
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| 21:26.39 | E-bola | gnufan: its the same cable ive always used |
| 21:26.50 | E-bola | and it works with 2 other nicks in the other servers |
| 21:27.23 | E-bola | only thing i can see changed is an apt-get upgrade i did yesterday |
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| 21:27.33 | E-bola | so im wondering if there is somewhere i can see what pakages i upgraded? |
| 21:27.37 | gnufan | E-bola dpkg has a log -- I think some of the other install tools log stuff but not all |
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| 21:27.52 | streuner | E-bola: /var/lib/dpkg/info via ls |
| 21:28.02 | PoundGrounder | did any of you guys see that optical transistor stuff on digg? |
| 21:28.06 | minerale | Shadowcat: I'm downloading the Yukon nic driver for linux... 137 mb :O |
| 21:28.19 | stoned | there a place here called Yukon |
| 21:28.23 | PoundGrounder | that's stuff's crazy |
| 21:28.24 | stoned | its full of rednecks |
| 21:28.28 | norbert_ | minerale: a 137mb driver? |
| 21:28.30 | E-bola | streuner: how can i use that? |
| 21:29.00 | Shadowcat | minerale: there is no 2.6 driver for that nic |
| 21:29.04 | Shadowcat | minerale: it's in the kernel |
| 21:29.07 | Shadowcat | just go install etch |
| 21:29.11 | Shadowcat | it'll save you a lot of trouble |
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| 21:29.28 | stew | !tell Shadowcat about enter |
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| 21:29.36 | stew | minerale: you are trying to install right? |
| 21:29.45 | norbert_ | !tell Norbert about enter |
| 21:29.46 | Shadowcat | wait, never mind, my fault |
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| 21:29.57 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
| 21:30.03 | stew | Shadowcat: stop doing that |
| 21:30.05 | streuner | E-bola: we told you, scroll up |
| 21:30.14 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
| 21:30.19 | stew | Shadowcat: stop |
| 21:30.23 | Shadowcat | stew: stop telling me how to use my enter key then |
| 21:30.28 | Shadowcat | you stop, I stop, it's that simple |
| 21:30.33 | stew | Shadowcat: stop using it in place of a comma |
| 21:30.42 | streuner | how about to use ignore? |
| 21:30.46 | E-bola | streuner: u pointed me to a dir which contains info on packages |
| 21:30.47 | PoundGrounder | !beat stew |
| 21:30.49 | gnufan | stew predepends 7.0.0-0ubuntu3 ?!? It is sid I tell you not Ubuntu ?! |
| 21:30.50 | streuner | less headaches... |
| 21:30.53 | PoundGrounder | asshole. |
| 21:30.55 | E-bola | but im looking for a history function to see what have changed... |
| 21:30.59 | Shadowcat | stew: that's NOT for you to decide |
| 21:30.59 | stew | PoundGrounder: stop |
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| 21:31.04 | gravity | gnufan: I left that in to allow people to crossgrade |
| 21:31.12 | gravity | gnufan: A lot of people were doing that, and it was no harm leaving it |
| 21:31.26 | gravity | gnufan: If there's a compelling need to require a Debian version above that, I'll change it of course. |
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| 21:31.40 | c00i90wn | Hi, I was wondering if someone can recommend me a utility like rsnapshot that's able to PUSH backups into a ftp |
| 21:31.48 | gravity | gnufan: But it was left in specifically to assist a certain class of users, and also as a thank you to Ubuntu for providing the packages that were the basis |
| 21:32.18 | Shadowcat | stew: and one more thing, telling me NOT to do something 40 times is worse than leaving it |
| 21:32.21 | norbert_ | Shodowcat: but the text from dpkg makes sense. Using enter scrolls everyone's screens - I'm currently using bitchx and it's really anoying |
| 21:32.38 | Shadowcat | because I grew up with people telling me to do things 40 times, and I learnt NOT to listen to it |
| 21:32.45 | gravity | Shadowcat stew Calm down please |
| 21:32.51 | Shadowcat | norbert_: he's been doing the same thing for several months |
| 21:32.57 | Shadowcat | and I ignored him the first two months |
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| 21:33.16 | norbert_ | is it so hard to just use ; instead of enter? |
| 21:33.19 | Shadowcat | if he can't deal with me typing short sentences when speaking to people certain times |
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| 21:33.24 | Shadowcat | then it's his problem, not mine |
| 21:33.38 | Shadowcat | it's not like I do it all the time anyway, in fact more times than not my lines are really long |
| 21:33.49 | Shadowcat | so again, STOP telling me how to use my keyboard |
| 21:33.50 | norbert_ | maybe it is his problem, but what's stoping you from using ; instead of enter if this will make him happier? |
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| 21:34.00 | Shadowcat | norbert_: exactly that |
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| 21:34.09 | Shadowcat | you tell me enough times not to do something, and I WILL ignore it |
| 21:34.10 | streuner | you have a problem, because he is quiet, and you are talking and talking about the same problem... |
| 21:34.15 | gravity | Shadowcat: Stop ranting please |
| 21:34.20 | gravity | Shadowcat: We get the point |
| 21:34.27 | streuner | its ok |
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| 21:35.11 | norbert_ | Shadowcat: as if telling you this 1 time worked - the reason it's being explained again is because you ignore other people's requests |
| 21:35.57 | Shadowcat | actually, he's the only one requesting it |
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| 21:36.12 | c00i90wn | no one? :( |
| 21:36.14 | norbert_ | I just did it as well, I'm using bitchx and all the text scrolling is very anoying |
| 21:36.15 | Shadowcat | and it's always been him for the past several months |
| 21:36.16 | gnufan | gravity hmm I have all the dependencies, and restart gdm, and urm no Xorg log.... I'll try startx but I think something vital is missing still - hohum |
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| 21:36.48 | gravity | gnufan: The x11-common error 64? Yeah, that's not a dependency error. I don't know where the error is yet |
| 21:37.26 | gravity | That's pretty much a top priority error right now. I seriously need to fix it |
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| 21:38.10 | gnufan | xserver-xorg error 64.... do you have a box with it on? Or is it a mystery to you? |
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| 21:38.26 | gravity | It's a mystery still |
| 21:38.27 | norbert_ | gravity: I'm about to install xorg to get my UniChrome chip to work; is there anything I should (not) do to prevent getting in trouble? (I'm just about ready with apt-get dist-upgrade to install xserver-xorg) |
| 21:38.30 | gravity | I need to set up a chroot and figure it out |
| 21:38.31 | streuner | gnufan: he already told you, scroll up |
| 21:38.47 | gravity | norbert_: I don't know. If you're going with unstable there may be issues |
| 21:38.56 | MarcoPau | just upgrading etch: /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Is it bugged or what? |
| 21:39.04 | stew | /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.postinst: line 918: [: too many arguments |
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| 21:39.54 | stew | and that line reads "if [ ! -L -e -d "/usr/X11R6/bin" ]; then" |
| 21:39.56 | gravity | stew: I think that fix is already uploaded |
| 21:39.59 | stew | ok |
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| 21:40.14 | gravity | Hrm... did I not upload it? |
| 21:40.25 | gravity | If not I'll do that ASAP |
| 21:40.33 | stew | SOURCE_VERSION=1:7.0.12 |
| 21:40.41 | sparr | how old is potato? |
| 21:40.41 | gravity | Nope, ok that needs a fix now |
| 21:40.48 | stew | sparr: /msg dpkg potato |
| 21:40.49 | Ronin | sparr: older then dirt ;) |
| 21:41.01 | gnufan | sparr it is on the debian website |
| 21:41.18 | stew | sparr: or /msg dpkg release history |
| 21:41.42 | norbert_ | okay, apt-get dist-upgrade is asking me "do you want to upgrade glibc now" - should I do this? |
| 21:42.06 | sparr | ok |
| 21:42.10 | sparr | im getting a package from potato |
| 21:42.14 | sparr | which i hadnt seen before |
| 21:42.17 | sparr | so i was curious :) |
| 21:42.22 | streuner | norbert_: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:42.23 | streuner | first |
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| 21:42.50 | norbert_ | streuner: okay |
| 21:42.54 | stew | norbert_: you are upgrading to etch? then yes, you want to upgrade glibc |
| 21:43.15 | norbert_ | stew: no, I'm going to testing |
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| 21:43.21 | stew | norbert_: etch is testing |
| 21:43.26 | norbert_ | oh okay ;-) |
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| 21:44.11 | Eulex | is it possible to make ext3 sync after every operation? |
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| 21:44.24 | stew | Eulex: yes, mount the volume with the sync option |
| 21:44.41 | Eulex | stew, ah, thank you :) |
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| 21:44.56 | gnufan | eulex surely the question should be is it sensible? |
| 21:44.59 | jack_Norway | hi I runed an apt-install for installing vnc and it went wrong.. what schould I do to manage to reinstall it? |
| 21:45.28 | Bud_Lite | This may sound a stupid question, but under Etch, which group controls access to CD/DVD burners (for writing, not reading) |
| 21:45.31 | stew | gnufan: it definately is in some cases, i use it always, for instance, with removeable media |
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| 21:46.04 | Eulex | gnufan, what? I'm trying to debug why enabling dri on this x300 causes a hard lock-up. I don't even get any log |
| 21:46.05 | stew | Bud_Lite: the cdrom group gives them readwrite access to the cdrom |
| 21:46.14 | Bud_Lite | stew: Thanks |
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| 21:47.48 | gnufan | gravity why recommends discover1 not discover ?! Not that I know a lot about these - but seems odd |
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| 21:48.06 | gravity | gnufan: They both should be available as possibilities |
| 21:48.15 | gravity | gnufan: Frankly it doesn't matter too much. |
| 21:48.26 | gravity | For the purposes of X either will suffice |
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| 21:49.25 | trueno | Hi! Anyone knows if it is possible (in KDE) to delete the folder /tmp/kde-"user" created when kde starts just after the wmanager but before kdesktop loads? |
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| 21:49.41 | MatBoy | Does someone know a good program that can search for a USB-stick with a encryption-key during the booting the system ? |
| 21:49.53 | MatBoy | -the |
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| 21:50.22 | norbert_ | hehe, the sid FAQ is one big disclaimer saying "install sid and you die" |
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| 21:50.51 | streuner | norbert_: its a FAQ with hints and warnings, some rules you should care about |
| 21:50.51 | tuxedup | i have a quick question about the amd64 port. I know it not officialy supported at present and that some apps are missing e.g. openoffice. I have read that it will be officially supported in the next stable release. Will this mean that all of the packages available for the 686/386 etc version will be available for AMD64? Im asking because I may be moving to an AMD64 system |
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| 21:51.07 | SmileyNix | hey guys.... strange question i know but how do i get my debian system upto date? |
| 21:51.15 | MatBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.27 | ajdlinux | trueno: why? |
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| 21:51.44 | norbert_ | SmileyNix: as root, type: # apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 21:51.45 | stew | tuxedup: according to the openoffice developers, porting openoffice to 64 bit will be a very large undertaking, its not just a matter of debian recompiling it for amd64 |
| 21:51.47 | Ronin | SmileyNix: depends what you mean up to date |
| 21:51.59 | hbrednek | When I tried to get my system up to date it told me I had a "broken package" and that I must fix that first. How does one go about finding which package is "broken"? |
| 21:52.00 | SmileyNix | norbert_: i did dist-upgrade..... |
| 21:52.10 | SmileyNix | have i done anything wrong? or should i just do apt-get upgrade now? |
| 21:52.13 | MatBoy | does someone know the boot-keys of MSI and ABIT ? |
| 21:52.14 | stew | hbrednek: try "apt-get -f install" |
| 21:52.15 | Bud_Lite | SmileyNix: You need to update first |
| 21:52.15 | streuner | norbert_: if you ever run sid and your libc6 is broken, you will remember the FAQ easily... |
| 21:52.26 | Bud_Lite | SmileyNix: apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:52.38 | ajdlinux | hbrednek: which packages? |
| 21:53.01 | tuxedup | So im wrong in assuming that ubuntu and suse have an AMD64 version of openoffice on there AMD64 offerings? |
| 21:53.24 | norbert_ | streuder: well, the funny part is that apt is now asking me whether I want to install the new glibc and your FAQ does not contain one word about this - so, I have no idea what to do |
| 21:53.25 | inc|freaky | if i want to format a partition to which windows and linux can read and write, which filesystem should i use? |
| 21:53.33 | MatBoy | FAT :) |
| 21:53.37 | MatBoy | or NTFS |
| 21:53.37 | trueno | ajdlinux, Kdesktop crashes the first time I boot the session, so i have to start it, log out and login again. And I guess I might fix it deleting a couple of files there (in /tmp/kde-"usr"/)) |
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| 21:53.44 | ajdlinux | inc|freaky: fat32 would be a great choice |
| 21:54.03 | Ronin | inc|freaky: fat32, its possible to write to ntfs but highly not recommended |
| 21:54.04 | SmileyNix | hum it all seems updated now, cheers guys :] |
| 21:54.07 | ajdlinux | trueno: you mean crashes every time you boot? |
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| 21:54.11 | norbert_ | streuder: what I do know, is that I'm already doomed, since I've upgraded to sid ;-) |
| 21:54.12 | jack_Norway | hi I runed an apt-install for installing vnc and it went wrong.. what schould I do to manage to reinstall it? |
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| 21:54.16 | MatBoy | Does someone uses Windows in Linux with Vmware ? |
| 21:54.24 | Dwonis | !smite the capacitor plague |
| 21:54.25 | stew | tuxedup: i believe so. you might ask #debian-oo or #openoffice.org |
| 21:54.26 | ajdlinux | MatBoy: that's easy |
| 21:54.28 | streuner | norbert_: no, there can't be an FAQ which can mention everything about sid... |
| 21:54.31 | jelly-ho | inc|freaky: fat32 works. ext3/ext2 with some free (as in beer, I think) 3rd part drivers. |
| 21:54.38 | tuvwx | MatBoy, try qemu |
| 21:54.53 | trueno | ajdlinux, yes, the first time, then evrything is ok |
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| 21:54.57 | ajdlinux | inc|freaky: someone did make an IFS module (GPL) for NT+XP |
| 21:55.01 | stew | jack_Norway: apt-get install --reinstall packagename ; or maybe dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 21:55.01 | MatBoy | ajdlinux, yes it is, but are all the USB-hubs the same in use as an only windows-box ? |
| 21:55.11 | Dwonis | !tell MatBoy about anyone |
| 21:55.12 | jelly-ho | MatBoy: re Win under VMware, yes. XP. |
| 21:55.20 | ajdlinux | trueno: the kde-user folder is in use |
| 21:55.24 | MatBoy | tuvwx thnx ! |
| 21:55.42 | MatBoy | jelly-ho Thanks man ! |
| 21:55.46 | MatBoy | that's what I need :D |
| 21:55.47 | hbrednek | adjlinux: apt-get -f install worked. The package it complained about was 'superwaba' |
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| 21:56.12 | ajdlinux | trueno: you could try immediately ctrl+alt+f1 to a terminal and have a look there |
| 21:56.16 | ajdlinux | why does it crash? |
| 21:56.45 | inc|freaky | ajdlinux: what is an IFS module? |
| 21:56.53 | trueno | ajdlinux, yes, but if I delete the ksycoca and then type kdesktop & it works |
| 21:57.13 | trueno | ajdlinux, weird! |
| 21:57.13 | ajdlinux | inc|freaky: IFS is an Installable File System, essentially an FS kernel module for the NT systems |
| 21:57.15 | E-bola | I have a problem with my linux installation. After changing mobtherboard. Suddenly the wan connectivity doesnt work. Its a dual homed box. And i can get lan side working on either nic. But the wan side doesnt work. Or well when u ping it either from in->out or out->in it looses 99% of packages |
| 21:57.16 | jelly-ho | MatBoy: the new VMware GSX betas work nicely on my 2.6.15-with-lotsa-patches kernel desktop. |
| 21:57.17 | inc|freaky | jelly: drivers for windows? |
| 21:57.19 | E-bola | Have anybody else seen this sort of behavior? |
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| 21:57.41 | trueno | ajdlinux, i am new to kde... (wmaker user) |
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| 21:57.46 | jelly-ho | inc|freaky: google for ext3 on windowsor something like that, wasn't too hard to find. |
| 21:57.47 | ajdlinux | trueno: hmmm.....is everything being deleted correctly on startup? |
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| 21:58.02 | inc|freaky | k, thx |
| 21:58.02 | ajdlinux | trueno: btw this doesnt usually happen |
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| 21:58.10 | norbert_ | x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_all.deb is fscking up apt |
| 21:58.18 | trueno | ajdlinux, what should be deleted during startup???? |
| 21:58.22 | pilgrim | Hi. I've corrupted my /etc/init.d/apache2 file. Where can I get a fresh copy? |
| 21:58.22 | stew | norbert_: be more specific |
| 21:58.34 | ajdlinux | pilgrim: from the apache2 package |
| 21:58.46 | Dwonis | dpkg, packet is also something entirely different from a package |
| 21:58.46 | dpkg | okay, Dwonis |
| 21:58.51 | pilgrim | ajdlinux, forgive me, but where do I get that? |
| 21:58.53 | trueno | ajdlinux, i am using 3.5.2-1 |
| 21:58.56 | ajdlinux | p.d.o |
| 21:58.59 | minerale | How do I find out what devide to mount if I want to mount a USB drive? |
| 21:59.05 | minerale | devide/device |
| 21:59.07 | norbert_ | stew: is there a way to turn on the mouse in the console, so I can copy and paste the error message? |
| 21:59.20 | jelly-ho | inc|freaky: specifically, I use a driver from http://www.fs-driver.org/ with my usb ext3-formatted drive. |
| 21:59.32 | streuner | minerale: you mount USB devices via scsi-emulation |
| 21:59.33 | stew | pilgrim: its not in the apache2 package but the apache2-common package, you can apt-get install --reinstall apache2-common, if its missing you might need confmiss /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:59.35 | ajdlinux | trueno: i'm using 3.5.0, not much difference |
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| 21:59.45 | liable_ | minerale: see what dmesg said about it |
| 21:59.46 | streuner | minerale: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 21:59.53 | ajdlinux | pilgrim: sorry, apache2-common |
| 21:59.56 | gravity | gnufan: Hey... you're still getting that error returning 64, right? Would you try out the current package I want to upload? |
| 22:00.01 | norbert_ | stew: "trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xfree86-common" |
| 22:00.08 | stew | norbert_: install gpm ; or you can use w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; when you hit enter in the text box, w3m will start an external editor |
| 22:00.11 | gnufan | gravity sure |
| 22:00.16 | streuner | !xfree->xorg |
| 22:00.18 | stew | norbert_: /msg dpkg x11-common conflict |
| 22:00.22 | Dwonis | dpkg, packet is a collection of information. It's often used to refer to the chunks of information sent over computer networks. It's also not a "package", which is something else entirely. |
| 22:00.22 | dpkg | ...but packet is already something else... |
| 22:00.32 | norbert_ | stew: thanks |
| 22:00.35 | pilgrim | stew, ajdlinux I don't want to reinstall the whole apache2-common, can I download it and pick it apart? |
| 22:00.45 | ajdlinux | pilgrim: yes |
| 22:00.50 | gnufan | gravity I just removed the xserver-xorg stuff from the info directory -- when is it recreated? |
| 22:01.06 | ajdlinux | pilgrim: donwload it from p.d.o and manually extract it - instructions available through google |
| 22:01.07 | stew | pilgrim: why wouldn't you want to just reinstall it? |
| 22:01.28 | gravity | gnufan: It should be recreated when you install these packages... one second |
| 22:01.35 | gravity | gnufan: You're on x86, right? |
| 22:01.42 | ajdlinux | pilgrim: apache2-common shouldn't change anyway, just reinstall :) |
| 22:01.44 | pilgrim | stew, I'm trying to get apache2 to run on a root jail. |
| 22:02.11 | pilgrim | hmmm... |
| 22:02.17 | ajdlinux | why? |
| 22:02.27 | stew | pilgrim: the deb is probably in /var/cache/apt/archives ; you can extract files from it with dpkg -x |
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| 22:02.32 | norbert_ | stew: dpkg tells me to run an apt command, but this one returns only a list with unmet dependencies... |
| 22:02.34 | pilgrim | ajdlinux, why root jail? To add a level of security mgt. |
| 22:02.55 | ajdlinux | pilgrim: by root jail, are you meaning some sort of chroot? |
| 22:03.03 | pilgrim | ajdlinux, exactly. |
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| 22:03.13 | ajdlinux | pilgrim: ok, gotcha |
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| 22:03.24 | Rugmonster | hello all |
| 22:03.24 | blu023 | Welcome to #debian |
| 22:03.24 | stew | norbert_: give me an example |
| 22:03.50 | trueno | ajdlinux, the thing is that i am testing a live distro, and this is the -hopefully- final issue (i think a live distro is no point here) |
| 22:03.53 | norbert_ | stew: xutils: Depends: xfree86-common (> 4.3) |
| 22:03.54 | Dwonis | pilgrim: a "jail" is something special in *BSD (it does more than just chroot), which is probably why ajdlinux was asking |
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| 22:04.09 | Rugmonster | Has anyone gotten the fglrx drivers working with the new X.org 7.0 in unstable? |
| 22:04.17 | ajdlinux | trueno: are you basing it on anything? |
| 22:04.25 | pilgrim | Dwonis, is that accessible in debian? What are pros of that? |
| 22:04.25 | Dwonis | !tell Rugmonster about anyone |
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| 22:04.56 | Dwonis | pilgrim: I don't think BSD-style jails are available in Linux, but you can apparently get something similar with vservers or SELinux |
| 22:05.02 | gnufan | gravity does have a bespoke kernel --urm let me check that... probably doesn't matter |
| 22:05.03 | Dwonis | pilgrim: I haven't tried it, though |
| 22:05.16 | trueno | ajdlinux, on debian+knoppix+my own stuff, but i am almost sure that this issue is more debian-related than knoppix-related |
| 22:05.17 | norbert_ | stew: that is in fact the last line before "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or ... |
| 22:05.19 | Rugmonster | I'm having a hard time getting xinerama going with X.org 7.0. I can get the dual displays up, but the orientation is wrong and only the mouse travels to the other display. |
| 22:05.23 | pilgrim | Dwonis, cool. thanks. |
| 22:05.35 | ajdlinux | trueno: does kdesktop give an error when it crashes? |
| 22:05.45 | gravity | gnufan: No, it shouldn't matter. Not for thsi stuff |
| 22:05.46 | stew | norbert_: ok, hmm seems the situation has changed some, try: apt-get install -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" x11-common xfree86-common |
| 22:05.47 | ajdlinux | also how did you update it? |
| 22:05.47 | norbert_ | stew: you may want to know I just installed sarge from scratch |
| 22:06.06 | trueno | ajdlinux, i got it from .xsession-errors... |
| 22:06.11 | ajdlinux | ok |
| 22:06.31 | ajdlinux | in your live master, is there anything stuck in /tmp |
| 22:07.15 | stew | Rugmonster: does "xdpyinfo | grep XINERAMA" return a match? |
| 22:07.21 | Dwonis | Rugmonster, when you say "only the mouse travels to the other display", do you mean that you can't move windows across screens? |
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| 22:07.51 | stew | Rugmonster: when you say "orientation is wrong" do you mean the monitors are backwards, left to right? |
| 22:07.51 | Rugmonster | Dwonis: I can't move windows to the second display |
| 22:08.07 | stew | Rugmonster: sounds like you aren't running xinerama then |
| 22:08.13 | Rugmonster | stew: yes, tried the "Screen0" RightOf "Screen1" and reversed |
| 22:08.14 | robin_sz | then you dont have xinerama |
| 22:08.26 | robin_sz | thats the diff between dual displays |
| 22:08.30 | robin_sz | and xinerama |
| 22:08.31 | stew | Rugmonster: what about the "xdpyinfo | grep XINERAMA"? |
| 22:08.37 | Rugmonster | stew: yes, I get it |
| 22:08.42 | Dwonis | Rugmonster: Do you have Option "Xinerama" "on" |
| 22:08.43 | Dwonis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.52 | Rugmonster | Yes |
| 22:09.00 | robin_sz | doesnt startx --xinerama do it also? |
| 22:09.04 | norbert_ | stew: that command returns the same output as the command issued by "dpkg"(from #debian) |
| 22:09.05 | Dwonis | Rugmonster: do what stew says, then |
| 22:09.06 | trueno | ajdlinux, kdesktop error- couldn't create slave, io-slave error (i am not copying literaly) |
| 22:09.11 | trueno | ajdlinux, kdesktop error- couldn't create slave, io-slave error (i am not copying literally) |
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| 22:09.26 | ajdlinux | so tried apt-get check on your master? |
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| 22:09.55 | pilgrim | ajdlinux, thanks for your help. |
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| 22:10.02 | pilgrim | stew, thanks for your help, too. |
| 22:10.17 | ajdlinux | pilgrim: of course |
| 22:10.43 | Rugmonster | be back in a second. Trying something |
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| 22:11.07 | gnufan | hmm apt-get update always gets the Release.gpg from the UK ftp server -- odd |
| 22:11.40 | bengrubb | anyone here besides on #VHCS (no one is on) that can help me with a problem i am havin on the install of vhcs |
| 22:11.59 | Rugmonster | stew: what it looks like is it's cloning the desktop, but the mouse travels across the two displays |
| 22:12.09 | norbert_ | !tell norbert_ DPkg::Options |
| 22:12.22 | norbert_ | !tell norbert_ force overwrite |
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| 22:12.46 | gravity | gnufan: http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/modular/debian/ |
| 22:13.01 | trueno | ajdlinux, apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a where both ok. I haven't tried apt-get check though |
| 22:13.02 | stew | gnufan: what makes you say that about Release.gpg? |
| 22:13.08 | gravity | gnufan: The xserver-xorg and x11-common debs should be sufficient. If you dpkg -i x11-common first and then xserver-xorg, that'd be awesome |
| 22:13.23 | stew | Rugmonster: yeah that sounds like two screens, not xinerama for some reason. what driver are you using? |
| 22:13.32 | Rugmonster | stew: ati |
| 22:13.35 | ajdlinux | trueno: ldconfig and all been done? remastered exactly how knoppix says? |
| 22:13.51 | Roey | hi |
| 22:13.56 | ajdlinux | hi |
| 22:14.06 | trueno | ajdlinux, yes, exactly like they say |
| 22:14.11 | bengrubb | I installed everything needed and followed instructions on http://www.howtoforge.com/vhcs_debian_sarge_setup but i get to one line where it says type this in "cd /tmp/vhcs2*" but it doesn't exist.. |
| 22:14.13 | Roey | why is it that when I mount my SD card I get this: mount: /dev/sdc is not a valid block device |
| 22:14.14 | Roey | ? |
| 22:14.21 | trueno | ajdlinux, what should I do with ldconfig? |
| 22:14.25 | ajdlinux | trueno: very weird problem |
| 22:14.34 | Rugmonster | stew: you want me to paste my xorg.conf to pastebin or something? |
| 22:14.40 | Rugmonster | stew: would you mind looking at it? |
| 22:14.43 | ajdlinux | you'd probably need to try running it in a chroot |
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| 22:15.11 | stew | Rugmonster: sure, paste that and the log from /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:15.14 | trueno | ajdlinux, could it be due to the fack that i am running the tests from qemu, directly from the iso? |
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| 22:15.36 | ajdlinux | trueno: try burning it and running from a real system, qemu has some quirks |
| 22:16.18 | stew | norbert_: are you still having the same problem? |
| 22:16.35 | trueno | ajdlinux, I'll do as you say and come back once I'm done |
| 22:16.43 | alec | Roey: don't you want /dev/sdc1? |
| 22:16.47 | ajdlinux | trueno: ok |
| 22:16.57 | trueno | ajdlinux, thanks a lot... although I am not very confident.. |
| 22:17.05 | norbert_ | stew: I may have found a command to fix the problem, one moment... |
| 22:17.06 | trueno | ajdlinux, bye! |
| 22:17.07 | gnufan | gravity seems lynx understands deb files -- afraid the second of those gives me an "pre-installation script returned error exit status 64" |
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| 22:17.34 | gnufan | gravity that was 7.0.13 right ? |
| 22:17.35 | Rugmonster | stew: another odd developement. Before the upgrade to xorg 7.0, I was running dual head fine with the fglrx drivers. Firefox was typically on the second display. I just opened it and it must have opened over there. I moved the mouse to that display and clicked and drug Firefox back from the second display. I just didn't see the window there. |
| 22:17.46 | liable_ | bengrubb: is there a /tmp dir within the vhcs dir? |
| 22:18.02 | norbert_ | stew: no, that didn't work (I tried running dist-upgrade again with force-overwrite and -f) |
| 22:18.23 | stew | norbert_: what is the error you are getting now? |
| 22:18.31 | norbert_ | stew: that command returns the same output as the command issued by "dpkg"(from #debian) |
| 22:18.41 | Rugmonster | stew: if v4l needed? |
| 22:18.53 | norbert_ | stew: by "that command" I'm refering to your last command with --force-overwrite |
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| 22:19.05 | max2 | hello!! |
| 22:19.05 | blu023 | Welcome to #debian |
| 22:19.13 | max2 | thanks!! |
| 22:19.14 | ajdlinux | hello |
| 22:19.15 | blu023 | Welcome to #debian |
| 22:19.25 | ajdlinux | i was saying hi to max2 |
| 22:19.26 | deadcat | gnufan: are you talking about libglu1-xorg being 7.0.13? |
| 22:19.40 | max2 | hi ajdlinux :) |
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| 22:19.47 | lnc | what is SDL? |
| 22:19.49 | stew | norbert_: what error are you getting? you shouldn't be getting "foo is trying to overwrite a file that is also in bar" are you getting "failed dependencies"? |
| 22:19.56 | lnc | and what is it for? |
| 22:20.00 | deadcat | !sdl |
| 22:20.00 | dpkg | sdl is, like, the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl |
| 22:20.00 | stew | Rugmonster: wait, are you using fglrx now or ati? |
| 22:20.01 | gnufan | deadcat no gravity got me to install some stuff |
| 22:20.06 | ajdlinux | lnc: sdl is a multimedia library usually for games |
| 22:20.11 | lnc | ic |
| 22:20.12 | norbert_ | stew: that is in fact the last line before "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or ... |
| 22:20.35 | stew | norbert_: run the apt-get -f install command with the force-depends option |
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| 22:21.33 | gravity | gnufan: No luck? |
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| 22:21.36 | max2 | i am looking for a bootable linux or other freeware to scan ntfs for virus etc... had no luck with google... can anybody help me out |
| 22:21.49 | gravity | Damn it |
| 22:21.49 | norbert_ | stew: you mean: apt-get -f install -o DPkg::Options::="--force-depends" ? |
| 22:21.54 | Roey | alec: lemme check-- |
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| 22:22.06 | gravity | So... pre-installation... why would that error out |
| 22:22.22 | stew | norbert_: yes |
| 22:22.27 | Roey | alec: mount: /dev/sdc1 is not a valid block device |
| 22:22.40 | Roey | hey stew |
| 22:22.48 | gravity | gnufan: What version of xserver-xorg do you currently have installed? |
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| 22:23.03 | norbert_ | stew: that returns "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_all.deb |
| 22:23.04 | YogSothoth | Hi! |
| 22:23.08 | max2 | hi |
| 22:23.10 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 22:23.23 | Rugmonster | stew: I'm using ati now |
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| 22:23.48 | stew | norbert_: but it doesn't say what the errors were? |
| 22:23.53 | gravity | God, I so don't have any more time tonight to fix this stuff |
| 22:24.13 | norbert_ | stew: the same error I started with: |
| 22:24.18 | YogSothoth | I've just been installed a fresh new 200G hard drive in my remote Debian server. Now how can I format it to a unique ext3 partition and mount it as /home in my system? |
| 22:24.24 | norbert_ | stew: "trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xfree86-common" |
| 22:24.25 | Rugmonster | stew: here's the xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/663890 |
| 22:24.27 | gnufan | gravity dpkg -l shows 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 |
| 22:24.34 | ajdlinux | YogSothoth: just use d-i |
| 22:24.38 | gravity | hrm, ok |
| 22:24.47 | ajdlinux | oh yeah its remote, sorry |
| 22:24.53 | YogSothoth | ajdlinux: what's d-i ? |
| 22:25.05 | ajdlinux | debian-installer |
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| 22:25.24 | ajdlinux | but you said it was remote |
| 22:25.30 | Rugmonster | stew: the Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/663891 |
| 22:25.30 | YogSothoth | yes it's remote |
| 22:25.31 | gnufan | gravity it is listed "ic" -- did I get the wrong command? |
| 22:25.33 | liable_ | YogSothoth: what do you mean by unique? |
| 22:25.54 | gravity | gnufan: I don't think so... |
| 22:26.01 | ajdlinux | YogSothoth: if you don't have physical access to it ... |
| 22:26.10 | gravity | gnufan: x11-common installs fine, right? You have 7.0.13? |
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| 22:26.18 | ajdlinux | YogSothoth: generally you can only format drives not in use |
| 22:26.29 | YogSothoth | liable_ I mean that I just want one partition (ext3) on this new disk: I already have on scsi disk for my system and I just want to use this new one for /home |
| 22:26.37 | ajdlinux | so you could ssh into it |
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| 22:26.41 | YogSothoth | ajdlinux: yes it is not in use |
| 22:26.41 | ajdlinux | then run cfdisk |
| 22:26.50 | ajdlinux | YogSothoth - that's ok |
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| 22:26.55 | YogSothoth | ajdlinux: it has just been plugged in and the server rebooted |
| 22:27.05 | ajdlinux | that's fine |
| 22:27.05 | YogSothoth | cfdisk? ok! |
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| 22:27.17 | liable_ | YogSothoth: so why not just run fdisk/cfdisk on it, make a file system and mount it? |
| 22:27.25 | ajdlinux | ssh your.remote.server.com |
| 22:27.28 | zamaliphe | hi all |
| 22:27.28 | ajdlinux | <password> |
| 22:27.33 | gnufan | gravity yes x11-common went in fine |
| 22:27.39 | ajdlinux | # cfdisk /dev/*d* |
| 22:27.43 | ajdlinux | and edit |
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| 22:27.45 | ajdlinux | logout |
| 22:27.47 | gravity | gar |
| 22:27.47 | ajdlinux | done |
| 22:27.51 | lnc | ./d2x-xl: relocation error: ./d2x-xl: symbol regexec, version GLIBC_2.3.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 22:27.54 | lnc | what is this? |
| 22:27.55 | gnufan | gravity I never had trouble with x11-common always xserver-xorg |
| 22:27.58 | lnc | i was trying to play this game |
| 22:28.04 | gravity | gnufan: Ok, that's good at least. This is a genuine new bug then. |
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| 22:28.26 | stew | Rugmonster: hmm, i don't see what the problem is |
| 22:28.27 | gravity | gnufan: What I'll do over the next few days is add some better error reporting to the script and maybe try to reproduce the bug locally |
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| 22:28.39 | gravity | gnufan: Thanks a lot for your help. It's been very helpful |
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| 22:29.03 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.10 | Rugmonster | stew: me either. I'll just suck it up until either ATI fixes their drivers or I get my new card in on Wednesday. The new one is NVidia. You know if their drivers work with 7.0 yet? |
| 22:29.15 | YogSothoth | ajdlinux: it says: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive. It's an IDE disk, and the only one, so I guessed it's hda1. How can I know? |
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| 22:29.26 | ajdlinux | Red_Cloud: i would guess that |
| 22:29.26 | stew | Rugmonster: i don't know anything about non-free drivers |
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| 22:29.36 | ajdlinux | YogSothoth: which channel? |
| 22:29.37 | Dwonis | Real men have --force-overwrite in their apt.conf ;) |
| 22:29.49 | SirKillalot | can I edit the dpkg-divert list by hand? |
| 22:29.49 | Rugmonster | stew: well thanks for looking. I appreciate it |
| 22:29.50 | ajdlinux | YogSothoth: i mean which channel is the disk on |
| 22:29.54 | inc|freaky | hm, i tried formating my ntfs partition to fat32 with qtparted, now nothing works anymore i cant mount the partition etc. |
| 22:30.01 | SirKillalot | I have an error in it which prevents me from installing new packages |
| 22:30.08 | inc|freaky | it says vfat is the wrong fstype, and ntfs, too |
| 22:30.11 | inc|freaky | what should i do? |
| 22:30.13 | liable_ | YogSothoth: hda1 is a partition not a disk. hda is a disk. |
| 22:30.14 | SirKillalot | because there is a file which has multiple deverts and therefore I cannot remove it |
| 22:30.25 | ajdlinux | inc|freaky: tried changing the partition type in fdisk? |
| 22:30.30 | norbert_ | stew? |
| 22:30.33 | inc|freaky | no, ill try, thx ;D |
| 22:30.34 | YogSothoth | liable_: Tried hda, same error |
| 22:30.40 | ajdlinux | inc|freaky: because that needs to be changed then it can be reformatted |
| 22:30.41 | Red_Cloud | ajdlinux, how would I create the md5 encryption before it is inserted? |
| 22:30.46 | d4t2iLL4 | hi guys, i have a very funny problem, i've played around with the hosts file and sicne then i can not ssh to my server from calling the local ip, but i can access it from the FQDN |
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| 22:30.48 | SirKillalot | anyone? please |
| 22:30.52 | ajdlinux | md5sum would work i guess |
| 22:31.26 | inc|freaky | should i use LBA or not for fat32? |
| 22:31.41 | ajdlinux | inc|freaky: yes |
| 22:31.44 | inc|freaky | j |
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| 22:31.46 | inc|freaky | k |
| 22:31.56 | zamaliphe | i have copille kde from the surce but what prefix i shold i use to install it on debian? |
| 22:32.13 | Dwonis | SirKillalot: /var/lib/dpkg/diversions, but be _careful_... that file's not meant to be edited |
| 22:32.18 | abrotman | zamaliphe: ask #kde |
| 22:32.21 | ajdlinux | zamaliphe: /usr/local |
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| 22:32.27 | Red_Cloud | ajdlinux, I am rather slow. Should i enter my password in command line like so: jumpingjack md5sum |
| 22:32.34 | Glanzmann | Hello; I deleted a file, but a programm has it still open. |
| 22:32.34 | blu023 | Welcome to #debian |
| 22:32.39 | Glanzmann | How can I retrieve the data? |
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| 22:32.46 | ajdlinux | red_cloud: other way |
| 22:32.47 | abrotman | Glanzmann: save it anew? |
| 22:33.03 | Dwonis | Glanzmann: you might be able to see it via /proc/pid_of_the_process/fd/ |
| 22:33.11 | Red_Cloud | ajdlinux you mean: md5sum jumpingjack |
| 22:33.16 | Dwonis | Glanzmann: and cat it to somewhere |
| 22:33.22 | Kerr | hmm normality... isn't it supposed to be sunday? |
| 22:33.23 | j-run | red: command <argument> |
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| 22:33.33 | ajdlinux | red cloud: yeah |
| 22:33.37 | Glanzmann | lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Apr 17 00:33 14 -> /home/sithglan/work/parallels-vm/winxp/winxp.hdd (deleted) |
| 22:33.40 | Glanzmann | (mini) [/proc/3654/fd] cp 14 /var/tmp/ |
| 22:33.44 | Glanzmann | it works .... :-) |
| 22:33.44 | inc|freaky | its monday here now ;D |
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| 22:33.51 | Glanzmann | I did a less and it works. I can't believe it. |
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| 22:34.02 | Red_Cloud | ajdlinux, I guess that you know that I am now going to have to kill you because you know my password? |
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| 22:34.19 | Glanzmann | Thanks |
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| 22:34.21 | Glanzmann | I am off. |
| 22:34.21 | ajdlinux | no not really, its only a grub password |
| 22:34.25 | Red_Cloud | ajdlinux, a little humor there! |
| 22:34.30 | j-run | red: you seem stupid, so I guess that really was your actual password ;) |
| 22:34.32 | ajdlinux | i know |
| 22:34.38 | alec | Roey: run 'dmsg' and see which block device it's being assigned to? |
| 22:34.43 | Dwonis | !jumpingjack |
| 22:34.44 | woodland | how do i find about my distribution |
| 22:34.52 | abrotman | woodland: find what out? |
| 22:34.56 | Red_Cloud | j-run, stupid to the extreme. No aires here! |
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| 22:35.04 | Dwonis | !dumbsmite Red_Cloud |
| 22:35.19 | woodland | abrotman: whether its sarge , woody, what kernel etc ? |
| 22:35.25 | j-run | is it possible to retreive a dmesg output after a kernel panic? |
| 22:35.35 | Fraze | Hola. I"m using sarge, and kde 3.3, I want to update to the newest kde (i think it's 3.5) how can i do that? |
| 22:35.43 | abrotman | !version |
| 22:35.43 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 22:35.47 | ajdlinux | j-run: you might be able to use sysrq, thats all |
| 22:35.49 | deadcat | Fraze: unlikely |
| 22:35.56 | ajdlinux | Fraze: backports |
| 22:35.56 | Red_Cloud | ajdlinux, thanks for your help |
| 22:35.57 | norbert_ | stew: this error has no hits on Google, nor in the Debian Bug reports; maybe it's very new? |
| 22:36.27 | Fraze | And how to do that?.. |
| 22:36.36 | ajdlinux | Fraze: http://www.backports.org |
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| 22:36.42 | ajdlinux | I'm assuming you use sarge right? |
| 22:36.49 | Dwonis | wow... apt-get -t unstable install xorg really hoses stuff... and I even have --force-overwrite |
| 22:36.57 | ajdlinux | yes |
| 22:37.02 | Shadowcat | Dwonis: obviously |
| 22:37.04 | lnc | !awk |
| 22:37.04 | dpkg | methinks awk is a pattern scanning and text processing language invented by Aho, Weinberger and Kernighan. or awk! awk! awk! I'm a bird, or help! I can't grep my awk!, or see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt for nifty oneliners |
| 22:37.04 | Fraze | thanks |
| 22:37.11 | Shadowcat | Xorg 7.0 is horribly broken |
| 22:37.20 | abrotman | for some people :) |
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| 22:37.24 | ajdlinux | just read d-devel for that :) |
| 22:37.39 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: works fine here |
| 22:37.40 | woodland | abrotman: thanx |
| 22:37.47 | alec | Shadowcat: works fine here, too |
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| 22:38.18 | Dwonis | I imagine it'll work if I ever figure out the dependency puzzle |
| 22:38.32 | norbert_ | stew: wait, I did find it on Debian Bug tracker |
| 22:38.42 | woodland | what is most basic sound driver in debian |
| 22:38.42 | Dwonis | in any case, I think I'll revert to etch's version |
| 22:38.52 | abrotman | there is OSS or ALSA |
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| 22:39.03 | alec | Dwonis: I had problems before I installed 'xkb-data' or something like that |
| 22:39.11 | avar | Why would XMMS not be playing certain mp3 files? Gentoo needed some package to decode some of them, is there something like that for debian? |
| 22:39.17 | YogSothoth | I know I have a new IDE disk but I don't know what device it is. How can I find it? |
| 22:39.22 | woodland | abrotman: i think i have OSS, since i heard alsa is more advanced |
| 22:39.24 | alec | YogSothoth: dmseg |
| 22:39.25 | Dwonis | alec: oh, I'm not even that far. I got as far as installing x11-common, but it was complaining about an xfs-xtt dependency |
| 22:39.31 | Shadowcat | alec: ok, it's horribly broken by default, happy? :P |
| 22:39.31 | YogSothoth | alec thanks |
| 22:39.35 | j-run | YogSothoth: is it ide or scsi? |
| 22:39.38 | alec | Shadowcat: ;) |
| 22:39.41 | abrotman | woodland: ok .. and? |
| 22:39.44 | jelly-ho | j-run: consider running a serial console if you want to save that output if/when it panics again. |
| 22:39.59 | j-run | jelly-ho: good idea |
| 22:40.07 | alec | YogSothoth: and by dmseg I mean 'dmesg' |
| 22:40.14 | sticky | dpkg-reconfigure is the way to reconfigure a package via apt, correct? |
| 22:40.27 | woodland | abrotman: i want to install alsa, so should i apt-cache search alsa ? |
| 22:40.39 | alec | YogSothoth: it'll start with 'hd' |
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| 22:40.43 | ajdlinux | sticky: i think so |
| 22:40.43 | deadcat | woodland: what kernel you using? |
| 22:40.43 | abrotman | woodland: what kernel are you running ? |
| 22:40.46 | norbert_ | stew: the solution is: dpkg --force-depends --remove xfree86-common ! |
| 22:40.56 | woodland | abrotman: 2.4.27 |
| 22:41.02 | abrotman | woodland: what CPU do you have? |
| 22:41.05 | woodland | deadcat: 2.4.27 |
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| 22:41.21 | woodland | abrotman: i have compaq presario R 3000 |
| 22:41.29 | abrotman | what CPU is in it? |
| 22:41.29 | deadcat | woodland: 2.6 kernels have alsa driver |
| 22:41.33 | rotem | is it possible to test video ram? |
| 22:41.36 | trueno | ajdlinux: It worked well!!! :-))) |
| 22:41.44 | Shadowcat | rotem: not that I know of |
| 22:41.44 | abrotman | i have no idea what a compaq presario is |
| 22:41.44 | norbert_ | question!: can someone add to "/msg dpkg x11-common conflict" the following line: "try: dpkg --force-depends --remove xfree86-common" ? |
| 22:41.48 | Shadowcat | but then again, I could be wrong |
| 22:41.56 | woodland | abrotman: i have laptop |
| 22:42.04 | rotem | Shadowcat, thx any1 else? |
| 22:42.05 | abrotman | woodland: WHAT CPU? |
| 22:42.06 | Shadowcat | norbert_: it's a problem for unstable, that'll probably be solved after easter |
| 22:42.19 | Red_Cloud | ajdlinux, md5sum was no cigar. Any other suggestions? |
| 22:42.21 | abrotman | !incoming |
| 22:42.22 | dpkg | [incoming] to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
| 22:42.22 | alec | woodland: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 22:42.35 | woodland | abrotman: i have amd athlon xp-m |
| 22:42.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:42.39 | ajdlinux | Red_cloud: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub |
| 22:42.47 | abrotman | woodland: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 22:43.15 | YogSothoth | alec: found in dmesg: hdd: Maxtor 6Y200P0, ATA DISK drive .. thanks! |
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| 22:44.02 | j-run | Red_Cloud: /sbin/grub-md5-crypt |
| 22:44.14 | woodland | abrotman: here's the output of the command http://pastebin.com/663933 |
| 22:44.57 | j-run | Red_Cloud: Read 4.2.2.1 here: http://www.centos.org/docs/4/html/rhel-sg-en-4/s1-wstation-boot-sec.html |
| 22:45.02 | abrotman | woodland: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 .. |
| 22:45.08 | woodland | abrotman: ok |
| 22:45.12 | leaveone | can someone help me edit my iptables to open up ports on my computer? |
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| 22:45.23 | Shadowcat | leaveone: do you know how to use iptables? |
| 22:45.28 | woodland | abrotman: should i reboot after that |
| 22:45.34 | deadcat | woodland: yes |
| 22:45.34 | alec | YogSothoth: are you set on partitioning and create new filesystems? |
| 22:45.35 | ajdlinux | woodland: yes |
| 22:45.36 | Coweater | is it normal for a package to exist on architectures that it would be useless on? |
| 22:45.39 | leaveone | no i dont.. |
| 22:45.45 | ajdlinux | Coweater: often |
| 22:45.53 | Shadowcat | leaveone: then it's probably best if you read a tutorial on it |
| 22:45.54 | leaveone | i looked at the man page wasnt successful in understanding much of it |
| 22:46.03 | Shadowcat | leaveone: google for a guide |
| 22:46.12 | deadcat | leaveone: install guarddog its GUI |
| 22:46.27 | Shadowcat | deadcat: how newbie friendly is guarddog? |
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| 22:46.38 | sabin | can anyone tell me the kernel 2.6 policy for sid? (or tell me where to read it), I'm curious, will 2.6.17 replace my .16 right away when it comes out? |
| 22:46.46 | deadcat | Shadowcat: i dont know. i dont use it |
| 22:46.54 | ajdlinux | sabin: possible |
| 22:46.55 | sabin | i'm running linux-image packages |
| 22:47.01 | woodland | abrotman: there's also kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp what is that |
| 22:47.03 | ajdlinux | sabin: that's normal |
| 22:47.05 | Shadowcat | sabin: I wouldn't do that if I were you |
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| 22:47.08 | tim_flatus | I just recompiled my first kernel, and it works! Be happy for me :) |
| 22:47.12 | leaveone | does guarddog allow me to edit the iptables or make me create a firewall ? |
| 22:47.26 | ajdlinux | tim_flatus: i messed up my kernel heaps |
| 22:47.32 | deadcat | leaveone: it creates i think. |
| 22:47.32 | leaveone | i tried to use firestarter and that blocked all my ports.. i couldnt even get online |
| 22:47.36 | YogSothoth | alec: yep |
| 22:47.42 | Dwonis | deadcat: FYI, fbpanel isn't good for Xinerama with different-sized screens. Half of it ends up being invisible, unless I put it at the top of the screen instead of the bottom. |
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| 22:47.52 | tim_flatus | ajdlinux, :( |
| 22:47.57 | sabin | Shadowcat, i ran custom kernels for years, then i got bored of recompiling |
| 22:47.58 | deadcat | Dwonis: thats what you have? (= hahaha |
| 22:47.58 | abrotman | woodland: not for you |
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| 22:48.06 | Shadowcat | sabin: kernels in unstable BREAK, A LOT |
| 22:48.08 | abrotman | !tell woodland about smp |
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| 22:48.16 | abrotman | s/kernels in// |
| 22:48.22 | Shadowcat | sabin: so if you're running a kernel from sid, an upgrade can render the system unbootable |
| 22:48.28 | Shadowcat | and that happens a lot |
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| 22:48.32 | Dwonis | deadcat: yeah, an old CRT @ 1024x768, and a nice LCD at 1280x1024 |
| 22:48.33 | woodland | abrotman: ok |
| 22:48.39 | deadcat | Dwonis: doh |
| 22:48.59 | deadcat | Dwonis: i only use fbpanel's pager and clock anyway. the other plugins are kinna useless to me |
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| 22:49.09 | Dwonis | deadcat: the difference in contrast is amazing... I had to turn _down_ the LCD's contrast so that it would match up with the CRT |
| 22:49.10 | sabin | Shadowcat, yeah i know, it's happened to me already... heh, i never learn... the part that bothers me a little is how they don't keep the old kernel, how i can't install 2.6.15 if i want to |
| 22:49.13 | E-bola | How can u tell whether a nic is connected with 10mbit or 100mbit? |
| 22:49.16 | leaveone | deadcat, i just really want to open up a few ports.. im also behind a router and ive set up port forwarding but i still cant connect |
| 22:49.36 | ajdlinux | E-bola: download something i guess and guess the speed, you can use dmesg and stuff |
| 22:49.39 | deadcat | Dwonis: i notice that too and i have 2 lcds. one nec and one dell |
| 22:49.42 | Shadowcat | sabin: just keep compiling kernels |
| 22:49.51 | Shadowcat | I'd rather spend 20 min configuring a new kernel and knowing than it works |
| 22:49.56 | deadcat | leaveone: if you behind a router. what the f you want another firewall for |
| 22:49.58 | Shadowcat | than spend two hours sorting out kernel problems in knoppix |
| 22:50.05 | bengrubb | hay im confused cometimes when i do ap-get update it works sometimes not... |
| 22:50.07 | Dwonis | E-bola: mii-tool |
| 22:50.09 | liable_ | leaveone: err, unless you have specifically closed ports, then they will be open. |
| 22:50.16 | E-bola | ahh right thanks dwonis |
| 22:50.39 | Red_Cloud | j-run, that was the ticket and the link is the best. Thanks |
| 22:50.43 | liable_ | bengrubb: what do you mean by works? |
| 22:50.50 | sabin | Shadowcat, meh, i just figured i wont upgrade once .17 comes and i'll hold on to the patched .16 |
| 22:50.59 | bengrubb | connects |
| 22:51.10 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 22:51.12 | sticky | Why not just compile your own kernel? |
| 22:51.16 | liable_ | bengrubb: try a different mirror |
| 22:51.17 | j-run | Red_Cloud: np :) |
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| 22:51.22 | Shadowcat | sticky: he's lazy :P |
| 22:51.26 | sticky | here's my uname |
| 22:51.29 | sticky | Linux m00 2.6.16.4 #5 Fri Apr 14 19:11:31 EDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:51.36 | Shadowcat | with me, I have to compile my own kernel, since I use reiser4 |
| 22:51.44 | Shadowcat | a stock debian kernel won't even boot my system |
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| 22:51.59 | bengrubb | it says its trying to ftp to 1.0.0.0 grrr |
| 22:52.02 | sticky | lol |
| 22:52.15 | Dwonis | bengrubb: hey, that's MY ip address! |
| 22:52.18 | bengrubb | (not full copy) |
| 22:52.22 | bengrubb | har har |
| 22:52.28 | Shadowcat | Dwonis: there's also a great ftp at 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:52.30 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 22:52.34 | bengrubb | lol |
| 22:52.36 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: no there isn't :) |
| 22:52.39 | bengrubb | ur killin me here.. |
| 22:52.47 | bengrubb | lol |
| 22:53.19 | j-run | there is no place like 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:53.27 | j-run | sweet 127.0.0.1 alabama... |
| 22:53.35 | sabin | :) |
| 22:53.41 | deadcat | lame |
| 22:53.43 | abrotman | !ur |
| 22:53.43 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 22:53.50 | Shadowcat | http://plig.org/things/pictures/tn/sweet_localhost.jpg.html |
| 22:53.55 | Dwonis | j-run: is that your IP address? You're so going to get pwned... |
| 22:54.09 | j-run | Dwonis: just a sec... |
| 22:54.10 | abrotman | it's so sunday |
| 22:54.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: boring |
| 22:54.23 | j-run | Dwonis: waddayanow, it's 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:54.26 | bengrubb | its monday in aussie |
| 22:54.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: what is? |
| 22:54.35 | j-run | now unleash your DOS-attack |
| 22:54.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: this sunday |
| 22:54.47 | Shadowcat | abrotman: so I guess this describes you then http://plig.org/things/pictures/tn/adminwithagun.jpg.html :P |
| 22:54.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: doesn't mean it's not a sunday |
| 22:55.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm going to get some food |
| 22:55.06 | Dwonis | IMHO, if it's Sunday _anywhere_, it's Sunday here. |
| 22:55.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: good plan |
| 22:55.19 | gnufan | hehe feeling brave here -- I set the Pin-Priority greater than 1000, which is good for downgrading releases. How do I tell it to prefer "snapshot" over "sid"? |
| 22:55.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: you want me to write it in .plan and then you finger me? |
| 22:55.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: your food? |
| 22:55.39 | tarzeau | !banana |
| 22:55.40 | dpkg | it has been said that banana is a fruit, or banana.com, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/lucio/banana.txt, or http://www.filmbuffs.net/bananana/ |
| 22:55.54 | woodland | !china |
| 22:55.54 | dpkg | hmm... china is a country, or what you eat from on holidays, or ask me about <cn> |
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| 22:56.06 | Shadowcat | !cn |
| 22:56.07 | dpkg | well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE čæęø”ęå¼å§ļ¼čƦęčÆ·éčÆ» |
| 22:56.17 | tim_flatus | gnufan, look in the release file |
| 22:56.17 | gnufan | !China |
| 22:56.17 | dpkg | from memory, china is a country, or what you eat from on holidays, or ask me about <cn> |
| 22:56.17 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 22:56.26 | woodland | lol |
| 22:56.30 | j-run | tarzeau: your .config made no difference to my 2.6.x kernel on sarge |
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| 22:56.45 | woodland | abrotman: i am rebooooooting |
| 22:56.46 | tarzeau | j-run: the kernel doesn't work? |
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| 22:56.54 | abrotman | woodland: have fun |
| 22:57.01 | wwallace | excuse me what devs do i need to compile a program from sourcese? |
| 22:57.06 | j-run | still get "VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown block(0,0)" |
| 22:57.09 | wwallace | kopete 0.12 beta 2 |
| 22:57.16 | tarzeau | j-run: show me your grub line |
| 22:57.18 | woodland | abrotman: should i boot in new kernel now ? |
| 22:57.21 | gnufan | tim_flatus more clue needed - sorry which release file? |
| 22:57.24 | j-run | tarzeau: just a sec |
| 22:57.30 | tarzeau | j-run: do you have sata ? do you use the right device name sda instead of hda? |
| 22:57.31 | tim_flatus | gnufan, make a stanza for snapshot and give it higher priority |
| 22:57.43 | j-run | tarzeau: plain ide for now |
| 22:57.53 | tarzeau | j-run: are you sure? |
| 22:57.58 | gnufan | tim_flatus yes but how do I name snapshot, using "origin"? |
| 22:58.09 | j-run | tarzeau: i haven't owned a sata drive in my life :) |
| 22:58.13 | tim_flatus | gnufan, hang on ... |
| 22:58.37 | j-run | tarzeau: i will add ide raid later |
| 22:58.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: awww crap one o'clock already |
| 22:58.42 | j-run | but no hardware for it yet |
| 22:58.44 | tarzeau | guess i'll sleep a little bit |
| 22:58.52 | tarzeau | j-run: ide raid? yuck |
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| 22:59.16 | j-run | it's only for a local development server ;) |
| 22:59.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: just go to sleep :) |
| 22:59.20 | Dwonis | tarzeau: It's not too bad with a small number of drives |
| 22:59.34 | Dwonis | tarzeau: ... and if you don't mind slow |
| 22:59.41 | j-run | my stock sarge 2.4.27 has initrd images |
| 22:59.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: be nice meanwhile |
| 22:59.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:00.06 | j-run | 2.6.16 has no initrd image configured in grub |
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| 23:00.59 | j-run | tarzeau: my grub config |
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| 23:01.12 | j-run | tarzeau: root (hd0,0) |
| 23:01.47 | j-run | tarzeau: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-486 root=/dev/hda1 ro bootkbd=no |
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| 23:04.46 | YogSothoth | While I'm selecting a type for my new partition, using cfdisk, if I want a ext3, what should I choose? Linux extended? Or simply Linux? |
| 23:04.47 | tarzeau | this cake, is the best cake |
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| 23:05.03 | j-run | mmmm.. cake... |
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| 23:06.13 | woodland | abrotman: hi |
| 23:06.21 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:06.27 | Roey | alehi |
| 23:06.31 | Roey | ale |
| 23:06.31 | Roey | doh |
| 23:06.32 | Roey | no alec. |
| 23:06.33 | Roey | :( |
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| 23:06.42 | Dwonis | heh |
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| 23:06.52 | Roey | sigh, I wanted to get this sandisk thing recognized. |
| 23:06.58 | bomberr | Is there a way to test video ram? |
| 23:07.05 | woodland | abrotman: i could not boot in that new kernel you suggested, xwindows could not be started, so i am back in kernel 2.4 |
| 23:07.21 | Roey | bomberr: maybe #ati or #nvidia would know? |
| 23:07.24 | abrotman | woodland: they make text mode irc clients |
| 23:07.24 | Roey | abrotman: hi |
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| 23:08.29 | Dwonis | heh "requested by dephelper"... like you have a choice |
| 23:08.58 | woodland | abrotman: how can i find about the problem ;; what went wrong. there was message about problem starting gdm |
| 23:09.18 | tim_flatus | gnufan, /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 23:09.18 | jsldub | I just apt-get upgraded, and X seems to be broken. Error message about default font fixed missing. This is with sid. Any ideas on how to fix this? I have already reinstalled xfonts-base |
| 23:09.29 | Roey | jsldub: yeah |
| 23:09.31 | Roey | jsldub: it's fubared. |
| 23:09.40 | Roey | jsldub: xorg7 on amd64 at lest. |
| 23:09.42 | Roey | *least. |
| 23:09.42 | Dwonis | jsldub: your font path might be wrong |
| 23:09.48 | hyksos | hi, someone knows a tool that logs cpu-usage and one can watch that as a graph about a day/month ? |
| 23:09.49 | Roey | jsldub: come to #debian-amd64 if that applies to you |
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| 23:09.52 | Dwonis | jsldub: though I don't really know what it _should_ be |
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| 23:10.04 | beetlepun_ | hi folks :) |
| 23:10.11 | Dwonis | jsldub: I'm waiting until Xorg 7 hits etch, I think |
| 23:10.14 | jsldub | this is not on amd64 |
| 23:10.21 | Roey | jsldub: oh wow |
| 23:10.21 | Roey | ok |
| 23:10.25 | abrotman | Roey: hi |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | woodland: look in the log in /var/log/ |
| 23:10.36 | woodland | abrotman: ok |
| 23:10.44 | avtobiff | btw... what benifits does one get from using debian amd64? |
| 23:10.47 | norbert_ | whoo hooo! X works ;-) |
| 23:10.58 | avtobiff | that is not quite clear to me... |
| 23:10.58 | norbert_ | oh yeah |
| 23:10.59 | Roey | avtobiff: none whatsoever; it just seems bigger. |
| 23:11.02 | Roey | becuase 64 > 32. |
| 23:11.06 | Roey | big deal :P |
| 23:11.07 | avtobiff | seems? |
| 23:11.08 | Dwonis | norbert_: by X do you mean Xorg7 ? |
| 23:11.11 | jsldub | do other people come into this channel witht he same problem about font paths? |
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| 23:11.16 | Roey | avtobiff: it doesn't make a damned difference in my experien e |
| 23:11.19 | jsldub | i have seen nothing on google |
| 23:11.23 | avtobiff | actually i might get performance loss? |
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| 23:11.34 | Roey | avtobiff: better to be on ia32 where you have access to windows codecs. |
| 23:11.42 | avtobiff | heh |
| 23:11.47 | Dwonis | !smite Roey |
| 23:11.48 | Roey | jsldub: no, no, you just lose access to codecs and pograms that might otherwise run under wine |
| 23:11.54 | woodland | abrotman: in /var/log there are so many different files, which one should i look |
| 23:11.57 | Roey | Dwonis: what, for telling hte truth? :) |
| 23:12.01 | norbert_ | Dwonis: xorg yes, not sure which version |
| 23:12.12 | tim_flatus | jsldub, http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 might be what you?e looking for :) |
| 23:12.15 | abrotman | woodland: the one that starts with a capital X :) |
| 23:12.17 | gnufan | tim_flatus I found the releases file -- but I still don't understand what need to go in preferences to downgrade sid to earlier sid. I've done etch to sarge before -- so I think I'm being only slightly thick here. |
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| 23:12.31 | norbert_ | Dwonis: I'll check |
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| 23:12.40 | jsldub | tim_flatus, is it usable? |
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| 23:12.41 | beetlepun_ | anyone knows if stinking 'bi' wording is catchin on in the computer industry (iec kibibyte,mebibyte,etc..) |
| 23:12.43 | beetlepun_ | ? |
| 23:12.44 | Dwonis | Roey: for caring about win32 codecs... |
| 23:12.51 | Dwonis | Roey: bah |
| 23:13.03 | avtobiff | why aren't there any free software wow games? i thought of this today... if such a game was made then it could have "penis enlargement potion" etc... it would be neat |
| 23:13.12 | Dwonis | !smite software patents |
| 23:13.13 | tim_flatus | gnufan, you can pin against the same labels |
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| 23:13.24 | Esaj | is it possible to use a modem as a phone? |
| 23:13.33 | raf256 | !smitesmite Dwonis |
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| 23:13.49 | Dwonis | !smitesmitesmite af256 |
| 23:13.51 | norbert_ | Dwonis: ehm, how can I check the installed xorg version? |
| 23:13.57 | gnufan | tim_flatus same labels? I have "Pin: release a=sid" this doesn't seem to work. |
| 23:13.57 | Dwonis | raf256: blarg, you win |
| 23:14.04 | beetlepun_ | Esaj, y, sometimes, possibly, I think there needs to be voice-support wired into the modem |
| 23:14.05 | raf256 | of course |
| 23:14.09 | woodland | abrotman: here are contents of my /var/log http://pastebin.com/663977 |
| 23:14.19 | tim_flatus | gnufan, this does require backports to use RElease files, which they probably do not. In which case you are stuffed for pinning. |
| 23:14.19 | Esaj | beetlepun_: ah ok |
| 23:14.30 | Dwonis | norbert_: If you have xorg7, you'd probably know, because it's quite broken right now, so setting it up wouldn't be straightforward |
| 23:14.41 | norbert_ | Dwonis: well, I have the xorg from sid |
| 23:14.44 | woodland | abrotman: so which of the 4 files which start with X should i look |
| 23:14.47 | beetlepun_ | Esaj, meaning, even if there's no second rj11 port on the modem, you might be able to use a compute mic.. |
| 23:14.48 | norbert_ | Dwonis: I don't know which version that is |
| 23:14.52 | pbryan | X is just a /little/ broken. |
| 23:14.55 | avtobiff | i think that i am using xorg 7 |
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| 23:15.00 | gnufan | tim_flatus snapshot have a "dists/sid/Release" file or whatever. |
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| 23:15.06 | Esaj | beetlepun_: yeah, that's my intention |
| 23:15.12 | avtobiff | but i may have missed it by the hair.. |
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| 23:15.19 | Esaj | beetlepun_: I don't want to buy a handset :) |
| 23:15.24 | Dwonis | norbert_: hmm... I think it's xorg 7... |
| 23:15.26 | norbert_ | well, thanks everyone, gotte go and enjoy the new sid system ;-) |
| 23:15.30 | abrotman | woodland: ls -l XFree86* |
| 23:15.33 | Dwonis | !congratulate norbert_ |
| 23:15.34 | dpkg | Woohoo norbert_, you did it! |
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| 23:15.38 | woodland | abrotman: ok |
| 23:15.46 | beetlepun_ | Esaj, so first see if there's voice support |
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| 23:16.09 | tim_flatus | gnufan, you would be hoping for something like: o=sarge-backports or similiar. I do not know I have never done this with backports. |
| 23:16.13 | avtobiff | how long do you think it will be until sid's xorg is working again? |
| 23:16.18 | woodland | abrotman: can i spit out the output of that command somewhere here |
| 23:16.20 | Esaj | beetlepun_: I have a thinkpad R52 *googles* |
| 23:16.20 | jsmidt | Soundjuicer says it can't find and cdroms and I can't mount anything. How can I figure out what is wrong? Any commands I can run? |
| 23:16.34 | abrotman | woodland: in #flood you can |
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| 23:16.49 | woodland | abrotman: what command |
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| 23:17.30 | nix4me | anyone have any idea when we will see the new firefox 1.5.0.2 in sid or etch? |
| 23:17.32 | gnufan | tim_flatus not backports -- snapshot? |
| 23:17.39 | lnc | do you have to be root to 'make install' ? |
| 23:17.45 | j-run | yes |
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| 23:17.53 | tim_flatus | gnufan, sorry, I am tired. |
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| 23:18.08 | jsmidt | How do you go about configureing your cdrom? |
| 23:18.43 | gnufan | avtobiff at least tomorrow as the guy fixing it just went to get on with his real life |
| 23:18.46 | lnc | no wonder why i gets these errors |
| 23:18.47 | lnc | :/ |
| 23:18.48 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 23:18.57 | Teolupus | any news on etch release plan? |
| 23:19.35 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 23:19.35 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 23:19.42 | beetlepun_ | Esaj, I found this -> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R52 |
| 23:20.12 | Esaj | beetlepun_: thanks |
| 23:20.22 | obscuresoul | which package contains the tahoma font? |
| 23:20.46 | strider | obscuresoul: no such package |
| 23:20.59 | thingfish | obscuresoul: none |
| 23:21.10 | obscuresoul | oh |
| 23:21.11 | obscuresoul | lol |
| 23:21.15 | obscuresoul | tks anyway |
| 23:21.36 | thingfish | obscuresoul: but getting it from a windows install and dropping it into ~/.fonts works fine for me. |
| 23:21.52 | Teolupus | abrotman: tks abrotman! c ya |
| 23:21.54 | j-run | that is what we call piracy ;) |
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| 23:22.08 | beetlepun_ | Esaj, the hsf driver link from this site mentions it doesn't support voice , but perhaps it's exlusively talking about the driver's capabilities, not sure about any other drivers in the works |
| 23:22.09 | strider | obscuresoul: or you could get it from the MS site |
| 23:22.24 | j-run | I think they shut down the free font site? |
| 23:22.30 | Coweater | i'm trying to use the 2006 key line, it says the key isn't changed, but i still get a message about verification from apt-get |
| 23:22.31 | j-run | They used to be out there for free |
| 23:22.51 | liable_ | Coweater: which repo? |
| 23:22.56 | strider | j-run: from the IE6 cab |
| 23:23.27 | j-run | maybe, but that is not as 'clean' as downloading the fonts from the free site where they used to be |
| 23:23.28 | beetlepun_ | strider, there's cabextract and unshield packages to extract cab files :) |
| 23:23.35 | Coweater | liable: mirrors.usc.edu, but i'm using the same on this machine with no problems |
| 23:23.48 | strider | beetlepun_: yes, that's the way |
| 23:23.55 | j-run | strider: extracting the fonts from a cab isn't necessarily legal |
| 23:24.04 | beetlepun_ | strider, I also think there's a msfonts package linked from sf.net |
| 23:24.36 | Nihilanth | i'm gonna install etch, should i use the beta installer or expert on the sarge installer and choose the testing dist? |
| 23:24.42 | thingfish | beetlepun_: you mean msttcorefonts? |
| 23:25.12 | jsldub | tim_flatus, thanks for that wiki link. it was exactly what i was looking for |
| 23:25.13 | beetlepun_ | thingfish, something like that, don't know much about it |
| 23:25.41 | strider | j-run: it isn't. But maybe if you have a license and really indeed do want to use it |
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| 23:26.50 | cjaymes | ok, I'm looking for some software that I can tag files to my hearts content & search based on those tags & regular file attrs |
| 23:27.02 | cjaymes | nautilus has tagging, but I can't search those tags |
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| 23:27.35 | gnufan | tim_flatus seems that sid != unstable as far as "apt" and "snapshot" are concerned ?! Whatever it is now downgrading sid -- wish me luck ;) |
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| 23:27.45 | cjaymes | application is for dj'ing; I want to mark the files based on freshness, rating, etc. etc. |
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| 23:28.00 | CukX | folks, how do i upgrade debian 3.1 from 2.4 kernel to 2.6 ? |
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| 23:28.12 | stew | CukX: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 23:28.58 | CukX | stew with switch ? -i ? |
| 23:29.12 | gnufan | stew surely with modern Intel CPUs it should suggest "-smp" ?! |
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| 23:29.33 | stew | !tell CukX about sarge upgrade kenrel |
| 23:29.42 | abrotman | gnufan: it depends on the CPU |
| 23:29.44 | stew | !tell CukX about sarge upgrade kernel |
| 23:30.19 | wmhtet | has anyone try debian on Mac with coreduo? just curious |
| 23:30.34 | abrotman | wmhtet: there's a website about it |
| 23:30.37 | stew | 686 is also if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
| 23:30.44 | stew | !686 is also if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
| 23:30.44 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 23:30.47 | wmhtet | abortman: ah.. thx |
| 23:30.48 | gnufan | abrotman agreed, but most people with Xeons should be getting -smp or they are losing a lot -- I know Debian install guide notes this, but not in very big letters :( |
| 23:30.57 | abrotman | gnufan: no ... |
| 23:31.05 | abrotman | gnufan: not all xeons are HT or dual core |
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| 23:31.37 | stew | !etch upgrade kernel is also if you are upgrading from a 2.4 kernel you must use yaird instead of initramfs-tools to build your initrd |
| 23:31.37 | dpkg | that's too long, stew |
| 23:31.58 | stew | sigh, people are always saying that to me |
| 23:32.05 | gnufan | stew he is sounding like Hal now. |
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| 23:32.44 | beetlepun_ | wmhtet, there might be something about mac's bootcamp (developing under apple)-- don't know if that might help |
| 23:33.06 | CukX | stew tnx.... |
| 23:34.21 | wmhtet | beetlepun_ :oh yeah, Mac does not explicitly support booting *nix on it yet, my bad. |
| 23:34.30 | rkrush | Hi! I was wondering, would switching from FreeBSD to Debian on my home server be a hassle? I have used Linux for about 6 month in 1998 before I came across FreeBSD and hasn't really touched it since. Do you think I'll have trouble with converting my startup scripts and making it work like I want it? |
| 23:34.49 | pipeline | wmhtet, beetlepun_ : boot camp definitely works with grub, as I've seen Solaris on intel imacs. |
| 23:35.03 | d03boy | I need some help getting my wireless crap to work. It used to work on an older kernel. Ndiswrapper seems to load fine... but alas, iwlist and other stuff do not detect any networks |
| 23:35.16 | wmhtet | pipeline: solaris one Mac? :O |
| 23:35.27 | pipeline | d03boy: Then go back to the older kernel. |
| 23:35.32 | pipeline | d03boy: That's really all you can do. |
| 23:35.41 | pipeline | d03boy: Other than buying a not-crap wireless card, of course. |
| 23:35.46 | pipeline | wmhtet: Solaris uses grub, now. |
| 23:36.07 | wmhtet | pipeline: I see, thx |
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| 23:37.06 | bcc | hi guys, what's more practical smb or nfs to connect two linux boxes over a slow link with high latency? |
| 23:37.28 | abrotman | scp ? |
| 23:37.42 | abrotman | bcc: smb and nfs will probably both freak out |
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| 23:38.02 | bcc | that sucks. is there any other option? |
| 23:38.08 | pipeline | bcc, abrotman : NFS should work, but it'll work really, really badly. |
| 23:38.29 | abrotman | pipeline: yes .. as in "freak out" :) |
| 23:38.38 | pipeline | bcc, abrotman : Windows to Windows CIFS/SMB over a slow link isn't so bad, but linux CIFS/SMB sucks ass, so yes, it will probably freak out. |
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| 23:38.45 | abrotman | bcc: are you trying to copy files .. or really have a network file system ? |
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| 23:38.58 | bcc | need random r/w access to a few large files |
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| 23:39.10 | pipeline | abrotman, bcc: nah, NFS was designed with high latency links in mind. NFS-over-TCP works pretty well, it's ust soooooo slooooow because NFS requires a lot of "round trip" things. |
| 23:39.46 | d03boy | pipeline, i cant revert back to old kernel |
| 23:39.50 | abrotman | bcc: there is ftpfs and shfs in FUSE .. depends on how much work you want to put into it |
| 23:39.50 | jammyflynn20 | im installing yahoo like this from room apt-get install (then ymessengerect.deb ) am i doing this wrong |
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| 23:40.02 | gnufan | pipeline smb requires a lot more chatter per file.. NFS probably better -- is this low bandwidth high latency, or just high latency |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | pipeline: dunno .. NFS doesn't like losing connection |
| 23:40.08 | bcc | i don't need to copy files |
| 23:40.30 | bcc | well, low-bandwidth as in 1-2Mbps |
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| 23:40.42 | jammyflynn20 | im installing yahoo like this from room apt-get install (then ymessengerect.deb ) am i doing this wrong |
| 23:40.48 | bcc | with about 130-150ms ping |
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| 23:41.00 | gnufan | bcc well that is low bandwidth since they upped my broadband on the 10th ;) |
| 23:41.19 | bcc | one box is in the usa and the other one is in europe |
| 23:41.25 | bcc | so the latency is an issue |
| 23:41.30 | pipeline | abrotman: You have to use TCP |
| 23:41.39 | abrotman | no way . use IPX! |
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| 23:41.56 | pipeline | d03boy: Then you're most likely totally fucked. I'm afraid you'll have to buy a decent card. |
| 23:41.57 | gnufan | bcc I though you meant low latency, 130ms -- no issue at all -- next week try satellite |
| 23:41.58 | d03boy | i really hate linux sometimes. In order to use this you need a new kernel, but if you use the new kernel that will break. bla bla bla |
| 23:42.03 | jammyflynn20 | im installing yahoo like this from room apt-get install (then ymessengerECT..) where my going wrong |
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| 23:42.14 | bcc | i see. |
| 23:42.28 | pipeline | d03boy: Should have bought a supported card in the first place. (And yes, I hate the same thing -- all linux kernels post 2.6.7 have been disastrous.) |
| 23:42.28 | bcc | so is there any reason to pick one over the other with smb vs nfs? |
| 23:42.29 | j-run | jammy: what do you mean you are installing yahoo? |
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| 23:42.47 | bhagabhi | hmm... Why does my synaptic help -> about say v0.57.8 but Synaptic says I have the 0.57.9 package installed? ... And yes - I have restarted Gnome after it was installed... |
| 23:42.48 | jammyflynn20 | installing the yahoo messenger for linux |
| 23:42.55 | pipeline | bcc: Don't use SMB if you can avoid it. Don't use NFS if security is at all an issue. |
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| 23:43.00 | menko | hello, quick question, how come the font paths in xorg.conf are /usr/lib/X11/fonts/* etc, but most(all?) fonts are installed to /usr/share/fonts, how are these linked? |
| 23:43.01 | blu023 | Welcome to #debian |
| 23:43.11 | stew | jammyflynn20: /msg dpkg bat |
| 23:43.13 | nibbledumb | :D |
| 23:43.15 | bcc | pipeline: can i tunnel it through ssh? |
| 23:43.21 | bcc | or does it need udp? |
| 23:43.30 | pipeline | bcc: You need TCP, but no, you can't tunnel it through SSH. |
| 23:43.31 | j-run | jammy: use jabber. apt-get install jabber jabber-yahoo |
| 23:43.37 | bcc | why not? |
| 23:43.41 | Duelist | pipeline: then what do you use instead? |
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| 23:43.43 | pipeline | bcc: NFS uses UDP by default. This is a Bad Thing. Make sure you use TCP. |
| 23:43.47 | Duelist | my understanding was NFS is the "least common denominator" between Unix systems for filesharing |
| 23:43.52 | pipeline | Duelist: I didn't say there was a *good* option. AFS is th eleast terrible, I suppose. |
| 23:44.06 | pipeline | Duelist: Heh, that's the thing: NFS works very well with *other* UNIX systems. Linux NFS, however, is a fucking disaster. |
| 23:44.09 | bcc | why can't i tunnel it? |
| 23:44.18 | pipeline | bcc: Because portmap will flip the fuck out. |
| 23:44.53 | pipeline | bcc: You could tunnel it through a VPN, but you can't use the simplest kind of ssh tunnel, I'm pretty sure. |
| 23:45.03 | bcc | so what do people use when they have two boxes and the software on one box needs to write to the other box's files and read them in random order? |
| 23:45.08 | pipeline | Duelist: AFS is a real pain in the ass to set up, but it's the only thing that works semi-reliably. |
| 23:45.12 | gnufan | bcc they are all so negative around here... the ssh filesystem is cool to -- a bit mickey mouse, but secure, and simple, does require a kernel mod on the client system, but nothing on the server but ssh |
| 23:45.13 | pipeline | bcc: You're running into a classic problem. |
| 23:45.25 | jammyflynn20 | cool thanks |
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| 23:45.33 | jammyflynn20 | soes java install like this |
| 23:45.44 | wmhtet | how does ssh file system work? |
| 23:45.48 | gnufan | bcc tunneling NFS will work fine.... |
| 23:45.51 | pipeline | wmhtet: Using FUSE |
| 23:45.54 | stew | jammyflynn20: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:45.57 | j-run | jammy: use apt-cache search whateveryouwant |
| 23:46.02 | bcc | pipeline: if it's classic, why aren't there plenty of solutions available? |
| 23:46.03 | wmhtet | pipeline: thx |
| 23:46.11 | gnufan | wmhtet there is article on setting it up on debian-administration.org |
| 23:46.12 | j-run | jammyflynn20: then you get the package name, and simple apt-get install it |
| 23:46.19 | bcc | gnufan: so I can tunnel it under ssh? |
| 23:46.20 | pipeline | bcc: Because all the UNIX vendors pushed NFS, the lowest common denominator. |
| 23:46.35 | wmhtet | gnufan: thx, I will take a look at it |
| 23:46.38 | pipeline | bcc: At one time or another, various UNIX vendors came up with proprietary solutions that were better, but proprietary solutions don't tend to do very well in the market. |
| 23:46.54 | jammyflynn20 | ok one more thing how do i install fake root |
| 23:46.57 | gnufan | bcc don't see why not. You have a vague idea how SUN ONC RPC work? |
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| 23:47.20 | harfooz | hi folks -- I lost the Debian menu in Gnome with the latest updates to Etch. I do have menu installed, but I seem to recall there was an additional library file that needed to be also installed -- and I can't remember what that other file is. |
| 23:47.27 | j-run | jammyflynn20: see above |
| 23:47.28 | bcc | gnufan: what's that? |
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| 23:47.37 | j-run | jammyflynn20: apt-cache search fake |
| 23:47.37 | abrotman | harfooz: menu-xdg installed? |
| 23:47.41 | bcc | i'm going to read about ssh file system. never heard of it. |
| 23:47.44 | harfooz | abrotman, let me check. |
| 23:47.46 | j-run | jammyflynn20: find the package name, and install |
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| 23:47.56 | pipeline | bcc: It's a filthy hack. It doesn't work very well, but it might work well enough for your purposes. |
| 23:48.01 | gnufan | bcc underlying technology to NFS -- helps explain why it is insecure, what ports are needed, that sort of thing |
| 23:48.07 | harfooz | abrotman, yes -- 0.2.3 |
| 23:48.13 | pipeline | bcc: If this is a long-term thing, I'd go ahead and set up OpenAFS. In the long-run, it'll be worth the hassle. |
| 23:48.54 | bcc | pipeline: nah, it's for piping the newest european porn straight from the studios to my desktop. |
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| 23:49.12 | bcc | do you think ssh file system could handle that? |
| 23:49.16 | pipeline | No. |
| 23:49.23 | pipeline | playing video? hell no |
| 23:49.24 | pipeline | not a chance |
| 23:49.32 | bcc | lol, nah. |
| 23:49.40 | mfrisch | dupe |
| 23:49.49 | harfooz | going to try dpkg-reconfigure menu and dpkg-reconfigure menu-xdg |
| 23:49.54 | gnufan | hehehe Debian Sid as of April 1st 2006 here we go... install just finishing off -- *8-) |
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| 23:50.51 | bcc | pipeline: is sshfs at least secure? |
| 23:51.12 | obscuresoul | does amsn v0.95 (sarge) works fine? |
| 23:51.13 | Baloo | What's it called when you have more than one display device, keyboard, mouse and sound card running on the same machine serving two different users? |
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| 23:51.32 | lnc | If I give someone ssh access to my box, how can I limit them to their home directory? |
| 23:51.49 | Baloo | lnc: chroot |
| 23:51.50 | bucky | my sid was broken.. couldn't log in - so i waited a couple of days and apt-get upgrade'd with a rescue disk |
| 23:51.50 | gnufan | bcc it is an ugly hack on top of ssh, but because of that it is basically a glorified interface to scp... same sort of security.... |
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| 23:51.56 | lnc | Baloo: how? |
| 23:52.08 | lnc | Baloo: and what way? |
| 23:52.13 | Baloo | man chroot, remember they'll need thier own hard-linked /bin, /usr/bin, etc. |
| 23:52.30 | bcc | gnufan: i see. does it work with random r/w over large files? like if i need to read a few bytes in the middle of a 2G file and then write a few at some other location? |
| 23:52.31 | lordnazgu1 | inc take a look at the securing debian manual on the debian website |
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| 23:52.36 | hyksos | whats the default mysql admin password? |
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| 23:52.47 | Baloo | lnc: What lordnazgu1 said |
| 23:52.50 | lordnazgu1 | inc it tells you about a lot of the security issues when opening up a machine to other users |
| 23:53.10 | jammyflynn20 | how do i get back to desktop from root |
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| 23:53.28 | lnc | lordnazgu1: mind if you find the link for me? |
| 23:53.35 | gnufan | lnc what precisely is the goal, as there are a lot of options from scponly upwards. |
| 23:53.36 | stew | jammyflynn20: what do you mean "from root"? maybe you want alt-f7? |
| 23:53.47 | kyncani | maybe he wants cd ??? |
| 23:53.49 | harfooz | abrotman, thanks for the tip -- after running dpkg-reconfigure on both menu and menu-xdg, logging out and back in, the Debian menu is back in place. |
| 23:54.00 | harfooz | abrotman, thanks very much for the help! |
| 23:54.09 | abrotman | harfooz: yay! |
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| 23:54.30 | mfrisch | dam vnc through ssh is slow |
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| 23:54.56 | gnufan | bcc not sure on that one... try it and see.... these databases, or could they be rsynced or similar.. might be an option. |
| 23:55.11 | lnc | mfrisch: how do you vnc through ssh? |
| 23:55.21 | lordnazgu1 | inc: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing |
| 23:55.21 | bcc | gnufan: the problem is that the files are much larger than the space that i have on the client box |
| 23:55.30 | bcc | that's why i need to access them remotely |
| 23:55.33 | lnc | lordnazgu1: thanks |
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| 23:55.36 | jsmidt | What is SCSI? |
| 23:55.36 | bcc | otherwise, i would have copied them |
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| 23:56.11 | mfrisch | putty and ssh forward 5901 etc. |
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| 23:56.27 | d03boy | does anyone know if the broadcom drivers work yet? |
| 23:57.35 | liable_ | one way to find out. |
| 23:57.49 | j-run | i use broadcom |
| 23:59.02 | gnufan | bcc definitely no chance of installing software you need at the remote end and running that remotely? |
| 23:59.15 | wookienz | what command is it to find our which compiler i have.. i assume thats what libc is |
| 23:59.34 | bcc | nope. if i could do that, i wouldn't have this problem. |
