| 00:00.09 | Stevie | il n'y a pas un #debian.fr |
| 00:00.16 | Stevie | hey, what would be the french #debian? |
| 00:00.28 | Azar | !fr |
| 00:00.28 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:00.34 | Stevie | ahh, #debian-fr |
| 00:01.15 | myboxen | whats a good mail app that is GNU? |
| 00:01.23 | stew | !no za is the cctld for South Africa |
| 00:01.24 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 00:01.33 | vtired | lol |
| 00:01.38 | mbishop | myboxen, gnus? |
| 00:01.42 | vtired | !and za is teh roxor |
| 00:01.42 | dpkg | okay, vtired |
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| 00:02.06 | vtired | !za |
| 00:02.06 | dpkg | it has been said that za is the cctld for South Africa |
| 00:02.06 | Stevie | lmao |
| 00:02.28 | h2k | I can't install abiword on amd64 etch - it's complaining about libenchant1c2, tho libenchant1c2a replaces it |
| 00:02.30 | stew | !za is also http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sf.html |
| 00:02.30 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 00:02.37 | stew | !forget and za |
| 00:02.38 | dpkg | stew: i didn't have anything called 'and za' to forget |
| 00:02.41 | Stevie | za za gabor |
| 00:02.50 | zinx | stew: i beat you |
| 00:02.54 | myboxen | mbishop: gnu, gpl |
| 00:03.02 | Stevie | vtired: does the machine have 'dig'? |
| 00:03.10 | stew | #win zinx |
| 00:03.10 | myboxen | I am switching to Debian from other distros |
| 00:03.27 | Stevie | what other distros? |
| 00:03.31 | Stevie | There are other distros? |
| 00:03.33 | myboxen | and thus far I have read several articles about debian, the social contract etc... |
| 00:03.43 | myboxen | and I am trying to use only GNU/GPL software. |
| 00:03.47 | vtired | Stevie: I have no idea |
| 00:03.51 | vtired | what that means |
| 00:03.55 | myboxen | Stevie: DeadRat, Mandriva |
| 00:04.10 | Stevie | vtired: well, look in /usr/bin/dig |
| 00:04.20 | stew | myboxen: it would be hard to use only gnu/gpl software, although with debian you will know it is free |
| 00:04.27 | Stevie | Okay, I get DeadRat, but what does Mandriva mean? |
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| 00:04.32 | stew | myboxen: debian ships lots of non-gpl but still free software |
| 00:04.43 | vtired | bash: cd: /usr/bin/dig: No such file or directory |
| 00:04.50 | myboxen | Stevie: http://www.mandriva.org |
| 00:04.52 | mbishop | myboxen, no, that's the name of the program, gnus |
| 00:04.56 | maher | myboxen: what about X? |
| 00:04.59 | Pegger | any one know courier that well? |
| 00:05.06 | myboxen | mbiship: ahh thank you |
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| 00:05.10 | dvs | !anyone |
| 00:05.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:05.12 | myboxen | stew: understood |
| 00:05.16 | Stevie | www.funroll-loops.net |
| 00:05.19 | jarjar26 | Hi everybody ! |
| 00:05.22 | Pegger | sorry my bad |
| 00:05.22 | stew | Pegger: if you have a real question, just ask |
| 00:05.30 | dvs | jarjar26: Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 00:05.42 | Stevie | anybody here ever use a computer? |
| 00:05.47 | vtired | nope |
| 00:05.48 | dvs | Stevie: no |
| 00:05.52 | Stevie | ;) |
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| 00:05.57 | maher | Stevie: did you mean shoot someone in the face? |
| 00:06.06 | Pegger | stew well it has to do with courier, I am putting in the correct pass and username but it cant find the directory where the mail is being stored |
| 00:06.13 | jarjar26 | My cron job doesn't send email when job finished .. how can configure cron to send mail ? |
| 00:06.38 | stew | Pegger: try $HOME/Maildir |
| 00:06.43 | action09 | !popcon |
| 00:06.44 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:06.45 | Stevie | vtired: okay, i have no idea what's wrong with your machine |
| 00:06.52 | stew | Pegger: are you authing against PAM? (i.e. using regular system accounts?) |
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| 00:07.00 | stew | Pegger: and are you using maildrop as you MDA? |
| 00:07.03 | Sonny | Hi, if I want something to be modprobed at boot... whay should I have to do? |
| 00:07.08 | seb- | name of open source java package? |
| 00:07.10 | stew | Sonny: edit /etc/modules |
| 00:07.13 | Pegger | stew not it is not using pam it is using a postgresql backend |
| 00:07.14 | vtired | Please look at the following output from woody: http://pastebin.com/674451 why is it installing NEW aptitude, when I am already using apt-get?? |
| 00:07.15 | seb- | please? pretty ? |
| 00:07.25 | stew | seb-: apt-cache show java-virtual-machine |
| 00:07.25 | Pegger | stew bash: /var/root/Maildir: No such file or directory |
| 00:07.26 | minerale | Anyone know anything I can disable to speed up gnome / X11 ? |
| 00:07.33 | dvs | vtired: because aptitude is already installed |
| 00:07.40 | PumpkinPie | how do I figure out what DNS server is being queried for an ptr record of an IP ? |
| 00:07.51 | vtired | dvs: surely it should upgrade then? |
| 00:07.55 | Pegger | PumpkinPie, you mean domain? |
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| 00:07.59 | dvs | vtired: it should |
| 00:08.04 | vtired | NEW != upgrade |
| 00:08.06 | Stevie | dig ns 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa |
| 00:08.12 | minerale | PumpkinPie: you want to know locally or in general... dnsstuff is pretty good |
| 00:08.12 | stew | Pegger: the users table shoudl have a home and a maildir column the mail is going to the $maildir directory inside the home directory |
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| 00:08.47 | stew | seb-: errr not apt-cache show, but apt-cache showpkg |
| 00:08.48 | PumpkinPie | im not trying to get a 'domain'? trying to get the name of the name server |
| 00:08.49 | vtired | is apt-get part of aptitude? |
| 00:08.58 | dvs | vtired: no |
| 00:09.01 | Stevie | PumpkinPie: dig ns 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa |
| 00:09.03 | vtired | ah |
| 00:09.03 | seb- | stew: stew: any idea which jvm runs jar files best? we got cacao, ikvm, jamvm and libikvm-native |
| 00:09.06 | maher | vtired: something is pullig in aptitude - read the depends list for each package to find out |
| 00:09.07 | stew | vtired: no they are separate, apt-get has been around longer |
| 00:09.08 | seb- | stew: thahks |
| 00:09.20 | Stevie | so anyway, my trouble for today: I reconfigured exim4 to be 'internet site' (as I have no suitable smarthost for sending mail out). now it won't deliver messages from local users to local users. how do I fix this? |
| 00:09.30 | minerale | vtired: who is your vshell from? |
| 00:09.41 | vtired | well, for what its worth, I think aptitude sucks anyways |
| 00:09.49 | vtired | minerale: you mean which company? |
| 00:09.56 | stew | seb-: sablevm or kaffe |
| 00:09.58 | stew | ? |
| 00:10.01 | maher | vtired: or use apt-rdepends to find out - don't use aptitude if you don't like it |
| 00:10.02 | dvs | !vtired++ |
| 00:10.03 | PlutoniumDragon | How can I download all the packages I need for a different AMD64 box? I'm trying apt-get -o APT::Architecture=amd64 -d install linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp but that says things like alien: Depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16) but it is not going to be installed etc... and doesn't download anything. It doesn't explain why it isn't going to 'install' (well I just want download) either!!!! |
| 00:10.06 | vtired | whereas apt-get rox |
| 00:10.10 | minerale | vtired: who manages the actual physical server your virtual host sits on? |
| 00:10.24 | vtired | minerale: www.circle.co.za |
| 00:10.49 | seb- | stew: you know it must be kaffe just cuz it has the coolest cleverest name |
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| 00:11.15 | ttick | anyone know what permissions the Subversion repository should be set to if you want access through WebDAV? |
| 00:12.08 | PlutoniumDragon | Any apt-get wizards around? :) |
| 00:12.32 | Toothpick | pmiller now I have got confilcting information with /slocate =( |
| 00:12.40 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
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| 00:13.22 | Sonny | Hi, now if I want a daemon like esd loaded at boot... whay should I have to do? |
| 00:13.39 | seb- | PlutoniumDragon: don't ask to ask just ask |
| 00:13.43 | ttick | ah, nvm, I figured it out. Had to restart apache so it got its new group. |
| 00:13.49 | stew | seb-: he did a few lines up |
| 00:13.56 | vtired | oh my, my system doesnt even have e2fslibs |
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| 00:14.09 | PlutoniumDragon | seb-: I did ask! |
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| 00:14.18 | Stevie | vtired: sounds a little broken. |
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| 00:14.37 | vtired | Stevie: sounds a little like they followed my instructions :) |
| 00:14.44 | seb- | stew: kaffe -jar myjarfile raise an exception |
| 00:14.53 | cunzhang | hi,why when I have set xorg.conf right,my monitor still can't refresh the right rate? |
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| 00:14.58 | vtired | I asked for kernel + apt-get + nano + ssh, and nothing else you see |
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| 00:15.42 | vtired | I like to customise my Debians, who needs LFS anyway? |
| 00:15.47 | stew | seb-: yeah, welcome to the world of free java implementations :) |
| 00:15.47 | vtired | ;) |
| 00:15.52 | morbius | there is nothing about DHCP in my /etc/network/interfces but yet for some reson every hour or so I get assigned a new IP by DHCP (I can tell because it shows up on my DHCP leases on my router) |
| 00:15.53 | stew | seb-: paste the error somewhere |
| 00:16.20 | stew | PlutoniumDragon: you can try to do the same with perl and it would give you clues as to why it doesn't think perl is installable |
| 00:16.33 | stew | PlutoniumDragon: do you actually have amd64 sources in your sources.list? |
| 00:16.37 | minerale | morbius: well, you could block broadcasting at 255.255.255.255, that should stop dhcp |
| 00:16.39 | vtired | Well, the point is: is there any way I can get to sarge without installing all these packages |
| 00:16.40 | vtired | ? |
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| 00:16.51 | morbius | minerale: how? |
| 00:16.51 | PlutoniumDragon | stew: Ah that's a good idea :-) |
| 00:16.54 | Thrawn | morbius: dpkg -l | grep dhcp |
| 00:17.02 | morbius | ty |
| 00:17.09 | PlutoniumDragon | stew: I did a update with -o arch amd64 so I can see the packages I want in aptitude now |
| 00:17.16 | shiki | hello, i am having some troubles with my soiund card when i boot i get this error "CS4281: probe for device 0000:02:0c.0 failed with error -5" do anyone know what can i do, even if i tried to install alsa and configure it and it outputted this error "/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: NO soundcard found..." |
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| 00:17.45 | minerale | morbius: iptables |
| 00:17.55 | stew | PlutoniumDragon: is the deal that you are having to move pacakges to a non-networked machine via usb/cdrom/floppy or something? |
| 00:18.01 | lunaphyte | why would adding a pci ide card cause my machine to suddenly not be able to boot and complain "/dev/hda1 does not exist" |
| 00:18.03 | seb- | stew: k, just a sec |
| 00:18.35 | seb- | stew: http://pastebin.com/674466 |
| 00:19.03 | seb- | stew: tryin to run chip emulator |
| 00:19.17 | stew | seb-: sweet, that's pretty legitimately a classpath bug |
| 00:19.27 | morbius | Thrawn: everything listed by dkpg -l | has rc at the beginning, whats that? |
| 00:19.28 | stew | seb-: time to dust off the good ol reportbug :) |
| 00:19.29 | vtired | bites the bullet and just installs the plain "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:19.47 | seb- | stew: whose bug? kaffe or j51? |
| 00:19.49 | morbius | i tried to apt-get remove all of the ones that returend and it says thier not installed, so I am assuming something about that |
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| 00:20.38 | shiki | hello, i am having some troubles with my soiund card when i boot i get this error "CS4281: probe for device 0000:02:0c.0 failed with error -5" do anyone know what can i do, even if i tried to install alsa and configure it and it outputted this error "/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: NO soundcard found..." can anyone help me? |
| 00:20.45 | vtired | !debian |
| 00:20.45 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:21.02 | vtired | !debian is also the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 00:21.02 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, vtired |
| 00:21.31 | vtired | !I'm sorry to hear that, dpkg |
| 00:21.36 | ncore | I need to use mysql-server-4.1 (and consequently libmysqlclient14) but php4-mysql and dovecot-imapd require libmysqlclient12. Are there any solutions for me aside from installing PHP and dovecot from source? |
| 00:21.48 | PlutoniumDragon | stew: Yes that's correct |
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| 00:22.11 | stew | seb-: kaffee-common i believe. that is a bug in kaffe's swing implementation |
| 00:22.30 | seb- | stew: indeed it put up a gui for a few seconds before it blew up |
| 00:22.45 | quebee | shiki maybe you don't have it loaded in your modules try modconf |
| 00:22.59 | stew | seb-: what is j51, is it also in debian? |
| 00:23.18 | seb- | stew: j51 is a microcontroller (8051) emulator |
| 00:23.29 | stew | seb-: opensource? |
| 00:23.31 | vtired | so how do I check the debian version? |
| 00:23.34 | seb- | stew: yes |
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| 00:23.57 | andreg | buenas |
| 00:23.58 | shiki | quebee, modconf?, like? |
| 00:24.08 | HIKIWA | does debian detects dhcp automatically? |
| 00:24.33 | stew | vtired: "cat /etc/debian_version" is sometimes accurate, more accurate is to look at "Installed:" in "apt-cache policy libc6" and compare that to http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 00:24.54 | vtired | thx |
| 00:25.43 | Stevie | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1018 2006-04-21 19:37 update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 00:25.45 | Stevie | shouldn't that just be |
| 00:25.48 | Stevie | update-exim4.conf ? |
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| 00:26.04 | debianusr | I ran nmap localhost, and it found this |
| 00:26.04 | debianusr | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 00:26.05 | debianusr | 25/tcp open smtp |
| 00:26.07 | debianusr | am I secure? |
| 00:26.24 | lunaphyte | debianusr: probably for the most part |
| 00:26.27 | PlutoniumDragon | debianusr: That depends... do you want people to be able to access smtp and ssh |
| 00:26.43 | lunaphyte | debianusr: i'd run it from another machine |
| 00:26.44 | PlutoniumDragon | debianusr: Is it a server or a desktop? Will it receive incoming mail? |
| 00:26.55 | debianusr | PlutoniumDragon: I just use irc, msn, and webbrowser, do I need them open? |
| 00:27.08 | debianusr | It will only recieve like..hotmail..through a browser.. |
| 00:27.09 | debianusr | so no |
| 00:27.09 | PlutoniumDragon | debianusr: They're all outgoing though right? |
| 00:27.20 | PlutoniumDragon | debianusr: You don't need SMTP open then |
| 00:27.25 | debianusr | how do i close it? |
| 00:27.28 | Stevie | PlutoniumDragon: but it might be on 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:27.29 | vtired | I think NMap only finds server connections |
| 00:27.34 | debianusr | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 00:27.34 | debianusr | 25/tcp open smtp |
| 00:27.36 | cunzhang | hi£¬my monitor can't refresh to 1024*768@85Hz which the hardware supports? |
| 00:27.37 | PlutoniumDragon | Stevie: That's a good point |
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| 00:27.45 | PlutoniumDragon | debianusr: Ignore me :-) |
| 00:27.47 | vtired | whereas what debianusr is referring to (browser etc) are client |
| 00:28.09 | Atrocity | is there someone to have ssh show my /etc/motd when logging in? |
| 00:28.23 | Stevie | debianusr: netstat -lnp |
| 00:28.25 | debianusr | ok, I went to ipchicken.com, got my IP, and ran nmap on it, and this is what it shows |
| 00:28.26 | debianusr | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 00:28.27 | vtired | debianusr: you could pretty much close everything, although ssh can be useful |
| 00:28.29 | cunzhang | and I have set xorg.conf right |
| 00:28.31 | Stevie | err |
| 00:28.33 | Stevie | debianusr: netstat -lnpt |
| 00:28.35 | quebee | maybe you it didn't compile in your kernel, look in your kernel config through modconf ad see if your drivers are lthere |
| 00:28.36 | debianusr | What is ssh for? |
| 00:28.41 | Stevie | secure shell |
| 00:28.46 | Stevie | logging into the computer from another one |
| 00:28.50 | vtired | and by close, I mean stop the server from starting |
| 00:28.53 | debianusr | I dont need that |
| 00:29.09 | debianusr | How do i close that ssh? |
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| 00:29.17 | vtired | debianusr: dont just firewall, rather stop the processes from starting in the first place |
| 00:29.19 | cafuego | debianusr: sudo apt-get remove --purge openssh-server |
| 00:29.30 | lunaphyte | if i don't move any disks, why would simply adding a pci ide raid card prevent a previously working machine from booting? |
| 00:29.34 | cafuego | ha |
| 00:29.40 | debianusr | cafuego: I wont need ssh stuff for webrowsing, or msn or anything? |
| 00:29.40 | Atrocity | any ideas for my ssh problem? |
| 00:29.45 | cafuego | debianusr: Actually, 'sudo update-rc.d -f ssh remove' |
| 00:29.50 | cafuego | debianusr: nope |
| 00:30.06 | debianusr | sudo update-rc.d -f ssh remove |
| 00:30.12 | debianusr | and itll be gone, and the port closed? |
| 00:30.27 | cunzhang | hi, who can help me to see my xorg.conf,which is pasted http://channels.debian.net/paste/2403. |
| 00:30.42 | seb- | debianusr: well if sshd isn't running anymore then yes port is closed |
| 00:30.59 | seb- | debianusr: ps aux | grep ssh to be sure |
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| 00:31.37 | lunaphyte | Atrocity: /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 00:32.02 | debianusr | ok, I ran the sudo thing, then I did the grep, and this is what it shows |
| 00:32.05 | debianusr | ps aux | grep ssh |
| 00:32.05 | debianusr | root 3275 0.0 0.2 3468 1508 ? Ss 20:29 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 00:32.05 | debianusr | zasr 3412 0.0 0.1 2988 908 ? Ss 20:29 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager |
| 00:32.11 | meneg | is udev currently broken on ubstable? (.debs from ftp.debian.org) |
| 00:32.21 | vtired | kill -TERM 3275 |
| 00:32.27 | Stevie | -TERM is lame |
| 00:32.30 | Stevie | use -11 |
| 00:32.35 | vtired | :P |
| 00:32.39 | Stevie | :) |
| 00:32.39 | seb- | debianusr: you didn't really nuke ssh packages from your machine then |
| 00:32.47 | cunzhang | hi£¬why my monitor can't refresh to 1024*768@85Hz which the hardware supports? |
| 00:32.49 | debianusr | seb- |
| 00:32.58 | Stevie | there's a better way of stopping ssh-server from running |
| 00:33.02 | lunaphyte | update-rc.d doesn't nuke packages. |
| 00:33.03 | debianusr | I ran sudo update-rc.d -f ssh remove |
| 00:33.08 | debianusr | how do I nuke them? |
| 00:33.13 | lunaphyte | apt-get remove |
| 00:33.15 | vtired | or kill -SIGKILL 3275 if it doesnt respond, but thats just a factoid |
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| 00:33.20 | vinboy | anyone know any website explains how a kernel configuration may affect a linux system's performance? |
| 00:33.32 | debianusr | apt-get remove --purge openssh-server?? |
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| 00:33.48 | lunaphyte | yes |
| 00:33.56 | seb- | debianusr: i see your problem |
| 00:34.11 | lunaphyte | or just stop the process. |
| 00:34.25 | lunaphyte | /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 00:34.34 | debianusr | is this right? I ran apt-get remove --purge ssh |
| 00:34.35 | debianusr | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 00:34.35 | debianusr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.35 | debianusr | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:34.35 | debianusr | Need to get 0B of archives. |
| 00:34.35 | debianusr | After unpacking 1839kB disk space will be freed. |
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| 00:34.39 | seb- | debianusr: update-rc.d only turn apps on/off with each reboot...it does nothing regarding removing/installing them from your pc |
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| 00:34.45 | debianusr | sorry |
| 00:35.16 | seb- | debianusr: apt-get remove ssh yes |
| 00:35.26 | lunaphyte | debianusr: i'd do openssh-server, not just ssh |
| 00:35.42 | debianusr | I did both, and ran grep again.. |
| 00:35.44 | debianusr | zasr 3412 0.0 0.1 2988 908 ? Ss 20:29 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager |
| 00:35.48 | lunaphyte | there you go |
| 00:35.49 | debianusr | thats all thats running |
| 00:36.14 | debianusr | apt-get remove --purge ssh-agent? |
| 00:37.19 | lunaphyte | debianusr: you don't have to. |
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| 00:37.49 | debianusr | It cant find it anyways.. |
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| 00:37.54 | debianusr | so is my system secure now? |
| 00:38.10 | lunaphyte | for the most part, probably. |
| 00:38.19 | dvs | debianusr: It's more secure but probably not absolutely secure |
| 00:38.24 | debianusr | Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-04-21 20:50 EDT |
| 00:38.24 | debianusr | All 1663 scanned ports on dynamic-216-211-70-105.tbaytel.net (216.211.70.105) are: closed |
| 00:38.27 | debianusr | nice, haha |
| 00:38.38 | lunaphyte | debianusr: notice that only scanned 1663 ports though. |
| 00:38.42 | cunzhang | is there anyone who can help me with my refresh rate problem? |
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| 00:39.55 | debianusr | lunaphyte |
| 00:39.57 | debianusr | Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-04-21 20:51 EDT |
| 00:39.57 | debianusr | All 31337 scanned ports on dynamic-216-211-70-105.tbaytel.net (216.211.70.105) are: closed |
| 00:40.05 | lunaphyte | getting there ;) |
| 00:40.08 | debianusr | haha |
| 00:40.12 | vtired | lol at 31337 |
| 00:40.15 | debianusr | :D |
| 00:40.22 | floppyears_ | hi |
| 00:40.25 | floppyears_ | I'm running stable |
| 00:40.33 | debianusr | me too, its some good stuff |
| 00:40.49 | floppyears_ | have 2 monitors and want to get them working with xfree86 |
| 00:40.51 | PlutoniumDragon | It is actually possible to download all the dependancies for a AMD64 package on a 32 bit machine? It doesn't appear to be. Apt just craps itself. |
| 00:41.12 | debianusr | All 65535 scanned ports on dynamic-216-211-70-105.tbaytel.net (216.211.70.105) are: closed NOW IM SECURE |
| 00:41.23 | cunzhang | debianusr£¬can you help me with my xorg.conf which I have pasted at http://channels.debian.net/paste/2403 |
| 00:41.33 | debianusr | cunzhang: I can try |
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| 00:41.57 | debianusr | What's the problem with it? |
| 00:42.18 | cunzhang | debianusr,thank you.my monitor only can refresh to 1024*768@70Hz |
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| 00:43.21 | cunzhang | debianusr,my kernel is 2.6.16-1-686 ,using module-assistant to compile nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:43.50 | lunaphyte | where should i start looking to figure out why adding a pci ide card would make my machine complain "alert! /dev/hda1 does not exist. dropping to a shell!" when booting? |
| 00:43.52 | vtired | cunzhang: but does "nv" work? |
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| 00:44.19 | cunzhang | vtired,yes |
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| 00:44.56 | vtired | cunzhang: same like me, sort of, "nvidia" sux and "nv" rox |
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| 00:45.25 | cunzhang | vtired,but I don't try.the xorg.conf is copied from other Debian sid OS of the same computer .and it's right |
| 00:45.27 | debuser | hello? |
| 00:45.38 | debianusr | hi |
| 00:45.43 | kairo | Hi. I receiving a hard attack on my apache. I add mod_evasive and various tips but don´t help me. My Apache receive milions this requests http://pastebin.com/674490. Any idea? I´m using apache2 sarge. |
| 00:45.45 | debuser | I don't know what happened with my debian sys... |
| 00:46.00 | cunzhang | vtired,let me try |
| 00:46.18 | debuser | I was trying to install the drivers for my IR remote control |
| 00:46.33 | debuser | and I installed LIRC |
| 00:46.46 | debuser | but then I have problems with my modules |
| 00:46.50 | vtired | cunzhang: mine doesnt work much, but the www.nvidia.com then go to Download Drivers, then go to Linux, then go to the forum, and make a new post, you should get an answer within minutes |
| 00:46.52 | debuser | i have an AMD64 debian.. |
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| 00:47.12 | debuser | so.. then It didn't worked... |
| 00:47.14 | cunzhang | vtired,thank you. |
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| 00:47.31 | debuser | I installed module-assistant to make some modules from sources.. |
| 00:47.35 | debuser | the problem is that now.. |
| 00:47.36 | debianusr | Can someone tell me how to make it so it doesnt show my real ip/dns when I log into xchat? |
| 00:47.54 | debuser | every time I try to run a command it says.. |
| 00:48.02 | debuser | cannot execute command.. |
| 00:48.10 | debuser | for example |
| 00:48.56 | bbrazil | debianusr: use an irc network that supports that (e.g. unreal with the +x option) |
| 00:48.56 | debianusr | bbrazil: So I can't on freenode? |
| 00:48.56 | vtired | cunzhang: also, take a look at the nvidia-bug-report.sh command |
| 00:48.57 | minerale | Anyone here know how to make gnome a bit faster (ie, how can I disable the fade in/out for root passwd) ? |
| 00:48.57 | Tiberio | Hi, I make a /etc/init.d/ftpd using /etc/init.d/skeleton. ../ftpd start is ok, but ../ftpd stop not work. The /var/run/ftpd.pid file no exist. |
| 00:48.57 | vtired | its not just for reporting bugs |
| 00:49.10 | bbrazil | debianusr: you can get a mask, check the FAQ on freenode.net |
| 00:49.14 | phwn | is anyone else getting an ``Invalid escape character syntax'' error when upgrading Emacs? |
| 00:49.19 | bucky | debhelper: make a donation to freenode and ask lilo for a host mask |
| 00:49.21 | debuser | anyone has an idea of what's happening? |
| 00:49.21 | debianusr | bbrazil: Thx, ill so that |
| 00:49.24 | debianusr | do* |
| 00:50.40 | debuser | nothing? |
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| 00:51.13 | fred9510 | bonjour |
| 00:51.28 | debuser | does anyone reads what I'm saying? |
| 00:51.37 | bucky | debuser: is this with debian amd64 ? |
| 00:51.46 | debuser | yes.. |
| 00:51.53 | bucky | debuser: ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 00:52.03 | debuser | ok.. |
| 00:52.15 | debuser | but is still not a problem from that.. |
| 00:52.25 | vtired | lol at Serinity |
| 00:52.32 | vtired | !Serinity++ |
| 00:52.56 | vtired | anyway what does what I just typed actually do? |
| 00:53.42 | gnufan | Tiberio: if you can't debug your own stop/start scripts -- why didn't you use a packaged ftp server? |
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| 00:56.00 | miki2 | when im starting my new compiled kernel it shows this: 'Starting the hotplug evens dispatcher: udevd' and then it stops without any error. Any help? |
| 00:56.24 | vtired | miki-kernel? |
| 00:56.31 | Tiberio | gnufan, I have the same problem with svnd (A script for svnserve) for subversion |
| 00:56.31 | miki2 | 2.6.16.9 |
| 00:56.38 | unstable | Can I emulate a mac osx program? |
| 00:56.46 | PlutoniumDragon | unstable: no |
| 00:56.51 | unstable | Google made a mac osx google earth version, I can't get the windows version to run |
| 00:56.52 | vtired | no, I mean, is it called miki-kernel? |
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| 00:57.00 | unstable | I was wondering if I would have more luck with mac osx |
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| 00:57.04 | miki2 | vitred: nope |
| 00:57.08 | vtired | ar |
| 00:57.19 | vtired | !miki2-- |
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| 00:57.27 | PlutoniumDragon | unstable: Well technically you can run the warez version of OSX-x86 in vmware |
| 00:57.31 | miki2 | its called smth like 2.6.16.9-0422 |
| 00:57.34 | unstable | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.41 | jrwr | What is a good cmd line music player (streaming) |
| 00:57.42 | unstable | http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/pop.php?psapi |
| 00:57.44 | miki2 | or 2.6.16.9-0420, same problem |
| 00:57.49 | PlutoniumDragon | jrwr: mplayer? |
| 00:57.57 | unstable | I watched with tpf what files are accessed by google earth...but it just still fails with weird errors |
| 00:58.01 | unstable | But I'm much closer then I was. |
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| 00:58.18 | jrwr | PlutoniumDragon: all ive got is cmd line |
| 00:58.22 | unstable | WINEDLLOVERRIDES="ole32,usp10,msvcrt=n" wine GoogleEarth.exe doesn't work. |
| 00:58.43 | gnufan | Tiberio: its okay subversion is packaged as well -- why are you reinventing the wheel? |
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| 00:58.51 | jrwr | try it in OpenGL mode |
| 00:58.56 | PlutoniumDragon | jrwr: mplayer plays music on the command line... I'm playing things now! |
| 00:59.03 | jrwr | unstable: try it in open gl mode |
| 00:59.23 | unstable | Something is wrong with kernel32.dll |
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| 00:59.51 | _intx | anyone here use a kernel security mod? |
| 00:59.55 | unstable | jrwr: man wine|grep -i open shows nothing... "opengl mode" ? |
| 01:00.03 | unstable | I've never heard of this |
| 01:00.27 | miki2 | is there any fast way to diable udev ? |
| 01:00.30 | miki2 | disable |
| 01:00.50 | Zrii | Anyone here use bittornado? |
| 01:00.58 | mbishop | yes |
| 01:01.12 | Zrii | ok, for downloading a movie as fast as I can, what mode should I set it to? |
| 01:01.18 | Zrii | it seems to go slow on automatic |
| 01:02.02 | mbishop | basically just make the upload rate about 10kbps less than your max upload rate |
| 01:02.09 | mbishop | should keep it from clogging |
| 01:02.18 | Zrii | ah, alright |
| 01:02.42 | Zrii | oh, and incase anyone knows a free webhost please tell me, something like geocities, but not..well..dumb |
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| 01:04.59 | Tiberio | gnufan, I make subversion from sources, Is there a svnd script into /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 01:05.23 | colkhis | Hi, can anybody help me ? (I'm new to linux) |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | please ask your question |
| 01:05.49 | danieldg | I'm wondering how to "attach" to a pty, so that I can execute commands on the shell bound to it. Is there a program/package that does this, or if not, how would I program it? |
| 01:05.53 | dvs | Please state the nature of your computer emergency |
| 01:05.56 | colkhis | I can't play embeded MIDIs on the internet |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | i would hardly call that an emergency :) |
| 01:06.33 | Zrii | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 01:06.35 | colkhis | I agree it's not :) |
| 01:06.37 | Zrii | problem solved, next?? |
| 01:06.40 | Zrii | lol |
| 01:06.52 | colkhis | I have firefox installed |
| 01:07.00 | Zrii | =( |
| 01:07.44 | miki2 | any help with udev? |
| 01:07.49 | Zrii | wow quanta plug kicks a$$ |
| 01:07.52 | Zrii | plus* |
| 01:08.26 | minerale | Is it safe to disable all the X11 modules? |
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| 01:09.56 | abrotman | !midi |
| 01:09.57 | dpkg | well, midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 01:10.13 | colkhis | thanks |
| 01:11.33 | Zrii | !windows |
| 01:11.34 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 01:11.38 | Zrii | lol |
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| 01:14.16 | shiki | hello, i am having some troubles with my soiund card when i boot i get this error "CS4281: probe for device 0000:02:0c.0 failed with error -5" do anyone know what can i do, even if i tried to install alsa and configure it and it outputted this error "/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: NO soundcard found..." can anyone help me? |
| 01:14.39 | Tiberio | hi |
| 01:16.38 | PlutoniumDragon | shiki: You could try lspci and lspci -v (-vv maybe) to see if anything looks unusual about it |
| 01:18.12 | shiki | PlutoniumDragon well.... everything seems normal to me.... |
| 01:20.08 | unstable | If I have file.deb, How can I tell what files are inside before I install it? |
| 01:20.44 | abrotman | ar x |
| 01:21.29 | myboxen | use dpkg |
| 01:22.27 | jrwr | whats the pkg name for the CACA Image Viewer |
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| 01:23.30 | miki2 | if im running few kernels at once, one is using udev and other one is using devfs, do i need to remove devfs from older kernel in order to make my udev useable? |
| 01:24.37 | ACU | Greetings --- I have a question - I have installed Debian ETCH Beta2 from DVD and when the boot starts can not go in GDM - is telling me that Xorg is not there or something like this - and I just get a text interface - any sugestions? |
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| 01:25.21 | abrotman | ACU: apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 01:25.22 | shiki | is there any repositorie for one to get older versions of kernel?? |
| 01:25.25 | liable | miki2: no. just remove udev |
| 01:25.30 | abrotman | shiki: packages? |
| 01:25.36 | Zrii | or apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
| 01:25.47 | shiki | abrotman????? what? |
| 01:26.09 | shiki | abrotman oh no, i just dont wanna compile a version |
| 01:26.20 | abrotman | Zrii: he asked for gdm .. that would imply gnome .. and kde is a pile of crap |
| 01:26.45 | Zrii | abrotman: You don't need to be a jerk, some peopel like KDE for prgrams such as quanta plus |
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| 01:26.52 | ACU | abrotman - thanks -- I am going to do this now - why it did not install x-window system from the begining? -- |
| 01:26.52 | Zrii | people* rather |
| 01:27.05 | abrotman | Zrii: you install kde for one application? |
| 01:27.08 | abrotman | that's just silly |
| 01:27.09 | dvs | ACU: not everyone needs X |
| 01:27.15 | Zrii | abrotman: for programs SUCH AS |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | ACU: serveres don't run X |
| 01:27.20 | Zrii | abrotman: learn2elaborate |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | kde is a big bloated pile of poo |
| 01:27.34 | Zrii | Don't use it then. |
| 01:27.40 | Zrii | And quit bitching about it |
| 01:27.41 | dvs | gnome is for simpletons |
| 01:27.41 | abrotman | you couldn't pay me enough to |
| 01:27.43 | miki2 | liable: ive send email with my kernel config to hotplug dev team :O |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | Zrii: quit bitching at me .. i'm allowed an opinion |
| 01:28.11 | liable | miki2: remove backports from sources. update, purge udev, install hotplug |
| 01:28.14 | abrotman | Zrii: don't like it .. use /ignore |
| 01:28.16 | Zrii | abrotman: Ill tell you when you can have an opinion! *wrist slap |
| 01:28.41 | calmar | hi all, I have a mount command, what I can not kill. it seems it prevent a restart as well. I tried kill -[12349] and -15 PID so far. any hints? |
| 01:28.44 | shiki | *sigh* why we always see this kinds of fights only in debian ;P Chat |
| 01:28.49 | Zrii | :D |
| 01:29.01 | calmar | (it seems to hang) |
| 01:29.02 | jrwr | calmar: try kill -1 -9 |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | calmar: is something using the directory ? |
| 01:29.10 | jrwr | that should kill everything |
| 01:29.36 | ACU | now that I have to be polite with abrotman - I say thanks --- I started using GNOME but I realize that KDE might be more user ready for example comes with DVD writing soft installed etc -- I know this is a newbie hapiness but not trivial |
| 01:29.40 | jrwr | also the -l on mount works too |
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| 01:29.45 | jrwr | the lazy way |
| 01:29.55 | abrotman | ACU: ok .. which do you want? |
| 01:29.58 | PlutoniumDragon | ion3 > (Gnome & KDE) |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | ACU: i assumed since you said GDM .. you wanted gnome .. is this not the case? |
| 01:30.09 | jrwr | i like fluxbox |
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| 01:30.19 | jrwr | it pwns joo |
| 01:30.25 | ACU | abrotman either -- |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | ACU: please pick one .. gnome has DVD writing software too |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | or install them both! |
| 01:31.10 | shiki | abrotman hehehehe |
| 01:31.13 | PlutoniumDragon | ion3 is better than everything. I would make an argument about it but its obviously true |
| 01:31.17 | Zrii | abrotman, why do you feel the urge to piss people off? I've been watching you -.- |
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| 01:31.23 | miki2 | liable: currently i got no net on linux, sience udev affected 2.4.27 too and its not detecting my USB once again :) |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | Zrii: then put me on ignore .. or go away |
| 01:31.36 | Zrii | abrotman: I was here first |
| 01:31.41 | abrotman | Zrii: oh . you're ban evading |
| 01:31.41 | liable | miki2: remove it! install hotplug. |
| 01:31.43 | dvs | miki2: Why are you still using 2.4.27? |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | Zrii: you most certainly were not |
| 01:31.53 | calmar | I checked tiwh kill -1 pid and kill -9 pid without success. actually I logged out of X. disconnected the 'memory' (won't know how to check if something is using that dir further) |
| 01:31.54 | liable | dvs: its a long long story :) |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | ban evader! |
| 01:32.08 | Zrii | IR NAWT! |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | are too |
| 01:32.21 | Zrii | are not! |
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| 01:32.28 | ACU | hey guys --- spend your neurons on more needed issues :) |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | put me on ignore |
| 01:32.32 | Zrii | no! |
| 01:32.36 | PlutoniumDragon | Zrii > abrotman |
| 01:32.39 | Zrii | :D |
| 01:32.39 | abrotman | !troll zrii |
| 01:32.46 | abrotman | now i remember who he is |
| 01:32.49 | Zrii | !pinch abrotman |
| 01:32.52 | Zrii | aww |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | and he was banned |
| 01:32.58 | dvs | uh oh |
| 01:33.01 | Zrii | No I was not |
| 01:33.04 | altgnick | anyone know how to mount/read a mac hard drive from either linux or even windows? |
| 01:33.05 | Zrii | Why do you lie? |
| 01:33.20 | abrotman | altgnick: how is it formatted? |
| 01:33.24 | Zrii | Where does lie'ing get you off? |
| 01:33.30 | calmar | I guess, I have to reset the box.. thanks anyway |
| 01:33.34 | altgnick | osx |
| 01:33.35 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: You might need ufstools (maybe) |
| 01:33.39 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: err ignore that |
| 01:33.45 | PlutoniumDragon | altgnick: err I mean hfstools |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: wrong person |
| 01:33.47 | altgnick | lol |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | osx is not a filesystem |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | hfs+ ? |
| 01:34.05 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: OSX is an experience |
| 01:34.12 | liable | oh dear |
| 01:34.12 | Zrii | abrotman: OSX has its own FS |
| 01:34.16 | altgnick | im not too mac'd up lol |
| 01:34.20 | abrotman | Zrii: shut up |
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| 01:34.25 | Zrii | abrotman: Make me |
| 01:34.25 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: He didn't even say he had an OSX disk - you assume too much |
| 01:34.37 | Zrii | abrotman: stop assuming so much, assumer |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | troll |
| 01:34.44 | ACU | OK ---- apt-get install gnome gdm windows system ------ will get it from the net --- can I have it from the burnt DVD ? --- so I do not disconect the chat |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: <altgnick> osx |
| 01:34.53 | Zrii | He started it! |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | fucking people can't read |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | so do it |
| 01:35.30 | abrotman | oh that's right .. zrii is fstab0r |
| 01:35.35 | Zrii | nowai! |
| 01:35.56 | Zrii | who's fstab0r? |
| 01:36.03 | Zrii | >.> <.< V.V |
| 01:36.22 | Zrii | ^_^ |
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| 01:36.44 | Zrii | !ops help |
| 01:36.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: help |
| 01:36.51 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 01:36.58 | altgnick | thought i would see it from knoppix live |
| 01:37.01 | dvs | Zrii: NOW you're treding on thin ice |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | treading .. canadian :) |
| 01:37.13 | Zrii | dvs: what did I do? :S |
| 01:37.19 | dvs | abrotman: We drop the e up here |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | zrii was fstab0r that lorez banned a few hours ago |
| 01:37.29 | dvs | Zrii: Call the ops for no reason |
| 01:37.29 | Zrii | Are not |
| 01:37.39 | Zrii | like the ops really have lives anyway |
| 01:37.49 | jrwr | what "programs" does the pkg caca-ultis install? |
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| 01:38.16 | abrotman | jrwr: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 01:38.18 | Zrii | oh no, I better stop compiling my linux kernel, and answer a question! |
| 01:38.22 | miki2 | liable: do i need installed hotplug/udev/other required packages to compile kernel wich will use those? |
| 01:38.42 | Zrii | !ops abrotman : Banevading |
| 01:38.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: abrotman : Banevading |
| 01:38.44 | liable | miki2: you dont technically need any of them. |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | --- [Zrii] (n=zasr@dynamic-216-211-70-105.tbaytel.net) : Zasr Relis |
| 01:38.48 | altgnick | is hfstools part of the deb distro |
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| 01:38.52 | abrotman | --- [fstab0r] (n=zast@dynamic-216-211-45-165.tbaytel.net) : j.huklh |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | wtf is ): .. greycat? |
| 01:39.17 | liable | yes |
| 01:39.32 | PlutoniumDragon | Can someone kick abrotman please? |
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| 01:39.41 | Zrii | --- [abrotman] (n=somegay@a.host.only.idiots.use) : ir1337lol |
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| 01:39.50 | abrotman | !tell zrii about gay |
| 01:39.51 | Zrii | I hope someone does |
| 01:39.54 | liable | miki2: just purge udev. install hotplug (udev would have removed it) and reboot. if you have problems, MAKEDEV generic |
| 01:39.58 | pngwn | PlutoniumDragon, put him on ignore |
| 01:40.02 | bengrubb | hey whats the command to change the root password in debian ? |
| 01:40.11 | abrotman | bengrubb: are you root currently ? |
| 01:40.14 | liable | passwd |
| 01:40.15 | bengrubb | yes |
| 01:40.16 | Zrii | passwd |
| 01:40.19 | Zrii | gah! |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | passwd .. changes for the user you currently are |
| 01:40.27 | bengrubb | ok cool |
| 01:40.28 | jrwr | How do i change the "res" of the conosle to a smaller size |
| 01:40.32 | PlutoniumDragon | pngwn: Yeah but he is making the channel less friendly for people that come in - especially I'm thinking about the effect on how new debian people experience the channel |
| 01:40.34 | bengrubb | ty so much |
| 01:40.51 | bengrubb | yay password succesfully upldated |
| 01:40.59 | liable | jrwr: with a kernel vga option |
| 01:41.00 | Zrii | !tell abrotman about NOTbeinganasshole |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | right ... |
| 01:41.18 | jrwr | and how do that work |
| 01:41.19 | liable | how about just dropping this childish shit? |
| 01:41.27 | pngwn | PlutoniumDragon, censor yourself, not others |
| 01:41.32 | PlutoniumDragon | pngwn: ! |
| 01:41.35 | Zrii | !tell liable about shit |
| 01:41.41 | PlutoniumDragon | pngwn: I don't need censoring! |
| 01:41.57 | pngwn | you need to stop whining |
| 01:42.07 | PlutoniumDragon | pngwn: LOL, put me on ignore! |
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| 01:42.16 | shiki | OMG could everyone in the discution make a different room outside #debian >.> this is a helping room not a room to fight ;P |
| 01:42.41 | dvs | shiki: you haven't been here long, have you? |
| 01:42.42 | shiki | sigh ._. |
| 01:42.50 | jrwr | How does the Kernel VGA Opt work? |
| 01:42.55 | shiki | dvs hehehehe xD |
| 01:43.06 | pngwn | shiki, it's not a room ;) |
| 01:43.10 | liable | jrwr: google |
| 01:43.12 | dvs | !room |
| 01:43.12 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 01:43.18 | Zrii | !channel |
| 01:43.19 | dpkg | i heard channel is This refers to the group of resellers that supply most companies with software, hardware, and support. The channel is a force to be reckoned with, and it competes directly against companies like Gateway 2000 and Dell. A channel can also be a content container, like a television channel. You may be watching TV channels on the Internet someday. |
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| 01:43.38 | Zrii | !anal |
| 01:43.39 | dpkg | anal is probably a kind of sex, which is very nice for men who love other men.!, or another way to say anal retentive |
| 01:43.43 | shiki | ............. |
| 01:43.46 | Zrii | O.O |
| 01:43.56 | shiki | aja we know now Zrii |
| 01:44.09 | Zrii | !pussy |
| 01:44.09 | dpkg | Read: zrii |
| 01:44.11 | liable | !ops please deal with Zrii |
| 01:44.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please deal with Zrii |
| 01:44.13 | shiki | dont gotta be ashame of it just let it out ;P |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | Zrii: stop messing with the bot |
| 01:44.30 | Zrii | abrotman: bite me |
| 01:44.39 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: You're just as bad |
| 01:44.42 | Zrii | lol |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | really .. how many bad words did i ask the bot about? |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | idiot |
| 01:45.11 | Zrii | !piss abrotman |
| 01:45.14 | Zrii | aww |
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| 01:45.36 | jrwr | !kill Zrii |
| 01:45.37 | zirikili | how do I assign an especific /dev to a module? for example ov511 module to /dev/video1 |
| 01:45.41 | jrwr | lol |
| 01:45.46 | Zrii | !penis |
| 01:45.47 | dpkg | hmm... penis is the male reproductive organ, or the male reproductive organ_ |
| 01:45.53 | kspath | !rape |
| 01:45.56 | Zrii | *childish giggle |
| 01:46.00 | abrotman | Zrii: STOP WITH THE BOT |
| 01:46.01 | kspath | !abuse |
| 01:46.01 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 01:46.05 | jrwr | !redhat |
| 01:46.09 | jrwr | aww |
| 01:46.16 | Zrii | !fedora |
| 01:46.17 | dpkg | fedora is probably Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/fedora.jpg |
| 01:46.32 | jrwr | !kill dpkg |
| 01:46.33 | liable | zirikili: with a module option. i had to do it with something but i forget the exact options |
| 01:46.35 | jrwr | haha!! |
| 01:46.47 | jrwr | !kill dpkg |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | jrwr: stop please |
| 01:46.55 | jrwr | k |
| 01:46.57 | kspath | Is this the 15 and under #debian crowd now? |
| 01:46.58 | Zrii | !sperm |
| 01:46.58 | dpkg | sperm is probably what swims around in odys colon and mouth |
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| 01:47.06 | zirikili | liable: thanks |
| 01:47.07 | liable | jrwr: we already have enough people abusing dpkg. please dont add to it |
| 01:47.10 | jrwr | How does the Kernel VGA Opt work? |
| 01:47.10 | twisted` | question, how can I force apt not to hold packages back? |
| 01:47.22 | abrotman | nalioth: any chance we could get you to get rid of him? |
| 01:47.37 | liable | he's not an op? |
| 01:47.38 | Zrii | abrotman: nalioth loves me |
| 01:47.51 | Zrii | abrotman: we're havign children soon |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | liable: better |
| 01:47.57 | liable | oh |
| 01:48.03 | Zrii | abrotman: we're gonna name him: goodabrot |
| 01:48.17 | Zrii | abrotman: implying you were the unsucessful one |
| 01:48.18 | twisted` | hmm dist-upgrade seems to do the trick |
| 01:48.30 | lunaphyte | any thoughts on why adding a pci ide card would make my machine complain "alert! /dev/hda1 does not exist. dropping to a shell!" and not boot? |
| 01:48.31 | abrotman | !held back |
| 01:48.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 01:48.35 | Zrii | !idiot abrotman |
| 01:48.40 | Zrii | !moron abrotman |
| 01:48.41 | dpkg | abrotman: You are moron #98 |
| 01:48.44 | thdperuvian | i speak spanish |
| 01:48.49 | liable | where are the ops? :( |
| 01:48.50 | Zrii | !spanish |
| 01:48.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | lunaphyte: your PCI card and your IDE controller are trying to share an IRQ |
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| 01:48.57 | bengrubb | hey also ive made a new user but how do i make that user an admin or put them in the aadmin group |
| 01:49.00 | jrwr | !ops |
| 01:49.01 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 01:49.02 | thdperuvian | spanish please |
| 01:49.03 | kspath | Zrii: Did you mix some pills and alcohol and then decided to IRC? |
| 01:49.12 | Zrii | kspath: yes, sorry |
| 01:49.15 | jrwr | !ops Zrii is flooding the bot |
| 01:49.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Zrii is flooding the bot |
| 01:49.25 | Zrii | !ops jrwr no im not |
| 01:49.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: jrwr no im not |
| 01:49.31 | jrwr | !ops yes you are |
| 01:49.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: yes you are |
| 01:49.36 | Zrii | !ops are not |
| 01:49.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: are not |
| 01:49.40 | jrwr | !ops yes you are |
| 01:49.42 | Kinks | .... |
| 01:49.47 | liable | bengrubb: adduser foo group |
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| 01:49.53 | jrwr | !ops are too |
| 01:49.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: are too |
| 01:49.55 | bengrubb | coolta |
| 01:49.56 | liable | jesus fucking christ |
| 01:50.00 | bengrubb | superstr |
| 01:50.01 | kspath | I do not know if they are Beavis and Beavis or Butthead and Butthead. |
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| 01:50.20 | Zrii | !ops he lies |
| 01:50.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: he lies |
| 01:50.25 | jrwr | !ops no you lie |
| 01:50.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: no you lie |
| 01:50.27 | dvs | kspath: I'm guessing Eric Cartman |
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| 01:50.36 | abrotman | jrwr: please stop |
| 01:50.40 | abrotman | Zrii: stop please |
| 01:50.47 | Zrii | if you say please.. |
| 01:50.49 | kspath | dvs: Do you really think they are up to that level? |
| 01:50.50 | Zrii | say it.. |
| 01:51.04 | shogunx | hitting the crack pipe a little hard today, are we boys? |
| 01:51.06 | kspath | Zrii: Please stop breathing. |
| 01:51.10 | dvs | kspath: If they're not "I'll kick them in the nuts!" |
| 01:51.10 | bengrubb | do i have to make a group? |
| 01:51.21 | lunaphyte | abrotman: would i more likely solve that with bios settings, or something within debian? |
| 01:51.26 | abrotman | can we stop feeding the troll ? |
| 01:51.40 | Stevie | let's feed the troll some strychnine' |
| 01:51.47 | Zrii | !ops kspath thretening to kill me |
| 01:51.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: kspath thretening to kill me |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | lunaphyte: BIOS .. i had a problem with a PCI sound card and my network card |
| 01:51.55 | shogunx | lets feed the troll some synfloods. |
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| 01:52.00 | abrotman | Zrii: please stop |
| 01:52.08 | Zrii | abotman: ok, ma'am |
| 01:53.18 | lunaphyte | abrotman: thanks for the hint. |
| 01:53.30 | abrotman | lunaphyte: i'm not saying it will solve it .. but it's something to look into it |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | that last "it" was unneeded :) |
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| 01:54.10 | chaedaeX__ | is there a way to make dpkg-buildpackage use multiple processes like the -j option in make? |
| 01:54.18 | kspath | Zrii: I was not literally meaning to stop breathing. |
| 01:54.25 | abrotman | chaedaeX__: i think there is a config file .. |
| 01:54.38 | miki2 | y i dont have this line in my kernel config? 'Support for hot-pluggable devices' |
| 01:54.39 | Zrii | kspath: say your sorry |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | you're |
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| 01:54.55 | Stevie | whose sorry? |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | who's ? |
| 01:55.03 | Stevie | no, whose |
| 01:55.09 | abrotman | no ... |
| 01:55.11 | Stevie | kspath's sorry? |
| 01:55.15 | tehbio | I thought whose inferred ownership. |
| 01:55.19 | Stevie | It does |
| 01:55.21 | Zrii | kspath |
| 01:55.22 | kspath | Stevie: ? |
| 01:55.23 | Zrii | say your sorry |
| 01:55.30 | Stevie | whose sorry? |
| 01:55.37 | lunaphyte | abrotman: yes, thanks - all i'm looking for at this point is a place to start. |
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| 01:56.16 | kspath | Stevie: I have some people that were scrolling the channel on ignore. What is whose sorry about? |
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| 01:56.30 | abrotman | lunaphyte: did you try changing slots for the carD? |
| 01:56.37 | Stevie | kspath: oh, I dunno |
| 01:56.47 | PlutoniumDragon | When doing the base install with the amd64-testing cd I get "failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc". Anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:56.57 | Stevie | Some guy kept saying "say your sorry" so I was asking whose sorry was supposed to be shown :) |
| 01:57.25 | kspath | Stevie: I can guess the rest. Thank you. |
| 01:57.32 | lunaphyte | abrotman: unfortunately, i only have 1 pci slot this card will go in - it's a 3ware escalade 7506-4LP |
| 01:57.44 | abrotman | lunaphyte: oh ... that sucks even worse |
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| 01:58.17 | lunaphyte | the 1 slot only or the card model? |
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| 01:58.21 | shogunx | lunaphyte what irq's are being absorbed? |
| 01:58.34 | lunaphyte | not sure - is there a way to tell from within debian? |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 01:58.48 | shogunx | lunaphyte cat /proc/interrupts |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | but .. it won't be showing anything that isn't claiming one |
| 01:59.33 | Stevie | lunaphyte: you should be able to control via the BIOS what irqs are assigned to pci devices |
| 01:59.59 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Stop slacking you lazy bum!! |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:00.27 | lunaphyte | http://rafb.net/paste/results/cBBgtQ90.html |
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| 02:00.57 | shogunx | lunaphyte if you can use irq3 or 4 and do not need serial ports, turn them off in your BOIS> |
| 02:01.02 | shogunx | BIOS that is. |
| 02:01.39 | abrotman | might be able to force the PCI slot to an IRQ |
| 02:01.41 | lunaphyte | this is so retarded. the logic board i'm using has only 1 ide channel on it, which has 2 disks on it, so i had to add this stupid 3ware card so i can connect my optical drive. |
| 02:02.09 | dvs | lunaphyte: Must be an OLD board |
| 02:02.10 | ForrestF | how does the VGA opt work for the kernel |
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| 02:02.19 | lunaphyte | i do actually use 1 port, but i could turn the other off |
| 02:02.25 | lunaphyte | actually, it's relatively new |
| 02:02.32 | lunaphyte | supermicro p8sct |
| 02:02.44 | ForrestF | lunaphyte: add a old souncard with a IDE port on it |
| 02:02.51 | lunaphyte | yuk :) |
| 02:02.57 | ForrestF | had a SB16 that had one and it worked |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | lunaphyte: try putting the PCI slot on a certain IRQ |
| 02:03.07 | shogunx | lunaphyte the server i built for my wife has no video card but it does have a serial console. |
| 02:03.18 | abrotman | shogunx: she must love you |
| 02:03.41 | shogunx | abrotman sometimes it seems so... ;) |
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| 02:03.50 | atrus | is it just me, or does experimental's gimp both depend and conflict with gimp-data 2.3.8-2? |
| 02:04.15 | abrotman | !depends gimp experimental |
| 02:04.17 | dpkg | gimp: depends on gimp-data (= 2.3.8-2), libaa1 (>= 1.2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libexif12, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.7), libgimp2.0 (<< 2.3.9), libgimp2.0 (>= 2.3.8), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libice6, libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libmng1 (>= 1.0.3-1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), ... |
| 02:04.25 | abrotman | !conflicts gimp experimental |
| 02:04.27 | dpkg | gimp: gimp-data (<= 2.3.8-2) |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | hehehe |
| 02:04.39 | atrus | ok, just checking :) |
| 02:04.46 | abrotman | atrus: it is experimental |
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| 02:04.55 | atrus | well yeah, but still :) |
| 02:04.56 | lunaphyte | is there any possibility i could duplicate my 2 drives onto sata drives, and somehow make the machine boot from it's sata ports? |
| 02:06.17 | shogunx | lunaphyte as long as the sata is properly configured in the kernel, you can boot from those. |
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| 02:07.03 | lunaphyte | but then it'd still be trying to mount hdax, and the sata disks would be showing up as sdax, right? |
| 02:07.30 | Metrics | lunaphyte: You need to change fstab before you reboot, or from a Live CD. |
| 02:07.38 | liable | of course you need to edit fstab and grub |
| 02:07.50 | shogunx | lunaphyte they would show up as sdax, so you would have to modify your bootloader config before installing it to the MBR. |
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| 02:08.20 | lunaphyte | clearly this is something i don't understand well enough at this point. |
| 02:09.30 | Ween | i have a server thats been up for almost 6 months, it uses raid, but i cannot find a raidtab file anywhere.. is it possible to use something besides raidtab (and no, i didnt use mdadm) |
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| 02:09.37 | abrotman | lunaphyte: depends on the kernel for whether it will be hda or sda |
| 02:09.55 | shogunx | Ween do you have a mylex dac960 or similar raid controller? |
| 02:10.15 | lunaphyte | well, the kernel on the disk is vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 currently |
| 02:11.11 | Ween | shogunx, no, its all software |
| 02:11.16 | Ween | shogunx, its using md# |
| 02:11.52 | shogunx | Ween just making sure. |
| 02:12.03 | Ween | i know i wouldnt have deleted the file |
| 02:12.31 | Ween | so i wonder how the machine booted |
| 02:12.37 | Ween | in the first place |
| 02:13.04 | Ween | anyone got a clue? |
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| 02:14.06 | lunaphyte | thanks for the suggestions all. i'll be waiting until morning to try to solve this, when i'm not drooling out of the corner of my mouth. |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | lunaphyte: lay off the glade |
| 02:15.57 | daeos | alrighty then, openssl........ when you install the package where is openssl.h usually placed? or is that file no longer created or used? |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | !find openssl.h sarge |
| 02:16.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'openssl.h' (4): (/usr/include/kde/kopenssl.h) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/include/gnutls/openssl.h) in libdevel/libgnutls11-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/ref.openssl.html) in non-free/doc/phpdoc ;; (/usr/share/doc/pyopenssl-doc/html/openssl.html) in doc/pyopenssl-doc. |
| 02:16.40 | abrotman | daeos: i think you want the second one |
| 02:17.04 | shogunx | there is a bot for apt-file now? |
| 02:17.08 | daeos | think so too... the /usr/include/gnutls/openssl.h .... but with locate openssl.h return finds nothing |
| 02:17.44 | dvs | yay! |
| 02:18.03 | abrotman | daeos: did you install it ? |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | shogunx: dpkg has had that capability for a while |
| 02:18.32 | shogunx | pretty cool! |
| 02:18.59 | daeos | yes |
| 02:19.01 | daeos | its installed |
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| 02:19.18 | abrotman | daeos: updatedb && locate openssl.h |
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| 02:19.23 | lunaphyte | abrotman: nothing but pure opiates for me |
| 02:19.42 | daeos | :) i've done both but i'll do it again |
| 02:20.14 | daeos | still nothing |
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| 02:21.11 | daeos | and if i do apt-get install openssl, it tells me its already installed and that there is nothing to update |
| 02:21.35 | daeos | maybe i should install gnutls? |
| 02:21.49 | daeos | if its not already installed? |
| 02:23.11 | abrotman | daeos: apt-get install libgnutls11-dev && updatedb && locate openssl.h |
| 02:23.58 | daeos | ok, gimme a sec |
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| 02:24.26 | PlutoniumDragon | When doing the base install with the amd64-testing cd I get "failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc". Anyone got any ideas? |
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| 02:25.05 | daeos | perfect! |
| 02:25.20 | daeos | now i can include it in my task! |
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| 02:25.33 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: what if you try to run it manually ? |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | or not |
| 02:27.39 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: It says "chroot: cannot execute mount: No such file or directory" but there is a mount in both /bin and /target/bin |
| 02:28.02 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: and if I mount it outputs the mounted fses |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | what's your path? |
| 02:28.43 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: mount is in the path. The path is /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
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| 02:30.13 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: If I just chroot /target I get: cannot execute /bin/sh: No such file or directory |
| 02:30.33 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: Yet /bin/sh and /target/bin/sh work! |
| 02:30.38 | abrotman | you'd think there would be a /target/bin/sh :) |
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| 02:30.51 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: is this a daily or the beta2? |
| 02:31.09 | liable | is there a /target? |
| 02:31.17 | abrotman | liable: in the installer .. yes |
| 02:31.19 | PlutoniumDragon | liable: Yes. It's populated too |
| 02:31.26 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: I'm not sure I can't remember what I downloaded |
| 02:31.32 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: Should I try with beta2? |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: might be important ... |
| 02:31.39 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: How can I tell? |
| 02:31.58 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: this is pure64? |
| 02:32.17 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 02:33.45 | PlutoniumDragon | I'm really not sure what I have on this DVD. I want to install a AMD64 debian and have the install work (I'd like it to be testing). Which installer should I use? |
| 02:33.59 | Stevie | the debian installer! |
| 02:34.00 | Stevie | ;-) |
| 02:34.17 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: read that link .. then see if any of them affect you |
| 02:34.20 | PlutoniumDragon | Stevie: There are many versions!!!! |
| 02:34.24 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: Some of them might do |
| 02:34.25 | twisted` | I accidently removed a few X files, but now it's all borked up... I can't install it cause it says it's already installed, can't I somehow FORCE it to do so? (-f doesn't work) |
| 02:34.51 | PlutoniumDragon | Should I use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ ? |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | twisted`: --reinstall ? |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:35.20 | twisted` | abrotman: let's try |
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| 02:35.33 | twisted` | abrotman: THANKS |
| 02:35.40 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: Yeah... should I use the weeklies or r2? |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: i don't know enough about the current status if the etch isntaller to really say one or the other .. but check the errata |
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| 02:36.50 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: or try them both! |
| 02:36.51 | m1ke_l | where is my "x700 directory"? ati driver install is asking |
| 02:36.55 | m1ke_l | i have xorg 7 |
| 02:36.57 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: heh |
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| 02:37.02 | twisted` | hmm... I see I gotta reinstall xserver-common but it goes like not gonna install\ |
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| 02:38.16 | gnufan | !smite twisted |
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| 02:38.36 | gnufan | twisted`: what does apt say is wrong now |
| 02:38.54 | PlutoniumDragon | Is it possible to boot a CD ISO off a DVD? |
| 02:39.05 | PlutoniumDragon | I ask because I have a stack of DVDs but no CDs :/ |
| 02:39.14 | abrotman | probaby |
| 02:39.18 | abrotman | use a DVDRW if you can |
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| 02:39.24 | abrotman | !tell todopoder about root |
| 02:39.32 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: I don't have a DVDRW :/ |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: and you thought i was a mean guy :) |
| 02:39.38 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: heh |
| 02:39.49 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: I still think you were! But I appreciate the help now |
| 02:39.51 | twisted` | meh I just fucked up my X and am really annoyed by it... it yells it can't start cause it doesn't have glx and v4l |
| 02:39.58 | twisted` | but I dunno where the hell to get that from |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | they are modules |
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| 02:40.30 | [srjoseph] | our sarge debian stable hangs on reboot when starting up mysqld - we're trying to boot from a cdrom, mount the drive, and remove mysqld from init.d, but we can't see the drive |
| 02:41.18 | [srjoseph] | we're jumping out of the installation process to execute a shell, but even though we're already past hardware detection we just can't see that drive |
| 02:41.24 | powder | Hey all. What are the reasons a package is "kept back" after an 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 02:41.50 | m1ke_l | and how do i get rid of that damn public key message during apt-get update |
| 02:41.55 | shogunx | [srjoseph] have you tried booting into single user mode? |
| 02:42.19 | [srjoseph] | shogunx: don't think so - how would we do that? |
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| 02:42.46 | shogunx | iirc passing init=1 to the kernel at the lilo prompt or at the grub shell. |
| 02:43.11 | abrotman | linux single |
| 02:43.40 | [srjoseph] | shogunx: we don't have a lilo prompt or grub shell - we're working off a ram disk created by the cdrom |
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| 02:45.07 | gnufan | powder: I think the APT HOWTO explains it -- but basically to satisfy the dependencies something bad must happen -- either removing stuff installed, or needing stuff not installed -- often it doesn't matter |
| 02:45.14 | shogunx | [srjoseph] right. you can either a) continue, while loading the modules needed to see your disks manually, or b) reboot from the mbr and enter "linux single" at the lilo prompt. |
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| 02:45.47 | gnufan | powder: by needing stuff not installed I mean "not available at all" (yet). |
| 02:45.59 | shogunx | which will put you at single user mode, without the rc2.d init scripts, and hence, mysql having run yet. |
| 02:46.00 | powder | gnufan, i think you are right. i did an apt-get -s install <package> and it needs to remove a package. |
| 02:46.33 | daeos | didn't work..... so im back to where i was |
| 02:46.51 | powder | gnufan, thanks for your explanation though ;) |
| 02:46.56 | jnc | hey guys, bind9 question here... |
| 02:47.01 | Stevie | ask away |
| 02:47.07 | gnufan | powder: the thunderbird update recently was held back for a few days because I have enigmail, and no enigmail update was available -- so to install thunderbird ir would have to have removed enigmail.... but there are other reasons |
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| 02:47.21 | jnc | http://debian.pastebin.com/674616 |
| 02:47.26 | jnc | do i need the localhost line? |
| 02:47.41 | Stevie | no |
| 02:47.41 | jnc | i don't remember having one on my debian DNS install before |
| 02:47.51 | abrotman | no |
| 02:47.53 | jnc | okay, that should be taken care of by the 127.db right? |
| 02:48.08 | Doctor | is there anything like WinSCP for X? |
| 02:48.17 | Stevie | xscp? :) |
| 02:48.18 | jnc | Doctor: you could use yafc |
| 02:48.19 | gnufan | jnc: bind doesn't care about localhost or not -- it is just a database. Best Practice says put a "localhost" in every domain that has clients in it. |
| 02:48.24 | powder | gnufan, i see. this isn't an important package so i'll try installing it anyways. |
| 02:48.32 | Stevie | yafc? |
| 02:48.36 | jnc | gnufan: so, that line is good ? |
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| 02:48.56 | Stevie | sure won't hurt anything |
| 02:49.13 | gnufan | jnc: what line? |
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| 02:49.30 | jnc | gnufan: i mean, that line with the localhost is a good idea? |
| 02:49.51 | twisted` | k, I really #^%#^@# up my X, what's the name again for that program it runs first time? I want to reinstall all X related stuff |
| 02:50.10 | [srjoseph] | shogunx: that sounds like a great idea, although from rebooting off the hard disk we don't get offered a lilo prompt - how would that a) option work, i.e. loading the modules to see disks manually? |
| 02:50.16 | jnc | i didn't think it would hurt anything, i am wondering if on a more-or-less stock debian sarge install of bind9 whether i need to specify localhost in each zone file as a "best practice" as you say |
| 02:50.22 | gnufan | jnc: I still don;t know which line -- the line in 127.db is to reverse lookup 127.0.0.1 to localhost, it won't lookup localhost to 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:50.38 | jnc | gnufan: the pastebin link shows my config, yo |
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| 02:51.03 | shogunx | [srjoseph] you have a scsi controller, or similar for your disks? |
| 02:51.06 | chealer | m1ke_l: presumably by getting the missing key |
| 02:51.21 | m1ke_l | i just took that out of my repo list |
| 02:51.58 | [srjoseph] | shogunx: i believe we do |
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| 02:52.37 | jnc | twisted`: if it's really pooched, you could apt-get remove --purge things |
| 02:53.22 | twisted` | jnc: ya but all X related things seem to be busted up, I got no idea where to start, lol |
| 02:53.36 | jnc | l o l o m g |
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| 02:53.48 | gnufan | jnc: your -ve TTL is 1D - bad -- all your name servers are on the same network. The localhost is really there to help brain dead clients doubt you'll ever see requests for it, but it won't hurt and might save some broken machine from pain. |
| 02:54.13 | jnc | gnufan: thanks for the advices |
| 02:54.40 | jnc | 3D is the TTL i've seen everywhere, that any bette? |
| 02:54.49 | shogunx | [srjoseph], manually loading modules would be with the modules on a floppy, specifically for your disk controller. i recommend rebooting to the cd, and trying linux26 at the installer prompt. there might be support for your scsi controller with that kernel. |
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| 02:55.17 | gnufan | jnc: negative time to live (last entry in SOA) I'd say 10 minutes is ample for most people |
| 02:55.30 | jnc | ohhh |
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| 02:56.09 | twisted` | jnc: ya it's nasty |
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| 02:56.20 | gnufan | jnc: it is how long things should believe something doesn't exist for, i.e. the speed with which you can add new names (assuming something might have looked for it before). |
| 02:56.21 | shogunx | [srjoseph], at the installer lilo prompt that is. |
| 02:56.22 | twisted` | jnc: apt went like, you need to remove a file from /usr/blaaaa |
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| 02:56.25 | twisted` | and I was like rm |
| 02:56.30 | twisted` | and then it all went BUSTED UP |
| 02:56.47 | jnc | twisted`: zomg lol roflcopter |
| 02:56.50 | twisted` | but there was a program, called baseconfig or something... but it doesn't exist so I must remembered the wrong name |
| 02:56.59 | sabin | is anyone willing to help me with proftpd, it failed an upgrade, now i can't remove it, upgrade it, or anything |
| 02:57.02 | jnc | no way lollerskates! |
| 02:57.07 | Stevie | baseconfig is gone |
| 02:57.11 | Stevie | it was part of the install process |
| 02:57.18 | liable | twisted`: base-config isnt in etch or sid any more |
| 02:57.22 | gnufan | jnc: I think BIND ignores -ve time to live >3hours when it is behaving as a recursive resolver.... |
| 02:57.23 | twisted` | *cries* |
| 02:57.25 | Stevie | if you need to reconfigure x, do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 02:57.26 | abrotman | sabin: got an error message? |
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| 02:57.29 | jnc | base-config went base-buhbye |
| 02:57.30 | twisted` | now what do I do :P rofl |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | Stevie: X in sarge is still xfree |
| 02:57.35 | twisted` | Stevie: already did that |
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| 02:57.39 | twisted` | Stevie: it REFUSES to start |
| 02:57.44 | twisted` | it says X doesn't exist |
| 02:57.55 | liable | twisted`: well how about supplying some errors? |
| 02:57.55 | Stevie | what says X doesn't exist? |
| 02:57.59 | Stevie | xgnostic? |
| 02:58.05 | shogunx | twisted`, make sure the symlinks are correct. |
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| 02:58.06 | jnc | gnufan: okay. noted. i should probably stop being lazy and pick up a copy of an O'Riely Associates book on BIND, hrm... |
| 02:58.24 | jnc | it seems a lot less boring when you explain it |
| 02:58.25 | jnc | kudos |
| 02:58.26 | twisted` | Stevie: well when I try to start X it goes paranoid |
| 02:58.28 | Stevie | lol |
| 02:58.37 | liable | twisted`: /usr/share/doc/x11-common/changelog.gz |
| 02:58.38 | twisted` | and get that blue screen thing |
| 02:58.44 | gnufan | jnc: overkill unless you want to be a guru -- although Cricket really knows his stuff -- talks well to.... |
| 02:58.51 | sabin | abrotman, yeah i got error msg, can i /msg you to paste? |
| 02:58.52 | twisted` | I already did a dist-upgrade |
| 02:58.53 | liable | bsod in debian?? |
| 02:58.58 | Stevie | twisted`: i can't remember what it is, but there's a thing I can say to dpkg that will make it bitch at you for not giving us exact error messages |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:59.03 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | sabin: ^^ |
| 02:59.14 | shogunx | jnc http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/books/networking/DNSBIND/ |
| 02:59.18 | twisted` | Stevie: LOL |
| 02:59.30 | Stevie | :) |
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| 03:00.32 | jnc | shogunx: some lovely forohfourage you've got there, sir |
| 03:00.36 | twisted` | I guess no sleep till bedtime... |
| 03:00.40 | Stevie | do you have your /home on a separate partition? |
| 03:00.45 | twisted` | Stevie: yup ^_^ |
| 03:00.52 | Stevie | then there's not much problem with that |
| 03:01.07 | twisted` | nope besides for the fact that during the install of debian I can't irc |
| 03:01.09 | shogunx | jnc try that, unless you are on windows, as the autokick will get you. http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/books/networking/DNSBIND |
| 03:01.12 | sabin | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2404 |
| 03:01.17 | shogunx | without the trailing slash |
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| 03:01.29 | jnc | ah |
| 03:01.34 | jnc | autokick ? O_o |
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| 03:02.04 | jnc | is gnome terminal really this retarded |
| 03:02.17 | twisted` | jnc: gnome terminal is made for annoyin you :) |
| 03:02.20 | shogunx | jnc windows users were sapping too much bandwidth from my library, so i redirect all requests from msie or windows elsewhere. |
| 03:02.22 | twisted` | jnc: use xterm or eterm |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | !info proftpd etch |
| 03:02.43 | jnc | the stupid @$)(@!%@ thing ... argh. argh! i say. it was dropping the port from the URL |
| 03:02.47 | jnc | why oh why |
| 03:02.48 | dpkg | proftpd: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-27+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 370 kB, Installed size: 988 kB |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | !info proftpd unstable |
| 03:02.58 | sabin | abrotman, I'm on sid |
| 03:03.00 | dpkg | proftpd: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 605 kB, Installed size: 1653 kB |
| 03:03.05 | abrotman | sabin: you did check the BTS .. right ? |
| 03:03.11 | Stevie | shogunx: ... |
| 03:03.22 | twisted` | bad debian, I don't wanna do a reinstall... |
| 03:03.26 | shogunx | Hi Stevie. |
| 03:03.37 | sabin | abrotman, 8-| no no i didn't, i should do that |
| 03:03.37 | Stevie | shogunx: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59&application=firefox |
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| 03:03.49 | abrotman | sabin: you sohuld always start there |
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| 03:04.57 | shogunx | Stevie maybe I should just make it a script that nmap -O's a host before answering a http request. |
| 03:05.05 | Stevie | hahaha |
| 03:05.11 | sabin | abrotman, k, checking... |
| 03:05.31 | jnc | i renig my statement about gnome-terminal, it is not dropping port sepcification |
| 03:05.39 | jnc | shogunx's website just hates me |
| 03:05.48 | Stevie | jnc: s/nig/cant/ |
| 03:06.02 | jnc | perhaps |
| 03:06.13 | shogunx | Stevie it does the trick for the %98 of download 10 things at a time users out there. those that can figure out to change the user-agent string... well, ok. |
| 03:06.37 | shogunx | jnc only if you are running windows;) |
| 03:07.37 | myren | what are the reverse dns records? |
| 03:07.42 | myren | IN PTR? |
| 03:08.11 | jnc | the in-addr.arpa domain |
| 03:08.16 | [srjoseph] | shogunx: we don't have floppy hooked to this box, so we tried reboot from cd, typing linux26 at boot prompt, but it doesn't seem to have changed anything ... we still get "block device required" error trying to mount anything under /dev/scsi |
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| 03:08.29 | Raspberry | this shouldn't be THAT difficult, but how do I check the block size on a fat32 drive in Linux? I've tried hdparm, I used mkdosfs to format two partitions on a drive -- one with the default sector size set and the other -s 32768 ... so I wanted to see if there's a difference -- the reason I ask is because this is a 250GB drive that will hold files ALL larger than 5mb (photos) |
| 03:08.38 | jnc | Stevie: renig is out of common useage, but i think is correct in my use of the word |
| 03:08.51 | [srjoseph] | shogunx: we also heard that cmd-s or ctrl-s during reboot might force single user mode ... cmd-s failed, but will now try crtl-s |
| 03:09.03 | jetscreamer | wtf kind of stupid crap is that. i say apt-get install khexedit and it tells me about some other package having unmet dependencies (i forced openal upgrade for boson) |
| 03:09.05 | myren | isnt there a query type? |
| 03:09.16 | jnc | Raspberry: why the hell would you store photos on a 250GB drive in a vfat filesystem |
| 03:09.17 | shogunx | [srjoseph] /dev/sda would most likely be the device to mount. |
| 03:09.25 | jnc | i mean, really, have you lost your marbles. |
| 03:09.26 | liable | not with devfs |
| 03:09.57 | liable | more like /dev/scsi/host0/..blah |
| 03:10.02 | twisted` | I hope this debian cd is still capable of installing testing/unstable... |
| 03:10.11 | twisted` | it's like _old_ |
| 03:10.12 | liable | tab completion is your friend |
| 03:10.12 | jnc | vfat is not the ideal fs for 250gb storage capability |
| 03:10.21 | jnc | it wasn't even ideal for 800mb drives |
| 03:10.30 | Stevie | jnc: actually, 'renege' (not renig) is to back out of a promise or agreement ('renege on the deal') |
| 03:10.34 | chaedaeX__ | vfat is not ideal for any storage. |
| 03:10.44 | jetscreamer | vfat is your god |
| 03:10.45 | sabin | abrotman, I found all my answers on the BTS, thanks for pointing me there |
| 03:10.51 | gnufan | jetscreamer: you fiddled and left apt unsatisfied last time you did something. apt must be female ;) |
| 03:11.02 | abrotman | sabin: you did? .. i didn't see anything related |
| 03:11.22 | Stevie | jnc: to take back something you've said is 'recant' or 'retract' |
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| 03:11.34 | Raspberry | jnc: how would you suggest I store them so I can access them on Mac / WinXP for editing and Linux ? |
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| 03:11.46 | jnc | Stevie: i promised/inferred that gnome-terminal was the cause of all troubles the world has ever seen. i see your point though. |
| 03:11.55 | gpm | hey all. is there any way to recover data from a fat32 partition i accidentally formatted as xfs, then reformatted as fat32? |
| 03:12.09 | Raspberry | jnc: I was mounting my ext2 drive in Windows and it was corrupting data |
| 03:12.10 | [srjoseph] | shogunx: yes, our other machine is mounted with /dev/sda, but there is no such directory when we boot from the cd |
| 03:12.28 | jetscreamer | AHA |
| 03:12.36 | jnc | Raspberry: paragon sells software that does this perfectly from inferior operating systems like ohsex and vista |
| 03:12.42 | jetscreamer | welcome to udev initrd recent kernel HELL srj |
| 03:12.49 | Stevie | jnc: hehe. It's late and I enjoy a good argument :) (and believe me, it's hard to find someone who can actually carry on a good argument on irc these days) |
| 03:12.50 | Raspberry | gpm: pay somebody to recover the data if you haven't placed anything on the newly formatted disk -- or try and find a data recovery program... if you haven't filled the disk with new data, you should be able to recover it |
| 03:12.52 | powder | ohsex hahaha |
| 03:12.53 | chaedaeX__ | gpm: how did you accidently format a partition? |
| 03:12.56 | jetscreamer | [srjoseph] that is |
| 03:12.57 | peterS | gpm: not trivially, the fat32 format process destroys the FAT, which is most of what you need in order to figure out what files go where |
| 03:13.13 | gpm | chaedaeX__: i'm an imbecile. |
| 03:13.30 | gpm | chaedaeX__: feel free to rub it in |
| 03:13.32 | abrotman | peterS: have you been hiding? |
| 03:13.35 | peterS | gpm: your *data* is going to mostly still be around, but it's going to be really hard to figure out where the file boundaries are |
| 03:13.38 | Stevie | gpm: haha! |
| 03:13.39 | chaedaeX__ | did you accidently launch a console as root, type in mkfs.xfs /dev/hda1 and press enter, all by accident? |
| 03:13.39 | sabin | abrotman, using the fixes for #363915 and #364074 made it work |
| 03:13.40 | peterS | abrotman: I only come out at night |
| 03:13.42 | Raspberry | jnc: I don't follow you? I'm backing up a copy of my photos to an external HDD to put in an off-site safety deposit box |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | sabin: yay! |
| 03:13.51 | abrotman | peterS: avoiding schools too? |
| 03:13.55 | jnc | Stevie: i commit you to convince Raspberry he/she needs to avoid vfat like the plauge (although a very thoughtfully written plauge) it is |
| 03:14.00 | gpm | peterS: any ideas where to start? |
| 03:14.29 | Stevie | gpm: I've felt your pain, by the way. Once had a dual-boot machine with two hard drives. I accidentally used fdisk on /dev/hda instead of /hdb |
| 03:14.29 | peterS | gpm: not really. like someone else suggested, there are companies who specialise in this, they'll do a lot for a few thousand bucks, if your data happens to be worth a lot |
| 03:14.52 | peterS | Stevie: oh, a mere fdisk can usually be recovered with 'gpart'. for future reference. |
| 03:14.57 | Raspberry | jnc: which file system should I be using? |
| 03:15.11 | Stevie | peterS: Did gpart exist 10 years ago? |
| 03:15.20 | peterS | Stevie: I'm not sure, probably not. it existed 5 years ago. |
| 03:15.33 | Stevie | peterS: This was, like, before kernel modules. |
| 03:15.41 | peterS | Stevie: all it does it figures out where your partition boundaries *seem* to be, based on contents, then writes a new partition table to match |
| 03:15.52 | chaedaeX__ | gpm there is a dos program that will scan the filesystem bit by bit |
| 03:15.59 | Stevie | I remember because I had to recompile my kernel to add sound support |
| 03:15.59 | Raspberry | jnc: I'm looking for a file system that I can plug into any machine on the fly... if I have to take it to a printer or plug into a laptop, I don't want to carry around drivers, Fat32 seems to be the universal filesystem for that |
| 03:16.06 | jnc | Raspberry: i would suggest ext3, it's the most reliable one i've used. i don't care what OS, so long as its tools are freely available in F/OSS friendly licensed source code, and it doesn't fail. ever. |
| 03:16.10 | gnufan | Raspberry: everytime I read something by Hans Reiser I feel like I should become a disciple -- but I'm not sure that is good grounds for choosing a file system |
| 03:16.15 | peterS | Stevie: oh, 2.0 kernels had modules but not *sound* modules. so this could have been with a 2.0 kernel |
| 03:16.34 | peterS | Stevie: modules made their debut in 2.0, but sound modules were new in 2.2 |
| 03:16.43 | Stevie | peterS: All I remember was answering ten thousand questions, terrified that I might answer one wrong |
| 03:16.44 | twisted` | one more question :) I am gonna install some more OS' on my pc pretty soon... best to use a loose partition for GRUB then right? |
| 03:16.48 | peterS | heh, yeah |
| 03:16.50 | jnc | reiserfs being the most unreliable filesystem i've *used*. |
| 03:17.04 | jnc | though i hear all the time how bad XFS implementation is in Linux Kernel |
| 03:17.11 | peterS | Stevie: right, menuconfig was a pretty big improvement over make config |
| 03:17.14 | chaedaeX__ | gpm: called tiramisu |
| 03:17.20 | Raspberry | jnc: I've been using ext3 for years and for the last two years I've been accessing ext3 drives through Windows using open source drivers and it is corrupting my data... I get "cannot read from source" mesages and then I boot into Linux and it repairs the drive -- I boot back into Windows and I can use it for a while. I can't be doing that with this data so ext3 is no longer an option |
| 03:17.29 | Stevie | peterS: I've learned a lot since those days. A whole lot. |
| 03:17.42 | Stevie | peterS: Ever seen this? http://stevieo.freeshell.org/uml/adminless-uml-d-i.html |
| 03:17.50 | jnc | Raspberry: there are better ways, my friend |
| 03:17.55 | twisted` | bbl world |
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| 03:18.06 | jnc | had it ever occured to you that sharing your files over SAMBA might be more appropriate? |
| 03:18.09 | gnufan | jnc: you've obviously never used ntfs -- lucky soul |
| 03:18.09 | peterS | Stevie: I haven't |
| 03:18.15 | Raspberry | jnc: well I'd be more than happy to keep using ext3, if it was stable in Windows |
| 03:18.21 | Ween | i keep getting an illega instruction with gawk and awk and those two alone, does anyone have a clue what that may be? |
| 03:18.23 | Stevie | peterS: take a look at it :) |
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| 03:18.31 | Stevie | Ween: call the cops! |
| 03:18.34 | Raspberry | jnc, I can't do that because this drive moves around to different locatiosn |
| 03:18.43 | Ween | Stevie, id be happier with fixing this pos |
| 03:18.54 | Raspberry | so back to my original question |
| 03:18.58 | jnc | if that's the way you see it, enjoy losing your data and have a nice day |
| 03:19.04 | Raspberry | how can I query the block size of a partition? |
| 03:19.10 | jnc | vfat... hehe |
| 03:19.18 | jnc | gets me everytime |
| 03:19.41 | jnc | i like it when i get them, for 120 dollars an hour, to recover crap off fat32 and ntfs formatted partitions. suckers. |
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| 03:19.51 | peterS | Raspberry: what block size? it's pretty much always 512 bytes if you mean the actual block size of the partition |
| 03:19.55 | Stevie | Ween: Does it really say 'illegal instruction'? |
| 03:20.01 | Ween | Stevie, yes it does |
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| 03:20.11 | jnc | Ween: might indicate bad RAM |
| 03:20.19 | Ween | you think? |
| 03:20.20 | jnc | though.... i am probably way off |
| 03:20.20 | Stevie | jnc: Or he's installed the wrong version of libc6 |
| 03:20.21 | peterS | Raspberry: do you actually mean the block size of the *filesystem* on the partition? you'll want to use a tool specific to the filesystem type, like I think 'tune2fs' for ext2 / ext3 |
| 03:20.24 | bengrubb | hi say i have a file on my desktop (windows) and want to ssh it through to a server what is the command to get it from the desktop and put it into a dir on the server |
| 03:20.28 | Raspberry | peterS: i want to set the block size to 32K or 64K -- because the majority of the data is going to be in files larger than 5mb |
| 03:20.37 | jnc | Ween: is this an illegal instruction leading to a coredump |
| 03:20.45 | Ween | jnc: no |
| 03:20.48 | jnc | or awk/gawk telling you that you did something wrong |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | bengrubb: install filezilla |
| 03:21.00 | Ween | i know the command isnt wrong, its part of the initscript |
| 03:21.00 | Stevie | Ween: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:21.03 | Ween | which is my whole problem |
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| 03:21.09 | peterS | Raspberry: right, that'll be an option in the appropriate mkfs utility for your filesystem type |
| 03:21.10 | Ween | i cant even boot into the computer |
| 03:21.10 | bengrubb | thats ftp though |
| 03:21.14 | jnc | a |
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| 03:21.16 | jnc | ah i mean |
| 03:21.16 | jrwr | how do i change the console text size |
| 03:21.20 | Raspberry | peterS: it's a fat32 partition on an external USB drive -- I'm trying to format it with the largest block size possible (32K?) so I can get the most space out of the drive |
| 03:21.20 | peterS | Raspberry: you probably can't change it after the fact, I mean without reformatting the fs |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | bengrubb: filezilla supports scp/sftp |
| 03:21.27 | bengrubb | abortman: i dotn wanna fpt though |
| 03:21.31 | jnc | jrwr: err... depends. |
| 03:21.33 | Raspberry | peterS: i have no problem reformatting... brand new drive |
| 03:21.35 | bengrubb | okk |
| 03:21.38 | Ween | i can boot a live cd just fine |
| 03:21.39 | abrotman | bengrubb: wtf did i just type? |
| 03:21.40 | jrwr | jnc: on what |
| 03:21.42 | jnc | jrwr: which arch, and are you using framebuffer console? |
| 03:21.48 | peterS | Raspberry: look for an option in mkfs.vfat (aka mkdosfs) then, I don't know offhand if it has one or if it just picks whatever makes sense for the size |
| 03:21.53 | jnc | usually loadfonts does something related |
| 03:21.59 | Stevie | Ween: Boot a livecd and cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:22.00 | peterS | Raspberry: I do know that at least in the past you had to pass -F32 to it to make it do FAT32 instead of FAT16 |
| 03:22.06 | Ween | so what i did was boot the livecd and then rsycn and entire server over to this drive |
| 03:22.08 | Raspberry | peterS: I ran mkdosfs with the -s 32678 variable |
| 03:22.21 | Ween | making sure not to overwrite fstab and some others |
| 03:22.22 | jrwr | i386 and no FB |
| 03:22.33 | Ween | i got illegal instructions before, i thought this would fix it |
| 03:22.33 | bengrubb | abortman: is there a way to do it like i.e through putty |
| 03:22.37 | jnc | yeah, loadfonts i think |
| 03:22.45 | abrotman | bengrubb: from the putty site .. grab winscp |
| 03:22.52 | Raspberry | peterS: yeah, I did that... something like... mkdosfs -F 32 -v -n MyDrive -s 32768 /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:23.06 | [srjoseph] | shogunx: ctrl-s got us single user mode - many thanks for your help - now we have to work out why mysqld hangs ... |
| 03:23.11 | jrwr | loadfonts is not found |
| 03:23.14 | peterS | Raspberry: I don't know the mkdsofs options offhand, it sounds like 'man mkdosfs' will do more for you than I can |
| 03:23.16 | Ween | Stevie, booting livecd now |
| 03:23.25 | Raspberry | peterS: all the documentation on the web seems to consist of 300 websites that copied the same MAN page and bolded different parts :P |
| 03:23.26 | shogunx | [srjoseph] no problem. |
| 03:23.30 | peterS | Raspberry: anyway, yeah, it's filesystem-dependent, not partition-dependent, so if you can't set this via mkdosfs I don't know how you would |
| 03:23.38 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: fine .. whatever! .. use filezilla! |
| 03:23.39 | Stevie | Ween: jnc has a good point, though. While you're at it, burn a recent copy of memtest86 |
| 03:23.44 | Stevie | !memtest86 |
| 03:23.44 | dpkg | it has been said that memtest86 is http://memtest86.com/ |
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| 03:24.01 | Ween | Stevie, what am i looking for in this cpuinfo |
| 03:24.05 | Raspberry | peterS: so I was trying to check the volume / partition info to see if the block size was set properly, but I haven't found a good way to do that against a fat32 formatted partition in linux |
| 03:24.21 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I do. The portable version running off of my USB fob to be exact. :) |
| 03:24.22 | Stevie | Ween: copy it to http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 03:24.32 | Ween | k |
| 03:24.34 | peterS | Raspberry: so vfat doesn't have an equivalent to 'dumpe2fs' then? I dunno, do 'dpkg -l dosfstools | grep bin/' to see what's available |
| 03:24.36 | Ween | its still boting |
| 03:24.38 | Ween | booting |
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| 03:24.50 | peterS | Raspberry: err, I mean dpkg -L dosfstools, not dpkg -l |
| 03:25.09 | jnc | jrwr: setfont(s) |
| 03:25.10 | peterS | and yeah, looks like there isn't much there |
| 03:25.14 | jrwr | k |
| 03:25.26 | Raspberry | peterS: yeah, just the fsk and the mk :P |
| 03:25.28 | nok | i got error when apt-get updating--"E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error)\nE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." Where is the corrupted file, how can i rebuild it? |
| 03:25.35 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: hehe |
| 03:25.47 | jnc | Stevie: i've developed a love/hate relationship with RAM!!! |
| 03:25.49 | Raspberry | peterS: well I think that answers my question :) |
| 03:25.50 | acad | i'm looking for a wiki with authentication (objective is to avoid spam pretty much), anybody have a suggestion? |
| 03:25.51 | peterS | Raspberry: well I guess you can try running dosfsck to see if it prints any extra info. after all, in windows you'd get that info from 'chkdsk' |
| 03:26.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: But you know how us wacky BSD types are. :P |
| 03:26.08 | jnc | Stevie: the relationship is not very loving. |
| 03:26.10 | peterS | Raspberry: and indeed, that's your other option, just boot MS-DOS / Windows and run chkdsk |
| 03:26.20 | jrwr | also how do i install the frame buffer? |
| 03:26.28 | jnc | jrwr: it's a kernel feature |
| 03:26.29 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i heard you write penpal letters to Ted Kanzanski(sp?) |
| 03:26.49 | peterS | Kaczynski would be closer but still may not be correct |
| 03:26.55 | powder | the unibonger? |
| 03:27.03 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I do!!! He's my hero! |
| 03:27.06 | abrotman | peterS: i'm not ukranian .. let it slide :) |
| 03:27.12 | abrotman | or polish .. or whatever it is |
| 03:27.12 | peterS | unabomber, right. nothing to do with 420 |
| 03:27.13 | jrwr | and? |
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| 03:27.33 | abrotman | no more landlord and dogs! |
| 03:27.35 | peterS | scarynetworkguy set up us the bomb |
| 03:27.36 | jrwr | rigth now its 2.4.27tsc kernel |
| 03:27.46 | Raspberry | peterS: yeah I think I'll just plug it into my laptop when it finishes up the 41.8GB transfer :P |
| 03:27.49 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: For great OpenBSD justice! |
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| 03:27.55 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Been awhile. How you been? |
| 03:27.57 | peterS | Raspberry: *nod* |
| 03:28.13 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: così così. same as ever. which is to say, fine. |
| 03:28.16 | linrunix | hellos |
| 03:28.18 | jnc | scarynetworkguy: "for great openberkelyness" works nicer, *achem* |
| 03:28.24 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Yay! |
| 03:28.27 | jrwr | i wonder what tsc means |
| 03:28.30 | scarynetworkguy | jnc: CBA. :P |
| 03:28.33 | peterS | jrwr: 'time stamp counter', don't ask (: |
| 03:28.34 | jnc | heh |
| 03:28.48 | jrwr | 586 too |
| 03:28.49 | jnc | TSC refers to the i586 pentium, no? |
| 03:28.53 | peterS | jrwr: it's a feature of real Intel Pentium chips which doesn't work properly on old AMD / Cyrix clones which are otherwise 586-like |
| 03:29.05 | jrwr | lol |
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| 03:29.09 | jnc | some god-awful feature that never worked as intended |
| 03:29.13 | peterS | jrwr: thus the distinction between "586" and "586 with a working TSC feature" |
| 03:29.21 | jrwr | haha |
| 03:29.24 | peterS | it's true |
| 03:29.30 | jrwr | with the F0 work around |
| 03:29.32 | peterS | the Linux kernel can be compiled to use the TSC or not to use it |
| 03:29.36 | jnc | F00F ! |
| 03:29.44 | jnc | i tried that once |
| 03:29.45 | jrwr | LOL! |
| 03:29.52 | peterS | jnc: yeah but do you remember the next two bytes? |
| 03:29.54 | peterS | no fair googling |
| 03:29.56 | jrwr | what does it do? |
| 03:30.03 | Ween | Stevie, http://rafb.net/paste/results/fhBT3g59.html |
| 03:30.05 | peterS | jrwr: locks your machine hard, unless you've worked around it |
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| 03:30.09 | jnc | something like (echo -e 0x0F 0x0F >> /dev/mem) |
| 03:30.14 | jrwr | wow |
| 03:30.18 | jrwr | should 1? |
| 03:30.20 | jrwr | i |
| 03:30.24 | jnc | peterS: i don't :/ |
| 03:30.29 | Stevie | jnc: no, just compile a program |
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| 03:30.38 | Stevie | it was an invalid instruction with a LOCK prefix |
| 03:30.43 | jrwr | oh |
| 03:30.46 | peterS | jrwr: yeah it only worked on real Intel Pentium / Pentium MMX chips, not clones. execute the instruction stream 'f0 0f b7 b8' and any user could lock the machine hard |
| 03:30.48 | Ween | Stevie, ? |
| 03:31.00 | jrwr | wow |
| 03:31.04 | jrwr | how hard? |
| 03:31.15 | jrwr | !softlockup |
| 03:31.18 | peterS | jrwr: but someone at Intel found some weird trick to make it not work, so the next Linux kernel release, about 5 days after the bug was publicised, fixed it! |
| 03:31.26 | jrwr | HAHA |
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| 03:31.36 | jrwr | and windows? |
| 03:31.43 | jnc | windows locks anyways |
| 03:31.44 | jnc | nobody cares |
| 03:31.45 | peterS | jrwr: free software really got the jump there. NT4 *never did* fix this, I guess they fixed it in Windows 2000, *years* later |
| 03:31.54 | jrwr | haha |
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| 03:32.09 | jrwr | so how do i enable FB? |
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| 03:32.18 | jnc | it's a kernel feature. i said that already |
| 03:32.22 | jrwr | and? |
| 03:32.24 | jnc | go check it out. good times |
| 03:32.27 | Ween | Stevie, still unsure how thats helping though |
| 03:32.29 | Stevie | every time someone mentions the f00f bug |
| 03:32.29 | jrwr | how do i install it |
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| 03:32.42 | Stevie | I remember something in #linux on an old irc network from years ago |
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| 03:32.48 | jnc | Stevie: :) |
| 03:32.48 | peterS | jrwr: Ingo Molnar spent about 3 sleepless nights coding the workaround deep in the bowels of the kernel memory management code, and 5 days later zing, Linus was able to release a fixed kernel. it was awesome. |
| 03:33.00 | Stevie | someone asked "anyone here have the f00f bug?" and someone replied "I have the p00n bug. p00n follows me wherever I go" |
| 03:33.11 | jrwr | lol |
| 03:33.18 | jnc | wahah. man was that Efnet? |
| 03:33.27 | jrwr | and this was in 1995-96 |
| 03:33.46 | Stevie | unlikely |
| 03:33.49 | Stevie | I avoid Efnet |
| 03:33.58 | peterS | easy test, btw: |
| 03:33.59 | jnc | IRC was diff'nt back then |
| 03:33.59 | peterS | int main[] = { 0xf0, 0x0f, 0xb7, 0xb8 }; |
| 03:34.02 | peterS | compile that and run it |
| 03:34.07 | Stevie | that place is like a war zone |
| 03:34.08 | Stevie | haha |
| 03:34.14 | peterS | if your machine locks hard, you aren't running a very new kernel |
| 03:34.23 | peterS | if it says "illegal instruction" and laughs at you, perhaps you are |
| 03:34.39 | jnc | peterS: what about lsB/msb? |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | ops peterS is a dirty hacker! |
| 03:34.52 | Stevie | yeah, it should be char main[] |
| 03:34.57 | peterS | jnc: a char array doesn't have endianness issues, the bytes just go one after another |
| 03:35.06 | peterS | Stevie: bah, yes, char. |
| 03:35.22 | jnc | thought so |
| 03:35.24 | peterS | abrotman: but I gave the buggy rendition, Stevie is the dangerous one here |
| 03:35.30 | jrwr | it says it in my dmsg |
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| 03:35.49 | abrotman | peterS: hehe .. |
| 03:35.51 | peterS | jrwr: also if you're running anything newer than a Pentium MMX 233 or so, you won't be affected anyway |
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| 03:36.01 | jrwr | nope its a 120mhz |
| 03:36.05 | peterS | ahh. |
| 03:36.07 | jrwr | no MMX |
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| 03:36.21 | jrwr | 128megs of ram tho |
| 03:36.22 | peterS | right, the affected chips were Pentium 75 through P-MMX 233 or thereabouts |
| 03:36.52 | Taa5i | Hello. I am trying to install Debian onto a Toughbook CF-27 without a CD-Rom drive. I have booted off of the floppies, however it always freezes on detect network hardware as Yenta [for the pcmcia lan card]. Any ideas please? |
| 03:36.54 | jrwr | i still wanna know how to get FB into my kernel |
| 03:37.08 | peterS | which fb, is the question. what kind of graphics chip have you got? |
| 03:37.12 | jrwr | s3 |
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| 03:37.28 | peterS | like a s3 savage series, or s3 virge, or..? |
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| 03:37.40 | jnc | Taa5i: you could maybe use USB ethernet device |
| 03:37.41 | c00i90wn | Hi, can anyone help me with this? -> I've just installed bitlbee backport and apparently it's configured to run with inetd so I do /etc/inetd restart but the bitlbee process doesn't starts :| |
| 03:37.43 | jrwr | my gfx card has the virge |
| 03:37.55 | jrwr | but x did not like it do i did the plain old s3 driver |
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| 03:38.20 | jrwr | my gfx is a STB PowerGrapth 64 |
| 03:38.50 | peterS | jrwr: I don't think there is a fb module for the virge. you'd have to use vesafb or vga16fb |
| 03:38.56 | jnc | oh, STB powergraph 64's. memories. |
| 03:39.02 | jrwr | haha |
| 03:39.11 | jrwr | it does support vesa |
| 03:39.13 | peterS | jrwr: but I never used to have any problem with X on virge, so I wonder if this is new breakage |
| 03:39.24 | jnc | when voodoo's came out, i bought an STB card because i had no loot |
| 03:39.30 | jrwr | its probly the card |
| 03:39.57 | jrwr | but the vesa is well supported |
| 03:40.14 | peterS | jrwr: so wait, are you using the X driver 's3' or 's3virge'? |
| 03:40.15 | jnc | bonus points to the person who can remember what STB was an acronymn for ;) |
| 03:40.22 | peterS | I mean, I guess you should be using the latter |
| 03:40.26 | c00i90wn | no one? |
| 03:40.27 | jrwr | I KNOW THIS |
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| 03:40.52 | peterS | S Three Board? |
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| 03:41.00 | jnc | peterS: incorrect |
| 03:41.11 | jnc | though inventive. |
| 03:41.12 | peterS | I know but it seemed *almost* plausible. I really have no clue |
| 03:41.38 | jrwr | Simple Transfer Boards |
| 03:41.55 | jnc | jrwr: close, ultimately incorrect |
| 03:42.18 | abrotman | stb isn't s3 i don't think |
| 03:42.22 | jrwr | mine is |
| 03:42.26 | jrwr | google it |
| 03:42.33 | abrotman | rather .. not an s3 chip |
| 03:42.53 | peterS | abrotman: they were an OEM who built cards with various chips - a lot with S3 |
| 03:42.56 | jnc | it may have been compatible to s3 virge |
| 03:43.06 | jnc | i remember the STB card i had was a cirrus piece of shit |
| 03:43.07 | abrotman | lspci |
| 03:43.11 | abrotman | what does the line say? |
| 03:43.17 | jrwr | haha |
| 03:43.22 | jrwr | its the Trio |
| 03:43.26 | jrwr | S3 Trio |
| 03:43.28 | peterS | hehe, even better |
| 03:43.30 | abrotman | that's not STB |
| 03:43.31 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 03:43.32 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 03:43.34 | peterS | ...but *which* trio? |
| 03:43.38 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I'm starting to scare myself. |
| 03:43.39 | peterS | I mean, lots of chips had that name on them |
| 03:43.46 | jrwr | hrm |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you like s3 cards? |
| 03:44.01 | jrwr | s3 Trio 64 Chipset |
| 03:44.03 | jnc | STB was/(is?) "Simply The Best" |
| 03:44.05 | abrotman | eep! |
| 03:44.05 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: No. ... |
| 03:44.16 | peterS | jrwr: trio 64 or trio 64v+? the latter is a virge, the former isn't, IIRC |
| 03:44.24 | jrwr | trio64 |
| 03:44.39 | peterS | jrwr: ahhh ... I have this faint memory that those were never supported by xfree86 *at all*. could be incorrect. |
| 03:44.40 | abrotman | they're all crap! |
| 03:44.41 | linrunix | wich module use debian sarge as default for the sis630, integrate multimedia system sound card, (snd_trident, trident, sound)???? |
| 03:44.48 | scarynetworkguy | Yay |
| 03:44.52 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you think the simpons has been going downhill ? |
| 03:45.02 | jrwr | OH NOES |
| 03:45.05 | peterS | they did jump the shark awhile back, didn't they? |
| 03:45.06 | jrwr | it says in lspci |
| 03:45.08 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: For years. |
| 03:45.19 | jd|laptop | I'm having a problem playing any type of audio with sid and kernel 2.6.12-1 |
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| 03:45.25 | jrwr | its a s3trio32/64/64v+ |
| 03:45.29 | jnc | american culture has been plummeting faster than the simpsons has though |
| 03:45.34 | jd|laptop | the audio file loads but never actually plays |
| 03:45.37 | jnc | it all makes the simpsons remain constant |
| 03:45.37 | peterS | jrwr: right so I think that *is* a virge, that's what the V meant |
| 03:45.44 | unix_infidel | jd|laptop: might be a permissions issue. |
| 03:45.50 | jd|laptop | if I run strace, it ends with an infinte loop of nanosleep({0,1000000}) = 0 |
| 03:45.55 | scarynetworkguy | Oh a long time ago. But much like the Roman Empire they have a *long* way to fall so they still have their moments. |
| 03:45.57 | peterS | jrwr: lspci totally needs a switch --how-you-really-feel that says things like "OH NOES" when it sees a chip it knows linux doesn't support |
| 03:46.03 | linrunix | alsa says (no loaded)???? |
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| 03:46.07 | jd|laptop | I've set the max-user-freq to 1024, unix_infidel, are there other permissions I need to set? |
| 03:46.09 | jrwr | lol |
| 03:46.12 | jnc | peterS: totally |
| 03:46.12 | jrwr | its a 64v+ |
| 03:46.16 | jrwr | but |
| 03:46.22 | jrwr | ive got X running! |
| 03:46.27 | unix_infidel | jd|laptop: add the user to the appropriate group. |
| 03:46.27 | jrwr | at full res! |
| 03:46.31 | jrwr | with the std s3 drive |
| 03:46.35 | Taa5i | jnc: I have an external usb hard-drive, however the guide says to use that for installation requires zcatting and such from a gnu environment, and my only other machine is windows. Is there an alternative please? |
| 03:46.35 | jrwr | driver |
| 03:46.37 | jnc | peterS: i think i hit X --your-dual-head-esplode once |
| 03:46.40 | linrunix | any help? |
| 03:46.42 | jd|laptop | unix_infidel, I did- I used to be able to play audio but the last update broke it |
| 03:46.51 | jnc | Taa5i: who are you |
| 03:47.00 | peterS | jrwr: the s3 driver might load s3virge automatically. the ati driver does this with sub-modules radeon, rage128, etc. |
| 03:47.25 | jrwr | i did the s3v driver but it failed |
| 03:47.30 | Taa5i | jnc: Sorry, I was asking about Yenta freezing an installation just a moment ago. |
| 03:47.30 | jnc | if in doubt, dig up the cirrus driver |
| 03:47.39 | jrwr | hahah |
| 03:47.41 | peterS | there is no driver named s3v anymore, it's called s3virge |
| 03:47.49 | jrwr | i know |
| 03:47.53 | jrwr | i was being lazy |
| 03:47.54 | jnc | Taa5i: ah |
| 03:48.05 | jnc | Taa5i: what hardware model again (laptop)? |
| 03:48.10 | peterS | the XFree86 3.3 server name was XF86_S3V or something, but that's ... kind of old |
| 03:48.19 | Taa5i | jnc: Panasonic Toughbook CF-27, floppy drive but no cd. |
| 03:48.35 | peterS | jrwr: well, I could be mistaken about the virgeness of the trio64v+ boards |
| 03:48.48 | jrwr | all i need is a FB tho |
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| 03:49.21 | jrwr | atlest i dont have a Stealth Video 2500 |
| 03:49.37 | peterS | anyway, either virge or non-virge, there's no chip-specific framebuffer for it. the only S3 chips supported directly by framebuffers are the newish S3 Savage series |
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| 03:49.49 | peterS | so if you want framebuffer you're probably stuck with vesafb |
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| 03:49.56 | jrwr | thata fine |
| 03:50.02 | jrwr | im not running anything big |
| 03:50.09 | BlackDragon42 | How about S3 Savage 4 cards? |
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| 03:50.40 | peterS | yes, those are supported by the 'savagefb' kernel module |
| 03:50.50 | jnc | Taa5i: i hate to say this, but you should probably install Ubuntu (which is NOT debian and is NOT supported here on #debian IRC)... http://biobug.org/toughbook/ |
| 03:51.00 | jnc | Taa5i: unless you specifically want Debian |
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| 03:51.27 | jnc | start small, make it work, when you're skilled enough to figure this out yourself, install debian. |
| 03:51.41 | BlackDragon42 | My card is non-accelerated and has trouble with OpenGL> |
| 03:51.44 | jrwr | well |
| 03:51.47 | BlackDragon42 | . |
| 03:52.03 | jrwr | modprobe vesafb failled like hell |
| 03:52.10 | jrwr | softlocked the kernel too |
| 03:52.43 | jnc | jrwr: that's not right, i mean, modprobing vesa |
| 03:53.05 | jnc | build one FB driver into your kernel |
| 03:53.12 | jrwr | hrm analprob is fun |
| 03:53.18 | jrwr | how? im on a 120mhz P! |
| 03:53.19 | jrwr | p1 |
| 03:53.44 | jnc | i don't know, do it like they do it on the techtv channel |
| 03:53.56 | peterS | jrwr: I dunno, I wouldn't try it with X running. that's the first thing |
| 03:53.58 | Taa5i | jnc: Thank you, I will look into that. |
| 03:54.03 | abrotman | with juggies? |
| 03:54.06 | abrotman | oh .. wrong channel |
| 03:54.13 | jrwr | hide the fact there using a p4 2.4ghz and not a 120mhz p1 |
| 03:54.19 | jnc | Taa5i: debian is where i want to be, i tried Ubuntu and that was a useful starting point. |
| 03:54.58 | jrwr | you know what |
| 03:55.03 | jrwr | i migth install FreeBSD |
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| 03:55.09 | jrwr | migth run better on here |
| 03:55.23 | BlackDragon42 | FreeBSD is pretty cool... |
| 03:55.23 | jnc | jrwr: see you when it's done compiling. |
| 03:55.31 | jrwr | thats like 15 days |
| 03:55.35 | Stevie | jnc: You must be thinking of Gentoo |
| 03:55.39 | BlackDragon42 | Done that for a little while. |
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| 03:55.45 | Stevie | !funroll-loops |
| 03:55.46 | dpkg | -funroll-loops is a favorite compile time flag of the -O9999999 crowd. It's also an interesting collection of observations about the "compile everything with random CFLAGS" phenomenon which is sweeping the land, and which Gentoo is a prime example. See http://www.funroll-loops.org |
| 03:55.49 | jnc | Stevie: heh, oh. |
| 03:56.04 | jnc | that was totally subconcious, my apologies to *BSD |
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| 03:56.44 | Stevie | I can't believe anybody actually bothers to use gentoo |
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| 03:57.26 | BlackDragon42 | ??? |
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| 03:57.41 | jnc | it's like dressing up in women's clothes |
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| 03:58.04 | jnc | if you're the girly high maintainence type worried about having the latest of everything in fashion, hey maybe it's for you |
| 03:58.08 | jnc | but we all try it once. |
| 03:58.09 | BlackDragon42 | Ha ha ha. |
| 03:58.14 | Stevie | no, no |
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| 03:58.29 | Stevie | Dressing in drag might have its merits |
| 03:58.37 | Stevie | (I can't imagine any, but it might) |
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| 03:58.45 | Stevie | Spending three days compiling kde |
| 03:58.48 | Stevie | no merit. |
| 03:59.05 | zOrK | ? |
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| 03:59.11 | jnc | Stevie: you might spend 6 hours picking out an outfit to wear the drag show, you scheduled 2 days in advance |
| 03:59.31 | jnc | so you can display yourself on the open forum, strutting your swimsuit made of CFLAGS |
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| 03:59.40 | zOrK | hello Stereo |
| 03:59.42 | zOrK | Stevie |
| 04:00.08 | Stevie | jnc: have you read funroll-loops.org ? |
| 04:00.14 | mbishop | hi jnc :P |
| 04:00.32 | zOrK | fucking SAT |
| 04:00.47 | zOrK | I think that I am gonna have -700 points |
| 04:00.58 | jnc | is there a soul amongst us who hasn't at least thought about dressing up in women's clothes? nope. it's totally hot. so is gentoo. in fact, gentoo melted my laptop's keyboard into the heatsink frame, destroying it. |
| 04:01.02 | mbishop | you get like 100 for spelling your name right |
| 04:01.09 | zOrK | 200 |
| 04:01.22 | zOrK | But I can lose it If I have bad answers |
| 04:01.26 | Stevie | mbishop: so he's going to spell his name wrong |
| 04:01.28 | BlackDragon42 | Nah, you'll be eaten by a grue first! |
| 04:01.34 | BlackDragon42 | LOL |
| 04:01.43 | jnc | mbishop: cousin of mine she gets 1550 on her SAT. i kid her, "hey i bet you got your name spelled wrong" |
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| 04:02.25 | zOrK | With 1550 She could study everywhere, right? |
| 04:02.36 | zOrK | (I dont know much about SAT system) |
| 04:03.00 | jnc | she does things like calculate the distances between planets based on molecular frequencies of hydrogen atoms travelling out from solar flare burst interference.... yet she loses her pasport and gets her dumb ass stuck in the czech republic |
| 04:03.05 | jnc | something like that |
| 04:03.08 | jnc | geography isn't my thing |
| 04:03.25 | jnc | yeah |
| 04:03.28 | peterS | zOrK: max is 1600, so 1550 is excellent, but there are lots of things universities look at beyond test scores. she'll get into a lot of places but it's not *automatic* or anything |
| 04:03.34 | jnc | she's studying at a lot of different places lately |
| 04:03.42 | jnc | well |
| 04:03.55 | jnc | she's studying how to get out of the czech republic this last month |
| 04:03.59 | jnc | heh heh |
| 04:04.01 | zOrK | oh |
| 04:04.02 | zOrK | ok |
| 04:04.09 | jml6 | it's out of 2400 or 1800 nowadays |
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| 04:04.23 | peterS | oh it is? I'm way out of date |
| 04:04.25 | jnc | hers was 1550/1600 then |
| 04:04.38 | zOrK | peterS things like what? |
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| 04:05.06 | jml6 | yeah, the switched to a new test style last year. it now includes a writing section along with some other english section |
| 04:05.11 | jnc | universities look at new students as any business might make an investment |
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| 04:05.32 | jnc | smarter graduates mean they can have a better reputation, and raise the rates of tuition |
| 04:05.33 | peterS | zOrK: well some schools will look at a 1550 and piss all over themselves wanting to get you. but the selective ones also look at high school performance, the kinds of classes you took, the activities you got involved with outside class, they make you write a short essay, etc., etc. |
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| 04:06.06 | zOrK | oh |
| 04:06.06 | peterS | zOrK: the top schools want not just someone who aces tests but someone who's an interesting person and has done interesting things |
| 04:06.21 | abrotman | yeah ... like me! |
| 04:06.22 | zOrK | ic |
| 04:06.26 | zOrK | ahahah |
| 04:06.29 | jnc | peterS: or perhaps your daddy is president of the United States |
| 04:06.32 | seek | how can I download additional stuff from my debian box |
| 04:06.35 | zOrK | abrotman What do you did? |
| 04:06.36 | peterS | jnc: that sometimes helps too |
| 04:06.37 | jnc | "IQ? nah. not required" |
| 04:06.39 | BlackDragon42 | Like? |
| 04:06.47 | jml6 | word on the street is that some college applications will stop requiring an essay since they can view your writing ability on the SAT. |
| 04:07.00 | jnc | seek: 'apt-get' command is a frontend for dpkg toolset |
| 04:07.02 | abrotman | zOrK: english is your first language? |
| 04:07.06 | zOrK | nop |
| 04:07.07 | zOrK | is not |
| 04:07.08 | peterS | jml6: oh that's included in the SAT now? back in my day it was all computer-graded multiple-choice |
| 04:07.13 | jnc | dpkg being the foundation of package management on a Debian based system |
| 04:07.13 | zOrK | I have to take the TOEFL |
| 04:07.24 | jnc | seek: new to Debian? |
| 04:07.35 | abrotman | oh .. i heard TOEFL is not fun at all |
| 04:07.44 | zOrK | Nop, is not |
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| 04:07.52 | peterS | heh, I wonder how many Americans would pass the TOEFL on the first try, without studying |
| 04:07.54 | zOrK | I am studying for the TOEFL.. |
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| 04:08.04 | zOrK | aahahaha |
| 04:08.07 | zOrK | dont scare me! |
| 04:08.07 | peterS | I mean, we all speak English natively ... but I bet people would fail it anyway |
| 04:08.08 | abrotman | peterS: clear'y n't y'u |
| 04:08.22 | zOrK | TOEFL is some kind of Redaction Test |
| 04:08.22 | peterS | zOrK: oh, not because it's necessarily hard (though I suppose it is) but because we're stupid |
| 04:08.23 | zOrK | that is |
| 04:08.24 | jml6 | peterS, yeah they still computer grade the other sections, but they hire people to grade essays. Must be expensive, but I don't believe the cost of the test increased at all... |
| 04:08.25 | jnc | peterS: diz you in't spittin me, fool |
| 04:08.33 | jnc | peterS: bust yo good |
| 04:08.38 | peterS | werd |
| 04:08.41 | jnc | mothafucker. |
| 04:08.48 | etrask | f'realz |
| 04:08.50 | jnc | (you gotta ad the big mf bomb) |
| 04:09.15 | etrask | so i haven't been able to use my Debian system [for anything useful] because my network card isn't supported |
| 04:09.17 | seek | jnc yes I am |
| 04:09.26 | zOrK | Thanks to Linux I learned a lot of english, you know, Reading documentations.. |
| 04:09.27 | etrask | i was wondering if the new r2 supports it now, and i don't wanna burn a CD to find out |
| 04:09.27 | peterS | jnc: I was just re-watching 'Airplane 2' the other day, the funniest part is where the 70s-era black dude testifies in court and they print subtitles from jive to english |
| 04:09.35 | jml6 | etrask, can't you find a driver for it? |
| 04:09.42 | etrask | ah, yeah |
| 04:09.49 | jnc | seek: welcome friend. your skill in installing difficult-to-understand operating systems has increased by one point. what would you like to do next? |
| 04:09.56 | etrask | but the version of debian on there for some reason hates my floppy drive too |
| 04:10.01 | etrask | it's a fairly new network card i think |
| 04:10.07 | jnc | peterS: wahaha. the jive turkey |
| 04:10.15 | peterS | etrask: debian 3.1r0 -> 3.1r2 doesn't add new hardware support, unfortunately. do you know what kind of network card we're talking? |
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| 04:10.21 | etrask | VIA Networking Velocity Family Giga-bit Ethernet Adapter |
| 04:10.29 | seek | jnc can we go private? |
| 04:10.33 | jnc | sure buddy |
| 04:10.53 | peterS | etrask: hmmm, I thought the via velocity was supported in 2.6.8, but perhaps not, let me have a look |
| 04:11.32 | etrask | on the net install cd, i went through every driver listed, and none of them worked :( |
| 04:11.37 | seek | it has been awhile since I have been in irc how do we go private |
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| 04:11.45 | peterS | etrask: there's certainly a 'via-velocity' network driver. it may or may not know about all new chip variants |
| 04:12.03 | peterS | etrask: also, did you boot the 2.6 kernel? you type 'linux26' at the 'Boot:' prompt. it's not the default. |
| 04:12.10 | jnc | seek: /msg user my message |
| 04:12.26 | etrask | i will try that, peterS... unfortunately i gotta reboot to try it :P |
| 04:12.46 | peterS | etrask: yeah, try that, the 2.4.27 kernel (the default) will *not* support that chip, I suspect, so that just might be your only problem |
| 04:12.56 | etrask | cool, thank you |
| 04:13.16 | jnc | i don't know anyone who actually likes 2.4.x kernel development |
| 04:13.27 | seek | it is saying I need to register |
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| 04:13.46 | jnc | seek: yea, see http://freenode.net/ for help |
| 04:13.55 | jnc | seek: there's channel services on freenode |
| 04:14.04 | jnc | if you wanna do this on GTalk, i'm lucent@gmail.com |
| 04:14.50 | etrask | thanks again, peterS |
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| 04:14.52 | seek | well that is ok i guess we can sort through all the others talk |
| 04:15.16 | peterS | seek: it's an anti-spam measure, spambots used to try to priv-msg people _all_ the time, so requiring registration (by default - individual users can disable this requirement, and I have done so) was a popular move |
| 04:15.21 | seek | so I want to download mysql and desktop so apt-get does not get me the screen that I emember |
| 04:15.37 | retrevady | how get photos cel in linux? |
| 04:15.54 | abrotman | photos cel ? |
| 04:16.04 | abrotman | peterS: translate please! |
| 04:16.06 | jnc | seek: you're also welcome to join #freematrix, lower traffic |
| 04:16.13 | ultimated | how can i change the welcome message for pure-ftpd |
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| 04:16.50 | peterS | abrotman: how do you mean, translate "please"? «s'il vous plaît» «per favore» «bitte» |
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| 04:17.11 | abrotman | gah! |
| 04:17.16 | peterS | errr, once more, with utf8 ... «s'il vous plaît» «per favore» «bitte» |
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| 04:18.00 | zOrK | ? |
| 04:18.06 | peterS | and there's no word for please in Lingala, though there is a polite form of imperative so people just use that |
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| 04:18.52 | twisted` | >_< |
| 04:18.56 | peterS | abrotman: I have never heard of 'photos cel' if that is what you thought I could help with |
| 04:19.04 | jetscreamer | i doubt if there is the word please in the language of Mordor either |
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| 04:19.17 | twisted` | guess what! not only did I fuck up my X! but now! my / is gone and it tells me it cannot install!!! w00t w00t w00t |
| 04:19.20 | twisted` | >_< |
| 04:19.24 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. sorry to confuse |
| 04:19.26 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 04:19.31 | jetscreamer | photocell ? |
| 04:19.31 | peterS | jetscreamer: ...which we shall not utter here |
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| 04:20.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dynamic-216-211-70-105.tbaytel.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 04:20.33 | jnc | dondelelcaro: ? curious, i'm not affected. what are those about |
| 04:20.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: quux was talking to zrii a bit |
| 04:21.08 | jetscreamer | you didn't ban quux did you |
| 04:21.12 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but i think he was lying to him .. saying clearly false things |
| 04:21.17 | dondelelcaro | jnc: check out your scrollback from ~3.5 yours ago |
| 04:21.24 | jnc | heh. alright thanks |
| 04:21.37 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: could be... I'm on really crappy connection now, so I can't check it all that easily. |
| 04:21.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: stop IRCing on your phone! |
| 04:21.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:22.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah, it's a hotel in brasil |
| 04:22.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you bastard! |
| 04:23.25 | jnc | the same brazil that invaded flickr? |
| 04:24.03 | dondelelcaro | could be... I don't really track the latest net memes very well. |
| 04:24.08 | deadcat | */10 18-23 * * * autorrent > /tmp/autorrent.log 2> /tmp/autorrent.error |
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| 04:24.25 | chaedaeX__ | i've been tinkering with aliened rpm's of oracle-instantclient one step to getting it to run was updating ld.so.conf with a path to oracle shared libs. then later on when i straced an app i noticed that that every branch of that newly added path was being constantly checked by apps. |
| 04:24.29 | deadcat | is that every 10min between 6pm-12am? |
| 04:25.06 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah |
| 04:25.10 | deadcat | thanks |
| 04:25.20 | deadcat | got to make sure. (= |
| 04:25.42 | dondelelcaro | chaedaeX__: don't do that; just make a script htat sets LD_PATH before it calls the oracle clients. |
| 04:25.57 | dondelelcaro | s/PATH/LIBRARY_PATH/ |
| 04:26.03 | dondelelcaro | chaedaeX__: man ld.so for details |
| 04:26.35 | chaedaeX__ | dondelelcaro: so ya, i just tried creating a wrapper that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH but it complains it can't find a shared lib |
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| 04:27.02 | peterS | abrotman: wow. just read the bits with your buddy zrii. I could've *sworn* it was only Friday |
| 04:27.04 | chaedaeX__ | like its ignoring it or else maybe the binary was compiled somehow that it searches for it somewhere else??? |
| 04:27.05 | dondelelcaro | chaedaeX__: what did you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to and what did strace say? |
| 04:27.42 | dondelelcaro | chaedaeX__: it's possible that it has rpath set, but that would cause it to ot work with ld.so.conf settings anyway. |
| 04:27.44 | chaedaeX__ | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$ORACLE_HOME/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH when i invoke sqlplus it says it can't find libsqlplus.so which is there |
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| 04:28.02 | dondelelcaro | chaedaeX__: you export LD_LIBRARY_PATH again, right? |
| 04:28.03 | abrotman | peterS: lorez had banned him earlier today when he was fstab0r |
| 04:28.14 | peterS | *nod* |
| 04:28.18 | chaedaeX__ | dondelelcaro: yes in the wrapper right after that line i export it :-) |
| 04:28.34 | chaedaeX__ | oh shoot |
| 04:29.00 | chaedaeX__ | ugh, i pasted another export line and forgot to update it! |
| 04:29.14 | chaedaeX__ | it works now |
| 04:29.21 | dondelelcaro | heh. cool. |
| 04:29.37 | chaedaeX__ | thanks |
| 04:30.19 | abrotman | peterS: he actually told quux in /msg that he was kspath's brother |
| 04:30.35 | peterS | abrotman: this being true, or not, or indeterminate? |
| 04:30.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: That's not what I told you. |
| 04:31.12 | abrotman | peterS: totally false |
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| 04:32.54 | concept10 | anyone here ever cleaned a laptop? I wonder if I crack it open and clean the fans and such, would it quiet down a bit.... |
| 04:32.55 | bk | DCC SEND ASFASDFSDFSDSD |
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| 04:33.33 | abrotman | still potent from brasil! |
| 04:33.38 | jiunshyong | hi, newbie here, how do i enable gnome's printer configuration in gnome control centre |
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| 04:34.09 | jiunshyong | i can't find printer configuration in gnome unlike in ubuntu distro |
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| 04:35.38 | swim_ | hey |
| 04:35.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: it counts backwards! |
| 04:35.54 | concept10 | jiunshyong, I think the app is gnome-cups-manager |
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| 04:36.39 | jiunshyong | why debian stable release does not contain gnome printer configuration, as this is a basic neccessity for new users |
| 04:36.42 | MrBond82 | Does anyone know how to configure shorewall for a home gateway to allow azureus traffic to a static ip box on the network? |
| 04:36.48 | jiunshyong | just like in ubuntu debian |
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| 04:37.08 | concept10 | jiunshyong, dont compare ubuntu with debian |
| 04:37.10 | swim | hey |
| 04:37.11 | abrotman | jiunshyong: did you install cupsys ? |
| 04:37.11 | streuner | jiunshyong: debian isn't ubuntu |
| 04:37.17 | peterS | eh, there is no 'ubuntu debian', they are a completely different project with different focuses |
| 04:37.27 | streuner | jiunshyong: what kind of printer do you have? |
| 04:37.31 | jiunshyong | there is a printer configuration in kde under kprinter for debian but i can't add any new printer |
| 04:37.48 | jiunshyong | this really discourages newbies like me on supporting debian |
| 04:38.01 | swim | folks, is there anyway to just show nothing (a black screen) when booting? not using a bootsplash that is? |
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| 04:38.25 | abrotman | !info printconf sarge |
| 04:38.26 | jiunshyong | am using hp printer laserjet 5L in the office connected via ip |
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| 04:38.33 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 04:39.17 | hrtp | can i install 'fail2ban' on stable? |
| 04:39.53 | streuner | hrtp: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:40.24 | jiunshyong | i think all distro's gnome has printer configuration except debian |
| 04:40.48 | hrtp | streuner: im running 3.1 sarge |
| 04:41.15 | dondelelcaro | jiunshyong: and you've got gnome-cups-manager installed? |
| 04:41.21 | jiunshyong | i am notsure |
| 04:41.37 | jiunshyong | can i apt-get it? |
| 04:41.45 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 04:41.46 | dondelelcaro | jiunshyong: yes... |
| 04:41.47 | concept10 | jiunshyong, check and see if you have it first |
| 04:41.55 | jiunshyong | ok thks |
| 04:42.33 | concept10 | you could have the app install and just not have a menu entry for it |
| 04:42.57 | concept10 | but the debian menu seems to grab all apps |
| 04:43.17 | jiunshyong | it's not installed |
| 04:43.23 | abrotman | so install it |
| 04:43.24 | jiunshyong | am installing it now |
| 04:43.25 | streuner | tarzeau: is fail2ban in backports? |
| 04:43.36 | dondelelcaro | streuner: dunno, but it's a tirival package. |
| 04:43.42 | jiunshyong | anyway i used binary 1 cd for sarge installation |
| 04:44.00 | concept10 | netinstall? |
| 04:44.05 | jiunshyong | but i think at least binary 1 should have installed cups manager by default |
| 04:44.13 | jiunshyong | nopes, binary 1 cd install |
| 04:44.15 | dondelelcaro | jiunshyong: there is no default install. |
| 04:44.29 | jiunshyong | ubuntu has 1 cd and it comes with gnome printer configuration |
| 04:44.53 | dondelelcaro | jiunshyong: you select a task, and if you select desktop, it probaly should include that package; it may not currently tough. |
| 04:45.01 | concept10 | jiunshyong, good reason to start a new distro... jiunshyong gnu/linux with auto print configuration |
| 04:45.28 | jiunshyong | i selected dekstop |
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| 04:45.35 | dondelelcaro | jiunshyong: if you're interested in helping out with that, there is currently a tread on -devel about the tasks and there will probably be some more discussion at debconf about that very subject. |
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| 04:45.50 | jiunshyong | i think this is a basic necessity for printer configuration |
| 04:45.56 | jiunshyong | especially for newbies |
| 04:46.14 | dondelelcaro | jiunshyong: it may be necessary for you, but a lot of us configure our printers using an editor with /etc/printacap |
| 04:46.15 | jiunshyong | as they will be discouraged to use debian if there's no basic printer config thru gnome |
| 04:46.23 | _Ben_ | Howdy. I was wondering how to terminate X and return to my console. Every time I try ctrl+alt+backspace the X server just restarts. |
| 04:46.32 | xixor | Howdy |
| 04:46.37 | swim | folks, is there anyway to just show nothing (a black screen) when booting? not using a bootsplash that is? |
| 04:46.45 | dondelelcaro | jiunshyong: in any case, complaining isn't going to help; jump in and help out. |
| 04:46.45 | BlackDragon42 | Logout |
| 04:46.48 | concept10 | jiunshyong, well, from my observation, complaining in #debian will not accomplish anything. If you report that upstream, maybe it could be changed |
| 04:46.53 | xixor | _Ben_: try using cntrl+alt+1 to switch to the console |
| 04:47.01 | jiunshyong | ok got it, thks |
| 04:47.17 | swim | or disable boot messages? |
| 04:47.20 | _Ben_ | xixor: Well, if it works thanks. I'll probably disapear. |
| 04:47.21 | jiunshyong | how do i report this in upstream? |
| 04:47.24 | dondelelcaro | swim: have it use a serial console, and not the normal console. |
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| 04:47.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell jiunshyong about reportbug |
| 04:47.50 | vahvarh | what's up with XORG7 on amd64? |
| 04:48.00 | dondelelcaro | vahvarh: be more specific. |
| 04:48.12 | swim | dondelelcaro: hmm Im not sure what that means, have any google search parameters I should use to find out how to do that? |
| 04:48.15 | vahvarh | as I understand it is broken. |
| 04:48.35 | dondelelcaro | !broken |
| 04:48.36 | dpkg | broken is, like, mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/ or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you. |
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| 04:49.49 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, broken is <reply> Telling us that something is broken is fairly useless. You need to tell us exactly what is failing, and what you expected it to do. Ask me about <doesn't work> |
| 04:49.49 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 04:50.59 | zasz | anyone ever get debian running on a g3 laptop |
| 04:51.08 | dondelelcaro | zasz: lots of people have. |
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| 04:51.53 | zasz | darn thing refuses to boot off the cd no matter what I do. |
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| 04:51.53 | vahvarh | Some core packets are missing. More of it, recently I tried upgrading and it upgraded fonts-only, while they use new update-font-dirs binaries which belong to xorg7 and were not installed (since they a missing) and all cyrillic fonts diapeared. Had to downgrade fonts. |
| 04:51.53 | zasz | maybe I burned the iso wrong (I've burned hundreds of isos before though) |
| 04:51.53 | dondelelcaro | vahvarh: are you using testing or unstable? |
| 04:51.59 | dondelelcaro | vahvarh: have you checked the bts already? |
| 04:52.14 | vahvarh | unstable. Package xserver-xorg-input-kbd is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 04:52.20 | vahvarh | bts=? |
| 04:52.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell vahvarh -about bts |
| 04:53.45 | becK^ | i found some bug ond package pppd. |
| 04:54.34 | dondelelcaro | becK^: use reportbug to file the bug. |
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| 04:54.50 | becK^ | yes i'll do |
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| 04:56.31 | IceTox | sorry about those nick changes. had to check for something :-) |
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| 04:56.51 | dondelelcaro | IceTox: was just about to ask you to stop doing that. ;-) |
| 04:57.03 | IceTox | dondelelcaro, It was a link issue :-) |
| 04:57.14 | roler | I am using gnome 2.14 and trying to find a way to display a message myself in the notification area (the baloon style popups) |
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| 04:57.41 | vahvarh | Hm. I dont understand. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg-input-kbd shows that package is available(?) for amd64 while following the link shows it does not exist. |
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| 04:59.09 | xomhau | morning * |
| 04:59.29 | Rizzer | good afternoon |
| 04:59.47 | dondelelcaro | vahvarh: not all mirrors carry amd64. |
| 04:59.53 | dondelelcaro | vahvarh: you need to find a mirror that does. |
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| 05:00.04 | HellDragon | hi |
| 05:00.13 | xomhau | deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ testing main contrib non-free :D |
| 05:00.23 | dondelelcaro | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-input-keyboard/xserver-xorg-input-kbd_1.0.1.3-2_amd64.deb FE works. |
| 05:00.31 | dondelelcaro | xomhau: that's no longer the right URL for unstbale. |
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| 05:00.38 | _ben_ | So I need to actually kill off X before it'll let me install the NVidia driver. How can I do that? |
| 05:00.45 | HellDragon | penis |
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| 05:00.53 | HellDragon | oops |
| 05:00.53 | _ben_ | I mean, when I'm in a text terminal with X running it won't even give me a PIPE! |
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| 05:01.07 | _ben_ | It substitutes a tilda for where my pipe should be! |
| 05:01.08 | dondelelcaro | _ben_: ctrl-alt-bkspace |
| 05:01.17 | _ben_ | dondelelcaro: When I do that X just restarts. |
| 05:01.34 | dondelelcaro | _ben_: uh. so drop to a conole with ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 05:01.52 | _ben_ | dondelelcaro: I did that and aparently that means X is still running. |
| 05:01.54 | xomhau | dondelelcaro, testing that link right? |
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| 05:02.16 | Rizzer | dondelelcaro: low long does the ban last? |
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| 05:02.40 | Aghaster | hi, does anybody know a utility to show current keymap and modify it? like a graphical tool for xmodmap? |
| 05:02.47 | unstable | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.00 | dondelelcaro | _ben_: sure, then you cal kill off X or xdm or whatever isstarting X. |
| 05:03.07 | vahvarh | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian sid main contrib - no xserver-xorg-input-kbd present =( |
| 05:03.14 | Rizzer | s/low/how/ |
| 05:03.21 | vahvarh | amd64.debian.net - the same |
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| 05:03.51 | _ben_ | dondelelcaro: I could if I could do a ps -aux|grep X |
| 05:04.02 | _ben_ | dondelelcaro: When I'm in that terminal my | is a tilda for some reason |
| 05:04.03 | dondelelcaro | vahvarh: again, not all mirrors have amd64. |
| 05:04.14 | dondelelcaro | _ben_: so killall X |
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| 05:04.27 | _ben_ | dondelelcaro: Good idea. Thank you. |
| 05:04.38 | dondelelcaro | or xorg or whatever it is called... |
| 05:05.04 | vahvarh | dondelelcaro: this mirrors do have. more of it, on #debian-amd64 several days ago the topic was "XORG7 for amd64 is broken". |
| 05:05.09 | xomhau | xorg or xfree86 is better? |
| 05:05.58 | Aghaster | xorg |
| 05:06.30 | dondelelcaro | vahvarh: it may have, but that doesn't mean that the particular package missing is the porblem, because the mirror that I gave you has that package. |
| 05:06.46 | dondelelcaro | in any case, best of luck. |
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| 05:08.00 | vahvarh | dondelelcaro: It was an i386 mirror =) |
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| 05:12.22 | chomph | Is there a way to prevent a process from swapping? For some reason fluxbox swaps out every time I'm away from the terminal for more than about a half hour and it takes almost a minute to unswap it sometimes. |
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| 05:13.17 | sdfasd | how make to hide asdress of nick ? |
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| 05:13.39 | chomph | sounds like a good idea! |
| 05:13.40 | joelbryan | hello, why do I get License, Blank, when issuing dh_make? |
| 05:13.44 | streuner | sdfasd: why do you think you need that? |
| 05:14.48 | sdfasd | streuner your asdress is hide |
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| 05:15.51 | unix_infidel | hey guys, i'm getting a repeated errors like this in mplayer when i try to play a mov with mplayer codecs |
| 05:15.54 | unix_infidel | alsa-space: xrun of at least 0.098 msecs. resetting stream0.7% 16 0 94% |
| 05:16.07 | chomph | unix_infidel: it's an error in the file |
| 05:16.21 | unix_infidel | chomph: you sure, i'm getting the same errors with all movs. |
| 05:16.24 | streuner | sdfasd: in which way? |
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| 05:16.26 | chomph | besides, mplayer would be packaged by someone else. |
| 05:16.41 | unix_infidel | hmmm. |
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| 05:16.58 | sdfasd | streuner pvt |
| 05:17.04 | chomph | I mean, you are getting a package or building it, right? |
| 05:17.17 | chomph | I really hope streuner is a bot. |
| 05:17.22 | ACU | Help with DEBIAN Etch Beta2 i386 DVD - I installed it twice on an 1 Ghz PIII and after I reboot and choose Debian I got Failed to start X server ... it is likely that it is not set correctly |
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| 05:17.37 | unstable | john@cookooland:~$ alsamixer |
| 05:17.37 | unstable | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 05:17.38 | unix_infidel | chomph: nono, i downloaded from marillat iirc. |
| 05:17.45 | unstable | alsamixer works when I type it as root. |
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| 05:18.02 | unstable | (sound has been working for 6 months or so, I assume this must have happened after a dist-upgrade) |
| 05:18.13 | streuner | chomph: why? |
| 05:18.24 | unstable | apt-listbugs showed me nothing |
| 05:18.26 | chomph | unix_infidel: do the movs play okay? having movs play through means mplayer is progressing. |
| 05:18.32 | unstable | And I don't see anything on the bts |
| 05:18.37 | pabs3 | anyone know what the appropriate options are to find files older than X days? /me can't work it out reading the find manual page |
| 05:18.41 | unix_infidel | chomph: works fine on the laptop man. not sure why not here. |
| 05:18.43 | chomph | streuner: you just made like 3 generic responses. |
| 05:18.50 | chomph | unix_infidel: really? |
| 05:18.53 | streuner | of course not, marillat's packages aren't official |
| 05:19.01 | unix_infidel | chomph: yea, debian etch. |
| 05:19.08 | streuner | chomph: :-) |
| 05:19.12 | unix_infidel | both of em, sempron box here and a thinkpad there. |
| 05:19.14 | ACU | GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/binX :0 -dpi 96 -autid 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0 Xauth -no listen tcp vt7 |
| 05:19.20 | chomph | unix_infidel: it's probably your sound card or maybe video card, then. |
| 05:19.34 | unix_infidel | chomph: nah, probably not video car. |
| 05:19.50 | streuner | chomph: scroll up and read the convo again. |
| 05:20.16 | chomph | unix_infidel: oh yes, it's alsa. try using -ao oss |
| 05:20.16 | unstable | How can I see what groups a user is in? |
| 05:20.26 | pabs3 | ACU: either install an X server, or if running sid http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 I'd suggest upgrading, everything seems to work now |
| 05:20.53 | chomph | unstable try the command groups or grep user /etc/groups |
| 05:21.10 | streuner | groups <user>ß |
| 05:21.13 | streuner | groups <user>? |
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| 05:22.00 | streuner | groups - print the groups a user is in |
| 05:22.07 | unix_infidel | sweet, it works now :) |
| 05:22.16 | unix_infidel | chomph: no i didnt need to do -ao oss |
| 05:22.32 | chomph | unix_infidel: what was it? |
| 05:23.04 | unix_infidel | iono, just reinstalled mplayer. |
| 05:23.24 | chomph | and you played the same mov over with no problems? |
| 05:23.29 | ACU | pabs3 - Thannks --- I chose during installation Workstation - so I suppose X server was installed - but I can try again - what is the command for X-sever installation? |
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| 05:24.50 | pabs3 | ACU: if running sarge, x-window-system, if running sid, xorg. the actual packages for x servers are xserver-xorg for sid and xserver-xfree86 for sarge |
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| 05:25.56 | chomph | nobody knows a way to keep a process from swapping? |
| 05:26.15 | ACU | I know that many people in this chat are contributors for Debian - and I want to thank you all - I have also a simple question - if Knopix or Ubuntu got better in hardware recognition and graphic installer -as long as they are in GPL - why cannot they implemented in Debian ------------ |
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| 05:26.28 | sanmarcos | what is the max number for a tcp port? 65350 ? |
| 05:26.51 | chomph | 2^16 |
| 05:26.52 | SimonRaven | 65535 |
| 05:27.19 | ACU | pabs3 - I am running Etch -so what I need to install xorg? apt-get install xorg?- do I need to be as root |
| 05:27.37 | SimonRaven | 0-65535 to be exact |
| 05:27.37 | unix_infidel | chomph: new problem, i think mplayer crashes after i exit |
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| 05:27.46 | unix_infidel | it freezes the command line. |
| 05:27.47 | chomph | unix_infidel: nice. |
| 05:27.49 | pabs3 | ACU: yes and yes |
| 05:28.06 | Kinks | chomph: you mean 2^16 - 1 |
| 05:28.10 | chomph | unix_infidel: that also sounds like a bad video file |
| 05:28.11 | chomph | yes |
| 05:28.15 | chomph | 2^16 ports total |
| 05:28.22 | unix_infidel | chomph: nah, all of them are doing that. |
| 05:28.51 | chomph | unix_infidel: well, did you reinstall all the packages around mplayer? like w32codecs? |
| 05:29.00 | unix_infidel | chomph: sure did, i'm using those pluss some other codecs. |
| 05:30.41 | chomph | unix_infidel: the only times I've ever had crashes after the video stops are when I have either a bad video file, like a stream stops, or I get a blocked read. |
| 05:32.05 | ACU | pabs3: Strange I get at the root - I have the first DVD of Etch Beta 2 in the drive and type apt-get install xorg and I get EL Couldn't find package xorg |
| 05:32.20 | unix_infidel | hmm, maybe all my video files are corrupt, i need to backup the original instead of just using the rsync version on this desktop. |
| 05:32.34 | liable | its not in etch, that package |
| 05:32.54 | liable | !+info xorg etch |
| 05:32.56 | dpkg | Package 'xorg' does not exist. |
| 05:33.19 | ACU | so what should I do |
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| 05:33.50 | pabs3 | ACU: check if /usr/bin/X exists, check if /usr/X11R6/bin/ is a symlink or a file |
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| 05:34.02 | liable | install x-window-system |
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| 05:35.51 | twisted` | which program can I use to compare two locations? e.g. verify everything was copied correctly |
| 05:36.41 | ACU | X does not exist in usr/bin ---------for /usr/X11R6/bin/ I do not know how to check whether is symlink |
| 05:36.46 | twisted` | md5sum is not an option, since it's a _lot_ of files |
| 05:36.51 | deadcat | twisted`: you can use du or something |
| 05:36.54 | twisted` | ACU: I had the same problem :P |
| 05:37.09 | twisted` | deadcat: the size can be the same, but the file can be corrupt |
| 05:37.21 | deadcat | twisted`: ah. |
| 05:37.23 | nvz | twisted`: checksum/hashing is the method no matter what program is doing it |
| 05:37.41 | nvz | twisted`: even rsync and programs like that use those methods |
| 05:37.43 | deadcat | ACU: is that 7.0? |
| 05:37.47 | pabs3 | ACU: ls -ld /usr/X11R6/bin/ , if you see something like: -> /usr/bin, it is a symlink |
| 05:37.56 | twisted` | hmm... using md5sum can't... else I gotta write a script do go recursivly through all dirs |
| 05:38.00 | twisted` | and check every file |
| 05:38.05 | twisted` | and then do it again against the other file |
| 05:38.12 | twisted` | would take litterly hours |
| 05:38.30 | SimonRaven | 'literally' |
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| 05:39.36 | twisted` | meh... you got the point... I've been tryin to fix my system for a few hours already... |
| 05:39.39 | twisted` | lol |
| 05:39.42 | twisted` | havn't slept yet |
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| 05:40.27 | liable | ACU: how did you install? did you pick desktop or manually installed packages? |
| 05:40.33 | ACU | deadcat I think is 7 -----------pabs3 I got something ike drwxr-xr-x2 root 4096 2006-04-21 02-44 /usr/X11R6/bin/ |
| 05:40.53 | ACU | liable ---- I picked Desktop |
| 05:41.02 | pabs3 | ACU: do you have xserver-xorg installed? |
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| 05:42.34 | nvz | twisted`: maybe look at kdiff3 xxdiff or other diff tools that are used for recursive directory/file comparison |
| 05:42.40 | ACU | God knows -- how would I know if Xserver-xorg is installed --- I thought it is installed if I chose Desktop ---- when I boot and got past Grub - it tells be It cannot find thile |
| 05:42.58 | nvz | twisted`: or one of the IDS type programs AIDE, Tripwire..etc |
| 05:43.17 | twisted` | nvz: hmm... can't use a GUI... all my livecd's refuse to start X |
| 05:43.28 | liable | ACU: it should have installed it. do this. apt-get install x-window-system |
| 05:43.34 | nvz | twisted`: heh, then plain ol diff I guess |
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| 05:44.43 | twisted` | nvz: diff is for comparing text-files right |
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| 05:44.46 | BlackJud1s | Hrrm. So, say I'm this big fat lover of udev.... but have no clue how to use it... how do I fix this? RTFM? I think not! I ask here, how can I set default permissions on created devices? ie... say I modprobe fuse... a regular user can't access it due to /dev/fuse being rw-rw---- :s |
| 05:44.57 | twisted` | ACU: sounds like a bug in the package |
| 05:45.03 | twisted` | ACU: once I updated, X went berserk |
| 05:45.16 | twisted` | ACU: which will mean when I will install it, it will break... damn |
| 05:45.33 | SimonRaven | you refuse to rtfm, i refuse to help |
| 05:46.37 | ACU | liable - it seem that cou;dm'find package x-window |
| 05:46.55 | streuner | x-window-system |
| 05:46.58 | liable | ACU: copy and paste what i wrote |
| 05:47.01 | streuner | or x-window-system-core |
| 05:47.12 | liable | if you can.. |
| 05:47.33 | twisted` | BlackJud1s: by sayin your not willing to RTFM, your not gonna get an answer |
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| 05:47.54 | mrwoody | hi *. I have been trying to watch movies with a projector (external monitor) . X works fine on the projector, but movies are just blank. Does anyone know any doc about this? |
| 05:48.06 | nvz | twisted`: no it compares anything diff -r dir1/ dir2/ |
| 05:48.23 | twisted` | hmm |
| 05:48.24 | BlackJud1s | twisted`, of course I am, I just can't figure it out... maybe a :) would've helped? |
| 05:48.26 | twisted` | and outputs to screen? |
| 05:48.38 | mrwoody | twisted`: asking to me? |
| 05:48.49 | ACU | It seem I have to disconect from chat to be able to connect the other computer --------THANKS to all of you ----- |
| 05:49.02 | nvz | twisted`: yes, it will output any differences. like Only in Foo/: Foo.bar |
| 05:49.08 | twisted` | mrwoody: sorry I meant that to nvz |
| 05:49.42 | twisted` | BlackJud1s: by the way you said it, you said your not gonna read the manual but instead ask here |
| 05:49.51 | SimonRaven | *sigh*. looks like it'll be quiet for a while |
| 05:49.52 | twisted` | BlackJud1s: rephrase it, and maybe you'll get an answer |
| 05:49.59 | BlackJud1s | twisted`, 'course. |
| 05:50.02 | twisted` | nvz: hmm, kewl |
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| 05:50.19 | twisted` | nvz: let's check the man for diff then |
| 05:50.19 | twisted` | ^_ |
| 05:50.19 | twisted` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.26 | twisted` | wtf.... suddenly I got lag on my pc |
| 05:50.37 | BlackJud1s | How can I set default permissions on udev created devices? ie... say I modprobe fuse... a regular user can't access it due to /dev/fuse being rw-rw---- :s |
| 05:50.57 | nvz | yeah? well I suddenly got two dead end jobs.. |
| 05:51.07 | twisted` | BlackJud1s: /etc/udev/permissions.d/* |
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| 05:51.24 | twisted` | zomg! I typed man udev and found teh answer! w00t |
| 05:51.34 | twisted` | nvz: for what? |
| 05:51.40 | SimonRaven | amazing |
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| 05:51.47 | SimonRaven | .... |
| 05:52.00 | nvz | I thought for money.. |
| 05:52.07 | BlackJud1s | twisted`, I don't have that directory, only permissions.rules |
| 05:52.32 | twisted` | hmm... maybe it's the same |
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| 05:52.37 | twisted` | but there's also a subject called default_mode |
| 05:52.42 | twisted` | I'd say read the manual |
| 05:52.42 | twisted` | it's there |
| 05:52.43 | twisted` | lol |
| 05:52.48 | twisted` | anything I'll tell you is from the manual :P |
| 05:53.13 | twisted` | BlackJud1s: nano -w /etc/udev/udev.conf |
| 05:53.18 | BlackJud1s | twisted`, heh understood |
| 05:53.20 | twisted` | put there default_mode 0666 |
| 05:53.24 | twisted` | or whatever the hell you want |
| 05:53.34 | SimonRaven | quote man page at him/her until s/he goes to read it ;p |
| 05:53.46 | SimonRaven | i wouldn't suggest 666 |
| 05:53.50 | twisted` | probably never will |
| 05:53.55 | BlackJud1s | I've read the damned thing :) I ran into a udev faq that seems outdated |
| 05:54.00 | Dwonis | 0666 is evil! |
| 05:54.03 | BlackJud1s | I will ... and I do. |
| 05:54.08 | BlackJud1s | :s |
| 05:54.13 | SimonRaven | man page != faq |
| 05:54.16 | nvz | but it turns out the one I just came home from is more like wasting your time. they want you to show up at 5pm, obligated to be there untill they are done no matter how long it takes em, not eligable for overtime no matter how long that is.. and they will feel free to make you wait (off the clock) around for them to move shit around so you can go back to working. I spent like 8 hours there today probably got 6 on the clock tops |
| 05:54.23 | Dwonis | twisted`: What else does the manual page say? I'm too lazy to read it, so please read it to me! |
| 05:54.46 | unix_infidel | nvz: sounds like my time at UPS. |
| 05:55.01 | nvz | unix_infidel: exactly.. its CPS, another shipping company |
| 05:55.13 | nvz | unix_infidel: they ship products to the shopping malls |
| 05:55.38 | Dwonis | nvz: This is why you work for yourself. You get to choose what's on the clock and what isn't, and anything that the customer wants you to do that you don't like... is. |
| 05:55.43 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: traffic today went up another 20% (O_O) |
| 05:55.46 | unix_infidel | nvz: heh, except we load in 120F+ and sub zero conditions (respectively) |
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| 05:56.01 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: yeah, you're getting CTV news coverage and stuff :) |
| 05:56.14 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: sounds like my time now :) |
| 05:56.22 | SimonRaven | hehe, yeh. and repeat visits from cbc |
| 05:56.58 | SimonRaven | brb, switching to console |
| 05:57.23 | nvz | unix_infidel: well all we have to do is unload onto wood pallets but they are way behind the times in all respects from checking shit 2 or more times because they are 20 years behind the times.. or carrying wooden skids cause they dont realize they make foam onse now that are less likely to break , stack neater, and are lighter..etc |
| 05:57.24 | peterS | !why is neon not in testing |
| 05:57.25 | dpkg | neon is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=neon |
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| 05:57.51 | unix_infidel | nvz: i'd quit that job if you had a choice. |
| 05:58.11 | chealer | peterS: we know it's your fault |
| 05:58.24 | peterS | chealer: actually it is :/ |
| 05:58.49 | unix_infidel | i spent a year at UPS, i made hundereds of thousands for that company and got paid maybe 20 thousand over 1.6 years exploiting every benefit option they had. |
| 05:58.53 | chealer | peterS: of course, and as always you'll blame this on random problems |
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| 05:58.55 | peterS | chealer: not entirely, but I'm *part* of the problem. I wanted to look up what other problems might be there, to see how urgent fixing my problem is (: |
| 05:59.04 | jcdubacq | hello |
| 05:59.16 | jcdubacq | when trying to update udev this morning, I got: |
| 05:59.24 | jcdubacq | /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 89: /lib/udev/write_net_rules: No such file or directory |
| 05:59.53 | peterS | chealer: I've fixed my part of the problem but I am not really in the mood to do the amount of testing I feel I need to do before uploading |
| 05:59.54 | jcdubacq | The BTS does not respond. reportbug displays a list of bugs for udev, but no "udev is not installable" |
| 05:59.58 | jcdubacq | any hints? |
| 06:00.07 | peterS | so I'd like to push it off another 24 hours when I might be more in the mood (: |
| 06:00.09 | unix_infidel | nvz: on top of that i SHOWED the IT team how to crack their kerberos auth on the wireless nonsense they've got going on and they still wouldnt listen. |
| 06:00.11 | chealer | peterS: looks like tla fas a few issues |
| 06:00.42 | peterS | chealer: tla has transitioned from neon24 to neon25, but bazaar has not. and bob2 (bazaar maintainer) is nowhere to be found. |
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| 06:00.49 | nvz | unix_infidel: I've always got a choice, but I want a damn job.. I thought I had it made when two of em called me yesturday and I went to one from 6a-2p today then another from 5p-1a but the first one was through my temp agency and I wasnt real happy with that, but it would be better than CPS. they are nuts if they think I would take a job where I can spend an unknown ammount of time there each night, and who knows how much of that time I would |
| 06:01.21 | atrus | anyone remember what the hal program was that would show you all the devices attached to your machine? |
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| 06:01.30 | liz | lspci |
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| 06:02.06 | chealer | peterS: cool, so you found a workaround for the "randomness depletion"? |
| 06:02.30 | peterS | chealer: well, I didn't do a workaround, but ... it stopped happening. the mips autobuilder worked this last time. |
| 06:02.30 | chealer | peterS: but still tla FTBFS on several release arches |
| 06:02.58 | chealer | peterS: ah |
| 06:03.08 | peterS | chealer: hmmm, on alpha/mips/mipsel. fun. |
| 06:03.34 | peterS | chealer: subversion FTBFS on ia64 and hppa and I'm sitting on *that* fix now |
| 06:03.59 | nvz | I cant believe I am still awake. I've been up since 5am and its 2am |
| 06:04.04 | SimonRaven | sounds like you have your work cut out for you |
| 06:04.14 | peterS | (well, two tiny fixes - disable the java test suite 'cause it causes hppa to hang, and disable java entirely on ia64, 'cause kaffe has been broken on ia64 for too long and I'm getting impatient) |
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| 06:04.40 | dragonfly | hey all |
| 06:04.45 | chealer | peterS: OK |
| 06:05.37 | peterS | I could upload a fix to *just* those two things, but I've got several other patches queued up that I'd just as soon push to unstable at the same time. however ... there's one or two changes I need to test more first (: |
| 06:05.56 | Dwonis | nvz: People think smoking is addicting... Hah! It's nothing compared to IRC |
| 06:06.01 | nvz | seems like the desire to do something that doesnt suck is keeping me awake :P |
| 06:06.11 | dragonfly | I have a box running debian and acting as a webserver. It only serves my internal network as i do not have port 80 forwarded from my router. However, I was going to add samba functionality to it and use it as a network file share server as well as a webserver, but I don't seem to have any connection from that box to anything outside of my local network. any ideas? |
| 06:06.19 | Dwonis | nvz: I know the feeling... |
| 06:06.24 | jcdubacq | mfff. Does the BTS work for anyone here? |
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| 06:06.38 | nvz | I spent my whole day at two different dead-end full-time jobs.. thinking one of them would have to be decent enough to be able to make some money |
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| 06:07.02 | Dwonis | jcdubacq: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=66666 works for me |
| 06:07.28 | Dwonis | jcdubacq: though I don't know about the b.d.o MX host |
| 06:08.12 | Dwonis | nvz: where are you? |
| 06:08.26 | nvz | Earth |
| 06:08.29 | peterS | he's a yinzer |
| 06:09.11 | Dwonis | nvz: Ah, so you're in Uganda? That explains the difficulty in finding a job. |
| 06:09.29 | peterS | there are very few yinzers in uganda |
| 06:09.29 | Dwonis | s/job/non-dead-end job/ |
| 06:09.38 | Dwonis | wtf is a yinzer |
| 06:09.45 | Trent | i need to get my laptop running kanotix to connect wirelessly to my router, what was the command? iwconfig key "" SSID "" somthing similer to that? |
| 06:09.55 | nite613_ | Having a problem wiht heartbeat. It appears to be working correctly, but I can't get any output out of cl_status on either node |
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| 06:10.15 | d4t2iLL4 | can we update to sarge r2 yet? |
| 06:10.22 | peterS | Dwonis: the word is very google-friendly (: |
| 06:10.34 | nvz | finding jobs is simple.. finding one that is dependable is nearly impossible.. all I want is a pre-defined agreement on times I will be working, and the money I will make.. thats the way I thought jobs went.. but I've yet to see it work out that way |
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| 06:10.40 | Dwonis | peterS: indeed it is... |
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| 06:10.51 | streuner | http://hometown.aol.com/brownsbackerspgh/yinzer.html |
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| 06:11.46 | myboxen | yay, it works |
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| 06:11.58 | Dwonis | streuner: indeed... Pittsburgh |
| 06:12.28 | chealer | d4t2iLL4: yes |
| 06:12.40 | nvz | that damn CPS is the most insane shit I've ever seen. that they think I would come back Sunday 5pm not knowing if I will have to be there till 11pm or until like 4am the next day or what.. and also not knowing how much of that time wasted of my life will actually be paid time.. and also knowing that even if I could get 40 hours or more, I still cant get time and a half for overtime |
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| 06:13.31 | dragonfly | I have a box running debian and acting as a webserver. It only serves my internal network as i do not have port 80 forwarded from my router. However, I was going to add samba functionality to it and use it as a network file share server as well as a webserver, but I don't seem to have any connection from that box to anything outside of my local network. any ideas? i get an unknown host error when pinging a web address and when i try to apt-get |
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| 06:14.08 | jcdubacq | err... |
| 06:14.11 | liz | dragonfly: make your /etc/resolv/conf has the right dns info |
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| 06:14.18 | jcdubacq | what is the current version of udev in sid? |
| 06:14.20 | liz | dragonfly: /etc/resolv.conf :) |
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| 06:14.41 | jcdubacq | My mirror has 0.090-2, but reportbug claims this is more recent than in debian! |
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| 06:15.19 | killown | how mount cd mult-session? |
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| 06:15.45 | Dwonis | nvz: That kind of crap irritates me. It's one thing if it's a once-in-a-blue-moon kind of thing (especially if e.g. you broke the mail server through carelessness, so you have to come in saturday to fix it, without overtime pay) but employers who abuse "no overtime pay" are just _asking_ to have only employees who couldn't get jobs elsewhere... |
| 06:15.52 | myboxen | dragonfly: are you accessing it like www.blah.com |
| 06:16.03 | Dwonis | nvz: well, that and the poor guys who can't switch jobs, due to family or whatever |
| 06:16.09 | peterS | killown: mount -r -o session=5 -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt |
| 06:16.19 | killown | peterS thanks |
| 06:16.21 | chealer | jcdubacq: I believe it depends on the arch |
| 06:16.28 | peterS | killown: details in 'man 8 mount' |
| 06:16.30 | jcdubacq | well, i386... |
| 06:16.48 | dragonfly | liz: there are 3 lines the top just says domain and the next two are both nameserver 'ip address' and both of those ip addresses are correct |
| 06:16.56 | unix_infidel | Dwonis: jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack has a nice salary. |
| 06:17.17 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: This is one of the reasons why I work for myself... or at least, I'm starting to. |
| 06:17.36 | myboxen | dragonfly: are the nameservers yours or external? |
| 06:17.39 | Dwonis | unix_infidel: (just finishing school) |
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| 06:18.01 | zasz | If i try booting from CD on this G3 laptop, i just see a floppy disk with a question mark in the middle. Does this indicate i burned the cd incorrectly? I can read the contents of it from within mac os |
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| 06:18.19 | zasz | (command + alt + f + o |
| 06:18.21 | dragonfly | myboxen: external from my ISP |
| 06:18.28 | unix_infidel | zasz: oh cool those old school clamshell laptops? |
| 06:18.51 | shock | hi, im getting an error when booting my Linux partition |
| 06:18.55 | shock | can some help me ? plz |
| 06:18.58 | zasz | unix_infidel: it's a black macintosh powerbook g3 |
| 06:19.13 | shock | i got the message whaiting for root partition.... |
| 06:19.19 | unix_infidel | zasz: heh, yea i dont like those, like the one on sex and the city. |
| 06:19.21 | zasz | unix_infidel: i think they are from before the clamshells. I got it from work |
| 06:19.38 | shock | but dont do anything... |
| 06:19.42 | zasz | anyone have any ideas? I would love to get debian running on this thing. |
| 06:19.46 | unix_infidel | friend has a black clamshell running os x. |
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| 06:19.57 | Dwonis | When I boot my computer, I get this floppy disk with an upside-down "Kick start" on it... Will Debian run on this machine? ;) |
| 06:19.59 | streuner | zasz: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 06:20.10 | zasz | o god this thing is 200mhz with 96mb ram |
| 06:20.19 | zasz | it won't fare well with os x |
| 06:20.26 | zasz | ok streuner I'll give it a shot |
| 06:20.51 | streuner | zasz: use a lightweighted wm then |
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| 06:21.29 | streuner | zasz: openbox, flux or icewm are good then |
| 06:21.43 | zasz | streuner, sure thing, as soon as I get it to boot |
| 06:21.54 | zasz | off CD i mean. Do the G3 powerbooks support it? |
| 06:22.02 | zasz | It must. They don't have floppies. |
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| 06:22.15 | streuner | zasz: are you in #debianppc too? |
| 06:22.18 | zasz | no |
| 06:22.27 | zasz | ...I should go there |
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| 06:22.57 | ongeboren | does anybody knows what is the current progress on gnome 2.14 in debian unstable ? should it be expected soon or is it not in the near agenda ? |
| 06:22.58 | Dwonis | zasz: Not supporting floppies could just mean that it only has a cassette deck and a ROM cartridge slot. |
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| 06:23.25 | zasz | Dwonis, this laptop is from the late 90's. It only has a cd rom drive on it |
| 06:23.44 | Dwonis | zasz: pfff. You kids and your new-fangled gadgets! |
| 06:23.47 | unix_infidel | they are still rock solid laptops though. |
| 06:23.59 | zasz | unix_infidel: mac os 9 still boots fine after all these years. |
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| 06:24.23 | zasz | it's got photoshop 5 and illustrator 7 on it |
| 06:24.31 | zasz | should indicate how old this thing is roughly |
| 06:24.33 | streuner | wow |
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| 06:26.07 | zasz | mac OS 8.5 actually |
| 06:26.22 | Dwonis | ongeboren: check the list archives http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/ |
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| 06:28.31 | dorileo | trying to check out a package from svn.debian.org is not working... I'm trying this way svn co svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/pkg-grub |
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| 06:28.55 | peterS | dorileo: do you have an alioth account? |
| 06:28.55 | ongeboren | Dwonis, thanks |
| 06:29.01 | peterS | dorileo: oh ... add a /svn/ in there |
| 06:29.03 | dorileo | peterS: yes |
| 06:29.08 | peterS | dorileo: svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-grub |
| 06:29.33 | peterS | dorileo: if you check out via svn:// you don't use the /svn/ in there, but if you use svn+ssh:// you do. it's a bit complicated (: |
| 06:29.49 | Thanatermesis | any person knows about a "good" and fiable standy/hibernation thing on debian (or compiling/pathing any thing) good for the laptops ? i repeat, a FIABLE thing, with minimum of danger risk |
| 06:30.24 | dorileo | peterS: would svn co svn+ssh://ldorileo-guest@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-grub work? |
| 06:30.30 | peterS | dorileo: you tell me |
| 06:30.38 | peterS | dorileo: make sure ssh is set up to use your alioth account name |
| 06:30.39 | liable | fiable? |
| 06:30.55 | Dwonis | liable: he repeats! |
| 06:31.05 | liable | Dwonis: with caps! |
| 06:31.06 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: do you mean "reliable" ? |
| 06:31.14 | dorileo | peterS: had to enter my password 3 times, is it right? |
| 06:31.16 | peterS | viable |
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| 06:31.35 | dragonfly | ah ha...somehow my broadcast ip got set to my gateway ip, it's working now |
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| 06:32.05 | jonas21 | i have a process running that i'd like to learn more about (it's eating lots of cpu, but i don't want to kill it).. what are some options? |
| 06:32.12 | liable | Thanatermesis: i use suspend2 for hibernate and kernel acpi for sleep |
| 06:32.19 | Dwonis | dragonfly: so to fix it, I assume you get set your gateway address to the broadcast address? |
| 06:32.30 | Thanatermesis | yes, reliable |
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| 06:32.44 | caskey | Is there an easy way to get a list of installed packages and their sizes? |
| 06:33.03 | killown | where have source package apt-get? |
| 06:33.03 | streuner | caskey: for a list of all installed packages use 'dpkg -l' |
| 06:33.30 | Thanatermesis | liable i think to i have look about suspend2, is a patch for the kernel, yes ? what is the diference between hibernate and acpi ? what about the laptops to use apm ? |
| 06:33.38 | shiki | what program can i use to change a NTFS partition to ext3??? |
| 06:33.48 | streuner | none |
| 06:33.59 | caskey | Then do I have to run through each one running 'apt-cache show <pkg> | grep Size' ? |
| 06:34.02 | streuner | backup and create it new |
| 06:34.03 | liable | Thanatermesis: laptops that use apm typically just work. |
| 06:34.17 | liable | Thanatermesis: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 06:35.51 | dragonfly | dwonis: no i left the gateway address alone because it was correct, but the broadcast address had to be changed |
| 06:36.07 | twisted` | better be no diff |
| 06:36.08 | twisted` | :( |
| 06:36.17 | chicalinux | Thanatermesis, why are you here i was loking for you at debian-es jejejeje |
| 06:36.29 | Dwonis | caskey: This is a _very_ slow way of doing what I think you want |
| 06:36.32 | Dwonis | caskey: for pkg in $(dpkg -l | grep '^.i' | awk '{print $2}') ; do echo -n "$pkg: " ; dpkg -s "$pkg" | grep '^Installed-Size' | awk '{print $2}' ; done |
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| 06:37.20 | caskey | Dwonis, thanks, I was just trying to work something up like that. Since the packages are the same, I'm going to copy the selection file over to another much faster box. |
| 06:38.17 | Thanatermesis | chicalinux im in all the parts :) |
| 06:38.23 | Dwonis | caskey: this version is much faster: dpkg -s $(dpkg -l | grep '^.i' | awk '{print $2}') | perl -n -e '/^Package: (.*)/ and print "$1: "; /^Installed-Size: (.*)/ and print "$1\n";' |
| 06:38.48 | chicalinux | jejejeje i can see that now Thanatermesis |
| 06:39.02 | Dwonis | caskey: That'll be $20, please ;) |
| 06:39.03 | caskey | Dwonis, BAM, that took just a few seconds on my desktop, awesome |
| 06:39.08 | caskey | Dwonis, *doh* |
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| 06:39.31 | caskey | Dwonis++ |
| 06:39.49 | Thanatermesis | liable about the apm stuff... i have look at it for my laptop some time ago, but with dangerous results... anyways are on 2.4.18 kernel's |
| 06:39.50 | Dwonis | caskey: ++ will do, THIS time ;) |
| 06:40.30 | Den | Hi - Mouse help please? I just installed Etch + KDE (apt install kde). The mouse lacks proper acceleration, & I can't get it to accelerate by changing the control panel setting. Suggestions? Also, the touchpad doesn't work. Sony Vaio Laptop. sonypi driver is loaded. Anyone heard about these kind of mouse problems? Suggestions? |
| 06:40.42 | dorileo | peterS: runing problems now trying to commit |
| 06:40.50 | dorileo | peterS: I'm using debcommit |
| 06:41.15 | Dwonis | Den: I don't know if this will help, but have you tried xset? |
| 06:41.26 | dorileo | peterS: I changed my .ssh/config and added a Host svn.debian.org User ldorileo-guest |
| 06:41.35 | Den | Dwonis: Where do I do that? command line? |
| 06:41.36 | peterS | dorileo: right, right |
| 06:41.41 | dorileo | peterS: but getting access denied |
| 06:41.51 | peterS | dorileo: try logging in interactively |
| 06:41.58 | twisted` | oh |
| 06:41.59 | twisted` | my |
| 06:42.00 | twisted` | fuckin |
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| 06:42.01 | twisted` | god |
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| 06:42.07 | caskey | Helpful tip: If looking to clear up some disk space, make sure the header packages aren't installed |
| 06:42.09 | Dwonis | Den: well, on my system, I use "xset m 4" ... "xset m default" returns you to the default |
| 06:42.10 | liable | Thanatermesis: oh. |
| 06:42.33 | dorileo | peterS: why? |
| 06:42.37 | Dwonis | Den: If you run "xset m 400" you should notice that your mouse acceleration is ridiculously fast (that tells you that xset is working) |
| 06:42.44 | peterS | dorileo: to see if ssh works |
| 06:42.59 | Den | Dwonis: thx - do youo use kde? |
| 06:43.26 | Dwonis | Den: not really, but xset works at a lower level than KDE (presumably, KDE uses the same interface, but I guess it's not doing that for you) |
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| 06:43.40 | Thanatermesis | liable you dont' know if actually works good ? |
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| 06:43.59 | Den | Dwonis: thx :) |
| 06:44.23 | Slicky_we | hello.. i quick questian.. if i want to use debian.. as a router.. with 2 network intefaces.. how do i do? :$ |
| 06:44.42 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: I doubt anyone can be sure whether it'll work for _you_. Hibernation is quirky thing that's difficult to get right, in general. |
| 06:44.47 | Slicky_we | im quite familier with debian.. so im no supernoob lol |
| 06:44.52 | streuner | Slicky_we: read the doc of ipmasq (examples) |
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| 06:44.55 | liable | Thanatermesis: yes it does, on many laptops. check out other peoples reports for your particular laptop on the web sites dpkg told you |
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| 06:45.10 | Slicky_we | streuner ok thanks |
| 06:45.25 | dorileo | peterS: would the user look like ldorileo-guest@svn.debian.org? |
| 06:45.27 | Dwonis | ipmasq... Isn't that like a Linux 2.0 thing? |
| 06:45.38 | streuner | !info ipmasq |
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| 06:45.41 | dpkg | ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.7 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 596 kB |
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| 06:46.15 | streuner | Dwonsis: you mean prolly ipfilter of 2.0 |
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| 06:46.26 | Thanatermesis | Dwonis liable, im looking for implement this on a distro by default... a "nice and special feature"... but if is reliable... if not, i forget the idea |
| 06:46.35 | Dwonis | streuner: well, that was useless, but I checked apt-cache show, and it seems like it's not |
| 06:46.38 | streuner | but ipmasq is a seperate package and supports all 3 of them |
| 06:47.09 | Slicky_we | so.. how hard is ipmasq to config.. 1-10 |
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| 06:47.40 | streuner | pretty trivial |
| 06:47.44 | streuner | usually |
| 06:48.04 | streuner | usually you haven't something to configure at all |
| 06:49.22 | Slicky_we | seams nice.. i found a howto lol |
| 06:49.52 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: It depends on the hardware and each individual driver. The problem is that not that many people use hibernation (it's pretty much never used on webservers, for example), so it's less-tested than other features, and therefore more likely to have bugs (this is true even on Windows). |
| 06:49.54 | Slicky_we | ye..iv tryed smoothwall b4.. but i want to run a webserver as well as i want to have a router.. so debian it is |
| 06:49.59 | dorileo | peterS: ok, no way.... I can't log in at svn.debian.org |
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| 06:50.25 | Thanatermesis | even on windows ? this sounds good then :) |
| 06:50.30 | Thanatermesis | maybe i forget the idea... |
| 06:50.34 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: I haven't used it lately myself, but I don't see the harm in having it available by default. The worst-case scenario is probably that it'll crash the first time the user users it, and after that, they'll just not use it on that hardware. |
| 06:50.35 | Thanatermesis | wb damosu |
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| 06:50.45 | peterS | dorileo: yeah so there's the problem (: but you say you successfully checked out the pkg-grub repo? |
| 06:50.46 | damosu | que pas Thanatermesis |
| 06:51.20 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: To re-iterate, on any given hardware, it usually works very well, or not at all, so it's easy for the end-user to figure this out. |
| 06:51.33 | dorileo | peterS: yes, I checked out successfully |
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| 06:51.53 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 06:52.01 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: That's my experience, anyway. liable might have something different to say about it. |
| 06:52.07 | peterS | dorileo: could be intermittent problems with svn.debian.org, wouldn't be the first time (: see if you can ssh to haydn.debian.org, same username, same password (that's the other alioth) |
| 06:52.20 | chicalinux | Thanatermesis, i miss you on debian-es come back to us :) |
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| 06:53.13 | peterS | dorileo: fwiw, I can log into costa (svn.debian.org) right now and can list your account |
| 06:53.13 | yos87 | peterS: Hi |
| 06:53.14 | Thanatermesis | im on #debian-es chicalinux |
| 06:53.17 | peterS | yos87. |
| 06:53.33 | Thanatermesis | Dwonis aparently U supports it... but not idea about "how reliable" is |
| 06:53.37 | chicalinux | but you dont talk to us i am sadddd |
| 06:53.38 | dorileo | peterS: loged in at haydn.debian.org |
| 06:53.47 | Thanatermesis | lol chicalinux |
| 06:53.53 | peterS | dorileo: but you can't log into costa. weird. did you change anything recently, like your password? |
| 06:53.56 | chicalinux | ejejejeje |
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| 06:54.16 | dorileo | peterS: no, I didn't change anything |
| 06:54.22 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: keep in mind that I think Linux, and even OpenBSD, (and of course Windows) are unreliable pieces of crap :) |
| 06:54.39 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: most people have lower standards :) |
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| 06:54.54 | fordexter | fala galera da coruja! Alguém sabe como editar o menu iniciar no gnome do debian-br-cdd 1.0? |
| 06:55.05 | Kinks | Dwonis: are you looking to get crucified in a religious war? -scratches head- |
| 06:55.05 | Thanatermesis | hahaha |
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| 06:55.11 | streuner | !br |
| 06:55.12 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:55.14 | dorileo | peterS: Otavio told me that had gave me access to commit, but never worked... he told me that could be syncronization problem |
| 06:55.33 | peterS | dorileo: it's possible that the password database itself is what's on the fritz. I'm not testing that because I'm using a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on costa, so I don't type a password interactively |
| 06:55.38 | dorileo | peterS: it was about 2 weeks |
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| 06:55.49 | peterS | dorileo: the synch should happen via cron job every hour or so, IIRC |
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| 06:56.20 | Dwonis | Kinks: Can you set up a Debian/Windows/OpenBSD box, on the unfiltered Internet, and leave it alone, running services, for at least decade without it crashing or getting compromised? |
| 06:56.29 | Dwonis | Kinks: as for Linux, I have one word: ptrace() |
| 06:56.41 | Den | Hi - How can I "stopx"? ctl-alt-bsp doesnt do anything - running Etch + KDE - suggetions? |
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| 06:56.48 | Dwonis | !start a distro war |
| 06:56.48 | dpkg | SuSE owns! |
| 06:56.55 | dorileo | peterS: is there a way to solve the problem? anything I could do? |
| 06:57.07 | mada | Dwonis: lmfao |
| 06:57.25 | liz | omg a console! |
| 06:57.29 | Kinks | Den: you can always go and kill it if all else fails. |
| 06:57.35 | liz | gpm... thats old school :P |
| 06:57.42 | peterS | dorileo: well, if the problem persists, you can join irc.oftc.net #alioth and ask. but wait a bit to see if it goes away first, IMO |
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| 06:57.45 | Dwonis | liz: gpm!! I remember that! |
| 06:57.54 | teledyn_ | anyone know how when apache loads a module i can specify a custom LD_LIBRARY_PATH? I tried just "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/my/path:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH; export $LD_LIBRARY_PATH; /etc/init.d/apache start" but its complaining about one module i built that is linked against a custom shared lib in a unique path |
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| 06:58.14 | Den | Kinks: Kill how? psauxf then kill look for what? |
| 06:58.18 | Dwonis | teledyn_: there shouldn't be a '$' after the export |
| 06:58.24 | teledyn_ | maybe apache is forking before it loads the module and the path isn't picked up? |
| 06:58.30 | Dwonis | teledyn_: i.e. export LD_LIBRARY_PATH, not export $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 06:58.44 | teledyn_ | Dwonis: doesn't matter, it didn't work without it either |
| 06:58.47 | dorileo | peterS: I've waited for 2 weeks :) |
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| 06:59.00 | Dwonis | my favourite way to kill X is to open an xterm and run "su - -c killall5" |
| 06:59.03 | peterS | dorileo: but the ssh auth problem didn't happen when you checked out the repo half an hour ago |
| 06:59.09 | peterS | dorileo: that's a lot less than 2 weeks (: |
| 06:59.25 | green-mouse | Hi all, after upgrade xorg to 7.0, I can`t start xserver i get "could not open default font 'fixed'" messege, i change all fonst paths in xorg.conf but this not help... Somebody know somethink about this problem? |
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| 06:59.26 | peterS | Dwonis: much more fun to type 'kill -1 -1' |
| 06:59.38 | valdyn | green-mouse: apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 06:59.39 | peterS | not as root, mind you |
| 06:59.49 | green-mouse | valdyn i have all fonts |
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| 07:00.03 | green-mouse | valdyn i have this package installed |
| 07:00.18 | valdyn | green-mouse: then you messed up the font paths in you xorg.conf |
| 07:00.20 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 07:00.20 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 07:00.25 | teledyn_ | Dwonis: without the $ same result |
| 07:00.41 | peterS | dorileo: note that someone on a different channel noticed problems getting into svn.debian.org 15 minutes ago, now he says he can get in fine. so, um, try again? |
| 07:00.48 | tuv | my laptop (running testing) keeps hanging after a recent fresh install, before which it was allright. i can't find any problem in the logs, how can find out whose fault are the hangs? |
| 07:00.52 | green-mouse | valdyn i have rights fontpaths in my xorg.conf... |
| 07:01.09 | Dwonis | teledyn_: I dunno, then. There's something you can put into the ELF header of the library to make it use its own library path, though I don't remember what it's called |
| 07:01.31 | Dwonis | teledyn_: I think it's called rpath |
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| 07:01.49 | Dwonis | teledyn_: apt-get install chrpath |
| 07:01.54 | peterS | Dwonis: yes, the rpath. it's generally evil, occasionally useful. |
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| 07:02.17 | dorileo | peterS: thanks a lot, worked |
| 07:02.19 | Dwonis | teledyn_: but this is _only_ for packages you're compiling yourself, with some weird config. Like peterS said, rpath is generally considered to be evil |
| 07:02.22 | teledyn_ | Dwonis: i know i could add the custom path to ld.so.conf and run ldconfig, but then i know it would be inefficient because all apps would be constantly searching through the path |
| 07:02.29 | green-mouse | valdyn wthat is fontfix? |
| 07:02.31 | Dwonis | teledyn_: hence, rpath |
| 07:02.35 | valdyn | !fontfix |
| 07:02.36 | dpkg | somebody said fontfix was that some people have been having problems with XFree 4.0.x; if you have xfonts-base installed, but it still can't find the "fixed" font, ask me about "install xf4" and make sure /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc is in your font path. ask me about fonts.alias, or don't forget to restart xfs, or ask about fixedfont, or ask about "squares" |
| 07:02.43 | peterS | teledyn_: right, embedding an rpath into a single binary or library is a much narrower version of the same idea |
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| 07:02.47 | tuv | i'm suspecting the ipw2200 module, but it's not easy to compile a new one. so i'd like to get a pointer to who is causing the hang |
| 07:02.56 | Dwonis | teledyn_: also, note that ld.so.conf isn't actually that expensive, because you actually have to run ldconfig first, which indexes everything in /etc/ld.so.cache |
| 07:03.22 | Dwonis | teledyn_: by 'first', I mean after you edit ld.so.conf, but before you run whatever app you're interested in |
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| 07:03.56 | teledyn_ | Dwonis: ok. i just know one time i straced an app after adding it to ld.so.conf and saw the continual search through every branch of the path which looked like a waste |
| 07:04.00 | Dwonis | I can't believe I'm recommending rpath. I _hate_ rpath with a fiery passion |
| 07:04.15 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:04.23 | Dwonis | teledyn_: oh... maybe you're right. strace doesn't (usually) lie |
| 07:04.42 | Linuhx | what does strace do? |
| 07:04.51 | Dwonis | fiery, firey? how do you spell that anyway? |
| 07:04.53 | teledyn_ | Dwonis: it seemed awfully expensive addition for just one custom app |
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| 07:05.04 | streuner | Linuhx: man strace |
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| 07:05.29 | Dwonis | teledyn_: rpath works around that. you set the RPATH in the ELF header of the specific library or app you're interested in, and it only affects that lib/app |
| 07:05.40 | streuner | !info strace |
| 07:05.46 | dpkg | strace: (A system call tracer), section utils, is standard. Version: 4.5.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
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| 07:07.22 | tuv | why would the system hang without a trace in the log files? |
| 07:07.43 | Dwonis | tuv: well, if the filesystem driver paniced, there'd be nothing in the log files :) |
| 07:08.08 | Dwonis | tuv: there are all sorts of reasons. Most people seem to recommend using the serial console to debug those kinds of problems |
| 07:08.26 | peterS | or really if *anything* in the kernel panics, the console logging system continues long enough to print the log message, but it will never get a chance to hit the disk |
| 07:08.45 | Dwonis | tuv: ^^^ what he said |
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| 07:09.29 | tuv | the screen just freezes.. but i always find a "restart" event in /var/log/syslog at the time i hard-reset the machine |
| 07:09.44 | Dwonis | tuv: "restart" gets written when the system boots |
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| 07:10.05 | Dwonis | tuv: which you should be able to see if you check the timestamp |
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| 07:11.02 | tuv | is there any known problems with ipw2200 or nvidia's pre-built kernel modules for 686? |
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| 07:11.36 | tuv | i mean could re-building them from sources solve the problem? |
| 07:11.36 | Dwonis | I'd always be suspicious of "pre-built kernel modules" |
| 07:11.38 | dongman | incog |
| 07:11.48 | Dwonis | (from third parties) |
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| 07:12.07 | valdyn | tuv: does that machine respond to pings when it is 'frozen' ? |
| 07:12.34 | tuv | valdyn, no |
| 07:12.50 | Dwonis | tuv: does it respond to pings when it's _not_ frozen? :) |
| 07:12.52 | tuv | Dwonis, they are from debian official |
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| 07:13.27 | tuv | Dwonis, yes |
| 07:13.42 | Dwonis | tuv: oh, hmm. In general, if they were built along with the kernel, they should work. Still, if the system is hanging, that's the first thing I'd check. |
| 07:14.06 | Dwonis | tuv: but if rebuilding the modules works, I'd definitely file a bug report. |
| 07:14.31 | yos87 | how to change the desktop environment? I remember it was dpkg-reconfigure something! |
| 07:15.02 | tuv | Dwonis, it's the biggest difference from my old configuration (before the new install).. i used to build nvidia's kernel module from nvidia-source package.. however i think it's not in testing anymore |
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| 07:15.16 | Dwonis | yos87: I usually just create $HOME/.xsession and have it execute what I want :) |
| 07:15.38 | husaeso | hi, any anti-virus package fr debian? |
| 07:15.43 | Dwonis | yos87: but you probably want either "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" |
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| 07:16.00 | valdyn | husaeso: to check for windows viruses? |
| 07:16.19 | Dwonis | husaeso: Yes, but they usually only check for Windows viruses. (You can probably count the total number of known Linux viruses on one or two hands) |
| 07:16.22 | husaeso | valdyn: no, for debian gnu/linux |
| 07:16.43 | tuv | Dwonis, so if i'm to try building it, i'd need nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx from unstable, which could introduce another problem.. but it's worth a try i guess |
| 07:17.02 | husaeso | there was one fr panda, pavcl, but can't find it on their site anymore. |
| 07:17.05 | Dwonis | tuv: You shouldn't need anything from unstable to build stuff in etch |
| 07:17.35 | Dwonis | tuv: but I haven't built the nvidia stuff in a _long_ time, so I really can't tell you the correct way to do it |
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| 07:17.47 | tuv | Dwonis, neither nvidia-kernel-source nor nvidia-glx is in testing.. there is the pre-built nvidia kernel module only |
| 07:17.56 | dongman | hy |
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| 07:18.02 | Dwonis | tuv: have you tried apt-get source <packagename> ? |
| 07:18.13 | yos87 | dwonis: thank you |
| 07:18.22 | Dwonis | tuv: it'll download the files to the current directory, so pick somewhere good |
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| 07:21.36 | dongman | lol apt-get more like ape-shit |
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| 07:22.27 | neoxan | :/ |
| 07:22.54 | husaeso | found it. u guys don't check for virus in your system? |
| 07:22.54 | tuv | Dwonis, i'll try X.org's nv driver first to make sure it's nvidia's stuff that are causing the problem. i'm also suspecting ipw2200 although i used to use before the new install with no problems |
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| 07:23.34 | Dwonis | neoxan: indeed |
| 07:24.19 | Dwonis | husaeso: I'm much more concerned about taking steps to prevent _any_ unauthorized code from running on my system, not just viruses. |
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| 07:25.33 | Dwonis | husaeso: anti-virus software is only really necessary on systems that have really crappy security by default |
| 07:25.34 | husaeso | Dwonis: trouble is, that is extremely difficult. an easier alt is to check for virus. try 'panda anti-virus for linux'. it is free. |
| 07:26.00 | tuv | Dwonis, btw.. nvidia-glx is not in testing at all.. i pulled mine off snapshot.debian.net. there is no current nvidia-glx that would work with testing's pre-built kernel modules |
| 07:26.08 | husaeso | Dwonis: there isn't one fully secured system in this world. |
| 07:26.14 | Dwonis | husaeso: It's easier than you probably think. Much easier than on Windows. |
| 07:27.02 | husaeso | Dwonis: how does Linux prevent trojan horse coming in through webpages or emails? |
| 07:27.21 | Dwonis | husaeso: by not executing arbitrary code in webpages or emails. |
| 07:27.26 | loxley_ | husaeso: dont install awstats for starters |
| 07:27.44 | liable | why do you say that? |
| 07:27.58 | husaeso | u might as well say don't surf and don't email. |
| 07:28.09 | valdyn | husaeso: dont read html mail or atachements ) |
| 07:28.17 | Dwonis | husaeso: how do I know that 'panda anti-virus' won't itself have security holes that allow attackers to gain access to my system? |
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| 07:28.46 | Dwonis | "The aim of Panda Antivirus for Linux is to scan and disinfect Windows and DOS workstations connected to a Linux server, as well as the Linux server itself." |
| 07:29.09 | loxley_ | liable: it was a joke dude, it all depends on how often one updates and use a good policy for the use of servers. |
| 07:29.18 | husaeso | Dwonis: exactly what i have said earlier. there is no foulproof system in this world. but a protective measure is better than none. |
| 07:29.20 | Dwonis | husaeso: most anti-virus software for Linux is primarily geared toward removing _windows_ viruses from files |
| 07:29.44 | Dwonis | husaeso: not true. hold on |
| 07:29.57 | Dwonis | husaeso: http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0003.html#8 |
| 07:30.15 | husaeso | Dwonis: viruses can be common to any system, as common flu virus. |
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| 07:30.28 | Dwonis | husaeso: read the link |
| 07:31.05 | liable | yes. ok. install it. i can see this turning into a troll fest.. |
| 07:31.12 | valdyn | husaeso: a virus infection is caused by stupid users, a 'worm' infection is caused by broken services ) |
| 07:31.42 | husaeso | Dwonis: when it comes to security, it is human vs human, through machines. don't have toomuch faith in crytography. WEP in wlan can be cracked like nothing. |
| 07:32.00 | Dwonis | husaeso: _read_ the link. Schneier barely says anything about cryptography |
| 07:32.34 | Dwonis | husaeso: In fact, he usually argues that cryptography has a tendency to make security _worse_ |
| 07:32.45 | husaeso | Dwonis: as i said, it is human vs human. there is no 100% foulproof method. |
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| 07:33.34 | husaeso | Dwonis: only when human are dumber than the computer will there be computer security. |
| 07:34.04 | valdyn | husaeso: the point isnt that, the point is: what is more work, the viruses i get per year on my linux box or the work to maintain an antivirus package |
| 07:34.43 | valdyn | husaeso: now even on windows boxes i have more work fixing personal firewalls than fixing virus damage |
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| 07:35.06 | Den | Hi - Does the "synaptics touchpad" sw handle the touchpad in Etch for sony vaio lapop? If yes, how is it installed? loadable module? What module?? |
| 07:35.08 | twisted` | 0_o |
| 07:35.09 | husaeso | valdyn: u miss a very important point. there isn't many virus in Linux because there isn't that many systems running linux. the thrill is not there to break linux mahcines. |
| 07:35.11 | twisted` | virus on linux... |
| 07:35.11 | sepski | valdyn, how darn true. the firewalls break more then they fix |
| 07:35.12 | twisted` | so far... |
| 07:35.13 | twisted` | none |
| 07:35.26 | twisted` | at least I have had none I eman |
| 07:35.26 | twisted` | :D |
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| 07:35.46 | valdyn | husaeso: there's ALOT more linux boxes than there ever was Amigas,and amigas had gazillions of viruses |
| 07:35.46 | sepski | husaeso, the linux machines that are available are often servers connected to good links. on 24/7 do not think it's not a tempting target. |
| 07:35.53 | loxley_ | husaeso: i beg to differ, *many* people want to break linux boxes |
| 07:36.00 | valdyn | husaeso: hell amigas didnt even have network back then |
| 07:36.22 | Den | Hi - Does the "synaptics touchpad" sw handle the touchpad in Etch for sony vaio lapop? If yes, how is it installed? loadable module? What module?? |
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| 07:36.39 | husaeso | valdyn: amigas r archaelogical now. |
| 07:36.47 | twisted` | I wonder... how does the virus intend to break something? |
| 07:36.47 | valdyn | husaeso: yes, sure |
| 07:36.52 | Dwonis | husaeso: Look, that's a nifty philosophy, the reality doesn't work that way. There are a finite number of states that any given computer can have. A computer that's turned off has practically one state: "off". As soon as you turn it on, you increase the number of possible states. Every program, system, mechanism, or routine that you run increases the number of possible states that your computer can be in. Of these states, a certain number of them wil |
| 07:36.52 | Dwonis | l allow an attacker to make your system do things that you don't want it to do. To increase security, you goal is to _reduce_ the number of total possible states that your computer can be in, so that an attacker has less of a chance of doing damage. On a well-designed system, running anti-virus software has the _opposite_ effect, which is why we don't use it. |
| 07:36.53 | twisted` | to infect something it needs write permission |
| 07:37.10 | valdyn | twisted`: rm -r $HOME/* would be bad enough |
| 07:37.14 | sepski | husaeso, mine still work. i'd like to see if this X86 box works in 14 years from now |
| 07:37.24 | twisted` | valdyn: how does it intend to do that? |
| 07:37.30 | twisted` | it can only remove the dir of the CURRENT user |
| 07:37.44 | valdyn | twisted`: yea, that is what im saying, that would be bad enough |
| 07:38.01 | twisted` | but, then I ask... |
| 07:38.03 | husaeso | let me absorb the stuffs u guys send first. |
| 07:38.06 | twisted` | how did it get on ur pc in the first place |
| 07:38.24 | twisted` | ./donotrunme.sh |
| 07:38.36 | sepski | there are actualy worms that targer flaws in antivirus software. for windows users it's a no win situation. :) |
| 07:38.41 | Dwonis | twisted`: probably via a broken ASN.1 parser... ;/ |
| 07:38.42 | loxley_ | twisted`: exploited services |
| 07:39.05 | Dwonis | ASN.1: an example of how cryptography can decrease security |
| 07:39.19 | twisted` | loxley_: the changes that you got one of 'em running is very low, at least if your not running _everything_ that's available anyway |
| 07:39.28 | valdyn | twisted`: anyawy, on desktop i couldnt care less if apps get destroyed, i can reinstall from the net, for $HOME i need good backup scheme |
| 07:39.41 | twisted` | whehehe |
| 07:39.46 | twisted` | I just need my ~/pr0n to be safe |
| 07:39.51 | twisted` | rest, hell... I dun care |
| 07:40.11 | Dwonis | twisted`: find ~you/pr0n | xargs chattr +i (as root) |
| 07:40.12 | sepski | valdyn, i just do a backup of dpkg --get-selection |
| 07:40.23 | sepski | valdyn, makes it easy to reinstall apps |
| 07:40.28 | twisted` | years and years of windows made me very... easy with losing stuff |
| 07:40.28 | twisted` | :P |
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| 07:41.25 | twisted` | fuck my iPod just shutdown, AGAIN |
| 07:41.27 | twisted` | >_< |
| 07:41.29 | Dwonis | valdyn: just make sure you already have a recent netinstall disc with a recent version of apt and the archive keyrings... |
| 07:41.48 | twisted` | why! I mean... did it get too hot? I mean I could copy everything to it... but a diff... it doesn't like that _at_ all |
| 07:41.55 | twisted` | it's not even hot 0_o |
| 07:42.04 | Dwonis | of course, apparently gpg enjoys saying that signatures are valid, even when they aren't |
| 07:42.31 | Dwonis | twisted`: proprietary hardware and software. go figure ;P |
| 07:43.10 | Dwonis | twisted`: also, these thingamajigs known as "batteries" need to be charged |
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| 07:43.48 | escalade | morning |
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| 07:44.36 | twisted` | Dwonis: it charges while being connected eh :P |
| 07:44.41 | Slaughter | g morning, escalade |
| 07:44.41 | Dwonis | escalade: it's not morning everywhere, you insensitive clod ;) |
| 07:44.55 | valdyn | husaeso: maybe you want something like chkrootkit or rkhunter |
| 07:44.58 | twisted` | Dwonis: and because it's propierty doesn't make something bad or broken |
| 07:45.01 | escalade | Dwonis: hehe |
| 07:45.02 | Dwonis | twisted`: are you _sure_ it doesn't expect some Windows driver to turn on the charging? |
| 07:45.05 | sepski | Dwonis, this is not slashdot ! |
| 07:45.08 | twisted` | Dwonis: nope :) |
| 07:45.19 | Dwonis | twisted`: of course it doesn't. It just increases the statistical chance of it :) |
| 07:45.23 | sepski | twisted`, except that in ipod's case it does |
| 07:45.36 | Dwonis | sepski: ah yes, my mistake |
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| 07:45.51 | twisted` | 0_o, I think it goes offline cause of the times the harddrive is spinning |
| 07:45.57 | twisted` | same as CF's didn't like it... |
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| 07:47.13 | michal_ | hi. does anyone have ny idea how to get gdm to work via vnc in sarge? i used to have it working but the debian x packages have changed so much that i'm totally baffled |
| 07:47.14 | SimonRaven | what kind of clod? dirt? |
| 07:47.18 | Dwonis | hey... it's Sunday somwehre, isn't it? |
| 07:47.31 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: the "hopper" kind |
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| 07:47.44 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 07:47.48 | husaeso | Dwonis: ur thinking is necessarily complicated. think about this. even a being as intelligent as a human can be conned or misled into doing things it would not have done otherwise, let alone a dumb computer. it is human intelligence we r dealing with, in the security sphere. and there is no way u can prevent a human from making a computer does what he wants it to do. the only time this is... |
| 07:47.50 | husaeso | ...possible is when the computer is off, ur so called 0 state. |
| 07:47.53 | michal_ | for example /etc/X11/X doesn't xist anymore. at least on my system. i don't know if it should or not |
| 07:48.01 | SimonRaven | i knew it, you're a farmer ;P |
| 07:48.02 | sepski | michal_, if gdm is on i have to run it as root, then after login i must run it as the user i loged in as |
| 07:48.19 | Dwonis | hmm... it must definitely be Sunday somewhere |
| 07:48.31 | sepski | michal_, but if you just need access to the box, and can live with a second display. i'd realy recomend freenx. it's very much faster then vnc |
| 07:48.32 | michal_ | sepsi: well i can't run gdm as any user because there is no /etc/X11/X |
| 07:48.58 | valdyn | michal_: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 07:49.01 | sepski | but you dont get to see the _real_ monitor, |
| 07:49.04 | michal_ | sepski: what do you mean? the box itself has NO displays |
| 07:49.05 | valdyn | michal_: or apt-get install xorg |
| 07:49.13 | twisted` | damn, third person witht that problem |
| 07:49.23 | sepski | michal_, why on earth are you using vnc then ? |
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| 07:49.36 | twisted` | the whole mess I'm in right now is because of the fact it couldn't start /etc/X11/X |
| 07:49.40 | SimonRaven | if it isn't the humans, it's the bots. god damn |
| 07:49.45 | michal_ | sepsi: because it's the only way to get a display and be able to acess it from anywhere |
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| 07:49.53 | SimonRaven | that's only a symlink |
| 07:50.06 | sepski | michal_, no. you can use freenx or X11 also |
| 07:50.18 | sepski | michal_, and vnc is the least useful of the three |
| 07:50.20 | michal_ | sepski: x11 is impratical has it's not persistant |
| 07:50.22 | valdyn | michal_: /etc/X11/X is a symlink to your local X server, its not useful for having a vnc-only display |
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| 07:50.35 | sepski | michal_, the only advantage vnc have over the other is that it can let you see what's on the actual monitor |
| 07:50.38 | michal_ | valdyn: gdm seems to require it egardless |
| 07:50.46 | twisted` | bbl |
| 07:50.49 | twisted` | gonna reinstall my pc |
| 07:50.52 | valdyn | michal_: vi /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 07:50.53 | twisted` | iPod seems to have everything copied |
| 07:50.54 | twisted` | :) |
| 07:50.55 | michal_ | sepski: what do you mean by "actual monitor" |
| 07:50.57 | husaeso | loxley_: how many of the viruses identified so far was detected in a linux machine? |
| 07:51.01 | sepski | michal_, disply :0 |
| 07:51.15 | Halitherses | Why on earth would hald need to create a network socket? |
| 07:51.22 | michal_ | valdyn: yeah it's more or less empty except for enabling xdmcp |
| 07:51.29 | valdyn | michal_: gdm is by default starting a LOCAL X server for a local display |
| 07:51.31 | Halitherses | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 3868 @/tmp/hald-runner/dbus-iooCvSTyEz |
| 07:51.40 | michal_ | no gdm can be used with xdmcp |
| 07:51.42 | valdyn | michal_: is that what you want? i would guess not |
| 07:51.55 | michal_ | i used it like that for almost 3 years |
| 07:51.57 | valdyn | michal_: that does not imply that its not still running on your gfx card |
| 07:51.58 | Halitherses | !hal |
| 07:51.58 | dpkg | hal is, like, a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 07:52.23 | michal_ | valdyn: yes it does.. for 3 years it not only implied but it did. there were no local displays |
| 07:52.25 | husaeso | Dwonis: u agree with my last statement? |
| 07:52.34 | SimonRaven | !u |
| 07:52.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:52.41 | valdyn | michal_: uh, that you had no monitor plugged in doesnt mean it wasnt running |
| 07:52.59 | husaeso | SimonRaven: Damn it! I m not Jim. |
| 07:53.05 | michal_ | valdyn: yes it absolutely does. i know exactly what it was doing and it was not runni on any local display.. |
| 07:53.23 | Dwonis | husaeso: As entertaining as it may be to taunt you, it's really not useful for me to continue arguing with you on philosophical ground about a technical matter. I suggest you go read some of Bruce Schneier's books, do some system programming, and come back when you are more equipped to make arguments we can understand. |
| 07:53.52 | becks` | hi, if i do a find and want to execute ls -lh on every line he finds - how would that command look like? |
| 07:54.10 | michal_ | ooh.. installing xorg was a mistake. it wants settings i don't and won't have |
| 07:54.11 | valdyn | michal_: you're confused clearly. /etc/X11/X being used implies that it was running on local hardware, if you do not X to be running on your gfxcard, you do not run that X |
| 07:54.14 | SimonRaven | husaeso: yes, i know. |
| 07:54.16 | husaeso | Dwonis: that is always the case. when you r proven wrong, u put a 'i am smarter' stance. |
| 07:54.21 | SimonRaven | you miss the point |
| 07:54.36 | michal_ | valdyn: it doesn't imply anything except that X has changed in debian |
| 07:54.54 | Dwonis | husaeso: I'm not saying I'm smarter, I'm saying I don't understand what you're trying to say, and you don't understand what I'm trying to say, so it's pointless for us to continue arguing. |
| 07:55.11 | SimonRaven | husaeso: from what i've seen, you haven't proven anything |
| 07:55.20 | husaeso | SimonRaven: i did not. the msg u sent out has many more characters than the 'u' i use. |
| 07:55.32 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: have fun. apparently it's more secure to run anti-virus programs on Linux, even if these programs won't do anything useful |
| 07:55.37 | valdyn | !find etc/X11/X sid |
| 07:55.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/X11/X' (7 of 20): (/etc/X11/XBanner.ad) in x11/xbanner ;; (/etc/X11/Xsession.d/90tpb) in utils/tpb ;; (/etc/X11/Xloadimage) in graphics/xloadimage ;; (/etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx) in x11/numlockx ;; (/etc/X11/Xsession.d/90im-switch) in x11/im-switch ;; (/etc/X11/Xresources/hanterm-xf) in x11/hanterm-xf ;; (/etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus_dbus-launch) in devel/dbus. |
| 07:56.03 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: and Bruce Schneier only knows about cryptography |
| 07:56.08 | michal_ | the gdm conf specifically has no displays configured. and it worked that way for almost 3 years |
| 07:56.10 | SimonRaven | the only thing useful is filter out any viruses that go through the AV. |
| 07:56.26 | michal_ | doh |
| 07:56.27 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: nono, this is to protect _Linux_ from viruses. |
| 07:56.27 | michal_ | dinner |
| 07:56.31 | michal_ | 5900 stream tcp wait michal /usr/bin/Xvnc Xvnc -inetd -query localhost -fp unix/:7100 -once passwordFile=/home/michal/.vnc/passwd |
| 07:56.36 | michal_ | and i had that in inetd.conf |
| 07:56.37 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 07:56.46 | michal_ | anyway.. dinner now.. will be back later to figure this out |
| 07:56.51 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: oh, and all crypto is broken... just look at how 'easily' WEP was cracked |
| 07:56.54 | SimonRaven | O_o |
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| 07:57.31 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: It's not _entirely_ irrational, but still... |
| 07:57.35 | SimonRaven | it will be broken when/if quatum computers become feasible/more available |
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| 07:57.43 | SimonRaven | quantum* |
| 07:58.05 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: not quite. airsnort can crack WEP keys, due to a bias that was found in the first few bytes of RC4 keystreams |
| 07:58.19 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: with enough ciphertext, that is |
| 07:58.37 | SimonRaven | *shrug*. what do i care, i don't use wireless |
| 07:58.58 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: I'm guessing you're not a crypto enthusiast, either :) |
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| 07:59.24 | SimonRaven | curious, but not enthusiastic |
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| 07:59.51 | valdyn | wep being broken doesnt make crypto bad anyway |
| 08:00.05 | Dwonis | valdyn: Indeed. It makes crypto better, actually |
| 08:00.20 | unstable | How can I force a download of a package via apt-get even if I have dependency issues. |
| 08:00.28 | unstable | I don't want to install it, I just want to download it. |
| 08:00.31 | SimonRaven | you don't |
| 08:00.35 | Dwonis | unstable: -d |
| 08:00.37 | unstable | I tried, "apt-get install -d fglrx-driver" |
| 08:00.42 | unstable | It doesn't work. |
| 08:00.49 | valdyn | unstable: get it via http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:00.49 | unstable | The following packages have unmet dependencies: fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (< 6.9.99) |
| 08:00.53 | unstable | E: Broken packages |
| 08:00.57 | unstable | Is what I get, and it doesn't download. |
| 08:01.21 | unstable | valdyn: So it's not possible with apt-get? |
| 08:01.30 | valdyn | unstable: as far as i know, nope |
| 08:01.38 | SimonRaven | get source package, find patches, rebuild with proper deps |
| 08:01.43 | Dwonis | unstable: not without resolving the dependencies, I think |
| 08:02.01 | SimonRaven | there's a reason it deps on xorg below 6.9.99 |
| 08:02.23 | unstable | I know, my card isn't supported by fglrx anyway |
| 08:02.28 | unstable | And I don't want to install it. |
| 08:02.41 | unstable | Something is pissing me off that I need to fix. |
| 08:02.54 | Dwonis | unstable: your cat? |
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| 08:03.03 | unstable | I installed fglrx a month or so ago, to test out something when I was helping my friend. and I did apt-get remove fglrx-driver, and it removed it. |
| 08:03.21 | unstable | But when I do dpkg -al|grep fgrlx, it shows as rc |
| 08:03.30 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 08:03.33 | unstable | And I can't apt-get remove --purge it, it won't work. as it's "already removed" |
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| 08:03.36 | liable | unstable: and its not in cache anymore? |
| 08:03.36 | unstable | so I must install it |
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| 08:03.40 | unstable | dpkg -i --forec-all |
| 08:03.41 | unstable | then purge it |
| 08:03.42 | valdyn | unstable: use dpkg --purge |
| 08:03.50 | valdyn | unstable: dpkg --purge <packagename> |
| 08:03.50 | unstable | ahh, thanks valdyn |
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| 08:04.06 | JKnife | what do yall think of this ftp.gnome.org/crap/knoppix ? |
| 08:04.10 | SimonRaven | no, you don't force it, you --purge it |
| 08:04.12 | valdyn | unstable: this should probably be reported as apt-get bug imo, if it isnt yet |
| 08:04.17 | hrtp | is it safe to install 'fail2ban' on sarge stable? just wondering coz the only version they have is unstable/testing |
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| 08:04.39 | SimonRaven | valdyn: no, since s/he didn't use --purge the first time |
| 08:04.43 | valdyn | hrtp: what _exactly_ does that do? |
| 08:04.55 | hrtp | !fail2ban |
| 08:04.55 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with ssh and iptunnel, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 08:04.58 | valdyn | SimonRaven: apt-get still wont purge a removed package? |
| 08:05.00 | Dwonis | JKnife: I think it must be Sunday. |
| 08:05.05 | valdyn | SimonRaven: tbh i havent tried lately |
| 08:05.07 | unstable | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kvOKaX33.html |
| 08:05.15 | unstable | If I purge all those programs I won't break my system right? |
| 08:05.19 | JKnife | Dwonis: nope only saturday |
| 08:05.31 | hrtp | what yall think? |
| 08:05.31 | teledyn_ | JKnife: what is it? |
| 08:05.31 | JKnife | at 4am |
| 08:05.33 | valdyn | unstable: purging removed packages just removes unused config files |
| 08:05.36 | teun | hrtp: i'm running it on production boxes running sarge |
| 08:05.46 | teun | hrtp: works like a charm |
| 08:05.49 | SimonRaven | valdyn: of course it will. use --purge with the command |
| 08:05.56 | JKnife | teledyn_: knoppix uses only KDE that is a real folder on the gnome ftp |
| 08:06.06 | JKnife | i think its just a joke or somethin |
| 08:06.10 | JKnife | nothin in it |
| 08:06.18 | unstable | valdyn: I know..but when I see x11-common I get worried |
| 08:06.20 | hrtp | teun: i see, just wondering, coz there were some kids trying to bruceforce my other box |
| 08:06.51 | teun | yeah, that was one of the reasons we started running it too, way too many login attempts on some boxes |
| 08:07.11 | Dwonis | "access denial system"... I love it! |
| 08:07.11 | teledyn_ | JKnife: i'm not sure what you are saying. a real folder on the gnome ftp. that doesn't make sense |
| 08:07.21 | valdyn | unstable: you should insetall x11-common if you want X running |
| 08:07.39 | unstable | valdyn: I know, but I have x11-common 6.9 rc'd |
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| 08:07.52 | JKnife | teledyn_: a folder in crap/knoppix on the gnome ftp... i think its a joke but i am not sure |
| 08:07.57 | hrtp | teun: is there any way to unban an ip though, like for example, your ip got banned accidentally |
| 08:08.04 | unstable | valdyn: wihle x11 7.0 is installed ii fine |
| 08:08.14 | valdyn | unstable: 'apt-get install xorg' |
| 08:08.21 | Dwonis | hrtp: just get another IP address. There are plenty |
| 08:08.39 | Dwonis | nobody will ever need more than 2**32 IP addresses |
| 08:08.41 | teun | hrtp: you can except your own ips, and ips get unbanned automatically after a set time |
| 08:08.43 | unstable | valdyn: I'm in X now..it works fine.(i have no problems with my system) |
| 08:08.44 | JKnife | Dwonis: not true.. thats why IPv6 was made |
| 08:08.55 | JKnife | :) |
| 08:08.56 | Dwonis | It's definitely Sunday |
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| 08:09.01 | unstable | The rc from fglrx was just bothering me, and other pages that were removed over the last 6 months or so, but not purged. |
| 08:09.02 | hrtp | Dwonis: what are you talkin about? |
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| 08:09.04 | JKnife | Saturdady! |
| 08:09.06 | unstable | So they were showed as rc on dpkg -al; |
| 08:09.09 | JKnife | Saturday* |
| 08:09.18 | Henk | I have a computer that has two nics (eth0, eth1) eth0 is connected to the internet and has a few real-world ips. It has got one ip bound and does masquerade from for the internal network 192.168.1.0/24 on eth1. I want one of the free real-world ips that i can bind on eth0 to be 1-on-1 forwarded to eth1 so i can have a computer in the internal network (connected to eth1) use that IP. How do i do that ? |
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| 08:09.26 | valdyn | unstable: x11-common seems to be a special package in that it provides no real files, only directories that other packages may rely upon |
| 08:09.37 | valdyn | unstable: so its not needed to run anything but to install some things |
| 08:09.42 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: i've seen worse, but yeh, sunday it is |
| 08:09.55 | valdyn | !rdepends x11-common |
| 08:10.01 | hrtp | teun: so, did you just download the file off the site then dpgk -i ? |
| 08:10.01 | Dwonis | Hank: easiest way is to assign the _real_ address to the computer on the internal network, and set up proper routing for it |
| 08:10.06 | teun | hrtp: yes |
| 08:10.10 | hrtp | i see |
| 08:10.15 | Dwonis | Hank: i.e. non-NAT routing for that specific address |
| 08:10.38 | unstable | valdyn: I have x11-common 7.0 installed, as ii running fine. valdyn It was the older x11-common 6.9 that remained on my dpkg -al list, it was rc'd but not purged. This is what I speak of. |
| 08:10.40 | Henk | Dwonis, and how do i set up 'proper' routing ? What steps are needed ? |
| 08:10.45 | valdyn | unstable: and since those directories wont be empty, removing x11-common wont affect a thing, as i understand |
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| 08:10.57 | xomhau | re hi |
| 08:11.33 | valdyn | unstable: now that doesnt make sense |
| 08:12.09 | unstable | valdyn: eh, xorg7 on unstable, I don't want to know why that happened |
| 08:12.20 | unstable | I just don't want the rc's listed on dpkg -al..they bother me. heh |
| 08:12.41 | Dwonis | Hank: it depends on your iptables setup. You need to exclude that address from NAT'ing (which is probably already done if your masquerading rule is applied to 192.168.1.0/24 only) |
| 08:12.55 | unstable | dpkg -al|grep -v ii shows no packages rc'd...YES...thanks valdyn my life is complete now. I can sleep in peace now. |
| 08:12.55 | dpkg | unstable: what are you talking about? |
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| 08:13.08 | unstable | night dpkg |
| 08:13.10 | unstable | !night |
| 08:13.11 | dpkg | gnight |
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| 08:13.32 | Dwonis | Hank: the other thing you need to do is to tell the machine inside your LAN how to access your router. The easiest way is to enable proxy_arp, though for complicated (i.e. multi-homed) setups, that might not work. |
| 08:13.36 | Henk | Dwonis, it's not in nat no. so that should be ok |
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| 08:14.38 | Dwonis | Henk: ok, is the client machine (the non-router) a Linux machine? |
| 08:15.11 | Dwonis | Henk: forget, for a minute, what I said about proxy_arp |
| 08:15.13 | Henk | Dwonis, it's all linux |
| 08:15.38 | Dwonis | Henk: ok, what you should do is install iproute on the client machine, if it isn't already |
| 08:15.56 | Henk | got that |
| 08:16.05 | Dwonis | Henk: Can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces for the client machine to a pastebin? |
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| 08:17.08 | xomhau | anyone , if i pull off the network cable , then run app very very slow ,why? |
| 08:17.26 | Dwonis | xomhau: something is probably querying the DNS |
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| 08:17.32 | xixor | so, just installed sarge from cd, but it is still using the 2.2.20-idepci install image as the kernel |
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| 08:18.05 | Dwonis | xixor: when you do the initial install, right at the isolinux bootloader (where you normally press enter, or press f1 for help), type "linux26" |
| 08:18.08 | Henk | Dwonis, its currently not that interesting. it's now just dhcp'ing a 192.168.1.n address from the gateway. |
| 08:18.17 | Dwonis | xixor: wait, *2.2* ? with sarge? |
| 08:18.20 | xomhau | Dwonis, can i turnoff dns? |
| 08:18.30 | xixor | Dwonis : Hm.... ok, I just did "linux" |
| 08:18.40 | xixor | Dwonis : yeah.. I am a little shocked myself |
| 08:18.54 | Dwonis | xixor: I'm not so sure that's sarge. I thought sarge was 2.4 |
| 08:19.23 | Dwonis | xomhau: not in general. If you tell us what app you're talking about, we might be able to be more helpful |
| 08:19.30 | xixor | I know.. debian_version says 3.1 sarge though |
| 08:20.03 | Dwonis | Henk: ok, imagine that 24.72.103.137 is the IP address you want to assign. |
| 08:20.08 | xomhau | Dwonis, e.g when i starting X : startx , e.g: start rox-filer ... |
| 08:20.11 | Dwonis | Henk: What's the internal address of your router? |
| 08:20.22 | Henk | 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:20.39 | TraceGreen | Hello, lspci: system tell me: pcilib: cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices, what can i do? |
| 08:20.42 | Henk | or it can be 24.72.103.* |
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| 08:20.44 | michal_ | son of a bitch.. got it working.. somehow |
| 08:20.53 | Henk | for sake of this example |
| 08:21.45 | Dwonis | Henk: oh, if you're worried about privacy, I don't care. That's my address, and you can find it out by /whoising me anyway |
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| 08:23.14 | hrtp | teun: do you know where fail2ban.conf located? |
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| 08:23.34 | hrtp | i looked in /etc but its not there |
| 08:23.38 | Dwonis | Henk: ok, I _think_ this will work for the client machine: http://pastebin.com/674847 |
| 08:23.55 | Dwonis | Henk: but you'll also need to run "ip route add 24.72.103.137 dev eth1" on the router |
| 08:24.00 | SimonRaven | hrtp: man dpkg; -L |
| 08:24.54 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: "bash: -L: command not found" ;-) |
| 08:25.24 | hrtp | SimonRaven: i manually installed this |
| 08:25.27 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 08:25.35 | mosgreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.39 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: ;) |
| 08:26.00 | Henk | Dwonis, And i do not need to do anything with ARP on the router? |
| 08:26.02 | mosgreg | oh, it is already |
| 08:26.12 | fantomas | Hi. I'm trying to build mysql-workbench-1.0.5beta on Debian sarge. I got needed sources of gtk+, gtkmm (and some others) and built everything. The problem occures at the last stage of building: linking of mysql-workbench-bin. Here is the error: http://pastebin.com/674845 Would anyone help? |
| 08:26.23 | Dwonis | Henk: oh right, yes. um... |
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| 08:26.28 | SimonRaven | hrtp: from a deb? if so, and? even if not, why would that matter? |
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| 08:27.13 | Dwonis | Henk: I'm not actually sure of the exact command. I _think_ it's "arp -Ds -i eth0 24.72.103.137 eth0", but I'm totally guessing |
| 08:27.25 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: see you. i'm Zzzz |
| 08:27.35 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: g'nite :) |
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| 08:29.44 | Henk | Dwonis, that's ok i'll fihure that out. So i need to start ARPing for the address on eth0 of the router, Add a route to that addres pointing at eth1, Bind the client on the adrres and add a route to eth1 on the gateway. .. .hmm i think the default route needs to be in the same subnet as the ip is. So i might need to assign a arp entry for the external ip of the router to eth1 |
| 08:29.59 | Henk | Dwonis, i'm going to try this thanks |
| 08:30.14 | Dwonis | Henk: the default route doesn't need to be on the same subnet; it just needs to be routable |
| 08:30.21 | Dwonis | Henk: hence, the "add 192.168.1.1" |
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| 08:31.26 | Henk | Dwonis, but for it to be routeable the client needs to be in 192.168.1.* still right? |
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| 08:32.15 | Henk | If i remove the client from the 192.168 net and just assign a 24.72.103.n address it will not know how to find 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:32.19 | Dwonis | Henk: It doesn't need it, but that line should actually be changed to "up ip route add 192.168.1.0/24", so that the client can still access _internal_ addresses, I think |
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| 08:33.16 | Dwonis | Henk: You have to be careful. If your router is 24.72.103.10, and the client is 24.72.103.11, and you set up a route of 24.72.103.0/24 on the client (or use a /24 subnet mask), then addresses like 24.72.103.60 might be inaccessible on the client |
| 08:33.29 | hrtp | if you installed python2.4, is it safe to remove python2.3, or just keep it there? |
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| 08:33.38 | hrtp | -ed |
| 08:33.57 | Dwonis | Henk: but yeah, if you add the right arps, it should work. When I had a system like that, I just enabled proxy_arp everywhere and let the routing take care of arp :) |
| 08:34.20 | Dwonis | Henk: but that's not necessarily the most future-proof idea |
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| 08:34.54 | Mazingaro | did anyone ever used allied telesyn stuffs??? (like switches) |
| 08:34.54 | Dwonis | Henk: In any case, you seem to get the general idea, so I'm sure you'll figure it out (or come back with a specific question) |
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| 08:35.45 | Henk | Dwonis, so the proxy-arp way, that means i just add a route on the gateway " ip r a 24.72.103.11 dev eth1" and somehow enable proxy_arp ? |
| 08:35.58 | Henk | is that a /proc flag? |
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| 08:36.19 | Dwonis | Henk: yes, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/<IFACE>/proxy_arp |
| 08:36.45 | Dwonis | Henk: basically, Linux will answer ARP requests, on the given interface, for any addresses it knows how to route |
| 08:37.01 | Henk | Dwonis, seems like that could be a pretty good way to set this up. |
| 08:37.07 | Dwonis | Henk: _including_ private addresses and the default route (which is why this is kinda dangerous) |
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| 08:37.34 | Dwonis | Henk: It's leaky, but it's at least enough to get you up and running, then you can fine-tune your ARP settings |
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| 08:38.02 | clars | Is it diffecault to build an .deb of out of .tar.gz ? |
| 08:38.13 | Henk | Dwonis, i see. Ok i'm going to read a little about both setups and try wich one works for me. Thank you |
| 08:38.22 | Dwonis | Henk: you're welcome :) |
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| 08:38.54 | quitte | hrtp have a look at what else would be removed and decide yourself |
| 08:39.13 | Dwonis | OMG, zgv or its derivatives have a security hole? amazing! |
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| 08:42.06 | dsj | join #debian |
| 08:42.16 | Dwonis | dsj: I did already |
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| 08:42.47 | dsj | Hey Dwonis |
| 08:42.53 | Dwonis | hi dsj |
| 08:43.08 | dsj | Are there any ubuntu channels |
| 08:43.20 | Dwonis | dsj: #ubuntu |
| 08:43.59 | dsj | sorry new to irc |
| 08:44.22 | hrtp | how come when i tried to remove 'python2.3' it also wants to remove some other stuff like xchat-common,xchat, etc |
| 08:44.22 | Dwonis | dsj: it's fine. everyone starts out new. You already did something right by not asking us to solve your Ubuntu problems :) |
| 08:44.30 | hrtp | and some of gnome games |
| 08:44.50 | Dwonis | hrtp: some games are written in Python. xchat has a Python scripting backend |
| 08:45.06 | dsj | the only reason i installed ubuntu was that the debian installer did not detect my nic for n/w install |
| 08:45.22 | hrtp | Dwonis: so what's gonna happen if i remove python2.3? |
| 08:45.31 | hrtp | but i have python2.4 installed though |
| 08:45.36 | Dwonis | dsj: oh, there's nothing wrong with Ubuntu, it's just offtopic here |
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| 08:46.07 | Dwonis | dsj: and solutions to Ubuntu problems are generally different from solutions to Debian problems, although there is occasionally some overlap |
| 08:46.23 | Dwonis | hrtp: those packages will also get removed? |
| 08:46.24 | hrtp | what you think Dwonis |
| 08:46.35 | hrtp | you think so? |
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| 08:46.44 | Dwonis | hrtp: what do you think? |
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| 08:47.26 | Dwonis | hrtp: oh, I didn't see your python2.4 comment |
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| 08:47.39 | Dwonis | hrtp: python2.3 and python2.4 are completely separate, for various reasons |
| 08:47.48 | xixor | Dwonis : you what, the image I downloaded from linuxiso.org was 3.0r4, not 3.1 |
| 08:47.50 | hrtp | i know |
| 08:47.57 | Dwonis | xixor: ah, that makes sense |
| 08:47.59 | hrtp | i have python2.4 installed |
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| 08:48.15 | xixor | Dwonis : so I just did a base install with the 2.4kernel from that install disk |
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| 08:48.27 | hrtp | and im trying to remove python2.3, but it synaptic wants me to remove some other stuff that i don't want to remove |
| 08:48.29 | hrtp | you get what im saying? |
| 08:48.31 | michal_ | i think i need to move back to xfree86 :/ |
| 08:48.38 | xixor | Dwonis: going to try to upgrade from woody tUpgrading Debian; Debian tips; Where to get more information ... Upgrading Debian. To upgrade, change references in /etc/apt/sources.list from stable to ... |
| 08:48.38 | xixor | www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/debian/gen.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages |
| 08:48.38 | xixor | Upgrading Debian from Woody to Sarge (testing) |
| 08:48.38 | xixor | Notes on upgrading Debian from Woody to Sarge. According to a thread on linux.debian.user there are chances that an upgrade is very easy: ... |
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| 08:48.38 | Dwonis | hrtp: it's perfectly reasonable to have both python2.3 and python2.4 installed. |
| 08:48.55 | hrtp | no problem with that? |
| 08:49.02 | hrtp | that they're both installed? |
| 08:49.13 | Dwonis | hrtp: other than the disk space they take up, it's not a problem at all :) |
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| 08:49.19 | hrtp | i see |
| 08:49.29 | mileskeaton | hi guys. FreeBSD guy here, trying to switch to Debian (etch/testing). All is going well so far, but hit my first snag that I don't understand |
| 08:49.34 | mileskeaton | Trying to apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 08:49.36 | mileskeaton | The following packages have unmet dependencies |
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| 08:49.38 | Dwonis | hrtp: if you care about disk space, you're more likely to be able to uninstall python2.4, at least for now |
| 08:49.39 | mileskeaton | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.45 | xixor | oops, sorry about that |
| 08:49.50 | valdyn | mileskeaton: why are you not using sarge/stable ? |
| 08:49.55 | Dwonis | !tell xixor about paster |
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| 08:50.13 | mileskeaton | valdyn: dunno. living life on the edge, I guess. |
| 08:50.16 | michal_ | oh wtf? now it magically works :/ |
| 08:50.25 | mileskeaton | I wanted to have the newest ports |
| 08:50.37 | Braindead | use unstable then |
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| 08:50.40 | mileskeaton | Can sarge/stable have things like postgresql-8.1 and mysql-5.0 |
| 08:50.48 | valdyn | mileskeaton: testing always misses some packges, you can try the unstable versions, you can try a backport from unstable |
| 08:50.56 | mileskeaton | So... use Sarge but switch /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable? |
| 08:51.04 | valdyn | mileskeaton: but you probably should just use sarge till you are somewhat familiar with debian |
| 08:51.05 | Dwonis | mileskeaton: if you _really_ want to live on the edge, use _experimental_, but don't come crying to us *when* it horribly breaks your system :) |
| 08:51.05 | xixor | yeah, I didn't mean to paste, something seems to go wrong with the mouse pad on this laptop, that if I brush it a little bit wierd things happen |
| 08:51.17 | Braindead | mileskeaton: and do an aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 08:51.24 | mmassonnet | michal_: PONIES! |
| 08:51.29 | mileskeaton | Braindead: did that. |
| 08:51.32 | Dwonis | mmassonnet: OMG! |
| 08:51.34 | Braindead | ( aptitude-doc-en ) |
| 08:51.45 | Braindead | mileskeaton: AFTER changing the sources.list |
| 08:52.11 | mileskeaton | Braindead: ah. ok. after changing etch to sarge? does it work backwards like that? |
| 08:52.17 | Braindead | nope |
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| 08:52.27 | mileskeaton | Braindead: do a new install? |
| 08:52.28 | dsj | goodnight dwonis |
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| 08:52.39 | valdyn | mileskeaton: yes |
| 08:52.48 | Dwonis | dsj: g'nite |
| 08:52.55 | Braindead | mileskeaton: you could play with apt-pinning and such to do a downgrade. but it seems quite clear you don't know how to do it |
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| 08:53.06 | hrtp | Dwonis: have you ever used 'fail2ban' ? |
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| 08:53.52 | Dwonis | mileskeaton: FYI: I have this in /etc/apt/preferences: http://pastebin.com/674862 |
| 08:53.52 | mileskeaton | yeah - it's OK - my new install is only an hour old. |
| 08:53.52 | Dwonis | hrtp: nope |
| 08:53.52 | mileskeaton | back to downloading ISOs again.... |
| 08:53.52 | valdyn | mileskeaton: you should install sarge from scratch and you can then still upgrade parts to etch, while watching that nothing you need gets removed |
| 08:53.52 | Braindead | mileskeaton: at this stage you might as well dist-upgrade to sid |
| 08:53.53 | Braindead | mileskeaton: ISO? no way. worst case scenario is another NET install |
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| 08:54.08 | valdyn | mileskeaton: sid would be more complete ( less packages uninstallable ), but more prone to severe bugs |
| 08:54.13 | Dwonis | Braindead, mileskeaton: I wouldn't recommend that a newbie dist-upgrade to sid |
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| 08:54.33 | Dwonis | mileskeaton: etch *should* work. If it doesn't, it's a bug. |
| 08:54.57 | mileskeaton | wait - just for the record : not THAT much of a newbie. FreeBSD guy for 10 years. just getting to know the Debian terminology |
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| 08:55.17 | mileskeaton | etch is OK in every other way so far. in fact it's awesome |
| 08:55.23 | mileskeaton | just that one missing mysql-perl thing |
| 08:55.48 | valdyn | mileskeaton: that is in fact the main etch 'problem', that its missing things at all times |
| 08:55.56 | Dwonis | mileskeaton: still, you're coming here asking questions, so I'd say sid is not for you. Especially, right now, if you use X. |
| 08:56.05 | mileskeaton | valdyn: ah. ok. gotcha. |
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| 08:56.20 | mileskeaton | no X on this box : just a LAMP server |
| 08:56.32 | valdyn | mileskeaton: once you had a running system that is much less of a problem since you can have local packages installed that no longer exist in etch |
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| 08:56.49 | Dwonis | mileskeaton: Personally, I add testing, and sid to my sources.list, and stick the above-mentioned URL into /etc/apt/preferences, so that testing versions of packages get used unless I explicitly ask for packages in unstable |
| 08:56.53 | valdyn | mileskeaton: which is why upgrading sarge to etch is much cleaner imo than installing etch from scratch |
| 08:56.54 | mileskeaton | OK - So... go install Sarge, change "stable" to "unstable" in /etc/apt/sources.list, update & upgrade, and that should get me a stable O.S. but with current ports? |
| 08:57.03 | Braindead | mileskeaton: NO. |
| 08:57.09 | Braindead | you'll get sid/unstable |
| 08:57.22 | mileskeaton | change "sarge" to "etch", then? |
| 08:57.23 | Braindead | really. go read some docs on debian.org |
| 08:57.25 | valdyn | mileskeaton: upgrading sarge to etch would probably have held back upgrades, but not missing things as easily |
| 08:58.01 | Braindead | mileskeaton: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 08:58.14 | valdyn | mileskeaton: personally i've been using etch + fixes from unstable where i see fit, but that is probably requiring some knowledge about debian already ) |
| 08:58.22 | Dwonis | mileskeaton: I agree with Braindead. This stuff is well-documented, and the documentation is better-written than the conflicting opinions of everyone here (it's 3AM for some of us). |
| 08:58.31 | mileskeaton | ok. I getcha. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. Sorry I know these questions are dumb. We do it vice-versa when people try FreeBSD the first time, too. :-) |
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| 08:58.45 | Dwonis | mileskeaton: no problem :) |
| 08:59.02 | Dwonis | !qotd0 |
| 08:59.03 | dpkg | qotd87 is <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
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| 08:59.18 | Dwonis | how is _that_ a qotd? |
| 08:59.24 | Dwonis | !factinfo qotd87 |
| 08:59.24 | dpkg | qotd87 -- created by citral <~christoph@kss9-d9bb8b6c.pool.mediaWays.net> at Mon Sep 27 20:10:40 2004 (571 days); it has been requested 55 times, last by amphi at Wed Nov 16 18:44:44 2005. |
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| 08:59.51 | Dwonis | hi raf256 |
| 09:00.08 | raf256 | hello Dwonis |
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| 09:00.56 | gloin | anyone here upgrade dovecot on sarge to a current version and have internal imap folders disappear? |
| 09:01.08 | gloin | more to point, anyone here know what's stuffed in that change? |
| 09:01.28 | hrtp | what's the diff between purge and remove? |
| 09:01.50 | valdyn | gloin: dovecot config syntax changed from sarge to current |
| 09:01.55 | Dwonis | gloin: zless /usr/share/doc/dovecot/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 09:02.16 | valdyn | gloin: you might even want to use the new default config and adjust that to your old state |
| 09:02.23 | gloin | valdyn: yeah, I had to use the dovecot-example.conf for it to even work |
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| 09:02.35 | Dwonis | hrtp: man dpkg (see PACKAGE SELECTION STATES) |
| 09:02.37 | gloin | but comparing the two, I don't see where imap folders should be affected |
| 09:03.02 | valdyn | gloin: maybe check the bts, i havent had problems myself though |
| 09:03.06 | gloin | Dwonis: I compiled from sources. Is there a .deb for sarge that's >1.04? |
| 09:03.21 | Dwonis | gloin: ah, no idea. But there should still be a changelog somewhere |
| 09:03.28 | valdyn | !info dovecot sid |
| 09:03.37 | gloin | valdyn: heh |
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| 09:04.18 | valdyn | !info dovecot-imap sid |
| 09:04.21 | gloin | hrm |
| 09:04.23 | gloin | No maintainer for dovecot 1.04. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
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| 09:04.27 | gloin | whee |
| 09:04.30 | xomhau | re hi |
| 09:04.31 | jetscreamer | omg we've been invaded by a dwarf! |
| 09:04.36 | gloin | hi tilde |
| 09:04.45 | jetscreamer | hey digi |
| 09:04.55 | Braindead | gloin: backports.org |
| 09:04.59 | valdyn | !info dovecot-imapd sid |
| 09:05.01 | dpkg | dovecot-imapd: (secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.beta7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 509 kB, Installed size: 896 kB |
| 09:05.44 | quitte | how can i tell evolution to send a encrypted mail even if the key can not be trusted,yet? |
| 09:06.05 | Dwonis | quitte: dunno, but you shouldn't do that :) |
| 09:06.08 | gloin | ooh nifty, valdyn. Now where to find that version? Just add backports to apt.sources? |
| 09:06.12 | michal_ | anyone know how to run an arbitary program in gnome? |
| 09:06.23 | Dwonis | michal_: alt-f2 ? |
| 09:06.25 | valdyn | gloin: that is from unstable |
| 09:06.36 | valdyn | gloin: you could backport that, might work or not, i dont know |
| 09:06.42 | valdyn | gloin: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:06.49 | michal_ | Dwonis, thanks.. i find that so unintuitive it's must be the billionth time i've forgotten :/ |
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| 09:06.59 | quitte | Dwonis: i should. because that way i make sure that the one i send the mail to has access to it and can read it. |
| 09:07.00 | Usiu | Hi |
| 09:07.30 | Dwonis | !tell quitte about mitm |
| 09:07.34 | Usiu | How to fix this ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359328 |
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| 09:08.35 | valdyn | Usiu: can you read? the fix is written there |
| 09:08.43 | quitte | Dwonis: i already exchanged keys in person and verified with id card. |
| 09:08.43 | Dwonis | quitte: so then why don't you just sign their key? |
| 09:08.44 | Dwonis | quitte: even use lsign, to prevent the signature from being exported, if you like |
| 09:09.05 | quitte | Dwonis: because according to a DD that i trust first sending an encrypted mail and waiting for the answer is the proper way to do it |
| 09:09.16 | quitte | Dwonis: ah. thanks |
| 09:09.24 | Dwonis | quitte: I fail to see how that helps |
| 09:09.40 | Dwonis | quitte: either you can trust the key, based on the fingerprint, or you can' |
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| 09:09.43 | Usiu | valdyn, it doesnt work |
| 09:09.56 | Dwonis | quitte: can't |
| 09:10.19 | Dwonis | quitte: if you can't, then sending an encrypted mail won't give you any extra security against man-in-the-middle attacks |
| 09:10.22 | valdyn | Usiu: google gravityboy blog, i believe there's a fix too, somewhere |
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| 09:10.53 | quitte | Dwonis: man in the middle is unable to decrypt |
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| 09:11.22 | Dwonis | quitte: only if you know that the key you have is correct |
| 09:11.22 | quitte | Dwonis: and i dont know if the valid recipient can actually decrypt,yet |
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| 09:12.19 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have a problem with the wifi network of my debian laptop. I'm connected to my neighbor's network and I can't connect to my access point. How do I scan for other AP ? |
| 09:12.24 | Dwonis | quitte: but what does that gain you? |
| 09:12.24 | xomhau | q |
| 09:12.25 | Dwonis | quitte: It sounds like a hand-waving to me. |
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| 09:12.30 | Den | Hi - what's the status of X? I'm speifically concerned about the synaptic touchpad driver. I see with dpkg -l ii xserver-xfree86 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 transitional package for moving from xfree86 to X.Org and ii xfree86-driver-synaptics , but the touchpad doesn't work - Any ideas what's up? |
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| 09:13.15 | Dwonis | s/ a / / |
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| 09:13.53 | lord_rob | Den: it works on my laptop (I think but I'm not exactly sure what a synaptic touchpad is sorry) |
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| 09:15.00 | quitte | Dwonis: it's an extra verification and im trying to do this as good as possible. the whole signing stuff might easily become useless if i mess up small steps so i'D rather do it as correct as possible. |
| 09:16.13 | valdyn | lord_rob: iwconfig eth0 essid <your essid> |
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| 09:17.43 | Dwonis | quitte: but it's important to recognize that you're not validating that the key belongs to the person, but rather, that the person controls the email address. |
| 09:17.43 | Dwonis | quitte: I'd do the simplest thing. Either lsign, (or better, forcing your email client to send the email anyway :)) |
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| 09:17.44 | Dwonis | quitte: but in any case, I don't know _how_ to do that :) |
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| 09:18.09 | xomhau | what's the happen? |
| 09:18.09 | Dwonis | xomhau: a whole bunch of people got tired of sitting on IRC ;) |
| 09:18.10 | gloin | netsplit |
| 09:18.10 | gloin | haha |
| 09:18.10 | gloin | something like that |
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| 09:18.10 | Dwonis | xomhau: and realized that they can't live without it |
| 09:19.15 | xomhau | Dwonis, :D |
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| 09:19.50 | Dwonis | oh wait, debhelper was gone? I could have mercilessly flooded the channel! mwahahaha |
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| 09:20.14 | Dwonis | though I suppose it would take a lot to flood the channel more than a few hundred part/join messages |
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| 09:24.27 | joelbryan | hello, how do I create a /usr/lib/myapp/ directory in Makefile.am? |
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| 09:25.11 | cmdKeen | Hi everyone. How can I set default X cursor theme ? for example I apt-get install comixcursors and want to use them as default ? |
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| 09:25.23 | k31th | I neewd ot add alot of user to a system anyone got any ideals ? |
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| 09:25.37 | alfatau | hello, a question: i've a linux gateway for a lan, and i would monitor the traffic (speed) by ip, and then log etc.. is there a way to see on the gateway the amount of traffic done by the lan's hosts, sorted by ip? |
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| 09:26.16 | Den | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.23 | valdyn | cmdKeen: update-alternatives --list x-cursor-theme |
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| 09:30.20 | greennick | i'm on a 64-bit sys, trying to run openoffice through a 32-bit chroot and a small script as described at https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272095 but keep running into silly script errors like "my: command not found" - any ideas where i'm going wrong? |
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| 09:31.00 | Dwonis | greennick: "my: command not found" sounds like you're trying to execute a perl script using bash |
| 09:31.24 | Dwonis | greennick: try adding #!/usr/bin/perl as the first line of the script |
| 09:31.27 | cmdKeen | valdyn, that lists few thems, but not comixcursors... and if I'd want to set some of those ? update-alternatives seems quite complex... |
| 09:32.22 | greennick | Dwonis: it's a bash script (do_dchroot) that calls a perl script (ooffice) - both do have their own appropriate first lines |
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| 09:32.40 | Braindead | cmdKeen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=355890 |
| 09:33.44 | cmdKeen | Braindead, oh, thanks. |
| 09:33.46 | gloin | totally weird |
| 09:33.47 | lord_rob | Does "iwlist scan" scan for a list of available access points in the area ? When I was connected to my neighbor's AP I couldn't find mine. Now that I'm connected to mine, I can't find my neighbor's anymore. We are both using WEP open |
| 09:33.53 | gloin | had to resubscribe to all my inbox folders |
| 09:33.57 | gloin | then they worked |
| 09:34.12 | Dwonis | greennick: no idea then, but I wouldn't expect "my: command not found" if perl was actually running the right script |
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| 09:34.27 | Dwonis | g'nite folks! |
| 09:34.59 | valdyn | lord_rob: scanning does not work when you are connected to an AP, usually, you need to change the mode of your wlan interface to do scanning, monitor ot ad-hoc mode may work ( though some drivers support no scanning at all ) |
| 09:35.24 | valdyn | lord_rob: ipw2100 can scan only in ad-hoc mode |
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| 09:35.28 | greennick | Dwonis: I think you're right, I suspect there's a problem with the bash script (it's only 6 lines: http://rafb.net/paste/results/mrGQFu86.html ) that calls the program, but i'm not script-savvy enough to figure it out.. |
| 09:35.33 | meow- | !hello |
| 09:35.33 | dpkg | Hi, meow-! |
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| 09:36.13 | lord_rob | valdyn: I'm using ipw2200 |
| 09:36.23 | lord_rob | maybe it's the same |
| 09:36.25 | valdyn | lord_rob: try what i said |
| 09:36.42 | valdyn | lord_rob: ifconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc; iwlist eth0 scanning |
| 09:36.46 | valdyn | lord_rob: iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc; iwlist eth0 scanning |
| 09:36.52 | Dwonis | greennick: that looks like it might be right, but I don't know enough about dchroot to give a useful answer |
| 09:37.09 | greennick | Dwonis: no problem, thanks for your help |
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| 09:37.21 | Dwonis | greennick: if you want to send me free 64-bit hardware, I could take a closer look ;) |
| 09:37.49 | greennick | Dwonis: haha... :-P |
| 09:37.56 | lord_rob | ok thanks valdyn let's try |
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| 09:38.40 | valdyn | lord_rob: for more advanced scanning you can use kismet, but you need to configure that first too |
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| 09:39.40 | Den | Hi - can anyone see this?? |
| 09:39.53 | valdyn | Den: no |
| 09:40.00 | Den | valdyn: ty |
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| 09:45.13 | lord_rob | valdyn: changing to mode ad-hoc did not allow me to find my neighbor's AP. Couldn't the problem be that we are using the same frequencies ? We are both using WEP open (My AP only accepts a list of MAC addresses, not his) |
| 09:46.07 | xomhau | anyone, if i don't remember password root , what i can do, i using LILO |
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| 09:47.20 | lord_rob | xomhau: I think it is documented in Debian install manual |
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| 09:47.35 | redguy | xomhau: boot from a live cd, chroot to your root partition and change the root's password with passwd |
| 09:48.29 | lord_rob | xomhau: hoping you haven't set a bios password to disallow booting from CD then forgotten it ;) |
| 09:48.32 | xomhau | lord_rob, redguy thank |
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| 09:51.12 | valdyn | lord_rob: nah, more likely ipw2200 just does not do scanning |
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| 09:52.21 | valdyn | lord_rob: try kismet, it can and will show multiple APs using the same frequ |
| 09:52.44 | lord_rob | ah ok apt-gettting it valdyn |
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| 09:53.37 | valdyn | lord_rob: multiple close wlan ap using the same frequ may reduce your bandwidth though |
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| 09:55.27 | phil0u | Hello |
| 09:55.28 | tarzeau | streuner: fail2ban the moron dude wanted? he got two of it backported. it's just a script |
| 09:55.51 | Usiu | Is there a temporary fix for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359328 ? |
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| 09:57.08 | C-apple | Is there a working torrent tracker for 3.1r2 CDs (or any Debian distribution for that matter)? The official ones seem to have been down quite a while. |
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| 09:57.46 | phil0u | i was more or less bitten by the Xorg69To7 upgrade, but still, i managed to get a working X back, but i realise xfs-xtt is gone, is that normal/expected ? Using xfstt, i'm able to list truetype font but it look like as if they are not being used (i'm using KDE). Any idea ? thanks |
| 09:57.53 | quitte_ | i want to setup an mta now. unfortunately i have all my mail accounts on different freemail providers. get mail with fetchmail is the right thing to choose. but do i really send via a smarthost? |
| 09:58.01 | valdyn | phil0u: you dont need a fontserver |
| 09:58.07 | Usiu | C-apple, use net install :P its bootable cd is about 200mb :P |
| 09:58.27 | phil0u | valdyn oh, ok ithought , well , it was still hte case |
| 09:59.01 | valdyn | phil0u: i think it didnt really make sense to have one for years |
| 09:59.08 | C-apple | Usio: I was thinking about that. I actually wanted to put it on a DVD full of other stuff for a friend, and wanted the most recent (I have 3.1r1 already). Maybe I will just use netinstall instead. |
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| 09:59.29 | phil0u | valdyn well idon't really mind , as long as i have TT fonts ;) |
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| 10:00.45 | phil0u | valdyn which i don't seem to have any more. Fonts doesn't look the same in many apps since the upgrade : Sylpheed-Claws, Firefox, etc... How's the best/easiest way to make sure my setup is OK regarding TrueType fonts ? |
| 10:01.20 | valdyn | phil0u: apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf, and do what it tells you |
| 10:02.09 | valdyn | phil0u: your font paths have to be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf anyway now since you dont have a font server, but that really only changes the place your configuration is at. |
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| 10:02.39 | Den | Would you know why a touchpad isn't working from this http://pastebin.com/674910 ?? Debian Etch KDE Sony laptop - all works find in Sarge, & Kubuntu. |
| 10:03.56 | phil0u | valdyn ok, thx, i'll have a look right away |
| 10:04.30 | valdyn | phil0u: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig can change font rendering style |
| 10:04.47 | lord_rob | valdyn: I'm using a laptop. Could it be possible to configure my AP to use WPA and still be able to connect to WEP open ap easily when I'm not at home (= without having to modify my config) ? |
| 10:05.13 | valdyn | lord_rob: using which debian release? |
| 10:05.19 | lord_rob | valdyn: sid |
| 10:05.29 | valdyn | lord_rob: gnome-network-manager is neat |
| 10:05.47 | valdyn | lord_rob: invalidates your /etc/network/interfaces, but that is ok for a laptop |
| 10:06.26 | valdyn | lord_rob: actually its called network-manager-gnome |
| 10:06.52 | phil0u | valdyn ok, thx , i'll try that, and reboot X , brb |
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| 10:07.50 | lord_rob | valdyn: ok I'll try that if there's no kde equivalent (I'm using kde). I think kwifimanager can use multiple configs so allow easy switching |
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| 10:09.54 | PhoenixMan | hi. I installed Semba onto my Linux PC so I could connect to it using my Windows PCs to retrieve files and vice-versa. |
| 10:10.11 | PhoenixMan | It's asking me for a username and a password and I fill in my username and password and it doesn't work |
| 10:10.20 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: samba has nothing to do with the 'vice versa' |
| 10:10.30 | PhoenixMan | uh... |
| 10:10.32 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: man smbpasswd |
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| 10:11.48 | liable | anyone know of a way to get around a stupid web site that wants you to install msie to watch a flash video? |
| 10:12.03 | lord_rob | PhoenixMan: do you want easy file sharing between two home pcs ? like anonymous shares in windows xp ? |
| 10:12.04 | valdyn | liable: change your browser id |
| 10:12.13 | PhoenixMan | ya |
| 10:12.19 | liable | valdyn: can you still do that with firefox? |
| 10:12.21 | PhoenixMan | the machines are locally connected by a router |
| 10:12.24 | valdyn | liable: yea |
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| 10:12.32 | coywolf | help |
| 10:12.32 | valdyn | liable: at about:config |
| 10:12.40 | coywolf | vo_mga: Couldn't open /dev/mga_vid |
| 10:12.41 | liable | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 10:12.49 | coywolf | vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! |
| 10:12.51 | PhoenixMan | a password shouldn't be required to access it at all, because the only machines able to enter would be a machine upstairs and a laptop with wireless |
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| 10:13.18 | lord_rob | PhoenixMan: I did never read samba manual (too lazy) but I did set that up easily with kde control center, samba section (gnome should allow that too I sppose) |
| 10:13.20 | AngelGabriel | I'm trying to create a virtual ethernet device, and typing ifconfig eth0:1 seems not to be working |
| 10:13.48 | PhoenixMan | I have KDE |
| 10:13.54 | Braindead | AngelGabriel: aliases on interfaces are deprecated. see iproute (ip addr add FOO .. ) |
| 10:17.18 | lord_rob | PhoenixMan: then try kde control center it's easy ;) |
| 10:17.42 | AngelGabriel | Braindead, they are? aww man - that really sucks, i need extra interfaces that particular network segment |
| 10:17.51 | AngelGabriel | and i have no space in side the server |
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| 10:19.27 | AngelGabriel | BrainDead - is it possible for a NIC to run in promiscous mode, AND normally? |
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| 10:22.33 | quitte | AngelGabriel: what do you mean? the interface still wors fine in promiscous mode. |
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| 10:27.54 | liable | hrm, doesnt work. it says it needs wmp10 too, must be that i guess. |
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| 10:29.24 | blame | VertRefresh 50.0 - 120.0 |
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| 10:34.12 | sanmarcos | where can I find a copy of the latest GPL in my system? |
| 10:35.20 | Dabian | /usr/share/doc/copyright |
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| 10:38.42 | akilani | hello where can i ask an ssh question |
| 10:38.59 | nkuttler | just ask |
| 10:39.10 | akilani | thanks nkuttler |
| 10:39.12 | zenbum | #ssh-questions-answered-here |
| 10:40.15 | akilani | i am trying the usuall ssh without password i followed the procedure of adding keys and putting them in authorized_keys but still prompt for password |
| 10:40.48 | nkuttler | akilani: password or passphrase? |
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| 10:41.12 | bird | hello,who can tell me install KDE need pakages |
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| 10:41.33 | akilani | no i put a blank passphrase but when i try to ssh to the host it prompts for the password |
| 10:41.41 | nkuttler | bird: do you mean how to install kde? |
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| 10:42.02 | nkuttler | akilani: hm, you put the id_*.pub into authorized keys on the remote host? |
| 10:42.05 | bird | nkuttler yes |
| 10:42.13 | nkuttler | bird: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 10:42.25 | akilani | nkuttler: yes i did |
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| 10:42.34 | bird | nkuttler others |
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| 10:43.11 | PhoenixMan | ok |
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| 10:43.19 | PhoenixMan | I got network shares to work on windows machines |
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| 10:43.23 | nkuttler | akilani: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:43.25 | bird | depend on pakage |
| 10:43.28 | PhoenixMan | now how do I view windows shares from the debian machine? |
| 10:43.32 | liable | grr, how can i get the damn video file from a web site that tells me i need msie6 and wmp10? there must be some way to do it. |
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| 10:43.45 | nkuttler | bird: ? |
| 10:43.57 | nkuttler | bird: apt-cache search pattern. apt-get install package |
| 10:44.25 | PhoenixMan | uh |
| 10:44.29 | bird | depend on packages |
| 10:44.49 | PhoenixMan | any way of simply opening up konqueror or something and viewing network shares from windows machines? :D |
| 10:44.50 | nkuttler | liable: hm, look at the source of the site? you can set the agent string with wget |
| 10:44.57 | liable | akilani: ChallengeResposeAuthentication No |
| 10:45.09 | liable | nkuttler: yeah tried doing that with firefox |
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| 10:45.28 | bird | i do apt-get install kde,but it not working |
| 10:45.50 | bird | nkuttler i do apt-get install kde,but it not working |
| 10:45.53 | nkuttler | bird: why not? paste the error, /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:46.10 | akilani | liable: it is set properly "ChallengeResposeAuthentication No" |
| 10:46.11 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: try entering smb:// in konqueror |
| 10:46.35 | PhoenixMan | nothing happens |
| 10:46.39 | liable | akilani: did you restart sshd? |
| 10:46.41 | PhoenixMan | it goes back to my home dir |
| 10:46.47 | akilani | nkuttler: the file does not exist /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:47.02 | akilani | liable: yes many times |
| 10:47.03 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: ok, im pretty clueless about conqueror, but im sure there's a way |
| 10:47.14 | liable | akilani: paste the servers config |
| 10:47.20 | liable | akilani: on a paster |
| 10:47.30 | PhoenixMan | I typed smb://pc-jozef (one of the shares) |
| 10:47.35 | PhoenixMan | internal error |
| 10:47.46 | nkuttler | PhoenixMan: i guess you need host+share |
| 10:47.50 | PhoenixMan | ? |
| 10:48.02 | akilani | liable: what is a paster |
| 10:48.08 | liable | akilani: btw, having a key without a passphrase is not very smart |
| 10:48.11 | liable | !paste |
| 10:48.11 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 10:48.31 | nkuttler | PhoenixMan: smb://host/share |
| 10:48.32 | liable | akilani: you can copy the file there, and then tell us the url. |
| 10:48.37 | PhoenixMan | I did |
| 10:48.39 | PhoenixMan | also internal |
| 10:48.41 | akilani | !paste |
| 10:48.42 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 10:48.42 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: the the menu, pick Location -> Open Location |
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| 10:48.51 | akilani | #flood |
| 10:48.58 | PhoenixMan | and then? |
| 10:48.58 | akilani | #flood test |
| 10:49.16 | nkuttler | akilani: /join #flood |
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| 10:49.24 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: use your own brain, dont be so damn lazy, there's only a few buttons |
| 10:49.45 | PhoenixMan | ?? |
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| 10:50.09 | PhoenixMan | Open Location - Konqueror |
| 10:50.10 | nkuttler | PhoenixMan: are you sure samba is configured properly? |
| 10:50.20 | PhoenixMan | I can connect using Windows to Linux fine.. |
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| 10:51.07 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: there's 4 buttons in that Open Location dialog, you guess which to click |
| 10:51.15 | PhoenixMan | the folder one |
| 10:51.17 | PhoenixMan | -_-' |
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| 10:51.27 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: 2 of those are even deactivated |
| 10:51.36 | PhoenixMan | yes... butr which folder? |
| 10:51.48 | PhoenixMan | I'm in my home dir.. |
| 10:51.57 | akilani | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2405. |
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| 10:52.35 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: there's a button 'Network Folders' |
| 10:52.41 | PhoenixMan | there isn't |
| 10:52.53 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: right below Storage Media |
| 10:52.55 | akilani | nkuttler: these are my ssh configurations |
| 10:53.03 | PhoenixMan | "Desktop", "Home Folder", "Floppy", "Devices", "Temporary Files". |
| 10:53.26 | Dabian | Ehehhe? |
| 10:53.26 | sonden | anybody using the amd64 version of debian? |
| 10:53.31 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: ah, you have a different kde than me |
| 10:53.37 | Dabian | sonden : No, but some do. |
| 10:53.42 | PhoenixMan | Dóh. |
| 10:53.43 | Dabian | !tell sonden about anybody |
| 10:54.00 | nkuttler | akilani: where did you get that config from? why did you change the default? |
| 10:54.03 | valdyn | PhoenixMan: try just 'smb:/' |
| 10:54.05 | bird | nkuttler kde can runing,but desktop not display |
| 10:54.18 | nkuttler | bird: what is your native language? |
| 10:54.18 | PhoenixMan | oh.. |
| 10:54.27 | PhoenixMan | smb:/ works while smb:// doesn't.. why didn't I think of that? <_< |
| 10:54.38 | akilani | nkuttler: no these are the defaults |
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| 10:54.52 | nkuttler | akilani: that doesn't look like debian to me |
| 10:55.05 | bird | chinese |
| 10:55.16 | akilani | nkuttler: no it is'nt |
| 10:55.28 | bird | nkuttler chinese |
| 10:55.33 | nkuttler | bird: did you try the chinese channels? /msg dpkg cn |
| 10:55.34 | PhoenixMan | well |
| 10:55.35 | PhoenixMan | I can't get in |
| 10:55.37 | PhoenixMan | I click it |
| 10:55.43 | PhoenixMan | but nothing happens |
| 10:55.48 | PhoenixMan | I see a blank directory listing |
| 10:55.52 | PhoenixMan | with smb://pc-jozef |
| 10:55.59 | PhoenixMan | smb://pc-jozef/ * |
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| 10:56.22 | bird | nkuttler but i don't known,can you tell me |
| 10:56.37 | nkuttler | !cn |
| 10:56.37 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 10:56.59 | bird | 有è°ä¼šç”¨ä¸æ–‡é©¬ |
| 10:57.03 | bird | 有è°ä¼šç”¨ä¸æ–‡å— |
| 10:57.08 | nkuttler | bird: not here please |
| 10:57.09 | coywolf | vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! |
| 10:57.09 | coywolf | Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
| 10:57.20 | coywolf | bird, ? |
| 10:57.29 | coywolf | 会 |
| 10:57.30 | Dabian | bird: Please behave! |
| 10:57.48 | nkuttler | bird: type /join #debian-zh in this window |
| 10:57.54 | PhoenixMan | holy shit. 4294967295 sub-folders |
| 10:57.55 | coywolf | biovore, æ¤æ„凄凉è°å…±è¯ï¼Ÿå²¸æ²™å›çœ‹åŽ»å¹´ç—•ã€‚ |
| 10:58.13 | Dabian | coywolf : Stop it! |
| 10:58.15 | *** join/#debian akilani (n=chatzill@86.108.98.165) |
| 10:58.40 | Dabian | !tell coywolf about english |
| 10:58.45 | bird | coywolf ä½ èƒ½å¸®åŠ©æˆ‘é©¬ |
| 10:58.55 | coywolf | bird 能 |
| 10:59.11 | bird | join #debian-zh |
| 10:59.20 | akilani | so is there is anybody who can help me with my ssh problem |
| 10:59.20 | Dabian | !ops bird and coywolf keeps writing wierd chars. |
| 10:59.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: bird and coywolf keeps writing wierd chars. |
| 10:59.22 | PhoenixMan | I think my PC is refusing the connection because of an invalid username/password... but how do I input the correct user/pass.. |
| 10:59.43 | coywolf | Dabian, i have explain him |
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| 11:00.52 | akilani | where can i ask an ssh question though |
| 11:00.54 | akilani | ? |
| 11:01.02 | quitte | just ask |
| 11:01.47 | bird | coywolf 我现在装kde,ked能æ£å¸¸å¯åŠ¨,但åªæ˜¯åœåœ¨è·³å•Šè·³å•Šçš„阶段,è¿›ä¸äº†æ¡Œé¢ |
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| 11:02.13 | akilani | quitte:i am trying the usual ssh without password did every thing by the procedure but still prompt for password |
| 11:02.15 | Dabian | Please kick bird! She messes up my screen (and probably others) |
| 11:02.16 | bird | join debian-zh |
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| 11:02.19 | azeem | bird: please write in channel here |
| 11:02.21 | azeem | eh |
| 11:02.25 | azeem | bird: please write in english here |
| 11:02.30 | Dabian | bird: /join #debian-zh |
| 11:02.37 | PhoenixMan | Aha! I've got it! We're using two routers (wireless and wired) and the wired router is broadcasting the IP 10.0.0.8 while the actual IP is differeebnt |
| 11:02.50 | quitte | akilani: man ssh-copy-id |
| 11:02.53 | PhoenixMan | it works now |
| 11:02.54 | zenbum | it's too early in the morning to use english |
| 11:02.54 | PhoenixMan | woo! |
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| 11:03.05 | liable | damn this is annoying |
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| 11:03.28 | Dabian | azeem : I don't think bird understands a word english. |
| 11:03.33 | ddfreyne | Having some issues with loadkeys. When I try loading a keyboard layout, the keyboard gets completely messed up... qwerty becomes yterty and I have two i and two j keys, etc |
| 11:03.37 | azeem | 12:50 < bird> nkuttler but i don't known,can you tell me |
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| 11:03.41 | ddfreyne | Any ideas what may be causing this? |
| 11:03.45 | azeem | 12:48 < bird> nkuttler kde can runing,but desktop not display |
| 11:03.52 | azeem | at least a bit it seems |
| 11:03.54 | Dabian | azeem : Might be scripted .. very common in asia. |
| 11:03.58 | akilani | quitte: there is no ssh-copy-id nor a man page for it |
| 11:04.05 | azeem | and he's now in #debian-zh so yay |
| 11:04.10 | comsa | its only got 38 users. You would think there would be more |
| 11:04.17 | Dabian | azeem : You click some wierd symbol, and it spits out some standard english. |
| 11:04.37 | azeem | Dabian: I like to assume the best in people first |
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| 11:05.02 | Dabian | azeem : English knowledge is better? (:-) |
| 11:05.05 | quitte | akilani: it'S in openssh-client or ssh if you are using an older debian. if you do not use debian please go away |
| 11:05.14 | JHJ | where can i find the event log for Firestarter ? |
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| 11:05.41 | JHJ | evens/active connections for firestarter ? |
| 11:05.46 | azeem | Dabian: I don't understand. Unless people have clearly joined to spam or flood the channel, I assume they need help for Debian, but cannot communicate well enough in english |
| 11:05.58 | azeem | so it is our job to guide them to their local Debian support channel |
| 11:06.11 | Dabian | azeem : ahh .. but of course .. now I understand your point. :) |
| 11:06.27 | akilani | quitte: suppose i am not using debian where can i ask an ssh question |
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| 11:06.37 | Dabian | azeem : I thought you were defending the position that bird was able to understand enlish. :-) |
| 11:06.39 | quitte | akilani: _not_ here |
| 11:07.16 | JHJ | where can i find events/active connections logs for firestarter ? |
| 11:07.17 | akilani | thanks anyway guys you where very helpfull |
| 11:07.20 | azeem | akilani: use your distribution's support channe |
| 11:07.22 | JHJ | anyone ???? |
| 11:07.33 | Dabian | !tell jhj about anyone |
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| 11:07.39 | azeem | JHJ: did you check the documentation? |
| 11:07.43 | azeem | Dabian: he just asked a question |
| 11:07.55 | JHJ | yes |
| 11:07.58 | azeem | JHJ: not many people in here might use firestarter |
| 11:07.59 | JHJ | i read through |
| 11:08.01 | akilani | azeem: no body replies from #redhat |
| 11:08.06 | azeem | akilani: sorry |
| 11:08.13 | quitte | akilani: #fedora or #fedora-core |
| 11:08.16 | JHJ | they didnt mention, i looked cant find it |
| 11:08.25 | Dabian | azeem : Yeah . . the factoide has been ruined. |
| 11:08.33 | Dabian | azeem: Err .. changed! :-) |
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| 11:09.08 | PlutoniumDragon | When doing the base install with the amd64-testing cd I get "failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc". Anyone got any ideas? I've tried etch r2 and the daily installer! I've spent about 8 hours on this now >:-O |
| 11:09.16 | JHJ | so no one knows ? |
| 11:09.30 | azeem | JHJ: logs are usually in /var/log |
| 11:09.35 | azeem | dunno if that is true for firestarter |
| 11:09.44 | azeem | JHJ: also, maybe google know |
| 11:09.45 | azeem | s |
| 11:09.48 | JHJ | this program is buged |
| 11:10.07 | JHJ | i was googling around acnt find a hint |
| 11:10.10 | JHJ | anyone thanks |
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| 11:15.43 | abrotman | !moo |
| 11:15.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 11:20.16 | pavlix | hi |
| 11:21.07 | abrotman | *cricket cricket* |
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| 11:21.45 | comsa | O hi |
| 11:22.05 | abrotman | *cricket cricket* |
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| 11:22.40 | Ronin | now dont you go and jinx it abrotman its nice and quiet :) |
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| 11:23.11 | abrotman | !irritate ronin |
| 11:23.11 | dpkg | ronin: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my kanotix werkz !!!! |
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| 11:24.03 | Ronin | abrotman: i covered the helpdesk phones yesterday, it takes more then that to irritate me heh |
| 11:24.05 | comsa | south park ? |
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| 11:24.48 | abrotman | Ronin: did you get to yell at stupid people? |
| 11:25.00 | quitte | Ronin is it colder at night or outside? |
| 11:25.22 | Ronin | abrotman: no yelling but a whole lot of my shaking my head and going wtf? |
| 11:25.36 | abrotman | Ronin: do you have a bruise on your forehead? |
| 11:25.47 | Dabian | dave2: Hehe :) |
| 11:25.54 | abrotman | Dabian: wrong channel |
| 11:26.02 | Dabian | Ronin : Otherwise abrotman can help you! |
| 11:26.07 | Dabian | Ronin : Otherwise abrotman can help you to one! |
| 11:26.21 | Ronin | abrotman: used to when i first did a helpdesk stint, now im a good govt employee i just cover teh phone when we're shorthanded and i dont care |
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| 11:27.18 | abrotman | Ronin: ah .. so nice of you .. especially on a friday |
| 11:27.56 | abrotman | curling eh? |
| 11:28.08 | abrotman | that's not fair .... my bug is caused by a debian patch! |
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| 11:28.44 | gnufan | !moo2 |
| 11:28.45 | dpkg | i guess moo2 is apt-get install cowsay |
| 11:28.58 | gloin | argh |
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| 11:29.31 | abrotman | Ronin: calm before the storm! |
| 11:29.52 | gloin | anyone here willing to help me understand why :%s/\"\@/\@/g isn't working in vim? |
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| 11:30.02 | Ronin | abrotman: most likely |
| 11:30.19 | abrotman | gloin: because your mom keeps slapping you when you say it? |
| 11:30.21 | gloin | says invalid character after \@ |
| 11:30.35 | gloin | and there =] |
| 11:30.41 | x|e | mmk im trying to install debian on my other system. i want my second hard drive to be strictly for my /home directory. when i go to install bootloader it tells me master boot record is on hdb how can i change that for it to be on hda where my primary hard drive is? |
| 11:30.41 | gloin | anyhow |
| 11:30.52 | abrotman | gloin: do you have to escape @ ? |
| 11:30.59 | gloin | thought I did... |
| 11:31.01 | gloin | hmm |
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| 11:31.16 | abrotman | gloin: i'masking .. i'm not sure |
| 11:31.27 | abrotman | gloin: admittedly ..escaping shouldn't hurt it |
| 11:31.35 | gloin | well |
| 11:31.36 | gloin | heh |
| 11:31.41 | gloin | escaping _did_ hurt it |
| 11:31.42 | gloin | thanks |
| 11:31.46 | abrotman | it did? |
| 11:31.58 | gloin | I stopped escaping the @ and the problem went away |
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| 11:32.08 | abrotman | well .. ok then .. carry on |
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| 11:32.24 | abrotman | and all i got was a kick in the shins |
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| 11:33.08 | LinuxHelp | box:~# ping www.google.com ping: unknown host www.google.com # help? |
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| 11:33.29 | LinuxHelp | ping [ip address of google] does work however |
| 11:33.37 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: host www.google.com |
| 11:33.53 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: do you use DHCP Or static IPs ? |
| 11:34.06 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: -bash: host: command not found |
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| 11:34.23 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: static IP or dhcp ? |
| 11:34.32 | abrotman | gnufan: know |
| 11:34.43 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: I'm not sure, I think its static |
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| 11:34.53 | Niklas_E | how do you get pine with apt-get? |
| 11:34.58 | RvGaTe | Good afternoon all... |
| 11:35.02 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: look in /etc/network/interfaces .. should give you a hint in there |
| 11:35.07 | abrotman | Niklas_E: not officially |
| 11:35.14 | gnufan | abrotman: precisely... "help \@" eek |
| 11:35.19 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: and in /etc/resolv.conf .. any name servers |
| 11:35.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:35.44 | gnufan | !tell Niklas_E about pine |
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| 11:36.32 | abrotman | oh .. i forgot about the source packages |
| 11:36.44 | RvGaTe | What is common backup software, for backupping remote machines, on debian? (not with tapes etc, just storage on the servers harddrive) |
| 11:36.49 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/674979 |
| 11:36.55 | abrotman | oddly ... the last two systems where i use pine are both source based distros |
| 11:37.05 | insane- | RvGaTe rsync |
| 11:37.13 | gnufan | Niklas_E: don't use it -- it isn't free - RMS will dance on your grave -- etc etc |
| 11:37.23 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: this is a server? |
| 11:37.27 | Niklas_E | ok |
| 11:37.32 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: yes |
| 11:37.55 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: uhm .. what's your gateway? |
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| 11:38.13 | gnufan | RvGaTe: I use "rsync" and "tar" -- basic but effective and they do all the right unixlike things -- like report errors when the cron job fails |
| 11:38.17 | RvGaTe | insane-: thx, ill look into it |
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| 11:38.26 | bnbvnb | Hey |
| 11:38.30 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: its not set up properly I know, but its new (as in yesterday) and.. gateway? (its a virtual machine which I pay some guys to host) |
| 11:38.41 | RvGaTe | gnufan: thx for the info |
| 11:38.52 | bnbvnb | was wondering if it was possibly to install debain with only a 32mb flash card |
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| 11:39.10 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: i would guess since you only have one NIC .. that having that IP as your address and your gateway isn't a good idea |
| 11:39.27 | abrotman | bnbvnb: install .. no |
| 11:39.29 | RvGaTe | bnbvnb: use DSL (Damn Small Linux), its based on debian |
| 11:39.45 | RvGaTe | !dsl |
| 11:39.45 | dpkg | dsl is, like, Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 11:39.46 | abrotman | bnbvnb: perhaps get an install down to 32MB maybe ... try DSL or LSF |
| 11:39.56 | abrotman | bnbvnb: or FeatherLinux |
| 11:40.08 | LinuxHelp | dsl rox |
| 11:40.15 | quitte | or wait a few years and use emdebian :p |
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| 11:40.43 | Arafangion | abrotman: Isn't it possible to use the usb card as an installation medium, instead of a floppy drive? |
| 11:40.53 | bnbvnb | supposedly there is a way to install any development through grub on the hard drive buy downloading a release |
| 11:40.58 | abrotman | Arafangion: 32MB? |
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| 11:41.34 | abrotman | unless bnbvnb starts hacking the installer .. i doubt he'll get it to 32MB ... |
| 11:41.37 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: how would that stop me being able to resolve dns's |
| 11:41.42 | LinuxHelp | ? |
| 11:41.43 | Arafangion | abrotman: There exists installation *floppies*. |
| 11:41.49 | abrotman | 1info kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 11:41.53 | abrotman | 1info kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 sarge |
| 11:42.05 | LinuxHelp | 2.4 is actually quite cool, ya know |
| 11:42.16 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: no route .. can you ping the next hop beyond your "gateway" |
| 11:42.22 | bnbvnb | basically what i want to do is dual boot linux and windows but i have no burner and no floppy drive....and no patiance to wait for cd to be shipped |
| 11:42.23 | tsuyoshi | I have a printer that I want to use via usb |
| 11:42.28 | Niklas_E | which email client do you recormend? |
| 11:42.33 | Arafangion | abrotman: Could he make a fat32 partition at the very end of the partition table, download ISO's into that, put something onto his 32MB usb drive, use that to jumpstart the installation using the download ISO's? |
| 11:42.33 | tsuyoshi | it works, except when the printer goes to sleep |
| 11:42.35 | abrotman | bnbvnb: OH .. i misunderstood you |
| 11:42.47 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: what do I type ? :) |
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| 11:42.49 | abrotman | bnbvnb: you want a 32MB installer image |
| 11:43.05 | tsuyoshi | then the usb driver says "usb.c: USB device not responding, giving up (error=-110)" |
| 11:43.12 | LinuxHelp | I do have a program called "route" btw |
| 11:43.17 | tsuyoshi | anyone know what I can do about this? |
| 11:43.17 | PhoenixMan | help. I installed vncserver onto my linux box and ran it as root so someone coudl remote control it on the LAN (so we didn't have to both hog the same PC) |
| 11:43.18 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: telnet 72.14.207.99 80 ... traceroute 72.14.207.99 |
| 11:43.36 | abrotman | bnbvnb: there are the floppy images .. and a few other odd images |
| 11:43.39 | PhoenixMan | but.. it runs GNOME instead of KDE. How do I make it run KDE instead? I already tried changing the xstartup file in /root/.vnc/xstartup but that didn't work |
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| 11:43.50 | Arafangion | abrotman: He has no floppy drive. |
| 11:43.52 | bnbvnb | its actually an 32mb sd card for a camera that i use with a usb card reader |
| 11:44.02 | abrotman | Arafangion: you can put those floppy images on other devices |
| 11:44.10 | bnbvnb | i have no sd drive in the machine |
| 11:44.14 | bnbvnb | only usb |
| 11:44.14 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yes, but don't you have to swap them? |
| 11:44.24 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Does your bios support booting directly to USB? |
| 11:44.27 | abrotman | Arafangion: it would take work on his part |
| 11:44.35 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: TelNet: Connected to 72.14.207.99. |
| 11:44.39 | bnbvnb | oh that varries from machine to machine? |
| 11:44.45 | abrotman | i think there's another image smaller than BC |
| 11:44.53 | bnbvnb | is that based upon what type of processor |
| 11:44.54 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: type GET / |
| 11:45.07 | bnbvnb | i have an ugly 2.1gh celron |
| 11:45.20 | LinuxHelp | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 11:45.31 | Arafangion | Looks like the "businesscard images" are small enough - just. |
| 11:45.45 | bnbvnb | have you guys ever heard of instlux.exe |
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| 11:46.22 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: also http://pastebin.com/674995 |
| 11:46.36 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: It's based on the BIOS, not the processor. |
| 11:46.54 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: If you get into the bios, can you get it to boot from USB? |
| 11:47.12 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: add another DNS server in your resolv.conf |
| 11:47.23 | sonden | hello, anybody knows wheather wine under debian amd64 works? |
| 11:47.29 | abrotman | bnbvnb: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta2/images/netboot/ |
| 11:47.33 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: where do I get a list of those ? |
| 11:47.42 | abrotman | bnbvnb: that's for etch .. yo'll have to find the ones for sarge if you want those |
| 11:47.53 | Ronin | *yawn* abrotman did you get LinuxHelp to fix the ip and gateway being the same too? |
| 11:47.56 | tsuyoshi | is it just me or is the bts search down |
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| 11:48.19 | abrotman | bnbvnb: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ .. sarge |
| 11:48.32 | bnbvnb | this is what i was reading |
| 11:48.32 | bnbvnb | http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 11:48.37 | abrotman | Ronin: well .. he can apparently magically traceroute to all kinds of stuff .. figure that out |
| 11:48.46 | abrotman | Ronin: http://pastebin.com/674995 |
| 11:48.50 | Ronin | well thats interesting |
| 11:48.59 | abrotman | Ronin: uh .. yeah :) |
| 11:49.01 | bnbvnb | "Install GNU/Linux without any CD, floppy, USB-key, nor any other removable media" |
| 11:49.15 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: your ISP should give you one |
| 11:49.22 | bnbvnb | ive followed all the steps but it fails after i partition the hard drive |
| 11:49.41 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, okay, I'll email them now |
| 11:49.51 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: you don't know them? |
| 11:49.52 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Did you even touch the windows partition when you did so? |
| 11:49.59 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: i mean the ISP whereever your server is |
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| 11:50.10 | bnbvnb | no |
| 11:50.11 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: does the server have nslookup installed ? |
| 11:50.16 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: well, it makes more sense to email something this |
| 11:50.22 | bnbvnb | i made to new partitions with the free space |
| 11:50.30 | bnbvnb | a 510mb swap partition |
| 11:50.31 | abrotman | Ronin: bring back sense and sensibility! |
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| 11:50.39 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: erm .. ok |
| 11:50.44 | bnbvnb | and the rest was made into what i thought i was installing into |
| 11:50.45 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: -bash: nslookup: command not found |
| 11:50.57 | abrotman | and of course no 'dig' either |
| 11:50.59 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: and they tend too reply to emails in like 30 secs |
| 11:51.11 | abrotman | ok .. then go forit |
| 11:51.11 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Give the business card installer a go. It's easier. |
| 11:51.22 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's > 32MB |
| 11:51.45 | Arafangion | abrotman: The one I saw was 30.9 |
| 11:51.48 | abrotman | there's a miniboot iso |
| 11:51.58 | abrotman | i thought it was 40MB . well .. if it fits .. use it |
| 11:52.09 | Arafangion | abrotman: 30.4MB, actually, according to firefox's downloader. |
| 11:52.13 | abrotman | certainly better than trying a PXEinstall :) |
| 11:52.15 | bnbvnb | one of those tiny devolpments probably wont have a browser packaged in with it will it |
| 11:52.27 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: No, it's an actual debian installer. |
| 11:52.28 | abrotman | a browser? |
| 11:52.39 | bnbvnb | i mean like mozilla |
| 11:52.42 | bnbvnb | or what not |
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| 11:52.44 | bnbvnb | netscape |
| 11:52.48 | abrotman | bnbvnb: after it's done .. you install X and browsers ... this installs a base system |
| 11:52.57 | quitte | dillo might fight those small things |
| 11:52.59 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Most people, once they install linux, throw away the CD's or give them to someone else, or saves it for another computer. |
| 11:53.05 | bnbvnb | but i will have no way to download them |
| 11:53.14 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: I have not touched my debian CD's for nearly 2 years. |
| 11:53.32 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: You do have a network card, and a network cable, right? |
| 11:53.38 | abrotman | bnbvnb: no network card? |
| 11:53.46 | bnbvnb | yeah i do |
| 11:53.53 | abrotman | it doesn't work ? |
| 11:53.55 | elmor | would like some help installing perl, think i have installed the most required packages, but when i access the .pl file from the browser it just shows as plain text (the source) or wants to dl it, what have i missed? |
| 11:53.58 | bnbvnb | i know nothing about linux so bare with me |
| 11:54.11 | abrotman | elmor: that's an apache config issue |
| 11:54.27 | elmor | figured that |
| 11:54.29 | abrotman | Daveman: RAIN! |
| 11:54.33 | bnbvnb | i would just need to know the url and i could download without a browser is that was you are saying? |
| 11:54.42 | elmor | so, which file should i look for? |
| 11:54.49 | abrotman | bnbvnb: should get setup for you when you install |
| 11:54.56 | abrotman | bnbvnb: do you know what kind of NIC it is? |
| 11:55.05 | bnbvnb | nic? |
| 11:55.12 | abrotman | 1nic |
| 11:55.14 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Shorthand for Network Interface Card. |
| 11:55.17 | abrotman | 1nic |
| 11:55.20 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 11:55.21 | Arafangion | !nic |
| 11:55.21 | dpkg | well, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 11:55.26 | azeem | abrotman: third's a charm! |
| 11:55.31 | bnbvnb | im on adsl |
| 11:55.32 | abrotman | !azeem |
| 11:55.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:55.46 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: So, what kind of nic do you have? |
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| 11:55.51 | bnbvnb | it plugs into the way of my apartment from the ethernet port in the back of the machine |
| 11:55.56 | bnbvnb | wall |
| 11:55.58 | abrotman | bnbvnb: no router? |
| 11:55.59 | bnbvnb | i dont know |
| 11:56.00 | quitte | abrotman: next time you go to a gas station take your keyboard with you to apply compressed air on it |
| 11:56.02 | azeem | bnbvnb: what kind of ethernet card do you have? |
| 11:56.17 | bnbvnb | i dont know how would i check that? |
| 11:56.24 | abrotman | quitte: it's a laptop keyboard .. cut me some slack :) |
| 11:56.35 | azeem | bnbvnb: lspci |
| 11:56.43 | Arafangion | azeem: He doesn't have linux installed yet. |
| 11:56.49 | azeem | d'oh |
| 11:56.52 | abrotman | bnbvnb: wait .. you have no other device between you and the wall ? |
| 11:57.13 | bnbvnb | nope |
| 11:57.19 | elmor | in what apache2 configfile do you change how files are handled? |
| 11:57.22 | quitte | abrotman: sorry - i don'T understand "cut me some slack" but i still do that to my laptop |
| 11:57.24 | bnbvnb | im in korea |
| 11:57.30 | abrotman | bnbvnb: you live in an apartment complex? |
| 11:57.34 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: What partition format did you install windows into? |
| 11:57.38 | bnbvnb | yup |
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| 11:57.41 | bnbvnb | c |
| 11:57.46 | bnbvnb | i used have of the space |
| 11:57.51 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: FAT32, or NTFS? |
| 11:57.52 | azeem | bnbvnb: then it's likely regular ethernet with a shard DSL line |
| 11:57.59 | abrotman | quitte: trust me .. it wasn't the problem .. i was hitting the caps lock key above the shift key .. while trying to hit the "1" key |
| 11:58.02 | bnbvnb | already had to install twice today trying to do this |
| 11:58.05 | bnbvnb | ntfs |
| 11:58.09 | quitte | abrotman: hehe |
| 11:58.35 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: If you right-click on "My Computer", and get it to show you the list of hardware you have, does it show you the type of network card you have? |
| 11:58.36 | abrotman | quitte: i don't even have my contacts in yet .. |
| 11:58.56 | abrotman | Arafangion: that procedure isn't the same on all versions of windows |
| 11:59.19 | bnbvnb | its a via pci 10/100mb fast ethernet adapter |
| 11:59.20 | Arafangion | abrotman: The procedure still begins with the right-click on my computer an all versions of windows. |
| 11:59.34 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: What we're trying to determine is the driver it needs. |
| 11:59.40 | abrotman | then click some tab .. find the device manager :) |
| 12:00.04 | abrotman | sounds like a viarhine ? |
| 12:00.24 | bnbvnb | ok yeah im in device manager |
| 12:00.46 | Arafangion | Expand the Network Adapters node. |
| 12:00.51 | bnbvnb | ftnd5.sys |
| 12:00.53 | Arafangion | What do you have? |
| 12:01.04 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: You've jumped too far ahead. |
| 12:01.10 | bnbvnb | ok |
| 12:01.22 | quitte | scsi2:0:0:0: Attempting to queue an ABORT command. any idea what that usually means? |
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| 12:01.44 | abrotman | quitte: what kind of device is it ? |
| 12:01.49 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Mine is a "Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter, Copper RJ-45 |
| 12:01.53 | bnbvnb | <Arafangion> Expand the Network Adapters node. via pci 10/100mb fast ethernet adapter |
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| 12:02.36 | abrotman | viarhine or rtl .. either way .. should work |
| 12:02.39 | quitte | abrotman: a disk |
| 12:02.50 | elmor | which is the main configfile for apache2 where you can handle how files are handled? |
| 12:02.56 | quitte | abrotman: hdd |
| 12:02.58 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Your next hurdle is to check that your bios can boot to your USB disc. |
| 12:03.01 | abrotman | quitte: looks like a SCSI command .. dunno why it would be aborting though |
| 12:03.31 | abrotman | elmor: /etc/apache2/available-sites/default .. or something like that |
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| 12:03.47 | elmor | ok, will look there |
| 12:03.51 | quitte | abrotman: propably some problem with bus termination or something. unfortunately im not sure which of the last two busses would be the one making trouble |
| 12:04.04 | bnbvnb | i bought this at this thing here called the yongsan digital complex....so everything is likely "greymarket" fake namebrands ect |
| 12:04.07 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: You have to check in your bios, and you will have to get it to boot to it first. |
| 12:04.15 | elmor | abrotman: not sites-enabled? |
| 12:04.30 | abrotman | elmor: ls -l .. see where it points ? |
| 12:04.46 | bnbvnb | no way to check that without a reboot eh |
| 12:04.50 | PlutoniumDragon | Are there any AMD64 boffins around here? I can't get debootstrap to work using the AMD64 installer netinst CD. |
| 12:04.51 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: All I care about your usb card is that it's (1) Just a cheap old usb card (2) Can fit the iso, (3) Can be booted by your bios. |
| 12:04.55 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: We'll be waiting. |
| 12:05.16 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: tried #debian-amd64 ? |
| 12:05.18 | bnbvnb | ok |
| 12:05.26 | quitte | bah. now i removed the disk and the same happened on 1:0:0:0. |
| 12:05.26 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Once you confirm that the bios can boot it, we'll help you put the iso onto the drive. |
| 12:05.45 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: Ah - didn't know it existed... thankyou :P |
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| 12:06.09 | Arafangion | abrotman: To do that, he'd use a dd versino for windows, right? |
| 12:06.14 | coywolf | how to use CAP_SYS_NICE |
| 12:06.15 | abrotman | PlutoniumDragon: just remember .. i'm the mean one! |
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| 12:06.39 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: lol |
| 12:06.47 | PlutoniumDragon | abrotman: OK - I give ;-) |
| 12:07.05 | abrotman | Arafangion: perhaps |
| 12:07.07 | LinuxHelp | Did ya hear about those guys who were trying to "evolve" a dragon's dna? |
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| 12:07.19 | Arafangion | abrotman: Or would rawwrite be better? |
| 12:07.28 | abrotman | i'm not sure if you can rawwrite a .iso |
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| 12:07.51 | Arafangion | abrotman: Why wouldn't you be able to? |
| 12:08.03 | LinuxHelp | They were just simulating it of course, on their pcs, but they ended up with what they thought they might be able to insert into some poor animal |
| 12:08.10 | abrotman | Arafangion: i'm not sure what rawrite does .. i know what dd does |
| 12:08.18 | Arafangion | abrotman: Ok. |
| 12:08.37 | Arafangion | abrotman: I am concerned that a CD iso might not boot from a usb drive, is that possible? |
| 12:08.39 | Diazepam | guys is there any command that will automatically reconfigure your network configuration to default settings that were detected when you first installed debian? (e.g. dpkg-reconfigure somthingXXX0 |
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| 12:09.07 | abrotman | !usb-install |
| 12:09.07 | dpkg | hmm... usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 12:09.12 | LinuxHelp | Does it have to have the XXX0 ? |
| 12:09.17 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's not to install |
| 12:09.21 | Diazepam | lINUXhELP |
| 12:09.25 | Diazepam | No |
| 12:09.30 | LinuxHelp | :p |
| 12:09.49 | Diazepam | i have just tried to add WEP to my wireless connection (easy process) but fucked it completely |
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| 12:10.22 | abrotman | Arafangion: we should experiment with this some day :) |
| 12:10.27 | Diazepam | everything i have tried doesnt seem to work so i though i would go back to default settings (which worked without wep) and try again |
| 12:10.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: He's doing this now! :) |
| 12:10.46 | LinuxHelp | Diazepam, was WEP a package? |
| 12:10.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:10.56 | Diazepam | no |
| 12:11.25 | Diazepam | iwconfig eth1 key XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX |
| 12:11.28 | Arafangion | abrotman: Looks like rawwrite can't do it, if I read between teh lines on teh website, but dd should be able to do it. |
| 12:11.35 | Arafangion | abrotman: Written by the same author, anyway :) |
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| 12:12.02 | Arafangion | abrotman: Unless the usb drive is considered a "block device". |
| 12:12.04 | LinuxHelp | perhaps you want the name of the all encompassing network package, so you can dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 12:12.19 | abrotman | Arafangion: dd it is! |
| 12:12.23 | Diazepam | LinuxHelp - so now your taking the piss? |
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| 12:12.37 | multi_io | is there a way to reinstall all installed packages, even those that are the newest version? |
| 12:12.41 | Arafangion | abrotman: It's more frightening than cdrecord! http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite/dd.htm |
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| 12:12.58 | abrotman | no way! |
| 12:12.59 | azeem | !info etherconf |
| 12:13.01 | Arafangion | abrotman: He may have to type all those characters by _hand_. |
| 12:13.01 | dpkg | etherconf: (debconf interface to Ethernet device configuration), section net, is optional. Version: 1.17-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 12:13.06 | abrotman | !tell multi_io about reinstall |
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| 12:13.14 | azeem | dunno if that helps with WLAN? |
| 12:13.19 | abrotman | Arafangion: not liekly .. others have done it |
| 12:13.42 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: So, what's the verdict? |
| 12:13.56 | bnbvnb | there are 4 usb options |
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| 12:14.05 | bnbvnb | i suppose i could do trial and error |
| 12:14.20 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Ok, in that case, the next challenge is to get the iso onto the usb drive properly. |
| 12:14.25 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Just as a file is not good enough. |
| 12:14.28 | bnbvnb | hdd usb, fdd usb, cdrom usb and one i cant remember |
| 12:14.46 | Arafangion | Ohh, nice, give them a go, first cdrom usb, then fdd usb, then hdd. |
| 12:14.59 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: You will need to install and figure out this program: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite/dd.htm |
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| 12:15.38 | bnbvnb | dear god 9:14pm on a saturday and this is what im doing |
| 12:15.49 | LinuxHelp | is neptune a planet? |
| 12:16.06 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: I would read the instructions carefully, figure out what device your usb card is, and use something like dd if="your business card iso" of="your usb card" |
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| 12:16.57 | tombs | hi all |
| 12:17.20 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Might need a bs=1k as well. |
| 12:17.29 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Heh, some of us like doing it. |
| 12:17.50 | bnbvnb | ive been enjoying messing around with stuff too |
| 12:17.52 | LinuxHelp | tombs, hows the raid going? still 0+1 ? |
| 12:18.09 | tombs | LinuxHelp, what? :/ |
| 12:18.11 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: So long as you only do it a few times it's fun, but it gets old fast :( |
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| 12:18.35 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: I'm doing to do teh dishes, should be back in 10 |
| 12:18.49 | bnbvnb | thanks for all your hew |
| 12:18.52 | LinuxHelp | kwell, no one got that so, byyyyeeeee |
| 12:18.53 | bnbvnb | help so far man |
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| 12:20.38 | bnbvnb | i think this is as good as any way to decide |
| 12:21.16 | bnbvnb | gentalmen, ladies (yeah right) should i leave my apartment right now and go to this show |
| 12:21.19 | bnbvnb | http://www.skunklabel.com/eman.html |
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| 12:21.32 | Arafangion | bnbvnb: Up to you, the computer will still be there when you return. |
| 12:21.37 | bertooo | Hello, I have just installed debian etch with GNOME but I have no sound. I configure alsa with alsaconf without errors, activate sound server into gnome preference but I have no sound. Is there something else to do ? thanks |
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| 12:21.55 | Dabian | bertooo : Congratulations! |
| 12:22.02 | Dabian | bertooo : Yes,. |
| 12:22.43 | bertooo | Dabian, ok I have sound in fact I miss gnome-audio.... |
| 12:22.59 | Dabian | bertooo : Congratulations! :-) |
| 12:23.05 | bertooo | :) |
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| 12:24.20 | elmor | abrotman: Didn't get it to work, now i get an Internal Server Error when trying to execute the .pl file |
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| 12:24.36 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 12:24.53 | pax | anyone knows where /log/boot.. is located? |
| 12:25.01 | Dabian | Does Debian SID support onboard soundcard of the MSI K8N Diamond Plus Motherboard? |
| 12:25.05 | elmor | is it ok to paste 5 rows or should i pm? |
| 12:25.15 | azeem | elmor: use a pastebin |
| 12:25.16 | azeem | !paster |
| 12:25.17 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 12:25.25 | pax | !boot log |
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| 12:26.37 | elmor | ok, here goes: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2406 |
| 12:27.12 | vin` | pax: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 12:27.40 | pax | vin`: thank you! |
| 12:28.18 | maja | how can one find out the exact amount of memory ones graphics card has ? |
| 12:28.29 | js_ | maja: try cat /proc/mtrr |
| 12:28.51 | Dabian | maja : Hi Maja! :-) |
| 12:29.11 | Dabian | maja : If you're configuring X, simply pressing enter will often autodetect it. |
| 12:29.16 | maja | js: tells me in mb i whant in kB |
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| 12:29.27 | maja | yeah even when re configureing ? |
| 12:29.32 | Dabian | maja: Multiply with 1024. |
| 12:29.37 | js_ | maja: *1024 |
| 12:29.46 | Arafangion | maja: You normally don't have to specify it, and I recommend not to. |
| 12:29.46 | Dabian | maja: Yeah, even when re-configuring. :-) |
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| 12:29.52 | maja | ta :) |
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| 12:30.12 | Dabian | maja : NP :-) |
| 12:30.30 | quitte | is there a tool that helps if all positions of a software raid on the busses changed helps reassemble it? |
| 12:30.30 | Trent | ive got a swap parition of 208 meg, when i try to install kanotix i keep getting the message " you need atleast 128 meg for swap! " |
| 12:30.35 | pax | vin`: I made the change to bootlogd, very helpful info. any idea why is not enabled by default? |
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| 12:33.44 | Jmax | hi |
| 12:33.53 | Jmax | does debian not have setlocale? |
| 12:33.55 | abrocadabro | is there a way to prevent people using their own computer as a gateway to provide other computers illegitimate access to a network ? |
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| 12:34.22 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: No. |
| 12:35.07 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: At best, you can make it more frustrating and difficult for legitimate as well as illegitimate use. |
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| 12:35.07 | wireddd | well you could cut there computer off from the network |
| 12:35.08 | Schweppes | hi |
| 12:35.36 | abrocadabro | is there a way to use TTL to filter them out? since they are routed more than they should be |
| 12:36.05 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: What if they're filting them out through shttp? |
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| 12:38.39 | iank | Hey all. Setting up kerberos here.. I can kinit from the client and get a ticket, but when I attempt to login to the client (just via 'login'), I'll get "user not known to the underlying authentication module" |
| 12:38.44 | iank | Pasting my common-auth now |
| 12:38.47 | abrocadabro | Arafangion: what do you mean by that? |
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| 12:39.04 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: Why don't you get first hand experience and learn how they do it? |
| 12:39.10 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: A popular tool is stunnel. |
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| 12:39.21 | iank | http://rafb.net/paste/results/T0uEMM13.html <- /etc/pam.d/common-auth |
| 12:39.35 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: Oops, not stunnel. |
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| 12:40.04 | Jmax | how do i enable unicode for irssi? i'm running xterm with -u8 and this is the output of locale -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/KIcygo17.html |
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| 12:40.29 | abrocadabro | Arafangion: not using a tunnel, I meant for port forwarding |
| 12:40.58 | Arafangion | http://www.http-tunnel.com/html/ |
| 12:41.13 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: What do you have against port forwarding? |
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| 12:42.09 | vin` | pax: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=213028 perhaps |
| 12:42.10 | pipeline | Jmax: It's probably just a fonts issue. Your bitmap fonts don't have what you need to render :P |
| 12:42.27 | Jmax | pipeline: oh, i'm using fixed |
| 12:42.45 | abrocadabro | my question was how to detect and prevent people using port forwarding to gain access to a network, for example, host A legitimately belongs to network B, but C is not, however C can use A as a gateway to access network B. |
| 12:42.47 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: Personally, I would use a network policy. |
| 12:42.48 | pipeline | Jmax: dollars to donuts, it'll work in a terminal using truetype :\ |
| 12:42.59 | iank | mmmmm... doughnuts |
| 12:43.00 | Jmax | pipeline: how can i test? |
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| 12:43.08 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: Well, you simply can't. |
| 12:44.12 | elmor | could someone tell me what to add i /etc/apache2/sites-avaliable/default to enable .pl exectution? |
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| 12:44.34 | abrocadabro | what about the TTL thing? if C is routed through A, then C's TTL visible to network B is less than if it were coming straight from A |
| 12:44.57 | elmor | i want to run .pl files in dir /var/www/wakaba/ |
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| 12:45.09 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: You can either keep them utterly separate, in which case mobile phones with camera's are seen as a security threat, or deal with it rationally, using policies. Once you find a leak, track it down and locate who was responsible for it. |
| 12:45.29 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: If they were actually proxying, the TTL would not matter. |
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| 12:48.14 | pax | vin`: thank you. |
| 12:48.24 | marco13185 | hey |
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| 12:48.35 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: Actually, a solution could be to enforce the notion that all computers can ONLY talk to servers, and do the policy control there. At least, suppose you have a network A, B and C. |
| 12:48.44 | netman1 | [OT] : Recomendations on a good bittorrent site? |
| 12:48.59 | iank | Hey all. Setting up kerberos here.. I can kinit from the client and get a ticket, but when I attempt to login to the client (just via 'login'), I'll get "user not known to the underlying authentication module" |
| 12:49.00 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: They could each have a server, and all communication between A, B, and C must go through servers, or at the least, a very good router. |
| 12:49.06 | iank | http://rafb.net/paste/results/T0uEMM13.html <- /etc/pam.d/common-auth |
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| 12:49.51 | rock8 | good morning |
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| 12:50.36 | marco13185 | I accidentally deleted /usr/bin/X11 (yes, call me a dimwit) trying to fix GDM. Now GDM works, but what are the repurcussions of that |
| 12:51.18 | abrocadabro | Arafangion: I was actually interested in finding out how some ISPs prevent 1 registered user to distribute its Internet to other hosts connected to it |
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| 12:51.34 | Jmax | marco13185: probably nothing |
| 12:51.38 | Jmax | marco13185: on my sys: |
| 12:51.39 | Jmax | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2006-04-18 00:29 /usr/bin/X11 -> ./ |
| 12:51.45 | Jmax | just a symlink |
| 12:51.49 | azeem | marco13185: well, you lost all the applications which might have been in there |
| 12:51.53 | azeem | Jmax: eh, to itself? |
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| 12:51.57 | marco13185 | azeem, ie opera |
| 12:51.57 | froze | Security Issue, running stable it appears that I have a server that has a local root escalation hack. I believe it is this exploit http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0021-uselib.txt Is ther anyone her who is familiar with this exploit and would like to help me analyse it before I rebuild the server? |
| 12:52.09 | Jmax | azeem: no, to the current dir |
| 12:52.10 | marco13185 | azeem, but I already took care of that |
| 12:52.16 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: Via proxies, and zones of control, I would guess. |
| 12:52.18 | azeem | Jmax: the current dir? |
| 12:52.22 | Zweideutig | Is there a problem with Apache 1.3.x on Debian so that PHP doesn't work in HTTPS? |
| 12:52.25 | azeem | current of what? |
| 12:52.27 | Jmax | azeem: yes ./ |
| 12:52.31 | Jmax | azeem: of /usr/bin |
| 12:52.39 | azeem | ah |
| 12:52.49 | Zweideutig | How can PHP work over HTTP, and not HTTPS? I even checked the configs. |
| 12:53.11 | rock8 | I am installing Debian for the first time, and it all seems to have worked quite nicely on a thinkpad 600x, except I seem to have selected the wrong monitor driver -- does anyone know how I can tell what the "right" driver is ??? |
| 12:53.16 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: For example, all internet outbound traffic goes via certain servers, but inbound access is not allowed. They probably employ quite advanced routers, and use a huge amount of statistic analysis to investigate traffic, unusual traffic giving adminsitrators a notice. |
| 12:53.56 | marco13185 | hey, where in gnome are the gdm settings? |
| 12:53.56 | azeem | !drxx |
| 12:53.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 12:53.56 | azeem | rock8: ^^ |
| 12:54.18 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: I don't really know. |
| 12:54.51 | abrocadabro | Arafangion: well, it was not as simple as I thought :) |
| 12:55.03 | Zweideutig | Err, fixed. |
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| 12:55.45 | marco13185 | does anyone know if there is a graphical GDM control panel? |
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| 12:55.57 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: Without statistical anaysis raising red flags, I would suppose that it's impossible. |
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| 12:56.20 | froze | Is there a security channel? As there appears to be a vulnerablility in stable that I would like to discuss. |
| 12:56.22 | Arafangion | abrocadabro: The very notion of being able to get and recieve data to a third-party implies that you can transfer information. |
| 12:56.34 | netman1 | rock8: lspci |
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| 12:57.06 | ledet | marco13185: gdmsetup? |
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| 12:57.24 | marco13185 | doesn't exist |
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| 12:57.47 | azeem | marco13185: sudo gdmconfig |
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| 12:58.02 | marco13185 | azeem, doesn't exist |
| 12:58.10 | rock8 | netman1, is that for all of them ? |
| 12:58.16 | lakez | hey guys, what's the chances of a SATA drive being detected properly in debian ? freebsd 6.0, all drives get set as UDMA33 and if I use the next version .. the pre-release with the new driver.. 1 sata drive doesn't get detected... |
| 12:58.16 | azeem | marco13185: it does |
| 12:58.23 | azeem | marco13185: it's part of the gdm package |
| 12:58.27 | azeem | marco13185: you need to run it as root |
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| 12:58.33 | marco13185 | marco:/home/marco# gdmconfig |
| 12:58.33 | marco13185 | bash: gdmconfig: command not found |
| 12:58.41 | azeem | marco13185: /usr/sbin/gdmconfig |
| 12:59.02 | marco13185 | marco:/home/marco# /usr/sbin/gdmconfig |
| 12:59.02 | marco13185 | bash: /usr/sbin/gdmconfig: No such file or directory |
| 12:59.08 | rock8 | netman1, well, I am rebooting now, so I can try it in a minute |
| 12:59.16 | azeem | marco13185: which version of Debian are you running |
| 12:59.19 | azeem | ? |
| 12:59.26 | marco13185 | unstable |
| 12:59.28 | marco13185 | sid |
| 12:59.53 | marco13185 | azeem, it's fully updated too |
| 12:59.59 | azeem | it's called gdmsetup now |
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| 13:00.12 | marco13185 | azeem, :D |
| 13:00.19 | azeem | 14:51 < ledet> marco13185: gdmsetup? |
| 13:00.33 | marco13185 | btw, does the line stating that I run unstable have to be in apt.conf |
| 13:00.41 | marco13185 | ya it worked |
| 13:00.48 | azeem | which line? |
| 13:00.50 | Arafangion | lakez: Decent. You might have to use etch, though. |
| 13:00.54 | azeem | probably not |
| 13:01.06 | marco13185 | okay, because I have the sources in sources.lst |
| 13:01.18 | lakez | Arafangion, is that a custom app? |
| 13:01.22 | azeem | I don't understand your issue |
| 13:01.40 | lakez | ohh ok |
| 13:01.41 | marco13185 | azeem, the line that says APT::Default-Release "unstable"; |
| 13:01.49 | marco13185 | does that have to be in apt.conf |
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| 13:01.56 | azeem | marco13185: you only need that if you have experimental in your sources.list as well |
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| 13:02.05 | marco13185 | ok |
| 13:02.13 | Arafangion | lakez: Debian comes in three flavours - Stable (Codenamed Sarge), Testing (Codenamed Etch), and Unstable (Codenamed Sid) |
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| 13:02.49 | Arafangion | lakez: Testing will be the next stable, and so on. Unstable is always unstable. |
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| 13:03.03 | lakez | Arafangion, i'd rather stay away from Etch, i guess i'll just have to use UDMA33 .. although the shit is slow for some reason when FTP'n... locally on a GBit network (locally routed) |
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| 13:03.43 | Arafangion | lakez: You could try using Sarge, but if your sata drives don't work, compile and install a new kernel yourself. |
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| 13:04.10 | marco13185 | I have a cs46xx (Santa Cruz) sound card. I get sound from two channels, but how can I "mirror" the front channels to the rear and middle. |
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| 13:04.21 | azeem | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 13:04.22 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 13:04.24 | azeem | lakez: ^^ |
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| 13:04.31 | azeem | lakez: you can try that if regular sarge fails |
| 13:05.04 | lakez | kk thks |
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| 13:07.12 | polopolo | Hello |
| 13:07.15 | arisv | I did a minimal stable installation, then I put some unstable repos into my sources.list in order to do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, now I want to install xserver, which packages I have to install? |
| 13:07.23 | polopolo | Can I install .rpm file's on debian? |
| 13:07.43 | arisv | polopolo: how about alien? |
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| 13:07.57 | polopolo | alien? |
| 13:08.01 | azeem | polopolo: no |
| 13:08.10 | azeem | alien is tool to convert .rpms to .deb |
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| 13:08.15 | arisv | yeap |
| 13:08.17 | azeem | but it is discouraged to use it |
| 13:08.22 | arisv | aha |
| 13:08.27 | azeem | polopolo: try to find a .deb for your package |
| 13:08.27 | arisv | any ideas for me? |
| 13:08.38 | azeem | arisv: apt-get install xorg I think |
| 13:08.51 | Arafangion | azeem: It's discouraged to install rpm files on debian full stop. |
| 13:08.52 | azeem | arisv: of course, unstable might still be highly broken at this time |
| 13:09.01 | azeem | 15:01 < azeem> polopolo: no |
| 13:09.30 | arisv | azeem: so just the xorg packages, is enough? |
| 13:09.30 | Arafangion | azeem: I'll never forget my experiences of not upgrading Sid for 6 months, then upgrading right bang in the middle of the gcc4/qt transition! |
| 13:09.40 | gnufan | froze: there is a security team for Debian -- not sure about other channels. |
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| 13:09.45 | Arafangion | arisv: By default it chooses the most recent. |
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| 13:09.53 | arisv | Arafangion: ok |
| 13:09.56 | gnufan | What makes you think that vulnerability -- code left behinf? |
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| 13:09.59 | azeem | arisv: I think so |
| 13:10.07 | arisv | so apt-get install xorg should install all the apropriate packages. ok |
| 13:10.08 | azeem | arisv: but I'm not sure, things have changed recently |
| 13:10.13 | arisv | ok |
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| 13:10.52 | arisv | Arafangion: which Xorg version do you have now? |
| 13:10.57 | froze | gnufan: what channel are they in? or do |
| 13:11.05 | froze | need to do this via email |
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| 13:11.21 | Arafangion | arisv: I don't run X11 on my debian machines. |
| 13:11.27 | acid-trip | how do i reconfigure Xfree86? |
| 13:11.31 | arisv | Arafangion: ah ok |
| 13:11.44 | arisv | acid-trip: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 13:11.48 | abrotman | !drxx acid-trip |
| 13:11.49 | dpkg | acid-trip: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:12.23 | gnufan | froze: I meant email -- this is Bug 289115 |
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| 13:13.25 | froze | thanx |
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| 13:15.04 | gnufan | froze: hmm the bug report says fixed in 2.6.9 -- doh - that doesn't sound good. |
| 13:15.15 | gnufan | froze how did they get in to exploit this? |
| 13:15.29 | froze | local user account |
| 13:16.00 | PhoenixMan | hi. What is a good pop3/smtp server? |
| 13:16.12 | PhoenixMan | easy to install, controllable via webmin? |
| 13:16.18 | Jmax | grr |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | pop3 is not the same as smtp |
| 13:16.22 | Jmax | is screen unicode? |
| 13:16.30 | PhoenixMan | I know |
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| 13:16.46 | froze | running 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:16.58 | abrotman | -3- is preferred these days |
| 13:17.07 | froze | must have forgot to apgrade the kernel :-/ |
| 13:17.14 | gnufan | PhoenixMan: Unix world tends to sepate the two -- we have rather a lot of POP3 and a lot of SMTP, and a few that do both -- what do you regards as "good", easy to use? secure? featured? Pick any two ;) |
| 13:17.19 | abrotman | check you DSAs |
| 13:17.41 | abrotman | quitte: i think you were right .. i think it is going .. |
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| 13:18.16 | jetscreamer | !sing ' debian is abrotman's life ' |
| 13:18.16 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 13:18.24 | jetscreamer | ah shit |
| 13:18.29 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. my keyboard |
| 13:18.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:18.49 | abrotman | !forget sing ' debian |
| 13:18.50 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot sing ' debian |
| 13:18.51 | jetscreamer | !forget sing ' debian |
| 13:19.07 | jetscreamer | hrrmmph |
| 13:19.08 | Arafangion | abrotman: The world certainly does like features. |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | of my keyboard not working ? |
| 13:19.24 | marco13185 | what's the command to restart the font serv |
| 13:19.30 | abrotman | Arafangion: did that guy get his iso going ? |
| 13:19.42 | gnufan | abrotman: I check the DSA advisories -- it isn't listed -- I think they mean it when they say fixed in 2.6.9 :( |
| 13:19.44 | Arafangion | abrotman: It seems he went out to some event instead. |
| 13:19.55 | abrotman | gnufan: see the kernel-source fix? |
| 13:20.01 | Arafangion | abrotman: In any case, he seems like a bright dude, and he has enough to get him going. |
| 13:20.11 | abrotman | Arafangion: ah .. ok |
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| 13:20.22 | gnufan | abrotman: is that comment or suggestion... ? |
| 13:20.39 | abrotman | gnufan: look for it |
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| 13:21.14 | marco13185 | hey, anyone know how to restart the font serv? |
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| 13:21.25 | FrigidZephyr | I know this is more about KDE than Debian, but I am running KDE on Debian so I figured I would ask here, In KDE, how do I create a link to an application that runs as Super-User ? |
| 13:21.31 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/xfs restart ? |
| 13:21.33 | azeem | marco13185: you run a font server? |
| 13:21.52 | Arafangion | FrigidZephyr: Why would you do such a thing? |
| 13:21.58 | marco13185 | azeem, well, don't you need a font serv to have the fonts work? |
| 13:22.03 | azeem | marco13185: no |
| 13:22.07 | azeem | marco13185: you can also use local fonts |
| 13:22.11 | pingouin | is the .forward file in ~ an obligation to run fetchmail/procmail/muut ? |
| 13:22.14 | azeem | which is the usual way to do it these days |
| 13:22.17 | marco13185 | well, ya |
| 13:22.28 | Arafangion | pingouin: No, forwards are always optional. |
| 13:22.32 | marco13185 | azeem, how would I add ttf fonts to my local fonts |
| 13:22.36 | azeem | dunno |
| 13:22.37 | FrigidZephyr | Arafangion: I want a shortcut on my desktop to run Synaptic package manager, but it can only be run as Super-User, if I try tomake a regular shortcut, it says that command does not exist |
| 13:22.54 | pingouin | Arafangion: ok |
| 13:23.14 | pingouin | some have a good link to set up mail with mutt/fetchmail/procmail please |
| 13:23.29 | Arafangion | FrigidZephyr: Can it be started as a normal user? |
| 13:23.30 | prp | hello, i want to move an old server to an new RAID server, so i tared / in backup.tar and installed Debian with RAID support on 2 new hdd's, now the problem is how do i put all the data in the backup.tar in the new partition ? tried to cp all but it crashed on /lib.. any ideeas ? |
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| 13:24.18 | Arafangion | prp: I personally just copy dpkg --get-selections, and all the data, as well as /home /etc and /var, and possibly /opt. |
| 13:24.19 | FrigidZephyr | Arafangion: I don't think so... I am a n00B though, if I try to run it from a terminal logged in as me, it says it cannot find that command, but if i do a SU first, then i can run it |
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| 13:24.52 | draga | hello. everybody ever used "convertfs"? |
| 13:24.57 | Arafangion | FrigidZephyr: It's probably a PATH issue. |
| 13:25.11 | prp | Arafangion: to late for that... |
| 13:25.13 | FrigidZephyr | Arafangion: in Gnome if I created ashortcut to a command that needed SU to run, then it would just pop up a window asking me for a password to run it as SU |
| 13:25.14 | Arafangion | draga: The odds are overwelminly yes. |
| 13:25.47 | Arafangion | prp: No it's not. Since you did a complete tar, you can still setup a chroot system. |
| 13:25.57 | Arafangion | prp: Inside that chroot, use --get-selections. |
| 13:26.30 | Arafangion | prp: Then copy the data to the relevant locations, plus /etc's. Make sure that the /etc reflects the current RAID setup, though. (And keep a backup!) |
| 13:26.32 | draga | Arafangion: how long should it take? I'm converting from ext3 to xfs a 50 GB partition on a Firewire external lacie disk. I started it 4 hours ago and is Relocating block group at 6067478... |
| 13:26.35 | draga | is it normal? |
| 13:26.56 | Arafangion | draga: I have no idea, but I was saying that someone, somewhere, has definetly used it at least once. |
| 13:27.01 | prp | Arafangion: never created a chroot ... what will the commands be ? |
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| 13:27.14 | draga | Arafangion: :) ok |
| 13:27.15 | Arafangion | prp: chroot /path/to/chroot /bin/bash |
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| 13:27.45 | gnufan | FrigidZephyr: the command is kdesu |
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| 13:28.22 | FrigidZephyr | gnufan: like in the command section of the application link i would put kdesu synaptic ? |
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| 13:28.29 | prp | Arafangion: something like: tar xvf backup.tar ; chroot backup /bin/bash ; should give me a shell in the old system ? |
| 13:28.30 | gnufan | FrigidZephyr: I'm surprised synaptic doesn't have a menu item for it installed anyway |
| 13:28.52 | gnufan | FrigidZephyr: I'm a gnome user these days - man pages have to be good for something ;) |
| 13:29.00 | FrigidZephyr | gnufan: it did on gnome, but i don't see it on kde |
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| 13:29.14 | Arafangion | prp: Do the tar in a temporary directory, and try that. Hopefully, it should work. |
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| 13:29.41 | Arafangion | prp: I just hope that you didn't copy the /dev, /proc, and am wondering why you didn't preserve permissions and ownerships using -p |
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| 13:29.55 | quitte | is someoen experienced with software raid here? i want to reinstall my box on a 5 disk software raid5 but i only have 4 disks here and would like to add the fifth on monday. is that possible? |
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| 13:30.03 | gnufan | abrotman: guess he didn't want to know if the bug was fixed in stable kernel then -- perhaps I should have said 43MB and counting. |
| 13:30.13 | Dabian | I need to find out if sb au. se is supported well under gnu/linux |
| 13:30.19 | prp | Arafangion: i excluded proc and sys and used -p -s is that good ? |
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| 13:30.29 | minerale | Hi, I have a university account and they don't allow me to chsh directly, if I ssh host zsh then I can spawn directly into a zsh shell, but I don't have a tty, is there a way to force a tty ? |
| 13:30.31 | marco13185 | anyone know how to install ttf fonts? |
| 13:30.32 | Dabian | gnufan : Do you know if this is the case? This soundcard is supposed to save some CPU cycle.! |
| 13:30.41 | Arafangion | prp: Yes, though sparse files are extremely problematic. |
| 13:30.45 | Firehand | how can i fix this compile problem: /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libXrender.la: No such file or directory? |
| 13:30.47 | Dabian | s/\./s/ |
| 13:30.58 | Arafangion | prp: And very non-portable. Decompress using -p also. |
| 13:31.06 | Dabian | Firehand : touch /usr/lib/libXrender.la |
| 13:31.12 | quitte | Firehand: you can't at the moment. that file has tomporarily been removed |
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| 13:31.17 | gravity | Ugh... no |
| 13:31.18 | quitte | Dabian: oh that works? |
| 13:31.27 | gravity | quitte: Not temporarily. Permanently |
| 13:31.28 | Dabian | quitte : It ought to ... |
| 13:31.39 | quitte | permanently? why? |
| 13:31.41 | prp | Arafangion: ok, i will try to get an bitchx working from the shell and talk from there.. brb |
| 13:31.45 | Dabian | quitte : It might create a new problem, though. |
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| 13:31.51 | Jake_ | holy crap! theres no default firewalling on this new box |
| 13:31.53 | gnufan | Dabian: don't look at me -- I only know that the sound cards on my boxes are supported - try linuxhardware or similar is probably best bet |
| 13:31.55 | Dabian | quitte : I would check it out hought. |
| 13:32.01 | Dabian | Jake_ : Ehehehehe! ? :-) |
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| 13:32.18 | kspath | Jake_: holy crap! you did not configure one? |
| 13:32.20 | Firehand | how are the rest of the packages in the archive build without libXrender.la then? |
| 13:32.23 | Dabian | gnufan : #linuxhardware? |
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| 13:33.05 | Jake_ | yeah! holy crap i didnt :(!!!! i should probabaly do that... is there a better way than just throwing some iptables commands around? |
| 13:33.11 | Jake_ | by better i mean... more debian way |
| 13:33.17 | cahoot | Dabian: maybe this can be informative: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15748.html |
| 13:33.17 | FrigidZephyr | gnufan: looking at man pages and some web pages about kdesu , it should do what i want, but it acts like its loading then just closes. lol hmm |
| 13:33.19 | kspath | Dabian: though ? |
| 13:33.44 | gnufan | !linuxhardware is http://www.linuxhardware.org/ |
| 13:33.44 | dpkg | gnufan: okay |
| 13:33.52 | gravity | Firehand: The various parts of the archive that need rebuilding are getting it. It's in transition right now |
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| 13:35.00 | Firehand | gravity: uhm well so what to do then? .o |
| 13:35.06 | quitte | gravity: are you sure it's permanent? to me it looks like only the symlink in usr/X11R6 will disappear forever but libXrender.la will reappear in /usr? |
| 13:35.15 | marco13185 | how do I install ttf fonts in debian? |
| 13:35.57 | cahoot | marco13185: you're supposed to make it work simply by putting the fonts in ~/.fonts |
| 13:36.01 | gravity | Firehand: Wait it out |
| 13:36.09 | gravity | quitte: I'm sure |
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| 13:36.23 | gravity | quitte: We have .pc files instead |
| 13:36.41 | quitte | gravity: ah. ok there is the information i was going to ask for. thanks. |
| 13:36.43 | allan | Are there any linux drivers for a wireless LAN USB adapter, based on the RT2500 chips? I Googled "linux wireless driver RT2500 LAN USB" and nothing good came up, and I don't know where else to find them. |
| 13:36.46 | cahoot | marco13185: running fc-cache -fv can't hurt |
| 13:36.58 | marco13185 | cahoot, k |
| 13:37.11 | Arafangion | allan: Good luck. |
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| 13:37.26 | FrigidZephyr | gnufan: i think that kdesu got me on the right track, ill figure it out from there, thanks =] |
| 13:37.27 | marco13185 | ~/.fonts doesn't exist |
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| 13:37.48 | jengelh | allan: rt2400.sf.net or rt2x00.sf.net |
| 13:37.56 | marco13185 | ~/.fonts doesn't exist cahoot |
| 13:38.03 | cahoot | marco13185: mkdir? |
| 13:38.08 | zinx | allan: try just "RT2500 USB linux" |
| 13:38.25 | jengelh | http://heanet.dl.sf.net/sourceforge/rt2400/rt2500-1.1.0-b3.tar.gz |
| 13:38.50 | allan | zinx, jengelh: thanks, they look good |
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| 13:40.09 | cahoot | marco13185: check also that that dir is listed in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf |
| 13:41.21 | allan | thanx, jengelh |
| 13:41.33 | dondelelcaro | gnufan: uh... that's pretty normal. |
| 13:41.44 | liran_ | can i find nvidia drivers for the geforce2 mx400 (old) card in the packages? |
| 13:42.07 | gnufan | dondelelcaro: I thought he was a fixture, like dpkg, and the odd spambot |
| 13:42.08 | marco13185 | all nvidia cards use the same driver |
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| 13:42.32 | zinx | marco13185: that's no longer true |
| 13:42.46 | zinx | marco13185: GeForce 2 and below require older drivers |
| 13:42.56 | zinx | marco13185: (note: not geforce 2 mx; that can use the new ones) |
| 13:43.22 | zinx | liran_: so, you should be able to use the new ones. |
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| 13:43.52 | zinx | liran_: but if for some odd reason you can't, they're "nvidia-glx-legacy" and "nvidia-kernel-legacy-*" |
| 13:44.00 | zinx | liran_: for the old ones |
| 13:44.06 | tperdue | anyone know how to get my debian networking going for a manual IP address? ifconfig eth0 inet up 192.168.1.21 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.1 |
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| 13:44.25 | tperdue | but i keep getting 'network is unreachable' |
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| 13:45.01 | Dabian | kspath : ? |
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| 13:46.02 | marco13185 | cahoot, well, fc-cache found the fonts (all 365), but they still don't show up in the font selector |
| 13:46.13 | loxley_ | tperdue: man interfaces |
| 13:46.35 | quitte | tperdue: if you want to connect to outside the network you are in you have to set a gateway address |
| 13:46.54 | tperdue | ok? |
| 13:47.06 | stray_ | tperdue: uh, broadcast typically ends in 255 too |
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| 13:47.36 | tperdue | intranet1:~# route add default gw 192.168.1.255 |
| 13:47.37 | tperdue | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 13:47.49 | stray_ | uh no. |
| 13:47.50 | quitte | tperdue: what stray_ said |
| 13:47.52 | loxley_ | tperdue: thats a friggin broadcast |
| 13:48.15 | tperdue | so what should I do? |
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| 13:48.45 | liable | set the gateway to the routers address?? |
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| 13:49.00 | Dabian | brb |
| 13:49.11 | quitte | and use broadcast 192.168.1.255 instead |
| 13:49.19 | marco13185 | cahoot, well, fc-cache found the fonts (all 365), but they still don't show up in the font selector |
| 13:49.38 | Diverzant | i'm mounting directory /var/cache/apt with shfs (shell filesystem) and i can read or write to that fs, but when i run apt-get install, it freezes (goes to uninterruptable sleep)...can anyone help? |
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| 13:50.27 | cahoot | marco13185: that's another matter - gnome and kde finds them - no? |
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| 13:50.57 | marco13185 | no |
| 13:51.00 | xomhau | good afternoon all :D |
| 13:51.02 | bertooo | hello, I have just installed debian Etch. how can I watch video with galeon on Internet ? thanks |
| 13:52.52 | marco13185 | cahoot, Gnome's font control panel doesn't find them |
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| 13:53.37 | xomhau | bertooo, mplayer? |
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| 13:54.08 | marco13185 | cahoot, should I list /root/.fonts in my xorg.conf file? |
| 13:54.54 | chiche | hehe |
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| 13:55.12 | bertooo | xomhau, yes I installed mplayerplug-in but there is nothing displayed |
| 13:55.23 | cahoot | marco13185: read this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/04/msg02318.html |
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| 13:56.34 | isotope | hi, what the name of the program which can display mouse co-ordinates in real time? |
| 13:56.54 | isotope | it is xv... |
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| 13:57.24 | azeem | isotope: so that answered your question? |
| 13:57.47 | xomhau | bertooo, give me links for watching , let me try |
| 13:57.49 | isotope | azeem: i need the full name |
| 13:58.00 | azeem | ah, I thought you meant `xv' |
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| 13:58.49 | isotope | azeem: i know it is a X program, i thought it is xv something. |
| 13:59.21 | isotope | no one knows it? |
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| 13:59.39 | mok | hi |
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| 14:01.29 | mok | somthing is wrong with X, at boot kdm dont starts but if i make "startx" gnome starts |
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| 14:02.18 | mok | i made upgrade with apt and since i forced some package to install i have the problem |
| 14:02.41 | mok | what can i do to find the source of the error? |
| 14:03.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell mok -about bat |
| 14:03.21 | dondelelcaro | mok: follow those instructions and give us that information |
| 14:03.32 | xomhau | !tell xomhau -about bat |
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| 14:03.48 | dondelelcaro | xomhau: you can /msg dpkg bat; if you want to know what that factoid says. |
| 14:04.20 | xomhau | dondelelcaro, thank u :D |
| 14:04.23 | mok | omg |
| 14:04.47 | mok | how can i get this stuff here with a broken X on this machine |
| 14:04.48 | mok | ? |
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| 14:05.17 | coywolf | any1 know ep cap_setpcap-ep? |
| 14:05.21 | mok | r there irc-clients for console? |
| 14:05.31 | asg | mok: of course |
| 14:05.36 | mok | eg? |
| 14:05.42 | dondelelcaro | mok: irssi |
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| 14:06.00 | hjb | hi |
| 14:06.01 | dondelelcaro | mok: you can also just redirect to a file, and then use links or one of the command line paste clients to paste the file. |
| 14:06.16 | hjb | I've tried to update from stable to testing |
| 14:06.28 | hjb | and did run into bug #354146 |
| 14:06.49 | hjb | i don't understand how to fix the problem |
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| 14:07.28 | hjb | the bug report says i should install xfree86-common in a pbuilder chroot |
| 14:07.40 | hjb | and then update to testing afterwards |
| 14:07.50 | mok | O.o |
| 14:07.57 | multi_io | when I run "apt-get install libpango1.0-common", it complains: "Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0) but 2.6.3-1 is to be installed". But libglib2.0-0 version 2.6.3-1 is currently installed, but version 2.10.2-1 is on the server. Why doesn't it just install that? |
| 14:08.08 | marco13185 | cahoot, thanks a lot, everything works now :D |
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| 14:08.56 | hjb | how can i do that, now that half of my system is full with testing packages, and the rest won't install or remove because of broken dependencies? |
| 14:09.35 | marco13185 | hjb, I think you want to fix your apt settings (apt.conf and sources.lst) and do "apt-get -f install" to fix dependencies |
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| 14:10.16 | hjb | my sources.list curently contains the testing mirror |
| 14:10.31 | hjb | should i reset this to the "stable" mirror i was using before? |
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| 14:10.43 | hjb | and the rerun apt-get -f install? |
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| 14:13.07 | dondelelcaro | hjb: just give us the full output of the apt-get run; /msg dpkg bat; and follow those instructions. |
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| 14:15.13 | quitte | how much disk space does a debian sid source mirror take? |
| 14:16.02 | asg | quitte: are you mirroring all arches or just one? |
| 14:16.10 | quitte | asg source? |
| 14:16.37 | asg | quitte: my mistake, misread that |
| 14:16.43 | hjb | ok, i will do |
| 14:16.49 | Eulex | quitte, I'd guess at most 15gb or so |
| 14:17.18 | hjb | just on question before: do i have to be in sigle user mode to do the dist-upgrade? |
| 14:17.41 | hjb | this makes it problematic to catch the output and paste it here :-) |
| 14:17.46 | Eulex | hjb, not at all, you can run dist-upgrades anytime |
| 14:17.48 | quitte | hmm. so is 18G enough for the system + mirror if i have home on another disk? |
| 14:18.05 | hjb | Ok, thanks! I'll be back... |
| 14:18.18 | quitte | hmm that's a bad idea anyways. |
| 14:18.27 | Eulex | hjb, even when doing major upgrades you can do it while the system is fully running |
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| 14:18.47 | hjb | great! |
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| 14:19.21 | Eulex | hjb, in some cases, when you're performing libc6 upgrades, you need to restart some system services/daemons, though |
| 14:19.39 | hjb | but i remeber that some package (libc i think) ask me to stop some services before doing the upgrade? |
| 14:19.59 | hjb | oh :-) now you've bben faster then me |
| 14:20.21 | Eulex | hjb, yes, that's exactly what I talked about above. iirc the upgrading script asks you if it should restart them. |
| 14:20.25 | hjb | that was the reason why i switched to single user mode |
| 14:20.29 | Eulex | hjb, hehe :) |
| 14:20.35 | Eulex | *talking |
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| 14:21.07 | Eulex | hjb, if it asks you to restart them manually, you can do it using the scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 14:21.16 | hjb | i'll try my luck again, expect me to bother you again reall soon now (TM) |
| 14:21.56 | coywolf | !find cap_from_text |
| 14:22.04 | hjb | ah, ok |
| 14:22.20 | hjb | just /etc/init.d/particularservice restart? |
| 14:22.29 | Eulex | exactly |
| 14:22.31 | hjb | no reboot r anything? |
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| 14:22.47 | Eulex | hjb, only for kernel upgrades. |
| 14:22.49 | hjb | i think i'm to much the safely kind of person |
| 14:23.32 | Eulex | hjb, and that's only when you update a kernel version that's already installed, not when you install a new kernel version |
| 14:23.41 | hjb | when i install such a big bunch of packages, the restart for the included new kernel should be done immediaztely after it was installed? |
| 14:23.56 | hjb | or is it enough after all the packages are finished installing? |
| 14:24.01 | Eulex | ie only when upgrading a kernel package, not when installing new kernel packages |
| 14:24.18 | Mok__ | complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; <-- whats this or where can i find it? |
| 14:24.28 | Eulex | hjb, restarting after all updates have finished installing is enough. |
| 14:24.48 | hjb | Ok, i think i'm prepared now ;-) thanks you, Eulex |
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| 14:25.07 | Eulex | hjb, in fact, you can continue running, but you won't be able to modprobe any kernel modules before rebooting |
| 14:25.12 | coywolf | what package contains? cap_from_text |
| 14:25.22 | Eulex | hjb, yw :) |
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| 14:27.38 | hjb | Eulex :) |
| 14:27.43 | Mok__ | :( |
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| 14:30.31 | myboxen | gmornin all |
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| 14:31.29 | ACU | good morning - one question if you chose desktop how many CDs you need for Debian Install 3.1 R2 ----- But about Etch Beta 2 ? |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | ACU: none if you download it all .. just the netinst |
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| 14:32.16 | ACU | abrotman - I have to give it to a kid which has no access to internet |
| 14:33.43 | abrotman | ACU: but you're giving him etch ? |
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| 14:35.25 | ACU | well - I tried Etch and does not get X-window installed - so I ended up kiked on a text interface only --- maybe I downloaded the wrong version - I did download with jigdo 3 DVDs |
| 14:35.45 | abrotman | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 14:35.47 | marco13185 | how can I see the device names and mount points of currently mounted devices? |
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| 14:36.27 | mcgreg | marco13185: "mount" ? |
| 14:36.33 | abrotman | ACU: ok .. so do you want to know about etch or sarge? |
| 14:36.49 | ACU | But I would like Etch - as I supose it has more hardware recognition than Sarge ----- what do you think ------------yes I did apt-get install x-window-system then if I reboot it still give me the same messages |
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| 14:37.02 | abrotman | ACU: yeah .. but etch isn't released |
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| 14:37.13 | marco13185 | mcgreg, thanks, lol |
| 14:37.21 | mcgreg | np |
| 14:37.56 | ACU | I know - but Sarge seem so "backward" to forgive my expression - at least from the hardware recognition - plus the kernel is 2.4 |
| 14:38.04 | abrotman | no .. there is a 2.6 available |
| 14:38.14 | asg | ACU: you didn't read the installation manual did you |
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| 14:38.36 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 14:38.36 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 14:38.38 | ACU | asg - to my shame no I did not read the installation manual - what did I missed |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:38.45 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 14:38.48 | asg | ACU: that 2.6 is an option |
| 14:39.01 | streuner | hm |
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| 14:39.10 | PhoenixMan | help, I'm receiving an error |
| 14:39.22 | mok|despaired | plz someone help me.. |
| 14:39.22 | ACU | asg - so I download the Release 2 Sarge and update the kernel afterwards |
| 14:40.06 | asg | ACU: no, you can install it with 2.6 right off the bat |
| 14:40.11 | haitike | someone know why VLC and Kaffeine isn't in the repository until a monthy ago? |
| 14:40.20 | abrotman | in etch? |
| 14:40.36 | ACU | One quick question - so you sugest Sarge R2 to be better than Etch |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | for someone with no internet .. yes |
| 14:40.50 | haitike | in etch |
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| 14:40.55 | ACU | great - this what I wanted to know |
| 14:41.12 | PhoenixMan | my mail server responds 5.1.8 invalid/host-not-in-DNS return address not allowed |
| 14:41.12 | asg | PhoenixMan: are we supposed to magically know what it is or are you going to tell us? |
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| 14:41.54 | PhoenixMan | asg: yes. :) |
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| 14:41.59 | mok|despaired | :( |
| 14:42.01 | abrotman | haitike: i think xine wasn't in etch for a bit |
| 14:42.03 | astronut | is this a good place to get CUPS help? |
| 14:42.03 | PhoenixMan | okokok |
| 14:42.10 | astronut | or would that be OT? |
| 14:42.18 | haitike | abrotman: why? |
| 14:42.20 | abrotman | !tell mok|despaired about ask |
| 14:42.22 | astronut | (yes it's a debian box) |
| 14:42.22 | PhoenixMan | I'm using sendmail for SMTP asnd the DoveCot IMAP/POP3 server for POP3 |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | haitike: because it's debian/testing .... shit breaks .. don't like it .. use stable |
| 14:42.41 | PhoenixMan | I'm locally connected to the box using a router, and I'm trying to test sending an e-mail |
| 14:42.56 | mok|despaired | :( |
| 14:42.59 | PhoenixMan | It seems I can send an e-mail using a webmail method, but I can't send e-mail from my PC which is also on the loical network |
| 14:43.03 | haitike | abrotman: stable is soo stable... |
| 14:43.14 | asg | PhoenixMan: it seems from the error that the envelope sender's domain doesn't have an MX record in DNS. You can probably turn that check off. consult #sendmail for details |
| 14:43.15 | abrotman | mok|despaired: JUST ASK |
| 14:43.22 | mok|despaired | problem: kdm dont start at boottime. what can ido? |
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| 14:43.24 | abrotman | haitike: well .. when stuff breaks .. don't whine |
| 14:43.28 | haitike | I need to play mp4 and I can't with mplayer |
| 14:43.32 | abrotman | mok|despaired: apt-get install kdm |
| 14:43.32 | DarkWingZE | hell abrotman |
| 14:43.39 | ACU | guys I do not know if you noticed but some links are pointing to Sarge 3.1 R1 instead of R2 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 14:43.46 | haitike | I don't konw hot to do it |
| 14:43.54 | DarkWingZE | How do I setup apache to access my user home directory? |
| 14:44.02 | asg | ACU: that's because R2 was just released and updates to all links haven't been fixed yet |
| 14:44.03 | DarkWingZE | I dont want to change document root |
| 14:44.12 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: should already be setup |
| 14:44.19 | DarkWingZE | I know, it is setup |
| 14:44.28 | DarkWingZE | I have not modified anything |
| 14:44.47 | mok|despaired | abrotman: already newest version |
| 14:44.49 | abrotman | haitike: if you can't with mplayer .. you're probably screwed |
| 14:45.03 | DarkWingZE | but the thing is that I can access an index.html file which I have created inside /home/alex/public_html/ |
| 14:45.04 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure kdm ? |
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| 14:45.15 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: errors are useful |
| 14:45.25 | DarkWingZE | it simply says not found |
| 14:45.33 | jonaskoelker | apparently sgt-puzzles 6526 fails to build from source: http://pastebin.com/675169 |
| 14:45.35 | haitike | mplayer: symbol lookup error: mplayer: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen |
| 14:45.39 | abrotman | you're going to http://server/~alex/index.html ? |
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| 14:45.45 | mok|despaired | abrotman: no errors. reboot? |
| 14:45.51 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: file a bug? |
| 14:45.51 | DarkWingZE | wat I type into the webbrowser is this: http://localhost/~alex |
| 14:46.00 | abrotman | mok|despaired: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 14:46.14 | DarkWingZE | let me try that I think I have but just in case:) |
| 14:46.15 | DarkWingZE | brb |
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| 14:46.36 | asg | DarkWingZE: check what /var/log/apache/error.log says also |
| 14:46.36 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: yeah, but I generally come here and annoy everyone first ;) -- seriously, someone might know about this, or be able to say "oh, this is a broken dependency", or "you're a retard, and here's why: ..." |
| 14:46.51 | mok|despaired | abrotman: stopping .. starting .. no errors. nothing happens. |
| 14:46.54 | ACU | asg - it was confusing ---- actually I downloaded the R1 again (so I have 3 copies) --------never mind I will download the release 2 (hopefully correct from ) http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:46.58 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: in sid ? |
| 14:47.06 | DarkWingZE | doh |
| 14:47.11 | abrotman | mok|despaired: anything in the log file ? |
| 14:47.13 | DarkWingZE | I forgot to set the reading permission:P |
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| 14:47.20 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: yeah .. that's important :) |
| 14:47.21 | mok|despaired | abrotman: which? |
| 14:47.25 | DarkWingZE | how do I change that |
| 14:47.28 | DarkWingZE | wat code |
| 14:47.29 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: etch (but the same one is in stable, I guess-- apt-cache show sgt-puzzles only gives one package/version) |
| 14:47.31 | abrotman | mok|despaired: one of the ones in /var/log/ |
| 14:47.31 | DarkWingZE | chmod wat? |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | DarkWingZE: man chmod |
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| 14:47.39 | abrotman | !wud |
| 14:47.40 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 14:47.44 | mok|despaired | abrotman: kdm.log is empty |
| 14:47.47 | DarkWingZE | I knew u would say tath:P |
| 14:47.49 | ACU | OK - is any pdf file with the manual or full documentation of the Debian Sarge and other Linux in general |
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| 14:48.01 | asg | !tell DarkWingZE about permissions |
| 14:48.01 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:48.02 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 14:48.06 | abrotman | !tell acu about grounding |
| 14:48.17 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: anything in the bts? |
| 14:48.28 | Daveman | morning, abrotman :) |
| 14:48.33 | abrotman | Daveman: RAIN! |
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| 14:48.48 | asg | abrotman: it's pissing it down here too |
| 14:48.53 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: nope |
| 14:48.57 | abrotman | asg: i hope my office floods! |
| 14:48.58 | Daveman | abrotman, yeah, I know :\ |
| 14:49.03 | Daveman | abrotman hehe :P |
| 14:49.12 | Daveman | abrotman, wait... you're working... on a saturday? :\ |
| 14:49.18 | asg | abrotman: hopefully your servers are on racks |
| 14:49.26 | PhoenixMan | they're not responding on #sendmail |
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| 14:49.44 | abrotman | asg: some of them .. some of them are towers |
| 14:49.45 | asg | PhoenixMan: give em some time or choose a different MTA. |
| 14:49.55 | abrotman | Daveman: no .. but i hope the office floods :) |
| 14:50.05 | Daveman | :P |
| 14:50.10 | asg | PhoenixMan: Sendmail is not for newbies who don't have a copy of the Bat book. |
| 14:50.10 | Daveman | evil! |
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| 14:50.17 | abrotman | Daveman: my bosses have a fantastic track record of ignoring the things i tell them :) |
| 14:50.19 | ACU | And last question - I did download Etch (3 DVDs) Beta Release and the graphic interface did not come - I did apt-get install x-window- system - something downloaded and installed - if I reboot I still get the same message - how do configure this xorg - I remember before was something like dpkg- configure x86 something |
| 14:50.21 | mok|despaired | abrotman: kdm.log is empty |
| 14:50.27 | Daveman | abrotman, ah ;) |
| 14:50.33 | asg | ACU: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 14:50.42 | Daveman | phenominal. |
| 14:50.43 | grendelson | I've tried everything I can thinkof to stop NVidia drivers form locking up Xorg at 99% after stadnby. I added the no acpi ad apm options to kernel boot, am using the nvidia agp driver, blacklisted the agpgart module (but it is still loading!) Any other ideas? I'm using debian nvidia package. |
| 14:50.50 | abrotman | mok|despaired: what about the others? |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | mok|despaired: did you install x-window-system and kde ? |
| 14:51.10 | gravity | mok|despaired: Is this on unstable? |
| 14:51.22 | abrotman | gravity: run for the hills! |
| 14:51.23 | mok|despaired | abrotman: DRIScreenInit failed. |
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| 14:51.29 | abrotman | i'm shocked! |
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| 14:51.34 | gravity | fixingfixingfixing |
| 14:51.44 | abrotman | gravity: how many bugs are you down to ? 12? |
| 14:51.49 | gravity | 11 |
| 14:51.50 | mok|despaired | gravity: yes |
| 14:51.56 | gravity | hrmpf |
| 14:52.15 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: okay, I'm out reporting a bug. Thanks for not being too hostile :D |
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| 14:52.34 | abrotman | why does everyone think i'm mean and hostile? |
| 14:52.42 | abrotman | WHY?!?! |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | TELL ME! |
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| 14:53.39 | mok|despaired | gravity: hrmpf? |
| 14:54.07 | asg | abrotman: smell of fear? |
| 14:54.12 | Daveman | abrotman :P |
| 14:54.14 | ACU | abrotman - do not worry - even people have bugs - unfotunately are hard wired :) but they are remainded about them so often -- |
| 14:54.17 | abrotman | asg: bugger off! wanker! |
| 14:54.21 | Daveman | :o |
| 14:54.23 | gravity | mok|despaired: Try disabling DRI |
| 14:54.26 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 14:54.34 | asg | abrotman: don't make me call you a soapy titwank |
| 14:54.41 | Daveman | wtf? |
| 14:54.45 | abrotman | asg: i would be insulted if i knew what that was! |
| 14:54.51 | Daveman | heh |
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| 14:55.01 | asg | abrotman: most assuredly |
| 14:55.03 | mok|despaired | gravity: how? |
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| 14:55.47 | gravity | mok|despaired: If you've already edited your xorg.conf, just edit it again and comment out the line to load dri. If not, then run dpkg-reconfigure and tell it not to load that module |
| 14:56.00 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.09 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.15 | mok|despaired | gravity: reconfigure what package? |
| 14:56.28 | asg | !comfort gravity |
| 14:56.29 | dpkg | There, there, gravity. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 14:57.27 | abrotman | i hurt you! |
| 14:57.28 | gravity | mok|despaired: xserver-xorg |
| 14:57.33 | ACU | thanks --- I am going to download Debian Sarge 3.1 R2 and read the manual (reticently) of how to install it with linux kernel 2.6 off the bat |
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| 14:58.15 | abrotman | ACU: good plan |
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| 15:00.05 | myboxen | anyone comfortable with SMTP issues? cant send an email, not sure why. I have checked my config, and it is correct, I am using debian 3.1 etch, I believe exim is installed. The error is |
| 15:00.29 | myboxen | [07:57:07] SMTP< 220 smtp.example.com ESMTP server ready Sat, 22 |
| 15:00.42 | ACU | OK before I go I still want to ask a more stupid question: if for example other distributions such Knopix or Ubuntu - have figured a better way of recognizing the hardware and have easier graphic interface installation - why cannot be implemented in Ubuntu - as long as those distros are GPL ? |
| 15:00.42 | ciphernaut | "failed to find valid ramdisk creators" whilst upgrading a system that has been shelved for about 2 years |
| 15:00.44 | myboxen | [07:57:07] ESMTP> EHLO mydom.com |
| 15:00.54 | myboxen | [07:57:07] ESMTP< 500 Command unknown: 'XXXX' |
| 15:01.02 | ACU | sorry immplemented in Debian |
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| 15:01.32 | valdyn | ACU: who sais that it cannot? |
| 15:01.37 | gravity | ACU: Have they done this? |
| 15:01.38 | ciphernaut | installed yaird cramfs-progs kernel-package etc I am running out of ideas |
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| 15:02.58 | ciphernaut | does anyone know what needs to be done to get 2.6.26-1-686 kernel initrd image setup properly? |
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| 15:03.08 | asg | ciphernaut: time travel |
| 15:03.38 | valdyn | ciphernaut: have you upgraded that system to sarge yet? |
| 15:03.46 | ciphernaut | asg: is just a temporary package discoherence? |
| 15:04.03 | ciphernaut | valdyn: stable: no |
| 15:04.07 | ACU | valdyn and gravity - if you download knopix and stick it in any computer is umbeleivable how easy is recognizing all hardware (and it tells you what you have what assigments you got etc) - I see Debian still laging on that - from my modest experience |
| 15:04.09 | myboxen | ACU: any software to be included in the Debian cdimages or main must meet strict licensing (GPL/GNU) free etc... Ubuntu is not restricted by this. These items can be installed, but will unlikely be included in the distro. An example would be the wireless firmware for the IPW2200, because of intels licensing has to be downloaded manually. |
| 15:04.20 | valdyn | ciphernaut: so do that befoer you even try installing a bleeding edge kernel |
| 15:04.32 | gravity | ACU: What exactly is missing in Debian? |
| 15:04.38 | mok|despaired | i dont understand whats going on here. i restarted and now the kdm.log says something about syslog and the other kdm.log.* didnt change :( |
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| 15:04.53 | gravity | ACU: If you can't define exactly what needs to be fixed, it can't be fixed... |
| 15:04.58 | mok|despaired | and of course kdm is not running |
| 15:04.59 | ciphernaut | valdyn: it may be a bit late for that now |
| 15:05.00 | asg | mok|despaired: what happens if you just type 'X' at a console |
| 15:05.13 | asg | mok|despaired: does X work? Do you get a crosshatched screen and an X cursor? |
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| 15:05.25 | valdyn | ACU: debian does not install alot of software by default, nor unfree things, that is the only real difference |
| 15:05.26 | biffiford | hey all |
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| 15:05.35 | mok|despaired | asg: yes |
| 15:05.49 | asg | mok|despaired: and if you type /etc/init.d/kdm start? |
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| 15:05.54 | zeenix | hi |
| 15:05.58 | marco13185 | anyone here experienced with ipods and debian? |
| 15:05.59 | kronos | hi debian friends |
| 15:06.03 | kronos | ineed to know |
| 15:06.14 | biffiford | is debian testing having a few problems? I'm having some conflicting package problems |
| 15:06.15 | kronos | how is the irc of 64 bits |
| 15:06.17 | mok|despaired | asg: how i get out of that X-thing? |
| 15:06.17 | valdyn | ciphernaut: why? did you remove the functional kernel? |
| 15:06.24 | asg | mok|despaired: CTRL+ALT+BKSP |
| 15:06.29 | gravity | \o/ |
| 15:06.32 | asg | kronos: #debian-amd64 |
| 15:06.37 | gravity | Ok, not my breakage really |
| 15:06.39 | gravity | mok|despaired: Check the wiki page linked above |
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| 15:07.01 | stew | sweet: http://incoming.debian.org/ivman_0.6.10-1_i386.changes |
| 15:07.07 | mok|despaired | asg: kdm already running |
| 15:07.15 | valdyn | ACU: now you bring an example and we tell you why that is so |
| 15:07.20 | ciphernaut | valdyn: no i just upgraded some of the core stuff to unstable, including removing hotplug and the like |
| 15:07.25 | asg | stew: congrats |
| 15:07.29 | ciphernaut | and e2fsprogs |
| 15:07.37 | mok|despaired | gravity: wiki link? |
| 15:07.39 | cheal | ACU: which "GPL distros" are you referring to? |
| 15:07.42 | gravity | mok|despaired: /topic |
| 15:07.44 | grendelson | I have an GeForce 6800 GT and runnign xorg (debian testing) with debian nvidia drivers. I get a lockup everytime the pc returns from standby on the monitor, I tried to blacklist the agpgart and use nvidia agp drivers and I blocked power mgt from kernel at boot! ny other ideas? |
| 15:07.45 | asg | mok|despaired: /topic |
| 15:07.45 | ACU | gravity - I think the ease of installation and hardware recognition are the biggest difficulties I face - once again in knopix you can see exactly what is going on - it tells you what VGA card - what IRQ and memory address you have, what Network card etc --- that is extremely helpful - in Debian if you do not know this you are toasted - |
| 15:07.47 | valdyn | !listkeys e2fs |
| 15:07.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'e2fs' by key (13): #debian e2fsprogs ;; _default tune2fs ;; _default e2fsprogs loop ;; _default e2fsprogs ;; mke2fs ;; e2fsprogs loop ;; _default resize2fs ;; _default explore2fs ;; e2fsprogs ;; explore2fs ;; tune2fs ;; #debian e2fsprogs loop ;; #debian explore2fs. |
| 15:07.56 | valdyn | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 15:07.56 | dpkg | hmm... e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:08.00 | stew | asg: thanks |
| 15:08.01 | valdyn | ciphernaut: ^^^ |
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| 15:08.05 | asg | stew: :) |
| 15:08.11 | biffiford | hmm. is there a place where I can see what's going on with MySQL, PHP, etc. in testing? |
| 15:08.13 | gravity | ACU: You have this problem with the sarge installer? |
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| 15:08.32 | NeoZero | hi all! |
| 15:08.41 | cheal | biffiford: what could be going on? |
| 15:08.42 | asg | biffiford: the bts |
| 15:08.42 | valdyn | dpkg, e2fsprogs loop =~ s/debian testing/debian etch or sid/ |
| 15:08.43 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 15:08.53 | gravity | ACU: A lot of work went in to the sarge installer so that it could auto-detect hardware. I know because I helped on it. |
| 15:08.55 | ciphernaut | valdyn: cheers |
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| 15:09.31 | ACU | Yes - I just tried yesterday to install in an Optiplex Dell PIII 1 Ghz Sarge and I just do not see anything on the Monitor - and it will take me three days of hard work to find out why - |
| 15:09.32 | DarkWingZE | I am just wondering why filetype has a permission field which is 10 signs long |
| 15:09.33 | mok|despaired | mok|despaired: the X upgrade fix? |
| 15:09.40 | valdyn | ACU: i dont know why a user should care which interrupt a device uses |
| 15:09.42 | mok|despaired | err |
| 15:09.42 | marco13185 | for some reason, I can mount my ipod and view files, except for the /media/ipod/IPod_Control/iTunes/ dir |
| 15:09.50 | mok|despaired | gravity: the X upgrade fix? |
| 15:09.55 | gravity | mok|despaired: Yes |
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| 15:10.01 | gravity | mok|despaired: It may be your problem |
| 15:10.05 | NeoZero | I can't find the old 'modconf' tool to select which kernel modules use in my debian unstable. Anyone knows another tool? |
| 15:10.13 | gravity | ACU: You don't see anything? You can't get to the console even? |
| 15:10.15 | DarkWingZE | I mean first 3 is the owner, thereafter 3 for the group,there after 3 for all others |
| 15:10.23 | spanglesontoast | how do I find where a program like icecast2 installs to? |
| 15:10.23 | DarkWingZE | which leaves one sign |
| 15:10.26 | allgo | anyone else here who's system was taken out by surprise after last night's dist-upgrade (networking cards gone?) |
| 15:10.27 | valdyn | NeoZero: you normally dont need to manually load modules, what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:10.29 | spanglesontoast | I mean package.... |
| 15:10.32 | myboxen | ACU try using the commands lspci and lsmod |
| 15:10.38 | gnufan | ACU I think you'll find all that is reported when Debian boots -- but I think you are referring to is the start-up of the hotplug software -- this is optional in Debian -- for most hardware you don't need it anyway, and it just slows booting. |
| 15:10.48 | myboxen | ACU in addition you can look in the /proc directory for quite a bit of info. |
| 15:10.50 | ACU | gravity ----Thank you - do not get me wrong - I think is much better than woody - and I understand the effort you guys are doing - It was just a thought - looking at Knopix might help |
| 15:10.52 | mok|despaired | gravity: it says already newest version |
| 15:10.54 | marco13185 | Can anyone explain this: for some reason, I can mount my ipod and view files, except for the /media/ipod/IPod_Control/iTunes/ dir |
| 15:11.12 | biffiford | cheal: PHP and MySQL aren't mixing well. I ask to install php4-common and aptitude wants to remove php4-mysql and phpmyadmin |
| 15:11.13 | NeoZero | valdyn: I want to view a complete list of compiled modules for my debian kernel and select among them |
| 15:11.23 | valdyn | NeoZero: to do what? |
| 15:11.27 | gravity | mok|despaired: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 15:11.35 | gravity | mok|despaired: Go to the bit about kdm |
| 15:11.43 | StriderZ | I'm trying to use module-assistant to build the realtime-lsm kernel module, but it keeps saying Security Capabilities not configured as module. Where do I fix that? (using pre-conf kernel) |
| 15:11.46 | gravity | ACU: I know, but the problem is that we don't know where the actual problem lies |
| 15:11.47 | valdyn | NeoZero: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/ should list modules |
| 15:11.48 | myboxen | ACU: sometimes when I am having trouble I boot to knoppix, and save to a text file the output of the following commands. dmesg lsmod lspci df |
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| 15:12.01 | gravity | ACU: Saying "take it from knoppix" isn't sufficient. We know what they're doing, but it's not good enough |
| 15:12.13 | NeoZero | valdyn: view the available compiled modules for my installed kernel and select (like with modprobe) which to use |
| 15:12.23 | valdyn | NeoZero: TO ACHIEVE WHAT? |
| 15:12.30 | gravity | ACU: So unless you can define the actual problem, it can't be fixed correctly... does that make sense? |
| 15:12.33 | valdyn | NeoZero: it doesnt work taht way, most modules are loaded automatically |
| 15:12.35 | NeoZero | valdyn: ok, let me see that you just say |
| 15:12.36 | draga | hello. In Debian, wanting to load a module always with a particular option (in my example, each time I load "sbp2" I want it with the option "serialize_io=0"), where should I edit? what's the correct file? |
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| 15:12.45 | spanglesontoast | how do I find where a package installed to? |
| 15:12.51 | abrotman | dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 15:12.52 | dpkg | ii <pkg> 1.2-3.1 abrotman's private porn collection |
| 15:12.54 | spanglesontoast | ty |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 15:12.55 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 15:12.56 | cheal | biffiford: php4-mysql shouldn't be already installed if php4-common isn't installed yet? |
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| 15:13.04 | NeoZero | valdyn: do you remenber the old 'modconf' tool? |
| 15:13.13 | valdyn | NeoZero: yes i do |
| 15:13.15 | ACU | gravity - yes it makes most sense thanks |
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| 15:13.23 | gravity | Ok |
| 15:13.30 | biffiford | cheal: well, upgrade php4-common |
| 15:13.34 | NeoZero | valdyn: that's exactly what I want :-P (but maybe is no longer necessary) |
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| 15:13.36 | gravity | ACU: That said, if you can help figure out the bug and submit a patch for it, it'd help quite a bit |
| 15:13.38 | riftman | Errata for etch beta 2: Network and disk devices may change on reboot was correct in build of today? |
| 15:13.47 | gravity | ACU: If your X is the problem, I'd be happy to help direct you |
| 15:13.51 | valdyn | NeoZero: thanks to isa buses being no longer used and hotplug etc, manually loading modules is pointless usually |
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| 15:14.07 | StriderZ | Does module-assistant still work if you built your kernel from scratch? |
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| 15:14.13 | asg | StriderZ: yes |
| 15:14.21 | NeoZero | valdyn: ok, I understand, thanks :-) |
| 15:14.29 | magyar | i am trying to ssh to a host and it takes about five minutes for the pasword to appear |
| 15:14.39 | ACU | thanks gravity - I have to figure that out - is actually at work - and I am going to proceed there soon |
| 15:14.52 | gravity | Cool |
| 15:14.54 | gnufan | ACU: when you say you see nothing, is this the first screen after the "boot" prompt, i.e. after typing "linux"|"expert26" ? |
| 15:15.01 | asg | magyar: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 15:15.12 | DarkWingZE | thank you now it works:) |
| 15:15.15 | Mammut | Hello! Small question: Is it possible (and good) to write in the dhcp.conf a fixed address to a client that is in the range of dhcp Range. |
| 15:15.17 | Shadowcat | !tell ACU about specific |
| 15:15.28 | valdyn | StriderZ: yes |
| 15:15.31 | cheal | biffiford: is php4-mysql up-to-date? |
| 15:15.33 | Dabian | !exactly |
| 15:15.33 | dpkg | dabian: =) |
| 15:15.34 | Shadowcat | Mammut: no, leave it alone |
| 15:15.35 | asg | Mammut: we often use static dhcp addressing for printers |
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| 15:15.45 | magyar | asg: thanks |
| 15:15.55 | spanglesontoast | ty folks |
| 15:15.56 | Shadowcat | or... hmm.. listen to asg instaed |
| 15:15.57 | valdyn | StriderZ: the only prerequisite is that /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build points to a valid source tree / headers tree |
| 15:15.59 | Shadowcat | instead* |
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| 15:16.00 | Mammut | also I have to choose a address out of the dhcp range |
| 15:16.14 | suicida | erm, i have to test something, so please don't hurt if there's an away-message |
| 15:16.18 | biffiford | cheal: no |
| 15:16.31 | cheal | biffiford: what if you upgrade php4-mysql? |
| 15:16.34 | Mammut | asg, THX |
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| 15:16.36 | ACU | gnufan: is after the GRUB loading I choose Debian etc - I think it has to do with Xorg or Xfree configuration - I am going to download Sarge Release 2 and reinstall hopefully it will help |
| 15:16.37 | asg | suicida: why not leave #debian, /join your own channel and test there |
| 15:16.46 | asg | Mammut: you're welcome |
| 15:16.49 | biffiford | cheal: different breakage |
| 15:17.08 | Dabian | asg : Its better if he uses his own irc-server. |
| 15:17.23 | spanglesontoast | hmm is there anything good for streaming an mp3 file like icecast but doesn't take ages to setup |
| 15:17.25 | gnufan | ACU: I doubt r2 will make much difference -- but if you could be precise on when the screen goes blank... does sounds like an X issue |
| 15:17.27 | suicida`afk | asg 'cause i had to test it on the channels i configured for not posting it |
| 15:17.31 | spanglesontoast | and can be written into a shell script? |
| 15:17.40 | suicida`afk | and #debian is one of these |
| 15:17.48 | StriderZ | valdyn: I'm trying to install realtime-lsm with precompiled kernel, but it seems it was compiled into the image itself. Seems odd |
| 15:17.57 | gnufan | Mammut: very normal to hardwire IP addresses in DHCP range to a MAC address, or just comment them out of the range -- depends on the goal |
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| 15:18.01 | NeoZero | valdyn: thanks a lot, I must go :-) |
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| 15:18.06 | riftman | Errata for etch beta 2: Network and disk devices may change on reboot was correct in build of today? |
| 15:18.39 | ACU | Thanks - as I said that system is not with me now - therefore I cannot be more specific - next time I come aroung ---- thank you all guys |
| 15:18.39 | gnufan | Mammut: best usually to hardwire to a mac address, so the printer always gets the same address, but you can change its netmask, network, or default gateway by editing the DHCP settings, and powercycling the printer |
| 15:18.45 | Mammut | gnufan, ok, good idea |
| 15:18.50 | mok|despaired | gravity: changed the line /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc but it still doesnt work |
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| 15:19.11 | gravity | mok|despaired: Hrm... ok... so the X server works fine, but kdm refuses to work |
| 15:19.16 | spanglesontoast | hmm is there anything good for streaming an mp3 file like icecast but doesn't take ages to setup and can be written into a shell script? |
| 15:19.37 | gravity | mok|despaired: And you don't have anything in the logfile? |
| 15:19.53 | Dabian | spanglesontoast : You mean like netcat? |
| 15:20.02 | Mammut | gnufan, so it's no problem to give a fixed address .11 from the for example .10 -. 90 pool? |
| 15:20.14 | spanglesontoast | streaming dabian |
| 15:20.21 | spanglesontoast | like mp3s |
| 15:20.27 | Dabian | !tell spanglesontoast about netcat |
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| 15:20.40 | biffiford | cheal: wants to install parts of php5, downgrade mysql parts of python |
| 15:20.40 | Mammut | gnufan, of course, i hardwire it with the MAC |
| 15:20.43 | mok|despaired | gravity: like i said, only sonthing about that system uses syslog |
| 15:21.06 | spanglesontoast | that isn't streaming for mp3s |
| 15:21.18 | ManPhoenix811 | Uh |
| 15:21.19 | Dabian | spanglesontoast: You wanted to script it, right? |
| 15:21.22 | biffiford | cheal: actually, asking aptitude to upgrade php4-mysql makes it want to remove php4-mysql |
| 15:21.29 | mok|despaired | gravity: i checked it again, still the same |
| 15:21.30 | ManPhoenix811 | My e-mail isn't sending. I send it and everything, but I'm getting an "Operating system error". |
| 15:21.31 | cheal | biffiford: heh |
| 15:21.36 | spanglesontoast | I can already script it |
| 15:21.36 | gnufan | Mammut: we take then out of the pool, and add a "host hostname { hardware ethernet 00:..:..: ...} entry for the device |
| 15:21.45 | spanglesontoast | I just wanted a server than can be run from command line |
| 15:21.47 | cheal | biffiford: sorry but I don't know aptitude |
| 15:21.53 | Mammut | gnufan, OK, thx |
| 15:22.00 | gravity | mok|despaired: Sorry, I missed that |
| 15:22.05 | Dabian | spanglesontoast : while 1 ; cat cool_music.mp3 | nc -l 8070 ; done |
| 15:22.17 | gravity | mok|despaired: I don't know then... I'm sorry. I don't know much about syslog to be honest |
| 15:22.17 | ManPhoenix811 | My e-mail isn't sending. I send it and everything, but I'm getting an "Operating system error". |
| 15:22.17 | gnufan | Mammut: I think dhcpd objects to you allocating hosts out of the pool - but I could be wrong on that |
| 15:22.19 | Eulex | gravity, a minor question/issue: is the absence of a -dbg package for xserver-xorg a mistake? that said, if so, don't put other more important X stuff aside for it, please :) |
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| 15:22.22 | Dabian | spantiga: I am not sure syntax is right .. but something like that. |
| 15:22.37 | valdyn | Dabian: and the while loop is for what? |
| 15:22.47 | valdyn | Dabian: to keep streaming same stuff? |
| 15:22.49 | Dabian | valdyn : When tune is finnished, start over. |
| 15:22.51 | gravity | Eulex: Yes it's a mistake and we need to make it. We also need to make them for the drivers. |
| 15:22.56 | Dabian | valdyn : Yeah. |
| 15:22.58 | spanglesontoast | isn't netcat insecure? |
| 15:23.08 | valdyn | spanglesontoast: no |
| 15:23.10 | Dabian | spanglesontoast: how so? |
| 15:23.17 | asg | spanglesontoast: it can be, it depends on what you send over it |
| 15:23.17 | Eulex | gravity, indeed |
| 15:24.46 | DarkWingZE | I tried setting up php but failed miserably |
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| 15:24.58 | DarkWingZE | isnt it suppose to be as easy to setup as apache? |
| 15:25.07 | DarkWingZE | I just simply apt-get install php3 |
| 15:25.17 | asg | DarkWingZE: yes, install libapache-mod-php4 php4 |
| 15:25.28 | Dabian | spanglesontoast : Test if the line I typed work at all ... I am curious. :) |
| 15:25.32 | DarkWingZE | asg: well I didnt install that version |
| 15:25.34 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 15:25.36 | mok|despaired | gravity: i found something in syslog |
| 15:25.38 | spanglesontoast | don't think so |
| 15:25.39 | asg | DarkWingZE: php3 is really deprecated |
| 15:25.42 | abrotman | !Punish broken websites |
| 15:25.44 | spanglesontoast | -su: syntax error near unexpected token `done' |
| 15:25.52 | gravity | oh fun |
| 15:25.56 | DarkWingZE | but will apache1.3 support it? |
| 15:26.02 | gravity | mok|despaired: What was it? |
| 15:26.02 | asg | DarkWingZE: of course |
| 15:26.08 | mok|despaired | gravity: X server "/usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg" cannot be executed |
| 15:26.12 | gravity | Ah, ok |
| 15:26.15 | DarkWingZE | so wat do I do about my installation of php3? |
| 15:26.21 | asg | DarkWingZE: remove it |
| 15:26.26 | DarkWingZE | manually? |
| 15:26.30 | asg | DarkWingZE: yes |
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| 15:26.39 | Dabian | spanglesontoast : Ahh .. lemme correct! |
| 15:26.39 | DarkWingZE | or apt-get remove pkg? |
| 15:26.48 | asg | DarkWingZE: apt-get remove --purge <pkgs> |
| 15:26.51 | Dabian | spanglesontoast : while 1 ; do cat cool_music.mp3 | nc -l 8070 ; done |
| 15:26.56 | gravity | mok|despaired: What version of x11-common do you have installed? |
| 15:26.59 | DarkWingZE | ok |
| 15:27.04 | DarkWingZE | ist that sufficient? |
| 15:27.14 | asg | DarkWingZE: should be |
| 15:27.26 | DarkWingZE | okay :) |
| 15:27.27 | riftman | ok nobody knows if the bug was correct, so i'm going to trie yesterday night build of netinst r2 beta |
| 15:27.43 | asg | riftman: why not just install sarge and dist-upgrade |
| 15:27.49 | spanglesontoast | sounds good |
| 15:27.53 | biffiford | what's libmysqlclient15off? how is it different from libmysqlclient15? |
| 15:27.55 | spanglesontoast | I'll try it dabian |
| 15:27.59 | Dabian | spanglesontoast : Cool :) |
| 15:27.59 | spanglesontoast | I didn't know that was possible |
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| 15:28.08 | Dabian | spanglesontoast : Neither did I. :-) |
| 15:28.19 | Dabian | spanglesontoast : I just guessed :-) |
| 15:28.23 | riftman | asg, sarge has no problems ? |
| 15:28.24 | mok|despaired | gravity: 7.0.14 |
| 15:28.37 | asg | riftman: no, I run it on over 30 servers and 10 workstations |
| 15:28.42 | gravity | mok|despaired: Is /usr/X11R6/bin a symlink? |
| 15:28.44 | spanglesontoast | oh so it's not possible |
| 15:28.46 | spanglesontoast | ? |
| 15:29.18 | riftman | asg, thanks. downloading sarge :) |
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| 15:30.00 | prp | hello, short story: i have an old system tarrer in backup.tar ; and i just installed debian on a new RAID system; now what |
| 15:30.09 | mok|despaired | gravity: no, but as you said that i remember something strange at my upgrade session yesterday |
| 15:30.17 | gravity | hrmpf |
| 15:30.20 | prp | 's the fastest way to get the files from backup.tar to the new system ? |
| 15:30.26 | suicida | does anybody know weevils away-script for xchat and knows how to teach it to stop changing nicks on specific networks (freenode) |
| 15:30.26 | gravity | mok|despaired: You need to make sure that x11-common completes its installation |
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| 15:30.36 | mok|despaired | gravity: it sait i should move out the bin folder and put it back in later and i did so |
| 15:30.48 | gravity | mok|despaired: What do you have in there now? |
| 15:31.07 | DarkWingZE | what does link really mean? |
| 15:31.12 | mok|despaired | gravity: some fglrx stuff and aticonfig |
| 15:31.17 | gravity | Argh |
| 15:31.23 | DarkWingZE | It has gone from 1 to 80 |
| 15:31.29 | DarkWingZE | ahhh |
| 15:31.31 | mok|despaired | gravity: from a failed ati driver install i think |
| 15:31.31 | DarkWingZE | ehhe |
| 15:31.33 | DarkWingZE | never mind |
| 15:31.38 | DarkWingZE | I looked at the wrong place:P |
| 15:32.01 | gravity | mok|despaired: Yeah, just move that stuff out of the way. Be sure that if you put it back, not to overwrite X or Xorg in the process (or anything else installed to /usr/bin) |
| 15:32.12 | gravity | mok|despaired: If you're not using the fglrx stuff, just delete it |
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| 15:32.19 | gravity | mok|despaired: Deleting it is probably best |
| 15:32.37 | mok|despaired | gravity: deleted |
| 15:33.00 | gravity | mok|despaired: Ok, now install x11-common in full |
| 15:33.10 | gravity | mok|despaired: Is there anything left in /usr/X11R6/bin? |
| 15:33.15 | mok|despaired | no |
| 15:33.33 | ciphernaut | asg:valdyn: thankyou for your help |
| 15:33.38 | gravity | mok|despaired: Ok, cool. Go for it with x11-common. If that install completes successfully (no errors!) you should have a working kdm again |
| 15:33.53 | nse | is there a command to know the amount of data transferred trought the net per seconds of something similar? |
| 15:34.00 | gravity | God, maybe I need to make that warning scream out at you more |
| 15:34.08 | DarkWingZE | why wont php run? |
| 15:34.13 | valdyn | nse: iftop, iptraf |
| 15:34.24 | DarkWingZE | I tried a simply echo cmd embedded inside html |
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| 15:34.33 | DarkWingZE | and tried to launch it, nothing happened |
| 15:34.46 | prp | hello, short story: i have an old system tarrer in backup.tar ; and i just installed debian on a new RAID system; now what is the best method of puting the stuff in backup.tar in the new system ? |
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| 15:34.53 | ACU | gravity mok I despaired - I have the same problem with Etch Beta2 - exactly the same - I think something is wrong with the package |
| 15:35.01 | magyar | i have a wan pppoe interface and two dmz interfaces. i can ping one dmz interface but not the other. why? |
| 15:35.09 | DarkWingZE | like: <?php echo "hello"; ?> |
| 15:35.21 | mok|despaired | gravity: whats the best way for x11-common reinstall? |
| 15:35.38 | DarkWingZE | is there a way of checking wat is installed inside apache? |
| 15:35.50 | gravity | mok|despaired: Just run your normal upgrade command. x11-common didn't finish installing |
| 15:36.21 | mok|despaired | gravity: i did finsh install |
| 15:36.26 | spanglesontoast | doesn't work dabian |
| 15:36.31 | sushimako | when trying a dist-upgrade i get 'Broken packages: ... xserver-xorg ...'. currently installed version is still 6.9. how to upgrade to 7.0? |
| 15:36.35 | mok|despaired | gravity: i think i used used "force-..." |
| 15:36.50 | gravity | mok|despaired: And you didn't think that that would be a bad idea? |
| 15:36.52 | CoolCubix | Please, I'm pretty new with subversion... I've just edited a file and i want to send it now. Could someone help me ? I have some ideas but I'm not really sure they are good... |
| 15:37.02 | sushimako | maybe just waiting for better times? |
| 15:37.04 | mok|despaired | gravity: emmm ... no =/ |
| 15:37.06 | gravity | CoolCubix: google for the svn book |
| 15:37.15 | gravity | CoolCubix: It's very well written |
| 15:37.25 | CoolCubix | hmm okay |
| 15:37.28 | mok|despaired | gravity: was it? |
| 15:37.32 | gravity | mok|despaired: Ok. I'll just come out and say it. Using --force is *stupid*. Really really stupid. Don't do it ever agian. |
| 15:37.46 | gravity | mok|despaired: I've been using unstable straight for 6 years and have never once had to use force. |
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| 15:37.48 | CoolCubix | cause documentation on svn-related websites is not very large... |
| 15:37.56 | gravity | mok|despaired: Anyway, just download the deb and dpkg -i it |
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| 15:39.35 | StyXman | dpkg: tell me about dvd images |
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| 15:41.12 | Eulex | CoolCubix, svn help |
| 15:41.17 | Eulex | CoolCubix, svn help commit |
| 15:41.46 | debfork | CoolCubix: svn help status |
| 15:42.35 | CoolCubix | in fact, there is my problem : |
| 15:42.45 | CoolCubix | i have a command line that i didn't launched yet |
| 15:42.47 | CoolCubix | svn commit -m "Traductions fixing" src/po/.svn/text-base/fr.po.svn-base |
| 15:42.59 | CoolCubix | i don't even know if it's okay |
| 15:43.20 | CoolCubix | then, i want to know if i have some things to do like adding something in the "changelog" file |
| 15:43.31 | nse | valdyn: iftop has a very confusing output, i just can't figure out which is which.. let me try the other program |
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| 15:44.10 | loggygreg | CoolCubix: translation |
| 15:44.17 | CoolCubix | yeah thanks |
| 15:44.26 | CoolCubix | sorry ^^' |
| 15:44.37 | prp | after dpkg --set-selections < file ; what was the command to install the pkgs ? |
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| 15:45.03 | PlutoniumDragon | I'm trying to build something but I get figlet.c:53:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory am I missing a package? What package do I need? |
| 15:45.52 | DarkWingZE | my websever simple doesnt do a parsing of the sample.php |
| 15:46.19 | loggygreg | PlutoniumDragon: libc6-dev |
| 15:46.23 | DarkWingZE | doing a request for sample.php will cause my webbrowser to object, |
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| 15:46.52 | DarkWingZE | It doesnt get parsed and I wonder why |
| 15:47.09 | DarkWingZE | I have put the file into executable mode |
| 15:47.18 | iostream | Hi. When are @reboot jobs run by cron during the startup cycle? When cron is started? Like /etc/rc2.d/S89cron ? |
| 15:47.18 | DarkWingZE | or change its mode even |
| 15:47.33 | DarkWingZE | anyone got an idea? |
| 15:47.45 | PlutoniumDragon | loggygreg: Thanks |
| 15:48.16 | debfork | i'm having problems with kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp...anybody here have had problems with this packet? |
| 15:48.55 | PlutoniumDragon | loggygreg: I dont see a libc6-dev in aptitude |
| 15:48.56 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, you've enabled the php module in apache? |
| 15:49.15 | cheal | debfork: you mean this package? |
| 15:49.28 | DarkWingZE | I have just installed it, |
| 15:49.32 | DarkWingZE | from a package |
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| 15:49.42 | DarkWingZE | apt-get install libphp4 etc |
| 15:49.46 | PlutoniumDragon | loggygreg: Are you sure thats the name of the package? might it be different on amd64? |
| 15:49.47 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, you need to enable it too. |
| 15:49.53 | DarkWingZE | ahh? |
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| 15:49.57 | DarkWingZE | where in? |
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| 15:50.02 | loggygreg | PlutoniumDragon: i don't use aptitude but you can do a 'apt-get install libc6-dev', no I'm sure I use amd64 too |
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| 15:50.13 | DarkWingZE | in htpd.conf? |
| 15:50.14 | Fiskar | hey, does anyone know how to setup a php/mysql server on debian ? |
| 15:50.27 | Fiskar | and make it visible from outside my network |
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| 15:50.53 | cheal | Fiskar: no, but we know how to setup emacs! |
| 15:51.01 | PlutoniumDragon | loggygreg: It says ... Package libc6-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. ... linux-kernel-headers ... that doesn't seem right to me! |
| 15:51.42 | loggygreg | PlutoniumDragon: strange... you run unstable ? |
| 15:51.49 | debfork | cheal: yes, sorry my poor english |
| 15:52.04 | mok|happy | gravity: THX man! |
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| 15:52.06 | mok|happy | :D |
| 15:52.12 | gravity | mok|happy: Good, I'm glad |
| 15:52.14 | mok|happy | it works |
| 15:52.26 | cheal | debfork: look at the BTS |
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| 15:52.45 | gravity | mok|happy: Next time when a package has an error on install, you should probably read the error and fix it |
| 15:52.55 | PlutoniumDragon | loggygreg: testing |
| 15:53.17 | Fiskar | ive done the php/mysql part, now i need to make it accessible from outside my network, anyone know how to do that ? |
| 15:53.17 | mok|happy | gravity: i try to keep that in mind ;) |
| 15:53.58 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, a2enmod php4 |
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| 15:54.00 | loggygreg | PlutoniumDragon: so am I, I don't understand why it's not installable... |
| 15:54.06 | debfork | cheal: another problem i had is that 2.6 smp kernel is not working fine with threads...i tested a threaded program, and it should give me an speedup of almost 2 but gave me 0,5...when i ran it on conectiva 7 it gave me 1,8 |
| 15:54.07 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, (for apache2) |
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| 15:54.34 | cheal | debfork: I have no idea, ask the channel |
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| 15:54.38 | PlutoniumDragon | loggygreg: Could you possibly post your apt.sources on rafb.net/paste for me? Maybe mine is screwed |
| 15:55.29 | loggygreg | PlutoniumDragon: http://pastebin.com/675285 |
| 15:55.36 | PlutoniumDragon | loggygreg: thx |
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| 15:56.29 | iostream | when was R2 released? |
| 15:56.38 | debfork | anyone here running debian on an smp machine?? |
| 15:56.38 | cheal | iostream: see the website |
| 15:56.46 | iostream | cheal: ah, found it :) |
| 15:57.20 | iostream | cheal: I was just confused because DWN said it was still in preparation, but it was released the next day :) |
| 15:57.30 | Nirgal | debfork: yes, what is your question? |
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| 15:59.21 | debfork | Nirgal: i have a PIII dual processor, i had 2.6-686-smp installed. both processors were shown in /proc/cpuinfo and both had work being scheduled for them, and i could see it with top |
| 15:59.55 | debfork | Nirgal: when i ran a threaded program, a image filtering algorithm, the sequential version ran faster than the one using threads.. |
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| 16:00.33 | debfork | Nirgal: and when i run the sequential vs threaded on red hat it gives me an speedup of almost 2 for the threaded version |
| 16:00.54 | loggygreg | PlutoniumDragon: i have tried 'apt-get --reinstall install libc6-dev' but it's not possible you'll have to wait I think |
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| 16:01.16 | superlinux | hello. do you know a good link for pppoe+freeradius setup? |
| 16:01.39 | debfork | Nirgal: i was using linux threads, changed to NPTL and nothing.. and i can't install the 2.4 smp because i get an error from dpkh |
| 16:01.40 | PlutoniumDragon | loggygreg: That just says the same thing :( |
| 16:01.45 | debfork | Nirgal: dpkg* |
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| 16:01.53 | jarjar26 | Hi all |
| 16:02.19 | jarjar26 | Why cron doesn't send email ? Does i need to configure special thing for doing that ? |
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| 16:02.48 | iostream | jarjar26: Does your mailserver work? |
| 16:03.02 | jarjar26 | yes i send email wiht mutt |
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| 16:03.10 | loggygreg | PlutoniumDragon: there are some changes for "amd64 testing" as explained on debian-devel-announce mailing list, so ... |
| 16:03.18 | _Gandalf_ | Hello, i have a problem displaying Arabic characters in CLI (no X), any ideas ? |
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| 16:03.36 | www | hello there |
| 16:03.41 | Nirgal | debfork: I'm using 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 16:03.48 | www | is there so here knowing about LVM N |
| 16:03.49 | www | ? |
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| 16:04.15 | quitte | N? |
| 16:04.25 | www | s/N/? |
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| 16:04.43 | debfork | Nirgal: did you tried to compare sequential apps vc threads ones |
| 16:04.46 | debfork | Nirgal: ? |
| 16:04.52 | quitte | www: yes. lvm is nice and easy to use as long as your filesystem allows easy growing |
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| 16:05.17 | quitte | www: do you have a specific question? |
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| 16:05.33 | debfork | Nirgal: i had 2.6.16 installed |
| 16:05.34 | _Gandalf_ | no one knows what's the problem with fonts and CLI?? i use UTF8, ar_LB UTF-8 added to locale.gen though i don't see them |
| 16:05.38 | _Gandalf_ | y? |
| 16:05.44 | www | i have a little issue with it. I set up partition on LV's and they all reside on one PV. When I try to pvmove it to another PV, it gets stuck. I reboot and then the pvmove goes one with no crash. Why ? |
| 16:06.11 | quitte | www: you cannot setup partitions on a lv |
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| 16:06.31 | Nirgal | debfork: both cpu appears in /proc/cpuinfo. I didn't try mesures, but several processes such as events appears twice in ps aufxw |
| 16:06.33 | www | i have a root, swap and var partition on 3 lv's |
| 16:07.02 | quitte | www: i'd rather say i have root on a lv. just leave the partition out |
| 16:07.15 | www | okay |
| 16:07.29 | quitte | www: are you sure you want to pvmove and not lvmove or vgmove instead? |
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| 16:07.52 | quitte | www: what exactly did you do and want to do? bought a new disk? |
| 16:08.00 | www | yes i would like to empty the PV on which the system reside to change the hardware |
| 16:08.36 | www | maybe pvmove does not like moving the LV on which /root or swap are ? |
| 16:08.38 | quitte | www: i personally would make a new pv and then move the vg and pvremove the old pv. |
| 16:09.02 | quitte | www: no idea. but there you have what i would do ;) |
| 16:09.22 | www | vgmove so ? |
| 16:09.47 | quitte | yes. seems more logical to me. |
| 16:10.11 | quitte | www: this is just guessing - but isn't pvmove to move the pv on the same disk? |
| 16:10.23 | www | there is no vgmove |
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| 16:10.40 | debfork | Nirgal: probably some bug, i didn't try to install less recent versions of 2.6..i installed red hat and got the times, i won't be doing this right now, i'm out of time. but thanks for your help anyway.. |
| 16:10.51 | www | pvmove frees a whole PV and migrates evthg to another PR. it should do the work |
| 16:11.05 | acid-trip | where can i find the codecs for avi? |
| 16:11.07 | Nirgal | debfork: I'm using debian/stable on that server |
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| 16:11.12 | quitte | ok . just looked at the man page |
| 16:11.24 | quitte | www: maybe you just didn'T give it enough time? |
| 16:11.31 | acid-trip | !tell acid-trip w32codecs |
| 16:11.41 | www | and i found a newsgroup with so having the same issue. no answer :( |
| 16:11.54 | www | no, it freezes the whole system |
| 16:11.59 | ZoFreX | I installed the latest version of Debian using the minimal cd + internets onto a 180mhz computer, and it segfaults a lot. The computer itself passed memtest86+ 27 times in a row so it seems pretty stable. Should I be using an older version or something? |
| 16:12.37 | www | i _guess_ it's because i am pvmove'ing the / FS but that's not very clear |
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| 16:13.09 | quitte | www: another thing you could try: add the new disk to the vg - then just pvremove the old one |
| 16:13.30 | www | yes but before pvremove i need to free the used space |
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| 16:13.47 | www | that 's exactly what i am trying to do |
| 16:13.54 | quitte | hmm. doesn'T do that automagically? :( |
| 16:14.16 | www | no :( |
| 16:14.39 | quitte | have you seen the example in the manpage? |
| 16:14.43 | quitte | of pvmove? |
| 16:15.04 | quitte | www: as i understand it that's for cleaning a specific pv for later removal |
| 16:15.14 | riftman | anybody know a nice Benchmark application |
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| 16:15.45 | www | quitte : yes i type this : pvmove -i1 -v path_to_pv |
| 16:15.55 | acid-trip | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 16:15.55 | acid-trip | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.13 | stew | acid-trip: /msg dpkg apt secure ; /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 16:16.17 | quitte | www: and the new pv is part of the same vg? |
| 16:16.22 | www | yep |
| 16:16.40 | quitte | www: sorry cannot help you then |
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| 16:17.04 | www | very interesting is that after the crash, it goes on and finishes, i think it must get stuck after moving some important file or sthg |
| 16:17.12 | www | maybe libs |
| 16:17.13 | quitte | www: please tell me if you found a solution or any other progress. shitse at web dot de |
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| 16:17.28 | tuv | i'm trying to use the nv driver with my GoForce FX Go5200 on my laptop with resolution 1280x800, but getting funny fonts.. kinda blurry.. and so are all sharp edges, like window borders. |
| 16:17.32 | quitte | www: it shouldn't matter as the lv stays the same |
| 16:17.39 | Eulex | riftman, of what? you're cpu? |
| 16:17.43 | Eulex | *your |
| 16:17.43 | www | yes... |
| 16:18.04 | Eulex | tuv, seems like you didn't get 1280x800 then |
| 16:18.08 | www | actually i have already tried it on redhat too, same issue |
| 16:18.09 | riftman | Eulex, cpu mem disk |
| 16:18.17 | tuv | Eulex, yes i do |
| 16:18.30 | quitte | www: mailed lvm upstream? |
| 16:18.44 | www | what s the address ? |
| 16:18.54 | Eulex | tuv, that is, X is using a lower resolution than 1280x800 |
| 16:18.57 | superlinux | hello. do you know a good link for pppoe+freeradius setup? |
| 16:19.03 | Eulex | riftman, for cpu and mem: nbench. disk: hdparm and bonnie++ |
| 16:19.09 | riftman | Eulex, tks |
| 16:19.18 | Eulex | riftman, yw :( |
| 16:19.25 | Eulex | s/(/)/ |
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| 16:19.27 | tuv | Eulex, i have "(--) NV(0): Panel size is 1280 x 800" in my Xorg.log |
| 16:19.27 | Eulex | :) |
| 16:19.54 | quitte | www: #lvm on freenode. ask them |
| 16:19.55 | tuv | Eulex, and "(--) NV(0): Virtual size is 1280x800 (pitch 1280)" |
| 16:20.09 | www | cool |
| 16:20.14 | Eulex | tuv, xdpyinfo |grep dimensions will give the definite answer |
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| 16:20.43 | tuv | Eulex, dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (339x212 millimeters) |
| 16:20.52 | Eulex | tuv, hmm, can't explain it then |
| 16:20.53 | AnisFarhana | hello greetings |
| 16:21.11 | kijjaz | (i´m on kde 3.4) i always have this problem: setting xkb options in KDE Control Modules for my alt+shift to change group doesn´t work, it doesn´t change keyboard layout. i once used KDE but after i configure with grp:alt_shift_toggle in debian´s dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --> the toggling still works. but not after configuring in KDE Control Center. what did i missed? |
| 16:21.12 | DarkWingZE | I cant get that darn php to work |
| 16:21.14 | AnisFarhana | how to convert files in one folder to .tar.gz ? |
| 16:21.15 | Eulex | tuv, sorry |
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| 16:21.24 | DarkWingZE | it says it should be straigth forward, but it aint |
| 16:21.25 | DarkWingZE | :( |
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| 16:21.51 | DarkWingZE | I installed both apache and php from packages |
| 16:21.56 | Eulex | AnisFarhana, tar -cf foo.tar directory; gzip foo.tar |
| 16:22.00 | acid-trip | grr |
| 16:22.02 | acid-trip | stupid keys |
| 16:22.03 | acid-trip | lol |
| 16:22.08 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, apache1 or apache2? |
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| 16:22.15 | DarkWingZE | appach1 |
| 16:22.18 | superlinux | hello. do you know a good link for pppoe+freeradius setup? |
| 16:22.27 | DarkWingZE | apache1 even |
| 16:22.33 | tapas | can i somehow make apt-listbugs report the bugs before downloaing the package files? |
| 16:22.44 | streuner | superlinux: do you know google? |
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| 16:22.57 | phil0u | 'lo |
| 16:22.57 | DarkWingZE | Eulex: and? |
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| 16:22.58 | AnisFarhana | Eulex: thanks...!!! |
| 16:22.59 | tapas | it';s kinda unnerving to d/l 800megs of packages just to find out that i can basically thrown them all way |
| 16:23.07 | superlinux | streuner, do you know shortcuts? |
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| 16:23.32 | DarkWingZE | Eulex: and what do you thin it could be? |
| 16:23.37 | Dabian | !streunersmite superlinux |
| 16:23.55 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, have you got the apache module for php installed? |
| 16:24.01 | DarkWingZE | yes |
| 16:24.13 | DarkWingZE | libapache-mod |
| 16:24.31 | streuner | superlinux: doesn't have freeradius a ML? |
| 16:24.32 | DarkWingZE | http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.debian |
| 16:24.36 | DarkWingZE | I looked at this site |
| 16:25.00 | ZoFreX | should I be running the latest version of Debian on a 180mhz computer or is it too old? |
| 16:25.02 | superlinux | strankan, freeradius has the worst documentation ever made |
| 16:25.24 | streuner | superlinux: http://www.freeradius.org/list/index.html |
| 16:25.30 | DarkWingZE | Eulex: so got any idea? |
| 16:25.32 | quitte | ZoFreX: i would do it |
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| 16:26.02 | ceplma | ZoFreX: it depends on what you want to run on it -- it would be great home server or router or something like that (I had home server running on 130MHz Pentium -- the one with a bug -- and it was totally OK). |
| 16:26.02 | superlinux | it's good and finally they made a howto for tc and tcng after yrs of trouble! |
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| 16:26.20 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, did you scroll down and read the last comment? |
| 16:26.26 | ZoFreX | ceplma, an ircd for a handful of people |
| 16:26.34 | ZoFreX | unfortunately I'm getting segfaults all over the place |
| 16:26.35 | DarkWingZE | about modules |
| 16:26.55 | DarkWingZE | phpmod |
| 16:26.56 | DarkWingZE | even |
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| 16:27.06 | ceplma | I don't have any experience with running IRC server, but I guess it depends on how many is handful ... :-) |
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| 16:27.22 | ceplma | ZoFreX: I guess I would just try it. |
| 16:27.27 | ZoFreX | I have |
| 16:27.29 | ZoFreX | it crashed |
| 16:27.39 | ZoFreX | as in, everything crashed - I was ssh'ing in to apt-get irssi |
| 16:27.49 | DarkWingZE | libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:27.55 | DarkWingZE | that module I have installed |
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| 16:28.19 | DarkWingZE | I created a test.php |
| 16:28.21 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, that is, tried putting LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so into httpd.conf? |
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| 16:28.36 | DarkWingZE | nopes |
| 16:28.42 | DarkWingZE | do I need to do that? |
| 16:28.44 | AnisFarhana | ok one more thing , i copied 1 file using SU , but i want to retrieve that file using normal account , how to change permission on it ? chmod +x <file> ? |
| 16:28.54 | DarkWingZE | isnt that suppose to be done automatically by package installation? |
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| 16:29.53 | hjb | I#ve tried to downgrade my half finished testing installation to stable again |
| 16:30.03 | ZoFreX | ceplma, I'm pretty sure the hardware is stable.. what else could all the segfaults mean? |
| 16:30.22 | hjb | but that produced such a mess, that i've now decided to download the netinstal for testing and directly install that |
| 16:30.33 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, why? oh, and you don't want it to edit your customized httpd.conf, right? |
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| 16:30.52 | Eulex | hjb, indeed, downgrading is not supported |
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| 16:31.29 | hjb | Eulex, nice to hear that |
| 16:31.40 | loggygreg | AnisFarhana: chmod 644 <your file> for a regular file or chmod 755 <your file> if it's an executable one |
| 16:31.52 | AnisFarhana | loggygreg: thanks sir |
| 16:31.52 | hjb | I've tried it the last hour or so :-) |
| 16:32.15 | gribollo | witam czy jest ktos z polski |
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| 16:32.52 | quitte | gribollo: #debian.pl |
| 16:33.07 | gribollo | ok |
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| 16:34.07 | DarkWingZE | anyhow I did not find loadmodule inside httpd.conf |
| 16:34.38 | debfork | clear |
| 16:34.39 | debfork | ls |
| 16:34.41 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, because it's not in there by default and needs to be added? |
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| 16:34.58 | DarkWingZE | well it said it should be automatically configurated |
| 16:35.06 | DarkWingZE | and I assumed that meant it would be ready to run |
| 16:35.31 | DarkWingZE | as I was following thes web tutorial on php installation and they didnt mention anything about loadModule |
| 16:35.37 | DarkWingZE | :( |
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| 16:36.59 | Eulex | DarkWingZE, I have no idea, but obviously there was other people having the same problem as you do. btw, you could ask in #apache. I've never used apache together with php4, only apache2 with php4 so I can't help you that much. |
| 16:37.09 | damosu | jur jur |
| 16:37.17 | damosu | ya tengo el home encriptado |
| 16:37.21 | damosu | y la clave el la memoria usb |
| 16:37.23 | damosu | : |
| 16:37.23 | Eulex | !es |
| 16:37.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:37.25 | damosu | :D |
| 16:37.36 | damosu | xD |
| 16:37.39 | damosu | sorry |
| 16:39.07 | prp | how can i test if a bind configuration works ? |
| 16:39.25 | biffiford | hah, I love that |
| 16:39.26 | biffiford | !de |
| 16:39.26 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 16:39.35 | ttick | can anyone recommend a C pretty-printer that has become a defacto standard in the open-source world? |
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| 16:41.12 | ceplma | ttick: what? :-S |
| 16:41.18 | Eulex | ttick, I doubt there is one; most people format their C manually. but maybe you could try pressing V, then selecting some text and then pressing = in vim. |
| 16:42.08 | ttick | Eulex: hmm, that's for common indentation, right? I'm looking more for spaces between () and {} on the right lines, etc. |
| 16:42.13 | DarkWingZE | where should this be added? |
| 16:42.17 | ceplma | ttick: if you are serious about your question (or sorry, maybe English is your second language), then you can try indent |
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| 16:42.25 | Eulex | ttick, note that there ain't many 'defacto standards' in the open source world. |
| 16:42.36 | ttick | Eulex: the Java community seems to be standardized and have some good pretty-printers through Eclipse. Just wondering if C had something similar. |
| 16:42.38 | ACU | OK I am not smart enough - how to install Debian Sarge Release 2 with Kernel 2.6 right of the bat |
| 16:42.45 | DarkWingZE | Eulex: I am going to add the module |
| 16:42.51 | dvs | ACU: linux26 |
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| 16:43.00 | DarkWingZE | The thing is that I have done the same procedure ages ago with window |
| 16:43.18 | DarkWingZE | then I had to do alot of settings, but at least there was documentation of wat |
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| 16:43.41 | DarkWingZE | anyways... |
| 16:43.54 | Eulex | ttick, no. and btw, far from all java programmers use eclipse. |
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| 16:43.57 | ACU | dvs - what's linux26 |
| 16:44.12 | dvs | ACU: hit F1 at the boot: prompt to find out |
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| 16:45.17 | DarkWingZE | what does modules.conf do? |
| 16:45.29 | dvs | DarkCow: nothing for 2.6 kernels |
| 16:45.37 | dvs | DarkWingZE: : nothing for 2.6 kernels |
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| 16:46.02 | DarkWingZE | it is set in apache httpd.conf |
| 16:46.13 | DarkWingZE | under load modules |
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| 16:47.19 | ttick | Eulex: heh, yeah, I know. I hate it personally. But it does unify the code style. |
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| 16:47.36 | ACU | dvs - how the heck anyone would have thought about pressing F1 and then typing linux26 - I think It should be kind of menu you choose without being hidden - as is critical |
| 16:47.54 | ACU | dvs- Thanks - just now I am reinstalling |
| 16:48.08 | Phated | eh... if you'd read the screen, you'd have seen "Press F1 for more" or something, surely? |
| 16:48.12 | ACU | using 2.6 |
| 16:48.20 | dvs | ACU: Well, the "Hit <F1> for help" would be the big tip-off for me. |
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| 16:48.48 | Phated | Yeah, that. |
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| 16:49.42 | ceplma | ttick: read this http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/I/indent-style.html |
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| 16:50.24 | ACU | dvs: you are right, however I would not know about linux26 - I mean to type it - |
| 16:50.36 | ceplma | ttick: (and I would emphasize the last sentence of the page "Doubtless these issues will continue to be the subject of holy wars.") |
| 16:50.45 | dvs | ACU: If you hit "F3" after that, you would |
| 16:51.15 | ACU | thanks- next time I will be much smarter and happier :) |
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| 16:52.14 | Phated | Of course... if you read the page that you get on F1... you might have. |
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| 16:52.29 | eliteforce | hello, how can i created something like a mailing list? what do i need? |
| 16:52.41 | Mr | noob needs help! Where do I find a list of sources for my source.list? |
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| 16:52.57 | eliteforce | Mr: google them :) |
| 16:53.05 | jetscreamer | !info apt-spy |
| 16:53.07 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 16:54.00 | dvs | Mr: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 16:54.00 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 16:54.01 | jetscreamer | nobody knows |
| 16:54.01 | Dr_TAbAkMeiSTeR | hy |
| 16:54.04 | Mr | Google sources.list will return the locations? Really? Thought I did that and got lots and lots of man pages. I'll try again Thanks! |
| 16:54.10 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 16:54.17 | jetscreamer | you're kidding right |
| 16:54.34 | Nirgal | eliteforce: try mailman package |
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| 16:54.44 | hydride | how do I install start-stop-daemon? |
| 16:54.53 | dvs | hydride: man invoke-rc.d |
| 16:55.05 | dvs | oh install |
| 16:55.08 | dvs | oops |
| 16:55.19 | Romano2K | hi everyone! can anybody tell me if PAM config files need to be reloaded or not? |
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| 16:56.05 | eliteforce | Nirgal: what about smartlist, ecartis? |
| 16:56.12 | Nirgal | hybride: there's a page on debian.org to search a file by name in the packages. You can use apt-file search "yourfile" too |
| 16:56.29 | loggygreg | hydride: it's in the dpkg package : /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 16:57.04 | Nirgal | eliteforce: I tried ecartis, it sucks if you use non-ascii characters (digests bugs). I don't know about smartlist, it may be great :) |
| 16:57.19 | dvs | !find /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 16:57.33 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/sbin/start-stop-daemon' returned no results. |
| 16:58.25 | ceplma | hydride: dpkg -S /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 16:58.31 | hydride | I got it, thaks |
| 16:58.36 | Aghaster | i receive "xmodmap: unable to open display '' " when i try to use xmodmap |
| 16:58.43 | Aghaster | what could possibly cause this? |
| 16:59.03 | Nirgal | Aghaster: DISPLAY env not set ? |
| 16:59.09 | Aghaster | how can i set it? |
| 16:59.12 | hydride | I've installed proftpd to inetd, but it won't start, wheres the log file for it? |
| 16:59.17 | eliteforce | Nirgal: ok i will try smartlist since its small and doesnt depend on python |
| 16:59.19 | Aghaster | and to what should i set it? |
| 16:59.29 | ceplma | you don't -- it should be set correctly by your X (if you are using X on the local computer) |
| 16:59.44 | Aghaster | hum. but obvioulsy it isnt set |
| 16:59.49 | Aghaster | so i need to fix it |
| 17:00.01 | ifvoid | hydride: in /var/log? |
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| 17:00.52 | hydride | ifvoid, can't find it there :/ |
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| 17:02.18 | hedpe | whats a good alternative to kivio? |
| 17:02.30 | hedpe | for diagrams/figures with clipart like graphics |
| 17:02.58 | surge_ | hedpe: dia |
| 17:03.05 | surge_ | nick surge |
| 17:03.07 | surge_ | Oops. |
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| 17:03.10 | hedpe | thanks |
| 17:03.19 | Aghaster | ceplma: what is an example of a correctly set display variable? |
| 17:03.27 | Aghaster | what does that variable usually contains? |
| 17:03.38 | hedpe | the thing that peeves me most about kivio is that it can't round out connectors |
| 17:04.17 | loggygreg | Aghaster: DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 17:04.33 | ACU | I got that when you boot for Sarge R2 press F1 and type linux26 - is so great ----but I notice that still Xfree86 installed - is it possible off the bat to install Xorg ? |
| 17:04.53 | Aghaster | xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' |
| 17:04.53 | ceplma | Aghaster: DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 17:05.14 | Nirgal | Aghaster: it should be set when you open an X terminal. Is X running? |
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| 17:05.26 | da4n1 | what file can i change theme xwindow is using ? |
| 17:05.27 | ceplma | Aghaster: where do you run X and where does xmodmap runs (i.e., is there any ssh involved?) |
| 17:05.29 | Aghaster | well, yes? |
| 17:05.52 | Aghaster | well i'm in gnome atm, so i guess X is running. |
| 17:05.53 | ceplma | Aghaster: sorry, please, no question marks -- is X running? |
| 17:06.10 | ceplma | Aghaster: what is output of set | grep DISPLAY |
| 17:06.29 | Aghaster | DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 17:06.29 | ceplma | Aghaster: (in some other window then where you set it manually) |
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| 17:06.40 | Aghaster | well, thats the last value it set it to |
| 17:06.49 | Aghaster | when i first tried it was set to nothing |
| 17:07.00 | Aghaster | is this value set somewhere in the xorg.conf file? |
| 17:07.02 | ceplma | Aghaster: close the terminal, open it again and then tell me what is the value of DISPLAY |
| 17:07.07 | ceplma | Aghaster: no |
| 17:07.23 | Aghaster | the output is the same |
| 17:07.24 | Aghaster | i did an export |
| 17:07.58 | ceplma | Aghaster: export shouldn't work between two different independent xterms |
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| 17:08.03 | Aghaster | k |
| 17:08.07 | Aghaster | i'm using bash |
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| 17:08.18 | Nirgal | Aghaster: try "xhost +", just in case ... |
| 17:08.32 | Aghaster | k |
| 17:08.38 | ceplma | Aghaster: or xhost without any parameters |
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| 17:08.48 | Aghaster | access control disabled, clients can connect from any host |
| 17:08.49 | ceplma | what is the result |
| 17:09.01 | splattnik | hello, im runnig wmii as my primary wm but somtimes i use fvwm. fvwm got this wonderful debian menu that lets change wm without closing any applications and restart x and so on. Wmii dont seem to have this and im now wondering how to change to fvwm frow wmii without closing any apps. Is this possible? |
| 17:09.24 | ceplma | Aghaster: did you do anything non-standard to your installation? |
| 17:09.27 | aryal | is there any way to allow 'CAP_NET_ADMIN' to non-root users? |
| 17:09.37 | _Gandalf_ | hi, which makes en_US utf8 by default "en_US UTF-8" or "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" in /etc/locale.gen ?? |
| 17:09.41 | Aghaster | ceplma: what do you mean by non standard? |
| 17:09.55 | Aghaster | does recompiling my kernel counts as non standard? |
| 17:10.08 | ceplma | Aghaster: (I mean something else, then what apt-get and dpkg-reconfigure would do -- locally compiled packages, intensive editing of configuration files, etc.) |
| 17:10.21 | ceplma | Aghaster: I don't care about kernel -- this is about X only |
| 17:10.35 | _Gandalf_ | anyone knows of a good guide to full port debian from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 (no X is needed just CLI) |
| 17:10.39 | Aghaster | hum.... i played a lot in X to try to make 3D acceleration work |
| 17:10.40 | Nirgal | Gandalf: dpkg-reconfigure locales and use "en_US.UTF-8" |
| 17:10.53 | ceplma | Aghaster: and please confirm once more that both X and xmodmap are running on the local machine |
| 17:11.07 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: ok :) |
| 17:11.08 | Aghaster | if i restart X, i will be sure its running? |
| 17:11.10 | Aghaster | yeah. |
| 17:11.17 | ceplma | Aghaster: just in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or something more brutal? |
| 17:11.28 | Aghaster | just un xorg.conf |
| 17:11.37 | Aghaster | and installing/uninstalling ati drivers |
| 17:11.57 | _Gandalf_ | Aghaster: if u're not on the machine export DISPLAY=:0 && command should work (i haven't saw ur problem though just the above comment |
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| 17:13.00 | ceplma | try to shutdown X, then mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.sav, and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (as root of course). Then restart X (/etc/init.d/gdm restart) and tell us what you have in DISPLAY environment variable. |
| 17:13.08 | Nirgal | Gandalf: I meant select "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" in locales dpkg-reconfigure, and you'll get "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" in /etc/environement |
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| 17:13.30 | Aghaster | ok, back in a minute then |
| 17:13.36 | ceplma | Aghaster: of course, gdm applies only when you use it (which I guess, when you run Gnome) |
| 17:13.39 | Aghaster | how to i shutdown X? |
| 17:13.44 | Aghaster | do* |
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| 17:13.56 | ceplma | Aghaster: logout |
| 17:14.00 | Aghaster | ok |
| 17:14.01 | _Gandalf_ | Aghaster: just Ctrl + Alt + Backspace to kill it |
| 17:14.10 | Aghaster | doesnt that restart it? |
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| 17:14.35 | Aghaster | well. |
| 17:14.39 | jmp_me | f it says package x is not install after "packet y depends on.." how can I with one command install the missing? |
| 17:14.44 | Nirgal | Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, then "startx" from a text console :] |
| 17:14.47 | ceplma | Aghaster: or if you are not sure, just make all these changes in console (Alt+F1) and then reboot computer |
| 17:15.08 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: i have reconfigured locales and selected utf8, however when i run locale charmap, i get ISO-8859-1, i want UTF-8 coz i want to be able to see international language such as Arabic |
| 17:16.35 | _Gandalf_ | ceplma: no one knows how to make debian use UTF-8 by default ?? |
| 17:16.52 | _Gandalf_ | oops ceplma was not directed for u, typo mistake :$ |
| 17:17.01 | ceplma | _Gandalf_: dpkg-reconfigure locales (as root) |
| 17:17.05 | Niklas_E | does 3.1r2 work? I can't use my usb keyboard and it hangs when loading some scsi |
| 17:17.16 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: logout / logon (or reboot: UTF-8 in /etc/environment starts weird things shuch as unicode_start at startup ...) |
| 17:17.16 | _Gandalf_ | ceplma: didn't work locale charmap = ISO-8859-1 |
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| 17:17.30 | ceplma | _Gandalf_: you have to restart X |
| 17:17.32 | Naz_ | where should I go for cron help? |
| 17:17.38 | _Gandalf_ | ceplma: no X just CLI |
| 17:17.56 | _Gandalf_ | k brb then |
| 17:17.57 | ceplma | _Gandalf_: Ctrl-D and login again |
| 17:18.19 | Naz_ | Cron keeps sending me an email |
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| 17:18.27 | _Gandalf_ | yea it worked thx ceplma |
| 17:18.37 | Naz_ | I've followed the tutorials and I can't seem to get this to stop |
| 17:18.45 | Naz_ | its from smmsp |
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| 17:19.08 | Naz_ | and I've addeed >/dev/null 2>&1 to everything |
| 17:19.14 | ceplma | Naz_: crontab -e (as root) and then add to the top of the file MAILTO="" |
| 17:19.14 | Naz_ | its an hourly task |
| 17:19.14 | darky | hello |
| 17:19.21 | Naz_ | ok |
| 17:19.40 | Naz_ | I don't know how to use vi XD |
| 17:19.47 | ceplma | Naz_: or you may get it to the particular file in /etc/cron*/whereever it is |
| 17:19.58 | henk | Hi, I have two racks in different locations , each with a /24 range of ipv4 addresses. lets say 1.1.1.0/24 and 2.2.2.0/24 I want to move a computer from location 1 (ip 1.1.1.13) to location 2 and tunnel the the 'old' ip to location 2 so that this server can use both 1.1.1.13 and 2.2.2.13. I've been unable to do this with a gre tunnel. Can anyone help me ? |
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| 17:20.02 | Naz_ | hmm |
| 17:20.05 | jmp_me | f it says package x is not install after "packet y depends on.." how can I with one command install the missing? |
| 17:20.21 | Naz_ | The action isn't in the roots crontab |
| 17:20.27 | jengelh | crontab -l |
| 17:20.30 | _Gandalf_ | Naz_: do export EDITOR=pico |
| 17:20.40 | _Gandalf_ | and then crontab -e |
| 17:20.41 | jengelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.48 | Naz_ | ok |
| 17:21.06 | Dr_TAbAkMeiSTeR | check www.tabakflash.de |
| 17:22.04 | _Gandalf_ | ceplma: that worked i can see arabic fonts however my problem still persist which is in mp3blaster software i can't see fonts in it |
| 17:22.07 | hydride | how do I change my hostname? I got a box set to anger.homelinux.net but that's the name of my other box. |
| 17:22.28 | Naz_ | thanks everyone |
| 17:22.30 | Naz_ | I found it |
| 17:22.47 | darky | may anybody help me!? i downloaded a tiny network installation iso of (i think it was a 64bit testing image) debian. during the installation of the base system i get a error msg that the chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc command wont work, because it says: "debootstrap: chroot: cannot execute mount: No such file or directory".. does anybody know what i can do!? |
| 17:22.52 | _Gandalf_ | hydride: edit /etc/hostname file |
| 17:22.56 | ceplma | _Gandalf_: is mp3blaster X-based program or console one? you have to install fonts |
| 17:23.11 | _Gandalf_ | is console based one |
| 17:23.48 | _Gandalf_ | ceplma: it is a console based one |
| 17:23.50 | Nirgal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.53 | ceplma | _Gandalf_: do you want to run in plain console or in xterm? |
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| 17:24.12 | _Gandalf_ | ceplma: plain console no X installed |
| 17:24.56 | ceplma | _Gandalf_: that's tough -- edit /etc/console-tools/config but you need to read lot of manpages etc. to make it work correctly |
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| 17:25.16 | ceplma | _Gandalf_: especially with non-Latin characters |
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| 17:25.33 | _Gandalf_ | ceplma: i have replaced the iso9 things with utf8 |
| 17:25.35 | ceplma | _Gandalf_: (being a Czech I have no clue how to do these) |
| 17:25.43 | _Gandalf_ | also am runinng through SSH |
| 17:25.56 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: If you haven't rebooted yet, do "unicode_start" as root |
| 17:26.05 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: ok hold ok |
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| 17:26.42 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: i got Won't set unicode mode: not a VT. |
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| 17:26.52 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: i guess because through ssh |
| 17:27.32 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: unicode_start is for /dev/tty, not needed on ssh |
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| 17:27.57 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: any ideas then ? |
| 17:28.19 | Nirgal | are both computer using utf8 ? |
| 17:28.25 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: yes |
| 17:29.44 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: what's wrong? fonts? or encoding? if encoding, you'll see 2 or 3 characters where there should be one (unicode > 160) Exemple: euro € character |
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| 17:30.28 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: i see weird characters such as Ø¥Ù~JÙ~Gاب |
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| 17:31.09 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: You're pasting arabian from my point of view |
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| 17:31.18 | tuv | how do i build an "apt-get source" installed source |
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| 17:31.20 | tuv | ? |
| 17:31.21 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: yea indeed |
| 17:31.47 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: u saw them correctly ? |
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| 17:31.58 | loggygreg | tuv: dpkg-buildpackage or debuild |
| 17:32.09 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: some of them, yes |
| 17:32.38 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: hmm i don't at all, i see them weird characters like u said 2 or 3 chars relaces one |
| 17:33.03 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: so it's encoding ? however all is set to utf-8 now well AFAIK |
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| 17:33.37 | ACU | guys - I just reach a sad conclusion - in order to install Debian you better have Knoppix or windows to find exactly what hardware you have - then install Debian - I just installed the Sarge Release 2 and obviously I might have goofed the graphic card choice and voila no GUI - just wasted three hours - I am downloading Knoppix - is just frustrating - I wonder why Debian developers do not integrate Knopix tools to recognize hardware - |
| 17:33.37 | ACU | it would be such a win ---- I understood Knoppix is GPL too so should not be a "shame" or problem to get something they figure out so beautifully |
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| 17:35.13 | alec | ACU: I'm surprised you needed to choose a graphics card, in my experience X does autodetection well |
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| 17:35.34 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: are u using X to ssh into the other comp? I know uxterm terminal to work. |
| 17:35.57 | hedpe | anyone know a good place to get dia shapes and sheets? |
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| 17:36.22 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: yes am using gnome-terminal to ssh there, want me to try pure CLI ? |
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| 17:36.58 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: From plain console, you can ssh but all the characters are not available, so that you see squares instead of characters. However, the number of letters should be correct! (Tried with chinese) |
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| 17:38.28 | ACU | For sarge R2 it was VESA - and I went for it - but is obviously not that --- and Sarge R2 stilll uses Xfree86 of I am not wrong - I asked earlier if it was possible to have Xorg installed right of the bat - maybe it was better - I forgot also how to configure Xfree86 ---- I think is dpkg -reconfigure xfree86 something like this |
| 17:38.35 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: In gnome terminal, you can select the charset! "Terminal" / "Set Character encoding" ... :) |
| 17:38.48 | help | I installed debian, but the desktop doesn't come up, I need to know what packages to 'apt-get install' so that i can get gnome to come up (I know that it is gdm/gnome/???) |
| 17:39.00 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: yea maybe u're right i see weird character (another characters) |
| 17:39.29 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: G-T is already set to use UTF-8, actually the whole client OS use UTF-8 by default |
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| 17:40.27 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: Is LANG correct when you login on the other box? |
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| 17:41.07 | alec | help: you'll want gnome-desktop-environment and x-window-system |
| 17:41.21 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 on the other box when i login |
| 17:41.21 | LinuxHelp | whats the smallest, simplest web server available for Debian 3.1? |
| 17:41.34 | _Gandalf_ | ar both iso and utf are generated |
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| 17:41.42 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:41.42 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:41.43 | alec | LinuxHelp: thttpd and lighttpd are pretty small and simple |
| 17:41.52 | help | alec, thanks i will start that installation |
| 17:42.16 | loggygreg | LinuxHelp: lighttpd ? |
| 17:42.40 | LinuxHelp | by order of voting, lighttpd has one this contest :) |
| 17:42.50 | ACU | help - which Debian did you install ? - if it is Sarge you might have chosen the wrong VGA card if it is DebianETCH I think something is wrong with Beta 2 as more people complained ---------------help apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system (something like this - guru's online will tell you for sure) |
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| 17:43.19 | Nirgal | _Gandalf_: privmsg |
| 17:43.48 | ACU | help: or if you want kde ---- apt-get install x-window-system core kde |
| 17:43.52 | LinuxHelp | er, apt-get search lighttpd turned up nothing :( |
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| 17:44.07 | _Gandalf_ | Nirgal: ok am there |
| 17:44.11 | tuv | has anyone installed nvidia's graphcis drivers on testing recently? i can't find nvidia-glx |
| 17:44.21 | LinuxHelp | am I using a bad mirror? |
| 17:44.35 | alec | LinuxHelp: looks like it's not in sarge, go for thttpd |
| 17:44.44 | loggygreg | LinuxHelp: exact it's not on sarge sorry |
| 17:45.29 | loggygreg | s/on/in |
| 17:45.44 | LinuxHelp | thttpd - tiny/turbo/throttling HTTP server: and this supports basic cgi? |
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| 17:46.13 | loggygreg | LinuxHelp: yes |
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| 17:50.00 | KerPlunk | Do the firefox logo .png icons not ship with debian anymore? My default icon is a globe, and not the fireball. :( |
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| 17:50.32 | alec | KerPlunk: mozilla licensing restrictions |
| 17:50.52 | KerPlunk | alec, Does marillat or debian-unofficial keep a package with the icon? |
| 17:50.57 | KerPlunk | Or where can I get it, google? |
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| 17:51.14 | Zap-W | what is AC in 220 AC , and DC in 12V DC |
| 17:51.36 | zinx | alternating / direct current |
| 17:51.39 | zinx | silly man |
| 17:51.44 | alec | KerPlunk: google sounds like a good option |
| 17:51.45 | zinx | you must be american |
| 17:51.47 | ACU | Is anyway you can install Xorg instead of Xfree86 in Debian Sarge R2 right from the installation |
| 17:51.50 | LinuxHelp | Wheres a good/usual folder to put your web site content? |
| 17:52.00 | alec | LinuxHelp: /var/www |
| 17:52.06 | Naz_ | hello? |
| 17:52.16 | alec | LinuxHelp: thttpd has a default in the configuration file |
| 17:52.18 | Naz_ | where does sendmail store its cron jobs? |
| 17:52.26 | KerPlunk | alec, Where can I globally set icons for certain programs in gnome? |
| 17:52.29 | help | ACU... I do not think so |
| 17:52.39 | KerPlunk | Like if I change the firefox icon on the desktop, it won't change in the launcher or in the menu. |
| 17:52.40 | help | i think you have to remove and then install |
| 17:52.42 | KerPlunk | I have to do it three times. |
| 17:52.44 | alec | KerPlunk: got me, don't use gnome |
| 17:53.11 | alec | KerPlunk: that is, I don't use gnome, you're welcome to use it, it's nice |
| 17:53.51 | KerPlunk | I use ion3 |
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| 17:54.01 | KerPlunk | I'm trying to set it up so my girlfriend can get around on the laptop |
| 17:54.17 | loggygreg | Naz_: /etc/cron.daily/sendmail ? |
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| 17:55.27 | Zap-W | zinx: what's the difference |
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| 17:56.18 | LinuxHelp | ah, I see now that the thttpd is by default locked to /var/www |
| 17:56.22 | loggygreg | Naz_: and /etc/cron.d/sendmail ? |
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| 17:57.02 | przem | Does anyone know how to get good documentation of lib3ds library? |
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| 17:57.21 | LinuxHelp | Generally speaking, what is the /var/www/users/ directory for? |
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| 18:01.08 | StriderZ | Is there info somewhere as to how I get rtlimits support working in debian? Is there a patched pam package or something like that? |
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| 18:01.17 | zinx | Zap-W: DC has +/- fixed, AC varies them as a sine wave; look it up for a better description |
| 18:01.38 | zinx | Zap-W: very very basic stuff that you should have learned in high school |
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| 18:02.01 | adair | hi |
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| 18:03.02 | xuser | Hi!, Whats the alike for remote desktop? |
| 18:03.21 | js_ | xuser: vnc |
| 18:03.44 | xuser | js_: can vnc connect to a running X? |
| 18:03.50 | js_ | xuser: but you can really do all the administration you want using ssh |
| 18:03.54 | js_ | xuser: yes |
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| 18:04.19 | xuser | js_: yeah i know, is form some X applications. |
| 18:04.29 | xuser | js_: tightvnc would do the job? |
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| 18:04.32 | js_ | xuser: yep |
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| 18:05.52 | alec | xuser: vnc can't connect to a running x in the same way that remote desktop connects |
| 18:06.10 | alec | xuser: you'll need to start an xsession in vnc and then connect to that |
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| 18:07.49 | xuser | alec: an xsession in vnc? |
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| 18:08.35 | alec | xuser: generally when one uses vnc they'll have vnc start up with kde or gnome or whatever inside |
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| 18:09.09 | alec | xuser: you can't start up vnc in an already running xsession and then connect to it |
| 18:09.53 | topa_ | on sid, while trying to upgrade to X.org it's removing gnome meta package, anyway to stop it from doing that ? |
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| 18:10.18 | xuser | alec: hmm.. |
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| 18:12.15 | xuser | alec: i see. |
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| 18:13.20 | xuser | alec: is there some app that can do it like remotedesktop? |
| 18:14.26 | alec | xuser: I don't know. You might look around at GNOME or KDE's offerings. |
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| 18:15.49 | xuser | alec: kk. |
| 18:16.17 | stew | < alec> xuser: you can't start up vnc in an already running xsession and then connect to it |
| 18:16.19 | topa_ | xuser tried vino ? |
| 18:16.20 | stew | sure you can |
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| 18:16.55 | stew | xuser: the "rfb" vnc server will share an existing xsession |
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| 18:19.44 | xuser | stew: rfb? part of X? |
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| 18:22.10 | xuser | topa_: huh? |
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| 18:23.24 | LinuxHelp | xuser: are you running on a lan, or internet? |
| 18:24.44 | axolx | hi channel: i upgraded to Xorg recently and am having a really annoying problem: X starts and works fine. however, when i switch to text mode and back the screen gets progressively white and the system is unusable until i reboot. any ideas? |
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| 18:25.16 | LinuxHelp | !axolx is progressive. |
| 18:25.17 | dpkg | okay, LinuxHelp |
| 18:25.20 | topa_ | xuser vino is a remote administration vnc like software available in GNOME |
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| 18:25.56 | evaded | Hi guys, i have installed 'enlightenment', btw i use 'gdm'. For the other environments like 'fluxbox' an item is created, but there are not an item in the session menu on the login screen 'enlightenment'. How come that and how i start it? |
| 18:26.21 | ifvoid | evaded: have you restarted gdm? |
| 18:26.32 | stew | xuser: no, apt-cache show rfb |
| 18:26.37 | evaded | ifvoid: I have logout and login again |
| 18:26.38 | Kitsami | hello |
| 18:26.52 | evaded | ifvoid: Is that enought? |
| 18:26.53 | ifvoid | evaded: that might not have been enough |
| 18:27.01 | kingmike | Hi. Is there a scriptable thing to know if some network port is begin used (for instance to use special iptables rules when I use those ports) ? |
| 18:27.09 | evaded | ifvoid: Ok thanks. I come back ;-) |
| 18:27.22 | Kitsami | i need help |
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| 18:27.52 | ifvoid | kingmike: netstat -anp |
| 18:28.09 | kingmike | Kitsami : ok, when you were young, but so much younger than today, then you did you need anyone's help in anyway ? |
| 18:28.18 | kingmike | ifvoid : thanks |
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| 18:28.53 | kingmike | ifvoid : hey, cool, that's exactly what I was looking for ! |
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| 18:28.59 | Kitsami | i have download a package on debian webite and i have make a floppy with webmin_1.180-3_all.deb how to install it? |
| 18:29.05 | axolx | LinuxHelp: ? |
| 18:29.05 | LinuxHelp | !LinuxHelp |
| 18:29.06 | Sebischn | hello! How can I add a secound root account, or change a users priviles to the privilegs root has ? |
| 18:29.06 | dpkg | somebody said linuxhelp was where info lurks waiting to pounce |
| 18:29.31 | berto | hello, I have backuped my /home before re-install debian etch. I use thunderbird. How can I configure the new thunderbird from the backup and import old mail and contact ? thanks |
| 18:29.34 | xarragon | Hello, the XQF package was recently removed from testing, stated that it segfaulted on startup. Why isn't fallback to an older version employed? No the package is just gone alltogether... |
| 18:29.37 | minerale_ | bah, anyone else here has pain when typing // uses any special keyboard? |
| 18:29.38 | ifvoid | Sebischn: why wuld you want that? |
| 18:29.39 | LinuxHelp | axolx: ? |
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| 18:29.56 | ifvoid | Sebischn: usually, it's better to just change permissions as needed, or use sudo |
| 18:30.13 | alec | minerale_: not I, but I've heard the kenesis keyboards are good |
| 18:30.20 | axolx | LinuxHelp: what do you mean by 15:25 < LinuxHelp> !axolx is progressive. |
| 18:30.22 | ifvoid | xarragon: yes, that's how testing works |
| 18:30.24 | kingmike | Kitsami : man dpkg should help you |
| 18:30.32 | evaded | With restarting gdm solve not the problem, the 'enlightement' are not available in the menu of gdm :-/ |
| 18:30.42 | ifvoid | evaded: weird |
| 18:30.58 | alec | xarragon: if you want an older package, you should also use sarge sources and set them to a lower priority than etch ones |
| 18:30.59 | LinuxHelp | axolx: I dont know how to solve your problem, sorry. |
| 18:31.28 | evaded | ifvoid: I have installed many environments, have tests some. For all the other environments i had nothings others to do that only installing it. |
| 18:31.38 | ifvoid | evaded: that's probably a but in enlightenment then |
| 18:31.43 | ifvoid | evaded: please report it |
| 18:31.43 | xarragon | alec: Ah, okay. I'll check the apt manual. Thanks. |
| 18:31.52 | kingmike | Sebischn : what are you planning to do ? Why not just login as root ? |
| 18:32.00 | minerale_ | alec: I was looking at those earlier, whoa $250 for a keyboard... but if the pain won't go away I might just buy one |
| 18:32.03 | evaded | ifvoid: A 'bug' i guess?? |
| 18:32.09 | alec | xarragon: look at a sample /etc/apt/preferences |
| 18:32.31 | alec | minerale_: I hear the pain only gets worse |
| 18:32.43 | ifvoid | evaded: yes |
| 18:32.43 | alec | minerale_: I'm considering getting one just to avoid getting hurt in the first place |
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| 18:32.51 | alec | minerale_: but yeah, they certainly are not cheap |
| 18:33.01 | evaded | ifvoid: Ok, i look a bit on reportbug |
| 18:33.39 | minerale_ | alec: just don't bang on your keys, and... use vi |
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| 18:33.58 | xarragon | Hum, I don't seem to have an `/etc/apt/preferences' file, should I go ahead and create one? |
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| 18:34.19 | ifvoid | evaded: anyway, to start it manuall, you shoudl create ~/.xsession and put the command there that you want to start at startup ("enlightenment" or so) |
| 18:34.33 | ifvoid | evaded: then chmod +x that file, and login again |
| 18:34.46 | evaded | ifvoid: Yhea... |
| 18:35.04 | LinuxHelp | !sarge |
| 18:35.04 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 18:35.06 | evaded | ifvoid: Right, i had not think on it ;-) i think it's 'start16' but i need to looko |
| 18:35.11 | alec | xarragon: it's optional, so yes, go ahead and create one |
| 18:35.44 | LinuxHelp | !sarge is also the best thing since slice cheese. |
| 18:35.44 | dpkg | okay, LinuxHelp |
| 18:35.45 | xarragon | alec: Ah, okay, thanks. Sorry for all the hand-holding. |
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| 18:36.11 | LinuxHelp | hates typos |
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| 18:36.24 | evaded | ifvoid: It's looks that there are not an bug reported about that problem. So i can not imagine me that it's an bug. Like i think i'm not the first user of it on Sarge. |
| 18:36.42 | dolor | Need Help: I would like to allow higher resolutions on under xfce4, but only 800x600 shows up in the settings manager. What do I need to begin adjusting? |
| 18:36.46 | ifvoid | evaded: surely it's a bug |
| 18:36.54 | ifvoid | evaded: E16 is old though |
| 18:37.10 | ifvoid | evaded: so most people who are using it problly have put it in ~/.xsession |
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| 18:37.16 | evaded | ifvoid: In the other way, normally it must be goo like ex 'fluxbox' |
| 18:37.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm looking at danger from the deep now |
| 18:37.24 | LinuxHelp | dolor: perhaps, linux thinks your screen can only support 800x600? |
| 18:37.35 | LinuxHelp | happened to me |
| 18:37.36 | evaded | ifvoid: Yes, you're right on all the ways ;-) |
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| 18:38.12 | xuser | LinuxHelp: i want to use it for both. |
| 18:38.31 | dolor | LinuxHelp: I agree that this seems likely, as I am running on a sort of B brand laptop. Can you suggests something to look into? |
| 18:38.52 | clobbered | Hello, any advice for someone who wants gcc 4.0 on Sarge? I didn't find it in backports.org, which surprised me. |
| 18:38.58 | LinuxHelp | xuser: okay well, not recommended for internet, but XDMCP is built into at least KDE, and probably gnome too |
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| 18:39.03 | tarzeau | clobbered: i'd upgrade |
| 18:39.17 | clobbered | tarzeau: heh. |
| 18:39.35 | evaded | dolor: I guess you need to reconfigure the xserver 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 18:39.37 | LinuxHelp | xuser: all you need to do is change a setting to enable it, and it will be like you're sitting in front of that pc, login and alll |
| 18:40.00 | LinuxHelp | dolor, listen to evaded :) |
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| 18:40.17 | xuser | LinuxHelp: i'm using tightvnc. |
| 18:40.38 | unstable | How can I have my internal speaker on my laptop beep 3 times(as loud as possible) when I have 5 minutes left of battery life? |
| 18:40.42 | ACU | guys - can you tell me what exactly is the command for xfree reconfig: I know is something like dpkg-xfree86 configure - can anyone help |
| 18:40.46 | dolor | evaded: swell. Much obliged. |
| 18:40.51 | xuser | stew: can tightvnc access a running X? |
| 18:41.13 | topa_ | ACU dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:41.21 | topa_ | or xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:41.26 | evaded | dolor: We are here for it ;-) |
| 18:41.30 | OleMoudi | ACU, dpkg-reconfigure XFree86-server ? |
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| 18:41.37 | LinuxHelp | dolor: I think it was system-config-display on Fedora, dunno if thats on Debs and XFce |
| 18:41.51 | ManPhoenix811 | how do I hide an user? |
| 18:41.53 | LinuxHelp | yeah, I think that was Gnome |
| 18:41.55 | topa_ | LinuxHelp no it's not :-) |
| 18:41.58 | ManPhoenix811 | from root, from anyone |
| 18:42.00 | ifvoid | ManPhoenix811: hide how? |
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| 18:42.10 | ifvoid | ManPhoenix811: you can't hide anything frm root |
| 18:42.16 | ManPhoenix811 | why not? |
| 18:42.18 | ifvoid | and that A Good THing |
| 18:42.22 | Shadowcat | because for all intents and purposes |
| 18:42.24 | Shadowcat | root == god |
| 18:42.35 | Shadowcat | at least in unix terminology |
| 18:42.37 | LinuxHelp | root is the law |
| 18:42.40 | ManPhoenix811 | ok |
| 18:42.42 | ManPhoenix811 | im root |
| 18:42.43 | ManPhoenix811 | so umm |
| 18:42.46 | ifvoid | ManPhoenix811: because that would make life pretty easy for rootkit builders and other k1ddies |
| 18:42.48 | ManPhoenix811 | I declare hidden accounts tyo be possible |
| 18:42.54 | ManPhoenix811 | :D |
| 18:42.54 | Kitsami | which floppy disk drive do you wish to use? gve the name in /dev (eg fd0) or the MSDOS drive letter (eg A). [fd09] <.. |
| 18:42.55 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 18:43.14 | Shadowcat | stop being lame |
| 18:43.17 | ifvoid | ManPhoenix811: but seriously, why do you need it? |
| 18:43.20 | Shadowcat | ou know what I meant |
| 18:43.25 | Shadowcat | you* |
| 18:43.25 | ManPhoenix811 | I'm a script kiddie |
| 18:43.29 | ManPhoenix811 | I wanna hax!!1 |
| 18:43.31 | zenwryly | ayone else having problems with upgrading udev? |
| 18:43.34 | ifvoid | there's probably a better solution to your problem |
| 18:43.37 | Kitsami | which floppy disk drive do you wish to use? gve the name in /dev (eg fd0) or the MSDOS drive letter (eg A). [fd09] <--- iam not undertand this |
| 18:43.39 | ManPhoenix811 | Either that or it was one of my "Ask Stupid Questions" moment. |
| 18:43.41 | ManPhoenix811 | =P |
| 18:43.48 | Shadowcat | !beat ManPhoenix811 |
| 18:43.49 | ifvoid | zenwryly: I'm hearing about lots of trouble yeah |
| 18:43.50 | ManPhoenix811 | erm.. seriously now |
| 18:43.52 | LinuxHelp | ManPhoenix811: add this to your script: rm -rf /tmp/../ |
| 18:43.57 | ifvoid | zenwryly: mostly having to do with ifrename and friends |
| 18:43.57 | ManPhoenix811 | ok! |
| 18:44.01 | ManPhoenix811 | *grin* |
| 18:44.03 | ManPhoenix811 | um |
| 18:44.08 | ManPhoenix811 | I keep getting kicked off of this server |
| 18:44.11 | ManPhoenix811 | "nick in use" |
| 18:44.12 | ManPhoenix811 | wtf? |
| 18:44.19 | Shadowcat | LinuxHelp: I have a better idea |
| 18:44.27 | Shadowcat | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/nvram |
| 18:44.37 | LinuxHelp | 8) |
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| 18:44.49 | evaded | ManPhoenix811: Need '/nickserv help ghost'? |
| 18:44.50 | zenwryly | ifvoid: I'm getting an error about /lib/udev/write_net_rules |
| 18:45.09 | humbolt | is there an option for apt to limit the download rate to a specific value? |
| 18:45.11 | ifvoid | zenwryly: what's the error, exatcly? |
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| 18:45.21 | ifvoid | zenwryly: are you on sid or etch? |
| 18:45.22 | tarzeau | humbolt: not afaik |
| 18:45.23 | humbolt | can I set that somewhere in apt.conf |
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| 18:45.28 | tarzeau | humbolt: but there's other tools to do that |
| 18:45.40 | LinuxHelp | box:/var/www# cat /dev/mem | grep llama Binary file (standard input) matches :) |
| 18:45.44 | humbolt | tarzeau: quick and dirty? what can I use |
| 18:46.07 | zenwryly | ifvoid: unstable (etch, right?) |
| 18:46.19 | ifvoid | unstabel==sid |
| 18:46.30 | LinuxHelp | in theory, any thing you grep for should turn up in /dev/mem right? |
| 18:46.31 | zenwryly | ah, sorry |
| 18:46.34 | tarzeau | humbolt: i never want to limit downloads... i use wondershaper though |
| 18:46.37 | ifvoid | LinuxHelp: yeah |
| 18:46.40 | tarzeau | humbolt: i don't remember the tool, there is one |
| 18:46.43 | zenwryly | ifvoid: "/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 89: /lib/udev/write_net_rules: No such file or directory" |
| 18:46.49 | ifvoid | hmm |
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| 18:47.23 | ifvoid | zenwryly: that's bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364241 |
| 18:48.20 | vin` | tarzeau: trickle? |
| 18:48.24 | hytll | if i tell the debian installer to use a 2.6 kernel during installation, will that also make it use a 2.6 kernel on the installed system? |
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| 18:48.37 | stew | hytll: yes |
| 18:48.44 | hytll | stew: thanx |
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| 18:48.50 | ifvoid | zenwryly: so the workaround is to extract the file manually (ar x udev_fo0bar.deb; tar xvzf data.tar.gz), and copy the file there manually |
| 18:49.04 | tarzeau | vin`: exactly |
| 18:49.05 | stew | xuser: i don't think so |
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| 18:49.26 | xuser | stew: only realvnc? |
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| 18:49.36 | zenwryly | ifvoid: excellent, thanks! |
| 18:49.38 | stew | xuser: and rfb |
| 18:49.41 | bbocaner | hi all. i'm having trouble loading my NIC card module , i'm trying to use bonding |
| 18:49.49 | ifvoid | bonding? |
| 18:49.55 | LinuxHelp | !bonding |
| 18:49.55 | bbocaner | two nics for failover |
| 18:50.05 | ifvoid | o |
| 18:50.09 | ifvoid | never tried that |
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| 18:50.19 | LinuxHelp | !bonding is two nics for failover |
| 18:50.19 | dpkg | okay, LinuxHelp |
| 18:50.23 | ifvoid | bbocaner: but are you having problem with tthe driver or with the bonding part? |
| 18:50.27 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: no it's not |
| 18:50.31 | evaded | ifvoid: I have found the bug number of my problem #310943 http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.bugs.dist/2005-07/msg07735.html |
| 18:50.31 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: it's for more bandwith |
| 18:50.39 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: MAN! you've ever done bonding? |
| 18:50.39 | bbocaner | well, it can do both |
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| 18:50.51 | LinuxHelp | tarzeau: I just quote "" :) |
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| 18:51.01 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: lart whoever said that |
| 18:51.02 | bbocaner | it's more useful, IMO, for failover -- connect to two switches |
| 18:51.05 | ifvoid | evaded: ah, right |
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| 18:51.14 | tarzeau | bbocaner: failover of what? |
| 18:51.19 | ifvoid | evaded: that's been fixed in untable, but not yet in stable |
| 18:51.20 | evaded | ifvoid: And also the diff patch :- |
| 18:51.31 | bbocaner | if one of the switches you are connected to dies, you still have conection through the other switch |
| 18:51.33 | shogunx | bbocaner if you want multi-homed failover, that is something different... its essentially routing. |
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| 18:51.36 | LinuxHelp | !forget bonding |
| 18:51.36 | stew | !no binding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source |
| 18:51.36 | dpkg | LinuxHelp: i forgot bonding |
| 18:51.36 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 18:52.03 | ce_lgchat | hai |
| 18:52.06 | vin` | stew: s/bind/bond? |
| 18:52.06 | axolx | question: i recently upgraded to Etch and that upgraded XFree86 to Xorg. Xorg is not working well in my machine, how can i revert just that package to Xfree86? |
| 18:52.07 | xuser | stew: you have a link for rfb? not a debian box right now. |
| 18:52.08 | bbocaner | anyways, i knowo how to configure bonding to do what I want it to do |
| 18:52.16 | action09 | bondage? |
| 18:52.16 | bbocaner | my problem is with loading my NIC driver modules |
| 18:52.21 | stew | vin`: oops, i'm fixing it in /msg |
| 18:52.25 | ifvoid | axolx: define "not working well" |
| 18:52.27 | LinuxHelp | !bondage |
| 18:52.27 | dpkg | tpa: bondage_, or OpenProjects #bdsm - the only bondage channel here |
| 18:52.29 | stew | xuser: http://packages.debian.org/rfb |
| 18:52.39 | ifvoid | axolx: you'll need to switch to Xorg anyway |
| 18:52.46 | bbocaner | how do I automatically load the e100 and bonding modules? |
| 18:52.51 | ifvoid | bbocaner: so, that is the problem, exactly? |
| 18:52.57 | ifvoid | bbocaner: oh |
| 18:53.03 | ifvoid | bbocaner: put them in /etc/modules |
| 18:53.08 | shogunx | bbocaner in /etc/modules |
| 18:53.09 | xuser | stew: thx. |
| 18:53.09 | hytll | how far into the install do I have to be to get sshd started? |
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| 18:53.26 | bbocaner | i put an alias eth0 e100 entry in /etc/modutils/aliases |
| 18:53.27 | vin` | axolx: fix xorg instead, should work fine. |
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| 18:53.30 | dolor | LinuxHelp: thanks again. |
| 18:53.32 | bbocaner | but it doesn't work |
| 18:53.38 | ifvoid | !doesn't work |
| 18:53.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:53.43 | stew | hytll: you have to have finished the install |
| 18:53.50 | hytll | stew: thanx again |
| 18:54.01 | hytll | (i got two p133 laptops I'm trying to set up w/ debian to give away) |
| 18:54.11 | bbocaner | ok... all of the howto's I saw said to do an alias |
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| 18:54.17 | tarzeau | hytll: how much mem? |
| 18:54.19 | bbocaner | where do I put the module options then? |
| 18:54.22 | LinuxHelp | hytll: thats mean :) |
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| 18:54.28 | mrex | when my system boots up, it loads up my snd-hda-intel module (which isnt in modules.conf) by itself and ignores the parameters that are in the modules.conf file. how do i get it to use the correct module parameters? |
| 18:54.29 | ifvoid | bbocaner: in /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 18:54.35 | axolx | vin` ifvoid: not working well: X starts fine , but it i switch back to text mode and then to X mode again, the screen goes white and i have to reboot. this is a big problem to me, because it does not allow me to suspend to disk (which requires going to text mode) |
| 18:54.36 | ifvoid | bbocaner: but do you really need options? |
| 18:54.42 | bbocaner | yes |
| 18:54.43 | evaded | tarzeau: I have here an computer ringing with 32MB lol |
| 18:54.45 | hytll | tarzeau: 32 and 80. I'm going to give to some place that has kids/teens that want to learn linux |
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| 18:54.47 | ifvoid | axolx: ah |
| 18:54.50 | mrex | i think alsaconf (which i used a while back) could have created the problem |
| 18:54.50 | ifvoid | axolx: which driver? |
| 18:54.52 | valdyn | mrex: why are you even touching modules.conf |
| 18:54.52 | hytll | but maybe don't have a PC to dick around with |
| 18:54.53 | bbocaner | the bonding driver needs options to work the way I want it to |
| 18:54.56 | evaded | s/ringing/running |
| 18:54.59 | axolx | ifvoid: i810. |
| 18:55.00 | ifvoid | axolx: uh, I mean, which video card? |
| 18:55.07 | ifvoid | axolx: hmm, that should work fine |
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| 18:55.13 | tarzeau | evaded: does it run x? |
| 18:55.15 | ifvoid | axolx: works perfecly on my laptop with suspend |
| 18:55.15 | mrex | valdyn, no, i used update-modules etc....then it got to modules to conf automatically |
| 18:55.26 | valdyn | mrex: are you on sarge? |
| 18:55.30 | tarzeau | evaded: i've got a computer w/ 32mb too, it runs OPENSTEP, and pretty fast too including graphics, webbrowsing and all |
| 18:55.38 | evaded | tarzeau: Yes, slow slow slow, but... And also an 'supybot' :-) |
| 18:55.40 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 18:55.40 | mrex | valdyn, sid |
| 18:55.40 | tarzeau | hytll: nice. what country? |
| 18:55.42 | valdyn | mrex: uname -r please |
| 18:55.46 | ifvoid | axolx: so you get any error messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 18:55.46 | axolx | ifvoid: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04) |
| 18:55.47 | hytll | us |
| 18:55.47 | tarzeau | evaded: no, OPENSTEP is fast. fast. fast. |
| 18:55.49 | Shadowcat | I just bought a bunch of ISA nics for my old 486 today |
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| 18:55.53 | mrex | 2.6.17-rc2 |
| 18:55.53 | Shadowcat | I'm gonna see if I can get it working |
| 18:55.55 | hytll | Shadowcat: how many? |
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| 18:55.59 | valdyn | mrex: update-modules is not doing anything for you then |
| 18:56.00 | tarzeau | evaded: you know they don't have fat ugly X. they have display postscript |
| 18:56.03 | evaded | tarzeau: It's my bot that need a bit to |
| 18:56.07 | Shadowcat | hytll: two isa nics |
| 18:56.08 | tarzeau | evaded: no fat linux either, just a cute microkernel |
| 18:56.10 | LinuxHelp | !gnome is also the human G-nome |
| 18:56.10 | dpkg | okay, LinuxHelp |
| 18:56.15 | axolx | ifvoid: i dont think i get any errors. let me double check |
| 18:56.18 | valdyn | mrex: its obsolete, as is modules.conf, dont touch it |
| 18:56.20 | mrex | valdyn - then how do i get the module to load using my parameters |
| 18:56.26 | evaded | tarzeau: I have running 'fluxbox' on it |
| 18:56.27 | bbocaner | i'm sorry -- which file specifically do i put the module options in? |
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| 18:56.48 | hytll | Shadowcat: one time I was at a PC show, and lots of people had BOXES of isa cards |
| 18:56.50 | ifvoid | mrex: as I said, etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 18:56.57 | hytll | i'd say "How much for a card" |
| 18:57.01 | hytll | and they'd say "you do'nt want this" |
| 18:57.11 | hytll | it was pretty funny |
| 18:57.11 | tarzeau | someone in here in switerland? |
| 18:57.18 | valdyn | mrex: you create a file of your choice in /etc/modprobe.d/ containing just "options snd-hda-intel foo=bar" |
| 18:57.25 | LinuxHelp | !switerland |
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| 18:57.33 | tarzeau | switzerland |
| 18:57.35 | yos87 | some one in here arabic? |
| 18:57.36 | evaded | tarzeau: It's my bot that eat a bit to many memory. But that computer only run that bot lol. I keep that old 133 |
| 18:57.39 | axolx | ifvoid: no errors in the log |
| 18:57.43 | tarzeau | yos87: #arabeyes |
| 18:57.47 | bbocaner | thanks valdyn |
| 18:57.51 | yos87 | tarzeau: how are you |
| 18:57.53 | ifvoid | axolx: also not after X crashes? |
| 18:57.53 | tarzeau | !switzerland |
| 18:57.55 | mrex | valdyn, thanks;) |
| 18:58.02 | tarzeau | yos87: fantastic, thank you |
| 18:58.03 | ifvoid | axolx: can you ping/ssh to you computer after the crash? |
| 18:58.06 | LinuxHelp | !za |
| 18:58.06 | dpkg | za is probably the cctld for South Africa, or http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sf.html |
| 18:58.07 | yos87 | tarzeau: there is only 5 people there, and they are slepping |
| 18:58.09 | tarzeau | yos87: what about you. salam btw |
| 18:58.18 | ifvoid | LinuxHelp: could you please /msg the bot? |
| 18:58.22 | hytll | !ch |
| 18:58.22 | dpkg | i guess ch is Switzerland |
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| 18:58.25 | tarzeau | yos87: sleeping is great, try! more fun with 2 people |
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| 18:58.30 | yos87 | tarzeau: I'm fine thank you tarzeau |
| 18:58.32 | unstable | How can I make my internal speaker on my toshiba laptop beep? the system speaker |
| 18:58.40 | LinuxHelp | ifvoid, I'm educating the masses, I cant do that from /msg |
| 18:58.41 | valdyn | unstable: modprobe pcspkr |
| 18:58.42 | ifvoid | unstable: the beep command ;) |
| 18:58.47 | hytll | echo ^G? |
| 18:58.50 | tarzeau | unstable: ask ibm |
| 18:58.50 | ifvoid | LinuxHelp: the masses can educate themselves |
| 18:59.03 | ooev | suppose i have a process which takes 100% cpu time. |
| 18:59.06 | tarzeau | unstable: usually people want to stop that beep |
| 18:59.09 | unstable | valdyn: doesn't work |
| 18:59.10 | axolx | ifvoid: the screen goes progressively white and then turns to other colors. i worry i may ruin the screen if i dont power off right away. |
| 18:59.11 | tarzeau | ooev: top will show you |
| 18:59.14 | LinuxHelp | ifvoid: naw.. they'd be worse off without me :) |
| 18:59.20 | unstable | Is it possible my toshiba laptop doesn't have an internal speaker? |
| 18:59.25 | ifvoid | axolx: modern screen can't be ruined by software |
| 18:59.26 | valdyn | unstable: im sure you should already know the doesn't work factoid |
| 18:59.30 | unstable | I have my volume down, but I thought there was a system speaker |
| 18:59.31 | ooev | is there any way i can control the cpu time this process consumes at any time? |
| 18:59.33 | ifvoid | axolx: that's hoaxes from the 80's |
| 18:59.40 | evaded | tarzeau: Is 'openstep' == 'gnustep'? |
| 18:59.42 | yos87 | tarzeau: It's really very poor channel |
| 18:59.45 | tarzeau | evaded: no it's not |
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| 18:59.54 | tarzeau | evaded: OPENSTEP is a commercial product of NeXT |
| 18:59.55 | ifvoid | ooev: nice, but that's basically it |
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| 19:00.11 | tarzeau | yos87: i disagree, there's some fine guys in #arabeyes |
| 19:00.11 | bbocaner | macos x == tarted up version of openstep |
| 19:00.12 | ifvoid | ooev: or you can use something like and, and have the process killed after a number of CPU secs used |
| 19:00.15 | evaded | tarzeau: Hhm, the reason why i not find it |
| 19:00.28 | valdyn | ooev: you cannot control its time directly, but you can change its priority , 'man renice' |
| 19:00.29 | axolx | ifvoid: ok. i'll make it crash and try to ping it. what would be the next troubleshooting step? |
| 19:00.37 | tarzeau | evaded: oh, apple bought NeXT like 5 or so years ago |
| 19:00.42 | tarzeau | evaded: more lik 9 years |
| 19:00.47 | tarzeau | evaded: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
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| 19:00.52 | ooev | ifvoid, tarzeau, valdyn: that's too bad. |
| 19:00.54 | yos87 | tarzeau: I said 5 , actually there is six! |
| 19:00.56 | ifvoid | axolx: if you can reach the machine, ssh to it, and check the X and kernel logs |
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| 19:01.01 | yos87 | tarzeau: sorry for mistake |
| 19:01.13 | unstable | Do some laptops not have an internal speaker? Like a toshiba laptop |
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| 19:01.22 | ifvoid | unstable: most don't I think |
| 19:01.28 | ooev | basically there's a program, takes 100% cpu time when it runs. but i need to run multiple instances of this program |
| 19:01.31 | valdyn | ooev: question is why anyone would limit a processes cpu time they way you seem to be trying |
| 19:01.37 | ifvoid | unstable: beepers are obsolete, anyway |
| 19:01.40 | tarzeau | unstable: toshiba might know |
| 19:01.40 | yos87 | tarzeau: and the web site also is too bad, always, bad request, page not found, tcp/ip error, |
| 19:01.52 | valdyn | ooev: so RUN multiple instances |
| 19:01.57 | tarzeau | yos87: dunno, i don't operate them |
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| 19:02.03 | LinuxHelp | unstable: how is the quality on your toshiba screen? |
| 19:02.13 | valdyn | ooev: you bet the cpu time wont add up to multiples of 100 after that |
| 19:02.14 | tarzeau | yos87: really i'm only from turkey (not even a correct arab), and even that, i live in switzerland |
| 19:02.15 | ifvoid | ooev: the kernel is smart enough to devide processor time between different processes |
| 19:02.17 | yos87 | tarzeau: sure, it's our site, you operate your only |
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| 19:02.25 | evaded | tarzeau: But for now, i think 'fluxbox' are light enought after 'openstep' ? Right? |
| 19:02.27 | bbocaner | cool, my bonding is working perfectly :) thanks, all!! |
| 19:02.29 | tarzeau | yos87: i've got long hair do sports, and like alcoholics. and women in some different way |
| 19:02.39 | unstable | ifvoid: I want 3 beeps when I have 5 minutes left on my battery, but I can't get my system to beep at all. |
| 19:02.46 | ooev | valdyn: that process has a bug i think. waiting for user input. even when it's doing nothing it takes 100% cpu time |
| 19:02.47 | yos87 | tarzeau: I knew, and it's really good from you that you answare my HI |
| 19:02.52 | unstable | I don't want to use the regular speakers, I wanted internal speaker |
| 19:03.02 | unstable | LinuxHelp: Good. |
| 19:03.05 | ifvoid | unstable: you probably need to play a wav instead of beeping |
| 19:03.09 | ooev | valdyn: then if i run 1+ instances, the cpu load goes high. |
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| 19:03.17 | valdyn | ooev: so? |
| 19:03.21 | ooev | the fan never stops |
| 19:03.23 | ifvoid | ooev: yes, that's the definition of laod |
| 19:03.27 | shogunx | unstable what does echo \a do? |
| 19:03.48 | valdyn | ooev: the fan already never stops when you run just one process, having multiples share the 100% wont change that |
| 19:03.51 | ifvoid | ooev: the number of processes running (well, that a simplicfication, but ok) |
| 19:04.12 | evaded | unstable: With the 'beep' cmd? |
| 19:04.25 | valdyn | ooev: system load has no impact on your fan though |
| 19:04.28 | ooev | and the worst thing, even u nice all of them to 19 priority, the system response is VERY slow. |
| 19:04.32 | ifvoid | evaded: he probably doesn't have a bepper |
| 19:04.33 | unstable | evaded: yes |
| 19:04.37 | evaded | unstable: Bash script? When batery low beep beep beep |
| 19:04.37 | unstable | evaded: I modprobed too |
| 19:04.39 | ifvoid | ooev: hmm |
| 19:04.49 | ifvoid | ooev: how much memeory is free? |
| 19:04.49 | evaded | !beep |
| 19:04.49 | dpkg | beep is probably /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 19:04.52 | unstable | evaded: I just want the beep command to work now. |
| 19:04.58 | valdyn | ooev: maybe tell us what piece of shit program you are talking about |
| 19:05.01 | unstable | I know how to do the bash script, but I can't get the beep command to work. |
| 19:05.02 | ifvoid | unstable: you don't have a beeper |
| 19:05.03 | evaded | bajh |
| 19:05.06 | ifvoid | unstable: beep won't work |
| 19:05.09 | ooev | bunch of mem available, i'm using 3.5g here. |
| 19:05.10 | ifvoid | unstable: ^G won't work |
| 19:05.14 | ifvoid | unstable: use a wave player |
| 19:05.22 | ooev | valdyn: it's the cisco 7200 simulator |
| 19:05.32 | ooev | http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator |
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| 19:05.38 | evaded | unstable: or the '\b' i think in python |
| 19:05.46 | ifvoid | ooev: can you put the output of top on paste.debian.net? (when several processes are running) |
| 19:05.58 | XoR_ | how i can configure logrotate to store old logs in this format => /archives/2006/syslog/2006-04-22.gz |
| 19:06.05 | hytll | does sarge not support install26? |
| 19:06.14 | unstable | hytll: no |
| 19:06.15 | ifvoid | XoR_: I don't think it's possible with logrotate |
| 19:06.23 | ifvoid | XoR_: logrotate is kind of primitive |
| 19:06.35 | valdyn | hytll: linux26 |
| 19:06.36 | vin` | hytll: linux26 is probably what you want. |
| 19:06.42 | LinuxHelp | !sarge |
| 19:06.43 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since slice cheese. |
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| 19:06.48 | unstable | shogunx: That gives me a |
| 19:06.50 | ooev | sure, i need 5 minutes. |
| 19:07.19 | vin` | LinuxHelp: please message the bot. |
| 19:07.28 | hytll | linux26 isn't working either. I'm booting from the floppies in http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 19:07.29 | unstable | ifvoid: But a wave player is external speakers, I want internal beeper |
| 19:07.43 | XoR_ | ifvoid: then how i can store logs in this format? |
| 19:07.49 | unstable | evaded: yea, but if the "beep" command doesn't work '\b' in python won't |
| 19:07.51 | PredaGR | I have put CUPS drivers in /usr/share/drivers/PRINTER_NAME and I have print$ share in samba configuration, but cupsaddsmb does not install the driver for windows clients |
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| 19:08.17 | action09 | unstable beep - advanced pc-speaker beeper |
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| 19:08.22 | siplex_ | is it possible to migrate from xorg to xfree (on debian testing)? |
| 19:08.34 | tarzeau | siplex_: but why? |
| 19:08.44 | valdyn | siplex_: no |
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| 19:08.50 | tarzeau | !seen streuner |
| 19:08.50 | Gnea | siplex_: yes |
| 19:08.50 | dpkg | streuner <n=streuner@p54A5CFF1.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 43m 26s ago, saying: 'superlinux: http://www.freeradius.org/list/index.html'. |
| 19:08.52 | siplex_ | tarzeau: problems with ati drivers |
| 19:08.58 | unstable | action09: thanks, I have that program already it doesn't work |
| 19:09.04 | valdyn | siplex_: how are you installing the ati drivers |
| 19:09.04 | tarzeau | siplex_: tried #ati yet? |
| 19:09.06 | ifvoid | siplex_: I got them to work, eventually |
| 19:09.10 | stew | siplex_: xfree would likely have the same drivers anyway |
| 19:09.17 | tarzeau | siplex_: it worked fine when i tried a few weeks ago... don't have ati at home now |
| 19:09.21 | unstable | siplex_: You'll still have problems with fglrx with xfree86 |
| 19:09.21 | tarzeau | siplex_: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ |
| 19:09.24 | siplex_ | valdyn: i installed manually |
| 19:09.26 | unstable | siplex_: Unless you're using xorg 7 |
| 19:09.28 | valdyn | siplex_: how? |
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| 19:09.34 | ifvoid | stew, tarzeau: it has some path issues, basically |
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| 19:09.49 | tarzeau | ifvoid: i also had path issues with nvidia. but it works fine now |
| 19:09.53 | tarzeau | ifvoid: just put the stuff to the right place? |
| 19:09.59 | siplex_ | fglrx works perfectly with xfree |
| 19:09.59 | Gnea | !info xserver-xfree86 etch |
| 19:10.00 | bucky | unstable: modprobe pcspkr |
| 19:10.09 | ifvoid | tarzeau: and ati's packages als have wrong dependencies |
| 19:10.13 | unstable | bucky: I did that already. |
| 19:10.13 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (transitional package for moving from xfree86 to X.Org), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 177 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 19:10.14 | valdyn | siplex_: fglrx works perfectly with xorg too |
| 19:10.19 | tarzeau | man, nobody in switzerland? |
| 19:10.32 | bucky | unstable then it doesnt' work |
| 19:10.50 | unstable | bucky: Do some laptops not have internal speakers? |
| 19:11.00 | valdyn | ifvoid: ati's debs have wrong dependencies? |
| 19:11.08 | siplex_ | valdyn: i have problem, the kernel module recognize my xorg 6.9 as a xorg 7.0 |
| 19:11.08 | ifvoid | unstable: as I told you 3 times already, laptops generally don't have internal speekers |
| 19:11.11 | elkatika | Hi! I have a SATA harddisk. How can i get its actual information, i mean like actual temperature ... . smartctl -a /dev/sda doesn' t seems to work.. . |
| 19:11.37 | valdyn | siplex_: your kernel module does not know what X you are running, and it certainly doesnt recongnise what X you are running |
| 19:11.52 | ifvoid | valdyn: yeah, because of the epoch |
| 19:11.56 | yos87 | valdyn: Hi |
| 19:12.03 | ifvoid | elkatika: hddtemp |
| 19:12.08 | valdyn | yos87: hi |
| 19:12.15 | yos87 | valdyn: how are you |
| 19:12.20 | valdyn | yos87: bored |
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| 19:12.37 | Shadowcat | hey valdyn |
| 19:12.38 | ifvoid | valdyn: but I guess the packaegs in unstable might have been fixed already |
| 19:12.47 | Shadowcat | no unstable is still fucked |
| 19:12.51 | axolx | ifvoid: i could ssh into the machine after the X server crash and found errors in the X log |
| 19:12.56 | Shadowcat | according to #debian-devel anyway |
| 19:12.56 | ifvoid | ah |
| 19:12.58 | axolx | ivoid: should i paste here? |
| 19:13.05 | ifvoid | axolx: no, pleae use paste.debian.net |
| 19:13.20 | yos87 | valdyn: Why bored? I wish it's not your gf make you bored |
| 19:13.31 | ifvoid | Shadowcat: well, I am on amd64 here, so I had to use ati's own driver packages |
| 19:13.41 | ifvoid | Shadowcat: but that took some hacking to get it to work |
| 19:13.41 | evaded | unstable: In Python it was somethings like 'strbell = "\b"'where '\b' are the bad ascii reference here. I not remember and find it |
| 19:14.09 | ifvoid | evaded: he doesn't have a beeper in his laptop |
| 19:14.16 | ifvoid | evaded: so ^G won't work |
| 19:14.26 | axolx | ifvoid: http://paste.debian.net/6147 |
| 19:14.29 | evaded | ifvoid: Ok |
| 19:14.36 | elkatika | ifvoid: thx, it works for my ATA harddisk. For the SATA it says, it doesn' t have a temperature driver, however it' s really new.. . |
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| 19:14.52 | ifvoid | elkatika: are you on unstable? |
| 19:14.55 | ifvoid | axolx: hmm |
| 19:14.58 | ifvoid | axolx: looks bad |
| 19:14.58 | evaded | find! |
| 19:15.08 | ifvoid | axolx: you should probably report this to Xorg |
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| 19:15.32 | ifvoid | axolx: I don't think anyone here will be able to help you solve it |
| 19:15.35 | siplex_ | valdyn: the fglrx can be modprobe with no problem but when i start the X server i got a error on loading fglrx |
| 19:15.37 | axolx | ifvoid: you mean to the irc channel or as a bug ? |
| 19:15.45 | ifvoid | axolx: as a bug |
| 19:15.48 | evaded | It is 'strbell = "\a" print strbell' |
| 19:15.55 | valdyn | siplex_: you still havent told me how you installed fglrx |
| 19:16.03 | valdyn | siplex_: 'manually' is many methods |
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| 19:16.04 | axolx | ifvoid: so for now, how can i return to XFree86? i had no problems with it |
| 19:16.40 | ifvoid | axolx: hmm, it's probably not easy |
| 19:16.57 | elkatika | ifvoid: no, it' s testing. |
| 19:17.06 | ifvoid | axolx: the best way would probably to purge everything X, and then reinstall X from snapshots.debian.net |
| 19:17.14 | valdyn | elkatika: my smartctl gives me information when i try smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 19:17.24 | Shadowcat | ifvoid: I doubt XOrg 7 will uninstall cleanly |
| 19:17.30 | Shadowcat | not in the state it's in now |
| 19:17.31 | axolx | ifvoid: i just want to be able to hibernate my machine. that's really all. Xorg is working fine besides that problem |
| 19:17.33 | ifvoid | elkatika: which kernel are you using? |
| 19:17.34 | valdyn | elkatika: ( including a solution ) |
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| 19:17.53 | elkatika | valdyn: for my ata gives me to, but for the sata it say: Device does not support SMART |
| 19:17.54 | ifvoid | elkatika: I think you need at least 2.6.15 for these ioctl scsi passthoughs |
| 19:17.58 | zinx | elkatika: smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda |
| 19:18.14 | siplex_ | valdyn: i have converted the rpm to .deb with alien, and something like cd /lib/modules/fglrx && sh make.sh && sh make_install.sh |
| 19:18.15 | elkatika | ifvoid: it' s 2.6.8 |
| 19:18.21 | zinx | elkatika: upgrade |
| 19:18.23 | ifvoid | axolx: the best thing would be perhaps to ask first in an Xorg channel if they now of the problem |
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| 19:18.29 | ifvoid | axolx: maybe they have an easy fix |
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| 19:18.39 | ifvoid | elkatika: ah, well |
| 19:18.46 | elkatika | elkatika: well, it' s no problem, i' m on plan to install a debian on the sata this night.. . |
| 19:18.47 | ifvoid | elkatika: it should wotj on 2.6.15 and higher |
| 19:18.56 | ifvoid | elkatika: that has updates to the SATA/SCSI layer |
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| 19:19.15 | valdyn | siplex_: purge this packages, all them them, download the .run file from ati's site, run it, generate debs with it |
| 19:19.26 | axolx | ifvoid: ok. thanks for your help |
| 19:19.26 | ifvoid | valdyn: won't work |
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| 19:19.32 | ooev | i'm back. pasted 'top' to http://paste.debian.net/6148 |
| 19:19.34 | PredaGR | wich windows driver should I use to print to a CUPS server with ppd installed on CUPS? |
| 19:19.38 | elkatika | zinx: for that -d ata smartctl say: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device) |
| 19:19.40 | valdyn | ifvoid: wont work on testing? |
| 19:19.43 | ifvoid | valdyn: the ati package generated wrong dependencies and put the stuff in Xfree paths |
| 19:19.57 | zinx | elkatika: upgrade your kernel |
| 19:19.58 | valdyn | ifvoid: that is ok before xorg7 |
| 19:20.05 | zinx | elkatika: support was added later |
| 19:20.09 | elkatika | ifvoid: thanks, then i' ll compile the newest kernel tonight. |
| 19:20.21 | elkatika | zinx: oh, ok. |
| 19:20.31 | siplex_ | valdyn: thanks, i will try |
| 19:20.49 | valdyn | siplex_: as long as you are not running xorg7, try |
| 19:20.50 | ifvoid | ooev: hmm, those tops don't show you using _any_ cpu power |
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| 19:21.24 | ifvoid | ooev: and I thought you said you had >2GB of mem? |
| 19:21.28 | FallenHitokiri | i get a permission denied when i try to mount a nfs-share. what can i do? (yes i try it as root) |
| 19:21.29 | ooev | there's just two instances. |
| 19:21.39 | FallenHitokiri | i try to mount a share in a vserver |
| 19:21.47 | ifvoid | ooev: but they're not using any cpu |
| 19:21.59 | ifvoid | ooev: you if you experience a sluggy system, it's probably i/o related |
| 19:22.42 | elkatika | Is there any live CD using 2.6.15 or higher? I wanna make cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda, and to see the temperature then |
| 19:23.00 | ooev | ifvoid: i'm showing the result from vmware. need to reboot to get into real linux environment. |
| 19:23.01 | bucky | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:23.01 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 19:23.12 | ifvoid | ooev: ah, I see |
| 19:23.34 | ifvoid | ooev: well, I don't really know anything about vmware |
| 19:23.46 | htrp | is there nero for sarge? |
| 19:23.55 | ifvoid | htrp: nero is a windows program |
| 19:24.04 | ifvoid | htrp: you probably want k3b or gnome-baker |
| 19:24.10 | htrp | ^^^ LOL |
| 19:24.17 | htrp | there's a nero for linux |
| 19:24.21 | Gnea | !nero |
| 19:24.21 | dpkg | i heard nero is a roman emperor, or a coon A program written for M$Windows that can burn cds, among other things. crap |
| 19:24.24 | htrp | what are you talkin about |
| 19:24.25 | htrp | LOL |
| 19:24.27 | htrp | -a |
| 19:24.28 | Gnea | ifvoid: they made a linux version |
| 19:24.32 | valdyn | !lol |
| 19:24.32 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:24.33 | ifvoid | Gnea: my god |
| 19:24.38 | ifvoid | and people are using that? |
| 19:24.42 | htrp | HAHAHAHEHEHEHBWHAHA |
| 19:24.45 | Gnea | ifvoid: where've you been? it's been out for over a year now |
| 19:24.51 | ifvoid | htrp: can yoy stop it, pleae? |
| 19:24.52 | valdyn | its junk? |
| 19:24.54 | Gnea | apparantly |
| 19:25.03 | valdyn | htrp: try k3b or gnomebaker, they're better |
| 19:25.05 | ooev | ifvoid: i'll reboot now... |
| 19:25.07 | ifvoid | why would anyone want to use it, anyway? |
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| 19:25.16 | ifvoid | k3b and gnomebaker are pretty much the same |
| 19:25.23 | ooev | get back soon. |
| 19:25.26 | htrp | it owns k3b and baker |
| 19:25.35 | valdyn | !own |
| 19:25.35 | dpkg | yes yes, xk is my owner, but I bow down to esko valdyn! |
| 19:25.41 | ifvoid | htrp: what can it do that k3b can't? |
| 19:26.01 | valdyn | ifvoid: it uses 'neroapi' omg |
| 19:26.12 | ifvoid | LOLOL NERO rul3z!!!! |
| 19:26.14 | ifvoid | ? |
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| 19:26.19 | htrp | k3b crashes everytime i copy dvd2dvd and nero don't |
| 19:26.25 | ifvoid | doesn't |
| 19:26.26 | jelly-ho | nero for linux is a decent app. |
| 19:26.30 | Gnea | htrp: you smoke crack - there's no difference, nero uses the same tools that k3b and gnomebaker does |
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| 19:26.43 | Gnea | htrp: so download and install it |
| 19:26.46 | htrp | lol |
| 19:26.47 | shogunx | why not just cdrecord? |
| 19:26.56 | ifvoid | I don't trust these proprietary k1ddie shit anyway |
| 19:27.02 | htrp | i have k3b installed |
| 19:27.03 | tarzeau | use graveman ? |
| 19:27.05 | ifvoid | especially if it has to be run as root |
| 19:27.08 | tarzeau | htrp: graveman ? |
| 19:27.17 | unstable | !graveman |
| 19:27.21 | Gnea | htrp: as i said, download and install nero then |
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| 19:27.34 | Eclipser | why isn't CDemu in debian? :o |
| 19:27.36 | htrp | Gnea: i don't even know if there's a stable version |
| 19:27.42 | ifvoid | Eclipser: what;s cdemu? |
| 19:27.47 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 19:27.57 | unstable | !graveman |
| 19:27.57 | dpkg | well, graveman is a free CD burning tool for Linux. It is technically a front-end for cdrecord, mkisofs, readcd, sox, flac, dvd+rw-format, dvd+rw-tools and cdrdao. Graveman is licensed inder the GPL. http://graveman.tuxfamily.org |
| 19:28.13 | valdyn | ifvoid: maps a cd image to a cdrom device |
| 19:28.13 | Gnea | htrp: didn't you learn how to use google? |
| 19:28.26 | Eclipser | ifvoid, kernel module to simulate CD drive |
| 19:28.42 | ifvoid | valdyn: it's called mount |
| 19:28.51 | htrp | ill try that graveman junk |
| 19:28.52 | Eclipser | ifvoid, mount can't mount bin/cue images though |
| 19:28.56 | ifvoid | ah |
| 19:29.06 | ifvoid | Eclipser: but you can jsut convert those to decent iso's |
| 19:29.11 | valdyn | ifvoid: yea, nearly, mount -o loop uses losetup, but you can cdemu audio cds or any cd image |
| 19:29.16 | evaded | dpkg: Need to be are fixed 'inder'? |
| 19:29.18 | dpkg | evaded: okay |
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| 19:29.21 | Eclipser | ifvoid, doesn't work on all images :) |
| 19:29.30 | evaded | oeps |
| 19:29.34 | valdyn | ifvoid: losetup is like a cripppled cdemu |
| 19:29.41 | ifvoid | Eclipser: no, but it doesn work on images that are not copies of windows games |
| 19:29.44 | evaded | dpkg: forget Need to be are fixed 'inder'? |
| 19:29.44 | dpkg | evaded: i didn't have anything called 'need to be are fixed 'inder'?' to forget |
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| 19:30.08 | evaded | How do i undo that ^^? |
| 19:30.12 | Eclipser | ifvoid, didn't work for SVCD :) |
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| 19:30.20 | Tarantulafudge | how do Install multiple versions of apache? |
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| 19:30.25 | shogunx | dpkg: bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 19:30.25 | dpkg | okay, shogunx |
| 19:30.30 | valdyn | Eclipser: now just for an svcd you dont need cdemu |
| 19:30.37 | Eclipser | valdyn, I know Iknow |
| 19:30.43 | xrgtn | Has anybody had problems with cron (3.0pl1-94) and recent libc6 upgrade (2.3.6-7)? |
| 19:30.44 | ifvoid | Eclipser: oh, I've done that a number of times |
| 19:30.48 | evaded | I wanted only to say that there are an typo erno i think by what dpkg say about graveman ...'inder'... |
| 19:30.49 | ifvoid | Eclipser: just extract the mpeg stream |
| 19:30.57 | Tarantulafudge | anyone? |
| 19:30.58 | Eclipser | I was just making a point |
| 19:31.03 | Eclipser | I'm not trying to watch an SVCD :p |
| 19:31.13 | BlackJud1s | How does one compare two directories? |
| 19:31.18 | ifvoid | but anyway, I don't know why debian doesn't have it |
| 19:31.25 | valdyn | BlackJud1s: containing what? |
| 19:31.28 | ifvoid | probably noone is interested in packaging it |
| 19:31.35 | deadcat | just to let you guys know. the industrial icon theme is fixed with 7.0 |
| 19:31.36 | evaded | dpkg: graveman is graveman is a free CD burning tool for Linux. It is technically a front-end for cdrecord, mkisofs, readcd, sox, flac, dvd+rw-format, dvd+rw-tools and cdrdao. Graveman is licensed under the GPL. http://graveman.tuxfamily.org |
| 19:31.36 | dpkg | evaded: what are you talking about? |
| 19:31.49 | evaded | stupid me |
| 19:32.00 | Tarantulafudge | anyone? i'm short ont ime |
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| 19:32.10 | valdyn | Tarantulafudge: we are too |
| 19:32.21 | Tarantulafudge | valdyn: well im shorter |
| 19:32.23 | Tarantulafudge | lol |
| 19:32.36 | shogunx | Tarantulafudge, just apt-get install apache2 if you already have apache installed. |
| 19:32.37 | BlackJud1s | valdyn, comparing file lists... and file sizes? |
| 19:32.47 | valdyn | Tarantulafudge: that is not supported by the debian packages anyway |
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| 19:32.53 | ifvoid | BlackJud1s: diff |
| 19:33.00 | valdyn | BlackJud1s: cmp maybe |
| 19:33.04 | Tarantulafudge | valdyn: how do I modify the source to be seperate then |
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| 19:33.10 | valdyn | BlackJud1s: still dont know how you want to compare exactly |
| 19:33.19 | valdyn | Tarantulafudge: no idea |
| 19:33.22 | shogunx | Tarantulafudge, you can have them bind to different ports/ip addresses. |
| 19:33.35 | User900 | can you help me ? i have debian 1.3 and 2 ISA Ethenet cards 3C509 and kernel does not load driver for both cards only one is configured and 2. kernel says "Device Busy" |
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| 19:33.56 | ifvoid | User900: debian 1.3?! |
| 19:33.59 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 19:33.59 | dpkg | well, tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 19:34.04 | valdyn | Tarantulafudge: why would you want multiple apache's anyway? isnt running multiple instances of one enough hassle? |
| 19:34.11 | BlackJud1s | valdyn, ... ie... files and filesizes... |
| 19:34.12 | StriderZ | dpkg always sounds so sure about things...LOL |
| 19:34.23 | ifvoid | BlackJud1s: diff -Naur dir1 dir2 |
| 19:34.31 | shogunx | User900 when you load the 3c509 module, pass irq=5 to it... this will load the first at irq5 and the second at irq10 |
| 19:34.55 | evaded | dpkg: graveman is a free CD burning tool for Linux. It is technically a front-end for cdrecord, mkisofs, readcd, sox, flac, dvd+rw-format, dvd+rw-tools and cdrdao. Graveman is licensed under the GPL. http://graveman.tuxfamily.org |
| 19:34.55 | dpkg | ...but graveman is already something else... |
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| 19:35.03 | shogunx | User900 3c509 tries to make every card irq10 |
| 19:35.05 | evaded | okay, forget my |
| 19:35.28 | evaded | Just wanted to correct an little tipo error |
| 19:35.31 | axolx | ifvoid: i started playing with xorg.conf to see if i could make the screen crash problem go away. i narrowed it down to the color depth setting. i had it at 24bits. if i change it to 16bits, the problem disappears. |
| 19:35.41 | ifvoid | axolx: ah |
| 19:35.45 | ifvoid | axolx: and if you try 32? |
| 19:35.54 | axolx | ifvoid: im scared to :) |
| 19:36.00 | quitte_ | dpkg: no, graveman is a free CD burning tool for Linux. It is technically a front-end for cdrecord, mkisofs, readcd, sox, flac, dvd+rw-format, dvd+rw-tools and cdrdao. Graveman is licensed under the GPL. http://graveman.tuxfamily.org |
| 19:36.01 | dpkg | quitte_: okay |
| 19:36.02 | ifvoid | most cards can't do 24 bits anyway |
| 19:36.11 | ifvoid | because of alignment issues and such |
| 19:36.28 | axolx | ifvoid: i wonder if it has to do with the fact that i did not specify VideoRam in the video card Device section |
| 19:36.36 | ifvoid | axolx: but if you're on a laptop, you screen is probably 16 bit anyway |
| 19:36.46 | ifvoid | axolx: unlikely |
| 19:36.58 | axolx | ifvoid: im on a laptop. how can i find out the screen's color depth? |
| 19:37.02 | ifvoid | axolx: mmoderns videocards have much more memory than is nedded for 2D |
| 19:37.11 | ifvoid | axolx: and it's autodetected anyway |
| 19:37.26 | valdyn | axolx: you mean the color depth our screen supports? |
| 19:37.32 | valdyn | axolx: you mean the color depth your screen supports? |
| 19:37.34 | ifvoid | axolx: LCD screens are 16bit, unless you have a very expensive one |
| 19:37.36 | quitte | evaded: seen how i did it? |
| 19:37.51 | axolx | ifvoid: certainly not very expensive. i've got a standard dell |
| 19:37.57 | evaded | quitte: hhhmmm |
| 19:37.59 | ifvoid | then it's just 16bit |
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| 19:38.11 | User900 | to: shogunx IRQ10 on both cards ? |
| 19:38.32 | ifvoid | User900: each card needs a seprate icq |
| 19:38.35 | ifvoid | (isa card, that is) |
| 19:38.36 | axolx | ifvoid: sweet. thanks very much |
| 19:38.36 | htrp | ok, i uninstalled k3b, but when i type: 'k3b' it says this: bash: /usr/bin/k3b: No such file or directory ?? |
| 19:38.46 | ifvoid | htrp: uh yeah |
| 19:38.51 | htrp | how am i gon be able to uninstall it completely? |
| 19:38.58 | ifvoid | htrp: that's becaus eyou unistaleld it |
| 19:38.59 | evaded | quitte: I have talk a bit with dpkg in private an he have say me the 'no' i have try i and have not work. So now need to re add it ;-) |
| 19:39.14 | valdyn | htrp: its uninstalled, what's your issue? |
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| 19:39.40 | shogunx | User900 I had this probelm myself once. You cannot share irq on an ISA bus, so you must specify irq=5 (or 9) to the 3c509 module when it loads... the second card will automatically be assigned irq=10 |
| 19:39.40 | htrp | back then it say: bash: k3b: command not found |
| 19:39.41 | evaded | quitte: I have not try 'no graveman is ...' only 'no graveman' |
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| 19:39.51 | ooev | hi i'm back. |
| 19:39.54 | ifvoid | htrp: rehash |
| 19:39.57 | evaded | quitte: Set you the correct again? |
| 19:40.00 | User900 | ->ifvoid now: first card have IRQ 5 IO 300 and second card have IRQ 10 and IO 360 |
| 19:40.02 | ooev | please take a look at http://paste.debian.net/6149 |
| 19:40.07 | htrp | rehash what? |
| 19:40.14 | ooev | three instances and load > 4 |
| 19:40.15 | ifvoid | htrp: the command |
| 19:40.16 | quitte | evaded: then you would have wanted to say forget graveman |
| 19:40.19 | htrp | how? |
| 19:40.25 | ifvoid | or hash -r, for promitive shells |
| 19:40.33 | ifvoid | htrp: just type "rehash" |
| 19:40.52 | valdyn | ooev: nothing unusual about that |
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| 19:41.01 | htrp | or thanks |
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| 19:41.05 | ifvoid | ooev: hmm, looks good |
| 19:41.07 | htrp | rehash wont work |
| 19:41.11 | FallenHitokiri | hi. i get mount: RPC: Program not registered when i try to mount a nfs server. i know that there is a package missing on my client but i have no idea which one |
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| 19:41.14 | htrp | i just did hash -r |
| 19:41.18 | ifvoid | ooev: but it's still sluggish? |
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| 19:41.23 | evaded | quitte: I'm a bit confused because you use 'no graveman wiht under' and not 'inder', the word that was bad |
| 19:41.45 | htrp | what's the diff between purging and removing? |
| 19:41.52 | ooev | ifvoid: well, it's not... |
| 19:41.52 | User900 | -> shogunx yes, but first have now irq 5 and io 300and second irq 10 and io 360 but still not working |
| 19:41.56 | ifvoid | htrp: purging also removes config files |
| 19:42.01 | htrp | oh ic |
| 19:42.07 | ifvoid | ooev: uh, then waht's the problem? |
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| 19:42.19 | evaded | quitte: I guess that you have play with dpkg in private room and had already correct it |
| 19:42.21 | htrp | !gnomebaker |
| 19:42.26 | htrp | what was it? |
| 19:42.27 | ifvoid | User900: uh, are you sure you are using the correct irqs/ios? |
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| 19:42.38 | ifvoid | User900: like, the ones you put into the cards? |
| 19:42.51 | quitte | evaded no, i just copy and pasted what you said and added a no, in the beginning |
| 19:42.56 | ooev | the author provides cygwin version of this program |
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| 19:43.14 | ooev | i was trying to run it under xp, sluggish. |
| 19:43.23 | ooev | it's all my fault. |
| 19:43.28 | shogunx | User900 are you sure that eth0 is still recognized as eth0 by the kernel, and not eth1? |
| 19:43.39 | evaded | quitte: ok, it's looks good now :-) Thanks for you're help man ;-) |
| 19:43.46 | valdyn | ooev: xp has a really lame task scheduling compared to linux.. |
| 19:44.10 | User900 | card are configured with correct IRQ and IO IRQ5 and 10 IO 300 and 360 but does not work |
| 19:44.11 | ooev | valdyn: i agree. |
| 19:44.23 | ooev | must worse than in linux |
| 19:44.29 | ooev | s/must/much/ |
| 19:44.38 | shogunx | User900 ifconfig eth0 gives you output, correct? what about ifconfig eth1? |
| 19:44.58 | ooev | i'm really sorry about this. bullshiting so long time. |
| 19:45.07 | User900 | to shogunx yes only first card is recognized and second does not work eth1 was not created and eth1 is invalid |
| 19:45.20 | xixor | hey everyone, I just installed sarge, and it uses kernel 2.6.8-2 which apparantely has some vulnerabilities. Which kernel is the recommended up grade then for sarge? kernel-image-2.6.8-386 or kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386? Thanks |
| 19:45.31 | User900 | ifconfig says invalid interface |
| 19:45.39 | ifvoid | xixor: check the security archives |
| 19:45.41 | shogunx | User900 so the first card is IRQ 5? in /proc/interrupts? |
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| 19:45.46 | valdyn | xixor: debian provides security bugfixes for that kernel.. |
| 19:45.55 | User900 | yes |
| 19:45.58 | valdyn | xixor: i think you should already have the source for that in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:46.02 | xixor | ahh |
| 19:46.02 | xixor | ok |
| 19:46.08 | ifvoid | xixor: http://www.us.debian.org/security/ |
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| 19:46.14 | shogunx | User900 try modprobe 3c509 now, without passing an irq to it. |
| 19:46.18 | xixor | yeah, I did all the security updates during the net install, so it should be patched then eh? |
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| 19:46.22 | ifvoid | http://www.us.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1017 specifically |
| 19:46.25 | ooev | thank you all... |
| 19:46.25 | valdyn | xixor: your kernel version should contain a sargeX |
| 19:46.32 | shogunx | while eth0=irq5 |
| 19:46.44 | valdyn | xixor: dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 19:46.56 | User900 | it does not work it found only one card (the last) and other ingnores |
| 19:47.09 | randability | Hey, does anyone think they can help me install a serial mouse? My ps/2-port worked fine with PnP, but this one doesn't. |
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| 19:47.19 | evaded | User900: 'dmesg' say you nothings about it? And the log files? |
| 19:47.20 | valdyn | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 19:47.21 | htrp | what's the latest and stable kernel for sarge? |
| 19:47.24 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 13728 kB, Installed size: 41244 kB |
| 19:47.25 | Astral_Projectio | hi. can some tell me how to make midi work? |
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| 19:47.36 | xixor | valdyn: looks like I have kernel-image-2.6.8-16sarge1 |
| 19:47.41 | Astral_Projectio | it says to me that there's no /dev/sequencer |
| 19:47.49 | evaded | !midi |
| 19:47.50 | dpkg | methinks midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 19:48.02 | zenwryly | I can't get get glx direct rendering to work in my intel 855 graphics. Anyone got any pointers for that? |
| 19:48.17 | vin` | zenwryly: xorg 7? |
| 19:48.22 | User900 | dmesg shows only one card eth0 |
| 19:48.27 | zenwryly | vin`: yeah |
| 19:48.38 | Astral_Projectio | zenwryly, what graphic card? |
| 19:48.49 | zenwryly | Astral_Projectio: intel 855 |
| 19:48.51 | vin` | zenwryly: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 19:48.57 | zenwryly | Astral_Projectio: onboard |
| 19:48.59 | evaded | User900: In the log files are there somethings when he try to detect it? |
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| 19:49.13 | zenwryly | vin`: shit, did I miss somerthing? I'll read it again. So sorry if I missed it |
| 19:49.15 | valdyn | xixor: that's a metapackage, not the kernel package itself |
| 19:49.16 | Astral_Projectio | zenwryly, you have drivers for that included with X i think |
| 19:49.19 | User900 | nothing in logs ,so i have disabled PnP in 3COM config tool |
| 19:49.25 | Astral_Projectio | i think that driver is i855 |
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| 19:50.01 | Astral_Projectio | do I have to recompile kernel to get midi work?? |
| 19:50.02 | User900 | and cards cannot have other IRQ than that is set in config |
| 19:50.07 | zenwryly | Astral_Projectio: yeah, dmesg and Xorg.0.og all look right |
| 19:50.15 | User900 | when PnP is off |
| 19:50.15 | evaded | User900: Try to plug that card in another pci bus or so? I guess... But i have see sometimes that it work then |
| 19:50.30 | Astral_Projectio | zenwryly, what does $glxinfo | grep rendering tell to you? |
| 19:50.50 | vin` | zenwryly: the part about DRI and i915 may apply for i855 as well. |
| 19:50.54 | valdyn | xixor: you should have a newer kernel than what dpkg showed, it appearantly doesnt list security fixes |
| 19:50.56 | User900 | ->evaded No that are 2 ISA Cards |
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| 19:51.18 | evaded | User900: Have you not another ISA slot free? |
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| 19:51.32 | xixor | valdyn: Hm., I did a dpkg -l | grep image |
| 19:51.51 | shogunx | User900, it was some time ago when i did it... under potato release of debian, iirc. |
| 19:51.55 | zenwryly | vin`: yeah, totally |
| 19:52.02 | shogunx | User900, i'm trying to remember. |
| 19:52.03 | valdyn | xixor: that will show your real kernel image too, the one with the architecture in it, like -386 or -686 |
| 19:52.08 | zenwryly | Astral_Projectio: it tells me no :) I think vin` has my solution |
| 19:52.17 | User900 | ->evaded no i have 2 slots free now it causes problems if i plug it into other slot. |
| 19:52.39 | xixor | valdyn : hm... doesnt seem too |
| 19:53.25 | User900 | ->shogunx It's an I486 machine that must work as proxy and firewall |
| 19:53.44 | valdyn | xixor: look again, your system cant work without that.. it cant even booth without that |
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| 19:53.55 | User900 | i try debian potato but it's so slow |
| 19:54.01 | randability | Where is the location to the mouse usually mounted? |
| 19:54.01 | shogunx | User900 iirc, i had to turn a serial port off in the bios, and use its irq. 3 or 4. |
| 19:54.13 | xixor | valdyn: It only lists kernel-image-2 and initrd-tools |
| 19:54.32 | valdyn | xixor: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 maybe |
| 19:54.48 | User900 | ->shogunx no IRQs are free in this is not ! |
| 19:55.00 | Astral_Projectio | does some know about MIDI? I get: "Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG" |
| 19:55.05 | shogunx | User900 that was for 3 cards, i think. |
| 19:55.05 | Astral_Projectio | but what config? |
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| 19:55.23 | randability | Astral_Projectio: What do you try playing it on? |
| 19:55.42 | Astral_Projectio | C-Media PCI CMI8738 |
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| 19:55.58 | DoggieDave | hello |
| 19:56.02 | randability | Astral_Projectio: With what? |
| 19:56.23 | xixor | valdyn: hm.. if I dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 I get some information |
| 19:56.25 | Astral_Projectio | randability, you min with what program? :) |
| 19:56.30 | User900 | ->shgunx yes , now 3 ISA cards, but remember if you don't understand me then please be patient my english is not very good |
| 19:56.33 | unstable | When I start network-manager on gnome, it prompts me for my root password, and I give it, and in a gui I can edit the network settings, connect to wireless/wired etc. I am running debian unstable, and I grabbed "wifi-radar" from ubuntu(this is the first time I've done this)..and it works fine. I can run it via "sux root wifi-radar" and it runs great. But how can I add wifi-radar to gnome so when it's clicked on...a root password prompt pops up an |
| 19:56.37 | randability | Astral_Projectio: yar. |
| 19:56.40 | shogunx | User900 i would not use potato for a firewall. those packages are not security updated. |
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| 19:57.10 | evaded | xixor: The both's been work here :-. |
| 19:57.11 | Astral_Projectio | randability, KMid |
| 19:57.13 | shogunx | User900 please be patient with me for not knowing move languages:) |
| 19:57.23 | Astral_Projectio | randability, it tells me that i don't have /dev/sequencer |
| 19:57.38 | xixor | evaded: what do you mean? |
| 19:57.40 | User900 | no,no potato runs slow on 486 i'm using Debian BO (1.3.1) |
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| 19:57.57 | randability | Astral_Projectio: I don't know about KMid, but I know timidity works. |
| 19:58.15 | DoggieDave | anybody wanna chat about anything |
| 19:58.19 | evaded | xixor: that 'dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386' and 'dpkg -l | grep image' been show some output here on the Stable version |
| 19:58.29 | User900 | but i have found on Google this: "Kernel must be configured for more devices" |
| 19:58.31 | randability | apt-get install timidity should do it |
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| 19:58.38 | _fjh_ | Hi, my USB-mouse is not working initially in gdm. I have to switch to console and back [ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+alt+f7] to make it work. I use debian/testing. Any suspects which part could cause this? |
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| 19:58.49 | shogunx | User900 1.3.1, that is before my time. the irq trick worked with potato for me, and i have since moved to 3c905's. |
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| 19:58.52 | Astral_Projectio | randability, i'm installing it now :) |
| 19:59.08 | Blissex | _fjh_: the mouse probably is a bit odd/nonstandard... |
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| 19:59.26 | Blissex | _fjh_: if it is a PS/2 mouse, try a higher baud rate and sample rate. |
| 19:59.29 | DoggieDave | how difficult is it to set up dual os with win and linux? |
| 19:59.45 | evaded | DoggieDave: Peace of cake |
| 19:59.45 | dondelelcaro | DoggieDave: not that difficult; the installer will do it automatically. |
| 20:00.03 | DoggieDave | i am running knoppix live cd now |
| 20:00.25 | _fjh_ | Blissex: it is a USB mouse, not PS/2, or do I misunderstand you? |
| 20:00.26 | User900 | -> shogunx but IRQs are FREE i'm thinking if isn't in the kernel configuration for more devices -> ? |
| 20:00.31 | evaded | DoggieDave: Knoppix can be installed on the hard disk like the Debian way btw |
| 20:00.55 | DoggieDave | will it erase files when i reboot? |
| 20:00.59 | Blissex | _fjh_: if it is a USB mouse then probably it is buggy -- most USB stuff is a bit buggy. |
| 20:01.04 | evaded | DoggieDave: Not that i want that you use Knoppix! |
| 20:01.07 | randability | DoggieDave: You'll need to repartition. |
| 20:01.21 | Astral_Projectio | it tells me to check configuration file.. but it is ok.. |
| 20:01.27 | randability | Which isn't that hard with Knoppix's handy tools. :D |
| 20:01.36 | evaded | DoggieDave: Make backup of you're important data on all hard disk, in case of you choose the bad one ;-) |
| 20:01.52 | User900 | in /etc/mtab or what's the name of the file . |
| 20:02.03 | _fjh_ | Blissex. That is my impression too. It worked around november/dezember and sometimes after moving from Xfree to xorg it stopped. |
| 20:02.07 | DoggieDave | i have spare hd maybe i should make it only for knoppix |
| 20:02.13 | evaded | DoggieDave: If you have no experience, you can keep quickly some one, beginning with an good backup |
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| 20:02.33 | DoggieDave | i have some |
| 20:02.46 | Blissex | DoggieDave: if you have a spare HD, make a Knoppix partition of say 8-12GB and leave the rest for /home |
| 20:03.02 | DoggieDave | k |
| 20:03.07 | shogunx | User900, i do not recall having to set a kernel config option for that. 2.2.19 i think i did it on. |
| 20:03.32 | shogunx | User900 I did have pnp enabled. |
| 20:03.47 | DoggieDave | when i reboot will it erase hd like it does ram or is that just what ram does |
| 20:04.12 | User900 | -> shogunx because ? |
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| 20:04.53 | shogunx | User900 pnp might be the part that brings the second interface up on irq10 |
| 20:05.13 | _fjh_ | Blissex: what I am wondering is if there is a way to debug this. I am a bit lost with all the dynamic stuff like udev involved nowadays. |
| 20:05.51 | User900 | -> shogunx Question: Do you can other language than english for example German ??? |
| 20:05.53 | Blissex | _fjh_: this and 'udev' are not related. However I agree that overcomplex and underdocumented setups like 'udev' complicate matters. |
| 20:06.00 | DoggieDave | do you recommend knoppix or another Linux os |
| 20:06.01 | Astral_Projectio | can comeone tell me how to probe this module? snd_enable_midi. It says that it doesnt exist.. |
| 20:06.01 | Astral_Projectio | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-howto/x750.htm |
| 20:06.05 | shogunx | User900 i was trial and error learning at the time, and wanted to build a ring... i had a pile of pentium 100's and 3c509s that i got from a dumpster. |
| 20:06.15 | Blissex | _fjh_: the practical side of the matter is that USB stuff costs so little that getting another one is easier than debugging. |
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| 20:06.29 | shogunx | User900 poquito espanol, pero, no deutche. |
| 20:06.31 | evaded | DoggieDave: I recommend Debian |
| 20:06.42 | DoggieDave | oh ty |
| 20:06.42 | valdyn | _fjh_: is gpm installed? |
| 20:06.56 | DoggieDave | is it secure like knoppix\ |
| 20:07.18 | _fjh_ | valdyn, no gpm |
| 20:07.21 | Blissex | DoggieDave: Knoppix and Debian are much the same, Knoppix is a bit easier to setup. Same for Ubuntu, which is a bit in between. |
| 20:07.33 | _fjh_ | Blissex, this is no fun |
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| 20:08.12 | randability | Does anyone know where the mouse device is mounted? |
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| 20:08.20 | valdyn | !mount |
| 20:08.20 | dpkg | well, mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 20:08.28 | User900 | ->shogunx i have reconfigured cards and PNp is ON and autoprobe does nothing , so only one card. |
| 20:08.34 | Eulex | randability, haha, you don't mount a mouse device |
| 20:08.38 | Astral_Projectio | !cmipci |
| 20:08.43 | randability | Mounted/Defined |
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| 20:08.44 | randability | :P |
| 20:08.56 | randability | I just recently made the change from win to linux, give me a break. :P |
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| 20:09.10 | valdyn | User900: is this isa cards? |
| 20:09.15 | Eulex | randability, hehe, ps/2 mice are usually at /dev/psaux, usb mice are usually at /dev/input/mice |
| 20:09.28 | randability | Right now, I have a 3-button serial. |
| 20:09.31 | randability | It's |
| 20:09.34 | DoggieDave | where is the best place to get debian |
| 20:09.38 | User900 | ->valdyn yes 3 ISA CARDS |
| 20:09.39 | randability | ttyS0 |
| 20:09.40 | randability | Or something. |
| 20:09.43 | evaded | DoggieDave: Internet!!! |
| 20:09.43 | zinx | DoggieDave: debian.org |
| 20:09.51 | DoggieDave | im looking |
| 20:09.55 | Eulex | randability, yeah, /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:09.56 | valdyn | User900: and they are each set to pnp themselves? or are plain isapnp cards? |
| 20:10.08 | randability | Eulex: I'll cat it, see if I get anything./ |
| 20:10.17 | Eulex | randability, that's right |
| 20:10.20 | shogunx | plain isapnp. |
| 20:10.24 | randability | Mmm. Nothing. |
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| 20:10.36 | valdyn | User900: are you using the isapnptools ? |
| 20:10.40 | User900 | ->valdyn each is configured to use PnP |
| 20:10.43 | Eulex | randability, dunno if it works on serial mice. works on ps/2 and usb mice, though. |
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| 20:11.02 | randability | I'm assuming the mouse doesn't work. |
| 20:11.15 | randability | It fails with GPM and X doesn't function to it either. |
| 20:11.27 | valdyn | User900: i always avoided using isapnp, if you can switch that off i'd do that, otherwise you probably must use isapnptools |
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| 20:11.39 | User900 | ->valdyn modprobe 3c509 with parameters or without paramethers but functionaly still same |
| 20:11.55 | yos87 | How to install .deb files? |
| 20:11.57 | Eulex | randability, hmm, sorry, I'm not very familiar with serial mice |
| 20:12.02 | Eulex | yos87, dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 20:12.03 | randability | Alright, thanks. |
| 20:12.08 | valdyn | User900: that module cant do isapnp, it will just use the current card config |
| 20:12.21 | randability | I'll have to see if I can get some config with PnP or hotplug |
| 20:12.40 | valdyn | User900: unless this is another fake isapnp card like some fritz cards used to be |
| 20:13.05 | Eulex | randability, a serial mouse certainly won't do PnP. and thus hotplug wont |
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| 20:13.25 | Eulex | ...probably won't be able to detect it |
| 20:14.01 | valdyn | User900: isapnpdump should dump usable configurations for each card too |
| 20:14.19 | yos87 | Eulex: i try to install dillo, it tell , v |
| 20:14.22 | yos87 | dillo depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1); however: |
| 20:14.23 | User900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.23 | User900 | * damosu has quit IRC (Remote closed |
| 20:14.30 | yos87 | Eulex: and other things |
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| 20:14.41 | valdyn | User900: uh? already using? |
| 20:14.41 | User900 | mirc stagned |
| 20:14.41 | damosu | User900, ? |
| 20:15.12 | User900 | -> damosu Sorry |
| 20:15.18 | User900 | etc/modules: 3c509 irq=5 io=0x360 <newline> 3c509 irq=10 io=0x300<newline> 3c509 irq=11 io=2D0 |
| 20:15.47 | Eulex | yos87, that almost certainly means that you've got sarge, and you're mixing it with testing or unstable |
| 20:15.52 | User900 | in the last is error io=0x2d0 |
| 20:15.53 | evaded | yos87: Why do you not do 'apt-get install dillo'? |
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| 20:16.17 | valdyn | User900: does /etc/modules even support supplying module parameters? |
| 20:16.46 | Astral_Projectio | can someone tell me why kde programs late when I'm connected to the internet? I click konqueror icon and it starts after a minute.. this doesn't happen when I'm offline.. |
| 20:17.18 | _fjh_ | randability: did you try mdetect? |
| 20:17.19 | ACU | question - it seem that Debian Sarge R2 has almost all application at least 3 years old ---- is any way to have them updated in from a CD (without internet access)? |
| 20:17.25 | Eulex | yos87, ah, you did dpkg -i on a file. well, you can't install that .deb if you don't get the libc6 from testing or unstable along with some other stuff. which you shouldn't do, as mixing sarge and testing/unstable is bad. |
| 20:17.28 | randability | _fjh_: Ooo. I'll try that now. |
| 20:17.29 | valdyn | User900: ah yea it does |
| 20:18.13 | valdyn | ACU: i doubt that |
| 20:18.19 | valdyn | ACU: that sarge apps are that old |
| 20:18.28 | randability | _fjh_: mdetect -n returns nothing |
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| 20:18.39 | yos87 | Eulex: how to install the libc9? |
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| 20:19.07 | valdyn | yos87: does not exist |
| 20:19.09 | Eulex | yos87, I already told you; you don't. |
| 20:19.20 | evaded | yos87: Have you been unstand what people are trying to tell you? |
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| 20:19.35 | ACU | so I have to download one by one (hopefully at least as deb and update them somehow manually- what a task.. ---I see OpenOffice is version 1.1 - I know version 2.0 is prety stable etc |
| 20:19.38 | User900 | but with this modules is output: first and second card: Device or resource busy and last card:eth0 . .. (OK) |
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| 20:20.00 | valdyn | User900: are you using isapnptools? |
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| 20:20.17 | _fjh_ | randability: maybe as root? |
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| 20:20.27 | randability | As root, yep. |
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| 20:20.49 | yos87 | evaded: Hi, sorry, I ment what is the apt command, It's much better for me then apt-cache search, It will reduce time, I'm sorry again |
| 20:21.09 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: run strace konqueror in a shell and see where its hanging |
| 20:21.21 | evaded | yos87: No sorry, you need to learn some things. It's not you're fault if you not know about it |
| 20:21.25 | User900 | -> valdyn No |
| 20:21.28 | Eulex | yos87, apt-get install dillo? |
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| 20:21.40 | SPTR | Hola |
| 20:21.43 | shogunx | User900 I might have one of the hard disks from the original ring here. I will look, and can tell you the solution. |
| 20:21.49 | Astral_Projectio | connect(11, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16 |
| 20:21.49 | Astral_Projectio | here |
| 20:21.58 | valdyn | ACU: backports.org has new software for sarge |
| 20:21.59 | _fjh_ | randability: no more ideas, sorry. |
| 20:22.05 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, oh, that one's familiar |
| 20:22.05 | evaded | yos87: Install dillo with 'apt-get install dillo' |
| 20:22.06 | valdyn | ACU: including oo.org2 iirc |
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| 20:22.15 | yos87 | Eluex: Thank you , Thant what I ment, But I had the same error |
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| 20:22.22 | Astral_Projectio | ;p |
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| 20:22.27 | yos87 | evaded: the same error |
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| 20:22.56 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, I had the following error today, from mpd: "bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6600), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 EADDRNOTAVAIL (Cannot assign requested address)" |
| 20:23.03 | valdyn | User900: use the isapnptools, if you cards are isapnp then isapnpdump can dump the correct configuration for you |
| 20:23.12 | randability | _fjh_: Alright, thanks for the help. |
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| 20:23.15 | evaded | yos87: Post the content of you're '/etc/apt/sources.list' on pastebin, so that we can help you to back again to Stable or so |
| 20:23.18 | Astral_Projectio | Eulex, so how should I fix this? |
| 20:23.33 | evaded | yos87: Know you about pastebin? |
| 20:24.06 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, I don't know. I couldn't fix it. or, rather, the fix was to not bind mpd to localhost, but instead make it bind automatically to all interfaces. |
| 20:24.12 | kristof | Can someone shed some light on this problem : I just dist-upgraded my sid, but it seems to have removed xorg... |
| 20:24.12 | quitte | evaded maybe he still is on stable? i'd recommend him to try to dpkg --remove dillo. then apt-get install it |
| 20:24.15 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, what kernel are you using, btw? |
| 20:24.19 | yos87 | evaded: I don't know pastebin, I usuall if I past sth big, I go out the channel (^^) |
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| 20:24.34 | Astral_Projectio | Eulex, 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:24.41 | evaded | !tell yos87 about pastebin |
| 20:24.43 | quitte | kristof: first thing in the topic ;) |
| 20:24.47 | User900 | isapnpdump: command not found |
| 20:24.51 | valdyn | kristof: apt-get install xorg |
| 20:24.54 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, hmm, ok. got a patched 2.6.15 here. |
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| 20:25.13 | valdyn | User900: so install it |
| 20:25.14 | evaded | yos87: Have you see what quitte have say me? |
| 20:25.39 | User900 | is here anyone who talks Czech ? |
| 20:25.41 | kristof | valdyn: 'apt-get install xorg' fails on missing deps; some deps are uninstalable |
| 20:25.48 | Eulex | !cz |
| 20:25.48 | quitte | !cz |
| 20:25.48 | dpkg | cz is, like, Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 20:25.49 | Astral_Projectio | hm |
| 20:25.49 | zasz | Yes! I got the debian installer working on this Powerbook G3. What packages do I need to get fluxbox working on this thing |
| 20:25.52 | Eulex | :P |
| 20:25.52 | Astral_Projectio | so it's because of kernel? |
| 20:26.00 | yos87 | evaded: i did ot notic, I was busy with dpkg tab, sorry |
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| 20:26.06 | Astral_Projectio | !yu |
| 20:26.07 | dpkg | from memory, yu is Serbia and Montenegro, part of the former Yugoslavia |
| 20:26.07 | Astral_Projectio | ;p |
| 20:26.29 | Eulex | Astral_Projectio, I don't know. what I know is that I was running a 2.6.14 before I had to reinstall, and back then everything was working. may be because of other things too, of course. |
| 20:26.37 | evaded | yos87: Try to remove that package you have installed 'dpkg --remove dillo' |
| 20:26.47 | Astral_Projectio | hm ok ok |
| 20:27.03 | Astral_Projectio | do you know how to make MIDI working? :) |
| 20:27.12 | yos87 | evaded: ok, done, Package removed |
| 20:27.13 | da4n1 | ls |
| 20:27.25 | evaded | yos87: And try to install it now with apt |
| 20:27.40 | zasz | im guessing xfree86 and fluxbox eheh |
| 20:27.46 | quitte | Astral_Projectio: that's a pretty tough question. what kind of midi are you talking about? just play .mid files? |
| 20:27.50 | yos87 | evaded: Working (^^) |
| 20:27.58 | Astral_Projectio | quitte, yes |
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| 20:28.03 | yos87 | evaded: I think quitte is smart |
| 20:28.05 | Astral_Projectio | just playing midi files |
| 20:28.18 | Astral_Projectio | quitte, i don't have /dev/sequencor nor /dev/midi |
| 20:28.18 | quitte | Astral_Projectio: install timidity and read its docs in usr/share/doc |
| 20:28.28 | User900 | ->dpkg tam nikdo neni (only 2 persons) |
| 20:28.28 | Astral_Projectio | I have timidity |
| 20:28.29 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: timidity |
| 20:28.53 | evaded | yos87: If you need some packages. First thing to do, 'apt-cache search <package>' then 'apt-get update && apt-get install <package>' |
| 20:29.03 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: just use timidity to play midi files |
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| 20:29.34 | Astral_Projectio | timidity: Can't read any configuration file. |
| 20:29.35 | Astral_Projectio | Please check /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg |
| 20:29.42 | Astral_Projectio | but I have config file in /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg |
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| 20:29.53 | evaded | yos87: The first command is to search an pkg, the second update the list of all packages(ALWAYS do it before installing somethings) and as least installing the pkg |
| 20:29.59 | zasz | in general does xfce load apps faster then fluxbox |
| 20:30.06 | valdyn | zasz: no |
| 20:30.14 | zasz | good to knwo |
| 20:30.24 | oboy | hi, how do i setup a custom paper size in cups?, which file do i have to edit if any |
| 20:30.28 | zasz | which uses less ram in it's default state, with no apps running |
| 20:30.36 | valdyn | zasz: fluxbox |
| 20:30.38 | yos87 | evaded: Yes, Thank you |
| 20:30.44 | valdyn | zasz: but default state is quite irrelevant |
| 20:30.54 | User900 | -> valdyn I have found only isapnptl.deb package in my library |
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| 20:31.05 | valdyn | !info isapnptools sarge |
| 20:31.07 | dpkg | isapnptools: (ISA Plug-And-Play configuration utilities.), section base, is extra. Version: 1.26-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 117 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 20:31.12 | valdyn | !info isapnptools etch |
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| 20:31.17 | valdyn | !info isapnptools sid |
| 20:31.34 | zasz | valdyn: you mean that one desktop could use more ram on apps then the other? |
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| 20:32.05 | valdyn | zasz: i mean that the lowest ram usage is irrelevant, you really only care for ram when its getting low |
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| 20:32.47 | zasz | valdyn: this is a powermac g3 with 96mb of ram :) |
| 20:33.05 | shogunx | User900 i have found the hard disk, however, my wife insists that i go with her. i will mount the disk when we return. |
| 20:33.14 | Astral_Projectio | can I make GTK1 (xmms) apps look like Qt, I have gtk-qt engine but that's for gtk2.. |
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| 20:33.53 | valdyn | zasz: xfce should run fine on that, fluxbox too, none of both will nicely run firefox i guess |
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| 20:34.23 | oboy | i have been reading linuxprinting.org and found no anwser |
| 20:34.34 | ACU | and the stupid questions come --- is anyway to Burn on DVD the Backport packages and then have them at will installed (is because no internet access is available ? |
| 20:34.50 | valdyn | ACU: apt-cache show apt-zip |
| 20:34.52 | moke1809 | hi guys |
| 20:35.11 | valdyn | ACU: or just download the packages, burn them and copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:35.13 | moke1809 | does anybody know how much of gnoe 2.14 is already in etch |
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| 20:35.17 | User900 | ->valdyn isapnptools installed |
| 20:35.39 | moke1809 | after an update-upgrade i'm geting a 2.14 welcome screan |
| 20:35.51 | valdyn | User900: read its documentation, run isapnpdump after that, read its output |
| 20:35.57 | snake_mas_mas | hi i have a problem when config my sound card, is a CX20468-31 AC97 ,i using debian etch |
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| 20:36.20 | valdyn | !info gnome-terminal etch |
| 20:36.23 | dpkg | gnome-terminal: (The GNOME 2 terminal emulator application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 173 kB, Installed size: 364 kB |
| 20:36.43 | valdyn | moke1809: most things i would guess, but not nautilus |
| 20:37.12 | moke1809 | man, i was away 10days and already big changes |
| 20:37.24 | moke1809 | apt-get show gnome-core 2.12.3 |
| 20:37.41 | moke1809 | not really only nautilus |
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| 20:38.02 | valdyn | moke1809: gnome-core is a metapackage that DEPENDS on nautilus |
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| 20:38.30 | valdyn | !info metacity etch |
| 20:38.35 | dpkg | metacity: (A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:2.12.3-3 (etch), Packaged size: 355 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
| 20:38.40 | pinucset | how can i have the search box in konqueror? (for google, f.example) |
| 20:38.45 | valdyn | moke1809: ah |
| 20:39.08 | valdyn | moke1809: thats probably good, new metacity keeps crashing |
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| 20:39.26 | ACU | valdyn: it seem more difficult - if I want all backports packages for i386 how can I get them? |
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| 20:39.36 | moke1809 | yeap i'm having some problem with metacity as well |
| 20:39.48 | dsl_ | Which RE tells grep to only report lines containing a certain string that isn't delimited by "(" or ")"? |
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| 20:40.03 | ACU | I mean ow can I download and burn on CD or DVD ? |
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| 20:40.14 | valdyn | ACU: get a net connection for your debian |
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| 20:40.48 | evaded | ACU: Need you an burn app like k3b? |
| 20:40.58 | valdyn | Astral_Projectio: maybe use beep-media-player instead |
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| 20:41.25 | Entheogen | how can I transfer files between mobile phone and pc? |
| 20:41.32 | Entheogen | via DKU-2 Cable? |
| 20:42.04 | Klohunt | I get this error when trying to apt-get install unrar: "Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 20:42.14 | Klohunt | Does anyone know a solution? |
| 20:42.22 | valdyn | Klohunt: apt-cache search unrar |
| 20:43.01 | Klohunt | valdyn, nothing happened |
| 20:43.11 | valdyn | Klohunt: you're on etch? |
| 20:43.23 | valdyn | !info unrar-nonfree etch |
| 20:43.23 | Klohunt | Sargfe |
| 20:43.28 | valdyn | !info unrar-free etch |
| 20:43.34 | dpkg | unrar-free: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 20:43.37 | valdyn | !info unrar-nonfree sarge |
| 20:43.44 | Shadowcat | for crying out loud |
| 20:43.51 | Shadowcat | MSG the bot until you find the right package |
| 20:43.57 | ACU | valdyn: I got that connection - I want to give somebody a copy of Debian Sarge and Backports - and that person has no access to Internet----once again - Thanks for your |
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| 20:44.18 | valdyn | ACU: apt-zip can do that |
| 20:44.28 | evaded | Klohunt: The message inform you that there was no package found for unrar |
| 20:44.35 | valdyn | Klohunt: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 20:45.07 | Klohunt | I see |
| 20:45.08 | Klohunt | thanks |
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| 20:46.02 | snake_mas_mas | hi i have a problem when config my sound card, is a CX20468-31 AC97 ,i using debian etch |
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| 20:47.27 | evaded | !tell snake_mas_mas about ask |
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| 20:49.05 | hydride | I come from FreeBSD, does debian have a sysinstall equivalant? |
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| 20:49.23 | pitfall | hi there |
| 20:49.31 | pitfall | I'm using debian unstable |
| 20:49.44 | pitfall | I dist-upgrade it today, My xorg wont start |
| 20:49.54 | gravity | pitfall: Did x11-common install all the way? |
| 20:49.54 | Shadowcat | read the topic |
| 20:49.55 | pitfall | I reinstall the nvidia binary driver (the last one) |
| 20:50.01 | gravity | Ah, /topic |
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| 20:50.31 | pitfall | topic? ;) |
| 20:50.37 | evaded | hydride: I not know FreeBSD, what is sysinstall and what does it? |
| 20:50.56 | User900 | -> valdyn can i sedn you dump.txt ? |
| 20:51.03 | hydride | it's what you go through when you install everything, but you can re run it later and re do all the configurations |
| 20:51.08 | bucky | !sysinstall |
| 20:51.21 | pitfall | gravity: you mean, I'm using unstable, so ... ? ;) |
| 20:51.29 | snake_mas_mas | I have a problem with a sound card CX20468-31 AC97 in a laptop compac¡q v2417LA, I'm running debian version sarge 3.1 |
| 20:51.29 | valdyn | User900: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 20:51.36 | evaded | hydride: I'm sure debian have better ;-) apt and dpkg |
| 20:51.43 | jldugger | hydride, so its for repeating the same install on another machine/ |
| 20:51.44 | jldugger | ? |
| 20:51.47 | gravity | pitfall: No, I mean read the wiki page |
| 20:51.53 | bucky | !base-config |
| 20:51.59 | dpkg | i heard base-config is or can be something to run to configure your base install, or being phased out, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status |
| 20:52.10 | User900 | /msg dpkd # $Id: pnpdump.c,v 1.8 1997/01/14 21:05:35 fox Exp $ |
| 20:52.10 | User900 | # This is free software, see the sources for details. |
| 20:52.10 | User900 | # This software has NO WARRANTY, use at your OWN RISK |
| 20:52.10 | User900 | # |
| 20:52.10 | User900 | # For details of this file format, see isapnp.conf(5) |
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| 20:52.19 | valdyn | oo |
| 20:52.20 | hydride | jldugger, it allows you to go through the configurations you went through when you first installed the box |
| 20:52.24 | jldugger | ah |
| 20:52.25 | evaded | !tell User900 about paste |
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| 20:52.49 | bucky | hey User900.. what ever happened to User899 |
| 20:52.54 | jldugger | yea, base-config does that, and there's also dpkg-reconfigure if you want to reconfigure an installed extra package |
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| 20:53.04 | bucky | !tell User900 about paste |
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| 20:53.10 | pitfall | gravity: where exactly ? the bug report list ? |
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| 20:53.19 | evaded | bucky: We got him ;-) |
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| 20:53.30 | pitfall | (x11 common wont install cause /usr/X11/bin isn't empty |
| 20:53.31 | pitfall | ) |
| 20:53.35 | gravity | pitfall: The transition page |
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| 20:53.38 | gravity | pitfall: Ugh... ok... |
| 20:53.43 | bucky | evaded: i waited until he logged back in |
| 20:53.49 | bucky | !win bucky |
| 20:53.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, bucky! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:53.54 | gravity | pitfall: You need to figure out why x11-common didn't fully install |
| 20:54.09 | gravity | pitfall: If you have unofficial stuff in there, you need to remove it or move it out of the way for the time being |
| 20:55.22 | tremor | pitfall: i got this also. removed the additional link inside /etc/X11R6/bin/ and then it worked |
| 20:55.22 | gravity | pitfall: If you have official stuff in there you need to send a bug report to x11-common saying what wasn't properly conflicted with |
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| 20:55.22 | boolka | Whats the difference between ubuntu and debian? |
| 20:55.24 | Coweater | which one? |
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| 20:55.26 | hydride | I gave my computer the wrong hostname when I installed debian, now whever it comes up it uses the wrong name, how can I fix that? |
| 20:55.28 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 20:55.28 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 20:55.34 | evaded | boolka: Ubuntu run Debian Testing/Unstable code + a bit midified. Ubuntu break better |
| 20:55.55 | pitfall | gravity tremor ok, thx, I empty it and everything was ok... |
| 20:56.08 | unixfool_ | anyone know a tool I can use to see what processes/threads have been on the CPU in the short recent history (I'm using to crash to see the run queue), but I don't know a way to see what is actually getting the CPU |
| 20:56.09 | pitfall | gravity: I cant' recognise something official or not ;) |
| 20:56.10 | User900 | -> valdyn oops ! now it's here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2408 |
| 20:56.11 | gravity | God... ok. I need to make that error meaner |
| 20:56.16 | Eulex | boolka, ubuntu is basically a polished gnome desktop, while debian aims to be good for any purpose |
| 20:56.31 | pitfall | gravity: =)) |
| 20:56.41 | pitfall | gravity: I'm sorry :) |
| 20:56.50 | evaded | boolka: If you're tinking to run Ubuntu for his recenter packages and bugs. Keep in mind to keep the Testing version of Debian with some concequences |
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| 20:57.52 | evaded | boolka: Look to http://debian.org/releases/ for the differents versions (Stable/Testing/Unstable) |
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| 20:58.18 | valdyn | User900: nice, now what is your problem? |
| 20:58.19 | evaded | boolka: But i really recomend you to use Debian Sarge, it's the Stable version |
| 20:58.27 | boolka | evaded, im a noob, I like xandros, but its support sucks. So i was thinking for migrating to ubunto since its easy to install |
| 20:58.48 | User900 | -> valdyn It does not works . |
| 20:58.53 | evaded | boolka: If you never learn, you never know it... |
| 20:59.04 | valdyn | User900: doesnt work is a useless statement |
| 20:59.17 | valdyn | User900: why cant you use isapnptools? did you read the documentation? |
| 21:00.26 | jldugger | that pnpdump.c file looks a lot more like LISP |
| 21:01.04 | boolka | evaded in the past ive tried to install debian.... takes long time to get X running and network ... but that was long time ago - about 2 years ago. |
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| 21:01.26 | valdyn | User900: i can harldy walk you through all details, so quick round up: uncomment the configuration in dump.txt. filling in reasonable values where needed, config is in (), rest should stay commented, (IO 0 (BASE 0x0210)) needs to be adjusted twice naturally since not all 3 cards can use the same, valid values are given above in the comment, copy that to /etc/isapnp.conf, reboot |
| 21:01.49 | jelly-ho | unixfool_: lastcomm might be of some help, if you've got acct installed and turned on. |
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| 21:01.57 | klaxian | how can I make the search option in the gnome menu use beagle to search? |
| 21:02.03 | User900 | -> valdyn no, and Question, uncoment lines INT, IO, ACT ? |
| 21:02.06 | alec | boolka: it probably won't take that long now, especially if you use the new debian-installer |
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| 21:02.09 | h2k_ | what is 'si' showing at Cpu(s): row in 'top'? |
| 21:02.14 | evaded | boolka: The 'Potato', now it's 'Sarge' and a bit easyer to install, a bit dificulter that Ubuntu that's sure, but once done ... Rock like stone |
| 21:02.15 | Entheogen | where can I find logs when computer boots? |
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| 21:02.29 | jldugger | boolka, well, ubuntu basically tweaks debian unstable every six months. for example they use debian-installer just like debian does. |
| 21:02.39 | Eulex | Entheogen, dmesg, /var/log/* |
| 21:02.48 | valdyn | User900: yea, all lines that start at end with ( ) |
| 21:02.55 | evaded | Entheogen: Also you need to activate the bootlog |
| 21:02.58 | jelly-ho | unixfool_: (acct) but processes are logged only when finished |
| 21:03.03 | valdyn | User900: and FIX all IRQ / IO so not 2 cards use the same |
| 21:03.05 | evaded | !bootlog |
| 21:03.05 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 21:03.15 | ACU | guys do you know any Debian backport chat room --- I want to have a DVD with backports for Sarge - I found one but the website is in Russian - |
| 21:03.23 | User900 | -> valdyn and then ? |
| 21:03.25 | valdyn | User900: feel free to use the same values already used in /etc/modules |
| 21:03.33 | unixfool_ | jelly, will look into it, thanks |
| 21:03.51 | valdyn | User900: at least as far as they are VALID, as written in dump.txt |
| 21:04.00 | kspath | ACU: Do the backports sites have mailing lists? |
| 21:04.32 | valdyn | User900: copy the file to /etc/isapnp.conf and reboot |
| 21:04.53 | valdyn | User900: uh or just rerun the /etc/init.d/isapnptools restart |
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| 21:05.36 | valdyn | User900: isapnptools will configure your cards so the modprobe options do in fact find a correctly configured card |
| 21:06.05 | Entheogen | I just need to see some error from this boot :) |
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| 21:06.36 | klaxian | does anyone know how I can make the "Search for Files" option in the Gnome menu use Beagle to search like Ubuntu has? I'm guessing that it's just not doing it since all Gnome 2.14 packages aren't in unstable yet, right? |
| 21:06.41 | bucky | Entheogen: dmesg |
| 21:06.54 | valdyn | User900: its your job too to make sure that no PCI device is using the same interrupts |
| 21:07.04 | Entheogen | bucky, it's not there.. the error was with alsa.. |
| 21:07.07 | valdyn | User900: see your bios for that |
| 21:07.39 | bucky | Entheogen: maybe cat /var/log/dmesg |
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| 21:08.03 | Entheogen | nope. |
| 21:08.14 | User900 | its 486 it have not PCI |
| 21:08.27 | valdyn | User900: alright |
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| 21:09.48 | Entheogen | how can I transfer files from my phone via DKU cable?? |
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| 21:11.30 | XoR_ | how can i find/install avidemux? |
| 21:11.39 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 21:11.41 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add. If you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>. For specific sources.list lines, ask me about <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid> <marillat.sarge> |
| 21:11.42 | ChristmasCpp | hi all |
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| 21:11.43 | valdyn | XoR_: ^^^ |
| 21:11.48 | XoR_ | valdyn: tnx |
| 21:11.50 | evaded | Entheogen: It's an nokia i guess, right? |
| 21:11.54 | ChristmasCpp | !gaim |
| 21:11.54 | dpkg | gaim is probably an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
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| 21:12.00 | Entheogen | yep |
| 21:12.07 | Entheogen | /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 21:12.25 | Entheogen | gprs\edge works well but i cannot transfer files.. :| |
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| 21:12.34 | ChristmasCpp | !dcpp |
| 21:12.49 | cheal | !tell ChristmasCpp about msg the bot |
| 21:12.53 | ChristmasCpp | it's ignoring me after a command? |
| 21:13.11 | evaded | Entheogen: do 'apt-cache search nokia' |
| 21:13.16 | cheal | ChristmasCpp: dpkg doesn't answer to "unknown "commands"" |
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| 21:13.44 | CraZyLeGs | what should I add to my sources.list to install webmin ? |
| 21:13.45 | ChristmasCpp | yeah thanks i made a trivia bot |
| 21:13.45 | evaded | Entheogen: And look for the obex thing there |
| 21:13.49 | valdyn | Entheogen: have you used google? |
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| 21:14.17 | Entheogen | obex is for BT? |
| 21:14.25 | Entheogen | should it work with cable? |
| 21:14.28 | evaded | valdyn, Entheogen: I not know where to search like i not know about it |
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| 21:14.45 | evaded | Entheogen: apt-cache show obexftp |
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| 21:14.54 | CraZyLeGs | when I did "apt-get install webmin -s" it said it's not available but it's in the database |
| 21:15.17 | _fjh_ | Hi, what is the diff between /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modutils? I noticed I have both?? |
| 21:15.38 | valdyn | _fjh_: not much, just use /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 21:15.52 | evaded | Entheogen: try somethings like apt-cache search mobile |
| 21:15.59 | valdyn | _fjh_: run 'strace -eopen modprobe somemodule' o see the difference |
| 21:16.04 | User900 | -> valdyn iot writes: board 1 has identity . . .. . . . . . board2 has . . and loading modules 3c509 loading device eth0 . . . lib/modules/..../3c509.o init_module: Device or resource busy second is indentify and last card works |
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| 21:16.16 | ChristmasCpp | take a look at this guys |
| 21:16.36 | ChristmasCpp | ChristmasCpp !dcpp |
| 21:16.36 | ChristmasCpp | dpkg The addressCharacter "!" is to get my attention in a normal channel. Please leave it off when messaging me directly. |
| 21:16.36 | dpkg | okay, ChristmasCpp |
| 21:16.37 | valdyn | User900: so 2 work now? |
| 21:16.47 | ChristmasCpp | ChristmasCpp gaim |
| 21:16.47 | ChristmasCpp | dpkg well, gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 21:16.47 | dpkg | ChristmasCpp: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:16.58 | ChristmasCpp | ChristmasCpp torvalds |
| 21:16.58 | ChristmasCpp | dpkg extra, extra, read all about it, linus is The Man. or mistaken for the OS or our savior, or someone who pushes to have procfs replace sysctl, despite the fact for programs this makes things significantly slower. someone that doesn't comment, or at http://revolution-os.com/images/linus_at_linuxworld.jpg |
| 21:16.58 | ChristmasCpp | ChristmasCpp shuttleworth |
| 21:16.58 | ChristmasCpp | dpkg from memory, shuttleworth is da shit |
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| 21:16.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, ChristmasCpp |
| 21:16.58 | dpkg | ChristmasCpp: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:17.10 | User900 | error no -> no identify - identical with 1 only 3. works |
| 21:17.17 | ManPhoenix811 | hi. I'm running a VNC server and I was wondering: how do I make it automatically boot up in KDE rather than GNOME, the default. |
| 21:17.19 | ChristmasCpp | ChristmasCpp pink floyd |
| 21:17.19 | ChristmasCpp | dpkg Information about Pink Floyd is divided into "early floyd," "middle floyd," "late floyd," and "current floyd." Please ask about one of these |
| 21:17.19 | ChristmasCpp | ChristmasCpp omg you rock! |
| 21:17.19 | ChristmasCpp | dpkg aw, gee |
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| 21:17.19 | dpkg | ChristmasCpp: okay |
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| 21:17.28 | ManPhoenix811 | (I'd like to set KDE to the default window manager) |
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| 21:17.33 | Linuhx | holy crap grav |
| 21:17.35 | alexey__ | hi all ! |
| 21:17.35 | gravity | cheal: Sorry, one second |
| 21:17.41 | alexey__ | I have heard that LSB 3.1 supports desktop apps |
| 21:17.50 | alexey__ | where is the list of LSB supported libs ? |
| 21:17.54 | Entheogen | i've installed obex |
| 21:18.01 | Entheogen | but nothing happens |
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| 21:18.15 | Entheogen | astral@shiva:~$ obex_tcp |
| 21:18.15 | Entheogen | Send and receive files over TCP OBEX |
| 21:18.15 | Entheogen | Waiting for files |
| 21:18.20 | User900 | -> valdyn what's now ? |
| 21:18.33 | valdyn | User900: no idea, its long ago that i used isapnptools, look if it did its job correctly, play with different irq / io in both /etc/modules and isapnp.conf |
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| 21:18.51 | evaded | Entheogen: I'm sure you have not read the man pages nor the manual!!! |
| 21:18.57 | help | how can i upgrade from sarge to etch? |
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| 21:19.05 | valdyn | User900: and pay attention that /etc/modules and /etc/isapnp.conf are in sync, naturally |
| 21:19.13 | _fjh_ | valdyn, /etc/modutils seems to be unused. Instead /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/hotplug are taken into account. Is this expected? |
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| 21:19.28 | valdyn | _fjh_: yea |
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| 21:19.36 | evaded | !tell help about sarge->etch |
| 21:19.54 | valdyn | _fjh_: /etc/modutils was for the 'modutils' package, you have the module-init-tools package instead |
| 21:20.01 | gravity | Whoever owns ChristmasCpp needs to not be such a tool |
| 21:20.30 | Entheogen | evaded, there are no man pages |
| 21:20.30 | Entheogen | :) |
| 21:20.38 | valdyn | _fjh_: modutils = 2.4 kernel, module-init-tools = 2.6 kernel |
| 21:20.51 | Pegger | bucky why is it being phased out?> |
| 21:20.56 | evaded | Entheogen: You have theck it now i guess |
| 21:21.16 | Pegger | bucky why is it being phased out?> |
| 21:21.25 | oboy | i am looking for a program that searches for free web proxys, for surfing anonymously |
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| 21:21.37 | valdyn | oboy: called google |
| 21:21.42 | User900 | -> valdyn see http://channels.debian.net/paste/2410 (it's right ????) |
| 21:21.45 | r3tex | anyone here installing gnome on testing? |
| 21:21.46 | _fjh_ | valdyn, 2.4 / 2.6 this sounds ok! Hox does this hotplug stuff fit into. I am using udev now? |
| 21:21.49 | oboy | a linux one |
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| 21:22.10 | evaded | Entheogen: Wish package have you installed exactly? |
| 21:22.11 | ManPhoenix811 | I'd like to set KDE to the default window manager for X sessions |
| 21:22.16 | _fjh_ | valdyn i meant how does... |
| 21:22.40 | Entheogen | evaded, openobex-apps |
| 21:22.49 | ACU | man - Debian is not for the weak --- I need to get the backports on a DVD - I understand I have to to a fetch- but how to configure the fetch to bring all i386 application in a folder - so I can burn it? |
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| 21:23.16 | valdyn | User900: yea, its correct, doesnt mean that no other device could be using the same resources though, see /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports |
| 21:23.58 | evaded | Entheogen: I not know about that topic. But is 'obexserver' installed and need you it? |
| 21:24.27 | valdyn | _fjh_: hotplug gets notified by the kernel when new hardware is found and acts upon that, udev is notified by the kernel when a new driver needing a device node is loaded |
| 21:24.41 | evaded | Entheogen: Use it been 'Bluethooth'? |
| 21:24.44 | User900 | -> shogunx are you here ? |
| 21:24.53 | valdyn | _fjh_: uh, udev might be notified by hotplug actually , no idea |
| 21:24.53 | _fjh_ | valdyn, thanks sounds complex. |
| 21:25.03 | Entheogen | can I use obex wit cable.. i don't have bt.. |
| 21:25.06 | valdyn | _fjh_: its dead simple |
| 21:25.10 | oboy | i have tested jap and anon-proxy but they are not usefull enough |
| 21:25.18 | valdyn | _fjh_: kernel just runs /sbin/hotplug |
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| 21:25.45 | evaded | Entheogen: What mobile exactly? |
| 21:26.00 | Entheogen | nokia6230 |
| 21:26.08 | Entheogen | it has bt but I havn't bt adapter here ;) |
| 21:26.16 | _fjh_ | valdyn I have no /sbin/hotplug |
| 21:26.16 | Entheogen | only irda and cable.. |
| 21:26.47 | User900 | -> valdyn /proc/interrupts found only 11 |
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| 21:26.56 | ManPhoenix811 | .. |
| 21:27.01 | kubuntu_tester | hello folks |
| 21:27.07 | ManPhoenix811 | I'd like to set KDE to the default window manager for X sessions |
| 21:27.17 | evaded | Entheogen: Google give a bit to many result for my that have not that hardware. I can suggest you to look on Google |
| 21:27.39 | Entheogen | ok |
| 21:27.42 | Entheogen | thx |
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| 21:28.04 | valdyn | _fjh_: changed since 2.6.12 and its udev i guess, but the basics are the same |
| 21:28.14 | kubuntu_tester | I have a problem, my debian box doesnt recognize a pcmcia card (gc85 sony-ericsson) |
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| 21:28.33 | kubuntu_tester | I tried to restart pcmcia service |
| 21:28.47 | kubuntu_tester | and looked at the end of kernel msg |
| 21:28.59 | kubuntu_tester | but seems that nothing happens |
| 21:29.01 | ManPhoenix811 | ..... |
| 21:29.03 | User900 | -. valdyn and when is card configured and no cable plugged then LED is off when is card unconfigured LEDis on and 2 cards have LED on and one off |
| 21:29.08 | ManPhoenix811 | can anyone evemn read this? |
| 21:29.14 | kubuntu_tester | can someone help me? |
| 21:29.24 | evaded | ManPhoenix811: No |
| 21:29.42 | ManPhoenix811 | dammit! my irc is still bugged |
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| 21:29.50 | bucky | ManPhoenix811: do you have kdm installed and can you set it there at the graphical login |
| 21:29.51 | evaded | kubuntu_tester: Are you been using Debian?? |
| 21:29.59 | kubuntu_tester | now, yes |
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| 21:30.03 | ManPhoenix811 | kdm is not installed |
| 21:30.10 | ManPhoenix811 | installed vncserver |
| 21:30.13 | bucky | ManPhoenix811: that's one way |
| 21:30.17 | ManPhoenix811 | I set geometry to 1024x780 |
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| 21:30.28 | ManPhoenix811 | I want to make it so KDE runs instead of GNOME on bootup |
| 21:30.31 | valdyn | _fjh_: ah, udevd does that now |
| 21:30.33 | Linuhx | Can anyone tell em the current gnome and KDE versions for sarge?? |
| 21:30.36 | Linuhx | me** |
| 21:30.39 | bucky | ManPhoenix811: the other is to update-alternatives --auto kde |
| 21:30.44 | slicky | hello.. i have a linuxbox with 2 network interfaces.. and i want ti chare interent to my xp box.. what is the name of the program that i need.. it starts with m or something |
| 21:30.44 | bucky | or startkde |
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| 21:30.57 | evaded | ManPhoenix811: Have you 'kdm' installed? |
| 21:31.02 | kubuntu_tester | evaded: can give me an advice about that? |
| 21:31.07 | Linuhx | I like kde so much, quanta plus is just an addon ^_^ |
| 21:31.10 | ManPhoenix811 | that didn't work |
| 21:31.16 | ManPhoenix811 | kdm isn't installed |
| 21:31.24 | bucky | slicky: mii-diag |
| 21:31.27 | hruske | Linuhx, packages.debian.org |
| 21:31.39 | bucky | ManPhoenix811: i gave you three ways to do it |
| 21:31.51 | evaded | kubuntu_tester: I not know |
| 21:32.03 | slicky | bucky: hm.. it was like m something.. but not mii-diag.. |
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| 21:32.14 | ManPhoenix811 | I installed kdm |
| 21:32.22 | evaded | ManPhoenix811: If you no more need Gnome, remove it 'apt-get remove gnome'. |
| 21:32.22 | bucky | slicky: apt-cache show mii-diag |
| 21:32.25 | kubuntu_tester | the pcmcia card slot is manifactured by ricoh |
| 21:32.55 | kubuntu_tester | *manufactured |
| 21:33.14 | evaded | ManPhoenix811: I guess that 'gdm' are installed as login manager. Right? You see there an menu 'Session'. Click on it an choose the 'KDE' |
| 21:33.24 | ManPhoenix811 | I can't!! |
| 21:33.27 | ManPhoenix811 | This is vncserver!!! |
| 21:33.32 | ManPhoenix811 | <_< |
| 21:33.39 | ManPhoenix811 | I'm not at the machine itself! it's down stairs |
| 21:33.49 | evaded | ManPhoenix811: Ok |
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| 21:33.52 | hruske | go down the stairs then? |
| 21:33.56 | ManPhoenix811 | What for?! |
| 21:34.04 | ManPhoenix811 | I want to make it so KDE starts up for REMOTE users |
| 21:34.10 | ManPhoenix811 | KDE is already running as the local user |
| 21:34.23 | hruske | and you are using gdm? |
| 21:34.26 | evaded | ManPhoenix811: I can sugest you to remove Gnome if you not need it. And if KDE are installed. It will be default boot it |
| 21:34.27 | dondelelcaro | ManPhoenix811: remote users don't need to start KDE. THey just export X. |
| 21:34.36 | slicky | bucky: ye.. but it wasnt this 1 i was looking 4.. |
| 21:34.39 | ManPhoenix811 | gah |
| 21:34.41 | slicky | jm |
| 21:34.42 | slicky | hm |
| 21:34.43 | ManPhoenix811 | I type "vncserver :1" |
| 21:34.44 | bucky | ManPhoenix811: make kde the default wm with update-alternatives on the remote machine |
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| 21:34.50 | ManPhoenix811 | ..... |
| 21:34.53 | ManPhoenix811 | Argh!! |
| 21:34.58 | ManPhoenix811 | I type "vncserver :1" |
| 21:35.08 | ManPhoenix811 | It goes "Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession" |
| 21:35.08 | Entheogen | is there a command to see which process uses specified device? |
| 21:35.12 | slicky | i want to share internet from my linux box to my xp |
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| 21:35.17 | ManPhoenix811 | I can't read any of that chinese code language in there |
| 21:35.23 | bucky | slicky: samba |
| 21:35.28 | ManPhoenix811 | I want it to run KDE instead of GNOME when it boots up |
| 21:35.35 | ManPhoenix811 | <_< |
| 21:35.42 | Linuhx | I <3 kde too :) |
| 21:35.46 | slicky | bucky: lol.. file sharing? |
| 21:35.51 | Linuhx | Id make love to it if I could |
| 21:35.58 | hruske | ManPhoenix811, edit your ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 21:36.20 | Linuhx | "take it in the superkaramba" >.> |
| 21:36.22 | ManPhoenix811 | I tried update-alternatives, |
| 21:36.23 | ManPhoenix811 | I did! |
| 21:36.30 | bucky | slicky: netfilter.org there's a bunch of howtos |
| 21:36.35 | ManPhoenix811 | that's the entire problem |
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| 21:36.39 | hruske | ManPhoenix811, did you check your ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 21:36.41 | ManPhoenix811 | IO edited /root/.vnc/xstartup |
| 21:36.46 | ManPhoenix811 | then I ran vncserver :1 as root |
| 21:36.50 | ManPhoenix811 | I filled in my pass |
| 21:36.54 | ManPhoenix811 | and I connected to it using my PC |
| 21:36.58 | ManPhoenix811 | but it still runs gnome |
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| 21:37.22 | hruske | did you restart it? |
| 21:37.26 | ManPhoenix811 | yes.. |
| 21:37.27 | ManPhoenix811 | duh. |
| 21:37.28 | ManPhoenix811 | <_< |
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| 21:37.46 | Linuhx | haha |
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| 21:37.52 | hruske | can i see your xstartup? |
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| 21:38.06 | ManPhoenix811 | #!/bin/sh <ENTER> startkde & |
| 21:38.09 | ManPhoenix811 | where <ENTER> is enter. |
| 21:38.14 | ManPhoenix811 | uh |
| 21:38.20 | ManPhoenix811 | #!/bin/sh |
| 21:38.20 | ManPhoenix811 | startkde & |
| 21:38.57 | hruske | how did you restart it? |
| 21:39.19 | ManPhoenix811 | vncserver -kill :1 |
| 21:39.21 | ManPhoenix811 | vncserver :1 |
| 21:39.28 | bucky | you need startkde & in ~/.xsession on the remote machine |
| 21:39.43 | ManPhoenix811 | I put it in htere |
| 21:39.47 | ManPhoenix811 | but it doesn't work |
| 21:39.51 | ManPhoenix811 | it runs GNOME before it runs KDE |
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| 21:41.15 | Linuhx | ok, I got a security debian mirror, waht is it for? does it automatically update? :S |
| 21:41.22 | bucky | ManPhoenix811: how about in ~/.vnc on the remote.. did you change that to kde? |
| 21:41.45 | ManPhoenix811 | ? |
| 21:41.53 | gravity | Linuhx: The mirror does, but you should be on top of making sure your machine is updated to its contents |
| 21:41.54 | ManPhoenix811 | buh? change the .vnc directory to .kde? |
| 21:41.57 | ManPhoenix811 | uhhh no... |
| 21:41.59 | Linuhx | How do I completely frag SSH, and everything to do with SSH? I never use it,a dn I want the port closed, and it off my system... |
| 21:42.04 | paroneayea | anyone else finding it pretty much impossible to get module-assistant to properly build unionfs? |
| 21:42.16 | ManPhoenix811 | Linuhx: apt-get remove sshd |
| 21:42.26 | ManPhoenix811 | er |
| 21:42.36 | Linuhx | apt-get remove --purge? |
| 21:42.41 | gravity | purge would be wiser for "completely frag"ging it :-) |
| 21:42.46 | ManPhoenix811 | and by sshd I mean "I dunno" |
| 21:42.49 | ManPhoenix811 | <_< |
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| 21:43.28 | bucky | ManPhoenix811: no.. you could read some docs and find out you need startkde & in ~/.vnc/xstartup on your remote machine |
| 21:43.40 | Linuhx | Because what good is SSH? I dont connect remotely to anything.. |
| 21:44.05 | gravity | Linuhx: It's also used for authentication of things like svn servers |
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| 21:44.09 | ManPhoenix811 | I have found a directory |
| 21:44.14 | gravity | Linuhx: But if you don't need it then of course, feel free to remove it |
| 21:44.15 | ManPhoenix811 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.19 | hruske | Linuhx, remove openssh-server |
| 21:44.25 | ManPhoenix811 | it contains scripts ran with source by Xsession |
| 21:44.31 | Linuhx | Id like to have the port closed...because I know the less ports I have open,t he less vulnerable I am.. |
| 21:44.43 | paroneayea | Linuhx: ssh is one of the most wonderful applications you can have on your computer. Things like piping a tarred version of your filesystem over an ssh connection and cating it into an archive on the remote machine are wonderful |
| 21:44.48 | paroneayea | not to mention my favourite thing |
| 21:44.50 | paroneayea | ssh tunneling |
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| 21:45.07 | Linuhx | I hardly ever use my shell account anymore, so i dont really need telnet security |
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| 21:46.01 | ManPhoenix811 | aha |
| 21:46.02 | ManPhoenix811 | found it |
| 21:46.21 | Linuhx | besides, if I ever need it im sure apt-get install openssh-server wont be too hard ;) |
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| 21:47.06 | Linuhx | I want someone to scan my 65535 ports, and see ZERO open >: D |
| 21:47.30 | paroneayea | you don't want to be connected to anything? |
| 21:47.36 | magyar | which channel deals with routing problems? |
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| 21:47.58 | Linuhx | paroneayea, I meant when aall programs are closed, for example they wont see port22 ssh is open |
| 21:47.59 | magyar | hi ! |
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| 21:48.05 | Linuhx | when im nto running anything |
| 21:48.08 | magyar | !hi |
| 21:48.08 | dpkg | hello, magyar |
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| 21:48.31 | magyar | !routing |
| 21:48.31 | dpkg | [routing] the Advanced Routing which can be found at http://lartc.org/ - all sorts of howtos and samples |
| 21:48.53 | swim | hey folks can anyone tell me if there is anyway to have dpkg install dependencies off repositories for the local package Im trying to install? |
| 21:49.00 | hruske | Linuhx, remove openssh-server, then you wont be running openssh server. but still use firewall, as any application running as normal user can open a >1024 port |
| 21:49.03 | magyar | !bird |
| 21:49.15 | ACU07 | hi guys - does anyone knows how to create a DVD with the i386 BACKPORT applications |
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| 21:49.24 | swim | !dpkg dpkg dependencies |
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| 21:49.55 | miki2 | hello |
| 21:50.19 | sverker | hi |
| 21:50.39 | miki2 | when i got few kenrels installed, and i will install package on one of them(uedv+requirements), would all other kernels get that package too? |
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| 21:53.02 | sverker | i want to share internet from my debian box to my xp box.. how do i do? :$ |
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| 21:53.33 | evaded | miki2: It's like an car with 3 motors that only can be run one at the same car. You're radio does not change when you use that other one motor |
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| 21:54.18 | miki2 | evaded: so how can i install udev on non-bootable kernel? sience i got udev problems |
| 21:54.36 | evaded | miki2: I not know |
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| 21:55.09 | evaded | !masquerading |
| 21:55.10 | dpkg | well, masquerading is NAT, or what Cisco calls PAT, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE assuming eth0 is the big bad Internet... |
| 21:55.11 | alexey__ | I have read about the fresh new LSB 3.1 ! |
| 21:55.27 | alexey__ | anybody read it ? (at least briefly) ? |
| 21:55.29 | evaded | sverker: I think you need what dpkg have say |
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| 21:56.00 | Linuhx | Should I have masqurading on? |
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| 21:56.38 | evaded | Linuhx: It depend. The message was not to you |
| 21:56.55 | Linuhx | evaded: I just use my box for msn, irc, web borwser.. |
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| 21:57.01 | Linuhx | evaded: I like security. |
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| 21:57.32 | evaded | Linuhx: Nothings to do with security, It's about Internet sharing |
| 21:57.46 | Linuhx | ok, nvmd then, thx |
| 21:58.21 | oboy | i am using the canon cupys printer driver and I am unable to select a custom paper size, is there any configuration file to edit? |
| 21:58.22 | harleyg | ./j #php |
| 21:58.24 | harleyg | ... |
| 21:58.25 | harleyg | oops |
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| 21:59.26 | yos87 | Hi, |
| 21:59.38 | paroneayea | So has *anyone* in here gotten unionfs to work with debian? |
| 21:59.43 | yos87 | Is there any Debian graphic installation? |
| 21:59.58 | yos87 | like http://art.arabeyes.org/debian/language?full=1 |
| 22:00.22 | gravity | yos87: Yeah, but it's in beta. You can build it yourself and use it though if you like |
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| 22:01.08 | ACU07 | hi guys - does anyone knows how to create a DVD with the i386 BACKPORT applications for Debian |
| 22:01.14 | gravity | yos87: There may be images of it available somewhere too for you to try. Check wiki.debian.org for the debian installer page. They probably have links to it |
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| 22:01.57 | evaded | yos87: Look to this man ;-) http://osdir.com/ |
| 22:02.31 | evaded | yos87: More precisly this one here http://shots.osdir.com/ |
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| 22:03.08 | evaded | You find there many screenshot of all distros ^^ |
| 22:03.13 | ACU07 | Another question: I have an external usb DVD drive ---- if I want to install Debian I cannot because it does not boot from the external DVD - I wonder if I can have one CD and boot from internal CD drive then continue the installation from the external usb DVD drive |
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| 22:03.51 | evaded | ACU07: Do the base install with the netinstall?? |
| 22:04.15 | evaded | ACU07: An CD ROM of about 110MB |
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| 22:04.39 | ACU07 | evaded: I forgot to say - I have not access to internet |
| 22:05.01 | evaded | ACU07: It |
| 22:05.01 | swim | has anyone heard of an app called Serpentine? and if there might be a debian package available for it? |
| 22:05.20 | ACU07 | evaded: what is It ? |
| 22:05.22 | evaded | ACU07: It's been possible that you need to load an additional module, i not know whick one |
| 22:05.37 | kspath | evaded: which |
| 22:05.57 | evaded | kspath: It's my HHKB ;-) |
| 22:06.30 | kspath | evaded: I have 5-7 HHKB and they do not cause which to become whick. :-P |
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| 22:07.29 | ACU07 | OK -but about burning a DVD with backport applications for i386 ? |
| 22:07.30 | evaded | kspath: I mean the ' to near the enter. I'm an Belgian and the normal keyboard are really differents. I have 7 differents keyboard and that's a bit shit |
| 22:08.00 | evaded | kspath: So i have more money, i replace it all with HHKB's ;-) |
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| 22:08.14 | kspath | evaded: That is why I have so many HHKB. Though I usually can switch between keyboard types with little issue due to number of years. |
| 22:08.22 | magyar | which channel deals with routing problems? |
| 22:08.29 | evaded | kspath: The wichk is because im to dump to re read my writed msg |
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| 22:09.04 | kspath | magyar: Is there a #quagga or a #zebra or a #netfilter or a #iptables or ... ? |
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| 22:09.29 | evaded | !routing |
| 22:09.29 | dpkg | well, routing is the Advanced Routing which can be found at http://lartc.org/ - all sorts of howtos and samples |
| 22:09.36 | evaded | for example |
| 22:09.36 | Eulex | ACU07, you should be able to just wget the full repo, then burn it to a dvd with the directory structure, then mount it and add it to sources.list with a file:/// directive. and sorry, I don't know the correct way of creating cds with packages, but I think this will work almost as good. |
| 22:09.36 | swim | does anyone know what package I need to install to get python 2.4 into /usr/bin/ ? |
| 22:09.48 | kspath | magyar: It matters a lot what kind of routing you want to find out about. |
| 22:10.15 | magyar | kspath: what about bird? which one is for ip routing level3? |
| 22:10.16 | kspath | magyar: netfilter and lartc and quagga and zebra and others have mailings lists |
| 22:10.36 | kspath | magyar: IP routing level3? |
| 22:10.40 | evaded | swim: apt-get python2.4?? |
| 22:11.08 | Shadowcat | ok umm |
| 22:11.12 | evaded | swim: You only need to install the application |
| 22:11.22 | sverker | how to set an internal ip on my eth0 ? |
| 22:11.23 | Shadowcat | myboxen: why exactly is your routing our problem? |
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| 22:11.31 | ACU07 | Thanks Eulex - now another burden- is any GUI Wget application (please do not laugh - I expect a lot of subtelties on the command ) |
| 22:11.48 | abli | swim, its in python2.4-minimal package, but that gets pulled in by python2.4, i guess |
| 22:11.51 | kspath | sverker: Internal? |
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| 22:11.56 | Eulex | ACU07, wget is quite easy to use, and it's very powerful. see man wget. |
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| 22:12.03 | magyar | kspath: i meant layer 3 |
| 22:12.06 | kspath | sverker: Are you refering to non-internet routable IP blocks? |
| 22:12.16 | sverker | kspath like 192.168.0...balba |
| 22:12.29 | Shadowcat | sverker: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:12.33 | kspath | sverker: Set it to 192.168.###.### |
| 22:13.16 | magyar | Shadowcat: i have three interfaces and i cant get from the net to one of them, which is not a default gateway |
| 22:13.30 | evaded | swim: Been installed? |
| 22:13.36 | sverker | iv got 2 network adapters.. and one is the internet.. and the other is the lan.. and i want to share interenet from my debian to the rest of the lan.. |
| 22:13.38 | Shadowcat | magyar: I still fail to see why it's our problem |
| 22:13.47 | Shadowcat | magyar: this is #debian, not #networking |
| 22:14.10 | magyar | Shadowcat: kool |
| 22:14.14 | robin_sz | sverker, try installing smoothwall |
| 22:14.16 | swim | evaded, abli , see I'm trying to install a music player called Listen... but unfortunately it depends on another app called Serpentine, which I found an ubuntu package of and in any case it requires python2.4 ... which was already installed,(package "python2.4") but when I attempt to dpkg -i this Serpentine ubuntu deb it tells me that I have python 2.3.*** installed and doesnt seem to see python 2.4 |
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| 22:14.36 | swim | evaded, whats Been? |
| 22:14.39 | sverker | robin_sz, i tryed.. but i want to run a webserver as well.. on my box |
| 22:14.49 | abli | swim, I think installing ubuntu packages on plain debian is a bad idea. |
| 22:15.03 | robin_sz | sverker, jus put the webserver in the dmz |
| 22:15.03 | evaded | swim: _Don't_ mix UBUNTU packages with Debian! |
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| 22:15.13 | kspath | sverker: Did you try reading any documentation for smoothwall or ipcop? |
| 22:15.26 | sverker | kspath yes.. |
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| 22:15.37 | sverker | kspath maby im just stupid :$ |
| 22:15.43 | evaded | !tell sverker about masquerading |
| 22:15.44 | abli | swim, otoh, keep in mind that the default python version is 2.3, so "python" means "python2.3" and that app might expect "python" to mean "python2.4" (i.e. expect the default python version to be 2.4) |
| 22:15.45 | swim | abli, evaded , hmm ok I have in the past without problems but anyways ok Ill build from source, but I'm sure it will still need python2.4 |
| 22:15.57 | kspath | sverker: Lacking in knowledge and experience perhaps. |
| 22:16.02 | tomie | hi have a heavy problem with talk: http://pastebin.com/675934 |
| 22:16.17 | sverker | kspath iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE <-- what will this do? |
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| 22:17.05 | kspath | sverker: This is #debian. There are channels that specialize in that sort of thing. |
| 22:17.27 | sverker | kspath but it´s a part of debian.. isnt it? |
| 22:17.27 | evaded | sverker: Enable trafic of clients going to outside |
| 22:17.33 | kspath | sverker: In fact the best way is likely going to be mailing lists. |
| 22:17.34 | hydride | I installed proftpd from apt-get, but I can't get it to run |
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| 22:18.01 | kspath | sverker: IP stack is part of debian. |
| 22:18.31 | abli | swim, you might try an "export $PYTHON=python2.4" in the shell to change the default version. |
| 22:18.32 | kspath | sverker: Do you expect detailed assistance with anything that is part of "debian". |
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| 22:18.46 | SonnyBurnett | hi, I'm downloading from gnome-look.org some mouse themes, how can I install them? |
| 22:19.05 | Niklas_E | how do you get the qt so you get the file qmake? |
| 22:19.10 | kspath | IRC is mostly for pointers to things to do in general and sites and howtos and documentation and manpages and commands sometimes. |
| 22:19.24 | abli | swim, If you have python2.4 installed and have "python -V" return 2.3, then the above might help. |
| 22:19.29 | Shadowcat | sverker: listen |
| 22:19.30 | swim | abli, would that mess anything else up though? |
| 22:19.31 | Niklas_E | !tell Niklas_E about qmake |
| 22:19.40 | _rene_ | it will |
| 22:19.42 | Shadowcat | debian contains pretty much anything that any other distro contains |
| 22:19.49 | Red_Cloud | is there a channel that deals with debian-security? |
| 22:19.51 | _rene_ | if you want python2.4 just run it with python2.4 |
| 22:19.53 | Dwonis | albi, swim: that should be "export PYTHON=..." not "export $PYTHON=..." |
| 22:19.55 | Shadowcat | so unless you have a question that's specific to debian's configuration system |
| 22:20.00 | Shadowcat | ask somewhere else |
| 22:20.00 | _rene_ | anything else will break things |
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| 22:20.01 | evaded | Niklas_E: Try to use '/msg dpkg qmake' |
| 22:20.07 | Shadowcat | iptables is NOT part of debian's configuration system |
| 22:20.13 | swim | Dwonis, but would it mess anything else up? |
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| 22:20.38 | Dwonis | swim: if PYTHON is empty, then "export $PYTHON=..." translates into "export =..." |
| 22:20.41 | Dwonis | swim: so yes |
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| 22:20.47 | Fab | hi |
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| 22:21.02 | abli | swim, hmm. maybe I'm wrong, lemme check |
| 22:21.10 | randability | Hey, how would I make a script execute something at startup ONLY ONCE, then delete itself? |
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| 22:21.31 | Fab | does someone use "proxychains"? |
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| 22:21.55 | Dwonis | !tell Fab about anyone |
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| 22:23.30 | berto | hello, what is the way to have a bootsplash with debian etch ? |
| 22:23.41 | Fab | how to use "proxychains"? its already set but im unable to launch it, thankyou |
| 22:23.56 | berto | I use 2.6.15 kernel |
| 22:23.57 | Shadowcat | ok |
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| 22:24.05 | Shadowcat | Fab: I'm pretty sure that's NOT a part of debian |
| 22:24.09 | Dwonis | berto: by "bootsplash", what exactly do you mean? |
| 22:24.10 | Shadowcat | consult the program's documentation |
| 22:24.14 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 22:24.25 | Fab | Shadowcat: yes it is |
| 22:24.26 | Shadowcat | why are we expected to support everything under the sun in here |
| 22:24.33 | Dwonis | !info proxychains |
| 22:24.40 | dpkg | proxychains: (proxy chains - redirect connections through proxy servers), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 22:24.40 | berto | Dwonis, I mean a picture at the boot time instead of the boot text log |
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| 22:24.55 | Shadowcat | section optional, great, NOT part of debian |
| 22:25.03 | Shadowcat | consult the product's own documentation |
| 22:25.04 | abli | swim, Oh, yeah, that "export PYTHON=..." trick will work if you install from source and do that export before running configure. |
| 22:25.12 | action09 | Fab man proxychains and look at the config file, it's explained inside |
| 22:25.17 | Shadowcat | just because it's in the respository doesn't mean we have to know it in here |
| 22:25.18 | swim | ok cool thanks abli |
| 22:25.21 | gravity | Shadowcat: Section optional *is* part of Debian |
| 22:25.32 | Shadowcat | gravity: ok, not part of core |
| 22:25.37 | gravity | Shadowcat: You don't have to know everything about it, but saying that it's not part of Debian is shit |
| 22:25.41 | gravity | Shadowcat: What core? |
| 22:25.41 | gravity | There is no core |
| 22:26.00 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: so then just keep quiet if you don't know the answer to something? perhaps somebody else does? Or better, avoid #debian on Sundays =) |
| 22:26.18 | ACU07 | guys can you help me with a wget? |
| 22:26.19 | Shadowcat | !sunday |
| 22:26.19 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:26.24 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 22:26.31 | Shadowcat | !factinfo sunday |
| 22:26.31 | dpkg | sunday -- last modified at Sun Jul 20 23:52:08 2003 by bahamat!bahamat@cpe-024-165-169-104.midsouth.rr.com; it has been requested 284 times, last by EdLin at Sun Nov 27 06:41:10 2005. |
| 22:26.34 | zenwryly | what package do i dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure the display modes and default color depth of xorg? |
| 22:26.41 | Dwonis | !comfort Shadowcat |
| 22:26.42 | dpkg | There, there, Shadowcat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:26.43 | Fab | no man available |
| 22:26.52 | Shadowcat | Fab: then consult the product's website |
| 22:27.00 | Shadowcat | zenwryly: xserver-xorg |
| 22:27.02 | kspath | I do agree though that people seem to ask about things that have little/nothing to do with any distribution and expect a spoon-fed copy/paste solution. |
| 22:27.02 | gravity | zenwryly: xserver-xfree86 if you're on stable. xserver-xorg if you're on testing or unstable |
| 22:27.03 | Fab | Shadowcat: done |
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| 22:27.15 | ACU07 | I am trying to download Backports for Debian into my computer and I use the following command |
| 22:27.20 | ACU07 | ida01@ubuntuOMU:~$ wget 'http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/;to|/home/ida01/Desktop/BACKPORTS' |
| 22:27.25 | Shadowcat | kspath: on efnet that'd usually get you a ban |
| 22:27.29 | Fab | no information on this package |
| 22:27.37 | Dwonis | !efnet |
| 22:27.38 | action09 | Fab /etc/proxychains.conf |
| 22:27.38 | dpkg | efnet is the Eris Free Network - IRC With Script Kiddies. Servers: (US) irc.core.com irc.mcs.net irc.concentric.net irc.prison.net irc.lagged.org (EU) irc.ins.net.uk irc.homelien.no irc.isdnet.fr efnet.demon.co.uk, or efnet.vuurwerk.nl, or a piece of split, pardon the pun, see SFILOE, or http://efnet.net/serverlist.html or efnet is a joke. --lazarus |
| 22:27.43 | Shadowcat | Fab: I meant the product's homepage, NOT the package page |
| 22:27.44 | kspath | Shadowcat: pointing it out or doing it? |
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| 22:27.49 | Fab | action09: done, its ok |
| 22:27.59 | Eulex | ACU07, you didn't read the man page. that will just save the index of that page. |
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| 22:28.00 | Fab | Shadowcat: bat not examples |
| 22:28.02 | zenwryly | Shadowcat, gravity: That didn't do it |
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| 22:28.19 | Shadowcat | kspath: usually asking say about Excel in a Windows channel, gets you one hell of ban |
| 22:28.21 | gravity | zenwryly: Have you customized your config file? |
| 22:28.29 | Shadowcat | kspath: that usually goes for Office in general though |
| 22:28.38 | gravity | zenwryly: Like by hand? |
| 22:28.44 | zenwryly | ah, that's it |
| 22:28.48 | zenwryly | I see the message now |
| 22:28.48 | kspath | Shadowcat: That is the way it should work for the most part. |
| 22:28.53 | gravity | There you go. |
| 22:28.57 | ACU07 | Eulex - help me - is discouraging long and scary - I might need 3 days to read in detail - can you help ? I will really appreciate |
| 22:28.57 | swim | I thought the app to use for creating a package was something like "chckinstall" ? but I dont seem to have it nor do I see it in the repos... is there something else? |
| 22:28.58 | gravity | Just do the rest by hand |
| 22:29.02 | gravity | It's not that hard |
| 22:29.08 | Niklas_E | can you skip qt with mythtv? |
| 22:29.12 | Fab | if nobody knows this program, i will continue to search alone |
| 22:29.14 | zenwryly | gravity: how do I reinstall the dist version? |
| 22:29.23 | gravity | zenwryly: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 22:29.26 | kspath | Shadowcat: Or at least they should get a warning. Maybe a pointer where to go sometimes. |
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| 22:29.29 | Fab | thank you anyway |
| 22:29.33 | gravity | zenwryly: You can use that to let the package reconfigure your config file again |
| 22:29.45 | Eulex | ACU07, wget -rpm http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/ will probably work. read man wget to see what it does. |
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| 22:29.56 | Shadowcat | Eulex: RPM= |
| 22:29.57 | Shadowcat | ? |
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| 22:30.16 | sage_n_dewm | so can someone help me with a samba issue? |
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| 22:30.32 | Shadowcat | !tell sage_n_dewm about ask |
| 22:30.36 | zenwryly | gravity: thank |
| 22:30.37 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: recursive, page-requisites, mirror |
| 22:30.44 | Eulex | Shad0wcat, coincidence. you could use -mrp or -m -r -p instead |
| 22:30.52 | kspath | sage_n_dewm: There is a #samba and samba mailing list and there is a samba.org? Is it a debian specific question? |
| 22:31.01 | Shadowcat | Dwonis: you gotta admit though, that looks weird |
| 22:31.04 | Dwonis | Shadowcat, Eulex: although I think -r with -m is redundant |
| 22:31.08 | sage_n_dewm | no its not debian specific |
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| 22:31.14 | Eulex | Dwonis, oh, indeed it is |
| 22:31.15 | Shadowcat | sage_n_dewm: then ask in #samba |
| 22:31.17 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: yeah, it does |
| 22:31.28 | sage_n_dewm | cool thanks |
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| 22:31.34 | Eulex | Shadowcat, that's why I'm able to remember it. |
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| 22:32.01 | Trixy | hey guys, I'm trying to install a new PCMCIA wireless card. I used ndiswrapper to install the .inf driver, ndiswrapper -l says the device is present, modprobe ndiswrapper. Then the lights turn on and my device shows up in iwconfig. I can do iwlist wlan0 scanning and see the neighborhood. But when I iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys (an open AP), iwconfig wlan0 commit, and then try dhclient wlan0, I see "dhcpdiscover 255.255.255.0" an |
| 22:32.01 | Trixy | d then masses of "bogus UDP packet length: 556". What is wrong? |
| 22:32.03 | Eulex | hehe :) |
| 22:32.10 | Eulex | !gentoosmite Shadowcat |
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| 22:32.24 | randability | 'Alo. |
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| 22:33.37 | Trixy | sorry if my problem is a paragraph |
| 22:33.37 | Trixy | it's probably something simple |
| 22:34.03 | Shadowcat | I make it a policy not to read anything longer than two lines :P |
| 22:34.22 | Shadowcat | and two lines on a 1600x1200 screen is one LONG sentence |
| 22:34.25 | Eulex | Trixy, just ask. |
| 22:34.26 | Trixy | :\ |
| 22:34.45 | kspath | Shadowcat: If you monitor was high res and 40-50 inches perhaps it would be 2 lines. |
| 22:35.00 | Eulex | Shadowcat, depends on font. |
| 22:35.07 | Trixy | Eulex: I'm just having some problems with my wireless card |
| 22:35.09 | ACU07 | Eulex - thanks - Now I might be in trouble - if the download is more than % gig - thanks though - I really appreciate it ---- as everything else - "is imposiblle if you do not know it - is to easy if you know" |
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| 22:35.26 | blondie | I upgraded kernel from 2.6.8 to .15 using apt-get, but it didn't update my grub menu.lst -- should it have done so? |
| 22:35.27 | Eulex | ACU07, read man wget, it's not that hard |
| 22:35.30 | blondie | (on testing) |
| 22:35.34 | ceplma | Trixy: basically the point is that there is a card, but you get error message. Did you try to google for the error message? |
| 22:35.41 | Eulex | blondie, indeed it should |
| 22:35.51 | blondie | it didn't give any errors :| |
| 22:36.03 | blondie | can I just add it myself or should I do something else to fix it? |
| 22:36.41 | Trixy | ceplma, yes, but I didn't get any hits that seemed relevant |
| 22:36.42 | ACU07 | I wonder if I could have downloaded only the i386 packages - but what can I do ignorance can be compensated by brute force - so I will download everything ----- the download is rolling ! |
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| 22:36.52 | kspath | Dwonis: I am at least 3-5 times more irritable than Shadowcat today. |
| 22:36.56 | ceplma | Trixy: did you try groups.google.com |
| 22:37.04 | Dwonis | kspath: yes, but nobody cares about you ;) |
| 22:37.16 | Trixy | I'll check ceplma |
| 22:37.16 | kspath | Dwonis: Story of my life. |
| 22:37.19 | Eulex | Dwonis, he's always like that :P |
| 22:37.29 | dvs | Eulex: He's not reading ANY instructions |
| 22:37.49 | Eulex | dvs, indeed |
| 22:37.49 | swim | hey folks Im trying to use checkinstall after ./configure, and make, but I get this error and it fails: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/installwatch.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 22:38.11 | dvs | wayc swim |
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| 22:38.23 | swim | dvs, sorry? |
| 22:38.35 | Eulex | !wayc |
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| 22:38.48 | RvGaTe | How can i see how many ftp connections are open atm, and how do i do the same with samba... |
| 22:38.51 | Eulex | !wayc swim |
| 22:38.52 | dpkg | swim: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 22:39.17 | ceplma | Trixy: search on ndiswrapper "bogus UDP packet length: 556" gave me as second hit http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-146936.html I haven't read it thoroughly but it seems long enough to be interesting |
| 22:39.24 | swim | Eulex, dvs because this package doesnt exist its a music player called "Listen" |
| 22:39.36 | Eulex | swim, ok |
| 22:40.09 | Dwonis | dpkg, wayc is Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get) |
| 22:40.09 | dpkg | is Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get): Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 22:40.16 | Trixy | ceplma, that guy never got an answer to his problem |
| 22:40.24 | randability | How would I edit Xorg.conf to support a serial 3 button mouse? |
| 22:40.44 | ceplma | Trixy: OK, but there were some links to some threads, weren't they? |
| 22:41.16 | Trixy | ceplma, Followed them and no resolutions except one that said something totally nonsensical about having to change your Windows hostname to match your Unix hostname |
| 22:41.20 | Shadowcat | randability: man xorg.conf |
| 22:41.34 | Shadowcat | or, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:41.40 | erhanr | randability: xorgcfg -textmode |
| 22:41.41 | Trixy | ceplma, and nothing that explains what a bogus packet length is |
| 22:41.46 | randability | erhanr: Thanks. |
| 22:41.50 | randability | And Shadowcat. |
| 22:41.51 | ceplma | Trixy: Anyway, I don't know, for me ndiswrapper works like a charm. THere seems to be #ndiswrapper channel (http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/support.html) |
| 22:41.55 | ACU07 | Eulex - I pointed my download to a folder on a desktop - I wonder why - while is downloading I do not see any file on the destination folder - |
| 22:42.03 | Trixy | ceplma, thanks I'll check it out. |
| 22:42.19 | swim | Eulex, dvs, so any idea on that error? |
| 22:42.26 | erhanr | thanks yo Shadowcat too ;) |
| 22:42.26 | erhanr | to* |
| 22:42.26 | blondie | ok editing menu.lst "fixed" it c.c |
| 22:42.29 | blondie | evil dpkg thingy |
| 22:42.36 | erhanr | boi |
| 22:42.41 | dvs | swim: Nope, I don't compile my own packages |
| 22:43.40 | swim | because if I run make install myserlf it installs fine |
| 22:44.36 | Dwonis | berto: no idea about the "bootsplash" thing |
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| 22:44.54 | randability | Mmm |
| 22:45.02 | randability | I think my ncurses is screwing up |
| 22:45.09 | Eulex | ACU07, you don't understand how redirecting works. you don't understand how wget works. go read man wget and man bash. |
| 22:45.26 | Dwonis | berto: you could try splashy |
| 22:45.50 | randability | In lynx, like in google, when I hit down to select a link, the highlighted link may appear in a different place than where the link was when the page loaded. |
| 22:46.01 | berto | Dwonis, yes I saw it... thanks :) |
| 22:47.09 | berto | I have another problem. My PC doesn'ty shutdown. I have the "acpi-power-off" line and that's all. Is there something to do to have the system completly shutingdown ? |
| 22:47.21 | oskie | hm, will enabling jumbo frames provide a good performance boost, when all gig NICs involved are 32bit PCI? |
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| 22:47.36 | Shadowcat | oskie: how is this related to debian? |
| 22:47.46 | Shadowcat | this is a networking question |
| 22:47.57 | oskie | Shadowcat: i'm running debian on all computers involved ;) |
| 22:48.00 | Niklas_E | does the 3.1r2 have xfree86 or xorg? |
| 22:48.00 | Eulex | berto, what kernel? what command are you using to shutdown? |
| 22:48.00 | Niklas_E | urce/mythtv-0.19$ ls |
| 22:48.00 | Niklas_E | AUTHORS confi |
| 22:48.12 | dvs | Niklas_E: xfree86 |
| 22:48.37 | Niklas_E | ok, tnx |
| 22:48.38 | oskie | Shadowcat: but I get your point... I just don't know where to ask these kind of questions |
| 22:48.44 | Shadowcat | oskie: go ask in the appropriate channel |
| 22:48.46 | Shadowcat | it's troll sunday |
| 22:48.50 | Shadowcat | don't add to the bunch |
| 22:48.51 | Eulex | #networking? |
| 22:49.51 | berto | Eulex, I use debian etch, 2.6.15-1-686-smp kernel and I use halt command or gnome shutdown button or 'button event' from acpid |
| 22:49.57 | oskie | Eulex: thanks. |
| 22:50.45 | xixor | quick question, just wondering if anyone knows a quick command to change all .cc files to .cpp in a directory? |
| 22:51.10 | Eulex | xixor, rename? |
| 22:51.11 | Dwonis | !my |
| 22:51.12 | dpkg | Look, it's not "my Windows", "my Debian", "my ncurses", or "my <whatever else>"; It's Windows, Debian, ncurses, and <whatever else>. The only time this doesn't apply is when you are maintaining your own source tree of whatever you're talking about, which you almost certainly aren't. |
| 22:51.47 | ACU07 | Eulex - You are perfectly right - I do not know how wget or redirecting works that is why I asking you - thanks for your help -----I wish I knew how to get from those subfolders only the i386 files nothing else - |
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| 22:51.59 | oskie | xixor: something like this: for a in *.cc; do mv "$a" "${a/.cc/.cpp}"; done |
| 22:52.00 | jono | hi all |
| 22:52.02 | xixor | rename: checking, looks like you need to know regular expressions for that |
| 22:52.14 | jono | can I delete the syslog ? |
| 22:52.25 | Eulex | berto, hmm, sorry, no idea. asking because lots of people who can't shutdown correctly are running 2.4 kernels. |
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| 22:52.57 | berto | I read that 'acpi=force' in kernel parameter should help me... I'll try it.. |
| 22:53.01 | xixor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:54.02 | unstable | Are there any programs I can use on a web server, to display mail list information? emails from a crapload of people. maybe in an ajax enviroment like gmail does, so people can open/close tab a message via ajax. |
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| 22:54.20 | Eulex | ACU07, go read some bash tutorial. there should be plenty around. |
| 22:54.21 | navaburo | hello |
| 22:54.48 | navaburo | Has anyone here managed to get X.org 7.0 running on sarge? |
| 22:55.19 | Eulex | navaburo, maybe, but why would you want to do that? |
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| 22:55.55 | erhanr | sarge xorg 7 ? |
| 22:55.59 | calmar | ACU07: maybe 'find' or so. may ask in #bash or however |
| 22:56.02 | navaburo | Eulex, 1) for eyecandy 2) for using xgl 3) for developing on xgl |
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| 22:56.51 | marco13185 | hey, when I try to install KDE it asks for installation media, how do I make it download from the internet. |
| 22:56.58 | swim | very odd that there is no debian serpentine package actually |
| 22:57.37 | navaburo | marco13185, make sure you dont have anything about a cd in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:57.41 | Eulex | navaburo, basically, you rely on that somebody have backported it. otherwise you'll have to build from source. |
| 22:57.44 | CentrX | marco13185, there's some frontend tool but i forget it, so edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:58.28 | navaburo | Yes, I think i will build from source |
| 22:58.41 | Trewas | navaburo: xorg 7.0 is code-wise the same as 6.9, only packaging has changed... so there is no extra eye-candy nor xgl |
| 22:59.06 | magyar | need routing help. Can someone help a brother? |
| 22:59.07 | Eulex | navaburo, if you're a developer and know how to admin a debian system, and how to unbreak things when things break (because things do!) you could try running sid/unstable. if you're willing to wait a bit, you could try etch/testing. |
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| 22:59.22 | navaburo | Trewas, thanks. I will use 6.8.2 then, as tutorials exist |
| 22:59.24 | Eulex | Trewas, iirc xgl only runs on 7.0, not 6.9 |
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| 22:59.40 | navaburo | Eulex, why wait abit? |
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| 23:00.04 | Trewas | Eulex: anyway, xgl is not even in unstable even though it has xorg 7.0 |
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| 23:00.26 | Eulex | navaburo, oh sorry, found a source that says that it does run on xorg 6.9. you could probably get it working on 6.8.2 then too. |
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| 23:01.21 | navaburo | I tried to install Gentoo two days ago, in an attempt to have relative stability and recent libraries, however I forgot how much I like my debian |
| 23:01.30 | miki2 | i was running stable, but now i want to run testing/unstable, what should i change in apt sources? add backports? or something else/more? |
| 23:02.06 | Shadowcat | miki2: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be running testing/unstable |
| 23:02.27 | Trewas | navaburo: ubuntu dapper has xgl in case you want a debian-based distro and want to try xgl |
| 23:02.27 | unstable | navaburo: You installed gentoo for stability?!?!? |
| 23:02.38 | unstable | !start a distro war |
| 23:02.39 | dpkg | Ubuntu rocks! |
| 23:02.39 | miki2 | Shadowcat: how about constructive answer intead of wasting chat box space? |
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| 23:02.59 | navaburo | unstable, i said *relative* stability |
| 23:02.59 | Shadowcat | that is an constructive answer |
| 23:03.00 | erhanr | :) |
| 23:03.00 | Eulex | Shadowcat, umh, you're right. |
| 23:03.01 | unstable | miki2: If you have to ask, you shouldn't be running testing/unstable. |
| 23:03.57 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 23:03.58 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:03.58 | navaburo | miki2, Ubuntu is allways a good option, as Trewas says |
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| 23:06.46 | miki2 | great support channel, i wont say :O |
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| 23:08.10 | RvGaTe | miki2: if you dont like it, you can always leave... its up to you... or you can ask your money back ofcourse |
| 23:08.23 | abrotman | miki2: if you don't like it .. don't use #debian as a resource for help .. many other ways to get help with debian |
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| 23:08.40 | alexey__ | I have read about the fresh new LSB 3.1 ! |
| 23:08.43 | alexey__ | anybody read it ? (at least briefly) ? |
| 23:08.49 | Zax | Can someone nmap me? my ip is 216.211.66.171, id appreciate it |
| 23:08.49 | RvGaTe | LSB ? |
| 23:08.59 | RvGaTe | nmap? |
| 23:09.00 | Eulex | !lsb |
| 23:09.00 | alexey__ | http://webservices.freestandards.org/~mats/lsbspec-3.1rc3/booksets/LSB-Desktop-generic/LSB-Desktop-generic/book1.html |
| 23:09.00 | dpkg | i heard lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
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| 23:09.06 | RvGaTe | whaaaa to many terms for today |
| 23:09.08 | alexey__ | Desktop LSB is here ! |
| 23:09.19 | alexey__ | and it includes both KDE and GNOME ! |
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| 23:09.34 | Zax | Can someone nmap me?, once again my ip is 216.211.66.171, id appreciate it |
| 23:09.41 | miki2 | well, i just did simplae questions and i all get was: dont run debian from like 4 ppl |
| 23:09.42 | RvGaTe | !nmap |
| 23:09.43 | dpkg | i guess nmap is a Free Software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. http://www.insecure.org/nmap or don't do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself. |
| 23:09.44 | alexey__ | Zax: easyly |
| 23:09.55 | Zax | alexey__: thx |
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| 23:10.23 | Fab_Parma | how to make a proxy chain, i found only one but is for m$ |
| 23:10.27 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 23:10.27 | dpkg | bongswat is probably "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 23:10.27 | ifvoid | Zax: in progress |
| 23:10.34 | Zax | ifvoid: thx |
| 23:10.36 | Eulex | miki2, they didn't. they told you to not run testing or unstable if you have to ask about it. |
| 23:10.49 | Eulex | miki2, that is, they told you to use sarge. |
| 23:10.53 | miki2 | how about stable sux and dont support my mobo? |
| 23:10.57 | ifvoid | Zax: everything's closed |
| 23:11.04 | Zax | ifvoid: great, thanks |
| 23:11.07 | ifvoid | Zax: (on the standard tcp scan) |
| 23:11.12 | calmar | miki2: I have such a line there, can't help further so: deb ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/debian/ unstable main |
| 23:11.21 | miki2 | im running kernel fom kernel.org cuz it does, not even newest unstable 'debian kernel' can do that |
| 23:11.30 | RvGaTe | ifvoid: just for the fun of it, can you do mine aswell? pc.rvgate.nl |
| 23:11.34 | navaburo | miki2, what distros work? |
| 23:11.46 | miki2 | **** it does support my mobo**** |
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| 23:11.53 | alexey__ | Zax: |
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| 23:12.00 | alexey__ | All 1663 scanned ports on dynamic-216-211-66-171.tbaytel.net (216.211.66.171) are: closed |
| 23:12.05 | liable | miki2: did you actually do as i said and remove udev? |
| 23:12.07 | Fab_Parma | i'd like to make a chain of proxies, what program/packet ca i use? |
| 23:12.08 | Zax | nice, this is good news :D |
| 23:12.21 | Shadowcat | the newest kernel from debian unstable probably does support your motherboard miki2 |
| 23:12.22 | navaburo | miki2, you can try grabbing the ubuntu kernel if it helps |
| 23:12.23 | ifvoid | Fab_Parma: stop repeating, and go read squid's docs |
| 23:12.26 | miki2 | liable: nope, i found way around it to boot kernel and now im going to config it |
| 23:12.26 | Shadowcat | when it isn't busy segfaulting that is |
| 23:12.33 | miki2 | liable: it will work well i think |
| 23:12.38 | Shadowcat | navaburo: and NO, don't EVER recommend ubuntu packages in here |
| 23:12.46 | liable | miki2: then whats the problem if it works? |
| 23:12.53 | alexey__ | Zax: and you running Linux 2.6. |
| 23:13.02 | ifvoid | RvGaTe: hmm, takes a bit longer than with Zax |
| 23:13.12 | Fab_Parma | ifvoid: i do right now, thank you |
| 23:13.14 | Zax | yea, 2.4 doesnt recognise my mouse |
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| 23:13.27 | liable | miki2: does the kernel even boot? |
| 23:13.31 | navaburo | Shadowcat, sorry. You are right. That would be incest. |
| 23:13.33 | miki2 | liable: im getting some !failed messages while booting, also udev aint fully configurated, im trying to set my udev+modem right now |
| 23:13.34 | alexey__ | Zax: nmap allows to discover remote OS. |
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| 23:14.01 | Zax | alexey__: ah |
| 23:14.02 | swim | sweet got "Listen" working... verrry cool music player |
| 23:14.08 | miki2 | liable: i loaded pppoatm as module inside kernel config, and i got small problems with ti, but i will solve it by myself |
| 23:14.12 | RvGaTe | ifvoid: well, its a very small box, hard to find? :P |
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| 23:14.51 | alexey__ | Anybody interested in the LSB news ? |
| 23:15.04 | miki2 | liable: cuz i know what i need to do it, so now im asking about unstable/testing sources.list cuz drivers from stable are too old to work with things i got installed currently |
| 23:15.18 | Shadowcat | miki2: don't you get it |
| 23:15.30 | Shadowcat | you'll probably render your system unbootable if you run testing/unstable |
| 23:15.38 | Shadowcat | there's a bloody reason four people told you not to go there |
| 23:15.39 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.46 | Shadowcat | obviously all the regulars here are idiots |
| 23:15.48 | RvGaTe | ifvoid: still scanning? |
| 23:15.55 | ifvoid | RvGaTe: yeah |
| 23:16.11 | ifvoid | RvGaTe: are you DROPping stuff? |
| 23:16.12 | miki2 | Shadowcat: i got configured kernel wich is newer than newest kernel source on debian/unstable, and im running it almost fine |
| 23:16.29 | RvGaTe | ifvoid: im not touching anything atm |
| 23:16.40 | ifvoid | ah, done |
| 23:16.41 | miki2 | Shadowcat: i cant use stable sources cuz they are too old for me, packages wont isntall cuz some are outdated |
| 23:16.46 | Shadowcat | miki2: so you're telling me you're running 2.6.17-rc2? |
| 23:16.53 | Shadowcat | because I HIGHLY doubt that |
| 23:16.56 | miki2 | 2.6.16.9 |
| 23:17.01 | ifvoid | RvGaTe: ftp, ssh, http, https, pp2p and ms-term-serv are open |
| 23:17.04 | Shadowcat | which is what's unstable |
| 23:17.13 | Shadowcat | miki2: this is what I am talking about |
| 23:17.19 | Shadowcat | you don't even understand the naming system in debian |
| 23:17.24 | RvGaTe | ifvoid: all others closed? |
| 23:17.27 | ifvoid | yeah |
| 23:17.30 | RvGaTe | good |
| 23:17.33 | miki2 | but when i downloaded/installed it it was listed as unstable |
| 23:17.35 | ifvoid | and netbios filtered by your isp |
| 23:17.36 | Shadowcat | so how in the world do you expect to navigate a sea of broken packages |
| 23:17.36 | miki2 | now its not |
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| 23:17.50 | RvGaTe | ifvoid: any ideas why it took so long? |
| 23:17.52 | ACU07 | Eulex - you told me earlier some options for wget - wget -r something --- unfortunately I started the download and at the prompt I lost the command (as the download is going on) could you tell it to me again ? |
| 23:18.07 | ifvoid | RvGaTe: probably because packets are being dropped somewhere |
| 23:18.09 | liable | Shadowcat: he tried a backports kernel and it failed to boot properly. the easiest thing in the end was to compile one without an initrd. |
| 23:18.11 | ifvoid | rather than rejected |
| 23:18.26 | Shadowcat | liable: compiling a kernel is one thing |
| 23:18.36 | Shadowcat | running barely tested packages across the board is another all together |
| 23:18.43 | Zax | alexey__: What do you type to make it guess OS? |
| 23:18.46 | RvGaTe | 176.138.185.106 <- is that you? |
| 23:18.51 | RvGaTe | ifvoid |
| 23:18.59 | ifvoid | nope |
| 23:19.04 | ifvoid | i'm in casema.nl |
| 23:19.12 | miki2 | Shadowacat: so, for my best i should roll back to ms-dos cuz everything was stable there |
| 23:19.22 | ifvoid | 83.82.228.137 |
| 23:19.23 | RvGaTe | ifvoid then it didn't drop anything... |
| 23:19.29 | Zax | WHat do you type in nmap to amke it guess OS? |
| 23:19.31 | ifvoid | well, maybe chello is |
| 23:19.36 | alexey__ | Zax: nmap -O [IP] |
| 23:19.42 | ifvoid | Zax: -O i think |
| 23:19.42 | alexey__ | Remote OS detection: (06.04.2006) |
| 23:19.46 | alexey__ | http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap-fingerprinting-article.html |
| 23:19.47 | RvGaTe | ifvoid: possible, they suck at networking anyway... |
| 23:19.48 | ifvoid | but read the man page |
| 23:19.52 | Shadowcat | you should either run ubuntu, or if you want a challenge, you should learn apt properly so that you can run unstable without whining in here everytime you have a problem |
| 23:19.58 | Shadowcat | which usually happens several times a day |
| 23:20.14 | Shadowcat | !unstable |
| 23:20.14 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 23:20.17 | Zax | All 1663 scanned ports on dynamic-216-211-66-171.tbaytel.net (216.211.66.171) are: closed |
| 23:20.17 | Zax | Too many fingerprints match this host to give specific OS details |
| 23:20.22 | Eulex | ACU07, wget -rpm url |
| 23:20.40 | miki2 | Shadowcat: i asked one question and didnt get any answer, insted im forced to listen to some stupid brgging about kernel versions/ubuntu/etc |
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| 23:20.59 | Shadowcat | miki2: you got an answer |
| 23:21.02 | Shadowcat | just not the one you wanted |
| 23:21.08 | Solet | how do you restart a process that you stopped at cli with ctrl+z i cant remember the command... |
| 23:21.16 | ifvoid | fg |
| 23:21.20 | ifvoid | (foreground) |
| 23:21.21 | miki2 | Shadowcat: so its not an answer at all, at least for me |
| 23:21.22 | Shadowcat | and I've been in this business so long now that I honestly don't care if you don't get the one you wanted |
| 23:21.22 | ifvoid | or bg |
| 23:21.28 | ifvoid | (for background) |
| 23:21.32 | Shadowcat | you get the answer that's right and proper |
| 23:21.37 | Shadowcat | if you don't like it, it's not my problem |
| 23:21.53 | miki2 | Shadowcat: answer for wich question? non-stated one? or not mine? |
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| 23:22.39 | ACU07 | Eulex -thanks I have to write it down now --- I am still working on the selective file download - |
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| 23:23.00 | RvGaTe | ifvoid: thx for scanning, seems to be fine... |
| 23:23.26 | nvz | well in trying to sleep off the two full time jobs I landed yesturday I got another call about a job.. involves all expense paid trip to florida for like 4-5 weeks |
| 23:23.46 | nvz | life is strange sometimes, how you can go from no work, to people fighting over you |
| 23:23.48 | abrotman | stay with paul! |
| 23:23.56 | CraZyLeGs | aptitude is apt-get right ? |
| 23:24.03 | RvGaTe | nvz: just fight back.. :P |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | no .. aptitude is aptitude .. apt-get is apt-get |
| 23:24.17 | Zax | basically, more meant for updating though |
| 23:24.24 | CraZyLeGs | what's the difference |
| 23:24.25 | erhanr | and .deb is deb |
| 23:24.31 | CraZyLeGs | ah |
| 23:24.37 | Zax | aptitude is mainly for updating already installed stuff |
| 23:24.48 | blakkino | <erhanr> and .deb is deb <- are u sure of that? |
| 23:24.48 | liable | huh? |
| 23:24.58 | Shadowcat | Zax: quiet |
| 23:25.05 | nvz | I think I am gonna tell CPS to go **** themselves, I may spend the remainder of my time until I leave for florida at the other place.. then I think I am gonna take the job in florida.. since it sounds good and I dont have a better plan. |
| 23:25.17 | erhanr | :) or that . dpkg |
| 23:25.22 | Zax | Shadowcat: What did I do? :S |
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| 23:26.06 | Zax | Shadowcat: o....k... |
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| 23:26.36 | Zax | !flirt abrotman |
| 23:27.20 | RvGaTe | ? |
| 23:27.20 | nvz | I will probably be spending 4-5 weeks in florida with paid hotel, and food and I could make between $1000-$1250 or so just doing really light work mostly driving around (not paying for the gas) and carrying some things and lending a 2nd pair of hands. |
| 23:27.48 | RvGaTe | sounds like the perfect job nvz |
| 23:27.53 | magyar | need routing help. Can someone help a brother? |
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| 23:28.03 | nvz | after working from 5am-1am yesturday at two full time jobs I landed neither of which impressed me much I feel like escaping for a while |
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| 23:28.53 | nvz | RvGaTe: sounds like a paid vacation |
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| 23:31.18 | Solet | whats the semi graphical formatting utility that runs in terminal called? |
| 23:31.23 | Solet | its not fdisk is it? |
| 23:31.32 | liable | nvz: just driving around with some things? not working for a guy called Pablo by any chance? |
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| 23:32.14 | ZoFreX | when I boot I remember a message something like "assuming 33 mhz for pci bus" - does anyone know the message I mean? And would it be a very bad thing if my pci bus is not 33mhz? (it's 30) |
| 23:32.29 | rubyat | cfdisk |
| 23:32.45 | RvGaTe | nvz: if you are not allowed to have a look at the "package", its not always a great vacation.. :P |
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| 23:32.50 | dhuv | hello all |
| 23:32.54 | RvGaTe | hi |
| 23:33.04 | erhanr | hi |
| 23:33.06 | nvz | liable: no its a relative of mine from WV.. he has for a long time been an electrical technician.. he works on arcade games, jukeoxes, and slot machines.. this trip is mostly setting up slots as I understand.. he's old and needs someone to help drive, carry tools, and give him an extra hand. the lady he works for is paying for the hotel, and he's paying gas and food.. so all I got to do is tag along and make $200-250 a week |
| 23:33.51 | liable | nvz: see if you can score a pinball machine while you're at it :) |
| 23:34.00 | thingfish | they're expensive |
| 23:34.05 | zenwryly | is there a way to chance the color depth of a running X session? |
| 23:34.07 | nvz | liable: compared to sitting here in PA for that time making about the same money doing way more work.. it sounds good |
| 23:34.11 | liable | now they are, used to be cheap |
| 23:34.18 | dhuv | I have been running debian testing on my t42 for quite some time now. It used to go into standby with Fn + F4 and come back no problems if I used vbetool, but it has not been working for a little while |
| 23:34.25 | liable | nvz: sounds like a fait deal to me. |
| 23:34.29 | liable | fair |
| 23:34.29 | thingfish | old ones that still work, especially since they're collectible. |
| 23:34.52 | thingfish | yeah it'd be great as long as your uncle gets high. |
| 23:34.54 | dhuv | The screen has wierd colorful patterns when coming back |
| 23:35.03 | dhuv | does anybody have any ideas about this? |
| 23:35.06 | liable | thingfish: they are all coolectable now, the two main makers are going out/ have gone out of business |
| 23:35.12 | nvz | liable: since the one of the two jobs I landed yesturday I liked is through a temp agency anyhow and the guy doesnt plan on doing any long term employment anytime soon.. it seems the best of my 3 choices |
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| 23:35.17 | thingfish | didn't know that liable |
| 23:36.01 | RvGaTe | LOLOLOL, my dad woke up (1.35 am), went to the toilet and PUKED... hahahahha |
| 23:36.03 | liable | thingfish: playstation killed the pin ball :( |
| 23:36.05 | thingfish | you know there is something wrong with me I guess that I can't last more than 3 hours or so with any distro besides debian sarge. |
| 23:36.06 | pandrew | hi! i am installing nvidia drivers. the install script asked for the kernel source. i installed it, and extracted it, but now it can't find some file, and it says that my kernel source hasn't been configured. Do i need to copy some files from /boot, and run something? |
| 23:36.17 | nvz | liable: I thought that CPS was gonna be a good job, they wanted to hire me in at $10/hr but I come to find out you spend way too much time sitting around off the clock with what I call "a nickel holding a dollar up" so it really doesnt matter what your wage is if you are off the clock more than you are on. |
| 23:36.37 | Daedalus_ | !tell pandrew about nvidia |
| 23:36.45 | cheal | !tell pandrew about nvidia-installer |
| 23:36.45 | thingfish | RvGaTe: too many martinis? |
| 23:36.57 | thingfish | RvGaTe: or maybe he ate peyote... |
| 23:37.10 | RvGaTe | thingfish: dunno, maybe just regular beer |
| 23:37.23 | thingfish | that'll do it too |
| 23:37.30 | liable | nvz: sucks. enjoy your time in Florida, should see if you can get an apprenticeship and become a sparky. (if you have apprenticeships over there) |
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| 23:37.59 | nvz | liable: they give you $0.25 "raises" for being able to move more packages.. but in reality the fact that you did it faster and then had to clock off sooner, means you actually took a cut.. they got the crackheads that desperately need money fooled, but not me I can see the fine print and I know how to do math |
| 23:38.08 | RvGaTe | thingfish: i hope the toilet is clean tho, i need to piss :S |
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| 23:38.26 | Solet | why can only one primary partition be bootable? |
| 23:38.57 | nvz | liable: If I spend a month or so in florida with paid hotel and food I am going to be considering my options to seek perminant employment and stick around :P |
| 23:39.12 | RvGaTe | Solet: becouse else the system dozn't know where to boot from? |
| 23:39.35 | Solet | i'm setting up a win/debian multi boot i have 50gig primary win95 fat32 bootable, 10gig primary linux bootable, 20gig logical linux, and 1 gig logical swap |
| 23:40.03 | nvz | I havent been to florida in like 10 years, but I am sure I will not be thinking about PA while I am there |
| 23:40.08 | RvGaTe | Solet: you'll need a bootloader then |
| 23:40.14 | Solet | no shit |
| 23:40.19 | RvGaTe | yyeah :P |
| 23:40.19 | Solet | i plan on using grub |
| 23:40.25 | nvz | I got a phone now, and everyone's number.. I can keep in touch with my friends from the beach :P |
| 23:40.29 | Solet | but why wont it let me make 2 bootable partitions? |
| 23:40.36 | Solet | would it help if one of them was logical? |
| 23:40.57 | Solet | in which case which is better to make logical? the windows partition or the *nix partittion |
| 23:41.32 | nvz | Solet: the issue isnt which is logical or not cause that doesnt matter.. the issue is more what works and what doesnt. |
| 23:41.53 | nvz | Solet: windows would need to be installed before linux and thus would probably end up on the primary partition hda1 |
| 23:41.55 | thingfish | Solet: you can make 4 primary partitions, one of them bootable. that's the way it is. |
| 23:42.23 | Solet | can i make a logical bootable? |
| 23:42.33 | liable | yes |
| 23:42.34 | Solet | i need both hda1 and hda2 to be bootable |
| 23:42.39 | nvz | you cant in most cases get windows to install as a 2nd OS it needs to think its alone |
| 23:42.48 | liable | linux doesnt really need it |
| 23:42.57 | Solet | yeah... if it knows something else is there it tries to eat it |
| 23:42.59 | thingfish | I would be interested in why you think you need that. |
| 23:43.00 | nvz | Solet: bootable flag doesnt mean anything |
| 23:43.31 | nvz | Solet: the PC's bios doesnt boot partitions anyhow, it hands control to the MBR regaurdless of the partition table |
| 23:43.35 | Solet | ok that cant be entirely true.... its there for a reason... it must mean something |
| 23:43.48 | Solet | aha |
| 23:43.48 | nvz | Solet: what code resides on the MBR controls what is "bootable" and what is not |
| 23:44.14 | thingfish | and the mbr only resides on one disk |
| 23:44.20 | Solet | so should my linux partition just be a non bootable primary? |
| 23:44.51 | nvz | Solet: a lot of things in this industry are legacy features that were never to this day used.. like the different operating states of x86 processors.. most OSs only use one or two of the four |
| 23:45.36 | bucky | Solet: thats fine.. grub doesn't care if it's flagged or not |
| 23:45.38 | nvz | Solet: they were just oversight in the original design of the architecture to try and oversee future problems |
| 23:46.04 | nvz | Solet: people that invented the bootable flag didnt know about grub which appeared years later |
| 23:46.20 | Solet | ok thanks bucky, nvz, thingfish, liable, and other dude who's name is too far away to scroll to that couldnt spell worth a crap |
| 23:46.29 | Solet | nvz: that makes sense... |
| 23:47.14 | nvz | MBR code was very primative back then |
| 23:47.26 | nvz | multi-booting wasnt really thought about |
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| 23:48.07 | myboxen | hmm |
| 23:48.26 | nvz | in light of advancements of technology we have deprecated the bootable flag which these architectures only allow one of |
| 23:48.55 | nvz | its been overridden by more advanced code that we can install onto an MBR now |
| 23:48.56 | thingfish | ok... |
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| 23:50.01 | godmachine81 | has anyone updated etch this evening? i noticed several updates, and i was wondering if they are all good to go or if i'd end up broke.. |
| 23:50.21 | nvz | godmachine81: install apt-lisbugs or apt-listchanges |
| 23:50.52 | Solet | how do you view all partitions (mounted or not) that are on a particular disk |
| 23:50.56 | nvz | godmachine81: dont ask here about stuff you should already know about. if you use a non-stable branch you should know the sources that carry that sort of info.. the BTS, the changelogs.. etc |
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| 23:51.21 | nvz | Solet: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 23:53.07 | nvz | godmachine81: there isnt anyone who could or would read and digest the whole BTS, Changelogs, Debian Weekly News, Linux Kernel Mailing Lists.. etc.. for your specific system configuration and package choices |
| 23:53.25 | nvz | godmachine81: you need to develop good habbits to track your own progress |
| 23:53.46 | nvz | tools like apt-listbugs can really help |
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| 23:54.06 | liable | hrm, lots of udev upgrades lately. makes me nervous.. |
| 23:54.27 | godmachine81 | nvz in general if you update on a regular basis i figured someone might have updated their etch last night and today both.. i am not asking for a list of bugs or changelogs.. im just curious to know who is using all these new packages... |
| 23:54.39 | nvz | wouldn bother me, I dont use or pay any attention to the status of udev |
| 23:54.46 | SimonRaven | !popcon |
| 23:54.46 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 23:55.09 | nvz | godmachine81: someone using an Sun Ultra5, with completly different package configuration than you on your P4 or whatever |
| 23:55.28 | nvz | godmachine81: you understand how useless the info your question would gather would be? |
| 23:55.51 | godmachine81 | nvz ok lets get technical and geeky in here |
| 23:55.55 | SimonRaven | who's using it? it doesn't matter. |
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| 23:55.56 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:55.56 | godmachine81 | just forget about it |
| 23:56.04 | godmachine81 | i was only asking a general question |
| 23:56.08 | nvz | where as apt-get upgrade with apt-listbugs installed would be all the latest relevant known info |
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| 23:56.16 | thingfish | SimonRaven: peace man |
| 23:56.19 | CentrX | godmachine81, what packages specifically? |
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| 23:56.27 | godmachine81 | yea from a technical standpoint...... |
| 23:56.45 | godmachine81 | CentrX: nevermind ill just see do the testing.. after all thats all etch is.. |
| 23:57.00 | nvz | you are asking a technical question you obviously dont understand it |
| 23:57.18 | thingfish | godmachine81: you have to understand that some people who come here enjoy nothing more than hearing themselves speak. |
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| 23:57.36 | nvz | if your upgrade will break or not is 100% unknown in this universe.. all you can do is browse known issues.. and apt-listbugs does that for you AUTOMATICALLY |
| 23:58.09 | nvz | then you read the bugs it lists, make sure they aplly to your architecture, and the versions of packages you are installing and rule on your own level of importance wether or not you should upgrade that |
| 23:58.09 | godmachine81 | ive noticed that thingfish |
| 23:58.45 | nvz | each piece of code you upgrade on each different system needs to be carefully thought over in a technical manner |
| 23:58.59 | godmachine81 | nvz: everyone doesnt make it a full time job to run debian.. .. looks like your just making it a full time job to blabber off stuff that i already know... |
| 23:59.16 | nvz | else you should use stable.. where someone else already did all that stuff and the upgrades were already deemed safe |
| 23:59.20 | godmachine81 | my god |
| 23:59.24 | SimonRaven | thingfish: kwe kwe as they say in these parts |
| 23:59.24 | thingfish | nvz: meth ruins a lot of people. |
| 23:59.38 | godmachine81 | thingfish: should i have said A MEN brother after your statement?? |
| 23:59.39 | godmachine81 | lmao |
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