| 00:00.17 | sciboy | Dwonis, This machine is a beast. =D |
| 00:00.21 | nevyn | sittinduck: it's very dependant on the workload |
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| 00:00.26 | sciboy | Dwonis, SLI, Dual Dual Core Opterons. |
| 00:00.34 | sittinduck | sciboy: glxgears ain't showing fps anymore |
| 00:00.48 | sciboy | Dwonis, He decided not to go with ECC though. =( |
| 00:00.50 | Dwonis | sciboy: wah. Can I have it? |
| 00:00.58 | Dwonis | sciboy: oh, forget it, then |
| 00:01.02 | sittinduck | nevyn: i have a convolution program, i split the matrix amog the threads...it doubled the time |
| 00:01.03 | sciboy | Dwonis, Oh well, atleast 4gigs should do me well though. |
| 00:01.44 | sciboy | Dwonis, Dual-screen setup aswell, but before i had a 30" hooked up to this thing. |
| 00:01.46 | MatBoy | does someone know a mldonkey-server that comes in rpm ? |
| 00:02.01 | sciboy | Dwonis, Amen to having a geeky shop-a-holic for a boss. |
| 00:02.10 | sittinduck | nevyn: since there's no locking between the threads it should give me at least a time smaller than the sequential version of the program |
| 00:02.45 | nevyn | what cpu? |
| 00:02.56 | Dwonis | sciboy: sure. just make sure your resume is up-to-date. If your boss spends too much, he might not have enough left to pay you ;) |
| 00:03.00 | nevyn | how big is the matrix? |
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| 00:03.24 | sittinduck | nevyn: 512x512 1024x1024 and 2048x2048 |
| 00:03.26 | voxvirus | nevyn: 3x120min |
| 00:03.32 | voxvirus | :) |
| 00:03.37 | Dwonis | nevyn: The Matrix is at least half as large as Zombo.com |
| 00:03.38 | nevyn | hrm |
| 00:03.38 | sciboy | Dwonis, Hehe, i'm the only code-monkey in the house, and also second as a 2d and 3d animator, he has no plans on getting rid of me any time soon. =D |
| 00:04.49 | sittinduck | nevyn: 2 PIII coppermine |
| 00:05.22 | sciboy | Dwonis, HOLY SHIT PPRACER PLAYS SMOOTH! |
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| 00:05.36 | sciboy | Dwonis, And with antialiasing. D= |
| 00:05.40 | DavidW2 | Hi. How can a list/remove old or obsolete packages? |
| 00:05.43 | sittinduck | nevyn: i was using kernel 2.6 and nptl, i tried installing 2.4 thinking it could be a kernel problem, but i get an error when installing 2.4 smp |
| 00:06.05 | FrekoDing | ive problem with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 00:06.16 | FrekoDing | i select my locales fr_FR@euro |
| 00:06.26 | FrekoDing | nothing is changed ! |
| 00:06.30 | Dwonis | sciboy: the _real_ question everyone here wants answered, is did you do it without non-free drivers! |
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| 00:06.40 | sittinduck | freedom fries...what the fck was that?? |
| 00:06.46 | sciboy | Dwonis, Pfft, i want performance mate. =D |
| 00:07.00 | sciboy | Dwonis, So yeah i used non-free. |
| 00:07.00 | FrekoDing | but when i type locale command |
| 00:07.04 | Dwonis | sciboy: cripes, with that CPU, you could probably use software rendering! |
| 00:07.15 | FrekoDing | i'm always in UTF8 locale ! |
| 00:07.16 | FrekoDing | :s |
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| 00:07.20 | sciboy | Dwonis, I know i could, but i want to be able to render and work at the same time. |
| 00:07.23 | FrekoDing | what can i Do ?! |
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| 00:07.32 | _ericb | hi all |
| 00:07.37 | sciboy | Dwonis, So i'm better off having hardware handle the display. |
| 00:07.38 | Kano | hi, how can i check what packages are PROVIDED by an installed package |
| 00:07.56 | FrekoDing | i've just re installed an etch version for testing |
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| 00:08.05 | dvs | Kano: packages.debian.org |
| 00:08.10 | Dwonis | sciboy: heh, I suppose so :) |
| 00:08.13 | Kano | usually apt-cache show policy, or |
| 00:08.41 | sittinduck | anyone running 2.4 smp?? |
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| 00:08.53 | Dwonis | !tell sittinduck about anyone |
| 00:09.24 | sciboy | Dwonis, Later. |
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| 00:09.30 | sciboy | Dwonis, Got some work to get done. =P |
| 00:09.30 | Dwonis | sciboy: cheers :) |
| 00:09.34 | lunaphyte | is there a testing equivalent to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ ? |
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| 00:10.06 | sgeigerbot | Can someone comment on what I might be missing that keeps me from running "make menuconfig" successfully? scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c: At top level: |
| 00:10.09 | sgeigerbot | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:131: warning: array `attributes' assumed to have one element |
| 00:10.13 | sgeigerbot | make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 00:10.35 | Dwonis | sgeigerbot: That's not the error |
| 00:10.44 | Dwonis | sgeigerbot: That's just a warning |
| 00:11.08 | Dwonis | sgeigerbot: but in any case, I suspect you want to install libncurses5-dev |
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| 00:11.15 | sittinduck | Dwonis: hey, ain't you that guy running 2.4 smp? |
| 00:11.21 | vin` | lunaphyte: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
| 00:11.26 | Dwonis | sittinduck: correct, I ain't |
| 00:11.46 | thingfish | well so much for fish. it's going to be tacos. |
| 00:11.46 | lunaphyte | vin`: thanks |
| 00:12.08 | sittinduck | Dwonis: did you have the same problem i had? |
| 00:12.19 | sgeigerbot | Dwonis: ok, thanks for reminding me of that. |
| 00:12.24 | thingfish | I've heard of those, Dwonis, but never had them. |
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| 00:12.43 | Dwonis | sittinduck: I don't even know what the problem you had is. |
| 00:13.04 | Dwonis | thingfish: neither have I, but I suppose anything can be good if you add enough spices =) |
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| 00:13.07 | sgeigerbot | Dwonis: yep, that was it. thanks. |
| 00:13.16 | Dwonis | sgeigerbot: no problem |
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| 00:16.13 | sittinduck | Dwonis: i won't install the package, claiming that it can't load shared library libdl.so.2, but it is installed, it is at /lib/libdl.so.2 |
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| 00:16.25 | sittinduck | Dwonis: it* |
| 00:16.44 | lunaphyte | if i plan on using source from kernel.org to build a new kernel "the debian way", do i need the linux-source-2.6 package? |
| 00:16.44 | Dwonis | sittinduck: No, I'm not the one with that problem, though I _would_ like to know how to fix it. |
| 00:17.08 | sittinduck | Dwonis: thanks for the patience |
| 00:17.09 | vin` | lunaphyte: no. |
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| 00:17.15 | Dwonis | lunaphyte: no, you need kernel-package |
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| 00:17.46 | ftp3 | hey.. does anyone know how people get screenshots of the actual debian install? how could you load a screen capture program in the middle of installing the os? |
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| 00:18.09 | bureado | ftp3: qemu |
| 00:18.12 | stew | ftp3: it would be easy if you were installing into a vitual machine |
| 00:18.23 | Dwonis | ftp3: You can do it with qemu, vmware, or a digital camera |
| 00:18.27 | FrekoDing | you can use an emulator as qemu |
| 00:18.33 | CompWizrd | serial console installs work, don't they? |
| 00:18.37 | CompWizrd | (haven't tried) |
| 00:18.39 | stew | they do |
| 00:18.39 | sittinduck | there's qemu... |
| 00:18.53 | CompWizrd | so one could capture that way too |
| 00:19.15 | ftp3 | qemu.. ok, thank you, i will google that |
| 00:19.35 | CompWizrd | i'm still looking for a way to have vga-input on a computer :) |
| 00:19.40 | CompWizrd | but that would be another way |
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| 00:21.08 | sittinduck | google doesn't really like my questions... |
| 00:21.15 | cockroach | hrm, if i have a parallel port and the driver is loaded (and i can communicate with it using "outb" in a program), why could udev be refusing to create a corresponding device? |
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| 00:22.32 | ftp3 | is qemu better than vmware? |
| 00:22.47 | baroni | Hi all. I've upgraded my system, and now the fonts of the aplications in X is too much small. Does anybody have experienced with that? |
| 00:22.57 | cockroach | !better |
| 00:22.57 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 00:23.26 | bluesfx | does anyone here use Writely? ... plz msg me if you do, i'm looking for an invite.. thanks. |
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| 00:25.09 | SJr|nx | Can you use Firewire Storage in Linux 2.6? |
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| 00:25.31 | CompWizrd | sure |
| 00:25.33 | CompWizrd | works in 2.4 as well |
| 00:25.36 | LeGsYDebian | should I install new packages in stable ? |
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| 00:26.03 | LeGsYDebian | or should I use 'testing' for that |
| 00:26.09 | SJr|nx | CompWizrd is there a seperate module or package I nede? |
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| 00:26.47 | CompWizrd | sbp or something comes to mind.. i haven't used firewire in a long time |
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| 00:27.55 | SJr|nx | Ah found it |
| 00:27.56 | SJr|nx | thanks |
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| 00:29.19 | ftp3 | are their more places to get the debian img for qemu? the .torrent from freeoszoo is dead |
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| 00:30.34 | lunaphyte | how can i find out what package put kernel-source-2.6.8 in /usr/src ? |
| 00:30.50 | dvs | lunaphyte: it's obvious |
| 00:31.04 | dvs | lunaphyte: kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 00:32.25 | lunaphyte | dvs: i thought so too, but apt-cache reveals no packages that would match |
| 00:33.10 | lunaphyte | the closest i can find it linux-source-2.6.15 |
| 00:33.16 | lunaphyte | s/it/is/ |
| 00:33.20 | dvs | lunaphyte: etch? |
| 00:33.28 | lunaphyte | yes (testing) |
| 00:33.28 | smacnay | I am using testing and see that a few of the nvidia components are being held back. In aptitude, there is a "method" for updating these components (grabbing from unstable). Is it safer to just wait for the nvidia-glx stuff to be updated in "testing" (or whatever is holding up the update process)? |
| 00:33.38 | dvs | lunaphyte: 2.6.8 is no longer part of testing |
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| 00:36.50 | godmachine81 | smacnay: yes it is safter to wait.. the older drivers are working well.. |
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| 00:37.51 | ludama | hi |
| 00:38.12 | smacnay | godmachine81: yes, they do seem quite stable - seeing as I have a now-outdated card |
| 00:38.25 | relis | Whats the difference between sarge r1, ad r2?? |
| 00:38.49 | godmachine81 | the packages in r2 are newer / updated.. |
| 00:38.54 | ludama | i have some question about debian kernels and nvidia official driver |
| 00:38.57 | lunaphyte | did kernel-image-xxx ge it's name changed to linux-image-xxx ? |
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| 00:39.09 | relis | Where can I find r2? on the debian.org it only shows r1a |
| 00:39.18 | relis | for the netinst images |
| 00:39.23 | godmachine81 | lunaphyte: yes |
| 00:40.10 | relis | On the netinst images it only tried to DL http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:40.17 | relis | which is r1, who do i get r2? |
| 00:40.26 | relis | how* |
| 00:40.54 | lunaphyte | if i'm using kernel.org source with kernel-package, do i need/want the linux-patch-debian-2.6.15 package? |
| 00:41.02 | godmachine81 | just install from that image and then post install do sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:41.29 | relis | godmachine81: there isnt a net install disc for r2?? |
| 00:41.34 | godmachine81 | lunaphyte: what version of the kernel do you have? |
| 00:41.39 | ludama | did i need to uninstall nvidia official driver between install debian nvidia-kernel . i know that i cant have two differents nvidia release but if i install the same can i have problems ? |
| 00:41.46 | mavric2001 | yes there is, do a google search |
| 00:41.59 | arisv | well, I did an unstable installation, am trying to startx (Xorg 7.0 installed) but the monitor stuck with some colours, and that's it I have to reboot the machine, any ideas why? |
| 00:42.41 | relis | mavric2001: Is this official? because wouldnt it be on debian.org first? |
| 00:42.41 | mavric2001 | to get to r2 install r1 sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 00:42.41 | arisv | [the Xorg.0.log seems to be ok, although] |
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| 00:42.41 | godmachine81 | relis: i'm not sure about the net-install cd releases.. i havent done an install from scratch in a long time |
| 00:42.41 | lunaphyte | godmachine81: currently running on 2.6.15-1-686 - was planning on building from 2.6.16.9 |
| 00:42.41 | mavric2001 | all you need is upgrade on apt-get |
| 00:42.49 | godmachine81 | mavric2001: thats what i told him |
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| 00:43.02 | relis | I want a disc, because im installing it on 5pcs.. |
| 00:43.04 | relis | so yea |
| 00:43.16 | mavric2001 | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060419 |
| 00:43.22 | godmachine81 | the disc still just gets the packages from the net |
| 00:43.32 | godmachine81 | so the install disc is literally all you will need |
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| 00:43.48 | relis | nvmd, I got it here |
| 00:43.49 | relis | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:43.54 | relis | is that it? |
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| 00:44.01 | godmachine81 | yes |
| 00:44.05 | relis | ok, thx |
| 00:44.13 | mavric2001 | Please note that this update does not produce a new version of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 but only adds a few updated packages to it. There is no need to throw away 3.1 CDs but only to update against ftp.debian.org after an installation, in order to incorporate those late changes |
| 00:44.18 | ludama | what is the difference between nvidia-glx 1.0-8756-4 and nvidia-kernel-source 1.0-8756-4 |
| 00:44.33 | arisv | anyone? :) |
| 00:44.45 | godmachine81 | and then all you have to do mavric2001 is a dist-upgrade.. |
| 00:44.46 | thingsk | hi, i have a problem with debian stable, im installing the nvisia video card drivers and i get an error msg that i dont have the kernel source tree install , but i have it install, any idea how to solve it? |
| 00:44.54 | relis | I wonder if R2 has firefox 1.5... |
| 00:44.59 | relis | >.> |
| 00:44.59 | godmachine81 | relis: yes |
| 00:45.07 | mavric2001 | been there done that god |
| 00:45.30 | godmachine81 | net-install installs the latest packages from the mirrors in that release cycle |
| 00:45.31 | relis | why do peopel DL the full 14 discs..I dont get it, netinstal is so much faster O.O |
| 00:45.34 | godmachine81 | just keep that in mind |
| 00:45.43 | dvs | relis: They only have dial up |
| 00:45.52 | relis | you just install base, then apt-get x-window-system-core kde |
| 00:45.53 | relis | 701mb |
| 00:45.59 | godmachine81 | relis: i have no idea why anyone would want that many coasters lying around... |
| 00:46.00 | thingsk | any one can help me? |
| 00:46.10 | relis | godmachine81: haha |
| 00:46.14 | dvs | godmachine81: drink a lot? |
| 00:46.17 | godmachine81 | lol |
| 00:46.25 | relis | Not 14 at a time O.o |
| 00:46.40 | godmachine81 | if they were mini-cds they would be better.. standard cds are too big for coasters lol |
| 00:46.56 | relis | I used an aol CD that came in the mail for a coaster.. |
| 00:47.11 | relis | Then I installed windows and used it |
| 00:47.14 | godmachine81 | they are unattractive..... the mini-cds that come from computer shows are kind of interesting to show off.. burnt cds are just..umm bulky and unattractive |
| 00:47.14 | relis | hahah |
| 00:47.32 | mavric2001 | yawn |
| 00:47.59 | godmachine81 | ZoFreX: how old are you? i have an old 386 that still runs half way decent |
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| 00:48.05 | zinx | i have some mini-cd coasters (outdated rescue/etc cds) |
| 00:48.06 | godmachine81 | for what it is ..... |
| 00:48.54 | relis | I got a 3ghz processor Pentium 4, should I use i386 images? |
| 00:49.01 | zinx | relis: yes |
| 00:49.02 | dvs | relis: 686 |
| 00:49.12 | relis | [DIR] alpha/ 20-Apr-2006 14:10 - |
| 00:49.13 | relis | [DIR] arm/ 20-Apr-2006 14:10 - |
| 00:49.13 | relis | [DIR] hppa/ 20-Apr-2006 14:10 - |
| 00:49.13 | relis | [DIR] i386/ |
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| 00:49.15 | zinx | dvs: there are no "686" images, only 686 packages |
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| 00:49.19 | relis | thats all there is |
| 00:49.23 | godmachine81 | 686 images for the kernel |
| 00:49.29 | relis | oh |
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| 00:49.34 | dvs | zinx: Oh. The cdrom images. sorry |
| 00:49.44 | ZoFreX | godmachine81, I'm 19 - I'm installing on some AT machine.. 180mhz |
| 00:49.48 | dvs | relis: zinx is right. 386 |
| 00:49.54 | ZoFreX | network card for it arrived today ^_^ |
| 00:50.01 | zinx | relis: once you get it installed, install libc6-686 and a -686 kernel image, but that's all in the i386 distro, so install that first :D |
| 00:50.07 | godmachine81 | 180 isnt too bad.. |
| 00:50.16 | ZoFreX | yeah, and it's beed upgraded to 48mb RAM |
| 00:50.21 | relis | whats the difference between the 686, 386 kernels? |
| 00:50.26 | ZoFreX | and the motherboard is a really good one, everything integrated and such |
| 00:50.36 | godmachine81 | 686 is optimized for the p2 / p3 p4 processors |
| 00:50.36 | dvs | relis: 686 has 686 specific code |
| 00:50.42 | thingsk | ?? |
| 00:50.56 | relis | and why do my screensavers lag so much..damn |
| 00:51.27 | godmachine81 | there are 686 images...... if your talking about kernel images..... there are no 686 images as in ISO cd images.. not for debian anyway |
| 00:51.28 | jokin | hi, there |
| 00:51.45 | relis | can I upgrade to 686 later on in time? |
| 00:51.47 | jokin | anyone has knowledge about gnupg... |
| 00:51.50 | zinx | godmachine81: he's talking about CD images |
| 00:51.55 | relis | like, even after all my proggies are installed |
| 00:52.09 | godmachine81 | relis: most packages are 386 |
| 00:52.15 | zinx | relis: there is no 686 distribution - only 686 packages in the i386 distribution |
| 00:52.15 | godmachine81 | very few packages are 686 |
| 00:52.35 | zinx | relis: use the i386 CD images, and the -686 packages in it -- you can install those at any time |
| 00:53.00 | godmachine81 | there are no limitations on anything you can update really |
| 00:53.31 | godmachine81 | especially things like package versions.... apt does a good job at taking care of that for you |
| 00:55.38 | thingfish | SimonRaven: how are things going? quieted down any? |
| 00:55.48 | SimonRaven | except for sleep, i've been posting updates to my blog all day |
| 00:55.55 | SimonRaven | slightly |
| 00:56.05 | SimonRaven | though the rcmp have been called |
| 00:56.17 | liable_ | rmcp? |
| 00:56.26 | dvs | liable: mounties |
| 00:56.37 | SimonRaven | royal canadian mounted police |
| 00:56.44 | lunaphyte | what is BSD Process Accounting? |
| 00:56.49 | liable_ | huh? trouble a brewin? |
| 00:56.52 | SimonRaven | equivalent of fbi |
| 00:57.08 | thingfish | to hell with those thugs |
| 00:57.21 | godmachine81 | mounted.....lol....... that just sounds funny.... sounds like they have a big cock in their arse.... which im sure most of em do |
| 00:57.28 | thingfish | all people want to do is live in peace, and the gov't has to stomp on them. |
| 00:57.56 | thingfish | like canada can't spare some land. |
| 00:57.57 | godmachine81 | surely canada isnt getting as bad as amerika |
| 00:57.58 | dvs | godmachine81: why do you think they have horses for? ;-) |
| 00:58.06 | SimonRaven | thingfish: sure, so they can continue the colonialism |
| 00:58.08 | bbrazil | lunaphyte: apt-cache show pacct |
| 00:58.09 | thingfish | oh no, godmachine81, let's hope not. |
| 00:58.19 | bbrazil | lunaphyte: *acct |
| 00:58.29 | godmachine81 | dvs: they probably just want to look "royal" |
| 00:58.36 | SimonRaven | godmachine81: too late. in some ways it's worse |
| 00:58.46 | thingfish | SimonRaven: man some worldviews are just poison, aren't they? |
| 00:58.57 | jokin | Message in a bottle: I generated both private & public GPG keys, but the encrypted mails my buddy sends me are impossible to decrypt. It says something like "no private key". I got it, thu. Any hint? |
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| 00:59.38 | minerale | Hi, I have debian stable w/ 2.6 kernel installed (someone here suggested it to me, I think it was called custom-something) Well, I added gnome and gnome-terminal from the backports, then something about the kernel came up... now I can't boot at all, it stalls while loading the "root file system" |
| 01:00.02 | dvs | jokin: your buddy has to encrypt messages using your public key |
| 01:00.09 | SimonRaven | thingfish: yes, they are. |
| 01:00.14 | godmachine81 | minerale: do you have your other kernel image still installed? |
| 01:00.14 | unstable | minerale: Is this a desktop or a production server? |
| 01:00.21 | minerale | unstable: desktop |
| 01:00.22 | jokin | that's what he claims he does ! |
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| 01:01.25 | jokin | dvs: sorry about my poor english, I'm french... |
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| 01:01.36 | dvs | jokin: pas de problem |
| 01:02.07 | jokin | dvs: almost perfet (woulda been 'pas de problème'). |
| 01:02.13 | jokin | dvs ;-) |
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| 01:02.22 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I have a 486 DX2-66mhz with 32mb of RAM, and 2 hdd of 340mb each one. What version of debian can I install? |
| 01:02.30 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: http://simonraven.nuit.ca/ is ridiculously slow today |
| 01:02.33 | dvs | jokin: I'm a bit rusty ;-) |
| 01:02.39 | SimonRaven | sarge |
| 01:02.51 | thingfish | SimonRaven: I suppose the feds are there because you guys have WMD and are operating a clandesting heroin smuggling operation. |
| 01:02.54 | SonnyBurnett | SimonRaven, are u sure? |
| 01:02.58 | jokin | dvs: you learned french in school? |
| 01:03.02 | thingfish | *clandestine |
| 01:03.07 | dvs | jokin: Yup, for 9 years |
| 01:03.15 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: right now, yeh, i'm doing package updates. and it got a slow down earlier today. got that cleared up |
| 01:03.16 | godmachine81 | SonnyBurnett: yes you can install sarge just cant install too much |
| 01:03.32 | SimonRaven | thingfish: hehehe |
| 01:03.35 | debian | SonnyBurnett: I installed 'slink' in that thing. :) |
| 01:04.03 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: i would've said as much if i wasn't sure :) |
| 01:04.08 | SonnyBurnett | godmachine81, is there any diskettes set? because it doesnt have a cd-rom drive |
| 01:04.10 | jokin | Wooahh! 9 years. You have to talk with me. I'd refresh your french neurons! |
| 01:04.20 | lunaphyte | do i need 3 i/o schedulers? |
| 01:04.30 | godmachine81 | SonnyBurnett: you will probably have to make boot images |
| 01:04.34 | Stevie-O | lunaphyte: you want at least five |
| 01:04.37 | SimonRaven | there we go |
| 01:04.38 | dvs | jokin: That's about 20 years ago |
| 01:04.49 | lunaphyte | haha |
| 01:05.05 | lunaphyte | where should i get the other two? |
| 01:05.11 | SonnyBurnett | godmachine81, what do you mean? |
| 01:05.23 | liable_ | !sarge floppies |
| 01:05.24 | dpkg | somebody said sarge floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 01:05.28 | godmachine81 | you will need to make floppy boot images |
| 01:05.32 | jokin | dvs: come on... Je suis sûr que tu comprends ce que je dis. |
| 01:05.44 | godmachine81 | there ya go |
| 01:05.48 | dvs | jokin: I don't understand what you just said. ;-) |
| 01:06.03 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: if you like you could fetch the feeds, they're static, generated from dynmaic content |
| 01:06.04 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: ah yeah, I used to have problems like that, until I set up some basic bandwidth management: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html |
| 01:06.05 | jokin | nice joke! |
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| 01:06.18 | SimonRaven | dynamic* |
| 01:06.43 | minerale | Ok, if I understand correctly, there are "three" distributions being worked on at the same time, sarge (stable), etch (unstable? testing?), and, eh, something else... that does not include security patches |
| 01:07.09 | godmachine81 | unstable and testing arent the same |
| 01:07.21 | thingfish | SimonRaven: I can't believe they're pulling out guns. |
| 01:07.22 | godmachine81 | testing is etch |
| 01:07.26 | jokin | dvs: What time is it, in the US of A? |
| 01:07.28 | Azar | Debian developers, anything about smart? |
| 01:07.28 | godmachine81 | unstable is what is going to be etch |
| 01:07.36 | godmachine81 | sarge is the "stable" release.... and that is just that |
| 01:07.37 | minerale | and ... testing is the "latest" ? |
| 01:07.38 | dvs | jokin: for me it's 21:07 |
| 01:07.46 | dvs | Thursday |
| 01:07.51 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: oh this is just cpu usage. the drive is a 7200 rpm, scsi2 or 3 bus. and the cpu is just a puny little g3/300. i need more juice ;) |
| 01:07.51 | godmachine81 | no unstable is the latest |
| 01:07.54 | lunaphyte | i thought testing was etch? |
| 01:07.55 | jokin | ooops: 3:07am here |
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| 01:08.03 | godmachine81 | testing is etch |
| 01:08.10 | SimonRaven | thingfish: belive it. they did it, and thewy're going to do it again |
| 01:08.24 | Azar | SMP Smart Package Manager |
| 01:08.29 | Dunedan | Does anybody know how the standard module path for Xorg 7.0 is? I can only find the one for 6.9. |
| 01:08.38 | SonnyBurnett | godmachine81, liable : so I will need 4 floppies, how much space do I need to install sarge with the minimun requirements? |
| 01:08.53 | SimonRaven | !smp |
| 01:08.54 | dpkg | it has been said that smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
| 01:08.57 | godmachine81 | im not sure right off |
| 01:09.11 | Azar | SimonRaven: my bad, typo : SPM |
| 01:09.25 | SimonRaven | oh i see :) |
| 01:09.25 | jokin | dvs: what are you into? i mean about debian? developing? |
| 01:09.40 | dvs | jokin: Just using. I do enough developing at work. |
| 01:09.41 | thingfish | SimonRaven: that's like something we down south would do. how sickening. why in the hell does anyone have a positive view of western european culture. |
| 01:09.55 | Azar | SimonRaven: any change it gonna be adopted by Debian community? |
| 01:10.09 | jokin | dvs: using what? |
| 01:10.13 | lunaphyte | what is HPET Timer Support? |
| 01:10.21 | SimonRaven | Azar: *shrug* |
| 01:10.29 | jokin | dvs: i mean at home. |
| 01:10.30 | dvs | jokin: Solaris 9, C++, RogueWave |
| 01:10.42 | dvs | jokin: My hardware? |
| 01:10.43 | Azar | so smart is not Debian's pet, is made by some others.. |
| 01:11.28 | jokin | nah... you know... leisure time. (i was working on solaris 8 last year) |
| 01:11.43 | SimonRaven | thingfish: it's rather complicated... |
| 01:11.52 | lunaphyte | where can i read in more detail what all of the various options in make menuconfig for a kernel rebuild mean? |
| 01:12.36 | godmachine81 | lunaphyte: may i ask what the specific reason you are recompiling your kernel is? |
| 01:12.58 | dvs | jokin: Besides being in here? My lawn, the bar, play pool. |
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| 01:13.21 | Azar | SimonRaven: anyways, the read is enlightening: http://zorked.net/smart/doc/README.html#overview |
| 01:13.28 | lunaphyte | godmachine81: the specific reason is to make a pci ide card load later, but i'd also like to learn, |
| 01:13.42 | jokin | dvs: i meant: leisure time messing around with your debianbox! |
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| 01:13.57 | HelmutG | Hi. I think my aptitude is broken: "libselinux1 will be upgraded from version 1.30-1 to version 1.30-1." Is this a common error or may it be because of corrupted statefiles? |
| 01:14.06 | godmachine81 | lunaphyte: that is a good reason, just be careful |
| 01:14.12 | Azar | in any case I am not intending to get it with any price: I will stay with Debian even if it does not adopt it |
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| 01:14.26 | lunaphyte | godmachine81: hence the question :) |
| 01:14.27 | SonnyBurnett | liable: I just need to copy this 4 .img files on disquetes? or I have to unpack them (by some way) into the floppies? |
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| 01:14.52 | dvs | jokin: Oh. Just being in here. Compile the latest kernel. Sometimes I create a pet project like apache, php, courier, etc |
| 01:14.59 | Azar | SimonRaven: I did not notiece you were gone, did you read by chance about smart? http://zorked.net/smart/doc/README.html#overview |
| 01:15.13 | SimonRaven | thingfish: yet, "thta kind of thing" is what happened in 1990, 1995, 1996, and way before that too. did you know that apartheid took the indian act and the rez system as a model? |
| 01:15.19 | SimonRaven | no i haven't |
| 01:15.31 | HelmutG | Ok. aptitude uses a plain format, so this can be easily fixed in /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates. thanks |
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| 01:15.39 | lunaphyte | if i have only 2gb of ram, can i turn off highmem support completely? |
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| 01:16.06 | lunaphyte | hmm.. looks like not |
| 01:16.11 | jokin | dvd: i got a little warning with apache2 everytime it starts... would you help me? |
| 01:16.18 | dvs | lunaphyte: you'll waste half your RAM |
| 01:16.21 | ni_ | lunaphyte, only if you want to be able to access only 800+M of it |
| 01:16.27 | lunaphyte | thanks |
| 01:16.34 | voxvirus | bye all |
| 01:16.34 | jokin | dvs: i got a little warning with apache2 everytime it starts... would you help me? |
| 01:16.36 | liable_ | SonnyBurnett: you need to use dd or whatever the windows equiv is to write them to floppy. its in the install guide |
| 01:16.42 | thingfish | SimonRaven: no I didn't know that. and as for the other, yes, it's just a continuation of what has happened since europeans first set foot on this continent. |
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| 01:16.52 | dvs | jokin: I'm no expert but I can try. |
| 01:17.06 | SimonRaven | thingfish: eyup |
| 01:17.20 | jokin | dvs: wait a minute, i check the logfile... |
| 01:17.55 | godmachine81 | that smart seems like it will be pretty good |
| 01:18.22 | thingfish | I don't blame you at all, SimonRaven. |
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| 01:18.56 | thingfish | SimonRaven: and what's the deal too - these same people claim to know all about a god who loves people. |
| 01:18.59 | jokin | dvs: [warn] NameVirtualHost *************** has no VirtualHosts |
| 01:19.00 | dmarkey | does anyoe know a service i can install that would pick up on a clients hostname rather than having to type in thier ip address? |
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| 01:19.20 | hi994 | http://movies.easy-dater.com/galleries/01/278/index.html http://www.worldsex.com/ http://jizz.juggcrew.com/198/?t=3&nats=MjQ3OjY6MTQ |
| 01:19.20 | thingfish | he was banned earlier. |
| 01:19.25 | liable_ | !ops hi994 |
| 01:19.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: hi994 |
| 01:19.31 | BearPerson | he is banned now. |
| 01:19.31 | liable_ | fucker |
| 01:19.31 | SimonRaven | ffs |
| 01:19.43 | wireddd | looks like the ircops got him |
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| 01:19.53 | mentor | klined |
| 01:19.54 | thingfish | that's indicative of poor upbringing. |
| 01:19.55 | dvs | too late |
| 01:20.02 | SimonRaven | w00t k-lined :). thanks |
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| 01:20.14 | mentor | dmarkey: er? |
| 01:20.18 | jokin | dvs: you got the warning line? |
| 01:20.19 | dvs | jokin: I have no idea what "******************" could be |
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| 01:20.41 | jokin | i just hid my hostname.domain.name... ;-) |
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| 01:21.03 | thingfish | oh wow, look at the pretty colors |
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| 01:21.27 | mentor | sorry guys |
| 01:21.37 | dvs | mentor: Try |
| 01:21.38 | thingfish | give 'em hell, mentor! |
| 01:21.44 | dvs | mentor: Try harder!!!! ;-) |
| 01:21.52 | SimonRaven | looks like someone needs to be spanked or stuck in a corner or something |
| 01:22.04 | SimonRaven | thank you. that +R will help |
| 01:22.09 | godmachine81 | kids these days |
| 01:22.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b hello*!*@*] by mentor |
| 01:22.18 | *** mode/#debian [-R] by mentor |
| 01:22.28 | Dwonis | what does -R do? |
| 01:22.29 | godmachine81 | if they are going to try to take over a channel why dont they do it some other way.. |
| 01:22.31 | thingfish | SimonRaven: it's all the artificial additives in breakfast cereals. |
| 01:22.37 | godmachine81 | doesnt anyone go the old school ways anymore? |
| 01:22.37 | dmarkey | for example, theres another computer called P4 on my network, but i cannot just enter "ping p4" i have to enter thier IP address, why cant it pick up on the hostname? |
| 01:22.38 | godmachine81 | lol |
| 01:22.43 | mentor | Dwonis: R is a chanmode that only allows thpse identified to NickServ to speak |
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| 01:22.58 | Dwonis | mentor, ah, cool. thanks |
| 01:23.04 | blondie | dmarkey: the name isn't in dns/your dns is broken |
| 01:23.04 | mentor | dmarkey: What calls it p4? |
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| 01:23.13 | jokin | dmarkey: check your /etc/hosts or your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:23.14 | mentor | dmarkey: what name service? |
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| 01:23.56 | dmarkey | its just the computer name $HOSTNAME |
| 01:23.59 | biffiford | hi ho |
| 01:24.14 | blondie | dmarkey: probably it's not in DNS |
| 01:24.17 | lunaphyte | if this machine is a server, and i have no interest in saving battery life/other power management, can i safely turn off all of this acpi stuff in the kernel? |
| 01:24.22 | SimonRaven | thingfish: looks like the greed wins over the love and tolerance. often i think they're insane, or were born with no conscience. |
| 01:24.31 | mentor | dmarkey: It runs Linux? You either need to set up a DNS server or... |
| 01:24.37 | mentor | dmarkey: you need to set up a DNS server :) |
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| 01:24.53 | mentor | dmarkey: DNS can do dynamic updates too |
| 01:24.56 | Dwonis | lunaphyte: what for? |
| 01:24.57 | godmachine81 | i'd say you just need to add the host ip to the /etc/host /etc/resolv.conf like someone else stated |
| 01:25.19 | mentor | godmachine81: Yes...but then you have to distribute the hosts file around the network. |
| 01:25.26 | lunaphyte | Dwonis: just to be anal |
| 01:25.28 | mentor | godmachine81: or you could do it right and set up DNS. |
| 01:25.33 | jokin | dmarkey: edit /etc/hosts and add this line "[P4_IP_address] P4 P4.your_domain_name" |
| 01:25.34 | dmarkey | is there no thing where a peer can broadcast its hostname and then all the other peers updates /etc/host accoringly? |
| 01:25.46 | mentor | lunaphyte: No, some servers actively need ACPI too :) |
| 01:25.49 | godmachine81 | i wouldnt do DNS server for 5 machines |
| 01:26.01 | lunaphyte | ok |
| 01:26.11 | mentor | godmachine81: You're not lazy enough |
| 01:26.13 | Dwonis | lunaphyte: I agree with mentor, mainly because of the C in ACPI |
| 01:26.21 | mentor | Dwonis: yup :) |
| 01:26.22 | godmachine81 | lol i dont know im pretty damn lazy mentor |
| 01:26.41 | mentor | godmachine81: Nah, you're not lazy enough that you'll set up DNS now so you never have to do it again. |
| 01:26.43 | godmachine81 | im just particular about running daemons.. i like to keep em at a minimum |
| 01:26.50 | jokin | dmarkey: this is called DNS |
| 01:27.04 | Dwonis | godmachine81: there's also mdns, which broadcasts on the local LAN segment |
| 01:27.07 | thingfish | SimonRaven: I don't know what it is. It's not like every people on earth has this imperialistic, killer drive that white europeans have shown when they/we come into contact with others. |
| 01:27.09 | mentor | jokin: well, no. |
| 01:27.15 | SimonRaven | putting up a dns server for a lan is damned lazy. |
| 01:27.17 | dmarkey | no, i know what DNS is, its alot more lightwieght |
| 01:27.20 | mentor | dmarkey: Nothing updates hosts automatically. |
| 01:27.24 | thingfish | I've wondered if it's some genetic defect or somethign. |
| 01:27.24 | SimonRaven | my kind of lazy :) |
| 01:27.31 | mentor | dmarkey: There are several other types of name service that you can set up though |
| 01:27.40 | mentor | dmarkey: A small DNS server isn't hard |
| 01:27.51 | dmarkey | i know windows machines are aware of each other hostnames without DNS |
| 01:27.56 | jokin | mentor: why no? |
| 01:28.07 | mentor | dmarkey: Yes, they use WINS name service. |
| 01:28.07 | godmachine81 | the laziest way for 5 machines is add the hostname/ip combos to the hosts and resolv.conf files in my opinion |
| 01:28.15 | SimonRaven | thingfish: nah, it's in other people too. euros have been the grossest aout it the last 500 years. |
| 01:28.20 | SimonRaven | mentor: gee, thanks :) |
| 01:28.27 | mentor | jokin: DNS doesn't multicast/broadcast names and update hosts. |
| 01:28.30 | cockroach | if i have a parallel port and the driver is loaded (and i can communicate with it using "outb" in a program), why could udev be refusing to create a corresponding device? and what can I do about it? |
| 01:28.41 | dmarkey | mm.. winds.. is that hard to set up? |
| 01:28.45 | dmarkey | wins* |
| 01:28.53 | mentor | godmachine81: Nah, because then if you change anything, you have to update it in five places. |
| 01:28.57 | CompWizrd | dmarkey: that's a windows thing |
| 01:29.01 | SimonRaven | you need samba... not worth it |
| 01:29.02 | mentor | dmarkey: As hard as a DNS server, yes. |
| 01:29.11 | mentor | dmarkey: Actually, probably harder. |
| 01:29.17 | godmachine81 | lol if you change the hostname / ip... i wouldnt change them though |
| 01:29.18 | dmarkey | but i dont have a server on the network to act as DNS |
| 01:29.19 | mentor | BEcause you have to set up each client more too. |
| 01:29.39 | mentor | godmachine81: Ah...so you have a loss of functionality |
| 01:29.40 | thingfish | SimonRaven: it's a violent history no matter how you look at it...no one's really guiltless in that respect, I suppose. |
| 01:29.47 | mentor | godmachine81: That's not lazy, that's negligent :P |
| 01:30.00 | thingfish | I mean, anyone that hates his fellow man is a murderer. |
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| 01:30.23 | godmachine81 | i dont really see a point in changing LAN IP schemes if your using static IP addresses |
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| 01:30.32 | godmachine81 | nor the hostnames.. |
| 01:30.35 | SimonRaven | thingfish: oh for sure. imperialism goes way back. |
| 01:30.40 | Dwonis | jokin, mentor: avahi-daemon (previously mdns-responder, I think) and libnss-mdns can be used to broadcast your hostname on the local segment |
| 01:30.48 | insidius | How do i tar something? I got told: tar -cjvf example.tar.bz2 example/ |
| 01:31.07 | mentor | Otherwise known as zeroconf, bonjour, rendevous... |
| 01:31.17 | mentor | Dwonis: Yeah...I'm not convinced yet though. |
| 01:31.18 | SimonRaven | yes, but you can leave off the v it's not necessary to functioning |
| 01:31.25 | SimonRaven | insidius: ^^ |
| 01:31.32 | SimonRaven | !tar |
| 01:31.33 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 01:31.40 | godmachine81 | the v just makes the output in verbose..... |
| 01:31.41 | Dwonis | mentor: disclaimer, I haven't used avahi itself, though I did use mdns-responder with CUPS some time ago |
| 01:31.59 | dmarkey | is samba based on wins? |
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| 01:32.04 | mentor | godmachine81: You're definitely not the right kind of lazy. not enough forethought |
| 01:32.05 | bhony | check out the silent room.. --> |
| 01:32.08 | thingfish | SimonRaven: oh for sure. people think my nation was built on the quest for freedom. it was not; it was built on the quest to make money. |
| 01:32.09 | mentor | dmarkey: No |
| 01:32.11 | insidius | I keep getting a tar: invalid option --j but on another system it worked fine |
| 01:32.20 | SimonRaven | dmarkey: no. |
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| 01:32.33 | thingfish | and to make money = to exploit |
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| 01:32.42 | mentor | dmarkey: Samba is an imlementation of various Windows things, like NetBIOS, WINS, SMB, CIFS (Common?!?) |
| 01:32.44 | SimonRaven | insidius: j is to interact with bzip2 |
| 01:32.46 | thingfish | yikes I'd better stop. |
| 01:32.57 | insidius | So it can be left out simonraven? |
| 01:33.03 | SimonRaven | thingfish: same for canaduh |
| 01:33.08 | Dwonis | insidius: I think it's a GNU tar (or even Debian tar) extension. "j" used to be "I" in GNU tar, but if you prefer, you can use "tar c directory | bzip2 -c > foo.tar.gz" |
| 01:33.24 | mentor | oh yeah, I was going to comment. |
| 01:33.27 | SimonRaven | insidius: read the tar factoid (/msg dpkg tar) |
| 01:33.42 | insidius | Sorry for being annoying, i just dont want to screw it up. What works on one system is completety diff on another |
| 01:33.48 | SimonRaven | er, s,gz,bz2, |
| 01:33.54 | mentor | insidius: You can always run a small test... |
| 01:34.05 | mentor | insidius: In fact...you probably should test |
| 01:34.25 | dmarkey | so the easiest way for my situation is a dns server? |
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| 01:34.44 | mentor | dmarkey: That seems to be the consensus |
| 01:34.49 | mentor | dmarkey: Are you using DHCP? |
| 01:34.52 | bhony | i'd like one of those.. |
| 01:34.55 | dmarkey | yes |
| 01:35.01 | godmachine81 | mentor: i do forthink things.. just a home network isnt so needable of the things you would need to run a 500 machine network for a mid size company ;) |
| 01:35.07 | mentor | godmachine81: What happens when you have guest machines/laptops coming onto your network? |
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| 01:35.28 | insidius | Thanks simonraven,dwonis,mentor for the help! |
| 01:35.35 | SimonRaven | np |
| 01:35.41 | bhony | 500 machine.. garsh.. |
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| 01:35.50 | godmachine81 | in a home network how often do you NEED to use the hostname instead of the IP on the other local machines for those guests/laptops?? |
| 01:36.13 | godmachine81 | in my case i dont have many guests / laptops entering my network.. if they did oh well.. it wouldnt affect the rest of my network any.. |
| 01:36.17 | dmarkey | its alot handier while using dhcp |
| 01:36.19 | biffiford | so is debian testing undergoing some sort of shift or something? |
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| 01:36.36 | mentor | besides I run a six machine network that I wouldn't want to run without all the helpful things that make it easier to administer :) |
| 01:36.44 | matju | anyone knows how to unpack *.sitx files on Linux? |
| 01:36.54 | mentor | dmarkey: You can have the dhcp server update DNS automatically too. |
| 01:37.23 | unstable | Can I install php4 and php5 at the same time, and they won't conflict with each other? |
| 01:37.24 | godmachine81 | like you said thats not the lazy way to do it ;) |
| 01:37.27 | dmarkey | the dhcp server is on a windows machine(internet connection sharing) |
| 01:37.37 | biffiford | matju: run a Mac emulator? ;) seriously, interestng question |
| 01:37.37 | unstable | mentor: any idea? |
| 01:37.41 | godmachine81 | if you have 6 machines your making a job out of your home network instead of leisure |
| 01:37.42 | mentor | godmachine81: I assure you it is. |
| 01:37.57 | mentor | godmachine81: And by lazy I do not mean negligent. I get the same amount done in less time. |
| 01:38.14 | godmachine81 | and what all do you do |
| 01:38.23 | godmachine81 | must be a lot more than normal home computing |
| 01:38.37 | unstable | Can I install php4 and php5 at the same time, and they won't conflict with each other?(on a debian sarge box) |
| 01:38.42 | unstable | er, woops |
| 01:38.45 | matju | biffiford: i get sent a .sit or .sitx file once in a while... when it's not AppleDouble or BinHex |
| 01:38.53 | mentor | Not much more than normal SOHO stuff. |
| 01:39.53 | biffiford | matju: Since Aladdin Systems controls the source code for StuffIt, your only choice when you receive an .sit file is to use the Aladdin Expander for Linux |
| 01:40.09 | lunaphyte | how come i can't turn off 802.11 support in the kernel? |
| 01:40.15 | biffiford | debian wiki. awesome |
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| 01:40.35 | blaze | Hey all |
| 01:40.46 | Wpg_Guardian | Hi there. |
| 01:40.49 | SimonRaven | godmachine81: i use the hostname every time i connect to something on the LAN |
| 01:40.51 | blaze | Whats up? |
| 01:40.52 | debian | mentor: You'd like to be notified that there's still a little '@' flying above your head. :) |
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| 01:41.01 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: Looking for some assistance... <sigh>. |
| 01:41.09 | blaze | whats wrong? |
| 01:41.18 | mentor | debian: I was going to stick around for half an hour, thanks :) |
| 01:41.26 | TheBest | i try apt-get install sendmail |
| 01:41.35 | TheBest | but i get E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 01:41.36 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: Been through this once already.. upgrading to new kernel, but having problems with the HD. |
| 01:41.50 | blaze | Thats the worst |
| 01:41.51 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: It's a sata drive, and I'm not sure if the new kernel has support for sata drives... |
| 01:42.01 | blaze | It does |
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| 01:42.22 | blaze | How are you upgrading? |
| 01:42.40 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: Well, I'm going from 2.4.18-1-k7 to 2.6.8-3-k7. |
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| 01:42.50 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: Trying to use dselect... |
| 01:43.00 | blaze | what error do you get? |
| 01:43.05 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: but I freaked when it gave me the error message about the viamraid module I had loaded. |
| 01:43.29 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: When it was trying to set it up, like I said, it gave me an error about the viamraid module. |
| 01:43.38 | blaze | after executing what commend? |
| 01:43.44 | blaze | and what is the exact error? |
| 01:43.49 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: So I freaked and did an uninstall of it before it could do anything with lilo. |
| 01:44.15 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: It said that there was an error with the viamraid module which may make the system unbootable... |
| 01:44.33 | TheBest | please ckk my error http://pastebin.com/672503 |
| 01:44.33 | Dwonis | debian: mentor needs the ego boost every now-and-then |
| 01:44.37 | ACU | Greetings from Heaven --- Question: Sarge 3.1 R2 was just released - why all the images have their name r1 ? - and latest update December -- I am confused |
| 01:44.41 | mentor | quite |
| 01:44.54 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: now I'm left with dangling pointers for the /initrd.image and everything else. |
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| 01:45.12 | blaze | hrmm thats odd, |
| 01:45.13 | Wpg_Guardian | I just don't want to reboot the machine before I know that it's *safe*. |
| 01:45.18 | blaze | Ive never herd of that before. |
| 01:45.30 | blaze | You are sure you compiled the right drivers? |
| 01:45.40 | Gumby | lo all. I am trying to recompile a kernel module and then overwrite the current module with it but when I do and try to load the module I get "unknown symbol" errors. I currently have the following installed for my kernel, source, and headers..... linux-image-2.6.16-1-k7, linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7, linux-headers-2.6.16-1, linux-source-2.6.16. I am compiling the module from the kernel source by doing make oldconfig && make modules then I am just copy |
| 01:45.40 | Gumby | ing the new module into the existing /lib/modules/'uname -r'/.... |
| 01:45.51 | Gumby | whoops, I guess that was a bit long |
| 01:45.59 | quilon | Can I ask packaging questions here ? |
| 01:46.32 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: I used the stock kernel image.. didn't compile anything except for maybe the viamraid module, but that was the old version. |
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| 01:47.23 | Dwonis | TheBest: It would be helpful if you could run "export LC_ALL=C" before executing apt-get. Either that, or ask in #debian.de |
| 01:47.31 | quilon | I am getting this error while attempting to build a package: error: cannot find binary, udeb or source package *.changes in dist or lab (skipping) does anyone know what that means ? |
| 01:47.35 | Dwonis | TheBest: Have you tried "apt-get -f install" ? |
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| 01:48.00 | blaze | Wpg_GuardianI don't know what to tell you |
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| 01:48.54 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: I should've let it do its thing... but you're sure that the stock version of the kernel has support to be able to boot off a sata raid drive? |
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| 01:49.27 | Dwonis | Gumby: You generally can't do that. |
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| 01:49.37 | blaze | You never said raid. |
| 01:49.51 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: viamraid. |
| 01:49.52 | Gumby | Dwonis: why not? Ive done it quite a few times before? |
| 01:49.57 | Dwonis | Gumby: If you build the kernel with a different configuration, you probably have to _boot_ the new kernel to use the new modules. |
| 01:50.02 | TheBest | Dwonis apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker |
| 01:50.10 | blaze | well if you compiled the driver for it you shouldn't have a problem |
| 01:50.20 | Dwonis | TheBest, yes, I saw that |
| 01:50.26 | blaze | and I have no doubts that it *should* work. |
| 01:50.42 | Dwonis | Gumby: "It worked before" doesn't mean it'll always work. |
| 01:50.45 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: Would it matter going from one kernel to another? |
| 01:50.51 | Gumby | Dwonis: its the same kernel source as the debian kernel. And its build with the same options |
| 01:50.54 | matju | biffiford: there's an Aladdin Expander for Linux ? |
| 01:50.54 | blaze | no |
| 01:51.15 | Gumby | Dwonis: is the debian kernel not build from the same "kernel-source" version? |
| 01:51.19 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: So it's compiled for the specific architecture, not the kernel. |
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| 01:51.33 | ACU | Any answer why DEBIAN SARGE 3.1 R2 (release 2) iso files still show 3.1 R1 in the name (and last modification December) |
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| 01:51.55 | Dwonis | Gumby: well, you could try "depmod -a", but generally compiled kernel modules are tagged to _prevent_ you from doing what you're trying to do, precisely because it's error-prone and probably a bad idea |
| 01:52.26 | minerale | is 'backports' based on unstable or testing? |
| 01:52.36 | Dwonis | minerale: stable, usually |
| 01:52.54 | Dwonis | minerale: or, nevermind |
| 01:53.00 | SimonRaven | minerale: it's built to run stable. fetches stuff from either |
| 01:53.02 | SimonRaven | to run on stable* |
| 01:53.24 | minerale | so, backports does not run on etch/ |
| 01:53.31 | minerale | s/run/work |
| 01:53.35 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: I'm trying to understand the structure of how this is working... |
| 01:53.47 | Dwonis | minerale: It's whatever version the maintainer made work. And no, I wouldn't run it on etch (though perhaps you can, in some cases) |
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| 01:54.20 | Gumby | Dwonis: so if I was to make a kernel based on the linux-source-2.6.16 and install it, boot it, and then edited the module I needed afterwards and did make modules then replace the module that should work fine correct? |
| 01:54.30 | lunaphyte | in a pci machine, with no isa slots, do i really need plug and play support anymore? |
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| 01:54.48 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: To boot up the system, if you're using LILO, lilo has to be loaded somehow, somewhere... right? |
| 01:55.22 | Dwonis | Gumby: I think so. The important thing is that you don't nuke the build directory (there are some dotfiles in there that control symbol versioning), and that you don't make incompatible configuration changes. |
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| 01:56.04 | Gumby | Dwonis: its just one single driver that I need to edit the .c file and then recompile |
| 01:56.19 | Gumby | I am needing to remap the keys for an ati remote control |
| 01:56.25 | Wpg_Guardian | blaze: So if the boot device is /dev/sda, LILO can be loaded in the MBR of /dev/sda, but to go any further, there has to be like a mini kernel available so that it can load the viamraid module to be able to read from the rest of the drive. No? |
| 01:56.34 | VolVE | hi all, has anyone ever installed a new PCI card and then have their system get hung on the BIOS screen (not the BIOS setup or anything, just the normal POST screen) - I'm not getting any errors, but it's not getting past the "Award Plug and Play Extension v1.0A" line, not even to test the HDs... |
| 01:56.37 | Dwonis | Gumby: It should be fine. Of course, it might not be, so have some other mechanism for booting if this hoses your system :) |
| 01:57.01 | Gumby | lol, I'll have other kernels :) |
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| 01:57.27 | ACU | Can anyone tell me why DEBIAN SARGE 3.1 R2 (release 2) iso files still show 3.1 R1 in the name (and last modification December) |
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| 01:57.34 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: ok, seems to be back up to speed now |
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| 01:58.45 | quilon | I am getting this error while attempting to build a package: error: cannot find binary, udeb or source package *.changes in dist or lab (skipping) does anyone know what that means ? |
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| 02:00.03 | xri | ACU: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/ |
| 02:00.15 | Lilldude_10 | has laible beena round? |
| 02:00.30 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: _that_'s "up to speed"? While you're at it, you should protest your lack of a fast webserver ;) |
| 02:00.46 | kspath | !seen kspath |
| 02:00.46 | dpkg | kspath is currently on #debian (7h 59m 51s). Has said a total of 140 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 02:00.52 | kspath | !seen liable |
| 02:00.52 | dpkg | liable is currently on #debian (15h 22m 34s). Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 4h 23m 39s |
| 02:00.54 | xri | !seen kano |
| 02:00.55 | dpkg | kano <n=kano@ACB1A2D4.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 52m 42s ago, saying: 'usually apt-cache show policy, or'. |
| 02:01.12 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: er, the load avg just spiked :/ |
| 02:01.28 | kspath | Lilldude_10: apparently liable has been idle for over 4 hours. |
| 02:01.31 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: Oh, that's probably me browsing with the middle mouse button :) |
| 02:01.54 | Dwonis | left-clicking in Firefox is for wimps |
| 02:02.03 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 02:02.18 | Lilldude_10 | il came back il no hoew to wring his cell |
| 02:02.26 | kspath | I only said 140 messages? I thought I was talking too much. |
| 02:02.44 | Lilldude_10 | or his lil o nech |
| 02:02.47 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: so don't middle click so much ;p |
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| 02:04.13 | rnd_null | what is the command to install a local .deb file? |
| 02:04.22 | kspath | dpkg |
| 02:04.22 | dvs | !dpkg |
| 02:04.22 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
| 02:04.50 | rnd_null | thank you |
| 02:05.02 | kspath | dvs: mine was shorter and less informative. :-P |
| 02:05.17 | dvs | kspath: sue me for being wordy! ;-) |
| 02:05.39 | dvs | besides, I was curious what dpkg would say about itself |
| 02:06.24 | rnd_null | (actually i liked the simple "dpkg" answer) : P |
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| 02:07.24 | rnd_null | what syntax should i use to install a local .deb file (i'm newish) |
| 02:07.47 | kspath | rnd_null: -i ? |
| 02:07.54 | kspath | rnd_null: man dpkg ? |
| 02:07.59 | rnd_null | :) |
| 02:08.18 | rnd_null | i was using 'dpkg install' |
| 02:08.26 | dvs | dpkg --install |
| 02:08.52 | rnd_null | yep, that did it |
| 02:08.55 | rnd_null | thank you |
| 02:09.02 | kspath | --install is -i |
| 02:09.12 | ACU | guys - I need to give somebody a solid CD or/and DVD copy of DEBIAN - now - I wonder whether I should give him SARGE 3.1 R2 (which I still do not know where to get it as xri directed me kindly to a business card iso) ---- or ETC Beta-2 ? Any answer is kindly appreciated |
| 02:09.12 | dvs | kspath: See? I'm wordy |
| 02:10.07 | xri | acu: give me a minute |
| 02:10.13 | kspath | ACU: all the CDs I have ever seen have had a whole in the center. |
| 02:10.15 | bhony | hand in the RW.. he could return it later.. |
| 02:10.19 | rnd_null | ACU, i have been using ubuntu for almost a month now...its debian based and super easy |
| 02:10.41 | kspath | rnd_null: BZZT! wrong answer. |
| 02:10.46 | rnd_null | ok |
| 02:11.00 | rnd_null | i tried :.( |
| 02:11.52 | kspath | ACU: did you look at debian.org site? netinstall |
| 02:12.51 | xri | acu: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:12.59 | xri | Thats the RC2 net install. |
| 02:13.36 | ACU | rnd_null _ I use Ubuntu - both on PowerPC and PC - I still want to go to Debian - --- kspath ---- I need to have full CD (or DVD) set - as the person I am giving to has no access to Net |
| 02:14.00 | zinx | you still don't need full |
| 02:14.19 | bhony | yah.. maybe mepis can do.. |
| 02:14.25 | kspath | ACU: All 14 CDs? |
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| 02:14.29 | zinx | one CD will get you a working system, 2 will get you some extra packages |
| 02:14.33 | zinx | you don't want all 14 CDs. |
| 02:14.34 | bhony | but uh.. nm.. i tink.. |
| 02:14.42 | dvs | zinx: What about X? |
| 02:14.53 | zinx | dvs: that should be on the first few CDs |
| 02:14.54 | xri | ACU: just hdinstall kanotix, it will transform to a more stable unstable system..if that makes sense.. |
| 02:14.58 | bhony | maybe he can try slackware.. |
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| 02:15.27 | kspath | maybe not |
| 02:15.52 | bhony | ah.. |
| 02:16.09 | xri | I lost 5gb of files on my webserver because of slackware |
| 02:16.09 | bhony | must be the ./configure --installs.. |
| 02:16.33 | xri | Instead of deleting temp, it deleted htdocs.. |
| 02:16.38 | xri | -.- |
| 02:16.41 | bhony | ah.. permissions.. |
| 02:16.41 | ACU | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ This is the current hyperlink from Debian.org for Release 2 - but everything inside says R1 last updated December 2005 ----- kspath --- why not all 14 CDs ? - if this it takes is worth |
| 02:17.01 | bhony | yah.. i get confused wid the #s.. |
| 02:17.08 | xri | Only DL the first 6 CDs, itll get you a nice system |
| 02:17.41 | bhony | it's like.. you gotta learn LFS.. |
| 02:17.47 | xri | If your giving them to a person whos new to linux I reccomend just hdinstalling kanotix, or mepis |
| 02:17.56 | kspath | ACU I have never downloaded anything other than the netinstalls |
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| 02:18.10 | bhony | i recommend mepis.. but beware the latest release.. |
| 02:18.25 | xri | Kanotix hdinstall gives you a stable-ish SiD system |
| 02:18.57 | SimonRaven | why not just install etch ... |
| 02:19.02 | kspath | wtf ubuntu slackware kanotix ... This is #debian I thought. |
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| 02:19.27 | dark_ | Has anyone gotten mythtv workin with debain? |
| 02:19.36 | SimonRaven | !debain |
| 02:19.36 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 02:19.36 | xri | kspath: Kanotix is debian |
| 02:19.42 | ACU | xri--- to my shame I do not know that is Kanotix --- ---- however I still wonder whether ETCH is better than Sarge 3.1 |
| 02:19.49 | bucky | !debian based |
| 02:19.50 | kspath | xri: no it is not |
| 02:19.51 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 02:20.29 | xri | Kanotix easter installs debian SiD with no components fro Kanotix, to make it fully compatible with all unstable packages |
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| 02:21.27 | ACU | OK last Tough question for you guys ---- Is there a way which you MIRROR perfectly the HARD Disk - somehow similar to GHOST - so you can restore Debian withouth going trhough step by step reinstallation ? |
| 02:21.28 | antarus | ahh you are in here, good ;) |
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| 02:21.39 | xri | kapath: yea, kanotix easter hdinstall IS |
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| 02:21.48 | CompWizrd | ACU: dd |
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| 02:22.25 | ACU | CompWizrd dd is the "ghost"? |
| 02:22.50 | xri | Just copy the entire filesystem to a dvd :/ |
| 02:23.02 | xri | then boot a live cd, and move them to a partition |
| 02:23.23 | xri | Given you have 2 drives of course...or a use stick |
| 02:23.30 | xri | usb* |
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| 02:29.13 | mentor | Look Firefox, if you're not going to bother to do a resize that's better than line removal, I don't want it. |
| 02:29.50 | ACU | OK - another question --- is any Debian LIve cd out there ? |
| 02:30.44 | blaze | Hey all, I am just installing a new debian box which I plan to make as my a web/mail server. Anyways, I have a domain in which i would like the server to be pointed to, but the problem is I have a dynamic IP. I signed up for zoneedit and now in the installation fase it asks me how I should set up my mail. Should I pick the internet site where my mail is directly transfered by SMTP or the smarthost thing? |
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| 02:31.38 | CompWizrd | ACU: knoppix(which isn't debian) is based on debian, and it's a live cd |
| 02:31.40 | CompWizrd | if that helps |
| 02:31.45 | CompWizrd | there'sa live dvd version of knoppix as well |
| 02:32.07 | CompWizrd | latest and greatest hardware doesn't always work with it(for example, knoppix 4.0 won't talk to my 3ware 9550SX-16) |
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| 02:33.52 | ACU | Thanks CompWizrd --- so Knopix best for LIVE CD ---- dd best (and only one for RESCUE CD) for DEBIAN |
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| 02:35.43 | ACU | Thanks CompWizard- actually I used Knopix and I found it amazingly better than Debian at recognizing hardware (and post clearly what it did find) which would have been cool to be implemented in debian too |
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| 02:36.37 | ACU | That is why I am still puzzled whether I should download ETCH or Sarge R2 |
| 02:37.24 | ACU | As I think ETCH should be much advanced from the hardware recognition point of view --- and hopefully will have a graphic interface for installation |
| 02:37.57 | zinx | why does it need a graphical interface? |
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| 02:39.48 | dark_ | Has anyone got MythTV to work on Debian? |
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| 02:40.41 | ACU | zinx - blocking question - more user friendly - same reason why all OS has to have a GUI ---- but indeed is not so urgent ----- |
| 02:40.59 | dampjam | How do I know which version of the mysql libs I should get... there is libmysqlclient10, libmysqlclient12, and libmysqlclient14... I installed mysql-client and need the libs and -dev to go along with the version I have |
| 02:41.01 | zinx | ACU: you've never used the etch installer, have you? |
| 02:41.16 | zinx | ACU: a gui isn't really going to add anything. |
| 02:41.44 | dark_ | Should I take that as a no? |
| 02:42.21 | zinx | dark_: it's very likely no one who's currently listening has even tried |
| 02:42.44 | dark_ | Ah |
| 02:42.49 | dark_ | I am trying and it's not working so well |
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| 02:43.14 | ACU | zinx - you are right -- I just downloaded ETCH daily netboot and it did not work - now I did download the DVD using Jigdo --- man - what a complex and difficult documentation for Jigdo - it took me two days to figure that for Jigdo-lite you just need to add the http site and that all to it |
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| 02:43.38 | zinx | ACU: etch daily generally has problems -- and it lists the known ones |
| 02:44.22 | ACU | So tommorow I am going to install Etch --Beta2 --- zinx so you think is definitely better to go with Etch Beta 2 than Sarge R2 |
| 02:44.25 | zinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.26 | zinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.32 | zinx | that's sparc though :D |
| 02:45.04 | pe-de-moleque | Open source is dead |
| 02:45.18 | ACU | why |
| 02:45.27 | zinx | pe-de-moleque: that's the great thing about open source. it doesn't matter if it's dead or not. |
| 02:45.33 | ACU | I think is just getin live |
| 02:45.35 | k-god | ACU: YHBT, YHL, HAND. |
| 02:45.46 | SimonRaven | pe-de-moleque: *snore* |
| 02:45.50 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
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| 02:46.07 | ACU | k-god what is YHBT, YHL, and HAND? |
| 02:46.17 | zinx | ACU: google for it |
| 02:46.33 | k-god | !tell acu about yhbt |
| 02:46.41 | SimonRaven | !hand |
| 02:46.41 | dpkg | hmm... hand is have a nice day |
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| 02:46.44 | k-god | ACU: /msg dpkg yhl; /msg dpkg hand |
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| 02:46.55 | pe-de-moleque | The truth about Open source is that it wants to be microsoft |
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| 02:47.12 | zinx | !ops pe-de-moleque, inexperienced troll |
| 02:47.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: pe-de-moleque, inexperienced troll |
| 02:47.15 | SJr|nx | Is there any reason to avoid using symlinks for folders like /home or /usr |
| 02:47.19 | SimonRaven | i wish i could figure out what's making my mailnotify puke :( |
| 02:47.21 | pe-de-moleque | It wants to have great tools like visual studio |
| 02:47.26 | SimonRaven | zinx: hehe |
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| 02:47.33 | mentor | heh |
| 02:47.34 | k-god | zinx: Point. At least, dear fnord, give us _experienced_ trolls. |
| 02:47.40 | zinx | k-god: no kidding |
| 02:47.45 | k-god | !beer Rez |
| 02:48.51 | blaze | Hey all I just installed debian and now the Debian Configuration is asking me how I should get my mail delivered. I have a domain name that is pointed to a dynamic dns service which is pointing to my local computer. Which method should I select inorder to be able to send and recieve mail through my domain name? |
| 02:49.09 | stoned | Chex mix and Hawaiin punch |
| 02:49.27 | zinx | blaze: what kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 02:50.02 | ACU | Sad |
| 02:50.02 | blaze | DSL |
| 02:50.08 | blaze | with a dynamic ip |
| 02:50.18 | SimonRaven | damnit i wish i had more upload ... blah |
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| 02:50.40 | xomhau | morning * |
| 02:50.41 | blaze | don't we all |
| 02:50.45 | zinx | blaze: then you don't want to use that computer for mail |
| 02:50.50 | blaze | SimonRaven you uploading warez? |
| 02:50.58 | stoned | lol |
| 02:51.01 | zinx | blaze: it would be better to set the MX on your domain to a mail server with a more reliable connection |
| 02:51.06 | blaze | zinx why? |
| 02:51.10 | zinx | blaze: and just have local delivery for that machine |
| 02:51.19 | zinx | blaze: Because DSL isn't reliable enough for a mail server |
| 02:51.19 | blaze | via fetchmail? |
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| 02:51.29 | blaze | how about a webserver? |
| 02:51.35 | blaze | lol |
| 02:51.37 | zinx | blaze: i wouldn't recommend it |
| 02:51.42 | blaze | worh a shot ;x |
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| 02:53.18 | SimonRaven | blaze: no. bugger off |
| 02:53.33 | blaze | sorry SimonRaven |
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| 02:53.59 | SimonRaven | accepted |
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| 02:54.49 | edwin__ | hello |
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| 02:57.43 | blaze | zinx what mail backup provider would you reocmend? |
| 02:58.42 | Stevie-O | exim4.bak\ |
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| 03:01.06 | mbishop | j #emacs |
| 03:01.08 | mbishop | er |
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| 03:02.41 | Wpg_Guardian | Here's a question: When making an initrd image, if you want to load a module, don't you have to add the name of the module to the /etc/mkinitrd/modules file, and also copy the module itself to the /lib/modules/kernel_version/initrd/ directory? |
| 03:03.27 | IceTox | hum... Does anyone know howto send a wall to other users connected to a server? (debian) |
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| 03:04.44 | acai | hi, i'm trying to install debian, and i get to the point where it's loading the partitioner, it reaches 38% and freezes. what might be going wrong, how can i get arround? |
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| 03:06.50 | sh1t | Ubuntu xD |
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| 03:08.27 | acai | is there anyone alive? |
| 03:08.36 | ApEtc | not usually |
| 03:08.42 | Wpg_Guardian | :( |
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| 03:09.11 | evaded | acai: Open another tty (the 2 i think) where you see what's going wrong? |
| 03:09.31 | rajulocal | On Debian Sid, when I am trying to install texmacs-common it wants to remove texmacs. How can I find out what the problem is or should I file a bug? |
| 03:09.37 | evaded | acai: Normally there is an tty reserved that online display some infomations |
| 03:09.54 | evaded | acai: I not remember in wich tty it was |
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| 03:10.06 | acai | evaded: oh, thank you. i'll do that and brb |
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| 03:10.35 | evaded | acai: Is the hard disk going dead? |
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| 03:13.00 | evaded | ongeboren: Connected as root user? |
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| 03:14.13 | nimak | what files do i need to change to change a computer's hostname/ |
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| 03:14.53 | nevyn | nimak: /etc/hostname /etc/hosts and any file that contains the hostname in a conf file |
| 03:15.00 | nevyn | apache |
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| 03:15.45 | ongeboren | ping? |
| 03:16.05 | ongeboren | stupid freenode.. what's so fscking wrong in ircing as root ? |
| 03:16.19 | evaded | ongeboren: Security reasons?? |
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| 03:16.33 | Dj_Spy | how can you add a global include dir? so that you don't always have to do CPPFLAGS=-I..... |
| 03:17.02 | ongeboren | i actually wanted to ask whether it would be possible to recompile the kernel (in the debian way via a .deb package) without having to first do a make clean ? |
| 03:17.03 | nimak | nevyn, it sometimes changes itself back (i changed those files) |
| 03:17.28 | nevyn | nimak: you also need to run hostname newhostname |
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| 03:17.35 | ongeboren | evaded yeah, some kind of misunderstood security in my opinion |
| 03:17.42 | nimak | nevyn, did it :-P |
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| 03:17.59 | nimak | oh well, trying again |
| 03:18.17 | nevyn | Dj_Spy: use a makefile? |
| 03:19.08 | sgeigerbot | angeboren: http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/04/18/2213218.shtml?tid=172&tid=106 |
| 03:19.15 | Dj_Spy | btw, is it normall that he new debian's no longer uses /etc/ld.conf ? I used to remember it had with the older versions :D |
| 03:19.27 | Dj_Spy | he/t/the |
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| 03:19.52 | ongeboren | sgeigerbot would that be an answer to my question? /* running in console here */ |
| 03:20.11 | kadigibox | Hello everyone. Is there a way to convert Linspire back to Debian? |
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| 03:26.34 | rajulocal | kadigibox: No |
| 03:26.52 | kadigibox | why not? |
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| 03:27.08 | kadigibox | how about half way or anything like that |
| 03:27.29 | rajulocal | kadigibox: It will be a lot of headache in the long run. |
| 03:27.36 | andy_ | i'm running the amd64 port of debian and I've managed to futz up my xserver |
| 03:27.52 | rajulocal | kadigibox: They are not meant to be compatible. |
| 03:27.54 | andy_ | could someone please point me to the debian amd64 channel? |
| 03:28.14 | nimak | kadigibox, just install normal debian, it will probably save you quite a bit of pain |
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| 03:29.02 | kadigibox | well I personally would |
| 03:29.11 | nimak | andy_, #debian-amd64 (intuitive, isnt it?) |
| 03:29.15 | kadigibox | but for some reason debian doesnt like my friends video |
| 03:29.38 | andy_ | nimak: thanks -- yeah it is intuitive but my intuition is never right on :) |
| 03:29.38 | nimak | kadigibox, can you copy over the x config file? |
| 03:29.40 | kadigibox | but linspire works and I know linspire was built from debian |
| 03:29.55 | nimak | andy_, :-) |
| 03:29.56 | kadigibox | nope. I dont know them |
| 03:30.00 | rajulocal | kadigibox: What distribution are you trying to install in debian - stable/testing/unstable? |
| 03:30.30 | VolVE | Stupid question: is there a command I can run to see the make/model of PCI cards currently in my system? |
| 03:30.33 | rajulocal | kadigibox: X in unstable is in a haphazard state now |
| 03:30.37 | kadigibox | Sarge or Sid and both wont work on the video card |
| 03:30.41 | nimak | VolVE, lspci |
| 03:30.45 | VolVE | thanks |
| 03:30.49 | nimak | sure |
| 03:30.56 | rajulocal | VolVE: use the -vv option to get more info |
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| 03:31.03 | VolVE | gotcha, thanks guys |
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| 03:31.18 | rajulocal | kadigibox: Do you know the make of the video card? |
| 03:31.38 | kadigibox | yes. I actually had him email the lspci info |
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| 03:32.09 | kadigibox | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 03:33.12 | kadigibox | about the only distros that work perfectly with the video card on startup is Ubuntu and Linspire (from the selection we tested) |
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| 03:34.16 | acai | ok, so i got the error logs from the installer regarding the partitioner halting at 38%... |
| 03:34.20 | VolVE | another odd question: if I add a PCI SATA card to my system with a 2.6 kernel, should it automagically show-up or is there anything I may have to do... ? |
| 03:34.36 | acai | DEBUG: configure harddrive-detection, status: 0 |
| 03:34.51 | acai | DEBUG: virtual package harddrive-detection |
| 03:34.59 | acai | those are the last 2 lines in the log |
| 03:35.05 | rajulocal | kadigibox: If Ubutntu works then you can do one thing. Copy the /etc/X11/XF86-config and put it in the debian installation. That should do it. |
| 03:36.06 | rajulocal | kadigibox: That should be /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:36.11 | obscurite | do debian and debian based installs generally ship with inetd? |
| 03:36.13 | kadigibox | will that config work on xorg? |
| 03:36.20 | obscurite | debain based os's like ubuntu, that is. |
| 03:36.42 | rajulocal | kadigibox: If you are using xorg, you need to copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:37.07 | kadigibox | ok one is xorg and one is xfree |
| 03:37.16 | rajulocal | kadigibox: Use testing for now if you want xorg. X in unstable is not in a very good shape |
| 03:37.21 | kadigibox | are the configs interchangable |
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| 03:37.26 | minerale | Hi, I just downloaded Etch and i'm trying to install it, the moment it reaches "configure the network" a red screen comes up saying it had failed, if I skip it, when I'm about to install debian on the hard drive, the only option I have is "automatically parition / format all drives" ... |
| 03:37.31 | rajulocal | kadigibox: which is xorg? |
| 03:37.44 | kadigibox | ubuntu |
| 03:38.01 | rajulocal | kadigibox: Try testing, it had xorg in it. |
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| 03:38.18 | rajulocal | kadigibox: Just install xserver-xorg package to get xorg |
| 03:39.02 | kadigibox | so you cannot use the same configuration between xfree and xorg then? |
| 03:39.23 | Daedalus_ | kadigibox: wait, if you're running ubuntu, you need to go to #ubuntu. Debian fixes may/will not apply to your system. Please don't make our life (as well as yours) difficult |
| 03:39.47 | kadigibox | I am not running ubuntu |
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| 03:39.53 | minerale | is it possible to install etch "manually" .... err without it "automatically" formatting all drives? |
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| 03:40.29 | rajulocal | Daedalus_: kadigibox is not running ubuntu |
| 03:40.40 | Daedalus_ | rajulocal: I believe him |
| 03:40.43 | kadigibox | Daedalus_, We are talking about configuration files that work on a specific distro that could be possibly used to make debian work |
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| 03:41.08 | Daedalus_ | kadigibox: gotchagotcha |
| 03:41.30 | rajulocal | kadigibox: configuration file for xfree86 might work with xorg. But xorg's conf file might or might not work with xfree86. |
| 03:41.38 | kadigibox | Cause of some speedo plug cannot be loaded and bunch of other things |
| 03:41.42 | Daedalus_ | minerale: sure, you can install without formatting the harddisk, though you'll need at least one blank (or destructible) partition to install onto |
| 03:41.58 | kadigibox | ok thanks rajulocal |
| 03:42.09 | rajulocal | kadigibox: sure np. |
| 03:43.28 | minerale | Daedalus_: the only options available to me is the "automatic" tool, and I get a stern warning that everything from all hard drives will be deleted |
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| 03:45.01 | FareWell | are there latestest versions of Xorg somewhere (more recent than unstable)? |
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| 03:45.21 | FareWell | unstable broke my video driver, and I'm told the latest Xorg might have a fix... |
| 03:46.13 | FareWell | dpkg: xorg experimental |
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| 03:48.23 | dnial | How do I find out which version of windows Im on? |
| 03:48.31 | Katai | O.o |
| 03:49.06 | Daedalus_ | minerale: hrmm |
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| 03:49.22 | evaded | dnial: You want o know you're version of Debian? |
| 03:49.28 | Daedalus_ | minerale: did you select some "Simple" option earlier in the install process? |
| 03:49.41 | minerale | Daedalus_: I had no option at all |
| 03:49.52 | minerale | Daedalus_: maybe I downloade the 'wrong' etch cd |
| 03:50.16 | Daedalus_ | minerale: You might try grabbing the sarge installer and starting there, then upgrading to etch if you need. |
| 03:50.36 | minerale | Daedalus_: the thing is my network card does not work in etch 2.4 |
| 03:50.56 | minerale | err etch -> stable |
| 03:51.07 | Katai | etch -> testing |
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| 03:51.12 | Katai | sarge -> stable |
| 03:51.25 | minerale | Katai I meant to say s/etch/stable |
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| 03:51.58 | minerale | where is the official source for the etch installer cd ? |
| 03:52.05 | Daedalus_ | minerale: use sarge 2.6 |
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| 03:54.05 | ceplma | Daedalus_: ping |
| 03:54.28 | minerale | is there a 'minimal bootable' etch iso available? Daedalus_: My sound card does not work in sarge 2.6 |
| 03:54.59 | Katai | minerale, the netinstaller |
| 03:55.03 | Katai | about 100 mb |
| 03:55.53 | minerale | Katai: does netinstaller have the 2.6 kernel? my network card is not recognised in 2.4 |
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| 03:56.07 | Katai | yes minerale |
| 03:56.18 | Katai | If my memory is working fine, yes |
| 03:56.25 | Daedalus_ | minerale: you don't need to worry about your soundcard just yet |
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| 03:56.55 | Daedalus_ | minerale: if you can get your network card working under sarge 2.6, then you can install sarge, and then upgrade to etch if you need to |
| 03:57.59 | itsjustanick | what is the best way to so i do not have to make a device after every boot? /dev/raw1394 ? |
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| 03:58.10 | minerale | Daedalus_: would my 'sound card' be recognised after upgrading? I know that if I use the Ubuntu livecd sound works (and that's etch) |
| 03:58.13 | nevyn | itsjustanick: it depends |
| 03:58.21 | itsjustanick | nevyn: how so ? |
| 03:58.46 | nevyn | itsjustanick: if you're running sarge /dev/raw1394 shouldn't disappear after a reboot |
| 03:59.03 | itsjustanick | hmmm |
| 03:59.29 | nevyn | itsjustanick: if you're using devfs (deprecated) then there's a way to do it |
| 03:59.38 | nevyn | if you're using udev there's another way to do it. |
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| 03:59.45 | dan2 | ~seen bob2 |
| 03:59.55 | apt | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 127d 20h 54m 37s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 03:59.55 | dan2 | !seen bob2 |
| 03:59.55 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 127d 20h 54m 35s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 04:00.02 | dan2 | wow |
| 04:00.09 | itsjustanick | it does disappear |
| 04:00.19 | nevyn | what dev system are you using? |
| 04:00.27 | valdyn | itsjustanick: dpkg -l udev |
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| 04:00.49 | itsjustanick | nevyn: udev |
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| 04:02.17 | itsjustanick | ooops |
| 04:02.46 | itsjustanick | i think its udev |
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| 04:08.48 | renewbie | is there a way I can see installed packages searched on a particular string like say "ftp" |
| 04:08.54 | zasz | i wonder how well debian runs on a g3 laptop! |
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| 04:09.04 | Katai | dpk -l i guess |
| 04:09.07 | valdyn | renewbie: dpkg -l | grep ftp |
| 04:11.28 | insidius | Is it possible to use rsa authentication from a windows machine into my main? Windows would be the client |
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| 04:12.23 | insidius | mabye i should just use username/password instead of rsa might be easier |
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| 04:13.49 | Gumby | any kernel people in here? I happened to have a ssh session open to the box when it crashed and the info printed in the session can be seen at http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/files/kernel_crash.txt Anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:13.51 | mmassonnet | hy! |
| 04:14.51 | mmassonnet | With what tool can I create a debian directory with every changelog/rules/...? I forget :x |
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| 04:16.27 | liable_ | insidius: sure, putty supports keys |
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| 04:17.30 | liable_ | insidius: thats how i am irc'ing atm.. |
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| 04:18.28 | obscurite | does stable ship with inetd? |
| 04:18.29 | insidius | Hmm so i will have to configure putty then, i was just not sure if it was supported by putty thanks liable |
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| 04:19.33 | mmassonnet | ok got it dh_make |
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| 04:19.53 | liable_ | obscurite: yes |
| 04:19.56 | insidius | hmm so all i have to do is create a key for putty to use |
| 04:20.28 | renewbie | valdyn: thanks, I was used to `rpm -qa | grep whatever` |
| 04:20.31 | liable_ | insidius: it has a key converting tool, just give it your rsa and it make a ppk |
| 04:20.42 | obscurite | liable_ - thanks. know if all releases do? |
| 04:20.58 | liable_ | obscurite: nope |
| 04:21.16 | liable_ | obscurite: the ones i have used all have though |
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| 04:21.41 | ongeboren | is it possible to recompile the kernel (in the debian way via a .deb package) without having first to do a make clean ? |
| 04:21.49 | obscurite | liable_ - I thought so. The qmail debs require it. I tried using them on an ubuntu box and found out ubuntu doesn't ship with inetd which is odd. |
| 04:22.01 | valdyn | obscurite: and likely false |
| 04:22.12 | liable_ | obscurite: ubuntu prolly uses xinetd |
| 04:22.29 | obscurite | valdyn - Neither inetd or xinetd are installed on a box I did a "server" install on for ubuntu breezy |
| 04:22.45 | obscurite | which surprised me |
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| 04:22.52 | liable_ | actually, it doesnr have any services running at all, so it might not have either. |
| 04:24.09 | obscurite | Someone told me to get the ucpsi-tcp deb and install that with qmail, but it turns out the qmail deb requires inetd anyway. Go figure. |
| 04:24.20 | insidius | Lol liable i found out where is was going wrong, wrong version of putty without the key tools |
| 04:24.49 | insidius | I did not have puttygen |
| 04:24.54 | obscurite | Another debianish question, since I have some ears :) Anyone know a way to dump services and run levels from the command line? |
| 04:24.54 | valdyn | !info inetd sarge |
| 04:25.01 | liable_ | insidius: ah you got just the putty.exe? |
| 04:25.06 | obscurite | sort of like a debian version of chkconfig --list |
| 04:25.23 | obscurite | (not graphical tools, though i've found a couple) |
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| 04:25.51 | liable_ | !services |
| 04:25.52 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers, or |
| 04:26.23 | obscurite | rcconf and sysvconfig are new to me. I'll check those out, thanks. |
| 04:26.24 | insidius | yeah it was my own stupid fault heh, fixed it now though |
| 04:26.54 | insidius | Oh wait i need to open up port 22, tcp or udp or both? |
| 04:27.44 | valdyn | obscurite: debians 'default' inetd is 'netkit-inetd', i dont know about ubuntu |
| 04:27.49 | minerale | my netinstaller is frozen while downloading "file 197/577", i'm on the other tty wondering if I can kill some process to "kickstart" downloading again |
| 04:27.55 | obscurite | valdyn - same |
| 04:28.23 | obscurite | I should have specified "server" install. |
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| 04:31.37 | obscurite | liable_ - rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf are all graphical, and update-rc.d doesn't have a list feature. |
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| 04:33.06 | obscurite | minerale - ouch |
| 04:33.36 | liable_ | obscurite: they arent graphical, they are ncurses. if you want to stop things that run from init, usually /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 04:34.35 | obscurite | liable_ - All I want to do is list what is set to run at what run levels. irix/redhat have chkconfig --list which prints out a nice table format report |
| 04:34.45 | SexyKen | How can I see if a certain package is currnetly installed on my deb system? |
| 04:35.01 | obscurite | liable_ - but I want to do it without ncurses/graphical tools |
| 04:35.20 | obscurite | sexyken - dpkg -l |
| 04:35.28 | liable_ | obscurite: ls /etc/rc2.d/ and so on. will print a nice .. erm .. list :) |
| 04:35.42 | obscurite | liable_ sounds like I need to scratch my own itch ;) |
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| 04:36.21 | bucky | obscurite: debian only runs in runlevel 2 |
| 04:36.36 | bucky | unless you boot into safety mode |
| 04:36.46 | bucky | type runlevel |
| 04:36.48 | SexyKen | -i? |
| 04:37.02 | liable_ | SexyKen: dpkg -l foo |
| 04:37.26 | liable_ | l for lama |
| 04:37.27 | SexyKen | ahhh |
| 04:37.28 | SexyKen | Thanks. |
| 04:37.56 | obscurite | SexyKen: -i is for install. -l is for list. if you type a pattern after -l it will match it with wildcards. like dpkg -l *foo*. or you can dpkg -l |grep foo |
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| 04:38.34 | bucky | obscurite: what does your /sbin/runlevel say? |
| 04:38.46 | jnc | bugger all *throw a chair at own bind9 ignorance* |
| 04:38.57 | obscurite | bucky: N 2 |
| 04:39.48 | jnc | looking for a handout. any lovely bind9 gurus willing to take a feller through simple website configuration? i thought i had it licked from HOWTOs and such, but the registrar won't let me use the server as DNS entry for a domain |
| 04:40.15 | sep | jnc, the registrar often give you a reason for that |
| 04:40.34 | sep | jnc are you running your own or using your registrars nameservers ? |
| 04:40.37 | jnc | "Unavailable error in Host Name field 1" heh |
| 04:40.58 | obscurite | jnc, it might be worth starting with some working example zones |
| 04:41.03 | jnc | i'm not sure how to answer your question; i've got a VPS account, and i'm running bind9 off of it trying to make use of that |
| 04:41.21 | sep | jnc, usualy you should have 2 separate Nameservers for a domain |
| 04:41.34 | sep | jnc, whats the ip for the nameserver and the domain you have configured on it ? |
| 04:41.59 | jnc | 208.100.19.13 is one of the IP's for the VPS server i've got root on |
| 04:42.04 | obscurite | jnc, there's free dns servers you can use too. |
| 04:42.16 | jnc | domain i'm trying to test configure is osclab.net |
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| 04:42.30 | jnc | hey mark |
| 04:42.58 | jnc | does "dig @208.100.19.13 osclab.net" look weird? |
| 04:43.17 | sep | jnc your email address is obviously very bogus |
| 04:43.25 | jnc | yeah, i thought that'd be okay |
| 04:44.04 | peterS | jnc: dunno, looks ok to me |
| 04:44.34 | sep | jnc, no both NS records go to the same ip |
| 04:44.47 | jnc | i could fix that up, hrmm |
| 04:44.49 | sep | jnc, either use 2 separate or only have 1 NS record |
| 04:44.52 | peterS | oh yeah, that's a problem. they require two ns records for a *reason* |
| 04:45.50 | peterS | setting them both to the same machine kind of defeats the purpose |
| 04:45.51 | jnc | okay, how about now? |
| 04:46.26 | sep | jnc your second nameserver dong know about the zone |
| 04:46.36 | sep | jnc now it do :) |
| 04:47.08 | jnc | godaddy isn't eating it. |
| 04:47.17 | jetscreamer | you 'can' just use one nameserver as both |
| 04:47.28 | jnc | jetscreamer: will try that .... :0 |
| 04:47.28 | jetscreamer | it is possible is all i'm saying |
| 04:47.32 | jnc | oh |
| 04:47.34 | sep | jnc, and fix the email while your at it. |
| 04:47.35 | jetscreamer | and it will work |
| 04:47.58 | peterS | yeah what's with nobody@test.net |
| 04:48.03 | peterS | use a real admin address |
| 04:48.23 | jnc | just quick and dirty. i want to get a proof of concept up to start with |
| 04:48.42 | sep | petemc_, test.net is a real domain, i just dont think he ownes it :) |
| 04:48.58 | jnc | i used to serve IPv6 PTR's from my house, off a cable broadband 'net connection. super ghetto styling |
| 04:48.59 | peterS | bah, everyone knows you're supposed to say example.com |
| 04:49.06 | jnc | used dynds.org to bootstrap it |
| 04:49.30 | jnc | now that i've got this VPS stuff to play with, i'm all confused |
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| 04:49.49 | jetscreamer | teh intarweb is overpriced |
| 04:49.58 | jnc | yep |
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| 04:50.28 | jnc | okay, now that this is set up, am i waiting for things to propogate or should it immediately be usable by godaddy? |
| 04:50.44 | sep | jnc, just use hostmaster.osclab.net. or something |
| 04:50.46 | jetscreamer | probably take a little time to propagate |
| 04:50.50 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 04:50.52 | peterS | jnc: you should be able to send the update to godaddy immediately |
| 04:51.00 | insidius | Whats the paste button heh i forget |
| 04:51.10 | peterS | !paster |
| 04:51.11 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 04:51.30 | insidius | No no no, i mean the paste command for debian to paste text |
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| 04:51.43 | peterS | jnc: now, after godaddy accepts the update, it will take time to propagate to the dot-net DNS servers. I forget how often they update these days - used to be only once per day, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot more often now |
| 04:51.50 | jnc | oh |
| 04:51.51 | sep | insidius, middle mousebutton |
| 04:52.09 | jetscreamer | and it will paste the highlighted text |
| 04:52.18 | peterS | or hit both buttons at the same time, if you only have 2 instead of 3 |
| 04:52.19 | jnc | what keeps people from setting up insane dns servers and having them be used? |
| 04:52.29 | peterS | jnc: what do you mean by insane? |
| 04:52.34 | jetscreamer | cash |
| 04:52.37 | j0rd | Hey guys. I've got a problem with my internet connections coming up and down. Weird thing is, i've install an alias for my interface so (eth0 and eth0:1) and they both go down independantly. |
| 04:52.37 | jnc | like me serving DNS for microsoft.com |
| 04:52.41 | jnc | you know, really out there |
| 04:52.53 | sep | jnc nobody would ask your nameservers |
| 04:52.55 | j0rd | anyone know where i can look for why this problem is happening? |
| 04:52.56 | jnc | oh okay |
| 04:53.08 | peterS | jnc: you could, but ICANN runs the root servers that everyone uses, and the root servers know where the .com servers are, and the .com servers won't accept some random 'microsoft.com' update from you |
| 04:53.11 | sep | jnc unless you also somehow tricked microsoft.com's registrar into using your nameservers |
| 04:53.11 | j0rd | nothing in /var/log/messages /var/log/debug |
| 04:53.32 | jnc | oohhh |
| 04:53.42 | insidius | and what if i have no gui? and no mouse? |
| 04:53.42 | jnc | the root servers trust godaddy ? |
| 04:53.51 | peterS | jnc: since most people in the world use the ICANN root servers, this is all indirectly controlled by ICANN. you could run your own root servers but that's only useful if you can change everyone else's DNS configs to know about you |
| 04:53.57 | shogunx | peterS ICANN does not run the root servers. it operates the .com and net registry. |
| 04:54.07 | peterS | jnc: the root servers kinda trust godaddy. they have a contract to resell DNS services. |
| 04:54.16 | peterS | shogunx: IANA, whatever |
| 04:54.17 | jnc | that makes more sense, thanks |
| 04:55.05 | shogunx | peterS many organizations operate the root servers independently. IANA is responsible for passing out IP addresses. |
| 04:55.11 | peterS | jnc: to set yourself up as an official reseller of .com / .net names requires a lot of paperwork and a lot of money. and probably some safeguards against abuse. |
| 04:55.31 | shogunx | PeterS Vixie used to operate one of the root servers from his garage;) |
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| 04:55.56 | peterS | shogunx: doesn't surprise me |
| 04:56.02 | jnc | i'm not clear on how it is that when i set up a bind9 server on my faith.vzservers.com virtual system, with its three IP addresses, that godaddy can see it. like, on faith i have bind9 set up for osclab.net., and my osclab.net. domain is on godaddy. if i'm telling godaddy hey, ns1.osclab.net is a dns server for osclab.net, how does it ever resolve ns1.osclab.net in the first place? |
| 04:56.22 | j0rd | jce: |
| 04:56.28 | j0rd | jnc: i did this yesterday |
| 04:56.36 | peterS | shogunx: what I don't get is why the root servers are considered so fragile and so important. I mean, don't people cache root server stuff for like *weeks* at a time? how often does the list of .com servers change, anyway? |
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| 04:56.45 | obscurite | jnc, you tell godaddy the IP |
| 04:56.46 | j0rd | jnc: you're trying to get godaddy to use your name servers for the domain right? |
| 04:56.50 | j0rd | obscurite: you can't |
| 04:56.51 | jnc | j0rd: oh? yeahhh |
| 04:56.55 | j0rd | jnc: ya, login |
| 04:56.59 | jnc | got it |
| 04:57.01 | sep | jnc, usualy you also provide glue addresses |
| 04:57.08 | j0rd | jnc: domain manager |
| 04:57.08 | obscurite | j0rd you cant tell godaddy a dns server ip address? |
| 04:57.10 | j0rd | jnc: click the domain name |
| 04:57.13 | j0rd | obscurite: no |
| 04:57.14 | jnc | godaddy wont take IP's |
| 04:57.16 | j0rd | obscurite: you can't |
| 04:57.19 | jnc | j0rd: okay, following you |
| 04:57.19 | obscurite | j0rd - ok :) |
| 04:57.28 | j0rd | jnc: right side bar |
| 04:57.31 | peterS | obscurite: the way it works is, you provide both a name and an address for each name server. godaddy can't infer the one from the other, nor can anyone else |
| 04:57.39 | j0rd | jnc: what's the bottom expand tab called? |
| 04:57.53 | j0rd | jnc: i'm pretty sure that's the one, expand it |
| 04:57.59 | peterS | obscurite: I suppose they could randomly assign a name for each IP address you give 'em, but that's not how registrars seem to operate in practice |
| 04:58.07 | j0rd | jnc: click on the link in that tab, but tell me what it is |
| 04:58.12 | j0rd | first |
| 04:58.14 | jnc | there's like, reviews, support, check email, quick domain search |
| 04:58.27 | obscurite | peterS - I guess I've provided both in the past. makes sense. |
| 04:58.28 | j0rd | jnc: sec, logging in |
| 04:58.37 | jnc | stoopid godaddy selling me crap i don't need |
| 04:58.38 | jnc | :) |
| 04:58.43 | j0rd | jnc: no shit eh |
| 04:58.59 | jnc | i love their prices, but damn. how much VAR do i need |
| 04:59.04 | j0rd | jnc: restart with me. Login and click on "my account" |
| 04:59.11 | peterS | obscurite: back in the netsol-pwns-everyone days, you actually had to set up the nameserver as a name + address *before* you could use it as a nameserver for your domain. like, in two separate steps. that was retarded. |
| 04:59.22 | j0rd | jnc: "manager domains" and then click on the domain you want |
| 04:59.24 | jnc | j0rd: check |
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| 04:59.41 | j0rd | jnc: right nav. "Domain Host Summary" |
| 04:59.52 | shogunx | peterS its not really so fragile... redundant over a dozen times. all the root servers do is know which servers are authoritative for .com .net .org, .dj, .gr, etc. a request for foo.com does not even go near a root server. resource records are often set live for months. |
| 04:59.59 | jnc | whoa |
| 05:00.01 | j0rd | jnc: Click here to see details or to modify. |
| 05:00.01 | jnc | that's new |
| 05:00.11 | j0rd | insert it there |
| 05:00.14 | j0rd | ns1 then the IP |
| 05:00.16 | j0rd | and such |
| 05:00.22 | j0rd | F*SCKING LAME eh |
| 05:00.23 | peterS | shogunx: exactly. the data the root servers actually serve is very static, I don't see why anyone would look it up more than, say, once every 6 months |
| 05:00.32 | jnc | j0rd: i would never have found that. thanks chap! |
| 05:00.35 | j0rd | jnc: took me all last day to figure that out |
| 05:00.38 | j0rd | jnc: pay it forward |
| 05:00.48 | j0rd | jnc: no problem |
| 05:00.51 | jnc | i can sell this info on e-Bay |
| 05:00.57 | peterS | haha |
| 05:00.59 | shogunx | peterS the danger is that if all the root servers were siezed SIMULTANEOUSLY, the whole net could be censored and essentially overwritten instantly. |
| 05:01.11 | jnc | "LEARN HOW TO MAxiMiZe YOUR GO-DADDY" |
| 05:01.12 | peterS | shogunx: true, true |
| 05:01.33 | sep | jnc, your quite the buissnissman eh? |
| 05:01.34 | j0rd | jnc: hah, i want royalties |
| 05:01.45 | peterS | jnc: see I've always thought it would be more amusing to pronounce that registrar as 'god-addy', where addy is short for address registrar |
| 05:01.46 | shogunx | peterS %98 of all traffic to the root servers come as a result of misconfigured nameservers. |
| 05:02.01 | jnc | right/right |
| 05:02.09 | jnc | lord of the nameservers |
| 05:02.18 | j0rd | jnc: http://www.allonlinecoupons.com/st/go-daddy/ |
| 05:02.38 | j0rd | jnc: http://www.dealtaker.com/GoDaddy-coupon-code-a528-c40.html |
| 05:02.44 | j0rd | jnc: use those next time |
| 05:02.45 | obscurite | I'm glad they just donated 10k to openbsd/openssh |
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| 05:02.52 | obscurite | hope they keep it up :) |
| 05:03.00 | jnc | j0rd: super sweet |
| 05:03.12 | j0rd | obscurite: godaddy just switched all their hosting servers to win2003 server too! |
| 05:03.19 | j0rd | obscurite: go daddy! |
| 05:03.23 | peterS | wjp |
| 05:03.28 | peterS | errr ... who's their daddy? |
| 05:03.31 | sep | shogunx, was hard to predict that microsoft would start with dynamic updates of dns the way they did. most never used it so it got forwarded up the chain like one should assume was normal |
| 05:03.32 | obscurite | j0rd - i thought that was a partial upgrade donated by MS or something? |
| 05:03.46 | jnc | peterS: William Gates 'their daddy |
| 05:03.52 | j0rd | obscurite: no idea, check out netcraft |
| 05:04.12 | shogunx | whatever ms can get their packet into, they will. |
| 05:04.15 | obscurite | anyone have a hosted godaddy account? |
| 05:04.42 | insidius | So if i have no mouse and i am running in a console env how can i paste text? |
| 05:04.54 | peterS | insidius: normally by installing 'gpm' |
| 05:04.59 | jnc | no mouse |
| 05:04.59 | peterS | cause then you have a mouse |
| 05:05.01 | shogunx | peterS you are right... godaddy got a nice kickback for moving their "parking" hosting to ms servers. |
| 05:05.09 | peterS | oh you mean you physically don't have a mouse plugged in at all? |
| 05:05.10 | jnc | obscurite: 'screen' could do it i think |
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| 05:05.16 | xomhau | re hi |
| 05:05.20 | insidius | yeah i have no pysical mouse |
| 05:05.24 | obscurite | jnc - insidius was asking, not me :) |
| 05:05.34 | peterS | insidius: then yeah, you can cut / paste with 'screen', but it's a bit painful in my humble opinion |
| 05:05.37 | jnc | oh, boner. my mistake |
| 05:05.53 | jnc | physically painful. those key combos are murder |
| 05:06.25 | shogunx | that little godaddy stunt shifted the netcraft server usage #'s %5. |
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| 05:06.41 | peterS | o/~ denn alles Fleisch, es ist wie Gras, und alle Herrlichkeit des Menschen wie grases Blumen o/~ *help*, I can't get the Brahms Requiem out of my head |
| 05:07.14 | xomhau | what the mean symbol v when run : aptitude search foo ? |
| 05:07.25 | xomhau | v foo - |
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| 05:07.50 | peterS | xomhau: virtual package, not a real package name, I think |
| 05:08.25 | xomhau | peterS, thank y |
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| 05:14.12 | Drini | @owner |
| 05:14.12 | ravenbird | simonrvn |
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| 05:14.44 | Drini | :\ I thought the bot owner could give me a quick supybot hint |
| 05:14.49 | Drini | thanks anyway |
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| 05:15.43 | Daveman | Hi PeterS :) |
| 05:15.53 | peterS | Dave. Man. |
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| 05:16.30 | Daveman | :) |
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| 05:18.50 | jetscreamer | he should try #supybot |
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| 05:27.46 | minerale | Greetings, I just installed etch, I got the error: GDM: Xserver not found /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 ... Error: Command could not be executed ... Please install the X server or correct GDM configuration and restart GDM. I only have console access to the internet at the moment, anyone seen this before // knows steps needed to proceed? |
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| 05:28.54 | jm_ | read the topic |
| 05:30.25 | stew | minerale: install x-window-system-core |
| 05:32.47 | minerale | stew: thanks, installing right now, jm_: sorry, been here since Apr 16th... |
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| 05:36.17 | Azar | hmm gdm and no X? the car before the horse? |
| 05:37.08 | Azar | jm_ , stew, that smart package manager looks good |
| 05:37.43 | stew | Azar: cars work fine without horses |
| 05:38.01 | Azar | stew, I ment cars that were tracted by horses |
| 05:38.38 | Azar | assumin I would try to install spm, ofcourse won't work with debian repositories, am I right? |
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| 05:39.35 | Azar | This tool works in all major distributions, and will bring notable advantages over native tools currently in use (APT, APT-RPM, YUM, URPMI, etc)... is Debian a major distro? |
| 05:40.21 | mmmooonnnsssttte | wtf |
| 05:40.28 | mmmooonnnsssttte | what's going on |
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| 05:41.53 | minerale | that broke my vt100 ircII (monste's msg) |
| 05:42.51 | gdub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.27 | obscurite | minerale - how did your install turn out? |
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| 05:43.48 | minerale | it worked fine, obscurite |
| 05:43.52 | nadjyla | hello |
| 05:43.56 | obscurite | minerale - did you restart? how'd you unfreeze?/ |
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| 05:45.37 | minerale | obscurite: after installing xwindow system core, as stew said, I was unable to start gdm, thus a restart was required, otherwise it's smooth as summer butter |
| 05:45.44 | kozoa | hi, no mouse action. i am using usb mouse, xorg. lsmod shows module usbhid is present. |
| 05:45.58 | obscurite | minerale - ah ok. :) congrats |
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| 05:46.37 | dgtlhoon | greets |
| 05:46.55 | stew | kozoa: which version of xorg? |
| 05:47.11 | kozoa | stew: hang on. |
| 05:47.45 | dgtlhoon | what else do i need to know to get make-kpkg to build a kernel that will boot from sda1? ive copied the /boot/config from a known working linux-2.6.12 kernel and rebuilt it but it doesnt work |
| 05:48.15 | dgtlhoon | like ive got the kernel, and the kernel source, ive rebuilt the kernel from its own provided config by debian and this one i build with make-kpkg wont work, but the same kernel, built by debian does |
| 05:48.31 | kozoa | stew: what is the full name of the xorg package to use with dpkg -l? |
| 05:48.49 | stew | kozoa: x11-common |
| 05:49.21 | kozoa | stew: it is 6.9.0 |
| 05:49.46 | stew | kozoa: do you have the mousedev and psmouse modules loaded? which mouse device did you choose in the x configuration? |
| 05:50.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:50.48 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:51.21 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- I currently have php4-mysql installed -- I want to ADD postgres support how can I do this without it removing my php4-mysql stuff? |
| 05:51.34 | kozoa | stew: in the xorg.conf, i choose /dev/input/mice. i have tried to modprobe or include mousedev and psmouse in /etc/modules, but err msg says modules not found. |
| 05:51.36 | karsten | SexyKen: Do the packages conflict? |
| 05:52.00 | tarzeau | SexyKen: in debian if you want software you just say apt-get install sofwtarename |
| 05:52.05 | SexyKen | Well -- no...but it is saying the following extra packages will be installed, and it shows apache & other apps I know are installed... |
| 05:52.12 | SexyKen | ..then at the bottom, it lists them again as upgraded apps |
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| 05:52.20 | tarzeau | SexyKen: if it doesn't work because of broken dependency hell, check BTS and send a patch, if you're too lazy for this lart the maintainers |
| 05:52.22 | stew | kozoa: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 05:52.36 | karsten | SexyKen: Um. If it wants to install them, and they're not already installed, then they're not installed. Or you're reading the output incorrectly. |
| 05:52.41 | karsten | !tell SexyKen about paster |
| 05:53.02 | kozoa | i am using kernel-2.6.15, without udev but hotplug. |
| 05:53.09 | karsten | SexyKen: You're better off posting output than interpreting it (wrongly) for us (or having us think you might be). |
| 05:53.21 | kozoa | stew: i am using kernel-2.6.15, without udev but hotplug. |
| 05:53.43 | stew | kozoa: what does "uname -r" say? did you compile it yourself? |
| 05:53.56 | SexyKen | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2400 |
| 05:53.57 | kozoa | stew: 2.6.15 |
| 05:54.09 | stew | kozoa: does a debian kernel work? |
| 05:54.40 | kozoa | stew: don't understand. |
| 05:55.28 | stew | kozoa: have you tried one of the debian packaged kernels? |
| 05:55.32 | obscurite | SexyKen: looks like you con just proceed with the install |
| 05:55.51 | Azar | when I installed 2.6.15 two nights ago, it replaced automatically the hotplug with udev, so what are you talking about, kozoa? |
| 05:55.55 | SexyKen | abscurite: Well is it going to mess something up? |
| 05:55.59 | karsten | SexyKen: I'd say go for it. What command? 'apt-get' or 'aptitude'? |
| 05:56.03 | kozoa | stew: if this helps, i compile kernel from linux-2.6.15 source package, iirc. |
| 05:56.03 | SexyKen | apt-get |
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| 05:56.20 | obscurite | SexyKen: no, upgrades generally are smart enough to leave your configs alone |
| 05:56.24 | Azar | kozoa: so you are not running debian? what is the point compiling? |
| 05:56.30 | kozoa | Azar: perhaps. u can remove the udev and re-install hotplug. |
| 05:56.37 | obscurite | SexyKen: if you're ultra paranoid, make backups |
| 05:56.47 | Azar | kozoa: as long as it works, no need to undo |
| 05:57.01 | kozoa | Azar: it does not work with udev either. |
| 05:57.08 | kozoa | i mean the mouse. |
| 05:57.16 | Azar | kozoa: because you never tried to get a debianized kernel? |
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| 05:57.53 | minerale | What is dpkg's "command" for nonfree codecs? |
| 05:58.06 | kozoa | Azar: it is a debianized kernel, i download the source fr the debian repo. no image at that time, iirc. |
| 05:58.07 | stew | minerale: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 05:58.21 | Azar | kozoa: the drill: upgrade to etch; get the 2.6.15 kernel from repositories, reconfigure X and sound (and some extras like gdm whatever ) and all it goes ok |
| 05:58.40 | stew | Azar: he's already running etch |
| 05:58.47 | Azar | am I lucky or others like the hard way |
| 05:58.56 | kozoa | Azar: i am in etch. is there a 2.6.15 image now? |
| 05:58.56 | Azar | stew, I only gave an example |
| 05:59.17 | Azar | kozoa: apt-cache search kernel image |
| 05:59.21 | Azar | or kernel-image |
| 05:59.36 | AlienX | Azar, isn't the package listed as linux-image? |
| 05:59.54 | Azar | oh yes, now is called linux-image, thanks for correction AlienX |
| 06:00.01 | AlienX | np |
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| 06:00.17 | Azar | I was expecting to have hardships, but : none, everything went straight and smooth |
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| 06:00.51 | Azar | AlienX: I did not know myself at the time, did a search for kernel-image and I then noticed the change |
| 06:01.10 | Azar | if sid would be so easy, wow, Id fly |
| 06:01.46 | AlienX | Azar, i think it's been changed for a few months now, at least in sid. |
| 06:01.54 | Azar | so what am I running now? wargetch |
| 06:02.15 | Azar | if I go sid, I will run wargetchid |
| 06:02.23 | kozoa | bye. got to download the kernel image. |
| 06:02.31 | AlienX | wargetchid? |
| 06:02.50 | Azar | sounds exotic isn't it? woody-sarge-etch-sid |
| 06:03.21 | Azar | if someone asks me to install from scratch, I would be lost |
| 06:03.30 | AlienX | lol |
| 06:03.41 | Azar | I only feel good with woody install |
| 06:03.44 | obscurite | azar - you really went through all those upgrades? |
| 06:03.47 | AlienX | the new installer is very easy |
| 06:03.52 | Azar | obscurite: yes |
| 06:03.56 | obscurite | azar - nice :) |
| 06:04.04 | Azar | and say if I mess and I need to reinstall Id do it the same way |
| 06:04.16 | obscurite | heh |
| 06:04.20 | zasz | hmm this g3 laptop doesn't seem to want to boot with this powerpc net inst I burned |
| 06:04.30 | zasz | anyone have any tips |
| 06:04.31 | Azar | AlienX: I tried the sarge installer like 3 times, it intimidated me and I gave up on it |
| 06:04.39 | obscurite | zasz, holding down the right key? :) |
| 06:04.56 | zasz | I've tried a few, which one do you suggest |
| 06:04.58 | AlienX | Azar, heh, it happens :) |
| 06:05.10 | obscurite | zasz - not sure if it's "c" for the g3s or not |
| 06:05.17 | zasz | yea i tried c |
| 06:05.19 | zasz | c does nothing |
| 06:05.28 | Azar | AlienX: that what happens when one gets too intimate with a distro |
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| 06:05.38 | zasz | ctrl-command-shift-del brings up a floppy with a ? in the middle of it |
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| 06:05.44 | zasz | that's as far as I get though |
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| 06:06.30 | obscurite | zasz - this is old but... http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2001/01/msg00206.html |
| 06:06.40 | AlienX | Azar, I've only been using debian exclusively now for about 7 or 8 months. I've run plent of other distros over the years but found the sid install pretty easy. |
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| 06:07.08 | kozoa | Azar: i know why i compile fr source. i need the kernel-headers to build non-debian software. |
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| 06:07.43 | obscurite | something about broken openfirmware |
| 06:08.01 | obscurite | http://www.olografix.org/nembokid/wallstreet -- this one says forget about CD |
| 06:08.10 | kozoa | Azar: ? |
| 06:08.16 | Azar | AlienX: like 2 years ago, still a shaking/sweating newbie I upgraded to sid. It worked ok for a while. Ofcourse I must have done tons of mistakes so one day the system abandoned me. Was a quiet and pleasant death, but since I never ventured there again |
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| 06:09.16 | obscurite | Azar, so now you only do etch eh? |
| 06:09.17 | Azar | kozoa: well ok but can't you get the kernel-sources anyways? All my kernels came precompiled and I remember getting kernel-sources anyways for nvidia driver config |
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| 06:09.29 | AlienX | Azar, heh, it's ok. In time you'll feel more comfortable with things. I've been using linux since 1998. RH 5.1 was my first distro :) |
| 06:09.42 | unix_infidel | anyone know an OSS tool to convert doc to ps/ |
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| 06:09.48 | Azar | obscurite: just upgraded like 3 days ago, on this testing box, I can say is as stable as sarge for what I use, no difference |
| 06:10.23 | Azar | AlienX: I started linux 3 years ago and from the first minute I aimed at Debian. Never changed since |
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| 06:10.50 | obscurite | AlienX: my first distro was slackware 1.2 purchased in the back of a book |
| 06:11.00 | obscurite | purchased or stolen I forget. :) |
| 06:11.08 | AlienX | Azar, first time I tried to use debian, I failed, same with the second, and third, and forth....hehe |
| 06:11.09 | hendry | my flash with Google analytics doesn't show the fonts after a dist-upgrade. Known issue? |
| 06:11.16 | AlienX | obscurite, lol |
| 06:11.18 | kozoa | stew: back to the mouse problem. which kernel option to choose to get the mousedev and psmouse modules? |
| 06:11.36 | Azar | AlienX: I beat the records: 57 Debian installs in 3 years |
| 06:11.47 | mmmooonnnsssttte | omg |
| 06:11.49 | Noboru | anyone know if Xeon processor doesn't support running with only ONE cpu of itself ? |
| 06:11.53 | AlienX | Azar, I'm impressed you counted ;) |
| 06:12.10 | mmmooonnnsssttte | i don't think that is good for learning |
| 06:12.18 | Azar | kozoa: thats in X configuration to do: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86(or xorg) |
| 06:12.18 | obscurite | Noboru - you mean turning off hyper threading? |
| 06:12.21 | mmmooonnnsssttte | because you need to have a stable environment in order to learn |
| 06:12.38 | kozoa | Azar: that i have done. |
| 06:12.40 | Noboru | obscurite, No,i meant it in physically |
| 06:12.58 | kozoa | but still cannot load mousedev or psmouse modules. |
| 06:12.58 | Azar | kozoa: me too, and my mouse got alive from there |
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| 06:13.02 | Noboru | obscurite, i mean, we have to use 2 X Xeon , 4 X Xeon but with only ONE Xeon it wont run ? |
| 06:13.09 | SJr|nx | Lets say I add a new hard drive to my system, and want to move /home and /usr to it. Should I divide up the space properly, or couldn't I just create a new share, and then symlink everything, or would that cause some wierd problems later? |
| 06:13.21 | Azar | kozoa: and if you do not use udev, install modconf and do it by hand |
| 06:13.26 | mmmooonnnsssttte | you can't do that SJr|nx |
| 06:13.30 | jm_ | you can symlink it or even bind mount stuff |
| 06:13.42 | obscurite | Noboru - Of course debian can run on one CPU |
| 06:13.47 | mmmooonnnsssttte | you have to mount or copy them. SJr|nx |
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| 06:14.15 | foo | If I want to time how long it takes a process to do something, what's the best way to do it? |
| 06:14.16 | Noboru | obscurite, hmm i meant Xeon from its original design that it does work with only ONE cpu of itself or no ? |
| 06:14.25 | Azar | stupid question: could I install Debian and create say 3 partitions where I can put different distros? say one partition for sarge, one for etch and another for sid? |
| 06:14.27 | jm_ | foo: time |
| 06:14.28 | kozoa | Azar: i have them in /etc/modules but there is: "FATAL: module not found" errors. |
| 06:14.30 | mmmooonnnsssttte | wtf |
| 06:14.38 | jm_ | Azar: of course |
| 06:14.40 | obscurite | Noboru - xeon processors can run single, or double, etc |
| 06:14.47 | Azar | jm_ fun fun |
| 06:14.57 | obscurite | Noboru - I suppose some motherboards might require two CPUs |
| 06:15.00 | Azar | kozoa: try with modconf |
| 06:15.02 | SJr|nx | No I know that it would be mounted as like /mnt/hdc1 but then I'd symlink /home to /mnt/hdc1/home and /usr to /mnt/hdc1/usr |
| 06:15.15 | Azar | but thats soooooo old, xserver configuration should have done it for you |
| 06:15.18 | kozoa | Azar: is that a file or command? |
| 06:15.35 | Azar | kozoa: did you chose psaux and PS/2 ? |
| 06:15.46 | Azar | in xerver reconfiguration |
| 06:15.54 | Azar | err *xserver |
| 06:16.04 | kozoa | Azar: in the config, yes. |
| 06:16.15 | Noboru | obscurite, I see,so its more likely the motherboards indepentence , isee |
| 06:16.22 | Noboru | Thank you |
| 06:16.31 | obscurite | Noboru - are you buying a xeon system? |
| 06:16.32 | Azar | kozoa: hmm play with the 2 buttons, mousewheel configuration maybe something there |
| 06:17.04 | Noboru | obscurite, planning it |
| 06:17.09 | Azar | kozoa: hmm also as last resort try another mouse maybe your mouse is dead |
| 06:17.20 | obscurite | Noboru - most places seem to offer single OR double CPU configurations |
| 06:17.32 | obscurite | Noboru - you should be able to choose without a problem |
| 06:17.44 | Azar | kozoa got all his installation wrong from the beginning |
| 06:17.56 | Noboru | obscurite, most "places' ? |
| 06:18.08 | obscurite | Noboru - most system retailers |
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| 06:18.47 | obscurite | Noboru - vendors/stores/sellers/shops/resellers/etc |
| 06:18.49 | Dj_Spy | question, what do you suggest, proftpd or pure-ftpd, both look quite good |
| 06:18.57 | obscurite | I'm partial to proftpd |
| 06:20.12 | nimak | i've heard good things about vsftpd |
| 06:20.18 | nimak | but i use proftpd |
| 06:20.36 | Gumby | anyone know of any video editing software that will let me cut/save a chunk out of an mpeg |
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| 06:21.24 | cast | Gumby: mencoder will if you know the second offsets |
| 06:21.34 | obscurite | I find proftpd really easy to maintain, and I like that it integrates with apache if needed. |
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| 06:21.42 | Gumby | cast: hrm, I'll look into that th |
| 06:21.43 | Gumby | x |
| 06:21.52 | Noboru | obscurite, :) |
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| 06:22.16 | nimak | obscurite, integrates with apache? |
| 06:22.25 | cast | Gumby: should be something like mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -ss SECONDS -o output and either hit ctrl-c when its copied enough, or maybe use another switch? i cant remember |
| 06:22.29 | Noboru | obscurite, but may i know...Xeon is quite different in performace on a server compare to a modern Pentium 4 ? |
| 06:22.37 | Noboru | performance* |
| 06:22.51 | cast | vsftpd here :> |
| 06:22.54 | nimak | Gumby, just split it into two files, and pray that they play |
| 06:23.41 | obscurite | Noboru - I think Pentium-D (dual core) is adequate for most server apps. Xeon's tend to go in the more expandable systems. more drive bays, ram slots, etc. |
| 06:23.41 | unix_infidel | anyone know if you issue lpr on a doc or pdf file on a RHEL4 server, will it properly print those files with correct formatting?> |
| 06:24.28 | obscurite | nimak: i like that i can use htpasswd style auth to manage apache/DAV access and FTP access in one command |
| 06:24.39 | Noboru | obscurite, I see :) |
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| 06:25.43 | nimak | anyone know if an mpg split into multiple files will play? |
| 06:26.07 | nimak | i can play half-downloaded videos sometimes |
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| 06:26.56 | cast | nimak: first one will. obviously |
| 06:27.24 | nimak | i should try this |
| 06:27.30 | nimak | too lazy, though |
| 06:27.35 | kozoa | what is the full command to find a string among a directory of files using grep? |
| 06:27.58 | obscurite | kozoa - ls -l | grep string |
| 06:28.00 | karsten | kozoa: grep -r will recuse. |
| 06:28.13 | obscurite | kozoa - oh, just grep |
| 06:28.25 | karsten | kozoa: Otherwise: find <path> <expressions> -print0 | xargs -0 grep <options> <expression> |
| 06:28.29 | obscurite | nevermind. i totally misunderstood that. |
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| 06:28.57 | karsten | kozoa: eg: find /etc -type f -mtime -5 -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l exim |
| 06:29.18 | karsten | kozoa: ... will search all files under /etc modified in the past 5 days, printing the names of those containing the string 'exim'. |
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| 06:29.39 | Zugschlus | karsten: thanks for the hilight ;) |
| 06:29.43 | karsten | kozoa: While you can use recursive grep w/o invoking find, find does enough neat stuff of itself that it's useful. |
| 06:30.04 | karsten | Zugschlus: War nichts. |
| 06:30.08 | obscurite | karsten: what are the advantages of -print0 / -0 |
| 06:30.18 | Zugschlus | obscurite: handles spaces in file names |
| 06:30.23 | karsten | obscurite: Handles files with whitespace characters in names. |
| 06:30.33 | obscurite | zugschlus, karsten, ahh right thank you :) |
| 06:30.44 | karsten | obscurite: Eg: "2004 World Domination Plans Progress Report.doc". |
| 06:30.57 | kozoa | karsten: i thought it would be simpler than that. say i find to find the string 'startx' in the files in /etc/init.d. what would be the command? |
| 06:30.58 | obscurite | karsten - you work at the white house? |
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| 06:31.15 | karsten | obscurite: More common on 'Doze / Mac files, but not unknown on Linux systems. |
| 06:31.38 | karsten | obscurite: No. I work for the Linux World Domination Ordus Seclorum. |
| 06:32.23 | jm_ | you won't find startx in /etc/init.d |
| 06:32.24 | Katai | shh, don't say our secret |
| 06:32.38 | karsten | Katai: ;-) |
| 06:33.04 | Katai | ok, I'll kill all the people in the room, I have no choice :P |
| 06:33.12 | action09 | :) |
| 06:33.14 | karsten | kill -9 Katai |
| 06:33.27 | mmmooonnnsssttte | kill me too |
| 06:33.35 | mmmooonnnsssttte | oh yes |
| 06:33.37 | mmmooonnnsssttte | oh yes |
| 06:33.38 | mmmooonnnsssttte | oh |
| 06:33.50 | Katai | is an orgasm ? |
| 06:33.53 | Katai | O.o |
| 06:34.03 | obscurite | mmmooonnnsssttte - what is your problem? |
| 06:34.12 | mmmooonnnsssttte | ? |
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| 06:34.29 | obscurite | all the guy does is lurk and then say weird stuff. |
| 06:35.41 | unstable | lol |
| 06:35.49 | unstable | Who gets off on debian talk? |
| 06:35.59 | obscurite | He did it in #ubuntu too. |
| 06:36.03 | unstable | Aren't there animal porn irc channels that guy can join...or at least #ubuntu or something |
| 06:36.08 | unstable | ahh, makes sense |
| 06:36.09 | obscurite | haha |
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| 06:37.41 | kozoa | jm_: right, no startx in /etc/init.d. where wud i find it? |
| 06:37.57 | jm_ | kozoa: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 06:38.28 | karsten | kozoa: I suspect you're looking for your *dm starter. Likely /etc/init.d/[gkwx]dm |
| 06:38.38 | unstable | jm_: He doens't want to use a dm I imagine, so he is going to make /etc/init.d/startx script to startx? |
| 06:38.49 | karsten | kozoa: Being the standard variants on XDM (X Display Manager). |
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| 06:39.44 | kozoa | jm_: i am trying to locate the run script that exec startx during boot-up. |
| 06:39.50 | jm_ | kozoa: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:40.05 | Katai | cat /etc/init.d/* | grep starx |
| 06:40.27 | Katai | nothing |
| 06:40.37 | Katai | don't read me when I say stupid things plz |
| 06:40.39 | kozoa | Katai: ur command is much simpler than Karsten's. |
| 06:40.40 | stew | uuoc |
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| 06:41.42 | karsten | Katai: It's not called startx. |
| 06:41.54 | karsten | kozoa: ls /etc/init.d/?dm |
| 06:42.22 | karsten | kozoa: Should list a program. The '?' will match any one character. That's the init script you want to either disable or remove. |
| 06:42.26 | karsten | !tell kozoa about nodm |
| 06:42.49 | Halitherses | Where hhave my buttons icons in evolution gone? I'm using kde 3.5 (etch). |
| 06:42.59 | karsten | stew: Point. |
| 06:43.02 | kozoa | karsten: thks, jm_ has told me about nodm. reading it. |
| 06:43.05 | karsten | !uuoc Katai |
| 06:43.16 | Katai | xDD |
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| 06:43.31 | Halitherses | I have no icons for move, copy , junk etc. in evolution. The icons show up in gnome. |
| 06:44.19 | jm_ | someone mentioned something about gnome-theme-highcolor or similar the other day/week, time to check BTS |
| 06:44.19 | Katai | Halitherses, executa gnome-settings-daemon with evolution |
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| 06:44.40 | Katai | before evolution, sorry |
| 06:44.47 | Halitherses | ok |
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| 06:45.18 | Luftzig | ok, I defined some keysyms yesterday using xmodmap and they were no kept since the last time I restarted X... why, oh why? |
| 06:45.34 | pingouin | !tell pinky about nodm |
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| 06:45.53 | pingouin | damn it |
| 06:45.56 | pingouin | sorry pinky |
| 06:46.07 | stew | Luftzig: you want to make an .xmodmap ; and run "xmodmap .xmodmap" in your .xsession |
| 06:46.18 | Halitherses | that worked xchat and evolution look different now |
| 06:46.25 | Halitherses | that worked xchat and evolution look different now |
| 06:46.39 | Luftzig | stew... thanks. |
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| 06:46.47 | kozoa | karsten: read the nodm. curious, how does debian boot to a dm then? |
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| 06:47.28 | pingouin | !tell pingouin about nodm |
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| 06:48.53 | karsten | kozoa: If you install an X display manager, it creates a SysV init entry, and that entry is run as part of the standard boot process. |
| 06:49.15 | karsten | kozoa: This differs from most RPM based systems which use inittab to control starting of X and X display managers. |
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| 06:49.35 | karsten | kozoa: The latter doesn't allow for package-level control over X startup. |
| 06:50.04 | jm_ | karsten: yes it does |
| 06:50.06 | karsten | kozoa: The compromise is that the Debian way doesn't provide for the opt-out of setting a default runlevel w/o an X display running. |
| 06:50.21 | stew | karsten: sure it does |
| 06:50.51 | karsten | jm_: It's a lot trickier to modify a file in place than it is to drop a known, assured, won't-be-owned-by-another-package config file. |
| 06:51.16 | kozoa | karsten: in the boot to kdm login, the sytem goes thro x-window too. i can see the coarse grain screen with a big 'X', before the kdm login screen appears. |
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| 06:51.44 | jm_ | karsten: when have you last check any RH system? they use /etc/X11/prefdm script to do the job, and have config file which tells it DM to use |
| 06:51.50 | karsten | kozoa: You can set your own runlevel preferences (update-rc.d) but that's not the standard config. Mind: it's pretty trivial once you understand the process. |
| 06:52.07 | karsten | jm_: Ah, the standard RH four-levels-of-indirection way? |
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| 06:52.21 | karsten | jm_: .. and nodm is specified how in that world? |
| 06:52.21 | mlowe | only 4 ? |
| 06:52.41 | karsten | mlowe: It's an off night. |
| 06:52.42 | jm_ | karsten: no, it's still using runlevel 5 for it, but it allows for package management changes |
| 06:52.46 | cybermike | Can anyone recomend a good NMS , i prefer to hear from someone who actually has experience in the field, so please dont ask me to try nagios unless you have good experiences with it :) |
| 06:52.53 | karsten | jm_: That wasn't what I said. |
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| 06:53.15 | mlowe | gee, they must have hired a better then average it person |
| 06:53.24 | karsten | jm_: In Debian, adding the _package_ determines whether or not the init mechanism is present. |
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| 06:54.01 | karsten | jm_: In RH, runlevel 5 _always_ attempts to start the X display manager, via inittab. I think ;-) |
| 06:54.23 | karsten | jm_: If you don't want to run (or haven't installed) an XDM, in RH/FC you'd set default runlevel to 3. |
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| 06:55.00 | karsten | jm_: Working out the X environment to run is a different problem. |
| 06:55.17 | jm_ | karsten: only if *dm is actually installed, otherwise it won't do anything - pretty similar to Debian |
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| 06:56.13 | karsten | jm_: By what means? Changing initdefault? |
| 06:56.33 | SexyKen | I'm getting an error that says: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/verdana.tt is not readable or doesn't exist |
| 06:56.37 | SexyKen | Where can I find this (in what package? |
| 06:56.41 | jm_ | karsten: no, no changes needed - the script to run a dm will simply exit if none of the *dm-s are installed |
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| 06:57.44 | karsten | jm_: Which validates what I'd said. |
| 06:57.55 | jm_ | karsten: how does it validate it then? |
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| 06:58.04 | karsten | jm_: RH attempts to invoke an X startup. |
| 06:58.07 | dubbaluga | hi! which package do I have to install, so that ld does not complain about this missing library: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lintl |
| 06:58.24 | karsten | jm_: If you remove all XDMs from a Debian system, there's no init hook at all. |
| 06:58.49 | SexyKen | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:58.52 | karsten | jm_: It's a somewhat subtle distinction, but it is a valid distinction. |
| 06:58.52 | Rizzer | SexyKen: dlocate is handy for matching files to packages. Or dpkg -S if dlocate won't work |
| 06:59.01 | Agrajag- | gday. when i install mono, mono apps that i run from the command line (which 'file' tells me are windows executables) are somehow run by mono (jit). how does this happen? |
| 06:59.16 | kozoa | karsten: jm_: i have been looking for material on the boot-up process to dm. where is the source to read up on this? |
| 06:59.27 | karsten | kozoa: /etc/init.d/README |
| 06:59.32 | jm_ | karsten: it's irrelevant in practice, it works equally well - not that I like using a different runlevel, I prefer Debian's way, which is also found in other Unices |
| 06:59.34 | karsten | kozoa: ... will point you in the right direction. |
| 06:59.46 | kozoa | karsten: thks. |
| 06:59.48 | SexyKen | Rizzer: It doesn't find anything |
| 07:00.01 | karsten | kozoa: /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/ is where the additional docs are. |
| 07:00.14 | kozoa | thks again. |
| 07:00.24 | Rizzer | SexyKen: might be a derived file? Did you search against verdana? |
| 07:00.31 | SexyKen | Yes. |
| 07:00.32 | SexyKen | verdana |
| 07:00.36 | karsten | jm_: I find the Debian method more elegant. It's guaranteed to work (so long as packages comply with policy) because of Debian policy, control over config files, etc. |
| 07:00.45 | jm_ | SexyKen: msttcorefonts? |
| 07:00.53 | jm_ | karsten: sure |
| 07:01.33 | SexyKen | jm: No installation candidate |
| 07:01.49 | karsten | jm_: I'd have to look closely at the RH methods, fortunately I haven't had the need for some time. I still remember the breath of fresh air going through the config and init scripts of my first Debian box was, after dealing with RH. |
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| 07:02.22 | _rene_ | SexyKen: contrib. |
| 07:02.22 | jm_ | SexyKen: well verdana is a Microsoft font, so you must have gotten it from somewhere in the past |
| 07:02.31 | karsten | jm_: ... and I still find myself wondering just how it is RH manages to make simple shit so confusing when I go back to it. Not infrequently, but also not as a general-purpose, primary-use system. |
| 07:02.38 | _rene_ | obviously. since it installs non-free stuff :-) |
| 07:02.46 | kozoa | karsten: i can safely follow the dpkg nodm instructions to remove stuff? |
| 07:03.08 | jm_ | karsten: RH has improved a lot there too ;) |
| 07:03.29 | SJr|nx | Lets say I connect a scsi hard disk to a machine, I have usb_storage enabled, and it says that host scsi1 is the drive. But I don't have /dev/sda as a device. How can I find the device? |
| 07:03.31 | karsten | kozoa: Should work. No guarantees, of course. |
| 07:03.57 | SlayerXP | the thing with RH that always makes me grind their teeth is their overengineered network scripts |
| 07:04.05 | kozoa | karsten: don't quite understand this part though: and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed. 'friends' refer to what or who? |
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| 07:04.10 | jm_ | SlayerXP: or wingdings ;) |
| 07:04.18 | SlayerXP | jm_: webdings perhaps? :) |
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| 07:05.53 | kozoa | and then there is 'echo' command after the NEWSFLASH. should that be run too? |
| 07:06.09 | jm_ | kozoa: one of the methods, no need to use them all |
| 07:06.40 | jm_ | SJr|nx: logs, /proc/partitions |
| 07:06.42 | kozoa | jm_: thks. |
| 07:07.32 | karsten | kozoa: "andn friends" refers to one of the set of x display managers: xdm, wdm, gdm, or kdm. |
| 07:07.44 | karsten | kozoa: Odds are good you've got gdm (gnome) or kdm (kde) installed. |
| 07:08.08 | karsten | kozoa: xdm is the old-style original X Display Manager. wdm is the WindowMaker / Openstep Display Manager. |
| 07:08.52 | karsten | kozoa: They all perform effectivley the same task: start up X, provide a login prompt, query remote systems if you're running XDMCP (to log onto a remote system using X11). |
| 07:08.52 | kozoa | karsten: thks. got to go and try things out. |
| 07:08.57 | karsten | kozoa: NP. |
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| 07:11.08 | godless | my home system hd |
| 07:11.15 | godless | heh. sorry for that |
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| 07:11.36 | Crissi | hello |
| 07:12.25 | Crissi | how i can tell apt to limit the bandwidth to a specific level (50 kb/s for example)? |
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| 07:14.14 | cast | hmm. `mail` doesn't seem to do attachments that i can see. any ideas on how to script a email with attachments? |
| 07:14.28 | Crissi | yes |
| 07:14.35 | Crissi | use sendEmail |
| 07:14.46 | action09 | hi all ! i must install oowriter or some other things to read .sxw files ? i have only abiword and can't read it :( |
| 07:14.52 | tejing | crissi: I'm not sure, but I know I've seen an option for it somewhere.... have you checked manpages? |
| 07:14.56 | Crissi | http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Software/SendEmail/ |
| 07:15.00 | Crissi | its a perl script |
| 07:15.13 | Crissi | tejing: yes.. none found |
| 07:15.14 | cast | doh. i'm sure there must be a debian pkg to do the same thing |
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| 07:15.48 | _rene_ | action09: yes |
| 07:16.02 | action09 | _rene_ ok thanks |
| 07:16.14 | Crissi | cast: http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Software/SendEmail/snapshot-v1.50.png |
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| 07:16.58 | SJr|nx | Okay here is a worse question, it seems that somehow /dev/sda* got deleted, the hard disk gets attached as /dev/sda how can I fix this. |
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| 07:17.27 | SlayerXP | SJr|nx: it got deleted how? |
| 07:17.36 | Crissi | SJr|nx: use mknode if you dont use udev |
| 07:17.41 | Crissi | mknod |
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| 07:18.13 | Crissi | in /usr/src/linux/documentation/devices.txt you will find info how to use it |
| 07:18.23 | Crissi | Documentation |
| 07:18.40 | tejing | crissi: have you checked the apt.conf manpage, under "the aquire group" ? |
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| 07:19.01 | Halitherses | what is some good software to allow me to easily download and upload whole web sites? |
| 07:19.17 | Crissi | tejing: not yet.. will do.. thx |
| 07:19.21 | SlayerXP | Halitherses: using what protocol? |
| 07:19.27 | Halitherses | ftp |
| 07:19.44 | tejing | helltherses: wget might do the trick |
| 07:19.44 | SJr|nx | ah thanks |
| 07:19.46 | SlayerXP | Halitherses: ncftp perhaps |
| 07:19.47 | jm_ | cast: mutt can add attachments on command line |
| 07:20.03 | cast | jm_: yeah, just worked that out :> |
| 07:20.03 | Halitherses | thanks |
| 07:20.33 | tejing | crissi: upon closer inspection, no luck there :-( |
| 07:20.41 | Crissi | but... nothing about bandwidth |
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| 07:20.47 | Crissi | yes :( |
| 07:20.52 | karsten | Crissi: I don't believe apt supports bw limiting. In general you probably wouldn't want to do that. You _can_ set network QoS rules to expediate things like SSH traffic. |
| 07:21.12 | Crissi | i think thats a case for debian development |
| 07:21.18 | Crissi | i'll ask there |
| 07:21.28 | Crissi | so it can be done for etch |
| 07:21.34 | gilianima | What programmation language should I use to be able to read a word pointed by the mouse cursor, in any window ? |
| 07:21.36 | karsten | Crissi: If you've got multiple systems you're updating, you want apt-proxy. |
| 07:22.06 | Crissi | karsten: i know taht but it doest solve the problem. |
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| 07:24.35 | litage | when i try to use growisofs to burn to dvd an iso that i created using either mkisofs or growisofs, this error keeps occuring. any suggestions as to what i should do?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eyNTZo84.html |
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| 07:27.07 | SexyKen | I know thi sis dumb |
| 07:27.07 | SexyKen | but |
| 07:27.15 | SexyKen | how does 24 hour tme work? |
| 07:27.19 | SexyKen | 6:00 is am or pm |
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| 07:27.31 | jm_ | am ;) |
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| 07:27.40 | SexyKen | thnks :-P |
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| 07:28.06 | foot | Is there a straightforward way to prevent a single application from accessing the internet? Without becoming an iptables zen master? |
| 07:28.38 | jm_ | foot: outgoing connections? owner module might help |
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| 07:29.46 | kozoa | karsten: jm_: the system boot-up as usula after removing those *dm. but the system won't boot-up to graphical mode if i don't specify default-display-manager in the /etc/X11 file. |
| 07:29.50 | liable | litage: cdrecord writes cd's ok? |
| 07:29.51 | foot | jm_: owner module? How might I look this up? apt-cache search ___ |
| 07:30.07 | jm_ | foot: man iptables and search for owner |
| 07:30.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:30.16 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:30.24 | foot | oh i see :) |
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| 07:31.42 | foot | jm_: any chance you want to spoon-feed me? |
| 07:31.43 | litage | liable: yes |
| 07:32.29 | foot | I really don't want to read 55 pages of CLI commands and grok some entirely foreign microcosm of nested insanity |
| 07:32.58 | minerale | Is there any way to 'save' the xvidtune settings, I loose the display location/fix after rebooting |
| 07:33.14 | SimonRaven | foot: i guess typing /owner is too hard, eh |
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| 07:33.57 | foot | man iptables | grep owner |
| 07:34.39 | foot | the chances of me _guessing_ the right thing is slim |
| 07:35.17 | liable | foot: try guarddog. |
| 07:35.28 | foot | i dont have kde installed |
| 07:35.39 | jm_ | iptables tutorial has examples |
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| 07:35.43 | jm_ | !iptables tutorial |
| 07:35.43 | dpkg | i guess iptables tutorial is http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 07:35.58 | liable | litage: not a pioneer is it? thats the only thing google brings up. |
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| 07:36.14 | foot | why o why must i read some huge tutorial for every tiny adjustment |
| 07:36.44 | jetscreamer | lokkit is the most simplistic |
| 07:36.52 | kozoa | karsten: may be u can help. what leads me to these *dm is the strange problem i have been having for a while now. and it is like this: after boot-up, the mouse is inoperable in the kdm login scree. but when i switch to text mode with a alt-ctrl-f1 and then back to kdm with a alt-f7, the mouse becomes operable. what could be the problem? |
| 07:36.59 | liable | foot: cause you like learning and expanding your horisons! |
| 07:37.04 | foot | :) |
| 07:37.10 | jetscreamer | just don't let it install gnome-lokkit (it will try) |
| 07:37.16 | foot | yes |
| 07:37.26 | jm_ | minerale: it can print them in the terminal and you can then paste it into the config file |
| 07:37.32 | foot | but sometimes I just want to learn about other things than cli commands |
| 07:37.58 | liable | foot: so find out what it is, implement it, then forget it :) |
| 07:38.26 | foot | i'm glad you can be so positive about it *groan* |
| 07:38.32 | litage | liable: yeah, it's a Pioneer. dvd+rw-mediainfo spits this out: [PIONEER ][DVD-RW DVR-110D][1.11] |
| 07:38.47 | foot | thanks. |
| 07:39.36 | liable | litage: the only hit was for ubuntu.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24605 |
| 07:40.09 | foot | you'd think you could tell xchm to work offline. |
| 07:40.12 | karsten | kozoa: Not sure. |
| 07:40.46 | karsten | kozoa: Used to be that gpm (not gdm), a console mouse tool, would conflict with X11. |
| 07:40.57 | karsten | kozoa: What sort of mouse do you have? USB, ps2, serial? |
| 07:41.06 | kozoa | karsten: usb |
| 07:41.14 | Halitherses | ncftp does not seem to have the smarts to download a directory tree |
| 07:41.34 | karsten | Halitherses: Use lftp, wget, or (IIRC) mc. |
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| 07:41.50 | karsten | Halitherses: wget and lftp can mirror for certain. |
| 07:41.54 | kozoa | karsten: and i have not installed gpm. |
| 07:42.06 | Halitherses | i take that back I just tried get -R and it works! |
| 07:42.12 | karsten | Halitherses: ;-) |
| 07:42.30 | Halitherses | was not documented in the man page |
| 07:42.40 | karsten | Halitherses: File a bug. Seriously. |
| 07:42.46 | Halitherses | ok |
| 07:42.57 | karsten | kozoa: I'm really not sure and am not up on figuring this out right now. |
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| 07:43.57 | Halitherses | I doubled checked get -R is documented in the man page, nevermind |
| 07:44.11 | kozoa | karsten: i have 2 partitions, one running kernel-2.6.8 and another 2.6.15. booting up with 2.6.8 has no such problem. what i notice is that in 2.6.8, i can see the x-window screen before the kdm login screen appears but not in the case of booting 2.6.15. |
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| 07:47.00 | karsten | kozoa: Which X server you're using (x.org v. xfree86) and what mouse drivers (/dev/mouse/mice IIRC vs. /dev/psaux) will matter more than that. |
| 07:47.30 | SimonRaven | /dev/input/mice |
| 07:47.33 | karsten | kozoa: You'll also want to check /var/log/X*0.log and ~/.xsession-errors. |
| 07:47.37 | karsten | SimonRaven: Thanks. |
| 07:47.42 | karsten | kozoa: ^^ SimonRaven |
| 07:47.46 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 07:48.00 | karsten | SimonRaven: Are there also output mice? |
| 07:48.14 | jm_ | 2.6 will also list recognized input devices in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 07:48.41 | SimonRaven | /dev/gerbil |
| 07:48.43 | karsten | kozoa: I'm about dead for the night. Channel should be able to help. SimonRaven and jm_ both know more than me ;-) |
| 07:49.01 | kozoa | karsten: thks. won't bother anymore. |
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| 07:49.18 | SimonRaven | i've been up for 16 hours, working like a dog |
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| 07:49.42 | kozoa | and u should be sleeping like a log. |
| 07:50.04 | karsten | But when I get home to you / I find the things that you do / They make me feel all right... |
| 07:50.11 | cybermike | when is the next debian stable going to be released? |
| 07:50.17 | jm_ | !wwer |
| 07:50.17 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 07:50.20 | karsten | cybermike: When it always is. |
| 07:50.20 | kozoa | it's been a hard day night. |
| 07:50.23 | karsten | When it's ready. |
| 07:50.44 | cybermike | karsten: but there arent any estimates around? |
| 07:50.53 | cybermike | i mean as far as i remember sarge is 2 years old now? |
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| 07:52.16 | karsten | cybermike: RTFL. |
| 07:52.23 | litage | liable: thanks for that ubuntu link |
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| 07:52.53 | cybermike | karsten: ? Am i not being polite towards you? |
| 07:52.54 | liable | litage: no problem. |
| 07:53.11 | karsten | cybermike: Read the link. |
| 07:53.34 | karsten | cybermike: I don't have any better info than it does. |
| 07:53.37 | cybermike | thanks :) |
| 07:53.45 | kozoa | karsten: still not missing your sleep? |
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| 07:55.23 | karsten | kozoa: ;-) |
| 07:55.43 | LoneWlf | wish me luck |
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| 07:57.34 | liable | he said winks.. not .. |
| 07:57.44 | karsten | liable: nudge, nudge.... |
| 07:57.57 | liable | say no more! |
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| 08:00.33 | insidius | Liable? I have a quick question if you dont mind? |
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| 08:02.40 | liable | insidius: ask away, hopefully someone can answer.. |
| 08:04.10 | insidius | When setting up RSA for ssh, i have to create the authorized_keys file in my user dir for that user right? Well can i use nano to create that file. I keep getting told to do it like this cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 08:04.41 | SlayerXP | insidius: it's a text file, edit it in any way that makes you comfortable |
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| 08:05.06 | liable | insidius: as SlayerXP says, anything will do, just that cat is quick :) |
| 08:05.28 | insidius | Oh thanks god slayer thank you so much! :-) and you liable phew i only like nano for some reason |
| 08:05.41 | dam_ned | insidius: remember that nano can wrap lines, so make sure you have one line per host |
| 08:05.47 | auhea | hello i'v installed a debian distro on a slave hd drive on my computer.. i want to put the hard drive as master now.. what do i need to change to boot correctly my debian after that? |
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| 08:06.11 | insidius | Soon i will be able to help people here with small things! well i hopoe :-) |
| 08:06.36 | litage | does NEROlinux require X, or can it be used from the cli? |
| 08:07.24 | liable | auhea: fstab and grub |
| 08:08.37 | auhea | well.. i use lilo.. will i need to make a new initrd for my kernel or something? what about mtab? will i need to change it too? |
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| 08:09.07 | liable | auhea: well, fstab and lilo.conf and put lilo into the mbr of that drive |
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| 08:09.47 | michal_ | is there any way to find out the system front side bus under linux? |
| 08:09.58 | auhea | ok thx liable :) |
| 08:10.23 | dam_ned | auhea: and keep some bootcd ready in case you mess up :) |
| 08:10.31 | auhea | lol yea |
| 08:10.36 | auhea | :P |
| 08:12.07 | michal_ | anyone know of any way to get this info?? something like cpuz for windows that can report fsb :/ |
| 08:12.21 | karsten | insidius: A one-liner: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh user@remotehost 'mkdir ~/.ssh; touch ~/.ssh/authorized_keys; cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys; chmod 400 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys' |
| 08:12.50 | karsten | insidius: ... takes care of the whole process in one step. You'll have to enter the password for remotehost. |
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| 08:13.14 | karsten | insidius: You'll also probably want to make sure you're running ssh-agent, and do 'ssh-add' to update your keys. |
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| 08:13.23 | jms | hello |
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| 08:13.53 | insidius | Karsten: i have been following this guide: http://students.odl.qmul.ac.uk/studentserver/publickeys.php |
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| 08:14.17 | insidius | What do i need first and foremost for normal everyday ssh? I think i already have it just wanna make sure |
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| 08:14.37 | michal_ | looks like i have to reboot the server and boot off a windows cd :( |
| 08:14.59 | mmmooonnnsssttte | i haven't touched micro-poof vindoose n three years |
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| 08:15.02 | insidius | you could always try sourceforge michal_ |
| 08:15.09 | redmonkey | there is a windows livecd?! |
| 08:15.16 | michal_ | bartpe |
| 08:16.00 | redmonkey | oh, i see |
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| 08:18.46 | foot | mmkay, so i'm knee-deep in iptables stuff. Can anyone tell me if this script makes a _permanent_ rule concerning the process id or if it will reset when the process terminates? |
| 08:18.51 | foot | http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/scripts/sid-owner.txt |
| 08:19.00 | mmmooonnnsssttte | mkay |
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| 08:19.36 | kameron | i'm on a live cd, trying to format a drive, but the swap partition from it is being used, how do i unmount it? |
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| 08:20.30 | foot | bah. crap. nvm, it didn't work anyway. :( |
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| 08:20.45 | liable | foot: the iptables path is wrong. |
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| 08:20.54 | liable | kartik: boot it with noswap option |
| 08:21.07 | foot | liable, i know, I erased the path before using it |
| 08:21.30 | kartik | liable, ? |
| 08:21.34 | foot | and changed the 'grep httpd' to 'grep xchm' |
| 08:21.44 | liable | kartik: soory |
| 08:21.44 | foot | why o why. |
| 08:21.49 | liable | kameron: ^^^ |
| 08:22.09 | jm_ | kameron: or use swapoff if you can |
| 08:22.26 | kameron | just got help from someone else to use the swapoff command, thanks jm_ and liable |
| 08:22.53 | kameron | kind of strange. i'd think you should be able to unmount it like any other partition. but there's probably more to it than that, which is why swapoff handles things. |
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| 08:23.47 | foot | is there not a connection-based firewall for debian? that simply asks permission before allowing any outbound traffic? do you people really write three lines of code every time you want to change such a thing? |
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| 08:30.39 | j4v4m4n | how to create a debian package to associte with a manually installed package like sun java or firefox |
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| 08:30.48 | tejing | little issue that's been bugging me: when I start up my debian setup, the keyboard works fine until kdm starts up my X server, at which point not lkeyboard interaction works, not even ctrl+alt+f1, etc. I have to click the little menu on the kdm greeter and select "console login" at which point the keyboard works again, and I log in as root and /etc/init.d/kdm restart, and the keyboard works fine. I notice after I have this problem that I have all kinds of od |
| 08:30.50 | j4v4m4n | so that apt is made aware of its presense |
| 08:31.04 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: for Java, read the topic, for Firefox, use Debian's package |
| 08:31.33 | j4v4m4n | jm_, java and firefox are just examples |
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| 08:32.03 | j4v4m4n | jm_, I want a generic way to associate a software to associate to a debian package |
| 08:32.07 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: then create packages yourself if you want Debian to know about it |
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| 08:32.42 | liable | tejing: you were cut off at 'kinds of odd' |
| 08:32.50 | jm_ | alternatively use tools like equivs or checkinstall |
| 08:33.36 | j4v4m4n | jm_, I think I was looking for equivs |
| 08:33.39 | j4v4m4n | jm_, let me dig a bit deeper about it |
| 08:33.50 | j4v4m4n | jm_, I have seen it somewhere and forgot the name |
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| 08:34.00 | tejing | liable: thanks for the heads up, here's the rest: characters showing up on VT2, the more I typed with no effect in X, the more random chars... and login does react to those characters and redisplay the login prompt after the timeout.... ok, that was long, any ideas? |
| 08:34.11 | Dabian | Hiya |
| 08:34.55 | Dabian | I have a question about an errormessage I get in SID. I know I am on my own in SID, but just wondering if you have any thoughts. Here is the message: "E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages (2)" |
| 08:35.39 | jm_ | Dabian: tried apt-get update? |
| 08:35.47 | Dabian | jm_ : More than once. |
| 08:35.52 | liable | hrm, no direct rendering with xorg7. |
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| 08:36.11 | jm_ | Dabian: does it at least exist? |
| 08:36.18 | Dabian | liable_: xorg7 is experimental. |
| 08:36.27 | Dabian | jm_ : Lemme check .. |
| 08:36.39 | liable | Dabian: it is? |
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| 08:37.01 | Dabian | jm_: Sure does |
| 08:37.25 | Dabian | jm_: Seems like its "incomplete" though ... |
| 08:37.26 | jm_ | Dabian: then its structure is not right, it is similar to /var/lib/dpkg/(status|available) |
| 08:38.11 | Dabian | jm_: Its in the end .. the file is incomplete! Here is the last two lines (the last one doesn't have LF): |
| 08:38.13 | Dabian | Description: Cross-platform path specification manipulation |
| 08:38.14 | Dabian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:38.26 | jm_ | Dabian: try downloading it by hand |
| 08:38.36 | Dabian | jm_ : Deleting it wont help? |
| 08:38.45 | jm_ | Dabian: well you can try that first |
| 08:39.36 | Dabian | jm_: Right .. I moved the file .. now running apt-get update.. |
| 08:39.59 | krassy1809 | How i can setup and configure a USB webcam to make posiible a video meeting in the internet ? |
| 08:40.01 | Dabian | jm_: Bingo! :-D |
| 08:40.30 | Dabian | jm_: I guess its just an insignificant bug in apt-get then. |
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| 08:41.19 | jm_ | Dabian: no, I don't think this is a bug |
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| 08:41.36 | Matteo_01 | good morning all |
| 08:41.53 | Matteo_01 | i need help in configuring the net |
| 08:41.56 | Dabian | jm_: Right .. I am not going to report it anyhow. However, I do think that it would be a cool feature, if apt was able to recover from a crash by itself though. |
| 08:41.59 | Matteo_01 | can someone help me |
| 08:42.02 | Matteo_01 | ? |
| 08:42.17 | Dabian | Matteo_01 : Yes, someone can help you. |
| 08:42.23 | Matteo_01 | haha |
| 08:42.26 | Matteo_01 | ok thank you |
| 08:42.29 | Dabian | np :) |
| 08:42.36 | Matteo_01 | i am using mepis |
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| 08:42.44 | jm_ | Dabian: it would work if Packages file on the mirror was newer as it would be redownloaded, I think in your case update just didn't fetch it |
| 08:42.45 | krassy1809 | Matteo_01:What you need to configure ? |
| 08:42.49 | Matteo_01 | i configured and installed ndiswrapper |
| 08:42.58 | jm_ | Matteo_01: then you should ask in #mepis |
| 08:43.05 | Matteo_01 | ohh sorry |
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| 08:43.14 | Matteo_01 | i am a very new new on linux |
| 08:43.30 | Matteo_01 | but the problem is the net not mepis i guess |
| 08:43.31 | Dabian | jm_ : Ahh .. so either the date has been wrong on my system, or the error would have been fixed by itself as soon as there was a newer list. |
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| 08:43.40 | krassy1809 | Matteo_01:do you have a NIC installed ? |
| 08:43.52 | Matteo_01 | mayday |
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| 08:43.58 | jm_ | Dabian: that's my assumption, would be easy to verify though |
| 08:43.59 | Matteo_01 | nic installed i don't know |
| 08:44.08 | Dabian | jm_: How? |
| 08:44.16 | Matteo_01 | the problem is that only skype goe's on the internet |
| 08:44.22 | krassy1809 | Matteo_01:network adapter is NIC |
| 08:44.29 | Dabian | Matteo_01: Don't use skype. |
| 08:44.31 | Matteo_01 | all the rest don't rich the net |
| 08:44.32 | jm_ | Dabian: fuck up the file again, set timestamp for it in the past, try update |
| 08:44.33 | Matteo_01 | :-) |
| 08:44.36 | Olli | hey all, can sombody tell me in which package I can find libdl.so.2, I've been searching all over the place but can't find it |
| 08:44.44 | liable | hahaha, from Marco Diitri .. Because it's initramfs-tools which tends to break people's systems |
| 08:44.47 | Olli | I thought libc6? |
| 08:44.51 | Matteo_01 | why no skype ? |
| 08:45.04 | Dabian | !tell Matteo_01 about VoIP |
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| 08:45.17 | Matteo_01 | !tell |
| 08:45.41 | Dabian | jm_: Hmm .. so "touch" with a date far in the future would give a newbie a serious problem? |
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| 08:46.45 | krassy1809 | Matteo_01:May be you don`t have a corect DNS configuration |
| 08:46.45 | Matteo_01 | no it is correct |
| 08:46.45 | Matteo_01 | i have a router |
| 08:46.45 | Matteo_01 | it is ok with the lan |
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| 08:46.46 | Matteo_01 | when i connect it on the router directly the LAN it is ok |
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| 08:46.54 | Matteo_01 | but the firewall on the other pc |
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| 08:47.11 | Matteo_01 | see the same mac of the wireless with 2 different ip |
| 08:47.23 | Matteo_01 | not the firewall the antivirus |
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| 08:48.23 | jm_ | Dabian: well newbie will never know about this file ;) |
| 08:48.47 | Matteo_01 | i am an intelligent newbie :-) |
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| 08:48.59 | krassy1809 | is the router a linux machine ? |
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| 08:49.06 | Matteo_01 | no |
| 08:49.10 | Olli | can somebody help me out with my libdl.so.2 problem? |
| 08:49.15 | Matteo_01 | the router is a modem adsl wireless |
| 08:49.23 | Matteo_01 | usr 9106 |
| 08:49.30 | Matteo_01 | almost famous |
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| 08:49.48 | Matteo_01 | on the desktop i have linux |
| 08:49.55 | Matteo_01 | and the laptop xp |
| 08:49.59 | Matteo_01 | windows xp |
| 08:50.11 | Matteo_01 | i am using the laptop now |
| 08:50.52 | Dabian | jm_: Thats the point ... then again .. i guess its acceptable that you brick your sistem if it crashes during upgrade. |
| 08:51.16 | Dabian | jm_: And i got my problem solved, thanks :-) |
| 08:51.31 | krassy1809 | is the two machines lan connected to the modem ? |
| 08:51.37 | Matteo_01 | not lan |
| 08:51.41 | Matteo_01 | wireless connected |
| 08:51.49 | Matteo_01 | yes |
| 08:51.55 | azeem | Olli: what do you need it for? |
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| 08:52.49 | krassy1809 | is the laptop have a pefect internet ? |
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| 08:52.58 | krassy1809 | perfect |
| 08:53.11 | Matteo_01 | yes |
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| 08:53.35 | Matteo_01 | the laptop anti virus |
| 08:53.37 | Matteo_01 | pccillin |
| 08:53.46 | Matteo_01 | see that i have 2 different ip |
| 08:53.58 | Matteo_01 | for the same usb wireless card of the desktop |
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| 08:54.18 | Matteo_01 | same mac address and 2 different ip from the linux goes on the net |
| 08:54.26 | krassy1809 | what gateway you set on the desktop mashine ? |
| 08:54.57 | Matteo_01 | 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:55.05 | Matteo_01 | same on desktop |
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| 08:55.33 | Matteo_01 | it is obvious that on the desktop i am using only the wifi |
| 08:55.35 | Gumby | Matteo_01: I am coming into this a bit late, but is your DNS setup on the clients? |
| 08:55.53 | Matteo_01 | the dns is the same |
| 08:55.57 | Matteo_01 | 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:55.59 | krassy1809 | Do you meen the desktop linux machine has a same IP address and Gateway ? |
| 08:56.01 | Matteo_01 | as the gateway |
| 08:56.15 | Matteo_01 | no i mean if i ping on the desktop linux machine |
| 08:56.20 | Matteo_01 | ping 192.168.1.4 |
| 08:56.23 | sciboy | Well shit.... I need nvidia-glx-legacy but it isn't Xorg 7 ready. |
| 08:56.24 | Matteo_01 | ping 192.168.1.14 |
| 08:56.29 | Matteo_01 | i have result |
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| 08:56.39 | Matteo_01 | the desktop machine has 2 ip |
| 08:56.50 | Matteo_01 | and only the lan is not connected |
| 08:56.56 | coywolf | how to know a pakage's status in CLI? is it upgradable or not |
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| 08:56.57 | Matteo_01 | only the wireless usb usr |
| 08:57.02 | josep | sciboy - whats the difference between the lecagy and the non-legacy one? |
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| 08:57.13 | Gumby | Matteo_01: and the wifi can ping the local network? |
| 08:57.17 | sciboy | josep, It's version 7174. |
| 08:57.18 | Matteo_01 | no |
| 08:57.23 | Matteo_01 | unfortunetly no |
| 08:57.23 | Dabian | !legacy |
| 08:57.23 | dpkg | hmm... legacy is industry-ese for "crappy old stuff that we hate and that's why we upgraded in the first place but we can't seem to rid of at all and so now we have to support both (the incomprehensible new stuff *and* the crappy old stuff)." --Mark Minasi |
| 08:57.24 | josep | ah, ok |
| 08:57.49 | Gumby | Matteo_01: are you trying to get the wireless working here or are you trying to just get that machine on the net whether it is wired or wireless? |
| 08:57.49 | cunzhang | hi,my hwclock is UTC time ,and I have setted time to CST.why my locale date still UTC time? |
| 08:57.55 | sciboy | josep, The latest drivers does crazy stuff to my computer. |
| 08:58.10 | Dabian | !windows |
| 08:58.10 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 08:58.22 | lord_rob | lol |
| 08:58.32 | Dabian | !windows is also legacy (see that) |
| 08:58.33 | dpkg | This is #Debian, is also legacy (see that), not #bungholes! |
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| 08:58.55 | coywolf | how to know a pakage's status in CLI? is it upgradable or not |
| 08:59.09 | Gumby | coywolf: dpkg -l packagename |
| 08:59.34 | Matteo_01 | i am trying to just get that machine on the net |
| 08:59.36 | Gumby | run apt-get update first |
| 08:59.37 | Matteo_01 | using the wireless |
| 08:59.47 | cunzhang | hi,my hwclock is UTC time ,and I have setted time to CST.why my locale date still UTC time? |
| 08:59.51 | Gumby | Matteo_01: did you load the windows inf into ndiswrapper? |
| 08:59.53 | lord_rob | I was using nvidia-legacy because my geforce 2 is no more supported by new drivers. Now I've dropped proprietary dirvers and use nv. It works well :) |
| 08:59.59 | Dabian | !unlock windows |
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| 09:00.15 | Dabian | dpkg, windows is also legacy (see that) |
| 09:00.15 | dpkg | This is #Debian, is also legacy (see that), not #bungholes! |
| 09:00.19 | Dabian | ? |
| 09:00.22 | fantomas | Hi, have some problems with backports.org. I needed mysql 5.0 and for that I added appropriate record to /etc/apt/preferences. Then I did apt-get update and tried to install mysql-dfsg-5.0 but the package couldn't be found. I manually checked backports record and found all need packages there: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/ |
| 09:00.23 | TraceGreen | Hello, /dev/ram1, /dev/ram0 means ramdisk in linux? |
| 09:00.26 | coywolf | Gumby, can I see if it upgradable? |
| 09:00.28 | sciboy | lord_rob, Can you get hardware acceleration under nv? =| |
| 09:00.35 | coywolf | Gumby, like new versions available |
| 09:00.37 | Gumby | coywolf: have you tried the command? |
| 09:00.42 | coywolf | Gumby, yes |
| 09:00.44 | sciboy | lord_rob, Cause i need GL |
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| 09:01.03 | coywolf | Gumby, it doesn't show what versions it can upgrade to |
| 09:01.14 | Dabian | sciboy : You may want to go nvidia ... |
| 09:01.15 | Dabian | !tell sciboy about nvidia-one-liner |
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| 09:01.22 | Dabian | !tell sciboy about nvidiaoneliner |
| 09:01.26 | Dabian | !tell sciboy about nvidia-oneliner |
| 09:01.28 | Dabian | argh |
| 09:01.30 | Gumby | coywolf: thats now what you asked, you just asked if something would show if its upgradable or not |
| 09:01.36 | sciboy | !tell sciboy about nvidia one liner |
| 09:01.39 | sciboy | !tell sciboy about nvidia one-liner |
| 09:01.46 | Gumby | nvidia one-liner |
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| 09:02.01 | Gumby | <--- used it many times |
| 09:02.21 | Gumby | sciboy: you can also just /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 09:02.25 | Shadowcat | !tell sciboy about abuse |
| 09:02.25 | sciboy | Dabian, Mate, that's completely useless to me. |
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| 09:02.38 | Gumby | doesnt fill up the channel with useless garbage |
| 09:02.44 | Dabian | sciboy : You have no nvidia card? |
| 09:02.59 | sciboy | Dabian, I have an NVIDIA card that doesn't work with the latest drivers. |
| 09:03.06 | Dabian | sciboy : Which card is that? |
| 09:03.08 | coywolf | Gumby, how to show what new version a package can upgrade to? |
| 09:03.08 | lord_rob | sciboy: use nv |
| 09:03.16 | sciboy | Dabian, But nvidia-glx-legacy doesn't like Xorg 7 |
| 09:03.29 | sciboy | lord_rob, But can i get Hardware GL on nv? |
| 09:03.31 | Olli | azeem: i want to install a debian kernel and it keeps whinging about it, can't find it |
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| 09:03.36 | Shadowcat | sciboy: if you're using unstable, WHY ARE YOU EVEN ASKING ABOUT THIS? |
| 09:03.37 | Dabian | sciboy : I am about to buy a "7900gl oc". |
| 09:03.42 | sciboy | lord_rob, I don't want it. I NEED IT. |
| 09:03.48 | azeem | Olli: I think you did something wrong then |
| 09:03.51 | Shadowcat | sciboy: no, the open source driver does NOT have hardware acceleration |
| 09:03.54 | Dabian | Shadowcat : He is hoping to annoy you. |
| 09:03.59 | sciboy | Shadow-Out, Cause it was an accident upgrading Xorg. |
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| 09:04.12 | Shadowcat | sciboy: that isn't our problem |
| 09:04.16 | cunzhang | cunzhang@Debian:~$ date -u |
| 09:04.17 | cunzhang | 2006Äê 04ÔÂ 21ÈÕ ÐÇÆÚÎå 17:04:08 UTC |
| 09:04.18 | Shadowcat | if you can't run unstable, don't run it |
| 09:04.18 | sciboy | Shadow-Out, I had the package on hold which for some odd reason stopped happening. |
| 09:04.27 | lord_rob | sciboy: isn't there preliminary hardware acceleration for geforce2 (guess it's your model) in dri ? |
| 09:04.27 | Shadowcat | sciboy: and get my name right |
| 09:04.29 | Dabian | cunzhang : LANG=C date -u |
| 09:04.43 | sciboy | Shadow-Out, NEVER! |
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| 09:04.49 | Gumby | cunzhang: man date will give you your answer |
| 09:04.52 | lord_rob | sciboy: ask #nvidia |
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| 09:05.00 | sciboy | lord_rob, Geforce 4, and not sure. |
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| 09:05.09 | Dabian | sciboy : Which card have you? |
| 09:05.11 | Shadowcat | he could always throw out all of XOrg and reinstall it again from testing |
| 09:05.18 | sciboy | Dabian, Geforce 4 460 Go |
| 09:05.30 | Dabian | sciboy : Isn't that a rather oldish card? |
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| 09:05.37 | sciboy | Dabian, Yup. |
| 09:05.43 | Dabian | sciboy : Or is it so new I never heard about it. |
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| 09:05.51 | sciboy | Dabian, And i don't have the money to buy a real computer. |
| 09:05.57 | sciboy | Dabian, It's a laptop chip. |
| 09:06.02 | cunzhang | Debian,why I my locale time is UTC time and my UTC time is my locale time?I have tzconfig to set my locale time |
| 09:06.04 | lord_rob | geforce 4 support dropped in latest nvidia drivers ? Could someone remind not to buy something that needs a proprietary crap to work ? thanks |
| 09:06.26 | Shadowcat | no it wasn't dropped |
| 09:06.47 | cunzhang | Debian,cunzhang@Debian:~$ date -u |
| 09:06.47 | cunzhang | Fri Apr 21 17:06:17 UTC 2006 |
| 09:06.47 | cunzhang | cunzhang@Debian:~$ date |
| 09:06.47 | cunzhang | Sat Apr 22 01:06:22 CST 2006 |
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| 09:06.49 | Shadowcat | it's just that debian'x XOrg 7 happens to have more holes in it than Swiss Cheese at the moment |
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| 09:07.03 | Shadowcat | and sciboy here isn't skilled enough to fix it |
| 09:07.07 | Shadowcat | !tell cunzhang about paste |
| 09:07.20 | jm_ | cunzhang: don't flood - and thre's nothing wrong with that |
| 09:07.21 | Dabian | lord_rob : If you can point me to a card that doesn't cost 15-20 times more $$ and has the same performance ... |
| 09:07.21 | cunzhang | Shadowcat,I know |
| 09:07.32 | Shadowcat | cunzhang: THEN FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS |
| 09:07.39 | TraceGreen | Hello, where can I set ramdisk size in kernel? |
| 09:07.40 | lord_rob | Shadowcat: geforce 2 support has been dropped actually (and I have a geforce 2) |
| 09:07.45 | Dabian | lord_rob : Under GNU/Linux that is. ATI driver doesn't even support crappy PCI-e |
| 09:07.56 | cunzhang | Shadowcat,thank you |
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| 09:08.45 | lord_rob | Dabian: I'm on my thinkpad with an ATI r300, using free drivers with glx hardware support. It's not as fast as proprietary ati drivers but I don't play games anyway |
| 09:09.34 | lord_rob | it's fast enough to play dvd smoothly (much faster than vesa mode of course) |
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| 09:12.32 | Dabian | lord_rob : I am about to buy a new MOBO ... it has PCI-express .. so if I go ATI; its text-mode or old used motherboard with AGP. |
| 09:12.33 | cunzhang | hi,Debian.can you help me with time setting? |
| 09:12.54 | nvz | theres not enough time setting in the day |
| 09:12.59 | Dabian | cunzhang : apt-get install hwclock ; man hwclock |
| 09:13.00 | nvz | :P |
| 09:13.04 | jm_ | cunzhang: what is your problem? |
| 09:13.22 | sobersabre | hi... I want to fetch emails for mutt. I am on testing/unstable, and an attempt to apt-get install fetchmail got me nowhere. |
| 09:13.23 | lord_rob | When I used kanotix, manpages were displayed in color. It's not anymore the case now that I'm back on debian proper. How can I display manpages in color ? |
| 09:13.56 | cunzhang | jm_,my hwclock is right ,using UTC time ,and I have set my locale time. |
| 09:14.02 | bus | hi this is your own man BUS in the house |
| 09:14.04 | lord_rob | Dabian: don't free drivers support your card ? |
| 09:14.11 | jm_ | cunzhang: your BIOS clock is set to UTC? |
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| 09:14.38 | cunzhang | jm_,it is right |
| 09:14.52 | Dabian | lord_rob : I am buying a card .. I am planning to nvidia 7900gl ... because I can at least get drivers ... ATI don't have drivers that support PCI-express afaik. |
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| 09:15.11 | bus | what the hell are yu guys talking about |
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| 09:15.31 | jm_ | cunzhang: ok but what exactly is the problem? |
| 09:15.43 | cunzhang | jm_,but date say Sat Apr 22 01:15:09 CST 2006,however 01:16:09 is UTC time |
| 09:15.59 | cunzhang | jm_,Apr 21 17:15:49 UTC 2006 |
| 09:16.02 | jm_ | cunzhang: did you tell Debian that your BIOS clock is set to UTC? |
| 09:16.08 | bus | WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS GOING ON HERE |
| 09:16.10 | lord_rob | Dabian: for proprietary drivers, nvidia is the best; For free drivers, ati is the best IMHO |
| 09:16.14 | POVaddct | ha! mbmon works. i tried acpi, i tried lm_sensors, all failed. but mbmon just works. |
| 09:16.18 | cunzhang | jm_,how can I tell it? |
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| 09:16.52 | jm_ | cunzhang: /msg dpkg utctime |
| 09:16.57 | nvz | man I went from having no job being laid off yesturday morning when I woke up, to having two full time jobs to go to today. one wants me in like 45 minutes and the other wants me later this evening *shrug* gonna find out the true meaning of tired |
| 09:16.59 | bus | I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE IN THE HOUSE |
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| 09:17.32 | cunzhang | thank you ,jm_ |
| 09:17.44 | azeem | bus: this is the support channel of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution |
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| 09:17.48 | jm_ | cunzhang: np |
| 09:17.53 | azeem | bus: please see http://www.debian.org for more information |
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| 09:18.08 | azeem | bus: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to being off-topic |
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| 09:18.32 | azeem | bus: if you have questions or comments about Debian, please ask/voice them in 10 minutes and take your time to learn about Debian in the meantime |
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| 09:18.54 | nvz | I'd check on that caps-lock key too :P |
| 09:18.58 | lordnazgu1 | wow, almost sad i missed it ;) |
| 09:19.16 | lord_rob | no one knows how to display manpages in color ? |
| 09:19.17 | nvz | I should probably go eat something.. its gonna be a _LONG_ day |
| 09:19.48 | nvz | lord_rob: mped the minimum profit editor will syntax-hilight manpages, but I dont know wtf the point of that is |
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| 09:20.30 | lord_rob | nvz: it's easier to read IMHO |
| 09:20.53 | Ace_Wolf | i need help to give access from outside in ssh2 what command to give access ? |
| 09:20.55 | cunzhang | jm_,I still don't know what should I do,in rcS UTC=yes |
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| 09:21.04 | jm_ | cunzhang: yes, that looks fine |
| 09:21.20 | Dabian | lord_rob : I don't see ATI supporting free software ... I don't know why its easier to reverse engineer ATI drivers .. but they're so far behind nvidia, that right now, buying ATI is throwing money down the drain. At least Nvidia is trying to make life possible for people running GNU/Linux. |
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| 09:21.31 | nvz | lord_rob: well you would just change your man pager to something that does syntax hilighting I would imagine or go ask those other people how they do it |
| 09:21.50 | cunzhang | jm_,but what's wrong?ystem Clock set. Local time: Fri Apr 21 17:21:34 UTC 2006. |
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| 09:21.58 | jm_ | cunzhang: was this set when system was booted? |
| 09:22.11 | Dabian | lord_rob : And yes, it /does/ suck that there are no hi-performance gfx-drivers out there... if I knew enough about modern gfx cards, I would probably help coding the drivers myself, if I could find the time. |
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| 09:22.34 | german | can anyone tell me about the unofficial images with latest kernels? |
| 09:22.45 | cunzhang | jm_,hwclock say Sat Apr 22 01:22:17 2006 -0.660322 seconds |
| 09:22.55 | Dabian | lord_rob : s/are no/are no FOSS/ |
| 09:22.56 | nvz | I gotta run.. lots of work to do, deciding which of these jobs I want.. as I obviously cant keep up working two full time jobs very long |
| 09:22.57 | jm_ | cunzhang: did you just set UTC to yes? |
| 09:23.03 | lordnazgu1 | does anyone know of a decent wysiwyg html editor ala dreamweaver? |
| 09:23.12 | Ace_Wolf | any body know about ssh2 to open access ? |
| 09:23.23 | cunzhang | jm_ ,UTC=yes |
| 09:23.27 | str3y | lordnazgu1: nvu is usable |
| 09:23.35 | jm_ | cunzhang: no, I mean did you change this now? |
| 09:23.40 | lordnazgu1 | ace-wolf first make sure you have ssh then /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 09:23.54 | lordnazgu1 | thanx str3y ill check it out |
| 09:23.59 | Dabian | LordNazgul: I don't know dreamweaver very well, but I think there are severeral wysiwyg like html editors. You could also try html-helper mode in GNU Emacs .. I fancy that myself. |
| 09:24.05 | cunzhang | jm_,I don't change rcS |
| 09:24.09 | lord_rob | Dabian: open drivers are fast enough for me (I don't play games, no trolling here ;) |
| 09:24.18 | jm_ | cunzhang: then I would recheck BIOS time |
| 09:24.21 | Ace_Wolf | he started |
| 09:24.23 | Ace_Wolf | now ? |
| 09:24.39 | Dabian | lord_rob : And you obviously don't do much 3D anyhow. |
| 09:24.39 | Ace_Wolf | its ok now ? |
| 09:24.51 | lord_rob | right Dabian |
| 09:24.57 | german | can anyone tell me about the unofficial images with latest kernels? please |
| 09:25.00 | Dabian | lord_rob : I am planning to code OpenGL programs and games ... |
| 09:25.07 | Ace_Wolf | lordnazgu1:Extra argument start |
| 09:25.11 | cunzhang | jm_,how to check BIOS time ?should I go into BIOS to see? |
| 09:25.20 | streuner | german: backports for sarge? |
| 09:25.27 | lord_rob | ah right so it's different Dabian |
| 09:25.32 | cast__ | hmm. so how do i flush the exim4 mailqueue? i've sent some big emails that have saturated my upstream that i'd rather kill now :\ |
| 09:25.34 | Ace_Wolf | lordnazgu1: need to do somethink else ? |
| 09:25.36 | lordnazgu1 | oops try /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 09:25.44 | streuner | german: if you running sarge /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:26.02 | Dabian | lord_rob : I would really like to do so with free drivers .. but rather than waiting forever, I'd rather start coding for nvidia card now, and then switch when ATI is ready .. maybe I learn enough about gfx-cards to even help coding the driver later. |
| 09:26.12 | jm_ | cunzhang: yes |
| 09:26.12 | german | Well, I know there exist ISO images with sarge packages but latest kernels, made by a japanesse guy i think |
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| 09:26.33 | streuner | german: google for 'kmuto' |
| 09:26.33 | Zugschlus | cast__: exipick, exiqgrep, exim -Mrm |
| 09:26.38 | cunzhang | jm_,thank you ,I will try. |
| 09:26.43 | streuner | !listvals kmuto |
| 09:26.45 | german | thanks :) |
| 09:26.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kmuto' by value (8): sarge 2.6.15 ;; hwcheck ;; dl ;; sarge 2.6.12 ;; driver locator ;; hcl ;; sarge 2.6.14 ;; which driver. |
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| 09:27.00 | Ace_Wolf | lordnazgu1: Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdhost1:/etc/init.d# |
| 09:27.02 | streuner | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 09:27.02 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 09:27.21 | Dabian | Hmm .. my class a network was just permbanned from #nvidia. |
| 09:27.21 | lordnazgu1 | ace wolf then you should be good to go |
| 09:27.24 | streuner | german: ^^^ |
| 09:27.29 | Ace_Wolf | thx alot |
| 09:27.31 | Dabian | good buy |
| 09:27.35 | cast__ | Zugschlus: excellent. thanks :) |
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| 09:28.32 | lord_rob | Dabian: then buy nvidia. Add non-free in your sources.list, kernel modules and glx modules are well integrated in debian sid |
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| 09:29.43 | insidius | how do i find out which version of debian i am using? |
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| 09:30.23 | streuner | insidius: via libc6 |
| 09:30.35 | liable | hrm, xorg log says dri is enabled, glxinfo says its not, and glxgears dont turn |
| 09:30.53 | streuner | insidius: or/and via your sources.list |
| 09:31.05 | TraceGreen | Hello, does xorg need any kernel support? |
| 09:31.12 | streuner | no |
| 09:31.23 | TraceGreen | such as video card driver? |
| 09:31.31 | streuner | drivers are in xorg |
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| 09:31.59 | talaok | hi |
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| 09:32.11 | talaok | any one here made pppoe-server before ? |
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| 09:32.31 | streuner | !tell talaok about anyone |
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| 09:33.40 | talaok | my pppd doesn;t send mac address to radius why ? |
| 09:33.43 | tejing | TraceGreen: in unstable they just split out the drivers as separate packages, but before that, all you have to worry about is the official nvidia driver, which can't be distributed as part of xorg, as it's not open-source |
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| 09:35.04 | cunzhang | jm_,my BIOS time is CST time.should I change it? |
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| 09:36.18 | streuner | insidius: /msg bot (dpkg, apt, ravenbird) factoid (anyone, foo, blah) |
| 09:36.27 | cunzhang | jm_,how can I set time right if I don't chang BIOS time? |
| 09:36.39 | tejing | cunzhang: on linux systems, the hardware clock is usually kept at UTC and translated to other TZs just before it's shown to the user |
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| 09:37.24 | birdcage | hi all |
| 09:37.30 | cunzhang | tejing,but all times I install Debian time is right except this time. |
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| 09:38.06 | cunzhang | tejing,this time I install debian through debootstep.then the time is wrong |
| 09:38.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:38.09 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:38.09 | insidius | Ahh i still cant get ssh working . I am trying to get RSA working or anything for that matter and i always get access denied! |
| 09:38.18 | birdcage | can someone give me a hint how to integrate a driver into a debian netinst image - or tell me where i can find some infos? |
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| 09:39.08 | tarzeau | birdcage: loop back mount the floppies |
| 09:39.24 | tarzeau | birdcage: copy it onto it, and unloop back the mounts (err umount) |
| 09:39.26 | insidius | !tell insidius ssh |
| 09:39.44 | citral | insidius: /msg dpkg ssh please |
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| 09:44.13 | fusspils | glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! when running 3Ddesktop. dri and glx are enabled as far as I can tell. Any idea's? |
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| 09:45.59 | Sonderblade | how do you use authbind to run a program listening at a low port? |
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| 09:47.19 | insidius | Ok i have read through a lot today but im missing something. No matter what i do i always get access denied when i try to ssh into my machine.can anyonehelp? |
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| 09:48.13 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 09:48.25 | lgd_ | can i set volume sound from shell? |
| 09:48.34 | citral | lgd_: alsamixer |
| 09:48.43 | lgd_ | from shell? |
| 09:48.47 | citral | yep |
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| 09:48.52 | lgd_ | tanks |
| 09:49.17 | citral | !praise ncurses |
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| 09:51.10 | birdcage | tarzeau: sry phone |
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| 09:52.07 | birdcage | tarzeau: you mean the iso file? |
| 09:52.31 | birdcage | i should mount the iso file, copy the .ko onto it and burn it on cd<? |
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| 09:55.05 | lord_rob | birdcage: mounted iso are read only |
| 09:55.17 | v_ | I've just installed fail2ban on this machine, can someone help me test it by failing a bunch of ssh logins ? |
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| 09:55.36 | lordnazgu1 | v sure whats the address |
| 09:55.47 | v_ | 82.133.114.104 |
| 09:55.53 | lordnazgu1 | v how many? |
| 09:56.04 | birdcage | lord_rob: were using a SCSI HBA, that is not recognized by the std. debian netinst cd |
| 09:56.14 | v_ | nazgu1: after 5 |
| 09:56.24 | lordnazgu1 | ok just a sec |
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| 09:57.00 | birdcage | lord_rob: we can install it manually, but integrating it in a netinst cd would be nuce |
| 09:57.03 | birdcage | *nice |
| 09:57.03 | lord_rob | birdcage: have you checked debian etch beta install cds ? |
| 09:57.09 | v_ | loadnazgul: thanks, that seems to have worked |
| 09:57.21 | lordnazgu1 | yep i just hung |
| 09:57.28 | v_ | INFO: SSH: xx.xxx.xxx.xx has 5 login failure(s). Banned. |
| 09:57.29 | birdcage | lord_rob: nope |
| 09:57.54 | Den | Hi - I installed Etch, & it rebooted fine. I did apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get install kde - That installed. startx failed. reboot fails with message "waiting for hard disk" Any ideas? |
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| 09:58.31 | lordnazgu1 | den did you apt0get install x-window-system |
| 09:58.32 | birdcage | lord_rob: we prefer using stable versions |
| 09:58.35 | lord_rob | Den: I think I've read a simillar message in debian bts |
| 09:58.36 | lordnazgu1 | apt-get * |
| 09:59.28 | Den | lord_rob: I looked at something at some point, & thought kde was pulling in x-w-s |
| 09:59.48 | lgd_ | thanks bye |
| 10:00.07 | Den | lord_rob: when I did startx, it looked like the xserver was startting, but fiailed - I think the xserfvver is installed |
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| 10:01.03 | Den | lordnazgu1: Er, that 1st msg of mine to lord_rob was to you |
| 10:01.44 | anabain | Does anyone know which .deb package should I install in order to have the PostScript (generic) driver? I have a HP laserjet 1320 driver and at linuxprinting.org (http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1320) they recommend not hpijs driver, but PostScript driver. Also there's a script that modifies the PPD file for w$ NT systems to get all features of the printer. I guess I need to install the generic PostScr |
| 10:01.44 | anabain | ipt driver (don't know how in Debian), run the script to get the proper PPD and then put it in the right place, am I right? |
| 10:02.23 | lordnazgu1 | sorry den you lost me. what was to me |
| 10:02.39 | Den | lord_rob: So, Etch is borked now? |
| 10:02.56 | Red_Cloud | I am having a problem downloading with Synaptic. I get the error message: <E: Method http has died unexpectedly!> What might be my problem? |
| 10:03.04 | lord_rob | Den: I don't know, I'm using sid actually |
| 10:03.10 | Den | lordnazgu1: i think xwindow is installed |
| 10:03.25 | Den | lord_rob: Is sid ok now? |
| 10:03.44 | lord_rob | Den: if you are careful it is always ok :) |
| 10:04.04 | Den | lord_rob: ?? what?? |
| 10:04.06 | lordnazgu1 | den i would check, its an easy solution to rule out |
| 10:04.39 | Den | lordnazgu1: I can't check - it fials to boot - says waiting for hd. |
| 10:05.08 | lord_rob | Den: it's been running for four years on my other box (I don't remember exactly for how much but it was installed before woddy was stable so a long long time ago) |
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| 10:06.05 | lord_rob | Den: and of course I've been upgrading sid everyday since then |
| 10:06.15 | Den | lord_rob: youve been continusly upgrading sid for 4 years?? |
| 10:06.18 | lord_rob | so if you are careful sid is stable |
| 10:06.28 | wdamn | Hi, I've got this error in kern.log |
| 10:06.30 | wdamn | kernel: process `host' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT |
| 10:06.35 | lord_rob | Den: yes more than 4 years I think |
| 10:06.40 | wdamn | any idea? |
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| 10:06.49 | Den | lord_rob: well, they waht's the problem with etch + kde? |
| 10:07.21 | lord_rob | hmmm I don't know I don't have any problem |
| 10:07.53 | lord_rob | you should install apt-listbugs and do your upgrades with aptitude Den |
| 10:07.58 | Den | lord_rob: Can you pooint me to waht to look at in the bts? |
| 10:08.24 | pipeline | wdamn: That's not really an error. |
| 10:08.24 | lord_rob | apt-listbugs does the job for you Den |
| 10:08.39 | Den | lord_rob: I get conflicting advice - usually I'm told "do everything with apt", not extra tools. |
| 10:08.41 | pipeline | wdamn: It's just warning you. Unless you intend to fix the "host" program, it's not your problem. |
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| 10:09.03 | valdyn | Den: apt-get is ok, aptitude only just recently become reliable |
| 10:09.14 | valdyn | Den: aptitude may now be better |
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| 10:09.29 | lord_rob | Den: aptitude is great when you have dependancy problems (which is more than frequent in sid) |
| 10:09.30 | wdamn | pipeline: ok, but what kind of problems can generate? |
| 10:09.34 | Den | lord_rob: what's apt-listbugs got/do? |
| 10:10.06 | escalade | i run mrtg and it monitors my server now i want to monitor another, how do i add an extra server? create extra config file and then? |
| 10:10.37 | Den | valdyn: any idea why after I installed kde on etch I can't boot - get "waiting for disk " error? |
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| 10:10.47 | insidius | Damn someones trying to hack me through ssh |
| 10:10.58 | insidius | bastards |
| 10:11.08 | lord_rob | Den: when you have downloaded new packages and are about to install them, apt-listbugs checks the bts for the packages you are about to upgrade/install. If there are grave bugs related to them, you are warned and asked if you really want to proceed |
| 10:11.28 | escalade | insidius: put i ont a other port ;) |
| 10:11.39 | Den | lord_rob: Can you tell me what to look for , or give me a poointer to the bts info?? please thatks! :) |
| 10:12.00 | lord_rob | Den: I already told you that I have no idea sorry |
| 10:12.07 | Den | lord_rob: the bts where you said you thought you saw this problem in the bts? |
| 10:12.21 | lord_rob | ah yes |
| 10:12.29 | lord_rob | it was related to udev |
| 10:12.34 | Den | lord_rob: "<lord_rob> Den: I think I've read a simillar message in debian bts" |
| 10:12.41 | lord_rob | right |
| 10:12.44 | lord_rob | udev |
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| 10:13.02 | Den | lord_rob: might I be having a udev problem? |
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| 10:13.10 | Den | lord_rob: with ethc + kde? |
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| 10:16.07 | Den | ?? |
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| 10:17.59 | lord_rob | Den: I don't think kde is related to the problem you are experiencing (I'm no way a linux expert btw) |
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| 10:22.04 | k31th | how do i tell if a php module is installed? |
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| 10:24.34 | prudhvi | Anyone with ACPI Problems with 2.6.16-1-k7 Kernel ? |
| 10:24.58 | prudhvi | i guess it is the same case with 2.6.16-1-686 too |
| 10:25.41 | insidius | heheh i blocked the bastard using iptables |
| 10:25.47 | escalade_ | .16 out? since when? |
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| 10:26.28 | Den | lord_rob: thx |
| 10:26.33 | kelmo_lap | escalade, .16.9 is out already . . . |
| 10:26.52 | escalade_ | running on 15-1 |
| 10:27.10 | liable | get with the times son! :) |
| 10:27.32 | Den | valdyn: any idea why after I installed kde on etch I can't boot - get "waiting for disk " error? |
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| 10:28.25 | liable | Den: i fail to see how that is a kde problem. what else was upgraded? |
| 10:28.36 | liable | the kernel? udev? |
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| 10:29.30 | Den | liable: just whatever kde pulls in - OK, I did put in 1 other thing - elinks web browser |
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| 10:30.14 | Den | liable any ideas? |
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| 10:30.49 | liable | Den: check the dpkg log. see if udev might have been installed/upgraded |
| 10:31.18 | Den | liable cant boot - spose I could check it on the other partition |
| 10:32.03 | liable | Den: you can always boot a rescue disk and read it |
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| 10:32.31 | escalade_ | anyone knows how to monitor more then one machine with mrtg |
| 10:33.58 | Den | 2006-04-18 05:47:00 status unpacked udev 0.085-1 |
| 10:33.58 | Den | 2006-04-18 05:47:00 status half-configured udev 0.085-1 |
| 10:33.59 | Den | 2006-04-18 05:47:00 status installed udev 0.085-1 |
| 10:34.06 | [machine] | esca: add it to the mrtg config, and make sure the monitoring machine can connect to the client machines snmp server |
| 10:34.32 | escalade_ | add all in one config? |
| 10:34.35 | Den | liable that log shows no udev installed today |
| 10:34.38 | insidius | OMG i figured out why ssh was not working |
| 10:35.01 | insidius | I forgot that doing it within my own network i should of been accessing the internal, not external ip :-) |
| 10:35.05 | sussudio | insidius: bunnies? |
| 10:35.27 | liable | Den: ok. |
| 10:35.28 | insidius | took me 3 hours just to figure that outlol |
| 10:35.31 | Den | liable: any thoughts? |
| 10:35.45 | k31th | im getting this error |
| 10:35.46 | k31th | httpd: PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function: pam_auth() in /home/www/html/auth/pam/lib.php on line 34 |
| 10:35.48 | escalade_ | insidius: w00t :D |
| 10:35.50 | k31th | and here my file http://pastebin.com/673010 |
| 10:35.50 | pusling | Den: when did you last restart ? ;) |
| 10:36.05 | Den | pusling: after I installed kde |
| 10:36.40 | [machine] | esca: cfgmaker [options] [community@]router [[options] [community@]router etc |
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| 10:36.48 | insidius | thanks for help ppl anyway, but you cant help stupidity |
| 10:37.13 | pusling | Den: and before that ? |
| 10:37.14 | [machine] | esca: just pass multiple router strings to cfgmaker |
| 10:37.33 | Den | pusling: just before I did the kde install |
| 10:37.56 | escalade_ | k31th: support enabled in php for pam? |
| 10:38.10 | Den | pusling: I booted, installed elinks, installed kde, did startx, x didnt start, I rebooted, & the boot fialed |
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| 10:39.14 | liable | Den: kde doesnt kill the kernel. we need to find out what else was installed/updated. |
| 10:39.44 | Den | liable:if you really care, I typescripted the install of kde - you want to see it? |
| 10:40.02 | escalade_ | [machine]: i gonna try |
| 10:40.05 | pusling | bring it on (to pastebin) |
| 10:40.32 | liable | Den: sure |
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| 10:40.57 | AsianGirl | hi , i cwould like to know how can i extract all zip files into the same directory.. unzip seem not allow me tat option .thanks |
| 10:41.01 | liable | Den: i dont really care, but i would like to see it. also the kernel log if it actually logged before it failed |
| 10:41.26 | k31th | escalade_: should be |
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| 10:42.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:42.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:44.08 | Den | liable: I be glad to show you if you might be able to dertermine what's wrong - might you be able to do that? |
| 10:44.35 | dtech | I am trying to set up routing. I don't want to use NAT to route from one interface to another could somebody explain how to make this happen? |
| 10:44.36 | liable | Den: no idea. paste it for all to see. |
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| 10:44.54 | tomie___ | hi |
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| 10:45.59 | Den | what's the paste url? |
| 10:46.25 | liable | !paste |
| 10:46.25 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 10:48.10 | Den | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2401 |
| 10:48.25 | Den | liable:you see that? |
| 10:49.07 | fr3ak79 | Hi I have just purchased a ded server with debian installed, I have debian on my pc dual booted but I have never had to access a server before and I am wondering how to setup the server so i can run gnome through some sort of tcp connection? i have installed the xserver and gnome but really have no idea how to do the rest |
| 10:49.31 | fr3ak79 | any help would be grand |
| 10:50.21 | jm_ | fr3ak79: either use ssh+x or install *dm and allow remote connections and use XDMCP (insecure, unless you forward it via say ssh) |
| 10:51.06 | Den | liable: ?? |
| 10:51.09 | liable | Den: yep. if you say you rebooted before installing kde, without problems, then i have absolutely no clue |
| 10:51.23 | liable | Den: patience. i am not a speed reader.. |
| 10:51.27 | fr3ak79 | excellent thank you very much... will have to get back to you if i have any problems! |
| 10:51.41 | Den | liable: NP I'm waitingl. |
| 10:51.52 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:52.27 | jm_ | fr3ak79: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 10:52.45 | jm_ | Red_Cloud: haha, what does ulimit -f say? |
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| 10:53.02 | liable | Den: you definetely reboooted immediately before installing kde? |
| 10:53.20 | jm_ | cunzhang: are you still here? |
| 10:53.26 | jm_ | I guess not |
| 10:53.27 | Red_Cloud | jm, I had 2800 in that and just now changed it to unlimited but it has had no effect |
| 10:53.54 | fr3ak79 | sweet thanks heaps |
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| 10:54.43 | BlackBishop | hi all, |
| 10:54.50 | Red_Cloud | jm, Whoa! I just checked again as you suggested and the file limit was again 2800. Let me try to reset it to unlimited again. |
| 10:54.53 | BlackBishop | should jidgo stop every 10 files ? |
| 10:55.05 | fr3ak79 | cya |
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| 10:55.06 | Den | liable: I booted, did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade - installed elinks, verified I could poull up a web page with that, did apt-get -s install kde, apt get -d install kde, did apt-get install kde, did startx - got x fial message, I think, did "kdm" - nothing happened. (prob not installed) then rebooted, which failed. |
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| 10:55.45 | jm_ | Red_Cloud: yeah ulimit should just work |
| 10:55.55 | Den | liable: what level debian experience do yo have? |
| 10:56.20 | Red_Cloud | jm, It now works after changing it. Why do you think that it would have changed itself back to 2800? |
| 10:56.53 | liable | Den: strange. enough for my purposes. why? |
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| 10:57.39 | Den | liable: why I ask your level? to know what level your at. |
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| 10:58.32 | jm_ | Red_Cloud: beats me |
| 10:58.49 | BlackBishop | should jidgo stop every 10 files ? |
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| 10:59.32 | liable | Den: well, now that you mention it, how the hell do i judge what level of debian i'm at? |
| 10:59.32 | Red_Cloud | jm, Thanks for your help. I guess you can't fix stupid and that was my problem. |
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| 11:00.32 | rikkus | hi |
| 11:00.49 | Red_Cloud | blackbishop, maybe the location to where you are downloading is limited in size? |
| 11:00.55 | abauer | hi. i have set up my own debian repository and uploaded a package which would replace another one. the problem is that apt-cache policy shows that the package does not get used |
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| 11:01.39 | BlackBishop | every 10 files |
| 11:01.43 | BlackBishop | Downloaded: 6,993,806 bytes in 10 files |
| 11:01.43 | BlackBishop | Found 10 of the 7099 files required by the template |
| 11:01.54 | wireddd | liable, i'm a level 21 system admin with a +1 compiller |
| 11:02.00 | BlackBishop | eachtime the no. of files required is smaller by 10. |
| 11:02.10 | Den | liable: swearing is probably counter productive - are you a newbie, longtime user, packager/maintainer - ?? |
| 11:02.11 | rikkus | If I do apt-get dist-upgrade, I'm told that courier-imap (among 6 other packages) will be removed. I don't want it to be removed, because it gives me access to my email. I can't see a package in the list of new packages to install which will provide the same functionality. I don't know what to do... |
| 11:02.26 | abauer | the original package has a priority of 990 while mine only has a priority of 500 |
| 11:03.50 | liable | wireddd: oooh aahh :) |
| 11:04.27 | jm_ | rikkus: two options - a) don't upgrade, b) upgrade, then try to install it again |
| 11:04.29 | dtech | I don't understand what I'm doing wrong i have ip_forward enabled and routes are set up but the only way i can get routing to happen across multiple nets is with NAT and I don't want that.. any suggestions? |
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| 11:04.51 | liable | Den: i didnt swear, and i am none of the above depending on how you define those terms. |
| 11:05.09 | BlackBishop | ok .. I'm starting jidgo again |
| 11:05.16 | BlackBishop | after the first 10 files |
| 11:05.17 | Den | liable: ?? |
| 11:05.25 | BlackBishop | FINISHED --04:05:13-- |
| 11:05.25 | BlackBishop | Downloaded: 3,295,986 bytes in 10 files |
| 11:05.38 | liable | Den: and this is really quite irrelevent. i am not the one asking for help. |
| 11:05.41 | BlackBishop | Found 10 of the 7179 files required by the template |
| 11:05.42 | BlackBishop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.53 | BlackBishop | I'm waiting for it to finish... |
| 11:06.11 | wireddd | Den, what fails when you try and boot? |
| 11:06.30 | Den | liable: "hell" = swear. It's highly relevant - you're the one anwering questions - |
| 11:07.01 | Den | wireddd: I installed Etch, & it rebooted fine. I did apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get install kde - That installed. startx failed. reboot fails with message "waiting for hard disk" Any ideas? |
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| 11:07.36 | blondie | Den: sorry but "hell" is not a swear-word |
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| 11:07.52 | rikkus | Den: 'hell' isn't swearing to 99.9% of people |
| 11:08.06 | Den | blondie: no need for sorry - where I come from "hell" is an explicative |
| 11:08.26 | rikkus | expletive? |
| 11:08.26 | blondie | Den: ah well |
| 11:08.41 | Den | rikkus: something like that:) |
| 11:08.42 | wireddd | Den, so where in the boot process does this message come up, in the bios? while the kernel is loading? |
| 11:08.43 | blondie | Den: this is an English-speaking channel so it's not :) |
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| 11:09.14 | Red_Cloud | BlackBishop, what you are describing is normal sounding to me for the figdo file download. |
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| 11:09.33 | BlackBishop | hmm .. should it start writing the .iso after the first 10 files ? |
| 11:09.39 | Den | wireddd: I can't recall now, for sure - but I think about 20 lines of text come up on the screen before that fail occurs. |
| 11:09.54 | BlackBishop | Copied input files to temporary file `debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso.tmp' - repeat command and supply more files to continue |
| 11:09.54 | liable | Den: firstly, you didnt mention you did an upgrade *before* you installed kde and after the reboot, secondly, what was installed then? |
| 11:10.03 | BlackBishop | and starts downloading another 10 files.. |
| 11:10.05 | Red_Cloud | BlackBishop, what it does is writes to the temporary file. |
| 11:10.12 | |adrian| | i have installed mplayer-fonts_3.5-2_all.deb and still get the same eror |
| 11:10.43 | rikkus | liable: did he also mention that he can boot from CD and access his hard disk? |
| 11:10.52 | lord_rob | Den: try to boot a knoppix live cd then chroot in your debian partition then try to remove or at least downgrade udev |
| 11:11.22 | lord_rob | removing might not be a good solution |
| 11:11.25 | Red_Cloud | BlackBishop, that is how the jigdo software works. Be happy for it will be able to start at any point and continue. Shut it off now and next week come back and it will pickup at the very bit that it left off |
| 11:11.30 | Den | liable: i did a typescript of the upgrade - would you like me to past it? |
| 11:11.42 | BlackBishop | ow .. cool :) |
| 11:11.50 | wireddd | Den, well if it is in the bios then it is a hardware problem, if it is in the bootloader (lilo/grub) you need to boot with a live cd and reinstall lilo or grub, and if it is the kernel remember what it says before and come back |
| 11:12.01 | liable | Den: yes |
| 11:12.11 | BlackBishop | damn .. I tought it had a problem and deleted it the first time |
| 11:12.16 | BlackBishop | after about 100 packages .. |
| 11:12.36 | liable | rikkus: this of course is no surprise. his hard drive isnt trashed, his kernel is borked for some reason. |
| 11:12.50 | rikkus | I see |
| 11:13.42 | Red_Cloud | BlackBishop, if you want a continuous feed, then download only the first CD and then network the complete installation of the Debian packages. You will have uninterrupted download for about a week. Of course you will be able to use your computer for nothing else for 24/7 but it will continuous download |
| 11:13.44 | Den | liable:http://channels.debian.net/paste/2402 |
| 11:14.05 | BlackBishop | heheheh |
| 11:14.45 | Den | rikkus: -this message is comming to you from the same laptop - I just rebooted into a different partition/distro |
| 11:15.01 | Den | rikkus: so, my hd isn't trashed |
| 11:16.13 | liable | Den: can you chroot into it? |
| 11:16.19 | wireddd | so mount the other partition and look at the log |
| 11:16.26 | liable | Den: chroot in and upgrade udev |
| 11:16.52 | rikkus | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 11:16.52 | rikkus | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.56 | rikkus | that's probably a good thing, then? ;) |
| 11:18.06 | BlackBishop | what is the latest kernel for 31r2 ? |
| 11:18.30 | Den | liable: I'm learing how to chroot right now in #debian-kde |
| 11:19.02 | Den | liable: Why do you suggest I upgrade udev? Is there some evidence it is not what it should be on my system? |
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| 11:19.40 | Den | liable: Remember, I just did an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade before I then installed 1st elinks, then kde |
| 11:19.45 | rob_ | hi, is 'cu' in the package 'uucp', if so, shouldnt i just be able to apt-get install uucp? |
| 11:20.06 | wireddd | Den, udev got held back when you upgraded |
| 11:20.25 | Den | wireddd: is that in the past I just did? |
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| 11:20.51 | Den | wireddd: Ohm i see it |
| 11:21.13 | Den | wireddd: So, that udev held back looks like it could be the problem? |
| 11:21.57 | liable | Den: udev if one of the few things that makes your system completely unbootable |
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| 11:22.10 | liable | s/that/that can/ |
| 11:22.44 | Den | liable: well, if it was held back, that wouldn't mean it was will using the udev that had just booted successfully? |
| 11:23.18 | Den | "it was _still_ using" |
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| 11:24.02 | liable | Den: yes, presumably |
| 11:25.35 | Den | liable: So, what should I do once I chroot? |
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| 11:26.51 | liable | Den: apt-get install udev |
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| 11:28.56 | liable | wow, theres actually an interesting article on /. |
| 11:29.06 | lewwy | hey guys, i just net inst'd my computer, and it won't start x because /etc/X11R6/lib/X11/X has gone walkies (isn't there). Also, my ethernet connection is having major problems with DHCP. seeings I can't install dhclient to automatically snag my IP addy, is there any way to get ifconfig to get a DHCP address? |
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| 11:29.22 | Den | liable: before i do that install udev, why do you think it was held back? |
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| 11:30.32 | liable | Den: because it prolly wants to removes something or depends on something |
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| 11:31.22 | Den | apt-get install udev |
| 11:31.26 | Den | Reading package lists... Done |
| 11:31.30 | Den | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 11:31.34 | Den | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 11:31.38 | Den | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.42 | lewwy | i smell a #flood coming on |
| 11:31.42 | Den | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 11:31.47 | Den | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.50 | Den | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 11:31.54 | Den | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.59 | Den | 1 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 11:32.02 | Den | Need to get 312kB of archives. |
| 11:32.06 | Den | After unpacking 94.2kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 11:32.07 | Den | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? |
| 11:32.07 | Den | liable: Should I install it? |
| 11:32.08 | blondie | spam |
| 11:32.13 | lewwy | for shiz |
| 11:32.15 | lewwy | use #flood |
| 11:32.15 | blondie | you should stop bloody spamming! |
| 11:32.50 | liable | Den: dont paste here, you are lucky you werent kicked. and yes. install it |
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| 11:34.13 | Den | lewwy: So, are people here able to access #flood? |
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| 11:34.36 | lewwy | yes... |
| 11:35.00 | lewwy | but they have to be in it |
| 11:35.40 | Den | lewwy: liable: Ok, see #flood - it installed, but said chroot detected, "udev not started" |
| 11:36.08 | lewwy | so stop chrooting |
| 11:36.35 | lewwy | guys please, my X is broken |
| 11:36.39 | lewwy | somebody please help me with my problem |
| 11:36.45 | lewwy | hey guys, i just net inst'd my computer, and it won't start x because /etc/X11R6/lib/X11/X has gone walkies (isn't there). Also, my ethernet connection is having major problems with DHCP. seeings I can't install dhclient to automatically snag my IP addy, is there any way to get ifconfig to get a DHCP address? |
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| 11:37.42 | anjo | lewwy - why not use static IP ? |
| 11:37.47 | liable | Den: fine, try a reboot |
| 11:38.09 | Den | liable: Ok, so, now what? exit the chroot & reboot? |
| 11:38.22 | lewwy | anjo, if you can please tell me how to set a static ip with ifconfig i would be very happy |
| 11:38.27 | liable | yeah, and cross your fingers |
| 11:38.39 | anjo | umm.. crap.. I dunno.. someone else.. |
| 11:38.39 | lewwy | Den, generally if something tells you to get out of the chroot, it means leave the chroot |
| 11:38.53 | anjo | ifconfig eth0 192.168 blah blah |
| 11:38.54 | escalade | [machine]: its running :) www.idoos.nl/mrtg |
| 11:39.17 | lewwy | ifconfig 192.168.1.30 gateway 192.168.1.1 DNS 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:39.19 | Den | lewwy: Er, did somethign tell me to get out of te chroot? |
| 11:39.26 | lewwy | yeh.... |
| 11:39.34 | lewwy | <Den> A chroot environment has been detected, udev not started. |
| 11:40.04 | lewwy | anyway, what would be an effective way of converting that into a ifconfig command |
| 11:40.57 | anjo | ifconfig eth0 << |
| 11:41.03 | Den | Thanks everyone - I'll try rebooting - hopefully be back in 5 minutes & tell you its a success. :) |
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| 11:47.10 | lewwy | i think i'll just go back to ubuntu |
| 11:47.12 | lewwy | or knoppix |
| 11:47.20 | lewwy | more sensical X there, anyway |
| 11:47.46 | lewwy | debian just seems to break it? |
| 11:47.57 | lewwy | cyas |
| 11:48.01 | liable | lewwy: sid? |
| 11:48.12 | liable | of course |
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| 11:49.48 | liable | lewwy: you need to find which package failed to install. or which errored. try reading /usr/share/doc/x11-common/ |
| 11:50.12 | liable | or go back to ubuntu.. |
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| 11:50.37 | Alver | 'ello. Can anyone tell me which package sid's kmail requires to get imap-ssl support? |
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| 11:50.51 | Alver | The dependencies alone aren't enough, apparently. |
| 11:51.32 | liable | Alver: try #debian-kde? |
| 11:51.48 | Alver | liable: Yes. So far no luck :) |
| 11:52.31 | liable | Alver: yeah, i think its a bit quiet |
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| 11:55.31 | GpgGpg | hi everibody |
| 11:56.28 | GpgGpg | debian work with a hp ml350 (dual xeon) and smart array 641 raid5? |
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| 11:56.42 | GpgGpg | is it easy to config? |
| 11:56.45 | VolVE | hey all, is anyone familiar with Grub not getting past the first few lines (ending in 'boot') after adding an SATA drive to an all-PATA system ever? |
| 11:56.47 | vin` | Alver: kmail suggests courier-imap-ssl, maybe? |
| 11:57.09 | escalade_ | [machine]: |
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| 11:59.25 | escalade_ | GpgGpg: xeon is no problem. use the smp kernel |
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| 11:59.47 | escalade_ | GpgGpg: never heard of smart array blabla |
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| 12:00.38 | GpgGpg | [escalade_] ok, for xeon, it's not (realy) a difficult, but raid5 in hardware... |
| 12:01.21 | escalade_ | GpgGpg: not sure if the raid5 is transparent for the linux system or that it depends on the drivers that are availble |
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| 12:02.26 | sciboy | Booyah! |
| 12:02.33 | sciboy | That was some crazy mess. =| |
| 12:03.00 | jm_ | VolVE: what's the last thing it says? |
| 12:03.08 | VolVE | 'boot' |
| 12:03.14 | VolVE | it gives me the menu as normal |
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| 12:03.16 | alienbrain | What's a good way to partition harddisk ? |
| 12:03.38 | VolVE | then I pick my kernel and it gives a couple of lines of initrd, vmlinuz, etc. but then just hangs at 'boot' |
| 12:03.45 | sciboy | alienbrain, Software or table wise? |
| 12:03.54 | VolVE | normally there's no pause between 'boot' and spewing lots of data :) |
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| 12:04.05 | alienbrain | sciboy, software.. |
| 12:04.13 | redspike | Hello, I have setup a icecast server with ices2 to streem the Input1 and i canconnect to to srver:8000/radio.ogg when i have started ices2 but i get no sound :( |
| 12:04.17 | redspike | any one know why? |
| 12:04.24 | sciboy | alienbrain, I think a kick ass partition tool i used was GParted |
| 12:04.24 | GpgGpg | [escalade_]: i don't know if it's transparent or not... it's not specified by hp... and my boss want an HP ML of **** |
| 12:04.37 | VolVE | jm_: sound familiar at all? :) |
| 12:04.39 | liable | hehehe, i see udev bugs are always as interesting as ever.. |
| 12:04.42 | alienbrain | sciboy, thanks, will give it a try right now |
| 12:04.55 | jm_ | do you see it loading the kernel? |
| 12:04.56 | GpgGpg | [escalade_]: where a dual opteron with s-ata work fine :-) |
| 12:05.05 | jm_ | VolVE: no not quite, but see above question |
| 12:05.08 | sciboy | alienbrain, Just be careful, any partitioning comes with the risk of data loss. =P |
| 12:05.20 | sciboy | alienbrain, Although i got to admit, it doesn't happen that often. |
| 12:05.27 | alienbrain | sciboy, btw, what's the package name, gparted ? |
| 12:05.30 | VolVE | jm_: after the menu screen, I see a few lines where it's trying to load the kernel, but there are no errors and it just hangs |
| 12:05.37 | sciboy | alienbrain, I think so. |
| 12:05.44 | wireddd | is there an easy way to start services in parallel whilst booting? |
| 12:05.55 | alienbrain | sciboy, I can't find it :p, apt-cache search gparted can't find it too |
| 12:06.01 | jm_ | VolVE: does it say stuff like Linux setup= size= ... |
| 12:06.12 | rikkus | ok so I upgraded and courier-imap was removed, but nothing was put in its place, so I can't access my email. |
| 12:06.12 | sciboy | alienbrain, I'm using Unstable. |
| 12:06.13 | VolVE | yes, and device for root and such |
| 12:06.26 | VolVE | it's only 4 or 5 lines at most |
| 12:06.26 | kspath | wireddd: Sure just have another machine running those services. |
| 12:06.30 | rikkus | if I ask apt-get to install courier-imap again, it tells me it will install exim4 |
| 12:06.35 | jm_ | VolVE: then it means it's the kernel that doesn't do anything |
| 12:06.36 | rikkus | but I don't want exim4 - I have qmail |
| 12:06.46 | alienbrain | sciboy, I'm using sarge, hm I will try parted the command line |
| 12:06.59 | VolVE | jm_: if I disconnect the new SATA drive from the controller, the kernel boots fine... |
| 12:07.13 | sciboy | alienbrain, Yeah, the command-line rocks too, but the graphical frontend is just great. =D |
| 12:07.17 | VolVE | so I'm confused because it's "hangs with no errors" or "boots fine with no drive" |
| 12:07.24 | VolVE | not very helpful either way :-/ |
| 12:07.54 | Zugschlus | rikkus: use equivs to satisfy the dependency system |
| 12:07.59 | jm_ | VolVE: yeah I know, but it passes control to kernel at that point - are you sure it's loading the same one in both cases? |
| 12:08.06 | Zugschlus | rikkus: and please please reconsider qmail, it's the most broken MTA in the market |
| 12:08.21 | VolVE | jm_: definitely the same kernel, I only have 1 regular and 1 recovery installed... |
| 12:08.29 | rikkus | Zugschlus: it's worked for me since 1997 |
| 12:08.51 | VolVE | jm_: for some reason, the SATA controller card isn't showing up via lspci either (when the drive is not connected and the system actually boots...) |
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| 12:09.09 | alienbrain | sciboy, I will compile gparted from source and give it a try |
| 12:09.19 | wireddd | kspath what I want to know is if there is a way that when it goes to run level N it would just spawn all of the threads at once instead of one after the other |
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| 12:09.28 | xomhau | re hi |
| 12:09.30 | sciboy | alienbrain, Best of luck. =) |
| 12:09.45 | jm_ | VolVE: well this is definitely kernel, but it should say Linux blabla first thing it boots |
| 12:09.50 | liable | alienbrain: you want to make or resize? |
| 12:10.12 | Zugschlus | rikkus: yes, and it hasn't adapted to changed environment since then |
| 12:10.14 | VolVE | jm_: oh well, I guess I'll test anoter system... make sure the drive/controller are ok... thanks for your help |
| 12:10.22 | rikkus | Zugschlus: what has changed? |
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| 12:10.31 | Zugschlus | rikkus: for example, accept all and bounce later is broken |
| 12:10.35 | jm_ | VolVE: yes, it's pretty strange that lspci doesn't pick it up, perhaps related |
| 12:10.40 | Zugschlus | rikkus: parallel delivery has been broken all the time |
| 12:10.52 | alienbrain | liable, make |
| 12:10.54 | Zugschlus | !Start an mta war |
| 12:10.54 | dpkg | postfix systems are liable to be r00ted |
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| 12:11.04 | rikkus | I know it doesn't do parallel delivery, but that's not a concern - I don't send that much email! |
| 12:11.06 | liable | alienbrain: then use cfdisk or fdisk |
| 12:11.09 | Zugschlus | rikkus: http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
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| 12:11.35 | liable | alienbrain: cfdisk is good, ncurses based. |
| 12:11.40 | rikkus | Zugschlus: I've seen that. It's a list of things which aren't problems when the admin knows what they're doing. |
| 12:11.40 | azeem | W6 |
| 12:11.42 | kspath | wireddd: threads? just script it yourself and make sure you take care of the dependencies. |
| 12:11.43 | azeem | eh |
| 12:11.47 | VolVE | thanks jm_ |
| 12:11.47 | jack_ca | hello, is there a way to merge 2 ext3 partition without loosing data ? (one of them is empty |
| 12:11.54 | zimnyx | I need to send simple email (subject-only) from cron, what commandile tool would be sufficient? |
| 12:12.01 | Zugschlus | rikkus: for Debian, "NON-FREE" is the killer argument. Go fix your system yourself. |
| 12:12.06 | alienbrain | liable, I'd use fdisk if it uses megabytes as unit or something, but unfortunatelly it uses cyls |
| 12:12.15 | jm_ | jack_ca: bind mounts usually help, or unionfs |
| 12:12.19 | rikkus | Zugschlus: er... apt-get broke it |
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| 12:12.27 | liable | alienbrain: you can change it. cfdisk has a menu for it.. |
| 12:12.37 | Zugschlus | rikkus: no. you broke it |
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| 12:12.49 | liable | alienbrain: man fdisk |
| 12:13.02 | Zugschlus | by installing a non-supported MTA without telling the package system about that |
| 12:13.08 | liable | alienbrain: but really, just use cfdisk.. :) |
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| 12:13.22 | rikkus | Zugschlus: I did tell the package system - qmail is installed as a debian package! |
| 12:13.28 | alienbrain | liable, ha! alright |
| 12:13.33 | Zugschlus | rikkus: there is no debian package of qmail |
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| 12:13.48 | rikkus | ii qmail 1.03-zarge1 a secure, reliable, efficient, simple messag |
| 12:14.13 | Shadowcat | zarge? |
| 12:14.25 | kspath | wireddd: examples are... many things depend on network access and many things depend on dns and things depend on the filesystem and things depend on syslog and ... |
| 12:14.26 | liable | ze german version? |
| 12:14.44 | sep | hahaha that have a distinctive unofficial smell to it |
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| 12:14.54 | rikkus | yes it's unofficial |
| 12:14.58 | rikkus | but debian knows it's installed |
| 12:14.58 | jm_ | rikkus: does it provide mail-transport-agent? |
| 12:15.13 | rikkus | couldn't tell you |
| 12:15.29 | jm_ | how the fuck can't you tell that? |
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| 12:15.37 | rikkus | Package mail-transport-agent is a virtual package provided by: |
| 12:15.37 | rikkus | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.41 | rikkus | looks like perhaps it does |
| 12:15.57 | jm_ | dpkg -s will tell you what it provides |
| 12:15.58 | dpkg | Dingos ate my will tell you what it provides! |
| 12:16.02 | jm_ | ;) |
| 12:16.39 | liable | heh, always has good timing that bot.. |
| 12:16.44 | rikkus | well |
| 12:16.56 | rikkus | I installed qmail-run, told it not to overwrite my config files |
| 12:17.11 | rikkus | and now when I do apt-get install courier-imap, it doesn't try to install exim |
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| 12:17.36 | Zugschlus | rikkus: qmail and courier. Excellent combination. NOt. |
| 12:17.49 | jm_ | right, so now you know why it wanted to install exim |
| 12:17.57 | rikkus | yep |
| 12:18.05 | rikkus | thanks |
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| 12:18.28 | rikkus | that was much more use than telling me the software I'm using is broken, and that I broke my system myself somehow |
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| 12:18.47 | rikkus | Zugschlus: if you have nothing constructive to say, why are you trolling on #debian? |
| 12:18.51 | Den | Thank everyone - udev fixed the boot problem :) |
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| 12:19.24 | Zugschlus | !start an mta war |
| 12:19.24 | dpkg | courier has shitty documentation |
| 12:19.44 | jm_ | and on that note, my live-f1 seems to work |
| 12:19.46 | kspath | Zugschlus: please do not keep starting an mta war... |
| 12:19.54 | kspath | !end an mta war |
| 12:20.03 | liable | Zugschlus: you seem to have an uncanny knack picking the output from that factoid! :) |
| 12:20.16 | pop_korn | hi |
| 12:20.39 | Zugschlus | liable: *grins* |
| 12:20.51 | bartlebee | jm_ you've been working on it while the session is on? :) |
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| 12:20.54 | Zugschlus | liable: I suspect that the bot picks the last mta name mentioned on channel |
| 12:20.58 | Zugschlus | let's try that |
| 12:20.59 | Zugschlus | sendmail |
| 12:21.02 | Zugschlus | !start an mta war |
| 12:21.02 | dpkg | exim loses mail |
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| 12:21.08 | yos87 | Hi, |
| 12:21.09 | liable | hah! |
| 12:21.16 | Zugschlus | ok, there is obviously some random element |
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| 12:21.43 | karjala | How can I see which port a certain server application is listening on? |
| 12:21.46 | liable | yeah, its random, except when you pick the |
| 12:21.48 | jm_ | bartlebee: I noted durig previous session that it's still not OK, changed something and I am now testing it live with non-patched and patched one side by side |
| 12:21.58 | b00^wk | heya, anyone uses an internal adsl card ? |
| 12:22.04 | pop_korn | i need to configure dialin server, where i can find some docs ? |
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| 12:22.16 | kspath | karjala: netstat |
| 12:22.17 | jm_ | karjala: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 12:22.27 | bartlebee | jm_ the one you'd sent works fine with colors, etc -- something new? |
| 12:22.34 | karjala | thx |
| 12:22.35 | yos87 | liable: Hi |
| 12:22.45 | jm_ | bartlebee: help window |
| 12:22.48 | liable | yos87: howdy |
| 12:22.56 | bartlebee | ah |
| 12:23.30 | kspath | karjala: you can also try fuser and lsof if you like. |
| 12:23.46 | karjala | thx |
| 12:24.14 | yos87 | liable: it's ok, Hot friday |
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| 12:24.24 | yos87 | liable: I have trouble! |
| 12:24.36 | liable | yos87: as always! |
| 12:24.52 | b00^wk | pop_korn, agetty & dial in |
| 12:25.05 | b00^wk | pop_korn, you can start here http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-12.html |
| 12:25.20 | b00^wk | hey, what is a nice cheap adsl modem that will work with linux ? |
| 12:25.26 | yos87 | liable: Yes |
| 12:25.31 | kspath | !thx |
| 12:25.31 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas, named after THX1138, Lucas' first movie. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. |
| 12:25.40 | pop_korn | b00^wk < ÓÐÁÓÉÂ |
| 12:25.48 | pop_korn | b00^wk < *thx =) |
| 12:25.51 | liable | yos87: my chrystal ball is on the blink, so you had better explain whats wrong.. |
| 12:26.00 | kspath | !tell pop_korn about thx |
| 12:26.05 | liable | gah, i can never spell that right. |
| 12:26.22 | kspath | liable: speel wat? |
| 12:26.37 | citral | !nickometer b00^wk |
| 12:26.38 | liable | !yizersmite kspath |
| 12:26.39 | dpkg | 'b00^wk' is 45.000% lame, citral |
| 12:26.51 | b00^wk | citral, grow up :) |
| 12:27.01 | liable | meh, lost the moment.. |
| 12:27.13 | jnc | j0rd: thanks again for the tip about godaddy, also thanks to you and the other folks for DNS advices. osclab.net is now resolving like i wanted :) |
| 12:27.15 | citral | no thanks, I'm already tall enough |
| 12:27.22 | jnc | it's good to know i'm not totally crazy |
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| 12:28.48 | liable | yos87: ?? |
| 12:28.55 | davut | hi |
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| 12:29.31 | davut | I wanna install nagios-nrpe client and nagios-plugins on a sarge machine and aptitude tries to install 17 seperate packeges |
| 12:29.52 | davut | what is the logic of dependency between nagios and samba-client |
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| 12:29.55 | davut | I down want samba-client |
| 12:30.08 | davut | I dont want snmp also |
| 12:30.15 | yos87 | liable: Just ignore if you are busy, I'm not able to mount anything, I have cdrom and ext hdd, I i'm having this error : worng fs type , bad option , bad superbloack on dev/sdb, missing codepage or other error in same cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail |
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| 12:33.06 | liable | yos87: tried different cd's? |
| 12:33.06 | yos87 | liable: sdb is my external hdd |
| 12:33.06 | yos87 | liable : cd alos is not working |
| 12:33.07 | yos87 | liable: it not giving chance to check, it's directly give this error |
| 12:33.07 | wam | yos87: usually you have partitions on hdds. So mounting sdb1 would be appropriate. btw - what does dmesg|tail tell you? |
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| 12:33.09 | jm_ | yos87: check /proc/partitions if it was detected at all |
| 12:34.24 | yos87 | dmesg | tail : when cd mount , it give hdc error status = 0x00 |
| 12:34.43 | yos87 | and when hdd ext mount it give can't find a valid fat filesytem on dev |
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| 12:35.32 | Alam_Linux | if a source code tar gz havea debian folder and all the controls files, what command do i do to make a debian package out of it? |
| 12:35.55 | yos87 | an:/home/yosef# dmesg | tail |
| 12:35.55 | yos87 | hdc: status error: status=0x00 { } |
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| 12:36.10 | wam | yos87: didn't you say something about sdb? |
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| 12:36.47 | yos87 | wam : I say I cannot mount any thing |
| 12:36.56 | yos87 | including my cd and my external hdd |
| 12:37.17 | yos87 | I can mount the fat partitioin in the main hardisk only |
| 12:37.19 | wam | yos87: yes - but we were debugging the hdd right now. |
| 12:37.56 | Hamled | I wonder why DNS developed so that domain names had TLDs last instead of first... |
| 12:38.09 | yos87 | wam : sorry, I though both have same problem, mount problem! |
| 12:39.02 | yos87 | the sdb give this error : /dev/hdc /media/cdrom iso9660 default 0 0 |
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| 12:39.20 | yos87 | an't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 08:10. |
| 12:39.51 | wam | yos87: can you pastebin the output of /proc/partitions please? |
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| 12:40.16 | jm_ | Alam_Linux: debuild |
| 12:40.33 | Alam_Linux | as root? |
| 12:40.36 | CAiRO | what's the best gtk rss reader? |
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| 12:40.54 | yos87 | wam: permission denied |
| 12:40.58 | yos87 | wam: I'm a root |
| 12:41.02 | tuks | does sombody has some experiance with binnie++ ? |
| 12:41.06 | jm_ | no you can run it as user, but you'll need fakeroot installed |
| 12:41.08 | wam | yos87: wtf? |
| 12:41.21 | yos87 | command not fouud |
| 12:41.28 | wam | yos87: what are the file permissions? |
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| 12:42.08 | yos87 | wam : what do you mean file permissions? where you asking me to past? |
| 12:42.17 | wam | ls -la /proc/partitions |
| 12:42.20 | yos87 | wam : I don't have file permissions |
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| 12:42.51 | yos87 | wam: the out put is : /proc/partitions |
| 12:43.13 | yos87 | wam: sorry : -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-04-22 00:23 /proc/partitions |
| 12:43.20 | jm_ | yos87: you're supposed to run "cat /proc/partitions", not "/proc/partitions" |
| 12:43.48 | yos87 | i don't know cat |
| 12:43.49 | wam | jm_: argh - I didn't think of that... |
| 12:43.54 | yos87 | wam : there is output |
| 12:43.59 | yos87 | wam: alot |
| 12:44.10 | yos87 | 2 0 385692642 hdc 1 0 2 100 0 0 0 0 -21 1670370 9220182 |
| 12:44.16 | jm_ | wam: you'll get used to it with yos87 :) |
| 12:44.18 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.47 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.59 | yos87 | 8 21 2040223 scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |
| 12:45.02 | yos87 | I just past somelines |
| 12:45.04 | CAiRO | what's the best gtk rss reader? |
| 12:45.27 | wam | does this look like devfs?! |
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| 12:45.47 | Mammut | Hi, I have a problem: I have installed squidguard and my BerkeleyDB is 4.1.25. |
| 12:45.53 | jm_ | CAiRO: 1) no repeating, 2) how do I know what's best for you? 3) try liferea |
| 12:45.55 | jm_ | wam: yes |
| 12:46.49 | wam | jm_: which debian-version uses devfs? |
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| 12:46.49 | jm_ | wam: I know it's used during installation, no idea if it's also used by installed kernels (anyway, just Sarge) |
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| 12:46.50 | Mammut | Now the Berkeley DB is not the rigth for Squidguard, I need a old one, How can I change this only for this application? |
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| 12:47.54 | CAiRO | jm_: well, if nobody answers.. i try to repeat my question, not everybody is reading everything in here.. besides, i could live with your subjective view of what's the best rss reader.. i'm aware that different people have different opinios.. idealls i would have gotten 10 answers with 3 different suggestions.. where's the problem with that? |
| 12:47.55 | wam | yos87: sorry, I don't know about the mapping of devfs to "default" /dev/sd* - devices. |
| 12:48.13 | CAiRO | ideally |
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| 12:48.46 | azeem | CAiRO: if you're just looking for suggestions, use apt-cache search |
| 12:48.47 | wam | yos87: but it could be that your /etc/fstab doesn't match your devfs-system. |
| 12:49.23 | wam | yos87: you could try something like "mount scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt" |
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| 12:49.38 | jm_ | /dev/scsi/... |
| 12:49.42 | wam | yos87: sorry. I mean "mount /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt" |
| 12:50.41 | CAiRO | azeem: no, as i've said in my question, i was looking for the best gtk rss reader |
| 12:50.58 | CAiRO | somebody could have told me it's not in apt-get |
| 12:51.00 | azeem | CAiRO: that's a poll. Polls usually don't work well in here |
| 12:51.10 | azeem | CAiRO: then it's off-topic here |
| 12:51.11 | scytheman | hi, im searching for a terminal-emulator which supports utf-8 and transparency (showing me my wallpaper). aterm and rxvt-unicode are great, but the first doesn't support utf-8, and the latter no transparency. only mlterm supports both, but is slow as hell (at least in aptitude) |
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| 12:51.43 | jm_ | scytheman: mrxvt supports pseudo-transparency |
| 12:51.47 | CAiRO | azeem: so, what would you have done? kick somebody for recommending software that's not in debian? |
| 12:51.56 | jm_ | scytheman: ahh sorry, it doesn't support UTF-8 |
| 12:51.59 | scytheman | jm_, and unicode? |
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| 12:52.05 | scytheman | jm_, yeah :/ |
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| 12:52.18 | coywolf | anyone can help me with an english sentence? |
| 12:52.23 | coywolf | go to #flood |
| 12:52.31 | azeem | CAiRO: no, you're free to ask these questions, it's just that you'll probably won't get good answers |
| 12:52.31 | liable | again? |
| 12:52.37 | tuks | does sombody has some experiance with binnie++ ? |
| 12:52.40 | coywolf | liable, y |
| 12:52.45 | tuks | bonnie++ ? |
| 12:52.46 | jm_ | do you mean bonnie++? |
| 12:52.48 | CAiRO | azeem: lol, i noticed that already :) |
| 12:52.48 | coywolf | liable, help me again |
| 12:52.52 | azeem | CAiRO: as soon as you start to repeat the questions too much, it'll get annoying and you'll be told |
| 12:53.03 | tuks | jm_, yes... bonnie++ |
| 12:53.10 | jm_ | tuks: well what's the big deal with it? |
| 12:53.22 | wam | yos87: any success? |
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| 12:53.56 | tuks | jm_, i've got the results.... no references of it is ok |
| 12:54.11 | tuks | jm_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12670 |
| 12:54.17 | jm_ | tuks: you want to compare it against some other disk? |
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| 12:55.26 | tuks | jm_, it are results of a mounted volume on a NAS. Don't have 2 NAS-es jet :) |
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| 12:55.47 | jm_ | tuks: OK, can't help you with NAS, no such thing here |
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| 12:56.29 | tuks | jm_, thnx anyway :) |
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| 12:58.59 | yos87 | wam: Can I past all the out put of cat /proc/partitons |
| 12:59.00 | yos87 | wam: usually , I will be out of the channel |
| 12:59.00 | yos87 | wam: by the way, I install debian from the cdrom wich not working now |
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| 12:59.32 | yos87 | wam: sorry, my network cable disconnected |
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| 13:00.45 | wam | yos87: you are installing debian right now? |
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| 13:02.42 | yos87 | wam: no, It's aleady installed, and I have Gnome, and I install many program before having this trouble |
| 13:03.05 | wam | yos87: did you maybe install devfsd? |
| 13:03.32 | yos87 | wam: No, I don't know this, I remember i install hdpram |
| 13:03.54 | yos87 | wam: in same channel , I ask for the same error, one tell me use hdpram |
| 13:03.59 | wam | yos87: please check: "dpkg -l devfsd" |
| 13:04.25 | yos87 | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 13:04.30 | yos87 | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
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| 13:04.48 | yos87 | -==============-==============-============================================ |
| 13:04.54 | jm_ | yos87: stop pasting it |
| 13:04.55 | yos87 | v |
| 13:05.04 | yos87 | jm_ sorry |
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| 13:05.58 | yos87 | jm_ there is not traffic on the channel, I mean no problem for other people |
| 13:06.14 | jm_ | yos87: dosn't matter, it's still annoying and what you pasted is completely useless |
| 13:06.50 | yos87 | jm_ , there is only one line useless |
| 13:07.00 | yos87 | jm_ , I past it by mistake |
| 13:07.03 | jm_ | yos87: no all of them were |
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| 13:07.12 | BlueBeret | hi all |
| 13:07.22 | wam | yos87: the interesting part would be the last line of the output ;) |
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| 13:07.56 | BlueBeret | I found out that the DEB database keeps an out-of-date version of armagetron, and want to install a TGZ version. Should I remove the debian package first? |
| 13:08.14 | yos87 | wam: I don't have many experience with debian, where is your people learn all that |
| 13:08.41 | ye_old | to observe a file growth, I tried using ls -al myfile | tail -f - but the output never changes, meaning: tail does not redo the ls-command to check the filesize changed |
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| 13:08.48 | yos87 | wam: I have experiense with windows server 2003, and hardware, But no body know debian here |
| 13:08.51 | ye_old | what else could I use there? |
| 13:09.06 | jm_ | ye_old: man watch |
| 13:09.24 | yos87 | wam: I'm using kernel 2.4 not 2.6 if you want to know |
| 13:09.24 | ye_old | jm_ perfect :) thanks |
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| 13:10.17 | yos87 | wam: because 2.6 it stuck when mounting the cdrom from the the first ! |
| 13:10.22 | ye_old | watch is nice!! |
| 13:10.37 | wam | yos87: is this a production-system you're working with? |
| 13:10.44 | wam | yos87: or some test-system? |
| 13:10.56 | yos87 | wam: no , just new laptop |
| 13:11.02 | nkuttler | hm, how do i split a pdf into single pages on the command line? |
| 13:11.14 | yos87 | wam: debian was working fine on my desktop |
| 13:11.19 | yos87 | pc |
| 13:12.19 | jm_ | nkutl;pdf2ps/pdftops + ps-utils? |
| 13:12.21 | yos87 | wam: I past a ticket in the laptop site about the trouble, He replay me e-mail say: I don't have any knowledge about linux |
| 13:12.25 | jm_ | nkuttler ^^^^ |
| 13:12.33 | wam | yos87: you want kernel 2.6 on your laptop. And you want to get rid of devfs. If you don't know how to correct this right now, maybe a re-installation would be the easiest. Or you start reading the books and manuals at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual. |
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| 13:12.51 | nkuttler | jm_: thanks, will look into it |
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| 13:14.07 | yos87 | wam: I read this book, and I told you , when I boot the installation for 2.6, it stuck |
| 13:14.19 | yos87 | when looking for hardware |
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| 13:15.02 | wam | yos87: the kernel usually doesn't simply stuck. It normally tells you what the error is. |
| 13:15.44 | yos87 | wam : it stuck when loading module ide generic , belive me! |
| 13:16.05 | yos87 | wam: may be I have to wait! I wait arround 30 min, should I wait more !! |
| 13:16.09 | wam | yos87: you could try something like "dpkg -P devfsd && apt-get install kernel-2.6" - but I take no responsibility if this doesn't work for any reason. |
| 13:16.25 | wam | yos87: no need to wait ;) |
| 13:17.02 | yos87 | wam: I did apt-get install kernel2.6, when I restart I have another boot option, it's for 2.6, it again sstuck when boothing ! |
| 13:17.22 | yos87 | wam: the error was: attempt to kill someting |
| 13:17.40 | jm_ | that's because it failed to mount / |
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| 13:17.50 | saftsack | hi |
| 13:17.57 | saftsack | has someone some experiences with ftp? |
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| 13:18.33 | yos87 | wam: what is the devfsd |
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| 13:18.47 | wam | yos87: the devfsd. |
| 13:18.59 | yos87 | the command dpkg -P dvfsd say : pkg - warning: ignoring request to remove devfsd which isn't installed. |
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| 13:19.18 | wam | yos87: now - I don't get it. |
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| 13:19.29 | yos87 | wam: it's software |
| 13:19.37 | yos87 | wam: I just copy and past |
| 13:19.41 | jm_ | cat /proc/filesystem will mentione devfs I suppose |
| 13:19.47 | jm_ | filesystems even |
| 13:20.17 | Weekend_Warrior | hi guys, quick question, im trying to install cedega, i have the cedega-small.deb but im not sure how to make apt-get install it since its not in the repo. i followed http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-dpkg-scanpackages but when it have to do "deb file:/root debs/" i get deb:command not found |
| 13:20.29 | jm_ | Weekend_Warrior: man dpkg |
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| 13:21.50 | yos87 | wam: Thank you for help ronald, I think I have to go now |
| 13:22.11 | pinucset | i've spent days trying to have accents in debian, my /var/log/kdm.log ssays Qt: Locales not supported on X server somebody can help please? |
| 13:22.18 | Weekend_Warrior | jm_: just what i needed, thank you |
| 13:23.20 | pzn_ | Hi! I'm trying to install debian on a Notebook Acer TravelMate 2304CLi, it segfaults in many modules at boot... tried debian sarge kernel2.4 and 2.6. some of the modules that segfault are ohcp_usb, i810audio, what do you recommend? any hint? |
| 13:23.43 | jm_ | pzn_: try 2.6.15 kernel |
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| 13:23.51 | abrotman | pzn_: try expert26 .. don't load those modules |
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| 13:23.59 | abrotman | pzn_: or try an unofficial installer |
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| 13:24.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: moo |
| 13:24.11 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:24.11 | dpkg | <Azar> jm, I do not have irc, how could I get in another way? |
| 13:24.20 | pzn_ | jm_, how do I select 2.6.15 at debian sarge CD? |
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| 13:24.27 | abrotman | !tell pzn_ about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:24.28 | jm_ | pzn_: you can't -- /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 13:26.17 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:26.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 13:26.59 | pzn_ | abrotman, jm_: thanks! I'll try the unofficial boot |
| 13:27.31 | abrotman | !tell pzn_ about sarge uni |
| 13:27.36 | abrotman | pzn_: there are a few others to try also |
| 13:27.40 | abrotman | if that one doesn't work |
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| 13:32.54 | dargeer | anyone with an amd x2 finding it slower then a x86_64? |
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| 13:33.18 | jengelh | !anyone |
| 13:33.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 13:34.32 | nkuttler | .oO |
| 13:34.38 | Weekend_Warrior | pzn_: if that doesnt fix your problem, you might want to try a kanotix live cd |
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| 13:34.50 | Weekend_Warrior | it will install a debian system to the harddrive if you choose to |
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| 13:34.58 | Weekend_Warrior | but it has excellent hardware detection |
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| 13:35.41 | dargeer | ?? my x2 is slower then my x86_64 - anyone know what is the cause? |
| 13:35.52 | blueSmurf | hello. |
| 13:36.05 | jengelh | dargeer : lookat bogomips in /proc/cpuinfo maybe? |
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| 13:36.21 | blueSmurf | does anyone know haw to collet data from whiptail (or dialog) ? |
| 13:36.25 | jengelh | !anyone |
| 13:36.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:36.31 | jengelh | oh heh |
| 13:36.46 | dargeer | the 3800+ x2 is 4024 bogos and the same disk on the 3200+ x86_64 is 4400 bogos |
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| 13:37.09 | dargeer | jengelh - you are just cluttering the screen' |
| 13:37.25 | blueSmurf | I have a menu, with 2 selections, I see the resulta is 0 (OK / YES) but need to know which of the options was selected , any hints ? |
| 13:37.29 | jengelh | ain't got no scrollbar eh? |
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| 13:37.40 | mzilikazi | anyone successfully built a realtime kernel for debian? |
| 13:37.41 | dargeer | nope just text |
| 13:37.42 | pzn_ | Weekend_Warrior, Thanks! What I really need is terminal (without X) and the network card... all other hardware I do not need :-) |
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| 13:38.16 | rikkus | dargeer: it's not necessarily slower. Bogomips are named that way for a reason. |
| 13:38.25 | MrNaz | dargeer the bogo readings are about as reliable as trying to measure someone's temperature by waving a termometer at them from 30 feet away |
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| 13:38.49 | MrNaz | i guess he didnt like that answer |
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| 13:39.12 | blueSmurf | damn, open source projects really lack good documentation :( |
| 13:39.29 | MrNaz | blueSmurf thankfully there are smart people on IRC willing to help :) |
| 13:39.32 | stew | blueSmurf: but you can help fix that! |
| 13:39.43 | MrNaz | try getting *that* from oracle or microsoft :P |
| 13:39.52 | blueSmurf | stew: some of it, maybe. Not all of it :) |
| 13:39.57 | MrNaz | blueSmurf anyway... what did you need help with? |
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| 13:40.10 | x`y`-xy | how can know if i have MySQL on my server ...and i have not ...how can install it ?? |
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| 13:40.28 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, whiptail I need to see what a user selected from a menu (using whiptail /dialog) |
| 13:40.53 | MrNaz | x`y`-xy well you can tell if its running with the command ps aux |grep mysql and you can find if its installed by doing locate mysql |
| 13:41.00 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, I can see the result is 0 (Succes) but not what the user selected. |
| 13:41.06 | x`y`-xy | thx |
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| 13:41.14 | Dj_Spy | quick question, anyone has some knowledge on the bind9 + mysql? I don't think debian has a package on that (didn't find one) , so I will have to use source, I got the files but I don't really understand how to adjust the makefile, anyone? |
| 13:41.21 | MrNaz | blueSmurf sorry i cant help you there, i know nothing about whiptail, in fact ive never even heard of it |
| 13:41.46 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, whiptail is a dialog clone. |
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| 13:41.55 | tarzeau | does someone still use fortran and maybe slatec-dev ? |
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| 13:42.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: call the morgue |
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| 13:42.35 | Weekend_Warrior | rofl |
| 13:42.36 | MrNaz | blueSmurf aah... still, i cant help... sorry :( |
| 13:42.40 | blueSmurf | I think debian dialogs default to using it, I may be wrong though. |
| 13:42.58 | abrotman | blueSmurf: isn't there a mailing list for whiptail? |
| 13:43.05 | Weekend_Warrior | btw, anyone here play the card game Uno? I wrote an uno bot for IRC so I can bring it in a room somewhere if anyone is up for a game |
| 13:43.12 | MrNaz | blueSmurf http://linux.math.tifr.res.in/manuals/man/whiptail.html might help |
| 13:43.26 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, hehehe, Well I would of been very suprised if by just telling you what it was would make you an expert on it ;) |
| 13:43.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's the morgue? |
| 13:44.02 | MrNaz | blueSmurf haha i've been known to BS my way into expert status before ;-) |
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| 13:44.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: really this astronomy girl is cute |
| 13:44.07 | abrotman | a misspelling on my part |
| 13:44.11 | abrotman | i think |
| 13:44.14 | abrotman | !dict morgue |
| 13:44.16 | dpkg | Dictionary 'morgue' a building (or room) where dead bodies are kept before burial or cremation |
| 13:44.21 | abrotman | oh .. yeah .. i did spell it right |
| 13:44.31 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, well, I actually *have* read the man page. Thats why I was comenting on the lacking of good documentation. |
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| 13:45.17 | MrNaz | blueSmurf yea... generally linux man pages are written with the assumption that users already know everything they need in terms of background, and so references to required knowledge are virtually non-existent |
| 13:45.30 | blueSmurf | I was comparing the documentation from Lesstif with that of OpenMotif the other day. |
| 13:45.41 | saftsack | where can i find the configure flags which were taken by building a package? didnt find anything on packages.debian.org |
| 13:45.58 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, Yeah, and the fact that writing docs is a PITA doesnt help |
| 13:45.59 | abrotman | saftsack: you get the source package .. and read the rules file |
| 13:46.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: what would it take to get the rules file up on p.d.o? |
| 13:46.51 | saftsack | howto get the sourcefile? ^^ |
| 13:46.52 | MrNaz | blueSmurf i find its easier to write software that so intuitive that it doesnt *need* docs is easier than writing docs ;-) |
| 13:46.59 | abrotman | !tell saftsack about source |
| 13:47.15 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, you are right there. I second that motion. |
| 13:47.16 | abrotman | saftsack: ignore the building part :) |
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| 13:47.44 | Mjck | i need older versions of kbfx with debian logo |
| 13:47.46 | saftsack | it doesnt tell anything here |
| 13:47.46 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, (I never actually get to implementing my ideal though) |
| 13:48.04 | saftsack | oh ok found the query ;) |
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| 13:48.21 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, I just end up writing something no one understands and 'cos it has no docs is pretty unusable |
| 13:48.22 | abrotman | saftsack: apt-get source <pkgname> |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | saftsack: or download the source package from packages.debian.org |
| 13:48.39 | saftsack | ok thanks :) |
| 13:48.43 | unity | hello, in top, i have 0.0% id and 99.8% wa. what is wa? |
| 13:48.45 | MrNaz | blueSmurf ive written an app thats been in production now for about 2 years... there are about 40 users, in 9 sites around the city... i have never, ever spent ONE DAY on training these users, nor have i written one line of docs... its web based and easy to use, its a point of sale + inventory + accounting package all in one for businesses in my line of work (cell phone store operators) |
| 13:48.52 | saftsack | and can i compile the package in any way so that it is handled as a normal dep? |
| 13:48.59 | saftsack | debfile i mean |
| 13:49.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: it'd be cool |
| 13:49.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd also like the homepage of long desc linked |
| 13:49.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: how can we make it happen? |
| 13:49.37 | MrNaz | i really dont see why software has to be so complex... end user ware should be far easier to use... all you need to do is make coders code with their grandma in the room |
| 13:49.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: /msg Myon about it |
| 13:49.42 | rss | Hi, I have installed the proprietary driver for ATI X300 Mobility VGA card... it is slow and evil. Can ordinary 2d display be achieved through a "free" driver? |
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| 13:49.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: why Myon? |
| 13:50.02 | abrotman | does he do p.d.o now? |
| 13:50.09 | Myon | hmm? |
| 13:50.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have no idea. ask |
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| 13:50.27 | Myon | .oO(good, no question, no trouble) |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: so why did you tell me to ask him? |
| 13:50.31 | Eulex | rss, yes, just use the ati driver instead of fglrx. |
| 13:50.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe he knows |
| 13:50.39 | saftsack | abrotman, howto build a deb package? |
| 13:50.43 | Eulex | rss, and indeed, fglrx is slow. |
| 13:50.47 | abrotman | Myon: i was wondering about the difficulty in getting the rules file on packages.d.o |
| 13:50.53 | tarzeau | saftsack: dein nick ist scheisse |
| 13:50.55 | abrotman | saftsack: didn't that factoid tell you? |
| 13:50.56 | Eulex | !drxx rss |
| 13:50.56 | dpkg | rss: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:50.59 | tarzeau | saftsack: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
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| 13:51.37 | Myon | abrotman: hmm, that's in the source package, not in the binary like copyright/changelog |
| 13:51.49 | Myon | ask djpig or jvw :) |
| 13:51.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: the diff.gz file has it |
| 13:51.54 | rss | Eulex: doing... :) I know how to configure the X, the debian way too! |
| 13:52.09 | Myon | tarzeau: there are native packages |
| 13:52.10 | abrotman | Myon: yeah .. iknow .. but i think it'd be pretty darn useful .. or how about patching up the packaging apps to put the rules file in the binary package |
| 13:52.14 | tarzeau | Myon: i know |
| 13:52.24 | tarzeau | Myon: but much less than there are non-native packages :) |
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| 13:52.42 | Myon | abrotman: the whole debian/* would be interesting |
| 13:52.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: how about you apply for NM today? |
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| 13:52.47 | tarzeau | Myon: exactly :) |
| 13:52.48 | Myon | maybe even the complete source |
| 13:52.53 | Eulex | rss, :) what laptop have you got, btw? |
| 13:52.57 | Dj_Spy | nobody any experience with bind9 patching to bind9+mysql? |
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| 13:53.11 | tarzeau | Myon: i really want long desc homepage linked if existing, otherwise the copyright download link |
| 13:53.24 | abrotman | Myon: erm .. i guess .. but more the rules file to see what options they were compiled with |
| 13:53.28 | blueSmurf | MrNaz, LOL, or you can teach your granma to code... Hacker Granma! |
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| 13:53.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: you mean a link to the original author's homepage? |
| 13:54.14 | MrNaz | blueSmurf ph34r the gr4ndm4 hax0r! |
| 13:54.20 | Dreamlogi | does anyone know what kind of network driver to use for a dell poweredge 1850? |
| 13:54.21 | blueSmurf | LOL |
| 13:54.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: whatever is in long description/ and debian/copyright file |
| 13:54.31 | abrotman | Dreamlogi: what kind of NIC |
| 13:54.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: preferably the package page |
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| 13:54.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's already there |
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| 13:54.37 | Mjck | what version works on debian .. kbfx ? |
| 13:54.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: where? |
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| 13:54.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4 .. isn't that the long description ? |
| 13:54.49 | Dreamlogi | abrotman: thats what I've been trying to find out as well ;) |
| 13:54.54 | abrotman | Dreamlogi: lspci |
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| 13:55.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: if it's not in long description. make a link from the copyright file |
| 13:55.36 | Dreamlogi | abrotman: all the information I got from dell here is that its an onboard 10/100/1000 network card (double). |
| 13:55.43 | abrotman | if WHAT isn't in the long description ? |
| 13:55.45 | saloxin | Dreamlogi: 1855 have e1000 |
| 13:55.53 | abrotman | Dreamlogi: lspci .. it will give you more information |
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| 13:56.10 | abrotman | i'm sure it's an e100 or e1000 .. dell salivates on intel like that |
| 13:56.19 | debian12yrold | I'm a n00b, hpw do you install and set up a DHCP server with IPv6 support in Debian? |
| 13:56.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not link the source names very left? from these pages http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 13:56.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: the Homepage:// |
| 13:56.49 | Mjck | what version works on debian .. kbfx ? |
| 13:56.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: not all packages have homepage link in description |
| 13:56.56 | Dreamlogi | abrotman: thanks. |
| 13:57.01 | tarzeau | Mjck: wtf is kbfx? |
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| 13:57.28 | Mjck | k-button fx |
| 13:57.46 | abrotman | debian12yrold: apt-cache search DHCP IPv6 .. find one that supports it .. install it .. configure it |
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| 13:57.50 | Mjck | it replaces k-button |
| 13:57.59 | saloxin | debian12yrold: try dnsmasq - supports ipv6, small and human-readable config |
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| 13:58.02 | debian12yrold | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:58.06 | blueSmurf | OK. |
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| 13:58.25 | abrotman | saloxin: dhcp? |
| 13:58.33 | saloxin | yup + dns cache |
| 13:58.36 | ravi | Eulex: ati driver freezed the computer and X too did not start |
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| 13:58.41 | abrotman | i didn't konw dnsmasq did dhcp |
| 13:58.51 | blueSmurf | I figured out how to collect the chosen data from a whiptail menu (well, figured out, googled) |
| 13:59.23 | rss | Eulex: ati driver freezed the computer and X too did not start |
| 13:59.34 | blueSmurf | You can redirect stdout to a file on calling whiptail (whiptail prints the selection to stdout) |
| 13:59.38 | Eulex | rss, oh. nice... |
| 13:59.56 | blueSmurf | and from the script read the data whiptail spat out. |
| 13:59.56 | saloxin | abrotman: combines the two so machines sending in prefered machine name with dhcp request gets it registered in dns as well |
| 14:00.28 | rss | Eulex: some one said to use the " |
| 14:00.44 | rss | svga driver if the kernel is framebuffer is enabled |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | saloxin: good to know i guess .. |
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| 14:01.43 | Eulex | rss, rather use the ati driver. that is, the one that is open source. |
| 14:02.09 | rss | Eulex: It did not work... :( |
| 14:02.25 | Eulex | rss, why? |
| 14:02.41 | abrotman | what card is this? |
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| 14:02.52 | Eulex | x300 |
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| 14:03.00 | pzn_ | abrotman, jm_: it seems that all modules that segfault were because of i810_audio module. I removed the file i810_audio.ko and the notebook booted and no other module segfaulted! |
| 14:03.04 | ruben | Hi, what is the way 'to lie' nmap scans with iptables? |
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| 14:03.20 | Eulex | rss, what happened? what did it say? what does the X log say? |
| 14:03.21 | abrotman | pzn_: which kernel? |
| 14:03.30 | abrotman | you mean r300 ? |
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| 14:03.52 | Eulex | abrotman, the chipset of the mobility x300 is an r370. so, both. |
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| 14:04.40 | abrotman | hrm .. ok |
| 14:04.45 | abrotman | xfree or xorg? |
| 14:04.47 | pzn_ | abrotman, sarge official CD, kernel 2.6 |
| 14:04.50 | pzn_ | -686 |
| 14:04.58 | abrotman | pzn_: hrm .. ok .. |
| 14:05.30 | Eulex | rss, as abrotman said, xfree86 or xorg? and if xorg, what version? |
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| 14:05.57 | rss | Eulex: sarge, xfree86 |
| 14:06.10 | rss | abrotman: ATI X300 Mobility |
| 14:06.26 | pzn_ | abrotman, strange solution... but as I'll not use audio, it is ok for me... |
| 14:06.54 | abrotman | pzn_: well .. they have newer kernels at backports.org .. might be nice to have sound some day :) |
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| 14:07.38 | Eulex | rss, ok, that should be ok. what happened when you attempted to start X? |
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| 14:08.17 | pzn_ | abrotman, sure! |
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| 14:08.58 | Eulex | rss, oh, and could you try re-running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and deselect the dri module when it asks about it? |
| 14:09.00 | x`y`-xy | how can create a user in debian .. ?? |
| 14:09.07 | Eulex | x`y`-xy, adduser |
| 14:09.30 | x`y`-xy | thx |
| 14:09.34 | Eulex | yw :) |
| 14:09.59 | Vantage13 | has anyone else noticed that aide is rediculously slow since 0.11a-3 went in to unstable? |
| 14:10.10 | rss | Eulex: ok |
| 14:10.15 | Eulex | Vantage13, checked the bts? |
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| 14:10.35 | Vantage13 | Eulex: yeah, i didn't see anything, so I wanted to see if it was just me before I reported it |
| 14:10.42 | abrotman | !tell x`y`-xy about grounding |
| 14:10.58 | Eulex | Vantage13, oh, ok |
| 14:10.59 | minerale | Eulex, xyxy: I se math math math, oh, fond memories of Euler and Vector Calculus |
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| 14:12.40 | Eulex | minerale, haha, actually, my nick has nothing to do with Euler, it has a completely different origin. But indeed, I'm interested in maths. |
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| 14:15.08 | dos000 | anyone can explain why someone would prefer to use /etc/inittab instead of creating a start/stop in /etc/init.d ? which script will run first the one in inittab or the one in /etc/rc{}.d ? |
| 14:15.20 | ChristmasCpp | hi all |
| 14:15.25 | voyd | hi, can anyone tell me how to check id pear db is working properly? i'm having a problem with the squirrelmail change_sqlpass plugin |
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| 14:15.38 | ChristmasCpp | does anybody has a repository so i can install linux dc++? |
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| 14:16.01 | abrotman | distcc ? |
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| 14:16.29 | blueSmurf | See you all |
| 14:16.30 | mkl1525 | Hi, is it possible to put the businesscard netinst image on a usb stick and install debian from this? |
| 14:16.32 | vosti | ChristmasCpp, try on apt-get.org |
| 14:16.41 | x`y`-xy | how can exit from a man ??? |
| 14:16.54 | Ronin | x`y`-xy: try hitting q |
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| 14:17.35 | karrot-x | everytime i try to compile maildrop from courier i get a libfam error |
| 14:17.40 | karrot-x | has anyone else experienced this? |
| 14:17.40 | Shadowcat | no |
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| 14:17.47 | Shadowcat | ChristmasCpp wants DC++ |
| 14:17.51 | Shadowcat | so that he can download warez |
| 14:17.54 | ChristmasCpp | yes |
| 14:17.57 | karrot-x | i've done a lot of google searching and it seems to be epidemic on debians stable |
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| 14:18.05 | ChristmasCpp | i only need linux dc++ |
| 14:18.08 | Shadowcat | ChristmasCpp: learn how to install it yourself |
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| 14:18.12 | ChristmasCpp | i am a newbie to linux and debian |
| 14:18.14 | Shadowcat | we ain't teaching you |
| 14:18.22 | Shadowcat | !warez |
| 14:18.22 | dpkg | warez is, like, what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 14:18.22 | ChristmasCpp | well Shadowcat i tried |
| 14:18.31 | ChristmasCpp | but didn't succeed :( |
| 14:18.33 | Tchiak | christmas.. even though we are open source warez is for retards.. |
| 14:18.49 | ChristmasCpp | warez? why is dc++ warez? |
| 14:18.51 | Shadowcat | ChristmasCpp: in this case, we really don't care |
| 14:19.01 | ChristmasCpp | anyway thanks for your time |
| 14:19.09 | Shadowcat | ChristmasCpp: oh please, we weren't born yesturday |
| 14:19.21 | Shadowcat | DC++ == warez == go take it somewhere else |
| 14:19.53 | Tchiak | i was born yesterday |
| 14:20.01 | ChristmasCpp | ok thanks |
| 14:20.03 | Tchiak | i grew up quick :P |
| 14:20.09 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 14:20.29 | Shadowcat | zamaliphe: please turn that off |
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| 14:20.34 | ChristmasCpp | i just found it in an oregon repository |
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| 14:20.47 | ChristmasCpp | guess i have to make some searching before asking |
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| 14:20.56 | Shadowcat | heh third party deb |
| 14:20.59 | Tchiak | I'm running BX and the time is now 9:17am |
| 14:21.02 | Shadowcat | we won't help you if that screws up your system either |
| 14:21.09 | Shadowcat | which it probably will |
| 14:21.44 | Tchiak | i tend to do stupid stuff often so that's why i now have my linux spread across several partitions.. just in case |
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| 14:22.08 | Shadowcat | all you need is /home on a separate partition |
| 14:22.09 | kspath | Tchiak: How does that help again? |
| 14:22.23 | Tchiak | i have /usr and /home on seperate partitions |
| 14:22.24 | Shadowcat | well... that and a swap partition |
| 14:22.32 | Tchiak | yeah swap is handy |
| 14:22.33 | Shadowcat | having /usr somewhere else is kind of redundant |
| 14:22.42 | Shadowcat | especially if you're using a package system |
| 14:22.45 | Tchiak | unless your running some 12gb of ram |
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| 14:22.58 | Tchiak | yeah.. i'm a redundant type of person :P |
| 14:23.04 | Shadowcat | you're gonna need swap no matter how much ram you have |
| 14:23.10 | abrotman | !usb-install |
| 14:23.11 | dpkg | from memory, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 14:23.11 | Tchiak | btw what is the point of mounint /tmp to a partition? |
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| 14:23.12 | Shadowcat | otherwise disk access will be slow as hell |
| 14:23.14 | Tchiak | i've seen people do it |
| 14:23.16 | crazy_penguin | can someone tell what causes the invalid ip used error in the web browser? |
| 14:23.40 | Tchiak | an invalid ip being used? |
| 14:23.47 | Shadowcat | Tchiak: that's done in servers |
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| 14:23.57 | Shadowcat | servers have lots of temp files being created |
| 14:24.04 | Shadowcat | and if you don't want to fragment the root fs |
| 14:24.09 | Shadowcat | you dump /tmp on a separate partition |
| 14:24.13 | Tchiak | yeah that makes sense |
| 14:24.16 | Shadowcat | also helps if you happen to have runaway processes |
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| 14:24.28 | Shadowcat | in which case separate /tmp and /var partitiosn can save your ass |
| 14:24.40 | Shadowcat | partitions* |
| 14:25.02 | Tchiak | my main box just has /home and /usr on another partition |
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| 14:25.25 | kspath | having /var on a separate set of disks can be nice if you are doing a significant amount of logging. |
| 14:25.36 | Tchiak | and i have like 20gb of free space on the drive that hasn't been used yet incase i do need windows for some game |
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| 14:26.40 | Tchiak | i think /usr is advantageous for me cause while i download a lot of packages.. i also sometimes compile from source programs that debian doesn't have available in the stable |
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| 14:26.58 | Shadowcat | err no |
| 14:27.00 | Tchiak | and thats why sometimes i end up kearening off the cliff of kernel :P |
| 14:27.08 | Shadowcat | keeping /usr will mean that you have to keep /var and /etc |
| 14:27.15 | Shadowcat | otherwise your system will be out of dkpg sync |
| 14:27.21 | Shadowcat | which means, YOU'RE SCREWED |
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| 14:27.44 | Tchiak | meh |
| 14:27.48 | Tchiak | wouldn't be the first time |
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| 14:28.01 | Tchiak | everytime i screw up i learn a bit more |
| 14:28.02 | Tchiak | :P |
| 14:28.16 | kspath | Tchiak: You are learning a lot? |
| 14:28.21 | Tchiak | quite a bit |
| 14:28.24 | Tchiak | from when i first started |
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| 14:28.43 | Tchiak | i've learned chmod is not your best friend.. |
| 14:28.51 | Shadowcat | chmod -R 000 / |
| 14:28.53 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 14:28.58 | Tchiak | O_O |
| 14:29.01 | Tchiak | umm no |
| 14:29.02 | Tchiak | :P |
| 14:29.12 | Shadowcat | oh come on, it's so much fun |
| 14:29.13 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 14:29.19 | kspath | Tchiak: perhaps man is your best friend? |
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| 14:29.23 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, even better, chown root.root -R / |
| 14:29.24 | Tchiak | that's a bit like rm -rf / |
| 14:29.40 | Edward_TLS | find . -exec rm {} \; |
| 14:29.48 | Tchiak | oh nice one kspath.. cheap shot |
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| 14:29.57 | Shadowcat | Eulex: that just gives root access of all files doesn't it? |
| 14:29.58 | vinboy | if i use SATA harddisk, do i need to enable SCSI support? |
| 14:30.06 | Dj_Spy | no |
| 14:30.09 | kspath | Tchiak: How is it a "cheap shot |
| 14:30.13 | kspath | "? |
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| 14:30.46 | Tchiak | <kspath> Tchiak: perhaps man is your best friend? --> i got the impression you were saying i like the company of men |
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| 14:30.58 | Tchiak | o |
| 14:31.11 | Tchiak | i'm still to unsure of SATA to get into it seriously |
| 14:31.11 | x`y`-xy | how can extract a compresed file in tar.gz format ??? |
| 14:31.16 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, indeed, and denies access to any file that happened to be not world-readable/writable to all other users. which means that random stuff will be failing. |
| 14:31.29 | Eulex | x`y`-xy, tar -xvzf foo.tar.gz |
| 14:31.29 | Tchiak | but i've been thinking of building another file server, this time with SCSI |
| 14:31.33 | x`y`-xy | thx |
| 14:31.41 | kspath | Tchiak: man is a command you said chmod is not your best friend. Did you damage your short term memory? |
| 14:31.46 | Shadowcat | Eulex: I like my method better :P |
| 14:32.07 | Tchiak | <kspath> Yeah.. killed a few brain cells last night when i went out and got hammered |
| 14:32.12 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, hehe, it's more direct. mine is more decieving >:) |
| 14:32.28 | Shadowcat | chown shadowcat:shadowcat -R Eulex |
| 14:32.30 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 14:32.40 | kspath | Tchiak: If you read it as man than it would have been man as in the group of all (most) humans. |
| 14:32.47 | lpb-oberon | how do i tell the xserver to start a certain window manager? |
| 14:32.49 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, n00000 |
| 14:33.12 | Tchiak | lpb-oberon: scream at it really loudly |
| 14:33.22 | Tchiak | lpb-oberon: or ask it polietly |
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| 14:34.06 | kspath | Tchiak: English is your 2nd or 3rd language? |
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| 14:34.56 | ashridah | hm. the FAQ: link in the topic leads to a 404 error document. |
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| 14:35.03 | peppet | lpb-oberon: echo wmaker >~/.xinitrc;xinit |
| 14:35.08 | karrot-x | can someone send me a link to all the stable apt servers |
| 14:35.13 | bernd | hi, is apt using wget ? |
| 14:35.15 | karrot-x | s/servers/sources/ |
| 14:35.29 | abrotman | all of them? why? |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | bernd: no .. i don't think it does |
| 14:35.44 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.53 | abrotman | !depends apt |
| 14:35.54 | karrot-x | abrotman: i normally use berkley but that seems to be down now, i need to find some new ones |
| 14:35.56 | dpkg | apt: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4) |
| 14:36.00 | abrotman | karrot-x: apt-setup |
| 14:36.12 | karrot-x | thanks |
| 14:36.16 | bernd | i have a problem with anonproxy and tor, i cant update my sourcelists |
| 14:36.17 | abrotman | bernd: i would think if it used wget .. it would be a dependency |
| 14:36.24 | Tchiak | kspath: no, english is my only language.. i'm just too damned lazy to follow punctuation, grammar, and spelling |
| 14:36.41 | bernd | i fixt wget with proxy=off but apt doesnt work |
| 14:36.46 | abrotman | mmm ... yay for the death of english language :) |
| 14:36.53 | Tchiak | hooray! |
| 14:36.54 | lpb-oberon | ah thx peppet:) i am starting it now with X -audit 0 -layout "foobar" so i have to pass the layout option to xinit:) |
| 14:36.55 | abrotman | bernd: there are proxy settings for apt |
| 14:37.03 | unity | no! just because this is irc doesn't mean we should mangle the language! |
| 14:37.09 | kspath | !tell lpb-oberon about thx |
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| 14:37.17 | bernd | abrotman, where? :) |
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| 14:37.23 | Tchiak | yo nizzle for shizzle my hizzle.. wussup |
| 14:37.32 | abrotman | bernd: man apt.conf .. i think it should lead you in the right direction |
| 14:37.37 | unity | werd fo shizzle. keep it real, man |
| 14:37.38 | bernd | okok cool |
| 14:37.48 | kspath | abrotman: We really should make a collection for a grave stone for the English language. |
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| 14:37.58 | abrotman | kspath: take a collection? :) |
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| 14:38.22 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.32 | kspath | abrotman: both are valid and likely some other variations as well. |
| 14:38.37 | Fraze | Hello, I'm searching for a free program that I'll be able to connect to a win2k computer in my lan and control it's keyboard from my srage machine.. anyideas? |
| 14:38.37 | abrotman | zamaliphe: and how exactly will that help him? |
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| 14:38.50 | abrotman | Fraze: there is rdesktop ... |
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| 14:39.03 | abrotman | Fraze: or look at VNC |
| 14:39.23 | Rokyu_ | hi...does anyone know, in ifconfig output,the meaning of the Interrupt line...usually in the end? |
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| 14:39.29 | Fraze | abrotman: what VNC?.. On google there are several links.. |
| 14:39.33 | abrotman | !vnc |
| 14:39.33 | dpkg | well, vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
| 14:39.48 | abrotman | Fraze: rdesktop will work with terminal services or remote desktop |
| 14:39.56 | Tchiak | I have fractured thinking, because of various disablities, one being ADHD. While some may not consider ADHD to be a true disability, I welcome anyone to spend a day in my mind. This affliction has created many problems in my quest to understand programming languages, as my approaches are often excessive in scale and complexity. |
| 14:40.09 | abrotman | ADHD doesn't mean you can't spell .. |
| 14:40.15 | Fraze | abrotman: I'm searching for gui connection.. |
| 14:40.23 | kspath | abrotman: I wonder what this new form of "English" will be called in the future. Vulgar Latin splintered into latin languages. |
| 14:40.23 | abrotman | Fraze: yes .. like RDP or VNC |
| 14:40.27 | zamaliphe | <abrotman> i say what i know |
| 14:40.31 | ceplma | !x-not-vnc |
| 14:40.31 | dpkg | i guess x-not-vnc is instead of running a vnc server on Linux, run an X server on windows (MicroImages has a free (beer) one http://www.microimages.com/mix/mix-faq.htm) and use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about sshx to learn how) |
| 14:40.33 | abrotman | but it's wrong? |
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| 14:40.48 | zamaliphe | <abrotman> i say what i know |
| 14:40.50 | ceplma | !sshx |
| 14:40.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 14:40.50 | Fraze | abrotman: hmm.. so What program name should I download to the win2k? |
| 14:40.51 | iter | Fraze: check out logmein.com |
| 14:40.56 | abrotman | zamaliphe: but it's wrong |
| 14:41.00 | iter | really nice, and free |
| 14:41.05 | iter | can control from any web browser |
| 14:41.14 | iter | (and no I don't work for them) |
| 14:41.17 | Fraze | iter: Okie.. thanks |
| 14:41.19 | Tchiak | You are correct abortman, ADHD does not directly attribute to spelling errors, however, it can cause fractured thinking, which results in lapses in concentration. These lapses can be a underlying source for incorrectly spelled words. |
| 14:41.19 | abrotman | Fraze: if you use RDP .. you just have to install the Terminal Services .. if you use VNC .. pick a free VNC server for win32 |
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| 14:41.31 | abrotman | Tchiak: right .. if you say so |
| 14:41.38 | iter | also if you want to go vnc route, I recommend tightVNC |
| 14:41.45 | abrotman | ultravnc isn't bad either |
| 14:41.50 | Tchiak | You sir, are an ape descendant. |
| 14:41.54 | Fraze | Okie :) thanks abrotman & iter |
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| 14:42.03 | abrotman | Tchiak: i am .. but i can spell :) |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | i don't have one! |
| 14:42.33 | Shadowcat | liar |
| 14:42.40 | abrotman | no .. really .. i don't |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | wait till i misspell "you" as "oyu" |
| 14:42.57 | Shadowcat | so why do you have a file called /etc/init.d/spelling then :P |
| 14:43.06 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.09 | Tchiak | As you may have noticed(from my previous examples), spelling is something I can do quite well. Though this is not a skill I tend to practice all that often in area's of informal communication. |
| 14:43.16 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i will bet you one million dollars i don't |
| 14:43.33 | abrotman | zamaliphe: i told him to read the man page .. you just gave him a directory .. which isn't much help |
| 14:43.55 | abrotman | zamaliphe: and you used the wrong file name |
| 14:43.56 | zamaliphe | <abrotman> ok |
| 14:43.58 | unity | i am your spelling daemon |
| 14:44.10 | abrotman | Shadowcat: care to try again ? |
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| 14:44.17 | abrotman | there isn't even a file called apt.config |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | or rather .. there shouldn't be |
| 14:44.22 | Tchiak | Thank god, you are not our grammar or punctuation daemon. |
| 14:44.26 | Shadowcat | apt.conf |
| 14:44.31 | Shadowcat | and that file has to be created by you |
| 14:44.33 | abrotman | Shadowcat: i konw that |
| 14:44.34 | abrotman | know |
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| 14:44.45 | Tchiak | i call shenanigans! |
| 14:45.02 | Tchiak | Damned shift key. |
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| 14:47.17 | zamaliphe | <abrotman> sorry for that but I'm using spell check and he didn't like apt.conf :) :) |
| 14:47.30 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 14:48.31 | zamaliphe | :) :) |
| 14:48.34 | azeem | zamaliphe: can you please not address people in angle brackets? |
| 14:48.36 | zamaliphe | !!! |
| 14:48.36 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 14:48.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:49.16 | SpComb | hmm |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | !stupid nickcomplete azeem |
| 14:49.17 | dpkg | /°¤> azeem <¤°\ Isn't my nick complete really annoying? |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | i forget who had that .. it was pretty bad |
| 14:49.33 | karrot-x | what's that site to temporarily post your code? |
| 14:49.37 | karrot-x | something dump? |
| 14:49.41 | abrotman | pastebin.ca or pastebin.com ? |
| 14:49.42 | SpComb | not even, just type aze-<tab> |
| 14:49.52 | kspath | !tell karrot-x about paste |
| 14:49.59 | SpComb | any sensible client will ignore the crap :P |
| 14:50.06 | karrot-x | oh ya, pastebin |
| 14:50.07 | karrot-x | thanks |
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| 14:50.21 | ceplma | !flood |
| 14:50.22 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:50.53 | abrotman | bernd: did you find what you were looking for? |
| 14:51.27 | bernd | abrotman, no not really but im on ubuntu that make it harder :) |
| 14:51.36 | abrotman | you could ask #ubuntu also |
| 14:51.40 | jethro | :] |
| 14:51.45 | abrotman | jethro: ? |
| 14:51.47 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.47 | kspath | abrotman: instead? |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | how'd you get in here? |
| 14:51.59 | bernd | hmm ok i dont say what im thinking about this chanel :) |
| 14:52.08 | abrotman | we're not nice? |
| 14:52.16 | superlinux | I wanna be able to show arabic fonts on my terminal how? |
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| 14:52.23 | azeem | zamaliphe: yes |
| 14:52.30 | superlinux | the issue is I changed my env |
| 14:52.33 | andres2 | hi |
| 14:52.37 | bernd | abrotman, not here #ubuntu i mean |
| 14:52.41 | jethro | abrotman: xorg 7.0 in sid made me join, I wanted to check if there were any info :p |
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| 14:53.03 | wam | jethro: wiki.debian.org/StatusOfUnstable |
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| 14:53.08 | kspath | jethro: Is there anything in the topic for you? |
| 14:53.23 | ceplma | jethro: info about what? (& read the topic of the day) |
| 14:53.26 | jethro | wam: I can read /topic |
| 14:53.34 | jethro | ffs, did I ask anyone here for support? I don't think so |
| 14:54.13 | dsg | does any one know where Libsenor3 is located |
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| 14:54.53 | kspath | dsg: You already installed it or want to install? |
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| 14:54.59 | abrotman | jethro: support me! |
| 14:55.08 | jethro | :] |
| 14:55.13 | dsg | want to install |
| 14:55.28 | ceplma | dsg: you mean libsensor3, right? |
| 14:55.49 | dsg | rght |
| 14:55.52 | kspath | dsg: apt-cache search libsensor and apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search libsensor |
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| 14:56.03 | ceplma | dsg: (missing s), you probably want dpkg -L libsensor3 |
| 14:56.07 | sylvain_ | hi |
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| 14:56.27 | ceplma | dsg: or maybe what kspath suggested) |
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| 14:56.43 | sylvain_ | where i can find a tuto on how install debian onto stick usb with debootstrap ? |
| 14:56.48 | minerale | is there a comprihensive list somehwere that matches the prompt characters, $,%,etc w/ the respective shell? |
| 14:56.56 | dsg | thanks i will try |
| 14:57.05 | abrotman | !usb-install |
| 14:57.06 | dpkg | i heard usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 14:57.14 | minerale | compri/compre* |
| 14:57.17 | Tchiak | Almost time for work. |
| 14:57.34 | sylvain_ | thanks dpkg |
| 14:57.34 | dpkg | sylvain_: bitte |
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| 14:57.57 | sylvain_ | dpkg, bitte ? |
| 14:58.07 | Tchiak | bitte |
| 14:58.20 | kspath | Apparently, welcome in Germanic tongue. |
| 14:58.34 | zamaliphe | <superlinux> apt-get --force-yes -y install bicon |
| 14:58.38 | pablo_ | bitte=you're welcome |
| 14:58.38 | sylvain_ | dpkg, sorry i'm french, i don't understand "bitte" :s |
| 14:58.48 | Tchiak | ohayogozimasu |
| 14:58.50 | pablo_ | bitte=de rien |
| 14:58.54 | superlinux | ok thanks |
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| 14:58.59 | sylvain_ | thanks Pablo :d |
| 14:59.23 | pablo_ | bitte :p |
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| 14:59.42 | superlinux | zamaliphe, which list is that? stable/testing? |
| 14:59.56 | yos87 | hi |
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| 15:00.23 | kspath | Do the people saying hi want approximately 800 people to say hi back? |
| 15:00.35 | sylvain_ | dpkg, my question is not "install debian from usb", but install debiain onto stick usb |
| 15:00.35 | dpkg | ...but my question is already something else... |
| 15:00.36 | Tchiak | if i combine stable/unstable/testing into one environment.. would i get something similar to the stability of windows? |
| 15:00.47 | ceplma | kspath: of course :-) |
| 15:00.47 | zamaliphe | <superlinux> i think in any list you can find it |
| 15:00.52 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 15:00.52 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 15:01.01 | Braindead | Tchiak: if you're making such a question,yes. you would end up in a big mess |
| 15:01.25 | Tchiak | Braindead: I'm not quite that dumb. |
| 15:01.34 | yos87 | kspath: 780 people, and not all of them are talking |
| 15:01.40 | abrotman | Tchiak: you'd throw in experimental too |
| 15:01.42 | Braindead | Tchiak: good luck then |
| 15:01.49 | yos87 | kspath: not more 10 talking |
| 15:01.56 | SpComb | 11! |
| 15:02.03 | Tchiak | that's cause most of us just log the channel |
| 15:02.06 | ceplma | Tchiak: and some home-made packages and some unpackaged stuff into /usr/local ... :-) |
| 15:02.06 | zamaliphe | <superlinux> i use arabian linux with |
| 15:02.09 | Tchiak | then search logs for keywords if we have a problem |
| 15:02.12 | zamaliphe | <superlinux> deb http://athlon64.fsij.org/archive/2005/10/25/debian unstable main |
| 15:02.17 | Tchiak | and see if someone answered it before |
| 15:02.19 | yos87 | sylvain_: ;you can install to external strage device, it's normal |
| 15:02.27 | SpComb | Tchiak: wouldn't it be better for one person to log and the rest to just search those logs? |
| 15:02.35 | bronze | yos87: each channel usually has no more than 3-4 active talkrs at a time. |
| 15:02.45 | Tchiak | no spcomb cause what if i was offline and doing work |
| 15:02.46 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.48 | bronze | more than that and the conversatiuon threads become too diffuse. |
| 15:02.49 | Tchiak | i woudln't be able to search then |
| 15:02.52 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 15:02.58 | SpComb | how silly |
| 15:03.10 | SpComb | that's the same reason people don't want to put their music on a server |
| 15:03.13 | Tchiak | of course there might not even be 1 person doing that |
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| 15:03.42 | Tchiak | they are prolly all just idle cause it's easier than having to connect back up :P |
| 15:03.49 | yos87 | bronze: why? I don't know this actually, and I can see more the 5 nick here! |
| 15:03.55 | zamaliphe | <superlinux> no problem |
| 15:03.57 | SpComb | http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/tycoon/search <- for instance, but whatever |
| 15:04.00 | azeem | zamaliphe: argh! |
| 15:04.07 | bronze | yos87: why what? |
| 15:04.13 | SpComb | everyone just haul their 250 GB external hard drives around |
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| 15:04.15 | Tchiak | SpComb.. i really don't have much of an interest spcomb |
| 15:04.17 | azeem | zamaliphe: what IRC client do you use? |
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| 15:04.49 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.58 | azeem | zamaliphe: does it not tab-complete? |
| 15:05.01 | sylvain_ | yos87, of course i can install debian to an external storage device, but i want to make my config on my hard drive, and apply it on my stick |
| 15:05.03 | SpComb | people thing centralizing stuff is evil :( |
| 15:05.04 | Tchiak | this is to provide a central repository of data w/o allowing some dumbass on one network loop to infect the entire network with viruses |
| 15:05.08 | yos87 | bronze: i mean why there nare lemit, the channel can hold 100 person talkin in same time |
| 15:05.09 | azeem | zamaliphe: type the first few chars of a nick and hit <tab> |
| 15:05.32 | azeem | zamaliphe: your addressing style is highly confusing as that is usually used to *quote* people |
| 15:05.43 | saloxin | anyone can figure out why ipmitool over lan only works if the interface is set in promiscuous mode? |
| 15:05.51 | azeem | now consider: |
| 15:05.58 | Tchiak | i have 3 network cards in the FS one linked to each network loop |
| 15:05.58 | bronze | yos87: Yes, but how many can a single human follow, or discern out of mant parallel threads? |
| 15:05.59 | azeem | never mind |
| 15:06.03 | zamaliphe | azeem: ok |
| 15:06.11 | azeem | \o/ |
| 15:06.25 | yos87 | sylvain_ : but why you want to make the configeruation and all hardware in your main hdd and you want to more to the stick? what is your destenation exactly?\ |
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| 15:06.32 | Tchiak | the FS stores files and protect the rest of the network nodes in case of infection |
| 15:06.33 | sylvain_ | yos87, i know i can do this with debootstrap, but is there a howto ? |
| 15:06.35 | zamaliphe | azeem: but what is *quote* |
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| 15:06.58 | yos87 | bronze: each person will listen to his nick |
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| 15:07.10 | sylvain_ | yos87, i have to use debootstrap and chroot |
| 15:07.13 | Tchiak | god i wish they would just hurry up and automate my job |
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| 15:07.27 | yos87 | bronze: Please, tell me, are you sure that ther is lemit on each channel? or you just suspect that? |
| 15:07.31 | bronze | yos87: You're speculating, go and observe, log a few channels and analyze |
| 15:07.33 | superlinux | zamaliphe, which LUG do you belong? |
| 15:07.33 | azeem | 17:00 < zamaliphe> azeem: but what is *quote* |
| 15:07.36 | azeem | that |
| 15:07.42 | sylvain_ | yos87, then, i copy all the contents of /chroot/ to /mnt/sda1 (for exemple) |
| 15:07.47 | azeem | as you see, that involves angle brackets as well |
| 15:08.12 | bronze | yos87: Its not a limit on the channel. Its a limit of human behavior |
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| 15:09.31 | Tchiak | ; |
| 15:09.36 | yos87 | bronze: ok, I understand you, I should not say hi, sorry |
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| 15:09.50 | bronze | yos87: np, Hi! |
| 15:09.57 | zamaliphe | superlinux: I'm Egyptian Arabic |
| 15:10.23 | superlinux | ana min Lebnan falastini ya zalameh! |
| 15:10.29 | ceplma | /join #kopete |
| 15:10.36 | superlinux | ana wa7ad min LUG LB |
| 15:10.46 | yos87 | bronze: but I can see now, tchiak bronze azeem sylvain_ zamaliphe and super linux adn ceplalm saloxin |
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| 15:11.02 | azeem | yos87: huh |
| 15:11.03 | azeem | ? |
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| 15:11.18 | yos87 | azeem: how are you |
| 15:11.18 | bronze | yos87: This channel is very busy, higher than avergae. |
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| 15:11.30 | bronze | *average* |
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| 15:11.51 | zamaliphe | superlinux: :] :] :) |
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| 15:12.21 | stouset | If anyone could help me out with a modem issue ASAP, I would be hugely indebted to you. |
| 15:12.26 | superlinux | you know I am teaching Linux and I know fair enough about pppoe and traffic shaping using tc and tcng |
| 15:12.46 | Tchiak | muwahaha.. windows XP clients connected to a unix backend with a DEC-10 mainframe |
| 15:12.52 | yos87 | superlinux: you are arabic? |
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| 15:13.08 | superlinux | yae ,Ah ya zalameh! |
| 15:13.11 | stouset | Got an intel 8x0m modem driver, trying to dial out via minicom. at commands work, get OK. However, atdt always results in "NO DIALTONE", despite the clear existence of a dialtone on the phone. |
| 15:13.14 | superlinux | palestinian |
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| 15:13.44 | yos87 | superlinux: near ! |
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| 15:14.04 | Tchiak | god i'm glad I dont' use die-al up anymore |
| 15:14.09 | superlinux | the only problem I have is how to install that pentacard and config it. the issue is that we are not allowed to rout the uplink on dish but on wired links |
| 15:14.15 | superlinux | land lines |
| 15:14.23 | stouset | Tchiak: I don't either. It's for a remote test for a serial link to a hotel Property Management System. |
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| 15:14.37 | stouset | Anyone here familiar with modems/minicom/sl-modem-daemon under Debian? :\ |
| 15:14.40 | superlinux | yos87, this is my skype id ranixlb call me, Ill be running it now |
| 15:14.46 | zamaliphe | yos87: he Say that he is from lebnan |
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| 15:14.54 | POVaddct | stouset: soft modems (winmodems) suck. they are no real modems, just crap. |
| 15:15.05 | abrotman | stouset: just ask! |
| 15:15.05 | Tchiak | yes.. winmodems suck |
| 15:15.07 | stouset | POVaddct: Understood. Not much I can do about that, gotta use the builtin modem in my laptop. |
| 15:15.10 | stouset | abrotman: I did. :\ |
| 15:15.12 | abrotman | stouset: i have an slmodem in my laptop |
| 15:15.14 | yos87 | zamaliphe: I did not notic |
| 15:15.27 | Tchiak | i dont' understand why but for some reason i have a ISA to PCI adapter card.. it makes no sense |
| 15:15.31 | POVaddct | stouset: can you attach a normal serial modem to a serial port? |
| 15:15.32 | Tchiak | i don't even know if it works @_@ |
| 15:15.46 | superlinux | POVaddct, you know what I which I burn the winmodem designes forever! |
| 15:15.46 | Braindead | serial ports are considered legacy,nowadays |
| 15:15.48 | yos87 | zamaliphe: are you professional in debian? |
| 15:15.53 | abrotman | stouset: is the daemon started? |
| 15:16.02 | zamaliphe | yos87: what about you ?? |
| 15:16.08 | superlinux | yos87, I am too |
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| 15:16.12 | yos87 | abrotman: hi |
| 15:16.16 | POVaddct | Braindead: there are usb serial converters, with working drivers for linux |
| 15:16.17 | superlinux | I teach it in lebanon |
| 15:16.17 | zamaliphe | yos87: what about you ?? are you arabic |
| 15:16.22 | yos87 | zamaliphe: I'm beggener |
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| 15:16.34 | yos87 | zamaliphe: dubai |
| 15:16.41 | superlinux | zamaliphe, samme3na soutak 3a skype! |
| 15:16.44 | yos87 | zamaliphe: syr nationality |
| 15:16.53 | Tchiak | I'm Southern American.. yall |
| 15:16.53 | superlinux | wow syrian! |
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| 15:17.12 | yos87 | superlinux: why do you say that |
| 15:17.13 | superlinux | some day we might bycote MS using Linux! |
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| 15:17.16 | stouset | POVaddct: It's a remote machine. |
| 15:17.16 | Braindead | POVaddct: I know. but that's not my idea of a "laptop" |
| 15:17.24 | stouset | abrotman: Yeah, sl-modem-daemon is started. |
| 15:17.25 | yos87 | zamaliphe: can you help me with my trouble? |
| 15:17.31 | superlinux | yos87, bayn in2zit! |
| 15:17.32 | stouset | abrotman: Sorry, was grepping my closet for a PCMCIA modem. |
| 15:17.33 | POVaddct | Braindead: okay |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | stouset: are the devices there? |
| 15:17.47 | Tchiak | superlinux: that will only happen if big game companies adopt OpenGL as a standard |
| 15:17.48 | zamaliphe | yos87: what is it |
| 15:17.50 | POVaddct | Braindead: but using winmodems is even worse |
| 15:17.53 | stouset | abrotman: Yeah. It created /dev/modem as a link to /dev/ttySL0, which is a link to /dev/pts/[0-5] |
| 15:17.54 | Tchiak | rather than DX |
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| 15:17.55 | yos87 | superlinux: can you speak english? |
| 15:17.55 | jethro | haha |
| 15:17.59 | superlinux | yes |
| 15:18.01 | superlinux | I can |
| 15:18.10 | yos87 | zamaliphe: through phone! |
| 15:18.11 | stouset | abrotman: I can send commands to the modem, and get responses back. But atdt always fails. |
| 15:18.18 | Tchiak | links within links within links |
| 15:18.24 | Braindead | POVaddct: I'd rather get a crappy pcmcia modem on ebay |
| 15:18.32 | jnik | stouset: if the machine's dual boot, I'd try it in The Other OS to make sure everything's there. Otherwise I have no ideas :) |
| 15:18.36 | POVaddct | Braindead: yeah |
| 15:18.41 | yos87 | superlinux: please folow the chating rule, can comeback |
| 15:18.41 | abrotman | stouset: check dmesg .. look for related items |
| 15:18.44 | Tchiak | i'm still looking for an ethernet pcmcia card that is V1 |
| 15:18.48 | superlinux | yos87, Lebanon is nearer and cheaper talk to me |
| 15:18.49 | stouset | abrotman: Done. Nothing. |
| 15:18.49 | POVaddct | stouset: try atx3 before dialing |
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| 15:19.03 | abrotman | stouset: at all? .. there should be messages about the slmodem driver finding a device |
| 15:19.04 | POVaddct | stouset: atx3 turns off the dialtone detection |
| 15:19.15 | yos87 | superlinux: contact number please? |
| 15:19.27 | stouset | POVaddct: Hmm, now NO CARRIER...one sec. |
| 15:19.36 | POVaddct | stouset: shit.. |
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| 15:19.45 | Tchiak | just because an error exists.. doesn't mean you should bypass it :P |
| 15:19.52 | Tchiak | there is a reason for them |
| 15:20.05 | stouset | abrotman: Let me restart so I can get the exact messages. |
| 15:20.18 | POVaddct | stouset: then the slmodemd or the driver can't handle this specific winmodem type. there are hundreds.. |
| 15:20.22 | zamaliphe | superlinux: im on skaype now ??? |
| 15:20.29 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:20.38 | superlinux | search for ranixlb |
| 15:20.48 | superlinux | that's my skype |
| 15:21.16 | yos87 | superlinux: no, mobile, skype is not installed, I don't want to install now, do you have mobile! |
| 15:21.19 | stouset | abrotman: Just ACPI messages about the IRQ getting assigned, then MC'97 saying 1 converter and GPIO not ready |
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| 15:21.29 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 15:21.32 | POVaddct | stouset: the worst thing about winmodems i have seen yet is that the modem (pci device) changed its pci-id after a bios update.. |
| 15:21.36 | abrotman | i'm going to guess that's not good |
| 15:21.54 | LSorensen | POVaddct: AC97 modem? |
| 15:22.01 | stouset | POVaddct: It's an Intel ICH4 |
| 15:22.07 | POVaddct | LSorensen: i guess |
| 15:22.07 | stouset | POVaddct: Seems pretty damn common. |
| 15:22.18 | POVaddct | LSorensen: stouset has the problem, not me |
| 15:22.20 | LSorensen | POVaddct: then it is partially operated by the bios so yeah I can see that happening |
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| 15:22.43 | POVaddct | LSorensen: uuh, thats really a sick concept.. |
| 15:22.57 | LSorensen | stouset: real modems are always a much better idea. Just because cpus got faster doesn't mean we should waste them on dsp tasks (which they are not very good at either) |
| 15:22.57 | stouset | POVaddct: I've got the sl-modem-modules component installed, too. |
| 15:23.08 | yos87 | superlinux, zamaliphe: I don't have skype |
| 15:23.08 | superlinux | zamaliphe, I am ringing you |
| 15:23.12 | stouset | LSorensen: I understand this. But, one must work with what one has got :) |
| 15:23.26 | LSorensen | why waste 10% of a $500 cpu to do what a $5 DSP can do? |
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| 15:23.39 | jnik | stouset: http://grafit.mchtr.pw.edu.pl/~szczedar/other_nx9020-en.php |
| 15:23.41 | superlinux | yos87, see the private |
| 15:23.44 | LSorensen | stouset: one can go buy a #$@$ real modem if one values ones time and sanity. :) |
| 15:23.53 | Marupa | Hi, I just installed debian, I had mandriva installed before. for some reason cat /proc/partitions doesn't show my third harddrive, could someone help me get my harddrive back up and running? |
| 15:23.58 | stouset | LSorensen: One is sometimes under the pressure of time :) |
| 15:24.09 | LSorensen | stouset: then you really don't want to mess with a winmodem. |
| 15:24.16 | jnik | stouset: drivers here http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ |
| 15:24.20 | zamaliphe | superlinux: my nick name is zamaliphe |
| 15:24.23 | Frostbite | Marupa, in a dmesg, do you see the hdd? Is it on a seperate controller? |
| 15:24.24 | LSorensen | stouset: it will take a lot of your time to get working, every time you get a new kernel |
| 15:24.30 | superlinux | yae |
| 15:24.31 | POVaddct | i got the modem of my own notebook (jvc) running once with kernel 2.4, now with kernel 2.6 the slmdm driver complains about an incompatible device |
| 15:24.46 | LSorensen | stouset: a real modem just works, every time, and always will |
| 15:24.50 | yos87 | superlinux: what see the private? |
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| 15:25.02 | superlinux | yos87, see the private chat with you |
| 15:25.10 | LSorensen | stouset: winmodems are only for people with plenty of free time, and absolutely no money |
| 15:25.13 | superlinux | the numbers are ther |
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| 15:25.35 | yos87 | superlinux: no any other tag opened! Can't you past here |
| 15:25.36 | abrotman | LSorensen: or people with laptops :) |
| 15:25.42 | LSorensen | abrotman: pcmcia |
| 15:25.45 | Braindead | yos87: superlinux and whatever is arranging dunnowhat: please use /query or /join #whateverchannel to setup your conversations |
| 15:25.54 | Marupa | Frostbite: How would I limit dmesg to just drive items? |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | LSorensen: dunno .. i have an slmodem .. works fine for me .. but i also haven't tried to use it in months |
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| 15:26.02 | superlinux | Braindead, that's what I am doing |
| 15:26.17 | LSorensen | abrotman: well I haven't used that kind of winmodem ever, so not sure how that one behaves |
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| 15:26.25 | LSorensen | abrotman: ltmodem, etc, are a pain |
| 15:26.29 | superlinux | yos87, join #leglug plz |
| 15:26.31 | POVaddct | abrotman: i keep a pcmcia modem for situations when i need to dialin with a notebook |
| 15:26.38 | abrotman | LSorensen: but yes .. pcmcia or ISA or a full PCI modem is preferred |
| 15:26.45 | LSorensen | abrotman: or external serial |
| 15:26.46 | Braindead | Marupa: for starters is it a serial ata or regular ide drive? |
| 15:26.51 | Marupa | regular ide |
| 15:26.56 | LSorensen | Braindead: or scsi :) |
| 15:26.57 | abrotman | LSorensen: or that .. if you have a serial port on that machine :) |
| 15:27.05 | abrotman | sadly .. only one full PCI modem is made that i'm aware of |
| 15:27.07 | LSorensen | abrotman: true, most new laptops don't have those either |
| 15:27.13 | LSorensen | abrotman: no, there are a few. |
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| 15:27.23 | abrotman | LSorensen: i'm only aware of the one from USR/3Com |
| 15:27.34 | LSorensen | abrotman: the usr 5610 is certainly the best known |
| 15:27.34 | yos87 | superlinxu: this channel does not exist |
| 15:27.39 | stouset | jnik: Thanks. Trying that now. |
| 15:27.39 | Braindead | Marupa: I'm assuming you know if it's on primary/secondary channel and if it's master or slave. what is it? |
| 15:27.40 | abrotman | and lugging an external modem with your laptop kind of sucks |
| 15:27.45 | abrotman | LSorensen: that's the one i'm referring to |
| 15:27.50 | XoR | hello, how i can install grub from CD [rescue mode] if root has on RAID5 and boot on normal? |
| 15:27.51 | Marupa | it's master on second ide channel |
| 15:28.06 | XoR | boot is on normal partition |
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| 15:28.14 | Marupa | I have my bios set to ignore it, though, because it's a legacy bios, and can't handle the drive. |
| 15:28.18 | zamaliphe | yos87: it exsist |
| 15:28.26 | Braindead | Marupa: it should be hdc then |
| 15:28.33 | Marupa | it was, on mandriva. |
| 15:28.35 | yos87 | zamaliphe: I join |
| 15:28.36 | Braindead | Marupa: dmesg | grep hdc |
| 15:29.03 | miki2 | hey, while loading 2.6.16.9 kernel im stck at 'Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd' it wont go any futher... any help? |
| 15:29.05 | Frostbite | Marupa, dmesg | grep "ide" if it's ide |
| 15:29.06 | Braindead | or dmesg | grep hd |
| 15:29.37 | Marupa | it's only finding hda and hdb |
| 15:29.45 | LSorensen | abrotman: anything with the Intel 536EP or Lucent Venus chipsets are also fine. |
| 15:29.52 | Frostbite | Marupa, are they all on the same controller? |
| 15:30.01 | abrotman | i'm not sure which chipset the slmodems are |
| 15:30.08 | Marupa | what do you mean? |
| 15:30.26 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/sl-modem-source |
| 15:30.27 | LSorensen | Marupa: what size is the disk? |
| 15:30.30 | Marupa | 80GB |
| 15:30.35 | LSorensen | Marupa: what brand? |
| 15:30.45 | darrh00 | IBM |
| 15:30.46 | Marupa | Western Digital |
| 15:30.48 | LSorensen | Marupa: what size disks does the bios support? |
| 15:30.51 | Frostbite | MArupa: is hdc connected to the same area, ie the motherboard as hda/hdb? |
| 15:31.09 | Frostbite | the controller is the chipset which controlls comms with the hd |
| 15:31.21 | Marupa | hdc is connected on the secondary ide channel, hda and b are on primary |
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| 15:32.08 | Frostbite | Marupa, is it detected by the bios at boot time? |
| 15:32.16 | LSorensen | Marupa: WD drives have an alternate jumper setting that reduces the size to 32GB, but allows the OS to use the full size by asking what the real size is on boot. |
| 15:32.30 | LSorensen | Marupa: it is to work around dumb bioses that break with disks over 32GB |
| 15:32.38 | Marupa | i don't know how large the bios can handle, all I know is that it doesn't boot if I try to detect it. |
| 15:32.40 | LSorensen | Marupa: linux knows how to unclip the drive size on boot |
| 15:32.53 | Marupa | Yes, I know. I've dual-jumpered before. |
| 15:33.03 | Frostbite | LSorensen, if it worked with mandriva before, it's not that |
| 15:33.33 | Marupa | and no, Frostbite, it's not detected at boot because it hangs it it tries. |
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| 15:33.46 | XoR | how i can install grub from CD rescue mode? (root disk is on RAID5, root file system is RaiserFS, boot disk is normal - not RAID) |
| 15:34.05 | Frostbite | Marupa, then the bios or drive may be the problem, not linux. how did it work before with mandriva? |
| 15:34.14 | LSorensen | Frostbite: well different kernel versions may treat the ide controller differently |
| 15:34.29 | Marupa | I didn't have to do anything to the drive, just double jumper, and it found it. |
| 15:34.31 | Frostbite | LSorensen, aah |
| 15:34.33 | jnik | XoR: mount the root filesystem, chroot to it, install grub |
| 15:34.51 | LSorensen | Marupa: I would try the alternate jumper setting. It has worked for me before on older systems |
| 15:34.52 | Marupa | I mean, it worked just last night. |
| 15:34.55 | Frostbite | Marupa, you just said the bios is hanging and not detecting it. If the bios doesn't find it then linux can't |
| 15:34.57 | jnik | (probably best mount the boot in the appropriate spot under the root, too) |
| 15:34.58 | Marupa | it is doublejumpered right now. |
| 15:35.07 | LSorensen | Marupa: any recent 2.4 and all 2.6 kernels will still see the full disk size in my experience |
| 15:35.14 | Marupa | it's nto that it doesn't find it, it's that it hangs if it tries. |
| 15:35.21 | Marupa | it can't handle the drive. |
| 15:35.39 | LSorensen | Frostbite: linux can do whatever it wants ignoring the bios, if it tells the ide controller to probe for drives. it probably doesn't by default |
| 15:35.51 | Marupa | I haven't changed the bios at all, and now the drive doesn't work. |
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| 15:36.08 | LSorensen | Marupa: what kernel version did you have under mandriva and which kernel version do you have now? |
| 15:36.29 | LinuxNIT | whats the command that adds scripts in init.d to run on boot? |
| 15:36.30 | Marupa | uh...>.>; Don't know under mandriva, but it's 2.4 right now |
| 15:36.40 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: are you saying if i have my built in sound card turned off by default in the bios i can re-enable it in linux without having to reboot? |
| 15:36.51 | Marupa | my mandriva install was pretty out of the box. |
| 15:37.05 | Braindead | Marupa: get Ubuntu,then .... |
| 15:37.22 | abrotman | Marupa: is the drive seen in dmesg ? |
| 15:37.22 | Marupa | I don't want ubuntu because I want to run this as a server, headless. |
| 15:37.26 | Marupa | no, abrotman |
| 15:37.32 | action09 | out of waht box ? |
| 15:37.39 | godmachine81 | Ubuntu has a server option now |
| 15:37.39 | abrotman | Marupa: 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:37.41 | Braindead | Marupa: ubuntu-server on boot ... |
| 15:37.45 | abrotman | godmachine81: that's a pretty crappy option |
| 15:37.48 | Marupa | 2.4, abrotman |
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| 15:37.54 | abrotman | Marupa: have you tried a 2.6 ? |
| 15:37.54 | infernix | I am fairly new to actually making use of CVS/SVN myself for source code collaboration work. should I choose SVN or CVS or is there no real important difference between them? |
| 15:38.01 | Marupa | I'd rather not have ubuntu. |
| 15:38.06 | godmachine81 | abrotman: whats crappy? |
| 15:38.10 | abrotman | infernix: google subversion vs cvs |
| 15:38.16 | Eulex | infernix, I'd choose svn |
| 15:38.19 | abrotman | godmachine81: i wouldn't let ubuntu on my servers .. let alone a workstation |
| 15:38.27 | LSorensen | godmachine81: yes |
| 15:38.33 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: how? |
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| 15:38.41 | Marupa | I could try 2.6, but 2.4 was reccommended to me by a friend. |
| 15:38.51 | dondelelcaro | infernix: if you're just getting started, use subversion or possibly bazar/darcs/arch. |
| 15:38.53 | LSorensen | godmachine81: in fact on many new boards the onboard sound is disabled by the bios if you insert a pci sound card, but linux can enable the onboard sound to let you use both |
| 15:38.53 | abrotman | Marupa: it's worth a shot |
| 15:39.10 | LSorensen | godmachine81: it pokes the pci registers configuring the chip. How do you think the bios controls it? |
| 15:39.18 | miki2 | Marupa: if u have newer PC, then use newest kernel imho |
| 15:39.23 | LSorensen | Marupa: 2.4 is really not worth bothering with anymore |
| 15:39.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:39.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:39.31 | Marupa | it's a REALLy old computer, miki2 |
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| 15:39.39 | abrotman | Marupa: how old is old? |
| 15:39.41 | LSorensen | Marupa: it is much to ancient and doesn't support anything new |
| 15:39.45 | Marupa | 400mhz p2 |
| 15:39.54 | abrotman | hehe .. i have a 2.6 sarge running on a 486 |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | Marupa: how much RAM? |
| 15:40.03 | Marupa | 256MB |
| 15:40.10 | abrotman | a 2.6 kernel will be fine |
| 15:40.21 | LSorensen | abrotman: I only run 2.4 on my 486. everything else is 2.6. And the 486 is just because I haven't bothered upgrading the kernel yet |
| 15:40.28 | jnik | Marupa: I run 2.6/sarge on a P233MMX and a G3/233, each with 160MB RAM. |
| 15:40.28 | Marupa | is there a way to install it without having to reinstall completely? |
| 15:40.44 | abrotman | LSorensen: it was more for fun .. it's me pppd router .. but it takes *forever* to process the apt sources |
| 15:40.46 | jnik | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 15:40.55 | LSorensen | Marupa: yes. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:41.08 | abrotman | LSorensen: that's the wrong version |
| 15:41.09 | LSorensen | Marupa: or what jnik said. probably even better |
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| 15:41.14 | abrotman | -3- is out now |
| 15:41.18 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: i was just wondering because I use headphones a lot and the cord isnt very long, so its kinda restricting while its hooked to the back.. if i hooked it to the front it would be better.. how do i enable the disabled sc from linux |
| 15:41.18 | Marupa | thanks. |
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| 15:41.27 | LSorensen | abrotman: what is wrong with that one? hmm. Let me check my list again |
| 15:41.35 | Marupa | and then I jus thave to reboot, and choose 2.6 instead? |
| 15:41.44 | abrotman | LSorensen: check the DSAs .. 2.6-3 fixes a lot of security issues |
| 15:42.01 | LSorensen | abrotman: you are right. I had forgotten to run apt-get update on that machine |
| 15:42.01 | jnik | Marupa: yeppers |
| 15:42.07 | abrotman | LSorensen: doh! |
| 15:42.19 | Marupa | argh. I hate my server's network card, sometimes. |
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| 15:42.34 | LSorensen | abrotman: too many windows open. |
| 15:42.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:43.29 | LSorensen | abrotman: and too many systems around here. |
| 15:43.31 | Marupa | hmmm...apt-get is failing to work. |
| 15:43.36 | abrotman | Marupa: why? |
| 15:43.46 | Marupa | getting 'network is unreachable' |
| 15:43.46 | abrotman | LSorensen: you need consolidation! |
| 15:43.52 | abrotman | Marupa: did it work before? |
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| 15:43.56 | Marupa | about an hour ago, yeah. |
| 15:44.06 | LSorensen | abrotman: well the machine I was logged into is a lab test machine, which hadn't been updated in a while. |
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| 15:44.10 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:44.17 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: i was just wondering because I use headphones a lot and the cord isnt very long, so its kinda restricting while its hooked to the back.. if i hooked it to the front it would be better.. how do i enable the disabled sc from linux |
| 15:44.22 | abrotman | LSorensen: eep .. that's not good .. not like a computer lab at a uni is it? |
| 15:44.22 | LSorensen | abrotman: other than that, there are two workstations running linux, and two servers, and who knows how many routers. |
| 15:44.43 | Marupa | did that, still doesn't work. |
| 15:45.03 | LSorensen | godmachine81: depends on the chipset. I know very recent 2.6 kernels (as in .15 or .16 I think) had some patch added that made the on board sound enabled in linux at least on certain boards. |
| 15:45.10 | abrotman | Marupa: what have you done to make it unwork ? |
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| 15:45.15 | Marupa | nothing. @.@ |
| 15:45.31 | LSorensen | godmachine81: I know at least asus boards only have the bios option: disablled/automatic for onboard, where automatic = turn off if pci sound card installed |
| 15:45.34 | abrotman | Marupa: ifconfig -a .. do you see it ? |
| 15:45.38 | godmachine81 | but i have it manually turned off in the bios.. |
| 15:45.42 | LSorensen | godmachine81: lkml was discussing it |
| 15:45.46 | Marupa | yeah, it's set to 192.168.0.4 |
| 15:45.57 | miki2 | 686 kernel is for p2 ? |
| 15:46.00 | LSorensen | godmachine81: I think they simply ignore the bios setting and allow it to be enabled in linux |
| 15:46.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:46.04 | abrotman | miki2: yes |
| 15:46.06 | abrotman | !686 |
| 15:46.06 | godmachine81 | i have SB Live, and ac97 is built in |
| 15:46.07 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
| 15:46.17 | abrotman | Marupa: can you ping your router? |
| 15:46.18 | LSorensen | godmachine81: which chipset is onboard? |
| 15:46.25 | Marupa | yes |
| 15:46.36 | miki2 | Hey, i decided to jump from 2.4.27 kernel to 2.6.16.9 one from kernel.org, sience it has good support of USB and agpgart(2.4.27 was causing massive troubles with those for me, and debian 2.6.8 didnt help), after configuring and recompiling kernel i tried to run it but its stuck at this: |
| 15:46.36 | miki2 | INIT: version 2.86 booting |
| 15:46.36 | miki2 | Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd |
| 15:46.36 | miki2 | and after this, its stuck, wont move any futher... after a while of waiting(around 5 minutes) not even ctrl+alt+del works, so im guessing that it wont load at all. any help? maybe i can post some more info, like kernel config or smth, but i must know what do u need to know... |
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| 15:46.42 | godmachine81 | it's ac97 |
| 15:46.44 | Marupa | lemme try pinging an IP instead. |
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| 15:46.50 | godmachine81 | but i dont want it messing my soundblaster card up |
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| 15:47.00 | LSorensen | godmachine81: for example: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0602.1/1294.html |
| 15:47.04 | miki2 | ffs bad paste sorry |
| 15:47.10 | LSorensen | godmachine81: it doesn't. you would just have two sound devices availble to alsa |
| 15:47.14 | Marupa | nope, pinging google's IP doesn't work either. |
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| 15:47.26 | godmachine81 | how do you configure the second? |
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| 15:47.30 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 15:47.39 | abrotman | Marupa: you can ping your router .. but nothing beyond that? |
| 15:47.43 | Braindead | miki2: you roll your own kernel,it's YOUR problem. we can't debug how badly you've configured your own compiled kernel with vanilla sources |
| 15:47.50 | Marupa | correct, abrotman. |
| 15:47.51 | LSorensen | godmachine81: the bios makers just stupidly decided no user would be smart enough to make sense of having two sound cards, so they turn off the onboard if you add another one to avoid confusing the stupid users |
| 15:47.59 | azeem | Marupa: do you use DHCP? |
| 15:48.04 | LSorensen | godmachine81: a smart bios maker would have made 3 options: enabled/disabled/automatic |
| 15:48.06 | Marupa | yeah, but I have it set static, right now. |
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| 15:48.12 | azeem | hrm |
| 15:48.20 | azeem | Marupa: maybe try with dhcp3-client? |
| 15:48.20 | LSorensen | Marupa: nameserver line in /etc/resolv.conf ok? |
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| 15:48.26 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: mine stayed enabled when i installed my card.. i disabled it manually |
| 15:48.26 | azeem | I heard there might be issues with the standard one |
| 15:48.29 | miki2 | Braindead: it is configured well, at least it finally detects things wich other kernels couldnt detect |
| 15:48.29 | LSorensen | Marupa: default route set (aka gateway)? |
| 15:48.30 | Marupa | unless I configured my broadcast incorretly. |
| 15:48.40 | LSorensen | godmachine81: different bios/board maker I guess |
| 15:48.50 | godmachine81 | probably |
| 15:48.52 | Braindead | miki2: "well" and "does not boot" are not synonims |
| 15:48.58 | LSorensen | godmachine81: probably not one of the ones that linux enables then. if you can leave it enabled then you can use both in linux no problem |
| 15:49.09 | Marupa | where's the default route set, LSorensen? |
| 15:49.16 | Braindead | miki2: use a precompiled 2.6 image |
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| 15:49.18 | LSorensen | Marupa: usually the network config has a gateway line |
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| 15:49.24 | miki2 | Brainded: other "testing" debin kernels werent booting either |
| 15:49.36 | godmachine81 | well i dont have anything to do |
| 15:49.41 | godmachine81 | guess i will just reboot and enable it |
| 15:49.42 | godmachine81 | lol |
| 15:49.44 | godmachine81 | brb |
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| 15:52.20 | Marupa | hmm, mine doesn't. That's probably the problem. |
| 15:52.37 | zam-aliphe | yos87: are you their |
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| 15:52.48 | azeem | Marupa: that would explain why you can only ping the router, yes |
| 15:52.55 | Marupa | heh |
| 15:52.55 | abrotman | !tell Marupa about interfaces |
| 15:53.01 | Marupa | there we go! |
| 15:53.02 | LSorensen | Marupa: probably. should be set to whatever ip is your route out |
| 15:53.07 | yos87 | zam-alipe: yes |
| 15:53.52 | VivekVC | Folks, i am trying to install gnome and kde and install some light wm like icewm |
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| 15:54.10 | Marupa | thanks for the help, guys. |
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| 15:54.21 | Marupa | and girls, if there are any. |
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| 15:54.30 | zam-aliphe | yos87: im on #LegLug weating for you |
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| 15:54.42 | VivekVC | even after apt-get --purge remove gnome kde, i get a gnome interface when i log in via xdm |
| 15:55.00 | IceTox | How do I change my local dmz zone to 192.168.80.80 from *.80.100? |
| 15:55.19 | yos87 | zam-alipe: i am there |
| 15:55.59 | Marupa | ok, so after the 2.6 kernel is installed, I just have to reboot and select it instead of 2.4? |
| 15:56.19 | abrotman | Marupa: it should be the default now |
| 15:56.27 | Marupa | cool |
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| 15:57.04 | Marupa | also, local connections on it are really slow. What woudl be causing that? |
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| 15:57.28 | Marupa | I mean, I'm using a web-based configuration tool, and it takes about 25 seconnds to even respond. |
| 15:57.31 | abrotman | could be a number of things .. boot the new kernel .. then we'll talk about other issues |
| 15:57.34 | swim_love | guys, can someone help me in configuring my ethernet card for the network through the router? |
| 15:57.35 | Marupa | heh, ok. |
| 15:57.44 | abrotman | but i owuld suspect it was DNS issues caused by a messed up route |
| 15:57.54 | Marupa | probably |
| 15:58.03 | azeem | Marupa: do you have several lines in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 15:58.11 | Marupa | just two. |
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| 15:58.12 | azeem | Marupa: or no 127.0.0.1 localhost line in /etc/hosts? |
| 15:58.23 | azeem | Marupa: only one nameserver? |
| 15:58.28 | Marupa | can't check, right now, still booting. |
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| 15:58.41 | jnik | VivekVC: look at /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager and change the symlink. You also probably don't have *all* of gnome/kde uninstalled; try dpkg --get-selections | grep install | grep -v deinstall | cut -f 1 | grep gnome |
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| 15:58.58 | Marupa | also the MTA takes FOREVER to start, on boot. |
| 15:59.13 | azeem | that's also likely because it cannot lookup "localhost" |
| 15:59.32 | azeem | or you hostname |
| 15:59.46 | superlinux | hey all! if you have a small uplink use pdnsd not bind9 |
| 15:59.47 | Braindead | if you don't need an MTA,just install nullmailer. it'll do the work (shitting out cron logs) |
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| 16:00.00 | azeem | so something like "127.0.0.1 localhost <hostname> <hostname>.<domain>" should be in /etc/hosts |
| 16:00.02 | Marupa | 127.0.0.1 has localhost.localdomain localhost and Bashir |
| 16:00.17 | zam-aliphe | yos87: i wish to help you but you must do what i say |
| 16:00.26 | azeem | Marupa: what does `hostname' say when you run it? |
| 16:00.31 | Marupa | Bashir |
| 16:00.43 | azeem | still slow? |
| 16:00.46 | Marupa | testing... |
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| 16:01.41 | x`y`-xy | i had installed Mambo and i recived this msg : Your configuration file or directory is not writeable, or there was a problem creating the configuration file. You'll have to upload the following code by hand. Click in the textarea to highlight all of the code: |
| 16:01.44 | Marupa | still a little slow, but not nearly as slo. |
| 16:01.44 | Marupa | w |
| 16:02.02 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: well i enabled it in the bios and now my SBLive is disabled in linux lol |
| 16:02.04 | x`y`-xy | wher is this config file |
| 16:02.04 | x`y`-xy | ? |
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| 16:02.29 | Marupa | and, it's still not finding hdc |
| 16:02.30 | LSorensen | godmachine81: your lspci should show both, and alsa drivers should be able to load for both. If you use OSS drivers, stop doing that. :) |
| 16:02.52 | LSorensen | godmachine81: and 'pnp os installed' option should of course be set to no in the bios |
| 16:03.03 | LSorensen | godmachine81: just in case your bios has that option set in the broken setting |
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| 16:03.54 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: i seen when i was booting linux it said EMU101k will not be loaded skipping configuration.. or something to that extent |
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| 16:04.22 | LSorensen | godmachine81: then you should fix the udev/hotplug/whatever scripts you have that are ignoring it. |
| 16:04.42 | LSorensen | godmachine81: I know running with 'snd-intel8x0 and snd-emu10k1' in /etc/modules works fine for me |
| 16:04.52 | x`y`-xy | how can i find a file in debian ??? |
| 16:05.03 | godmachine81 | maybe it just didnt load my emu101k1 module |
| 16:05.05 | LSorensen | x`y`-xy: locate might do it. |
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| 16:05.10 | LSorensen | godmachine81: most likely |
| 16:05.29 | x`y`-xy | thyx |
| 16:05.38 | LSorensen | godmachine81: now if it loaded i810_audio then you can't load anything else since the old garbage oss drivers only support one card |
| 16:05.39 | abrotman | !tell x`y`-xy about grounding |
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| 16:05.56 | x`y`-xy | i had installed Mambo and i recived this msg : Your configuration file or directory is not writeable, or there was a problem creating the configuration file. You'll have to upload the following code by hand. Click in the textarea to highlight all of the code: |
| 16:06.01 | x`y`-xy | wher is this config file |
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| 16:06.41 | Marupa | probably inside your Mambo install directory, under the directory config, and probably config.php |
| 16:06.55 | Marupa | Installing Sugar, x`y`-xy? |
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| 16:07.35 | zamaliphe | yos87: when you are listing to me say my name and i will weak up ?? im sleeping |
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| 16:07.52 | SimonRaven | mambo, the skript kiddie's favourite |
| 16:08.23 | LSorensen | SimonRaven: what a security disaster that mess is |
| 16:08.52 | SimonRaven | eyup. like phpbb* |
| 16:09.00 | Marupa | What do I do about it still not finding my harddrive? |
| 16:09.01 | yos87 | zamaliphe: sorry, i did not get you, what do you mean "to my say my name" |
| 16:09.12 | SimonRaven | zamaliphe: please don't do that |
| 16:09.24 | LSorensen | SimonRaven: it looks much worse actually :) |
| 16:09.24 | yos87 | zamaliphe: join leglug if you want |
| 16:09.39 | LSorensen | Marupa: did you boot the newer kernel? |
| 16:09.49 | SimonRaven | oh yeh |
| 16:09.49 | Marupa | Yes, LSorensen. |
| 16:10.16 | LSorensen | Marupa: well, perhaps the best thing to try is set the alternate jumper setting, ask the bios to detect it, and see what linux thinks of it then |
| 16:10.34 | zamaliphe | yos87: im on #LegLug weating for you |
| 16:10.35 | Marupa | it has the alternate jumper setting on, right now. |
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| 16:11.25 | yos87 | zamaliphe: in the same nick? i'm on leglug! |
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| 16:12.20 | yos87 | zamaliphe: how to update the kernel? |
| 16:12.23 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: i have snd-emu10k1 and snd_intel8x0 but in my gnome alsa mixer and my tray volume control the only device shown is the Intel card.. |
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| 16:12.55 | LSorensen | godmachine81: what is in /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 16:13.08 | LSorensen | godmachine81: the mixer often only does one card at a time and has to be told to go to the second device |
| 16:13.30 | godmachine81 | # cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:13.30 | godmachine81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.30 | godmachine81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.37 | Marupa | LSorensen, since i have the alternate jumper setting on, what do I do? |
| 16:13.50 | zamaliphe | yos87: update or upgrade ?? |
| 16:13.51 | LSorensen | Marupa: tell the bios to detect the drive. It should see a 32 or 8G drive. |
| 16:13.59 | Marupa | -.- Ok |
| 16:14.02 | LSorensen | Marupa: linux should then detect it on boot and hopefully see the whole disk. |
| 16:14.11 | Marupa | ok |
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| 16:14.19 | yos87 | zamaliphe: what is the differant? I want to get the new kernel 2.6 |
| 16:14.22 | LSorensen | Marupa: assuming CONFIG_IDEDIST_STROKE is enabled |
| 16:14.28 | LSorensen | Marupa: which I believe it is on debian kernels |
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| 16:14.41 | yos87 | zamaliphe: Dont yoy leglug? |
| 16:15.08 | LSorensen | Marupa: in fact I think it can't be turned off on 2.6 kernels, it was an option with 2.4 kernels |
| 16:15.10 | Marupa | bios Hung |
| 16:15.56 | Marupa | hmm, guess I don't have it double jumpered. |
| 16:15.59 | VivekVC | jnik: Thanks, will try that now, sorry i am in multiple buffers |
| 16:16.04 | Marupa | whoops :3 |
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| 16:16.28 | LSorensen | Marupa: I hope the default kernel has that option enabled, otherwise you may have to recompile the kernel package. |
| 16:16.38 | Marupa | eww. that'd suck. |
| 16:16.48 | LSorensen | Marupa: or you could go get an add in pci ide card to just solve it all (thats what I have always done) |
| 16:17.01 | LSorensen | Marupa: something like a promise tx2 always solved the problem of larger disks |
| 16:17.02 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: how do i add my emu10k1 card to my alsa config |
| 16:17.22 | Liquid_Ic | linux n00b here. I am trying to setup a debian box to constantly ping a device. I want it to keep pinging, and if the ping fails to run an sh script. how would I do this? a cronjob? another sh script running in the background at all times? |
| 16:17.51 | LSorensen | godmachine81: well I have always just added the module to /etc/modules and it showed up in /proc/asound/cards along with the other sound chip |
| 16:18.11 | LSorensen | godmachine81: now if the bios is really stupid, it will refuse to configure add in pci cards if onboard is enabled, but that would be hard to believe |
| 16:18.19 | LSorensen | godmachine81: does lsmod show snd-emu10k1? |
| 16:18.21 | Marupa | ok, so figurede out where to jumper it, luckily I have an extra jumper. |
| 16:18.22 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: i did a modprobe snd_emu10k1 and it loaded the module.. but now i still cant see the device or get anything from it |
| 16:18.24 | Daedalus_ | Liquid_Ic: I would have it do a cron job. Say, noce a minute. |
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| 16:19.00 | Marupa | booting... |
| 16:19.44 | Marupa | well, it didn't freeze when detecting, but it's not detecting anything. |
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| 16:20.37 | fbn | hi, every time I reboot my Debian/testing server /etc/motd is set to Debian's default. How can I change that? |
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| 16:21.37 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
| 16:21.51 | Daedalus_ | Liquid_Ic: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:22.41 | Marupa | ...still no drive. |
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| 16:23.27 | x`y`-xy | how can find the Host Name |
| 16:23.30 | x`y`-xy | Host Name |
| 16:23.33 | Marupa | type hosname |
| 16:23.36 | Marupa | hostname, even |
| 16:23.45 | jnik | fbn: edit /etc/default/rcS, look for the line EDITMOTD |
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| 16:23.49 | x`y`-xy | how can find the Host Name |
| 16:24.02 | anabain | any printing wizard here? I have CUPS and a custom ppd to use with a generic PostScript driver. I've put the ppd in /usr/share/cups/model, and done killall -HUP cups, but the ppd isn's listed when typing gs -h. What am I missing? |
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| 16:24.37 | fbn | jnik: thanks! |
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| 16:25.10 | fbn | where can I see/set the time sudo caches the user password? |
| 16:25.39 | anabain | exact reference: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1320 |
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| 16:27.17 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: this is really aggrovating now.. lol my sound card only will play one sound concurrently.. if something else is playing it wont play a new sound... |
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| 16:27.53 | BlackDragon42 | Well, I get no MIDI on my sound card... |
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| 16:29.24 | BlackDragon42 | Anyone know if you can get MIDI to work on a VIA onboard sound? |
| 16:29.47 | obscurite | anyone doing pro or semi-pro audio on debian or a debian based OS? |
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| 16:30.19 | Marupa | Can anyone help me finish solving this harddrive problem? |
| 16:30.23 | malex | !search nvidia |
| 16:30.41 | malex | !nvidia |
| 16:30.42 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 16:31.41 | malex | !glx |
| 16:31.41 | dpkg | [glx] opengl for X. Currently, Matrox MGA-G200, MGA-G400, ATI Rage based cards, Intel i810 cards, and nvidia's RIVA series are supported. it can be grabbed from CVS at :mailto:pserver:anonymous@cvs.utah-glx.sourceforge.net:/cvs/utah-glx or at http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net, or ask me about `glx debs`, or included in XF4 nowadays and uses dri, so utah-glx is obsolete. |
| 16:31.50 | unstable | What is a crazy statement about linux/floss that people will laugh at? |
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| 16:32.58 | malex | xorg 7 in unstable started segfaulting for me today. I'm running the nvidia driver. Are there known issues with it? |
| 16:33.09 | unstable | !tell malex about bts |
| 16:33.14 | zamaliphe | yos87: read this http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallLinux26 |
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| 16:36.53 | Supaplex | unstable: which people? |
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| 16:37.10 | unstable | Supaplex: I need a subtitle on a lug page, something funny. |
| 16:37.16 | unstable | Linux: Stop use if rash occur |
| 16:37.18 | unstable | or something |
| 16:38.10 | zamaliphe | yos87: are you online ??? |
| 16:38.10 | LSorensen | godmachine81: true, most sound cards have only one channel. the emu10k1 has 32. It is rather unusual that way. |
| 16:38.26 | LSorensen | godmachine81: hence non emu10k1 users tend to use software mixers or sound servers to work around it. :) |
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| 16:39.11 | zamaliphe | yos87: read this please http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallLinux26 |
| 16:39.42 | Supaplex | unstable: Linux is known to cause cancer in lab animal control groups, only in the state of California |
| 16:40.11 | yos87 | zamaliphe: ok, I'm opening |
| 16:40.57 | yos87 | zamaliphe: good good good |
| 16:41.40 | netman1 | Hi All. How do I enforce "TERM=linux" behaviour that I get on a console, within a gnome-terminal, which usually has "TERM=xterm" properties? |
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| 16:42.56 | zamaliphe | yos87: :) |
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| 16:46.59 | lepton | netman1: what is "TERM=linux behavior" ? what is the specific problem? |
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| 16:47.20 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: how can I get more channels out of my intel8x0 ?? |
| 16:47.57 | LSorensen | godmachine81: ehm, you can use alsa software mixing, the alsa web site has info on how to do that in the asoundrc file |
| 16:48.25 | LSorensen | godmachine81: I thought I read that very new versions of alsa were going to do that automatically, but I am not sure about it. |
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| 16:49.07 | godmachine81 | looks like they would... gosh this is aggrovating getting IMs and notifications and not hearing them while im jamming out listening to xmms |
| 16:49.19 | LSorensen | godmachine81: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic#softmix |
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| 16:49.44 | LSorensen | godmachine81: but there really should be a way to get both sound chips working at once |
| 16:49.53 | unstable | godmachine81: Just do what windows does, sound mixing. |
| 16:50.05 | LSorensen | godmachine81: my main machine only has an sb live, no on board, but I have a headphone jack on the front of the machine with volume control and all, so that's not a problem |
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| 16:50.48 | LSorensen | godmachine81: the sb live platinum was a really nice card :) |
| 16:51.02 | miki2 | do i need to add any specific directories to kernel tree before compiling non-debian kernel with debian? |
| 16:51.09 | Supaplex | my plain ol sb live works well enough for me =) |
| 16:51.43 | susanka | hi, my debian box freeze sometimes. and i dont know why, have somebody any idea ? |
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| 16:51.48 | lostson | audigy 2ZS |
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| 16:51.52 | susanka | i cant do nothing only RESET |
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| 16:52.22 | escalade | hi |
| 16:52.39 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: i have an headphone jack on the front but it is connected to my intel card.. i own the SB Live Platinum.. thats the one i have.. |
| 16:52.44 | LinuxNIT | i need to run a script in my /etc/init.d before the /etc/init.d/networking gets executed... how do i do this? |
| 16:52.56 | Supaplex | susanka: are you in X at the time? |
| 16:53.07 | LSorensen | godmachine81: yo don't like the headphone jack on the drive bay module? |
| 16:53.08 | susanka | Supaplex, yes on fluxbox |
| 16:53.22 | LinuxNIT | i have the script running but too late in the boot processe |
| 16:53.23 | godmachine81 | i don't have a drive bay module |
| 16:53.29 | LSorensen | godmachine81: then you don't have a platinum |
| 16:53.32 | godmachine81 | i just have the card |
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| 16:53.49 | LSorensen | godmachine81: since the drive bay module is what made it the platinum. nothing else was different |
| 16:53.51 | pinguino | hola necesito ayuda |
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| 16:53.55 | pinguino | instale fedora y debian |
| 16:53.59 | pinguino | en un mismo disco |
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| 16:54.09 | pinguino | pero no me levanta debian |
| 16:54.13 | LSorensen | godmachine81: you could buy the module for some of the regular sb live (not oem though) |
| 16:54.24 | eleftherios | where would the best place be to place system wide Subversion repositories? |
| 16:54.24 | LinuxNIT | anyone? |
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| 16:54.33 | Zta | apt-get update runs for a while and gives me this: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org etch Release: Could not execute /usr/bin/gpgv to verify signature (is gnupg installed?) |
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| 16:54.45 | LSorensen | godmachine81: that's why the alsa/pci info might say platinum on a regular card, since they were the same card |
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| 16:54.55 | stew | Zta: is gnupg installed? |
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| 16:55.02 | Zta | nope |
| 16:55.58 | lepton | LinuxNIT: you're wishing for dependencies in init script execution. one answer is to rename the link in the proper /etc/rc?.d directory. /etc/init.d/README |
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| 16:56.04 | stew | Zta: well if you want that warning to go away, install it, the /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 16:56.31 | LinuxNIT | lepton, thanks ill try it |
| 16:56.56 | pinks | can anyone help with getting my laptop usb port working please? |
| 16:57.02 | Zta | stew, apt-get install gnupg fails. |
| 16:57.24 | pinks | I have a camera memorycard reader plugged in but gphoto2 does not recognise it |
| 16:57.30 | stew | Zta: /msg dpkg bat |
| 16:57.43 | Zta | Ah, now it works. But I get: Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 16:57.44 | escalade | i have a problem with mrtg. i monitor my router but the download graph is the upload and the uploadgraph is the download... anyone know how to change the order? |
| 16:57.55 | cureless | pinks: I thought the memory card reader just works as a drive. |
| 16:58.08 | pinks | ok - then how do I mount it? |
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| 16:58.13 | stew | Zta: yes, then /msg dpkg apt secure ; /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 16:58.22 | Zta | ok |
| 16:58.24 | cureless | pinks: with mount. |
| 16:58.29 | stew | pinks: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:58.32 | cureless | pinks: do a "dmesg" to see what drive it is. |
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| 16:58.40 | pinks | cureless: I can't find usb in /proc/devices |
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| 16:59.37 | pinks | stew: that didn't work |
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| 16:59.49 | myren | i'm having some problems with cifs |
| 16:59.57 | stew | pinks: be more specific |
| 17:00.01 | Zta | etch is testing, right? |
| 17:00.06 | stew | Zta: yes |
| 17:00.08 | cureless | Zta: yes |
| 17:00.10 | eleftherios | where would the best place be to place system wide Subversion repositories on a Debian system? |
| 17:00.18 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 17:00.21 | myren | my server has unix extensions enabled, so it sets the uid and guid.... to user and groups i dont have. i made a fake group for it, but that seems retarded |
| 17:00.24 | myren | any suggesions |
| 17:00.41 | myren | there's a setuid parameter, which is set |
| 17:00.43 | stew | eleftherios: /var/lib/src or /var/lib/svn or /srv/svn are all decent choices |
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| 17:01.08 | cureless | eleftherios: depends. /usr, /usr/local/, /var, /usr/src, /usr/local/src, even /home if you're so inclined. |
| 17:01.12 | Zta | It's just that the Debian Admin manual says apt 0.6 in Debian Unstable uses GPG. But so does testing. |
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| 17:01.23 | eleftherios | stew, I find creating /srv a bit ugly for some reason, I would prefer to use an existing dir |
| 17:01.48 | pinks | stew: dmesg gives me "USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 17:01.49 | stew | eleftherios: /srv should be existing, its a fhs directory |
| 17:01.49 | pinks | Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0" |
| 17:01.56 | wrecked | hi all, what's the best way to get packages from testing/unstable without pulling in testing/unstable binaries? I've tried using pinning, but I don't like getting glibc unstable. Build from package source? other options? |
| 17:01.59 | cureless | pinks: so, use sda. |
| 17:02.16 | stew | pinks: that all looks good |
| 17:02.21 | cureless | wrecked: you mean like backports? |
| 17:02.36 | stew | wrecked: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:02.43 | pinks | stew : mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device |
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| 17:02.53 | stew | pinks: what about sda1 ? |
| 17:03.04 | eleftherios | stew, oh, I will create it then |
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| 17:03.14 | stew | eleftherios: what version of debian? |
| 17:03.21 | stew | pinks: or do any partitions show up in "fdisk -l" ? |
| 17:03.22 | pinks | stew: no |
| 17:03.45 | eleftherios | stew, this is on an Etch machine |
| 17:03.46 | zamaliphe | pinks: sda2 |
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| 17:04.06 | stew | eleftherios: then it really should exist |
| 17:04.10 | eleftherios | hm |
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| 17:04.16 | pinks | nothing on sda when I use fdisk -l |
| 17:04.19 | miki2 | do i need to add any specific directories to kernel tree before compiling non-debian kernel with debian? |
| 17:04.22 | wrecked | there are packages that I want to install that are only in testing or unstable. when I install them using pinning (apt-get install some_package/testing), dependent packages replace my installed stable one. |
| 17:04.42 | cureless | pinks: is it a multi reader? (you might have more than just sda), is the card firmly inserted? |
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| 17:04.59 | zamaliphe | pinks: tray #ls /dev/sd* |
| 17:05.07 | cureless | wrecked: what did you expect? |
| 17:05.08 | zamaliphe | pinks: tray $ls /dev/sd* |
| 17:05.09 | pinks | cureless: yes - it's well plugged in and the warning light is on |
| 17:05.18 | stew | wrecked: dont' install testing packages onto stable, use backprots |
| 17:05.22 | cureless | wrecked: you need a packport. |
| 17:05.31 | bombero | hi guys, im looking for webcast server - only audio (mp3) |
| 17:05.31 | jengelh | rackport |
| 17:05.51 | wrecked | ok, i'll look that up. thanks. |
| 17:05.56 | cureless | bombero: icecast |
| 17:06.04 | pinks | zamaliphe: that just lists all 99 sda |
| 17:06.12 | eleftherios | stew, it doesn't for some strange reason, this is on a hosted server, my provider might have 'customised' things |
| 17:06.13 | pinks | doesn't tell me what's active |
| 17:06.30 | wrecked | backports look like what I want. thanks. |
| 17:06.30 | bombero | cureles thanks |
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| 17:06.40 | myboxen | anyone using xserver-xorg-video-ati drivers on etch |
| 17:06.47 | jengelh | !itch |
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| 17:07.48 | pinks | cureless: it's a camera memory dardreader |
| 17:07.53 | jair | hello masters!! |
| 17:07.55 | pinks | *cardreader |
| 17:08.31 | cureless | pinks: which means what, it's a normal cardreader or it's the camera? |
| 17:08.58 | jair | so i know a lot of people has been asking the same thing "How do i upgrade my sarge 3.1r1 to the r2 :) if I has been always running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and also pt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:09.05 | pinks | it's the reader -- not the camera |
| 17:09.07 | stew | sounds like it's memory frmo a camera that doens't use a standard partitioning scheme |
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| 17:09.21 | jair | do i have to change the source.lst in the apt? |
| 17:09.30 | cureless | pinks: have you tried just connecting the camera? |
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| 17:09.40 | stew | jair: do you have a security.debian.org line in your sources.list? |
| 17:09.44 | pinks | not yet - I don;t have it here |
| 17:09.48 | Zta | stew, now it works =) thank you for the help. |
| 17:09.52 | pinks | hence using the cardreader |
| 17:10.20 | myboxen | pinks: have you tried "tail -f /var/log/messages" and then hooking up the reader to see if it is being recognized? |
| 17:10.25 | jair | deb http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/debian/ stable main |
| 17:10.25 | jair | deb-src http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/debian/ stable main |
| 17:10.25 | jair | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.44 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg security |
| 17:10.49 | jair | stew, yes I have this:deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:11.03 | stew | jair: then you don't have to do anything else |
| 17:11.14 | stew | jair: provided you have recently run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:11.28 | jair | yes |
| 17:11.30 | jair | always |
| 17:11.38 | jair | stew, I constantly run that |
| 17:11.46 | jair | and the dist-upgrade as well. |
| 17:12.00 | jair | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:12.19 | stew | !pubtime |
| 17:12.20 | dpkg | methinks pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 17:12.22 | cureless | pinks: so, check dmsg again, see if you have any other sd*. Sometimes the cardreaders can be more than 1 sd. Also, check that you have no other sd*, (sata, cds, scsi drives, etc). |
| 17:12.27 | stew | i guess that's a bit premature |
| 17:12.29 | cureless | pinks: they might shift the letters. |
| 17:12.37 | pinks | myboxen: it is recognised |
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| 17:12.47 | abrotman | stew: POETS? |
| 17:12.48 | jair | stew, so then the release of the installer of debian r2 have all those changes that has happened since the official 3.1r1 stable sarge until now. |
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| 17:13.19 | stew | jair: yeah, its just 3.1r1 with some additional security fixes, which you are getting from security.debian.org already |
| 17:13.23 | stew | abrotman: huh? |
| 17:13.29 | abrotman | stew: in -ot |
| 17:13.38 | stew | :) |
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| 17:13.39 | jair | stew, nice |
| 17:14.11 | pinks | cureless: it gives me "Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi5, channel 0, id 0, lun 0" |
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| 17:14.25 | unstable | I did an install of testing from the netinstall yesterday,(I downloaded from d-i via dpkg's url)...And it gave me the dialogue box in the terminal, and Desktop was stared off...and I just kept the defaults...and it installed gnome and gdm etc...But it didn't install x-window-system-core I had ot manually apt-get good. |
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| 17:14.32 | unstable | Should I file a bug report or no? |
| 17:14.38 | unstable | !greet xomhau |
| 17:14.39 | dpkg | Nihao, xomhau |
| 17:14.44 | cureless | pinks: no other scsi's? |
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| 17:14.54 | pinks | nope |
| 17:15.02 | cureless | unstable: is this card new? |
| 17:15.03 | antivert | I spilled wine on my unicomp keyboard :( :( |
| 17:15.10 | xomhau | nihao? chaine language :D . i know |
| 17:15.10 | cureless | pinks: is this card new? |
| 17:15.14 | cureless | unstable: that wasn't for you. |
| 17:15.31 | jair | stew, it is interesting how debian have even elections and groups etc.. I got a question from one of the main bosses in one company I use to work. "How debian can be such a good operation system and the people that work with it (developing it) do not get paid" I really did not know how to answer him, he was concern that one day the debian project stop :(? what should I think?? |
| 17:16.08 | pinks | cureless: 2 days old, but it has some images on it |
| 17:16.10 | Blissex | jair: the story is the same for all other open source projects: developing software is actually very cheap, and people can do it in their spare time. |
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| 17:16.21 | cureless | pinks: then I don't know. Do other OSs read it? |
| 17:16.23 | myboxen | pinks: it is recognised but not mounted? |
| 17:16.27 | jair | stew, for example windows is supported by money because a lot of people pay for the use of the license, right, so how can we explain the debian project? I am trying to think as well. |
| 17:16.28 | Blissex | jair: most sw companies spend around 10% on sw development. |
| 17:16.30 | pinks | cureless: do you want my dmesg output on #flood? |
| 17:16.36 | cureless | pinks: not really. |
| 17:16.42 | unstable | jair: It's been around for 13 years, and it's only getting more organized and growing more.(more developers) |
| 17:16.51 | pinks | myboxen: yes |
| 17:16.51 | xomhau | la la |
| 17:16.54 | stew | jair: well its been going on for over a decade, and its only getting bigger and bigger, not showing any signs of slowing down. I certainly wouldn't worry about it going away |
| 17:16.54 | Blissex | jair: many software companies spend less on sw development than expense accounts for salesmen. |
| 17:17.02 | pinks | cureless: ok - thanks anyway |
| 17:17.21 | myboxen | pinks: so are you trying to get it to mount automatically, or just need to mount it period? |
| 17:17.28 | pinks | either |
| 17:17.30 | unstable | jair: yes, I wouldn't worry about it going away either. |
| 17:17.39 | antivert | have you no heart! my keyboard :( I'm going to cry. |
| 17:17.50 | myboxen | pinks: have you tried adding an entry in your /etc/fstab? and then using mount? |
| 17:17.52 | pinks | once mounted I can automate later |
| 17:18.00 | cureless | pinks: If the same setup works for other OSs then I don't know. Did you do _all_ the usb-storage things? |
| 17:18.11 | jair | Blissex, stew, unstable cool guys I just want to have some good words to answer when people orcompany owners ask me about what I am bringing to their networks. |
| 17:18.17 | pinks | myboxen: what's to add -- fdisk is not listing the device |
| 17:18.22 | stew | jair: debian is setup so that it can operate well without needing money. I would worry more about getting my software from a company that would fold and go away if they weren't making enough money |
| 17:18.48 | jair | and if I wan to contribute to debian beside $$ donations I mean becoming part of the team, developing testing etc... |
| 17:18.53 | myboxen | pinks: my card was recognized as an sd*, and I had to enter it manually in the fstab to get it to work |
| 17:19.02 | Blissex | jair: it is always possible for you to also get some company that supports Debian or Debian derived distros officially... |
| 17:19.06 | myboxen | after that I could mount it fine |
| 17:19.09 | pinks | cureless: what "all" things? |
| 17:19.19 | jair | Blissex, nice |
| 17:19.23 | jair | stew, I see |
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| 17:19.27 | pinks | I'm using stable - I assumed usb is incorporated? |
| 17:19.45 | Blissex | pinks: most USB stuff is supported in 'stable'. |
| 17:19.45 | cureless | pinks: dunno, I don't follow those things, but I would start by making sure all the modules are loaded. |
| 17:19.49 | myboxen | pinks: I did too, but it would recognize the device, but not mount |
| 17:20.19 | myboxen | I had to add /dev/sd* /media/usb vfat rw,users,auto 0 0 |
| 17:20.21 | jair | stew, it is true, but again I think like all of us here, we can be part of the development and testing of our system, but it is a group names people that get together either in Europe, Africa, America, Asia? |
| 17:20.23 | cureless | pinks: can you open the device at all? Like with a hex editor or something? |
| 17:20.30 | pinks | I just apt-get install'd gphoto2 |
| 17:20.38 | zamaliphe | pinks: i have prgram called "disks-admin" on "gnome-system-tools" witch can tel me what hard disk use what dev |
| 17:20.38 | jair | I would like to be part offioal of the debian team |
| 17:20.42 | jair | official |
| 17:20.44 | pinks | cureless: I'm not that good -- sorry |
| 17:21.01 | jair | and I am trying to study c ++ and also perl phyton, in the future |
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| 17:21.08 | cureless | pinks: I just meant to see if the problem was in partitioning, if you can open the device then the usb part is ok. |
| 17:21.20 | jair | so i can continue enhancing this beautiful project. |
| 17:21.29 | pinks | cureless: you'd need to tell me what to do :-/ |
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| 17:21.51 | myboxen | cureless: I am going to assume that if /var/log/messages shows the device being attatched then usb is working fine |
| 17:21.58 | zamaliphe | pinks: do #apt-get --force-yes -y install gnome-system-tools |
| 17:22.10 | myboxen | pinks: make a directory in your /media or /mnt directory named usb or something |
| 17:22.25 | pinks | myboxen: got that |
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| 17:22.42 | myboxen | pinks: then add this to your fstab /dev/sd*1 /media/usb vfat rw,users,auto 0 0 |
| 17:22.51 | krassy1809 | Witch is better bind or bind9 ? |
| 17:22.52 | cureless | myboxen: he can't see a partition in the drive. |
| 17:22.57 | pinks | myboxen: it is recognised everytime i plug it in |
| 17:23.12 | myboxen | pinks: then type mount /dev/sd*1 |
| 17:23.24 | pinks | myboxen: k - moment |
| 17:23.27 | myboxen | cureless: neither could I until I followed those steps |
| 17:23.47 | cureless | myboxen: so "fdisk -l" doesn't show anything but it mounts? |
| 17:23.59 | myboxen | cureless: that is what I experienced yes |
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| 17:24.23 | cureless | myboxen: if that works for pinks you both have spirits in your systems playing tricks. |
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| 17:24.59 | myboxen | cureless: I know I have some ghosts |
| 17:25.16 | myboxen | curelsess: I havn't spent the time necessary to really figure it out, but I will |
| 17:25.29 | cureless | myboxen: I've never had ghosts in my computers, only in my printers. |
| 17:25.48 | cureless | those things have a mind of their own |
| 17:25.49 | yos87 | after installing the new kernel, It shout boot sucessfully, or I shoud do other things |
| 17:25.49 | pinks | myboxen: no - doesn't like that:-( |
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| 17:26.06 | myboxen | cureless: but usb was definately working because as I had plugged it in and unplugged it I had tail -f /var/log/messages and watched it recognize it |
| 17:26.14 | jair | this is a samba question but I am using debian as well. how do i make sure that my samba server is authenticating using the "tdbsam" back end password database? |
| 17:26.16 | myboxen | pinks: what happened |
| 17:27.06 | abrotman | jair: ask #samba |
| 17:27.25 | pinks | myboxen: special device sd*1 does not w=exist |
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| 17:27.39 | myboxen | pinks you didn't actually use the * right |
| 17:27.41 | BertoX | hello there |
| 17:27.42 | jair | abrotman, I know that is what i am doing but is dead that channel |
| 17:27.45 | jair | it is ok |
| 17:28.00 | myboxen | pinks you need to replace the * with a, b, etc... sda1, sdb1, etc... |
| 17:28.08 | myboxen | whatever showed up in /var/log/messages |
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| 17:28.40 | pinks | myboxen: ok my faut - I had used your mount point instead of mine ;-) |
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| 17:28.46 | pinks | it's mounted |
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| 17:28.48 | pinks | :D |
| 17:28.52 | myboxen | can you see it now |
| 17:28.53 | BertoX | i have a question about aptitude : why, after "aptitude upgrade", some packages are still not upgraded ? |
| 17:29.00 | myboxen | pinks all the data |
| 17:29.01 | pinks | moment |
| 17:29.04 | cureless | pinks: what? Didn't you say you didnt' see a partition? |
| 17:29.04 | abrotman | !heldback |
| 17:29.08 | abrotman | erm |
| 17:29.11 | BertoX | even if I retry aptitude upgrade again, it does nothing |
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| 17:29.17 | abrotman | BertoX: they are held back .. what packages are being held back? |
| 17:29.17 | cureless | pinks: try the command now "fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 17:29.37 | asg | !held back |
| 17:29.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 17:29.39 | pinks | myboxen: yes - got the data |
| 17:29.41 | pinks | :D |
| 17:29.47 | myboxen | fantastic |
| 17:29.57 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 17:30.03 | myboxen | cureless: another spirit :) |
| 17:30.07 | cureless | pinks: what about the fdisk command? |
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| 17:30.17 | pinks | myboxen: you're a spooky genius :) |
| 17:30.23 | cureless | myboxen: I think you just don't know how to execute fdisk :-P |
| 17:30.26 | BertoX | thanks for answers :) |
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| 17:30.48 | pinks | cureless: it is now in fdisk -l |
| 17:31.01 | ejobs | hi |
| 17:31.01 | ejobs | Turn $7 into $906,799 of pure profits! Works like magic! |
| 17:31.01 | ejobs | Check this out! |
| 17:31.01 | ejobs | http://tinyurl.com/oypvr |
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| 17:31.24 | cureless | pinks: you two have spirits, I swear. But I will remember this for next time somebody asks. |
| 17:31.36 | cureless | myboxen: are you using unstable too? Maybe it's a bug in fdisk. |
| 17:31.37 | myboxen | cureless: come on now, im not attacking you. I do know how to execute fdisk. |
| 17:31.47 | pinks | yep - it's a good one :) |
| 17:31.54 | cureless | myboxen: it was a joke, hence the :-P |
| 17:32.08 | myboxen | cureless: yes I am using testing |
| 17:32.20 | myboxen | but it happened on my stable box as well |
| 17:32.21 | pinks | myboxen: how can I get it to mount automatiaclly when lougged in? |
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| 17:32.35 | unstable | !ops spammer joined and parted /lastlog ejobs |
| 17:32.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: spammer joined and parted /lastlog ejobs |
| 17:32.40 | pinks | *plugged in |
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| 17:32.49 | GyrosGeier | hi |
| 17:33.10 | abrotman | unstable: that wasn't exactly a part .. he got kicked |
| 17:33.19 | unstable | o |
| 17:33.22 | unstable | still no ban though |
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| 17:33.23 | GyrosGeier | anyone own a Dell Inspiron, preferably from the 3000 series, who can tell me the partition type for the Suspend-To-Disk partition? |
| 17:33.35 | LoRez | klined |
| 17:33.44 | mentor | never mind then |
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| 17:34.11 | myboxen | cureless: I havent spent the time yet to figure it out. But when I do I will either file a bug or let folks know here. |
| 17:34.34 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 17:34.35 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 17:34.38 | cureless | myboxen: sounds good. |
| 17:34.57 | pinks | myboxen: is there a way to make it mount automatically when I plug it in? |
| 17:35.11 | Supaplex | pinks: like automount? |
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| 17:35.34 | pinks | Supaplex: maybe - i'm asking |
| 17:35.53 | GyrosGeier | abrotman, thanks |
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| 17:39.06 | LordNazgul | hey are there any DDs in here? |
| 17:39.20 | ere | In order to be able to track problems with workstation it is preferable to assign static IP-addresses. Do you know if it is common with such a setup? Static |
| 17:39.24 | ere | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.03 | cureless | LordNazgul: what do you need a DD for? |
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| 17:40.16 | LoRez | ere: it's easy if not common. you can also create the same effect by making the lease times extraordinarily large like 5 years. |
| 17:40.18 | XoR_ | how i can install avidemux ? |
| 17:40.26 | redmonkey | how often would you say is it recommendable to upgrade a debian etch system? i'm upgrading it 1-3 times a week. it that too often? |
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| 17:40.27 | LordNazgul | cureless, just wanted to ask one a few questions about getting incolced |
| 17:40.35 | LordNazgul | involved |
| 17:40.42 | XoR_ | i didn't find avidemux :( |
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| 17:40.46 | yos87 | hi |
| 17:40.59 | cureless | LordNazgul: DDs are normally in the -dev channel. I would suggest reading all the docs before you try something. |
| 17:41.07 | MrNaz | LoRez thats not good if you're running a network on which clients come and go often like say a public access WLAN |
| 17:41.16 | XoR_ | avidemux is my favorite video software |
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| 17:41.22 | LoRez | MrNaz: he said workstations, not public access wlan. |
| 17:41.30 | MrNaz | LoRez a far better solution is to track problems using MAC accresses |
| 17:41.31 | LordNazgul | cureless, i read through them, at least the ones i found on debian.org, jsut had a couple more questions |
| 17:41.37 | yos87 | after I install the new kernel , I lost the windows xp line in the grub menu, hot to recover that line |
| 17:41.42 | MrNaz | LoRez yea true, he did say that |
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| 17:41.52 | LoRez | MrNaz: tell him, not me :) |
| 17:41.52 | cureless | LordNazgul: head on over then, good luck. |
| 17:42.09 | LordNazgul | thx cureless |
| 17:42.29 | MrNaz | hey ere : a far better way is to track problems using MAC addresses (you may have seen this in a completely unrelated discussion :P ) |
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| 17:44.10 | AnisFarhana | greetings |
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| 17:44.51 | BertoX | another question please : what means the 'A' preceding the paquage name ? i.e i A libxine1 |
| 17:44.55 | ere | MrNaz: track problems with MAC-addresses, how? the solution I have in mind involves remote logging with syslog. The hostname and ip-addresses needs to be static so that I know wich host the message come from |
| 17:45.28 | GyrosGeier | Hm |
| 17:45.40 | GyrosGeier | is there a lower limit on the size of logical volumes? |
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| 17:46.25 | GyrosGeier | or does LVM just take insane amounts of memory, so it gets killed when lvmsetup is run by d-i on a 32MiB machine? |
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| 17:47.03 | evaded | Hi guys, i have an USB Wacom Volito pen drawn tablet. When i plug it on the computer the pen are been detected. dmesg show that it's been loaded 'input: Wacom Volito on usb-0000:00:03.1-2.3'. The led are been on. But when i use then pen it not work good, it give conflict with the actual pointer i guess. How i troubleshoot that? |
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| 17:48.10 | rvalles | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130736 |
| 17:48.24 | rvalles | Interesting behaviour that of Gentoo developers, when exposed to moral issues. |
| 17:49.02 | Ronin | wouldn't call that a moral issue but to each thier own |
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| 17:49.06 | rvalles | I love how debian handled the same issue seriously protecting the rights of the users a while ago |
| 17:49.14 | rvalles | :-) |
| 17:49.26 | evaded | The pen does move the cursor only to the left side, but with some strange mouvements. The _original_ are been connected an work fine. Is it not possible to use more that one mouse on the system? I not know where to look, i have no experience with that |
| 17:49.29 | cat | b /whois rvalles |
| 17:49.48 | Zta | I added "APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ;" to my apt.conf but I still get GPG errors when I do apt-get update with apt sources that I don't have a key for |
| 17:50.06 | Ronin | but i can see your point rvalles they could have handelled that better |
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| 17:50.20 | Usiu | Hi |
| 17:50.29 | Usiu | When a problem with DRI and xorg will be fixed? |
| 17:50.35 | GyrosGeier | hm |
| 17:50.46 | asg | Usiu: track the relevant bug in the BTS |
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| 17:50.55 | Usiu | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359328 |
| 17:51.00 | rvalles | Ronin: at least, I'd say the developers that touched the bug could have been a bit more polite. |
| 17:51.05 | GyrosGeier | in the d-i partitioner, shouldn't I see the LVM logical volumes as "partitions"? |
| 17:51.20 | Zta | Oh for some packages it works.. |
| 17:51.21 | Zta | hmm |
| 17:51.53 | Usiu | asg, I am looking for a temporary fix for that.. |
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| 17:52.36 | evaded | hhmm nice |
| 17:52.38 | evaded | !pen |
| 17:52.38 | dpkg | i guess pen is something you use to write with, and can also be used to restart the windoze boxen with a little reset button. Used most for definition number 2. |
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| 17:52.58 | evaded | I like the last part :-) |
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| 17:53.43 | evaded | But my usb drawn pen not work here :-/ |
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| 17:53.57 | Caligula | Hi guys, i've got an important wuestion... |
| 17:53.57 | asg | evaded: /msg dpkg wacom (maybe) |
| 17:54.05 | Caligula | *question |
| 17:54.11 | Supaplex | Usiu: a regression issue appears suspect. try an older kernel, and work your way up. |
| 17:54.11 | Ronin | Caligula: best just to ask it |
| 17:54.15 | Caligula | I want to install debian |
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| 17:54.22 | evaded | asg: Oh, really thanks, finally simply |
| 17:54.29 | krassy1809 | Witch is better bind or bind9 ? |
| 17:54.30 | Caligula | but I'm not sure if everything will work... |
| 17:54.31 | Usiu | Supaplex, maybe development Mesa from tarball ? |
| 17:54.41 | Caligula | I'm running ubuntu now |
| 17:54.45 | asg | krassy1809: #dns is a better forum |
| 17:54.45 | Supaplex | Usiu: if you find anything significant, comment on the bug. yea |
| 17:55.01 | Caligula | everything works "out of the box" in ubuntu |
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| 17:55.02 | Supaplex | !debtakeover |
| 17:55.02 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 17:55.14 | Caligula | does that mean it'll work in debian as well? |
| 17:55.22 | evaded | asg: How have you find that? |
| 17:55.23 | Supaplex | Caligula: try it and see |
| 17:55.30 | Ronin | Caligula: no but it certainly is a good sign |
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| 17:55.35 | Usiu | Supaplex, I mean someone said on mailing list the soulution is to upload to sid mesa 6.5 wich is development release so it wont happend since 6.6 release |
| 17:55.37 | Caligula | But I can't partition the disc |
| 17:55.48 | asg | evaded: the factoid? I knew of its existence. To search for other factoids, /msg dpkg listkeys <foo> ; /msg dpkg listvals <foo> |
| 17:55.49 | Caligula | So it's either format or don't install... |
| 17:56.11 | Ronin | and why cant you partiition the disk? |
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| 17:56.16 | Usiu | Supaplex, and the second solution is reverting, older kernel and older drivers... |
| 17:56.23 | Caligula | mainly because I can't backup |
| 17:56.29 | Spec | All of a sudden my postgresql 7.2 server wouldn't start with the error: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference; I fixed it with export LD_ASSUME_LIBRARY=2.4.1, i'm running a 2.6 kernel - my question is why did this fix that problem? :p |
| 17:56.31 | stray_ | Caligula: if ubunto works for you, why change? |
| 17:56.41 | Caligula | and I don't want to lose everything and at the end debian won't work... |
| 17:56.41 | GyrosGeier | Hm |
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| 17:56.49 | evaded | asg: I have also find it with 'apropos wacom' ;-) I wanted to know how to get some infos |
| 17:56.52 | Caligula | because behind ubuntu there is a company |
| 17:56.56 | Zta | Anyone who has convinced secure apt to install mplayer from deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main ? |
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| 17:57.04 | Supaplex | Usiu: that's what regression testing is all about. if you know how to apply diffs, you might even help |
| 17:57.07 | evaded | asg: Thanks ;-) |
| 17:57.08 | abrotman | so just freaking use it .. don't switch if you're not technically capable of doing so |
| 17:57.12 | zinx | !tell Zta about marillat key |
| 17:57.16 | Caligula | I want a community based system... |
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| 17:57.22 | LordNazgul | caligula is your /home on the same partition as / because if not, as long as you are careful formatting shouldnt lose your data |
| 17:57.23 | Spec | ubuntu is community based |
| 17:57.47 | Supaplex | Caligula: we provide resources, we don't babysit |
| 17:57.48 | Caligula | I think so, but how do I check? |
| 17:57.54 | Usiu | Supaplex, isnt it easier to upload 6.5 ? |
| 17:58.01 | LordNazgul | caligula less /ets/fstab |
| 17:58.21 | LordNazgul | caligula */ets/fstab |
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| 17:58.27 | LordNazgul | etc/fstab |
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| 17:58.32 | Supaplex | Usiu: you'll have to wait on the package maintainer(s) for that. |
| 17:58.47 | LordNazgul | ARGHH never working a third shift again!!!!! cant type |
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| 17:59.02 | Usiu | Supaplex, package maintainer is going to wait for 6.6 release, and this will take a long time :P |
| 17:59.04 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:59.05 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:59.06 | Usiu | Supaplex, its funny |
| 18:00.04 | Supaplex | Usiu: that is funny. I think there's a way to siphon in upstream releases into the deb-src you have. it'll take some tinkering depending on how much has changed. :) |
| 18:00.07 | Zta | zinx, nice. Now it works. |
| 18:00.14 | Supaplex | !feed me LUNCH |
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| 18:00.27 | Supaplex | oh boy |
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| 18:00.53 | Usiu | Supaplex, good idea.. |
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| 18:01.15 | Supaplex | which one? |
| 18:01.18 | Supaplex | hehehe |
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| 18:03.18 | testi | hello. Is it possible to detach a X11-Session. There is "screen" for console-programs, but can i also tunnel the X11-Session of a program indirectly to the X-Server. And the program between is able to quit the connection to X but fakes a continuous connection for the X-application. |
| 18:03.45 | cureless | testi: there was one called xmove, it kind of died. Most people use vnc now. |
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| 18:05.14 | testi | died? or is it just "complete" |
| 18:05.21 | klync | testi: iirc, there's also a way to do what amounts to setting $DISPLAY to /dev/null... lemme see if i can find it somewhere |
| 18:05.21 | testi | and does it work like i said? |
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| 18:05.38 | needlz_ | hi |
| 18:05.40 | cureless | testi: google for it, see what you find. |
| 18:05.43 | Unetixs | hey guys, I have a quick question. I installed XP to another partition, and it hosed the MBR and filled it with Windows crap. How do I get Grub back? |
| 18:06.10 | needlz_ | im trying to compile glibc, but i get always this message: configure: error: you must configure in a separate build directory. how is that meant? what must i change? |
| 18:06.31 | klync | testi: i have a daemon which, stupidly, needs $DISPLAY, and i put this in ~/.profile of the user it runs as: |
| 18:06.31 | cureless | needlz_: why are you compiling glibc? |
| 18:06.34 | klync | if [[ "$DISPLAYx" -eq "x" ]] ; then |
| 18:06.37 | klync | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.39 | klync | fi |
| 18:06.43 | Ronin | Unetixs: as i recall insert disk 1, do a rescue and when it asks rebuild mbr, haven't done it for a while so im working off memory, and im old ;) |
| 18:06.44 | evaded | How can i know wich device my wacom tablet is? |
| 18:06.48 | Firehand | is there a debian gnu/kfreebsd channel here on the network? |
| 18:06.57 | needlz_ | cureless: i need glibc 2.4 for a programm |
| 18:07.06 | needlz_ | and i want to compile (not apt-get) |
| 18:07.18 | needlz_ | since i made some mods to "en_GB.po" :) |
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| 18:08.42 | Dabian | is there a place to wget the "nvidia one-liner" ? |
| 18:08.52 | Eclipser | wget it? |
| 18:08.56 | Dabian | (I can't get gpm running) |
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| 18:09.01 | Eclipser | heh |
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| 18:09.08 | cureless | needlz_: well, compiling glibc is not simple. and acording to your error you need to start by configuring to a separate directory. You know, use ./configure but build the actual objects somewhere other than the source dir. |
| 18:09.41 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 18:09.41 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 18:09.41 | RvGaTe | Good evening all ! :) |
| 18:09.52 | Dabian | cureless : On the contrary; compared to other libraries, compiling glibc is supposed to be rather trivial for supported platforms; afaik. |
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| 18:10.27 | cureless | Dabian: ok then. |
| 18:10.39 | Dabian | cureless : I am not cureless, but I might be clueless. :-) |
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| 18:10.52 | MrNaz | http://rafb.net/paste/results/sfmqiD53.html <-- I get this on a brand new fresh install of Sarge every time when installing from boot floppies and installed from FTP... i am using /boot partition in EXT2 (raid1) and / is 10.5gb JFS RAID5, /storage is 880gb JFS RAID5 and swap is 1.5gb RAID5 .... anyone know what would cause this? |
| 18:10.57 | Unetixs | thanks Ronin, I'll try that |
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| 18:11.12 | Dabian | cureless : (In other words, I never compiled glibc myself) ;-) |
| 18:11.23 | swim_love | hi , can someone tell me why the internet on my debian is not working, but when I ping the host it is working? |
| 18:11.42 | needlz_ | alright thanks cureless |
| 18:11.44 | Dabian | swim_love : You're probably unaware that you're talking garbage. |
| 18:11.55 | SimonRaven | then your internets is working, if you can ping |
| 18:11.56 | needlz_ | ill try to google for some more infos |
| 18:12.09 | swim_love | Dabian, no its not |
| 18:12.11 | Dabian | SimonRaven : Unless its her own host she is pinging .. |
| 18:12.16 | Ronin | swim_love: checked your dns settings if you cant browse to say google? |
| 18:12.19 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 18:12.25 | cureless | needlz_: you can try to get a source package, it'll make it easier to compile, then make your changes there. |
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| 18:12.36 | needlz_ | swim_love: did you try ping google.com? did it resolve? |
| 18:12.44 | swim_love | yep it worked |
| 18:12.45 | needlz_ | cureless: ah good idea, thanks |
| 18:12.51 | cureless | Dabian: you should try it, it's enlightening |
| 18:12.53 | needlz_ | swim_love: got the ip? |
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| 18:13.08 | swim_love | needlz_, I am doing it over a router |
| 18:13.19 | swim_love | and that is kind of screwing it I think |
| 18:13.34 | swim_love | needlz_, can you tell me in brief the steps to get the eth0 running |
| 18:13.37 | SimonRaven | 1assume |
| 18:13.39 | SimonRaven | !assume |
| 18:13.40 | dpkg | it has been said that assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
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| 18:14.05 | RvGaTe | swim_love: eth0 is running if you can ping google.com... |
| 18:14.10 | needlz_ | swim_love: you said you can ping google.com? |
| 18:14.11 | cureless | needlz_: don't know how easy that is to find though. |
| 18:14.27 | needlz_ | so cureless is right |
| 18:14.33 | swim_love | cureless, yes I can ping: but say when I open firefox it doesn't show up |
| 18:14.35 | swim_love | and times out |
| 18:14.53 | swim_love | cureless, also I the same happens if the do apt-get update |
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| 18:15.10 | abrotman | proxy? |
| 18:15.13 | swim_love | cureless, so basically I am clueless |
| 18:15.17 | Dabian | swim_love : Then your net is working, but your firefox is not. |
| 18:15.17 | needlz_ | swim_love: what does ifconfig show |
| 18:15.22 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 18:15.25 | cureless | swim_love: I don't know what you are talking about. |
| 18:15.27 | LordNazgul | swim love do you have any other interfaces installed on the machine. ive found that sometimes when one interface goes down i get funky problems like that |
| 18:15.36 | swim_love | needlz_, it shows the ip correctly |
| 18:15.42 | Eclipser | my tvcard doesn't work on 2.6.15 debian kernel :< |
| 18:15.51 | needlz_ | so "the internet" seems to be working ;> |
| 18:15.55 | Dabian | swim_love : sudo route -n |
| 18:15.57 | asg | swim_love: telnet www.google.com 80 (then type 'GET / HTTP/1.0' and hit ENTER twice). What happens? |
| 18:16.07 | swim_love | LordNazgul, yep I have a wireless card |
| 18:16.27 | LordNazgul | swimlove was the connectiopn up and recently went down? |
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| 18:16.31 | Eclipser | .. no signal at all |
| 18:16.36 | Eclipser | works fine on windowsthough :/ |
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| 18:16.54 | Eclipser | ... |
| 18:16.58 | swim_love | infact I did a wget www.google.com and I get the index.html downloaded |
| 18:17.03 | Eclipser | dmesg flooded with "Tuner has no way to set tv freq" |
| 18:17.09 | Eclipser | I think it's using the wrong tuner :> |
| 18:17.20 | asg | swim_love: then check to see if firefox isn't using some broken proxy |
| 18:17.34 | cureless | needlz_: what are you compiling that needs glibc 2.4? |
| 18:17.45 | LordNazgul | swimlove the problem is definately in your browser then |
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| 18:18.18 | Gavrila | swim_love, what about /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn ? |
| 18:18.19 | MrNaz | how do you get a list of users on the system? |
| 18:18.20 | swim_love | LordNazgul, but even the irc thing doesn't work, neither does my apt-get or netselect works |
| 18:18.23 | seb- | how come debain main menu doesn't have a RUN option to run an app? |
| 18:18.27 | asg | MrNaz: who or w |
| 18:18.28 | Dabian | find / -iname \*nazgul\* -exec rm -rf "{}" ";" |
| 18:18.35 | SimonRaven | you don't need sudo to run route, only to change routes. /sbin/route -n works fine |
| 18:18.45 | Dabian | SimonRaven : Cool. |
| 18:18.56 | asg | MrNaz: that will list those currently logged in |
| 18:19.02 | Unetixs | MS tech support just told me that if I use a different CD to install with and use a legit CD key, I have a pirated copy |
| 18:19.09 | needlz_ | cureless: an ircd a friend wrote, and i thought its a good point to change the boring default messages |
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| 18:19.24 | seb- | Dabian: that line shows why find is the scariest unix command there is |
| 18:19.24 | Dabian | SimonRaven : So its only the path ordinary users lack. |
| 18:19.34 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 18:19.35 | Dabian | seb- : :) |
| 18:19.38 | seb- | HOW RUN APP FROM GNOME MENU? |
| 18:19.49 | cureless | needlz_: glibc 2.4 is kind of new, what is it using from 2.4 not in the current glibc? |
| 18:19.54 | asg | seb-: stop shouting ffs |
| 18:20.00 | RvGaTe | seb- typing all capital isn't going to help you |
| 18:20.30 | seb- | asg: what's an ffs? |
| 18:20.36 | sepski | !ffs |
| 18:20.37 | dpkg | it has been said that ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 18:20.39 | needlz_ | cureless: actually i dont know, the configure just tell me it need glibc 2.4 |
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| 18:20.44 | SimonRaven | !ffs |
| 18:20.49 | LordNazgul | dabian what up with that |
| 18:20.57 | Dabian | /kick #debian Unetixs |
| 18:21.02 | needlz_ | its a beta of a ircd a friend has written (chaos ircd) |
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| 18:21.27 | needlz_ | Dabian: what did he do? |
| 18:21.34 | asg | needlz_: did you friend write it on an oldish redhat system? |
| 18:21.38 | seb- | RvGaTe: this is a pretty glaring missing feature |
| 18:21.39 | kuru | any reason why php4-mysql would be removed if I were to install php4-dev ? (I'm on 'etch') |
| 18:21.42 | Dabian | /kick #debian Unetixs Mental midget. |
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| 18:21.57 | needlz_ | asg: no i guess its LFS |
| 18:22.00 | needlz_ | heh |
| 18:22.11 | seb- | needlz_: LFS yay! |
| 18:22.11 | RvGaTe | seb-: thats not a good reason for you to shout :) |
| 18:22.15 | cureless | needlz_: you should find out. It might save you a lot of pain. Maybe you can use the normal glibc. |
| 18:22.17 | kuru | this is sort of a production system, so I don't want to have mysql connectivity severed just like that |
| 18:22.18 | MrNaz | asg i want a list of *all* users not just those logged in |
| 18:22.20 | asg | needlz_: oh, wait. |
| 18:22.21 | seb- | RvGaTe: do you know the answer? |
| 18:22.24 | Dabian | Seb: Make up a better reason. |
| 18:22.26 | asg | MrNaz: getent passwd |
| 18:22.28 | RvGaTe | seb-: no |
| 18:22.40 | MrNaz | asg thanks :) |
| 18:22.47 | seb- | Dabian: for what? |
| 18:22.50 | needlz_ | cureless: okies - i thought first this will be a ./configure && make && make install :) |
| 18:22.58 | asg | MrNaz: you can "| awk -F: '{print $1}'" if you just want the user ids |
| 18:23.37 | b4d | one question which cd's do i have to download to be able to install debian, cause on ftp mirrors there is more than 10 cd's and i doubt i need them all, tnx in advance |
| 18:23.38 | Dabian | seb- : using caps of course |
| 18:23.55 | asg | b4d: you can get by with 2 floppies. If unsure, get the first one. |
| 18:24.02 | needlz_ | b4d: i guess cd1 - the rest depends on the packages you install |
| 18:24.14 | needlz_ | :) |
| 18:24.21 | Dabian | zinx : Are you buzy? |
| 18:24.21 | b4d | ok tnx, then i'll just load other packages from net |
| 18:24.21 | tom | kuru: i also had some problems like that with PHP. i had to reinstall the packages it removed... |
| 18:24.23 | b4d | cya |
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| 18:24.27 | iter | b4d: do a net install and you can download only what you want |
| 18:24.35 | iter | ah too late :) |
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| 18:24.54 | kuru | tom, hrmm.. don't know, I'll take the risk |
| 18:24.54 | swim_love | ok, can someone point me to how I can erase all the network related info and reinstall the packages from scratch? |
| 18:25.10 | pzn_ | which driver should I use for intel ac97 modem? kernel is 2.6 |
| 18:25.14 | iter | swim_love: sounds drastic |
| 18:25.14 | sepski | seb- if your not pleased with the enties in the gnome panel, just modify them. if you want a "run" box, rightclick the panel add the "commandline"applet |
| 18:25.22 | iter | did you check if you have a firewall running |
| 18:25.31 | swim_love | iter, ok may be before that: let me explain the set up |
| 18:25.32 | seb- | sepski: thanks! |
| 18:25.33 | sepski | seb-, you dont like the meny change it. dont come whining here aboutit |
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| 18:25.46 | seb- | sepski: waa |
| 18:25.47 | swim_love | i have a dsl modem |
| 18:26.16 | Dabian | swim_love : Where do you live at? |
| 18:26.26 | swim_love | and my laptop is connected to this router and I am using DHCP to get an ip |
| 18:26.29 | swim_love | Dabian, India |
| 18:26.35 | Dabian | swim_love : Cool |
| 18:26.39 | asg | swim_love: you've already demonstrated that there is nothing wrong with your net connection |
| 18:26.50 | Dabian | asg : Maybe firewall? |
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| 18:27.09 | asg | Dabian: he was able to use wget to get the data. |
| 18:27.15 | swim_love | Dabian, firewall ya I guess it sounds like it |
| 18:27.29 | iter | yeah if you can wget you don't need to waste time reinstalling network stuff |
| 18:27.35 | asg | Dabian: unless his firewall is looking at packets and giving the finger to ones with HTTP Referrer 'Firefox' |
| 18:27.49 | SimonRaven | reisnatlling for a simple solution? sounds like doing it the winblows way ... |
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| 18:27.51 | ltd | hi |
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| 18:27.58 | Dabian | asg : maybe her firewall does that? Or something? |
| 18:28.08 | ltd | how can I know my dns please |
| 18:28.10 | ltd | ? |
| 18:28.18 | iter | ltd: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:28.25 | Dabian | How do I change nick here on FreeNODE? |
| 18:28.35 | Spec | type /nick m00 |
| 18:28.36 | asg | Dabian: very doubtful, unless she has purchased some $50k kit or built one herself. |
| 18:28.46 | Dabian | Spec : Worx not apparently. And no error. |
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| 18:28.48 | ltd | thank you iter |
| 18:28.51 | godmachine81 | LSorensen: I do have a SB Live Platinum now.. a homemade one lol.. I took the front panel card to my intel card, rerouted it to my sblive card instead of the interneal intel card.. now i have 32 channels from the front panel lol |
| 18:29.08 | Dabian | Spec : I just typed "/nick DabianII" with no result. |
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| 18:29.12 | tom | tarzeau: btw, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/wiki/ is 404 |
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| 18:29.18 | Spec | asg: you could do it with snort |
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| 18:29.34 | asg | Spec: of course. |
| 18:29.36 | Spec | asg: you'd just need a fast-ish machine, but not 50k :p |
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| 18:29.52 | Spec | i don't know how good snort is at being an active firewall though, i only use it as passive |
| 18:30.07 | asg | Spec: depends on the bandwidth and the size of the ruleset usually. |
| 18:30.07 | Spec | it wouldn't be able to just use iptables to make it a pseudo-active firewall, it'd have to drop packets on the fly to do that |
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| 18:31.04 | needlz_ | koni :) |
| 18:31.17 | tom | maybe someone should change the topic. the correct URL to the debian-faq is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:31.30 | swim_love | so guys do I have any option? |
| 18:31.31 | DabianII | Spec : Curious .. I had to part #Nvidia .. which was the reason for the nick change in the first case. Zinx apparrently added my nick to the banlist of the channel. Seems a(n other) "feature" of freenode is that you cannot change nick if you're in a channel where your nick is on the banlist. Very "clever" feature. |
| 18:31.31 | _Brandon_ | hi, how can i mount an usb storage device? |
| 18:31.59 | anabain | _Brandon_, dmesg, to identify the device |
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| 18:32.11 | tom | _Brandon_: it's usually /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:32.22 | iter | swim_love: if wget works then your networking is fine, which means either firewall or firefox problem |
| 18:32.33 | anabain | _Brandon_, and then mount -t vfat /dev/sdXY |
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| 18:32.42 | iter | swim_love: you could try apt-get install lynx and see if you can get on web with that |
| 18:32.45 | tybalt | mount -t [FILESYSTEM] /dev/sd[USB_THINGY] /my/directory |
| 18:32.52 | _Brandon_ | i've already tryed but there is no /dev/sdX |
| 18:32.54 | swim_love | iter, but tell me this why doesn't netselect works either? |
| 18:32.58 | anabain | _Brandon_, mount -t vfat /dev/sdXY /mnt or whatever |
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| 18:33.04 | tybalt | try /dev/sdx1 |
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| 18:33.10 | swim_love | iter, exactly if I update my sources.list: its not working |
| 18:33.14 | DabianII | swim_love : What in the name of Fidel Castro is "netselect" ? |
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| 18:33.30 | iter | haha |
| 18:33.30 | _Brandon_ | no i mean there is no /dev/sd* |
| 18:33.31 | anabain | _Brandon_, look at dmesg: dmesg | grep sd |
| 18:33.37 | clars | what is the packets name for "GNU Make" ? |
| 18:33.38 | _Brandon_ | well right now there is no /dev/* |
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| 18:33.43 | _Brandon_ | strange :P |
| 18:33.46 | iter | swim_love: can you ping www.google.com ? |
| 18:33.49 | swim_love | DabianII, netselect gives you the fastest mirror |
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| 18:33.59 | swim_love | DabianII, for your sources.list |
| 18:33.59 | HuK0B | hi I have problem with name server or something.. When I start dig or nslookup it give me Segmentation Fault I use debian sarge stable |
| 18:34.07 | DabianII | clars : echo `apt-file search make` |
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| 18:34.30 | DabianII | clars : (You add the appropiate "| cut -f .." |
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| 18:34.39 | tarzeau | tom: wrong url |
| 18:34.40 | _Brandon_ | so now another problem, dev directory is empty, there is just initctl |
| 18:34.47 | HuK0B | can somebody explain me why it give me segmentation fault what can be wrong |
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| 18:34.52 | anabain | _Brandon_, ??? |
| 18:34.53 | DabianII | swim_love : You mean apt-spy? |
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| 18:35.12 | anabain | what are you doing, _Brandon_ ? |
| 18:35.21 | _Brandon_ | anabain: nothing.. |
| 18:35.23 | swim_love | DabianII, I haven't used apt-spy |
| 18:35.32 | _Brandon_ | anabain: oh now there is also /dev/null :) |
| 18:35.33 | DabianII | !netselect |
| 18:35.33 | dpkg | netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror), or see http://students.washington.edu/eeyem/software/netsel.pl for a quickie perl script to pick the best debian mirror, or netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you! |
| 18:35.51 | DabianII | swim_love : I never used it. |
| 18:36.01 | swim_love | DabianII, netselect takes in a bunch of mirrors and returns you fastest among them |
| 18:36.05 | anabain | _Brandon_, but /dev is always well populated, containing a lot of devices... |
| 18:36.13 | kuru | tom, great.. broke the entire site |
| 18:36.25 | _Brandon_ | anabain: yes that was just 1 minute ago, but now nothing |
| 18:36.37 | swim_love | !apt-spy |
| 18:36.37 | dpkg | hmm... apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 18:37.01 | tom | tarzeau: cool URIs don't change :P |
| 18:37.06 | swim_love | iter, yes I can ping google |
| 18:37.25 | anabain | _Brandon_, that's weird... |
| 18:37.25 | tom | kuru: did you try to reinstall php4-mysql ? |
| 18:37.26 | iter | try using something other than firefox to get on web |
| 18:37.31 | kuru | tom, yup |
| 18:37.31 | iter | apt-get install lynx |
| 18:37.35 | kuru | tom, it won't load |
| 18:37.36 | tom | kuru: and it doesn't work? |
| 18:37.39 | tom | kuru: why not? |
| 18:37.46 | kuru | tom, I think it's php4-mysql for apache1 and not apache2 |
| 18:37.52 | _Brandon_ | anabain: yes, i'll try to reboot |
| 18:37.54 | anabain | _Brandon_, try MAKEDEV update |
| 18:37.58 | tom | kuru: you have apache2? |
| 18:37.59 | _Brandon_ | anabain: ok |
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| 18:38.20 | tom | kuru: try (re)installing libapache2-mod-php4 then |
| 18:38.21 | kuru | tom, yup |
| 18:38.23 | kuru | I did |
| 18:38.29 | tom | kuru: restart apache |
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| 18:38.40 | swim_love | iter, I used irc, then mozilla but nothing worked |
| 18:38.55 | iter | firewall issue then |
| 18:39.12 | kuru | tom, been there.. no go |
| 18:39.21 | tom | kuru: so what exactly does not work |
| 18:39.28 | tom | kuru: are there any error messages in the errorlog? |
| 18:39.37 | swim_love | iter, you think so ? |
| 18:39.48 | kuru | tom, Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.4.2-1+b1 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 configured |
| 18:39.51 | _Brandon_ | anabain: doesen't work anyway now mouse and console doesen't work i'll reboot :P |
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| 18:39.58 | kuru | tom, I cannot load the mysql.so module |
| 18:40.10 | tom | kuru: so what's the error message? |
| 18:40.11 | anabain | ok |
| 18:40.20 | tom | kuru: try apt-get install php4 |
| 18:40.36 | kuru | tom, LoadModule mysql_module /usr/lib/php4/20050606/mysql.so |
| 18:40.46 | kuru | heh |
| 18:40.47 | kuru | interesting |
| 18:41.11 | tom | what? |
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| 18:41.21 | HuK0B | I have problem with name server or something.. When I start dig or nslookup it give me Segmentation Fault I use debian sarge stable. What can be wrong. I installed debian sarge on virtual machine (um) and set hostname hosts with 127.0.0.1 localhost and resolv.conf with name server of my isp |
| 18:41.40 | SimonRaven | !tell suicida`afk -about away |
| 18:41.44 | kuru | tom, Cannot load /usr/lib/php4/20050606/mysql.so into server: /usr/lib/php4/20050606/mysql.so: undefined symbol: empty_string |
| 18:42.19 | tom | kuru: it sounds a bit like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306015 |
| 18:42.23 | iter | swim_love: yeah networking is OK, you can ping and wget, but some apps arent working right which means either all those apps are broken or something is preventing them from getting on net |
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| 18:42.52 | tom | kuru: which should be already resolved... |
| 18:43.11 | swim_love | iter, ya I have disabled the firewall on the router, let me see: if I can't get any further then I may have to scrap the system which is not good |
| 18:43.32 | kuru | tom, yeah.. but that didn't do it |
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| 18:44.59 | tom | kuru: :/ try reinstalling the whole php/mysql stuff and restarting apache... |
| 18:45.03 | AnisFarhana | how to start any service on debian ? |
| 18:45.10 | AnisFarhana | service <process> <start> ? |
| 18:45.17 | jind | /etc/init.d/service start |
| 18:45.24 | SimonRaven | no, that redhat |
| 18:45.29 | SimonRaven | what jind said |
| 18:45.54 | jind | SimonRaven, you silly man :) |
| 18:45.54 | tuck3r | Is there a doc on writeing debian init scripts? |
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| 18:46.14 | SimonRaven | tuck3r: /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:46.18 | AnisFarhana | thanks SimonRaven / jind |
| 18:46.28 | SimonRaven | tuck3r: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 18:46.54 | tuck3r | I am editing skeleton but can't get it to work. |
| 18:47.04 | kuru | ok, we're in business |
| 18:47.14 | SimonRaven | don't edit skeleton, cp it |
| 18:47.21 | swim_love | anyway thanks guys for help me out |
| 18:47.31 | tuck3r | I did. |
| 18:47.31 | AnisFarhana | oh ok , 1 more question , how to install httpd ? i already try apt-get install httpd , but they give many options about it , what should i do guys ? |
| 18:47.43 | tuck3r | apt-get install apache2 |
| 18:48.07 | AnisFarhana | tuck3r: thanks |
| 18:48.15 | jind | debian <3 |
| 18:48.22 | jind | Just felt like telling |
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| 18:48.41 | kuru | tom, but it just about fux0red all my configs |
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| 18:49.07 | neko_ | DMA write timed out WOUHOU a loooot every 10 sec |
| 18:49.09 | neko_ | yay ! |
| 18:49.17 | neko_ | wtf? |
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| 18:49.58 | Supaplex | maybe you should disable it and buy a replacement |
| 18:50.01 | tuck3r | I am trying to write a init script for a start and stop script, I just need to pass 'start' and 'stop' to the script, whats the best way to do this? |
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| 18:50.58 | AnisFarhana | this is totally strange for me |
| 18:51.05 | AnisFarhana | using redhat and non-redhat |
| 18:51.26 | Supaplex | tuck3r: borrow from an existing one, widdle it down, and fill in the blanks. (if you know shell scripting). consult #bash for those specifics. poke around in /usr/share/docs for more info (I don't recall any more specific) |
| 18:51.39 | AnisFarhana | before this /var/www/html is the path for the webserver , how about debian ? i just found /var/www but no /html there |
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| 18:51.52 | dead | hi all! |
| 18:52.06 | tuck3r | This is what I have, http://pastebin.com/673815. |
| 18:52.12 | Supaplex | AnisFarhana: just as you stated. or you can put it anywhere you want. (see DocumentRoot in your httpd.conf) |
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| 18:53.17 | dead | can anyone explane what means shoot yourself in the foot? |
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| 18:53.31 | tuck3r | The init script I have so far will start it fine but it wont stop it. |
| 18:53.35 | zinx | dead: you take a loaded gun, point it at your foot, then pull the trigger |
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| 18:53.51 | tuck3r | I just need to get it to stop and I'm happy. |
| 18:53.55 | Eclipser | dead, can also be interpreted as doing something stupid |
| 18:54.16 | AnisFarhana | Supaplex: aha yes , but i even dont know where httpd.conf located |
| 18:54.17 | pzn_ | I need kernel-headers-2.6.15-1-686 to install my modem under debian. any hint where can I get kernel headers? |
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| 18:54.44 | Supaplex | !tell AnisFarhana -about search |
| 18:54.52 | helge | #hurd |
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| 18:54.57 | helge | join hurd |
| 18:55.01 | hrtp | !tell pzn_ sypnatic |
| 18:55.13 | AnisFarhana | oh thanks |
| 18:55.19 | hrtp | !tell pzn_ -about sypnatic |
| 18:55.28 | valdyn | pzn_: uname -r |
| 18:55.39 | hrtp | !tell pzn_ -about synaptic |
| 18:55.48 | valdyn | pzn_: or just 'apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:56.06 | dead | the matter is that i am russian and english is not the language which i can speak easy |
| 18:56.16 | valdyn | !ru |
| 18:56.16 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 18:56.17 | pzn_ | ops... kernel 2.6.15-1-686 is not available from debian... I got from unofficial installed (notebook issue with standard kernel) |
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| 18:56.40 | valdyn | pzn_: then ask your unofficial source for the headers |
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| 18:58.40 | Supaplex | pzn_: /boot/ has configs for kp built kernels. you can download the source and roll another. provided the vendor hasn't issued any patches in the one you're running. otherwise you can stick with the mainstream kernel. |
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| 18:59.20 | pzn_ | valdyn, I got the kernel from "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15" ... no kernel-headers there... 2 hours to get the bus and laptop modem must be working... :-) |
| 18:59.27 | AnisFarhana | Supaplex: yay found it thanks sirrr |
| 18:59.41 | FrigidZephyr | in linux |
| 18:59.47 | valdyn | pzn_: grab a kernel from backports.org with its header |
| 18:59.58 | valdyn | pzn_: you dont need a special kernel, just a recent one >=2.6.15 |
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| 19:00.32 | FrigidZephyr | in linux\debian is there a built-in tool to show system info, as in cpu,ram,temps,hdd space, etc ? |
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| 19:01.08 | valdyn | FrigidZephyr: what would 'built in' be? there is alot of tools doing this but none of those is 'built in' |
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| 19:01.28 | outlaw84 | what is the minimum package I can install to get xorg? |
| 19:01.40 | FrigidZephyr | valdyn: doesnt have to be built-in, more specifically i just need one, =D is there Any at all? |
| 19:01.56 | Flynth | FrigidZephyr: dmesg |
| 19:02.35 | Flynth | and cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:02.58 | hrtp | where are the lib* located? |
| 19:03.08 | Supaplex | AnisFarhana: no problem. It's good to see you put the resources I provided to work. =) |
| 19:03.11 | valdyn | hrtp: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:03.21 | FrigidZephyr | Flynth: are these relatively easy to use for alinux n00b ? |
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| 19:04.31 | daeos | quick question... which packages would i need to install devel and shared of MySQL ? |
| 19:04.56 | daeos | I need both of them |
| 19:05.03 | Flynth | FrigidZephyr: output is not hard to understand if you know anything at all about PC hardware |
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| 19:05.18 | FrigidZephyr | Flynth: cool, i see =D just ran it |
| 19:05.24 | Thrawn | hey, there was a debian package that I cannot remember the name of, it was a traceroute utility that would continue to ping each hop. Anyone know what Im talking about? |
| 19:05.25 | Flynth | It's a bit raw thouh |
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| 19:06.13 | FrigidZephyr | Flynth: works for me! thanks, also do you know of anything more concise? preferably runs in X ? |
| 19:06.14 | pinucset | one think, is amarok broken in debian unstable? aptitude install amarok asks for libtunepimp2c2a but it doesnt exists |
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| 19:07.49 | Supaplex | pinucset: sid users should know how to search. repeat the branch your tracking a few times to yourself :) |
| 19:07.50 | Flynth | FrigidZephye: I don't, dmesg, lspci, cardctl is usually more than enough for me |
| 19:08.23 | FrigidZephyr | Flynth: no prob, i appreciate the help =] |
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| 19:10.50 | AnisFarhana | Supaplex: why i got so many .conf ? conf.d , httpd.conf , apache2.conf |
| 19:11.13 | AnisFarhana | Supaplex: when i put index.html , it goes to http://www.example.com/apache2-default/ |
| 19:11.19 | AnisFarhana | how to remove the apache2-default ? |
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| 19:12.52 | yalu | does anyone have a recommendation on software to convert a primary hd partition to a logical one? |
| 19:13.04 | Dabian | [yalu] : Excuse me? |
| 19:13.44 | Dabian | scarynetworkguy :-) |
| 19:13.47 | valdyn | yalu: dont do it |
| 19:13.56 | Dabian | [scarynetworkguy] : Long time, nosee! |
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| 19:14.02 | yalu | valdyn: why not? |
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| 19:15.45 | nadavr | how do I request packing a new package? |
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| 19:16.14 | daeos | ok.. how about this then, if openssl is installed what other components of it, can be installed? im trying to compile a program and it keeps telling me that openssl isn't installed AND it is! |
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| 19:16.44 | EvilDin | hay i add some links to sources.list, and now i have problem all the time is asking me if i want to install this unauthorized packages, how to add that won't asking me? |
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| 19:17.46 | Supaplex | !topicsmite EvilDin |
| 19:17.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon EvilDin. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 19:18.09 | nadavr | I wish to package robin for python: http://robin.python-hosting.com/ who do I talk to? |
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| 19:18.41 | abrotman | guess he didn't want to konw |
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| 19:20.10 | steve | hi all |
| 19:20.15 | steve | hi all. is it possible to find out whether an ISO file is bootable? |
| 19:20.46 | valdyn | steve: maybe isoinfo will tell that |
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| 19:20.51 | daeos | abrotman: wow!!! your here!! maybe you can answer this puzzleing question to my annoying delema!!! I am trying to compile from source a emulator... and this emulator during the compiling checks for certain programs... at first it said i didn't have mysql... i fixed that (even though i did), now it says i don't have openssl.... which i do..... what would be the best way to find out what it wants as far as openssl is concerned..... since i don |
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| 19:21.33 | Kinks | daeos: your long paragraph was cut off at "since i don" |
| 19:21.36 | abrotman | daeos: apt-cache search ssl dev |
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| 19:22.00 | daeos | edit .... see anything in apt about other openssl packages except |
| 19:22.00 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.06 | dead | thanx for explanation |
| 19:22.14 | daeos | thanks guys i'll try that |
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| 19:23.00 | fragalot | hey... could anybody help me with installing Enemy Territory on a dedicated server? |
| 19:23.01 | h2k | does debian have OOo for amd64 already? |
| 19:23.21 | valdyn | hrtp: no |
| 19:23.22 | fragalot | i'm trying to install it, but i'm getting an error when the setup wants to run. |
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| 19:23.37 | Varg__ | anyone else having trouble with gnome-theme-manager crashing in unstable? |
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| 19:24.25 | valdyn | fragalot: better dont tell us what the error is |
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| 19:25.09 | fragalot | it's failing in x86/glibc2.1 |
| 19:25.27 | fragalot | ./setup.sh: line 278: 9018 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL to be more exact |
| 19:25.37 | fragalot | the glib error comes after that |
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| 19:26.15 | Quickimaster | hello |
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| 19:27.17 | Supaplex | fragalot: you can run sh -x setup.sh to see what the shell is interpreting as it goes. maybe it'll expand those values so it's easier to pin down. (and there's always gdb) |
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| 19:28.06 | Supaplex | !confuse Ashe`el |
| 19:28.06 | dpkg | Yes, who was my weasel today, Ashe`el? breeches of the people's republic of tibet with extra cream |
| 19:29.21 | fragalot | hmm.... all i see is alot of coppy's removings, and... errors |
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| 19:30.11 | yos87 | Hi, I install the kernel 2.6 386, I have error when booting , : attemting to kill init. |
| 19:30.42 | Supaplex | yos87: kernel panic? |
| 19:30.45 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.06 | RvGaTe | any people from polen in here? |
| 19:31.16 | yos87 | supaplex: what kernel panic mean? |
| 19:31.17 | AnisFarhana | does DocumentRoot on apache2.conf files ? |
| 19:31.22 | Supaplex | !kernel panic |
| 19:31.22 | dpkg | i guess kernel panic is at http://www.kernel-panic.com/links/Programming/C/, or <reply> sudo dd if=/proc/kmem of=/dev/mem, or dunno, never seen it Aiee, killing interrupt handler!, or see "norootfs" for messages about no root filesystem. |
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| 19:31.43 | jelly | Not an overly useful factiod |
| 19:31.49 | Supaplex | yea |
| 19:32.09 | kuru | well.. |
| 19:32.16 | yos87 | ! the website is worng |
| 19:32.16 | dpkg | yos87: okay |
| 19:32.24 | Supaplex | haha |
| 19:32.24 | kuru | tom, the hassle was worth it.. Turck MMCache makes quite a significant difference |
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| 19:32.28 | fragalot | #gentoo-en |
| 19:32.31 | fragalot | wups |
| 19:32.31 | Supaplex | ! the website |
| 19:32.32 | dpkg | well, the website is worng |
| 19:32.38 | yos87 | supaplex: the website witch dpkg give to me is worng |
| 19:32.45 | Supaplex | !forget the website |
| 19:32.45 | dpkg | Supaplex: i forgot the website |
| 19:32.47 | gnufan | Hehe if my box paniced -- I'd know what was wrong -- disk read error -- remount / read-only -- wait for me to press the button. Bah DELL 3/Di RAID controller (Adaptec suck). |
| 19:32.55 | Supaplex | yos87: which one? |
| 19:33.07 | yos87 | http://www.kernel-panic.com/links/Programming/C/ |
| 19:34.01 | yos87 | supaplex: tell me please, usually when updating the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6, it should boot normally after, or something else shoud done before? |
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| 19:34.07 | RoeyInDisgust | hi |
| 19:34.09 | fbn | why will php5 remove apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 19:34.14 | Supaplex | dpkg: literal kernel panic |
| 19:34.15 | dpkg | "#debian kernel panic" is "at http://www.kernel-panic.com/links/Programming/C/, or <reply> sudo dd if=/proc/kmem of=/dev/mem, or dunno, never seen it Aiee, killing interrupt handler!, or see "norootfs" for messages about no root filesystem." |
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| 19:34.27 | fragalot | Enemy Territory.. error.. anyone? :( |
| 19:34.40 | gnufan | Anyone got an intelligent linkchecker for dpkg ;) |
| 19:34.57 | fragalot | ye, i happen to have one... alway's carry it with me :) |
| 19:35.05 | jengelh | php5 only works with apach2-prefork |
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| 19:35.26 | gnufan | fbn: long story -- the php people believe that Linux threads suck.... |
| 19:35.29 | jengelh | fragalot: hands up :> |
| 19:35.46 | fbn | gnufan: do you have a link where I can read about it? |
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| 19:36.41 | yos87 | supaplex: i did not understand what does dpkg said |
| 19:36.44 | fragalot | :'( bloody error... been breaking my head over it for a week now, haven't found the problem yet.. |
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| 19:37.10 | yos87 | ! what does the error attempt to kill init mean |
| 19:37.55 | Supaplex | !no, kernel panic is are issues presented to the kernel that it cannot handle. See "norootfs" for "missing root filesystem", or check your lilo/grub config. Or if you can replicate a kernel bug only on newer kernels, do regression testing (see Documentation directory in the source) |
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| 19:38.34 | Supaplex | !kernel panic |
| 19:38.35 | dpkg | kernel panic is, like, any issue presented to the kernel that it cannot handle. See "norootfs" for "missing root filesystem", or check your lilo/grub config. Or if you can replicate a kernel bug only on newer kernels, do regression testing (see Documentation directory in the source) |
| 19:38.44 | abrotman | a kernel panic doesn't imply no rootfs |
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| 19:39.01 | Supaplex | not always |
| 19:39.14 | yos87 | Supaplex: me? |
| 19:39.17 | AnisFarhana | why the webserver keep reading apache2-default , i have no idea where the files is located |
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| 19:40.01 | abrotman | /var/www/ |
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| 19:40.55 | jengelh | fragalot |
| 19:40.58 | faster | can i use my d-link router as a hub i ony got two pci slots for two lan cards |
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| 19:41.17 | faster | left in my ipcop pc |
| 19:41.41 | gnufan | fbn: No I don't have a link on the PHP threads issue -- it has been heavily discussed but rarely by anyone who knows anything about Linux threads. |
| 19:41.48 | Dabian | OK. X wont start because the mouse is no longer at /dev/input/mice ... where do I search for it? |
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| 19:42.53 | RvGaTe | AnisFarhana: like abrotman said, these are located in /var/www/, you can change this directory by editing /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 19:42.53 | gnufan | fbn: generally isn't a problem -- pre-fork is okay - and the effort to fork a process under Linux is miniscule -- I think it long descended into FUD and mud slinging |
| 19:42.56 | mzilikazi | Dabian: i use /dev/ps2mouse |
| 19:43.05 | Dabian | mzilikazi : Thanks |
| 19:43.12 | abrotman | Dabian: modprobe mousedev |
| 19:43.16 | faster | sorry! rong channel |
| 19:43.31 | action09 | Dabian have you the modules loaded ? mousedev, psmouse |
| 19:43.33 | action09 | ? |
| 19:43.50 | action09 | Dabian and afaik for linux kernels 2.6 you have to use /dev/input/mice |
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| 19:44.23 | Dabian | action09 : Thats what I use. I might be missing the modules, since I just upgraded the kernel. :-) |
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| 19:45.19 | action09 | ok :) |
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| 19:45.53 | gnufan | fbn: if I remember rightly there is a discussion in the Debian documentation of the php4 apache modules -- /usr/share/doc is your friend.. mostly DD throwing their hands up in disgust at the PHP developers approach to the issue IIRC |
| 19:45.56 | Dabian | action09 : Yuo got it .. /dev/input/mice turned up after "modprobe mousedev" |
| 19:46.02 | action09 | \0/ |
| 19:46.26 | action09 | i was in the same case after an install.. and i serch for hours witj links on forums/ng :) |
| 19:46.41 | Dabian | :o) |
| 19:46.45 | Dabian | Cool |
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| 19:47.04 | fbn | gnufan: thanks |
| 19:47.06 | Dabian | action09, abrotman : Thanks for sparing me for searching for hours with links on forums/ng. |
| 19:47.25 | action09 | lol |
| 19:47.27 | action09 | ;)$ |
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| 19:48.07 | _Brandon_ | i've resolved the problem with dev, but i can't mount the usb device, dmesg says scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
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| 19:48.33 | _Brandon_ | maybe i can't mount because i don't have scsi compiled into kernel? |
| 19:48.52 | fragalot | http://pastebin.com/673962 <- ET error |
| 19:49.03 | valdyn | _Brandon_: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 19:49.18 | _Brandon_ | valdyn: doesen't exist scsi |
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| 19:49.41 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 19:49.41 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 19:49.52 | _Brandon_ | valdyn: i've disabled scsi into kernel because i don't have scsi controller, i tought that usb doesen't use it |
| 19:50.04 | valdyn | _Brandon_: you were wrong |
| 19:50.20 | fragalot | i need a mobile version of dpkg ... :) |
| 19:50.21 | Dabian | _Brandon_ : You can disable scsi-DEVICES .. scsi emulation is used by a load of stuff. |
| 19:50.29 | valdyn | _Brandon_: _everything_ newer than the old ide/atapi/ata drivers uses scsi |
| 19:50.36 | _Brandon_ | ok i'll recompile the kernel |
| 19:50.41 | Dabian | valdyn : Even sata? |
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| 19:50.46 | valdyn | Dabian: yea |
| 19:50.49 | Dabian | Cool |
| 19:51.02 | Dabian | I wonder if SATA is almost as good as SCSI. |
| 19:51.21 | valdyn | Dabian: im only talking about kernel structure here, not hardware |
| 19:51.29 | abrotman | Dabian: i think it depends on the usage |
| 19:51.32 | valdyn | Dabian: i mean, this has nothing to do with the h/w quality |
| 19:51.33 | Dabian | valdyn : I understand that .. |
| 19:51.41 | Dabian | valdyn : I am drifting off topic... soffy |
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| 19:51.45 | Dabian | s/ff/rr/ |
| 19:51.49 | roler | Is there a problem with xscreensaver in testing? It no longer blanks out my screen... And yes, it is set to. |
| 19:52.00 | abrotman | did you turn dpms off? |
| 19:52.21 | Dabian | (Its a wise thing to do) |
| 19:52.28 | roler | abrotman; in the kernel? |
| 19:52.29 | valdyn | Dabian: even if sata was 'as good as scsi' , vendors dont ship appropriate hardware to compare both really |
| 19:52.35 | Supaplex | Dabian: there are many sucky agp video cards that get wiped up off the floor with a stellar pci card. same goes for papa/sata/scsi/etc |
| 19:52.35 | abrotman | roler: in your X config |
| 19:52.50 | abrotman | poor papa |
| 19:52.57 | Evo|Immortal | I am trying to run the command 'apt-get upgrade' but I get an error 'E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)' - What does this mean and how do I fix it? |
| 19:52.59 | Supaplex | er pata :P |
| 19:53.09 | valdyn | Evo|Immortal: run apt-get update |
| 19:53.09 | abrotman | Evo|Immortal: find the real error |
| 19:53.15 | roler | abrotman, ; in there I see this. "Option "DPMS"" that's it... is it supposed to have a true or something? |
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| 19:53.22 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 19:53.23 | dpkg | dpms is probably know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 19:53.29 | Dabian | Supaplex : PCI-e cards > AGP cards, afaik. |
| 19:53.29 | Evo|Immortal | valdyn I have already done apt-get update |
| 19:53.46 | valdyn | Evo|Immortal: paste the complete error then ( not here ) |
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| 19:54.43 | roler | abrotman, ; I will try that but I see "(**) I810(0): DPMS enabled" in my Xorg.0.log |
| 19:54.56 | Dabian | valdyn : Well . . compared to IDE, SCSI is a huge win-win, since you get the controller off the CPU's back .. I don't know if this is the case with SATA .. the problem with SCSI is that its always been a little pricy. |
| 19:55.21 | pzn_ | how do I choose default language for gnome? (debian sarge) |
| 19:55.32 | valdyn | Dabian: uh, you are right but 'ide' is not in use for ages, and ATA does not load the cpu |
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| 19:55.34 | Dabian | pzn_ : apt-get install gdm |
| 19:55.45 | valdyn | Dabian: unfortunately the word 'ide' is still used |
| 19:55.53 | Dabian | valdyn : Oh .. thats new to me, I thought ATA == IDE in this sense. |
| 19:56.14 | Dabian | valdyn : ATA == 80 connectors (UDMA) ? |
| 19:56.32 | valdyn | Dabian: ata is probably ide with dma |
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| 19:56.43 | roler | abrotman, ; crazy. I just ran the xset command and it worked. I think xscreensaver is broken. Do you have a sample on the config file options ServerFlag? |
| 19:56.49 | valdyn | Dabian: 40 or 80 pin connectors.. both is not loading the cpu |
| 19:56.59 | Dabian | valdyn : And it doesn't load the CPU? So its like SCSI in this sense? |
| 19:57.00 | ncore | How do I get SSL support in apache2 (Sarge)? |
| 19:57.05 | gnufan | Dabian: last serious review I looked at the guy said he could by three times as many disks and thus 9 times as much disk space using ATA as compared to SCSI -- so he went and built his NAS devices with ATA devices. As you said "a little pricey", especially decent hardware RAID :( |
| 19:57.05 | valdyn | Dabian: as long as you dont fall back to pio ( which would be what ide was ) |
| 19:57.10 | asg | ncore: install libapache2-mod-ssl |
| 19:57.14 | pzn_ | Dabian, If I choose portuguese in gdm, the login screen(gdm) is in portuguese, but gnome menus are not... |
| 19:57.21 | asg | ncore: oh, wait |
| 19:57.24 | ncore | :) |
| 19:57.27 | asg | ncore: apache2 already comes with that module |
| 19:57.32 | ncore | oh |
| 19:57.35 | valdyn | Dabian: in that sense yea |
| 19:57.50 | valdyn | Dabian: but scsi _controllers_ add features on top of that oto |
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| 19:58.05 | Dabian | pzn_ : Before you log in .. click the "language" button, and choose brazilian or pourtoguese. |
| 19:58.13 | ncore | oh heeze. There are a lot of modules available here. :P Sorry about that |
| 19:58.22 | IceTox_ | Do you guys have a url where all the stable sources are? I need the urls needed in sources.list |
| 19:58.26 | Dabian | valdyn : Well, I don't want 14 harddisks anyhow .. |
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| 19:58.53 | gnufan | ncore: there is a worked example at debian-administration.org I believe |
| 19:59.08 | Dabian | valdyn : What other options do the controllers have? (I been using scsi on my servers for years now for the CPU-reason). |
| 19:59.10 | fragalot | http://pastebin.com/673962 <- anyone... help ? |
| 19:59.11 | Evo|Immortal | valdyn: Errors were encounted while processing: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:59.12 | abrotman | roler: none of my debian boxes here have X |
| 19:59.56 | Dabian | valdyn : s/options/features/ :-) |
| 20:00.23 | valdyn | Dabian: some controllers can reorder disk accesses for speed |
| 20:00.52 | roler | abrotman, ; found it. Thanks man! You deserve to be paid here on this channel, you do your fair share for sure :) |
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| 20:00.56 | asg | IceTox_: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:01.02 | valdyn | Dabian: but really, the big difference is probably the type of hardware that is produced for each interface |
| 20:01.03 | abrotman | roler: don't tell anyone! |
| 20:01.28 | IceTox_ | ty asg |
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| 20:01.32 | asg | roler: don't say that, he'll start getting a big head |
| 20:01.35 | asg | IceTox: you're welcome |
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| 20:01.38 | roler | lol |
| 20:01.45 | abrotman | pay me in beer! |
| 20:01.52 | asg | abrotman: slapping your own thighs eh? |
| 20:01.52 | lepton | fragalot: become root then run the install script, or use sudo |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | asg: erm .. yeah |
| 20:02.13 | Dabian | valdyn : So .. now its the good old "SCSI hardware lasts longer, and the hi-end SCSI beat the hi-end 'everything else' when it comes to speed?" |
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| 20:02.28 | lazzarello | how do I tell the sarge kernel to not use a framebuffer console at boot time? |
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| 20:02.39 | Evo|Immortal | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/673993 any ideas? |
| 20:02.42 | fragalot | lepton, i am root.. |
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| 20:02.46 | Sakkath | Hay is ut2004 any where in apt? |
| 20:02.55 | outlaw84 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.02 | Sakkath | what |
| 20:03.03 | Sakkath | lol |
| 20:03.03 | Unetixs | o_O |
| 20:03.11 | Sakkath | i dont use debian as a primary os, i use gentoo :P |
| 20:03.15 | Sakkath | i have it on vmware, trying it out |
| 20:03.20 | valdyn | Evo|Immortal: you're running sid? this kind of error is quite common in sid |
| 20:03.30 | Dabian | Sakkath : There is a program called q-something. |
| 20:03.36 | valdyn | Evo|Immortal: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/manpages-dev_2.25-2_all.deb |
| 20:03.38 | Sakkath | well i tried apt-cache search |
| 20:03.43 | Sakkath | couldn't find anything |
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| 20:03.57 | Dabian | valdyn : Would you recommend SATA, ATA or SCSI? |
| 20:04.00 | abrotman | Sakkath: no |
| 20:04.04 | Sakkath | Dabian: scsi > * |
| 20:04.23 | outlaw84 | Sakkath: have you added the warez distrubition to your source list :) |
| 20:04.29 | Sakkath | Dabian: SCSI is even faster than SATA RAID, but if you are looking to save money, SATA RAID is a nice solutoin :) |
| 20:04.36 | valdyn | Dabian: if money is no issue at all, scsi, but when is it no issue at all? |
| 20:04.49 | mixter | do i need to do something else than unmount the filesystem before unplugging an usb-stick/usb attached harddrive in linux? |
| 20:04.53 | pzn_ | Dabian, that is what I'm doing. I choose portuguese in gdm. gdm screen turns to portuguese, then I log in and gnome is in english... any hint? |
| 20:05.00 | gnufan | Dabian: actually some of the ATA disks are identical to SCSI except for the controller chips... but generally you can't get the same level of performance from SATA disks -- most are still 7500 rpm, just getting to 10000. Still most people who care about disk performance that much are better off putting memory in the way, rather than spinning thin bits of metal faster and faster |
| 20:05.10 | Sakkath | outlaw84: lol..... xD you see, on the gentoo package it asks you to pop in the CDs and type in the serial key throught he emerge, not warez :| |
| 20:05.12 | lepton | fragalot: some program is segfaulting. your guess is as good as mine |
| 20:05.12 | _Brandon_ | Dabian: what do you mean before with scsi emulation i can't find it in the kernel |
| 20:05.12 | Evo|Immortal | valdyn: unknown command --force-overwrite |
| 20:05.25 | Evo|Immortal | valdyn: nvm typo |
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| 20:05.34 | Sakkath | Dabian: SCSI disks can run at 15K RPM :P |
| 20:05.40 | Dabian | gnufan : Noiselevel is also an issue .. |
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| 20:06.00 | cramm | Hi, does anybody know what the three debian-update-3.1r2-i386-{1,2,3}.jigdo are? the are in the mirrors in addition to the usual 14 CD images |
| 20:06.03 | Evo|Immortal | valdyn so for future reference, when i get this error type the syntax i just did? |
| 20:06.04 | Sakkath | mixter: about the usb stick, well, not that i know of :P |
| 20:06.05 | fragalot | lepton, i've been trying for a week, and still haven't found anything... wich is why i decided to ask here. |
| 20:06.06 | Dabian | Sakkath : Yeah .. expensive SCSI run around ATA when doing speedtests :-) |
| 20:06.24 | mixter | Sakkath: ok! thanks |
| 20:06.28 | valdyn | Dabian: in some classes sata will performe just like scsi, just cheaper |
| 20:06.30 | Sakkath | Dabian: SCSI is the best, but costy :P |
| 20:06.35 | valdyn | Dabian: like mid speed, low noise ) |
| 20:06.44 | Sakkath | mixter: I would think but you might want one more answer :P, worked fine for my usb flash drive :P |
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| 20:07.32 | outlaw84 | I read benchmarks on Tomshardware that stated that SATA is fast the SCSI.... even before SATA-2 was released |
| 20:07.39 | Dabian | valdyn : I am about to buy new harddisk, and I am going for SATA 250-300 GB right now .. (have not decided if I go for 3 HD's in raid 5 yet .. dunno if its going to be hard to install debian if I do) |
| 20:07.54 | lepton | fragalot: your only recourse is to debug the program |
| 20:07.59 | roderyk | I'm trying to debug my wireless again (wpa_supplicant). I'm running wpa_supplicant with debug -ddt and getting: No suitable AP found. (my AP is being skipped: "no WPA/RSN IE". My config has proto=WPA, pairwise=TKIP, group=TKIP, key_mgmt=WPA-PSK. Any ideas where to go from here? |
| 20:08.02 | abrotman | outlaw84: they lied .. badly |
| 20:08.13 | valdyn | Dabian: cannot install debian _on_ software raid5 |
| 20:08.15 | Dabian | valdyn : I wont use another OS, and if I will, it will be in qemu or something. |
| 20:08.16 | roler | I am trying to save the life of my LCD on my laptop by using DPMS to shut off my monitor after at certain amount of time... is there an optimal setting for this? I usually do 5 or 10 minutes, but I was just thinking to myself... What if you do it too often, can you cause strain on the LCD power unit? Or something like that? |
| 20:08.26 | outlaw84 | abrotman: have you made any real tests? |
| 20:08.32 | Dabian | valdyn : Oh .. i am hoping the motherboard will have hardware raid 5. |
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| 20:08.35 | mixter | Sakkath: it works for me too, i just wondered so that i don't mess things up :-) |
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| 20:08.53 | CrocoJet | hi all |
| 20:08.57 | abrotman | outlaw84: it's a no brainer |
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| 20:09.12 | abrotman | SATA-I was 150MB .. SCSI is 320MB |
| 20:09.24 | Trewas | outlaw84: yes, SATA (even SATA1 and SATA2 even more) as an interface is plenty fast enough for any harddrive |
| 20:09.27 | Dabian | valdyn : I am considering ASUS A8N32 Deluxe and/or MSI <something> diamond (also an nforce4 sli x16) |
| 20:09.32 | outlaw84 | I am lots of people like SCSI... Just look where they have put SATA in the kernel :D...... |
| 20:09.38 | CrocoJet | I am trying to make install Debian Etch (weekly-build) |
| 20:09.43 | Dabian | abrotman : I think SCSI is 400+ now? |
| 20:09.55 | CrocoJet | but I dont have internet access, and |
| 20:09.57 | outlaw84 | abrotman: SATA-2 is 300MB |
| 20:09.57 | valdyn | scsi is probably 5mb or 10mb ;) |
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| 20:10.16 | outlaw84 | abrotman: and I get 170MB on my SATA-1 disk |
| 20:10.18 | abrotman | outlaw84: and SCSI is still 320 .. and that's just regular scsi |
| 20:10.22 | CrocoJet | any idea to make install ? |
| 20:10.25 | abrotman | outlaw84: SATA-I is 150MB |
| 20:10.30 | roler | oh well i guess I am paranoid :) |
| 20:10.43 | valdyn | abrotman: youre probably talking about uw scsi2 or whateve |
| 20:10.47 | outlaw84 | abrotman: well hdparm says otherwise |
| 20:10.48 | Trewas | abrotman: and which harddiver is that fast? besides, scsi can have several disks in one bus, while SATA has only one |
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| 20:10.55 | abrotman | valdyn: for 320 ? |
| 20:11.03 | valdyn | abrotman: yea |
| 20:11.06 | Dabian | valdyn : LVD |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | outlaw84: right .. hdparm never lies or does anything bad |
| 20:11.11 | Dabian | !lvd |
| 20:11.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, lvd is Low Voltage Differential |
| 20:11.22 | Dabian | Hmm .. informative .. |
| 20:11.25 | valdyn | abrotman: maybe its even called scsi 320, im not familiar with new scsi specs |
| 20:11.50 | abrotman | and then there is SAS |
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| 20:12.23 | Dabian | valdyn : scsiII uw has been around for more than 5 years. They have a new standard now .. I heard some of the new stuff broke the 400MB .. but I don't know if thats only with striping. |
| 20:12.26 | Unetixs | hey guys, I need a quick hand. I just installed Windows XP over my old 2000 partition, and it hosed my MBR. How do I get GRUB back? I have no boot disks, no installs on me (except for a random Kororaa XGL demo livecd) and can't boot into Debian. |
| 20:12.40 | Trewas | the only benefit SCSI has performance-wise is that there are no 15k rpm SATA-drives, so anyone who needs the best performance must go for scsi |
| 20:12.55 | abrotman | Dabian: SAS is supposed to get 3GB or some crap |
| 20:13.04 | valdyn | Unetixs: kororaa is just fine for this |
| 20:13.07 | Dabian | !windowsmite Unetixs |
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| 20:13.11 | Unetixs | ow |
| 20:13.16 | Dabian | !cluebat Unetixs |
| 20:13.36 | gnufan | Dabian: it'll be with striping, the disks have only just exceeded 70MB/s per disk sustained -- I think over 100MB/s is the best now -- doesn't matter all our applications are limited by blocking writes at work (database and email). |
| 20:13.39 | Unetixs | what do I do, Valdyn? |
| 20:13.41 | abrotman | outlaw84: http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/D2c_scsi_inflection_point.pdf |
| 20:14.04 | abrotman | outlaw84: i doubt sata will catch SCSI in the next 10 years |
| 20:14.12 | valdyn | Unetixs: boot korara, mount your linux root partition, chroot to that partition, run grub-install |
| 20:14.16 | Evo|Immortal | Can someone remind me the command to autoconfigure Xserver |
| 20:14.25 | valdyn | !drxx Evo|Immortal |
| 20:14.26 | dpkg | Evo|Immortal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:14.29 | outlaw84 | abrotman: sorry dude I just broke my X so I can wiev that pdf :( |
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| 20:14.51 | abrotman | outlaw84: oh sure .. fine! |
| 20:15.01 | Dabian | abrotman : SAS seems interesting .. but for now I guess its ok with SATA-II for desktop class computers? |
| 20:15.24 | abrotman | outlaw84: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Attached_SCSI |
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| 20:15.43 | |adrian| | why can`t i run 2 aplications that use sndcard at the same time |
| 20:15.44 | Dabian | gnufan: So even ATA would be fast enough for everything? |
| 20:15.53 | abrotman | outlaw84: for comparison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA |
| 20:16.04 | |adrian| | multimedia ... exp. skype and xmms |
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| 20:16.18 | Dabian | !tell |adrian| about VoIP |
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| 20:16.31 | Dabian | |adrian| : Skype is proprietary! |
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| 20:16.49 | myboxen | well that sucked |
| 20:16.51 | myboxen | :) |
| 20:16.53 | Sakkath | so is ut2004 anywhere in portage? |
| 20:17.01 | gnufan | Dabian: heh most of our boxes are SATA software RAID 1 -- cheapest and dirtiest that are available -- they aren't I/O or CPU constrain -- just costs of bandwidth in the UK that constrains them |
| 20:17.02 | abrotman | wrong channel |
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| 20:17.11 | abrotman | Sakkath: ask #gentoo .. we don't have portage |
| 20:17.20 | Sakkath | Ugh, well, whatever apt is named :-\ |
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| 20:17.25 | Sakkath | s/portage/apt? ;\ |
| 20:17.31 | fstab0r | Hey,c an anyone here find a disadvantage of Fedora? My buddy runs it, and says he likes it, and yum has never failed for him, and he hardly ever uses rpms anyway.... |
| 20:17.32 | Dabian | gnufan : raid 1 == mirroring, right? |
| 20:17.39 | gnufan | Dabian: Yes |
| 20:17.45 | Sakkath | Dabian: yep, and 0 is striping :P |
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| 20:18.11 | abrotman | fstab0r: it's not debian? |
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| 20:18.17 | Dabian | Sakkath : What is 0+1 ? How can you both mirror and stipe? |
| 20:18.22 | fstab0r | abrotman: err... |
| 20:18.22 | Dabian | s/tip/trip/ |
| 20:18.34 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 20:18.34 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 20:18.39 | Sakkath | Dabian: I wondered the same :P |
| 20:18.41 | gnufan | fstab0r: hardly ever uses RPMs -- ask why not - and doesn't that make life hard? |
| 20:18.52 | XR | whats the URl for yahoo chat |
| 20:18.53 | valdyn | fstab0r: self compiling things _does_ make life hard |
| 20:18.56 | _Brandon_ | how is named sd_mod into the kernel? |
| 20:19.04 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: ? |
| 20:19.12 | Evo|Immortal | I cant get xserver working manually how do i run the autoconfig that runs on a fresh debian install? |
| 20:19.13 | _Brandon_ | Sakkath: i mean in make menuconfig |
| 20:19.15 | valdyn | !confuse _Brandon_ |
| 20:19.15 | dpkg | No, them are their pineapple tomorrow, _Brandon_? breeches of the monarchy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 20:19.24 | Unetixs | can anyone help me unfux my MBR so I can be cool again? |
| 20:19.26 | fstab0r | Hey, I have an old debian system, is there any way to clear all unneeded files, and clean up bits of left programs that have been dleeted in the past?? |
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| 20:19.32 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: it's under SCSI |
| 20:19.37 | Flynth | my first distro of linux was redhat 5.2 i sticked to it for few years but when i was shown apt-get i loved it instantly :) |
| 20:19.45 | bloom | fstab0r: use deborphan |
| 20:19.46 | Sakkath | abrotman: so is ut2004 in apt anywhere? |
| 20:19.49 | valdyn | fstab0r: stuff that you installed manually without apt-get ? |
| 20:19.50 | Flynth | and switched to debian |
| 20:19.56 | Sakkath | bah ill just mount the cdrom :\ |
| 20:19.56 | abrotman | Sakkath: i said no .. about 15 minutes ago |
| 20:19.59 | fstab0r | valdyn: with apt |
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| 20:20.02 | _Brandon_ | Sakkath: yes i know but there is a lot of things in scsi |
| 20:20.04 | XR | i ahve a ? can DAM small lINUX handel a tv tuner in ram |
| 20:20.07 | valdyn | fstab0r: apt-get remove <package> |
| 20:20.17 | bloom | fstab0r: sorry I meant debfoster |
| 20:20.21 | fstab0r | valdyn: some folders like user preferences always get left behind |
| 20:20.31 | valdyn | fstab0r: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 20:20.31 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: well use the help :) |
| 20:20.47 | jetscreamer | !folder |
| 20:20.47 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 20:20.50 | fstab0r | valdyn: then anything that has to do with that package will be gone? |
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| 20:20.58 | valdyn | fstab0r: yes |
| 20:21.02 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: I dont even know how to get into the debian kernel config :P, if only my gentoo laptop didn't break I'd be able to help you :P |
| 20:21.24 | fstab0r | valdyn: with apt-get remove --purge get rid of everything, or do I have to run both that, and apt-get remove? |
| 20:21.40 | valdyn | fstab0r: only the first |
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| 20:21.47 | fstab0r | valdyn: ok, thx |
| 20:21.59 | _Brandon_ | Sakkath: well just like all linux with make menuconfig :) i'll try with the help :P |
| 20:22.08 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: I dont know where the sources are though |
| 20:22.10 | fstab0r | valdyn: I dont see why apt-get remove wouldnt automatically purge it :/ |
| 20:22.13 | valdyn | fstab0r: or you run dpkg -l | grep ^rc and dpkg --purge on each package that shows up |
| 20:22.17 | XR | i need some help my hard drive die and im waiting for new 1 what the URl i need add to gaime to chat on msn |
| 20:22.24 | valdyn | fstab0r: to remove config files of already removed packages |
| 20:22.33 | XR | can spome 1 help me |
| 20:22.39 | XR | pleas |
| 20:23.08 | _Brandon_ | Sakkath: you can get with apt-get and you'll find it in /usr/src :) |
| 20:23.16 | XR | any 1 thear |
| 20:23.26 | fstab0r | XR: it automatically can use msn |
| 20:23.30 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: what about for the kernel that comes with the install? |
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| 20:23.37 | XR | im ona old copy |
| 20:23.39 | Evo|Immortal | How do you re-run the original 'Welcome to Debian' Autoconfigurator that runs with a new debian install? |
| 20:23.47 | fstab0r | XR: apt-get install gaim |
| 20:23.50 | valdyn | fstab0r: or all in one: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 20:23.57 | XR | im runing form ram |
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| 20:24.04 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: well what's the souces package name |
| 20:24.04 | fstab0r | valdyn: That's complicated O.O |
| 20:24.08 | abrotman | !dsl |
| 20:24.08 | dpkg | [dsl] Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 20:24.12 | fstab0r | !windows |
| 20:24.13 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 20:24.13 | XR | KNOPIX |
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| 20:24.17 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 20:24.17 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. don't forget to ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 20:24.22 | miki2 | when im starting my new compiled kernel it shows this: 'Starting the hotplug evens dispatcher: udevd' and then it stops without any error, but in 'menuconfig' i cant acess any hotplug options... any help |
| 20:24.22 | XR | STD |
| 20:24.23 | abrotman | !tell XR about based on debian |
| 20:24.24 | Dabian | btw. I cannot get my mouse working. "cat /dev/input/mice" doesn't seem to care about me moving and/or clicking the mouse. Any ideas? I am on Linux 2.6.16-1-686-smp |
| 20:24.30 | Dabian | 2.6.16-1-686-smp |
| 20:24.32 | abrotman | XR: your questions are not related to debian .. go away |
| 20:24.36 | fstab0r | !kanotix |
| 20:24.37 | dpkg | from memory, kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian> |
| 20:24.37 | valdyn | Dabian: which type of mouse? |
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| 20:24.52 | Dabian | valdyn : It used to work. Its a mx700! |
| 20:24.55 | Dabian | (IIRC) |
| 20:25.01 | Dabian | Yup |
| 20:25.04 | valdyn | Dabian: which interface is it plugged in to? |
| 20:25.06 | _Brandon_ | Sakkath: linux-source-2.6.X |
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| 20:25.10 | Dabian | valdyn : USB. |
| 20:25.11 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: thanks |
| 20:25.17 | valdyn | !usb mouse |
| 20:25.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 20:25.20 | Dabian | valdyn : lsusb doesn't show it. |
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| 20:25.25 | Evo|Immortal | anyone know :x |
| 20:25.26 | valdyn | !usbmouse |
| 20:25.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 20:25.45 | adrian_kx | can i have 2 sound servers managing the device? |
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| 20:26.31 | valdyn | !usb |
| 20:26.31 | dpkg | i guess usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 20:26.32 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: what's the newest sources for x86 i should get :\ apt-cache search linux-source doesn't show me anything |
| 20:26.48 | gnufan | Downloading DFS at work -- as I decided using the first Ubuntu LiveCd as my rescue CD was getting dated fast. Anyone tried the new versions, and is it "on topic" here?! |
| 20:26.52 | fstab0r | !debian |
| 20:26.52 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:27.33 | fstab0r | !dpkg |
| 20:27.33 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also ... |
| 20:27.39 | jetscreamer | it's kernel-source in sarge |
| 20:27.45 | _Brandon_ | Sakkath: linux-source-2.6.16 for all architecture |
| 20:27.48 | jetscreamer | linux-source in sid and etch |
| 20:27.53 | abrotman | !tell fstab0r about msg the bot |
| 20:27.58 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: ok :) |
| 20:28.02 | jetscreamer | - |
| 20:28.13 | _Brandon_ | yes kernel-source it's for older kernel :P |
| 20:28.17 | fstab0r | !slap abrotman |
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| 20:28.47 | Sakkath | _Brandon_: earlier I ran apt-get update, and now i did apt-get install inux-source-2.6.16, couldn't find it? god I'm new to debian i don't know how to atp correctly :P |
| 20:29.04 | valdyn | Sakkath: why do you want to change your kernel? |
| 20:29.40 | Sakkath | valdyn: I don't, I just want the sources tree to I can locate something for _Brandon_ :P |
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| 20:30.06 | Evo|Immortal | How do I rerun the original config that runs when you finish a fresh debian isntall? |
| 20:30.22 | abrotman | base-config ? |
| 20:30.22 | valdyn | Sakkath: ok, you're probably running sarge, _Brandon_ is probably running sid, sid has bleeding edge stuff including kernels, sarge does not |
| 20:30.35 | Bac0n | mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.4.32 2.4.32 |
| 20:30.35 | Bac0n | /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:30.38 | Sakkath | valdyn: well what ever came from the CD :D |
| 20:30.44 | fstab0r | Is apt-get old, and unmaintained?? |
| 20:30.51 | valdyn | Sakkath: for this purpose you can get the package at packages.debian.org for this purpose |
| 20:30.53 | jetscreamer | not really |
| 20:31.02 | fstab0r | Someone in #fedora is telling me that |
| 20:31.02 | miki2 | when im starting my new compiled kernel it shows this: 'Starting the hotplug evens dispatcher: udevd' and then it stops without any error... help me :O |
| 20:31.08 | Bac0n | i think that happend after i updated to day |
| 20:31.11 | abrotman | fstab0r: stop trolling |
| 20:31.13 | Sakkath | valdyn: alright, thank you. |
| 20:31.13 | valdyn | Sakkath: but i wouldnt mix sid with sarge beyond something like that |
| 20:31.17 | gnufan | valdyn: dpkg knows about recent sarge kernels |
| 20:31.24 | fstab0r | abrotman: I'm not, you are, evidently |
| 20:31.28 | Sakkath | valdyn: i was just going to menuconfig to find something :P but ok |
| 20:31.31 | valdyn | gnufan: not what he wants really |
| 20:31.37 | jetscreamer | fstab0r: they have apt-get for fedora and many other distros |
| 20:31.39 | abrotman | fstab0r: not really .. if you want to know if it's unmaintained .. go look for new releases |
| 20:31.42 | Dabian | valdyn : Uhm .. I use udev, btw. (In unstable) |
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| 20:31.50 | Bac0n | ++ LD_LIBRARY_PATH= |
| 20:31.51 | Bac0n | ++ LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4 |
| 20:31.51 | Bac0n | ++ ldd /sbin/modprobe |
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| 20:31.52 | jetscreamer | they 'probably' mean for fedora |
| 20:32.05 | fstab0r | abrotman: im on sarge, I did apt-get install mozilla-firefox, and I got a damn (old) 0.8 version |
| 20:32.18 | jetscreamer | !tell fstab0r -about backports |
| 20:32.26 | valdyn | Dabian: if your mouse does not show in lsusb, then this is an USB issue before it has anything to do with your mouse specifically, either your usb mouse is broken or your usb is broken or you have no driver loaded for your usb controller |
| 20:32.29 | mars | hi |
| 20:32.41 | abrotman | fstab0r: sarge doesn't have that version |
| 20:32.49 | mars | anyone can help me? |
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| 20:32.58 | Sakkath | valdyn: what would be the package name tos earch? |
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| 20:33.00 | valdyn | Dabian: uh, or you have legacy mouse support selected in your bios, probably |
| 20:33.03 | Bac0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.04 | abrotman | mars: just ask |
| 20:33.05 | Sakkath | s/tos earch/to search |
| 20:33.07 | fstab0r | So I should download all these extra programs to get debian to run new packages? not trolling, but you see where im coming from, right? |
| 20:33.12 | valdyn | Sakkath: linux-image |
| 20:33.20 | Sakkath | valdyn: k |
| 20:33.21 | valdyn | Sakkath: ops, sorry, linux-source |
| 20:33.21 | mars | i was buy a dedicated server |
| 20:33.31 | mars | i want sell shells |
| 20:33.39 | mars | it's debian |
| 20:33.41 | gnufan | !tell mars about enter |
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| 20:33.49 | valdyn | mars: why would anyone buy a shell? |
| 20:33.56 | fstab0r | freeshells.org |
| 20:34.01 | abrotman | fstab0r: sarge does not have FF0.8 |
| 20:34.04 | mars | no |
| 20:34.07 | nse | buying a shell? |
| 20:34.08 | Dabian | valdyn : Ahh .. that might be it! I have just loaded "bios defaults" in my BIOS. |
| 20:34.11 | fstab0r | abrotman: what does it have? |
| 20:34.14 | mars | i need help to configure my dedicated server |
| 20:34.17 | jetscreamer | fstab0r: etch makes a better desktop imo, and stable for a server |
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| 20:34.30 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 20:34.32 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 20:34.34 | mars | something about inetd, bind, and so on. |
| 20:34.38 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 8681 kB, Installed size: 24392 kB |
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| 20:34.43 | abrotman | which is actually .. 1.0.7 or something |
| 20:34.45 | aargh | hey how do you determine the type of filesystem you have in a usb storage device? |
| 20:34.45 | mars | anyone can help me? |
| 20:34.50 | fstab0r | even older, lol |
| 20:35.01 | jetscreamer | !tell mars -about ask |
| 20:35.03 | abrotman | fstab0r: how is 1.0.7 older than 0.8 ? |
| 20:35.17 | gnufan | aargh: try mounting it - that usually works |
| 20:35.18 | jetscreamer | aka, just ask |
| 20:35.19 | fstab0r | abrot: I was reffering to 1.0.8, which is called 0.8 |
| 20:35.25 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 20:35.28 | abrotman | !moron fstab0r |
| 20:35.28 | fstab0r | yes, it is |
| 20:35.29 | dpkg | fstab0r: You are moron #20 |
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| 20:35.33 | aargh | gnufan: yeah i can mount it but i wanna know if it is ntfs or fat32 |
| 20:35.36 | jetscreamer | ff sucks anyway |
| 20:35.42 | fstab0r | abrot, it is you moron, go to the mozilla channel and say it's not |
| 20:35.45 | jetscreamer | !lart ff |
| 20:35.55 | abrotman | fstab0r: you tell them .. 0.8 was released long before 1.0.7 |
| 20:35.57 | mars | i have to mail ? |
| 20:35.57 | aargh | gnufan: for whatever reason, certain filenames don't transfer correctly onto it |
| 20:35.59 | fstab0r | !moron abrotman |
| 20:35.59 | dpkg | abrotman: You are moron #30 |
| 20:36.04 | abrotman | and for that matter THERE WAS NO 1.0.8 |
| 20:36.04 | Dabian | valdyn : Thanks |
| 20:36.04 | mars | anyone can answer me? |
| 20:36.09 | Dabian | !moron dpkg |
| 20:36.09 | dpkg | dpkg: You are moron #28 |
| 20:36.14 | aargh | mars: what's your question? |
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| 20:36.16 | jetscreamer | mars: ask your question, and give good backgrond info |
| 20:36.24 | jetscreamer | background |
| 20:36.31 | abrotman | fstab0r: if you don't like debian .. go use something else |
| 20:36.48 | mars | i need help to configure a dedicated server. can anyone help me? |
| 20:36.49 | myboxen | mars: if someone is capable of answering your question they will answer. You do not need to ask continually for help. |
| 20:36.49 | fstab0r | abrotman: It's people like you that keep some people from experimenting with linux |
| 20:36.52 | jetscreamer | maybe he's using woody |
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| 20:37.02 | abrotman | fstab0r: no .. i help people all day long .. |
| 20:37.11 | miki2 | fstab0r: u didnt saw annoying person then |
| 20:37.12 | jetscreamer | mars: you should probably ask a more specific question |
| 20:37.24 | fstab0r | abrotman: no, you critisize people, and if you want to argue with me some more, use whisper, thx |
| 20:37.29 | aargh | mars: ask a specific question please |
| 20:37.34 | Dabian | OK .. I need a reboot to enable my mouse. |
| 20:37.42 | jetscreamer | no you don' |
| 20:37.42 | jetscreamer | t |
| 20:37.45 | mars | i need help to install inetd and bind on debian. Anyone can help me? |
| 20:37.51 | aargh | Dabian: probably restart x should do it |
| 20:38.00 | valdyn | mars: apt-get install netkit-inetd bind9 |
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| 20:38.00 | jengelh | apt-get install xinetd bind9 |
| 20:38.02 | roler | Ok... so DPMS Monitor Powersaving works. I can set it in xorg.conf and it works on the login screen. When I log in with my username, it will NOT work. (Timeout was set to 1 minute). WHen I run xset, it works. So this tells me something is resetting my monitor turn off time when I log in. I am not using xscreensaver anymore, so that can't be it.. Can anyone help?? |
| 20:38.02 | Dabian | fstab0r : If you don't like debian, there is always the "/part #debian You all suck!" command. |
| 20:38.03 | jengelh | hah! |
| 20:38.05 | jetscreamer | mars: apt-get install bind9 |
| 20:38.08 | Sakkath | valdyn: packages.debian.org and apt-cache search shows nothing for linux-source :-\ |
| 20:38.12 | jetscreamer | err what jengelh said |
| 20:38.15 | aargh | mars: where are you in the install process? do you have a command prompt? |
| 20:38.19 | abrotman | fstab0r: ok .. so what is your question then? |
| 20:38.19 | valdyn | Sakkath: sec |
| 20:38.25 | mars | SSH |
| 20:38.28 | Dabian | OK .. I need a reboot to enable my mouse. |
| 20:38.34 | valdyn | Sakkath: you need to pick the unstable distro.. |
| 20:38.36 | aargh | mars: do you have root access? |
| 20:38.40 | wolf12 | aargh ? What about fdisk -l /dev/xxx ?? It tells you a lot ... |
| 20:38.40 | abrotman | Dabian: put mousedev in /etc/modules |
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| 20:38.42 | Sakkath | valdyn: i see, thanks |
| 20:38.46 | mars | yes i have |
| 20:38.49 | Dabian | abrotman : nice idea |
| 20:38.50 | aargh | wolf12: thanks lemme check it out |
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| 20:38.58 | abrotman | !stab fstab0r |
| 20:38.59 | miki2 | when im starting my new compiled kernel it shows this: 'Starting the hotplug evens dispatcher: udevd' and then it stops without any error. Is there any more info i can get related to this thing? |
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| 20:39.02 | fstab0r | lol |
| 20:39.02 | Dabian | abrotman : Btw. Did you solve your problem with the "<>" key? |
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| 20:39.16 | Dabian | !cluebat fstab0r |
| 20:39.17 | valdyn | Sakkath: 2.6.15 is in testing, not unstable ( that would be 2.6.16 now ) |
| 20:39.17 | gnufan | Dabian: reboot for a mouse -- this isn't Windows 2000 -- 'modprobe mousedev' |
| 20:39.36 | abrotman | Dabian: i don't have an <> key .. it was something with the X keymap .. and not being able to get to the console .. i think there was some wacky option in the X conf that fixed it |
| 20:39.40 | fstab0r | !flick dabian |
| 20:39.42 | Dabian | gnufan : I am not on LinuxBIOS unfortunately. |
| 20:39.45 | fstab0r | !sad |
| 20:39.46 | dpkg | sad is probably this channel most of the time, or that feeling you get when your hd dies |
| 20:39.54 | mars | <valdyn> mars: apt-get install netkit-inetd bind9 |
| 20:39.55 | Dabian | abrotman : Kewl |
| 20:39.57 | mars | or |
| 20:40.08 | jetscreamer | roler: that's an easy one, but i don't remember it :( |
| 20:40.19 | abrotman | Dabian: if you ask me when i'm at home on my laptop .. i can tell you what it is |
| 20:40.25 | fstab0r | !flame dabian |
| 20:40.26 | dpkg | dabian: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 20:40.31 | roler | jetscreamer, ; hmm |
| 20:40.36 | Dabian | !slap fstab0r |
| 20:40.43 | fstab0r | !cry dabian |
| 20:40.48 | fstab0r | !sad |
| 20:40.48 | dpkg | it has been said that sad is this channel most of the time, or that feeling you get when your hd dies |
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| 20:40.51 | abrotman | oh ffs .. stop with the stupid bot |
| 20:40.56 | fstab0r | =( |
| 20:40.57 | jetscreamer | i think you echo something to /proc |
| 20:40.59 | Dabian | ok .. I better part before this evolves. |
| 20:41.02 | disposable | abrotman: if i got banned from this channel, how long does it take to wear off? |
| 20:41.10 | abrotman | disposable: depends on the offense |
| 20:41.12 | fstab0r | until you restart your modem |
| 20:41.15 | jetscreamer | disposable: till somebody takes it off iirc |
| 20:41.17 | Dabian | disposable : The 5 minutes it takes to get a new hose. |
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| 20:41.24 | tuvwx | i'm trying to enable the composite extension for X (testing's 6.9). i modified xorg.conf according to http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ExaStatus. now xdpyinfo does not list Composite although Xorg.log has "(II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE".. what am i missing here? |
| 20:41.26 | abrotman | fstab0r: that's ban evasion .. and reason to get permabanned |
| 20:41.27 | Dabian | disposable : Then you get banned again. |
| 20:41.30 | fstab0r | yay for static IP |
| 20:41.32 | aargh | wolf12: i get capacity, but not filesystem.. but /proc/mounts shows the filesystem as vfat |
| 20:41.47 | Evo|Immortal | Okay so apparently my mouse isnt at /dev/input/mice so then whree is it? How can I find out |
| 20:41.49 | abrotman | disposable: sometimes 10 minutes .. sometimes two weeks |
| 20:41.50 | aargh | wolf12, gnufan: thanks for the help |
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| 20:42.06 | valdyn | tuvwx: 'xdpyinfo | grep -i composite' |
| 20:42.07 | Dabian | disposable : Sometimes it doesn't wear off. |
| 20:42.07 | disposable | can somebody please unban me? it's not funny anymore @host-87-74-126-41.bulldogdsl.com thank you |
| 20:42.21 | Dabian | disposable : Banevader! |
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| 20:42.27 | disposable | it's been 25 hours now |
| 20:42.29 | abrotman | disposable: who banned you and why? |
| 20:42.30 | Dabian | !ops disposable is banevading |
| 20:42.30 | fstab0r | If you have a proxy you can probably get an OP to gline canada... |
| 20:42.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: disposable is banevading |
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| 20:42.40 | tuvwx | valdyn, nothint :( |
| 20:42.41 | [lain] | hi |
| 20:42.43 | tuvwx | valdyn, nothing :( |
| 20:42.51 | abrotman | disposable: you'll have to ask mentor to unban you .. i don't recall why you were banned |
| 20:42.51 | fstab0r | !ops Dabian is beinggay |
| 20:42.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Dabian is beinggay |
| 20:43.02 | abrotman | fstab0r: STOP |
| 20:43.02 | *** mode/#debian [+b %fstab0r!*@*] by LoRez |
| 20:43.08 | gnufan | !tell fstab0r about gay |
| 20:43.10 | abrotman | !beer LoRez |
| 20:43.16 | disposable | abrotman: mentor simply because i asked about wipoing wtmp |
| 20:43.17 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
| 20:43.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@blackhole.sk] by LoRez |
| 20:43.30 | aargh | i love the optimator!!! |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | disposable: because you were cracking machines and asking us for help |
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| 20:44.12 | jetscreamer | dpkg has beer mixed up with wine |
| 20:44.15 | Evo|Immortal | can someone tell me how I can find out what to put for my mouse loc if its not /dev/input/mice |
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| 20:44.19 | Uber | hey |
| 20:44.22 | abrotman | Evo|Immortal: modprobe mousedev |
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| 20:44.35 | gnufan | abrotman: we should ban him for not RTFM on how to evade tripwire ;) |
| 20:44.47 | jetscreamer | Evo|Immortal: if you mean in xorg.conf, /dev/psaux is the alt |
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| 20:45.04 | test3084 | http://www.ilove-movies.com/main.html http://cool-porn.biz/welivetogether/galleries/dyke1010/vp.html |
| 20:45.04 | test363 | http://www.ilove-movies.com/main.html http://cool-porn.biz/welivetogether/galleries/dyke1010/vp.html |
| 20:45.06 | test6905 | http://www.ilove-movies.com/main.html http://cool-porn.biz/welivetogether/galleries/dyke1010/vp.html |
| 20:45.06 | test2438 | http://www.ilove-movies.com/main.html http://cool-porn.biz/welivetogether/galleries/dyke1010/vp.html |
| 20:45.06 | test363 | http://www.ilove-movies.com/main.html http://cool-porn.biz/welivetogether/galleries/dyke1010/vp.html |
| 20:45.11 | Dabian | Thanks .. |
| 20:45.14 | abrotman | gnufan: he was like "Let's say this is my network .. how do i erase my own records" |
| 20:45.16 | pixolet | that works, too |
| 20:45.17 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 20:45.24 | wolf12 | aargh ? |
| 20:45.29 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro++ |
| 20:45.30 | aargh | wolf12: ? |
| 20:45.40 | Uber | im looking for a 54mbit IEEE 802.11g USB device that has full linux support, anyone know/have any??? |
| 20:45.44 | wolf12 | aargh ? fsck /dev/hda1 -N -V Try this one |
| 20:45.46 | Dabian | jetscreamer : Ithink you need to prefix with exclamation mark. |
| 20:45.53 | jetscreamer | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 20:45.56 | jetscreamer | okie :) |
| 20:45.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b test*!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:45.58 | valdyn | Uber: www.tuxhardware.com ( or .de ) |
| 20:45.59 | aargh | wolf12: /proc/mounts showed it |
| 20:46.03 | outlaw84 | wow nice domain :) cool-porn.biz haha |
| 20:46.03 | mond0 | why can't i compile stuff on this new Debian box? i just did an apt-get install gcc, but my test.c bombs out: sys/types.h: No such file or directory; unistd.h: No such file or directory; grp.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:46.10 | abrotman | Uber: ask #wireless .. but prism54.org and madwifi.sf.net .. depends on what you mean by "free" .. also linux-wlan.org or something like that |
| 20:46.11 | valdyn | Uber: but dont buy there, they're expensive ;) |
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| 20:46.17 | wolf12 | ok |
| 20:46.23 | jetscreamer | mond0: maybe apt-get install build-essential |
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| 20:46.27 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 20:46.27 | [lain] | Uber: i have a USB device Wi-FI |
| 20:46.28 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:47.12 | wolf12 | aargh, I tought you needet to know _unmounted_ filesystems |
| 20:47.18 | Uber | valdyn, abrotman, thx :) |
| 20:47.26 | anabain | mond0, I had the same problem as you |
| 20:47.52 | anabain | are you using a custom kernel, mond0 ? |
| 20:48.01 | aargh | wolf12: yeah sorry.. i don't think i made myself very clear there |
| 20:49.10 | maxxle | Hi! i've here a dm-crypted partition. How can i find out which Filesystem I used on it? |
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| 20:49.12 | valdyn | maxxle: try to mount it |
| 20:49.12 | maxxle | valdyn: Oh! It is mounted |
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| 20:49.14 | valdyn | maxxle: oo |
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| 20:49.27 | Uber | <[lain]>, that you can use with linux no ndiswrapper ?? |
| 20:49.48 | anabain | mond0, try reinstalling libc6-dev |
| 20:49.49 | maxxle | valdyn: ok - forget about this stupid question. Maybe i should activate my brain before asking such stupid questions. |
| 20:49.54 | Ecnassianer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.04 | tuvwx | why wouldn't X's composite extension work with X.org 6.9? |
| 20:50.07 | aargh | wolf12: i got a 6gb pocket usb drive from seagate and it rocks but i needed to know the filesystem type because some longfilenames were getting screwed up |
| 20:50.17 | abrotman | Ecnassianer: man wget ? |
| 20:50.28 | Ecnassianer | wget takes regex? |
| 20:50.30 | Ecnassianer | nice. |
| 20:50.47 | gnufan | aargh: when it is mounted what does "mount" show? |
| 20:50.55 | aargh | gnufan: that its vfat |
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| 20:50.57 | roler | abrotman, ; do you have an idea on what could be resetting my dpms off timeout? |
| 20:51.08 | abrotman | roler: resetting? |
| 20:51.16 | wolf12 | aargh, so your problem of getting the type of filesystem is solved, isn`t it ? |
| 20:51.17 | abrotman | roler: do you want DPMS off or on? |
| 20:51.27 | aargh | wolf12: yes, thanks |
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| 20:52.03 | valdyn | Uber: i think you want ralink or atheros chipset wlan card, not sure if atheros exists for usb |
| 20:52.39 | iloadmine | ne1 can help me out w/ a question |
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| 20:53.13 | valdyn | Uber: ops: "USB is not supported by madwifi atm" |
| 20:53.19 | mr_clark | iloadmine, ask the question. See if somebody answers. Don't ask for permission to ask. |
| 20:53.25 | iter | Ecnassianer: there is a nice firefox extension to do that too |
| 20:53.37 | Ecnassianer | iter: Have a name? |
| 20:53.41 | iter | mmm |
| 20:53.44 | iter | sec |
| 20:53.48 | tuvwx | flashgot? |
| 20:54.00 | [lain] | Uber: i use ndiswrapper |
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| 20:54.26 | iter | flashgot yep |
| 20:54.31 | Supaplex | !tell iloadmine -about ask |
| 20:54.36 | falco_toadfoot | modutils won't install |
| 20:54.40 | [lain] | i can't find driver for d-lynk :( ehm.....i don't remember the model :P |
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| 20:54.49 | abrotman | the model is important |
| 20:54.57 | falco_toadfoot | apt complains that it is trying to overwrite a file that is already in manpages-dev-package |
| 20:54.58 | apt | falco_toadfoot: what are you talking about? |
| 20:54.59 | maxxle | I'm setting up a new dm-crypted partition. The Tutorial tells me this: "Note: you do *not* want journalling, or else writes will have to be encrypted twice (once to journal and once when committing journal to final resting place". Will this mean i loose ALL the magical stuff that makes ext3 to ext3 and not to ext2? |
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| 20:55.10 | iloadmine | i have ubuntu and im using eth0 for every thing its my on-board nic I would like to use a nic card i just add to my PC for a thin client but when I try to active it its takes a long time to do anything ant suggestions |
| 20:55.24 | falco_toadfoot | apt: Unpacking modutils (from .../modutils_2.4.27.0-5_i386.deb) ... |
| 20:55.25 | falco_toadfoot | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/modutils_2.4.27.0-5_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 20:55.26 | valdyn | maxxle: not exactly, i think ext3 can use meta journaling too |
| 20:55.27 | falco_toadfoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.28 | wolf12 | aargh, do you try to store longfilenames on DOS-FS.... Or is it more diffucult ? |
| 20:55.29 | roler | abrotman, ;DPMS is on. I want it on. This is what happens. I am setting the off timeout via xorg.conf. I verified /var/log/Xorg.0.log. DPMS is Enabled, and my timeout of 1 minute (for testing purposes) is set. If I let the computer idle for one minute at the login screen, it does blank the screen. When I log in, however, the blanking does not work. When I run xset dpms, I can enable blanking again. When I log in as another user, |
| 20:55.29 | roler | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.29 | Supaplex | maxxle: ext2 has no journal |
| 20:55.32 | vhuren | how do I make it so that *.myprivate.computer or whatever i have will resolve to the ip of myprivate.computer |
| 20:55.38 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, use metadata journalling only then |
| 20:55.47 | valdyn | maxxle: but you *may* have to activate that explicitely, some other fs support meta data journaling |
| 20:55.54 | abrotman | roler: using kde or gnome ? |
| 20:55.59 | roler | abrotman, gnome |
| 20:56.03 | maxxle | What about reiserfs? |
| 20:56.08 | valdyn | maxxle: meta |
| 20:56.10 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, it means that files may be broken when you turn off the box in a bad moment, but the FS as such will be fine |
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| 20:56.11 | abrotman | roler: did you check the gnome screen saver config or the power settings? |
| 20:56.12 | Supaplex | !start a fs war |
| 20:56.13 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 20:56.18 | aargh | wolf12: actually the longfilenames do work, i was using rdiff-backup to sync and backup some files but it apparently screws up the filenames when transferring to a vfat system, unison2.9.1 does a good job |
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| 20:56.26 | valdyn | maxxle: that still is extra 'work' but probably much less |
| 20:56.44 | iter | maxxle: have you thought about using truecrypt? |
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| 20:56.51 | iter | www.truecrypt.org |
| 20:57.04 | maxxle | iter: no |
| 20:57.21 | roler | abrotman, ; the gnome screen saver config does not have anything in regards to power management. I ran the 'Configuration Editor' and found the gnome-screen saver section which DOES have dpms options. I enabled them with no luck, so I turned them back off. |
| 20:57.27 | outlaw84 | I have been having problems with my xorg... I cant get it to run since the dist-upgrade I did earlier today... it says "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'" what should I do? |
| 20:57.34 | maxxle | So you mean reiserfs will be much faster in this configuration then ext3 with enabled journaling? |
| 20:57.43 | valdyn | outlaw84: apt-get install xfonts-base? |
| 20:57.44 | abrotman | outlaw84: xfonts-base installed ? |
| 20:57.46 | mond0 | jetstreamer, "apt-get install build-essential" yields "Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-22_i386.deb 404 Not Found" and "E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?" |
| 20:57.51 | Supaplex | GyrosGeier: well yea, if you use initrd (maybe w/o, but can't say) |
| 20:57.59 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, reiserfs does metadata journal only by default |
| 20:57.59 | valdyn | outlaw84: or just 'apt-get install xorg' |
| 20:58.02 | abrotman | roler: that's all i can think of for what might be overriding it |
| 20:58.04 | wolf12 | aargh, I got similar problems when crossing Filesystems, on HD or using NFS or SMB .... So I take a TAR-Archiv and leave the stuff antouched |
| 20:58.06 | roler | abrotman, ; I don't know where else to adjust power settings. the reason I was using xscreensaver in the past instead of gnome-scsreensaver is because xscreensaver has power management options. It quit working. Obviously I know something is resetting it now... |
| 20:58.20 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, which is why it "won" all those performance comparisons against ext3 |
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| 20:58.28 | maxxle | GyrosGeier: I think so I will switch to reiser. Sounds good for the thing I need it. |
| 20:58.40 | mond0 | anabain, uname -a output: "Linux gforge 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux" |
| 20:58.41 | aargh | wolf12: that's a good idea too but i'd rather do sync-ing and an active backup system than the tar archives |
| 20:58.47 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, with the same flags it is roughly the same speed, but loses as files get bigger |
| 20:58.52 | valdyn | uh, iirc ext3 _can_ use metadata journaling |
| 20:58.59 | maxxle | GyrosGeier: Never had any performance problems without encryption. But my encrypted ext3 is really slow. |
| 20:59.07 | roler | abrotman, ; what config files are there that run on startup? Like in windows i'd check the startup group, registry startup area (msconfig), and autoexec.bat... I'm not 100% familiar with linux/gnome startup files... Maybe you don't know though since you don't run X on your boxens |
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| 20:59.10 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, you really want ext3 with metadata only |
| 20:59.14 | ncore | I can't seem to get the same site hosted by apache2 using both HTTP and HTTPS. Any ideas? |
| 20:59.15 | wolf12 | arrgh rsync rocks, thats right ;-) |
| 20:59.27 | outlaw84 | valdyn: I am downloading the xfonts now... xserver-xorg is broken for my arch so I could only install xserver-xorg-core |
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| 20:59.30 | gnufan | tell iloadmine about bod |
| 20:59.32 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, reiserfs without data journal can break in funny ways that reiserfsck will not fix |
| 20:59.35 | iter | unison > rsync |
| 20:59.41 | gnufan | !tell iloadmine about bod |
| 20:59.58 | gnufan | !tell iloadmine about based on debian |
| 21:00.09 | maxxle | GyrosGeier: Ah.. I thought i could use reiserfs for dm-crypt and that is fast although I get journalling activated |
| 21:00.14 | Supaplex | I vote we move based on debian to debian ripoff ;) |
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| 21:00.36 | valdyn | maxxle: you can do that, _or_ you can set ext3 to journal metadata only |
| 21:00.39 | k31th | is it me or does there seem to be alot more users in this channel now ? |
| 21:00.57 | Supaplex | k31th: only since you joined. |
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| 21:01.05 | mond0 | nevermind, looks like apt-get update fixed it.. |
| 21:01.09 | wolf12 | unison is better than rsync ? I dont know unison ... Am I`m missing something ? ;-) |
| 21:01.22 | iter | unison uses rsync but works both ways |
| 21:01.26 | Supaplex | !unison |
| 21:01.27 | dpkg | unison is probably a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 21:01.28 | iter | very powerful and configurable |
| 21:01.33 | k31th | Supaplex: :D |
| 21:01.35 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, I'd expect reiserfs to be slower on dm_crypt, as it occasionally rebalances its trees, which means it has to shift innocent data around |
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| 21:02.00 | abrotman | roler: it's either in your X config .. or in your gnome settings .. i ca'nt imagine it being anywhere else |
| 21:02.01 | wolf12 | thanks to all, regarding unison |
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| 21:02.17 | roler | abrotman, ; ok thanks, you've been most helpful |
| 21:02.23 | maxxle | valdyn: Ok - So i use ext3 with metadata journal only. This means my FS stays consistent on powerloss except the open files? |
| 21:02.35 | Supaplex | !beer abrotman |
| 21:02.42 | valdyn | maxxle: every filesystem can break on powerloss |
| 21:02.47 | roler | hehe |
| 21:02.52 | GyrosGeier | but indeed, I am still at a loss regarding how to dm-crypt my data, as it is a P200 MMX laptop |
| 21:02.57 | valdyn | maxxle: unless you buy some truely expensive hardware |
| 21:02.58 | falco_toadfoot | hm.. why doesn't depmod and update-modules exist any longer? |
| 21:03.03 | roler | hahaha remember that? |
| 21:03.03 | outlaw84 | valdyn: it works now. Thanks! |
| 21:03.08 | falco_toadfoot | only with the ".modutils"-extension |
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| 21:03.29 | maxxle | valdyn: Ok - sure. But it 'should' stay usable on a powerloss with this metajournaling activated. |
| 21:03.39 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, the metadata will be consistent, but not the data |
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| 21:03.52 | valdyn | maxxle: usually it wont break |
| 21:04.09 | Dabian | Now my mouse shows up in "lsusb" ... |
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| 21:04.13 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, i.e. you may experience files that have old stuff in them, or garbage, or parts of other files that got deleted |
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| 21:04.20 | Dabian | It still refuses profoundly to work though... |
| 21:04.28 | Supaplex | !meepsmite roler |
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| 21:04.42 | valdyn | maxxle: if power goes out while your journal is being written to that is dangerous in any case |
| 21:04.43 | BlackBishop | hi all, |
| 21:04.56 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, but the filesystem will fsck cleanly, as it cannot tell the difference |
| 21:04.58 | BlackBishop | what's the latest kernel for 31r2 ? |
| 21:04.58 | GyrosGeier | valdyn, no |
| 21:05.06 | valdyn | GyrosGeier: yes |
| 21:05.23 | Supaplex | BlackBishop: anything you make with kernel-package. |
| 21:05.37 | streuner | BlackBishop: 2.6.8, but you could use backports as well (2.6.15) |
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| 21:05.49 | BlackBishop | hmm .. |
| 21:06.14 | GyrosGeier | valdyn, if there is an incomplete journal entry, it will be ignored. If it isn't incomplete, then it will be checked whether it has happened already, and whether the info for the entire transaction is there. If not, the txn is rolled back, if it is, the tx is redone |
| 21:06.22 | BlackBishop | 2.6.8 ? 2.6.17 is on it's way and it's still using .8 ? |
| 21:06.24 | BlackBishop | how come ? |
| 21:06.25 | anabain | mond0, try # apt-get install --reinstall libc6-dev, and then compile anything |
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| 21:06.35 | GyrosGeier | !tell BlackBishop about stable |
| 21:06.36 | abrotman | BlackBishop: that's what was released with stable |
| 21:06.47 | BlackBishop | ok .. |
| 21:06.52 | BlackBishop | how about the "unstable" edition :) |
| 21:06.56 | abrotman | BlackBishop: stable tries to stick to a known set of bugs .. changing kernels dosen't help with that |
| 21:06.59 | BlackBishop | how stable is it for the end-user ? |
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| 21:07.04 | abrotman | 2.6.8? |
| 21:07.09 | x`y`-xy | how can find the Host Name :part |
| 21:07.11 | abrotman | or sarge in general ? |
| 21:07.12 | blondie | hi abrotman! |
| 21:07.18 | streuner | BlackBishop: unstable is unstable ;-) |
| 21:07.18 | x`y`-xy | sorry |
| 21:07.18 | abrotman | hi blo |
| 21:07.20 | abrotman | hi blondie |
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| 21:07.21 | jengelh | host 134.1.2.3 |
| 21:07.24 | BlackBishop | define unstable |
| 21:07.26 | blondie | blow |
| 21:07.27 | valdyn | GyrosGeier: power outages dont make the head 'stop', it will write unpredictable data to unpredictable places, it can destroy your journal |
| 21:07.32 | abrotman | !tell BlackBishop about sid faq |
| 21:07.34 | ricneves | hi folks |
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| 21:07.57 | GyrosGeier | valdyn, in which cases the carefully crafted checksums don't match, and the broken entries are discarded |
| 21:07.59 | maxxle | valdyn/GyrosGeier: I've checked that metadata stuff at the wikipedia entry and got a clue about it with your explanation. I think I will find a solution for my problem now. Is there a way to find out which type of journaling is used on a already installed ext3? And can it be changed? |
| 21:07.59 | Spudchat | hello, is there some kind of gui program that manages ssh keys? or is there a way to run ssh-agent so that it works in all shells |
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| 21:08.10 | abrotman | Spudchat: seahorse is one |
| 21:08.12 | GyrosGeier | valdyn, in most cases, the drive will continue to write the track though |
| 21:08.21 | Spudchat | thanks ill look into that |
| 21:08.22 | BlackBishop | ahmm .. what are you guys using ? |
| 21:08.23 | abrotman | !info seahorse sarge |
| 21:08.26 | GyrosGeier | valdyn, at least modern drives manage to do that |
| 21:08.28 | dpkg | seahorse: (A Gnome front end for GnuPG), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.7.6-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 702 kB, Installed size: 2580 kB |
| 21:08.37 | streuner | BlackBishop: everything |
| 21:08.40 | abrotman | BlackBishop: people run all kinds of different things .. depends on your level of expertise |
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| 21:08.44 | valdyn | GyrosGeier: yea, sure, im talking what can happen, not what will likely happen, usually it wont break |
| 21:08.54 | Dabian | OK .. I guess USB mousesupport is simply broken in unstable right now. |
| 21:08.57 | streuner | BlackBishop: but keep in mind most of us use debian serveral years... |
| 21:08.57 | Ecnassianer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.09 | BlackBishop | well .. I'm using .. fedora for some time .. |
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| 21:09.17 | BlackBishop | mandriva a couple of years ago .. |
| 21:09.31 | BlackBishop | and I managed to install debian and make it work .. some time ago ... |
| 21:09.54 | GyrosGeier | valdyn, given the unlikely chance that the head writes garbage that forms a valid journal entry with a valid checksum and does not match the filesystem data, yes |
| 21:09.59 | azeem | Ecnassianer: for i in `seq -s ' ' 0 <high_number>`; do foo 19NS0-$i.JPG; done |
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| 21:10.04 | amoi | hello ppl. i`m using debian sarge 3.1 kernel 2.4.x, how do i upgrade kernel for the latest kernel 2.6.17 ? |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | BlackBishop: the highest i'd advise you to go at this point is etch .. and that still breaks |
| 21:10.13 | Ecnassianer | Thanks azeem |
| 21:10.18 | abrotman | amoi: what is your CPU? |
| 21:10.30 | amoi | celeron |
| 21:10.33 | BlackBishop | etch ? |
| 21:10.35 | maxxle | GyrosGeier: Can the journaling mode be changed on a running FS? (ext3) |
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| 21:10.40 | abrotman | amoi: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:10.46 | GyrosGeier | valdyn, but as most drives just write out entire tracks as it would be too difficult to hit sector boundaries |
| 21:10.51 | abrotman | BlackBishop: current codename for testing .. but as i said .. stuff still breaks |
| 21:10.55 | GyrosGeier | maxxle, sure, it's a mount option |
| 21:10.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: Yo! |
| 21:10.58 | amoi | abrotman; then? |
| 21:11.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: the weekend has begun already? |
| 21:11.10 | BlackBishop | ok .. testing then .. what's the latest kde/kernel there ? |
| 21:11.29 | tarzeau | 23:08 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from amoi: mIRC v6.03 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 21:11.30 | Dabian | /bin/sh: yow: command not found |
| 21:11.30 | Dabian | -o tarzeau: |
| 21:11.33 | streuner | tarzeau: for him is every day weekend, if he look into the mirror ;-) |
| 21:11.36 | maxxle | GyrosGeier: Ok! So I will check the manpages. |
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| 21:11.54 | abrotman | amoi: then you'll have kernel 2.6.8-3 .. the one that is officially in sarge |
| 21:11.55 | Dabian | tarzeau:A playful young chemist named Byrd Had an urge that could not be deferred. So to irritate Knox He shit in his sox, And plastered the walls with his turd. |
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| 21:12.06 | abrotman | BlackBishop: kde3.5 i think .. kernel 2.6.15 |
| 21:12.12 | Dabian | ouch .. sorry about that, tarzeau (and others) |
| 21:12.15 | Ecnassianer | azeem: If I wanted to learn how to write one of those myself, what should I google for/read? |
| 21:12.18 | BlackBishop | hmm .. I'll stick to fedora then .. |
| 21:12.19 | maxxle | GyrosGeier/valdyn: Thx for your help. Looks like I know what I wnat now :) |
| 21:12.20 | amoi | tarzeau; now i`m using win. my kernel was panic when i install 2.6.17 manually install |
| 21:12.22 | abrotman | BlackBishop: if X7 goes into testing .. it may break a lot of your stuff |
| 21:12.33 | amoi | thanks abrotman |
| 21:12.33 | Spudchat | hmm ok i installed seahorse but it says cannot open display...is this because im using kde? |
| 21:12.35 | tarzeau | amoi: pas de probleme monsieur |
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| 21:13.06 | Dabian | tarzeau:Nothing happens. |
| 21:13.12 | Dabian | tarzeau:Hay que darle la palabra al filósofo especializado en ética, capaz de dotar de contenido humano a la ciencia. -- Juana Sánchez-Gey. |
| 21:13.14 | amoi | abrotman; do you have script for re-compile kernel with my compatible hardware? when i type dmesg and it can write into .config |
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| 21:14.35 | GyrosGeier | I think kmuto also did something in that direction |
| 21:14.37 | abrotman | amoi: i told you how to install a 2.6 kernel |
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| 21:15.06 | amoi | yes abrotman. it also compile for my hardware to ? |
| 21:15.09 | BlackBishop | I think I'll booble unstable >:) |
| 21:15.21 | BlackBishop | is there any way I can break something .. at hardware level ? |
| 21:15.21 | azeem | amoi: why do you need a custom kernel? |
| 21:15.26 | abrotman | amoi: you have a 686 CPU |
| 21:15.38 | valdyn | BlackBishop: occosionally |
| 21:15.41 | amoi | yes abrotman. my cpu celeron |
| 21:15.46 | BlackBishop | valdyn, what do you mean ? |
| 21:15.47 | valdyn | BlackBishop: extremely rarely |
| 21:15.49 | abrotman | BlackBishop: you mean like when mandriva was eating LG CD drives? |
| 21:15.54 | Dabian | BlackBishop : May I recommend a sledge hammer? |
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| 21:16.01 | BlackBishop | ha ha :P |
| 21:16.03 | valdyn | BlackBishop: it is very rare that software can break your hardware |
| 21:16.04 | BlackBishop | verry funny guys ! |
| 21:16.13 | abrotman | i did cook a machine with cpuburn |
| 21:16.14 | BlackBishop | yeah .. I know .. just asking :) |
| 21:16.17 | abrotman | but it was flaky anyways |
| 21:16.25 | jengelh | abrotman : I cooked eggs with it |
| 21:16.35 | Dabian | kommerck : No idea .. |
| 21:17.01 | valdyn | BlackBishop: but, mandrake even released a distro that broke cd drives, so uh, i wouldnt worry about sid in particular doing that |
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| 21:17.25 | BlackBishop | valdyn, didn't hear about that one .. |
| 21:17.37 | BlackBishop | _HOW_ did it break them ? |
| 21:17.45 | azeem | check google |
| 21:17.46 | abrotman | BlackBishop: it ate LG drives |
| 21:17.55 | amoi | i want to make custom kernel because i want to make it gateway and running fast. |
| 21:18.01 | Dabian | BlackBishop : Breaking hardware with software is old .. |
| 21:18.08 | valdyn | BlackBishop: or lm-sensors eats thinkpads |
| 21:18.11 | abrotman | BlackBishop: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/25/1737244&mode=thread&tid=137&tid=147&tid=187 |
| 21:18.23 | Dabian | BlackBishop : There used to be a sport .. in old days you could cook a monitor .. burn in your own tag or stuff. |
| 21:18.29 | azeem | amoi: if you don't know much about Linux kernel configuration, you'll likely make it slower I guess |
| 21:18.37 | BlackBishop | kewl ! |
| 21:18.39 | BlackBishop | >:) |
| 21:18.52 | BlackBishop | is unstable available by jidgo ? |
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| 21:19.07 | Dabian | BlackBishop : Whats wrong with bittorrent now? |
| 21:19.09 | amoi | azeem; i try to customizing my kernel but my kernel was panic 4 times. |
| 21:19.19 | BlackBishop | Dabian, not working too great in .ro ... |
| 21:19.31 | streuner | BlackBishop: you didn't listen much, do you? |
| 21:19.36 | amoi | azeem; lkm error |
| 21:19.38 | pjz | is there a way to verify the bits on disk vs the bits in a package on a repository? |
| 21:19.39 | Ecnassianer | azeem: Thanks for your help, project finished ;) |
| 21:19.51 | azeem | amoi: that's what I mean |
| 21:19.53 | BlackBishop | streuner, did .. but I'd still like to try unstable ! |
| 21:20.01 | Dabian | BlackBishop : Why not? |
| 21:20.14 | azeem | Ecnassianer: cheers |
| 21:20.16 | amoi | azeem; yes azeem. but i want to learn it. |
| 21:20.19 | BlackBishop | it's just not so great .. I can barely get 3 - 4 Kb/s |
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| 21:20.33 | azeem | amoi: read the documentation then |
| 21:20.38 | azeem | or tutorials |
| 21:20.40 | valdyn | BlackBishop: why would you download iso images to try unstable? |
| 21:20.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:20.50 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:20.57 | azeem | people in here are likely not inclined to walk you through it |
| 21:20.58 | BlackBishop | coz I just want to "test" it ? |
| 21:21.10 | valdyn | BlackBishop: silly |
| 21:21.15 | BlackBishop | :"> |
| 21:21.15 | valdyn | !sarge->sid |
| 21:21.19 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->sid |
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| 21:21.26 | amoi | azeem; i have read it. but i want to shortcut lesson any script for write .conf for re-compile my kernel |
| 21:21.31 | valdyn | dpkg, stable->unstable |
| 21:21.31 | dpkg | methinks stable->unstable is iyhtays. if you need more recent packages, ask me about testing or quick etch/sid mix |
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| 21:22.11 | BlackBishop | ... bleah .. |
| 21:22.32 | valdyn | BlackBishop: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace etch/testing/sarge/stable with unstable, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and enjoy your system updating ( or breaking, or both ) |
| 21:22.54 | BlackBishop | >:) |
| 21:22.58 | BlackBishop | I will ... |
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| 21:24.13 | abrotman | it will DIE! |
| 21:24.15 | miki2 | i compiled kernel and i saved config file(to two file, default and one made by me). now when im trying to compile kernel with same options once again 'make menuconfig' loads first file, not one saved by me(not previous default wich was also same). where i can find those config files? |
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| 21:24.19 | smarco | sorry for being clueless but how do i shift my network traffic from eth0 to eth1? |
| 21:24.20 | beardy | And don't whine about it when it breaks. |
| 21:24.34 | valdyn | smarco: how do you what? |
| 21:24.35 | beardy | smarco: Swap the cables? |
| 21:24.38 | Dabian | smarco : Switch cables? |
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| 21:24.45 | Dabian | BearPerson, Hehere :_) |
| 21:24.53 | BlackBishop | are these modules in the 2.6.8 kernel : ieee80211softmac ieee80211_crypt_tkip ? |
| 21:24.53 | abrotman | doh! |
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| 21:25.06 | asimov | Should prelinking take hours |
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| 21:25.14 | smarco | valdyn beardy Dabian: i want to use eth1 but its still trying to "go through" eth0 i believe. |
| 21:25.20 | Astral_Projectio | hi |
| 21:25.34 | azeem | asimov: is the harddisk and/or the processes doing it working/eating CPU time? |
| 21:25.37 | valdyn | smarco: maybe 'route del default eth0 && route add default eth1', but we really need more info to understand what you want |
| 21:25.38 | BlackBishop | smarco, route add default gw again ? |
| 21:25.39 | olsen | edit /etc/network/interface |
| 21:25.46 | Astral_Projectio | I have a HUGE problem with apt. I cannot install\remove anything. |
| 21:25.47 | Astral_Projectio | I tryed to install qt-dev with apt but installation was broken and now I cannot install\remove anything. When I start Synaptic it tells me that I have 33 broken packages. OK, I click Fix Broken Packages and Apply. The package casuing the problem is xlibmesa-gl. Synaptic cannot install it because it will replace (I guess) /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 and that file is in use by some other package (fglrx), my graphic card driver. I tryed to do apt-ge |
| 21:25.47 | Astral_Projectio | t remove fglrx but it can't remove it because of these broken packages. Each and everyone of these "Broken" packages works normally without any problems.. Can someone please tell me how to fix this problem? |
| 21:26.17 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: paste the errors apt-get is giving |
| 21:26.17 | BlackBishop | are these modules in the 2.6.8 kernel : ieee80211softmac ieee80211_crypt_tkip ? |
| 21:26.23 | valdyn | BlackBishop: no |
| 21:26.28 | GyrosGeier | nope |
| 21:26.29 | Astral_Projectio | can I paste Here? |
| 21:26.32 | BlackBishop | damn .. |
| 21:26.33 | GyrosGeier | softmac was added in .15 |
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| 21:26.35 | beardy | Astral_Projectio: NO |
| 21:26.35 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: /msg dpkg paste |
| 21:26.45 | BlackBishop | I'd really need those modules for my wireless driver |
| 21:26.52 | BlackBishop | anyone here has a zd1211 usb dongle ? |
| 21:26.54 | asimov | azzem: I am a noob... How do I check? |
| 21:27.11 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 21:27.11 | dpkg | hmm... noob is Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:27.22 | Astral_Projectio | ok on flood is my error |
| 21:27.22 | GyrosGeier | argh |
| 21:27.28 | GyrosGeier | grub doesn't like LVM2 |
| 21:27.41 | Dabian | !tell asimov about noob |
| 21:27.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: what was that new games? i have fast 3d again... i've tried toycars today... |
| 21:27.51 | azeem | asimov: why do you need prelinking then? |
| 21:27.54 | azeem | asimov: run top |
| 21:27.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm .. let me look quickly |
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| 21:28.02 | azeem | asimov: what process eats most CPU? |
| 21:28.10 | Dabian | tarzeau : Which gfx card? |
| 21:28.10 | azeem | asimov: also, check your harddisk light :) |
| 21:28.11 | Astral_Projectio | valdyn, can I fix this? |
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| 21:28.15 | tarzeau | Dabian: nvidia |
| 21:28.26 | Dabian | tarzeau : /join #nvidia |
| 21:28.30 | Dabian | tarzeau : which nvidia? |
| 21:28.33 | tarzeau | Dabian: it wasn't a question |
| 21:28.39 | tarzeau | Dabian: i just said it works again |
| 21:28.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: Trip on the Funny Boat and Battle of Antargis .. though i see Turbo Sliders too |
| 21:28.45 | Dabian | tarzeau : wasn't an answer :) |
| 21:28.50 | Dabian | tarzeau . Just a reqwuest :) |
| 21:28.53 | tarzeau | Dabian: i'm in #nvidia, cool people |
| 21:28.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: and there is Tux Football! |
| 21:28.59 | smarco | valdyn: thanks, del default eth0 did it |
| 21:29.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: TUX FOOTSIE BALLS? |
| 21:29.06 | Dabian | tarzeau : Cool. :) |
| 21:29.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: Soccer!~ |
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| 21:29.21 | BlackBishop | boobs |
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| 21:29.24 | Dabian | tarzeau : I am buying a real computer. |
| 21:29.27 | BlackBishop | boobies even ! |
| 21:29.29 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: remove that fglrx package and get a real one from ati's site, debs can be generated with their installer |
| 21:29.42 | Astral_Projectio | I cannot remove it |
| 21:29.44 | Astral_Projectio | that is the problem |
| 21:29.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can't do trip on the funny boat, it's python... but it really looks cool yes |
| 21:29.47 | Dabian | tarzeau : Not sure which MB I will get. .. but I consider getting nvidia 7900GT card. |
| 21:29.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: do eet! |
| 21:29.57 | asimov | The hardisk light seems normal... Its not constant |
| 21:29.59 | Astral_Projectio | when I try apt-get remove fgl... it tells me that some packages are broken |
| 21:30.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe stew will do Trip on the Funny Boat! |
| 21:30.10 | Astral_Projectio | and that I need this xlibmesa-gl |
| 21:30.13 | azeem | Astral_Projectio: use dpkg -r instead then |
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| 21:30.19 | Astral_Projectio | btw |
| 21:30.20 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: run 'dpkg --remove fglrx-4-3-0' |
| 21:30.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: or maybe azeem would like to package another python app :) |
| 21:30.25 | Astral_Projectio | it is from ati's site |
| 21:30.26 | Dabian | Astral_Projectio : Maybe its right? |
| 21:30.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: looking at turbo sliders |
| 21:30.39 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: and you used alien on their rpm? |
| 21:30.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: sounds like fun: Top-down racing game for up to 20 players |
| 21:30.49 | asimov | Prelink-bin and nano seem to be using the most cpu |
| 21:30.54 | [lain] | nobody knows a program for translate ? |
| 21:30.55 | Astral_Projectio | yes |
| 21:31.00 | Astral_Projectio | I've installed it with alien |
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| 21:31.03 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: that was the evil part |
| 21:31.04 | tarzeau | [lain]: yes, and your nick sucks |
| 21:31.10 | Dabian | !tell [lain] about nobody |
| 21:31.11 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: use THEIR install to generate debs, not alien |
| 21:31.11 | Astral_Projectio | why |
| 21:31.14 | tarzeau | [lain]: what about you tell which languages? |
| 21:31.16 | azeem | asimov: how much time did prelink-bin take already? |
| 21:31.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: could be .. |
| 21:31.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: going home! |
| 21:31.22 | Astral_Projectio | their? |
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| 21:31.27 | asimov | 2 maybe three hours |
| 21:31.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: soccer looks fun too. you go? i'm already |
| 21:31.32 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: because its stupid, just trust me, i wont explain package management to you at length |
| 21:31.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: back in a bit |
| 21:31.38 | [lain] | tarzeau : eng and ita |
| 21:31.41 | asimov | can I abort it? |
| 21:31.51 | Astral_Projectio | so how can I install this package? it is rpm? |
| 21:31.56 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: use ATI's installer to generate debs |
| 21:32.06 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: they dont only have rpms for you to download |
| 21:32.15 | Astral_Projectio | that is *.run file? |
| 21:32.19 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: RIGHT |
| 21:32.27 | asimov | actually just about an hour |
| 21:32.32 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: and read the documentation |
| 21:32.39 | Astral_Projectio | thanks |
| 21:32.43 | Astral_Projectio | I've removed fglrx |
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| 21:32.56 | Dabian | valdyn : ATI has started releasing drivers for GNU/Linux ? |
| 21:32.56 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: first anyway remove that fglrx-4-3-0 breakage and whatever else you installed via alien |
| 21:32.58 | Astral_Projectio | i fixed this |
| 21:32.59 | Astral_Projectio | man |
| 21:32.59 | Stevie | Which manual page do you want? |
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| 21:33.06 | Astral_Projectio | thank you |
| 21:33.07 | Astral_Projectio | :) |
| 21:33.09 | valdyn | Dabian: long ago, but for debian too, yea |
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| 21:33.15 | Astral_Projectio | i've removed tahta |
| 21:33.21 | Dabian | valdyn : So will it compare to nvidia cards? |
| 21:33.24 | Astral_Projectio | now I just start ati*.run? |
| 21:33.24 | beardy | valdyn: But they |
| 21:33.24 | asimov | Isn't nano a text editor? I son't have it running yet I see in the top list |
| 21:33.38 | myren | anyone know a web based MS-SQL administratoin program? |
| 21:33.41 | beardy | valdyn: but they're not free, are they? |
| 21:33.47 | myren | sorry to ask such a dreadfulfucking question |
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| 21:34.09 | valdyn | beardy: no, they just added the feature to generate proper debs to their installer |
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| 21:34.12 | [lain] | tarzeau: then??? |
| 21:34.39 | valdyn | Dabian: i have no idea about their drivers' quality |
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| 21:35.06 | Dabian | valdyn : But they are better than the free .. oh .. you said you had no idea. |
| 21:35.17 | tarzeau | [lain]: wait |
| 21:35.18 | grendelson | I've been fighting Nvidia driver (deb testing) and lockign up for weeks now - I thought I had it licked. But it came back. I added all the suggested no acpi no apm options to kernel boot , how can I tell what agp chip I have from OS? Or any other suggetsions (use nvidia agp driver etc.) |
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| 21:35.46 | grendelson | The cptr is locking up almost everytime it goes to standby or screensaver now. Not sure of Exact thing that causes Xorg to go to 99% |
| 21:35.49 | beardy | myren: Have you tried #windows? (##windows?) (yes, mostly morons, but perhaps someone with a clue?) |
| 21:35.56 | tarzeau | [lain]: check freedict packages or http://io.debian.net/~tar/misc/dictionary/ |
| 21:36.11 | patterson | Ultimate Boot C D |
| 21:36.17 | patterson | ubcd |
| 21:36.30 | [lain] | tarzeau: thanks :) |
| 21:36.40 | patterson | but. golly. i'd just use the propietary nvidia stuff |
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| 21:36.49 | tarzeau | [lain]: you're welcome. ding is a nice frontend |
| 21:36.56 | Dabian | patterson : Why? |
| 21:36.58 | Astral_Projectio | valdyn, now i should use this Generate Distribution specific package?? |
| 21:36.59 | tarzeau | [lain]: but some advanced grep's fine too |
| 21:37.05 | patterson | why fight it |
| 21:37.13 | patterson | on your own machine |
| 21:37.33 | beardy | patterson: Where else shall it begin? |
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| 21:37.46 | grendelson | THe doc for Nvidia driver suggests that I use the Nvidia or Linux agp driver depending on which one works - the agpgart is loading in modules but how can I get it to NOT load sso I can try tthe nvidia? Is it inetc/modules or the like? |
| 21:37.47 | Dabian | beardy : Cool point! |
| 21:37.54 | patterson | oh. something about /nose /face /spite |
| 21:38.14 | patterson | oops forgot the emoticon :) |
| 21:38.20 | asimov | Do you think that aborting prelink will hurt my system? |
| 21:38.20 | Dabian | grendelson : Mangle the config .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:38.35 | Dabian | asimov : With a little help from my friends. |
| 21:38.36 | grendelson | Dabian : mangle the config? |
| 21:38.43 | Dabian | grendelson : Change it. |
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| 21:39.07 | beardy | asimov: whatis prelinking? |
| 21:39.14 | azeem | Dabian: "With a little help from my friends."? |
| 21:39.25 | grendelson | Dabian: to what ? I;m using xorg - it runs ok I am trying to get this agp instability when returning from apm fixed. (I think) not sure what changing xorg.conf will do? |
| 21:39.31 | ribnitz | Can grub boot md devices? |
| 21:39.34 | beardy | asimov: I mean what are you dong that is prelinking? |
| 21:39.35 | azeem | beardy: it's a technique to save on dynamic linking time when starting applications |
| 21:39.41 | beardy | doing* |
| 21:39.42 | grendelson | patterson: Do youuse Nvidia drivers? |
| 21:40.00 | patterson | no |
| 21:40.36 | patterson | not at the moment . |
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| 21:41.29 | grendelson | There is a lot of mention in the docs about the agp being unstable after returning from standby -- but the suggested fixes are passing no acpi and no apm to kernel. also vga=normal. I've done all that |
| 21:41.33 | tehg33k | I need to find out what external dun modems will work with linux. Anyone know where I can find a list? |
| 21:41.39 | gnufan | Argh - how do I type a newline character in bash -- I need one in the arguments to a program |
| 21:41.52 | azeem | gnufan: eh |
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| 21:42.02 | tarzeau | gnufan: |
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| 21:42.07 | tarzeau | gnufan: \n |
| 21:42.13 | asimov | This is what I ran: sudo prelink -avmR |
| 21:42.15 | grendelson | noapic acpi=off pci=noacpi pci=biosirq vga=normal <-- these are in my grub boot file after kernel |
| 21:42.22 | beardy | azeem: Ah. And when is it performed? When installing libraries or..? |
| 21:42.28 | valdyn | gnufan: that would be dependent on that program, not bash |
| 21:42.39 | gnufan | tarzeau: lol -- nah \n only works when things understand it I think... |
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| 21:42.52 | grendelson | But Xorg still goes to 99% regularly and I have to ssh into box and kill Xorg and recycle gdm to get desktop back... |
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| 21:43.00 | _Brandon_ | i can't find this damn sd_mod into the kernel i've enabled a lot of scsi things, anyone know where is it? :) |
| 21:43.02 | tarzeau | gnufan: who doesn't understand it? |
| 21:43.18 | valdyn | grendelson: have you tried vt switching before and after suspend? |
| 21:43.31 | azeem | beardy: it is not performed by default on Debian yet |
| 21:43.39 | ribnitz | tarzeau: shouldnt you be soundly sleeping? ;) |
| 21:43.49 | grendelson | valdyn : If you mean ctrl-alt-F1 I cant cux the keyboard is locked - sometimes I have mouse but no keyboard... |
| 21:44.04 | tarzeau | ribnitz: ICH SCHNARCHE NICHT DU SACK |
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| 21:44.19 | azeem | tarzeau: please turn off caps lock |
| 21:44.22 | tarzeau | ribnitz: what about you? it's weekend, it's warm, nightlife just started |
| 21:44.27 | azeem | asimov: probably not many people in here have experience with prelinking here, sorry |
| 21:44.28 | beardy | azeem: And when doing it, if you abort it, does it hurt anything? (asimov's question above) |
| 21:44.39 | Dabian | azeem, En "estando" cuesta abajo, hasta los zapatos ruedan. |
| 21:44.39 | grendelson | tarzeau :Youre not What with his sack? |
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| 21:44.48 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Waiting 20 mins to get the last bus to town. |
| 21:44.50 | robhu_ | I'm using the installer CD to try and recover something on my machine. What do I need to type to mount a raid1 running on sda1 and sdb1 ? |
| 21:44.52 | azeem | beardy, asimov: I don't know |
| 21:44.58 | asimov | HMM |
| 21:45.02 | valdyn | beardy: yes it does hurt, prelink can break your libraries |
| 21:45.04 | azeem | Dabian: please write english in here |
| 21:45.05 | tarzeau | ribnitz: wait soundly doesn't mean schnarchen :) |
| 21:45.10 | Dabian | azeem : How+ |
| 21:45.14 | Dabian | s/+/?/ |
| 21:45.14 | asimov | well breaking the box is half the fun eh? |
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| 21:45.17 | azeem | ? |
| 21:45.19 | tarzeau | Dabian: hey didn't you do some translations? |
| 21:45.28 | ribnitz | tarzeau: soundly -> "fest" |
| 21:45.28 | Dabian | tarzeau : Ahh yeah .. |
| 21:45.39 | Dabian | tarzeau : I almost forgot what it was .. Terminal? |
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| 21:46.00 | tarzeau | grendelson: it meant: i don't snore you scrotum |
| 21:46.02 | beardy | asimov: what valdyn said above then, let it run for a while longer? |
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| 21:46.33 | grendelson | tarzeau OH Havent spoken German in years! pushed aside by spanish :-) |
| 21:46.33 | valdyn | asimov: any program should abort gracefully if you 'kill' it, just dont use kill -9 |
| 21:46.36 | Dabian | tarzeau . heh .. I thoguht "sack" was "bag" in english? (or something to that effect) |
| 21:46.47 | asimov | Thanks y'll |
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| 21:46.49 | tarzeau | Dabian: here it meant scrotum |
| 21:46.56 | beardy | !kill |
| 21:47.06 | beardy | hmm.. |
| 21:47.09 | robhu_ | Anyone know how to mount the raid device from the installer? |
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| 21:47.31 | hydride | anyone know a good app I can use to resize a bunch of pictures at once? |
| 21:47.32 | hachre | hi guys |
| 21:47.34 | Dabian | tarzeau : OK. |
| 21:47.37 | grendelson | Is there a proc entry or otehr way to see exactly what agp chipset I am using - when I dmesg | grep -i agp I get genereic agp found message.... |
| 21:47.39 | Dabian | tarzeau : like "eier". |
| 21:47.42 | hachre | hydride: i think gthumb can do that |
| 21:47.44 | ribnitz | hachre: console? |
| 21:47.44 | tarzeau | hydride: imagemagick |
| 21:47.50 | hachre | ribnitz: nope? |
| 21:47.54 | hydride | are any of them console apps? |
| 21:47.58 | tarzeau | Dabian: yes |
| 21:48.03 | hachre | ribnitz: why? :) |
| 21:48.07 | Dabian | tarzeau : Usually it means something you get from hens. |
| 21:48.11 | ribnitz | hydride: imagemagic, convert. Gimp. |
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| 21:48.29 | tarzeau | ribnitz: convert is for single pictures, he wants mogrify |
| 21:49.16 | beardy | tarzeau: convert can quite easily be used in a script though |
| 21:49.17 | ribnitz | tarzeau: foreach i (`ls *.jpg`) ... |
| 21:49.28 | valdyn | grendelson: ty update-pciids and lspci again |
| 21:49.33 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i know, but mogrify is more efficient |
| 21:49.41 | tarzeau | beardy: i know, but mogrify is more efficient |
| 21:49.46 | js_ | ribnitz: what's that? |
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| 21:49.51 | Dabian | valdyn : update-usbids ? |
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| 21:50.06 | grendelson | valdyn Thanks |
| 21:50.18 | ribnitz | js_: foreach is a command some (csh-like) shells have. |
| 21:50.32 | js_ | ribnitz: csh, ok |
| 21:50.36 | hachre | does anyone know a bunch of personal experiences or tests for xfs vs reiserfs? |
| 21:50.45 | witten_ | may be a faq: anyone know what happened to fetchmail in testing? |
| 21:50.56 | valdyn | !info fetchmail testing |
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| 21:51.09 | witten_ | !info fetchmail testing |
| 21:51.16 | azeem | witten_: no need to repeat |
| 21:51.24 | valdyn | !why is fetchmail not in testing |
| 21:51.25 | dpkg | fetchmail is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=fetchmail |
| 21:51.29 | witten_ | thanks |
| 21:51.34 | streuner | witten_: what does BTS or pdo say about? |
| 21:51.44 | ribnitz | hachre: Personally: xfs does not like power failures (may lead to internal file corruption), reiserfs is a nice idea, but is too untested for productive use. |
| 21:51.44 | witten_ | hmm |
| 21:52.26 | jengelh | My power failures did not harm anyone. |
| 21:52.27 | Dabian | ribnitz : Never heard of xfs or ext3 ? |
| 21:52.38 | jengelh | neither harmed the xfses. |
| 21:52.40 | hachre | ribnitz: it actually gets corrupted more than reiserfs from power failures? |
| 21:52.50 | robhu_ | Avoid Reiserfs |
| 21:53.03 | jengelh | sounds like your power failures are power surges destroying the disk rather than just shutting down |
| 21:53.06 | PlutoniumDragon | It craps out a lot quite easily |
| 21:53.23 | PlutoniumDragon | Use something like ext3 for production or something well tested like xfs if you really want speed |
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| 21:53.34 | ribnitz | hachre: If you use xfs, get an ups with it to plug into the server. The corruption is not on a file level, the file may just contain junk. |
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| 21:53.47 | hachre | ribnitz: oh |
| 21:53.50 | hachre | ribnitz: junk sucks |
| 21:53.58 | ribnitz | PlutoniumDragon: JFS or XFS. thats basically it. |
| 21:54.30 | jengelh | jfs lacks acls last time I checked. |
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| 21:54.34 | ribnitz | PlutoniumDragon: XFS is faster. JFS offers more security to the data. |
| 21:54.44 | jengelh | nm |
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| 21:54.53 | jengelh | seems like they added it |
| 21:54.56 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 21:54.56 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 21:55.35 | Dabian | What happened to peterS btw? |
| 21:55.43 | tarzeau | !seen peterS |
| 21:55.43 | streuner | he is still here |
| 21:55.44 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 16h 39m 50s |
| 21:55.49 | ribnitz | streuner: XFS is more cpu intensive than JFS. |
| 21:55.50 | hachre | are we talking JFS or JFS2? |
| 21:56.03 | PlutoniumDragon | Reiser4 is completely not ready for use |
| 21:56.12 | ribnitz | hachre: the jfs in linux is jfs2, iirc. |
| 21:56.14 | PlutoniumDragon | I'm on the Reiser list - and woah, you really don't want to use it |
| 21:56.16 | tarzeau | PlutoniumDragon: suse and xandros use it |
| 21:56.20 | hachre | ribnitz: ok |
| 21:56.21 | streuner | ribnitz: well, someone told us really good things about JFS, but personally i've never used it. |
| 21:56.23 | tarzeau | PlutoniumDragon: not sure which version.. probably 3? |
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| 21:56.38 | PlutoniumDragon | tarzeau: I use Reiserfs on my laptop and on all our servers at work |
| 21:56.45 | tarzeau | !RICER |
| 21:56.45 | dpkg | somebody said ricer was at gentoo |
| 21:56.49 | PlutoniumDragon | tarzeau: I now *know* that's a bad idea ;-) |
| 21:56.57 | tarzeau | PlutoniumDragon: i could've told you |
| 21:56.58 | jengelh | XFS's quotas are topnotch. |
| 21:57.07 | ribnitz | streuner: Its not too speedy, but offers really low cpu load, and good recoverability. |
| 21:57.12 | jengelh | Calculated in an instant (no long quotacheck runs) and don't need to be recalculated at all. |
| 21:57.33 | ribnitz | ok. I am off. |
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| 21:58.44 | hachre | thank ribnitz |
| 21:58.46 | hachre | thanks* |
| 21:58.49 | hachre | demmn |
| 21:58.50 | hachre | argh |
| 21:58.54 | hachre | i cant type today |
| 21:59.11 | action09 | anyone know a soft o automount dvds/cdroms/usbdisks like in Ubuntu please ? (on Debian Sid) tia |
| 21:59.17 | action09 | s/o/to |
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| 21:59.37 | action09 | i tried usbmount but not well supreised :- |
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| 22:00.16 | tuv | my debian testing (new install) keeps hanging (once to twice a day) without a trace on any log file.. how can i figure out which component is causing the problem? |
| 22:00.18 | liable | hehe, like the little bit about the web server at the bottom of the page of the filesystem benchmark page :) |
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| 22:01.14 | liable | tuv: run without x for a day :) |
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| 22:01.51 | zzz | Hi! Is it posibble to change my login password without interaction? |
| 22:01.53 | tuv | liable, and then?? |
| 22:02.12 | Dabian | zzz, Imagine that everything is possible. |
| 22:02.13 | liable | tuv: what? see if it hangs. |
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| 22:02.36 | zzz | Dabian: ok, i imagine it :- ), but how can i do it? |
| 22:02.40 | azeem | Dabian: can you actually be helpful as well? |
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| 22:03.39 | stew | zzz: you could edit /etc/shadow directly, but use extreme caution if you do. you can generate hashes of a passwd with mkpasswd -H md5 (man mkpasswd) |
| 22:03.47 | Dabian | azeem : Mostly I am just "funny" (read: annoying as heck!) |
| 22:03.58 | Dabian | azeem :-) |
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| 22:04.03 | azeem | Dabian: why don't you try that in #debian-offtopic? |
| 22:04.17 | azeem | most other people in here try to either ask question or do support |
| 22:04.30 | Dabian | azeem : I didn't know that channel. |
| 22:04.36 | GyrosGeier | hm |
| 22:04.36 | zzz | stew: yes, i have this idea in my mind, but i forgot to tell: as a user. So like passwd < file, where file stores the old passwd, and two times the new one, but it doesn' t work for me, so like that any way? |
| 22:04.44 | Dabian | azeem : Its very new. |
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| 22:05.07 | GyrosGeier | does anyone have experience with dm-crypt? |
| 22:05.12 | azeem | Dabian: it's been around for a while |
| 22:05.23 | Dabian | azeem, How many years? |
| 22:05.46 | PlutoniumDragon | Does anyone know how to mount a raid 1 array using the shell on the install CD? |
| 22:05.48 | liable | tuv: otherwise, try memtest or compile something big or something that make your graohics card work hard. |
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| 22:06.21 | stew | zzz: i don't know a way |
| 22:06.31 | Pegger | does anyone here use round cube web mail??? |
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| 22:07.40 | kepht | is bzip installable on stable, or is it replaced by bzip2 ? |
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| 22:07.50 | zzz | stew: maybe i have to write a c program, which take the old and the new passwd, and will it give to the passwd program, |
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| 22:07.51 | Dabian | kepht : Why not use bzip2? |
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| 22:08.03 | zzz | but how can it give it to it? |
| 22:08.11 | kepht | it is a question forwarded to me, Dabian |
| 22:08.21 | Dabian | zzz, many ways .. could code a c-program and make SUID. |
| 22:08.28 | azeem | kepht: I don't think bzip ever existed in any relevant form to us |
| 22:08.36 | kepht | interesting, ok |
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| 22:09.27 | Olrik | hiyas |
| 22:09.34 | zzz | Dabian: I think it' s better to use the official passwd program to avoid inconsistention. |
| 22:09.43 | Olrik | is there a quick way to install all the packages I need for synaptic? |
| 22:09.53 | azeem | Olrik: apt-get install synaptic |
| 22:10.17 | Olrik | bleh, keeps telling me I need all these libs |
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| 22:10.35 | azeem | Olrik: it's probably right |
| 22:10.39 | Olrik | lol |
| 22:10.43 | Lucubrator | does anyone have a hint that what could be the problem when debian unstable suddenly would like to remove like ~150 packages including firefox and stuff which I wouldn't go even removing in my wet dreams? I lastly run update on 11th of April I guess |
| 22:10.43 | azeem | Olrik: synaptic is a GNOME program |
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| 22:10.55 | Olrik | yeah, I'm running gnome |
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| 22:11.13 | azeem | Olrik: if you're already running it, it should install *that* many libs |
| 22:11.15 | gpm | when i try to run xfontsel i get "Error: Widget field13 has zero width and/or height" ... why? |
| 22:11.22 | gpm | nothing on bts |
| 22:11.40 | azeem | Lucubrator: broken dependencies maybe |
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| 22:12.00 | stu7 | ummm... does Sarge keep a log file showing, for instance, last programs installed ... or maybe, an install history ? |
| 22:12.11 | Lucubrator | azeem, is it a bad problem (in other words, hard to fix)? :/ |
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| 22:12.27 | liable | stu7: if you use aptitude, yes. otherwise, no. |
| 22:12.37 | tuv | liable, does glxgears make my graphics card work hard? |
| 22:12.40 | azeem | Lucubrator: if you cannot upload a fixed package to the Debian archive, it's impossible to fix for you I guess |
| 22:12.45 | zzz | Does anybody know which deb contains the passwd program? I bet something base, but which one? |
| 22:12.54 | stu7 | liable... so, aptitude has a history log ? |
| 22:12.57 | liable | tuv: i would imagine. or play a 3d game. |
| 22:12.58 | azeem | Lucubrator: you could figure out the exact problem and then see what can be done, maybe |
| 22:13.02 | liable | stu7: yeah |
| 22:13.12 | stu7 | liable, cool...thx... never seen that |
| 22:13.13 | grendelson | How do I get the intel_agp and agpgart modules to stop loading? I have the xorg .conf set to use the nvagp driver but the agpgartkernel module loads first? Is there a modules.conf or modules setting for it? |
| 22:13.52 | zzz | Maybe base-passwd ... . |
| 22:14.11 | grendelson | the agpgart modules seems to be used by both intel_agp and nvidia, but I would prefer to try to nvagp which doesnt get loaded until xorg.conf gets read? |
| 22:14.18 | hachre | Alot of ppl keep saying your data gets corrupted more easily in a power failure when using XFS rather than ReiserFS or JFS. Can someone explain to me why JFS is more secure in this relation? |
| 22:14.29 | Lucubrator | azeem okay, thanks, as I said I run lastly update with dselect on 11th of this month, I came back to home on thursday and recognized the big amount of packages which were suddenly moved to the to-be-removed-section |
| 22:14.49 | azeem | Lucubrator: don't upgrade then |
| 22:14.59 | azeem | Lucubrator: or just run apt-get upgrade, which does not add or remove packages |
| 22:15.00 | liable | or dist-upgrade. |
| 22:15.07 | stu7 | hachre... was it by any chance, Paul Reiser who told you that ? :) |
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| 22:15.17 | zzz | hehe, with apt-get can i only download a package AS a normal user? |
| 22:15.18 | Lucubrator | heh, yea I wouldn't |
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| 22:15.26 | Lucubrator | don't wanna lose all the important programs :) |
| 22:15.33 | azeem | Lucubrator: apt-get upgrade will tell you which packages are being kept back |
| 22:15.34 | tuv | hachre, xfs does a lot of caching |
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| 22:15.40 | hachre | stu7: lol no :) it was some guy in here who left a couple of mins ago :) |
| 22:15.41 | JoshH | almost every anecdote about data loss i have heard has been with reiserfs |
| 22:15.44 | hachre | stu7: his personal experience |
| 22:15.48 | azeem | Lucubrator: you can run apt-get install <package> on those you want individually |
| 22:15.53 | hachre | stu7: do you mean hans reiser btw? :P |
| 22:15.59 | azeem | Lucubrator: but keep an eye on what it wants to add/remove |
| 22:16.13 | Lucubrator | sure, I will :) |
| 22:16.22 | stu7 | hachre... just kidding... ya... dot vud be Hans :-) |
| 22:16.24 | bucky | hans reiser lost my lugage one time |
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| 22:16.33 | hachre | :) |
| 22:16.40 | JoshH | hachre: i have a box with xfs that gets improperly powered off a LOT, sometimes several times per day, and there has never been an FS issue |
| 22:16.40 | the_empty | reiserfs gets a bad rap |
| 22:16.50 | lunaphyte | how can i determine what driver a 3ware ide card will use before i install it? |
| 22:16.51 | hachre | JoshH: no lost data either? |
| 22:16.56 | JoshH | nope |
| 22:17.07 | hachre | JoshH: do you actually write to it often? :) |
| 22:17.12 | the_empty | JoshH, call yourself lucky- most filesystems hate that |
| 22:17.18 | bucky | reiserfs is ok if you just re-install once a year anyway |
| 22:17.24 | stu7 | lunaphyte... read the brochure that came with it ? |
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| 22:17.58 | JoshH | the only box that i have problems with is a known faulty HD, and all that ever happens is i sometimes get hard locks, and then some files have "unknown error 990", and i have to us xfs_repair, then everything is fine again |
| 22:18.07 | maher | anyone know anyone who sells computers with debian installed in London, uk? |
| 22:18.21 | JoshH | until the next time |
| 22:18.24 | the_empty | hachre: while true; do sync; done |
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| 22:18.29 | liable | maher: try asking a local lug? |
| 22:18.40 | hachre | the_empty: hehe |
| 22:18.43 | stu7 | maher... if you cant find one, its easy to do |
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| 22:18.48 | Dabian | maher : Give me a computer, and I'll put debian on it for £1000 |
| 22:18.59 | hachre | the_empty: i dont think that would leave me with much speed :D |
| 22:19.15 | maher | stu7: its not easy for my mum |
| 22:19.20 | the_empty | well if the box gets powered a few times a day... |
| 22:19.32 | stu7 | maher... even a mum can do it :-) |
| 22:19.49 | ApEtc | maher: No possibility that you do it and deliver/ship it? |
| 22:19.52 | Dabian | maher : My dad installed sarge himself .. I only had to help him 2 times. |
| 22:20.04 | Dabian | maher : One time when the nic he had was physically broken |
| 22:20.06 | maher | ApEtc: i'm in canada... |
| 22:20.09 | hachre | the_empty: well in my case it wouldnt be that often |
| 22:20.15 | hachre | the_empty: but i wanna be prepared for all cases |
| 22:20.19 | Dabian | maher : and when we found out the danish mirrors were broken. |
| 22:20.22 | hachre | the_empty: it will have alot of data on it |
| 22:20.41 | Dabian | maher : ahh .. I forgot .. I also had to help him choose danish. |
| 22:20.42 | JoshH | hachre: in my experience, XFS is extremely reliable. never used JFS or reiser, but heard lots of bad reiser stories, so make of that what you will. |
| 22:20.59 | Stevie | blah |
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| 22:21.10 | the_empty | my personal reiser fs experiences: been using it in a datacenter on over 30 machines for busy busy qmail queues for several years and have not lost one yet |
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| 22:21.38 | oskie | some M$ dude said that Windows Server 2003 Datacenter edition costs a million dollar or so... linux: zero cost |
| 22:21.40 | stu7 | sometimes, after an unexpected power out, I find Windoze installed on my computer instead of debian :-) |
| 22:21.46 | hachre | the_empty: ive been using reiser till now too |
| 22:21.51 | hachre | the_empty: but im having a random bug now |
| 22:21.54 | lunaphyte | stu7: there is no mention of what linux kernel driver would be used. |
| 22:21.57 | hachre | the_empty: reiser support seams horrible |
| 22:22.00 | hachre | seems* |
| 22:22.09 | lunaphyte | stu7: that i can find, anyway. |
| 22:22.14 | hachre | the_empty: and reiserfsck cant find anything wrong |
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| 22:22.39 | stu7 | lunaphyte... otherwise, you COULD install the card, and see what drive it auto-installs ? |
| 22:22.40 | liable | lunaphyte: google the model. the newer ones dont have support in the kernel, but there are drivers available. |
| 22:22.49 | stu7 | drive == driver |
| 22:23.20 | lunaphyte | this is a bit older card, i know it works with the kernel, i'm trying to avoid multiple reboots if possible. |
| 22:23.21 | liable | may be supported in latest kernels |
| 22:23.43 | gpm | when i try to run xfontsel i get "Error: Widget field13 has zero width and/or height" ... why? |
| 22:23.48 | liable | lunaphyte: if you know it works, whats the problem? |
| 22:23.59 | lunaphyte | i need to compile it's driver as a module, so i can load it later. |
| 22:24.21 | liable | its driver is a module, in the debian kernel |
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| 22:24.46 | nichos | is there something like fetchmail,that will poll for local delivery, but delete after X days on the server? |
| 22:25.35 | lunaphyte | my impression was that this particular driver isn't currently compiled as a module. since i can't boot off of the mb ide ports if the card is installed. |
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| 22:26.04 | lunaphyte | maybe i'm barking up the wrong tree |
| 22:26.27 | valdyn | lunaphyte: not all pci cards work nicely with others |
| 22:26.46 | valdyn | lunaphyte: you could try a different slot for that card |
| 22:26.56 | lunaphyte | that's a thought. |
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| 22:28.06 | liable | lunaphyte: even better idea. send me that pesky 3ware card. i will deal with it :) |
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| 22:28.41 | abrotman | lunaphyte: check the BIOS .. some have manual IRQ intervention |
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| 22:30.48 | special1 | hi |
| 22:30.54 | grendelson | Sorry I was AFK but didnot change nic - I was wondering how Imight keep the agpgart module from loading? |
| 22:30.54 | Dabian | tarzeau : I am asking you to join #debian-offtopic. |
| 22:31.27 | valdyn | grendelson: move it away or blacklist it |
| 22:31.28 | grendelson | By the time the nvagp driver tries to load intel_agp and nvidia have already started using agpgart... |
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| 22:31.51 | grendelson | valdyn : Ah that's it. How do I blacklist? IS taht in /etc/modules? |
| 22:31.53 | ^Duffy^ | hi all, whats the easiest method of cleaning up the users/groups on a debian server? |
| 22:31.55 | valdyn | grendelson: umm, nvidia wont load intel_agp |
| 22:32.07 | valdyn | grendelson: but agpgart uses intel_agp |
| 22:32.17 | grendelson | valdyn :No i meant when I lsmod intel_agp and nvidia are both using agpgart... |
| 22:32.36 | valdyn | grendelson: i see |
| 22:32.40 | valdyn | grendelson: that is correct i think |
| 22:32.52 | grendelson | valdyn :So when I try to rmmod agpgart I cant since intel_agp is using it... |
| 22:33.12 | valdyn | grendelson: nothing wrong with that |
| 22:33.44 | grendelson | valdyn : But to get nvagp to load I need to keep agpgart from loading... |
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| 22:33.58 | valdyn | grendelson: and you need to keep intel_agp from loading too |
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| 22:34.13 | grendelson | valdyn : I woudl guess so. And nvidia module as well... |
| 22:34.22 | valdyn | grendelson: uh? |
| 22:34.23 | pizze | hi good night at all |
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| 22:34.58 | valdyn | grendelson: nvagp works alone with just nvidia and no other module, if you dont use nvagp you need all 3 modules |
| 22:35.00 | grendelson | valdyn : Perhaps the nvidia module doesn't actually load unitl gdm starts up and tries to load |
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| 22:35.37 | valdyn | grendelson: just blacklist or move away agpgart.ko and intel_agp.ko |
| 22:35.37 | grendelson | valdyn : Oh OK , So I still am a bit unsure how to keep intel_agp adn agpgart from loading? |
| 22:35.48 | valdyn | grendelson: mv isnt to bad |
| 22:35.50 | grendelson | valdyn Blacklist? |
| 22:35.59 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 22:36.00 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:36.02 | grendelson | valdyn : Renameing them OK? |
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| 22:36.11 | valdyn | grendelson: yea |
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| 22:38.31 | pmiller9 | what Xserver is in Sarge r2? testing? |
| 22:38.48 | matadon | If I'm using the linux-vserver package, and I want to set up a virtual LAN for all of my vservers, do I use the dummy interface, or...? |
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| 22:39.27 | valdyn | matadon: tun probably |
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| 22:40.18 | valdyn | matadon: I dont really know vserver, if it implements a 'virtual' nic it should be a tunX on the other side |
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| 22:40.27 | Niklas_E | is there any deb file for ati's drivers? |
| 22:40.52 | grendelson | valdyn : thanks _ i added nvidia intel_agp and agpgart to blacklist nad the last 2 to skip in discover.cof |
| 22:40.56 | valdyn | Niklas_E: ati's .run installer can generate debs |
| 22:41.00 | grendelson | I'll try to reboot again! |
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| 22:41.04 | stew | pmiller9: sarge has xfree 4.3, etch currently has xorg 6.9 |
| 22:41.21 | abrotman | 4.4-crappystuff |
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| 22:52.19 | ^Duffy^ | I have a server running Debian Sarge. When I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, it removed the old apache-common. But when it tried to remove libapache-mod-dav, it wouldnt because of some script failure .. Are there any solutions to this ? |
| 22:53.24 | Niklas_E | if you compiled a a source (not from apt-get) and wanna install it. is there any easyerway the the dh_make...... strace..... |
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| 22:56.13 | miki2 | does default dbian got 'genkernel' installed? |
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| 23:00.54 | PlutoniumDragon | Is there a kernel image package for amd64 > 2.6.8? I can onlt see 2.6.8 images on packages.debian.org but I need a 2.6.11 or greater one :( |
| 23:01.38 | miki2 | try unstable? |
| 23:01.41 | miki2 | or testing? |
| 23:01.48 | PlutoniumDragon | miki2: I'm searching 'all' on the site |
| 23:02.01 | pmiller9 | does opengl work in testing? |
| 23:02.07 | miki2 | i dont have a64, so i dunno |
| 23:02.42 | pablo_ | pmiller9, yes |
| 23:02.53 | pmiller9 | pablo_: nvidia? |
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| 23:03.03 | pablo_ | ati & nvidia |
| 23:03.43 | liable | miki2: did you fix your kernel? |
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| 23:05.39 | miki2 | liable: not yet, im trying to win with udev |
| 23:06.30 | miki2 | liable: i selected most/all hotplug options when i made first one, but still im getting 'Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd' |
| 23:06.34 | miki2 | then its stuck |
| 23:07.02 | miki2 | but 2.6.16.9 from kernel.org seems to detec my vid card and modem/usb by default, so im happy |
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| 23:07.48 | liable | miki2: you could always remove udev |
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| 23:08.46 | miki2 | liable: yes, but i heared that it will replace devfs completly soon, so im trying to config it first |
| 23:09.11 | Supaplex | !nuke devfs |
| 23:09.12 | miki2 | im just courious do i need to add 'dev=udev' to my grub command line, or is it done autmatically by kernel |
| 23:09.21 | mick_work | hey everyone, i have a quick question about crointab |
| 23:09.34 | Supaplex | !tell mick_work -about ask |
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| 23:10.06 | liable | miki2: you shouldnt need that on your kernel line. where did you getthat idea? |
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| 23:10.24 | fusspils | trying to install dri and get error....FATAL: Error inserting i810 (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i810.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknow$ |
| 23:10.26 | mick_work | 30 * * * * bash foo.sh <--- will this run a crontab entry every 30 minutes? |
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| 23:10.40 | mick_work | 0,30 * * * * bash foo.sh <--- or will this run a crontab entry every 30 minutes? |
| 23:10.43 | miki2 | liable: i had one problem tho with kernel compiling, i ran mrproper before and then after 70min of compiling i didnt get new *.deb package nor anything else and i was pissed |
| 23:10.50 | unstable | Where can I get binary nvidia drivers? |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | mick_work: you can do */30 i believe .. |
| 23:11.03 | miki2 | ./join #nvidia |
| 23:11.31 | mick_work | abrotman, :-/ |
| 23:11.38 | pablo_ | fusspils: do you have this module installed? |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | mick_work: what? |
| 23:12.14 | godmachine81 | out of curiosity how long has installinux.com been around?? this thing coulda came in handy years ago for me |
| 23:12.18 | fusspils | pablo: how can I check that? |
| 23:12.30 | miki2 | liable: did u had any udev problems when switching from 2.4.x(or anything) to 2.6.x ? |
| 23:12.30 | mick_work | nothing |
| 23:12.38 | abrotman | godmachine81: whois installinux.com |
| 23:12.47 | mick_work | this is opinion #3 that i'm balancing out |
| 23:12.58 | Supaplex | mick_work: specify full paths in crontabs. it'll save your $tail |
| 23:13.07 | mick_work | i know |
| 23:13.15 | liable | miki2: i have had many udev problems, but not the one you are havibg :) |
| 23:13.23 | pablo_ | fusspils: just cd to that directory and ls to see what's in it |
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| 23:13.28 | mick_work | it was just to get the other part sorted out |
| 23:13.43 | ultimated | i tried to start pure-ftpd but it won't start.... |
| 23:13.48 | fusspils | pablo: looks like driver files |
| 23:13.50 | miki2 | liable: and what u did to olve? rebuild kernel again? that line comes from some faq btw |
| 23:13.53 | lars_ | Hva anyone installed kqemu with luck? Are there any good info on Debian and kqemu that I don't find out there? Thanx :) |
| 23:14.24 | abrotman | ultimated: be less vague |
| 23:14.34 | miki2 | liable: cuz some guy wroted that he had problems while switching from 2.4.x to 2.6.x |
| 23:14.45 | lars_ | ultimated: proftpd is a good one :) |
| 23:14.46 | pablo_ | fusspils: which driver? |
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| 23:15.15 | liable | miki2: no, mine have just been bugs in udev. no kernel compiles needed. |
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| 23:15.22 | fusspils | pablo: it has the 810 one which is the thing I need i think, and some others like sis.ko, via.ko etc |
| 23:15.22 | ultimated | lars_ i am using pure-ftpd |
| 23:15.41 | ultimated | lars_ for some reason it keeps shutting down.. :( |
| 23:15.48 | fusspils | pablo: and dri-old.i810.ko |
| 23:16.12 | miki2 | liable: ah, but linux started, yup? mine is just freezing at that part without any reaction |
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| 23:17.24 | miki2 | liable: i was forced to config everything from scratch tho, so i expected to recompile it sience im pretty bad at configuring kernel |
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| 23:18.46 | ultimated | anyone? |
| 23:19.00 | ultimated | having trouble starting pure-ftpd... |
| 23:19.21 | pablo_ | fusspils: strange in checked my files (2.6.15) and i have this file. sure you got all the sources right? |
| 23:19.24 | valdyn | ultimated: and the log sais what? |
| 23:19.32 | miki2 | btw, can i manually edit .config file before making kernel? sience i cant find one options in menuconfig... |
| 23:19.32 | godmachine81 | abrotman: i meant instalinux.com |
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| 23:19.56 | ultimated | valdyn 1 sec.. |
| 23:20.17 | liable | miki2: what is this url you are talking about? |
| 23:20.31 | fusspils | pablo: is there any one source that i should have? im using 2.6.16 btw |
| 23:20.35 | valdyn | miki2: why do you not use a debian kernel? |
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| 23:20.40 | abrotman | godmachine81: whois instalinux.com |
| 23:20.41 | ultimated | valdyn transfer.log is empty |
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| 23:20.43 | becks` | [Movie] Earthlings - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/ - http://mirror.roland-kaufmann.ch/Earthlings.avi |
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| 23:20.56 | valdyn | ultimated: sure it is, what about /var/log/messages |
| 23:21.10 | pablo_ | fusspils, you should have the whole source from your kernel |
| 23:21.23 | valdyn | ultimated: 'netstat -plunt | grep 21' could be interesting too |
| 23:21.25 | Bac0n | solved my problem with mkinitrd ... error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2 ..... changed LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4 to LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.32 |
| 23:21.25 | fusspils | pablo: modprobe i810 results in FATAL: Error inserting i810 (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i810.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 23:21.44 | ultimated | valdyn ok let me check |
| 23:21.48 | Bac0n | if some else gets this error |
| 23:22.01 | fusspils | pablo: sorry for being such a noob but how do I check about the whole source? |
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| 23:22.13 | godmachine81 | abrotman: can you check it out? its pretty cool it creates cd img's based on your input from the web.. and then you can do an unattended install of several diff distributions |
| 23:22.14 | ultimated | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1521/apache |
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| 23:22.27 | miki2 | liable: i cant find it right now, but u might try to google for it |
| 23:22.28 | valdyn | ultimated: how are you starting proftpd? |
| 23:22.32 | djk_ | is there a size limit of swap that top can display? |
| 23:22.49 | ultimated | /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start |
| 23:22.50 | liable | miki2: what is the udev error? |
| 23:23.00 | stew | fusspils: did you check dmesg? |
| 23:23.05 | abrotman | godmachine81: no .. the debian installer works just fine for me |
| 23:23.13 | valdyn | ultimated: run it manually in a shell, as root |
| 23:23.15 | ultimated | valdyn /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start |
| 23:23.29 | ultimated | umm sorry how? i am in root |
| 23:23.30 | miki2 | liable: 'Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd' , no eror after this just tuck |
| 23:23.31 | miki2 | stuck |
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| 23:23.48 | stew | miki2: why are you using udev? are you a gnome user? |
| 23:23.58 | miki2 | stew: nope, kde.. |
| 23:24.01 | fusspils | stew: just did and got lots of unknown symbols eg/i810: Unknown symbol drm_init |
| 23:24.08 | valdyn | ultimated: no idea how the binary is called, 'dpkg -L pureftpd | grep bin' can tell you i guess |
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| 23:24.31 | PlutoniumDragon | How do I dpkg -i lots of packages where they all depend on one another? If I do dpkg -i *deb it stops because some require other pacakges that have not yet been installed |
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| 23:24.42 | miki2 | should i remove devfs from my system before compiling 2.6.x kernel with udev? |
| 23:24.49 | PlutoniumDragon | Is there some kind of force install option? I'm finding the man page and dpkg --force-help confusing |
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| 23:25.20 | fusspils | stew: and lots of.....eg/i810: disagrees about version of symbol drm_init |
| 23:25.23 | godmachine81 | abrotman: it is good if you have to install several machines at once on a network.. you specify all the specific things you want and it creates a net install img for you |
| 23:25.28 | stew | PlutoniumDragon: just dpkg -i *.deb; it will partially install them; then run apt-get -f install ; and it will fetch the missing dependencies |
| 23:25.40 | pablo_ | fusspils, did you compiled that modules before modprobing it? |
| 23:25.53 | abrotman | godmachine81: really .. not interested .. i'm smart enough to make my own |
| 23:25.57 | godmachine81 | abrotman: of course i guess your going to say that you can use the debian installer with a shell script that you write |
| 23:26.01 | stew | pablo_: he appears to be running a debian compiled kernel |
| 23:26.06 | neoxan | guten morgen :) |
| 23:26.09 | stew | fusspils: try "depmod -a" maybe? |
| 23:26.11 | ultimated | valdyn umm here: http://pastebin.com/674385 |
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| 23:26.22 | fusspils | pablo: dont think so, how do i do that? |
| 23:26.25 | godmachine81 | abrotman: it still uses the debian installer and apt and does everything.. it just makes that shell script for you and saves ya some "geek" time |
| 23:26.28 | PlutoniumDragon | stew: This box has no net connection which is why I'm doing this :-) |
| 23:26.30 | stew | fusspils: you dont |
| 23:26.33 | Slaughter | hi gents |
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| 23:26.42 | valdyn | ultimated: try running 'pure-ftpd' in a shell |
| 23:27.02 | Slaughter | how i can hate debian and same time i use debian |
| 23:27.03 | PlutoniumDragon | stew: Is there some kind of 'I want package X download that package and all dependancies' apt option I can use on my laptop to get everything I need to transfer to it? |
| 23:27.37 | ultimated | valdyn ok.. after i press enter it just shows a green cursor and no response.. |
| 23:27.53 | miki2 | liable: im going to compile soon, did u found anything about that error? |
| 23:28.28 | abrotman | godmachine81: really .. don't care :) |
| 23:28.45 | pablo_ | fusspils: what does dmesg says? |
| 23:28.52 | fusspils | stew: tried that same thing. im trying to do it through these dri sh files....http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/ |
| 23:28.55 | liable | miki2: nothing helpfull. |
| 23:29.29 | fusspils | pablo: lots of errors, for example...i810: Unknown symbol drm_init |
| 23:29.42 | ultimated | valdyn ok.. after i press enter it just shows a green cursor and no response.. |
| 23:29.45 | godmachine81 | abrotman: you asked "who" is the URL i asked about.. i asked a question about how long it had been around.. i didnt ask if you cared or not about it.. i was just telling you "who" it was. = ) |
| 23:29.47 | Azar | Slaughter: it used to be like that for me too, in my first year |
| 23:29.56 | abrotman | godmachine81: no .. i gave you a command |
| 23:30.01 | stew | fusspils: oh wait, are you dropping new .ko files into /lib/modules that weren't there already? |
| 23:30.12 | Azar | it is only human to get mad at the unknown |
| 23:30.30 | stew | PlutoniumDragon: apt-get -d install packagename just downloads packages and their dependencies and puts them into /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:30.33 | fusspils | stew: I think they were already there? they are there now |
| 23:30.42 | godmachine81 | ok abrotman |
| 23:30.44 | PlutoniumDragon | stew: Great thanks |
| 23:31.06 | godmachine81 | no need to argue over something so stupid... |
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| 23:32.46 | miki2 | aight, im going to compile it now... brb in 1 hour or so |
| 23:32.48 | liable | miki2: are you still making an initrd? |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | godmachine81: i wasn't arguing |
| 23:33.06 | valdyn | ultimated: run 'pure-ftpd -d' in a shell and look at /var/log/messages and try to log into that ftp server |
| 23:33.06 | fusspils | stew: should i delete the ones that are there then run the script again? |
| 23:33.16 | stew | fusspils: what script? |
| 23:33.23 | miki2 | liable: nope, 1) make-kpkg --initrd makes it well 2) 2.6.16.9 kernel runs well without it |
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| 23:33.54 | fusspils | stew: from this site...http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/ |
| 23:33.56 | liable | miki2: so you arent using the --initrd option? |
| 23:33.59 | miki2 | liable: only problem is that i cant make initrd for specific kernel image, i must recompile it completly |
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| 23:34.04 | PlutoniumDragon | Is there a way to force the architecture apt uses? I need to download an amd64 package but I'm trying to do it on my laptop which uses a pentium M and so it is not showing me the package I want |
| 23:34.11 | stew | fusspils: why are you running that script? |
| 23:34.21 | tombs | hi all |
| 23:34.24 | miki2 | liable: yes, but i was forced to recompile kernel to just get image.. :( i got it still tho |
| 23:34.35 | liable | miki2: dont use intrd |
| 23:34.40 | fusspils | stew: problems after going to xorg7 |
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| 23:34.52 | miki2 | liable: yes, i know newer kernels dont need it |
| 23:35.00 | liable | miki2: compile your chipset drivers in, and your filesystem ones, and see how you go |
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| 23:35.26 | liable | miki2: mkinitramfs and udev have been having problems playing together, read bts for udev |
| 23:35.31 | Linuhx | Is apt better than yum? and if so, in which ways? |
| 23:35.32 | vtired | can this be seen? |
| 23:35.48 | Thrawn | why isnt vlc or videolan not in etch, but is int stable or unstable, grr... Is there a non-official source for etch videolan/vlc ? |
| 23:35.50 | vtired | Linuhx: in every way imaginable |
| 23:35.59 | Linuhx | vtired: why? |
| 23:36.01 | miki2 | liable: yes, but i disabled initrd from grub for that kernel and i had exacly same problem, so i know that its not causing it |
| 23:36.08 | valdyn | Linuhx: debian has the largest software repository there is, all in there is installable via apt-get |
| 23:36.10 | fusspils | stew: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7. the bit about dri with i915 |
| 23:36.24 | vtired | Linuhx: roughly 20 x times the speed, roughly 10 x the stability |
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| 23:36.48 | Linuhx | vtired: alot more things go wrong with my deb box though :( |
| 23:36.49 | vtired | Linuhx: and MUCH easier to use |
| 23:37.12 | vtired | Linuhx: my debs stable is invincible :) |
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| 23:37.44 | Linuhx | vtired: So with stable I can poke around at things and not worry about an error at boot? :P |
| 23:37.46 | miki2 | ok... 'off we go' |
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| 23:37.49 | miki2 | cya in 60min |
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| 23:38.04 | rodrigo | hola |
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| 23:38.15 | mori | how make for mount dvd ? |
| 23:38.28 | vtired | Linuhx: do you know what vtired stands for? |
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| 23:38.40 | Linuhx | vtired: Very tired |
| 23:38.44 | vtired | yeah ;) |
| 23:38.46 | PlutoniumDragon | mori: mount /dev/hda1 (or cdrom or dvd or hdb1 hdc1...) /mnt/place |
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| 23:39.05 | mori | PlutoniumDragon thanks |
| 23:40.06 | PlutoniumDragon | mori: np |
| 23:40.21 | Stevie | hello... I reconfigured exim4 as an 'internet site' (I have no "smarthost" to help me), and now it won't deliver mail locally |
| 23:41.17 | vtired | um, I'm trying to get a woody to sarge, but first I need to get dns resolving working: root@box:/# ping www.google.com ping: unknown host www.google.com |
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| 23:41.40 | Stevie | vtired: cat /etc/resolv.conf and put it into http://rafb.net/paste |
| 23:42.20 | vtired | no need for pastebin, only one line: nameserver 72.29.68.220 |
| 23:42.51 | Stevie | ip route get to 72.29.68.220 |
| 23:43.02 | vtired | ? |
| 23:43.06 | Stevie | type that command |
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| 23:43.36 | vtired | bash: ip: command not found |
| 23:43.39 | Stevie | bah |
| 23:43.42 | Stevie | no iproute package? |
| 23:43.49 | vtired | no apt-get lol |
| 23:43.54 | vtired | well it is there |
| 23:43.59 | Stevie | just doesn't work? :D |
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| 23:44.05 | vtired | just cant resolve the dns of the server |
| 23:44.14 | Stevie | try this: apt-cache policy iproute |
| 23:44.21 | vtired | encouragingly, ping [googles ip] works |
| 23:44.37 | Stevie | what version? |
| 23:44.51 | vtired | I think I better pastebin this one |
| 23:44.56 | Stevie | that'll be fine |
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| 23:45.11 | pmiller9 | what's a good partitioning program to move/resize a reiserfs partion? |
| 23:45.14 | Toothpick | I am getting some diversion error when trying to remove a package. |
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| 23:45.23 | Toothpick | How can I force removal and remove all diversions? |
| 23:45.29 | vtired | Stevie: http://pastebin.com/674427 |
| 23:45.29 | Stevie | no idea |
| 23:45.43 | Stevie | okay, what's that site with like every debian package ever? |
| 23:45.54 | maher | Stevie: snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:45.59 | Azar | debian.org? |
| 23:46.02 | pmiller9 | Toothpick: there's a text file in /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 23:46.20 | vtired | Stevie: so am I going to add that site to /etc/hosts? |
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| 23:48.21 | Stevie | bleh |
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| 23:48.32 | Stevie | vtired: not at the moment, i can't find it |
| 23:48.40 | Stevie | vtired: how about pastebinning 'route -n' output |
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| 23:50.07 | Azar | vtired: dns settings in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:50.45 | Miesco | How can I run azureus as root, its a GUI program and I need to be root to update with it |
| 23:50.58 | zinx | don't |
| 23:50.59 | vtired | Stevie: bash: route: command not found |
| 23:51.08 | Stevie | vtired: as root? |
| 23:51.11 | Azar | Miesco: su |
| 23:51.12 | zinx | use debian to update it or install it w/ your user |
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| 23:51.28 | vtired | also, I got apt-get update to work, by adding my in-country mirror to debian |
| 23:51.40 | Miesco | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:51.41 | vtired | *to debian = to /etc/hosts |
| 23:51.43 | Miesco | Thats what happen if I use su |
| 23:51.54 | minerale | I recently installed etch ( I had a 2.6 sarge ) ... whoa, gnome is so much slower... not to mention that "change login settings" screen does not work ( it restarts the x server ) |
| 23:52.01 | vtired | and then updating /etc/sources.list accordingly |
| 23:52.03 | Miesco | Azar: What do I do? |
| 23:52.04 | vtired | as root |
| 23:52.06 | Azar | Miesco: you sit as user and get access to root with su |
| 23:52.18 | Stevie | vtired: you tried to run 'route' as root? |
| 23:52.21 | Miesco | Azar: How would I do that? |
| 23:52.25 | Azar | Miesco: at "su" command you are invited to enter root password |
| 23:52.26 | vtired | yes, but there is no route |
| 23:52.26 | pmiller9 | is there a way to renumber partitions? |
| 23:52.35 | Stevie | vtired: You have to have route |
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| 23:52.49 | Stevie | vtired: Try 'netstat -rn' |
| 23:52.56 | Miesco | Azar: I did that |
| 23:52.58 | vtired | root@box:/# route |
| 23:52.58 | vtired | bash: route: command not found |
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| 23:53.13 | Azar | Miesco: in any one terminal you can open a window as pseudo-root |
| 23:53.35 | vtired | Stevie, do you want that netstat output? |
| 23:53.39 | Stevie | vtired: yes please |
| 23:53.45 | SimonRaven | vtired: your PATH is fucked. try /sbin/route |
| 23:54.04 | Miesco | Azar: pseudo-root? |
| 23:54.17 | vtired | wait! /sbin/route worked |
| 23:54.22 | Toothpick | pmiller9: edting those files looks dangerous. |
| 23:54.23 | Azar | Miesco: you can perform maintenance "as if" you were root |
| 23:54.31 | Miesco | Azar: How do I do that? |
| 23:54.37 | Stevie | /sbin/route should output the same thing as netstat -rn |
| 23:55.01 | vtired | yeah, it looked the same |
| 23:55.14 | stew | Stevie: you mean /sbin/route -n :) |
| 23:55.15 | Azar | Miesco: open one command line terminal: xterm for example or what you have. Type at bash prompt : su then enter root password |
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| 23:55.29 | vtired | "the path is fixed" |
| 23:55.32 | Stevie | whatever |
| 23:55.41 | Stevie | vtired: just pastebin it |
| 23:55.47 | minerale | minerale: locate the file you launch for azureus, and (as root) type chmod +s azeureus.jar // |
| 23:55.48 | pmiller9 | Toothpick: probably is... but it'll work |
| 23:55.52 | Azar | Miesco: from there you can perform any maintenance at command line |
| 23:56.27 | Azar | Miesco: what ^^^ what minerale say |
| 23:56.35 | Toothpick | pmiller ok |
| 23:56.50 | Toothpick | I want to get rid of one stubborn package fglrx-driver |
| 23:56.55 | vtired | One IP routing table.. coming up, http://pastebin.com/674441 |
| 23:57.18 | Stevie | ... |
| 23:57.22 | Stevie | that's odd |
| 23:57.28 | Stevie | how are you getting out to the internet? |
| 23:57.42 | vtired | Stevie: I have no idea, its a remote box |
| 23:57.49 | Miesco | I just went to meny->Run Command->Options -> Run as different user |
| 23:57.52 | Stevie | ... what? |
| 23:57.58 | *** join/#debian nekostar (i=nekostar@cpe-66-75-65-86.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 762] by debhelper |
| 23:58.03 | *** join/#debian frogos (n=user@84-51-153-82.stephe491.adsl.metronet.co.uk) |
| 23:58.10 | Stevie | What are you doing? |
| 23:58.14 | Poppy31 | salut |
| 23:58.21 | Stevie | salut |
| 23:58.23 | Poppy31 | sa va |
| 23:58.32 | Stevie | pour francais c'est #debian.fr, je crois |
| 23:58.38 | Stevie | (croix?) |
| 23:58.40 | Poppy31 | tu parle francai |
| 23:58.45 | Stevie | un peut |
| 23:58.55 | vtired | Stevie: I pay these internet hosting guys to host my debian virtual server, and I login through ssh |
| 23:59.02 | Stevie | vtired: ahh, okay |
| 23:59.11 | Stevie | In ZA? |
| 23:59.12 | Stevie | !za |
| 23:59.12 | dpkg | za is, like, <za> my root password is lmM.sohT , or the Windows mascot. <deadcat> za: sick bastard hehe <Phated> za: Sick bastard. <scarynetworkguy> za: yes yes it was you. BTW DON"T EVER MESSAGE ME AGAIN YOU FUCKHEAD |
| 23:59.18 | Poppy31 | ok |
| 23:59.31 | Stevie | err |
| 23:59.37 | Stevie | Country name for ZA is South Africa |
| 23:59.39 | Azar | Miesco: you probably use an iconized desktop I have no idea, the main idea is: get access to command line as user on your desktop. type su and root password, from there you can use administrative commands |
| 23:59.41 | vtired | yeah |
