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00:00.08ryan`_spq, i'm looking at it
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00:00.25relisAnyone know a good msn emulator besides amsn, gaim?
00:00.33ryan`the -buffers/cache line doesn't change when I make a big file on my tmpfs filesystem
00:00.35dererkFilesystems?
00:00.37surgerelis: bitlbee
00:00.46dererkUmmm, I think I miss what you are looking at
00:00.48relissurge: It lets you use DPs?
00:00.58surgerelis: DPs?
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00:01.04relissurge: display pics
00:01.29surgerelis: Ah, sorry, no. It is an IM-IRC relay. Lets you use your IRC client as an msn client.
00:01.42dererksurge, sorry, you lost me in that.. could you repeat that?
00:01.43relissurge: oh
00:01.54surgerelis: There is one in the KDE package, isn't there?
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00:02.19relissurge: thats gaim
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00:02.37surgedererk: You mentioned that module-assistant will sort modules out for me and download necessary packages. However, that is not possible as the laptop in question has no internet connection yet.
00:02.41surgerelis: No it's not.
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00:02.51surgerelis: I believe it's called Kopete or something?
00:03.00dererksurge, Oh, ok, I get it
00:03.12surgerelis: http://kopete.kde.org/
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00:03.26surgerelis: It allows DPs also.
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00:03.41SLiHmm, in addition to emacs showing all boxes, trying to change the font causes a segfault.
00:03.46relissurge: thx, this is what I was looking for
00:04.17dererksurge, So, download the "kernel-headers-2.4.27-xx-xx" file and the "rt2500-source" and "rt2500" packages
00:04.48surgedererk: By the way, if you're still looking, have you tried Smart Boot Manager? http://btmgr.webframe.org/
00:04.53dererksurge, the first one is the source module and the last one is the graphical App (was useful for me).
00:05.15dererksurge, Thanks I'll do that now :D
00:05.33dererkI_am_Mohammed, who? :P
00:05.54surgedererk: I'll give that a shot, thanks.
00:06.03dererksurge, you followed me?
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00:06.57surgedererk: Yea, just grabbing the headers package now.
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00:07.11dererksurge, I would you the ones I pointed to 'cause had troubles with other sources
00:07.12dererk:)
00:07.17dererkGreat :)
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00:07.51dererk!operators
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00:08.01surgeCome again?
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00:08.17stew!ops soss
00:08.18dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: soss
00:08.18Ronin!ops soss flooding
00:08.18dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: soss flooding
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00:08.30helixhmph
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00:08.34RvGaTeomg
00:08.36Ronini see we didnt take lilos advice about +R
00:08.39Roninor did we?
00:08.46stewRonin: we did for a while
00:08.49Roninahh
00:09.00mentorwe did while the bots were frequent
00:09.04mentorI've turned it off now
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00:10.29dererksurge, Thanks, seems to be what I were looking for :)
00:10.31Ronindererk: immaturity and serious inferiority complex and boy did i ever bugger that spelling
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00:10.39mentorI think we have a fair consensus that requiring everyone to register is a bad thing for this channel
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00:11.06surgedererk: No problem, I tried it a while back, but it wouldn't work due to reasons involving my USB cd-drive and the solid state of my floor.
00:11.11dererkmentor, Yes, I think that too :-\
00:11.19RvGaTestew: when configuring the mailserver, i used: Mail send by smarthost: no local mail.... then revered to my providers smtp, how can i test to see if this works ?
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00:12.04RichiHstew: thanks, klined the host
00:12.13dererkRonin, Ppl get's here for help.... so, if they need help to enter here for help, It wouldn't be good for me IMHO
00:12.17miki2i just installed 2.6.15-1-686 kernel from backports.org and it wont load... its stuck at 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...'
00:12.40Ronindererk: its not that hard to register a nick and identify, takes what less then one minute
00:12.44dererkmiki2, do you have a 686 type?
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00:12.54stewRichiH: cheers
00:12.55Roninbut like i said i can live with the boss's decisions
00:12.57dererkmiki2, or you have a k7 or so
00:12.57miki2dererk: yes, pentium 4
00:12.57mentorRonin: Well, yes, if you know what you are doing
00:13.02dererkOh :-\
00:13.09mentorRonin: Which is usually what people don't.
00:13.24mentorRonin: I think it's an unecessary condition too.
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00:13.37dererk<Ronin> dererk: its not that hard to register a nick and identify, takes what less then one minute <--- Indeed, but noobs ppl doesn't know that
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00:13.55mentorRonin: All concerns are valid. An idea that cannot stand up to doubt is not worth anything.
00:13.55RichiHplus, they will definately take more than a minute
00:13.59RichiHbelieve me.. ;)
00:14.06sabini need help running Sim City 3000 Unlimited: binary says: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
00:14.08mentorheh
00:14.18sabini'm assuming i have wrong glibc installed or something, what do i do?
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00:14.36relisAnyone know how to apt-get firefox 1.5 on debian stable?
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00:14.41powdernot again!
00:14.43evaded+R please
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00:15.05relis#debian zaxc H n=yuu@c-69-242-87-150.hsd1.pa.comcast.net :0 deee
00:15.08stewRichiH: there's another now
00:15.26RvGaTewhat's wrong with the people who control these kind of bots
00:15.34RichiH02:14:14 zelazny        Kill   >> zelazny.freenode.net confirmed the KILL of zaxc (n=yuu@c-69-242-87-150.hsd1.pa.comcast.net).
00:15.40plugwashhey is freenode too screwed up to even call it a kick anymore?
00:15.41RichiHstew: ;)
00:15.41_spqthey ve had a bad life
00:15.42stewRvGaTe: echo "test message" | /usr/sbin/sendmail someaddress@someotherdomain.com
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00:15.49RvGaTethx
00:15.51mentorfinally
00:16.17dererkRvGaTe, I ask myself the same
00:16.22RichiHRvGaTe: no life, no friends, whatever :)
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00:16.26mentorplugwash: Kick still exists, but there is a command /remove that just sends a normal client part message to the client. Prevens rejoin on kick
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00:16.42RichiHmentor: not quite, i have seen people rejoin on it
00:16.45RichiHthere are scripts
00:16.54zamaliphedid any one know how to cheang the "refresh rate" using grub ,or what ever i use "xorg"??
00:16.55RichiHbut most clients do not handly it gracefully
00:17.00mentors/Prevents/mitigates/
00:17.07Nemodersabin: is the problem with the game or the installer?
00:17.11RvGaTestew: hmm, ddn't recieve it, probably authed smtp, gotta go read some docs ;)
00:17.12mentoryes, you can check if you have sent a part request too
00:17.23RvGaTestew: thx for the command btw
00:17.26mentorbut as IRC is asynchronous many clients don't do that.
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00:17.38plugwashRichiH rule1: most abusers aren't smart
00:17.39RichiHplugwash: /remove basically tells the clients 'the server has processed your request to part channel @foo correctly'
00:17.39evadedzamaliphe: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
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00:17.41_thisismehi.. can anyone point me to some docs that describe the process of getting my debain install to connect to the network through a windows box (windows box is gateway to the inet)
00:17.53RichiH#foo, even
00:17.53miki2so, anyone know how to solve my problem? (Begin: Waiting for root file system...)
00:18.03stewRvGaTe: check /var/log/mail.log ; and read /usr/share/doc/README.Debian if you haven't yet.  also try running mailq
00:18.09RichiHplugwash: most clients act on faith about what the server tells them
00:18.46reliscan anyone tell me how to get a C compiler? what do I type after apt-get install
00:19.04chealerrelis: try build-essential
00:19.23reliswhy didnt one come with x-window-systemcore, kde? :(
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00:19.40sabinNemoder the message i pasted was from the game, the sc3u binary
00:19.42zamalipheevaded but how to start in run level 2 using grub?? to do it i cant start x?
00:19.44chealerrelis: why didn't a C compiler come with X and KDE?
00:19.55relischealer: yesm.
00:20.08relischealer: I thought it would need a C compiler..
00:20.09evadedzamaliphe: I not know
00:20.13chealerrelis: perhaps because neither KDE nor X are C compilers?
00:20.31chealerrelis: KDE and X don't need C compilers, no
00:20.39evadedzamaliphe: 'init 2' i think, but really not sure
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00:21.20miki2i just installed 2.6.15-1-686 kernel from backports.org and it wont load... its stuck at 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' any help?
00:21.27evadedzamaliphe: You can boot in rescue mode
00:21.31zamalipheevaded thanks alot i will tray it
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00:23.12Nemodersabin: try this:  LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 /usr/local/bin/sc3u
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00:26.11Nemodersabin: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Simcity_3000
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00:27.12sabinNemoder, didn't work but i found some clues on a wiki (maybe wikipedia, maybe the page u found)
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00:28.01k31thIf i wanted to set some thing in vixiecron to run at say 7am wat would i put in crontab ?
00:28.40lostsonchron.daily ?
00:28.56lostsonor cron.daily ??
00:29.12k31thlostson: every day yes :D im wanting to use my pc for my alarm clock blasting a mp3 at me in the morning should wake me  up :D
00:29.30lostsonwhy use cron there are much easier apps to use
00:29.38k31thlostson: such as?
00:29.43lostsonkinda overkill for an alarm clock
00:29.51lostsonwhat desktop you using ?
00:30.12k31thgnome
00:30.14loggygregk31th: expensive alarm clock
00:30.17lostsonyou using xmms ?
00:30.27k31thlostson: i have xxms
00:30.31k31thit works etc
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00:30.40lostsonuse xmms alarm
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00:31.05k31thloggygreg: yea :D alarm clocks are to quite to wake me and keep me from falling asleep if i have a stereo blasting
00:31.09lostsonyou can set it to what days ane never have to set it again
00:31.10k31thi have to get up :D
00:31.20k31thlostson: from command line ?
00:31.21lostsonyou can set the volume etx etx
00:31.30lostsonno right from xmms
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00:32.43k31thlostson: is it a plugin?
00:32.50lostsonit will be in the preferences --> general plugin
00:32.53lostsonyes its a plugin
00:33.08k31thnot there i guss i can apt it
00:33.18lostsonyes apt-get xmms-alarm
00:33.22lostsonyes apt-get install xmms-alarm
00:33.27lostsondamn i need a beer
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00:34.12k31thhe he
00:34.14k31thi need 6
00:34.19k31thbut its time for bed
00:34.24k31ththanks for your help lostson
00:34.29lostsonanytime
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00:37.30mineraleHi, I have two questions: a) how may I download firefox1.5 in stable? and b) my screen flickers wildly when a "white window" is open, what tools (other that dpkg-confi... xfree...) may I use to try to force an increased refresh rate?
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00:38.07Gnea!tell minerale about backports
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00:38.41Nemoderminerale: xvidtune might help
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00:39.15RvGaTeIts 2.36 over here, im tired, and im going to bed, i want to thank everyone who helped me today, i realyy appritcaaated iiii yaaaawn... zzzzzzzZZzzzzzzz
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00:39.35lunaphytehow crazy am i to contemplate swapping a floppy drive without powering down?
00:40.59zinxluna: don't do it
00:41.00Gnealunaphyte: comtimplating death?
00:41.00zinxluna: your computer will crash and you'll have to reboot anyway
00:41.00Gneaer, contemplating
00:41.00Gneazinx: he may not be able to boot at all
00:41.01lunaphyteguaranteed?
00:41.01lunaphytei f-ing hate floppy drives.
00:41.02zinxluna: your computer will definitely crash if you try it.
00:41.05magyarneed mp3 plugin for xmms
00:41.18zinxluna: the being able to boot or not afterwards isn't guaranteed :D
00:41.21Gnealunaphyte: power it down, unplug it properly, unscrew it, remove it, turn the computer back on.
00:41.40lunaphyteyes yes i know the procedure ;)
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00:41.55Gneai haven't had a floppy drive in any of my systems for over a year now
00:42.05Nemoderlunaphyte: or consider an external usb floppy drive
00:42.13lunaphytesame - that's why i now have to replace this drive
00:42.30lunaphytedon't think i can update biod from a usb floppy
00:42.37lunaphytes/biod/bios/
00:42.55Nemoderjust depends if bios can boot from usb devices I guess
00:42.56zinxCD w/ el torito :D
00:43.21zinxand yeah, modern bioses (which i'm assuming you have, since there's now an update) can boot from USB floppy
00:43.59Gnealunaphyte: shouldn't be a problem if your system isn't old
00:44.08lunaphytesomewhat old
00:44.34SLiI wonder if compiling emacs with debugging symbols works in any nice kind of way.
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00:45.00lunaphytealright, thanks for the sanity votes. i guess i'll be right back.
00:45.01SLi(Actually I'm trying to do it right now, not only wondering.)
00:45.05lr_kthey does anyone know how to get out of that xkb mode where you have to double hit the dblquote key to get a dblquote and double hit the tilde key to get a tilde? i can't figure out which bit of the xkb i've messed up.
00:45.08plugwash[01:39] <lunaphyte> how crazy am i to contemplate swapping a floppy drive without powering down? <-- this should actually work
00:45.24plugwashas long as the drive isn't active at the time of the swap nothing should care
00:45.36plugwashthe floppy drive interface is very old and simple
00:45.46surgedererk: Awesome, the module works now, thanks.
00:45.47Gneaplugwash: please, don't smoke crack
00:46.03plugwashgnea what makes you think i'm smoking crack?
00:46.30powderthe crackpipe in your pocket
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00:46.31Gneaplugwash: you have no concept of how electronics work, do you?
00:47.30plugwashactually i do, just coming towards the end of my second year studying electronic systems enginering
00:47.39Gneaif the bios thinks that there's something connected and if you disconnect it, it could cause an electrical feedback and if the motherboard doesn't have the proper protection built into it, you could fry not only the board, but other parts as well
00:48.12plugwashrofl
00:48.28Gneaplugwash: in that case, i'm sure that even your instructor will agree that disconnecting it while it's running is a dumb idea
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00:50.07bonggnuholas, como grabo una iso de una live distro en un pendrive?=
00:50.17Gneaplugwash: *you* may know how to disconnect it without screwing anything up, but not everyone does
00:50.29mineraleAnyone here has Realtek sound card working in debian ?
00:50.32Gnea!es
00:50.32dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:53.52plugwashiirc the floppy bus is just standard digital logic signals, pulling the plug on a floppy shouldn't be any different from pulling the plug on say a printer
00:53.56mineraleOk, I found a .c file that contains drivers for my audio card... anyone know how I can proceed to "install" it ?
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00:54.12jshriverhello :)
00:54.25lunaphytei'll have to try on a computer i'm willing to sacrifice.
00:54.53jshriverAnyone know how to setup a ftp server, and setup an account that has restricted access?
00:55.35mentorGiven that the bus wasn't designed with the assumption that it would be hotplugged, the circuitry wasn't either
00:56.18mentoras opposed to parallel ports, which are designed with that assumption in mind
00:57.21mentorI wouldn't worry so much about unplugging one, but plugging one in will probably lead to an in rush current that will trip the power supply or fry some chips.
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00:57.30mentorAlso, the chipset probably won't recognise that it is plugged in
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00:58.13SLiSomehow the emacs build process makes me feel strange. I don't like things like controlled core dumps very much.
00:58.19plugwashwell no power goes down the interface cable so there may be a bit of inrush but it shuoldn't be significant on any one connection
00:58.25powderjshriver, check out vsftpd
00:58.41Azarminerale: you do not want to download/or install "files" for hardware. you apt-get install alsa and alsaconf will see and configure your audio driver
00:58.41mentorplugwash: point.
00:58.45mentorplugwash: It is precharged
00:58.48TchiakI have a fat32 partition that when i try to mount, it causes linux to completely lockup (no mouse, or keyboard response).  I was copying from this harddrive when for some reason my system restarted.  Now i can't access this particular partition only.  Are there any utilities for debian or linux that can check and or fix errors on the fat32 partition?
00:58.50kspathplugwash: "no power" ?
00:58.57SLiBut at last I managed to build emacs with debugging symbols. Took some tweaking of debian/rules.
00:59.13kspathplugwash: You mean limited power?
00:59.17mentorkspath: ITHM in the sense of significant power, as opposed to data
00:59.28jshriverhrm I just installed wuftpd.. added a user, and changed the /etc/passwd to reflect a new home location. But it seems the user can cd  to anywhere
00:59.34jshriverhow do I restrict it to just it's home directory
00:59.39plugwashthe power cable is seperate and i can't imagine the inrush on there would be any higher when plugging in an operational power cable than when turning the psu on with the drive attatched
00:59.45plugwashas for the bios i can see that being a problem with adding a drive from scratch but not with swapping
00:59.50kspathmentor: Just trying to clarify since others are reading.  no is associated with none/zero
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01:00.14mentor:)
01:01.13SLiWoohoo, it works! I got a useful backtrace from an emacs crash.
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01:01.22kspathmentor: hotswap interfaces are designed differently.
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01:01.43SLiOnly 38 levels of function calls. *cough*
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01:03.28kspathanyone consider  static discharges from a human and/or their clothing or the "new" drive/cable. hotswap designs sometimes take precautions that non-hotswap would not.
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01:03.57miki2i just installed 2.6.15-1-686 kernel from backports.org and it wont load... its stuck at 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' any help?
01:04.00plugwashstatic could be an issue but would be just as much of an issue with cold swapping as hot swapping
01:04.02kspathall that is required is a   potential difference.
01:04.19kspathplugwash: I am talking the interfaces.
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01:04.50litagewhat's wrong with this regex? grep says it's invalid:   grep -irn "include\(\".*config\.php" *
01:05.05lr_ktah, got it - was using the intl variant
01:05.17kspathplugwash: I do agree that static or other discharges can damage equipment that is not powered up.
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01:05.46NoRC`Whats the best movie player for GNome/XFree86?
01:05.54Tchiakmplayer
01:05.55Tchiak:P
01:05.58Tchiakoh wait
01:06.04Tchiakprolly shouldn't say that
01:06.08[newbie101]xine :-)
01:06.08Tchiaknevermind me
01:06.12Tchiako_O
01:06.15Tchiakxine sucks
01:06.16powderxine?  hahahaha
01:06.30Tchiakof any that are offered by debian as packages i would say totem
01:06.32[newbie101]xine is king
01:06.33lr_ktgst-launch
01:06.35NoRC`lol xine or mplayer... which one?
01:06.38NoRC`I have totem atm
01:06.44[newbie101]you can get gxine :-)
01:06.47NoRC`which from what i gather is a front end to xine
01:06.49Tchiakmplayer is good if you know how to compile from source
01:07.05evaded!enter
01:07.05dpkgThe enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or  ellipsis '...' instead.  Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).
01:07.07NoRC`I want something thats compatable with lots of formats of video/audio
01:07.37TchiakIf you know how to compile from source mplayer is your best bet.
01:07.49magyari get "could not start process for imaps" when connecting to kmail
01:07.50Tchiaki think there are some .deb files out there for it
01:07.56sabinNemoder, you still here? I got the game to boot
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01:08.07Tchiakbut I know none can be grabbed from debian's current set of packages
01:08.16NoRC`I can complile from source... But id rather use a .deb if possible. Could you point me in a direction?
01:08.27powdercompiling sucks.  just add the debian-marillat repo to your sources.
01:08.37DwonisTchiak: You don't need to compile mplayer.
01:08.40Dwonis!tell Tchiak about marillat
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01:09.00sabinguys i'm running sim city 3000 unlimited, it looks for /dev/dsp but I'm running sid with udev, what should I link /dev/dsp to? (my sound works in other apps)
01:09.58Tchiakanyone got any clue on my little problem?
01:10.49Dwonissabin: modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss
01:10.57NoRC`With adding debian-marillat... What exactly do i add? Do i just append it to a source url in my list?
01:11.03Dwonissabin: If that works, add snd-pcm-oss and snd-seq-oss to /etc/modules
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01:11.29Dwonis!tell NoRC` about marillat
01:13.05sabinDwonis, awesome, thanks, OSS emulation?
01:13.12Dwonissabin: exactly
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01:13.37Tchiakdwonis you got any experience dealing with fixing fat fs issues on debian?
01:13.42DwonisTchiak: You could try installing dosfstools.  It has fsck.vfat
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01:14.14dererksurge, Great :)
01:14.15DwonisTchiak: I've never seen the problem you describe, though, so no guarantees (as if there ever were any ;)
01:14.34evadeddpkg have an dead link in the keyword marillat
01:14.41Tchiakyeah it's an odd problem
01:14.43dererksurge, Btw, do you know if it's possible to use SmartBoot to be load in a floopy?
01:14.46Tchiaknever had anything like this happen
01:14.58Tchiaki was copying all the data off to a offsite backup when it died and this started happening
01:15.10Tchiaki was gonna convert it to resierfs
01:15.14zamaliphehi all my frind have old monitor and i cant start x how to cheang the "refresh rate"?? can i do that using grub??
01:15.22Tchiakand then the conversion of this machine from windows to linux native will be complete
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01:16.41[newbie101]you cant change the refresh rate using grub
01:16.50RTFMman, RTFM
01:16.55evadedzamaliphe: When the menu appear, can you not choose to boot in rescue mode so that then you can run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree'
01:17.16Tchiako_o
01:17.23Tchiakyou could try ctrl+alt+backspace
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01:17.30[newbie101]yea, drop into a console
01:17.34Dwonis!marillat
01:17.34dpkgwell, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer>  being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add.  If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>.  For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge>
01:17.38Tchiakor you can do ctrl+alt+F3
01:17.43[newbie101]then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf or xfree.conf depending on what you use
01:17.46Tchiakto get into console mode with x running
01:17.48RTFMman debian is so hard
01:17.50chealerRTFM: what's wrong about info?
01:17.55Dwonisevaded: fixed the dead link
01:18.02evadedDwonis: ;-)
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01:18.42evadedDwonis: That's looks very better now ;-)
01:18.52[newbie101]then, scroll down to the Section "Monitor" and manually change your refresh rate from there
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01:19.28Tchiakwhat'sw really odd dwonis is that thi is occuring and there is no errors in any of the log files
01:19.37[newbie101]if in Section "Monitor", you dont have a VertRefresh entry
01:19.47[newbie101]add in VertRefresh X-Y
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01:19.49DwonisTchiak: Are you accessing the filesystem from X or the console?
01:19.50RTFMguys, debian is hard and i propose we all use mandriva
01:20.00[newbie101]where X is the lower bound and Y are the upper bound of the refresh rates you want
01:20.05DwonisTchiak: If you do it from the console, you might see a kernel panic message or something
01:20.07Tchiaki'm using Xterm to mount the fs
01:20.16Tchiakusing mount /dev/hdb5 /local/hdb5
01:20.24Tchiakand when i do that the entire system locks
01:20.35Tchiakrequiring a quick boot of the power supply switch to restart
01:20.38RTFMwhy can't there be one linux OS like windows instead of having multiple manufacturers?
01:20.54Dwonis!start a distro war
01:20.54Tchiakcause it would allow introduction of shit like what microsoft puts out
01:20.55dpkgLFS sux0rz!
01:21.03Tchiakmore distro's = more choice
01:21.04asgRTFM: erm, there are multiple versions of Windows
01:21.12debianasg: haha
01:21.12DwonisTchiak, asg: don't feed the trolls
01:21.17asg!tell NoRC` about away
01:21.17Tchiakawww
01:21.24Tchiaki like feeding trolls
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01:21.50RTFMyeah but there is only 1 release at a time
01:21.58RTFMand everything runs on windows
01:21.59chealerRTFM: you misred the CD. Debian stable is Debian 31! Mandrake 10 is so old-fashion!
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01:22.19asgRTFM: erm, no. XP Home, XP Pro, XP for tards... Server <insert year here>
01:22.24[newbie101]go back to windows n00b
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01:22.41Dwonis[newbie101], lol
01:22.43asgevaded: OpenBSD release CDs come with a plethora of stickers
01:22.44evadedI can not follow :-/
01:22.46Dwonis[newbie101], read slashdot today?
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01:22.56RTFMI am on windows, and I love it
01:23.01RTFMeverything runs on it
01:23.05[newbie101]nah lol, why?
01:23.09RTFMeven your open source stuff
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01:23.17thingfishgod I'm all dirty...I've been hanging out in #fedora.
01:23.26RTFMnow fedora is sick
01:23.31thingfishoh for sure
01:23.32Tchiakdwonis.. mind if i query you with something i found in my kern.log?
01:23.38RTFMYou put the cd in, it does everything for ya and its ready to go
01:23.40thingfishit's just that I have friends there.
01:23.43evadedasg: I think i go to go to buy sticker to change the keys, it's actually azerty and i whant qwerty because i can not follow here
01:23.52Tchiaki feel dirty i went to redhats webpage
01:23.53Dwonis[newbie101], people bitching about us not kissing the asses of the trolls: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/19/1235227
01:23.54asgevaded: oh, those kind of stickers
01:23.56Tchiakand i liked it
01:24.04evadedasg: Yup ;-)
01:24.06asgRTFM: you haven't used Windows long then apparently
01:24.06[newbie101]lol, hillarious
01:24.11RTFMFedora is the only good linux distro, but windows owns linux and fedora
01:24.29evadedasg: I make to mistakes here because i need to be consentraten on that keyboard layout
01:24.37evadedshit
01:24.39AlienXlol fedora is the only good linux distro? Thanks! Funniest thing i've heard all day
01:24.41thingfishTchiak: two tablespoonsful of robitussin.
01:24.41evadedto many ...
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01:25.04debianRTFM: this is not a channel to express your peronal opinion on anything.
01:25.04RTFMbut you didnt deny the fact that windows is better than linux
01:25.06evaded!tell evaded about shit
01:25.08Atrocityi learned an important lesson tonight
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01:25.11thingfishRTFM: ok now you made me REALLY sorry I said anything.
01:25.13powderwe are angry debian eletists bwa ha ha
01:25.20Atrocitydon't do ./networking stop while remotely connected to a debian box :P
01:25.23evadedlol what dpkg say ;-)
01:25.39asgRTFM: sorry, I deny the fact that Windows is better than GNU/Linux.
01:25.39DwonisTchiak, blasphemy!  Debian *is* the best!
01:25.40RTFMok I will stop with this distro war
01:25.45thingfishoh god I'll never say another thing in this damn channel if it's going to bring out fedora defenders.
01:25.53AlienXRTFM, i think we out-number you :)
01:26.03TchiakRTFM: The distro war has been raging for years past and will continue to rage into the foreseeable future
01:26.03RTFMhow do I run emacs from the terminal?
01:26.11asgthingfish: we only defend OpenBSD here
01:26.11DwonisAtrocity: heh.  I think everyone has done that at some point.
01:26.14Atrocitytype emacs?
01:26.16asgRTFM: erm, you type 'emacs'
01:26.17Atrocityvim > emacs :P
01:26.21thingfishhehe asg
01:26.27RTFMlemme try
01:26.32powderlol
01:26.37DwonisAtrocity: for me, it was "ifdown eth0.  ok, now ifup... oh crap!"
01:26.46Atrocityhaha
01:26.53RTFMi get Emacs: Command not found
01:27.00AtrocityDwonis: i finally got port forwarding to work, then nat stopped working
01:27.02GutterPunkinstall it then
01:27.03asgRTFM: 1) it's emacs, not Emacs.
01:27.07AlienXRTFM, perhaps you should RTFM
01:27.10thingfishhehe
01:27.14[newbie101]rofl
01:27.14asgRTFM: 2) if 'emacs' doesn't work, install it
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01:27.18thingfish!schwing
01:27.19Atrocityso i ment to do a force-reload, but did a stop instead
01:27.25asgRTFM: unlike Windows, Unix is case sensitive
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01:27.37RTFMi am using Linux not unix
01:27.48Atrocityapt-get install vim
01:27.50Atrocityand use it :P
01:27.59DwonisI prefer vigor
01:28.06RTFMmy friend said vim is hard to use
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01:28.11RTFMso i stayed away from it
01:28.18Atrocitylol
01:28.18DwonisRTFM: Use vigor, it's much easier to learn
01:28.24Tchiako_o
01:28.24ForrestFhow do i set it in a debain based distro (Damsmalllinux) rigth after DHCP to sync my system clock
01:28.27DwonisRTFM: requires X, though
01:28.27Atrocityhit i to edit
01:28.28asg*plonk*
01:28.30Tchiakasg: good idea
01:28.33evadedRTFM: After installing vim, do the vimtutor
01:28.36Atrocitywhen you're done, hit esc, then :w then :q
01:28.54powderor just :wq
01:28.56RTFMwhy couldnt they put something simple like notepad
01:29.01asgTchiak: I tend to feed them more after a few beers
01:29.02thingfishoh lord
01:29.17thingfishasg: 'cause that
01:29.19DwonisRTFM: well, there _is_ something simple like notepad, but you would prefer vigor
01:29.21asgRTFM: apt-get install nano
01:29.27thingfish's when you're feeling all mellow
01:29.28Atrocityi remember nano
01:29.37FaithfulHi guys... I want to change 10.00CR into -10.00 inside a file with sed or awk any ideas?
01:29.41RTFMis it graphical?
01:29.42DwonisI remember _pico_, and why nano was written!
01:29.45thingfishoh lord
01:29.49DwonisRTFM: vigor is semi-graphical
01:29.51Tchiakasg: I hear that
01:29.53RTFMapt-get: command not found
01:29.59Tchiakasg: though sadly i'm almost out of beer
01:30.00thingfishrtfm *has* to be some gentoo shill...
01:30.02asgRTFM: then /j #fedora
01:30.06asgRTFM: or use yum
01:30.15asgthingfish: he's a fedora troll
01:30.18Dwonisasg: doesn't fedora also have apt-get ?
01:30.24asgDwonis: yes, it's called yum
01:30.27Tchiakasg: stop feeding him.. he's going to explode
01:30.34Atrocitylol
01:30.42Tchiaki don't wanna be the one to clean that up
01:30.43Dwonisasg: I thought you plonk'd him?
01:30.46asgTchiak: I wasn't feeding him, I was helping him. I haven't had time to *plonk* yet.
01:30.47Tchiaktroll guts EVERYWHERE
01:30.48Atrocitysweet
01:30.48Atrocitymarie:/etc/init.d# vigor
01:30.49Atrocityno display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable
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01:30.53thingfishasg: trailer trash.
01:30.57DwonisAtrocity: it requires X
01:31.02Atrocitypfft
01:31.05Atrocitywhy didn't you tell me that
01:31.06Atrocityi don't have X
01:31.11asgthingfish: my house doesn't have wheels though
01:31.18DwonisAtrocity: dpkg -s vigor
01:31.19asgDwonis: I'm getting there, I'm getting there
01:31.20thingfishasg: not you, him./
01:31.24asgthingfish: ;)
01:31.29thingfish;)
01:31.38RTFMwhat is X and where can I get X from? Is it a porn application
01:31.39RTFM?
01:31.39Atrocityi'm not installing x
01:31.43thingfishoh lord
01:31.45powderlol
01:31.47TchiakI saw a really freaky thing today.. made me wonder.. freakin trailer up on 30 in rims that were SPINNING!
01:31.47Atrocityyes, it's a porn application
01:31.51Tchiaki was like jesus mother of god
01:31.52DwonisRTFM: apt-get install xserver-xorg, and yes it is
01:31.53RTFMsick!
01:31.56Atrocitywe just call it x instead of xxx
01:32.03RTFMbut apt-get doesnt work
01:32.04Dwonisit's faster that way
01:32.14powderyou'll be wanking off to pron in no time
01:32.15Atrocityrtfm apt-get update
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01:32.27thingfishI better go cook before rtfm ruins my evening.
01:32.38Atrocityyeah, i have movies to watch
01:32.39Atrocitylater all
01:32.41sfullenwiderhow do I remove xdm and gdm and keep x-windows?  I wanna start xwindows with startx and not have it automatically load
01:32.48asgsfullenwider: /msg dpkg nodm
01:33.04Dwonis!rtfmsmite rtfm
01:33.04RTFMomg I got emacs working
01:33.07RTFMyum worked!
01:33.18RTFMi thought I had debian :/
01:33.25asg!confuse Dwonis
01:33.25dpkgNo, those are our hamster tomorrow, Dwonis? lederhosen of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra herring
01:33.26thingfishoh lord
01:33.39[newbie101]fuck up newbie. seriously
01:33.48Dwonismy head a splode
01:34.03RTFMno need to swear, jeez I am just trying to learn
01:34.27sfullenwiderawg: yeah but doing that says it'll remove the package "x-window-system"  I still want X i just don't want it autoloaded.
01:34.28ForrestFhow do i set it in a debain based distro (Damsmalllinux) rigth after DHCP to sync my system clock
01:34.41surgedererk: Apologies for my delayed response, but I believe it is, yes.
01:34.43AtrocityRTFM: x = x-windows
01:34.49asg!X
01:34.57Atrocityit's a graphic interface for some applications
01:35.02Atrocityand not needed
01:35.05thingfishsometimes I just want to gather all the people up in this channel and give them a really *tight* hug.
01:35.06powderapt-get install x-men
01:35.06Atrocityreal dorks use shells
01:35.11asg!xwindows
01:35.12dpkgi heard xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap
01:35.12Dwonissfullenwider: x-window-system is not *actually* X.  It's a dummy package that depends a bunch of X-related stuff
01:35.29Dwonissfullenwider, once X is installed, you don't actually need the x-window-system package
01:35.33sfullenwiderok...so if I remove it it won't take X out with it.
01:35.43Tchiakbb gonna see if it mounts now
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01:35.54asgsfullenwider: right, xdm, gdm, kdm, or wdm do not remove X if you delete them.
01:36.10asg!hugh thingfish
01:36.12asgbah
01:36.14asg!hug thingfish
01:36.15Dwonissfullenwider: if that's the _only_ package you're removing, then you are correct.  If it'll also remove stuff like xserver-xorg, xlibs, xfonts-base, etc, then obviously X will be hosed
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01:36.47Dwonissfullenwider: for example, run "dpkg -L x-window-system".  There isn't much there.
01:36.51RTFMthanks for the emacs help, I am going to go do some programming now :D
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01:39.12powderRTFM left :(
01:39.28Dwonispowder: now what will we do for entertainment
01:39.31Dwonis!start an editor war
01:39.31dpkgxemacs bites
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01:39.41Dwonisdpkg: YOU bite!
01:39.52PR-i instaled debian sid today and i'm having trouble instaling fglrx driver, xorg-7.0 not supported
01:40.08PR-i googled but don't find anything
01:40.46powderPR-, need more info
01:41.03DwonisPR-: fglrx might just not work with xorg-7.0.  That's the price you pay for using proprietary drivers.  (Or, it might work.  I really don't know.)
01:41.59PR-tried to install fglrx thar is in the debian sources, but says that the fglrx-driver need xorg < 6.99
01:42.11powderPR-, try here: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33852190
01:42.27mbishopIt should work
01:42.49PR-going to try
01:42.49mbishopbut the package seems to have xorg < 6.9.99 as a dependancies
01:42.51PR-thanks
01:42.51mbishoper
01:42.55mbishopdependancy*
01:43.01thingfish<PROTECTED>
01:43.07mbishopthank you
01:43.10thingfishhehe
01:43.33thingfishsorry, it's the pedant in me
01:44.36asgthingfish: corrective spelling is a hallmark of #debian
01:44.49thingfishasg: a proud tradition, indeed.
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01:45.30Tchiakwhew
01:45.32Tchiakso far so good
01:45.37Dwonispowder: apt-get install dict
01:45.38Tchiakmounted the harddrive and i haven't locked up
01:45.42asgpowder: apt-get install dict ; dict <foo>
01:45.49Tchiaktransfering data to backup server
01:45.52thingfishpowder: don't say anything, and you'll be fine :)
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01:46.10powdersounds good to me :D
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01:46.15dvsshhh!
01:46.20mbishopor 'look <foo>'
01:46.21thingfishhehe
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01:46.31asgdvs: why? are there wabbits around?
01:46.34amphipowder: apt-get install dict-devil is rewarding
01:46.42Tchiaknow i just need to find this installshield work around for wine
01:46.46dvsasg: Not today. eheheheheh
01:46.51Tchiaki needs my itunes
01:47.01powderi do have this dictionary that comes with gnome
01:47.12asgamphi: dict-jargon is another good one
01:47.23bbbany idea why I can no more read dvd on my debian box with vlc (sid ppc) ?
01:47.33puphi, i am trying to get x-11 configured for 1680x1050 resolution on this new widescreen monitor... i have added a ModeLine to Section "Monitor" in xorg.conf, but when I look at the Xorg.0.log, it says, "Not using mode "MyMode" (no mode of this name)... any ideas?
01:48.04asgdvs: ah, the devil rabbit is in Felton
01:48.21dvsasg: I haven't seen that but I've been meaning to.
01:48.37asgdvs: google for 'devil rabbit' (first link)
01:49.42Dwonispup: look for a log entry that shows the modeline getting deleted for some reason (like if hsync is out of range for your monitor, for example)
01:49.42asgthingfish: are they swimming lazily?
01:49.52thingfishasg: they're not even bubbling yet.
01:50.00powderwatch out for bird flu
01:50.01asgthingfish: ouch
01:50.01dvspffffffffft
01:50.04thingfishruined.  it's all ruined.
01:50.25asgthingfish: remove them and put them on paper towels to soak up the grease. Try again
01:50.26pupDwonis: it says a few lines later, (MyMode,DELL 2007WFP) mode clock 100000MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
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01:50.35pupi'm not sure how to set the mode clock?
01:51.10Dwonispup: I think it's inferred from your modeline.
01:51.12thingfishasg: actually I think I can salvage it - the heat I turned up, and it's coming up quickly.  Plus I lucked out by not adding all the pieces to the pan at first.
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01:51.23asgthingfish: ah, good save
01:51.48TchiakAnyone got any good sites they can point me to having to do with reassigning /usr to a different partition
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01:51.59Dwonispup: You shouldn't actually have to make your own mode.  There's apparently a default 1680x1050 mode.
01:52.00powderin soviet russia, food cooks you!
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01:52.13Tchiako_o
01:52.22Tchiakpowder: you should be hung for that
01:52.36powderi'll get the rope ;)
01:52.37pupDwonis, ok, that wasn't working either... i'll try commenting out my mode and seeing what messages i get
01:52.57Dwonispup: you might do better to ask #xorg
01:53.10pupDwonis, oh, sure thanks
01:53.21xixorsweet, I've managed to log into a wep wireless for the first time in linux
01:53.22initechTchiak: what do you mean? there isn't a lot to it
01:53.35surgeIf I wish to install xorg, do I just have to change the stable entries into sid entries in sources.list?
01:53.41Dwonisah yes, ueber-secure WEP
01:53.48Tchiakwell when i'm done reconfugaling my second harddrive iw ant to load /home and /usr onto that
01:53.56Tchiakw/o changing the whats in it
01:54.01Tchiaki just need to know the procedure
01:54.11Tchiakand whether there's any sites that list he procedure/commands required to do that
01:54.13powdersurge, why would you do that?  you want xorg 7?
01:54.16initechTchiak: go single user, copy the date, edit fstab, remount it, go init 2
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01:54.29surgepowder: Any xorg. I can't seem to find it in stable.
01:54.41initechsurge: xorg is not in stable
01:54.43powdersurge, sarge doesnt use xorg, xfree
01:54.46Metricssurge: For xorg, look for the backport on stable.
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01:54.57surgeMetrics: How do I do that then?
01:55.06asg!xorg stable
01:55.07initechsurge: backports.org
01:55.27asgmeh
01:55.35asgsurge: /msg dpkg sarge xorg
01:55.36mineraleIs there any way I can 'force' a certain resolution//refresh rate w/out having to guess horizontal vertical lines
01:55.39surgeinitech: Thanks.
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01:55.59initechsurge: don't know about the quality :)
01:56.05Tchiakminerals.. if you force stuff you break stuff :P
01:56.14DwonisTchiak: create the filesystems, mount them somewhere *other* than /home and /usr, copy the files over, and re-mount the new filesystems to /usr and /home
01:56.29mineraleTchiak: Ok I can run a certain resolution/refresh rate in windows, and it works, i should be able to do it in debian
01:56.42miki2i just installed 2.6.15-1-686 kernel from backports.org and it wont load... its stuck at 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' any help?
01:56.45DwonisTchiak: It's probably safer to do this from a live CD such as Knoppix, especially if you don't know what you're doing.
01:56.57TchiakDwonis: I live for danger
01:57.08powderminerale, did you use a modeline generator to generate a modeline for you?
01:57.30Tchiakminerale: you can do it on windows cause windows seeks out the proper parameters for you..
01:57.33DwonisTchiak: oh, in that case, find / | rl | head -1 | xargs rm -rf  ;)
01:57.48TchiakDwonis: I said dangerous.. not suicidal
01:57.54Dwonisrussian roulette with your files
01:57.57powderTchiak, nonsense
01:58.06Tchiakasg: i'm having a beer right now
01:58.08mineralepowder: no I just looked up the correct values for my monitor, but then It's not letting me "choose" any refresh rate higher than 75 hz
01:58.41DwonisTchiak: depending on how full your system is, you're probably most likely to hit something unimportant in /usr/share/doc or /dev than something important like /lib
01:59.02DwonisI doubt it would cause a kernel panic, but it could seriously break stuff
01:59.07powderminerale, http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
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01:59.23TchiakDwonis: This is a fresh install i did yesterday.. after deleting the windows partition.. after windows thought it would be funny to suddenly corrupt the entire fat32 fs on the main drive
01:59.28powderminerale, that will generate a modeline for  ya
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02:00.04DwonisTchiak: weird, I've never had that happen (well I have, but it was unrelated to my Linux install)
02:00.05asgTchiak: it's a must with chicken
02:00.20TchiakDwonis: Luckily i learned my lesson from past experiences, to never put anything important on the same drive as windows
02:00.39DwonisTchiak: s/drive/network/ and I agree with you :)
02:00.50dvs!Tchiak++
02:01.01TchiakDwonis: it was unrelated to the linux install.. i just came home one day from work to my computer rebooting in a continous cycle.. and finally used the iwndows boot cd to run a chkdsk and the damn thing said the partition didn't exist
02:01.39Tchiakcompletely corruptd
02:01.42Tchiakit was ugly
02:01.48DwonisTchiak: nice! but... you have it booting the Windows partition by default?
02:02.00TchiakI didn't have linux installed on this machine
02:02.05Dwonisah, I see
02:02.11Tchiaki moved the 80gb hdd that had linux and put it in the FS i built
02:02.15Tchiakfor the network
02:02.29Tchiakit worked n ice just transfering it over to the new computer
02:02.31Tchiakbooted up fine
02:02.35DwonisTchiak: wait, is this the same machine that crashes in Linux when you try to mount the filesystem?
02:02.43Tchiakand with some minor tweaks still runs stable
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02:03.14TchiakDwonis: yes :P  that parittion is the final bit of windows fs types left.. and i'm converting it to a reiserfs when the data is done being moved
02:03.27DwonisTchiak: Hmm... I wonder if the drive is dying
02:03.30TchiakDwonis: Which btw the drive mounted fine
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02:03.50tybaltGrrrrrrrrrretings!
02:03.57TchiakDwonis: Windows was on the 20gb harddrive.. the one that stopped mounting was the 120gb hdd
02:04.04dvstybalt: Hello, Tony the tiger
02:04.04DwonisTchiak: ah, ok
02:04.07TchiakDwonis: the 20gb hdd was the one that got all corrupted by windows :P
02:04.18asgtybalt: if you are selling breakfast cereal, try #foodstuffs
02:04.36Dwonisasg, dvs: wtf?
02:04.43tybaltasg: hay, that's not a channel!
02:04.50asgtybalt: it is if you join it
02:05.00Dwonistybalt: it is now
02:05.05asgDwonis: Frosted Flakes meme
02:05.43Dwonisdamn, I was going to kickban tybalt, but he left too soon
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02:06.05dvsDwonis: Huh? tybalt is still here
02:06.11Dwonisdvs: in #foodstuffs
02:06.16dvsoh
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02:06.51tybaltDoes anybody know if someone made a "server setup wizard" like the one in Windows Server 2003 for debian? I'm looking for a set of shell scripts that would act like a wizard and set up the services I want after I reformat my server.
02:07.21asgtybalt: that's generally not the way things are done in Unixland. However
02:07.28asg!webmin
02:07.28dpkgwebmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html
02:07.29Atrocitytybalt: i think so
02:07.33Atrocitybut it was renamed google awhile ago
02:07.37Supaplextybalt: it's called an $admin
02:08.02SupaplexAtrocity: ouuu better :P
02:08.12Dwonisheh.  I like how dpkg's URL for webmin is its "security alerts" page
02:08.25powderdondelelcaro is a God among men.
02:08.47asgpowder: he's just a regular man, but rather spiffy nontheless
02:08.48Supaplexcan there anything good come out of ucr?
02:08.54Dwonispowder: suckup
02:08.58powderlol
02:09.03Atrocityzaphod beeblebrox
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02:09.10Lucashi
02:09.24SupaplexLucas: from all of us to you, we say hi.
02:09.33thingfishAtrocity: that's not nice, in mixed company.
02:09.35asgAtrocity: "The Zaphod Beeblebrox?" "No, just a Zaphod Beeblebrox. Haven't you heard, I come in 6-packs now."
02:09.49Tchiakasg: hehe
02:10.03Tchiakasg: Original-mini series or the new movie?
02:10.16Atrocitythe books? :P
02:10.19asgTchiak: radio and books
02:10.20dvsTchiak: Hitchhiker's Guide
02:10.21tybaltI'm really supprised nobody has made any sort of shell script to set up common services.
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02:10.29asgTchiak: though I have the TV shows on VHS
02:10.33Dwonisanyone with the name Zaphod Beeblebrox should really also state their middle initial
02:10.37Atrocitythe movie sucked
02:10.47tengulre11Hi,all
02:10.48dvsAtrocity: It was just OK
02:10.50tengulre11I m backing...
02:10.52thingfishfry some bacon or pancetta until semi-crispy...add some crushed garlic...saute for a bit...then add broccoli florets and toss till done.
02:10.54Tchiakasg: i love the tv series.. got it on DVD.. the new movie sucks.. you miss out on a lot of stuff
02:11.02asgtybalt: oh, the packages will setup common options.
02:11.04pipelinethingfish: What's pancetta?
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02:11.12DwonisAtrocity: to be fair, I don't really know how they could have made the movie better.  There's just too much funny stuff in the book to really capture it all.
02:11.16thingfishpipeline: italian bacon.
02:11.23thingfishpipeline: except not smoked.
02:11.24pipelinethingfish: What's italian bacon?
02:11.28Atrocitytrue
02:11.34Atrocityi did like the song at the beginning, though
02:11.34vulturetybalt: well tasksel allows you to select from general categories of things that just install a bunch of stuff - the usual dpkg config system handles configuration.
02:11.36SaLoMoNre
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02:11.43pipelinethingfish: Oh, is that the stuff you buy by the hock and strip off with a tool that looks like a potato peeler?
02:11.45asgTchiak: true but I think the new movie was done in the spirit DNA would have liked. HHGTTG was once done as a play in Welsh and was totally different.
02:12.00thingfishpipeline: meat from the pig's belly, of course.
02:12.12asgpipeline: proscuito
02:12.19Dwonisone thing they could have fixed: Trillian's pronunciation of Z as "zee"
02:12.29Dwonisisn't she supposed to be British?
02:12.30Tchiakasg: yeah.. but they didn't even show the restaurant at the endo fhte universe.. or the explanation of how we all came to be on earth
02:12.42thingfishoh god no, prosciutto is different entirely.  I mean, from the same part on the pig pretty much, but way finer.
02:12.45Atrocitynot british
02:12.48Atrocitybri'ish
02:12.50DwonisTchiak: That stuff wasn't in the first novel of the trilogy
02:12.52asgTchiak: it's a 2 hour movie, it's hard to squeeze it all in.
02:12.59Lucasi have installed a soundblaster audigy ls soundcard (snd-ca0106), but the card dosnt seem to work. maybe it is making conflict with my onboard soundcard [atv8x-x motherboard (snd-via82xx)]? kmix stopped starting at system startup. im a kde user.
02:13.08DwonisAtrocity: ah yes, my mistake
02:13.11asgthingfish: still, very tasty
02:13.17Tchiakasg: i swear to do if they do HHGTTG 2:RATEOFU.. i'm gonna kick someone in the nuts
02:13.18EmeraldCatIs there a way to bring background jobs to the foreground and vice versa, by using some sort of key-combo (e.g. Alt+Tab) while in console mode?
02:13.25tybaltI have a really strange problem with my system: telling the computer to shut down from the command line makes it reboot. If I tell it to reboot from the command line it shuts down... does anybody know why this is happening?
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02:13.41tybaltIm running Sarge
02:13.43DwonisTchiak: DNA is dead, so they probably won't... at least, it'll suck if they do
02:13.45asgTchiak: personally, I'd rather someone do a Dirk Gently film / tv series
02:13.59thingfishasg: oh very definitely.  prosciutto is a delicacy.
02:14.07asgtybalt: try '/sbin/halt'
02:14.21pipelineasg: See, now, that's a lot easier to understand.
02:14.28Atrocityif i do halt -p, it goes down to recovery mode
02:14.29asgthingfish: yeah, trying to keep it away from my cats is a challenge though.
02:14.30Atrocityso don't feel bad
02:14.34Lucashelp plz
02:14.34Atrocityi just don't shut down my server
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02:14.42adrakoatybalt shutdown --help ; shutdown -h now
02:14.45Lucasplzplzplzplz
02:14.46thingfishhahaha asg you have gourmet kitties
02:15.00DwonisEmeraldCat: "jobs" lists the jobs running.  "fg %1" will bring job 1 ot the foreground.  Ctrl-Z usually suspends a process, and "bg %1" lets it continue in the background
02:15.03thingfishasg: take them truffle hunting!
02:15.09DwonisEmeraldCat: I suggest: man bash
02:15.27DwonisEmeraldCat: search for ^JOB CONTROL
02:15.31asgthingfish: the only thing they hunt is tuna and the occasional beer
02:15.39thingfishhaha oh god
02:15.57Dwonisadrakoa: I usually use "shutdown -h 0" because it also works in BSD
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02:16.12asgthingfish: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/webster/webster-couch-3.jpg <--- That demands to be fed
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02:17.16EmeraldCatDwonis: I know how to do that (fg, bg, Ctrl+Z, etc.), but I was wondering if there is an easier way... BTW, not all jobs can be suspended?? (E.g. Pine.)
02:17.38DwonisEmeraldCat: have you tried GNU screen?
02:17.42DwonisEmeraldCat: (apt-get install screen)
02:17.57yxai managed to install debian with a dell h/w sata controller. how can i monitor the array status?
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02:18.07EmeraldCatDwonis: Never heard of it.
02:18.13XenguyEmeraldCat: I was going to suggest screen also
02:18.31XenguyEmeraldCat: worth learning if you like the cli
02:18.32thingfishasg: what a cutie.
02:18.47nsethe output of set -v using bash is this: echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007" what is going on!?
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02:19.19yxaor rather how does someone monitor a h/w array in general under debian?
02:19.20Dwonisnse: that line sets your xterm's title
02:19.27miki2i just installed 2.6.15-1-686 kernel from backports.org and it wont load... its stuck at 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' any help? (it probably caused by /scripts/local-top)
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02:19.53Dwonisnse: it's in PROMPT_COMMAND
02:20.00nseDwonis: yes i know, but what this have to do with set -v?
02:20.01Dwonisnse: $PROMPT_COMMAND
02:20.06tybaltwould "shred -n 35 /dev" successfully destroy your entire filesystem?
02:20.45Dwonisnse: man bash says set -v is "Print shell input lines as they are read."
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02:20.51hejuxhi
02:21.09zickhey, where can i put the scripts i want to run every time some user logs in?
02:21.22Dwonisnse: so stuff like the expansion of "echo /*" will also get displayed
02:21.26thingfishasg: here's one of my little stinkers: http://home.comcast.net/~mark_rush/polly_sc.jpg
02:21.28hejuxwhat;s the name of  app. left on the desktop
02:21.31hejuxhttp://www.eitra.net/files/desktopss/gentoo-xfce090205.jpg
02:21.34EmeraldCatYes, GNU Screen seems like an answer to my problem. Thanks.
02:21.36hejuxsee the pic.
02:21.40Dwonisnse: It's not really that useful except in shell scripts
02:21.43tybaltzick: source them from ~/.bashrc
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02:21.52xomhauhi all
02:21.54hejuxthanks for answer me
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02:21.57tybaltzick: or /etc/bash.bashrc
02:22.24asgthingfish: awww
02:22.31hejuxhi ?
02:22.37hejuxanyone could tell me ?
02:23.08EmeraldCathejux: Hold on, I have dial-up. ;)
02:23.17pixolethejux it looks like conky to me :)
02:23.21asghejux: probably gdesklets or gkrellm with a transparency
02:23.23Dwonishejux: no idea, though I *am* curious
02:23.35nseDwonis: set -v; ls   gives e this: ls (input command line), the output of ls and echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"   why!?
02:23.36hejuxconky ?
02:23.40hejuxyeah maybe
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02:23.50asg!conky
02:24.01dvs!info conky sarge
02:24.07jetscreameryou need to clean that cat's eyeboogers more
02:24.12dvsdoh!
02:24.15asgjetscreamer: hah
02:24.17pixoletconky - highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo
02:24.23pixolet(from apt)
02:24.24hejuxhaha tkanks you guys !
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02:24.36hejuxis there conky for windows ?
02:24.49nseDwonis: i mean it is doing what it was supposed to do, but it is printing the content of that variable, this is not making sense yet for me
02:24.50thingfishjetscreamer: you're not kidding.  it's a never-ending chore.
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02:25.00jetscreamerthingfish: i know i do it for a few
02:25.09thingfishjetscreamer: I have a red and white persian that's 10x worse.
02:25.25Dwonisnse: the contents of that variable get _executed_ after every command.
02:25.26jetscreamerdpkg conky is <reply> highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo, and also peewee herman's robot
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02:25.26dpkgjetscreamer: okay
02:25.28thingfishevery day, it's with the eye buggers and the nose buggers.
02:25.36xixorls
02:25.42Dwonisnse: that's why it's called PROMPT_COMMAND
02:25.43hejux:P
02:25.44asg!give thingfish a hanky
02:25.44dpkggive thingfish a hanky
02:25.47thingfishwell, I guess boogers...
02:25.58maunixhi. anyone can point me to a repository with stable but updated packages? I have debian 3.1r0 and after updating the datasheet it tells me that the newest mozilla firefox version is 1.04 which is a version that is almost 1 year old!.
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02:26.18Dwonisnse: according to man bash: PROMPT_COMMAND: If set, the value is executed as a command prior to issuing each primary prompt.
02:26.22jetscreamermaunix: that's stable for you
02:26.24dvsmaunix: try backports.org
02:26.25asgmaunix: that's correct. stable never updates versions, only backports security fixes.
02:26.32jetscreamer!tell maunix -about backports
02:26.39jetscreameroops too slow
02:26.44pixolethejux, from conky's site, conky.sf.net it doesn't look like there is a windows port
02:27.00maunix;)
02:27.17hejuxwell , i love it so much
02:27.27maunixjetscreamer i know 1.04 is stable, but what about mozilla firefox 1.5 ? its stable too, at least stable enough for what im seeking now.
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02:27.41bureadoDownload the .tar.gz!
02:27.46nseDwonis: do you have any idea about what is the use of this?
02:27.55jetscreamermaunix: it's sarge/stable, not the fact that ff may or may not be stable
02:27.56asgmaunix: then either grab a backport from backports.org or a binary from mozilla.org and install it in /usr/local
02:27.59pixoletit's really great, i've been using it for a while, but i don't remember how i found it
02:28.03jetscreamerwhat he said
02:28.20hejuxi dont know if there are apps that have the same function with conky ?
02:28.38maunixasg and jetscreamer thanks.
02:28.41Dwonisnse: I told you already.  If you're in X, ever notice how if you type "cd /some/path", the titlebar of your terminal window changes?  This command is responsible for that
02:28.41jetscreamergkrellem? not sure what conky does
02:28.44asgmaunix: you're welcome
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02:29.03thingfishpeace and love
02:29.15maunixi've used ubuntu  for some months, now i installed debian and im dealing with this stuff hehe. :)
02:29.17AhewesDoes anyone here use smartmon?
02:29.27jetscreamer!ask
02:29.27dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
02:29.38Dwonisnse: try this: "PROMPT_COMMAND= ; echo -ne '\033]0;Blah blah blah\007'"
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02:30.35streunermaunix: maybe you running not debian without knowing?
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02:31.20bkudriacan someone help me troubleshoot a network problem? my client requests a dhcp lease, and the server shows a DHCPOFFER and then a DHCPDISCOVER...over and over again...it does not seems to take...any ideas?
02:31.38pixoletjetscreamer, yes, they're quite similar, but conky is more background-like
02:32.02asgbkudria: are you using a custom kernel?
02:32.04Aheweso.k. I can't get the libata patch for smartmon stuff to compile into a 2.6.16.8 vanilla kernel.  this is something that the debian kernel doesn't have, but seems to patch into the redhat 2.6 kernels.
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02:32.29streunermaunix: /msg dpkg backports
02:32.38nseDwonis: yes! i got it now!
02:32.51bkudriaasg: nope, stock 2.6.15 from sid
02:32.53AhewesI get errors in the following file: drivers/scsi/libata-core.c
02:33.09xomhaubkudria, sid = testing ?
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02:33.15asgbkudria: has it worked before with other kernels?
02:33.20asgxomhau: no, sid = unstable
02:33.20bkudriaxomhau: no, sid=unstable
02:33.23AhewesIs there a libata patch for smartmon stuff available for a debian kernel?
02:33.35xomhauthank :)
02:33.57zasrsarge - stable / etch - testing / sid - US
02:34.16asgzasr: it's still unstable in .uk also
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02:34.35asgs/still//
02:34.35xomhauzasr, thank , i only installed debian a few day
02:35.00Dwonisxomhau: a long time ago (before the "testing" branch really existed, IIRC) the unstable branch used to eventually become stable, so the names changed.  Now, "sid" is always unstable.
02:35.02minerale?msg dpkg quicktime
02:35.03zasrxomhau: Unstable is actually pretty stable
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02:35.25asgzasr: except when it isn't, of course.
02:35.27streunerzasr: tell him that when libc6 breaks...
02:35.37zasrstreuner: Ill be gone :P
02:35.40xomhaui using testing on amd64
02:36.04DwonisIIRC the xorg7 dependencies are still pretty broken.  At least, they were a few days ago
02:36.16mineraleI had amd64 compiled version and I could not see noticeable speed difference
02:36.36asgDwonis: they've been pretty stable here though I don't use any non-free drivers.
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02:37.04Dwonisasg: I don't use any non-free drivers either, but I run a mostly-testing system with some packages pulled from unstable.  I don't think the xorg7 packages like that.
02:37.15damogasg: yay @ chipotles
02:37.18asgDwonis: ah, then that will likely pose a problem
02:37.28Dwonisasg: I tried upgrading a few days ago, but it was a horrible mess and I ended up downgrading back to 6.9
02:37.33jetscreamerDwonis: it finally got to a point where i thought it would be ok to let it install, and it was... cept the nvidia binary doesn't do so hot glx wise
02:37.38asgdamog: yeah, we had a nice pasta this evening with a few thrown in for taste and a bit of heat
02:37.50asgDwonis: *nod*
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02:40.20nseDwonis: oh my god, so this is meaning that my shell's titlebar is nothing more than an ouput of an echo command!
02:40.47asgnse: the titlebar is generally built in but can be modified with an echo, sure.
02:40.57xomhauif VideoRam =128Mb , how to write into /etc/X11/XF86Config?
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02:45.58nseDwonis, asg: actually it is not that variable that changes the titlebar when you change the working directory, because when it is unset the title keeps changing
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02:47.26asgnse: did you do 'export PROMPT_COMMAND=foo'?
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02:48.28Dwonisnse: You're doing something wrong
02:48.45c0rrupt`hey guys im havin trouble getting mysql up and running.. it seems it cannot write to the /var/run/mysqld directory to create the sock
02:48.46Dwonisnse: When I run "PROMPT_COMMAND=", then change directories, my titlebar doesn't chagne
02:48.58c0rrupt`ive changed the owner of the folder and even chmod 777 but its still now working
02:49.03Dwonisnse: however, my _prompt_ does, because that's controlled by $PS1
02:49.09nseDwonis: really!? but mine do change!
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02:49.27nseasg, Dwonis: there is something wrong
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02:49.37Dwonisnse: check $PS1
02:49.47c0rrupt`ANy IDeas
02:49.50Dwonisnse: mine is ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\[\033[01;36m\]\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$
02:50.09Dwonisnse: which is a lot of crap, but there's no \033]0;...\007
02:50.21nsethe content of PS1 is ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
02:50.25speedfreakman gentoo is so fast
02:50.37Dwonisnse: echo $PROMPT_COMMAND
02:50.58asgspeedfreak: so is FreeBSD but we don't discuss it in here
02:51.02nseDwonis: now it is blank, but i can take it back, wait a sec
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02:51.11speedfreaki just finished bootstrapping
02:51.12speedfreakits so awesome
02:51.20Dwonisnse: no, that's the point; if it's blank, your titlebar shouldn't change
02:51.25asgspeedfreak: cool, please /join #gentoo and tell them
02:51.27c0rrupt`Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/etc/mysql/mysqld.sock
02:51.29c0rrupt`blah blah
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02:51.36c0rrupt`i even changed t3h file
02:51.40Dwonisnse: unless of course there's something else.  You could run "set" and see if there's anything suspicious there
02:51.44nseDwonis: echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"
02:51.45asgc0rrupt`: did you apt-get install mysql-server or compile it from source?
02:51.49c0rrupt`apt-get
02:51.59speedfreakkk
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02:52.24asgc0rrupt`: what version of Debian are you running?
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02:52.36c0rrupt`whats the command again to see what ver im running
02:52.38Dwonisnse: but note the distinction between the titlebar and the prompt, since they're set independently
02:52.44asgc0rrupt`: cat /etc/debian_version
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02:52.56c0rrupt`testing/unstable
02:52.57c0rrupt`Lol
02:53.17streunerc0rrupt`: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
02:53.27c0rrupt`ii  libc6          2.3.6-7        GNU C Library: Shared libraries
02:53.41nseDwonis: take a look at the last line of set output: _='${PWD}\007"'
02:53.44DwonisI don't know what speedfreak was talking about... "man gentoo: No manual entry for gentoo"
02:54.09asgDwonis: it's some sort of file manager that you don't have installed
02:54.09Dwonisnse: _ is just the last command; don't worry about it
02:54.32streuner!info libc6 testing
02:54.35Dwonisasg: <speedfreak> man gentoo is so fast
02:54.38dpkglibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-7 (etch), Packaged size: 4613 kB, Installed size: 10920 kB
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02:55.05asgDwonis: heh, I'd have made the distinction if gentoo(1) was involved
02:55.06Dwonisnse: what xterm are you using?
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02:55.22andres2Hi.
02:55.38deadcatwhat xterm? you mean what term?
02:55.45c0rrupt`so
02:55.59Dwonisdeadcat, nse: yes, what x-terminal-emulator is being used
02:56.08streunerc0rrupt`: look into sources.list to find out then
02:56.13Dwonismaybe some weird terminal does something special with the titlebar
02:56.19c0rrupt`find out what..
02:56.19asgc0rrupt`: when you installed mysql with apt-get, do you remember what you typed exactly? 'apt-get install mysql'? 'apt-get install mysql-server'?
02:56.20nseDwonis: GNOME Terminal 2.14.0
02:56.28c0rrupt`i typed
02:56.33c0rrupt`apt-get install mysql-server
02:56.50c0rrupt`heres my history
02:56.50c0rrupt`<PROTECTED>
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02:57.09Dwonisnse: well, I have gnome-terminal 2.12.0, and when I set PROMPT_COMMAND to nothing, then change directories, the titlebar doesn't update.
02:57.17Dwonisnse: I think you must just be crazy
02:57.31c0rrupt`problem with the package?
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02:57.34asgc0rrupt`: did you set the mysql root password? Check /var/log/syslog (oddly the instructions for setting it are pasted there.)
02:57.58nseDwonis: well take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/670626
02:58.10andres2I'm trying to set up LTS betwen 2 machines without router, using a null modem, is this posible? I get an "Access violation" from TFTP on the client. iptraf tells me request come from 0.0.0.0
02:58.21Dwonisnse: sigh.  I'm talking about your _titlebar_, not your prompt.
02:58.27Dwonisnse: your prompt is set by PS1
02:58.32c0rrupt`i dont think i set a root password
02:58.38c0rrupt`i just installed it and it doesnt start
02:58.55Dwonisnse: \w represents the current path in PS1
02:59.01asgc0rrupt`: well, check /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian{.gz} for post-install instructions.
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02:59.32c0rrupt`gay
02:59.48c0rrupt`why doncha fix the package?
02:59.53asgDwonis: I think nse is confused by the fact that 'PROMPT_COMMAND' runs a command and generally, that command is useful for setting an xterm titlebar with 'echo blah foo'
02:59.58nseDwonis: oh my god, you mean the titlebar of the xterminal itself. i was confusing it with the prompt
03:00.11asgc0rrupt`: you're running testing/unstable. Check the bts. File and fix the bug.
03:00.25asgc0rrupt`: if you can't or are unwilling, use stable.
03:00.35c0rrupt`lol thx
03:00.37c0rrupt`i might
03:01.16Dwonisnse: exactly
03:01.22asg!comfort Dwonis
03:01.22dpkgThere, there, Dwonis.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
03:01.35Dwonisthanks asg
03:01.46asgDwonis: you're welcome
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03:02.14Alexa[X]./configure --with-CXX --enable-multibyte --with-tcl --without-tk
03:02.17Alexa[X]ups
03:02.18Alexa[X];))
03:02.28Alexa[X]wrong windows
03:02.29Alexa[X]:D
03:02.50DwonisAlexa[X]: using Windows is always wrong
03:02.58DwonisAlexa[X]: except when it's not
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03:03.34ZriDwonis:  Windows is really the only option for gaming ;/..well, for the most part
03:04.02DwonisZri: pfft!  frozen-bubble and jumpnbump are all I need
03:04.05jetscreamerthere is only id, so your statement is erroneous
03:04.10ZriDwonis: haha
03:04.48Zriok, try to get swat4 working on linux.
03:04.54Zriyyeeaa
03:05.20DwonisZri: Debian only has swat 3.0.22-1
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03:05.35ZriO.O
03:06.03nsewhat's the usage of this variable: debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot) ?
03:06.22xomhauanyone, what soft for electronic , like electronic workbench in windows?
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03:07.13miki2whats the latest version of 2.6.15 kernel?
03:07.25jetscreamerxomhau: there's a whole section for electronics
03:07.30jetscreamer-8 i believe miki2
03:07.32Dwonisnse: It displays the $debian_chroot variable in parentheses, if it's set.
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03:07.53Dwonisnse: I suspect it's useful if you have some sort of chroot environment, though I don't know what package actually sets this variable
03:08.19nseDwonis: thank you
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03:09.48miki2anyone know how to solve 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' error in 2.6.15-1 kernel?
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03:11.05Dwonissame goes for wi-fi
03:11.26xomhaumiki2,  if your old kernel detected all driver, do not need new version kernel
03:11.33hrtpanyway to keep a user to its home dir?
03:11.52jetscreamer!info geda
03:11.52cast_hrtp: systrace, chroot
03:11.55dpkggeda: (GNU EDA -- Electronics design software), section electronics, is optional. Version: 20060123-1 (sid), Packaged size: 92 kB, Installed size: 388 kB
03:11.56jetscreamerthat's one of many
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03:12.10cast_ahh hrtp i mean
03:12.22hrtpic
03:12.23jetscreamer!info klogic
03:12.26dpkgklogic: (digital circuit editor and simulator for KDE), section electronics, is optional. Version: 1.62-6 (sid), Packaged size: 269 kB, Installed size: 1164 kB
03:12.48miki2xomahu: but old kernel aint working with agpgart and via agp cuz sucky mobo
03:12.52mineralewhat is the default kernel source dir in debian?
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03:13.11jetscreamerminerale: it gets downloaded to /usr/src and you have to unpack it
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03:13.18jetscreamerif you mean the source to build a kernel
03:13.31jetscreamerif you want the headers it's /usr/src/linux-headers-blah
03:13.40jetscreameror sarge would be kernel-headers iirc
03:13.46mineralejetscreamer: I'm trying to get the sound to work, and the ./configure script for the driver wants the full kernel sources
03:13.58hrtp!chroot
03:13.58dpkgrumour has it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
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03:14.15jetscreamerminerale: you probably need the kernel headers then, apt-cache search linux-headers-`uname -r`
03:14.25jetscreameror kernel-headers if it's stable/sarge
03:14.29Dwonisnote that chroot is trivial to break out of, if you're root
03:14.35jetscreamerthen apt-get install whatever
03:14.54romulohi can anyone help me with a tutorial or something to boot an iso on a network trough a small file system? i have one pendrive and the install iso on other pc on network, can i access it trough the pen drive and install like if it was on iso?
03:14.59romulomy bios support network boot
03:15.16jetscreamer!info xcircuit
03:15.23dpkgxcircuit: (Draw circuit schematics or almost anything), section electronics, is optional. Version: 3.1.19-2 (sid), Packaged size: 409 kB, Installed size: 1018 kB
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03:17.35mineralejetscreamer: thanks, that worked
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03:18.16Dwonisbah... sonnie has real ipv6 connectivity.  no fair!
03:18.23miki2how can i regenerate initrd file?
03:18.25sonniei have a pure-ftpd setup problem
03:18.34jetscreamer!info mkinitrd
03:18.36sonnieDwonis, :)
03:19.03jetscreamer!find mkinitrd
03:19.04dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'mkinitrd' (2): bootcd-mkinitrd ;; mkinitrd-cd.
03:19.08miki2!info mkinitrd
03:19.17Dwonis!start an ftp server war
03:19.18jetscreamer!info yaird
03:19.25dpkgyaird: (Yet Another mkInitRD), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.0.12-9 (sid), Packaged size: 177 kB, Installed size: 636 kB
03:19.38mineralejetscreamer: so I have the headers, what is the package name for the whole source? linux-image-'version' ?
03:19.40sonnieI want allow IPv4 and IPv6 clients to access my pure-ftpd server, but don't know how to write /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/Bind
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03:20.18jetscreamerminerale: when i have to supply the headers, (to nvidia binary) i use =/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include
03:20.20jetscreamerall i know
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03:20.57sonniea single line containing "IPv4,port" works
03:21.00jetscreamerminerale: it will install 2 different versions, the 'base' and the -8 (or whatever version # it's up to)
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03:21.27mineralejetscreamer: hmm... the driver is not compiling, it wants the kernel sources
03:22.19jetscreamerminerale: the path may need a little tweaking, depending... i'm not much of a compile wizard. usually i compile my own kernel, and the source is found automagically
03:22.32jetscreamerif something else wants it
03:22.39jetscreamer(nvidia binary)
03:22.49jetscreamerthat's about all i know
03:24.09deadcatanyone using the gtk2-engines-industrial package for mouse theme? broken in 7.0 ?
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03:24.24deadcatjetscreamer: new update tonight?
03:24.40streunerno
03:24.41jetscreameryeah some
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03:24.55streunernot really, 1 or 2 packages not more
03:24.55jetscreamernot the whole thing, but some
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03:25.06jetscreameri came up with a few more than 2
03:25.23streunerdeadcat: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges ? ;-)
03:25.49Alexa[X]what is the webpage for paste?
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03:26.00streuner!paste
03:26.00dpkgDo not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/
03:26.02deadcatmy mouse theme on desktop and laptop is not working.its not even the xorg packages that screws it. since i haveing done dist-upgrade and all the xorg packages are still 6.9 on the laptop
03:26.04Alexa[X]10x
03:26.13AwardIs there a way to mount (via fstab or otherwise) a vfat partition based on volume label or disk ID? I'm ok on the ext partitions using -L, but I'm not sure what do to (if anything) for the windows partitions on dynamic drives (external backup HDs, card readers, flash discs etc beyond trolling /proc/partitions to figure out where the device landed.)
03:26.29jetscreamerah mostly -dev ones though
03:26.52deadcatjetscreamer: -dev packages?
03:27.06Alexa[X]How i can rezolve this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/2392.
03:27.12deadcatAward: blkid to get the id for the drive
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03:27.22jetscreamerdeadcat: -dev packages related to xorg, yeah... and some fonts
03:27.38deadcatAward: it should look like this: UUID=087E-3032  /mnt/iriver             auto            user,noauto                     0       0
03:27.41jetscreameronly a few plain x ones
03:28.11deadcatjetscreamer: i see. since the mouse theme is busted on the ibook. i am just gonna get 7.0 as well. (=
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03:28.24Alexa[X]How i can rezolve this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/2392.
03:28.32Awarddeadcat: And then mount via -U
03:28.47Awarddeadcat: nifty, thanks
03:28.50deadcatAward: you can just mount regularly
03:28.51jetscreamerwell need to restart x to see if the glx is fixed (i saw it d/l)
03:29.21Awarddeadcat: "regularly"?
03:29.34deadcatjetscreamer: well maybe i should stick with 6.9 on ppc since gravity mentioned that only the x86 is ok...
03:29.37deadcatAward: normally
03:30.22Awarddeadcat: Oh I see what you mean, yes.
03:31.23Awarddeadcat: thanks
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03:32.38jetscreamerboo  ERROR: SDL_SetVideoMode failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
03:32.45deadcatjetscreamer: well maybe i should stick with 6.9 on ppc since gravity mentioned that only the x86 is ok...
03:32.59mineraleAnyone else here just "loves" the non-cleartype small, concise font in xterm? can that same font be used in gnome-terminal ?
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03:33.11phyrsterwhere is the base-config for sid?
03:33.12jetscreamerdeadcat: yes take him at his word about xorg in debian
03:33.14phyrsterit seemed gone
03:33.24jetscreamerit's gone
03:33.32jetscreameror was
03:33.37phyrsterI want use apt-setup but ...
03:33.38jetscreamer!info base-config
03:33.48jetscreamer!info apt-spy
03:33.50dpkgapt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
03:33.55deadcatphyrster: no apt-setup in sid
03:34.03jetscreamerdselect has a sources list editor also, but you need to know what source you want
03:34.04phyrsterjetscreamer: then any replacement for it?
03:34.06Dwonishmm..  so gravity et all. aren't maintaining branden's old stance that X packages will be released when _all_ the architectures work?
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03:34.24Dwonissigh. s/all\./al./
03:34.26phyrsterdeadcat: why it is removed?
03:34.30cindyis there a texas holdem game for debian
03:34.33deadcatphyrster: no clue.
03:34.41Alexa[X]How i can rezolve this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/2392.
03:34.43deadcatcindy: apt-cache search holdem
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03:35.08deadcatcindy: theres a python one which allow you to log online but my friend said it sucked
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03:35.55DwonisTexas Hold'em is best played with plain old python-crypto and a copy of _Applied Cryptography_!
03:36.04jetscreamer!find postgres
03:36.06dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'postgres' (13 of 61): aolserver4-nspostgres ;; cl-sql-postgresql ;; cl-sql-postgresql-socket ;; courier-authpostgresql ;; gambas-gb-db-postgresql ;; gda2-postgres ;; gforge-db-postgresql ;; kexi-postgresql-driver ;; libghc6-hdbc-postgresql-dev ;; libghc6-hsql-postgresql-dev ;; libgnadepostgresql1 ;; libhk-classes-postgres ;; libhugs-hdbc-postgresql.
03:36.19deadcatholdem should be plaid OFFLINE
03:36.19jetscreamer!info postgresql
03:36.24dpkgpostgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system (transitional)), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.5.18 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
03:36.48cindyi found the online python games
03:37.00Dwonisdeadcat: shhh, I could make some money at this!  ;)
03:37.35deadcatDwonis: hahaha.. so many dreamers
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03:37.49deadcatcindy: does it work? holdem right?
03:38.00cindylooking for holdem to play against the computer
03:38.05deadcatoh
03:38.06Dwonisdeadcat: I don't have to be good at poker; I just have to be good at network security... or breaking it :)
03:38.09phyrsteris sid's x-server packages broken?
03:38.17Alexa[X]>?
03:38.20deadcatDwonis: well. are you? (=
03:38.22phyrsterI found I can't launch xrvt after an upgrade
03:38.39Dwonisdeadcat: only if you compare me to people who know nothing about the subject ;/
03:38.42phyrsterurxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting.
03:38.52deadcatDwonis: all those security means nothing. i prefer face to face robbing.. "give me those goddamn cash bitch!"
03:39.25Guerinphyrster: works for me
03:39.37Guerindeadcat: i almost got robbed three days ago
03:39.44Guerinyou know; real-life robbed
03:39.51Guerinnot hax0red
03:39.53phyrsterGuerin: to get X work, I only have to install xorg which will install other pkgs right?
03:39.55deadcatGuerin: damn. how you mean almost?
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03:40.02Guerinphyrster: no.
03:40.04DwonisGuerin: you mean you went... outside?
03:40.10phyrsterGuerin: so many X packages, I am not sure which to install.
03:40.16phyrsterGuerin: x-window-system-core ?
03:40.23phyrsterplus a windows manager?
03:40.24DwonisGuerin: like... away from IRC?
03:40.30Guerinphyrster: that's a minimum
03:40.33deadcatphyrster: yes. window manager
03:40.41zinxDwonis: don't be silly
03:40.44GuerinDwonis: strange, but true.
03:40.47zinxDwonis: there are portable computers now
03:41.00Metricsphyrster: There's also some problems with X in Sid at the moment.
03:41.01Dwoniszinx: whew! ok.
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03:41.18phyrsterMetrics: like what? font problems?
03:41.20Guerindeadcat: i was coming out of an atm in Hue, at 2am, and five siclo drivers corralled me in and tried to muscle me - what saved me was that the atm was busted and didn't give me any cashola
03:41.21Metricsphyrster: Or so I have read, I'm holding off an upgrade till it settles.
03:41.35phyrsterMetrics: my fonts (pcf fonts) stopped working
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03:41.45Guerinfwiw, the X upgrade in sid worked perfectly for me, first time
03:41.47deadcatGuerin: damn.. lucky you....
03:41.51Awarddeadcat: Hmm, any idea what it means when blkid returs UUIDs in the format "4089-B35D" (invalid) for all fat32 partitions?
03:41.51Metricshttp://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
03:42.00phyrsterGuerin: when did you do that?
03:42.02MetricsGuerin: Hmmm...should try it then.
03:42.10Guerinphyrster: yesterday or day before
03:42.11deadcatAward: no clue. no fat32 here.. i only use that for usb drives
03:42.27zinxAward: maybe it's returning the serial number?
03:42.29Guerinphyrster: i'm upgrading from sid about january, since that's when I last had my own internet
03:42.33Awarddeadcat: Same here, it happens that the USB drive has some ext and some vfat partitiosn on it
03:42.34zinxAward: FAT32 doesn't have a real UUID
03:42.43deadcatGuerin: at 2am. all atm should be off.. when was the last time someone took money out the money machine for goods
03:42.47phyrsterGuerin: I did it yesterday
03:42.49Awardzinx: Aha, that's what I initially thought.
03:42.51cnjs3274what app can I use to listen to the radio on a linux console?
03:42.57zinxAward: and FAT32 serial numbers are exactly that format
03:43.01deadcatAward: blkid only get the id. i dont think it cares about the fs
03:43.15zinxdeadcat: it most certainly cares about the fs
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03:43.27zinxdeadcat: UUIDs are fs-specific -- where they're stored, if they're stored, etc
03:43.29Awardzinx: Which brings me back to my original question...is there any way to mount via fstab (or mount) a dynamic (externa/hotswap) device that isn't an ext or xfs partiton? without juts probing /proc/partitions to find out where it landed?
03:43.32Guerindeadcat: there's no reason an atm should ever go offline
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03:43.47zinxAward: dunno
03:44.11Awardzinx: I ask the tough ones :P
03:44.15phyrsterMetrics: thank you for the link, it is the font path that mess up my box
03:44.22deadcatzinx: oh.. oops (= maybe tyhats why dumpe2fs shows the id
03:44.35Alexa[X]How i can rezolve this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/2392.
03:44.36phyrsterMetrics: I hate to change my font path manually .
03:44.36Alexa[X]How i can rezolve this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/2392.
03:45.04Metricsphyrster: The thing I'm not sure about is whether xfs is shot or not?
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03:46.38myboxenevening all
03:46.40dotCOMmieanyone using gnome on testing do dist-upgrade lately?
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03:47.13phyrsterMetrics: seems I don't have xfs installed.
03:47.17phyrsterMetrics: does it matter?
03:47.36Metricsphyrster: Yeah, it conflicts with the new xorg, but I don't know whether it really matters or not.
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03:48.00Metricsphyrster: Shouldn't if all your font paths are hard-coded in xorg.conf.
03:48.18MetricsGuerin: Do you have any info on xfs and xorg 7 in sid?
03:48.22Dwoniscnjs3274: You could go to Dollarama and buy a radio ;)
03:48.55myboxenive been trying to install deb netinst 20060406 3.1r2? for the last few hours on a IBM t43. I can't seem to get it to detect the cdrom. I have found the bug note on debian.org and tried its recommendations, no work, I have also tried several other suggestions I found on google. They did not work either. Most all of them had to do with disabling ata-piix before the cdrom was detected, then enable it after the cdrom was detect
03:48.56myboxened.
03:48.56streunerMetrics: xfs package isn't in 7 anymore, AFAIK
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03:49.35Metricsstreuner: So do you know what that means for font handling?
03:49.38Dwonismyboxen: for something obscure like that, you might do better to ask the debian-user mailing list (wider audience)
03:49.40myboxenI just installed ubuntu, and edubuntu, they both work fine. Is there somewhere I can look to combine whatever fix's edubuntu use to edit the debian etch installer.
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03:50.11miki2awww, no way i can fix that crap thing :(
03:50.27Dwoniscnjs3274: "apt-cache search radio" returns several things, including: "radio - ncurses-based radio application"
03:50.36myboxenDwonis: ok, thank you.
03:50.46weasel00Dwonis : ncurses lol
03:51.12weasel00funny name :)
03:51.14deadcati love my ob3+gtk2 themes (=
03:51.17miki2im getting 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' (after loading /scripts/local-top), and after like 10min it shows that hda2 is not mounted
03:51.43cnjs3274Dwonis: a radio with an internet connection?
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03:52.26Dwoniscnjs3274: are you trying to listen to a radio tuner card, or some Internet "radio" stream?
03:52.33cnjs3274Dwonis: thanks.. never heard  of radio but it's worth a try
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03:53.04deadcatweasel00: you been to the CABAL meetings? i think this sat is the last meeting at the current place, they are moving to a new place few blocks away i think.
03:53.09streunerMetrics: well, xfs is in 7 :-)
03:53.17Dwonisweasel00: Are you surprised that a GNU project has a weird name?  If so, why?
03:53.24streunerMetrics: ii  xfs                              1.0.1-4                    X font server
03:53.42Dewiwhat's that thing to search for a filename in the apt database?
03:53.47Dewiapt-file ?
03:53.48Metricsstreuner: Thanks.
03:53.58smacnayI guess I will wait for X.org to update in "testing".
03:54.15cnjs3274Dwonis: it's just to have some quiet background music on my laptop - I guess it would be streaming
03:54.28GuerinDewi: y
03:54.43DewiGuerin: okay good guess... sorry to bother you :P
03:55.06Dwoniscnjs3274: ah, ok, radio probably isn't for that then.  you could try mp3blaster.  I _think_ it supports streaming, and despite the name, it supports Ogg Vorbis also.
03:55.55Guerinmplayer > * for streaming
03:56.04Guerinor you could use streamripper
03:58.29cnjs3274Dwonis: thanks a bunch - tried mplayer but I'm not sure how you invoke it for  that purpose
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03:58.44Dwonisegad... in addition to vigor, there's also a vimgor, and a vigor plugin for XMMS
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03:59.09jetscreameri believe even xine does streams
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03:59.24cnjs3274does xmms have a text mode?
03:59.48Dwoniscnjs3274: I don't think so. xmms2 might, when it's released
04:00.09jetscreamermplayer 'likes' cli
04:00.21kuzewhello, im haveing some problems with the new gnome. When it trys to load a icon, i get  Failed to load image
04:00.22Dwoniscnjs3274: however, xmms can be remote-controlled, so you could probably cook up something with Xvfb
04:00.30Dwoniscnjs3274: but I wouldn't bother
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04:00.59kuzewsorry
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04:01.35Dwoniskuzew: I don't really use gnome (well, nautilus, which is where I think your error is coming from), but I'd guess that you're missing an icons package
04:01.48kuzewreinstall that then
04:01.49kuzew?
04:02.15phyrsterwhat's wrong with sid, package 'less' is gone also
04:02.22Dwoniskuzew: My guess is it's the gnome-icon-theme package
04:02.33kuzewok, thanks Dwonis
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04:02.42Dwoniskuzew: so yeah, you could try apt-get install --reinstall gnome-icon-theme
04:02.48kuzewyup
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04:03.03StuckMojoso...is there any way to upgrade from i386 to amd64?
04:03.12StuckMojoshort of a clean install?
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04:03.22Dwonisphyrster: less has been deprecated in favour of more
04:03.31Dwonis(I love how that sounds)
04:03.33cnjs3274thanks all.. gotta run
04:03.42Dwonisphyrster: apt-get install less ?
04:04.37DwonisStuckMojo: I don't know, but I suspect there isn't.
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04:04.55DwonisStuckMojo: it could get very messy if it wasn't done properly
04:04.56kuzewDwonis: Now do i restart nautilus?
04:05.16StuckMojoCOLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install
04:05.23StuckMojowell that will reinstall everything on the system...
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04:05.28Dwoniskuzew: I guess\
04:05.36StuckMojoso if i just changed my...hmm
04:05.36kuzewalright
04:05.57StuckMojomaybe if i booted an amd64 kernel first?
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04:07.51DwonisStuckMojo: or it will break a bunch of stuff :)
04:08.04DwonisStuckMojo: Whatever you do, I'd definitely make sure I have a recent backup on hand :)
04:08.09miki2im running 2.6.15-1-686 kernel, it loads /scripts/local-top and then im getting 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' message for like 10min, then it says that it cant find hda2. any solution?
04:08.11StuckMojowell...i've got a raid1 mirror, so could break it first and try on just one disk
04:08.16DwonisStuckMojo: at least of /etc, /var, and /home
04:08.17jetscreamerhttp://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mpst.html#use_mpst  <-streams
04:08.18puphi guys, still trying to get this monitor to work... i switched to the vesa driver and i noticed something which looks good in the log file.  it lists the supported vesa modes, from 720x400 through 1280x1024, then lists a "supported additional video mode" which looks like it is 1680x1050 like i want... so i tried adding a modeline for that and named it WideMode, but it just says Not using mode "WideMode" (no mode of this name) in the log.
04:08.18pup<PROTECTED>
04:08.31StuckMojoif it hoses everything, i can just re-initialize the mirror from the other disk
04:08.52DwonisStuckMojo: lol, I suppose you could, just be careful that Linux doesn't try to copy the more-recent data to the older disk!
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04:09.04pupbut no messages about deleting the mode this time, which I think is maybe progress ;)
04:09.05StuckMojopup: try this...
04:09.14DaBladepup: nVidia or ATi drivers?
04:09.33nite613_Is there a way to turn on SSL Accelerator support in apache2 (sarge)? I've tried getting the source and adding --enable-rule=SSL_EXPERIMENTAL and -DSSL_EXPERIMENTAL to the build rules and recompiling. Doesn't work.
04:09.38pupdablade, neither, just some integrated intel chip
04:09.47DaBladeHm...
04:09.51StuckMojopup:         Option          "IgnoreEDID" "true"
04:09.55DaBladeDon't know then.
04:10.01StuckMojotry that in the vid card driver section
04:10.09pupStuckMojo, add that to the Monitor section?
04:10.09Dwonispup: you shouldn't need to add a modeline.  Just add to the Modes line in "Display" subsection of the "Screen" section
04:10.14StuckMojothat lets me run 1920x1440 on my 21", which i can't w/o it
04:10.37Dwonispup: e.g. change 'Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"' to 'Modes "1680x1050" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"'
04:11.19itsmikehave a portable computer for sale - $450 is the amount include ship. case, wireless router.  message if interested on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com if interested
04:11.33kuzewDwonis: Dang, I still get the same error after the restart of gnome.
04:11.53pupDwonis, i've tried that, to no avail, i get the same Not using mode "1680x1050" (no mode of this name) message
04:11.57Dwoniskuzew: no idea, then (though someone else might now)
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04:12.16StuckMojopup: try adding that option along with it
04:12.24kuzewDwonis: Ok, thanks for your help then
04:12.29StuckMojopup: it refused to use my res i wanted, even though the monitor can do it
04:12.32Dwonispup: ok, if that didn't work, then adding an equivalent modeline also won't work
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04:12.54Dwoniskuzew: no problem
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04:13.38Dwonispup: IIRC, X starts with a whole bunch of modelines, then removes the ones that don't meet the monitor's specs
04:13.56Lucaswhat is kernel 2.6 REGPARM and NO-REGPARM?
04:14.12Dwonispup: Search for "Not using" in Xorg.0.log.  you should see a bunch of lines like that
04:15.05Dwonispup: you could also post your Xorg.log to a pastebin
04:15.18chicalinuxhello
04:15.22Lucaswhat is kernel 2.6 REGPARM and NO-REGPARM?
04:15.33Dwonis!tell Lucas about repeat
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04:15.52StuckMojoLucas: giyf
04:15.52pupDwonis, what is a pastebin?  (sorry)
04:15.59Dwonis!tell pup about paster
04:16.07StuckMojopup seriously, try that option
04:16.17pupDwonis, i only get two such messages.  one for mode "1680x1050", and one for built-in mode "1600x1200".  interesting that 1680x1050 doesn't say built in...
04:16.27StuckMojoit tells X to ignore the res list the monitor gives out
04:16.38LucasStuckMojo: giyf?
04:16.44Dwonis!giyf
04:16.45dpkgGoogle Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/
04:16.47StuckMojogoogle is your friend
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04:17.26Lucas!stfw
04:17.27dpkgfrom memory, stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM.  <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>.
04:17.38Lucas!rtfm
04:17.39dpkgit has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] or Read Their Fucking Minds.
04:17.47Dwonis!msg the bot
04:17.47dpkgplease message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood
04:17.53pupStuckMojo, i've tried it but it didn't seem to affect anything
04:17.57pupi'll try that pastebin thing
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04:18.07Dwonispup: also paste your xorg.conf
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04:18.23pupsure
04:19.22itsmikehave a portable computer for sale - $450 is the amount include ship. case, wireless router.  message if interested on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com if interested
04:19.56Dwonis!tell itsmike about ads
04:20.22rohanif there is a bug which is already closed, how do i request a reopen ?
04:20.29rohanright now i just sent a message there
04:20.37rohanbut will the proper persons be notified ?
04:21.01Dwonisrohan: "there"?
04:21.19rohanDwonis: there = 361084@bugs.debian.org
04:21.30rohanDwonis: is sent an email to it, saying that it still doesnt solve the bug for me
04:21.42rohanDwonis: but will it be reopened ? or the proper people notified ?
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04:22.38menkohi people, ok, by symlinking /dev/tty1 to /dev/console, halt shows what it's doing. So how can I get this to happen automatically? Just put it in a rc file, or is there some other way to keep the setting?
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04:24.25rohanmenko: /etc/init.d/bootmisc
04:25.19menkook so I can replace /dev/console with the symlink in that file. But, do you know what controls the creation of /dev/console?
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04:25.50ferrouswheelHi all, I'm trying to build a debian package with 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' and it tells me 'cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/bin/eet-config': No such file or directory'. when i check for that file it exists... any body have any suggestions?
04:25.51Dwonisrohan: according to http://bugs.debian.org/361084, it was forward to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org and to Martin Schulze <joey@debian.org>.
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04:26.54pupDwonis, here is the paste thing: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2394
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04:27.06Dwonisrohan: it looks like it was already reopened before you sent your message
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04:28.18Dwonisferrouswheel: sounds like a bug with the source package
04:28.48billybobhey i have two linux boxes, whats the easiest way to send a folder back and forth?
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04:29.33ferrouswheelDwonis: kay, thanks - will talk to the devs then :)
04:29.36Dwonispup: as a side note, you probably want "DefaultFbBpp 32" after DefaultDepth, and "FbBpp 32" under "Depth 24"
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04:29.46Dwonispup: but don't worry about it until you get everything else working
04:29.49castbillybob: rsync?
04:30.04castdamnit. s/ billybob / Dwonis
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04:30.28Dwoniscast: huh?
04:30.41Dwoniscast: I think you were right the first time
04:30.42pupok
04:30.44castuh. sorry. i haven't slept much lately and am under alot of stress and can't seem to scan horizontally across the screen.
04:30.54Dwoniscast: heh. it happens :0
04:31.02Dwoniscast: s/:0/:)/ ... bah
04:31.12Dwoniscast: I rest my case
04:31.34billybobcast: thanks
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04:32.17Dwonispup: wait, you're using VESA?  I thought you had some intel chip
04:32.30pupi can use i810 instead if you want
04:32.34pupeither seem to work at lower resolutions
04:32.51castbillybob: that'll keep it synced everytime you run it. but you might want to look at mounting it over sftp so it comes up as a dir, long as you aren't going to be opening/editing files on both files at the same time
04:32.54miki2im running 2.6.15-1-686 kernel, it loads /scripts/local-top and then im getting 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' message for like 10min, then it says that it cant find hda2. any solution?
04:32.56pupsome web site thread said that vesa had solved thier problems... :)
04:33.07pupshould i post a i810 log instead?
04:33.23Dwonispup: that would be better.  vesa has _terrible_ performance, usually
04:34.05pupDwonis, ok thanks, i'll redo it
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04:34.30Dwonispup: vesa is usually recommended as a temporary measure when people say "X won't start", to weed out FontPath problems and other configuration errors
04:35.00billybobcast: thanks, is there a prog to set that up?
04:35.05Dwonispup: if any other driver supports your video board, you should definitely try to use it
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04:35.15castbillybob: FUSE, but that'll be a bit more work than rsync
04:35.41liloI know you guys already know this, but itsmike is a scam artist
04:35.49liloI'm telling you on channel so he knows you know
04:36.08Guerinwell
04:36.13liloyou might as well clog up his instant message client and his email with fake expressions of interest, it's probably the only way to discourage him ;)
04:36.19pupDwonis, aah, i see.  here's the updated log: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2395
04:36.25billybobcast: alright thanks
04:36.28Guerinhe'd have gotten kicked and banned for spamming soon anyway
04:36.39liloGuerin: I'll kline him once I'm through making the rounds
04:36.54liloGuerin: mostly he just needs to know that nobody here is going to believe his stuff is real
04:36.59Guerinfair fair
04:37.07liloGuerin: you guys already know ;)
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04:38.43Dwonispup: this looks suspect: "HorizSync 30-83" "VertRefresh 56-76"
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04:39.30Dwonispup: my LCD, which only supports 1600x1200 (I think, I can't remember) has HS: 30-69, VR: 48-125
04:39.37Dwonispup: I also had to force that in my xorg.conf, because DDC detected it incorrectly
04:39.46pupah
04:40.00Dwonispup: Do you have the manual from your monitor?  With any luck, it'll say what settings to use
04:40.18pupyeah, let me find those again real quick
04:40.31Dwonispup: StuckMojo's suggestion of IgnoreEDID only works if your config file actually has the correct values :)
04:40.57puphere are the specs: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2007WFP/en/about.htm#Specifications
04:41.11pupi switched it to 83 because that was somewhere in the log
04:41.15pupinstead of 81
04:41.54Dwonispup: hmm.  ok, weird.
04:41.55nvzam i in #ebay?
04:42.09Dwonisnvz: no, hence the k-line :)
04:42.27Dwonispup: I'll look closer
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04:45.57Dwonispup: I wonder... does your video board even support 1680x1050x32bpp?
04:46.48pupDwonis, pretty sure; the computer came with windows and i swithched it up to 1680x1050... not sure about 32bpp vs 24 or whatnot though
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04:47.04pupDwonis, before it was promptly reformatted :)
04:47.08Shadowcatman this place never sleeps
04:47.10Dwonispup: 32 bpp is just 32-bit-aligned 24bpp
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04:47.30pupDwonis, ah ok, that's sensible
04:47.30Dwonispup: I'm more concerned about 24bpp vs 16 bpp
04:48.01path_make == make bzImage ??
04:48.32nvz!kernel-package
04:48.32dpkgTo compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
04:48.39Dwonispup: try commenting-out the DefaultFbBpp and FbBpp lines, and change DefaultDepth and Depth to 16.  Also, add your "WideMode" again to the list
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04:49.55pupok, so... that seemed to bump me up to 1600x1200, except that the desktop is actually bigger than the screen's resolution.  it's still displaying at 1280x1024@75hz
04:50.07pupaccording to the monitor's menu
04:50.25Dwonispup: ok, let's see the log?
04:50.43pupsure
04:51.02ESPOiGis there a way to run a program in terminal but not show what is happening, like say i type firefox then i want it to go back to the command line so i can type another command
04:51.23DwonisESPOiG: yes
04:51.30DwonisESPOiG: either type "firefox & disown"
04:51.58ESPOiGDwonis: yeh that works :D
04:52.07ESPOiGDwonis: is there another way
04:52.07DwonisESPOiG: or, if you already started firefox, hit Ctrl-Z, then type bg ; disown
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04:52.29ESPOiGDwonis: thankyou just what i wanted
04:52.34Steviedisown?
04:52.43bert_Ok, Who can help me find a Debian based Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, I found a Linux version of it, But it fails and says the installation stops at x86/glibc-2.1... any ideas?
04:53.01pupDwonis, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2396
04:53.08pupDwonis, odd, it doesn't ever mention 1680
04:53.11DwonisStevie: keeps the program from getting SIGHUP if you close the xterm
04:53.28Dwonispersonally, I prefer "some-x-app & exit"
04:53.32Stevieoh neat
04:53.44StevieI prefer screen :D
04:54.08bert_Anyone?
04:54.12Dwonispup: with the config, you need to also set DefaultDepth 16, and add  back WideMode
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04:54.59Azarbert_: what OS are you using?
04:55.09sandmanDoes Fedora have netinstall capabilities like Debian or Gentoo?
04:55.14bert_Azar: Ubuntu
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04:55.26Azarbert_: there are no packages for ubuntu here: this is Debian
04:55.30ESPOiGDwonis: k another question, if i do this in a script, eg line1- firefox & disown line2 - killall firefox-bin (how do i get it to wait for say 5seconds before it trys to kill firefox, as firefox hasnt loaded yet)
04:55.35Azarbert_: ask in #ubuntu
04:55.46DwonisESPOiG: sleep 5
04:55.53ESPOiGDwonis: :D
04:55.54bert_Azar: Yes, I know, But I went to ubuntu, and they sent me here hopeing sombody could help me find a Debian based package, of the file I am searching for...
04:55.56ESPOiGthankyou
04:56.06DwonisESPOiG: you're welcome
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04:56.15Azarbert_: tell them they are idiots, Debian uses other packages, different than ubuntu
04:56.17ESPOiGDwonis: very helful
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04:56.22ESPOiG*helpful
04:56.32bert_Azar: Ok, Thanks for the information, Back to them I go... :(
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04:57.17JeffHI just made some changes to my e-mail server settings and would like to redeliver some e-mail I got to see if the spam filter catches them.  Is there any way to setup a loop back device to look like another IP?
04:57.57DwonisI wonder if Ubuntu people tend to recommend installing Debian packages on Ubuntu systems...
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04:58.11StevieJeffH: ifconfig eth0:0 up newiphere
04:58.18Azar...or I am the idiot and they indeed can download from our site?
04:58.41Azarcan they?
04:58.47Stevieubuntu has modified packages
04:59.01Steviei don't think debian's own packages will work in ubuntu
04:59.02Azarso they do ubuntunize them
04:59.13pupDwonis, here is the updated log... still no luck... seems to stay in 1280x1024 now http://channels.debian.net/paste/2397
04:59.22JeffHStevie: that'll change my primary IP won't it?  I can't do that.
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04:59.32sandmanuser-mode-linux vs. linux-vserver?
04:59.40Dwonispup: oh, I know it won't work yet; I just want to see the log :)
05:00.05pupDwonis, heh, thanks for all your help
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05:00.13pupDwonis, looks like those DDC maximums are back
05:00.34edwinhola alguien habla español?
05:01.11JeffHI guess that was your 'cute' way of saying 'no, you can't do that!'
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05:01.33Dwonis!tell edwin -about es
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05:01.54Dwonissandman: I prefer Xen
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05:02.28Dwonissandman: xen is vastly faster than user-mode-linux
05:03.04Steviexen is different from user-mode-linux
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05:04.36sandmanDwonis: Okie. It looks like user-mode-linux is basically a port of the linux kernel to the POSIX api
05:04.54sandmanAnd linux-vserver is the use of a collection of tools for the purpose of process seperation
05:05.27sandmanlinux-vserver is still vulnerable to kernel-aimed attacks, while user-mode-linux is slower
05:05.50sandmanIndeed. It looks to be that after all my research, Xen is the solution I'd be looking for.
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05:07.52Dwonispup: it looks like IgnoreEDID might be specific to the "radeon" driver
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05:09.11gpmis there any way to get sound in hurd?
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05:10.16instaDoes anyone have an easy way, from a CLI machine, send an MP3 playlist to a ShoutCAST ( *not* IceCAST ) server?
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05:11.07Dwonispup: try putting 'Option "DisplayInfo" "false"' in the "Device" section of the configuration file
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05:13.20pupDwonis, nothing jumps out at me, i'll post another log
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05:14.25Dwonispup: You could instead try 'Option "DDC" "false"', but according to the man page i810(4x), that probably isn't supported by your board
05:14.42puphttp://channels.debian.net/paste/2398
05:14.45pupi'll give it a shot
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05:18.15Shadowcat23:18?
05:18.17Shadowcatwhere are you?
05:18.23ShadowcatPacific?
05:18.58DwonisShadowcat: me, or did you just TIME the whole channel?
05:19.16Denmarktor apr 20 04:04:51 UTC 2006
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05:19.19ShadowcatI only timed you
05:19.20DwonisShadowcat: I'm on Saskatchewan time
05:19.22Denmarkups
05:19.29DenmarkThu Apr 20 04:05:04 UTC 2006
05:19.33pupDwonis, well thanks for all your help, i think i'm gonna throw in the towel
05:19.56pupDwonis, maybe i'll try to put a graphics card in it, to see if i can get it working with something else
05:20.00DenmarkSo, is ATI releasing specs contrary to ATI?
05:20.10Dwonispup: ok.  My suggestion is to try to get 1600x1200 working first, since the problems you're having with that seem to be somewhat different from the problems you're having with 1680x1050
05:20.20DenmarkUhm.... s/o ATI/o NVIDIA/
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05:20.40Dwonispup: or, maybe not :)
05:21.23pupheh, ok well, goodnight :)
05:21.29Denmark/eval say Hey, wake up $chanusers()
05:21.34Denmarkoops
05:21.50tmg1|archimedeshuh?
05:22.01DwonisHEY!!
05:22.05tmg1|archimedesDwonis: another saskatchewanian ;)
05:22.18DenmarkI wonder if ATI is releasing specs on their gfx contrary to nvidia
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05:22.58Dwonistmg1|archimedes: heh.  we have nothing better to do than to live our lives on IRC :)
05:23.09tmg1|archimedesDwonis: that too
05:23.10DenmarkI am about to buy a new computer ... I only run Debian on my private computers.
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05:23.23DenmarkDwonis : lies!
05:23.24swimhey folks Im running etch, and I'm not finding a kernel-source-* for my kernel which is at this moment: 2.6.15-1-686
05:23.26swimin apt
05:23.28ShadowcatDwonis: I'm only up because I spent half the night thinking on about a girl
05:23.35ShadowcatI'm so not getting anything done today
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05:24.08Shadowcatit was barely 6am when I signed onto IRC
05:24.11DenmarkShadowcat:  Now imagine her with a 1 GHz front side bus! ;-)
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05:24.19Dwonistmg1|archimedes: The nice thing about living here is we have accesscomm.  cable internet with 2 static IP addresses for $45.95 CAD/months.
05:24.39ShadowcatDenmark: don't make me drive down there to beat some sense into you
05:24.40Dwonisless if you have cable, or if you subscribe to a cheaper service
05:24.41tmg1|archimedesDwonis: damn rights ;) I'm about to upgrade to that plan
05:24.44Shadowcatit's only a 10 hour drive
05:24.47ShadowcatI can make it!
05:24.48DenmarkShadowJK: Hehe
05:24.53DwonisIt's great when your local cable company is a non-profit cooperative :)
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05:25.05thegreatdarkCHUCK NORRIS JOKES ARE COOL!
05:25.20DenmarkShadowcat: I been thinking motherboard yesterday and today.
05:25.30Dwonis!chucknorrissmite thegreatdark
05:25.31wobblerpup, i think you mey need to remove glcore because you have glx
05:25.33thegreatdarkHAHAHA.
05:25.34thegreatdarkthegreatdark: CHUCK NORRIS JOKES ARE COOL!
05:25.34thegreatdark[12:26am] Dwonis: kicks thegreatdark
05:25.34Denmarkthegreatdark : Yow!
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05:25.49swimanyone?
05:25.54Dwonis!chucksmite thegreatdark
05:26.01Denmark!tell swim about anyone
05:26.09vineetI'm having url deuglification troubles with a moinmoin apache2/mod_python install
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05:26.15Dwonis!chucksmite thegreatdark
05:26.24Denmarkargh .. they crushed the factoid!
05:26.27tmg1|archimedes!tell themusicgod1 about anyone
05:26.32swimDenmark, if you look  at my post I did ask my question
05:26.33tmg1|archimedes!tell tmg1|archimedes about anyone
05:26.46Denmarkswim : They changed the factoid ...
05:26.46vineetwhen I go to http://leche/moin/FrontPage, I get page links like http://leche/moin/FrontPage/RecentChanges, etc.
05:26.55swimah
05:27.10Coweatertmg1|archimedes: you can msg the bot
05:27.18Denmarkswim : Someone should flock them. :D
05:27.20cnjs3274Dwonis: and others who helped - I got mplayer to play the radio
05:27.28ShadowcatYOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME
05:27.30vineetit works if I use http://leche/moin/moin.cgi/FrontPage , or even http://leche/moin/foo/FrontPage
05:27.30Shadowcatit's SNOWING
05:27.36sandmanXen appears to be relatively unstable atm..
05:27.38Shadowcatin April
05:27.41Shadowcat!!!!!
05:27.41dpkg"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
05:27.48cnjs3274.. and for some reason the sound is considerably better than realplay
05:27.50Shadowcatit's actually SNOWING outside right now
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05:28.04vineetI can't figure out how to tell it to construct the correct URLs
05:28.09Dwonismeh, it snowed here yesterday.  It's snowed here before in august (but _that_ was weird)
05:28.15cnjs3274seems everything mplayer does it does it better than everything else
05:28.23sandmanThe weather around where I live has been _very_ weird lately
05:28.30ShadowcatDwonis: we just had 10 C yesturday
05:28.31tmg1|archimedessame here
05:28.33sandmanEspecially when considering how it used to be maybe a decade ago
05:28.34tmg1|archimedesI mean we almost had no snow
05:28.35Shadowcatand nwow it's snowing
05:28.41tmg1|archimedesit usually snows up until around, oh, may
05:28.43Shadowcatdamned global warming
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05:28.45tmg1|archimedesand starts snowing in, august
05:28.55tmg1|archimedeswe got our first snow in like january(!)
05:28.56DenmarkShadowcat: Buy a big basket of flowers, and give them to that silly girl ... if that makes you think about the money instead, consider yourself lucky ... otherwise you didn't waste the money.
05:29.10sandmanShadowcat: It's okay. When humanity as a whole begins collapsing, people will start to realize those in power could really care less about us :)
05:29.36sandmanShadowcat: It's been happening for hundreds of years, over and over again. History repeats itself, you know :)
05:29.47Shadowcatno kidding
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05:29.52Shadowcatright, I'm off to breakfast
05:29.57sandmanShadowcat: Rise and fall, rise and fall. Same stuff, different century.
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05:34.08miki2im running 2.6.15-1-686 kernel, it loads /scripts/local-top and then im getting 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' message for like 10min, then it says that it cant find hda2. any solution?
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05:35.01Spork_Boymaybe it's in that java thing mentioned in the topic huh? *smacks self for ops*
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05:37.05Azarmiki2: I just installed yesterday Debian on another box. Upgraded kernel, dist-upgraded to etch, got 2.6.15 kernel, configured my nvidia, installed X, and configured it, installed alsa and xmms, configured them, and the kernel works ok, sorry to tell you that
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05:38.13Azar..I was expecting etch to eat me alive, well it did not happened
05:38.42unix_infidelhey guys, I'm trying to find a script that does the following: parses iwlist [interface] to check for two predefined ip (Home and work) if it sees either one associate and dhclient it. else parse iwlist for the AP with the strongest link quality and associate and dhclient.
05:39.06unix_infideldoes anyone know of a script, i'd RATHER not use some stupid gnome tool.
05:39.23liablemiki2: the 2.6.15 failed eh?
05:41.21miki2laible: yes, but i got a clue to fix error
05:41.50miki2laible: althro it completly messed my 2.4.27 usb configuration and now modem aint working under any linux
05:42.33miki2liable: but 2.6.15 should run my modem, sience light are lihgtning for few seconds while its loading, wich is good sign that usb is really detected
05:42.44liablemiki2: hrm, it shouldnt have done anything to your 2.4 lernel.
05:43.06liablemiki2: does the 2.6.15 boot at all?
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05:43.29liableShadowcat: why ping me?
05:43.43Azarliable: reading the googles the unanime conclusion is that his modem will not run on a 2.6 kernel without patches or workarounds
05:44.28miki2<PROTECTED>
05:44.33Azarfirmware patches
05:44.35liableAzar: oh. i was going one step at a time and at least getting his usb detected.
05:44.46miki2sience in 2.4.27 its loaded as module and in 2.6.15 its already compiled
05:44.53liablemiki2: you have reiser?
05:45.07miki2liable: 2.6.15 got it compiled by default
05:45.09Azar:( uh
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05:46.07miki2liable: but it looks that 2.6.15 will detect my USB without extra drivers
05:46.19swimok maybe im reeeeaally lazy, but does anyone know if someone puts out pre-patch bootsplash debian kernels?
05:46.26liablemiki2: how can you tell if it doesnt even boot?
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05:47.54beetlepun_anyone knows what command exists for remote untarring on archives on ftp?
05:48.01miki2liable: modem lihgts are lightning up for few seconds
05:48.23miki2liable: just as in 2.4.27
05:48.30Azarmiki2: I still do not know: you running etch or sid? ext3 or reiserfs? gnome or kde? ppoa or pppoe ?
05:48.56miki2azar: ext3, kde, pppoa i dunno etch/sid
05:49.06unix_infidelanyone for my wireless question above?
05:49.26Azarmiki2: paste the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list on a paster
05:49.50miki2azar: im on windows now, cant get net to works, theres no need to paste that
05:49.56liablemiki2: you have sarge
05:50.02Azarouch
05:50.03Azarok
05:50.11miki2azar: i got only default stable sources and backports org
05:50.36Azarmiki2: did you tried to install the firmware patch from your modem manufacturer site?
05:50.45miki2liable: yes, but 2.6.15 aint stable yet
05:51.02miki2azar: first i need to get boot problem solved to boot into linux
05:51.07Azarmiki2: 2.6.15 stable enough if my box did not cough on it
05:51.09liablemiki2: do you have a fat32 partition so you can save logs onto it and paste them from windows?
05:51.25miki2im running 2.6.15-1-686 kernel, it loads /scripts/local-top and then im getting 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' message for like 10min, then it says that it cant find hda2. any solution?
05:51.41miki2liable: nope, ntfs but i got floppy...
05:52.07miki2liable: but i cant run 2.6.15 anyway, after 15min it kicks me to busybox with almost no commands aviable
05:52.44Azarhmm personal curiosity I saw busybox installed when I dist-upgraded to etch , what is busybox?
05:52.46hrtpis 14:00 equal to 1:00 AM ?
05:52.50hrtpor 1:00 PM?
05:52.55Azar14 is 2 pm
05:53.02hrtpoh
05:53.07Azarjust count your fingers starting from 12pm
05:53.13liablemiki2: ok. get the output of lspci, fdisk -l, and the kern.log and also your fstab.
05:53.15hrtpthen what is 2 AM ?
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05:53.18hrtp02:00
05:53.19hrtp?
05:53.23Azar:) is 2 am
05:53.28hrtpi see
05:53.42Azaryou count from 1 am to 24 / 24 hours
05:53.46miki2liable: from that busybox? im nto even sure if it will load floppy sience its not loading filesystem
05:53.50hrtpi just hate this 24-hour sometimes
05:53.55hrtpconfusing
05:54.01Azarnah, use your fingers
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05:54.20castuse 24h solely and it'll become non-confusing :>
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05:54.47hrtpso any 12:00+ is PM ?
05:54.53Azarhrtp: start from 12 mid day > 13 is 1 pm , 14 is 2 pm and so forth
05:55.02unstablehrtp: yes
05:55.03hrtplike 13:35 is 1:34 AM ?
05:55.04liablemiki2: no, from 2.4
05:55.14TBBleUh... linux-image-2.6.16-1-powerpc in unstable (-8) appears to depend on a version of mkvmlinuz (>=19) while the Debian archive appears to have only heard of mkvimlinuz 18. I don't seen anything in the BTS, am I overlooking something?
05:55.18unstablehrtp: 2400 is am, and 1200 is pm
05:55.20Azarhrtp: 13, 14, 15 are all PM
05:55.22miki2liable: aight, where i can find kern.log ?
05:55.26castif the number is > 12 just subtract 12
05:55.32liablemiki2: /var/log
05:55.32hrtpi see
05:55.48swimok maybe im reeeeaally lazy, but does anyone know if someone puts out pre-patch bootsplash debian kernels?
05:55.50hrtpso 00:00 is 12 AM ?
05:55.52miki2liable: brb in 20++ min(after loading)
05:55.59liablemiki2: get the messages.log as well while your at it
05:56.04hrtpic
05:56.04Azarhrtp: oo:oo is 24
05:56.10liablemiki2: np
05:56.16hrtpso its AM ?
05:56.21casthrtp: it's midnight
05:56.25hrtpoh
05:56.28Azarhrtp: military time do not use am or pm
05:56.48hrtpAzar: im just sayin, im tryna convert mil time to standard time
05:57.07Azaris easy: 12 is midday 24 is midnight
05:57.16hrtpok
05:57.18hrtpi got this
05:57.26castAzar: if there was a 24 ;)
05:57.42Azara 24 what?
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05:58.04castthere is no 2400, at 2359 it loops back to 0000
05:58.22Azarcast: indeed but is a virtual notification
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05:58.55Azaryou can use 00:00 and 24:00 since they mean the same, indeed though, 00:00 is more used
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06:00.14Azarif I want to print a 24 hour report for a specific day, I could use 00:01  through 24:00 with same result: one second earlier or later
06:00.54cast'This system is the most commonly used time notation in the world of today. The United States is the only industrialized country left in which a substantial fraction of the population is not yet accustomed to it.' curious, considering their large military
06:01.16valdynunstable: i dont, but have you tried waproamd?
06:01.41valdynunix_infidel: i dont, but have you tried waproamd?
06:02.10hrtpim trying to sell something on ebay right, and i want it to sell it at 2:00 AM, now
06:02.13unix_infidelvaldyn: ill check it out, i'd appreciate any other suggestions URls to nice scripts too.
06:02.16hrtpso that's 14:00 ?
06:02.22hrtpor 02:00?
06:03.47casthrtp: well if midnight is 0000, when is 0200 and 1400?
06:03.52valdynunix_infidel: maybe laptop-netconf, nothing else in debian as far as i can see
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06:04.30unix_infidelvaldyn: it doesnt have to be debian specific.
06:04.34unix_infideljust a script that does the above.
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06:04.54hrtpcast: i see
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06:05.15hrtpbut, i chose April 20 02:00
06:05.20hrtpand still not selling
06:05.24hrtpi know im off the topic
06:05.26hrtpbut yeah
06:05.34Azaris easier to figure military time than figure an IP address in binary
06:05.53casthrtp: same timezone?
06:06.05hrtpyeah
06:06.31hrtphmm
06:06.33hrtpi don't know
06:06.39hrtphow can i tell?
06:06.47Azardamn egoboo is still lagging in etch too, I guess my video memory is low , oh well
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06:07.20castit's really annoying over the internet when people use things other than UTC or dont list the offset/zone. sometimes you can't tell at all ;\
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06:08.49advocacywant to ask how can i down yahoo messnger to my pc?
06:09.07romulocan i use a amd64 kernel with 32 bit environment? like install debian i386 and use a amd64(k8) kernel?
06:09.15valdynromulo: yes
06:09.19romulogreat
06:09.19romulo:D
06:09.33castadvocacy: you don't. use gaim or similar instead
06:09.36advocacythanks ronolu your great
06:10.01advocacythank you cast
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06:11.49valdynAzar: you have hardware 3D acceleration?
06:12.03advocacyim really having a hard to do my pc you know?
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06:13.04advocacyIm not very familiar with Linux
06:13.15Azarvaldyn: I guess not, is an old nvidia GeForce2 MX MX 400
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06:13.48valdynAzar: i see, suppose you need the legacy nvidia-glx driver
06:13.51AzarI got this old box to life for testing, but I now am not sure what to test
06:14.36miki4i didnt know that kern.log is so big....
06:14.42Azaretch and the 2.6.15 kernel went ok, sound, image ok..
06:14.52advocacywant to connct or download yahoo mssenger but i dont know what to do
06:15.03r_marvinadvocacy: use gaim
06:15.09valdynAzar: yea, the free nv driver just has no 3D accel at all
06:15.28tarzeau!popcon
06:15.28dpkgsomebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
06:15.36Azarhi mr tarzeau :)
06:15.45miki4liable: 2.4.27 displays error while loading: * udev reqiures a kernel >= 2.16.12, not started
06:15.47advocacyokey marvin thank you i will try it and be back for the chat
06:15.49miki4failed!
06:16.06liablemiki4: thats fine.
06:16.09Azaryep udev is not on the higher kernels
06:16.14Spork_BoyI think whoever is in charge of dpkg needs to follow "fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb;" with "this may take several hours"
06:16.25Azarerr * on the lower kernels
06:16.40valdynSpork_Boy: weird, i dont think it took a minute for me
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06:16.55miki4liable: i cant pastebin full kern.log, its too big lol (1,3MB)
06:17.08Spork_Boyvaldyn, just finished. I don't think you're running a 333 :p
06:17.12Azarmiki4: paste only the last 3 days
06:17.15valdynSpork_Boy: right
06:17.25unstableThere is a german starwars game that is packaged with openoffice by default?
06:17.27unstableopen oocalc and put in =Game("StarWars") and hit enter
06:17.28Spork_Boy<-- ghettoboxer
06:17.38liablemiki4: just paste one section from a 2.4 boot and the 2.6.15 one
06:18.24AzarI take it miki4 can't reinstall and do the right stuff from the beginning?
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06:18.58miki4liable: lspci - http://pastebin.com/670794 ,, fstab - http://pastebin.com/670795 ,, messages - http://pastebin.com/670797
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06:20.00miki4liable: there is no kern.log from 2.6.15, only 2.4.27 and 2.6.8
06:20.24hrtpis ebay PST or EST?
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06:21.15dorelunstable: yeah there's also aptitude -vvv moo :)
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06:21.46Eclipseraptitude -vvvvv moo
06:21.52Eclipserthough apt-get moo is more amusing
06:22.00Spork_Boyyes!
06:22.14Spork_Boyopera quit bitchin' about java. bless you people and your wonderful robots!
06:22.16ircdevilgoogle calender looks promising ...
06:22.18dorel:)
06:22.27doreltotally ircdevil
06:23.14miki4liable: but while loading, 2.4.27 says that udev requires 2.6.12 kernel, and its not started
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06:25.06Azarremove udev?
06:25.12Talluircdevil: to be honest though, I'm starting to be afraid of google
06:25.40Eclipseras long as they keep their search page clean I'm happy with it
06:25.42liablemiki4: thats fine. inore it
06:25.45liableignore
06:25.49Eclipsergoogle that is
06:26.03AzarTallu: agree with you: use google for what is ment: search engine only
06:26.10miki4im pasting apr 20 kern.log
06:26.19miki4http://pastebin.com/670804
06:27.56ircdevilTallu: yeah, i once read some arthur c. clarke book, where he predicts (fiction) that the web will converge into a single mainframe ...
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06:29.15ircdevilTallu: anyway, all these years of screaming at M$ for not listining to the users, and it was kinda clear that something ala google - listining to popular demand - would arise, not?
06:29.53Talluircdevil: very much true
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06:30.27ircdevilTallu: so lets bork at google, just for the sake of it ! :o)
06:30.38miki4google is ceonsored
06:30.46ircdevil!lart google
06:30.48HelmutGDoes anyone have a good idea why every scp from a i386 testing host to a unstable amd64 host stops before transmitting the first byte?
06:31.00HelmutGSame accounts for netcat and tar.
06:31.19ircdevilmiki4: the world in cencored - blaming google is like killing the messenger
06:32.07ircdevilmiki4: the important part is that you and me, and everybody else realises this - and leans on china or whomever ...
06:32.12miki4google took prime in web searching cuz it was uncensored and it had new mechanism
06:32.19liablemiki4: i think your drive is recognised as a scsi device in 2.6.15. it is sata isnt it?
06:32.19miki4now mechanism is old and its censored
06:32.30ferrouswheelIf I have a package named libedje0 how do I tell other packages that it is the same as libedje?
06:32.35miki4liable: its normal IDE hdd
06:33.09valdyn-
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06:33.34Azarliable: I had same experience with a brand new PC in which I installed Debian for a friend: IDE HD but with SATA "capabilities" and SATA was enabled in the BIOS, I had to change that so I could install Debian
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06:33.42Sp4rKyhi guys
06:34.02Sp4rKyi'm trying use fbsplash swsusp2 over a 2.6.16.5 kernel
06:34.10Sp4rKyand i've got some issue
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06:35.38liableAzar: yeah, you can enable legacy pata to work around that. i found his model number, and its a plain old ide.
06:36.15Sp4rKythe /dev/fb0 file seems to not be created
06:36.52rjwiiiHi. Really, really simple Q: how do I install a local .deb file?
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06:37.09Azarrjwiii: what OS are you using?
06:37.13miki4dpkg -i
06:37.17jm_rjwiii: man dpkg
06:37.52miki4Azar: if its deb then im gessing that its some debian :)
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06:38.32Azarmiki4: he could try to install a .deb package on some other OS
06:38.49miki4windows lol
06:38.55Azarnot quite..
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06:39.45Azarwell his risk -- not come here later complain it does not work
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06:40.26liablemiki4: does your mouse work in 2.6.8?
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06:40.45ferrouswheelanyone have any idea why a package is saying it is broken, but the broken dependency is actually there?
06:40.52miki4liable: didnt had a chance to try, but im guessing that tis not, sience it wasnt detected
06:41.01miki4and ti is detected by 2.4.27 without any extra driver
06:41.47miki4USB in 2.6.8 is simply dead
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06:42.28miki4i tried pendrive, printer and oher things without any result, while 2.4.27 was detecting something
06:43.04liablemiki4: do the mkinitrd thing the suggest on this page.. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.rc/96457/focus=96457
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06:43.44liablemiki4: if you cant get the debian kernel to boot, you might wont to consider compiling a kernel.
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06:44.17miki4liable: i did exacly same thing already and i had modprobe errors and kernel panic, good that i backeu up image
06:44.25rjwiiiI am relativly new to Debian ... I assume that dpkg does not check and install dependancies?
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06:45.16Azarrjwiii: you can allways use   apt-get install <packagename> if that package is offered in the repository for your Debian distribution
06:45.17miki4liable: maybe i should use more options in mkinitrd? i did just as that guy wrote, only -o
06:45.45liablemiki4: i dont know bugger all about initrds..
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06:46.21brammatorhow to erase binary package when 1. dpkg --purge says 'needs to be reinstalled', and 2. postinst/postrm scripts are buggy and fails [re]installation
06:46.24brammator?
06:46.31Azarrjwiii: you can find if the package you need is offered by typing:  apt-cache search  < packagename >
06:46.39miki4liable: me neither, instead ok mkinitrd i was using make-kpkg --initrd to make kernel and initrd file for it
06:47.03Azarbrammator: apt-get remove --purge <package>
06:47.05liablemiki4: you have the 2.6.15 kernel source?
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06:47.20miki4liable: nope, and its too big for floppies
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06:47.44brammatorAzar the same problem as with 'dpkg --purge'
06:47.52miki4liable: actually i can try to download on NTFS and mount NTFS hdd, then coopy and install with dkpg
06:48.11jm_rjwiii: it does check dependencies
06:48.12rjwiiiAzar: I'm using 3.0 r1 ... it had Dillo 0.6.x ... I dl'd 0.8.x and used dpkg ... now Dillo won't run ...
06:48.35rjwiiiAzar: I'm on an old SS10 ... :-D
06:49.08Azarrjwiii: I do not know what dillo is, your Debian version I assume is Stable(Sarge) ?
06:49.12liablemiki4: ok, sec, i'll find out what drivers you need.
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06:49.39brammatortried dpkg -e + dpkg -x + edit scripts + dpkg-buildpackage.. no effect because that .deb is too stripped
06:50.00rjwiiiAzar: yes, stable. Dillo is a small GUI web browser ...
06:50.12Azarrjwiii: see if you can see your whatever Dillo is here: http://packages.debian.org/stable/
06:50.47Azarif it is, use     apt-get install Dillo
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06:51.13Azarif is not, it might be found on Testing/Etch if you want to upgrade
06:51.32Azarerrr, it "might" be on Etch
06:51.43Azargah, late..
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06:54.12miki4liable: i already build images in 2.4.27, but im not sure if packages are same for 2.6.15
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06:55.58liablemiki4: same priciple
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06:57.02charolastrahi
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06:58.15unstable!greet charolastra
06:58.15dpkgTag, charolastra
06:58.40charolastrajust started my computer in the morning and kdm suddenly doesn't want to start; the only stuff i have found about it is in daemon.log which says "X server "/usr/X11R6/bin/X" cannot be executed"
06:58.51charolastrakdm.log and other logs don't mention anythin
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06:59.40charolastrathe question is: where has /usr/X11R6/bin/X gone?
07:00.04unstablecharolastra: What version of debian? What kernel?
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07:00.19charolastrasid, 2.6.14
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07:00.27jm_so clueless, yet brave enough to use sid
07:00.29k-godHappy 4/20.
07:00.29unstablecharolastra: When is the last time you did apt-get dist-upgrade?
07:00.34unstable!tell charolastra about unstable
07:00.36miki4liable: wait, if i can remake initrd file
07:00.42charolastra....
07:00.58miki4liable: then maybe i should download 2.6.15-(something newer than 1)
07:01.00billybobhow do i let people ftp into me?
07:01.10miki4liable: sience that boot error shows only in 2.6.15-1
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07:01.25charolastrai know about enough about sid and it worked for me the last few years ....
07:01.28miki4liable: and jsut update 2.6.15-1 to something newer
07:01.35jm_yes, I see you know enough
07:02.01liablemiki4: get the latest 2.6.16 source from kernel.org
07:02.20miki4liable: 2.6.16 ?
07:02.25charolastrajm_: saying stuff like that does nothing exept stroking your elitist ego
07:02.31superlinuxhi all
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07:02.44liablecharolastra: /usr/share/doc/x11-common  read the news in there
07:02.58charolastrathanks
07:03.02liablemiki4: yeah, might as well get the newest
07:03.34miki4liable: how about instead of getting source, i will get kernel image, install it and then delete 2.6.15-1?
07:03.45AhewesHey, I found the answer to the SMART with SATA drives question I posted earlier.  Support for it (SMART+libata) in linux is quite broken, but - if put the SATA controller in "legacy mode" in the bios, SMART will be able to talk to it.
07:03.46jm_funny how you always end up being elitist when you point out the stupidity
07:04.15charolastrajm_: oh yes, i must be stupid ...
07:04.24jm_Ahewes: actually it isn't quite broken, 2.6.15 supports it, but it's not perfect
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07:04.31superlinuxhow can I force pppoe-server to allow only one connection for the same username from only one machine. I don't want to allow the same loginname to get in from two diffirent machines
07:04.42liablemiki4: get the source, i will tell you the few drivers you need to compile in, then you dont need an initrd
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07:05.39Armand99hello all
07:05.42miki4liable: could u give me link to source, then i cant find it
07:05.44Ahewesjm_ well, the patch doesn't compile in 2.6.16, so it seems it had a brief moment of clarity and has fallen into a fog.
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07:06.10jm_Ahewes: what patch?
07:06.24miki4liable: btw, that boot bug occurs almost only in 2.6.15-1, -2 seems to fix it
07:06.44Ahewesthere is a patch for libata to pass SMART ioctls in libata-dev
07:06.48fireba11"almost only" ^^
07:07.07liablemiki4: ok, try and get the -2 then..
07:07.18jm_I didn't need any patches in 2.6.15 ...
07:08.25miki4jm_: u had 2.6.15-1 or later?
07:08.37jm_miki4: I don't use Debian kernels
07:08.47Ahewesjm_ you know, I will take your word for it.  I haven't been following kernel development for years, so I don't know how things get into various kernels, but I know that I'm on 2.6.16 and can't move back.  Anyway, there is no downside to me for using SATA legacy mode on our IDE controllers.
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07:09.36miki4jm_: so ur using newest kernels+debian? do u need to recompile each one to use it?
07:09.45Ahewesjm_ with legacy mode I don't use libata, but I can't see any difference whatsoever in my case.  Since I only use two disks the limit of four disks total in legacy mode doesn't bother me.
07:10.05jm_Ahewes: ok, so when you have a chance, disable that and try smartctl -d ata ...
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07:10.16Ahewesjm_ I did try that.
07:10.43jm_miki4: no, I upgrade it every now and then, when I feel like it
07:11.06Ahewesjm_ I also took a look at the code to see if they were hiding a '-d libata' option on me ;).  No such luck.
07:11.12miki4jm_: interesting, but do u need to recompile it every time?
07:11.27jm_Ahewes: no, there's no such thing as -a sata/libata/wjatever, it works with -d ata
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07:11.47jm_miki4: well yes, since one can only get source code on kerne.org mirrors ;)
07:11.52jm_kernel.org
07:11.53multi_iodo the lvm2 packages work with a 2.4 kernel?
07:12.08jm_Ahewes: there's one downside to it - smartd doesn't have such a switch AFAIK
07:12.24Coder`TuXhi, i'm trying to install coppermine gallery on a server running debian sarge. can someone help me install/configure all it's requirements (http://coppermine-gallery.net/demo/cpg14x/docs/faq.htm#MinimumRequirements)
07:12.31miki4jm_: u see, my hardware aint linux-friendly and each time i upgrade kernel, im forced to manually fix half of my computer. also each time different driver/hardware parts are crazy :(
07:13.05Ahewesjm_ I'm operating with /dev/hda and /dev/hdc now.  I don't think smartd will need a switch.
07:13.14jm_Ahewes: sure, not now with legacy mode
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07:13.17Ahewesjm_ I haven't tried smartd yet.  I'll try and let you know.
07:13.28jm_miki4: I don't buy such hardware :)
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07:15.03liableok, gonna pull this laptop apart and add new bits. :)
07:15.05miki4jm_: its not even my computer, im my home i got epox mobo, nV vid card and ethernet modem :)
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07:15.39jm_miki4: yeah I have nvidia card too, but it's trivial to recompile the driver for it
07:17.17miki4jm_: i recompiled kernel like 7 times to get via agp + agpgart to work with ati card just to realize that 1) kernel is too old, 2) asus is anti-linux company and ati dont care about linux
07:18.17jm_miki4: I have managed to avoid ATI crap for 15 years now
07:18.27Coder`TuXmiki4, i have an asus mobo and it works just fine
07:18.34pageyI am selling my ati card
07:18.43pageygoing nvidia
07:18.44jm_miki4: and I don't see why Asus would be a problem
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07:19.36miki4jm_: i read article about asus policy towards linux and i realized that it will be always two steps behind other mobo's
07:19.41miki4in linux OS
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07:19.54jm_miki4: not quite, it will work just like any other board with the same chipset
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07:20.45mbillcan someone steer me to some reading material that would explain how to set up debian to read dos 3.1 floppys.
07:21.02billybobhey how can i start a new service?
07:21.03miki4jm_: but u can find something similar to windows via4in1 for linux(made by epox), nothing like that for asus
07:21.05jm_mbill: there's no magic involved, either mount it and use regular tools or use mtools
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07:22.07Coder`TuXmiki4, why are you comparing chipset manufactureres with motherboard manufacturers?
07:22.08mbilli am newbie and do not even know what is meant by regular tools...thats why i wanted to read up on it...
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07:22.22jm_cp, rm, file managers bla bla...
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07:23.24miki4Coder`TuX: i saw big packed file with script to auto detect and install things like integrated sound card on epox forums
07:23.34mbillare  you saying it will reaD DOS 3.1 WITHOUT TELLING IT TO DO A SPECIAL READ.
07:23.42jm_yes
07:23.51mbillOH
07:23.56mbillgrrr
07:23.59mbillcaps
07:24.03mbillsorry
07:24.20unstablembill: mount /media/floppy; cd /media/floppy; ls;
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07:24.52mbillthat doesnt look to hard
07:25.31mbillcan i format a dos 3.1 floppy to..need to format maybe 20 pcs
07:25.40NetBanditmorning
07:25.53jm_sure, man mformat ; man mkfs.msdos
07:26.24jm_always forget one can specify several man pages on the command line
07:26.24mbillhow does it know hwhat ver
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07:26.33jm_ver?
07:26.39mbilldos 3.1
07:26.50jm_it doesn't matter, it uses FAT12 for floppies
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07:28.15mbillok..let me study on that for awile...thanks for your help
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07:33.23sehuteHello. What can I do when I borked X by upgrading through apt?
07:33.35sehuteI've tried searching the web and reading the wiki
07:33.38jm_you could read the topic
07:33.50unstablesehute: What version of debian?
07:33.59sehuteunstable: unstable, on 64-bit
07:34.11unstable!tell sehute about unstable
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07:35.07Doctorheh how long does it take for stuff to go from unstable to stable?
07:35.33RizzerDoctor:  about two years
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07:35.39vultureDoctor: can take years between stable releases
07:35.40kartikDoctor, depends
07:36.00unstableDoctor: Things _never_ go from unstable to stable.
07:36.07RizzerDoctor:  perhaps you mean stable->testing?
07:36.19sehuteunstable: That wasn't very helpful
07:36.24Hamledhow long does it take for stuff to go from stable to unstable?
07:36.25unstableDoctor: stable(3.1) will never have any version upgrades...it will always have firefox 1.0.4 or whatever it is.
07:36.35unstableDoctor: stable(3.1) only gets security updates.
07:36.50unstableDoctor: Things will go from unstable(sid) to testing(etch, will be 3.2 when it releases)
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07:36.58Doctoroh I see
07:37.07unstableDoctor: And then etch will replace sarge(3.1/current-stable)
07:37.10Doctorso testing is better than unstable?
07:37.18Hamleddepends on what youw ant
07:37.24unstableDoctor: I don't know if I would use the words _better_
07:37.33Hamledit's more stable (or should be)
07:37.38unstableDoctor: For a production server, sarge is best. I would use sarge on an important server.
07:37.40sehuteDoctor: you have to choose between fresh and borked and old and stable, I guess
07:37.42Hamledbut it likely won't have as many packages
07:37.59unstableDoctor: Part of the reason it's so stable is because on no software changes(except security patches)
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07:38.15unstableDoctor: If you are using a desktop, I would recommend testing, or ubuntu.
07:38.18nkuttlerthere's still backports if you really need a newer package
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07:38.44Doctorah, well I'm using a mix of unstable and stable stuffs
07:38.50Hamledthe real question is how long it takes for stable to go to unstable :/
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07:38.54unstablesehute: no, testing is fine...that doesn't bork very often.
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07:39.03unstablesehute: You are using _unstable_ that is for developers.
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07:39.14HamledI use unstable because I am a daredevil!
07:39.18unstablesehute: Or people who know what they are doing.
07:39.25unstableOr people who just don't care if their system breaks.
07:39.30unstableLike you sehute
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07:40.19Doctorheh all I need to work is ssh, apache, firefox and Xvnc the rest is just fun
07:40.20sehuteunstable: Although it would be nice to blame all trouble with Debian on users that doesn't know or care, that's not the case
07:40.40sehuteunstable: I agree that I don't know enough about Debian to make my system work the way I want right now
07:40.53TraceGreenHello, I try to boot system, but there is nothing in /dev, anyone know why?
07:41.07miki4anyone can tell me if this is good command to compile kernel? make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg -I/usr/src/linux/include --initrd kernel_image
07:41.21unstableTraceGreen: What version of debian, what kernel, when s the last time you did dist-upgrade and what did you do?
07:41.26RizzerDoctor:  unstable is living up to its name at the moment, as we're radically change the way X11 is organised
07:41.26unstable!tell TraceGreen about ask
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07:41.47unstableDoctor: I would go with testing if I were you.
07:41.50unstable!tell Doctor about d-i
07:42.00sehuteunstable: Wether I use stable, testing or unstable depends on what's in /etc/apt/sources.list at the moment, and if apt-get dist-upgrade or equivalent has ben run, right? Or have I misunderstood this too.
07:42.17unstablesehute: right
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07:42.24TraceGreenunstable, thanks! actually, i just copy Debian-2.6.11-1-686 to a livecd as livecd's kernel.
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07:42.42unstablesehute: You can't downgrade form unstable to sarge, or testing to sarge, or unstable to testing.
07:42.47unstableYou can really only upgrade.
07:42.57sehuteunstable: so, I don't usually run unstable, but I do now, in order to fix X
07:43.04unstableSo if you dist-upgrade to unstable, then change your sources.list to stable, a dist-upgrade won't matter.
07:43.21sehuteunstable: I believe it was "etch" I had in sources.list, previously
07:43.21unstabletechnically you can downgrade, but it's a horrible horibble pain in the ass, and obnoxious to do.
07:43.49sehuteunstable: so, in other words, I'm relatively stuck in unstable now? :)
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07:44.20Bam_112I have a question & hope this is the right place to ask.
07:44.24Doctorheh well when I need to upgrade X11 I'll come in here and ask if unstable is stableish :)
07:44.30unstable!tell Bam_112 about ask
07:44.31Bam_112I recently did a D-U on my sid box & after much tweaking & gooling I got xorg 7.0 running fine.
07:44.40Bam_112except for one problem..when I try to compile programs from source I can't get past ./configure..
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07:44.50Bam_112it fails out saying it can't find my X includes
07:45.00Doctorif it blows up real bad I just start over with debootstrap
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07:45.06unstableBam_112: Are you trying to use the proprietary ati/nvidia drivers?
07:45.12Bam_112does anyone know what I missed & how I can fix it?
07:45.21Bam_112yup..prop nvidia
07:45.22unstableBam_112: apt-get install x-dev?
07:45.23sehuteunstable: Would you please tell me the obnoxious steps of downgrading X? :)
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07:46.40unstablesehute: What is your X error?
07:46.52JeffHare there any windows based tools to monitor logs on a linux box?
07:46.57unstable!tell sehute about logs
07:46.59miki4where from i cna get libc6-dev ?
07:47.12avtobiffteh interweb
07:47.16Bam_112thanks unstabe, but that didn't work
07:47.23unstablemiki4: apt-get install libc6-dev
07:47.33Bam_112I also have xserver-xorg-dev & xorg-dev installed
07:47.43jm_JeffH: yes
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07:48.11unstableBam_112: apt-get install xorg-dev
07:48.12sepJeffH, use logreport, and read the logs on any email client (including windows ones) or use putty the windows ssh client and login to your linux to read logs there
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07:48.29unstableBam_112: apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev
07:48.48unstablesehute: put /var/log/Xorg.0.log on www.rafb.net/paste
07:48.52sehuteunstable: X isn't installed, and I'm unable to install it, so there aren't any logs to show
07:49.11unstablesehute: What happens when you apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xorg
07:49.23JeffHsep: not really what I was looking for.. but ooh well.
07:49.24miki4unstable: im on windows now, and i cant use apt-get cuz i dont have net in linux, i will install with dpkg...
07:49.38miki4unstable: so i need link to package
07:50.07unstableJeffH: I'm sure there are many programs that do what you wan.t
07:50.10sehuteunstable: a screenfull of "but is not going to be installed"-messages
07:50.13unstableYou just have to fish around for them.
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07:50.34unstablesehute: Put that all on www.rafb.net/paste
07:50.40JeffHhow crazy would I be if I decided to run my production server using testing?
07:50.44Bam_112thanks...I was on the debian x irc at the same time & vorlon solved it for me...it was libxt-dev
07:50.57sehuteunstable: I don't know how to cut'n'paste text without X
07:51.43sepJeffH, not crazy if you have the time and knowledge to keep it maintained properly. but it takes a lot more vigilance and manpower then to run stable
07:51.45unstableJeffH: not that crazy, I'm sure people do it.
07:51.48sehuteunstable: I'm locked in textmode here :)
07:51.52tmg1|archimedesdo you have to restart xorg or something to get it to see a newly edited xorg.conf?
07:52.04foobarbazwhat is the dpkg factoid about making a new md5sum of my X config?
07:52.15unstablesehute: apt-get install gpm elinks
07:52.34unstablesehute: Then use your mouse in text mode and copy the text, then start elinks and dump it in with 3rd mouse button
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07:53.36unstablefoobarbaz: What version of X?
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07:53.49sehuteunstable: thank you, I'll try it :)
07:53.56miki4jm_: i got question related to non-debian kernels from kernel.org, it seems that they dont have -386, -686, -k7, etc at end of them while ones on apt-sources got.
07:53.57foobarbazunstable: xorg
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07:54.32miki4jm_: do i need to set my CPU manually in menuconfig ?
07:54.43jm_miki4: yes
07:54.53foobarbazunstable: i do not need docs about xorg, though
07:54.54unstablefoobarbaz: If I recall correctly, you don't need to worry about md5 with xorg, only if you use sarge/xfree
07:55.10foobarbazxserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has been customized
07:55.16foobarbaz;)
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07:55.36foobarbazunstable: apperntly, you need to do it with xorg on unstabel, too ;)
07:55.43unstablefoobarbaz: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf I bet the answer is in there.
07:55.47miki4jm_: is there alot of things to change menuconfig(not only CPU)?
07:56.10sehuteunstable: there.http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ImtYA652.html (1/2)
07:56.11foobarbazthing is, i did not customize it, just open it once in vim (dunno if i saved upon quitting) and with konqueror once
07:56.13unstablefoobarbaz: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep md5sum
07:56.16miki4jm_: to install it on debian, so they will look similar to debian kernels
07:56.22sehuteunstable: there: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ImtYA652.html
07:56.32foobarbazoh, cool!
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07:57.40billybobhow do i turn off pure-ftpd? its not in system manager
07:57.52jm_miki4: there's shitloads to change if you want it to be like Debian kernel, but then there's little point in using custom kernel
07:57.53unstablesehute: unstable/i386?
07:58.00Gumbybillybob: /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd stop probably
07:58.13foobarbazthough the thing has the wrong location, in the file
07:58.16sehuteunstable: deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/debian-amd64/debian unstable main contrib
07:58.18unstablebillybob: update-rc.d -f proftpd remove
07:58.41unstablebillybob: /etc/init.d/proftpd stop
07:58.46jm_sehute: did you read about changes to AMD64 port announced in DWN?
07:58.48billybobgumby: thanks
07:58.52sehuteunstable: not i386, 64-bity
07:58.56billybobunstable: thanks
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07:59.06sehuteunstable: *bit
07:59.21Gumbyunstable: that would have been great had he have wanted to stop/remove proftpd
07:59.27sehutejm_: No, I don't even know what DWN is
07:59.38jm_sehute: /msg dpkg dwn
08:00.02billybobgumby, it stopped it but its still running?
08:00.17Gumbybillybob: it shouldnt be.  ps aux |grep pure
08:00.17miki4jm_: and file patch-2.6.x-y.gz is for what?
08:00.42billybobGumby, thanks
08:00.45Gumbybillybob: netstat -tpan |grep 21 (or the port you set it to listen on)  to see if its listening
08:00.46jm_miki4: that's for upgrades against latest Linus released kernel (mostly security fixes)
08:00.48sehutejm_: Should I read the entire DWN in order to fix X?
08:00.50unstablesehute: apt-get clean; apt-get -d install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg x-window-system-core xserver-xorg-video; cd /var/cache/apt/archives; dpkg -i --force-all *deb;
08:01.05sehuteunstable: thank you so much, I'll try it right now
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08:01.09jm_sehute: I mentioned changes to AMD64 port, not X
08:01.13unstablesehute: This might not work at all, and might make things worse. etc etc <insert disclaimer)
08:01.18unstablesehute: This is what I would do though.
08:01.37billybobGumby, alirghty thanks
08:01.42snailI've written a piece about using backports.org (a beginners guide) anyone care to check it for ovious errors? http://connect.educause.edu/node/2262
08:01.56Coder`TuXhi, i vase some b0rken dependencies in debian sarge, can someone help me fix them? http://pastebin.com/670894
08:02.06unstable!tell snail about wiki
08:02.40jm_Coder`TuX: where are you getting php 4.4 from?
08:02.43unstablesnail: Add your guide to the wiki, snail your guide is 10x more useful if people are able to access it more easily. ie a central location like the wiki.
08:03.13unstablesnail: The wiki  already has a huge userbase, so people will see your guide very often. But on your website, it won't get nearly as much activity.
08:03.14Coder`TuXjm_, erm, apt-get? what do you mean?
08:03.22jm_Coder`TuX: no, apt-cache policy php4-common
08:04.20Coder`TuXhttp://pastebin.com/670897
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08:05.04jm_well you have installed 4.4 at some point
08:05.19Coder`TuXi guess so.. :-s
08:05.31Coder`TuXo'm not a apache/php/whatever expert
08:06.14billybobGumby, i killed the processes but it keeps starting up when accessed
08:06.46unstable!tell snail about wiki
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08:07.47Gumbybillybob: how did you originally start it?
08:07.57dan_hey everybody
08:08.11billybobGumby, it ran when i did apt-get install pure-ftpd
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08:08.37Gumbybillybob: ls /etc/init.d/pure* whats the output of that?
08:08.41dan_i have the xutils package installed, but it doesnt seem to have installed scanpci... i know theres a listed bug about this problem, but i dont know how to sort it
08:08.55sehuteunstable: it didn't work out, unfortunately: http://rafb.net/paste/results/2YblQa43.html
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08:09.03dan_is there another way to install scanpci?
08:09.16billybobGumby, /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd
08:09.22jm_Coder`TuX: well you could force installing lower version, use this as a good indication why mixing repositories leads to problems
08:09.30Gumbybillybob: and you already did /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd stop ?
08:09.53billybobGumby, yeah but i can still connect
08:10.07billybobGumby, and the processes are still goin
08:10.17Coder`TuXjm_, ok, so should i remove ftp.lug.ro from sources.list?
08:10.23Gumbybillybob: not sure then sorry
08:10.39jm_Coder`TuX: definitely not
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08:11.05unstablesehute: That isn't the full log.
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08:11.11Coder`TuXthen.... ?
08:11.12billybobGumby, alright thanks tho
08:11.15unstablesehute: Did it download packages?
08:11.46ndeehello there, my mom wants to backup some of her pictures etc. Would you guys recommend a NAS drive?
08:12.02sehuteunstable: it really is the full log, I just separated stdout and stderr
08:12.02tmg1|archimedesunstable: I noticed that my xorg.conf file suggests for me to cat to /var/lib/xfree86, shouldn't this be /var/lib/x11?
08:12.18sehuteunstable: It didn't download any packages
08:13.15unstablesehute: manually download the packages then, and do dpkg -i --force-all *deb
08:14.08sehuteunstable: thank you
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08:17.21sehutehey, console ain't that bad. Perhaps I should just switch to screen, gpm and the likes
08:18.02tbfs/is/as/
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08:18.47Gneatbf: what do the security sites have to say about it?
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08:19.20The_Ball!java
08:19.21dpkgit has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>.
08:19.27tbfGnea: phpbb in generall? crackers like to attack it ;-)
08:19.41The_Ball!install java
08:19.41dpkgfrom memory, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine".  if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package>.
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08:20.04tbfGnea: about the heavily patched melange debian delivers? don't know :-D
08:20.14foobarbazby the way, i s anyone aware of problems with the nvidia kernel module for 2.6.26 on unstable?
08:20.20Dewihmm. The australian mirror, http://ftp.au.debian.org/, seems to be full of 302 redirects, which seems to work okay with apt-get and aptitude, but not at all with apt-file.
08:20.25DewiI wonder which is considered the bug.
08:20.44foobarbazDewi: probably both
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08:21.44jvwtbf: there are no known bugs in sarge's phpbb2 version, any issue that came up since the release has been patched
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08:22.47tbfjvw: quite stressful job, i guess ;-)
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08:25.27jvwtbf: there's more noise than actual real issues, and people tend to file bugs about any issues too, so it's quite doable
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08:27.21rohanhi all
08:27.25tbfjvw: :-)
08:27.49rohanlocales is still now working on deb sid, though they say the bug is fixed -- *** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings:
08:27.51sehuteAre there any working alternatives to X?
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08:28.08tbfbtw: is there a way for cherry-picking single packages from testing _and_ keep them up-to-date automatically?
08:28.10rohanis it my own problem, or a known problem on sid? and can someone please check ?
08:28.14rohansehute: qingy
08:28.25sehuterohan: thank's I'll take a look
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08:30.20jvwtbf: /etc/apt/preferences -- google for 'apt pinning'
08:30.29jvwis in one of the manpages of apt
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08:31.50sehuterohan: hey, doesn't seem all that bad. Have you tried it?
08:32.11tbfjvw: sounds good. thank's alot :-)
08:32.50tbfalready feared i'd have to manually build my private sub-repository
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08:34.09sehuteif I wish to reinstall debian, what's easy to forget? xorg.conf? what else? :)
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08:34.29azeemsehute: to forget in what way?
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08:34.45sehuteazeem: forget to copy or take note of, that's not in /home
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08:35.07jm_at least /etc and debconf data comes to mind
08:35.08Dwonissehute: dpkg --get-selections, your debconf settings, basically anything in /etc
08:35.38sehutethanks
08:35.42Dwonissehute: personally, I'd keep a backup of everything except /usr
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08:35.54jm_or /lib /bin
08:35.56sehuteDwonis: even /lib and such?
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08:36.14bobyfixerjust backup home and var
08:36.17jm_and /usr/local might be needed too
08:36.20Dwonissehute: hmm... I don't _think_ so, but I dunno.
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08:36.47bobyfixermake sure to backup the swap partition :)
08:36.52sehutebobyfixer: ;)
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08:37.05sehutejm_: thanks, easy to forget
08:37.11Dwonis<PROTECTED>
08:37.21Dwonis<PROTECTED>
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08:37.28sehuteDwonis: that's a bit overkill for me, but thanks :)
08:37.42Dwonissehute: it's easier if you know what you changed :)
08:37.59sehutehard to remember, unless you write it down
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08:38.31bobyfixerwe got a 66er
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08:40.05bobyfixerany one went to FUDcon ?
08:40.20tmg1|archimedessehute:
08:40.33Gneabobyfixer: are you trying to be funny?
08:40.36tmg1|archimedesI just experienced something like that...can't...quite think of it
08:41.14bobyfixeryes im such a smart ass
08:41.16DwonisFUDcon?
08:41.26Gneayou suck
08:41.48tmg1|archimedessehute: gdm.conf ?
08:41.53tmg1|archimedesif you use gnome of course
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08:42.01Dwoniswtf... FUDcon is an actual conference... and it's not about compatting FUD
08:42.14bobyfixerits ere red8 beefsup the Fear Uncertainty and doubt tr0ls
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08:42.54azeembobyfixer: what does fedora have to do with #debian?
08:42.55Gneadude, there's no paint left anywhere because you sucked it all off
08:43.04Dwonis!1337
08:43.05dpkg1337 is lamer talk for cool,, or shitkitty talk, or http://www.googlism.com/where_is/1/1337/
08:43.11Gneabobyfixer: and it's offtopic
08:43.14Gnea!offtopic
08:43.27Gneaoh look, there's nothing on that...hrmmm
08:43.27bobyfixer!list
08:43.27dpkgone warez list being sent to bobyfixer@is.a.fucktard.com
08:43.29azeemI think we all know what offtopic is
08:43.39azeembobyfixer: please stop abusing the bot
08:43.40azeemor /msg it
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08:44.52cybermikeWhat is the correct thing to do when debian netinstall dosnt finds my nic and my sata controller?
08:45.03azeemcybermike: did you try linux26?
08:45.08azeemat the boot prompt I mean
08:45.11Gneacybermike: boot with a 2.6 kernel
08:45.33cybermikeis that on the ordinary netinstall cd?
08:45.39Gneayes
08:45.58nowecWhat do I need to do in order to update my Debian system?
08:46.07bobyfixerknow for an ontopic question
08:46.23azeemnowec: run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade from time to time
08:46.31bobyfixerdo you think judas gospeel if a fake ?
08:46.38Gneabobyfixer: ask the bot using the following command: /q what is ontopic?
08:46.39Dwonisanyone know the correct way to make the bot return a factoid in its raw form?  I tried :INFOBOT:QUERY, but that seems to also add me to the %bots list, which prevents me from doing certain updates
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08:46.57azeembobyfixer: you have been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic
08:47.05nowecazeem: is it usual that it messes up your system? how much do you usually have to reconfigure?
08:47.06sehuteis FreeBSD any good?
08:47.09azeemplease reconsider how you can be an assert to this channel
08:47.14jm_Dwonis: what raw form?
08:47.18azeemnowec: are you running stable?
08:47.24cybermikeshould debian have any problem with 250gb sata disks?
08:47.33Gneacybermike: nope
08:47.40nowecazeem: it was a few months since I installed, but I think so
08:47.43tbfsehute: nice architecture but lack of drivers as it is not as "mainstream" as linux
08:47.51azeemnowec: so do you have any issues?
08:47.56cybermikethe 2.6 kernel dosnt find either the controller nor the nic
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08:47.57azeemor was that a theoretical question?
08:48.02nowecazeem: no, just wanted to update my system
08:48.17jm_cybermike: then use a netinst CD with newer kernel
08:48.27azeemnowec: if you *don't* set your /etc/apt/sources.list to testing or unstable, you should just get the security updates
08:48.27nowecazeem: it was theoretical
08:48.28Gneacybermike: what controller and what nic?
08:48.30azeemwhich are fine
08:48.30sehutetbf: I've got that impression too. Always been a bit curious about it, though
08:48.39Dwonisjm_: like cmd: smite (.*?) =is=> ($1): <action> smites $1 with a plague of (characters from an unknown locale|frogs|...)
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08:48.47jm_Dwonis: literal
08:48.47cybermikethis is from Jan 05 , i downloaded it yesterday figured to me to be the most recent one
08:48.58cybermikeGnea: nforce 410 mcp
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08:49.16Gneacybermike: what's the motherboard make/model?
08:49.19Dwonisjm_: thanks
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08:49.21tbfsehute: kind of sad, that bsd's legal wars opened the gap for linux as i believe freebsd would have been a much better kernel than linux. but now free are stuck with the kernel of that finnish lunatic ;-)
08:49.30cybermikeGnea: asus a8n/vm
08:49.42nowecazeem: I have deb "http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian/ unstable main" in /etc/apt/sources.list
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08:49.49azeemnowec: eh...
08:49.55sehutetbf: heh ;)
08:50.00azeemnowec: why did you set it to unstable?
08:50.00tbfsehute: well, and also wonder if its liberal license doesn't hold back potential contributors
08:50.16azeemtbf, sehute: please consider to continue this discussion elsewhere
08:50.20nowecazeem: I don't think I set it... I just installed from the live-cd afaik
08:50.22cybermikeits an ia64 motherboard, could it be that the drivers for these devices are only present on the ia64 install cds?
08:50.26azeemnowec: live-cd?
08:50.32azeemnowec: Debian has no live-cd
08:50.43azeemcybermike: it's likely an amd64 motherboard
08:50.50sehuteazeem: oh sorry, forgot that this was the grumpy channel ;)
08:50.56cybermikeazeem: yes it is
08:50.57azeemsehute: it's the support channel
08:51.06sehuteazeem: okok :)
08:51.07nowecazeem: my bad... anyway, I don't think I installed any unstable version
08:51.23azeemnowec: then rethink how you want to use Debian
08:51.26cybermikeazeem: so should i try to locate a more recent 32bit install or a 64bit installer?
08:51.47azeemcybermike: there's a 2.6.15 backport for sarge, and the etch beta2
08:51.51azeemyou can try either
08:51.54nowecazeem: I'm confused now... hehe
08:52.01cybermikeazeem: where can i download that?
08:52.03azeemdepending on how stable the system is supposed to be
08:52.03tbfwondering if sarge accepts patches just adding missing translation strings
08:52.04Gneacybermike: wait, it's an ia64 or an EM64T?
08:52.07azeem!sid 2.6.15
08:52.09azeemblah
08:52.12azeemcybermike: google
08:52.13cybermikeGnea: amd64
08:52.18azeemkmuto is also a good keyword
08:52.20nowecazeem: it's a server, so I want it stable
08:52.23cybermikeazeem: and i should search for what?
08:52.24Gneacybermike: ok, that's not ia64
08:52.28azeemnowec: then better reinstall
08:52.30jm_there's also 2.6.15 for amd64
08:52.37nowecazeem: did you get my priv msg?
08:52.39Gnea!amd64
08:52.40dpkgfrom memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq.  Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64
08:52.58miki4jm_: is it good to load old kernel config(like 2.6.8), where USB was 'disabled', or its better to make one from scratch?
08:53.09azeemnowec: please do not privmsg people in here, instead paste to a pastebin
08:53.10miki4jm_: when im making new non-debian config
08:53.11azeem!paster
08:53.11dpkgInstead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away.
08:53.21nowecazeem: true, sorry
08:53.29azeemnowec: what does dpkg -l libc0.3 | tail -1 say?
08:53.34azeemthe version, I mean
08:53.38cybermikeGnea: so you advice me to try a 64bit installation?
08:53.38azeemeh
08:53.40azeemoh man
08:53.45azeemnowec: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say?
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08:53.51Gneacybermike: of course
08:53.54nowecazeem: un  libc0.3        <none>         (no description available)
08:53.58jm_miki4: if it's a big version change (say from .8 to .16), then I go from scratch, otherwise it's OK to use the old one
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08:54.02Gneacybermike: worked fine here
08:54.15azeemnowec: sorry, it's libc6
08:54.48streunerazeem: testing and unstable have the same libc6..
08:54.49nowecazeem: ii  libc6          2.3.5-4        GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
08:54.54azeemstreuner: I know
08:54.55cybermikehttp://amd64.debian.net/   <- shouldnt there be iso's somewhere there?
08:55.09ifvoidcybermike: why do you need iso's?
08:55.13Gneathey're actually in the same place
08:55.15azeemstreuner: but nowec is running some bastardized-installed-from-live-cd Debian
08:55.18miki4jm_: aight
08:55.22azeemnowec: that's somewhere in between
08:55.27Gnea!iso
08:55.27dpkgiso is, like, a cd-image.  CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image"
08:55.28nowecazeem: hmmm
08:55.30cybermikeifvoid: i need something to boot my system from
08:55.31azeemnowec: really, I recommend reinstalling if this is going to be a server
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08:55.39Xtevenhas someone noticed how the locales package in sarge is broken ? on new installations
08:55.54azeemXteven: broken in what way?
08:56.01nowecazeem: ok, thanks a lot... don't know when/if I'll have time for that atm... but I'll keep it in mind
08:56.04liableXteven: i would imagine there would be a bug if it was.
08:56.13azeemnowec: well, or just don't upgrade
08:56.18nowecazeem: should I run update, or upgrade, first?
08:56.19azeemor don't run dist-upgrade at least
08:56.19ifvoidcybermike: get the netinst cd here: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/amd64/
08:56.26azeemnowec: but you won't get security support that way
08:56.31cybermikeifvoid: thanks
08:56.33RichiHwhere does module-assistant keep its log files? neither locate nor the various docs could tell me
08:56.39yageI'd like to be notified by email when my server need to be upgraded is that possible?
08:56.40Xtevenazeem : http://www.singularity.be/Trashcan/locales-error.png
08:56.40azeemnowec: update refreshes the list of packages, you need to run it first
08:56.43RichiHand when i google for it, it just tells me 'read the log'
08:56.47nowecazeem: what happens if I use it as it is now, and run both update and upgrade?
08:56.56Xtevenit's a fresh install in vmware
08:56.56Gneaoops, it's not in the same place
08:56.59RichiHof course, it would help if m-a would not just scroll by any warnings and errors
08:57.09azeemnowec: you might run into unstable breakage
08:57.13miki4jm_: is there any FAQ/HOWTO on those config options inside kernel?
08:57.19ifvoidRichiH: install cron-apt
08:57.32azeemnowec: and you won't get the official security support
08:57.33nowecazeem: is it possible to just download stable updates for my current system?
08:57.50RichiHifvoid: what would i want with that?
08:57.50azeemnowec: no, because they likely have a smaller version than what is currently installed
08:58.02azeemso apt-get won't install them
08:58.17ifvoidRichiH: uh sorry
08:58.23ifvoidRichiH: that ws meant for yage
08:58.33azeemRichiH: strace it :)
08:58.35yageifvoid, read that, tnx .)
08:58.46RichiHifvoid: my problem is that this pc i have to use has a nvidia card and i need to get dualhead working. thus, i need the correct module. the one-liner installed some faulty version, never showed any warning for longer than 0.1 seconds and now my X does not work at all
08:58.52tarzeau!qotd0
08:58.52dpkgi heard qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off
08:58.54RichiHmood-o-meter: pissed
08:59.07myreni'm tring to set some weird shit in fstab, but not sure how to: mount //mysystem/myshare /mnt smbfs -o username=joe,sockopt="IPTOS_LOWDELAY TCP_NODELAY SND_BUF=8192"
08:59.17myrenhow do i actually set the sockopts, that syntax above is bunk
08:59.23RichiHazeem: or beat whoever did not put the log in a useful place with a shovel
08:59.36ifvoidRichiH: sorry, bo idea, I don't use nvidia
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08:59.44RichiHugh
08:59.46ifvoidRichiH: X logs are in /var/log/ though
08:59.58nowecazeem: I'm getting errors when I run apt-get update: "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY"
09:00.03RichiHifvoid: yah, they are pretty much useless
09:00.06tombshi all
09:00.09ifvoidXorg.0.log or XFreesomething.log, depending on your version
09:00.10streunertarzeau: :-)
09:00.12cybermikeGnea: do you know if vmware or other i386 binary programs will run on this?
09:00.14ifvoidRichiH: their are not
09:00.17RichiH/var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source.buildlog*
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09:00.21ifvoidall the errors should be in there
09:00.24jm_miki4: most of them have short description available
09:00.26Gneacybermike: if you emulate a 32bit environment
09:00.27RichiHmodass? great if you need to look for stuff
09:00.41ifvoidRichiH: oh, the kernel module you mean?
09:00.48ifvoidRichiH: try modules-assistent -t
09:00.50saloxinhow do i query a nfs server for available exports?
09:00.50RichiHifvoid: yah. they are that the module was incorrectly built
09:00.56cybermikeGnea: the primary purpose of this system is to run vmware, will i then benefit anythin from a 64 bit os?
09:01.00ifvoidthe stupid dialog frontend is pretty useless
09:01.05jm_saloxin: showmount
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09:01.30Gneacybermike: it's a 64bit system, so why not? yeah, it's faster, and vmware does support that
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09:01.46saloxinjm_: beautiful, thanks
09:01.57cybermikegreat...but im still courius if i will get this sata controller to work...
09:03.02RichiHhow can i see what gcc was used to build my kernel et al again?
09:03.12streunercat /proc/version
09:03.54Gneait would be nice if asus actually supported it
09:04.32cybermikeGnea: its nvidia...as far as i know it should be supported
09:04.53RichiHstreuner: ah, yah
09:05.05Gneacybermike: and yet, the link does not exist on asus.com
09:05.13ifvoidcybermike: nforce4?
09:05.19cybermikeifvoid: yea
09:05.25ifvoidworks like a charm
09:05.33ifvoiddriver is in the vanilla kernel
09:05.45cybermikeifvoid: what vanilla kernel?
09:05.49ifvoiduh
09:05.50TraceGreenHello, does anyone use ndevfs?
09:05.55ifvoidlemme check
09:05.55RichiH!anyone
09:05.56dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:06.04cybermikeifvoid: my netinst cd dosnt finds the sata driver there
09:06.05ifvoidcybermike: (have to boot my other machine)
09:06.18cybermikeokay thanks
09:06.21ifvoidcybermike: yeah, you probably need a recent kernel
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09:06.44TraceGreenok, dpkg i try to patch ndevfs to debian kernel 2.6.11-1-686, i can not patch on it.
09:06.45cybermikeifvoid: right now im trying this 64bit cd Gnea pointed me towards
09:06.49jm_cybermike: like I said, get a newer kernel ...
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09:07.06ifvoidcybermike: you want to install debian onto this sata disk?
09:07.17cybermikejm_: good advice but i have no idea where to get that, this iso is the newest on my mirror
09:07.22cybermikeifvoid: yes
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09:07.30jm_cybermike: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15
09:07.45liablecybermike: can you set it to legacy pata in bios?
09:07.46prphello, i would like to make a raid, do i have to buy an identical Harddisk ? because i can't find anything in stock identical to mine in local stores... what should i do ?
09:08.00cybermikeliable: havent checked
09:08.02ifvoidcybermike: then you'll probably need to use the beta installer
09:08.10ifvoidhttp://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- one of those
09:08.19ifvoidthey use a more recent kernel than the oddicial sarge images
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09:08.44cybermikecan i still install a stable system using that?
09:10.01azeemno
09:10.04azeemeh, or maybe
09:10.09azeemhttp://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ <- try that
09:10.26liable45 bucks for a stinkin bluetooth antenna :(
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09:11.04Usiuhi
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09:11.15UsiuI have a problemw with xorg debian packages http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/scfu3H57.html
09:11.17Usiuany help ?
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09:11.19prphello, i would like to make a raid, do i have to buy an identical Harddisk ? because i can't find anything in stock identical to mine in local stores... what should i do ?
09:11.27tarzeauUsiu: hello
09:11.37tarzeauprp: can you stop repeating?
09:11.38liableprp: no you dont need identical disks
09:11.45Usiutarzeau, hi
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09:13.05Usiutarzeau, brb
09:13.07Mannyhi
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09:13.30liableprp: heres a bit of a howto for you  http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm
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09:14.16Usiutarzeau, ok I am back
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09:14.36Usiutarzeau, can You help me ?
09:14.52MannyI'm trying to build a meta package, but my debian/rules file doesn't seem to be suitable/sufficient. ATM debian/rules is empty, I probably have to invoke some command to build debian/files, though.
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09:15.05tarzeauUsiu: no
09:15.25liableaww, go on.
09:16.02azeemManny: probably easiest is to build-depend on cdbs and just add `include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk' after the #!/usr/bin/make -f
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09:18.07kevixManny: are you aware of the debian-mentors  mailing list?
09:18.18Mannykevix, no
09:18.28kevix!info mentors
09:18.35azeeminfo?
09:18.45azeemisn't that just for packages?
09:18.46tarzeauManny: which metapackage is that?
09:18.47azeem!info libc6
09:18.52dpkglibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-7 (sid), Packaged size: 4613 kB, Installed size: 10920 kB
09:19.07kevixManny: its a mailing list and web site for helping folks learn about making debian packages
09:19.29azeempeople can still ask those questions in here
09:19.35Mannytarzeau, gnome-accessibility-foo
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09:20.11kevixazeem: certaily, but is it not good to make folks aware of other places?
09:20.14tarzeauManny: why are you building that?
09:20.17azeemsure
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09:20.27tarzeauManny: you create it or just build the src package?
09:20.32Mannytarzeau, because I want to make an a11y live cd and want to make my life easier with the creation of meta packages
09:20.34MannyI create it
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09:20.44ankurHello friends. how to change the MIME type of file
09:20.57ifvoiduh
09:21.06kevixazeem: if debian is to get folks to become DD's, going to d-mentors seems to be a good first step.
09:21.07ifvoidwhat d you mean, exactly?
09:21.10Mannyankur, how is the MIME type detected?
09:21.27ifvoidDwonis: hehe
09:21.31ArtistAgentthanks tarzeau
09:21.41tarzeauArtistAgent: yw
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09:22.03MannyI also think many impaired people will profit from meta packages. I have gnome-accessibility-visual, which will help the visually impaired etc.
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09:22.12IceToxbrb.. reboot of network...
09:22.16prpliable: thanx
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09:22.38Mannyso they won't have to poke around with package names like "gnopernicus" and the installation can be simplified
09:22.46ankuri want to put startup rc script for squid in /etc/init.d/  but when i copyied to init.d. the MIME type is text/plain instead of application/x-shellscript
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09:23.17Mannyazeem, only the first package in debian/control seems to be built
09:23.18ankurthats why i cannot able to execurte /etc/init.d/squid start.
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09:23.21tmg1|archimedessince the upgrade to xorg X11R7 neither of the three video drivers given as options works off the cuff (no screens found), and I can't seem to tell convince xorg to just use vga, either.  Everything worked fine before the xorg upgrade (I found a site on google that discusses this but it was in russian or something(and accidentally closed the tab)), is this a bug (or is it in some way dependant on an existing bug which I
09:23.23azeemankur: the init system doesn't care about mime type
09:23.24azeems
09:23.39azeemManny: can you paste the control somewhere?
09:23.51azeemManny: are you using cdbs now?
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09:23.57Mannyazeem, yes
09:24.07tmg1|archimedesDwonis: have you sorted through this yet?
09:24.14ankurazeem : than why i didnt able to run " /etc/init.d/squid start" command
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09:24.24azeemankur: make it executable
09:24.25Dwonistmg1|archimedes: no, I'm probably going to wait until xorg7 moves into testing
09:24.30tmg1|archimedesgood plan ;)
09:24.44ankurazeem : I think thats what i want.. How can i ?
09:24.56azeemankur: man chmod
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09:25.15liableankur: doent the squid package do all this for you?
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09:26.00ankurNo. i have installed it in other directory.
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09:26.21Xtevenwhich file generates locale.gen ?
09:26.26Xtevenor which package even
09:26.32Xteven<PROTECTED>
09:26.38DwonisXteven: package: locales, command: localegen, I think
09:27.07kevixXteven: have you tried  'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
09:27.09DwonisXteven: my mistake, locale.gen is _used_ by localegen.  "dpkg-reconfigure locales" configures it
09:27.24XtevenDwonis : I'll look into it
09:27.29Mannyazeem, http://rafb.net/paste/results/vNymTo27.html
09:27.42Xtevenkevix : no :) the locales package won't install when I install debian
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09:28.03testoshi, some bash scripting help please, how can  i  get a comma delimeted list instead of a list with each on a newline, something like in ::
09:28.05testoswhile read line;echo $line >>hostnames; done < test.txt
09:28.34azeemManny: you should add an Architecture: field to all the packages I think
09:28.41azeemManny: and use 'all' rather than 'any'
09:28.57DwonisXteven: what do you mean, it won't install?  It's in the _base_ section... it _better_ install
09:28.58azeemthe former means binary-independent, the latter means 'can be build on any architecture'
09:28.58XtevenDwonis : not here :)
09:29.08prpabout RAID again, if i take 2 identical sized hdd but different brands.. will it make any difference ?
09:29.21XtevenDwonis : http://www.singularity.be/Trashcan/locales-error.png
09:29.36XtevenI have a meeting now, will look into it again later
09:29.46azeemManny: maybe you should also add Sections: but I think the source packages' section will just be used
09:30.18DwonisXteven: "en" is not a locale
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09:30.35DwonisXteven: you probably want en_US ISO8859-1 or something
09:30.52XtevenDwonis : yes :P hence my question: what generates /etc/locale.gen ?
09:30.52tremortestos: maybe you can pipe it to the sed command and subst \n into ,
09:31.12Xtevenbut I'm off now
09:31.13Xteventhx :)
09:31.17azeemManny: ah, how did you invoke the package building process?
09:31.42Mannyazeem, w00t, now (after adding Architecture) it works :)
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09:31.47azeemManny: cool
09:31.50Mannydpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b
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09:31.58azeemok, that's fine
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09:32.17azeemcdbs was probably parsing debian/control to figure out arch-dep/arch-indep packages, and couldn't find the info, so skipped
09:32.25Mannylintian reports some minor problems
09:32.31Mannyyeah, it should have bailed
09:32.35Mannylet me file a bug report
09:32.43Mannythanks for your help!
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09:33.01Dwoniswhen does "flood" become "Excess Flood"?
09:33.10azeemManny: maybe your control stanza wasn't policy-compliant, so in that case undefined behaviour might be alright
09:33.15MatBoyWow ! VMWare under Debian is perfect !!
09:33.17azeembut a bug report won't hurt
09:33.18Dwonisdoesn't "flood" mean excess by definition?
09:33.40DwonisMatBoy: I don't know about the "VMware under" part, but the rest I agree with
09:33.42kevixManny: there seems to be an debian-accessibility mailing list that you may want to email/join/search. lists.debian.org for more info.
09:34.32testostremor, while read line;sed -e "s/$line\n/$line," hostnames; done < test.txt
09:34.40testosis that about right ?
09:34.45azeemManny: there's #gnome-debian on gimpnet if you want to push those gnome-a11y meta-packages into Debian
09:35.09Mannyazeem, sounds great! :)
09:35.15cybermikehttp://osdn.debian.or.jp/~kmuto/sarge-amd64/install/net/mini.iso  <- this one isnt bootable
09:35.20tremortestos:  i think, it is better, when you let sed work after you first command
09:35.37ankurazeem : i have used chmod a+x /etc/init.d/squid. but when i run command /etc/init.d/squid it gives me following error "bash: /etc/init.d/squid: /sbin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory"
09:35.42azeemcybermike: hrm
09:35.52azeemcybermike: the amd64 iso were known to have issues
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09:35.59MatBoyDwonis: I can guarantee you that it is great ! I worked before on a laptop, now on a workstation again ! very fine !
09:36.05ankurAnd still the MIME type is text/plain
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09:36.07azeemankur: what is the first line of your script?
09:36.25cybermikeazeem: well...what am i going to do to get this nforce thing to work?
09:36.28liableyou have to pay for vmware?
09:36.35ankurazeem  : #!/sbin/sh
09:36.43azeemsbin?
09:36.52MatBoyliable: you have to indeed
09:36.54Dwonisazeem: it's a very special shell
09:37.03azeemankur: I don't think that will work, try /bin/sh
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09:38.04MatBoyI had a very nice tool for monitoring my system in KDE some time ago. It was a very high and small window. I can;t remember what it was.. does someone sounds this familair ?
09:38.16DwonisMatBoy: top?
09:38.21tremortestos:  i can not test this at the moment, i have to go now. but be sure to have the >> before hostnames, like you wrote before
09:38.23ankurazeem : thank you.. its working.
09:38.31azeemcool
09:38.58miki2question: does 2.6.x kernel support IDE CD/DVD RW? or do i need to emulate scsi?
09:39.06testostremor, thnx
09:39.08Dj_Spyquestion, on debian, I see I have no pam_stack.so, but the pure-ftp file uses that, is there an other .so that I can use that is standard with debian or which packet could I install to have that pam_stack.so? thanks :)
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09:39.39tremortestos:  and maybe it's a good idea, to test this on a not so important file before ;)
09:39.46ankurazeem : Now every time my computer reboots squid will automatically started. am i correct please ?
09:39.48liableMatBoy: gkrellm?
09:40.09jm_miki2: you don't need ide-scsi
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09:40.24azeemankur: no, man init
09:40.42azeemankur: you need to add symlinks in e.g. /etc/rc2.d to /etc/init.d/squid
09:40.52MatBoyliable: I think you have the right one. There are some small lights in it, a small grapph for the processor
09:40.53DwonisDj_Spy: I don't know.  It looks like it hasn't been packaged
09:41.01liablemiki2: your best bet is to copy the debian 2.6.15 config over and just compile inthe few drivers for your chipset
09:41.13liablemiki2: yeah i think thats what you want
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09:42.03miki2jm_: im reading some outdated FAQ/HOWTO with kernel menuconfig options and guy wrote that kernel 2.4.x aint supporting IDE CD RW by default, so he shows how to emulate IDE thru SCSI to enable writing... im not sure if its already in 2.6.x
09:42.30Dj_Spyyeah, didn't find it also, that is why maybe there is an other .so that comes with debian that I could use to replace that pam_stack.so
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09:42.57MatBoyliable: that's the one indeed !! thnks !
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09:43.11liableno worries
09:43.17DwonisDj_Spy: Debian packages seem to use the @include directive.  I don't know if that helps you
09:43.19tmg1|archimedestestos: needed a / on the end of your sed expression thing
09:44.13tmg1|archimedesor not
09:44.59cybermikei got the amd64 thing working...it can find the NIC but not the hd
09:45.01jm_miki2: 2.4 doesn't need it either
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09:46.24coywolfanyone would help me with an english sentenc aoubt to not vs not to?
09:46.45miki2jm_: oh, fine, that guy must be using some odd kernel then :)
09:46.51liablecoywolf: paste it in flood
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09:48.00miki2jm_: i had error message when i typed 'make menuconfig', something like: 'no rules to execute object' does it mean that i didnt link directories?
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09:49.07swimm3rcan anyone help me to find VDR developer channel?
09:49.18jm_miki2: humm I'd need to see more
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09:50.47tbfhmm... strange bug-tracking system you guys have.... why not switch to bugzilla or trac or whatever?
09:50.53miki2jm_: btw, sience i copied kernel source from NTFS partition, it was read only, i extracted with 'tar xfvz', are extracted files still read only?
09:52.01tbfjvw: send some patch for phpbb2-languages to submit@bugs.debian.org. hope it will reach you :-D
09:52.22jm_miki2: no
09:52.28wrtpeepsis there a php5 apt package?
09:52.40aquariusI'd like to send mail generated on my server to a smarthost. However, I need to rewrite the "outgoing domain" different;y depending on the user; for example, mail to user "foo" should get sent to foo@example.org via the smarthost, but mail sent to user "bar" should go to bar@somewhereelse.com. Which MTA should I use that's as simple as possible?
09:52.49liablewrtpeeps: for sarge? see backports.org
09:53.11aquariusI've tried ssmtp but I can't seem to get it tochange the address depending on the user; it makes me pick one domain to add to unqualified names.
09:53.14tmg1|archimedesdoes anyone log this IRC channel?
09:53.35Ronintmg1|archimedes: probibly why? what part specifically?
09:54.10tmg1|archimedesRonin: I'm positive someone else has had my problem recently;  you guys probably had dozens of people coming in asking about the xorg transition
09:54.23tmg1|archimedesif the logs were online somewhere it might save this channel a lot of hassle
09:55.14azeemhttp://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
09:55.37kevixazeem: can that be added to 'dpkg' bot?
09:55.48azeemkevix: sure, do it
09:55.54Dwonisdamn, I don't want my ranting on this channel to be available on Google...
09:56.01wrtpeepsthanks liable
09:56.01azeemdpkg, xorg69to7 is http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
09:56.02dpkgokay, azeem
09:56.40azeemDwonis: then stop ranting?
09:57.10RichiHany idea why, after i have failed to install the nvidia kernel module (seems to be a bug which i hit upon), even the vesa driver is not there any more?
09:57.11Dwonisazeem: why change my own actions when I can just change the actions of others/
09:57.36liabletmg1|archimedes: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/
09:57.37azeemRichiH: Xorg7?
09:57.43azeem!xorg69to7
09:57.43dpkg[xorg69to7] http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
09:58.13MatBoyliable: there is no standard startbutton for gkrellm in KDE is it ?
09:58.14RichiHazeem: it could, of course, be that i was hit with that unsupectingly
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09:58.33liableRichiH: xserver-xorg-video-vesa?
09:58.39RichiHfuck
09:58.40azeemRichiH: make sure the xserver-xorg-vesa package or whatever it's called is installed
09:58.43ArtistAgentDwonis, if you need confidentiality try a psychologist. :)
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09:58.54RichiHyah, well, that would explain quite a lot
09:59.04kevixliable: why not use xserver-xorg-video-all ?
09:59.14liablekevix: indeed.
09:59.22tmg1|archimedesliable:...and bookmarked. thanks.
09:59.28liablekevix: he was after veas..
09:59.32liablevesa
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09:59.38tremortestos:  did you got it working? maybe a hint for sed here for you. please see point 5.10. @ http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/tutorials/sedfaq.txt
09:59.50tmg1|archimedesnow watch the logs utterly saturate my ram lol
09:59.51ootputhi guys, is there a tool which displays the refresh rate of a particular monitor in a dual-monitor setup?
09:59.53kevixliable: it beats forgetting the correct one...
10:00.09RichiHazeem, liable: thanks..
10:00.31liableyw
10:00.34jvwtbf: it should, thanks in advance
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10:02.09MishMashGuys i'm having a big problem
10:02.18Dwonisootput: you could check /var/log/X(org|free86).0.log
10:02.32MishMashI have an AMD64 Dual opteron server running with 8GB memory, it is running an java application
10:02.42kevixMishMash: is that O(x), O(x²) or bigger?
10:02.48liableootput: hwinfo --monitor?
10:02.58MishMashKevix: ?!
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10:03.03Dwonisliable: nope
10:03.19kevixMishMash: google for big O notation.
10:03.31MishMashO(x)
10:03.32liablekevix: how do you do that little 2?
10:03.46Dwonis!unicode
10:03.46dpkgunicode is THE DEVIL!
10:03.50Dwonisliable: ^^^
10:03.53MishMashlol
10:03.56kevixliable: I just typed o ^ 2
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10:04.13tmg1|archimedeso^2
10:04.22tmg1|archimedeshrm
10:04.34MishMashThe maximum memory size of the java app is now 2048M, but i want to bring that value up to 7000
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10:04.39MishMashis there a way to do that?
10:04.52liableDwonis: i have to sell my soul to make little 2's?
10:05.15Dwonissi
10:05.16kevixMishMash: is this an issue with the bigmem support for the 2.6 kernel?
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10:05.58MishMashI don't think so, When i set the initial size to 7000M i get an error: Invalid heap size
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10:06.03Dwonis_o^2
10:06.05Dwonis_nope
10:06.14MishMashunable to start jvm blah blah blah
10:06.15tmg1|archimedesDwonis: where are you anyway?
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10:06.31RichiHazeem, liable: works now.. argh, three hours down the drain
10:06.35RichiHthanks, anyway
10:06.41RichiHbrb
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10:06.49Dwonistmg1|archimedes: Regina, like you... why are you still awake?  It's 4AM?
10:06.52JaMiNkLeis the a ppc debian chan?
10:06.53tmg1|archimedesDwonis: and do you go to losurs meets?
10:06.57liableRichiH: better than 5 :)
10:06.58tmg1|archimedesDwonis: I have a final in ...8 hours
10:07.06lappwww.24freesex.com
10:07.11kevixJaMiNkLe: yes. and a mailing list also.
10:07.16azeemlapp: are you spamming?
10:07.16Gandalfarhello, which shell utility would you recommend for reversinge lines in a file, something like a reverse `cat` ?
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10:07.17Dwonistmg1|archimedes: I haven't in the last year or so, but I go the odd time.
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10:07.26JaMiNkLecool
10:07.31JaMiNkLewhat is it?
10:07.31kevixGandalfar: tac
10:07.36Gandalfarah, thanks!
10:07.39kevixJaMiNkLe: debian-ppc
10:07.41Dwonis!tell tmg1|archimedes about procrastination
10:07.45JaMiNkLenicess
10:07.54kevixJaMiNkLe: also check lists.debian.org
10:08.01tmg1|archimedesah
10:08.04RichiHliable: yah, well..
10:08.31tmg1|archimedescourse
10:08.38liableDwonis: does this work by just installing unicode or do i actually have to do shit?
10:08.46TrewasMishMash: are you using 64bit jvm?
10:09.08Dwonisliable: the "just typing o^2" didn't work for me in irssi 0.8.9
10:09.13JohnnyBoyZfor Debian help in french is here please ?
10:09.16azeem!fr
10:09.17dpkgLes personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr
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10:09.24SimonRaven!fr
10:09.30MishMashTrewas: Yes
10:09.30tmg1|archimedesyay!
10:09.31tmg1|archimedesit works!
10:09.36liablekevix: irssi? how do you do it?
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10:09.43tmg1|happythat only took 4 hours
10:09.47JohnnyBoyZ!fr
10:09.47dpkgLes personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr
10:09.51tmg1|happyshould I try gdm?
10:09.59azeemJohnnyBoyZ: you're late
10:09.59kevixliable: I use irssi an utf-8 locale.
10:10.03JohnnyBoyZthank's :-)
10:10.15liablei use utf8. hrm
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10:10.28Dwonistmg1|happy: Your initials are JC, aren't they?  (extra points if you figure out how I know this)
10:10.38tmg1|happyDwonis: bingo
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10:10.43miki4ls_: i symlinked kernel directory(in /usr/src) to linux directory (in same directory), in wich dir should i be to type 'make menuconfig' ?
10:10.50azeemDwonis, tmg1|happy: can you move this conversation to a /query, please?
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10:11.13azeembah
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10:11.41liableazeem: same ip
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10:12.24jm_miki2: there's no need to symlink or to have it in /usr/src - you should cd to the dir and type it there
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10:13.35tremorbye and a nice day/night
10:13.50miki4jm_: im getting error then :( 'no rules to execute object 'menuconfig'. stop.
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10:14.06miki4somthing similar, i dunno exact translation of error
10:14.06mmhow can I get /dev in a chroot
10:14.15xomhauyes people from russia here?
10:14.22xomhau:D
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10:14.47liablekevix: can you do a little TM ? if you can then i definately need to get this sorted! :)
10:14.48tmg1|happyxomhau: try #debian-ru ?
10:14.54tmg1|happyprobably some here too though
10:15.29kevixliable: ommmmmm. oommmm. is that TM?
10:15.36xomhautmg1|happy, :D ,
10:15.52liablekevix: it just works (insert little TM here)
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10:17.04kevixliable: I wish there was guide for those things. I did the o² by accident x-)
10:17.05noiesmohow do i force overwrite of diversion that clashes with removed package have tried dpkg-divert --reemove blah also tried dpkg -i --force-overwrite-diverted blah
10:17.19liablekevix: c'mon, dont be coy!
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10:17.31ifvoidhmm, I'm having some trouble to get apache2 with ssl to work.  Http works fine, but https gives (wget error): penSSL: error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol
10:17.53ifvoidapache does listen on port 443, I have an ssl cert, and the sslengine is on
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10:18.03ifvoidany idea what could be the problem?
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10:18.17ifvoidoh, en mod_ssl is enables, of course
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10:19.41noiesmoifvoid, rtfm no hel here biatch
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10:20.41lewis2good morning lads - I have spamassassin 3.0.3 with exim4, and am trying to test my user_prefs. The permissions are all there, but spamassassin doesn't recognize the changes, i.e. required_score 2 - suggestions appreciated, and have already asked in #spamassassin
10:21.04nkuttlerifvoid: did you check the logs?
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10:21.10lewis2(also - can someone point me to a sarge r2 netinstall link?)
10:21.29nkuttlerlewis2: /msg dpkg netinst
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10:21.43azeemlewis2: r2 isos are not available yet I think
10:21.55lewis2azeem: rough timeframe?
10:22.07azeemdunno
10:22.13azeemI guess over the next days
10:22.20lewis2k - appreciated
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10:22.41lewis2and, if anyone has any ideas/suggestions regarding user_prefs with spamassassin, I'd be grateful, never really gotten them to work
10:22.52Werl^workI was up to install apache, but when i put files on it i have to write like index.html to reach it and there is not such folders like httpdocs, and localhost what to do?
10:22.53lewis2I have a simple set up, so the solution must be quite close :)
10:23.13zimnyxWhat is the name of package that counts control sum of files to prevent intrusion, there was something new and old for that, maybe aide?
10:23.40jm_zimnyx: debsums
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10:23.43kevixWerl^work: /var/www ?
10:23.50ifvoidnkuttler: yeah, nothing there
10:24.13Werl^workkevix ya, but ther is no more after that
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10:25.06kevix/usr/share/doc/ is where all the docs are. /usr/share/doc/apache/ should help.
10:25.24azeemlewis2: 3.1r2 will be there soon
10:25.25azeem12:19 <@Sledge> azeem: they're sycning onto cdimage.d.o right now
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10:25.33azeem12:19 <@Sledge> early afternoon today is my plan
10:26.00Werl^work·kevix· thanks ill see what i can do there
10:26.05kevixazeem: I saw in mentioned on planet.d.o
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10:26.30azeemkevix: the ISOs?
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10:27.39zimnyxjm_: there was another package to track changes to any file
10:27.47miki4my mobo got integrated video card and i got another ati agp vid card, how can i config kernel to use only agp videocard?
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10:27.59azeemthere's debsums for files in packages which keep md5sums around
10:28.10Werl^workkevix should i configure something there? or place the files there maybe?
10:28.21jm_zimnyx: there are several tools for that
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10:29.19kevixWerl^work: debian apache makes /var/www the default place for html files for apache
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10:29.46zimnyxjm_: i knew two, one is aide and another one, can't recall
10:30.13Werl^workya, but i have to write a absolute adress to make it work like my.server.ny/index.html
10:30.49jm_zimnyx: apt-cache search intrusion
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10:31.46zimnyxjm_: did that before i talked to You
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10:31.55Werl^workkevix I installed apache from base-config, could it be diffrent if i used apt-get install?
10:32.06jm_zimnyx: so why are you still asking? apt-cache found ir for you
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10:32.25jm_zimnyx: and there's no need to address me as "you", "you" will do fine :P
10:32.30zimnyxjm_: i'm almost sure i knew another one, which is not listed. thanks anyway
10:32.31jm_I means as "You"
10:32.49jm_zimnyx: well there are some that are not in Sarge, not sure about newer releases
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10:33.02zimnyxi got unstable
10:33.15zimnyxnevermind aide will do the job
10:33.17jm_I don't, can't be arsed using pdo
10:33.17zimnyxthanls
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10:37.44Werl^workkevix i think it should be like var/www/localhost/htdocs ?
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10:38.19CrocoJetGood morning everyone ! one question: Is a good idea move to "testing" from sarge ?
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10:39.20zimnyxjm_: the missing name was tripwire:)
10:39.30jm_zimnyx: yes, that's a well known one too
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10:39.58levanderI'm almost positive I installed the gnome-bin package for something I no longer want, but gnome-bin sounds like a dangerous one to remove.  Anybody know for sure if it's okay?
10:40.14levanderI am running GNOME
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10:41.01CrocoJetlevander, what is your gnome version ?
10:41.05tmg1|happylevander: I wouldn't remove it, but then again I'm talking out my ass
10:41.07jm_ahh that search doesn't find tripwire, I suppose intrusion and integrity should be searched for
10:41.50miki4my mobo got integrated video card and i got another ati agp vid card, how can i config kernel to use only agp videocard?
10:41.57levanderCrocoJet: 2.12.1
10:42.48CrocoJetlevander, are you using "testing" repository or "unstable" ?
10:42.51zimnyxjm_: and is not listed for intrusion,.
10:42.59jm_zimnyx: see above
10:43.52levanderI know it was a package that was listed in response to  'apt-get build-dep php5' command.  So, if 'apt-get build-dep' only reports needed (and uninstalled) packages, then it was only installed to build php5.
10:43.59levanderCrocoJet: unstable
10:44.14CrocoJetI made install debian sarge, but would like use new releases gnome, kernel, apache server installing via .deb
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10:44.34CrocoJetis possible ?
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10:45.20magdalenebye bye boys.. have fun ;)
10:45.36Falkomhi all
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10:45.49levanderCrocoJet: it depends upon 'dependencies'.  All those packages rely on libraries.  If there are conflicting libraries the answer is no.  But, compiling those packages yourself (and possibly even having to port them to different library versions) I imagine you could
10:45.54levanderCrocoJet: but, I'm guessing
10:46.01Usiuhelp :( ERROR!  sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver
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10:47.09CrocoJetops
10:47.13MordenI have a question regarding rsync:  If a file was changed, will rsync then request/send the whole file to be transmitted again or will rsync just transmit the differences between the two files?
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10:47.59castMorden: the difference. hence why it is so cool
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10:48.18Morden@ cast: wasn't so sure about that
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10:48.22castMorden: it's in the description in man rsync ;>
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10:48.38Naomadhello people, I am a mean newb, if someone has experience setting up ultra monkey could you please pm me
10:48.40mamaahttp://www.japxxx.com/unhun150/index.html
10:49.07Morden@ cast: that leads me to the second question: what if a file is being deleted and re-created? (using mysqldump to make a full backup and hence first deleting the old version)? HOw is that treated? Just the differences again or the whole file?
10:49.11ravenbirdMorden: that's too long
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10:49.44Mordenravenbird: How do you mean that is too long?
10:49.46ravenbirdMorden: what are you talking about?
10:49.47cybermikeifvoid: i tried the sarge-custom-406 iso now and thant cant find either my nic or my controller, the amd64-mini could find the nic?
10:49.53liableMorden: dont the @ in channel when addressing someone.
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10:50.06Morden*sorry*
10:50.16castMorden: hmm, not sure. look at 'the technical report that accompanies this package' perhaps
10:50.18liableMorden: it triggers some bots .. ravenbird is a bot
10:50.29jm_liable_: you should have let him communicate with ravenbird for a few minutes more ;)
10:50.37liablehehe :)
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10:50.41ootputin a twinview setup, is there a way for me to force specific monitors to use specific resolution+refreshrate (1024x768@85hz) and the other to use 800x600@100?
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10:51.09miki4jm_: while getting kernel from apt, i need to get headers and sources, is linux image everything i need from kernel.org ?
10:51.14Mordencast: you know, my mysqldump is 270 mb (unzipped) and if I can just delete the old one, set the new one there and if only the changes are transmitted that would be grat
10:51.31jm_ootput: if you mean nvidia, then yes
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10:51.37Mordennice bot the ravenbird ^^
10:52.04jm_miki4: you mean linux-foo.tar.*? yes
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10:52.49miki4jm_: i downloaded 'linux-2.6.16.9.tar.gz' wich ws around 40MB, do i need anything else?
10:53.03jm_miki4: yes, make, compiler, time ;)
10:53.08castMorden: hmm, let me know how it works out. i'm curious myself.
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10:53.27cybermikeim trying again, how do i get debian sarge installed on a system where the harddisk controller (nforce4 sata) isnt supported?
10:53.31miki4jm_: i mean kernel package similar to kernel-headers...
10:53.35Drasshttp://www.gene-juice.com/galleries/060323/ggw1/index16.html
10:53.41jm_miki4: no that's OK
10:53.49liablecybermike: did you try the bios thing yet?
10:53.52castMorden: http://rsync.samba.org/tech_report/node2.html hmmm, i suppose this is going to depend alot on how mysqldump works
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10:54.02jm_I have already told you where to get Sarge 2.6.15 image which supports nforce4 just fine
10:54.06cybermikeliable: yes i cant find any flag like that
10:54.09liableMorden: you make the headers when you compile it..\
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10:54.14cybermikeliable: my nforce3 system had that
10:54.25liablecybermike: well get the 2.6.15 sarge installer then
10:54.28cybermikebut not this one
10:54.40cybermikeliable: and how do i locate that?
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10:54.55liablecybermike: you might want to make sure 2.6.15 supports your chipset first
10:55.08liable!tell cybermike about sarge 2.6.15
10:55.21cybermikei thought that chipset was supported from 2.4 and up
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10:55.38cybermikei think it is supported and that debian just choose not to compile it in :/
10:55.40liablenforce4??
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10:55.58tk-167muhahaha ;]
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10:56.15liablecybermike: debian compiles none of em in. but they are supported in the intrd so it matters not
10:57.04cybermikeokay but i allready tried that installer you just posted me a link about
10:57.07cybermikeit didnt work :(
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10:58.37liablecybermike: how didnt it work?
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10:59.07cybermikewhen the installer had to initialize the nic it said it couldnt find it and the same when it tried to start the partitioner
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11:00.58Werl^workwhat should i do to get apache work without type the absolute adress?
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11:01.06cybermikeshould i try the installer for i386 ?
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11:03.15liable!ops Deraa
11:03.15dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Deraa
11:03.16kspathspamming?
11:03.32ifvoidcybermike: have you tried loading the modules manually?
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11:03.52Werl^worki got var/www/apache2-default and if i try to go to the server i come to that map what to do?
11:03.57cybermikeifvoid: no i had the impresion that it tried them all itself
11:04.13ifvoidit's supposed to, but apparently that went wrong
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11:04.21ifvoidso you can switch to the second console
11:04.26ifvoidand just modprobe them manually
11:04.37cybermikeit should be sata_nv right?
11:04.43ifvoidyes
11:04.43cybermikenow that irritating...
11:04.51cybermikenow i have harddrives
11:04.58ifvoidand forcedeth for the nic
11:04.59mentorFatality!
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11:05.11cybermikeforcedeth dosnt work
11:05.16ifvoid!doesn't work
11:05.17dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
11:05.20Mordencast & liable: Well, how do you mean it depends on how the mysqldump works and what is with the headers? ^^
11:05.26cybermikeoh yea....i was some kind of realtek jujnk
11:05.33ifvoidah
11:05.46castwell. i've managed to break aptitude
11:05.47ifvoidwell, try the correct
11:05.50MaulkinLo all. Since I've upgraded xorg in unstable, I seem to now be getting 'move focused window' with ctrl+click. Any idea how to disable this behaviour?
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11:06.27cybermikeifvoid: i will try this with the official debian cd's
11:06.38ifvoidthat's probably not going to work
11:06.40cybermikeif this works here im gonna be mad...i have had this problem before and didnt solve it
11:06.47cybermikeifvoid: not on 2.6 either?
11:06.51ifvoidbecause the kernel is probably yoo old
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11:07.02cybermikei have used sata_nv on my gentoo system more than 1 1/2 year ago
11:07.06ifvoidcybermike: I'm not sure if it is supported by 2.6.8
11:07.17ifvoidoh, ok
11:07.26cybermikewould make my life easier if it was :)
11:07.30ifvoidbut I thought you already tried the official images?
11:07.45cybermikei did but i didnt try modprobe anything manually
11:07.51kneetAm trying to understand how the min/max values of lm-sensors for the w83782d chip are set (since I get a min/max of  (min =  -7.66 V, max =  -7.71 V) on the -5V line. I can see in the sensors conf file the settings of set in6_max -5 * 0.95 and set in6_min -5 * 1.05 - so where are these funny -7. values coming from?
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11:08.36RichiHliable: that address will not join any more
11:08.53kspathRichiH: thank you!
11:08.55liableRichiH: sweet :)
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11:09.43RichiHany idea when the new 2.6.26 images will be incoming? several modules of mine are thouroughly borken
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11:09.57Maulkinkneet: They're probably coming from the chipset. You'll basically have to customise those values in sensors.conf. There may be more information for that particular chipset in /usr/share/doc/sensors/
11:10.00Shadowcat2.6.26?
11:10.02Shadowcatwtf?
11:10.04jm_RichiH: probably in 2007 ;)
11:10.08Shadowcatwe're only on 2.6.16
11:10.09RichiHShadowcat: the one in unstable
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11:10.16RichiHah, my bad
11:10.51Jadoowww.naughty-xxx-porn-girls.com www.24freesex.com http://www.videosz.com/index.php?link_id=1 http://www.al4a.com/links.html
11:11.15kspath!ops Jadoo
11:11.15dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Jadoo
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11:11.26liablekspath: RichiH is an op
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11:11.44Werl^worki have to write http:// instead of www to get the homepage work what to do?
11:11.53allanI am trying to upgrade to sid, and it seems that X.org mouse autodetection fails. It asks for information manually, and I can answer everything but "busID". What is a busID, and what do I put there?
11:12.02kspathliable: I know, but I do not know if RichiH went away again.
11:12.05mentorhmmm
11:12.07liableWerl^work: eh?
11:12.13mentorah
11:12.14liablekspath: point
11:12.16mentorchanserv is lagging again :)
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11:12.51Werl^workliable ya, it wont work otherwise?
11:12.56RichiHklined
11:13.14liableWerl^work: i didnt understand your question.
11:13.14kspathRichiH: thank you
11:13.43allanIs this the best channel for x.org problems on debian?
11:13.55jm_allan: read the topic
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11:14.15jm_!tell allan -about xorg69to7
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11:14.26cybermikeifvoid: but now...when i modprobe this manually....will debian then be able to boot once i finaly get it installed?
11:14.54liableone step at a time
11:14.54kspathallan: Stable or Testing or Unstable?    x.org problems in/on what.
11:14.57visik7hi
11:15.26allankspath: upgrading from stable to unstable, xfree86 to x.org
11:15.28Werl^workliable i installed apache and i cant use a www adress to go to it i need to type http://serveradress.com
11:15.30visik7what I've to do if fakeroot debian/rules binary produce messages like this :
11:15.30visik7http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bacula/bacula-1.38.8.tar.gz
11:15.32visik7sotty
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11:15.34visik7sorry
11:15.41visik7what I've to do if fakeroot debian/rules binary produce messages like this :dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}
11:15.45MatBoyliable: gkrellm works very great again ! Thnx ! IO have a great skin on it now and I can also see my Raid-session activity ! great !
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11:15.50liableWerl^work: well, that entirely depends on you dns
11:15.56liableMatBoy: sweet
11:15.59pcqqq_hello, how can i see if my motherboard supports SATA 2.0 or not ?
11:16.05Yuszhttp://movies.easy-dater.com/galleries/01/278/index.html  http://www.worldsex.com/ http://jizz.juggcrew.com/198/?t=3&nats=MjQ3OjY6MTQ
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11:16.11allanjm_: thanks, that looks right, bye.
11:16.16kspathallan: x.org has different config file and unstable is unstable
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11:16.33jm_pcqqq_: go to manufacturere's site and read
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11:16.50pcqqq_jm_ : box is at a remote location..
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11:17.17jm_pcqqq_: how does that affect your ability to browse web sites?
11:17.36pcqqq_jm_: how do i know what motherboard is in the box ?
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11:18.31Werl^workhow do i install MYSQL ?
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11:18.56kspathWerl^work: apt-cache search mysql
11:19.08JaMiNkLei dont need to download all 14 cds do i :\
11:19.22epsilonto install debian?
11:19.25JaMiNkLeyeah
11:19.32epsilondepends
11:19.35JaMiNkLe:(
11:19.44epsilonis the box online with broadband?
11:19.47kspathRichiH: Did you see Yusz spam?
11:19.48JaMiNkLeyeah
11:19.57epsilonthen netinstall image is enough
11:20.05JaMiNkLethats what i got running now
11:20.12epsilonyou can leech needed packages online
11:20.13pcqqq_jm_: so nay ideea where can i see what motherboard is using.. i can see in lspci chipsets..
11:20.13JaMiNkLethe buisnesscard install
11:20.14JaMiNkLe;p;
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11:20.29JaMiNkLeshould i get net install insted
11:20.31liableepsilon: to much torrent for you!
11:20.41epsilonno, take normal netinstall, buisinesscard is for these small CDs
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11:21.03JaMiNkLeyeah i know i got buisinesscard running atm
11:21.04JaMiNkLelol
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11:21.09JaMiNkLelooks like its going to take years
11:21.11kspathepsilon: netinstall fits on small CDRs also
11:21.17JaMiNkLedoes netinstall have a fair few files on it
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11:21.38epsilonkspath: buisinesscard CD is smaller than "small" CD
11:21.38liableJaMiNkLe: its about 120MB
11:21.42liableiirc
11:21.47jm_pcqqq_: you don't know what hardware you have?
11:21.48JaMiNkLeyeah i know
11:21.52MordenCast: I just tested it now locally. DB-dump is 270 MB... I deleted it, made a new dump and then rysnc only transmitted around 25mb
11:21.55kspathepsilon: clipped sides
11:22.04liableJaMiNkLe: then why are you asking?
11:22.08castMorden: :) cool
11:22.12alexdnsabeis como instalar debian utilizando solamente un disquete
11:22.27Led_Zeppelinanyone here know where I can get transcode for debian?
11:22.31JaMiNkLei was saying whats the diff beetween netinstall and buisiness card
11:22.35jm_Led_Zeppelin: yes
11:22.35epsilonNot sure if netinstall would match on clipped buisinesscard CD
11:22.36JaMiNkLejust some cache files or something
11:22.39Led_Zeppelinjm_: where?
11:22.40epsiloneh, fit
11:22.42Mordencast: thx for your help :) I guess i'm now read for creating incremental backups ^^
11:22.51jm_Led_Zeppelin: /msg dpkg marillat
11:23.01xomhaure hi, anyone, what package call command uniconv ?
11:23.08liablealexdn: english? what is that language?
11:23.09RUBIAlklk
11:23.11JaMiNkLebecause i dont have a mini cd or a buisiness cd there both going to go on a cd-r anyway
11:23.21alexdnmmm spanish
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11:23.35liablealexdn: try #debian-es
11:23.49alexdnsorry i talking in a another channel
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11:24.12Werl^workmy apache dont support .PHP why?
11:24.42liableWerl^work: you didnt enable php module?
11:24.43xomhauWerl^work, edit config file
11:24.56kspathWerl^work: learn apache
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11:25.21MatBoyIs a SB-live not recognized automaticly by Debian ?
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11:25.24Werl^workill check the confing nothing more to install?
11:26.04kneetWerl^work, well - did you install the mod_php for your apache version?
11:26.37RUBIAla rubia ha entrado al chat!!!!
11:26.41Werl^worki just typed apt-get install apache2
11:26.54xomhauanyone , how to install package, which run command: uniconv ?
11:27.01kspath!tell RUBIA about es
11:27.01kneetWerl^work, then you probably don't even have php itself - let alone the link to apache
11:27.02Tidus!es
11:27.02dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:27.19nvz!find uniconv$
11:27.28dpkgDebian Search of 'uniconv' (2): (/usr/bin/uniconv) in editors/yudit ;; (/usr/sbin/netatalk-uniconv) in net/netatalk.
11:27.32kneetTry running a few "apt-cache search" for e.g. php4 libapache-mod-php etc
11:27.45Werl^workkneet uhm, ok what to do then?
11:27.58kneetapt-get install the ones you want?
11:28.16kspathWerl^work: then get someone to spoon feed you directions to do everything related to apache and php.
11:28.24RUBIAiyo ami en español
11:28.28RichiHkspath: did not, thanks
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11:28.46kspath!tell RUBIA about es
11:29.01kneetWerl^work, come back if it doesn't make sense - but - at least try the apt-cache search to see what packages are available - then see how far you get when apt-get installing them :)
11:29.07Werl^workkneet i dunno what i thougt i was in apache
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11:29.41kneetWerl^work, apache is just a web server - it doesn't include all the various modules - try an apt-cache search apache2
11:29.51RUBIAwhere are you from?
11:30.11mrexhow do i find out which alsa version a specific kernel version uses? i can't find it in the docs
11:30.11kspathRUBIA: This is #debian not a random get together channel.
11:30.26kspathRUBIA: Do you want to install debian?
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11:30.48SimonRavenkspath: sorry i didn't ask first (the /msg)
11:31.00kspathSimonRaven: no problem
11:31.15Werl^workso what should i apt-get to install php?
11:31.17RUBIAque yo soy española
11:31.26RUBIAok?
11:31.30kspathSimonRaven: are you sure you /msg me?
11:31.34SimonRaven!es
11:31.34dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:31.40jm_mrex: /proc/asound/version
11:31.45SimonRavenpretty sure
11:31.49kspathRUBIA: /join #debian-es
11:31.56SimonRavenoops :)
11:32.06SimonRaventhere :)
11:32.07mrexjm_, thanks. is there any way to find out without installing the kernel first?
11:32.19mrexi.e. just from the kernel source
11:32.23kspathSimonRaven: hehehehe
11:32.25jm_mrex: you mean by looking at source files?
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11:32.51mrexyes, or at the version number (e.g. 2.6.16 = alsa 1.0.???)
11:33.00SimonRaveni didn't post it publically as i didn't want to spam the channel, despite the urgency
11:33.11kneetWerl^work, depends on what you need - but I'd start with an apt-cache search php to see what was available
11:34.08jm_mrex: version.h
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11:34.27mrexjm_, thanks a million;)
11:34.53miki2where can i find list of packages required by 2.6.16.9 to install?
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11:36.58mrexmiki2: Documentation/Changes
11:37.49liablemrex: what was the actuall problem? you should be able to install your own compiled kernel
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11:38.15Oddmongerhello
11:38.24alexdnhello
11:38.26Oddmongerwhere can i find debian floppy bootdisks ?
11:38.35liable!sarge floppies
11:38.36dpkgmethinks sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386
11:38.52jm_on Debian mirrors, surprisingly enough
11:39.05Oddmongeri just found iso cd on debian mirrors
11:39.12Oddmongersurprisingly enough
11:39.14tarzeau!seen abrotman
11:39.15dpkgabrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14h 2m 30s ago, saying: 'shogunx: or let DNS and Ping through .. but block everything else :)'.
11:39.25liableOddmonger: see what dpkg just said.
11:39.32SimonRavenreally? not on ubuntu mirrors? </joke>
11:39.34jm_yes, no surprise there, another one who doesn't know ho wto read installation manual
11:39.52liableOddmonger: fyi, its in the "other images" bit
11:39.57Oddmongeri do read the installation manual
11:40.06jm_uhuh
11:40.15tarzeaujm_: he means, he looks at the pictures
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11:40.26jm_tarzeau: indeed
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11:40.44Braindeadtarzeau: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361772 has it got any sense?
11:40.45tarzeaumaybe debian manuals should have more pictures
11:41.01tarzeauBraindead: who? the bugsubmitter?
11:41.04liableof terminals?
11:41.16Braindeadtarzeau: the bug and the submitter too
11:41.20tarzeauBraindead: the bug is not a bug
11:41.28tarzeauBraindead: it's just a missing sentence in debian/copyright
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11:41.44tarzeauBraindead: the license was upgraded, that's in the license in the package as well as in the changelog
11:41.46mrexliable: no, there was no problem -i just wanted to check the alsa version that the different kernels use as I need a specific alsa version
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11:41.48BraindeadI know,that's why I'm asking you why you didn't reply :)
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11:42.00tarzeauBraindead: what should i reply? curse about the nitpicker?
11:42.14tarzeauBraindead: do you know how many more debian/copyright files are more horrible than this mine?
11:42.16Braindeadtarzeau: a STFU would do it ;)
11:42.26tarzeauBraindead: waste of time
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11:42.58liablemrex: sorry, that question wasnt intended for you.
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11:43.26Gandalfartarzeau: are you a DD yet?
11:43.35tarzeauGandalfar: no. are you a DD yet?
11:43.43yanghow much is 79127649483 bytes in Gigabytes?
11:43.45Gandalfartarzeau: I haven't applied yet
11:43.59Gandalfartarzeau: I was hoping you could sponsor me one day :)
11:44.13tarzeauGandalfar: haha, i was hoping you could sponsor me
11:44.16Gandalfartarzeau: once I prove my packing skills
11:44.20tarzeauGandalfar: which packages do you have? go apply now
11:44.30Gandalfartarzeau: aren't you in a DAM queue yet?
11:44.33tarzeauGandalfar: you know, if you maintain packages, that's when you prove your skills
11:44.40tarzeauGandalfar: everything else is bullshit
11:44.40Gandalfartarzeau: yes, I know
11:44.48tarzeauGandalfar: i don't know, check nm.debian.org
11:44.56tarzeauGandalfar: why do you talk such shit then?
11:44.56infernixyang: 73,693366239778697490692138671875 GB
11:45.05yanginfernix: thank you
11:45.14yanginfernix: what is the calculation used?
11:45.15Gandalfartarzeau: I'm just maintaining a couple of ubuntu ports of stuff like cinelerra and livecd related packages..
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11:45.29infernixyang: bytes / 1024 =kbytes, /1024 = mbytes, /1024 = gbytes
11:45.33Gandalfartarzeau: I meant, sponsor as one that uploads my packages into debian
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11:46.06tarzeauGandalfar: which package?
11:46.06infernixyang: if you refer to harddisk storage space, some HD vendors use 1000 instead of 1024 though. thats marketing i guess
11:46.22infernixyang: meaning a 200GB hd would be 189GB usable
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11:47.24ConfidentiaLhow do I list partition tables in debian?
11:47.40tarzeauConfidentiaL: fdisk -l
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11:48.55wangqian#flood
11:48.59ConfidentiaLit doesn't work... And also, sudo doesn't work, I need to first use su... :S
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11:49.05tarzeau!doesn't work
11:49.05dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
11:49.21tarzeauConfidentiaL: yes of course not everyone can read anything from a harddisk, raw
11:49.29tarzeauConfidentiaL: it has the shadow file, you know?
11:49.40tarzeauConfidentiaL: ls -lad /dev/hd* /dev/sd*
11:49.43tarzeauConfidentiaL: id
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11:50.30Gandalfartarzeau: my big wish is to include cinelerra into debian, but that would require a lot of work because of quicktime related libs it needs..
11:50.37Gandalfartarzeau: but maybe one day :)
11:50.45tarzeauGandalfar: where is your package?
11:50.50tarzeauGandalfar: wishes are for girls
11:51.01ConfidentiaLtarzeau: ???
11:51.09BraindeadI wish a pony! YAYYYY   \o/
11:51.11tarzeauGandalfar: when you say sponsor, always also say an url with the ready to upload package
11:51.14Gandalfartarzeau: maybe over summer :)
11:51.17tarzeauBraindead: bum :)
11:51.24tarzeauGandalfar: this year?
11:51.24CAiROwhere can i adjust the log level of postfix? i get a million of lines like these: "postfix/smtpd[29182]: sql auxprop plugin using mysql engine"
11:51.29Gandalfartarzeau: :)))
11:51.34tarzeauGandalfar: i'd rather go to the lake with some girls in summer
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11:51.49Gandalfartarzeau: well, that's not true DD spirit then ;)
11:52.04tarzeauGandalfar: what is the true DD spirit?
11:52.12Gandalfar:-)
11:52.17tarzeauGandalfar: do you play nethack already? i think that's one of the true DD spirits
11:52.31Gandalfarnever got a hang of that game, only tetrinet from time to time
11:52.45tarzeauGandalfar: you are jure cuhalev?
11:52.59Gandalfartarzeau: that is what my IRC profile says, yes
11:53.28tarzeauGandalfar: find yourself http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/
11:54.05epsilonis anyone familier with Creative Common license? I don'tunderstand the modification nd republish section: If I allow modification, can everyone modify it and republish it under another lisence?
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11:54.23tarzeauepsilon: CC are ugly.
11:54.30tarzeauepsilon: do you want to license something, or package something?
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11:54.49tarzeauepsilon: because there's so many different CC licenses, and it's anal pain to find out which one you have
11:54.53Gandalfartarzeau: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gandalf@owca.info
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11:55.47epsilontarzeau: publish some pictures, allow non-commercial usage incl modification
11:56.28Gandalfarepsilon: put sharealike to it
11:56.39epsilona what?
11:56.39tarzeauGandalfar: STOP
11:56.47tarzeauepsilon: can you not use the revised artistic license?
11:56.53tarzeauepsilon: can i view those pictures?
11:56.58Gandalfarepsilon: or maybe go through a wizard on a CC page
11:57.03tarzeauepsilon: or the WTFPL ?
11:57.07tarzeauGandalfar: it sucks
11:57.07epsilonI can use any lisence matchign my need
11:57.24tarzeauGandalfar: it sucks for the one making the license. it sucks for the one finding out what he is allowed with the license.
11:57.32Gandalfartarzeau: no it does not
11:57.33tarzeauepsilon: i think artistic license matches, here:
11:57.40tarzeauGandalfar: yes it sucks big ass time
11:57.50epsilonthe pictures are not online yet, I took some pics with my digital camra
11:58.01tarzeauepsilon: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jakub/artistic.txt
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11:59.51ConfidentiaLis there a command similar to "sudo", that I can use instead of it?
11:59.59acecile_hi
12:00.41BraindeadConfidentiaL: in case you hadn't noticed,debian is not ubuntu
12:00.46davroConfidentiaL: su ?
12:00.51Braindeadof course sudo "doesn't work" out of the box
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12:01.33ConfidentiaLoh, lol :P but when I use "su" then I can't list fdisk -l ...
12:01.39Braindeadsu -
12:02.13jm_why would one use su for this? cat /proc/partitions
12:02.36Braindeadto have a nicer output ?
12:02.42Braindead(he's a n000b)
12:02.43tarzeaujm_: doesn't he want to know partition type?
12:02.54castjm_: '-r--r--r--', i dunno. why?
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12:03.22ConfidentiaLto know what partitions to mount...
12:03.32acecile_hey could you help me with while ?
12:03.38jm_tarzeau: you don't need to care about that
12:03.40acecile_i don't uderstand something
12:03.45acecile_with global and local variables
12:03.49acecile_check this script
12:03.51acecile_http://www.le-vert.net/divers/test.sh
12:04.10Xtevenhi, does anyone know where /etc/locale.gen is generated ?
12:04.18ifvoidXteven: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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12:04.29acecile_even I do export USED, I can't get its value after done
12:04.32XtevenI believe its in the locales package, but I can't find why it would generate a bad config file
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12:04.43Xtevenifvoid : during install ?
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12:04.57ifvoidXteven: no, from the command line
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12:05.10jm_acecile_: you want to have variables set in child process visible in parent process?
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12:05.21acecile_yes jm_
12:05.27epsilontarzeau: Ok, I have choose between CC and WTFPL :D
12:05.35acecile_but i don't think while is a child process (??)
12:05.35tarzeauepsilon: WTFPL ?
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12:05.40jm_acecile_: read about "source" or "." in man bash, or read ABS
12:05.44acecile_it's the first time i have this problem
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12:06.04tarzeauepsilon: you know some CC licenses are not ok for Debian ...
12:06.05blendais it possible to convert lilypond scores to midi?
12:06.27epsilontarzeau: my pics have nothing to do with debian
12:06.42tarzeauepsilon: then you are off-topic here
12:06.47tarzeauepsilon: what do they have to do with?
12:06.53epsilonI know, but you answered :D
12:08.24anabainRUBIA, there's a catalan debian channel; debian-catalan, and a spanish one, debian-es
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12:10.43matthijsWhat is the best solution to test a Matrox G200 under Debian/Xorg/KDE ?
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12:11.22ConfidentiaLif I use "fdisk -l", nothing happens... It just jump to the next line, like it was finished...
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12:14.24multi_iocould it be that module-init-tools from testing is not on the debian server in the version that the index file says it is?
12:14.35ConfidentiaLis there a similar guide to ubuntuguide just for debian?
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12:15.09multi_ionevermind
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12:17.11jazbo2185Hey folks, I've got an .iso of the install cd of a Windows program that I'd like to run on my debian laptop under Wine. Thing is I don't have a cd drive for the laptop.  Is it possible to intall without a cd drive?
12:17.28jm_you can mount ISO images in Linux
12:17.40Xtevenifvoid : how is it generated at install though ?
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12:17.56Xtevenifvoid : and by install I mean debian install :) not package install
12:18.26ConfidentiaLis there a similar guide to ubuntuguide just for debian?
12:18.32ifvoidit's generated in the configure stage of the locales package
12:19.03jazbo2185jm_ ooh cool thanks
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12:23.00ConfidentiaLhow do I mount a partition?
12:23.07tarzeauConfidentiaL: with mount
12:23.08escaladedo i have voice?
12:23.16tarzeauescalade: no
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12:23.38escaladei says need to reg at nickserv...
12:23.46tarzeauescalade: for what?
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12:24.06escaladedonno. was displayed when i joined the channel?
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12:24.57escaladei have a problem with crontab
12:25.04escalade*/5 * * * *             echo blaat
12:25.09escaladeshould this work?
12:25.13ifvoidyes
12:25.31visik7yes
12:25.32escaladeno output at all :(
12:25.33visik7why not ?
12:25.41visik7output should go on the email
12:25.43ifvoidescalade: the output is mailed
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12:26.13jm_did you add a newline after this?
12:26.38escaladeeuh no?
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12:28.34escaladeother ways to test if cron is working?
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12:29.05miki2how can i install tar.gz or bz2 packages?
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12:29.20azeemmiki2: rather install .deb packages
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12:29.39miki2azeem: i cant find dep packages on http
12:29.45GoAuLdhow do i blacklist the damn agpgart in udev ? i want only nvidia loaded!
12:29.50azeemmiki2: is this a binary tar package?
12:29.54azeemor a source archive?
12:29.59ForrestFi running a system with " STB Powergraph 64" What X drivers should i use for sarge stable
12:30.15RvGaTegood morning fellow linux users :P
12:30.16miki2azeem: source
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12:30.45azeemmiki2: then you need to build it first
12:30.45ConfidentiaLthis happens when I use fdisk, can any1 help me?
12:30.46ConfidentiaLdenne:~# fdisk -l
12:30.49ConfidentiaLdenne:~# fdisk -l
12:30.49ConfidentiaLdenne:~#
12:30.58miki2azeem: is there any tool for this?
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12:31.10miki2azeem: to automate process?
12:31.24ForrestFnvm i found it
12:31.26ForrestFS3 Virge graphics controller chip with integrated Digital Video Engine
12:31.52azeemmiki2: read the INSTALL instructions
12:31.55azeemif there are any
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12:33.13miki2azeem: ./configure and then 'make install' ??
12:33.30miki2azeem: seems easy :)
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12:33.44Zetthe real question is, do you really have to install it from source?
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12:35.08ConfidentiaLthis happens when I use fdisk, can any1 help me?
12:35.08ConfidentiaLdenne:~# fdisk -l
12:35.08ConfidentiaLdenne:~#
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12:37.38miki2Zet: do u know any site with newest *.deb packages wich i can download manually?
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12:38.37Zetmiki2: which software are you talking about?
12:39.34miki2Zet: like jfsutils 1.10
12:39.51miki21.1.10**
12:39.59GoAuLdhow do i blacklist the damn agpgart in udev ? i want only nvidia loaded!
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12:40.19Zetmiki2: ok, I have no idea what that is :)
12:40.20ForrestFi running a system with " STB Powergraph 64" gfx card What X drivers should i use for sarge stable
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12:40.26miki2GoAuLd: rofl, u want to blacklist it and i cant even load it with ATI
12:40.48JaMiNkLedoes anyone wanna by a zone alarm serial number?
12:40.58JaMiNkLelol
12:40.59miki2Zet: on debian site there is alpha 1.1.7, but on sourceforge there is stable 1.1.10
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12:41.22Zetmiki2: I see
12:41.31miki2Zet: i need few 'newest' packages, rest will come from debian site
12:41.42ForrestFi tryed S3 Virge drivers as it its chipset
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12:43.18ForrestFbut its saying no screens found
12:43.18Xtevenin case anyone is following my problems with /etc/locale.gen: I tracked the problem to /usr/share/languagelist
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12:44.00ConfidentiaLis there a guide for debian similar to ubuntuguide.org?
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12:46.01tristanohello. there is a program that allow to include ONLY the hardware that i have in my system?
12:46.11tristano*in the kernel
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12:46.23cahootConfidentiaL: you might look for the debian reference
12:49.02ConfidentiaLcahoot: debian reference?
12:49.18cahootConfidentiaL: right
12:49.46ConfidentiaLcashoot: where?
12:49.57stylieThose of you using wireless network, could you tell me what to do in /etc/network/interfaces to set essid and key which I usually run by hand with iwconfig ?
12:50.40cahootConfidentiaL: debian.org documentation etc - sorry can't offer a simple url
12:51.08mvsthi guys
12:51.16mvsti've got a question
12:51.54mvstwhen im in console mode, i keep getting inbound connections (udp) wich are filling up my screen. what is this?
12:52.04tristanohello, if i want to have a minimal kernel that contains only what is necessary in my pc, does exist a package that permit me to do this?
12:52.21cahoottristano: make menuconfig
12:52.37mvstthen only include what you need
12:52.41mvstthats it
12:52.49jm_mvst: kernel messages ...
12:53.00tristano?
12:53.03mvsti dont kwow..
12:53.11mvststrange incoming connections yust appear
12:53.12cahoottristano: you realize it's a manual work by necessity
12:53.33jm_that's because you have firewall rules that log them
12:53.45mvstfirewall rules?
12:53.48mvstlol
12:53.59mvstuhh i had no firewall configures
12:54.02mvstd
12:54.09jm_that's what you think yes
12:54.10mvstand it still happened
12:54.18tristanocahoot, there isn.t an autamatic script?
12:54.24tristano*auto
12:54.26mvstno
12:54.53jm_tristano: there were some attempts to write a script that would do the job, but it's very hard keeping it up to date etc.
12:54.58mvstyust make xconfig or menuconfig
12:55.08mvsthey jm
12:55.15mvstso its yust my firewall logging
12:55.29jm_mvst: yes, and you can configure it so it's not printed on console
12:55.37mvstthats quite strange
12:55.42mvstnever had that before
12:55.42cahoottristano: would be godsent it there was one - but given the vast field of hw you can imagine the problems in constructing such app
12:55.49mvstbut i ran chkrootkit
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12:56.05mvstand is tells that a bindshell is found
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12:56.18mvstbut i was reading some article this afternoon
12:56.20tristanojm_, ok, then i change question. where i can find a very complete guide to each kernel option??
12:56.49jm_tristano: tell me too if you find it
12:56.56mvstand it says portsentry may trigger bindshell ..
12:57.15tristano:(
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12:57.39Excaliberhi
12:57.42priscilatristano: i learned what each option does with  help :)
12:57.46Excaliberi need help with dapper
12:57.54CAiROwhere can i adjust the log level of postfix? i get a million of lines like these: "postfix/smtpd[29182]: sql auxprop plugin using mysql engine"
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12:58.02Excaliberi can't boot the kernel
12:58.12Excaliberi tried the x server and still on the terminal
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12:58.51priscilatristano: did you try to see the /Doc dir on kernel source?
12:58.53tristanothird question: when there is an option then i can do answear y, n or m, what does it means "m"?
12:59.01SimonRavenwe don't do dapper here. #ubuntu does
12:59.09SimonRavenExcaliber: ^^^
12:59.14priscilatristano: modulo
12:59.21jm_and I was wondering what dapper is ;)
12:59.26SimonRaventristano: kernel config?
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12:59.42priscilatristano: it means that you can load or unload a feature
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12:59.56tristanoSimonRaven, yes
13:00.02SimonRavenit means 'module' as in build it modular
13:00.29mvstjm_ so im in no danger?
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13:00.37jm_mvst: I have no idea ;)
13:00.45ConfidentiaLdamn, debian is frustratingly difficult :S im switching back to ubuntu...
13:00.45tristanothen, if i don.t want that option i tave to necessary type "n".
13:00.59mvstjm: well im a bit worried ..
13:01.09SimonRavenyes
13:01.17mvstjm: becouse chkrookit comes up with bindshell
13:02.13SimonRavenConfidentiaL: whateva. your machine
13:02.20tristanoConfidentiaL, ubuntu is not so easy like it appears and when you will be more "mature" you won't see any difference of difficluty then debian...
13:02.21kspathConfidentiaL: Debian is difficult?  heheheheh
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13:02.52jm_mvst: well I would find out how chkrootkit detects it
13:02.55tristanopriscila, thanks
13:03.02stylie:w
13:03.04styliesorry
13:03.06kspaththe click-n-twitch gui interfaces are dumbing things down SO MUCH.
13:03.12priscilaubuntu is slow
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13:03.36Ronincool i got called an elistest linux asshole today :)
13:03.42lostsonhehe
13:03.45nevynRonin: nice
13:03.49Ronintoo bad i cant spell it mind you
13:03.50kspathpriscila: You should tell those in #ubuntu.
13:03.52azeemRonin: sorry to hear that
13:04.04nevynRonin: elitist?
13:04.07intxanyone here running selinux?
13:04.13Roninnevyn: yep
13:04.14priscilakspath: :P
13:04.18tristanopriscila, if a don't know if include or not an aption i  should leave default?
13:04.29tristano*option
13:04.35Roninapparently im not to suggest rtfm or some leg work on new users part but im to hand hold and spoon feed them
13:05.07kspathRonin: spoon feeding the babies until they can walk and they might never walk.
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13:05.53priscilatristano: read  help, there is suggestions for this :)
13:05.59DA_more like putting your baby in a wheelchair for the first 5 years of its life and then expecting it to jump down and start walking
13:06.03nevynRonin: you were the person that article referenced?
13:06.14cahoottristano: when in doubt read and follow the advice given by the help screen at each option
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13:06.28stylielearn the baby to walk, and it will soon run
13:06.35kspathRonin: If you try to tell them this is easy compared to before they will start saying things like  "yeah yeah yeah walked barefoot through the snow to school uphill both ways."
13:06.39DA_you set it on its feet and say "come here, come here..."
13:06.47DA_"you can make it"
13:06.48DA_etc
13:06.54cahootstylie: now how do you leran a baby to walk?
13:06.58kspathstylie: teach
13:06.58Roninnevyn: no i was saying i could understand why someone could snap and tell somoene to rtfm
13:07.00IRCFrEAKsilly question, why doesn't this put the output to a text file? "spamassassin -D < sample-spam.txt > output.txt"
13:07.01stylie:)
13:07.13styliecahoot: you first learn it to read, and then RTFM
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13:07.17SimonRaven'teach'
13:07.37jm_SimonRaven: now they have something to learn form you ;)
13:07.41m4lu6question: as i'm appending values to an array, foreach $myfoo as $mybar { $newFoo[] = $mybar} , the internal pointer of $newFoo doesn't change after an addition. correct?
13:07.49kspathstylie: Some of the babies become dependent on the whine/answer interface.
13:07.57n0rusIs it possible to fetch "pptp-linux" with all its dependencies, archive, so install on one workstation?
13:07.58stylie:)
13:08.05n0rusfetch from the internet
13:08.10Roninsweet coffee time
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13:08.34SimonRavenjm_: and some time or another i'll learn something from them
13:08.40m4lu6ahrhg
13:08.46m4lu6thought i was in #php.
13:08.47m4lu6damnit.
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13:09.53cybermikeMy debian installer has been spending almost an hour on formatting my root partition which is at 250gb's
13:09.57SimonRavenRonin: that's a fucking good idea. i've been up since 3am localtime
13:10.14cybermikehow come it be taking so long time?
13:10.27jm_you probably told it to run mkfs -c
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13:10.51SimonRavenRonin: canoe load of stuff going on here. and of course the MSM has a blackout on it (google "six nations blockade haldimand tract")
13:10.55cybermikeno i didnt....at least not on purpose
13:10.55cahootcybermike: alt-F2 - no msgs there?
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13:11.15i_m_meenhow can i download packages with dependencies, but not from debian, from windows?
13:11.23intxcybermike: you want it to 'quick format.'
13:11.27jm_then again, I forgot if d-i still asks that
13:11.32lewis2with "spamassassin -D sample-spam.txt", the user_prefs file isn't mentioned, and it doesn't look like it is read. Permissions are fine - anything I am missing?
13:11.35cybermikeReading all physcal volumes this might take som time
13:11.38cybermikewas the last message
13:11.38TraceGreenHello, i try to patch ndevfs to debian-kernel 2.6.11-1-686, but fail, the patch seems don't match this kernel, anyone once patch this patch?
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13:12.09ankurI ahve squid rc startup script now how can i decide in which runlevel i need to create symlink
13:12.24jm_ankur: you don't need to, Debian does that for you
13:12.49ankurjm_ : i am installing using source code.
13:12.53SimonRaveni_m_meen: use packages.debian.org as a guide then fetch them. make sure winblows doesn't download them as text (though it won't matter much once you copy the debs to a debian box)
13:12.54jm_ankur: don't
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13:13.42ankurjm_ : sorry. but didnt understand ?
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13:13.58jm_ankur: use packages provided by Debian
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13:14.08en1gmasup all
13:14.09i_m_meenSimonRaven: by hand? :( that's awful
13:14.13EnsignRedshirtHello, world.
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13:14.18en1gmaright now i have 2 sata drives in a raid0 stripe. i get 2 more matching drives that i want to add make it a 4 drive raid0 stripe...what i want to know is if i make a backup image of the 2 drive raid0 can i restore that image when i make the new array 4 drive raid0
13:14.32ILFi installed a fresh debian on an old k7 and wanna put that disk in my newer athlonxp box. completely different hardware. but this should not affect anthing, right? didn't load any extra modules or so
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13:15.31stylieen1gma: depends what the kernel are compiled against
13:15.34EnsignRedshirtIs a security update for Firefox in the works?  Or should I dump it and get 1.5.0.2 from mozilla.com?
13:15.40stylieif it's a 386 kernel, it should be ok
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13:16.00en1gmaim gonna use "true image 9.0" it says it backsup all OS
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13:16.04ILFit's a stock -k7 kernel which i ave both on the new and old box
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13:16.18en1gmait dont do it when your in the OS it does it from a boot cd
13:16.21xangemy eth0 device is confiured inside of interfaces and works with ifup/ifdown but if I leave for awhile and come back it seems that dhcp has run and I have a new ip (eth0 used to be configured with dhclient) where can I check to fix this?
13:16.28wlnetwhere is the debian repo for mplayer, pls?
13:16.33streunerILF: well, just use a knoppix-live-CD, boot that bitch, chroot it and install whatever kernel you live
13:16.39streuners/live/like/
13:16.49en1gmaim not talking about kernels
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13:17.10streunerwlnet: /msg dpkg mplayer
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13:17.32en1gmaim talking about backing up the whole (raid0 2 drives) to an image file then shutting computer off add 2 more drives to the raid0 array then restoring that image of the 2 drive raid0 setup
13:17.33stylieen1gma: but the kernel would propably be the point of failure, if it did not work
13:17.48stylieen1gma: ok
13:17.52en1gmahmmm
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13:19.03stylieen1gma: so you just wan't to backup the installed linux on your other computer, but not run the os from there... just keep it for a while, and then restore it later
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13:20.20i_m_meenis there no way to automate downloading selected packages and their deps for a system with no network connection?
13:20.34jengelhThe linux kernel got some patches so that you can enlarge RAID devices without restore. I am not sure if they were for RAID0 too...
13:20.46en1gmayea see im gonna a fresh debian install in a few mins (cause i might be able to save time now so i dont have to do it when i get the drives later on today) then make an image then later today when drives get here i will shut computer off add the 2 drives go into the raid manager delete my array then create a new array then shut computer off again then use true image 9.0 to restore that image i made earlier
13:20.53i_m_meenespecially for windows :-"
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13:21.23ne78Where can i found a dummy debian package (a sample) ?
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13:22.08azeemne78: the hello package
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13:24.06redmonkeyhi. is there a way to disable defoma? if yes, how?
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13:24.48EnnaNhi all
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13:25.27EnnaNanyone active here wants to help me with a little apt-get problem?
13:25.36abrotmanjust ask
13:25.37EnsignRedshirt!anyone
13:25.37dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
13:25.58nkuttlerredmonkey: uninstall it or look if it has an init script in /etc/init.d
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13:26.07EnnaNwell, that was direct. thought in stead of just dumping a guestion just starting at hello and such
13:26.09wlnetEnnaN: try me.
13:26.13EnnaNwell, again, learning moment
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13:27.03EnnaNwlnet: mysql client and server are being kept back. google helps me by saying over and over again i should use dist-upgrade, but that also "keeps back" these packages. any idea wat to check about why these upgrades are not working?
13:27.17werl^jobbwhere do i change the default directory for apache the current is apache2-default?
13:27.17EnnaN*what
13:27.37redmonkeynkuttler, if i try to deinstall it, apt-get wants to deinstall tons of other applications too. and no, it is not an init script
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13:27.45xangeanybody able to tell me where I can turn dhcp off for an interface? (not /etc/network/interfaces - already checked that)
13:27.56wlnetEnnaN: which version of debian r u using?
13:27.57abrotmanEnnaN: did you place them on hold?
13:27.59abrotman!u
13:27.59migmawerl^jobb: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default is the config file
13:27.59dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
13:28.00abrotman!r
13:28.00dpkgi heard r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html.  And it's "are", not "r"
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13:28.17EnnaNabrotman: not actively / on purpose..didn't know that feature even
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13:28.43abrotmanEnnaN: try to directly apt-get install the packages
13:28.43EnnaN@wlnet: newest testing
13:28.57EnnaNabrot: i tried that, did not work
13:29.02EnnaNstill being kep back
13:29.30abrotmanEnnaN: it's possible the package dependencies can't be satisfied
13:29.43wlnetstop all these rubbish. u want to control the way people ask question, the way people type. this is against free speech.
13:30.11EnnaNabrot: possibly: you know a place where i can check that?
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13:30.19EnnaNlogfile or somehting?
13:30.21EvilDinhay
13:30.31EvilDinhow to make give some user root rights
13:30.38EvilDinthat can use command sudo -s
13:30.49azeemEnsignRedshirt: feel free to fix the factoid
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13:30.54abrotmanEnnaN: if you hit tab on my nick .. i'll notice it
13:31.11abrotmanEnnaN: apt-cache depeneds <pkg> .. then check to make sure those depends are available
13:31.20abrotmanand make sure you spell depends correctly :)
13:31.22stylieEvilDin: visudo
13:31.49EnnaNabrotman: check@tab and ill try that@depends :)
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13:33.07EvilDinhow to install visudo
13:33.12wlnetEnnaN: i am also using 'testing' and i had downloaded mysql without any problem. try to update and upgrade first.
13:33.13EvilDinthere is no such package
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13:34.06EnsignRedshirtEvilDin: visudo is in the sudo package.
13:34.07redmonkey;D
13:34.13EvilDinyes
13:34.18EnnaNwlnet i did try that, and i know other ppl don't have that problem :) that's why i'm looking for places to find what's wrong. update, upgrade and dist-upgrade don't really work.. maybe it's because it depends on somthing (i dunno, kernelversion? udev? that's giving me some headaches) -> ill try to look into the dependencys
13:34.19Afrodebianitahi there
13:34.22aldomtnezhello every body!
13:34.27EvilDinbut why my first user can't use sudo -s
13:34.32EnnaNhi Afrodebianita / aldomtnez
13:34.32green_earzEvilDin: install the package sudo  and visudo is he command to edit the sudo config file
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13:34.58BanerHello, who can help with bnc and oidentd support? plz i want to make oidentd make ident from users ident on bnc, not the ident from the user who launched bnc server
13:34.59wlnetEnnaN: what err msg does apt-get give?
13:35.26EnnaNwlnet: none really. just the standard "have been kept back" msg
13:35.26EvilDini have sudo installed
13:35.30abrotmanEnnaN: your mirror could be out of sync .. apt-get update before any installation
13:35.43migma!plz
13:35.43dpkgsomebody said plz was german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it
13:35.46EnnaNabrotman i did update ofcourse
13:36.02wlnetEnnaN: did it not suggest the -f option?
13:36.23AfrodEBIANitaI'm checking on packages.debian.org that the current linux-image-2.6 package is 2.6.15-1 ... How can I know for how long has this been the kernel version for the package ? I mean ... they jumped from 2.6.14 or from 2.6.13 or from 2.6.whatever ?
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13:36.29aldomtnezany body help me with my webcam.... please
13:36.38EnnaNwlnet i might. don't remember. i do remember idid that :)
13:36.53aldomtnezi'm using debian sarge
13:36.58EvilDinam what should be here added to this suderus
13:36.59EvilDinroot ALL=(ALL) ALL
13:36.59AfrodEBIANitasorry
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13:37.03EvilDinthere is only this
13:37.07EnnaNwlnet i meant that it might have said that, but at least i did try it
13:37.11AfrodEBIANitaI'm checking on packages.debian.org that the current linux-image-2.6 package is 2.6.15-1 for TESTING ... How can I know for how long has this been the kernel version for the package ? I mean ... they jumped from 2.6.14 or from 2.6.13 or from 2.6.whatever ?
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13:37.22EvilDini want that root can't be accessed by any ip
13:37.33EvilDini wan't that root can be used only be special users
13:37.42EvilDinwith command sudo -s
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13:38.14aldomtnezit's a MY120, when i do
13:38.15aldomtnezcat /dev/video0
13:38.21AfrodEBIANitasorry I found it
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13:38.33aldomtnezi see changes in the promt
13:38.34EnnaNbefore i get slapped again for not obeying rules: pastes should go in #flood, rigth? wanted to past the depends  of  the ysql-server pacakge
13:38.53aldomtnezbut. if i call camorama
13:38.55azeemEnnaN: or to a pastebin
13:39.00wlnetEnnaN: is your installation purely 'testing', no 'stable' or 'unstable' or non-debian?
13:39.04aldomtnezreturn me one error!
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13:39.23EnnaNwlnet: i started stable. no unstalbe or nondebian though
13:39.32aldomtnezcloud not connect to video device (/dev/video0)
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13:39.55EnnaNabrotman: the only depends of that pacakge is Depends: mysql-server-5.0
13:39.59aldomtnezplease check conection
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13:40.43kspath!tell EnnaN about paste
13:40.49EnnaNi'm still using an old(er) kernel (2.6.8, no udev) because new kernelupgrade stops at boottime. could that be the problem?
13:41.01EnnaNthanks for  that kspath
13:41.46jm_EnnaN: well then you have to check dependencies for mysql-server-5.0
13:41.54EvilDinso
13:42.00EvilDinanyone help here?
13:42.24kspath!tell EvilDin about ask
13:42.40EvilDini make question ones
13:42.44EnnaNjmp_ hmm, i couldhave thought about that :) that gives an conflict with the mysql-server4.1
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13:42.57EnnaNshould i remove 4.1 and reainstall 5??
13:43.01EnnaNseems a bit harsh
13:43.12jm_EnnaN: that's normal, and apt-get install foo should automatically remove conflicting package
13:43.15EvilDini need to edit somehow suders and add user dean to have permission to run sudo -s
13:43.20jm_but I have to run now
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13:44.02kspathEvilDin: Did you read man sudo?
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13:44.24EvilDinyes
13:44.27EvilDini don't get it
13:44.28EvilDin:P
13:44.29kspathEvilDin: Did you look for an sudoers configuration file?
13:44.42EvilDinyes
13:44.46wlnetEnnaN: I had mysql installed and working with kernel-2.6.8 without any problem. I started a new installation with kernel-2.6.15 and installed mysql without any problem either.
13:44.59EvilDinonly this in root ALL=(ALL) ALL
13:45.37kspathEvilDin: Maybe someone can paste in a sed command to alter yours based on the information you are giving.
13:45.44EnnaNwlnet: strange. which version is it? it runs fine (4.1) but the update (apperantly 5.0) doesn't want to install
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13:46.23abrotmanEnnaN: you will have to follow the depends down .. what does mysql-server-5.0 depend on?
13:46.37EvilDinam what
13:46.38wlneti suggest you use synaptic to look at all your packages and look out for not-fully installed packages.
13:46.44EnnaNmaybe it is better that before i start relaly diggin, i backup my databases. is thare a quick way to backup those? (shall i paste the depends of that in #flood?)
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13:46.58abrotmanapt-get would tell him if some package wasn't fully installed
13:47.12abrotmanEnnaN: the mysql manual will tell you how to back up your databases
13:47.24EnnaNall check that first then
13:47.57kspathEvilDin: Have you considered using a search engine to find a page with howtos regarding sudo?
13:48.07wlnetEnnaN: sorry, can't help you.
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13:48.21EnnaNwlnet well, have some idea at least (depends checking)
13:48.25EvilDini now that something has to be added to sudoers but i don't know what
13:48.35EnnaNso ill start that, and then go via backuping the tables to more playing
13:48.37EnnaNtnx
13:48.38EnnaNow wait
13:48.44EnnaNthere's gonna be a dpkg wine about that
13:48.47kspathEvilDin: know as in understanding?  or now as in time?
13:48.49EnnaN'thanks" i mean ofcourse
13:48.53EnnaN!tnx
13:48.53dpkgReally, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it?
13:48.57EnnaNhaha i new it
13:49.05EnnaN"Thank you" it is then
13:49.13EvilDinknow :)
13:49.34kspathEnnaN: gnu is not new      new is not now    now is not know
13:50.06EnnaNexcuse me for not being a native speaker
13:50.09kspathEnnaN: I knew it.
13:50.11EnnaNi you didn't understand that
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13:50.18EnnaNread harder
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13:51.12kspathEnnaN: I am trying to help. You did not require excusing. I am not a native speaker either. In fact I have never been to England.
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13:51.44EnnaNAh, punctuation has started. good. I missed that in your previous statement.
13:52.01kspathEnnaN: .
13:52.05zrindoes etch with 2.6.15 use devfs?
13:52.34kspathzrin: require? support?
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13:53.59GyrosGeierhi
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13:54.01kspathMatBoy: There were buttons options some people use. I am ignorant of that ability.
13:54.19GyrosGeierdoes anyone remember the old days, before CD-ROMs?
13:54.26Tchiakthanks zrin
13:54.37kspathMatBoy: There might be options in Xorg or XFree86.
13:54.41Tchiakgyros.. you mean when 5 1/4" drives ruled the world?
13:55.01GyrosGeierI need to reinstall a system with just that, no CD-ROM. Any good ideas how to do that with the least amount of pain?
13:55.13Tchiakget to 3.5" floppy disks
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13:55.19kspathGyrosGeier: serial interface?
13:55.19Tchiakand do a floppy install
13:55.22Tchiakthen over da net
13:55.37GyrosGeierTchiak, did I mention: no net
13:55.45Tchiako_o
13:55.56Tchiakthat would be kinda hard
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13:56.10eren_guys
13:56.11GyrosGeierit has USB though, and I have a bluetooth USB dongle
13:56.17eren_where is the apt.conf :S
13:56.22eren_i couldnt find it :S
13:56.25kspathTchiak: different is not equal to hard. I do agree that it might not be fun the first time.
13:56.35GyrosGeierand a box next to it that talks bluetooth as well
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13:57.17kspathGyrosGeier: how are you going to support the bluetooth with no driver/OS ?
13:57.35C`AlexaHello i have question ( how i can change port " sendmail " ? 25 ?
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13:58.17eren_who can help ? where is the apt.conf file or apt configuration ?
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13:58.54kspathC`Alexa: You want sendmail to listen on a different port? Have you considered studying sendmail and/or #sendmail ?  Did you check your sendmail configs?
13:59.06EnnaNeren_ you mean the file with the update servers?
13:59.26C`Alexa:((
13:59.33elephantManHi all
13:59.34GyrosGeierkspath, that is the part where it is "interesting"
13:59.35C`Alexakspath i don't find sendmail.conf : 25
13:59.36uweum, can someone give a good quick guide to LVM in debian ... ive set 3 out of 4 harddisks to use LVM and some of the fourth disk ... but i cant see then in df !!
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13:59.41elephantManI have a network printer
14:00.01kspathC`Alexa: Do you want it to send to a different port other than port 25 rather than the daemon listening on port 25?
14:00.02elephantManTo be able to use it via computer on the network, do i have to enable SMB or not ?
14:00.05*** join/#debian fixxxer (n=aavelar@201.127.81.89)
14:00.25elephantManOr does the fact there is an IP on it is enough ?
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14:00.58kspathGyrosGeier: If your board supports booting of a USBthumb drive or other USB drive you might be able to use that.
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14:01.24EvilDinam how to denie ssh login for root user
14:01.26eren_EnnaN: not source.list, i'm finding apt.conf file, i'm reading documents about apt & /etc/apt/apt.conf is not exist
14:02.02eren_& = and :)
14:02.09kspathEvilDin: deny    there is an option you can put into sshd.conf  it tends to be in place by default
14:02.11Tchiakit's also a dereference
14:02.18Tchiakin some cases
14:02.53EvilDinwhere is sshd.conf
14:02.56GyrosGeierkspath, it's a Dell Inspiron 3000 with a broken CD-ROM; the BIOS only supports floppy, cd-rom and harddisk. :-/
14:03.02EnnaNeren_ : the manpage says it should be at  /etc/apt/apt.conf
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14:03.17SimonRavenEvilDin: PermitRootLogin no ; /etc/ssh/sshd_config
14:03.22jengelh<PROTECTED>
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14:03.24EvilDinaha
14:03.25EvilDin:D
14:03.26kspathGyrosGeier: get a cdrom    they are ultra cheap and are all over the place
14:03.31EvilDintnx
14:03.35roadfishwhat does the shpchp module do? and how do I get documentation on the various Linux modules?
14:03.41C`AlexaStarting Mail Transport Agent: sendmailstart-stop-daemon: stat /usr/sbin/sendmail-mta: No such file or directory
14:03.41C`Alexa/etc/init.d/sendmail: line 250: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory
14:03.57SimonRavenEvilDin: don't put the ;
14:04.09eren_jengelh: file is not exist, in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d directory only one file exist -> 70debconf
14:04.25roadfishdpkg shpchp
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14:04.51kspathEvilDin: Are you aware of /etc   there are MANY config files in there. Perhaps you can browse it and get to know what is in there.
14:05.08SimonRavenEvilDin: next time try man command_or_file_name
14:05.14EvilDinok
14:05.16roadfishdpkg: shpchp
14:05.17EvilDinnext thing
14:05.22GyrosGeierkspath, the Inspiron series are laptops. :-P
14:05.25EvilDinhow to make one simple firewall
14:05.35EvilDini need only control of ports
14:05.51EvilDinso that i can make ports open or closed
14:06.06kspathGyrosGeier: If it is not in warranty than you can open it if you know enough. If it is in warranty than have them fix it.
14:06.34redmonkeyEvilDin, man iptables
14:06.41kspathEvilDin: firestarter might be your speed.
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14:07.06EvilDinam does it run in shell invairment
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14:07.25GyrosGeierkspath, Pentium MMX 200 => probably no warranty
14:07.33epsilonEvilDin: search for iptables-GUI, if you don't want to read the iptables manual
14:07.38yggdrasilcan somone tell me the cmd to add a route to go from eth0  (lan) to ath0 (wan) ? trying to make a gatweay box here
14:07.48SimonRavenEvilDin: see the topic in #iptables
14:07.51GyrosGeierkspath, and it is a broken motor, I'm pretty sure.
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14:08.15C`Alexastart-stop-daemon: stat /usr/sbin/sendmail-mta: No such file or directory
14:08.15C`Alexa/etc/init.d/sendmail: line 250: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory
14:08.16epsilonyggdrasil: man route didn't help?
14:08.16C`Alexawhy?
14:08.17lzhanghow do I diff all files in two folders
14:08.18nono31hi
14:08.26yggdrasilepsilon its confusing
14:08.27azeemlzhang: diff -R
14:08.32nono31anyone have problems to dpkg-buildpackage nvidia-kernel today?
14:08.35yggdrasilepsilon ill try it gain
14:08.41lzhangazeem: thanks
14:08.52azeemeh
14:08.53azeemdiff -r
14:08.59epsilonyggdrasil: route isn't confusing
14:09.02azeemdiff -Naur dir1 dir2 works betst
14:09.13JonJHey, I've just installed the bcm43xx driver, and I got it almost working, except I have to run dhclient manually every time I boot up. I have this in my /etc/network/interfaces: iface eth1 inet dhcp wireless-essid 3Com auto eth1   shouldn't this make eth1 the default "auto" device, and not eth0?
14:09.23kspathEvilDin: environment? firestarter is mostly GUI but has shell interfaces.
14:09.44SimonRavenNDN needs food badly
14:09.54yggdrasilepsilon am i on the right track here... im trying to get out thru my gateway box
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14:10.19SimonRavenC`Alexa: because it doesn't exist ...
14:10.21EvilDini need something like ubuntu has, ubuntu-firewall, all in one script, and you simple add ports and it worked
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14:10.31C`AlexaSimonRaven how i can fix it?
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14:10.40EvilDinif debian has sth like this
14:10.45EvilDinwould be really great
14:11.10tarzeauabrotman: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ i have the formulas in now...
14:11.19tarzeauabrotman: i'll add the reverting of sort soon
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14:11.28abrotmantarzeau: what? i get no thanks?!?!!
14:11.31kspathEvilDin: sth ?
14:11.32redmonkeyEvilDin, why did yout change to debian?
14:11.39tarzeauabrotman: i've found a nice star.gif any idea where to put stars in?
14:11.42tarzeauabrotman: thanks
14:11.49abrotmantarzeau: stars for what?
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14:11.50tarzeauabrotman: thank you, bitch!
14:11.53EvilDini am testing, and i heard that debian has longer support :P
14:12.02EvilDinthe main server is still runing ubuntu
14:12.04EvilDin:P
14:12.11abrotmanso go ask them? or
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14:12.12abrotman!iptables
14:12.12dpkghmm... iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2..  NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes)  See also: masq, or try #iptables for help
14:12.15abrotmanLEARN something
14:12.17Roninserver running ubuntu? interesting choice
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14:12.26abrotmanRonin: dumb choice ...
14:12.54SimonRavenC`Alexa: i've never used sendmail. missing packages?
14:13.04EvilDinit works great, but now have free pc and i make some researches, what will be the ultimo for linux system :P
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14:13.16kspathEvilDin: There are dozens of ways to do firewalling for linux. Perhaps easy is what you feel is easy. Perhaps study would be the your best long term solution.
14:13.42eren_who can give me testing/unstable server ??
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14:13.56tarzeaueren_: telnet linuks.mine.nu
14:14.01C`AlexaSimonRaven how in can install corectly sendmail can u tell me corectly commands & packets?
14:14.07EvilDinyes but there are so many confugurations for interfaces and all unimportant things for me
14:14.11Roninabrotman: thats what i meant but i got called elitest asshole once today so im trying a new approach
14:14.12stylieEvilDin: guarddoh or wallfire
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14:14.15C`AlexaSimonRaven plzz }{
14:14.19stylies/doh/dog
14:14.22abrotmanRonin: you are canadian ...
14:14.34cirea friend and me are creating a private and non-profit homepage. We wrote a forum and want to add those graphical emoticons (smileys etc.). Is it allowed to use those from ICQ or Kopete, or do we have to draw them ourselves? Or are there free ones?
14:14.36Roninabrotman: true so theyre right i am elite :)
14:14.49abrotmanRonin: best darn snow herders in the world!
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14:15.03kspathC`Alexa: If you can not read man pages and online howtos perhaps you would be better off with exim or postfix.
14:15.08styliecire: can't you use those from psi
14:15.24SimonRavenC`Alexa: i don't know what you need. ask someone else.
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14:15.55ZugschlusC`Alexa: Do not install exim (or any other MTA) if you're not willing to read the docs
14:16.01cirestylie: I don't know what psi is.
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14:16.15cireBut the question remains: is it allowed to take those smileys from icq or kopete?
14:16.35tarzeaucire: talksoup.app has free ones
14:16.40C`AlexaSimonRaven, how i can chnage port 25 in sendmail?
14:16.41Tchiakcire that' something you should ask a lawyer :P
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14:17.07SimonRavencire: psi is a qt jabber client
14:17.19kspathC`Alexa: Do you know enough to know if it is related to sending or receiving?
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14:17.23cireSimonRaven: thank you, I just asked dpkg ;)
14:17.38SimonRavencire: apt-cache show psi
14:17.51kspathC`Alexa: Did you consider that not knowing enough about email is a good reason not to run an MTA?
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14:18.39SimonRavenyes. you should have a decent grounding in at the very least the basics before you go messing around with things.
14:18.47Tchiakkspath: when you click send magic faryies take the email and deliver it to my friends tv box... right?
14:19.04SimonRavenit's hard work at times, but very rewarding
14:19.22kspathTchiak: mine says majik fairies. must be a different version.
14:19.50SimonRavenkspath: ther ewas an update recently. D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D
14:20.01kspathSimonRaven: understood
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14:20.11SimonRavensorry about the contro lchars ...
14:20.14lzhangYou do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.8-2-386 kernel installed.  <=== how do I fix this?
14:20.24jpdpTchaik: nooo, anything but the AT/B!  You might chip a fleck of paint off! :)
14:20.33Tchiakinstall the sources and headers for 2.6.8-2-386
14:20.45SimonRavenkspath: they're up to version 13.5.faryies
14:21.01SimonRavenlzhang: you install them
14:21.02lzhangTchiak: is it an apt-get?
14:21.02Tchiakjpdp: i swear you can run over these things with a car and they still work
14:21.12SimonRaven!installit
14:21.12dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
14:21.23Tchiaklzhang: use aptitude and search for kernel-source and kernel-headers
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14:21.33lzhangthanks will do
14:21.34Tchiakdownload the packages that have the same version as your kernel
14:21.53SimonRavenlinux-* if on etch
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14:22.25jpdpTchaik: I still have a few of them around.  Never modified them for PS/2 usage though...
14:22.38Tchiakjpdp: I have an adapter :P
14:22.48SimonRaveno/~ here comes the feds again, raining on my feed like a bad smell o/~
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14:23.08Tchiakjpdp: i was just thinking about making an PCI card that allowed you to hook it up normally :P
14:23.18jpdpTchaik: =)
14:23.33jpdpTchaik: I'd love to see a USB modded AT/B :)
14:23.40Tchiako_O
14:23.42Tchiakit could be done
14:23.53jpdpTchaik: Steel springs, and a sane protocol...
14:24.04Tchiakfirst convert the AT Interfaced into PS/2 then convert that into USB protocol
14:24.08jpdpTchaik: THAT would be a keyboard for the ages :)
14:24.13Tchiakthey have each one individually
14:24.22Tchiakyou just need to string them together :P
14:24.36SimonRavenor have it dual ps/2 and usb ;p
14:24.43Tchiako_O
14:24.48Tchiaknow your just getting silly simonRAven
14:24.58Tchiakok..
14:25.04Tchiakmy system is now 100% linux
14:25.08jpdpTchaik: "But does it work with a KVM" :)
14:25.17Tchiakall disks are now either ext3 or reiser
14:25.32wdamnHi, anyone ever used mon?
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14:25.44wdamnfor monitoring freespace
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14:25.47lzhangso what exactly are the kernel headers? are they not a part of the base system?
14:25.51Tchiakit should.. i didn't have a problem running a usb mouse with a USB-> ps/2 adapter
14:26.10SimonRavenTchiak: well yeh, humour helps alleviate the stress =)
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14:26.41Tchiaki still want this one keybaord that has been in preproduction for forever
14:26.53Tchiakit uses oled's on the keys to display keysets
14:26.58SimonRaven198.103.249.251
14:27.06Tchiakand it's supposed to be linux compatible as well
14:27.11Tchiakwith an SDK to modify how it works :P
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14:29.14GyrosGeierw00t
14:29.26GyrosGeierthe d-i floppy can hanlde the root floppy being on an USB stick
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14:30.07POVaddctGyrosGeier: how to you boot a floppy image off an usb stick? memdisk?
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14:31.51GyrosGeierPOVaddct, no idea yet
14:32.19GyrosGeierPOVaddct, the interesting thing is though, that booting root.bin off a floppy asks for either root.bin on a floppy, or an USB stick
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14:32.40azeemGyrosGeier: you boot root.bin?
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14:33.13azeemI thought you boot another .bin, and then it either finds an ISO on an usb stick or asks for a root.bin
14:33.33abrotmanthere used to be root and boot .bin
14:33.35GyrosGeierazeem, boot.bin
14:33.37GyrosGeierazeem, exactly.
14:33.45GyrosGeierazeem, but what needs to be on the USB stick?
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14:34.19DutchFishanyone can point me to setup a antispam relay based on Sarge?
14:34.33POVaddctGyrosGeier: i guess the content of root.bin must be on the usb stick
14:34.44azeemGyrosGeier: AFAIK, you can just put the netinst ISO on it
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14:34.58azeemas a file, and it will loop mount it and start from there
14:35.05azeemwell, for sarge that is
14:35.25GyrosGeierazeem, yep, I#m installing sarge, and I have a 1GiB USB 1.1 stick :-P
14:35.26emssHello, anyone able to install NVIDIA drivers for a Legacy gpu on a Debian "unstable" 2.6.15 box? (Legacy in this case a quadro gpu)
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14:35.44GyrosGeierhm
14:35.50GyrosGeierI wonder what else would work
14:36.19GyrosGeierbecause I'm behind dialup, and while I have a full set of CDs, I don't have a netinst CD.
14:36.33azeemmaybe a full CD1 works as well?
14:36.42azeemI see no reason why it shouldn't, if the stick is big enough
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14:37.00GyrosGeierhmm
14:37.02DutchFishazeem, yes
14:37.17GyrosGeierany particular name the file should have?
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14:37.21DutchFishazeem, i inet-installed once from 1st cd
14:37.59azeemGyrosGeier: hrm
14:38.11azeemjust use the one from cdimage.d.o
14:38.14azeemI'd say
14:38.37azeemdebian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso or so
14:38.51DutchFishazeem, r2?
14:39.02azeemr2 ISOs are not released yet
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14:39.17DutchFishazeem, ic
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14:40.00disposableif i want ssh to use keys it has stored instead of supplying password each time, which switch should i use?
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14:40.15DutchFishbtw install from usb stick only works if it is fat32 formatted
14:40.32DutchFishand bios is not broken on usb boot
14:40.50pharmdisposable: run the ssh-agent in your session to store the passwords for your keys...
14:40.56a-atwooddisposable: actually as long as they are in ~/.ssh and named the default name, you need no switch at all
14:41.00cireI want to mount a ftp-filesystem with ftpfs. I am searching for the correct syntax, because there are a lot of possibilities when searching in google. What I tried is "mount -t ftpfs ftp://10.1.0.1 /mnt" "mount -t ftpfs 10.1.0.1 /mnt" "mount -t ftpfs //10.1.0.1 /mnt" etc. Do you know what might work?
14:41.19a-atwoodoh, that is assuming no pw on the keys.
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14:41.29a-atwoodbasically, if they have the machine, they own you anyway
14:41.40DutchFishcire, why not moount it through s-tunnel?
14:42.08a-atwooddisposable: if you want to keep them pw'ed, then yes, ssh-agent is the way to go.
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14:42.23cireDutchFish: My digital receiver only supports nfs or ftpfs or cifs (or something like that).
14:42.31disposablea-atwood, pharm, thank you, i'll have a look at it
14:42.49DutchFishcire, if security is not an issue cifs i would prefer (easiest)
14:43.20wdamnHi, anyone ever used mon for freespace?
14:43.26emsscire, man ftpfs?
14:43.28cireDutchFish: Do I have to install a server for that? Thing is: We have a ftp server, and I don't want to install additional stuff.
14:43.28a-atwooddisposable: syntax is "export `ssh-agent` to put the right environment variables out ther
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14:43.48DaBladeis there an apt/dpkg command to reinstall a specific application?
14:43.52disposablea-atwood, ok
14:44.01DutchFishcire, my best bet is your reiver is smb server, so only a client is needed?
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14:44.21gpmhey guys, the fixed font is in xfonts-base right?
14:44.27DutchFishcire, ie smbclient
14:44.41cireoh, this would be great!
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14:45.07DutchFishcire, easy to check this out with a windows based machine. It should connect out of the box
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14:45.32DutchFishcire, if it is, install the smbclient and man smbclient for connection setup
14:45.36DaBladeHello? :)
14:46.06DutchFishcire, you will be up and running in minutes
14:46.40pharmdisposable: the use-ssh-agent in /etc/X11/Xsession.options might also be of interest.
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14:47.22cireDutchFish: I also think so. Thank you.
14:47.29DutchFishcire, yw
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14:49.29miki2anyone cen help me? when im typing 'make menuconfig' im getting some error without description wich says smth like this(my translation): 'make: *** No rules to execute object 'menuconfig'. Stop.'
14:50.01DutchFishmiki2 you are trying to compile kernel or something else?
14:50.21miki2kernel
14:50.41DutchFishmiki2, what OS?
14:50.59DutchFishmiki2, and what kernel?
14:51.03miki2debian 2.4.27 , compiling linux-2.6.16.9
14:51.14azeemmiki2: do you have libncurses-dev installed?
14:51.25azeemor whatever it's called
14:51.30SimonRavenncurse5*
14:51.37SimonRavenncurses5 even
14:51.46miki2got ncurses, i already compiled other kernels
14:51.50miki2on 2.4.27
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14:52.01miki2xconfig
14:52.03miki2config
14:52.07miki2all show same error
14:52.12miki2maybe im missing some libs?
14:52.21miki2but it would show that im missing deb packages, yup?
14:52.28DutchFishmiki2, is this on Srage?
14:52.34DutchFishmiki2, Sarge*
14:52.36miki2yes, currently its sarge
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14:52.42Eulexmiki2, is there a Makefile in the directory you're executing make in?
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14:52.50redmonkeymiki2, are you in the right directory? (/usr/src/linux)
14:53.08miki2eulex: i pointed linux-2.6.16.9 to linux dir, as always
14:53.24miki2and im trying to run in either usr/src/ or usr/src/linux
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14:54.05Eulexmiki2, what about answering my question?
14:54.36davi_What package must I install to read rightly with FireFox the characters of this web page: http://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp?tranword=hunt&dict=enes&B=Buscar
14:54.56miki2Eulex: not really, only linux-2.6.16.9 direcotry
14:54.58davi_hunt [h?nt]
14:54.59miki2direcotry
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14:56.41Eulexmiki2, if there's no makefile, make doesn't work. you need to be in the right directory, that is, the linux-2.6.16.9
14:56.50DigitalXpertI cant get USB devices to work, what packages do I need to install.  I'm on Debian Sarge stable.
14:57.11EulexDigitalXpert, you need to mount them
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14:57.35miki2Eulex: mmm, but i did it just like i wrote before with other kernels and it was working
14:58.07DigitalXpertthere is no usb in the dev folder
14:58.35miki2DigitalXpert: what mobo and kernel?
14:58.54miki2i had similar problems, so i know a bit about some
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14:59.18DigitalXpert2.6.8-3-k7
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14:59.23EulexDigitalXpert, that's perfectly right.
14:59.31EulexDigitalXpert, there shouldn't be any
14:59.39DigitalXpertmobo should be fine, usb worked when the box ran windows
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15:00.00DigitalXpertwhat kernel should I run
15:00.08miki2DigitalXpert: but diff mobos need diff usb drivers, uhci ohci ehci
15:00.09uwedoes anyone know what i should install to get /etc/init.d/functions ?
15:00.37miki2anyway i dont know any k7 mobo so u dont need to type
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15:00.51mick_workanyone messed w/ linux and biometrics?
15:01.29mick_worki see no info on it whatsoever - only thing (that doesn't exist anymore) was http://linuxbiometrics.com/
15:01.45GyrosGeiermick_work, I get paid to work on that
15:02.10GyrosGeiermick_work, there is not much because Linux people know it doesn't work
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15:02.47redmonkeyDigitalXpert, I usually mount my usb devices with the /dev/sdaN device. maybe this helps a little
15:02.52EulexDigitalXpert, the /dev/sXN devices, where X is a, b, c, d etc and N is a number, are used for usb devices.
15:02.59davi_What package to get  'pronunciation' fonts ?.  Example:  hunt [h?nt]  Ref.: http://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp?tranword=hunt&dict=enes&B=Buscar
15:03.31SimonRavendavi_: dude, in ITA '?' is valid
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15:03.59jazbo2187Anyone know of a good program to digitize plots?
15:04.05SimonRavenbut, i'll go see what you keep pasting here
15:04.12davi_SimonRaven   this xterm does not show the accurate character :)
15:04.12thingfishdavi_: apt-cache search phonetic
15:04.20davi_thanks thingfish
15:04.25Eulexdavi, the correct name is IPA font. apt-cache search ipa ttf
15:04.42davi_thanks Eulex & thingfish
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15:04.55DigitalXpertyea I dont even have any sXN devices
15:04.55pabs3anyone know if there is a way (under xorg) to map a function key (F1/F2/etc) to a series of keys (Ctrl+A then Del then Ctrl+S then Ctrl+W)?
15:05.05abrotman!keymap
15:05.10abrotmanxmodmap ?
15:05.17abrotmanoh .. a series .. no idea
15:05.18Eulexhmm, this is strange
15:05.27abrotmandpkg: hi
15:05.29dpkgTo change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data".  To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx
15:05.29dpkghi, abrotman
15:05.42SimonRavendavi_: it's showing as a fricking box here too
15:05.42abrotmanpabs3: might be a better question for #xorg ?
15:05.51SimonRavenEulex: duh, thanks, IPA, not ITA
15:06.10pabs3abrotman: asked there, no answer
15:06.21SimonRaven&#652;
15:06.21abrotmanbastards!
15:06.25abrotmanpabs3: #freedesktop ?
15:06.33Eulexttf-unicode has the following description: "Description: a Unicode font for medievalists (Latin, IPA and Runic)". though it doesn't turn up when doing apt-cache search ipa ttf
15:06.34abrotmanpabs3: or maybe a channel for your desktop?
15:06.47pabs3abrotman: will try, thanks
15:06.59mick_workGyrosGeier, really? :-(
15:07.00abrotmanpabs3: i'm not sure you could do that .. though you could probably trigger a script that would echo the characters?
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15:07.15mick_workGyrosGeier, any that do work?
15:07.21GyrosGeiermick_work, not really
15:07.31Eulexanyway, I'm afk
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15:07.44SimonRavenen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_back_unrounded_vowel
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15:08.30GyrosGeiermick_work, for example, if you tune face recognition so that it only has .0002 percent false acceptance, then you get a 50% chance at a false rejection
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15:09.12SimonRavenw00t
15:09.29GyrosGeiermick_work, for fingerprints, it is even worse
15:09.34SimonRavenwas easy, i just stuck &#652; in a web search
15:09.39PhoenixManhi. My dad is trying to install Linux on his laptop (while shouting "IE rox IE rox" and generally thinking "Fuck that 25% that uses other browsers besides IE on my website which displays incorrectly on FireFox!")
15:09.54PhoenixManHe has a Toshiba laptop with a Toshiba harddrive and I dunno anything else.
15:10.02PhoenixManIs there a Debian version or something to make it work with his HD?
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15:10.30tarzeauEulex: you mean ttf-junicode?
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15:13.15MrBond82Can anyone recommend a good free cross-platform video streaming server that I can run in linux?
15:13.44azeemflumotion?
15:13.47azeemoh, free
15:13.50MrBond82:)
15:14.00azeemdunno if flumotion is free, maybe it is freeware
15:14.18abrotmanMrBond82: you mean the codec has to be free .. right ?
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15:14.32abrotmanMrBond82: i thought theora had a streaming server .. could be wrong
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15:14.42stray_is helix free?
15:14.49MrBond82abrotman-- the server package for linux has to be fre, and the codec has to be free
15:14.58tarzeaustray_: no
15:15.02abrotmanstray_: not even close
15:15.04debian!last helix
15:15.05tarzeaustray_: you mean helix ?
15:15.06abrotman!helixplayer
15:15.07dpkgit has been said that helix player is the Helix Community's GTK2-based open source media player, in Sid and Sarge. apt-get install helix-player or https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/
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15:15.28rubyyhttp://bigtitsroundasses.bangbros1.com/gal/298/p/bavideopost/  http://www.sog10.com/gallery01/c2100k/index.html
15:15.34debian!seen helix
15:15.35dpkghelix is currently on #debian #debian-ops.  Has said a total of 1 messages.  Is idling for 15h 7m 5s
15:15.39abrotmanstray_: https://helix-server.helixcommunity.org/
15:15.45abrotmantarzeau: https://helix-server.helixcommunity.org/
15:15.52tarzeauabrotman: yes, it's not free. it's crap
15:15.53abrotmanMrBond82: ^^
15:15.56stray_ok ok
15:16.00azeemtarzeau: why is not free?
15:16.01MrBond82helix looks promising
15:16.22tarzeauazeem: ok maybe the player is, but not the codecs, and what about the latest security update of real? didn't flow into helix
15:16.23SimonRavenazeem: saw that?
15:16.26abrotmantarzeau: i think it is free
15:16.30tarzeauMrBond82: yeah helix looks nice
15:16.32abrotmantarzeau: it can stream more than RM
15:16.37tarzeauhelix: photo?
15:16.41abrotmanMrBond82: http://theora.org/
15:16.43azeemSimonRaven: saw what?
15:16.46tarzeauabrotman: i think it sucks
15:17.06SimonRavenazeem: the spammer
15:17.08azeemtarzeau: just because you think it sucks doesn't make it non-free
15:17.21azeemah
15:17.33SimonRaven:)
15:17.37MrBond82theora looks awesome it has a built in java player
15:17.47abrotmantarzeau: why .. because it's not GNUStep ?
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15:17.57SimonRavenabrotman: yup
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15:18.09tarzeauabrotman: because it's gnome and can't play shit
15:18.10PhoenixManWe have a Toshiba M70-135 laptop. We wish to install Debian on it. Would it work with the full installation?
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15:18.24SimonRaventhanks
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15:19.50abrotmanazeem: that was quick
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15:20.03abrotmantarzeau: oddly .. it works pretty well .. i suspect you've never tried it :)
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15:21.05madclicker"begin: waiting for root file system" my server wont boot, f-in etch
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15:21.20k31thHow do i setup linux to use NTP (from the cmd line) i want to use a server not run one.
15:21.32abrotman!ntp
15:21.33dpkgfrom memory, ntp is the Network Time Protocol.  Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage.  Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already.  (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.)  See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.
15:21.33StevieAt the sound of the ping the time will be Thu Apr 20 11:21:32 2006 *ping*
15:21.34stray_PhoenixMan: there is no 'full' debian per se. maybe try one of the 'debian like' liveCDs that are around instead.
15:21.46abrotman!ntp
15:21.46dpkgit has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol.  Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage.  Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already.  (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.)  See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.
15:21.56abrotmani was waiting to see if Stevie would do that again
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15:22.14abrotmanmorse code!
15:22.17debiank31th: why dont you just use ntpdate
15:22.20azeemhelo
15:22.20Stevie250 Stevie
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15:22.28abrotmanstupid bot?
15:22.41azeemnah, he talks sometimes IIRC
15:22.43azeemstupid scripts
15:22.44k31thdebian: ntpdate ntp.timeserver.blah ?
15:22.45abrotmani know ..
15:22.50abrotmanbut the scripts shouldn't do that
15:22.54abrotmank31th: no .. use pool.ntp.org
15:23.06k31thabrotman: i know
15:23.08DA_must be triggering on "time"
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15:23.27k31th20 Apr 15:58:54 ntpdate[7700]: no server suitable for synchronization found
15:23.28debiank31th: yes, and once install it'll run as service
15:23.30juice`is there any tool to check hard disk bad sectors? i can't find any
15:23.38abrotmank31th: any firewalls?
15:23.44k31thah shit yes
15:23.46juice`i found testdisk but its partition dependand, and i dont have filesystem listed there
15:23.52k31thdawn stupid porxy thing
15:23.54k31thproxy
15:24.00k31thi guess im screwed then ?
15:24.14abrotmank31th: how did you get here?
15:24.34SimonRavenk31th: you'll still need to run the ntpd to fetch updates. run one on each on your LAN, ease the load off the pool serversD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[4~ by updating from your main machine
15:24.35myboxenjuice`: scsi or ide?
15:24.44tarzeauabrotman: it can not bake lemon cake!
15:24.55SimonRavenwoops, sorry
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15:25.03k31thSimonRaven: only outgoing is http https
15:25.11k31thso i guess ill just have to set it by hand.
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15:25.18abrotmantarzeau: neither can you
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15:25.32SimonRavenk31th: ssh tunnel?
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15:25.47tarzeauabrotman: my secretary can
15:25.49stray_k31th, there's a util that query's with http to the (http) server's time; as the next best thing.
15:25.53abrotmantarzeau: so?
15:25.53Tayrahttp://bigtitsroundasses.bangbros1.com/gal/298/p/bavideopost/  http://www.sog10.com/gallery01/c2100k/index.html
15:25.56abrotmanoh ffs
15:26.03juice`myboxen: sata
15:26.09abrotman!ops tayra spamming
15:26.09dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: tayra spamming
15:26.25juice`myboxen: scsi tools doesnt work for it though
15:26.33juice`myboxen: so i dont know... maybe SATA is IDE ?
15:26.33myboxenright they wont
15:26.37mentorWas tha ta Kline?
15:26.41debian): is op as well?
15:26.49abrotmanmentor: no ..please ban the IP .. keeps coming back
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15:27.09davi_Eulex & thingfish, I have installed fonts-intl-phonetic, xfonts-tipa, etc.,  and restarted FireFox, but I get the wrong character-box in this page: http://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp?tranword=Lobby&dict=enes&B=Buscar   Any advice?
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15:27.34juice`myboxen: so any idea what tool i can use for SATA ? i have XFS file system
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15:27.49SimonRaveni suspect that's the idjit that lilo keeps talking about
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15:27.51abrotmanmentor: thank you
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15:28.22SimonRavensata is an ide protocol, that uses scsi devices. IIRC
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15:28.33SimonRaveni would too  ;)
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15:29.01mentorregistered.
15:29.03juice`SimonRaven: so should i use IDE tools or SCSI tools to work with SATA drives?
15:29.11jmartensIs this the best place to ask about the Xorg 7 transition?
15:29.11debian!sata
15:29.12dpkgIdeally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x.  See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ .  For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options.   ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work
15:29.15abrotmannice real name though ...
15:29.27azeemjmartens: sort of
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15:29.32abrotmanSimonRaven: i think you got that backwards
15:29.35Spool!svn-buildpackage
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15:29.39azeemjmartens: check http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
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15:30.02juice`debian: i have SATA configured, i just need a tool to test my hdd...
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15:30.24jmartensazeem: I checked that already, and I have it up and running, but there is just one library left in X11R6 that is in use (libxp6), which doesn't seem to have an upgrade package available
15:30.39SimonRavenabrotman: yeh, thus the 'IIRC'. i'm rather distracted and lack of sleeped right now
15:31.05azeemjmartens: hrm, dunno
15:31.06debianjuice`: I want to help but I don't have SATA
15:31.21cybermikeim trying to install debian onto a sata harddisk on my amd64, i finaly found an install image who supported the nvidia nforce sata, but now it has spend 6 hours formating the disk and it drops a lot of log errors saying "ata1: command 0x35 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x24"
15:31.22mentorSATA is implemented through the scsi core in the Linux kernel
15:31.50juice`so is there any tool to test SATA drives? SCSI tools doesnt work on SATA drives from my experience
15:32.00mentorHowever, ATA passthrough/SCSI passthrough has been implemented so you should be able to use IDE tools with it, using the correct magic.
15:32.15juice`maybe there are specific SATA tools
15:32.42juice`anyways, i can't find these tools
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15:34.25davi_How to install these fonts:  "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Arial Unicode MS","Lucida Grande"   ?
15:34.29abrotmanSimonRaven: go to bed!
15:34.56SimonRavenabrotman: nah. i did sleep, i just got up early (3)
15:35.04abrotmango back to sleep
15:35.25SimonRavennah, i'm having too much fun with some feds right now
15:35.26mineraleHi, i've found a package named 'splitvt' that allows the screen to be split in two horizontal windows, is there a tool that splits the screen vertically in two, ie, two windows side by side
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15:35.41RoninSimonRaven: fun with feds? doing your creative taxs?
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15:35.58thingfishSimonRaven: feds?  do they have you surrounded?
15:36.05SimonRavennah, null routing, and undoing the route
15:36.12debianSimonRaven: something related to anal examination?
15:36.22SimonRaventhingfish: no, but go see my blog
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15:36.39thingfishok
15:36.54debianSimonRaven: well I was being too imaginative then
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15:37.09SimonRavendebian: indeed you were :)
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15:37.24myboxenlooks like smartmontools smartctl will do it
15:37.30cybermikecan i boot the installer and bypass the automatic modprobe system?
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15:38.19davi_How to install the Microsoft fonts ?
15:38.19miki2how to remove directory with files? 'rm -d -r' ?
15:38.30zrinI've built 2.6.16 on freshly installed etch (i386), but it won't boot: "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file" - what can I do about it?
15:38.30myboxenjuice`: looks like smartmontools  smartctl will do it
15:38.41thingfishdavi_: apt-get install msttcorefonts
15:38.44redmonkeydavi_, apt-get install msttcorefonts
15:38.51redmonkeydamn :)
15:38.55davi_thanks thingfish & redmonkey
15:39.03jmartensmiki2: "rm -r" will do it
15:39.03zrinit seems that it tries to mount something with (non existent) devfs?!?
15:39.27thingfishdavi_: other fonts can be dropped into ~/.fonts
15:39.27jmartensmiki2: That will remove the directory and ALL subdirectories and files.
15:39.35debianlet me try some easy question next time. :)
15:39.38miki2cool :)
15:39.38azeemzrin: or the initrd is lacking
15:39.48thingfishwell, at least ttf ones are the only ones I've tried.
15:39.49miki2and how can i remove symlinks?
15:39.56zrinazeem: I've built initrd image as well
15:40.02jmartensmiki2: Just like a regular file
15:40.16miki2ah
15:40.16SimonRavenzrin: /dev/console isn't devfs. it's looking for dev/console. i suspect you built for initrd support without actually making one. common error
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15:40.23jmartensmiki2: Becareful not to do something like "rm  -r /" of course...
15:40.24debianmkfontdir is your friend
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15:40.40zrinSimonRaven: uhm, what did I miss?
15:41.06Alver'ello. Is there anything known about possible Xorg 7 leakage? 'top' reports 250+MB for X, while 'xrestop' only mentions ~50.
15:41.08myboxenAlver! :)
15:41.11Alvermyboxen :)
15:41.20SimonRavenzrin: oh so you do. did you forget to add it to your bootloader's conf?
15:41.45zrinSimonRaven: it's added by update-grub
15:41.53GyrosGeierAlver, top shows the size of all mappings, including the video memory
15:41.58zrinSimonRaven: I didn't forget that
15:42.01cybermikeits some kind of conflict with another module i think
15:42.11juice`anybody knows any tool to test SATA HDD ?
15:42.23miki2jmartes: im trying to compile kernel but im geting crappy error, i symlinked linux directory with kernel directory but i can runt 'make menuconf' from /usr/src/linux, and i cant access /usr/src/linux/(kernel name)/ directory cuz it says: too many symlinks
15:42.25RvGaTeWhen seinding an email, it doesn't get delivered, when checking the log, it gives me this message: 1FWbGK-00012N-Ul == contact@nightsquad.nl R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host.... i know that im trying to send trough a authed smtp, but this has nothing to do with the authentication as far as i know.
15:42.27cybermikeif i initialize a mkfs.ext2 before alle the drivers on the disk are loaded it formats a lot faster
15:42.30myboxenjuice`: look at my response to you
15:42.31cybermikejuice`: what do you want to test?
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15:42.36thingfishwow, SimonRaven, pretty intense.
15:42.44AlverGyrosGeier: I don't know what gkrellm is based on, but it also shows abnormal memory usage
15:42.44myboxenjuice`: apt-get install smartmontools
15:42.45juice`bad sectors...
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15:42.53pikoHi, please is there anybody here having experience with new Xorg on unstable with nvidia?
15:42.56myboxenjuice`: then use smartctl
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15:43.10Alverpiko: "experience" as in I use it, yes
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15:43.20jmartensmiki2: I would recommend building the kernel the "debian way"
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15:43.29zrinSimonRaven: by 'wihtout actually making one' - did you mean forgetting to add the initrd line to grub/menue.lst?
15:44.03SimonRavenzrin: yeh, but i don't trust auto update tools for bootloaders (that's just me, they could work fine). is it in there? also, check if the support is built-in or not
15:44.10SimonRaventhingfish: indeed
15:44.11miki2jmartens: its not debian kernel =\ and i need newest kernel possible cuz different filesystem/usb support
15:44.18juice`myboxen: oh i didnt notice your response. thanks.
15:44.22jmartensYou don't have to have the "debian kernel"
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15:44.37jmartensmiki2: Download the kernel tarball to your home dir
15:44.37pikoI think that there is some problem with paths
15:44.41thingfishSimonRaven: good luck - I'm for your side!
15:44.52Tchiakummm.. I created new partitions on hdb, which is my second harddrive.. for home and usr and i think i broke my installation.  when linux mounts the partitions it mounts this w/o access permissions for users other than root. How can i fix this? if you need more specific info let me know
15:44.52zrinSimonRaven: kernel support for initrd? I think it uses initrd, because the error changes if I boot without it.
15:45.05Alverpiko: what is your issue? Building the module, getting it to work, what?
15:45.08jmartensmiki2: Then untar it, cd into the top directory, then use make-kpkg
15:45.20pikoAlver: because nvidia can not find any nvi nvidia drivers
15:45.22jmartensYou have to install "kernel-package"
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15:45.38jmartensmiki2: And fakeroot
15:45.50miki2jmartens: i got kernel tarball, untared but i need to config it before doing make-kpkg, problem is that i cant run 'make menuconfig/config/xconfig/etc'
15:45.55pikoAlver: I tried both classical (module-assistant) and the original installation, but no success
15:46.00miki2jmartes: im compiling as real root
15:46.20rikvaHi.  I want to find a file - which I don't know the filename of - containing a word I know only that file contains. Is there a command or application to find this file?
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15:46.24Alverpiko: you have to copy /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/
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15:46.31SimonRavenzrin: yes i did mean that
15:46.36jmartensmiki2: Ah, ok.  So when you run make *config whatever, it says too many symlinks?
15:46.46pikohmmm, I will try at the moment
15:47.00zrinSimonRaven: where is this option? (I'm using menuconfig)
15:47.06SimonRaventhingfish: i know you are :). thanks :)
15:47.15thingfish;)
15:47.17miki2jamrtens: i got strange error, says nothing, only smth like this: ""make: *** No rules to execute object 'menuconfig'. Stop.""
15:47.26SimonRavenzrin: otherwise, *shrug*. sorry. without more info i dunno
15:47.26SimonRavenzrin: bit laggy right now, sorry
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15:47.48Tchiakoh i used reiserfs for /home and /usr partitions as well
15:47.50piko(EE) Failed to load module "nvi" (module does not exist, 0)
15:48.00pikoAlver: this is for nvi driver
15:48.04jmartensmiki2: Are you at the top directory of your untarred linux source directory?
15:48.09miki2jmartens: also, i tried to enter /usr/src/linux/(kernel symlink) to ru it from same direcotry as config file, but it says too many symlinks and i cant enter
15:48.22miki2jamrtens: im in symlinked /usr/src/linux
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15:48.23jmartensmiki2: Should be wherever you untarred the linux source package
15:48.38Alverpiko: I never heard of any "nvi" driver - only the Xorg "nv" or the binary "nvidia" driver
15:48.39jmartensmiki2: Where did you untar the linux image you are trying to compile?
15:48.44mixteri got two machines, one newly installed with sarge and one that is upgraded to sarge from woody. there seem to be differences between the locales on the two. on the newly installed one i got en_US as locale and on the upgraded one posix. what will happend if i choose sv_SE? could i choose posix on the newer on too?
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15:48.48juice`myboxen: is there any way to actually TEST the whole disk? sector by sector? i'm reading manual but this is just for monitoring i think
15:48.57pikoooh what fool I am
15:49.08juice`myboxen: i want to test if there are bad sectors on my disk...
15:49.14Tchiakfsck
15:49.26pikoAlver: great, thanks very much, it vorks with nvidia now
15:49.28miki2jmartens: untared directory is in /usr/src, i did 'ln -s linux'... entered linux dir and ran 'make menuconfig'
15:49.34sepskijuice`, badblocks
15:49.42juice`fsck.xfs is not reporting anything
15:49.46pikoAlver: I suppose that this is somewhere in the documentation
15:49.49jmartensmiki2: Just change to the kernel dir
15:50.00miki2jmartens: symlinked one or real one?
15:50.13jmartensmiki2: It doesn't need to be in /usr/src/linux, in fact I would recommend just putting it in your home directory
15:50.14juice`sepski: you mean package with that name? doesnt exists in standard debian repo i think
15:50.20jmartensmiki2: real one.
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15:50.50jmartensmiki2: make-kpkg makes a debian kernel package out of the source, and then you install that when you're all done compiling.
15:50.52miki2jamrtens: ic, all howto's/faq's were poiting me to /usr/src/linux and then to symlink and run it from there
15:50.54sepskijuice`, keep in mind that it's a long time since the OS actualy accessed sectors of the disk, modern disks hide all the magic behind a layer, and remaps bad secors on the fly. if your OS actualy finds bad sectors it means the disk have been remapping sectors until it exhaousted it's spare sectors space and i wound not rely on that drive again
15:51.11zinxsmartctl ftw
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15:51.15TchiakI recently partitioned my second harddrive into hdb1 and hdb2, for the /usr and /home directores.. i made their FS as reiserfs.  i changed fstab to mount the new partitions as /usr and /home, though now when i try to run any programs as a normal user i don't have write access to either /home or /usr.  How can i fix this nasty little problem?
15:51.29miki2jmartens: i know, i did it few times but that symlink method worked for me... probably sience this is not debian kernel i cant do it this way
15:51.35SimonRaven!ftw
15:51.36dpkgftw is probably wtf backwards
15:51.43sepskijuice`, badblocks darnit
15:51.46mbishoper
15:51.47sepskinot badsectors
15:51.48mbishopthat's wrong haha
15:51.53mbishopftw = for the win
15:51.53jmartensI think your symlinks are just messed up somehow.
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15:52.14EvilDinok any firewall geek here
15:52.14jmartensmiki2: It doesn't really matter WHERE you build it if you are using make-kpkg.
15:52.15sepskijuice`, or just add -c when you make the filesystem
15:52.15EvilDin:P
15:52.32miki2jmartens: i see, thanks :)
15:52.34juice`sepski: why do you think i was looking for 'badsectors' package?
15:52.41jmartensSimonRaven ftw is For The Win, as far as I knew.
15:52.53SimonRavenno, it's "fuck the world!"
15:52.56sepskijuice`, never mind me im to tiered
15:52.58miki2going to build and compile it now, maybe my overheated cpu wont explode
15:53.03juice`there is no package with name badblocks
15:53.08sepskijuice`, badblocks is in the e2fstools package
15:53.08juice`or badblock
15:53.13juice`oh...
15:53.15valdyn!tell juice` -about search
15:53.15godmachine81Tchiak:   im not sure that the reiserfs was a good idea
15:53.19sepskie2fsprogs
15:53.25sepskiim hopeless today
15:53.34miki2oh wait
15:53.39valdynreiserfs is just fine..
15:53.48godmachine81for /home and /usr  its ok?
15:53.49SimonRavenyou youngin's
15:54.03thingfishhehe
15:54.04miki2jmartens: how can i remove older kernel linux? i got like 5 different versions in my grub
15:54.04sepskireiserfs is fine for /tmp
15:54.19miki2jmartens: is there any special command, or can i just remove them from gurb and delete vmlinuz ?
15:54.20juice`sepksi: will it work on XFS partition ?
15:54.22jmartensmiki2: If they are debian kernels, you can remove them with apt-get
15:54.47miki2jamrtens: apt-get remove (kernel name)?
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15:54.53sepskijuice`, badblocks dont care about filesystem types. it's usualy done Before you add a filesystem anyway
15:54.57jmartensmiki2: Otherwise, the "manual" process would be to remove the /boot/kernelname stuff and /lib/modules/kernelname
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15:55.08juice`sepski: oh ok, thank you.
15:55.09sepskijuice`, make sure you do the READ ONLY test if you do it on a disk with data
15:55.10jmartensmiki2: Then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:55.19sepski_NOT_ the write test
15:55.24miki2jmartens: yah, thats what i was doing usually
15:55.31Tchiaki freakin at grub.. for some reason has never worked for me
15:55.37Tchiakat = hate
15:55.42Tchiaklilo runs just fine though
15:55.43juice`sepski: i think this is default behaviour :)
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15:55.51godmachine81Tchiak:  weird
15:55.52jmartensmiki2: Search for the kernels installed like "apt-get search linux-image" or "apt-get search kernel-image"
15:56.15Tchiakwhen i installed the first time with grub and rebooted it came up with an error and didnt' boot
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15:56.18Tchiaki had to reinstall with lilo
15:56.27pikomiki2: maybe if those are debian (or made by make-kpkg) it would be better to purge it apt-get purge (kernel-ver)
15:56.32jmartensmiki2: If you are running 2.6, then they should be "linux-image-`uname -r`"
15:56.40pikomiki2: this will also suppress modules
15:56.47jmartensmiki2: Yes, that is a better way
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15:57.08Tchiakgodmachine81: I just chmod -R 777 both /home and /usr
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15:57.18godmachine81Tchiak:   777 gosh
15:57.19juice`sepski: anyways, thank you.
15:57.23DA_piko: you mean --purge remove?
15:57.27godmachine81thats everyone rwx
15:57.37SimonRavenWHAT?!!
15:57.39Tchiakand it works now.. i think when i copied the files from the old partition to the new partitions it copied them with just root permissions
15:57.55SimonRaven...
15:58.00godmachine81man your gonna have probs
15:58.04Tchiakwhich isn't very handy when using other users aside from root
15:58.14SimonRaven!lart Tchiak
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15:58.18cybermikeliable , ifvoid : I Think i located the problem,
15:58.24cybermikeliable , ifvoid : http://www.al-najjar.co.uk/
15:58.31pikoDA_: no
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15:59.19pikoDA_: well, I usually use aptitude purge
15:59.23Tchiakwell what's a better octat to use?
15:59.28godmachine81Tchiak:   i'd suggest you do a fresh install now.. lol
15:59.38Tchiakso that root and users both have access to /home and /usr?
15:59.40Tchiakread and write
15:59.53DA_piko: oh i see, apt-get doesnt have a purge command according to the man page (you have to specify --purge with remove)
15:59.54pikoDA_: I am not sure what is the right replace in apt-get, mmt
15:59.55miki2ive also read somewhere about thins thing added to make-kpkg '-I/usr/src/linux/include', what it does?
16:00.13pikoDA_: ok, than it is perheps it
16:00.14godmachine81Tchiak:  you should have chown instead of chmod
16:00.29SimonRavennow i'm even gettings visits from the children's hospital in T.O.
16:00.45DA_aptitude probably does that for you
16:00.46miki2sience person who wrote that in his/her howto didnt know what it does either :)
16:01.06backzhow I use VIA RAID on sarge?
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16:01.25pikoDA_: yes it should be purge - it not only cleans the package, but also modules and configuration files
16:01.50SimonRavenTchiak: user's perms with dirs set to 755 and files to 644 unless they're private, and to be execed. this is why you DON'T DO THAT SORT OF THING. you have hours of work ahead of you, now
16:01.58miki2time to compile, thanks cya
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16:03.12SimonRavenwhat a mess ...
16:03.31DA_hours of work and you may never have them all how they should be
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16:03.47DA_easier to rm -rf :/
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16:03.56DA_imo
16:04.05DabianHow do I generate /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
16:04.07Dabian?
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16:04.17SimonRavenyeh. that's why you run a cron job to grab the perms and write them to a file
16:04.26DabianSimonRaven : How+
16:04.33SimonRavenwith md5sum
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16:04.56mbishopDabian, md5sum xorg.conf
16:04.58DabianSimonRaven : md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
16:05.07Dabianmbishop: Thanks
16:05.17SimonRaventhat was in reply to DA_'s statement of "hours of work and you may ..."
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16:05.47valdynbackz: you dont
16:06.01zinxaw, hell
16:06.06backzvaldyn, dont?
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16:06.13zinxOpenGL docs were part of xlibmesa-gl-dev
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16:06.17valdynbackz: you dont use via raid
16:06.48valdynbackz: there's ways to access it via linux's software raid, see the 'dmraid' package
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16:08.50DabianIt worked!
16:09.03Dabianmbishop : iT WORKED! (sorry for CAPs)
16:09.16Dabianmbishop : You remember the key-word to ask the bot?
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16:09.33Dabianmbishop : Thanks for helping me, it was wonderfull!
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16:09.40backzvaldyn, is it RAID via software ?
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16:10.53backzvaldyn, there isn't dmraid for stable
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16:11.23yeaHi, any idea why my pam is "fucked up." Example. I set max process limit (nproc) for one use to 10 and when i try login i get "login: failure forking: Resource temporarily unavailable" it should be ok, because bash uses 1 process and ssh 1 thats 2. Even if i set it to 20 i get same error, i can login only after i set it heigher then
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16:11.29yea30
16:11.37warhawkyop all
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16:12.07ILFis my drive dying? tried 2 ide cables :( http://pastebin.com/671548
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16:13.25godmachine81ILF:  have you tried to do a factory level format?
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16:14.11tuvhow do i reduce the HD's temp.?
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16:14.44ILFgodmachine81: euh, what's that?
16:14.45godmachine81tuv:  add  more fans inside the case..   don't stack hw right on top of each other
16:14.55tuvgodmachine81, laptop!
16:15.24Trynemjoelturn down the termostat tuv  :P
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16:15.47godmachine81ILF:   there are programs that will do a complete format of the drive rewriting every single sector and resetting them all to 0.. it takes a while.. but it usually fixes problems like your having
16:15.53valdynbackz: via raid is always raid via software really
16:16.04valdynbackz: via raid != hardware raid
16:16.05ILFgodmachine81: yeah, problem is that's my / and /home :(
16:16.06tuvi mean would something like spin down do it? and how do i do that?
16:16.07valdyn!sata raid
16:16.07dpkgThe FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html
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16:16.44godmachine81ILF:  you will probably have to remove the harddrive and use a M$ machine to run the factories formatting executable..
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16:17.35godmachine81tuv:  i don't know about that
16:17.41tuvgodmachine81, ILF: formatting tools are mostly on bootable media, so that is not always necessary
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16:18.19godmachine81tuv:   not always.. .the best one i used from maxtor was for win9x
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16:18.39godmachine81standard formatting tools.. yes...
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16:18.59godmachine81but to reset a drive to factory defaults.. not likely on boot media
16:19.08tuvgodmachine81, that's what i said.. not always :)
16:19.16backzvaldyn, shitt!! poor motherboard... software raid!!
16:19.30godmachine81see he needs to do a low level format
16:19.33tuvgodmachine81, and there is ultimatebootcd
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16:20.20davishello
16:20.26zumbi!hi
16:20.26dpkghello, zumbi
16:21.02unstable!greet davis
16:21.02dpkgWelcome, davis
16:21.07davisafter I have installed debian, i found out I need a package on a different CD.  How do I get dpkg to rescan cd's?
16:21.20unstabledavis: Are you connected to the internet?
16:21.31davisie. i want to add cd 5-7 of a set. when I installed I only scanned cd's 1-4.
16:21.33davisunstable: no.
16:21.37zumbii have a network card (yukon marvell gigabit ethernet), i can't have stable netinst to detect it, how can i do that ?
16:21.52unstabledavis: put in the cd, mount it, and do apt-get install packagename
16:21.53tuvdavis, apt-setup maybe?
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16:21.59Vivienhello
16:21.59davisthat is why I am trying to install ncurses from cd so that I can build a kernel to get ethernet access.
16:22.13unstabledavis: You need to do apt-setup to have your cd device added to /etc/apt/sources.list
16:22.13DA_godmachine81, tuv, ILF: the last time i used something like that was about 6 years ago some piece of software from gateway that ran from a bootfloppy, stated "writing zeroes to hard drive"... after that i installed win98 on it and the drive worked fine for a long time
16:22.19unstable!greet Vivien
16:22.19dpkgWelcome, Vivien
16:22.26Vivienhello!!!!!!!!!!
16:22.27DA_that was also the only time ive used software to low-level format
16:22.33unstabledavis: You shouldn't have to build a kernel.
16:22.42unstabledavis: type "dhclient eth0" as root.
16:22.46tuvDA_, what's your disk brand?
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16:22.54davismy kernel does recognize my eth0 interface.
16:23.04DA_tuv: heh this was 6 years ago, but i can tell you with almost certainty it was a western digital
16:23.06davisi think this old 2.4 kernel doesn't have the driver.
16:23.09sepskidavis, do you load the kernel module for your nic ?
16:23.26VivienHELLO? i would like to install windows xp as it's better than debian as told me my mother but i have some problem when starting
16:23.31Viviensomeone can help me?
16:23.31DA_actually i think i still have it...
16:23.37sepskiVivien, ask in #windows
16:23.41DA_its totally fried now
16:23.41davisno
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16:24.18Vivienyes, but why windows is better than debian?
16:24.20backzvaldyn, hey this http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html is mdadm. is it like dmraid or not ?
16:24.22Vivienwhat is a geek?
16:24.29tuvVivien, maybe your mother can help then..
16:24.31azeemVivien: are you trolling?
16:24.41Vivienwhat is a troll?
16:24.47davisdhclient eth0 ... eth0 no such device.
16:24.50azeemVivien: this channel is for Debian support
16:25.00azeemif you do not have a question about that, please either be quiet or leave
16:25.10Vivienyes, but i also have some troubles with my debian partition
16:25.19azeemso state your problem
16:25.20godmachine81DA_:  you havent had HD failure in 6 yrs??  i always try a low level format.. and 90% of the time it repairs a "bricked" hd
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16:25.33tuvVivien, if you're having trouble overwriting the MBR, boot a  freedos cd and do "fdisk /MBR"
16:26.02Vivieni have some USB dildo but debian doesn't recognize it
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16:26.13Vivieni have no idea where to find the drivers
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16:26.16DA_godmachine81: haha i usually come across a small 20gig or so every now and again... im not too picky about what i put in my linux box
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16:26.19stewVivien: /msg dpkg usb-storage
16:26.26unstable!ops Vivien is a troll
16:26.27dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Vivien is a troll
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16:26.47DA_godmachine81: but yes youre right a low-level format should be good for a drive every once in a great while
16:26.49azeemVivien: you have been silenced for 10 minutes
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16:26.55godmachine81DA_:  i do computer repairs and stuff locally so,  i usually am repairing other peoples stuff lol
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16:27.03azeemVivien: please reconsider how you can contribute to this channel in a productive way
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16:27.35DA_godmachine81: ahh yes, low-level format has probably done very well by you then
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16:27.48godmachine81yep
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16:28.06davisi havent seen this many trolls since I played WoW.
16:28.12godmachine81100% of the failures i work with are from win machines...
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16:28.27Darxusupgrading debian testing seems... to be an excessively involved process, and I've been a linux geek for, oh, 11 years?  What am I missing?  This is how I currently do it:  http://darxus.livejournal.com/146374.html
16:28.27DA_godmachine81: i believe you 100%...
16:28.55godmachine8190% of the machines i fix have windows..  5% have some sort of unix...  5%  have mac
16:29.10curelessDarxus: what's your problem with upgrading testing?
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16:29.20godmachine81the 5% with some sort of unix usually goes back to windows because it don't look the same.....
16:29.20unstableDarxus: You are doing it completely wrong, for oh? 11 years
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16:29.56Darxuscureless: basically that pinning packages with bugs still results in it trying to install buggy packages
16:30.02unstableDarxus: as root type this...   echo "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade;
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16:30.12azeemDarxus: put them on hold rather than pin them
16:30.21azeemunstable: eh?
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16:31.00unstableazeem: He is trying to "upgrade testing" no?
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16:31.11azeemunstable: and you told him to use ftp.debian.org, no?
16:31.21curelessunstable: you jumped on the answer too quickly
16:31.24davisDarxus: dude i am installing from scratch a 2.4 based laptop as we speak. Debian is very simple to operate.
16:31.35davisDarxus: maybe you need ot give it more time.
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16:31.52azeemDarxus: are you running testing or unstable?
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16:32.14Darxustesting
16:32.26Darxusapt-listbugs doesn't give me an option to put the buggy packages on hold, only pin them
16:32.37godmachine81sounds like your old sarge packages are conflicting with renamed / repackaged "testing" packages...
16:32.45azeemDarxus: did you check whether those bugs affect you?
16:33.04godmachine81usually what happens is you get an error.. this package is also a part of another package..
16:33.10Darxusazeem: there's usually about 30 packages with grave bugs listed, I'd like it to just automatically not install them
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16:33.12godmachine81something to that extent
16:33.16Darxuswhich pinning seems... like an attempt to do
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16:33.42azeemDarxus: usually, upgrades in testing reduce the amount of release critical bugs
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16:34.13godmachine81Darxus:   how often do you update your "etch" based system?
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16:34.36Darxuscritical bugs of ssh (1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4 -> 1:4.2p1-7) <done> #328568 - OpenSSH client causes segmentation fault
16:34.39Darxuscritical bugs of cvs (1:1.12.9-13 -> 1:1.12.9-17) <done> #320019 - cvs import forgets files
16:34.42Darxusthose are just two of the first 4 bugs listed
16:35.02DarxusI'd really just rather not install stuff with the critical / grave bugs that apt-listbugs is finding
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16:35.15Darxusgodmachine: I upgrade it about every couple days
16:35.44godmachine81thats probably why your having so many hassles.. why do you want to update so often??
16:35.58valdynDarxus: those are marked <done> though
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16:36.42godmachine81u been using 11 yrs you ought to know that you don't have to update everytime updates are available, and you don't have to update all the packages that have updates available at anytime.. its not like the other OS...
16:36.47Darxusvaldyn: so why is it bothering to list them?
16:36.51redmonkeyu?
16:36.57mhall_I am having an odd problem trying to use X remotely: _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for 10.10.l01.175:6000: Name or service not known // xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 10.10.l01.175:0
16:37.19valdynDarxus: i dont know, maybe read the bugreport
16:37.20Darxusgodmachine81: that's your justification for the upgrade process being such a pain?
16:37.27DarxusI'm not missing anything, it just is that bad?
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16:37.47azeemDarxus: maybe to tell you that it got fixed now and you should upgrade?
16:38.29valdynDarxus: i suggest you read the bugreport anyway since it might aswell be that your _current_ package is affected, not the new one
16:38.35Darxusazeem: it's listing about 30 bugs, and I'm supposed to pick and choose which ones to ignore instead of just telling, with a single keystroke, to pin all the ones that are problems?
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16:38.37godmachine81Darxus:  as long as you are using "testing" or "unstable" you should know that is exactly what you are going to get..   simply because your base install came from stable.. and somethings have been changed completely for the upcoming release...
16:38.50azeemDarxus: dunno, apparently you chose to use apt-listbugs?
16:39.42azeemand now you complain it does its work?
16:39.42Darxusvaldyn: if the bug report might mean that my current package is broken and not the new one, then the upgrade process is even more horribly broken than I thought
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16:39.43Darxusazeem: so you think it would be better to just install all the packages with grave and critical bugs listed?
16:39.43valdynDarxus: what does this have to do with the upgrade process?
16:39.43azeemDarxus: packages in testing don't have RC bugs in theory
16:39.57valdynDarxus: this tool youre using is _apt-listbugs_, its _not_ the upgrade process
16:39.58azeemor at least, an upgrade should make it have *less* bugs
16:39.58curelessDarxus: if you are so worried about bugs why not use stable?
16:40.04Darxusvaldyn: my initial question was, what's the right way to upgrade that I'm clearly missing
16:40.15godmachine81cureless:   thats my point altogether
16:40.16wpostmaanybody know how to BLOCK installation of a particular package via apt-get configuration? (So that machines that can't have a particular package installed, can't install package-xyz, apt-get install package-xyz will then fail.)
16:40.20valdynDarxus: in sid? do it and pray
16:40.22Darxusif there is a good way to do it, that isn't going to result in my system being broken, without apt-listbugs, that's what I'd love to hear
16:40.27valdynDarxus: or do it and fix things if they break
16:40.40godmachine81the right way to upgrade with unstable / testing is not every 2 days
16:40.49Darxuscureless: because stable is chronically out of date
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16:40.57valdynDarxus: now if you're concerned that something has bugs, keep in mind that shipping software always has bugs, and large applications have 100ks of bugs
16:41.01godmachine81also you are not suppose to complain about bugs in an unstable release
16:41.08azeemDarxus: there is no magic way
16:41.16azeemDarxus: I'd just upgrade testing away
16:41.24godmachine81you complain to the developers...... not on irc that its not working like "stable"
16:41.26curelessDarxus: you can get packages from other places, backports, etc.  testing, btw is the one with most bugs and security problems.
16:41.28unstableaha!
16:41.37unstableDarxus: as root type this...   echo "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade;
16:41.39SpCombhow unstable
16:42.13mhall_How do I show all binary packages which come from a particular source package?
16:42.25unstableSpComb: hmm?
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16:42.32stewmhall_: apt-cache showsrc sourcepackage
16:42.38Darxuscureless: I'm familiar with backports
16:42.53unstablemhall_: Which binay packages come from a source package?
16:42.54godmachine81Darxus:  what is your current sources.list?
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16:43.39madclickeranyone on etch using adaptec RAID 1?
16:43.52valdynmadclicker: that is software raid
16:43.53curelessDarxus: I'm just saying, testing has the most problems (imho), it moves slow.
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16:44.07unstableazeem
16:44.08madclickervaldyn, no hardware
16:44.18Darxusgodmachine81: on my workstation I have basically just the official testing archive listed
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16:44.27valdynmadclicker: i doubt that, show your controller, i can look it up
16:44.28mhall_!ops we got a flood
16:44.28dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: we got a flood
16:44.33valdyn!sata raid
16:44.33dpkgThe FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html
16:44.36highwxz is n=claa@c-69-251-123-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net * malpp
16:44.48Darxuson my server I'm running stable, and that's entirely tolerable
16:44.55valdynmadclicker: people using h/w raid wouldnt ask such a questions usually, that is all )
16:45.03godmachine81Darxus:  which would be exactly what unstable told you to do ??
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16:45.18mz_workwhat is vesta? spanish release of next windows OS?
16:45.27gan|y|medhi
16:45.29mhall_apt nickometer gan|y|med
16:45.30unstablelol @ mz_work
16:45.32madclickervaldyn, i have no problems with etch running the hw raid, but the f-ed situation is, when i connect a sata drive, my server is not bootable
16:45.33unstable!greet gan|y|med
16:45.33dpkgSalutations, gan|y|med
16:45.39mhall_mz_work: lol
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16:45.48curelessmz_work: actually, "vista" is a spanish word, "vesta" is not.
16:46.00mhall_madclicker: boot device order is a crock?
16:46.05godmachine81madclicker:  your bios settings must be wrong
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16:46.14valdynmadclicker: when you connect a sata drive to which controller.
16:46.22madclickermhall_, godmachine81 ,right
16:46.26mhall_stew: it seems like the output on showsrc is abbreviated in some odd way
16:46.36madclickervaldyn, to the onboard controller
16:46.45mhall_stew: it looks like it gets truncated
16:46.54abrotmancan't lilo close that channel?
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16:47.11madclickervaldyn, since sata and scsi is same naming convention i get a "busybox" prompt
16:47.12Darxusalright, I clearly need to try ubuntu, thank you for your input
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16:47.20mhall_abrotman: won't help, apparently the channels being names are unrelated to the flooding
16:47.29mhall_abrotman: this i gather from one of lilo's notice spams
16:47.33abrotmanmhall_: that's what they all say :)
16:47.36valdynmadclicker: ok - your bios just enumerates hardware, adding a drive can push sda to sdb and replace sda
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16:48.03madclickervaldyn, so what do i do?
16:48.06cureless"Lost another one to ubuntu!"
16:48.08mhall_abrotman: problem is that responding to it in that fashion is doing what the trolls want us to do: disable ourselves in a misguided attempt to make them go away
16:48.19abrotmanwe are?
16:48.29abrotmancureless: and good riddence!
16:48.32madclickervaldyn, i tried fucking around with grub, fstab, almost lost the system
16:48.32abrotmanbah .. spelling sucks!
16:48.40valdynmadclicker: install grub on that sata disk you added
16:48.47stewmhall_: you can also go http://pacakges.qa.debian.org/packagename
16:49.05valdynmadclicker: and modify grub to load linux from hd1 instead hd0 and root to be on sdb instead sda
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16:49.12madclickervaldyn, but if a replace it in the future, am messed up
16:49.21valdynmadclicker: yep
16:49.22madclickervaldyn, or the harddrive dies
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16:49.29xorianApparently someone has been spamming some channels mentioning "#vesta" which is a channel for a free software project I work on.  I have no idea who's doing it and we certainly didn't ask them to.  Sorry about it.
16:49.44abrotmanxorian: sure sure .. if you say so :)
16:49.56madclickervaldyn, i tried that, but then i only get a grub prompt at boot
16:50.00valdynmadclicker: maybe your bios can be configured to start with your adaptec raid, i wouldnt know your bios
16:50.08gan|y|medhow do i contact a "staffer"
16:50.10gan|y|med?
16:50.15abrotmangan|y|med: why?
16:50.19azeemxorian: are you the same as xorian` ?
16:50.23backzvaldyn, hey this http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html is mdadm. is it like dmraid or not ?
16:50.26madclickervaldyn, sure it can be and i did cinfigure that
16:50.28xorianabrotman: Seriously, someone just dropped by and told us about it.  That's the first I heard of it.
16:50.32EvilDinamd why on debian doesn't work vncserver
16:50.40abrotmanxorian: been going on for days IIRC
16:50.47EvilDinit connect but it doesn't load whole desktop
16:51.02valdynbackz: dmraid is based on that, the dmraid feature is that it creates a software raid with the specific layout of your fakeraid bios
16:51.04madclickervaldyn, sarge was working fine, when i updated to etch shit just hit the fan
16:51.09mhall_xorian: abrotman loves to mess with people; don't let him yank your chain
16:51.13madclickeri love debian
16:51.20xorianazeem: Um, no, that's not me.
16:51.48gan|y|medabrotman: for nickname registration... my nickname (not only this one) is already given and wanted to ask them to check whether they can drop it...
16:51.52valdynmadclicker: tell us _Where_ exactly booting breaks, linux _also_ just enumerates hardware, just like your bios, so its possible that bios and linux disagree
16:52.01abrotmangan|y|med: when was the last time it was used?
16:52.14valdynmadclicker: but that would have grub at least loading your kernel
16:52.18backzvaldyn, ok, then is mdadm the 'way' to do RAID without bios?
16:52.52valdynbackz: dmraid is useful to read a software raid that windows can read
16:52.53xorianAnyway, I just dropped by to disclaim involvement.  Thanks for all the great Debian work though, I run sarge on many boxes, I think 5 CPU architecutres currently.  :)
16:52.56madclickervaldyn, when i have no sata, all is fine with /dev/sda1 and so forth
16:53.14valdynmadclicker: sure, didnt i explain that clearly?
16:53.27DA_xorian: yours wasnt the only channel name spammed that i saw
16:53.39backzvaldyn, must I use dmraid or do raid on hand with mdadm ?
16:53.46madclickervaldyn,so how can i tell the kernel not to load the frickin sata subsystem
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16:54.56madclickerlet me tell you kids etch is a scary piece of software when one is running a server
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16:55.05valdynmadclicker: if that is possible that should be in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt of your kernel
16:55.45gan|y|medabrotman: that's what i want to find out...
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16:55.48valdynmadclicker: the linux kernel _can_ change disk enumeration at any time, that is ugly, you're hit by that i suppose
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16:55.52abrotmangan|y|med: what is the nick you want?
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16:56.00mhall_gan|y|med: i know of a ganymed that's been on recently
16:56.10mhall_gan|y|med: but i'm not sure if he was the registrant
16:56.23mhall_gan|y|med: i think i saw him in #kde so maybe you can find him there
16:56.36nowheremanHi
16:56.40mhall_anyways i have to go to numerical analysis now so i better leave
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16:56.54abrotmangan|y|med: is "ganymed" the nick you want?
16:57.07nowheremanIf someone could help me, I think I have a problem with Mesa
16:57.12abrotman!ask
16:57.13dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
16:57.16madclickervaldyn, i only had this wonderful experience with debian, for 5 years on any rpm based system, modules could be controled vi /etc/modprobe.conf and such
16:57.17gan|y|medmhall: i think that was me. but i cannot talk in #kde
16:57.18magnusWHere can i find a list with official debian amd64 packed ftp repository? The one I use in my /etc/apt/sources.list has stopped working :(
16:57.24lightcaphow might I go about looking for why my sarge server has gone dead twice in the last two days.  It's pingable, and ssh and http don't refuse the connnections, but everything seems frozen aside from responding to pings.  I've looked thru every log I can think of and they seem to just stop at 4:20 (!) last night.
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16:57.32abrotmanmagnus: for which version of debian ?
16:57.39gan|y|medabrotman: yes, or gan|y|med if ganymed is not available
16:57.40magnusunstable amd64
16:57.48backzvaldyn, can I install debian before, and set-up raid with dmraid after install ?
16:57.48abrotmangan|y|med: well .. ganymed is taken ..
16:57.49valdynmadclicker: all modern distros use udev / hotplug by default now
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16:57.55magnuswell and sometimes stable amd64 :D
16:57.56lightcapI've looked everywhere I can think of at this point...
16:57.57abrotmangan|y|med: /msg nickserv help
16:58.00valdynbackz: yes sure
16:58.10abrotmanmagnus: amd64 is now merged into the official repository
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16:58.18magnusok
16:58.28abrotmanmagnus: so you would use a regular source for that ..
16:58.28magnusso i just use a standard repository?
16:58.29lightcapIt's my production server, so this can't continue to happen :-)
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16:58.37abrotmanmagnus: yep
16:58.38magnusok, where can i find a list of regular sources ?
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16:58.48abrotmanmagnus: debian.org/mirrors is one place
16:58.52magnusok thanks
16:59.02abrotmanhas apt-setup returned to unstable yet?
16:59.03valdynmadclicker: either way this is easy to fix, your just arent providing us with info
16:59.14curelesslightcap: so you can't ssh into it?
16:59.15lightcapThe last log entry is an snmpd connection from localhost
16:59.21nowheremanglxinfo tells me 'OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 6.4.1', is there something to configure to have at least OpenGL 1.3?
16:59.35nowheremanI have sid X.org, and Mesa 6.4.1 (etch/sid)
16:59.37lightcapcureless:  well I can now that I've rebooted...but it's happened twice in two days now
16:59.59curelesslightcap: and you have no entries to show what happened, it just died?
17:00.03lightcapcureless: but when it's hosed, no I can't ssh...it just hangs, but doesnt refuse
17:00.09lightcapcureless: exactly.
17:00.19lightcap4:20 the logs just stop until the reboot
17:00.27magnusNow i get this error: W: GPG error: http://ftp.se.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F
17:00.41curelesslightcap: so when it hangs it doesn't hang completely, it just hangs ssh, but you still can browse the webserver?
17:00.45valdyn!2006 key
17:00.45dpkgsomebody said 2006 key was apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -
17:01.01lightcapcureless: apache also doesn't refuse...but just sorta hangs there...
17:01.16curelesslightcap: but you get no response basically?
17:01.20lightcapthe progress bar on the browser shows about 1/4 loading then nothing
17:01.22lightcapcureless: yeah
17:01.26lightcapping does respond though
17:01.34curelesslightcap: have you considered hardware failure? hard disk or memory?
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17:01.38abrotmandying drive ?
17:01.50magnusvaldyn: it worked, thanks!
17:01.52DA_lightcap: overheating?
17:01.53lightcapwouldnt *something* show in the logs then?
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17:02.04abrotmanlightcap: not if it can't write to the log :)
17:02.07lightcaplol
17:02.08lightcaptrue
17:02.17curelesslightcap: not if it's the hard drive or if the memory corrupts the kernel
17:02.27lightcaphmm...
17:02.35lightcapit's a remote box...maybe I'll submit a ticket
17:02.44lightcaphosted at serverbeach
17:03.00curelesslightcap: you can try to do a stress test to see if that triggers it.
17:03.02lightcapI can't do a damn thing from here beyond what I"ve done
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17:03.22lightcapcureless: how? like a load test on a service?
17:03.22curelesslightcap: do you have a backup process or some other things running at 4:30 maybe?
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17:03.34lightcapnope, nothing...
17:03.40lightcapa few minor cron jobs
17:03.47lightcapbut nothing excessive
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17:03.59lightcaphttp://maya.artisantechnologies.com/munin/artisantechnologies.com/maya.artisantechnologies.com.html
17:04.13lightcapThere's a munin page of that server....
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17:05.44jadefolks, which ssh windows client would you recommend?
17:05.46zeus/help
17:05.48zeus/helpcv
17:05.54curelessjade: I use putty
17:05.56sepskijade, putty works okayish
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17:06.11DA_jade: i also have to say putty
17:06.14jadethanks
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17:06.57cahoot_my god - a poll that went through
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17:07.25abrotman!tell cahoot_ about polls
17:07.32curelesslol
17:07.52cahoot_abrotman: things *have* deteriorated
17:08.01abrotmancahoot_: we need greycat! :)
17:08.30Petrovwho want help me to make a ftp-server
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17:08.34curelesswhat, you need more sarcasm?
17:08.37xomhaure hi
17:09.08abrotmanftp must die!
17:09.13ddss#tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids #tux4kids
17:09.16abrotmanor that
17:09.35zinxwhat's with that guy
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17:09.51abrotmanzinx: a big pile of stupidity
17:10.00jazbo2187Can anyone suggest a good command runner for X?  I don't like the KDE one because it doesn't do tab completion like in a terminal
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17:10.31ryan`fscking spammers
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17:10.47crovHi all, i am looking for iso 3.1r2 is there one, cant find it on ftp...
17:10.50abrotmanjazbo2187: maybe ask #kde .. i mean .. you could just use a terminal :)
17:11.04lightcapwhat happened to greycat I havent seen him in a while
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17:11.31mineralejazbo2187: xterm at size 20 by 5 ?
17:11.59abrotmancrov: maybe not created yet
17:12.19WLSGuyI am pretty new to anything but basic regex and have a regex question. I am trying to match weblogic.Server$ AND managedServer1 in one line. I don't know how to tell it to look for both and can't find anything on Booleans in man regex
17:12.32abrotmanegrep
17:12.38nowheremanglxinfo tells me 'OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 6.4.1', is there something to configure to have at least OpenGL 1.3?
17:12.55abrotmanWLSGuy: cat <file> | grep blah1 | grep blah2
17:13.13abrotmanWLSGuy: unless you don't mean i a file
17:13.15abrotmanmean in a file
17:13.38WLSGuyabrotman: that won't work. I am using pkill, so it needs to be an extended regex
17:13.53blondiemew
17:13.56abrotmanask #bash ?
17:13.56WLSGuyabrotman: Otherwise I would have done just that :)
17:14.04jazbo2187abrotman, minerale, I like running stuff from the command runner because then I don't have to see all those scary error messages  ;).  Also I don't like having a terminal sitting there for no particular reason.  I remember I had a nice command runner on one of my other systems but I cant remember what it was called and doing `apt-cache search run` ain't to helpful!
17:14.27abrotmanjazbo2187: there's mini-commander in gnome ..
17:15.26MatBoySomething the guys of CentOS don't like is this: Say Debian in their channel ;)
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17:15.39abrotmanduh
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17:16.08r_marvinMatBoy: you can try saying Gentoo here, see what happens :)
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17:16.13DA_WLSGuy: (weblogic\.server|managedServer1)$?
17:16.19jazbo2187Genpoo?
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17:16.22BOBqwertywhoa
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17:16.41BOBqwertyi smell like debian on a bad day
17:16.52BOBqwertyits a bit cheesyish
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17:17.03abrotmanhehe
17:17.07BOBqwertywith a tinge of shit
17:17.09abrotmanBOBqwerty: are you here to troll?
17:17.14MatBoyabrotman: duh ? why ?
17:17.19BOBqwertytroll? english?
17:17.27zinxabrotman: answer: yes.
17:17.33abrotmanMatBoy: we don't like takling about other distros here either
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17:17.45BOBqwertytoday i was walking down the road to the supermarket...
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17:17.50RunningBonrly
17:17.54DA_~tell BOBqwerty about troll
17:17.55BOBqwertyyup
17:18.05BOBqwertyand a hobo approached me and asked me for money :)
17:18.14abrotman!ops BOBqwerty nonsense spamming
17:18.14dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: BOBqwerty nonsense spamming
17:18.25MatBoyabrotman: No indeed, but what if someone asks this in a channel: how good is centos? i'm planning to switch from ubuntu.
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17:18.28BOBqwertythere is a troll in harry potter
17:18.30MatBoyFor a workstation
17:18.36*** mode/#debian [+b *!*@194.242.130.4] by mentor
17:18.36*** kick/#debian [BOBqwerty!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor)
17:18.40DA_heh
17:18.41abrotmanMatBoy: to what?
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17:18.49xomhaurehi
17:18.52MatBoyfrom Ubunto to CentOS
17:18.56abrotmanmentor: thank you
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17:19.00MatBoyo=u
17:19.02abrotmanMatBoy: so why are oyu asking us?
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17:20.00MatBoyBecause in my opinion you don't get something like: Just say the word once (once said) and someone will be kicked
17:20.11abrotmanuhm ok
17:20.31MatBoyabrotman: I only recognize this in that channel
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17:21.16madclickervaldyn, wht info?
17:21.39valdynmadclicker: where exactly your boot process breaks with which error message
17:21.42DA_abrotman: hrm dpkg and apt have very different responses for troll... whats that about?
17:21.54tarzeauabrotman: reverse sorting works now: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/?8
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17:21.59mentorMatBoy: Is that that a compliment?
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17:22.07abrotmanDA_: different bots
17:22.13mentorDA_: they're different bots
17:22.37abrotmantarzeau: yay
17:22.38madclickervaldyn, my boot process only breaks when i attach a sata drive with ext3 file system on it and this is what happens:
17:22.43MatBoymentor: A compliment for the flexibility in the Debian-community indeed !!
17:22.50mentorMatBoy: Woohoo!
17:22.54mentor!beer MatBoy
17:23.11abrotmandon't tell ars technica
17:23.17DA_well i realize that... but i was actually going for the definition dpkg has and instead apt responded
17:23.17madclickervaldyn, the grub normaly has root (hd0,0) boot /dev/sda1
17:23.22RvGaTeJust wondering, how many words does the dkpg have in its database? :)
17:23.30abrotmanDA_: you did use apt's trigger :)
17:23.32tarzeauRvGaTe: alot the db is online
17:23.35DA_hrm
17:23.37DA_i must have
17:23.38edhHello! how I can find Russian channel?
17:23.41DA_which is dpkg's then?
17:23.44Ronin!ru
17:23.44abrotman!ru
17:23.44dpkgUnless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u.  Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)
17:23.47Roninheh
17:23.48abrotmanDA_: !
17:23.49DA_i thought ~tell was dpkg
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17:23.52DA_oh
17:23.56madclickervaldyn, now when i plug in a SATA drive, i get a busybox and sata is mounted as /dev/sda1
17:24.05DA_ok
17:24.07RvGaTe!nl
17:24.07dpkg.NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html
17:24.10DA_havent been on here in awhile
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17:24.14DA_heh
17:24.17madclickervaldyn, no error messages just a busybox
17:24.22valdynmadclicker: do you use a debian kernel?
17:24.27RvGaTe!tell RvGaTe about you
17:24.31madclickervaldyn, no way
17:24.34azeemRvGaTe: please /msg the bot
17:24.52RvGaTeazeem: roger ;)
17:25.06madclickervaldyn, sorry , yes i do
17:25.09valdynmadclicker: do you use an initrd with that kernel? are sata controller driver / adaptec driver compiled into the kernel or as modules
17:25.23valdynmadclicker: uh, so you _do_ use a debian kernel?
17:25.28edhRonin, Are you from Russia?
17:25.32MatBoymentor: I really like the smooth way of living that the Debian-community has. Not blaming... just solving :)
17:25.46Roninedh: no im not
17:25.55madclickervaldyn, 2.6.15, and there are some folks at ubuntu with same issues, telling that 2.6.15 if f-ed
17:26.16valdynmadclicker: i just want to know if you use a debian kernel
17:26.19mentorMatBoy: Obviously you haven't read the debian-devel mailing list :P
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17:26.53MatBoymentor: OK, I will not do that than ;)
17:26.57madclickervaldyn, the scsi and all the modules are from kernel, i tried moving st_mod to the first place in /etc/modules bit , as you can see it didnt work
17:27.09valdynmadclicker: please, jsut answer my questions =/
17:27.13mentorMatBoy: Good plan.
17:27.22madclickervaldyn, np, sorry
17:27.39MatBoymentor: Even I one year ago reported a " bug"  in the mailinglist.. and there was normally being reacted on and also solved in a nice way.
17:28.00mentorfair enough
17:28.04valdynmadclicker: is yaird installed, is initramfs-tools installed?
17:28.35MatBoymentor: indeed !
17:28.47tarzeauMatBoy: ever been here on weekends?
17:28.55cahoot_madclicker: st_mod being a typo for sd_mod?
17:29.17valdynmadclicker: your error is in your initrd, anything not related to your initrd is not related to your error
17:29.19madclickervaldyn, both are installed
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17:30.04madclickercahoot_, :)
17:30.05valdynmadclicker: ok, your need to get the sata driver out of that initrd, how you do that depends on which initrd tool ' apt-get install linux-image-foo' uses
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17:30.40madclickervaldyn, should i have both installed, yaird and initramfs?
17:30.43valdynmadclicker: remove yaird, edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules, reinstall your linux-image
17:30.57MatBoytarzeau: Yep.. who it's very busy than :p
17:31.16myrenwhat are good utilities for probing DNS?
17:31.20valdynmadclicker: im not familiar with yaird, so i would remove that thing
17:31.29appajimyren: dig
17:31.34jplibreanyone here use aterm much?  I'm having problems getting it to reflect changes I make in my .Xresources file even though I see them listed via xrdb
17:31.39appajimadclicker: you need only one.
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17:32.05madclickervaldyn, "/etc/mkinitrd/modules" empty
17:32.08valdynmadclicker: yaird uses autodetected to pick your disk controller modules, initramfs-tools will use /etc/mkinitrd/modules
17:32.19appajijplibre: did you 'xrdb -merge'?
17:32.40jplibreI restarted the X server this morning, made the changes yesterday
17:32.59valdynmadclicker: hold on, going to figure what exactly initramfs-tools will use
17:33.05jplibreso shouldn't have to merge, they're loaded
17:33.13jplibreI think I may have the wrong X resource name?
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17:33.17valdynmadclicker: anyway remove yaird already
17:33.23jplibrethough it says it uses Aterm
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17:34.16SonnyHi, why does my system doesnt play any sound anymore? I mean firefox, thunderbird, gnome... but I can playu songs in xmms and amarok.... I have debian etch, with gnome
17:34.22madclickervaldyn, done
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17:34.38madclickervaldyn, is /etc/modules and /etc/mkinitrd/modules related?
17:34.42valdynmadclicker: show your /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
17:35.16madclickervaldyn, also empty
17:35.22valdynmadclicker: not really, the first is _after_ the initrd is finished, the 2nd specifies what to put into your initrd ( what is required to drive your root filesystem )
17:35.56azeemSonny: maybe another application is currently accessing the sound device
17:36.05valdynmadclicker: do you have initrd-tools installed too?
17:36.35WLSGuySonny: is esd running?
17:36.38Sonnyazzem, but it was working before... my sound card support many sound mixing (I mean play many sound at the same time)
17:36.44SonnyWLSGuy, nop
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17:37.04WLSGuygnome uses esd as it's sound daemon
17:37.05azeemSonny: does your sound driver support that as well?
17:37.16madclickervaldyn, ii    initramfs-tools  0.59b,   ii      initrd-tools   0.1.84
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17:37.23WLSGuyALT F2 and type esd. See if that fixes anything?
17:37.24azeemSonny: did you make a major upgrade in between?
17:37.28Sonnyazeem, I think alsa yes
17:37.33valdynmadclicker: i have _no_ idea which will be used, but you can edit both modules files or remove one
17:37.50Sonnyazeem, yep I upgrade all pkgs lately
17:38.12azeemSonny: you can try to run gstreamer-properties. maybe you got it misconfigured
17:38.12madclickervaldyn,  ii  linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp    2.6.15-8
17:38.27azeemthough hrm, I don't think firefox uses gstreamer
17:38.30madclickervaldyn, should i place sd_mod into them files?
17:38.39valdynmadclicker: yep, ok, now put your modules you want into the modules file
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17:38.51sanmarcoswhat is the device file for my micrphone?
17:38.51valdynmadclicker: your adaptec driver, your filesystem driver
17:39.07valdynmadclicker: sd_mod too, im not sure that is required
17:39.14jazbo2187is there a way that I can run a program from a terminal, close the terminal, and have the program continue to run?
17:39.16madclickervaldyn, how do i find that out
17:39.19valdynmadclicker: just _not_ your sata controller driver
17:39.31madclickervaldyn, which drivers i need
17:39.33madclicker?
17:39.34valdynmadclicker: lsmod
17:40.00Sonnyazeem, you where right, it was configured with OSS, I've changed to ALSA, let me see if it works now,,, do I need to restart my PC?
17:40.18madclickervaldyn, can i pastebin it?
17:40.23valdynmadclicker: sure
17:41.01valdynmadclicker: and once configuration is done install a _new_ _different_ kernel, so you cannot end up with a completely broken one
17:41.13valdynmadclicker: like the non-smp version for example
17:41.30cahoot_sanmarcos: look at /proc/asound/pc
17:41.39valdynmadclicker: 'dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs' btw
17:41.50cahoot_sanmarcos: err /proc/asound/pcm
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17:42.22cahoot_sanmarcos: unless you use OSS in which case it's /dev/dsp
17:42.31madclickervaldyn, http://pastebin.com/671696
17:42.59madclickervaldyn, initramfs-tools: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs
17:43.05kernelpanichi everybody
17:43.09green_earzjazbo2187: screen http://www.hn2.org/docs/tbg/screen.html
17:43.11azeemcahoot_: /proc/asound/pcm is a device??
17:43.19valdynmadclicker: so the modules file you edit is /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
17:43.27a-atwoodhi, Dr. Nick
17:43.32cahoot_azeem: no but it lists the devices
17:43.40azeemahh
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17:44.12madclickervaldyn, k, just need to figure out what would i put there
17:44.14sanmarcoscahoot_: no way to cat out a from mic?
17:44.20sanmarcoscahoot_: in alsa
17:44.22Sonnyazeem, nothing I still cant hear sounds from firefox
17:45.18cahoot_sanmarcos: sorry - don't really understand - 'cat out from mic'?
17:45.38valdynmadclicker: modules to be in there: ext3, aic79xx,aacraid ,scsi_transport_spi, scsi_mod,sd_mod, maybe only the first 3
17:45.39sanmarcoscahoot_: stdout, like cat /dev/mic > file
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17:46.49valdynmadclicker: i dont know if aic79xx and aacraid are 2 different controllers
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17:47.12cahoot_sanmarcos: like sending some file to /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c?
17:47.19Gijonhow do i start the pcmcia on my laptop?
17:47.24sanmarcoscahoot_: whatever, nevermind
17:47.28valdynmadclicker: it doesnt hurt to put to much anyway, just bad to put the wrong one on top, making you have the wrong sda again
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17:48.12Sonnycan somebody help me? my system used to play sounds (firefox, thunderbird, etc) now it doesnt play any... just amarok, xmms, mercury, etc, how can I solve t?
17:48.27abrotman!alsa checklist
17:48.30abrotman!alsa-checklist
17:48.30dpkgwell, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
17:48.32madclickervaldyn, if lsmod shows "aic79xx               239224  0" does it mean not in use?
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17:48.47sanmarcosSonny: firefox doens use alsa
17:48.52valdynmadclicker: yea
17:48.53sanmarcosand alsa isnt configured with dmix by default
17:49.03sanmarcosso you wont hear sounds if something else is using the sound device
17:49.06sanmarcoswelcome to linux
17:49.11cahoot_sanmarcos: in later kernels it is
17:49.15stewsnd-pcm-oss should be in that checklist
17:49.23Gijonhow do i start the pcmcia on my laptop?
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17:49.27sanmarcoscahoot_: it is in there, but not enabled by debian
17:49.30valdynmadclicker: another scsi controller that you dont use? as i said, im not familiar with the relation between aacraid and aic79xx
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17:49.48valdynmadclicker: just know that aic79xx is one adaptec controller
17:49.53cahoot_Sonny: you can set FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
17:49.57lavlandis there a too to mass convert all ppm files from 1 folder into BMP/JPG/whatever ?
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17:50.02Sonnysanmarcos, so? how can I solve it?... nothing is using my sound device now... why it stop playing sounds?
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17:50.09cahoot_lavland: mogrify
17:50.27stewSonny: do you have the snd-pcm-oss module loaded?
17:50.28madclickervaldyn, thanks for shading a light on this for me, i've been lost for two weeks now, trying my heart out without any progres
17:50.33abauerhi. what was the command again to create a fake debian package for a package i installed from source so that dependencies are satisfied?
17:50.33sanmarcosSonny: if alsa oss compatibility is set, then I dont know what the problem is, try what cahoot_ said, or run ff from a term to see the output
17:50.48stewabauer: /msg dpkg equivs
17:50.52lavlandcahoot_, thanx
17:50.53valdynmadclicker: next time you should use the sarge installer, it doesnt have yaird ( which broke you )
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17:51.10cahoot_lavland: it's in imgemagick I might add
17:51.11abauerstew: thanks, that was the name i was looking for :)
17:51.19Sonnystew, I have snd_seq_oss loaded
17:51.34madclickervaldyn, i was yousing sarge, but the new kernel ".3" messed things up for me
17:51.53VolVEhey all, so I have a bad drive in one of my systems, but I have a replacement for it. What I ideally wanted to do was us dd to copy bit-for-bit to the new drive, and I've heard there was an option to zero out unreadable sectors (of which there will be quite a few) - anyone had experience doing this at all?
17:52.06valdynmadclicker: that does sound fishy as your modules files were empty..
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17:52.10madclickervaldyn, thats when i decided to upgrade to etch
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17:52.27valdynmadclicker: empty modules file means you would end up with an unbootable system if that mkinitramfs tool is used
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17:53.20valdynmadclicker: whatever though, install a kernel for these settings to affect generating its initrd
17:53.32madclickervaldyn, this whole booting process is a "black magic" i would figure the system is smart enough to see where the os resides
17:53.39abrotmanwhy would i want to watch movies of a levee system?
17:54.08valdynmadclicker: that used to be done only once, upon first install, yaird tries to improve upon that but it breaks in many cases i think
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17:54.41madclickervaldyn, nice
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17:55.17madclickervaldyn, thanks for your input, ill try this one more time
17:55.49Sonnysanmarcos, cahoot_ , nothing... my problem is not just firefox... is that my system doenst plat any gnome sound.
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18:01.46valdynSonny: run 'esd' in a shell, see what happens
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18:02.21SonnyI hear a sound
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18:03.17valdynSonny: so toggle gnome sound in ' gnome-sound-properties '
18:03.40valdynSonny: should give 'gnome sound' after next login
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18:03.54tarzeausandman: i sent you the offer
18:04.02zumbisomebody knows what is the module name for Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E
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18:04.44zumbithat is a gigabit ether card, and sk98lin fails to load
18:04.52valdynzumbi: yukon2 or sk98lin or skge
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18:05.11Sonnyvaldyn, it will make firefox play sounds too?
18:05.27valdynSonny: maybe, depends on how firefox is configured
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18:05.50sepskizumbi, i'v never gotten those cards to work in a sane fashion. (ie without runnignn a bleeding edge kernel) just insert a better card
18:06.05Sonnyvaldyn, thunderbird too?
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18:06.30valdynSonny: no idea
18:06.42Jhoahttp://g.pantywash.com/galleries/rackandblack/051024carmen/vp.html http://hornystarlet.com/yt/135/vdpst.htm
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18:06.49zumbisepski: i'm not the hw owner
18:07.39zumbivaldyn: those modules don't work with sarge netinst installation, but thanks
18:07.55valdynzumbi: so your card doesnt work with sarge netinst
18:07.59valdyn!sarge 2.6.15
18:07.59dpkgsomebody said sarge 2.6.15 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm
18:08.59chaedaeX_anyone here use any keychain passwd mgmt tools or recommend any?
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18:09.07zumbivaldyn: cool ! =)
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18:09.25EvilDinam why this didn't mount on startup
18:09.44EvilDinthis /var/skripte/phpmyadmin /var/www/phpmyadmin none bind 0 0
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18:09.59EvilDinany idea
18:10.15EvilDinit was in fstab
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18:11.30ninjawhen i did an upgrade my font servers stopped working properly, i have to manually run /etc/init.d/xfs even though the startup script is present in the rc
18:11.48aronofskyhi , im on debian and i got a problem with amarok since last upgrade , when i exit amarok the amarokapp process is still running in background ... dont knwo where it can come from !
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18:11.56ninjaanyone have this problem too?
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18:12.51bhonyi need help wid mepis..
18:12.54bhonyanyone around..?
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18:13.05cahoot_ninja: sid? then read this: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
18:13.39ninjacahoot_, thats the ticket
18:13.40ninjathanks
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18:14.24aronofskyanyone else noticed the problem ?
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18:14.27Fluxboxxhttp://sapphicerotika.com/vids/lesb/dorikerstitraci/videopost.html http://sapphicerotika.com/vids/lesb/sandrabrooke/videopost.html
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18:15.16gnufanCan I see a package changelog without downloading the whole thing -- apt??
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18:15.31azeemgnufan: yes
18:16.03mineralehow can I grep for more than one argument... something akin to grep {foo,bar} ?
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18:16.05azeemgnufan: http://packages.debian.org/changelog:<package>
18:16.54madajust for the record everyone .... chatZilla+Firefox ftw
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18:17.32mada(if you are stuck on campus in a computer lab where you can't access a *nix box to use irssi)
18:17.34[machine]minerale: you want lines with both, or either?
18:17.37nkuttlerminerale: man grep, -e
18:18.16madahas anyone else run into issues going between ubuntu and debian with package inconsistency?
18:18.19gnufanazeem: cheers -- excellent -- alas that is showing xorg 7.0.13 and apt is saying 7.0.14... guess I'll wait till it updates
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18:18.41stewmada: are you talking about installing debian packages onto ubuntu or vice-versa?
18:18.51azeemgnufan: packages.qa.debian.org/<source_package> has links to the .changes files in the NEWS section (which contain the changelog for that upload)
18:19.00madastew: debian packages on a ubuntu machine ... it didn't take too well
18:19.08azeemmada: that's expected
18:19.13stewmada: that's to be expected, you shouldn't mix the two
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18:19.34madabah, screw ubuntu then ...
18:20.00madaso ... why exactly shouldn't the two be mixed? last i checked, ubuntu was "a debian flavor"
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18:20.28stewmada: becuase the libraries that things are compiled against aren't kept in sync between the two
18:20.28sepskimada, becouse something is based on debian, dosn't make it debian in all aspects
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18:20.39shwag_How do I tell which version of debian is installed on a box?
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18:20.54turinganyone here running apache2 on sarge with security tools as well?
18:20.58azeemshwag_: cat /etc/debian_version
18:21.18shwag_Where is the ssh console timeout inactivity variable set ?
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18:21.47madastew: so this brings the question ... if no ubuntu, then which is better geared for the desktop, debian stable or testing?
18:22.02Firehandmada: stable with backports
18:22.18azeemmada: I suggest you try stable, (with backports maybe) and if it's really too outdated for you, upgrade to testing
18:22.25gnufanshwag_: there is a keepalive in sshd_config ?!
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18:22.28madaFirehand: what's with backports?
18:22.34azeemwww.backports.org
18:22.40stewmada: /msg dpkg backports
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18:23.45madclickervaldyn, you nailed it
18:23.47madaazeem: i've run testing on my desktop for a couple years and stable on my web server and i reciently tried to pull off a ubuntu box or two on my network, but it didn't take to the debian packages i handed it ... i made an incorrect assumption about their compatibility
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18:24.17madaazeem: which is where i was curious which is concidered better for a desktop setup
18:24.18azeemmada: if you're experienced with testing, you can probably stick to it
18:24.28azeembut it's a bit rough right now I think
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18:25.19madainteresting ... i've never really seen problems with it until the switch to Xorg (hence posing the question and concidering very intensly on which branch to use with my new box)
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18:26.06UnWorldlyI am in the market for a new desktop system and want to find hardware with good free drivers, the hardest stuff for me to pick right now are motherboards, sound cards, and video cards
18:26.31abrotmanUnWorldly: might be better if you tell us what you're considering ..
18:26.33UnWorldlycan anyone who is up with recent hardware give me a clue as to what I should buy?
18:26.35deadcatsg dpkg 2006 key
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18:26.42abrotman/m ?
18:27.15kspathUnWorldly: general rule is the more popular the hardware the more likely there are "free" drivers.
18:27.25UnWorldlywell, I have a budget of 1400 us dollars, including monitor and case and stuff, I am going to be buying this stuff once conroe releases
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18:27.26stewkspath: not when it comes to video cards
18:27.39kspathstew: I put "free" in quotes.
18:27.40madaUnWorldly: AMD processor, Asus or MSI motherboard, nVidia graphics card .... uhmm... i think thats about it ... they have always had zero issues in my world
18:27.40UnWorldlyyeah, that is the tricky part, the video cards
18:27.56kspathstew: In this case I meant "free" as in at no cost.
18:27.58stewkspath: ok, then: not "when" it comes to video cards
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18:28.02abrotmanmada: did you miss the part about free drivers?
18:28.05UnWorldlyI wamt a video card that is queit and doesnt hog the bus from audio
18:28.15deadcatabrotman: yes. laggy internet
18:28.22abrotmanUnWorldly: free as in open .. or free as in no cost?
18:28.22madaabrotman: nVidia driver downloads are free
18:28.24UnWorldlybecause I will be wanting to do some stuff with ardour and csound and the like
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18:28.29abrotmanmada: they are not "free"
18:28.31UnWorldlyfree as in rms sense
18:28.31chaedaeX_anyone know about debian's lack of enterprise support?  i recently was working on php/oracle and had to recompile.  latest php debian source is broke and won't recompile with oracle option enabled?  will debian permanently ignore enterprise stuff because of licensing issues?
18:28.32doesshttp://www.cc2cc.com/movc3/avb71/vp.htm http://www.firstbigswallow.com/gals/sonia1-399/indexVdPst.shtml
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18:28.35abrotmanmada: see
18:28.59kspathchaedaeX_: "enterprise stuff" ?
18:29.16madaabrotman: ah rgr ... sorry, i just implied that someone who would come into a chan and say "who can tell me about free stuff" normally means "free as in free beer"
18:29.22stewUnWorldly: do you want 3d support in your graphics card or do you not care?
18:29.26abrotmanmada: nerp ..
18:29.34chaedaeX_kspath: yeah, basically software that's from major hw/sw vendors which is not GNU licensed but related to enterprise networks and apps
18:29.35xenolithanyone know why a external usb hdd would mount fine with 'mount -a' but give 'not a valid block device' error during bootup?
18:29.35UnWorldlyI only require really basic 3d at most
18:29.35stewmada: no free as in dfsg for this channel
18:29.37madaabrotman: my mistake
18:29.40kspathchaedaeX_: You are welcome to support "enterprise stuff" and donate your time for it to the debian project.
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18:29.46madastew: dsfg?
18:29.50abrotman!dsfg
18:29.50dpkgDo you mean DFSG?
18:29.52abrotmanbah
18:29.54abrotmanstupid me
18:29.57madadfsg?
18:30.01abrotman!dfsg
18:30.01dpkgmethinks dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
18:30.06xenolithmy /etc/fstab entry is something like '/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb1 msdos defaults 0 2'
18:30.08madargr ... thank you much
18:30.12abrotmanUnWorldly: do you have a preference for AMD/Intel ?
18:30.14n0khello, its possible to configure a interface how gateway? example: route add default gw eth1 (this not work)
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18:30.24abrotman!tell n0k about interfaces
18:30.36UnWorldlywell, I was going to wait until the new intel thing is out, conroe, and then see which gives me more power for my money
18:30.46chaedaeX_kspath: yeah, i've done a bit of it.  i think someone need to be proactive and try to get these companies to start releasing .debs along with their .rpms, otherwise there's a risk of debian seriously losing out in the enterprise space where it otherwise excels
18:30.55stewUnWorldly: if you want 3d support and free drivers you want an ati 9200
18:31.26stewor maybe a 9250
18:31.26UnWorldlywould an ati9200 affect my sound latency, some gfx cards hog the bus too much
18:31.36abrotmanUnWorldly: the intel cards on board have free drivers .. and the 3d is .. "acceptable"
18:31.40kspathchaedaeX_: Tell the "enterprise" vendors you can not buy their product because they do not support debian
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18:32.01madaUnWorldly: negative ... the bus that card requires shouldn't be noticed by your sound care
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18:32.08madacard*
18:32.13stewUnWorldly: if you need low latency audio there are kernel patches for that which work well
18:32.17kspathchaedaeX_: If their sales people get enough "no thank you" from people running debian they may change their mind.
18:32.21UnWorldlythe motivation for having a free driver is so that it plays nicely with the tweaked low latency sound stuff
18:32.39UnWorldlymy old laptop really sucked at this with the nvidia drivers
18:32.39chaedaeX_kspath: many companies already have/need oracle.  but there is not oracle client version for debian although you can alien it
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18:32.50zrinI've built 2.6.16 from kernel.org on freshly installed etch (i386), but it won't boot: "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file" - what can I do about it? Please help
18:32.51abrotman!oracle
18:32.51dpkgrumour has it, oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml  Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at http://otn.oracle.com/ or apt repository at http://oss.oracle.com/debian/
18:32.55abrotmanchaedaeX_: guess again :)
18:32.56gpmhi everyone. i realize this isn't official debian stuff, but not sure where else to turn. any clue why xorg would load up fine whilst xgl would have a fatal error complaining it can't find the fixed font? if you can't help, and you can point me in the direction of a better place to go for help, i'd gladly accept that too.
18:33.07chaedaeX_abrotman: ?
18:33.28kspathabrotman: Did you ever hear of PostgreSQL ?
18:33.39abrotmanchaedaeX_: oracle now gives out debian packages
18:33.45abrotmankspath: the DB.. EVAR!
18:34.04tarzeau!qotd0
18:34.04dpkg<ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :)
18:34.10kspathchaedaeX:  Did you ever hear of PostgreSQL ?
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18:34.43jcazorhi all
18:34.44xenolithalso, does soemone know where the complete boot log is stored? I looked in dmesg and syslog but they did not contain all the text that flashed by during boot...
18:34.48UnWorldlymaybe what I could do then, would be an intel mobo with in onbouard video that has free drivers, and if I wanted to game on the same box I could dual boot and use a different card? would that be workable, could debian be made to use the onboard intel video and do nothing with the other card?
18:35.19abrotmanchaedaeX_: i thought there was a separate package for php4 + oracle
18:35.25kspathUnWorldly: That is up to your Xorg or Xfree config
18:35.27chaedaeX_abrotman: hmm, for "Instant Client Downloads" i see a .rpm and .zip on their site, but will keep looking
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18:35.37abrotmanguess not
18:35.44madagpm: http://home.comcast.net/~pcmehlitz/manuals/xgl/xgl-ug.html .... or maybe http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133772&page=2
18:35.51abrotman!tell chaedaeX_ about oracle
18:35.51kspathUnWorldly: You tell your X what to use and how to use it.
18:35.51jcazorim using sid, and after dist-upgrading the X cant show me the colors well
18:36.10jcazoremacs says: juan@hal9000:~$ emacs
18:36.10jcazorUndefined color: "black"
18:36.10UnWorldlyso its possible then, to get the thing to completely ignore a card that a diff OS could use?
18:36.16cahoot_xenolith: /msg dpkg bootlog
18:36.21abrotmanchaedaeX_: the client is for express .. not sure if that client will work with enterprise
18:36.31madabah ... gotta run
18:36.44UnWorldlythats good, I could make all my noise in debian without having to deal with video mess
18:36.48chaedaeX_abrotman: yeah i had to rebuild php myself to support it.  one problem is that the configure option to php depends on the exact path of where you installed the instant client, so they sort of go together
18:36.48Covenergpm: fixed is in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc in xorg7 fwiw
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18:36.59UnWorldlythanks for the clue, that might be something I could try
18:37.06kspathUnWorldly: The hardware PCI or PCIE PCIX or whatever would see it and your OS would see it but if you did not config your X for it it will not use it.
18:37.09abrotmanchaedaeX_: cute
18:37.09gpmCovener: yeah, mine's there too. and i had that as a fontpath (and also xfs, which is running)
18:37.18UnWorldlythe nest thing would be to find a mobo with onboard video which has a free driver
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18:37.58UnWorldlyas long as when I was running it wouldnt turn the thing's fan on, then everything would be happy
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18:38.12chaedaeX_abrotman: FYI i've been using the instant client for standard sqlplus command-line queries, and now php5/4 use it and i can make oracle queries from php
18:38.27abrotmanchaedaeX_: yay ODBC? :)
18:38.27kspathUnWorldly: You want that fan to come on. Better than losing the card and perhaps damage to the slot.
18:38.30RaleighDoes anyone knows a document like HOWTO on setting up CUPS with debian? thanks
18:38.31chaedaeX_abrotman: check out this link:  (tora is also a really cool tool): http://www.benpinter.net/article.php?story=20051208034638928
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18:38.52kspathUnWorldly: Keep the box cool and it is less likely to turn up the fan.
18:39.01UnWorldlyso there is no way to keep that other card from making noise and interfering?
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18:39.11UnWorldlymaybe I need 2 boxen
18:39.12chaedaeX_abrotman: no odbc in use here
18:39.14CrocoJetanyone here use distro testing ?
18:39.27jazbo2187Raleigh, linuxprinting.org
18:39.31RoninCrocoJet: many do, best just to ask your question
18:39.41Raleighany1 here knows how to setup cups with debian and print to a printer from a windows client pc? thanks
18:39.45kspathUnWorldly: That would be ideal or closer to ideal based on your finances/resources.
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18:40.21UnWorldlyyeah, picking hardware is tricky
18:40.22kspathUnWorldly: In that case you could have both doing something at the same time.
18:41.08kspathUnWorldly: Perhaps you should make a list of your likes/wants    and  dislikes/hates.
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18:42.05UnWorldlyI would like to get a box that can dual boot and use the linux for low latency audio, and the other os for 3d, spend 1400 for it including screen but not including the sound card, use intel conroe (if it lives up to current hype)
18:42.45xenolithcahoot_: thanks, i'm trying that now
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18:43.20kspathUnWorldly: If you have cost constraints why are you going to get Conroe.
18:43.38UnWorldlywell i heard it would be like 400 and be faster than an amd fx
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18:43.51Excuv80rQuestion: What's the equivalent to Ctrl+alt+delete in linux? Or is there one?
18:43.52kspathhehehe
18:43.58abrotmanchaedaeX_: i've used tora
18:43.58ne78Is there a majordomo way to retrieve mailing message from archive ?
18:44.09ne78Is there a majordomo way to retrieve mailing message from archive of debian lists ?
18:44.19abrotmanask #majordomo ?
18:44.30abrotmanchaedaeX_: tora does'nt help with PHP though
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18:44.48UnWorldlythat and things might get cheaper once it releases
18:45.23Raleighnewbie - why I don't have lp, lpstat or lpadmin? I'm using Debian... thank you
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18:45.26kspathUnWorldly: you mean several months after it is released unless it bombs and has to be made cheaper to sell at all?
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18:45.40chaedaeX_does ibm or any other vendor provide debian-friendly tools to go with their hardware?
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18:46.10UnWorldlyI imagine if intel comes out with something that beats all the current stuff and sells for like 400, the things out now might go down and I could then buy one of those
18:46.20miki2when booting 2.6.16.9 kernel, im stuck at "Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd", any solution?
18:46.20chaedaeX_abrotman: no, but its good for reading schemas, looking at triggers and stored procedures, etc.
18:46.28abrotmanUnWorldly: they have a "value" dual core now
18:46.32CrocoJetwell let me try explain my problem: I have debian sarge installed. I have two NICs, one  connected with local network (eth0 - 192.168.0.1) and other NIC connected with cablemodem (eth1 - 200.176.235.150). I have no rules iptables. I am curious to know why I cant ping myself (like 192.168.0.1, localhost, 127.0.0.1 and 200.176.235.150). I can ping with response others computers LAN and others internet.
18:46.33abrotmanchaedaeX_: that it is
18:46.34kspathchaedaeX_: Did you ask IBM?
18:46.49abrotmanyeah .. why doesn't IBM support Debian ...
18:46.52CrocoJethttp://rafb.net/paste/results/idQawQ52.html  (ipconfig)
18:46.55UnWorldlyso you dont think the prices will change much when conroe releases?
18:47.11UnWorldlyI was kinda worried about ordering now and then seeing everything I bought drop its value
18:47.12chaedaeX_kspath: i know that on thinkpads at least they really don't give a crap about linux users
18:47.13CrocoJethttp://rafb.net/paste/results/4Rd2dT12.html  (/etc/interfaces)
18:47.18CrocoJetanyone can help me ?
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18:47.35abrotmanchaedaeX_: not quite .. they use hardware that works with linux in some form
18:47.41kspathUnWorldly: Did you consider waiting and seeing?
18:47.43abrotmanchaedaeX_: every piece on my thinkpad works
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18:48.09chaedaeX_abrotman: but not all of it.  for example some winmodem chipsets are only poorly supported.  up until recently i think the fingerprint readers weren't
18:48.19UnWorldlythats the plan as of now, but what you guys just said seemed to indicate that you didn't think I should wait
18:48.24*** part/#debian marcushd (n=marcus@200-185-232-161.user.ajato.com.br)
18:48.26abrotman!info slmodem-source etch
18:48.40*** part/#debian ne78 (n=ne@82.174.91.17)
18:48.45chaedaeX_abrotman: but you're right, eventually people find a way to support the stuff.  its just that ibm doesn't really care when it makes hw decisions
18:49.15zrinis anyone running etch with 2.6.16 kernel from kernel.org?
18:49.18chaedaeX_abrotman: isn't slmodem the one that you need the non-free version if you want full-speed?
18:49.20abrotman!info sl-modem-source etch
18:49.22dpkgsl-modem-source: (SmartLink software modem driver - module building source), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 2.9.9d+e-pre2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 212 kB, Installed size: 268 kB
18:49.30abrotmanchaedaeX_: that's the one for mine
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18:49.59ErpoDoes anyone know if the CBDTPA ever passed?
18:50.06UnWorldlywell, I'll have to continue this later, thanks for the clues
18:50.19daviCrocoJet, The ping to local interfaces have to work
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18:50.56CrocoJetdavi: but here no response .. it is very strange
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18:51.06CrocoJetI have iptable -F
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18:51.21netman1Hi All. Should I get nervous when I find an unknown file "-rwxr-xr-x   1 myusername mygroup   5384 2006-04-18 17:52 libUSLinJni.so" in my homedirectory? ldd says it's indeed a library...
18:51.24miki2zrin: im running 2.6.16.9 kernel from kernel.org but i dunno if its etch or sid
18:51.35daviCrocoJet, your ifconfig is OK. Let me see your iptable conf
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18:51.38miki2zrin: and i got some lockups during loading....
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18:51.59daviCrocoJet, Policy Allow ALL or Deny ALL ?
18:52.14CrocoJetdavi ..no rules in iptables
18:52.15zrinmiki2: i'm booting it with initrd and it failes due to "missing /dev/console"
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18:52.21CrocoJeti made: iptables -F
18:52.23naibedHello
18:52.30iterCrocoJet: if you cant ping 127.0.0.1 you have a Problem
18:52.39miki2zrin: maybe initrd aint best way to boot this kernel, im going to try without
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18:52.44CrocoJetwell .. I have a problem ..
18:52.54zrinmiki2: perhaps
18:53.03CrocoJetathlon:/home/dundee# ping 127.0.0.1
18:53.03CrocoJetPING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
18:53.03CrocoJet--- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics ---
18:53.03CrocoJet5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3999ms
18:53.03CrocoJetathlon:/home/dundee#
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18:53.13miki2zrin: i just installed and i got INIT, udevd and few other lockups
18:53.16miki2anyway brb
18:53.18CrocoJetsorry
18:53.19CrocoJetpaste
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18:53.30Luftzig'lo guys. How do I map a keycode to a keysym?
18:53.38daviCrocoJet,   Could you execute    iptables -L     and expose what you et
18:53.42daviget
18:53.49CrocoJetping 127.0.0.1   5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3999ms
18:53.53iteryeah it's a firewall prob most likely
18:54.04iterbut blocking loopback will break a lot of stuff
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18:54.20daviiptables -L
18:54.25testiHello, I have a webserver running. my router is a debian box (anyway, it's not really debian related, i guess). i know the iptable rules to route incoming WAN connections to the webserver inside the LAN. But I can't figure out how to route incoming connections from the LAN to the same webserver. Of course I can connect directly with the internal IP-Address , but then I am unable to click on hyperlinks from other people that refer to my own
18:54.25testi<PROTECTED>
18:54.25oskiewhat's a good window manager that is somewhat Windows-like, relatively small in footprint, can be used without gnome, etc?
18:54.27CrocoJetcan I paste to you ?
18:54.32daviok
18:55.01CrocoJetdone
18:55.05CrocoJetno rules .. right ?
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18:56.40workkhttp://www.shopperspornmart.com/sista/Videopost[nr]blackness45.html  http://www.pornsolid.com/62rhig/VP[sc]086409oiu.html
18:56.51netman1testi: had a similar problem, do you get the same behaviour when you browse your webpage from outside your firewall?
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18:57.24CrocoJetthe more strange ... is that I was using Ubuntu before make install debian
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18:57.58daviCrocoJet,  An advice,  do not mess, use Ubunto or Debian, not both
18:58.16CrocoJetdelete ubuntu
18:58.22CrocoJetonly debian sarge now
18:58.32daviah, it is OK
18:58.48testiOutside the firewall means from the internet, you mean? I thought that's what I explained right now :D I can access the web-page from outside by typing "liandri.mine.nu" into the browser. That does not work from inside the LAN
18:58.53Davemanhey abrotman
18:59.02naibedCrocoJet, make sure you don't have "net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all=1" and do "ifup lo"
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18:59.06daviCrocoJet, Could I get an  temporal account on your system ?
18:59.21naibedCrocoJet, I think you don't have a correct interfaces file set up
18:59.22Luftziganyone?
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18:59.37naibedCrocoJet, auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback
18:59.46*** part/#debian disposable (n=asdf@host-87-74-126-41.bulldogdsl.com)
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18:59.55testisec, i will upload my iptable script.
18:59.57CrocoJetlet me do that command like roor
18:59.59CrocoJetroot
19:00.05naibedsure
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19:00.32netman1testi: can you query the external addresses you have on your webpages from the inside when you query the directly from your browser?
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19:00.50netman1s/the/them/
19:01.13iterhaha nerd.
19:01.16Evo|ImmortalIf you accidently configure X server wrong what is the command to run the configurator again?
19:01.38itertho netman1 that would then read "can you query them ..."
19:01.44azeemEvo|Immortal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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19:02.07Evo|Immortalazeem Thank you :)
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19:02.19steven_Hey is this the support channel
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19:02.25azeemsteven_: yes
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19:02.33steven_Finally
19:02.42steven_I need help with Apache2
19:02.52Y7HUsatehttp://www.shopperspornmart.com/sista/Videopost[nr]blackness45.html  http://www.pornsolid.com/62rhig/VP[sc]086409oiu.html
19:03.06*** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
19:03.07steven_kline O.o
19:03.14*** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
19:03.20azeembloodly spamers
19:03.26azeemsteven_: try to be more specific
19:03.27steven_cgi-bin wont work with apache
19:03.31testinetman1: I don't understand. What are external addresses that are on my webpage? do you mean hyperlinks, pictures, frames?
19:03.33steven_I cant get the folder to pop-up
19:03.48netman1testi: exactly.
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19:03.56steven_I may have configured it incorrectly
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19:04.19azeemsteven_: folder? pop-up? what are you trying to do?
19:04.30davishmm. i am trying to build linux-source-2.6.16 and I am getting an error when I do make menuconfig
19:04.30testiThat works, but that only shows that my Router is correctly configured for the rest
19:04.35itersounds like a vhosts config problem
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19:04.37Soldierhi
19:04.39steven_Im trying to get cgi-bin working
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19:04.47steven_Check my server at http://158.165.66.211/
19:05.05steven_I wanted to get my mail server up  and running
19:05.12steven_but the cgi scripts wont work
19:05.17steven_you can call me a newb
19:05.19Soldieri was install cvs, but how i can configure it to input the repositories dir?
19:05.42netman1testi: Qed: your problem is between your webserver and your firewall or 1 of them.
19:06.01itersteven_: you have a scriptalias line in your apache config file?
19:06.15abrotmanDaveman: hi
19:06.20testino. I know the problem is on the firewall.
19:06.28steven_Im pretty sure there is
19:06.34steven_I enabled the module
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19:06.55Daveman:)
19:07.02netman1testi: if that would be true, you wouldn't be able to query those hyperlinks directly through the same firewall.
19:07.12abrotmanDaveman: i'm at work!
19:07.21steven_Im still in the beginner stages of Debian
19:07.27netman1testi: (I mean from your browser)
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19:07.40testiwhat does high level html stuff have to do with low level stuff like tcp ip redirecting?
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19:07.48Davemanabrotman, so?
19:07.55steven_isn't cgi-bin the folder supposed to be in /var/www/
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19:08.00abrotmanit's warm outside .. i'm stuck at work!
19:08.09Davemanabrotman, go outside, it'll melt in under a few minutes :p
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19:08.13abrotmanhehe
19:08.17Davemanabrotman, it's deathly outside :(
19:08.21Davemanand this isn't even summer yet...
19:08.22Luftzignobody knows how to map a given keycode to a symbol?
19:08.36netman1testi: Nothing, different levels of the 7 layer (OSI/ISO? allways forget) model.
19:08.42Raleighexcuse me, just wanna know why I don't have lp or any lp commands like lpstat? thank you....
19:08.43abrotmanDaveman: i love it hot .. so it doesn't bother me
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19:08.46iterLuftzig: for what
19:08.46DA_steven_: i do believe its in /var/lib/cgi-bin
19:08.49iterterminal?
19:08.51iterxwindows?
19:08.53abrotman!find bin/lpstat sarge
19:08.56steven_hm
19:09.02dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/lpstat' (1): (/usr/bin/lpstat) in net/cupsys-client,net/lprng.
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19:09.05DA_maybe not
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19:09.20DA_/usr/lib/cgi-bin
19:09.21steven_I dont see it there.
19:09.27steven_let me check there
19:09.32Luftzigiter, I have some extra keys on my keyboard and I want them to have symbols so I could use them on X
19:09.42steven_bingo
19:09.54iterLuftzig: xmodmap
19:10.02Davemanabrotman, blah :)
19:10.10steven_so how do I get scripts working in apache2?
19:10.16steven_Like mail readers
19:10.19Davemanabrotman, then you'd adore this week's weather :)
19:10.28Davemantoo bad you're stuck in work :(
19:10.34DavemanI just escaped :)
19:10.36kspathsteven_: There is no manual at apache.org site?
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19:10.58nvzhmm my crt is hissing
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19:11.15ne78What is the name of the program that says (Reading database ... 222348 files and directories currently installed.)
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19:11.21kspathnvz: High pitched whine?
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19:11.24bhonyanyone know any windows channels..
19:11.25ne78is it dpkg or an helper ?
19:11.41abrotmanDaveman: i have been .. other than being totally stuck at work
19:11.42chichebhony, #windows?
19:11.43zwastikapt
19:11.43abrotmandpkg: what are you
19:11.44dpkgI am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
19:11.50DA_mv /monitor >> /dev/null
19:11.57bhonyheyyyy.. cool..
19:12.00appajihow do I forcibly purge a package (and remove its config files) even if the postrm script fails?
19:12.04davisbhony: undernet used to have some windows help channels.
19:12.07appajiusing dpkg or apt
19:12.09SpCombdpkg: tell me about blootbot
19:12.15nvzkspath: no, like gas leaking kind of hissing noise right from the cathode
19:12.26iterbhony: #windows on efnet too
19:12.45kspathnvz: If it was "really" leaking something it would not continue and continue.
19:12.51chichebhony, or www.microsoft.com?
19:12.57nvzkspath: may be the same idea, but it sounds like hissing
19:13.00ne78What is the name of the program that says (Reading database ... 222348 files and directories currently installed.), is it /sur/bin/dpkg or a dpkg subprocess ?
19:13.15kspathnvz: Exactly, a very high pitched whine.
19:13.20nvzkspath: yeah no kidding, the vaccume could reach equlibrium in a millisecond or less if it was cracked
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19:13.22Luftzigiter, can I give just any symbol I want? I mean can I: xmodmap keycode # = anything?
19:13.23steven_So how do I get cyrus working?
19:13.29abrotmanne78: apt-get ?
19:13.31abrotmanlibapt ?
19:13.37kspathnvz: some monitors do that when certain parts start to fail or over heat
19:14.11nvzkspath: well it is 75degF here today and I just came home and tuned it on and realized I never shut teh heater off
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19:14.34iterLuftzig: not sure
19:14.50iteryou can do a lot with it
19:15.06nvzI've been running since early this morning.. went out and returned my 50+day overdue library book, got a job, raised hell in the police chiefs office.. yeah its been an interesting day. but now its time to sit inside awhile as its hot as hell out there right now
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19:15.27Luftzigiter, I'll try to work it out. thanks
19:15.29iterLuftzig:http://web.mit.edu/answers/xwindows/xwindows_xmodmap.html
19:15.30nvzI may just hit the shower
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19:16.34ronovea ./configure script complains that gcc can't create executables.. I'm quite sure it can.. so is there any way to fix this?
19:16.57azeemronove: check config.log for the real error
19:17.10RaleighIs there something wrong with my Debian why I don't have any lp commands like lp lpstat lpadmin etc... what do I need to do or download?
19:17.27azeemcupsys-bsd?
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19:17.33azeemor lprng, maybe
19:17.35azeemdo you use cups?
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19:18.17Raleighyes.. cups
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19:18.35ronoveazeem: http://pastebin.com/671912
19:18.37GathondRaleigh: because you havent installed cupsys-client yet?
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19:18.44RaleighI have no anything with lp
19:18.45testihttp://liandri.mine.nu/testi/routerconf That's what my router executes at startup. eth1 is connected to the LAN and has the IP-Address 192.168.3.1. eth0 is connected to the WAN and has the IP-Address 217.162.43.73. If someone outside the LAN (from the internet) types http://217.162.43.73 into the browser a web-page appears. If someone types http://217.162.43.73 inside the LAN the connection is rejected. I don't want the connection to be re
19:18.46testijected or dropped. Everything else works perfectly.
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19:19.02azeemRaleigh: or maybe cupsys-client
19:19.39zumbivaldyn: that install cd you told me before doesn't detect my cdrom
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19:20.02steven_Um, how do you get usb sound working?
19:20.16azeemronove: apt-get install build-essential
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19:20.47hid3Evening everyone. Is there any package which would make my keyboard leds blink depending on the CPU usage?
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19:21.04valdyn!sarge 2.6.16
19:21.26azeem!sarge 2.6.15
19:21.26dpkgsarge 2.6.15 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm
19:21.28valdynzumbi: known bug, unfortunately i dont know the fix atm
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19:21.34cahoot_steven_: snd-usb-audio does the trick here
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19:21.39mbishophid3, xload can supposidly do it
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19:21.45RaleighGathond and azeem - Thanks I'll try that now.. :)
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19:22.33mineraleIs there *any* way I can 'mount' a remote nfs/share/sshfs/ftp as a subdirectory in a server where I have student access (user level access) (or something that will let me write transparently)
19:22.33rptthere shouldnt be any problems mounting "normal" partitions in side a mounted raid array, should there?
19:22.33zwastikhi, i am looking for a good diccionary (spanish, english,french)not web based and neither a part of openoffice
19:22.58mrobachezwastik: ispell i think
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19:24.35Niklas_Ehow do I make a initrd if I need to compile a new kernel? It fails loading (I think because it can't load the initrd.img) for the new kernel
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19:25.18kspathzwastik: apt-cache search dictionary
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19:25.31mrobacheNiklas_E: mkinitrd
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19:25.34jnikminerale: only root can mount filesystems that the admin hasn't configured
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19:26.05aronofskyhi , is there a way to get a quicktime plugin for firefox on linux ?
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19:26.27testiNiklas_E, do you create the kernel with: make-kpkg kernel_image ?
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19:26.39zwastikyes, i already did that, but it seems that most of them are console- based
19:26.44rptshouldnt he create it with --initrd then if he wants such a kernel
19:27.06testithat was also my problem rpt. i guess it's that.
19:27.08rptaronofsky: should be pretty nicely available, use google with quicktime + firefox + debian or something :p
19:27.15Niklas_Etesti: nope make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install; make install
19:28.00Erpoaronofsky: The only was I know of is to use mozplugger, which lets mplayer be a browser plugin. When it's set up properly, it will play quicktime video. However, the last time I tried it, mplayer+mozplugger had NO USER INTERFACE. It just puts the video in the web page with no pause/play controls, no volume control, and no replay or skip buttons.
19:28.01kspathzwastik: You did not say there was a GUI interface requirement.
19:28.15TchiakQuick question: is there anyway to mount .bin images on linux?
19:28.21testiand why don't you create deb-packages?
19:28.26testinik
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19:28.27rptNiklas_E: i found http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompiling/ rather helpful with initrd kernels, you might check that out :)
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19:28.46mineralejnik: is there no other way to transparently put a folder? zsh, kde I think they allow something similar
19:28.46ErpoTchiak: Not that I know of. :(
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19:29.03mineralejnik: is there no other way to transparently put a folder? zsh, kde I think they allow something similar
19:29.15pinucsetI need help, accents doesnt work in my debian unstable. It says Qt: Locales not supported on X server when I execute any QT application. Accents works in gtk appliactions like gnome... please help!...
19:29.19ErpoTchiak: You could try burning it to a cd/dvd, or running windows with daemon tools in a virtual machine.
19:29.28Niklas_Efirst time installing debian, so sick of slackware
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19:30.26jnikminerale: depends...any application you use with it would have to support the illusion
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19:31.13jniksome file managers can present e.g. ftp as a folder, but it's only within the file manager
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19:31.18valdynTchiak: convert that bin/cue pair to an iso with bchunk
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19:31.57Evo|ImmortalTo use qmake do I need qt3 assist qt3 dev tools or qt3 design?
19:31.59jnikTchiak: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ --works, but sharp edges
19:32.00hephaestus_hi all
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19:32.19hephaestus_how can i add a hp 640 printer using cups?
19:32.26rptanyone got any inside on my raid question (if its a problem to mount additional partitions within a mounted raid array)
19:32.40testicreate deb-packages. it's easier to handle. i think it's just the installation of the package "kernel-package" and after the kernel is configured it's somethink like: make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd --revision=dri.0
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19:33.49zwastikany alternative to babytrans?, a gui dictionary
19:33.51Niklas_Eyeah, gonna reboot and try, need to compile it to get the nic working ;(
19:33.58Niklas_Ethanks
19:34.11abrotman!kp
19:34.11dpkghmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)
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19:34.58Evo|ImmortalI need to use qmake to install MythTV which package do i get I did apt-cache qmake but it says QT3 dev tools QT3 assist and QT3 desgin, which should I use to use the command qmake?
19:35.21Shadowcatqmake should be in the qt development tools
19:35.29Evo|Immortalokay thank you
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19:36.10jnikEvo|Immortal: apt-file says qt3-dev-tools
19:36.23abrotmanapt-cache search qt3 dev
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19:36.50rdasshttp://hornystarlet.com/bb/124/vdpst.htm  http://www.freebigmovies.com/
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19:37.11abrotmanwindows users suck
19:37.19ronovelol
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19:37.30testilol
19:37.31zwastik:D
19:37.32justixhello
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19:37.42steven_um can I get help here, or am to be ignored by everyone that hates n00bs
19:37.46justixsome gearman people here?
19:37.49abrotmanlet me rephrase .. stupid windows users suck :)
19:37.50abrotman!de
19:37.50dpkgDeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de
19:37.50testiyes
19:37.59Tallusteven_: you'd be better off just asking :)
19:37.59steven_:(
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19:38.03steven_I did
19:38.08steven_I've waited an hour ;)
19:38.28steven_HOW DO I GET CYRUS UP AND RUNNING?!
19:38.30abrotmansteven_: you have to enable CGI .. create the alias
19:38.36steven_Let me check
19:38.39abrotmanoh .. cyrus? wtf does cyrus have to do with CGI
19:38.41justixabrotman, ich hab ne frage zu knopix
19:38.43Shadowcatwe don't exactly sit here and wait for people to drop by
19:38.46davisany reason why make menuconfig would not work with a 2.6 debian kernel?
19:38.49steven_I have multiple questions
19:38.57abrotmanjustix: i don't speak german .. try #debian.de
19:39.06Shadowcatdavis: probably because you haven't satisfied the build time dependencies
19:39.08steven_what line abrotman ?
19:39.10abrotmanShadowcat: well .. we kind of do :)
19:39.12Shadowcatread the output from the make file
19:39.14davisjustix: I have a question on knoppix
19:39.24POVaddctjustix: no german here. and knoppix is NOT debian.
19:39.25abrotmansteven_: i have no idea .. it's your apache config .. also .. #apache is available
19:39.25Shadowcatabrotman: ok, correction, YOU DO, the rest of us have lives :P
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19:39.29davisShadowcat: how do you do that?
19:39.30steven_:/
19:39.35steven_Ok what about cyrus?
19:39.36abrotmanShadowcat: i do too ..
19:39.38gpmanyone know of a good guide to installing xgl on debian (sid)?
19:39.43Shadowcatdavis: by reading the output of the makefile
19:39.47Shadowcatit'll tell you what's missing
19:39.55hephaestus_how can i add a hp 640 printer using cups?
19:39.57abrotmansteven_: ok .. here's a helpful tip to getting better help ...
19:39.58abrotman!ask
19:39.59dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
19:40.09justixhow can i connect the kanotix chat?
19:40.20abrotmanjustix: /join #kanotix
19:40.23goronIs it possible to assign some key combination to "switch to desktop, and disable sound for currently running application"? Like in Windows? That's something they actually did good.
19:40.31justixthanx abrotman
19:40.34justixcu
19:40.43goronEspecially for full screen apps.
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19:41.07justixgot it
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19:41.19Shadowcatgoron: if you use KDE it's easy
19:41.20steven_I have a problem with Cyrus, i am runnign Debian version 3.1.r1, when I try to setup mail server, I get the follow output, IT DOESN'T WORK. I expected it to do WORK!,
19:41.23davisShadowcat: usually i can tell what is missing. ie. ncurses, modutils, etc. this one is less easy to diagnose
19:41.25goronShadowcat: I am
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19:41.37steven_Is that better?
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19:42.31steven_I installed it with apt-get, and have use exim4 with cyrus
19:42.36jniksteven_: /msg pkg paster so you can paste the output ("it doesn't work" usually isn't very descriptive, btw...since it includes not starting, giving bad output, blowing up your computer, etc.)
19:42.44jniker, /msg dpkg paster, apologies
19:42.46hephaestus_on the cups, the model part, the hp driver doesnt appears :(
19:42.47goronShadowcat: so how?
19:43.10abrotmansteven_: i know for a fact you don't get that output .. have you checked logs .. any errors? is it even started?
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19:43.23steven_Well I dont know how to get the mail server up and running :(
19:43.30davisShadowcat:it says error KEY_RIGHT undeclared... scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o Error 1 ...
19:43.33abrotmansteven_: does exim put the mail where cyrus expects it to go ?
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19:43.57DebianNewbieI need help with it all unfortunatly
19:44.10thingfishI smell trouble...
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19:44.13DebianNewbie2222Im pretty new with setting up mail server on linux
19:44.46abrotmanthingfish: did you eat mexican food?
19:44.51thingfishhehe
19:44.55thingfishI wish, sounds good.
19:45.53DebianNewbie2222Should i use another mail handler?
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19:47.03abrotman!vague
19:47.04dpkgHi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way.  I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms
19:47.07goronShadowcat: Still alive?
19:47.22DebianNewbie2222Okay then I
19:47.28DebianNewbie2222;I'll start from the beginning
19:47.31goronabrotman: :)
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19:48.02goronabrotman: is there also a non-constructive help entry?
19:48.03abrotmanthingfish: now pay attention!
19:48.12abrotmangoron: there is ..
19:48.14thingfishabrotman: oh I am, I am.
19:48.14abrotman!lart me
19:48.36Shadowcatdpkg -i abrotman
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19:48.45Shadowcatdamn... that doesn't work anymore :(
19:49.03DebianNewbie2222I'm trying to setup a mailserver on my machine here, its run kernel 2.6.15, and I have exim4 installed, and unconfigured, also I have cyrys on the side ready to work with exim4, I just want it to  work as a basic mail server.
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19:49.12goronShadowcat: so what's that secret solution you had?
19:49.25kspathDebianNewbie2222: learn exim and cyrus and config them
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19:49.35abrotmanis exim putting the mail where cyrus thinks it will be?
19:49.46Shadowcathmm
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19:49.50Shadowcatdpkg -r abrotman
19:49.50DebianNewbie2222How do I setup exim to do this?
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19:49.55Shadowcatbah
19:49.58abrotmanhe!
19:50.00abrotmanheh!
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19:50.10iterwhy would you trust something as vital as email to a server you don't know how to setup
19:50.21DebianNewbie2222I wanna learn
19:50.34DebianNewbie2222lol
19:50.36hjubalhi
19:50.42ShadowcatGO READ IT
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19:50.45Shadowcatand stop bugging us
19:50.49kspathapt-get install "everything that I want without me having any idea what I am doing"
19:50.54Shadowcatunless of course you have cash and want to hire one of us
19:50.58leptonDebianNewbie2222: read up on exim and cyrus
19:51.05iterin which case fuck exim
19:51.10iterqmail baybee
19:51.16leptoniter: amen
19:51.17kspathhehehe
19:51.19DebianNewbie2222Are they better?
19:51.25iterqmail >> exim
19:51.27Shadowcatiter: right now it's not a question of what MTA he should use
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19:51.28leptonDebianNewbie2222: better is very relative
19:51.33Shadowcatit's whether or not he's smart enough to set one up
19:51.42Shadowcatand right now it's leaning towards a no
19:51.47iterI dunno about smart
19:51.52DebianNewbie2222Better at handling large amounts of traffic
19:51.55kspathsmrt
19:51.57itereducated is more like it
19:52.08iterlots of smart people that can't setup a MTA
19:52.17iterin fact, the vast majority of them
19:52.39DebianNewbie2222I can do it :P
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19:52.48kspathDebianNewbie2222: not
19:52.51iteryeah do it
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19:52.56iterread up first
19:52.58stevemI'll try until it works
19:53.05stevemI am reading the config file manual
19:53.10kspathstevem: You will likely be successful.
19:53.21stevemlol exim4 isn't installed :P
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19:53.25mheslephi all - question about a local network install ...
19:53.27stevemThat explained a lot of my problem
19:53.32iterhaha
19:53.36beardystevem: That's the spirit. (whatever you are doing..)
19:53.47stevemI had the heavy daemon installed but exim4 wasn't
19:53.59kspathstevem: What kind of install did you do that did not have exim as an MTA?
19:54.09kspathstevem: heavy?
19:54.10stevemum Im not sure
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19:54.21stevemI installed cyrus 2.2
19:54.26mheslepIve read the docs.  Throwing a 'preseed' file on the server will do what I want but I want to avoid that....
19:54.43stevemThe other ones were not as efficent
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19:54.55mheslepCan I supply the mirror host name on the boot command line?
19:55.13kspathstevem: Other what ones?
19:55.26stevemlike imapd
19:55.45kspathstevem: So have you used smtp or esmtp before?
19:55.51stevemWith Windows :/
19:56.00kspathstevem: Does that even count?
19:56.05stevemNot really
19:56.06ronovelol
19:56.07mheslepspecifically, how do I get the effect of: 'd-i     mirror/http/hostname    string 192.168.1.22' from preseed on the boot prompt?
19:56.10stevemThats what the :/ was for
19:56.44stevemAll I can say is I need more than a manual to help me
19:56.52kspathstevem: Does cyrus satisfy your need for a daemon that supports smtp and/or esmtp ?
19:56.53disposableif i've cleaned .bash_history, utmp, wtmp and lastlog entries, is there any other way someone can find out i was there? is there any incoming ssh log?
19:57.15stevemYes cyrus does
19:57.16kspathdisposable: They are reading this channel now.
19:57.19stevemIts very high performance
19:57.19iterdisposable: syslog
19:57.22disposablekspath, :)
19:57.33beardydisposable: ANd you don't have your foil hat on!!
19:57.35disposableiter, i'll take care of that. anything else?
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19:57.43kspathdisposable: remote syslogging is great for catching you.
19:57.48abrotmandisposable: tons of ways
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19:58.04stevemwhat do you mean does cyrus satisfy my needs?
19:58.08gnufanIS transfert french for transfer -- honest it is Debian related
19:58.17kspathdisposable: that daemon that running is actually logging your activity.
19:58.19abrotmanbabelfish.altavista.com
19:58.21disposableabrotman, i don't think the admin is that experienced. i pwned his entire network
19:58.25beardygnufan: babelfish?
19:58.40abrotmandisposable: and you're here telling us you've cracked someone's machine .. and you're asking us for help?
19:58.43kspathdisposable: You are a bright bulb. Bragging about it in a VERY popular channel.
19:59.22stevemis smtp that important?
19:59.24kspathdisposable: We could help you report it to the network admin.
19:59.32kspathstevem: no, I would avoid it.
19:59.35disposableabrotman, kspath: please let's assume i'm talking about my network :) utmp,wtmp, syslog, lastlog .bash_history. anything else?
19:59.45abrotman!ops disposable cracker looking for help
19:59.45dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: disposable cracker looking for help
19:59.47kspathdisposable: yes, there is a lot more.
19:59.48beardydisposable: Let's not.
20:00.15stevemSo how would I start to setup exim4 and cyrus?
20:00.17mentorhmm
20:00.36kspathdisposable: I would not advise anyone on that kind of stuff because EVEN if you are innocent and legitimate who knows how many luser script kiddies are listening/logging
20:00.42mentordisposable: Ummm, I don't think this is the place for that kind of support
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20:00.46hjubalI've just added my user to 'src'.. is it necessary to restart X-server to update user's group?
20:00.48stevemWhats even the point of smtp and esmpt
20:00.53mheslepso, any net install experts here?
20:00.58kspathstevem: no point at all
20:01.00mentordisposable: Don't make me call the network ops
20:01.02bobibleybooQuestion: How do you create a static route that will still be activated automatically after a reboot?
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20:01.10disposablementor, didn't mentor write the hacker manifesto? :)
20:01.18abrotman!tell bobibleyboo about interfaces
20:01.21*** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
20:01.23kspathstevem: you can do the same thing as smtp and esmtp with other protocols. Create a protocol.
20:01.26*** mode/#debian [+b *!*@host-87-74-126-41.bulldogdsl.com] by mentor
20:01.27*** kick/#debian [disposable!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor)
20:01.29stevemheh
20:01.34*** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
20:01.43stevemIf I need it, I'll add it
20:01.45mentorOnviously I'm just not original enough :)
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20:01.54kspathmentor: You did not want to mentor disposable?
20:02.00stevemkspath can you help me with setting it up to do basic mail operations?
20:02.04jplibrehmm.  for some reason aterm is not giving me the proper behavior of DEL, but xterm is.  I thought aterm was using the same settings as xterm in this case?  Where can I change the settings for aterm so that it makes the DEL key delete the character under the cursor?
20:02.10mentorkspath: I think I can leave it
20:02.14jplibreI've read a few pages on this issue and understand termcap stuff
20:02.25kspathstevem: No, I can not. Sorry. I am an unemployed sysadmin mailadmin.
20:02.30jplibrebut I can't seem to find why different terminals on a system would differ
20:02.41stevem:/
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20:02.51stevemCan anyone help me with seting up basic mail operations?
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20:02.55Tchiakkspath that sucks
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20:03.03Tchiakpress the send button
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20:03.39iterstevem there are a lot of good web resources for mail setup
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20:04.27kspathstevem: If we printed them all out and dropped them on you all at once you would not be able to dig your way out of all that paper.
20:04.41kimoHi, I am looking for a book about deploying Linux in Enterprise (Service integration), any recommendations please ?
20:04.46iterI'm sure a specific question would get an answer but asking someone to set it up for you is just kind of bad form
20:04.54stevemI got enough time
20:04.57stevemJust drop them on me now
20:05.09tarzeaucan someone find me an mp3 please?
20:05.17stevem...
20:05.24stevemjust email me them
20:05.25kspathtarzeau: I just put it on your machine.
20:05.42tarzeau"Annett Louisan - Das Spiel"
20:05.54kspathtarzeau: I gave you Wagner. Sorry.
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20:06.08azeemtarzeau: are you soliciting mp3 pirating?
20:06.14tarzeauazeem: no
20:06.17azeemah, ok
20:06.21tarzeaubut the shops are closed now
20:06.22iternope, pirated mp3s :)
20:06.52itergive me all your money (the bank is closed)
20:07.35kimogive me your daughte (the church is closed )
20:07.54itermore like give me your little boy
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20:09.22Tchiakiter: give me your soul (heaven is closed)
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20:09.32stevemUm that was wierd
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20:09.44itersounds like a r kelly song title
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20:10.49CrocoJetdavi: I will try make upgrade to "testing" .. before back to ubuntu, I am suspecting kernel with interruptions
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20:11.27CrocoJetwell .. 688 Mb .. dowonload
20:11.39kimoguys, I am looking for a book about deploying Linux in Enterprise (Service integration), any recommendations please ?
20:11.44daviCrocoJet,   Let me try another version of   interfaces
20:11.55iterkimo: debian in particular?
20:12.05iterred hat has that satellite junk
20:12.16CrocoJetdavi: paste in private ...
20:12.21kspathkimo: What is an Enterprise?  What is a Service?  Integration of what?
20:12.21daviok
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20:13.44vin`\
20:13.50stevemShould I even use exim4 as an mta?
20:14.01kspathvin`: /
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20:14.18iterif you're going to go to all the trouble to learn it might as well go for qmail
20:14.18vin`:)
20:14.24ronovevin`: |
20:14.37vin`stick fight?
20:14.38iterlifewithqmail.com is a good resource
20:14.40stevemexim4 isn't that great anyways :DS
20:14.45kimoumm .. like Windows-auth-to-Linux, Integrate Squid/Postfix-to-LDAP-Directory, Samba-File-Server ...
20:14.49kspathiter: Is that really living?
20:14.53vin`stevem: works just fine.
20:15.02stevemI cant get it working
20:15.13mheslepAnyone here used 'preseed' files to auto install?
20:15.14kspathstevem: That must be the test.
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20:15.46stevemwhat is qmail in?
20:15.50stevemtesting unstable?
20:15.54gilianimaWhen compiling a tarball, I get this error message, do I need a special package? => checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
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20:16.11kspathkimo: So you want one book to tell you anything useful about all of that?
20:16.25yaluanyone who has a scanner? mine gets privileges crw-rw-r--  1 root root when I connect it (/dev/bus/usb/001/005)
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20:16.33yaluI want to use it as a normal user too
20:16.38abrotmanwho owns it ?
20:16.48kimokspath: umm .. yeah! I wouldnt expect a book to just cover integrating squid/openldap!
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20:17.01stupidNoobHi guys. A friend of mine is using Debian on a root server. At the moment there are about 200 requests per second. So I think someone is attacking the server (Penetration attack) Is there a way to log the IPs of all accesing computers?
20:17.02fangelhow do you "add" locales.. I need to be able to set the locale to da_DK so php's functions can display dates in the correct format?
20:17.12paxwhat CLI mailer is installed default?
20:17.17stevemOoo I know DoS protection ;0
20:17.36stevemYou could just grab the ips with ethereal
20:17.40abrotmanstupidNoob: ippl is one .. iptables can do that ..
20:17.50abrotmanstupidNoob: apt-cache search IP log ?
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20:18.23stupidNoobthx for your quick responses
20:18.29stupidNoobI will try etherreal
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20:18.57stevemI used to DoS test my servers at home
20:19.02stevemExcept they are on Windows ;0
20:19.14stevemIm trying to transfer my stuff over to Debian
20:19.19paxecho $MAIL anyone please.
20:19.46js_pax: /var/mail/js
20:19.54paxthanks.
20:19.55pbryanpax:
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20:20.20paxyes ryan?
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20:20.31pbryanpax: That was $MAIL for me. :-P
20:20.45paxah ok, hehe :-)
20:21.34tarzeau/var/spool/mail/jenny
20:21.43roquitocan anyone help me with lintian?
20:21.49tarzeauroquito: ask
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20:22.03stevem<PROTECTED>
20:22.16stevemI'll just install cpanel :P
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20:22.50laurens_hi
20:23.35pbryanlaurens_: hi
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20:24.22roquitowhat can I do to solve this error: library-not-linked-against-libc
20:24.51stevemYah my mail server works
20:24.56laurens_how did you manage to get THAT?
20:24.58stevemIt only took me 2 hours to figure out everything :D
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20:25.10MammutHi, I have a question
20:25.21markybobstevem open relay for everyone?
20:25.28MammutI wont to install the X System on my server
20:25.28laurens_What library is it complaining about, roquito
20:25.39paxhehe
20:25.41stevemNO NOBODY CAN RELAY !
20:25.47stevemNone of you helped
20:25.53stevemNo body gets access but me ;0
20:25.55roquitolaurens_, just run ./configure && make
20:26.00jengelhugh
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20:26.13laurens_Mammut: X + server... glad there's "wont" in that sentence... too bad you "want"
20:26.18Mammutis this right
20:26.18laurens_Mammut: why the devs?
20:26.20Mammut_
20:26.22Mammut??
20:26.25stevemI may have to switch out of exim
20:26.30stevemIt wants to use SMTP
20:26.31laurens_Mammut: well, first of all, what do you want to accomplish
20:26.43laurens_roquito: a little more information would be nice
20:26.46MammutOK
20:26.57stevemWhat does SMTP do in the first place?
20:26.59laurens_roquito: what are you configuring... it doesnt look like a debian issue really
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20:27.07abrotman!tell stevem about grounding
20:27.15laurens_!tell me about grounding
20:27.17markybobis anyone familiar with a way to make a skype call without having x installed?  google's not been very helpful
20:27.30abrotmanit's a GUI app ...
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20:27.35laurens_indeed.
20:27.36stevem!tell me again about grounding
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20:27.43stevem!tell me again grounding
20:27.46roquitoW: libglc0: library-not-linked-against-libc ./usr/lib/libGLC.so.0.3.0
20:27.46roquitoN:
20:27.46roquitoN:   The package installs a library which is not dynamically linked against
20:27.46roquitoN:   libc.
20:27.46roquitoN:
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20:27.59stevem!tell me about grounding
20:28.09MammutWhat apt-get command I have to type in ?
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20:28.20laurens_Mammut: what are you trying to accomplish
20:28.21roquitosorry about that :(
20:28.47laurens_Mammut: I couldnt possibly understand why you want X on a server, and x-window-system itself wont be very useful if you're trying to turn it into a desktop
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20:29.12iterlaurens_: last guy that hired me for sysadmin had a full xwindows install on his server
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20:29.26iterI asked if the computer even had a monitor
20:29.31stevemI think SMTP isn't that bad
20:29.36laurens_iter: some people drink bleach that doesnt make it a good idea :P
20:29.37roquitoit looks like a normal library, but ldd shows it is not linked to libc ... I dont know why lintian complains about that
20:29.38iterwell, yes, but it's never turned on
20:29.43stevemWhy do you guys think its useless?
20:30.02laurens_SMTP isnt useless
20:30.08abrotmanholy crap .. this guy got into college?
20:30.12Mammutlaurens_: right, its a new server and I tink ist usefull to learn little on the new system
20:30.17XoR_how can i install avidemux ?
20:30.51laurens_Mammut: if you want to learn a little, X is probably the worst thing you could do
20:30.52kspathiter: I agree that X should not normally EVER be on any real server. However some big companies require the GUI so you export your session to whatever your workstation is.
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20:31.12iteryes true true
20:31.21stevemWhats a better mail server than cyrus?
20:31.24stevemI need some opinions
20:31.26abrotmankspath: some stupid applications require X to install
20:31.29laurens_Mammut: if you want to learn what apache2 config files look like, ssh to that box and configure it :)
20:31.31Mammutlaurens_, hehe, of course, but i never installed and workend on a X
20:31.32abrotmanrather .. don't require .. but make it tons easier
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20:31.52laurens_Mammut: but you have worked on console?
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20:32.06curelessstevem: better for what?
20:32.07kspathiter: No real company should require a GUI. An unnamed company almost had an important "enterprise" storage solution with no command line interface AND thought to only use java at first. COUGH
20:32.12Mammutlaurens_, yes, the last 8 monyhs
20:32.17Mammutmonths
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20:32.40Mammutlaurens_, "worked ...."
20:32.45stevemi mean what can use SMTP and has good performance for users, and has a light load on server
20:32.48laurens_Mammut: I'm somewhat reluctant to help you do somehting really stupid
20:33.06laurens_Mammut: "it's my first time trying this" and "server" dont go well together
20:33.15kspathabrotman: Some require X because they have a GUI and commandline. That is when the person writing the app needs a slap for not producing options for commandline only.
20:33.15Mammutlaurens_, "a little administration" but now i wont to set up the backupserver new
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20:33.34laurens_Mammut: this backup server is a separate box?
20:33.36abrotmankspath: unless you script the oracle9 install .. you need X
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20:33.52laurens_Mammut: I seriously reccomend you use a completely separate box as a sandbox for your desktop experience
20:33.55Mammutlaurens_, yes, of course
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20:34.07laurens_Mammut: sudo apt-get install vsftpd, done
20:34.09Quickimasterhello
20:34.14Mammutlaurens_, ok, I understand
20:34.17laurens_hi! :)
20:34.31laurens_Mammut: if you must, apt-get install x-window-system ion3 xlibs-dev
20:34.32Quickimastercould someone tell me how I can install net-snmp (because I need net-snmp-includes.h and net-snmp)
20:34.35Quickimaster?
20:34.46curelessstevem: are you asking which is the fastest MTA?
20:35.10laurens_Mammut: but realise that i do not endorse this at all
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20:35.23Mammutok, i noticed it ... i try it on a nother day/machin ....
20:35.24kspathstevem: Are you wanting to start an MTA war?
20:35.38laurens_i dont wanna start a riot here, but qmail with exttodo patch is blazingly fast
20:35.41Mammutlaurens_, thanks for your information ....
20:35.48laurens_Mammut: any time
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20:36.21curelessQuickimaster: if you need a .h you probably need the -dev package.
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20:36.29laurens_I'm not saying its the fastest (I havent tried every single MTA out there), but its pretty darn fast
20:36.58iterif it's good enough for the big boys it's good enough for me
20:36.58iterqmail that is
20:37.06laurens_hey Quickimaster i got your
20:37.07laurens_answer
20:37.14curelesswho are these big boys you speak of?
20:37.14laurens_iter: google for Life with qmail
20:37.24laurens_it will save you more time than you can imagine
20:37.25abrotmancureless: i'm a big boy .. i'm potty trained!
20:37.30laurens_it's a bit of a read but worth it
20:37.35laurens_abrotman: only when awake
20:37.43kspathcureless: Some somewhat large "ISPs" use/used qmail.
20:37.49abrotmanqmail is a pretty bad MTA to work with IMHO
20:37.52Quickimastercureless > i did do apt-get install libsnmp4.2-dev
20:37.56laurens_hey
20:37.59laurens_Quickimaster:
20:38.00Quickimasterlaurens_ > what would you suggest?
20:38.04laurens_try lbsnmp9-dev
20:38.23laurens_or *dev for good measure
20:38.24iterallow me to quote myself :
20:38.25iter15:16 < iter> lifewithqmail.com is a good resource
20:38.33laurens_iter: ah, yes
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20:38.38laurens_i <3 timezones
20:38.43kspathiter: If you want to know about qmail.
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20:39.54laurens_iter: i wasnt here then
20:39.55laurens_i've toyed with qmail and it is really, really, really nice once you understand it a little
20:39.55Quickimasterserver2:/home/quicki/public_html/zabbix-1.0# apt-get install lbsnmp9-dev
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20:39.56QuickimasterReading Package Lists... Done
20:39.56QuickimasterBuilding Dependency Tree... Done
20:39.56QuickimasterE: Couldn't find package lbsnmp9-dev
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20:39.56laurens_I had some drawings that explained how it worked
20:39.56laurens_...
20:39.56abrotmanlaurens_: i used to have to admin it .. making some things work is beyond ridiculous
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20:39.57abrotmanand i had those same drawings :)
20:39.57laurens_wb Quickimaster
20:40.11Quickimasterthank you
20:40.20laurens_abrotman: I havent had a chance to use it on very large installations so I can't say anything about it
20:40.23iterqmail does have a fat learning curve
20:40.25laurens_Quickimaster: lb... lib
20:40.26QuickimasterCouldn't find package lbsnmp9-dev
20:40.30laurens_lib is longer than lb
20:40.36laurens_try that
20:40.40curelessQuickimaster: what debian are you using?
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20:40.46Quickimasteri did just copy what you said
20:40.50Quickimasterdebian 3.1
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20:40.55laurens_Quickimaster: i r not typoproof
20:41.03abrotmanlaurens_: i've done qmail/sendmail/postfix/exim .. postfix cooperates with me the best so far :)
20:41.07Quickimasterno one is
20:41.18iterpostfix booo :)
20:41.24mheslepinstaller question:  Im trying to use some installer parameters on the command line instead of in preseed:   mirror/host string blah   and the like.  Is that possible?  The only boot/install paramters for which I can find examples are 'netcfg', etc
20:41.28curelessI'm also a postfix user.
20:41.30laurens_Quickimaster: apt-cache search libsnmp | grep dev | wc -l
20:41.32laurens_output?
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20:41.34gnufan!end an mta war
20:41.42laurens_eeek
20:41.46laurens_mta war about to commence
20:42.51laurens_he's gone after the bait, excellent
20:43.10Quickimasterapt-cache search libsnmp | grep dev | wc -l
20:43.11Quickimaster4
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20:44.17kspathI fully understand the use of snmp for primative devices but I fail 100% to understand their usage with servers.
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20:44.40laurens_excellent.
20:44.43Quickimasterlaurens_ > or should I use libsnmp5-dev?
20:44.47laurens_so, remove the wc -l and check what you got
20:44.54laurens_i dont even have that, but try it anyway
20:44.56itergo go GOOG
20:45.00Quickimasterserver2:/home/quicki/public_html/zabbix-1.0# apt-cache search libsnmp | grep dev
20:45.01Quickimasterlibsnmp-session-perl - Perl support for accessing SNMP-aware devices
20:45.01Quickimasterlibsnmp4.2-dev - NET SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) Development Files
20:45.01Quickimasterlibsnmpkit-dev - multithreaded SNMP connection library
20:45.01Quickimasterlibsnmp5-dev - NET SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) Development Files
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20:45.10zasziter? that fusion reactor
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20:45.17laurens_Quickimaster: pastebin ftw
20:45.18iter:)
20:45.28zaszwith all sorts of bi products
20:45.29kspath!tell Quickimaster about paste
20:45.35abrotmanQuickimaster: STOP DOING THAT
20:45.36Quickimasteri just forget that for just 4 or 5 lines
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20:46.37mineraleI have a 150mb file w/ 1 line entries, is it safe to do cat | grep ?
20:46.49iteryes
20:46.58curelesswhat do you mean "safe"?
20:47.14mineralewill it take too much longer vs just doing grep or using some other utility
20:47.20eth000there is a difference for spamassassim for w2k3 and linux or are the same?
20:47.42Eludiasminerale: 150mb on 1 line? grep probably reads the whole line, so you need some RAM for that...
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20:48.08iterstop being obtuse you two
20:48.20iterhe's talking about a 150mb file with 1 line per entry
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20:48.44curelessI'm as acute as a 90 degree angle.
20:48.47tremorhello *
20:49.05itermy gf is acute, I'm lucky
20:49.11Quickimasterstill no net-snmp-includes.h :(
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20:49.25Eludiasminerale: 'cat' will not slow the pipe much down. 'grep' will take most of the time.
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20:51.25loggygregQuickimaster: libsnmp9-dev on testing or unstable, libsnmp5-dev on stable
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20:52.00Quickimasterlibsnmp9-dev == not found
20:52.10Quickimasterlibsnmp5-dev == doesn't work
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20:52.29mheslepinstaller question:  Im trying to use some installer parameters on the command line instead of in preseed:   mirror/host string blah   and the like.  Is that possible?  The only boot/install paramters for which I can find examples are 'netcfg', etc
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20:53.15Quickimasterlibsnmp5-dev == doesn't work (1 error, a 404)
20:53.32jaruselo mam prosbe kto zna sie na ubuntu
20:54.04thingfishjarus: /join #ubuntu
20:55.16jarusktos mówi po polsku
20:55.16abrotmanthingfish: how'd you translate that?
20:55.33abrotmanraf256: help this guy get to #ubuntu
20:55.45raf256jarus: tak
20:55.46thingfishabrotman: hi I have a question - who knows ubuntu.
20:55.49abrotman!find net-snmp-includes.h sarge
20:55.49eth000'cause the last word sounds like "ubuntu"
20:55.52raf256jarus: idź na kanał #ubuntu
20:55.58dpkgDebian Search of 'net-snmp-includes.h' (1): (/usr/include/net-snmp/net-snmp-includes.h) in libdevel/libsnmp5-dev.
20:55.59abrotman!cookie raf256
20:56.00raf256jarus: wpisz /join #ubuntu i już :)
20:56.37abrotmandoh .. wrong cookie
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20:57.38Quickimasterhttp://pastebin.com/672123
20:57.40Quickimasterbetter?
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21:00.34kspaththingfish: mowi is speak
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21:00.49kspaththingfish: same thing mostly. I agree...
21:00.49thingfishwiem
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21:00.59kspathyo creo
21:01.00thingfishmowic
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21:01.16thingfishactually there's an accent above the o but I can't make it.
21:01.42kspaththingfish: I do not bother with accents in anything. I let them figure it out.
21:01.44thingfishalthough man I can't remember all that stuff...been too long.
21:01.48thingfishhehe amen bro
21:01.58thingfishplus on irc no one cares anyway.
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21:02.34Quickimasteranybody an idea how i can fix the problem on http://pastebin.com/672123 ?
21:02.53DabianHow do I easily upgrade from a PIII smp system to Athlon64 ?
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21:03.05kspathDabian: What?
21:03.05thingfishspend money.
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21:03.40kspathDabian: If you can understand the question you will likely have your answer.
21:03.40Dabiankspath : I have a dual pentium machine here, now I am going to buy a new motherboard and new cpu and new gfx and new PSU and new etc...
21:03.51kspathDabian: And?
21:04.16Dabiankspath : I am purty sure AMD64 wont boot 2.6.15-1-686-smp ...
21:04.19leptonQuickimaster: apt-get update
21:04.36thingfishah, you're wanting to keep the hard drives or something?
21:04.40Dabiankspath : But if I install 2.6.15-1-386 .. it wont be 64bit ..
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21:04.47loggygregQuickimaster: apt-get update ? your package has to be "libsensors3_2.9.1-1sarge3_i386.deb"
21:04.49kspathDabian: Did you not want to make backups?
21:04.51Dabianthingfish : Yeah .. I keep the system, just faster. :-)
21:05.19pipelineDabian: You clearly have more money than sense. http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/dimen_5150c?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
21:05.21thingfishyeah, man, screw that, just back stuff up.
21:05.22Dabiankspath : I guess I should try to back up a little ..
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21:05.27daeosquestion....... i am trying to compile a program and it requires zlib during the process... however if i have zlib installed, why would I get an error saying zlib is not installed?
21:05.30kspathDabian: there will be different drivers required.
21:05.49Dabianthingfish : You mean fresh installation?
21:05.59thingfishDabian: I would.
21:06.21Dabianthingfish : Hmmm .. didn't do this since 2001 or so ...
21:06.33testihow can i find out the ip-address of an interface. i need a command that returns only an ip-address, because i have to use it in a script.
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21:06.44kspathDabian: OR get a new HD and use a new boot disk with a new install.
21:06.51Dabianthingfish : I kinda like the idea
21:07.09|littlet|daeos: do you have the correspoding -dev package installed?
21:07.21kspathDabian: You could keep the old drives on the new box.
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21:07.31Dabiankspath : Well .. the thing is, I am going SATA-300 .. but I can't get the harddrive for a week or so .. so I will have to do with the old ATA for starters. ..
21:07.36MoeenI bought a Logitech Quickcam4Laptop, and it seems that it is compatible with Linux, but how can I use it ? I can't see it in Gnomemeeting, in Video Devices. I must do something to start v4l ? (I did : modprobe pwc)
21:07.41daeos|littlet| this program is not found in the deb repositories
21:07.48leptontesti: I would just parse the output of /sbin/ifconfig
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21:08.02eth000testi, ifconfig <device_name>
21:08.10kspathDabian: Make backups.  /home  /etc  and anything special or interesting   perhaps logs as well    I hope you know what you want.
21:08.30testiokay, and how can i strip off the useless parts?
21:08.32|littlet|daeos: apt-cache show zlib1g-dev
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21:09.19leptontesti: awk, sed, perl. if you have to ask, it might be a daunting task
21:09.38Dabianpipeline : Why do you link me to windows-machines by dell?
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21:09.45thingfishhehe
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21:10.28|littlet|the -dev package contains the files necessary to link applications against the libraries; withouth it autoconf can not find the libraries ;-)
21:10.32Dabiankspath : A new installation is tempting .. I bet a lot of .. well, I know that quite a few of the problems I had with this system was because of old config files and stuff like that ...
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21:11.15tarzeauwriiigin drunk s funndc
21:11.19POVaddcttesti: (IFS=" /" ; set -- `ip a l eth0 | grep -w inet` ; echo $2)
21:11.19testithat does not sound be not a good solution. the script would possibly just fail if the output of ifconfig changes due to version upgrades.
21:11.23tarzeauLOLLLLL
21:11.24testierm okay
21:11.30abrotman!aolify tarzeau
21:11.30tarzeauabrotman!£
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21:11.57avnishhey everyone
21:12.01tarzeauabrotman: aaa you stil workn?
21:12.07abrotmanyes
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21:12.15avnishI was wondering if someone could give me the .config file for the 2.4 base installed kernel.
21:12.16Dabian!kill abrotman
21:12.17tarzeaupppooooooer abrotman
21:12.23avnishMy sound won't work on my newly compiled kernel.
21:12.24Dabiancewl
21:12.29thingfishman is he really that drunk?
21:12.30abrotmanwtf
21:12.44abrotmanthingfish: tarzeau has issues
21:12.46leptonavnish: is it in /boot/config-* ?
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21:12.57tarzeauabrotman: sleeep little baby
21:12.59thingfishwhat's that booze that they drink in lebanon and around there...
21:13.08Dabianhehe
21:13.09sunrisehi all; looking for an application which monitor file changes and launch a specified application...
21:13.11avnishlepton: I don't have the old kernel source file config.
21:13.16thingfishwe used to sell it at this liquor store I worked at.
21:13.18eth000avnish, depend by your hadware...my hw is not like your hw
21:13.28leptonavnish: do you have the .deb?
21:13.37avnisheth000: Yea but doesnt the original kernel come with the same config for everyone?
21:13.39abrotmanthingfish: raki ?
21:13.45sunriseif file changed... maybe based on file alteration monitor (FAM) with cron- like configuration interface...
21:13.46Dabianabrotman has windows still?
21:13.51tarzeauabrotman: raki is what i had
21:13.54abrotmanDabian: at work .. yes
21:13.55eth000ah..sorry *base
21:13.59thingfishabrotman: that could be it, but I was thinking it had a longer name.
21:14.01abrotmantarzeau: albanian raki is yummy
21:14.04tarzeauabrotman: tekirdag, usually 2:3
21:14.06avnisheth000: Exactly lol.
21:14.06Dabianabrotman : You got rid of it at home?
21:14.07kspathDabian: Some lame organizations require windblowz.
21:14.15abrotmanDabian: uhm ..
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21:14.21Dabiankspath : My lappie is doze :/
21:14.22leptonthingfish: absinthe?
21:14.26tarzeauabrotman: LSD is yummy
21:14.29abrotmanis this the drunk club?
21:14.35thingfishno, lepton, I know what that is.
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21:14.40avnishlepton: My problem is that I have a sound card that won't work in my new kernel so I need to figure out how the base kernel was configured so I can copy the sound section to get my sound card working ;).
21:14.41evadedHi guys, i want to add deb files i have downloaded to the source.list i have added the line 'deb file:///home/david/Downloads/debs ./' to it but he complain now. He need to make the packages.gz list?? First i take it simple, after it work locally i need to apply it on the 'apt-proxy' server.
21:14.44kspathlepton: real absinthe is dangerous
21:14.45Dabiankspath : corp pee see.
21:14.56thingfishhah I bet the strongest thing tarzeau has done is ibuprofen.
21:15.08kspathDabian: corpse?
21:15.12cobratbqhey guys, simple question: I'm running on unstable now, if I change apt to use testing-packages only, would it in time switch to all-testing packages?
21:15.12avnisheth000: My problem is that I have a sound card that won't work in my new kernel so I need to figure out how the base kernel was configured so I can copy the sound section to get my sound card working ;).
21:15.12Dabiankspath : Nat reallie .. I hat same
21:15.16leptonkspath: I'm a scientist. you'll have to do better than that
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21:15.26Crazy6does anyone have ipw3945 working?
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21:15.30kspathlepton: ?
21:15.32tarzeauthingfish: th storrrrrngest thing is
21:15.40kspathlepton: Are you sure you are a scientist?
21:15.47tarzeauthingfish: when two woman love youa t same tim
21:15.48leptonkspath: asserting "x is dangerous" says nothing.
21:15.49eth000avnish, try to install alsa out-of-kernel
21:15.58avnisheth000: Hmmm....
21:16.10thingfishtarzeau: that does sound rather dangerous.
21:16.21kspathlepton: Perhaps I should say that real absinthe is not dangerous due to alcohol content.
21:16.31leptonkspath: have you read the article in Wired?
21:16.33avnisheth000: I just don't even know if my sound card is configured properly though.
21:16.37Dabiankspath : Nah .. company laptop pc .. runs Micro-soft windos xp
21:16.40abrotmanlepton: trying to wear a running wood chipper as a hat is dangerous :)
21:16.56evadedI have put all the debs in '/home/david/Downloads/debs/'. Is that good?
21:16.59kspathabrotman: That is not scientific abrotman.
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21:17.05Dabians/dos/dows/
21:17.09abrotmankspath: it's still dangerous!
21:17.09Crazy6ipw3945 ?
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21:17.16kspathlepton: Wired magazine is a scientific journal?
21:17.17tarzeauthingfish: andbotg arr nice ver much'night
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21:17.22thingfishevaded: all the debs in the world?  Or just a few?
21:17.23abrotmanCrazy6: are the drivers even released yet?
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21:17.32eth000avnish, you just compile alsa with card=<you_sound_card> and see it work ;-)
21:17.37Crazy6abrotman: yeah there is an intel driver, which I installed, and it works fine with modprobe BUT
21:17.38leptonkspath: believe what you want. I think it's toxicity is urban legend material
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21:17.44abrotmanhttp://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
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21:17.46Crazy6abrotman: it doesnt work on startup... it hangs
21:17.47Dabianlepton : nah
21:17.51thingfishhe's going to have a headache in the morning.
21:17.53abrotmanCrazy6: what hangs?
21:17.55evadedthingfish: Just a few, in the future a make some debs and it's for that i setup it, i try now with debs i have downloaded
21:17.58Crazy6abrotman: networking
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21:18.06Dabianlepton : Yuo can get fake absinth that doesn't have the "thing" that makes it what it is ...
21:18.07leptons/it's/its/
21:18.07avnisheth000: Oh.. It's that easy?
21:18.10kspathlepton: Please have "REAL" old time absinthe tested.
21:18.14abrotmanCrazy6: it may not have some other module loaded yet?
21:18.17Crazy6abrotman: if I cancel it with a ctrl+c, there is some error message ... is there a startup log or something?
21:18.19Dabianlepton : But the real thing is special ... I had it ..
21:18.21thingfishabsinthe is for posers.
21:18.29abrotmandmesg ? look in /var/log/
21:18.40Crazy6abrotman: well, if I cancel it, boot up, rmmod ipw3945 , modprobe ipw3945, it works fine
21:18.46eth000avnish, yes
21:18.50Dabianlepton : I read in a book, you can only get it in 2 countries in europe.
21:18.55abrotmanhttp://kerneltrap.org/node/6270
21:19.01kspathlepton: Perhaps your scientific mind is an urban myth you are spreading.
21:19.18abrotmanCrazy6: you can have it not load from /etc/modules .. and then make a script to do it as the last thing
21:19.21DabianByte-compiling bbdb. This takes looooooong...
21:19.26mikmuI have an xserver on my pc, and a console only server.  I would like to export my display from the server to my pc.  What are the minimum packages necessary?  I've installed rxvt and it's requirements, but I still can't forward X
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21:19.33avnisheth000: Oh okay thanks man!
21:19.35abrotmanCrazy6: i suspect there is some other module or program needed that hasn't yet loaded
21:19.38mikmuI've activated X forwarding in sshd
21:19.54Dabianpipeline : I havn't bought a new computer since '98.
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21:19.57mikmuI don't want to install the full xserver packages on the server if possible
21:20.02lewisI have a problem with exim4/spamassassin. It seems that user .spamassassin directories aren't created, despite --create-prefs in /etc/default/spamassassin. However, if I run 'spamassassin -D --lint', then a directory is created solely for my user. SpamAssassin then accesses that directory for all the various files, but still ignores user_prefs.
21:20.04leptonkspath: ad hominem. how boring
21:20.09lewisPlease can someone advise me on why spamassassin isn't creating user directories properly, for all users!
21:20.23thingfishooh someone took a logic course.
21:20.33Dabianlewis : Some idiot spoiled the config or something.
21:20.33kspaththingfish: Stop them!
21:20.39thingfish;)
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21:20.48lewis<-- :D
21:20.49Crazy6abrotman: ok, so if I turn auto off for eth1 so it doesnt try it, where would I put the command to do the modprobe as the last thin gin bootup?
21:20.56navarrohi!!
21:20.58Dabianlewis : :-D
21:21.00lewisnah - using a defaultish config
21:21.05abrotmanCrazy6: you'd write your own
21:21.18thingfishooh!  is this the former jane's addiction guitarist among us?
21:21.27navarro... what you do in this chat..
21:21.49kspathnavarro: pick on innocents or assist people with Debian Linux.
21:21.52abrotmanDabian: do you have anything else to do?
21:22.00thingfishhehe "pick on innocents"
21:22.05navarroalgun latino
21:22.09abrotman!es
21:22.10dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:22.16kspathnavarro: alguien?
21:22.26abrotmandon't encourage him
21:22.28thingfishno, algun
21:22.30avnishthingfish: Wait, who's the former Jane's Addiction guitarist?
21:22.36thingfishdave navarro
21:22.37abrotmandave navarro
21:22.37kspath!smite kspath
21:22.41DabianMuchachas hermosas de mierda listas ser adquirdo en irc en este canal?
21:22.48navarroyo soy de Costa Rica
21:22.49abrotman!beer thingfish
21:22.56abrotmanwoohoo!
21:23.36Dabian!beer abrotman
21:23.53Dabian!beer tarzeau
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21:24.13streunerDabian: please don't abuse the bot too often.
21:24.23Dabian!tell streuner about abuse
21:24.42thingfishplus beer is the last thing tarzeau needs right now.
21:24.43Crazy6abrotman: hrm ok well I guess I'll think about that for a second... any idea why powernowd doesnt want to start?
21:24.55Dabianstreuner : Ok .. that wasn't as funny as I hoped it would be.
21:25.09thingfishDabian: that happens to me all the time.
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21:25.31Dabian:)
21:25.32tarzeaubeers cheep
21:25.45abrotmanCrazy6: it's not an AMD machine ?
21:25.48Crazy6when I try to do /etc/init.d/powernowd start , it throws out a bunch of modprobe commands, it looks like maybe its calling omdprobe incorrectly, and then says Starting powernowd... CPU frequency scaling not supported
21:25.50tarzeaui've go fd f1st class raki
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21:25.58Crazy6abrotman: nah, intel laptop
21:26.07abrotmanisn't powernowd for amd?
21:26.14abrotman!info powernowd sarge
21:26.15tarzeauabrotman: yesss
21:26.20dpkgpowernowd: (control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.90-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 100 kB
21:26.30abrotmanworthless description
21:26.59Crazy6oh, its only for AMD?
21:27.07Crazy6what should I uses for an intel core duo ?
21:27.20action09a toaster?
21:27.23kspath!tell abrotman about abrotman
21:27.29DabianI am not too familiar with 64-bit AMD .. would it run on i386 system?
21:27.32POVaddctCrazy6: first you need cpufreq support for that cpu in the kernel
21:27.33eth000different vendors has different technology
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21:27.46Crazy6POVaddct: ok, so are there just a bunch of modules I'll have to load?
21:27.58streunerDabian: ask in #debian-amd64 - they should know better
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21:28.01POVaddctCrazy6: i dont know the core duo is already supported
21:28.20kspathCrazy6: perhaps  686smp
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21:29.10Dabianstreuner : TRhanks
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21:30.43POVaddctCrazy6: cpufreq driver in the kernel is for providing cpu-type specific switching of frequency. cpufreq governor is for actual freq switching based on conditions (like system load). there are kernel and user space governors.
21:30.46pipelineDabian: Because it's cheap, it's dual-CPU, and you don't have to fuck around with buying parts.
21:31.12maxweberhmm, why debian etch has automake 1.4 from 2001? i need 1.8b at least
21:31.14Crazy6POVaddct: ok, right, and I need a daemon like powernowd to monitor the system and throttle it up and down, yes?
21:31.38Crazy6also, when I do modprobe acpi, I get: FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686-smp/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
21:31.42streunerautomake1.8 - A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles, automake1.9 - A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles
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21:31.54POVaddctCrazy6: not necessarily. the kernel can also monitor load and do the switching.
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21:31.57streuner!info automake1.8
21:32.00dpkgautomake1.8: (A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.8.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 443 kB, Installed size: 1492 kB
21:32.17POVaddctCrazy6: i prefer the kernel based "conservative" governor.
21:32.27matadonAny recommendations in the way of tools for managing multiple iptables firewalls?
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21:32.48lostsonanyone running enlightenment 16.8 ??
21:32.52Crazy6POVaddct: ok, so, how do I enable that?
21:32.53streunermaxweber: apt-cache search automake or via pdo you get all results
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21:33.14sunrisematadon, http://freshmeat.net/projects/fwbuilder/
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21:33.26APhuckToday is Adolf Hitler's birthday, Happy Birthday, Baby Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:33.29loggygregmaxweber :  apt-get install automake1.8 && update-alternatives --config automake
21:33.33Dabian!tell APhuck about hitler
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21:33.38streunerAPhuck: join #politics
21:33.45APhuckToday is Adolf Hitler's birthday, Happy Birthday, Baby Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:33.48streuner!politics
21:33.48dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.]
21:33.51maxweberstreuner, loggygreg: ouch, thanks very much
21:33.59streuner!ops APhuck is trolling
21:33.59dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: APhuck is trolling
21:34.04ShaddaHe doesn't want to discuss politics
21:34.07Shaddahe wants to be a douche.
21:34.14POVaddctCrazy6: you have to load the appropriate kernel modules and configure the gonvernor via /sys/devices/system/cpu/...
21:34.16Doctor!hitler
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21:34.16dpkgmethinks hitler is the devil incarnate, or rox when he wants to get some nazis pissed off
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21:34.18tarzeauhi
21:34.21lostsonwtf
21:34.25POVaddctAPhuck: go stick your head in a pig
21:34.28loggygregmaxweber: or automake1.9
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21:34.38streunerLoRez: thanks
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21:34.42LoRezwelcome
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21:34.50Crazy6POVaddct: how might I find out what the appropriat emodules are....
21:34.51mentor!forget hitler
21:34.52dpkgmentor: i forgot hitler
21:34.55mentor!lock hitler
21:35.01Dabianmentor : Why?
21:35.22DA_hitler isnt debian-related
21:35.25mentornot really appropriate.
21:35.30mentoror on topic
21:35.31DabianSo?
21:35.43DabianIts fun.
21:35.46*** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
21:35.53matadonDabian: Then go to #fun.
21:35.54streunerDabian: no its not
21:36.00LoRezDabian: we can +q/+b you as well, if you'd like.
21:36.01Dabianyes it is.
21:36.10mentorDabian: Sure, but not here, or in dpkg :)
21:36.14DoctorDabian: the bots not for fun
21:36.17DA_!tell Dabian about off topic
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21:36.27POVaddctCrazy6: i think they're called speedstep-centrino and conservative
21:36.43kspathWow nazi-youth in CA. Who knew?
21:36.54POVaddctCrazy6: but i don't know if that matches for core duo, you have to experiment
21:36.55DA_theyre for providing important info, to people who wihtout them may never find what theyre looking for...
21:37.00kspathI wonder if it is the water or the beer?
21:37.13liablecrack?
21:37.15DabianDoctor : Lets ban fun in here.  Debian is not for fun, its a serious computersystem.
21:37.25mentorkspath: I'm sure there are Nazi supporters everywhere.
21:37.28abrotmanDabian: why are you being such a pain in the ass?
21:37.34matadonkspath: Well, I'm a Jew, an I like the beer.  Must be the water.
21:37.39Doctorkspath: CA as in .ca or .ca.us?
21:37.40El_aLEXwazap men ?
21:37.41El_aLEXbroka
21:37.45kspathmentor: They did not know what happened before?
21:37.53mentorkspath: I'm sure they do.
21:37.53abrotmanDoctor: .ca
21:37.55Crazy6POVaddct: hrm, ok, well, I see to have a "throttling" file in my /proc/acpi
21:38.02mentorany way, enough of that now.
21:38.03kspathDoctor: I know there are morons in California.
21:38.06abrotman!politics
21:38.07dpkgsomebody said politics was Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.]
21:38.12Dabianabrotman : Why do you see everyone else as a pain in the donkey?  (And don't tell me its only me).
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21:38.25POVaddctCrazy6: no, "throttling" is not frequency scaling
21:38.34evadedIf i have some deb files that i have downloaded and i want add to the 'sources.list'. How i need to do? Only add an line 'deb file:/home/david/Downloads/debs stable main' to the sources.list? He complain. The 'man sources.list' is not clear for that. Need i to create an special filestructure in the '/home/david/Downloads/debs'?
21:38.34abrotmanthank goodness we have to be nice to people now ... it's really improved the channel atmosphere
21:38.34tarzeauabrotman: its cold
21:38.43Doctoreh ususally what happens in there is blah blah blah politics until somebody asks a question like ^^^^
21:38.46kspath!spank abrotman
21:38.49POVaddctCrazy6: its just a bit more "hlt" instructions, no real use
21:38.54mentorDabian: At least he's fair. </Prof. Higgins>
21:38.57tarzeauabrotman: hahahaha
21:39.04infernixare there any screen recording apps that work in X, as well for opengl? im thinking about what fraps does for windows.
21:39.07tarzeauabrotman: you min since greycat left?
21:39.11tarzeauabrotman: IT SUCKS
21:39.12Dabianmentor :-)
21:39.20abrotmaninfernix: apt-cache screen record
21:39.23tarzeauinfernix: xvidcap
21:39.35tarzeauinfernix: make zour own pkg
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21:39.55infernixthanks tarzeau
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21:40.12Crazy6exit
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21:41.12jengelhDoes the debian bts have a way to search within comments of bugs?
21:41.17dondelelcarojengelh: /
21:41.21tarzeaudoes <blink> also work with images?
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21:41.41jengelhdondelelcaro : not within one bug, but within all bugs
21:41.43abrotmandondelelcaro: depends which browser?
21:41.44kspathtarzeau: XML? HTML? version?
21:41.50tarzeaukspath: webbrowser
21:41.51abrotmanjengelh: oh .. no .. fabre is down
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21:41.58abrotmandondelelcaro: are they going to bring fabre.debian.net back up ?
21:41.58dondelelcarojengelh: google with site:bugs.donarmstrong.com
21:42.07dondelelcaroabrotman: that's not mine, so I don't know.
21:42.16abrotmandondelelcaro: i didn't know if there was any discussion
21:42.21dondelelcaroabrotman: I'm trying to add the whole bts searching, but there are a few things ahead of that
21:42.35abrotmandondelelcaro: whoa .. when did you do that? :)
21:42.42dondelelcaroabrotman: that's been there for a while
21:42.50abrotmanwait .. that's not what i thought it was
21:42.56dondelelcaroit just breaks from time to time
21:43.07abrotmani thought it was a free text search
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21:43.09wolfmancan someone please help before I screw up my installation again.... I need to set my screen res to 1680x1050, I've updated XF86config-4 but to no avail.
21:43.29dondelelcaroabrotman: oh... no, I've just allowed google to index that bit
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21:43.42abrotmandondelelcaro: ah ok ..
21:43.46tarzeauwolfman: hwinfo --monitor ?
21:43.55tarzeauwolfman: what X VERSION`?
21:44.17cobratbqCould someone answer a simple question for me?
21:44.27dondelelcarocobratbq: only if you ask...
21:44.27kspathyes
21:44.38kspathcobratbq: next question?
21:44.40cobratbqsimple question: I'm running on unstable now (yeah stupid i know :P), if I change apt to use testing-packages only, would it in time switch to all-testing packages?
21:44.44wolfmantarzeau, I'm using a philips flatscreen 20" - how can I find out X version?
21:44.50tarzeaucobratbq: don't call me stupid
21:44.52dondelelcarocobratbq: presumably, yes.
21:45.00wolfmantarzeau, I don't have the command hwinfo
21:45.06cobratbqi called myself stupid :p
21:45.10tarzeauwolfman: apt-get install wolfman
21:45.14kspathhehehe
21:45.17tarzeaucobratbq: you called unstable users stupid
21:45.25kspathtarzeau: apt-get install hwinfo
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21:45.35wolfmanahh!
21:45.54cobratbqneh, and I don't even find myself stupid... but I know that in a while I need to have a stable trustable linux, so I want to take measures in time :)
21:45.55tarzeaukspath: haha yes
21:45.58tarzeaukspath: haha
21:46.00tarzeauLOL
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21:46.30cobratbqbut you probably got bugged a lot lately about users having problems with the broken Xorg :p
21:46.46wolfmantarzeau, this hwinfo command is cool!!!!!  but it does not show the correct res for my monitor
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21:47.09tarzeauwolfman: you are sweet
21:47.21wolfman?
21:47.36matadonIs lmsensors still The Way to monitor things like fan status,CPU temperature, etc?
21:47.44streuneryes
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21:48.06streuner!info mbmon
21:48.11dpkgmbmon: (Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (text client)), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.05-4 (sid), Packaged size: 66 kB, Installed size: 140 kB
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21:48.32davis_is there a way to make /dev/sound/* device files?
21:48.39wolfmantarzeau, any ideas on the res?
21:48.54streunerdavis: why do you need them?
21:48.59tarzeauwolfman: you are sweet
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21:49.24kspathwolfman: You just said hwinfo was wrong yet you are asking others for the res of your monitor?
21:49.25philipsdavis_: google around for "mknod /dev/sound"
21:49.28wolfmantarzeau, is that some kind of pickup line?
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21:49.42evadedCan someone point me to informations; For how to add deb files we have downloaded from the internet to the 'sources.list'
21:49.57jMn-lapcould someone please explain this for me?
21:50.00jMn-lap*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081141b0 ***
21:50.00jMn-lapAvbruten (SIGABRT) (core dumped)
21:50.13streunera bug in libc6?
21:50.16kspathwolfman: Your monitor did not come with a manual with specifications on it?
21:50.17norouteevaded: You don't add .deb files to sources.list.
21:50.17wolfmankspath, no, hwinfo is showing a max res of 1280x1024 yet my monitor is 20" and runs 1680x1050 in windows
21:50.33jurkaThe silc-toolkit package is busted, it doesn't have any files (bug 328889).  The problem is misnamed debian/*.install files.  Can someone fix that?
21:50.36evadednoroute: Right! I mean the path of the deb files
21:50.43norouteevaded: You can install them with 'dpkg -i DEBFILE'
21:50.50kspathwolfman: likely, hwinfo queries for "normal" resolutions.
21:51.07norouteevaded: why would you do this?
21:51.07evadednoroute: Yes, i know, but i have an 'apt-proxy' server and want to add some local debs
21:51.13wolfmankspath, i guess Im abnormal then, being a wolfman and all
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21:51.29SevenIsPrimeHi all
21:51.37kspathwolfman: There were "standard" resolutions for years and years and years.
21:51.40evadednoroute: And it's also for test. I want to make some debs and want to add it on the server
21:51.42norouteevaded: so you want to install packages through the apt-proxy, right?
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21:51.59evadednoroute: apt-proxy is already setup and work fine
21:51.59wolfmankspath would it be worth changind my X to xorg?
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21:52.09relisAnyone else having a problem with aMSN freezing??
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21:52.21kspathwolfman: I do not know. I do not think you have exhausted your options with XFree yet.
21:52.21tarzeaurelis: worsk like champion her
21:52.23davis_philips: thanks
21:52.26streunerrelis: what does BTS say about?
21:52.27tarzeaurelis: what is your msn addy?
21:52.32jMn-lapa bug..
21:52.33jMn-laphm.
21:52.47philipsdavis_: which IBM location do you work at?
21:52.51relismy msn addy is zasr_reaper@hotmail.com, and im using gaim right now because amsn freezes when I try to login
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21:52.53kspathwolfman: Does your monitor manual has a listing of all valid resolutions?
21:52.58SevenIsPrimeI have a problem with a disk drive that is constantly accessed. I want to find out, what is using the drive. Is there any software that tells me who/what is accessing disk drives besides "fuser"?
21:53.00kspathhave
21:53.00evadednoroute: I just not know how it work if we have some local debs and how to add that path to the source.list. I mean i have some errors here. I not know if the directory of the debs file need to be have an special structure
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21:53.08tarzeaurelis: gaim can do webcam and photo?
21:53.24evadednoroute: He complain here about packages.gz list not found. I know there are not one
21:53.40wolfmankspath, yes, and I've been using 1680x1050 for ages on my windoze
21:53.41relistarzeau: the one that I apt-get doesnt (im running stable)
21:53.59nethensonIn the apache AutoIndex (the one with Icon   Name  Last modified  Size  Description)... it doesn't show the files bigger than 2.1G... is this configurable? a known bug?
21:54.08tarzeaurelis: there is backports.orgh
21:54.10evadednoroute: But if we add an http source. the packages.gz are automatically created. But not for local debs it's looks
21:54.17noroutehow does the sources line look?
21:54.25kspathwolfman: I am trying to help you. Windows does not matter here.  bit depth, resolution, refresh   that is what matters
21:54.27relistarzeau: sorry, but what is that?
21:54.36evadednoroute: deb file:/home/david/Downloads/debs ./
21:54.51norouteevaded: apt-proxy sources are http soruces for apt-proxy
21:54.55relistarzeau: nvmd, the site explains it well, thx
21:54.57evadednoroute: First it was not ./  but stable main
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21:55.20MoeenI got this error when tried to compiled a driver for my webcam : /home/.../uvcvideo.c:40:31: media/v4l2-common.h: No such file or directory. what can I do ?
21:55.21evadednoroute: I first try it without that apt-proxy
21:55.33evadednoroute: Like it not work locally
21:55.50evadednoroute: So sure on the server really it not work
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21:56.05wolfmankspath, grateful for your help, I don't know what else to do ,  I've tried what I thought would work.
21:56.14tarzeausomeone tried 2.6.16.9 yet?
21:56.20streunerMoeen: /msg dpkg search
21:56.22kspathwolfman: Do you have a manual for your monitor?
21:56.26relisCan someone give me an instruction to remove aMSN completely? I try apt-get remove amsn, but some folders and files still get left behind
21:56.36evadednoroute: I have set to 'deb file:/home/david/Downloads/debs main stable'
21:56.40tarzeaurelis: check in home .amsn* and amsn_rec*
21:56.45tarzeaurelis: and dpkg -P amsn
21:56.47wolfmankspath, yes, I'll get it
21:56.54kspathwolfman: Did you use a search engine to search for your monitor and linux   or your monitor and X    or XFree  or Xorg ...
21:57.02tarzeauwhy is www.kernel.org so ugly?
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21:57.04evadednoroute: And the path is '/home/david/debs' where there are the debs
21:57.11relistarzeau: someone was telling me about --purge, what does that do?
21:57.19tarzeaurelis: remov config files
21:57.23evadednoroute: Need i not make an special directory structure?
21:57.25tarzeaurelis: of system (not users config files)
21:57.27kspathwolfman: If you have a LCD than ignore any tips related to CRTs.
21:57.38Moeenstreuner, it seems that v4l2 was not compiled with kernel but I read in sites that it is compiled with default kernel !
21:57.44tarzeaurelis: hopefully dpkg can one day work also for users and not only root
21:57.47relistarzeau: so if I types apt-get remove --purge amsn it would get everything?
21:57.48norouteevaded: Ah, I see. If you want to have a file:/ repository you need to generate the directory files.
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21:57.59tarzeaurelis: all but user config/data stuff
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21:58.02UnWorldlydo the matrox g550 drivers work for the pcie version of the card?
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21:58.14streunerMoeen: you need a (h)eader file...
21:58.21relistarzeau: which the dpkg would get?
21:58.26evadednoroute: Make the 'Packages.gz'?? That's what he complain about, so i need to make it i guess
21:58.30tarzeaurelis: it's ok, just do it
21:58.37streunerMoeen: that's what we saw at least from that what you pasted
21:58.37evadednoroute: How to do it?
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21:58.53xijioanyone have any clever ways of finding files?  I need imapcp.tgz (md5 is 7d6b6e2129c08e9a737ff889e842ec78) I need version 0.97  I can't find it on google, any ideas?
21:59.10evadednoroute: touch Packages.gz is to simply and not work lol
21:59.11streunerMoeen: what does cat /proc/version say?
21:59.19tarzeauxijio: google filename index of?
21:59.27Moeenstreuner, wow, I think it solved ! I have this header in my Laptop (Debian Etch), but don't have in my Desktop (Debian Sarge)
21:59.32norouteevaded: you need dpkg-scanpackages
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21:59.55evadednoroute: Hhhm, i guess yes :-) like the content of the CD ROM's ...
21:59.58wolfmankspath, my manual (one pager) says ideal res is 1680x1050@60mhz
22:00.03Daedalus_!find imapcp.tgz
22:00.13xijiotarzeau: as I stated, nothing useful on google
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22:01.14relis!.deb
22:01.14dpkgrumour has it, .deb is a debian package
22:01.20relis-.-
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22:01.29evadednoroute: Thanks man ;-) i need to look in the man pages of it, but i think it's that ;-)
22:01.42relisI could never install .deb, something always goes wrong
22:01.48relislike..without apt
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22:02.50norouteevaded: You also need to run this tool after you update the .debs. You need this structure to make a repository.
22:03.12surgeUsing aptitude I selected to downgrade perl. When I hit g it came up with several packages to be removed due to unsatisfied dependencies. Is there a way to make all of these downgrade to the first available one automatically?
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22:03.36evadednoroute: Thanks :-)
22:03.58norouteevaded: np
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22:06.44relisAny good msn emulators besides amsn, gaim, kopete?
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22:08.19surgerelis: kmess?
22:08.36relissurge: Does it let you use display pictures?
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22:09.51surgerelis: Mmm, I don't believe so.
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22:10.23EmleyMoorHow do I do nfs over tcp?
22:10.26tarzeaurelis: amsn
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22:10.35tarzeaurelis: amsn support pictures and webcam
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22:10.44Ninhi there!
22:10.45tarzeauEmleyMoor: unfs3 ?
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22:10.53tarzeauEmleyMoor: or the kernelserver nfs?
22:10.57EmleyMoorKernel server
22:11.00tarzeauhello Nin
22:11.07zrinhow can I find out which driver handles a device (as /dev/something, as pci device) on a running system?
22:11.32EmleyMoor(if possible)
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22:18.35DabianIf I was brave, I would probably ask:  "Is this #ubuntu?".
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22:19.06HellDragonok Azar
22:19.20mentorDabian: it isn't.
22:19.29wolfmani can't believe this, I really was making an effort to come off windows, did my hardware setup and everything.  but I can't get my screen res 1680x1050.  I find I'm going back to my old setup.
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22:19.59mentorheh
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22:20.10mentorwolfman: What graphics card are you using
22:20.11mentor?
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22:20.48wolfmanmentor, onboard intel 815 embedded graphixs driver 128mb
22:21.05mentorwolfman: Does read-edid/get-edid/parse-edid give a monitor mode for 1680x1050?
22:21.17curelesswolfman: those embedded things.
22:21.24Azarwolfman: the reconfigure for X gives you two options to work on: 1. PREFERRED resolution, thats the one you gonna be using, and 2. uncheck unwanted resolutions where you leave checked two or more resolutions to be used for hmm some games requirements, etc.
22:21.30wolfmanmentor, don't know those commands...
22:21.32mentorwolfman: Arg, I think modesetting on that embedded chipset is horribly complicated.
22:21.39mentorwolfman: Look them up...
22:22.08mentorwolfman: I think there was some code released recently for native modesetting but I'm note sure where it got to. Check planet.freedesktop.org
22:22.10curelessisnt't that one of those chipsets where you had to modify the memory thing? Like the available video ram? Or was that for old Xs?
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22:23.52wolfmanmentor, no probs, I have limited time in my life at the moment, I'm going to revert back to my old monitor (sucks really at 1024x768) and use this widescreen for windows again :-(
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22:24.11zrinhow can I find out which driver handles a device (as /dev/something, as pci device) on a running system? please?
22:24.14wolfmanthanks cureless Azar mentor
22:24.40OliverKlozofffreaking wireless
22:25.01curelesswolfman: get a normal video card. :-)
22:25.20wolfmancureless, any suggestions?
22:25.22magyarbleh
22:25.27Azarwolfman, for beginners conservative hardware is the best choice, until they learn how to tweak stuff
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22:25.42mentorIt should all just work
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22:25.47curelesswolfman: heh, I have a dual 1680x1050 :-)
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22:26.00mentorBut, if we don't have the fecking specification to the hardware.
22:26.01Azaryou do not know? you do not have the time to learn? get modest hardware
22:26.07wolfmancureless, Azar, I am using an old dell machine - I thought it would be ok.
22:26.17wolfmancureless, what gfx cards are you using?
22:26.18curelesswolfman: get an nvidia card.
22:26.26wolfmancureless, thanks.
22:26.27Azarwolfman: dell is a pain in the somewhere even with windows
22:26.34curelesswolfman: 6600 gt, dual dvi
22:26.38zrin:( did I use up all my q-credit or was the question too hard?
22:26.48magyarits about time they get some closed code drivers into the kernel
22:26.49itrebaljhow can i roll-back GCC to 3.4? thats what the kernel was made with, and my kernel will reject NVIDIA modules if its not made with 3.4
22:26.52magyar-_-
22:27.06curelesswolfman: the tricky part is the dual dvi, not many cards have that.
22:27.10Azarzrin there might be a way but I don't remember now
22:27.19wolfmanAzar, true, I bought an IBM recently for the misses so I've aquired her old dell.
22:27.48wolfmanProbably should have used the newer IBM for debian!
22:27.53curelesswolfman: previously I could use 1 dvi with the geforce 5600, that should be cheam now, no?
22:27.59magyarATI with dual DVI works ok
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22:28.17Azarwolfman: the way I heard around here and read online, most dell PCs are using shitty hardware, hard to configure drivers
22:28.23wolfmancureless, that 6600GT must be a noisy one.
22:28.44magyarAMEN Azar, from my mouths
22:29.02curelesswolfman: depends what you compare it to, but the dual-dvi is worth it.
22:29.03itrebalAzar: very very true
22:29.06magyardell will use some wired oem shit with their own additions
22:29.35magyarDELL, just say NO
22:29.46wolfmancureless, do you really find DVI better than VGA?  I have both and I cannot tell the difference.
22:30.06magyarwolfman: depends on monitor
22:30.12itrebalcureless: depends what you do, with hard-core visual stuff, there is a big difference (as well as on the monitor)
22:30.13wolfmanmagyar, advice is noted for future reference.
22:30.18curelesswolfman: you're kidding right?  Maybe at 1024x768, but at 1680x1050 I notice a lot.
22:30.20kspathI prefer to build it myself with carefully chosen ASUS or TYAN boards. I wait until a board has been out a while and tested and newer firmware is out.
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22:30.32mentorhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-April/014555.html
22:30.46magyari am @ 1900X1200 and BIG difference
22:31.12wolfmanmagyar, sheesh, what size monitor?
22:31.25magyarwolfman: 24 Wide
22:31.30mentorwolfman: ^^
22:31.40Azarzrin maybe this will help: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Plug-and-Play-HOWTO-6.html
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22:32.22wolfmanmagyar, you must feel like spock on the starship enterprise looking at that screen!!!!
22:32.25magyar!suck
22:32.25dpkgfrom memory, suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server
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22:32.33voxvirushi all
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22:32.41magyar!hi
22:32.42dpkghello, magyar
22:32.48magyarwolfman: -_-
22:32.51d4d0hi all, isnt there a "tor" package for stable?
22:33.02Azarwolfman: if you truly want to enjoy your own Debian box, buy one, keep in mind: conservative hardware, do not jump on the latest cracks , those are for windows to give you blue screens
22:33.03zrinAzar: thank you - I have one working kernel but can't identify the needed driver for the (VMWare) SCSI adapter, which is Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X
22:33.13wolfmanmagyar, that is a new one for me - what does -_- mean?
22:33.18magyard4d0: dpkg -l "tor*"
22:33.29pbryand4d0: According to http://packages.debian.org/tor, no.
22:33.37magyarwolfman: smiley
22:34.04Azarzrin: simple: google for " linux Debian module for Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI -X"
22:34.04rajulocalWhen trying to install texmacs-common on an unstable sid sytem, it wants to remove texmacs package. How can I know what the reason behind this removal is? Is this a bug?
22:34.04curelessor in this case seriously..
22:34.18magyar!tell
22:34.32wolfmanAzar, yes, that's what I thought, I remember installing debian on a newly built machine when the 9800Pros and GB Lans came out.  Damn, I had to write my own drivers then.
22:34.40Azarzrin, and even simpler: install   modconf   then run it: modconf, then look on the list of modules there and select it
22:34.44d4d0pbryan: well that means i gotta upgrade to unstable for one single package, if i dont want to use backports?
22:34.51pbryand4d0:
22:34.52wolfmanhence I thought it would be safe using a 1000mhz dell
22:34.59wolfmanbeen around a while.
22:35.05magyar!tell magyar about blootbot
22:35.06pbryand4d0: You might get away with just getting the deb and installing it.
22:35.26zrinAzar: thank you
22:35.39wolfmananyway, thanks all, I'm poweroff'ing to connect my old monitor back.
22:35.44d4d0pbryan: no. glibs dependencies are not met
22:35.53d4d0glibc*
22:35.55curelesswolfman: giving up?
22:35.55pbryand4d0: Then you're out of luck, methinks.
22:35.59Azarwolfman, last year I built my latest box: an MSI mobo, AMD Sempron, nVidia MX 4000, IDE HD , via chipset. The friendliest bunch of hardware , never have had one glitch
22:36.09d4d0pbryan: too bad. ok thanks
22:36.13pbryand4d0: No backport for it?
22:36.22d4d0pbryan: im not sure
22:37.18wolfmancureless, at this stage, I need to get the debian setup running for my work.  I don't have the time to get this thing working - past experience has shown that I'm likely to spend at least a week on this.
22:37.23kspathAzar: You waited before buying the board to know whether of not others had issues with it and if there were any newer firmware revisions.
22:37.26pbryand4d0: Looks like there is.
22:37.29magyari built  an asus p5wd2 with ati radeon 850 and sata drives on a ahci controller, had a bunch of fun
22:37.36magyarand lots of grey hair
22:37.37Azarthis box I am running now, is older also a via chipset, AMD Athlon, nvidia GeForce2 MX MX 400 , all very smooth at install, upgrade and config
22:37.42pbryanVersion: 0.1.0.17-0bpo1.
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22:38.04wolfmanthanks again and see you again soon!
22:38.04Azarkspath: no, simply I am a fan of AMD, via chipset and nVidia.
22:38.05curelesswolfman: buy a geforce mx , problem fixed. :-)
22:38.16wolfmancureless, noted thanks.
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22:38.26curelesswolfman: good luck
22:38.30irsiriusall my problems solved just by reading the topic! :)
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22:38.32wolfmanbye
22:38.40Azarkspath:  I also have read the Release manual of Sarge, where it advise to be conservative with hardware if you are a beginner
22:38.45boolkaI heard Xandros is based on Debian, is it possible to get support here for Xandros?
22:38.53kspathboolka: no
22:38.54tarzeauboolka: no
22:39.00curelessboolka: probably not.
22:39.02thingfishboolka: no way jose.
22:39.03kspathboolka: !based
22:39.07kspath!based
22:39.11magyarirsirius:  "This is not ubuntu" :)
22:39.12tarzeaukspath: dondelelcaro deleted it
22:39.15thingfish!based on
22:39.22tarzeauit was !based on debian
22:39.23ongeborenhow important are the debian kernel patches and what are the problems in using the original kernel without the debian patches ?
22:39.27tarzeauand it was very useful
22:39.29curelessboolka: having said that, what's your question? (quick before the kick you out!)
22:39.33thingfishoh well
22:39.34tarzeaudondelelcaro: do you have a backup of what it exactly said?
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22:39.49magyar! tell yaird
22:39.59tarzeauongeboren: securitzy. no we use original latest kernels too
22:40.13magyar! tell magyar about  yaird
22:40.37d4d0pbryan: found it, thanks. installing now
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22:40.59magyardpkg doesnt know what yaird is.........bahh
22:41.05ongeborentarzeau, are you suggesting that the original kernels are not secure enough ?
22:41.07jplibresay you have a domain, and spammers have started using <random-text>@<yourdomain> for spam source addresses (hence you get the bounces back at the smtp daemon).  What are some ways to combat this, other than asking the originator of the failure notices to see if they logged someone connecting
22:41.11tarzeauongeboren: no
22:41.18tarzeauongeboren: i say they are at least as good. we use them
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22:41.30surgeHow do I find out what version of a package is installed?
22:41.32tarzeauongeboren: main reason being, we've got hardware that debian old linux kernels don't support
22:41.37boolkacureless , I hope your kidding. My question is  when Xandros is loading - it gets to a menue where I get to choose the OS, I have a Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard combo, in that menu the keyboard is not working, but if I connect a regular keyboard and load into Xandros then hook up my wireless keyboard, it works perfectly there. Any ideas?
22:41.37tarzeausurge: dpkg -l pkg
22:41.45curelesssurge: dpkg -l package
22:41.47dondelelcarotarzeau: yeah, I have backups of it; let me track down what is going on there.
22:41.56kspathboolka: This is #debian not #xandros
22:41.58curelessboolka: yeah, we can't answer that question here.
22:42.05tarzeaudondelelcaro: thank you. so it wasn't you who deleted the factoid?
22:42.12surgetarzeau: cureless: Thanks.
22:42.12ongeborentarzeau, ok, thanks for the info
22:42.30thingfishboolka: asking for Xandros help in #debian makes as much sense as asking for suse help in #fedora.
22:42.43boolkaYou guys seem to really dislike xandros, any specific reason?
22:42.46dondelelcarodpkg: based on is <reply> see based on debian
22:42.46dpkgokay, dondelelcaro
22:42.49tarzeauthingfish: #suse is pretty open minded though
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22:42.51thingfishboolka: it's not that at all.
22:43.09curelessboolka: it was my fault for "encouraging" you to ask the question. You've been polite, most people are not.
22:43.12jplibreif you ask about suse, debian, or fedora I'll try to answer the question when I see it ;)
22:43.17dondelelcaroboolka: we don't discriminate against DDDs, we just can't support it here.
22:43.17kspathjplibre: That is called back scatter. This is #debian. You might consider joining your #MTA channel and asking them.
22:43.21tarzeauboolka: it's just , that based on debian people make often things horribly buggy
22:43.44tarzeauboolka: for example knoppix is a very great example of screwing up things and raping stuff in all possible ways
22:43.50thingfishhehe
22:43.52tarzeauboolka: and no, the others are no better
22:43.53curelessboolka: sometimes the question is really simple, like what's the command to list files, so we can answer that, but most times people have packaging questions about other "debian" distros and they don't understand they are not debian.
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22:44.09ckdgood evening
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22:44.17jplibretarzeau: how does knoppix screw things up?
22:44.18kspathboolka: This is #debian. It supports DEBIAN. XANDROS is NOT DEBIAN.
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22:44.27tarzeaucureless: the main problem being, package quality , mixing archives or screwing deps
22:44.31boolkakspath relax buddy
22:44.33tarzeaujplibre: in many many ways
22:44.40curelesstarzeau: don't convince me.
22:44.40tarzeaujplibre: tried cups and knoppix 5 yet?
22:44.51tarzeaucureless: i don't need to convince you, it's fact
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22:44.56jplibrenope, I don't really use knoppix much
22:44.59curelesstarzeau: I was trying to be nice to boolka since (s)he was polite. :-)
22:45.00kspathboolka: I am relaxed. I assumed you had a vision problem so I used capital letters.
22:45.05mhallHow can I scan /var/lib/dpkg/status for errors and correct them?
22:45.06jplibrebut it has always been nice to bring around with me
22:45.06ckdeverybode want help my? i want connect to my router with wlan, but i made a ad-hoc with myself
22:45.06Azarthe packages are different: debianized, ubuntized, xandrosized...
22:45.09tarzeaucureless: go ahead, i'm not stoping you
22:45.14irsiriusmagyar: yes, i put it in upside down  ;)
22:45.17tarzeaucureless: i also support livecd.gnustep.org people here
22:45.39tarzeaumhall: oh because it's you i login at work computer and look how...
22:45.51mhalltarzeau: was?
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22:46.22tarzeaumhall: i wouldn't check this if it was some person i don't know
22:46.34mhalltarzeau: ah alright now i understand
22:46.43tombshi all
22:47.11tarzeaumhall: the notes i have only recreate /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin though (using dselect update)
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22:47.31tarzeaumhall: isn't there no backup file of it?
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22:47.40escaladehi
22:47.42tarzeaumhall: status-old ?
22:47.46boolkacureless not too much help in Xandros room... only 7 people there, thats including me. :(
22:47.59curelessboolka: why don't you install debian?
22:48.04boolkaI tried
22:48.05curelessboolka: we'll help you out.
22:48.17boolkatoo complicated for me
22:48.21thingfishboolka: no it's not.
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22:48.31escaladeneed some help with mrtg. i created the index.html file but now i want to monitor more than one machine and i cant findout how?
22:48.33mhalltarzeau: there is, but this error is real weird
22:48.34tarzeauthingfish: it is, when he says so after having tried
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22:48.43curelessboolka: who told you that?
22:48.44tarzeaumhall: err msg? diff of the two?
22:48.52mhalltarzeau: here's what it is: grep-status: /var/lib/dpkg/status:14981: expected a colon.
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22:48.59thingfishoh he tried Debian already?
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22:49.00boolkacureless, I said that to myself hehe, after installing it.
22:49.02tarzeaumhall: check that line, is there no : ?
22:49.11kspathcureless: Do you want the ubuntu and xandros and libranet and knoppix and kanotix and ... to form lines in front of you for support?
22:49.42curelesskspath: what? I'm trying to get him to switch to debian.
22:49.53Azarboolka: any OS will require research to learn it: google, forums, irc...
22:49.54thingfishafter I installed Debian first time, I thought - well, what's the big deal?  It's just gnu/linux.
22:50.05mhalltarzeau: it looks as follows: Description: MAD - MPEG audio plugin for libavifile
22:50.06thingfishyou hear all these horror stories.
22:50.09boolkacureless, I want to take babysteps into the world of linux, I need my computer for school, so I dont have the time to sit and learn alot everyday to make it function right ( i.e. mouse, internet)
22:50.15tarzeauAzar: how's your NM going?
22:50.24tarzeauthingfish: wanna try debian gnu/kfreebsd?
22:50.35thingfishtarzeau: I've thought about it.
22:50.37Azarthingfish: I was in pain for my first 6 months with Debian, but I wanted it so bad, I kept going
22:50.42tarzeauthingfish: people hear what they want to
22:50.54Azartarzeau: hi :) well still lame at it
22:51.06thingfishtarzeau: and some people mislead others.
22:51.14tarzeauthingfish: ack
22:51.18thingfishthat those red hat shills.
22:51.25thingfishhehe
22:51.44curelessboolka: well, you're free to choose what you want.  People in this channel will try to help you when you have debian questions if you do eventually choose that route.
22:52.02Azarthingfish: many people have a hard time reading documentation, so everything involving reading, looks hard for them
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22:52.16boolkacureless, debian is the goal for me...
22:52.17thingfishboolka: you can install and deal with Debian.  Have you installed Ubuntu?  If you can install it, you can install Debian.
22:52.35thingfishboolka: and for what you have trouble with, you can find help in here.
22:52.41curelessboolka: then stop trying derivatives and just install debian.
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22:53.10surgeIn aptitude, once I've hit g to show what will be removed/upgraded etc. If I alter something, how can I update that view?
22:53.17thingfishthose derivatives pile on all this crap that promises tons but delivers zilch.
22:53.21boolkaHehe, this almost feels like you guys trying to convert me heh... almost there too
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22:55.07boolkabrb
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22:56.04thingfishI have a craving for fish tonight.
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22:56.16kspaththingfish: Cannibal!
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22:56.22thingfishoh hehe
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22:56.43thingfishbut I'm not a catfish or a halibut.
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22:56.59kspathsouthern fried catfish
22:57.03kspathyummy!
22:57.06allpurposeWhat is a good secure message board system I can install with apache2 on a debian testing sytem?
22:57.06thingfishyeah maybe...
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22:57.46curelessallpurpose: what do you mean by secure? read? write? SSL? "hackerproof"?
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22:58.22allpurposecureless something floss and relatively secure(history)
22:58.31allpurposeOr at least have good security patch response time.
22:59.03curelessallpurpose: what do you mean by secure? non-hackable?
22:59.36allpurposecureless nothing is non-hackable
22:59.45allpurposecureless I just want something with a good reputation and track record
22:59.48curelesscureless: "as non-hackable as possible"
22:59.54thingfishman I wish I were more advanced.  my psychologist's office is dying for an alternative to windows...but they use some proprietary scheduling app.
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23:01.11kspaththingfish: more advanced than what?
23:01.50thingfishkspath: all I know is low level multimedia desktop stuff.
23:02.03kspath?
23:02.04thingfishwell, in the linux world.
23:02.08stewkspath: more advanced than a halibut or a catfish
23:02.11thingfishhehe
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23:02.27tuvhow do i know from which source in my source.list a package is?
23:02.31thingfishhey halibut is very advanced.  love that fish.
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23:02.43kspaththingfish: you can pick up python or perl in a 1-2 weeks.
23:02.46streunertuv: policy
23:02.51thingfishI'll take halibut over anything anyday, except maybe for walleye pike.
23:02.54mhallRunning "grep-status -P -e "^foo" -a -FStatus 'hold' -n -s Package" results in this error: "grep-status: /var/lib/dpkg/status:14981: expected a colon." Removing the package listed at 14981 does not fix the problem. Now what?
23:02.57Azartuv: three Debian distributions, three sources:  stable    testing   sid
23:03.03allpurposecureless?
23:03.08voxvirusallpurpose: ofcourse there is.. echo "stuff" > index.html; chmod 666 index.html; mv index.html /var/www
23:03.12voxvirus=)
23:03.13stewmhall: try it with statis from /var/backpups?
23:03.16stewstatus*
23:03.21mhallstew: ok
23:03.26kspaththingfish: You can use TK for GUI if it has to have that.
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23:03.31streunertuv: apt-cache policy <package>
23:03.38zrindisk activity on a new box i have seems way high to me - can I somehow monitor what is going on? (it is not swapping)
23:03.42curelessallpurpose: umm, I don't know. I've tried some CMSs and I've had problems with mambo (now Joomla).  Recently I've settled for moinmoin (wiki).
23:04.04mhallstew: still does it
23:04.04curelessallpurpose: not exactly a forum though.
23:04.14Azarzrin: I use gkrell (apt-get install gkrell)
23:04.15mhallstew: can you try it on your status file?
23:04.23zrinAzar: thank you
23:04.26mhallstew: i wanna know if it's an integer overflow or something weird
23:04.33curelessallpurpose: I would suggest you stay with something in the apt repositories, it'll help you with security updates.
23:04.47thingfishkspath: I was just musing because the guy was almost like, "Save us!"
23:05.01thingfishthey're sick of their present support staff
23:05.06tuvstreuner, thanks.. that's it
23:05.25streunertuv: you are welcome
23:05.28thingfishall I really know so far is that it looks like they're on win2k.
23:05.42thingfishbut of course you don't want to peek too much at their computers.
23:05.51stewmhall: exits with a exit code of 1, nothing to stdout or stderr
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23:06.22mhallstew: odd
23:06.43stewmhall: sid?
23:06.48mhallstew: yes
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23:06.54kspaththingfish: sure, you were trying to see which patients were addicted to sex?  just kidding of course...
23:06.55mhallstew: something must be strange
23:06.59jplibreokay, this is a general question about bash, but perhaps someone here knows - how can you easily find out the actual location of an executable when it is run using a symlink to it?
23:07.04thingfishhehe kspath
23:07.16thingfishwish I'd have thought of that...
23:07.26kspathjplibre: which?
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23:07.33stewmhall: yeah i get the same on sid/testing/stable machines
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23:07.51poonjhe guys...
23:07.58poonjwhat is a good AGP card to get for games these days?
23:08.14stewjplibre: readlink $(which commandname)
23:08.27jplibrekspath: 'dirname' will always return the location of the symlink, I want to find out where the actual script is located.  I could do this with some ls mangling, but ....
23:08.28kspathjplibre: which whereis whatis file ls   there are so many that give various pieces of information
23:08.35curelesspoonj: what are your main goals/criteria?
23:08.38phoggjplibre: stat argv0 and, if it's a symlink, follow it.
23:08.56poonjcureless, play some games, but mainly do work
23:09.09jplibrestew, phogg: thanks
23:09.11kspathjplibre: there you go  stat
23:09.15poonjgames I'm interested in playing are WC3, Call of Duty, Ghost Recon, and CS
23:09.17curelesspoonj: most cards ati/nvidia work for that criteria.
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23:09.39poonjcureless, should I get a GeForce 6800?  or 7800?
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23:10.00poonjalso, how are the drivers for ATI in linux?
23:10.12curelesspoonj: both cards work. The ATI drivers are better than before.
23:11.12poonjnvidia still better?
23:11.35phoggpoonj: afaik, yes. ATI just doesn't suck as much any more.
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23:14.03_Sam--hi im having a problem with my AMD64 glibc...and im not sure how to get the latest ver.  i need to get a version mentioned here, but i cant figure out how..  http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2006/03/msg00320.html
23:14.27_Sam--"Glibc with this fix is currently in sarge-unsupported archive for amd64.
23:14.28_Sam--"
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23:14.45_Sam--ive added a line to my apt sources for sarge-unsupported
23:14.53_Sam--but i still dont find a new libc i need
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23:15.58Azarmy first time in etch , I know I don't get security updates, should I try getting any other kind of updates, or just sit with what I got?
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23:16.41_Sam--basically i have a dual opteron server sitting idle because of this bug in libc/mysql http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314408
23:16.58_Sam--and until i can figure out how/where to get the fixed ver of libc
23:17.18vin`Azar: /msg dpkg testing security
23:17.36Azarvin`, I did that did not understand it
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23:19.07vin`Azar: what part didn't you understand?
23:19.13anabainIs there any way to get permissions shown in the three numbers format rather than in the rw-r--- format?
23:19.27ne78I sent a message to a debian mailing list 8h ago (i'm not subscribed) should resend it ?
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23:19.48_Sam--anyone tell me how/where to get a new AMD64 glibc?
23:20.03zamalipheI'm trying to find a good type learning program that make me learn where i but my fingers ??did any one hear know good one??
23:20.06vin`_Sam--: try #debian-amd64
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23:20.20_Sam--thanks
23:20.21cafuego!dstats etch
23:20.21ne78I sent a message to a debian mailing list 8h ago (i'm not subscribed) and it's sill not there  should resend it ?
23:20.25angryadmin.quit
23:20.31dpkgDebian Distro Stats on etch... 17053 packages, 1609 maintainers, 33217 MB installed size, 10519 MB compressed size.
23:20.46stewne78: does it show up in the archives on http://lists.debian.org/listname ?
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23:20.55escaladene78 normaly the admin must manually aprove the message
23:21.07escaladeif not subscribed
23:21.20Mjelvai realize this is a bit of a general question, but i'm having problems getting wireless running after i upgraded to 2.6.15. when i ran 2.6.12 i ran drivers through ndiswrapper, and using wireless-tools, and all was good. but now, i'm unable to compile ndiswrapper, and i'm completely at a loss as for what to do. anyone got time to help me?
23:21.47ne78stew: not yet
23:21.56stewne78: oh, *not* subscribed... afaik, very recently the lists were in fact changed to be moderated for non subscriber posts
23:22.07ne78stew: i tried smartlist archive to
23:22.08escaladeMjelva: what can of card u have?
23:22.14ne78escalade: manually ?
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23:22.48escaladene78: if no member, the message goes in a que, until aproved
23:22.48zamalipheI'm trying to find a good type learning program that make me learn where i but my fingers ??did any one hear know good one??
23:22.57Mjelvaescalade - i have a broadcom card. BCM94318MPG.
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23:23.07ne78escalade for non active list what does it mean ?
23:23.10scyrmaZeit|away, there is ktouch .. but I've never tried it
23:23.13scyrmaoops
23:23.18ne78escalade it might takes days ?
23:23.18zickzamaliphe, my advice: start writing more. it will come automatically after some time :)
23:23.20scyrmazamaliphe, .. try ktouch. :)
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23:23.50zamaliphe<scyrma> thanks
23:24.02escaladene78: normaly hours... if its an active list
23:24.17scyrmazamaliphe, but the trick is really to practice ... you don't actually need a program, just a lot of practice
23:24.56ne78escalade: 8h, i will subscribe and resent
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23:26.43allpurposeWhat is a good message board system that is on debian.org?(sometihng that is fairly secure)
23:26.57zickzamaliphe, you won't "learn" it faster with typing program.. you will learn only by doing. and that is, writing. there's no shortcuts.
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23:27.22stewi don't agree.  i got much faster by using good typing tutors
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23:27.45vin`and irc? :)
23:27.50stewof course :)
23:27.57zickirc is the best typing program. heh :)
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23:29.25zickstew, btw. just out of curiousity, how fast are you? chars/min? :)
23:29.33mavric2001is there a repository for upgrading mozilla-firefox to the latest release?
23:30.00stewzick: somewhere in the 350 range i think?
23:30.16zickstew, ok :)
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23:30.36stewfaster when i'm angry
23:30.40zickhaha :D
23:30.50stewbut with more mistakes :)
23:30.55zickbattle rage ;)
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23:32.34amphizamaliphe: there's also gtypist
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23:33.28zamaliphei have install ktouch
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23:34.26zamalipheand I'm installing gtypist now
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23:35.57zamaliphe<amphi>  thanks thanks all of you guy-es
23:37.36J0NASi can not scan with other users then root in XSane, any hints? Thanks.
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23:38.26MarupaCould someone help guide me through an install of debian?  I've only ever booted from a disk, and I don't have that luxury at the moment.  Trying to do it over a ssh connection.
23:38.40Mjelvai realize this is a bit of a general question, but i'm having problems getting wireless running after i upgraded to 2.6.15. when i ran 2.6.12 i ran drivers through ndiswrapper, and using wireless-tools, and all was good. but now, i'm unable to compile ndiswrapper, and i'm completely at a loss as for what to do. anyone got time to help me?
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23:41.01Azarwill Etch get Smart PM ?
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23:42.27MarupaAnyone?
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23:43.14mavric2001Marupa: debian is relatively easy to install, follow the prompts
23:43.21vin`Marupa: where are you stuck?
23:43.26Marupafrom an SSH environment, mavric2001.
23:43.36Marupawell, for one, I don;t know where to start.
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23:43.53vin`Marupa: google for debootstrap
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23:44.04wickidisdy0y00y0
23:44.23mavric2001why ssh?
23:44.30mavric2001do a net install
23:44.31Marupabecause I can't get into the server directly.
23:44.47wickidisdinsdertip:check www.SMS.DR.AG for free sms instant no signup :) all networks
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23:45.35deadcatdoes acpi show time left on laptop battery?
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23:46.41kuruminyyyyyyyyyyyy
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23:47.15magyaranyone using horde?
23:47.15vin`deadcat: does for me.
23:47.22iteryes
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23:47.29iterhorde/imp = :)
23:47.41magyariter: on etch?
23:47.51sittinducki've tried to install a kernel-image-2.4-686-smp on a dual PIII processor. i get an error message telling that dpkg received an error, something like "unable to load the following shared library: /lib/libdl.so.2" this library is located at /lib, i don't know what could be happening...have anyone had the same problem?
23:48.02iterno freebsd
23:48.06itergo berkeley
23:48.13magyar_-_
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23:48.21iterbut ask anyway
23:48.24itermaybe I can help
23:48.28Dwonissittinduck: someone else did, unless that was you
23:48.40mavric2001whens the next stable release of debian coming?
23:48.49Dwonis!wir
23:48.49dpkgwir is When It's Ready.  See also RSN and SIYH
23:48.53sciboyHey guys, i am running on a new machine and just installed the nvidia drivers, and setup TwinView, but i run GLXGears and it's pretty slow and doesn't print out the frame-rate.
23:49.08magyariter: wont apply, i think, ethc had a horde update which inturn broke the "folder tree" view for imp :(
23:49.12sciboyglx-info shows Direct Rendering is enabled, but what to do...
23:49.21iterah yea sorry
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23:49.59magyariter: on the same note, do you use ingo?
23:50.05Dwonissciboy: you have yo be careful about glxgears seeming really slow.  Sometimes it's just aliasing with your screen's refresh rate (e.g. 100 fps can seem faster than 514 fps)
23:50.25sciboyDwonis, True, but what's worrying me is the lack of STDOUT
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23:50.35Dwonissciboy: lack of stdout _ever_?
23:50.39itermagyar: no, should I ?
23:50.48sciboyDwonis, No, i mean it isn't printing out the frame-rates.
23:50.55iterlooks kind of cool
23:51.00Dwonissciboy: right, but how long did you wait?
23:51.12sciboyDwonis, 10 minutes or so.
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23:51.27Dwonissciboy: oh, that sounds like it's probably enough :)
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23:51.32magyariter: apparently it has vacation filter, which i haven't been able to set
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23:51.43iterso the webpage claims
23:51.47sciboyDwonis, And i have an incling the slow appearance has something to do with it. =|
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23:52.04magyariter: long live openBSD
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23:52.08Dwonissciboy: could be.  You could try xscreensavers-gl
23:52.16iteryeah openBSd is nice
23:52.18sittinduckcan anyone help me out with the kernel 2.4 smp image?
23:52.32iterbuncha paranoid fellows that's for sure
23:52.33magyariter: the quickest mother on the block :)
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23:53.01iterlike freebsd -- runs anything linux will, and faster
23:53.02FrekoDinghi
23:53.04sfullenwiderwhat's the phrase to get dpkg to tell me about not having xdm?
23:53.13iterbut I'll stfu now considering what channel I'm in ;)
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23:53.26FrekoDingupdate-rc -f xdm remove
23:53.26Dwonisiter: damn right! ;)
23:53.35FrekoDingupdate-rc.d -f xdm remove
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23:53.56efaistoshi
23:54.19FrekoDingi think xdm is included in Xorg 6.x
23:54.36FrekoDingHi !
23:54.40efaistosdoes someone have an laser color printer ? When I print a test page under cups the colors are okay but not under gimp or other software ... do you know why ?
23:54.42FrekoDingi've problem with locales
23:54.48sittinduckwell i think i should kick debian out and install vista...probably they got a better support to my smp machine..
23:54.49DwonisFrekoDing: Yes, but it's in its own package: xdm
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23:55.06sittinduckalthoug it will segfault a bit more...
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23:55.22FrekoDingcheck the log files...
23:55.40deadcatFrekoDing: no. xdm is by itself. but you can install x-window-system which includes xdm
23:55.46sciboyDwonis, Is there a fairly intensive screensaver you recommend?
23:55.56deadcatsciboy: xlockmore
23:56.02deadcatno fancy stuff but it works ok
23:56.08deadcatit has the matrix theme (=
23:56.15vin`FrekoDing: #361048
23:56.15FrekoDingelectricsheep ;)
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23:56.25Dwonissciboy: take your pick
23:56.28sciboyDwonis, Don't seem to have that one.
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23:56.48Dwonissciboy: I think that was for deadcat or FrekoDing
23:56.51sittinducka good screensaver is cat /dev/urandom...
23:56.56FrekoDinglol
23:57.11Dwonissittinduck: You forgot the > /dev/kmem
23:57.29sittinduckoh yeah! i missed that
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23:57.59sciboyDwonis, Well it seems to be working.
23:58.12sciboyDwonis, Shame i can't get a frame-rate from glxgears though. =(
23:58.19Dwonissciboy: yeah; seems odd
23:58.24sittinducksciboy, use a blank screen...
23:58.26deadcatsciboy: on 7.0?
23:58.32sciboydeadcat, yup
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23:58.42deadcatsciboy: same here. and last time no one believed me
23:58.45sittinducksciboy: blank screen nothing intensive
23:59.06sciboydeadcat, Well you're not as crazy as you seem then. =P
23:59.18deadcatnot at all. (=
23:59.22Dwonissciboy: if you want to test it further, you could install tuxracer/planetpenguin-racer.  It's not too intensive, but it really gags on software GL
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23:59.49sittinduckyall, my smp machine doesn't give me a speedup when i use a threaded program instead of a sequential, how crazy is that?
23:59.56sciboyDwonis, I'll do it quick before the boss spots me.

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