| 00:00.00 | stew | miki: have you tried 2.6.15 like i suggested? |
| 00:00.06 | cheal | Kerr: I don't understand. if you don't want to upgrade, why do you care about what would be upgraded? |
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| 00:00.24 | jshriver | NEC are relatively inexpensive as well, but havent tried it.. |
| 00:00.35 | miki | stew: i wasnt working on 2.4.27 too, took me few days to configure and i dont even know how i did that, except that it looks like 2 diff uhci drivers are getting launched now |
| 00:00.36 | ribnitz | jshriver: etch is testing |
| 00:00.44 | jshriver | is etch worth the upgrade? |
| 00:00.46 | miki | stew: it wasnt*** |
| 00:00.52 | ribnitz | jshriver: mine died, about one year of operation. |
| 00:01.10 | ribnitz | jshriver: that depnds on your criteria. |
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| 00:01.18 | jshriver | ribnitz, yikes :( might still be under warantee though.. know lite-ons and most things now adays at least have a 1year warantee |
| 00:01.18 | heny | how can i show my cpu usage at debian? |
| 00:01.19 | heny | in shell? |
| 00:01.22 | Kerr | cheal: my etch desktop died during a masse upgrade of packages, so i reinstalled sarge. I was under the impression that my server was sarge, untill i checked. |
| 00:01.24 | abrotman | top |
| 00:01.24 | miki | stew: also, even simple comands like lspci aint working |
| 00:01.28 | flosch | the vcd sound interrupts for short times during playing a VCD with VLC ... does anyone know how to fix that? :/ |
| 00:01.30 | jshriver | heny "top" |
| 00:01.43 | evaded | delire: Here fire ;-) |
| 00:01.47 | stew | miki: they were working a little while ago |
| 00:01.49 | jshriver | which is more stable unstable or testing |
| 00:01.49 | delire | evaded: ;) |
| 00:01.54 | ribnitz | jshriver: I am not going to send in my comp for 2 weeks to get a 50 USD thing replaced. |
| 00:02.00 | jshriver | lol |
| 00:02.04 | delire | jshriver: the name should give a clue.. |
| 00:02.09 | miki | stew: if there would be any way to check my current uhci setup and then make similar one under 2.6.8 then it would work probably |
| 00:02.19 | jshriver | hrm contact them.. usually you can just pull the device and send it in.. or have them send you a new one and you put the broken one in the box and send it back. |
| 00:02.26 | jshriver | but not sure for NEC.. just speaking in general |
| 00:02.31 | stew | miki: what is your "uhci setup"? |
| 00:02.32 | rredd4 | what do I add to intefaces so that my wireless will work on boot up. Web site for this? |
| 00:02.32 | ribnitz | jshriver: testing is more stable. Unstable isnt for you, if you have to ask. |
| 00:03.06 | ribnitz | jshriver: not owrth the trouble, for 50 bucks. |
| 00:03.12 | miki | stew: i dunno, but to be honest when 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 are starting, it looks very different(i mean things related to usb/uhci) |
| 00:03.14 | nse | is there a way to direct the ouput of a command to both the standard output and a file |
| 00:03.17 | jshriver | lol I just want this new machine to run as smoothly as my last one... and it seems to be chocking on everything yet has 2x the ram and 2x the speed |
| 00:03.17 | ribnitz | (does anyone ever get any does?) |
| 00:03.25 | jshriver | can't even get DMA enabled.. hdparm gives me errors |
| 00:03.25 | delire | rredd4: are you on a laptop? check out laptop-net or ifplugd. if you want to hard assign it to one essid, man /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:03.30 | ribnitz | nse: tee |
| 00:03.33 | delire | s/man// |
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| 00:03.53 | malex | !kdm |
| 00:03.54 | dpkg | i guess kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 00:03.58 | stew | miki: there is no setup for uhci, its just a matter of loading the uhci-hcd module, put that into /etc/modules |
| 00:04.08 | Cybodog | would someone be so kind as to tell me why I don't have exportfs, or what I have to do to install that? |
| 00:04.20 | jshriver | !dpkg exportfs |
| 00:04.25 | nse | ribnitz: thanks |
| 00:04.48 | stew | Cybodog: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:05.10 | rredd4 | delire on a laptop man pages and me do not get along yet, I am to new to linux ty |
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| 00:05.26 | jshriver | ok new questions :) have asked before but still not finding a good package.. |
| 00:05.28 | Cybodog | nada on the search or on /msg dpkg |
| 00:05.42 | abrotman | !find exportfs sarge |
| 00:05.44 | stew | !tell Cybodog about search |
| 00:05.45 | jshriver | Anyone recommend a podcasting grabber for linux? something I can feed it rss/podcast feeds and it'll collect them |
| 00:05.48 | delire | rredd4: adding a line like 'auto eth1' and another line below it reading 'iface eth1 inet dhcp' in my /etc/network/interfaces will mean it will always ask for an ip from a DHCP server, but this may not be what you want. |
| 00:05.48 | miki | stew: its already there... and does nothing |
| 00:05.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'exportfs' (4 of 13): (/usr/sbin/exportfs) in net/nfs-kernel-server ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
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| 00:06.08 | abrotman | !find bin/exportfs sarge |
| 00:06.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/exportfs' (1): (/usr/sbin/exportfs) in net/nfs-kernel-server. |
| 00:06.19 | dli | abrotman, usr/sbin/exportfs net/nfs-kernel-server |
| 00:06.33 | stew | miki: what do you mean it does nothing? |
| 00:06.41 | abrotman | dli: I SEE! |
| 00:06.43 | rredd4 | delire auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp ?? |
| 00:06.49 | delire | rredd4: i would look at ifplugd or laptop-net. |
| 00:06.51 | miki | stew: it wont detect my monem, nor anything else in usb ports |
| 00:06.52 | gnufan | jshriver: rythmnbox does this -- but it seems to need prompting to collect new podcasts -- |
| 00:06.59 | rredd4 | yeah |
| 00:07.04 | dli | abrotman, who asked the question, tell him about apt-file |
| 00:07.12 | delire | rredd4: yes, that's if you have no key. you'll need to set an essid in that file however.. |
| 00:07.16 | stew | miki: the modem doesn't show up in dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | !tell dli about search |
| 00:07.24 | jshriver | gnufan, will check it out.. thanks |
| 00:07.25 | jshriver | bbiab |
| 00:07.28 | rredd4 | delire have key and essid |
| 00:07.31 | abrotman | !tell Cybodog about search |
| 00:07.45 | delire | rredd4: something like 'wireles_essid MyEssid' under those other lines would work. |
| 00:07.56 | delire | rredd4: myself, i put it in a script.. |
| 00:07.58 | evaded | stew: Is there an 'more' command in dpkg? |
| 00:07.59 | miki | stew: i dunno, i can chek but i think its not showing |
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| 00:08.03 | stew | evaded: no |
| 00:08.24 | ged | hmm i tried: sudo apt-get -t testing install rtorrent; but no dice |
| 00:08.35 | Cybodog | thanks guys, I was getting nada on apt-cache search exportfs |
| 00:08.36 | dli | abrotman, can get live display switching between the built-in lcd and an external monitor |
| 00:08.38 | evaded | stew: Like here on my search i got 'of 'ati' (15 of 121)'. Can i not get the other results then? |
| 00:08.39 | stew | miki: and some devices are happier with ohci |
| 00:08.46 | dli | abrotman, can I get ? |
| 00:08.52 | rredd4 | delire: I just need to search on google again... I will find the instructions, I found them.. just not sure where. ty |
| 00:08.56 | abrotman | dli: on your laptop ? |
| 00:09.04 | stew | evaded: not from the bot. how exactly did you search? |
| 00:09.06 | miki | stew: ooh, i made dmeg log already... i got two logs from different kernels(one working and other one not working), let me pastebin |
| 00:09.06 | sanmarcos | is there a way to clear my X clipboard ? |
| 00:09.09 | dli | abrotman, yes |
| 00:09.22 | evaded | stew: 'find ati' |
| 00:09.26 | ged | i could understand if a few mirrors didn't carry that package, but i have 12 mirrors in my list |
| 00:09.30 | dli | abrotman, I want to press the button, it resize the display and switch |
| 00:09.38 | stew | evaded: on your local machine type "apt-cache search ati" |
| 00:09.58 | stew | evaded: errr, no |
| 00:09.58 | abrotman | dli: it should just work afaik |
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| 00:10.01 | delire | rredd4: there are gui tools for this sort of thing. if you don't mind scripts i can give you one i wrote in python. |
| 00:10.02 | evaded | stew: yes i know lol ;-) i was talking to the bot ;-) |
| 00:10.07 | stew | evaded: apt-file search ati |
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| 00:10.23 | rredd4 | delire: I called a local isp who has wireless ( i can see it in my scan) he said something about interference with the fire department? |
| 00:10.26 | stew | evaded: with the bot there isn't, but there is always another way to get the same information without using the bot |
| 00:10.32 | dli | abrotman, no, the Monitor sections are different to work on the two monitors |
| 00:10.43 | Cybodog | I still don't know why apt-cache search exportfs yields nothing here. |
| 00:10.46 | delire | rredd4: no idea.. sounds like a badly dressed lie |
| 00:10.46 | rredd4 | delire: ok, not familiar with python |
| 00:10.46 | evaded | stew: Locally i guess |
| 00:11.09 | miki | stew: http://pastebin.com/666216 < this one 2.6.8 and this one 2.4.27 > http://pastebin.com/666219 |
| 00:11.11 | rredd4 | delire: i cannot imagine that this router will broadcast far enough |
| 00:11.20 | evaded | stew: I guess that i need to install 'apt-file', right? |
| 00:11.29 | stew | evaded: yeah and update it, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:11.47 | abrotman | dli: really? .. don't tell my laptop that |
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| 00:12.04 | miki | stew: it looks that i got ohci set up now under 2.6.8, but i tried modconf removing/setting all combinations without any sucess |
| 00:12.18 | abrotman | dli: ok .. so what's the problem then? |
| 00:12.34 | Cybodog | how did dpkg come up with <dpkg> Debian Search of 'bin/exportfs' (1): (/usr/sbin/exportfs) in net/nfs-kernel-server.? I just seached debian.org and found nothing |
| 00:12.38 | dli | abrotman, it won't switch :( |
| 00:12.55 | evaded | stew: Thanks for you're usefull tips man ;-) |
| 00:13.02 | gnufan | !tell Cybodog about search |
| 00:13.05 | stew | miki: i need to see what happens when you unplug and replug the modem |
| 00:13.09 | sanmarcos | any good tutorials for learning reagular expressions? recomendations? |
| 00:13.13 | abrotman | dli: so if you hit the Fn-ScreenButton .. nada? |
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| 00:13.34 | dli | abrotman, yes, and it restart display on the same monitor :( |
| 00:13.44 | miki | stew: so i should unplug modem, do dmesg and then plug again / dmesg under 2.6.8 ? |
| 00:13.45 | Cybodog | Ok, so I am dense: dpkg -S /bin/foo = what I would type here? |
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| 00:14.05 | stew | miki: yes |
| 00:14.07 | abrotman | dli: maybe it's out of range? .. or try hitting it twice quickly? |
| 00:14.08 | malex | What is the nature of kdm breakage with new xorg? |
| 00:14.12 | miki | stew: aight. brb |
| 00:14.19 | stew | miki: or with 2.6.15 as i've suggested a number of times |
| 00:14.23 | dli | abrotman, one moment |
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| 00:14.40 | stew | abrotman: thinkpad? |
| 00:14.46 | abrotman | stew: yeah |
| 00:14.54 | stew | abrotman: mine only turns off bluetooth, are you sure yours does wifi too? |
| 00:15.06 | jshriver | odd question, is it possible to run iTunes via wine? |
| 00:15.07 | Kerr | hmm |
| 00:15.23 | abrotman | stew: i don't think i have bluetooth |
| 00:15.30 | abrotman | stew: let's see :) |
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| 00:15.50 | jshriver | There's some podcasts I'd like to get but the website only gives instructions on hooking itunes to it. No rss feed URL |
| 00:15.51 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. didn't do anything |
| 00:15.56 | Kerr | abrotman: do you think upgrading the packages i pasted would pose any danger to my system? I don't have physical access to it, so i dun' want it to break. That's why i'm worried :-/ |
| 00:15.58 | stew | abrotman: youd have a little green lightup bt light in your status lights at the bottom of the lcd |
| 00:16.06 | Cybodog | I do not understand why I am pointed to search, I know about search and apt-cache search exportfs outputs nothing? So what is so simple I am missing it? |
| 00:16.08 | gnufan | Cybodog: I think it is using apt-file -- have a play with the things in search factoid |
| 00:16.19 | abrotman | stew: guess i don't have bluetooth :) |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | Kerr: i have no idea what the server does .. it could |
| 00:16.45 | Cybodog | thanks gnufan |
| 00:16.46 | stew | Cybodog: "apt-file" and packages.debian.org were the items from the search factoid that would have found it for you |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | Cybodog: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search exportfs |
| 00:16.57 | kspath | I purposely got my iBook without wireless. |
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| 00:17.07 | Cybodog | will do stew, abrotamn |
| 00:17.17 | KinGBin | anybody use ipodlinux? |
| 00:17.27 | Kerr | abrotman: runs an ircd, a few irssi proxies, a few eggdrops, and a smalltime webserver.. it's usually at 0% load |
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| 00:17.49 | kspath | I am so glad that wireless was not an integrated/required feature. |
| 00:18.11 | Kerr | my old desktop turned into a junkserver. |
| 00:18.35 | abrotman | Kerr: well .. if it breaks .. hopefully it will be fixed in a few days |
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| 00:18.50 | gnufan | Hmm bug reports -- some packages which are related share the same description (and typos), think I should bug report all of them to make sure they are all fixed?! Or likely that they are built automagically from the same source file? |
| 00:19.29 | damiaan | xserver-xorg, xorg,... I'm confused. What packages do I need to get X going , I'm on amd64-unstable (and having problems with X being broken after a dist-upgrade) |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. i really wonder what that button does |
| 00:19.51 | stew | gnufan: "apt-cache show packagename" will show you what source pacakge a package is from if the name of the source package differs from the name of the binary package |
| 00:19.53 | Kerr | abrotman: ergh.. not very encouraging :-/ Junk server as it may be; my uni isp block irc, that's why i run irssi proxies through it, it's loss would be pretty debilitating (won't be able to get to it 'till friday at best) |
| 00:20.26 | abrotman | Kerr: well .. it's just irc .. you could study instead |
| 00:20.28 | stew | damiaan: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 00:20.55 | gnufan | stew cheers, this one has an extra typo in one of them -- copy and paste error -- so for this package set I need two reports anyway. |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | stew: though .. i thought this laptop had bluetooth when i bought it .. but i never saw it in lspci |
| 00:21.06 | damiaan | traffic there is quite low tonight; But I guess at least the package names should be the same, no? |
| 00:21.25 | abrotman | xorg i believe is the name now |
| 00:21.39 | Kerr | abrotman: i say my uni isp as i'm not at uni, they're just my isp O.o |
| 00:21.49 | abrotman | Kerr: sounds illegal |
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| 00:22.18 | stew | abrotman: mine is connected via an internal ehci and therefore doens't show up in lspci |
| 00:22.20 | Kerr | i'm still in student accomodation O.o had to pack in my course and work, due to no money for food. |
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| 00:22.50 | damiaan | abrotman: I was afraid you'd say that. xorg refuses to install because of unmet dependencies, but I guess that's specific to amd64. |
| 00:23.16 | abrotman | stew: oh .. but i don't have a bluetooth thing on the status panel |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | damiaan: ok .. so start with xserver-xorg .. keep going til it works :) |
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| 00:24.53 | tehbio | Where is the grub.conf file located? I thought /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 00:25.00 | damiaan | well, xserver-xorg is installed |
| 00:25.10 | gnufan | tehbio: you looking for menu.lst ? |
| 00:25.10 | ged | if i install a package from debian.org instead of apt, will apt know that the library or app is installed? |
| 00:25.11 | jshriver | anyone know why hdparm -d1 would give this error: |
| 00:25.11 | stew | tehbio: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:25.12 | jshriver | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 00:25.19 | Kerr | abrotman: what are my options here :-/ not keeping the system up to date = bad, keeping it up to date = bad too? |
| 00:25.28 | LoneWlf791 | saloxin still here? |
| 00:25.31 | tehbio | gnufan, stew Thanks. |
| 00:25.32 | abrotman | Kerr: change your sources to etch .. do the upgrade .. and pray |
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| 00:25.55 | abrotman | damiaan: ok .. can you get x-window-system-core installed? |
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| 00:26.46 | gnufan | Kerr: does "don't start from here" ring any bells ;) |
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| 00:28.04 | damiaan | abrotman: that depends on a lot of fonts-relatex pakcages that are "not going to be installed" but then also are not "installable" |
| 00:29.02 | Kerr | >.> |
| 00:29.28 | abrotman | damiaan: can you get xdm or gdm or whatever you use installed? |
| 00:29.29 | Kerr | I think.. i'll do the upgrade when i'm next sitting across from the server (friday) ... with my sarge dvd on hand. |
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| 00:30.22 | damiaan | abrotman: and other nice things like xutils depending on x11-common; but when doing apt-get install xutils x11-common it says the versions are conflicting. gdm and xdm are installed |
| 00:30.32 | Kerr | thanks for the advice :) |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | damiaan: versions conflict or files do? |
| 00:32.07 | damiaan | versions... x11-common: Conflicts: xutils (<= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 is to be |
| 00:32.23 | Kerr | :D the system is calling itself debian testing/unstable I know it used to have unstable nvidia drivers about a year ago... headache. I hope it does die, at least i'll know what is going on with it then. |
| 00:32.25 | stew | !info xutils sid |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | you did an apt-get update .. right ? |
| 00:32.31 | dpkg | xutils: (X Window System utility programs), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | stew: admittedly .. that's for x86 |
| 00:32.45 | cheal | ged: what do you mean by "install a package from debian.org instead of apt"? |
| 00:33.03 | stew | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:33.12 | abrotman | stew: though pdo agrees for amd64 |
| 00:33.15 | stew | yeah |
| 00:33.18 | abrotman | damiaan: apt-get update .. try again |
| 00:33.19 | damiaan | (copy-pasting between terminals here using gpm, running erc in emacs..., where are the days). yes, I updated, I tried different mirrors. |
| 00:33.32 | stew | damiaan: what does "apt-cache policy x11-common" say for candidate: ? |
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| 00:34.07 | stew | (this is also why he should be asking in -amd64) |
| 00:34.25 | miki | stew: i see no difference, tried first driver then only ehci(wich works on 2.4.27) |
| 00:34.49 | miki | stew: i can paste dmesg outpu if u want |
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| 00:35.15 | damiaan | I was the last one speaking on #amd64, 15 min ago... stew: what do you need of that output... |
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| 00:35.46 | damiaan | 1:7.0.11, sorry, overlooked that |
| 00:36.24 | stew | miki: yeah, did anything show up in dmesg when you plugged in and unplugged the device? |
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| 00:36.51 | stew | damiaan: and what happens when you run "apt-get install x11-common" ? |
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| 00:37.22 | miki | stew: nothing, also if driver would be good it would detect other devices like my mouse by defualt |
| 00:37.47 | damiaan | maybe I should mention I have a preference file, with 700 300 50 for unstable testing and stable. x11-common is installed |
| 00:37.54 | dli | abrotman, I think I need a howto for nvidia-twin view |
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| 00:38.13 | stew | miki: then i still thin you should try 2.6.15 |
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| 00:38.48 | abrotman | dli: ask #nvidia? |
| 00:39.04 | magyar | anyone on sid amd64? |
| 00:39.07 | Astral_Projectio | can some tell me how to run xchat that I compiled right now?? |
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| 00:39.11 | abrotman | damiaan: apt-cache policy xutils .. what does it say? |
| 00:39.17 | Astral_Projectio | when I type xchat it starts me old debian version.. |
| 00:39.23 | abrotman | damiaan: you can also use #flood |
| 00:39.25 | miki | stew: its "testing" kernel? |
| 00:39.35 | stew | miki: yes |
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| 00:39.58 | stew | damiaan: what about apt-get install -t unstable xorg ? |
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| 00:40.05 | miki | stew: im running stable now... heh, and i got like 0% chance that my modem/usb will work there |
| 00:40.15 | damiaan | abrotman, stew: kind of difficult copy pasing between terminals, but I'll try in #flood |
| 00:40.36 | tehbio | Is there any slightly safe way to write on NTFS? |
| 00:40.52 | evaded | Astral_Projectio: In a console try 'xcha<TAB>' to see if there are differents versions |
| 00:41.04 | stew | tehbio: yes, use windows |
| 00:41.16 | evaded | Astral_Projectio: And then start that other one |
| 00:41.19 | miki | tehbio: afaik nothing is safe but there are fe progs wich can write without any sucess guarantee tho |
| 00:41.21 | tehbio | stew, Not when you can't boot into it. |
| 00:41.24 | Astral_Projectio | it only gives me xchat and xchat-text |
| 00:41.26 | stew | tehbio: then no |
| 00:41.35 | evaded | Astral_Projectio: Remove that original?? |
| 00:41.48 | Astral_Projectio | i gotta apt-get remove?? |
| 00:41.52 | evaded | Astral_Projectio: I guess you not need differents versions |
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| 00:41.57 | miki | brb |
| 00:42.07 | MrBond82 | Can anyone help me figure out why I have |
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| 00:42.10 | Astral_Projectio | no |
| 00:42.11 | evaded | Astral_Projectio: Remove that old one, yes |
| 00:42.11 | Astral_Projectio | ok |
| 00:42.17 | Astral_Projectio | i'll try that now |
| 00:42.18 | Astral_Projectio | thanks |
| 00:42.25 | MrBond82 | Can anyone help me figure out why I have "homes" and "<username>" as shares with samba when I only created 1 share? |
| 00:42.57 | magyar | is everyonr running stable on this channel? |
| 00:43.13 | abrotman | MrBond82: look in your smb.conf |
| 00:43.25 | MrBond82 | abrotman - yes and what am I looking for? |
| 00:43.30 | stew | magyar: its doubtful that everybody is |
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| 00:43.36 | evaded | magyar: I guess not everyone, but i'm yes |
| 00:43.42 | abrotman | MrBond82: another defined share? |
| 00:43.53 | ged | cheal: what i mean is |
| 00:44.00 | ged | debian.org has a package search |
| 00:44.10 | ged | if i download the packages from the website instead of from apt-get command |
| 00:44.19 | ged | will apt know that i downloaded them? |
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| 00:44.20 | MrBond82 | abrotman- http://pastebin.com/666265 |
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| 00:44.40 | magyar | stew: makes me wonder, I am unable to get the amd64 port running proper either on etch nor sid :( |
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| 00:44.55 | ged | i can't get the packages i need with apt-get |
| 00:44.58 | ged | because they are in testing |
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| 00:45.07 | hebrew | Hello |
| 00:45.08 | ged | even though i did apt-get -t testing |
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| 00:45.28 | hebrew | I have my server with booting problems, what can I do to recover the boot |
| 00:45.38 | stew | magyar: why not sarge? |
| 00:45.44 | stew | magyar: desktop or server? |
| 00:45.55 | evaded | ged: I thinkg you can do 'apg-get install <package>/testing' |
| 00:46.12 | MrBond82 | abrotman - only 1 share I can see |
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| 00:46.25 | evaded | s/apg/apt |
| 00:46.35 | hebrew | please someone could help me |
| 00:46.37 | stew | ged: what version of debian are you running if not testing? |
| 00:46.42 | abrotman | MrBond82: that is weird |
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| 00:46.48 | magyar | stew: desktop, servers are fine, the ia32 port atleast, bit with sarge it's a tough battle with new hardware |
| 00:46.49 | stew | hebrew: boot a livecd and fix it from there |
| 00:47.03 | hebrew | where can I find it? |
| 00:47.05 | MrBond82 | abrotman - and in my winxp box under that server I get a share called "homes" and a share called my username |
| 00:47.23 | stew | magyar: currently you are not likely to get a x server running on amd64 in testing, although you could run it from a 32bit chroot |
| 00:47.30 | evaded | hebrew: Take an 'knoppix' or so?? |
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| 00:47.38 | abrotman | MrBond82: see if #samba knows |
| 00:47.42 | miki2 | stew |
| 00:48.08 | miki2 | stew: if i have 2 diff debians on same partition, does it mean that they both are using same config files? |
| 00:48.13 | MrBond82 | abrotman-- they're kind of dead there... |
| 00:48.19 | MrBond82 | abrotman-- but I'll try thanks |
| 00:48.27 | cheal | ged: how are you planning to install the packages then? |
| 00:48.50 | magyar | stew, where do you get the info on amd64 and X, I feel goofy everyday asking the same questions |
| 00:49.04 | stew | miki2: if they have the same root partition the have the same /etc if that is what you mean, for modules you can have separate configs in /etc/modules and /etc/modules-2.6 |
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| 00:49.30 | cheal | !tell ged about enter |
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| 00:49.55 | stew | magyar: the xorg maintain has been seen in here saying things like "x is fucked in testing on amd64 and that is going to have to wait for xorg7" |
| 00:50.12 | ged | cheal, i would download the packages from debian.org |
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| 00:50.18 | ged | from their website. |
| 00:50.25 | stew | ged: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:50.28 | evaded | ged: Why not apt?? |
| 00:50.36 | ged | i'm running sarge |
| 00:50.38 | cheal | ged: yes but how will you install them? |
| 00:50.39 | ged | gahhh |
| 00:50.45 | ged | i have no clue |
| 00:50.46 | stew | ged: don't install testing packages on sarge |
| 00:50.54 | ged | stew, i want to. |
| 00:50.56 | ged | i want rtorrent |
| 00:50.57 | stew | ged: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:51.12 | miki2 | stew: i got only one modules file, what i different then? maybe i can track some file with difference so i would be able to get usb to work |
| 00:51.33 | magyar | stew: oh,the still have issues with xutils and no xfonts |
| 00:51.35 | hebraico | stew what is the procedure to recover the boot using kanoppix |
| 00:51.37 | hebraico | ? |
| 00:51.40 | ged | rtorrent needs libssl0.9.8 but stable only has 0.9.6 |
| 00:51.40 | Klowner_ | hey all, I'm running stable, I'm attemping to install gcc, but it depends on cpp > cpp-3.3 > gcc-3.3-base (<1:3.36) but 1:3.3.6-7 is to be installed.. |
| 00:51.43 | Klowner_ | and I'm confused |
| 00:51.53 | ged | and rtorrent itself is in testing |
| 00:51.59 | ged | so i have to use testing |
| 00:52.41 | stew | ged: you cannot mix stable and non stable if you need packages in testing but not in stable use a backport |
| 00:52.55 | cheal | ged: stable has openssl 0.9.7 |
| 00:53.21 | ged | how do i get rtorrent with a "backport"? |
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| 00:53.44 | stew | 20:52 < stew> ged: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:53.50 | miki2 | stew: file boot/config-(kernel) is good place to look? |
| 00:54.11 | stew | miki2: look for what? |
| 00:54.12 | evaded | ged: It's been on the backports site |
| 00:54.19 | hebraico | Stew.... |
| 00:54.21 | FliesLikeALap | what can I install that will e-mail me when any of my drives starts running out of hard drive space? |
| 00:54.25 | FliesLikeALap | [on my servers] |
| 00:54.45 | stew | hebraico: what is wrong with your machine? why wont it boot? |
| 00:54.52 | miki2 | stew: to look for differences between automatically launched drivers, like ehci, uhci |
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| 00:56.06 | hebraico | after setup checking the memory,etc, appear appear a black screen and the cursor is blinking, stay like that |
| 00:56.06 | hebraico | and doesn't boot |
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| 00:56.07 | Erpo | How come my gnome taskbar buttons fade in and out with a color when a window wants attention? Is this some snazzy new COMPOSITE thing? |
| 00:56.08 | sweatpea | Hi gank I'm a newb is it ok to ask questions here? |
| 00:56.11 | stew | miki2: drivers which are automatically loaded are loaded by hotplug and discover, if you want to prevent some from loading /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 00:56.46 | shogunx | sweatpea did you pay your entry fee? |
| 00:56.57 | hebraico | what I should do? |
| 00:57.01 | sweatpea | un, yes I paid it at the door. :) |
| 00:57.11 | shogunx | sweatpea, heh... ok, ask away. |
| 00:57.30 | sweatpea | Thanks, I am trying to install Hamachi on a new install of Unbuntu |
| 00:57.35 | stew | hebraico: did you just insatll a new kernel? |
| 00:57.42 | stew | hebraico: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 00:58.07 | orchid | sweatpea: #ubuntu would be mre helpful in that case |
| 00:58.08 | sweatpea | I get an error that says streip failed after running make install |
| 00:58.16 | cheal | Klowner_: what does $ apt-cache policy gcc-3.3-base; output? |
| 00:58.17 | stew | sweatpea: sorry, wrong channel |
| 00:58.18 | hebraico | this sistem is running a software that come up with the boot, the software is a billing software |
| 00:58.19 | sweatpea | oh, ok, I'll try that. Thanks |
| 00:58.20 | ged | so if i just put "sid" in my source.list it should work? |
| 00:58.21 | shogunx | ah sweatpea #ubuntu is what you want |
| 00:58.45 | sweatpea | sorry folk, they don't call us newbs for nothing :) Be well |
| 00:59.01 | conreyt | sweetpea: they may send you back here however to sort out your error ;) |
| 00:59.03 | stew | ged: no mixing sid packages onto a stable system is even worse |
| 00:59.04 | shogunx | peace in the wildebeasts sweatpea |
| 00:59.19 | ged | lol wtf |
| 00:59.32 | conreyt | sweatpea: good luck! |
| 00:59.35 | ged | should i just manually download and install the packages? |
| 00:59.38 | hebraico | how can I recover the boot, is using grub |
| 00:59.47 | Klowner_ | cheal: shows my installed, and candidate versions, and version table stuff |
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| 01:00.06 | evaded | ged: Or you download the deb of backports 'libtorrent6_0.8.5-0bpo1_i386.deb' and 'rtorrent_0.4.5-0bpo1_i386.deb' and then install it with 'dpkg -i <package.deb>' |
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| 01:00.10 | cheal | Klowner_: ...impressive |
| 01:00.15 | evaded | ged: It's been installed now here |
| 01:00.19 | Klowner_ | cheal: what am I looking for specifically? |
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| 01:00.49 | cheal | Klowner_: nothing, just show us the output of that command and we'll ask followup questions |
| 01:01.04 | Klowner_ | cheal: ok, well it's about 9 lines |
| 01:01.05 | ged | hmm |
| 01:01.19 | miki2 | stew: i dont know if this can help, but check this out if u can - 2.4.27 (http://pastebin.com/666276) and 2.6.8 (http://pastebin.com/666277) |
| 01:01.49 | cheal | !tell Klowner_ about paste |
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| 01:01.56 | BreiteSeite | Hi |
| 01:02.10 | magyar | stew: is sidor etch for ia32 port working ok with the new X? |
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| 01:02.35 | BreiteSeite | I want to change or delete the welcome message when i connect to a server with SSH, can anybody help me? |
| 01:02.37 | aidan | I'm trying to get spamassasin working with postfix, amavis and dovecot. I've installed all 3, but I don't think anything is happening. How do I check? The amavis log file doesn't have any information about processing emails in it, just startup stuff |
| 01:02.47 | aidan | BreiteSeite: vi /etc/motd |
| 01:03.07 | BreiteSeite | THX! aidan |
| 01:03.15 | aidan | :) |
| 01:03.21 | Klowner_ | cheal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2376 there ya go |
| 01:03.31 | hebraico | Stew |
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| 01:03.55 | BreiteSeite | Big Thx for the fast help... :) |
| 01:03.57 | stew | magyar: yes, both |
| 01:04.12 | cheal | Klowner_: well, your problem is due to the fact that you have a gcc-3.3-base version not from stable |
| 01:04.25 | Klowner_ | cheal: that's peculiar |
| 01:04.45 | magyar | stew: i guess amd64 is not so easy to port |
| 01:05.14 | sweatpea | Hi again, its the unbuntu newb, it doesn't look like there is anyone else at #unbuntu, any other suggestions? |
| 01:05.27 | Coweater | try #ubuntu |
| 01:05.53 | sweatpea | ah it is all in the spelling. |
| 01:06.16 | Klowner_ | cheal: oh well, at least I have a reason for it, thanks for your assistance |
| 01:06.24 | hebraico | Stew how can I recover my boot? |
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| 01:10.00 | zrin | what is the name of the partitioning tool included in the installer, or, how can I use it afterwards? |
| 01:10.39 | pressureman | quick question: what is the url for finding "why isn't package x in -testing" that shows the outstanding criteria why a package hasn't transitioned from unstable to testing? |
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| 01:10.49 | m1ke_l | how can i not have a kbd driver? |
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| 01:10.50 | pressureman | i remember seeing it once before |
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| 01:10.59 | cheal | !tell pressureman about why is foo not in testing |
| 01:11.04 | jshriver | what would cause FATAL: Error inserting sis5513 (/lib/modules/2.6.11.6/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/sis5513.ko): Invalid module format |
| 01:11.10 | jshriver | I just compiled and installed it |
| 01:11.19 | pressureman | thanks cheal |
| 01:11.25 | cheal | jshriver: which kernel do you use? |
| 01:11.36 | jshriver | 2.6.11.6 |
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| 01:12.05 | cheal | jshriver: ...you really such an old kernel :? |
| 01:12.36 | jshriver | well it's the most stable for this system.. was running 2.6.16.1 but had problems |
| 01:13.15 | hebraico | hi |
| 01:13.49 | nn2067 | hi |
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| 01:14.07 | nn2067 | what do you think of knoppix |
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| 01:14.12 | nn2067 | ?? |
| 01:14.13 | cheal | jshriver: oh, you compiled a custom kernel? |
| 01:14.15 | whatbaby | hello |
| 01:14.17 | jshriver | yeah |
| 01:14.21 | jshriver | always do |
| 01:14.40 | tehbio | What's the current sarge kernel ver? o.O |
| 01:14.41 | jshriver | make menuconfig is my friend :) |
| 01:14.52 | whatbaby | ?? repositories |
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| 01:15.17 | whatbaby | :x |
| 01:15.21 | whatbaby | !repositories |
| 01:15.27 | ultimated | Which firewall does debian come installed with? |
| 01:15.30 | nn2067 | hi , peoro and ultimated |
| 01:15.34 | whatbaby | o0 |
| 01:15.35 | whatbaby | 0o |
| 01:15.36 | bbrazil | ultimated: it doesn't |
| 01:15.40 | whatbaby | ?help |
| 01:15.44 | bbrazil | ultimated: I suggest shorewall |
| 01:15.52 | evaded | whatbaby: stop |
| 01:16.01 | miki2 | hey, my USB aint working on 2.6.8 kernel, but its working on 2.4.27, i found differences in /boot/config-(your kernel here) file(in USB HOST), if anyone would care to look into both and then tell me how to make em look similar :D |
| 01:16.02 | evaded | whatbaby: msg the bot in private |
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| 01:16.16 | pepo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.23 | whatbaby | evaded well if i know whta is the bot ... is great :\ |
| 01:16.26 | ultimated | well problem is: that i install pure-ftpd and now i can't login it used to work before people suggested it might be firewall? |
| 01:16.29 | evaded | whatbaby: /msg dpkg whatever |
| 01:16.40 | whatbaby | os check thanks :p |
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| 01:17.30 | evaded | !tell whatbaby about help |
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| 01:18.02 | cheal | jshriver: I don't know. |
| 01:18.45 | hebraico | who can help me with boot problems? |
| 01:19.08 | jshriver | cheal, well appreciate it though :) |
| 01:20.15 | evaded | !tell hebraico about ask |
| 01:20.16 | gnufan | hebraico: cobbler? /msg dpkg ask |
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| 01:20.49 | pepo | any idea with error running modprobe -v sata_sail ? |
| 01:21.08 | gnufan | pepo: tell us the error - we may be able to help |
| 01:21.13 | vars | my /etc/resolv.conf keeps rewriting to some windows SH** |
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| 01:21.52 | vars | i have a script that rewrites the nameserver 4.2.2.1 |
| 01:21.57 | pepo | gnufan, i am trying to detect disk |
| 01:22.02 | vars | but it gets re written a lot |
| 01:22.03 | pepo | for install |
| 01:22.43 | gnufan | vars: put them in the DHCP Client conf, as an override |
| 01:22.54 | sanmarcos | !start editor war |
| 01:22.57 | gnufan | vars: assuming it is dhcp overwriting it |
| 01:23.26 | gnufan | !start an editor war |
| 01:23.26 | dpkg | ae blows |
| 01:23.30 | stew | Heartsbane: had you recently upgraded your kernel? |
| 01:23.33 | vars | search mshome.net |
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| 01:23.45 | hebraico | I have a problem with boot loader |
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| 01:23.56 | stew | err |
| 01:24.02 | gnufan | vars: same answer - different directive ;) |
| 01:24.05 | stew | hebraico: had you recently upgraded your kernel? |
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| 01:24.07 | evaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.11 | hebraico | nope |
| 01:24.17 | evaded | !editor war |
| 01:24.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice |
| 01:24.17 | vars | gnufan, how do i ectit the DHCP? |
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| 01:24.23 | hebraico | some one enter and play with my debian OS |
| 01:24.24 | stew | hebraico: what had recently changed? |
| 01:24.32 | miki | http://pastebin.com/666276 <-- working USB http://pastebin.com/666277 <-- current not working USB, anyone can help me to get my USB to work? |
| 01:24.35 | evaded | hebraico: Kill him! |
| 01:24.39 | sanmarcos | vim is the best |
| 01:24.42 | stew | hebraico: try booting with vga=ask maybe? |
| 01:24.42 | gnufan | vars: man dhclient.conf |
| 01:24.50 | hebraico | the last administrator enter and play with the system....now I have that problem |
| 01:24.50 | stew | sanmarcos: please don't troll in here |
| 01:24.52 | vars | gnufan, thanks |
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| 01:25.07 | evaded | hebraico: How you know that? |
| 01:25.08 | gnufan | vars unless it is your server of course - then fix the server - but I'm assuming not. |
| 01:25.35 | hebraico | because was working , then I saw he entered and then I lost my root password,then the computer restart and |
| 01:25.35 | vars | i go through a DSL modem |
| 01:25.38 | hebraico | the problem appear |
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| 01:25.56 | vars | where is the dhclient.config? |
| 01:26.01 | evaded | hebraico: If you had see it, why have you not kill him?? |
| 01:26.08 | hebraico | if I could have a boot recovery or repair, or something like that, will be helpful |
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| 01:26.12 | evaded | vars: locate?? |
| 01:26.14 | stew | vars: /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 01:26.41 | sanmarcos | vars: man whereis |
| 01:26.41 | hebraico | because this world is like a carrusel....sometime we will met again... |
| 01:26.49 | tvon | Is there an existing script/app to find files that do *not* belong to packages? |
| 01:27.03 | tvon | Namely, I want to find files leftover from locally installed (from source) apps |
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| 01:27.11 | stew | gnufan: nobody cares |
| 01:27.13 | tvon | basically a "hey, I made a mess, now I wanna clean it up" problem... |
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| 01:27.26 | hebraico | I don't want to pay with violence to him...only peace |
| 01:27.40 | gnufan | tvon: you can list all files, and get list using "dpkg -L" and sort, and diff I guess |
| 01:27.41 | Marshmellow | !snort |
| 01:27.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, snort is a GPL-licensed open source network intrusion detection system. Snort is capable of performing real-time traffic analysis and packet logging on IP networks. It can perform protocol analysis, content searching/matching and can be used to detect a variety of attacks and probes, such as buffer overflows, stealth port scans, CGI attacks, SMB probes, OS fingerprinting attempts, and much more. http://snort.org |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | !tell Marshmellow about snort |
| 01:27.55 | Marshmellow | awsome. |
| 01:28.07 | Marshmellow | so snort can protect me from portscans? |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | ask #snort ? |
| 01:28.18 | Marshmellow | alright. >.> |
| 01:28.21 | tvon | gnufan: yeah, I was thinking something like that as a last resort, but it sounds like it might be the only option |
| 01:28.30 | hebraico | there is some boot recovery or repair? |
| 01:28.51 | stew | hebraico: you don't need it, your machine is booting as you said |
| 01:29.02 | stew | hebraico: you are having a prolbem sometime after boot |
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| 01:29.23 | hebraico | yeap, is stay only with the cursor blinking, and black display |
| 01:29.25 | stew | hebraico: what version of debian is it running? |
| 01:29.26 | gnufan | tvon: of course some files are created by package install scripts or by running packaged programs and not "in the package" |
| 01:29.26 | hebraico | nothing else |
| 01:29.53 | hebraico | Its old, I'm not sure, because I just take the controll of the servers... |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | damiaan: everything going happily along? |
| 01:30.02 | gnufan | tvon there was a fingerprinting project, don't know if they ever did Debian |
| 01:30.29 | hebraico | you know voicemaster? its come up with the debian booting |
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| 01:31.05 | hebraico | if I use kannopix, how can I solve the boot problem? |
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| 01:31.23 | dn4 | does anyoen know how to |
| 01:31.23 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:31.24 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | dn4: no |
| 01:31.29 | vars | i am not finding /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 01:31.32 | stew | hebraico: figure out what from /etc/rcS.d or /etc/rc2.d is making it stop |
| 01:31.37 | dn4 | compile statically (built-in, not as module) the support for your hard drive's controller and for your root file-system. |
| 01:31.51 | abrotman | dn4: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 01:32.00 | dn4 | I am having problems with initrd |
| 01:32.03 | dn4 | abrotman, yes I am |
| 01:32.04 | hebraico | in /etc/rc |
| 01:32.09 | hebraico | is the booting process? |
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| 01:32.29 | vars | is there a way to make it so my /etc/resolv.conf can't be written by anything |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | dn4: WHY? .. not are you :) |
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| 01:33.03 | lex | (Horrybly off topic) Who do i have to blow to get an orkut invite anyhow? |
| 01:33.14 | gnufan | vars probably not without making something vital break |
| 01:33.16 | stew | hebraico: it runns /etc/rc.d/S* in order, then /etc/rc2.d/S* ; console-screen could be causing problems |
| 01:33.30 | lex | It seems many foss projects have an okut group... mhm. |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | lex: wrong channel ? |
| 01:33.38 | stew | hebraico: if you are running testing then /var/log/dpkg.log would list the recently installed packages |
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| 01:33.41 | lex | abrotman, i know... ill hush |
| 01:34.03 | dn4 | abrotman, the current kernel I am using does not have the sources avaliable to me so it makes it impossible for me to compile the latest alsa drivers which will potentially help me get my soundcard working. |
| 01:34.05 | stew | hebraico: you might also look through /root/.bash_history to see what has been done |
| 01:34.13 | hebraico | ok |
| 01:34.25 | abrotman | dn4: uhm .. yes it does |
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| 01:34.34 | abrotman | dn4: uname -a |
| 01:34.45 | dn4 | Linux demudi 2.6.12-3-multimedia-k7 #1 Thu Jun 23 12:52:11 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:34.47 | hebraico | Stew thanks for help!!!! |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | dn4: that's not a debian system |
| 01:35.06 | stew | dn4: demudi is off-topic here |
| 01:35.14 | tehbio | Is there a good .iso burning software? |
| 01:35.20 | abrotman | dn4: regardless ... apt-cache search linux-source .. or linux-headers |
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| 01:35.34 | abrotman | dn4: i think demudi has some active mailing lists .. ask them |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | tehbio: tons |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | tehbio: gnome? kde? something else? |
| 01:35.52 | tehbio | abrotman, Name a good Gnome one? |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | gnomebaker |
| 01:36.05 | tehbio | abrotman, Thanks |
| 01:36.08 | woanso | how do i install source files such as of type .tar.gz as debian packages? |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | !tell woanso about mg |
| 01:36.31 | gnufan | woanso: what are you installing? |
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| 01:36.32 | stew | woanso: /msg dpkg mg |
| 01:36.45 | dn4 | gotta make it all built in because of initrd |
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| 01:37.58 | abrotman | no |
| 01:39.09 | dn4 | abrotman, the low-latency kernel building how to says so |
| 01:39.17 | miki | http://pastebin.com/666276 <-- working USB http://pastebin.com/666277 <-- current not working USB, anyone can help me to get my USB to work? |
| 01:39.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | dn4: demudi is OT here .. |
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| 01:42.44 | k-man | how do i make debian lookup nmb names from the command line... |
| 01:42.56 | k-man | ie ping xyz will lookup a nmb name of xyz on the network? |
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| 01:44.34 | abrotman | k-god: you need samba |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | nmbd iirc |
| 01:47.17 | k-man | um |
| 01:47.31 | k-man | theres some other thing i installed a while ago |
| 01:47.39 | k-man | wich did it, but i forget the name |
| 01:47.40 | Daedalus_ | Does anyone know of a way to copy a debian box's configuration to another machine? eg: cause all the packages on machine X to be installed on machine Y. I don't care about the user configured things. |
| 01:48.49 | Marshmellow | hey what was the command to portscan? |
| 01:48.59 | Daedalus_ | Marshmallow: nmap? |
| 01:49.44 | Marshmellow | thanks |
| 01:49.45 | oogy | tired of these motherfuckin snakes |
| 01:50.03 | Marshmellow | ahh so nice. |
| 01:50.03 | Marshmellow | :] |
| 01:51.57 | stew | Daedalus_: /msg dpkg selections |
| 01:52.10 | tehbio | I just installed Samba and ran smbpasswd, everything executed fine but what would the username be for a windows user to access it? |
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| 01:53.23 | oogy | smbpasswd -a username am i right |
| 01:54.00 | tehbio | oogy, You are, thanks. |
| 01:54.08 | oogy | hooray i answered a question |
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| 01:54.57 | nse | Daedalus_: there is a way to do what you want to do. people told me once, i just can't remember now. but if you google it you'll find |
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| 01:55.49 | nse | Daedalus_: something like a list os packages will be generated. then you use this list to restore the orginal packages but NOT their configurations |
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| 01:56.03 | stew | nse: /msg dpkg selections |
| 01:56.08 | minimus | hi, I installed the testing distribution, and now, when I run GTK based programs, they dump weird error/warning messages in the console, like: Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_get_depth: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed. |
| 01:56.13 | minimus | any ideas? |
| 01:56.28 | oogy | do they work |
| 01:56.32 | nse | stew: i didn't see :P |
| 01:56.33 | abrotman | gdk makes lots of things like that |
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| 01:56.58 | minimus | i didn't see those before, but yea, the application works. |
| 01:57.05 | oogy | then who cares X_X |
| 01:57.16 | oogy | dont disturb something that works |
| 01:57.24 | oogy | the universe will topple on itself if youdo |
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| 01:57.54 | minimus | hrrmm, it dumps those errors all the time, so it looks like something serious |
| 01:58.53 | abrotman | minimus: nope .. not usually |
| 01:59.08 | oogy | its just being a drama queen |
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| 01:59.15 | oogy | the best way to make problems go away is to ignore them |
| 01:59.36 | romulo | hi, anyone here using bcm43xx? im having some problems with it, it recognizes my card(turn the light on) but i cant find my lan |
| 01:59.56 | cafuego | romulo: Got firmware? |
| 02:00.02 | romulo | cafuego, yes. |
| 02:00.24 | romulo | cafuego, i set my essid, and then it gets the wrong access point |
| 02:00.41 | romulo | it says xx:xx:xx:xx:58 but infact it is xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:5 |
| 02:00.45 | romulo | 57* |
| 02:01.03 | Marshmellow | hey what are the ports to SVN? |
| 02:01.26 | evaded | romulo: 'iwlist wlan0 scan' |
| 02:01.33 | unforgettableid | Marshmellow: did you check your /etc/services file? |
| 02:01.42 | romulo | evaded, it doesnt find anything |
| 02:01.43 | romulo | no reuslts |
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| 02:02.08 | Marshmellow | uhh |
| 02:02.10 | Marshmellow | dont think so sec |
| 02:02.19 | evaded | romulo: You're access point know you and authorisate you? |
| 02:02.25 | romulo | yes. |
| 02:02.28 | Marshmellow | found it |
| 02:02.28 | Marshmellow | thakns! |
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| 02:02.38 | romulo | evaded, on #bcm-users says bcm4318 is broken |
| 02:02.43 | romulo | is it on 2.6.15? |
| 02:03.02 | unforgettableid | Marshmellow: np |
| 02:03.03 | evaded | romulo: I guess testing?? |
| 02:03.06 | romulo | mine is 4318 |
| 02:03.07 | romulo | =p |
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| 02:03.21 | Marshmellow | well |
| 02:03.26 | Marshmellow | trynna svn update its not working here haha |
| 02:03.29 | neoxan | sex |
| 02:03.36 | Ronin | no thanks neoxan |
| 02:03.39 | evaded | romulo: Wait a bit or try to find the problem |
| 02:03.48 | neoxan | mean |
| 02:03.50 | neoxan | :( |
| 02:04.01 | Marshmellow | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/ea/trunk' |
| 02:04.03 | Marshmellow | hmm |
| 02:04.09 | romulo | i see |
| 02:04.15 | evaded | neoxan: Google it on 'tgp' |
| 02:04.30 | evaded | neoxan: And you got free sex :-) |
| 02:04.53 | neoxan | cool thx |
| 02:05.02 | unforgettableid | Marshmellow: may i ask the backstory i.e. what are you using svn to do? |
| 02:05.18 | miki | http://pastebin.com/666276 <-- working USB http://pastebin.com/666277 <-- current not working USB, anyone can help me to get my USB to work? |
| 02:05.35 | evaded | neoxan: It's my teacher that have told me that ;-) |
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| 02:05.58 | abrotman | miki: ask #kernel ? |
| 02:05.59 | evaded | neoxan: Tempory Gallery Post, or somethings else |
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| 02:06.31 | miki | abrotman: fine.. |
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| 02:07.57 | wimp | I have the nvidia drivers installed on a debian system; can I somehow get OpenGL output w/o running X windows? I.e. go directly from console -> OpenGL and skip out Xwindows |
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| 02:08.14 | myboxen | evening all |
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| 02:08.39 | superlinux | hi |
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| 02:08.58 | unforgettableid | hi |
| 02:09.21 | superlinux | myboxen, it's dawn here in Lebanon,middle east |
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| 02:09.35 | superlinux | i have just done my prayers |
| 02:09.55 | myboxen | MAEN superlinux |
| 02:10.01 | whatbaby | someone knows one good place to newbies single stuff ... only desktop like watch dvds this stuff ... |
| 02:10.01 | evaded | superlinux: And have help that? |
| 02:10.25 | abrotman | !ask |
| 02:10.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:10.33 | myboxen | yes, www.tldp.org, and tuxmagazine.com |
| 02:10.38 | Daedalus_ | msg dpkg selections |
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| 02:10.46 | Daedalus_ | D'oh |
| 02:11.01 | myboxen | whatbaby: that message from me was for you |
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| 02:11.11 | whatbaby | myboxen thanks :p |
| 02:11.16 | whatbaby | i got it :p |
| 02:11.24 | Daedalus_ | stew: thanks |
| 02:11.38 | myboxen | tuxmagazine.com is free, magazine spcifically focused on new users, all you need is a valid email |
| 02:11.44 | myboxen | 12 issues up htere right now |
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| 02:12.10 | rredd4 | !trackpad |
| 02:12.24 | unforgettableid | myboxen: even to ppl in canada? |
| 02:12.34 | myboxen | sure, why not |
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| 02:12.44 | evaded | rredd4: Play with it in privee |
| 02:12.45 | Guerin | myboxen: don't spam the channel |
| 02:12.45 | unforgettableid | rredd4: instead please use /msg dpkg trackpad |
| 02:12.58 | myboxen | I don't remember seeing anything about having to live in hte US |
| 02:13.10 | unforgettableid | myboxen: can you join me in #debian-offtopic |
| 02:13.11 | rredd4 | i did thought i was doing something wrong, no info |
| 02:13.18 | rredd4 | sorry |
| 02:14.05 | Daedalus_ | rredd4: if dpkg doesn't have anything to say about it, then it has no info to tell you. |
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| 02:14.31 | rredd4 | darn... |
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| 02:14.53 | superlinux | evaded, yea it helped me |
| 02:15.17 | superlinux | evaded, i wanna upgrade my kde desktop at once how? |
| 02:15.28 | Lanz | Hey guys, I did an upgrade tonight to sid and got a bunch of wierd dpkg errors relating to fonts. |
| 02:15.28 | superlinux | what shoud i apt-get? |
| 02:15.48 | evaded | superlinux: What arer you running? |
| 02:15.57 | Lanz | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:16.05 | Lanz | Its reallystrange. |
| 02:16.09 | superlinux | evaded, my PC LOL! |
| 02:16.24 | superlinux | what is the pkg name? |
| 02:16.25 | evaded | superlinux: I mean Stable/Testing/Unstable |
| 02:16.30 | superlinux | stable |
| 02:16.33 | Lanz | Over and over it spams "dpkg: error processing <packagename>" |
| 02:16.50 | superlinux | evaded, stable sarge |
| 02:16.53 | Lanz | Bunch of xfonts stuff. |
| 02:16.53 | Guerin | Lanz: that's not spam, that's an informational message you'd be wise to read |
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| 02:16.58 | Marshman | lol |
| 02:17.01 | evaded | superlinux: Probably there are not an newer version. There are only one |
| 02:17.03 | Marshman | so im running apf hmm, it won't let me run svn update. |
| 02:17.08 | Marshman | i turn apf off and it works |
| 02:17.09 | Lanz | Guerin: yeah but I can't fix it. |
| 02:17.23 | Guerin | Lanz: neither can we unless you tell us the actual error |
| 02:17.25 | Lanz | Guerin: tried to force remove the packages with dpkg, but same error. |
| 02:17.34 | ice1963 | jest install etch |
| 02:17.35 | superlinux | well i notice the existance of bug fix releases |
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| 02:17.40 | evaded | superlinux: I have not been understand you, and what you will obtain |
| 02:17.40 | Lanz | Ok, where can I paste it? |
| 02:17.52 | Guerin | !paster |
| 02:17.52 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 02:17.58 | Lanz | Thanks. |
| 02:18.13 | unforgettableid | well.. sometimes. |
| 02:18.19 | evaded | superlinux: As root user 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'. That update the list of packages and then do an upgrade of it |
| 02:18.22 | Guerin | unforgettableid: my ills are caused by broken sid. How do backports help me? |
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| 02:18.35 | superlinux | evaded, cos i apt-get install kde which is a metapkg and it did not go thru the kde tree to upgrade kde |
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| 02:18.45 | unforgettableid | Guerin: if you used sarge it probably wouldn't've broken. :) |
| 02:19.02 | unforgettableid | Guerin: (that was a context-lacking guess btw) |
| 02:19.11 | evaded | superlinux: I not been understand you, try to use an decoder or so |
| 02:19.13 | Lanz | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2377 |
| 02:19.25 | Guerin | unforgettableid: heh |
| 02:19.27 | superlinux | evaded, so i have to select each pkg manually |
| 02:19.52 | Guerin | superlinux: the metapackage should depend on correct versions of a bunch of other packages |
| 02:19.54 | evaded | !tell superlinux about install kde |
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| 02:20.13 | evaded | superlinux: Is that what you want?? |
| 02:20.21 | superlinux | yea that's it |
| 02:20.23 | unforgettableid | i use kde-base, its nice and small. |
| 02:20.25 | superlinux | thanks guys |
| 02:20.39 | evaded | superlinux: Thanks to the 'decoder' ;-) |
| 02:20.49 | Guerin | kde ... small ... haha |
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| 02:21.00 | Lanz | Any ideas? |
| 02:21.08 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 02:21.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a dozen rabid dairy cows. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:21.13 | Guerin | mooh! |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | rabid cows? |
| 02:21.34 | unforgettableid | !moo |
| 02:21.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:21.41 | Lanz | Seriously now. |
| 02:21.47 | superlinux | evaded, it seems nothing to decoding maybe i ask in an arabic way using english.. got me.. |
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| 02:22.10 | evaded | superlinux: ;-) |
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| 02:22.36 | Marshman | hmm |
| 02:22.50 | superlinux | like frenched english writing LOL! |
| 02:23.02 | Lanz | I pasted it... http://channels.debian.net/paste/2377 |
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| 02:24.24 | superlinux | i know that's related to kdevelop, but if someone did that, how can i make kdevelop editor show me a list of methods available if i typed OBject-> ? like in MS visual C++ |
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| 02:24.39 | Guerin | oh christ |
| 02:24.49 | r3m | Hi i installed the eggdrop package, where is the config file... |
| 02:24.50 | Guerin | just use MS Visual C++ |
| 02:24.57 | Noboru | does debian have this feature that every virtual machine client run programs within in their own envrionment as much as IIS6.0 does ? or i should ask this in #apache ? |
| 02:25.09 | Guerin | r3m: man eggdrop, read the 'files' section |
| 02:25.15 | superlinux | i wanna program C++/QT on linux |
| 02:25.31 | Guerin | Noboru: your question comes with insufficient context |
| 02:25.48 | r3m | there is no files section |
| 02:25.55 | Guerin | r3m: then there are no files |
| 02:26.09 | Noboru | oh |
| 02:26.10 | shogunx | Guerin why tell him to use a piece of crap? |
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| 02:26.21 | Guerin | shogunx: because he clearly wants to use it. |
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| 02:26.31 | r3m | Guerin i doubt there is no file |
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| 02:26.53 | Guerin | shogunx: instead of learning how things are supposed to be done in his new environment, he wants a clone of the old one |
| 02:26.54 | r3m | how to get a list of the file installed by a package |
| 02:26.59 | shogunx | Guerin because he was looking for a feature? |
| 02:27.02 | Guerin | r3m: dpkg -L |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 02:27.02 | dpkg | ii <pkg> 3.3-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 02:27.32 | shogunx | Guerin thats a valid point... but he only has so many points of reference. |
| 02:27.35 | Guerin | shogunx: is kdevelop a clone of MSVC++? |
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| 02:28.10 | shogunx | Guerin its just a gui development environment. no more, no less. supports more languages i think. |
| 02:28.22 | DonkeyHote | is there a release notes section for the amd64 version/ |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 02:28.37 | Guerin | DonkeyHote: if there is, it will be at amd64.debian.net |
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| 02:28.38 | shogunx | Guerin whoever came up with the idea of programming with a mouse should be shot anyway, but that is beside the point. |
| 02:28.47 | Marshman | 334 |
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| 02:31.31 | anabain | dpkg, I have a weird problem. I'm running make menuconfig and get a bunch of errors: http://pastebin.com/666422, any ideas? |
| 02:31.41 | DonkeyHote | is etch the first version for amd64? |
| 02:32.03 | Guerin | DonkeyHote: the first 100% official version, yes |
| 02:32.11 | Guerin | DonkeyHote: which doesn't exist yet |
| 02:32.20 | dondelelcaro | DonkeyHote: you can get unofficial sarge amd64, though. |
| 02:32.28 | DonkeyHote | ok, I'm having some real trouble with the installation |
| 02:32.43 | Guerin | DonkeyHote: install i386 |
| 02:33.00 | DonkeyHote | I have a Sun built opteron box with SATA hard drives |
| 02:33.02 | dorileo | isn't there a vlc package to etch/sid/unstable? |
| 02:33.14 | CompWizrd | DonkeyHote: there's some installers with 2.6.12 or 2.6.15 kernels that can work a lot better, i did an install on a dual opteron 265, with 15x300 gig on a 3ware 9550sx.. all sorts of things that should have been show stoppers |
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| 02:34.21 | DonkeyHote | CompWizrd: Ok, I'll try to find one of those or do the i386 install. |
| 02:34.33 | dorileo | answering to myself: yeah there's :D |
| 02:35.09 | anabain | please, take a look at http://pastebin.com/666422 : I get this when doing make menuconfig |
| 02:35.14 | DonkeyHote | CompWizrd: after the installer exited (with no errors) and I rebooted, and it said it couldn't connect to a tty, and brought me to a busybox prompt |
| 02:35.41 | Guerin | DonkeyHote: #debian-amd64 |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | anabain: which compiler? and did you isntall build-essential ? |
| 02:36.11 | DonkeyHote | Guerin: ok. |
| 02:36.43 | Marshman | 234 |
| 02:36.43 | anabain | abrotman, how can I know it? have two compilers installed... |
| 02:36.46 | CompWizrd | although, the big showstopper left is it can't boot off the damn array, as i have a 4 tb partition, which you can't do with a msdos based partition table.. and you can't boot off GPT tables yet.. so i have a 60 gig hard drive with a 10 meg /boot partition on it, hanigng off the top of the rack case while i wait for my CF to IDE adapter, since the case was already full. |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | anabain: gcc -version |
| 02:37.01 | abrotman | Marshman: why do you keep spitting out numbers?\ |
| 02:37.25 | anabain | abrotman, gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (Debian 4.0.3-1 |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | and is build-essential installed? |
| 02:37.52 | hebraico | when booted with the kannopix, which HD is it? |
| 02:37.56 | hebraico | HDB6? |
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| 02:38.05 | abrotman | wtf is kannopix? |
| 02:38.10 | abrotman | there is knoppix and kanotix |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | and neither are on topic here :) |
| 02:38.19 | Straterra | hi guys |
| 02:38.29 | Straterra | i just installed debian |
| 02:38.34 | Straterra | but i cant find the start menu |
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| 02:38.37 | Straterra | where is it? |
| 02:38.47 | Menacer | hey wheres the start button god damn it i cant find it .... |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | in gnome? kde? what? |
| 02:38.57 | Straterra | abrotman, i dunno |
| 02:39.03 | Straterra | i just installed..and there is no start menut |
| 02:39.07 | macka | Straterra: might need to enable it? |
| 02:39.18 | stew | Straterra: are you in x or at a console? |
| 02:39.20 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
| 02:39.20 | Straterra | macka, is that in the registry? |
| 02:39.23 | zrin | how to get that nice partition tool that comes with install? |
| 02:39.27 | anabain | abrotman, but I have other stuff installed: gcc-3.3-base 3.3.6-13 gcc-3.4 3.4.6-1 gcc-4.1-base 4.1.0-1 libgcc1 4.1.0-1 |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | anabain: is build-essential installed ? |
| 02:39.40 | Menacer | Straterra macka are you guys asking wheres the start button ? because i haev that doubt too |
| 02:39.40 | bbrazil | zrin: cfdisk iirc |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | zrin: cfdisk ? |
| 02:39.42 | stew | Straterra: are you just here to troll? |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | stew: i'd bet money on it |
| 02:39.49 | macka | Straterra: can't remember. But if it is it'll be under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE |
| 02:39.56 | tim_flatus | Straterra, everything you know is wrong. |
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| 02:39.59 | Straterra | stew what? |
| 02:40.03 | Straterra | im serious...I can't find it |
| 02:40.07 | zrin | abrotman: is it cfdisk? I don't hink so :/ |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | Straterra: ask #slackware ? |
| 02:40.22 | stew | Straterra: what version of debian are you running? |
| 02:40.24 | Marshman | 254.06 |
| 02:40.25 | anabain | abrotman, this one? build-essential 11.2 |
| 02:40.25 | abrotman | zrin: which tool ? |
| 02:40.28 | Guerin | zrin: partman, i think |
| 02:40.31 | macka | heh |
| 02:40.33 | Guerin | parted? |
| 02:40.33 | Straterra | abrotman, hehe..you caught me :P |
| 02:40.36 | Straterra | I'm just messing around |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | zrin: ignore that question |
| 02:40.40 | bbrazil | zrin: there's only 4-5 fdisk variants, and I'm pretty sure it isn't fdisk or sfdisk |
| 02:40.42 | Straterra | Talk to you debian dudes later |
| 02:40.44 | hebraico | stew |
| 02:40.48 | Menacer | Straterra: im not kidding |
| 02:40.51 | stew | !ops Straterra is a self-confessed troll |
| 02:40.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Straterra is a self-confessed troll |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | Straterra: take menacer with you |
| 02:40.59 | debian | I'm not debian dudes |
| 02:41.13 | Menacer | stew: where is it come on .... |
| 02:41.22 | stew | Menacer: what? |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | stew: maybe you should append Menacer :) |
| 02:41.33 | zrin | bbrazil: during debian install, this tool also has "guided partitioning", and then there is a possibility to set up volumes for software RAID |
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| 02:41.46 | bbrazil | zrin: that's built into the installer iirc |
| 02:41.59 | zrin | bbrazil: thank you |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | macka: you got a crappy demonstration |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | macka: that's what you get for hanging out with slackware idiots |
| 02:42.23 | Straterra | abrotman, hey now |
| 02:42.25 | debian | !rofl |
| 02:42.25 | dpkg | i guess rofl is Rolling Over Fat Lesbian, or a Really Old Fat Lesbian |
| 02:42.35 | debian | ... |
| 02:42.38 | dondelelcaro | Straterra: windows, slackware, and whatevr else are OT here... |
| 02:42.40 | Straterra | I'm not too much of an idiot...I can handle a package manager that doesn't resolve dependencies for me |
| 02:42.43 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: forget rofl |
| 02:42.43 | dpkg | i forgot rofl, dondelelcaro |
| 02:42.44 | bbrazil | zrin: mdadm is probably your best bet |
| 02:43.02 | Straterra | And I can do all of my configuration without a GUI tool...soo... |
| 02:43.22 | dondelelcaro | Straterra: I'm glad for you, but that's totally OT here. |
| 02:43.24 | bbrazil | zrin: (for software raid) |
| 02:43.28 | anabain | abrotman, did you mean the package build-essential 11.2 ? I got this from dpkg -l |
| 02:43.34 | Straterra | dondelelcaro, my bad |
| 02:43.42 | abrotman | anabain: yes |
| 02:43.42 | Menacer | Hey this crap doesnt has a start button! windows is sure far better |
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| 02:44.00 | macka | abrotman: I tend to disagree with you there... Slack shits all over Debian |
| 02:44.08 | anabain | abrotman, then it's installed. Any ideas? |
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| 02:44.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@proxy.qtac.edu.au] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:44.13 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:44.36 | dondelelcaro | macka: you've been timed out for 10 minutes. Kindly review the FAQ for this channel, and stay on topic. |
| 02:44.52 | zrin | bbrazil: I managed to activate and mount VIA vt8251 RAID (on ASUS A8V-VM), but I'm not sure if I will be able to boot of it, and still, software RAID might be better choice for production machine |
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| 02:45.24 | shogunx | dondelelcaro give em hell |
| 02:45.37 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, I silenced it... |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: well .. yes .. but i still think it's a whole uni :) |
| 02:45.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: could be. *shrug*; there's only one of them here. |
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| 02:46.24 | shogunx | buhaha, not even universities can stand against the might of debian! |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: good enough :) |
| 02:46.40 | Straterra | Well...been nice talking to you Debian folks |
| 02:46.43 | bbrazil | zrin: if it's fake-raid, you're best off going for linux software-raid |
| 02:46.44 | Straterra | Until next time...have a nice evening |
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| 02:47.00 | anabain | ##linux |
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| 02:47.48 | abrotman | !find sys/types.h |
| 02:47.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sys/types.h' (6 of 20): (/usr/include/sys/types.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/share/cmix/shadow/sys/types.h) in devel/cmix ;; (/usr/share/cscc/include/sys/types.h) in devel/pnetc ;; (/usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/types.h) in devel/elks-libc ;; (/usr/include/diet/sys/types.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev ;; (/usr/m68hc11/include/sys/types.h) in devel/newlib-m68hc1x. |
| 02:48.09 | abrotman | well .. he should have libc6-dev |
| 02:48.15 | zrin | bbrazil: I assume fake RAID is when the RAID functions are in the driver and not in the firmware, but in this case there is RAID functionality in the firmware ... IIUC |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | anabain: you do have libc6-dev installed .. right? |
| 02:49.00 | dondelelcaro | zrin: the question is whether the raid card actually has a CPU to deal with the raid, or whether it needs to take over the host CPU to do its thing. |
| 02:49.04 | bbrazil | zrin: I'm not familiar with the card in question. Probably best to search the web for people having problems |
| 02:49.14 | anabain | abrotman, yes libc6-dev 2.3.6-5 |
| 02:49.21 | dondelelcaro | zrin: onboard raid is almost exclusively fakeraid. |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | anabain: well .. i'm pretty stumped now |
| 02:49.39 | anabain | Me too... |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | for SATA anyways ... |
| 02:49.49 | dondelelcaro | (unless the motherboard is in the $1K range) |
| 02:50.00 | zrin | bbrazil: it's in the southbridge, on board, and it does not have it's own cpu, that's for sure... |
| 02:50.25 | abrotman | anabain: i assume "El fitxer o directori no existeix" roughly means "The file or directory does not exist" ? |
| 02:50.39 | anabain | yes, ;) |
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| 02:50.49 | mo1991 | what's up with openoffice? |
| 02:50.54 | bbrazil | zrin: cpu is a strong term, fsm for the purposes of sata raid is probably more accurate ;) I'd say go for software |
| 02:50.55 | mo1991 | for amd64 |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | that's right folks .. i am bilingual! |
| 02:50.59 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: what about it? |
| 02:50.59 | mo1991 | opps wrong channel |
| 02:51.01 | zasz | lol |
| 02:51.13 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I meant with amd64 |
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| 02:51.16 | anabain | abrotman, catalan <->english, :) |
| 02:51.18 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: yes, what about it? |
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| 02:51.35 | dondelelcaro | anabain: NB, in the future, you can LANG=C foocmdthatproduceserror; which will help the rest of us |
| 02:51.36 | mo1991 | I still don't see it in the repository |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | anabain: hehe .. i thought it was spanish :) |
| 02:51.44 | Readon | hello, does any one work in embedded system with debian? |
| 02:52.00 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - at least I don't see an openoffice.org package |
| 02:52.03 | anabain | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 02:52.16 | mo1991 | just a lot of addon stuff for the non yet published openoffice.org - I think |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | anabain: does the file /usr/include/sys/types.h .. exist on your system ? |
| 02:52.32 | zrin | I plan several similar servers and I still did not decide between buying EUR 120 3ware RAID controller, using onboard SATA with SW-RAID and trying to use that onboard "fakeraid" |
| 02:52.33 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: because it's Architecture: sparc i386 powerpc; it'll need an upload to be built. |
| 02:52.42 | Guerin | !onboard |
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| 02:52.43 | dpkg | All onboard sound, video, raid, network and modem cards suck great big donkey balls, and there's nothing you can do about it. unless your time is worth nothing, give up and buy a real card. This goes triple for raid. see tardware |
| 02:53.09 | neoxan | party!!!1 |
| 02:53.09 | nse | what does $? means? |
| 02:53.10 | neoxan | :D |
| 02:53.11 | neoxan | :DDD |
| 02:53.14 | neoxan | sex! |
| 02:53.17 | iter | dpkg hear hear |
| 02:53.18 | neoxan | girls! |
| 02:53.19 | bbrazil | zrin: even raid cards can be fake-raid |
| 02:53.19 | neoxan | beer! |
| 02:53.20 | Guerin | nse: how much |
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| 02:53.26 | iter | onboard raid is going to hurt you |
| 02:53.26 | bbrazil | nse: return value of last command |
| 02:53.27 | dondelelcaro | nse: that's the exit code of the prevous invocation |
| 02:53.27 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - so How do i get it running on amd64? |
| 02:53.39 | mo1991 | can I apt-build the source? |
| 02:53.39 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: you either wait for it to be built, or you build it yourself |
| 02:53.40 | anabain | abrotman, no, it doesn't |
| 02:53.50 | zrin | bbrazil: I know... I'm pretty sure that 3ware is not fake |
| 02:53.59 | bbrazil | zrin: depends on the card aiui |
| 02:54.09 | iter | 3ware is a pretty good brand |
| 02:54.17 | stew | mo1991: last i heard openoffice.org was not going to be a trivial port to amd64, but that might have changed, ask #debian-oo |
| 02:54.18 | iter | if you pay more than $100 for it it's legit |
| 02:54.20 | nse | bbrazil, dondelelcaro: there are a lot of exit status right? the only i know is 0 and 1 |
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| 02:54.27 | bbrazil | nse: 0-255 |
| 02:54.34 | iter | in fact I dunno they even make a fakeo raid card |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | anabain: reinstall your libc6-dev package |
| 02:54.42 | dondelelcaro | nse: generally you only care about 0 and non 0. |
| 02:54.46 | bbrazil | iter: I've heard of it |
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| 02:55.05 | iter | are you sure it's not a .tw knockoff |
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| 02:55.15 | iter | 3wares |
| 02:55.16 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, I think it's the "java" issue... |
| 02:55.23 | bbrazil | iter: could be mixing it up with something else though, possibly promise |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | but there is java for x86_64 linux |
| 02:55.44 | CompWizrd | 3ware is nice, the 7xxx and 8xxx work fine with sarge's 2.4 install, don't remember if 9500 is supported with the 2.6 install |
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| 02:55.57 | stew | dondelelcaro: i remember _rene_ saying somehting to the effect that getting it building in amd64 was no problem at all, but getting it to actually do anything useful is going to take a while |
| 02:56.02 | CompWizrd | 9550sx's need a fairly modern 2.6.1x kernel(don't remember when support was added), or custom kernels |
| 02:56.15 | dondelelcaro | stew: hrm... could be. |
| 02:56.24 | CompWizrd | oddly enough, 3ware provides a debian installer for their 9550 card for both i386 and amd64 |
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| 02:56.47 | stew | CompWizrd: there are unoficial installers that will install a 9500 but you can't install it with an unoficial image yet. and you can add 6xxx and 5xxx to your list of decent cards that run well |
| 02:57.01 | zrin | CompWizrd: :) that's nicht to hear |
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| 02:57.22 | anabain | abrotman, I'll explain what I'm doing: I have tarred / and changed / partition from reiserfs to ext3, but this causes a kernel panic when booting the system, after having untarred / in the new ext3 partition, formerly in reiserfs. When I restore / in reiserfs, it works!! |
| 02:58.08 | bbrazil | anabain: is ext2/3 support compiled in your kernel? |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | anabain: do you sit around and whip yourself? |
| 02:58.38 | unix_infidel | only on easter. |
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| 02:59.15 | opteek | hey guys |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | anabain: so you can't reinstall libc6-dev ? |
| 02:59.23 | opteek | what command can I use to encrypt a string using crypt? |
| 02:59.36 | anabain | abrotman, yes, I'm doing it right now |
| 02:59.44 | stew | opteek: man mkpasswd |
| 02:59.47 | anabain | bbrazil, yes, it's compiled |
| 03:00.15 | bbrazil | anabain: what's the panic complaining about? |
| 03:00.30 | abrotman | wrong FS type when mounting / ? |
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| 03:01.38 | anabain | kernel panic - not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (8,5) |
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| 03:02.00 | abrotman | anabain: in your /etc/fstab .. did you change the type for / ? |
| 03:02.17 | CompWizrd | stew: ah, forgot about the 5's and 6's.. i get about 375 m/s read and 175 m/s writes on the 9550SX-16, so that's reasonable enough.. just have to get it to stop kicking drives out of the raid5 randomly |
| 03:02.44 | anabain | abrotman, yes |
| 03:02.55 | stew | CompWizrd: i had mine dropping drives a lot and i went through 2 cards 2 motherboards and 2 powersupplies before i got a new ups that fixed it |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | anabain: to what? |
| 03:03.10 | opteek | stew: what package is mkpasswd in |
| 03:03.11 | anabain | to ext3 |
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| 03:03.21 | CompWizrd | ah, i've got it plugged into the wall right now.. supermicro 932T case, tyan k8we motherboard, two opteron 265's |
| 03:03.39 | stew | opteek: whois ; /msg dpkg search |
| 03:03.45 | CompWizrd | 50A on the +12V, 36A on the +5V, 760 watt triple redundant power supply |
| 03:03.52 | CompWizrd | so i suspect SATA issues with the Maxline's and the 3ware |
| 03:03.57 | stew | why mkpasswrd is in the whois package is anyone's guess |
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| 03:04.21 | opteek | whois |
| 03:04.41 | stew | CompWizrd: i went so far as to put all the drives onto their own separate external powersupply that was way overrated, and only when i replaced the ups did it stop |
| 03:04.58 | CompWizrd | Stew: i should try putting it on a ups, actually.. i'm still testing the system out before putting any data on it |
| 03:05.01 | anabain | abrotman, If I boot with a initrd debian stock kernel, I get this: pivot_root: NO such file or directory /sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file! Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 03:05.06 | opteek | stew: I dont quite follow? dpkg is not responding to me |
| 03:05.11 | CompWizrd | it draws 360 watts at the wall when idle, 550W on startup |
| 03:05.15 | anabain | and I've also run MAKEDEV console |
| 03:05.15 | CompWizrd | (using a kill-a-watt) |
| 03:05.17 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 03:05.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html |
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| 03:05.33 | stew | !tell opteek about search |
| 03:05.45 | stew | opteek: it should tell you some ways you could have found this out for yourself in the future |
| 03:05.54 | opteek | thanks |
| 03:06.34 | anabain | abrotman, I know this postings, but nothing... |
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| 03:07.19 | abrotman | anabain: IIRC .. you have to boot the broken kernel .. then boot the liveCD .. and do what the email says .. then boot the "broken" kenrel again |
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| 03:07.31 | anabain | by the way, the System.map file for the custom kernel outputs a lot of reiserfs stuff, but nothing about ext3 nor ext2. Is that relevant? |
| 03:08.54 | opteek | stew: ive just read the man page for mkpasswd, and it seems all it does it generate passwords, i need to encrypt a password with crypt |
| 03:09.41 | anabain | abrotman, " you have to boot the broken kernel", how can I boot a broken kernel? |
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| 03:10.09 | stew | opteek: the only think mkpasswd is, is a frontend to crypt |
| 03:10.48 | oasiao | anyone here try fedoracore 5 yet? |
| 03:10.53 | mo1991 | dondelecaro - is the amd64 version of sarge different than pure 64 version? |
| 03:11.00 | abrotman | anabain: boot it til it fails |
| 03:11.09 | stew | oasiao: that's offtopic here |
| 03:11.30 | oasiao | OK well thats funny ..... |
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| 03:11.52 | nse | what does $1 means? |
| 03:11.55 | oasiao | im thinking about getting debian so im doing research so i dont think its off topic |
| 03:12.21 | stew | oasiao: go to ##linux if you want to compare different linux distros; /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 03:14.43 | oasiao | thanks |
| 03:15.36 | oasiao | i have a 64 bit arch does it matter if i get the x86 or not |
| 03:16.56 | jetscreamer | only if you want 64bit stuff |
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| 03:20.27 | oasiao | is it pretty much easy to install and does it have good driver support |
| 03:20.51 | anabain | scripts/Makefile.build:15: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16/fs/proc/Makefile: file or directory doesn't exist make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-2.6.16/fs/proc/Makefile'. Stop. |
| 03:20.51 | anabain | make[1]: *** [fs/proc] Error 2 |
| 03:20.51 | anabain | make: *** [fs] Error 2 |
| 03:20.57 | anabain | what does it mean? |
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| 03:23.02 | bucky | oasiao: if you like the install instructions then you'd probably like the distro |
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| 03:23.03 | bucky | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 03:23.06 | mXr | hi there. is it possible to do echo "mypackage hold" | dpkg --set-selections from within a postinst script? |
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| 03:24.02 | oasiao | bucky: ok thanks im reading it now |
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| 03:27.57 | r3m | bobot++ is good? |
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| 03:28.26 | Guerin | !good |
| 03:30.11 | bbeck | does anyone by chance have an example of /etc/ethers that dnsmasq can use? The documentation in dnsmasq.conf says it's pairs just like --dhcp-host options, but the --dhcp-host options aren't necessarily pairs |
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| 03:33.11 | LoneWlf | hello in linux land |
| 03:33.20 | Kevin` | hello |
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| 03:34.06 | tcsetattr | there is an ethers(5) man page documenting the format of /etc/ethers |
| 03:34.15 | LoneWlf | What's new and exciting? anything? |
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| 03:34.43 | Kevin` | I have a headache :) |
| 03:35.00 | LoneWlf | Does this fit the criteria above? |
| 03:35.31 | LoneWlf | I mean |
| 03:35.34 | LoneWlf | it sounds painful |
| 03:35.48 | LoneWlf | and the smiley at the end tells me, its probably repetative |
| 03:36.40 | techmanila | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 03:36.43 | techmanila | help |
| 03:36.48 | tim_flatus | LoneWlf, I have a new kernel, the forth I built this week. That is exciting. |
| 03:36.49 | LoneWlf | export CC=gcc |
| 03:37.09 | tim_flatus | Now I am trying to break it ;) |
| 03:37.12 | techmanila | can i fix this using apr-get? |
| 03:37.19 | techmanila | can i fix this using apt-get? |
| 03:37.20 | LoneWlf | tim_flatus : quit braggin... I haven't been able to get a homegrown kernel to work with my sata installation... I'm feeling very stupid |
| 03:37.21 | tcsetattr | apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:37.42 | tim_flatus | LoneWlf, :( |
| 03:38.03 | LoneWlf | tim_flatus : though that is exciting ;) |
| 03:51.19 | LoneWlf | tim_flatus : I've always liked it when I get a kernel all configured and at a 'go' status... its awesome, you're all he-man with "I have the POWER"! |
| 03:51.19 | techmanila | kernel update using apt-get? |
| 03:51.19 | LoneWlf | techmanila : where are you experiencing this error? |
| 03:51.19 | techmanila | using apache |
| 03:51.19 | techmanila | while installing apache |
| 03:51.20 | LoneWlf | techmanila : I mean, I've seen that before... mostly when performing a configure on a sun system where I've forgotten to tell it to use gcc |
| 03:51.20 | r3m | how to download source code from a pkg |
| 03:51.20 | techmanila | not yet... |
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| 03:51.20 | techmanila | just today |
| 03:51.20 | rumpl | apt-get source |
| 03:51.21 | LoneWlf | r3m: apt-get source <pkg-name> |
| 03:51.21 | r3m | thanks |
| 03:51.21 | SJr|nx | Short of actually switching to gnome, how can I change the skin GTK uses? |
| 03:51.21 | IceTox | Hey.. I have a problem with viewing websites with java content. I've ran 'java -version' and it seems I have java version 1.4.2. Is there any way to get Sun's JRE? |
| 03:51.21 | SJr|nx | Yes |
| 03:51.21 | SJr|nx | !tell IceTox java |
| 03:51.21 | LoneWlf | IceTox : I'm pretty sure the process is outlined on Sun's site at java.sun.com if you drill hard enough... or else there's that |
| 03:51.22 | IceTox | thanks SJr|nx |
| 03:51.22 | LoneWlf | !tell LoneWlf java |
| 03:51.22 | LoneWlf | moofasa! |
| 03:51.22 | LoneWlf | what do you mean target invalid |
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| 03:51.23 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 03:51.23 | LoneWlf | !tell LoneWlf help |
| 03:51.23 | SJr|nx | maybe we don't have permission |
| 03:51.23 | SJr|nx | /msg dpkg java |
| 03:51.23 | SJr|nx | read the java install one IceTox |
| 03:51.23 | LoneWlf | apparently I'm an 'invalid target' |
| 03:51.23 | IceTox | I'll go for the Sun's site as I didn't get no message from debhelper :-) |
| 03:51.23 | SJr|nx | IceTox there is a way to make a debian package, which you will want to use, as I had a heck of a time getting any F/OSS java stuff working |
| 03:51.23 | stew | !tell IceTox about java-package |
| 03:51.23 | IceTox | there ya go |
| 03:51.23 | IceTox | Well I'm sure you're way more experienced then me SJr|nx :-) |
| 03:51.23 | LoneWlf | !tell LoneWlf about java-package |
| 03:51.24 | LoneWlf | sweet |
| 03:51.24 | LoneWlf | good one stew |
| 03:51.24 | LoneWlf | that's nice |
| 03:51.24 | stew | LoneWlf: you can /msg the bot |
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| 03:51.24 | LoneWlf | You know, I'm pretty sure documentation is the most awesome thing I've ever read |
| 03:51.24 | LoneWlf | doesn't matter the author |
| 03:51.24 | LoneWlf | just... accuracy |
| 03:51.24 | tim_flatus | still plenty of xruns and subgraph timeouts. Bah. |
| 03:51.24 | LoneWlf | and then its all... aaaaaAAAAaaaAAA... (angels sing) |
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| 03:51.25 | LoneWlf | techmanila : so... um... you're trying to compile apache I take it? on a debian system? but WHY? |
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| 03:51.26 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 03:51.26 | Memphis | ayuda en debian |
| 03:51.26 | techmanila | ? |
| 03:51.26 | elPepo | which is better? apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:51.26 | mXr | is there any way at all that a package can set itself on hold via its postinst/whatever control files? |
| 03:51.26 | tim_flatus | next build I will try the -rt patch or maybe disable graphics accel. |
| 03:51.26 | madd_matt | I'm having an odd issue. Macromedia flash player doesn't output sound correctly in xfce, but works fine under kde. Under xfce, the sound is sped up in bursts then pausing |
| 03:51.27 | techmanila | built essentials works |
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| 03:51.27 | nse | !tell Memphis about es |
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| 03:51.27 | Memphis | ok |
| 03:51.28 | Memphis | bye |
| 03:51.28 | Memphis | thansk |
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| 03:52.03 | haitike | someone can help me with SCIM? |
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| 03:56.13 | jvives | hey guys! What is the easiest way to install java (SDK) into a debian... I found nothing by atp-cache :'( |
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| 03:56.53 | neoxan | fakeroot |
| 03:57.06 | stew | jvives: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 03:57.20 | jvives | stew: thx |
| 03:57.25 | madd_matt | Whats different in kde from gnome/xfce that flash would have messed up audio? I think flash accesses /dev/dsp directly, so would arts do anything? |
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| 03:58.56 | regeya | madd_matt: if you have arts enabled, and your soundcard isn't all that fancy, yes, arts could be blocking flash, I suppose. |
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| 03:59.21 | regeya | madd_matt: in all seriousness, unless you have a pressing need for arts, I'd disable it if I were you. |
| 03:59.27 | davidm | Hello to all you debiants! |
| 03:59.28 | madd_matt | I should restate, it works correctly in kde, and not in xfce/gnome |
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| 03:59.48 | liable | heh, debiants sounds kinda dirty. |
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| 04:00.24 | davidm | Just want to say hi and that I appriciate all the help you guys and gals give . |
| 04:00.26 | regeya | oh heh |
| 04:00.31 | mo1991 | can anyone here tell me the latest on openoffice for amd64? There are some packages but not openoffice.org or openoffice-bin in repository. Looks like ubuntu has openoffice on 64 bit? Not sure what's the latest |
| 04:00.47 | madd_matt | I use xfce4 as my desktop, however i have kde installed. I have the latest version (7.0.63) and am running 2.4.27-2 on sarge |
| 04:00.51 | TehDeuce | Hey. I've installed alsa, but sound still doesn't work on my computer. I've tried alsaconf, but it just gives me a bunch of "no module by that name found" messages and shuts down |
| 04:01.16 | liable | TehDeuce: what do you mean by installed alsa? what kernel? |
| 04:01.19 | marx | c;ear |
| 04:01.20 | davidm | sound on the mobo or a card/ |
| 04:02.11 | bucky | mo1991: there are no 64 bit packages for OOo.. whatever the version of OOo provided by the version of debian you're running in your 32 bit chroot is the latest version you can have |
| 04:02.13 | evaded | Is there an GUI for mencoder? I know really less about mencoder |
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| 04:02.30 | sanmarcos | what is ^[ ? |
| 04:02.42 | liable | ctrl+[ |
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| 04:02.58 | TehDeuce | I used apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. Sorry, but I'm not sure what kernel I'm using |
| 04:03.07 | liable | TehDeuce: uname -r |
| 04:03.08 | mo1991 | bucky - I am not running a chroot |
| 04:03.14 | swim | how do I use the kernel-patch-bootsplash package? |
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| 04:03.22 | madd_matt | evaded: acidrip or kmenc15 |
| 04:03.37 | diesel_ | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 04:03.38 | dpkg | somebody said 2006 key was apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 04:03.51 | evaded | madd_matt: Thanks, going to look for that ;-) |
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| 04:04.00 | mo1991 | bucky running amd64 - have everyhting but oo running - found mplayer, flash, etc packages on the web |
| 04:04.03 | madd_matt | evaded: apt-get install acidrip for the win |
| 04:04.14 | JeffH | How risky would it be to run testing on a production server? |
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| 04:04.36 | TehDeuce | liable: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:04.38 | mo1991 | bucky - aren't there version compiled for all rather than i386 that would work? |
| 04:04.50 | bucky | not that i'm aware of |
| 04:05.02 | liable | TehDeuce: ok, you need to either install the alsa-modules package for your kernel, or get a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:05.12 | swim | can anyone tell me how to use the kernel-patch-bootsplash package? |
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| 04:05.55 | TehDeuce | liable: How can I switch to the 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:06.09 | liable | TehDeuce: install it, and reboot into it. |
| 04:06.15 | swim | do I just install the package? |
| 04:06.31 | evaded | madd_matt: acidrip looks nice, after that i test that other one, hi is do it now ;-) |
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| 04:06.40 | liable | TehDeuce: have a read of the debian reference. its a good little .. erm .. reference :) |
| 04:06.44 | liable | !reference |
| 04:06.44 | dpkg | i guess reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 04:07.06 | madd_matt | evaded: you might want to read the mencoder page on the gentoo-wiki, you'll probably learn something or other from it too |
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| 04:07.42 | evaded | madd_matt: Have you the direct link ;-) or i can go to there but i know nothing about gentoo ;-) |
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| 04:08.00 | madd_matt | evaded, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mencoder_Introduction_Guide |
| 04:08.11 | evaded | madd_matt: That's quick :-) |
| 04:08.23 | madd_matt | i'm good ;) |
| 04:08.30 | madd_matt | firefox history :P |
| 04:08.41 | haitike | someone can help me with SCIM? |
| 04:08.55 | evaded | madd_matt: ;-) |
| 04:09.22 | davidm | Is it rude ti im in a debian box and chat on a winders box at the same time? |
| 04:09.36 | evaded | madd_matt: It's now 2 mins that i wait that my browser goes open lol |
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| 04:10.44 | davidm | is everyone afk or off doing osme privatechats? |
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| 04:11.08 | TehDeuce | liable: Thanks. I think I'm going to install the alsa-module package. After a short time with Gentoo, I want to stay as far away from recompiling the kernel as I can |
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| 04:11.13 | haitike | NOBODY SPEAK... |
| 04:11.47 | swim | has anyone ever even used the kernel-patch-bootsplash.deb? |
| 04:11.54 | liable | TehDeuce: with debian you dont compile them. you just install a precompiled image. its quite easy really. but if you want to stay with 2.4, no problem |
| 04:12.59 | haitike | madd_matt: Have you used SCIM? |
| 04:13.01 | madd_matt | On that topic, it seems to me like people don't generally compile their own kernels. Will i expierence any trouble if I do? Is there anything unusual that I should include? |
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| 04:13.19 | madd_matt | haitike, no. |
| 04:14.24 | davidm | I have a question. When i try and change my time, I enter my root pw and nothing seems to happen and I cannot change anything. |
| 04:14.52 | evaded | madd_matt: Looks nice that howto |
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| 04:16.14 | madd_matt | Does anybody know the command to produce a system beep? |
| 04:16.23 | bucky | haitike: the voices in my head keep screaming.. |
| 04:16.38 | TehDeuce | liable: Really? Do I just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686? Sorry for being a bit slow with this. I'm still fairly new to Debian (and linux in general) |
| 04:17.01 | bucky | TehDeuce: yeah.. if you have a p4 or similar |
| 04:17.12 | nvz | dpkg, beep |
| 04:17.12 | dpkg | well, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 04:17.12 | liable | TehDeuce: yep |
| 04:17.17 | bucky | TehDeuce: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 04:17.17 | nvz | madd_matt: ^^ |
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| 04:17.48 | bucky | TehDeuce: or apt-cache search kernel-image in sarge |
| 04:18.37 | madd_matt | nvz, printf "\a" does the trick for me :P, but beep looks good too |
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| 04:20.52 | tienchi | hi, someone can tell me how can i get my usb pen driver to work in Debian? |
| 04:20.56 | followmearound | is there any way to put a base install on debian onto a drive from an installed machine? |
| 04:20.58 | tienchi | please |
| 04:20.58 | LoneWlf | ok, new crowd, old issue... I installed 'linux-image-2.6.16' and then booted into it once, then I rebooted into my old kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386' and things that had been working stopped... usb things... coincidence? no..... |
| 04:21.09 | followmearound | I want to blast a basic install to this drive I currently have connected via usb |
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| 04:21.43 | LoneWlf | followmearound : dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 04:21.59 | LoneWlf | or is that a bad idea... *hrms* |
| 04:22.08 | LoneWlf | that works if the drives are the same size... |
| 04:22.11 | liable | !tell followmearound about hard drive upgrade |
| 04:22.22 | LoneWlf | !tell lonewlf about hard drive upgrade |
| 04:22.42 | TehDeuce | liable: Thanks for all the help. |
| 04:22.48 | liable | TehDeuce: np |
| 04:23.01 | followmearound | but I don't want to copy this install |
| 04:23.04 | followmearound | I want a fresh install |
| 04:23.26 | nvz | !debootstrap |
| 04:23.26 | dpkg | well, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 04:23.30 | liable | oh. |
| 04:23.49 | liable | where did caphuso go |
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| 04:24.20 | LoneWlf | virtual machine? |
| 04:24.25 | LoneWlf | iso's of debian install? |
| 04:24.33 | LoneWlf | I mean... dude... |
| 04:24.41 | followmearound | okay, finally found it |
| 04:24.50 | followmearound | LoneWlf, seriously, you're not helpful |
| 04:24.57 | davidm | How is everyone tonight? |
| 04:25.00 | LoneWlf | followmearound : sorry, what did you find? |
| 04:25.12 | followmearound | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 04:25.26 | rredd4 | using sarge, i did dkpg-reconfigure tpconfig. I set the tapmode=1 then rebooted. it still says "no tap gestures" |
| 04:25.29 | nvz | wtf! one of the modules on my google homepage has been "eliminated" |
| 04:25.32 | nvz | bastards |
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| 04:27.12 | techmanila | error: xml2-config not found, need help using apt-get |
| 04:27.24 | techmanila | i'm installing php 5 |
| 04:27.32 | LoneWlf | followmearound : sounds workable, but alot more work than installing a base image methinks... |
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| 04:28.02 | nvz | !info xfce4 |
| 04:28.10 | LoneWlf | followmearound : there I go being unhelpful again... srry, and thanks for the heads up on that link :) |
| 04:28.11 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs Xfce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.3 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 04:28.37 | techmanila | need help |
| 04:28.47 | techmanila | error: xml2-config not found |
| 04:29.15 | nvz | xfce 4.4 beta 1 (4.3.90.1) released 4/17 hasnt hit sid yet I guess |
| 04:29.35 | tienchi | hi, someone can tell me how can i get my usb pen driver to work in Debian? what is requist to get it work? please |
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| 04:30.47 | swim | hey folks, could anyone please tell me if there is a package like usplash for debian or some way of easily adding a bootsplash to debian? |
| 04:31.31 | nvz | !info bootsplash |
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| 04:31.52 | swim | !info bootsplash |
| 04:32.00 | swim | hmm nothing |
| 04:32.06 | davidm | Ima newbie, don't ask me. :) |
| 04:32.09 | nvz | dpkg, bootsplash |
| 04:32.09 | dpkg | [bootsplash] http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 04:32.59 | swim | thanks |
| 04:33.07 | davidm | But I will say this! I love Debian!!! Love it love it luv it! |
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| 04:33.23 | unix_infidel | hey swim |
| 04:33.29 | swim | hi unix_infidel |
| 04:33.34 | unix_infidel | back @ debian already? |
| 04:33.42 | Malder | having multiple virtual domains on my server I want seperate logs for each domain. Can I rotate the logs with one logrotate.d file? |
| 04:33.51 | swim | unix_infidel, yah I think I'll finally stick with it |
| 04:34.08 | unix_infidel | knew you'd come around at some point :p |
| 04:34.21 | davidm | Doean't anyone lese here love Debian? |
| 04:34.55 | Malder | I'm quite fond of debian.... |
| 04:35.00 | unix_infidel | lol, i love international news. |
| 04:35.03 | techmanila | error: xml2-config not found |
| 04:35.12 | unix_infidel | headline on the bbc, "chernobyl death figures "too low" |
| 04:35.14 | unix_infidel | LOL |
| 04:35.31 | davidm | Well, the peopel didnt die, they became mutants. |
| 04:35.35 | swim | unix_infidel, oh ive used it a lot in the past, but for somereason i thought there was something i could use like debian that might have more up to date packages... so basically i installed debian etch, and things seem somewhat up to date enough for me... and pretty damn stable too |
| 04:35.45 | davidm | Mutant does not equal dead. |
| 04:35.48 | swim | unix_infidel, do you have a bootsplash running with yout debian? |
| 04:35.50 | unix_infidel | swim: lol, way to finally take my advice. |
| 04:35.58 | zinx | davidm: dead in a few years equals dead |
| 04:35.58 | unix_infidel | swim: nah, why would i want boot splash? |
| 04:36.00 | davidm | mAYBE DEAD SOCIAL LIFE. |
| 04:36.09 | davidm | Opps sorry about caps |
| 04:36.15 | zinx | davidm: radiation can kill slowly too |
| 04:36.27 | davidm | I know i am being silly. |
| 04:36.27 | unix_infidel | davidm: what makes you think with all that mutation shit going on that you wouldnt produce more testosterone and be like super horny all the time. |
| 04:36.35 | unix_infidel | so its just like a buncha horny mutants. |
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| 04:37.02 | unix_infidel | </ot> :P |
| 04:37.18 | TehDeuce | I've switched to the 2.6 kernel and now alsaconf found my video card, but sound still doesn't appear to be working (as least not in flash...is there anywhere else I could test it?). |
| 04:37.19 | davidm | Hey, you can get a hyperactive thyroid with radiation. Maybe other things might go into overdrive. |
| 04:37.41 | swim | unix_infidel, answer to that... gnu/debian pride I guess? |
| 04:38.12 | zinx | davidm: you can get super strength and x-ray vision! |
| 04:38.14 | davidm | Debian is the shiznots! |
| 04:38.20 | davidm | Er Shiznits. |
| 04:38.26 | unix_infidel | i want to USE my system, and if it looks good while i'm USING it sure i dont mind. |
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| 04:38.51 | unix_infidel | swim: otherwise, its just eye candy i can do without. but then again, i run cmatrix for fun :) |
| 04:38.54 | swim | unix_infidel, each to his own... i want looks and useability |
| 04:39.02 | davidm | X-ray as in seeing or as in rays of X-rays that lash out and kill things? |
| 04:39.14 | swim | now back to bootsplash |
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| 04:39.40 | swim | weird that dpkg bot says that bootsplash.org has debian packages... i dont see any |
| 04:40.48 | davidm | I am using Debian for its ease of use and installing things and 15k apps to install with Package manager. |
| 04:40.51 | unix_infidel | is i just me or is the bbc pure nonsense now? |
| 04:41.48 | davidm | The BBC got comprimised long ago by Soviet spies who are now free lance socialists. |
| 04:42.31 | swim | !dpkg bootsplash |
| 04:42.31 | dpkg | hmm... bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 04:44.07 | davidm | I have a question... |
| 04:44.20 | davidm | I can log inot Package Manager but not the Synaptic Package Manager. |
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| 04:45.12 | usr13 | davidm: Re-phrase your question. |
| 04:45.30 | TehDeuce | Does anyone know of a way I could test if my sound is working? |
| 04:45.41 | davidm | When i try to log into Synaptic Package manager, It asks for root, I enter, and then it goes away and nothgn happens. |
| 04:45.51 | nimak | TehDeuce, play a song :-) |
| 04:46.14 | nimak | TehDeuce, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 04:46.21 | usr13 | davidm: are you sure you are entering the password correctly? |
| 04:46.31 | nimak | turn your volume down first, its the worst sound in the world |
| 04:47.08 | davidm | Prettydarn sure. I need to adjust the time and the same thing happens. |
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| 04:47.54 | usr13 | davidm: Wait. It asks for root password? Or... does it complain that you need to be root to do the task? |
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| 04:48.24 | davidm | Right click time, select adjust time. Root window shows up.... |
| 04:48.41 | davidm | Run as root KDE su window. |
| 04:48.43 | nimak | TehDeuce, does it work? |
| 04:49.04 | davidm | Run as root KDE su window shows up. |
| 04:49.12 | davidm | I enter. It goes away |
| 04:49.22 | davidm | I enter pw and then the window goes away. |
| 04:49.42 | TehDeuce | nimak: It doesn't seem to be working |
| 04:50.01 | nimak | TehDeuce, alsaconf usually helps |
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| 04:51.31 | TehDeuce | nimak: alsaconf detected my card, but it still won't play |
| 04:51.53 | usr13 | ? |
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| 04:52.26 | nimak | TehDeuce, make sure the volume is up, alsa defaults to having it turned all the way down and muted |
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| 04:52.43 | davidm | Kpackage works ok, But the Synaptic one, I nter the root pw and hit enther and nothign happens |
| 04:52.56 | davidm | And you cannot log into a Debian system as root from boot. |
| 04:52.57 | tirkal | hi. I'm on Debian |
| 04:54.00 | davidm | Welcome Tirkal. |
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| 04:54.00 | tirkal | hi davidm |
| 04:54.01 | lekvar | Has anyone else noticed firefox being stunningly slow lately? |
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| 04:54.30 | nimak | lekvar, sometimes |
| 04:54.35 | Kevin` | lately as in recent versions? |
| 04:54.40 | tirkal | my system is Debian-3.1 Sarge. I tried to install Ruby through apt-get. appearantly the most recent version available thus is 1.8.2. I need 1.8.4 (pretty recent; released about 2 months ago) |
| 04:54.46 | tirkal | what are my options? |
| 04:54.52 | wobbler | davidm, just su to root in a term and try synaptic i think its just a broken link |
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| 04:55.25 | tirkal | do I just download the source and build? what are the repercussions for the stability of the system? |
| 04:55.26 | nimak | tirkal, check testing? |
| 04:55.27 | davidm | Ok will try that |
| 04:55.32 | lekvar | I've got 1.5.0.1 still (etch)... with only 2 tabs open it's taken several seconds just to switch tabs... nothing else running but xterms really, and sawfish wm - not exactly hard work |
| 04:55.53 | TehDeuce | nimak: I used wmmixer to turn the volume up, but it still doesn't work. |
| 04:55.54 | lekvar | maybe it's the swf plugin |
| 04:56.15 | Kevin` | i'm using 1.5.0.1 and it's perfectly fast |
| 04:56.22 | tirkal | nimak: you mean, change the status of my system (from stable to testing)? would building from source be better? |
| 04:56.22 | nimak | lekvar, flash on linux does suck |
| 04:56.31 | davidm | :~# synaptic |
| 04:56.31 | davidm | (synaptic:1857): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 04:56.31 | lekvar | Kevin`: mine usually is too which is why i'm wondering |
| 04:57.06 | lekvar | I shall purge the swf-player plugin and restart just to see |
| 04:57.38 | Kevin` | I have swf and java plugin installed, fyi |
| 04:57.51 | nimak | tirkal, you might be able to use the package from testing, but i've heard its not a good idea to mix between stable, testing, and unstable |
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| 04:58.04 | tirkal | nimak: exactly, me too. |
| 04:58.18 | wobbler | davidm, interesting i havent seen that so i dont know |
| 04:58.19 | lekvar | Kevin`: only got around 128mb ram... |
| 04:58.25 | tirkal | that's why I'm wondering if building might be a good (or at least better) idea. |
| 04:58.39 | nimak | lekvar, firefox LOVES ram |
| 04:58.39 | davidm | Well, at least the normalpackage manager is working. |
| 04:58.52 | lekvar | nimak: so much for it being lightweight |
| 04:59.36 | tirkal | I don't absolutely need 1.8.4, but it would be a pain to use 1.8.2. so unless it's really a huge problem (for stability or security), I think I'll build it manually. |
| 04:59.45 | liable | davidm: dont start it as root |
| 04:59.47 | neoxan | CLEAN THE DISHES |
| 04:59.52 | liable | davidm: start it from the menu |
| 04:59.53 | davidm | I have to say, the sound quality from Audacity is quite good for playing MP#s. |
| 05:00.00 | neoxan | anyone knows how to download apt-get? |
| 05:00.07 | neoxan | apt-get install apt-get? |
| 05:00.12 | Kevin` | hah |
| 05:00.15 | nimak | haha |
| 05:00.18 | LordNazgul | tirkal the latest version in any branch is 1.8.2 (sarge, etch, or sid) so it looks like compile from source is your only option |
| 05:00.24 | Kevin` | how did you get stuck without it |
| 05:00.38 | Kevin` | how do I sort top by memory usage |
| 05:00.49 | tirkal | LordNazgul: thanks. |
| 05:00.50 | tcsetattr | apt-egg install chicken |
| 05:00.59 | liable | heh |
| 05:01.02 | Eulex | neoxan, apt-get is in apt. you'd need to use dpkg to install it. |
| 05:01.05 | LordNazgul | neoxan if you have an install cd around you could dpkg -i apt |
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| 05:01.18 | j0rd | anyone know howto use systemimager |
| 05:01.22 | liable | how the hell do you not have it? |
| 05:01.32 | j0rd | i'm having problems making it find my local.cfg from a mkautoinstallcd |
| 05:01.41 | davidm | I go to system, Synaptic Package manager,select it, window pops up for root pw. I enter, hit ok, it goes away without SPM showing. |
| 05:01.51 | nimak | Kevin`, hit O, then n |
| 05:02.40 | techmanila | update kernel using apt-get |
| 05:02.44 | techmanila | need help |
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| 05:03.18 | jshriver | Was wondering are there any calculators programs or something that you can use to calculate large values for linux? Think Maple, Matmatica etc can do it, but looking for something free and less robust. |
| 05:03.24 | lekvar | Incidentally, I've been trying to enable dvd playback on this thing but apparently its video ram is too cramped. How much video ram does it typically take to do this properly without having to switch modes? |
| 05:03.28 | Kevin` | heh firefox uses more ram then some of my computers have at all :/ |
| 05:03.42 | cleit0n | how i change gtk2 theme in etch.. no have gtk2-theme-swith |
| 05:03.53 | techmanila | anybody |
| 05:03.57 | techmanila | i need help |
| 05:04.10 | LordNazgul | techmanila ask your problem |
| 05:04.13 | LordNazgul | !ask |
| 05:04.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:04.15 | nimak | i dont remember firefox being this heavy |
| 05:04.16 | davidm | I need help to but I dont think there are any certified sez therapists here. |
| 05:04.23 | nimak | back around 0.8 |
| 05:04.26 | TehDeuce | nimak: Do you have any other ideas about how I could get sound working? |
| 05:04.33 | techmanila | what command to update kernel using apt-get |
| 05:04.51 | LordNazgul | what version are you running |
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| 05:04.57 | techmanila | 3.1 r1 |
| 05:05.03 | nimak | TehDeuce, whatever program youre using seems to think its working? |
| 05:05.08 | nimak | no errors? |
| 05:05.23 | techmanila | apt-get install kernel-source ? |
| 05:05.26 | TehDeuce | nimak: What do you mean? The mixer program? |
| 05:05.47 | lekvar | nimak: My firefox is eating 102m (34m res) for just one window... not running any themes or extensions either |
| 05:06.07 | techmanila | anybody? |
| 05:06.24 | lekvar | I bet that's almost as big as a microsoft version of xclock would be! |
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| 05:06.36 | nimak | TehDeuce, the player |
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| 05:07.20 | TehDeuce | nimak: I'm just trying cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp as you suggested, and it doesn't give me any errors |
| 05:07.31 | techmanila | !ask kernel |
| 05:07.31 | Kevin` | how can I enable anti-aliasing and stuff in opengl applications |
| 05:07.42 | techmanila | !ask |
| 05:07.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:07.42 | TehDeuce | nimak: Neither does firefox when I try to play a flash with sound |
| 05:07.50 | rohan | hi all, how do i enable autohinting ? i did dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, but it doesnt gimme the option to. this is a debian sid install with xorg7 |
| 05:08.18 | techmanila | I have a problem with kernel |
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| 05:08.59 | nimak | TehDeuce, flash used to screw up my sound, try killing firefox, then doing /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 05:09.01 | techmanila | how to ask dpkg |
| 05:09.08 | techmanila | anybody |
| 05:09.15 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.21 | rohan | I have a problem with fontconfig. I'm running Debian version unstable. when I try to do dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, I dont get the option to enable autohinting in fonts. I expected it to provide me with the option to enable autohinting in fonts. |
| 05:09.27 | rohan | thats fine, now ? ;) |
| 05:09.31 | Kevin` | but it doesn't mean ask dpkg |
| 05:09.35 | Kevin` | it means ask |
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| 05:11.14 | TehDeuce | nimak: still nothing |
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| 05:11.50 | nimak | TehDeuce, everything is good in hardware? |
| 05:12.26 | Kevin` | I hate when people ask if there are any 'experts' or 'gurus' available to help them with their simple question |
| 05:13.21 | jm_ | rohan: tried -plow? |
| 05:13.37 | TehDeuce | nimak: How so? Everything is connected correctly if that's what you're asking |
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| 05:13.54 | rohan | jm_: -plow to what ? dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 05:14.22 | nimak | TehDeuce, i have no idea now |
| 05:14.31 | jm_ | rohan: roha;it actually doesn't ask that, at least in Sarge, it only asks about hinting type |
| 05:14.34 | jm_ | doh |
| 05:14.40 | rohan | [rohan@debian ~]$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig -plow ---> doesnt ask too, insid |
| 05:14.48 | stew | rohan, jm_: low is the default priority anyway |
| 05:14.58 | rohan | oh, ok, stew |
| 05:15.02 | davidm | Night all, have fun and enjoy! |
| 05:15.07 | rohan | then how do i enable autohinting ? :x |
| 05:15.25 | nimak | TehDeuce, do you have an mp3 handy? |
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| 05:16.13 | jm_ | stew: sure, unless they have modified it |
| 05:16.24 | jm_ | or maybe not |
| 05:16.48 | TehDeuce | nimak: Not really. I could probably get one though. Why? |
| 05:17.20 | nimak | mpg123/mpg321 sometimes gives usefull error messages |
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| 05:17.26 | k-god | abrotman: Miskeyed k-man? |
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| 05:17.38 | stew | rohan: dpkg -L fontconfig-config turns up a /etc/fonts/conf.d/autohint.conf |
| 05:18.21 | LordNazgul_ | sorry my connection is on the fritz did someone answer his question about upgrading the kernel? |
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| 05:18.39 | rohan | stew: i think we need to somehow symlink something in /etc/fonts/conf.d , but i dont know what :( |
| 05:18.40 | jm_ | heh that would explain why it doesn't work, now I remember someone who failed to reconfigure proper package too |
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| 05:19.22 | stew | rohan: i have this in autohint.conf: <edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit> |
| 05:19.37 | stew | rohan: do you not have that? |
| 05:19.54 | rohan | yes, stew |
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| 05:21.33 | rohan | stew: but looking in /etc/fonts/conf.d leads me to believe that i need to symlink something :S |
| 05:21.51 | TehDeuce | nimak: Okay. I have an mp3 now |
| 05:21.57 | stew | rohan: no it looks like maybe you just have to rename it to start with a number, at lease according to the fonts.conf manpage, in the FILES section |
| 05:22.06 | rohan | oh, well, i did sudo ln -s autohint.conf 20-autohint.conf ... lets hope it works |
| 05:22.07 | stew | *least |
| 05:22.08 | rohan | oh, ok, stew |
| 05:22.27 | rohan | [rohan@debian ~]$ man fonts.conf |
| 05:22.27 | rohan | No manual entry for fonts.conf |
| 05:22.55 | nimak | TehDeuce, mpg321 <filename> and see what it says |
| 05:23.15 | cahoot | rohan: don't know if it's any important but here it's symlinked as 10-debconf-autohint.conf |
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| 05:23.26 | stew | rohan: fontconfig-config: /usr/share/man/man5/fonts-conf.5.gz |
| 05:24.30 | rohan | fontconfig-config is already the newest version. |
| 05:24.34 | rohan | are you on sid, stew ? |
| 05:24.45 | rohan | cahoot: aha thanks, but you are on sid ? |
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| 05:24.58 | cahoot | rohan: hmm - no - etch |
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| 05:25.06 | stew | rohan: yes, in etch the manpage is still fonts-conf(5) but its in the fontconfig pacakge not fontconfig-config |
| 05:25.18 | rohan | cahoot: doesnt matter, thanks ! :) |
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| 05:25.30 | rohan | stew: i am on sid :s and i dont have the man page |
| 05:25.32 | rohan | strange |
| 05:25.32 | TehDeuce | nimak: mpg3212: command not found. |
| 05:26.02 | stew | rohan: what does "apt-cache policy fontconfig-config" say for installed: and candidate: ? |
| 05:26.11 | deepspace | sys64738 |
| 05:26.33 | stew | TehDeuce: you mean mpg321? |
| 05:27.09 | rohan | fontconfig-config: Installed: 2.3.2-5.1 Candidate: 2.3.2-5.1 |
| 05:27.11 | TehDeuce | stew: Sorry about that...I can't type |
| 05:27.14 | jm_ | even Sarge has fonts-conf man page |
| 05:27.28 | nimak | TehDeuce, apt-get install mpg321 |
| 05:28.13 | rohan | bleh, i have fonts-conf |
| 05:28.19 | rohan | but not fonts.conf |
| 05:28.21 | TehDeuce | nimak: Done. Now it says a lot of stuff about the mp3 and then Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 05:28.43 | stew | rohan: they are symlinked for me on all three of sarge,etch,sid |
| 05:29.04 | nimak | TehDeuce, what output does /etc/init.d/alsa reload give? |
| 05:29.07 | rohan | stew: ah, strange :S |
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| 05:30.27 | rohan | debian doesnt honour the MANPAGER env. variable ? |
| 05:30.46 | rohan | i want vim to be my manpager so, in .bashrc i set |
| 05:30.46 | rohan | export MANPAGER="col -b | view -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist titlestring=MANPAGE' -" |
| 05:30.55 | khert | hey, what's the best way to record from my tv to my laptop? is there a piece of hardware that i can use to digitize the tv signal? |
| 05:30.56 | nimak | TehDeuce, paste it in #flood |
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| 05:31.00 | rohan | but still its using less |
| 05:31.12 | jm_ | man page for "man" will tell you the variables it honours |
| 05:31.27 | khert | anyone? |
| 05:32.11 | khert | hmm, guess it's harder than i thought |
| 05:32.26 | miki | how can i configure kernel sources? |
| 05:32.39 | TehDeuce | nimak: Just a second. I have to reboot (something screwed up). |
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| 05:34.55 | cap | Since when do Linux users have to reboot? |
| 05:34.59 | rohan | whats wrong with this PAGER ? export PAGER="col -b | view -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist titlestring=MANPAGE' -" |
| 05:35.01 | TehDeuce | nimak: it turns out I didn't have to reboot. Where should I post the output? |
| 05:35.06 | rohan | Reformatting man(1), please wait... |
| 05:35.06 | rohan | col: invalid option -- c |
| 05:35.28 | rohan | whereas -c is an option to view, not col |
| 05:35.29 | rohan | :S |
| 05:35.37 | nimak | TehDeuce, in #flood |
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| 05:36.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:36.04 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:37.03 | nimak | whats -plow do? |
| 05:37.05 | tcsetattr | it worked for me, rohan |
| 05:37.30 | stew | nimak: it doesn't do anything |
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| 05:37.57 | stew | nimak: it sets the minimum question priority to low which is the default anyway, so nothing |
| 05:37.57 | rohan | tcsetattr: aw man :( |
| 05:38.18 | rohan | tcsetattr: you used the same line that i have given ? and it opens with full color in vim ? |
| 05:38.49 | tcsetattr | well, I have murdered my vim's ability to do colors because I despise them. |
| 05:38.56 | tcsetattr | but it displayed the man page in vim |
| 05:39.35 | rohan | tcsetattr: oh, ok |
| 05:39.36 | rohan | :S |
| 05:40.16 | stew | rohan: for me it works in sarge but not sid |
| 05:40.42 | tcsetattr | sounds like yours somehow ignored the pipe |
| 05:40.49 | stew | rohan: file a wishlist bug maybe |
| 05:41.00 | rohan | stew: oh, but there is no reason why sid mustnt work :s |
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| 05:41.07 | rohan | i mean, its such a "generic" command |
| 05:41.07 | rohan | :D |
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| 05:41.19 | rohan | i will investigate a bit more, and file a bug |
| 05:41.28 | rohan | tcsetattr: what debian release do you use ? sarge ? |
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| 05:41.48 | tcsetattr | stable... always stable |
| 05:42.03 | rohan | oh ok |
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| 05:43.00 | stew | what you also could do is to put the pipeline into a shell script and setup the shell script as a /usr/bin/pager alternative |
| 05:43.38 | rohan | like a wrapper ? |
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| 05:43.51 | tarzeau | is there some tool that can give me charasteristics of a picture? |
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| 05:45.01 | Eclipser | like, porn, no porn? :p |
| 05:45.05 | jm_ | tarzeau: such as good/awesome/mediocre blowjob? :P |
| 05:45.28 | Eclipser | tired of surfing crappy porn eh? |
| 05:45.43 | Eclipser | ok, that was lma |
| 05:45.44 | Eclipser | e |
| 05:45.47 | neoxan | the internet if for porn |
| 05:45.53 | neoxan | s/if/is |
| 05:45.55 | neoxan | :) |
| 05:46.30 | simonrvn | right. |
| 05:46.38 | j0rd | anyone know how to create a bootable cd with an image larger than the 2880 restriction? |
| 05:46.39 | stew | tarzeau: file? |
| 05:47.20 | tarzeau | Eclipser: more or less also, yes |
| 05:47.33 | tarzeau | jm_: hm? |
| 05:47.48 | tarzeau | guess i'll write my own |
| 05:47.49 | stew | tarzeau: what sort of characteristics? |
| 05:47.52 | jm_ | j0rd: isn't this limitation only for emulation mode images? |
| 05:48.02 | jm_ | tarzeau: what characteristics do you want? |
| 05:48.09 | tarzeau | stew: amount of black/white/r/g/b in percent. contrast and other things |
| 05:48.22 | tarzeau | general color tone |
| 05:48.26 | j0rd | jm_: no idea, but i'm having a hard time trying to boot any other way |
| 05:48.46 | jm_ | tarzeau: identify can do some of that |
| 05:48.46 | rohan | stew: also, any idea why the man page was not symlinked for me ? and how can i force it be symlinked again ? not manually, say like reinstalling the deb ? |
| 05:48.54 | tarzeau | jm_: really? |
| 05:49.00 | j0rd | jm_: the limitation is for eltorito emulation |
| 05:49.21 | tarzeau | jm_: i was reading its man page but can't see how |
| 05:49.27 | jm_ | tarzeau: at least for r/g/b stuff, try identify -verbose foo |
| 05:49.40 | jm_ | j0rd: yes, but do you need to use el torito? |
| 05:50.00 | j0rd | jm_: i don't think so, i just need this cd to boot |
| 05:50.08 | j0rd | with this larger kernel that i'm trying to install |
| 05:50.21 | jm_ | j0rd: ahh why not create GRUB CD? |
| 05:50.27 | tarzeau | jm_: no it doesn't give me any of the values i want... |
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| 05:50.35 | j0rd | jm_: is it much work? |
| 05:50.35 | tarzeau | jm_: ah wait channel stats.. |
| 05:50.40 | jm_ | tarzeau: it does give you percentages of r/g/b |
| 05:50.46 | rohan | aw, reportbug doesnt let me file wishlists ! :( |
| 05:51.00 | jm_ | j0rd: no, it's trivial - info grub -> Installation -> Making a GRUB bootable CD-ROM |
| 05:51.15 | j0rd | jm_: i'll take a look |
| 05:51.15 | j0rd | thanks |
| 05:52.19 | stew | rohan: hmm actually they aren't symlinked now that i actually look, man fonts.conf is just somehow finding the fonts-conf manpage for me? |
| 05:53.22 | tcsetattr | yes, apparently man-db can't tell the difference between a dot and a dash |
| 05:53.26 | jm_ | yeah /var/cache/man/index.db will have both fonts-conf and fonts.conf mentioned |
| 05:54.48 | stew | however this doesn't work for other pages named with a - |
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| 05:55.40 | stew | such as deb-control(5) cant be found man deb.control, likewise for kernel-img.conf(5) |
| 05:55.53 | tcsetattr | weirder and weirder... |
| 05:55.58 | stew | and doesn't explain why it doesn't work for rohan |
| 05:56.14 | SpeedyG | hey, i've got a little question, I'm trying to install a Promise PDC20269 in debian, but it doesnt recognise anything, I compiled the driver in the kernel (2.6.16) |
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| 05:57.02 | nrdb | I am wondering if USB phones are usable under Linux? |
| 05:57.28 | nimak | nrdb, usb phones? |
| 05:57.39 | nimak | like those skype things? |
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| 05:58.38 | nrdb | nimak: yes, looks like a mobile phone, mic, speaker, number keypad. |
| 05:58.38 | SpeedyG | anyone an idea of what to do? |
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| 06:05.10 | rohan | ok, filed the vim PAGER bug |
| 06:05.15 | rohan | waiting for confirmation |
| 06:05.17 | SpeedyG | before booting into the OS it shows the two disks on it, but as soon as its booted, all it says is theres an unknown mass storage controller (it does give the right chipset-info btw) |
| 06:05.20 | rohan | till then, ciao all |
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| 06:07.12 | LordNazgul | Are there any DD's in here now? |
| 06:07.28 | SpeedyG | DD's? |
| 06:07.36 | LordNazgul | Debian Developers |
| 06:07.49 | LordNazgul | spedy you would know if you were one ;) |
| 06:07.54 | SpeedyG | oh ok :) |
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| 06:11.30 | simonrvn | or found out |
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| 06:12.11 | jetscreamer | hail |
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| 06:14.57 | neoxan | <jetscreamer> hail <-- nazi |
| 06:15.00 | neoxan | :s |
| 06:15.19 | jetscreamer | roman... you're thinking heil |
| 06:15.36 | jetscreamer | probably means the same (i dunno) |
| 06:15.46 | powder | i thought heil was nazi |
| 06:16.02 | jetscreamer | actually it's mechwarrior 2 |
| 06:16.11 | jetscreamer | but i'd never admit it... |
| 06:16.22 | SpeedyG | means the same, where heil is german/dutch and hail is the english if i'm correct |
| 06:16.28 | LordNazgul | silly me thought hail was blocks of ice falling from the sky :) |
| 06:16.40 | neoxan | yes speedyg |
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| 06:25.08 | krnl`- | hi all |
| 06:25.22 | neoxan | weich und lieb |
| 06:25.23 | neoxan | :) |
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| 06:25.45 | krnl`- | my x only works with usb mouse, and not ps2. what can i do? |
| 06:25.57 | jm_ | you can find out why it doesn't work |
| 06:26.22 | krnl`- | jm_, you'r a genius |
| 06:26.32 | jm_ | krnl`-: thank you! |
| 06:26.46 | neoxan | lkol |
| 06:26.47 | neoxan | :D |
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| 06:27.14 | krnl`- | where can i find out? |
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| 06:27.33 | jm_ | I would start by checking X logfile, what does kernel say about the mosue etc. |
| 06:27.49 | stew | krnl`-: modprobe psmouse |
| 06:28.04 | netman1 | krnl`-: : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:28.31 | netman1 | krnl`-: or 'vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
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| 06:28.40 | powder | anyone here tried ubuntu? |
| 06:28.53 | sep | powder, no all of those are in #ubuntu :) |
| 06:28.53 | netman1 | !ubuntu |
| 06:28.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 06:29.42 | ^B3B4370^ | What was the next steps after make menuconfig to compile kernel (debian way) ? |
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| 06:29.54 | powder | i know i know, i'm using debian. just wondering why you guys choose debian over ubuntu. |
| 06:30.03 | netman1 | ^B3B4370^: make-kpkg |
| 06:30.17 | netman1 | powder: stability |
| 06:30.18 | nonix4 | sep: actually not, quite a few have come back since it doesn't really have too much... |
| 06:30.29 | sep | powder, perhaps becouse we used debian for years before ubuntu came along ? |
| 06:30.38 | krnl`- | modprobe said cant locate module psmouse. how can i get a module for this? |
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| 06:30.49 | stew | krnl`-: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 06:30.57 | nevyn | powder: havn't re-installed system since ubuntu was created.. don't want to reinstall system every reelease (yes I know they're working on it) |
| 06:31.05 | streuner | powder: most people uses more of it without knowing ;-) |
| 06:31.09 | krnl`- | stew, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 06:31.16 | powder | haha i see |
| 06:31.23 | streuner | powder: (debian) |
| 06:31.25 | sep | powder, or perhaps becouse ubuntu is a subset of debian packages well suited for the desktop. it's just the same as debian only less packages with more handcuffs ? |
| 06:31.33 | ^B3B4370^ | w/o make-kpkg clean ? |
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| 06:31.40 | ^B3B4370^ | first |
| 06:31.44 | nevyn | want a system where all the packages are maintained by the distro not half half |
| 06:32.03 | nevyn | sep: unless you enable the unsupported universe. |
| 06:32.13 | netman1 | ^B3B4370^ : depends on wether you build kernels before in that environment. |
| 06:32.15 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does kernel 2.6.11 need modprobe.conf? |
| 06:32.27 | tarzeau | harddisk writes are slow |
| 06:32.30 | krnl`- | stew, |
| 06:32.31 | ^B3B4370^ | yes i build before |
| 06:32.41 | krnl`- | do i need kernel compile? |
| 06:32.44 | sep | nevyn, that's not realy a viable option, it's about as sane as running sid with out reading BTS |
| 06:32.55 | netman1 | ^B3B4370^: then you'v got to do a make-kpkg clean. |
| 06:32.59 | TraceGreen | I am using kernel 2.4.*, now i update to 2.6.11, but system told me can not find modprobe.conf. why? |
| 06:33.01 | nevyn | hrm s/bts/topic of #debian-devel/ |
| 06:33.04 | ^B3B4370^ | thanx |
| 06:33.15 | powder | sep, what's BTS? |
| 06:33.17 | stew | krnl`-: i don't know about 2.4. also try modprobe mousedev |
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| 06:33.21 | nevyn | Bug tracking System |
| 06:33.22 | jetscreamer | hey i run sid and don't read the bts |
| 06:33.26 | nevyn | debbugs |
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| 06:33.31 | nevyn | jetscreamer: but you're here. |
| 06:33.38 | jetscreamer | !info apt-listbugs |
| 06:33.41 | dpkg | apt-listbugs: (Lists critical bugs before each apt installation), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.49 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 360 kB |
| 06:33.47 | nevyn | that works too |
| 06:33.52 | krnl`- | hmm modprobe mousedev says: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice. |
| 06:33.54 | sep | jetscreamer, apt-listbugs = reading the bts with a script |
| 06:33.56 | jetscreamer | i don't read that much either :) |
| 06:33.59 | simonrvn | you have to reinstall to update to a new release? fuck, let's take the worst of rpm based system why don't we |
| 06:34.03 | simonrvn | s |
| 06:34.08 | krnl`- | it means i've got the module for it, but doesnt want to work only with usb mouse |
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| 06:34.47 | jetscreamer | krnl`-: that means it wasn't loaded if you got a response. now list it in /etc/modules to have it loaded on_boot |
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| 06:35.07 | powder | I went from ubuntu to debian, so I was curious about what you guys thought. ;) |
| 06:35.14 | tarzeau | can i not tell apt-get to not write .deb's to harddisk when downloading them? |
| 06:35.15 | stew | powder: OT |
| 06:35.20 | stew | krnl`-: try restarting x now. if both don't work, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:35.27 | Den | Hi - Is there a way to get an iso downloading from multiple mirrors parallely? |
| 06:35.33 | tarzeau | Den: sure |
| 06:35.38 | streuner | tarzeau: man apt-get? |
| 06:35.41 | tarzeau | Den: wait, one iso? |
| 06:35.45 | krnl`- | i'll try, thnx! |
| 06:35.47 | tarzeau | streuner: it's possible? |
| 06:35.47 | jm_ | tarzeau: what's the point of that? |
| 06:35.51 | streuner | yes |
| 06:35.51 | netman1 | tarzeau: you can clean up afterwards with a apt-cache clean. |
| 06:35.52 | Den | tarzeau: one iso |
| 06:35.57 | tarzeau | jm_: installing will be much faster |
| 06:35.58 | tarzeau | Den: no |
| 06:36.06 | tarzeau | netman1: it's the time to save i want to save |
| 06:36.10 | liable | torrent?? |
| 06:36.19 | Den | tarzeau: will jigdo work in parallel? |
| 06:36.20 | jm_ | tarzeau: not really, kernel will keep it in cache and it will be reused later, unless of course you have too little memory |
| 06:36.31 | tarzeau | Den: no idea. jigdo is not vapourware? |
| 06:36.36 | sep | powder, i think that ubuntu do a swell job of migrating users from windows. or works well on the desktop, for less then knowledgable users. but it's not made for the crowd in here. |
| 06:36.40 | streuner | tarzeau: "not writing them"? -s (simulate)? |
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| 06:36.45 | stew | tarzeau: put /var/cache/apt/archives on a tmpfs? |
| 06:36.46 | tarzeau | jm_: but it will also write it to the harddisk? |
| 06:36.49 | sep | we are not the intenteed audience either. so everythign is as it should be. |
| 06:37.01 | tarzeau | streuner: i want to install it, but not save to harddisk |
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| 06:37.14 | Den | liable: torrent works fine with Sarge iso cd? |
| 06:37.14 | tarzeau | streuner: you know from network to memory from memory unpack and only write the installed stuff |
| 06:37.26 | jm_ | tarzeau: sure, but is your download speed faster than your disk writing speed? disks can write at megabytes per second for ages |
| 06:37.28 | tarzeau | streuner: not to harddisk, then back to memory, then to harddisk again |
| 06:37.31 | tarzeau | jm_: yes |
| 06:37.40 | tarzeau | jm_: our network speeds are faster than our harddisk speeds |
| 06:37.46 | liable | Den: i havent ever gotten a debian iso with torrent but i believe there are torrents, yes. |
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| 06:37.46 | jm_ | tarzeau: how fast is it? |
| 06:37.46 | tarzeau | jm_: and we install 10gb installed debs |
| 06:37.59 | sep | tarzeau, make a ramdisk and mount it on /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 06:38.07 | tarzeau | jm_: ok it's not faster, but it'd be faster if ... |
| 06:38.12 | tarzeau | sep: how does that work again? |
| 06:38.14 | liable | Den: actually, i think i did a couple of years ago |
| 06:38.25 | Den | liable thx :) |
| 06:38.26 | jm_ | tarzeau: yeah, but then you'd need a lot of RAM to store all of that |
| 06:38.46 | jm_ | tarzeau: since apt-get frist downloads and then proceeds installing packages |
| 06:39.06 | pilgrim | What does syslogd do exactly? |
| 06:39.07 | powder | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist -- what's with all the spam with bug numbers? o_0 |
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| 06:39.16 | pilgrim | (I did read the man pages) |
| 06:39.21 | SpeedyG | anyone here any idea on how to get my Promise PDC20269 working ? |
| 06:39.22 | simonrvn | logs system messages from /dev/log |
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| 06:39.48 | streuner | from _OR_ to? |
| 06:39.50 | tarzeau | jm_: true, we run alot of single apt-get install's, and our machines average memory is about 768mb |
| 06:39.51 | sep | SpeedyG, throw it out the window. if your lucky you can save your data |
| 06:40.06 | simonrvn | no, not to |
| 06:40.21 | SpeedyG | sep: by only throwing the controller, the data won't be lost :p |
| 06:40.26 | simonrvn | did ftp.debian.org go single arch or something? |
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| 06:40.46 | sep | SpeedyG, i assumes you wanted to _save_ your data |
| 06:40.57 | simonrvn | there's no fucking Packages* files |
| 06:41.07 | plbgnr | hello, I need to write script which count days between 2 dates ...for example how many days are between february 2. 2006 and april 3. 2006 ...can anybody advice the best language for this ? |
| 06:41.08 | SpeedyG | well, there isnt even anything on the disks yet, since I can't access them |
| 06:41.08 | sep | SpeedyG, point is i have only had bad experience with promise, get a 3ware or somethnig :) |
| 06:41.09 | SpeedyG | :( |
| 06:41.21 | simonrvn | ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages [ERROR] |
| 06:41.27 | stew | simonrvn: no, 2 arches, i386 and amd64 |
| 06:41.48 | nevyn | plbgnr: something highlevel |
| 06:41.56 | nevyn | plbgnr: python or java spring to mind |
| 06:42.05 | stew | simonrvn: /msg dpkg mirror split |
| 06:42.06 | simonrvn | stew: server resources or some rational reason, or arbitrary decision? |
| 06:42.10 | tcsetattr | plbgnr, in a shell script you could use date -d "$date1" +%s and date -d "$date2" +%s and subtract, that'll give you difference seconds... divide by 86400 and apply whatever rounding you like |
| 06:42.12 | jm_ | simonrvn: wasn't there some talk of only keeping some archs on main servers or whatever, and obscure ones such as PPC :), elsewhere? |
| 06:42.12 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:42.18 | sep | SpeedyG, i understood that. but if you got the promise working, thru some magic hax, then put your data on it, the data would be living perilious. ' |
| 06:42.21 | jm_ | yeah mirror split thingy |
| 06:42.37 | stew | simonrvn: the server couldn't keep up with the load which is why pdo and changelogs.debian.net were also relocated |
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| 06:42.50 | sep | SpeedyG, and all hardware in linux is similar. load the module for the hardware. the module dont support it, you probably need a more recent kernel. |
| 06:42.56 | simonrvn | aah, ok. thank you |
| 06:43.17 | SpeedyG | running on 2.6.16 (latest one afaik) got the promise module compiled with the kernel |
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| 06:43.39 | sep | SpeedyG, get a 3ware :) |
| 06:43.48 | plbgnr | tcsetattr,nevyn: thanks |
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| 06:43.57 | SpeedyG | mv $$ /dev/null ? :( |
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| 06:44.10 | cgray | hi, is it possible to install with / on a usb disk? |
| 06:44.11 | mo1991 | are there any firewall programs for debian that will show current file transferes, ports, IP's, etc. |
| 06:44.24 | tarzeau | mo1991: iptraf |
| 06:44.25 | mo1991 | similar to ethereal but showing ports/ files, etc |
| 06:44.30 | tarzeau | mo1991: but it's not a firewall program |
| 06:44.37 | tarzeau | mo1991: and it doesn't show files |
| 06:44.41 | tarzeau | man! are you nuts? |
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| 06:44.43 | jm_ | cgray: yes |
| 06:44.58 | jetscreamer | mo1991: i've heard yes but never done it myself |
| 06:45.08 | sep | mo1991, no there are no _firewall_ programs that do this. |
| 06:45.10 | jm_ | mo1991: jnettop can show HTTP requests |
| 06:45.14 | tarzeau | sep: hehe |
| 06:45.21 | mo1991 | windows has easy programs like zonealarms |
| 06:45.26 | tarzeau | mo1991: dsniff can do some tricks |
| 06:45.28 | tarzeau | mo1991: go use windows |
| 06:45.30 | tirkal | how do I check for dead SSH session? |
| 06:45.34 | mo1991 | is there really nothing even close to a linux equivalent |
| 06:45.42 | jm_ | mo1991: sure, you can write one for Linux too ... |
| 06:45.43 | tarzeau | mo1991: this is not windows |
| 06:45.45 | mo1991 | tarzeau - PLZ |
| 06:45.48 | cgray | jm_: ok, i'm having a bit of trouble with it. when i reboot for the first time, it says that /dev/sda1 is not found, so obviously it panics at that point |
| 06:45.51 | tarzeau | !PLZ |
| 06:45.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 06:46.01 | tarzeau | mo1991: really i mean it, go use windows |
| 06:46.02 | mo1991 | tarzeau - No Winblows for me |
| 06:46.06 | Kevin` | mo1991 I like webmin's iptables module |
| 06:46.06 | tarzeau | or use packages.debian.org |
| 06:46.10 | liable | mo1991: netstat will show you current connections |
| 06:46.13 | jetscreamer | ah shit oops i meant cgray not mo1991 |
| 06:46.13 | mo1991 | you can use winblows if ya want |
| 06:46.14 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 06:46.20 | tarzeau | mo1991: i do |
| 06:46.21 | jm_ | cgray: sounds like your initrd failed to load the relevant modules or the device hasn't settled yet so it's not available |
| 06:46.24 | tarzeau | mo1991: stop whining |
| 06:46.34 | tarzeau | mo1991: it's the first work day of the week |
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| 06:46.43 | tarzeau | mo1991: next you'll whine about xorg7 |
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| 06:46.50 | Sonny | does anyone here have connected his/her calculator hp49g+ to the linux box? |
| 06:46.54 | mo1991 | tarzeau - nah, just winblows |
| 06:47.01 | tarzeau | mo1991: it's called Windows |
| 06:47.03 | cgray | jm_: right. I think the device hasn't settled. Is there any way to work a delay into the process so that it does settle? |
| 06:47.03 | mo1991 | pisses me off I have to use it for work |
| 06:47.10 | jetscreamer | there's nothing wrong with windows |
| 06:47.14 | tarzeau | mo1991: change your work |
| 06:47.15 | mo1991 | none of the machines I own run windows |
| 06:47.16 | jetscreamer | jsut the windows admins |
| 06:47.21 | tarzeau | mo1991: you are so 1337 |
| 06:47.24 | jm_ | cgray: yeah you should be able to do this easily by re-creating initrd image |
| 06:47.30 | mo1991 | not trying to argue |
| 06:47.34 | mo1991 | just don't like windows |
| 06:47.41 | mo1991 | everyone has there choices |
| 06:47.50 | jetscreamer | over there! |
| 06:47.56 | SpeedyG | not here? |
| 06:47.57 | jetscreamer | no there not there! |
| 06:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 777] by debhelper |
| 06:48.03 | powder | mo1991, you can try firestarter if you're using gnome |
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| 06:48.26 | krnl`- | how can i restart x from an x konzol? |
| 06:48.27 | *** part/#debian NamNT (n=name@203.117.170.20) |
| 06:48.45 | jetscreamer | sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 06:48.45 | cgray | jm_: is there a man page for that? |
| 06:48.59 | markw_ | krnl`-: ctl-alt-backspc |
| 06:49.04 | jetscreamer | Baloo: yeah i wondered where it went |
| 06:49.05 | mo1991 | powder, does it show what files are being transfered? I've used several programs (including firestarter awhile back) but never seemed to get one that showed current transfers |
| 06:49.13 | simonrvn | thanks people |
| 06:49.18 | jetscreamer | np dude |
| 06:49.21 | Baloo | jetscreamer: Heh, yeah, I need my UT fix |
| 06:49.36 | Baloo | I gotta frag something or I'll explode. I get that way sometimes. |
| 06:49.39 | powder | mo1991, what firewall has ever shown what files are being xfered? |
| 06:49.45 | krnl`- | tnx |
| 06:49.50 | jm_ | cgray: well uncompress and mount the image, fix things, umount, recompress (these steps may depend on type of the image) |
| 06:50.18 | cgray | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 06:50.42 | jetscreamer | Baloo: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 ? |
| 06:50.48 | jm_ | cgray: alternatively, you can simply regenerate it (mkinitrd, ...) and use script-foo to fix things |
| 06:51.00 | mo1991 | powder - things like zone alarms, |
| 06:51.12 | powder | mo1991, that firewall sucks anyways |
| 06:51.19 | jetscreamer | zonealarm (non-pro) just shows what programs are active |
| 06:51.53 | SpeedyG | ZA is one of the most crappy FW's i've ever seen actually :( |
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| 06:52.05 | simonrvn | makes sense anyway. not just disk space, but network resources. means the admin load can be distributed too. more potential for nasty things, but at least a mirror can be brought up quickly and the other arches can get their updates, instead of being overly-reliant on one. but, the drawback being reliant on master (as the main box anyway) |
| 06:52.29 | Den | Hi - Ktorrent help please - Using Kubuntu stable, How do I get ktorrent to accept info about dl'ing a torrent (specifically a debian Sarge iso) - there is no help file, and I see no way to enter a torrent file location for download - what do I do? |
| 06:52.34 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 06:52.38 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 06:52.38 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 06:52.40 | powder | wrong channel dude |
| 06:52.47 | mo1991 | powder jetscreamer speedyG - looking for something like checkpoint firewall |
| 06:52.50 | jetscreamer | Den: try bittornado |
| 06:52.53 | simonrvn | Den: #ubuntu. read the /topic |
| 06:53.02 | mo1991 | I believe this is the most common firewall being used |
| 06:53.08 | mo1991 | checkpoint that is |
| 06:53.12 | simonrvn | iptables is |
| 06:53.17 | simonrvn | other than pf |
| 06:53.28 | mo1991 | that is a standalone system - looking for something with this type of functionality tho |
| 06:53.28 | liable | whats pf? |
| 06:53.33 | jetscreamer | checkpoint is expensive isn't it (i forget) |
| 06:53.39 | simonrvn | bsd's 'iptables' |
| 06:53.41 | sep | Den, you can dl the sarge.iso on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstall |
| 06:53.43 | liable | oh |
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| 06:54.06 | simonrvn | i hear it's much easier to configure filtering and such with it |
| 06:54.08 | Den | sep: thx - I'm trying to use torrent to dl. |
| 06:54.20 | jetscreamer | !info bittornado |
| 06:54.22 | dpkg | bittornado: (bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.13-2 (sid), Packaged size: 150 kB, Installed size: 848 kB |
| 06:54.37 | mo1991 | jetscreamer - I think it is $ - just wondering if there are linux firewalls / programs to do the same functionality as I haven't found any yet. |
| 06:54.46 | simonrvn | i ran a netbsd box for a little while, though i didn't get to try it out :/. |
| 06:54.51 | Kevin` | the linux firewall is built into the kernel |
| 06:54.53 | liable | Den: get the bittornado gui |
| 06:54.55 | jetscreamer | mo1991: i use the easiest simplest there is |
| 06:54.57 | sep | Den, well to get support for your curretly running distro ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:55.11 | simonrvn | the word firewall is totally misused |
| 06:55.20 | jetscreamer | sep he wants to d/l sarge so it's kind of a grey area |
| 06:55.42 | sep | jetscreamer, why do you think i told him the url :) |
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| 06:55.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:55.56 | SlayerXP | more likely he wants to download some warez, but realises that he'll just get laughed at if he does. |
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| 06:56.03 | unstable | lol |
| 06:56.04 | powder | hahaha |
| 06:56.06 | sep | SlayerXP, exactly :) |
| 06:56.17 | unstable | yea, He's just downloading animal porn, but claiming it's a sarge iso |
| 06:56.24 | liable | cinic! |
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| 06:56.30 | liable | :) |
| 06:56.38 | jetscreamer | y not i |
| 06:56.41 | simonrvn | do you mean 'cynic'? |
| 06:56.55 | SpeedyG | rather military porn.. he's looking for the sarge ;0 |
| 06:56.59 | unstable | !grammar |
| 06:56.59 | dpkg | methinks grammar is a system of pitfalls thoughtfully prepared for the feet of the self-made man, along the path by which he advances to distinction. |
| 06:57.02 | powder | or "clinic" |
| 06:57.03 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 06:57.13 | liable | simonrvn: i thought it might be well known by now that a) i cant type b) i cant spell.. |
| 06:57.14 | jetscreamer | hell i thought it said clinic at first |
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| 06:57.20 | cafuego | beans |
| 06:57.26 | simonrvn | cafuego: ! |
| 06:57.32 | cafuego | simonrvn: ! |
| 06:57.39 | simonrvn | cafuego: how are you? |
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| 06:58.34 | krnl`- | i'm in kde. if i check /dev/psaux with cat, i can see that there is dataflow when i'm moving with the mouse. with dpkg-reconfigure, i set the X to read from /dev/psaux, but it still doesnt want to work. any idea? |
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| 06:59.39 | k-god | krnl`-: Have you tried /dev/mice or similar (I forget the specific device). Seems to work much of the time. |
| 06:59.43 | nvz | interesting.. apperently apache can deny content based on referring url |
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| 06:59.49 | jm_ | k-god: he's using 2.4 kernel, not 2.6 |
| 06:59.49 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:59.51 | cafuego | simonrvn: not bad... |
| 06:59.54 | nvz | first time I've ever ran across that |
| 07:00.05 | simonrvn | cafuego: ok |
| 07:00.25 | simonrvn | nvz: damned useful |
| 07:00.27 | jm_ | nvz: you can do all sorts of fancy things using mod-rewrite |
| 07:00.27 | k-god | jm_: OK. |
| 07:00.51 | simonrvn | mod_rewrite is *kick ass* |
| 07:01.07 | SpeedyG | speaking of apache, anyone here knows why my directories 'protected' with a .htaccess file, arent shown in the dirlisting ? |
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| 07:01.33 | simonrvn | check your dir perms |
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| 07:01.57 | nvz | simonrvn: I suppose. lame attempt at tricking my spider.. but he's learned that trick now ;) |
| 07:02.01 | jetscreamer | my x11r7 fonts are still goofy (aka not like what they were looking like in 6.9) |
| 07:02.02 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: 777 |
| 07:02.02 | mo1991 | jetscreamer - what program do u use? Also, is there a program that will show what files are being transfered ? Ethereal tells you a lot but not the files being transferred |
| 07:02.11 | miki | hey, i just did modconf to make bzImage, how can i load it with GRUB? sience grub want initrd.img and vmlinuz and i got only one file... |
| 07:02.12 | wobbler | mo1991, you can check acidlab it may do what you wont |
| 07:02.21 | simonrvn | and why is it 777? what's the ownership? |
| 07:02.24 | mo1991 | at least I don't know how to show this in ethereal |
| 07:02.42 | simonrvn | so does tcpdump |
| 07:02.58 | jetscreamer | mo1991: lokkit, the most minimal unfeaturefilled iptables frontend there is (and my router has one built-in too) |
| 07:03.19 | SpeedyG | user is speedyg, group is ftpdata, apache runs with www-data:www-data |
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| 07:03.50 | SpeedyG | its the user's public_html dir |
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| 07:04.02 | simonrvn | should be showing. do you have something in your server conf doing strange things? |
| 07:04.09 | jetscreamer | well at least it's the least that i've seen, i'm sure there's something < |
| 07:04.20 | mo1991 | iptraf does the same type of thing as ethereal or tcpdump correct |
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| 07:04.25 | SpeedyG | not that I know, i've tried to change nearly everything |
| 07:04.38 | SpeedyG | Indexes, Includes, +'s -'s |
| 07:04.41 | simonrvn | mo1991: not really. very limited |
| 07:04.47 | Sonny | Hi. how do i know if my kernel is compiled with the USB Serial support enabled? |
| 07:04.59 | simonrvn | it's nice for a quickie look, but so is tcpdump |
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| 07:05.36 | jm_ | miki: you don't always need initrd image |
| 07:05.45 | tarzeau | can't wait for #358453 |
| 07:05.46 | jm_ | Sonny: Debian kernel? |
| 07:05.49 | stew | Sonny: grep USB.\*SERIAL /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:05.51 | simonrvn | SpeedyG: oh, shit, check BTS maybe. i just remembered something about that |
| 07:05.52 | liable | Sonny: grep -i usb /boot/config-blah |
| 07:06.02 | tarzeau | who wanted the latest enblend? |
| 07:06.04 | SlayerXP | initrds are for installing linux, for default kernels, and for redhat users who don't known any better |
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| 07:07.07 | tarzeau | is there some cal/ncal highlighting tool or to html converter? |
| 07:07.14 | SlayerXP | has Iran been new-kerlated by Dubya yet? |
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| 07:07.52 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:08.09 | stew | SpeedyG: are you watching apache's error logs when you hit the url? |
| 07:08.11 | jm_ | tarzeau: ccal - colorized calendar utility - is this what you want? |
| 07:08.34 | tarzeau | jm_: yes but i also want a cal2html thingy |
| 07:08.37 | stew | SpeedyG: what result code do you get from HEAD url? 200? 4xx? 3xx? |
| 07:08.38 | krnl`- | is it possible that i use my laptop both with touchpad and normal usb mouse? |
| 07:09.01 | SpeedyG | errorlogs show nothing |
| 07:09.08 | SpeedyG | and how to get the HEAD url ? |
| 07:09.13 | simonrvn | using HEAD |
| 07:09.20 | stew | SpeedyG: install libwww-perl |
| 07:09.22 | jm_ | krnl`-: yes, this is pretty straightofrward with 2.6 kernel, but also doable with 2.4 |
| 07:09.31 | tarzeau | jm_: ick! |
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| 07:10.47 | ice1963 | were is the nvidia it's not there right now |
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| 07:11.03 | ice1963 | driver that is |
| 07:11.21 | jetscreamer | sounds like sid |
| 07:11.21 | ice1963 | in etch |
| 07:11.23 | krnl`- | jm_, thnx |
| 07:11.32 | SpeedyG | stew: 200 |
| 07:11.37 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx etch |
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| 07:11.43 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8178-2 (etch), Packaged size: 3106 kB, Installed size: 10328 kB |
| 07:11.53 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 07:11.53 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 07:12.31 | stew | SpeedyG: you are expecting mod_index output, but get a blank page? is that right? |
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| 07:13.13 | mo1991 | anyone know of a good acidlab howto? |
| 07:13.24 | SpeedyG | I'm only getting a blank page if there's nothing else in the directory, if there's something in it, it only shows the files, but not the directories |
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| 07:13.58 | simonrvn | mo1991: source code, which is in php |
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| 07:14.45 | SpeedyG | it only hides the protected directories |
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| 07:15.39 | stew | SpeedyG: ask #apache |
| 07:16.38 | jetscreamer | where is the xterm config file |
| 07:16.41 | miki | jm_: so how should i run it then? |
| 07:17.38 | miki | jm_: bzImage was in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot, i got vmlinuz thing in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/ |
| 07:17.42 | jetscreamer | /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color is what i want i guess |
| 07:18.19 | liable | is there a google earth for linux? |
| 07:18.21 | tarzeau | jm_: hehe wyrd looks like OUTLOOK IN CONSOLE :) |
| 07:18.21 | jetscreamer | omg all that just for some color? |
| 07:18.25 | tarzeau | liable: no |
| 07:18.27 | jetscreamer | google earth? |
| 07:19.10 | ice1963 | what is a good vidio card for Debian? |
| 07:19.16 | tarzeau | ice1963: nvidia |
| 07:19.33 | jetscreamer | wtf is a comment in this file... ! or * |
| 07:19.42 | jetscreamer | or !* |
| 07:20.02 | jm_ | miki: don't add an initrd command to menu.lst if your kernel doesn't need it ... |
| 07:20.04 | liable | jetscreamer: if you ever get on a windows box. check it out. its pretty spiffy |
| 07:20.43 | jm_ | tarzeau: I only use tkremind, don't really need wyrd's features |
| 07:20.57 | miki | jm_: i dont know what to do at all.... i made bzImage and i need to load it into GRUB but i got no idea how to do this |
| 07:21.12 | jm_ | jetscreamer: ! is a comment |
| 07:21.17 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 07:21.28 | kevix | tarzeau: I started using wyrd recently. seems ok. |
| 07:21.49 | jm_ | miki: with an editor, or use update-grub |
| 07:22.15 | miki | jm_: maunally edited grub config file in /boot/grub/ |
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| 07:23.30 | jetscreamer | #if PLANES > 8 ??? (xterm-color) |
| 07:24.21 | jetscreamer | mnan now i have to wonder if this file is left over from x116.9 |
| 07:24.51 | heny` | how do i rename a user? with home-dir etc? |
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| 07:26.10 | SpeedyG | usermod -l <newname> <oldname> |
| 07:26.20 | heny` | will homedir be renamed too?` |
| 07:26.35 | SpeedyG | guess that's only for the realname tho |
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| 07:26.40 | jm_ | man page will tell you |
| 07:27.32 | SpeedyG | oh, it is for the loginname |
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| 07:28.10 | heny` | so what should i use? |
| 07:28.13 | heny` | -L? |
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| 07:28.47 | SpeedyG | chmod -m /home/<newusername> -l <newusername> <oldusername> |
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| 07:29.58 | heny` | doesnt work |
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| 07:30.17 | SpeedyG | then go read the manpages |
| 07:30.27 | SpeedyG | they tell it all (as far as i've seen it yet) |
| 07:30.37 | heny` | i dunno if i have to take login_name or so |
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| 07:31.37 | valdyn | heny`: usermod -l newname oldname; mv /home/oldname /home/newname |
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| 07:32.36 | jetscreamer | why does XTerm-color talk about menus in an xterm? |
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| 07:32.59 | tcsetattr | why wouldn't it, jetscreamer? |
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| 07:33.07 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: doesnt xterm has a menu when opened in X? |
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| 07:33.12 | jm_ | jetscreamer: any particular reason it shouldn't? |
| 07:33.13 | jetscreamer | not here |
| 07:33.17 | jetscreamer | no menus? |
| 07:33.25 | jm_ | try ctrl + left/right click then |
| 07:33.25 | jetscreamer | never have been |
| 07:33.35 | tcsetattr | uh, press Ctrl-Button1, Ctrl-Button2, Ctrl-Button3 |
| 07:33.39 | jetscreamer | oooooo |
| 07:33.57 | tcsetattr | just because it doesn't have one of those gaudy "menu bars" doesn't mean there are no menus. |
| 07:34.00 | simonrvn | fuck, never though util-linux built so quickly. figures though. they're all tiny |
| 07:34.42 | jetscreamer | more like lead to, but yeah |
| 07:35.15 | jetscreamer | hey it only took me what, a year and how many months :( |
| 07:35.20 | heny` | what would you recommend me if i want to load several tools via screen & sudo @ startup? like ./hlds_run |
| 07:35.31 | bibe | hi all. after upgrading my etch installation (the upgrade involved, among others, gnome themes' packages) I can't see most of Evolution icons (default theme, since I use KDE). Where can I look to fix the problem? I mean, where are Evolution's (and Gnome apps') icons path stored? |
| 07:35.32 | tcsetattr | there's a whole section "MENUS" in the xterm man page :) |
| 07:36.18 | jetscreamer | bibe 'probably' you can find it with gconf |
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| 07:36.39 | bibe | jetscreamer : ok, I'll take a look. Thanks |
| 07:36.42 | miki | a |
| 07:36.45 | simonrvn | bibe: involves something about the default themes; hicolor vs. gnome. fix should get in soon |
| 07:37.25 | miki | jm_: after grub-update it detected my kernel but when im trying to run it i got hda2 error and kernel panic 03:02 |
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| 07:37.32 | simonrvn | ooh, soon to get nfsv4 enabled mount =) |
| 07:37.41 | Shadur | So I can open remote text files, but I can't edit them. The hell? |
| 07:37.46 | jm_ | miki: that means your kernel can't mount it |
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| 07:38.07 | simonrvn | just need to build it here, and i'm done |
| 07:38.10 | jetscreamer | okie, so afaict /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color says *VT100*foreground: gray90 *VT100*background: black .. but my xterm is black on white, not grey on black as it seems it should be |
| 07:38.11 | miki | jm_: does it mean that image is broken? |
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| 07:38.31 | jm_ | miki: no, just configured incorrectly |
| 07:38.44 | jetscreamer | so where am i not looking (aka the correct place) |
| 07:38.50 | simonrvn | XTerm |
| 07:38.51 | tcsetattr | jetscreamer, the app-defaults file can be overriden by ~/.Xdefaults, or by resources loaded with xrdb (such as ~/.Xresources) or by command line options |
| 07:38.56 | jm_ | jetscreamer: appress XTerm |
| 07:38.59 | jm_ | appres |
| 07:39.23 | jetscreamer | thanks tcsetattr ... jm i don't speak french? |
| 07:39.34 | tcsetattr | appres is a command :) |
| 07:39.39 | miki | jm_: do i need to run 'make menuconfig' again? |
| 07:39.44 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 07:39.49 | jm_ | miki: well I would if I were you |
| 07:40.11 | heny` | what would you recommend me if i want to load several tools via screen & sudo @ startup? like ./hlds_run |
| 07:40.27 | miki | jm_: but i dunno what i did wrong =\ i just changed 4 option, none related to hda2 (all were agp) |
| 07:40.39 | jm_ | miki: is that based on Debian's config? |
| 07:40.51 | bibe | simonrvn : thanks |
| 07:40.58 | simonrvn | np |
| 07:41.12 | miki | jm_: yes |
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| 07:41.24 | jm_ | miki: that's why then - your kernel needs initrd image as it is now |
| 07:41.25 | miki | jm_: its based on original kernel, just few things changed to support agp |
| 07:42.44 | miki | jm_: is there any howto/faq for that? |
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| 07:43.35 | heny` | what would you recommend me if i want to load several tools via screen & sudo @ startup? like ./hlds_run |
| 07:43.45 | jetscreamer | *customization: -color is all it says about color... ok so i could just ask "hey htf do i change xterm's default colors?" |
| 07:44.03 | jm_ | miki: 1) build initrd for it, or 2) make it so that drivers and filesystems needed to mount / are built-in |
| 07:44.37 | miki | jm_: i got no idea how to build initrd =\ |
| 07:44.45 | jm_ | jetscreamer: from the man page - foreground and background resources |
| 07:44.50 | jetscreamer | k |
| 07:44.55 | jm_ | miki: then use option 2) |
| 07:45.28 | jm_ | so you can change X resources for it, or set it via command line, whichever method works for you |
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| 07:45.38 | miki | jm_: i got no idea on second one too =\ |
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| 07:46.01 | jm_ | miki: then use make-kpkg to do the job for you |
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| 07:46.33 | valdyn | `3nergy: 0~1`0~`1145----------------------------------------4~1~0~123~~~~0~1~4=-0~87231`` |
| 07:46.36 | valdyn | -+ |
| 07:46.36 | valdyn | -+ |
| 07:46.53 | simonrvn | looks like someone's cat got onto their kbd |
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| 07:47.07 | Rizzer | either that or they showing us a perl script |
| 07:47.11 | jetscreamer | the first looks like a cookie |
| 07:47.17 | jetscreamer | the second... i dunno |
| 07:47.34 | jetscreamer | yeah could be a cat |
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| 07:48.10 | miki | jm_: what si top level linux source directory tree? |
| 07:48.30 | jetscreamer | /usr/src/linux-source-something usually, if you unpacked it |
| 07:49.28 | jetscreamer | old style is kernel-source |
| 07:49.32 | jm_ | jetscreamer: ^^^^^^^ |
| 07:49.38 | jm_ | ups |
| 07:49.42 | jm_ | miki: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:49.55 | jetscreamer | jm_: still reading the manpage but thanks |
| 07:50.11 | jm_ | jetscreamer: naah, was just wrong nick |
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| 07:50.16 | jetscreamer | o |
| 07:50.48 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:50.48 | dpkg | hmm... qotd28 is <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
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| 07:51.00 | simonrvn | doh |
| 07:52.21 | unstable | hmm, Why would /proc be over 500MB? |
| 07:52.41 | Braindead | unstable: /proc/kcore |
| 07:52.50 | simonrvn | it wouldn't. /proc/kcore would show a virtual size of whatever RAM is |
| 07:53.00 | Braindead | there is no /proc. and no spoon either |
| 07:53.18 | unstable | thought so |
| 07:53.23 | unstable | dpkg just confused me |
| 07:53.24 | jetscreamer | .xsession-errors is 43 megs how do i empty it safely |
| 07:53.25 | simonrvn | oh no, how am i going to hold that steak down with no proc |
| 07:53.32 | simonrvn | rm |
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| 07:53.59 | jetscreamer | i thought it complained last time i didn't have one |
| 07:54.01 | jetscreamer | k |
| 07:54.10 | miki | jm_: make: *** [stamp-build] B³±d 1 |
| 07:54.19 | simonrvn | so touch it after. or echo > .xsession-errors |
| 07:54.24 | Braindead | jetscreamer: then echo > .xsession-errors or t |
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| 07:54.27 | Braindead | d'oh! |
| 07:54.29 | miki | jm_: The changelog says we are creating 2.4.27-2-386, but I thought the version is 2.4.27 |
| 07:54.40 | jm_ | miki: that's OK |
| 07:54.41 | jetscreamer | k |
| 07:54.45 | jetscreamer | thankees |
| 07:54.47 | miki | jm_: ok |
| 07:54.51 | simonrvn | np |
| 07:55.05 | jm_ | miki: but you should use custom revision, see "/msg dpkg kp mantra" |
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| 07:55.51 | jetscreamer | ok so now how do i see what's inside my 43meg error file |
| 07:56.06 | jm_ | jetscreamer: after you have deleted it? |
| 07:56.20 | jetscreamer | no, but i just remembered that gedit isn't all seeing |
| 07:56.28 | jetscreamer | less should work? |
| 07:56.29 | jm_ | less/more |
| 07:56.32 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 07:56.37 | jetscreamer | 10x :) |
| 07:56.39 | jetscreamer | aka thanks |
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| 07:56.47 | chomph | what's up with vncserver? |
| 07:56.57 | miki | jm_: i did without mantra, i dunno filename tho, is it init? |
| 07:57.21 | chomph | vncserver seems to have package dependencies that don't work. |
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| 07:57.37 | jetscreamer | oh i like this: Incoming keep-alive message flood detected, dropping spamming peer connection. |
| 07:57.48 | simonrvn | weeee |
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| 07:57.55 | ParoXsitiC | Doe's anyone know how I can hide a process from PS and TOP |
| 07:58.07 | chomph | get a rootkit |
| 07:58.11 | SlayerXP | ParoXsitiC: your systems administrator does. ask him. |
| 07:58.12 | chomph | why would you want to hide a process? |
| 07:58.15 | Braindead | http://www.firefoxflicks.com/flick/index.php?id=19542&c=false WHEEEE! |
| 07:58.22 | fireba11 | ParoXsitiC: now why do you want to do that ? ^^ |
| 07:58.23 | mortal__ | doe's :D |
| 07:58.28 | mortal__ | his/hers anyone |
| 07:58.41 | ParoXsitiC | mortal: yeah i noticed typed it wrong |
| 07:58.56 | ParoXsitiC | slayer: the linux box is just a toy, im the only one |
| 07:58.59 | simonrvn | bash: PS: no such file or directory |
| 07:59.02 | jetscreamer | heh... i forgot i even had a ~/Desktop |
| 07:59.04 | ParoXsitiC | chomph: will google |
| 07:59.09 | ParoXsitiC | thanks everyone |
| 07:59.14 | Baloo | chomph: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 07:59.17 | chomph | uhm. you don't want a rootkit on your machine. |
| 07:59.50 | simonrvn | no kidding :) |
| 07:59.57 | Baloo | chomph: Damn it. Stupid people should have to wear a sign. |
| 08:00.09 | chomph | as irony has it, I think it was because I had a stable mixed in with my unstable sources. |
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| 08:00.33 | simonrvn | "i'm a bit slow, treat me gently" |
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| 08:00.39 | Baloo | chomph: Yes. Unstable and stable don't mix. Why would you mix sid with the toys? Sid breaks toys. |
| 08:00.44 | simonrvn | chomph: that would it |
| 08:00.54 | simonrvn | do it* |
| 08:00.59 | chomph | there was a package I needed from stable |
| 08:01.11 | simonrvn | *ahem* wget |
| 08:01.12 | chomph | nah, it's still busted |
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| 08:01.20 | Baloo | chomph: Better to FTP it by hand, then dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 08:01.25 | chomph | it installs without being forced, now, though. |
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| 08:01.46 | Baloo | dpkg --purge x-window-system && apt-get install xorg |
| 08:01.53 | Baloo | I ran into it on Easter morning |
| 08:02.08 | chomph | ran into what? |
| 08:02.17 | Braindead | x-window-system is already depending on xorg,to ease etch transition |
| 08:02.18 | Baloo | xorg getting twisted. |
| 08:02.22 | jetscreamer | Baloo: that won't uninstall anything but the meta-package i believe |
| 08:02.47 | Baloo | jetscreamer: x-window-system depends on a lot of stuff xorg happens to conflict with as I figured out |
| 08:02.48 | chomph | yes, it's a meta-package |
| 08:03.02 | GNU_Style | anyone have any idea of LDAP+Samba for active directory |
| 08:03.11 | Baloo | at least it did the other day, it might have changed since then |
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| 08:03.38 | chomph | anyone have vncserver installed? |
| 08:03.46 | simonrvn | GNU_Style: um, what? |
| 08:03.54 | jetscreamer | Baloo: it 'probably' changed like yesterday or today, because that's when sid didn't want to uninstall * for me, to be able to install xorg7 |
| 08:04.03 | chomph | and does it run okay, or does it complain about the font "fixed" which is in my fonts, but it doesn't seem to find. |
| 08:04.04 | simonrvn | wth would ad use samba for? |
| 08:04.10 | GNU_Style | simonrvn, using LDAP+Samba in linux |
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| 08:04.24 | Baloo | simonrvn: he's trying to set up an active directory server on Linux. He's asking what the best LDAP and samba daemon combo is. |
| 08:04.25 | GNU_Style | is it posible to have active directory |
| 08:04.29 | simonrvn | yes ... ldap+samba isn't ad |
| 08:04.54 | simonrvn | opendlap, heimdal kerberos, and samba |
| 08:04.57 | simonrvn | ldap* |
| 08:05.03 | simonrvn | that's the closest |
| 08:05.04 | jetscreamer | you want to be able to auth against ad |
| 08:05.09 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 08:05.12 | simonrvn | @fuck ad |
| 08:05.14 | tarzeau | hi GNU_Style :) |
| 08:05.25 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, hi there |
| 08:05.33 | tarzeau | ravenbird: which brand of glass dildos do you buy? |
| 08:05.34 | ravenbird | tarzeau: i don't know |
| 08:05.35 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, hows it going with the project? |
| 08:05.41 | GNU_Style | simonrvn, thanks |
| 08:05.49 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: great, it was easter, closed. but i'll continue next saturday :) |
| 08:05.57 | itzzan | buon giorno ppl |
| 08:06.11 | jetscreamer | should we spam the !it factoid? |
| 08:06.20 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, u have a company in that project? |
| 08:06.27 | simonrvn | have heimdal store its db in OL. it's easy. i really suggest you get recent heimdal and OL packages, though |
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| 08:06.42 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: nope, it's all private. companies never deliver what you want. sex toy industry is crap. if you want good stuff and real stuff, build it yourself |
| 08:06.52 | jurka | The libsilc package in unstable is hosed and a bug report has been filed against it (328889) but has gone unanswered for 7 months or so. Is there any means of escalating it? |
| 08:06.55 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: some parts are way expensive. there's good material however |
| 08:07.05 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 08:07.05 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 08:07.07 | Baloo | simonrvn: To paraphrase Adam Sandler, fuck AD up the goat ass |
| 08:07.15 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, have you dry run it? |
| 08:07.17 | simonrvn | something like that =) |
| 08:07.33 | simonrvn | alright. let's play |
| 08:07.35 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: no, i've only got a smaller prototype of the moving linkage |
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| 08:08.04 | GNU_Style | ohh ic |
| 08:08.05 | GNU_Style | :) |
| 08:08.06 | jetscreamer | 3.08am, nn |
| 08:08.11 | GNU_Style | will you develope it? |
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| 08:09.00 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: yes, i'll post all plans of engineering |
| 08:09.07 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: including time and material costs |
| 08:09.34 | Baloo | simonrvn: OK. You are carrying: A (much too small) bag of weed. A package of +3 papers of zig-zag. A badly laminated card with your picture on it. A large keyring. Meatspace Perl 1.0 (aka a Swiss Army Knife). +3 t-shrit of tie-dye. +10 cut-offs of tumescence. |
| 08:09.48 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, nice, how can I help? |
| 08:10.20 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 08:10.38 | liable | GNU_Style: i would think dry running it may be painfull! :P |
| 08:10.48 | Baloo | Probable inventory of a college student MUD player. |
| 08:11.08 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: not yet, but maybe when the plans are online... it's good you check here once a week. |
| 08:11.09 | jetscreamer | no it's mrs.bobbit in college |
| 08:11.27 | tarzeau | liable: of course he means just in the air. for this we don't need lubricant |
| 08:11.29 | GNU_Style | liable, :) |
| 08:11.42 | tarzeau | liable: don't worry, women have enough self-lubricant |
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| 08:12.07 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, ok, do you have a URL? |
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| 08:13.25 | tarzeau | GNU_Style: i think i'll put it on http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/pufu/ (as in pussy fucker), but this is not definitive yet |
| 08:13.57 | tarzeau | liable: i'd need to use a harid dryer up the machine to keep it dry |
| 08:14.00 | GNU_Style | tarzeau, ok.. hehehe, thanks |
| 08:14.07 | tarzeau | liable: haven't you ever masturbated a woman? |
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| 08:14.26 | jm_ | miki: what filename? |
| 08:14.36 | MarcoPau | hello, I just installed debian sid for amd64 but I got some problems with the packages and I can't startx. Am I gonna be able to fix anything or it's better for me to go back to i386 installation? |
| 08:15.08 | fireba11 | tarzeau: ^^ |
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| 08:15.59 | sep | MarcoPau, with out more spesific problem description, it's impossible to tell |
| 08:16.25 | SpeedyG | but sep, isnt 'it doesnt work' an acurate description then ? ;) |
| 08:16.30 | tarzeau | fireba11: yes? |
| 08:16.37 | MarcoPau | sep: well I was just trying to see if the amd64 version is known to be very buggy and incomplete |
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| 08:17.22 | sep | MarcoPau, i know that sid just upgraded from X6.9 to xorg7 and that will make you face issues no matter what arch you use. |
| 08:17.48 | fireba11 | tarzeau: am just wondering how you got to that kind of topic :-) |
| 08:17.48 | MarcoPau | exactly, that's one thing, xorg 7.0 |
| 08:17.56 | k-god | Has anyone here played with Parallels Workstation (host is Mac OSX) and figured out something like NAT'd networking? |
| 08:17.57 | MarcoPau | first errors are these: |
| 08:17.57 | MarcoPau | error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 08:17.58 | MarcoPau | (EE) No Input driver matching `keyboard' |
| 08:17.58 | MarcoPau | (EE) No Input driver matching `mouse' |
| 08:17.58 | MarcoPau | No core keyboard |
| 08:17.58 | MarcoPau | Fatal server error: |
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| 08:18.09 | MarcoPau | whoops |
| 08:18.12 | unstable | !tell MarcoPau about paste |
| 08:18.22 | unstable | !tell MarcoPau about it |
| 08:18.22 | k-god | MarcoPau: Don't do that ;-) |
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| 08:18.34 | MarcoPau | can't manage writing with bitchx from console |
| 08:18.38 | MarcoPau | sorry for taht |
| 08:18.39 | MarcoPau | that |
| 08:18.53 | tarzeau | fireba11: i'm building a fuckingmachine on my own for my gf |
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| 08:19.07 | liable | MarcoPau: try xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 08:19.07 | fireba11 | tarzeau: er .. okay ^^! |
| 08:19.11 | MarcoPau | could you read anything of my pasted lines? |
| 08:19.18 | k-god | MarcoPau: We got 4 of 'em. |
| 08:19.23 | MarcoPau | liable: already installed |
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| 08:19.35 | MarcoPau | also *video-al |
| 08:19.38 | MarcoPau | all |
| 08:19.47 | fireba11 | tarzeau: i'd rather have the fun myself :-) |
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| 08:20.01 | tarzeau | fireba11: anal? |
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| 08:20.46 | liable | MarcoPau: well, input-mouse then if it aint installed.. |
| 08:20.49 | heny` | will this work as an script for the update-rc.d? |
| 08:20.49 | heny` | cd /home/cspublic1/ |
| 08:20.50 | heny` | screen -A -m -d -S hlds sudo -u cspublic ./hlds_run -game cstrike -port 27015 +sv_lan 1 -nomaster +maxplayers 14 +map de_aztec +servercfgfile server1.cfg |
| 08:21.40 | MarcoPau | liable: there's no such package |
| 08:21.50 | MarcoPau | I only have inpout-all in the repositories |
| 08:21.52 | MarcoPau | (EE) Failed to load module "evdev" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 08:22.01 | MarcoPau | same message with nv, keyboard and mouse |
| 08:22.09 | MarcoPau | no drivers available |
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| 08:22.14 | liable | MarcoPau: err, xserver-xorg-input-mouse and -evdev |
| 08:22.19 | fireba11 | tarzeau: why not ? but i guess that's way OT anyway ;-) |
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| 08:22.33 | MarcoPau | liable: exactly, I don't have those |
| 08:22.34 | p00ya | is it possible to change the config parameters for a compiled-in kernel module after boot-time? |
| 08:22.55 | liable | MarcoPau: in available? |
| 08:23.00 | MarcoPau | right |
| 08:23.11 | MarcoPau | there's only xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 08:23.26 | tarzeau | fireba11: i don't like that kind of sex. but once i have the plans online, you can. i'd like to hear about the experience. all you need is a windshield wiper motor |
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| 08:23.46 | p00ya | or do i need configfs or similar |
| 08:23.46 | tarzeau | fireba11: http://snow.ethz.ch/car/ cheap and easy to get, and quite powerful. and some computer power supply |
| 08:24.08 | MarcoPau | liable: no specific packages in the amd64 version |
| 08:24.22 | jm_ | MarcoPau: try asking #debian-amd64 |
| 08:24.25 | liable | MarcoPau: oh, i didnt realise you had 64. no idea. |
| 08:24.26 | MarcoPau | thanks |
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| 08:24.54 | MarcoPau | jm_: perfect, didn't even know there was a specific channel, thanks |
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| 08:25.03 | jm_ | although p.d.o lists it as available |
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| 08:25.39 | jm_ | hah it's not up-to-date, there's some problem it seems |
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| 08:26.16 | darylhobbs | Hi all |
| 08:26.20 | fireba11 | tarzeau: i'd probably need a gf in the first place anyway ^^ |
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| 08:26.46 | darylhobbs | I'm looking for some jelp with debian thin client. |
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| 08:28.13 | tarzeau | fireba11: probably |
| 08:28.16 | renewip | Hi, where can I find BIG Debian logo to make our Debian User Group's uniform |
| 08:28.38 | tarzeau | renewip: need the font too? |
| 08:28.44 | jm_ | renewip: get the .ps file |
| 08:29.19 | jm_ | http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
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| 08:31.18 | miki | anyone here know mkinitrd well? i need some help |
| 08:31.27 | tarzeau | miki: just ask |
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| 08:32.20 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 08:32.21 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 21m 21s ago, saying: 'anabain: boot it til it fails'. |
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| 08:33.43 | miki | i wan to make initrd file for kernel wich is currently not running sience i had hda2 error(kernel panic) but that thing - mknitrd seems to be more complicated than it looks... i need to add some options before file anmd and other ones after it, i dont know what to type |
| 08:34.02 | jm_ | you don't need to run mkinitrd by hand if you use make-kpkg with --initrd option |
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| 08:34.48 | miki | jm_: but would it make initrd file for non-running kernel? |
| 08:35.12 | jm_ | miki: as I said, if you have used --initrd with make-kpkg it will when you will install the deb |
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| 08:35.54 | Hamled|Erp | what's the term for when you find two values in a hashing funcation that create the same hash? |
| 08:36.07 | jm_ | collision? |
| 08:36.11 | Hamled|Erp | yes, thanks |
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| 08:38.31 | saintiss | hi |
| 08:38.35 | Arnald | is anyone packaging seamonkey? |
| 08:38.51 | tarzeau | Arnald: yes |
| 08:38.55 | tarzeau | Arnald: #360671 |
| 08:38.57 | saintiss | is it possible to find out which process is responsible for sending a certain TCP packet monitored by ethereal? |
| 08:39.02 | jm_ | can you spank a seamonkey? huerhuerheur |
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| 08:39.37 | jm_ | saintiss: you know the ports, don't you? |
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| 08:40.10 | Arnald | tarzeau: I saw that a while ago, is there any evidence of actual progress? |
| 08:40.20 | tarzeau | Arnald: no idea. ask the ITP submitter? |
| 08:40.24 | Arnald | it's just a request, right? |
| 08:40.30 | tarzeau | Arnald: i hope mozilla, firefox, thunderbird, seamonkey disappears |
| 08:40.38 | tarzeau | Arnald: no thatd'b RFP |
| 08:41.05 | stew | saintiss: netstat -an as root can identify the process by port, or use fuser/lsof |
| 08:41.19 | Arnald | tarzeau: yes, there is a lot of "confusion" around browsers ;) |
| 08:41.43 | saintiss | jm_, I do |
| 08:42.10 | Arnald | tarzeau: what do you think we should all use? IE? ;) |
| 08:42.24 | Braindead | links2 -g (ahahaha) |
| 08:42.31 | tarzeau | Braindead: THE best |
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| 08:42.37 | saintiss | jm_, stew, for example, I see incoming trafic on port 80, yet lsof -i :80 gives me nothing |
| 08:42.40 | tarzeau | Braindead: ever tried it? it's my main browser |
| 08:42.40 | Braindead | tarzeau: ;) |
| 08:42.44 | tarzeau | Braindead: i'm serious |
| 08:43.03 | stew | saintiss: port 80 on the remote end or the local end? |
| 08:43.04 | Braindead | tarzeau: it's not my main browser,I only use it 25% of my whole time |
| 08:43.10 | miki | jm_: so 'make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image' where kernel_image is initrd file output name, yup? |
| 08:43.16 | tarzeau | Arnald: yes IE is ok, but i prefer omniweb prior version 4 |
| 08:43.22 | Braindead | tarzeau: and I use it less when you forget to compile in x driver ;))) |
| 08:43.28 | Berny` | hi, i'va a problem with gdm display manager... |
| 08:43.29 | tarzeau | Braindead: i didn't forget it |
| 08:43.35 | tarzeau | Braindead: it was a x transition bug, not my problem |
| 08:43.36 | Braindead | (snapshot.debian.net helps,anyway) |
| 08:43.41 | Arnald | tarzeau: what about someone who actually likes mozilla's mail, chat, js debugging etc? - can you provide sensible alternatives? |
| 08:43.43 | tarzeau | Braindead: i just was too early, besides x is back in in sid |
| 08:43.47 | tarzeau | Braindead: together with ssl! |
| 08:43.52 | saintiss | stew, incoming trafic on my machine that is, so locally, i.e. my IP is the IP destination |
| 08:43.55 | tarzeau | Arnald: yes |
| 08:43.55 | Braindead | I know I know,just joking |
| 08:43.57 | Arnald | calendar |
| 08:44.02 | jm_ | miki: yes that looks like it |
| 08:44.04 | Arnald | dom inspector |
| 08:44.11 | tarzeau | Arnald: irssi for irc. cal/.plan/finger for calendar (or agenda.app) |
| 08:44.17 | tarzeau | Arnald: js ? see links2 |
| 08:44.29 | Arnald | tarzeau: javascript DEBUGGER |
| 08:44.30 | tarzeau | Arnald: mail, gnumail.app. chat also talksoup.app |
| 08:44.38 | tarzeau | Arnald: javascript is evil. avoid it |
| 08:44.38 | Arnald | tarzeau: DOM inspector |
| 08:44.50 | stew | saintiss: and what about netstat -an | grep :80 ? |
| 08:44.54 | Arnald | tarzeau: DECENT irc, not bitchx or any nonsense |
| 08:45.00 | tarzeau | Arnald: DOM? as in domina(nt)? |
| 08:45.09 | Arnald | tarzeau: difficult to do AJAX otherwise |
| 08:45.10 | tarzeau | Arnald: i inspect my secretary tomorrow |
| 08:45.15 | stew | saintiss: err, make that netstat -anp |
| 08:45.22 | Braindead | Arnald: don't mix up shit and chocolate (bitchx and irssi) |
| 08:45.22 | Arnald | tarzeau: as in document object model |
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| 08:45.41 | Arnald | tarzeau: moz does lots of things that NO other package does |
| 08:45.52 | tarzeau | Arnald: yes including html editing |
| 08:45.53 | saintiss | stew, also nothing on :80 |
| 08:45.59 | saintiss | stew, just one on :8024 |
| 08:46.02 | tarzeau | Arnald: but it's a disaster ever since netscape |
| 08:46.07 | Arnald | rubbish |
| 08:46.12 | tarzeau | Arnald: it's bloat and buggy |
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| 08:46.14 | Arnald | it's fine |
| 08:46.15 | saintiss | stew, I also see outgoing trafic from my port 80 |
| 08:46.18 | tarzeau | it's crap |
| 08:46.31 | Arnald | it does a HUGE amount |
| 08:46.39 | Arnald | it's not really bloated |
| 08:46.50 | redcliffe | hi all - i'm having issues still with latest unstable, after dist-upgrading tonight i've got two modules missing when trying to start xorg, bitmap and pcidata |
| 08:46.53 | Arnald | it's a 12MB download FF |
| 08:46.54 | Arnald | s |
| 08:46.56 | stew | saintiss: i dunno. doesn't seem right |
| 08:47.06 | Arnald | oh and GPG inbtegration |
| 08:47.09 | redcliffe | i've just done a dist-upgrade and it replaced the xorg packages again, but i've still got the problems |
| 08:47.14 | saintiss | stew, am I supposed to see outgoing trafic with netstat -anp also? |
| 08:47.16 | tarzeau | Arnald: ever used FF w/ remote x/ |
| 08:47.22 | Arnald | there is NO replacement for mozilla and all it offers |
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| 08:47.32 | tarzeau | Arnald: it's the worst software i've seen |
| 08:47.33 | Arnald | tarzeau: FF is for windoze users |
| 08:47.36 | miki | jm_: im getting Error: unknown target.... |
| 08:47.40 | tarzeau | Arnald: it doesn't even run on debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 08:47.50 | tarzeau | Arnald: i am a windows user, and i use IE |
| 08:47.52 | stew | saintiss: it doens't know anything about which direction the connection was built in, just that a connection exists |
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| 08:48.00 | tarzeau | and i use safari |
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| 08:48.14 | Arnald | tarzeau: there is NO replacement for mozilla and all it's components, otherwise you would have pointed them out |
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| 08:48.30 | tarzeau | i did. but you ignored them. mozilla is dead |
| 08:48.36 | tarzeau | there is no more mozilla |
| 08:48.37 | redcliffe | anyone know to which package the xorg modules "bitmap" and "pcidata" |
| 08:48.45 | redcliffe | have been moved in xorg 7 |
| 08:48.48 | saintiss | stew, ic... |
| 08:48.50 | Arnald | tarzeau: I missed the js debugger and DOM inspector, can you give me them again? |
| 08:48.57 | Arnald | I'll go and investigate |
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| 08:49.27 | Arnald | tarzeau: there is seamonkey, it's the same thing |
| 08:49.37 | tarzeau | Arnald: you write homepages with js? |
| 08:49.43 | tarzeau | Arnald: it's a different name |
| 08:49.45 | stew | redcliffe: xserver-xorg-core |
| 08:49.47 | Arnald | I'm looking at AJAX |
| 08:49.54 | tarzeau | Arnald: that's the worst thing you can do. change the name with every release |
| 08:50.07 | Arnald | also there is a java console and javascript console - add those to the list |
| 08:50.10 | tarzeau | Arnald: netscape,mozilla,firefox/thunderbird,seamonkey... what next? |
| 08:50.22 | tarzeau | Arnald: that's nothing anyone needs |
| 08:50.26 | tarzeau | Arnald: i want a browser |
| 08:50.28 | Arnald | tarzeau: you obviously know very little about this |
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| 08:50.33 | redcliffe | stew: hrmm ok thanks, i've reinstalled that several times, it's at latest version, and i'm still getting the error message that i'm missing modules bitmap and pcidata |
| 08:50.43 | tarzeau | Arnald: you obviously have no idea about web history |
| 08:50.45 | Arnald | I don't care what you want, I care what I want ;) |
| 08:50.50 | tarzeau | Arnald: egoist! |
| 08:51.02 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me with http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
| 08:51.05 | EruditeHermit | err |
| 08:51.11 | Arnald | tarzeau: I was on the web when it fist kicked off, thanks |
| 08:51.12 | stew | redcliffe: do you have a ModulesPath defined in xorg.conf? |
| 08:51.15 | EruditeHermit | I mean http://rafb.net/paste/results/XZLUCB63.html |
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| 08:51.17 | Arnald | I remember mosaic |
| 08:51.23 | tarzeau | Arnald: that was not the first browser! |
| 08:51.29 | tarzeau | Arnald: i have used WorldWideWeb.app |
| 08:51.31 | Arnald | and mozilla has changed names ONCE |
| 08:51.38 | Braindead | in my times we only had gopher. AND WE LIKED IT |
| 08:51.55 | tarzeau | Braindead: yes sweety |
| 08:52.04 | jes-o-mat | bla bla bla |
| 08:52.30 | Braindead | thanks cupcake |
| 08:52.32 | jes-o-mat | and I connected the first four univerities together ... |
| 08:52.38 | Arnald | what about ftpmail? |
| 08:52.44 | Arnald | archie? |
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| 08:52.51 | tarzeau | i ascended in nethack |
| 08:52.57 | sep | fidonet rocks! |
| 08:54.10 | Arnald | Oh well, looks like I have to go it alone with seamonkey - so be it! |
| 08:54.10 | liable | jes-o-mat: heh |
| 08:54.21 | tarzeau | Arnald: i bet you also use openoffice.org |
| 08:54.22 | Arnald | FF can go to hell |
| 08:54.23 | jes-o-mat | liable: hoh |
| 08:54.29 | Arnald | tarzeau: if I have to, yes |
| 08:54.36 | Arnald | I don't like writing documents |
| 08:55.03 | Arnald | tarzeau: what about you, SAIG? |
| 08:55.07 | Arnald | SIAG |
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| 08:55.24 | tarzeau | Arnald: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 08:55.32 | jes-o-mat | one question. who like writing documents? =) |
| 08:55.37 | miki | anyone can help me with make-kpkg --initrd? i cant get it to work |
| 08:55.51 | tarzeau | Arnald: see openwrite and parasheet |
| 08:56.27 | tarzeau | if your webpage doesn't work in the very first graphical web browser, it's not worth it |
| 08:56.50 | Arnald | I'm still waiting for openstep to take off . . . ;) |
| 08:56.51 | tarzeau | yes, my webpage works in WorldWideWeb |
| 08:57.10 | Guerin | miki: it works. |
| 08:57.14 | Guerin | tarzeau: g'day |
| 08:57.18 | tarzeau | Arnald: it does. it's called GNUstep |
| 08:57.18 | antoine | Hi everybody |
| 08:57.21 | tarzeau | hi Guerin |
| 08:57.21 | Arnald | think I'd rather go with abiword and gnumeric |
| 08:57.39 | Guerin | i'd rather go with emacs |
| 08:57.44 | Arnald | tarzeau: but who uses it? I saw a live CD about two years ago . . |
| 08:57.45 | antoine | I have a big trouble with the transition Xorg 6.9 -> 7 |
| 08:57.51 | Guerin | gui word processors are a waste of air |
| 08:57.56 | tarzeau | Arnald: i do. a new version is in teh works |
| 08:57.58 | Guerin | antoine: you and everyone else |
| 08:57.59 | antoine | My keyboard no longer works |
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| 08:58.05 | tarzeau | Guerin: emacs is good :) |
| 08:58.11 | miki | Guerin: it wont work for me, i getting errors when i type just 'make-kpkg --initrd' and i cant add any path/filename to it cuz it will say that target line is incorrect |
| 08:58.21 | setog3 | tarzeau: tsss ... |
| 08:58.28 | Guerin | miki: that's because you're not following the instructions |
| 08:58.31 | Arnald | tarzeau: I keep an eye on lots of things, but at any rate I'm not going to get excited about office S/W ;) |
| 08:58.39 | antoine | Guerin, but my problem is not in the wiki neither in the bugs |
| 08:58.40 | Guerin | miki: /msg dpkg kp mantra; jusst add --initrd to it |
| 08:59.00 | tarzeau | setog3: can you not talk? |
| 08:59.10 | Guerin | antoine: i'm just running the update now |
| 08:59.25 | miki | Guerin: this will make whole new kernel image? i just need initrd, i got image already |
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| 08:59.58 | Guerin | miki: then use mkinitrd |
| 09:00.54 | Guerin | oo, modular xorg |
| 09:00.54 | miki | Guering: but i dont know how to point it to kernel file, sience its kinda problematic... few options are before path and few others after |
| 09:01.08 | Guerin | miki: mkinitrd has a manpage |
| 09:01.18 | Guerin | i don't know it off by heart |
| 09:01.19 | Guerin | in fact |
| 09:01.25 | Guerin | i suggest not using an initrd |
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| 09:01.29 | Guerin | at all |
| 09:01.40 | jm_ | Guerin: he has tried all this but he doesn't really know what he's doing ;) |
| 09:01.46 | jm_ | and hi! |
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| 09:03.43 | miki | Guerin: without initrd im getting kernel panic |
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| 09:04.32 | Guerin | miki: build your root filesystem and root disk adaptors in |
| 09:04.40 | Guerin | jm_: g'day mate |
| 09:04.42 | liable | miki: compile the right drivers in then. if you are gonna compile a kernel, why bother with an initrd? |
| 09:05.17 | unstable | http://www.digg.com/security/Why_Windows_is_less_secure_than_Linux_2 |
| 09:05.28 | speedy | I'm looking forward to have highly available linux servers running qmail incase of first node gone down the 2nd take care of things, any recommendations? |
| 09:05.35 | unstable | heh, Look at the digram of memory for a web server serving up a picture file |
| 09:05.37 | unstable | That's nuts |
| 09:05.40 | tarzeau | unstable: FUT |
| 09:05.42 | miki | liable: i just edited my current, default kernel to enable agp |
| 09:05.43 | tarzeau | FUD |
| 09:06.04 | Guerin | speedy: my first recommendation is: never use qmail |
| 09:06.25 | liable | miki: so, do it again to add the three or so more neccessary drivers. |
| 09:06.31 | speedy | Uberriffic: erin why not? |
| 09:06.41 | unstable | http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/SysCallIIS.jpg |
| 09:06.49 | speedy | sorry Guerin |
| 09:06.50 | unstable | http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/SysCallApache.jpg |
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| 09:07.02 | miki | liable: i dont know wich drivers should i add |
| 09:07.16 | Guerin | speedy: qmail's stock distribution causes it to send two email messages for every spam it recieves, thereby tripling the number of spam through that node |
| 09:07.27 | liable | miki: your filesystem and controller is a good bet |
| 09:08.03 | miki | aight...i will run make menuconfig again now... |
| 09:08.09 | Guerin | miki: if you don't know what filesystem, you're using ext2 or ext3. You can find your IDE or sata controller by reading lspci |
| 09:08.24 | miki | its ext2 |
| 09:09.07 | miki | i dont know where in menuconfig i can search fot those tho, sience there are so many options |
| 09:09.18 | Guerin | miki: under 'filesystems' |
| 09:09.19 | Guerin | strangely |
| 09:09.55 | liable | miki: take the time to actually read through the help options in the kernel. you might actually learn something :) |
| 09:10.08 | speedy | Guerin then what do you recommend other than qmail? |
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| 09:10.12 | jm_ | now you see why I told him to use make-kpkg ;) |
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| 09:11.31 | EruditeHermit | hey is there a way to reinstall every package currently on the system? |
| 09:11.41 | liable | !reinstall |
| 09:11.41 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 09:12.08 | Braindead | EruditeHermit: the point is: why? |
| 09:12.17 | EruditeHermit | Braindead: the above error |
| 09:12.23 | Guerin | speedy: postfix or exim; your choice |
| 09:12.27 | EruditeHermit | Braindead: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XZLUCB63.html |
| 09:12.33 | miki | actually ext2 and ext3 were added by defaullt... |
| 09:12.36 | Guerin | speedy: i use postfix and recommend it most wholeheartedly |
| 09:12.40 | Zugschlus | !start an mta war |
| 09:12.40 | dpkg | postfix has shitty documentation |
| 09:12.44 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:12.49 | Guerin | actually |
| 09:12.55 | Guerin | postfix has GOOD documentation |
| 09:12.56 | liable | thats backwards. |
| 09:13.01 | Guerin | strange, but true |
| 09:13.26 | Guerin | liable: i bet I'm in a hotter coun try than you, for a change |
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| 09:13.45 | liable | Guerin: i moved! now on the coast :) |
| 09:14.01 | Guerin | liable: which one? the gold one? |
| 09:14.16 | liable | Guerin: above, whitsundays :) |
| 09:14.23 | Guerin | oh yeh |
| 09:14.34 | Guerin | i'm in Nam, on the Central Coast |
| 09:14.37 | liable | Guerin: though, the asshole of the whitsundays.. Mackay. |
| 09:14.45 | Guerin | liable: never been there anyway |
| 09:14.47 | EruditeHermit | Braindead: any ideas? |
| 09:14.52 | syntrx | "the state of fourex" |
| 09:15.02 | liable | Guerin: made it through the middle east ok? |
| 09:15.26 | Guerin | actually, if someone were to come aand hand me a chilled xxxx right now, I would shake them by the hand most gratefully |
| 09:15.38 | liable | even a VB? |
| 09:15.39 | Guerin | liable: nowhere near |
| 09:15.42 | syntrx | that's what reminded me |
| 09:15.46 | Guerin | liable: i'd draw the line at a VB |
| 09:15.51 | liable | hah |
| 09:15.56 | syntrx | cousin bought it for me |
| 09:15.57 | Guerin | vietnamese beer ain't THAT bad |
| 09:16.03 | syntrx | as it happens, he's from mackay |
| 09:16.05 | liable | aww |
| 09:16.31 | syntrx | he couldnt understand why when we went to a club here (canb), and he said "a pot a fourex thanks mate" to the bartender, he got a strange look |
| 09:16.46 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:16.56 | liable | syntrx: they dont have it down there? |
| 09:17.15 | syntrx | nowhere has it on tap, and only some have stubbies |
| 09:17.15 | Guerin | that must be why they can play rugby |
| 09:17.56 | miki | there must be something wrong with my mkinitrd, im doing things exacly same as in HOWTO and im getting same errors |
| 09:18.11 | Guerin | miki: i very much doubt it |
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| 09:18.16 | syntrx | remember the old "i can feel a fourex coming on..." jingle? whoever wrote that reckons xxxx is beneficial to qld's rugby league talent |
| 09:18.31 | Guerin | haha |
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| 09:18.44 | miki | Guerin: i retyped everything letter-to-letter and it wont run while in hoto it says that it should run |
| 09:18.56 | Guerin | miki: which howto? |
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| 09:19.18 | syntrx | gotta be an old jingle, it's from when most people remembered who wally lewis was |
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| 09:20.01 | miki | mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.4.18-0.12-jul2001.img 2.4.18-0.12-jul2001 |
| 09:20.12 | liable | miki: just build the drivers in. to read all the options in a kernel takes less than an hour. we have given you the hint that you only need your fs and controller compiled in which should narrow it down. you have being doing this for much much longer.. |
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| 09:20.32 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 09:20.41 | Guerin | why the FUCK are you building 2.4.18? |
| 09:20.49 | miki | liable: but i ran make menuconfig and i had ex2 and ext3 drivers by default |
| 09:20.49 | Guerin | that's the stupidest thing I ever saw |
| 09:20.59 | miki | im not building |
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| 09:21.05 | syntrx | hahaha |
| 09:21.06 | znoka | after upgrading to kernel-2.6.15, one X-application i was using loses its color. There are warnings such as: Warning: Color name "SkyBlue1" is not defined. Where is the problem? |
| 09:21.09 | miki | guide is outdated |
| 09:21.15 | Guerin | miki: you also need your root drive controller in, and you also also need to build 2.4.31 or whatever the latest one is |
| 09:21.25 | jm_ | znok.rgb.txt |
| 09:21.25 | fireba11 | miki maybe that is why it won't work ? |
| 09:21.28 | liable | miki: err, modules or 'yes' and what about your ide/scsi (harddrive) controller? |
| 09:21.56 | miki | liable: where is controller thing in menuconfig |
| 09:22.08 | Guerin | miki: depends on what controller |
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| 09:22.32 | liable | miki: have a poke around and read. |
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| 09:22.50 | liable | miki: check device drivers... |
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| 09:23.14 | znoka | jm_: you mean rgb.txt changes with kernel version? |
| 09:23.45 | geckosenator | what is the best way to run some commands at boot after everything else has loaded? |
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| 09:23.52 | liable | Guerin: isnt it dry season there anyway? |
| 09:23.52 | Guerin | Granis`: bootmisc.sh |
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| 09:23.56 | Guerin | geckosenator: |
| 09:24.12 | Guerin | liable: it's the end of the little monsoon, where it drizzzles all the time |
| 09:24.20 | liable | miki: its old as fuck, but still has pertenant info.. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 09:24.23 | geckosenator | Guerin: i see nothing |
| 09:24.24 | Guerin | we missed that, though, and it is now freaking hot and dry |
| 09:24.34 | Guerin | geckosenator: look harder |
| 09:24.56 | znoka | Guerin is back together with his profanities. |
| 09:25.03 | syntrx | we haven't had major rain here (act) for a couple of months |
| 09:25.07 | Guerin | znoka: we were never apart |
| 09:25.15 | znoka | hahaha |
| 09:25.16 | geckosenator | Guerin: you said my name and a blank line |
| 09:25.16 | Braindead | Guerin: bootmisc is a bit to early. geckosenator needs a "rc.local" |
| 09:25.16 | jm_ | znoka: no, it comes with X |
| 09:25.24 | geckosenator | Braindead: right |
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| 09:25.32 | syntrx | back to drought most likely |
| 09:25.33 | geckosenator | I need what gentoo calles rc.local |
| 09:25.38 | Guerin | Braindead: since bootmisc defaultly runs at 99, i don't see how it could get much later |
| 09:25.45 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 09:25.46 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 09:25.48 | syntrx | filthy nsw towns stealing our water too (i.e. yass) |
| 09:25.55 | Braindead | Guerin: it runs in rcS ... |
| 09:26.34 | Braindead | ubuntu still implements it,despite being "deprecated" |
| 09:26.35 | Guerin | Braindead: it's still customisable, and you can copy it and make one per runlevel |
| 09:27.03 | znoka | jm_: what can i do about rgb.txt is the colors are not there? edit them in manually? |
| 09:27.04 | miki | so i got all ext2/ext3/IDE things selected by default |
| 09:27.08 | Braindead | Guerin: of course I was going to say "roll your own little bash script and use update-rc.d" |
| 09:27.55 | Braindead | and btw I was going to say that he's a RICER |
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| 09:28.02 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:28.17 | znoka | Guerin: where have you been all these while? |
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| 09:28.27 | Guerin | znoka: http://rt2k6.feayn.org |
| 09:28.30 | miki | few parts of IDE configuration are saying that i need modules to run those |
| 09:28.34 | Braindead | Guerin: you can't do wheelies on a Honda Cub |
| 09:28.59 | Guerin | Braindead: indeed you can't. This is a Honda Dream, and you can't do wheelies on one of them, either. |
| 09:29.22 | Braindead | ahah. you can do stoppies at least |
| 09:29.35 | liable | cant grab it between the knees and lift it up and give it to it? |
| 09:29.37 | Braindead | if you find a road with decent pavement... |
| 09:29.41 | Guerin | Braindead: not on this one; soft brakes |
| 09:29.48 | liable | err... the bike.. |
| 09:30.03 | Guerin | anyway |
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| 09:30.19 | Guerin | the roads are so crowded that that sort of thing is license for people to run you over |
| 09:30.25 | Guerin | in their own honda dreams |
| 09:30.28 | kgoetz | hi all. i'm wondering how to change the default file asociation for .doc files under debian sarge, openoofice 1.1.3. its currently abiword, but i want to remove abiword |
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| 09:30.31 | jm_ | znoka: see #343389 |
| 09:30.44 | Guerin | being as honda dreams appear to make up ~80% of vehicle traffic here |
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| 09:31.07 | tarzeau | kgoetz: man update-alternatives |
| 09:31.11 | Guerin | kgoetz: that's dependent upon your filemanager or whatever app you start things from |
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| 09:31.16 | znoka | Guerin: why were in Nam? the war there ended more than 30 yrs ago. |
| 09:31.16 | liable | kgoetz: what wm?/dm? |
| 09:31.24 | kgoetz | tarzeau, i looked there, not much love. |
| 09:31.30 | znoka | Guerin: don't u know? |
| 09:31.32 | Guerin | znoka: you didn't read the site, did you? |
| 09:31.38 | kgoetz | Guerin, liable gnome 2.08 (sorry) |
| 09:31.42 | tarzeau | kgoetz: or maybe man mailcap |
| 09:32.03 | liable | kgoetz: it would have a file association thing somewhere |
| 09:32.04 | Guerin | kgoetz: good luck. |
| 09:32.11 | kgoetz | :s |
| 09:32.11 | tarzeau | kgoetz: the truth is you want to get rid of .doc files |
| 09:32.13 | znoka | Guerin: u have no sense of humor or u lost it in Nam. |
| 09:32.27 | Guerin | !u |
| 09:32.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:32.31 | kgoetz | tarzeau, i totaly agree, but we cant controll what we get sent here :( |
| 09:32.42 | znoka | Guerin: i m not Jim. |
| 09:32.55 | kgoetz | lol |
| 09:33.12 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.31 | seto | can someone help me I just want to try apt-build but I get this error Unable to find binary candidate for package ... with all package , do you have the same errors ? |
| 09:33.34 | znoka | Guerin: is that suppose to be the middle finger? |
| 09:33.46 | liable | ohnos, lolman lost his legs! :P |
| 09:33.48 | Guerin | znoka: i was waiting for someone to finish the loldude |
| 09:33.49 | tarzeau | Guerin: looks like a lol zombie monster |
| 09:34.02 | znoka | hahaha |
| 09:34.03 | tarzeau | add |_ next time |
| 09:34.12 | Guerin | znoka: a middle finger is like ,.|.. |
| 09:34.25 | tarzeau | !banana |
| 09:34.25 | dpkg | methinks banana is a fruit, or banana.com, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/lucio/banana.txt, or http://www.filmbuffs.net/bananana/ |
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| 09:34.52 | Guerin | bananaphone! |
| 09:34.58 | tarzeau | did i tell bananas are great with gfs? |
| 09:34.59 | kgoetz | Guerin, do you think i would have more luck asking the question in #gnome? |
| 09:35.04 | znoka | Guerin: no, its like this: ^|^. upside down. |
| 09:35.11 | Guerin | kgoetz: probably not, but it's worth a try |
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| 09:35.28 | kgoetz | ah well. i'll give it a shot |
| 09:35.34 | dooglus | I'm using a pcmcia card in my laptop to give me a USB2.0 port, and I'm plugging a USB-to-Ethernet adaptor into that. My maximum download speed is around 150 KB/s, even on the LAN. Why? How can I fix it? |
| 09:35.34 | Guerin | znoka: no, that's a bat carrying a chocolate bar |
| 09:35.58 | Guerin | dooglus: most usb eth adaptors are worthlessly shite |
| 09:36.16 | Guerin | dooglus: in fac, mine doesn't even work with my usb2 pcmcia |
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| 09:36.26 | znoka | ok, i have had enough. bye. |
| 09:36.29 | dooglus | Guerin: mine works, but slowly. |
| 09:36.36 | debianuser | someone here know how to use Preforce? |
| 09:36.44 | debianuser | i would like to kknow few advices |
| 09:36.46 | syntrx | the drivers for some kinda suck too |
| 09:36.47 | liable | dooglus: i think you should actually be happy it works at all |
| 09:36.48 | Guerin | !anyone use Preforce? |
| 09:36.48 | dpkg | No, no one uses Preforce, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:36.50 | dooglus | Guerin: even if it was connecting at USB1.1 speeds, that's still around 1MB/s, right? I'm getting a tenth of that. |
| 09:37.03 | debianuser | XD lol |
| 09:37.04 | dooglus | liable: 100KB/s isn't fast enough to watch streaming video |
| 09:37.07 | tarzeau | dooglus: got a keyboard or usb mouse ? |
| 09:37.12 | dooglus | tarzeau: nope |
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| 09:37.17 | Guerin | dooglus: yeah. USB1.1 should net you about 600-900k/s after overheads and stuff |
| 09:37.18 | tarzeau | dooglus: other slow usb device? |
| 09:37.19 | dooglus | tarzeau: nothing else is connected |
| 09:37.30 | syntrx | dooglus: i'd suggest hitting ebay for a $5 pcmcia ethernet card. |
| 09:38.00 | dooglus | syntrx: the reason I went this way is that I would like to be able to use my external USB2 hard disk at the same time. |
| 09:38.07 | dooglus | syntrx: not that I've tried that yet. |
| 09:38.12 | liable | dooglus: so get a real laptop that has an ethernet port or a modem that doesnt suck |
| 09:38.18 | dooglus | syntrx: I don't have USB2 ports, other than the 2 in the pcmcia card |
| 09:38.26 | dooglus | liable: it has an ethernet port |
| 09:38.30 | dooglus | liable: but it doesn't work |
| 09:38.49 | syntrx | doesnt work in linux, or doesnt work as in completely dead? |
| 09:38.51 | liable | dooglus: no driver? |
| 09:38.54 | syntrx | what model laptop? |
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| 09:39.13 | dooglus | syntrx: doesn't work as in the port isn't soldered to the motherboard any more |
| 09:39.17 | syntrx | ahh |
| 09:39.24 | debianuser | i would like to know how to resync all files with preforce from the start. thanks you |
| 09:39.26 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:39.33 | syntrx | excessive air gap ;) |
| 09:39.36 | zrin | hi to find out WHY a "device is busy" and cannot be umount-ed? |
| 09:39.37 | Guerin | dooglus: ask the authors |
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| 09:39.44 | tarzeau | zrin: fuser |
| 09:39.49 | Guerin | zrin: fuser, lsof |
| 09:40.01 | Guerin | zrin: most commonly, you're still cd'ed into it |
| 09:40.06 | dooglus | syntrx: it works if you press the cable in REALLY hard, but my fingers start going numb after a minute or so. and if you release the pressure just a little bit, the connection goes down. |
| 09:40.15 | Guerin | dooglus: solder! |
| 09:40.25 | liable | or wife! |
| 09:40.26 | dooglus | Guerin: I can't even open the case |
| 09:40.32 | Guerin | dooglus: whyever not? |
| 09:40.50 | dooglus | Guerin: not sure. I've taken out about 50 screws, but it won't open still |
| 09:40.55 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:41.03 | liable | theres no manual? |
| 09:41.06 | Guerin | it's not about how many ... it's about which screws |
| 09:41.10 | syntrx | yep |
| 09:41.18 | dooglus | well, I took out every screw I could see |
| 09:41.34 | syntrx | you have to pop the plastic tabs too |
| 09:41.46 | Guerin | you might have to get at it from under the keyboard |
| 09:41.47 | syntrx | in the shell |
| 09:41.50 | Guerin | depends on the machine |
| 09:41.55 | dooglus | the manual tells me things like "to reset the PC to factory conditions insert the CD and reboot; this will reinstall Windows XP" |
| 09:41.59 | syntrx | yeah, i missed the 'might' |
| 09:42.08 | crypt_ex | wheres Firefox plugin browser in Debian? |
| 09:42.17 | liable | dooglus: no, a maintenance maual |
| 09:42.21 | liable | manual |
| 09:42.26 | dooglus | liable: it didn't come with one of them |
| 09:42.27 | Braindead | crypt_ex: about:plugins ? |
| 09:42.27 | Guerin | crypt_ex: your question makes no sense |
| 09:42.31 | zrin | so fuser /new should be enough? it shows nothing? |
| 09:42.34 | liable | dooglus: check the web site |
| 09:42.40 | syntrx | or get a dell business grade machine (like a latitude. i can strip down and reassemble a latitude cpi in about 15 mins) |
| 09:42.43 | tarzeau | zrin: fuser /whateverfile |
| 09:42.46 | dooglus | liable: I've not been able to find that, either |
| 09:42.51 | tarzeau | zrin: and -k gets rid of whatever user is locking it |
| 09:43.10 | zrin | tarzeau: fuser /new ... -> empty list |
| 09:43.13 | liable | dooglus: buy a thinkpad |
| 09:43.23 | tarzeau | zrin: where did you get this piece of shit of /new from? NOT ME |
| 09:43.31 | dooglus | liable: the closest to a website I've found is http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/laptop/7009.htm |
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| 09:43.36 | tarzeau | zrin: oh wait you have a file called /new ? |
| 09:43.38 | Guerin | i think he might have something mounted on /new |
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| 09:43.40 | Guerin | yeh |
| 09:43.40 | zrin | tarzeau: /new is the mount point |
| 09:43.43 | tarzeau | YUCK |
| 09:43.49 | crypt_ex | Braindead, not sure how to get to that tab. |
| 09:43.59 | zrin | tarzeau: for the new hard drive |
| 09:44.02 | crypt_ex | Guerin, sorry about that, long night :( |
| 09:44.14 | Braindead | crypt_ex: in the url bar. write about:plugins and then press enter. simple enough? |
| 09:44.16 | zrin | tarzeau: could have called it "target" |
| 09:44.23 | crypt_ex | Braindead, cheers |
| 09:44.39 | dooglus | so is there any way to find out which component is causing the slow network access? |
| 09:44.41 | zrin | tarzeau: anyway, I'd like to umount it now |
| 09:45.00 | dooglus | are they any commands which will give me any insight into what's going on? |
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| 09:45.55 | Braindead | zrin: are you sure there's no process accessing /new/foo/bar ? a bash shell,for example |
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| 09:46.20 | zrin | Braindead: pretty sure; ... looking at lsof now |
| 09:46.26 | Guerin | dooglus: using a gui filemanager, or something with FAM? |
| 09:46.30 | Guerin | like gnome or kde |
| 09:46.33 | Den | Hi - Sarge ISO fails to install cause it cant "insmod ohci1394" - it says the module isn't there - any suggestions?? |
| 09:46.35 | Guerin | both use fam, iirc |
| 09:46.35 | metellius | a question about the network interfaces file... what is the relation between the return-value of the mapping script and the standard output it produces? i thought it only depended on the return value of the script and set the logical name according to the map-line? |
| 09:46.51 | dooglus | Guerin: excuse me? |
| 09:46.56 | Guerin | Den: run it in expert and remove that module from the list |
| 09:47.18 | Guerin | Den: gnome and kde's filemanager widgets both use fam, which holds dirs open for monitoring |
| 09:47.19 | Den | Guerin: It needs the module to access the cdrom |
| 09:47.29 | Guerin | bah, dooglus |
| 09:47.39 | zrin | Braindead: aha, "xterm 4358 root cwd DIR 253,1 1024 2 /new" - it's cwd was obviously new, hmm |
| 09:47.39 | Guerin | Den: why? |
| 09:47.52 | Guerin | that''s normally the case |
| 09:47.59 | Den | Guerin: Sony laptop with basestartion, firewire cdrom |
| 09:48.04 | Guerin | oh god |
| 09:48.16 | liable | yes? |
| 09:48.21 | zrin | tarzeau: what is the proper name (TM) for a temp mount point with the new HD'd file sys to be filled? :) |
| 09:48.27 | Den | Guerin: can i get that module installed somehow? |
| 09:48.28 | Guerin | Den: use something other than sarge, or one of the sarge+new kernel things |
| 09:48.40 | liable | zrin: you can name it whatever you want |
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| 09:48.45 | Guerin | Den: or /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 09:48.51 | zrin | liable: even /new ? ;) |
| 09:48.55 | Guerin | zrin: /mnt/something |
| 09:48.58 | liable | zrin: indeed :) |
| 09:49.09 | zrin | liable: thank you very much! :) |
| 09:49.11 | Den | Guerin: what is "one of the sarge+new kernel things" |
| 09:49.23 | Guerin | Den: a custom d-i |
| 09:49.30 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:49.30 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.14] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 09:49.37 | Guerin | like that |
| 09:49.38 | sep | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 09:49.38 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 09:49.43 | Guerin | oo |
| 09:49.45 | Guerin | yet more |
| 09:49.47 | sep | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 09:49.55 | sep | hmm not yet it seams :) |
| 09:50.41 | peoro | ciao o,o |
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| 09:53.47 | Den | Guerin: Building a custom installed kernel is more that I've got time for - but Sarege should have firewire ability for installing - Should I notify someone about this? Can you do anygthing to get firewire into the released sarge iso? |
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| 09:54.18 | geckosenator | compiling a kernel is trivial |
| 09:54.47 | liable | not for an installer.. (well the compile is, not the adding to the installer) |
| 09:55.00 | Guerin | Den: why should it? |
| 09:55.24 | zrin | I managed to get block devices for a (fake - I know it is bad) RAID drive and partitions in /dev/mapper/via_xyz and mount them. Will I be able to boot of that RAID somehow? |
| 09:55.28 | Den | Guerin: ?? - cause it should be installable with a firewire cdrom? |
| 09:55.54 | Den | Guerin: right? |
| 09:56.02 | Braindead | Den: use knoppix|whatever + debootstrap |
| 09:56.03 | Guerin | Den: you're the forst person I've ever heard of with a firewire cdrom as their only possible installation method |
| 09:56.15 | geckosenator | wow that is cool |
| 09:56.25 | geckosenator | i have heard of scsi cdrom over parallel port |
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| 09:56.39 | Guerin | can your cdrom not do usb? |
| 09:56.41 | Den | Braindead: what is "+ debootstrap" |
| 09:56.59 | geckosenator | what about floppy disk? |
| 09:57.02 | Guerin | and, i mean - if it has a base station, why can't it connect directly to that |
| 09:57.02 | Braindead | Den: google it |
| 09:57.03 | liable | Den: are you installing with the 2.6? |
| 09:57.31 | Den | liable: I spose so - I want to get testing+KDAE |
| 09:57.53 | Den | liable: I'm just using the standard released sarge iso |
| 09:57.56 | liable | Den: um, no. this is a sarge install cd? |
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| 09:58.06 | Guerin | well |
| 09:58.17 | Guerin | sarge d-i install testing |
| 09:58.21 | Den | liable: yes, a sarge insatall cd |
| 09:58.21 | Guerin | can |
| 09:58.37 | Den | Guerin: ?? |
| 09:58.42 | liable | Den: boot option linux26 |
| 09:58.43 | Guerin | sarge d-i can install testing |
| 09:59.01 | Den | Guerin: not if it can't see the cderonm |
| 09:59.13 | Guerin | no, obviously |
| 09:59.13 | Den | Guerin: right? |
| 09:59.21 | Guerin | separate issue |
| 10:00.32 | Den | Isn't there some way to just get the Sarge ohci1394 module, & use it during the install? |
| 10:00.48 | Den | Maybe put it on a floppy? |
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| 10:01.16 | Den | ?? |
| 10:01.18 | liable | boot the 2.6 kernel and see what happens.. |
| 10:01.19 | Guerin | Den: no |
| 10:01.25 | Guerin | do try the 2.6 kernel |
| 10:01.30 | geckosenator | Den: do you have any other media? |
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| 10:01.43 | Guerin | you can boot debian off a floppy disk, and install |
| 10:01.44 | Den | liable: is the sarge install cd not 2.6? |
| 10:01.54 | Guerin | Den: default is 2.4 |
| 10:01.56 | geckosenator | Den: I'm pretty sure you can compile the module then put it on a floppy |
| 10:02.08 | liable | Den: not by default. as i said, boot option .. linux26 |
| 10:02.21 | geckosenator | Den: what about netboot? |
| 10:02.26 | Den | geckosenator: floppy, hard disk |
| 10:02.49 | geckosenator | netboot and netinstall is great |
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| 10:03.10 | E-bola | Why cant i install the linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7_2.6.15-8_i386.deb package from testing on ym sarge? |
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| 10:03.21 | E-bola | is there a better way to upgrade to a debian stock kernel in sarge? |
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| 10:03.59 | sep | E-bola, i'd use the kernel images from backports |
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| 10:04.15 | liable | Den: if you can boot from flopy, why not use that? |
| 10:04.30 | Den | geckosenator: Net boot: I've got wifi, which needs a ssl web broswer (links?) to log into the network - how can I get links running with the net install, floppy install, etc? |
| 10:05.45 | Den | Anyone - Howto links ssl during netboot iso??? |
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| 10:06.29 | geckosenator | oh |
| 10:06.36 | geckosenator | i don't know how to netboot from wireless |
| 10:06.38 | geckosenator | sorry |
| 10:06.50 | geckosenator | I have done a cd boot with netinstall that way :-/ |
| 10:06.53 | E-bola | sep: ile try that thanks |
| 10:07.05 | sep | E-bola, read the instructionas |
| 10:07.23 | Eulex_ | Den: use elinks. that one supports ssl. links2 doesn't. |
| 10:07.25 | Den | liable: Guerin ?? netboot needs links web browser - how can I do that? |
| 10:07.43 | liable | Den: just try the 2.6 kernel first |
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| 10:08.04 | geckosenator | Den: your best bet is a floppy boot of some tiny linux distro, and either debootstrap, or download the cd iso and mount it loopback and install from it |
| 10:08.06 | Den | Eulex: how can I run elinks during the debian install proceess at net activation time? |
| 10:08.16 | liable | Den: you cant |
| 10:08.18 | sep | den: you can not |
| 10:08.18 | geckosenator | Eulex_: it won't help you much with net booting |
| 10:08.25 | Braindead | Den: first off try linux26 at boot. then we'll see |
| 10:08.33 | geckosenator | Den: sure you can, just switch to tty2 |
| 10:08.40 | sep | den if you set up a box that acts as a router/gateway for your network you can , but not directly |
| 10:08.54 | Eulex_ | geckosenator: indeed; I don't really know what the issue is, I just joined. |
| 10:09.00 | dooglus | hey. I just started getting over 1MB/s on my network now - and I didn't change anything. this is weird. |
| 10:09.16 | geckosenator | Eulex_: he is trying to install on either: a wifi card, a floppy disk, a firewire cdrom |
| 10:09.23 | Den | geckosenator: ok, on tty2, how do I run elinks?? |
| 10:09.30 | geckosenator | Den: type elinks |
| 10:09.37 | liable | geckosenator: how does that work? switching to vt2? |
| 10:09.44 | gba | Hi. I have x-window-system-core installed and on top of that fluxbox(speaking of sarge as platform here). Now, I have the problem that after 10 minutes(or something more) my screen goes blank (or black). How can I disable this, please? |
| 10:09.50 | Braindead | there must be a murphy's law about people without any hint of clue wanting to use exotic hardware .... |
| 10:09.52 | Den | geckosenator: I think I did, but it's not there on the sarge iso, correct? |
| 10:09.53 | geckosenator | liable: sure |
| 10:10.12 | geckosenator | Den: I don't know, if it isn't get something that has it |
| 10:10.29 | ifvoid | gba: you mean like, a sreensaver? |
| 10:10.31 | Den | geckosenator: I think I typed "e<tab><tab>" - no elinks shows up |
| 10:10.32 | geckosenator | gba: ask in #fluxbox |
| 10:10.49 | gba | ifvoid, I don't have a screensaver installed |
| 10:10.51 | Braindead | nope. he wants to disable dpms |
| 10:10.52 | geckosenator | Den: then you need to get it somehow, floppy disk, burn another cd etc.. |
| 10:10.57 | Braindead | gba: man xset |
| 10:10.57 | Den | geckosenator: "something that has it"= what? |
| 10:11.10 | gba | Braindead, ahh, okay, thanks |
| 10:11.14 | geckosenator | Den: it's free source code on the internet, download and compile |
| 10:11.18 | ifvoid | gba: what does xset q say about DPMS? |
| 10:11.18 | Den | Thanks everyone - I'll try to use 2.6 |
| 10:11.21 | geckosenator | Den: it's obvious you can use the internet |
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| 10:12.02 | gba | ifvoid, DPMS is enabled ... Monitor is on |
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| 10:12.13 | liable | luckily, i am out of beer. |
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| 10:12.22 | ifvoid | gba: xset -dpms should disable it |
| 10:12.22 | _pagey | damn |
| 10:12.50 | gba | ifvoid, perfect , thank you very much. |
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| 10:15.28 | liable | hrm, woulda thought he would be able to get help there. |
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| 10:19.33 | pattern | is anyone familiar with debugging privoxy filter actions? |
| 10:19.58 | dooglus | pattern: yes |
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| 10:20.18 | dooglus | pattern: they're just regular expressions pretty much |
| 10:20.44 | dooglus | pattern: start with something simple, turn on full logging, and built up to more complex things |
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| 10:22.07 | pattern | dooglus, i'm familiar with regexes, and i've turned on full logging |
| 10:22.15 | GTX | Hi |
| 10:22.16 | pattern | but even the simplest filter isn't working |
| 10:22.36 | pattern | FILTER: foo test |
| 10:22.44 | pattern | s/href=/abcdefg/g |
| 10:22.48 | pattern | that doesn't work |
| 10:22.55 | diazepam | guys i know this question has probally been asked more than you care to recall - however one more time for the record. I get video but no sound. I cant seem to find a solution on the web. Any suggestions? |
| 10:22.58 | pattern | the log file reports that it's activated, but it doesn't match |
| 10:23.18 | jm_ | s/ ? |
| 10:23.20 | pattern | and yet there're plenty of "href=" in the source |
| 10:23.30 | pattern | jm, regex substitution |
| 10:24.03 | jm_ | pattern: I thought privoxy does not support s/// syntax |
| 10:24.04 | Eulex_ | diazepam: in some video player? have you got the needed video codecs installed? |
| 10:24.10 | pattern | jm, it does |
| 10:24.29 | pattern | jm, http://www.privoxy.org/user-manual/filter-file.html |
| 10:24.37 | diazepam | Eulex - have tried mplayer, totem, gzine |
| 10:24.47 | jm_ | pattern: ohh filters, right, I was thinking actions |
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| 10:24.54 | pattern | right, not actions |
| 10:25.15 | pattern | actually, filters are actions, but their contents are regexes :) |
| 10:25.31 | Eulex_ | diazepam: try with mplayer again, and watch the output in teh console |
| 10:25.37 | GTX | sorry - my english is not the best - but i will give my best to explain the Problem: at the Moment i setup a Server with the actual Debian Testint Netinstaller (as i did it much times bevore) but this time i have a Problem: - I need /dev/hdi - /dev/hdo this devices can not found in /dev/ can you tell me how to install it ? |
| 10:25.41 | jm_ | considering the amount of filters in my rules it definitely works ;) |
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| 10:26.37 | pattern | jm, what version of privoxy are you using? |
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| 10:27.12 | yaiba | hello |
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| 10:27.30 | jm_ | pattern: 3.0.3-4 |
| 10:27.57 | yaiba | i have a probleme with a Data base replication... who can help me ? |
| 10:28.00 | pattern | 3.0.3-r3 here |
| 10:28.07 | pattern | i should check the changelog |
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| 10:28.40 | Faithful | I hate windows |
| 10:29.38 | Thfighter | Yeah, i thinking of moving to linux |
| 10:29.45 | Thfighter | xp is full of bugs |
| 10:29.53 | Thfighter | im* |
| 10:29.54 | annoia | xorg 7.0 in unstable, now how do I get the nvidia drivers to work again? |
| 10:30.07 | jm_ | pattern: yup just verified it with marquee shit |
| 10:30.25 | pattern | hmm |
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| 10:31.49 | pattern | could you try that filter i quoted earlier? |
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| 10:32.09 | pattern | just to see if i got the syntax right (it looks fine to me.. but maybe i'm just blind) |
| 10:32.59 | GTX | anyone ? |
| 10:33.20 | pattern | aha, i see a bug open on this issue |
| 10:33.32 | pattern | "Filters no longer working on some sites" http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1253702&group_id=11118&atid=111118 |
| 10:33.43 | pattern | "Even giving it the most basic s/and/privoxy/g won't work." |
| 10:33.49 | pattern | ok, at least i know i'm not insane |
| 10:33.56 | jm_ | might be that or that you didn't enable this filter |
| 10:34.35 | pattern | no, i enabled it |
| 10:34.41 | pattern | and the logfile shows it's being activated |
| 10:34.44 | pattern | it's just not matching |
| 10:35.47 | pattern | well, i'm going to see if i can switch to a different version and maybe it'll help |
| 10:35.56 | pattern | anyway, thanks for your help jm & dooglus |
| 10:35.57 | annoia | Heh, I wonder how many people in here just ignore anything that contains "nvidia" right now.. ;) |
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| 10:36.46 | kurtak | hell0: I'm so freakin' confused over font rendering in debian, i hope someone can help. I basically have super ugly truetype fonts, but they do get antialiased if over a certain size. However, i like them w/o anti-aliasing when smaller. If i dont load the freetype module for X when X starts, the fonts look exactly the same, they even become antialiased. |
| 10:37.10 | CAiRO | how can i delete a file named '-help', rm \-help results in a rm: invalid option -- h |
| 10:37.11 | insidius | Could someone give me a hand to troubleshoot my sound! console ready :-) |
| 10:37.26 | jm_ | CAiRO: man rm |
| 10:37.53 | CAiRO | jm_: the man page doesn't say anything about escaping characters |
| 10:37.55 | kurtak | Anyone perhaps know what's going on w/ text rendering? why does it look the same if X loads freetype or not? |
| 10:38.00 | CAiRO | jm_: who do i have to look for in the man page? |
| 10:38.03 | jm_ | CAiRO: and why should it? |
| 10:38.04 | CAiRO | jm_: what, sorry |
| 10:38.13 | jm_ | CAiRO: To remove a file whose ... |
| 10:38.20 | p00ya | kurtak: are you using xfs? |
| 10:38.28 | E-bola | Cairo: doesnt rm "name" work? |
| 10:38.38 | p00ya | CAiRO: rm -- -help |
| 10:38.47 | CAiRO | p00ya: ah, thanks |
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| 10:38.49 | Thunderbird_ | hi |
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| 10:39.08 | Thunderbird_ | does anyone know which package contains the opengl manpages these days? (in case of unstable) |
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| 10:39.19 | Thunderbird_ | manpages-dev doesn't contain them |
| 10:39.49 | kurtak | p00ya: i have libxft2 installed but not xfs |
| 10:40.03 | p00ya | well you can try changing it in fontconfig |
| 10:40.14 | Malagmyr | how can I restart a stopped job? |
| 10:40.16 | p00ya | not sure how you're getting antialiased fonts with freetype not loaded though |
| 10:40.26 | kurtak | p00ya: change what in fontconfig? |
| 10:40.39 | jm_ | Malagmyr: how did you stop it? |
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| 10:40.49 | p00ya | make a file in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ |
| 10:40.52 | pattern | just a quick update... upgrading to 3.0.3-r5 seemed to fix it |
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| 10:41.55 | Malagmyr | jm_: dunno. I've never seen this before. When I try to log out of a ssh session, the console prints "There are stopped jobs." I read that if I use "exit" twice, it'll kill the job, but I want to figure out what I can do with it instead. It's a lynx session... I probably stopped it with ctrl+z or something. |
| 10:41.58 | nevyn | Thunderbird_: libmesa dev? |
| 10:42.02 | kurtak | p00ya: what kind of file? |
| 10:42.11 | jm_ | Malagmyr: read JOB CONTROL section in man bash |
| 10:42.13 | p00ya | kurtak: i can't remember the syntax, there's a way to disable the hinting for fonts of a certain size |
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| 10:42.21 | p00ya | they're all xml files |
| 10:42.23 | Malagmyr | jm_: will do |
| 10:42.31 | Thunderbird_ | I tried several packages but I can't find it including xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 10:42.47 | Braindead | Thunderbird_: if you know the filename,use apt-file |
| 10:42.56 | p00ya | oh this is assuming you're running sid; i'm not sure when fontconfig became the standard way for configuring |
| 10:43.22 | nevyn | mesa-common-dev - Developer documentation for Mesa |
| 10:43.39 | nevyn | Thunderbird_: that what you're looking for? |
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| 10:43.57 | Eulex_ | p00ya: methinks sarge used fontconfig too |
| 10:43.58 | Thunderbird_ | manpages containing opengl functions |
| 10:44.04 | Thunderbird_ | just as a reference |
| 10:44.06 | Thunderbird_ | I had it before |
| 10:44.09 | MrNaz | whats the floppy image that you can use to install debian from? im doing this for the first time as im installing onto a box with no cdrom drive |
| 10:44.19 | kurtak | p00ya: well, there are already files there for that, so i'll play with them. Do you know how my truetype fonts could be rendered then? |
| 10:44.22 | liable | MrNaz: for sarge? |
| 10:44.24 | Thunderbird_ | I could do: man glTexImage2D and it would show me what the function did |
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| 10:44.34 | MrNaz | liable yeap for sarge |
| 10:44.42 | kurtak | p00ya: or at least what i could try to figure out this mystery? |
| 10:44.51 | liable | MrNaz: /msg dpkg sarge floppies |
| 10:44.55 | jm_ | MrNaz: installation manual will tell you |
| 10:45.08 | liable | or that ^^ :) |
| 10:45.09 | p00ya | kurtak: you're not getting ttfs rendered at all? |
| 10:45.19 | MrNaz | liable im on a winbox over here hehe |
| 10:45.47 | MrNaz | and im sick of bill gates' tiny little weener poking me in the butt |
| 10:45.47 | kurtak | p00ya: no, they're being rendered, but freetype isn't loading correctly (intentionally for me to see any difference) |
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| 10:46.07 | p00ya | what *is* the difference? |
| 10:46.07 | liable | MrNaz: ?? what difference does that make? i dont understand. (i meant dpkg the bot if thats what you are refering to) |
| 10:46.29 | MrNaz | liable it doesnt im just whining about having to put up with win32 |
| 10:46.33 | kurtak | p00ya: they're rendering, just ugly under the anti-aliasing size. So, there is *no* difference when freetype module is loaded or not |
| 10:46.42 | p00ya | kurtak: also, what program are you using to check? |
| 10:46.50 | MrNaz | i started moving over to linux afew months ago... after this install i'll only have my one win32 desktop left |
| 10:47.17 | liable | MrNaz: ok. well stop whining and install it. |
| 10:47.18 | kurtak | p00ya: programs = many, like this xchat for instance, firefox, and some text editors |
| 10:47.31 | kurtak | thunderbird too |
| 10:47.49 | p00ya | well they're not going to be affected by whether the X11 freetype is loaded or not |
| 10:47.54 | p00ya | they all use client-side rendering |
| 10:47.56 | MrNaz | liable aye aye sir |
| 10:48.07 | kurtak | p00ya: my fluxbox uses ttfonts for the toolbar too |
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| 10:49.14 | mixter | hi! i'm having some problems with usb 2.0 and think i have to disable the ehci-hcd module to get thinks working. (things work fine if i do rmmod ehci-hcd) how could i disable it "permanently"? |
| 10:49.35 | Eulex_ | !blacklist |
| 10:49.36 | dpkg | i heard blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 10:50.02 | Eulex_ | mixter: ^^ |
| 10:50.20 | mixter | Eulex_: thanks! |
| 10:50.26 | Eulex_ | mixter: yw :) |
| 10:50.37 | Den | Thanks everyone - 2.6 saw the firewire cdrom for sarge install |
| 10:50.41 | insidius | what is MTA: exim4? Mail transfer agent? Do i need it? |
| 10:50.46 | Eulex_ | !why mta |
| 10:50.54 | Eulex_ | hmm |
| 10:51.12 | liable | insidius: if for nothing else, local mail. yes you generally want it. |
| 10:51.18 | kurtak | p00ya: do you know what i need to do in order to test changes i made to the /etc/fonts/conf.d/ files? |
| 10:51.27 | Eulex_ | !why an mta |
| 10:51.27 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 10:51.29 | mixter | insidius: mta=mail transfer agent... it's the local malserver and you do need it, even if you don't want to send and recieve email to/from the internet |
| 10:51.42 | Den | exim4-??? has a problem on the base Sarge install - tasksel fails to run - dependencies. I just want to use it as a gui kde desktop on the laptop - can I remove exim4?? |
| 10:51.55 | insidius | ahh ok i was just wondering cause im working on setting up another mail config |
| 10:52.00 | insidius | for external mail though |
| 10:52.11 | Eulex_ | Den: what dependencies does it fail to find/install? |
| 10:52.32 | Den | EulexI don't recall - maybe some virtual package, or ??? |
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| 10:53.14 | Eulex_ | Den: possible. do apt-get install exim4 and see what it says. |
| 10:53.36 | p00ya | kurtak: i suspect they should take effect when you create a new process that's linked with libxft |
| 10:53.36 | Den | Eulex thx |
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| 10:53.44 | undesktop | why does my xterm window have a white background? is used to be black, but after a recent dist-upgrade it turned white, allthough /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm is unchanged |
| 10:53.53 | liable | there isnt an exim4 package iirc. |
| 10:54.03 | Eulex_ | liable: in stable there is |
| 10:54.03 | mixter | insidius: if you're installing another mailserver (qmail for example) there is a virtual package you could install instead, to replace exim. look at http://www.differentpla.net/node/view/166 |
| 10:54.18 | mixter | insidius: if that is what you're going to doo, ofcourse :-) |
| 10:54.19 | liable | exim4-daemon-light>> |
| 10:54.24 | liable | ?? |
| 10:54.27 | jm_ | liable: exim4 is a metapackage for that |
| 10:54.31 | p00ya | undesktop: use xrdb to check that the xterm resources you think are set, are. |
| 10:54.44 | insidius | mixter: I am going to use teapop for pop3 mail and i have not decided for outgoing yet |
| 10:54.48 | Eulex_ | liable: packages.debian.org/exim4 |
| 10:54.48 | p00ya | could be a breakage in the xinit/xsession stuff not loading them |
| 10:55.01 | liable | ah, correct! |
| 10:55.20 | Den | Anyone - after selecting only "custom" in tasksel, I'm left with /etc/apt/sources.list having no deb line pointing to an archive except security & the cdrom - For a freshly install ed Sarge, what should the deb line be, and shouldn't the installer put such a line in there? |
| 10:55.36 | jm_ | run apt-setup |
| 10:55.37 | Eulex_ | !apt-setup |
| 10:55.37 | dpkg | somebody said apt-setup was a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 10:55.45 | mixter | insidius: ok.. exim doesn't do pop, do there shouldn't be any problems to install teapop together with exim afaik |
| 10:56.17 | liable | Den: reboot. if you didnt have net during the install process, then base-config will ask you after the reboot. |
| 10:56.39 | undesktop | p00ya: xrdb -query looks as usual |
| 10:56.48 | insidius | mixter: thats why i asked. I was not sure if exim was a internal or external mail program and was wondering if it would conflict |
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| 10:57.03 | Den | liable: It didn't happen,. I rebooted, got asked some questions (mail) but that was about it - nothing setup in sources.list. |
| 10:57.07 | p00ya | undesktop: so XTerm.background: black appears there? |
| 10:57.21 | undesktop | p00ya: no, it doesn't and it didn't |
| 10:57.37 | insidius | Heheh best quote ever: Securing windows is like pissing in a blackhole and waiting for it to fill up! |
| 10:57.38 | liable | Den: ok. apt-setup is what you want then |
| 10:57.45 | p00ya | it didn't? what was turning it black then? |
| 10:57.57 | tarzeau | insidius: hehe, it's not true. this is not #windows-bashing |
| 10:58.15 | insidius | What? no dont get me wrong i run windows and debian :-) |
| 10:58.17 | undesktop | p00ya: I don't know, but it definitely was black under these settings |
| 10:58.22 | insidius | I just thought it was funny |
| 10:58.27 | tarzeau | insidius: it is |
| 10:58.35 | p00ya | undesktop: try xrdb -merge the relevant xdefaults files |
| 10:58.40 | undesktop | p00ya: however, how can I make sure that this xinit/xsession stuff is loaded properly? |
| 10:59.12 | p00ya | i had to add ". /etc/X11/Xsession" to .xinitrc |
| 10:59.19 | p00ya | after upgrading in sid |
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| 10:59.33 | p00ya | david might have fixed that now though |
| 10:59.33 | undesktop | "xrdb -merge XTerm-color" does the right thing, hm |
| 10:59.50 | p00ya | i start X with startx |
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| 11:00.05 | Den | Do I have to apt-get install apt-setup?? |
| 11:00.07 | Sax | anyone have experience with smartctl? |
| 11:00.12 | p00ya | which for 6.9 used to source Xsession |
| 11:00.12 | undesktop | I usually use GDM |
| 11:00.15 | Eulex_ | Den: no |
| 11:00.22 | liable | Sax: for thinkpads? |
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| 11:00.25 | Eulex_ | Den: you need to run it as root, though |
| 11:00.33 | Den | Eulex: thx :) |
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| 11:00.50 | Sax | for reading hardrive S.M.A.R.T. data |
| 11:01.06 | jm_ | Sax: yes, many people have |
| 11:01.07 | tarzeau | DAMN |
| 11:01.10 | insidius | Anyone familar with a program for windows called coffeecup html editor? I could of sworn they hey a linux version at one point |
| 11:01.14 | tarzeau | piece of shit debtags is broken in sarge |
| 11:01.48 | tarzeau | and debtags-edit too |
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| 11:02.10 | liable | pebcak? |
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| 11:02.16 | tarzeau | liable: no way |
| 11:02.20 | tarzeau | it's just buggy |
| 11:02.22 | liable | sure.. :P |
| 11:02.23 | insidius | Anyone give me hand with troubleshooting why i aint got no sound? |
| 11:02.23 | Den | Everyone - Is anyone working on improving the sarge iinstall iso? No apt setup, no 2.6 kernel automatically, fails exim4, doesn't install desktop (cause exim4 fialure) - thaat's rather disfunction, it seems to me - it's been 4 months - shouldn't those bugs have been fixed by now? |
| 11:02.23 | undesktop | p00ya: adding ". /etc/X11/Xsession" to .xinitrc didn't change anything |
| 11:02.25 | tarzeau | i checked BTS |
| 11:02.26 | Sax | I'm trying to interperet its output... if I'm reading it correctly it means my drive is currently 109 degrees celsius |
| 11:02.28 | Eulex_ | tarzeau: I'll try it |
| 11:03.15 | liable | Sax: cool. doubles as a pie warmer.. |
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| 11:03.26 | Sax | 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 109 096 000 Old_age Always - 34 |
| 11:04.03 | kurtak | How does one find out if X's ddc module is giving correct output/set correctly for the system? |
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| 11:04.39 | Den | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.22 | p00ya | undesktop: well, i have a file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30x11-common_xresources that does all that stuff. you can trace through what the Xsession script does and find out whether, at some stage, xrdb is called on the resource files |
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| 11:06.20 | Den | Eulex liable: ^^?? |
| 11:06.25 | undesktop | p00ya: I also have this script... btw. I didn't change anything from the standard install |
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| 11:06.40 | p00ya | i guess my pseudo-backtrace is: startx, xinit, ~/.xinitrc, /etc/Xsession, /etc/Xsession.d/30x11-common_xresources, xrdb |
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| 11:06.55 | insidius | den: try #flood |
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| 11:07.08 | liable | Den: strangely, its worked for me when I have used it. |
| 11:07.31 | Den | insidius: joke, yes? |
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| 11:07.47 | Den | liable: used it to do/install what? |
| 11:07.55 | liable | Den: have you tried reading the install guide. It will at least answer one of your questions.. |
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| 11:08.30 | Eulex_ | tarzeau: works fine here from what I can see. what doesn't work for you? |
| 11:08.43 | jm_ | and it's not a surprise it doesn't work for him, I doubt all of "desktop" fits on a single CD |
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| 11:09.17 | Eulex_ | Den: not using a 2.6 kernel by default is not a bug |
| 11:09.29 | Eulex_ | Den: also, most people don't have those problems |
| 11:09.40 | mixter | will it do me any harm to run a smp-kernel on a single cpu system? |
| 11:09.47 | Den | Eulex: are there big problem reasons not tu use 2.6? |
| 11:10.00 | liable | mixter: why would you do that? |
| 11:10.07 | LinuxHelp | Den, heres one: Any ideas on how to stop a renegade module from loading at startup? I have already commented out all references in /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/. 2.6.15-amd64-generic Debian 3.1 stable -kthx |
| 11:10.18 | mixter | liable: just wondering :-) |
| 11:10.42 | Den | liable: install guide ==== toooooo much reading - the installer would be nice if it "just worked" - think ubuntu, |
| 11:10.46 | nkuttler | LinuxHelp: renegade module? /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 11:10.57 | liable | mixter: i dont believe it would though. (from my vague recollection of reading kernel options) |
| 11:11.08 | mixter | liable: ok.. thanks! |
| 11:11.34 | tarzeau | Eulex_: Bug loading vocabulary! [admin::accounting] became [admin::admin::] |
| 11:11.35 | tarzeau | Segmentation fault |
| 11:11.36 | LinuxHelp | nkuttler: thx, I'll get right on it |
| 11:11.39 | tarzeau | Eulex_: the shit just segfaults |
| 11:11.41 | liable | Den: yes. think "install ubuntu" |
| 11:11.47 | tarzeau | Eulex_: trying to do debtags update |
| 11:11.48 | jm_ | good that you told us now that you are not prepared to read anything, must remember to not waste time |
| 11:12.01 | Den | liable: been there, done that. |
| 11:12.01 | tarzeau | Eulex_: and debtags-edit says Exception was: FileException: No such file or directory opening file /var/lib/debtags/vocabulary for reading. |
| 11:12.11 | liable | Den: well, try windows then |
| 11:12.12 | tarzeau | Caught unexpected exception, 45 stack frames unwound: |
| 11:12.13 | Eulex_ | !kernel of instability |
| 11:12.13 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 11:12.26 | kurtak | p00ya: Hey- seems messing w/ the fontconfig conf files really did something useful! |
| 11:12.29 | Den | liable: would be nice if the deb installer was a bit better - but, thatnks everyone!! |
| 11:12.37 | Eulex_ | tarzeau: works fine here (tm) |
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| 11:12.47 | kurtak | the truetype rendering is still a mystery to me though. |
| 11:12.57 | LinuxHelp | nkuttler:but I commented out the aliases in /etc/modprobe.d/* should I uncomment them? I think so |
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| 11:13.51 | tarzeau | Eulex_: you have stable? |
| 11:13.55 | tarzeau | Eulex_: it also works with sid here |
| 11:13.58 | Eulex_ | Den: again, most people don't have those problems |
| 11:14.12 | Eulex_ | tarzeau: indeed, this small server I'm testing on runs stable. |
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| 11:14.19 | p00ya | kurtak: http://fontconfig.org/fontconfig-user.html if you're not looking there already |
| 11:14.23 | tarzeau | Eulex_: but at home: http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/debtags-edit.png |
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| 11:14.31 | tarzeau | Eulex_: it looks ugly unreadable |
| 11:15.00 | tarzeau | Eulex_: and this crap is just shit! i have tagged alot of packages, saved and submitted it |
| 11:15.01 | crschmidt | in debian testing, I can't install pure-ftpd-mysql: pure-ftpd-mysql: Depends: libmysqlclient15 (>= 5.0.15-1) but it is not installable , but libmysqlclient15 claims to have been replaced by libmysqlclient15off -- |
| 11:15.05 | kurtak | p00ya: ah, that's a nice ref |
| 11:15.07 | tarzeau | Eulex_: and the fucking shit doesn't have it saved |
| 11:15.07 | Eulex_ | tarzeau: heh |
| 11:15.13 | tarzeau | Eulex_: DEBTAGS IS TEH SHIT |
| 11:15.14 | kurtak | thanks! |
| 11:15.16 | crschmidt | is this a temporary problem, or is the pure-ftpd-mysql package broken and needs to be fixed? |
| 11:15.19 | tarzeau | SQUARED |
| 11:15.20 | crschmidt | Or am I misunderstanding? |
| 11:15.25 | Den | insidius: What is #flood for?? |
| 11:15.31 | tarzeau | why am i wasting my time |
| 11:15.39 | jm_ | that's covered by man fonts.conf |
| 11:15.40 | Eulex_ | crschmidt: you're in amd64? |
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| 11:15.45 | crschmidt | Eulex_: no |
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| 11:16.35 | Eulex_ | crschmidt: indeed, it's broken |
| 11:16.57 | crschmidt | any idea how I could work around it? I know little about apt/dpkg -- everything usually 'just works' |
| 11:17.03 | insidius | Could someone give me a hand troubleshooting my sound? |
| 11:17.07 | crschmidt | I'd be willing to roll back or do whatever I need to do |
| 11:17.18 | crschmidt | Although I don't think I'd know how :/ |
| 11:17.21 | Eulex_ | crschmidt: file a bug. wait for it to be fixed or hack the package yourself. |
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| 11:18.13 | tarzeau | did i tell mozilla is crap ? |
| 11:18.24 | tarzeau | i hate users whining about mozilla |
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| 11:18.48 | crschmidt | Eulex_: yeah, that's not an option. Since this changeh appened a month ago and it's not fixed yet, I'm not going to hold my breath |
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| 11:19.24 | undesktop | tarzeau: all X based programs are crap |
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| 11:19.32 | Eulex_ | crschmidt: seems like no one has reported it yet. if you do, there's a chance it will be fixed within a reasonable amount of time |
| 11:19.33 | undesktop | tarzeau: because X is crap, obivously |
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| 11:19.37 | undesktop | tarzeau: but they work |
| 11:19.40 | tarzeau | undesktop: i disagree |
| 11:19.45 | tarzeau | mozilla doesn't work |
| 11:19.57 | tarzeau | undesktop: there is a lot of excellent software for X |
| 11:20.00 | insidius | How come when people talk to me the text is bright red and stands out? |
| 11:20.05 | tarzeau | mozilla, certainly isn't one of them |
| 11:20.24 | undesktop | tarzeau: I didn't ever see anyone... they all suffer from X |
| 11:20.25 | jm_ | insidius: your client obviously think they represent a thread for you! |
| 11:20.39 | mixter | how could i force debian into using only usb 1.1 and not usb 2.0? |
| 11:20.41 | jm_ | gah represents, threat, to ... |
| 11:20.49 | insidius | Yeah jm_ what you just typed was bright red |
| 11:20.52 | crschmidt | Eulex_: where's the bug tracker? http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ ? |
| 11:20.55 | threat | jm_, sup? |
| 11:21.05 | tarzeau | undesktop: feh, mplayer, terminal.app, links2 these are all great |
| 11:21.16 | Eulex_ | crschmidt: yeah, you should be able to find your way to it from there |
| 11:21.31 | jm_ | threat: nothing, just a fix for my previous statement |
| 11:21.33 | bizkit | mixter: its up to the kernel module you use for your usb subsystem |
| 11:21.44 | jm_ | insidius: yeah, now I am threatening you ;) |
| 11:21.44 | crschmidt | Eulex_: not encouraging: "Package: pure-ftpd-mysql (1.0.15-1); Severity: important; Reported by: Christian Joergensen <mail@razor.dk>; Tags: upstream; 2 years and 288 days old." |
| 11:21.45 | undesktop | tarzeau: mplayer and links2 aren't tied to X, they rather use it as framebuffer |
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| 11:22.01 | tarzeau | undesktop: they can use X, and i use them with X, and they work great with X |
| 11:22.12 | tarzeau | undesktop: any SDL app can also run without X |
| 11:22.22 | mixter | bizkit: i tried to disable ehci-hcd, but i don't if thats the way to go |
| 11:22.23 | liable | firefox is ok when it isnt segfaulting.. |
| 11:22.29 | tarzeau | undesktop: neither is terminal.app tied to X |
| 11:22.35 | tarzeau | undesktop: it can work perfectly without X |
| 11:22.49 | undesktop | tarzeau: yes, but I'm talking about GUIs, not any apps that use it as framebuffer |
| 11:22.52 | mixter | bizkit: do you know if i could disable some usb 2.0 module or tell the right module to use only usb 1.1? |
| 11:23.17 | tarzeau | undesktop: i don't understand you |
| 11:23.24 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.29 | tarzeau | undesktop: they don't use it as "framebuffer" |
| 11:23.35 | undesktop | tarzeau: usual GUIs with buttons and stuff |
| 11:23.35 | tarzeau | undesktop: do you know what framebuffer is? |
| 11:23.43 | tarzeau | undesktop: all gnustep applications have buttons and stuff |
| 11:23.47 | tarzeau | undesktop: and they can work without X |
| 11:23.48 | bizkit | mixter: just uhci |
| 11:23.58 | cnwilley | hi everybody |
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| 11:24.15 | undesktop | hm, GNUstep, didn't use that ever |
| 11:24.25 | tarzeau | links2 also has buttons and stuff |
| 11:24.33 | tarzeau | that you can click with the mouse |
| 11:24.39 | mixter | bizkit: what do you mean? just uhci? should i load just that module or disable that module? :) |
| 11:24.42 | undesktop | anyway, GTK and QT are disgusting, and so is Mozilla's GUIs and all the other zillions of X apps with their own GUI... horrible |
| 11:24.50 | tarzeau | undesktop: i agree |
| 11:24.58 | tarzeau | undesktop: gtk is the ugly with a cherry on top |
| 11:25.19 | LinuxHelp | Java is the best looking IMO |
| 11:25.33 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: no it's not |
| 11:25.37 | cnwilley | I am trying to setup a proxy server in debian, using sarge 3.1. I've a static IP on eth0 and lan ip on eth1 but machines connected to eth1 cant ping to eth0 or internet. IP forwarding is enabled |
| 11:25.47 | LinuxHelp | tarzeau: Then whats your best? |
| 11:25.50 | LinuxHelp | win32? |
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| 11:25.59 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: gnustep |
| 11:26.00 | bizkit | mixter: unload ehci, use uhci or in some cases ohci, but most of the via and intel stuff is on uhci |
| 11:26.04 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: and openstep |
| 11:26.09 | undesktop | tarzeau: and I think the reason is that X doesn't provide a (useful) standard GUI |
| 11:26.11 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: no win32 is horrible |
| 11:26.11 | insidius | Wow how do i threaten people? |
| 11:26.17 | LinuxHelp | :) |
| 11:26.20 | tarzeau | undesktop: it doesn't need to |
| 11:26.20 | mixter | bizkit: ok! i'll try that... thanks |
| 11:26.22 | sep | cnwilley, if you use private ip addresses on the inside you need to masquerade the net onto eth0 not just forward it |
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| 11:27.04 | undesktop | tarzeau: it must, else people will come up with its own shabby approaches and toolkits |
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| 11:27.23 | tarzeau | undesktop: gnustep is not shabby! |
| 11:27.41 | tarzeau | undesktop: actually X comes with a shabby toolkit |
| 11:27.41 | sparr | is there any way to make cron.daily tasks run when the system is idle, instead of at 6:20ish every morning whether im busy or not? |
| 11:27.42 | undesktop | tarzeau: I mainly talked about GTK and QT :-) |
| 11:27.50 | tarzeau | undesktop: ever heard of motif? |
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| 11:28.01 | undesktop | tarzeau: yes, the Motif self-abuse toolkit |
| 11:28.04 | tarzeau | undesktop: i agree. that was really bad, this gtk1/gtk2/gnome stuff |
| 11:28.06 | cnwilley | sep: masquerade or snat? i've a static ip on eth0 #iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT/MASQUERADE --to [ip of eth0] |
| 11:28.18 | cnwilley | sep: is it correct? |
| 11:28.24 | tarzeau | undesktop: hehe :) the motif brain surgrery masochist thing |
| 11:28.34 | sep | cnwilley, who knows i allways use shorewall for such |
| 11:28.57 | undesktop | anyway, besides X11, the implementation, X.org, is also disgusting... I had just this X-ressources and scripts thing... headache! |
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| 11:29.42 | cnwilley | sep: what is that? shorewall! i have read a doc which says use Masquerading on dynamic ips and Snat for static ones |
| 11:30.13 | sep | cnwilley, a script that makes iptables sane |
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| 11:34.14 | tirkal | ok, I basically need to block incoming connections over all ports except for two. what should I look into? |
| 11:34.14 | coywolf | my gnome always start up with /dev/hda1 mounted and a filemanger windows opend for it, though I have set noauto in fstab, why? |
| 11:34.43 | liable | tirkal: easy. dont run services on all ports except those two. |
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| 11:35.22 | liable | coywolf: that would be a saved session i would think. |
| 11:35.22 | tirkal | liable: yeah, but I was thinking about defining a firewall to block connections to all other ports. |
| 11:35.38 | liable | tirkal: if there isnt a service running.... |
| 11:35.39 | jm_ | tirkal: iptables supports negation |
| 11:35.57 | coywolf | liable, but I always closed all windows and save session |
| 11:36.09 | coywolf | liable, before logout |
| 11:36.13 | tirkal | jm_: ok, I'll look into that. thanks. |
| 11:36.56 | tirkal | liable: is there an easy way to get a list of all running services and the ports they're listening on? |
| 11:37.09 | liable | tirkal: yep. netstat -plunt |
| 11:37.13 | flosch | hi |
| 11:37.22 | tirkal | liable: thanks :) |
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| 11:41.07 | bony | when can we expect complete gnome2.14 into debian sid ? |
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| 11:41.35 | Devil_Kin | hey ppl, is there any way i can figure out what font 'Sans Serif' maps to? sicne upgrading Xorg my default fonts look too big... |
| 11:41.36 | bony | because i can't wait to see my desktop spinning in 3D with xgl and compiz |
| 11:41.37 | liable | bony: why dont you ask the developers? |
| 11:42.13 | bony | is there another channel for debian developers? and if so is it public channel ? |
| 11:43.05 | bizkit | try #gnome-debian |
| 11:43.06 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: fonts.conf maybe |
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| 11:44.38 | bizkit | on irc.gnome.org (: |
| 11:46.34 | liable | bony: i was being a sarcastic bastard. whatever you do, dont go asking developers when such and such will be ready. Its ready when it is. If you want it earlier, help them out. |
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| 11:48.39 | Devil_Kin | jm_: well, it lists a bunch, but none of them really match my old config. for some reason all X fonts look too big, tho i didn't change (except for the font paths) my xorg.conf |
| 11:49.14 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: that should be related to your DPI |
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| 11:49.36 | bony | liable, i do understand that my point was to get updated on this thing that is weather we can expect gnome2.14 in debian or not i am neigther forcing them nor am i demanding the developer's for it |
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| 11:50.04 | bony | bizkit, thnak's for that |
| 11:50.13 | Devil_Kin | jm_: I haven't changed a thing - it was fine prior to upgrading to xorg 7.0 |
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| 11:51.58 | liable | bony: fair enough. check out lists.debian.org and subscribe to some and you might be able to keep up to date with future updates etc. |
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| 11:52.26 | fireba11 | hm .. seems they made a new record of boxes borked with xorg 7 ^^ |
| 11:52.44 | Devil_Kin | jm_: i've set the displaysize, the DPI is correctly calculated along that. Or does xorg7 manage to do self-detection again? |
| 11:52.55 | liable | fireba11: gotta keep setting new records! :) |
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| 11:53.22 | bony | liable, thanks for that and for also taking time to answer my query :-) |
| 11:53.30 | liable | bony: np |
| 11:53.41 | nameless | can't remove openswan, apt-get freezes |
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| 11:54.51 | gilianima | is there a bash command that converts html entities like 阿 into real characters (which is a chinese character in this case) ? |
| 11:55.35 | nameless | i can see in ps openswan.prerm, and ipsec executed by it, but nothing happens |
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| 11:57.26 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: so you have changed a lot then |
| 11:58.21 | gilianima | is it possible to boot an .iso image of a bootable cd from linux, i yes, how ? |
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| 11:58.46 | Devil_Kin | jm_: no i haven't: i just adjusted the font paths, and did the Xorg upgrade - so I didn't change a thing. |
| 11:58.53 | jm_ | gilianima: no, but things like qemu or vmware work |
| 11:59.12 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: you have, you just said you upgraded to 7.0 - pretty major change, don't you think? |
| 11:59.43 | gilianima | qemu? vmware? is that freeware? |
| 11:59.54 | Devil_Kin | jm_: yes - but it looked awful in the first upgrade, looked good in the second and it's all screwed again since this morning. I just find it pretty change that the fonts would change because of it |
| 11:59.56 | liable | hah |
| 12:00.26 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: did you check if xdpyinfo reports proper value? |
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| 12:02.14 | Devil_Kin | jm_: |
| 12:02.15 | Devil_Kin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.16 | Devil_Kin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.22 | Devil_Kin | which is identical to before |
| 12:02.41 | ^B3B4370^ | How i can fix this : "Can`t find /usr/bin/Xprt" ? |
| 12:02.45 | jm_ | 124dpi is a bit high, I pitty your eyes ;) |
| 12:03.07 | Devil_Kin | jm_: i like small print :p |
| 12:03.27 | Devil_Kin | jm_: currently, everything is too big! |
| 12:03.43 | Shadur | ^B3B4370^: Install xprint |
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| 12:04.19 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: anyway, I am not using sid/etch, so no X.org 7.0, I am not the best person to help you, but in Sarge making sure DPI is correct definitely helped me (there was also a thing with font path order that helped people, or changing it in gtkrc files) |
| 12:05.13 | Devil_Kin | jm_: okay, thanks anyway :) i guess i'll have to juts get used to a different font setup |
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| 12:09.24 | redcliffe | hi - anyone know how to fix the missing bitmap and pcidata modules problem in unstable when doing a dist-upgrade that includes xorg 7? |
| 12:09.40 | jm_ | redcliffe: did you check BTS? |
| 12:09.44 | redcliffe | did the upgrade last night, and it broke my x |
| 12:09.55 | redcliffe | jm_: yep nothing that seems to be the problem i'm getting |
| 12:10.20 | liable | redcliffe: and everything actually installed properly? no dpkg errors? |
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| 12:10.46 | gilianima | Is there a command that can convert all the html entities like é è à ... into Ă© è Ă in an html file ? |
| 12:10.48 | jm_ | then just find out in which package they are |
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| 12:11.00 | redcliffe | liable: initially i had a problem with xserver-xorg not being able to preconfigure, error 64, but then today after another update it worked fine |
| 12:11.02 | jm_ | gilianima: tried lynx -dump? |
| 12:11.24 | redcliffe | jm_: yeah, they're in xserver-xorg-core, which is installed as far as i can see |
| 12:11.39 | liable | redcliffe: try links2 -g |
| 12:11.44 | redcliffe | at least i'm told they're in that, i can't see the files bitmap or pcidata in /usr/lib/xorg |
| 12:12.12 | redcliffe | actually libpcidata is in my /usr/lib/xorg |
| 12:12.13 | jm_ | then it's no wonder it doesn't work |
| 12:12.32 | redcliffe | but no libbitmap i can see |
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| 12:12.47 | Bear_DK | when I can't kill a process with "kill -9 pid" then what can I do? |
| 12:12.49 | LinuxHelp | debian rox -kthx |
| 12:12.53 | redcliffe | so i'm just wondering what to try next, all the xorg packages are installed |
| 12:13.04 | sep | !zombie |
| 12:13.04 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 12:13.10 | cnwilley | Can anybody please help me? I've my network configured. eth1 is to internet and eth0 is to lan. i can ping internet address[IP] but not the domains. What can be the error? I've put dns server address of my isp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:13.16 | redcliffe | actually i've found libbitmap now too |
| 12:13.28 | LinuxHelp | llol at that zombie thing |
| 12:13.29 | redcliffe | so is it possible that my xorg.conf is pointing to a wrong library path? |
| 12:13.31 | sep | cnwilley, check /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 12:13.47 | cnwilley | sep;i've entries there too |
| 12:13.58 | sep | cnwilley, and they work ? |
| 12:14.09 | redcliffe | ahh stupid, somebody please shoot me |
| 12:14.10 | jm_ | I have no idea, you can easily find out where it's looking for them with strace |
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| 12:14.21 | redcliffe | my module path in files is set to the old one, i've fixed it now and X starts |
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| 12:14.45 | liable | redcliffe: you have xserver-xorg-core installed? also 'xorg'? |
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| 12:15.00 | vahvarh | Hello, anyone can help with freeradius+gnugk? |
| 12:15.06 | cnwilley | sep: i can ping to those servers. but i cant ping with a domain name. those are the dns servers i'm using since long time |
| 12:15.14 | Bear_DK | sep: there is no parent process. |
| 12:15.32 | tuxedup | can anyone file a bug report or do you have to be a debian developer? |
| 12:15.37 | redcliffe | liable: yep, x now works, i had the xorg.conf modules section pointing to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules, instead of /usr/lib/xorg/modules |
| 12:15.40 | mne | hi guys, I'm having a problem with cryptsetup and initrd. I installed a new kernel (2.6.16) and wheen booting cryptsetup prints out the following error: "incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.00 ... and kernel driver". both cryptsetup and libdevmapper are the current versions (debian/sid) |
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| 12:15.51 | redcliffe | they've finally got rid of the old /usr/X11R6/ directory tree i see |
| 12:16.17 | jm_ | tuxedup: Debian's web pages will answer that question |
| 12:16.21 | Neverther | Xorg 7 came out of experimanetal into sid? |
| 12:16.25 | sep | Bear_DK, ps -l should print a PPID /parent pid) |
| 12:16.30 | redcliffe | thanks all |
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| 12:16.57 | sep | cnwilley, can you use them to ersolve host with ? try with nslookup or dig or host. |
| 12:17.44 | Bear_DK | sep: PPID = 1 |
| 12:18.10 | ^B3B4370^ | May i Downgrade from testing to stable ? |
| 12:18.28 | sep | !downgrade |
| 12:18.29 | dpkg | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 12:19.01 | sep | ^B3B4370^, sure you can just alter in your sources list from testing to etch, then when etch becomes the new stable in some months time you have successfully downgraded |
| 12:19.27 | jm_ | or not, depending if upgrade will run smoothly at that time :) |
| 12:19.45 | sep | jm_, upgrade from testing to etch ? :) |
| 12:19.54 | jm_ | sep: "current testing" |
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| 12:20.38 | sep | jm_, my intention was that he shoudl follow etch until it releases but i get your point |
| 12:21.01 | jm_ | sep: I know, I just said it won't necessarily be successful |
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| 12:22.12 | sep | Bear_DK, sounds like whatever made the zombie was buggy and just dropped it. youll have to live with the zombieuntil next reboot. dont worry it dont steal resources |
| 12:22.42 | Bear_DK | sep: but it's blocking a TCP port |
| 12:23.25 | sep | Bear_DK, are you sure it's a zombie ? |
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| 12:23.35 | sleon | hi |
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| 12:23.44 | Bear_DK | ps -l, 0 D 508 9979 1 0 76 0 - 6258 coredu ? 00:00:00 teamtalkd |
| 12:23.51 | Bear_DK | PPID = 1 |
| 12:24.07 | jm_ | heh state D |
| 12:24.16 | sleon | i have sasl ldap problems with ldaps, when i try to auth against ldaps i get : SASL/DIGEST-MD5 authentication started |
| 12:24.19 | sleon | ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Internal (implementation specific) error (80) additional info: SASL(-13): user not found: no secret in database |
| 12:24.35 | sleon | Firehand: hr hi |
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| 12:28.56 | Bear_DK | sep: do you know if I can kill it by using "init"? |
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| 12:29.43 | atsi | hi there |
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| 12:31.46 | deyan | hi,all. I want to make a install cd based on debian, is there a howto? |
| 12:32.17 | MrNaz | deyan you mean you want to make a cd that you can boot from to install debian? |
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| 12:32.42 | sep | Bear_DK, not to my knowledge |
| 12:33.02 | deyan | MrNaz: Yes, and I want to customize it with what pacakge to install. |
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| 12:33.08 | jm_ | I highly doubt you'll be able to make such a CD if you can't even find how to make custom Debian CD-s |
| 12:33.27 | jm_ | find out even |
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| 12:35.13 | deyan | jm_: Just want to get an offcial guide |
| 12:35.16 | deyan | :) |
| 12:35.24 | jm_ | deyan: you'll find the answer in d-i Wiki |
| 12:35.32 | deyan | I know there are some from google |
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| 12:36.49 | nono31 | hi |
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| 12:37.20 | g0th | hi |
| 12:37.58 | g0th | I'm using cupsys, how do I set the page borders for my printer? Atm the imageable area is the whole page, I'd like to specify the borders.... |
| 12:38.08 | deyan | got it http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 12:38.22 | jm_ | in CUPS config interface, or in .lpoptions or ... |
| 12:38.45 | nono31 | After the Xorg update, I had to reinstall the nvidia driver. But now using nvidia driver, X does not give me much choice of Vertical frequence, I have to stick to 1024x768@70Hz... When I use the nv driver, I can use other frequences... (and nv seems to freeze X after today's update)... anyone have the same problem? know how to fix it? |
| 12:38.57 | Dewi | off-topic: does anyone know how to parse a non-american date string in perl? |
| 12:39.19 | g0th | well I had a few problems with the xorg updates |
| 12:39.42 | g0th | I had to install nvidia-glx |
| 12:39.55 | g0th | before I installed the nvidia stuff manually, now I let debian handle it |
| 12:40.10 | jm_ | Dewi: tried libtime-modules-perl? |
| 12:40.10 | g0th | because debian depends on a display driver and that display driver must be nvidia-glx |
| 12:40.22 | Bear_DK | anyone familiar with a way to force closure of socket ports? |
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| 12:40.37 | g0th | and nvidia-glx depends on the debian package of the binary driver |
| 12:40.43 | g0th | (sources I mean) |
| 12:40.56 | g0th | but after that it worked fine for me |
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| 12:42.30 | Dewi | jm_: that looks good actually. thanks. Can't find any detailed docs though. |
| 12:42.48 | jm_ | Dewi: man Time::ParseDate Date::Parse |
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| 12:43.11 | Dewi | jm_: oh, I see what it means now. I couldn't figure out what it meant by "if UK, ..." |
| 12:43.21 | jm_ | Dewi: no idea if they support non-English locales |
| 12:43.21 | karl | Need help I need to setup freeradius to work over ldap (mschap) I keep getting -Attribute "User-Password" is required for authentication- from radius and - rc_avpair_new: unknown attribute 11- from pppd |
| 12:43.23 | Dewi | jm_: but it accepts an option called UK. nmind |
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| 12:43.47 | Dewi | jm_: date::parse only accepts american style order |
| 12:43.53 | Dewi | jm_: but time::parsedate seems much better |
| 12:44.07 | hackeron | quick question, since Mac now has a bunch of software compiles for x86 and the kernel is basically posix compliant, does that mean we'll be able to run software made for intel Mac on Linux? |
| 12:44.30 | fireba11 | hackeron: no |
| 12:44.56 | fireba11 | hackeron: at least not as easy as you made it sound just now |
| 12:45.07 | jm_ | Dewi: yeah, I am using that for my IP accounting report tool |
| 12:45.40 | hackeron | fireba11: well, it will require some virtualization, but quite basic stuff, no? |
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| 12:45.58 | ^B3B4370^ | How i can reinstall all packages on my debian system ? |
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| 12:46.26 | fireba11 | hackeron: for one everything depending on desktop won't work without a lot of effort |
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| 12:46.37 | TraceGreen | Hello, what's the defference between modules.conf and modprobe.conf? |
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| 12:47.15 | stew | ^B3B4370^: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 12:47.19 | hackeron | fireba11: I'm thinking adobe creative suite? :) |
| 12:47.23 | g0th | anyone |
| 12:47.24 | g0th | ? |
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| 12:47.55 | fireba11 | hackeron: i suspected you might be going that direction ... try again in two years |
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| 12:48.07 | bibe | hi all. I compiled a kernel module (r1000, for a realtek gigabit ethernet card) for kernel 2.6.15-1-486, which is the kernel used in Etch's debian-installer beta2. How can I build a netinstall image including this driver? |
| 12:48.43 | hackeron | fireba11: :( |
| 12:48.49 | stew | bibe: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 12:48.51 | fireba11 | bibe: what kernel did NOT support that one ? |
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| 12:49.41 | bibe | fireba11 : no sign of that module in d-i kernel |
| 12:49.47 | bibe | stew : thanks very much |
| 12:50.20 | fireba11 | bibe: what kernel version is that ? you tried 2.6 or one of the installers with newer kernels ? |
| 12:50.51 | liable | fireba11: he said. 2.6.15 |
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| 12:51.03 | fireba11 | liable: oh, missed that one |
| 12:51.08 | liable | :) |
| 12:51.35 | fireba11 | liable: will sounds awkward .. realtek is usuall really common ... |
| 12:51.45 | bibe | fireba11 : the d-i page recommends beta2 for installing etch, and since it's not an outdated kernel, I thought it was better to try with that |
| 12:52.07 | LinuxHelp | alias please='apt-get' # put that in /etc/profile |
| 12:52.28 | fireba11 | bibe: i just thought you might be trying with an old kernel and using a new one would be easier |
| 12:52.59 | bibe | fireba11 : no r1000 support in Sid's 2.6.16, nor in kernel.org 2.6.17-rc1 |
| 12:53.23 | fireba11 | bibe: hm .. i wonder how that happened ^^ |
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| 12:54.44 | bibe | fireba11 : I only found r1000 sources from realtek's site, the module compiles, loads and works fine. Thanks for the suggestion |
| 12:55.17 | fireba11 | bibe: don't think that chip is that new .. ah well |
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| 12:56.26 | jcdubacq | hi. I (running unstable) would like to make the switch to xorg 7. But I use the nvidia-kernel-source / nvidia-glx set of drivers. Is it doable? |
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| 12:57.15 | carbon60 | I think I might be crazy, but parted isn't working for me. |
| 12:57.30 | fireba11 | carbon60: define "isn't working" |
| 12:57.46 | carbon60 | I say resize 8, it asks for start and end, which I provide. It thinks for a bit and returns to the prompt. |
| 12:57.53 | carbon60 | The partition isn't resized. |
| 12:58.00 | carbon60 | (I've never tried this before.) |
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| 12:58.05 | bibe | jcdubacq : it seems possible, nvidia-glx now depends on x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) |
| 12:58.08 | fireba11 | jcdubacq: sounds like you should wait untill a couple more xorg 7 problems are fixed |
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| 12:58.54 | jcdubacq | yeah, I thought so reading debian-devel. I go on holiday a couple of weeks, and unstable is all broken %) |
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| 12:59.18 | jcdubacq | anyway, gnome 2.14 still did not reach unstable entirely |
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| 13:01.52 | carbon60 | Is there a write command in parted? |
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| 13:02.14 | Dj_Spy | question, is there a debian kernal package out that is compiled that way it will see the full 1 gig? I got debian 3.1 but only sees 900 meg :) |
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| 13:02.31 | Morydd | don't have access to a browser at the moment. are there known issues with X in unstable? |
| 13:02.39 | simmerz | how can i use dpkg --set-selections to install the same packages as i have on another machine? can't work it out |
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| 13:03.06 | jm_ | simmerz: /msg dpkg package reselect |
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| 13:04.15 | Ronin | Morydd: just a couple |
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| 13:05.11 | Morydd | Ronin: issues which make it so X doesn't start at all? |
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| 13:06.06 | stew | Morydd: /msg dpkg bts ; http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 13:06.33 | DevilChaos | hello folks hows everyone? |
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| 13:08.28 | simmerz | jm_: thanks |
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| 13:08.41 | MrParity | hi ho :-) |
| 13:08.48 | Morydd | stew: no response from dpkg on that |
| 13:08.51 | sep | DevilChaos, jsut assume you have 794 people saying "lousy! thanks for reminding me you dolt" |
| 13:08.54 | stew | !bts |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 13:09.51 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 13:10.02 | Eclipser | my wine horrible default font ;_; |
| 13:10.10 | Eclipser | I wonder if the configs had something to change it... |
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| 13:11.54 | charzero | Where should a sys admin put scripts (that are chmod 755) for users? |
| 13:12.15 | sep | /usr/local/bin |
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| 13:12.19 | jm_ | charzero: I use /usr/local/bin for that |
| 13:13.33 | Dj_Spy | installing glibc2.4 was dangerous, they had to reinstall the whole server |
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| 13:13.51 | jm_ | !info libc6 experminental |
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| 13:14.51 | Dj_Spy | !info libc6 experminental |
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| 13:16.16 | tarzeau | i'm a statistics whore. what else could we make stats of? http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
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| 13:16.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: something useful ... |
| 13:16.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: give me an example. |
| 13:17.00 | atsi | hi a silly question. does anybody got a rough idea when the next stable is out? |
| 13:17.09 | tarzeau | atsi: december 24, 2006 |
| 13:17.18 | sorpigal | atsi: when it's ready |
| 13:17.19 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 13:17.19 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 13:17.30 | atsi | tarzeau: thx |
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| 13:17.31 | abrotman | which reminds me .. someone go bug vorlon for an update :) |
| 13:18.03 | fireba11 | dpkg is outdated though .. they said etch will go stable roughly around dzember |
| 13:18.13 | tarzeau | fireba11: how old are you again? |
| 13:18.15 | abrotman | how id dpkg outdated? |
| 13:18.20 | abrotman | how is dpkg outdated? |
| 13:18.23 | jm_ | fireba11: that's what the linked email says |
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| 13:18.31 | fireba11 | tarzeau: why ? |
| 13:18.37 | fireba11 | jm_ ups |
| 13:18.58 | tarzeau | fireba11: if you remember, you talked about getting a gf yesternight |
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| 13:19.16 | DevilChaos | sep: sorry you feel lousy its not my fault life is what you make of it and to enjow every minute of every day as once your gone your gone :) |
| 13:19.19 | fireba11 | tarzeau: ;-) 26 |
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| 13:20.09 | sep | DevilChaos, i dont feel lousy, i just did a top of the head aproximation of 750 people |
| 13:20.13 | sep | :) |
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| 13:20.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: got no ideas at all? i've done the countries |
| 13:22.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: something actually useful? .. how about something like .. time it takes to close a bug? |
| 13:23.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: especially security ones |
| 13:23.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd rather have a sex flag on maintainers, female/male |
| 13:23.45 | abrotman | right .. more useless crap |
| 13:23.49 | atsi | i got a small problem. i do not have internet at my place and i would like to install sarge. i got the installation cd 3.1 and the two dvds. is there anything else that i need to get in order to have a fully functional multimedia pc out of sarge? my gpu is ati 9200 |
| 13:23.52 | atsi | plz prefix |
| 13:24.03 | fireba11 | tarzeau try clicking on gmerna and have a look at entry 978 |
| 13:24.07 | fireba11 | german even |
| 13:24.32 | tarzeau | fireba11: yep, ghost debian package maintainers |
| 13:24.48 | fireba11 | tarzeau: ah okay |
| 13:24.48 | tarzeau | fireba11: some of those have + in the email address about 10... i didn't figure out how to get rid of them yet... |
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| 13:25.28 | fireba11 | tarzeau: meaning your php doesn't like e-mails with "+" ? |
| 13:25.33 | tarzeau | fireba11: PHP? |
| 13:25.37 | tarzeau | fireba11: do you want to insult me? |
| 13:25.47 | Morydd | when I run startx I get "xauth: creating new authority file /home/sean/.serverauth.18836" and "xinit: Sever error." then back to command prompt |
| 13:26.01 | fireba11 | tarzeau: the links with e-mail point to a php thogh ;-) |
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| 13:26.44 | sorpigal | atsi: you wont get 3D acceleration on that card without ATIs closed source drivers which naturally do not ship with Debian. |
| 13:27.17 | tarzeau | fireba11: that's out of my control |
| 13:27.32 | tarzeau | fireba11: no those can do the %2b |
| 13:27.45 | tarzeau | fireba11: there's some other inconsistency |
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| 13:28.10 | tarzeau | fireba11: like some email addresses have capital letters, some place + is used, other place %2b and sometimes ... |
| 13:28.29 | Braindead | sorpigal: radeon with R200 chipsets (namely <= 9200) have got decent GL support with the free driver |
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| 13:29.17 | sorpigal | Braindead: I had heard some improvements had been made but I thought it was still basically toy-complete and not really useful |
| 13:30.17 | Braindead | sorpigal: I play quake 3,Enemy Territory and True Combat:Elite with my 9200 SE 64 MB |
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| 13:30.40 | sorpigal | Braindead: I stand corrected. |
| 13:30.43 | Braindead | about 1400 fps with glxgears,if you wanna put it on "penis length terms" |
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| 13:31.41 | paulliu | Braindead: which size of glxgears? If you scale glxgears to very small, even software can do 1400 fps... |
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| 13:31.59 | rohan | how much time after i send an email to N@bugs.debian.org does it appear on bugs.debian.org/N ? |
| 13:32.12 | rohan | http://bugs.debian.org/363250 ----> is the bug in question |
| 13:32.14 | tarzeau | rohan: can be half an hour |
| 13:32.27 | Braindead | paulliu: default size,of course |
| 13:32.33 | rohan | tarzeau: ah, ok. i was thinking there was some problem in gmail :) |
| 13:32.39 | chealer9 | rohan: you'll receive a mail notification when it will appear |
| 13:32.43 | huhlik | hi, i still have problem with viewing some chars...example....it should look like this http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8500/original4br.jpg but it looks like this http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5592/original25od.jpg whats wrong with my debian? |
| 13:32.57 | rohan | chealer9: o.O how come i recieve a notification, if i sent it in the first place ? |
| 13:33.06 | Dj_Spy | oki, newbie question, how do you find packages? or search for packages .... yeah, it is very noobish alright .. |
| 13:33.26 | Braindead | Dj_Spy: apt-howto on google and http://qref.sf.net |
| 13:33.27 | rohan | chealer9: http://bugs.debian.org/363250 is the page, so i already have the "notficiation" |
| 13:34.21 | chealer9 | rohan: isn't your message already there? |
| 13:34.29 | rohan | chealer9: no. i just sent 2 |
| 13:34.54 | chealer9 | rohan: and you received notifications for those 2 messages? |
| 13:35.12 | pokkie | hello all, in the process of upgrading my workstation. when i login as root, after i typed in the username, i get a number of lines beginning with the statement 'configuration error - unknown item 'ITEM_NAME' (notify administrator)'. anybody know how i can fix this? |
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| 13:35.31 | rohan | chealer9: no, i did not know i recieve notfications also for every email i send to B.D.O |
| 13:35.40 | chealer9 | rohan: well, you should |
| 13:36.20 | rohan | as a reporter of bug, can i retitle it ? |
| 13:36.39 | chealer9 | rohan: you can retitle as anyone |
| 13:36.54 | rohan | chealer9: ok. |
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| 13:40.54 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:40.54 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:41.36 | minerale | how can I see what application is listening to what port? I've tried netstat -l ,netstat -eel, but I cant's see where user "proxy" (squid) is listening |
| 13:41.40 | rohan | tarzeau: are you paid to do !popcon by the hour ? |
| 13:41.41 | sud0n1m | Where does mysql store it's database files on Debian? I am trying to back up. |
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| 13:41.53 | tarzeau | rohan: nope, you want to hire me? |
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| 13:42.03 | rohan | tarzeau: nah, go find some better work :P |
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| 13:42.39 | tarzeau | huhlik: that ugly square? |
| 13:42.54 | tarzeau | huhlik: man! the font doesn't have it. get the same font from windows and it'll work |
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| 13:43.18 | Paco | hola |
| 13:43.53 | dilsin_bm | Which is the command saw the APT that installs the essential for a machine? GCC, make, gmake, etc? |
| 13:43.54 | MrNaz | i think i found a bug in debian's installer... but i need help determining if im right about it or if ive messed something up... can someone help me with this? |
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| 13:44.04 | jm_ | minerale: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 13:44.23 | jm_ | dilsin_bm: apt-get install ... |
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| 13:44.27 | jm_ | !b-e dilsin_bm |
| 13:44.28 | dpkg | dilsin_bm: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 13:44.29 | tarzeau | MrNaz: which bug? |
| 13:44.32 | dilsin_bm | hm |
| 13:44.34 | dilsin_bm | thnx |
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| 13:45.22 | dilsin_bm | jm_ thanks :**** |
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| 13:46.06 | jetscreamer | omfg /usr/bin/X11 seems to be an infinite chain of symlinks... open it up and there it is |
| 13:46.44 | huhlik | tarzeau: ok when i have the font from windows what i have to do to view this chars in my firefox? |
| 13:46.55 | tarzeau | huhlik: put the font in /usr/share/fonts |
| 13:46.58 | tarzeau | and use it in firefox |
| 13:47.07 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:47.07 | dpkg | hmm... qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
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| 13:47.27 | Torsten | where can i find the ssl alert numbers? i cant find any reference with google... |
| 13:47.55 | MrNaz | tarzeau i'm installing debian from a floppy, using the exact same process as i do from an install cd... from experience i know that the grub step fails if the /boot dir is on a JFS partition (sarge's GRUB doesnt support JFS) |
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| 13:48.02 | tralala | Torsten: in the source, I think |
| 13:48.06 | MrNaz | so i have a small /boot partition thats EXT2 |
| 13:48.07 | huhlik | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 13:49.13 | MrNaz | tarzeau so i put /boot as EXT2 and my / as JFS... this works when i install from CD, but when i do the same thing from floppy, it fails... im assuming grub is trying to install to the wrong partition |
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| 13:49.22 | atsi | does anyone know which program do i have to use to edit a dvd? |
| 13:49.25 | mikefoo | Anyone use securecrt here? |
| 13:49.31 | MrNaz | tarzeau im using a raid5 array on this box, which i set up in a previous step in the install |
| 13:49.38 | atsi | mikefoo: yeap |
| 13:49.43 | tarzeau | MrNaz: oh i don't know |
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| 13:50.09 | tuxedup | has the nvidia-glx package been removed from the testing repos because im unable to find it? i have nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 and nvidia-kernel-common |
| 13:50.17 | chealer9 | tuxedup: yes |
| 13:50.34 | Schocko | with which command i can search a special file via ssh ( debian sarge ) ? |
| 13:51.05 | tuxedup | so for nvidia drivers il have build the module my self? |
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| 13:51.14 | nkuttler | Schocko: erm, ssh into the box and run locate or find? |
| 13:51.21 | chealer9 | tuxedup: not necessarily |
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| 13:51.56 | Morydd | when attempting to startx I get "xauth: creating new authority file ..." then "xinit: Sever error." nothing else, then back to the prompt (unstable) |
| 13:52.11 | MrNaz | tarzeau it just says GRUB installation failed... how do i go about getting more info on why it failed? |
| 13:52.22 | tarzeau | MrNaz: alt-f2,f3,4? |
| 13:52.23 | Schocko | nkuttler i want to search the place of the file foo.txt on my local test server. and want to see in which directory the file is. im not so experienced with debian yet. |
| 13:52.27 | Dj_Spy | is there an openssh 4.3* package out there? |
| 13:52.40 | tarzeau | Dj_Spy: checked packages.d.o? |
| 13:53.07 | MrNaz | well thats why |
| 13:53.21 | MrNaz | its trying to install grub to hd0 ... it should be installing it to md1 |
| 13:53.26 | MrNaz | which is the /boot partition |
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| 13:54.53 | abrotman | !ask |
| 13:54.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:55.31 | Schocko | lol |
| 13:55.31 | Schocko | netsplit :) |
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| 13:55.49 | Dj_Spy | well, tried to use apt-cache to find, but doesn't show the newest packages I think |
| 13:56.26 | Torsten | what is the reason for "ssl alert number 43"? |
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| 13:56.39 | tarzeau | Torsten: check google? BTS? |
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| 13:57.11 | Torsten | tarzeau: google doesnt help, i cant find a list with the alert numbers or anything similar |
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| 13:58.21 | BucWheat | hi all any APC Smart UPS users in chan? |
| 13:58.36 | BucWheat | i'm having trouble getting my APC SUA1500 installed using apcupsd |
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| 13:58.51 | BucWheat | can anyone lend a hand? i'm using the serial interface |
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| 13:59.02 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
| 13:59.16 | PoWeRKiLL | what package do I have to get to install gmake under debian ? |
| 13:59.28 | Dj_Spy | reasin why I was looking for the newest package was, when I downloaded the source of the lastest openssh and I do --with-pam it say's I don't have pam, but my debian does has pam :p |
| 13:59.29 | streuner | !gmake |
| 13:59.29 | dpkg | i guess gmake is the GNU make, or http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/make/ or ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake |
| 13:59.30 | azeem | PoWeRKiLL: apt-get install make |
| 13:59.47 | azeem | ln -s? |
| 13:59.51 | PoWeRKiLL | make is already installed |
| 13:59.57 | azeem | PoWeRKiLL: so you have it alredy |
| 14:00.01 | r_marvin | Dj_Spy: apt-get build-depends ssh , iirc |
| 14:00.01 | streuner | !factinfo gmake |
| 14:00.01 | dpkg | gmake -- created by larne <ejb@leguin.openprojects.net> at Sun Jun 25 16:40:51 2000 (2122 days); last modified at Thu Sep 27 18:26:18 2001 by phunky_!funki@user51-86.jakinternet.co.uk; it has been requested 37 times, last by anurag at Mon Aug 1 16:13:26 2005. |
| 14:00.32 | PoWeRKiLL | so i have to creak a smylink to ? |
| 14:00.38 | azeem | PoWeRKiLL: why? |
| 14:00.45 | azeem | what is wrong with the make you currently have? |
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| 14:01.02 | prudhvi | what is {shLibs:Depends} in debian/control file ? |
| 14:01.18 | azeem | prudhvi: see dh_shlibdepds manpage e.g. I guess |
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| 14:01.28 | azeem | modulo the typo |
| 14:01.33 | PoWeRKiLL | Don't know the guidelines of the installation of a software tell to get gmake |
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| 14:01.40 | PoWeRKiLL | I made a symlink and it's working :) |
| 14:01.53 | azeem | PoWeRKiLL: you should maybe rather fix the software then |
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| 14:03.37 | lostson | net burp |
| 14:04.37 | BucWheat | exit |
| 14:05.24 | tuxedup | so if nvidia-glx has been removed then how do you install the nvidia drivers? because i followed a guide that said about using module_assistent but it still wants you to apt-get ncvidia-glx and all the others instructions I have seen want you to apt-get nvidia-glx, will i have to use the official nvidia installer for the time being? |
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| 14:05.50 | zulu | hi, I have this error tryin to burn with growisofs : :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=21h/ACQ=02h]: Invalid argument |
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| 14:06.05 | zulu | somebody know what could be the pb? |
| 14:06.19 | koswoa | Oracle is buying up Novell. anyone interested in buying debian? |
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| 14:06.45 | azeem | koswoa: this is offtopic here |
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| 14:07.19 | koswoa | azeem: u have a narrow mind. i am talking about debian. |
| 14:07.25 | tarzeau | koswoa: you can't buy debian |
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| 14:07.33 | tarzeau | koswoa: i'd like to buy sun though |
| 14:07.38 | koswoa | that's a better response. |
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| 14:07.48 | tarzeau | koswoa: how much would you pay? |
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| 14:08.04 | koswoa | a million? |
| 14:08.12 | rw-rw-r-- | $9. |
| 14:08.13 | tarzeau | koswoa: a million times sex? |
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| 14:08.33 | koswoa | no sex, pls, i'm a puritan. |
| 14:08.41 | tarzeau | koswoa: a million what? |
| 14:08.56 | koswoa | Indonesian Rupiah. hahaha. |
| 14:09.04 | pokkie | quick question, is the following kernel meant for amd cpu's only? '2.6.15-1-k7-smp'? |
| 14:09.09 | zulu | ?? but you don't have to pay to get it! it's free! (and not only :) |
| 14:09.12 | azeem | koswoa, tarzeau: This discussion is off-topic here, please continue in a /query or so |
| 14:09.12 | rw-rw-r-- | pokkie: Yes. |
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| 14:09.53 | zulu | azeem I was talkin about cdrecord but nobody was interested :) |
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| 14:10.07 | tarzeau | koswoa: don't message me, keep your rupiah |
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| 14:10.23 | koswoa | zulu: what's ur problem? |
| 14:10.31 | koswoa | u fr south Africa? |
| 14:10.42 | zulu | growisofs does not want to burn |
| 14:10.50 | zulu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.00 | zulu | I don't know what does it come from... |
| 14:11.01 | koswoa | try k3d. |
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| 14:11.16 | zulu | I updated growisofs, mkisofs ... |
| 14:11.25 | zulu | k3d? |
| 14:11.26 | zulu | ok |
| 14:11.36 | koswoa | i mean k3b |
| 14:11.46 | zulu | ok :) |
| 14:11.51 | zulu | modeling 3d? huh |
| 14:12.21 | koswoa | have u heard to k3b? good problem with good gui. |
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| 14:12.42 | zulu | k3b = kde = too many button for me :) |
| 14:13.01 | pc_tony | good afternnon all.... I have finallt taken the plunge and upgraded to exim v4 on my Debian sarge install... but when the package installed it asked about the smaller split files or the single larger, i selected the single file option, but it seems to have created all the smaller files... can someone tell me if this si normal, and if so whwre does it create the single file please? |
| 14:13.41 | abrotman | i've never heard anyone refer to exim4 as "the plunge" |
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| 14:14.20 | pc_tony | abrotman: sorry, I have just stuck with v3 as i wa svery happy with it... had some dev time on my hands and decided to upgrade it |
| 14:14.32 | abrotman | does exim4 not work ? |
| 14:14.45 | azeem | pc_tony: AFAIK it also(?) creates the big file somewhere |
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| 14:15.42 | wbniv | i'm a twiki developer, and i'm trying to provide an answer to a twiki support question at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Support/InstallingTWikionWoody |
| 14:16.00 | heny | hey, does someone know a good and easy tutorial for creating startup scripts with debian? |
| 14:16.09 | wbniv | about installing libcgi-session-perl on woody |
| 14:16.11 | wbniv | but i can't find it :( |
| 14:16.17 | rw-rw-r-- | heny: man update-rc.d? :P |
| 14:16.29 | heny | rw-rw-r--, i don't understand it |
| 14:16.33 | Braindead | heny: /etc/init.d/README |
| 14:16.35 | azeem | wbniv: it does not exist on woody |
| 14:16.42 | azeem | wbniv: woody is outdated, FYI |
| 14:16.46 | Braindead | and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 14:17.01 | koswoa | is there anywhere i can read up about the debian boot process, from power-up until the kdm login screen? |
| 14:17.14 | heny | Braindead, i don't understand bash programming |
| 14:17.26 | rw-rw-r-- | heny: That's a whole other issue. |
| 14:17.31 | azeem | heny: then read up on it? |
| 14:17.43 | azeem | heny: you will need to learn it if you want to create bash scripts |
| 14:17.48 | koswoa | i want to know what the the programs/scripts and what files they used during the process. |
| 14:17.50 | wbniv | yeah, i know woody's not current |
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| 14:17.57 | wbniv | and http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libcgi-session-perl&searchon=names&subword=1&version=oldstable&release=all didn't turn up any hits |
| 14:17.59 | wbniv | *however* |
| 14:17.59 | heny | azeem: in fact i only want to execute several programs on startup |
| 14:18.00 | heny | not more |
| 14:18.15 | wbniv | http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/2004/06/07/13-new-upload-of-libcgi-session-perl |
| 14:18.17 | wbniv | and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=253052 |
| 14:18.20 | Braindead | !rc.local |
| 14:18.20 | dpkg | well, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 14:18.23 | wbniv | seem to indicate they should be there |
| 14:18.47 | azeem | wbniv: maybe it got removed from woody before the release due to buggyness or so |
| 14:19.02 | wbniv | hm, ok |
| 14:19.17 | azeem | actually, that blog just seems to imply easier backporting for it |
| 14:19.27 | wbniv | he also says an install from cpan fails with 95% errors |
| 14:19.28 | azeem | not necessarily an upload targetted at woody |
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| 14:19.36 | wbniv | ok |
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| 14:20.21 | kspath | abrotman: I am going to install the plunge later. |
| 14:20.26 | azeem | wbniv: woody got released in 2002 |
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| 14:20.42 | wbniv | i guess i should recommend a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ? ;-) |
| 14:20.48 | abrotman | kspath: big lunch? |
| 14:21.05 | azeem | wbniv: yes |
| 14:21.11 | kspath | abrotman: lunch? it is only 10:20 your time. |
| 14:21.14 | azeem | wbniv: well, an upgrade to sarge in general |
| 14:21.29 | azeem | wbniv: they should read the release notes about upgrading and not just run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:21.54 | abrotman | kspath: ok |
| 14:22.17 | wbniv | azeem: great, thanks very much for the info. i'll pass it on |
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| 14:22.28 | azeem | wbniv: cheers |
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| 14:24.17 | tarzeau | graveman is a nice gui cd/dvd burn frontend |
| 14:24.18 | zulu | do I have to blank a dvd before using -Z option in growisofs? |
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| 14:24.23 | zulu | if yes how? |
| 14:24.26 | itzzan | grmpf, hello |
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| 14:28.31 | m16a25r34i43u52s | Hi, ich hab hier ien Problem beim brenne der Cd mit k3b- der will unbedingt ne DL-DVD fĂ¼r das CS-Image |
| 14:28.41 | nkuttler | !de |
| 14:28.41 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 14:29.02 | m16a25r34i43u52s | isnt this the skolelinux.de channel? |
| 14:29.14 | itzzan | m16a25r34i43u52s: this is #debian |
| 14:29.20 | m16a25r34i43u52s | k |
| 14:29.36 | m16a25r34i43u52s | sry, i'm new to irc |
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| 14:30.49 | abrotman | odd .. #skolelinux.de is spelled so closely to #debian :) |
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| 14:31.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: need more games. got the good ones from happypenguin already |
| 14:31.27 | m16a25r34i43u52s | well skolelinux is a subchannel |
| 14:31.37 | tarzeau | !nickometer m16a25r34i43u52s |
| 14:31.37 | damian_ | how can i get apt-get to install from a specific location if i have a deb file? |
| 14:31.38 | dpkg | 'm16a25r34i43u52s' is 91.900% lame, tarzeau |
| 14:31.54 | chealer9 | abrotman: are you Linux Torvalds? |
| 14:31.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: there are hundreds of games there |
| 14:32.03 | abrotman | chealer9: are you canadian? |
| 14:32.14 | chealer9 | abrotman: as the nick reads |
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| 14:32.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm at work! |
| 14:33.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: Trip on the Funny Boat and Battles of Antargis look interesting |
| 14:33.09 | myboxen | damian_: if you have the deb file you would use dpkg to install. If you want to setup an apt source server then you can install with apt-get |
| 14:33.52 | littleball | hello, i have two text files. each includes a few thousand lines of numbers. I want to get the numbers in file 1 but not in file 2. Any utility can do this? |
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| 14:34.17 | azeem | littleball: I don't understand the question, can you rephrase? |
| 14:34.57 | abrotman | egrep {0-9} ? |
| 14:35.07 | littleball | azeem, i have two files, each file has some phone numbers (one number/each line). i want to get the numbers in the first file but not in the second fle |
| 14:35.08 | abrotman | i don't understand why two files are involved |
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| 14:35.20 | sorpigal | littleball: so ignore the second file. |
| 14:35.21 | azeem | littleball: so don't act on the second file? |
| 14:35.36 | littleball | set 1 - set 2 |
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| 14:35.41 | azeem | ahhh |
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| 14:35.46 | sorpigal | littleball: the difference! |
| 14:35.51 | littleball | yes |
| 14:36.03 | azeem | littleball: are there numbers in set 2 but not set 1? |
| 14:36.11 | zinx | meh |
| 14:36.15 | Braindead | plain old diff ... |
| 14:36.24 | zinx | is there any ETA on sid amd64 X.org being fixed? |
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| 14:36.27 | littleball | azeem, i am not sure |
| 14:36.28 | jvw | littleball: little trick: "sort file1 file2 file2 | uniq -c | grep '^ *1 ' |
| 14:36.45 | StereoSkit | dudes, i have just migrated from stable to testing and from XF64 to xorg, now X is sending errors. i use a usb mouse and gdm is telling me: "(EE) xf86OpenSerial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice No Such device", have tried several configuration and the error is the same, any pointers here? |
| 14:36.57 | StereoSkit | *XF86 |
| 14:37.05 | sorpigal | jvw: that wont tell you which numbers in the first file were not in the second, which I think is what he is asking for. |
| 14:37.07 | littleball | jvw? why sort file1 file2 file2? |
| 14:37.09 | jvw | littleball: assuming no line in file1 nor in file2 actually occurs twice |
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| 14:37.28 | CraZyLeGs | greetings |
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| 14:37.51 | jvw | littleball: because "in no file: 0", "only in file1: 1", "only in file2: 2", "in both: 3" will be the count of lines |
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| 14:38.07 | CraZyLeGs | I'm downloading debian using bit-torent, should I download all the iso's in there ? |
| 14:38.10 | StereoSkit | dpkg: ,xorg |
| 14:38.10 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 14:38.24 | azeem | CraZyLeGs: you don't need to |
| 14:38.37 | azeem | CraZyLeGs: you can install missing software over the internet after the install |
| 14:38.48 | jvw | CraZyLeGs: most likely 'netinst' will do, it's 100MB, and is the best choice if you have internet after install |
| 14:38.49 | kspath | diff or comm should be helpful perhaps |
| 14:39.03 | sorpigal | or it will. Nifty. |
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| 14:39.07 | CraZyLeGs | ok, how many should I download |
| 14:39.28 | kspath | littleball: comm might be more your speed so that you can decide what you want to do later. |
| 14:40.12 | littleball | kspath, jvw, actually, i don't understand whether jvw 's method works or not |
| 14:40.25 | CraZyLeGs | I'm behind a linksys wireless router, I don't know if I'll have internet access immediately after install |
| 14:40.33 | kspath | littleball: does it matter? comm will do what you want |
| 14:40.55 | jvw | CraZyLeGs: just cd1 gives you a full desktop, and possibility to compile modules |
| 14:40.57 | sorpigal | littleball: his method works but is more complicated than necessary. |
| 14:40.57 | littleball | kspath, why do you talk about comm? |
| 14:41.07 | kspath | littleball: man comm |
| 14:41.11 | kspath | littleball: comm is a command |
| 14:41.20 | littleball | i see |
| 14:41.21 | kspath | littleball: learn about diff and comm |
| 14:41.22 | littleball | thanks |
| 14:41.35 | littleball | i know diff but doesn't use comm before |
| 14:41.43 | jvw | hm, didn't know about comm either, indeed |
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| 14:41.48 | kspath | littleball: Did not use comm before. |
| 14:41.59 | damian_ | ahh, thanks myboxen |
| 14:42.00 | jvw | definitely easier here, probably |
| 14:42.02 | littleball | yes |
| 14:42.02 | sorpigal | littleball: comm -3 file1 file2, or even diff -u file1 file2 |grep ^-|cut -d '-' -f 2 |
| 14:42.08 | kspath | comm is newish compared to diff |
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| 14:42.38 | sorpigal | comm seems like the easiest, really. |
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| 14:42.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: TRIP ON THE FUNNY BOAT! |
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| 14:44.29 | kspath | are you aware of the command cmp? |
| 14:44.53 | Sonny | Hi. how do i know if my kernel is compiled with the USB Serial converter support enabled? |
| 14:44.54 | kspath | littleball: Are you aware of the command cmp? It might be useful to you in future. |
| 14:45.10 | kspath | littleball: Are you aware of the strings command? |
| 14:45.19 | littleball | sorpigal,... i don;t think what u are talking works. becauase i tried. Set 1 - Set 2 should has less number of elements than S1 |
| 14:45.21 | sorpigal | it would help if there were a way to tell comm to use something other than whitespace to indicate which column is which. |
| 14:45.34 | littleball | kspath, i will learn. |
| 14:45.37 | kspath | littleball: Is this homework? |
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| 14:45.49 | littleball | yes |
| 14:46.02 | kspath | sorpigal: Have you ever used awk or cut? |
| 14:46.12 | sorpigal | kspath: all the time |
| 14:46.13 | kspath | sorpigal: What is wrong with whitespace? |
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| 14:46.29 | NoRC` | Gnome or KDE? Which would be best... |
| 14:46.40 | NoRC` | And i realise its like Ford Vs. Holden. |
| 14:46.42 | sorpigal | kspath: most utilities collapse adjacent whitespace |
| 14:46.50 | NoRC` | But i gotta make a choice and personally i have no idea. |
| 14:46.56 | kspath | sorpigal: and? |
| 14:47.04 | myboxen | damian_: your welcome |
| 14:47.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: you want me to !repeat ? |
| 14:47.26 | tarzeau | NoRC`: gnustep and wmaker |
| 14:47.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: i trip on other things. |
| 14:47.37 | sorpigal | kspath: that means it doesn't seperate well. Harder to grab "just column 2" from the output of comm than it has to be |
| 14:47.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://antargis.berlios.de/index.php?page=features&dummy=1582766082 |
| 14:47.57 | kspath | sorpigal: awk '{print $2}' |
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| 14:48.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: that looks great! |
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| 14:48.23 | NoRC` | tarzeau ... gnustep = ? |
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| 14:48.36 | sorpigal | kspath: have you tried that? It does not work. |
| 14:48.41 | Kernel_Core | hi all.. |
| 14:48.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: package it! |
| 14:48.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: and the3 funny boat! |
| 14:48.54 | kspath | sorpigal: Do you have access to this "homework"? |
| 14:49.03 | thingfish | well isn't that nice. gnomebaker looks like it's burning a data cd, but nothing is on the cd after burn is over. |
| 14:49.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: man it's a game title? |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 14:49.12 | Kernel_Core | is there anyway to load a compiled module under 2.4 kernel , under 2.6 Kernel ?! |
| 14:49.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.pyweek.org/e/Pekuja/ |
| 14:49.30 | sorpigal | kspath: in my own test set of data which I am using it does not work. Two files with newline seperated numbers. |
| 14:49.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: man it look sgreat! |
| 14:49.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: package it! |
| 14:49.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: if only it wasn't python |
| 14:49.49 | NoRC` | kde it is then.... |
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| 14:50.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: so ... |
| 14:50.08 | kspath | sorpigal: we were talking about columns of output from comm. |
| 14:50.17 | sorpigal | kspath: comm one two | awk '{print $2}' # this prints nothing because whitespace is ignored and there is only one clumn of output |
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| 14:53.09 | kspath | sorpigal: I see what you mean. I assumed they used a place holder by default. |
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| 14:53.44 | kspath | sorpigal: apparently, -1 is all that person needed for their homework. |
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| 14:53.54 | Dj_Spy | where are the PAM headers on debian? |
| 14:54.38 | vorsprung | what's the latest on the firefox vulnerabilities? |
| 14:54.59 | sorpigal | kspath: from what he was saying I would think -3 would have been it. Things in file 1 not duplicated in file 2. |
| 14:55.02 | vorsprung | is the firefox in debian stable vulnerable? I assume it is |
| 14:55.03 | kspath | sorpigal: You could run it three times which kind of sucks. Better to do it with something more powerful or rewrite comm to have a place holder option. -F "placeholder" |
| 14:55.13 | _rene_ | Dj_Spy: in /usr/include of course |
| 14:55.24 | sorpigal | kspath: exactly, something like cut's -d |
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| 14:55.34 | kspath | sorpigal: That way comm -F":" file0 file1 would work |
| 14:56.11 | littleball | for x in `cat nosb` ; do cat nosa|grep -v $x > /tmp/1; cp /tmp/1 nosa; done |
| 14:56.18 | kspath | sorpigal: Or -F is a prefix for every column so it would be the delimiter |
| 14:56.21 | _rene_ | Dj_Spy: of course, you want to install the -dev package |
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| 14:57.02 | kspath | that would make comm much more useful |
| 14:57.09 | sorpigal | probably not |
| 14:57.14 | sorpigal | but more versatile, surely. |
| 14:57.17 | Trewas | vorsprung: backporting fixes for all the 21 firefox holes (though I guess most of them were not critical) must be funny for the debian's security team |
| 14:57.21 | vorsprung | kspath, sounds like you should just use perl instead |
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| 14:57.36 | kspath | vorsprung: I agree or python or C or ruby or ... |
| 14:57.41 | vorsprung | Trewas, it must be extremely nasty :/ |
| 14:58.07 | vorsprung | kspath, what do you want to do? It's probably only one line of perl |
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| 14:58.18 | kspath | vorsprung: I do not want to do it. |
| 14:58.26 | kspath | vorsprung: see littleball |
| 14:58.28 | Trewas | vorsprung: though I guess they'll go the easy way and eventually just "backport" the version number and put 1.5.0.2 in stable |
| 14:58.41 | vorsprung | Trewas, heh yeah |
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| 14:59.19 | vorsprung | Trewas, I'll give em a couple of days then probably get the bin tarball from mozilla.org |
| 14:59.21 | kspath | vorsprung: I assumed littleball was using shell for a reason so I tried to give options in shell rather than perl or python or ruby or C or whatever. |
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| 14:59.38 | Dj_Spy | is dat pam-dev of the package? |
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| 14:59.57 | vorsprung | kspath, I'm sure you did your best! People ask for some crazy stuff. No offense littleball :) |
| 15:00.13 | _rene_ | Dj_Spy: why don't you look? and think? how would the -dev package be named when the lib is named libpam0g? mmh? ;) |
| 15:00.32 | _rene_ | Dj_Spy: you want to use apt-cache search and/or apt-file |
| 15:00.35 | kspath | vorsprung: It was not my best. I am half awake and I never use comm myself. |
| 15:00.43 | abrotman | _rene_: do you know how to install a package? |
| 15:00.56 | _rene_ | abrotman: err? |
| 15:01.19 | Broxtor | Hi. I have a question regarding Firefox and thunderbird in Etch. The UI looks terrible and when I apply themes, these don't get rendered properly. Is this something that can be fixed easily? |
| 15:01.47 | abrotman | _rene_: humour! |
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| 15:05.13 | kspath | sorpigal: Sorry, your point was the reason I almost never used comm in the past. I was too lazy to modify comm as well. |
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| 15:05.37 | vk2na | test |
| 15:05.48 | kspath | failed |
| 15:05.52 | lostson | 1 2 3 |
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| 15:06.06 | vk2na | thanks - just testing the new install. |
| 15:06.39 | vk2na | but it's late and I have to crash. |
| 15:06.51 | lostson | new installs always work they never fail |
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| 15:07.19 | vk2na | this worked okay - debian netinstall - only hitch was getting nvidia driver working - but no worries. |
| 15:07.24 | CraZyLeGs | what's the current kernel version debian uses ? |
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| 15:07.55 | LordNazgul | crazylegs depends on what branch of debian |
| 15:07.59 | wakeman | is there a good spectrum analyzer in linux? |
| 15:08.00 | vk2na | 2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 15:08.27 | vk2na | i suppose there is a 20 version - ubuntu runs 2.6.20 |
| 15:08.42 | azeem | vk2na: eh? |
| 15:08.44 | CraZyLeGs | I don't know, I download the stable version from the website |
| 15:08.48 | sorpigal | kspath: I was too lazy the least time I tried comm, but today I am at work and bored so I'll have a go. |
| 15:08.59 | azeem | CraZyLeGs: it's 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 I think |
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| 15:09.04 | vk2na | i thinks it's 20 or 19... pretty sure. |
| 15:09.14 | azeem | CraZyLeGs: enter linux26 at the bootprompt to use the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:09.29 | azeem | vk2na: i) you're wrong, ii) it's irrelevant here |
| 15:09.47 | vk2na | sorry my dapper version has 2.6.15-20-386 |
| 15:09.54 | vk2na | that's the output from uname -r |
| 15:10.05 | azeem | vk2na: right, it's still irrelevant here |
| 15:10.06 | jetscreamer | dapper |
| 15:10.11 | thingfish | I didn't think that was a Debian kernel. |
| 15:10.16 | kspath | sorpigal: I am unemployed and not bored. I wish I had work. |
| 15:10.16 | CraZyLeGs | ok, because I need >=2.4.26 for my wireless pci card to work |
| 15:10.19 | jetscreamer | isn't that in #ubuntu+1 or something |
| 15:10.27 | abrotman | vk2na: go to #ubuntu |
| 15:10.32 | lepton | Broxtor: I'd suggest reading the font howto |
| 15:10.34 | vk2na | no |
| 15:10.50 | vk2na | i am running debian on my tecra m2 laptop - just installed. |
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| 15:11.09 | Broxtor | lepton: I hardly dare to ask, but where can I find that? |
| 15:11.27 | lepton | Broxtor: dpkg told you :) |
| 15:11.32 | vk2na | catch you all later. i gotta run. ciao |
| 15:11.55 | Broxtor | lepton: It did! Thnx! |
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| 15:12.10 | abrotman | HA! .. my woody runs a 2.6.46! |
| 15:12.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: but does it have a tattoo? |
| 15:12.51 | abrotman | nope |
| 15:13.37 | sorpigal | kspath: okay, so what do you think... keep the indentation and prefix the indented line or just replace the indentation with the prefix? |
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| 15:13.58 | kspath | sorpigal: make it optional? |
| 15:14.11 | sorpigal | kspath: make the tab optional? |
| 15:14.30 | kspath | sorpigal: perhaps |
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| 15:15.01 | thomas__ | !fuck |
| 15:15.01 | dpkg | fuck is probably a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 15:15.10 | azeem | thomas__: uhm? |
| 15:15.19 | azeem | dpkg: forget fuck |
| 15:15.19 | thomas__ | sry testing the bot |
| 15:15.21 | abrotman | crazy germans |
| 15:15.27 | azeem | thomas__: /msg it |
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| 15:15.46 | abrotman | more like a troll :) |
| 15:15.50 | kspath | sorpigal: it could be three columns of delimiters or three columners of tabs or it could be tabs AND delimiters? |
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| 15:16.24 | kspath | sorpigal: It is your project. Whatever you think is best is likely very very good. |
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| 15:17.11 | nse | is reading the bash manual the best way to learn bash scripting? |
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| 15:17.22 | kspath | nse: no |
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| 15:18.04 | kspath | nse: scripting and reading good scripts and trying different solutions for problems are the better ways. keep the manual close by though. |
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| 15:18.32 | Juerd | I have no /proc/scsi, but scsi (sata) works. Any hints? |
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| 15:18.51 | nse | i've been looking through a few of them.. advanced bash scripting. bash for beginners and the bash manual itself |
| 15:18.54 | kspath | nse: should all the /etc/init.d/ scripts but bash is not ksh or sh or zsh or tcsh or csh |
| 15:19.13 | kspath | nse: Reading them over and over will not hurt you. |
| 15:19.16 | r_marvin | nse: bash for beginners should do fine for starters |
| 15:19.39 | kspath | nse: You need to actually script also. |
| 15:19.53 | sorpigal | nse: if you must read something, read the bash howto. |
| 15:19.55 | kspath | nse: Do not get too hooked on shell scripting in bash. |
| 15:20.09 | Kurtism | will aptitude ever support torrents as a source for downloading packages |
| 15:20.18 | Kurtism | how cool would that be |
| 15:20.24 | r_marvin | actually no |
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| 15:20.26 | sorpigal | Kurtism: that would not work very well |
| 15:20.26 | kspath | nse: ksh is more portable for sysadmin work and perl and python and ruby and C and others are better for anything really complicated. |
| 15:20.35 | Kurtism | why not? |
| 15:20.35 | lzhang | how do I find out the password of a user as root? |
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| 15:20.39 | r_marvin | it would mean that each package must have a tracker |
| 15:20.40 | infernix | hm. aptitude upgrade removes the sensible-mda package which sendmail uses. why's that? (sarge) |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | Kurtism: you write the patch .. but it's a pretty bad idea |
| 15:21.04 | Kurtism | your repository would have to have a whole bunch of torrent files I guess |
| 15:21.07 | nse | kspath: yes that's really a good point |
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| 15:21.36 | sorpigal | Kurtism: (1) it's not very secure. (2) torrents work better for large files (hundreds of megabytes). debs are mostly small so little gain would be seen. |
| 15:21.45 | kspath | nse: You do not want to get yourself into thinking in bash mode when all you have is a ksh/POSIX shell available. |
| 15:21.49 | priscila | Kurtism: what path have you written? |
| 15:22.17 | Kurtism | I suppose |
| 15:22.35 | nse | kspath: but i'm willing to become a master in linux so bash scripting is essential. i am learning c though |
| 15:22.42 | kspath | nse: The newest bash is quite a bit more powerful but zsh is amazing if it is just your personal shell. Focus on ksh first though. |
| 15:23.05 | Braindead | nse: first you'll have to put wax on cars |
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| 15:23.32 | Braindead | that's the miyagi way |
| 15:23.37 | kspath | nse: Why is bash essential? ksh will do whatever you want and 99% of the time will run in bash or zsh shell. |
| 15:24.07 | infernix | god, aptitude is such a piece of shit |
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| 15:24.20 | dvs | !infernix++ |
| 15:24.28 | infernix | why the hell does it keep removing essential packages? |
| 15:24.31 | nse | kspath: really? everythinh i read about shells told me that i should learn and use bash because it's a common shell and have a lot of features from other shells including ksh |
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| 15:24.40 | infernix | its gonna remove module-init-tools for crying out loud |
| 15:24.59 | abrotman | infernix: so what? |
| 15:25.01 | Sonny | hi, I installed libxml2 library then i tried to install "hptalx" wihch does require the installed version of libxml2, but it tells me that it is not installed, how can I solve it? |
| 15:25.12 | infernix | abrotman: i run 2.6. it'll break my system. |
| 15:25.22 | abrotman | infernix: is it trying to install yaird too ? |
| 15:25.26 | zinx | infernix: Priority: important |
| 15:25.31 | infernix | it also wants to remove sensible-mda, which will break sendmail. |
| 15:25.37 | abrotman | !conflicts yaird etch |
| 15:25.42 | azeem | Sonny: how do you install hptalx? |
| 15:25.44 | Sonny | #debian-es |
| 15:25.45 | dpkg | yaird: does not conflict with any other package |
| 15:25.49 | abrotman | oh ffs! |
| 15:25.55 | kspath | nse: exactly, it has more options that are rarely really needed but if you know bash has them and you do not know that others do not you will be having some issues. Nothing wrong with learning bash exactly. Just trying to give you some advice from experience. |
| 15:26.01 | Sonny | azeem, ./configure && make && sudo make install |
| 15:26.14 | infernix | as well as libperl5.8, udev irqbalance. and im not even on etch, this is just sarge. |
| 15:26.19 | azeem | Sonny: then you need the development version of the libxml2 library |
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| 15:26.37 | abrotman | infernix: then yes .. nothing should be removing that |
| 15:26.43 | Sonny | azeem, ok let me try |
| 15:26.53 | abrotman | infernix: paste your sources at pastebin.ca or something |
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| 15:27.13 | infernix | nah i cant be arsed. apt-get suits me fine |
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| 15:27.26 | grendal_prime | whats the command for finding the exact dev a usb is assigned? |
| 15:27.41 | azeem | grendal_prime: check dmesg |
| 15:27.43 | grendal_prime | dmesg shows it..but i cant figure out how to set up the mount to it |
| 15:27.44 | Eclipser | dmesg and grep? |
| 15:27.44 | Kurtism | /proc/??? |
| 15:27.45 | nse | kspath: ok, time will show me the best way to go |
| 15:27.57 | azeem | grendal_prime: figure out what exactly? |
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| 15:28.12 | Kurtism | he wants the /dev/deviceid |
| 15:28.33 | kspath | nse: best will depend on your experiences. If you end up working with only linux and others that only use bash than you will likely be safe. |
| 15:28.34 | abrotman | hrm .. you know .. we haven't see kawfee in a long time |
| 15:28.49 | Kurtism | bash is the best |
| 15:29.00 | kspath | !shellware |
| 15:29.03 | kspath | !shellwar |
| 15:29.09 | Kurtism | !shellwar |
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| 15:29.21 | grendal_prime | well on my laptop i set up , it up to mount /dev/sd1 to /mnt/usbdrive |
| 15:29.34 | grendal_prime | sorry sda1 |
| 15:29.39 | DaGoodBoy | Is there a 'Debian way' to set the changelog other than editing the changelog file? |
| 15:29.49 | azeem | DaGoodBoy: dch helps |
| 15:29.49 | DaGoodBoy | When building a package, i mean |
| 15:29.51 | kspath | Kurtism: I think zsh is more powerful than bash but I am not telling anyone they should study zsh before ksh or bash. |
| 15:29.52 | grendal_prime | on this other machine it sees this as a scsi device |
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| 15:30.09 | kspath | grendal_prime: kernel? |
| 15:30.14 | grendal_prime | 2.6 |
| 15:30.15 | kspath | grendal_prime: 2.4.X? |
| 15:30.18 | kspath | wow |
| 15:30.18 | azeem | grendal_prime: what's the problem? |
| 15:30.23 | Kurtism | what features makes zsh more powerful? |
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| 15:30.32 | grendal_prime | well trying to mount a usb mass storage device |
| 15:30.32 | DaGoodBoy | zaeem: Ah! That's what I was missing, thanks! |
| 15:30.37 | DaGoodBoy | azeem: Ah! That's what I was missing, thanks! |
| 15:30.42 | zinx | Kurtism: the ability to completely break tab completion every time you upgrade!! |
| 15:30.43 | infernix | sheesh. i have grub and aptitude wants to replace it with lilo. thats just it. byebye aptitude |
| 15:30.50 | azeem | grendal_prime: what command are you running? |
| 15:30.55 | kspath | Kurtism: I am already offtopic and I do not want to get into measure our pipes in public. |
| 15:30.58 | grendal_prime | cant figure out what /dev/??? to put into the fstab for it |
| 15:31.07 | azeem | grendal_prime: dmesg |
| 15:31.17 | evaded_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.18 | grendal_prime | /dev/sda1/media/cameraautorw,user,noauto 00 |
| 15:31.20 | Kurtism | I'm only curious |
| 15:31.24 | Morydd | is anyone else seeing bug #362069 still with 1:7.0.0-4 ? |
| 15:31.37 | nse | kspath: actually i think about linux as a system which has a lot of configuration scripts written in shell language for the people to turn on their needs. the core of the system which do not need to be changed is kept as binary code. i think that shell scripting works for this purpose, to let the user turn the system the way he wants. am i correct? |
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| 15:31.40 | grendal_prime | dmesg tells me it is scsi0 |
| 15:31.45 | enzo | hi |
| 15:31.47 | azeem | grendal_prime: aha |
| 15:31.54 | kspath | Kurtism: There are likely a few sites that compare shells well with great detail. |
| 15:31.59 | infernix | there, at least dselect agrees with apt-get. all is well. |
| 15:32.02 | azeem | you didn't mention this until now |
| 15:32.06 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 15:32.11 | grendal_prime | i thought i did |
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| 15:32.43 | azeem | and when you mount /dev/scsi0 manually? |
| 15:32.45 | Kurtism | I wish apt could grab from multiple sources at the same time to maximize bandwidth usage |
| 15:32.55 | azeem | Kurtism: it does, AFAIK |
| 15:33.01 | Kurtism | really, how? |
| 15:33.01 | grendal_prime | havent tryed that yet working on it |
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| 15:33.11 | azeem | it just does not grab multiple packages from the same source |
| 15:33.17 | Kurtism | it only ever seems to grab from one source at a time |
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| 15:33.29 | azeem | Kurtism: hrm, maybe you're right |
| 15:33.35 | enzo | i currently use a touchscreen (one of the 2 famous trademarks), and i have to calibrate the touchscreen, thanks to a program 'touchcal', but i don't find the latter in debian repository, however this program is quite short, it should be very easy to add it to repository, who can i contact to ask for add in repo ? |
| 15:33.38 | kspath | nse: It was not intended that way. C was supposed to be easy enough to modify whatever you want(ed) but then you get into depending on your modifications so it was sometimes better to stay more generic. |
| 15:34.15 | grendal_prime | says it cannot determine file system and none was specified |
| 15:34.28 | grendal_prime | fstab entry uses auto. |
| 15:34.29 | enzo | should be important to have touchcal in debian, as it can calibrate 90% of touchscreen, and it would help buddy to install debian on kiosk |
| 15:34.31 | kspath | nse: Shell is your interface to the system. |
| 15:34.40 | Kurtism | you know how those peer to peer programs can get the same file from multiple webservers and combine the chunks on your end... that would be cool for apt, it would be better than bittorrent |
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| 15:34.42 | nse | kspath: because i was wondering about where are the boundaries of C and shell |
| 15:34.46 | azeem | grendal_prime: do you have the usb-storage module loaded? |
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| 15:34.55 | grendal_prime | good question |
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| 15:34.57 | grendal_prime | hold on |
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| 15:35.39 | grendal_prime | lsmod lists it ya |
| 15:35.51 | lepton | enzo: if there is an rpm, download it and use the "alien" package to convert it to debian format for install |
| 15:35.53 | azeem | grendal_prime: what kernel is this exactly? |
| 15:35.58 | Kurtism | simultaneous download of chunks of a particular package from Multiple Web or FTP servers. |
| 15:35.59 | kspath | nse: shell is an interface and C is a language. The shell has been extended a bit to make it more useful so you can "script" something more useful than typing one command on a commandline and collecting output in a file. |
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| 15:36.10 | tosh | anyone running awstats? I can run it, I run the update script but no content in my statspages... any ideas? |
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| 15:36.50 | enzo | lepton: in fact, i can easily install this program on my debian, the point is rather: "i'd like this program to be in debian repository to ease other guys to configure their touchscreen" |
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| 15:37.08 | enzo | would be good for debian to have this program in repository lepton i think |
| 15:37.15 | enzo | in fact, i don't think, i'm sure :) |
| 15:37.41 | enzo | touchcal is there: http://www.sgoc.de/touchcal.html only a .tgz |
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| 15:39.08 | Ruede | hi all |
| 15:39.44 | Kurtism | where is the maintainer page for Aptitude anyway? |
| 15:39.49 | Kurtism | or the project page |
| 15:39.54 | grendal_prime | 2.6.8-3 azeem |
| 15:40.00 | gilianima | How to change this vim command /foo\_.\{-}bar so that it only matches the first pattern found ? |
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| 15:40.58 | azeem | grendal_prime: and this is Debian stable? |
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| 15:41.04 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 15:41.12 | azeem | I've no idea where this scsi0 should come from, sorry |
| 15:41.32 | grendal_prime | hold on something strange happend |
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| 15:42.53 | Kurtism | hmmm |
| 15:42.58 | grendal_prime | just started working strange |
| 15:43.01 | grendal_prime | with the sda1 |
| 15:43.17 | Kurtism | so does anybody know where the Project page for Apt/aptitude is? |
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| 15:44.23 | azeem | Kurtism: they are two destinct projects |
| 15:44.30 | azeem | not sure they have project pages |
| 15:44.52 | kspath | Do they have mailing lists? |
| 15:44.55 | zrin | I've built a kernel with a device driver for my SATA chip (via vt8251), I'm giving up using it's (fake) RAID because ti seems that there is a problem for grub to mount/load something from that RAID (?). Now I'd like too boot of SATA (/sda) - what is the most straight forward way to achieve this? Is there a simple way to build installer CD with my kernel? |
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| 15:45.41 | Braindead | zrin: what's the point in using fake raid? use linux's own soft raid,it's more tested and stable |
| 15:45.57 | grendal_prime | hey on usb mass storage devices...some of them lite up...(they have a lite on them) someone asked me why it does not turn the lite off when they are unmounted? |
| 15:46.02 | Braindead | ah,you're stopping using it |
| 15:46.08 | zrin | Braindead: I say I'm giving up the fake raid, I just want to use SATA (with SW raid) |
| 15:46.18 | grendal_prime | i always assumed that was some sort of idiotproffing windes did with apm but wanted to make sure |
| 15:46.24 | Braindead | zrin: debian installer should be just fine |
| 15:46.26 | Braindead | !d-i |
| 15:46.26 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
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| 15:47.10 | zrin | Braindead: debian installer does not recognize my SATA chip (vt8251), I had to patch the kernel in order to get it working (with ahci) |
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| 15:47.41 | Braindead | zrin: knoppix|anylivewitharecentkernel + debootstrap |
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| 15:47.56 | zrin | Braindead: shall I try to build the installer with my kernel? |
| 15:48.26 | zrin | Braindead: event a recent kernel (1.6.16.5) won't recognize vt8251 |
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| 15:48.42 | dvs | zrin: that's old ;-) |
| 15:48.52 | zrin | dvs: 2.* of course ;) |
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| 15:49.17 | lepton | zrin: don't try to build the installer |
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| 15:49.50 | zrin | Braindead: with 2.6.16.5 I had to patch ahci.c and via_sata.c to get it working |
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| 15:50.05 | zrin | lepton: did you try it? |
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| 15:50.36 | zrin | lepton: what about taking an existing installer and inserting my kernel? is that an idea? |
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| 15:54.22 | ensh | Hi |
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| 15:55.37 | bwlang | i need to make a network diagram... what's some good software to use? xfig, dia, inkscape? |
| 15:55.54 | harfooz | bwelmers, dia is what I've used for all my diagrams. |
| 15:56.02 | tosh | and it sucks horribly |
| 15:56.12 | bwelmers | harfooz: I'm using xfig for that |
| 15:56.18 | harfooz | woops -- bwlang |
| 15:56.24 | harfooz | sorry 'bout that bwelmers |
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| 15:56.27 | tosh | I reboot in windows for visio, no decent opensource proggie for that IMO |
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| 15:56.57 | Braindead | for *network* diagrams? not UML... |
| 15:57.10 | bwelmers | network diagram, I don't know. for elektric schematics Xfig works quite well. |
| 15:57.13 | bwlang | Braindead: not uml... just a picture of the network... |
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| 15:57.49 | Braindead | bwlang: that's what I'm saying. dia should do just fine |
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| 15:58.04 | bwlang | one problem with xfig is that it doesn't really do objects with linking lines well (or maybe i just don't know how) |
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| 15:59.09 | evaded | tosh: Need you 'qemu' so that you not need to reboot but run Windows inside you're Debian?? |
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| 15:59.31 | tosh | evaded I could just load vmware |
| 15:59.36 | evaded | tosh: I guess you need to play with virtual machines |
| 15:59.40 | honschu | Is there a ftp-server which generates the file only when it was successfully uploaded? (When it's beeing uploaded it's named e.g. uload.txt.part, and gets upload.txt in the end) |
| 15:59.49 | evaded | tosh: Yep, that's the same thing |
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| 16:00.09 | evaded | tosh: Have you try 'qemu'?? |
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| 16:00.23 | tosh | evaded yes, and it doesn't come close to vmware |
| 16:00.29 | Kurtism | how the heck could I contribute to the apt project? |
| 16:00.43 | evaded | tosh: It's without an GUI i know, but do the same task |
| 16:00.50 | tosh | evaded but poorly |
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| 16:01.48 | evaded | tosh: I find it very well qemu. I understand the first time to play with that it's very not evident. But i work very well here |
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| 16:02.36 | tosh | evaded the VLAN support sucks, running it on an SMP machine makes it barf every 2 weeks or so and the management is quite poor, as is the list of supported operating systems |
| 16:02.40 | tosh | evaded but its a start :) |
| 16:03.14 | evaded | tosh: That i not know. I was begining to try to sugest you somethings lol ;-) |
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| 16:03.50 | evaded | tosh: Ok you know about the two brands there :-) So i guess you can play with virtual machines |
| 16:04.11 | tosh | evaded already have :) linux-vserver, xen, honeypotd and vmware :) |
| 16:04.15 | evaded | tosh: I try to not force you to reboot in another environment |
| 16:04.22 | tosh | and vmware is about the safest you can be if you want to jail certain OSes |
| 16:04.28 | tosh | all the rest have a shared kernel |
| 16:04.28 | evaded | tosh: hhhm, honey ;-) |
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| 16:04.46 | evaded | tosh: And get fish?? |
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| 16:04.59 | tosh | excuse me? |
| 16:05.08 | evaded | tosh: Honeypotd |
| 16:05.18 | tosh | ow it was for experimentation |
| 16:05.21 | evaded | tosh: Have you some people that try be you? |
| 16:05.23 | tosh | I didn't put it live |
| 16:05.35 | tosh | but I have some stuff I ran at home that was remotely interesting |
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| 16:05.46 | tosh | I didn't catch any 0days though ;) |
| 16:06.22 | evaded | tosh: Ooohh, not nice that ;-) |
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| 16:07.21 | evaded | tosh: I know not many about honeypotd, just an friend that always play with that to get 'fish' ;-) |
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| 16:07.42 | evaded | tosh: I'm to dumb for that lol ;-) |
| 16:07.53 | evaded | Xteven: wedgies?? |
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| 16:08.18 | Xteven | yes |
| 16:08.20 | Xteven | to wedgie |
| 16:08.24 | Xteven | a verb I just invented |
| 16:08.27 | evaded | Xteven: What mean that? |
| 16:08.31 | evaded | Xteven: lol |
| 16:09.11 | kspath | evaded: To pull your underwear up and out through the back so that it wedges and potentially hurts. |
| 16:09.43 | kspath | evaded: Try wikipedia I am almost sure something silly like that will be there. |
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| 16:10.21 | kspath | evaded: It is most often associated with bullies hurting people that are smaller because there is unlikely to be retaliation. |
| 16:10.56 | evaded | kspath: So that looks not good |
| 16:11.07 | sorpigal | kspath: want the modified comm? |
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| 16:11.50 | kspath | sorpigal: no thank you. Very kind of you. Perhaps submit it. There are likely many that would use it if they knew comm could do that. |
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| 16:12.16 | sorpigal | kspath: likely so |
| 16:12.16 | eagle1 | re |
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| 16:13.15 | eagle1 | i've a trouble on a fresh sarge. i've installed mysql-server-4.1 but doesnt work. so i've uninstalled mysql-server and purged. but i've a lot of mysql* binaries and a /etc/init.d/mysqld init script. how is possible? |
| 16:13.35 | kspath | eagle1: does not work? |
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| 16:14.07 | eagle1 | kspath, dont, but i'll understand what is the mysqld init script and WHY i've a lot of mysql binaries |
| 16:14.16 | kspath | eagle1: how did you install mysql-server-4.1? |
| 16:14.31 | evaded | kspath: I have found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedgie |
| 16:14.35 | eagle1 | when in fact i've done an apt-get remove mysql-server-4.1 && dpkg -P mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:14.48 | eagle1 | kspath, apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:15.15 | kspath | eagle1: That mysql came from Sarge repository? |
| 16:15.24 | Braindead | eagle1: and how did you purge it ? |
| 16:15.40 | eagle1 | dpkg -P mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 16:15.44 | Braindead | (hint: learn using aptitude) |
| 16:15.44 | eagle1 | kspath, yes |
| 16:15.52 | eagle1 | let me show you |
| 16:16.00 | Braindead | eagle1: and what about mysql-common and all other deps? |
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| 16:16.18 | Braindead | that's brutal and senseless. be smart: aptitude install FOO ; aptitude purge FOO |
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| 16:16.34 | eagle1 | Braindead, what i cant undestand is: |
| 16:16.49 | eagle1 | apt-get remove mysql-server-4.1 now say that i've no mysql-server installed |
| 16:16.50 | eagle1 | ok? |
| 16:16.51 | eagle1 | byt |
| 16:16.52 | eagle1 | but |
| 16:17.00 | eagle1 | [root@ajna:/etc/init.d]$ mysql --version |
| 16:17.00 | eagle1 | mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.10, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) |
| 16:17.00 | eagle1 | [root@ajna:/etc/init.d]$ |
| 16:17.03 | Silliman | any one know a good package repository with a bit more updated packages (php, apache, mysql) |
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| 16:17.14 | eagle1 | HOW is possible??!?! |
| 16:17.18 | nkuttler | Silliman: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:17.35 | kspath | eagle1: Do you know what mysqld is? |
| 16:17.43 | eagle1 | kspath, true |
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| 16:18.05 | eagle1 | i know |
| 16:18.10 | kspath | eagle1: You queried the client for a version. |
| 16:18.24 | eagle1 | kspath, oh |
| 16:18.27 | eagle1 | my fault |
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| 16:18.34 | kspath | No one is perfect. |
| 16:18.36 | chealer9 | Silliman: more updated than what? |
| 16:18.52 | kspath | Silliman: You should start one. |
| 16:18.57 | eagle1 | kspath, but i've another trouble with mysql |
| 16:19.03 | eagle1 | can i show? |
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| 16:19.11 | kspath | eagle1: Another problem with the mysql client? |
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| 16:19.30 | eagle1 | kspath, no with the server, really :P |
| 16:19.31 | kspath | eagle1: I am busy being unemployed. |
| 16:19.40 | kspath | eagle1: You purged it. |
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| 16:20.02 | Silliman | chealer9, is php 5.1.2 or mysql 5.x in debian stable? |
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| 16:20.33 | chealer9 | !tell Silliman about info php5 |
| 16:20.56 | kspath | Silliman: You should start a LAMP backports project. |
| 16:21.21 | chealer9 | !tell Silliman about info mysql-client |
| 16:21.41 | evaded | chealer9: The first not work |
| 16:21.42 | chealer9 | Silliman: no |
| 16:21.57 | kspath | evaded: The first? |
| 16:22.05 | evaded | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.12 | evaded | oeps |
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| 16:22.46 | evaded | hhmm, now it work lol |
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| 16:23.40 | evaded | I guess typo errno ;-) |
| 16:23.55 | Silliman | !tell Silliman about info apache2 |
| 16:24.11 | chealer9 | !tell Silliman about selftell |
| 16:24.17 | Silliman | i want 2.2 :( |
| 16:24.20 | kspath | chealer9: you are too fast. |
| 16:24.31 | chealer9 | kspath: please stop me :) |
| 16:24.34 | kspath | Silliman: package it |
| 16:24.55 | Silliman | hmmm |
| 16:24.56 | Silliman | okay |
| 16:25.10 | evaded | Where can i get info to make an backport?? |
| 16:25.17 | chealer9 | kspath: you don't need to say that |
| 16:25.26 | chealer9 | !tell evaded about backport |
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| 16:25.36 | azeem | !simple sid backport |
| 16:25.37 | dpkg | simple sid backport is probably 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 16:26.17 | evaded | chealer9: Yes, that i know, but how to make one? It's like to make an simple deb? The same procedure? |
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| 16:27.13 | cahoot | evaded: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 16:27.15 | evaded | Because there are some software more on my laptop (testing) that i also want for my Stable |
| 16:27.17 | kspath | !tell evaded about packaging |
| 16:27.30 | chealer9 | evaded: not necessarily, that's in the best/simple case |
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| 16:27.40 | kspath | evaded: Dependencies is the largest issue. |
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| 16:28.15 | evaded | kspath: Like i'm not realy good with depencies troubles, i can forget i guess :-/ |
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| 16:30.04 | kspath | evaded: People always assume that someone is lazy when there is not the latest and great of whatever but there is a LOT more to it than just one program. |
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| 16:30.15 | grendal_prime | usbmount, hmmm this seems to shut down the hardware as well, how does it unmount when you pull it out though? |
| 16:30.21 | klync | i can't figure out why my kernel is not supporting SMP on my dual-p3 system... anyone got ideas? the config file is here: http://www.26a.net/klync/config-2.4.32 |
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| 16:30.25 | eren | hi |
| 16:30.40 | eren | is there a " rc-update " command :S |
| 16:30.41 | eren | i couldn't find it |
| 16:30.41 | grendal_prime | i thought that the unmount process involved writing the changes to the device as well |
| 16:30.52 | evaded | kspath: I want Plone2 :-/ |
| 16:31.29 | evaded | kspath: Because some years ago, when i was on m$ i had many work and a bit contribute on it |
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| 16:31.40 | cahoot | eren: looking for update-rc.d? |
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| 16:31.54 | chealer9 | kspath: how many are there? 2, Linux and GNU? |
| 16:31.58 | eagle1 | kspath, when i try to start mysqld i get this error |
| 16:32.08 | eagle1 | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 16:32.08 | eagle1 | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 16:32.10 | evaded | kspath: Like it's now a bit more that 2 years i'm on Debian, i have leave it a bit that Plone. |
| 16:32.22 | eagle1 | on #mysql some ppl says that is a debian trouble |
| 16:32.38 | Braindead | eagle1: here I'd say it's a PEBKAC |
| 16:32.40 | eagle1 | never got this error on other unix boxes |
| 16:32.50 | Braindead | eagle1: /usr/share/doc/ is your friend |
| 16:33.09 | evaded | eagle1: I guess you have not setup it?? |
| 16:33.09 | Braindead | and README.Debian files in there too |
| 16:33.19 | evaded | eagle1: No user, no access |
| 16:33.25 | jetscreamer | ok so wtf did glx go |
| 16:33.31 | eagle1 | please.. i've read readme.debian |
| 16:33.34 | eagle1 | and a lot of docs |
| 16:33.36 | jetscreamer | what's the workaround |
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| 16:33.54 | eagle1 | i run a lot of unix boxes and never got this trouble. |
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| 16:34.07 | eagle1 | so if someone GENTLY can say to me something is great |
| 16:34.09 | C`Alexa | Hello i have a problem |
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| 16:34.11 | evaded | eagle1: Otherwise try this, my little note : http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/test/test_website/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=17 |
| 16:34.11 | C`Alexa | i type: ps auxw | grep postmaster |
| 16:34.20 | C`Alexa | running postmaster |
| 16:34.24 | C`Alexa | how i can stop this? |
| 16:34.41 | eagle1 | evaded, thanks. |
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| 16:35.04 | C`Alexa | ps auxw | grep postmaster |
| 16:35.04 | C`Alexa | root 14570 0.0 0.3 1404 460 pts/4 S 19:34 0:00 grep postmaster |
| 16:35.09 | C`Alexa | how i can stop this? |
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| 16:35.18 | kspath | that is you grepping for postmaster |
| 16:35.23 | stew | eagle1: try running mysqld by hand from the command line or turning on the error log in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 16:35.39 | kspath | C`Alexa: man grep |
| 16:35.43 | C`Alexa | ;( |
| 16:35.45 | C`Alexa | running or ? |
| 16:35.49 | C`Alexa | postmaster run? |
| 16:35.56 | cahoot | C`Alexa: ps auxw | grep [p]ostmaster |
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| 16:36.19 | malex | topic |
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| 16:36.32 | CentrX | alt.wesley.die.die.die | |
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| 16:37.05 | jetscreamer | anybody know what debian sid xorg7 did with glx? aka why doesn't it find it |
| 16:37.12 | kspath | C`Alexa: Have you ever thought about ps auxw | grep postmaster | grep -v grep There are much better ways if you learn grep. |
| 16:37.23 | C`Alexa | ok wait i type updatedb ;)) |
| 16:37.58 | tralala_ | C`Alexa: pgrep postmaster, ps $(pgrep postmaster) |
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| 16:38.13 | tralala_ | ps -C postmaster |
| 16:38.15 | kspath | C`Alexa: another hint: postmaster would be related to email or something starting with the name post like postfix or postgresql or ... |
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| 16:38.21 | tralala_ | you do have options |
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| 16:38.41 | tralala_ | postmaster = postgresql server |
| 16:38.48 | C`Alexa | aham |
| 16:39.14 | jetscreamer | hell come to think of it wtf is glxinfo |
| 16:39.26 | jetscreamer | where, not what |
| 16:39.34 | tralala | to stop it - /etc/init.d/postgres<tab> stop |
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| 16:40.41 | C`Alexa | ps -C postmaster |
| 16:40.41 | C`Alexa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.42 | kspath | There are a lot of spoon feeders today. I guess that might be considered good in a help channel. |
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| 16:40.46 | C`Alexa | run or ? |
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| 16:41.02 | C`Alexa | ah 10x |
| 16:41.06 | kspath | C`Alexa: learn about ps man ps |
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| 16:41.33 | kspath | ps -C postmaster | grep -v PID |
| 16:41.38 | C`Alexa | 10x |
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| 16:41.46 | kspath | 20x |
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| 16:42.55 | kspath | C`Alexa: read about these commands and practice with them so you know what they do and do not do. |
| 16:43.03 | tralala | !10x |
| 16:43.03 | dpkg | 10x is, like, TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly? |
| 16:43.21 | tralala | !dpkg++ |
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| 16:44.19 | kspath | good point, reading the manuals properly and completely and practicing with the commands would be a good start to not having to do everything 1000x |
| 16:45.08 | kspath | C`Alexa: OR you could pay someone who knows what they are doing 1x |
| 16:45.14 | C`Alexa | =)) |
| 16:45.17 | C`Alexa | Gratie |
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| 16:45.45 | kspath | Prego Da Nada Witam ... Cupla Cheri |
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| 16:45.52 | C`Alexa | ;)) |
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| 16:46.02 | Denmark | Which motherboard should I buy? |
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| 16:46.08 | cahoot | why not just say thanks once - properly? |
| 16:46.25 | Denmark | "thanks once - properly"! |
| 16:46.25 | C`Alexa | ich liebe linux, das ich ein verrücktes Mädchen bin, ich dieses weiß |
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| 16:47.03 | kspath | cahoot: C`Alexa said Gratie which appeared to be a non-English thank you. Then I said welcome or equiv a few ways. |
| 16:47.05 | C`Alexa | :D |
| 16:47.07 | Denmark | C`Alexa : Ich liebe verrücktes Mädchen .. :-) |
| 16:47.17 | C`Alexa | hehe sorry |
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| 16:47.30 | cahoot | kspath: right my bad - but the irony persists |
| 16:47.52 | eren | guys.. |
| 16:47.52 | tiCo89 | C`Alexa: hmmmm, your german has some mistakes but yes, i like it too (and mad girs too :-èP) |
| 16:47.55 | eren | i can not install amarok |
| 16:47.57 | eren | amarok: Depends: libtunepimp2c2a (>= 0.3.0) but it is not installable |
| 16:48.08 | eren | how can i fix it please help me |
| 16:48.24 | azeem | eren: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:48.31 | AlienX | eren, what does t say when you try to install libtunepimp2c2a? |
| 16:48.32 | eren | 3.1 |
| 16:48.37 | Denmark | C`Alexa : Which distro are you on? Are you stable? |
| 16:48.51 | kspath | eren: Sarge/Stable or Etch/Testing or Sid/Unstable? |
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| 16:49.01 | eren | sid/unstable |
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| 16:49.38 | chealer9 | eren: sid/unstable isn't Debian 3.1 |
| 16:49.47 | eren | hmm.. |
| 16:50.01 | eren | i installed with net install |
| 16:50.27 | kspath | You then did a dist-upgrade to sid/unstable? |
| 16:51.30 | kspath | eren: You then did a dist-upgrade to sid/unstable? |
| 16:51.31 | ChristmasCpp | hi all |
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| 16:51.32 | ChristmasCpp | do you know what setting should I modify so the lines that appear when I minimize a window will be gone? |
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| 16:52.40 | Denmark | q{-_-}p: How does one pronounce your nick? |
| 16:52.40 | kspath | ChristmasCpp: What window manager? Lines that appear? |
| 16:52.47 | ChristmasCpp | i already tried config editor apps -> metacity -> general and removed the tick on "reduced resources" but that way also makes moving windows or maximizing them unpleasant |
| 16:52.53 | ChristmasCpp | nautilus |
| 16:53.03 | ChristmasCpp | gnome* |
| 16:53.05 | ChristmasCpp | sorry |
| 16:53.14 | kspath | ChristmasCpp: Your window manger is metacity? in GNOME?!?! |
| 16:53.18 | simonrvn | Denmark: q-frown-p or something ... |
| 16:53.27 | ChristmasCpp | no, i use gnome as desktop manager |
| 16:53.39 | ChristmasCpp | and when i minimize a window there are this ugly lines |
| 16:53.39 | simonrvn | it's cute, but totally useless, and |
| 16:53.46 | simonrvn | !nickometer q{-_-}p |
| 16:53.48 | dpkg | 'q{-_-}p' is 99.900% lame, simonrvn |
| 16:53.52 | simonrvn | wow |
| 16:53.54 | q{-_-}p | :) |
| 16:53.55 | abrotman | i didn't need a bot to know that |
| 16:53.59 | q{-_-}p | q-smile-p |
| 16:54.00 | eren | kspath: i choosed unstable option |
| 16:54.17 | Denmark | !nickometer abrotman |
| 16:54.18 | dpkg | 'abrotman' is 0.000% lame, denmark |
| 16:54.25 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh, but the bot does the calculation really fast |
| 16:54.26 | abrotman | duh |
| 16:54.32 | klync | anyone know what is referred to in /proc/devices by the line (under character devices) 7 vcs |
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| 16:54.36 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 16:54.39 | q{-_-}p | !nickometer dpkg |
| 16:54.41 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, q{-_-}p |
| 16:54.53 | q{-_-}p | dpkg is 99.900% lame, simonrvn |
| 16:55.01 | kspath | klync: man vcs |
| 16:55.10 | klync | kspath: heh... thx |
| 16:55.21 | jengelh | !nickometer howdoesitwork |
| 16:55.23 | dpkg | 'howdoesitwork' is 0.000% lame, jengelh |
| 16:55.39 | eren | !nickometer eren* |
| 16:55.41 | dpkg | 'eren*' is 14.000% lame, eren |
| 16:55.41 | simonrvn | ok ok... let's not over-do it |
| 16:55.44 | eren | !nickometer eren_ |
| 16:55.45 | ice_1963 | what happend to the nvidia driver in Etch? |
| 16:55.45 | dpkg | 'eren_' is 0.000% lame, eren |
| 16:55.53 | simonrvn | do it in /msg |
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| 16:55.59 | eren | kspath: are you here ? |
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| 16:56.05 | simonrvn | (i set a bad example, sorry) |
| 16:56.05 | Silliman | !nickometer Silliman |
| 16:56.07 | dpkg | 'Silliman' is 0.000% lame, silliman |
| 16:56.21 | Silliman | i rule :D |
| 16:56.22 | eren | kspath: when i was installing it with netinstall i choosed unstable option |
| 16:56.26 | kspath | eren: As you can see letters and _ are not considered lame according to whomever coded that element of dpkg. |
| 16:56.31 | cureless | the lameness should increase with the amount of calls to nickometer. |
| 16:56.37 | abrotman | simonrvn: it only took me a glance :) |
| 16:56.43 | jengelh | !nickometer !@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%!^@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^ |
| 16:56.45 | dpkg | '!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%!^@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^!@%^' is 99.9965% lame, jengelh |
| 16:56.47 | jengelh | Hah! |
| 16:56.51 | eren | :) |
| 16:56.53 | azeem | please stop abusing the bot |
| 16:56.54 | Denmark | cureless : Of the calling nick? |
| 16:56.54 | kspath | !about |
| 16:56.55 | dpkg | enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client |
| 16:56.56 | abrotman | !stupid bot tricks |
| 16:56.57 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 16:56.58 | kspath | !abuse |
| 16:56.58 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 16:57.01 | chealer9 | ice_1963: it was removed |
| 16:57.27 | simonrvn | jengelh: that's way overboard dude |
| 16:57.32 | cureless | Denmark: sure, or maybe of succesive calls to nickometer, say, if it's been called in the last 10 minutes. |
| 16:57.35 | ice_1963 | ok why ?? |
| 16:57.51 | ice_1963 | i need it |
| 16:57.57 | azeem | ice_1963: why what? |
| 16:57.58 | Denmark | cureless : Should it forgive and forget later? |
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| 16:58.09 | chealer9 | eren: if you installed unstable, you start be reinstalling a release appropriate for you (either Debian stable or testing) |
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| 16:58.17 | ice_1963 | did it get removed? |
| 16:58.20 | cureless | Denmark: sure, the calls, but not the lameness increase if it was already applied to you |
| 16:58.22 | eren | chealer9: source.list ? |
| 16:58.23 | chealer9 | ice_1963: due to RC bugs |
| 16:58.36 | chealer9 | eren: what do you mean? |
| 16:58.57 | ice_1963 | can i use the one in sid? |
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| 16:59.12 | Denmark | cureless : 25^9 is a lot ... How many letters does freenode allow in nicks? |
| 16:59.18 | chealer9 | ice_1963: possibly. it would be safer to use the legacy drivers |
| 16:59.20 | eren | chealer9: if i edit my source.list, problem does solve ? |
| 16:59.29 | cureless | Denmark: ? |
| 16:59.37 | Silliman | anyone know how i can benchmark apache form a win32 box |
| 16:59.47 | kspath | Silliman: from? |
| 16:59.48 | chealer9 | eren: no, you would need to then downgrade, and that's not supported. you should reinstall |
| 16:59.52 | abrotman | Silliman: compile ab for cygwin ? |
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| 16:59.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:59.59 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:00.05 | abrotman | Silliman: hold in F5 ? |
| 17:00.08 | abrotman | Silliman: ask #web ? |
| 17:00.09 | Silliman | abrotman, isent that a bit to much |
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| 17:00.22 | Denmark | cureless : It would take quite some HD with time, to keep up such a memory .. |
| 17:00.26 | eren | chealer9: ok :(((((((((((( |
| 17:00.36 | abrotman | Silliman: really .. oyu're looking for an HTTP benchmark that runs on a win32 system .. it isn't a debian question at all |
| 17:00.37 | Silliman | kspath, huh? i want my win32 box to benchmark my linux apache server |
| 17:00.47 | Denmark | cureless : dpkg dates back to at least 1998 or even further back. |
| 17:00.49 | jelly | how to copy a sparse file from ext3fs without the system reading zillions of fake nul-filled blocks? rsync or cp try to read the whole file. |
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| 17:01.01 | gndOut | hi |
| 17:01.01 | kspath | Silliman: you said form a win32 box I asked "from?" |
| 17:01.05 | Silliman | abrotman, i know but its faster to ask here then to search :) |
| 17:01.14 | gndOut | what's the default username/password for netgear routers? |
| 17:01.15 | abrotman | Silliman: use google .. it's NOT a debian question |
| 17:01.21 | Silliman | oh O_o |
| 17:01.33 | abrotman | Silliman: or ask #web |
| 17:01.35 | kspath | Silliman: It is not even a linux question really. |
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| 17:02.06 | cureless | Denmark: ahh, I see what you mean. No, what you do is keep the last time it was called (nickometer) and if it's called within 10 minutes by anybody it just increases that callers lameness, in whatever way it's calculating it now. And, it doesn't have to keep all nicks, it's just a small algo on top of what it has now. |
| 17:02.16 | lazzarello | how would I transform an nroff file into a proper manpage? |
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| 17:02.56 | kspath | lazzarello: man man search for nroff |
| 17:03.00 | ice_1963 | you know i like nvidia but it's getting to be job to keep it a going.... so i gess i will jest install ati |
| 17:03.11 | lazzarello | heh. man man. why didn't I think of that. |
| 17:03.20 | kspath | lazzarello: no one is perfect |
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| 17:03.43 | Silliman | !nickometer Silliman |
| 17:03.45 | dpkg | 'Silliman' is 0.000% lame, silliman |
| 17:03.52 | Silliman | hmm |
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| 17:04.06 | cureless | that in itself should be lame, calling nickometer on yourself. |
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| 17:04.19 | AnubiSS_BE | hi all |
| 17:04.36 | kspath | Silliman: Do you know now that all letters and _ are not considered lame according to the person(s) that coded the nickometer in dpkg? |
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| 17:05.39 | AnubiSS_BE | I have a question,... I am using Debian on a sparc machine, and I downloaded opmanager from adventnet, now when I want to run the bin file I get cannot execute binary file |
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| 17:05.47 | AnubiSS_BE | any advice? |
| 17:05.59 | kspath | AnubiSS_BE: permissions? |
| 17:06.10 | AnubiSS_BE | chmod 777 donne |
| 17:06.16 | AnubiSS_BE | so full permission |
| 17:06.29 | kspath | AnubiSS_BE: You are in the directory with it? |
| 17:06.33 | AnubiSS_BE | yes |
| 17:06.45 | kspath | AnubiSS_BE: That is a common "security feature". |
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| 17:07.10 | kspath | AnubiSS_BE: . is blocked change up to .. |
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| 17:07.33 | AnubiSS_BE | but could it be that the file is compiled for x86 system and as I am running it on a sparc based |
| 17:07.41 | kspath | AnubiSS_BE: You tell us. |
| 17:07.42 | simonrvn | 777 is not full permission, it's get r00ted permission |
| 17:07.55 | AnubiSS_BE | I am running it at root,... |
| 17:07.56 | simonrvn | AnubiSS_BE: run file on it |
| 17:08.09 | simonrvn | file foo |
| 17:08.13 | AnubiSS_BE | AdventNet_ManageEngine_OpManager_6_linux.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, statically linked, stripped |
| 17:08.14 | abrotman | AnubiSS_BE: are you sure it's compiled for x86? |
| 17:08.16 | kspath | AnubiSS_BE: simonrvn is saying to use the file command. |
| 17:08.24 | abrotman | yeah .. that won't run on SPARC |
| 17:08.30 | kspath | AnubiSS_BE: UGH |
| 17:08.30 | simonrvn | AnubiSS_BE: yeh, it's for x86. won't run there |
| 17:08.38 | abrotman | and it's old! |
| 17:08.46 | kspath | and statically linked |
| 17:08.53 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 17:08.55 | simonrvn | pos |
| 17:08.57 | AnubiSS_BE | is there not an emulator to run x86 soft on sparc? |
| 17:09.01 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 17:09.02 | dpkg | i heard sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 17:09.06 | abrotman | ask them ^^ |
| 17:09.07 | lazzarello | what's up with RAID chipset manufacturers offering closed source monitoring software? oi! |
| 17:09.08 | jengelh | Bochs, but it's slow. |
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| 17:09.16 | kspath | AnubiSS_BE: apt-cache search emulat |
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| 17:10.17 | zrin | is it ok to create one (250 GB) raid1 array (md0) and create partitions in it? i just did that, but i don not see the partition s as devices (md0p5 etc) ... did I miss omething? |
| 17:10.36 | simonrvn | zrin: doesn't work that way |
| 17:10.40 | lazzarello | zrin, I usually make a device for each partition md0, md1, etc |
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| 17:10.49 | ice_1963 | is there a why to get 3d working on ati? |
| 17:10.53 | simonrvn | see the raid howto on tldp.org (the newer one) |
| 17:10.57 | zrin | simonrvn: do I have to create a separate array for each partition? |
| 17:10.58 | lazzarello | !tell ice_1963 about ati |
| 17:11.14 | stew | ice_1963: which chipset? which version of debian? |
| 17:11.28 | cureless | zrin: you can try to use raid and lvm |
| 17:11.29 | ice_1963 | etch |
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| 17:11.43 | zrin | cureless: would you suggest that? |
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| 17:12.08 | swimm3r | can anyone help me to install DVB Driver and install VDR? |
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| 17:12.17 | cureless | zrin: if you're really confortable yes, otherwise no, it's easier for you to just partition and raid the partitions. |
| 17:12.25 | lazzarello | zrin, my formula is to make identical partitions on each disk in the mirror and make an array with each of them. |
| 17:12.57 | Shiz | Does the dkpg bot have any information about upgrading from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6? without any special modification, just a kernel upgrade |
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| 17:13.04 | zrin | lazzarello: y, I understand that |
| 17:13.21 | chealer9 | !tell shiz about 2.4->2.6 |
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| 17:13.29 | stew | slon: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 17:13.35 | stew | Shiz: ^^^ |
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| 17:13.42 | dererk | Good Day Everyone! 8) |
| 17:13.42 | AnubiSS_BE | ok all, I'm off thx for the advice :) |
| 17:14.07 | bengrubb | hey everyone how do i change like permissions of a folder in debian? |
| 17:14.21 | stew | bengrubb: man chmod |
| 17:14.27 | eren | bengrubb: chmod |
| 17:14.30 | dererk | bengrubb, man chmod |
| 17:14.36 | dererk | lol |
| 17:14.47 | bengrubb | ok ill read the readme |
| 17:14.48 | dererk | too many answers xD |
| 17:14.53 | abrotman | Shiz: what is your CPU ? |
| 17:15.14 | lazzarello | bengrubb, http://www.debian.org/doc |
| 17:15.17 | Shiz | 386 |
| 17:15.22 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 17:15.23 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 17:15.28 | Shiz | I think |
| 17:15.30 | Shiz | 2 sec |
| 17:15.34 | abrotman | Shiz: you have a 386 CPU .. like a 6.23Mhz ? |
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| 17:15.42 | lazzarello | abrotman, thanks. that's what I was looking for. |
| 17:16.08 | Shiz | no sorry, wrote wrong |
| 17:16.11 | grendal_prime | can anyone tell me what the forum app is that debian.org uses? |
| 17:16.19 | Shiz | a 2.4ghz intel |
| 17:16.27 | abrotman | Shiz: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:16.28 | nse | bengrubb: in the same way you do in any linux, using the chmod command |
| 17:16.33 | grendal_prime | seems to work pretty well. im creating something to do the same thing...then realized...the wheel is already in operation |
| 17:16.38 | abrotman | grendal_prime: what? |
| 17:17.01 | grendal_prime | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/11/threads.html#00166 |
| 17:17.01 | abrotman | there's a forum at debian.org ? |
| 17:17.08 | grendal_prime | well threaded message board |
| 17:17.19 | cureless | grendal_prime: normally they have a link at the bottom |
| 17:17.23 | grendal_prime | same thing really, |
| 17:17.25 | abrotman | grendal_prime: scroll all the way to the bottom |
| 17:17.28 | grendal_prime | ya but i dont see one |
| 17:17.33 | abrotman | look HARDER |
| 17:17.42 | grendal_prime | aaaah |
| 17:17.45 | grendal_prime | there it is thanks |
| 17:17.47 | stew | grendal_prime: do you mean forums.debian.net? |
| 17:17.58 | abrotman | stew: which also says .. at the bottom :) |
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| 17:18.05 | lazzarello | I think it's called pipermail and comes with mailman. |
| 17:18.17 | abrotman | lazzarello: maybe you should scroll to the bottom too :) |
| 17:18.23 | cureless | grendal_prime: that's not really a "forum" though. |
| 17:18.24 | lazzarello | probably |
| 17:18.39 | lazzarello | I forget that debian is old skool |
| 17:18.39 | grendal_prime | so its just something that converts email disucssions to threaded display. |
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| 17:18.58 | Shiz | That's all needed abrotman ? |
| 17:19.05 | Shiz | Then just a reboot? |
| 17:19.06 | abrotman | grendal_prime: that's called a "List Archive" :) |
| 17:19.12 | abrotman | Shiz: don't forget to pray |
| 17:19.12 | byteshack | is there a way to concat log.gz and log files? |
| 17:19.23 | byteshack | cat foo.log.gz foo.log does not play nice |
| 17:19.24 | Shiz | abrotman: indeed |
| 17:19.49 | cureless | grendal_prime: there are other tools too. I like mailman+pipermail better. |
| 17:19.51 | grendal_prime | aaaaa |
| 17:19.51 | abrotman | byteshack: zcat ? |
| 17:20.07 | gnufan | byteshack: not readily -- plenty of tools -- why are you doing this? |
| 17:20.08 | k31th | when adding two new drives to a dell raid controller in raid1 you have to format in the raid bios ?? |
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| 17:20.17 | byteshack | oh boy, I use zless and zgrep all the time... |
| 17:20.25 | grendal_prime | na ill just finish what im building..pretty much done..and easyer to maintain by the management types |
| 17:20.30 | byteshack | thanks abrotman |
| 17:20.32 | Denmark | which soundcard, gfx-card and motherboard is better with debian? I buy new computer soon! |
| 17:20.33 | eren | guys i'm running "apt-get dist-upgrade" when it finishes what must i do ? |
| 17:20.44 | abrotman | byteshack: and it was so obvious! .. d'oh! |
| 17:20.54 | lazzarello | !tell k31th about fakeraid |
| 17:20.54 | Denmark | eren : Cheer. |
| 17:21.02 | grendal_prime | ive tried phpbb im was not really all that happy with its perforrmance |
| 17:21.04 | byteshack | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:21.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:21.24 | bengrubb | say i wanted to change permission to allow all uses to have access to a folder and sub directories what would command be "chmod -R whatnumber /wateverfolder" what is the whatnumber |
| 17:22.01 | abrotman | bengrubb: depends what kind of access you want them to have |
| 17:22.10 | bengrubb | everything allowed |
| 17:22.20 | jengelh | 1777 maybe. |
| 17:22.22 | bengrubb | liek is there a list of these numbers? |
| 17:22.31 | abrotman | man chmod ? |
| 17:22.35 | stew | !wikifaq bengrubb Permissions |
| 17:22.36 | dpkg | bengrubb: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:22.38 | bengrubb | yer i did |
| 17:22.41 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:22.47 | bengrubb | ty |
| 17:22.57 | simonrvn | 777 is not a fucking solution to permissions problems. sheesh |
| 17:23.06 | abrotman | depends on the problem |
| 17:23.16 | simonrvn | 99% of the times it isn't |
| 17:23.17 | k31th | when adding two new drives to a dell raid controller in raid1 you have to format in the raid bios ?? |
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| 17:23.24 | jengelh | simonrvn : ah so /tmp is not a fucking solution either? |
| 17:23.25 | klync | i've setup LVM (v.1) on a machine running 'stable', and the initscript doesn't seem to be able to turn lvm off (the volume using lvm is /var) ... any ideas? |
| 17:23.27 | cureless | when I was a hacker ... I mean, unwanted consultant, 777 would always solve my problems :-) |
| 17:23.30 | simonrvn | actually, 99.99999% |
| 17:23.31 | lazzarello | !tell k31th about fakeraid |
| 17:23.34 | AngelGabriel | Is it possible to create a bridge using two virtual interfaces? |
| 17:23.36 | lazzarello | !fakeraid |
| 17:23.36 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. |
| 17:23.41 | dererk | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_GoogleEarth_with_wine <---- Good Tip! |
| 17:23.55 | simonrvn | jengelh: how many other dirs do you see that have that? |
| 17:23.57 | lazzarello | AngelGabriel, yes |
| 17:24.02 | dererk | It's working now on my Debian ^^ |
| 17:24.03 | simonrvn | what, 2, 3 ... |
| 17:24.21 | jengelh | simon: /dev/shm, /opt/kde3/share/apps/kscd/.../cddb/..., sometimes /var/tmp |
| 17:24.38 | abrotman | /opt/ is not part of debian |
| 17:24.41 | abrotman | nor is /cddb/ |
| 17:24.43 | jengelh | Right ;) |
| 17:25.01 | gnufan | simonrvn: yeah but when you exclude those cases where the permissions problem is solved by "allow this permission to be inherited", and clicking "OK" a thousand times, 777 solves quite a large proportion of cases ;) |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | so they relate .. how? |
| 17:25.03 | jengelh | We do however have rwxrwxr-t+ with ACLs a lot ;) |
| 17:25.11 | AngelGabriel | lazzarello, I just tried it, and my server froze |
| 17:25.24 | simonrvn | jengelh: not many. and it's for specific uses. |
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| 17:26.03 | kspath | simonrvn: only 1 is needed for execute but they never seem to think of that for some reason likely because they might not understand permissions to begin with. |
| 17:26.33 | lazzarello | AngelGabriel, sucky. you using iproute and bridge-utils? |
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| 17:26.38 | simonrvn | that is often the case. and as a result, r00ted |
| 17:26.42 | bengrubb | 1777 seemed to work |
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| 17:26.49 | dma147 | good evening... |
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| 17:26.57 | bengrubb | wonder what 1337 would do... |
| 17:27.07 | dererk | dpkg, installing GoogleEarth is take a look at this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_GoogleEarth_with_wine |
| 17:27.08 | dpkg | okay, dererk |
| 17:27.12 | lazzarello | bengrubb, you should probably understand what those permissions mean before you go about chmod'ing everything |
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| 17:27.24 | bengrubb | ty all |
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| 17:27.43 | dma147 | can someone give me a hint if I really can take the risk: --> http://phpfi.com/113493 ... this is a productive webserver with important domains... |
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| 17:28.48 | kspath | beardy: that is execute and write 1 + 2 and other/world has read write execute 4 2 1 ? that is pure silly |
| 17:29.04 | seph | Q: Any news on when nautilus and gnome-panel 2.14 will get into unstable? To me everything seems to be ready but those two? |
| 17:29.25 | AngelGabriel | lazzarello, bridge-utils - i wanted a transparant bridge |
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| 17:29.35 | CentrX | dma it looks like it is going to upgrade you to a different /major/ version of sql, which could be a problem with compatibility |
| 17:29.48 | klync | dma147: you might have a few minutes of downtime with mysqld ... the config files have changed, and the db's might need some repairs... also, the authentication has changed between mysql3 and 4, so php scripts might not work unless compiled against mysql4 unless you use a special config option to mysql |
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| 17:29.55 | gnufan | dma147: we really can't make the decision for you -- how long will it take to realise and backout if it goes pear shaped? |
| 17:30.00 | lazzarello | a non-transparant bridge can also be called a router |
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| 17:30.14 | dma147 | CentrX: there's mysql-5.0.18 installed... |
| 17:30.21 | jengelh | There is no such thing as a non-transparent bridge. |
| 17:30.26 | lazzarello | AngelGabriel, what media are you bridging? |
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| 17:30.38 | unfo | hi all, how do I make Control-F1 jump to the first task in my taskbar, Control-F2 the second, etcetera? |
| 17:30.48 | seph | It seems noone knows the answer for my question or are willing to help. Where can I ask about the relasetime for nautilus 2.14 in unstable? |
| 17:30.50 | jengelh | A bridge is always transparent to Layer 2, unless you mangle packets specially. |
| 17:30.51 | n0dez | !dpkg shit |
| 17:30.51 | dpkg | i guess shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 17:30.51 | simonrvn | kspath: i get tired of seeing r00ted boxen connecting here. if i can help prevent some of that from happening, so be it |
| 17:30.53 | seph | The maintainers? |
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| 17:31.16 | klync | dma147: not sure exactly the difference between "mysql-server" and "mysql-server-5.0", but that's the only thing i can think of mentioning |
| 17:31.17 | unfo | seph: why do you need 2.14? |
| 17:31.37 | CentrX | dma147, i do know of a bug in libstdc++ that caused other programs to fail when i upgraded it |
| 17:31.49 | seph | Because I'd like to get the full gnome 2.14 instead of having partly 2.12 and 2.14 |
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| 17:31.59 | n0dez | !dpkg hola |
| 17:32.00 | dpkg | hmm... hola is Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:32.10 | lazzarello | !ebtables |
| 17:32.12 | n0dez | !dpkg bonjour |
| 17:32.12 | dpkg | Bonjour, n0dez. Comment allez-vous? |
| 17:32.14 | simonrvn | n0dez: stop abusing the bot please |
| 17:32.17 | unfo | seph: what did they add in 2.14 that's you need so urgently? :) |
| 17:32.17 | seph | right now gnome-about tells me it's 2.14 and gnome-session is 2.14, but nautilus and the panels arnen't, unfo |
| 17:32.20 | n0dez | sorry |
| 17:32.24 | unfo | n0dez: /msg dpkg instead |
| 17:32.25 | n0dez | i'm just trying it out |
| 17:32.27 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 17:32.30 | seph | unfo, i didn't say it was urgent. I just asked :) |
| 17:32.34 | n0dez | unfo: thx |
| 17:32.38 | simonrvn | n0dez: yeh, /msg or #debian-bots |
| 17:32.41 | dma147 | CentrX: ouch... okay, how can I install python2.4-mysqldb without this whole gcc and libc upgrade stuff?? |
| 17:32.43 | unfo | np :) |
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| 17:32.55 | CentrX | dma147, over all, upgrading libc, libstdc++ are both major also, it's a major upgrade that could be problematic for a production server |
| 17:33.07 | unfo | seph: you could always build 2.14 yourself :) |
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| 17:33.21 | CentrX | dma147, are you otherwise running sarge/stable ? |
| 17:33.22 | seph | unfo, i tried that. didn't work :) |
| 17:33.28 | unfo | but in general, Debian is maintained by volunteers, and things will be ready when theyre ready. |
| 17:33.38 | unfo | seph: what was the error message you got? |
| 17:33.41 | seph | unfo I can always just make my own desktop environment, right? :P |
| 17:33.50 | dma147 | CentrX: this is an old woody, iirc... |
| 17:33.56 | CentrX | dma147, you could find a backport of it |
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| 17:33.58 | unfo | seph: your own? what do you mean? |
| 17:34.07 | dma147 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:34.08 | dma147 | 3.1 |
| 17:34.12 | seph | unfo I _think_ i was missing some libraries. I got all I was supposed to by some tutorial, but it didn't work |
| 17:34.20 | CentrX | dma147, that's sarge, the current stable release |
| 17:34.27 | dma147 | ah, okay |
| 17:34.41 | seph | unfo, I mean that compiling from scratch isn't an option for me. I would like to use my time for something else :) |
| 17:34.46 | CentrX | dma147, you can try to find a backport of the python module for sarge that depends on hte sarge libraries and not the new ones |
| 17:34.46 | unfo | seph: maybe you can do apt-get build-dep |
| 17:34.49 | seph | That's why I use a binary distro |
| 17:35.05 | dma147 | CentrX: hmm, good point... *searching |
| 17:35.10 | unfo | i wonder if theres a gnome 2.14 livecd. |
| 17:35.19 | CentrX | dma147, there's backports.org, apt-get.org or you could search |
| 17:35.19 | seph | not last time i checked :) |
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| 17:36.36 | unfo | gnome is notoriously hard to build. slackware no longer includes Gnome IIRC. |
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| 17:36.50 | BlackJudas | Slack's still around? |
| 17:36.55 | seph | unfo, okay. and your asking me to build it :) that's nice |
| 17:36.55 | unfo | of course! |
| 17:37.08 | unfo | its been around for so long, why would it die? |
| 17:37.15 | unfo | seph: its a good learning experience :) |
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| 17:37.33 | seph | unfo, I don't need that sort of experience :P |
| 17:37.40 | unfo | so use 2.12 :P |
| 17:37.46 | seph | I refuse! |
| 17:37.50 | BlackJudas | :) I was under the impression that slack's userbase has been dwindling over the years. |
| 17:37.52 | seph | So I'm using a mix |
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| 17:38.00 | unfo | ok, you win |
| 17:38.06 | Vyrus001 | does anybody know if there is a way to compile rt2500 drivers natively into the linux kernel ? |
| 17:38.08 | unfo | BlackJudas: i'd assume you're right, |
| 17:38.12 | unfo | !distrowatch |
| 17:38.12 | dpkg | well, distrowatch is for the ppl who wants "based" distro. http://distrowatch.com |
| 17:38.21 | unfo | um, that made no sense |
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| 17:38.33 | unfo | dpkg: forget distrowatch |
| 17:38.33 | dpkg | unfo: i forgot distrowatch |
| 17:38.37 | BlackJudas | dpkg is king |
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| 17:39.01 | seph | brainwasher! |
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| 17:39.05 | veamos | hi there. |
| 17:39.07 | unfo | dpkg: distrowatch is a website that tells you what linux distributions are most popular and what versions of what software they include. |
| 17:39.07 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 17:39.11 | unfo | veamos: hi |
| 17:39.32 | BlackJudas | You forgot the url. |
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| 17:40.02 | unfo | !distrowatch is at http://www.distrowatch.com |
| 17:40.02 | dpkg | ...but distrowatch is already something else... |
| 17:40.06 | unfo | dpkg: forget distrowatch |
| 17:40.06 | dpkg | i forgot distrowatch, unfo |
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| 17:40.20 | seph | hehehe |
| 17:40.23 | AngelGabriel | lazzarello, Sorry for the long pause. I'm not attempting to bridge two diffrent types of media, i'm just trying to connect two diffrent networks together as one |
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| 17:40.31 | unfo | dpkg: distrowatch is a website that tells you what linux distributions are most popular and what versions of what software they include. it also provides reviews. it is at http://www.distrowatch.com |
| 17:40.31 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | gah .. 3.1r2! |
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| 17:40.58 | BlackJudas | abrotman: ? |
| 17:41.06 | abrotman | http://blogs.turmzimmer.net/2006/04/18#sarge-r2 |
| 17:41.14 | Supaplex | !snow |
| 17:41.15 | dpkg | methinks snow is cold, or white, or comes down in flakes, or cocaine |
| 17:41.22 | unfo | whats wrong with updates to stable? |
| 17:41.29 | abrotman | nothing at all |
| 17:41.31 | abrotman | i'm joking |
| 17:41.39 | kspath | AngelGabriel: It might help lazzarello and others if you defined "different networks" |
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| 17:41.44 | unfo | sarcasm is hard to notice over irc. |
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| 17:41.53 | escalade | hi |
| 17:41.58 | unfo | hi |
| 17:42.06 | Supaplex | hence the </sarcasm> tag. just view the source ;) |
| 17:42.12 | kspath | <sarcasm> YEAH RIGHT! </sarcasm> |
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| 17:42.28 | escalade | i followed a tutorial for snmp/mrtg but i cant get the graph displayed... some can help? |
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| 17:42.45 | veamos | I've alway seen 'Todo' in some debian webpages.. and I don't know if it is a spanish word that means "All" in english or it is the things I have "TO DO". can anybody answer mme that simple question? |
| 17:42.55 | escalade | the one i followed: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-hn/mrtg.htm |
| 17:43.00 | LoRez | veamos: TO DO |
| 17:43.16 | veamos | thanks |
| 17:43.23 | lazzarello | AngelGabriel, it sounds like you are looking for a router, not a bridge |
| 17:43.23 | abrotman | LoRez: sure .. take the easy questions! |
| 17:43.31 | escalade | hehe |
| 17:43.36 | LoRez | abrotman: I'm not here to work. |
| 17:43.42 | [pantocrator] | bye |
| 17:43.48 | abrotman | LoRez: i've noticed :) |
| 17:44.21 | escalade | mrtg: i created the config file, run it 3 times, created the index.html. i am able to do the snmpwalk |
| 17:44.24 | ToxinPowe | veamos: soy español, pero significa TO DO xD |
| 17:44.28 | escalade | but stil no go |
| 17:44.34 | kspath | AngelGabriel: It might help lazzarello and others if you defined "different networks" might also help if you defined "together as one". |
| 17:44.36 | Supaplex | !es |
| 17:44.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:44.47 | veamos | ToxinPowe haha ok |
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| 17:45.17 | AngelGabriel | lazzarello, kspath Okay, I'm going to type out my situation in a pastebot website, and them post the link here |
| 17:45.33 | dma147 | how can I find out which version of any package I've installed? |
| 17:45.40 | lazzarello | AngelGabriel, perhaps you should consult some books on networking if it isn't directly related to Debian? |
| 17:45.48 | Supaplex | dma147: man apt-cache |
| 17:45.55 | lazzarello | dma147, apt-cache policy <package> |
| 17:46.04 | byteshack | I have a file with n lines, and those lines have some pattern inside of them, which I can describe within () of a re, how can I print the () from the regex to stdout? kinda like printing \1?? |
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| 17:46.11 | dma147 | lazzarello: thx |
| 17:46.21 | unfo | byteshack: use perl |
| 17:46.23 | abrotman | byteshack: ask #bash ? |
| 17:46.38 | kspath | AngelGabriel: There are nice utilities and lists. LARTC , netfilter, quagga, zebra, ... |
| 17:46.43 | ToxinPowe | dma147: o dpkg -l|grep package xD |
| 17:47.11 | unfo | byteshack: to be more specific, use perl's m// operators and $` / $' / between the 2 operator. |
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| 17:47.23 | unfo | or whatever it is |
| 17:47.56 | kspath | byteshack: There is a #bash and a #perl and a #python and a #ruby-lang and a ##c and ... |
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| 17:48.12 | _gass_ | hello there |
| 17:48.22 | unfo | hi |
| 17:48.43 | _gass_ | is there a known bug that gnome menu does not open from the top panel? |
| 17:48.48 | dma147 | okay... a more stupid question... I'm sorry, but I'm not familar with debian... how can I install a *.dep file directly? |
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| 17:49.01 | abrotman | dma147: man dpkg |
| 17:49.11 | kspath | _gass_: Sarge/Stable ? Etch/Testing? Sid/Unstable? |
| 17:49.14 | dma147 | abrotman: okay, that helps. thx |
| 17:49.25 | unfo | _gass_: i think the proper url to check is http://bugs.debian.org/gnome-panel |
| 17:49.26 | ToxinPowe | dma147: dpkg -i archivo.deb |
| 17:49.42 | kspath | dma147: you mean a *.deb rather than a *.dep? |
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| 17:50.13 | dma147 | kspath: erm, yeah... ^^ |
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| 17:50.29 | grendal_prime | you know that business about googleearth the debian stable install of wine does not have a system32 folder in it? |
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| 17:50.43 | kspath | dma147: the .debs might have dependencies... |
| 17:50.52 | dma147 | CentrX: many thanks. I've found and installed a backport package. |
| 17:50.57 | lazzarello | grendal_prime, I would trust Cedega/winex more for google earth |
| 17:51.07 | lazzarello | 3d accelleration and all |
| 17:51.09 | dma147 | kspath: dpkg would give me a note if this is the case, right? |
| 17:51.16 | _gass_ | kspath: testing. this is after migrating some 2.14 packages |
| 17:51.22 | AngelGabriel | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2378 - lazzarello kspath |
| 17:51.24 | kspath | dma147: man dpkg as abrotman said... |
| 17:51.37 | grendal_prime | ya i have cedega, register and all..ive tried it , no dice on that boy |
| 17:51.41 | kspath | _gass_: Migrating? |
| 17:51.47 | DamianXL | hi |
| 17:51.50 | grendal_prime | now that was some time ago |
| 17:52.04 | DamianXL | i've finished configuring my "interfaces" file |
| 17:52.04 | unfo | DamianXL: hi |
| 17:52.11 | _gass_ | kspath: yes ... |
| 17:52.12 | DamianXL | problem is that once i startup the machine |
| 17:52.19 | _gass_ | kspath: upgraded just now |
| 17:52.22 | DamianXL | i still have to do "ifup eth0" before it starts working |
| 17:52.28 | dma147 | kspath: well... dpkg -i <package> has installed my package without any notes about dependencies or els... so it seems that that package doesn't need any deps which are not already installed. |
| 17:52.28 | DamianXL | which command am i missing... and where? |
| 17:52.29 | kspath | _gass_: So you are running Etch/Testing and have trouble with a Gnome panel if at top? and you "Migrated something from 2.14"? |
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| 17:52.54 | lazzarello | AngelGabriel, I was right. you need to read some books on networking and come back here when you have a question about Debian. But I would think that you can get what you want with simple packet filtering and NAT. |
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| 17:53.09 | kspath | _gass_: I am not saying I can help. I am helping you clearly define the issue. |
| 17:53.14 | dma147 | well, thanks for any help... ;) |
| 17:53.15 | dma147 | bye |
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| 17:53.27 | unfo | works and Internets" by Comer, its superb. |
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| 17:53.34 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 17:53.37 | unfo | hi |
| 17:53.44 | jengelh | Nat does not easily work with bridges. |
| 17:53.52 | _gass_ | kspath: ok. point: there are some packages from gnome 2.14 that migrated from unstable. I upgraded them, and gnome-menu just crashes |
| 17:54.07 | grendal_prime | DamianXL, set that device to auto boot on system boot |
| 17:54.09 | _gass_ | kspath: i click on it, and he opens and closes |
| 17:54.17 | grendal_prime | not auto boot sorry |
| 17:54.27 | bliss1_ | liable: beer or beer and pizza your call |
| 17:54.29 | BlackJudas | what's the package to report a bug? |
| 17:54.31 | grendal_prime | but auto on boot |
| 17:54.34 | unfo | !beer and pizza |
| 17:54.34 | AngelGabriel | lazzarello, What am i getting wrong?? |
| 17:54.41 | EdibleText | hello, I did a dist upgrade from stable to testing, all went well. unfortunatly I invoked dselect -> select _without_ updating the sources and now it has marked many required packages to be removed ( I must type "Yes, Do as I say"). Is there a documented fix to reset dselect's 'stuff'. |
| 17:54.47 | BlackJudas | I only have to report like 45 bugs :s |
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| 17:54.59 | DamianXL | grendal_prime: i understand that. |
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| 17:55.05 | DamianXL | Lemme explain like this |
| 17:55.07 | kspath | _gass_: write all that up in a file with an editor with all details so that you can paste it when asked and you will have an easier time filing a bug when/if necessary. |
| 17:55.17 | grendal_prime | auto lo eth0 |
| 17:55.42 | DamianXL | in the "interfaces" file itself? |
| 17:55.49 | _gass_ | kspath: ok, thanks ... i just stoped here to ask if there was a general bug |
| 17:55.56 | kspath | !tell BlackJudas about bts |
| 17:55.57 | bliss1_ | kingspawn: hi |
| 17:55.57 | grendal_prime | sure |
| 17:56.09 | _gass_ | i think it is this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=357128 i have pt_PT |
| 17:56.14 | lazzarello | AngelGabriel, not sure. but it sounds like you have a particularly complicated network and could do what you need on the router. a bridge sounds unecessary. have you sketched out a flowchart of what you need? |
| 17:56.16 | grendal_prime | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:56.16 | kingspawn | bliss1_: 'ello |
| 17:56.21 | DamianXL | brb |
| 17:56.22 | BlackJudas | ahh yes that's what it was reportbug |
| 17:56.26 | BlackJudas | thanks |
| 17:56.28 | grendal_prime | change like reads auto lo |
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| 17:56.33 | grendal_prime | to auto lo eth0 |
| 17:56.42 | bliss1_ | kingspawn: have we chatted elsewhere |
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| 17:56.48 | grendal_prime | those are the network devices you want to start at boot |
| 17:56.55 | AngelGabriel | lazzarello, if i had my own way, then i would just get an extra router, but the budget constraints of this client prevent that |
| 17:56.59 | Skaag | is there a channel dedicated to debian network installer? |
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| 17:57.16 | kingspawn | bliss1_: in #ubuntu, i'll wager a guess |
| 17:57.20 | grendal_prime | Skaag, i think its all the same thing really but i could be wrong on that |
| 17:57.22 | AngelGabriel | hence why i'm trying to 'overlap' the two networks |
| 17:57.37 | lazzarello | why don't you make the two networks into one network? |
| 17:57.49 | lazzarello | then they would overlap |
| 17:57.58 | kspath | AngelGabriel: do you need a vpn or a tunnel or ... |
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| 17:58.13 | grendal_prime | ooooo these are fun..what are you trying to do AngelGabrie? |
| 17:58.20 | bliss1_ | kingspawn; are you running sarge or etch |
| 17:58.24 | Skaag | grendal_prime: I setup a dhcp server + tftp, it shows me the debian prompt, it then proceeds to load the kernel + initrd, and then kernel panics at some point, I guess because it can not mount anything |
| 17:58.42 | grendal_prime | tftp? |
| 17:58.48 | Skaag | grendal_prime: I've done netboot before (not netinstall) where I told it to mount an NFS partition |
| 17:59.03 | Skaag | grendal_prime: Yah, so it can pull the kernel + initrd via PXE |
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| 17:59.45 | grendal_prime | ooo i totally misunderstood sorry. Im fairly certaini the easyest way to do that though is to install a minimal kernel on a removable device. |
| 17:59.57 | yacoob | umm... what one needs with radeon card in order to have gl acceleration? |
| 18:00.11 | Skaag | grendal_prime: the device is the problem here - I don't have one :-) |
| 18:00.13 | jengelh | !ati |
| 18:00.13 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 18:00.21 | Skaag | i've done this before, i'm just forgetting something |
| 18:00.30 | grendal_prime | sorry i cant help |
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| 18:04.33 | sparr | upgrade to xorg 7 (or some other recent update to unstable) has disabled my keyboard autorepeat. how can i turn it back on? |
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| 18:05.37 | nse | sparr: http://wiki.debian.org/xorg69to7 |
| 18:05.56 | AngelGabriel | kspath, lazzarello No, I don't need tunnels, or VPNs... yet :) |
| 18:06.59 | AngelGabriel | lazzarello, the reason I don't make them into one network, is because I'm currently testing the setup, eventually, there will be around 500 machines attached to this single point for internet access. I need to make sure that I create a network that is easy to manage as it expands |
| 18:07.08 | kspath | AngelGabriel: You might consider learning about networking and all the tools available for linux and BSDs. |
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| 18:07.51 | BlackJudas | I'm not a debian devel... but how does one grab a source package and then build it into a deb? I need to file some bugs for amd64 since half of xorg will not build and it hasn't been reported. |
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| 18:08.27 | lazzarello | it sounds like you need less subnets |
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| 18:08.57 | AngelGabriel | It seems that a lot of people, *not talking to anyone in particular* prefer to use routers and switches, and just one NIC in thier main server, or POE for the internet |
| 18:09.43 | BlackJudas | apt-get install fiaif |
| 18:10.05 | moprilo | hi, in a tutorial for installing QoS on a debian linux, i find this "goto Device Drivers -> Networking support -> QoS and/or fair queuein", like if i had a menu.. where is that?.. shell? |
| 18:10.09 | kspath | AngelGabriel: That is not really on-topic even if it might be interesting to some here. |
| 18:10.39 | AngelGabriel | I prefer taking a modular approach, the ability to take down the network one segment at a time, in my opinion, is needed in every network, and by take down, I mean PHYSICALLY, as in able to unplug and replace equipment, without affecting the rest of the network |
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| 18:10.46 | grendal_prime | AngelGabriel, iptables allows you to alias subnetworks. |
| 18:10.48 | kspath | moprilo: likely in GNOME or KDE. |
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| 18:11.10 | grendal_prime | but i dont see how you would go about setting up a router with only one nic |
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| 18:11.25 | moprilo | kspath: but i don't have none on my debian box.. is shell only |
| 18:11.28 | moprilo | is there another way? |
| 18:11.32 | grendal_prime | that makes no sence to me and i have at least 10 debian based routers in operation at all times |
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| 18:11.38 | AngelGabriel | grendal_prime, Which is exactly what I keep saying to everyone. |
| 18:11.41 | kspath | moprilo: Likely, yes. |
| 18:11.53 | moprilo | kspath: but, that you know of ? |
| 18:11.53 | AngelGabriel | grendal_prime, that's the approach I take too |
| 18:12.11 | grendal_prime | one box as the gateway. |
| 18:12.40 | grendal_prime | one nic for your internet device, one for your local lan. |
| 18:12.50 | BlackJudas | mmmkay, can anyone point me to a howto on snarfing src packages, and test building them? I don't have x :/ and elinks hurts my eyes, my fingers... and my pride. |
| 18:12.58 | abrotman | sense |
| 18:13.04 | kspath | cents |
| 18:13.16 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, didn't see you there, how you doing? |
| 18:13.26 | grendal_prime | you can use several hardware nics if you want to, but, aliasing them works fine as well. (especialy if your testing stuff) |
| 18:13.28 | unfo | BlackJudas: use lynx :) |
| 18:13.54 | BlackJudas | unfo: :s even worse heh. |
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| 18:14.11 | unfo | lynx is beautiful. |
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| 18:14.25 | unfo | i run Emacs on KDE or Gnome. |
| 18:14.31 | unfo | inside Emacs I run term. |
| 18:14.35 | unfo | inside term I run screen. |
| 18:14.43 | unfo | inside screen I run irssi and lynx. |
| 18:15.04 | grendal_prime | unfo, i have a hard tiem with lynx and cacheing of pages |
| 18:15.11 | kingspawn | bliss1_: sarge |
| 18:15.13 | grendal_prime | time that is |
| 18:15.13 | pipeline | unfo: What is term? A full-feature vt100 for emacs? emacs terminal mode with its lousy, lousy handling bugs me :\ |
| 18:15.16 | bizkit | next time just paste your pstree.. who cares? |
| 18:15.35 | unfo | lynx lacks history and cookie saving afaik, but i find its the most efficient browser. |
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| 18:15.42 | unfo | bizkit: just sharing an unusual fact |
| 18:15.55 | jelly | [e]links is nice and displays tables and frames. |
| 18:15.57 | pipeline | grendal_prime: Heh, it's rather common in the Crisco world of grease, lies, and high prices to run a router with only one NIC. Linux, however, doesn't play so nice with the "router on a stick" idea. |
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| 18:16.18 | pipeline | unfo: Heh, w3m has a much nicer keyboard interface. Or so I'm told. I'm too lazy to learn it. |
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| 18:18.13 | Alam_Debian | how do i set options for modules that start-up? |
| 18:18.25 | BlackJudas | unfo: you at least have a working x server install, this is why I think it's ugly, characters are waaaaay to large... :P |
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| 18:18.32 | DamianXL | is there a pastebin that you guys use for me to paste my "interfaces" configuration for some help? |
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| 18:18.45 | Skaag | where can I find disks-i386? |
| 18:18.49 | unfo | I use #flood |
| 18:18.53 | Skaag | I need root.bin and linux.bin from an installer... |
| 18:18.56 | kspath | !tell DamianXL about paste |
| 18:19.02 | unfo | BlackJudas: youre not using Linux kernel fbdev??? |
| 18:19.09 | Skaag | I tried to find it on mirrors but that directory is no longer available |
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| 18:19.17 | Skaag | (on woody for example) |
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| 18:19.30 | bliss1_ | Kingspawn; as i am i have kernel 2.6.8-2-386 and kernel 2.6.8-3-686 think of upgrading can i use apt-get or will i ned to build from source |
| 18:19.44 | BlackJudas | unfo: nope, shit seems quite broken these days in amd64 land |
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| 18:20.05 | kingspawn | bliss1_: i would think that apt-get will do you nicely. my sarge is running kernel 2.4 |
| 18:20.26 | unfo | BlackJudas: im extremely surprised. did you try booting /vmlinuz vga=794? |
| 18:20.46 | DamianXL | guys |
| 18:20.51 | DamianXL | can anyone check my file at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2379 |
| 18:20.52 | DamianXL | tx |
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| 18:21.07 | bliss1_ | kingspawn: i would like a later version of 2.6 |
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| 18:21.26 | DamianXL | i'm getting an error telling me that i allow auto twice |
| 18:21.50 | kspath | DamianXL: Do you? |
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| 18:22.19 | DamianXL | kspath can u check the link and gimme a hand? |
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| 18:22.25 | DamianXL | i mean.. you |
| 18:22.26 | DamianXL | sorry |
| 18:22.28 | AngelGabriel | DamianXL, I think u need to take out the lo second refrence |
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| 18:22.33 | unfo | BlackJudas: ping |
| 18:22.39 | kspath | DamianXL: Yes you have auth lo twice |
| 18:22.43 | yang | is it possible to glue messages in gmail ? |
| 18:22.46 | DamianXL | okidoki.. |
| 18:23.03 | kspath | DamianXL: once by itself and once with eth0 to the right of it |
| 18:23.16 | DamianXL | exactly |
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| 18:23.27 | DamianXL | i thought i should call the interfaces automatically one by one... |
| 18:23.33 | kspath | DamianXL: no |
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| 18:23.46 | DamianXL | hold on |
| 18:23.52 | AngelGabriel | DamianXL, the second auto statment should read auto eth0 |
| 18:23.55 | kspath | DamianXL: keep the auto above and remove the second lo with eth0 |
| 18:24.10 | BlackJudas | unfo: sorry, I'm building a billion pkg's for amd64 :P funny thing is... the source packages are available , but all the binaries aren't built... they seem to build fine :/ |
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| 18:24.22 | tracer- | can someone advise me on the minimum of ram i should put in a server for a LAMP system? |
| 18:24.22 | unfo | BlackJudas: |
| 18:24.27 | unfo | did you try vga=794? |
| 18:24.35 | kspath | DamianXL: note that is to get rid of the two auto |
| 18:24.44 | unfo | tracer-: I'd assume it depends on load. |
| 18:24.45 | klync | tracer-: 256 would do it on a light load |
| 18:24.53 | AngelGabriel | Did someone say Judas!? |
| 18:24.58 | klync | lol |
| 18:24.58 | unfo | no |
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| 18:25.00 | Skaag | Did someone say beans? |
| 18:25.05 | unfo | !beans |
| 18:25.05 | dpkg | hmm... beans is Beans! Beans! They're good for your heart! The more you eat em, the more you ... uh ... never mind |
| 18:25.08 | AngelGabriel | Easter is a REAL bad time for you to be showing your face! |
| 18:25.16 | thingfish | don't knock beans. |
| 18:25.17 | AngelGabriel | Mr Judas! |
| 18:25.20 | DamianXL | can you check new config at http://channels.debian.net/paste/2380. |
| 18:25.22 | tracer- | well i currently hava e vps system .. its only 64mb ram.. and runs fine with apache/mysql/ftp but when i add sendmail and i use the mail() function in php it takes like 2minutes for the page to complete.. |
| 18:25.22 | DamianXL | ? |
| 18:25.23 | BlackJudas | unfo: yep.. though I'm running 2.6.8-2 (for shits and giggles, and from what I remember, it's busted somehow.. I could be wrong) |
| 18:25.31 | kspath | !leguems |
| 18:25.45 | thingfish | legumes are all good for you. |
| 18:25.45 | unfo | !legumes |
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| 18:25.57 | BlackJudas | AngelGabriel: wtf? |
| 18:25.58 | thingfish | plus lentils don't even take long to cook. |
| 18:25.59 | unfo | !legumes also make you fart. See also <<fart>>. |
| 18:26.05 | kspath | !legumes |
| 18:26.16 | klync | AngelGabriel: oddly enough, i just finished reading this... sorry #chan for it being OT... http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/04/14/notes041406.DTL |
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| 18:26.30 | DamianXL | is that config better? |
| 18:26.36 | DamianXL | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2380. |
| 18:27.07 | bliss1_ | kingspawn: morespefically the 2.6.11.7 kernel |
| 18:27.10 | kspath | DamianXL: better than previous yes |
| 18:27.14 | DamianXL | ok |
| 18:27.15 | MrNaz | when you're installing onto a machine with raid5, does grub get installed to /dev/hd0 or /dev/md0 ? |
| 18:27.19 | r_marvin | yeee, r2 is here |
| 18:27.21 | DamianXL | gonna start editing |
| 18:27.46 | r_marvin | MrNaz: to hd0 |
| 18:27.57 | DamianXL | brb |
| 18:27.58 | r_marvin | you'd better install it on all disks |
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| 18:28.09 | MrNaz | r_marvin ok... grub install is failing when it tries to install to that partition |
| 18:28.19 | r_marvin | ah |
| 18:28.30 | r_marvin | is your /boot fs raid5? |
| 18:28.33 | unfo | !legumes |
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| 18:28.35 | MrNaz | yes |
| 18:28.40 | AngelGabriel | BlackJudas, say what?! |
| 18:28.42 | r_marvin | then you can't boot |
| 18:28.55 | MrNaz | you cant? |
| 18:28.55 | AngelGabriel | Lets not get an into a faceoff up in here! |
| 18:28.57 | r_marvin | use a small raid1 for /boot or / |
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| 18:29.06 | unstable | If I own a domain, blah.com or whatever it is...how can I make it so when I join irc, it shows blah.com? |
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| 18:29.13 | MrNaz | r_marvin why is that? it worked when i used raid1 |
| 18:29.14 | r_marvin | MrNaz: no, grub cannot understand raid5 |
| 18:29.26 | kspath | AngelGabriel: umm your attempt at humour might offend some people in the way you did it. |
| 18:29.30 | r_marvin | on raid1 reads just one disk |
| 18:29.32 | MrNaz | but it can understand RAID1 aaah yes coz raid1 can be just read as per normal |
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| 18:29.39 | r_marvin | on raid5 it needs to assemble all |
| 18:29.45 | r_marvin | exactly |
| 18:29.55 | unfo | software raid specifically e.g. nvraid. |
| 18:29.56 | r_marvin | so no raid0 or raid5 on / |
| 18:30.20 | AngelGabriel | kspath, two things, 1, what you mean attempt!? that was funny! and 2 I'm sorry to all the folk tat may have been offended :) |
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| 18:30.53 | MrNaz | unfo this is for a file server |
| 18:30.58 | tracer- | is there a big difference in load between postfix and sendmail? |
| 18:31.03 | MrNaz | im using raid5 to make the most out of the drives i have |
| 18:31.12 | kspath | tracer-: You tell us. |
| 18:31.18 | MrNaz | unfo i also work with servers and high avail. servers\ |
| 18:31.23 | unfo | MrNaz: ah sorry |
| 18:31.35 | kspath | tracer-: It mostly would depend on your traffic and your configuration/options. |
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| 18:31.44 | MrNaz | unfo np :) just wanted to let you know i wasnt setting up my l33t gaming b0x |
| 18:31.45 | pipeline | unfo: Little gain? I only back up like once a year, now, because the most common cause of catastrophic data loss is eliminated. (single-drive failure) |
| 18:31.48 | unfo | ok :) |
| 18:31.49 | r_marvin | MrNaz: i use to make a small raid1 for / and raid5 for /storage or whatever |
| 18:31.54 | tracer- | hm k thnx |
| 18:31.56 | kspath | tracer-: try/test both |
| 18:32.02 | unfo | pipeline: its a lot of work to set up. |
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| 18:32.13 | kspath | tracer-: Did you think about exim as well? |
| 18:32.18 | MrNaz | r_marvin yeap it didnt occur to me that grub, in its 1mb size didnt have a raid5 driver incorporatedhaha |
| 18:32.20 | unfo | pipeline: (afaik) |
| 18:32.26 | tracer- | dont even know exim :) |
| 18:32.26 | r_marvin | lol |
| 18:32.31 | MrNaz | in hindsight thats glaringly obvious hehe |
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| 18:32.46 | Denmark | tracer- : Some stick to sendmail. |
| 18:32.47 | kspath | tracer-: Exim is the "default" debian MTA. |
| 18:32.57 | unfo | why? |
| 18:33.00 | kspath | tracer-: Do you know postfix or sendmail? |
| 18:33.34 | yang | is it possible to glue messages in gmail ? |
| 18:33.43 | unfo | yang: i cant understand. |
| 18:33.50 | tracer- | well i know of them yes.. i currently run sendmail.. but when i use the mail() function in php it takes up to 2min for the page to complete.. i noticed that it is because my load gets high when it runs.. so was looking for something lighter that can do smtp relay |
| 18:33.55 | r_marvin | MrNaz: one more thing, if you really want redundancy, you might be interested in raid5 for swap, to have the machine operating even if one disk breaks |
| 18:34.19 | r_marvin | otherwise just use same prio for swap partitions and no raid |
| 18:34.27 | pipeline | unfo: Heh, setting up simple software RAID under linux is a snap. |
| 18:34.36 | pipeline | unfo: Under windows, it's a little tricky, because you can't use it for the root partition safely. |
| 18:34.37 | MrNaz | r_marvin i've got raid5 on all partitions... well.. now all except /boot :) |
| 18:35.12 | kspath | tracer-: 2minutes? Is your load already high? Are you HD i/o bound? Are you into swap? Is it related to a DNS query? Did you investigate it already? |
| 18:35.24 | Denmark | Whats wrong with 64 bit Debian? |
| 18:35.33 | bliss1_ | kinngspawn apt-get kernel_image_2.6.11.7_i386? |
| 18:35.35 | abrotman | tracer-: probably a DNS issue |
| 18:35.38 | tracer- | well my cpu load = almost nil.. but it has to do with my memory thats almost full i think.. |
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| 18:35.47 | tracer- | runs at almost 98% mem |
| 18:35.52 | MrNaz | Denmark nothing... i have it deployed on my web server right now, with 2.6 kernel SMP installed (the machine is dual opteron) |
| 18:36.02 | thingfish | Denmark: #debian-amd64 |
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| 18:36.40 | Denmark | thingfish : What about nvidia drivers for the the 2.6 kernel in 64 bit? |
| 18:37.17 | thingfish | Denmark: no idea - I just thought you might benefit from asking in that channel. |
| 18:37.17 | Denmark | (Have you tainted your kernel today?) |
| 18:37.31 | unfo | yes :( |
| 18:37.32 | MrNaz | r_marvin thanks for that man... a tiny little pointer and im back on track hehe |
| 18:37.42 | thingfish | my sarge kernels are taint-free! :) |
| 18:37.45 | r_marvin | MrNaz: you're welcome |
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| 18:39.27 | MrNaz | r_marvin hmm its still failing... does /boot have to be the first partition? |
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| 18:39.45 | Denmark | So "Intel is for idiots" right now? |
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| 18:40.00 | r_marvin | MrNaz: not necessarily |
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| 18:40.06 | r_marvin | what happens? |
| 18:40.24 | MrNaz | it just says "installation of grub to hd0 failed. this is a fatal error." |
| 18:40.26 | r_marvin | Denmark: yeah, sparc rulez :P |
| 18:41.08 | MrNaz | Denmark yea i'd never buy an intel in a serve... opterons rule to roost... i'd also get AMD dual core athlon 64s over anything intel has for the desktop and sempron beats celeron any day in budget PCs.... |
| 18:41.26 | MrNaz | the only thing intel rules at (and they really do rule this area) is in mobile chips |
| 18:41.29 | r_marvin | ok, so you have a raid1 between, say, sda3, sdb3 and sdc3 , right? |
| 18:41.45 | Denmark | MrNaz : Centrino? |
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| 18:42.13 | MrNaz | each hdd is partitioned into / /boot /files and swap ... all of those are added together using raid5 except boot, which i just have as raid1 |
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| 18:42.53 | r_marvin | ok, so you basically have /dev/md3 as raid1 between sda2 sdb2 and sdc2 , right? |
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| 18:43.35 | unstable | If I own bobdole.com and bobdole.com links to my home isp box as a web server, How can I make it so when I connect to irc on my linux box...it shows "bobdole.com" as my hostmask? |
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| 18:43.51 | MrNaz | r_marvin yes, /dev/sda1 - /dev/sdd1 are all a 4 unit raid1 array |
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| 18:44.04 | r_marvin | MrNaz: ah, ok |
| 18:44.11 | r_marvin | enter the grub cli |
| 18:44.16 | r_marvin | grub --no-floppy |
| 18:44.30 | MrNaz | that array (which is 30mb) is mounted as /boot |
| 18:44.39 | r_marvin | run the next three commands: |
| 18:44.42 | MrNaz | ok here's where i admit that im a noob... how do i get to a console? |
| 18:44.54 | r_marvin | MrNaz: huh? |
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| 18:45.04 | Denmark | MrNaz : Joke? |
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| 18:45.07 | MrNaz | im in the middle of the install |
| 18:45.10 | r_marvin | open a terminal |
| 18:45.12 | r_marvin | oh |
| 18:45.12 | jz | hey |
| 18:45.14 | jz | niagara::EventQueue * eq = niagara::NativeWindow::gloablEventQuque; |
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| 18:45.18 | r_marvin | alt-f3 , iirc |
| 18:45.23 | MrNaz | aah ok |
| 18:45.29 | jz | globalEventQueue is static class var |
| 18:45.36 | jz | why cant i access it? |
| 18:45.45 | r_marvin | uh |
| 18:45.49 | r_marvin | wait |
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| 18:45.58 | r_marvin | it should work in the installer |
| 18:46.10 | kspath | jz: You are in #debian now. |
| 18:46.15 | jz | anyone here proficent in c++? |
| 18:46.15 | r_marvin | can you look on the debugging console and see what grub say? |
| 18:46.33 | kspath | jz: try a C++ channel |
| 18:46.34 | r_marvin | it's one of f2-f4 |
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| 18:46.50 | jz | k |
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| 18:47.03 | MrNaz | r_marvin ok one sec |
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| 18:47.29 | didas | hi all. am new to debian. I have a question. Do I ever need to install a package that is NOT ncluded in my debian distribution? (am using sarge) |
| 18:47.41 | r_marvin | didas: probably |
| 18:47.43 | jz | damn no channel except debian channel responds |
| 18:47.44 | r_marvin | it depends |
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| 18:48.03 | r_marvin | jz: and they tell you to be patient :) |
| 18:48.06 | kspath | jz: You need to learn patience and consider looking at usenet. |
| 18:48.07 | didas | well.. let's say i want to use Skype |
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| 18:48.19 | Dikij | jz: try #hardware |
| 18:48.22 | r_marvin | didas: skype is not in debian |
| 18:48.30 | r_marvin | but they provide packages for it |
| 18:48.37 | r_marvin | search on apt-get.org |
| 18:48.45 | r_marvin | !skype |
| 18:48.45 | dpkg | i guess skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols, or debs for skype are available with and without a static qt library from http://debian-unofficial.org |
| 18:48.52 | r_marvin | there you go |
| 18:48.53 | Dikij | I installed skype using apt-get |
| 18:49.05 | MrNaz | r_marvin i think ive messed up this installation... im going to have to start again... it takes a little while coz im doing this from a boot floppy over dsl.... will you be here in about 20 mins? |
| 18:49.13 | r_marvin | probably |
| 18:49.15 | Denmark | Dikij : Skype sucks. |
| 18:49.29 | Denmark | Dikij : Checkout gnome-meeting |
| 18:49.29 | r_marvin | remember the raid1 thingy and you should be fine |
| 18:49.39 | didas | Dikij: why do you say that? |
| 18:49.41 | MrNaz | r_marvin yeap thanks for that :) |
| 18:49.44 | jz | skype is good compared to others |
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| 18:49.55 | aldomtnez | other client work like skype, any body knows!? |
| 18:49.59 | PaTr0N | hi |
| 18:50.02 | Dikij | Denmark : Can I talk to people there? |
| 18:50.20 | jz | skype doesnt need port config, superb voice quality, and easy for noobs |
| 18:50.26 | aldomtnez | jz: what others!?? |
| 18:50.51 | aldomtnez | i can't work around squid with skype, any solution !? |
| 18:50.54 | didas | jz : noobs? |
| 18:51.01 | jz | aim voice, yahoo voice, gnome chat (aka ...) |
| 18:51.03 | PaTr0N | looks like the default linux2.4(sarge netinst) had some trouble with my nvidia board's SATA |
| 18:51.08 | jz | i mean non techies |
| 18:51.14 | Denmark | aldomtnez : Drop skype, and go real voip |
| 18:51.21 | stew | PaTr0N: that's not suprising. did you try the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:51.29 | jz | skype is easy to use and requires no config |
| 18:51.31 | PaTr0N | just i just found how to do that |
| 18:51.35 | Dikij | listen.. one more question.. how to run Lineage2 on debian? |
| 18:51.36 | Denmark | Dikij : Yes. You can even vidio them. |
| 18:51.41 | PaTr0N | it goes fine now |
| 18:51.45 | kspath | Denmark: drop VoIP and use a real phone. /me runs and hides. |
| 18:51.45 | PaTr0N | :) |
| 18:51.50 | r_marvin | jz: then use it, what's the problem? |
| 18:52.05 | Denmark | kspath : I do both. |
| 18:52.10 | jz | i know im prolly get bashed ... but i believe linux needs to "homogenize" |
| 18:52.18 | r_marvin | huh? |
| 18:52.21 | kspath | !bash jz |
| 18:52.23 | jz | to the average non-techie |
| 18:52.29 | Denmark | kspath : I use sipura ATA with old PSTN phones. |
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| 18:52.40 | aldomtnez | Denmark: please any client! what can i probe!?? |
| 18:52.42 | jz | installing various wm, (kde...gnome) is kinda hard |
| 18:52.42 | kspath | Denmark: I was just teasing. Sorry. |
| 18:52.48 | jz | even with suse |
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| 18:52.54 | r_marvin | jz: this sounds like a beginning of a lame flame attempt |
| 18:53.02 | jz | u need kinda techinical bkground to know what ur doing |
| 18:53.03 | r_marvin | please be more precise |
| 18:53.11 | Denmark | aldomtnez : Try gnomemeeting or kphone, or sjphone if you wanna go proprietary. |
| 18:53.24 | didas | so how are these packages called that do not belong to a distribution? Non-standard? |
| 18:53.27 | Denmark | aldomtnez : sjlabs.com or osmething. |
| 18:53.30 | r_marvin | jz: right, i heard of pigs flying on radio this morning, too |
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| 18:53.58 | jz | so i believe they should cut out the 20/50/100+ wm's and go standard |
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| 18:54.03 | jz | ie all stick to gnome |
| 18:54.07 | crov | Hi all, i cant install debian, because when i boot netinstall cd, i dont see what is typed in Installation Screen(picutre fuzzy). pls help, (ubuntu boot fine and i see all fine) |
| 18:54.09 | kspath | jz: UGH |
| 18:54.12 | aldomtnez | other question |
| 18:54.29 | jz | thats how ms and apple showoff their ease of use |
| 18:54.34 | unstable | crov: What version of ubuntu are you trying to install? |
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| 18:54.42 | aldomtnez | i have a webcam, MY120, how can i probe if work!! |
| 18:54.47 | jz | for the techies, they can stick to 100+ wms |
| 18:54.52 | aldomtnez | i'm using debian etch |
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| 18:55.14 | myren_ | how do i configure my printer? |
| 18:55.20 | jz | hey |
| 18:55.21 | kspath | jz: Go join freedesktop.org and LSB? |
| 18:55.28 | beardy | unstable: /join #ubuntu |
| 18:55.28 | bureado | aldomtnez: Are there /dev/video* files created in your system? |
| 18:55.32 | crov | unstable: Debian is what i am trying to install not ubuntu.... |
| 18:55.39 | bureado | myren_: Have you installed it? |
| 18:55.40 | jz | hows slickedit? |
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| 18:55.50 | r_marvin | myren: go to localhost:631 in a browser |
| 18:55.59 | myren_ | bureado: yeah, i tried a dpkg-reconfigure too. it asked me what backends i wanted but nothing more |
| 18:56.12 | sparr | ooooh, upgrade to xorg7 uninstalled konqueror |
| 18:56.13 | jz | but they don't gain enough traction... this needs to be WHOLE FOSS COMMUNITY adopted |
| 18:56.17 | bureado | myren_: Now use a browser and go to <host>:631 |
| 18:56.19 | jz | not just a single group |
| 18:56.21 | aldomtnez | yep, and init process detect the device |
| 18:56.34 | aldomtnez | but what aplication can help me!?? |
| 18:56.36 | kspath | jz: Start an army. |
| 18:56.37 | myren_ | r_marvin bureado: thanks mates! |
| 18:56.40 | aldomtnez | with KDE |
| 18:56.40 | r_marvin | jz: sorry, but the whole foss community might have a different agenda today |
| 18:56.43 | aldomtnez | 3.5.2 |
| 18:56.43 | jz | yes i will |
| 18:56.45 | r_marvin | try tomorrow |
| 18:56.51 | kspath | jz: Take over the world and impose your will. |
| 18:56.56 | sparr | jz: one wm will never meet the majority's needs |
| 18:57.01 | bureado | aldomtnez: Try to do a cat /dev/video and move your hand in the camera and watch funny stuff happen. The install something like camorama or camstream if using X. |
| 18:57.04 | aldomtnez | Denmark: what client work with proxy!?? |
| 18:57.09 | bureado | myren_: Always welcome. |
| 18:57.10 | sparr | jz: there are dozens of features i love in a wm. none have all of them :( |
| 18:57.15 | r_marvin | jz: we also need ONE book |
| 18:57.23 | r_marvin | there are so many of them |
| 18:57.30 | Denmark | aldomtnez : Why need you proxy? |
| 18:57.48 | jz | the problem is without grassroot support, its just gonna fork->fork->fork until its really hard for the avg user to know what the hell to do |
| 18:58.00 | kspath | jz: forks die a lot |
| 18:58.07 | jz | i know |
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| 18:58.19 | jz | but they also create lots of unnesscary distractions |
| 18:58.27 | Dikij | listen, guys, I am new in debian.. How do I get connected in Gnome-meeting? |
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| 18:58.29 | bureado | aldomtnez: There's a command line app called vgrabbj which might help you. Check a useful script at http://caracas.trollparty.org/tiki-index.php?page=WebCams |
| 18:58.33 | sparr | jz: the avg user can use gnome or kde and like it. |
| 18:58.34 | crov | Someone can help me with above problem?? |
| 18:58.48 | jz | for example, if ms win or osx had like 20 wms, i bet they wont have all the markety share |
| 18:58.50 | bureado | Dikij: Fire it up, then call another H.323 user using his/her IP. |
| 18:58.54 | Denmark | Dikij : apt-get install gnomemeeting |
| 18:59.00 | sparr | jz: ms win and osx DO have like 20 wms |
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| 18:59.10 | Dikij | who for example can I call? |
| 18:59.10 | sparr | jz: you can replace explorer, and you can replace darwin. just most people dont. |
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| 18:59.16 | gnufan | crov: try "linux vga=771" |
| 18:59.28 | stew | jz: do you have anything debian related? |
| 18:59.28 | kspath | jz: yes, they can and do. That is imposed by the corporation. People like linux and bsd and such because it is generally not too control. |
| 18:59.29 | aldomtnez | Denmark: because i have a proxy squid before! :( |
| 18:59.29 | Denmark | bureado : SIP is maybe the way to go now .. untill IAX2 gets more standard ... |
| 18:59.37 | Dikij | crov: simple download a new cd image disk of debian.. |
| 18:59.44 | jz | k, widespread use... in ms win, most ppl dont download cywgin(at least not avg users), ditto for osx |
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| 18:59.55 | sparr | stew: im going on vacation tomorrow, i brought jz in to keep up the offtopic rants while im gone |
| 19:00.01 | crov | gnufan will try |
| 19:00.09 | bureado | Dikij: A friend using H.323, or SIP, now with Ekiga, as Denmark says. I think you can browse a directory in gnome-meeting and call other willing people. |
| 19:00.10 | gnufan | crov: or watch what options the Ubuntu CD does when it boots carefully ;) |
| 19:00.18 | PaTr0N | ok, now im at step install basic system, it says there was a failure downloading "adduser" now what ? |
| 19:00.27 | Denmark | aldomtnez : I am not sure that is optimal for VoIP .. you want QoS for that .. maybe look for osip proxy? |
| 19:00.34 | Dikij | thnks.. I'll try.. |
| 19:00.40 | kspath | jz: Provide the best and others will come. If they are happy and stupid they are not likely to going looking for another "solution". |
| 19:00.41 | crov | Dikij why? you think this install cd is coruptet? I got first install screen, but picture is scrumbeled... cant read it.. |
| 19:00.54 | jz | i took a look at a typical senario |
| 19:01.19 | Denmark | !gnomemeeting |
| 19:01.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnomemeeting is a H323 Compatible Netmeeting clone for the Gnome Desktop |
| 19:01.25 | jz | lots of diff software for same purpose = lots of stuff oems have to support == more money spend on support |
| 19:01.25 | gnufan | crov: sounds like a typical screen issue -- you get the boot prompt, but something bad happens to the first menu |
| 19:01.34 | Dikij | crov: and what machine are u installing on? |
| 19:01.36 | Denmark | !gnomemeeting is also sip nowadays and has a new name |
| 19:01.36 | dpkg | okay, Denmark |
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| 19:01.48 | jz | == they dont wanna spend cash on it |
| 19:01.50 | aldomtnez | Denmark: ok, i'll try to see the results! |
| 19:01.51 | stew | jz: please keep it on topic |
| 19:01.54 | aldomtnez | Denmark: thanks |
| 19:01.55 | jz | ==no widespread usage |
| 19:01.57 | chealer9 | Denmark: gnomemeeting is sip? |
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| 19:02.09 | beardy | jz: What is your point, and why do you want to make it here? |
| 19:02.10 | Denmark | chealer9 : Its both now. :-) |
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| 19:02.11 | bureado | Ekiga is. |
| 19:02.11 | kspath | jz: Write up all this and put it on a site. |
| 19:02.25 | crov | Dikij Sony Vaio PCV-RX212, GeForce2 Ti 64MB, |
| 19:02.29 | chealer9 | !gnomemeeting |
| 19:02.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnomemeeting is a H323 Compatible Netmeeting clone for the Gnome Desktop, or sip nowadays and has a new name |
| 19:02.49 | Denmark | chealer9 : Heh .. I thought I had to double that "also" .. |
| 19:02.53 | gnufan | !ekiga |
| 19:02.59 | sparr | whats good software to convert ogg to mp3? something with a gui, and that uses a good encoder |
| 19:03.00 | Dikij | crov: and what debian cd have u downloaded? |
| 19:03.04 | Delmar | can anyone recommend some web-based bugtrack/ticket/wiki, perhaps with forums... kinda package at all? |
| 19:03.07 | crov | gnufan correct, i can clearly read first non-collor info, but when commt prompt for Selecting language.... cant read it |
| 19:03.19 | Denmark | gnufan : Thats the new name, right? |
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| 19:03.24 | crov | Dikij Debian debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:03.28 | beardy | Delmar: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:03.41 | chealer9 | dpkg: no, gnomemeeting is <reply> see ekiga |
| 19:03.42 | dpkg | chealer9: okay |
| 19:04.01 | jz | i actually use it windows... i don't like their restrictions and underpowered stuff, but i do like them for the "Single software for a task" |
| 19:04.13 | Delmar | beardy, no.. that does not provide me with a response to my question. I would like a recommendation based on experience. dpkg has not installed or played with any packages. :P |
| 19:04.22 | bureado | Linux is also a single package for a task. |
| 19:04.23 | chealer9 | dpkg: ekiga is a H323 and SIP Compatible Netmeeting clone for the GNOME Desktop, previously named gnomemeeting |
| 19:04.24 | dpkg | okay, chealer9 |
| 19:04.26 | Dikij | crov: liten, I've downloaded debian, the first disk and installed other packages from the net.. |
| 19:04.30 | chealer9 | !gnomemeeting |
| 19:04.30 | dpkg | methinks ekiga is a H323 and SIP Compatible Netmeeting clone for the GNOME Desktop, previously named gnomemeeting |
| 19:04.30 | bureado | You just install Debian. That's a single package. For any task. |
| 19:04.32 | beardy | Delmar: You didn't even read it, did you? |
| 19:04.41 | Dikij | crov: debina installed then.. |
| 19:04.43 | kspath | jz: There is not single software for a task. Please go read about freedesktop.org and LSB. |
| 19:04.48 | Denmark | !gnomemeeting |
| 19:04.48 | dpkg | it has been said that ekiga is a H323 and SIP Compatible Netmeeting clone for the GNOME Desktop, previously named gnomemeeting |
| 19:04.57 | jz | okay |
| 19:05.00 | jz | let me clarify |
| 19:05.03 | stew | jz: stop. this is a debian support channel. unless you have a debian related question, please move on |
| 19:05.09 | jz | k |
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| 19:05.22 | Denmark | gnufan : Is netmeeting sip? |
| 19:05.32 | bureado | I don't think so |
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| 19:06.05 | Denmark | I don't think ekiga is merely a netmeeting clone .. though it may have started out that way ... |
| 19:06.15 | Denmark | !netmeeting |
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| 19:06.27 | nicolas__ | hi |
| 19:06.33 | chealer9 | Denmark: right, you may want to update the factoid |
| 19:06.37 | myren_ | My printer supports PCL-5, any idea if the PCL 6 cups drivers would work? |
| 19:06.42 | kspath | Denmark: please do not invoke the M$ evil apps names. |
| 19:06.45 | bureado | I think GnomeMeeting aimed to be a NetMeeting clone, but, as most free software, it evolved into better software, i.e. Ekiga. |
| 19:06.46 | Denmark | !netmeeting is a ekiga clone for M$ OS. |
| 19:06.46 | dpkg | okay, Denmark |
| 19:06.51 | jz | debians should create a iphoto clone... iphoto == too cool |
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| 19:07.11 | kspath | jz: do it. |
| 19:07.12 | bureado | What's iphoto? |
| 19:07.12 | nicolas__ | im ssh-proxying for another host and im wandering if there is some logfiles where i can view visited websites from the proxyed host ? |
| 19:07.21 | Delmar | beardy, yep. i read that. i know all about apt-cache search. you didnt even read or understand my request... did you |
| 19:07.31 | maxb | Is anyone else experiencing weird behaviour with apt-get and the latest mailman package? |
| 19:07.32 | jz | apple's iphoto, photo management soft |
| 19:07.38 | beardy | Delmar: I did. |
| 19:07.41 | chealer9 | Denmark: keep in mind that dpkg already has plenty of silly factoids |
| 19:07.43 | beardy | !tell Delmar about better |
| 19:07.44 | Denmark | dpkg no, netmeeting is a proprietary (evil) ekiga clone for M$ OS. |
| 19:07.45 | dpkg | Denmark: okay |
| 19:08.03 | tuxedup | seeing as the nvidia-glx package is no longer in sid or etch, what other ways can you install the nvidia drivers besides hte official nvidia installer. I have looked around the net but the only ways I have found use the nvidia-glx package and opthe rnvidia-kernel packages etc all i can find bar the glx or using rhe nvidia installer |
| 19:08.23 | Delmar | Can anyone here (from their own experiences) recommend a bugtrack/ticket/wiki kinda package for me please. thanks. |
| 19:08.27 | jz | i can tell if someone is trying to fit in ... ppl who write "m$" are, ppl who dont are not |
| 19:08.29 | Delmar | beardy, go back to sleep |
| 19:08.32 | bureado | jz: Are you an Apple shareholder? |
| 19:08.37 | jz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:08.42 | gnufan | chealer9: I never realised dpkg was so trusting ;) |
| 19:08.46 | jz | i have a mac, and a win, and a debian pc |
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| 19:08.49 | bureado | jz: Then why are you advertising their software? |
| 19:08.49 | kspath | jz: Are you confused? |
| 19:08.53 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 19:08.53 | gnufan | !gnufan |
| 19:08.54 | dpkg | i heard gnufan is http://simonwaters.technocool.net/ |
| 19:09.11 | Dikij | one more quetion; I have a GeForse 6600.. How I can connect my seccond display on linux? |
| 19:09.17 | maxb | Delmar: If you use Subversion, then Trac is excellent |
| 19:09.20 | jz | multihead x server |
| 19:09.40 | bureado | I think Xinerama is the way to go. |
| 19:09.59 | kspath | Dikij: do you only have a GeForce 6600? Does it have more than one analog or digital connector? |
| 19:10.07 | shogunx | bureado, Xinerama does a great job. |
| 19:10.08 | Delmar | maxb, yeah but I'm interested in something with web front end.. bug track.. ticket.. wiki...forums perhaps... i guess something sql+php etc |
| 19:10.13 | sorpigal | jz: gphoto. Next. |
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| 19:10.39 | maxb | Delmar: Huh!?!?!? That is what Trac is! |
| 19:10.45 | bureado | Trac is web-based |
| 19:11.00 | Denmark | !gnomemeeting |
| 19:11.00 | dpkg | ekiga is probably a H323 and SIP compatible VoIP client, that supports video chat and is mostly compatible with the proprietary program "netmeeting". |
| 19:11.21 | jz | gphoto? why such mudane names... why does it always have to be g*... why not photocave or something? |
| 19:11.24 | Denmark | Please correct my spelling and so.. |
| 19:11.26 | Dikij | it has two connectors.. On Windows I acn run 2 displayes.. but on Debian, the second display turns in stand by mode, when gdm starts.. |
| 19:11.28 | sorpigal | Why the name change? I liked GnomeMeeting better. |
| 19:11.33 | jz | i know about gnome, btw |
| 19:11.44 | Denmark | sorpigal : Me2, ask GNOME devils .. |
| 19:11.46 | beardy | jz: Get a clue, and do it in your web browser, go away. |
| 19:11.55 | Denmark | sorpigal : GNOME devels, even .. :-P |
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| 19:12.09 | bureado | If you are not happy with gphoto, there's f-spot. |
| 19:12.10 | sorpigal | Denmark: No, I think you got it right the first time (-: |
| 19:12.11 | Dikij | kspath: it has two connectors.. On Windows I acn run 2 displayes.. but on Debian, the second display turns in stand by mode, when gdm starts.. |
| 19:12.19 | Delmar | maxb, cheers. ill look into that. |
| 19:12.24 | Denmark | sorpigal :-> |
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| 19:12.35 | shogunx | Dikij xinerama works wonderfully... i'm looking at 2 monitors with it now. |
| 19:12.40 | kspath | Dikij: You can set it up to use both in XFree86 and Xorg |
| 19:12.42 | Delmar | maxb, im not sure subversion is going to be used though. |
| 19:12.53 | Delmar | maxb, but it sounds good. |
| 19:12.53 | sorpigal | Dikij: read nvidia's driver docs. Look for TwinView |
| 19:13.16 | jz | fspot actually looks pretty nice, btw |
| 19:13.18 | kspath | shogunx: Dikij might need your config file or a bit of help. |
| 19:13.35 | maxb | Trac is designed to be used Subversion. If you won't be using Subversion *at all*, it's perhaps not an ideal solution. |
| 19:13.49 | maxb | s/used/used with/ |
| 19:14.00 | kspath | I have a debian sarge box with 3 heads but they are 3 separate VGA cards. |
| 19:14.01 | jz | http://images.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/images/overview20060120.jpg |
| 19:14.06 | bureado | Maybe BugZilla? |
| 19:14.44 | shogunx | kspath config and help no problem, but i am using a riva card and a matrox. what i'm wondering is, with xinerama, i list the pci id of each card in its description... with a dual head card, it would only have a single pci it. |
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| 19:15.20 | kspath | shogunx: exactly, it is different for the 2,3,4,+ heads per card. |
| 19:15.30 | kspath | shogunx: it is not difficult just different. |
| 19:15.48 | jz | i should write an article about what is to be done for linux to be more popular in avg-user land |
| 19:16.09 | shogunx | kspath> right... i just have no working setup like his to reference. do the howto's cover the subject? |
| 19:16.11 | Dikij | shogunx: and where can I get those manulas? |
| 19:16.17 | myren_ | can gimp view photoshop files? |
| 19:16.27 | beardy | myren_: Yes. |
| 19:16.33 | myren_ | nice, thanks! |
| 19:16.34 | shogunx | Dikij> search google.com/linux for xinerama howto |
| 19:16.55 | bureado | I should write an article about what has been done for Linux to be more popular in the avg-user land. |
| 19:16.58 | Dikij | thnks guys.. |
| 19:16.58 | kspath | Dikij: There are references out there. I do not have one handy. In fact the xorg and xfree86 default config files have some basic help that points it out I believe. |
| 19:17.17 | Dikij | thnks. |
| 19:17.26 | Delmar | maxb, ok that looks great from a developer standpoint... not quite what i'm after but thanks for that suggestion |
| 19:17.26 | bureado | And how it has overpassed other operating systems. And how other operating systems have copied ideas from the FOSS developers. |
| 19:17.39 | kspath | Dikij: focus on those that talk about 2 heads with one VGA card. |
| 19:18.01 | Dikij | ok |
| 19:18.07 | bureado | And how a certain operating system does nothing to be more popular in avg-user land than maintaining the market status quo. |
| 19:18.11 | jz | lol haha like its ever gonna happen ! http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/18/1433248&from=rss |
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| 19:18.16 | shogunx | Dikij try this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=351192 |
| 19:18.24 | fluor- | hi there |
| 19:18.32 | oskie | how come, when I do 'apt-get upgrade', it keeps updating the same packages over and over |
| 19:18.38 | maxb | Is there anyone else here who uses the Debian mailman package? |
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| 19:18.53 | shogunx | maxb i do, whats up? |
| 19:18.54 | fluor- | what tool can I use to check a whole hard-disk for bad sectors & misc physical errors? |
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| 19:18.57 | beardy | bureado, jz, you can discuss that in a /msg, or in ##linux |
| 19:19.03 | jz | what u think of slashdot article? http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/18/1433248&from=rss |
| 19:19.04 | bureado | maxb: I do. |
| 19:19.04 | mne | anyone familiar with cryptsetup and mkinitrd ? I made an initrd which works just fine unter 2.6.12. on 2.6.16 is says "Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.03 (2006-02-08)(compat) and kernel driver" though the kernel has support for lvm and dm-crypt. it even getting funnier: on 2.6.12 where is works just fine, i get the same error if I chroot into the initrd. |
| 19:19.05 | bgat | is there a way to tell what the HZ is of a running system? |
| 19:19.12 | bureado | beardy: So sorry. Won't happen again. |
| 19:19.25 | Denmark | bgat: There is probably morethanone way. |
| 19:19.28 | kspath | fluor-: Is there data on the disk you need to keep intact? |
| 19:19.32 | maxb | shogunx, bureado: Is apt-get acting weird for you? It wants to continually reinstall mailman for me every time I do an upgrade? |
| 19:19.33 | beardy | bgat: ? The processor? '/cat/proc/cpuinfo' perhaps. |
| 19:19.34 | Dikij | shogunx: thnks.. I'll study this page |
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| 19:19.38 | kspath | fluor-: Did you make a backup of that data yet? |
| 19:19.47 | Denmark | bgat : (The space key is broken) |
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| 19:19.53 | bgat | beardy: no the #define HZ |
| 19:20.01 | sparr | can anyone name an audio transcoder, like lame, that can preserve metadata from ogg to mp3? |
| 19:20.05 | shogunx | Dikij 3-4 entries down there is what looks like a correct X config file for your setup. |
| 19:20.14 | fluor- | kspath: yes |
| 19:20.15 | bgat | Denmark: all I need is one way. :) |
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| 19:20.21 | bureado | maxb: You have files in the queue. Mailman can't flush this files, and therefore the scripts fails, so it stays in the line for reinstalling again. |
| 19:20.36 | beardy | bgat: sorry, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo', Ok.. |
| 19:20.43 | oskie | WHY does it upgrade the same packages over and over (epp. libselinux1!) |
| 19:20.43 | maxb | bureado: No, that's not it. |
| 19:20.48 | kspath | fluor-: Is the drive in production use right now? |
| 19:20.58 | fluor- | kspath: yes, it is in a laptop |
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| 19:21.13 | maxb | oskie: Hmm, interesting I am having the same problem with mailman right now |
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| 19:22.07 | zumbi | !hi |
| 19:22.08 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 19:22.29 | zumbi | do we have any pkg to watch P2P TV ? |
| 19:22.30 | bureado | maxb: Any specific error or debug messages? |
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| 19:22.37 | kspath | fluor-: Well some utils want to write to the drives when testing. Be prepared to do without that drive if it dies during testing or "fixing". |
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| 19:23.05 | fluor- | kspath: what utilities is there? |
| 19:23.11 | oskie | maxb: strange... i guess the system will work anyway, but it's not very good |
| 19:23.15 | fluor- | kspath: I'm talking about an iBook G4 using Debian |
| 19:23.19 | fluor- | kspath: I'm backing up information anyways |
| 19:23.30 | jz | wow nobo, absolutely NOBODY, talks in ##linux |
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| 19:23.32 | fluor- | kspath: I'm about to send the laptop to repair for a broken Ethernet port |
| 19:23.34 | maxb | bureado: no errors, or any exceptional messages - it just seems to keep thinking that the same version that is currently installed, is also newer! |
| 19:23.49 | kspath | fluor-: I was only prepared to give generic advice. Sorry. |
| 19:23.51 | fluor- | kspath: so I think it's a good time to thoroughly test the machine to get anything that's wrong replaced |
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| 19:24.00 | maxb | I'm looking rather suspiciously at the explicit zero-epoch in the version number |
| 19:24.02 | fluor- | kspath: ok, thanks anyways |
| 19:24.12 | tracer- | anybody know a good howto for configuring sendmail? |
| 19:24.27 | gnufan | tracer-: yeap "don't" ;) |
| 19:24.34 | kspath | tracer-: The very large BAT book. |
| 19:24.35 | maxb | tracer-: Use exim instead :-) |
| 19:24.39 | tracer- | lol |
| 19:24.50 | tracer- | but does exim have a sendmail wrapper for php? |
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| 19:25.05 | kspath | tracer-: configuring any MTA is VERY dependent on your needs/requirements/wants . |
| 19:25.11 | maxb | tracer-: Doesn't *every* MTA have a sendmail-workalike command? |
| 19:25.13 | gnufan | tracer-: everything has a sendmail interface (Postfix, qmail, exim) it is a defacto standard |
| 19:25.23 | tracer- | ic |
| 19:25.34 | tracer- | and in your opinion why is exim better than sendmail? |
| 19:25.39 | kspath | tracer-: exim and postfix have basic emulation of sendmail so they can replace it most often. |
| 19:25.47 | gnufan | tracer-: although experience here is use SMTP to localhost port 25 -- the sendmail interface is crap even with sendmail. |
| 19:25.47 | huhmz | Is it possible to detach a gui program that is being forwarded from another box (for example ssh) and reattach it at some later time? |
| 19:26.26 | gnufan | tracer-: that is with regard to PHP and Apache2 that interface comment BTW |
| 19:26.31 | maxb | I find the configuration of exim to be much more easily comprehendible and visualizable than anything else I've tried |
| 19:26.49 | tracer- | hehe k :) |
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| 19:27.13 | lazzarello | would someone know a manufacturer of a sub-$100 quad port nic? I saw an ad in LJ but forgot the company. |
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| 19:27.40 | gnufan | tracer-: postfix even has "mailq" and a zillion other sendmail like features (except for the M4 stuff and the security holes, like you'll miss them !) |
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| 19:27.43 | kspath | lazzarello: with a linux supported driver? |
| 19:27.45 | pipeline | lazzarello: Sun QFEs are usually under a hundred bucks used. |
| 19:27.46 | beardy | lazzarello: That is what search engines exist for. |
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| 19:28.06 | gnufan | !start an MTA war |
| 19:28.06 | dpkg | qmail has an evil license |
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| 19:28.26 | lazzarello | kspath, it has 4 via-rhine chips on it |
| 19:28.26 | kspath | !MTAsmite gnufan |
| 19:28.33 | Denmark | dpkg : You got that right! Sendmail rocks! |
| 19:28.37 | Shadowcat | !beat kspath |
| 19:28.44 | lazzarello | beardy, thanks homey! you've helped! |
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| 19:29.03 | rohan | anyone know of a way of installing amarok on debian sid ? |
| 19:29.12 | zumbi | dpkg, nullmailer |
| 19:29.12 | dpkg | i heard nullmailer is a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/ |
| 19:29.19 | Obligatory | Hello network gurus... anybody up to helping troubleshoot an 'ipmasq' setup that doesn't seem to be working today? I'm cornfused... |
| 19:29.23 | jz | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/18/1433248&from=rss |
| 19:29.29 | jz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.34 | jz | " Is Microsoft Silent Before a Deadly Storm?" |
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| 19:29.42 | stew | !ops jz has not yet been on topic |
| 19:29.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: jz has not yet been on topic |
| 19:29.58 | kspath | jz: Please do not do that. |
| 19:30.11 | Shadowcat | we really don't care |
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| 19:30.14 | Sonny | Hello, I'm having problems saving .jpeg files... I receive an error about that the libjpeg is failing.... I use Debian etch, how can I solve my problem? |
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| 19:30.31 | zumbi | Sonny: what is the error? |
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| 19:30.47 | jz | ls |
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| 19:30.49 | Obligatory | rohan: 'apt-get install amarok'? |
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| 19:30.54 | Denmark | Sh... crap,evne ... mentor has become @ in chan. debian!! |
| 19:30.55 | mentor | jz: Sorry, this is a support channel.. not a command line either |
| 19:31.02 | LoRez | that was odd. |
| 19:31.02 | rohan | Obligatory: did you try that yourself on sid ? |
| 19:31.04 | mentor | er |
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| 19:31.18 | mentor | LoRez: I think he's probably just misguided not malicious. |
| 19:31.25 | LoRez | mentor: da. |
| 19:31.36 | rohan | Obligatory: see.. amarok: Depends: libtunepimp2c2a (>= 0.3.0) but it is not installable |
| 19:31.39 | rohan | E: Broken packages |
| 19:31.40 | rohan | :( |
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| 19:31.42 | tracer- | so exim is the way to go? cause now i'm confused :p |
| 19:31.42 | rohan | goddamn |
| 19:31.44 | Obligatory | rohan: I forget which is 'sid' -- I have 'amarok' installed on 'unstable'. |
| 19:31.49 | kspath | mentor: I tried directing jz to freedesktop.org and LSB. |
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| 19:31.53 | Shadowcat | sid == unstable |
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| 19:31.59 | rohan | Obligatory: sid is unstable ! look at the error above |
| 19:31.59 | Sonny | zumbi, just "libjgpe reports an error" |
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| 19:32.07 | mentor | oh sorry, much more |
| 19:32.08 | jz | ls |
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| 19:32.13 | Shadowcat | mentor: I think his client is scripted to avoid bans |
| 19:32.20 | Denmark | ehehehe? |
| 19:32.22 | tracer- | gnufan ? go for exim? i need something easy configurable ..that just does some smtp relaxy for the php mail() function.. |
| 19:32.26 | Shadowcat | *!*@pool-70-110-27-160.washdc.fios.verizon.net <--- ban that |
| 19:32.27 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 19:32.29 | LoRez | I think he's being to large a dumb arse. |
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| 19:32.38 | stew | rohan: try "apt-get install libtunepimp2c2a" and try to nail down why that is not installable? |
| 19:32.40 | Shadowcat | LoRez: well that too |
| 19:32.41 | mentor | Sorry, I didn't read far back enough |
| 19:32.46 | sparr | does debian have a policy regarding development versions of software? debian unstable has development grip, but stable gimp. |
| 19:32.55 | rohan | stew: been there done that : Package libtunepimp2c2a is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:32.58 | rohan | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:32.58 | gnufan | tracer-: you have a choice -- but those who support the sendmail choice are few in number. I like Postfix, but agree Exim is easier to configure if less secure. Your paranoia will vary. Avoid sendmail and qmail if you can would be my advice |
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| 19:33.23 | stew | rohan: oh i just realized its only available in testing |
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| 19:33.31 | tracer- | hmm k thnx gnufan |
| 19:33.44 | gnufan | tracer-: choice is good for you -- we need a factoid to that effect |
| 19:34.00 | rohan | stew: aw, can i just "dpkg -i" the testing pkg, and then proceed to install amarok ? |
| 19:34.02 | gnufan | !choice |
| 19:34.03 | dpkg | [choice] consists of that mental process of thinking involved with the process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one for action. Simple examples can involve deciding whether to get up in the morning or go back to sleep, or selecting a given route to make a journey across a country. Philosophically, having choice implies the existence of free will and the antithesis of fate, chance and predestination. |
| 19:34.05 | tracer- | well think i'm gonna try postfix.. a few ppl on the same vps use it too.. |
| 19:34.33 | Obligatory | rohan: on my system I have: libtunepimp2c2a v0.3.0-9.1 installed. |
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| 19:34.51 | rohan | Obligatory: if you have its .deb, please pass it on to me |
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| 19:34.59 | rohan | i am really _addicted_ to amarok |
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| 19:35.11 | beardy | lazzarello: I take it that was sarcasm? |
| 19:35.18 | kspath | tracer-: If you are a Sendmail expert than sendmail is quite powerful. Postfix is QUITE decent and offers many good features that tend to default to best practices without having to do a bunch of odd things to make it work. Your mileage may vary. |
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| 19:36.09 | rohan | kspath: wow, you really have the patience to type all that ? |
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| 19:36.21 | Shadowcat | kspath must be bored |
| 19:36.26 | Shadowcat | we need to give him a new rubix cube |
| 19:36.28 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 19:36.30 | kspath | rohan: I can type like I breathe. I most often do not even have to think about it much. |
| 19:36.31 | rohan | lol, stew |
| 19:36.32 | rohan | :D |
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| 19:36.53 | kspath | Shadowcat: I am an unemployed sysadmin with Linux, BSD, and Solaris experience. |
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| 19:37.00 | rohan | kspath: I can type like I breathe. ==> as in speed, or as in the naturality ? |
| 19:37.21 | gnufan | Shadowcat: nah just scratch arrows on the rubik cube he has already -- then you have to line the arrows up as well -- fiendish improvement on the original |
| 19:37.44 | r_marvin | bleah, easy |
| 19:37.50 | rohan | so, if anyone has the libtunepimp2c2a v0.3.0-9.1 .deb, for sid or etch, please pass it on to me |
| 19:37.51 | kspath | rohan: My keyboard is almost an extension of my hands as far as what I want to express I usually can. I am not even a good typist however. |
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| 19:37.55 | r_marvin | only the center "cubes" get twisted |
| 19:38.03 | rohan | kspath: ah, great |
| 19:38.19 | kspath | rohan: I usually breathe slowly and I type slowly as well. |
| 19:38.21 | rohan | i wish i can downgrade from sid to etch ow :( |
| 19:38.30 | stew | rohan: checked the bts for amarok? libtunepimp2c2a was probably removed for a reason, like amarok needs to be compiled agains libtunepimp3 or something |
| 19:38.52 | Obligatory | rohan: hold on, I have the '.deb', but would prefer to forward a URL... |
| 19:39.03 | gnufan | rohan: go for the downgrade I say -- dire warnings asside downgrades have always worked fine for me ;) |
| 19:39.26 | rohan | gnufan: how do i downgrade? i know apt-get dist-upgrade wont work ... right ? |
| 19:39.34 | shogunx | kspath> i find that i get friendly with heavy keyboards... the one i am typing on now is an ibm noc keyboard circa 1984 with a 15 ft coiled cable. |
| 19:39.41 | rohan | Obligatory: ok, waiting |
| 19:39.52 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 19:39.52 | dpkg | i heard downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. |
| 19:39.56 | rohan | shogunx: does it even have a windows key ? |
| 19:40.09 | shogunx | rohan it does not:) |
| 19:40.11 | rohan | well, dvs , then how does gnufan do it ? |
| 19:40.17 | gilianima | is there a command that can take all matched patterns (using regexp) of a text file, and save them into files called pattern1, pattern2 ... ? |
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| 19:40.46 | rohan | shogunx: and its like the old ones which clank a lot, like a typewriter ? i LOVE those, wish i could have one of them. these silent ones just suck |
| 19:40.50 | kspath | tracer-: You might consider joing the postfix and/or exim mailing lists. |
| 19:40.52 | gnufan | rohan it is unsupported because of the binary file issue, but you just pin the distro you want at >999 priority, and "apt-get dist-upgrade" and prey hard -- http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/49 |
| 19:41.00 | gnufan | rohan: s/prey/pray/ |
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| 19:41.03 | tracer- | hmm mayb yes :) |
| 19:41.28 | rohan | gnufan: oh well, say, i will just reinstall debian to etch :S |
| 19:41.32 | beardy | gilianima: Probably easier to do 'command with regexp > file1 ; command2 with regexp2 > file2 ; and so on' |
| 19:41.39 | rohan | i have the d-i beta2 180 mb iso, gnufan |
| 19:41.43 | shogunx | rohan> the local school board tried to auction off old gear. when nobody bought, it hit a dumpster, where i rescued it. |
| 19:42.04 | gnufan | rohan: I wouldn't do it to something important, but my desktop box --- yeah -- you can always upgrade it to sid if something breaks (as long as it isn't apt or dpkg or debconf or...) |
| 19:42.09 | Obligatory | rohan: my connection is kinda slow now, if you google for 'libtunepimp2c2a_0.3.0-9.1_i386.deb' you may beat me to it... |
| 19:42.14 | rohan | shogunx: if you find more such keyboards, poke me :D |
| 19:42.19 | shogunx | rohan ibm part no 1391401 probably $2-3 nowadays. |
| 19:42.49 | tracer- | gnufan , kspath thanx for your help :) i just installed postfix.. had it run me through the config.. my problems are gone :) |
| 19:43.05 | rohan | Obligatory: atleast you can provide me the md5sum for it ? so i can check whether i downloaded the right thing ? |
| 19:43.08 | tracer- | where sendmail took me 2min to have the page load.. postfix does it in about half a second ^^ |
| 19:43.22 | shogunx | rohan actually, i'm getting ready to ecommerceize my recycling efforts... i'll send you a link when all the gear is listed. |
| 19:43.29 | kspath | tracer-: look thru your /var/log/mail.log and mail.info or whatever you have and keep an eye on it for abuse. |
| 19:43.30 | beardy | gilianima: Or you can write an awk script, a sed script, or a perl script, or another script. |
| 19:43.37 | gnufan | tracer-: I always found installing postfix was the quickest way of addressing any specific sendmail reconfiguration issue ;) |
| 19:43.41 | oskie | hmm, is there a way to change dpi from 75x75 to something more naturaly, 96x96? or perhaps that isn't very natural |
| 19:43.59 | tracer- | hehe well i learned my lesson gnufan :) |
| 19:44.08 | tracer- | and k kspath i'll keep an eye on those :) |
| 19:44.08 | rohan | shogunx: sure |
| 19:44.12 | gilianima | beardy: actually |
| 19:44.22 | kspath | gnufan: That must have been an issue of not knowing your MTA. There are those that would rather know more deeply than a power button. |
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| 19:45.06 | Obligatory | rohan: eb10156aa76a71105b50d8c4b9e76d33 /var/cache/apt/archives/libtunepimp2c2a_0.3.0-9.1_i386.deb |
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| 19:45.31 | gilianima | beardy: I have a vim regexp that works fine (/<div class="ctdico_entry\_.\{-}<\/div>), it matches all my patterns, but I don't how to write a script that would put all those matched patterns into differents files |
| 19:45.46 | rohan | Obligatory: yay matches .. thanks |
| 19:45.50 | biz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.51 | Obligatory | rohan: http://fatboy.umng.edu.co/debian/pool/main/libt/libtunepimp/ |
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| 19:45.57 | tracer- | uhm gnufan or kspath got a little question still :) how does an mta send the mail? does it queue up and send out its queue ever x minutes.. or does it work instantly? |
| 19:45.58 | biz | that's funny |
| 19:46.01 | biz | (: |
| 19:46.01 | rohan | Obligatory: yes, that was what i used :x |
| 19:46.06 | kernelpanic | hi everybody |
| 19:46.09 | Obligatory | rohan: ah, you beat me to it! |
| 19:46.14 | gnufan | kspath: I know -- I did rebuild sendmail from source once to try and keep it ticking along on our old Redhat boxes, it was very unpleasant... I dare say it can do anything Postfix can do, but they are still unpicking the security holes from it, really life is too short. Even the sendmail consortium are working on a Postfix clone |
| 19:46.47 | tracer- | lol :) |
| 19:46.51 | Obligatory | rohan: so does it send you to further dependency hell? |
| 19:47.19 | beardy | gilianima: vim (and vi) can be run in batch mode, can't it, read about it in it's documentation. Write a shellscript, and run vim, with that command, and redirect it to a file, or perhaps to another buffer in vim, if that is easier, and save it? |
| 19:47.47 | myren_ | even if i do 2>&1 i still get persistent errors from some programs, stuff like ** (xchm:2373): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1030 |
| 19:47.54 | myren_ | how to i make them shut up and not log to the consoel |
| 19:47.59 | kspath | gnufan: When postfix had all the compatibility in it was it a sendmail clone? The author of postfix just wrote it that way first. If you want to call the newer sendmail a close of postfix I guess that is your option/opinion. |
| 19:48.04 | stew | myren_: 2>/dev/null |
| 19:48.05 | rohan | Obligatory: no, it solves it, and i am downloading amarok-xine as we speak |
| 19:48.10 | rohan | Obligatory: lets hope it works |
| 19:48.13 | myren_ | erm, sorry, i meant 2>/dev/null |
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| 19:48.25 | kspath | s/close/clone/ |
| 19:48.29 | myren_ | its doing some kind of output that i cant seem to circumvent with pipe redirection |
| 19:48.29 | beardy | gilianima: Or instead of a script, a oneliner. |
| 19:48.35 | gnufan | kspath: no they are cloning the security architecture from Postfix pretty much -- go compare the two |
| 19:48.35 | rohan | myren_: foo > /dev/null 2> /dev/null 3> /dev/null |
| 19:48.45 | gilianima | beardy: what's that ? |
| 19:48.55 | chaedaeX | wowee wowee |
| 19:48.59 | Obligatory | 2nd call for network gurus... anybody up to helping troubleshoot an 'ipmasq' setup that doesn't seem to be working today? I'm not too swift here... |
| 19:49.00 | beardy | gilianima: A longer commandline command. |
| 19:49.14 | gnufan | kspath: sendmail didn't have a security architecture so Postfix didn't clone that bit did it. |
| 19:49.25 | gilianima | beardy: that's blur to me, would you have an example ? |
| 19:49.28 | Obligatory | rohan: I'm curious too... |
| 19:49.30 | rohan | what are my chances if i file a wishlist bug requesting kwin to be rebuilt using the patch from bugs.kde.org/124807 ?? |
| 19:49.31 | kspath | gnufan: I am not going to be able to explain it to you. |
| 19:49.37 | rohan | Obligatory: heh |
| 19:49.53 | shogunx | Obligatory, is /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward set to 1? |
| 19:50.35 | dn4 | whwere is the harddrive controllers in the make menuconfig? |
| 19:50.39 | gnufan | kspath: you don't need to explain anything -- I'm quite up on MTA history -- although I didn't realise it was Vixie who put the best bugs in ;) |
| 19:50.45 | Obligatory | shogunx: yes, it is. |
| 19:50.52 | rohan | dn4: use "/" key to search |
| 19:51.04 | shogunx | Obligatory, are the iptables modules loading properly? |
| 19:51.11 | kspath | gnufan: Things are not always as they seem. |
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| 19:52.32 | beardy | gilianima: Well, I mean a long single line of commands, like 'vim "your regexp" | wc -l | figlet > foo ; clear ; cat foo' A long line of commands, instead of writing a script to run the different steps. |
| 19:53.30 | rohan | does "Loic Minier" hang aroung here ? we are having almost a chat on bugs.debian.org :P |
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| 19:53.50 | Obligatory | shogunx: I think so. 'lsmod' shows "ip_tables 11160 3 iptable_mangle,iptable_filter,iptable_nat" |
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| 19:54.38 | shogunx | Obligatory, can you give me the line of the script that sets the masq? |
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| 19:55.30 | shogunx | Obligatory, like this: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 19:56.06 | vorpal | hey folks. i want to disable a login to a certain account , but want a group of people to be able to "su" to it. is there a way to do that? |
| 19:56.32 | Denmark | vorpal : Yes. |
| 19:56.35 | Obligatory | shogunx: where would this script be? Also, the "like this" -- that returns nothing. |
| 19:56.48 | ice_1963 | did nvidia get fixed yet and put back in contrib non-free for etch? |
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| 19:57.23 | xpato | hi |
| 19:57.23 | Denmark | ice_1963 : packages.debian.or |
| 19:57.25 | Denmark | ice_1963 : packages.debian.org |
| 19:57.37 | sorpigal | Obligatory: you need to find the script that issues a command such as that. |
| 19:57.43 | ice_1963 | debian.org |
| 19:58.01 | xpato | are any way the kernel reread the partition table after used cfdisk without need to reboot? |
| 19:58.24 | Denmark | !ecs |
| 19:58.24 | bobw | when I do an apt-get upgrade, i get a message saying "linux-image-2.6.15-1-868-smp needs to be reinstalled, but i cant find an archive for it???What should I do? |
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| 19:58.40 | evaded | xpato: Unmount and then re mount? |
| 19:58.40 | shogunx | Obligatory, i just put that line in a script in /usr/bin and call from /etc/rc2.d manually. not sure where it is on your system. the "like this..." do a iptables -L and see if a) the rule is listed and b) if the nat now works(assuming eth0 is the interface to the public internet) |
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| 19:58.50 | Denmark | bobw : bang head against table works for some... |
| 19:59.19 | shogunx | bobw 686, not 868 |
| 19:59.20 | bobw | Denmark, did that already..now i am resorting to irc |
| 19:59.33 | xpato | evaded, no, when i create a new partition i have to reboot |
| 19:59.38 | Denmark | bobw: :-) |
| 19:59.40 | bobw | shogunx, ok sure |
| 19:59.47 | evaded | xpato: Reboot then |
| 20:00.01 | xpato | i remember a way not to |
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| 20:00.12 | xpato | but i dont remember the command |
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| 20:00.23 | grendal_prime | google earth is a piece of shit |
| 20:00.27 | dn4 | what is the root-file system in the make menuconfig? |
| 20:00.28 | grendal_prime | oops did i type that or just think it? |
| 20:00.31 | Obligatory | shogunx: the client PC is on 'eth0'; hold on while I check the other stuff you mentioned... |
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| 20:00.51 | dvs | already? |
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| 20:01.00 | bobw | Denmark, in dpkg -l i see that package with a rHR next to it |
| 20:01.04 | gnufan | bobw it'll be 686 -- maybe linux-image-2.6.16-1-686-smp |
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| 20:01.25 | cire | mdadm --detail /dev/md0 says everything's fine, but trying to mount /dev/md0 returns "wrong fs type, bad option...". What should I do now? syslog tells me that hdc1 and hdd1 was not equal... What may I do? |
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| 20:02.01 | grendal_prime | is there a way to install mac dmg executables? |
| 20:02.02 | rohan | is there any reason why deb sid doesnt have apache 2.2 "already" ? |
| 20:02.09 | Denmark | bobw : Are you using that kernel? |
| 20:02.13 | grendal_prime | !dpkg osx |
| 20:02.14 | dpkg | [osx] a nice mum-and-dad-grade unix |
| 20:02.16 | Obligatory | shogunx: OK 'iptables -L' gives about 30 lines of stuff; what rule am I looking for? |
| 20:02.32 | rohan | lol, grendal_prime |
| 20:02.33 | grendal_prime | !dpkg dmg |
| 20:02.37 | bobw | Denmark, nope, i tried at one point but never got it working so I am just running a 2.4 series kernel and I want to make the machine right again |
| 20:02.39 | Denmark | Obligatory : those.. |
| 20:02.40 | evaded | Is there an GNU version of Google Earth, i remember it's only for m$, how come that? |
| 20:02.46 | grendal_prime | !dpkg mac |
| 20:02.46 | dpkg | hmm... mac is see also nameififrename |
| 20:02.49 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 20:02.55 | evaded | Is google not working on GNU/Linux?? |
| 20:03.04 | Denmark | bobw: remove the package would be my advice |
| 20:03.05 | grendal_prime | not google earth |
| 20:03.09 | grendal_prime | piece of shit |
| 20:03.20 | grendal_prime | been trying to wine it..no dice there ither |
| 20:03.28 | grendal_prime | not even with cedega |
| 20:03.30 | Denmark | java |
| 20:03.32 | Obligatory | shogunx: those.. what? Two dots? |
| 20:03.57 | grendal_prime | !dpkg googleearth |
| 20:04.02 | Obligatory | Denmark: sorry , I meant you not shogunx... |
| 20:04.09 | evaded | grendal_prime: I was thinking that Google runs 'GNU/Linux' :-( |
| 20:04.24 | evaded | grendal_prime: So it's looks not then |
| 20:05.08 | grendal_prime | well im sure they will..they really hate MS (your enemys enemy is your friend) something liek that |
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| 20:05.33 | evaded | !google earth |
| 20:05.38 | dpkg | Google says earth is at http://earth.google.com/ or http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/ or http://www.nineplanets.org/earth.html or http://www.seds.org/nineplanets/nineplanets/earth.html or http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ |
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| 20:05.47 | grendal_prime | but for right now google earth(did i mention its a piece of shit) does not have a linux client. |
| 20:05.53 | shogunx | Obligatory, hold on... my little girl curled up to sleep on my lap. |
| 20:05.54 | rohan | gnufan: errr, i lost your link to downgrading, can you please repost it ?? |
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| 20:06.15 | cire | sorry for reasking, but my md0 seems to have problems (mdadm --detail says active sync, but syslog tells me hdc1 was different to hdd1). What may I do? |
| 20:06.19 | gnufan | rohan: find it from my blog |
| 20:06.26 | gnufan | !tell rohan about gnufan |
| 20:06.30 | rohan | gnufan: and the link to your blog ? |
| 20:06.31 | rohan | oh ok |
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| 20:07.12 | gnufan | rohan: I'm distress you don't have it syndicated ;) |
| 20:07.51 | bobw | Denmark, there were problems with --purge so i had to reinstall the package then purge it again ...thanks for your help |
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| 20:08.04 | Obligatory | shogunx: Lullaby and goodnight... (family ought to precede IRC!!!) |
| 20:08.24 | Denmark | bobw: Cool :-) |
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| 20:09.50 | Obligatory | Really what I need is a good block diagram for 'ipmasq'... |
| 20:10.30 | reind | I'm trying to create a mirror of a drive with winxp on it (that has boot problems). Should I use dd for this? |
| 20:10.35 | gnufan | rohan: it really is quite a scary thing to do -- this is just like some desktop, and you have a backup ? |
| 20:10.40 | cire | okay, I'll redefine my question: When mdadm tells me my raid set was okay (active sync), why may syslog tell me hdc1 was different to hdd1? I thought if there is a difference in data, it would be either synced or mdadm would give me an error. |
| 20:10.50 | shogunx | Obligatory, agreed. make sure the script like the above lists your public internt interface, and it should work |
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| 20:11.51 | Obligatory | shogunx: I'll check it out, thanks for the help, but I have to scram. Bye all! |
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| 20:11.58 | vorpal | Denmark: mind sharing what ideas do you have for the situation i described earlier, i.e. preventing login to a an account, but allowing authenticated users to assume it's identity? |
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| 20:12.20 | Denmark | vorpal : Many ways to achieve.. |
| 20:12.22 | rohan | gnufan: yes, this is a "timepass" box -- my one and only p3 550mhz i have no other pc, and this is not a "production" box i.e. i dont do want work :D |
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| 20:12.45 | Denmark | vorpal : Whats the point? |
| 20:13.03 | Denmark | vorpal : To me it sounds like you might be wanting a group instead? |
| 20:13.35 | evaded | grendal_prime: The others looks not so nice than that of Google Earth, So i see an possibility. Try to write an app for GNU/Linux |
| 20:13.46 | rohan | gnufan: and, no, dont laugh at my pc, cos i aint gonna get a new one anytime soon ;) |
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| 20:14.04 | vorpal | Denmark: there is a 'common' account on my system that several people use in a shared workspace environment, and for politcal reasons i cannot prevent this from happening, and worse yet i cannot insist on a secure password |
| 20:14.44 | Denmark | vorpal : Time to run away .... and say "Don't say I didn't warn ya!!" ;-) |
| 20:14.55 | nite613_ | reind: dd, or dd_rescue (which is more tollerant of error) |
| 20:15.01 | vorpal | Denmark: what i would like to do is prevent this account from logining in except via an already authenticated account |
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| 20:15.27 | nikko | hi... I did a apt-get update / upgrade... now I can not start X.. the problem is "XIO: fatal IO error 104 on X server ...." ... apt-get upgrade asked me if I want to autodetect my keyboard but I think that I said no to that... can I undo that? plz someone... |
| 20:15.43 | gnufan | rohan: your PC is better than my laptop -- but I think making PCs last a long time is a sign of careful ownership -- although I was glad to upgrade from 200MHz Pentium to my not so new desktop ;) |
| 20:15.54 | Denmark | vorpal : They need gui access from this account? |
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| 20:16.11 | vorpal | Denmark: no |
| 20:16.19 | rohan | gnufan: heh, its not so nice when it takes 7 hours to compile qt4 (not on debian ofcourse, i used the pkgs) |
| 20:16.25 | Denmark | Award : You're a BIOS? |
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| 20:17.11 | Denmark | vorpal : Tell me more... |
| 20:17.11 | Award | Denmark: Beep. Beepbeep. |
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| 20:17.27 | Denmark | Award : Got a bad gfx card? |
| 20:17.34 | kspath | Award: morse code? |
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| 20:17.49 | Denmark | kspath : Mobo lingo ... |
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| 20:18.04 | kspath | Denmark: error beeps? |
| 20:18.22 | gnufan | vorpal is this a server - can you not just use ssh DenyUser -- or do they login in other ways? |
| 20:18.30 | evaded | Award: The beeps are an code to explain you wath exactly goes wrong |
| 20:18.31 | rohan | ok, bye all, cya .. gn |
| 20:18.40 | Denmark | kspath : Thats my guess. :-) |
| 20:19.01 | Denmark | kspath : Like "beep"x6 == bad ram or something. |
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| 20:19.13 | Denmark | (bad or missing) |
| 20:19.21 | cureless | 3 beeps |
| 20:19.22 | evaded | Award: You can see in you're manual of that motherboard or on the web to see what it significate. Yes that gfx |
| 20:19.24 | mentor | hmmm. |
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| 20:19.30 | mentor | Is it customary to have a |
| 20:19.37 | dvs | a...? |
| 20:19.46 | mentor | local hostname to local IP address in /etc/hosts |
| 20:19.47 | mentor | ? |
| 20:20.01 | Denmark | evaded : Or both. M$ also sells a purple book where the codes are listed. |
| 20:20.02 | kspath | mentor? |
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| 20:20.30 | Award | evaded: It was a joke, read up further :) |
| 20:20.34 | evaded | Denmark: I not know about M$ shit stuff and not want to know anymore! ;-) |
| 20:20.39 | kspath | mentor: I often put localnet hosts in /etc/hosts to save querying via net for things that are known/common/static. |
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| 20:21.17 | gnasch | good evening - I have a question: after upgrading my debian sid (kanotix) from xorg 6.9 to Xorg 7, I lack all letters except 'e' on my keyboard, when in Kdm. Numbers and special characters still work; when logging in to kde, all letters work. All letters also work in texmode terminals. Did dpkg-reconfigure of kdm and xserver-xorg. Any hints please? |
| 20:21.21 | kspath | mentor: like if a server depended on services from 5-10 other servers on the localnet I would put them all in /etc/hosts |
| 20:21.27 | gnasch | oh - and XkbLayout is de_CH; XkbModel is pc105; a standard pc keyboard. |
| 20:21.30 | evaded | Award: I have miss somethings ;-) |
| 20:21.55 | r_marvin | gnasch: see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 20:21.56 | kspath | mentor: That was for things that rarely change ELSE I would have a localscript change /etc/hosts every N minutes or hours. |
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| 20:22.50 | gnasch | r_marvin: ok will take a look |
| 20:23.04 | kspath | mentor: You can have a local bind or djbdns or maradns or whatever you want instead. All depends on your needs and your resources. |
| 20:23.07 | mentor | ah |
| 20:23.15 | mentor | my problem was with apache and reverse DNS. |
| 20:23.40 | kspath | mentor: apache is querying for revDNS for localmachines or remote? |
| 20:24.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:24.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:24.16 | kspath | mentor: /etc/hosts is only for rarely changing things you have control over mostly. Or if you want to give a default answer to some things. |
| 20:24.26 | trueno | How can I recuersively copy directories without overwriting the existing files? |
| 20:24.28 | mentor | kspath: Sorry, at one point I had to put a hostname 'foo' which is not 'localhost' to IP mapping in my /etc/hosts for Aapche. I can't remember why |
| 20:24.37 | tarzeau | trueno: rsync? |
| 20:24.43 | mentor | kspath: The reason being that I was going to add a script to ifupdown |
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| 20:25.21 | kspath | mentor: and remote querying could not be depended on and there might not be a local cache at that point. |
| 20:25.38 | mentor | kspath: Something like that, yes. |
| 20:25.41 | kspath | mentor: /etc/hosts would be useful assuming it was something static |
| 20:25.59 | kspath | mentor: or if it just wanted an answer and the answer did not matter |
| 20:26.04 | mentor | kspath: Well, the point was that I could have ifupdown handle changing the entry |
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| 20:26.37 | madroach | How do I set the local hostname?? |
| 20:26.53 | julian | hello, does anyone know, how i can get cronjobs from a database, and not from the crontab? is there a plugin für cron avaible or another program which can get cronjobs from a database? |
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| 20:26.55 | madroach | Sorry, I meant the domainname. |
| 20:26.55 | mentor | $EDITOR /etc/hostname; /etc/hostname start |
| 20:26.56 | phretor | hi there |
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| 20:27.37 | phretor | where to start for connecting an external display to my debian powered laptop? I connected it but the indicator still yellow, not green. Suggestions? |
| 20:27.38 | kspath | mentor: be careful with /etc/hosts, you might want to add rcs or cvs or svn or some kind of change control of any kind to that so you know what it was set to. At least log it. |
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| 20:28.08 | cureless | phretor: look for information on your video card. |
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| 20:28.15 | AciD | anybody had problems with the x11-common_1%3a7.0.14_i386.deb package ? the postinst script die saying "Could not remove /usr/X11R6/bin. Is not yet empty" (but I tried to install it with the --force-all switch..) |
| 20:28.29 | Denmark | kspath : Carefull! He is @ now! |
| 20:28.30 | kspath | In case some of you do not know. /etc/hosts existed before what we call DNS now existed. |
| 20:28.41 | allefant | what could be wrong that LANG and LC_ALL are undefined for me? |
| 20:28.45 | mentor | oh well, I can't remember |
| 20:28.50 | Denmark | kspath : Not mine, unfortunately. |
| 20:29.09 | allefant | /etc/default/locale has LANG=en_US.UTF-8 in it.. but it seems to get ignored when booting |
| 20:29.10 | Denmark | stew: Hehehe :) |
| 20:29.21 | mentor | madroach: Setup the hostname in the appropriate domain, then add 'search domainname' to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:29.24 | kspath | There was a time when you had to download the list of all hosts that was the internet. |
| 20:29.26 | Denmark | stew: chmod +x /etc/hostname |
| 20:29.35 | os360 | what's a decent console irc client |
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| 20:29.37 | allefant | os360: irssi |
| 20:29.42 | mentor | Denmark: I have been @ for some time... |
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| 20:29.55 | os360 | that's the one I just apt installed |
| 20:30.02 | kspath | Denmark: Why would I need to be careful? |
| 20:30.04 | os360 | but I can't seem to get connected |
| 20:30.08 | phretor | cureless, I found that CTRL-F5 switches between internal to external. Is there any way to set up X to switch between two different resolutions as well? |
| 20:30.13 | mentor | :P |
| 20:30.18 | kspath | Denmark: I was not insulting mentor. I was trying to assist mentor. |
| 20:30.29 | Denmark | kspath : Better safe than sorry, as the USA'ians say.. |
| 20:30.40 | cureless | phretor: that should be automatic with [control alt +] |
| 20:30.41 | mentor | Better overkill than underkill? |
| 20:30.51 | os360 | is there a basic tutorial for irssi anywhere |
| 20:30.52 | kspath | Denmark: OR as you break it you own it as the europeans say now. |
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| 20:30.57 | Denmark | mentor : I am just joking .. you used to be a gentle guy. :) |
| 20:30.59 | mentor | The reason I'm useless is that I don't spen enough time on IRC any more |
| 20:31.05 | allefant-irssi | os360: /server irc.freenode.net worked for me |
| 20:31.15 | mentor | flup |
| 20:31.15 | dooglus | I'm trying to use mplayer to play a movie that's stored on a different machine on the local network, but it keeps skipping. is there some way to get mplayer to buffer a few seconds? |
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| 20:31.27 | Denmark | mentor : You might still be |
| 20:31.33 | dooglus | I can copy the whole movie much quicker than playing it, so there's enough bandwidth. |
| 20:31.35 | evaded | os360: Look to the doc of the package, and on the website of it |
| 20:31.45 | Denmark | not everyone is currpoted right away by pwr |
| 20:31.53 | madroach | mentor: So how do I setup the hostname in the appropriate domain? By editing /etc/hostname or /etc/hosts?? |
| 20:32.16 | os360 | well I took a look at the docs but they go into a lot of config details |
| 20:32.16 | evaded | os360: In /usr/share/doc/irssi-text for example |
| 20:32.30 | kspath | Denmark: some are even corrupted before they gain power. At least some are compromised before gaining power so others can control(influence) them. |
| 20:32.46 | evaded | os360: That's always the case, you need to get what you want to get |
| 20:33.31 | Denmark | kspath : Yes, but I am not @ here. |
| 20:33.48 | os360 | that's why I said "basic" - just to get you started with the default config |
| 20:33.54 | kspath | Denmark: You can say op. No one will bite you. |
| 20:33.54 | evaded | os360: On http://www.irssi.org/documentation there is also good explainations... |
| 20:33.56 | Denmark | kspath :-D |
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| 20:34.12 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody knows the command line to add a audio (from a .mp3 file) to a avi file ? |
| 20:34.20 | Denmark | op |
| 20:34.20 | Denmark | Did it work? |
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| 20:34.31 | kspath | Denmark: what? |
| 20:34.33 | os360 | just the connection that doesn't work |
| 20:34.45 | Denmark | kspath : Ahh .. you don't like the word @. |
| 20:34.55 | kspath | Denmark: @ is a word? |
| 20:34.57 | os360 | keeps telling me: Irssi - not connected to server |
| 20:35.05 | Denmark | kspath : Like love |
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| 20:35.12 | kspath | os360: /connect irc.debian.org |
| 20:35.17 | grendal_prime | did i mention that google earth is a.....piece of....wait ....ya i did |
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| 20:35.32 | Denmark | kspath : It doesn't matter, its the connection it implies that is important. |
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| 20:35.57 | kspath | grendal_prime: I heard that google earth and amazon are P.O.S. |
| 20:36.09 | os360 | must be my setup - tells me it couldn't "assign requested address" |
| 20:36.18 | os360 | same as the others I tried |
| 20:36.27 | Denmark | kspath : The train man is evil. |
| 20:36.36 | evaded | kspath: it's /server irc.debian.org?? |
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| 20:36.51 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 20:37.04 | evaded | os360: Look to what i have say to kspath ^^ |
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| 20:37.39 | os360 | thanks evaded - but it does the same thing |
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| 20:38.03 | evaded | os360: I do '/server irc.freenode.net' |
| 20:38.16 | os360 | I tried a couple of other clients - BitchX and ircII and it worked fine |
| 20:38.30 | os360 | only I didn't like them much that is |
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| 20:38.45 | evaded | os360: And that work been here |
| 20:38.50 | evaded | os360: ^^ |
| 20:39.21 | evaded | os360: I guess that you have been Inetnet on that box |
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| 20:39.32 | kspath | evaded: Have you ever tried up arrow in your irc client? |
| 20:39.42 | green_earz | baroni: have a look at mplex |
| 20:39.53 | baroni | green_earz: ok, thanks |
| 20:39.55 | evaded | kspath: Yes, why? |
| 20:39.58 | green_earz | np |
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| 20:40.07 | os360 | well yeah.. I'm using chatzilla right now.. |
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| 20:40.17 | evaded | kspath: A bit to many <enter> i guess |
| 20:40.30 | kspath | evaded: saying ^^ is not always clear especially if you said several things in the last couple of minutes. |
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| 20:41.23 | evaded | kspath: Yes, right, i wanted only to show that i'm been joined here with irssi, yes i have not show it in the right way :-/ |
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| 20:41.30 | Kurtism | does anybody know what time it is? |
| 20:41.36 | os360 | anyone knows what irc client this is on this screenshot? 'http://phraktured.net/foo.png' |
| 20:41.40 | w-vl | 10.41 pm |
| 20:41.49 | Kurtism | no? I'll tell you what time! it's peanut butter jelly time |
| 20:41.58 | kspath | Kurtism: Do you want your time zone or UTC or GMT? |
| 20:41.59 | shogunx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.17 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 20:42.37 | w-vl | does anyone know how to fix grub error 18? |
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| 20:42.43 | evaded | os360: I think it's irssi with another 'style' |
| 20:42.45 | jair | guys it is a list of compatibility hardware for debian or linux in general? |
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| 20:43.01 | evaded | os360: Like you can also download many styles you want and use it |
| 20:43.14 | limpio | jair: check debian.org |
| 20:43.17 | os360 | evaded: thanks |
| 20:43.39 | kspath | jair: search engines are your best bet though your distribution might have something it tends to not be all encompassing. |
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| 20:43.51 | jair | limpio, nice very accurate from there is where I am coming from |
| 20:43.51 | os360 | evaded: I saw that on the irssi page - but none quite as good as this sc |
| 20:44.04 | evaded | jair: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 20:44.05 | w-vl | has anyone experience with error 18 when loading GRUB? |
| 20:44.06 | jair | ok thank you |
| 20:44.09 | tuv | i'm going to buy a laptop hard drive, any suggestions? |
| 20:44.10 | limpio | jair: and you didn't find it? |
| 20:44.13 | Denmark | hi tuv |
| 20:44.16 | jair | evaded, thanks |
| 20:44.22 | Denmark | tuv: seagate |
| 20:44.24 | tuv | Denmark, hi |
| 20:44.25 | jair | limpio, ok I will go back again |
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| 20:44.28 | Tela | Anyone know how to fix a bug where after updating X, Emacs becomes completely fragged displaying only null characters? |
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| 20:44.38 | kspath | tuv: cool and quiet |
| 20:44.39 | stew | w-vl: check /usr/share/doc/grub/ |
| 20:44.50 | w-vl | great, thx! |
| 20:44.52 | tuxedup | i have a british keyboard but I am unable to get xorg to print the pound sign it just keeps printing 3. I selected 104 as my keyboard type but it still doesnt allow it. Im using a keyboard with the windows logo between ctrl and alt. I selected intl as the varient. What else could I try to get it to write the pound sign? |
| 20:44.56 | stew | Tela: sounds like missing fonts |
| 20:45.08 | thingfish | w-vl: also this might help, dunno...http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18 |
| 20:45.20 | os360 | evaded: though I'm not sure it's irssi because if you look at the bottom of the screen |
| 20:45.22 | Tela | stew: Know what the default XEmacs font is then? |
| 20:45.43 | os360 | evaded: gnu/screen has the session as an "irc" session |
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| 20:45.52 | w-vl | also thx thingfish ;-) |
| 20:45.55 | simonrvn | the fish thing :) |
| 20:46.00 | kspath | tuv: Well you will NOT want the US keyboard layout is my generic guess. |
| 20:46.03 | thingfish | hehe yep |
| 20:46.04 | simonrvn | thingfish: hi :) |
| 20:46.11 | thingfish | hi simonrvn, how goes it? |
| 20:46.16 | simonrvn | ok, you? |
| 20:46.18 | kspath | tuxedup : Well you will NOT want the US keyboard layout is my generic guess. |
| 20:46.18 | mne | how can I upgrade my subversion database ? I just upgraded subversion and now it complains that the repository database is old |
| 20:46.23 | thingfish | ok here, too. |
| 20:46.26 | simonrvn | good |
| 20:46.29 | kspath | tuv: sorry hit enter too fast |
| 20:46.30 | tuv | kspath, how long have you been talking to me? |
| 20:46.34 | stew | Tela: no. what version of x are you running? |
| 20:46.54 | tuv | kspath, i thought there was a "tuv" before i joined the channel :) |
| 20:47.02 | kspath | tuv: tab matched tu to tuv and I hit enter too fast. |
| 20:47.05 | tuxedup | iv told xorg that it should gb as the launugauge and keybaord etc |
| 20:47.20 | evaded | os360: I not see it, i guess to bad eyes, i see not so good |
| 20:47.29 | stew | !CMD: debwiki (.*?) (.*?) is ($1,$what): <reply> $1: http://wiki.debian.org/$what |
| 20:47.34 | limpio | jair: in google.com/linux "debian + hardware compatibility" = http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 20:48.29 | stew | dpkg: CMD: debwiki (.*?) (.*?) is ($1,$what): <reply> $1: http://wiki.debian.org/$what |
| 20:48.29 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 20:48.29 | stew | !hi |
| 20:48.29 | dpkg | hello, stew |
| 20:48.29 | kspath | tuxedup: What makes you think the british monetary pound it related to the 3 key? |
| 20:48.29 | stew | odd |
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| 20:48.29 | tuxedup | becaue its written on the third key above the 3 |
| 20:48.30 | Tela | stew: 7.0.0 |
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| 20:48.31 | simonrvn | !debwiki foo Bar |
| 20:48.31 | dpkg | foo: http://wiki.debian.org/Bar |
| 20:48.33 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:48.35 | os360 | evaded: last but one line on the right - session 0 is bot.. session 1 is [irc] .. session 2 is mail |
| 20:48.40 | stew | !debwiki Tela Xorg69To7 |
| 20:48.40 | dpkg | Tela: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 20:48.48 | kspath | tuxedup: On my US style keyboard the hash # is above 3 though there are MANY keyboard layouts out there. |
| 20:49.02 | zrin | how to view SGML with <!doctype linuxdoc system> ? |
| 20:49.03 | os360 | evaded: and the way he's set up screen the [] mean that's it the active session |
| 20:49.07 | Tela | Sweet |
| 20:49.12 | jair | limpio, thank you I am sorry I was checking other stuff about the controller from dell |
| 20:49.16 | jair | limpio, ok |
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| 20:49.22 | hrtp | is there an stable version of 2.6.* kernel? |
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| 20:49.24 | nick21 | hello; i have a problem with debian sarge; i can't get start-up script working |
| 20:49.26 | simonrvn | zrin: with the linuxdoc packges, or just a pager ;p |
| 20:49.27 | limpio | jair: np |
| 20:49.32 | evaded | os360: I not know about it :-/ |
| 20:49.42 | zrin | simonrvn: ok, thank you :) |
| 20:49.44 | relis | Anyone here install debian through Kanotix? |
| 20:49.51 | r_marvin | hrtp: yes |
| 20:49.54 | hrtp | im runnin sarge 2.4.27 |
| 20:50.04 | tuxedup | yeh i know but here in britain the # is next to the enter all the keys are corrdect exceot i cant get it to do a popund sign. do i need to change the keyboard number to something other then 104 or something? |
| 20:50.10 | stew | relis: you mean using debootstrap? |
| 20:50.11 | r_marvin | just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 modutils |
| 20:50.27 | kspath | tuxedup: Did you try other layouts? |
| 20:50.29 | r_marvin | !2.6 |
| 20:50.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, 2.6 is /msg dpkg kp or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
| 20:50.29 | hrtp | r_marvin: what about the headers and stuff? |
| 20:50.30 | os360 | evaded: usually the screen session is named after the currently-running command |
| 20:50.53 | r_marvin | oh, module-init-tools , not modutils |
| 20:51.00 | r_marvin | hrtp: those too |
| 20:51.05 | evaded | os360: I guess, you can personalize it like you want |
| 20:51.13 | r_marvin | kernel-headers-2.6 and kernel-source-2.6 |
| 20:51.19 | tuxedup | well all the opther kleyboard layouts are not for my keyboard type they all say they have keys that are not on mine or mine has keys that are not included, im just using a stamndard cheap keyboard |
| 20:51.20 | hrtp | aight, let me spin sypnatic real quick |
| 20:51.34 | r_marvin | just use your synaptic or aptitude or apt-get or whatever |
| 20:52.05 | nick21 | can smbd pls help me ? i have a problem with debian sarge; i can't get start-up script (rc.local) working |
| 20:52.08 | limpio | tuxedup: i use a spanish one, try 105 and eng_GB |
| 20:52.35 | limpio | tuxedup, sorry en_GB |
| 20:52.50 | stew | nick21: /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 20:53.52 | tuxedup | well its already got my keyboard layout as gb so im guessing im using thr wrong keyboard model number i thought 104 would be thr correctone |
| 20:54.12 | nse | is there a way to remove black lines from an output? |
| 20:54.20 | nse | i mean _blank_ |
| 20:54.53 | kspath | grep for something that occurs in all lines that are not blank is a simple way |
| 20:55.33 | nse | hum.. i think i got it! |
| 20:55.35 | r_marvin | grep . |
| 20:55.56 | r_marvin | or grep -v ^$ if you want to be strict :) |
| 20:56.20 | kspath | nse: Where $ is beginning of line and $ is endofline |
| 20:56.25 | nse | r_marvin: that's what i got in mind, it wasn't just in my fingers... |
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| 20:56.41 | kspath | ^ is beginning of line |
| 20:56.42 | nse | yes you mean ^ is the beginning |
| 20:56.49 | chuso | hi |
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| 20:56.57 | chuso | first of all sorry for my english |
| 20:56.58 | kspath | my keyboard buffer(brain) had a little issue. |
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| 20:57.18 | kspath | nse: My brain sometimes has overflows. |
| 20:57.38 | chuso | i want to install all dependencies from a package when a I do "apt-get source package". Is there any way to do that? |
| 20:57.43 | kspath | nse: I am rewriting the software on my (brain). |
| 20:57.54 | nse | kspath: take care |
| 20:57.56 | hrtp | what's the diff between kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 and kernel-image-2.6 ? |
| 20:57.58 | stew | chuso: you mean: apt-get build-dep package ? |
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| 20:58.16 | nse | kspath: in which langueg it is written? |
| 20:58.27 | chuso | hummmm i dont know stew ... i'm going to see it |
| 20:58.34 | nse | i mean that langueg is language |
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| 20:58.38 | kspath | nse: fubar is what it is present written in. |
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| 20:58.42 | r_marvin | nse: brainfuck , of course |
| 20:58.49 | stew | hrtp: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 is a specific kernel, kernel-image-2.6 is a vitual package which just depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:59.12 | hrtp | what you mean vitual package? |
| 20:59.20 | dooglus | he means 'virtual' |
| 20:59.22 | abrotman | virtual |
| 20:59.23 | kspath | nse: I am converting over to using tard from fubar as the language of choice for my brain. |
| 20:59.27 | hrtp | oh ic |
| 20:59.32 | abrotman | you see? |
| 20:59.33 | hrtp | is it safe to install both? |
| 20:59.38 | jair | abrotman, my good friend abrotman :) |
| 20:59.46 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:59.57 | dooglus | install the shorter named one and it will install the longer named one for you |
| 21:00.14 | hrtp | what? |
| 21:00.14 | tuxedup | i got the £ sign to work now using the 105 keyboard option, now the ¨ doesnt work its showing that instead of speach marks and i have to hold down shift and press 2 twice before it prints it the same with the ´ key, any ideas whats wrong here? |
| 21:00.18 | jair | abrotman, how are you, i was just trying to test a dell CERC ATA RAID controller, but I am not sure if debian will support it |
| 21:00.30 | jair | abrotman, I am cheking also in the dell wed site |
| 21:00.38 | chuso | stew: that is exactly what I need :D thank you very much |
| 21:00.41 | dooglus | hrtp: best is just to install "linux-686" |
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| 21:00.55 | dooglus | hrtp: (or similar, depending on the architecture) |
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| 21:01.05 | kspath | tuxedup: you might be better off with 104 and doing a little mod |
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| 21:01.21 | Soldier | hi |
| 21:01.36 | stew | !+info linux-686 |
| 21:01.38 | dpkg | Package 'linux-686' does not exist. |
| 21:01.51 | kspath | tuxedup: Unless you are doing a lot of financial stuffs do you really need the british monetary symbol? |
| 21:01.56 | abrotman | jair: CERC is pretty bad |
| 21:01.57 | abrotman | !cerc |
| 21:01.58 | dpkg | it has been said that cerc is see perc |
| 21:02.00 | abrotman | !perc |
| 21:02.01 | dpkg | perc is, like, See 'perc3 iso' |
| 21:02.03 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:02.13 | nse | heuaehehahu |
| 21:02.47 | abrotman | it's like a darn treasure map with the bot .. all riddles .. "What has four legs and is always ready to travel?" |
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| 21:02.56 | kspath | tuxedup: if you are ONLY missing that symbol just find what all key combos are and find which one is the british monetary symbol. |
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| 21:03.02 | dooglus | stew: sorry, that's the ubuntu talking |
| 21:03.25 | js_ | are there xorg packages for sarge? |
| 21:03.30 | abrotman | js_: /topic |
| 21:03.31 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: A restless spider that's missing half it's legs? |
| 21:03.39 | abrotman | an elephant? |
| 21:03.46 | kspath | tuxedup: except for coding/scripting I would almost never need $ for monetary crap |
| 21:03.50 | scarynetworkguy | Nah. Can't be an elephant. |
| 21:03.53 | js_ | abrotman: oh, thanks |
| 21:03.53 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:03.55 | scarynetworkguy | An egg! |
| 21:04.01 | tuxedup | i have tried all of the possable combos and it wont print the pound sign |
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| 21:04.09 | hrtp | Debian patches to Linux 2.4.27 |
| 21:04.09 | hrtp | This package includes the patches used to produce the prepackaged |
| 21:04.09 | hrtp | kernel-source-2.4.27 package. They should be applied to a pristine |
| 21:04.09 | hrtp | Linux 2.4.27 kernel. |
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| 21:04.11 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: a nun and a pervert with a stun gun? |
| 21:04.13 | tuxedup | il ry some other keyboard codes out |
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| 21:04.21 | abrotman | !flood |
| 21:04.22 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:04.22 | hrtp | shit |
| 21:04.25 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: That's it! |
| 21:04.28 | dvs | no, flood |
| 21:04.28 | nick21 | tuxedup: look for the ascii code and use it |
| 21:04.29 | hrtp | didn't know it was 4 lines |
| 21:04.31 | hrtp | anyway |
| 21:04.34 | hrtp | wtf is this? |
| 21:04.36 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: see .. i know these things ... |
| 21:04.42 | nse | what is in xorg 7 that makes it so special? |
| 21:04.45 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You do. |
| 21:04.56 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you should see what i know about aardvarks |
| 21:04.57 | stew | nse: nothing, the only difference between 6.9 and 7 is the packaging |
| 21:05.02 | kspath | tuxedup: there are utils that will print all combos and some editors will have pulldown for rarely used symbols |
| 21:05.13 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I don't think I'm old enough. |
| 21:05.17 | abrotman | prolly not |
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| 21:09.15 | nse | is there a way to grep for two lines matching two different patterns? |
| 21:09.25 | nse | i mean for lines matching.. |
| 21:09.42 | abrotman | {blah|asdf} ? |
| 21:09.44 | Denmark | nse: Most likely yes. |
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| 21:10.11 | kspath | nse: have you considered reading man grep and learn regex regexp ? |
| 21:10.29 | os360 | was looking at some weechat screenshots - is there a weechat .deb package anywhere? |
| 21:10.46 | kspath | os360: apt-cache search weechat |
| 21:11.01 | os360 | kspath: that's what I did |
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| 21:11.43 | tuxedup | i think i have sorted the keyboard problem all the keys seem to be workingand f1-f8 i dont know how I can test the rest of the f# keys to make sure |
| 21:12.06 | kspath | os360: Your best bet is to find the site for weechat and seeing what it says about a .deb and perhaps a mailing list and/or irc channel about it. |
| 21:12.06 | nse | kspath: sorry, i will not be lazy anymore |
| 21:12.08 | os360 | kspath: am running sarge |
| 21:12.20 | tuxedup | thbaks for the help |
| 21:13.01 | jair | abrotman, so that means that the CERC wil not be supported by Debian? |
| 21:13.14 | abrotman | jair: i didn't say that .. i just said it was crap :) |
| 21:13.51 | jair | abrotman, ok but if I do not have anything else not even money to buy another one? what I should do? |
| 21:13.57 | jair | abrotman, not install it? |
| 21:14.13 | kspath | abrotman: save your money? |
| 21:14.20 | kspath | jair: save your money? |
| 21:14.30 | os360 | kspath: thanks there is a #weechat irc channel |
| 21:14.38 | kspath | os360: good luck |
| 21:14.43 | jair | kspath, hahaha |
| 21:15.05 | jair | kspath, i mean that is all I have in my hardware stuff a reaid controller CERC from DELL |
| 21:15.34 | kspath | jair: I am sorry. |
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| 21:16.09 | jair | kspath, so i will really try to see if I can install it. |
| 21:16.25 | jair | abrotman, have you ever install debian using hardware raid? |
| 21:16.29 | kspath | jair: a PERC scared me as a small child so I just avoid Dell |
| 21:16.55 | jair | kspath, yes i know but this is a place where that dell stuff was in place already |
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| 21:17.30 | jair | I need to find a how-to or manual where I can have an idea of configure the raid software and hardware in debian sarg |
| 21:17.38 | kspath | jair: The hardware raid I knew was treated as scsi device and the OS had nothing else to do with it and I was HAPPY. |
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| 21:18.02 | michael117 | When setting up remote desktop though VNC, does the host computer transmit all audio streams to the viewer? |
| 21:18.14 | jair | kspath, but then you did not configure the raid for fault tolerance? |
| 21:18.24 | limpio | tuxedup, do you use kde by any chance? |
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| 21:18.54 | abrotman | jair: that's how sane people do it |
| 21:19.01 | tuxedup | nope, not at present is intering with my gnome at the moment going to switching over to it soon though |
| 21:19.18 | kspath | jair: The RAID was not controlled by the OS. |
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| 21:19.37 | nse | abrotman: {shah|yaya} my shell is interpreting | as a pipe |
| 21:19.38 | jair | kspath, ok so it was controlled by another external application? |
| 21:19.42 | kspath | jair: I had a terminal interface to the RAID. It was SWEET. |
| 21:19.51 | jair | kspath, hmmm |
| 21:19.59 | mrkris | anyone know of any cheap sata arrays? |
| 21:20.09 | stew | nse: escape it with \, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:20.11 | jair | kspath, I am ignorant about that can you give me more details? |
| 21:20.24 | abrotman | nse: man grep .. man egrep .. keep looking |
| 21:20.31 | Daveman | sup abrotman? |
| 21:20.33 | kspath | jair: The RAID I used was on the card and I used a serial/terminal interface independent of the OS. |
| 21:20.45 | limpio | tuxedup, i don't use kde either, but i read there's something called 'kcharselect' some charmap deal |
| 21:20.53 | jair | kspath, ohh it was a pci card? |
| 21:21.12 | nse | abrotman: i am trying to tell grep to print lines matching one pattern OR other pattern] |
| 21:21.17 | kspath | jair: Does your CERC have options key at boot up independent of ANY OS? |
| 21:21.34 | kspath | jair: Does your BIOS control the RAID card? |
| 21:21.35 | stew | nse: use egrep and seperate the patterns by |, don't use {} |
| 21:21.44 | jair | kspath, i think it have some instructions to control it yes, like an independent bios |
| 21:21.45 | kspath | jair: Learn about your card. |
| 21:21.51 | jair | kspath, ok |
| 21:21.53 | Denmark | (or something) |
| 21:21.54 | kspath | jair: STUDY it. |
| 21:21.54 | tuxedup | well as far as I can tell everythings working as far as f8 works and all the character keys print what they are supposed be doing, so its good enough for me |
| 21:22.04 | tuxedup | thansk for the help limpio |
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| 21:22.07 | abrotman | nse: man egrep |
| 21:22.10 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 21:22.17 | limpio | tuxedup, np |
| 21:22.23 | nse | abrotman, stew: ok |
| 21:22.27 | Daveman | :) |
| 21:22.33 | dn4 | holy crpa I have sound!! |
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| 21:22.46 | abrotman | stew: sorry ... that was my fault .. brain fart :) |
| 21:22.47 | dvs | dn4: holy carp!? |
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| 21:22.53 | abrotman | LIONS! |
| 21:23.13 | Niklas_E | how is debian to install? Does it work good and programs like mythtv is easy to install? |
| 21:23.26 | jair | kspath, yes i will do that don't worry :) |
| 21:23.32 | dvs | Niklas_E: depends on the hardware |
| 21:23.52 | Niklas_E | well it is better then slackware right? |
| 21:23.59 | dvs | Niklas_E: YES! |
| 21:24.01 | abrotman | that's up to you to decide |
| 21:24.05 | tuxedup | th strange thins is though the fist tiem i install debian it detected my keyboard and its type fine. i had to reinstall and now it didnt, i perhaps it was because even though i had desktop instll selected it never actually download x-window-system or xserver-xorg just gnome and the various desktop apps, sorted now anyway, i know what to do in the future |
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| 21:24.20 | nse | what!? |
| 21:24.31 | Niklas_E | mthanks |
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| 21:25.38 | sandman | Is there a commandline mp3 player that can use .pls files? |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | probably |
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| 21:26.27 | nse | stew: it is not working, even with egrep bash is interpreting | as a pipe |
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| 21:26.43 | sandman | I figured it would be just a simple mpg321 -@ filename.pls |
| 21:26.44 | kspath | nse | is a PIPE! |
| 21:26.44 | abrotman | nse: how about you show us the whole command instead of us guessing at your typos? |
| 21:26.50 | sandman | But that does not work.. it has problems parsing the file |
| 21:26.51 | stew | nse: yes, you have to escape it by quoting the entire regex, or by putting a \ before the pipe |
| 21:27.19 | oigres | Guys, I'm compiling tcl for a sarge machine (Have to do it by hand). Downloaded the source from a local mirror and when running the configure it says: configure: line 7338: ` OSF*)' ..... Can't figure out how to fix this apparent "syntax error" ... Any thoughts on this? |
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| 21:28.37 | Daveman | abrotman, you enjoying the weather this week? :) |
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| 21:29.11 | nse | abrotman, kspath, stew: it did now. be patient with me because i am learning the basics |
| 21:29.29 | john_doe | I need all the information that I can possibly get about a nic on my lan. I have ip and mac. What can I do and what can I get? |
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| 21:29.58 | streuner | john_doe: ifconfig? |
| 21:29.59 | kspath | nse: knowing grep and regex is one of the things that experienced sysadmins are supposed to know. That is why people should want experienced sysadmins. |
| 21:30.25 | john_doe | streuner, it's not my nic, I don't know who owns it... |
| 21:30.48 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm in my office .. no :) |
| 21:30.55 | abrotman | and i must now go get a haircut |
| 21:31.05 | stew | john_doe: buy using the first 3 octets of the mac address, you can look up the manufacturer |
| 21:31.10 | oigres | Guys, I'm compiling tcl for a sarge machine (Have to do it by hand). Downloaded the source from a local mirror and when running the configure it says: configure: line 7338: ` OSF*)' ..... Can't figure out how to fix this apparent "syntax error" ... Any thoughts on this? |
| 21:31.23 | streuner | john_doe: in your LAN and you don't know who owns it..., interesting :-) |
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| 21:31.43 | zrin | It seems that the new mdadm can create a partitionable array, is this well known / tested / reliable? |
| 21:31.54 | john_doe | streuner, yes I see. On the lan, that I'm on... |
| 21:32.10 | john_doe | stew, that I don't understand |
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| 21:32.36 | kspath | oigres: Have you considered also using debian mailing lists? They are sometimes great for less common things though responses can vary from minutes to weeks. It can beat no answer. |
| 21:32.39 | john_doe | stew, oh the manufaturer is given by the mac.... |
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| 21:32.43 | stew | john_doe: yes |
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| 21:32.51 | debian | hello, does anybody know a command line browser that can handle digest authentication? |
| 21:33.09 | gnufan | zrin: Oracle use to wait a couple of years after a new filesystem was introduced (and certified) before they would recommend its usage -- all depends what you are gambling on it -- reputation of Oracle corporation or your music collection?! |
| 21:33.19 | gnufan | debian: lynx |
| 21:33.19 | oigres | kapath: sure, I've used them many times.. .I just wanted a quicky answer... Thanks any way... I'll just go and check there if nobody knows around here... |
| 21:33.47 | zrin | gnufan: did you use it? :) |
| 21:33.51 | debian | gnufan: hmm... does it need some special options? normal -auth didn't work... |
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| 21:34.14 | Daveman | abrotman, oh, hehe |
| 21:34.18 | gnufan | debian: it is a browser -- command line "wget" does basic and digest auth |
| 21:34.43 | gnufan | zrin: no I'm still mastering more simple mdadm stuff |
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| 21:35.16 | debian | gnufan: yeah, but I need a browser not just a tool to get some pages... |
| 21:35.23 | zrin | gnufan: ok, then I'll try non-partitionable array with LVM2 first :) |
| 21:36.42 | gnufan | zrin: what is the "auth" for using a proxy server, or authentication at the far end? |
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| 21:38.20 | nvz | na, its only 5:38pm here |
| 21:38.23 | nvz | screw it :P |
| 21:38.47 | thingfish | screw what? sleeping? |
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| 21:38.51 | debian | hmm... actually I could get away with just wget... |
| 21:39.27 | gnufan | debian: wget is amazing -- just when you think it can't do something... |
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| 21:41.04 | POVaddct | gnufan: setting the http referrer in wget can be helpful sometimes :) |
| 21:41.31 | nse | i recently added a factoid abou tom jobim to dpkg, but i want to change something, how to edit? |
| 21:41.50 | simonrvn | other than a reboot, how do i clear my dns and hosts cache? |
| 21:41.52 | john_doe | is it possible to get more information? |
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| 21:42.06 | simonrvn | nscd is stopped, and i disabled hosts caching in it |
| 21:43.10 | simonrvn | john_doe: more info on what? |
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| 21:44.00 | simonrvn | no clue, so i'll look it up. thanks anyway |
| 21:44.23 | john_doe | simonrvn, on the nic |
| 21:44.26 | beardy | nse: "no, myfactoid is foo" in a /msg to dpkg changes it to "foo" instead of what it was before. |
| 21:44.43 | simonrvn | john_doe: well you could run lspci -v |
| 21:45.20 | john_doe | simonrvn, hmm it |
| 21:45.26 | gnufan | simonrvn: without nscd running there isn't usually a cache for names in GNU/Linux, or any Un*x... "rndc flush" maybe if BIND( is local |
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| 21:45.39 | john_doe | simonrvn, it's not my nic |
| 21:45.58 | debian | gnufan: ok, wget will do for now... thanks for your help |
| 21:46.02 | ChrisW | okay, I have 2 identical usb drives |
| 21:46.17 | ChrisW | if I plug in one, it ends up at /dev/sdf1 |
| 21:46.29 | ChrisW | if I remove it and plug in the other, it ends up at /dev/sdg1 |
| 21:46.32 | ChrisW | how come? |
| 21:47.12 | trueno | tarzeau, rsync -uvpogDt --ignore-existing --progress /dir1 /dir2? |
| 21:47.23 | simonrvn | gnufan: yeh there is. the glibc one |
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| 21:47.55 | simonrvn | oh, maybe not |
| 21:48.01 | simonrvn | may be right there |
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| 21:48.12 | trueno | How can I recuersively copy directories without overwriting the existing files? rsync -av --ignore-existing does not work (ignore-existing is overridden by -a) |
| 21:48.14 | tarzeau | trueno: don't forget trailing / for dirs |
| 21:49.03 | Denmark | Silicon Image Sil3132 |
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| 21:49.43 | Denmark | Is "Silicon Image Sil3132" supported by Debian GNU/{Linux|FBSD} ? |
| 21:49.53 | ChrisW | anyone? is it likely to occur if I plug them in different usb sockets (I'm pretty sure i plugged tem int othe same one though)? |
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| 21:50.33 | sandman | Does anyone here use auto-apt? |
| 21:50.58 | Denmark | sandman : I guess I used it once. I lost interest though. |
| 21:51.07 | sandman | Not that useful, eh? |
| 21:51.08 | beardy | sandman: Tell use what problems you have instead. |
| 21:51.19 | trueno | tarzeau, ok... but how can I ensure that only nonexisten files will be copied while copying links as links and keeping permissions and so on? |
| 21:51.20 | beardy | s/use/us/ |
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| 21:52.15 | sandman | Okay. Well, my problem is is that I'd like to be able to install testing packages _and_ unstable packages, depending on what I specify on the apt-get command. I heard I should read about pinning, but it was somewhat confusing. Just wondering if there's an easier way, otherwise I'll just jump into learning it |
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| 21:52.37 | sandman | I also would like to be able to see what bugs there are existing in a package using a commandline (before I install it) |
| 21:52.47 | j4vi | Hi debianers of the galaxy! How i could restrict to a user loged in ftp up directories? If i restrict the permissions to ups directories i can't log in ftp |
| 21:52.56 | stew | sandman: install apt-listbugs ; or querybts |
| 21:53.09 | mikefoo | can anyone suggest load balancing software? for web and database daemons |
| 21:53.18 | j-run | does anyone know what package provides ypbind and other NIS-utils? |
| 21:53.28 | stew | sandman: and /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 21:53.37 | Durin | j4vi: depends on your ftp server |
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| 21:53.47 | kspath | j-run did you try apt-cache search nis ? |
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| 21:53.51 | j-run | yep |
| 21:54.03 | kspath | j-run did you try apt-cache search yp ? |
| 21:54.07 | j-run | returned a million hits |
| 21:54.12 | j-run | search nis that is |
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| 21:54.29 | stew | j-run: apt-cache search --names-only nis |
| 21:54.32 | stew | j-run: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:54.45 | j-run | yay! |
| 21:54.56 | vanual | j-run try with synaptic, it's faster and pretty good |
| 21:54.58 | j-run | nis - Clients and daemons ... |
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| 21:55.12 | j-run | syna-awahatyousay? |
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| 21:55.20 | obscuresoul | hi |
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| 21:55.35 | theD3viL | where to set the default soundcard? |
| 21:55.46 | j-run | I must say the sarge auto-partitioner is a bit cheap with the / space ;) |
| 21:56.03 | action09 | hi all |
| 21:56.15 | j-run | The / is full already, two days after installing sarge |
| 21:56.48 | theD3viL | j-run: 4gb hd? :) |
| 21:56.52 | j-run | 250MB out of 120GB available... should have partitioned it myself |
| 21:56.52 | kspath | j-run: Did you create separate /var and /usr and so on? |
| 21:56.55 | j-run | yep |
| 21:57.17 | j-run | A total of 1TB available |
| 21:57.20 | j-run | 250MB for / |
| 21:57.23 | j-run | such a joke :) |
| 21:57.26 | stew | j-run: which directory is filling it up? /root? /etc? |
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| 21:57.59 | j-run | just a sec |
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| 21:58.58 | sandman | Is there a reason that my printer won't get recognized? It's hooked up by usb port, but it's not recognized. |
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| 21:59.16 | DamianXL | what was that very light webserver name again? |
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| 21:59.42 | beardy | DamianXL: There is several. 'apt-cache search httpd' |
| 22:00.03 | DamianXL | k |
| 22:03.06 | j-run | stew: seems like lib takes almost 50% with 131M |
| 22:03.25 | j-run | ooh, and var takes 110M |
| 22:03.55 | stew | j-run: if / is that small then /var really needs to be on another partition |
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| 22:04.15 | j-run | a little late for that now :( |
| 22:04.24 | j-run | the drives are already partitioned |
| 22:04.39 | Heimidal | hi. I'm having an issue getting the Debian Sarge. I'm using a Supermicro P8SCT motherboard and four SATA HDs. The installer detected all four drives, but df only shows one mounted. |
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| 22:04.55 | Heimidal | errr... s/getting the/with/ |
| 22:04.58 | kspath | j-run: /var is variable |
| 22:05.07 | kspath | j-run: /var can get VERY big |
| 22:05.09 | j-run | Heimidal: check dmesg | less |
| 22:05.20 | j-run | I should wack another drive in there then |
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| 22:05.34 | j-run | And learn not to trust the auto-partitioner |
| 22:05.36 | kspath | j-run: Your call. |
| 22:05.45 | beardy | j-run: Well, you _can_ fix it, but you can also lose all your data if you try. Reinstall and do over and better, or go on until it's full. Make backups before you do anything. |
| 22:05.47 | j-run | although I was very pleased with the way it made lots of partitions for me |
| 22:06.15 | j-run | beardy: I could just backup+delete two paritions |
| 22:06.18 | kspath | j-run: two ways are one / and one swap and be done with it or split stuff manually based on your experience and needs. |
| 22:06.46 | j-run | kspath: you are right |
| 22:06.51 | kspath | j-run: What advantage does that give you? |
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| 22:07.07 | j-run | reinstalling without loosing /home /whatever |
| 22:07.16 | j-run | backup /home, reinstall or upgrade hardware |
| 22:07.28 | j-run | restore /home and you're done |
| 22:07.30 | kspath | j-run: You can always backup /home though |
| 22:07.38 | j-run | sure |
| 22:07.46 | j-run | but other stuff |
| 22:07.49 | j-run | i dunno :) |
| 22:07.57 | j-run | sounds nice to have separate partitions |
| 22:08.01 | Denmark | Is "Silicon Image Sil3132" supported by Debian GNU/{Linux|FBSD} ? |
| 22:08.12 | j-run | you make a goof in fdisk and delete something |
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| 22:08.17 | j-run | but not everything |
| 22:08.32 | kspath | j-run: there are some few reasons but often people do not have a good reason. |
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| 22:08.42 | evaded | Denmark: I have found some time ago somethings nice http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 22:08.54 | miki2 | any way to check wich mobo im using now with linux? |
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| 22:08.56 | j-run | kspath: i agree |
| 22:09.09 | beardy | j-run: /etc is nice to backup before a reinstall also, so you can have it as reference when you have reinstalled. |
| 22:09.34 | tombs | hi all |
| 22:09.35 | j-run | yes |
| 22:09.44 | j-run | I'm thinking of putting /etc under source control |
| 22:09.52 | j-run | I run Perforce on Linux |
| 22:09.56 | sandman | Is this an appropriate line in fstab for a swapfile?: /swapfile swap swap pri=1 0 0 |
| 22:10.04 | j-run | It would be nice to just chuck the entire /etc in there |
| 22:10.15 | sandman | And aren't priorities (as options) only useful if I have multiple swapfiles? |
| 22:10.18 | beardy | j-run: Also "/msg dpkg list all packages". |
| 22:10.25 | sandman | So I could just put "defaults" where "pri=1" is? |
| 22:11.02 | beardy | j-run: To know what packages you have, and to use that list to install them again. |
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| 22:12.17 | Denmark | !sata |
| 22:12.17 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
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| 22:12.28 | miki2 | anyone can help me with mkinitrd ? i need to make initrd file for custom made kernel but i dont know how to use mkinitrd |
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| 22:12.32 | r_marvin | sandman: try, in the worst case you'll end with no swap |
| 22:12.35 | kspath | j-run: A reason to have /var elsewhere is to take load off whatever / and /usr and /etc and /home and others are in. Also some security techniques related to filesystems. |
| 22:13.10 | j-run | kspath: i realize a better solution would have been to have one big / |
| 22:13.18 | kspath | j-run: if / and /var and others are all on one huge drive than mainly file system options/security would be a reason. |
| 22:13.26 | Heimidal | j-run: it shows four SATA drives in dmesg |
| 22:13.30 | j-run | kspath: but now I have to fix it |
| 22:13.47 | j-run | Heimidal: then you should mount them manually, and put them in your /etc/fstab later |
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| 22:13.51 | kspath | j-run: Do you? You can restrict /var |
| 22:13.59 | j-run | Heimidal: i dunno if the installer does that for your\ |
| 22:14.02 | Heimidal | j-run: I'm a bit new at this :P |
| 22:14.08 | kspath | j-run: How many/much logs do you need? |
| 22:14.09 | Heimidal | how would I mount them? |
| 22:14.28 | j-run | man mount |
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| 22:15.00 | kspath | Heimidal: you also want to learn about fstab and mtab if possible |
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| 22:15.36 | beardy | Heimidal: Also read "man 5 fstab". |
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| 22:15.57 | sandman | It seems querybts > apt-listbugs, in terms of functionality |
| 22:16.17 | beardy | !reference |
| 22:16.18 | dpkg | somebody said reference was The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 22:16.28 | beardy | Heimidal: ^^^ |
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| 22:18.08 | beardy | !reference =~ s/The Debian Reference. Will/<reply> The Debian Reference will/ |
| 22:18.09 | dpkg | OK, beardy |
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| 22:18.32 | action09 | xserver-xorg 7.0.14 |
| 22:18.34 | action09 | \0/ |
| 22:19.48 | j-run2 | <--- so stupid |
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| 22:19.59 | j-run2 | this is how you totally mess up stuff when out of space |
| 22:20.09 | j-run2 | mv /lib /mnt/someplace |
| 22:20.16 | kspath | ouch |
| 22:20.16 | j-run2 | irreversible |
| 22:20.22 | kspath | j-run: Is it? |
| 22:20.25 | j-run2 | ln -s won't work |
| 22:20.28 | j-run2 | ls won't work |
| 22:20.29 | j-run2 | mv |
| 22:20.30 | j-run2 | :) |
| 22:20.43 | kspath | j-run: mount if a live CD or maybe install CD? |
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| 22:20.50 | kspath | with |
| 22:20.55 | j-run2 | that would work |
| 22:21.01 | j-run2 | or nfs mount from another box |
| 22:21.04 | nterprais | hi |
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| 22:21.11 | beardy | j-run: I said "backup before you do anything" :) _anything_ Use a livecd or floppy to try and fix it. |
| 22:21.14 | j-run2 | nfs was what i was after inthe first place |
| 22:21.25 | j-run2 | beardy: that was my attempt of backing up |
| 22:21.31 | j-run2 | :) |
| 22:21.34 | beardy | :) |
| 22:21.55 | j-run2 | you SHOULD have said: "back up, but don't move /lib away you fool" |
| 22:22.01 | j-run2 | *grr* |
| 22:22.06 | j-run2 | ;) |
| 22:22.14 | beardy | j-run2: heh :) |
| 22:22.23 | kspath | j-run: !foosmite j-run |
| 22:22.36 | kspath | !foosmite kspath |
| 22:22.41 | kspath | hmm |
| 22:22.51 | syntrx | i pity the foo' |
| 22:22.56 | kspath | !smitesmite kspath |
| 22:23.42 | j-run2 | it probably won't boot now |
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| 22:23.53 | j-run2 | i'm afraid to reboot :) |
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| 22:24.03 | kspath | j-run: As long as your positive that is all that counts. |
| 22:24.08 | j-run2 | yep |
| 22:24.13 | j-run2 | i'm tired now anyway |
| 22:24.21 | j-run2 | maybe i'll fix it tomorrow |
| 22:24.24 | kspath | I have a positive attitude. I am positive no one will hire me. |
| 22:24.26 | beardy | j-run2: As long as you have a livesystem you can (hopefully) fix it. |
| 22:24.38 | beardy | and what kspath said |
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| 22:24.42 | j-run2 | i'l download a live dvd or something |
| 22:24.43 | j-run2 | no problem |
| 22:24.54 | j-run2 | lesson learned |
| 22:24.57 | j-run2 | and for all you kids |
| 22:25.01 | j-run2 | don't try this at home |
| 22:25.04 | garoto_google | algume do brasil ai? |
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| 22:25.05 | Durin | j-run2: you may try 'ldconfig /mnt/whatever' |
| 22:25.20 | kspath | !tell garoto_google about br |
| 22:25.20 | j-run2 | Durin: what will that do |
| 22:25.21 | thingfish | garoto_google: /join #debian-br |
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| 22:25.41 | kspath | garoto_google: You want to strangle google? |
| 22:25.42 | j-run2 | ldconfig works |
| 22:25.54 | Durin | j-run2: ldconfig - configure dynamic linker run-time bindings |
| 22:25.57 | thingfish | kspath: garoto means boy in portuguese. |
| 22:26.12 | thingfish | garoto=boy; garota=girl |
| 22:26.30 | kspath | thingfish: I thought it was was a different word. I to not know portuguese. |
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| 22:26.37 | kspath | do |
| 22:26.45 | cafuego | kspath: That's a garotte, different speling. |
| 22:26.53 | thingfish | and from french |
| 22:26.54 | poison | Hi all, I'm installing debian on a software raid system and on the installer I've created equal disk partitions on both drives and set them to the type 'raid' but when I choose 'Configure software raid' and create a md device I get the error 'No RAID partitions found'. I mean, huh? |
| 22:27.10 | kspath | cafuego: I wondered if it was same word different spelling |
| 22:27.26 | cafuego | Possibly the same root, because who hasn't thought about strangling noise kids? |
| 22:27.27 | kspath | cafuego: I did not look it up. Hence the ? mark I used. |
| 22:27.49 | j-run2 | poison: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 22:27.51 | thingfish | kspath: is english your native language? |
| 22:28.07 | kspath | thingfish: Why do you ask? |
| 22:28.19 | thingfish | well because I'm curious, why else. |
| 22:28.22 | kspath | thingfish: My ignorance is not obvious enough? |
| 22:28.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:28.34 | cafuego | touché ;-) |
| 22:28.37 | poison | j-run2: Personalities : [raid0] [raid1] [raid2] ; unused devices: <none> |
| 22:29.28 | j-run2 | poison: i dont understand what you mean by "choose 'configure software raid'" |
| 22:29.35 | kspath | thingfish: I know pieces of many languages which means I get confused even MORE easily than most people. |
| 22:29.45 | j-run2 | poison: seems like you have three separate raids going |
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| 22:29.55 | beardy | !confuse kspath |
| 22:29.55 | poison | j-run2: If I make a partition I have to choose the filesystem but I've chosen 'RAID' |
| 22:29.56 | dpkg | Yes, those is your badger tomorrow, kspath? breeches of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 22:30.03 | thingfish | kspath: oh I totally understand, believe me. |
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| 22:30.37 | kspath | thingfish: I would prefer to be fluent in 2 languages and learning only one. |
| 22:30.38 | j-run2 | poison: what on earth are you talking about? are you in some sort of gui? |
| 22:30.41 | Durin | j-run2: do you tried it? |
| 22:30.47 | meneg | weird, no mention on any changelog, yet a lockup of an evdev mouse on the first x7 packs is gone. |
| 22:30.52 | poison | j-run2: the debian installer |
| 22:30.54 | meneg | oO |
| 22:31.01 | j-run2 | Durin: i moved /lib to /mnt/md1 by mistake |
| 22:31.07 | j-run2 | i tried ldconfig /mnt/md1 |
| 22:31.16 | j-run2 | not the desired effect |
| 22:31.19 | kspath | thingfish: I do not even have a portuguese dictionario here |
| 22:31.31 | j-run2 | poison: fix the raids later, never mind the installer |
| 22:31.31 | Durin | then you should try 'ldconfig /mnt/md1/lib' |
| 22:31.37 | j-run2 | Durin: ok |
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| 22:32.24 | kspath | thingfish: What I find more confusing it when two languages have many words in common then WHAM a word spelled or pronounced the same that are TOTALLY different |
| 22:32.25 | thingfish | kspath: I had lots of brazilian friends in college, so that helped a lot in my case. |
| 22:32.33 | j-run2 | Durin: the -v output shows some sort of success |
| 22:32.37 | poison | j-run2: ok I'll try that |
| 22:32.43 | j-run2 | but ls, mv etc won't work |
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| 22:32.53 | sven_ | my apt-get always tells me, that it failed to verify the signature ... anybody an idea? |
| 22:33.02 | j-run2 | poison: read the software raid howto, excellent stuff |
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| 22:33.29 | thingfish | oh yes, kspath, exactly - like in spanish, 'dia' is pronounced DEE-uh. in brasilian portuguese, it's JEE-uh. |
| 22:33.33 | kspath | j-run2: Have you considered starting over? |
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| 22:34.02 | miki2 | hey, is there any support channel for VIA chipset mobo's ? |
| 22:34.06 | j-run2 | kspath: not really :) |
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| 22:34.11 | kspath | miki2: start one |
| 22:34.14 | sandman | That was neat. I now have a etch/sid system with pinning on etch, irssi segfaulted so I apt-built it and it worked. |
| 22:34.14 | j-run2 | i have invested too much time already |
| 22:34.20 | sandman | Very easy to use and fix. |
| 22:34.22 | Azar | :) miki I use via chipset |
| 22:34.24 | beardy | j-run2: Find a busybox binary and use that for ls, mv and so on? |
| 22:34.59 | j-run2 | could work |
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| 22:35.03 | miki2 | kspath: i need help and im not able to help anyone with VIA chipset sience i got enought problems with my own already |
| 22:35.10 | chaos_ | đ |
| 22:35.12 | j-run2 | btw; i can reach /mnt/md1 via sambe |
| 22:35.22 | miki2 | Azar: is there any linux driver for via, like via4in1 hyperion for windows? |
| 22:35.22 | kspath | j-run2: I like starting over. I add more scripting to my installations and more notes. |
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| 22:35.33 | thingfish | sambe is the french version of samba ;) |
| 22:35.39 | j-run2 | yes :) |
| 22:35.53 | Azar | miki2: I have no idea about windows support but it works great with Debian |
| 22:35.53 | rata | hi |
| 22:36.08 | j-run2 | kspath: you wouldn't beleive the amount of pain I went through to get the UPS working... |
| 22:36.25 | j-run2 | i'll call it a night |
| 22:36.33 | j-run2 | booting with a live cd will fix things tomorrow |
| 22:36.35 | j-run2 | thankx guys |
| 22:36.46 | kspath | bon nuit |
| 22:36.48 | thingfish | nighty nigh |
| 22:36.51 | thingfish | *night |
| 22:36.54 | j-run2 | and good luck with your raid poison |
| 22:37.07 | poison | tnx j-run2 |
| 22:37.11 | chaos_ | quit |
| 22:37.12 | thingfish | hehe raid poison |
| 22:37.28 | Azar | miki2 tell the guy you are helping to google for via support for windows that's how he can help himself |
| 22:37.34 | miki2 | Azar: weren u forced to install any extra drivers for ur mobo? or basic kernel had everything already? |
| 22:37.34 | rata | i am using testing, i recently upgrade my glibc and now shen i quit irssi it says : "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08114188 ***", and when i connect from a web client to amule it crashes and says something about glibc... any idea ? anyone happend the same ? |
| 22:37.43 | miki2 | Azar |
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| 22:37.50 | miki2 | Azar: im helping myself :O |
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| 22:38.20 | Azar | miki2, I never forced anything I installed Debian with 2.4 kernel, then immediately I upgraded to kernel 2.6.8 and voila: I had all needed modules there |
| 22:38.30 | Ts0p | what's the command for reconfiger xfree86 |
| 22:38.39 | beardy | !drxx Ts0p |
| 22:38.40 | dpkg | Ts0p: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:39.03 | rata | Ts0p, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (if i remember well) |
| 22:39.05 | thingfish | !beer Azar |
| 22:39.07 | miki2 | Azar: was there any ifference in via support between 2.4.x and 2.6.x ? |
| 22:39.17 | Azar | miki2: you can install Sarge with the "linux26" command and have the 2.6.8 already in |
| 22:39.36 | miki2 | Azar: but i cant install 2.6.8 :( |
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| 22:39.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:39.56 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:40.01 | thingfish | it's these kids and their damn ipods that have to have kernels like 2.6.15/16 |
| 22:40.06 | Azar | miki2, back then I installed woody which even if does not have full support for some modules is gentle enough to hold on until I upgrade the kernel |
| 22:40.11 | derjohn | did anyone create a deb for tomcat 5.5.16 ? |
| 22:40.15 | Ts0p | thingfish didn't work |
| 22:40.28 | miki2 | Azar: ic, so probably its not via but rather... ati |
| 22:40.35 | markit | !xmd5 |
| 22:40.35 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 22:40.41 | miki2 | Azar: lspci aint detecting anything related to agp |
| 22:40.43 | Azar | miki2: install Sarge: at bootup installation type: linux26 so it will install with a 2.6.x kernel instead of 2.4 |
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| 22:41.23 | miki2 | Azar: my 2.6.8 problem is crappy default USb suppot :( |
| 22:41.31 | kspath | miki2: Does it even show a bridge for AGP? |
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| 22:41.43 | Ts0p | brb |
| 22:41.46 | Azar | miki2: also make sure you install modconf then after installation you will be able to browse the modules list (by typing "modconf") and select the modules for your hardware, in this case "agpgart" as well |
| 22:41.51 | miki2 | kspatch: how can i see if its showing bridge for agp? |
| 22:42.11 | kspath | miki2: lspci | egrep -i agp |
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| 22:42.48 | sven_ | how do i configure debsig, that it wont require valid signatures? |
| 22:42.50 | Azar | kernel 2.6.8 has usb support as well and modconf will list all usb modules there, all you need is select what you need |
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| 22:43.00 | jshriver | hi |
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| 22:43.15 | jshriver | Does debian have a tool to automaticall configure X like Knoppix? |
| 22:43.20 | miki2 | kspath: nothing shows up |
| 22:43.27 | jshriver | If not I guess I can run knoppix and just cp the XF86Config over |
| 22:43.31 | rata | jshriver, dpkg-reconfigure <package> ? |
| 22:43.40 | jshriver | what's the package for X11 in sarge? |
| 22:43.43 | jshriver | just did a fresh install |
| 22:43.43 | Azar | jshriver: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:43.47 | jshriver | thanks |
| 22:43.51 | tarzeau | jshriver: X can do that |
| 22:44.04 | miki2 | kspath: but i made kernel image from kernel-source where i enabled agpgart.. problem is that im getting kernel panic error |
| 22:44.06 | Azar | ;) hi mr tarzeau |
| 22:44.21 | tarzeau | hi mr Azar ;) |
| 22:44.23 | miki2 | kspath: my other kernel's are like 2-4MB while new one is only 900kb |
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| 22:44.46 | kspath | miki2: small but broken in your goal? |
| 22:44.58 | miki2 | kspath: kernel panic and something related to hda2 (03:02) |
| 22:45.16 | kspath | s/in/is/ |
| 22:45.22 | thingfish | <sigh> |
| 22:45.48 | miki2 | kspath: also it lacks initrd thing, i got only kernel image file... and i got horrible problems iwth making good initrd for that custom kernel |
| 22:46.12 | Azar | miki2: I see it is hard for you to understand some workings in Debian I would suggest you take some time and read about hardware and installations, please read: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ |
| 22:46.59 | Azar | miki2: for the past 3 days you seek help , people here try to help you but you do not seem to understand some stuff, please read |
| 22:47.28 | thingfish | really...if you can't read, then linux is *definitely* not for you. |
| 22:47.36 | miki2 | Azar: i read alot of those manuals but some say that i should type specific commands, im typing those and im getting errors |
| 22:47.44 | rata | hi, anyone using testing have problems with new globc ? |
| 22:47.45 | thingfish | but really, it doesn't even take all that much reading. |
| 22:47.49 | rata | glibc, sorry |
| 22:47.59 | thingfish | I mean, it's not like reading tolstoy or something. |
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| 22:48.14 | rata | libgc |
| 22:48.17 | grendal_prime | thingfish really...if you can't read, then linux is *definitely* not for you. HEHEHE |
| 22:48.20 | miki2 | Azar: and there is no cover/explanation to those errors in manuals so im stuck |
| 22:48.21 | Azar | miki2: the way you described your system is missing this, is missing that, your kernel is crashing, obviously you do some stuff the wrong way |
| 22:48.24 | thingfish | ooh this one's got a lot of red hairs |
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| 22:48.38 | grendal_prime | i just looked at the channel and that was the first thing that poped up...kinda funny |
| 22:49.30 | Azar | miki2: are you using a via chipset on your Debian PC ? |
| 22:49.35 | thingfish | man I don't know, it's something they put in cereals I suspect...no one has the patience to read anymore. |
| 22:49.45 | miki2 | Azar: all i need is VIA AGP and AGPGART modules loaded into kernel by default, so it will detect my agp port, but when im doing make menuconfig, i see that those options are there already selected by default and i got no clue whats wrong |
| 22:49.50 | miki2 | Azar: yes |
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| 22:50.33 | sven_ | why can't my debsig verify the .deb signatures? |
| 22:50.38 | grendal_prime | this guy building his own kernel? |
| 22:50.53 | rata | miki2, inside the kernel or as a module ? |
| 22:50.56 | Azar | miki2: why would you do a "make menuconfig" ? |
| 22:51.13 | miki2 | Azar: i thought that i must enable those and then make new kernel with them |
| 22:51.20 | kspath | thingfish: caffiene is getting more and more popular and TV and radio are formatted fast and non-stop people do not take a break to clear their heads. They try to do everything in 5seconds. |
| 22:51.20 | Azar | bah |
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| 22:51.32 | Heim|away | it seems that the debian installer saw all four of our drives but that Debian itself can't |
| 22:51.37 | miki2 | rata: no matter, they just aint loading |
| 22:52.04 | thingfish | kspath: we're self-destructing at a very rapid rate. |
| 22:52.12 | rata | miki2, if you have it insede the kernel, it woud not load as a module :) |
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| 22:52.22 | kspath | thingfish: it is not just patience but persistance without stepping away to see things with a new outlook. |
| 22:52.52 | Azar | miki2: install sarge with "linux26" option or, if you can't install Sarge then immediately upgrade the kernel to a 2.6.8 (a precompiled kernel from apt-cache search). Install modconf then type modconf and select the modules you need, (agpgart inclusive). Make sure you know the correct name of your hardware in order to select the right modules. And that's it |
| 22:52.55 | kspath | thingfish: people rarely sleep on things. It is always decide now without thought. |
| 22:53.02 | tarzeau | Azar: you don't want to be a debian maintainer? |
| 22:53.04 | tarzeau | kspath: or you? |
| 22:53.16 | Azar | tarzeau I want but I do not have the skill |
| 22:53.16 | thingfish | kspath: yes, that is true. |
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| 22:53.29 | thingfish | oh me too |
| 22:53.34 | thingfish | big fucking lamer |
| 22:53.45 | tarzeau | Azar: nah you're not a lamer |
| 22:53.48 | miki2 | Azar: i got already 2.6.8 and modconf, problem is that i need to install USB modules wich aint provided by default... i dont know how to install those and where to get them from, but i got list of whats needed |
| 22:53.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:53.51 | tarzeau | Azar: you're a #debian regular |
| 22:53.53 | Azar | I'd only piss off the gurus |
| 22:53.55 | kspath | thingfish: GUIs are not fast enough anymore they want a think-focus rather than on-over focus or click-focus... |
| 22:54.03 | tarzeau | Azar: don't think so sweety |
| 22:54.16 | thingfish | tarzeau! |
| 22:54.22 | Azar | tarzeau sure, why not only part time 4 hrs /day |
| 22:54.29 | kspath | thingfish: Soon people will want computers to read their minds. |
| 22:54.57 | thingfish | kspath: hah. soon computers will be integrated with people's minds. |
| 22:55.15 | tarzeau | thingfish! |
| 22:55.25 | miki2 | Azar: reason why im using 2.4.27 not 2.6.8 is that new kernel wont dtect my USB... i found difference in driver list@kernel config files but modconf dont have any of needed driver, i need to get new ones and i dont know how/where to get them from |
| 22:55.25 | Azar | miki2 from modconf: they are all listed there, however, for your lame USB modem I think you have to do it the hard way... |
| 22:55.29 | kspath | thingfish: It will be TUI Think User Interface then WimtTUI What I meant to Think User Interface. |
| 22:55.49 | beardy | thingfish: Hah, soon people will be intergrated in computers. |
| 22:55.52 | tarzeau | Azar: piss them off, that's fine, as long as you do it kindly |
| 22:55.58 | Ts0p | am back |
| 22:56.09 | tarzeau | Azar: the real guru don't get pissed off |
| 22:56.13 | kspath | beardy: I do not think the computers will put up the the idiots that will be installed in them. |
| 22:56.29 | Ts0p | so reconfig xfree86 didn't work |
| 22:56.36 | Azar | miki2: we have established 3 days ago that your usb modem will not work with a 2.6.x kernel since it has a bug. you have 2 options: replace the modem with a 2.6.x workable one, or stay with 2.4.x kernel but don't enjoy much of graphics |
| 22:56.38 | beardy | kspath: You're right. |
| 22:56.39 | Ts0p | what is my other option |
| 22:57.07 | Azar | tarzeau: and what would be the break-down duties? |
| 22:57.17 | tarzeau | Azar: you just maintain a few debian packages. |
| 22:57.22 | thingfish | beardy: yes...a person's consciousness transposed into circuitry |
| 22:57.24 | tarzeau | Azar: have you ever packaged some software for debian? |
| 22:57.26 | beardy | kspath: But they don't kill off all winprinters and crap that gets attached to them.. |
| 22:57.27 | kspath | beardy: People should be afraid of computers when the computer thinks more than the people do. It is getting closer and closer to that sadly. |
| 22:57.28 | miki2 | Azar: it has no bug, problem lies in USB host controller for 2.6.8, i can pastebin differences in kernel config if u want(old and new kernel) |
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| 22:57.31 | Azar | tarzeau: define "maintain" |
| 22:57.38 | tarzeau | Azar: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 22:57.50 | tarzeau | Azar: 1) find software that you like and it's not in debian |
| 22:58.00 | kspath | beardy: They can control those. The idiots are too stupid to follow basic instructions. |
| 22:58.00 | tarzeau | Azar: 2) make-it-look-like-a.deb |
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| 22:58.11 | tarzeau | Azar: 3) harass some dd to upload it for you |
| 22:58.17 | miki2 | Azar: also, i found ppl who had either USB modem/agp working under 2.6.x/2.4.x |
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| 22:58.23 | tarzeau | Azar: repeat 3) for updates |
| 22:58.33 | tarzeau | Azar: that's it :) very easy |
| 22:58.33 | beardy | kspath: Heh, yeah.. |
| 22:58.35 | Azar | uh how can I make a .deb out of it? I do not code |
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| 22:58.52 | kspath | People get pissed when they have to actually stop what they are doing and learn something. |
| 22:58.53 | tarzeau | Azar: ahhh it's very easy, there's a tool that does it all for you, all magic, dh-make |
| 22:58.58 | beardy | kspath: But can't they be used as poor randomizers? |
| 22:58.58 | tarzeau | Azar: don't worry, did you apply yet? |
| 22:59.00 | Azar | :) |
| 22:59.07 | tarzeau | Azar: you will be my sponsor |
| 22:59.07 | hrtp | can someone tell me why i gets this error while doing './configure': http://pastebin.com/668218 |
| 22:59.13 | hrtp | even though i have tcl installed |
| 22:59.20 | Azar | tarzeau no, but I will hook my extra box and have it for testing |
| 22:59.25 | kspath | I do see the point in getting pissed about learning things that will be obsolete in less than a year though. |
| 22:59.34 | tarzeau | Azar: ahmm you really want to make the .debs on sid :) |
| 22:59.36 | kspath | regex is not going away |
| 22:59.46 | kspath | yet people resist learn regex |
| 22:59.55 | Azar | tarzeau: yes that why , because I do not want to alter my configuration on this box |
| 22:59.58 | kspath | learning |
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| 23:00.06 | tarzeau | Azar: you can also build in a sid chroot |
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| 23:00.14 | tarzeau | Azar: or build on testing, it's ok, just don't tell anyone |
| 23:00.16 | kreg_work | what good is iptables-save in debian? save it to where? |
| 23:00.26 | Azar | tarzeau: so I will have to install sarge, dist-upgrade to etch then once again up to sid |
| 23:00.31 | FliesLikeALap | kreg_work iptables-save > /where/you/want/to/save/to |
| 23:00.37 | tarzeau | Azar: speak after me "i have testing, but if someone akss me, i will tell it's sid" |
| 23:00.45 | Ts0p | when i startx i get Fatal error no screens found ??? please help |
| 23:00.48 | tarzeau | Azar: no, just use what you have |
| 23:01.03 | tarzeau | Azar: can you harass people? |
| 23:01.07 | kspath | At the same time people have tasks required of them with time limits and they can not take the time but than you have to ask yourself some questions. |
| 23:01.08 | Azar | :) tarzeau from my poor past experience, sid is not all that ugly, it only starts dying after a while |
| 23:01.10 | kreg_work | FliesLikeABrick, where does debain use such a thing? there isn't a iptables "service" |
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| 23:01.17 | rata | Ts0p, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xfree86|xorg] |
| 23:01.21 | rabies | anyone know of a sound card that fits into a 5.25" bay and uses usb? |
| 23:01.28 | thingfish | sid is fine, until one day - BAM! |
| 23:01.28 | FliesLikeALap | kreg_work write a simple init script that makes the appropriate calls |
| 23:01.30 | tarzeau | rabies: you must be kidding |
| 23:01.35 | rabies | tarzeau: why? |
| 23:01.40 | kreg_work | FliesLikeABrick, exactly. what good is iptables-save |
| 23:01.44 | tarzeau | thingfish: the day is defined by you (don't upgrade, the day never comes) |
| 23:01.53 | kspath | rabies: creative might have something |
| 23:01.54 | FliesLikeALap | kreg_work .... so that you can save your current configuration to a file |
| 23:01.57 | Azar | tarzeau: ok I will hook up and start installation on the spare box tonight, when I am done we will share it |
| 23:02.07 | tarzeau | Azar: great, i'll go to bed now |
| 23:02.13 | poison | I've installed debian and now I want to enable software raid, but when I mdadm --create /dev/md0 it tells me the device /dev/md0 is not found, what modules should I load for it? I've already loaded raid1, linear and md_mod |
| 23:02.14 | Azar | good night mr tarzeau |
| 23:02.22 | priscila | kreg_work: its a good idea put it to start when your net interface is on (e.g ip-up file) |
| 23:02.22 | tarzeau | good luck mr Azar |
| 23:02.26 | rabies | kspath: ? |
| 23:02.29 | FliesLikeALap | kreg_work then load it with iptables-restore < /saved/path |
| 23:02.30 | thingfish | tarzeau: yes indeed, that is really the way to go. don't upgrade until you know it's relatively safe. |
| 23:02.47 | tarzeau | thingfish: i've been doing that since 1999 |
| 23:02.52 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 23:03.10 | tarzeau | thingfish: i mean, even sid doesn't have the latest and greatest software |
| 23:03.16 | kreg_work | priscila, FliesLikeABrick : doesn;t the distro already have such a tool that should read my iptables-save file on boot? |
| 23:03.24 | kspath | rabies: USB is generally something with laptops consider and laptops do not have 5 inch bays unless you are talking those ultrathin bays in laptops for CD/DVD drives. |
| 23:03.25 | ultimated | how do i uninstall everything related to pure-ftpd? |
| 23:03.38 | ultimated | pure-ftpd-common pure-ftpd |
| 23:03.41 | kspath | rabies: Creative is a company |
| 23:03.41 | rabies | kspath: i dont have any more pci slots so i need a usb or firewire sound card |
| 23:03.41 | thingfish | tarzeau: well, no, but it's closer than sarge is. |
| 23:03.44 | FliesLikeALap | kreg_work I asked the same questions when I first started using iptables. Even if it does, it is easier to write your own 1 line init script than it is to find the expsting tools apparently |
| 23:03.51 | tarzeau | thingfish: way more. yes |
| 23:03.52 | rabies | kspath: i know that, but usually their soundcards are less then stellar |
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| 23:04.10 | kspath | rabies: Wow you ran out of options yet you are picky. |
| 23:04.21 | kspath | rabies: Creative sound is not that bad |
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| 23:04.50 | thingfish | creative sound cards are practically industry standard. |
| 23:05.04 | kreg_work | priscila, update-rc.d myIptablesScript defaults 00 ? |
| 23:05.05 | kspath | rabies: If sound is THAT important than perhaps re-think your PCI slot usage. |
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| 23:05.17 | rabies | kspath: touchy arent we? |
| 23:05.21 | kreg_work | priscila, is 00 an appropriate place to put the firewall in place "before" hand? |
| 23:05.29 | ultimated | how do i uninstall everything related to pure-ftpd? |
| 23:05.32 | kspath | rabies: Confused are you not? |
| 23:05.35 | Ts0p | rata i got it to work but i don't know how to set it up |
| 23:05.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:05.37 | rabies | kspath: no, i am not |
| 23:05.46 | rata | Ts0p, ? |
| 23:05.52 | kspath | rabies: If you were confused would you know it? |
| 23:05.55 | rabies | kspath: just because i want it external doesnt mean it has to have lousy sound quality |
| 23:05.58 | rabies | kspath: yep |
| 23:06.00 | g0vner | anyone here knows of a channel that issues pocket pc |
| 23:06.15 | Ts0p | rata i don't know how to setup my monitor |
| 23:06.17 | rabies | kspath: you need to relax, just because i want some specific doenst mean you have to take it personally |
| 23:06.25 | rabies | kspath: unless you work for creative, then maybe you should... |
| 23:06.29 | thingfish | rabies: what do you have in all those slots that is so necessary? |
| 23:06.29 | kspath | rabies: Ok, so when were you fired from Creative or how long have you worked for their competition? |
| 23:06.37 | rabies | kspath: neither |
| 23:06.37 | rata | Ts0p, in the dpkg-reconfigure questions you say ? |
| 23:06.45 | rabies | thingfish: doesnt matter, i want external |
| 23:06.54 | thingfish | tsk |
| 23:06.56 | kspath | rabies: You asked us for a solution. |
| 23:06.59 | thingfish | I want a pony. |
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| 23:07.05 | rabies | kspath: i asked if you knew of any on the market |
| 23:07.07 | kspath | rabies: If you had a solution than why ask? |
| 23:07.10 | rabies | kspath: i dont |
| 23:07.16 | rabies | kspath: im looking for one that fits into a 5.25 bay |
| 23:07.17 | kspath | rabies: We told you. Creative. |
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| 23:07.26 | ultimated | anyone? |
| 23:07.27 | rabies | kspath: "we"? |
| 23:07.36 | Ts0p | rata i got the xfree86 configure to work , but i don't know how to fix the problem |
| 23:07.36 | ultimated | how do i uninstall pure-ftpd? |
| 23:07.42 | rabies | kspath: and they dont have any |
| 23:07.45 | kspath | rabies: I am using the royal we because I am self-important. |
| 23:07.46 | Sonny | hi. I can you tell me why does anjuta crashes at launh? |
| 23:07.46 | priscila | kreg_work: i think no .. here my iptables script runs when the interface is on .. i put an entry to it in /etc/ppp/ip-up |
| 23:07.54 | rabies | kspath: i noticed :) |
| 23:08.17 | rata | Ts0p, i dony understand which is your problem then. It wasnt that you cant start the X server ? |
| 23:08.31 | thingfish | plus you can get an sblive 5.1 for $15 or so |
| 23:08.32 | kspath | rabies: Have you considered using USB and sound as search terms. |
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| 23:08.38 | rabies | kspath: yes, yes i have |
| 23:09.03 | Ts0p | rata yes and still i can't start the startx |
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| 23:09.39 | kspath | rabies: Have you considered developing your own USB sound device that fits your specs? |
| 23:09.39 | simy | clear |
| 23:09.43 | simy | sorry... |
| 23:09.57 | rabies | kspath: please, if you arent going to be helpful stop talking to me |
| 23:10.31 | thingfish | oh rabies, you have no gaming spirit. |
| 23:10.39 | rabies | thingfish: none at all |
| 23:10.44 | rabies | =D |
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| 23:11.06 | simy | can sombody point me in the direction of how to send email from multiple domains (3 or so) with exim4 for debian, Im not having much luck with google (ive found one, but its not very debian specific and im having trouble with what section to tinker with, help with that would be fine as well) TIA |
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| 23:11.49 | Ts0p | simy try. http://www/debianhelp.co.uk |
| 23:12.14 | miki2 | aight, im going to try 2.6.8 kernel sience im pissed off with that initrd thing, heres my 2.6.8 USB problem http://pastebin.com/668242 |
| 23:12.27 | Ts0p | how can i know which vediocard and monitor i have? |
| 23:12.33 | zrin | simy: have you found exim docs? did you search for virtual domains and exim? |
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| 23:12.39 | Ronin | Ts0p: you dont know? |
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| 23:12.58 | simy | zrin Thats what im havin trouble with..... |
| 23:13.01 | zrin | miki2: why not 2.6.16.5? |
| 23:13.18 | Ts0p | Ronin no i don't? |
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| 23:13.25 | simy | zrin: 43.2 (i believe is the correct section) http://www.exim.org/exim-html-3.20/doc/html/spec_43.html |
| 23:13.37 | simy | I just dont understand what files (with the split file configuration) |
| 23:13.47 | dolor | I am having trouble with what I think to be the DISPLAY variable. I've done a fresh debian install (kernel 2.6), and I cannot copy text from xterm to other applications. Does anybody know this problem? |
| 23:13.51 | kspath | rabies: I found a dozen USB sound devices the problem is I do not care enough to check their dimensions. |
| 23:14.02 | miki2 | zrin: im running stable, and i picked debian for stability... is there any big difference between 2.6.8 and 2.6.16? i need good via/ati/agp support |
| 23:14.06 | Ts0p | Ronin can you help m e |
| 23:14.07 | rabies | kspath: well i'd also like them to have a hardware mixer (aka no software mixing in dmix, esd or arts) |
| 23:14.43 | Ts0p | i think it's something like probmode |
| 23:14.46 | rabies | kspath: the hardware mixing is more important then the dimensions |
| 23:14.48 | Kerr_ | did my brain melt and run out of my nose, or did linus patch the kernel to be virus friendly O.o ? |
| 23:14.53 | rabies | kspath: if it has onboard mixing i'd take it no matter what the shape |
| 23:15.23 | zrin | miki2: try 2.6.16 ... there are many improvements... even via SATA chips are supported (for some of them you still need small patches) |
| 23:15.24 | simy | zrin: I just dont understand what files (with the split file configuration) |
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| 23:15.53 | Ts0p | anyone help me please |
| 23:16.05 | zrin | simy: do you have existing exim setup? |
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| 23:16.48 | simy | zrin: my only problem is when i send email from a diffrent domain, it gets sent from my main servers domain, eg, domaina, a user that gets mail from domainb.com just fine, sends email as user@domaina.com thats my only problem |
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| 23:17.01 | simy | zrin: so i guess the simple answer is yes |
| 23:17.18 | zrin | simy: ok. do you use split files config? |
| 23:17.28 | dolor | alternatively, can anyone redirect me to some useful information? |
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| 23:17.52 | simy | zrin: yeah... (heres the line i dont know where it belongs) local_domains = your.normal.domain:\ |
| 23:17.53 | simy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.13 | simy | I did a search for local_domains in the split files (using cat */* |
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| 23:18.19 | simy | er | grep local_domains |
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| 23:18.34 | simy | but just THAT didnt show up, with domaina.com or not |
| 23:19.12 | simy | zrin: I was thinking that i could just do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and were it says domain or whatever, put that dbm section in, however im not sure |
| 23:19.33 | simy | zrin: and ive messed up exim4 config file before, and it took me 4 days to realize email was down, lol |
| 23:19.46 | miki2 | zrin: is 2.6.16 aviable only on backports? |
| 23:19.59 | thingfish | is it even in backports? |
| 23:20.05 | Azar | miki2: have you read this: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html < it might apply to debian as well (I have not found an howto for Debian there) |
| 23:20.23 | Ts0p | how can i know which vediocard and monitor i have? |
| 23:20.25 | zrin | miki2: you can get it from kernel.org |
| 23:20.36 | miki2 | Azar: i read all faqs, currently its not related to USB modem but to USB driver |
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| 23:21.02 | Ts0p | i am having problem starting my startx |
| 23:21.03 | zrin | miki2: compile, install, try, keep |
| 23:21.03 | miki2 | Azar: my current problem i mean |
| 23:21.03 | stew | Ts0p: lspci would tell you what video card you have |
| 23:21.04 | stew | Ts0p: lspci | grep VGA |
| 23:21.05 | Azar | zrin: miki2 uses an USB modem hard to setup with a 2.6 that page teaches him how to do it |
| 23:21.11 | Azar | miki2 follow that page |
| 23:21.19 | zrin | Azar: OIC |
| 23:21.40 | miki2 | Azar: i cant follow page, guy on page got modem detection working well, for me no USB device is detected |
| 23:21.49 | Azar | miki2 it seem you only read first few paragraphs and give up... read it all |
| 23:22.04 | zrin | simy: I'm not sure, but I'd say local_domains goes to the main config file |
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| 23:22.42 | Azar | miki2: you have to understand: there is NO WAY a 2.6 kernel will have your USB module. period. understand that |
| 23:22.45 | zrin | simy: try to look up this directive in the index |
| 23:23.05 | simy | zrin: which directive? |
| 23:23.13 | stew | Azar: which usb module? |
| 23:23.13 | zrin | simy: local_domains |
| 23:23.31 | Azar | stew, the same he is looking for for the past 3 days: his old USB modem |
| 23:23.32 | miki2 | Azar: so i pasted pastebin with kernel config differences, to track problem but noone answered |
| 23:23.42 | simy | zrin: hmmm.... |
| 23:23.46 | Ts0p | stew : man you are the only one that helps |
| 23:23.48 | zrin | simy: you might save your current config, then recofigure and compare |
| 23:23.56 | thingfish | stew is the bomb |
| 23:24.01 | Azar | miki2: because there is no ready made one for your USB modem, you will have to do it yourself |
| 23:24.04 | stew | Azar: so he has a usb device that is supported in 2.4 but isn't supported in 2.6? |
| 23:24.08 | stew | gee thanks |
| 23:24.11 | Azar | stew: yes |
| 23:24.12 | Sonny | Hi, how can I disable the swap ? |
| 23:24.26 | Ts0p | stew if i was a girl i would give you some every day man ...lol |
| 23:24.36 | thingfish | someday, when I own my own pub, all DDs and #debian ops will drink for free. |
| 23:24.45 | simy | zrin: nobody relys on my server is more of a hobbie, it handels my personal email, but nothing important, so if it dosnt work, until i fix it theres no harm no foul... ill just tinker, and read and tinker :) thanks for your help and patience |
| 23:24.47 | Azar | stew: I googled for him all the way, everywhere same issue: speedtouch modem problems in 2.6 kernel |
| 23:24.49 | miki2 | Azar, stwe: just check USB host controller line in pastebin(i covered both configs in one pastebin) |
| 23:24.55 | miki2 | http://pastebin.com/668242 |
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| 23:25.03 | zrin | simy: np, yw |
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| 23:25.04 | thingfish | well, ops + studs in #debian that help out. |
| 23:25.08 | stew | Azar: and this causes the generic usb drivers to not even detect the modem being inserted? |
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| 23:25.30 | Ts0p | stew my problem is when i do startx i get Fatal error , will you help me plz |
| 23:25.34 | thingfish | hell, ops will get soda only if they don't start being more present. |
| 23:25.49 | stew | thingfish: if i ever could figure out a way to collect all the beer i've been promised over irc, i'd be even more of a drunk happy fool than i already am :) |
| 23:25.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:25.59 | stew | Ts0p: what version of which x-server? |
| 23:26.07 | miki2 | stew: no USB device is detected, modem, mouse, printer, pendrive |
| 23:26.08 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.24 | Ts0p | stew free86 |
| 23:26.34 | kspath | Ts0p: Tell stew if you are on Sarge or Etch or Sid. |
| 23:26.37 | Azar | Debian is not listed, but Ubuntu is.. he might take a read there |
| 23:26.39 | stew | Ts0p: which driver, which chipset |
| 23:26.47 | zrin | miki2: does your modem have a RJ45 / Ethernet connector? |
| 23:26.52 | miki2 | Azar: i got all files to config/install modem on my hdd, i just need to enable USB |
| 23:26.54 | Ts0p | stew sarge |
| 23:27.03 | miki2 | zrin: nope, its pure USB |
| 23:27.15 | thingfish | ooh man I wish I had some charcoal, it'd be a good night to BBQ. |
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| 23:27.21 | stew | miki2: if none of your usb devices are working you can ignore the modem until you get your usb working |
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| 23:27.38 | Azar | miki2: Different versions of the modem use different firmware. If you already have firmware you know works with your modem then stick with that. |
| 23:27.51 | miki2 | stew: and thats what im trying to do, i got kernel config files and differences in usb host controller liste i this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/668242 |
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| 23:28.06 | miki2 | Azar: i know all that crap, sience my modem works under 2.4.27 |
| 23:28.11 | Ts0p | stew i don't know the driver , lspci VGA gives me 82865g Inergated Graphics D evice (rev 02) |
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| 23:28.28 | stew | miki2: you shouldn't have to touch the configs, my advice for you remains the same as the advice i kept trying to give you yesterday |
| 23:28.29 | kspath | Ts0p: Intel? |
| 23:28.29 | rabies | kspath: i need a soundcard with mutlopen support |
| 23:28.30 | Azar | miki2: I give up I told you what your alternatives are, its getting old already |
| 23:28.32 | zood | Jeez, trying to get IRC help for mac is one heck of a pain. #debian rocks! |
| 23:28.32 | rabies | kspath: multiopen |
| 23:28.34 | rabies | thats the name |
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| 23:28.36 | zood | !beer everybody |
| 23:28.38 | Kournikova | how can i stop proftpd to do a dns lookup via nameservers instead of looking in /etc/hosts? the host with ip is in /etc/hosts and it still tries to lookup via nameservers (resolv.conf) |
| 23:28.41 | kspath | Ts0p: Did you try VESA yet? |
| 23:28.42 | Ts0p | yes Intel? |
| 23:28.49 | Ts0p | no |
| 23:28.53 | king_dan | hey guys, is it me or has webmin dissapeared from the package list?! |
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| 23:29.09 | Azar | miki2: your usb modem speedtouch is not working with a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 23:29.28 | stew | Ts0p: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0300:/{print $3?}'" return? |
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| 23:29.33 | jshriver | Hi.. is alsa just part of the kernel or seperate? confused because I'm trying to compile mplayer and it's saying I dont have alsa |
| 23:29.34 | miki2 | Azar: usb controller is not working with 2.6.8, not modem |
| 23:29.39 | kspath | Ts0p: stew might know a lot more but intel had MANY variations of their onboard and they sometimes use some of your main ram rather than their own ram |
| 23:29.40 | stew | Azar: no, that is not his problem |
| 23:29.42 | jshriver | yet I dont see any alsa dev in the cache |
| 23:29.56 | Azar | stew: what is then? been 3 days now |
| 23:30.13 | liable | king_dan: yeah dropped from post sarge. there was an announcement somewhere. (try reading DWN) |
| 23:30.23 | magyar | anyone managed to get X runing in amd64? |
| 23:30.37 | nvz | Yuengling Lager sounds like something that oozed down my throat through my nose and I coughed back up |
| 23:30.43 | king_dan | ahh how annoying! i liked that! any alternatives someone wants to reccomend? |
| 23:31.03 | miki2 | Azar: if i will get my USB to work, then my modem will run sience i got all files/config already on hdd |
| 23:31.07 | nse | jshriver: alsa is a module which is added to the kernel. you must install it to run mplayer |
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| 23:31.10 | Ts0p | stew nothing happen |
| 23:31.20 | Ts0p | i keep getting > |
| 23:31.30 | jshriver | what is the alsa module or how can I see if it's loaded? I just did a fresh install of sarge so it's a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:31.35 | liable | nse: mplayer cant use oss? |
| 23:31.44 | kspath | Ts0p: Did you do the quotes right? |
| 23:31.44 | stew | Ts0p: uuh, just "lspci -n | grep 0300 " then |
| 23:31.59 | jshriver | think it can, but from what I understand oss is pretty much dead and it's best to use alsa and the alsa oss bridge |
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| 23:32.04 | stew | oh i dropped an extra ? in there |
| 23:32.15 | Azar | stew: scroll down to Debian see what it say: Requires kernel 2.4.18+ or N HDLC patch: http://steve-parker.org/speedtouchconf/ |
| 23:32.22 | kspath | Ts0p: > is a prompt asking you for more due to not closing a ' or " |
| 23:32.25 | tarzeau | someone good with webdesign? |
| 23:32.29 | liable | jshriver: you either need the 2.4 alsa modules package or a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:32.43 | nse | liable: yes i was wrong. actually i was not really meaning MUST |
| 23:32.53 | magyar | i have a server running etch. It is installed on a scsi raid. If I plug a SATA drive into the system it gives me the "BusyBox" how can i fix the problem? |
| 23:32.59 | Ts0p | stew am lost now |
| 23:32.59 | liable | nse: np |
| 23:33.10 | Ts0p | stew what do u excally want me to do |
| 23:33.25 | stew | Ts0p: type this: lspci -n | grep 0300 |
| 23:33.28 | stew | Ts0p: then tell me the output |
| 23:33.43 | liable | jshriver: plus the alsa-base alsa-utils packages. |
| 23:33.44 | kspath | Ts0p: Make sure you are at your normal prompt and not > |
| 23:33.48 | troppix | hi u all |
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| 23:34.31 | jshriver | ok those are all installed |
| 23:34.37 | jshriver | how do I add the module? modprobe x? |
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| 23:34.44 | stew | Azar: that page is all speedtouch specific. there is no use in doing anything speedtouch specific if his usb cannot detect any devices whatsoever |
| 23:34.49 | liable | jshriver: try running alsaconf |
| 23:35.04 | miki2 | Azar: but 2/4/27 detects every USB hardware by default and 2.6.8 detects nothing, y should i be using workarounds(wich are going to fail for 80%) instead of proper USB driver? and i know wich drivers i need, but i got no idea how to get them |
| 23:35.04 | jshriver | k |
| 23:35.05 | Ts0p | stew nothing |
| 23:35.11 | troppix | can someone help me with an issue in apt-get.....? |
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| 23:35.27 | stew | Ts0p: do you know if your VGA card is intel or not? |
| 23:35.37 | Ts0p | stew it's intel |
| 23:35.42 | stew | !drxx Ts0p |
| 23:35.43 | dpkg | Ts0p: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 23:35.55 | stew | Ts0p: ^^^ try using the i810 driver when you configure x |
| 23:36.04 | jshriver | hrm getting a ton of erors |
| 23:36.17 | Ts0p | stew i810? |
| 23:36.36 | stew | Ts0p: yes, that will be one of your choices of drivers under dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:36.41 | stew | Ts0p: leave busid and amount of ram blank |
| 23:36.42 | jshriver | here's a weird one.. why does ctrl-alt-backspace automatically shut off my puter! I never did this till just an hour or so ago when I did a fresh install |
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| 23:36.53 | jshriver | so it's software based |
| 23:37.31 | kspath | Ts0p: consider looking at your BIOS settings related to onboard VGA as well but do not change anything until you tried everything else first. |
| 23:37.33 | abrotman | it should crash X .. not shut it off |
| 23:37.43 | jshriver | or how can I get the flash mozfirefox plugin? it's not listed |
| 23:37.47 | jshriver | but use to be |
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| 23:38.05 | Ts0p | stew which method i should use |
| 23:38.10 | abrotman | !tell jshriver about flash |
| 23:38.19 | Ts0p | stew simple , medium |
| 23:38.21 | stew | Ts0p: how is your monitor connected? vga cable? dvi cable? laptop? |
| 23:38.25 | kspath | Ts0p: stew is saying if you leave blank it will try to auto-detect/guess. |
| 23:38.39 | stew | Ts0p: start with simple |
| 23:38.42 | jshriver | how do you add non-free to sources? |
| 23:38.52 | Ts0p | stew dvi |
| 23:38.52 | abrotman | !tell jshriver about non-free |
| 23:38.52 | stew | jshriver: /msg dpkg non-free ; man sources.list |
| 23:38.54 | jshriver | rather what is the string for the non-free path |
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| 23:38.57 | stew | Ts0p: then definately simple |
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| 23:39.48 | jshriver | thanks |
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| 23:41.01 | jshriver | what is the latest 2.6 kernel in debian? |
| 23:41.12 | abrotman | depends which version of debian |
| 23:41.16 | jshriver | latest |
| 23:41.18 | jshriver | 3.1 r1 think |
| 23:41.23 | jshriver | just downloaded it.. sarge |
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| 23:41.34 | nse | the regular debian repositories are enough for me, does this happens to everybody? |
| 23:41.38 | Ts0p | stew i still get fatal error |
| 23:41.39 | stew | jshriver: 2.6.8-3 for sarge |
| 23:41.42 | jshriver | thanks |
| 23:41.48 | stew | Ts0p: no screens found? |
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| 23:42.01 | stew | Ts0p: or no core pointer? |
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| 23:42.09 | jshriver | if I apt-get install kernel-image blah blah does it install everything or just the image? It'l need moduels source etc |
| 23:42.12 | Ts0p | stew:are you sitting next to me here? lol yes no screen found |
| 23:42.18 | stew | jshriver: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 23:42.26 | jshriver | thanks lol dpkg is my friend |
| 23:42.26 | dpkg | my pleasure, jshriver |
| 23:42.40 | kspath | Ts0p: no stew is reading your short term memory |
| 23:42.54 | Ts0p | kspath hahah |
| 23:43.18 | lucia | Hi. I'm having problems with mounting a device /dev/pts. Please look at URL: http://pastebin.com/668292 |
| 23:43.30 | stew | Ts0p: can you put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log and your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 somewhere that we could see them? |
| 23:43.46 | kspath | !tell Ts0p about paste |
| 23:44.00 | Ts0p | am not on that computer |
| 23:44.05 | EruditeHermit | hey, I've had the following problem for a few days, can anyone help? http://rafb.net/paste/results/3PYtrw19.html |
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| 23:44.11 | Ts0p | 1 sec |
| 23:44.23 | jshriver | ok things are going nicely :) |
| 23:44.28 | Ts0p | ???? |
| 23:44.33 | jshriver | now to fix the ctrl-alt-backspace problem lol any ideas? |
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| 23:45.10 | jshriver | it doesnt log me off or restart x like it use to.. it just turns my machine completely off no shutdown just power down immediately |
| 23:45.23 | Ts0p | stew irssi -bash: irssi: command not found |
| 23:45.54 | kspath | ? |
| 23:47.02 | tarzeau | Ts0p: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 23:47.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey |
| 23:47.18 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:47.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: i need your comment |
| 23:47.24 | abrotman | you suck! |
| 23:47.31 | abrotman | comment on what? |
| 23:47.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: no you must look at my new webpage |
| 23:47.52 | tarzeau | it's not really a blog, but hey, it has style and .plan is at least as good: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ |
| 23:48.07 | abrotman | why does tarzeau have pony tails? |
| 23:48.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: i want a pony |
| 23:48.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: my gf likes that |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:48.28 | kspath | tarzeau: Are those handles? |
| 23:48.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's so.. masculine |
| 23:48.46 | tarzeau | kspath: ya for the riding |
| 23:48.52 | abrotman | right |
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| 23:48.59 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 23:49.10 | tarzeau | can gimp shave beards? |
| 23:49.34 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I dont think there is a special filter for that. |
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| 23:49.55 | tarzeau | ribnitz: pity... back to normal shaving then |
| 23:49.56 | kspath | tarzeau: cloning tool? |
| 23:50.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: huh? |
| 23:50.12 | ribnitz | Is there a howto on getting cyrillic displayed correctly and being able to input it? (in debian) |
| 23:50.23 | tarzeau | !ru |
| 23:50.23 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 23:50.25 | ribnitz | tarzeau: yes, at least every 2 days. |
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| 23:50.36 | pingouin | what do you think about: all music is played by xmms or mpg123, everything is unmute in alsamixer, the sound «runs» no errors...but no sound out from HP (yes there a pluged and ON) any clue ? |
| 23:50.47 | insidius | how can i delete a folder with something in it- keeps telling me its not empty |
| 23:50.54 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 23:50.54 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 23:50.59 | tarzeau | insidius: -rf |
| 23:51.23 | Ts0p | stew can i pm u plz? |
| 23:51.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: your hobbies? |
| 23:51.38 | ribnitz | insidius: though thats dabngerous, that will delete without asking. |
| 23:51.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: guitar? .. btw .. send me your guitar :) |
| 23:52.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: the framus? my lovely framus? |
| 23:52.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: my LOVE GUITAR? |
| 23:52.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: bitch! |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | you don't even use it |
| 23:52.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: i do |
| 23:52.42 | sanmarcos | why doesnt debian include protection against forkbombs by default? |
| 23:52.45 | ribnitz | Me needs an input locale, a latex font, and a way to input the cyrillic so I can type up my wordlists for my russian language course. |
| 23:52.50 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: why should it? |
| 23:52.59 | ribnitz | sanmarcos: how would you do that? |
| 23:53.07 | tarzeau | ribnitz: checked the russian debian channels yet? |
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| 23:53.24 | ribnitz | tarzeau: my russian isnt that good yet. |
| 23:53.24 | tarzeau | ribnitz: !ru was for yu! #debian-russian |
| 23:53.30 | tarzeau | ribnitz: they know english |
| 23:53.35 | maher | anyone know how pine decides which url view to use? |
| 23:53.42 | sanmarcos | ribnitz: /etc/security/limits.conf ? to * ? |
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| 23:53.56 | sanmarcos | tarzeau: better security |
| 23:54.01 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: haha |
| 23:54.06 | ribnitz | sanmarcos: while fork(); ? |
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| 23:54.19 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: no, forkbombs can only do dos, but no security stuff |
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| 23:54.30 | YouCeyE | any good utils to kill cpu hogging apps? |
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| 23:54.36 | tarzeau | YouCeyE: pkill |
| 23:54.39 | north360 | stew |
| 23:54.40 | sanmarcos | tarzeau: I mean, anybody can come to your prompt and do :(){ :|:& };: (dont do it). Or trhough ssh. but i guess if you have been accessed throguh ssh you have bigger problems |
| 23:54.42 | tarzeau | YouCeyE: -u and -9 are handy |
| 23:54.45 | ribnitz | sanmarcos: and forkbombs are also lame after you tried them once or twice. |
| 23:54.51 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: go ahead, my host is linuks.mine.nu |
| 23:54.51 | YouCeyE | tarzeau, i know.. but i want something automated |
| 23:55.01 | sanmarcos | tarzeau: they can crash a system |
| 23:55.09 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: what idiot would kill a remote shell that he just got? |
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| 23:55.19 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: and then? man how old are you? |
| 23:55.24 | tarzeau | YouCeyE: and? |
| 23:55.29 | sanmarcos | tarzeau: if you were trying to stop the user that was currently working |
| 23:55.30 | tarzeau | YouCeyE: the package "and" |
| 23:55.33 | sanmarcos | tarzeau: 27 |
| 23:55.43 | earth | #LinPeople |
| 23:55.45 | YouCeyE | tarzeau, k.. thanks.. any good config files for and? |
| 23:55.51 | syntrx | tarzeau: deciding what limits the system should impose on users is *your* responsibility, as admin of the box |
| 23:55.56 | YouCeyE | and is nice demon right? |
| 23:55.57 | tarzeau | YouCeyE: check the documentation of it |
| 23:56.02 | syntrx | err |
| 23:56.08 | syntrx | sorry tarzeau, wrong dude |
| 23:56.15 | tarzeau | YouCeyE: yes |
| 23:56.20 | tarzeau | YouCeyE: but it can also kill stuff |
| 23:56.23 | ribnitz | syntrx: And sometimes not that easy to do. |
| 23:56.58 | syntrx | sanmarcos: the os doesn't impose disk quotas automatically, for example. running out of disk space doesnt do a box any favours either |
| 23:57.21 | ribnitz | syntrx: Its not that bad, unless it happens on /tmp |
| 23:57.22 | sanmarcos | syntrx: ext has reserve space, it doenst "run out of space" completely |
| 23:57.53 | simonrvn | sanmarcos: you miss the point |
| 23:57.53 | sanmarcos | I am guessing other fs do too |
| 23:58.08 | syntrx | sanmarcos: it can get close enough to not be very useful anymore, but you're missing the point |
| 23:58.56 | sanmarcos | syntrx: anyways.. |
| 23:58.58 | insidius | So lets say I accidently entered rm -rf at the prompt what would of happenened? |
| 23:59.10 | deadcat | error |
| 23:59.12 | sanmarcos | insidius: try it, nothing |
| 23:59.15 | insidius | phew |
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| 23:59.28 | sanmarcos | rm -rf /, or * in the other hand, and you are doomed |
| 23:59.41 | insidius | Just making sure after my break neck pace of DELETE DELETE DELETE |
