| 00:00.14 | ribnitz | h3xis: save important data before you do, and look in syslog. |
| 00:00.21 | h3xis | will do |
| 00:00.40 | stew | jair: what is the point of running upgrade if you are just going to follow it with dist-upgrade anyway? |
| 00:01.06 | h3xis | o.O it's still running, how strange |
| 00:01.16 | ribnitz | h3xis: kill -9 ? |
| 00:01.33 | jair | stew, ohh I thought that the dist-upgrade and the upgrade were different. |
| 00:01.43 | godmachine81 | whats up everyone.. |
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| 00:01.56 | jair | stew, but it is not executing it. |
| 00:02.13 | h3xis | ribnitz, what's that do? |
| 00:02.17 | jair | stew, and I already run chmod +x script |
| 00:02.19 | stew | jair: yes, they are different. but i dont' see the point of running both |
| 00:02.20 | godmachine81 | jair: they are |
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| 00:02.43 | jair | ok I will say keep the system and packages up to date? |
| 00:02.58 | godmachine81 | dist-upgrade will get ya everything in your distribution tree, upgrade will just upgrade the packages that doesnt require changes |
| 00:03.23 | godmachine81 | dist-upgrade gets ya everything in your distribution tree that is upgradeable that is.. |
| 00:03.28 | jair | godmachine81, thank you very much for clarify this. |
| 00:03.33 | godmachine81 | n/p |
| 00:04.01 | jair | godmachine81, any expereince with scripts? |
| 00:04.11 | godmachine81 | yes some |
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| 00:04.35 | jair | I am trying to learn scripts i want to take the certification test for linux in a couple of months, from the LPI |
| 00:05.09 | jair | godmachine81, can you check the script I am trying to create to test and practice. http://pastebin.com/677913 |
| 00:05.16 | godmachine81 | jair: what kind of college degree do you have or are you getting? |
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| 00:05.52 | jair | godmachine81, I have a Bachelor Degree Management Information Systems. |
| 00:05.54 | opnsrc | How do I change the x - server priority. I accidently set it to a wrong value during installation |
| 00:05.55 | opnsrc | ? |
| 00:06.18 | opnsrc | I want to set it to -5 |
| 00:06.36 | godmachine81 | jair: cool |
| 00:06.41 | jair | godmachine81, now just trying to add more things to my resume, like certifications in Linux, and at the same time get more confortable with the system I work with Linux/Unix |
| 00:07.06 | godmachine81 | jair: the script you are making is rather simple, yet it will work.. but you can omit apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:08.19 | godmachine81 | i have a degree in Computer Network Systems and Information Systems Security |
| 00:09.17 | chealer | opnsrc: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 00:09.23 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 00:09.43 | jair | godmachine81, nice I am talking too on the #basch channel |
| 00:09.46 | opnsrc | Wow, my debian was so outdated that it took forever to upgrade it all |
| 00:09.49 | jair | bash |
| 00:10.59 | godmachine81 | jair: this will work here http://pastebin.com/677941 |
| 00:12.39 | rage | Hey, I'm doing a dist-upgrade at the moment, it wants to remove xserver-common, has that package been removed or something recently? |
| 00:12.48 | jair | godmachine81, cool let me check ok. may i know your age? |
| 00:12.51 | rage | I'm running unstable by the way |
| 00:13.07 | SimonRaven | rage: read your changelogs |
| 00:13.22 | SimonRaven | apt-get install apt-listchanges apt-listbugs |
| 00:13.27 | Oryn | am I doing something wrong? or has anyone noticed xdm seems to not work in sid currently? |
| 00:13.35 | rage | Okay, ta |
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| 00:13.59 | jair | godmachine81, I do not see the difference you remove the &&? |
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| 00:14.27 | rage | SimonRaven: is that info available somewhere else? Apt is tied up doing the upgrade |
| 00:14.37 | SimonRaven | rage: basically, there have been changes in the x packaging. xorg 7 has been in for a little while. |
| 00:14.38 | godmachine81 | also removed apt-get upgrade |
| 00:14.55 | rage | ah okay -) |
| 00:15.05 | nn_school | Knoppix Games = http://70.16.146.232:5190/kg.iso |
| 00:15.07 | rage | Hopefully my tablet pen will work better |
| 00:15.26 | godmachine81 | SimonRaven: there isn't a apt-listbugs package |
| 00:15.34 | rage | Its been jumpy in the recent version of X |
| 00:15.51 | opnsrc | (still not done upgrading) |
| 00:15.53 | pngwn | nn_school, stop with the knoppix stuff in here |
| 00:16.58 | opnsrc | I like knoppix but this isn't the channel |
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| 00:17.06 | opnsrc | Actually I like kanotix better * |
| 00:17.08 | bonez41 | how does Debian do, running on a laptop? |
| 00:17.24 | SimonRaven | !tell godmachine81 -about search |
| 00:17.25 | pmiller9 | what is the equivalent to cvs $Id: $ in SVN? |
| 00:17.30 | opnsrc | (actually a lot of things I think are better than knoppix) |
| 00:17.42 | rage | bonez41 : depends on the laptop |
| 00:17.52 | rage | on my tablet it works quite well :-) |
| 00:17.56 | bonez41 | rage, well, it's a Dell....2 years old or so...that is all I know thus far |
| 00:18.02 | rage | but it took a bit of work :-) |
| 00:18.05 | bonez41 | tablet, eh? HP? Toshiba? |
| 00:18.09 | rage | Acer |
| 00:18.15 | bonez41 | rage, what sort of challenges? |
| 00:18.16 | rage | C111tci |
| 00:18.33 | rage | The pen, 3d acceleration, wireless |
| 00:18.35 | bonez41 | I have never had a laptop...... |
| 00:18.42 | bonez41 | ah.... |
| 00:19.06 | rage | Other problems I've had are the odd laptop resolutions, 1280x800 ect |
| 00:19.11 | SimonRaven | pmiller9: same, but set it up with $Id$ |
| 00:19.20 | SimonRaven | ii apt-listbugs 0.0.49 Lists critical bugs before each apt installation |
| 00:19.26 | SimonRaven | amazing, it exists |
| 00:19.26 | rage | Fortunately my tablet is 1024x768 |
| 00:19.28 | opnsrc | Why do some of these laptops have the strangest resolutions? |
| 00:19.29 | pmiller9 | SimonRaven: thanks! |
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| 00:20.03 | SimonRaven | pmiller9: then you have to run svn propset svn:keywords 'Id' file |
| 00:20.07 | rage | Wide screen is a selling point apparently, :-( personally I hate wide screen |
| 00:20.15 | SimonRaven | or suomething like that |
| 00:20.18 | SimonRaven | some* |
| 00:21.08 | SimonRaven | eh, i'd rather have a decent res instead of a fucked up one like that |
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| 00:22.21 | rage | I have a small laptop so 1024x768 is good for me :-)it's only a 10" |
| 00:22.51 | MatBoy | DOes someone know a P2P module for webmin ? |
| 00:23.23 | opnsrc | I kinda agree with rage |
| 00:23.23 | stew | MatBoy: i can't even imagine what that would do? |
| 00:23.27 | opnsrc | on the widescreen issue |
| 00:23.28 | h3xis | where's the file located to allow boot logging? |
| 00:23.34 | opnsrc | Too used to full screen |
| 00:23.36 | stew | h3xis: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 00:23.47 | h3xis | ty |
| 00:23.54 | MatBoy | stew: integrating something like emule into webmin |
| 00:24.01 | MatBoy | just one CP for all |
| 00:24.40 | bonez41 | rage, well, I'll let you know how the install goes on this one |
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| 00:25.10 | rage | okay, best of luck, dont be disheartened, :-) |
| 00:25.25 | pmiller9 | SimonRaven: SVN won't automatically update the Id keyword for me? |
| 00:25.50 | SimonRaven | pmiller9: it will once you run propset on it |
| 00:26.16 | SimonRaven | see the svn book |
| 00:26.23 | pmiller9 | SimonRaven: can I have SVN automatically run propset on new files? |
| 00:26.28 | pmiller9 | SimonRaven: svn book? |
| 00:26.53 | SimonRaven | yeh, but it doesn't work for me. but you edit your ~/.subversion/config to set it |
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| 00:27.19 | SimonRaven | well, at least i haven't checked if it does, so don't quote me on that :) |
| 00:27.51 | SimonRaven | um, svnbook.redbean.com IIRC |
| 00:28.16 | _ericb | anyone here have feedbacks using XFS for linux ? when the fs crashes, how long does it takes to recover ? does it scales well over raid ? |
| 00:28.51 | SimonRaven | not long (recovery) |
| 00:29.02 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, can I install debian sarge having just 16M of RAM on a 486 DX2 66mhz? |
| 00:29.31 | _ericb | SimonRaven and is it hard to setup with lastest debian release ? |
| 00:29.36 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: that's the minimum. you asked this before didn't you? |
| 00:29.50 | rage | SonnyBurnett: yes, but I wouldn't want to run a GUI |
| 00:29.54 | SimonRaven | _ericb: no. right from the installer you can do it |
| 00:30.10 | Supaplex | my firewall has more oomph then that :P |
| 00:30.14 | rage | At least, not the xorg based one |
| 00:30.30 | _ericb | oh good, woody didn't supported it :( |
| 00:30.39 | SonnyBurnett | SimonRaven, yep but now I'm reading the Help of installer and it says that the minimum is 24M of RAM |
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| 00:31.36 | SonnyBurnett | SonnyBurnett, What Kernel do you recommend me to perform my installation: i486 DX2 66Mhz, 16M RAM, 340M hdd x 2 |
| 00:31.42 | godmachine81 | SimonRaven: what was the purpose in the !search? |
| 00:32.26 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: it is? well when sarge came out it was 16 |
| 00:32.42 | dingus9 | hey I am having trouble installing debian on a sata HD and suggestions? |
| 00:32.42 | SimonRaven | godmachine81: for you to read it |
| 00:32.44 | Supaplex | SonnyBurnett: I would say no. but if you are determined, it might work... try pulling up some swap space before the installer gets kicked off. (and if you can't do it by hand, give up early) |
| 00:33.19 | Supaplex | my 32mb laptop gave me fits. it was a royal pain :) |
| 00:33.40 | Stevie | 32mb ram or hd space? |
| 00:33.44 | Supaplex | ram |
| 00:34.03 | Supaplex | my first hdd was 40mb. |
| 00:34.05 | shogunx | SonnyBurnett on the other hand, memory for a 486 is pretty cheap now. |
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| 00:34.31 | Supaplex | if he stops by my place, I'll give him as many 32pin simms as we can find. >:) |
| 00:34.40 | shogunx | exactly |
| 00:34.50 | SonnyBurnett | shogunx, in my country its hard to find some... and they sell them expensive |
| 00:34.57 | rage | I was about to say, I think I've got a Pentium 133 around here somewhere |
| 00:35.11 | Supaplex | SonnyBurnett has his own country? ;) |
| 00:35.16 | shogunx | SonnyBurnett they are light and could go in regualr postal mail, right? |
| 00:35.47 | Supaplex | he's in peru if whois proves correct |
| 00:35.47 | SonnyBurnett | lol |
| 00:35.57 | SonnyBurnett | Yep |
| 00:36.31 | shogunx | apt-get install memory... wouldn't that be great. |
| 00:36.40 | SonnyBurnett | lol |
| 00:36.42 | Supaplex | well, I know how to pay for my next vacation to peru. :) |
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| 00:36.54 | SimonRaven | yeh :). this thing needs some :) |
| 00:37.08 | rage | apt-get install AMD-64-X2 |
| 00:37.14 | rage | I wish :-( |
| 00:37.27 | SimonRaven | and the mobo to go with it |
| 00:37.33 | rage | Indeed |
| 00:37.35 | Supaplex | apt-get remove --purge commuter-traffic |
| 00:38.00 | rage | Wouldn't it be great if hardware was as free as Debian :-) |
| 00:38.04 | SimonRaven | apt-get install smp-powerpc-970 |
| 00:38.33 | SonnyBurnett | Ohhhh C'mon.... F**ing Diskettes... they always fail! |
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| 00:38.50 | shogunx | rage it depends only on if you want new hardware... I have gotten lots for free. |
| 00:39.04 | rage | Yeah, new hardware :-) |
| 00:39.11 | SimonRaven | i gotta set up dak... *sigh*. sooo buuusy :| |
| 00:39.18 | shogunx | rage ahh, then you must pay. |
| 00:39.23 | rage | Indeed :-( |
| 00:39.41 | shogunx | rage but dumpsters sprout 2 year old gear! |
| 00:39.51 | rage | Yes, I've noticed :-) |
| 00:40.05 | rage | my uni threw our all sorts of gear a few weeks ago |
| 00:40.31 | rage | picked up at a waist height 19" rack, a nice 15amp variable psu |
| 00:40.48 | rage | there wasa huge stack of Apple II's |
| 00:40.48 | shogunx | rage make that dorm bill count with the power you use running machines you recycled from them. |
| 00:41.04 | rage | hehe :-) |
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| 00:41.38 | rage | I was mainly interested in parts anyway |
| 00:41.39 | Coding_black | #ath |
| 00:41.56 | rage | I was running low on sata cables, there was a stack of them in there |
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| 00:44.16 | Stevie | rage: lucky bastard |
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| 00:44.43 | shogunx | good old groundscore |
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| 00:46.09 | SonnyBurnett | can you tell me how to create a installer diskette from a img, without using windows |
| 00:46.45 | zirikili | hi... I am loading 2 modules ov511 (webcam) and genericv4l (tv tuner) and both are getting /dev/vide0. how do I use a separate device for each module? |
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| 00:47.18 | Supaplex | why on earth whould they steal the same device... that's odd |
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| 00:48.59 | Supaplex | !rootsmite miki2 |
| 00:49.31 | zirikili | when I run a lsmod I get videodev for ov511,genericv4l ... are they on separate devices? |
| 00:50.05 | Supaplex | lsmod in that context isn't describing what device notes they are bound to. |
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| 00:51.16 | zirikili | Supaplex: thanks |
| 00:51.21 | refa33s | i can't start X on sid: error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 00:52.33 | devicenull | I'm getting an error after I did apt-get upgrade |
| 00:52.42 | devicenull | it's saying failed to create initrd image |
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| 00:53.12 | devicenull | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 failed to install. |
| 00:54.16 | kanenass | i need drivers for my tv card |
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| 00:54.56 | Aerta | anyone have any idea what might be causing dpkg to die with an error: 'dpkg: dpkg - error: PATH is not set.'? |
| 00:55.39 | SimonRaven | Aerta: your PATH isn't set. like it says |
| 00:55.47 | SimonRaven | Aerta: echo $PATH |
| 00:55.49 | Dwonis | Aerta: run "su -" and try again |
| 00:56.18 | Aerta | SimonRaven: echo $PATH gives /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 00:56.23 | Dwonis | Aerta: You'll get that if you're bypassing normal login and just getting a shell via init=/bin/sh boot parameters or whatever.... oh? |
| 00:56.44 | SimonRaven | look at that. wtf |
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| 00:57.19 | Aerta | dwonis: huh, its a shell started from chroot. Why does that happen? |
| 00:57.38 | SimonRaven | Aerta: what does whoami say ? |
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| 00:57.57 | SimonRaven | oh, ok. how did you chroot? |
| 00:58.00 | Aerta | SimonRaven: is root but aparrently wasn't running a login shell or something |
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| 00:58.13 | Aerta | SimonRaven: chroot /new/root/dir |
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| 00:58.31 | SimonRaven | try running chroot /new/dir /bin/bash |
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| 00:58.44 | SimonRaven | or /bin/sh or /bin/zsh ;p |
| 00:58.45 | flux | hello :) |
| 00:58.51 | SimonRaven | (stick with bash) |
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| 00:58.56 | Aerta | SimonRaven: or maybe I have to stick a hypen in fron of it or some goofy thing |
| 00:58.56 | Dwonis | !start a shell war |
| 00:58.56 | dpkg | tcsh owns esh |
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| 00:59.02 | opnsrc | When I try to type in apt-get upgrade it says E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 00:59.05 | opnsrc | How do I fix this? |
| 00:59.10 | anarcat | ugh, stupid mouse |
| 00:59.24 | flux | excuse me, i wonder if it is possible to emulate keyboard input on a distant term/app ? |
| 00:59.33 | SimonRaven | Aerta: no |
| 00:59.40 | SimonRaven | opnsrc: not helpful. what does it say above that? |
| 00:59.50 | SimonRaven | @tell opnsrc about paster |
| 01:00.06 | opnsrc | a long list of stuff |
| 01:00.12 | anarcat | somegeek, difficult xorg transition in sid? |
| 01:00.13 | Solet | how do you find an apt package name if all you have is the program name? i want to get sound juicer cd ripper |
| 01:00.18 | anarcat | anyone actually pulled it? |
| 01:00.25 | anarcat | i mean: made it successfully? |
| 01:00.52 | flux | kind of : |
| 01:01.14 | opnsrc | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2425 |
| 01:01.35 | flux | echo a > /dev/stdin -> output on a distant X, on the term you have there |
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| 01:02.14 | miki | what hould i type to use testing packages instead of stable ones? |
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| 01:03.10 | miki | nvm lol |
| 01:03.10 | pngwn | Solet, try apt-cache search sound-juicer |
| 01:03.16 | Dwonis | flux: /dev/std* is almost always wrong |
| 01:03.24 | SimonRaven | miki: what's your real question? |
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| 01:03.51 | opnsrc | should I just remove all that stuff and re - install it? |
| 01:03.57 | flux | ok... :/ |
| 01:03.59 | Dwonis | flux: It causes problems where stdio is a terminal that isn't owned by the current user (like if you're using sudo to some non-root user) |
| 01:04.00 | unix_infidel_ | anyone know how i can change icons in evolution? |
| 01:04.06 | Dwonis | flux: use >&0 or somesuch |
| 01:04.18 | unix_infidel_ | or is changing icons in evolution gtk specific? |
| 01:04.22 | unix_infidel_ | erm gtk2 |
| 01:04.27 | Dwonis | flux: that uses dup2() instead of open() |
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| 01:04.36 | flux | i'm looking at it :) |
| 01:04.39 | flux | thx :) |
| 01:04.54 | SimonRaven | opnsrc: /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory # this is a clue. you're missing it |
| 01:05.35 | opnsrc | so I just just make a directory called /bin/bash ? |
| 01:06.03 | opnsrc | the file /bin/bash exists |
| 01:06.09 | SimonRaven | no |
| 01:06.20 | Stevie | if you're scooby doo you use /rin/rash |
| 01:06.32 | SimonRaven | of course not. the library. you're missing it, or your ld.so is fubar |
| 01:06.45 | opnsrc | So how do I install it? |
| 01:07.05 | SimonRaven | opnsrc: run updatedb, then do locate libdl.so.2 |
| 01:07.16 | Dwonis | Stevie: we need a shell script that goes over your entire filesystem tree and makes scooby doo symlinks for everything |
| 01:07.23 | Stevie | hahaha |
| 01:07.32 | Stevie | how about 'sdfs' |
| 01:07.33 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 01:07.37 | unix_infidel_ | are the icons in the evolution mail client modular and interchangable or are they contiguous with the gtk2 themes and require full changes? |
| 01:07.45 | SimonRaven | call it scoobylinux |
| 01:07.47 | SonnyBurnett | SimonRaven, the installer told me that I have no enough memory... but I'm continuing the install lets seee what happens. Otherwise, what another version of debian can I install? |
| 01:07.48 | Stevie | It creates a mirror of an already-mounted fs, scooby-doo-izing everything. |
| 01:08.14 | Stevie | If two things scoobize to the same thing, trying one randomly chooses one or the other |
| 01:08.16 | opnsrc | you mean making it faster? |
| 01:08.39 | SimonRaven | opnsrc: then, tell us if it is there. if not, go look for libdl.so on packages.debian.org and pick your debian distro from the file search (second box on that page) |
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| 01:09.22 | Dwonis | Stevie: As long as it's GPL-compatible, great! ;) |
| 01:09.22 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: woody |
| 01:09.23 | Solet | why doesnt poweroff make the machine shut off? |
| 01:09.23 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: you can then maybe try upgrading to sarge |
| 01:09.23 | Solet | it does on my other machine... but not on the new one |
| 01:09.23 | opnsrc | init 0 would |
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| 01:09.24 | Dwonis | Solet: You have to have power management kernel modules loaded. either apm or acpi |
| 01:09.36 | SimonRaven | acpi, apm not working... |
| 01:09.49 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: I think it depends on your board |
| 01:09.57 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: Some boards don't support acpi |
| 01:10.00 | SonnyBurnett | SimonRaven, What I want to do is mount a Web Server and WEbmail on this 486... Is Sarge the right one? |
| 01:10.19 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: yeh |
| 01:10.37 | Solet | oh... on a p4 i'm running the 686 kernel... what should i run on an amd64 if i'm running it in 32bit mode? |
| 01:10.37 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: you don't run a web server on 16 MB RAM |
| 01:10.38 | Dwonis | Solet: Also, if the machine is _really_ old, it might not have soft power control :) |
| 01:10.42 | Solet | the same? 686? |
| 01:10.50 | Dwonis | Solet: ok, _that_ probably has soft power control :) |
| 01:10.50 | SimonRaven | you run a router |
| 01:11.11 | Solet | yeah... |
| 01:11.23 | Dwonis | Solet: that sounds fine... or perhaps k7, I dunno |
| 01:11.38 | Solet | my 2 main questions... how do i change my kernel from the 386 to a faster one... and how do i turn on soft power? |
| 01:12.18 | Dwonis | !tell Solet about acpi |
| 01:12.24 | Solet | for the soft power is it just modprobe acpi? |
| 01:12.35 | flux | echo firefox > /dev/pts/3 ; it writes "firefox" ; (i'm connected to a distant bash with ssh -X ) ; |
| 01:12.47 | tim_flatus | Stevie, I assume that would all be scripted using ruby-ruby-roo? |
| 01:12.50 | Dwonis | Solet: no, I think it's like ospm_power or something |
| 01:13.07 | pmiller9 | In Firefox, how do I add the URL "X" icon to clear the URL string? I've had it before, but I don't know how it got there |
| 01:13.36 | Solet | all i know is that i got the p4 machine to do it... but that was a long time ago |
| 01:13.40 | flux | but if i walk to the distant computer and type "ENTER" on the keyboard, firefox won't start, because the echo don't do as if i typed it on the keyboard |
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| 01:13.54 | Solet | and apm sounds familiar |
| 01:14.14 | SimonRaven | pmiller9: diggler |
| 01:14.44 | SimonRaven | flux: of course not. it's as if you'd done 'echo "nyah nyah" | wall' or something |
| 01:15.04 | flux | yes, i know :( |
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| 01:15.49 | flux | but is it possible to do that, or i'm looking for something that's impossible... ? |
| 01:16.13 | SimonRaven | do what? |
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| 01:16.57 | godmachine81 | SimonRaven: how should i use this apt-listbugs?? |
| 01:17.16 | unix_infidel_ | anyone know how i can have multiple accounts on evolution but have them all use different inbox folders |
| 01:17.23 | SimonRaven | it runs when you apt-get install something |
| 01:17.26 | godmachine81 | when i try to run it it just leaves me at a cursor in the terminal.. it doesnt say its doing anything.. |
| 01:17.44 | godmachine81 | i think i may have the syntax wrong |
| 01:17.46 | flux | i'm on computer A ; i would like to "emulate" keyboard typing on B, from A |
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| 01:18.33 | SimonRaven | just ssh or something. then you really are 'typing' on B |
| 01:18.34 | flux | without "screen", on course |
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| 01:18.43 | flux | SimonRaven: yes |
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| 01:18.59 | Dwonis | flux: open /dev/kmem and twiddle the bits you need to :) |
| 01:19.48 | Dwonis | flux: what you're trying to do sounds downright evil |
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| 01:20.32 | calmar | hi all, my cache is quite 'huge' in /var/cache/apt/archives I may can just do a rm * ? |
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| 01:20.43 | godmachine81 | SimonRaven: how can i view the bugs of the packages that i currently have installed via apt-listbugs? |
| 01:20.44 | Dwonis | calmar: apt-get clean |
| 01:20.49 | Dwonis | calmar: or apt-get autoclean |
| 01:20.57 | SimonRaven | no kidding.... |
| 01:21.04 | SimonRaven | calmar: no. apt-get clean |
| 01:21.09 | SimonRaven | or auto* |
| 01:21.11 | calmar | ok, thanks all! |
| 01:21.28 | flux | Dwonis: what does "twiddle" means ? |
| 01:21.31 | tim_flatus | godmachine81, have you tried reading the manpage? |
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| 01:21.41 | godmachine81 | tim_flatus: of course |
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| 01:21.55 | flux | Dwonis: what does "twiddle" means ? |
| 01:22.03 | Dwonis | flux: It's similar to "frob" |
| 01:22.25 | Dwonis | !dict twiddle |
| 01:22.28 | dpkg | Dictionary 'twiddle' (3 of 10): manipulate, as in a nervous or unconscious manner; "He twiddled her thumbs while waiting for the interview" ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "twiddle" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" twiddle ;; 1. <character> The tilde character.. |
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| 01:22.38 | SimonRaven | @dict frob |
| 01:22.41 | tim_flatus | godmachine81, just checking ;) You should get the --help message if you type in nothing but apt-listbugs |
| 01:22.42 | flux | thx :) |
| 01:22.50 | Dwonis | !dict twiddle |
| 01:22.52 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'frob' (1 of 2): /frob/ 1. n. [MIT; very common] The {TMRC} definition was "FROB = a protruding arm or trunnion"; by metaphoric extension, a `frob' is any random small thing; an object that you can comfortably hold in one hand; something you can frob (sense 2). See {frobnitz}. 2. vt. Abbreviated form of {frobnicate}. 3. [from the {MUD} world] A ... |
| 01:22.53 | dpkg | Dictionary 'twiddle' (2 of 10): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "twiddle" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" twiddle ;; Twiddle \Twid"dle\, v. t. [Probably of imitative origin. Cf. Tweedle.] To touch lightly, or play with; to tweedle; to twirl; as, to twiddle one's thumbs; to twiddle a watch key. [Written also twidle.] --Thackeray.. |
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| 01:23.03 | godmachine81 | tim_flatus: i get that but i dont understand the syntax for it.. |
| 01:23.18 | godmachine81 | i dont really know exactly what to do with it |
| 01:23.27 | godmachine81 | i just want to see the bugs that exists in the packages i have installed |
| 01:23.37 | Dwonis | godmachine81: in _all_ of them? |
| 01:24.15 | tim_flatus | godmachine81, afaict you'd have to go through each one by name, unless you script it somehow. |
| 01:24.59 | godmachine81 | tim_flatus: that sux.. i would just like to see the unresolved bugs that i have installed |
| 01:25.03 | godmachine81 | if that makes sense |
| 01:26.30 | tim_flatus | godmachine81, I only ever use it when installing. I would script it, but I have not really ever looked into it that deeply. |
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| 01:27.11 | godmachine81 | tim_flatus: how do you normally use it then when you install? like apt-listbugs -s critical apt ? |
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| 01:27.56 | tim_flatus | godmachine81, no, it just does it automatically. |
| 01:28.04 | godmachine81 | lets say dist-upgrade is wanting to upgrade 5 packages.. how can i view those bugs before i upgrade? |
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| 01:28.24 | godmachine81 | once i have apt-listbugs installed all i have to do is apt-get dist-upgrade and it will show the bugs or what? |
| 01:28.49 | tim_flatus | godmachine81, Does it not do that already? |
| 01:28.55 | spoopin | godmachine81: yes. |
| 01:29.03 | SimonRaven | it'll show you. read the man page already |
| 01:29.13 | godmachine81 | tim_flatus: i have no idea, i dont have any upgrades available at the time and i just installed apt-listbugs |
| 01:29.30 | godmachine81 | SimonRaven: the man page says nothing about what im asking |
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| 01:29.41 | godmachine81 | SimonRaven: take a xanax already |
| 01:29.48 | tim_flatus | godmachine81, That's because it's obvious. |
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| 01:30.18 | godmachine81 | how is it obvious if you havent installed anything since you installed apt-listbugs |
| 01:30.32 | SimonRaven | godmachine81: a) don't tell me what to do b) go stuff yourself with it. xanax are fucking dangerous |
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| 01:30.48 | godmachine81 | there are several alternatives tho SimonRaven |
| 01:30.52 | tim_flatus | !smite godmachine81 |
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| 01:31.21 | godmachine81 | valium, clonzepam, ativan are a few others |
| 01:31.32 | godmachine81 | dont take that seriously either |
| 01:31.34 | warreng | i want a subversion 1.3 sarge-backport up on backports.org :( |
| 01:31.35 | godmachine81 | im just goin on |
| 01:31.55 | SimonRaven | apt-listbugs is a tool which retrieves bug reports from the Debian Bug Tracking System and lists them. Especially, it is intended to be invoked before each upgrade by apt in order to check whether the upgrade/installation is safe. |
| 01:32.03 | SonnyBurnett | Excuse, where can I get the installer diskettes of woody? |
| 01:32.11 | SimonRaven | ffs, read. you didn't read it. |
| 01:32.18 | SimonRaven | godmachine81: *plonk* |
| 01:32.27 | godmachine81 | yes i did read it |
| 01:32.31 | SimonRaven | not worth my time |
| 01:32.46 | godmachine81 | does it show the user the apt-listbugs info when you do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:32.59 | godmachine81 | or do you have to do the two seperately? |
| 01:33.04 | godmachine81 | thats what isnt too clear to me |
| 01:33.13 | godmachine81 | if it is in the man page then i must have over looked it |
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| 01:34.08 | godmachine81 | i see that it is invoked by apt. but if i want to view the reports does it show them |
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| 01:35.35 | Solet | hey can some one walk me through upgrading to kernel 2.6.8-2-686, its been over a year since i've jacked with kernel upgrades |
| 01:36.07 | tim_flatus | Solet, you using lilo? |
| 01:36.13 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: probably at archive.debian.{net or org i don't remember} |
| 01:36.36 | Solet | grub |
| 01:37.02 | tim_flatus | Solet, it should be straightforward. Just install it. |
| 01:37.17 | Solet | just apt-get install? |
| 01:37.19 | Solet | then reboot/ |
| 01:37.20 | godmachine81 | just do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-8-686 |
| 01:37.21 | Solet | ? |
| 01:37.38 | tim_flatus | Solet, yes |
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| 01:37.58 | Solet | whoah... whats the difference between the 2.6.8-2 and the 2.6.15-8 |
| 01:38.07 | godmachine81 | a whole lot of nothing |
| 01:38.28 | godmachine81 | there are some differences but none of them have affected me any.. |
| 01:38.31 | SonnyBurnett | SimonRaven, no theres no woody |
| 01:38.35 | freeone3000 | It supports something. ANd it's marginally faster. |
| 01:38.40 | Solet | no massive quantities of obscure modules missing.... |
| 01:38.45 | tim_flatus | Solet, are you on sarge? |
| 01:38.48 | Solet | yes |
| 01:39.06 | godmachine81 | Solet: does it work the way it is? |
| 01:39.12 | tim_flatus | Solet then 2.6.8 is the most recent that is packaged. |
| 01:39.13 | godmachine81 | or are you having problems? |
| 01:39.27 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: there is, i just don't remmeber where right now. sorry |
| 01:39.50 | SimonRaven | SonnyBurnett: it might still be on the main mirrors. look for 'oldstable' |
| 01:39.54 | Solet | its working now... but its still on the installer kernel... 2.4... and i havent even introduced it to half the crap on the machine yet... |
| 01:40.13 | Solet | havent jacked with sound... or tv tuner |
| 01:40.42 | tim_flatus | Solet, 2.4 kernels are really old now. 2.6 is generally better |
| 01:41.08 | tim_flatus | Solet, 2.6 has alsa as built-in too :) |
| 01:41.20 | Solet | alsa is the sound thing right? |
| 01:41.28 | tim_flatus | Solet, yup |
| 01:41.34 | Solet | (been a really long time since i've jacked with setting up a box) |
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| 01:42.46 | Solet | isnt there like a headers file or something like that i'm supposed to get whenever i get new kernels? |
| 01:43.36 | tim_flatus | Solet, trust apt-get to sort the dependencies. |
| 01:43.42 | Solet | ok |
| 01:44.19 | Solet | how was that package again... said it couldnt find it |
| 01:44.41 | Solet | linux-image-2.6.15-8-686? |
| 01:44.59 | godmachine81 | Solet: it doesnt have it in Sarge |
| 01:45.15 | Solet | aha |
| 01:45.21 | Solet | whats the highest in sarge? |
| 01:45.23 | godmachine81 | are you upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 01:45.27 | Solet | yes |
| 01:45.39 | tim_flatus | Solet 2.6.8 AFAIR |
| 01:45.41 | godmachine81 | apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 01:45.53 | tim_flatus | or that, yes |
| 01:46.11 | Solet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.12 | `ns` | tim_flatus, alsa is built into 2.6 ?? interesting, since my box running 2.6.8 plays all it's sound through oss by default ... alsa was not the default |
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| 01:46.59 | Solet | ns... my other box does sounds with alsa on 2.6.8 |
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| 01:47.53 | `ns` | I was using alsa before I did a fresh install, but I had to add it in. I have been too lazy to add it to this install ... |
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| 01:48.02 | tim_flatus | `ns`, ah, maybe check the config. I may be talking out of my arse. It is possible to have alsa as a built-in that's for sure. I thought it was but it's a long time since I was using 2.6.8 |
| 01:49.20 | Solet | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8-2-686 said not found too |
| 01:49.31 | godmachine81 | apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 01:49.51 | Solet | ditto |
| 01:50.07 | Solet | no dice |
| 01:50.32 | godmachine81 | oh yea |
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| 01:50.55 | godmachine81 | what was it that the kernel use to be called before linux-image |
| 01:51.01 | `ns` | with a custom kernel anything can be included :) my hard drive had some problems about a month back, so I have been re-learning what it is like to start from scratch |
| 01:51.08 | tim_flatus | kernel-image maybe? |
| 01:51.17 | godmachine81 | may be |
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| 01:51.20 | SimonRaven | in sarge it's kernel- |
| 01:51.30 | godmachine81 | Solet: try kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:51.33 | Solet | well remembered |
| 01:51.35 | Solet | gj |
| 01:51.37 | Solet | it's goin |
| 01:51.38 | Azar | it used to: for etch 2.6.15 is called linux-image |
| 01:51.51 | jetscreamer | try apt-cache search |
| 01:51.56 | jetscreamer | not apt-get install |
| 01:52.08 | jetscreamer | then, pick one |
| 01:52.20 | SimonRaven | for etch and sid it's linux- |
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| 01:52.42 | Azar | when I upgraded to 2.6.15 I did apt-cache search kernel-image and saw linux-image instead |
| 01:52.49 | Solet | i got the one i want it's dling and installing as we type |
| 01:52.59 | SimonRaven | since they support k*bsd and hurd, vaguely |
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| 01:53.37 | Azar | going to copy the error I get when I shut down irssi |
| 01:53.49 | SimonRaven | Solet: man apt for a refresher on the basic apt commands |
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| 01:54.31 | SimonRaven | AzianFlu: well, irssi behaves a bit better now that it's been fixed for the new perl, for me |
| 01:54.40 | SimonRaven | AzianFlu: woops, sorry |
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| 01:55.03 | bkudria | does anyone know of a program that can take multiple ical files as input, and spit out a single ical file? |
| 01:55.13 | Solet | is apm default on in 2.6 |
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| 01:55.34 | SimonRaven | *shrug*. |
| 01:56.30 | Azar | at /quit I get: ***glibc detected*** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0811e0b8*** Aborted (core dumped) |
| 01:57.08 | SimonRaven | Azar: well, irssi behaves a bit better now that it's been fixed for the new perl, for me. try upgrading it - oh you on etch or sid? |
| 01:57.10 | Azar | not that it affects anything... |
| 01:57.21 | SimonRaven | it does. it's been fixed |
| 01:57.23 | Azar | SimonRaven: just upgraded to etch |
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| 01:57.37 | Azar | SimonRaven: so remove irssi and reinstall? |
| 01:57.44 | SimonRaven | oh, then it should be in a few days at most |
| 01:57.52 | Zed | alguém fala português aqui? |
| 01:57.56 | Azar | !br |
| 01:57.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:58.05 | SimonRaven | no, that won't change anything |
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| 01:58.17 | Azar | SimonRaven: so to wait few weeks then? |
| 01:58.35 | Zed | ok |
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| 01:58.41 | SimonRaven | no, days. 10 day migration to testing, and it's at ... |
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| 01:58.51 | Azar | ah ok thank you :) |
| 01:58.55 | SimonRaven | well, without any rc bugs anyway ;) |
| 01:59.09 | beardy | bkudria: Sounds like something Applish? |
| 01:59.28 | fatalerror | SimonRaven: well, with less RC bugs than the version already in testing, actually |
| 01:59.50 | bkudria | beardy: iCal is an apple program, yes, but ical is a calendar format |
| 02:00.26 | SimonRaven | fatalerror: yeh :) |
| 02:00.39 | bkudria | beardy: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2445.txt |
| 02:00.42 | tempy | hi all, debian.newb (gentoo user), is there an *easy* way to redo a kernel using etch_unstable |
| 02:00.57 | beardy | bkudria: I suppose it has lots of headers and have to be sorted, and that cat:it them together is not working? ( ;) ) |
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| 02:01.15 | Azar | tempy: define "redo" |
| 02:01.19 | bkudria | beardy: i does, and i have not even tried... |
| 02:01.20 | Tchiak | Anyone know of any good tempature sensor monitors for 2.6.x linux? |
| 02:01.29 | SimonRaven | @tell tempy -about kp |
| 02:01.34 | bkudria | beardy: but i kinda need it to be rfc-compliant |
| 02:01.38 | Azar | Tchiak: I use gkrell |
| 02:01.48 | SimonRaven | shoot, i don't recall that thing that shows you the days to go for the migration ... |
| 02:02.32 | tempy | Azar: i did the initial install on my desktop box (fast) and have now put hdd back into webserver box (slow) with different Lan Card |
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| 02:03.43 | Azar | tempy: I am no so expert into tweaking this kind of stuff but if I were you I would reinstall so to have fewer work to do |
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| 02:03.51 | bkudria | beardy: oh, oops: i just discovered my app can handle multiple ical files :) thanks! |
| 02:04.13 | tempy | Azar: tempting but the webserver/mailserver/chatserver onboard would not be happy |
| 02:04.20 | Azar | Tchiak: to get gkrell, apt-get install it and here are the specs: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html |
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| 02:05.11 | beardy | An rfc with a microsoft contact person makes me suspicious.. |
| 02:05.21 | Stevie | lol |
| 02:05.33 | Stevie | how about a linux kernel patch? |
| 02:05.40 | abrotman | beardy: lots do |
| 02:05.49 | pilgrim | Hi all. Has anyone got any idea of what I have to do in order to update apache2 (chroored in /chroot/apache2/) if there is a security update released? |
| 02:06.05 | tempy | RFC: request for cpoyright perhaps? |
| 02:06.11 | tempy | copyright* |
| 02:06.36 | abrotman | !rfc |
| 02:06.37 | dpkg | it has been said that rfc is Request For Comments. They are available at http://www.rfc-editor.org/, http://www.rfc.net, or ask about rfc 1918 for private address ranges |
| 02:06.43 | Azar | Tchiak: you need plugin sensors for what you need with gkrellm: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gklmsensors |
| 02:06.53 | SimonRaven | abrotman: hello |
| 02:07.06 | Azar | :) damn copyrights |
| 02:07.14 | SimonRaven | how about checking if it's in debian first |
| 02:07.26 | beardy | abrotman: Yeah. |
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| 02:07.39 | abrotman | SimonRaven: hi |
| 02:07.40 | tempy | abrotman: i know, was just making offhand remark that perhaps M$ want to copyright another internet function ... poor joke |
| 02:07.52 | pilgrim | Has anyone used makejail or jailtool? |
| 02:08.04 | SimonRaven | no |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | tempy: SDNWOTW |
| 02:08.06 | beardy | pilgrim: Ask your question instead. |
| 02:08.18 | pilgrim | beardy, Has anyone got any idea of what I have to do in order to update apache2 (chroored in /chroot/apache2/) if there is a security update released? |
| 02:08.21 | Azar | abrotman, you were missed last night |
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| 02:08.33 | abrotman | Azar: why is that? |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | i was playing Gauntlet :) |
| 02:08.47 | Azar | abrotman: I guess it was pretty much a "ladies" night |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | Azar: did you finally get a date? |
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| 02:09.14 | Azar | abrotman: no, I got timid and left |
| 02:10.00 | zasz | damn frightening women |
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| 02:10.34 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 02:10.50 | Azar | bah I can try again |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | probably has woman-parts |
| 02:10.57 | Azar | :) |
| 02:11.13 | SimonRaven | only if you piss them off ;). then they'll beat you up or something ;) |
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| 02:12.42 | Tchiak | I learned a very important lesson today |
| 02:12.54 | Tchiak | never ever ever /exec -o a program with an infinite loop :P |
| 02:13.16 | Azar | hmm curious, I run etch with a 2.6.15 kernel and I only found lm-sensors-2.4.27-2k7 from search hmmm |
| 02:13.17 | Tchiak | by the time i killed it and xchat all of my physical ram was consumed and 3gb of my 3.5gb swap space was consumed |
| 02:13.24 | SimonRaven | oh, like yes for instance? =) |
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| 02:13.43 | SimonRaven | though yes wouldn't soak up ram like that |
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| 02:14.25 | Tchiak | no i made a program real quick to illistrate an infinite loop problem for a friend.. intmain(void){for(;;)printf("meow");return0;} |
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| 02:15.02 | Tchiak | so i thought why not try doing an /exec -o with that program |
| 02:15.03 | Tchiak | :P |
| 02:15.09 | Tchiak | learning is fun |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | stupidity is not |
| 02:15.40 | Azar | bah lm-sensors release March 2002 |
| 02:15.44 | SimonRaven | ah, ok |
| 02:15.47 | Tchiak | stupidity is fun if combined with ignorance |
| 02:15.51 | Azar | there was no 2.6 kernel back then |
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| 02:17.50 | abrotman | you sure? |
| 02:18.08 | aw | What is the philosophy behind the base debian install? Is it just based on popularity? |
| 02:18.23 | abrotman | oh .. not even close |
| 02:18.25 | SonnyBurnett | Hey please Folks; if somebody knows where can Iget the cd images and floppies of Woody, please give me a hand... I'm wasting time looking for them.... |
| 02:18.51 | aw | I was just wondering why things like lpr and ssh are installed by default.. |
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| 02:19.30 | aw | I think its good that ssh is installed, for servers and such, but on the other i have no need for lpr on my servers |
| 02:19.54 | aw | sorry for my bad english. it is 4.19 here. :) |
| 02:20.01 | Klohunt | what is X's package name? Im trying to apt-get install it |
| 02:20.10 | aw | Klohunt: x-window-system |
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| 02:20.14 | Klohunt | sorry if that sounds stupid, this is my third day with debian :( |
| 02:20.15 | aw | Klohunt: or x-window-system-core |
| 02:20.18 | Klohunt | aw: thanks alot |
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| 02:21.04 | CraZyLeGs | the command dig isn't present in my system how can I install it |
| 02:21.08 | CraZyLeGs | ? |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | !tell CraZyLeGs about search |
| 02:21.17 | aw | CraZyLeGs: apt-get install dig ? |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | !find bin/dig sarge |
| 02:21.30 | CraZyLeGs | aw: I tried that |
| 02:21.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (6): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/var/list/.bin/digest) in mail/smartlist ;; (/usr/share/tomcat4/bin/digest.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat4 ;; (/usr/bin/{digitemp_DS2490|digitemp_DS9097|digitemp_DS9097U}) in electronics/digitemp. |
| 02:21.39 | CraZyLeGs | I use etch |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | it doesn't matter |
| 02:22.31 | Justin | dpkg: what are you |
| 02:22.31 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:23.23 | godmachine81 | !blootbot |
| 02:23.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
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| 02:23.58 | mbishop | eww perl heh |
| 02:24.13 | mbishop | he has lisp output for !find though |
| 02:24.29 | pilgrim | How do I get all the dependencies of apache2 (including the dependencies of it's dependencies recurisvely). Thanks. |
| 02:24.41 | abrotman | apt-get install apache2 |
| 02:24.50 | pilgrim | abrotman, funny. |
| 02:25.03 | tim_flatus | mbishop, that's a speech impediment to you. ;) |
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| 02:25.12 | pilgrim | abrotman, I have it installed already. Now I want to find out the dependencies. |
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| 02:25.30 | jperalta | hi to all people :D |
| 02:25.34 | pilgrim | hi |
| 02:25.41 | freeone3000 | What's the best way to cross-compile to windows? |
| 02:25.47 | abrotman | pilgrim: apt-cache show |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | freeone3000: wrong channel |
| 02:25.54 | jperalta | i have a problem :( ... maybe some can help me :D |
| 02:26.06 | jperalta | mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:26.08 | pilgrim | abrotman, that's as good as it gets, eh? |
| 02:26.23 | lavi | excuse me. when i comple some of sw, it check that there isnot gtk+ in os. so i search gtk, however, i found a lot of sw with gtk. which gtk+-2.0 should i install? |
| 02:26.32 | jperalta | not only mplayer ... glxinfo too .. and glxgears .. etc. |
| 02:26.42 | abrotman | pilgrim: i think there's some option that will expand it .. |
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| 02:26.57 | jperalta | i have the library en /usr/lib .... i dont' know ... :( |
| 02:27.02 | freeone3000 | abrotman: Well, everywhere else, gcc is my cross compiler. Here it'snot. |
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| 02:27.13 | pilgrim | abrotman, ok. thanks. I'll just try and do some shell script and exract them from there. |
| 02:27.18 | abrotman | freeone3000: i'm not sure how it's related to debian |
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| 02:27.39 | freeone3000 | abrotman: Because it seems to have a diffrent way of doing things. |
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| 02:28.00 | abrotman | but you're compiling for windows |
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| 02:28.14 | freeone3000 | Using debian. |
| 02:28.22 | freeone3000 | And the normal linux way isn't working. |
| 02:28.29 | freeone3000 | So therefore, I ask on #debian. |
| 02:28.33 | opnsrc | ok I did an updatedb and then a locate libdl.so.2 |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | what's the normal way? |
| 02:29.03 | freeone3000 | Using gcc. |
| 02:29.03 | diazepam | hey all - is any one aware of fontserver issues with xorg under Netinst. I did an installation last week & everything is fine, then again this morning on me machine specs and X fails |
| 02:29.06 | opnsrc | it said /lib/libdl.so.2 |
| 02:29.07 | opnsrc | /lib/tls/libdl.so.2 |
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| 02:29.26 | opnsrc | but when doing a apt-get upgrade I get the same error |
| 02:29.37 | abrotman | freeone3000: so use gcc in debian |
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| 02:29.46 | opnsrc | Returned error code (1) |
| 02:29.47 | freeone3000 | abrotman: But my gcc, apparently, isn't a cross compiler. |
| 02:29.50 | itsjustanick | debian sarge 3.1 is not including kernel 2.6.16 ? |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | !cross compile |
| 02:29.56 | abrotman | !crosscompile |
| 02:29.59 | itsjustanick | i mean now including |
| 02:30.00 | trollboy | anyone have a good howto url on setting up wireless on debian? |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | freeone3000: i think there's a package for it |
| 02:30.08 | trollboy | most everything I'm seeing is pcmcia stuff |
| 02:30.08 | cheal | jperalta: what does $ ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1; output? |
| 02:30.22 | abrotman | freeone3000: apt-cache search cross compile |
| 02:30.27 | lavi | exsuse me. in debian, which package is GTK+? |
| 02:30.30 | itsjustanick | iwconfig i think |
| 02:30.33 | cheal | itsjustanick: no |
| 02:30.33 | jperalta | cheal : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 23 22:20 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 02:30.36 | abrotman | lavi: apt-cache search libgtk |
| 02:30.46 | lavi | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:30.51 | trollboy | and I've got a pci nick |
| 02:30.56 | cheal | jperalta: what does $ ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2; output? |
| 02:31.09 | abrotman | NIC |
| 02:31.20 | itsjustanick | cheal ? really ? this is where i read http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9348649979.html |
| 02:31.36 | jperalta | cheal : -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 773897 Apr 23 18:04 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 02:32.10 | lavi | abrotman: i did that, the libgtk2.0-0 has installed. is this package? |
| 02:32.13 | jperalta | cheal : its a file, i don't know wath happend, because the file exist. |
| 02:32.19 | pmiller9 | In Firefox, how do I add the URL "X" icon to clear the URL string? I've had it before, but I don't know how it got there |
| 02:32.39 | freeone3000 | SH processors, mingw, and gcc-sh-linux |
| 02:32.42 | cheal | itsjustanick: so what...the article is wrong? |
| 02:32.53 | aw | Tar as a --verify flag, but as far as I can understand, this can only be used when creating the archive.. Is there anyway to test the archive after it has been created (i could offcourse unpack it, but maybe there's something faster/easier) ? |
| 02:33.18 | itsjustanick | cheal: im just asking maybe you are wrong |
| 02:33.22 | itsjustanick | so what |
| 02:33.24 | itsjustanick | loser |
| 02:33.24 | opnsrc | When I type apt-get upgrade I get http://channels.debian.net/paste/2426 |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | lavi: what are you really trying to do? |
| 02:33.43 | opnsrc | I tried doing a debupdate and after a while it didn't output anything |
| 02:33.47 | stew | itsjustanick: there are at least 3 or 4 factual errors in that article. and no sarge ships with 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 |
| 02:34.16 | lavi | abrotman: i want to compile the package at-poke, but i met some problme. |
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| 02:34.36 | opnsrc | So then I did locate libdl.so.2 and it says /lib/libdl.so.2 |
| 02:34.36 | opnsrc | /lib/tls/libdl.so.2 |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | lavi: so you want the -dev package for libgtk |
| 02:35.05 | lavi | abrotman: thank, i will try |
| 02:35.42 | shogunx | why so many kernel images at the same time opnsrc? |
| 02:36.02 | opnsrc | I figure why not |
| 02:36.08 | opnsrc | But I just want to upgrade them to the most recent |
| 02:36.10 | cheal | jperalta: I don't know, try Google |
| 02:36.15 | opnsrc | The reason is if one fails for some reason I have others |
| 02:36.27 | opnsrc | (because I've had incidents where that happens, say during an upgrade) |
| 02:36.32 | CraZyLeGs | when I do apt-file update it asks for the cdrom but I don't have it |
| 02:36.48 | opnsrc | So how do I fix it? |
| 02:36.57 | jperalta | cheal : thanks i try with goole, too a dpkg-reconfigure -a and a updatedb ... thank you |
| 02:37.02 | stew | CraZyLeGs: remove the cdrom line from your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:37.24 | CraZyLeGs | can't it bypass it automatically ? |
| 02:37.25 | shogunx | you have one for generic 386, one for 586tsc, and one for 686? which architecture are you on? |
| 02:37.46 | CraZyLeGs | can I switch to root without closing the session ? |
| 02:37.50 | opnsrc | Or can I just uninstall them all and re - install them |
| 02:37.55 | stew | CraZyLeGs: su |
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| 02:38.01 | CraZyLeGs | overall switch not just terminal |
| 02:38.13 | stew | CraZyLeGs: no, then |
| 02:38.51 | CraZyLeGs | I did su, but when I want to edit a file using kEdit it says I can't write to the file so I assumed I don't have the write to write to it ( since it's in /etc ) |
| 02:39.14 | CraZyLeGs | so I was looking for a way to change to root quickly so I don't have to close all my running programs |
| 02:39.25 | opnsrc | I'll just try to reinstall them then |
| 02:39.33 | aw | CraZyLeGs: you could give your user access to write to the file, and then change it back when done |
| 02:39.33 | freeone3000 | Try running KEdit as root. |
| 02:39.42 | shogunx | opnsrc i would start by apt-get remove all but the one for your architecture. and then ldconfig, followed by apt-get -f install |
| 02:39.44 | stew | CraZyLeGs: so, then run kedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:39.49 | stew | CraZyLeGs: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 02:39.58 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 02:40.08 | CraZyLeGs | sudo or somethin ? |
| 02:40.22 | opnsrc | sudoers ? |
| 02:40.29 | CraZyLeGs | sorry I'm new the the whole *nix world |
| 02:40.32 | jnc | sounds like an insult. sudoer! |
| 02:40.41 | CraZyLeGs | it's my 3rd day |
| 02:40.42 | beardy | !grounding |
| 02:40.42 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 02:40.56 | beardy | !unix lessons |
| 02:40.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 02:41.03 | jnc | !tell beardy about abusing the bot |
| 02:41.15 | lavi | abrotman: i have check it. however, libgtk2.0-dev has installed also. |
| 02:41.15 | jnc | CraZyLeGs: what ya want out of your computer |
| 02:41.16 | beardy | jnc: WHo the fuck are you? |
| 02:41.24 | jnc | yeah, pardon me |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | lavi: what's the error you're getting ? |
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| 02:41.59 | lavi | abrotman: wait a sec. |
| 02:42.02 | CraZyLeGs | jnc: I'm just trying to learn how to install DNS and stuff |
| 02:42.06 | jnc | ah okay |
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| 02:42.29 | jnc | CraZyLeGs: DNS in and of itself is kind of a rough topic to get at first, IMO |
| 02:42.52 | jnc | CraZyLeGs: happen to have the ORA book on BIND handy? |
| 02:42.59 | CraZyLeGs | I'm following a howto and it states the 'dig' utility |
| 02:43.07 | jnc | ahh. |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | so install dnsutils |
| 02:43.21 | jnc | debian includes 'dig' utility in a package named .. you got it. dnsutils |
| 02:43.35 | CraZyLeGs | I installed BIND and have a local dns cache now |
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| 02:43.50 | beardy | CraZyLeGs: http://www.debian-administration.org/ has some good articles, "Quick Search" to the right. |
| 02:44.08 | CraZyLeGs | jnc: when I do apt-get install dnsutils -s it doesn't find it |
| 02:44.17 | CraZyLeGs | beardy: I have it bookmarked thanks :) |
| 02:44.19 | lavi | abrotman: please check on site http://pastebin.com/678139. |
| 02:44.30 | aw | Is security handled for all kernels supplied by debian. for example kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp? |
| 02:44.53 | abrotman | lavi: which line is actualyl the error? |
| 02:45.02 | jnc | CraZyLeGs: i tend to use "apt-cache search [what i'm looking for]" |
| 02:45.03 | lavi | abrotman: 115 |
| 02:45.16 | cheal | aw: there's no security support for that kernel anymore, since it's outdated |
| 02:45.28 | abrotman | lavi: what version of debian ? |
| 02:45.47 | lavi | abrotman: ubuntu 5.1 |
| 02:45.51 | CraZyLeGs | hmm now it finds dnsutils |
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| 02:45.57 | swamprat | hi, i am trying to do a new kernel as per debian.org/../ch-kernel.en.html and are somewhat confused ... what exaxtly does the kernel-source-version in apt-get install kernel-source-version refer to? |
| 02:46.04 | aw | cheal: Outdated? It supplied by the official sarge disk! |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | lavi: ask #ubuntu please about libgail-gnome-dev |
| 02:46.12 | CraZyLeGs | yaya is working now |
| 02:46.19 | CraZyLeGs | thanks guys |
| 02:46.30 | lavi | abrotman: thank, let me try. |
| 02:46.33 | beardy | lavi: FYI Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 02:46.35 | Azar | swamprat: you are trying to "do" a new kernel? how |
| 02:46.45 | cheal | aw: yes, but it's still outdated. the new version is only in stable-security-updates until 3.1r3 will release |
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| 02:46.57 | swamprat | following the instructions as per that link above, section 7.1.1 |
| 02:47.04 | Azar | lavi: there are different packages you will not be able to obrain debianized packages for ubuntu |
| 02:47.06 | lavi | beardy: oops, someone tell me it is. |
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| 02:47.09 | jperalta | cheal : I solve the problem |
| 02:47.18 | cheal | jperalta: cool, what was it? |
| 02:47.20 | beardy | lavi: "Someone" is wrong. |
| 02:47.21 | swamprat | Debian standard method so it says |
| 02:47.23 | Azar | lavi: many people are either ignorant or misleading |
| 02:47.31 | lavi | :) |
| 02:47.35 | jperalta | cheal : reinstall the package libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 02:47.39 | zasz | cheal: aren't all kernels supplied by the official stable release kept up to date security wise |
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| 02:47.43 | jperalta | cheal : (Y) |
| 02:47.53 | beardy | swamprat: kernel-source-2.?.? |
| 02:47.55 | aw | cheal: Whats the new version called? |
| 02:48.01 | beardy | swamprat: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:48.02 | zasz | ie. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will patch your kernel if you have an official kernel for that release |
| 02:48.23 | swamprat | beardy: yes, but i did 'apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.16.9 .. no go |
| 02:48.33 | aw | zasz: okay, that was my question. |
| 02:48.43 | swamprat | should kernel-source be 'linux-2.6.16.9.tar.bz2'? |
| 02:48.47 | zasz | aw: I'm not 100% sure that I'm right |
| 02:48.47 | cheal | jperalta: hum, OK...I didn't know about that specific problem, but the NVIDIA drivers were removed from testing recently due to their broken handling of diversions |
| 02:48.49 | zasz | I should be |
| 02:48.56 | CraZyLeGs | I went for etch instead of sarge is that somehow considered bad ? |
| 02:49.02 | aw | zasz: noted. |
| 02:49.04 | beardy | swamprat: Don't guess at packagenames. 'apt-cache search kernel.source' |
| 02:49.10 | Azar | swamprat: in etch and sid is called linux-image, linux-source |
| 02:49.11 | beardy | kernel-source |
| 02:49.12 | zasz | aw: perhaps you can research that for me :p |
| 02:49.29 | aw | zasz: Yeah, that was why I asked here :) |
| 02:49.32 | swamprat | ah, i am using etch unstable |
| 02:49.40 | Azar | like beardy say: do a search see how they are called |
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| 02:49.48 | swamprat | Azar: thanks |
| 02:49.54 | swamprat | beardy: thanks |
| 02:50.02 | Azar | beardy rules |
| 02:50.04 | beardy | swamprat: You're welcome. |
| 02:50.09 | cheal | zasz: yes, but the kernel in the last sarge update isn't up-to-date |
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| 02:50.28 | cheal | aw: kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 02:50.39 | lostson | hmm cannot read debian control |
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| 02:50.56 | aw | cheal: okay. |
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| 02:51.18 | ranix_ | I have a couple questions about wireless support in Debian |
| 02:51.29 | Supaplex | !tell ranix_ -about ask |
| 02:51.31 | jnc | CraZyLeGs: etch hasn't been released yet |
| 02:51.48 | jnc | that being said, it sort of works if you happen to know debian's methods well |
| 02:52.04 | jnc | otherwise, stick to debian stable for server work |
| 02:52.06 | jperalta | cheal : The original problem is that, i have a ati radeon and i try of install the propietary drivers, i have sid for 64bits and after the installation, the library its break ... i think |
| 02:52.17 | ranix_ | It seems that I have hella trouble connecting to APs. For some reason, I can't do iwconfig wlan0 essid anything after trying a dhclient wlan0 |
| 02:52.22 | jperalta | cheal : :P |
| 02:52.23 | CraZyLeGs | jnc: Well I meant testing |
| 02:52.25 | cheal | CraZyLeGs: not necessarily...you're the one who should know better whether your prefer more up-to-date or more stable software |
| 02:52.27 | ranix_ | and all iwconfig changes do nothing |
| 02:52.44 | cheal | jperalta: you mean you're not using NVIDIA's drivers? |
| 02:52.55 | ranix_ | sorry Supaplex |
| 02:53.23 | jperalta | cheal : yep i not using NVIDIA drivers |
| 02:53.45 | jperalta | cheal : i have a ati chipset |
| 02:53.50 | cheal | jperalta: OK...where did you get ATI's proprietary drivers from? |
| 02:53.54 | CraZyLeGs | I'll rollback to sarge if it's necessary but for the moment, not problems so far |
| 02:53.59 | jperalta | www.ati.com |
| 02:54.04 | jperalta | cheal : www.ati.com |
| 02:54.34 | jperalta | cheal : they have drivers for 32 and 64 bits, but onlly for xorg 6.8 and 6.9 ... but i ahve 7.0 |
| 02:54.38 | jperalta | cheal : :( |
| 02:54.42 | CraZyLeGs | well I went for etch, because I've read somewhere I can't install software on stable that isn't certified or something like that |
| 02:54.56 | cheal | jperalta: OK. it's not really surprising if "cross-platform" installers from such vendors break Debian |
| 02:55.00 | beardy | CraZyLeGs: Where did you read something like that? |
| 02:55.07 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 02:55.19 | CraZyLeGs | some french document |
| 02:55.24 | aredhel | jperalta, the drivers work for xorg 7.0 but the package puts them in the wrong place |
| 02:55.53 | Azar | CraZyLeGs: you need to learn a bit about Debian: software is called "packages" and Debian archives has a list of packages you can use for your Debian Sarge or Debian Etch |
| 02:56.04 | jperalta | aredhel : but i don't can compiling all packages ... not compiling the kernel modules |
| 02:56.21 | beardy | CraZyLeGs: Well.. do you always trust strange french documents blindly? No, that is not the case, no "certification", whatever you mean. /msg dpkg dfsg, but that applies to all of Debian. |
| 02:56.25 | jperalta | aredhel : i don't know how correct this error |
| 02:57.00 | Azar | CraZyLeGs: using apt-get install you can install packages you need from here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 02:57.20 | beardy | CraZyLeGs: Also /msg dpkg reference |
| 02:57.40 | CraZyLeGs | ok, maybe I got it wrong, but it adviced to install testing iinstead of stable for a normal home box |
| 02:57.54 | Azar | CraZyLeGs: if you see a package name you want, as root, at command line type: apt-get install <packagename> |
| 02:58.28 | CraZyLeGs | if the package I want to install doesn't exist in the official debian list ? |
| 02:58.32 | Azar | CraZyLeGs: stable is as normal as can be but be aware: you can't install "software" that is not intended for Debian |
| 02:58.48 | CraZyLeGs | I should add its location in sources.list ? |
| 02:58.51 | jperalta | aredhel : The error in the compilation is : /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:2356: error: 'no_iommu' undeclared (first use in this function) , i think that the file firegl_public.c have the problem .. but ... is a big work correct this |
| 02:59.00 | Azar | CraZyLeGs: only if you know how to compile and fix dependencies for Debian |
| 02:59.06 | beardy | Azar: You can, but it's not wise to complain about it if something goes wrong. |
| 02:59.18 | Azar | beardy: right |
| 02:59.25 | CraZyLeGs | Azar: ah so he probabaly meant that |
| 02:59.45 | beardy | CraZyLeGs: You can compile it yourself, and in many cases make your own Debian packages when you do it, to install using the packagesystem. |
| 02:59.45 | Azar | CraZyLeGs: no, just save it in your bookmarks in your browser so to check it when you need something |
| 03:00.11 | beardy | CraZyLeGs: But an incredible amount of software IS in Debian, so tell us what you look for? |
| 03:00.43 | CraZyLeGs | I recently installed webmin by hand |
| 03:00.59 | CraZyLeGs | it told it couldn't find it but it's in the db or something like that |
| 03:01.02 | beardy | Don't use that, learn how to do things the real/right way. |
| 03:01.12 | beardy | !webmin |
| 03:01.12 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 03:01.40 | CraZyLeGs | I didn't know that :o |
| 03:01.42 | beardy | (Your choice of course, but it breaks more than it helps) |
| 03:01.57 | CraZyLeGs | well, maybe for a newbie it can help ? |
| 03:02.00 | ranix_ | Why does iwconfig wlan0 essid foo not do anything to wlan0? |
| 03:02.14 | CraZyLeGs | then when I get more comfortable with the system I do things by hand |
| 03:02.17 | tim_flatus | beardy, I didn't know that. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. ;) |
| 03:02.21 | ranix_ | wlan0 is an active device, I can do iwlist wlan0 scanning and see things |
| 03:02.25 | ranix_ | why can't I change its essid |
| 03:02.28 | ranix_ | it is driving me nuts |
| 03:02.31 | ranix_ | I am going to smash this card |
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| 03:02.57 | beardy | CraZyLeGs: Not really, it's better to learn how things work instead, even if you have to read some manapges and feel confused sometimes in the beginning, just don't give up and be patient. |
| 03:03.00 | nathe | ranix_: what's it doing? |
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| 03:03.13 | nathe | is it just saying 00:00:00: etc? |
| 03:03.15 | seba | join #haskell |
| 03:03.17 | nathe | for the mac? |
| 03:03.22 | ranix_ | nathe, yes |
| 03:03.28 | beardy | CraZyLeGs: And when you need, ask good questions, and you'll sort everything out. |
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| 03:03.43 | CraZyLeGs | ok, I spent the last 2days reading |
| 03:03.47 | CraZyLeGs | thanks |
| 03:03.48 | nathe | it meens that your wifi card isn't able to associate with the ap |
| 03:03.57 | nathe | is there an key? |
| 03:04.02 | ranix_ | an key? |
| 03:04.12 | nathe | err |
| 03:04.12 | ranix_ | like a wep? |
| 03:04.15 | nathe | a key |
| 03:04.17 | CraZyLeGs | but this is a support channel for debian not for secondary packages I assume |
| 03:04.18 | nathe | but yeah |
| 03:04.37 | tim_flatus | CraZyLeGs, read until your eyes fall out. It's good for you. ;) |
| 03:04.48 | nathe | when you iwlist scan does the ap show a key on? |
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| 03:05.07 | ranix_ | nathe, the AP I'm trying to connect to might be out of range, but there are others to try. But after trying a dhclient on it, I can't change anything at all |
| 03:05.22 | ranix_ | nathe, there isn't a key on this AP though. |
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| 03:06.07 | CraZyLeGs | I'm not complaining about reading, I think I spent my life reading |
| 03:06.32 | ranix_ | I don't understand why I'd be unable to try another AP after failing on one |
| 03:07.24 | CraZyLeGs | I need to configure dns and a mailserver ( postfix ) and later on, apache/mysql/php |
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| 03:07.58 | CraZyLeGs | Im familiar with AMP in windows, but that doesn't count I guess :) |
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| 03:08.53 | MrBond82 | Anyone here have experience with horder imp? |
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| 03:08.56 | tim_flatus | CraZyLeGs, well, it means you only really need to learn baout the L bit. :) |
| 03:08.56 | joeyh | the FAQ link in the topic seems broken. FWIW |
| 03:09.14 | CraZyLeGs | I came to the conclusion windows infects minds badly, hope it's not late |
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| 03:09.38 | CraZyLeGs | tim_flatus: yea, enough to get responsability when I'm hosting something |
| 03:10.11 | CraZyLeGs | I also want to install an ssh server and svn for my devs later |
| 03:10.18 | CraZyLeGs | :] |
| 03:10.21 | ranix_ | CraZyLeGs, microsoft told me friday that I couldn't install my legit XP key with a different XP disk (that is also original and legit) because that's piracy |
| 03:10.23 | nathe | ranix: then something else is keeping it from associating |
| 03:10.29 | trollboy | anyone have a good howto url on setting up wireless on debian? |
| 03:10.43 | tim_flatus | CraZyLeGs, just take it step by step and you'll be ok. |
| 03:10.44 | ranix_ | nathe, apparently |
| 03:11.03 | nathe | ranix: are you using ndiswrapper? |
| 03:11.06 | ranix_ | yes |
| 03:11.10 | mne | hi. I'm trying to make a binary truecrypt debian package. since I just want to make a quick and dirty binary package, I'm currently not willing to modify the code so that debianization would work like described in the debian maintainer's guide. Is anyone aware of a simple and dirty guide on how to create .debs ? |
| 03:11.20 | nathe | try modprobe -r 'ing it |
| 03:11.23 | CraZyLeGs | glad I started with debian |
| 03:11.25 | nathe | then put it back in |
| 03:11.41 | nathe | ndiswrapper on some cards is really picky about not having to change ssid's |
| 03:11.44 | CraZyLeGs | cause I've read a little about the other dists and the rpm thingy looks tedious |
| 03:11.57 | ranix_ | nathe, that is really obnoxious |
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| 03:12.43 | ranix_ | I shouldn't have thrown away the packaging for this card |
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| 03:13.01 | tim_flatus | CraZyLeGs, Debian has made me lazy, SOME things are a real no-brainer, like installing and upgrading software. |
| 03:13.08 | ranix_ | you wouldn't believe how hard it was for a newbie like me to compile ndiswrapper 1.14 from scratch in the first place |
| 03:13.18 | CraZyLeGs | also better pay a donation then pay redhat big money for a presumable support |
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| 03:14.15 | CraZyLeGs | ranix_: I already did that :) |
| 03:14.28 | CraZyLeGs | I have a linksys wifi router |
| 03:14.32 | ranix_ | me too |
| 03:14.37 | ranix_ | but this is a laptop |
| 03:14.44 | ranix_ | can't drag my openwrt box around with me everywhere |
| 03:15.05 | CraZyLeGs | usb stick or pci card ? |
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| 03:15.06 | CraZyLeGs | ah |
| 03:15.20 | ranix_ | I got the new belkin MIMO pre-n card |
| 03:15.26 | ranix_ | waste of money |
| 03:15.31 | ranix_ | next time I'm getting a linksys |
| 03:15.52 | ranix_ | this thing has good range but doesn't work with linux, flat out |
| 03:15.58 | CraZyLeGs | cisco is fiable I guess |
| 03:16.21 | ranix_ | ndiswrapper is a good try but no kismet and no *IWCONFIG* makes it pretty much blow chunks |
| 03:16.40 | CraZyLeGs | anything netwoky that doesn't support linux is waste |
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| 03:16.44 | ranix_ | I don't want to modprobe -r the driver every time the wind blows |
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| 03:17.02 | CraZyLeGs | linux _is_ for networks imo |
| 03:17.10 | swamprat | while doing a new kernel, how do i verify the current config used? |
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| 03:17.29 | ranix_ | the only reason I'm not returning it is that the webpage says drivers are coming early second quarter 2006 |
| 03:17.41 | ranix_ | and it would be a kickass card with real drivers |
| 03:17.52 | jnc | swamprat: your *current* config should be available as a copy in /boot/somethingorother |
| 03:18.02 | danieldg | I just upgraded kicker (and the rest of KDE) to 3.5.2-2, and I'm having a problem with icons in the system tray. My kicker is vertical, and 48 pixels wide. This is wide enough for a 2x2 square of icons, but they are displayed in a row. If I resize to 52 pixels wide, it goes to 2x2. Then, if I resize down to 48, they stay until a new icon is added |
| 03:18.10 | jw2328 | mne: I think checkinstall does what you want |
| 03:18.27 | swamprat | jnc: thanks .. deb.newb |
| 03:18.41 | CraZyLeGs | also when I have the choice to install sofware to usr/* or dev/* what should I use ? |
| 03:19.17 | CraZyLeGs | or there are cases where one is suitable ? |
| 03:19.23 | CraZyLeGs | more than the other that is |
| 03:19.33 | kjoonlee | swamprat: while you're at it, try cat /proc/config | more |
| 03:20.11 | swamprat | kjoonlee: ta |
| 03:21.43 | ceplma | !ask |
| 03:21.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:22.21 | ranix_ | thanks for the spam ceplma. I'm sure that three people asking to ask a question would have been less than what you just had dpkg paste |
| 03:22.21 | dpkg | ranix_: de nada |
| 03:22.32 | jbbruno | #join /debian-br |
| 03:22.45 | Linuhx | I have a problem with stuff; I'm running Debian version 1.3. when I try to do this I get the following output "you cannot do this". I expected it to do it. |
| 03:23.05 | CraZyLeGs | when I do sudo kedit /etc/bind/named.conf.options it says: kedit: cannot connect to X server |
| 03:23.56 | danieldg | Linuhx: you have to be more specific. Define "stuff" |
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| 03:24.06 | opnsrc | Thanks, I think I fixed the problem |
| 03:24.09 | kjoonlee | Linuhx: Define "this" |
| 03:24.12 | Linuhx | danieldg: yes |
| 03:24.16 | opnsrc | I completely uninstalled everything and now am going to re install it |
| 03:24.46 | CraZyLeGs | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 03:24.47 | lostson | the module's name is ndiswrapper right |
| 03:24.57 | lostson | it built fine but cant seem to load it |
| 03:25.14 | cheal | Linuhx: that's normal. you can't do that with Debian 1.3. |
| 03:25.22 | Linuhx | cheal: k. |
| 03:25.33 | kjoonlee | Linuhx: Didn't you mean 3.1? |
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| 03:25.43 | Linuhx | kjoonlee: no |
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| 03:26.23 | kjoonlee | Debian 1.3 ? bo, 1997-06-02 |
| 03:26.24 | Linuhx | kjoonlee: debian bo |
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| 03:26.55 | Azar | ok lm-sensors-mod has been filed with the bug lists, mmm maybe it will be fixed |
| 03:26.56 | Linuhx | kjoonlee: yes |
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| 03:27.21 | kjoonlee | Why would you want to use bo? What did you do? |
| 03:27.35 | Linuhx | kjoonlee: it works fine for me |
| 03:27.54 | cheal | Linuhx: you seriously want to upgrade to slink if you want those bells and whistles |
| 03:27.58 | ceplma | ranix_: sorry, my bad, just learning how to work bot |
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| 03:28.08 | torrap | is this an appropriate channel for asking for help with shell scripts or general commands ? any takers ? |
| 03:28.26 | ceplma | ranix_: you see? |
| 03:29.20 | danieldg | torrap: ask, or maybe ask in #bash for more shell-scripty things |
| 03:29.23 | vrone | torrap: someone here is going to teach u how to ask question. |
| 03:29.33 | Azar | is it sane to get a lm-sensors-2.4.27-2-ky when I am using a 2.6.15-2-k7 kernel? |
| 03:30.19 | torrap | I am looking to compare two large files (15 gigs) in chuncks of around 10 megs each as graphicly as possible . I was thinking of using just split,and md5 but cann't connect them |
| 03:30.20 | Azar | what it is another ladies night? |
| 03:30.21 | vrone | just as i said. |
| 03:30.35 | Linuhx | Does anyone know if I run apt-get dist-upgrade on bo if itll get me sarge?? |
| 03:30.54 | Azar | ok and what is bo? |
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| 03:31.12 | Linuhx | a version of debian, look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 03:31.14 | kjoonlee | Azar: 1997 version of debian |
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| 03:31.19 | kjoonlee | I'd doubt it. |
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| 03:31.33 | Azar | kjoonlee: ah thanks: never heard of anything before potatoe |
| 03:31.34 | cheal | Linuhx: as long as you manually upgrade to libc5, yes |
| 03:31.40 | CraZyLeGs | can I give my current user root permissions ? |
| 03:31.46 | CraZyLeGs | permanent rights |
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| 03:31.50 | Linuhx | yes |
| 03:31.53 | kjoonlee | CraZyLeGs: Why not use sudo or su? |
| 03:32.07 | Azar | CraZyLeGs: su acts exactly as root |
| 03:32.19 | FabParmaITA | hi |
| 03:32.26 | Linuhx | hai. |
| 03:32.29 | Azar | ok I take it as a no then |
| 03:32.42 | Azar | way to speak to myself |
| 03:32.44 | ranix_ | I don't use root for anything |
| 03:32.51 | ranix_ | I sudo all root only commands |
| 03:32.56 | Linuhx | same |
| 03:33.19 | ranix_ | if airgo doesn't come out with a driver in 80 days this card is going back to them, package or no |
| 03:33.22 | CraZyLeGs | read above I wanted to modify a file with kedit and it says the server Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 03:33.49 | Linuhx | no Linux drivers will be available for the Airgo chip set until late 2005 or early 2006. |
| 03:33.49 | ceplma | CraZyLeGs: output of xhost please |
| 03:33.59 | Linuhx | from their site |
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| 03:34.42 | CraZyLeGs | ceplma: sorry but what is that supposed to mean ? |
| 03:35.25 | CraZyLeGs | I did xhost, it gave me the same thing (Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified) |
| 03:35.36 | ceplma | CraZyLeGs: just run command xhost in the X terminal (xterm, gnome-terminal, or konsole) and tell us what is the outpu |
| 03:35.46 | ceplma | CraZyLeGs: do you have X running? |
| 03:35.51 | ranix_ | where did you get that info linuhx? |
| 03:36.11 | CraZyLeGs | I'm running kde |
| 03:36.18 | Linuhx | ranix_: type airgo linux drivers into google |
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| 03:36.41 | ranix_ | I've been doing that for the past 10 minutes |
| 03:36.46 | FabParmaITA | does exist a list of the most used/important commands? I searched everywhere, but I did'nt find nothing specific for debian, there are but only for others distro. Thank you in advance |
| 03:37.09 | ranix_ | I saw it through secondhand stuff like that article that's #1 but airgo seems to have no info on their site |
| 03:37.10 | Linuhx | http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1134910,00.html |
| 03:37.14 | Linuhx | there ranix_ |
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| 03:37.25 | ranix_ | in windows this card screams too, I would love some real drivers |
| 03:37.30 | Azar | hmm xsensors does not work |
| 03:37.31 | ranix_ | I'm talking 1600 foot range |
| 03:37.56 | ceplma | CraZyLeGs: weird -- no idea. |
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| 03:38.04 | Azar | its been a while I noticed sensors won't yet work with a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:38.52 | FabParmaITA | does exist a list of the most used/important commands? thanx in advance |
| 03:39.18 | CraZyLeGs | so how to log as root ? if close the current session, the panel won't let me to login as root |
| 03:39.25 | CraZyLeGs | +I |
| 03:39.30 | ranix_ | FabParmaITA, wikipedia "linux commands" |
| 03:39.49 | Red_Cloud | I am having trouble configuring bastille. In the error logs generated with the start of bastille it has errors opening files and writing to files. The instruction manual of bastille says that these errors are associated with nfs file system and refers me to the man pages of fstab, which, I think, refers me to nfs man pages. Here is a paste-it of the instructions in the bastille manual and the pertinent reference in fstab to nfs manpage. |
| 03:39.49 | Red_Cloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.09 | FabParmaITA | ranix_: thanx, nu are generic, dont treat about apt etc |
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| 03:41.16 | ranix_ | FabParmaITA, debian has very few utilities specific to it. The biggest are apt and dpkg, and the debian/rules script |
| 03:41.29 | FabParmaITA | ranix_: thanx, on wikipedia are generic linux commands, them dont treats about apt etc |
| 03:42.03 | ranix_ | FabParmaITA, man apt, man apt-get, man dpkg should do it |
| 03:42.48 | Red_Cloud | FabParmalTA, man apt-get |
| 03:43.32 | ranix_ | FabParmaITA, if you're new to unix, you might consider a sub-distribution of Debian for your first exposure. Debian is excellent for servers and legacy hardware, and for a novice or better at home, but a newbie might look at Ubuntu or Knoppix/Gnoppix |
| 03:43.36 | Azar | FabParmaITA: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/index.html#contents |
| 03:44.01 | FabParmaITA | i finde very strange that on the www.debian.org there is not a summary of the most important / used commands. At the beginning its very important a list like that |
| 03:44.05 | Azar | ranix_: I learned first with Debian, it was hard but I got better education |
| 03:44.22 | Azar | FabParmaITA: get that link I gave you: is a good tutorial |
| 03:44.28 | ranix_ | Azar, me too. But I'm impressed with the new subreleases |
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| 03:44.39 | FabParmaITA | Azar: ok, thankx |
| 03:45.29 | Azar | ranix_: my personal opinion: Debian is the best school for a beginner, who really wants to learn: the subreleases are just superficial quickies for those who do not have the time or the will to learn |
| 03:46.33 | Azar | ranix_: for example I do not want to learn like "click" on the Update button and you get a new kernel, that's not the way one learns |
| 03:46.56 | FabParmaITA | Azar: do you think is a summary of commands which you linked? |
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| 03:47.30 | ranix_ | Azar: Any beginner should fire up a gnoppix CD to see what they can do. I often see newbies get discouraged and not know how to set up their desktop beyond just saying "gnome is ugly, so I used KDE but it sucked" because all they see is default settings. |
| 03:47.35 | Azar | FabParmaITA: it depends what you need to do, but I advise you take your time, few weeks and study that tutorial it covers everything, mainly at least learn the filesystem |
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| 03:48.08 | FabParmaITA | Azar: to remember the commands |
| 03:48.11 | ranix_ | FabParmaITA, and remember the /home/ directories are your friends. |
| 03:48.11 | Azar | ranix_: I have stayed 3 years without X, just pure command line |
| 03:48.38 | ranix_ | Azar, I use a GUI because I like to spend money on hardware |
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| 03:49.11 | Azar | ok FabParmaITA the most important command in Debian is : apt-get install apt-get remove apt-get update/apt-get upgrade. This is your package (software) installer |
| 03:49.31 | Azar | ranix_: that sounds really weird |
| 03:49.51 | ranix_ | Azar, well, gnome looks great on six 20" monitors |
| 03:50.04 | Azar | ranix_: I do not use kde nor gnome. |
| 03:50.06 | FabParmaITA | does not matter, I am sorry, forget it, i will find anothe solution, bye |
| 03:50.24 | ranix_ | lol |
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| 03:50.28 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.29 | pilgrim | I've got apache2 in a chrooted environment. How would I update apache2 (the jailed one)? |
| 03:50.30 | peterS | / \ |
| 03:50.53 | FabParmaITA | Azar: does not matter, I am sorry, forget it, i will find anothe solution, bye |
| 03:50.54 | Azar | ranix_: they are bloated and my logo is: the more software the bloater the system, the more vulnerabilities around |
| 03:51.55 | ranix_ | Azar, A setup that shocks, astounds, and confuses people when they walk into my office is worth one or two minor security holes when I'm behind a locked-down router |
| 03:52.04 | Azar | FabParmaITA: Debian requires time, patience and a lot of reading: you will never learn it from 3 questions/answers in an irc |
| 03:52.39 | Azar | ranix_: bah you lost time moving from ms to linux then: you got same stew |
| 03:52.46 | pilgrim | OK. Let me get this straight. ranix_ is all for gnome right? |
| 03:52.59 | ranix_ | not really |
| 03:53.10 | ranix_ | I only recently switched, I used to use fluxbox religiously |
| 03:53.12 | Azar | I moved from linux because I wanted something different than ms |
| 03:53.31 | ranix_ | I moved to linux because I set up windows all day at work |
| 03:53.32 | pilgrim | Azar, yeah I know. I love gnome too :) |
| 03:53.45 | Azar | pilgrim: I do not love gnome |
| 03:53.53 | ranix_ | and I am sick of poking and prodding it trying to get a frigging 'wizard' to recognize my hardware |
| 03:53.59 | pilgrim | Azar, you do. you just don't know (yet). |
| 03:54.02 | peterS | am I the only one who uses linux because it works the way I work, rather than because the GUI apps look cooler than windows? |
| 03:54.24 | zinx | peterS: yes |
| 03:54.27 | pilgrim | peterrooney, yes |
| 03:54.34 | peterS | poor peterrooney |
| 03:54.35 | Azar | I do not understand people who move from windows to... windows from a gui to another... gui |
| 03:54.42 | zinx | peterS: your poor computer is stuck doing mundane tasks |
| 03:54.47 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 03:54.49 | zinx | peterS: like solving world hunger |
| 03:55.01 | pilgrim | peterS, I though the tab was broken :) |
| 03:55.07 | ranix_ | Having the option of using a GUI is better than having no option and only having a command line |
| 03:55.13 | zinx | peterS: meanwhile the rest of us are doing important stuff like drawing translucent windows with drop shadows and jiggling them around! |
| 03:55.17 | ranix_ | I happen to like to look at a pretty gradient on my desktop |
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| 03:55.20 | Azar | I am happy with Debian because I have the freedom to use it gui-free |
| 03:55.28 | peterS | zinx: my computer must feel so unfulfilled. I don't even let it participate in folding@home |
| 03:55.45 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 03:56.08 | peterS | and forget that non-free SETI@Home crap, my computer never gets to do signal processing from outer space |
| 03:56.34 | ranix_ | I am convinced that seti is spamming emails or something |
| 03:56.57 | ranix_ | no idiot would write a program to "process signals from outer space" |
| 03:57.33 | ranix_ | except maybe the guy who wears plastic pyramids covered in tinfoil on his head, and I'm pretty sure he can't code C |
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| 03:58.22 | pilgrim | For the love of God: what happens when I do "apt-get update apache2" to update my apache!? Or how do I find out what happens when I do "apt-get update apache2" to update my apache?? |
| 03:58.32 | pilgrim | Sincerely, pilgrim |
| 03:58.38 | fatalerror | pilgrim: apt-get install apache2 |
| 03:58.47 | fatalerror | pilgrim: that will upgrade apache2 if a new version is available |
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| 03:59.01 | ranix_ | apt-get update apache2 would ignore "apache2" and just refresh your packages lists iirc |
| 03:59.02 | peterS | pilgrim: you don't 'update' individual packages, you use 'install' to upgrade named packages or 'upgrade' to upgrade everything available |
| 03:59.06 | fatalerror | pilgrim: apt-get update will ignore the second argument (apache2) and update apt's lists of available packages |
| 03:59.08 | pilgrim | fatalerror, what? I thought "update" does that. |
| 03:59.15 | peterS | nope |
| 03:59.22 | ranix_ | update updates your package lists |
| 03:59.25 | fatalerror | pilgrim: it doesn't do that, and has never done that |
| 03:59.31 | ranix_ | so apt knows what is new |
| 03:59.39 | pilgrim | ouch. |
| 03:59.42 | ranix_ | so apt-get update; apt get install apache2 |
| 04:00.05 | pilgrim | OK. What happens when I do that (apt-get install apache2)? |
| 04:00.12 | ranix_ | scroll up |
| 04:00.19 | pilgrim | LOL. good one. |
| 04:00.21 | peterS | pilgrim: it will upgrade apache2, if it thinks there is a newer version available |
| 04:00.36 | peterS | pilgrim: it will only think this if you have previously done a 'apt-get update' to update its lists |
| 04:01.22 | pilgrim | peterS, OH!!! OK. And what exactly does it do, if in fact it thinks that there is a new apache2 ? |
| 04:02.17 | peterS | pilgrim: it'll upgrade apache2. this is a slightly bad example, since 'apache2' is not the real package you're worried about - it's just a metapackage that will pull in 'apache2-mpm-prefork' or another of the variant packages |
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| 04:03.20 | peterS | actually 'metapackage' is the wrong word - apache2 is a real package but it isn't the whole story |
| 04:03.35 | pilgrim | peterS, ok. Well. hmm. I want to know because if I chroot apache2 then the "upgrade" will not be applied correctly, right? So, if I know the inner workings of "upgradeing" I'll be able to modify this behaviour so the chrooted apache gets upgraded. |
| 04:03.38 | ranix_ | pilgrim: in short, it will tell you that there is a new version and tell you what dependencies have also been upgraded, and ask if you really want to install these upgrades. (Y/n). If you pick Y, it will uninstall the old packages and replace them with new ones. Most packages are backwards compatable so nothing will break, and if something would break, apt would tell you. |
| 04:04.02 | peterS | pilgrim: if you copy stuff into another location, the upgrade won't touch your new location, correct. you'll want to recopy whatever you copied the first time |
| 04:04.40 | Red_Cloud | What file determines which programs start at boot? |
| 04:04.49 | peterS | pilgrim: you can use 'dpkg -L apache2' to see the list of files that (will be / have been) upgraded. along with 'dpkg -L apache2-mpm-prefork' or whichever of the three variants you are using |
| 04:04.56 | ranix_ | Red_Cloud, /etc/init is full of scripts that determine that |
| 04:04.58 | pilgrim | damn. why does security things have to be so hard. Couldn't we make everything open. OH RMS WHERE ARE YOU?! |
| 04:05.06 | ranix_ | Red_Cloud, man init IIRC |
| 04:05.12 | Red_Cloud | ranix, thanks much |
| 04:05.18 | ranix_ | Red_Cloud, it is kind of complicated, and debian is special with startup |
| 04:05.24 | ranix_ | compared to other distros |
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| 04:05.46 | peterS | pilgrim: I don't know what procedure you used to chroot apache2, anyway - but if it involved copying files to another location, you'll probably need to just do whatever you did before, to refresh your copies |
| 04:06.17 | pilgrim | peterS, I used makejail. |
| 04:06.29 | pilgrim | peterS, and I guess all just have to remake it. |
| 04:06.42 | pilgrim | jail, that is |
| 04:06.45 | peterS | pilgrim: yes, probably. I don't know for sure what that does, as I haven't used it. |
| 04:06.59 | pilgrim | peterS, Well. Thanks alot. |
| 04:07.03 | peterS | no problem |
| 04:07.16 | pilgrim | fatalerror, thanks to you too. |
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| 04:08.55 | pilgrim | Oh, and another thing about chroot. Can I chroot MySQL in its own jail and apache2 in it's own separate jail (with PHP) and still be able to connect to MySQL database in the PHP scripts? |
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| 04:09.29 | peterS | pilgrim: I'm sure there are ways. I don't remember how mysql communicates by default, but I think it uses a unix domain socket, so you'll need to arrange for that socket to appear in both chroots. bind mounting fun. |
| 04:10.16 | Nopalin | i upgraded to sid, and when is installing manpages-dev_2.25-2, it return an E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), any suggerstion? |
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| 04:11.54 | peterS | pilgrim: ∥ or so? |
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| 04:12.55 | pilgrim | peterS, yeah. that's about right. |
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| 04:13.52 | kjoonlee | Nopalin: You could try again. It does that sometimes. |
| 04:14.03 | pilgrim | OK. Screw chroot. |
| 04:14.17 | peterS | (: |
| 04:14.31 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: try another mirror? |
| 04:14.39 | Nopalin | kjoonlee: i tried five times, i try installing that package manuallly and return the same |
| 04:14.45 | cheal | Nopalin: checking the BTS? |
| 04:15.24 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: i use http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian, what suggest to me? |
| 04:15.37 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: when you say that you tried installing "manually" do you mean with apt or with dpkg? |
| 04:15.38 | Nopalin | cheal: whats BTS? |
| 04:15.45 | kjoonlee | Nopalin: bugs.debian.org |
| 04:15.47 | peterS | Nopalin: http://bugs.debian.org |
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| 04:15.56 | cheal | !btssmite Nopalin |
| 04:16.03 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: with dpkg |
| 04:16.31 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: and dpkg didn't give you any more information than apt did? |
| 04:16.33 | trollboy | I just did a fresh install with the net-inst cd |
| 04:16.48 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: yes, but i cant post it, i dont wanna do flood |
| 04:17.05 | trollboy | kernel 2.4.27 |
| 04:17.11 | trollboy | I did a apt-get upgrade |
| 04:17.13 | trollboy | same kernel |
| 04:17.17 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 04:17.33 | kjoonlee | trollboy: "apt-get update" first |
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| 04:18.00 | trollboy | nada |
| 04:18.03 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: i posted it |
| 04:18.08 | trollboy | mirrors.kernel.org |
| 04:18.11 | trollboy | nada |
| 04:18.20 | Solet_mod | how should i go about removing old kernels? just apt-get remove kernel-image-x.x.x-y-zzz ??? |
| 04:18.30 | kjoonlee | trollboy: which net-inst image did you use? |
| 04:18.57 | kjoonlee | trollboy: stable? testing? |
| 04:19.02 | peterS | Solet_mod: that works, yeah |
| 04:19.03 | trollboy | stable |
| 04:19.26 | peterS | Solet_mod: or interactively in 'aptitude', is how I prefer to do that sort of thing |
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| 04:19.46 | Solet_mod | i really really really dont like aptitude |
| 04:19.51 | kjoonlee | trollboy: 2.4.27-3 is the newest in stable |
| 04:20.08 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: is your installed modutils the latest one from sid or an old one? |
| 04:20.10 | kjoonlee | trollboy: Package: kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686 (2.4.27-10sarge2) [security] |
| 04:20.25 | trollboy | ah |
| 04:20.28 | trollboy | that explains it |
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| 04:20.51 | trollboy | anyone up for helping install my wifi card? |
| 04:21.13 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: i dont know, i guess apt resolve that, let me check |
| 04:21.15 | trollboy | or getting my system to read some drives? |
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| 04:21.41 | davidm | Good evening all. |
| 04:21.44 | kjoonlee | trollboy: of course there's Package: kernel-image-2.6-686 (101sarge1) [security] for stable as well. |
| 04:21.47 | l00pdee | i used kernel-package to build newest kernel, tho where is initrd for newest kernel? |
| 04:21.59 | trollboy | I just wiped and reloaded deb |
| 04:22.16 | trollboy | trying to set up wireless and get the system to mount my old drives |
| 04:22.20 | trollboy | this box was a FS |
| 04:22.24 | valdyn | l00pdee: its not there if you dont make it explicitely |
| 04:22.25 | trollboy | now its gunna be a FS and GW |
| 04:22.38 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: i have modutils Version: 2.4.27.0-5, but i dont know if thta version is a stable or unstable |
| 04:22.38 | trollboy | see originally I had this box next to my cable modem |
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| 04:22.43 | l00pdee | valdyn: is it nessicary? |
| 04:22.50 | trollboy | now I moved and I've no cable in my office |
| 04:22.56 | davidm | Anyoneable tyo answer me a couple simple questions? |
| 04:23.08 | kjoonlee | davidm: ask away |
| 04:23.11 | trollboy | so I've got a cable modem in my liv and a wireless router |
| 04:23.16 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: you did use dist-upgrade to upgrade to sid, right? |
| 04:23.18 | valdyn | l00pdee: nope |
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| 04:23.46 | l00pdee | valdyn: when i boot the new kernel, vfs error cannot find hd0,0 or something says to change root= but i do not know where |
| 04:23.48 | trollboy | the plan is to put the box back in my office, and have it take traffic in the wifi card, and spew it to the rest of my network via the onboard eth |
| 04:23.55 | valdyn | l00pdee: if you have to ask this your probably shouldnt build your own kernel and/or your custom kernel wont boot anyway |
| 04:23.57 | davidm | I am trying to use by new Lexar 512 meg usb thumbdrive on my Debian system. |
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| 04:24.12 | l00pdee | valdyn: prolly right |
| 04:24.18 | trollboy | davidm, its not autodetecting? |
| 04:24.21 | trollboy | mine took right off |
| 04:24.26 | trollboy | auto mounted and everystuff |
| 04:24.28 | Solet_mod | do i need to do anything magical to grub to make it realize that i killed 2 old kernels? |
| 04:24.39 | valdyn | l00pdee: your root fs driver and your disk controller driver need to be compiled in, not as modules |
| 04:24.52 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: yes, i do apt-get upgrade -t unstable |
| 04:24.59 | trollboy | so ladies and gentlemen |
| 04:25.02 | trollboy | what are your thoughts? |
| 04:25.17 | l00pdee | valdyn: ahh, make oldconfig from 2.6.8 to newest causes problems maybe |
| 04:25.19 | davidm | under info center and usb devices it shows |
| 04:25.32 | davidm | How do I see it? |
| 04:25.44 | l00pdee | valdyn: shouldn't use make old config if compile a different kernel version ? |
| 04:25.49 | valdyn | l00pdee: not exactly, but using a debian kernel config for a kernel without initrd does |
| 04:25.50 | trollboy | davidm, look under /media |
| 04:25.58 | l00pdee | valdyn: ahh |
| 04:26.06 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: when moving to unstable you really ought to use dist-upgrade... |
| 04:26.16 | valdyn | l00pdee: modify what i said above, or use an initrd |
| 04:26.20 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: it's supposed to try to resolve the kind of issue you've run into |
| 04:26.21 | valdyn | !initrd |
| 04:26.21 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 04:26.36 | teledyn | davidm: they use the usb-storage module and sd_mod and show up as scsi drives, e.g. /dev/sda1 |
| 04:26.53 | l00pdee | ok |
| 04:27.09 | davidm | checking , not under /media, see my 2 cdrom and floppy. |
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| 04:27.37 | _Ben_ | Howdy. I'm having a lot of problems with getting sound working. Anyone able to help? |
| 04:28.07 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: sorry, my english isnt' very well, i cant understand very well, you say i must run dist-upgrade? |
| 04:28.27 | davidm | YAY! I found it! Err you found it! |
| 04:28.29 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i use lspci, : pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices, i don't have /sys in my linux, how shall i fix it? |
| 04:28.37 | valdyn | l00pdee: that factoid is pretty useless, just change the 2 config options in your custom kernel as i said |
| 04:28.55 | peterS | TraceGreen: that means you're running a 2.4 kernel rather than 2.6. it surprises me that lspci doesn't work with 2.4 |
| 04:29.37 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: if i run "apt-get upgrade -t unstable" again it says that only manpages-dev will be upgraded |
| 04:29.40 | valdyn | TraceGreen: youre using unstables lspci on a 2.4 kernel? |
| 04:29.46 | peterS | _Ben_: run 'uname -r' - what kernel version are we talking? also, what kind of sound chip do you have, do you know? |
| 04:29.48 | davidm | Question then. Is there a way or something in the start menu to access the USB drive? |
| 04:29.52 | TraceGreen | peterS, i use linux-2.6.14, but i compile it myself. what item should i compile to have /sys? |
| 04:29.54 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: I mean instead of "apt-get upgrade" you should do "apt-get dist-upgrade"... |
| 04:30.02 | l00pdee | valdyn: i'll do it, i think i can find them |
| 04:30.04 | valdyn | TraceGreen: nm |
| 04:30.06 | peterS | TraceGreen: nothing in particular, it should always be available. I wonder why it's not. |
| 04:30.22 | valdyn | peterS: sysfs has to be explicitely compiled in |
| 04:30.25 | _Ben_ | peterS: 2.6.15-1-k7, It's a SB Live. |
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| 04:30.29 | cahoot | unless the dir simply is never created |
| 04:30.30 | peterS | valdyn: it does? I thought it wasn't optional |
| 04:30.40 | _Ben_ | peterS: It worked fine until I moved from sarge to etch. |
| 04:30.47 | TraceGreen | peterS, i don't know either. so, if i compile my kernel well, linux should have /sys, right? |
| 04:30.53 | valdyn | TraceGreen: and you need to eplicitely mount it too |
| 04:30.57 | peterS | _Ben_: odd - so is the 'snd_emu10k1' module loaded? check 'lsmod' to find out |
| 04:31.07 | Ex-Cyber | Nopalin: I also urge you to consider running testing rather than unstable, unless you have some important reason for running unstable |
| 04:31.12 | TraceGreen | valdyn, mount -t sys sys /sys? |
| 04:31.15 | Azar | _Ben_: I just upgraded to etch few days ago: I picked 2.6.15-2-k7 |
| 04:31.24 | peterS | valdyn: as for mounting it, I thought that was done automatically by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 04:31.37 | valdyn | TraceGreen: mount -t sysfs /sys |
| 04:31.59 | valdyn | peterS: yea, i would think so if he used a debian 2.6 kernel, but if he does not, then im not so sure |
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| 04:32.26 | peterS | valdyn: it should autodetect this stuff regardless. but you may be right about it being a compile option. I didn't think so but you probably know better than I do |
| 04:32.30 | valdyn | TraceGreen: try it, if that doesnt work you know your kernel config is wrong |
| 04:32.30 | stoned | sunny i don't use windows remember |
| 04:32.37 | Azar | _Ben_: I was expecting to upgrade the kernel, re-run alsaconf and recompile X is normal |
| 04:32.43 | peterS | TraceGreen: or just 'cat /proc/filesystems' and see if sysfs is in there |
| 04:32.49 | TraceGreen | valdyn, thanks! that's work. but i have another problem. |
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| 04:33.11 | _Ben_ | peterS: I see snd_emu10k1_synth, and it's game port module... and the modules for my onboard AC97... But not just snd_emu10k1 |
| 04:33.13 | Azar | errr reconfigure X I ment |
| 04:33.15 | davidm | Funny thing aboput windows. I have been testing various linux distros for years. I think Debian is ready and does pretty much all I want. |
| 04:33.21 | Nopalin | Ex-Cyber: hmm ok, you have right, thanks for ur help |
| 04:33.34 | davidm | I am migrating all my stuff form my old Win ME system. |
| 04:33.38 | peterS | _Ben_: well hmmm, I wonder why not. does 'modprobe snd_emu10k1' do anything? |
| 04:33.40 | TraceGreen | valdyn, when run lspci, it should tell me such as sound card, ether card, but now, when i run lspci, it juse some numbers, so, i don't know which one is sound card , which one is netcard. |
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| 04:34.05 | peterS | TraceGreen: class 0401 is sound, class 0200 is network (: |
| 04:34.06 | valdyn | TraceGreen: does it say 'unknown device' ? |
| 04:34.28 | _Ben_ | peterS: Nothing at all. |
| 04:34.36 | TraceGreen | valdyn, no. |
| 04:34.57 | peterS | _Ben_: ok, yeah, normally it gives no output. try 'dmesg | tail' to see if it said anything in the kernel log when it loaded |
| 04:35.03 | valdyn | TraceGreen: are you running even debian? |
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| 04:35.26 | TraceGreen | valdyn, yeah, but i compile my kernel myself. |
| 04:35.35 | valdyn | TraceGreen: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 |
| 04:35.46 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks! |
| 04:35.55 | _Ben_ | peterS: Nothing about it in there. |
| 04:36.10 | peterS | _Ben_: and 'lsmod' - is the module loaded now? |
| 04:36.13 | _Ben_ | peterS: Unless 'ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 209' has something to do with it. |
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| 04:36.40 | peterS | _Ben_: could be, but I'd expect snd_emu10k1 to chat a bit about the sound chip it found, or whatever |
| 04:36.48 | _Ben_ | peterS: snd_emu10k1 is now loaded. |
| 04:36.54 | TraceGreen | valdyn, my is : 0000:00:12.0 0401: 1274:1371 (rev 02), perterS told me 0401 is sound card and 0200 is net card, so, i think i can deal with it now. thanks! |
| 04:36.57 | yetistomps | when downloading the netinstall, is stable really OLD? or should i get testing? |
| 04:37.08 | k31th | Guys im trying to use pam_mkhomedir.so to make a users home dir the first timr they log into SquirrelMail (SquirrelMail needs a home dir to store email and files). However im failing how can i see whats happening ? is there a way of finding out wat error its throwing back ? |
| 04:37.34 | peterS | TraceGreen: so you want the snd_ens1371 module for that one |
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| 04:37.59 | peterS | it's an Ensoniq 1371 chip, or related |
| 04:38.02 | TraceGreen | yeah!, peterS thanks very much! |
| 04:38.08 | TraceGreen | valdyn, thanks ! |
| 04:38.19 | l00pdee | valdyn: i think i'll use initrd |
| 04:39.07 | peterS | TraceGreen: I wonder why it doesn't look up the chip names for you. is your /usr/share/misc/pci.ids file missing or something? it should look everything up in there |
| 04:39.11 | FabParmaITA | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:40.28 | yetistomps | when downloading the netinstall, is stable really OLD? or should i get testing? |
| 04:40.40 | unstable | yetistomps, Is it a production server, or a desktop? |
| 04:40.50 | TraceGreen | peterS, i don't have /usr/share/misc/pci.ids. |
| 04:40.51 | yetistomps | unstable, desktop |
| 04:40.59 | unstable | yetistomps, If I were you, I would go with testing. |
| 04:41.01 | peterS | yetistomps: stable is less than a year old, but for some people that's old. both will probably work fine |
| 04:41.20 | yetistomps | unstable, okies |
| 04:41.26 | yetistomps | peterS, thanks :-) |
| 04:41.41 | _Ben_ | peterS: So yeah, it's loaded now. What next? |
| 04:41.59 | peterS | TraceGreen: ok so I wonder why not. it comes in the pciutils package. though I guess these days it's a link to /var/lib/pciutils/pci.ids |
| 04:42.03 | davidm | I am runnign 2.4.27-2-686. How current is that? |
| 04:42.14 | davidm | Is that top end for the 2.4 kernel? |
| 04:42.20 | Supaplex | regarding dpkg's (bot) "ndiswrapper one-liner" factoid, how should I build this to be installed on a different machine? The firewall I need it on has very limited storage. |
| 04:42.57 | peterS | _Ben_: these things are usually fully automatic, just a matter of making sure the module is loaded. try 'cat /proc/asound/cards' to see if the driver knows about the chip |
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| 04:43.31 | _Ben_ | peterS: It recognized it. |
| 04:43.44 | FabParmaITA | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.45 | FabParmaITA | ...of Debian its a mission imho |
| 04:43.55 | peterS | _Ben_: so it really should work now |
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| 04:44.11 | _Ben_ | peterS: Do you think I would have to reboot? |
| 04:44.17 | _Ben_ | peterS: I'm not hearing anything yet. |
| 04:44.19 | peterS | _Ben_: no, just the module loading should work |
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| 04:44.31 | peterS | _Ben_: you'll have to restart your applications that want to play sound, certainly |
| 04:44.32 | Supaplex | FabParmaITA: you can help, check out the debian wiki. |
| 04:44.47 | _Ben_ | peterS: Ah, right. I'll try restarting X. |
| 04:44.56 | peterS | _Ben_: you can try that but it *probably* isn't needed |
| 04:45.01 | _Ben_ | peterS: Actually, I'll just try launching a sound player. ;) |
| 04:45.07 | peterS | _Ben_: but also ... many sound modules mute the card at initialisation time, so you may need to run a mixer app such as alsamixer to turn up the volume |
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| 04:45.25 | FabParmaITA | Supaplex: sorry, i dont know debian wiki |
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| 04:47.06 | Supaplex | FabParmaITA: have you soughtit out? It is trivial to find... |
| 04:47.15 | Supaplex | sought it* |
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| 04:49.08 | davidm | night all, thanks |
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| 04:49.19 | TraceGreen | what packet of "modprobe" belong to? |
| 04:49.45 | swamprat | re: fakeroot make-kpkg append_to_version <= what version of what? |
| 04:49.53 | miki | anyone can tell me where from i can get testing debian pacakges via apt? i got few ftp's but none of em works well |
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| 04:51.14 | peterS | TraceGreen: for 2.6 kernels, 'module-init-tools' |
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| 04:52.03 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks so much! you answer me so many questions! thanks! |
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| 04:56.22 | Alives | whats wrong with this sudo entry? %www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL /usr/share/cacti/scripts/iptables.pl |
| 04:59.59 | Serinity | I just bought a laptop and i never had so much problems to have linux working on it, it's crazy, like if everything was designed to be incompatible |
| 05:00.00 | Serinity | :( |
| 05:00.23 | Serinity | a compaq v5xxx |
| 05:00.31 | Serinity | for info if someone wants to invest |
| 05:00.58 | damog | is Compaq still selling computers a manufacter? |
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| 05:01.24 | damog | as* |
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| 05:01.49 | unstable | Serinity, IBM/Lenovo is the best for linux laptop support. |
| 05:01.52 | _Ben_ | peterS: We have sound! Thanks mate. |
| 05:02.00 | Serinity | i already had a compaq laptop and i pretty much liked it but since compaq was bought by hp it seems everything's going worse and worse |
| 05:02.17 | Serinity | unstable, i had a tight budget |
| 05:02.23 | CraZyLeGs | does debian have 'mail' command ? |
| 05:02.26 | peterS | _Ben_: cool. ok, now for the future - we don't know why snd_emu10k1 is not being loaded. but to force it, just add a line to /etc/modules, with that name. |
| 05:02.27 | unstable | Serinity, Or you can buy linux laptops fully supported(everything) from here... http://www.emperorlinux.com/ |
| 05:02.46 | damog | CraZyLeGs: Yes. |
| 05:02.48 | peterS | _Ben_: at boot time, debian will load every module in that file, so that's a reasonable workaround for the lack of autodetection |
| 05:02.57 | Serinity | unstable, thanks but i already bought it |
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| 05:03.21 | daeos | how would i decompress a .zip file? |
| 05:03.30 | peterS | daeos: the 'unzip' package |
| 05:03.35 | daeos | thanks |
| 05:03.41 | damog | daeos: unzip file.zip |
| 05:03.46 | CraZyLeGs | damog: it says command not found, when I do 'apt-cache search mail' it gives a huge list so I'm not sure what package to install to have it |
| 05:04.03 | _Ben_ | peterS: I rebooted and it seemed to load it that time. I also disabled the onboard sound from the BIOS. |
| 05:04.11 | alexscott | CrazyEddy, exim |
| 05:04.18 | peterS | CraZyLeGs: it's in the 'mailx' package |
| 05:04.20 | _Ben_ | peterS: And after a short fiddle with OSS & ALSA I was able to unmute. |
| 05:04.24 | damog | CraZyLeGs: It's on the mailx package. |
| 05:04.32 | CraZyLeGs | ok thanks |
| 05:04.38 | peterS | _Ben_: ahh. sounds like you're on top of things now then |
| 05:04.41 | Serinity | ... rebooting |
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| 05:05.06 | _Ben_ | peterS: Now I have sound I can set about getting video working nicely. Thanks again, bye! |
| 05:05.12 | peterS | np |
| 05:05.23 | BlackJud1s | Hrrm, how do I explain things... and ask the right question... See, I have this hosting panel, and it's screwing up one of the config files (ie... it's not finding the tags it's trying to replace in the template) anyway, I want to trace to see what program gets called to use these templates and create these config files. Does anyone have any idea how I can even do something like this? |
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| 05:05.55 | |ryan| | what's the device node for the keyboard? |
| 05:06.01 | peterS | BlackJud1s: your question is very specific to the implementation of your panel program. if it's in perl, ruby, C++, python ... it'll be different things |
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| 05:06.21 | peterS | |ryan|: for most purposes you don't need a device node for the keyboard. for what purpose are you wanting to know? |
| 05:06.42 | BlackJud1s | Hrrm, yeah, I _think_ it's perl, though this thing has compiled c, perl, php.. it's all over the place... oh and even bash. |
| 05:06.52 | |ryan| | peterS: I am interesting in reading keyboard scancodes directly |
| 05:07.06 | alexscott | |ryan|, showkey |
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| 05:07.20 | peterS | yeah, the 'showkey' program does this well. |
| 05:07.21 | xomhau | morning all :D |
| 05:07.25 | |ryan| | alexscott: not suitable. |
| 05:07.27 | damog | even xev can work on that, I guess |
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| 05:07.39 | damog | on X11 obviopusly |
| 05:07.50 | damog | obviously* |
| 05:07.51 | |ryan| | i need to read a keyboard that is not an input for a console. |
| 05:07.56 | peterS | |ryan|: well, it's the console device, which is to say /dev/vcs or something like that |
| 05:08.10 | |ryan| | on a system running with a serial console, and no X. |
| 05:08.31 | |ryan| | probably a usb keyboard. |
| 05:08.51 | cowman | hey, I'm having a problem getting a printer driver to install, it's segfaulting and it says it failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
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| 05:09.01 | |ryan| | do usb keyboards show up under /dev/input? |
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| 05:13.17 | swamprat | hi all, with the cmd - fakeroot make-kpkg append_to_version <= what version of what? |
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| 05:14.04 | damog | swamprat: Append to the kernel version number |
| 05:14.12 | alexscott | nop |
| 05:14.20 | alexscott | its the name |
| 05:14.30 | nick|here | append_to_version can be everything you want without spaces |
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| 05:15.08 | swamprat | ah, so my 'new' kernel is 2.6.15 ... so it could be kernel-2.6.15? |
| 05:15.25 | nick|here | yep |
| 05:15.30 | alexscott | ex: [...] --append_to_version=tutu |
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| 05:15.49 | alexscott | uname -r => 2.6.15tutu |
| 05:15.55 | ravsi | exit |
| 05:15.58 | ravsi | hehe |
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| 05:16.08 | swamprat | ah, boy this is sooo different from gentoo, k |
| 05:16.40 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i play sound: /dev/dsp, no such file or directory , i don'f find /dev/dsp , how can i deal with it? |
| 05:16.46 | damog | swamprat: any reason to be the same? |
| 05:17.02 | swamprat | no, but wouldn't expect such a difference ... |
| 05:17.07 | damog | :) |
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| 05:18.40 | swamprat | sorry, my uname -r = 2.6.15-1-486 => append_to_version=2.6.15-1-486 ? |
| 05:18.48 | alexscott | nop |
| 05:18.52 | swamprat | k |
| 05:18.59 | alexscott | [...] -1-486 |
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| 05:19.04 | anotheruse1 | My gcc compilers don't work on Debian Sarge, and any attempt to apt-get install leads to dependency hell. It looks like gcc is installed (but it fails to locate library files while compiling .c and simply refuses to work on .cpp files); and c++ and g++ are not installed. Could anyone give me pointer to what I should be doing? |
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| 05:19.36 | ori | does quake 2 compile under linux? i know the engine is now OS but i can only find a package for quake2-data.. |
| 05:19.50 | damog | anotheruse1: Do you have build-essential installed? |
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| 05:20.12 | alexscott | ori just buy it ;) |
| 05:20.27 | anotheruse1 | @damog: It looks like it is not (command not found). |
| 05:20.41 | damog | anotheruse1: It is not a command, it's a package. |
| 05:20.42 | ori | alexscott: i own the windows version |
| 05:20.57 | damog | anotheruse1: Try apt-cache policy build-essential |
| 05:21.14 | anotheruse1 | @damog: Right, I'll try that. One moment. |
| 05:21.22 | Solet_mod | godmachine81: you around? |
| 05:21.30 | bibe | hi all. I run Etch on my laptop, I have both gnome and kde metapackages installed. Since the last upgrade of gnome-icon-theme (and other icon-related packages) I can't see most of Evolution icons. I googled for the solution to this annoying issue, but I didn't find anything. Any suggestion? |
| 05:22.10 | damog | bibe: What exact Evolution icons? The icons on the buttons inside the app? |
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| 05:22.25 | anotheruse1 | @damog: This is what I get - Installed: (none) Candidate: 10.1 |
| 05:22.34 | damog | anotheruse1: You should try installing it. |
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| 05:22.54 | jm_ | bibe: try running gnome-settings-daemon before evolution |
| 05:23.19 | anotheruse1 | @damog: I'll give it a shot and keep my fingers crossed. Thank you! |
| 05:23.29 | bibe | damog : the New, Send/Receive, Reply, ... buttons on the top of the window, and all the icons of the folders (open/closed folder, Junk folder)... |
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| 05:23.42 | bibe | jm_ : ok, just trying |
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| 05:24.03 | damog | anotheruse1: Sure. |
| 05:24.23 | swamprat | Solet: hola |
| 05:24.53 | swamprat | Solet_mod: hola |
| 05:24.55 | danieltec | swamprat: de donde eres? |
| 05:24.56 | anotheruse1 | Dear me, this is too bad - Depends: g++ Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 05:25.05 | damog | danieltec: English, please. |
| 05:25.15 | bibe | jm_ : great! thank you very much, I'll run it automatically after logging into kde |
| 05:25.22 | swamprat | danieltec: nfi |
| 05:25.26 | danieltec | damog: ok i understand |
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| 05:25.55 | damog | jm_: Is that a bug on gnome-control-center or something? |
| 05:26.10 | anotheruse1 | What's really strange/amusing is that when I try to install libc6-dev, it tells me that libc6-dev depends on libc6, but when I apt-get install libc6, it tells me that libc6 is already in the latest version. I might say I'm thoroughly confused... |
| 05:26.31 | jm_ | damog: I have no idea, I don't use anything GNOME, but someone gave that advice last week |
| 05:26.46 | Solet_mod | hey swamprat |
| 05:27.18 | damog | anotheruser: try installing build-essential, really |
| 05:27.19 | swamprat | what you doing here? |
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| 05:28.02 | Solet_mod | lookin for godmachine81 |
| 05:28.03 | danieltec | swamprat: who? |
| 05:28.34 | damog | anotheruser: AFAIK, it depends on libc6-dev || libc-dev |
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| 05:29.51 | danieltec | please sayme one channel in spanish of debian |
| 05:30.16 | damog | danieltec: #debian-es |
| 05:30.19 | bibe | !es |
| 05:30.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:30.23 | damog | dani#debianmexico |
| 05:30.31 | damog | Meh |
| 05:30.35 | danieltec | okay thanks |
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| 05:33.14 | anotheruser | Well, I was just dropping by to check if anyone has had a similar experience. *shrug* Never mind, I'll try to do _something_ about it. @damog: Thanks for your time and attention. |
| 05:34.22 | damog | np |
| 05:35.42 | l00pdee | asileriot rocks |
| 05:35.47 | l00pdee | when compile kernel |
| 05:38.12 | Supaplex | what can I use to update a source package from a newer upstream release? (when sid doesn't have it yet) |
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| 05:39.24 | evilgeek | how do people who run unstable install new packages? it seems that the complex web of dependencies and conflicts woven by debian developers have made the simple "aptitude install package" impossible. |
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| 05:40.47 | damog | evilgeek: Debian is really moving these days. |
| 05:41.09 | damog | Which is good if we try to release Etch by the end of the year. |
| 05:41.12 | cheal | evilgeek: those who run sid will know |
| 05:41.35 | l00pdee | sid etch sarge what else is there |
| 05:41.45 | damog | Supaplex: uupdate |
| 05:42.14 | evilgeek | (for instance, what's with package kdelibs4 conflicting with package kdelibs4c2a?) |
| 05:43.06 | Supaplex | uupdate isn't on p.d.o |
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| 05:43.38 | damog | Supaplex: It's inside devscripts packages. |
| 05:43.39 | killown | anyone know an interface for cc? |
| 05:43.44 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 05:44.02 | damog | killown: Creative Commons? |
| 05:44.07 | alexscott | killown, joke ? |
| 05:44.25 | killown | alexscott damog thanks |
| 05:44.39 | killown | lol |
| 05:45.00 | killown | gcc = cc |
| 05:45.11 | killown | gcc = front-end >> cc |
| 05:45.14 | alexscott | do you search a IDE to dev on C ? |
| 05:45.26 | nevyn | things not to do... mount a vfat filesystem on /tmp then start an 48hr job in /tmp |
| 05:45.40 | damog | nevyn: Geez. |
| 05:45.42 | killown | alexscott yes |
| 05:46.01 | nevyn | damog: I spent a good 10 minutes trying to chmod /tmp/.X11-unix |
| 05:46.03 | alexscott | anjuta |
| 05:46.12 | nevyn | befor going and flushing my own head |
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| 05:46.22 | damog | Heh. |
| 05:46.23 | killown | alexscott ajunta? |
| 05:46.23 | Supaplex | nevyn: hehe :) |
| 05:46.48 | nevyn | problem is .. now I'm 6 hrs in. |
| 05:46.54 | alexscott | it is |
| 05:47.00 | Supaplex | nevyn: while tmpfs is cool, don't use it for /home :-d |
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| 05:48.40 | mrwoody | Strange problem. My wireless connection is not bad... but when I try to ssh my machine, it takes almost 1 minute to login. After that it is very fast. Does anyone know why? (it is much faster if i connect via eth0) |
| 05:49.20 | Supaplex | mrwoody: try -vv |
| 05:49.27 | TraceGreen | Hello, i don't have /dev/dsp, so, i run mknod -m 666 /dev/dsp c 14, 3 in root, but system told me: Operations no permitted. why? |
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| 05:49.33 | mrwoody | Supaplex: you mean ssh -vv |
| 05:49.40 | Supaplex | yes |
| 05:49.55 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: recent system, check if you have ALSA or OSS drivers. if ALSA, add the OSS compat modules |
| 05:49.57 | mrwoody | Supaplex: debug1: Connecting to manhattan [192.168.123.106] port 22. |
| 05:50.10 | mrwoody | Supaplex: it stays there for very long |
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| 05:50.19 | tabris|away | mrwoody: ARP? |
| 05:50.34 | mrwoody | tabris|away: ? |
| 05:50.56 | TraceGreen | tabris|away, sorry, but what do you mean? do you mean i should check whehter i have alsa or oss driver first? if i have, i should loaded them and then mknod? |
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| 05:51.16 | Supaplex | !arp |
| 05:51.16 | dpkg | from memory, arp is the address resolution protocol, which converts IP addresses to MAC addresses |
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| 05:51.50 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: assume, for the moment, you're on 2.6, with udev. that means that /dev/dsp should be created after you modprobe the OSS compat drivers. but if you're in OSS mode native, then we'll have to find another sol'n |
| 05:52.08 | mrwoody | tabris|away: what am I supposed to do with ARP? |
| 05:52.31 | tabris|away | mrwoody: nothing. but it might be taking a while to ARP resolve, and if so, there's little you can do but check your switch/router/AP |
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| 05:53.18 | mrwoody | tabris|away: I see. thanks. What would you check? |
| 05:53.23 | Supaplex | mrwoody: any high latency when pinging? (don't paste). if it's really arp, you might try assigning it manually (man 8 arp iirc) |
| 05:53.25 | TraceGreen | tabris|away, i use kernel 2.6.14 but witch ndevfs, i don't know the relationship between udev and ndevfs. |
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| 05:53.41 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: I know devfs, but not ndevfs. |
| 05:53.45 | mrwoody | Supaplex: thanks... yes high latency ping |
| 05:53.54 | mrwoody | Supaplex: but only in one direction |
| 05:53.55 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: anyhow, check which driver set you're using. |
| 05:54.08 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: don't get hung up on the other issues yet. |
| 05:54.40 | Supaplex | mrwoody: how far is the station and ap from each other? |
| 05:54.42 | TraceGreen | tabris|away, what driver? sound card? i load snd-ens1371, alsa |
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| 05:55.07 | Supaplex | is any other ap/client using the same channel for a different ssid? |
| 05:55.22 | mrwoody | Supaplex: at the moment, few feet |
| 05:55.23 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: ok. now we know (I used to have that card. nice card). now, lsmod |grep oss |
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| 05:55.54 | mrwoody | Supaplex: you mean within my neighborhood? |
| 05:55.57 | Supaplex | mrwoody: which card are you using? has anyone else reported similar issues? |
| 05:55.58 | TraceGreen | tabris|away, nothing. |
| 05:56.01 | Supaplex | yes |
| 05:56.15 | mrwoody | Supaplex: I Am not sure what my neighbor use.. but I could try to change channel |
| 05:56.19 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: ok, modprobe snd_pcm_oss; modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
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| 05:56.29 | mrwoody | Supaplex: the bard is a broadcom |
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| 05:57.00 | cafuego | omg! shakespeare is a wifi card? |
| 05:57.52 | Supaplex | mrwoody: check the iwconfig manpage for more info on scanning. I'm nto sure how much it can tell you. |
| 05:58.19 | Supaplex | cafuego: bc is full of drama, what else would you expect? ;) |
| 05:58.21 | mrwoody | Supaplex: ok... thanks very much for your help |
| 05:58.24 | TraceGreen | tabris|away, yeah! after i loaded snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss, i find /dev/dsp |
| 05:58.42 | TraceGreen | i am trying play sound now, tabris|away |
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| 06:00.15 | nvz | why are your eyeballs open? surgery? |
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| 06:00.43 | streuner | cafuego: you didn't know? :-) |
| 06:00.57 | cahoot | TraceGreen: why not use apps that uses alsas native devices instead of the old /dev/dsp via alsas oss emulation? |
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| 06:01.24 | nvz | you must be getting irc implants in your eyeballs I guess |
| 06:01.28 | streuner | cafuego: me either..., what happens to bob2? |
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| 06:01.45 | cafuego | streuner: has bob2 gone missing? |
| 06:01.51 | TraceGreen | cahoot, actually, i just want to play sound. and i don't find /dev/dsp first. |
| 06:01.52 | cafuego | !seen bob2 |
| 06:01.52 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 130d 22h 56m 34s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 06:02.14 | streuner | cafuego: well, some people asked for him, but IRC is sometimes a bitch... |
| 06:02.19 | l00pdee | oh man, i used fakeroot to build the kernel package, said at the end could not create the kernel-image.deb ugh |
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| 06:03.08 | Gnea | l00pdee: well yeah, you need real root privelages to write to a root-owned directory |
| 06:03.11 | cafuego | streuner: his domain appears to have lapsed |
| 06:03.14 | l00pdee | im just going to do it as root |
| 06:03.21 | streuner | cafuego: lapsed? |
| 06:03.52 | cafuego | streuner: runs a squatter search page now |
| 06:04.38 | nvz | squatter that sounds elegant |
| 06:04.43 | cafuego | streuner: Seems to have a canonical email address, but missing aprt from that. |
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| 06:05.18 | cafuego | streuner: Send him a mail, see if he's still about |
| 06:05.24 | streuner | cafuego: well, interesting point would be is bob2 ok or not |
| 06:07.00 | nvz | sounds like something animals do when they are about to defecate |
| 06:07.51 | cafuego | nvz: humans too, I think you'll find |
| 06:08.08 | nvz | are humans not animals? |
| 06:08.20 | streuner | no |
| 06:08.35 | streuner | you can eat animals... |
| 06:08.48 | nvz | you can eat ... |
| 06:09.24 | streuner | nvz: s/can/could/ ;-) |
| 06:09.54 | unix_infidel | anyone know whether its possible to change the icons on evolution. |
| 06:09.57 | unix_infidel | they make my eyes hurt. |
| 06:11.14 | TraceGreen | tabris|away, does it because i use alsa or oss that i can hear wav sound? |
| 06:11.16 | Supaplex | !lart unix_infidels' evolution icons |
| 06:11.23 | nvz | I could really go for something salty right now but I dont think its humans |
| 06:11.33 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: well, hear sound at all really. |
| 06:11.38 | TraceGreen | cahoot, i also want to use alsa driver. |
| 06:11.47 | unix_infidel | hmm, that doesnt make the icons prettier. |
| 06:11.55 | nvz | I was thinking like pretzels or popcorn or something |
| 06:11.58 | unix_infidel | just makes them...slower... |
| 06:12.02 | unix_infidel | but heck, they're already slow. |
| 06:12.06 | TraceGreen | tabris|away, actually, when i run saytime: execl failed, when use wavplay, it can play wav. |
| 06:12.09 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 06:12.52 | unix_infidel | any ideas? |
| 06:12.56 | tabris|away | TraceGreen: not a clue |
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| 06:14.14 | liable | something keeps screwing my mbr.. |
| 06:14.24 | miki | anyone can tell me where from i can get testing debian pacakges via apt? i got few ftp's but none of em works well |
| 06:14.39 | erudified | what must I do to make a .pl script execute by libapache2-mod-perl2? |
| 06:15.02 | nvz | well I came across tortilla chips on my way to the popcorn.. and popcorn needs popped.. so the chips win |
| 06:15.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:15.06 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:15.07 | unix_infidel | if i install new fonts will gnome use them? |
| 06:15.16 | liable | miki: you need to edit your sources list or set up pinning |
| 06:16.14 | miki | liable: i got all standard stable deb list and ome ftp list from some howto, with pin priority set to those ftp's |
| 06:16.41 | miki | but only 2 of 4 are working and they are missing packages, they cant be official ftps |
| 06:17.12 | liable | miki: just copy your sarge ones and change sarge to etch.. |
| 06:17.22 | miki | ahhh. etch |
| 06:17.23 | liable | miki: man apt-preferences |
| 06:17.30 | liable | etch or testing |
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| 06:17.58 | unix_infidel | ok so say i download and instal gnome-extra-icons package. |
| 06:18.02 | unix_infidel | how can i make evolution use some of the icons. |
| 06:18.10 | miki | i tried testing, only 1 of 4 official was working |
| 06:18.18 | miki | didnt know that its etch |
| 06:18.39 | liable | unix_infidel: irc.gnome.net (or maybe .org) |
| 06:19.03 | erudified | I'm running Testing, just dist-upgraded. Apache 2.0.55, etc. What must I do to make a .pl script execute by libapache2-mod-perl2? |
| 06:19.08 | unix_infidel | liable: ? |
| 06:19.24 | erudified | Do I need to have #!/usr/bin/perl at the top of the script, or does it infer the handler from the extension? |
| 06:19.54 | unix_infidel | hmmm, perl doenst use /usr/bin/env perl like python? |
| 06:20.08 | erudified | well, I'm sure it could |
| 06:20.09 | liable | unix_infidel: you will get good gnome support there if no-one here answers.. |
| 06:20.19 | erudified | env is just like `which perl` |
| 06:20.21 | unix_infidel | liable: i'm even trying in ##gnome. |
| 06:21.14 | l00pdee | you know alot of people ask me why i use linux, they say how can something be so good if it is free, 1 person in particular sasy, " do you trust linux? " i dont know what to tell them |
| 06:21.37 | unix_infidel | liable: even so, how would i go about makeing sure evolution uses them? |
| 06:22.03 | liable | l00pdee: tell them that thousands of geeks looking through the source code, it has to be fairly trustworthy. |
| 06:22.16 | liable | unix_infidel: i dont use gnome |
| 06:22.24 | liable | or evo |
| 06:22.30 | unix_infidel | liable: what do you use pine? |
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| 06:23.14 | liable | unix_infidel: telnet! hah, no, i use thunderbird. |
| 06:23.31 | unix_infidel | :P |
| 06:23.38 | l00pdee | liable: i think thats true, i think i'll say you trust microsoft and they dont let anyone look through the source .. |
| 06:24.00 | Supaplex | all my whims to modify support for various things in oses/platforms w/o open source and free licensing die fast. |
| 06:24.51 | Supaplex | if the free alternative is missing something, I atleast have the freedom to change that. (and I have in multiple occasions). |
| 06:25.05 | liable | l00pdee: microsoft can hide little backdoors and call them bugs. who knows whats the truth as you cant see the source. you cant do that with opensource apps. |
| 06:25.10 | l00pdee | supaplex: exactly |
| 06:25.25 | evilgeek | l00pdee: the answer is "no." |
| 06:25.28 | miki | liable: should i add dot at end of etch? |
| 06:25.33 | liable | miki: no |
| 06:25.41 | evilgeek | trusting a huge mass of code to be bugfree seems like an inherently stupid thing to do. |
| 06:25.47 | evilgeek | unless it's TeX. |
| 06:25.48 | miki | hmm, none is working then=\ |
| 06:26.06 | liable | miki: read a pinning howto |
| 06:26.13 | miki | im getting 404 not found when im updating |
| 06:26.15 | l00pdee | evilgeek: trust is a big thing these days |
| 06:26.18 | Supaplex | evilgeek: there just be a tex joke there I missed. :P |
| 06:26.23 | l00pdee | tex huh |
| 06:26.24 | l00pdee | heh |
| 06:26.27 | liable | miki: paste your sources list on a paster |
| 06:26.38 | Supaplex | just/must/ |
| 06:26.38 | evilgeek | Supaplex: nobody has found a bug in TeX in the past 17 years, IIRC. |
| 06:26.44 | Supaplex | nice |
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| 06:26.49 | miki | liable: i removed stable sources, now only testing ones |
| 06:26.50 | liable | miki: the modem works? |
| 06:27.03 | liable | miki: i dont care. paste it. |
| 06:27.04 | Supaplex | evilgeek: if only it had support for my wireless cards ;) |
| 06:27.49 | miki | http://pastebin.com/678346sec |
| 06:28.05 | miki | liable: yes, it was kinda trick to load pppoatm tho |
| 06:28.25 | miki | i had module but i was forced to move it to diff directory |
| 06:28.38 | liable | miki: non-us doeant exist anymore |
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| 06:28.45 | evilgeek | why would you want a typesetting system to support your wireless card? what could it possibly do with it? |
| 06:30.24 | cahoot | evilgeek: format the packets beautifully |
| 06:30.25 | miki | liable: it works now |
| 06:30.28 | liable | !tell miki about etch security |
| 06:30.41 | Supaplex | haha I like cahoot's answer. there is no reason really. |
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| 06:32.56 | miki | apt-get -f install = 720mb to download lol |
| 06:33.44 | miki | i was running very old packages on 2.4.27 |
| 06:34.05 | liable | miki: congrats anyway. it took a long time for you to work that kernel thing out, a lot of people would have given up after a day or so. :) |
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| 06:34.56 | miki | liable: kernel part was easy, problems were a bit more deeps.. i was forced to use half things as modules and half as kernel parts |
| 06:35.16 | miki | in both cases, agp and modem |
| 06:35.30 | miki | i got 6 versions of current kernel :) |
| 06:36.34 | miki | anyway now i know that linux without your own kernel is useless :) |
| 06:36.52 | jm_ | not really |
| 06:36.57 | liable | not for 99% of people |
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| 06:37.14 | miki | maybe this hardware i just a mess then |
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| 06:37.23 | jm_ | in fact, it would be useless for 95% of people because they would fail to compile it properly |
| 06:37.36 | jm_ | having your own kernel I mean |
| 06:37.43 | l00pdee | jm_: i may fall into that 95% , find out in a few moments |
| 06:37.44 | liable | jm_: what makes you say that? :P |
| 06:38.18 | jm_ | l00pdee: just make sure you have some old, working kernel available to boot with |
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| 06:38.40 | miki | well, i had enought windows/hardware knowledge to compile only needed parts and get them to work |
| 06:38.48 | miki | still i dont understand like 1/3 options |
| 06:38.53 | l00pdee | jm_: thats for sure, i learned that lesson way back , the last time i compiled a kernel succsessfully was redhat 5.2 lol |
| 06:38.54 | sep | miki, now you know why it's adviced to check hardware compatibility _before_ buying :) |
| 06:39.42 | FlopsyPete | Synaptic in Testing crashes when I hit Apply. I see no existing bug report for this, other than for Ubuntu's Synaptic. Are others seeing this at the moment? |
| 06:39.53 | miki | well, still to get fast kernel ur forced to make your own |
| 06:40.05 | miki | my current one is almost 5 times smaller than default one |
| 06:40.11 | liable | FlopsyPete: file a bug |
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| 06:40.34 | Fox_1_ | hi all. how to uninstall program which I install from source code? |
| 06:40.55 | FlopsyPete | liable: I will, just first wondered if it was otherwise known about |
| 06:41.03 | sep | Fox_1_, make uninstall from the source migth be worth a shot |
| 06:41.32 | liable | Fox_1_: if you are lucky, make-uninstall, if not make -n and delete shits that it says |
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| 06:42.16 | sep | Fox_1_, and _prey_ that the files you remove arent also included in a deb package. since you'v then managed to break it. next time do checkinstall make install instead of just make install |
| 06:42.27 | tarzeau | !mouse |
| 06:42.28 | dpkg | hmm... mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. http://www.jahns-arpke.de/Privat/Bautagebuch_/Bautagebuch_mit_Fotos/15_05_2004/Maus.JPG |
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| 06:42.57 | tarzeau | dpkg mouse is also http://www.experiencescompany.com/SentImages/Bless%20This%20Mouse.jpg |
| 06:42.57 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 06:43.44 | l00pdee | thats a cute lil mouse |
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| 06:44.06 | liable | any thoughts on why running lilo after a udev upgrade or whatever is killing my mbr? |
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| 06:44.57 | liable | booting results in half a screen full of 9's or it may be 099's.. |
| 06:45.11 | liable | or something similar :) |
| 06:45.34 | streuner | did you look at BTS? |
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| 06:46.33 | jm_ | 0x09 means DMA attempt accross 64k boundary |
| 06:46.44 | erudified | I'm not a perl user, but I want to run a perl script. How can I check that LWP::Simple is installed? |
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| 06:47.15 | jm_ | erudified: dpkg -S LWP |
| 06:47.22 | liable | streuner: of course! .. erm, actually no :) i have have only rebooted a few times in the last month or so, so i havent been all that concerned with it. |
| 06:47.28 | Fox_1_ | ok, i'm trying. |
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| 06:47.52 | liable | streuner: in lilo? |
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| 06:48.17 | streuner | liable: so the MBR could be possible broken before |
| 06:48.24 | gnufan | erudified: apt-get install libwww-perl should work too -- and fix it if it isn't |
| 06:48.57 | streuner | liable: run 'lilo -v' if you get errors |
| 06:49.07 | liable | streuner: what do you mean? i didnt quite understand that comment |
| 06:49.25 | liable | streuner: i have just been lilo -b and away i go again |
| 06:50.21 | liable | brb |
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| 06:50.33 | l00pdee | wow, im happy :) |
| 06:50.34 | streuner | liable: stop |
| 06:50.43 | l00pdee | and noticabley faster |
| 06:50.53 | streuner | liable: lilo -v is better, you see if there are errors or not... |
| 06:51.14 | l00pdee | linux rocks |
| 06:51.18 | icebit | somebody uses Stardict? |
| 06:51.31 | streuner | liable: lilo would fix or create MBR if lilo.conf is ok... |
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| 06:52.53 | dak | so i take it a dist-upgrade in sid is a bad idea atm ? |
| 06:53.14 | streuner | dak: /msg dpkg sid faq, read /topic, /msg dpkg unstable |
| 06:53.24 | dak | yeah i know all about sid |
| 06:53.27 | vimman | is there a tool to convert shell scripts to dot files.. to make graphs.. ( dot files I mean http://www.graphviz.org/doc/info/lang.html) ... not hidden files.. |
| 06:53.32 | dak | m asking does xorg 7 break |
| 06:53.40 | streuner | it runs fine here |
| 06:53.43 | Coweater | check the bts |
| 06:53.55 | dak | k |
| 06:53.56 | dak | thanks |
| 06:54.04 | icebit | what path to WyabdcRealPeopleTTS in Stardict? |
| 06:54.07 | dak | why does it want to install all those x servers? |
| 06:54.09 | icebit | somebody uses Stardict? |
| 06:54.17 | streuner | dak: new in 7 |
| 06:54.32 | dak | yeah but why does it install x servers u dont use |
| 06:54.33 | streuner | dak: they part each driver in 7 |
| 06:54.34 | dak | heh |
| 06:55.23 | dak | uh but why does it need them it wont ever use them |
| 06:55.39 | streuner | why do you care? |
| 06:55.50 | streuner | some of these drivers are 20-35 k... |
| 06:56.23 | dak | all you gotta say is you dont know |
| 06:56.24 | dak | jesus |
| 06:56.40 | dak | back to idle |
| 06:57.11 | streuner | no |
| 06:57.27 | streuner | we said, we cannot give you any warranty that nothing will break |
| 06:57.46 | dak | well "i dont know" is a shity answer |
| 06:57.57 | dak | i asked why does it install all those x servers you dont use |
| 06:58.01 | streuner | that's unstable |
| 06:58.09 | dak | im running sid and it does it |
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| 06:58.29 | Coweater | it did it before, now they're just seperate packages is all |
| 06:58.53 | dak | wehn i do a dist-upgrade it wants to install prolly 20 x servers that are of no use to me |
| 06:59.06 | Coweater | to find the real reason you'd have to know the purpose behind modularizing packages which i don't know |
| 06:59.06 | streuner | and? |
| 06:59.17 | dak | why the hell does it do that, waste |
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| 06:59.24 | streuner | waste what? |
| 06:59.29 | dak | space |
| 06:59.32 | streuner | 35 k for each package |
| 06:59.46 | dak | and then its gotta update those packages every week or two now |
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| 06:59.56 | dak | or whenver the hell it updates |
| 06:59.57 | dak | jesus |
| 06:59.59 | streuner | well, don't run sid then |
| 07:00.10 | dak | dude you are such a cock sucker |
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| 07:00.13 | liable | hrm, no new bugs for lilo anyway. |
| 07:00.16 | gejo_deb | how can I create a user with 50 characters long |
| 07:00.21 | SlayerXP | dak: bye, it was nice having you here. |
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| 07:00.25 | gejo_deb | by using useradd |
| 07:00.26 | stew | dak: there's no need for that |
| 07:00.35 | liable | jm_: got a pointer for that one/ (web page) |
| 07:00.35 | stew | dak: if you don't want those packags, remove them |
| 07:00.42 | dak | he keeps on busting my ass for anything i say |
| 07:00.55 | evilgeek | dak: welcome to #debian. |
| 07:00.55 | dak | just trying to get a rise out of me |
| 07:00.56 | stew | dak: put him on /ignore |
| 07:00.58 | SlayerXP | dak: you're whining about alpha quality software being alpha quality. |
| 07:01.01 | liable | nm |
| 07:01.05 | dak | i am stew |
| 07:01.08 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: hehe, that's the after sunday |
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| 07:01.13 | dak | SlayerXP: i asked a question... |
| 07:01.19 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 07:01.20 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 07:01.22 | dak | 2nd one ignroed |
| 07:01.35 | streuner | if you whining about packages in unstable and bandwidth, you shouldn't run sid then. |
| 07:01.41 | jm_ | liable: for 0x09? |
| 07:01.42 | tarzeau | streuner: exactly |
| 07:01.48 | tarzeau | streuner: and dpkg should support p7zip |
| 07:01.54 | SlayerXP | so he's going to keep ignoring people until someone explains why unstable is unstable? |
| 07:01.55 | SlayerXP | muahaha |
| 07:01.59 | tarzeau | as if i care if random noobs who can't read ignore me |
| 07:02.06 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: you're my friend. and all regulars in here |
| 07:02.06 | SlayerXP | he'll soon be in a world all by himself |
| 07:02.18 | unix_infidel | anyone know if there are themes available for evolution mail client? |
| 07:02.24 | SlayerXP | i reckon he's on a planet all of his own already, mind |
| 07:02.27 | liable | jm_: yeah, tis ok, i geuss i will get off my lazy ass and check it out myself :) |
| 07:02.28 | tarzeau | unix_infidel: #gnome on irc.gnome.org maybe? |
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| 07:02.38 | gejo_deb | how can I create a user in linux with 50 characters like this |
| 07:02.38 | unix_infidel | tarzeau: lol :( |
| 07:02.39 | jm_ | liable: it's in Manual.txt.gz |
| 07:02.39 | gejo_deb | useradd administrator@mediaconsulting-canada.com |
| 07:02.42 | dak | i dont care about the bandwidth, its the point of it wanting to installing 40+ packages that have no use |
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| 07:03.03 | stew | dak: all those drivers are installed by default so that by default the upgrade from the non-modular pacakges can be automatic. |
| 07:03.22 | liable | jm_: ta |
| 07:03.23 | stew | dak: you can manually install only the packages you want instead, or remove them later |
| 07:03.37 | dak | thanks stew |
| 07:03.41 | gejo_deb | hi |
| 07:04.10 | gejo_deb | can you please help to create a username having 50 character's long |
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| 07:04.19 | stew | and more importantly the upgrade from xfree, so that sarge->etch can be someday released |
| 07:04.19 | gejo_deb | using useradd |
| 07:04.26 | dak | just got mad that streuner is giving me the run around and he dont even know and he is doing it to me to bust balls |
| 07:04.28 | tarzeau | gejo_deb: no |
| 07:04.43 | dak | im not trying to be a mean guy slayer |
| 07:04.51 | plasmid | i just installed the "net-installation" for debian. Two things occured: one: xorg will not start because it tells me fonts do not exist. TWO: i can't do xorgconfig because I have NO idea what my Sharp PC-R50 Laptop horizontal and vertical refreshes are. I did some googling and I found out that this olde laptop can do 1400x1050 max. Please help/advice. |
| 07:04.56 | evilgeek | dak: welcome to #debian. |
| 07:05.07 | tarzeau | plasmid: so you installed sid? |
| 07:05.09 | dak | yeah i know |
| 07:05.14 | plasmid | tarzeau: testing. |
| 07:05.14 | tarzeau | !topicsmite plasmid |
| 07:05.14 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon plasmid. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 07:05.19 | gejo_deb | is it not possible to create a user having 50 characters long in linux |
| 07:05.28 | evilgeek | dak: some open-source nerds are incredibly antisocial. |
| 07:05.30 | liable | meh, but this isnt an old box. |
| 07:05.30 | tarzeau | plasmid: and you know what? testing is longer days broken than sid |
| 07:05.36 | tarzeau | plasmid: because things get fixed in sid first |
| 07:05.41 | SlayerXP | dak: no-one is allowed to complain about problems with unstable. by using it, you waive all your rights to complain about breakage or unexpected or unwanted behaviour of any kind. |
| 07:05.46 | tarzeau | plasmid: and nobody can stop breaking testing |
| 07:05.49 | streuner | evilgeek: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:05.58 | streuner | evilgeek: you want provoke us? |
| 07:06.11 | dak | slayer stop getting mad at me, evilgeek called you an antisocial nerd :p |
| 07:06.15 | plasmid | tarzeau: i am not sure I understand. SO ..i should have not downloaded "testing" net-install? |
| 07:06.20 | plasmid | I am new to linux. |
| 07:06.23 | tarzeau | streuner: i'm a free software guy |
| 07:06.26 | evilgeek | sigh. i rest my case? |
| 07:06.26 | SlayerXP | I am _so_ not a nerf. |
| 07:06.28 | SlayerXP | err nerd |
| 07:06.30 | tarzeau | streuner: are you only an open source guy? |
| 07:06.33 | dak | plasmid: godbless you then if you want help in here |
| 07:06.58 | evilgeek | there are a lot of open-source people who are not antisocial, hence the existential quantifier. |
| 07:06.59 | dak | my sign on time is longer then slayers |
| 07:07.05 | gejo_deb | is it not possible to create a user having 50 characters long in linux? I think it is possible |
| 07:07.06 | plasmid | dak: i take it ..you already are baptized? :-) |
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| 07:07.09 | tarzeau | !consultants |
| 07:07.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, consultants is http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 07:07.13 | gejo_deb | but we have to edit some files |
| 07:07.17 | tarzeau | gejo_deb: no it's not |
| 07:07.25 | tarzeau | gejo_deb: and it's not just possible by editing some files |
| 07:07.37 | gejo_deb | may i know what is the problem? |
| 07:07.38 | plasmid | ok.. so I should redownload netinstall... to stable? (but stable is so OLDE) |
| 07:07.41 | dak | plasmid: yeah and confirmed |
| 07:08.12 | gejo_deb | may i know the problem? |
| 07:08.35 | evilgeek | streuner: to answer your questions, i'm trying to prevail upon the people in #debian not to be jerks, and no, i'm not trying to provoke the plural you, whoever that may be. |
| 07:08.51 | plasmid | is there some war going on here atm? |
| 07:09.05 | evilgeek | not that i know of. |
| 07:09.24 | plasmid | ok.. then. Relax ppl. We are all here to help or get help. |
| 07:09.24 | dak | i like evilgeek so far |
| 07:09.29 | dak | good little speach |
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| 07:10.03 | plasmid | So since I am new to Debian linux.. it was a very bad idea to download net-install testing? |
| 07:10.07 | apikoros | how do i tell apt-get to upgrade all packages, even if they're held back? "apt-get --ignore-hold upgrade" isn't working! |
| 07:10.12 | tarzeau | plasmid: yes, use stable |
| 07:10.19 | apikoros | plasmid: no, testing's fine |
| 07:10.20 | tarzeau | plasmid: and backports, depending on your needs |
| 07:10.25 | plasmid | ? |
| 07:10.33 | evilgeek | plasmid: it usually means that you have to screw around getting your system to work. |
| 07:11.09 | stew | apikoros: apt-get install packagename |
| 07:11.11 | plasmid | evilgeek: but stable is so olde... that's why I selected testing. Then again I am a newbie so I should go with stable. |
| 07:11.25 | apikoros | stew: did you even read my question? |
| 07:11.30 | stew | apikoros: yes |
| 07:11.46 | apikoros | stew: i want to upgrade *all* upgradeable packages, not a specific one |
| 07:11.53 | kneet | Hmm. Just upgraded thunderbird (sid) - not all my local folders have appeared. I see the files on disk - any easy way to get thunderbird to see them? |
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| 07:12.07 | stew | apikoros: /msg dpkg held back |
| 07:12.28 | evilgeek | plasmid: it used to be that it was possible to run unstable or testing on a computer. from my experiences today, it seems this has changed. |
| 07:12.32 | liable | hrm, i may have to look into this. when i purge/install lilo, it fails when i run liloconfig, but then if i run lilo -b all is well... |
| 07:12.38 | apikoros | stew: ah, okay. thanks. |
| 07:12.58 | plasmid | evilgeek: understood. Redownloading to stable "netinstall." |
| 07:13.10 | streuner | evilgeek: the point is, in the past we get rid of those people who whining about bandwidth and packages which doesn't fit to the needs of users who using unstable *and* insulting regulars |
| 07:13.22 | l00pdee | i couldn't have done it without kernel-package package ! |
| 07:13.26 | l00pdee | ooops |
| 07:13.26 | stew | i never saw whining |
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| 07:13.32 | liable | hrm Kernel & BIOS return differing head/sector geometries for device 0x80 |
| 07:13.38 | cahoot | gejo_deb: looks like it's restricted to 32 chars - see the man page for utmp |
| 07:13.42 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:13.52 | nevyn | whining about bandwidth? |
| 07:14.05 | nevyn | why isn't locales split? :) |
| 07:14.20 | apikoros | i run testing on my laptop; i am not a linux guru by any stretch, and it works very well |
| 07:14.30 | streuner | evilgeek: but time changes (/msg dpkg kingsley) |
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| 07:14.36 | cahoot | gejo_deb: err 32 bytes |
| 07:14.46 | nevyn | I run sid on my work desktop |
| 07:14.52 | Fox_1_ | is it ok that /etc/mail/mc and an other dir in /etc/mail/ -is empty? |
| 07:15.06 | liable | i wonder if this a 2.6.16 problemo |
| 07:15.06 | Fox_1_ | i have installed sendmail |
| 07:15.13 | plasmid | apikoros: can u shed some light as to why I get: Fatal Server error? it seems per the log ..no fontsets are installed?! |
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| 07:15.32 | evilgeek | streuner: i find that people are less likely to insult regulars when regulars aren't acting like jerks. |
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| 07:15.57 | plasmid | apikoros: also the fact that there are NO manuals to detect the horizontal and vertical frequency of this olde SHarp laptop. |
| 07:16.08 | tarzeau | evilgeek: is pointing to faqs acting like jerks? |
| 07:16.25 | evilgeek | tarzeau: only if the faq is irrelevant. |
| 07:16.26 | apikoros | plasmid: sorry if this is obvious, but have you tried just googling the model name and number with the word "linux" to see if anyone has a page with conf files? |
| 07:16.33 | streuner | evilgeek: ask yourself, when somebody come to #debian and asking about unstable, "I don't want waste bandwidth' - I don't know why there so many seperate package'... |
| 07:16.39 | danieltec | quit |
| 07:16.40 | nevyn | plasmid: a laptop with a crt/ |
| 07:17.11 | plasmid | apikoros: trying again... with the word "linux" |
| 07:17.21 | evilgeek | streuner: i was not trying to defend anything. i just don't like it when people act like jerks for no reason. |
| 07:17.42 | apikoros | evilgeek, etc., anyone care to run down what happened briefly? just curious. |
| 07:17.47 | evilgeek | streuner: it seemed like dak was asking questions about this in a bitchy tone. |
| 07:17.52 | streuner | evilgeek: well, if you want argue, argue then in that certain case... |
| 07:17.54 | evilgeek | apikoros: not really; it is a trivial matter. |
| 07:18.14 | apikoros | oh well. |
| 07:18.31 | plasmid | apikoros: this laptop seems to be very old. No results found on Sharp PC-R50 |
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| 07:18.46 | evilgeek | streuner: i have come here a few times, asked a simple question, and been greeted either with a concise answer (which is awesome) or a deflection (which is not) and accompanying insult (which is also not). |
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| 07:19.17 | stew | plasmid: its vertical refresh is 60 hz. however in a laptop you can often just omit the refresh rates from the monitor section and they'll be auto detected |
| 07:19.28 | stew | evilgeek: can you please take this discussion elsewhere? |
| 07:19.37 | evilgeek | stew: sure, i'll gladly shut up. |
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| 07:19.52 | SlayerXP | evilgeek: I always have a reason when behaving like a jerk. |
| 07:19.58 | plasmid | stew: what about the fonts missing? BTW, i am running testing=sid? |
| 07:20.07 | apikoros | testing is ethc |
| 07:20.10 | apikoros | er etch |
| 07:20.14 | nevyn | SlayerXP: even if it is you're having a bad day |
| 07:20.16 | stew | plasmid: what version of xserver-xorg do you have installed? |
| 07:20.18 | nevyn | plasmid: etch |
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| 07:20.30 | plasmid | stew: i am sorry.. i dont know. HOw do i find out? |
| 07:20.43 | stew | !wikifaq plasmid PackageManagement |
| 07:20.44 | dpkg | plasmid: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 07:20.44 | nevyn | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 07:20.44 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg 3.9-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:21.02 | apikoros | X -version |
| 07:21.02 | dak | evilgeek: i wasnt trying to be bitchy, i was just getting toyd with |
| 07:21.06 | l00pdee | before i go on a hunt, anyone know of a good POS for linux ? |
| 07:21.21 | nevyn | l00pdee: POS? |
| 07:21.29 | streuner | !pos |
| 07:21.29 | dpkg | i guess pos is defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 07:21.29 | dak | some people's ego's are too big |
| 07:21.32 | l00pdee | nevyn: point of sale |
| 07:21.40 | l00pdee | heh |
| 07:21.44 | Supaplex | !m-a is also too dumb to make distclean (imo) |
| 07:21.44 | dpkg | is: to compile and install also too dumb to make distclean (imo) for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i also too dumb to make distclean (imo) && modprobe also too dumb to make distclean (imo) ; if this works echo also too dumb to make distclean (imo) >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 07:21.47 | nevyn | l00pdee: you want full erp style functionality or mere cashbook stuff? |
| 07:21.57 | plasmid | nevyn: 6.9.0 |
| 07:21.57 | l00pdee | nevyn: the full thing |
| 07:22.14 | nevyn | I've been investigating tinyerp which I find quite neat.. but most of the ones I've seen have issues |
| 07:22.15 | plasmid | stew: 6.9.0 |
| 07:22.36 | stew | plasmid: install x-window-system-core |
| 07:22.37 | nevyn | l00pdee: tinyerp and compiere are the two contenders afaict |
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| 07:22.51 | l00pdee | nevyn: i'll check them out thanks |
| 07:23.02 | nevyn | l00pdee: tiny is cool and doesn't require oracle but the business model of tinycorp is a bit strange |
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| 07:23.22 | l00pdee | nevyn: do you use it to run a store? or to mess around with |
| 07:23.41 | plasmid | stew: installing.... :-) <--i believe that was missing. |
| 07:23.45 | nevyn | l00pdee: I've be |
| 07:23.54 | l00pdee | nevyn: HuH? |
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| 07:24.09 | nevyn | l00pdee: I'm still in the evaluation stage. |
| 07:24.10 | l00pdee | i dont think i ever seen characters like that in irc |
| 07:24.13 | l00pdee | oh |
| 07:24.14 | l00pdee | :) |
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| 07:24.43 | nevyn | l00pdee: but I want to get off sage line 50 it's a matter of finding the time documenting the processes etc. |
| 07:24.56 | nevyn | l00pdee: tiny has a couple of really cool features.. |
| 07:25.05 | nevyn | I'm a bit stuck on historic data handling tho. |
| 07:25.10 | plasmid | stew: when i type xorgconfig for this olde Sharp PC-R50.. what should I select for what my "monitor can do"? I mean..i really do not have horizontal/vertical refresh rates available. |
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| 07:25.28 | nevyn | most RDMS based systems have this screwed historical data handling |
| 07:25.42 | cafuego | streuner: you still awake? |
| 07:25.44 | l00pdee | historical data handling... hmmm |
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| 07:25.59 | streuner | cafuego: yes |
| 07:26.06 | cafuego | streuner: I'm told bob2 is fine. |
| 07:26.08 | plasmoduck_ | hey |
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| 07:26.15 | streuner | cafuego: thanks |
| 07:26.29 | plasmoduck_ | how do I stop debian from showing all the network activity on my console screen? |
| 07:26.32 | nevyn | cafuego: he was unwell? |
| 07:26.34 | plasmid | ok.. Failed for input device "Mouse1" ... how can I configure a laptop "mouse" the touchpad that is.. |
| 07:26.53 | plasmoduck_ | like IN = OUT=eth0 SRC=10.1.1.3 DST ect |
| 07:26.54 | cafuego | nevyn: Nobody knows! he's not been on here for 130+ days |
| 07:26.58 | nevyn | l00pdee: because they use relational database features... |
| 07:27.06 | stew | plasmid: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse ; /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 07:27.11 | nevyn | l00pdee: so customers.. are a table |
| 07:27.18 | Supaplex | !entertain us |
| 07:27.21 | nevyn | and they're linked to invoices by unique id |
| 07:27.40 | plasmid | stew: thank u.. :-) |
| 07:27.45 | plasmoduck_ | how do I setup my box so I can dialup to it for the net from my friends |
| 07:27.49 | nevyn | so if you have 100 invoices for a customer and they change addresses when you look at old invoices they have the ew address which is WRONG |
| 07:27.50 | l00pdee | nevyn: i got you, it seems alot of these systems only work one way, and its up to the user to figure out how |
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| 07:28.30 | blame | can anyone tell me how to configure my monitor's refresh rate to work at 85Hz, its @ 70Hz right now and its not pleasant (gnome) |
| 07:28.37 | l00pdee | should have multple addresses, or address history and link invoices with that |
| 07:28.43 | nevyn | l00pdee: somewhat there's a reason integration people charge a metric buttload for setup of these systems |
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| 07:29.04 | stew | !drxx blame |
| 07:29.04 | dpkg | blame: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:29.21 | l00pdee | nevyn: i know, the one im working with ( unfortunatly in windows) they dont even have import/export functions , have to call the mand pay them to do it |
| 07:29.30 | nevyn | l00pdee: what if the company changes name.. and how do you differenciate things that should be an update (typos' entry errors etc) |
| 07:29.35 | evilgeek | plasmoduck_: alt-sysrq-0 will make the kernel stop logging to the console. |
| 07:29.36 | nevyn | l00pdee: what are you working with? |
| 07:29.45 | l00pdee | nevyn: tri-tech AIMsi |
| 07:29.48 | evilgeek | plasmoduck_: though i believe there is a less hacked solution. |
| 07:29.48 | nevyn | l00pdee: I'm dealing with sage at the moment |
| 07:29.52 | l00pdee | nevin : www.aimsi.biz |
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| 07:30.22 | miki | whats the difference between xorg and xfree? |
| 07:30.52 | Supaplex | grrr. dpkg --info is trite usless as cat. |
| 07:31.08 | stew | miki: xorg is a recent fork of xfree. newer versions of xfree are no longer considered free by debian |
| 07:31.09 | nevyn | xfree86 changed their licence a while ago xorg is the fork. |
| 07:31.19 | miki | ah |
| 07:31.25 | nevyn | xorg is also the reference implementation |
| 07:31.27 | evilgeek | stew: they're not? |
| 07:31.43 | nevyn | and has shiny out of tree driver stuff now |
| 07:31.53 | miki | i got xfree86 kde installed, how can i change to xorg then? |
| 07:31.56 | stew | evilgeek: no, in fact almost no distros are willing to distribute it any longer |
| 07:32.12 | stew | miki: why do you want to change? |
| 07:32.22 | icebit | somebody use Stardict? |
| 07:32.25 | miki | dunno, xfree wont be updated |
| 07:32.34 | stew | miki: what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:32.39 | miki | 2.6.16.9 |
| 07:32.40 | evilgeek | stew: so i've noticed. i figured that was because of some political attachment to keith packard, though. |
| 07:32.49 | miki | its kernel.org kernel |
| 07:32.54 | icebit | what path to WyabdcRealPeopleTTS in Stardict? |
| 07:33.17 | miki | i got no reason to keep xfree86 anymore |
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| 07:33.27 | liable | miki: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 07:33.31 | stew | miki: which release of debian are you running? |
| 07:33.48 | Ex-Cyber | evilgeek: my understanding is that the license on some important XFree library files was changed to require giving credit in such a way that would theoretically make it GPL-incompatible |
| 07:33.57 | miki | relase? testing |
| 07:34.14 | miki | what do u mean by relase |
| 07:34.25 | stew | miki: that's what i meant. liable gave you the answer |
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| 07:35.19 | plasmid | stew: Thank u.. that did the trick. BTW, could u let me know what/how/where I can get an applet for GNOME that displays my battery status? |
| 07:35.36 | miki | k, then im forced to configure it, but how can i switch from xfree86 to xorg? |
| 07:36.09 | stew | plasmid: apt-cache search gnome battery |
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| 07:36.46 | stew | miki: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 07:36.51 | pagey | miki ,,synaptic |
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| 07:37.38 | evilgeek | Ex-Cyber: this seems like a rather trivial violation of debian policy; what is wrong with giving credit where credit is due? |
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| 07:38.02 | r3tex_ | what package installs support for asian fonts in X? |
| 07:38.04 | plasmid | stew: oh .. i c.. So whenever i need to search for something like that again i use apt-cache search .. |
| 07:38.56 | evilgeek | r3tex_: depends on the font, i believe. |
| 07:39.24 | r3tex_ | evilgeek: well, from what i understand, there are two official chinese fonts, but I just want mozilla and gaim to render them correctly |
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| 07:39.47 | Ex-Cyber | evilgeek: IIRC the problem was that GPL generally won't allow combining with licenses that have restrictions above and beyond what GPL has |
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| 07:40.12 | Ex-Cyber | evilgeek: but you could probably find all the gross details in the debian-legal archive |
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| 07:40.43 | phonics | this place calmed down yet? |
| 07:41.04 | liable | phonics: it rarely calms down :) |
| 07:41.24 | phonics | liable, i guess, with 774 in channel |
| 07:41.48 | phonics | anyone have experience with wpa_supplicant working fine with -d option, and failing with -B option? |
| 07:42.42 | plasmid | stew: how come the x-window-core was NOT part of the net install? it should have been. In any case, I really appreciate your help. I am NOT up and running and time to learn linux. |
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| 07:42.50 | evilgeek | r3tex_: my ex made me install chinese fonts. i installed xfonts-intl-chinese and she shut up. |
| 07:42.53 | liable | -d or -D? |
| 07:43.23 | evilgeek | r3tex_: i have no idea whether they are useful, however. |
| 07:43.27 | phonics | liable, -d (or -dd) for debug output, -B is for background |
| 07:43.37 | pritisd | hi liat........ |
| 07:43.48 | pritisd | s/liat/list |
| 07:43.56 | phonics | i went to #wireless, they just told me to get the CVS version :\ |
| 07:44.06 | liable | phonics: just making sure. how are you starting it? |
| 07:44.10 | sn00p | hello, i'm having a problem with my video card in X the screen is all messed up and I have a nvidia geforce 2 graphics card, I configured X right anybody know whats wrong? |
| 07:44.45 | stew | plasmid: becuase the netinstall only installs a base system to get you up and running. x servers are not part of a base system |
| 07:44.57 | phonics | liable: wpa_supplicant -Dwext -ieth1 -c/etc/wpa_supp.conf -d |
| 07:45.05 | pritisd | can anybody tell how to identify mbr partition? |
| 07:45.09 | plasmid | stew: so pretty much bare bones. |
| 07:45.23 | phonics | liable: I'm running with latest devel version, still happening |
| 07:45.26 | evilgeek | plasmid: feh, X is for wimps =) |
| 07:45.32 | stew | plasmid: the mbr is the first 512 bytes, it isn't a partition |
| 07:45.46 | plasmid | evilgeek: err.. yes. I am a wimp according to your definition. |
| 07:45.47 | stew | pritisd: ^^^ |
| 07:46.00 | liable | phonics: so without -d it fails? |
| 07:46.08 | sn00p | hello, i'm having a problem with my video card in X the screen is all messed up and I have a nvidia geforce 2 graphics card, I configured X right anybody know whats wrong? |
| 07:46.28 | pritisd | stew: I've multiple debian sys installed.......... |
| 07:46.43 | phonics | liable: yeah... makes no sense. If it's in debug, I can call wpa_cli status and see it doing fine, even dhclient and get an IP and surf around :) |
| 07:46.52 | evilgeek | (i've spent most of tonight trying to get X to work after i botched an upgrade, so i'm slightly annoyed with it.) |
| 07:46.53 | pritisd | only one with mbr installation and others as pertition installation........... |
| 07:47.02 | phonics | liable: but running normally, with -B.. .no dice. |
| 07:47.20 | liable | phonics: what debian version you running? |
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| 07:47.49 | pritisd | stew: are you getting my que????????/ |
| 07:47.50 | entuall | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:48.01 | stew | que? |
| 07:48.05 | liable | phonics: it changed a bit in the last version |
| 07:48.09 | phonics | liable: that's kinda tricky :) sid, last time i did an upgrade was like 2 mo ago |
| 07:48.18 | liable | phonics: check the changelog maybe |
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| 07:48.29 | phonics | liable: but I know about the change, I know with 0.4.8 it isn't a daemon anymore |
| 07:48.35 | liable | phonics: /etc/init.d/wpasupp doesnt exist anymore |
| 07:48.36 | stew | pritisd: the only question you asked so far was how to identify your mbr partition. and there is no such then, the mbr is the first 512 bytes of a drive |
| 07:48.41 | pritisd | stew: how to identify debian system installed as MBR? |
| 07:48.50 | liable | phonics: right |
| 07:49.09 | stew | pritisd: try to identify which drive has an mbr? |
| 07:49.10 | phonics | liable: I know, that one threw me for a loop when I upgraded, but it was BARELY working for me before that anyway |
| 07:49.31 | phonics | liable: I'm guessig you're running it? |
| 07:49.45 | pritisd | stew: is it practicle to check for 10s of partition for it? |
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| 07:50.00 | stew | pritisd: for what? |
| 07:50.03 | evilgeek | trippy, i got it to work. |
| 07:50.21 | liable | phonics: yeah, and i just have a couple o lines in interfaces and point it to my old .conf |
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| 07:50.43 | pritisd | stew: this is what I've been doing so far................but I want the simplest way to do that and I am sure there must be........... |
| 07:50.52 | stew | pritisd: /msg dpkg ep |
| 07:50.59 | phonics | liable: not to be a pest, but can I see your .conf and your interfaces file? |
| 07:51.02 | pritisd | stew: what is it? |
| 07:51.08 | liable | phonics: /j #flood |
| 07:51.12 | Fox_1_ | as i understand in debian sarge i must change only sendmail.conf file for configure sendmail, then run sendmailconfig. am i right? |
| 07:51.20 | stew | !tell pritisd about ep |
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| 07:51.52 | pritisd | stew: ok. |
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| 07:54.44 | phonics | liable: your conf is WAY simpler than mine |
| 07:54.57 | liable | phonics: it works :) |
| 07:55.00 | phonics | liable: what version are you running? |
| 07:55.18 | phonics | liable: actually, i think that might be the problem with mine! :O |
| 07:55.23 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 07:55.27 | liable | phonics: 0.4.8-3 |
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| 07:56.10 | phonics | brb (i wish i didn't have to work tomorrow!) |
| 07:56.44 | Supaplex | it's 2am here |
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| 07:57.35 | plasmid | stew: do u know a site or otherwise that gives different sounds for GNOME? like for example..login sounds.. etc. |
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| 07:58.30 | usrlocal | hello |
| 07:58.50 | usrlocal | i have a dumb question, but how do you install a file.deb please ? :) |
| 07:58.57 | jm_ | man dpkg |
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| 07:59.03 | sticky | dpkg -i <file.deb> |
| 07:59.22 | usrlocal | with dpkg , easy thank you jm_ |
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| 08:00.15 | stew | plasmid: dunno |
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| 08:00.49 | CAiRO | is gnome 2.14 in unstable? |
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| 08:01.14 | r3tex_ | CAiRO: it's even in testicle |
| 08:01.15 | r3tex_ | testing |
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| 08:01.21 | CAiRO | oh, nice |
| 08:01.24 | r3tex_ | yeah |
| 08:01.30 | CAiRO | :) |
| 08:01.37 | cheal | CAiRO: only partially |
| 08:01.53 | r3tex | yeah _some_ of the parts are held back |
| 08:02.06 | r3tex | but all the good ones are updated ;) |
| 08:02.35 | CAiRO | ok, great, thanks for the info |
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| 08:03.13 | hjubal | hi |
| 08:03.54 | alekibango | helo, anyone knows why could be my loopback network interface named '?_' instead of 'lo' ? (and thererefore not initialized to be 127.0.0.1, visible only when i do ifconfig -a) |
| 08:03.55 | Stevie | 250 Stevie |
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| 08:05.05 | amo-ej1 | is it possible to get a package that is still in the 'new' list ? (http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ) |
| 08:05.30 | cheal | amo-ej1: not really |
| 08:05.46 | EruditeHermit | !reinstall |
| 08:05.47 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 08:05.49 | neoxan | whats the easiest way to build a package? |
| 08:05.51 | neoxan | :) |
| 08:06.01 | neoxan | is there a guy? ;P |
| 08:06.04 | neoxan | *gui |
| 08:06.06 | neoxan | lol |
| 08:06.24 | alekibango | lol |
| 08:06.39 | alekibango | 700+ guys |
| 08:07.06 | neoxan | :) |
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| 08:07.16 | alekibango | neoxan: there are few ways |
| 08:07.27 | alekibango | it depends on where you got your source from |
| 08:07.29 | Supaplex | neoxan: man apt-get |
| 08:07.38 | Supaplex | neoxan: and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:07.51 | neoxan | i will have a look, thanks |
| 08:08.06 | stew | alekibango: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 08:08.14 | phonics | liable: omfg, it's working as a daemon |
| 08:08.19 | alekibango | Stew sid |
| 08:08.27 | stew | alekibango: do you run udev? |
| 08:08.30 | alekibango | initramfs, udev |
| 08:08.34 | liable | phonics: cool |
| 08:08.35 | phonics | liable: THANKS! your configs make my day |
| 08:08.43 | alekibango | is it udev? |
| 08:08.48 | alekibango | that little b* |
| 08:08.53 | stew | alekibango: udev just got ifrenaming capabilities with the last upload, i wouldn't be suprised if there were bugs with it |
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| 08:09.05 | Supaplex | bugs? never |
| 08:09.07 | alekibango | stew: was that you ? :) |
| 08:09.09 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 08:09.17 | cnwilley | Hello everybody |
| 08:09.21 | alekibango | i upgraded to latest udev |
| 08:09.24 | liable | phonics: check the docs, it reasonably well explained. and it can do more cool stuff now with action scripts (which i havent bothered with yet) |
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| 08:09.31 | alekibango | and then back (there was some nasty bug) |
| 08:09.35 | cnwilley | i am trying to host a site to authenticate users. I want to host it with some SSL enabled pages and some without SSL pages. How do I do that? |
| 08:09.44 | alekibango | so now i have udev 0.089-1 |
| 08:09.55 | cnwilley | Can anybody please help me with this? |
| 08:10.21 | alekibango | cnwilley: using apache? web pages? |
| 08:10.23 | alekibango | mod-ssl |
| 08:10.30 | alekibango | use apache2 |
| 08:10.31 | alekibango | :) |
| 08:10.42 | alekibango | there are good howtos on apache2 or mod-ssl pages |
| 08:11.53 | phonics | liable: OH SNAP! it's working with ifup now too! |
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| 08:12.12 | phonics | liable: dude, you made my week. |
| 08:12.22 | cnwilley | Only 1 of them works at q time. Like I can only host 'http' if ssl is disabled. id enabled i can only host 'https' pages. I am using Debian Sarge 3.1, Apache2 and Openssl |
| 08:12.42 | Supaplex | phonics: no problem. that'll be $277. |
| 08:12.46 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 08:12.49 | liable | phonics: heh, thats how its supposed to work now :) glad you got it sorted |
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| 08:14.19 | alekibango | ifconfig '?_' 127.0.0.1 => fun |
| 08:14.42 | phonics | Supaplex: hey, I get paid to work on free software, i can dig it |
| 08:14.46 | alekibango | ty stew i will investigate |
| 08:15.03 | stew | alekibango: look for ?_ in /etc/udev/* and fix it |
| 08:15.12 | stew | alekibango: and /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 08:15.18 | alekibango | yes, ty |
| 08:15.35 | alekibango | i know the drill, lol |
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| 08:16.17 | efaistos | hi |
| 08:16.31 | efaistos | why fetchmail is not in testing anymore ? |
| 08:16.45 | cnwilley | alekibango: I am using apache2 with mod_ssl/Openssl. I want apache to host both type of pages. User should be automatically redirected from http to https. |
| 08:16.47 | Supaplex | efaistos: check p.d.o |
| 08:16.54 | liable | !why is fetchmail not in esting |
| 08:16.54 | dpkg | liable: what are you talking about? |
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| 08:17.02 | liable | !why is fetchmail not in etch |
| 08:17.02 | dpkg | liable: what are you talking about? |
| 08:17.12 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 08:17.12 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 08:17.14 | efaistos | Supaplex: p.d.o ? |
| 08:17.14 | alekibango | cnwilley: this imho is a bad channel to ask this... you should prolly look in #apache for answers or read howto |
| 08:17.16 | stew | !why is fetchmail not in testing |
| 08:17.16 | dpkg | fetchmail is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=fetchmail |
| 08:17.17 | sep | !why is fetchmail not in testing |
| 08:17.42 | alekibango | cnwilley: try googling, there are howtos out there |
| 08:17.47 | liable | sep: ta :) |
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| 08:19.06 | efaistos | someone in testing ? I have a problem with my X server ... The screen gos just black and I can't do anything even back to console is impossible ... don't know what to do ? |
| 08:19.09 | efaistos | :' |
| 08:19.09 | efaistos | :'( |
| 08:19.12 | unfo | Hi all, how do I get a right click in konsole or in GNU Screen(1) to cause a dictionary lookup in dict(1) or wordtrans in a new screen or in an X Window tooltip? |
| 08:19.22 | unfo | efaistos: can you ssh in? |
| 08:19.37 | sep | efaistos, does ctrl+alt+backspace do anything ? |
| 08:20.04 | cnwilley | alekibango: My problem is i can have 1 of them working at 1 time. http dont work iff ssl is enabled and if ssl is disabled https doesn't work. I've tried googling, didn't work. Tried #apache channel but no1 replied :( |
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| 08:20.42 | alekibango | cnwilley: i always solve this by googling :) |
| 08:20.43 | sep | cnwilley, i add listen 443 to ports.conf. |
| 08:20.48 | alekibango | yes :) |
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| 08:21.29 | alekibango | cnwilley: you have to configure it well, and there really are some howtos... you should read them + apache docs to know apache... its a wild man... |
| 08:21.40 | efaistos | sep: no nothing ... |
| 08:21.45 | sep | cnwilley, and i add a single site in sites-available from the ssl example in the /usr/share/doc/apache2 examples |
| 08:21.48 | cnwilley | sep: i've both 80 and 443 in ports.conf and iguess it is no harm to have both, am I right? |
| 08:21.58 | alekibango | right |
| 08:22.01 | efaistos | unfo: didnt try it since i didnt have another computer available ... |
| 08:22.10 | liable | cnwilley: you need to add a vitual host on :443 |
| 08:22.20 | sep | cnwilley, and i add :80 on the regular sites and :443 on the ssl site |
| 08:22.30 | alekibango | yes, thats it, liable, ty for help, my head is dark still |
| 08:22.34 | sep | cnwilley, you need both |
| 08:22.38 | cnwilley | alekibango: ok buddy, will try that |
| 08:22.40 | efaistos | is there a problem with the xserver-xorg package ? |
| 08:22.52 | alekibango | efaistos: which kind? |
| 08:22.57 | streuner | efaistos: what does BTS say? |
| 08:23.08 | wendyk | I recently installed Debian testing and I would like to play a CD. However, i get this error from the program: Failed to setup audio outputl please install a GStreamer plugin for your soundcard. |
| 08:23.10 | efaistos | alekibango: i cant start X on my computer ... |
| 08:23.14 | unfo | efaistos: what happens when you hold Control+Alt+F1 for 1 sec then do Ctrl+Alt+Delete? |
| 08:23.16 | liable | efaistos: can you be a little more vague? i almost understood |
| 08:23.18 | alekibango | efaistos: nvidia ? |
| 08:23.18 | wendyk | I have sound..because i can hear GNOME startup sounds. |
| 08:23.19 | efaistos | it worked well since an update |
| 08:23.31 | efaistos | unfo: nothing i already tried that |
| 08:23.32 | sep | <VirtualHost *:80> on normal sites <VirtualHost fqdn:443> (fqdn = domain you have in your certificates) |
| 08:23.35 | unfo | MatBoy: why share? :) |
| 08:23.38 | streuner | !tell MatBoy about away |
| 08:23.38 | efaistos | alekibango: ati |
| 08:23.46 | liable | MatBoy: turn that off, otherwise you lose |
| 08:23.52 | alekibango | efaistos: closed drivers selected in xorg.conf ? |
| 08:23.53 | streuner | wendyk: esd |
| 08:24.00 | MatBoy | unfo: because didn't know another way to be back :) |
| 08:24.00 | sep | cnwilley, and in the default site only i start with NameVirtualHost *:80 (not in the others)' |
| 08:24.06 | efaistos | alekibango: no the free ones |
| 08:24.12 | wendyk | streuner, I am sorry i am new... so i dont know what u mean. |
| 08:24.13 | epsilon | if you enable 443, don't forget to to setup SSL |
| 08:24.34 | alekibango | efaistos: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should help imho |
| 08:24.36 | unfo | MatBoy: why announce away and back at all? |
| 08:24.36 | wendyk | streuner, I am comfortable using apt-get ...so far. :-) |
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| 08:24.41 | streuner | wendyk: esd is the sound-daemon of GNOME, but that doesn't mean OSS or ALSA is working |
| 08:24.42 | efaistos | alekibango: i stopped to use the closed ones since it crashed my box everytime i tried |
| 08:24.47 | alekibango | hehe |
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| 08:24.55 | efaistos | alekibango: already tried ... |
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| 08:24.57 | MatBoy | unfo: Kirc does not work that nice at all.... |
| 08:24.59 | alekibango | yes, thats problem with the proprietary software |
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| 08:25.11 | wendyk | streuner, so... i have to install Alsa too? |
| 08:25.19 | cnwilley | sep: ok, i'll try ur guidelines. Hope it'will solve my problem. :) |
| 08:25.21 | unfo | "install" Alsa? |
| 08:25.21 | alekibango | i hate nvidia for the same reason... its not much better |
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| 08:25.23 | MatBoy | unfo: Do you make a problem of everything ? |
| 08:25.24 | efaistos | alekibango: i know but apparently the nvidia ones are better ... so i gonna change my card |
| 08:25.34 | liable | MatBoy: so get a client that doesnt suck. :) |
| 08:25.42 | sep | cnwilley, if something dont work, the logs usualy hint to whats wrong |
| 08:25.43 | alekibango | efaistos: nvidia wants to be 'leader in trusted computing' |
| 08:25.44 | unfo | MatBoy: you're in a channel with over seven hundred people. |
| 08:25.44 | streuner | wendyk: turn off sound-daemon in gnome-control-center and /msg dpkg sound |
| 08:25.52 | MatBoy | liable: I want tu use xchat again :) |
| 08:25.54 | alekibango | so please try looking for openhardware vendor |
| 08:26.02 | efaistos | alekibango: which one ? |
| 08:26.03 | MatBoy | unfo: And you are the only one that complains ;) |
| 08:26.11 | alekibango | efaistos: hmm hack your own : ) lol |
| 08:26.14 | unfo | MatBoy: it's best not to say more than is necessary in a busy channel. |
| 08:26.16 | efaistos | alekibango: :) |
| 08:26.17 | cnwilley | sep: ya, i do read'em. |
| 08:26.24 | MatBoy | unfo: Shut up than :p |
| 08:26.31 | liable | MatBoy: anyway, if an op sees away messages, you will prolly get +q or b, so turn it off. |
| 08:26.37 | unfo | MatBoy: ? |
| 08:26.52 | efaistos | so the xserver-xorg package works fine in testing ? |
| 08:27.06 | MatBoy | liable: Yeah I have to check out what happened here... I posted it to the NickServ :( |
| 08:27.07 | streuner | !topicsmite efaistos |
| 08:27.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon efaistos. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:27.19 | streuner | efaistos: read the fine /topic and read BTS |
| 08:28.20 | liable | MatBoy: nickserv has nothing to do with it. its a client setting. |
| 08:28.39 | sep | cnwilley, cacert.org is nice for certificates unless you are wealthy |
| 08:29.04 | MatBoy | liable: I have to check that out... Kirc really sucks there |
| 08:29.14 | unfo | if you are wealthy definitely go with Network Solutions. |
| 08:29.33 | JB318 | Are there RSS feeds of any of the Debian mailing lists? Particularly interested in d-devel-announce ATM |
| 08:29.55 | efaistos | what can i use instead of fetchmail to get my mail , |
| 08:30.08 | liable | guinness time! bbl :) |
| 08:30.09 | Supaplex | efaistos: a mail client |
| 08:30.20 | Supaplex | efaistos: man forward :) |
| 08:30.23 | unfo | !beer liable |
| 08:30.23 | streuner | efaistos: sylpheed, mutt? |
| 08:30.33 | efaistos | Supaplex: I'm using mutt with procmail and fetchmail but is not in testing anymore |
| 08:30.34 | alekibango | MatBoy: try those irc clients: kvirc, konversation |
| 08:30.39 | unfo | xchat |
| 08:30.42 | unfo | irssi |
| 08:30.42 | alekibango | yes |
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| 08:30.56 | unfo | any good one is fine. |
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| 08:31.03 | sep | efaistos, grab a earlier fetchmail package from snapshots then |
| 08:31.03 | alekibango | konversation is kde version of xchat, kvirc is bloated, but funny.. |
| 08:31.03 | efaistos | MatBoy: irssi rulez :) |
| 08:31.18 | alekibango | efaistos: i am unable to use irssi :) |
| 08:31.27 | MatBoy | alekibango: Thnx... be banned from PHP already :( |
| 08:31.31 | Supaplex | !start an irc client war |
| 08:31.31 | dpkg | ScrollZ owns |
| 08:31.38 | efaistos | alekibango: why ? |
| 08:31.56 | unfo | alekibango: why not? |
| 08:31.59 | alekibango | efaistos: it asks me something in statusline and my answer is going into the room |
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| 08:32.07 | Fox_1_ | people i want to uninstall sendmail-base, but when i write apt-get remove sendmail-base it want to uninstall mysql-server too, but i need it. How to uninstall only sendmail's all packages? |
| 08:32.15 | alekibango | and i cannot remember how to get list of users on channel, lol |
| 08:32.23 | unfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.40 | alekibango | unfo: keyword is 'remember' |
| 08:32.45 | alekibango | my head is full of *** |
| 08:32.46 | jm_ | names IRC command will return list of users |
| 08:32.46 | alekibango | :) |
| 08:33.20 | wendyk | does anyone know how to fix my application CD-Player? I can play CD's fine with XMSS but not with CD-Player? I get drive error and needs gstreamer or something along those lines. |
| 08:33.25 | Supaplex | jm_: I've wanted to know that ever since I ditched BX |
| 08:33.53 | jm_ | Supaplex: why? most IRC clients have a command to show it, /cscan /scan ... |
| 08:33.58 | unfo | wendyk: which drive error? |
| 08:34.02 | jm_ | or just /names |
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| 08:34.14 | Supaplex | jm_: I think I was using /lv or something. I forget it's been so long :) |
| 08:34.30 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 08:34.30 | alekibango | for now i am using konversation, but i am not happy with it... xchat was good (for less then 20 channels) |
| 08:34.30 | jm_ | Supaplex: BX has /sc AFAIK |
| 08:34.51 | wendyk | unfo: failed to set up audio output; please install a GStreamer plugin for your soundcard. |
| 08:34.53 | alekibango | those irc clients all have scalability issues :) |
| 08:35.07 | efaistos | alekibango: irssi is really great ... you should try to learn it a little bit more :) |
| 08:35.36 | unfo | wendyk: so use xmms :) |
| 08:35.36 | alekibango | efaistos: maybe i should :) i learned vim for 10 years, now its time for irssi... lol |
| 08:35.50 | unfo | wendyk: or amarok or juk ; they're great. |
| 08:35.59 | wendyk | unfo, i guess so... but such a simple application should work :-) |
| 08:36.10 | wendyk | unfo, how do I uninstall CD-player then from GNOME? |
| 08:36.11 | efaistos | alekibango: yeap ... |
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| 08:36.39 | unfo | wendyk: there is definitely a way to make it work.. but it's probably not worth the effort unless you have other sound issues. :) |
| 08:36.54 | unfo | wendyk: have you ever used apt-get or bash? |
| 08:36.55 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, im't trying to install woody using the two first diskettes, but when I inserted the root diskette I got this ouput: Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 02:00 |
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| 08:37.03 | wendyk | unfo, no.. no sound issues. :-) Is amarok for KDE? |
| 08:37.12 | wendyk | unfo, i just started using apt-get and bash :-) |
| 08:37.23 | unfo | amarok is for kde. |
| 08:37.36 | unfo | so is juk. are you better with synaptic? |
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| 08:37.45 | sanmarcos | is glib fixed in unstable yet? |
| 08:37.51 | wendyk | unfo, my laptop is too old to take KDE..so I use GNOME instead. |
| 08:38.04 | alekibango | sanmarcos: not for all apps |
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| 08:38.10 | alekibango | read topis, sanmarcos |
| 08:38.19 | wendyk | unfo, is there a tool i can use to automatically scan or look at packages installed:? and select the one I dont want? |
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| 08:38.34 | menko | sanmarcos: for the apps I use that had the problem(galculator and gconf-editor), it has been fixed |
| 08:38.41 | unfo | wendyk: synaptic |
| 08:38.48 | sanmarcos | menko: irssi has problems |
| 08:38.58 | sanmarcos | menko: G_SLICE=allow_malloc fixes it though |
| 08:39.09 | sanmarcos | s/allow/always |
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| 08:41.17 | whisky | hi ive just installed postfix and its working fine, just wondering what else i need, well i want to retrieve webmail what do you recommend |
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| 08:42.14 | MatBoy | liable, I'm using xchat again :) wow, great again ! |
| 08:43.04 | fm | whisky, you need an imap server(couorier) and a webmail software(squirrelmail). |
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| 08:45.24 | whisky | fm which apt shud i install courier-imap or just courier-base |
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| 08:46.27 | ^Duffy^ | Hi all, I just installed courier-* and postfix using apt .. now I get this error in mail.log, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/678443 |
| 08:46.29 | tsh | hello |
| 08:46.31 | fm | whisky, courier-imap is depended on courier-base. |
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| 08:49.21 | toresbe | hey guys |
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| 08:51.00 | wireddd | I need to patch the vanilla 2.6.16.9 kernel source for debian right? |
| 08:51.03 | toresbe | I've got a question about GNU tar - is there an option that causes it to use the ASCII user names in stead of the numeric UIDs? |
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| 08:51.37 | toresbe | I see no mention of it in the man page, but I could've sworn that it had that capability. |
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| 08:52.43 | wendyk | i need a good GNOME graphical FTP browser? |
| 08:52.47 | wendyk | any recommendations? |
| 08:52.56 | wireddd | gftp? |
| 08:53.03 | jm_ | toresbe: isn't that used by default? |
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| 08:53.20 | toresbe | jm_: No, by default, tar uses the numeric user IDs. |
| 08:53.33 | jm_ | toresbe: so why does it have --numeric-owner switch then? |
| 08:53.55 | toresbe | Hmm, IÃ've got a case of "UNIX geezer", don't I. |
| 08:54.08 | toresbe | "But 4.3BSD doesn't do it that way! Does not compute!" |
| 08:54.10 | jm_ | I can see it using username/groupname just fine in tar file |
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| 08:55.13 | miki | some old (for 2.2.x kernel) HOWTO tells me to enable ISSE in my config, but i dont see it in 2.6.x, is it enabled there by default? |
| 08:55.38 | toresbe | jm_: Oh, thank you very much, then. |
| 08:55.59 | toresbe | Have a nice day all. |
| 08:56.00 | toresbe | -wc |
| 08:56.02 | toresbe | oops |
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| 08:57.10 | sanmarcos | anyobdy have experience with autofs? |
| 08:57.31 | jm_ | yes |
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| 08:58.34 | Readon | how to repair my debian system, without format it? |
| 08:59.14 | sanmarcos | jm_: any ideas why it isnt mounting my removable usb key? |
| 08:59.26 | sanmarcos | jm_: master: /var/autofs/removable /etc/auto.removable --timeout=2 |
| 08:59.41 | sanmarcos | jm_: /etc/auto.removable yepp -fstype=vfat,rw :/dev/sda1 |
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| 08:59.49 | sanmarcos | I have hotplug, and the autofs service started |
| 08:59.53 | sanmarcos | autofs4 module loaded |
| 09:00.04 | sanmarcos | mount shows automount(pid762) on /var/autofs/removable type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=762,minproto=2,maxproto=4) |
| 09:00.14 | kartik | Readon, what is broken? |
| 09:00.15 | sanmarcos | still, my yepp entry (/dev/sda1) isnt auto mounted |
| 09:01.31 | Readon | kartik, the disk is moved to another computer |
| 09:01.39 | erudified | argh, what's the deal with userdir cgi execution in testing? |
| 09:01.47 | erudified | what happened to suexec...? |
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| 09:02.05 | kartik | Readon, oh |
| 09:02.23 | Readon | kartik, any idea? |
| 09:02.31 | pinky | Does anyone know of a FOSS audio app for GNU/Linux that can interface with the USB-based MBox? |
| 09:02.44 | sanmarcos | jm_: I am lost |
| 09:02.47 | kartik | Readon, no.. |
| 09:02.56 | sanmarcos | pinky: mbox? |
| 09:02.57 | pinky | Or if perhaps Pro Tools can be run in WINE with an MBox? |
| 09:02.58 | erudified | alright, found suexec |
| 09:03.19 | pinky | sanmarcos: http://www.digidesign.com/products/mbox/ |
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| 09:03.55 | pinky | The default application to use with the MBox is Pro Tools, also made by DigiDesign. |
| 09:04.04 | jm_ | sanmarcos: wait a sec, need to write an email |
| 09:04.06 | pinky | I'd just like to not have to dual-boot because of this one program. |
| 09:04.13 | sanmarcos | jm_: sure |
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| 09:05.07 | pinky | I was just wondering if others had success getting Pro Tools working in WINE or perhaps (the preferred solution) a FOSS app existed (Ardour?) which can communicate directly with the MBox. |
| 09:05.11 | Readon | some files was very important for us, so in want to reinstall system without format the disk |
| 09:05.30 | wendyk | when starting gxine for the first time, it tells me i dont have permission to use the CD-ROM? It also recommends that I get MIT xv... not sure what that means. |
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| 09:06.16 | Readon | could i only reinstall my base system? |
| 09:06.17 | jm_ | sanmarcos: what is in auto.removable? |
| 09:06.36 | sanmarcos | yepp -fstype=vfat,rw :/dev/sda1 |
| 09:07.11 | jm_ | sanmarcos: please prefix messages for me with jm_ - how are you accessing it then? |
| 09:07.27 | kartik | Readon, are you able to login? |
| 09:07.28 | sanmarcos | how am I accessing what? |
| 09:08.23 | sanmarcos | jm_: /var/autofs/removable |
| 09:08.23 | jm_ | sanmarcos: should be /var/autofs/removable/yepp |
| 09:08.23 | sanmarcos | jm_: nothing in that dir that is the problem |
| 09:08.23 | wendyk | is there a way to find out what my cdrom device is? /dev/? |
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| 09:08.34 | jm_ | sanmarcos: did kernel detect your drive at all? |
| 09:08.48 | sanmarcos | jm_: yes, I can mount it with mount fine |
| 09:08.52 | jm_ | wendyk: of course there is a way |
| 09:08.57 | jm_ | sanmarcos: which device? |
| 09:09.02 | sanmarcos | jm_: shows up in my logs as a scsi emulated drive |
| 09:09.16 | Readon | kartik, i could boot from cdrom and chroot to original system |
| 09:09.28 | wendyk | just setting up gxine. I am not sure if i should put /dev/cdrom or not |
| 09:09.41 | sanmarcos | jm_: I suspect /dev/scsi1 |
| 09:09.42 | kartik | hi, why my debian etch not allowing me to use Internet (ppp) as normal user.. well, i have added it to dialup group! |
| 09:09.44 | wendyk | wendyk, this laptop does not have a dvd drive. |
| 09:10.10 | kartik | Readon, you can reinstall grub and try |
| 09:10.11 | jm_ | sanmarcos: which device do you use when mounting it by hand? |
| 09:10.15 | sanmarcos | jm_: no, I do not know what is the dev file for my usb drive, I know the device for the hd in it |
| 09:10.26 | jm_ | sanmarcos: check /proc/partitions |
| 09:10.31 | sanmarcos | /dev/sda1 is the usb drives partition jm_ |
| 09:10.48 | Readon | grub is ok for system, it boot up and said kernel panic |
| 09:10.54 | sanmarcos | jm_: yeah, sda, sda1 |
| 09:11.05 | Readon | kartik, grub is ok for system, it boot up and said kernel panic |
| 09:11.14 | jm_ | sanmarcos: what does it say when you try cd /var/autofs/removable/yepp ? |
| 09:11.31 | sanmarcos | jm_: no dir named "yepp" exists |
| 09:11.35 | kartik | Readon, oh |
| 09:11.38 | jm_ | sanmarcos: please try it |
| 09:11.48 | sanmarcos | jm_: oh! |
| 09:11.51 | jm_ | sanmarcos: :P |
| 09:11.58 | sanmarcos | jm_: ls /var/autofs/removable/ didnt show it! |
| 09:12.07 | jm_ | sanmarcos: yes, that's normal |
| 09:12.16 | jm_ | it's not shown until it mounts it |
| 09:12.18 | sanmarcos | well, it had me insulting autofs ! |
| 09:12.37 | sanmarcos | jm_: ok, so just mount it by accesing it with cd? |
| 09:12.53 | jm_ | sanmarcos: well cd, or ls /var/autofs/removable/yepp or ... |
| 09:13.30 | plasmoduck | whats a good channel for dsl modem support? |
| 09:13.38 | Readon | kartik, i think debian is base on module for hw, why it is response like that? |
| 09:14.15 | sanmarcos | jm_: thanks! |
| 09:14.16 | kartik | Readon, yes - installed kernel depends upon hw |
| 09:14.24 | wendyk | if i do a an apt-cache search checkinstall and nothing comes up..does this mean i have to compile checkinstall from source? |
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| 09:15.57 | Readon | would i reinstall kernel from apt-get? |
| 09:16.09 | Readon | kartik, would i reinstall kernel from apt-get? |
| 09:16.26 | kartik | Readon, try ! |
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| 09:17.04 | Diazepam | guys does debian etch still install gnome by default? |
| 09:17.53 | nkuttler | Diazepam: by default it doesn't even install x |
| 09:18.26 | nkuttler | Diazepam: just don't install the desktop task or what it is called |
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| 09:21.01 | `ns` | then you can install X and a light desktop, rather than gnome or kde, Diazepam :) |
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| 09:21.23 | Knight_Lord | Is there anything horribly broken in sid at the moment? |
| 09:21.33 | toresbe | The Linux kernel ;) |
| 09:21.35 | azeem | Knight_Lord: see topic |
| 09:21.39 | Knight_Lord | Are there any known problems with nfs client? I'm getting very weird time outs |
| 09:21.53 | Knight_Lord | toresbe what's wrong witht he kernel? |
| 09:22.14 | Knight_Lord | azeem i see that it says beware unstable but what's the problem exactly? |
| 09:22.21 | toresbe | Knight_Lord: Quite a lot of things, but it isn't broken by your definition. It works ;) |
| 09:22.27 | azeem | Knight_Lord: eh, there's an URL after that |
| 09:22.39 | toresbe | I've another question - is there some application that would read for example 10 lines and output 1? |
| 09:22.52 | azeem | toresbe: head? |
| 09:23.00 | kartik | Diazepam, yes |
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| 09:23.09 | toresbe | azeem: No, I mean, like output every n lines |
| 09:23.09 | azeem | toresbe: maybe you should rephrase your question |
| 09:23.09 | Knight_Lord | grep? |
| 09:23.15 | `ns` | and you could check the word 'unstable' at dictionary.com too ;) |
| 09:23.28 | toresbe | Knight_Lord: How would grep help me? |
| 09:23.30 | azeem | toresbe: awk or perl can do that trivially |
| 09:23.33 | azeem | I guess |
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| 09:23.44 | Knight_Lord | `ns` i'm perfectly aware of what unstable is i've running for several years |
| 09:23.49 | toresbe | azeem: Ah, great, problem is -- I don't know awk or perl :) |
| 09:24.14 | Knight_Lord | toresbe but what do you want to do exactly? |
| 09:24.17 | azeem | toresbe: I don't know about such a program off the top of my head |
| 09:24.19 | kartik | I am wondering, I had lots of problem with etch - how people can manage to have unstable running! |
| 09:24.19 | miki | im running etch, but i need to install few packages from unstable, how can i do that? :O |
| 09:24.22 | Knight_Lord | toresbe grep can output 1 line sometimes |
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| 09:24.40 | miki | nvm |
| 09:24.46 | azeem | toresbe: your use-case looks obscure enough not to warrant an extra program, given that you can do it in a perl one-liner |
| 09:24.47 | kartik | miki, which packages |
| 09:24.49 | Knight_Lord | miki you can download them by hand and dpkg -i to them but it's not really recommended |
| 09:24.50 | azeem | maybe even shell |
| 09:24.54 | toresbe | Knight_Lord: My problem is - I want to use verbose output on tar, but the I/O to the terminal is significantly slowing it down |
| 09:25.02 | azeem | toresbe: eh |
| 09:25.09 | azeem | toresbe: redirect it to a file? |
| 09:25.11 | kartik | Knight_Lord, I think this is only way at moment? |
| 09:25.15 | Knight_Lord | toresbe so why you redirect |
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| 09:25.22 | toresbe | so therefore, I thought - let's just output every 10 lines, so I can see that it's alive |
| 09:25.34 | jm_ | sed can output every n-th line |
| 09:25.39 | toresbe | jm_: How? |
| 09:26.09 | Knight_Lord | toresbe redirect and tail -f on the output file? |
| 09:26.27 | toresbe | Knight_Lord: ..huh? Doesn't that defeat the point entirely? |
| 09:26.43 | Knight_Lord | toresbe i doubt because the redirect is gonna be buffered |
| 09:27.22 | Knight_Lord | toresbe and anyway this seems like a complicated solution to something you can solve with ps or even top |
| 09:27.27 | jm_ | toresbe: info sed -> sed Programs -> Addresses will tell you about the relevant GNU extension, in addition to that, -n switch and 'p' command will be what you'll use |
| 09:27.42 | toresbe | okay |
| 09:27.47 | toresbe | yeah, Knight_Lord I guess you're right |
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| 09:31.32 | ndee | hello guys, I got a new setup of a dedicated server. It has two SATA harddisks and he asks me if he should set them up as software raid or not, what would you guys suggest? |
| 09:31.56 | SlayerXP | ndee: not. if you need raid, get a proper raid controller. |
| 09:32.03 | ndee | SlayerXP: ok |
| 09:32.27 | saloxin | ndee: i'd say yes - software raid 1 - if you can sacrifice a disk |
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| 09:34.30 | jind | Rhytmbox in gnome here refuses to start playback of mp3 files even though I have located an gst-streamer mp3 plugin and have rerun gst-register-0.8. Sound in other applications like juk works. Any advice? |
| 09:34.54 | ndee | actually, my opinion is also to not do it because it costs CPU performance |
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| 09:35.41 | petemc | ndee: i find software raid to be fine |
| 09:36.34 | jind | I once read a test beween an dedicated raid controller card and software raid in linux, and software raid was actually faster even though as ndee said it did cost some more cpu |
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| 09:36.54 | petemc | cpu cycles are cheap.. |
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| 09:38.11 | knt | does anybody have postgresql installed on his/her stable debian box? (I need to try a small extreme case for a bug report.) |
| 09:38.24 | petemc | knt: i do |
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| 09:39.00 | Knight_Lord | software raid is not faster than the good RAID cards, but many times you can use more disks with software raid than with hardware, and by doing so increasing your perfomance in things like raid5 reading |
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| 09:40.46 | wendyk | does anyone use ATI here? i seem to be missing something from debian net install that fglrx complains about: libstdc++5.so ?? |
| 09:41.23 | jm_ | Debian has libstdc++5 |
| 09:41.23 | miki | so install it |
| 09:41.32 | wendyk | i do not know how. |
| 09:41.49 | wendyk | i know how to use apt-get though. |
| 09:42.27 | knt | petemc: what "pg_config | grep thread" says? |
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| 10:02.05 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone has any good idea why my desktop keep on freezing on iowait? |
| 10:02.44 | Knight_Lord | My home is on NFS and i keep on getting the cannot connect to NFS server problems, but the server is fine as i can access my home just fine from other computers |
| 10:02.50 | Knight_Lord | I'm using 2.6.12.1 |
| 10:03.00 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'd like to write a script that would reset my ipw2200 interface. For the moment I only do "rmmod ipw2200; insmod ipw2200" but it doesn't work as I have no more DHCP. What else would I need ? I'm using ifplugd also |
| 10:03.18 | Fox_1_ | can postfix work with Maildir(with new ... cur ... directory)???? |
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| 10:03.35 | Knight_Lord | lord_rob if you want to get a new network address you need to ifup the network card |
| 10:04.03 | streuner | !maildir |
| 10:04.04 | dpkg | a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by qmail and supported by mutt; see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html or k-rad, or runs you out of inodes when you have more than 60,000 mails, or Linux doesn't have 16-bit inode numbers, duh DJB's one good idea. supported by postfix, exim etc. and several final delivery / filtering programs such as maildrop and procmail as well as imap servers including courier-imap, dovecot or cyrus. |
| 10:04.25 | lord_rob | Knight_Lord: so insmod ipw2200; ifup eth1 ? |
| 10:04.37 | Knight_Lord | lord_rob probably |
| 10:04.53 | Fox_1_ | and how can i do it? |
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| 10:06.23 | lord_rob | ok thanks Knight_Lord let's try |
| 10:07.27 | streuner | Fox_1_: http://www.postfix.org/faq.html |
| 10:07.52 | Fox_1_ | streuner, :) i'm reading that now :) |
| 10:08.16 | streuner | /etc/postfix/main.cf: home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
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| 10:08.28 | erudified | okay, I'm using Apache 1.3, I have /var/www/images, it appears when browsing http://localhost/ but I try to access it and I get no such directory |
| 10:08.33 | erudified | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 10:08.45 | erudified | it's chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/ |
| 10:09.53 | ^Duffy^ | anyone have experience with Postfix here? It wont work, and I cant find anything on google |
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| 10:10.41 | streuner | !nickometer ^Duffy^ |
| 10:10.44 | dpkg | '^Duffy^' is 26.000% lame, streuner |
| 10:11.01 | ^Duffy^ | http://pastebin.com/678443 <-- the error |
| 10:11.01 | streuner | ^Duffy^: workaround.org has an HOWTO |
| 10:11.07 | ^Duffy^ | I used that howto |
| 10:11.13 | ^Duffy^ | ;) |
| 10:11.18 | azeem | streuner: using nickometer is lame |
| 10:12.01 | streuner | azeem: well, i hate to use that too, but using ^ in his nick is more lame, even you want to type this ;-) |
| 10:12.12 | erudified | do any of you know what the deal is with apache? |
| 10:12.41 | azeem | streuner: ok, but I think we should point that out in written english to people |
| 10:13.09 | azeem | that might actually make them think about it, rather than being pissed off for being dissed on their choice of nick |
| 10:13.19 | azeem | anyway, that's IMHO |
| 10:13.23 | streuner | azeem: i cannot hardly remember someone, who don't unterstood the meaning of nickometer |
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| 10:14.02 | azeem | personally, I think nickometer is quite a rude way to get the point across |
| 10:14.02 | streuner | s/don't unterstood/didn't unterstand/ |
| 10:14.25 | Zugschlus | !nickometer Zugschlus |
| 10:14.27 | dpkg | 'Zugschlus' is 0.000% lame, zugschlus |
| 10:14.32 | Zugschlus | very well |
| 10:15.00 | streuner | azeem: nobody was pissed off in the past of nickometer |
| 10:15.31 | streuner | some people asked about it, but they unterstand very quick |
| 10:15.32 | liable | azeem: agreed, but you actually believe people care whether we think its annoying? sometimes larting them actually works better. |
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| 10:15.48 | ^Duffy^ | streuner: Im sorry you dont like my nick, but does anyone know of any solution to my problem? |
| 10:16.20 | streuner | its hard to debug postfix problems |
| 10:16.35 | streuner | that's NOT trivial |
| 10:16.56 | azeem | liable: maybe, but I prefer to ask nicely first |
| 10:17.06 | azeem | I understand that this is not the majority's opinion |
| 10:17.13 | liable | ^Duffy^: its not your nick, its the fact that it makes people have to hit shift + ^ to nicktab you, which is really quite annoying. dont be surprised when less people want to help you because of this fact.. |
| 10:17.52 | nstensen | better? ;) |
| 10:17.58 | streuner | thanks |
| 10:17.59 | liable | yes, thankyou |
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| 10:18.26 | nstensen | so, is there any solution for this? |
| 10:19.32 | azeem | nstensen: did postfix work for you earlier? |
| 10:19.39 | azeem | (and why don't you use exim4?) |
| 10:19.42 | RvGaTe | good morning/afternoon people ! |
| 10:20.10 | nstensen | azeem: I was recomended to use the guide at workaround |
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| 10:20.45 | Zugschlus | azeem: no mail server debugs trivially. Mail is a complex matter. |
| 10:21.18 | nstensen | I've had it working before, but this is a new installation |
| 10:21.26 | nstensen | on a new server ... |
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| 10:21.47 | Inkvisitor | which wireless PCI card with the new MIMO technology works in linux ? |
| 10:21.59 | azeem | nstensen: so this is a complex mail setup for several/many users? |
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| 10:23.10 | nstensen | azeem: it is going to host around 300 email accounts |
| 10:23.17 | azeem | ok |
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| 10:23.42 | nstensen | if I can get it online :( |
| 10:24.34 | aristide | hi |
| 10:24.41 | azeem | nstensen: probably there are not many postfix wizard in here right now, maybe ask your question again in a couple of hours |
| 10:25.03 | nstensen | ok, you are a exim guru yourself ?;) |
| 10:25.10 | azeem | no |
| 10:25.20 | azeem | I never setup a mail server for more than myself, really |
| 10:25.36 | nstensen | k. |
| 10:25.36 | azeem | but there are some people in here who know exim quite well |
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| 10:26.47 | streuner | nstensen: look at the debian site for an consulant |
| 10:26.48 | Zugschlus | nstensen: if you intend to run e-mail for 300 people, better try becoming an expert |
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| 10:26.59 | streuner | or that |
| 10:27.02 | Zugschlus | and learn how to help yourself |
| 10:27.10 | aristide | I installed debian etch with the netinstall iso. some days ago I messed up my /etc/apt/sources.list adding some unofficial repository to install a couple of packages. after that I did a # apt-get dist-upgrade but now I have some things messed up...I get rid of the unofficial repositories in my sources.list but how can I revert back to a "simple" etch box? thanks to everyone that can help me :-) |
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| 10:28.27 | nstensen | Zugschlus: Im setting it up for myself and some friends for now, but when I get to know the system, we are probably moving company emails onto it as well |
| 10:29.04 | nstensen | this is the first problem I've encountered since I started using debian that I cant find the solution to on google |
| 10:29.07 | stoned | how does one cat only the first few lines of a file? |
| 10:29.16 | SaneEnglishMonk | stoned: head |
| 10:29.17 | azeem | stoned: head |
| 10:29.17 | stoned | I know tail is used for last whatever many lines |
| 10:29.19 | stoned | ahh |
| 10:29.24 | stoned | i shoulda geussed |
| 10:29.25 | Zugschlus | why do people always google for the problem instead of trying to understand what happens? |
| 10:29.26 | stoned | thanks |
| 10:29.39 | nstensen | Zugschlus: because I cant figure it out |
| 10:30.03 | Zugschlus | I could help you with exim, but i have never used postfix |
| 10:30.06 | Zugschlus | *shrug* |
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| 10:30.34 | nstensen | well, is it hard to make exim work with a mysql database? |
| 10:30.35 | azeem | nstensen: did you see whether there is a #postfix chan maybe? |
| 10:30.39 | Zugschlus | nstensen: no |
| 10:31.01 | nstensen | azeem: yes, I've tried to get help there since early this morning |
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| 10:31.33 | Zugschlus | nstensen: MTA channels are usually quiet, but the mailing lists tend to be quite helpful |
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| 10:31.50 | Zugschlus | Cause is that mail is considerably complex and it is hard to describe a problem or give a solution in chat media |
| 10:32.09 | sep | nstensen, i'm using the walkthru on walkaround successfully. what exactly dont work ? |
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| 10:32.51 | nstensen | sep: http://pastebin.com/678443 |
| 10:33.43 | liable | !be a mail barbie |
| 10:33.44 | dpkg | Aww, mail is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 10:33.45 | liable | wtf |
| 10:33.50 | liable | ah :) |
| 10:34.15 | liable | mail *is* hard, for something so many take for granted :) |
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| 10:35.22 | sep | nstensen, and that's an email destined for your postfix virtual user ? i have never seen anything like that, sorry. |
| 10:35.33 | sep | you must have errored somewhere in the walkthru : |
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| 10:36.15 | sep | nstensen, try disabeling non essential things and test for each step. ie greylisting and amavis. |
| 10:36.17 | kimo | guys, anyone used egroupware?? What's your impression! |
| 10:36.24 | sep | first get it to delive to real users. then to virtual |
| 10:36.43 | sep | nstensen, then gerylisting and amavis then ssl test for each step |
| 10:37.00 | RvGaTe | How can i trace the traffic on each machine in the network if my server is in the network itself... currently i only trace traffic trough the router, becouse i didn't find a solution.. yet |
| 10:37.27 | nstensen | sep: I havent enabled amavis/spamassassin yet ... |
| 10:38.36 | sep | RvGaTe, trace the path of the packets ? that's difficult since each packet may take a different path. |
| 10:38.58 | RvGaTe | sep: more the package size... |
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| 10:39.25 | RvGaTe | sep: currently i have this: http://pc.rvgate.nl/ |
| 10:39.43 | RvGaTe | sep: wich only shows traffic on my router (thats all machines togetter) |
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| 10:40.13 | sep | RvGaTe, you get that from the interface counters or ? |
| 10:40.26 | RvGaTe | snmp yeah |
| 10:41.02 | sep | RvGaTe, you need to sniff the traffic before the router. either use a hub or a passive ethernet tap. then you can use whateveerl you want to summarize the data thruput. i use ipfm |
| 10:41.24 | sep | RvGaTe, either that. or you have to read the counters of each computer. (for that i'd use munin) |
| 10:41.34 | Faithful | where can I get a current netboot installer? |
| 10:41.41 | sep | RvGaTe, if the router is a linux you can ru ipfm on the niternal interface |
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| 10:42.19 | RvGaTe | sep: router is us-robotics (just a home-networking thingy), and all the clients in the network are windows, except this server |
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| 10:43.02 | _gass_ | hello there |
| 10:43.20 | _gass_ | can anyone tell me the channel for debian's translations? |
| 10:43.54 | sep | RvGaTe, that a snipping linux with ipfm is the easiest i think. the next easiest would be a managed switch and use mrtg or cricet to read the niterface counters on the switch and map switchport to computer. the third would be installing snmp on all windows and query all windowses interface counters |
| 10:44.00 | c459s | I notice that exim4 is installed by default in my sarge distribution. If I want to disable this program completely, what is the proper manner to deactivate it? Stop exim4 from init.d and then do "update-rc.d -f exim4 remove"? |
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| 10:44.17 | Zugschlus | c459s: you need an MTA |
| 10:44.29 | sep | RvGaTe, or perhaps there is a windows tool that could do that and report the data like munin for windows. bur i have no idea if that exsist |
| 10:44.33 | Inkvisitor | anyone know a wireless PCI card that works in linux? |
| 10:44.42 | c459s | Zugschlus, why? |
| 10:44.48 | kartik | why my debian etch not allowing me to use Internet (ppp) as normal user.. well, i have added it to dialup group! so, I can connect as normal user.. |
| 10:44.51 | liable | c459s: you can remove it, but you will not get local mail, which is a bad thing .. |
| 10:44.55 | streuner | Inkvistor: look at the topic of #wireless |
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| 10:44.57 | Zugschlus | c459s: because processes running on the local host will want to send you e-mail |
| 10:45.00 | RvGaTe | sep: alright, ill look into it, thx |
| 10:45.10 | kartik | but can't surf/chat/access other computer! |
| 10:45.12 | c459s | zugschlus, hmmm |
| 10:45.14 | sep | c459s, you can replace exim with a ligther local only or smarthost only MTA if you want |
| 10:45.48 | Zugschlus | but actually, exim4-light is the lightest sensible solution for the majory of cases |
| 10:46.00 | liable | Inkvisitor: google, this aint a debian thing.. |
| 10:46.28 | c459s | thanks guys, I will see if I can configure exim4 in a secure way instead then. |
| 10:46.57 | Fox_1_ | how can i say postfix that it every time make new file for a new mail? |
| 10:47.07 | sep | c459s, it's not listening to interfaces by defailt iirc |
| 10:47.10 | liable | c459s: just set it for local mail only, then forget about it.. |
| 10:47.27 | c459s | okay thanks :) |
| 10:47.31 | sep | Fox, you mean how can i get postfix to delive to a maildir style storage ? |
| 10:47.34 | Fox_1_ | it store all mail in one file, i don't need that |
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| 10:48.14 | liable | kartik: huh? more info. |
| 10:48.19 | Fox_1_ | sep, yes, but home_mailbox didn't work, and i use mysql with postfix |
| 10:48.26 | sep | Fox_1_, it's in the FAQ but since im kind... http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#maildir |
| 10:48.45 | sep | Fox_1_, you mean for virtual users |
| 10:48.48 | jm_ | kartik: perhaps it isn't forwarding connections then |
| 10:48.57 | Fox_1_ | postfix get maildir from mysql |
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| 10:49.01 | Fox_1_ | sep, yes |
| 10:49.05 | sep | Fox_1_, virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail |
| 10:49.11 | liable | kartik: did the user log out since being added to dialup?? |
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| 10:49.43 | Fox_1_ | sep, vmail? what's that? |
| 10:50.44 | sep | Fox_1_, just a random place where you put email for virtual users |
| 10:50.51 | kartik | liable, yes |
| 10:51.01 | Fox_1_ | sep, but it write all mails in one file |
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| 10:52.02 | liable | kartik: then supply more infos |
| 10:52.07 | kartik | liable, it is strange that I can conenct to my phone but when I start firefox and surf - it can't connect! |
| 10:52.21 | kartik | liable, I have added user to dialout |
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| 10:52.25 | sep | Fox_1_, Maildir style delivery is turned on by terminating the mailbox pathname with "/". |
| 10:52.25 | tuv | i used to use the in-kernel ipw2200 without a problem until i replaced my laptop's HD to a newer 7200RPM one. now ipw2200 freezes the machine!! any explanation/similar experiences? |
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| 10:52.28 | liable | kartik: ifconfig route outputs |
| 10:52.40 | sep | Fox_1_, in your query to the database |
| 10:52.58 | _gass_ | anybody knows where to find information about .pot file's estructure |
| 10:52.59 | _gass_ | ? |
| 10:53.18 | Fox_1_ | sep, i don,t understand |
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| 10:53.48 | kartik | liable, oh, my that pc at home :-( |
| 10:54.22 | Fox_1_ | sep, what must be in database table? |
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| 10:54.25 | tarzeau | someone a sed/awk guru? i have these two files http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/photos/debconf/ddpo_maintainers2 and http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/photos/debconf/number-name |
| 10:54.32 | sep | Fox_1_, you query the sql thru a file called somethnig like mysql-virtual_mailboxes.cf ? |
| 10:54.33 | tarzeau | and i want a list of emailname + jpgfile |
| 10:54.34 | quitte | tuv: propably those aren#t related. |
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| 10:54.47 | Fox_1_ | sep, yes |
| 10:54.52 | sep | select_field = CONCAT(SUBSTRING_INDEX(email,'@',-1),'/',SUBSTRING_INDEX(email,'@',1),'/') (not the final / ) |
| 10:55.03 | sep | the / after the boxname makes it maildir |
| 10:55.32 | jm_ | tarzeau: where's the connection? |
| 10:55.44 | tarzeau | jm_: the real name |
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| 10:56.11 | jm_ | tarzeau: yes, but I mean what jpgfile? |
| 10:56.19 | tuv | quitte, you mean it's not ipw2200 that's causing the problem? well i tried disabling many things. the only thing that resulted in no freezes was disabling ipw2200. i even tried disabling smartd and ntpd but still the problem showed up |
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| 10:56.43 | tarzeau | jm_: ah http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/photos/debconf/ these |
| 10:57.00 | tarzeau | jm_: these are the ones from the debconf group photo |
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| 10:57.19 | jm_ | tarzeau: but do you need ddpo_maintainers2 file at all? |
| 10:57.25 | quitte | tuv: no. i mean that the problem wasn't caused by switching the hdd. did you make a exact copy of your old system and are you using the very same kernel and no other modifications? |
| 10:57.32 | adamk | I'm hoping for some help. I've done a dist-upgrade in Debian, and am now running Xorg 7.0... Since then, the flashplugin (nonfree) won't display any fonts. Any ideas? |
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| 10:57.49 | tarzeau | jm_: for the realneam to email address connection? |
| 10:58.00 | tarzeau | jm_: basically i want to rename all n.jpg to email.jpg |
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| 10:58.46 | looijest | Hi, I'm here at work, connecting to my home debian server, and using a program on that server with X forwarding. Is there a way I can logoff here, but keep that program running on my server, and view the screen again from my home desktop? |
| 10:59.04 | woodland | hey, i am using xchat here. does anybody know which language it was written in |
| 10:59.26 | jm_ | tarzeau: ok, I would simply read this file in an array and then rename them if they exist in it |
| 10:59.33 | tuv | quitte, well.. it's not an exact image copy, but as far as i can tell there is no difference, except for probably newer packages released in the mean time as i'm using testing. i'm using the exact debian kernel (2.6.15-1-686) |
| 10:59.40 | quitte | woodland: apt-get source xchat |
| 10:59.48 | woodland | quitte: ok |
| 11:00.18 | Edward_TLS | who got raidutils to work on a debian machine... ? |
| 11:00.21 | tuv | quitte, but i'm installing exactly the same packages, if not a subset.. |
| 11:00.22 | streuner | woodland: 1.8.9 was written in c, i don't think 'zed' used something different in 2.6 |
| 11:00.34 | Edward_TLS | I can't get my Adaptec 2120S to work.. |
| 11:00.40 | woodland | streuner: ok |
| 11:00.47 | Edward_TLS | need monitoring of the mirror from linux |
| 11:00.57 | tarzeau | jm_: but how do i get to the email address from the realname from the number? |
| 11:01.15 | tarzeau | does someone have a 12x12 dragon picture? |
| 11:01.27 | woodland | i just installed one game called 'koth' but i cant find it anywhere, though my system shows that its installed |
| 11:01.40 | aristide | I installed debian etch with the netinstall iso. some days ago I messed up my /etc/apt/sources.list adding some unofficial repository to install a couple of packages. after that I did a # apt-get dist-upgrade but now I have some things messed up...I get rid of the unofficial repositories in my sources.list but how can I revert back to a "simple" etch box? thanks to everyone that can help me :-) |
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| 11:01.42 | quitte | tuv: Version of that kernel in sid is -3. so again: are you sure you are using the same kernel? as it is already clear that you are not using the same system. |
| 11:01.53 | jm_ | tarzeau: well you'd have emails[real name]=email |
| 11:02.11 | tarzeau | jm_: yeah that's easy with awk. i hoped someone does it for me :) |
| 11:02.11 | tuv | quitte, my kernel has always been from testing |
| 11:02.29 | Gnea | woodland: /usr/games/ perhaps? |
| 11:02.37 | woodland | Gnea: ok |
| 11:03.39 | quitte | tuv: testing is not frozen or anything. stuff from sid moves there,you know? all i'm saying is: you have a problem and your moving the hdd is completely not related as you have a completely different system now. even if the packages installed might be a similar selection |
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| 11:04.51 | freeaq | anyone knows in what package crypt is? |
| 11:05.05 | woodland | i am not able to join #python. it asks me to be idenntified |
| 11:05.15 | tuv | quitte, i agree that packages might have changed versions, but if testing still has 2.6.15-1-686 as the latest kernel then it couldn't have had another 2.6.15 any other time and i'm pretty sure i've been using 2.6.15 from testing. now is there any other thing that could introduce a kernel module instability? |
| 11:05.20 | streuner | woodland: /msg nickserv help |
| 11:05.52 | quitte | tuv apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 11:05.54 | streuner | and register your nick |
| 11:06.05 | woodland | streuner: i have registered my nick. |
| 11:06.08 | quitte | tuv: Version: 2.6.15-3 |
| 11:06.11 | quitte | see? |
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| 11:06.23 | joefso3 | hi |
| 11:06.28 | streuner | woodland: /msg nickserv identify <your password> |
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| 11:06.50 | joefso3 | What version of gnome is in unstable? |
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| 11:07.03 | streuner | !info gnome-session |
| 11:07.06 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 482 kB, Installed size: 2296 kB |
| 11:07.14 | woodland | streuner: i didnt set up any password when i created account, but now its asking me some password, what to do |
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| 11:07.31 | streuner | woodland: register with password? |
| 11:07.48 | mixter | hi! i've got a usb-disk with ntfs (it's more than 32 GB so FAT32 won't work). will the partition work with read/write on a vanilla installation of sarge? |
| 11:07.59 | tuv | quitte, where did you see this -3 version? i have: Version: 2.6.15-8 |
| 11:08.00 | woodland | streuner: no, i didnt registered with any password |
| 11:08.05 | jethro | woodland: you can't register without a password |
| 11:08.18 | woodland | jethro: maybe i forgot it |
| 11:08.45 | jind | I have two computers in network and one has a working printer. And that computer has cups installed with the ip adresses to the other computer in it's "allowed" zone. But on the other computer, when I set up printing over the network, do I then supply it with the ipadresse to the computer with the printer and enter the printer type, or do I use a generic driver and let the printerdriver on the computer with the printer render the page to the printer? |
| 11:08.46 | joefso3 | streuner also vor amd64? |
| 11:09.02 | jind | Please advise, I really need this printer accessible from the network |
| 11:09.09 | woodland | jethro: how do i reset my password |
| 11:09.20 | jethro | woodland: /m nickserv help |
| 11:09.27 | tuv | quitte, hmm.. so you think i'm using a newer kernel than the one i used to use? |
| 11:09.29 | streuner | joefso3: #debian-amd64 |
| 11:09.53 | quitte | tuv: yes. |
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| 11:10.27 | quitte | tuv: but im not sure if that is the problem. i just wanted you to know that your system now is in no way the same as the one on your old disk. |
| 11:11.16 | streuner | joefso3: if you can't, ask in #freenode |
| 11:11.24 | quitte | and sid has -3. dont understand how it could be -8 in testing |
| 11:11.53 | jm_ | tarzeau: let me see |
| 11:12.02 | tuv | quitte, where can i look for in-kernel ipw2200 modules bugs? linux-image package? |
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| 11:12.32 | quitte | tuv: bugs.debian.org maybe. or google. |
| 11:13.06 | tuv | quitte, i meant in which package in bugs.debian.org |
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| 11:13.55 | quitte | tuv: you could try linux-2.6 |
| 11:14.19 | afd_ | hi! I'm looking for an ftp server that has basic scripting support (basically, call a program with describing the operation that was done as its parameters). Any pointers? |
| 11:14.47 | afd_ | I've looked at the pureftpd, proftpd, wuftpd websites, but no clues |
| 11:14.59 | tarzeau | jm_: my darling :) |
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| 11:16.20 | woodland | i seem to have lost password for my nick, so i cant do anything without it. what should i do |
| 11:16.33 | streuner | joefso3: if you can't, ask in #freenode |
| 11:16.38 | blondie | woodland: choose a new nick ;) |
| 11:16.47 | streuner | woodland: ^^^^ |
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| 11:16.59 | streuner | ask in #freenode |
| 11:17.05 | woodland | ok |
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| 11:19.36 | tuv | quitte, hmmm... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348782 |
| 11:19.39 | c459s | guys, if I want to get the rails package (rubyonrails) from etch on my sarge system. How do I best do this without breaking my system? |
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| 11:23.28 | quitte | tuv: yep. looks mostly like your problem |
| 11:23.50 | tuv | quitte, except mine is not on boot |
| 11:25.01 | liable | !irritate jethro |
| 11:25.01 | dpkg | jethro: wenas who uses dvd lol |
| 11:25.17 | liable | jethro: hi. wb. :) |
| 11:25.22 | n0cturnal_ | anyone aware of a linux multi-threading app for downloading the same file from several mirrors? |
| 11:25.26 | jethro | liable: hello, and thank you :) |
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| 11:25.30 | tarzeau | n0cturnal_: no |
| 11:25.39 | Fox_1_ | sep, listen maildir work, thanks for that. But now when i want to sent message to, for example kikos@yahoo.com(it my email), it write "...Relay access denied....". |
| 11:25.57 | tuv | quitte, i'll probably install a newer ipw2200 version manually.. what a shame!! |
| 11:26.26 | tuv | quitte, you know before ipw2200 got in the kenrel it was much easier to upgrade |
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| 11:27.28 | TetsuyO | I installed debian etch with the netinstall iso. some days ago I messed up my /etc/apt/sources.list adding some unofficial repository to install a couple of packages. after that I did a # apt-get dist-upgrade but now I have some things messed up...I get rid of the unofficial repositories in my sources.list but how can I revert back to a "simple" etch box? thanks to everyone that can help me :-) |
| 11:27.37 | Fox_1_ | sep, listen maildir work, thanks for that. But now when i want to sent message to, for example kikos@yahoo.com(it my email), it write "...Relay access denied....". |
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| 11:28.19 | Silliman | Hey, is there and way to show CPU temp in the console? |
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| 11:28.53 | sep | Fox_1_, sounds like you messed up so that postfix dont think it's the local for the domain anymore |
| 11:29.20 | Fox_1_ | yes |
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| 11:29.50 | miki | i installed xorg 6.9 over xfree86, can i remove xfree now ? |
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| 11:30.46 | Fox_1_ | sep, i want that postfix check the username password and then send the message to anywhere |
| 11:31.03 | narma | hello, I want to have a boot splash so I have installed splashy, but when I test 'splashy test' I have this error : "DirectFBError [DirectFBCreate (&video->dfb)]: Not supported!" |
| 11:31.16 | narma | how can I acitvate directFB ? |
| 11:31.20 | jm_ | tarzeau: can I use Perl? |
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| 11:32.06 | tarzeau | jm_: yes it'll just be used once |
| 11:32.40 | miki | can i remove xfree86 somehow? |
| 11:33.11 | miki | im getting conflicts with xorg, some drivers are using xfree instead of xorg as their destination |
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| 11:45.52 | tarzeau | how can i make browser show a pictre on mosue hover a link? |
| 11:46.14 | Silliman | CSS |
| 11:46.26 | Silliman | join #css |
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| 11:46.59 | Gnea | Silliman: go for it |
| 11:47.10 | c459s | guys, if I want to get the rails package (rubyonrails) from etch on my sarge system. How do I best do this without breaking my system? |
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| 11:49.54 | Bear_DK | if I do an 'apt-get install emacs21' it also wants to install XFree. How do I avoid this? I just run in console |
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| 11:50.13 | jm_ | you can't and it only installs xlibs |
| 11:50.32 | RichiH | *cough* vim *cough* |
| 11:50.36 | RichiH | ;) |
| 11:50.38 | Dreamlogi | hehe |
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| 11:51.34 | vin` | Bear_DK: try emacs21-nox instead. |
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| 12:02.29 | Bear_DK | vin`: thanks btw. vim... argh! |
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| 12:08.50 | crazy_penguin | hi everybody! |
| 12:09.05 | crazy_penguin | with what command can i list the running services? |
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| 12:10.41 | dark_mind-br | crazy_penguin: ps?? |
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| 12:11.06 | crazy_penguin | there is no such command like chkconfig? |
| 12:11.40 | cahoot | crazy_penguin: lsof -i might be what you want, or netstat -plunt |
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| 12:12.12 | crazy_penguin | thx |
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| 12:14.55 | arunkumaran | will a celeron 330 Mhz system with 320 MB ram support a grahical debian |
| 12:15.52 | victor | sure, with 128 ram you can play kde, gnome etc |
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| 12:17.26 | arunkumaran | victor:so there is no prob in going for Sarge |
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| 12:18.40 | neko_ | hi ! |
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| 12:18.56 | neko_ | how could i mount a mac hfs+ partition on linux |
| 12:19.05 | victor | with 320 mb ram you can run xserver very well in sarge |
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| 12:19.21 | neko_ | mount -t hfs /dev/somdevice don't give any result |
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| 12:19.46 | godmachine81 | arunkumaran: 330 mhz and 320mb is plenty enough for a GUI |
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| 12:20.16 | arunkumaran | thanx |
| 12:20.24 | godmachine81 | i use to have a PII 233 with 96 mb ram on a laptop.. and i was running rh back then.. it ran very smoothly.. one of my most enjoyable installs actually |
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| 12:20.49 | victor | and you can install other windows managers like icewm, it's no necesary kde or gnome |
| 12:21.19 | godmachine81 | icewm, enlightenment, blackbox, fluxbox, etc |
| 12:21.27 | victor | yes, yes godmachine |
| 12:21.29 | arunkumaran | so there is no probs in goin for Debian sarge |
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| 12:21.45 | godmachine81 | no sarge is the stable release arunkumaran |
| 12:21.59 | wilson | vamos ver |
| 12:22.11 | godmachine81 | im not having any problems with "etch" right now and its only testing... |
| 12:22.20 | wilson | otario |
| 12:22.36 | wilson | viado |
| 12:22.40 | arunkumaran | so is etch the next version |
| 12:22.40 | wilson | #se#S\>4 JG.V;JTNB |
| 12:22.42 | wilson | TENBT |
| 12:22.42 | wilson | T |
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| 12:22.45 | godmachine81 | arunkumaran: yes |
| 12:23.20 | sfollo81 | hallo, does somebody know something about Asterisk? i'm new on IRC and i don't know if this is the right channel.. thanx |
| 12:23.24 | cahoot | obviously no relation to mwilson |
| 12:23.35 | arunkumaran | should i go for sarge r the new one |
| 12:23.43 | godmachine81 | #asterisk sfollo81 |
| 12:23.49 | arunkumaran | i hav only a little experience wid linux |
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| 12:24.20 | sfollo81 | yes, the software PBX |
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| 12:24.24 | kaouete | hi |
| 12:24.40 | godmachine81 | arunkumaran: my good advise for you being new.. would be get use to Ubuntu or Mepis.. then migrate to debian after that.. a lot of people will disagree. but ubuntu is a little easier to learn for newbies and its jjust as powerful |
| 12:25.15 | godmachine81 | arunkumaran: a lot of people in here that disagree with that standpoint are like myself, they were using linux before they had that option, so they'd like to see newbies learn the way we had to |
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| 12:25.26 | victor | i have little experience too and i have Debian Sarge without problem.... it's more easy that the people think |
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| 12:25.49 | arunkumaran | i am using FC1 |
| 12:25.55 | godmachine81 | 1? |
| 12:26.01 | godmachine81 | why one? |
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| 12:26.33 | Trev1 | Good Morning ! |
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| 12:26.40 | godmachine81 | good morning Trev1 |
| 12:26.47 | miki | hello, i got problem: 'debian/rules:1637' when im trying to compile kernel with make-kpkg |
| 12:27.12 | arunkumaran | its not that i dintwant to upgrade |
| 12:27.23 | arunkumaran | its the only one i had access to |
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| 12:28.26 | godmachine81 | fedora 1 is pretty old now tho |
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| 12:28.27 | arunkumaran | ya...is old |
| 12:28.34 | arunkumaran | so wanna jump onto debian |
| 12:28.40 | godmachine81 | dont blame ya |
| 12:28.40 | Woo_Hoi | where is mummy? |
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| 12:29.00 | narma | hello, I have the kernel 2.6.15-486 from debian etch but I can't find vesafb module. How an I load it? |
| 12:29.02 | fluxdude | refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers |
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| 12:29.11 | fluxdude | on boot I get this message regarding a nonexistent disk hdg, which hangs the boot for a while before it continues, it's not in fstab, does anybody know how to stop it trying to find this nonexistent disk? |
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| 12:29.33 | godmachine81 | RH based distros are alright for business's because of the support they give, well they use to, now they don't do it the same.. other than that the package management of rpm doesnt equal shit compaired to apt |
| 12:29.35 | SlayerXP | flux: add hdg=none to your boot parameters |
| 12:30.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:30.15 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:30.24 | jeff_hann | -? |
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| 12:31.24 | fluxdude | SlayerXP: thanks, thought it would be something like this, I just don't know why it's looking for it in the first place, I recon a guy put it in as a boot param (lilo) |
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| 12:32.24 | miki | is there anything like debian bugzilla? |
| 12:32.32 | azeem | !bts |
| 12:32.33 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 12:33.48 | miki | damn, my bug aint there |
| 12:34.32 | azeem | miki: file it then |
| 12:34.56 | miki | file it? |
| 12:35.03 | azeem | report it, I mean |
| 12:35.17 | miki | i think that someone already did |
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| 12:35.27 | azeem | miki: you just said it is not there? |
| 12:35.35 | miki | cuz its not there |
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| 12:36.00 | miki | but when i type error message on google, only one guy got it |
| 12:36.04 | azeem | you seem to be issueing contradictory statements |
| 12:36.06 | miki | he asked on like 50 sites |
| 12:36.28 | miki | and he wrote that he will send bug |
| 12:36.28 | azeem | maybe he didn't |
| 12:36.28 | miki | info |
| 12:36.39 | miki | i know how to solve it, but thats by downgrading my components |
| 12:36.54 | miki | its problem with make-kpkg and gcc-4.0 |
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| 12:37.48 | [hicken | hello, is this chat channel friendly to niggers such as myself? |
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| 12:38.11 | [hicken | hello, is this chat channel friendly to niggers such as myself? |
| 12:38.18 | miki | yes very, were all niggers |
| 12:38.20 | miki | not good bye |
| 12:38.22 | miki | now |
| 12:38.38 | [hicken | huh? |
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| 12:38.49 | [hicken | are you a member of the nigger friendly chat channel commission? |
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| 12:39.11 | miki | good bye! |
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| 12:42.26 | User900 | Know anyone replacement of HotSaNIC ? |
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| 12:43.32 | Fox_1_ | people i have configure postfix with sasl. sasl must get passwords from mysql, but in mysql log i didn't see the query and it doesn't work |
| 12:43.49 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 12:44.52 | Fox_1_ | my question is how ro solve this problem? |
| 12:45.00 | SlayerXP | Fox_1_: /join #postfix |
| 12:45.25 | User900 | I need replacement of HotSaNIC , PLEASE ?. |
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| 12:49.48 | nixmofo | guys i've just compiled 2.4.32 kernel and am having troubles booting it. |
| 12:49.59 | nixmofo | i'm receiving a kernel panic cannot find /root file system |
| 12:50.25 | nixmofo | i've booted using a boot disk and sussed out the grub.conf and everything looks hunky doory |
| 12:50.28 | nixmofo | any idea's ? |
| 12:50.39 | jethro | use debian kernel images |
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| 12:50.48 | nixmofo | the grub.conf has two options one being the hold kernel and one being the new one. |
| 12:51.07 | nixmofo | both options in grub.conf are exactly the same when it comes to ro root=/dev/hda2 |
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| 12:54.30 | sep | nix4me, your compiled kernel dont have the right driver for your disk controller. and/or filesystem |
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| 12:55.32 | flosch | hi |
| 12:56.32 | richbathman | wtf? i tried to join #gentoo and I come here, what is going on? |
| 12:56.36 | nixmofo | sep: what do you suggest ? |
| 12:57.07 | azeem | richbathman: maybe you are banned there and they set an forwarder to this channel? |
| 12:57.33 | richbathman | why would they do that? |
| 12:57.47 | azeem | I'm not sure, I heard of similar stories before though |
| 12:57.55 | richbathman | how do i stop this |
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| 12:58.25 | azeem | 14:51 [OPN] -!- 0 - #gentoo: ban *!*@196.12.181.3!#gentoo-ops [by mzbot!i=marienz@gentoo/developer/marienz/bot/mzbot, 2006305 secs ago] |
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| 12:58.57 | richbathman | yet i ended up in #debian not #gentoo-ops ? |
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| 12:59.15 | krassy1809 | i want to resize my ext3 partition - somebody help me ? |
| 12:59.18 | azeem | richbathman: maybe there's another ban in #gentoo-ops which forwards here? |
| 12:59.23 | evilt0ne | hi @ll |
| 12:59.30 | azeem | richbathman: anyway, please contact freenode personell, we cannot help your |
| 12:59.34 | azeem | s/your/you/ |
| 12:59.41 | richbathman | really. why would they do this to me (and why #debian) |
| 12:59.53 | azeem | richbathman: I don't know and I can't help you, sorry |
| 13:00.02 | RichiH | richbathman: let me look at it |
| 13:00.08 | richbathman | alright, sorry for this not sure why they are doing that |
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| 13:01.08 | RichiH | richbathman: they should not |
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| 13:01.42 | richbathman | ya not fair to this channel, thats for shure |
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| 13:02.43 | richbathman | brb :) thanks for help |
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| 13:04.27 | krassy1809 | somebody help me in partitioning |
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| 13:05.10 | Zvpun | what is the difference between "pktsetup pktcdvd0 /dev/dvd; mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd" and "mkudffs /dev/dvd; mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd"? |
| 13:05.17 | eth000 | krassy1809, what's your problem? |
| 13:05.20 | richbathman | damn tat is irritating |
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| 13:06.00 | Diazepam | Diazepam: Hi there. Can anyone tell me where the config file is that i can enter my WEP encryption key so that it automatically loads at boot. At present i have to manually do the iwconfig eth1 key XXXX-XXXX-XX |
| 13:06.11 | peppet | krassy1809: resize2fs |
| 13:06.22 | samokk | Diazepam, /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 13:06.39 | Diazepam | samokk - yeah thats what i thought |
| 13:06.54 | krassy1809 | eth000:I cant install qtparted because no free spasce at / , but i have unpartitioned space on disk , how i can resize my / (ext3) partition ? |
| 13:07.07 | Diazepam | samokk but how do you format the entry? |
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| 13:07.22 | Diazepam | encryption = wep |
| 13:07.32 | Diazepam | key = XXX-XXX-XX |
| 13:07.52 | krassy1809 | peppet:is this a debian package ? |
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| 13:08.14 | Zvpun | krassy1809: boot from Knoppix or any other CD and use qtparted or parted from there. |
| 13:08.24 | richbathman | hm |
| 13:08.33 | Zvpun | krassy1809: I can hardly imagine that you dont have enough free space for parted. |
| 13:08.33 | samokk | Diazepam, I think there is an example here : http://communaute.mangue.org/content.php?article.140 |
| 13:08.35 | RichiH | richbathman: your redirecting ban was changed in a normal ban. as to why, you will need to talk to them yourself |
| 13:08.39 | jethro | Diazepam: man interfaces, look at the up keyword |
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| 13:08.55 | Diazepam | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.55 | Diazepam | wireless-key XXXXXXXX |
| 13:09.10 | RvGaTe | \o/ party people \o/ (sorry, bored at work, haha) |
| 13:09.13 | richbathman | ah okay. thanks ricH |
| 13:09.20 | redmonkey | wireless-acid ;) |
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| 13:09.44 | richbathman | shoulD i leave here?? |
| 13:09.55 | Diazepam | thanks guys you rock - setting up WEP on debian has been a two day project! |
| 13:10.12 | avds | problem with alsa: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav --> ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:222:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-5527-1145907855-837226: No such file or directory |
| 13:10.15 | Diazepam | but now i am fully enlightened about all things wifi |
| 13:10.26 | RichiH | richbathman: unless you have anything debian-related to say, i fear it will be boring for yo |
| 13:10.29 | RichiH | u |
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| 13:10.33 | Zvpun | Diazepam: you can start a religion now :-) |
| 13:10.33 | krassy1809 | zvpun:i have parted but it little hard for me to use , and i don`t know can parted work with ext3 or only ext2 ? |
| 13:10.43 | richbathman | :~) |
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| 13:10.54 | Zvpun | krassy1809: there is no (real) difference between ext2 and ext3 |
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| 13:11.31 | Diazepam | Zvpun - well now i have wifi I can at least google a religon |
| 13:11.33 | richbathman | still banned can ne1 help me with Gentoo? |
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| 13:11.37 | Zvpun | krassy1809: parted has a very good help system IMHO |
| 13:11.43 | Zvpun | Diazepam: hahahahaha |
| 13:12.27 | RichiH | richbathman: i am afraid not, no |
| 13:12.27 | richbathman | fuck brb |
| 13:12.27 | cahoot | richbathman: I believe you should contact #gentoo-ops or such |
| 13:12.28 | krassy1809 | zvpun:where is IMHO? |
| 13:12.28 | jethro | :imho |
| 13:12.33 | Zvpun | krassy1809: IMHO - in my humble opinion |
| 13:12.42 | richbathman | hmm, forard from there goes to here |
| 13:12.52 | Knight_Lord | How is it possible that i have libstdc++.so.5 in /usr/lib64 and yet my program doesn't seem to find it? (according to ldd) |
| 13:12.54 | Zvpun | krassy1809: do you need help with parted? I just joind, what was your problem? |
| 13:12.58 | redmonkey | he typed the f-word! what a bad guy :) |
| 13:13.07 | richbathman | assholes lol :-< |
| 13:13.28 | richbathman | #gentoo-ops i meantt |
| 13:13.30 | redmonkey | well, that ain't nice |
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| 13:13.47 | lukaszg | i have strange problem with syslog. My server show logs from firewall into console. I had syslog but removed it. Now i'm using syslog-ng and it is set not to write to console. Which daemon may write this logs? |
| 13:13.52 | Zvpun | redmonkey: what is wrong with f___? That is why we all are here and can talk. |
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| 13:14.15 | Agente_Mulder | hi, i update my debian and now dont work my mouse, and no start X .. /dev/input/mice dispositive inesistent |
| 13:14.15 | krassy1809 | zvpun:i have unpartitioned space and i want to merge it to my / (ext3) partition |
| 13:14.21 | redmonkey | Zvpun, oh how cute :) |
| 13:14.37 | Zvpun | krassy1809: what does "su -c 'fdisk -l'" |
| 13:14.46 | goudkov | is there something like chroot for a network to make it so that all processes started under it only see one ip or one nic alias? |
| 13:15.02 | Zvpun | krassy1809: is it right after your ext3 partition? |
| 13:15.54 | Zvpun | goudkov: usually you can bind daemons to interfaces |
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| 13:16.27 | krassy1809 | zvpun: 1 sec please |
| 13:16.28 | wam | goudkov: linux-vserver |
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| 13:16.34 | goudkov | Zvpun: i'm trying to do it with giftd, but it doesn't seem like the plugins give that option |
| 13:16.37 | wam | goudkov: little overhead - but possible ;) |
| 13:16.46 | jsmidt | does anybody know when the 2.17 Kernal is supposed to be released? |
| 13:16.47 | goudkov | wam: i'll check it out |
| 13:17.22 | wam | goudkov: it's a better chroot. So you'll have to install it nearly like a real server. |
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| 13:17.47 | krassy1809 | zvpun:no it is before ext3 |
| 13:18.30 | goudkov | wam: thanks |
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| 13:18.33 | Zvpun | krassy1809: as far as I know on can only extend an ext partition at the end. I dont think that you can add space infront of it. |
| 13:19.02 | Zvpun | krassy1809: maybe creating 2 partitions and moving /home to the other partition is an option for you. |
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| 13:20.06 | Zvpun | krassy1809: another possiblity meight be that the space infrot ist big enough such that you can copy root to other partition and resize it afterwards. |
| 13:20.14 | krassy1809 | zvpun:i have one more unpartitioned space who is after swap |
| 13:20.17 | richbathman | mew. #gentoo-ops sucks my cock |
| 13:20.34 | richbathman | DCC SEND gnaa-owns-u_http://www.gnaa.us/_555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb |
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| 13:20.48 | tarzeau | !ops GNAA |
| 13:20.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: GNAA |
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| 13:21.05 | LoRez | tarzeau: thanks |
| 13:21.08 | krassy1809 | zvpun:swap is just after ext3 |
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| 13:21.22 | jsmidt | sorry I ment the 2.6.17 kernal release |
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| 13:21.31 | Zvpun | krassy1809: I dont know what your partition scheme looks like. |
| 13:21.34 | wam | Was that a bufferoverflow for some clients? |
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| 13:21.50 | Zvpun | krassy1809: you could delete swap and recreate it infront |
| 13:22.06 | cahoot | jsmidt: waiting for something special? |
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| 13:22.24 | Zvpun | krassy1809: are you registered, can you send /msg's? |
| 13:22.24 | krassy1809 | zvpun:woud you join to #flood for a sec |
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| 13:23.04 | jsmidt | cahoot, I heard it will do well with smp. |
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| 13:23.22 | jsmidt | Better than the rest |
| 13:23.50 | wam | krassy1809: IF your free space is equal or bigger than your current data-partition, you COULD do the following: Create a LVM/PV on the free space and install a filesystem on top of it. Then move your installation there and wipe the old data-partition. Create a PV on the old data-partition OR pvresize to the old partition. Then, with LVM you can use both/the one PV as one partition. |
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| 13:24.35 | sorpigal | I'm trying to install OpenCMS on sarge+sun java (via make-jpkg). The Debian-packaged tomcat5 stuff works fine, but I get errors about opencms.tld in the log file and a notice that /opencms is not available. Google has been less than helpful so far. |
| 13:24.37 | cahoot | jsmidt: you do realize noone could give a useful answer to when it can be released - looks theyr'e on rc2 atm - follow LKML |
| 13:25.08 | jsmidt | cahoot, thanks |
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| 13:25.32 | ootput | hi, sorta offtopic q: |
| 13:25.36 | ootput | if i had declarations: row = 0; column = 0;, is there a way for me to compress that? |
| 13:25.41 | ootput | much like how i could do int row, column; during initializaiton |
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| 13:25.47 | ootput | in c |
| 13:26.10 | jm_ | row = columnw = 0; |
| 13:26.17 | jm_ | without the typos |
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| 13:26.38 | ootput | alright |
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| 13:31.03 | tarzeau | LoRez: exiftags is cool, thanks for it |
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| 13:31.34 | tarzeau | LoRez: amateur funk? http://people.debian.org/~mattice/DCP04325.JPG |
| 13:31.39 | bliss1__ | hi |
| 13:32.01 | LoRez | tarzeau: some ham equipment. |
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| 13:32.23 | bliss1__ | i sarge installed want to upgrade to etch is there a /wiki/howtoof how to install direct from internet? |
| 13:32.23 | tarzeau | LoRez: cool |
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| 13:34.50 | LoRez | it's awful quiet in here. |
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| 13:38.59 | c459s | If I want to modify the menu that grub displays, can I just edit the file in /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 13:39.11 | jm_ | yes |
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| 13:39.22 | jm_ | keep in mind that Debian might update it when installing kernels |
| 13:39.26 | c459s | jm_: do I need to "install" the updated file somehow after having modified it? |
| 13:39.32 | jm_ | c459s: no |
| 13:39.38 | c459s | ok |
| 13:40.31 | Detox | HELP have a pavilion a705w. everytime I try to load Linux (any distro) all it does it reboot. I have tried disabling acpi, no luck, any ideas? I have googled but have found no answers |
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| 13:41.40 | wam | Detox: at which point does it reboot? Is the kernel loaded? Are the modules loaded? During init? |
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| 13:42.09 | tarzeau | LoRez: i'll show you something in a minute |
| 13:42.13 | zam | how to use tv card on dibian?? |
| 13:42.15 | Detox | during initial boot up, gets about 5 seconds into the process |
| 13:42.23 | tarzeau | zam: just start xawtv or tvtime |
| 13:42.31 | pjz | Detox: try going into your bios and disabling anything having to do with power management |
| 13:42.39 | Detox | I have seen numerous posts describing the sme prob but have found no answer |
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| 13:42.45 | Detox | not avain |
| 13:42.51 | Detox | availiable in this bios |
| 13:43.17 | Detox | is HP afterall WalMart Christmas Special PC |
| 13:43.21 | bogon | hi, where's the format of .desktop-files documented? |
| 13:43.58 | wam | Detox: try to make a photo of the screen directly before it reboots. Without the position *when* this happens, probarbly no one can help. |
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| 13:43.59 | pjz | Detox: does it do then when you try and boot linux off of CD? or only after you've installed it? |
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| 13:44.09 | zam | so how to know that the driver i right for tv card |
| 13:44.49 | Detox | it will not isntall,,, debian will boot from cd,, and as soon as I beging the isntall process, it reobbots |
| 13:44.53 | Detox | reboots |
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| 13:45.25 | pjz | Detox: will a LiveCD boot? |
| 13:45.32 | wam | Detox: so it's probarbly a module-problem which d-i tries to load. |
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| 13:46.28 | pjz | Detox: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-57221.html says that knoppix can be booted with acpi=off |
| 13:46.29 | Detox | live CD will not boot, but I can get the System Recovery CD to boot (off distrowatch) |
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| 13:47.29 | wireddd | you think I am going to be able to get etch with xorg working on an old laptop with 32MB of ram? |
| 13:47.35 | tarzeau | LoRez: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ add your photo today! |
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| 13:48.37 | trinocoew | DCC SEND gnaa-owns-u_http://www.gnaa.us/_555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb |
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| 13:50.07 | Zvpun | what is the DCC SEND thing? |
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| 13:50.19 | Zvpun | does it disconnect people? |
| 13:50.42 | Ronin | Zvpun: ya if your a looser enough to try it it can disconnect some folks |
| 13:50.52 | Coweater | it gets you k-lined, that's all |
| 13:50.58 | Ronin | Coweater: that too |
| 13:51.23 | Zvpun | k-lined? |
| 13:51.44 | Zvpun | how can a simple text line disconnect people? |
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| 13:52.43 | Ronin | its a router thing as i recall, google will tell you more |
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| 13:53.04 | bbrazil | Zvpun: buffer overflow |
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| 13:54.13 | Ronin | course you have to be a looser from teh gnaa to still try it |
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| 13:54.21 | legrand | I'm looking for a GRUB crack: when installing GRUB in the MBR - is it really necessary to mark any partition as 'bootable'? IMHO no (and no former BIOS required that), but Intel tells me that it is required to have at partition marked as bootable to recognice the MBR as bootable?! |
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| 13:54.50 | Zvpun | but shouldn't the clients be patched right away? What clients get disconnected? |
| 13:54.59 | Coweater | it's not a client problem |
| 13:55.01 | saloxin | imho no - only legacy windows versions even |
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| 13:55.07 | saloxin | legrand: ^ |
| 13:55.10 | oskie | legrand: some BIOSes DO require the bootable flag... at least my laptop required it |
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| 13:55.34 | Detox | sorry, lost dsl,,, if I paste the page at HP w/ specs, would that help in figuring out why it is rrebooting? |
| 13:56.07 | Detox | if the cpu is hyperthreaded would that matter? |
| 13:56.51 | kijjaz2 | programming question: i wanna start programming C++ on debian (i'm quite a complete C++ programmer, i was more used to QuickBASIC on dos, anyway..) especially programming on Linux. where on the net should i start reading about that as a newbie? |
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| 13:57.45 | Zvpun | kijjaz2: I could show you the 1st steps if you want to. can you /msg? |
| 13:57.55 | legrand | saloxin hi! obviously yes, otherwise the BIOS of my Intel 945GTP ignores the disk. I never saw this before (and I installed quite a few Linux systems before)But is it a 'standard'? IMHO not - and it does not make much sense to mark a partition as bootable if the boot sector of this very partition does not get examined at all. |
| 13:58.04 | kijjaz2 | Zvpun: thanks i'll msg you. |
| 13:58.36 | henry1 | /part |
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| 13:59.11 | Zvpun | kijjaz2: still waiting |
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| 13:59.38 | Xteven | hello, can I autoreboot my machine when it becomes unusable after a forkbomb ? I tried panic=15 as a kernel parameter, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 13:59.45 | kijjaz2 | Zvpun: eh i have to identify myself first? |
| 13:59.54 | Zvpun | kijjaz2: yes, you have to register first |
| 14:00.09 | Zvpun | kijjaz2: you may want to join #flood we could talk there |
| 14:00.14 | jethro | Xteven: why don't you prevent fork bombs instead? |
| 14:00.18 | kijjaz2 | Zvpun: heheh -_- i'm logged in at home with 'kijjaz' i'll register this one for now. |
| 14:00.38 | Ronin | kijjaz2: or just have nickserv kill kijjaz for you |
| 14:00.57 | Xteven | jethro : suppose I do, are there any other situations where my machine would hang and not reboot when I pass panic=15 ? |
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| 14:02.03 | vrone | hi, what is the easiest way to make a bootable cd-rw? |
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| 14:02.57 | Xteven | jethro : you see, I could prevent a lot of things from happening and my machine could still hang. What I want to do is have my machine reboot when it hangs, no matter what happened |
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| 14:05.24 | wireddd | where does make kpkg put the package? |
| 14:05.39 | oskie | jethro: use some software or hardware watchdog |
| 14:05.54 | petemc | wireddd: ../ |
| 14:05.55 | oskie | Xteven: ^ |
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| 14:06.36 | jethro | Xteven: no I don't see. perhaps you could give details on the possible causes of these hangs. and a good reason for you to want automagic reboots on such hangs |
| 14:07.27 | wireddd | am I going to have any problems using the 2.6.16 kernel with etch? |
| 14:07.50 | pjz | Xteven: you've looked into the software watchdog stuff in the kernel? |
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| 14:08.01 | pjz | wireddd: I'm using it with sarge |
| 14:08.04 | Xteven | jethro : besides forkbombs, memory exhausted, key processes killed, NFS timeouts, ... |
| 14:08.24 | Xteven | jethro : the reason would be that I'm 5km away when it happens, and I don't want to go all that way just to reboot a machine |
| 14:08.29 | Xteven | pjz : yes |
| 14:08.31 | wireddd | pjz, I don't have to apply debian specific patches to it or anything do I? |
| 14:08.44 | Xteven | pjz : it's enabled |
| 14:08.54 | jethro | abrotman: I was missing retardedness :) |
| 14:09.10 | abrotman | jethro: so you want to work for my company? |
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| 14:09.13 | pjz | wireddd: no. I'm packaging mine with kernel-package |
| 14:09.17 | jethro | abrotman: no thanks :) |
| 14:09.29 | stew | wireddd: which kernel version are you running now? |
| 14:09.36 | samuel | hello all |
| 14:09.44 | pjz | wireddd: basically: debian doesn't care much what kernel you run with the system |
| 14:09.44 | wireddd | 2.6.12 |
| 14:10.01 | vrone | hi, how to make a bootable cd-rw? |
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| 14:10.07 | Super_Trainer | hi |
| 14:10.07 | pjz | wireddd: though, yeah, as stew implied, going from 2.4 to 2.6 might cause some problems fror you because /dev names and such changed |
| 14:10.21 | pjz | vrone: I'm sure there's more than one google hit that will tell you how to do that |
| 14:10.26 | wireddd | yeah I am not doing that |
| 14:10.55 | Super_Trainer | Question: who use last xfce4.4beta1 ? (i've some problem ti install it) |
| 14:10.58 | samuel | im looking to do the following, i know this may not be the best place to ask but im just looking for pointers: i want to program a very simple interface with buttons. all these buttons do is send commands through ssh to another computer somewhere in the network, what should i use to do that? |
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| 14:11.18 | Braindead | samuel: pygtk? |
| 14:11.29 | jengelh | hm, t-online.hu? |
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| 14:11.36 | oskie | samuel: or perl + gtk-perl |
| 14:12.17 | samuel | Braindead, oskie thanks, ill look at those |
| 14:12.39 | justStormY | hey |
| 14:12.53 | samuel | Braindead, oskie can what i said be done easily enough? |
| 14:12.59 | justStormY | can anybody tell where are the changes of "net groupmap" are stored, in which file? |
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| 14:13.41 | pjz | samuel: your favorite programing language or scripting language + something like gtk or wxwindows |
| 14:14.02 | pjz | samuel: or possibly some kind of cgi programming, again in your favorite language |
| 14:14.13 | oskie | samuel: i bet it can be done in less than 10-20 lines of code :) |
| 14:14.17 | nanotube | hello, if the PCMCIA car is recognized by lspci does it means that the module is also installed? |
| 14:14.21 | kspath | justStormY: Are you trying to ask about NIS or samba? |
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| 14:14.24 | pjz | nanotube: no |
| 14:14.28 | samuel | oskie, thanks |
| 14:14.31 | justStormY | kspath: samba |
| 14:14.33 | samuel | pjz, thanks |
| 14:14.47 | pjz | nanotube: lspci just scans the pci bus to get a list of what IDs the cards there have |
| 14:14.52 | nanotube | pjz: so what I need to do next i |
| 14:15.00 | kspath | justStormY: There is a samba channel likely and mailing lists and there is a samba.org site also. |
| 14:15.05 | pjz | nanotube: it's an operation on the PCI bus, not on the cards themselves |
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| 14:15.21 | nanotube | pjz: 0000:03:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01) |
| 14:15.29 | justStormY | kspath: yes i know - i'm there too but no one seems to be there, then i tryed it here |
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| 14:15.50 | kspath | justStormY: There are other resources outside of IRC. |
| 14:15.50 | pjz | nanotube: I'd google for 'RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus linux driver' |
| 14:15.58 | pjz | nanotube: to figure out what module you need to use to make that work |
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| 14:16.09 | nanotube | pjz: ok will do that :-)) thanks |
| 14:16.17 | cblackburn | hey all, I have a problem with apt |
| 14:16.47 | cblackburn | apt-get complains because I do not have x11-common xfree86-common: Depends: x11-common but it is not going to be installe |
| 14:17.08 | cblackburn | but when I try to install x11-common it says |
| 14:17.11 | cblackburn | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:17.11 | cblackburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.19 | cblackburn | so catch 22 :) |
| 14:17.19 | stew | cblackburn: /msg dpkg x11-common conflict |
| 14:17.20 | kspath | My son got on my laptop. Was there more random gibberish from my nick than normal recently? |
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| 14:17.57 | stew | kspath: "/lastlog kspath" says no |
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| 14:18.04 | vrone | nanotube: which version of debian r u using? |
| 14:18.27 | cblackburn | I tried doing what dpkg said but it didn't work |
| 14:18.30 | cblackburn | I get the same error |
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| 14:18.43 | pjz | cblackburn: sounds like you've got something wrong with your sources.list |
| 14:18.50 | stew | no its not |
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| 14:18.55 | kspath | stew: hehehe thanks |
| 14:19.20 | pjz | cblackburn: like you're pointing at unstable or testing or an old/incomplete/broken archive somewhere |
| 14:19.29 | stew | cblackburn: so you removed xfree86-common and it still says that x11-common is conflicting? |
| 14:19.32 | stew | pjz: no |
| 14:19.45 | vrone | does mondo ring a bell here? |
| 14:19.49 | cblackburn | http://pastebin.com/678881 |
| 14:19.53 | cblackburn | that's my sources.list |
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| 14:20.25 | stew | cblackburn: show me the output of the command that dpkg told you to run |
| 14:20.28 | Zvpun | what is the difference between "pktsetup pktcdvd0 /dev/dvd; mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd" and "mkudffs /dev/dvd; mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd"? |
| 14:20.29 | stew | cblackburn: and /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 14:21.24 | nanotube | vrone: sarge stable... |
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| 14:22.40 | Braindead | nanotube: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=debian+rt2500 |
| 14:22.42 | vrone | nanotube: try to install rt2500-source and module-assistant. read the instructions to use module-assistant to install the rt2500 driver. |
| 14:22.54 | Braindead | vrone: nope,it's not in sarge |
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| 14:23.24 | vrone | Braindead: have u checked recently? |
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| 14:24.00 | Braindead | http://packages.debian.org/rt2500-source |
| 14:24.04 | Braindead | check now |
| 14:24.44 | stew | nanotube: go to that url ^^^ download the rt2500-souce package, dpkg -i it, then /msg dpkg m-a me rt2500 |
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| 14:25.24 | nanotube | what version testing is ok? |
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| 14:26.10 | stew | nanotube: probably. what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:26.38 | nanotube | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:27.04 | cblackburn | mwaha |
| 14:27.05 | cblackburn | got it |
| 14:27.20 | cblackburn | I needed to dpkg --remove --force depends xfree86-common |
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| 14:27.29 | cblackburn | then apt-get install xfree86-common x11-common |
| 14:27.38 | cblackburn | 'sall good now :) |
| 14:27.49 | stew | cblackburn: did you try the apt-get install line from /msg dpkg x11-common conflict? |
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| 14:28.02 | Souseke | hi i was wonderin if someone could give me some help.. |
| 14:28.03 | cblackburn | stew: that was the correct command |
| 14:28.08 | stew | cblackburn: no, it wasn't |
| 14:28.11 | cblackburn | but I needed to run the dpkg command first |
| 14:28.15 | stew | no you didn't |
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| 14:29.36 | stew | cblackburn: you don't need the xfree86-common package at all which is why that command from dpkg was just having you remove it as you install x11-common |
| 14:30.09 | Souseke | i have a poweredge sc1850 that i want to put debian on. however it will not run the standard debian amd64 boot cd. If i use the debian-dell cd, it install a 32bit enviroment. I would like it to have a 64bit enviroment. can anyone help... |
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| 14:30.48 | stew | Souseke: /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 14:30.54 | aw | Hi, is Intel Pro/100 S network well supported by debian/linux? |
| 14:31.19 | mung | yes |
| 14:31.53 | stew | !m-a nanotube rt2500 |
| 14:31.53 | dpkg | nanotube: to compile and install rt2500 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2500 && modprobe rt2500 ; if this works echo rt2500 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 14:35.32 | vrone | nanotube: with 'testing' and kernerl-2.6.8, u can do what i said earlier. much easier way. |
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| 14:35.58 | User900 | Plese help i need monitoring program but no HOTSANIC !, Any replacement? |
| 14:36.02 | stew | vrone: you think that he should upgrade to testing, just to get a driver into his kernel? |
| 14:36.26 | Braindead | stew: nope,just the sourcs |
| 14:37.00 | stew | Braindead: what are you saying that he should be doing differently? |
| 14:37.05 | vrone | stew: no, add a line to sources.list. he can have a mixed installation, stable w testing packages. |
| 14:37.08 | prudhvi | how can i compile a linux kernel using tcc ? |
| 14:37.10 | nanotube | dpkg: DONE modprobe echo modules done.. |
| 14:37.13 | stew | vrone: that's a bad idea |
| 14:37.17 | nanotube | what next? :-) |
| 14:37.20 | Braindead | stew: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=debian+rt2500 |
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| 14:37.30 | stew | Braindead: why would i want to google that? |
| 14:37.53 | vrone | stew: rubbish. u don't know enough. |
| 14:37.55 | Braindead | so you could see what nanotube SHOULD really be reading now? |
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| 14:38.15 | stew | vrone: rubbish? mixing stable and testing is a horrible idea, trust me |
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| 14:38.50 | vrone | stew: u can mix stable, testing and unstable, even. |
| 14:38.56 | stew | Braindead: i've told him exactly what he should do, and he has successfully installed the driver |
| 14:39.01 | User900 | Did you know any other monitoring system than HotSaNIC ??? Please, I need it urgently. |
| 14:39.02 | stew | !tell vrone about flamethrower |
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| 14:39.07 | stew | !tell vrone about bobbitt |
| 14:39.09 | kspath | vrone: Because you got something to work by mixing you somehow think it is ok for anyone else to take that horrible risk? |
| 14:39.13 | RvGaTe | easy stew :P |
| 14:39.45 | vrone | !tell stew about mfsob |
| 14:39.53 | kspath | vrone: People can mix volatile chemicals as well but that still is a BAD idea. |
| 14:39.56 | vrone | stew: gfy. |
| 14:40.26 | kspath | vrone: Backports exist for a VERY good reason. |
| 14:41.26 | Braindead | stew: yes. he's compiled the module. now keep on leading him |
| 14:41.49 | kspath | vrone: This channel is for helping people to do supportable things with debian. By mixing stable with testing and/or unstable you are encouraging people to make their systems unsupportable. |
| 14:42.02 | Braindead | vrone has left the building,dudes |
| 14:42.12 | RvGaTe | stew cant Braindead, he doesn't "now anough" |
| 14:42.18 | RvGaTe | *know |
| 14:42.23 | LoRez | tarzeau: that's just weird. |
| 14:42.42 | kspath | Braindead: I am hitting the vrone crater with information so others can see it. |
| 14:42.48 | User900 | Hey, all Debianer's did you hear me ? I need only answer:REPLACEMENT for HotSaNIC !!! |
| 14:43.04 | Braindead | I can hear someone whispering... |
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| 14:43.50 | kspath | Braindead: Voices (in|out)side your head? |
| 14:43.58 | Braindead | and I can feel someone in need of his next spoonfeeding |
| 14:44.07 | stew | nanotube: your card should be working now. to configure it man 5 interfaces ; and apt-get isntall wireless-tools ; and man 7 wireless |
| 14:44.23 | Braindead | here it comes |
| 14:44.49 | kspath | wow, almost a copy/paste spoonfeeding. |
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| 14:45.42 | User900 | -> Braindead Please i need it urgently, my server can't be down so long, HotSaNIC (SHIT) causes an fall but i have recovered from this state , but i need monitoring tool !!! |
| 14:45.43 | Braindead | it's like bird's moms that puke into their children's mouths |
| 14:46.00 | stew | Braindead: please keep it on topic |
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| 14:46.25 | nanotube | thanks guys...:-)) last question is it nessesary to rename the interface form eth0 to ra0 ? |
| 14:46.47 | stew | nanotube: no |
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| 14:49.24 | User900 | can anyone help me ???? !!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:49.41 | stew | User900: what are you trying to monitor? |
| 14:50.18 | User900 | network usage, processes and users |
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| 14:50.38 | xuser | does -fn only changes the size in rxvt? i want the default font of 7x14 the letters are horrible, any ideas? |
| 14:50.51 | xuser | but |
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| 14:51.28 | Braindead | xuser: xfontsel to choose the font (-fn FOO) or go looking fot the aliases |
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| 14:51.39 | nanotube | thanks for help... :-) |
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| 14:52.06 | Braindead | namely in /etc/X11/fonts/ |
| 14:52.33 | User900 | -> stew: Do you have an idea ? |
| 14:52.38 | xuser | Braindead: thx. |
| 14:53.38 | saloxin | User900: munin + munin-node |
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| 14:53.59 | HelmutG | Some site is stating that mplayer reached the new queue in January, has there been any effort? |
| 14:54.12 | saloxin | gives graphs and trends. nagios for alarm system |
| 14:54.13 | stew | HelmutG: its been in the new queue for over a year now |
| 14:54.17 | stew | HelmutG: maybe longer |
| 14:54.29 | User900 | ->saloxin: what is it ? and where ? |
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| 14:54.51 | kspath | User900: Have you ever used google or any other search engine? |
| 14:55.02 | kspath | User900: Are you willing to do any of the work? |
| 14:55.16 | HelmutG | stew: So is there any chance to see it in sid soon? |
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| 14:55.25 | stew | HelmutG: practically none |
| 14:55.26 | saloxin | User900: apt-cache show munin |
| 14:55.30 | alec | HelmutG: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package |
| 14:55.38 | User900 | yes i have searched for HotSaNIC replacement string but nothing only HotSaNIC |
| 14:55.56 | jelly-ho | xuser: try the font (alias) named "10x20" if you want something large and readable. |
| 14:55.56 | kspath | User900: search for munin also. |
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| 14:56.18 | HelmutG | alec: Are there still license issues? According to mplayerhq.hu mplayer is gplv2. |
| 14:56.34 | saloxin | User900: ah you want to change isp? sorry, i thought you needed monitoring |
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| 14:56.51 | stew | HelmutG: it was never license issues, but patent infringement |
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| 14:57.05 | kspath | saloxin: It is really hard to tell what people really want sometimes. |
| 14:57.09 | r3tex | is there somewhere where i can read some documentation on the default debian startup scripts |
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| 14:57.31 | kspath | r3tex: Is there a readme in /etc/init.d ? |
| 14:57.39 | Braindead | and a skeleton too |
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| 14:58.42 | xuser | jelly-ho: thx. |
| 14:58.49 | HelmutG | stew: That only applies to U.S., right? (I know this will violate dfsg.) |
| 14:58.52 | r3tex | kspath: thanx |
| 14:58.58 | kspath | !thanks |
| 14:58.59 | dpkg | bitte, kspath |
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| 14:59.16 | stew | HelmutG: no, not only the us, at least germany as well, afaik |
| 14:59.25 | kspath | dpkg: Have you considered speaking in English? |
| 14:59.38 | stew | !dachs kspath |
| 14:59.38 | dpkg | kspath: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 14:59.45 | HelmutG | stew: Afaik sw patents aren't active in Germany yet. |
| 14:59.45 | User900 | ->saloxin: No ISP, my server is a router and firewall for a small network. varying loading ( form 10 to 100 users ) -> It's clear ? |
| 15:00.05 | Gallo-7 | hi |
| 15:00.07 | Gallo-7 | there are anyone that can help me please? |
| 15:00.15 | xuser | jelly-ho: 9x18 looks good :) |
| 15:00.16 | Gallo-7 | i have etch end the command pppoeconf not exist |
| 15:00.17 | stew | HelmutG: dunno |
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| 15:00.34 | saloxin | User900: nope, i don't get it. /me vanishes |
| 15:00.36 | HelmutG | stew: Ok, thanks for answering my questions. |
| 15:00.37 | stew | Gallo-7: apt-cache search pppoe |
| 15:00.47 | Gallo-7 | tnx |
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| 15:01.07 | Sbroker | buenas tardes desde España |
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| 15:01.21 | stew | HelmutG: if you search on lists.debian.org/debian-devel i'm sure you find some heated discussion about it |
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| 15:02.06 | blame | how do I unzip a bunch of .zip files in one dir? |
| 15:02.06 | kspath | !tell Sbroker about es |
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| 15:02.42 | HelmutG | stew: google shows up enough, enough to not get the important facts really. ;) |
| 15:03.38 | Braindead | blame: for file in *.zip;do unzip $file;done |
| 15:04.33 | stew | blame: unzip \*.zip |
| 15:04.34 | blame | Braindead, I have around 30 .zip files which I'd like to extract at once. |
| 15:04.52 | stew | blame: you just have to escape the * so that it gets passed explicitly to unzip |
| 15:04.58 | Supaplex | ls -1 *.[Zz][Ii][Pp] | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 ... -maxsomething=1 ... unzip |
| 15:05.17 | stew | yikes |
| 15:05.21 | Braindead | Supaplex: ok. you won. that's even worst |
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| 15:05.42 | blame | stew, how do I escape * |
| 15:05.47 | stew | blame: unzip \*.zip |
| 15:05.56 | stew | blame: or unzip "*.zip" |
| 15:06.01 | Ex-Cyber | HelmutG: try debian-legal, it's a bit more focused (usually :P) |
| 15:06.09 | User900 | ->kspath: thanx , i'm installing it now |
| 15:06.17 | kspath | Braindead: That is even worse? |
| 15:06.26 | blame | stew, thanks |
| 15:06.54 | Supaplex | Braindead: I try. :-d |
| 15:07.15 | kspath | blame: You will want to learn about double quotes " and single quotes ' |
| 15:07.53 | blame | kspath, didn't matter at all so for as I used it. |
| 15:08.10 | blame | I did use "unzip \*.zip" |
| 15:08.29 | kspath | blame: I am speaking to your future ability to do things for yourself. |
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| 15:08.58 | llama32 | what's the right way to permanently set environment variables system-wide? |
| 15:09.09 | rohan | llama32: edit /etc/profile |
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| 15:09.39 | Supaplex | llama32: /etc/profile assuming you use bash. |
| 15:09.41 | blame | so kspath what is the diff between " and ' |
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| 15:10.09 | Supaplex | " quoted items allow expansion ' does not |
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| 15:10.13 | kspath | blame: This is #debian. I am just trying to point you to something basic about basic scripting you will want to know. |
| 15:10.26 | Supaplex | yea, like #bash |
| 15:10.58 | Supaplex | btw, the bash man page is quite extensive |
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| 15:11.22 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 15:11.22 | cblackburn | what does this mean? |
| 15:11.22 | cblackburn | http://pastebin.com/679006 |
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| 15:11.26 | cblackburn | I have never seen errors like that before |
| 15:11.32 | jengelh | it means you are screwed |
| 15:11.33 | kspath | blame: It is interepted vs literal. |
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| 15:11.58 | abrotman | cblackburn: that's the whole error ? |
| 15:12.07 | areyes | how to know the time of reboots? |
| 15:12.07 | elephantMan | Everytime i put manually a new line in /etc/resolv.conf it's deleted few hours after...how can i make it persistant ? |
| 15:12.15 | cblackburn | abrotman: I can include the output of dmesg aswell if it helps |
| 15:12.24 | elephantMan | areyes, 'uptime' |
| 15:12.26 | abrotman | cblackburn: what about startx ? |
| 15:12.44 | cblackburn | abrotman: I get the same error |
| 15:12.58 | abrotman | cblackburn: did you install x-window-system-core ? |
| 15:13.01 | jengelh | dmesg, it's a kernel oops |
| 15:13.05 | stew | blame: try: echo '$HOME'; and echo "$HOME"; to see the difference |
| 15:13.20 | jengelh | nothing but the kernel does print CR2 in the usual case |
| 15:13.40 | cblackburn | x-window-system-core is already the newest version. |
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| 15:13.54 | areyes | elephantMan, the date of last 5 reboots |
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| 15:15.01 | cahoot | areyes: try last |
| 15:15.16 | cblackburn | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/679017 that's the output of dmesg |
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| 15:17.49 | jethro | !beer me |
| 15:18.01 | abrotman | cblackburn: something is not happy on your system .. do a hardware check |
| 15:18.01 | areyes | cahoot, thanks... |
| 15:18.08 | thingfish | hi jethro, long time no see. |
| 15:18.17 | jethro | hello thingfish |
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| 15:19.17 | rohan | !bloody mary me |
| 15:19.26 | cd_rom | hi, i found a tutorials how to create a kernel deb package but not gcc |
| 15:19.35 | thingfish | hehe bloody mary actually sounds kind of good right now. |
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| 15:19.51 | rohan | cd_rom: why do you want gcc packages ? |
| 15:19.51 | rohan | thingfish: :) |
| 15:19.55 | cd_rom | anyone got a tutorial about how to create gcc in deb package? |
| 15:19.55 | filipe | Is there a change in the device naming in 2.6.16? What should be the device name of a mouse attached to PS2? |
| 15:20.14 | cd_rom | rohan: it is for "home_user" |
| 15:20.20 | cd_rom | i screw up my box a lot so |
| 15:20.34 | rohan | oh |
| 15:20.35 | cd_rom | it takes a long time to compile those packages cause i got slow cpu |
| 15:20.46 | elephantMan | areyes, i don't know sorry |
| 15:20.50 | cd_rom | and i like testing new packages |
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| 15:21.01 | seba | newbie question: does anyone know if i can connect to two different chat servers from x-chat, or i m forced to open 2 instances of x-chat ? |
| 15:21.07 | cd_rom | no? |
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| 15:21.36 | rohan | seba: actually, its easy if you use irssi+screen , but for xchat i have no idea |
| 15:21.55 | jengelh | use an extra X server like tightvnc |
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| 15:22.32 | seba | irssi+screen is another irc client? |
| 15:22.54 | rohan | seba: no, you use irssi in conjunction with screen. its not a gui client |
| 15:22.57 | saeko | seba: crtl+t opens a new server window, once thats open type in you server you want to connect to and carry on as normal |
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| 15:23.21 | rohan | omigod, you wanted two server ! |
| 15:23.26 | rohan | sorry, seba saeko is right |
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| 15:23.38 | rohan | i thought you wanted to connect to one chat session from two pc's |
| 15:23.41 | seba | saeko, i will try ... |
| 15:23.47 | diesel | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 15:23.47 | dpkg | somebody said 2006 key was apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 15:26.22 | codered | hi |
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| 15:26.44 | codered | i've got an acer al1706 17'' lcd monitor |
| 15:27.00 | codered | but I don't know the vertrefresh and the horizsync parameters |
| 15:27.10 | seba | it's seems that the ctrl+t trick works. Thanks. |
| 15:27.26 | rohan | anyone on sid have the .deb for libtunepimpc2a ? it is uninstallable on sid atm, but i want amarok |
| 15:27.33 | thingfish | codered: you can't get that info from acer's website? |
| 15:27.38 | codered | on the acer site i didn't find these |
| 15:27.45 | rohan | so i just need the name of the deb file, and better yet, a url to it :) |
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| 15:27.48 | jsmidt | I have been running unstable for a little while. Everything seems to be going okay. I just wanted to ask if keeping unstable"stable" is a major headache or if there are only a few minimal problems here and there that are usually fairly easy to fix. I am just trying to figure out if unstable will be best for me or whether I should use testing. |
| 15:27.49 | codered | and google it's the same |
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| 15:28.15 | jsmidt | I have been running unstable for a little while. Everything seems to be going okay. I just wanted to ask if keeping unstable"stable" is a major headache or if there are only a few minimal problems here and there that are usually fairly easy to fix. I am just trying to figure out if unstable will be best for me or whether I should use testing. |
| 15:28.27 | Ronin | jsmidt: we saw that the first time |
| 15:28.40 | jsmidt | soory it didn't show up on my screen |
| 15:28.51 | diesel | jsmidt: just make sure to install bug-tracking software |
| 15:29.00 | Ronin | jsmidt: stick with testing if you have to ask ;) |
| 15:29.00 | diesel | jsmidt: apt-listbugs |
| 15:29.01 | codered | how I can find the correct numbers for these vars? |
| 15:29.02 | Braindead | namely apt-listbugs |
| 15:29.23 | chealer9 | jsmidt: if you have to ask, you should definitely not use unstable |
| 15:29.59 | chealer9 | jsmidt: (as a default release, of course) |
| 15:30.03 | Braindead | codered: xresprobe should do the work |
| 15:30.04 | jsmidt | So unstable have been headachs for you guys |
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| 15:31.02 | rohan | how do i remove the _old_ packages from /var/cache/apt/archives ? i dont want to remove all pkgs, just the old ones |
| 15:31.15 | codered | Braindead thanks I try... |
| 15:31.17 | thingfish | codered: it looks like it does 1280x1024, and most LCDs usually run at 60Hz iirc. More than that, I'm not finding either. |
| 15:31.21 | Ex-Cyber | that was before the advent of testing though |
| 15:31.47 | rohan | Ex-Cyber: what did you do, at that time ? |
| 15:31.55 | jsmidt | diesel: is apt-listbugs pretty reliable? |
| 15:32.09 | nathe | thingfish: I think that lcd's have varying refresh rates, which is why you can get quicker response times.. I think.. |
| 15:32.15 | jsmidt | I mean, if you watch it closely are you pretty safe? |
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| 15:32.31 | Ex-Cyber | rohan: upgraded when I shouldn't have? I don't remember that well; it was like 8 years ago |
| 15:32.32 | codered | thingfish I know... |
| 15:32.33 | Ronin | jsmidt: when something breaks can you fix it yourself or do you go to say irc looking for hellp? |
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| 15:32.50 | darkskiez | does anyone know if there is a trick to slow kernel console messages on boot, so I can see why my kernel isnt working, its not letting me pageup / scroll lock. |
| 15:32.52 | Braindead | jsmidt: you don't have to "watch it",it's gonna help you during dist-upgrades. as long as the bug is already on the BTS |
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| 15:33.28 | chealer9 | rohan: if you have to ask about that, the best advice I can give you is to reinstall a different release appropriate for your level of Debian experience |
| 15:33.35 | rohan | Ex-Cyber: i mean, what problems did a b0rken libc cause ? and how did you solve it ? |
| 15:33.47 | jsmidt | I definatly am willing to work to fix things if thety break. I guess my biggest fear is if uplods sometimes will erase all the memory on your hard drive or something crasy like that. |
| 15:33.48 | rohan | chealer9: thanks, but no, thanks. |
| 15:33.59 | nse | darkskiez: you can check the kernel boot log |
| 15:34.18 | darkskiez | nse: i could, but its not booting. |
| 15:34.28 | nse | darkskiez: yes, now i understand |
| 15:34.30 | Ex-Cyber | rohan: pretty much everything depends on libc, so it basically made the system unusable... I think I just reinstalled |
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| 15:34.50 | rohan | jsmidt: nah, nothing can cause things as bad as erasing hdd |
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| 15:35.15 | rohan | how do i remove the _old_ packages from /var/cache/apt/archives ? i dont want to remove all pkgs, just the old ones... so apt-get clean wont help |
| 15:35.19 | thingfish | unstable might eat all your cheese. |
| 15:35.26 | kspath | NO |
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| 15:35.32 | kspath | not the cheese! |
| 15:35.43 | gecko2 | rohan: with autoclean |
| 15:35.54 | rohan | gecko2: aha thanks. |
| 15:35.55 | gecko2 | that will remove every outdated package |
| 15:36.16 | Braindead | I like this style. first IRC,then RTFM |
| 15:36.31 | gecko2 | Braindead: hehe |
| 15:36.38 | kspath | I prefer RTFM then IRC most often. |
| 15:36.47 | jsmidt | rohan: then maybe I will stick with Unstable. For the last few moths I've been using it and it seems okay. I've had to fix things here and there. I just wanted to be prepared if sometimes absolute hell breaks loose in unstable. But thanks for the advice and thanks diesel for the bug help suggestion. |
| 15:37.18 | Shadowcat | hahaha absolute hell |
| 15:37.23 | Shadowcat | absolute hell is going on right now |
| 15:37.26 | rohan | jsmidt: go go go ! :) |
| 15:37.29 | Shadowcat | doesn't anybody read teh topic? |
| 15:37.35 | wireddd | ok i'm having so strange problems with my second video card when I am using kernel ver. 2.6.16.9. everything works fine with 2.6.12/2.6.8. When X loads my second videocard (3dfx voodoo 4 4500 PCI) has the right resolution and refresh but the screen looks like the memory is corrupt or something, while my other video card comes up fine. It only does this with 2.6.15/2.6.16. Any Idea what might be causing this? |
| 15:37.36 | gecko2 | Braindead: well, rtfm is the second, but thats better the not reading them |
| 15:37.52 | rohan | Knight_Lord, stephans : can you please stop your bitchx messages ? |
| 15:38.11 | gecko2 | Shadowcat: topic, whats that, is that eatable? *g* |
| 15:38.22 | Knight_Lord | rohan what messages? |
| 15:38.25 | chealer9 | rohan: why do you think nothing can cause things as bad as erasing hdd? |
| 15:38.40 | rohan | chealer9: what can ? |
| 15:38.53 | Braindead | rm -fr / in postinst ? :) |
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| 15:39.04 | rohan | Knight_Lord: my irssi script is complaining about your bitchx messages, it might be wrong, in which case i am sorry :) |
| 15:39.20 | rohan | Braindead: hehe, i want to see a debian developer do that :) |
| 15:39.22 | stew | rohan: /ignore PARTS QUITS -regexp -pattern (BitchX|BX) |
| 15:39.23 | chealer9 | rohan: Braindead's suggestion is just one possibility |
| 15:39.24 | Knight_Lord | rohan i'm not using using xchat |
| 15:39.39 | Knight_Lord | rohan not using bitchx, but xchat |
| 15:39.50 | rohan | Knight_Lord: ok. sorry :) |
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| 15:40.08 | rohan | stew: i have got a nice script for it, but seems that your method is way better.. thanks ! |
| 15:40.08 | Knight_Lord | rohan but i was using bitchx before rebooting, so your script might be right |
| 15:40.30 | rohan | Knight_Lord: see -- 21:01 -!- Irssi: Stopped moron BitchX message from Knight_Lord [1] :D |
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| 15:40.52 | kspath | rohan: So the irssi script is actually the problem? |
| 15:41.07 | rohan | kspath: maybe not, as Knight_Lord clarified |
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| 15:41.24 | Shadowcat | how about you three take it somewhere else |
| 15:41.27 | kspath | rohan: I understand that bitchx can be annoying to some people. You can ignore it. |
| 15:41.28 | Shadowcat | this isn't a debian issue |
| 15:41.34 | Knight_Lord | rohan are you talking about logout message? |
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| 15:42.02 | rohan | kspath: yes. |
| 15:42.09 | rohan | Knight_Lord: yes. |
| 15:42.24 | Knight_Lord | rohan okay |
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| 15:43.50 | blondie | bitchx is a horrible client :( |
| 15:43.59 | jengelh | blondie : Objection! |
| 15:44.01 | rohan | yes |
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| 15:44.30 | Braindead | jengelh: Phoenix Wright ? ;) |
| 15:44.35 | jengelh | no? |
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| 15:44.59 | bliss1_ | hi |
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| 15:45.57 | thingfish | you have to admit, though, that bitchx has some pretty cool quit messages. |
| 15:46.18 | wireddd | thats why I don't like it |
| 15:46.19 | kspath | some are amusing |
| 15:46.21 | thingfish | or if not cool, at least semi-amusing. |
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| 15:47.06 | piko | Hi I run into troubles with nvidia on amd64 with Xorg 7.0. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:47.25 | Braindead | piko: the topic can really help you. really. |
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| 15:47.35 | abrotman | hrm .. nvidia .. amd64 .. X7 .. i'm not touching that with a 100ft pole |
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| 15:47.42 | jethro | abrotman: chicken |
| 15:47.54 | abrotman | jethro: it's more the nvidia than anything else :) |
| 15:47.58 | bliss1_ | I am going install Etch from the net what I am going to do is to install only the base system of Sarge, change the /etc/apt/sources.list from stable to testing and apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 15:47.58 | bliss1_ | but i want to to update the kernel to a new one first,how to do this ? |
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| 15:48.13 | stew | bliss1_: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 15:48.14 | piko | yes I read it and I hope that there is someone who was successfull |
| 15:48.17 | Z_God | I updated my Debian Etch to the latest stuff yesterday, but now the fonts in NXClient are extremely small |
| 15:48.25 | Z_God | any idea what could be wrong? |
| 15:48.35 | bliss1_ | stew ok thanks |
| 15:48.39 | stew | !debwiki piko Xorg69To7 |
| 15:48.40 | dpkg | piko: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 15:48.41 | abrotman | kspath: binary driver! |
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| 15:48.45 | Z_God | the program seems to depend on libXft and libfreetype |
| 15:48.45 | piko | Braindead: I am able to run it, but not with glx support |
| 15:48.51 | jethro | piko: I had problems, not on a 64bit arch, but reinstalling nvidia-glx did the trick |
| 15:49.05 | gclug | is there a deb pacakge for mod_rewrite for apache ? |
| 15:49.17 | abrotman | it's probably in the apache package |
| 15:49.25 | piko | jethro: do you mean problem with loading glx? |
| 15:49.26 | abrotman | apt-cache search mod rewrite |
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| 15:49.38 | piko | err, with running GLX applications? |
| 15:49.39 | jethro | piko: does xorg complain about not being able to find the nvidia driver? |
| 15:49.43 | piko | no |
| 15:49.46 | stew | mod_rewrite should be in apache[2]-common |
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| 15:50.04 | wireddd | any idea why my second video card looks screwed up if the only thing that changes is the kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.16? |
| 15:50.14 | piko | jethro: Xorg run, but problem is in running OpenGL program |
| 15:50.17 | jethro | piko: let me boot my laptop and I'll tell you if I can rrun glx apps :) |
| 15:50.32 | piko | jethro: OK |
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| 15:51.31 | bliss1_ | stew; ok I have read what dpkg says and i have both 386 and 686 already based on my CPU |
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| 15:51.50 | piko | jethro: I tried ppracer |
| 15:51.52 | stew | bliss1_: so apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 15:52.25 | bliss1_ | stew; i did that already so i am up to date? |
| 15:52.27 | AIRAC | Begin: Mounting root file system... ... |
| 15:52.27 | AIRAC | Begin: Running /scripts/local-top ... |
| 15:52.27 | AIRAC | Done. |
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| 15:52.40 | stew | bliss1_: yeah, "uname -r" should say 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 15:52.47 | rohan | sudo alsaconf takes a LONG time at "building card database" is it a known problem ? or any mistake from my part ? |
| 15:52.54 | AIRAC | Grr |
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| 15:53.17 | bliss1_ | stew: yep thats it |
| 15:53.24 | gclug | hmm, it seems my apache modules.conf file lists mod_rewrite, and the mod_rewrite.so file exists, but it doesnt seem to be working |
| 15:53.43 | AIRAC | After a apt-get upgrade my kernel won't boot anymore, root filesystem can't be found/mounted :S ? |
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| 15:54.43 | AIRAC | Google didn't really help |
| 15:54.47 | AIRAC | Any ideas? |
| 15:54.52 | stew | AIRAC: what kernel did you upgrade to? |
| 15:55.02 | bliss1_ | stew :so just change my sources list from stable to testing and apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 15:55.03 | AIRAC | 2.6... |
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| 15:55.12 | AIRAC | Using etch |
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| 15:55.12 | Kraig | are the problems with fonts already fixed in Xorg 7.0 ? |
| 15:55.26 | stew | bliss1_: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:56.10 | AIRAC | Luckily I installed a second kernel image |
| 15:56.27 | Super_Trainer | who use last xfce4.4beta1 ? (i've some problem ti install it) |
| 15:56.28 | AIRAC | Problem occurs with 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 15:56.32 | jethro | piko: installer ppracer, had no problem with the tools in mesa-utils |
| 15:56.34 | rohan | incomplete msg, stew -- subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour ho -- ho what ? |
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| 15:56.39 | AIRAC | I tried installing the 686 next to it, same problem on that one |
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| 15:56.49 | AIRAC | Only functioning is 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 15:56.53 | libro_ | ola |
| 15:56.55 | jethro | piko: can you read in Xorg.O.log that the glx loads fine? |
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| 15:57.53 | piko | jethro: mmt |
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| 15:58.14 | hada | ola |
| 15:58.24 | hada | alguien de granada |
| 15:58.30 | azeem | !es |
| 15:58.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:58.42 | piko | jethro: hell, no |
| 15:58.53 | hada | #debian-es |
| 15:58.55 | piko | (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" |
| 15:58.56 | piko | (WW) Warning, couldn't open module GLcore |
| 15:58.56 | piko | (II) UnloadModule: "GLcore" |
| 15:58.56 | piko | (II) UnloadModule: "glx" |
| 15:58.56 | piko | (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
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| 15:59.15 | Kraig | piko: use #flood |
| 15:59.19 | piko | pardon all |
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| 16:00.36 | piko | jethro: It is it, but I don't know why |
| 16:00.38 | Kraig | if Xorg 7.0 read the topic. |
| 16:01.05 | AbsTradELic | I like to know about the isos cds necessary to install debian in a ppc. can anyonet tel me? |
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| 16:01.31 | hada | hello |
| 16:01.37 | piko | I know, I know, do you think that it is so unstable? It can not load GLcore, hmm |
| 16:01.53 | hada | can you speak sapanish |
| 16:01.58 | Kraig | piko: try commenting GLcore and glx |
| 16:01.59 | azeem | hada: #debian-es |
| 16:02.12 | azeem | hada: /join #debian-es |
| 16:02.14 | Kraig | in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, just in case |
| 16:02.21 | hada | #debian-es |
| 16:02.23 | piko | Kraig: but I need it |
| 16:02.23 | Kraig | and yeah, is THAT unstable. |
| 16:02.34 | Kraig | that's why it's called unstable |
| 16:02.50 | piko | Kraig: I am able to run xorg, but not glx |
| 16:02.58 | Kraig | piko: /topic |
| 16:02.59 | kspath | hada: /join #debian-es |
| 16:03.13 | Kraig | !spanish |
| 16:03.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:03.31 | Kraig | enough clues to join #debian-es ? |
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| 16:03.58 | piko | Kraig: Yes, so for glx I need to downgrade ... |
| 16:04.13 | wireddd | yeah |
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| 16:04.43 | piko | Please, before I do, is there anyone running nvidia with glx in Xorg 7? |
| 16:05.15 | Kraig | not me :S |
| 16:05.19 | jethro | piko: I am. |
| 16:05.19 | cheal | piko: most likely |
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| 16:05.43 | piko | jethro: so you can run eg ppracer with no problem? |
| 16:05.56 | jethro | yes |
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| 16:06.50 | piko | jethro: If so, then can you post me your xorg.conf? |
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| 16:07.06 | jethro | piko: not now, I switched the laptop off |
| 16:07.13 | piko | ahhh |
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| 16:07.23 | any | rr |
| 16:07.26 | any | Hi |
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| 16:07.35 | samuel | does debian come with a built in hex viewer? |
| 16:07.40 | jethro | piko: hold on a sec |
| 16:08.01 | Super_Trainer | samuel i don't think |
| 16:08.02 | cheal | piko: it would be easier to follow the guide when you install than copying someone's X config |
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| 16:08.19 | any | How can I make package from control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and debian-binary with ar. |
| 16:08.26 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- does anyone know what RRFlow is? |
| 16:08.32 | SexyKen | Or Rflow |
| 16:09.04 | Super_Trainer | SexyKen google -> RRFlow? |
| 16:09.09 | any | I don't understand anything at the ar mapage. |
| 16:09.10 | piko | cheal: yes, but I tried some ways : module-assistant or the original driver from nvidia, no succes |
| 16:09.37 | cheal | samuel: depends what you mean by "built in" |
| 16:09.53 | SexyKen | Super_Trainer: I did -- not a lot of useful info. did you? |
| 16:10.12 | samuel | cheal, installed by default... i know there is a tonne, but just wondering if there are any installed by default |
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| 16:10.33 | cheal | piko: I'm referring to following the NVIDIA graphics drivers page on wiki.d.o |
| 16:10.57 | piko | ok, I can try again |
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| 16:12.06 | cheal | samuel: hexdump should be installed by default, if you consider that a "viewer" |
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| 16:12.32 | dazjorz | Can one user be added to multiple groups? |
| 16:12.43 | bbrazil | dazjorz: up to 20 by default |
| 16:12.51 | dazjorz | okay |
| 16:12.55 | dazjorz | how do I add a user to a new group? |
| 16:12.57 | any | any idea ? |
| 16:13.13 | samuel | cheal, good enough, thanks |
| 16:13.21 | bbrazil | dazjorz: useradd user group |
| 16:13.31 | dazjorz | bbrazil: even if the user already exists? |
| 16:13.33 | Ungy | how can I get ln's to show up in an ftp client when a user connects to my box via a client to my proftpd daemon |
| 16:13.54 | cheal | dazjorz: man adduser |
| 16:13.55 | bbrazil | *adduser |
| 16:13.55 | piko | cheal: This looks interesting ... |
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| 16:14.24 | bbrazil | Ungy: there's followsymlinks option or somesuch iirc |
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| 16:14.39 | SexyKen | Anyone know what will display rflow information via http? |
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| 16:14.45 | Ungy | bbrazil sweet thanks |
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| 16:15.06 | dazjorz | thanks, bbrazil, cheal |
| 16:15.54 | jethro | piko: that's the xorg.conf I use : http://jethro.docisland.org/xorg.conf |
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| 16:17.23 | piko | jethro: Thanks |
| 16:17.43 | bliss1_ | stew : just one last question before i start and thats about "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf just correct me thats two entires in /sbin/update -grub and one in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 16:17.59 | Eulex | jethro, four monitors? impressive setup |
| 16:18.02 | kspath | SexyKen: That is not a debian question. Use search engines and take the time to learn. |
| 16:18.16 | jethro | Eulex: I'm obviously not using the 4 at once |
| 16:18.22 | Eulex | jethro, ah, ok |
| 16:18.33 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, im't trying to install woody using the two first diskettes, but when I inserted the root diskette I got this ouput: Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 02:00 |
| 16:18.41 | SexyKen | kspath: So helpful -- thanks. I was hoping someone would have an idea that they've used on a Debian system...duh. |
| 16:19.06 | Eulex | jethro, how many do you use at once? |
| 16:19.08 | kspath | SexyKen: maybe try apt-cache search rflow |
| 16:19.14 | jethro | Eulex: just read serverlayout :) |
| 16:19.18 | jethro | Eulex: up to 2 |
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| 16:19.34 | jethro | Eulex: but most of the time, just the laptop's wuxga |
| 16:19.55 | stew | bliss1_: if you run grub you should have "update-grub' in the postinst and preinst hooks of kernel-img.conf, if you do, "update-grub" will be run whenever you install or remove a kenrel, making sure your menu.lst is up to date |
| 16:20.03 | Eulex | jethro, ah, ok. that's a dell laptop? only brand I've seen which has 1920x1200 laptops |
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| 16:20.16 | jethro | Eulex: yes it's a d800 |
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| 16:20.27 | CodeWarrior_ | hello folks ! I bought an AMD Athlon 64 3000+, and I'm in doubt about install Debian 32 or 64 on it. The main use of that machine is to desktop stuff. What can you tell me about that ? |
| 16:20.59 | Eulex | jethro, ah, ok |
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| 16:21.21 | AnAnt | what is that Fake start-stop-daemon ?! |
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| 16:21.33 | kspath | SexyKen: Using search engines I found several useful things. I took some time to look through the output from the search engines. |
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| 16:21.53 | dazjorz | okay, now i've got a group with all users that could put a file in the directory I want to limit |
| 16:22.00 | Eulex | CodeWarrior_, if in doubt, run the 32-bit version. the 64-bit is not stable yet; it was just added as a release arch to etch recently |
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| 16:22.11 | swoke | hello. |
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| 16:22.30 | swoke | How can I block a package version from upgrading ? |
| 16:22.37 | Eulex | !hold |
| 16:22.37 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 16:22.40 | dazjorz | okay, now i've got a group with all users that could put a file in the directory I want to limit... if I set a group quota now, would it really make a size limit to all the users? |
| 16:22.40 | jethro | swoke: you hold it |
| 16:22.51 | swoke | jethro: how to ? |
| 16:22.57 | jethro | swoke: what dpkg said |
| 16:22.59 | CodeWarrior_ | Eulex, do you know if using the 32 bits version, can I develop to 64bit (using GCC) ? |
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| 16:23.37 | bliss1_ | stew;so just run update-grub before install and after ? |
| 16:23.38 | cheal | CodeWarrior_: #debian-amd64 will know better |
| 16:23.51 | Eulex | CodeWarrior_, yes, most C code runs fine on both 32-bit and 64-bit cpus. if you mean that you'd want to cross-compile, nice cross-compilers are available on speedblue.org |
| 16:24.02 | bliss1_ | stew; might have got that wrong? |
| 16:24.15 | CodeWarrior_ | ah nice ! thanks Eulex |
| 16:24.21 | CodeWarrior_ | cheal: thanks for the tip |
| 16:25.16 | Eulex | CodeWarrior_, yw :) just be aware that an int might be both 32 and 64-bit, depending on system |
| 16:25.22 | stew | bliss1_: no, they will be run for you |
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| 16:25.38 | dazjorz | how do I set a group quota on a directory? |
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| 16:25.39 | piko | cheal: That was it |
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| 16:25.59 | cheal | piko: so commenting GLcore fixed? |
| 16:25.59 | bbrazil | dazjorz: you can only set group quotas per-filesystem |
| 16:26.14 | piko | cheal: Thanks for the wiki, the problem was solved with addition of new location of libraries |
| 16:26.18 | bliss1_ | stew: yes i see those lines are already in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 16:26.18 | piko | cheal: yes |
| 16:26.24 | piko | cheal: no |
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| 16:26.47 | piko | cheal: It needed to add on eparameter |
| 16:26.55 | dazjorz | bbrazil: Not for an individual folder? |
| 16:26.57 | bliss1_ | stew: are useing etch? |
| 16:26.57 | dazjorz | >.< |
| 16:27.11 | cheal | piko: a parameter to what? |
| 16:27.21 | piko | jethro: it is on the wiki, ... mmt |
| 16:27.53 | piko | cheal: --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/ |
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| 16:28.21 | bbrazil | dazjorz: no |
| 16:28.23 | Fox_1_ | can anyone look to my prostfix config files and say what's rong? |
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| 16:29.09 | kspath | Fox_1_: There is a #postfix which might be the best way to get help with postfix. |
| 16:29.15 | Knight_Lord | Fox_1_ mabe yo9u'll hav emore luck with postfix |
| 16:29.52 | Arnald | did debian stop providing a default apache home page? |
| 16:29.52 | kspath | Fox_1_: There are also postfix mailing lists and website and likely a wiki or two and other postfix howto/help sites. |
| 16:29.53 | cheal | piko: ah, so your issue would be related to using nvidia-installer |
| 16:29.58 | Fox_1_ | in #postfix they are all slipping. no talks. |
| 16:30.09 | cheal | piko: but you should thanks jethro instead of me in this case anyway |
| 16:30.11 | kspath | !slip |
| 16:30.12 | dpkg | slip is, like, (Serial Line Internet Protocol) A protocol used to connect your computer to the Internet using serial connection. |
| 16:30.16 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 16:30.16 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:30.25 | kspath | Fox_1_: sleeping? |
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| 16:30.39 | Fox_1_ | it's work (postfix), but some functions doesn't work. |
| 16:30.45 | kspath | Fox_1_: Why would #debian be a good place for #postfix type questions? |
| 16:30.48 | Fox_1_ | kspath, :) yes :) |
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| 16:31.14 | Fox_1_ | kspath, first i have asked in #postfix |
| 16:31.29 | Arnald | what package is the debian apache home page in? |
| 16:31.31 | dazjorz | Fox_1_: #postfix takes a while, but they do answer after a while |
| 16:31.35 | kspath | Fox_1_: That does not change the #debian policy. |
| 16:31.37 | dazjorz | speak to the one who set the /topic |
| 16:31.54 | Fox_1_ | but they didn't answer me, so i ask here. |
| 16:32.11 | dazjorz | Fox_1_: what's the problem? |
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| 16:32.23 | kspath | Fox_1_: That does not mean that it is ok to ask other channels that are not for postfix. |
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| 16:32.56 | Arnald | I suppose a blank page is better than leaving /var/www open . . . |
| 16:33.06 | kspath | Fox_1_: If my apache config is broken and I am incapable of understanding why does that mean I can ask #debian after asking #apache? |
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| 16:33.30 | Fox_1_ | dazjorz, i couldn't configure postfix with mysql and sasl. |
| 16:33.38 | Fox_1_ | kspath, yes, you can. |
| 16:33.47 | kspath | Fox_1_: You are incorrect. |
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| 16:34.39 | kspath | Fox_1_: There are effective howtos on the net for postfix with mysql and sasl. They may/not be debian specific but you need to learn. |
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| 16:34.48 | Fox_1_ | kspath, because here can be someone who know how to resolve your problem |
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| 16:35.12 | Ronin | think your banging your head on the wall kspath |
| 16:35.49 | kspath | Fox_1_: There are people in here that are experts in Chemistry and Physics and Mathematics and Accounting and Computing in general. That does not however change #debian policy to allow for them to start assisting with non-debian questions. |
| 16:35.53 | Fox_1_ | kspath, i have read about 10 howtos and manuals, but they aren't help, i do like they write, but it didn't work. |
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| 16:36.35 | dazjorz | fox_1_: |
| 16:36.44 | dazjorz | Fox_1_: check www.howtoforge.com it has a great guide on that |
| 16:36.47 | Fox_1_ | kspath, what do you mean when you say debian or non-debian questin? |
| 16:36.52 | dazjorz | Fox_1_: including TLS, virtual users, etcetera |
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| 16:38.00 | dazjorz | Fox_1_: He means a question that's about debian itself, or a package on debian. |
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| 16:38.39 | Fox_1_ | postfix is a packege on debian:) |
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| 16:38.48 | kspath | Fox_1_: If you can say that the postfix debian package failed to install. OR You want to know if there is a postfix-mysql-sasl package than that is a debian question. |
| 16:39.27 | Fox_1_ | so, is there a postfix-mysql-sasl package in debian? |
| 16:39.29 | dazjorz | Fox_1_: Yes, so your question is not about Debian itself, it's about a _package_ on debian. As there is a channel for that package |
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| 16:39.44 | kspath | Fox_1_: Configurations other than base/basic install configs are not normally supported. Only very special cases. |
| 16:39.45 | dazjorz | Fox_1_: If you can't find it, it's probably not there. And you didn't even check out the link I gave you. |
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| 16:40.15 | locus | hello, I have a host that has mixed stable/testing (with default to stable) packages installed...is there any way to check the release version of each installed package? (dpkg -l doesnt really show that) |
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| 16:40.28 | Fox_1_ | i'm looking |
| 16:40.44 | kspath | locus: does dpkg -I tell you what you want? |
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| 16:41.40 | Fox_1_ | i didn't knwo english so well that I can understand the nnuanses of configuration |
| 16:41.49 | Fox_1_ | knwo=know |
| 16:42.02 | kspath | Fox_1_: nuances? |
| 16:42.20 | locus | kspath, not really..doesnt -I display information about a .deb file? |
| 16:42.25 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 16:42.29 | nkuttler | locus: apt-cache policy |
| 16:42.31 | kspath | locus: You are correct. |
| 16:42.41 | Eulex | locus, depends on what info you want. |
| 16:43.05 | cheal | locus: apt-show-versions |
| 16:43.17 | kspath | locus: apt-file can give interesting information as well. apt-get install apt-file |
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| 16:44.00 | kspath | locus: Not sure how a mixed setup will be dealt with or if apt-file will deal with it at all. |
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| 16:44.25 | locus | thanks for all the tips |
| 16:44.26 | minerale | What is the command line equivalent of System>Administration>Network Setting>Select eth0>"enable this connection",activate,"DHCP"? |
| 16:44.38 | locus | cheal, thanks thats exactly what i was looking for |
| 16:44.55 | kspath | minerale: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:45.12 | nkuttler | minerale: run dhclient, later man interfaces |
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| 16:50.05 | lpb-oberon | alias uname\ -m="echo x86" => -bash: alias: `uname -m': invalid alias name |
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| 16:50.34 | lpb-oberon | is there a way to set an alias for an command when a certain paramter is passed? |
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| 16:52.29 | Unetixs | hey all, I'm having a problem with DHCP. I can't get any leases, even on a known good line straight to my switch. The problem started when I couldn't DHCP with my wireless card (using ndiswrapper), I thought it was an ndiswrapper problem but now I'm not so sure. I tried to DHCP today over eth0 (a normal cat5 connection to a switch) when it was disconnected, and ever since I can't DHCP to anything. Has anyone ever had a problem like th |
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| 16:55.09 | nvz | lpb-oberon: no, you wouldnt want two commands with the same name anyhow |
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| 16:56.20 | ubu | hallo, gibt es hier jmd. der sich mit Hylafax auskennt und mir helfen könnte, dies zum laufen zu bringen? |
| 16:56.28 | nkuttler | !de |
| 16:56.28 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 16:56.31 | nvz | !de |
| 16:56.35 | nvz | :( |
| 16:56.38 | ubu | ok |
| 16:56.42 | ubu | sorry |
| 16:57.06 | nvz | just takes me longer to identify phonics I guess :P |
| 16:57.22 | Unetixs | nobody really around today, huh? |
| 16:57.34 | Unetixs | that's a shame. I guess it is monday |
| 16:57.41 | Knight_Lord | How do i get apt to overwrite files from other packages? |
| 16:57.43 | nvz | I dont assume based on one word.. cause many languages seem similar I actually take a minute to examine grammar |
| 16:57.49 | Knight_Lord | What's the command line option? |
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| 16:59.02 | lpb-oberon | nvz: i needed to change the behavior of uname to install nvidia-graphics-driver to my 32bit chroot - the installation failed because of the wrong arch. so i used a small shellscript to replace uname. but alias uname\ -n=foobar would have been nicer:) |
| 16:59.09 | nvz | Knight_Lord: a package isnt allowed to do such a thing as its against policy for two packages to contain the same file and not conflict |
| 16:59.30 | FaithX | mmturk or eAccelerator which to chose? |
| 16:59.43 | Knight_Lord | nvz yea i know but how to i allow? |
| 16:59.51 | Knight_Lord | I basically want to turn on --force-overwrite on dpkg |
| 16:59.59 | Knight_Lord | from the apt side |
| 17:00.16 | nvz | I would not even attempt such a thing |
| 17:00.22 | Knight_Lord | i know there is an -o for it but i don't know what it is |
| 17:00.24 | lpb-oberon | Knight_Lord: be carful with the force option:) |
| 17:00.30 | azzo | the 3.1r1a installer doesn't seem to understand RAID1 very well. I've tried several partitioning schemes and get either /dev/md/0p1 not found (which indeed it isn't there) or kernel doesn't recognize changes to the partition table on the RAID volume. Is there a way with this CD to setup RAID? |
| 17:00.34 | lpb-oberon | care:) |
| 17:00.41 | nvz | I wouldnt want a package installed and overwrite its files with another.. it could be disasterous |
| 17:00.47 | Knight_Lord | lpb-oberon it's a stupid packaging bug in sid |
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| 17:01.25 | Knight_Lord | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libhypre1.6.0c2_1.6.0-4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 17:01.30 | lpb-oberon | rebuild the package yourself:) |
| 17:01.30 | Knight_Lord | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libHYPRE_DistributedMatrix.so.1.6.0', which is also in package libhypre1.6.0 |
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| 17:02.26 | anabelen | hola |
| 17:02.35 | zumbi | !es |
| 17:02.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:02.49 | Knight_Lord | lpb-oberon i just removed it |
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| 17:03.03 | green_earz | azzo: http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
| 17:03.51 | azzo | thanks. I'll give it a read. Didn't see it in google |
| 17:04.05 | green_earz | np |
| 17:04.32 | Unetixs | hey all, I'm having a problem with DHCP. I can't get any leases, even on a known good line straight to my switch. The problem started when I couldn't DHCP with my wireless card (using ndiswrapper), I thought it was an ndiswrapper problem but now I'm not so sure. I tried to DHCP today over eth0 (a normal cat5 connection to a switch) when it was disconnected, and ever since I can't DHCP to anything. Has anyone ever had a problem like th |
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| 17:10.17 | btaylor5619 | Can someone here answer a question for me? |
| 17:10.24 | Super_Trainer | shoot |
| 17:10.46 | btaylor5619 | Do you know of any anti-spyware utilities for Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 17:11.05 | quitte | btaylor5619: yes. dont install spyware |
| 17:11.23 | btaylor5619 | you say that because there IS no such utility...? |
| 17:11.40 | kspath | btaylor5619: anti-spyware is almost entirely based on M$ OS environments and some issues with MacOSX. |
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| 17:11.53 | quitte | btaylor5619: i don't know. but then i dont know how you would get spyware on your system anyways |
| 17:12.11 | btaylor5619 | right |
| 17:12.14 | seba | just install 'cerfified' packages |
| 17:12.18 | zinx | btaylor5619: there are utilities, but they are for detecting win32 spyware. |
| 17:12.24 | kspath | btaylor5619: You are assuming some kind of need perhaps? |
| 17:12.27 | nvz | wtf is spyware anyhow other than something commercial companies create to sell more commercial software |
| 17:12.48 | zinx | nvz: that is totally not what spyware is |
| 17:12.56 | kspath | btaylor5619: Maybe you want anti-virus and/or filtering of some kind? |
| 17:13.39 | nvz | zinx: umm yeah it is.. they are gathering marketing information and scaring or manipulating people into buying things |
| 17:13.42 | btaylor5619 | Why not? I am sure my Debian-based distribution (Ubuntu) could use some anti-virus software. |
| 17:14.34 | kspath | btaylor5619: Anti-virus is NOT Anti-spyware. |
| 17:14.34 | nvz | I dont want to talk about ubuntu or I would be in #ubuntu |
| 17:14.34 | zinx | nvz: but it's not software they're peddling |
| 17:14.34 | zinx | nvz: at least, not exclusively |
| 17:14.34 | kspath | btaylor5619: Have you thought about security for dummies series of book(s)? |
| 17:14.34 | btaylor5619 | i didn't say it was |
| 17:14.43 | nvz | zinx: they are pushing the anti- software that stops them from pushing the other shit |
| 17:14.47 | zamaliphe | any one have any idea how to start konversation in system tray ?? |
| 17:14.51 | zinx | nvz: and they're not selling their own wares using it, generally |
| 17:14.56 | btaylor5619 | ok |
| 17:15.03 | kspath | zamaliphe: KDE system tray? |
| 17:15.08 | cahoot | btaylor5619: might read this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/04/msg02851.html |
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| 17:16.01 | zamaliphe | kspath: yes start the prog in systetem tray |
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| 17:16.49 | kspath | zamaliphe: I do not use/run KDE really. Just trying to clarify your question so that others that might be able to help know enough details. |
| 17:17.34 | zamaliphe | ok |
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| 17:18.31 | kspath | zamaliphe: Some people run KDE applications without the entire KDE environment and have a different "equivalent" of KDE system tray that may or may not be compatible. |
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| 17:19.01 | mfrisch | What is a good pci wifi g card?? |
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| 17:19.23 | kspath | mfrisch: With some support in Debian Stable? |
| 17:19.36 | pjz | is there a source for canonical md5sums of the contents of all the packages? |
| 17:19.44 | mfrisch | kspath amd64 unstable |
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| 17:19.59 | pjz | like of the files in all the packages, not of the packages themselves |
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| 17:20.48 | pjz | an md5 for every line in Contents-*.gz |
| 17:20.52 | kspath | mfrisch: I was asking more specifically because your question was a hardware question originally but if you specify with AMD64 unstable support than perhaps that is your excuse to ask it in #debian. |
| 17:21.04 | zinx | pjz: check out debsums |
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| 17:21.15 | zinx | pjz: the md5sums are in the .deb, i *think* |
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| 17:22.45 | mfrisch | kspath I asked here because I use Debian, but really because I allways get good hardware advice here, mainly because if they at least know to use Debian, their opions on hardware are ok |
| 17:22.47 | stew | pjz: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.md5sums |
| 17:22.51 | kspath | mfrisch: Consider also asking that sort of question in the appropriate debian mailing lists because there might be people that can answer it that are asleep now. |
| 17:22.52 | pjz | zinx: thanks |
| 17:22.55 | pjz | stew: ah! thanks |
| 17:23.14 | mfrisch | kspath THANKS |
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| 17:24.25 | nvz | zinx: the whole idea of spyware, or any malware is just obsurd to me. it seems _certain_ designers purposly make their software vulernable to attacks and others try not to leave such oppertunities |
| 17:24.45 | GNU_Style | who has webcam? |
| 17:24.47 | GNU_Style | PM me |
| 17:24.52 | nvz | haha |
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| 17:25.07 | nvz | this isnt Yahoo! or AOL chat here |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | GNU_Style: wrong channel |
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| 17:25.23 | kspath | GNU_Style: a/s/l ? |
| 17:25.24 | ribnitz | heyas people. |
| 17:25.26 | kspath | hehehe |
| 17:25.28 | Ronin | arrghh, have to waste a full day tomorrow at some bogus IT conference |
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| 17:25.49 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 17:25.52 | zamaliphe | any one have any idea how to start konversation to make it start only in the system tray ??? |
| 17:26.01 | kspath | Ronin: M$ Security Conference? |
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| 17:26.27 | Ronin | kspath: i wish, wireless, applications, management |
| 17:26.33 | Ronin | going to be a battle to stay awake |
| 17:26.46 | cheal | zamaliphe: looks like a question for #debian-kde/#konversation |
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| 17:27.23 | bliss1_ | anybody having trouble with this line in etch sources.lst? deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
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| 17:27.48 | nvz | bliss1_: you are, and I can see why |
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| 17:28.00 | nvz | bliss1_: maybe its because its a malformed source |
| 17:28.20 | Brox | how is the program called that lets you build a pppoe connection while installing debian? |
| 17:28.25 | bliss1_ | nvz: ok how is this corrected |
| 17:28.29 | nvz | nobody else would even try such a thing |
| 17:28.34 | ribnitz | I am looking for a foolproof webmail client (in php), that can be plugged onto a pop3 hosting thing. |
| 17:28.54 | nvz | bliss1_: there is no main... etc in a security repo |
| 17:28.58 | nvz | bliss1_: that is not a normal source |
| 17:29.09 | kspath | ribnitz: foolproof? Do you mean something a moron can not screw up while installing? |
| 17:29.10 | pjz | ribnitz: no such thing as a foolproof webmail client - fools are too smart |
| 17:29.21 | nvz | bliss1_: only thing in there is security updates |
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| 17:29.35 | bliss1_ | nvz: ok is it testing not main |
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| 17:30.13 | ribnitz | kspath: No, more like I have fools using the tool. |
| 17:30.52 | ribnitz | was thinking about ilohamail.. |
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| 17:31.53 | faif | Any adsl channel? |
| 17:31.53 | kspath | ribnitz: apt-cache search keyword then get some fools lined up to test. |
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| 17:32.22 | eKLiPSe05 | [_JcR_]: :o |
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| 17:32.32 | AnAnt | can someone please DCC me his /sbin/start-stop-daemon? |
| 17:33.06 | seba_newbie | I need an image thumbnailer in Debian. I was googling but nothing clear. I do apt-get search ... but nothing clear. |
| 17:33.32 | seba_newbie | apt-cache search ... sorry |
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| 17:33.37 | htrp | how do you let nmap for specific range and port? |
| 17:33.42 | htrp | i tried man nmap |
| 17:33.50 | htrp | but i couldn't understand it |
| 17:34.15 | jor | htrp: try nmapfe |
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| 17:34.26 | stew | AnAnt: apt-get install --reinstall dpkg |
| 17:34.42 | AnAnt | stew: thx |
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| 17:36.25 | AnAnt | stew: it worked |
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| 17:38.09 | niklas | hi, i have some problems when trying to install the drivers for my ATI Radeon 9600. |
| 17:38.30 | htrp | jor? |
| 17:38.41 | bliss1_ | stew;whats the line in sources.lst for etch for security --dpkg offered this but its not correct according to nvz deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:38.54 | kspath | htrp: Did you try to search for nmapfe? |
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| 17:39.31 | wendyk | hello.. Does anyone run GNOME splash screens in Debian? |
| 17:39.36 | stew | bliss1_: that is correct |
| 17:39.40 | avtobiff | wendyk, i did |
| 17:39.45 | htrp | kspath: yeah |
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| 17:39.48 | bliss1_ | stew: thanks |
| 17:39.54 | jor | htrp: nmapfe is a GUI frontend for nmap, apt-get install nmapfe |
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| 17:40.03 | htrp | oh really |
| 17:40.05 | htrp | thanks |
| 17:40.17 | wendyk | avtobiff, can u please shed some light as to how I can go about it? |
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| 17:40.43 | avtobiff | wendyk, i think you can just change it in some control panel. that is what i did. |
| 17:40.54 | avtobiff | dont know now. dont use gnome at the moment |
| 17:41.08 | wendyk | wendyk, i went to gnome-look.org but there are no visible instructions. I tried finding that "control panel" that changes splash screens.. NO idea where it is :-) |
| 17:41.12 | Ronin | avtobiff: likelydont reboot often enough to want a splash screen too i bet |
| 17:41.31 | wendyk | avtobiff, oh ok.. never mind then but thanks :-) |
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| 17:41.40 | Poppy | salut |
| 17:41.54 | Poppy | qui parle francais ? |
| 17:41.58 | Shadowcat | !fr |
| 17:41.58 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr. People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:41.59 | Ronin | !fr |
| 17:42.02 | Ronin | doh |
| 17:42.07 | Shadowcat | too slow |
| 17:42.09 | kspath | !tell Poppy about fr |
| 17:42.15 | avtobiff | Ronin, eeh. actually no i dont reboot that often :-) |
| 17:42.18 | Ronin | Shadowcat: well i am a govt worker |
| 17:42.30 | Shadowcat | Ronin: that's not an excuse |
| 17:42.30 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 17:42.32 | kspath | Ronin: government? |
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| 17:42.36 | xFred_ | hi; I'm using sarge (testing) with linux-image-2.6.16-1-686-smp and I get my system freezing whenever I try to run MIDI programs (e.g. Rosegarden) with snd-mpu401 module loaded. Any clue or known bug about that ? |
| 17:42.39 | avtobiff | why not #debian.fr ? |
| 17:42.55 | kspath | avtobiff: Try it. |
| 17:43.01 | Poppy | non c'est pour savoir si vous connaicé "OpenVMS" ? |
| 17:43.08 | avtobiff | kspath, what? why? |
| 17:43.12 | kspath | Poppy: This is an English channel. |
| 17:43.14 | Ronin | kspath: yep |
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| 17:43.40 | kspath | Poppy: /join #debian-fr or maybe /join #debian.fr |
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| 17:44.28 | kspath | avtobiff: why not #debian.fr ? Try it. Try /join #debian.fr |
| 17:44.44 | avtobiff | kspath, yes. it "does not work"? |
| 17:44.44 | Poppy | ok |
| 17:44.47 | avtobiff | or wthat? |
| 17:44.49 | avtobiff | -t |
| 17:44.57 | kspath | avtobiff: Did you try it? |
| 17:45.05 | avtobiff | kspath, yes? |
| 17:45.17 | avtobiff | it was teh crap |
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| 17:45.34 | azeem | avtobiff: what was crap? |
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| 17:45.42 | avtobiff | #debian.fr ? |
| 17:45.44 | kspath | Does a question mark indicate a question in your native language? |
| 17:45.50 | azeem | avtobiff: was that a question? |
| 17:45.52 | seba_newbie | Hi. does someone know an image thumbnailer. I thumbnail pictures with gimp, but it's a little cumbersome to manually process an entire directory. |
| 17:45.59 | avtobiff | azeem, no? |
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| 17:46.10 | azeem | avtobiff: why do you add question marks then? |
| 17:46.11 | avtobiff | kspath, yes? |
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| 17:46.29 | avtobiff | well... now i do it just to be annoying. |
| 17:46.38 | azeem | avtobiff: please stop being annoying |
| 17:46.44 | kspath | avtobiff: Are you aware that many lanuages have a punctuation mark for end of sentence? It is called a period . |
| 17:46.47 | avtobiff | but i am that "young" that people do it to declare a statement |
| 17:46.57 | avtobiff | kspath, yes? |
| 17:47.13 | azeem | avtobiff: look, if you have information why either of the two french chans is "crap", please share it |
| 17:47.16 | azeem | otherwise, shut up |
| 17:47.18 | avtobiff | i will stop the question marks now. as i see you cannot handle them ;-) |
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| 17:48.04 | avtobiff | azeem, in #debian.fr there is not a soul. and chanserv does some ownage in there. and i thought kspath new why. that, my friends, is all |
| 17:48.12 | kspath | avtobiff: Can you handle all statements and questions ending with a mark indicating a question? |
| 17:48.21 | azeem | avtobiff: what do you mean with "not a soul"? |
| 17:48.24 | Shadowcat | avtobiff: first off, it's Knew |
| 17:48.29 | avtobiff | there is no one in ther. |
| 17:48.30 | Shadowcat | secondly, since you're clearly Swedish |
| 17:48.35 | avtobiff | Shadowcat, thanks. |
| 17:48.38 | Shadowcat | why are you concerned with a French channel? |
| 17:48.38 | azeem | avtobiff: on this network? |
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| 17:48.44 | avtobiff | i am not. gees |
| 17:48.48 | avtobiff | yes |
| 17:48.54 | kspath | avtobiff: dpkg indicates #debian-fr for a reason. The reason is perhaps that it is the one that is most likely to exist and be supported? |
| 17:49.10 | Shadowcat | as we say in Sweden |
| 17:49.15 | Shadowcat | avtobiff: skaffa ett liv |
| 17:49.18 | Shadowcat | instead of trolling on IRC |
| 17:49.31 | avtobiff | and you care about me doing this. interesting. |
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| 17:49.51 | avtobiff | azeem, you see now :-) |
| 17:49.59 | avtobiff | and yes i could communicated much better. |
| 17:50.02 | avtobiff | but i didnt |
| 17:50.08 | tombs | hi all |
| 17:50.10 | avtobiff | we all have our moments. |
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| 17:50.41 | avtobiff | Shadowcat, was that swedish? |
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| 17:51.08 | kspath | avtobiff: This channel is for helping people with Debian in English. We care because we are mostly here to read and help as we can. People purposely using incorrect/invalid English can be annoying. We are donating our time. |
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| 17:51.16 | Bro1 | i can't believe that the debian netinstall cd does not have pppoeconf - how else are you supposed to get an internet connection over adsl? |
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| 17:51.32 | LSorensen | Bro1: it does in expert mode |
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| 17:51.36 | LSorensen | Bro1: I think |
| 17:51.50 | avtobiff | kspath, of course. it was stupid being stupid... my bad :-( sorry |
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| 17:52.07 | avtobiff | kspath, sincerely. |
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| 17:52.12 | LSorensen | Bro1: and many people have a router that handles it for them |
| 17:52.31 | kspath | Bro1: It has become extremely common for DSL providers to supply smart/dumb "routers/modems" as part of their service package. |
| 17:52.32 | LSorensen | Brox: or another machine to run pppoe and do masqurading for them |
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| 17:52.56 | seba_newbie | kspath: Ok, but you know the natural language of IT is English. I think English people is more in touch with IT. |
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| 17:53.11 | wajig | yaboot can't boot from OSX cd, i don't see anythin like this in bt. (system ibook g4) |
| 17:53.16 | Brox | kspath, nice to know ;). apparently i have a dumb modem |
| 17:53.17 | kspath | seba_newbie: ? |
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| 17:53.29 | stew | wajig: ask #debianppc |
| 17:53.33 | LSorensen | seba_newbie: I think it is just easier for us to pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist |
| 17:53.36 | Brox | LSorensen, nice to know - how do i get into expert mode? |
| 17:53.39 | seba_newbie | I m native spanish, but preffer to stay here. thanks |
| 17:53.41 | wajig | stew: i did |
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| 17:53.46 | LSorensen | Brox: you read the instructions at the boot: prompt |
| 17:53.51 | ma3x | hello |
| 17:53.53 | ma3x | do you know what lp0 is? |
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| 17:53.58 | Brox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.02 | LSorensen | ma3x: first parallel port printer |
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| 17:54.12 | kspath | Brox: You should be able to get it working. I am just making the default excuse for why it is not as simple as it might otherwise seem it should be. |
| 17:54.15 | LSorensen | Brox: like the hit F1 for more help |
| 17:54.32 | kspath | Brox: After you get it working like you want you can contribute methods/configs to the community. |
| 17:56.10 | kspath | seba_newbie: It is not a matter of not wanting to help people without the ability to use English correctly. It is a matter of those that can/do know better using language incorrectly with the main purpose to know though sometimes it is a mistake. |
| 17:56.48 | kspath | seba_newbie: It should be the want of those that are not expert in English to most often see the most correct English possible for practice. |
| 17:57.12 | Brox | LSorensen, if i go into expert mode and change to the console, i still can't start pppoeconf with the shell |
| 17:57.13 | stew | s/expert/experts :) |
| 17:57.21 | kspath | stew: Thank you. |
| 17:57.24 | seba_newbie | kspath: Ok, thanks. I got it. |
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| 17:58.07 | Red_Cloud | I am wanting to create a package using Synaptic. I open the File tab - Generate download package script and then navigate to the tar.gz file and save it. Then what do I do to install it? |
| 17:58.09 | kspath | seba_newbie: I failed to use commas which are normally important pauses in long sentences. |
| 17:58.12 | steve1401 | I need to build a Debian install disk for a Dell PowerEdge 1420 and 1650 server. Both are 64 Bit and have a hardware RAID (which the current boot CD doesn't recognise). All I need is a boot CD to get me to the point in the install before it asks for the CD with all the packages... |
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| 17:58.22 | Brox | where can i get pppoeconf from without getting a bigger install cd (i dont have a cd writer ready) |
| 17:58.43 | stew | steve1401: is your raid controller supported by 2.6.15 or 2.6.16? |
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| 17:59.32 | stew | Brox: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/06/msg00782.html |
| 17:59.44 | kspath | Brox: Worst case is to order the 14 CD set. Sorry I do not know a better way. Mailing lists and mailing list archives might have an answer for you as well. Note, there are those that might be able to help that might not be awake and in channel now. |
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| 17:59.55 | Brox | stew, thx |
| 18:00.01 | steve1401 | I think 2.6.16 has the drivers - I have previously been able to install with a third party disk on a seperate box for the 1420, but not with 64Bit |
| 18:00.05 | Brox | kspath, no way |
| 18:00.06 | murat | . |
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| 18:00.10 | Brox | kspath, stop helping me |
| 18:00.11 | murat | hi guys |
| 18:00.23 | Brox | stew, what is the alternative? |
| 18:00.25 | flux | bye :) |
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| 18:00.39 | ma3x | what is parport? |
| 18:00.50 | ma3x | what menas PnPBIOS parport? |
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| 18:01.02 | kspath | ma3x: Parallel port? |
| 18:01.03 | Brox | stew, i mean what is the ppp package? (how are the tools called?) |
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| 18:01.17 | wendyk | whenever i reboot my debian computer, my system takes a long time to boot because it searches for stuff in "Appletalk Services" NET: registered protocol family 5" I dont use an Apple or will never need one. IS there a way to disable such a service? |
| 18:01.18 | ma3x | kspath, what does it serve for? |
| 18:01.19 | kspath | ma3x: Plug-N-Play |
| 18:01.23 | faif | any ADSL channel? |
| 18:01.27 | ma3x | kspath, like usb? |
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| 18:01.36 | stew | Brox: read /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.pppoe |
| 18:01.58 | ma3x | kspath, are you still there? |
| 18:02.04 | Brox | stew, merci |
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| 18:02.09 | stew | de rein |
| 18:02.09 | kspath | ma3x: Parallel port was often for printers in the past and some modems. LONG before USB existed. Serial Ports are similar in that they existed before USB existed. |
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| 18:02.38 | kspath | ma3x: Please be patient. We can not all type at 200 words per minute. |
| 18:03.07 | wendyk | Also, is there a way to conceal those messages when u boot your computer, but have the option to see them? sort of like a splash screen boot for debian? |
| 18:03.22 | steve1401 | stew: what I really am after is a guide to creating my own boot disk for installing Debian and know how to get the correct drivers in there - any pointers? |
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| 18:03.30 | stew | wendyk: /msg dpkg splashy |
| 18:03.52 | faif | any ADSL channel? |
| 18:03.56 | stew | steve1401: if its supported by 2.6.15, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 ; for a custom cd /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:03.58 | kspath | wendyk: You are asking about Debian boot or hardware boot information? |
| 18:04.05 | ma3x | kspath, can I disable that "lp0: using parport0" ? |
| 18:04.07 | Red_Cloud | OK, I found out by using KPackage that I cannot install a tar.gz file. How do I make it into a .deb file? |
| 18:04.20 | kspath | ma3x: I do not know. Sorry. |
| 18:04.24 | wendyk | kspath, i believe hardware boot information...that scrolls all over your screen. |
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| 18:04.26 | Ronin | Red_Cloud: why cant you just go tar zvf etc. |
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| 18:04.33 | ma3x | anybody knows how to disable serial port? |
| 18:04.39 | ma3x | Apr 21 19:20:01 ma3x kernel: parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. |
| 18:04.39 | ma3x | Apr 21 19:20:01 ma3x kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7, dma 0 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP,DMA] |
| 18:04.40 | ma3x | Apr 21 19:20:01 ma3x kernel: lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). |
| 18:04.43 | ma3x | I get those 3 messages |
| 18:04.48 | ma3x | and then my boot stalls for 2 minutes |
| 18:04.49 | wendyk | kspath, also do I really need Appletalk services? |
| 18:04.50 | LSorensen | ma3x: that's a parallel port |
| 18:05.01 | ma3x | so how can I disable that? |
| 18:05.02 | LSorensen | ma3x: and the stall is most likely caused by what follows it |
| 18:05.17 | kspath | wendyk: There is hardware information during boot from first the machine itself then later by linux/debian. Do you know the difference? |
| 18:05.20 | ma3x | LSorensen, the next line is Apr 21 19:20:01 ma3x kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones |
| 18:05.25 | stew | ma3x: blacklist the parport_pc module /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:05.29 | LSorensen | ma3x: if you want, go into your bios and disable the parallel port there |
| 18:05.30 | tarzeau | LoRez: what and why? |
| 18:05.37 | ma3x | stew, thank you ! |
| 18:05.38 | stew | ma3x: err the parport module, rather |
| 18:05.49 | Red_Cloud | Ronin I want to be able to uninstall a package that I installed using wget. I need to be able to install it using Synaptic or KPackage so it will uninstall all of the files. |
| 18:05.53 | wendyk | kspath, oh.. you mean GRUB? yes.. that's fine.. I have a splash for grub. Now I need a splash for linux/debian |
| 18:05.55 | ma3x | stew, blacklist the 'parport' module? |
| 18:06.00 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 18:06.02 | LoRez | tarzeau: why would I want to add my picture to my bugs? so if some random stranger saw me and didn't like my bugs he could recognize and beat me? ;) |
| 18:06.09 | kspath | wendyk: I have no way to know if you need Appletalk. Running/admining a computer always requires learning. First learn what appletalk is. |
| 18:06.12 | LSorensen | ma3x: you can do that too. Just have to figure out if you use discover, hotplug or udev |
| 18:06.18 | tarzeau | LoRez: hahaha, i doubt |
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| 18:06.21 | kspath | !tell wendyk about appletalk |
| 18:06.25 | stew | or all three! |
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| 18:06.31 | LSorensen | ma3x: simple answer is turn it off in the bios, and it is gone |
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| 18:06.37 | Brox | stew, netinstall does also not have those docs |
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| 18:06.57 | kspath | OMG, dpkg does not know about appletalk. |
| 18:07.01 | ma3x | LSorensen, I don't know if laptop bios supports that |
| 18:07.05 | steve1401 | stew: Sorry, but I don't understand what your getting at by /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 ; for a custom cd /msg dpkg d-i - would you mind clarifying please |
| 18:07.13 | LSorensen | ma3x: it should. |
| 18:07.22 | wendyk | dpkg, what is appletalk? |
| 18:07.23 | dpkg | wendyk: I think you lost me on that one |
| 18:07.26 | murat | hi guys |
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| 18:07.32 | faif | Excuse me, can you help me in finding an ADSL discussion channel? Thanks. |
| 18:07.33 | murat | hi guys |
| 18:07.48 | murat | guys please visit this site http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/index.html |
| 18:07.50 | LSorensen | wendyk: an apple communications protocol for serial ports |
| 18:07.53 | Ronin | murat: no thanks |
| 18:07.54 | kspath | wendyk: There might be a different keyword. Appletalk is obviously related to Apple Computer. |
| 18:07.55 | murat | a brand new linux os |
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| 18:08.02 | murat | ronin: come on |
| 18:08.13 | LSorensen | murat: so, we already have one |
| 18:08.15 | wendyk | LSorensen, i dont need it because I dont have an Apple or connected to apple computers. |
| 18:08.17 | stalag_ | PARDUS ROCKSSSSSSSSSSS |
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| 18:08.20 | Ronin | why? im happy with debian why go to someones site who's spamming |
| 18:08.20 | murat | yeah |
| 18:08.25 | LSorensen | wendyk: sounds reasonable |
| 18:08.26 | wendyk | LSorensen, how do I disable such a service? |
| 18:08.34 | murat | but i jsut want you guys to look at it |
| 18:08.37 | murat | it really rocks |
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| 18:08.40 | LSorensen | wendyk: ehm, is it enabled? |
| 18:08.44 | murat | or come #pardus |
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| 18:08.58 | LSorensen | murat: at least debian doesn't need spam to get users |
| 18:08.59 | murat | and talk with us about new linux os |
| 18:09.14 | murat | we are not spam |
| 18:09.16 | kspath | wendyk: There are sometimes rarely dependencies in things that want appletalk for old support. |
| 18:09.21 | wendyk | LSorensen, when my computer starts it tells me: Appletalk Services NET: registered protocol family 5 (please wait..this might take a while) <---I dont want to wait but disable it. |
| 18:09.25 | LSorensen | murat: you fit the definition of spam |
| 18:09.26 | forcer | I noticed a bug in alsa here. I wanted to report a bug, but I got this: Your version of alsa-base (1.0.11-1) is newer than that in Debian! Do you still want to file a report - Huh? |
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| 18:09.43 | murat | LSorensen: ok sorry didnt wanna disturb |
| 18:09.44 | LSorensen | wendyk: you can use an alias to disable it in /etc/modprobe.d/somefile |
| 18:10.08 | wendyk | kspath, will disabling wreck my debian system? |
| 18:10.09 | LSorensen | murat: if it is new and neat, I am sure slashdot will tell us about it. :) |
| 18:10.25 | kspath | wendyk: I doubt it but I have no way to know for sure. |
| 18:10.39 | LSorensen | wendyk: I never bothered to disable it. Never did anything so why bother |
| 18:10.41 | stalag_ | ? |
| 18:11.02 | wendyk | LSorensen, because the boot takes forever... :-) |
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| 18:11.24 | ma3x | LSorensen, stew thank you a lot! |
| 18:11.27 | kspath | wendyk: Waits for timeout/failure before continuing? |
| 18:11.27 | belkin | how do i turn the sound down without using alsmixer command line ... the volume controll doesnt work ... it will turn down PCM witch is no good i need to turn down front |
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| 18:11.35 | wendyk | kspath, yes |
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| 18:11.43 | kspath | wendyk: 1 minute? |
| 18:11.52 | wendyk | kspath, about 45 secs... |
| 18:11.57 | belkin | is there anyway i set the main button .. that when i scroll down over it it will turn the volume down ? |
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| 18:12.14 | kspath | wendyk: So you define forever as 45 seconds? |
| 18:12.37 | wendyk | kspath, ok..fine. Takes a while. But is there a way to disable it? |
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| 18:12.40 | kspath | wendyk: We understand your logic in trying to trim what you do not want or need. |
| 18:13.13 | wendyk | kspath, well..yes. WHy have something you dont need in the first place Kspath? |
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| 18:14.02 | kspath | wendyk: That is a complicated question. Debian is a distribution with support for MANY things. I do not have time to explain it and likely you do not have time to listen and it would almost be off-topic. |
| 18:14.12 | murat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:15.06 | wendyk | wow..very friendly channel. :-) |
| 18:15.25 | seba_newbie | yeah ! |
| 18:16.03 | LSorensen | murat: hmm, so this thing claims to be GPL'd. So it has no X then? |
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| 18:16.26 | stew | wendyk: what version of debian? |
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| 18:16.55 | Brox | OK so netinstall seems to fail if you don't have a dhcp server waiting for you and want to build a pppoe connection - next chance for me: i could set up my laptop to be a dhcp server with windows (is that easy?) |
| 18:17.08 | wendyk | Stew, I got a netinstall testing. It works very well. :-) |
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| 18:17.31 | LSorensen | Brox: well if you run expert mode, you can ask to load the pppoeconf module |
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| 18:18.11 | stew | wendyk: ed /etc/modutils/aliases ; uncomment the line for applettalk/net-pf-5 that aliases it to off, and run update-modules |
| 18:18.33 | Brox | setting up windows to do dhcp was extremely easy - i'm all sorted out now :)) |
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| 18:18.39 | wendyk | Stew, okies.. :-) |
| 18:18.48 | murat | LSorensen: yes. if you want you can visit at http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/index.html |
| 18:18.51 | Brox | LSorensen, load with what? |
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| 18:20.07 | Brox | LSorensen, i really supicious now because you also said expert mode would have pppoeconf by default |
| 18:20.33 | Ronin | murat: stop spamming your distro |
| 18:20.45 | murat | Ronin: ok |
| 18:20.50 | LSorensen | murat: well X isn't GPL, so either the description is wrong or it doesn't include X (and many other things) |
| 18:20.55 | wendyk | stew, one last request for the day :-) |
| 18:21.09 | LSorensen | Brox: no I said export mode CAN do pppoe. It certainly doesn't by default |
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| 18:21.29 | LSorensen | Brox: pppoe is very much a special case that requires more knowledge to do |
| 18:21.41 | wendyk | stew, i am trying to install a splashy screen but apparently splashy is in the experimental Debian repositories. HOw do i get to it by apt-get install splashy ? |
| 18:22.02 | ma3x | stew, LSorensen : I've put 'parport' in /etc/hotplug/blacklist, but it still loads |
| 18:22.11 | LSorensen | ma3x: what version of debian? |
| 18:22.22 | ma3x | LSorensen, sid |
| 18:22.25 | LSorensen | ma3x: sid uses udev |
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| 18:22.36 | wendyk | stew, oops sorry.. The instructions are way down on the splashy website. :-) |
| 18:22.37 | LSorensen | ma3x: hotplug does nothing on sid |
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| 18:22.48 | ma3x | LSorensen, dpkg -l | grep dev shows nothing |
| 18:22.53 | ma3x | *udev I mean |
| 18:22.58 | LSorensen | ma3x: then you are not running an up to date sid install |
| 18:23.04 | stew | wendyk: http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/doku.php?id=installation |
| 18:23.09 | ma3x | LSorensen, yes I am |
| 18:23.25 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:23.26 | LSorensen | ma3x: well sid always installs udev along with the new kernels on the systems I have been on |
| 18:23.39 | LSorensen | ma3x: at the very least you should be using udev since hotplug isn't supported anymore |
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| 18:23.43 | ma3x | ii discover1 1.7.18 hardware identification system |
| 18:23.43 | stew | LSorensen: it doesn't always install udev |
| 18:23.48 | stew | LSorensen: and hotplug is still supported |
| 18:24.03 | murat | LSorensen: what do you mean X? |
| 18:24.14 | ma3x | but I don't have /etc/discover.conf |
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| 18:24.21 | LSorensen | murat: X.org and XFree86 are both not GPL. They are BSD/SPI/whatever license. |
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| 18:24.55 | LSorensen | murat: so a distribution as a whole can not be GPL. Only components of it can be. |
| 18:25.02 | ma3x | stew, what do I do now? I already put 'parport' in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and there is no /etc/discover.conf |
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| 18:25.16 | murat | LSorensen: yes. just like deb. also it has Xorg, right? |
| 18:25.25 | LSorensen | murat: of course. |
| 18:25.35 | stew | ma3x: you are running etch or sid? /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:25.44 | murat | LSorensen: so what is your point? |
| 18:26.00 | LSorensen | murat: the description on that site is far from correct, and rather misleading. |
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| 18:26.09 | ma3x | stew, sid. I've already said that I did the two ways that dpkg suggested |
| 18:26.14 | LSorensen | murat: perhaps they should figure that part out first. :) |
| 18:26.30 | ma3x | oh stew I didn't read that in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 18:26.45 | Brox | i like windows |
| 18:26.47 | ma3x | stew, but I don't have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist anyway |
| 18:27.01 | stew | ma3x: create it |
| 18:27.04 | kspath | Brox: I like command line. |
| 18:27.04 | LSorensen | Brox: yeah they let light into the house. Very handy. |
| 18:27.22 | ma3x | stew, and then put there 'skip parport' ? |
| 18:27.24 | wendyk | stew, thank u. Rebooting to see if it works. :-) |
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| 18:28.01 | stew | ma3x: "blacklist parport" |
| 18:28.08 | stew | ma3x: but it seems like you really hsould have that file already |
| 18:28.18 | ma3x | stew, I dont |
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| 18:28.30 | biblioteca | 2584 |
| 18:28.34 | stew | ma3x: what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 18:28.37 | ma3x | stew, ma3x:/etc/modprobe.d# ls |
| 18:28.37 | ma3x | aliases alsa-base arch arch-aliases isapnp libsane sound |
| 18:28.41 | ma3x | stew, no udev installed |
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| 18:29.46 | stew | ma3x: then it must be either hotplug or discover or /etc/modules that is loading it. you can always just move the .ko file out of the way and run depmod -a |
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| 18:30.58 | PredaGR | how is the directory stracture for /usr/share/cups/drivers and samba print$ for use with cupsaddsmb? |
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| 18:31.19 | murat | LSorensen: ok. i checked the site again and there it says Pardus has the license of GPL and i dont see anything wrong here |
| 18:31.50 | wendyk | stew, the appletalk services bit still starts when i boot debian. I did uncomment the line u mentioned earlier. IS there something else I need to do? |
| 18:32.22 | thingfish | wendyk: sysvconfig allows you to turn that off very easily. |
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| 18:32.55 | pavlix3 | . |
| 18:33.01 | pavlix3 | . |
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| 18:33.10 | murat | LSorensen: ok. i checked the site again and there it says Pardus has the license of GPL and i dont see anything wrong here |
| 18:33.23 | wendyk | thingfish, trying... :-) |
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| 18:33.52 | thingfish | wendyk: look for netatalk |
| 18:33.58 | pavlix3 | /leave |
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| 18:34.08 | wendyk | thingfish, err... I dont have sysvconfig? do i apt-get it? |
| 18:34.20 | ma3x | stew, what .ko file exactly? there are a lot of files with the name parport and .ko at the end |
| 18:34.23 | thingfish | wendyk: yes, apt-get install sysvconfig |
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| 18:34.47 | ma3x | stew: parport_serial.ko parport_pc.ko parport.ko parport_cs.ko |
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| 18:34.57 | libertad | hi all |
| 18:35.05 | libertad | I need make a webcam server |
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| 18:36.07 | libertad | And I need to know how many webcam conexions |
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| 18:36.27 | stew | ma3x: parport.ko should be enough |
| 18:36.58 | ma3x | stew, thanks , let me try it out |
| 18:37.04 | ma3x | also one more question |
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| 18:37.26 | libertad | Someone? |
| 18:37.29 | ma3x | how do I disable the fs-autocheck after the 30th time system being rebooted |
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| 18:37.36 | stew | ma3x: man tune2fs |
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| 18:37.46 | ma3x | I tried so many options, interval-settings and everything with tune2fs, but no way |
| 18:37.48 | ma3x | it still pops up |
| 18:37.54 | nvz | damn, I cant type fast enough with chips around |
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| 18:38.16 | ma3x | stew, tune2fs -c 0 /dev/hda3 ? |
| 18:38.16 | wendyk | thingfish, disabled. :-) thank u |
| 18:38.19 | libertad | I need know how to conect how many webcam to 1 pc |
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| 18:38.23 | steve1401 | If I was to install Etch, and then downgrade to Sarge (i.e. alter the sources.list to sarge and then do a dist-upgrade), would this work? We have tried this, but I have concerns that there may be dependancy problems in the future |
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| 18:38.42 | thingfish | wendyk: no problem. |
| 18:39.17 | stew | ma3x: i dunno, i haven't read the manpage |
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| 18:39.47 | ma3x | does anybody know how? |
| 18:40.08 | stew | ma3x: it must be in the manpage |
| 18:40.17 | nvz | steve1401: you cant downgrade like that |
| 18:40.41 | ma3x | stew, -C mount-count is that it? |
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| 18:41.00 | stew | < stew> ma3x: i dunno, i haven't read the manpage |
| 18:41.03 | ma3x | or is it this one -i interval-between-checks[d|m|w] |
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| 18:41.15 | ma3x | stew, ok you don't have to answer if you dont know |
| 18:41.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:41.17 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:41.25 | Ronin | steve1401: no, you can't go backwards |
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| 18:42.20 | steve1401 | nvz/Ronin: Do you know what problems will be encountered by trying? We did it, it worked, but obviously I have my concerns... |
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| 18:43.48 | nvz | steve1401: dpkg -l libc6? |
| 18:44.04 | basse | hi, after upgrading from sarge to sid, I now get "not authenticated" always when I use apt. how to fix that? it's getting annoying.. |
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| 18:45.00 | seba_newbie | ma3x: sample= tune2fs -c 60 /dev/hda2 "it's set the counter to 60 reboots" |
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| 18:45.32 | marc | Hi, is there a way to tell apt-get to just download a given package (option -d) but without its dependencies? |
| 18:45.42 | vaq | In which packages is the command "svn" in? |
| 18:45.54 | Klohunt | Im installing the latest Debian (Etch) for x86, and I got the installer to finally recognize my ethernet card (it says eth2: Nvidia ethernet controller), succesfully autoconfigured DHCP, and when it finally came time to boot from the hd, it said X wasnt installed, so I tried to but I didnt have internet! Does anyone know what could be the matter? |
| 18:46.31 | marc | vaq: subversion |
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| 18:47.23 | ma3x | seba_newbie, ok thanks |
| 18:47.57 | abrotman | Klohunt: do you have network or not now? |
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| 18:48.04 | Klohunt | Nope |
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| 18:48.23 | Klohunt | ping -c 3 www.google.com returns "unknown host www.google.com" |
| 18:48.35 | stew | Klohunt: what does "lspci -n | grep 0200:" return? |
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| 18:49.32 | wendyk | wow.. I luv Debian. So easy (with a grain of salt) |
| 18:49.39 | Klohunt | stew: nothing at all |
| 18:49.41 | abrotman | Klohunt: nslookup www.google.com ? |
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| 18:49.53 | Super_Trainer | anyone know how to setup autofs? |
| 18:49.54 | stew | Klohunt: what about "lspci | grep Ether" ? |
| 18:49.55 | abrotman | wendyk: more like a bucket of sand :) |
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| 18:50.35 | Klohunt | abrotman: connection timed out, no servers reached |
| 18:50.40 | stew | Klohunt: or "lspci -n | grep 0680" |
| 18:50.45 | wendyk | abrotman, :-) Well.. i just installed it and I am new to linux (big learning curve ahead) <--coming from the windows world. |
| 18:50.59 | StarFire | I'm trying to install debian with a netinst CD |
| 18:51.45 | Klohunt | stew: 0000:00:13.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation Ethernet Controller |
| 18:51.56 | madclicker | does anyone know what does the pppoe service ping to determine if the link is up? |
| 18:52.05 | StarFire | The base system that is loaded has the driver for my on-board network card, but the installed base system doesn-t |
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| 18:52.23 | stew | Klohunt: does it show up when you run "ifconfig -a"? if not, try "modprobe forcedeth" and "ifconfig -a" again |
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| 18:53.54 | kspath | wendyk: There is no distribution with a do what your thinking interface yet. Debian tends to do useful things by default. |
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| 18:54.50 | Klohunt | stew: doesnt say anything about my Nvidia controller, but eth2 is there as well as lo |
| 18:55.03 | Klohunt | stew: and they all say 0 packets |
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| 18:55.34 | stew | Klohunt: does this machine have more than one ethernet card? |
| 18:55.50 | abrotman | does eth2 have an IP address? |
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| 18:55.53 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there some way to get to know when a deb package was installed/updated? |
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| 18:56.07 | stew | mkl1525: if you are on testing or unstable there is /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:56.32 | Klohunt | Not that I know of :S However, it did say in the installation that it found more than one network interface, and that I should choose the primary one... I chose the eth2 option because it said "Nvidia Ethernet Controller" next to it |
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| 18:57.22 | Klohunt | abrotman: dont see one, nope... only says UNSPEC Hwaddr and then a bunch of numbers in groups of two |
| 18:57.27 | mkl1525 | stew, thanks for the suggestion but running stable |
| 18:57.28 | Niacin | anyone know where i could find a 32bit little endian MIPS kernel image? |
| 18:57.31 | rohan | some packahes in debian sid are _never_ updated ? kchmviewer, gparted ? |
| 18:57.33 | abrotman | your MAC adapter address ? |
| 18:57.34 | Saint-Takeshi | i think i'm having problems with jigdo-lite under windows.... |
| 18:57.35 | abrotman | !mips |
| 18:57.35 | dpkg | mips is probably (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
| 18:57.36 | rohan | apache :S |
| 18:57.39 | tarzeau | rohan: yes they are |
| 18:57.44 | tarzeau | rohan: check bts/with maintainer |
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| 18:58.10 | vin` | StarFire: load the module with modprobe, add module name to /etc/modules to load it on reboot. |
| 18:58.24 | tarzeau | helix!! |
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| 18:58.27 | Super_Trainer | bye |
| 18:58.29 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia! |
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| 18:58.33 | amee2k | how can i change the editor w3m uses for editing TEXTAREA fields? |
| 18:58.49 | amee2k | man page doesn't tell :( |
| 18:58.50 | kspath | rohan: never is a VERY long time. In fact never tends to mean not in all time. |
| 18:58.51 | rohan | tarzeau: see gparted .. it been out of date since _ages_ |
| 18:59.06 | tarzeau | rohan: what about you file a wishlist report? checked BTS yet? |
| 18:59.11 | tarzeau | rohan: debian lives of its users. |
| 18:59.23 | kspath | rohan: Do you know what ages means? Perhaps indicate number of months/years. |
| 18:59.24 | tarzeau | rohan: debian people don't get paid. move your ass-stop whining |
| 18:59.28 | tarzeau | rohan: you can make it better |
| 18:59.32 | Saint-Takeshi | the output seems to be saying "host not found" and "Found 0 of xxxxx files" a lot...is that normal? |
| 19:00.18 | rohan | tarzeau: i am not whining, just "stating" |
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| 19:00.36 | kspath | Saint-Takeshi: You are trying to use something called jigdo-lite in windows to do what? |
| 19:00.39 | Klohunt | stew: should I restart the installation and select eth1 or eth0 instead of eth2? |
| 19:00.46 | tarzeau | rohan: i meant stating :) |
| 19:00.47 | rohan | tarzeau: and i know that people dont get paid |
| 19:00.48 | Saint-Takeshi | to download debian |
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| 19:00.55 | rohan | tarzeau: :) |
| 19:01.10 | kspath | rohan: If you are stating please be more fair. Ages and never are not valid. |
| 19:01.13 | tarzeau | rohan: is your nick related to lord of the rings? |
| 19:01.23 | rohan | kspath: ok :) my bad |
| 19:01.33 | rohan | tarzeau: nah, rohan is a very common indian name |
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| 19:02.04 | jelly-ho | Hi, I'm evaluating a custom package. Upstream at installation (postinst) does stuff like php4 some_script > /usr/share/package/somefile.php, in the middle of the rest of package's files, which I think is bad form. Where should the file go, something like /var/lib/package + a symlink in /usr? |
| 19:02.14 | tarzeau | rohan: oh. you're in india? |
| 19:02.32 | rohan | tarzeau: yes, you too ? |
| 19:02.51 | AnAnt | anyone knows what package contains setfont ? |
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| 19:03.01 | tarzeau | AnAnt: yes packages.debian.org |
| 19:03.07 | kspath | rohan: hindi? gujarti? telagu? malyalam? ... |
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| 19:03.09 | tarzeau | rohan: i'm from turkey, living in switzerland |
| 19:03.10 | abrotman | !tell AnAnt about search |
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| 19:03.21 | rohan | kspath: i know hindi, gujarati and marathi. |
| 19:03.30 | jelly-ho | AnAnt: you might want consolechars instead. |
| 19:03.30 | StarFire | vin`: The module does not exist in the kernel that gets installed for the base system |
| 19:03.34 | rohan | kspath: you are indian/ you know hindi / |
| 19:03.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: have you ever been to turkey? |
| 19:03.34 | Saint-Takeshi | trying to get an etch iso down, it's playing up...a lot, the torrents on the site are 404ing and i'm not fond of just ftp-ing something like 675mb |
| 19:03.38 | kspath | AnAnt: apt-cache search anant |
| 19:03.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: many times. not so for two years though |
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| 19:03.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: weren't you born in .ch ? |
| 19:03.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: you want to tour europe with a guitar me and few girls? |
| 19:03.59 | kspath | rohan: I am not Indian. I do not know Hindi. |
| 19:04.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i was, that doesn't mean i can't move around on the world |
| 19:04.12 | rohan | kspath: oh, ok. |
| 19:04.17 | AnAnt | kspath: huh ? |
| 19:04.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm tarzeau, TEH BIRD! |
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| 19:04.30 | tarzeau | i can goes anywheres |
| 19:04.33 | kspath | AnAnt: apt-cache search setfont |
| 19:04.39 | AnAnt | kspath: oh, thx |
| 19:04.40 | Saint-Takeshi | debian.org reccomends using jigdo, but i'm having trouble.... |
| 19:04.45 | tarzeau | Saint-Takeshi: don't use it |
| 19:04.45 | kspath | AnAnt: Thanks? |
| 19:04.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: kind of detracts from your "being turkish" though |
| 19:04.51 | tarzeau | Saint-Takeshi: d.o is retarded on jigdo |
| 19:04.59 | AnAnt | kspath: I found it |
| 19:05.09 | vin` | kspath: it's telugu and malayalam (which is the longest palindrome) |
| 19:05.10 | marc | x |
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| 19:05.31 | vin` | StarFire: which module? |
| 19:05.39 | kspath | AnAnt: nice. There is also something called apt-file which can be a useful tool. |
| 19:05.51 | StarFire | vin`: sky2.ko |
| 19:06.09 | *** part/#debian Echelon-H (n=echelon@89-138-58-66.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 19:06.11 | AnAnt | ic |
| 19:06.39 | Saint-Takeshi | so should i just do the 4-hour ftp download? (aol "broad"band, painfully sl...o...w) |
| 19:06.59 | kspath | vin`: Sorry. I am quite ignorant. Thank you for the correction. |
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| 19:09.11 | StarFire | vin`: I managed to install the kernel-sources of kernel 2.6.15. I hope to configure it correctly for the sky2 module |
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| 19:09.24 | mejo | hello |
| 19:09.27 | AnAnt | btw, I got a problem with some key combinations under virtual console: when I press shift+PageUp , I get this: |
| 19:09.28 | kspath | AnAnt: "ic" Integrated Circuit? or Were you attempting to communicate something like "I see." |
| 19:09.30 | AnAnt | [4299118.362000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0). |
| 19:09.33 | AnAnt | [4299118.362000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 19:09.36 | AnAnt | why is that ? |
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| 19:10.06 | vin` | StarFire: grep'd the /boot/config-foo for CONFIG_SKY2? |
| 19:10.20 | kspath | Your keyboard(hardware) and selected keyboard in OS do not match. |
| 19:10.27 | kspath | AnAnt: Your keyboard(hardware) and selected keyboard in OS do not match. |
| 19:10.35 | AnAnt | so what should I do ? |
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| 19:11.05 | kspath | AnAnt: Try other likely OS keyboard choices or other keyboards or make your own mappings. |
| 19:11.25 | AnAnt | how ? |
| 19:11.33 | AnAnt | what config file should I edit |
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| 19:11.59 | bliss1_ | hi |
| 19:12.16 | kspath | AnAnt: I personally can only take you that far. You will most likely need help from your regional experts assuming you are using a keyboard common to your region/language group. |
| 19:12.34 | bliss1_ | anybody know where i can get the kernel-tree-2.6.8′ meta package for sarge |
| 19:12.36 | AnAnt | I mean, what is the tool used for this ? |
| 19:12.43 | abrotman | bliss1_: the what? |
| 19:12.52 | rohan | can someone on sid please do "ls /var/cache/apt/archives | grep libtunepimp2c2a" and paste the output ? i need the name of the libtunepimp .deb to be able to install amarok |
| 19:12.57 | seba_newbie | AnAnt: may be: /etc/X11/X86Config-4 ? |
| 19:13.07 | kspath | AnAnt: I do not know. If anyone else knows they will hopefully share their knowledge/assistance. |
| 19:13.18 | seba_newbie | Option "XkbModel" "pc105" |
| 19:13.25 | seba_newbie | or something like that ? |
| 19:13.30 | vin` | StarFire: it is enabled in the default 2.6.16-1-686 CONFIG_SKY2=m, module name sky2. |
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| 19:14.01 | bliss1_ | abortman; on this page about third of the way down http://www.phunsites.ch/wp/2006/03/17/installing-vmware-server-on-debian-sarge/ |
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| 19:14.17 | kspath | seba_newbie: I think AnAnt said it also happened in vtys and not in X or not just X. AnAnt might be able to clarify. |
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| 19:14.42 | AnAnt | seba_newbie: that's in X, what about virtual console ? |
| 19:14.47 | omry | any suggestions for a simple linux video editor that can crop a part of a video into a new file? |
| 19:15.02 | kspath | AnAnt: Have you put all your specifics in a file including if you are running Sarge/Stable, Etch/Testing, or Sid/Unstable? |
| 19:15.17 | rohan | can someone on sid please do "ls /var/cache/apt/archives | grep libtunepimp2c2a" and paste the output ? i need the name of the libtunepimp .deb to be able to install amarok |
| 19:15.19 | vin` | rohan: libtunepimp2c2a_0.3.0-9.1_i386.deb |
| 19:15.27 | seba_newbie | AntAnt: ohh, I miss that one. |
| 19:15.35 | rohan | thanks a lot, vin` |
| 19:15.42 | AnAnt | kspath: no |
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| 19:15.59 | kspath | AnAnt: It will help you track what you tried already and what possibilities to try. It will also help you with anyone asking details in a mailing list or an IRC pastebin. |
| 19:16.08 | tarzeau | rohan: i think amarok is broken, adn in #arabeyes or soemone eslse from #debian-offtopic build it on his own |
| 19:16.12 | AnAnt | kspath: k, thx |
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| 19:16.17 | tarzeau | i think it was someone in #debian-offtopic not adn |
| 19:16.38 | usn | hi folx |
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| 19:16.42 | ma3x | hi |
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| 19:16.56 | ma3x | how do I disable the "Detecting hardware..." on boot up? |
| 19:17.02 | ma3x | *sid* |
| 19:17.10 | seba_newbie | I have changed X config, and i think it's affect vt too. Or may be i'm confused. |
| 19:17.11 | vin` | tarzeau: 1.3 works fine here. |
| 19:17.16 | zasz | wtf |
| 19:17.19 | zasz | someone boot that guy |
| 19:17.21 | bliss1_ | abrotman : on this page about third of the way down http://www.phunsites.ch/wp/2006/03/17/installing-vmware-server-on-debian-sarge/ |
| 19:17.29 | tarzeau | FUCKING CRAP |
| 19:17.31 | jengelh | !op transm |
| 19:17.31 | vin` | rohan: fwiw, 1.4 is in experimental. |
| 19:17.31 | dpkg | spamming the channel #debian |
| 19:17.33 | evaded | WHAT A FUCK That transm/#debian send SEX SEX SEX DO NIOT OPEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:17.37 | tarzeau | why do i click babes.on.nimp.org ON WINDOWS |
| 19:17.43 | tarzeau | transm: FUCK OFF ASS HOLE |
| 19:17.48 | rohan | vin`: nah experimental is too dangerous |
| 19:17.48 | tarzeau | FUCKING CRAP |
| 19:17.48 | evaded | THAT DO REALLY STRANGE THINGS |
| 19:17.55 | Ronin | !op transm is a gnaa spammer |
| 19:17.55 | dpkg | spamming the channel #debian |
| 19:17.57 | tarzeau | i had important URLS in this piese of shit FIREFOX browser |
| 19:18.01 | tarzeau | !OP TRANSM IS GNAA |
| 19:18.01 | dpkg | spamming the channel #debian |
| 19:18.02 | Ronin | !ops transm is a gnaa spammer |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: transm is a gnaa spammer |
| 19:18.05 | Ronin | there we go |
| 19:18.09 | evaded | NO OPEN THAT FUCKING LINK ITS gna fuck |
| 19:18.12 | tarzeau | lilo: HELP!!!! HEEEEELLLLP |
| 19:18.15 | zinx | it's that bad? |
| 19:18.17 | jair | guys it is possible to find a channel that talk about networking and routers? |
| 19:18.18 | tarzeau | evaded: how would i know? |
| 19:18.18 | rohan | tarzeau: amarok works perfectly only needs that deb |
| 19:18.20 | evaded | REALLY HELP |
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| 19:18.30 | kspath | jair: If you look you will find. |
| 19:18.34 | tarzeau | now i know why taskmanager has option: always on top |
| 19:18.34 | rohan | whats gnaa ?? |
| 19:18.35 | ejk | zinx: It's probably a mirror of their infamous spam link, forgot what it's called |
| 19:18.42 | tarzeau | rohan: stop it! it's really bad |
| 19:18.44 | tarzeau | !GNAA |
| 19:18.44 | zinx | HedgeMage: ban the transm |
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| 19:18.52 | evaded | tarzeau: NOT open that link, it have open many windows and Evolution, i think it's invected some mail and send some mails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 19:18.52 | kspath | jair: You would benefit from search engines and mailing lists. |
| 19:19.01 | tarzeau | dpkg gnaa is gay nigger anal association or something |
| 19:19.02 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 19:19.04 | rohan | tarzeau: what am i doing ?? |
| 19:19.05 | evaded | crap crap crap |
| 19:19.11 | tarzeau | rohan: nothing ;) it's really really bad |
| 19:19.25 | evaded | HAVE someone open that fucking link??? |
| 19:19.25 | tarzeau | the browser suddenly started "HEY EVERYBODY. I'M LOOKING AT GAY PORNO" or so |
| 19:19.29 | tarzeau | evaded: yes ;) |
| 19:19.33 | tarzeau | evaded: man i can't resist |
| 19:19.35 | rohan | tarzeau: really ?! i am sorry didnt mean to insult anyone |
| 19:19.35 | tarzeau | it was an url |
| 19:19.41 | tarzeau | rohan: you didn't :) |
| 19:19.43 | evaded | tarzeau: Evolution also opened?? and send fucking mail??? |
| 19:19.59 | tarzeau | evaded: i don't have crap like evoltion but assistant for internet opened like 100 times |
| 19:20.03 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 19:20.12 | tarzeau | that was some hot action but i don't need this |
| 19:20.29 | jengelh | Lesson of the hour => Don't click anything. Not EXEs, not links, and try not to use Windows if possible. |
| 19:20.30 | evaded | tarzeau: Idem here, i think it really have infected somethings, crap crap crap |
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| 19:20.37 | kspath | jair: lartc, netfilter, quagga, zebra, iptables, and many other things are keywords you can use to get you started. |
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| 19:20.49 | tarzeau | evaded: you think so? you're on linux? don't worry |
| 19:20.56 | jonkri | i have a couple of scsi disks that i want to put together as a raid-5 array and install debian on that. after that, i would like to have three virtual servers that should be able to access parts of my raid-5 data (specified partitions). can i do this with debian? |
| 19:21.24 | jengelh | Where's an op when you need one... |
| 19:21.32 | sunrise | hi all; do someone know how to use the --admindir/--root options of dpkg ? I've a directory xxx/var/lib/dpkg with a status file and would like to use dpkg to list -l the content ? |
| 19:21.34 | evaded | tarzeau: Running stable |
| 19:21.38 | tarzeau | jengelh: they were scared away |
| 19:21.45 | tarzeau | jengelh: can you read the channel topic? |
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| 19:21.49 | kspath | tarzeau: Did you have javascript and/or java enabled? |
| 19:21.50 | jair | kspath, I have a routing issue here in my network and I think i am right to fix it |
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| 19:22.02 | evaded | tarzeau: I guess if it have been open some things like the email, client i think it have do some other things ... |
| 19:22.03 | kspath | jair: I agree. You should fix it. |
| 19:22.08 | tarzeau | !OPS debian faq link is: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:22.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: debian faq link is: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:22.20 | helen_ | hi, just wondering how to get java running eityher mozilla or firefox? |
| 19:22.21 | jengelh | tarzeau: "BEWARE UNSTABLE"? :p |
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| 19:22.22 | tarzeau | kspath: i don't know. i had the wrong browser |
| 19:22.25 | jair | kspath, but it is very tricky and I need just another point of view |
| 19:22.28 | justinm | damn, I hate to reboot haha |
| 19:22.38 | justinm | that thing was well crafted |
| 19:22.40 | tarzeau | jengelh: i use unstable, i don't have a problem with that. what do you want to tell me? |
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| 19:22.42 | wendyk | is there a way to install mplayer without compiling? |
| 19:22.47 | jengelh | Nothing. Forget it. |
| 19:22.48 | tarzeau | jengelh: the url link has a / where a - should be |
| 19:22.51 | jair | kspath, do you want me to describe you the scenario? |
| 19:22.52 | tarzeau | wendyk: no |
| 19:22.55 | kspath | jair: Exactly. That is why I was trying to help you get the right help from the right sources. |
| 19:23.07 | kspath | jair: No. Thank you though. |
| 19:23.08 | tarzeau | jengelh: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 19:23.13 | wendyk | tarzeau, so there is no .deb for it? |
| 19:23.17 | tarzeau | wendyk: no |
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| 19:23.26 | jonkri | ok, i assume not |
| 19:23.26 | jair | kspath, I think is because you are afraid of do not know the anwer? |
| 19:23.30 | evaded | tarzeau: I have chance i think, it's looks that there are no mail sended by that crap of gna thing |
| 19:23.44 | kspath | jair: I think you are afraid to get your answer from the best sources. |
| 19:24.19 | kspath | jair: Are you aware of the Debian mailing lists and mailing list archives? |
| 19:24.21 | jengelh | Guess that's a debianspecific problem. |
| 19:25.12 | jair | kspath, I have this devices: cisco router and a iptables debian firewall. |
| 19:25.15 | kspath | jair: If it is debian specific question ask here. If it is a generic lack of knowledge of networking consider a mailing list that encompasses that aspect. |
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| 19:25.30 | evaded | strange cpu at 100% |
| 19:25.40 | kspath | jair: Iptables question is not a debian specific question unfortunately. |
| 19:26.16 | jair | kspath, and I want to do this configuration: <internet> ---->cisco----->debian_firewall--->switches---->pcs |
| 19:26.20 | kspath | jair: You would want to ask iptables sources and/or cisco sources. |
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| 19:26.37 | evaded | That fucking thing of gnaa are running an background proccess? |
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| 19:26.59 | evaded | I have an average now or +-20% cpu |
| 19:27.05 | kspath | jair: Go for it. There are many people doing that everyday. |
| 19:27.14 | evaded | tarzeau: Have many nice have you? |
| 19:27.24 | justinm | did that url actually try sending mail? |
| 19:27.25 | helen_ | looks like to me its the correct version of java. how do I get the browsers to run it? |
| 19:27.28 | Brox | how can i make debian aware of my usb keyboard during the installation (netinstall fresh from debian.org) |
| 19:27.33 | tarzeau | evaded: mice? |
| 19:27.34 | justinm | or did it just open a bunch of outlooks |
| 19:27.34 | kspath | jair: It is an iptables firewall on a debian machine. You will want iptables experts to help you. |
| 19:27.36 | jair | kspath, do you see what I want to do. I have all the information ip everything my only doubt is: can I pass the connection from the <internet>---->switch--->pcs to <internet> ---->cisco----->debian_firewall--->switches---->pcs |
| 19:27.57 | tarzeau | evaded: i usually run nice 0, but sometimes 18. i have zero mice, but meet them at the streets somtimes, the dwarf mice |
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| 19:27.58 | evaded | tarzeau: Is there somethings running in the background of that gnaa thing. My cpu do some things what i have not ask to do after that fucking link of the gnaa |
| 19:28.05 | Justin | jair: why does your ascii diagram have two internet's? |
| 19:28.08 | jair | kspath, I have all that ready |
| 19:28.17 | tarzeau | evaded: i have windows. 0% cpu usage |
| 19:28.23 | jair | Justin, sorry |
| 19:28.26 | kspath | jair: If you do very many things if you want. Study and do it. |
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| 19:28.53 | evaded | tarzeau: I got some strange things here |
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| 19:29.10 | tarzeau | evaded: you shouldn't click links randomly |
| 19:29.15 | tarzeau | evaded: if you can't deal with it |
| 19:29.22 | jair | Justin, this is what i want to know if I have two network cards on a cisco router and I want to forward that connection to other two network cards on a debian firewall. |
| 19:29.26 | evaded | tarzeau: You tell about it but have do it also |
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| 19:29.44 | evaded | tarzeau: I look on the 'top' |
| 19:29.45 | Justin | jair: and? |
| 19:29.46 | tarzeau | evaded: i didn't whine. i said something about it, fixed it. done |
| 19:30.00 | jair | Justin, should i copy the same internal and external ip onfigurations? ip, dg, dns, sm |
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| 19:30.10 | tarzeau | evaded: i knew it was crap, but wanted to see what exactly. and i don't care if something is deleted here, i have a secretary to set it up again for me |
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| 19:30.13 | [lain] | hi |
| 19:30.20 | Justin | jair: you mean configure the other device with the same ip address as the router? hell no |
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| 19:30.39 | evaded | tarzeau: You only play games with you're box... |
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| 19:30.45 | tarzeau | evaded: no |
| 19:30.46 | tarzeau | evaded: i work |
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| 19:30.59 | evaded | tarzeau: ... on games... i guess |
| 19:30.59 | tarzeau | evaded: but yes i also play games. and i need it for some special different stuff too |
| 19:31.09 | tarzeau | evaded: no, i do real hard work to earn money on this machine as well |
| 19:31.17 | tarzeau | evaded: for severel organisations as well as companies |
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| 19:31.50 | backz | Hi, why my DEL button of keyboard do not works ? when I press it, it returns a 'beep' from speaker... |
| 19:31.59 | jair | Justin, so what should I do then? |
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| 19:32.26 | LSorensen | backz: what did you expect it to do? |
| 19:32.28 | Justin | jair: what are you trying to do in the first place? |
| 19:32.36 | backz | LSorensen, DELETE a char! |
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| 19:33.07 | jair | Justin, I am trying to add a proxy server and other tools that comes with the firewall i have that the cisco router does not provide |
| 19:33.12 | LSorensen | backz: well in some programs it does. In some it deletes a character to the right, while backsapce goes to the left. In many programs it has no meaning. It is up to the application to decide what it thinks that key means. |
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| 19:33.22 | jair | Justin, like for example block pages using a black list |
| 19:33.33 | unstable | !tetrinet |
| 19:33.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, tetrinet is probably multiplayer tetris get the gtetrinet by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root, then start gtetrinet as non-root and connect to tetrinet.debian.net |
| 19:33.34 | backz | LSorensen, it was returnin a char '~' |
| 19:33.41 | Justin | jair: block what kind of pages? |
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| 19:34.37 | kspath | Justin: likely service level blocks likely http https perhaps dns related or IP related Hopefully, jair will learn enough to learn what to ask. |
| 19:34.38 | LSorensen | backz: well the DEL key sends <ESC>[3~ on some terminal types, so it may have tried to do something with the escape sequence, and just left the last character. |
| 19:34.38 | jair | Justin, porn, and any other I want to add to the black list |
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| 19:34.43 | LSorensen | backz: what program are you in? |
| 19:34.48 | jair | Justin, the cisco router does not offer that |
| 19:34.55 | seba_newbie | ohh, multiplayer tetris. My wife will love it !!! |
| 19:35.05 | action09 | lol |
| 19:35.09 | backz | on bash, via putty =P |
| 19:35.12 | jair | Justin, so i want to put the firewall right after the cisco router |
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| 19:35.27 | wendyk | how do i put my name in the group sudo? i am tired of "su.. password ..bit" |
| 19:35.32 | LSorensen | backz: and the terminal type in putty is set to what? and what does 'echo $TERM' say? |
| 19:35.42 | jair | Justin, like this: <internet>----->cisco---->firewall--->switches---pcs |
| 19:35.49 | Justin | jair: solving a social problem with technology does not work very well |
| 19:35.52 | Eulex | backz, try setting the delete character in putty. |
| 19:36.08 | backz | LSorensen, I was reconfigured my keyb running dpkg-reconfigure console-data and it works fine. thanks! |
| 19:36.08 | LSorensen | backz: here in an xterm, DEL deletes a character to the right, but of course if at the end of the line it just beeps at me |
| 19:36.27 | backz | LSorensen, xterm oto |
| 19:36.29 | backz | *too |
| 19:36.30 | jair | Justin, forget about the social stuff I want to put a proxy server that comes with the firewall, to cache pages and improve the connectivity |
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| 19:36.40 | Justin | jair: google: iptables transparent proxy |
| 19:36.48 | Brox | it seems that the debian installation only works with testing if you have something as modern as an usb keyboard and a sata hd - is that true? |
| 19:36.58 | jair | Justin, I have that already set up in the firewall |
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| 19:37.07 | jair | Justin, all i need is the right ip configuration |
| 19:37.08 | samuel | anyone know of a program that highlights python code? |
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| 19:37.09 | Brox | i mean is it true or am i doing something wrong? |
| 19:37.13 | StarFire | I'm looking for the sky2 module in kernel 2.6.15 |
| 19:37.30 | ribnitz | Does POP3 support folders? |
| 19:38.10 | [lain] | wendyk: : modify file sudoers |
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| 19:38.11 | Justin | jair: no one can tell you what ip addresses to use.... |
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| 19:38.19 | kspath | Justin: That is why I tried to tell jair about networking tools and their sites and mailing lists. Jair likely wants a copy/paste solution or does not understand enough to ask the questions in a way that can be answered. |
| 19:38.20 | backz | hey, are someone using dmraid ? it works fine than mdadm ? |
| 19:38.26 | Justin | StarFire: skystar2 ? |
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| 19:38.57 | EruditeHermit | hey can anyone help with http://rafb.net/paste/results/Smqfk564.html |
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| 19:39.14 | StarFire | Justin: It is called sky2.ko. Where do I find it? |
| 19:39.35 | Justin | StarFire: there is nothing called sky2, there is something called skystar2 though |
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| 19:40.25 | StarFire | Justin: Where? |
| 19:40.38 | kspath | jair: Your questions are not explaining what you are really trying to do. You should create a detailed document explaining what you have and what you want to do. Make sure you understand what you want to do as best you can. This will help you help yourself and help you track what to try and allow others to understand what you really want. |
| 19:40.46 | Fraze | say, when the unstable ver of debian will be stable? |
| 19:40.50 | Niklas_E | does debian store some modules in the initrd or what does it store there? |
| 19:41.14 | Justin | StarFire: actually, newer kernels have sky2, older kernels have skystar2 |
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| 19:41.38 | StarFire | Justin: great, but where in the configuration can I find it? |
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| 19:41.45 | Fraze | hmmm? |
| 19:41.47 | Justin | StarFire: though skystar2 is in the video directory, and sky2 is in the net directory.... |
| 19:42.02 | Justin | StarFire: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=sky2&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
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| 19:46.07 | [lain] | i have a problem |
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| 19:46.19 | [lain] | dma-timer-expiry |
| 19:46.29 | [lain] | during the boot |
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| 19:47.40 | [lain] | dmesg | grep dma |
| 19:47.40 | [lain] | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.46 | [lain] | this is the error |
| 19:47.55 | prudhvi | Hi, i am unable to create Kernel packages for 2.6.16.9 Kernel. i have all the build utils, gcc, kernel-package But still not able to do it |
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| 19:48.46 | [lain] | prudhvi: you see the debian reference? |
| 19:49.05 | prudhvi | [lain], debian reference ?. |
| 19:49.06 | jml6 | is there any way for me to keep my system up to date with apt-get and not have my hard drive maxed out? Whenever I run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade it seems like the new packages are just being installed separatley due to the loss of space. |
| 19:49.24 | prudhvi | jml6, apt-clean ? |
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| 19:49.29 | asg | jml6: apt-get clean |
| 19:49.35 | wendyk | [lain], i am trying to compile my first program: Mplayer. So far so good per the instructions... |
| 19:49.37 | jonkri | why can't i find xen on packages.debian.org? |
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| 19:50.04 | Shadowcat | probably not because there is no debian package for it |
| 19:50.09 | Zarla | Hello All |
| 19:50.13 | [lain] | wendyk: ? |
| 19:50.15 | Shadowcat | next question: "Why is there no xen package" |
| 19:50.15 | asg | jonkri: it probably hasn't entered sid yet but it is scheduled to in the next few days |
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| 19:50.21 | [lain] | prudhvi: www.debian.org :D |
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| 19:50.37 | jonkri | asg: why? hasn't it been around for ages? |
| 19:50.41 | jonkri | asg: in some version |
| 19:50.42 | Zarla | Is somebody could tell me how to just download a package with apt-get ? |
| 19:50.49 | wendyk | [lain], i was tired of typing ..su..passoword for certain things MPlayer asked. So I needed access to sudo. |
| 19:50.51 | Shadowcat | jonkri: read |
| 19:50.56 | jonkri | zarkdav: man apt-get |
| 19:50.57 | ILF | wendyk: add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main" to /etc/apt/sources.list - apt-get install mplayer-<arch> |
| 19:50.57 | [lain] | zarla: whithout install? |
| 19:51.02 | asg | jonkri: not in official packages |
| 19:51.15 | Shadowcat | jonkri: debian does not contain a package for every single piece of software out there |
| 19:51.18 | jml6 | asg, that worked to some degree but i would still say the space issue is out of control. which command would i use in the future to download only the important updates/upgrades |
| 19:51.21 | wendyk | ILF, hey.. I didn't know that. :-) |
| 19:51.29 | Shadowcat | if there is a debian package for what you want to install great, but don't expect a package for everything |
| 19:51.31 | Zarla | [lain]: Yes, the package is still installed but the first column of dpkg -l is a "p" |
| 19:51.33 | kspath | Is someone volunteering to package Xen and support it long term and associated issues caused? |
| 19:51.34 | asg | jml6: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:51.37 | wendyk | ILF, will it install it with gui or without? |
| 19:51.38 | jonkri | well, is there a free software alternative to xen? |
| 19:51.39 | [lain] | zarla: sorry without install |
| 19:51.42 | jml6 | asg, etch |
| 19:51.43 | evaded | Zarla: 'apt-cache search <pkg>' to search 'apt-get install <pkg>' but you need to run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' before installing anything |
| 19:51.44 | StarFire | Justin: That does not help much. I need a Kernel configuration |
| 19:51.46 | Zarla | [lain]: I just want to re-install it by dpkg -i |
| 19:51.46 | Shadowcat | kspath: I ain't |
| 19:51.48 | ILF | wendyk: with. without is mplayer-nogui |
| 19:51.54 | ILF | (which is what i use) |
| 19:51.58 | seba_newbie | Zarla: use aptitude frontend |
| 19:51.58 | asg | jml6: etch is going to update almost constantly as new packages filter in from sid. |
| 19:52.06 | wendyk | ILF, does it install codecs and everythign else? |
| 19:52.07 | abrotman | until etch is released anyways |
| 19:52.09 | asg | jml6: get bigger drives or use stable |
| 19:52.13 | [lain] | evaded: apt-get install <pkg> for installing a package |
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| 19:52.22 | Zarla | evaded: Thanks |
| 19:52.25 | ILF | wendyk: apt-get install w32codecs. will fetch from same mirror |
| 19:52.31 | jonkri | i assume debian must have SOME virtualization package |
| 19:52.32 | Zarla | [lain]: Thanks too |
| 19:52.46 | evaded | [lain]: yes i know, but you need to read my msg 2 times i guess |
| 19:52.46 | asg | jonkri: UML, qemu |
| 19:52.47 | wendyk | ILF, do i have to apt-get the skin and fonts too? |
| 19:52.52 | Justin | StarFire: the package includes the kernel config. |
| 19:52.54 | Shadowcat | jonkri: do you not know how to install xen manually? |
| 19:52.59 | ILF | wendyk: dunno, don't use the gui |
| 19:53.02 | Shadowcat | because last time I checked it required a custom kernel |
| 19:53.03 | Justin | StarFire: if you think you need it though, you probably have big problems :-P |
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| 19:53.15 | jonkri | Shadowcat: ah, ok |
| 19:53.16 | wendyk | ILF, okies. Thanks :-) |
| 19:53.21 | jonkri | asg: which one is easest to use? |
| 19:53.24 | Shadowcat | jonkri: so stop whining |
| 19:53.32 | cahoot | jonkri: Xen 3 will be entering sid tomorrow(http://planet.debian.net/) |
| 19:53.33 | jonkri | Shadowcat: shut up |
| 19:53.37 | jml6 | asg, so there isnt anyway to really CLEAN out all of the old packages? It seems like 'apt-get clean' only cleaned partially since i still have very much space consumed |
| 19:53.39 | asg | Shadowcat: Steve Kemp indicated that xen3 has now been accepted and should be in sid soon |
| 19:53.39 | jonkri | cahoot: cool |
| 19:53.42 | gnufan | jonkri: Xen is quite recent -- I use UML for a box I share -- it is fine but we should have used raw partitions for filesystem space |
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| 19:54.03 | [lain] | evaded: :D eheeh too much persons |
| 19:54.11 | asg | jml6: that only cleans the downloaded debs. If you have unused packages installed, apt-get remove --purge them |
| 19:54.13 | cahoot | Shad0wcat: in what respect did jonkri whine? |
| 19:54.18 | evaded | jml6: apt-get clean only clean the deb files you have downloaded and are located in /var/apt... |
| 19:54.20 | jonkri | gnufan: what does that mean? |
| 19:54.21 | Shadowcat | asg: it still requires knowledge to operate any virtualization software |
| 19:54.26 | jonkri | gnufan: uhm... raw partitions that is |
| 19:54.28 | asg | Shadowcat: indeed |
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| 19:54.38 | evaded | [lain]: It goes quick here ;-) |
| 19:54.48 | asg | Shadowcat: Steve's done a good job of making it foolproof more or less though. |
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| 19:54.56 | Shadowcat | asg: or so he thinks |
| 19:55.04 | gnufan | jonkri: a raw partition, we created the UML instances as files within the host file system "/home/simon/debian-root.uml |
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| 19:55.11 | asg | Shadowcat: that's why its going into sid and not stable :) |
| 19:55.15 | unstable | How do I add a network printer via command line? |
| 19:55.25 | evaded | jml6: Need you 'deborphan - Find orphaned libraries'?? |
| 19:55.31 | Terr1 | Im trying to dpkg -i a .deb package and get the following error: trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/Xsession', which is also in package xfree86-common <-- is it safe to use --force-yes in this situation or is there a better simpler solution? |
| 19:55.33 | jonkri | gnufan: oh, ok. thanks! |
| 19:55.35 | beardy | unstable: Read the documentation of cups. |
| 19:55.41 | unstable | beardy: Sp O |
| 19:55.46 | gnufan | jonkri: when for performance reasons, I think possibly one should just partition the disk, and assign one partition as the UML root. |
| 19:55.49 | unstable | beardy: So I'm assuming I need to install cups? |
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| 19:55.59 | evaded | unstable: sure |
| 19:56.09 | [lain] | ehm...i'm sorry but i repeat my problem: during the boot i have this error /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:<4>hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 |
| 19:56.09 | beardy | unstable: Yes, you probably want to do that, if you intend to use cups.. |
| 19:56.14 | seba_newbie | unstable: what printer model do you have ? |
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| 19:56.29 | jonkri | gnufan: ok. how safe do you believe that these installation are? i mean, i want to separate the gnu arch server from my personal /home as much as i can |
| 19:56.30 | netsurfer | hi people... running sarge here, looking for a java compatable command line browser... any suggestions ? |
| 19:56.30 | unstable | seba_newbie: It's a HP Laserjet 4 |
| 19:56.36 | jonkri | gnufan: i would hate to be "hacked" |
| 19:56.38 | jml6 | asg, i see. so if i apt-get remove gnome-desktop-environment, that will not get rid of everything but if i add the '--purge' it will? |
| 19:56.55 | Shadowcat | jonkri: if you don't want to be hacked, run the server on a different machine |
| 19:57.00 | Shadowcat | NOT your primary workstation |
| 19:57.07 | jonkri | Shad0wcat: i only have one machine, so |
| 19:57.07 | belkin | does anybody knows a good fronted ipod package ? |
| 19:57.07 | evaded | unstable: Normaly for HP it's not a problem |
| 19:57.35 | asg | jml6: no, --purge only removes things like configs as well as the rest of the package. However, gnome-desktop-environment is a helper install package. If you want to remove gnome, /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 19:57.36 | kspath | jonkri: disconnecting network will protect you a lot. |
| 19:57.38 | evaded | belkin: Have you try 'apt-cache search ipod'?? |
| 19:57.39 | unstable | This is at my school, and I have a paper "How to print" and it tells me to go to Start/Add Printers and Faxes/Add Printer, next local printer attached to htis computer, create a new port, type of port is "Standard TCP/IP Port" click next...then enter ip address 192.168.11.1 click next, select printer HP HP Lasterjet 4 plus, click next, and then print. |
| 19:57.48 | gnufan | jonkri: pretty safe I think -- not least you'd have to be fairly familiar to figure out what was going on if you owned a UML instance. But there have been a couple of kernel bugs that theoretically allow escape from a UML instant. Never heard of it happening in anger |
| 19:57.50 | seba_newbie | apt-get update |
| 19:57.51 | seba_newbie | apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client foomatic-bin samba smbclient gs-esp a2ps |
| 19:57.53 | jonkri | kspath: what does that mean? are you being sarcastic? |
| 19:57.53 | cahoot | jonkri: this person seems to have some experience with it: http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/ |
| 19:57.54 | unstable | evaded / beardy / seba_newbie I can do this in debian gnu /linux with cups? |
| 19:57.59 | evaded | belkin: That gtk one there |
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| 19:58.07 | kspath | jonkri: Both truthful and sarcastic. |
| 19:58.21 | evaded | seba_newbie: wrong window lol |
| 19:58.25 | jonkri | cahoot: thanks |
| 19:58.29 | jonkri | kspath: well, it's not helping |
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| 19:58.45 | jml6 | asg, wow theres alot i do not understand with apt-get. it is very easy to use for installations but removals and updates are confusing to me. i'd better read up some more |
| 19:58.46 | belkin | evaded yeah looks like thats the only one available |
| 19:58.51 | kspath | jonkri: Not helping what? |
| 19:58.52 | seba_newbie | unstable: cupsys-gimp-print |
| 19:59.05 | jonkri | kspath: never mind |
| 19:59.17 | asg | jml6: install deborphan also or use aptitude in the future; it does better tracking for removal purposes. |
| 19:59.23 | unstable | seba_newbie: That package doesn't exit. |
| 19:59.23 | beardy | unstable: Should work fine with cups then. IIRC cups has a utility to add, list and edit the list of printers. After you installed it, 'apropos cups' and you'll find it. |
| 19:59.25 | unstable | exist* |
| 19:59.26 | evaded | belkin: eehm, yes, same result here :-/ I have not an ipod, so i try to help you an _very_ little bit like i not know about it :-( |
| 19:59.32 | jonkri | cahoot: with xen or with security? |
| 19:59.37 | unstable | When I try to open gnome-cups-manager it tells me it can't contact cups |
| 19:59.47 | belkin | evaded thats ok .. thanks man |
| 19:59.56 | evaded | seba_newbie: I get it ;-) |
| 20:00.07 | seba_newbie | install cupsys ant then... http://localhost:631 to configure |
| 20:00.15 | jonkri | gnufan: well, i'm not that experienced, but i hope i will manage if i read the manual |
| 20:00.18 | cahoot | jonkri: xen |
| 20:00.27 | unstable | I should apt-get install cupsys to print to a network printer? |
| 20:00.35 | beardy | unstable: Have you installed it? |
| 20:00.45 | unstable | beardy: no |
| 20:00.58 | beardy | unstable: Then of course it can't "contact" cups. |
| 20:01.02 | evaded | unstable: there are also -> hpijs - HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs) |
| 20:01.02 | evaded | hplip - HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (hplip) |
| 20:01.40 | kspath | If a virtualized system gets owned does it make a big difference to the outside world? They will still see a system doing unwelcome things. |
| 20:01.49 | jml6 | asg, yeah i never really used aptitude thanks for the tip |
| 20:01.58 | beardy | !cups setup |
| 20:01.58 | dpkg | somebody said cups setup was Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
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| 20:02.14 | asg | jml6: you're welcome |
| 20:02.15 | evaded | unstable: I remember (but not what) that i had need to install an 'hp' package for my HP printer |
| 20:02.20 | jonkri | is there a way that i can get these xen packages today? |
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| 20:02.42 | ttl_ | hi everybody |
| 20:02.48 | jonkri | what is the easiest way of installing debian on a raid-5 system? |
| 20:02.53 | jonkri | i can't use the cd, can i? |
| 20:02.59 | ttl_ | i have a problem with module-assistant |
| 20:03.04 | zimnyx | Ubuntu has some package for swotching network interfaces dynamically (for example when i plug wire) |
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| 20:03.09 | r3tex | how can i tell flash to use esd? |
| 20:03.16 | zimnyx | Does debian too? |
| 20:03.29 | asg | jonkri: software or hardware raid? |
| 20:03.34 | kspath | jonkri: raid-5 system being a software based raid? or a hardware raid that the OS sees as one volume? |
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| 20:03.39 | ttl_ | i'm trying to build the acx100 module |
| 20:03.51 | Blissex | ttl_: waste of time... |
| 20:03.52 | cahoot | zimnyx: isn't that an udev thing? |
| 20:04.27 | unstable | My uri is the ip of the printer right evaded / beardy? |
| 20:04.28 | kspath | jonkri: If hardware based is it recognized as a scsi device(s)? |
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| 20:04.40 | zimnyx | cahoot: no, i saw today one, which lets one to choose wireless lan if threre are several available |
| 20:04.44 | unstable | And I want HP/Laser_Jet_Series |
| 20:04.54 | ttl_ | make: Entering an unknown directory |
| 20:04.56 | ttl_ | make: *** arch/i386/boot: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 20:04.56 | unstable | On the printer it says "HP Lasterjet 4 plus" |
| 20:05.14 | ttl_ | Blissex: what do you mean ? |
| 20:05.18 | beardy | unstable: If it's connected to the network, yes, but if it's coneected via the paralellport, it's localhost. |
| 20:05.36 | zimnyx | cahoot: ubuntu has "network-manager" |
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| 20:05.54 | Blissex | ttl_: it works some for ACX100 chipsets, it does not work that well for ACX111, and using a properly supported chipset (RT2x00, ZyDAS, AtherOS) is a lot better idea. |
| 20:05.57 | fando | what's a good gui thing for listing wireless networks to connect to? |
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| 20:06.07 | zinx | acx100 doesn't do WPA |
| 20:06.15 | ENE|Toxic | Does moving a source folder with a compiled package allow make clean or make uninstall ? |
| 20:06.33 | zinx | it amazes me how many drivers think they're the 100% functional when they don't do WPA. |
| 20:06.43 | asg | fando: just read wireless(7) (add config stanzas to /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 20:07.22 | jonkri | kspath: no, it's not hardware based, unfortunately |
| 20:07.38 | fando | asg: thanks, I do that already, but I'm at some conference with many connect options, so a gui would be nice to select one |
| 20:07.44 | seba_newbie | unstable: sample URI in a samba network= smb://anonseba:mypass@MABYSERVER/lexmarkZ42 |
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| 20:08.23 | evaded | fando: Look to 'kwifimanager' 'kwirelessmonitor' and 'apt-cache search wireless' |
| 20:08.24 | asg | fando: gnome has some network configuration applet but I don't know if it's read for production or even in sid yet. |
| 20:08.34 | fando | ok thanks |
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| 20:10.25 | harbek | hi everyone, how could i disable kernel to load some modules. such as bttv. I have 2.6.8 kernel. when kernel loads bttv it does not care about modprobe.d. |
| 20:11.05 | asg | harbek: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 20:11.38 | ENE|Toxic | Does moving a source folder with a compiled package allow for make clean or make uninstall ? |
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| 20:14.39 | wendyk | ILF, would u mind posting that sources.apt link again for mplayer? |
| 20:15.22 | streuner | !mplayer |
| 20:15.22 | dpkg | [mplayer] not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 20:16.13 | wendyk | "complicated reasons"? |
| 20:16.14 | streuner | wendyk: /msg dpkg marillat, its on marillat's website |
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| 20:17.10 | Zmanu | hi |
| 20:17.18 | jonkri | is there a way to install debian without cd (from outside debian)? |
| 20:17.30 | Zmanu | i want to install pyaiml and i don't find it with aptitude, i use sarge |
| 20:17.33 | jonkri | like, a tarball basesystem i can download? |
| 20:17.41 | LSorensen | jonkri: netboot is an option |
| 20:17.47 | cowman | does anyone know how to get the coaxial out working on a realtek chipset sound system(nforce4 board)? |
| 20:17.51 | LSorensen | jonkri: hdmedia is an option too (never tried that myself) |
| 20:18.00 | jonkri | LSorensen: is netboot easy? :) |
| 20:18.07 | LSorensen | cowman: coax digital? |
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| 20:18.11 | LSorensen | jonkri: depends on your machine |
| 20:18.11 | cowman | yeah |
| 20:18.16 | Zmanu | jonkri: you need a cd to do netinstall |
| 20:18.19 | cowman | the digital out |
| 20:18.26 | LSorensen | cowman: depends if alsa knows your particular board I think |
| 20:18.47 | jonkri | Zmanu: can't i store a image somewhere and use my grup installation? |
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| 20:18.56 | jonkri | LSorensen: i'm in gentoo on a raid-5 array now |
| 20:18.56 | cowman | it's an MSI k8n neo4 platinum |
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| 20:19.09 | kspath | jonkri: grub? |
| 20:19.12 | LSorensen | jonkri: and where is /boot? |
| 20:19.12 | Zmanu | jonkri: never try sorry |
| 20:19.26 | jonkri | LSorensen: on the disk i want to install on, first partition (i want to install on the second partition) |
| 20:19.31 | LSorensen | jonkri: you might be able to. not sure. I have never done such a thing |
| 20:19.34 | kspath | jonkri: "grup" group ? |
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| 20:19.42 | jonkri | oh, grub |
| 20:19.50 | jonkri | yeah |
| 20:19.53 | harbek | asg: acctually the problem occured when i upgrade kernel form 2.4.27 to 2.6.8. I have fly98 tv card. In 2.4.27 kernel it loaded bttv using /etc/modutils which had "option bttv card=56 tuner=5" |
| 20:20.12 | jonkri | i figured i might point grub to a cd image or something |
| 20:20.40 | LSorensen | cowman: on my a7n8x-e-dx asus board, I have alsa showing NVidia nForce2/Realtek ALC650F and it has volume and options for IEC958 (which is the digital port) |
| 20:21.02 | LSorensen | jonkri: cd boot is totally different than any other boot |
| 20:21.11 | ma3x | how do I disable autodetecting hardware on boot up? |
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| 20:21.14 | LSorensen | jonkri: do you have another linux system around that could help? |
| 20:21.21 | jonkri | LSorensen: i have gentoo |
| 20:21.24 | raf256 | I want from command line to connect to host HOST via SMTP/SSL, login as USER using PASS and send text "foo!" attaching file bar.tgz to address@a.com with subject Test, what would be the command line to do so? |
| 20:21.27 | LSorensen | jonkri: on another mahcine? |
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| 20:21.32 | streuner | ma3x: remove hotplug/discover? |
| 20:21.33 | jonkri | i would like a debian tarball |
| 20:21.35 | jonkri | LSorensen: no, same machine |
| 20:21.36 | stew | ma3x: apt-get remove discover dicsover1 hotplug udev |
| 20:21.49 | ma3x | stew, and then probably my usbmouse won't load??? |
| 20:21.50 | LSorensen | jonkri: well netboot requires a boot server. not hard to use if you have one |
| 20:21.51 | harbek | asg: but for kenel 2.6.8 i have created a file named tv in modprobe.d which has the same line, but it whn kernel loads bttv module it didt care about that file |
| 20:22.07 | jonkri | LSorensen: i don't need netboot (i think) |
| 20:22.13 | jonkri | LSorensen: i only need to install debian without a cd :) |
| 20:22.14 | LSorensen | jonkri: do you expect to keep any of your existing system? |
| 20:22.23 | stew | ma3x: but usbhid and mousedev into /etc/modules |
| 20:22.32 | jonkri | LSorensen: no, after debian is installed i will configure xen |
| 20:22.35 | SonnyBurnett | hi, is there a channel about wifi? |
| 20:22.37 | ma3x | stew, btw, I tried what you told me to do (renamed all .ko's of lp, parport...) but I still get that stall at "autodetecting hardware, or something like that" |
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| 20:22.45 | jonkri | LSorensen: and after that i will use xen on this raid-5 array |
| 20:22.47 | kspath | jonkri: There are also debian mailing lists to ask and you can query debian mailing lists archives. |
| 20:22.48 | streuner | SonnyBurnett: #wireless |
| 20:22.50 | stew | ma3x: that's discover |
| 20:22.56 | hjubal | how do I make kernel compilation builds 'dm_mod'? |
| 20:23.03 | SonnyBurnett | streuner, thanks |
| 20:23.06 | ma3x | stew, thank you for the damn useful information! |
| 20:23.07 | ma3x | :[ |
| 20:23.08 | jonkri | kspath: yeah, thanks, i will do that if i don't find the answer |
| 20:23.09 | ma3x | :p |
| 20:23.19 | ma3x | now lets reboot |
| 20:23.32 | kspath | jonkri: The other reason to ask there is there are a number of people that are sleeping now. |
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| 20:23.40 | cowman | hmm I see IEC958 playback, that's at full volume |
| 20:23.44 | jonkri | kspath: ok :) |
| 20:23.52 | seba_newbie | Can someone point me an image thumbnailer ? Not like gthumb or eog. I need to modify the pictures and I have to process entire folders. |
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| 20:24.04 | ma3x | stew, is it possible that discover's package name is 'discover1' ? |
| 20:24.17 | asg | seba_newbie: look at the tools in the imagemagick package |
| 20:24.20 | ma3x | because I have following installed: discover1 discover1-data libdiscover1 |
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| 20:24.45 | ma3x | stew, will my external usb drive work if I remove hotplug? |
| 20:24.57 | kspath | asg: good answer |
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| 20:25.02 | seba_newbie | asg: thanks |
| 20:25.03 | stew | ma3x: yes. yes ; /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 20:25.24 | asg | seba_newbie: you're welcome |
| 20:25.28 | cowman | I also have an optical out, could it be playing audio through the optical instead? |
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| 20:25.31 | stew | ma3x: the only thing you definately cannot do with out udev or hotplug is load firmware to any devices which need firmware loaded at boot time |
| 20:26.06 | asg | kspath: :) |
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| 20:26.08 | LSorensen | jonkri: well check http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd, that seems like what you want |
| 20:26.38 | streuner | ma3x: why do you want remove those packages at all? If a system work just don't touch it... (without real good reasons) |
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| 20:26.47 | LSorensen | jonkri: just requires a couple of files placed on your existing system, and booted. |
| 20:27.04 | LSorensen | jonkri: assuming your hardware is supported, you should be able to install from the internet that way |
| 20:27.17 | cahoot | seba_newbie: http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/ if you want to know some of what IM can do |
| 20:27.18 | ma3x | streuner, I get 2 mins stall on bootup when autodetecting hardware shows up |
| 20:27.22 | kspath | I always find it amusing to see a spike in questions in #debian followed by corresponding articles in some linux/unix related magazines. |
| 20:27.35 | kspath | and vice-versa |
| 20:27.38 | asg | kspath: too true, too true |
| 20:27.41 | streuner | ma3x: lsmod > modules.list |
| 20:27.51 | seba_newbie | choot: Ok. I will try. |
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| 20:28.05 | seba_newbie | cahoot, sorry |
| 20:28.06 | streuner | ma3x: to know which modules are loaded and what you prolly need in any case... |
| 20:28.23 | seba_newbie | it sounds like chroot |
| 20:28.24 | kspath | asg: I subscribe to linux magazine and linux journal and sysadmin and others not the Brit linux mag |
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| 20:29.04 | belkin | need to get java installed ... and the symlink to firefox too |
| 20:29.08 | belkin | any help ? |
| 20:29.18 | streuner | ma3x: usually the kernel loads mostly (almost) everything what it need |
| 20:29.19 | unstable | !tell belkin about java-package |
| 20:29.35 | jonkri | LSorensen: in 5.1.2, what would be the initrd.gz file? |
| 20:29.55 | asg | kspath: *nod* I have a subscription to LJ. Slashdot has been known to seed us also (greycat wrote the sid faq in response to one article) |
| 20:30.01 | LSorensen | jonkri: well whatever the heck they are called for the installer |
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| 20:30.31 | jonkri | LSorensen: yeah, but i mean, that can't be my iso file, right? |
| 20:30.49 | hjubal | belkin, just unzip java package and configure JAVA_HOME, CLASSPATH, JRE_HOME as environment variables |
| 20:30.53 | k31th | im trying to get this pam_mkhomedir pam module to work. However the proccess is owned by apache, Giving apache write access to /home is that a vert bad move ? |
| 20:31.02 | unstable | kspath: yea, except everytime there is an ubuntu article, they all come flocking in here. |
| 20:31.13 | asg | belkin: /msg dpkg java-package ; /msg dpkg firefox java |
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| 20:31.17 | unstable | "How do I get xgl working" |
| 20:31.28 | belkin | thanks all |
| 20:31.31 | k31th | unstable: soon as they here based on debian. |
| 20:31.35 | k31th | hear* |
| 20:31.36 | LSorensen | jonkri: probably you want http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/2.6/initrd.gz and vmlinuz |
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| 20:31.47 | LSorensen | jonkri: iso files only apply to cdrom drive installs |
| 20:32.02 | jonkri | LSorensen: oh. how did you find that? |
| 20:32.03 | LSorensen | jonkri: no cd means no iso |
| 20:32.16 | LSorensen | jonkri: I have done a lot of these things before |
| 20:32.26 | jonkri | LSorensen: cool :) |
| 20:32.28 | LSorensen | jonkri: netboot is very similar to what you are doing |
| 20:32.37 | jonkri | what does "hd-media" means? |
| 20:32.46 | LSorensen | jonkri: with netboot a single file containing both vmlinuz and initrd.gz is sent by tftp/bootp |
| 20:32.56 | jonkri | LSorensen: but i don't need a network for this |
| 20:33.00 | jonkri | LSorensen: i want to do it locally |
| 20:33.02 | LSorensen | jonkri: that you will be installing by booting from the hd from an existing OS |
| 20:33.18 | LSorensen | jonkri: then get a CD. You MUST have an internet connection to do this if you don't have a cd/dvd |
| 20:33.44 | asg | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:33.44 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 20:33.48 | jonkri | LSorensen: i have an internet connection, i only mean that i don't need internet to install the base system |
| 20:33.51 | LSorensen | jonkri: at least I have never seen any support for mouting an iso image in the debian installer. If it supports it I have missed it. |
| 20:33.55 | belkin | right i just installed sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb and how come that java -version |
| 20:33.55 | belkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.55 | belkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.07 | belkin | sorry for this |
| 20:34.17 | LSorensen | jonkri: it will require the internet for base and everything else. It just boots and detects hardware enough to get the network link up |
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| 20:34.31 | jonkri | LSorensen: ok, no problem |
| 20:34.37 | LSorensen | jonkri: the hd media install files are only 4MB |
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| 20:34.42 | LSorensen | jonkri: hardly enough for base |
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| 20:34.54 | jonkri | LSorensen: you're right :) |
| 20:34.56 | kwiat | it would be nice if anyone could help me with this video encoding related problem: http://pastebin.com/679684 thank you very much! |
| 20:35.00 | jonkri | LSorensen: god, i wont find my nic |
| 20:35.13 | seba_newbie | Thanks asg and cahoot, the info you told me is accurate. And I found a Thumbnail tutorial !!!! |
| 20:35.13 | jonkri | "it" |
| 20:35.14 | wendyk | I am trying to mount an nfs drive. I am able to mount an smb drive BUT i am having some difficulty mouning nfs drives on my husband's computer. |
| 20:35.20 | asg | seba_newbie: you're welcome |
| 20:35.56 | wendyk | i edited my /etc/fstab as druid://data nfs noauto,users,rw 0 0 |
| 20:36.04 | wendyk | but when i try to mount it.. i get: |
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| 20:36.23 | jonkri | "01:0b.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6120/VT6121/VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 11) |
| 20:36.24 | jonkri | " |
| 20:36.27 | jonkri | it's integrated |
| 20:36.30 | asg | belkin: you must have some other JVM installed who's binary is first in your PATH. |
| 20:36.35 | unstable | Are there less packages on amd64 vs i386?(I know flash won't work on 64bit) but I mean in general, are there 17,000 packages on amd64 like there are on i386? |
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| 20:36.50 | wendyk | /mistress/twitch /twitch smbfs noauto,users,rw 0 |
| 20:36.50 | wendyk | troll:/data /trolldata nfs noauto,users,rw 0 |
| 20:37.02 | wendyk | sorry. |
| 20:37.31 | dak | unstable: people prolly still gotta build the 64bit packages |
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| 20:37.47 | belkin | yeah done |
| 20:37.49 | belkin | cheers man |
| 20:37.52 | dak | and i386 has more packages compiled then say ppc |
| 20:38.28 | Daedalus_ | wendyk: does 'troll' resolve to the machine's IPaddr? |
| 20:38.32 | jonkri | is there a chance the debian installation will find this card? |
| 20:38.40 | jonkri | i think it requires a kinda new kernel |
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| 20:38.55 | ribnitz | jonkri: what card? |
| 20:39.02 | jonkri | ribnitz: see above |
| 20:39.02 | unstable | jonkri: yes |
| 20:39.18 | wendyk | Daedalus_, yes.. Troll actually works.. I did mount it :-) BUT i am not so sure about druid. I think i need to modify /etc/exports .. NOt sure though. |
| 20:39.18 | jonkri | unreal: "yes" as in "it does" or "yes" as in "there's a chance"? |
| 20:39.26 | sn00p | hello, i'm having a problem with X, everytime I load X the graphics are messed up u cant see the desktop, I have a nvidia geforce 2 video card can anybody help me? |
| 20:39.28 | unstable | jonkri: It will probably work. |
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| 20:39.37 | wendyk | Daedalus_, i only get that message when trying to mount: druid |
| 20:39.40 | unstable | sn00p: What version of debian are you using? |
| 20:39.43 | jonkri | unstable: that's great |
| 20:39.59 | sn00p | untable: 3.1 sarge |
| 20:40.00 | wendyk | Daedalus_, both druid and troll have slackware on them. Troll works fine when i mount it. |
| 20:40.17 | unstable | sn00p: So you're running xfree86 and not xorg? |
| 20:40.19 | Daedalus_ | wendyk: see the nfs entry for troll? you need to make your druid entry look the same, (aside from the machine name and path) |
| 20:40.27 | sn00p | unstable: yea |
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| 20:40.46 | unstable | sn00p: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and choose "nv" as the driver. |
| 20:40.47 | wendyk | Daedalus_, when u say nfs entry..u mean /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:40.57 | Daedalus_ | wendyk: the druid entry you pasted had one too many slashes, if I recall |
| 20:41.01 | Daedalus_ | right |
| 20:41.13 | wendyk | Daedalus_, checking... |
| 20:41.32 | sn00p | unstable: ok, i'll try i s there any way I can upgrade to xorg? |
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| 20:41.46 | unstable | sn00p: Is this machine a desktop or a production server? |
| 20:41.53 | sn00p | unstable: dsktop |
| 20:41.59 | unstable | sn00p: Home or office? |
| 20:42.02 | sn00p | home |
| 20:42.07 | sn00p | i heard it was unstable |
| 20:42.09 | unstable | sn00p: Why not dist-upgrade to etch. |
| 20:42.15 | unstable | !tell sn00p about sarge->etch |
| 20:42.36 | beardy | sn00p: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 20:42.48 | sn00p | /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 20:42.49 | sn00p | * lpb-oberon has quit IRC (Remote closed the con |
| 20:42.50 | sn00p | opps |
| 20:43.16 | sn00p | sorry for the paste |
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| 20:44.16 | tarzeau | kspath: there? |
| 20:44.26 | tarzeau | kspath: please can you translate me "jo mellek"? |
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| 20:44.55 | kspath | tarzeau: just a minute... |
| 20:45.01 | tarzeau | kspath: thanks |
| 20:45.33 | wendyk | wendy@debian:~$ mount /druiddata/ |
| 20:45.33 | wendyk | mount: RPC: Program not registered |
| 20:45.39 | kspath | tarzeau: any accent on jo ? |
| 20:45.40 | wendyk | what does the above mean? |
| 20:45.50 | tarzeau | kspath: yes i think, i'm not sure which |
| 20:46.02 | tarzeau | wendyk: you need to run portmapper |
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| 20:46.03 | tarzeau | !RPC |
| 20:46.03 | dpkg | [rpc] remote procedure call, a protocol used for executing procedures on a (usually remote) server |
| 20:46.06 | tarzeau | !PORTMAP |
| 20:46.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, portmap is for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 20:46.21 | wendyk | tarzeau, locally or on the druid machine? |
| 20:46.33 | tarzeau | wendyk: nfs needs rpc on client and server |
| 20:46.54 | ryan` | is there a seperate package needed to get the grub-set-default program? |
| 20:46.54 | tarzeau | kspath: it's hard to translate? |
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| 20:47.26 | abrotman | you asked him for help .. is there an accent or not! |
| 20:47.29 | kspath | tarzeau: you sure that is doulbe L? |
| 20:47.38 | tarzeau | kspath: maybe just one? |
| 20:47.42 | tarzeau | kspath: whats "jestern zmeczony"? |
| 20:47.51 | wendyk | tarzeau, i am sorry but how can i check if my husband's computer is running portmapper? |
| 20:47.57 | N | eee |
| 20:48.00 | tarzeau | wendyk: ask your husband? |
| 20:48.02 | kspath | tarzeau: I assumed polish so I was looking in polish dictionary. |
| 20:48.10 | wendyk | tarzeau, i would if he was here. :-) |
| 20:48.10 | kspath | tarzeau: Checking... |
| 20:48.10 | Daedalus_ | wendyk: is it running an nfs server? |
| 20:48.12 | PredaGR | anyone knows why windows platform prints wrong colors with any driver, like adobe, cups or ms postscript, through IPP |
| 20:48.13 | tarzeau | kspath: yes it's supposed to be polish |
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| 20:48.33 | sorpigal | I need a Big Fat web content management system to propose instead of my employer buying a asp.net piece of crap. Any suggestions? |
| 20:48.34 | samuel | is there a way to search dpkg for packages "similar" to such-and-such |
| 20:48.35 | wendyk | Daedalus_, yes i believe so. He has another nfs drive mounted. |
| 20:48.49 | ifvoid | samuel: similar in what way? |
| 20:49.03 | wendyk | Daedalus_, but i have access to his computer. So I can check if he has portmap or not. :-) |
| 20:49.09 | evaded | sorpigal: Plone?? |
| 20:49.16 | quitte | PredaGR: random guess: double color correction? |
| 20:49.24 | samuel | ifvoid, in their function: like firefox is similar to mozilla konqueror... etc... |
| 20:49.30 | shogunx | wendyk ps -e | grep portmap |
| 20:49.34 | cahoot | wendyk: does pgrep portmap |
| 20:49.35 | kspath | tarzeau: Well jestern starts with jest so it is either this or that or some or still or yet |
| 20:49.35 | evaded | sorpigal: And Zope also |
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| 20:49.49 | abrotman | sorpigal: ask #web ? |
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| 20:50.07 | sorpigal | evaded: aren't those more like frameworks for making content management systems? |
| 20:50.11 | sorpigal | abrotman: will do |
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| 20:50.17 | wendyk | yetistomps@druid:/data/linbackup$ ps -e | grep portmap |
| 20:50.17 | wendyk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.23 | evaded | sorpigal: Look to man ;-) |
| 20:50.44 | ifvoid | samuel: debtags is supposed to be able to do stuff like that |
| 20:50.49 | kspath | tarzeau: zmeczony appears to be related to tired or fatigue |
| 20:50.52 | tarzeau | kspath: could one mean "i am tired" |
| 20:50.52 | evaded | sorpigal: You can do what you want with zope |
| 20:50.54 | shogunx | wendyk you are trying to mount an export from your husbands machine? |
| 20:51.01 | kspath | tarzeau: Yes, it could. |
| 20:51.03 | tarzeau | kspath: i see thank you. and the other "you have nice tits"? |
| 20:51.07 | ifvoid | samuel: http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 20:51.07 | wendyk | shogunx, yes.. his data drive which i need. :-) |
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| 20:51.14 | kspath | tarzeau: no |
| 20:51.16 | samuel | ifvoid, thanks |
| 20:51.34 | ifvoid | !debtags |
| 20:51.35 | dpkg | hmm... debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go! |
| 20:51.37 | kspath | tarzeau: The other would have to be slang. Not in a well known very good dictionary. |
| 20:51.45 | belkin | anyone know why banshee |
| 20:51.45 | belkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.47 | ifvoid | !debtags is also http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 20:51.47 | tarzeau | kspath: yes it's slang |
| 20:51.47 | dpkg | ifvoid: okay |
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| 20:52.00 | kspath | tarzeau: I do not have a Polish slang dictionary. |
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| 20:52.14 | tarzeau | kspath: hehe :) ok thanks for your help anyways |
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| 20:52.24 | shogunx | wendyk make sure nfs-kernel-server is running with /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart and make sure the directory is exported in /etc/exports then exportfs -a on his machine. |
| 20:52.24 | kspath | tarzeau: I have never heard that slang in Polish for tits/boobs sorry. |
| 20:52.32 | abrotman | oh .. this should be good |
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| 20:52.56 | shogunx | wendyk also make sure nfs-common is running on your client machine with /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart |
| 20:52.59 | abrotman | anyone see a troll coming? |
| 20:53.05 | kspath | tarzeau: I have heard a lot of Polish. Perhaps the person is from a part of Poland with other slavic or other influences in language. |
| 20:53.35 | kspath | tarzeau: Else it is very crude slang or uncommon slang or VERY new slang. |
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| 20:53.54 | tarzeau | kspath: hehe :) |
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| 20:54.32 | kspath | tarzeau: An actual polish person comfirmed that first one is not any known Polish. |
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| 20:54.57 | wendyk | shogunx, ok.. I believe nfs works on my end because I mounted a nfs drive from another machine he has. Just this particular machine which has the data i need does not want to mount. Forgive my ignorance but what will exportfs -a do on my husband's machine? |
| 20:54.58 | kspath | tarzeau: I did find the rough translation of the second one which is valid Polish. |
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| 20:55.40 | tarzeau | kspath: what did it translate into? |
| 20:55.43 | shogunx | wendyk it will export all directories listed in his /etc/exports |
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| 20:56.12 | kspath | tarzeau: The first one did not translate it is not Polish. The second did indeed translate as I am tired. |
| 20:56.32 | wendyk | shogunx, exportfs -a .. command not found. :-( |
| 20:56.36 | tarzeau | kspath: ok i was so sure it was polish, but ok |
| 20:56.59 | kspath | tarzeau: If it is Polish than it is made up Polish less than 10 years old. |
| 20:57.11 | tarzeau | kspath: is polish so hard? |
| 20:57.13 | kspath | tarzeau: Else uncommon regional. |
| 20:57.15 | glut | tarzeau: what do you want to translate from polish ? |
| 20:57.23 | tarzeau | glut: "jo melek"? |
| 20:57.29 | shogunx | wendyk are you root on his machine? |
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| 20:57.36 | glut | tarzeau: it's not polish for sure |
| 20:57.40 | kspath | tarzeau: no, it is not. Looking things up in a Polish dictionary or any dictionary takes time. |
| 20:57.43 | tarzeau | glut: ok thanks |
| 20:57.50 | kspath | tarzeau: I use paper. |
| 20:57.55 | tarzeau | kspath: ok, it's fine. not soooo important |
| 20:58.00 | wendyk | shogunx, yes.. atm. |
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| 20:58.09 | tarzeau | kspath: i've also got paper dictionaries, just not polish |
| 20:58.20 | shogunx | wendyk exportfs gets installed in /usr/sbin my the nfs-kernel-server package. if its not there, apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
| 20:58.27 | wendyk | shogunx, oh it worked. Sorry.. |
| 20:58.43 | wendyk | shogunx, now.. that its exported what do i do? |
| 20:58.58 | glut | tarzeau: if it is, "melek" is a nick, and jo is sth like "yo" |
| 20:58.59 | kspath | tarzeau: Kosciuszko Foundation makes very good English/Polish Polish/English dictionaries. I do not know of other translations. |
| 20:59.03 | shogunx | wendyk try to mount it again from your client machine. |
| 20:59.09 | wendyk | shogunx, okies. |
| 20:59.24 | sn00p | unstable: I chose nv in dpkg-reconfigure and its still messed up |
| 20:59.33 | glut | tarzeau: it doesn't sound like polish though |
| 20:59.52 | stew | sn00p: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 21:00.00 | wendyk | shogunx, RPC: Program not registered. :-( |
| 21:00.03 | adii | hello |
| 21:00.14 | seba_newbie | gtk based, lookup dictionary = stardict.sourceforge.net |
| 21:00.34 | seba_newbie | you can point to any word in screen |
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| 21:00.40 | tarzeau | glut: like yo or you? |
| 21:00.47 | adii | i've just apt-get installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp . isn't there something to do with grub so it does not crash on next reboot ? |
| 21:00.50 | tarzeau | glut: i was told it means "nice tits" |
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| 21:01.09 | glut | tarzeau: you were told wrong |
| 21:01.11 | kspath | tarzeau: jo does not make sense to me and the second word does not occur in dictionary |
| 21:01.11 | stew | wendyk: do you have nfs-common installed? |
| 21:01.20 | glut | tarzeau: yo, like hello , hi, |
| 21:01.32 | wendyk | stew, locally or my husbands' machine? |
| 21:01.42 | stew | wendyk: the client machine |
| 21:01.45 | stew | both really |
| 21:01.46 | glut | tarzeau: nice tits is "niez³e cycki" |
| 21:01.50 | kspath | tarzeau: j is pronouced like y in English. |
| 21:01.55 | wendyk | stew, I have it because I am able to mount other nfs drives with no probs. |
| 21:01.55 | tarzeau | glut: thanks |
| 21:02.06 | adii | kspath : jam ? |
| 21:02.12 | seba_newbie | lindas tetas |
| 21:02.13 | shogunx | wendyk portmap, nfs-common, and nfs-kernel-server need to be enabled on the server, and portmap and nfs-common on the client. the server must also have kernel support for nfs. you must also add a line like this: /exports 192.168.23.23(rw,no_root_squash,insecure,async) with the correct info for your setup to /etc/exports on the server before running exportfs -a |
| 21:02.14 | tarzeau | glut: what's ³e ? the 3? |
| 21:02.30 | kspath | tarzeau: e accented |
| 21:02.38 | adii | please have a look on my question when you have spare time :) |
| 21:02.54 | glut | tarzeau: ³ like l, very polish sound |
| 21:03.04 | wendyk | shogunx, the 192.168.x.x being my client ..right? |
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| 21:03.13 | kspath | adii: jam appears to be English though we are already off-topic long ago. |
| 21:03.16 | shogunx | wendyk right |
| 21:03.22 | adii | yea :p |
| 21:03.26 | wendyk | shogunx, okies.. let me try that. |
| 21:03.27 | stew | wendyk: or you can use 192.168.*.* |
| 21:03.29 | tarzeau | glut, kspath thank you. i think i can get along fine in .pl now |
| 21:03.42 | tarzeau | "nice tits" .. have fun .. "i'm tired", heh |
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| 21:03.58 | glut | :D |
| 21:04.12 | kspath | adii: I assumed tarzeau was asking about something in a debian related email until I heard about the tits parts. |
| 21:04.37 | Firehand | how can i add a label to a volume? the volume is xfs formatted if this matters... |
| 21:04.41 | adii | lol |
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| 21:05.30 | wendyk | shogunx, this is what my husband's /etc/export file looks like: |
| 21:05.56 | wendyk | --> /data/ *(rw,async,all_squash) |
| 21:05.58 | kspath | tarzeau: It could have been someone that "knows" Polish but native tongue is slavic or other... |
| 21:05.58 | wendyk | and |
| 21:06.05 | wendyk | --> /trolldata/ *(rw,async,all_squash) |
| 21:06.29 | wendyk | shogunx, is that acceptable? or do i need to modify it? |
| 21:06.30 | Firehand | never mind... got it :) |
| 21:06.39 | tarzeau | Firehand! |
| 21:06.50 | Firehand | tarzeau! |
| 21:06.57 | shogunx | wendyk looks like that should work. make sure the mountpoint on your client matches. |
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| 21:07.39 | wendyk | shogunx, so what u are saying is that my mount point should be named: data not ... druiddata..or anytning like that. |
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| 21:08.18 | LoneWlf | yr a towel |
| 21:08.21 | shogunx | wendyk: here is an exports line, followed by the accompaning mountpoint in client fstab: |
| 21:08.35 | shogunx | /mnt/1/video 192.168.23.23(rw,no_root_squash,insecure,async) |
| 21:08.49 | shogunx | manticore:/mnt/1/video /archive/video nfs exec,dev,suid,rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 1 1 |
| 21:08.55 | macsim | is there an easy way to convert a .mov file on animated gif ? |
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| 21:09.39 | beardy | macsim: The Gimp, but probably not as easy as you want it to be. |
| 21:09.52 | wendyk | shogunx, okies.. here is what i have on my /etc/fstab for druid machine: |
| 21:10.20 | beardy | macsim: (if it's even possible, but if it can open a .mov, it should be) |
| 21:10.22 | macsim | beardy: I really to open a term just what to now if there is a kind of soft like vid2gif or something like that |
| 21:10.32 | PredaGR | quitte: sorry wansn't here before, you mention double color correction, that seems to fit right in, but how do I fix it? |
| 21:10.32 | wendyk | druid:/data /druiddata nfs noauto,users,rw 0 0 |
| 21:10.39 | macsim | beardy: will try with gimp but hum ... |
| 21:10.51 | beardy | macsim: Not that I know of, tried to search the web? |
| 21:10.51 | wendyk | Supaplex, sorry :-) |
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| 21:11.04 | Supaplex | no, that's ok. you used just one line. :) |
| 21:11.14 | shogunx | wendyk druid:/data shoudl read your_husbands_machine:/data |
| 21:11.20 | macsim | beardy: I allready try, I have found a solution with mplayer but seam buggy |
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| 21:11.44 | macsim | beardy: gimp says Unknow file |
| 21:12.01 | wendyk | shogunx, druid is defined in hosts as 192.168.x.x :-) |
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| 21:12.22 | quitte | PredaGR: i have no idea. it really was just a guess |
| 21:12.22 | wendyk | shogunx, is that ok? |
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| 21:12.39 | Supaplex | wendyk: /net/ (or /media in some situations) is the suggested prefix for network mounted file systems. eg, /net/druid/data. it'll work the way you have it, but certian cronjobs may index that leaf etc. |
| 21:12.46 | shogunx | wendyk thats fine, but it soulds like you are trying to mount a partition on druid in that line. |
| 21:12.46 | beardy | macsim: Ok, perhaps if you convert it to .avi, but still, it's probably a lot of work. How is it buggy with mplayer, yes IIRC you can output each frame to .jpg atleast, with mplayer. |
| 21:13.00 | quitte | PredaGR: switch of color correction either on the print server or the windows machine |
| 21:13.14 | gecko2 | gn8 |
| 21:13.18 | macsim | beardy: jpeg or gif stop working after the same frame :/ |
| 21:13.25 | PredaGR | quitte: thanks will try this |
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| 21:13.32 | Daedalus_ | Supaplex: good note, but that's beside the point atm. (i.e. don't distract the user) |
| 21:13.34 | Daedalus_ | ;) |
| 21:13.36 | macsim | beardy: with mplayer so I try to convert the movie as .avi |
| 21:13.54 | Supaplex | !confuse Daedalus_ |
| 21:13.55 | dpkg | No, how is their pants today, Daedalus_? lederhosen of the monarchy of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 21:14.02 | wendyk | shogunx, oh.. i think that may be wrong then... if druid:/data actually is a data drive within druid (druid has two hard drives)... is my /etc/fstab wrong? |
| 21:14.03 | Supaplex | :> |
| 21:14.15 | tuv | is anyone having problems with ipw2200 modules in kernel 2.6.15 and not in 2.6.16? |
| 21:14.17 | Daedalus_ | Heh |
| 21:14.32 | shogunx | wendyk change this: druid:/data /druiddata nfs noauto,users,rw 0 0 |
| 21:14.37 | Supaplex | tuv: with or without module assistant? |
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| 21:14.48 | tuv | Supaplex, it's in-kernel |
| 21:14.52 | beardy | macsim: Do you have a recent version of mplayer, if not, perhaps updating it, if possible, could fix the problem, if it really is a bug? |
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| 21:14.59 | Supaplex | so without. |
| 21:15.01 | macsim | beardy: shame on me the video wasn't full it's the reason why mplayer stop quick :/ |
| 21:15.20 | shogunx | to read this: $your_husbands_ip_or_hostname:/data /druiddata nfs noauto,users,rw 0 0 |
| 21:15.38 | Supaplex | tuv: while I, and many others do not have that piece of hardware, try asking anyway. if someone does know they will answer. |
| 21:15.39 | tuv | Supaplex, well will it make any difference if i used m-a? ipw2200-source is of the same version as the in-kernel modules |
| 21:16.42 | shogunx | wendyk in the client machines fstab |
| 21:16.42 | macsim | beardy: sorry I made you lost your time sorry |
| 21:16.42 | beardy | macsim: Not full, as in a broken file? |
| 21:16.42 | wendyk | shogunx, okies... :-) |
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| 21:16.43 | beardy | macsim: No problem :) So it works now? |
| 21:16.44 | macsim | beardy: not completely download (It's a teaser) |
| 21:16.44 | Supaplex | tuv: I would use mainstream or the other, not both. |
| 21:16.44 | macsim | beardy: yes it works ;) |
| 21:16.44 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:16.44 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:16.44 | beardy | macsim: Ah, I see. |
| 21:16.45 | macsim | beardy: thanks anyway |
| 21:16.45 | beardy | macsim: You're welcome. |
| 21:16.45 | macsim | beardy: Ice age 2 ^^ |
| 21:17.14 | ryan` | i just built grub from source, and when it tries to load, i just get a lot of *********s on my screen. Anyone know what that means? |
| 21:17.17 | tuv | Supaplex, i'm thinking of building a newer version manually.. was hoping for a cleaner solution though as manually upgrading ipw2200 is not very attractive |
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| 21:18.14 | rubyat | did you run grub? |
| 21:18.18 | Supaplex | tuv: I hear that. I spent quite a bit of time with ndiswrapper for my wireless usb, which still has borne no fruit. :-/ |
| 21:18.20 | ryan` | rubyat, yes |
| 21:18.45 | rubyat | menu.lst is set up properly? |
| 21:18.50 | wendyk | shogunx, done. Still the same error. Umm.. |
| 21:18.50 | ribnitz | Is there a PC word for foolproof? |
| 21:18.58 | Supaplex | tuv: silly thing didn't make distclean before each run, and I spent multiple invocations of m-a troubleshooting why it fails. |
| 21:19.03 | Supaplex | ribnitz: yea, "myth" |
| 21:19.05 | ryan` | rubyat: yes. |
| 21:19.12 | rubyat | hmmm |
| 21:19.17 | zinx | ribnitz: no, in the computer world our fools are much much more persistent |
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| 21:19.35 | rubyat | over my head then |
| 21:19.44 | vin` | tuv: yes, moved to 1.1.2 with firmware v3, stable now. (did it manually) |
| 21:19.48 | ryan` | rubyat, I built a sarge package from the source from the testing version of grub because I need grub-set-default. |
| 21:19.58 | Supaplex | !foolproof |
| 21:19.58 | dpkg | You can never make anything foolproof, because fools are so ingenious. a "myth" |
| 21:20.25 | shogunx | wendyk do this on the server: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop && /etc/init.d/nfs-common stop && /etc/init.d/portmap stop && /etc/init.d/portmap start && /etc/init.d/nfs-common start && /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start && exportfs -a |
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| 21:20.34 | ryan` | and i can't google it because google can't search for literal ***s |
| 21:20.47 | ribnitz | Supaplex: just wondered if there is anything simpler (as a webmail client) than Ilohamail.. |
| 21:20.53 | tarzeau | hi ribnitz |
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| 21:21.09 | ribnitz | tarzeau: hi there. How are things? |
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| 21:21.11 | wendyk | shogunx, okies.. |
| 21:21.19 | rubyat | ryan` hope someone else can help |
| 21:21.20 | zinx | ryan`: the grub info manual may have some insight, i dunno |
| 21:21.30 | tarzeau | ribnitz: fine, check your query? |
| 21:21.47 | shogunx | wendyk then: /etc/init.d/nfs-common stop && /etc/init.d/portmap stop && /etc/init.d/portmap start && /etc/init.d/nfs-common start && mount /druiddata on the client |
| 21:21.53 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i'm so bored, i do stuff like look for photos: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
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| 21:22.10 | tarzeau | ribnitz: and i eat kellogs müsli that looks like dog food |
| 21:22.49 | ribnitz | tarzeau: look at www.contribs.org. Try to get that out of its packaging. |
| 21:23.14 | davis | i am using xorg X11 server. It works but it is in 640x480 mode. I have looked at /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it has 1600x1200 resolutoin listed. What is problem? |
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| 21:23.41 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Which is currently sonmething rh based. |
| 21:24.02 | tarzeau | ribnitz: it's not a game |
| 21:24.07 | tarzeau | ribnitz: or a dating tool... |
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| 21:24.30 | tarzeau | ribnitz: nobody gets rich by working |
| 21:24.37 | tarzeau | ribnitz: but /msg me if you want to rob a bank |
| 21:24.45 | ribnitz | tarzeau: How many playful dating tools do you maintain? ;) |
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| 21:25.00 | lewis | anything wrong with a entire debian system on a 6 hard-disk RAID5 array? |
| 21:25.02 | Supaplex | ohhhhkay now... |
| 21:25.02 | ryan` | hmmm |
| 21:25.10 | EvilDin | is there any fine firewall included in debian |
| 21:25.14 | Supaplex | lewis: I'll take one, if it's free. |
| 21:25.15 | lewis | (box will be used for storage only) |
| 21:25.20 | tarzeau | EvilDin: ipf(w) or iptables |
| 21:25.39 | ribnitz | lewis: six harddisks is unusual for raid5. And the usual performance caveats apply. |
| 21:25.39 | tarzeau | EvilDin: shorewall is a nice higher level thing |
| 21:25.49 | EvilDin | are there iptables hard to configure |
| 21:25.52 | unstable_ | What is a classic example of a stupid software idea patent that exists now and it probably shouldn't?(please don't say all software idea patents...I know they're evil..but I need an example for class) |
| 21:25.53 | tarzeau | EvilDin: no |
| 21:25.54 | lewis | RAID6 then? |
| 21:26.14 | EvilDin | about shorewall, does it work when pc is restarted |
| 21:26.16 | tarzeau | lewis: raid number doesn't relate to number of disks |
| 21:26.20 | shogunx | Unstable_ unisys's gif |
| 21:26.25 | ribnitz | unstable_: Progress bar. |
| 21:26.25 | tarzeau | lewis: www.linuks.mine.nu/raid.jpg |
| 21:26.28 | jade | any security updates i should think about applying to my sarge system? |
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| 21:26.44 | lewis | tarzeau: saw that yesterday - made me laugh |
| 21:26.46 | unstable_ | thanks shogunx and ribnitz |
| 21:26.56 | ribnitz | lewis: Raid10, for performance. |
| 21:27.12 | ribnitz | lewis: but its hard on the cpu if you do that in software. |
| 21:27.12 | lewis | tarzeau: RAID6 covers two failures, and is for larger arrays though (hence me mentioning it) |
| 21:27.14 | sepski | jade, all that aplies to your system, just add the security repos to your sources list and let apt figure out the details. |
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| 21:27.28 | shogunx | thats a nice raid tarzeau |
| 21:27.34 | sepski | !tell jade about security |
| 21:27.45 | ribnitz | lewis: RAID6 is awfully expensive. |
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| 21:28.02 | unstable_ | ribnitz: I think that patent is only in Europe no? |
| 21:28.09 | [lain] | good bye |
| 21:28.11 | jade | sepski, super, thanks! |
| 21:28.15 | ribnitz | unstable_: I dont know. |
| 21:28.25 | ribnitz | unstable_: otherwise one-click patent? |
| 21:28.30 | Blissex | ribnitz: lewis: http://WWW.BAARF.com/ |
| 21:28.37 | lewis | ok, so, if you had six hard disks at your disposal (same size), and you wanted to use the debian box for storage only, where redundancy was important, what RAID implementation would you use? |
| 21:28.54 | EvilDin | am where is conf file of iptables? |
| 21:28.55 | ribnitz | Blissex: thats the RAID10 is better than RAID5 stuff. |
| 21:28.58 | sepski | lewis, raid5+hot standby |
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| 21:29.37 | lewis | am I right in thinking that you lose space with RAID5? |
| 21:29.40 | petemc | EvilDin: if you're not prepared to do some reading up on iptables, you'll need a front end like shorewall, though you'll really still need to do some research |
| 21:29.43 | lewis | i.e. 3x 100Gb = 200Gb array? |
| 21:29.50 | ribnitz | lewis: how write intensive are your apps? |
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| 21:30.10 | EvilDin | am does shorewall to everything by itself? |
| 21:30.10 | sepski | lewis, the more space you loose the more secure you are |
| 21:30.18 | Blissex | lewis: dont worry, RAID is about losing space. |
| 21:30.20 | petemc | lewis: if you want redundancy, you'll need to sacrifice some space, no getting around that |
| 21:30.21 | lewis | ribnitz: backup purposes only, so once a day, and write/read speeds not that important |
| 21:30.22 | ribnitz | lewis: y<ou do that with every raid. With raid5 its one disk (used for parity). |
| 21:30.28 | EvilDin | do i add there only ports |
| 21:30.35 | sepski | lewis, a raid 1 of 6 disks gives you 1 disk of storage, but you can loose 5 of them and still be up |
| 21:30.42 | GoCooL | compiled a new kernel (2.6.11.7) on my Debain Sarge, initrd, vmlinuz is all there under /boot, and grub menu.lst has the entires too, but when i boot into the new kernel i get a kernel panic??? |
| 21:30.48 | ribnitz | lewis: the disks are new, and recent? |
| 21:30.55 | GoCooL | any tips? |
| 21:31.00 | lewis | ribnitz - yes |
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| 21:31.23 | lewis | ribnitz: I liked the idea of 5x RAID5 - with 1 hot-swap standby |
| 21:31.28 | sepski | GoCooL, perhaps your initrd lack drivers for your disk controller and/or filesystem |
| 21:31.40 | petemc | GoCooL: you perhaps left something out when you compiled the kernel, and do you need the initrd? |
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| 21:32.15 | GoCooL | sepski: i think so too, but the question is where do i go from here? how do i debug etc |
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| 21:32.16 | ribnitz | lewis: RAID1, and RAID10 give you write performance, and not too big a loss when running degraded. RAID5 gives you flexibility, less data loss, but a "noticable" performance drop when running degraded. |
| 21:32.33 | sepski | GoCooL, you read the errors before the panic and determin what is wrong |
| 21:32.40 | niklas-komani | hey guys I have a problem wich needs to be solved really fast, our exim4 server has been compromised by spammers and I want do deinstall it hower apt-get remove exim4 just deinstalls a tiny package and apt-get remove exim4-bas exim4-config trys to remove mysql too |
| 21:32.46 | ribnitz | lewis: so if yxou do RAID5. count in a spare disk. |
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| 21:32.54 | GoCooL | petemc: yes, i believe i do need the initrd |
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| 21:33.05 | petemc | GoCooL: why? |
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| 21:33.43 | lewis | ribnitz: can debian automatically use the standby? |
| 21:33.53 | lewis | oh - I guess it depends on hardware or software |
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| 21:33.57 | ribnitz | lewis: I think so. |
| 21:33.57 | stew | ribnitz: RAID5 gives you less data loss than RAID1? |
| 21:34.06 | GoCooL | well, i've got usb, dvd drivers etc whose modules need to be loaded which is one of the things initrd ramdisk does, right? |
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| 21:34.15 | stew | ribnitz: oh, nm i see, you mean less space wasted |
| 21:34.23 | niklas-komani | hey guys please help me you don't like spammers do you |
| 21:34.23 | ribnitz | stew: RAID1: 50% data lost. RAID5: 1/n lost. |
| 21:34.27 | petemc | stew: 2/3 vs 1/2, no? |
| 21:34.27 | sepski | niklas-komani, removing exim will probably not help it's unlikely that exim is the source of the intrution |
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| 21:34.30 | stew | ribnitz: i though you wre talking about reliability |
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| 21:34.40 | sepski | niklas-komani, disconnect the server. |
| 21:34.40 | lewis | what about battery backed RAID cache stuff, that worth investing in? |
| 21:34.46 | ribnitz | stew: RAID1-5 all cover the loss of one disk. |
| 21:34.51 | quitte | niklas-komani: you could instead stop exim from running and then relax before doing any further steps in panic |
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| 21:35.11 | ribnitz | lewis: Depends on your application. Probably not. |
| 21:35.20 | niklas-komani | I think it must be exim since a friend installed it without sufficient authenthication methods and top shows that exim takes huge ressources now |
| 21:35.25 | lewis | it sounds good though :P |
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| 21:35.53 | niklas-komani | i removed exim from the cron folders and from init.d |
| 21:36.00 | petemc | niklas-komani: it could also be badly coded php |
| 21:36.02 | sepski | niklas-komani, if someone sends mail from your system thru some hole. _obviously_ exim beeing the mta will be busy since it have to deliver it |
| 21:36.05 | wishkah | is there a way to find out which process is accessing my IDE HDD? it's accessed every 5 seconds or so and that keeps it from spinning down (ibm TP x22) |
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| 21:36.22 | wishkah | lsof doesn't help :( |
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| 21:36.28 | ribnitz | lewis: I had the same trouble like 3 weeks ago. We finally settlwed for a 3 drive raid5 with a standby disk, and an identical offsite machine. |
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| 21:36.35 | wendyk | shogunx, *sigh* :-) I must be doing something wrong.. But i did follow your instructions to the letter. :-) |
| 21:36.39 | sepski | niklas-komani, wrong you stop it with /etc/init.d/exim4 stop |
| 21:36.45 | niklas-komani | so no mta running will stop it and we don't need a email server that much |
| 21:36.47 | mlowe | wishkah, gkrellm has a disk monitor |
| 21:37.13 | petemc | mlowe: it doesnt tell you whats accessing the disk tho, does it? |
| 21:37.17 | niklas-komani | i did killall exim4 before I know it's not the elegant way but it should help |
| 21:37.18 | wendyk | shogunx, i am trying to do the reverse. Mount /home/wendy/stuff to my husband's computer ... HOw do I give my husband permission to mount my /home/wendy/stuff ? |
| 21:37.19 | ribnitz | lewis: in software, ofc. |
| 21:37.20 | shogunx | wendyk still the same error? |
| 21:37.21 | wishkah | mlowe: I know the disk is being accessed, and I don't think gkrellm shows you which process does the IO |
| 21:37.28 | GoCooL | sepski: if i tried to recompile, would the steps be the same as compiling the first time? |
| 21:37.30 | sepski | niklas-komani, no it will only stop exim, it wont fix your security problem with a owned server |
| 21:37.35 | shogunx | wendyk /etc/exports |
| 21:37.50 | sepski | GoCooL, who knows i use debian kernel-images |
| 21:37.53 | mlowe | wishkah, petemc sorry i missed part of the question |
| 21:37.54 | ribnitz | wishkah: checked swap? |
| 21:37.56 | wendyk | shogunx, yes. RPC: Program not registered. :-) THe odd thing is i am able to mount an nfs drive on his other computer (he runs slackware) |
| 21:38.06 | sepski | GoCooL, if someinth require more recent kernel i use kernels from backports.org |
| 21:38.22 | wishkah | ribnitz: it's not in use according to free, but I also turned it off to be on the safe side - problem persists :( |
| 21:38.32 | niklas-komani | I don't think it's a real security problem but turned on anonymous smtp |
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| 21:38.43 | wendyk | /home/wendy/stuff/ *(rw,async,all_squash) \ druid(rw,no_root_squash,async) \ |
| 21:38.48 | Percotz | someom ehere with lilo ? |
| 21:38.52 | petemc | niklas-komani: telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org |
| 21:38.57 | wendyk | shogunx, that's on my /etc/exports ^^ |
| 21:38.57 | ribnitz | wishkah: what does top show, where does the cpu spend its cycles? |
| 21:38.59 | sepski | niklas-komani, ahh your a open relay |
| 21:39.05 | petemc | niklas-komani: tho, ig your mta isnt running, that wont tell you much |
| 21:39.10 | petemc | s/ig/if/ |
| 21:39.20 | sepski | niklas-komani, a open rely is not a compromised server :) |
| 21:39.38 | niklas-komani | what then |
| 21:39.38 | sepski | niklas-komani, thats just a dumb server administrator |
| 21:39.38 | shogunx | wendyk try dropping the trailing slash from the /home/wendy/stuff/ |
| 21:40.03 | niklas-komani | hehe teh server admin who installed exim4 is now in egypt in a swimming pool |
| 21:40.16 | ribnitz | niklas-komani: so? |
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| 21:40.23 | niklas-komani | so stopping exim4 will help won't it |
| 21:40.25 | GoCooL | sepski: what exactly do u do from backports.org? |
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| 21:40.28 | meny | can someone here help me im trying to move to debian from xp and i got a few problms |
| 21:40.37 | sepski | GoCooL, i read the instructions |
| 21:40.38 | ribnitz | niklas-komani: try RESTARTING it. |
| 21:40.54 | h3xis | meny, like? |
| 21:40.55 | stew | meny: if you have an actual quesion, just ask it |
| 21:40.58 | ribnitz | meny: ask more specifically. |
| 21:41.01 | wishkah | ribnitz: hm, / is XFS, and xfslogd is running... could that be it? |
| 21:41.02 | meny | ok |
| 21:41.05 | godmachine81 | i have a SD memory card and a sandisk SD card reader hooked to my USB slot.. Ithe device is /dev/sdb i have no idea what type of filesystem it is using, and this is the only computer i have.. i tried the vfat type and it says the filesystem isnt correct.. this sd card goes to a pansat 3500sd satellite receiver.. can someone help me get this mounted? |
| 21:41.21 | niklas-komani | restarting? |
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| 21:41.34 | shogunx | wendyk you also need nfs-kernel-server running and nfs-server enabled in the kernel for any machine exporting directories. |
| 21:41.42 | stew | godmachine81: do any partition show up when you "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" ? |
| 21:41.44 | ribnitz | wishkah: unless xfs... is constantly over 50% cpu usage, no. |
| 21:41.59 | lewis | ribnitz: thanks for the RAID advice. |
| 21:42.32 | wishkah | ribnitz: no, all processes combined are taking around 1% |
| 21:42.49 | stew | wendyk: "dpkg-reconfigure portmap" and make sure its *not* only listening to loopback |
| 21:42.50 | ribnitz | lewis: What will you be going with? -also look at that Baarf site. it displells some myths about raid5. |
| 21:42.58 | wendyk | shogunx, i think it's enabled :-) |
| 21:43.01 | godmachine81 | stew: hang on |
| 21:43.06 | wendyk | yetistomps@druid:/$ mount debian/ |
| 21:43.06 | wendyk | mount: debian:/home/wendy/stuff failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
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| 21:43.14 | wishkah | ribnitz: firefox is the only big thing that's running |
| 21:43.25 | wendyk | Stew, okies... |
| 21:43.27 | ribnitz | wishkah: at 99%? |
| 21:43.35 | niklas-komani | so what did you mean with the server relay? I don't understand you know I'm a developer but I'm not yet that deep into Linux so I don't understand the details |
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| 21:43.47 | wishkah | ribnitz: nono, more like 0.3% |
| 21:43.48 | niklas-komani | I know what an mta is roughly though |
| 21:44.02 | sepski | niklas-komani, a open relay used for spamming is just a misconfiguration. stop exim with /etc/init.d/exim4 stop |
| 21:44.07 | godmachine81 | yes stew it does |
| 21:44.10 | godmachine81 | fat16 |
| 21:44.22 | sepski | review the configurration, fix the issue, and restart it |
| 21:44.23 | ribnitz | niklas-komani: Open relay mean that people send mail through your server. Usualyl mail servers only accept mail from theitr domain or to their domain. |
| 21:44.33 | meny | i followed the installer and after restarting at the end first there is a problem with the xfree86 he doesnt load it after he tells me he is closing it im trying to login but i can write the user name but not the password its the same for the root |
| 21:44.34 | stew | niklas-komani: if you are an open relay, it means that you would allow anyone to use your mta to send email. You will soon end up on a lot of blacklists and nobody will accept mail from your server becuase it will no longer be trusted |
| 21:44.40 | ribnitz | wishkah: Then I dont really see your problem. |
| 21:44.47 | sepski | niklas-komani, your maillog should tell you more details of where spam is comfing from |
| 21:45.14 | ribnitz | wishkah: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 21:45.21 | niklas-komani | -bash: /etc/init.d/exim4: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 21:45.21 | niklas-komani | so it was what I said a type of anonymous smtp |
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| 21:45.24 | godmachine81 | stew: i get the wrong fs type, bad superblock, missing code page or other error, etc |
| 21:45.26 | ribnitz | wishkah: and rejectlog |
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| 21:45.34 | lewis | ribnitz: I like the idea of using a 5 disk RAID 5 with one standby. That means that I use 66.6% of the hard disk space, and that if a drive fails, by the time I reach the machine, the array will have been rebuilded. Just need to look at whether the controller card supports hot standby, because I presume it all needs to be done at the hardware level. |
| 21:45.45 | niklas-komani | sorry copied wrong from the terminal |
| 21:45.52 | sepski | niklas-komani, pasting that in a strange language wont help at all |
| 21:45.56 | niklas-komani | (using putty now) |
| 21:46.09 | evilt0ne | hi all |
| 21:46.10 | niklas-komani | hehe it says that the comand isn't found |
| 21:46.15 | wendyk | shogunx, odd. I did modify /etc/exports as u said but I still cannot mount /home/wendy/stuff to his machine because my laptops's server does not give him permission? |
| 21:46.29 | ribnitz | lewis: You want a controller (and components) that support hot-swap. Else you need to shut down the server. |
| 21:46.32 | niklas-komani | since I rm exim4 and killall exim4 and apt-get remove exim4 |
| 21:46.41 | sepski | niklas-komani, so you broke your server. |
| 21:46.51 | sepski | niklas-komani, without actualy stopping the MTA |
| 21:46.53 | niklas-komani | hehe |
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| 21:47.01 | evilt0ne | i just installed debian etch. can someone tell me if it is possible to run xgl on this machine? |
| 21:47.07 | ribnitz | lewis: A degraded RAID5 can loose up to 80% of its performance. |
| 21:47.14 | sepski | apt-get install --reinstall all exim related packages then stop exim |
| 21:47.34 | niklas-komani | ok but ps ax doesn't show any exim processes |
| 21:47.52 | quitte | evilt0ne: yes. just read the artcle in the Linux Magazin you already began reading |
| 21:47.55 | lewis | ribnitz: I saw that - but I'll be interested to know how long it takes to rebuild an array |
| 21:48.10 | sepski | niklas-komani, leaving the system in a broken state is anyway unwise |
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| 21:48.21 | shogunx | wendyk hmm. did you exportfs -a as root after changing /etc/exports? |
| 21:48.21 | niklas-komani | is --reinstall a command for apt-get or just what I need to do I would do apt-get install exim4 |
| 21:48.29 | ribnitz | lewis: That depends on the capacity. Atm I am thinking about 15-20 mins. |
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| 21:48.51 | ribnitz | lewis: During that time your cpu will be maxed out. |
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| 21:49.06 | evilt0ne | O_o i got it from another channel quitte |
| 21:49.23 | ribnitz | lewis: just remember, raid5 is nothing more than XOR. |
| 21:49.39 | shogunx | lewis it took about a hour to rebuild a raid1 of 21gigs both on a mylex dac960 and linux/md raid. |
| 21:49.39 | seba_newbie | bye wonderful people. C U later. |
| 21:49.41 | lewis | ribnitz: if I am using it for backup purposes, and mostly read/write for about an hour per day |
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| 21:50.03 | evilt0ne | quitte: but they dont know much about how to install it on a debian system |
| 21:50.10 | ribnitz | shogunx: that was a recent cpu? |
| 21:50.10 | niklas-komani | apt-get install exim4 doesn't bring exim4 back to init.d |
| 21:50.29 | meny | did anyone had that problem? |
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| 21:50.32 | Kournikofa | hello, am i able to put a quota in a directory of 20MB without paritioning the disk... |
| 21:50.33 | quitte | evilt0ne: there are no packages for it,yet anyways. |
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| 21:50.38 | ribnitz | lewis: then I am probably wrong, raid5 is more complex than raid1 |
| 21:50.38 | shogunx | ribnitz athlon 1100 w a gig of memory. |
| 21:51.05 | wendyk | shogunx, okies..Progress! I am able to mount my home dir to my husband's machine.. but not his /data drive.. :-) |
| 21:51.13 | quitte | evilt0ne: so basically - just build it from source like you would anywhere else |
| 21:51.31 | ribnitz | lewis: so, Lets say 3 hrs for a rebuild.. |
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| 21:51.42 | shogunx | wendyk ok, replicate the steps to mount his drive to your machine. |
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| 21:51.46 | evilt0ne | quitte: thx i'll google for it! |
| 21:52.05 | shogunx | wendyk probably a trailing slash on his /etc/exports too. |
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| 21:52.24 | godmachine81 | stew can you help? |
| 21:52.30 | lewis | ribnitz: server would be PE2850 - hardware RAID says: 1. Integrated PERC 4e/Di with 256MB of battery-backed cache. 2. Expandable RAID controller, Version 4, Dual-Channel (PERC 4/DC) with 128MB battery-backed cache - hmmm |
| 21:52.33 | quitte | evilt0ne: maybe you want to just go and buy that magazine tomorrow? |
| 21:52.59 | stew | godmachine81: exactly what command are you trying? |
| 21:53.07 | ribnitz | lewis: I have two "raid5 towers" in the office. |
| 21:53.14 | shogunx | lewis that large cache makes a big difference on performance. |
| 21:53.40 | petemc | lewis: perc is no good for heavy i/o, ime |
| 21:53.54 | lewis | what is the differnece between PERC 4e/Di and PERC 4/DC? |
| 21:54.05 | meny | anyone help please |
| 21:54.22 | kspath | meny: Just ask the question. |
| 21:54.40 | niklas-komani | sepski: removing and re installing exim4 doesn't bring it back to init.d |
| 21:54.56 | meny | i can type the user name but not the pass |
| 21:55.02 | petemc | niklas-komani: did you remove the init script yourself? |
| 21:55.09 | kspath | meny: ? relative to what? |
| 21:55.10 | niklas-komani | yeah |
| 21:55.11 | stew | niklas-komani: you want exim4-config ; but if its missing you need confmiss, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:55.19 | meny | at the login |
| 21:55.26 | niklas-komani | ?? what do I have to type |
| 21:55.37 | stew | !tell niklas-komani about confmiss |
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| 21:55.43 | godmachine81 | stew: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/sd |
| 21:55.45 | niklas-komani | i did apt-get install exim4 exim4-config exim4-base |
| 21:55.48 | shogunx | meny login will not echo a password to the terminal. |
| 21:55.53 | kspath | niklas-komani: Did you try installing postfix and then changing to exim by installing exim. |
| 21:56.05 | stew | godmachine81: you said a partition showed up in fdisk -ls, so that should probably be /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:56.19 | kspath | meny: You do not know the password? |
| 21:56.29 | meny | i know the pass |
| 21:56.51 | stew | meny: why can't you type it then? |
| 21:56.58 | meny | no idea |
| 21:57.04 | kspath | meny: authentication systems will either show NOTHING or show 1-2 asteriks per character typed |
| 21:57.12 | stew | meny: what happens when you try to type it? |
| 21:57.22 | meny | i see blank |
| 21:57.38 | kspath | meny: Did you ever type ENTER/RETURN ? |
| 21:57.38 | GoCooL | any expertise with compiling newer kernels on Debian Sarge? anybody? |
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| 21:57.54 | meny | im not sure |
| 21:57.58 | stew | GoCooL: if you have an actual question, just ask it |
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| 21:58.04 | meny | let me try and ill get back here |
| 21:58.22 | lewis | petemc: this old PERC dell documentation mentions hot spares (http://lurch.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Docs/Dell/Perc4scdc/UG/bios.htm#641532) - so the newer ones must support it. |
| 21:58.49 | stew | i don't know if i hit enter? sheesh |
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| 21:59.19 | shogunx | !bongswat meny |
| 21:59.29 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 21:59.29 | dpkg | hmm... bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 21:59.54 | davis | hmm. |
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| 21:59.57 | GoCooL | stew: compiled kernel 2.6.11.7, didn;t work, got a kernel panic, i want to recompile, would i just repeat the same steps? or is there anything i need to be carefull abt? |
| 22:00.08 | stew | GoCooL: unable to mount root? |
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| 22:00.24 | stew | GoCooL: why are you compiling instead of using a debian kernel? and why such an old kernel? |
| 22:00.26 | davis | i can't do alsamixer, but I can lsmod andd see snd_intel8x0 listed. |
| 22:00.41 | stew | davis: do you have i810_audio loaded? |
| 22:00.43 | davis | in fact, i see lots of snd_* drivers. |
| 22:00.55 | davis | yes, lsmod shows them loaded. |
| 22:01.03 | stew | davis: you need to not have that loaded, its the oss version |
| 22:01.08 | wendyk | shogunx, Okies.. it doesnt work, BUT i mimicked a sample drive config with smbfs mount and I am able to mount my husband's drive with samba. *?* |
| 22:01.17 | davis | hmm. |
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| 22:01.28 | justStormY | mhhh help guys got a strange problem - when i'll try to ping t-online.de der appears "unknown host" when i try nslookup t-online.de there appaers the right result - but no internet works or apt - what to do? |
| 22:01.29 | wendyk | shogunx, i must be doing something wrong with nfs. |
| 22:01.35 | GoCooL | stew: it came with 2.4.x, i want to compile a newer kernel, and what do u mean by "debian kernel"? |
| 22:01.44 | wendyk | shogunx, but i am getting closer :-) |
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| 22:01.48 | stew | GoCooL: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 22:01.52 | shogunx | wendyk ? you changed the trailing slash and exportfs -a , then tried to mount again from the client? |
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| 22:02.04 | stew | GoCooL: you can just apt-get a kernel instead of trying to compile one yourself |
| 22:02.06 | wendyk | shogunx, yes.. as you told me to. |
| 22:02.07 | voltagex | hmm there's 2 debian channels now |
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| 22:02.14 | lewis | petemc: why would a PERC 4e/DC (with 128Mb) be double the price of a PERC 4e/Di (with 256Mb)? |
| 22:02.20 | wendyk | shogunx, all from my husband's machine. |
| 22:02.20 | shogunx | wendyk odd. |
| 22:02.30 | davis | under alsa sound arch in my kernel config, i have OSS mixer api, OSS pcm and OSS Sequencer api enabled. I should turn those off? |
| 22:02.38 | stew | wendyk: do you have any uncommented lines in /etc/default/portmap on either side? |
| 22:02.45 | voltagex | anyways, talking of kernels, when was 2.6.11.16 released? |
| 22:02.49 | stew | davis: no |
| 22:02.56 | justStormY | can nobody help? |
| 22:03.06 | wendyk | Stew, let me see... |
| 22:03.14 | efaistos | is there big trouble in unstable ? |
| 22:03.15 | stew | wendyk: you shouldn't have any |
| 22:03.18 | GoCooL | stew: what's the command to apt-get a newer kernel? |
| 22:03.27 | stew | !tell GoCooL about sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 22:03.50 | wendyk | stew, no..no uncommented lines. |
| 22:03.55 | davis | stew: what should I turn off then? under drivers->sound-> i only have alsa enabled. I dont have open sound system enabled. |
| 22:04.20 | ming | after i have installed a programs, how to i know where to launch it from? |
| 22:04.20 | stew | davis: you must if you have the i810_audio module loaded |
| 22:04.21 | nikko | when I apt-get update / upgrade.... then I get that "some packages have been kept back".... why are these packages kept back? someone plz |
| 22:04.27 | shogunx | wendyk can i see the /etc/fstab on client and /etc/export line on the server again? |
| 22:04.27 | stew | davis: you just need to make sure that module isn't being loaded |
| 22:04.41 | frank_farmer | nikko: I think you just have to mark them "To be upgraded". |
| 22:04.43 | wendyk | shogunx, sure. :-) |
| 22:04.47 | davis | hmm. i am confused. |
| 22:05.28 | GoCooL | stew: thanks a lot, i'll try it |
| 22:05.34 | davis | i have snd_intel8x0, snd_ac97)codec, snd_ac97_bus, snd_pcm, snd_timer, snd, soundcore, snd_page_alloc loaded. |
| 22:05.47 | stew | davis: what about i810_audio, before you said that was loaded |
| 22:05.58 | htrp | after you apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH, what should i do, just reboot and boot off it?/ |
| 22:06.04 | stew | davis: have you run alsaconf? it would make sure that the oss modules aren't loaded |
| 22:06.04 | htrp | im trying to upgrade my kernel |
| 22:06.15 | wendyk | shogunx, fstab on my notepad: troll:/data /trolldata nfs noauto,users,rw 0 0 //druid/backup /druiddata smbfs noauto,users,rw 0 0 <--troll computer with data drive mounts FINE with nfs. :-) |
| 22:06.21 | davis | i was typing from memory instead of actually reading lsmod output. |
| 22:06.31 | davis | stew: i have runalsaconf |
| 22:06.35 | wendyk | shogunx, /etc/exports on my husbands' computer: |
| 22:06.43 | voltagex | htrp: it should be displayed in grub after it's installed |
| 22:06.51 | voltagex | htrp: then you can select it |
| 22:06.52 | htrp | voltagex: i know |
| 22:06.53 | davis | it says i have two sound cards installed. intel8x0 and legacy. |
| 22:06.58 | htrp | voltagex: so should i boot off it |
| 22:06.59 | htrp | ? |
| 22:07.05 | stew | davis: what happens when you run alsamixer? |
| 22:07.06 | voltagex | htrp: then yes, reboot and see if it works. |
| 22:07.07 | niklas-komani | I need still help dpkg --force-confmiss nor apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> helped the exim4 startup file I deleted manually still is not back in /etc/init.d I assume that's because it is not considered a normal config file |
| 22:07.10 | wendyk | shogunx, /data *(rw,async,all_squash) /trolldata/ *(rw,async,all_squash) |
| 22:07.12 | htrp | voltagex: i see |
| 22:07.24 | stew | niklas-komani: like i said, its in exim4-config, not exim4 |
| 22:07.38 | davis | stew: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device |
| 22:07.56 | stew | davis: does "alsamixer -c1" work? |
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| 22:08.02 | stew | hrm or would that be -c2? |
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| 22:08.23 | davis | no, wrong -c argument |
| 22:08.27 | Ex-Cyber | how can I get the GLX includes found in xlibmesa-gl-dev without trashing libgl1-mesa-dri? if I try to install xlibmesa-gl-dev, apt wants to install xlibmesa-gl which conflicts with libgl1-mesa-dri, but the latter contains the DRI driver for my card... |
| 22:08.54 | sgeigerbot | Which OSX partition/filesystem types can Linux access in read/write mode? |
| 22:09.00 | davis | for somereason, deb installer did not create a /dev/sound directory. |
| 22:09.05 | htrp | anyone using xgl on debian? |
| 22:09.15 | davis | i did a mknod for /dev/sound/dsp0 and mixer0 |
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| 22:09.17 | stew | davis: you mean /dev/snd? |
| 22:09.18 | htrp | !xgl |
| 22:09.18 | dpkg | it has been said that xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. It'll be in Debian after xorg 7.0 is in. |
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| 22:09.26 | niklas-komani | ok I will try thsi again sorry for the inconvinience |
| 22:09.28 | davis | nope /dev/sound |
| 22:09.41 | stew | davis: it would be looking in /dev/snd |
| 22:09.47 | stew | davis: are you running udev? |
| 22:10.01 | davis | udev, dont know |
| 22:10.14 | stew | davis: check if you ahve a udev package installed |
| 22:10.20 | shogunx | wendyk that should work. what happens when you mount /trolldata as root? |
| 22:10.23 | stew | davis: and which version it is if you do |
| 22:10.33 | davis | pruge ok not-installed |
| 22:10.34 | wendyk | shogunx, it mounts it fine. :-) |
| 22:10.47 | davis | dpkg -s udev right? |
| 22:10.48 | dpkg | You Fool! udev right is installed! |
| 22:10.48 | shogunx | wendyk, perfect then. |
| 22:11.07 | ming | when i boot into kde, i get this message "Sound server information message: Error while initalizing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) The sound server will continue, using the null output device". I can still use KDE but with no sound, can someone help me? |
| 22:11.08 | Kournikofa | hmm help, how can i find (with find command) the oldest file in my directory /stuff ? |
| 22:11.09 | wendyk | shogunx, so..why wouldn't mount druiddata as nfs? |
| 22:11.11 | niklas-komani | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install exim4-config |
| 22:11.11 | niklas-komani | even apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install exim4-config doesn't help |
| 22:11.33 | godmachine81 | stew: if i cant unmount /media/sd because it says the device is busy or something how can i kill it..? |
| 22:11.53 | stew | niklas-komani: oh, try exim4-base |
| 22:11.59 | shogunx | wendyk some variable not correct. you can change the mountpoint to /druiddata if you like. |
| 22:12.01 | niklas-komani | sorry for double post this irc client is crap^^ |
| 22:12.12 | stew | godmachine81: close the files that are open on it, you can use lsof or fuser to find the open files |
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| 22:12.59 | godmachine81 | stew: i have no files open on it |
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| 22:13.35 | davis | stew: what is weird, is that when I do dmesg i dont see any audio drivers listed. is that because they are modules? |
| 22:13.37 | stew | godmachine81: yes you do |
| 22:13.52 | ILF | why are some apps sometimes really small to their normal size in sid? in firefox, everything's smaller than usual, even the menu, slso in castpodder and some others.. |
| 22:13.53 | niklas-komani | ok thx I am rally eally sorry that I'm a bit unfriendly but you have to know it's our first server and I'm the only admin with some Linux knwoledge at the moment (we are 17 years old students and mainly need the server fo our instant messenger server I'm writing in c++ at the moment we need to use it for other things too though because a server is expensive) |
| 22:14.16 | stew | davis: does /dev/snd/controlC0 exist? |
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| 22:14.24 | davis | nope. |
| 22:14.34 | pipeline | niklas-komani: Servers are not expensive at all. |
| 22:14.37 | davis | /dev/snd and /dev/sound do not exist. |
| 22:14.41 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:14.44 | davis | i had to add /dev/sound myself. |
| 22:14.52 | davis | mkdir, mknod, etc. |
| 22:15.00 | pipeline | niklas-komani: Also, C++, being seventeen, and writing an IM server can't possibly combine in any decent way. For the love of god, use a reasonable language ;_; |
| 22:15.16 | wendyk | shogunx, i thank u for all your help. Kudos to u. |
| 22:15.20 | stew | davis: what is /dev/sound? so you created /dev/sound but it doesn't exist? |
| 22:15.21 | niklas-komani | if you are 17 they are without an income I mean I don't want to spent all my money on it |
| 22:15.24 | wendyk | stew, thank u so much for your help. |
| 22:15.28 | davis | it did not exist. |
| 22:15.29 | shogunx | wendyk n/p |
| 22:15.34 | niklas-komani | so it's somewhat a community project |
| 22:15.35 | stew | wendyk: i feel like i didn't :) |
| 22:15.53 | godmachine81 | stew: alright now i got it unmounted and now i cant find the device |
| 22:15.53 | godmachine81 | ughhh |
| 22:15.54 | ming | how do you make /dev/sound |
| 22:15.59 | wendyk | Stew, i did. :-) Any bit helps to a newbie like me. |
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| 22:16.04 | davis | i created it after the install completed. err, after install and then after recompiling kernel to get other drivers enabled. |
| 22:16.24 | stew | davis: but now it doesn't exist? |
| 22:16.34 | niklas-komani | The IM Client is written in PureBasic a really cool though not very known language but the server is plain c++ (I'm the guy who writes it while the client is at the moment taklen over from a friend) |
| 22:16.44 | joelbryan | hello, anyone know how to invoke filters in command-line parameters with synaptics? |
| 22:16.50 | davis | /dev/snd/dsp0 and /dev/snd/mixer0 exist now. |
| 22:17.01 | davis | i deleted /dev/sound directory. |
| 22:17.02 | niklas-komani | we have stable versions but we are changing the protocol and building the new server at thje moment |
| 22:17.14 | stew | davis: you created those? |
| 22:17.24 | tarzeau | la la la |
| 22:17.29 | stew | davis: dsp0 and mixer0 are oss names, not alsa |
| 22:17.30 | davis | yes. i created /dev/sound and /dev/snd |
| 22:17.35 | davis | ok. |
| 22:17.44 | nathe | scripting/programing question (it's related to debian). My object is to monitor the state of all the nic cards on the system, and signal when one goes up or down. |
| 22:17.47 | stew | i can't follow this at all |
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| 22:18.04 | niklas-komani | what? |
| 22:18.20 | davis | stew: i'll read the alsa-project web page. thanks |
| 22:18.21 | niklas-komani | exim: SIGINT received - message abandoned |
| 22:18.32 | davis | stew: on a related topic to reinstalling this laptop. |
| 22:18.32 | niklas-komani | after |
| 22:18.43 | davis | this is the second time I have reinstalled btw. |
| 22:18.56 | niklas-komani | what does that mean |
| 22:18.57 | nathe | I'm looking for the best way to do that, but I don't know what to montitor exactly |
| 22:18.59 | davis | not only did the sound work fine the first time, but the video worked fine as well. |
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| 22:19.17 | nathe | davis: what kind of sound problem are you having? |
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| 22:19.19 | davis | now in x.org i can only use 640x480. |
| 22:19.39 | GoCooL | stew: there is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 as well as kernel-image-2.6-386? does it matter which one i install? |
| 22:19.40 | nathe | heh |
| 22:19.43 | davis | nathe: i can't run alsamixer but I have my sound drivers loaded as modules. |
| 22:19.47 | nathe | hmm |
| 22:19.55 | nathe | what error does alsamixer give you? |
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| 22:20.19 | davis | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 22:20.22 | stew | GoCooL: what cpu do you have? |
| 22:20.40 | nathe | I had a similar problem |
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| 22:20.51 | nathe | I did have to create a symlink, just can't rember what it was |
| 22:20.56 | nathe | brb grabbing my laptop |
| 22:21.05 | GoCooL | stew: intel pentium M 2.0 ghx |
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| 22:21.40 | stew | GoCooL: you want -686 then, and kernel-image-2.6-686 should just really be a pointer to kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 which is what you really want |
| 22:22.07 | GoCooL | stew: oh ok |
| 22:22.10 | meny | thank you one problem solved |
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| 22:22.35 | Kournikofa | hello, how can i sort my find output (with find) by date ? |
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| 22:22.45 | tarzeau | omg i just typed /whois in shell for a domain |
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| 22:22.53 | tarzeau | i guess i should go sleeping |
| 22:22.58 | davis | nathe: the great google says the fix for this problem is to run ./snddevices. |
| 22:23.10 | ming | how can i find out if my sound card is detected/working?" |
| 22:23.11 | sdogi | i'm looking for konqueror like program, filebrowsers and ftp client. but i don't want to use kde libraries, something for fluxbox, any suggestions? |
| 22:23.16 | tarzeau | Kournikofa: convert the dates to seconds (date -u +%s) and then sort by number |
| 22:23.22 | tarzeau | Kournikofa: convert back to real dates |
| 22:23.25 | davis | i have alsa-utils aand alsa-tools installed, but I dont see this script called snddevices. |
| 22:23.31 | tarzeau | ming: start aumix |
| 22:23.33 | nathe | davis: all hail the great and omnipotent google :) did it work? :P |
| 22:23.36 | nathe | heh |
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| 22:23.59 | davis | nope. i am looking for package contents of alsa-utils. |
| 22:24.04 | tarzeau | damn are kellogs dry without milk |
| 22:24.06 | davis | dpkg -L alsa-utils right? |
| 22:24.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching alsa-utils right |
| 22:24.23 | nathe | hehe |
| 22:24.31 | nathe | dpkg -L alsa-utils |
| 22:24.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching alsa-utils |
| 22:24.38 | ming | can i do that as super user in console? |
| 22:25.16 | VITIHO | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.23 | davis | im running unstable. |
| 22:25.53 | kspath | VITIHO: security contexts from what security/method package? |
| 22:26.06 | VITIHO | selinux |
| 22:26.24 | Kournikofa | tarzeau: do you have some example? |
| 22:26.28 | meny | i got a driver package on the other(xp) partition how can i install it? |
| 22:26.29 | niklas-komani | "/etc/init.d/exim4 stop" does this turn off exim4 until it is started by hand I think yes but this spammer thing made me worry to much to believe in what I think^^ |
| 22:26.37 | stew | meny: what package? |
| 22:26.49 | meny | fglrx |
| 22:26.57 | stew | niklas-komani: that stops exim until you restart it or reboot |
| 22:27.03 | meny | fglrx-driver_8.24.8-1_i386.deb |
| 22:27.23 | tarzeau | Kournikofa: yes date -u +%s |
| 22:27.39 | nathe | davis: what IS /dev/snd ? |
| 22:27.39 | kspath | VITIHO: So you are asking if there is a package/utility/command that dumps/records all security contexts for all files on all file systems on/attached to one machine? Just local file systems? |
| 22:27.43 | niklas-komani | so it will stil be started at reboot what ca I do to prevent this since removing the exim4 file from init.d doesn't seem to be the riht solution |
| 22:27.47 | nathe | i'm seeing it as a directory |
| 22:27.58 | kspath | VITIHO: regarding SELINUX in particular. |
| 22:28.02 | VITIHO | kspath, yep, just local file systems |
| 22:28.08 | stew | nathe: its the directory where all of the alsa device files live |
| 22:28.17 | davis | what stew said |
| 22:28.44 | nathe | no, i'm saying is that what it shows as on your box |
| 22:28.51 | nathe | sorry, bad phrasing :P |
| 22:28.55 | davis | i think because the debian install cd didn't have a 2.6 kernel it did not recognize my snd card, so it didn't populate the /dev/snd dir. |
| 22:29.22 | kspath | VITIHO: I was only attempting to clarify your question for anyone willing/able to answer. |
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| 22:30.45 | niklas-komani | it's 30 am and I have school tomorrow (at 7.55 in the morning) so I will go to bed now thanks a lot stew for your very good help, and sorry if I was unfriendly |
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| 22:31.03 | stew | niklas-komani: you're welcome |
| 22:31.05 | kspath | VITIHO: Do you do backups? Does your present backup system not support/understand selinux so contexts are not preserved? |
| 22:31.38 | meny | im new to linux but i think that i can use apt install /dev/(ive no idea)/fglrx-driver_8.24.8-1_i386.deb would that work? |
| 22:31.51 | kspath | VITIHO: Where are your contexts stored now? |
| 22:31.52 | tarzeau | meny: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ |
| 22:31.59 | nathe | meny man apt-get |
| 22:31.59 | VITIHO | kspath, I do backups right now with rsync, and rsync doesn't transfer selinux security contexts |
| 22:32.15 | nathe | meny you probably want to run alsaconf |
| 22:32.25 | stew | nathe: ??? |
| 22:32.29 | voltagex | how can I work out what device my mouse is? (usb wireless, shown in lsusb) |
| 22:32.38 | tarzeau | voltagex: look at the cable? |
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| 22:32.49 | nathe | stew: responding to meny, not davis |
| 22:32.54 | tarzeau | sussudio: can you not do this with mouse connectors? www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ |
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| 22:33.02 | chealer | voltagex: # mdetect |
| 22:33.07 | VITIHO | I would be able to do restorecon to restore default contexts, but I'ld loose all custom ones... so I'm looking for something to let me save all security contexts on all filesystems... |
| 22:33.10 | nathe | bleh |
| 22:33.11 | meny | got a bit confuse but ill try thanks |
| 22:33.22 | nathe | :) |
| 22:33.31 | stew | nathe: apt-get manpage will not tell him how to install a local .deb, and alsaconf isn't going to help him install videocard drivers |
| 22:33.36 | kspath | VITIHO: all local filesystems attached to the system you want to backup. |
| 22:33.42 | jason | Anybody had problems with startx causing a black screen [of death]? Works fine on one lcd monitor, fails on another... |
| 22:33.44 | nathe | anyone good with network weirdness? trying to figure out how to monitor the status of the network cards programatically |
| 22:33.58 | VITIHO | kspath, yes |
| 22:34.05 | meny | so what will? |
| 22:34.07 | nathe | stew: I thought he was having issues with his sound |
| 22:34.08 | nathe | heh |
| 22:34.09 | ming | i still don't know how to see if my sound card is detected, can someone tell me where to type in start aumix? |
| 22:34.14 | stew | nathe: mii-tool |
| 22:34.15 | nathe | just ignore me then :P |
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| 22:34.26 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.27 | stew | ming: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 22:34.36 | Kournikofa | i got the oldest file find . -type f | xargs stat -c '%y %n' | sort | head -n1 try this! :P |
| 22:34.38 | nathe | stew: thanks, looking at it now |
| 22:34.52 | nathe | kspath: thanks, good to know when I'm not going to be heard ;) |
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| 22:35.26 | kspath | VITIHO: Did you search debian mailing list archive for SELINUX and backups or context and backups? |
| 22:35.30 | ming | i get bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
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| 22:35.39 | stew | !tell ming about alsa one-liner |
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| 22:35.47 | kspath | VITIHO: I could swear I read some messages in one of the lists a while back. |
| 22:35.53 | efaistos | hi |
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| 22:35.53 | stew | ming: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 22:36.12 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 22:36.15 | nathe | stew: i'm looking to actually monitor it from within my program, but this might help, thanks :) |
| 22:36.16 | ming | 2.4.27-2-389 |
| 22:36.19 | kspath | VITIHO: Though I think I remember seeing talk of it in this channel but my pornographic memory is imperfect. |
| 22:36.21 | ming | is that my kernel? |
| 22:36.32 | VITIHO | kspath, I could do star (advanced tar, but it backs up files as well, I need contexts only) |
| 22:36.33 | efaistos | I cant start X ... I'm under unstable and I have an ati 9600xt card ... It froze and I must reboot manually ... :( |
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| 22:36.39 | ribnitz | How do I need to patch the kernel to get SMART support for kernels > 2.6.8? |
| 22:36.51 | efaistos | dont Know what to do to resolve my problem ... ;( |
| 22:36.55 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you need to patch the kernel for that? |
| 22:36.55 | voltagex | thanks, mouse working nicely |
| 22:37.01 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 22:37.02 | stew | !tell ming about 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 22:37.02 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 22:37.02 | Stevie | ribnitz: errr, that's not in mainline? |
| 22:37.09 | tarzeau | Stevie: it is of course |
| 22:37.15 | kspath | VITIHO: SELINUX has it's abilities without a way to list the contexts? |
| 22:37.19 | ribnitz | tarzeau: At least to get SMART on SATA devices. |
| 22:37.28 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yes, it's in. no patching needed |
| 22:37.32 | stew | nathe: "apt-get source net-tools" :) |
| 22:37.35 | tarzeau | ribnitz: your own kernel? |
| 22:37.40 | efaistos | does someone have a clue about my X ^problem ? |
| 22:37.48 | tarzeau | efaistos: did you read the sid faq? |
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| 22:37.56 | Ronin | efaistos: /topic and sid faq |
| 22:37.56 | ribnitz | tarzeau: 2.6.16-1-686-smp, stock debian |
| 22:37.59 | VITIHO | kspath, you can list contexts with ls |
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| 22:38.04 | tarzeau | it was written like a fairy tale for fun. don't read it! |
| 22:38.13 | nathe | stew: and what specifically am I looking for. I'm actually reading the man for mii-tool, and it does what I need, but I'd rather do it from within my program if I can |
| 22:38.14 | tarzeau | Ronin: no no. nobody should read them |
| 22:38.29 | stew | nathe: apt-get source net-tools will get you the sourcecode of mii-tool |
| 22:38.34 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Sid is the sloth of ICE AGE.. |
| 22:38.34 | tarzeau | ribnitz: fun |
| 22:38.36 | nathe | oh |
| 22:38.37 | nathe | heh |
| 22:38.41 | efaistos | Ronin: i dont have X anymore to read sid faq it will be hard |
| 22:38.43 | efaistos | :'( |
| 22:38.44 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i'd run my own kernel... |
| 22:38.45 | nathe | yeah sorry, I'll take a peek at it |
| 22:38.51 | ribnitz | tarzeau: why? |
| 22:38.57 | tarzeau | ribnitz: because debian kernels suck? |
| 22:39.01 | stew | efaistos: you don't need x to read the faq |
| 22:39.01 | tarzeau | ribnitz: don't work on my hardware |
| 22:39.10 | tarzeau | ribnitz: well debian gnu/kfreebsd is the exception |
| 22:39.15 | voltagex | if I'm setting up another debian install, can I copy /var/lib/apt/cache to save myself some downloading? |
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| 22:39.23 | tarzeau | efaistos: apt-get install links2 |
| 22:39.28 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Why reinvent wheels when the wheels you gwet cover 98% of your needs? |
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| 22:39.32 | tarzeau | efaistos: you can read the sid faq perfectly without X |
| 22:39.36 | efaistos | stew: i know i can use lynx ;) but if someone has already the answer it will be great :) |
| 22:39.38 | stew | voltagex: /var/cache/apt/archives? yes. or look at apt-move or apt-zip |
| 22:39.40 | kspath | VITIHO: So you can not use fstab and ls to list them all? |
| 22:39.40 | tarzeau | ribnitz: huh? |
| 22:39.55 | tarzeau | ribnitz: please can you talk klartext with me, i don't understand your rätsel talk |
| 22:39.55 | stew | !debwiki efaistos Xorg69To7 |
| 22:39.56 | dpkg | efaistos: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 22:40.17 | tarzeau | efaistos: nobody has. read it |
| 22:40.31 | stew | efaistos: are you using non-free drivers? |
| 22:40.40 | voltagex | stew: thanks |
| 22:40.40 | efaistos | stew: no |
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| 22:41.06 | sergey | hi |
| 22:41.07 | ming | i need to find out why i dont have sound, can some one help me? I dont think my sound card is detected. |
| 22:41.17 | stew | ming: did you run alsaconf? |
| 22:41.17 | efaistos | stew: i can start it with vga driver but with ati it just crashed the computer |
| 22:41.17 | ming | but i dotn know how to find out if it is |
| 22:41.36 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Where I am working, number 1 is stability, and number 2 is security of the data (as in backups). Add a bunch of "computer-illiterates", and you have my working environment. Now, with the stock debian Kernel I get 98% of the result I want. plus reproducibility. |
| 22:41.36 | tarzeau | efaistos: vesa |
| 22:41.38 | VITIHO | kspath, possible but need to write big script... |
| 22:41.43 | stew | efaistos: post a log to a pastebin |
| 22:41.43 | ming | stew: i have run that before |
| 22:41.50 | meny | tarzeau: "and make sure the module gets loaded before X is started" how do i do that? |
| 22:41.51 | stew | ming: did it detect your soundcard? |
| 22:41.56 | ming | no |
| 22:42.04 | davis | i wonder if doritos and cokes are killing me. |
| 22:42.08 | efaistos | stew: how without X ? |
| 22:42.21 | kspath | VITIHO: big? why does it have to be big? You could develop it for the good of all others in your position. Are you sure a script does not exist already? |
| 22:42.22 | tarzeau | ribnitz: are you sure you need SMART for your environment? |
| 22:42.24 | stew | efaistos: use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 22:42.32 | tarzeau | meny: modprobe fglrx before you type startx |
| 22:42.34 | shogunx | davis you should definitely be running better chips than doritos. |
| 22:42.34 | ming | i first says, "no supported PnP or PCI card found " |
| 22:42.39 | tarzeau | meny: put that fglrx in /etc/modules |
| 22:42.47 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Smart asI understand it, is the disk telling you its dying. |
| 22:42.49 | stew | ming: what does "lspci -n | grep 0401" output? |
| 22:42.55 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no it's not |
| 22:42.59 | davis | its all i could snag out of lab at this hour. |
| 22:43.01 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you misunderstand completely |
| 22:43.15 | tarzeau | ribnitz: the disk says when it's like dead, even without smart |
| 22:43.24 | tarzeau | it makes funny noises and writes messages into dmesg |
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| 22:43.26 | efaistos | stew: can i send it to you by mail ? |
| 22:43.28 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Or the disk telling its ambient temperature, spin count.. |
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| 22:43.31 | tarzeau | you don't need SMART for this |
| 22:43.38 | shogunx | you just cant get decent MIPS froma dorito these days. |
| 22:43.49 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you can do temperature with hddtemp withotu SMART afaik |
| 22:43.56 | tarzeau | ribnitz: WTF do you need spin count for? |
| 22:44.02 | ming | stew: 0000:00:04.0 0401: 10b9:5451 (rev 02) |
| 22:44.02 | stew | efaistos: i won't be here when it arrives, what is wrong with a pastebin |
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| 22:44.16 | ribnitz | tarzeau: that presentation the boss wantd? ;) |
| 22:44.20 | efaistos | how do you copy/paste without X ? |
| 22:44.32 | tarzeau | ribnitz: a man? |
| 22:44.41 | plasmid | i made a booboo on my grub file and now my shiny debian system wont boot. What do I need to do to edit the grub file and comment what i did? |
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| 22:44.45 | GoCooL | stew: apt-get installed new kernel, updated grub etc, boot into the new kernel. kernel panic again |
| 22:44.45 | ribnitz | tarzeau: yep. |
| 22:44.48 | tarzeau | efaistos: man screen |
| 22:44.55 | davis | stew: nathe pals, you wont believe this. |
| 22:45.00 | plasmid | system boots fine and i am ablet to enter the command line. |
| 22:45.04 | tarzeau | ribnitz: he's got a bad sexlife, i know some good psychiatrist address, want it? |
| 22:45.12 | GoCooL | stew: the messae is - cannot open /dev/console no such file or dir |
| 22:45.16 | davis | out of desperation, i apt-get installed aumix. |
| 22:45.26 | ribnitz | tarzeau: No thanks. |
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| 22:45.43 | tarzeau | ribnitz: she's dr. med, really good |
| 22:45.43 | stew | ming: grep -i "10b9.*5451" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap <- this will tell you what modules support it, you want the one that starts with snd- |
| 22:45.46 | davis | i started it, it ran, allowed me to tweak the volume settings, then I started up splay of a mp3 and viola it plays. |
| 22:45.54 | tarzeau | ribnitz: your boss seriously has a problem |
| 22:46.02 | GoCooL | stew: ramdisk loads fine, root mounted fine, but some issue with dev/console |
| 22:46.06 | tarzeau | ribnitz: and why are you not in bed yet? |
| 22:46.07 | ribnitz | tarzeau: are you into doctors games nowadays? ;) |
| 22:46.17 | davis | alsamixer function snd_ctl_open still fails though. 8-( |
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| 22:46.19 | stew | GoCooL: /msg dpkg devconsole |
| 22:46.34 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I neded to copy something on an usb stick. My family wants their domain tomorrow. |
| 22:46.35 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yes i always was. but this one is a real doctor |
| 22:47.04 | davis | stew: nathe: no LOL's? |
| 22:47.21 | plasmid | in other words I need to enter the grub file; cant remmber the name of it and edit some lines.. is this possible? without erasing debian? |
| 22:47.58 | stew | plasmid: run update-grub ; you shouldn't have to touch the config, if you really do, you probably should only be touching the #kopt line |
| 22:48.33 | plasmid | stew: i cannot boot.. it halts because I modified the #kopt line. |
| 22:48.41 | ming | stew: this is what i get trident 0x000010b9 0x00005451 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000003 |
| 22:48.45 | peppet | plasmid: boot from a live cd, then chroot to root partition and follow stew suggestion |
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| 22:49.29 | stew | ming: what version of alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 do you have installed? |
| 22:49.42 | plasmid | peppet: can i do that via a CD that's a netinstall? |
| 22:50.05 | stew | plasmid: when you are at the grub menu, you can hit 'e' to edit the boot parameters temproarily |
| 22:50.09 | ming | stew: i dont know, how can i find out? |
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| 22:50.30 | stew | ming: "dpkg -l alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386" |
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| 22:50.58 | tarzeau | streuner: do you like deutsch schlager schnulze lieder? |
| 22:51.19 | davis | stew: nathe I fixed the problem. |
| 22:51.32 | ming | stew: No packages found matching alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386. |
| 22:51.40 | davis | stew: nathe stew gave the clue. alsa-utils suggests udev |
| 22:51.45 | streuner | tarzeau: some of them, but most of them don't |
| 22:51.49 | sergey | Can I hear ICQ messages, while listening music with xmms? |
| 22:51.49 | plasmid | stew: do i "e" on the boot file? |
| 22:51.57 | davis | apt-get install udev wand apt-get remove purge hotplug did the trick. |
| 22:52.02 | tarzeau | streuner: which? |
| 22:52.03 | davis | thanks folks |
| 22:52.16 | h3xis | sergey, you should be able to |
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| 22:52.33 | tarzeau | streuner: know the hamburgerin, "annett louisan"? |
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| 22:53.21 | streuner | tarzeau: i've heart of her, why? |
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| 22:53.31 | sergey | I ust installed the alsa drivers, but one program blocks the audio device, and other can't use it |
| 22:53.36 | tarzeau | streuner: i'm listening to her right now ;) she's got a few nice songs |
| 22:53.37 | sergey | just* |
| 22:53.40 | CraZyLeGs | I do have the cmd named but It's not in /etc/init.d/named should I just copy it there or what ? |
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| 22:54.02 | stew | ming: you didn't follow the directions then: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 22:54.03 | sergey | sorry my bad english |
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| 22:54.37 | stew | CraZyLeGs: no, you are probably looking for /etc/init.d/bind9 |
| 22:55.04 | stew | sergey: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 22:56.02 | CraZyLeGs | stew: Well I have a configuration script, and it says I can't: configuration error: The command /etc/init.d/named could not be found on your system |
| 22:56.03 | plasmid | stew: "e" for /boot/grub/menu.lst but I can't vi the file?! |
| 22:56.32 | peppet | plasmid: press 'e' at grub prompt |
| 22:56.46 | abrotman | CraZyLeGs: configuration script for hwat? |
| 22:56.51 | plasmid | peppet: i did.. and then it presented me with boot |
| 22:57.05 | plasmid | peppet: then i pressed e again for boot to locate mene.lst |
| 22:57.31 | CraZyLeGs | it's a bind9 module for webmin ( I know webmin is a no no but I'm just testing ) |
| 22:57.49 | abrotman | did you use the webmin package for debian? |
| 22:58.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: it still exists? |
| 22:58.12 | abrotman | in sarge i imagine |
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| 22:58.21 | abrotman | and if he's not using sarge .. that would explain a lot |
| 22:58.31 | CraZyLeGs | abrotman: no I installed by hand on etch |
| 22:58.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahhaa |
| 22:59.08 | voltagex | CraZyLeGs: webmin is a no-no :S ? |
| 22:59.11 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer CraZyLeGs |
| 22:59.12 | abrotman | CrazyEddy: then ask #webmin |
| 22:59.13 | dpkg | 'CraZyLeGs' is 14.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 22:59.16 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 22:59.17 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 22:59.32 | plasmid | dpkg, how to edit grub |
| 22:59.39 | voltagex | dpkg nickometer |
| 22:59.41 | dpkg | '' is 0.000% lame, voltagex |
| 22:59.45 | voltagex | oops |
| 22:59.45 | abrotman | hit 'e' at the prompt |
| 22:59.48 | voltagex | dpkg nickometer voltagex |
| 22:59.50 | dpkg | 'voltagex' is 0.000% lame, voltagex |
| 22:59.57 | voltagex | dpkg nickometer dpkg |
| 22:59.59 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, voltagex |
| 23:00.00 | ming | stew: im sorry, i must have lost you some where, do you mean i did not follow the directions when i installed debian or your instructions? |
| 23:00.01 | abrotman | voltagex: STOP |
| 23:00.03 | mbishop | dpkg nickometer mbishop |
| 23:00.04 | plasmid | abrotman: i did. But no more is said. I am stuck with boot |
| 23:00.04 | voltagex | ok |
| 23:00.05 | dpkg | 'mbishop' is 0.000% lame, mbishop |
| 23:00.09 | tarzeau | voltagex: it's about capital letters and numbers and special chars |
| 23:00.13 | mbishop | broken heh |
| 23:00.21 | abrotman | #grub also exists |
| 23:00.26 | CraZyLeGs | #webmin is deserted I just thought maybe someone knows |
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| 23:00.54 | jbbruno | #join /debian-br |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | you're not using a debian package |
| 23:00.55 | plasmid | abrotman, yes.. all sleeping. |
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| 23:01.11 | abrotman | plasmid: wait a bit .. they're pretty good in there when they notice someone is talking :) |
| 23:01.14 | CraZyLeGs | ok nvm I'll hack the confs by hand |
| 23:01.18 | CraZyLeGs | ;) |
| 23:01.24 | abrotman | CrazyEddy: good plan .. then nothing else will work |
| 23:01.24 | shogunx | dpkg nickometer l33td00d |
| 23:01.25 | dpkg | 'l33td00d' is 73.000% lame, shogunx |
| 23:01.32 | abrotman | !stupid bot tricks |
| 23:01.32 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 23:01.35 | ming | stew: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner gives me "bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 23:01.35 | ming | " |
| 23:01.49 | abrotman | ming: in your IRC client |
| 23:01.59 | mbishop | on debian sid, where might I find the default network interface? during the install I selected my second network card, and it was eth1, but with a new kernel I only have eth0 |
| 23:02.04 | ming | stew: oooooo |
| 23:02.04 | mbishop | and when I boot, it looks for eth1 |
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| 23:02.18 | abrotman | mbishop: did you load all the same modules? |
| 23:02.20 | htrp | how can i install UserAgent.pm? |
| 23:02.21 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | !find UserAgent.pm sarge |
| 23:02.37 | abrotman | !tell htrp about search |
| 23:02.45 | shogunx | htrp cpan is what you are looking for, i think. |
| 23:02.47 | stephans_ | how do you a "route print" in linux? |
| 23:02.53 | abrotman | route -n ? |
| 23:02.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: -r |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | !rosetta stone |
| 23:02.59 | stephans_ | so you can see the routing table |
| 23:03.00 | abrotman | hrm |
| 23:03.00 | mbishop | abrotman, hmm? the network works just fine, it's just that the install was using eth1, so it tries to still use eth1, where the network card is really eth0 now |
| 23:03.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'UserAgent.pm' (5 of 6): (/usr/share/perl5/Lire/WWW/UserAgent.pm) in admin/lire ;; (/usr/share/perl5/LWP/UserAgent.pm) in perl/libwww-perl ;; (/usr/lib/perl5/Apache/AxKit/StyleChooser/UserAgent.pm) in web/axkit ;; (/usr/share/sitescooper/lib/Sitescooper/UserAgent.pm) in web/sitescooper ;; (/usr/share/doc/squidguard/examples/RobotUserAgent.pm) in web/squidguard. |
| 23:03.05 | abrotman | !rosettastone |
| 23:03.07 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 23:03.09 | abrotman | !rosetta |
| 23:03.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rosetta is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
| 23:03.27 | mbishop | abrotman, I think I found it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:03.31 | ming | stew: thanks a lot, i will go try this new stuff and bbl |
| 23:03.33 | abrotman | stephans_: that will show you a comparison of commands for other unices |
| 23:03.40 | abrotman | mbishop: but you had two network cards before |
| 23:04.09 | mbishop | abrotman, right, but that was on the install, I've since installed a kernel, and left out support for one of the cards (onboard) |
| 23:04.30 | shogunx | mbishop, /etc/netowrk/interfaces is indeed what you want |
| 23:04.33 | abrotman | mbishop: erm .. ok .. then yes .. that file |
| 23:04.43 | mbishop | thank you |
| 23:05.21 | plasmid | abrotman: so much for installing splashy. I am gonna erase everything again. :-) |
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| 23:06.21 | CraZyLeGs | abrotman: I don't have choices, I'm new to all this so it's a good way to learn imo |
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| 23:06.32 | abrotman | !tell CraZyLeGs about grounding |
| 23:06.44 | peppet | plasmid: you should have an old kernel entry in grub menu, don't you? |
| 23:06.49 | abrotman | !tell plasmid about splashy |
| 23:06.54 | mavric2001 | recommends the latest beta of gaim |
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| 23:07.15 | d4t2iLL4 | hi, is there a cgi app that allow local users to manage their account from the web, such as change passwd, view quota |
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| 23:08.01 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: ouch |
| 23:08.17 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: really why not give them an account with ssh? |
| 23:08.25 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: the web and browsers are just not made for this |
| 23:08.31 | d4t2iLL4 | because they wouldnt know what to do with ssh ? |
| 23:08.41 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: they would learn it |
| 23:08.42 | stephans_ | abrotman: thank you |
| 23:09.08 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: we have secretaries learning that, even remote x and latex |
| 23:09.17 | plasmid | abrotman: ya, too bad splashy doesn't tell u what to do if your system wont' boot OR how to modify the menu.lst while in grub. I pressed "e" but NO instructions whatsoever. Oh well. |
| 23:09.24 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: people are not stupid, try it |
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| 23:10.16 | d4t2iLL4 | its a big learning curve, and its time consuming. But then again they are stupid :) |
| 23:10.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:10.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | stephans_: that might help? |
| 23:10.31 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: you're mean |
| 23:10.37 | abrotman | d4t2iLL4: what kind of accounts are they? |
| 23:10.45 | d4t2iLL4 | normal user |
| 23:10.47 | d4t2iLL4 | 1000 + |
| 23:10.49 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: opening putty and logging in, typeing quota is not a learning curve big |
| 23:10.51 | abrotman | not if they're not using SSH :) |
| 23:10.57 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: not even for very stupid normal users |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | are they web? mail? ftp? what? |
| 23:11.21 | d4t2iLL4 | abrotman, web |
| 23:11.23 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: at least with ssh they learn something for life |
| 23:11.41 | abrotman | d4t2iLL4: so they just upload files,etc? |
| 23:11.42 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: if you make some proprietary cgi, they learn, and when they go, all they learnt was waste |
| 23:12.02 | tarzeau | 01:08 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from d4t2iLL4: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 23:12.07 | tarzeau | and that's someone calling others stupid |
| 23:12.14 | tarzeau | why am i even wasting my time with such morons |
| 23:12.34 | tarzeau | i hope a crab bites your ass |
| 23:12.37 | d4t2iLL4 | tarzeau, hehe xchat, expired on me |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | !xchat |
| 23:12.41 | dpkg | somebody said xchat was a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or ask me about irc for some more clients, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 23:12.48 | tarzeau | d4t2iLL4: there's irssi for windows |
| 23:12.58 | abrotman | a trip to #xchat would have told you same thing .. try not to be so lazy |
| 23:13.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: but xchat sucks |
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| 23:13.42 | azeem | tarzeau: many people happily use it |
| 23:13.58 | aquarius | If I compile my own version of a package (apt-get source, patch, debuild, dpkg -i) and it doesn't work, how can I get back to the real Debian version? |
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| 23:14.13 | tarzeau | aquarius: remove yours, and install the debian one? |
| 23:14.20 | azeem | aquarius: apt-get install --reinstall, if you did not bump the version |
| 23:14.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: better than mirc |
| 23:14.43 | aquarius | azeem: ah, I wasn't sure whether --reinstall would go for the version from the apt repos. Excellent; thanks! |
| 23:15.28 | d4t2iLL4 | abrotman, telnet is better than mirc? |
| 23:15.34 | davis | i am big fan of debian and kind of afraid of RedHat. I seem to get fscked by RedHat's user-friendliness apps which dont always do as advertised. But, I need to do some admin work on a new IBM Xseries box and setup raid on it. I have never setup raid before and I am wondering if it would be easier to use Redhat since RedHat AS is advertised as supported on the box. Any advice? |
| 23:15.38 | voltagex | d4t2iLL4: lol |
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| 23:15.56 | d4t2iLL4 | heh |
| 23:16.04 | abrotman | d4t2iLL4: regardless .. that last URL will give you a free-er version of win32 xchat |
| 23:16.21 | voltagex | d4t2iLL4: how complicated is the irc protocol? |
| 23:16.25 | d4t2iLL4 | abrotman thank youuuuuuuuu |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | davis: i have a few netfinities at work with debian .. works just fine |
| 23:16.37 | voltagex | abrotman: I wouldn't mnind the url too, but I can't copy-paste |
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| 23:16.43 | d4t2iLL4 | voltagex, not complicated at all |
| 23:16.46 | abrotman | !tell voltagex about xchat |
| 23:16.53 | davis | abrotman: ok. good deal. |
| 23:17.02 | Kickstart | Yet another dumb question: If I want to create array.each.foobarbaz, which alters the individual outputs of .each, what is the name for what I'm creating? |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | davis: the controller is actually the important part |
| 23:17.17 | abrotman | Kickstart: wrong channel ? |
| 23:17.25 | voltagex | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:17.29 | Kickstart | Yup :( sorry |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:17.51 | davis | abrotman: my buddy said I should use software raid instead of hardware raid. any opinion on that? |
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| 23:18.15 | abrotman | davis: i don't trust software raid .. but many do .. it's a 'faith' decision |
| 23:18.21 | davis | hmm. |
| 23:18.27 | abrotman | davis: but TBH .. if you have hardware raid .. i'd use it |
| 23:18.47 | voltagex | abrotman: does software raid provide the speed boost that hardware raid does? |
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| 23:19.07 | Kickstart | davis: Depends. Because of the variance of methods of doing hardware RAID, and the fact that not every manufacturer follow RFC or specifications properly, software RAID can often be easier when migrating due to a hardware failure. |
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| 23:19.27 | abrotman | voltagex: depends on the CPU .. but ideally yes .. of course .. it always taps the CPU for sw raid .. but with a sufficiently fast machien .. you'll never notice |
| 23:19.44 | Taa5i | Hello. I have been googling for some while trying to find a 2.6 boot floppy for Debian. Does such a thing exist, please? |
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| 23:19.53 | abrotman | Taa5i: CD no good ? |
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| 23:20.03 | Kickstart | davis: and software RAID doesn't have 'wind down' like hardware often does, where it stores enough power to keep the final writes going when the power goes out. |
| 23:20.06 | Taa5i | abrotman: I am trying to install to a laptop with no cd drive. |
| 23:20.19 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 23:20.20 | dpkg | well, sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 |
| 23:20.21 | voltagex | abrotman: I'm just trying to get any speed boost I can for this machine, as it's struggling with digital tv (hdtv to be exact) |
| 23:20.21 | davis | i have an older IBM box with 5 scsi drives in it that I could test install raid on it. It has an adaptec scsi card (not sure of model number) Will it be a problem to setup raid if I have mismatched drives? ie. 2 16GB, 2 34 GB, and 1 8 GB. |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:20.43 | Kickstart | davis: depends on the RAID level. What are you thinking of? |
| 23:20.51 | davis | im thinking of raid 5 |
| 23:20.55 | d4t2iLL4 | Kickstart, solder a coupld of capacitors on to the raid card? |
| 23:20.56 | abrotman | you can do RAID1 on the pairs of drives |
| 23:21.00 | abrotman | but i don't think RAID5 will do that |
| 23:21.00 | Taa5i | abrotman: As best I can tell, those only support 2.4 kernel. |
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| 23:21.23 | abrotman | Taa5i: for sarge right ? |
| 23:21.29 | Kickstart | davis: One sec, I'll find you a link about RAID 5 and why you should never use it and it should die a painful death |
| 23:21.30 | Taa5i | abrotman: That is correct. |
| 23:21.32 | xarragon | Ehm, is there no nvidia-glx-dev packge for testing? |
| 23:21.32 | davis | i was wondering if I could just use 4 drives with 17 GB. |
| 23:21.35 | abrotman | Taa5i: why not use the 2.4 then upgrade? |
| 23:21.42 | davis | kickstart |
| 23:21.48 | davis | ok which raid level do you suggest? |
| 23:21.54 | abrotman | Kickstart: RAID5? |
| 23:21.59 | abrotman | Kickstart: or you mean RAID0 ? |
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| 23:22.04 | Taa5i | abrotman: Wouldn't that leave a bit of cruft and dependency issues in the system? Changing to udev and the like? |
| 23:22.17 | abrotman | Taa5i: you don't have to switch to udev .. |
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| 23:22.35 | abrotman | Taa5i: you can certainly uninstall unused packages after the upgrade |
| 23:22.51 | xarragon | Damn it, I'm tired of testing being broken again, and again and again... |
| 23:23.00 | abrotman | works fine here! |
| 23:23.08 | abrotman | it is called testing :) |
| 23:23.08 | voltagex | xarragon: isn't that the point of testing? |
| 23:23.17 | abrotman | !info nvidia-glx-dev etch |
| 23:23.24 | abrotman | is there even an nvidia-glx ? |
| 23:23.27 | abrotman | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 23:23.34 | Taa5i | abrotman: Thank you, I'll look into that then. |
| 23:23.35 | abrotman | <dpkg> Package 'nvidia-glx' does not exist. |
| 23:23.46 | abrotman | Taa5i: otherwise .. ask #debian-boot if they have a location for them |
| 23:23.48 | xarragon | Oh, I have one... Must be an olde rone |
| 23:24.05 | Taa5i | Aha. I may well do that. |
| 23:24.10 | voltagex | hmmmmmmmmm is a kernel compile meant to take 20min on a 1.8ghz cpu + 1gb ram? |
| 23:24.11 | Kickstart | abrotman: Nope, RAID5...I'm still searching. |
| 23:24.18 | abrotman | Kickstart: RAID5 has parity |
| 23:24.46 | abrotman | voltagex: depends on options |
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| 23:25.00 | d4t2iLL4 | voltagex, it took 20 minutes on a dual core pentium 2.8 |
| 23:25.19 | voltagex | abrotman: I deselected half the options, I swear |
| 23:25.21 | xarragon | So what should I as an end user use in order to NOT have my system FUBAR from time to time, and still have something half-decently new? |
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| 23:25.35 | abrotman | d4t2iLL4: did you use any concurrency options ? |
| 23:25.43 | d4t2iLL4 | no |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | xarragon: don't buy nvidia ? |
| 23:25.51 | abrotman | d4t2iLL4: that would be why it took 20 minutes :) |
| 23:26.00 | voltagex | xarragon: another distro? |
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| 23:26.03 | davis | abrotman: when I setup a system for hw raid, I imagine, I do a normal install on one disk, say for example an 8GB disk. Then I setup RAID on four different disks and mount the volume set as /var/cvs. Right? Is that the professinoal way to do it? |
| 23:26.04 | xarragon | abrotman: And what I'm supposed to buy then? |
| 23:26.20 | abrotman | xarragon: something that doesn't require 3 squirrels and a hamster to get it working |
| 23:26.23 | davis | xarragon: ATI |
| 23:26.32 | xarragon | davis: yeah, right |
| 23:26.38 | voltagex | xarragon: AT(d)I(e) |
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| 23:26.46 | abrotman | davis: the installer should see the RAID logical drive as a single drive |
| 23:27.01 | davis | i have plenty of ATI cards, they all work fine for me. |
| 23:27.08 | abrotman | xarragon: i have intel cards .. work just fine .. but i'm not an avid gamer(not on PC anyways) |
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| 23:27.17 | xarragon | I have no problem whatsoever with my card, it's debian that keeps messing up. I mean, why don't use fallback versions instead of just REMOVING the packages? |
| 23:27.24 | davis | abrotman: so the debian installer will see the RAID array? |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | xarragon: because it keeps getting new versions of X .. and you have to recompile nvidia EVERY time |
| 23:27.46 | abrotman | davis: right .. it sees it like a normal drive .. but it's RAID |
| 23:27.51 | voltagex | xarragon: I feel your pain, I went back to stable because I don't have time to fiddle with it |
| 23:27.53 | abrotman | Kickstart: find it yet? :) |
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| 23:28.05 | Kickstart | still searching |
| 23:28.11 | davis | abrotman: you I do the raid setup in the adaptec controller bios? |
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| 23:28.18 | abrotman | davis: yep |
| 23:28.22 | xarragon | voltagex: I ran unstable for a while, that was one big mistake. |
| 23:28.23 | abrotman | Kickstart: it just doesn't exist! :) |
| 23:28.26 | davis | ok. |
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| 23:28.47 | xarragon | Okay, I'll just shove in the unstable nvidia packages then... |
| 23:29.00 | voltagex | xarragon: I ran it for a while, no problems and the boom, it decided to remove half the packages on the system |
| 23:29.02 | Dat | ahh very nice |
| 23:29.07 | Kickstart | Well, it does, but I can't find it yet. Here's a couple links regarding some of the problems, though not as clear as the page I want: |
| 23:29.12 | Serinity | Hi everyone, i just got a new laptop and i have a LOT of issues installing debian, i defintly need help. To start with for example, i tried compiled a new kernel to try to have the last drivers and such, it works but the mouse is not detected anymore but what i don't understand is: i copied the configuration of the kernel distributed with debian with which the mouse works (a synaptic pad)... any idea please ? |
| 23:29.18 | Kickstart | http://dba.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=5ca1cbcf2047d850c89a60991ea934da&showtopic=3831&pid=14976&st=0&#entry14976 |
| 23:29.22 | voltagex | when was the apt-get fubar all option added? |
| 23:29.35 | davis | abrotman: Kickstart the reason I picked raid5 was that it seemed like a simple reliability mechanism. I was told you shalt use raid. I got to pick which version I would use. |
| 23:29.35 | xarragon | I'd just wish for a version between stable and testing, so the packages aren't year-old... |
| 23:29.35 | Kickstart | http://archives.postgresql.org/sfpug/2006-01/msg00048.php |
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| 23:29.52 | xarragon | voltagex: Yeah, I know, all of a sudden I had no X11- |
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| 23:30.08 | davis | Serinity: did you do a make oldconfig? |
| 23:30.08 | voltagex | xarragon: I was trying to install kde, so it removed X... |
| 23:30.12 | xarragon | I kinda get why people run Ubuntu... |
| 23:30.17 | bernd | hi, is there a way to find out wich processe need much memory (ram)? |
| 23:30.25 | benz | hello, i have a little problem with snort when i try to create the mysql database.. can someone help me ? output of error at http://pastebin.com/680051 |
| 23:30.29 | Serinity | davis, no, make menuconfig |
| 23:30.29 | voltagex | xarragon: I don't like Ubuntu for no particular reason |
| 23:30.32 | abrotman | Kickstart: that's not helpful |
| 23:30.44 | peppet | Serinity: have you tried unstable? |
| 23:30.46 | davis | abrotman: Kickstart nice talking to you but I have to go home for the evening. thanks a bunch. |
| 23:30.48 | Kickstart | Hey, be nice. I'm trying to help here. |
| 23:30.53 | nickt | hello, can I use a mail client like kmail to report bugs? I can't understand how to add things like the X-Debbugs-CC headers? |
| 23:31.02 | davis | Serinity: try make oldconfig before make menuconfig maybe. |
| 23:31.09 | xarragon | voltagex: Same here, I plain don't like it, and don't use any fluff... And many applications in it's universe repository is broken. |
| 23:31.11 | abrotman | Kickstart: that's more a DB problem .. and a product of how RAID works in general .. any striped medium would exhibit that problem |
| 23:31.12 | xarragon | are* |
| 23:31.16 | Serinity | davis, I'll try, thanks |
| 23:31.29 | abrotman | Kickstart: that includes RAID0 and 0+1 etc |
| 23:31.30 | xarragon | voltagex: So how does stable work for desktop? |
| 23:31.33 | Serinity | peppet, for now, i want to get it working with sarge |
| 23:31.45 | Serinity | then, i might move to etch but never unstable |
| 23:31.46 | xarragon | I use stable on two servers, works like a charm |
| 23:31.48 | abrotman | nickt: check bugs.debian.org on how to report a bug .. or use reportbug |
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| 23:31.57 | voltagex | xarragon: for what I do, fine, but I only boot linux when I get sick of windblows. |
| 23:32.25 | voltagex | brb time for a reboot, new kernel |
| 23:32.50 | bernd | is there no way to check why i have no free mem ? |
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| 23:33.00 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 23:33.01 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 23:33.05 | xarragon | I DID run sarge for a while on my desktop... I do play some Enemy territory from time to time thou, and fiddles with the gcc4-compiler... |
| 23:33.07 | Serinity | davis, What make oldconfig does exactly ? |
| 23:33.22 | abrotman | Kickstart: interesting thing to note about databases though |
| 23:33.39 | Kickstart | here's a better link: http://www.dbtalk.net/comp-databases-informix/semi-annual-noraid5-rant-37306.html |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | Kickstart: though .. you shouldn't have your logs on RAID5 anyways |
| 23:34.02 | CrazyFoam | hello. i'm getting a missing symbol in libc in amd64 d-i (testing and daily), getnameinfo, netcfg fails, is this a known problem? |
| 23:34.06 | xarragon | What I don't get is why packages are just removed from testing... Why, do they use the same method if something is broken in stable? |
| 23:34.32 | xarragon | Is pinning a viable alternative? |
| 23:34.32 | abrotman | stable shouldn't break like that |
| 23:34.40 | Kickstart | AH HA! http://www.baarf.com/ |
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| 23:34.53 | peppet | Serinity: oldconfig force you select for any unselected option |
| 23:34.56 | abrotman | Kickstart: that second link is wrong .. RAID5 does NOT use a single drive for parity |
| 23:35.11 | nickt | abrotman, did that. But I can't understand how to put that X-Debbugs-CC into the kmail header. Or is that not possible? |
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| 23:35.15 | Serinity | peppet, it selects everything / |
| 23:35.15 | bernd | abrotman, yes i know this thanks, but i want to know which prozesse are the killers on my system :) |
| 23:35.28 | abrotman | bernd: run top .. sort by memory usage ? |
| 23:35.33 | xarragon | What I don't get is why they insert a new version of package X into testing, if some of its dependencies are unmet? |
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| 23:36.03 | xarragon | The logical approach was to exclude package X, and only insert after all dependencies are met? |
| 23:36.20 | xarragon | Until then, the older version should be used. |
| 23:36.30 | xarragon | Any reason why that is not the case? |
| 23:36.33 | bernd | abrotman, only apache but is this load normal? : Mem: 1036512k total, 947520k used, 88992k free, 36704k buffers |
| 23:36.47 | abrotman | bernd: depends |
| 23:36.56 | xarragon | Okay, bitching aside... Is there any way to "downgrade" to older packages? |
| 23:37.05 | abrotman | Kickstart: it's hard to believe the rant against RAID5 when the guy doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 23:37.10 | Kickstart | where does it say that? |
| 23:37.35 | gravity | xarragon: What package got in to testing without its dependencies being satisfied? |
| 23:37.35 | Kickstart | Of course RAID5 doesn't use a single parity drive. |
| 23:37.35 | abrotman | Kickstart: first sentence .. he's actually talking about RAID4 WRT the single drive for parity |
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| 23:37.51 | abrotman | Kickstart: that's what he said .. i'm repeating his false statement |
| 23:38.02 | Kickstart | maybe we're looking at two different links. The BAARF is the one I wanted to show you. |
| 23:38.05 | abrotman | Kickstart: oh wait .. i think i mesread |
| 23:38.07 | abrotman | misread |
| 23:38.17 | bernd | abrotman, sad my server goes under and i dont know why |
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| 23:38.30 | xarragon | gravity: Well, none of the nvidia stuff is available (glx/glx-dev). |
| 23:38.34 | abrotman | bernd: you have 1GB of ram .. and it's only running apache? |
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| 23:38.43 | LunarC | is there a way to hold all packages in aptitude (like the : command, but for all packages) |
| 23:38.46 | gravity | xarragon: So? |
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| 23:39.01 | gravity | xarragon: I don't understand what that has to do with your complaint |
| 23:39.13 | xarragon | gravity: meaning that if i performed an update now, I'd get no X11... |
| 23:39.18 | bernd | abrotman, webserver (apache2,mysql and this confixx) |
| 23:39.27 | xarragon | Unless I fell back to free nv driver. |
| 23:39.28 | abrotman | bernd: and you can't figure it out? |
| 23:39.38 | abrotman | Kickstart: i apologize .. i misread .. but his argument is still fishy |
| 23:39.42 | bernd | abrotman, not really dont find problems |
| 23:39.43 | gravity | xarragon: What does that have to do with packages reaching testing without their dependencies being satisfied? |
| 23:40.05 | abrotman | bernd: ps aux | wc -l |
| 23:40.12 | xarragon | gravity: Nothing, my mistake. X11 doesn't have a dependency on nvidia-packages per se. |
| 23:40.18 | gravity | xarragon: Nor should it |
| 23:40.27 | gravity | It's the other way around |
| 23:40.29 | Kickstart | abrotman: no worries...I'd ignore all those previous in favour of the last two I sent. |
| 23:40.35 | bernd | abrotman, 69 |
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| 23:40.41 | abrotman | Kickstart: and the previous argument about seeking WRT databases would be still be a factor with RAID10 |
| 23:40.49 | abrotman | bernd: holy poo .. that's like .. nothing |
| 23:40.59 | xarragon | However, I'd want the packaging system to recoqnise the fact that I need nvidia drivers in order to run my system, and not upgrade unless those drivers are available. |
| 23:41.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Let's break up somebody! |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: we failed! |
| 23:41.14 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: We suck! |
| 23:41.30 | Chigvan | anyone one used UnRar sucessfully? I've extracted the tar.gz file its sitting in its own folder and now no idea what to do, theres no make or configure files, not a lot on google either |
| 23:41.32 | gravity | xarragon: That's a good idea. I recommend writing a patch for apt |
| 23:41.41 | gravity | xarragon: It's a very good idea actually |
| 23:41.55 | bernd | abrotman, i used confixx first time maybe this sucks |
| 23:42.01 | xarragon | call it "local/soft dependencies" or whatever |
| 23:42.04 | abrotman | Kickstart: RAID10 is quite a disk hog .. and if the same drive in each RAID0 were to fail .. all the data will be gone |
| 23:42.09 | gravity | get coding |
| 23:42.30 | xarragon | i'm busy coding something else right now... |
| 23:42.31 | Kickstart | abrotman: yep. FWIW, I don't use those either. |
| 23:42.44 | abrotman | Kickstart: you're strictly RAID2 eh ? :) |
| 23:42.52 | Kickstart | abrotman: Heh. |
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| 23:43.10 | xarragon | And more framework would be needed, it would have to be able to acertain what fallback packages could be used etc. |
| 23:43.45 | Kickstart | abrotman: actually, everything I have right now is RAID1. And I manage some pretty much and vital dbs |
| 23:43.48 | xarragon | Hence, the first requirement that must be implemented is the ability to install OLDER packages. Does that ability currently exist in apt? |
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| 23:44.05 | xarragon | Anyone? |
| 23:44.15 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i'm not cleaning! |
| 23:44.26 | abrotman | Kickstart: good way to go .. especially for lots of reads |
| 23:44.29 | LordNazgul | hey guys im in kind of a wierd situations here, ive got an old rar file that I no longer have the password to (I forgot it :s ) does anyone know of a way to get into it? |
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| 23:45.01 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 23:45.03 | bernd | abrotman, can "spamd" use lot memory ? |
| 23:45.04 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I'm not cooking! |
| 23:45.05 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: cook for me! |
| 23:45.05 | ming | i am trying to fix get my sound card detected. when i type in alsamixer in console, i get "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 23:45.09 | ming | can some one help me? |
| 23:45.10 | abrotman | bernd: yes .. lots |
| 23:45.25 | bernd | fucking spamers :) |
| 23:45.37 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You get girl bits and I'll cook. Deal? |
| 23:45.54 | Kickstart | abrotman: Yep, and we're about 98% reads during my last check. |
| 23:45.56 | xarragon | Has anyone tried running stable with some packages from testing? |
| 23:46.11 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: that's not nice |
| 23:46.15 | abrotman | Kickstart: ah .. that's good then |
| 23:46.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Did I ever tell you I was nice? |
| 23:46.42 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i had a sneaking suspicion |
| 23:46.42 | Kickstart | I better run. Pregnant wife is waiting for me. |
| 23:46.51 | Kickstart | cya |
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| 23:46.57 | abrotman | Kickstart: don't tell her about array.element! |
| 23:47.07 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: :) |
| 23:47.08 | Chigvan | LordNazgul, according to this man page it can use switch (-p- Do not query password), but I havent even been able to unrar any files yet, any idea how i can do it? |
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| 23:47.23 | Kickstart | abrotman: heh |
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| 23:47.25 | bernd | good night |
| 23:47.29 | benz | hello, i have a little problem with snort when i try to create the mysql database.. can someone help me ? output of error at http://pastebin.com/680051 |
| 23:47.29 | bernd | abrotman, thank you |
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| 23:47.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: HAHA. You're productive! Bitch. |
| 23:48.08 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: don't tell kingsley |
| 23:48.13 | xarragon | I'm kinda disappointed by debian... If you wan't something decently new you'll have to do ALOT of shit manually, I might as well be running slackware and compile the crap myself... |
| 23:48.21 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: My lips are sealed. Now clean. |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: COOK! |
| 23:48.33 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: CLEAN! |
| 23:48.43 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: And make me BEER! |
| 23:48.43 | abrotman | xarragon: or not buy nvidia :) |
| 23:48.53 | unstable | !beer scarynetworkguy |
| 23:49.00 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: one Coor's coming up! |
| 23:49.12 | ming | i am trying to get sound working, i believe that my sound card is not detected. Can someone please help me? |
| 23:49.15 | xarragon | abrotman: Bah, that is not the issue, I've had alot of other packages shitting themself in testing. |
| 23:49.27 | unstable | ming: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils; alsaconf; |
| 23:49.38 | abrotman | xarragon: i'll have to take your word for it .. my testing has been running pretty darn well |
| 23:49.41 | unstable | ming: Then as non-root type "alsamixer" and turn up all levels.(you might need to reboot) |
| 23:49.51 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: ow! |
| 23:50.10 | ming | unstable: thank you, i will go try that now |
| 23:50.11 | xarragon | The other day the XQF package was missing. |
| 23:50.16 | abrotman | the who? |
| 23:50.18 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: They deport you from the NW for even saying that word. :P |
| 23:50.24 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: ow? |
| 23:50.26 | abrotman | or coors? |
| 23:50.38 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: The c word |
| 23:50.44 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:51.13 | Chigvan | How do I extract rar archive files with unrar, anyone? |
| 23:51.36 | azeem | Chigvan: did you read the documentation? |
| 23:51.59 | xarragon | Take the xqf packe for example. The new version was "segfaulting on startup", so the package was removed. Hence, tetsing users had no xqf anymore. Why the heck couldn't they fall back onto the PREVIOUS package? |
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| 23:52.30 | xarragon | And we are back at the same question. Why isn't it possble to DOWNGRADE packages using apt? |
| 23:52.48 | marco13185 | xarragon, possible dependency hell |
| 23:52.52 | Chigvan | azeem, theres abosilutely nothing in the readme file on install instructions, just info about the package relase and stuff |
| 23:53.06 | gravity | xarragon: The maintainer is free to roll back the package in the archive to the previous version |
| 23:53.09 | azeem | Chigvan: is there a manpage? |
| 23:53.14 | peppet | Chigvan: type unrar[enter] |
| 23:53.33 | gravity | xarragon: The archive isn't set up to handle falling back to the previous version, because it's a hideously complex process in some cases |
| 23:53.37 | petemc | xarragon: packages depend on other packages, most often certain versions of other packages - if it was possible to downgrade, dont you think someone would have added that feature? |
| 23:53.37 | unstable | !tell Chigvan about non-free |
| 23:53.58 | unstable | Chigvan: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add "non-free and contrib" to each line. |
| 23:54.06 | unstable | Chigvan: then "apt-get update && apt-get -y install unrar" |
| 23:54.13 | unstable | Chigvan: unrar e file.rar . |
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| 23:54.26 | xarragon | petemc: Well, right now I want to downgrade the whole system to stable, from testing. Is that possible without a reinstall? |
| 23:54.37 | petemc | xarragon: probably not |
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| 23:54.49 | peppet | unstable: better unrar x |
| 23:54.51 | xarragon | And there you go... |
| 23:54.55 | petemc | peppet: why? |
| 23:55.02 | marco13185 | xarragon, that can cause a lot of problems |
| 23:55.09 | xarragon | Why? |
| 23:55.11 | Chigvan | unstable, thanks I'll try that |
| 23:55.13 | marco13185 | what if some config files aren't compatible with older versions |
| 23:55.33 | xarragon | Just discard all packages, and schedule replacement of kernel, just as during a normal install. |
| 23:55.40 | peppet | petemc: so directory tree is recreated |
| 23:55.46 | gravity | xarragon: How about library versioning incompatibilities? |
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| 23:55.56 | marco13185 | xarragon, that's almost the SAME as reinstalling |
| 23:56.02 | marco13185 | you just keep your personal files |
| 23:56.08 | marco13185 | which you can just copy over after a reinstall |
| 23:56.24 | petemc | peppet: ah, like docu~\Administrator\Pr0n\.... ? |
| 23:56.33 | xarragon | Yes, but it is a pain in the arse on my laptop, which has no cd drive. |
| 23:56.51 | marco13185 | xarragon, well, network boot |
| 23:57.00 | peppet | petemc: yes, like tar xf ;) |
| 23:57.16 | petemc | peppet: unrar e is a safer bet in almost all circumstances |
| 23:57.22 | marco13185 | xarragon, if you don't mind me asking, why the hell would you want to downgrade to stable, stable is VERY outdated |
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| 23:58.16 | petemc | marco13185: not everyone needs new software, and for me, and a lot of other poeple, the reliability of stable is far more important than having the newest sw |
| 23:58.22 | ming | unstable: thank you so much! i have been trying to fix this sound problem for days but no one had been pro enough to help me out until you |
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| 23:58.35 | marco13185 | petemc, ya, good point. |
| 23:58.36 | xarragon | marco13185: BECAUSE STABLE KEEPS BREAKING |
| 23:58.42 | xarragon | Sorry, damn |
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| 23:59.11 | xarragon | I mean 'testing', and I shouldn't have shouted. Sorry. |
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